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Good evening. This was Horn Sound City Council. Today's date

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is July 27th, 2026. We are calling the meeting to

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order at 530 Council. Are any additional business items? Councillor

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Farmer. I'll have two items of additional business, one about

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bandit fest, which took place downtown, and one about the

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poverty task forces municipal candidate, education series in September. Council

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Merton. Through you, I have one item. It's a media

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release today on household food insecurity from the southwestern Ontario

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Public Health Units, and they're called to action. Anyone else

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seen them that way, seeing them that way, I will

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have one matter concerning George in college that I'll bring

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up an additional business. Declarations of interest. Nobody

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else. I have a declaration of interest by law 2026

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- 098. It is item 21J, and the agenda declared

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direct pecuniary interest and declare a disqualifying interest. I have

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acted for the property owner at my law practice that's

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involved in that. Thank John, you've got the

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minutes. So confirmation of Councilman's. Moved by myself seconded by

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Deputy Mayor Greg that the minutes of the following meetings

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be adopted as printed. Number one, the closed session of

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the regular Council meeting held on May 25, 2026. And

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number two, the regular council meeting held on July 13,

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2026. Great, thank you. All in favor. And that is

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carried number five motion to move council into Committee the

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whole. Moved by myself, seconded by Deputy Mayor Greg, that

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City Council now move into Committee of the Whole to

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consider public meetings, deputations and presentations, public forum, matters arising

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from correspondence, reports of city staff, the consent agenda, Committee

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minutes, matters postponed, motions for which notion. Notice was previously

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given and additional business. Good, thank you. In all in

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favor. That has carried, so we are now in the

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Committee of the Hall. Number six, we have one public

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meeting. At 6A, which is its owning bylaw amendment number

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59, part one, plan 16R - 12308. And that's probably

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the address. And 38 - 6 Avenue west. So if

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you're here for the public meeting, thank you for attending

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tonight's public meeting. The purpose of this meeting is to

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receive input from the public, respecting the proposed amendment to

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the zoning bylaw as per Section 34. The planning act.

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In a few moments, the manager of planning and Heritage

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will present background information regarding the requested amendment. Boeing the

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presentation, we will hear from the applicant. And then we

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will open the floor for comments, questions, and feedback from

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the public. Every person who attends a statutory public meeting

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required under the Planning Act will be given an opportunity

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to make Representations respecting the proposed bylaw. All submission materials

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for this application are available at the City's website or

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at the Planning Division Counter at City Hall during regular

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business hours. Appeal rights on a zoning by - law

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amendment application are limited to the Applicant Public Bodies and

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specified persons who made oral or written submissions to on

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Sound City Council prior to the decision being made. Specific

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persons generally include energy, railway and telecommunications providers. This meeting

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is an essential part of the decision - making process,

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feedback received will be considered in the decision of Onsen

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City Council, an explanation of how the public and agency

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comments factored into the decision will be included in the

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notice of passing the bylaw. Where it changes made in

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a proposed by - law after the holding of the

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public meeting, council will determine whether any further notices to

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be given respecting the proposed by - law, and the

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determination of council as to the giving of further notices,

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final, not subject to review in any court, no matter

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the extent of the change made and the proposed bylaw.

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So with that, I think I had it over to

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Ms. Bloomfield. Thank you. Three - year worship notice of

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this public meeting was circulated to the prescribed persons and

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bodies sent by mail to the assessed owners within 120

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metres of the subject properties and posted on the City's

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website and the subject properties on July 2nd. All comments

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received in advance of the agenda publishing deadline were attached

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to the agenda. No one registered to attend the meeting

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electronically. For anyone here for the public meeting, please sign

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the sign - in - sheet located on the table

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just outside of Council Chambers. Personal information collected at this

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public meeting is collected under the authority of the Planning

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Act and the information collected will be used to complete

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the zoning by - amendment process, and will form part

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of the public record. Questions about this collection should be

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addressed to myself, the City Clerk. If we wish to

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be notified of the decision of the Corporation of the

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City of Own Sound on the proposed zoning by -

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law amendment application, you must make a written request to

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the City of Owen Sound Care of the City Clerk.

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Good, thank you. Now we will receive the presentation from

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the manager Planning and Heritage.

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Thank you, and through chair. Thank you, good evening members

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of Council, staff, and members of the public. We are

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here this evening to hold the public meeting to gain

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input regarding Soning bylaw amendment number 59, which proposes to

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permit a semi - detached dwelling on lands municipally known

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as 1038 - 6th Avenue West and lands legally described

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as part one, plan 16 - R - 123 -

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08. The applicant buries construction and insulation limited is in

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attendance this evening. The land subject to the requested zoning

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by two separate properties located just off the intersection of

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10th Street West and 6th Avenue West. The first property

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is municipally known as 1038 - 6 Avenue West, the

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other property does not yet have a municipal address assigned.

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Howard is legally described as part one of Plan 16R

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- 1 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 8.

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I'll refer to this property as part one for the

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sake of Expediency going forward. The part one was severed

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from the adjacent property to the south, municipally known as

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10 - 10 - 6th Avenue West in 2025. An

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aerial photo of the septic land is shown on the

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slide before you. The lands municipally known as 1038 have

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approximately 26 metres of frontage along 6th Avenue West, 20.

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3 metres of lot depth and 558 square metres of

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lot area, and currently contain an existing single - detached

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dwelling fronting and gaining vehicle access VS6th Avenue west. The

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lands legally described as part one, half - 12 metres

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of frontage along 6th Avenue West, 20. 6 metres of

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locked depth and 249 square metres of lot area, and

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are currently vacant. These lands abut an existing single -

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de - touched welling with an accessory residential unit to

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the west on land's municipally known as 10 - 10

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- 6th Avenue West, and as noted earlier, we're severed

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from those lands in 2025. Surrounding land uses to the

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subject lands include to the north and unopened city lane,

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residential uses along 6th - Aft West, and 11th Street

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West. To the east, residential uses on the east side

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of 6th Avenue West and along 10th Street - A

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- West, as well as hazard lands associated with a

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slope. To the south, commercial and institutional uses existing on

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10th Street West and residential uses along 6th Avenue West

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South of 10th Street. To the west, commercial uses existing

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on the north side of 10th Street West. The subject

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lens are designated West City Commercial under the city's 2021

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official plan, as well as the Cities 2026 official plan

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update, which was adopted by council on April 13th, but

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it's not yet enforced and effect. Medium - density forms

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of housing are among those uses permitted within the West

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City Commercial Designation. And this does not change between the

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21 and 26 official plan. The lands were sown retail

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commercial C2 by the City's Sounding Bylaw 2010 - 078,

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which is currently enforced and effect, as well as the

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2026 zoning by - update through SAB - BA57, which

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is yet not yet in force and effect. The purpose

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of, or so there are the applicant disproposing to develop

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the lands for semi - detached dwelling. And the reason

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for the zoning by allument is that a semi -

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detached dwelling is not a permitted use in the retail

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commercial C - 2 zone. As part of the development

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process, the applicant will submit consent applications to sever 1038

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- 6 Avenue west into two parcels. The effect of

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the application is to apply site - specific zoning provisions

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to the lands to permit the use of a semi

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- detached dwelling in the C - 2 zone and

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provide site - specific site in building regulations with respect

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to law - area. Lot coverage, and front - end

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rear setbacks. The City Sounding Bylock does not provide sight

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in building regulations for semi - detached dwelling in the

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C - 2 - zone as it is not a

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permitted use. Planning staff have evaluated the proposal using the

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general residential R5 Stone provisions for a semi - detached

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dwelling under the 2010 zoning by - law, and the

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medium density residential R2 - zone provisions under the updated

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zoning bottle. The requested site - specific zone provision for

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a lot area, law - coverage, frontage, or sorry, front

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and rear set - back for the proposed semi -

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detached dwelling, as shown on the slide. As noted, 1038

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- 67U West contains an existing single - detached dwelling,

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which is proposed to be located on the Retained Block

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as part of the future consent application. The requested zoning

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by lymphondment will also permit the existing single detached dwelling

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within the C2 zone and provide site - specific zoning

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provisions for law - area and fund yards at banks.

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The applicant has submitted a fully dimensioned site plan in

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support of the requested Soling by - lamentment and excerpt

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of which is shown on the slide. Outlined in red

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and green are the proposed semi - detached dwelling lots.

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A lot edition is also proposed highlighted in yellow that

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will sever approximately 0. 88 metres from the Lance Legally

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Described as Part 1 and convey it to the proposed

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severed parcel so that each of the semi - detached

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lots has approximately 11 metres of frontage on 6th Avenue

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West and 230 square metres of lot area. The proposed

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retained block containing the existing single - detached dwelling at

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1038 is outlined in pain at the top. The applicant

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tests submitted a complete rezoning application with the required supporting

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plants and studies as listed here. These items are all

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available for Review on the City's website under Active Planning

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Applications. The process completed thus far as it relates to

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the requested zoning by - amendment is summarized on the

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slide before you. Notice of complete application in public meeting

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were given together by posting a sign on the subject

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property and by mailing to land owners within 120 metres

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of the property on July 2nd. The technical report included

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in tonight's agenda is intended to describe the proposed zoning

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by oilment and outlines the key policy considerations of the

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provincial planning statement and the county and city official plans

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relevant to the evaluation of the application. Staff will take

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the public agency and staff Commons receive through the process

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and review them in the policy context and the recommendation

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report, which is expected to come before council on September

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14th. Thank you. Good, thank you very much. And next

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we'll have a presentation from Mr. Crucible Brink of Barry's

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Construction and Installation Limited. Thank you

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Mr. Mayor Council members and staff. My name's Barry Crystal

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Brink, various construction. I'm here, I'm totally in support of

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this. What staff has written up planners. And I'm here

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basically to answer any questions if anything comes up. That's

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about it. Thank you. So next we have comments from

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the public. So if you are here to speak to

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this, we ask you to state your name and the

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municipality in which you reside and state your comments. Not

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seeing anybody going to the microphone. No one wishes to

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speak to this. This is your opportunity. Okay. So with

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that, given that no one from the public is speaking,

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then I will declare the public meeting closed and continue

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with the meeting. Thank you, Sabine. Thank you Mr. Caruso

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Brecken. Next in our agenda at number 7A, we have

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a deputation from Annette Peddler Executive Director of Safe and

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Sound with regard to neighbourhood response team pilot project.

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Thank you so much for having me tonight. As was

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said, my name's Annette Pedler. I'm the proud Executive Director

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of Safe and Sound. I've been in that role for

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about three years now, and I'm here today to give

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a report on the Neighbourhood Response Team. So, um, I'm

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also joining me today as Karen Wheeler. Karen was one

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of the staff, um, and a part of the neighbourhood

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response team. Um, and so she's going to share a

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bit about her experience working on the team as well.

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Um, and so as you all are aware, it's kind

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of a two - part deputation. So the first one

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is going to strictly a bit be about the neighbourhood

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response team, and then we'll move on to, uh, further

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matters later. But hopefully we can address any questions about

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the NRT specifically within this time allotment. Um, the purpose

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of our delegation today is to really let you all

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know how it went and also to seek a letter

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of support for an upcoming grant that we're doing to

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the trillion foundation to have this project funded moving forward.

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So the team, and I'll also give a shout out

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to Kurt, who's in attendance today. So he's, uh, he

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was also on the team. So thanks for his support.

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But I'll let Karen share now about her experience. Good

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afternoon Mayor, members of council and members of our community.

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My name is Karen, and I had the privilege of

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serving as one of the four outreach workers of the

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Owen Sound's neighbourhood response team. Before I begin, I would

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like to ask everyone to take a moment to look

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around the room. Stats Canada tells us that one of

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every five people in this room struggle with substance use

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disorder throughout their lifetime. By age 40, one in two

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Canadians will have experienced or are currently experienced a mental

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illness. Mental illness and substance use disorders are among the

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leading cause of disability in Canada. Those aren't just a

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statistics. They represent people. They represent our neighbours, coworkers, friends,

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parents, children, and loved ones. They represent people in every

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neighbourhood everywhere, race, and every family. When I joined the

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neighbourhood response team, I quickly realised that the people we

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encountered downtown were only a visible part of a much

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larger issue. Behind every person experiencing homelessness, addiction, or mental

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health illness, was a story of trauma, grief, illness, or

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circumstances that could happen to any one of us. These

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challenges do not discriminate. One thing became very clear, we

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cannot solve these issues by simply asking people to move

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along. I want to recognise the important work Ray County

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has done to expand housing and support surfaces. Those investments

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are essential, but housing and services alone are not enough

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if people cannot access them. This is where the neighbourhood

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response team made a difference. Our role was to meet

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people where they were, both physically and emotionally. We built

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trust with individuals who often had little or no connection

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to traditional services. Once that trust was established, we helped

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connect people to health care, housing, identification, income supports, addiction

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treatment, mental health services, and other community resources. We walked

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alongside of people as they navigated complex systems, always treating

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them with dignity, respect, and compassion. Our work also included

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many practical tasks that often went unnoticed but had a

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real impact in our community. We returned banned and shopping

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carts to local businesses helped people safely dispose of belongings

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that had become unsafe or at my unmanageable and made

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every effort to return lost property of the rifle owners.

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These may seem like small actions, but they improve the

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appearance of her downtown strength and relationships with local businesses

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and help preserve the dignity of the people we served.

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The neighbourhood response team was never just about helping individuals.

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It was about making our entire community healthier and safer.

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The neighbourhood, sorry, by intervening early, we helped reduce unnecessary

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emergency room visits, EMS calls and police interactions. We often

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prevented situations from escalating into crisis, reducing pressure on the

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emergency services. Why creating a safer public space for residents,

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businesses, visitors, and the vulnerable individuals alike. Outreach is not

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simply compassion. It is practical. It's a proactive evidence -

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based and cost - effective. It connects people with support

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before they reach a crisis, reducing the need for more

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expensive emergency interventions later. I know this work matters because

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I've witnessed its impact first hand. I've seen people reconnect

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with health care, obtain identification, secure housing, begin addiction treatment,

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and rebuild relationships with family and community. These successes really

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verily make headlines, but they change lies. And every one

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of these successes represent someone moving from crisis towards stability.

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Supporting outreach is not simply an investment in social services.

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It's an investment in public safety, community well - being,

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and fiscal responsibility. It reflects a commitment to addressing complex

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challenges without thoughtful, effective solutions rather than temporary fixes. I

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respectfully ask counsel to support the neighbourhood response team. Outreach

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is not an optional service. It's a vital part of

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coordinated response to homelessness, addiction, mental illness, and poverty. It

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strengthens our community while improving outcomes for everyone who calls

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Own Sound Home. Thank you for your time, your leadership

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and your continued commitments to the people of Own Sound.

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Before I pass things over to Annette, I'd like to

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leave you with one final thought. You're obvious is someone

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else's impossible. For many of us, making a phone call

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filling out a form or attending an appointment, or asking

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for help seem simple. For someone living with trauma, mental

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illness, addiction, or homelessness, these tasks can feel impossible. Sometimes

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the difference between remaining and crisis and taking the first

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step toward recovery is simply having someone willing to walk

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beside you. That is what, the neighbourhood response did every

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day. Thank you. Thank you, Karen. That was awesome. So,

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um, as is, you can see up on the board

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here. So, um, the neighbourhood response team, um, they were

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available as a public service, a publicly through publicly available

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phone number, excuse me, from the, during the pilot period,

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which was from November 1st until the end of March.

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Um, the target area was really in the river district

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plus, um, and so the majority of, um, the calls

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were in the river district, but then we also, um,

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extended it to include some other partners. Um, like Moe

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Kwadong to be in the catchment, uh, area as well.

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Um, in that time, there was over 2, 000 direct

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supports given to individuals on the streets. And as Karen

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said, um, this was a huge wide range, as you

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can see here about the different supports in which people,

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uh, received. Um, and the different, uh, different hands that

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were, that were offered. Um, because of time I might

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not read through this Community Feedback, but within the report

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that was submitted as additional, um, materials, uh, read some

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of the feedback from different local businesses, uh, the businesses

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were very supportive and happy of this service. The reality

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is, is that we need somewhere else for people to

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call. Um, our emergency services are under a great deal

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of strain. And it's a significantly financially costly endeavour to

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call the police every time somebody is on a bench

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crying. Every time somebody is sleeping in a doorway, uh,

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every time somebody's knocked over a garbage can, these kinds

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of things that we can have a community driven solution

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rather than bringing the police in is something that we

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need to figure out how to integrate as a part

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of our everyday community, um, we need a police doing

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police matters. And those matters are simply not criminal matters.

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So for this past pilot project, we received 152, 000

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dollars. Uh, for the program moving forward for a full

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year, um, is just under 300, 000 dollars. And again,

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when we look at that, the cost of that, uh,

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in relation to the other kind of numbers that you

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can currently call for somebody who will come and assist

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you, um, business owners and community members, they need support

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right then in the moment. They need a number they

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can call and they need somebody who can come and

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help. And that's what the NRT is trying to address

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within the community. So as I mentioned, um, the Ethilium

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grant is our next step. And I think that it's

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important to recognise that the city could have a role

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in funding this in the future. Um, but today's ask

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is for support, a letter of support for that trillium

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grant. Um, I also kind of want people to start

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to think about like people walking around to downtown with

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vests supporting people. That's of many different names. That's also

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a support of tourism. Um, that's also a support of

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many things. And so I think that if we look

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at the future, we hope to have, um, other partners

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come on board because this is not just supporting homelessness.

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This is supporting our community in a lot of different,

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um, ways. So I know I've not left a lot

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of time for questions, but if it's a quick one.

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I think we can break the time with questions. Councillor

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Merton. Through you Mayor, I would like to make a

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motion that we send a letter of support along to

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assist for a Chillian Grant application for this project.

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Just before I recognise that motion, are there any other

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questions? I'm just thinking about order. For Annette on this

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issue. Go ahead. Thank you through the mayor. I want

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to highlight that this is exactly the kind of upstream

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and non - emergency service response that the Community Safety

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and Wellbeingwork identifies as being more effective, better for people

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and more cost effective. And like we heard, let's police

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do police things. And. I'm curious to, the duration of

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this pilot was through a really brutal winter. And the

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report that accompanied as additional information spoke to the physical

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health impacts of having people without sufficient footwear outside and

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wet all of the time. Um, I was hoping to

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just maybe hear some more information about what that large

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number of wellness and health related interactions. Might look like

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in the context of it's really cold and people don't

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have necessarily what they need.

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Through you, um, Mayor, thanks John for your question. Yeah,

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I think that the best people to ask that question

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too is really the emergency room because that's where we're

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seeing that play out. Um, and the impact is having

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a terrible impact on our wait times when we go

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up to the hospital. It's having, um, it's disabling because

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we had somebody this winter lose both of his legs.

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Um, and so there's a cost to that, that the

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community needs to carry forward in a much longer term.

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Um, homelessness is really violent for people. It's violent to

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their bodies to be outside. Um, and that violence does

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carry physical manifestations and certainly, um, the loss of fingers,

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limbs, toes. That's something that, uh, many of the people

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here, uh, in support of this project tonight, uh, need

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to deal with on a daily basis. Um, and it's

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a burdening lot of different systems around us. And we

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need to have more socks for people and dry boots

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for people. Um, the first winter that, uh, before Safe

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and Son was open overnight, uh, there was a gentleman

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who was hospitalized for six weeks with frostbite on his

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hands. It cost our community more to have that gentleman

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be in the hospital for the six weeks than it

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would have cost us to fund safe and sound for

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that year before, uh, to be open. So he wasn't

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sleeping outside. And so, um, I think that, yeah, thank

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you for your question. And this is where homelessness is

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the ripples are really being felt in places that aren't

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within Safe and Sound. Going this way, no hands are

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going up. I'll go back to Carol's motion, which is

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that the staff write a letter to support the grant

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application. Any questions on that. Um, just without having that

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ahead of time, I think just to be safe, I

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better declare a pecuniary interest as I work for the

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government of Ontario. Okay. Call the question on favor. I'd

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just like to say that's not something I can support.

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Uh, the last couple of years we've heard from various

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people in the community that seemingly don't have a voice

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through a plethora of means when they talk about, uh,

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perhaps a moratorium on service provision downtown should be something

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that we examine. Uh, this is a continuation then of

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what can become potentially a self - fulfilling circular action

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where the more, uh, services you provide, the more invitation

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you have to individuals from outside of our community. I'm

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looking right now from the By Names list. This is

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Grey County's homelessness plan or the housing plan. Harden 40

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people experiencing homelessness in spring, 2026, 39er unhoused, uh, unless

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it can be mitigated with offsetting costs in the SOS

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program, which I see does a lot of this work.

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There's various other service providers in the community. We've heard

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some great stories from OSHER. They've got the medical practitioner

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in there in partnership with SOS program as well, providing

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some of the services. So at this time, I mean,

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even the comment about police, that should be backed up

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with stats and data. And information to support it. You

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can't just make a claim that, um, it's removed of

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certain amount of call volume. You've got a substantiate that

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with something. So, uh, I haven't seen that, uh, not

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something that I can support. Anyone else. Councillor Farmer. First,

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if the mayor will humor me, I think, uh, the

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deputy mayor's comments bring up the question of how is

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the neighbourhood response team different than the supportive outreach service

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through the United Way. We have people in the room

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from both of those organisations. And I think it would

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be helpful for all of us to hear how those

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two services are different if that's possible. No, we're not

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getting so long enough agenda anyway. We've got a 10

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minute that we're beyond. I think it's a straightforward motion.

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Anyone else wants to speak to the motion. Through the

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mayor. I'm in totally in support of the motion. I

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think it's always interesting to me to hear where arguments

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like the one the deputy made are deployed. We don't

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talk about oncology patients as flooding our community because we

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offer the services here. We don't talk about that for

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people who are seniors who need supportive living and to

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have that kind of argument focused only on people who

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are the most vulnerable. I think really just entrenches an

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idea that some people are deserving of having their humanity

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recognised and other people aren't. And I think that we

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should reject that. We're here for everyone in Owen Sound

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and having more people downtown who are employed to take

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care of both people and the spaces so that if

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a business owner does find a sharp or paraphernalia in

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front of their door when they come in in the

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morning, that the number that they can call and people

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who are trained and whose job it is, is to

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00:31:21,136 --> 00:31:23,115
come and clean up where it's not city staff who

478
00:31:23,136 --> 00:31:25,435
needs to do that. It's not public health that needs

479
00:31:25,435 --> 00:31:28,637
to do that or police. That this is, I think,

480
00:31:28,637 --> 00:31:31,597
clearly an asset to our community. And it's much cheaper

481
00:31:31,698 --> 00:31:35,677
than calling public health or public works. And I think

482
00:31:35,677 --> 00:31:38,877
we would be foolish to not join the Chamber of

483
00:31:38,917 --> 00:31:44,797
Commerce and OSHER and all the other community organisations that

484
00:31:44,898 --> 00:31:47,917
have said, this is a benefit. It deserves to be

485
00:31:47,938 --> 00:31:50,557
supported. And if we're not going to fund that locally,

486
00:31:50,557 --> 00:31:53,197
then we should make sure that the people who are

487
00:31:53,237 --> 00:31:54,797
willing to run it and do the work to make

488
00:31:54,818 --> 00:31:58,057
it happen to meet that obvious community need. Have all

489
00:31:58,057 --> 00:32:00,637
the resources that they need in order to be successful

490
00:32:00,658 --> 00:32:03,517
in finding that grant funding from other places. Because if

491
00:32:03,517 --> 00:32:07,117
we're not finding grant funding for this, here, then we're

492
00:32:07,218 --> 00:32:09,117
going to be paying more City employees to do more

493
00:32:09,218 --> 00:32:11,837
cleaning. And we're going to be paying more police officers

494
00:32:11,858 --> 00:32:14,557
to show up for people who are having a bad

495
00:32:14,557 --> 00:32:17,757
day, but not doing anything criminal. I've seen personally how

496
00:32:18,258 --> 00:32:20,957
just knowing someone's name and saying, Hey, what's wrong when

497
00:32:20,997 --> 00:32:22,717
they're yelling in the street can give them a chance

498
00:32:22,738 --> 00:32:24,537
to say, I'm having a bad day. It's the end

499
00:32:24,537 --> 00:32:26,637
of the month. I'm out of money. My friend just

500
00:32:26,677 --> 00:32:29,917
did something really mean to me. And that conversation can

501
00:32:30,018 --> 00:32:35,251
deescalate. Someone who's in distress in a public place because

502
00:32:35,251 --> 00:32:37,731
they don't have a private place to be. That's just

503
00:32:37,771 --> 00:32:40,771
being human. And I think we should fund more human

504
00:32:40,952 --> 00:32:44,131
services and humane services with a letter of support.

505
00:32:54,821 --> 00:32:56,880
Come on, this is accounts on meeting. We're conducting the

506
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,600
business of the city. It's not a, uh, it's not

507
00:32:59,621 --> 00:33:04,962
a stage and a presentation. Go ahead. Thank you. Yeah.

508
00:33:04,962 --> 00:33:08,402
Thank you, worship. Just, um, you said the total allegation

509
00:33:08,402 --> 00:33:10,962
for the year anticipated costs are going to be 300,

510
00:33:10,962 --> 00:33:14,562
000 to shy of 300, 000. So last year you

511
00:33:14,562 --> 00:33:16,802
were in a partnership with Grey County. So I'm assuming

512
00:33:16,823 --> 00:33:20,832
you've done this presentation with Grey County. Just, but I'll

513
00:33:20,832 --> 00:33:22,512
give you one second because then once you, if you

514
00:33:22,552 --> 00:33:26,352
answer, I have to turn mine off. So their presentation,

515
00:33:26,352 --> 00:33:28,432
two great county have they offered any level of support

516
00:33:28,693 --> 00:33:32,672
as well. Um, secondary question too, that would be. Let's

517
00:33:32,672 --> 00:33:36,032
just say you don't receive the Ontario Trillion Foundation grant

518
00:33:36,072 --> 00:33:40,032
funding. What does that put in to your plans for

519
00:33:40,533 --> 00:33:43,232
next steps? Is that just a request back to council

520
00:33:43,272 --> 00:33:46,752
to fund that program? Or will that be a financial

521
00:33:46,853 --> 00:33:50,592
request that goes back to the county? Um, that's going

522
00:33:50,592 --> 00:33:53,472
to be my, my first part of that. And the

523
00:33:53,472 --> 00:33:55,392
second part of that question, I'll just say at the

524
00:33:55,413 --> 00:33:59,552
Rupert District Board, we've talked about a downtown river district

525
00:34:00,213 --> 00:34:03,152
ambassador program. Um, they have a program like that in

526
00:34:03,152 --> 00:34:06,752
Collingwood where someone kind of has that individual who shares

527
00:34:06,792 --> 00:34:11,232
that tourism perspective. And I'm just trying to grasp, like

528
00:34:11,232 --> 00:34:14,732
when you said, uh, originally in your presentation that, you

529
00:34:14,732 --> 00:34:18,152
know, what you envision an RT to look like. Is

530
00:34:18,152 --> 00:34:20,112
that what you're leading to that you're looking more into

531
00:34:20,373 --> 00:34:24,912
a tourism ambassador component in the downtown core? Or what

532
00:34:24,952 --> 00:34:29,488
do you envision this looking like in the future? So

533
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:33,789
two parts of that question. Thank you. And through you,

534
00:34:33,789 --> 00:34:37,869
your mayor. So first of all, it wasn't the county's

535
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:40,589
money that funded this. It was flow through money from

536
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:44,829
the county. So it was, it was not financially supported

537
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:47,949
through the countier funded through the county. I did do

538
00:34:47,989 --> 00:34:53,709
this as a report to the, uh, Community Services Committee

539
00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:57,709
of Grey County. And, uh, I will be seeking a

540
00:34:57,749 --> 00:34:59,869
letter of support from them as well. Um, for the

541
00:35:00,050 --> 00:35:04,989
Trillium application. Grey County is a large place. And I

542
00:35:04,989 --> 00:35:08,509
think that, uh, I don't want to speak for Grey

543
00:35:08,549 --> 00:35:12,349
County. But I think that their resources need to be

544
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:16,269
allocated in a wide geographical area. And when we're talking

545
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:19,829
about something that's so specific to the river district, I

546
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:22,509
think that, uh, the first stop is the people who

547
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:26,509
are of the riffroofer district. Um, and, uh, Owen Sound

548
00:35:26,549 --> 00:35:31,389
is just one part of Grey County as a whole.

549
00:35:31,389 --> 00:35:36,509
And what happens if this is not funded by Trilium.

550
00:35:36,509 --> 00:35:41,149
The thing is, is that these community driven solutions that

551
00:35:41,650 --> 00:35:44,429
are evidence - based cheaper for our community as a

552
00:35:44,429 --> 00:35:48,349
whole. They will always continue to come up as the

553
00:35:48,389 --> 00:35:52,269
best solution. And so whether the time is now for

554
00:35:52,309 --> 00:35:54,829
this to be funded, maybe it doesn't get funded by

555
00:35:54,930 --> 00:35:57,949
Trilium. Maybe it doesn't get funded now. But it will

556
00:35:58,370 --> 00:36:03,469
continue to come because we need other supports available within

557
00:36:03,509 --> 00:36:07,549
the community. Um, and so if we're not funded by

558
00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:11,229
Trillium, then sure, maybe I'll come back and ask City

559
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:14,669
Council. Maybe we'll continue to seek other grants. We'll ask

560
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:17,149
Grey County as well. Like we're not going to stop

561
00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:21,709
trying to find a funding path to it. Um, because

562
00:36:21,709 --> 00:36:24,669
it's going to continue to be the right solution for

563
00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:29,309
our community. So whether it's me or whoever is in

564
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:33,609
the future, it will continue to be brought forward. Um,

565
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:38,589
and then for your second part of your question, I

566
00:36:38,629 --> 00:36:42,989
really want us all to understand these services as not

567
00:36:43,330 --> 00:36:47,463
a single type of service. When we're having somebody walk

568
00:36:47,503 --> 00:36:51,703
around the downtown supporting people, you're not just tourism or

569
00:36:51,703 --> 00:36:56,643
you're not just homelessness or you're not just whatever, you

570
00:36:56,643 --> 00:37:01,763
know, and trying to understand that integrating these solutions, uh,

571
00:37:01,804 --> 00:37:05,303
together, because the solutions that are best for tourism are

572
00:37:05,343 --> 00:37:07,763
often the solutions that are best for homelessness too. And

573
00:37:07,884 --> 00:37:11,463
so we need to not think of this as just

574
00:37:11,503 --> 00:37:14,103
a tourism program in the future or just a homelessness

575
00:37:14,124 --> 00:37:18,983
program. Because, you know, alleviating visible homelessness in downtown will,

576
00:37:18,983 --> 00:37:21,703
of course, help tourism. Um, and so I think that

577
00:37:21,743 --> 00:37:24,823
we need to be a little bit less worried about

578
00:37:25,084 --> 00:37:28,983
specific mandates and kind of open up. Um, our ideas

579
00:37:29,004 --> 00:37:33,183
about through actual collaboration and partnership. Maybe we're going to

580
00:37:33,244 --> 00:37:36,103
be answering actually a lot of questions through the same

581
00:37:36,444 --> 00:37:46,422
initiative. Not seeing other, any other hands going up.

582
00:37:46,422 --> 00:37:48,982
Um, several years ago, I went to AMO and there

583
00:37:49,022 --> 00:37:55,472
was a specialist from. Waterloo Operateer, I think, not Gualford,

584
00:37:55,472 --> 00:37:57,872
Waterloo. And Sudbury and they had a whole list of

585
00:37:57,872 --> 00:38:01,312
what they are working on, working towards all these great

586
00:38:01,352 --> 00:38:04,032
things that we need to do each and every one

587
00:38:04,072 --> 00:38:07,632
of those. We were doing in Grey County already. I

588
00:38:07,632 --> 00:38:11,072
think Francesca went to Timmons and came back with us,

589
00:38:11,072 --> 00:38:15,433
same conclusion. This is just to me one more opportunity

590
00:38:15,614 --> 00:38:19,833
to liaison between businesses that I know a couple that

591
00:38:19,873 --> 00:38:24,793
get pretty frustrated. I think it's unfortunate that your pilot

592
00:38:25,454 --> 00:38:28,873
was between November and March and not between May 1st

593
00:38:28,974 --> 00:38:32,713
and September 30th. I think it would have been a

594
00:38:32,713 --> 00:38:35,193
little bit different. I thank you do need to perfect

595
00:38:35,614 --> 00:38:37,753
it a little bit. But how do you perfect it

596
00:38:37,774 --> 00:38:41,513
in six months? So I'm supporting Carol's motion. So that

597
00:38:41,553 --> 00:38:44,977
I will call the question who's in favor. One, two,

598
00:38:44,977 --> 00:38:48,097
three, four, five, six, num seven. So that's carried. Thank

599
00:38:48,097 --> 00:38:58,091
you. So. Oddly enough, seven B is a

600
00:38:58,091 --> 00:39:01,291
deputation from a net peddler, Executive Director Safe and Sound

601
00:39:01,312 --> 00:39:10,420
Emergency Schelter Facility. Thank you. For not kicking me out

602
00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:15,759
yet. So, um, the next thing, speaking of services in

603
00:39:15,759 --> 00:39:19,759
the downtown, um, is, uh, Emergency Shelter Facility, um, that

604
00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:23,839
we are opening at 6, 12 seconds. So we're going

605
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:27,759
to talk first about going through briefly about what Safe

606
00:39:27,759 --> 00:39:30,559
and Sounds Overnight Services have been the last couple of

607
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,479
years. Then we're going to talk about, uh, this new

608
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:38,319
facility. And then just going to take a minute to

609
00:39:38,359 --> 00:39:42,539
reflect about where I think our community is headed. And

610
00:39:42,539 --> 00:39:45,199
also, uh, what role I see the City Plain in

611
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:51,465
this. And hopefully questions. So 2024 was the first year

612
00:39:51,505 --> 00:39:54,345
that we were open overnight. And as you can see,

613
00:39:54,345 --> 00:39:58,425
those average nightly stays, uh, the biggest month was 24

614
00:39:58,465 --> 00:40:03,089
people. Fast forward to this past year. So our third

615
00:40:03,089 --> 00:40:06,849
year, um, being a 24 hour service and our number

616
00:40:07,110 --> 00:40:11,729
significantly, uh, increased, especially by the end of the year.

617
00:40:11,729 --> 00:40:16,769
And, uh, this is obviously a hugely challenging. How it

618
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:22,049
worked up until this point. And we'll get, talk about

619
00:40:22,089 --> 00:40:25,329
this a bit more later is that Safe and Sound

620
00:40:25,369 --> 00:40:28,209
was the catch all for any system that wasn't working

621
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:32,529
for people. So if somebody is at, uh, the hospital

622
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:35,569
of somebody is at Grey County's motel program, if somebody

623
00:40:35,590 --> 00:40:38,769
is in any type of facility. And that's not a

624
00:40:38,809 --> 00:40:41,809
fit for them. Uh, we are really where people end

625
00:40:41,849 --> 00:40:45,569
up when a system somewhere has failed them. Um, and

626
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:49,249
that's, I think why when I'm thinking about solutions, they're

627
00:40:49,249 --> 00:40:52,849
very integrated within a lot of other systems because the

628
00:40:52,889 --> 00:40:55,409
reasons in which people are needing to access our services

629
00:40:55,830 --> 00:40:58,849
are also very much integrated into a lot of other,

630
00:40:58,849 --> 00:41:05,172
um, systems within our community. So about who stays, um,

631
00:41:05,373 --> 00:41:09,432
in our space, um, I think that it really needs

632
00:41:09,432 --> 00:41:11,672
to be very clear that a lot of the people

633
00:41:11,773 --> 00:41:16,392
who come and access Safe Sound services have a disability.

634
00:41:16,392 --> 00:41:20,912
Um, are part of some minority, in particular, indigenous. So

635
00:41:20,973 --> 00:41:25,892
locally, um, our indigenous population is 2. 4 percent, but

636
00:41:25,892 --> 00:41:31,352
in total, um, they were 27 percent of the night.

637
00:41:31,352 --> 00:41:35,112
So that means that, um, indigenous Community members were more

638
00:41:35,112 --> 00:41:38,632
than 11 times more likely to be needing Safe and

639
00:41:38,632 --> 00:41:43,032
Sounds services. And so I think that when we look

640
00:41:43,072 --> 00:41:47,432
at this in a longer horizon, we understand that this

641
00:41:47,613 --> 00:41:51,832
isn't something that's just the last five years in on.

642
00:41:51,832 --> 00:41:54,872
This is something that has been set for, for decades,

643
00:41:54,872 --> 00:42:00,532
um, and we're left, as I said, holding a lot

644
00:42:00,532 --> 00:42:08,625
of many generations of failures for families. So in total,

645
00:42:08,625 --> 00:42:12,545
um, Safe and Sound received from Grey County 435, 000

646
00:42:12,585 --> 00:42:18,225
dollars for the operating cost. Um, and so that equals

647
00:42:18,265 --> 00:42:22,065
to, uh, with the United States, 71 dollars per night

648
00:42:22,886 --> 00:42:25,985
That's not Great Math because that's also accounting for pain

649
00:42:26,025 --> 00:42:28,225
for our services during the day, which do have a

650
00:42:28,225 --> 00:42:32,705
lot more people, um, than that. Um, but, uh, it,

651
00:42:32,705 --> 00:42:36,185
uh, it, it, it's how much, uh, we had. So.

652
00:42:36,933 --> 00:42:39,952
So Satan Sound was started in 2007 with the goal

653
00:42:40,053 --> 00:42:44,112
of addressing a lack of a housing in the community.

654
00:42:44,112 --> 00:42:47,392
And so the next iteration of that is this 24

655
00:42:47,573 --> 00:42:50,992
bed shelter, uh, facility. We don't have a lot of

656
00:42:51,253 --> 00:42:54,192
time to go through all of the different iterations of

657
00:42:54,213 --> 00:42:57,992
what shelters look like. So we're going to have to

658
00:42:57,992 --> 00:43:01,632
just stick with, uh, explaining it as a dormitory style

659
00:43:01,672 --> 00:43:05,232
facility. Um, and then spots for five other people who

660
00:43:05,253 --> 00:43:09,952
will be awake. Um, this will be operational year round.

661
00:43:09,952 --> 00:43:12,172
Um, and it will only be open at night. Uh,

662
00:43:12,172 --> 00:43:14,832
the main reason for that is that the space itself

663
00:43:14,933 --> 00:43:22,552
is not, uh, and once you put in 14, or

664
00:43:22,552 --> 00:43:27,232
sorry, 12 bunk beds, uh, quite obviously becomes 12 bunk

665
00:43:27,232 --> 00:43:28,912
beds in a room. And that's a challenging thing to

666
00:43:28,933 --> 00:43:32,272
have anything other than a sleeping quarters in that space.

667
00:43:32,272 --> 00:43:36,352
So we received funding through the federal government of 500,

668
00:43:36,392 --> 00:43:41,052
000 dollars to purchase a building. And that's fantastic. Uh,

669
00:43:41,052 --> 00:43:44,832
but obviously 500, 000 dollars doesn't really barely get you

670
00:43:44,872 --> 00:43:47,472
a single family home, let alone a building that can

671
00:43:47,472 --> 00:43:50,832
be used as a facility for, uh, dozens of folks

672
00:43:51,173 --> 00:43:55,072
experiencing homelessness. Um, and so this is the facility that

673
00:43:55,112 --> 00:43:58,192
we were able to acquire. So up on the screen

674
00:43:58,293 --> 00:44:05,682
now is the plans for the building. Um, I'm going

675
00:44:05,682 --> 00:44:08,002
to get into some more zoomed in areas, uh, but

676
00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:13,422
basically the, uh, this is the front area here. And

677
00:44:13,463 --> 00:44:16,642
in this area, there is a shower, a washroom, a

678
00:44:16,743 --> 00:44:23,522
staff office, um, an area, excuse me, where the, it

679
00:44:23,522 --> 00:44:26,642
says the staff occupancy. That area will be somewhere for

680
00:44:26,642 --> 00:44:29,042
people who are awake. We don't want it to be

681
00:44:29,143 --> 00:44:32,766
that. If you're in here, you're sleeping, if you're awake,

682
00:44:32,806 --> 00:44:35,306
you're out because that's not being a good neighbour. Um,

683
00:44:35,507 --> 00:44:37,806
that's not going to be great for, for someone who's

684
00:44:37,846 --> 00:44:41,566
living beside us. Um, so that is where the additional

685
00:44:41,587 --> 00:44:44,046
capacity of five people who will be awake in the

686
00:44:44,067 --> 00:44:47,486
facility will be able to be. Additionally, in the vestibule

687
00:44:47,526 --> 00:44:52,926
area, we have, we give restrictions to people. I don't

688
00:44:52,966 --> 00:44:55,246
know if council's aware, but also we give restrictions to

689
00:44:55,347 --> 00:44:58,586
individuals for their conduct within the community. So it's not

690
00:44:58,586 --> 00:45:01,086
just in the building and on the property. Um, but

691
00:45:01,187 --> 00:45:04,046
we do give restrictions for things that happen around the

692
00:45:04,147 --> 00:45:08,986
facility as well. And that makes for really, really, uh,

693
00:45:09,187 --> 00:45:13,086
challenging moments, especially for frontline staff that are asked to

694
00:45:13,107 --> 00:45:17,206
carry way, way too much when it is 2. 30

695
00:45:17,206 --> 00:45:20,686
a. m. And I've said so and so can't come

696
00:45:20,726 --> 00:45:24,126
in. And then it is minus 25 and so on

697
00:45:24,126 --> 00:45:26,366
and so is standing there. And they look like they're

698
00:45:26,366 --> 00:45:29,886
about to die. And so this vestibule area will be

699
00:45:30,627 --> 00:45:33,886
a way to have people come into the building. There'll

700
00:45:33,987 --> 00:45:36,606
be a gate so that they're able to shelter from

701
00:45:36,646 --> 00:45:39,006
the elements for an appropriate amount of time before being

702
00:45:39,107 --> 00:45:43,086
asked to leave again. Then this is back into the

703
00:45:43,126 --> 00:45:47,246
sleeping quarters. So they will be gendered. And in total,

704
00:45:47,246 --> 00:45:49,966
as I said, though, there's 24 beds there. Um, there's

705
00:45:49,966 --> 00:45:54,046
also a ramp that is going to make it a

706
00:45:54,046 --> 00:45:57,566
barrier free facility. And that was on the previous slide.

707
00:45:59,476 --> 00:46:02,095
And, um, I just wanted to also highlight in the

708
00:46:02,196 --> 00:46:07,615
basement. So in the basement area, because we don't want

709
00:46:07,636 --> 00:46:11,755
to have staff very spread out throughout the facility, uh,

710
00:46:11,796 --> 00:46:14,575
we have everyone's sleeping on the same level. And then

711
00:46:14,596 --> 00:46:17,935
we have one larger room in the basement. And that

712
00:46:17,935 --> 00:46:20,815
is where our different partner service agencies are going to

713
00:46:21,476 --> 00:46:23,935
all have desks. And the idea is that we are

714
00:46:23,935 --> 00:46:26,415
going to stay open until eight o'clock, sorry, nine o'clock

715
00:46:26,516 --> 00:46:29,455
in the morning. And then these various partners are all

716
00:46:29,455 --> 00:46:31,755
actually going to be able to start their days, uh,

717
00:46:32,036 --> 00:46:35,055
from this building to be able to connect with the

718
00:46:35,156 --> 00:46:38,015
service users, uh, before they even get out and leave

719
00:46:38,055 --> 00:46:41,055
for the day. Um, and that will help cut some

720
00:46:41,316 --> 00:46:46,255
time for the hospital's act sort of Community treatment team,

721
00:46:46,255 --> 00:46:53,135
the SOS team, um, CMHA, Malequidong's housing program, um, amongst

722
00:46:53,135 --> 00:46:55,375
several others. And so I think that some of those

723
00:46:55,415 --> 00:46:58,175
letters of support that you received were for some of

724
00:46:58,175 --> 00:47:01,135
the partners who intend to be in that space as

725
00:47:01,135 --> 00:47:05,695
well. And this is the model that we need to

726
00:47:05,956 --> 00:47:09,375
move towards moving forward. This is how being different services

727
00:47:10,036 --> 00:47:14,095
coming to the people and meeting them quite literally where

728
00:47:14,095 --> 00:47:20,064
they are at. So where's our Community going. In less

729
00:47:20,064 --> 00:47:25,051
than two minutes. I think it's really important that you

730
00:47:25,072 --> 00:47:28,491
all know that homelessness is a solvable problem. It's a

731
00:47:28,491 --> 00:47:32,731
solvable problem in Owen Sound. It's solvable problem in Canada.

732
00:47:32,731 --> 00:47:35,371
And there is a lack of belief right now, which

733
00:47:35,392 --> 00:47:39,051
is the biggest first problem to actually making that happen.

734
00:47:39,312 --> 00:47:42,971
And a lot of both elected people, well most elected

735
00:47:43,011 --> 00:47:46,331
people that I talk to don't really think that this

736
00:47:46,371 --> 00:47:50,041
dot is a possibility for our community. And I just

737
00:47:50,062 --> 00:47:54,041
think that maybe asking yourselves how your distancing yourselves are

738
00:47:54,081 --> 00:47:57,961
bringing yourself closer to those solutions. What kind of events

739
00:47:57,961 --> 00:48:00,361
are you going to have you ever come and spoken

740
00:48:00,542 --> 00:48:02,601
to most of the people in the room here tonight

741
00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:07,081
are running some type of a service or working for

742
00:48:07,121 --> 00:48:09,961
a type of a service or volunteering. And there is

743
00:48:10,062 --> 00:48:13,321
no lack of solutions. Everyone always kind of says, Oh,

744
00:48:13,321 --> 00:48:17,001
you must be like so hopeless. And I just keep

745
00:48:17,022 --> 00:48:19,481
thinking, I am not hopeless at all because we have

746
00:48:19,521 --> 00:48:23,641
not tried many of the very common sense solutions that

747
00:48:24,142 --> 00:48:27,721
our community needs. If we tried these things, then perhaps

748
00:48:27,822 --> 00:48:31,721
I might be feeling, um, not hopeful. But I really

749
00:48:31,822 --> 00:48:35,801
am because the solutions are a lot closer, I think,

750
00:48:35,801 --> 00:48:41,481
than people really, um, and so the city's role within

751
00:48:41,481 --> 00:48:46,521
this. I think that, um, to do this justice, I

752
00:48:46,542 --> 00:48:50,521
am hesitant to start this slide with 30 seconds left.

753
00:48:50,521 --> 00:48:53,721
But I think that it always starts with ourselves as

754
00:48:53,761 --> 00:48:58,441
an individual. And, um, trying to understand, uh, where is

755
00:48:58,462 --> 00:49:01,941
your sphere of influence and what can you do? And

756
00:49:01,941 --> 00:49:04,041
what does the City do? And this is where we

757
00:49:04,062 --> 00:49:07,401
really ask for more collaboration and partnership. I think that

758
00:49:07,441 --> 00:49:09,401
there's a lot of people in the room here are

759
00:49:09,422 --> 00:49:12,601
sitting and waiting for an invitation. And whatever that meeting

760
00:49:12,641 --> 00:49:16,001
looks like, wherever that is, whatever tour, you know, you

761
00:49:16,001 --> 00:49:19,001
all want to go on. We're here. We have solutions.

762
00:49:19,001 --> 00:49:22,201
And we're excited and really proud to share them with

763
00:49:22,241 --> 00:49:29,776
you. Thank you. Thank you. Andy, go ahead. Yeah. Thank

764
00:49:29,776 --> 00:49:32,416
you for the presentation. Um, you've got a plan to

765
00:49:32,416 --> 00:49:36,336
build this facility very obviously, but I'm just curious about

766
00:49:36,597 --> 00:49:40,416
your operational plan. Um, you know, for example, I couldn't

767
00:49:40,416 --> 00:49:43,436
help but read how the slugging shores police have, uh,

768
00:49:43,557 --> 00:49:46,976
are planning to transfer folks to Owen Sound for overnight

769
00:49:47,157 --> 00:49:50,316
stays. And so my question is, you know, what's the

770
00:49:50,316 --> 00:49:52,736
plan if the more people embeds as a result of

771
00:49:52,736 --> 00:49:55,296
that, you know, have you thought through these sorts of

772
00:49:55,317 --> 00:50:01,901
situations. Do you, your Mayor, I would love to defer

773
00:50:01,941 --> 00:50:05,181
that to the people who are a deputy mayor who's

774
00:50:05,181 --> 00:50:09,701
sitting on the county council's Community Services Committee. Because I

775
00:50:09,701 --> 00:50:12,461
think this is where there's a bit of a misunderstanding

776
00:50:12,501 --> 00:50:15,661
of who's doing the role. Like the role of housing

777
00:50:15,762 --> 00:50:18,781
people is the role of the state. And we are

778
00:50:18,802 --> 00:50:22,141
simply, uh, one service got the state is using to

779
00:50:22,181 --> 00:50:27,421
help meet that. Um, and that is what I'm saying

780
00:50:27,602 --> 00:50:29,821
and what we're saying today is that for the last

781
00:50:29,861 --> 00:50:33,021
couple of years, we have said anybody who needs to

782
00:50:33,202 --> 00:50:36,061
place to stay will open the doors. And what's happened

783
00:50:36,101 --> 00:50:38,941
is that it's not been a dignified enough service because

784
00:50:38,981 --> 00:50:43,381
it's been overcrowded. Um, and we can't continue that. So

785
00:50:43,381 --> 00:50:45,261
what I'm here today to say is that we will

786
00:50:45,362 --> 00:50:48,461
provide beds for 24 people with it five more additional

787
00:50:48,501 --> 00:50:50,861
people who are going to be awake. And then that

788
00:50:50,962 --> 00:50:55,981
is the role of the county to answer that question.

789
00:50:55,981 --> 00:50:57,861
Um, about what's going to happen. What we're going to

790
00:50:57,861 --> 00:50:59,701
do is we're going to call and we're going to

791
00:50:59,701 --> 00:51:02,381
say, Hey, does this person have somewhere to stay tonight

792
00:51:02,722 --> 00:51:07,341
that can they get into the county's program and they're

793
00:51:07,341 --> 00:51:10,541
going to have to address that themselves. They, they rent

794
00:51:10,642 --> 00:51:14,461
private motel rooms when the, the motel is at capacity.

795
00:51:14,461 --> 00:51:16,781
Um, and so the amount

796
00:51:44,454 --> 00:51:46,913
Just so I can answer that question. I asked Grey

797
00:51:46,934 --> 00:51:50,593
County staff Anne Marie Shaw last Thursday on the Port

798
00:51:50,633 --> 00:51:53,713
Algin and was advised that there was two people brought

799
00:51:53,734 --> 00:51:56,913
over in the coldest nights and were returned to Port

800
00:51:56,953 --> 00:51:59,393
Og in the next day only two all winter long.

801
00:51:59,393 --> 00:52:04,173
So it's not hit Facebook and everyone gets excited. But

802
00:52:04,173 --> 00:52:12,336
in reality, it isn't that big ahead. The questions. But

803
00:52:12,376 --> 00:52:15,376
that's fine. That's still two people coming. And if it's

804
00:52:15,397 --> 00:52:19,536
already full, you're going to be turning those people away.

805
00:52:19,536 --> 00:52:27,470
Is that what I heard. Yes. Like we are not

806
00:52:27,571 --> 00:52:30,830
going to be overcapacity. And that is not Safe and

807
00:52:30,830 --> 00:52:33,630
Sound's responsibility. If Bruce County's unable to meet their housing

808
00:52:33,811 --> 00:52:42,506
needs. Thank you, worship. Um, I

809
00:52:42,506 --> 00:52:45,386
guess, and just for clarity for anyone who's watching people

810
00:52:45,386 --> 00:52:47,946
who aren't a part of your organisation, who you've brought

811
00:52:47,967 --> 00:52:50,426
with you along with this, the city is an improving

812
00:52:50,466 --> 00:52:53,386
anything today. The city isn't actually, this is just a

813
00:52:53,386 --> 00:52:58,586
presentation to inform municipal counsel of what is going on.

814
00:52:58,586 --> 00:53:01,386
Um, you didn't have to hold a public meeting because

815
00:53:01,887 --> 00:53:06,166
the, uh, zoning, uh, wasn't changing for the property. The

816
00:53:06,166 --> 00:53:08,746
property was able to just convert from where it currently

817
00:53:08,746 --> 00:53:11,146
was as a daycare into your current facility. So there

818
00:53:11,146 --> 00:53:15,135
was no public meeting. I think what begs the question

819
00:53:15,175 --> 00:53:19,295
is, are you planning to host a public meeting with

820
00:53:19,476 --> 00:53:24,095
members of the surrounding community neighbourhoods? Have you had communication

821
00:53:24,436 --> 00:53:27,055
with some of those direct people that are going to

822
00:53:27,316 --> 00:53:30,175
potentially be affected by some of that person that you

823
00:53:30,276 --> 00:53:32,735
just said you may turn away? That might go to

824
00:53:32,756 --> 00:53:35,455
the park two doors down or might go to the

825
00:53:35,495 --> 00:53:38,415
mill dam or may move further down the street. Is

826
00:53:38,415 --> 00:53:40,335
there been, we talk about transparency. You just said the

827
00:53:40,375 --> 00:53:42,495
words right there. Communication transparency. So people are here to

828
00:53:42,495 --> 00:53:46,222
listen. Have you listened to anything that's going on with

829
00:53:46,222 --> 00:53:49,699
the neighbourhood concerns? I live three blocks away. And I

830
00:53:49,699 --> 00:53:51,939
know I haven't received anything in the mail about having

831
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,059
a public meeting or a question about what we may

832
00:53:55,059 --> 00:53:57,779
see or, and it's not even whether it's, doesn't need

833
00:53:57,779 --> 00:54:04,869
to be something negative. It's about perception. Um, perception in

834
00:54:04,869 --> 00:54:07,189
reality can sometimes just mean the exact same thing come

835
00:54:07,229 --> 00:54:10,309
to the same outcome if you do not have answers

836
00:54:10,410 --> 00:54:12,949
or do not provide people the opportunity. So if you're

837
00:54:12,949 --> 00:54:15,909
trying to run an endeavour that we know is going

838
00:54:15,909 --> 00:54:19,749
to have challenges. That's not kid ourselves by any means.

839
00:54:19,749 --> 00:54:22,789
People will be upset no matter what. Some people will

840
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:25,702
be happy. Some people are going to be upset. So

841
00:54:26,843 --> 00:54:31,462
what have you done to interact with the neighbourhood that

842
00:54:31,643 --> 00:54:35,302
it's going to, just be honest, it will be affecting

843
00:54:35,403 --> 00:54:38,262
the neighbourhood of surrounding them in one way, shape or

844
00:54:38,262 --> 00:54:40,102
form. And it could be, it's going to be positive.

845
00:54:40,102 --> 00:54:41,382
It could be negative. Everyone's going to have a different

846
00:54:41,422 --> 00:54:44,662
experience. So tell me, when are you planning to do

847
00:54:44,662 --> 00:54:47,640
that. Have you thought about it or who have you

848
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:54,646
communicated with in that neighbourhood. We have met with neighbours,

849
00:54:54,646 --> 00:54:58,166
especially the ones immediately around the facility. Neighbours are giving

850
00:54:58,347 --> 00:55:00,406
direct input on what the fence is going to look

851
00:55:00,406 --> 00:55:03,926
like, for example. I just forwarded what they wanted the

852
00:55:03,926 --> 00:55:07,446
fence to look like onto the contractor. So those conversations

853
00:55:07,486 --> 00:55:10,855
are happening. I think that we also are going to

854
00:55:10,996 --> 00:55:17,515
start a community services, or Community Services. Neighbourhood Committee, one

855
00:55:17,515 --> 00:55:23,135
of our board members here today is a spearheading that.

856
00:55:23,175 --> 00:55:27,455
I just want to keep in context that, like, Safe

857
00:55:27,455 --> 00:55:31,375
and Sound right now, we have me as a non

858
00:55:31,556 --> 00:55:36,495
- direct service providing staff. And then we have half

859
00:55:36,495 --> 00:55:40,655
of financial manager. Um, and that is who are, where

860
00:55:40,756 --> 00:55:45,055
our capacity is that is not a direct service provider.

861
00:55:45,055 --> 00:55:47,615
And so this is where in the question of what

862
00:55:47,655 --> 00:55:51,275
is the role of everybody around us also that, um,

863
00:55:51,396 --> 00:55:55,455
that we need more education and support being done about

864
00:55:55,495 --> 00:55:58,335
what it means to have a shelter in your community,

865
00:55:58,335 --> 00:56:00,335
not just by Safe and Sound. This is also the

866
00:56:00,356 --> 00:56:02,815
role of the city. This is also the role of

867
00:56:03,156 --> 00:56:07,615
the county. We're going to have a work to work

868
00:56:07,716 --> 00:56:09,535
B's. We're going to have an open house and then

869
00:56:09,535 --> 00:56:12,655
a grand opening. So it's, it's not behind a cloak.

870
00:56:12,655 --> 00:56:16,335
Um, and also I attend a public meeting like every

871
00:56:16,375 --> 00:56:18,335
time. And if you want to ever find out where

872
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:21,775
I work and what I do. Um, and so we

873
00:56:21,775 --> 00:56:25,855
are constantly all living also within the community and addressing

874
00:56:25,895 --> 00:56:35,019
these issues every day. Um, and yeah. Thanks. And I

875
00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:37,499
appreciate that. But that's still, that's just saying I walked

876
00:56:37,539 --> 00:56:39,179
on the street and I listened to what people say.

877
00:56:39,581 --> 00:56:41,840
I'm going to go back to what I originally, my

878
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,480
original comment. If you're looking for a positive success from

879
00:56:45,501 --> 00:56:48,840
that, the people in that surrounding neighbourhood, just like you

880
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,120
would have done if you had to do a zoning

881
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,360
change, you would have defered from people who didn't support

882
00:56:52,941 --> 00:56:55,080
and opposed. And more information, this is the first time

883
00:56:55,101 --> 00:56:57,320
you get to, you're even having a chance to say

884
00:56:57,341 --> 00:57:00,760
this publicly from what I'm aware of built on television

885
00:57:00,781 --> 00:57:03,960
and in this chamber to provide the input of what

886
00:57:03,981 --> 00:57:06,360
you're doing and what this facility is going to do.

887
00:57:07,615 --> 00:57:10,074
And I just think when we start saying words like

888
00:57:10,495 --> 00:57:12,634
other people have their ears open and we need more

889
00:57:12,674 --> 00:57:16,054
education, that's fair. But where's the space for it? And

890
00:57:16,054 --> 00:57:19,514
I think if you're moving into this facility, you haven't

891
00:57:19,535 --> 00:57:23,074
hosted a public meeting because you didn't need to. I

892
00:57:23,074 --> 00:57:26,154
just think that's a commonly neighbour thing you would want

893
00:57:26,194 --> 00:57:30,037
to do. Um, for the success of your facility. Um,

894
00:57:30,077 --> 00:57:32,757
and I'm not trying to be mean or rude or

895
00:57:32,797 --> 00:57:36,197
anything. But you know, the perception from what's happened on

896
00:57:36,298 --> 00:57:38,997
8th Street. There is a negative perception of something that

897
00:57:39,018 --> 00:57:41,317
has happened from 8th Street. Some people agree with it.

898
00:57:41,317 --> 00:57:43,408
Some people don't, but that is out there. So if

899
00:57:43,448 --> 00:57:46,448
that is the case, you know, if this is something

900
00:57:46,709 --> 00:57:49,008
different and it's in a different neighbourhood, I would just

901
00:57:49,048 --> 00:57:51,808
have the expectation that you'd want to try to cut

902
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:53,648
that off and try to be as positive as you

903
00:57:53,648 --> 00:57:55,648
can, but the solutions you're going to find. If people

904
00:57:55,989 --> 00:57:59,408
are moving into those neighbourhoods, what can people do? Or,

905
00:57:59,408 --> 00:58:02,848
you know, I think it's just communication, as you note.

906
00:58:02,848 --> 00:58:06,400
But I think it was two ways. So I would,

907
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,800
my hope would be, before this facility is open, that

908
00:58:10,901 --> 00:58:14,320
you've got some sort of plan, that neighbourhood response team

909
00:58:14,421 --> 00:58:17,840
or whoever you were just committee, I would hope you're

910
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,920
planning to set up something. Otherwise, I can tell you,

911
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,320
and I'm not being mean here, but you will get

912
00:58:24,501 --> 00:58:28,717
negative feedback immediately. So I just feel like if your

913
00:58:28,717 --> 00:58:31,397
organisation to have a positive feel from your organisation, I

914
00:58:31,397 --> 00:58:33,837
think you need to have some communication with not just

915
00:58:34,018 --> 00:58:37,676
the three people around your facility. Um, it will impact

916
00:58:37,777 --> 00:58:42,702
more people. And from my perspective, we have public meetings

917
00:58:42,742 --> 00:58:44,862
all the time about things. But I just think that

918
00:58:45,123 --> 00:58:50,222
if personally, I think that's, you're going to run into

919
00:58:50,403 --> 00:58:54,398
some challenges if you don't do that. Okay. So I'm

920
00:58:54,398 --> 00:58:56,478
just looking at the clock at 6. 30 and we've

921
00:58:56,478 --> 00:58:59,998
got 12 reports to go. So I'll go to Carol

922
00:59:00,038 --> 00:59:09,866
first. Through you mayor. I know,

923
00:59:09,866 --> 00:59:12,186
Annette, I sent you an email and I talked to

924
00:59:12,186 --> 00:59:14,586
you before the meeting. So I'm bringing forward the question

925
00:59:14,607 --> 00:59:21,273
about statistics. As we, as we are hearing this presentation,

926
00:59:21,313 --> 00:59:26,150
looking at the statistics you've provided. My analysis is that

927
00:59:26,571 --> 00:59:30,150
we're opening a facility that is under servicing the need.

928
00:59:31,409 --> 00:59:34,588
Before the door is open, even with the sit -

929
00:59:34,588 --> 00:59:38,814
ups, stay awakes. And the beds, the bunk beds. We're

930
00:59:38,814 --> 00:59:45,934
not even meeting what you have identified is out there.

931
00:59:45,934 --> 00:59:49,374
And we know there is an increase in the unhoused

932
00:59:49,795 --> 00:59:55,659
in our area and growing. We're going underwater as we're

933
00:59:55,659 --> 01:00:01,550
trying to swim upstream here. The county has an important

934
01:00:01,971 --> 01:00:07,825
role to play. How do we communicate back. Great. There's

935
01:00:07,846 --> 01:00:12,225
beds. There's not enough beds. And what can be done?

936
01:00:12,265 --> 01:00:17,265
What's plan B? Because otherwise, as we know, our service

937
01:00:17,265 --> 01:00:20,945
agencies will provide what they need to for people to

938
01:00:21,046 --> 01:00:25,265
be outdoors with whatever's over their head or indoors under

939
01:00:25,286 --> 01:00:28,465
our roof. And I have a concern that we're already

940
01:00:28,566 --> 01:00:34,969
under service. Before the winter even arrives. Councillor Farmer. Uh,

941
01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:39,269
one question for Annette and two questions for staff. Um,

942
01:00:39,550 --> 01:00:42,249
just quickly, there was a comment about not a place

943
01:00:42,249 --> 01:00:46,729
for youth. Um, we hear a lot about from various

944
01:00:46,729 --> 01:00:49,529
sources that the people coming to access services are not

945
01:00:49,569 --> 01:00:52,569
from here, um, can you speak to that comment about

946
01:00:52,990 --> 01:00:55,929
youth, um, because to my understanding, the teenagers that are

947
01:00:55,929 --> 01:00:58,729
here are very much from here. Has safe and sound

948
01:00:58,769 --> 01:01:02,009
been also providing services to people under the age of

949
01:01:02,049 --> 01:01:11,716
18. To answer through you,

950
01:01:11,897 --> 01:01:16,676
Mayor Safe and Sound has been providing services to youth

951
01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:20,839
under the age of 18 last winter. When I became

952
01:01:21,020 --> 01:01:25,879
aware that this wasn't just happenstance that the youth night

953
01:01:25,980 --> 01:01:28,119
kind of went sideways and they were ending up at

954
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:30,679
Safe and Sound. And instead that was the plan for

955
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:35,959
the youth to be staying. We made a rule that,

956
01:01:35,959 --> 01:01:38,279
okay, no more people under the age of 18 are

957
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:41,719
allowed in the facility after 10 p. m. The second

958
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:50,199
night that was imposed or that was enacted. Youth was

959
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:53,959
sexually assaulted in a snow bank, um, in the downtown.

960
01:01:53,959 --> 01:01:57,559
And so we then the following night let the youth

961
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:02,039
back in, um, because the harm that was occurring in

962
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:04,759
that situation was a lot worse when the door wasn't

963
01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:08,599
open to them. Uh, then what it was. Um, of

964
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:12,199
course the youth have a significant amount of time to

965
01:02:12,220 --> 01:02:16,039
Grey County, but so does, so too does the adults,

966
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:19,559
um, who access our services as well. Um, we did

967
01:02:19,660 --> 01:02:23,559
a poll last summer of everywhere everyone went to high

968
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:26,279
school in over 90 percent of the people in attendance

969
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:29,319
at Safe and Sound for that one week period had

970
01:02:29,319 --> 01:02:31,859
gone to high school in Grey or Bruce County. Um,

971
01:02:32,060 --> 01:02:37,799
and, uh, so this is really, uh, Owen Sound and

972
01:02:38,060 --> 01:02:42,019
local area, um, folks who are accessing the service. And

973
01:02:42,460 --> 01:02:47,239
also to address councillor Mertens question about the, I think

974
01:02:47,279 --> 01:02:50,279
that I partly answered that with there will be people

975
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:54,279
being turned away, um, and yes, I am actually quite

976
01:02:54,460 --> 01:02:57,159
tepid on the plan in that it is not meeting

977
01:02:57,180 --> 01:02:59,879
the full need. This is where it comes back to.

978
01:02:59,879 --> 01:03:02,759
We got 500, 000 dollars and that is in enough

979
01:03:02,860 --> 01:03:06,039
to address this problem in full. The answer to that

980
01:03:06,460 --> 01:03:08,599
and what, um, I think that we all need as

981
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:10,679
a community to start to talk about is a purpose

982
01:03:10,860 --> 01:03:15,019
- built facility that is integrating medical beds. A lot

983
01:03:15,019 --> 01:03:17,159
of the people who are accessing safe and sound services

984
01:03:17,660 --> 01:03:22,359
are in medical conditions that are not, um, honestly, probably

985
01:03:22,780 --> 01:03:25,239
believable for a lot of people about the kind of

986
01:03:25,420 --> 01:03:29,559
support they need from PSWs and nursing. Um, and we

987
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:33,399
don't want to be providing emergency shelter services. We want

988
01:03:33,399 --> 01:03:36,279
to be providing transitional housing. We want to be providing

989
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:40,519
pathways for people to not just be surviving another 24

990
01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:44,439
hours. And I see very strongly the future in Owenstown

991
01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:47,539
being one with a facility that is bringing a lot

992
01:03:47,539 --> 01:03:51,479
of services together and then has transitional housing above that

993
01:03:51,580 --> 01:03:55,239
are meeting different people's medical needs. We are not going

994
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:58,519
to talk tonight about our palliative care program, but palliative

995
01:03:58,540 --> 01:04:02,279
care is a huge need in the homelessness sphere and

996
01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:06,679
something we have a worker addressing. Um, and so this

997
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:09,879
is not our destination. This is just where we are

998
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:13,159
today. And we are going to continue to build and

999
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:18,199
learn from every endeavour we do. Um, and build towards

1000
01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:27,322
a better future for all of our community. Okay. Two

1001
01:04:27,362 --> 01:04:29,642
questions for the City manager. I'll just stack them in

1002
01:04:29,642 --> 01:04:34,723
if you need the second one repeated. Feel free. One,

1003
01:04:34,723 --> 01:04:37,203
we've heard that there's a plan from the city to

1004
01:04:37,224 --> 01:04:40,963
develop regulations for emergency care establishments. Can you tell us

1005
01:04:40,963 --> 01:04:44,223
how the new regulations might impact this new shelter? And

1006
01:04:44,223 --> 01:04:46,403
secondly, what does the work plan from the city look

1007
01:04:46,443 --> 01:04:50,083
like and timeline for outreach to stakeholders like Safe and

1008
01:04:50,083 --> 01:04:52,963
Sound, Breitshores, uh, and the county to make sure that

1009
01:04:53,064 --> 01:05:00,434
any increased regulation is mutually beneficial. Through you mayor to

1010
01:05:00,474 --> 01:05:04,594
Councillor Farmer. So staff are not currently proposing an emergency

1011
01:05:04,695 --> 01:05:09,874
care bylaw on its own. We're looking at, um, an

1012
01:05:09,874 --> 01:05:12,594
update or Revision to the business licensing bylaw that could

1013
01:05:12,594 --> 01:05:15,874
have elements of an emergency care pieces within it. We've

1014
01:05:16,135 --> 01:05:19,314
just started looking at that now. Uh, the notion from

1015
01:05:20,055 --> 01:05:23,794
Bylaw would be to set up and speak with various

1016
01:05:23,815 --> 01:05:26,354
stakeholders over the next few months, that being Owen Sound

1017
01:05:26,375 --> 01:05:29,914
Police Services Safe and Sound United Way. The county, et

1018
01:05:29,914 --> 01:05:32,594
cetera, and bring a report back at some point in

1019
01:05:32,634 --> 01:05:39,873
the fall with an update to business licensing bylaw. So

1020
01:05:39,913 --> 01:05:45,970
neat. To you, Mayor. Thank you, Annette, for the presentation.

1021
01:05:45,970 --> 01:05:48,719
Just a quick question for my own gender knowledge. That

1022
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:52,799
you meant the SOS programs and the neighbourhood response team

1023
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:56,719
programs and the shelter that you're proposing. So all these

1024
01:05:56,740 --> 01:05:59,919
facilities, they are only in Omen Sound out of Grey

1025
01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:03,359
County. Or are there in any other municipalities for Grey

1026
01:06:03,399 --> 01:06:05,999
County? Like where folks can go other than Owen Sound.

1027
01:06:08,256 --> 01:06:11,915
Thank you for your question through you, your mayor. SOS

1028
01:06:12,336 --> 01:06:15,915
and the neighbourhood of response team are not physical buildings.

1029
01:06:15,915 --> 01:06:19,515
Um, and they're not tied to anything physical. SOS is

1030
01:06:19,616 --> 01:06:25,755
not also directly only tied to Grey County. Safe and

1031
01:06:25,795 --> 01:06:32,075
Sound is somewhere that SOS provides services too. Um, but,

1032
01:06:32,075 --> 01:06:34,635
um, some of the SOS folks in the Crowder are

1033
01:06:34,656 --> 01:06:39,895
much better to answer. But they host different clinics, um,

1034
01:06:40,096 --> 01:06:44,235
and drop in times at various places across Grey County

1035
01:06:44,235 --> 01:06:46,555
throughout the week at different days. So they'll go to

1036
01:06:46,736 --> 01:06:51,275
Hanover. There's also in Mark D. There's the Grey Booth's

1037
01:06:51,456 --> 01:06:55,595
health access, sorry, not the Great Bruce. Southeast Grey Health

1038
01:06:55,776 --> 01:06:57,835
Access Centre that has a drop - in for people

1039
01:06:57,835 --> 01:07:02,075
to access. So, um, I think that it is a

1040
01:07:02,115 --> 01:07:04,875
great future to think about where a version of the

1041
01:07:04,896 --> 01:07:07,635
NRT and Safe and Sound could be providing drop -

1042
01:07:07,635 --> 01:07:11,035
in services outside of Owen Sound. But our capacity is

1043
01:07:11,075 --> 01:07:13,835
not of that now. And so SOS does a fantastic

1044
01:07:14,016 --> 01:07:17,995
job at serving those other communities. But that is not

1045
01:07:17,995 --> 01:07:20,875
the role of the NRT or of, um, Safe and

1046
01:07:20,875 --> 01:07:27,445
Sound. Go ahead. Thank you. And no denying that is

1047
01:07:27,485 --> 01:07:30,245
a very valuable need in the community. And I think

1048
01:07:30,245 --> 01:07:34,045
you've got a great location, the building, uh, itself. So

1049
01:07:34,045 --> 01:07:36,085
great to see the plans that you brought forward here

1050
01:07:36,125 --> 01:07:38,565
tonight. And that just going to build quickly off some

1051
01:07:38,586 --> 01:07:41,845
comments from Councillor Farmer. At the May Committee meeting at

1052
01:07:41,885 --> 01:07:47,125
the county at Community Services, you stated, um, the public,

1053
01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:49,365
in response to a question that public surrounding neighbours had

1054
01:07:49,466 --> 01:07:53,812
been consulted and communicated with. June 15th, I got an

1055
01:07:53,812 --> 01:07:57,572
email from a neighbouring resident and business owner in our

1056
01:07:57,612 --> 01:08:02,930
community to express their strong concerns regarding the shelter. Staff

1057
01:08:02,970 --> 01:08:08,290
responded to that email June 24th after meeting with Safe

1058
01:08:08,290 --> 01:08:10,450
and Sound on the week of the 15th to the

1059
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:14,610
19th, which stated that Safe and Sound staff mentioned in

1060
01:08:14,650 --> 01:08:18,610
that meeting, they would be doing some Community outreaching communication.

1061
01:08:18,610 --> 01:08:23,170
So the example where I'm not sure what's been done.

1062
01:08:24,543 --> 01:08:27,002
One thing was said at the county that they'd already

1063
01:08:27,002 --> 01:08:30,682
been outreach and communicating with neighbours. Then I get an

1064
01:08:30,682 --> 01:08:34,362
email that would seemingly contradict that to a certain extent.

1065
01:08:35,196 --> 01:08:39,255
Um, there's a letter attached in the package that's in

1066
01:08:39,255 --> 01:08:41,735
support of the plans, both the NRT and this one

1067
01:08:41,735 --> 01:08:46,535
here tonight. Uh, it's from a public person identifying as

1068
01:08:46,535 --> 01:08:52,385
a public member. Why does that individual get included in

1069
01:08:52,385 --> 01:08:58,305
the correspondence to council as a singular individual as opposed

1070
01:08:58,345 --> 01:09:01,425
to a multitude of various personalities that could have contributed

1071
01:09:02,006 --> 01:09:04,145
various concerns? So at the end of the day, I

1072
01:09:04,185 --> 01:09:06,185
do want to know more about how you're going to

1073
01:09:06,406 --> 01:09:09,105
consult with the public. And effectively how you're going to

1074
01:09:09,286 --> 01:09:13,345
hold yourself to a level of accountability measured against concerns

1075
01:09:13,345 --> 01:09:16,945
from surrounding neighbours and your response to them when you

1076
01:09:16,945 --> 01:09:20,705
get them. Because that is critical. The concerns are valid

1077
01:09:20,806 --> 01:09:27,025
and real. Um, when people have devaluation in their house

1078
01:09:27,046 --> 01:09:31,025
price, uh, dependent upon sensitive uses, that might be close

1079
01:09:31,065 --> 01:09:34,305
by. That hits home for people. That's a very real

1080
01:09:34,486 --> 01:09:36,825
concern. And it should be acknowledged. And we have to

1081
01:09:37,046 --> 01:09:43,369
respond to it. Um, so I guess that's what level

1082
01:09:43,409 --> 01:09:47,049
of communication are you going to commit yourself to and

1083
01:09:47,150 --> 01:09:49,129
how are you going to hold yourself accountable to those

1084
01:09:49,230 --> 01:09:57,313
concerns? I am first and foremost accountable to the participants

1085
01:09:57,313 --> 01:10:00,753
of Safe and Sound. Um, I am also accountable to

1086
01:10:00,934 --> 01:10:04,113
the board of Safe and Sound. I'm accountable to our

1087
01:10:04,134 --> 01:10:07,793
funders. I am accountable to our neighbours. I am accountable

1088
01:10:07,894 --> 01:10:11,873
as a Community member within this community. So I think

1089
01:10:12,054 --> 01:10:15,873
that trying to pick the singular way and the quick

1090
01:10:15,913 --> 01:10:18,433
answer about how I am going to be held accountable.

1091
01:10:19,174 --> 01:10:24,413
Is not really that fruitful. Um, of a conversation. But

1092
01:10:24,454 --> 01:10:28,113
I'm hearing that, uh, more communication is needed from Safe

1093
01:10:28,113 --> 01:10:30,753
and Sound. And I think we can take that back.

1094
01:10:30,753 --> 01:10:33,773
And we can continue to do better at that. Um,

1095
01:10:34,134 --> 01:10:37,713
unfortunately, we didn't have enough funding to continue to employer

1096
01:10:37,974 --> 01:10:43,233
communications manager. So they, uh, left the agency in January.

1097
01:10:43,233 --> 01:10:46,513
And so that has a compounding effect. When you don't

1098
01:10:46,854 --> 01:10:50,193
fund places well enough to do anything barely, then just

1099
01:10:50,193 --> 01:10:53,873
survive. You have results that are also partial. If you

1100
01:10:53,873 --> 01:10:58,433
partially fund something, you have a partial result. And so,

1101
01:10:58,433 --> 01:11:00,993
um, we, as I said, we're going to have an

1102
01:11:01,014 --> 01:11:04,273
open house for Community members to come in and meet

1103
01:11:04,313 --> 01:11:11,393
with people. Um, and, um, we, I think that our

1104
01:11:11,574 --> 01:11:14,753
board and I am very accessible. We are getting the

1105
01:11:14,753 --> 01:11:17,473
letters and the messages too. We are meeting and responding

1106
01:11:17,513 --> 01:11:20,973
to the people. We are answering the phone calls. And

1107
01:11:21,014 --> 01:11:24,353
I do also think it's important to note that not

1108
01:11:24,614 --> 01:11:28,513
all of the, some of the concerns are definitely valid.

1109
01:11:28,513 --> 01:11:32,353
And some of them are really hateful. And some of

1110
01:11:32,353 --> 01:11:35,633
the things that are being brought, um, to my voicemail

1111
01:11:36,454 --> 01:11:40,193
are really, really awful things. Um, and, you know, I

1112
01:11:40,193 --> 01:11:42,593
should put my truck in four by four and deal

1113
01:11:42,633 --> 01:11:45,313
with this problem myself. You know, that kind of thing.

1114
01:11:45,313 --> 01:11:49,073
And so engaging, the only death threats I've received in

1115
01:11:49,073 --> 01:11:51,873
this job are not through participants of Safe and Sound.

1116
01:11:51,873 --> 01:11:57,393
It is through Community members. So like, I think that

1117
01:11:57,433 --> 01:11:59,633
we can do a better job at Communicating with the

1118
01:11:59,654 --> 01:12:03,953
Community around us. Um, but I'm not concerned about a

1119
01:12:03,993 --> 01:12:07,473
lack of avenues to hold me accountable for how this

1120
01:12:07,494 --> 01:12:13,268
all goes. Melny. Thank you through your worship. Um, something

1121
01:12:13,369 --> 01:12:15,188
just struck me when I was looking at your logo.

1122
01:12:15,188 --> 01:12:17,108
I've always referred to you as Safe and Sound Owen

1123
01:12:17,148 --> 01:12:19,428
Sound, but your marketing yourself is Safe and Sound Grey

1124
01:12:19,449 --> 01:12:22,128
Bruce. And I was just reading your mission statement. And

1125
01:12:22,128 --> 01:12:26,148
it says that you provide services to individuals experiencing homelessness

1126
01:12:26,969 --> 01:12:30,948
housing insecurity poverty and marginalization in grey and Bruce Counties.

1127
01:12:31,607 --> 01:12:33,906
Where else are you located in Grey and Bruce County's

1128
01:12:33,946 --> 01:12:41,095
other than in Own Sound? So that name was circa

1129
01:12:41,596 --> 01:12:47,015
2007. So long before my time within Safe and Sound,

1130
01:12:47,015 --> 01:12:50,455
currently, as I said, our capacity is not limited to

1131
01:12:50,476 --> 01:12:53,495
a physical presence outside of Owen Sound, like as a

1132
01:12:53,495 --> 01:12:56,535
location. Um, we had not had time today to talk

1133
01:12:56,575 --> 01:13:00,215
about our palliative care program, but we have a palliative

1134
01:13:00,316 --> 01:13:04,215
care program coordinator story who works with people who are

1135
01:13:04,396 --> 01:13:07,655
indigenous or homeless across Grand Bruce to help them get

1136
01:13:07,676 --> 01:13:11,735
connected to palliative care services. Um, and so she travels

1137
01:13:12,156 --> 01:13:16,295
significantly throughout the region. And currently that is the main

1138
01:13:16,316 --> 01:13:21,175
way in which we are positively impacting the rest of

1139
01:13:21,175 --> 01:13:25,335
the counties outside of Own Sound. Thank you for that,

1140
01:13:25,335 --> 01:13:28,375
um, just in your comments earlier, you said that you,

1141
01:13:28,375 --> 01:13:31,895
the county needs to spread services wider across the county.

1142
01:13:31,895 --> 01:13:34,375
So I just, I feel like in your mission statement,

1143
01:13:34,636 --> 01:13:39,495
you're kind of inviting grey and Bruce to send to

1144
01:13:39,495 --> 01:13:43,415
you because it's in your mission statement. You're safe and

1145
01:13:43,516 --> 01:13:45,735
sound located in Owen Sound, but your mission statement is

1146
01:13:45,735 --> 01:13:48,055
that you're providing the service to all of Grey Bruce,

1147
01:13:48,055 --> 01:13:51,175
which I think is where a lot of the frustration

1148
01:13:51,276 --> 01:13:53,815
from Owen Sounders comes from because I feel like we

1149
01:13:53,836 --> 01:13:57,015
feel like we are the homelessness hub of Grey Bruce

1150
01:13:57,015 --> 01:14:01,089
County. And we want Grey County and it's up to

1151
01:14:01,089 --> 01:14:04,129
our reps to also speak up at Grey County that

1152
01:14:04,129 --> 01:14:05,889
we want the services spread out. We don't want to

1153
01:14:05,889 --> 01:14:07,889
be the homeless hub. We feel like people should be

1154
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:11,249
looked after in the community from which they come from.

1155
01:14:11,249 --> 01:14:15,009
So whether or not you have any role in that

1156
01:14:15,049 --> 01:14:18,929
going forward, you know, I know that funding is an

1157
01:14:18,929 --> 01:14:22,369
issue at all times. But, um, I personally would like

1158
01:14:22,369 --> 01:14:25,249
to see services spread out across Grey County so that

1159
01:14:25,249 --> 01:14:29,611
people can be looked after where they're from. Through you

1160
01:14:29,611 --> 01:14:32,511
briefly, your Mayor, I don't, that like, I'm not sure

1161
01:14:32,532 --> 01:14:34,551
if that was something you thought I was going to

1162
01:14:34,551 --> 01:14:38,191
disagree with, but I don't. Like obviously people need to

1163
01:14:38,191 --> 01:14:41,071
be supported naturally within their own homes, you know, through

1164
01:14:41,111 --> 01:14:45,071
their natural support system. Um, so you're not, yeah, of

1165
01:14:45,071 --> 01:14:47,151
course people need to be able to stay closer to

1166
01:14:47,191 --> 01:14:51,151
their natural supports. Grey Bruce is a big area. I

1167
01:14:51,191 --> 01:14:55,311
think that, um, people not even realising it says Grey

1168
01:14:55,351 --> 01:14:57,471
Bruce is kind of and it thinks it says Owen

1169
01:14:57,471 --> 01:15:00,191
Sound may be as reflective of it not really being

1170
01:15:00,372 --> 01:15:03,071
an invitation. If you already thought it said Safe and

1171
01:15:03,071 --> 01:15:07,151
Sound Owen Sound, the Grey Bruce thing maybe isn't even,

1172
01:15:07,151 --> 01:15:12,268
I guess, registering for a lot of people. All right.

1173
01:15:12,289 --> 01:15:14,588
I think we need to move on with our meeting.

1174
01:15:14,588 --> 01:15:18,748
Thank you very much for coming in and to presenting.

1175
01:15:18,748 --> 01:15:24,085
And, you know, this is probably the first time. What

1176
01:15:24,085 --> 01:15:27,685
you're doing is so important in the community. We all

1177
01:15:27,685 --> 01:15:30,554
know what. I'm not going to tell you what the

1178
01:15:30,594 --> 01:15:32,634
Community thinks because you already know as you talk about

1179
01:15:32,655 --> 01:15:35,674
the phone calls you take some of those phone calls

1180
01:15:35,695 --> 01:15:41,840
are worse than what I get. There is some concern

1181
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,120
of the perception very clearly and that's been communicated with

1182
01:15:45,301 --> 01:15:48,800
you tonight on eight Street. I got more phone calls

1183
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,320
about people in front of your place on eight street

1184
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,840
than just about anything. The last little while it has

1185
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,559
been. It hasn't been the same recently. It's been, I

1186
01:16:00,559 --> 01:16:02,239
don't want to use word cleaned up, but it has

1187
01:16:02,260 --> 01:16:04,639
been, it's been different. And I encourage you to continue

1188
01:16:04,660 --> 01:16:09,119
to listen to the Community and what they're saying as

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01:16:09,119 --> 01:16:11,199
well. It's a two - way street and keep doing

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01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:14,639
what you're doing and keep trying to perfect it with

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01:16:14,740 --> 01:16:19,709
your 1. 5 employees and three volunteers. But thanks for

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01:16:19,709 --> 01:16:25,315
doing what you're doing. Thank you. So, so if you

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01:16:25,355 --> 01:16:27,315
are here just for those, it's probably a good time

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01:16:27,336 --> 01:16:29,795
to leave. We'll just turn off the microphone because this

1195
01:16:29,835 --> 01:16:32,035
is going to take a minute. We'll encourage you to

1196
01:16:32,035 --> 01:16:35,555
go right outside because anything outside that door just echoes

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01:16:35,595 --> 01:16:36,995
like crazy in here. So we'll just give you a

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01:16:36,995 --> 01:16:37,635
minute.

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01:17:23,651 --> 01:17:27,630
Okay. So we'll, uh, put it back in gear at

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01:17:27,670 --> 01:17:30,190
us. 7C, we have a presentation from the City Manager

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01:17:30,611 --> 01:17:35,677
with regard to his update. Thank you Mayor and through

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01:17:35,677 --> 01:17:38,557
you. I'll bring a brief city manager's update. It's the

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01:17:38,557 --> 01:17:40,957
last or the second meeting of the month of which

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01:17:40,957 --> 01:17:45,470
I do every month for council. Highlights for the month

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01:17:46,131 --> 01:17:48,670
thus far. So highlights July has been a busy month.

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01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:51,630
Um, our bullet points on this slide speak to Camp

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01:17:51,670 --> 01:17:54,750
Tom and sports camps are well underway. They're all at

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01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:57,630
full capacity and we made it full capacity over the

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01:17:57,651 --> 01:18:01,310
summer. Our Canada Day celebrations took place at Kelso Beach

1210
01:18:01,350 --> 01:18:04,690
at Naywash Park. It was a hugely successful. A lot

1211
01:18:04,690 --> 01:18:08,590
of great feedback on Owen Sound's first drone show. Doors

1212
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:10,990
open Owen Sound took place July 18th. We had a

1213
01:18:10,990 --> 01:18:14,750
very strong turnout to the locations that participated in that.

1214
01:18:14,750 --> 01:18:17,710
They got to explore the city's history. Architecture and cultural

1215
01:18:17,891 --> 01:18:21,150
landmarks. T. D. Harbour nights in midweek music have been

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01:18:21,150 --> 01:18:24,590
taking place on Sunday and Wednesday evenings and continue to

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01:18:24,590 --> 01:18:29,070
be well supported and attended. Arenas and banquet halls at

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01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:32,270
the city have been very busy over June and July.

1219
01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:35,550
And we're hosting the lacrosse tournament, graduations, proms and more.

1220
01:18:35,550 --> 01:18:39,126
Just some of the events happening around. We have multiple

1221
01:18:39,227 --> 01:18:42,326
community improvement playing grants that have been approved to various

1222
01:18:42,587 --> 01:18:46,166
properties throughout the harbour and river district areas. We have

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01:18:46,507 --> 01:18:50,726
the online survey for the park renaming at 823 5th

1224
01:18:50,726 --> 01:18:53,686
Avenue East is now open at our City. Owen Sound.

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01:18:53,707 --> 01:18:56,786
ca where the public can rank the names provided. The

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01:18:56,786 --> 01:18:59,046
survey is open until the end of August. So another

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01:18:59,067 --> 01:19:03,183
four weeks. The Owen Heights and Commerette Park Playground Replacements

1228
01:19:03,524 --> 01:19:05,743
are complete. The new playground equipments open for the public

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01:19:05,844 --> 01:19:08,463
to enjoy. I know we've gotten some emails from public

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01:19:08,503 --> 01:19:12,383
members public in those neighbourhoods really appreciate in the new

1231
01:19:12,404 --> 01:19:16,421
playground equipment. Multiple Road Construction Projects are underway throughout the

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01:19:16,461 --> 01:19:21,381
city. We know these causes this causes temporary traffic disruptions.

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01:19:21,381 --> 01:19:23,541
Uh, we thank everybody for your patience as these works

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01:19:23,562 --> 01:19:26,981
are completed. I guess we are continually in a two

1235
01:19:27,021 --> 01:19:29,141
seasons here. Winter and construction and we're in the construction

1236
01:19:29,562 --> 01:19:33,115
season right now. The Farmers Market Public Washroom Project has

1237
01:19:33,155 --> 01:19:36,555
been completed. It is open for the public use. However,

1238
01:19:36,595 --> 01:19:38,875
there are some minor finishing touches that will be added

1239
01:19:38,896 --> 01:19:41,315
in the coming weeks and that includes some signage, et

1240
01:19:41,315 --> 01:19:47,513
cetera. The 2026 municipal election is coming up. And, uh,

1241
01:19:47,554 --> 01:19:49,853
this slide really is just for, if you're interested in

1242
01:19:49,853 --> 01:19:53,293
being a candidate nominations are now open and packages can

1243
01:19:53,293 --> 01:19:57,213
be filed through August 21st at 2 p. m. So

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01:19:57,234 --> 01:20:00,333
August 21st, 2 p. m. is the cutoff for more

1245
01:20:00,373 --> 01:20:05,278
information. Please visit Owen Soundvotes. ca. In addition to that,

1246
01:20:05,939 --> 01:20:07,678
if you want to make sure you're on the Voters

1247
01:20:07,718 --> 01:20:09,518
list, you might be new to the city or new

1248
01:20:09,539 --> 01:20:13,678
to voting in this Coming Municipal election to confirm, register,

1249
01:20:13,718 --> 01:20:18,398
amend your information. Please register to vote o n. ca.

1250
01:20:18,398 --> 01:20:20,718
So that's not a city website. That is a provincial

1251
01:20:20,718 --> 01:20:23,998
website. Register to vote owen. ca. And you need to

1252
01:20:23,998 --> 01:20:27,462
do that by August 12th of this year. Looking at

1253
01:20:27,563 --> 01:20:31,062
our upcoming Committee meetings for September. September 12th is the

1254
01:20:31,083 --> 01:20:34,182
Tom Thompson Art Gallery Advisory Committee. We'll have an Art

1255
01:20:34,203 --> 01:20:43,033
Gallery September update report. Service review implementation ad hoc committee

1256
01:20:43,073 --> 01:20:45,833
is scheduled for Wednesday, September 9th. We'll have a report

1257
01:20:45,934 --> 01:20:49,673
through that on revenue and KPIs. Park Service levels that's

1258
01:20:49,713 --> 01:20:52,793
been ongoing. We've been touching various services within that large

1259
01:20:52,814 --> 01:20:56,473
group. This one will be horticulture. We have a winter

1260
01:20:56,473 --> 01:20:59,193
maintenance review. And then also a service review summary report

1261
01:20:59,193 --> 01:21:01,273
of what's been going on with service review over the

1262
01:21:01,313 --> 01:21:06,584
past few years. Our Corporate Services Committee Thursday, September 10th.

1263
01:21:06,584 --> 01:21:08,984
We have two report scheduled right now. The Reserve Fund

1264
01:21:08,984 --> 01:21:14,143
Policy Update and the 2025 Financial Audit. The Community Services

1265
01:21:14,164 --> 01:21:16,943
Committee is scheduled for Wednesday, September 23rd. We have an

1266
01:21:17,124 --> 01:21:21,743
ICE allocation policy. It's a kickoff report, Community Ambassador Program

1267
01:21:22,084 --> 01:21:27,224
update. And the Owen Sound Minor Baseball Agreement. Our operations

1268
01:21:27,405 --> 01:21:30,664
Committee meets Thursday, September 24th. There's only one report right

1269
01:21:30,664 --> 01:21:33,624
now scheduled for that. The water supply outside the municipal

1270
01:21:33,645 --> 01:21:38,019
boundary. And then finally, in case you have missed it,

1271
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,979
there are opportunities through our media advisories throughout the month

1272
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,859
that are happening. These are from June 10th to through

1273
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,699
July 19th. If you've missed any of that, Owen Sound.

1274
01:21:49,739 --> 01:21:53,059
ca slash news. All of those media advisories are aggregated

1275
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,939
into this one place so you can easily go to

1276
01:21:55,939 --> 01:21:58,659
that one site, click on the links and read about

1277
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,569
various happenings around the city. And then lastly, we always

1278
01:22:02,670 --> 01:22:05,049
invite everybody to stay connected. We have a number of

1279
01:22:05,089 --> 01:22:09,609
websites. The Owensound. ca, the City's main website, ourcity. Owen

1280
01:22:09,630 --> 01:22:14,729
Sound. ca has planning information surveys, et cetera. Owen Sound.

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01:22:14,769 --> 01:22:18,997
ca, report a concern. And then, uh, other websites, Owen

1282
01:22:18,997 --> 01:22:23,877
Soundriverdistrict. ca and own SoundTourism. ca, both excellent locations to

1283
01:22:23,877 --> 01:22:26,037
get calendar of events and things going on in the

1284
01:22:26,077 --> 01:22:28,517
downtown and around the city in general. That concludes my

1285
01:22:28,557 --> 01:22:34,461
report, Mayor. Thanks. Any questions. Seeing none move to number

1286
01:22:34,562 --> 01:22:40,794
eight in our agenda public forum. Anyone wish to take

1287
01:22:40,794 --> 01:22:47,578
the microphone. Andre, just before you go. Your campaigning. This

1288
01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:51,028
is not the opportunity to campaign. The rest of us

1289
01:22:51,049 --> 01:22:55,828
have got rules that were not to use public city

1290
01:22:56,249 --> 01:23:00,843
facilities for campaigning. We didn't see a before there was

1291
01:23:00,843 --> 01:23:08,844
election. Now you're here every meeting. Go ahead. Andres Vojin

1292
01:23:08,844 --> 01:23:11,564
from Owen Sound. Thank you for the work that went

1293
01:23:11,604 --> 01:23:14,284
into that pilot. It showed that civilian responders can provide

1294
01:23:14,545 --> 01:23:18,044
useful help and lower risk situations where police powers are

1295
01:23:18,145 --> 01:23:21,484
unnecessary. The weakness was the structure. The five - month

1296
01:23:21,484 --> 01:23:26,044
pilot cost 160, 000 with large share going to administration.

1297
01:23:26,044 --> 01:23:28,764
It operated mainly as an added outreach service. And it

1298
01:23:28,804 --> 01:23:31,644
didn't clearly measure how many police calls or officer hours

1299
01:23:31,665 --> 01:23:35,084
were actually avoided. Council could consider a leaner 12 -

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01:23:35,084 --> 01:23:38,764
week pilot using part - time responders existing supervision and

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01:23:38,785 --> 01:23:42,604
direct referrals through Owen Sound's Emergency Communications Centre. That could

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01:23:42,644 --> 01:23:46,444
lower administrative costs while sending suitable mental health wellness and

1303
01:23:46,484 --> 01:23:50,481
de - escalation calls to less expensive civilian responders. Residents

1304
01:23:50,521 --> 01:23:53,041
could receive faster and more appropriate help while police remain

1305
01:23:53,081 --> 01:23:56,561
focused on crime and emergencies by measuring police hours avoided

1306
01:23:56,742 --> 01:24:00,241
and applying zero - based budgeting council could determine whether

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01:24:00,342 --> 01:24:03,441
the program can reduce over time avoid future hiring and

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01:24:03,481 --> 01:24:07,441
help bring police costs under control. And I just want

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01:24:07,441 --> 01:24:10,961
to be of the greatest service I can in whatever

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01:24:11,062 --> 01:24:16,374
endeavour I'm involved in. I love you all unconditionally. Thank

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01:24:16,374 --> 01:24:21,340
you for your time. Campaigning. Thank you. Anyone else? Richard.

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01:24:25,585 --> 01:24:32,100
Anyone else wished to speak to the microphone. I'm Anne

1313
01:24:32,140 --> 01:24:34,740
Finley Stewart. I live in Owen Sound. And I have

1314
01:24:34,780 --> 01:24:37,620
two things to say. First is that in 2007 I

1315
01:24:37,620 --> 01:24:40,140
was on the founding board of Safe and Sound. So

1316
01:24:40,140 --> 01:24:42,740
anybody thinks this is a new problem. We had it

1317
01:24:42,780 --> 01:24:46,340
then because the Salvation Army men shelter closed and we

1318
01:24:46,380 --> 01:24:48,580
were determined that people would not freeze to death on

1319
01:24:48,620 --> 01:24:51,540
the street. And that's where Safe and Sound began. That's

1320
01:24:51,580 --> 01:24:55,940
number one. Number two. So yeah, and they didn't all

1321
01:24:55,980 --> 01:24:59,136
come from everywhere else. They were our boys. And we

1322
01:24:59,957 --> 01:25:02,816
still have nothing for men. Um, but number two was

1323
01:25:03,797 --> 01:25:05,856
about, I know you've taken a lot of grief on

1324
01:25:05,957 --> 01:25:08,416
social media and I don't intend to pile on there

1325
01:25:08,597 --> 01:25:12,416
about the, um, the litter and the garbage and the

1326
01:25:12,456 --> 01:25:14,656
public receptacles. But I do have a question that I

1327
01:25:14,696 --> 01:25:16,476
haven't been able to find an answer to yet. And

1328
01:25:16,476 --> 01:25:20,576
that is when I pick up garbage that is identifiable.

1329
01:25:20,576 --> 01:25:22,896
When I'm picking up litter and there's something with somebody's

1330
01:25:22,936 --> 01:25:25,216
name on it, which I do all the time. Things

1331
01:25:25,216 --> 01:25:27,216
blow out of people's recycling and they have their names

1332
01:25:27,256 --> 01:25:31,696
on them. I've picked up pill bottles, prescriptions, envelopes, packages,

1333
01:25:31,696 --> 01:25:33,856
all kinds of things. And I don't want to pay

1334
01:25:34,197 --> 01:25:35,856
to get rid of them. So I put them in

1335
01:25:35,896 --> 01:25:39,376
a public garbage. Am I in fact causing a problem

1336
01:25:39,637 --> 01:25:43,556
for somebody else. Am I by putting that back in

1337
01:25:43,556 --> 01:25:47,347
the garbage. That I found on the street? Am I

1338
01:25:47,448 --> 01:25:55,798
guilty of the problem? I didn't steal that box out

1339
01:25:55,798 --> 01:25:58,678
of the woman's recycling. But I just want to know

1340
01:25:59,819 --> 01:26:02,358
if I throw these things out. Who is actually responsible.

1341
01:26:04,608 --> 01:26:07,867
I would suspect that bylaw would do an investigation and

1342
01:26:07,907 --> 01:26:10,107
to determine what they can determine based on the evidence

1343
01:26:10,147 --> 01:26:16,344
that they collect. So I could be responsible for throwing

1344
01:26:16,605 --> 01:26:19,384
garbage out in a public receptacle that belonged to somebody

1345
01:26:19,485 --> 01:26:22,504
else. Because I did it. And number two, they could

1346
01:26:22,504 --> 01:26:27,237
be responsible because I did it. Would that be accurate.

1347
01:26:28,376 --> 01:26:30,995
You would potentially be part of the evidence, wouldn't you?

1348
01:26:30,995 --> 01:26:33,221
You're a statement would be part of the evidence. Yeah.

1349
01:26:33,242 --> 01:26:35,941
So I think the bylaw needs to be revisited. That's

1350
01:26:35,941 --> 01:26:43,177
all. Thank you. Number nine correspondents receipt for rich direction

1351
01:26:43,177 --> 01:26:46,297
of Council is required correspondence from the Chief Librarian CEO

1352
01:26:46,398 --> 01:26:51,097
of Own Sound and North Grey, Union Public Library with

1353
01:26:51,198 --> 01:26:53,897
regard to a five - year review of the 2022

1354
01:26:54,398 --> 01:27:02,861
to 2031 agreement. Go to you, Branna. Through you your

1355
01:27:02,861 --> 01:27:04,861
worship, the Public Library Agreement is for a period of

1356
01:27:04,901 --> 01:27:08,861
10 years. It began in 2022 and goes until 2031.

1357
01:27:08,861 --> 01:27:10,861
Now that it is halfway through the agreement, the library

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01:27:10,861 --> 01:27:13,261
is hosting your review meeting on Thursday, September 10th at

1359
01:27:13,362 --> 01:27:16,621
7 p. m. in the library auditorium. They are requesting

1360
01:27:16,621 --> 01:27:19,901
that Representatives from each member municipality attend the meeting and

1361
01:27:19,941 --> 01:27:21,261
are looking for the names of those who will be

1362
01:27:21,282 --> 01:27:24,541
attending. Up on the screen is a draft motion directing

1363
01:27:24,581 --> 01:27:27,741
staff to notify the library of the Owen Sound attendees.

1364
01:27:27,741 --> 01:27:29,661
We just need the names of the Council Members to

1365
01:27:29,701 --> 01:27:32,461
add to the motion. I will note that this meeting

1366
01:27:32,501 --> 01:27:34,941
is on the same evening as the Corporate Services Committee

1367
01:27:34,941 --> 01:27:37,021
meeting. And we need to make sure that there isn't

1368
01:27:37,042 --> 01:27:39,981
a quorum of council that attends the library meeting. With

1369
01:27:40,002 --> 01:27:41,781
that, I will let council discuss who was able to

1370
01:27:41,922 --> 01:27:44,221
attend the meeting on the 10th and move the motion

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01:27:44,221 --> 01:27:50,482
on the screen. Who wishes to attend. Councillor Koepke's put

1372
01:27:50,482 --> 01:27:58,072
her hand up anyone else? Yeah? No. Peers be Councillor

1373
01:27:58,093 --> 01:28:04,849
Koepke. Like in the tender, I only had a question

1374
01:28:05,190 --> 01:28:09,009
pertaining to the lame duck period. If that had any,

1375
01:28:09,009 --> 01:28:17,393
um, impact on this corresponds whatsoever. Councillors are able to

1376
01:28:17,433 --> 01:28:22,809
attend this type of meeting during Lame Duck. Okay. So

1377
01:28:24,270 --> 01:28:28,172
Councillor Koepke has said yes. Deputy Mayor Gregett said yes.

1378
01:28:28,172 --> 01:28:34,617
Does anyone else? Councillor Farmer said yes. Just let me

1379
01:28:34,617 --> 01:28:40,687
finish then. Uh, anyone else. I'll move that in consideration

1380
01:28:40,948 --> 01:28:44,367
of correspondence received July 27th, 2026 from the Owen Sound

1381
01:28:44,407 --> 01:28:47,727
in North Grey Union Public Library. Chief Librarian CEO respecting

1382
01:28:47,908 --> 01:28:50,687
a five - year review of the 2022 to 2031

1383
01:28:51,348 --> 01:28:55,327
OSNG UPL agreement. City Council Direct staff to notify the

1384
01:28:55,348 --> 01:28:59,167
OSNG UPL that councillors Kepke and Deputy Mayor Greg will

1385
01:28:59,207 --> 01:29:01,887
attend the review meeting on behalf of the city. Thank

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01:29:01,887 --> 01:29:06,863
you. All in favor. And that is carried. Thanks Brianna.

1387
01:29:08,736 --> 01:29:13,275
Uh, number 10 reports from City staff at 10A report

1388
01:29:13,275 --> 01:29:17,675
from Ms. Coulter with regard to the zoning bylaw amendment,

1389
01:29:17,675 --> 01:29:21,407
which I think we just heard a while ago. Thank

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01:29:21,447 --> 01:29:24,527
you. Worship as required by the Planning Act. Zoning amendments

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01:29:24,567 --> 01:29:27,487
must conform with the provincial planning statement and consider the

1392
01:29:27,527 --> 01:29:31,647
goals objectives and policies of the city's official plan and

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01:29:31,687 --> 01:29:36,847
also land use compatibility. The technical report describes four council

1394
01:29:36,887 --> 01:29:39,887
in the Community, the subject property, the proposed amendment to

1395
01:29:39,908 --> 01:29:42,927
permit the semi - de - touch dwelling and really

1396
01:29:42,967 --> 01:29:45,807
outlines the policies of the PPS and the official plan

1397
01:29:45,847 --> 01:29:49,007
that will be relevant to council's consideration of the matter

1398
01:29:49,348 --> 01:29:54,287
when the recommendation report comes forward. The recommendation is that

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01:29:54,548 --> 01:29:57,887
Council would just continue to process the application in accordance

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01:29:57,887 --> 01:30:02,438
with the planning act. Questions, motions. The traves. Thank you

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01:30:02,539 --> 01:30:08,579
worship. I'd move the recommendation. Just like to make a

1402
01:30:08,579 --> 01:30:10,899
comment, you worship. This is likely the last time I'll

1403
01:30:10,939 --> 01:30:15,219
have an opportunity to publicly thank the developer for all

1404
01:30:15,259 --> 01:30:17,539
the work that he does around on Sound in cleaning

1405
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:21,299
up buildings and making them more presentable. And it certainly

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01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:27,513
appreciated. Okay. Any other comments? Seeing none, I'll call the

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01:30:27,513 --> 01:30:34,217
question on favor. That is carried. Uh, 10 B, a

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01:30:34,217 --> 01:30:37,057
report from the manager of public works and engineering with

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01:30:37,097 --> 01:30:41,037
regard to Grey County Urban Road transfer update. There you

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01:30:41,037 --> 01:30:50,474
are. Uh, good evening Mayor and Council. Um,

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01:30:51,935 --> 01:30:54,374
our first, my first report this evening is the, uh,

1412
01:30:54,975 --> 01:30:58,154
Grey County Urban Road Transfer Update, uh, that a consideration

1413
01:30:58,194 --> 01:31:02,154
of staff report OP - 26041 respecting the update on

1414
01:31:02,194 --> 01:31:05,034
the Grey County Road Urban Transfer, the Stealth received for

1415
01:31:05,034 --> 01:31:08,074
information. Uh, so this is following staff's report we brought

1416
01:31:08,074 --> 01:31:12,444
forward at the Special Counsel meeting on March 2nd. Just

1417
01:31:12,444 --> 01:31:17,484
with some updates. Excuse me. Um, on where the county

1418
01:31:17,524 --> 01:31:24,392
task force and county Council have gone. Uh, Grey County

1419
01:31:24,413 --> 01:31:27,432
Council Committee of the Whole passe of motion for the

1420
01:31:27,453 --> 01:31:31,592
enhanced version B framework on June 25th of this year.

1421
01:31:31,592 --> 01:31:33,672
Uh, Later Ocean being adopted and improved the minutes at

1422
01:31:33,672 --> 01:31:37,413
the July 9th meeting. Version B, what this means for

1423
01:31:37,594 --> 01:31:40,533
the City. Uh, so this is an effective transfer date

1424
01:31:40,533 --> 01:31:43,733
of June 1st, 2027. Uh, we have a 10 -

1425
01:31:43,733 --> 01:31:48,766
year transitional funding model. That we're moving through, including five

1426
01:31:48,806 --> 01:31:52,966
years of declining operational funding. Minor traffic signal funding, development

1427
01:31:53,006 --> 01:31:58,910
charge transfers. And a commitment to share data relevant to

1428
01:31:58,950 --> 01:32:03,931
the transfer. Um, so the financial supports outlined version B

1429
01:32:04,112 --> 01:32:10,091
plus breakdown generally to 11. 26 million in transitional funding

1430
01:32:10,091 --> 01:32:13,051
over the 10 - year period. 3. 3 million development

1431
01:32:13,072 --> 01:32:21,511
charge. Uh, transfers over one time. Uh, 23, 1000, PAYDOR

1432
01:32:21,551 --> 01:32:25,671
five years to help offset winter maintenance and other operational

1433
01:32:25,692 --> 01:32:31,629
costs. 183, 000 or five years to help with traffic

1434
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:36,669
light costs and a 269, 000 one - time cost

1435
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:39,709
for capital projects, uh, which could be included in the

1436
01:32:39,890 --> 01:32:41,549
Harrison Park Hill, as we all know, needs some work.

1437
01:32:42,670 --> 01:32:48,329
Um, staff of BYU. Some of the key items that

1438
01:32:48,430 --> 01:32:51,209
we'll be reviewing here in the next several months are

1439
01:32:51,249 --> 01:32:54,249
review and negotiate the transfer agreements, completing assessment. And final

1440
01:32:55,070 --> 01:32:59,215
due diligence. For the assets will be collecting. Undertake a

1441
01:32:59,796 --> 01:33:03,935
service delivery review, update our 2027 budget and long -

1442
01:33:03,935 --> 01:33:07,535
term capital plan, review the impacts of our 2027 and

1443
01:33:07,535 --> 01:33:12,303
ongoing operating budget. Review existing contracts and service agreements we

1444
01:33:12,303 --> 01:33:15,503
have with third - party vendors, update asset management, lifecycle

1445
01:33:15,503 --> 01:33:21,313
planning, and return back to Council with Farther updates. Um,

1446
01:33:21,313 --> 01:33:22,993
I think that's the best I could do for a

1447
01:33:22,993 --> 01:33:24,433
highlight through this. If you have any questions, be happy

1448
01:33:24,473 --> 01:33:28,024
to answer them. Okay, there are any questions. Councillor Farmer.

1449
01:33:29,343 --> 01:33:32,602
Uh, through the Mayor, two questions. Um, one initially, when

1450
01:33:32,602 --> 01:33:35,402
we spoke about this, there were concerns about the quality

1451
01:33:35,402 --> 01:33:37,962
of the data for each of the assets that we

1452
01:33:38,943 --> 01:33:43,125
were receiving from the county. Where our staff now at

1453
01:33:43,125 --> 01:33:46,325
a scale of still really worried to super confident that

1454
01:33:46,365 --> 01:33:49,925
you've got all the information you need. And will you

1455
01:33:49,925 --> 01:33:51,765
get all the way to the end before we own

1456
01:33:51,765 --> 01:33:55,973
these things? Uh, the gap is definitely narrowing. We have

1457
01:33:56,013 --> 01:33:58,213
received a little bit more information. And the county continues

1458
01:33:58,253 --> 01:34:01,493
to, um, committing us everything we need prior to the

1459
01:34:01,514 --> 01:34:07,557
transfer date next year. And a separate question. To what

1460
01:34:07,597 --> 01:34:11,477
extent does ownership over these roads and traffic signals make

1461
01:34:11,517 --> 01:34:14,437
it possible for us to update signalization and movement patterns

1462
01:34:14,698 --> 01:34:19,042
to improve walkability or traffic flow. And how soon can

1463
01:34:19,082 --> 01:34:22,896
we start to do that? Great question through your mayor.

1464
01:34:22,896 --> 01:34:26,496
Um, currently there is a combined traffic timing and single

1465
01:34:26,517 --> 01:34:28,016
plan for all lights and all itself now sound, including

1466
01:34:28,016 --> 01:34:31,616
the county ones. So we'll have a negligible impact. Like

1467
01:34:31,717 --> 01:34:34,176
owning these lights rather than just, uh, helping with the

1468
01:34:34,176 --> 01:34:39,587
operation of them. Good for you, John. Yep. Yep. Okay.

1469
01:34:39,688 --> 01:34:48,848
Carol. Through you mayor. We've heard. That currently staff have

1470
01:34:49,349 --> 01:34:53,586
huge workloads. When I look at this report in all

1471
01:34:53,586 --> 01:34:57,106
of the work that's entailed, I have to ask the

1472
01:34:57,106 --> 01:35:01,636
question. How can this amount of workload be absorbed as

1473
01:35:01,897 --> 01:35:05,796
an additional loading on staff? It looks like a project

1474
01:35:06,937 --> 01:35:10,676
and is there a project lead? Who will, who will

1475
01:35:10,676 --> 01:35:14,243
take this forward, coordinate everything. Because this is a lot

1476
01:35:14,584 --> 01:35:19,123
of work on staff that are already carrying heavy workloads.

1477
01:35:19,123 --> 01:35:21,683
So I'm not sure if you can answer that or

1478
01:35:21,683 --> 01:35:23,683
if I should look to my left to the city

1479
01:35:23,723 --> 01:35:31,199
manager. Three, you mayor to Councillor Merton. You were always

1480
01:35:31,220 --> 01:35:33,599
cognizant of workload with staff. Uh, this is a major

1481
01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:38,799
project. Mason and team have taken the lead on it.

1482
01:35:38,799 --> 01:35:41,879
Uh, I guess officially unofficially. Um, however you'd want to

1483
01:35:41,879 --> 01:35:45,121
look at it. We have had conversations about the quantity

1484
01:35:45,121 --> 01:35:47,201
of work that's going to be required between now and

1485
01:35:47,222 --> 01:35:50,721
when the agreements come forward and staff are looking at

1486
01:35:51,222 --> 01:35:54,401
other elements of what, what projects are on their plate,

1487
01:35:54,401 --> 01:35:58,241
et cetera. Some things through future updates might come back

1488
01:35:58,342 --> 01:36:01,841
to say something has been delayed a few months depending

1489
01:36:01,841 --> 01:36:04,001
on how the flow of information comes. And that's one

1490
01:36:04,041 --> 01:36:05,601
of the things that we can't really put our finger

1491
01:36:05,702 --> 01:36:08,241
on. It's not as if we have a basket of

1492
01:36:08,281 --> 01:36:11,041
information today to start working with. So as the information

1493
01:36:11,222 --> 01:36:15,971
flows in. Um, it all, it'll take priority or precedent

1494
01:36:16,152 --> 01:36:18,131
as needed as we move forward. And there might be

1495
01:36:18,312 --> 01:36:22,211
small amounts of work surge time involved with this project.

1496
01:36:22,211 --> 01:36:23,891
And then it will ease back a little bit. And

1497
01:36:23,891 --> 01:36:26,211
then another work surge. But we'll try to manage that.

1498
01:36:26,211 --> 01:36:27,971
We always try to manage that as best as possible.

1499
01:36:28,818 --> 01:36:33,202
Okay. Looking this way. Go ahead. Just a quick question.

1500
01:36:33,202 --> 01:36:34,882
And I could ask it now or in the multi

1501
01:36:34,922 --> 01:36:38,242
- year capital plan. But in 2027, there's a 620,

1502
01:36:38,282 --> 01:36:42,322
000 dollar line item for 2nd Avenue west from 10th

1503
01:36:42,362 --> 01:36:46,402
Street north to 14th Street. How are you incorporating that

1504
01:36:46,663 --> 01:36:52,194
project into this, into the agreement. And aligning it with

1505
01:36:52,194 --> 01:36:54,114
the fact that 4th Avenue West is going to be

1506
01:36:54,455 --> 01:36:58,354
under reconstruction the whole year. Um, in terms of projecting

1507
01:36:58,695 --> 01:37:02,514
out for traffic patterns and what's doable. Because that would

1508
01:37:02,554 --> 01:37:06,514
seem to be, um, a real outlier, that project there

1509
01:37:06,615 --> 01:37:11,243
on our plans. Um, you're correct. That number was carried

1510
01:37:11,424 --> 01:37:14,603
in our budget. Um, as Briar to a commitment we

1511
01:37:14,624 --> 01:37:19,723
made through the development process with the former BCK property.

1512
01:37:19,723 --> 01:37:22,283
Um, we will have to look into that on how

1513
01:37:22,304 --> 01:37:24,123
we're best going to achieve that now that there'll be

1514
01:37:24,123 --> 01:37:26,683
a city primary project instead of being led by the

1515
01:37:26,723 --> 01:37:28,603
county. And I think those are some things we'll have

1516
01:37:28,603 --> 01:37:33,956
to answer back to Counselon. Okay. I think I need

1517
01:37:34,057 --> 01:37:40,446
a motion. Councillor Middleborough. I'll move the recommendation to receive.

1518
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:46,689
Okay. Any questions cover them all. I'll call the question

1519
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:52,708
all in favor. That has carried. Don't go away, Mason.

1520
01:37:52,708 --> 01:37:56,548
Next public works in engineering, superior street water, main replacement.

1521
01:37:59,272 --> 01:38:01,411
Thank you, Mayor. Uh, so my next report here is

1522
01:38:01,752 --> 01:38:06,451
that in consideration of staff report, OP - 26040, respecting

1523
01:38:06,491 --> 01:38:09,811
the superior street water main replacement project, City Council proved

1524
01:38:09,912 --> 01:38:13,171
project budget increase of 75, 000, including non - refundable

1525
01:38:13,192 --> 01:38:16,771
HST and authorized the purchasing agent to execute contract change

1526
01:38:16,872 --> 01:38:20,931
orders for the replacement of water mains of the ninth

1527
01:38:20,931 --> 01:38:23,971
Avenue of Hatian Project to the new water main completed

1528
01:38:24,011 --> 01:38:26,851
during the 6th Street East Phase 2 water main looping

1529
01:38:26,891 --> 01:38:31,598
project. Um, so this section of severe street has 190

1530
01:38:31,638 --> 01:38:36,238
metres of aging cast iron. Um, God is a history

1531
01:38:36,278 --> 01:38:39,758
of breaks. Our water team has a history of having

1532
01:38:39,859 --> 01:38:42,318
to deal with numerous issues on that between breaks and

1533
01:38:42,358 --> 01:38:46,878
flow issues. Um, this work was originally included in the

1534
01:38:47,139 --> 01:38:49,758
ninth Avenue Real Petition Scope. Um, it was removed by

1535
01:38:50,099 --> 01:38:53,278
staff and the consultant as we are concerned by budget

1536
01:38:53,318 --> 01:38:56,238
constraints at the time. Um, and we wanted to have

1537
01:38:56,238 --> 01:38:58,478
a healthy contingency to be able to complete all the

1538
01:38:58,478 --> 01:39:02,878
work on Ninth Avenue. Um, pricing for ninth Avenue came

1539
01:39:03,059 --> 01:39:06,718
in competitive and we have a healthy contingency moving forward.

1540
01:39:06,718 --> 01:39:10,318
Um, so we would like to change the scope back

1541
01:39:10,659 --> 01:39:15,130
and into include this work. Um, as of last Friday,

1542
01:39:15,130 --> 01:39:18,730
the project has a proximity 480, 000 remaining in our

1543
01:39:18,730 --> 01:39:23,610
contingency. Um, of the original 530 Contigency Allowance, we have

1544
01:39:24,271 --> 01:39:29,530
approximately 125, 600 dollars on anticipate extra cost currently on

1545
01:39:29,530 --> 01:39:32,010
the books that I'm not currently come through and change

1546
01:39:32,050 --> 01:39:37,770
orders. These are, um, predominantly due to the increase in,

1547
01:39:37,770 --> 01:39:43,130
uh, for asphalt. So based on OPS 100, if the

1548
01:39:43,170 --> 01:39:47,370
price of asphalt goes up, um, the cost goes up

1549
01:39:47,391 --> 01:39:49,130
per game price. So that's where a lot of those

1550
01:39:49,311 --> 01:39:52,730
extras will be born currently. Um, the quote we have

1551
01:39:52,751 --> 01:39:56,650
from EC King to complete the work is 316, 000.

1552
01:39:56,650 --> 01:40:01,370
Um, that will include contract administration services by the engineering.

1553
01:40:01,370 --> 01:40:05,210
Bring into a total estimate of 442, 000. So while

1554
01:40:05,250 --> 01:40:09,210
within the remaining budget, we have left within the project.

1555
01:40:09,210 --> 01:40:13,450
Staff have asked, we include a 75, 000 dollar from

1556
01:40:13,450 --> 01:40:15,770
the water reserve just to ensure that if any other

1557
01:40:15,871 --> 01:40:18,250
incidental has come up while finishing the project, we will

1558
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:22,174
be in good shape. Hi, Patrick answered any questions of

1559
01:40:22,174 --> 01:40:26,283
anyone has any. Council Farmer. To the mayor, I'd like

1560
01:40:26,283 --> 01:40:28,043
to put the motion on the floor. I think it

1561
01:40:28,064 --> 01:40:30,443
makes sense. Uh, if we have an opportunity to remove

1562
01:40:30,544 --> 01:40:33,323
a known liability while we have contractors mobilised to the

1563
01:40:33,323 --> 01:40:36,843
site, it's an example to me of appropriate spending isn't

1564
01:40:36,864 --> 01:40:39,963
just like spending the smallest amount. It's also spending money

1565
01:40:40,144 --> 01:40:43,243
that gives you the biggest return over the longest period.

1566
01:40:43,243 --> 01:40:45,803
And maybe it'll even save us money in cathodic protection

1567
01:40:46,064 --> 01:40:52,241
costs. Thank you. Any other comments, councillor. Deputy McGregor. Two

1568
01:40:52,241 --> 01:40:55,461
questions. Or yeah, two questions. Couldn't disagree whatsoever with those

1569
01:40:55,562 --> 01:41:01,941
comments. Questions being the additional engineering and geotechnical cost estimated

1570
01:41:02,522 --> 01:41:06,181
almost 55, 000 are a little outside of the standard

1571
01:41:06,221 --> 01:41:09,301
10 to 15 percent. So is there additional complexities here

1572
01:41:09,301 --> 01:41:11,781
that we should be aware of as to why we're

1573
01:41:11,802 --> 01:41:16,421
budgeting that much additional for engineering? And part two is

1574
01:41:16,522 --> 01:41:20,341
instead of funding it all from water reserves because we

1575
01:41:20,341 --> 01:41:26,452
are upsizing the waterline from its existing 15 centimeter. Do

1576
01:41:26,492 --> 01:41:29,572
we get an opportunity to apply any DCs to that

1577
01:41:29,833 --> 01:41:35,090
growth. That we're building up to? Through Mayor, I'll answer

1578
01:41:35,111 --> 01:41:38,910
the engineering question first and then I'll defer over. Um,

1579
01:41:39,031 --> 01:41:43,170
so in this section, we are anticipating encountering bedrocks with

1580
01:41:43,170 --> 01:41:46,610
us, the geotechnical, which has increased the cost for that

1581
01:41:46,791 --> 01:41:49,170
section greater than the 10 to 15 percent like you'd

1582
01:41:49,170 --> 01:41:51,650
expect. So we're going to have to do some due

1583
01:41:51,690 --> 01:41:53,010
diligence to find out where we're going to hit the

1584
01:41:53,010 --> 01:41:57,330
rock. And then there's some bedding and, uh, insulation requirements

1585
01:41:57,370 --> 01:41:58,850
that we're going to be looking into as we move

1586
01:41:58,850 --> 01:42:03,576
forward. But should be well captured in that cost. So

1587
01:42:03,616 --> 01:42:06,115
going forward to Kate. Three of your worship. I don't

1588
01:42:06,115 --> 01:42:08,675
have the balance of the water DC reserve in front

1589
01:42:08,675 --> 01:42:11,955
of me to verify what's available. But however, ninth of

1590
01:42:12,056 --> 01:42:17,395
East and Superior Street, we're already contemplated to utilise development

1591
01:42:17,416 --> 01:42:20,995
charges funding. So certainly if this portion is suitable, we

1592
01:42:21,176 --> 01:42:23,315
can draw a little bit extra for that. Provided there

1593
01:42:23,315 --> 01:42:29,055
are funds in the reserve for that. Okay. Does that

1594
01:42:29,095 --> 01:42:30,895
need to be an amendment and emotion or you've got

1595
01:42:30,895 --> 01:42:33,295
that flexibility? Okay. Be great to use as if we

1596
01:42:33,295 --> 01:42:38,450
have it. And we're upsizing. So. Ms. Allen's indicating that

1597
01:42:38,551 --> 01:42:43,090
yes, there's flexibility. We don't need motion. It's soft microphone.

1598
01:42:43,090 --> 01:42:46,930
Uh, okay. I need someone to move the motion. Oh,

1599
01:42:46,951 --> 01:42:51,598
John did already. Okay. All in favor. That's carried. Thanks.

1600
01:42:54,178 --> 01:42:59,017
Next year of Corporate Services on Sound Police Services, uh,

1601
01:42:59,218 --> 01:43:07,534
facility needs assessment. Hi, Jason. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Members

1602
01:43:07,534 --> 01:43:12,494
of Council. Tonight, I'm presenting report CR - 26071, which

1603
01:43:12,494 --> 01:43:15,694
is a request to authorize a comprehensive facility space needs

1604
01:43:15,715 --> 01:43:18,654
assessment. And business case for the Own Sound Police Service

1605
01:43:18,694 --> 01:43:23,214
building. Under the Community Safety and Policing Act, the municipality

1606
01:43:23,315 --> 01:43:27,374
is legislatively responsible for providing and maintaining adequate police facilities.

1607
01:43:27,992 --> 01:43:30,851
This report is the next step in meeting that responsibility.

1608
01:43:31,935 --> 01:43:36,154
Back in 2023, a facility condition audit by Macintosh Perry

1609
01:43:36,194 --> 01:43:39,194
gave us a good look at the physical building deficiencies,

1610
01:43:39,194 --> 01:43:41,834
like our upcoming 1. 6 million dollar and air handling

1611
01:43:41,935 --> 01:43:45,514
unit replacement and other capital maintenance items in the multi

1612
01:43:45,554 --> 01:43:49,221
- year capital plan. However, that previous audit only looked

1613
01:43:49,261 --> 01:43:52,421
at physical condition. It did not evaluate whether the facility

1614
01:43:52,522 --> 01:43:57,541
actually continues to meet the modern operational staffing legislative accessibility

1615
01:43:57,802 --> 01:44:02,589
and service delivery requirements of our police services. The police

1616
01:44:02,770 --> 01:44:07,389
service board requested this comprehensive review to answer that question.

1617
01:44:07,389 --> 01:44:10,109
The study will provide us with an objective common set

1618
01:44:10,109 --> 01:44:13,149
of data to evaluate all our options. Whether we are

1619
01:44:13,170 --> 01:44:17,149
best served through refurbishment and expansion or a brand new

1620
01:44:17,170 --> 01:44:20,659
purpose - built facility. Turning to the resource alignment in

1621
01:44:20,699 --> 01:44:24,819
financial details, the estimated cost of the study is 100,

1622
01:44:24,859 --> 01:44:31,219
000 dollars. Importantly, no additional tax levy funding is required.

1623
01:44:31,219 --> 01:44:33,299
The budget will be fully funded through a combination of

1624
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:38,259
development charges. The police station facility reserve and one -

1625
01:44:38,259 --> 01:44:41,379
third funding contribution directly from the Owntown Police Service Board

1626
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:47,051
Revenue Reserve. If Council approves the recommendations tonight, staff will

1627
01:44:47,091 --> 01:44:50,571
prepare an issue a competitive request for proposal through our

1628
01:44:50,571 --> 01:44:54,280
purchasing policy later this year. The project team, including the

1629
01:44:54,381 --> 01:44:57,080
City Manager, the chief of police and the Manager of

1630
01:44:57,101 --> 01:45:02,168
Corporate Services will oversee the consultants'work. We anticipate receiving the

1631
01:45:02,269 --> 01:45:04,968
final report in business case early in the next term

1632
01:45:04,989 --> 01:45:08,088
of council, ensuring that the newly elected council has the

1633
01:45:08,128 --> 01:45:11,048
objective data and cost estimates they need to make an

1634
01:45:11,048 --> 01:45:14,963
informed long - term capital decisions. And I'd be happy

1635
01:45:14,963 --> 01:45:18,121
to answer any questions. Council might have. Good. Thank you.

1636
01:45:18,622 --> 01:45:22,441
Questions Councillor Koepke. Not a question you worship. I'll move

1637
01:45:22,441 --> 01:45:30,601
the recommendation. Okay. Comments. Deputy Mayor Greg. Well.

1638
01:45:32,863 --> 01:45:35,402
I'll go first. I think back nine years, and I

1639
01:45:35,442 --> 01:45:37,882
had the old OPP costing in front of me on

1640
01:45:37,922 --> 01:45:45,474
the computer. That costing, I never recall reading a single

1641
01:45:45,575 --> 01:45:49,800
paragraph about a new building being contemplated at all. Through

1642
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:53,480
the Onsen Police Services. Or if the OPP were to

1643
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,200
take over as part of their project. And I know

1644
01:45:56,381 --> 01:45:59,480
early on, uh, or when we had that meeting and

1645
01:45:59,480 --> 01:46:02,420
we made that decision, I think there was hesitants, uh,

1646
01:46:02,621 --> 01:46:05,360
hesitancy to move forward with the OPP costing, because in

1647
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:10,120
the first couple of years, we were absorbing some considerable

1648
01:46:10,381 --> 01:46:13,240
costs on the building as, uh, would have to be

1649
01:46:13,421 --> 01:46:17,948
refurbished for certain elements of what the OPP required. Um,

1650
01:46:18,209 --> 01:46:23,737
but nowhere. Did I ever read the contemplation of a

1651
01:46:23,777 --> 01:46:28,610
new police building? We cannot afford it. We have the

1652
01:46:28,711 --> 01:46:32,210
multi - year capital budget coming up later. There's 34,

1653
01:46:32,210 --> 01:46:34,210
just on our 34 million dollars of unfunded in it.

1654
01:46:35,301 --> 01:46:39,520
There is, well, we haven't even got the urban road

1655
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:42,480
download all captured fully in terms of our long -

1656
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:48,175
term requirements now. We are one of the highest tax

1657
01:46:48,215 --> 01:46:56,497
communities. And in relation to household average household incomes, it

1658
01:46:56,758 --> 01:47:01,617
places us even worse provincially amongst our comparators. We have

1659
01:47:02,118 --> 01:47:07,309
no ability. To be able to absorb a new building.

1660
01:47:07,309 --> 01:47:10,589
So I can't support the motion to expand another 100,

1661
01:47:10,610 --> 01:47:16,189
000 dollars We do have certain reconstruction, refurbishment projects that

1662
01:47:16,370 --> 01:47:19,189
are sprinkled through the multi - year capital plan. We

1663
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:22,509
have since the, since it was moved into, and I

1664
01:47:22,509 --> 01:47:26,989
think in 1999, maybe, uh, was a date in one

1665
01:47:26,989 --> 01:47:31,052
of the reports. It's ongoing. It needs to continue to

1666
01:47:31,092 --> 01:47:34,172
be ongoing. We just had that 2023 study and I

1667
01:47:34,172 --> 01:47:37,612
cannot support another 100, 000 dollars to provide us more

1668
01:47:37,612 --> 01:47:43,132
information potentially for a new building that we know municipally,

1669
01:47:43,132 --> 01:47:45,832
we cannot afford in our tax base anyway. So, um,

1670
01:47:45,832 --> 01:47:53,452
I'm opposed to it. Um, this, this actual request even

1671
01:47:53,713 --> 01:47:56,892
has me inquiring or wishing to inquire more so to

1672
01:47:56,913 --> 01:48:00,172
align ourselves with Sarnia, who recently is just, I think,

1673
01:48:00,172 --> 01:48:02,892
uh, been public about their desire to look for an

1674
01:48:02,932 --> 01:48:05,612
OPP costing once again, because of the desire for a

1675
01:48:05,612 --> 01:48:09,532
new police building in Sarnia that they also cannot afford

1676
01:48:09,713 --> 01:48:19,153
in today's times. Thank you through the

1677
01:48:19,174 --> 01:48:22,673
mayor. My first instinct is to support the recommendation in

1678
01:48:22,713 --> 01:48:24,513
the report. I think that if we've got funding from

1679
01:48:24,513 --> 01:48:27,953
the reserves, if the one third, one third opportunity for

1680
01:48:27,993 --> 01:48:31,153
us to get to a place where we, we have

1681
01:48:31,193 --> 01:48:34,273
a more robust set of data that says not just

1682
01:48:34,774 --> 01:48:37,233
what's falling apart or moldy that we need to fix,

1683
01:48:37,233 --> 01:48:40,273
but also how does this fit for the long, how

1684
01:48:40,273 --> 01:48:42,913
does this facility help us to provide what is a

1685
01:48:42,953 --> 01:48:47,073
legislated core service for the long - term of this

1686
01:48:47,094 --> 01:48:50,913
community that is growing if we build every unit of

1687
01:48:51,014 --> 01:48:53,053
what, 3, 000 plus units that are somewhere in the

1688
01:48:53,094 --> 01:48:55,953
development pipeline. We're going to have more people. We already

1689
01:48:55,993 --> 01:49:02,751
hear routinely from the OSPS. That they would appreciate having

1690
01:49:02,791 --> 01:49:06,462
more people to provide more service. We certainly get letters

1691
01:49:06,502 --> 01:49:08,702
to that effect from the police board. But I don't

1692
01:49:08,723 --> 01:49:13,342
think that we've had enough opportunities to actively sort the

1693
01:49:13,363 --> 01:49:15,422
apples and the oranges together in the data that we're

1694
01:49:15,462 --> 01:49:19,273
talking about and the issues that we're assessing. Regardless of

1695
01:49:19,313 --> 01:49:21,913
whether or not Owen San was being served by a

1696
01:49:21,953 --> 01:49:26,393
municipal service or by the OPP. I think that the

1697
01:49:26,433 --> 01:49:30,313
stresses of modern policing would mean that there are elements

1698
01:49:30,353 --> 01:49:32,793
of a building that's older than me that might need

1699
01:49:32,793 --> 01:49:36,673
to be updated or might no longer be sufficient. In

1700
01:49:36,673 --> 01:49:39,193
my first year on Council, I heard folks talking about

1701
01:49:40,574 --> 01:49:44,393
just the problem with parking, like that the struggle for

1702
01:49:44,414 --> 01:49:48,586
parking for staff. We've heard that again recently. And I

1703
01:49:48,586 --> 01:49:51,226
don't feel like we currently have a common set of

1704
01:49:51,226 --> 01:49:54,838
data to let us say what makes sense. And I

1705
01:49:54,878 --> 01:50:02,578
would find that helpful, I think. Councillor Meddleman. Thank you.

1706
01:50:03,828 --> 01:50:09,884
Pardon me. I'm with Councillor, or Deputy Mayor Greg on

1707
01:50:09,884 --> 01:50:16,249
this one, 100, 000 dollar needs assessment for me. Is

1708
01:50:16,289 --> 01:50:18,809
a troubling amount of money to come up with a

1709
01:50:18,809 --> 01:50:23,049
plan that we really, I feel like it's already heading

1710
01:50:23,150 --> 01:50:26,246
towards. The idea that we're going to build a new

1711
01:50:26,246 --> 01:50:30,545
building. Because the parking constraints and all the different things.

1712
01:50:30,545 --> 01:50:33,345
We can't afford it. We're already staring down almost 5

1713
01:50:33,385 --> 01:50:38,994
million dollars on a fire building upgrade. I question how

1714
01:50:38,994 --> 01:50:42,034
much money in IT upgrades and equipment have been done

1715
01:50:42,135 --> 01:50:45,074
over the past year and a bit for the communications

1716
01:50:45,095 --> 01:50:48,254
centre and the NG - 911 in this building. And

1717
01:50:48,375 --> 01:50:50,034
what in the world would it cost to move all

1718
01:50:50,055 --> 01:50:54,834
of that if you're planning to either move to a

1719
01:50:54,874 --> 01:50:58,354
different space or build something new? How much in capital

1720
01:50:58,394 --> 01:51:00,594
projects do we have on the books that we've either

1721
01:51:00,615 --> 01:51:03,714
just completed or are going to be done in 2026,

1722
01:51:03,714 --> 01:51:06,274
2027? What happens with those are removing forward with those

1723
01:51:06,455 --> 01:51:09,794
while we're waiting for this 100, 000 dollar plan to

1724
01:51:09,834 --> 01:51:13,154
come back and tell us that it doesn't even meet

1725
01:51:13,175 --> 01:51:17,792
our needs. For me, I feel like costs are getting

1726
01:51:17,893 --> 01:51:23,279
out of control. Between police and fire. We are sitting

1727
01:51:23,380 --> 01:51:25,999
at about 16 million dollars and people in the city

1728
01:51:26,180 --> 01:51:29,839
are saying, why are our services not being met and

1729
01:51:29,879 --> 01:51:31,599
wire taxes so high? And why can't we do this?

1730
01:51:31,639 --> 01:51:34,559
Why can't we do that? Because emergency services are costing

1731
01:51:34,740 --> 01:51:37,439
16 million dollars a year and we don't have any

1732
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:40,092
more money to do anything else. And today I was

1733
01:51:40,092 --> 01:51:44,512
going through and looking at the other communities in Grey

1734
01:51:44,533 --> 01:51:47,552
County. Out of all the communities in Grey County, most

1735
01:51:47,573 --> 01:51:51,072
of them are OPP service. Georgian bluffs, OPP 1. 5

1736
01:51:51,112 --> 01:51:55,552
million, Grey Highlands, OPP 1. 85 million. Blue mountains OPP

1737
01:51:55,893 --> 01:52:00,272
3. 4 million Southgate 1. 4 million OPP, CHETSworth OPP,

1738
01:52:00,293 --> 01:52:05,872
Miford OPP. And we are 9. 8 million dollars the

1739
01:52:05,872 --> 01:52:10,504
police are costing. And then I was searching other communities

1740
01:52:10,925 --> 01:52:15,579
out of all of the communities in Ontario. There are

1741
01:52:15,579 --> 01:52:18,655
only about 40 that have our own municipal force. And

1742
01:52:19,396 --> 01:52:22,415
all of these other ones that have gone to OPP,

1743
01:52:22,415 --> 01:52:26,495
Midland, 5 million dollars, Schellburn 1. 6 million, Collingwood 7

1744
01:52:26,596 --> 01:52:31,135
million dollars OPP. And these are similar communities. And that

1745
01:52:31,156 --> 01:52:35,535
is after the big OPP increase of 10 to 20

1746
01:52:35,556 --> 01:52:38,975
percent. That's what they're paying versus us at 9. 8

1747
01:52:39,015 --> 01:52:42,415
million dollars We need to do something. If we don't

1748
01:52:42,676 --> 01:52:47,215
ask for an OPP costing, we are not doing justice

1749
01:52:47,215 --> 01:52:51,067
to the citizens of Owen Sound. Because if we can

1750
01:52:51,067 --> 01:52:54,827
do the same job for less money than it deserves

1751
01:52:54,827 --> 01:52:57,947
us at least asking for the OPP costing, and I'm

1752
01:52:57,987 --> 01:53:00,427
willing to put that on the floor as a motion.

1753
01:53:02,570 --> 01:53:05,749
Currently on the floor is the recommendation. So you can't

1754
01:53:05,789 --> 01:53:11,093
put that in the floor just yet. Councillor Martin. To

1755
01:53:11,093 --> 01:53:16,754
you mayor. We don't want to assume or jump to

1756
01:53:16,935 --> 01:53:23,404
a bias around a new building or refurbished. This is

1757
01:53:23,425 --> 01:53:28,914
demonstrations of a collaborative cost sharing initiative. That will give

1758
01:53:28,954 --> 01:53:33,074
us information that will help in the future make an

1759
01:53:33,074 --> 01:53:37,234
informed decision. It is tempting to jump to a conclusion.

1760
01:53:37,522 --> 01:53:43,334
But I think it's perhaps too soon. So the advantage

1761
01:53:43,374 --> 01:53:48,854
of moving through this process is that it does assist

1762
01:53:48,894 --> 01:53:54,374
us in having information that forms the framework for looking

1763
01:53:54,414 --> 01:53:59,591
at various options. There will be people who will want

1764
01:53:59,631 --> 01:54:01,991
to jump to the conclusion we should do it this

1765
01:54:02,031 --> 01:54:08,067
way versus that way municipal versus OPP. Having spent two

1766
01:54:08,107 --> 01:54:13,632
hours in the last two weeks asking that question. Of

1767
01:54:13,672 --> 01:54:18,272
our police board chair and our chief of police so

1768
01:54:18,312 --> 01:54:22,201
that I could understand better. It is more than a

1769
01:54:22,241 --> 01:54:29,223
facility. It involves contract. Established contracts. There's a lot of

1770
01:54:29,724 --> 01:54:36,454
costs. More than a facility. Should that be contemplated? This

1771
01:54:36,795 --> 01:54:41,494
report would give us a framework to at least begin

1772
01:54:42,635 --> 01:54:45,974
looking at what is the best direction. We can't make

1773
01:54:46,315 --> 01:54:51,494
an informed decision by piecemeal bits of information and goal

1774
01:54:51,534 --> 01:54:56,115
or narrative information or a perception. I support the motion

1775
01:54:57,096 --> 01:54:59,535
not just because I'm on the police services board, but

1776
01:54:59,535 --> 01:55:09,525
I think we need additional information to go forward. Wants

1777
01:55:09,786 --> 01:55:15,408
to, doc. Go ahead. To your mail, just a few

1778
01:55:15,408 --> 01:55:21,668
questions. I agree that if we're planning investment and you're

1779
01:55:21,708 --> 01:55:25,508
not asking for the construction or the decision to construct

1780
01:55:25,508 --> 01:55:28,868
a brand new building. But then 100, 000 dollars for

1781
01:55:28,908 --> 01:55:31,348
the needs assessment, like it seems to me like a

1782
01:55:31,348 --> 01:55:34,628
lot of money. And if we are spending that to

1783
01:55:34,649 --> 01:55:38,868
collect factual data, so a few months down the road,

1784
01:55:38,868 --> 01:55:41,428
if we have the report back. So the outcome that

1785
01:55:41,468 --> 01:55:45,348
you mentioned in the report is either a Renovation, expansion

1786
01:55:45,689 --> 01:55:47,908
or a brand new building. But I don't think so

1787
01:55:47,929 --> 01:55:51,546
right now. There is, I'm not clear, like, do you

1788
01:55:51,546 --> 01:55:54,566
have funds like how, like we don't have funds, of

1789
01:55:54,566 --> 01:55:57,326
course. But do you have an estimate on what it

1790
01:55:57,427 --> 01:56:00,846
cost if we are going for the renovations or if

1791
01:56:00,846 --> 01:56:03,406
you're going for a brand new building? Or if you're

1792
01:56:03,406 --> 01:56:06,206
just expanding it into the neighbouring buildings? Like is there

1793
01:56:06,246 --> 01:56:13,940
an estimate number on that. Through you mayor. No, there

1794
01:56:14,041 --> 01:56:16,820
isn't. And that's a big part of what this assessment

1795
01:56:16,841 --> 01:56:20,020
will tell us is what the potential costs would be

1796
01:56:20,020 --> 01:56:25,776
for those options. So if we don't find funds anyways,

1797
01:56:25,776 --> 01:56:28,336
like if we can't afford a brand new facility so

1798
01:56:28,336 --> 01:56:31,216
that all these hundred thousand dollars they're down the drain.

1799
01:56:31,216 --> 01:56:40,146
So that's a waste. Right. Through you, your mayor. Uh,

1800
01:56:40,146 --> 01:56:43,206
I'm not sure it'd be staff's opinion that that would

1801
01:56:43,206 --> 01:56:46,086
be a waste. As I do feel, or the staff

1802
01:56:46,126 --> 01:56:49,286
does feel that there is value and understanding what, what

1803
01:56:49,326 --> 01:56:58,309
the best approach is for this facility. Councillor Dodd. Thank

1804
01:56:58,330 --> 01:57:00,229
you, worship. And maybe I'm just looking for some clarity

1805
01:57:00,650 --> 01:57:05,409
because I heard what Councillor Merten had mentioned there, but

1806
01:57:05,409 --> 01:57:07,509
let's not put the carpet for the horse of getting

1807
01:57:07,549 --> 01:57:10,728
to a conclusion without having something first. Um, there was

1808
01:57:10,768 --> 01:57:14,888
a previous, the minutes of a previous meeting noted that

1809
01:57:15,149 --> 01:57:19,128
there was, um, the conversation of striking a new building

1810
01:57:19,309 --> 01:57:25,858
committee with the police board. So. How does that fit

1811
01:57:26,119 --> 01:57:27,778
into play if there was a discussion of the board

1812
01:57:28,839 --> 01:57:32,798
about having setting up a new building working group, but

1813
01:57:32,798 --> 01:57:35,058
then not putting the cart before the horse, having a

1814
01:57:35,058 --> 01:57:38,098
discussion here about saying that we would look for physically

1815
01:57:38,199 --> 01:57:40,658
space needs assessment. So just need some clarity on how

1816
01:57:40,698 --> 01:57:41,618
that goes together.

1817
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:03,139
The conversation prior in the minutes of police service was

1818
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:08,499
basically the facility needs. It was minuted incorrectly to be

1819
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:13,368
a building searching for a new building. Or a building.

1820
01:58:13,756 --> 01:58:16,535
The end results would be, we need to do something

1821
01:58:16,796 --> 01:58:20,135
to meet our adequate standards. We need to do something

1822
01:58:20,316 --> 01:58:23,975
to meet the legislation. And it was minuted as a

1823
01:58:23,975 --> 01:58:27,495
building. It was never thought to be initially a building

1824
01:58:27,916 --> 01:58:32,405
committee. It was to be needs assessment committee. Because you

1825
01:58:32,405 --> 01:58:41,359
have to start somewhere. I hope that helps. Councillor.

1826
01:58:43,805 --> 01:58:46,504
I don't disagree with anything that's been said, but the

1827
01:58:46,504 --> 01:58:49,544
one thing that I kind of keep coming back to,

1828
01:58:49,544 --> 01:58:51,624
we have a building, we own a building. We talk

1829
01:58:51,664 --> 01:58:53,624
about this all the time. I have, I have no

1830
01:58:53,624 --> 01:58:56,024
idea what the state of the building is. And I

1831
01:58:56,024 --> 01:59:00,024
think we do need to know, um, what we're dealing

1832
01:59:00,064 --> 01:59:06,186
with. And how we make it operate appropriately. Um, to

1833
01:59:06,226 --> 01:59:07,946
me, I don't think that I think it's a perfectly

1834
01:59:07,946 --> 01:59:11,946
good building, but it just probably needs some reorganization and

1835
01:59:11,946 --> 01:59:16,026
some better use of space, but that's what this will,

1836
01:59:16,026 --> 01:59:22,050
I think, prove in time. So, so right now there

1837
01:59:22,090 --> 01:59:24,690
was a report. Maybe I'm looking at Kate, his report

1838
01:59:24,711 --> 01:59:26,450
down a couple of years ago on what the building

1839
01:59:26,471 --> 01:59:29,410
needs. Can you help explain that helped me understand that?

1840
01:59:35,736 --> 01:59:40,195
Uh, yes, absolutely. Through you, Mayor. So in 2023, there

1841
01:59:40,456 --> 01:59:44,435
was an, um, a building assessment audit done, uh, that

1842
01:59:44,435 --> 01:59:48,035
identified critical upgrades or upgrades that needed to be done

1843
01:59:49,576 --> 01:59:52,995
to that building. And so the biggest things that came

1844
01:59:52,995 --> 01:59:55,955
out of that assessment were, uh, the air handling unit

1845
01:59:55,955 --> 02:00:02,435
replacement, electrical system upgrades, exterior masonry repairs elevator replacement and

1846
02:00:02,475 --> 02:00:06,575
windows and doors. Uh, that Macintosh Perry condition assessment, um,

1847
02:00:06,856 --> 02:00:10,884
came to accumulative total of 6. 4 million dollars. And

1848
02:00:10,884 --> 02:00:12,484
do we have a plan right now that we're working

1849
02:00:12,524 --> 02:00:18,078
on that, uh, 6. 4 million dollars of upgrades. To

1850
02:00:18,078 --> 02:00:21,838
your worship, not to the entire 6. 4 million dollars,

1851
02:00:21,838 --> 02:00:24,318
but within the next five years of our, our, our,

1852
02:00:24,318 --> 02:00:26,718
our, our multi - year capital plan. We have 2.

1853
02:00:26,758 --> 02:00:30,158
7 million dollars in projects that are slated to be

1854
02:00:30,198 --> 02:00:34,155
worked on. Okay. So the work is already being done.

1855
02:00:34,195 --> 02:00:38,689
Kate, anything you need to add to that. I don't

1856
02:00:38,729 --> 02:00:41,009
think so other than to just confirm that that work

1857
02:00:41,049 --> 02:00:43,249
is planned and it is funded. So we have money

1858
02:00:43,270 --> 02:00:45,809
set aside to move forward with those projects. And we

1859
02:00:45,809 --> 02:00:50,129
are moving forward with some pretty significant ones currently, including,

1860
02:00:50,129 --> 02:00:52,929
um, an electrical upgrade, which touches many facets of the

1861
02:00:52,929 --> 02:00:58,771
building as well as the HVAC update. Thank you. So.

1862
02:01:05,094 --> 02:01:07,033
I was around and was mayor, I think, when we

1863
02:01:07,033 --> 02:01:12,193
did the, uh, the last OPP costing. And the OPP

1864
02:01:12,233 --> 02:01:15,793
had a whole list of building changes that they needed

1865
02:01:15,894 --> 02:01:18,593
that we're going to be expensive. And we were told

1866
02:01:18,593 --> 02:01:20,593
by the local police force that we would not need

1867
02:01:20,774 --> 02:01:23,153
any of those changes. Now I recognise it's a number

1868
02:01:23,193 --> 02:01:26,593
of years later. But if you're going to be doing.

1869
02:01:29,054 --> 02:01:32,753
A new building, renovating building for one police service, I

1870
02:01:32,753 --> 02:01:35,433
don't understand why you wouldn't want to. I'm listening to

1871
02:01:35,433 --> 02:01:38,963
my friends why you wouldn't look at. Before you take

1872
02:01:39,003 --> 02:01:42,323
that step, look and see, do a place OPP cost

1873
02:01:42,344 --> 02:01:47,073
and see what they require. Um, I was criticized at

1874
02:01:47,814 --> 02:01:50,433
a police board meeting for being an accurate. However, we

1875
02:01:50,454 --> 02:01:55,553
do have one of the most expensive police forces in

1876
02:01:55,593 --> 02:01:59,688
the province per capita. So I'm relying on the BMA

1877
02:01:59,789 --> 02:02:02,408
study and it showed that we're number one or number

1878
02:02:02,408 --> 02:02:05,368
two of municipalities are a size that I think went

1879
02:02:05,408 --> 02:02:09,128
from 19 to 29, 000 people for the last five

1880
02:02:09,149 --> 02:02:13,368
years. When you looked at all of them on the

1881
02:02:13,389 --> 02:02:16,728
BMA study, we were in, I think it was 64,

1882
02:02:16,728 --> 02:02:22,328
65 municipalities, uh, we're somewhere between 12th and 14 of

1883
02:02:22,368 --> 02:02:26,291
four or five years. Our total expenditure for the police

1884
02:02:26,392 --> 02:02:31,641
is 15. 5 million dollars. It's approximately nine or just

1885
02:02:31,641 --> 02:02:34,441
under nine, just around 10 that is coming from the

1886
02:02:34,702 --> 02:02:37,961
taxpayers because there is other grants and things that are

1887
02:02:38,001 --> 02:02:42,925
applied for. I look at Collingwood. Now 27, 000 people,

1888
02:02:42,925 --> 02:02:48,365
very similar homeless problems, yes. Crime problems, yes. Very similar.

1889
02:02:48,365 --> 02:02:51,965
They've got to know PPP contract. Their contract for the

1890
02:02:52,005 --> 02:02:55,325
OPP is under 7 million. The cost of their building

1891
02:02:55,346 --> 02:02:59,245
was, I think they said 133, 000 might have been,

1892
02:02:59,245 --> 02:03:02,685
I think it was 133, 000 to operate their building

1893
02:03:03,346 --> 02:03:07,555
plus some other cost to it. Our expenditures are twice

1894
02:03:07,576 --> 02:03:10,427
as high. At some point, you need to look after

1895
02:03:10,448 --> 02:03:12,827
the taxpayers and go back and have a look and

1896
02:03:12,827 --> 02:03:17,307
say, where do we compare? Maybe OPP can't commit and

1897
02:03:17,307 --> 02:03:19,547
compare. Maybe they're, maybe they're out to lunch by now

1898
02:03:19,808 --> 02:03:21,587
too. But if you don't ask, you're not going to

1899
02:03:21,587 --> 02:03:26,407
know. I would, my point of view, I would, uh,

1900
02:03:27,328 --> 02:03:30,546
not do this. Moving ahead with this study until you

1901
02:03:30,586 --> 02:03:32,786
look at both police forces and see what they need

1902
02:03:33,687 --> 02:03:43,234
and make a big decision amongst everybody. Go ahead. Um,

1903
02:03:43,335 --> 02:03:45,905
through the mayor to that point. Is people are suggesting

1904
02:03:46,086 --> 02:03:49,745
an OPP costing, but is a, are these two things

1905
02:03:50,486 --> 02:03:53,265
at odds with each other? Or could they be parallel

1906
02:03:53,846 --> 02:03:56,145
if a costing is also going to require us to

1907
02:03:56,185 --> 02:03:59,665
know how many people, how many offices, how many staff,

1908
02:03:59,665 --> 02:04:05,345
how much parking, how many garages, um, I don't know

1909
02:04:05,345 --> 02:04:09,185
how many baths and half baths, but like, uh, do

1910
02:04:09,225 --> 02:04:12,525
we not need to know what this building will, has

1911
02:04:12,566 --> 02:04:15,825
space for, to Councillor Hamily's comment. And could those two

1912
02:04:15,865 --> 02:04:19,360
things coexist. I think that's putting the cart before the

1913
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:21,720
horse because you don't know what one is going to

1914
02:04:21,781 --> 02:04:24,240
require compared to the other. So that's why I think

1915
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:26,640
you want to find out what they both require. This

1916
02:04:26,741 --> 02:04:29,520
is part of that decision making process before you go

1917
02:04:30,181 --> 02:04:35,853
with a council murder. Through you mayor. I'd like to

1918
02:04:36,034 --> 02:04:38,893
suggest that we need to widen our lens if we're

1919
02:04:38,893 --> 02:04:43,811
going to even engage in that type of dialogue. Right

1920
02:04:43,851 --> 02:04:49,338
now we're talking about a building. However, around that is

1921
02:04:49,378 --> 02:04:55,018
the wider lens that by contract we are, we will

1922
02:04:55,039 --> 02:05:00,585
pay a price to break an existing contract. That is

1923
02:05:00,606 --> 02:05:04,165
an agon expense that needs to be factored in. And

1924
02:05:04,165 --> 02:05:07,945
there are other issues as well. So I think facilities

1925
02:05:08,046 --> 02:05:15,225
are one component, but not the main component and should,

1926
02:05:15,225 --> 02:05:21,385
it's important to also recognise that the equipment besides the

1927
02:05:21,425 --> 02:05:26,607
facility itself that may factor in. Having a wider lens,

1928
02:05:26,607 --> 02:05:28,607
if we're going to engage in that dialogue is important

1929
02:05:29,108 --> 02:05:33,727
because it may actually be that those ancillary costs run

1930
02:05:33,767 --> 02:05:38,445
into the millions of dollars. To even consider a change.

1931
02:05:38,445 --> 02:05:42,125
And I know that that information could be made available.

1932
02:05:42,125 --> 02:05:46,868
Should it be requested? Thank you. And that's the exact

1933
02:05:46,889 --> 02:05:49,668
reason that you get that information and make a fair

1934
02:05:49,689 --> 02:05:54,388
comparison looking at all that costs. Council Kepke. Hopefully this

1935
02:05:54,569 --> 02:05:57,572
is to wrap it up your worship. First of all,

1936
02:05:57,753 --> 02:06:03,978
the Macintosh Perry report was to assess a building. Not

1937
02:06:04,018 --> 02:06:07,338
particularly a police service building. And the needs of police

1938
02:06:07,378 --> 02:06:12,058
service. This report that's being asked for or this assessment.

1939
02:06:12,058 --> 02:06:15,098
It's being asked for is to determine whether this particular

1940
02:06:15,439 --> 02:06:21,178
building can accommodate the requirements under legislation, et cetera, of

1941
02:06:21,218 --> 02:06:25,116
a police service. The other thing that I would comment

1942
02:06:25,297 --> 02:06:29,756
on is there's quite a difference in Community Policing and

1943
02:06:29,756 --> 02:06:34,628
OPP policing. And how they provide the service and how

1944
02:06:35,769 --> 02:06:38,788
readily available they are to provide the services needed in

1945
02:06:38,828 --> 02:06:42,558
our community. So I would just, I would leave it

1946
02:06:42,598 --> 02:06:46,158
at that. I'm going to take the bait. I'm responding

1947
02:06:46,158 --> 02:06:49,743
to both those comments. It used to be an insurance

1948
02:06:49,783 --> 02:06:52,463
company, the police board took it over. They had one

1949
02:06:52,564 --> 02:06:55,743
floor. They expanded to two floors. There have been millions

1950
02:06:55,844 --> 02:07:00,863
of millions of dollars put into cells at the back

1951
02:07:01,044 --> 02:07:04,343
expanded cells to make that into a police building. So

1952
02:07:05,044 --> 02:07:08,063
to suggest that it's not a police building is it

1953
02:07:08,063 --> 02:07:11,343
has been renovated a couple of times by the police

1954
02:07:11,444 --> 02:07:15,183
services to their recommendations to make it into a police

1955
02:07:15,284 --> 02:07:19,023
building and with regard to, uh, all the consequences of

1956
02:07:19,524 --> 02:07:22,463
an OPP costing. That's certainly something that would come out

1957
02:07:22,503 --> 02:07:25,321
and would be looked at at the time. If I

1958
02:07:25,422 --> 02:07:27,801
can comment, I'm not disagreeing that it's not a police

1959
02:07:27,902 --> 02:07:31,081
building and hasn't been for a long time. I'm just

1960
02:07:31,121 --> 02:07:35,081
saying that the Macintosh Perry didn't assess it for what

1961
02:07:35,102 --> 02:07:38,421
the police needs are at this time or in the

1962
02:07:38,421 --> 02:07:41,721
future. Thank you. I'm going to call the question so

1963
02:07:41,721 --> 02:07:46,981
the motion was Councillor Koepke's in front of us. The

1964
02:07:46,981 --> 02:07:53,994
recommendation all in favor. One, two, three opposed. One, two,

1965
02:07:53,994 --> 02:08:00,051
three, four, five. It means six. So what's next?

1966
02:08:06,748 --> 02:08:10,567
Looking to the clerk, because it is a police related

1967
02:08:10,567 --> 02:08:14,807
matter. Am I good to make a motion on the

1968
02:08:14,988 --> 02:08:18,967
city manager bringing back a report in September, sorry, on

1969
02:08:18,967 --> 02:08:24,807
what is involved in going to a police, OPP costing.

1970
02:08:27,344 --> 02:08:31,383
I would suggest Mr. Simmons that, uh, it is, um,

1971
02:08:32,704 --> 02:08:36,043
to ask staff to bring back a report of what

1972
02:08:36,064 --> 02:08:41,643
is required. It's even possible to do. No BPP costume.

1973
02:08:41,643 --> 02:08:47,901
Does that make sense? Through you mayor. Um, hearing the

1974
02:08:48,002 --> 02:08:51,421
proposed motion and the update. For clarity, I think what

1975
02:08:51,461 --> 02:08:54,541
I'm hearing is you would like for staff to come

1976
02:08:54,581 --> 02:08:58,451
back in September. With an update to Council of what

1977
02:08:58,552 --> 02:09:01,491
goes into an OPP cost and what is involved with

1978
02:09:02,072 --> 02:09:05,011
the steps. Because I know my most recent memory of

1979
02:09:05,051 --> 02:09:09,091
an OPP costing is Orangeville. Um, and I know the

1980
02:09:09,091 --> 02:09:12,487
solicitor general has taken over some aspects. Of municipalities asking

1981
02:09:12,527 --> 02:09:15,847
for OPP costings, et cetera. So probably my work between

1982
02:09:16,028 --> 02:09:18,727
now and September would be to at least have an

1983
02:09:18,727 --> 02:09:21,607
informational meeting with the solicitor general's office to understand what

1984
02:09:21,628 --> 02:09:25,527
goes into it, not initiate one, not under take one,

1985
02:09:25,527 --> 02:09:27,847
not spend any money on one, but just find out

1986
02:09:27,887 --> 02:09:30,967
what those steps are and bring that back to council

1987
02:09:31,228 --> 02:09:35,847
to inform your decision making as you move forward. Does

1988
02:09:35,847 --> 02:09:41,016
that sound right. Yes, I'm happy with that. I'm Ms.

1989
02:09:41,056 --> 02:09:43,776
Bloomfeld. If that is the request do we need to

1990
02:09:44,077 --> 02:09:47,976
waive notice because we're asking for a report to come

1991
02:09:47,976 --> 02:09:54,505
back. To you your worship, um, I would suggest that

1992
02:09:55,246 --> 02:09:57,145
as of report would be coming back in O final

1993
02:09:57,166 --> 02:09:59,545
decisions are being made and it does relate to this

1994
02:09:59,646 --> 02:10:02,825
police matter. Um, this could be done as a simple

1995
02:10:02,865 --> 02:10:05,545
motion. But of course if council wants to do a

1996
02:10:05,545 --> 02:10:07,625
point of order, that was, that is within their right.

1997
02:10:22,514 --> 02:10:24,893
Uh, thanks through the mayor. I'm happy to support that

1998
02:10:24,994 --> 02:10:28,493
request for information. I think that, um, it's sort of

1999
02:10:28,493 --> 02:10:30,413
say on one hand that the Own's Sound Police Service

2000
02:10:30,434 --> 02:10:34,013
and its officers provide really dedicated service and care to

2001
02:10:34,013 --> 02:10:36,973
our community. And if we're looking at this as a

2002
02:10:36,994 --> 02:10:41,293
structural problem, unfortunately this goes back to the issue of

2003
02:10:41,333 --> 02:10:43,453
police funding at the provincial level and the cost of

2004
02:10:43,493 --> 02:10:46,733
municipal policing is not being offset by provincial funding in

2005
02:10:46,733 --> 02:10:50,091
the way that OPP services are. And at a basic

2006
02:10:50,091 --> 02:10:52,891
level, we've got to figure out how to provide the

2007
02:10:52,891 --> 02:10:56,898
service. For a reasonable cost. And freeing up that kind

2008
02:10:56,898 --> 02:10:59,618
of budget would also let us do things like support

2009
02:10:59,658 --> 02:11:01,698
the type of project we heard about at the start

2010
02:11:01,698 --> 02:11:05,298
of the meeting tonight to get upstream and help take

2011
02:11:05,319 --> 02:11:08,098
care of each other so that we aren't at a

2012
02:11:08,098 --> 02:11:12,338
place where police need to be involved for matters. They

2013
02:11:12,338 --> 02:11:15,138
don't need to. So I'm really happy to support the

2014
02:11:15,239 --> 02:11:18,790
request for that report. Acknowledging that that's probably really complicated.

2015
02:11:20,278 --> 02:11:30,157
Okay. Anyone else. Councillor Metal. Thank you.

2016
02:11:30,749 --> 02:11:33,528
Thank you for those comments. And I also want to

2017
02:11:33,549 --> 02:11:38,088
reiterate that in no way is this anything about the

2018
02:11:38,109 --> 02:11:41,208
service that we receive from our own Sound Police Force.

2019
02:11:42,606 --> 02:11:46,825
They are a very, very dedicated police force. And they

2020
02:11:46,825 --> 02:11:50,505
do a fantastic job with the challenges that they face

2021
02:11:50,606 --> 02:11:53,865
on a daily basis. And I thank them for their

2022
02:11:53,905 --> 02:11:59,545
service. And this is not anything to do with being

2023
02:11:59,566 --> 02:12:03,785
unhappy with the way that it is performed. It is

2024
02:12:03,825 --> 02:12:07,545
strictly a budgetary matter. And it makes fiscal common sense

2025
02:12:08,126 --> 02:12:10,505
to ask for an OPP costing when you look at

2026
02:12:10,505 --> 02:12:14,425
the numbers of what other jurisdictions are paying versus what

2027
02:12:14,465 --> 02:12:17,465
we are paying. And that is simply what I'm asking

2028
02:12:17,566 --> 02:12:21,305
for is just to find out more about the OPP

2029
02:12:21,406 --> 02:12:27,471
costing for fiscal common sense. Thank you. Gonna call the

2030
02:12:27,511 --> 02:12:32,125
question on favor. One, two, three, four, five. And I'm

2031
02:12:32,165 --> 02:12:35,405
six. So it's three opposed. Three opposed. So that carries.

2032
02:12:37,812 --> 02:12:41,746
Thank you. Uh, 10 E, I think we're going back

2033
02:12:41,767 --> 02:12:46,946
to, uh, mason for engineering technology, service agreement for offsite

2034
02:12:46,986 --> 02:12:53,587
improvements to support UH site plan. Thank you through your

2035
02:12:53,608 --> 02:12:59,030
mayor. Um, so this report. Um, in consideration staff report,

2036
02:12:59,030 --> 02:13:02,630
OP26038, respecting the servicing agreement for U - Haul and

2037
02:13:02,670 --> 02:13:06,390
the city of Own Sound for 2010, 16th Avenue East

2038
02:13:06,430 --> 02:13:09,110
for Council Direct staff, bring forward a Biolot authorized there.

2039
02:13:10,011 --> 02:13:15,411
Service and agreement. Um, so this is at the intersection

2040
02:13:15,432 --> 02:13:19,811
of, um, 16th Street East and 20th Avenue. The U

2041
02:13:19,851 --> 02:13:22,851
- Haul property is the last property in that corner

2042
02:13:23,912 --> 02:13:27,091
to develop out. Um, which has been done through a

2043
02:13:27,352 --> 02:13:30,211
host of Kasharing agreements and service agreements dating back to

2044
02:13:31,432 --> 02:13:36,866
2011. Um. So this property received conditional site plan approval

2045
02:13:37,207 --> 02:13:40,686
in the fall of 2025. As part of that, um,

2046
02:13:40,807 --> 02:13:45,060
site plan approval for conditional Cyprian River rather. The applicant

2047
02:13:45,081 --> 02:13:47,220
is required, entered into a service agreement with the city

2048
02:13:47,241 --> 02:13:50,980
of own sound to construct the necessary offsite improvements, which

2049
02:13:50,980 --> 02:13:54,500
here include upgrades to the lights at 16th and 20th.

2050
02:13:54,500 --> 02:13:58,386
And upgrades to 20th Avenue east. Uh, between 16th and

2051
02:13:58,427 --> 02:14:03,741
17th. This report is being brought to council because there

2052
02:14:03,741 --> 02:14:09,501
is a potential for the CD2, um, front end accost

2053
02:14:09,501 --> 02:14:14,221
of 74, 032. Should future development not take place in

2054
02:14:14,261 --> 02:14:20,174
that time frame. Um. Our developmenta has provided a wealth

2055
02:14:20,195 --> 02:14:23,614
of background over the last 15 years in the latterhouse

2056
02:14:23,635 --> 02:14:26,334
report. And I may look to the director to help

2057
02:14:26,334 --> 02:14:28,814
me answer any questions you have. But that'll take questions.

2058
02:14:29,248 --> 02:14:34,373
Councillor Deputy Mayor Greg. Couple of questions to begin with.

2059
02:14:34,373 --> 02:14:39,370
Uh, those two pins, one's 1990, 17th Street. And the

2060
02:14:39,370 --> 02:14:43,150
adjoining property that is located to the west of it.

2061
02:14:43,190 --> 02:14:52,271
How are those two properties zoned. Um, I could look

2062
02:14:52,311 --> 02:14:55,791
at up. And I, I will, but I think their

2063
02:14:55,791 --> 02:14:58,651
designated e - city commercial, but still zoned M1, but

2064
02:14:58,651 --> 02:15:00,991
I will check that. And I'll come back if I'm

2065
02:15:00,991 --> 02:15:06,295
wrong. My problem here is that paragraph that states, if

2066
02:15:06,295 --> 02:15:10,155
no development of the benefiting lands occurs before 2032, the

2067
02:15:10,196 --> 02:15:13,055
City will provide payment to U - Haul on or

2068
02:15:13,076 --> 02:15:16,735
after May 1 in the amount of 74, 000 and

2069
02:15:16,735 --> 02:15:20,123
change. I'm not in favor of leaving the taxpayer on

2070
02:15:20,123 --> 02:15:24,123
the hook for that 74, 000 and change. Um, I

2071
02:15:24,123 --> 02:15:27,083
think when you go into developing these lands, you go

2072
02:15:27,104 --> 02:15:31,403
into developing these lands, acknowledging the types of responsibilities and

2073
02:15:31,403 --> 02:15:36,603
obligations financially that exist. Uh, even those properties if and

2074
02:15:36,643 --> 02:15:42,763
when they develop on 17th Street may have a substantial

2075
02:15:43,584 --> 02:15:48,443
requirement to financially compensate the city to build up 17th

2076
02:15:48,483 --> 02:15:51,483
Street or the 17th Street East extension, which right now

2077
02:15:52,544 --> 02:15:57,243
is effectively a cycling path. Um, so that's the part

2078
02:15:57,344 --> 02:16:02,123
here I can't agree with is leaving the taxpayers exposed

2079
02:16:02,163 --> 02:16:05,403
to 75, 000. Five years goes by in the blink

2080
02:16:05,403 --> 02:16:11,677
of an eye. The economy turns a little bit. And

2081
02:16:11,677 --> 02:16:15,117
then we are on the hook for 74, 303 two

2082
02:16:15,157 --> 02:16:21,837
dollars that I can't support, um, knowingly going into these

2083
02:16:21,938 --> 02:16:28,765
developments, uh, with certain expectations of development financial requirements. I'm

2084
02:16:28,805 --> 02:16:35,248
going to go to Laura. Thank you, worship. I just

2085
02:16:35,269 --> 02:16:39,408
wanted to make sure that we all have the same

2086
02:16:39,509 --> 02:16:45,066
understanding. The cost impact the city would be a temporary

2087
02:16:45,327 --> 02:16:49,546
one. The intention is that we would reimburse the current

2088
02:16:50,527 --> 02:16:55,066
developer at that point. And then continue to endeavour to

2089
02:16:55,106 --> 02:16:58,906
recover those funds when that property does, uh, develop in

2090
02:16:58,906 --> 02:17:02,506
the future. It's just a hub, a break point so

2091
02:17:02,546 --> 02:17:06,106
that the existing developer isn't waiting, say, 25 years or

2092
02:17:06,146 --> 02:17:13,482
something to be reimbursed those fees. So will they still

2093
02:17:13,503 --> 02:17:16,922
have certain financial obligations though to the future development of

2094
02:17:16,943 --> 02:17:19,082
the 17th Street, which exists right in front of them

2095
02:17:19,122 --> 02:17:21,242
right now and is a terrible road and terrible state.

2096
02:17:24,643 --> 02:17:29,502
Three worship Mayor Greg. Yes, that's the intention that that

2097
02:17:29,502 --> 02:17:33,342
debt wouldn't disappear. Those properties would still owe that money.

2098
02:17:33,342 --> 02:17:35,502
It's just that they would owe the city, uh, that

2099
02:17:35,502 --> 02:17:41,742
money. Cause they would, if it doesn't develop until after

2100
02:17:41,782 --> 02:17:46,051
that point, they would have already been paid back. Got

2101
02:17:46,091 --> 02:17:50,545
it. Good. We ran into this, uh, we are still

2102
02:17:50,545 --> 02:17:54,945
running into this with Heritage Grove where it was left

2103
02:17:55,206 --> 02:18:01,305
open - ended. And, uh, that's been 15 years. So

2104
02:18:01,366 --> 02:18:05,185
the idea is that you want to develop it quickly.

2105
02:18:06,761 --> 02:18:11,122
The other piece of property share of it. Is being

2106
02:18:11,303 --> 02:18:15,623
carried or front - ended by the developer. If we

2107
02:18:15,663 --> 02:18:17,703
aren't able to collect from those others, we would step

2108
02:18:17,804 --> 02:18:19,623
in, put the money up. And then we would collect

2109
02:18:19,663 --> 02:18:23,599
from those other developers for their share. I don't know

2110
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:25,279
if that still makes sense or if I got it

2111
02:18:25,279 --> 02:18:28,719
more confused. But, uh, I think I got it more

2112
02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:38,309
confused. There's a recommendation there. I'm confused every

2113
02:18:38,349 --> 02:18:43,828
day. So, um, I'll move that recommendation. But not always

2114
02:18:43,868 --> 02:18:48,329
by me. Okay. Any questions. Call the question all in

2115
02:18:48,329 --> 02:18:53,893
favor. Not as carried. Thank you, Mason. Uh, next, 10

2116
02:18:53,893 --> 02:19:00,078
F. Report from deputy mayor from Grey County Council. This

2117
02:19:00,078 --> 02:19:02,638
time it loaded on my machine the way it should.

2118
02:19:03,997 --> 02:19:06,456
Uh, last week, council approved to 1. 4 million dollar

2119
02:19:06,797 --> 02:19:09,496
contract with Community Living Owen Sound to provide annual special

2120
02:19:09,517 --> 02:19:13,096
needs resourcing services across the county. The program is funded

2121
02:19:13,136 --> 02:19:15,976
by the province and accordance with early learning and childcare

2122
02:19:15,997 --> 02:19:20,136
guidelines. The single provider, third party delivery model seeks to

2123
02:19:20,176 --> 02:19:24,536
improve service coordination access efficiency accountability and equality of service

2124
02:19:24,536 --> 02:19:28,547
across the county. Council determined to debenture to new paramedic

2125
02:19:28,568 --> 02:19:31,907
bases in Durham and fever sham over 15 years, increasing

2126
02:19:31,947 --> 02:19:34,867
the payment next year by 44, 000 dollars, However saving

2127
02:19:35,208 --> 02:19:40,040
over 700, 000 dollars in mortgage terms. This returns debt

2128
02:19:40,141 --> 02:19:43,240
onto the county books after remaining deventure payments were paid

2129
02:19:43,261 --> 02:19:46,894
off at the start of 2026. And Council had an

2130
02:19:46,894 --> 02:19:49,294
update from the graveyard's Ontario Health team in the form

2131
02:19:49,294 --> 02:19:53,614
of a deputation with a goal of attaching 23, 500

2132
02:19:53,614 --> 02:20:00,094
residents from a primary care provider by 2029 with 7

2133
02:20:00,094 --> 02:20:02,414
million dollars and enhanced based funding received since last August

2134
02:20:02,755 --> 02:20:06,494
and hopeful of a further 4 million dollars supporting plans.

2135
02:20:06,494 --> 02:20:08,494
The hope is to attach a further 9, 000 residents

2136
02:20:08,595 --> 02:20:13,311
with a primary provider by early 2027. I welcome any

2137
02:20:13,332 --> 02:20:16,191
questions and ask for council's endorsement of the verbal report.

2138
02:20:17,118 --> 02:20:22,256
Any questions, Councillor Firm. Thank you through the mayor. The

2139
02:20:22,256 --> 02:20:25,287
Ontario Health team update. We've heard a lot about how

2140
02:20:26,508 --> 02:20:30,887
expanding primary care access is different in communities that qualify

2141
02:20:30,887 --> 02:20:37,527
for additional provincial funding to rook fruit and retain doctors

2142
02:20:37,548 --> 02:20:40,887
and nurse practitioners at the county level, was there any

2143
02:20:40,927 --> 02:20:44,887
conversation about how the success of that program might look

2144
02:20:44,988 --> 02:20:47,447
different in a place like Owen Sound that doesn't qualify

2145
02:20:47,548 --> 02:20:53,687
for that additional funding in those programs compared to Grey

2146
02:20:53,727 --> 02:20:55,607
County as a whole? Or was it really just at

2147
02:20:55,647 --> 02:20:58,912
that county perspective. I guess what's in it for us

2148
02:20:58,952 --> 02:21:01,715
is my question. The one response there I can provide

2149
02:21:01,976 --> 02:21:06,435
was that infrastructure, um, is a considerable impediment, um, for

2150
02:21:06,456 --> 02:21:12,035
building out, um, attachment for individuals and grabers. We didn't

2151
02:21:12,075 --> 02:21:15,875
have any discussion about, uh, inconsistencies in terms of financial

2152
02:21:15,896 --> 02:21:20,355
renumeration, uh, through the province in terms of benefiting some

2153
02:21:20,355 --> 02:21:26,482
municipalities more so over others. Okay. So call the question

2154
02:21:26,823 --> 02:21:32,465
on favor of receiving that. Endorsing that carried banks. Next

2155
02:21:32,966 --> 02:21:37,425
is consent agendas or anything that anyone wants to be

2156
02:21:37,606 --> 02:21:41,598
pulled in dealt with separately. Councillor. As I was on

2157
02:21:41,638 --> 02:21:43,358
motions, I did reach out to folks to ask if

2158
02:21:43,358 --> 02:21:45,478
there was anything that they'd like to be pulled. I

2159
02:21:45,478 --> 02:21:50,158
had request to pull items C, D, and E. I

2160
02:21:50,158 --> 02:21:52,318
don't know if that covers everyone's bases. And that is

2161
02:21:53,139 --> 02:21:57,038
the integrity commission meeting calendar, the approval of the multi

2162
02:21:57,078 --> 02:21:59,518
- year capital plan and the outdoor public water stations

2163
02:21:59,939 --> 02:22:02,478
reports, uh, for those of you following along at home.

2164
02:22:03,727 --> 02:22:10,221
Did you have a separate one. So I will.

2165
02:22:20,805 --> 02:22:22,304
Do you hear worship? I'll just give an overview of

2166
02:22:22,304 --> 02:22:25,302
what is listed on the consent agenda this evening. So

2167
02:22:25,483 --> 02:22:29,142
there are reports respecting potential land sale of part of

2168
02:22:29,323 --> 02:22:33,062
part two, plans 16R - 8752, a request to remove

2169
02:22:33,163 --> 02:22:35,942
a one - foot reserve at 1389 - 16 of

2170
02:22:35,982 --> 02:22:40,022
East. Updates on the integrity commissioner in the 2027 Counseling

2171
02:22:40,022 --> 02:22:44,478
Committee meeting calendar. Approval of the 2027 to 2031 multi

2172
02:22:44,518 --> 02:22:47,438
- year capital plan. Update on the transition to outdoor

2173
02:22:47,459 --> 02:22:50,238
public water stations, approval of non - standard procurement for

2174
02:22:50,259 --> 02:22:53,838
the e - scribe software and iCERE surfacer and a

2175
02:22:53,838 --> 02:22:56,478
report on the Continuation of Guelphal and Sound Transit after

2176
02:22:56,518 --> 02:22:59,838
August 31st. There are minutes for receipt from Grey Sobble

2177
02:22:59,838 --> 02:23:04,362
Conservation Authority Board, Library Board, and the Police Board. There

2178
02:23:04,362 --> 02:23:10,074
are several business licences were issued. Prince Yahad Transit Solution

2179
02:23:10,095 --> 02:23:14,074
at 127, 8 Street East, Red Swan Pizza at 925

2180
02:23:14,175 --> 02:23:19,034
- 16th Street East, Unit 2, Toppers Pizza at 1057,

2181
02:23:19,034 --> 02:23:23,738
second half east. Carsley's at 1350 16th Street East, Joaquin

2182
02:23:23,738 --> 02:23:27,338
Moose Barneill at 1315, 16th Rede's Fresh Coat Owen Sound

2183
02:23:27,359 --> 02:23:31,978
at 2125 16 Street East. Adele's Taylor Shop at 1035,

2184
02:23:31,978 --> 02:23:36,058
3rd Ab East, First Health Counseling at 894 Ab East.

2185
02:23:36,058 --> 02:23:39,258
Once on Pickleball Club at 3225 East Bay Shore Road

2186
02:23:39,359 --> 02:23:44,618
Unit 6, Schmitt Plumbing Company at 1255 - 45 West.

2187
02:23:44,618 --> 02:23:47,658
Grey Bruce Transportation at 601 - 7th Street A -

2188
02:23:47,658 --> 02:23:51,238
East. Redline Taxi at 650 - 16 Street East. The

2189
02:23:51,238 --> 02:23:56,618
Admirals Barber Shop at 975 Second East and Telcom Courier

2190
02:23:56,658 --> 02:24:00,138
Canada at 1875 - 6v East Unit 2 and Province

2191
02:24:00,178 --> 02:24:05,382
Electric at 1475 second Ab East. A flag flying request

2192
02:24:05,422 --> 02:24:08,022
was approved for child - care worker and early childhood

2193
02:24:08,283 --> 02:24:11,862
educator appreciation day and an illumination request was approved for

2194
02:24:12,203 --> 02:24:15,462
world thrombosis day. The last item on the consent agenda

2195
02:24:15,502 --> 02:24:18,102
is the information package of full listing is available at

2196
02:24:18,203 --> 02:24:22,947
11 - 0. Good, thank you. So, Councillor Farmer is

2197
02:24:22,947 --> 02:24:27,955
going to move all except C, D, and E. That

2198
02:24:27,976 --> 02:24:30,435
move by myself that in consideration of the items listed

2199
02:24:30,456 --> 02:24:34,515
on the July 27th, 2026 consented agenda that City Council

2200
02:24:34,776 --> 02:24:39,795
won receives items 11a to B, and 11F to 11

2201
02:24:39,976 --> 02:24:43,777
- 0. And to approves the recommendations contained in items

2202
02:24:44,278 --> 02:24:49,555
11a to 11b and 11f to 11h. And all in

2203
02:24:49,555 --> 02:24:54,434
favor. That's carried. Thanks. So we'll double back to 11C,

2204
02:24:54,434 --> 02:24:58,749
that's you. So this is a quick question. Uh, I'm

2205
02:24:58,789 --> 02:25:02,189
in agreement with sending individuals to the AMCTO conference, which

2206
02:25:02,370 --> 02:25:07,906
impacts the, uh, previous schedule for the June meeting. Do

2207
02:25:07,927 --> 02:25:12,626
we have the ability, we have had individuals not named

2208
02:25:12,666 --> 02:25:15,986
Brianna or Stacey fill in on Monday nights here in

2209
02:25:15,986 --> 02:25:19,186
the past. If they are both absent, do we have

2210
02:25:19,186 --> 02:25:23,906
the ability to backfill and maintain the previous or previous

2211
02:25:23,946 --> 02:25:27,346
schedule, or is it legislatively prohibited that we're not able

2212
02:25:27,346 --> 02:25:35,074
to be absent both of them? Ms. Blumfield. Through your

2213
02:25:35,114 --> 02:25:37,154
worship to Deputy Grey, thank you for the question. Um,

2214
02:25:37,194 --> 02:25:40,914
we can make accommodations to Council want to continue the

2215
02:25:40,954 --> 02:25:47,888
meeting in our absence and our absence. I thank the

2216
02:25:47,989 --> 02:25:49,848
clerks for putting it on the screen right now. I

2217
02:25:49,848 --> 02:25:53,488
think the previous schedule, um, is something that I preferred

2218
02:25:53,528 --> 02:25:57,088
more so. I think tonight is just another example of

2219
02:25:58,469 --> 02:26:01,488
at times you get massive agendas, and it increases the

2220
02:26:01,589 --> 02:26:06,108
workload. Um, it locks it into one in June, two

2221
02:26:06,108 --> 02:26:07,968
in July, and then the break. And I just see

2222
02:26:08,869 --> 02:26:12,888
massive volumes, uh, before council. I don't think it's, I

2223
02:26:12,888 --> 02:26:16,328
understand, um, where staff are coming from in altering it

2224
02:26:16,709 --> 02:26:20,528
with the conference. But I think it is more beneficial

2225
02:26:20,629 --> 02:26:25,679
to counsel if we were to. Maintain the previous schedule

2226
02:26:25,719 --> 02:26:30,399
of June 14th and June 28th, keeping the two meetings

2227
02:26:30,420 --> 02:26:32,639
in June as opposed to one. And I think tonight

2228
02:26:33,460 --> 02:26:40,255
is a shining example of why you do that. Go

2229
02:26:40,255 --> 02:26:45,738
ahead. So your worship, I suggest that the councillor make

2230
02:26:45,759 --> 02:26:51,343
a motion, um, to. Um, prove the calendar, sorry, I

2231
02:26:51,364 --> 02:26:53,822
had it written out here. Bring forward a motion to

2232
02:26:53,862 --> 02:26:56,142
direct staff to update the calendar as presented in the

2233
02:26:56,323 --> 02:26:58,942
report Save and accept the regular Council meeting in June

2234
02:26:58,982 --> 02:27:04,438
and maintain two regular Council meetings in June. So moved.

2235
02:27:05,781 --> 02:27:09,165
Okay, any questions. Seeing none, call the question all in

2236
02:27:09,165 --> 02:27:18,032
favor. That's carried. Uh, 11 D, is that yours? I'm

2237
02:27:18,072 --> 02:27:21,712
Mayor, thank you again. 11, uh, D and E, were

2238
02:27:21,712 --> 02:27:26,432
both me. 11 D is the approval of the multi

2239
02:27:26,533 --> 02:27:31,348
- year capital plan. And we had been expecting an

2240
02:27:31,388 --> 02:27:35,508
update with a report about the fortress. Um, so those

2241
02:27:35,529 --> 02:27:39,348
not familiar with the term. Um, in the 900 block

2242
02:27:39,369 --> 02:27:43,408
of First Avenue west, there's a stone looking structure, uh,

2243
02:27:43,408 --> 02:27:46,948
that has multiple levels. And we were expecting a report

2244
02:27:46,988 --> 02:27:50,388
back about that for this meeting that report is not

2245
02:27:50,388 --> 02:27:52,148
on the agenda. And I was just hoping for some

2246
02:27:52,188 --> 02:27:56,708
more information from staff about, uh, yeah, why that is

2247
02:27:57,049 --> 02:28:02,235
and what we can expect going forward. Thank you, worship.

2248
02:28:02,950 --> 02:28:05,249
I believe last week I had sent Council a note

2249
02:28:05,289 --> 02:28:07,009
to just let you know that the report on the

2250
02:28:07,190 --> 02:28:10,929
fortress wouldn't be presented with the Capitol budget this evening.

2251
02:28:10,929 --> 02:28:14,769
I haven't been able to secure costing for that work

2252
02:28:14,950 --> 02:28:19,169
and I didn't want to bring council that before I

2253
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:21,489
had a good estimate of cost. So I hope to

2254
02:28:21,489 --> 02:28:26,049
bring that at your next update in December. Thank you.

2255
02:28:28,299 --> 02:28:31,478
And a final question to eleven D. And we might

2256
02:28:31,478 --> 02:28:35,478
need, um, Jay back up. But I just, uh, 11

2257
02:28:35,739 --> 02:28:38,598
E, which I've also pulled to speak to, is about

2258
02:28:39,099 --> 02:28:43,798
the water fill station slash water bottle water fountain issue.

2259
02:28:43,798 --> 02:28:45,398
And I just want to, before we get to that

2260
02:28:45,398 --> 02:28:48,438
point, um, make sure that I understand correctly that the

2261
02:28:48,459 --> 02:28:54,438
capital item listed as, uh, CAP 27 - 0025 or

2262
02:28:54,438 --> 02:28:57,878
on general facilities, bottlefill stations, that that's the same project

2263
02:28:58,139 --> 02:29:04,132
that budget line that's been carried forward annually. That will

2264
02:29:04,132 --> 02:29:09,529
be speaking to in 11E. If I can ask that

2265
02:29:09,569 --> 02:29:14,649
question English, uh, just making sure that we see in

2266
02:29:14,649 --> 02:29:18,089
the multi - year capital plan is again, that same

2267
02:29:18,190 --> 02:29:23,929
project that we're around water bottle and fountain refill stations

2268
02:29:24,190 --> 02:29:27,289
just in its annual presence. Is that, am I correct

2269
02:29:27,329 --> 02:29:30,986
in that? Um, it's not carry forward funds. Those were

2270
02:29:30,986 --> 02:29:34,908
the funds that were budgeted for this year. I believe

2271
02:29:35,089 --> 02:29:38,714
that that's the answer to your question. Okay. Thank you.

2272
02:29:38,714 --> 02:29:42,794
Then I would move the motion for the multi -

2273
02:29:42,794 --> 02:29:46,394
year capital plan with that additional information. Um, that in

2274
02:29:46,394 --> 02:29:49,994
consideration of staff report, CR - 26074, respecting the approval

2275
02:29:50,015 --> 02:29:53,754
of the 2027 to 31 multi - year capital plan,

2276
02:29:53,754 --> 02:29:56,794
the City Council won approves the project's funded within the

2277
02:29:56,815 --> 02:30:00,394
2027 to 2031 multi - year capital plan and two

2278
02:30:00,415 --> 02:30:03,434
direct staff to bring forward a further update to the

2279
02:30:03,615 --> 02:30:06,794
2027 to 2031 multi - year capital plan for subsequent

2280
02:30:06,834 --> 02:30:14,706
approval in December of 2026. Okay. Any questions. You're not

2281
02:30:15,847 --> 02:30:17,666
used to asking questions. You're not going to ask yourself

2282
02:30:17,927 --> 02:30:20,066
a question. Very good question. I don't want to get

2283
02:30:20,106 --> 02:30:22,866
between you and yourselves. I'll call the question all in

2284
02:30:22,906 --> 02:30:29,106
favor. That's carried. So that gets us through the consent.

2285
02:30:29,106 --> 02:30:32,786
No, the next eleven. 11E. Okay. I thought we just

2286
02:30:32,786 --> 02:30:37,245
did that one. Sorry. Okay. Go ahead. Thank you. The

2287
02:30:37,285 --> 02:30:40,605
nuance of calling four questions and calling the question. Apparently

2288
02:30:40,605 --> 02:30:45,045
it lost on me. Um, so this report, 11E, we

2289
02:30:45,045 --> 02:30:49,405
asked for that at recent capital meeting. And for context,

2290
02:30:49,405 --> 02:30:50,765
so everyone's on the same page. So we passed this

2291
02:30:50,786 --> 02:30:54,525
motion in 2023. And every year or two, we've continued

2292
02:30:54,565 --> 02:30:57,805
to see the 10, 000 dollars set aside for water

2293
02:30:57,845 --> 02:31:01,245
bottle filling stations. And it's in the capital plan again

2294
02:31:02,226 --> 02:31:06,185
with a project start date of January 1st, 2027. Um.

2295
02:31:06,925 --> 02:31:11,944
And like considering that we have not moved the project

2296
02:31:12,045 --> 02:31:16,584
forward since 2023. And that water fountains cost more than

2297
02:31:16,685 --> 02:31:21,489
indoor bottle filling stations. I'm curious. How much unspent budget

2298
02:31:21,510 --> 02:31:24,609
is currently available for this project? Or would the previous

2299
02:31:24,790 --> 02:31:27,249
years worth of 10, 000 dollars for a bottle fill

2300
02:31:27,249 --> 02:31:30,669
station have just gone back into the regular pot? And

2301
02:31:30,669 --> 02:31:33,569
we didn't, cause we didn't use it. So it's back

2302
02:31:33,609 --> 02:31:35,409
in the regular pot of funding. And we get another

2303
02:31:35,510 --> 02:31:42,797
chance now in 2027 to allocate that funding. Through your

2304
02:31:42,797 --> 02:31:45,757
worship consistent with any other capital project, if it doesn't

2305
02:31:45,797 --> 02:31:48,877
get spent or if it's under budget, the funds go

2306
02:31:48,877 --> 02:31:52,157
back into the capital reserve. We don't continue to earmark

2307
02:31:52,157 --> 02:31:54,797
them for their original purpose. So they would be redistributed

2308
02:31:55,058 --> 02:31:58,717
in future multi - year capital plans. Um, that said,

2309
02:31:59,218 --> 02:32:03,917
we have been installing water filling stations consistently through a

2310
02:32:03,917 --> 02:32:06,077
number of years just recently we put one in the

2311
02:32:06,098 --> 02:32:09,277
Farmers Market washroom. We've put one in at the Bay

2312
02:32:09,277 --> 02:32:12,237
Shore more recently. So those have been happening on a

2313
02:32:12,258 --> 02:32:18,685
one - off ad hoc basis. That, yeah, thank you.

2314
02:32:18,725 --> 02:32:22,125
I appreciate that focus. The 2023 motion was specifically around

2315
02:32:22,946 --> 02:32:28,185
dedicating that budget to publicly accessible outdoor multi - use

2316
02:32:28,546 --> 02:32:35,083
water bottle fill and water fountain. Installations. And that under

2317
02:32:35,083 --> 02:32:38,043
the timing and scheduling section of the report, it says

2318
02:32:38,064 --> 02:32:41,163
the transition schedule is determined by capital planning framework and

2319
02:32:41,163 --> 02:32:44,363
the completion of site - specific assessments. Milestones are prioritized

2320
02:32:44,403 --> 02:32:48,203
based on staff capacity, capital resource availability, and the strategic

2321
02:32:48,224 --> 02:32:51,543
goal of enhancing public access and high traffic areas. And

2322
02:32:51,543 --> 02:32:53,563
the project aligns with the City's Anual Work Plan and

2323
02:32:53,603 --> 02:32:57,723
timelines are adjusted as needed to accommodate other organisational priorities,

2324
02:32:57,723 --> 02:33:02,140
ensuring that the transition remains responsive to Council's directives. And

2325
02:33:02,961 --> 02:33:06,540
yet we haven't since 2023 seen an outdoor water fountain

2326
02:33:06,801 --> 02:33:09,180
installed. And so I'm wondering if staff could tell us

2327
02:33:09,361 --> 02:33:12,700
whether there is currently a plan for when staff will

2328
02:33:12,740 --> 02:33:16,420
begin to explore outdoor public water stations in response to

2329
02:33:16,801 --> 02:33:20,060
the motion from three years ago, acknowledging that we haven't

2330
02:33:20,081 --> 02:33:22,620
spent the funding. So it's gone to other projects. We've

2331
02:33:22,620 --> 02:33:25,260
got a chance to get in 2027. And we know

2332
02:33:25,260 --> 02:33:28,780
that outdoor water fountains cost more than just putting a

2333
02:33:28,780 --> 02:33:32,620
unit in a wall. Um, what's the actual plan and

2334
02:33:32,660 --> 02:33:38,049
timeline. Three of your worship to Councillor Farmer. Thank you

2335
02:33:38,049 --> 02:33:41,409
for the question. So we do have a project for

2336
02:33:41,590 --> 02:33:50,049
2027. It's CAP 270025, which is 10, 000 dollars to

2337
02:33:50,049 --> 02:33:54,869
install a water station. Um, at this point, that project

2338
02:33:54,970 --> 02:33:58,629
is fully funded in our 27 Capitol Plan and staff

2339
02:33:58,730 --> 02:34:04,149
are currently, um, are completing site evaluations. For potential locations,

2340
02:34:04,149 --> 02:34:07,109
uh, if council were to have recommendations for spaces that

2341
02:34:07,149 --> 02:34:10,309
they could feel would be, we would be well warranted.

2342
02:34:10,309 --> 02:34:12,029
We would be open to that here in that as

2343
02:34:12,029 --> 02:34:17,287
well. Through the mayor, my concern is that this feels

2344
02:34:17,308 --> 02:34:20,727
a lot like the motion that we made in 2023.

2345
02:34:20,727 --> 02:34:24,087
And that type of unit that we discussed prioritizing has

2346
02:34:24,108 --> 02:34:31,636
not been installed anywhere. And so I'm. I'm going to

2347
02:34:31,636 --> 02:34:34,156
move that we accept the report for information purposes. And

2348
02:34:34,156 --> 02:34:35,836
then I'm going to move a subsequent motion that we

2349
02:34:35,937 --> 02:34:39,836
specifically put in the work planned for 2027 and outdoor

2350
02:34:39,857 --> 02:34:42,876
water fountain because the, I really appreciate the report and

2351
02:34:42,876 --> 02:34:44,476
the information that came back that made it clear that

2352
02:34:45,857 --> 02:34:48,556
they cost more money to buy. They cost more money.

2353
02:34:48,556 --> 02:34:53,116
And it's more complicated to install. There's winterization concerns, obviously.

2354
02:34:53,116 --> 02:34:55,436
And that none of those things have been worked into

2355
02:34:56,257 --> 02:34:59,816
the work plan. Um, and acknowledging staff bandwidth issues. And

2356
02:34:59,816 --> 02:35:03,016
that's why we have a capital projects coordinator now. But.

2357
02:35:04,378 --> 02:35:06,837
I'm just really confused about it not happening over a

2358
02:35:06,837 --> 02:35:09,557
series of years. We haven't increased the amount. We haven't

2359
02:35:09,597 --> 02:35:12,757
accrued the amount that would make this possible. And that's

2360
02:35:12,797 --> 02:35:15,157
why I'll make a subsequent motion. But I guess I'll

2361
02:35:15,197 --> 02:35:18,277
stop there and just move that we, um, receive the

2362
02:35:18,298 --> 02:35:25,441
report for information. Recommendation. Don't you dare. Recommendation before us.

2363
02:35:25,441 --> 02:35:27,441
He has moved the recommendation. Are there any questions on

2364
02:35:27,782 --> 02:35:33,856
it. Yes. Because there are a lot of residents out

2365
02:35:34,037 --> 02:35:37,456
there watching who identify themselves as taxpayers. And if you

2366
02:35:37,496 --> 02:35:40,176
read the report, it looks to be that there's 22

2367
02:35:40,197 --> 02:35:43,776
water bottle refilling stations that we have completed. And it's

2368
02:35:43,877 --> 02:35:46,816
a cause of 10, 000 dollars per unit. So point

2369
02:35:46,816 --> 02:35:52,576
of clarity. Have we expended 220, 000 dollars since 2017.

2370
02:35:53,381 --> 02:35:57,471
On water bottle refill stations. Because that's exactly how the

2371
02:35:57,652 --> 02:36:03,743
report reads. Through your worship, I wouldn't necessarily, I would

2372
02:36:03,743 --> 02:36:05,423
need some time to go back and figure out how

2373
02:36:05,423 --> 02:36:08,783
many of those were put in sort of individually. I'll

2374
02:36:08,783 --> 02:36:11,183
use an example City Hall has three. They were put

2375
02:36:11,223 --> 02:36:15,063
in as part of the rehabilitation of this facility. So

2376
02:36:15,204 --> 02:36:19,583
certainly some were put in as a one - off.

2377
02:36:19,583 --> 02:36:22,623
Others were captured as part of maybe building instruction, building

2378
02:36:22,644 --> 02:36:25,903
renovation. I would have to go back and see what

2379
02:36:25,943 --> 02:36:32,891
the nature of each of those installations was. Okay. So

2380
02:36:32,891 --> 02:36:37,638
we've got a recommendation in front of us. Which was

2381
02:36:37,638 --> 02:36:41,638
in consideration staff report 26 dies, 075 respecting an update

2382
02:36:41,638 --> 02:36:45,398
on the transition to outdoor public water stations, city council

2383
02:36:45,438 --> 02:36:49,078
receives this report for information purposes. I'm going to call

2384
02:36:49,078 --> 02:36:53,189
the question on favor. That's carried back to John. Thank

2385
02:36:53,229 --> 02:36:55,589
you. Through the mayor, I moved that the development of

2386
02:36:55,610 --> 02:36:59,029
a detailed project plan for the installation of an outdoor

2387
02:36:59,130 --> 02:37:03,249
water fountain, including the capital installation and operating costs. And

2388
02:37:03,450 --> 02:37:07,349
Identification of potential locations be included in the city's 2027

2389
02:37:07,450 --> 02:37:12,523
work plan. We made this original motion for this project

2390
02:37:12,864 --> 02:37:15,723
at budget meetings in 2023. Three years later, the project

2391
02:37:15,763 --> 02:37:19,741
hasn't moved ahead. We have that budget allocated for 2027

2392
02:37:20,082 --> 02:37:23,821
and the project already on the books. And I think

2393
02:37:23,821 --> 02:37:26,461
that could be used to help make our community safer

2394
02:37:26,482 --> 02:37:29,021
and more age - friendly by increasing public access to

2395
02:37:29,122 --> 02:37:31,741
water that doesn't rely on the buildings that have water

2396
02:37:32,002 --> 02:37:35,261
filling stations being open. I think it's time that we

2397
02:37:35,301 --> 02:37:37,901
at least see what the plan to make the plan

2398
02:37:38,962 --> 02:37:41,981
to move that forward would look like. So I'd like

2399
02:37:41,981 --> 02:37:43,741
to formally add that to the work plan. So it's

2400
02:37:43,741 --> 02:37:46,541
not another three years later when we're asking why I

2401
02:37:46,581 --> 02:37:49,629
can't get a drink of water on the street. When

2402
02:37:49,669 --> 02:37:58,504
the city halls closed. So we've passed a motion. It

2403
02:37:58,504 --> 02:38:03,744
is on the budget. What's different about this one? Uh,

2404
02:38:04,085 --> 02:38:10,772
through the mayor. The current budget line still says water

2405
02:38:10,793 --> 02:38:15,332
bottle refill stations. The report that we just passed highlighted

2406
02:38:15,372 --> 02:38:19,972
that water fountains are more expensive, both for purchasing them

2407
02:38:20,553 --> 02:38:23,492
and then all the infrastructure that goes into installing that

2408
02:38:23,532 --> 02:38:25,632
somewhere. You got to connect the water to something. Um,

2409
02:38:25,632 --> 02:38:27,732
it's recently come to my attention. You also need the

2410
02:38:27,772 --> 02:38:29,492
outflow to go summer. You can't just pour it on

2411
02:38:29,492 --> 02:38:34,132
the ground. Um, and it's not reading to me like

2412
02:38:34,473 --> 02:38:37,572
there has actually been the staff capacity or focus to

2413
02:38:37,572 --> 02:38:41,412
figure out how we get this budget that is dedicated

2414
02:38:41,452 --> 02:38:45,282
to getting people access to water. Outside of a building.

2415
02:38:45,948 --> 02:38:49,287
And if staffer identifying that they need the planning for

2416
02:38:49,287 --> 02:38:52,887
that, for those three stages, then I think we need

2417
02:38:52,887 --> 02:38:55,527
to formally add that to the work plan so that

2418
02:38:55,527 --> 02:38:57,607
it lands on the proper spreadsheet in the proper place

2419
02:38:57,788 --> 02:39:04,182
and doesn't get lost again. Where am I looking? Everyone's,

2420
02:39:04,222 --> 02:39:08,607
everyone's hands going up Kate. Uh, three year worship. A

2421
02:39:08,607 --> 02:39:10,887
number of the water bottle filling stations that we've installed

2422
02:39:11,308 --> 02:39:14,167
are exterior, um, I'll use one. I know the one

2423
02:39:14,207 --> 02:39:17,187
at Harrison Park. It gets winterized in the winter. Um,

2424
02:39:17,187 --> 02:39:21,447
there's one in Kelso Beach attached to the, um, good

2425
02:39:21,548 --> 02:39:24,567
cheer change house in washroom. Um, so there are a

2426
02:39:24,567 --> 02:39:26,487
number that are throughout town as well. We do have

2427
02:39:26,828 --> 02:39:29,927
the drinking fountain that is open across from the farmer's

2428
02:39:29,967 --> 02:39:33,527
market in that parquet currently. Um, so certainly we can

2429
02:39:33,567 --> 02:39:36,647
look at providing an outdoor water fountain, but it would

2430
02:39:36,647 --> 02:39:40,007
be helpful if the area that you're specifically seeking one

2431
02:39:40,348 --> 02:39:43,047
to have that information. We would be able to look

2432
02:39:43,308 --> 02:39:46,967
then at whether there's infrastructure in place to provide one.

2433
02:39:46,967 --> 02:39:50,087
Um, alternatively typically what we do is we look at

2434
02:39:50,087 --> 02:39:52,327
the projects that we're undertaking and now I'll use an

2435
02:39:52,367 --> 02:39:56,967
example. The entrance to this cemetery is a project that

2436
02:39:57,308 --> 02:40:01,327
is currently anticipated for 2027 when that moves forward, we

2437
02:40:01,327 --> 02:40:04,087
could look at an opportunity if we're enhancing that entrance

2438
02:40:04,127 --> 02:40:07,047
already at adding a water bottle filling station at the

2439
02:40:07,148 --> 02:40:10,647
entrance potentially on the exterior of the building. It would

2440
02:40:10,687 --> 02:40:12,727
have to be winterized in the winter if that were

2441
02:40:12,727 --> 02:40:16,567
the case. But, um, there's sort of a mix. There's

2442
02:40:16,828 --> 02:40:19,847
inside stations, outside stations. So if there's something more specific

2443
02:40:19,948 --> 02:40:22,567
that you would like us to look at, we'd be

2444
02:40:22,607 --> 02:40:24,567
happy to build that in. But I do think that

2445
02:40:24,988 --> 02:40:27,287
consideration is made when we look at where we put

2446
02:40:27,308 --> 02:40:33,874
water bottle filling stations every year. Just recognising Councillor Farmer's

2447
02:40:33,914 --> 02:40:36,419
motion. So it is on the table. Councillor Dodge, you

2448
02:40:36,419 --> 02:40:39,649
had your hand up. Thank you, worship. I was just

2449
02:40:39,649 --> 02:40:42,209
going to go back and say, um, historically back in

2450
02:40:42,249 --> 02:40:44,769
the day when we started this policy or this way

2451
02:40:44,769 --> 02:40:47,729
we were going to do this staff identified multiple different

2452
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:50,449
locations that we're going to be included in this. And

2453
02:40:50,449 --> 02:40:52,849
now my only recommendation to Councillor Farmer was that if

2454
02:40:52,849 --> 02:40:54,529
there was a specific location that you'd like to be

2455
02:40:54,529 --> 02:40:58,449
included in the 2027 budget just to provide that to

2456
02:40:58,449 --> 02:41:02,948
staff and have that, uh, more detailed. Council Merton, you're

2457
02:41:02,948 --> 02:41:05,268
handed up anyone this way. Their hand is up. Nope.

2458
02:41:05,268 --> 02:41:09,220
Okay. I'm going to call the question. If you haven't

2459
02:41:09,260 --> 02:41:12,780
beaten the daylights out of it already. Thank you. At

2460
02:41:12,780 --> 02:41:17,060
the risk of it getting darker, um, if we cast

2461
02:41:17,060 --> 02:41:18,900
our memories back to when Brady was standing at the

2462
02:41:18,940 --> 02:41:21,620
podium in 2023 and he had to slide up that

2463
02:41:21,660 --> 02:41:23,700
showed a water bottleing station and then in the other

2464
02:41:23,721 --> 02:41:28,580
corner of the slide was three tiered thing that had

2465
02:41:28,921 --> 02:41:31,060
water fountain. It had a thing for dogs. It had

2466
02:41:31,060 --> 02:41:34,660
a place to fill your water bottle. And that the

2467
02:41:34,700 --> 02:41:38,700
discussion at that time was in fact initially, I think

2468
02:41:38,700 --> 02:41:41,300
maybe Councillor Hamily moved the motion to say, we've got

2469
02:41:41,340 --> 02:41:43,700
all these water bottle filling stations. Let's just pull this

2470
02:41:43,700 --> 02:41:46,020
from the budget where we filled all the places that

2471
02:41:46,060 --> 02:41:49,780
we possibly can for water bottle refilling stations. We collectively

2472
02:41:49,881 --> 02:41:53,620
moved to say, yeah, there's probably enough inside. There's three

2473
02:41:53,721 --> 02:41:56,660
in City Hall. There's all these other places. But there

2474
02:41:56,681 --> 02:41:59,220
is still a need for people to access water that

2475
02:41:59,220 --> 02:42:02,100
is not inside one of these buildings. And that was

2476
02:42:02,140 --> 02:42:04,660
why we made the motion in 2023. And I'm not

2477
02:42:04,681 --> 02:42:08,500
hearing from staff that in the current project allocation that

2478
02:42:08,500 --> 02:42:11,940
we've actually dedicated the focus or enough funding to actually

2479
02:42:12,041 --> 02:42:16,820
put in another water fountain somewhere. And I really think

2480
02:42:16,820 --> 02:42:20,340
that's important. I'm also, I totally hear Councillor Dodd saying,

2481
02:42:20,340 --> 02:42:22,740
if you want to be more specific, be more specific.

2482
02:42:22,740 --> 02:42:25,700
I'm just also conscious that I don't know what from

2483
02:42:25,740 --> 02:42:28,340
a technical perspective where all of the ideal locations would

2484
02:42:28,340 --> 02:42:32,340
be. I see people every day down at the corner

2485
02:42:32,380 --> 02:42:35,180
of First Avenue East and Ninth Street East. I think

2486
02:42:35,180 --> 02:42:37,780
that could be a place for an outdoor water fountain.

2487
02:42:37,780 --> 02:42:42,980
I think that in the 800 or 900, I'm just

2488
02:42:43,020 --> 02:42:45,060
going to cut you off there. Send it into them.

2489
02:42:45,060 --> 02:42:47,780
We've got to keep moving here. Okay. So the motion

2490
02:42:47,820 --> 02:42:52,672
is on the floor all in favor. One, two, three

2491
02:42:53,093 --> 02:42:59,964
opposed. One, two, three, four, five. So that's defeated. We

2492
02:42:59,985 --> 02:43:02,684
already moved the motion that was in the recommendation. Okay.

2493
02:43:02,705 --> 02:43:06,603
We're good. So we're down to 12A. Medici Community Services

2494
02:43:06,784 --> 02:43:11,083
Committee meeting held on July 22nd, 2026 Counseling Metal Bro,

2495
02:43:11,083 --> 02:43:18,764
I think. Community Services. Sorry, I was in a days

2496
02:43:18,764 --> 02:43:25,596
after that. Okay. Community Services meeting minutes from July 22nd.

2497
02:43:25,596 --> 02:43:30,153
We confirmed the minutes of the June 24th meeting. Committee

2498
02:43:30,193 --> 02:43:33,993
received report CS - 26073 from the Director of Community

2499
02:43:33,993 --> 02:43:39,913
Services regarding the 2026 Ontario Structure Inspection of the Rainbow

2500
02:43:39,934 --> 02:43:45,159
Bridge at Harrison Park. The bridge gets checked every two

2501
02:43:45,180 --> 02:43:49,559
years. And in 2024, when it was checked, there were

2502
02:43:49,559 --> 02:43:54,659
some minor deficiencies noticed and some work was done. But

2503
02:43:54,860 --> 02:44:03,959
in the 2026 structure report, there were major deficiencies. The

2504
02:44:03,980 --> 02:44:06,919
bridge had deteriorated significantly to the point that the engineer

2505
02:44:06,940 --> 02:44:11,879
recommended immediately prohibiting vehicle crossings on the bridge, but pedestrian

2506
02:44:11,900 --> 02:44:16,530
use can continue. Staff are working on various options for

2507
02:44:16,570 --> 02:44:20,370
either repair or replacement coming up with funding strategies and

2508
02:44:20,551 --> 02:44:23,890
strategy for winter snow removal since you cannot have vehicles

2509
02:44:23,890 --> 02:44:27,010
on the bridge. And they're going to report back to

2510
02:44:27,271 --> 02:44:31,490
committee in September of 2026. So that was received for

2511
02:44:31,831 --> 02:44:36,800
information. Committee received report CM - 26022 from senior manager

2512
02:44:36,821 --> 02:44:40,560
of strategic initiatives and operational effectiveness regarding the transfer of

2513
02:44:40,600 --> 02:44:44,480
artifacts to grey roots museum and archives. This report came

2514
02:44:44,741 --> 02:44:47,840
as a result of a service review initiative supporting lean

2515
02:44:48,021 --> 02:44:52,000
continuous improvement across the organisation. The artifacts are being improperly

2516
02:44:52,101 --> 02:44:56,000
stored at public works and have been deteriorating grey roots

2517
02:44:56,101 --> 02:44:58,160
has requested to take the artifacts as part of their

2518
02:44:58,160 --> 02:45:02,080
collection and they will be restored. Committee recommended that Council

2519
02:45:02,120 --> 02:45:05,600
approved the transfer donation request for the five bells, four

2520
02:45:05,600 --> 02:45:10,082
clock faces and the clock mechanism. Committee also received report

2521
02:45:10,103 --> 02:45:14,882
CS - 26072 from senior planner regarding Community Improvement Program

2522
02:45:15,143 --> 02:45:18,382
Grant Application for 612 Second Avenue East, which is the

2523
02:45:18,583 --> 02:45:23,842
Safe and Sound location of the new emergency shelter. Safe

2524
02:45:23,842 --> 02:45:26,562
and Sound had applied for funding under three different streams

2525
02:45:26,562 --> 02:45:30,242
of the CIP program, The Vacant Building Conversion and Expansion

2526
02:45:30,263 --> 02:45:34,082
Grant for up to 10, 000 accessibility improvement grant up

2527
02:45:34,122 --> 02:45:36,962
to 10, 000 and landscaping your property improvement grant up

2528
02:45:37,002 --> 02:45:39,202
to 10, 000. The fund has been well used this

2529
02:45:39,202 --> 02:45:42,722
year and the 13, 000 dollars available. So as part

2530
02:45:42,722 --> 02:45:46,962
of the recommendation and the report, um, staff recommended approving

2531
02:45:46,962 --> 02:45:50,322
the funding of the three - steed streams, uh, drawing

2532
02:45:50,362 --> 02:45:53,602
17, 000 out of reserves to cover the balance of

2533
02:45:53,602 --> 02:45:56,482
the three grants and then to approve another draw of

2534
02:45:56,903 --> 02:46:00,722
25, 000 from reserves to fund any additional applications coming

2535
02:46:00,903 --> 02:46:04,318
forward for the remainder of 2026. This would leave a

2536
02:46:05,059 --> 02:46:09,038
reserve balance of 43, 000 dollars and committee approved that

2537
02:46:09,078 --> 02:46:14,078
recommendation We received report CS - 26074 from manager of

2538
02:46:14,259 --> 02:46:19,838
planning inheritage regarding public art installation at intersections would collaborative,

2539
02:46:19,838 --> 02:46:23,038
289 - 10th Street East, a mural of a realistic

2540
02:46:23,299 --> 02:46:27,038
woodpecker is to be painted by a local artist, Sarah

2541
02:46:27,038 --> 02:46:29,438
Macombe Turbit, and it's being proposed for the side of

2542
02:46:29,438 --> 02:46:32,798
the building facing third avenue east. City does not have

2543
02:46:32,899 --> 02:46:36,318
a mural policy in place currently. Staff recommended that the

2544
02:46:36,339 --> 02:46:39,598
mural proposal be approved subject to the owner getting a

2545
02:46:39,699 --> 02:46:43,198
temporary encriptment permit for the work to be done with

2546
02:46:44,339 --> 02:46:47,198
on the city sidewalk and that the artist provide a

2547
02:46:47,238 --> 02:46:50,478
final sketch to the satisfaction of the city and that

2548
02:46:50,518 --> 02:46:54,238
staff consider an application to the CIP landscaping and property

2549
02:46:54,339 --> 02:46:58,158
improvement, uh, program should one come forward even after the

2550
02:46:58,179 --> 02:47:02,660
work has commenced. And Committee approved that recommendation. We received

2551
02:47:02,660 --> 02:47:07,060
the development update for June, notable things in June where

2552
02:47:07,060 --> 02:47:10,820
the harbour west building number two has started construction, Skydev

2553
02:47:10,860 --> 02:47:13,780
building number three is under construction, Safe and Sound has

2554
02:47:13,820 --> 02:47:17,380
received their permit for the emergency shelter, uh, farmers market

2555
02:47:17,401 --> 02:47:22,100
washroom is now completed. And Padjay Heights submitted an application

2556
02:47:22,441 --> 02:47:25,380
for site approval for the Georgian Heights Building Onten Street

2557
02:47:25,380 --> 02:47:29,302
East. In additional business, we had a reminder about the

2558
02:47:29,323 --> 02:47:32,902
municipal election, updates on Owen Heights and Comrade Park Playground

2559
02:47:33,323 --> 02:47:37,542
replacements that they are now complete. Weavers Creek Boardwalk is

2560
02:47:37,582 --> 02:47:41,542
going to be reconstructed starting in August. The Harrison Park

2561
02:47:41,582 --> 02:47:45,142
Mercury work is done and a reminder that the park

2562
02:47:45,142 --> 02:47:48,182
naming for the former Ryerson Park is underway. People can

2563
02:47:48,182 --> 02:47:52,182
vote on our city Owen Sound until August 28th. With

2564
02:47:52,182 --> 02:47:54,262
that, I move receipt of the minutes of the Community

2565
02:47:54,283 --> 02:47:58,342
Services Meeting of July 22nd and the recommendations contained within,

2566
02:47:58,342 --> 02:48:00,562
and I can take any questions. Good, thank you. Any

2567
02:48:00,562 --> 02:48:04,875
questions. Seeing none, call the question all in favor. That

2568
02:48:04,896 --> 02:48:10,155
has carried. Next, Councillor Coucration minutes the Corporate Services Committee

2569
02:48:10,195 --> 02:48:15,557
meeting held in July 9th, 2026. Thank you, Overship, through

2570
02:48:15,557 --> 02:48:19,397
you. The Corporate Services Committee was held on July 9,

2571
02:48:19,397 --> 02:48:22,597
2026 at 5. 30 p. m. at the City Council

2572
02:48:22,618 --> 02:48:25,557
Chambers. It was a short meeting. We only had two

2573
02:48:25,597 --> 02:48:28,757
reports that were presented under parking and by - law

2574
02:48:28,778 --> 02:48:33,397
enforcements. The first report was the staff report CR -

2575
02:48:33,397 --> 02:48:38,597
26067, respecting the regulatory by - law management policy. Number

2576
02:48:38,618 --> 02:48:42,237
AF - 015. It was presented by the By -

2577
02:48:42,237 --> 02:48:46,717
Law Enforcement Supervisor. The report recommended adopting regularly by -

2578
02:48:46,717 --> 02:48:52,077
law policy. Number AF - 015 and repeal Bylord Revision

2579
02:48:52,178 --> 02:48:57,986
and Review Policy Number CS - 73. The second report,

2580
02:48:57,986 --> 02:49:02,786
which was the CR - 26068, highlighted property standards by

2581
02:49:02,887 --> 02:49:07,106
- law, the Saint - Bylor and new vital services

2582
02:49:07,447 --> 02:49:11,791
by - law. The report proposed updates to the property

2583
02:49:11,831 --> 02:49:16,751
standards by - law to address concerns regarding moles, pests,

2584
02:49:17,172 --> 02:49:20,991
vacant lots, damage buildings, so that they align for the

2585
02:49:20,991 --> 02:49:24,545
city's by - law. A new vital science service by

2586
02:49:24,585 --> 02:49:28,145
- law was proposed to ensure that adequate and suitable

2587
02:49:28,726 --> 02:49:33,745
vital services were provided and available in rental units. With

2588
02:49:33,745 --> 02:49:38,065
that, I request the approval and recept of the minutes.

2589
02:49:39,279 --> 02:49:43,565
And anyone have any questions, Councillor Farmer. Thank you to

2590
02:49:43,666 --> 02:49:46,365
the mayor. I'm so excited to see the vital services

2591
02:49:46,946 --> 02:49:52,125
by - law coming into effect. Um, and to CS,

2592
02:49:52,125 --> 02:49:54,765
like, move on the rent - safe recommendations and all

2593
02:49:54,765 --> 02:49:57,005
that community work that took place over so many years.

2594
02:49:58,418 --> 02:50:01,197
It's also the middle of July, and it's really hot

2595
02:50:01,237 --> 02:50:05,837
outside. And I've lived in upper floor brick apartments that

2596
02:50:05,938 --> 02:50:09,677
aren't cooled sufficiently. And I'm curious whether there was any

2597
02:50:09,698 --> 02:50:14,477
consideration given to adding a maximum temperature component to the

2598
02:50:14,578 --> 02:50:18,317
vital services bylaw, or like a right to cooling, anything

2599
02:50:18,317 --> 02:50:21,997
like that, so that as we increasingly see high temperatures,

2600
02:50:21,997 --> 02:50:24,797
uh, that were not baking people in their apartments when

2601
02:50:24,837 --> 02:50:30,175
we could be adding that to the legislation. Just about

2602
02:50:30,196 --> 02:50:36,201
demoted to you again, Ms. Bloomfield. Thank you, worship, and

2603
02:50:36,201 --> 02:50:39,101
thanks to the councillor for providing this question in advance

2604
02:50:39,122 --> 02:50:41,741
as I was able to, um, coordinated response with the

2605
02:50:41,922 --> 02:50:46,381
Bylaw Supervisor, which I will read out. So section 11C

2606
02:50:46,381 --> 02:50:49,741
of the proposed bylaw requires that a landlord provides suitably

2607
02:50:49,781 --> 02:50:53,926
cool air. Which is a maximum of 26 degrees Celsius.

2608
02:50:53,926 --> 02:50:56,006
If the lease agreement outlines that an air conditioning system

2609
02:50:56,027 --> 02:50:59,206
is provided, this allows Bylaw to order the repair of

2610
02:50:59,246 --> 02:51:01,926
an air conditioning system if it is not operable or

2611
02:51:01,966 --> 02:51:04,486
charged the owner if they remove it or fail to

2612
02:51:04,526 --> 02:51:06,646
maintain it without a legal amendment to the lease agreement.

2613
02:51:08,543 --> 02:51:12,842
Under the residential tendencies act effect of July 1st. Tenants

2614
02:51:12,882 --> 02:51:15,642
may install a window or portable air conditioner, even where

2615
02:51:15,663 --> 02:51:18,282
at least prohibits it, provided they meet the prescribed conditions

2616
02:51:18,543 --> 02:51:22,042
and notify the landlord in writing. Landlords may apply a

2617
02:51:22,042 --> 02:51:26,042
seasonal rent increase to recover eligible electricity costs. There are

2618
02:51:26,082 --> 02:51:28,922
currently no municipal biles on Ontario that require all rental

2619
02:51:28,922 --> 02:51:32,362
properties to have permanent cooling systems. Such a program would

2620
02:51:32,362 --> 02:51:35,002
require the retrofit and our renovation of billings to install

2621
02:51:35,103 --> 02:51:38,522
a cooling system, which could impact the availability and affordability

2622
02:51:38,703 --> 02:51:41,322
of rental units in the city. The City of Toronto

2623
02:51:41,583 --> 02:51:44,662
and Hamilton are currently researching a maximum heat bylaw, and

2624
02:51:44,662 --> 02:51:48,900
we will monitor these initiatives. Okay, I'm going to call

2625
02:51:48,900 --> 02:51:52,820
the question again then. On favor, that's carried. So then

2626
02:51:53,241 --> 02:51:56,900
is minutes of operations committee meeting held on July 23rd,

2627
02:51:56,940 --> 02:52:04,124
2026, and that's 12C in the agenda. The July operating

2628
02:52:04,305 --> 02:52:08,364
service minutes from their committee recommends to counsel to authorize

2629
02:52:08,545 --> 02:52:12,764
utilising up to 35, 000 dollars to investigate opening Geno

2630
02:52:12,804 --> 02:52:16,124
landfill site for the disposal of excess soils. This would

2631
02:52:16,124 --> 02:52:19,164
be similar to the former Derby landfill, which took access

2632
02:52:19,265 --> 02:52:23,844
soils till 2025. Utilising a portion of the genocyte, it

2633
02:52:23,844 --> 02:52:26,444
is possible that up to 300, 000 cubic metres could

2634
02:52:26,465 --> 02:52:29,964
be stored there consisting of excess soils and public works

2635
02:52:30,065 --> 02:52:33,084
materials, some of which for storage or reuse such as

2636
02:52:33,185 --> 02:52:38,124
tree materials. Work at reopening for residential waste disposal options

2637
02:52:38,385 --> 02:52:40,844
would be placed on hold while the county completes its

2638
02:52:41,025 --> 02:52:44,604
regional waste study. And you will city activities can produce

2639
02:52:44,705 --> 02:52:51,084
between 4600 metric tons. And at a cost of between

2640
02:52:51,985 --> 02:52:57,244
105 to 175 dollars per tone, a considerable liability exists

2641
02:52:57,345 --> 02:53:00,833
to store such materials externally. Further studies will be completed

2642
02:53:00,873 --> 02:53:04,993
by the existing consultant and incorporated into existing staff work

2643
02:53:05,033 --> 02:53:08,558
plans. Committee had to report and recommends council to return

2644
02:53:08,598 --> 02:53:11,438
to the 30 - minute transit intervals following the 45

2645
02:53:11,478 --> 02:53:14,078
- minute trial, while the six - month pilot showed

2646
02:53:14,118 --> 02:53:17,918
some favorable results in margin, April missed runs increased in

2647
02:53:18,099 --> 02:53:21,598
May and June. Public feedback was gathered through surveys and

2648
02:53:21,638 --> 02:53:27,758
assessing 89 surveys completed and citing the 45 - minute

2649
02:53:27,798 --> 02:53:32,238
cycles as less convenient and not improving service reliability. Staff

2650
02:53:32,259 --> 02:53:34,478
and the transit operator will continue to look at opportunities

2651
02:53:34,499 --> 02:53:38,478
to locate operational improvements to reduce delays. The final report

2652
02:53:38,659 --> 02:53:43,198
regarding the transit app was received for information. The 2024

2653
02:53:43,379 --> 02:53:47,118
implementation of the GPS tracking servicing, the app, and improving

2654
02:53:47,158 --> 02:53:51,838
customer experience has been successful. There are issues when spare

2655
02:53:51,838 --> 02:53:54,718
buses are used, so staff are wishing to purchase GPS

2656
02:53:54,758 --> 02:53:58,638
systems, which being in a bag are portable and transferable

2657
02:53:58,659 --> 02:54:02,318
to spare buses. The approximate 10, 000 dollar cost would

2658
02:54:02,358 --> 02:54:07,358
be utilising remaining funds from the original capital project. Staff

2659
02:54:07,619 --> 02:54:10,558
also continue to work with Google to integrate the GPS

2660
02:54:10,659 --> 02:54:14,558
data into Google Transit to offer customers and option without

2661
02:54:14,739 --> 02:54:19,408
needing an additional transit app. A note of motion was

2662
02:54:19,448 --> 02:54:22,528
voted down regarding reporting back - related to a bus

2663
02:54:22,629 --> 02:54:25,888
and child incident a couple months ago. Staff responded that

2664
02:54:26,629 --> 02:54:29,728
there are processes currently in place which had staff attend

2665
02:54:29,989 --> 02:54:33,248
assess and collect data needed to inform any future decisions

2666
02:54:33,269 --> 02:54:38,348
about solutions, which are required enhancing safety for everyone. And

2667
02:54:38,348 --> 02:54:40,448
I would note that staff do make it part of

2668
02:54:40,869 --> 02:54:44,688
their work in responding back to individuals that have submitted

2669
02:54:45,669 --> 02:54:50,448
ideas or concerns. Welcome questions and asked councils endorsement of

2670
02:54:50,469 --> 02:54:57,247
the resolutions contained within. Questions. Seeing none, call the question

2671
02:54:57,428 --> 02:55:01,007
all in favor that has carried. So that gets us

2672
02:55:01,007 --> 02:55:04,887
through the reports. We're down to 13 matters postponed. We

2673
02:55:04,887 --> 02:55:08,767
have no postpone matters. Uh, motions for which notice was

2674
02:55:08,767 --> 02:55:11,887
previously given, and we have none discussion of additional business

2675
02:55:12,468 --> 02:55:16,879
councillor firmer. I think you had two items. Uh, yeah,

2676
02:55:16,879 --> 02:55:19,279
thank you. Through the mayor, my first item, uh, related

2677
02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:22,079
to bandit fests. So the third annual banded fest, which

2678
02:55:22,079 --> 02:55:26,159
is organised by local teens, um, including the organiser who

2679
02:55:26,199 --> 02:55:28,799
was our 2025 youth volunteer of the year, all of

2680
02:55:28,820 --> 02:55:32,459
Browski, uh, took place a week, two weeks ago. Um,

2681
02:55:32,660 --> 02:55:34,799
they brought young bands from near and far and hosted

2682
02:55:34,900 --> 02:55:37,679
the performances as well as a craft vendor market in

2683
02:55:37,679 --> 02:55:40,319
downtown venues and businesses, uh, it was great to see

2684
02:55:40,500 --> 02:55:43,919
an all ages grassroots event in livening downtown. And I

2685
02:55:44,020 --> 02:55:46,399
want to congratulate the organisers and thank them for their

2686
02:55:46,439 --> 02:55:50,139
work in making Owen Sound a great place. And, uh,

2687
02:55:50,260 --> 02:55:51,759
giving my one - year - old a chance to

2688
02:55:52,500 --> 02:55:55,039
get closer to the mosh pit than she normally does.

2689
02:55:55,460 --> 02:55:58,799
Uh, she was so enthusiastic. Uh, my second item was

2690
02:55:59,460 --> 02:56:02,159
just highlighting, so Councillor Merten brought at a previous meeting

2691
02:56:02,199 --> 02:56:07,439
that there municipal candidates, education session, hosted by the poverty

2692
02:56:07,460 --> 02:56:10,399
task force. But now there's a poster. And I just

2693
02:56:10,500 --> 02:56:14,319
wanted to bring that up and highlight that, uh, that's

2694
02:56:14,319 --> 02:56:17,599
happening Friday, September 18th. And that more information is available

2695
02:56:17,780 --> 02:56:23,776
both on the poster and at povertytask force. com. Thank

2696
02:56:23,776 --> 02:56:29,978
you Councillor Merten. Through you mayor. Today there was an

2697
02:56:30,159 --> 02:56:36,138
immediate media release from Southwestern Ontario Public Health Units and

2698
02:56:36,178 --> 02:56:40,580
a call for action. This is in relation to household

2699
02:56:40,841 --> 02:56:46,180
food insecurity, which links to poor physical and mental health

2700
02:56:46,841 --> 02:56:50,727
and a higher risk of chronic disease. And increased pressure

2701
02:56:50,767 --> 02:56:54,847
on our health care system. Among children and youth, it

2702
02:56:54,847 --> 02:57:00,087
impacts concentration, memory, mood, and motor skills, making it harder

2703
02:57:00,108 --> 02:57:03,767
to succeed in school. I bring this forward because we

2704
02:57:03,868 --> 02:57:09,339
all can do something about this. We are told what

2705
02:57:09,379 --> 02:57:14,539
needs to change. Public health units across southwest Ontario, including

2706
02:57:15,040 --> 02:57:19,259
ours locally. Support solutions which acknowledge that the root cause

2707
02:57:19,280 --> 02:57:24,699
of household food insecurity is inadequate income. And they propose

2708
02:57:25,200 --> 02:57:30,740
the following measures. Increase the social assistance rates, including Ontario

2709
02:57:31,001 --> 02:57:37,025
works. Improving income supports for low and modest income housing.

2710
02:57:37,065 --> 02:57:41,505
A households and implementing policies that reduce the cost of

2711
02:57:41,526 --> 02:57:47,025
housing and essential living expenses. And everyone is asked to

2712
02:57:47,065 --> 02:57:50,545
take apart. So what you can do as part of

2713
02:57:50,566 --> 02:57:53,985
the rule in addressing household food insecurity is to learn

2714
02:57:54,025 --> 02:57:59,105
more about how income impacts access to food. There is

2715
02:57:59,105 --> 02:58:03,105
a report from the Ontario dieticians and public health. They're

2716
02:58:03,145 --> 02:58:08,145
called to action. And our poverty task force, excuse me,

2717
02:58:08,486 --> 02:58:11,345
also has links to additional information about the importance of

2718
02:58:11,446 --> 02:58:17,516
income security in relation to people who are hungry. Also

2719
02:58:18,817 --> 02:58:23,196
we are encouraging the public to engage local elected officials

2720
02:58:24,017 --> 02:58:29,256
and to have discussions around income - based solutions. And

2721
02:58:29,256 --> 02:58:35,276
to support our community organisations volunteering, donations, while recognising that

2722
02:58:35,617 --> 02:58:40,076
food programs alone cannot solve this issue. I encourage you

2723
02:58:40,097 --> 02:58:44,156
to look for the media release. There is a quote,

2724
02:58:44,156 --> 02:58:49,436
certainly from our local assistant, um, uh, MOH. And this

2725
02:58:50,017 --> 02:58:53,676
packs all across southwestern Ontario. It is a critical issue

2726
02:58:53,937 --> 02:59:00,743
facing all of our communities. Thank you. Thank you. Deputy

2727
02:59:00,764 --> 02:59:07,641
Mayor Grey, can I pass the chair to you. Yes.

2728
02:59:07,641 --> 02:59:13,100
Um, back to you, Mayor Buddy. Thank you. I want

2729
02:59:13,100 --> 02:59:16,860
to talk about George McCollege here. Um, is everyone knows

2730
02:59:17,521 --> 02:59:23,640
colleges were running into financial squeeze in the spring. And

2731
02:59:23,640 --> 02:59:31,430
it hasn't really gone away. Uh, the loss of international

2732
02:59:31,470 --> 02:59:35,030
students, the shrinking of international students that have been able

2733
02:59:35,030 --> 02:59:41,430
to come, uh, tuitions were frozen at 2019 levels. And

2734
02:59:41,430 --> 02:59:46,276
then the financial, um. Grant from the province was lacking

2735
02:59:46,617 --> 02:59:49,517
and it has been upgraded. Uh, back in the spring,

2736
02:59:49,517 --> 02:59:52,877
I attended Georgian College Barry Campus, uh, with other municipal

2737
02:59:53,698 --> 02:59:58,557
regional provincial and federal elected officials to discuss our commitment

2738
02:59:58,597 --> 03:00:04,486
to working together to drive meaningful lasting pact. We were

2739
03:00:04,486 --> 03:00:07,206
able to receive an insight from their recent labour market

2740
03:00:07,467 --> 03:00:11,766
study and advance conversations about how we can achieve shared

2741
03:00:11,766 --> 03:00:15,126
goals. I was unable to find that labour market study

2742
03:00:16,667 --> 03:00:20,006
on a desk somewhere, but I couldn't find it. They

2743
03:00:20,046 --> 03:00:22,966
have gone and looked at what is needed for future

2744
03:00:23,067 --> 03:00:26,326
labour in this region and all around and tried to

2745
03:00:26,667 --> 03:00:33,227
gear themselves towards that. The labour force is not going

2746
03:00:33,227 --> 03:00:35,947
to be ready for the things that are coming without

2747
03:00:36,048 --> 03:00:41,547
colleges training and developing. And Georgian College is pretty important

2748
03:00:42,208 --> 03:00:47,199
for that. I met again more in June, as I

2749
03:00:47,199 --> 03:00:51,999
recall, with George and College, the president and senior staff

2750
03:00:52,740 --> 03:00:56,879
in on Sound and carried on the conversation. The main

2751
03:00:57,060 --> 03:01:00,559
message was that strong partnerships and bold solutions are essential

2752
03:01:00,599 --> 03:01:05,439
to address the complex workforce, social economic challenges facing a

2753
03:01:05,479 --> 03:01:10,079
region. Collaboration is essential and will ensure where future ready

2754
03:01:10,260 --> 03:01:14,239
and resilient. For all the jobs and economic drivers that

2755
03:01:14,279 --> 03:01:17,599
we want to have built out in the coming years,

2756
03:01:17,599 --> 03:01:19,919
George and College is leading the way with programs to

2757
03:01:19,940 --> 03:01:23,913
have people ready to fill those labour needs. We've got

2758
03:01:24,654 --> 03:01:28,473
a full - time, sorry, the fall complete honours bachelor

2759
03:01:28,494 --> 03:01:32,073
of science nursing program started four years ago, the first

2760
03:01:32,174 --> 03:01:36,273
cohort just graduated this spring. This is within - on

2761
03:01:36,334 --> 03:01:41,593
- sound marine navigation, marine engineering, their marine emergency duties

2762
03:01:42,654 --> 03:01:45,193
where everyone that's working on the Great Lakes Praders have

2763
03:01:45,233 --> 03:01:48,553
to come in and be trained. So they've got to

2764
03:01:48,553 --> 03:01:50,793
be firefighters. There are going to be emergency workers on

2765
03:01:50,793 --> 03:01:54,153
a boat. They can't phone the ambulance or the fire

2766
03:01:54,193 --> 03:01:56,553
truck to come and find them. So they all have

2767
03:01:56,553 --> 03:01:58,393
to be trained. They come in for a couple of

2768
03:01:58,393 --> 03:02:01,433
weeks here, so they're staying at hotels eating at restaurants,

2769
03:02:01,433 --> 03:02:07,513
etc. Power engineering is pretty important. There's power staffing skilled

2770
03:02:07,553 --> 03:02:10,713
trades are being beefed up in this area. Early childhood

2771
03:02:10,894 --> 03:02:13,673
education, I believe has just starting. All of these are

2772
03:02:14,974 --> 03:02:17,913
geared for where labour markets in our region will need

2773
03:02:17,913 --> 03:02:20,953
to be in the coming years. So due to the

2774
03:02:21,294 --> 03:02:25,478
frozen, I hit that. Yeah, due to the frozen tuition

2775
03:02:25,739 --> 03:02:30,758
and declining the international students and underfunding. Georgian College had

2776
03:02:30,798 --> 03:02:34,118
to make some pretty tough decisions and they closed two

2777
03:02:34,158 --> 03:02:37,718
campuses and cut a lot of programs. They did not

2778
03:02:38,059 --> 03:02:40,518
cut here. We were lucky that our campus was not

2779
03:02:40,518 --> 03:02:43,398
one of them that was cut. In the past throughout

2780
03:02:44,139 --> 03:02:46,278
my history and Owen Sound, I remember every time the

2781
03:02:46,318 --> 03:02:48,518
money got caught, it was on sound that seemed to

2782
03:02:48,518 --> 03:02:52,598
lose arts programs and the nursing programs and all those

2783
03:02:52,598 --> 03:02:56,198
things got pulled back. So we're pleased that we're able

2784
03:02:56,198 --> 03:02:59,478
to keep those programs going here.

2785
03:03:05,892 --> 03:03:11,471
Economic impact, so this goes back to 2023. The ONCO

2786
03:03:11,572 --> 03:03:16,431
campus adds approximately 105 million dollars in income to Green

2787
03:03:16,452 --> 03:03:23,071
Bruce Coconomy. Value approximately equal to 1. 2 total gross

2788
03:03:23,092 --> 03:03:31,151
regional product. You don't sound campus impacts supported 1, 311

2789
03:03:31,332 --> 03:03:37,887
regional jobs. Students support one out of every 59 jobs

2790
03:03:38,228 --> 03:03:41,967
in Greyborough's counties. The own sound campus employees a hundred

2791
03:03:41,967 --> 03:03:46,047
full - time equivalent employees. Payroll amounts to 12. 2

2792
03:03:46,087 --> 03:03:49,247
million dollars, much of which is spent in grocery stores

2793
03:03:49,287 --> 03:03:53,967
on mortgages, rents, dining out in the community. Use the

2794
03:03:53,967 --> 03:04:00,287
economic multiplier effect, which is 2. 5 to three probably.

2795
03:04:01,776 --> 03:04:06,875
That dollar turns over. The grocery store owner goes and

2796
03:04:06,896 --> 03:04:10,795
pays employees. They go out and buy things. So it

2797
03:04:10,835 --> 03:04:17,362
keeps turning. The College spent another 4. 1 million on

2798
03:04:17,543 --> 03:04:20,882
day - to - day expenses related to facilities, supplies

2799
03:04:20,983 --> 03:04:25,922
and professional services. That impact of the college's operations spending

2800
03:04:27,063 --> 03:04:30,722
added 15. 1 million to the income of the Regional

2801
03:04:30,823 --> 03:04:40,051
Economy. From outside the region. So 20

2802
03:04:42,392 --> 03:04:49,687
to unsound rent spend money. Buy food. Some of them

2803
03:04:49,708 --> 03:04:53,527
stay. These students spend money in groceries mortgages rent payments

2804
03:04:53,628 --> 03:04:58,712
in the region. Adding about 1. 3 million dollars in

2805
03:04:58,752 --> 03:05:03,705
income to Grey Baruch's economies. To get to that, whatever

2806
03:05:03,966 --> 03:05:08,025
I said first, the 105 million, approximately 88. 6 million

2807
03:05:08,366 --> 03:05:13,065
is attributed to the income of alumni and graduates that

2808
03:05:13,086 --> 03:05:20,505
are working with their acquired knowledge of skills. There's thousands

2809
03:05:20,505 --> 03:05:29,808
of them. Working in Grey and Bruce counties. So Enson

2810
03:05:29,848 --> 03:05:35,008
Campus 2020, this is going back to 22, 23. Students

2811
03:05:35,109 --> 03:05:38,048
paid a present value of about 5. 2 million dollars

2812
03:05:38,229 --> 03:05:48,081
to cover the Constitution fees and supplies. Provincial taxpayers provide

2813
03:05:48,262 --> 03:05:51,441
ensemble campus with 8. 6 million dollars. And again, that's

2814
03:05:51,542 --> 03:05:56,241
22, 23, so it has changed. Return they benefit from

2815
03:05:56,902 --> 03:06:01,281
an added tax revenue stemming from students higher lifetime earnings

2816
03:06:02,022 --> 03:06:06,961
and increased business output amounting to 2. Sorry, sorry, 21

2817
03:06:07,222 --> 03:06:13,441
million. So just the financial impact is pretty important for

2818
03:06:14,022 --> 03:06:18,610
on - sound. And if I use the hockey team

2819
03:06:18,951 --> 03:06:20,770
as an example, there's things that we have done to

2820
03:06:20,810 --> 03:06:24,050
make sure that the attacker successful and partners in the

2821
03:06:24,050 --> 03:06:27,490
region. And because the number of kids that get jobs

2822
03:06:27,751 --> 03:06:30,690
and the number of jobs that spin out from that,

2823
03:06:30,690 --> 03:06:34,210
from hotels to restaurants, et cetera, it's all of these

2824
03:06:34,250 --> 03:06:42,091
are pretty important for our economy. Beyond that, if you

2825
03:06:42,091 --> 03:06:44,451
think about kids that live in Grey and Bruce, it

2826
03:06:44,451 --> 03:06:47,931
can afford to go to college here that might not

2827
03:06:47,952 --> 03:06:50,331
be able to pay rent might not be able to

2828
03:06:50,672 --> 03:06:55,291
afford to go to some other town based on their

2829
03:06:55,712 --> 03:07:00,411
family's ability to pay to go. And, um, and get

2830
03:07:00,432 --> 03:07:05,051
educated and then return here. So having a college here

2831
03:07:05,072 --> 03:07:08,571
is pretty important for access for students that maybe can't

2832
03:07:08,611 --> 03:07:13,683
travel and don't have the ability. In the past, we

2833
03:07:13,683 --> 03:07:20,763
have pledged money to the hospital for, I think, MRI.

2834
03:07:20,763 --> 03:07:23,243
I think it might be within this term of council,

2835
03:07:23,243 --> 03:07:26,923
or maybe the term before. We pledge 250, 000 dollars

2836
03:07:27,104 --> 03:07:29,963
per year for a, I think up to three years.

2837
03:07:29,963 --> 03:07:32,763
I think they raised enough money after two when we

2838
03:07:32,803 --> 03:07:37,297
used that money for something else. Um, we have had

2839
03:07:37,337 --> 03:07:46,287
a history of supporting. Agencies or institutions in our community

2840
03:07:46,287 --> 03:07:49,007
that really benefit the whole community and the whole area.

2841
03:07:50,311 --> 03:07:54,370
So with that, after talking with George in College and

2842
03:07:54,391 --> 03:07:57,570
working with their staff over the last number of months,

2843
03:07:58,231 --> 03:08:05,764
I want to bring a motion tonight. Based on. Whereas

2844
03:08:05,764 --> 03:08:08,244
the Own Sound campus of Georgian College is an important

2845
03:08:08,244 --> 03:08:12,004
part of the educational economic and social wellbeing. The City

2846
03:08:12,044 --> 03:08:17,265
of Own Sound and Greater Region of Greenburst Counties. And

2847
03:08:17,446 --> 03:08:21,745
whereas George and College has had financial challenges due to

2848
03:08:21,785 --> 03:08:26,305
external pressures. It's been forced to close other campuses. Whereas

2849
03:08:26,345 --> 03:08:30,065
the City Council wishes to support Georgian College campus in

2850
03:08:30,065 --> 03:08:34,545
the city of Owen Sound. I therefore be resolved that

2851
03:08:34,646 --> 03:08:39,585
I move that city Council Drex City Manager and Treasury

2852
03:08:39,585 --> 03:08:42,065
to enter into a funding agreement with Georgian College for

2853
03:08:42,105 --> 03:08:46,625
the transfer of 100, 000 dollars for the next four

2854
03:08:46,646 --> 03:08:51,425
years starting in 2027 in support of the ON Sound

2855
03:08:51,425 --> 03:08:59,159
campus. Um, recognising that. College Education has the responsibility of

2856
03:08:59,340 --> 03:09:05,951
the province. But they've given the money to say, here's

2857
03:09:05,991 --> 03:09:08,351
as much as we're going to give to you, survive

2858
03:09:08,372 --> 03:09:13,311
on that. The City of Barry has pledged 7. 5

2859
03:09:13,732 --> 03:09:18,671
million dollars, so 750, 000 a year to the Barry

2860
03:09:18,711 --> 03:09:24,591
campus, as well as what they're doing in Simco County,

2861
03:09:24,591 --> 03:09:26,591
Grey County in the past as pledge money as well

2862
03:09:26,612 --> 03:09:31,231
recognising the regional responsibilities. So that's my motion. Before I

2863
03:09:31,231 --> 03:09:37,479
do that. Um, I need to move that whereas the

2864
03:09:37,479 --> 03:09:39,399
Council meeting of the City of Own Sound scheduled for

2865
03:09:39,500 --> 03:09:42,999
this date tonight is the final scheduled meeting for the

2866
03:09:42,999 --> 03:09:46,679
Council before the Council will become restricted pursuit of Section

2867
03:09:47,420 --> 03:09:52,199
275. The municipal act for making any expenditures are encouraging

2868
03:09:52,380 --> 03:09:57,079
any liability which exceeds 500, 000. Therefore move the council

2869
03:09:57,100 --> 03:10:00,919
wave notice with regard to the motion to transfer bonds

2870
03:10:00,919 --> 03:10:04,378
to Georgia College. And I'm just going to go briefly

2871
03:10:04,479 --> 03:10:09,911
to the clerk. For clarity. The motion on the screen

2872
03:10:10,972 --> 03:10:14,231
states from making any expenditures or incurring any other liability

2873
03:10:14,572 --> 03:10:18,471
which exceeds 50, 000 the mayor spoke 500, 000. Could

2874
03:10:18,471 --> 03:10:24,772
you just clarify please? Through your worship, yes, some municipal

2875
03:10:24,812 --> 03:10:28,932
act requirements also known as lame duck is relating to

2876
03:10:29,273 --> 03:10:35,210
50, 000 dollars. Okay, thank you Councillor Kukraja. So yeah,

2877
03:10:35,471 --> 03:10:38,010
through you, Actor, I would declare a conflict of interest

2878
03:10:38,271 --> 03:10:44,849
because I've employed with Georgian College. Accepted. Councillor Farmer.

2879
03:10:48,068 --> 03:10:51,087
I'll speak against waving the notice of motion. We've heard

2880
03:10:51,268 --> 03:10:54,207
concerns in the past around the implication of tying the

2881
03:10:54,207 --> 03:10:58,047
hands of future councils in major capital decisions. And I

2882
03:10:58,047 --> 03:11:01,934
think that. This is very clearly a four - year

2883
03:11:02,355 --> 03:11:08,010
budget commitment to that deserves. Enough time for everyone to

2884
03:11:08,031 --> 03:11:11,489
see the motion, think about things, talk to folks. And

2885
03:11:11,590 --> 03:11:13,969
I'm not in favor of waving the notice of motion

2886
03:11:14,390 --> 03:11:16,769
for something that is a large capital amount spread over

2887
03:11:16,809 --> 03:11:22,901
multiple years. Okay, thank you. Any further councillors wishing to

2888
03:11:22,941 --> 03:11:30,702
speak to the waving of the notice of motion. Not

2889
03:11:30,742 --> 03:11:33,822
seeing any. So I'll call the vote on waiving the

2890
03:11:33,843 --> 03:11:36,862
notice of motion first. All those in favor of waving

2891
03:11:36,883 --> 03:11:42,863
notice. And I'm Counting six, those opposed. And that is

2892
03:11:43,604 --> 03:11:46,810
carried. So we will go back to the main motion.

2893
03:11:49,066 --> 03:11:54,805
It's been introduced. Any councillors willing to speak to Councillor

2894
03:11:54,805 --> 03:11:58,321
Farmer. Thank you. Through the chair, I'll speak against this

2895
03:11:58,422 --> 03:12:01,681
motion as well. Again, highlighting the previous concerns of tying

2896
03:12:01,702 --> 03:12:04,001
the hands of future councils with multi - year budget

2897
03:12:04,001 --> 03:12:07,841
commitments. I think that there's no question of Georgian College

2898
03:12:07,841 --> 03:12:10,801
being an asset to this community. We are so lucky

2899
03:12:10,822 --> 03:12:15,901
to have that here. And it has brought a lot

2900
03:12:15,901 --> 03:12:19,041
of great people to the area. It's helped local folks

2901
03:12:19,222 --> 03:12:23,361
cultivate their skills and professionalism. It's made of possible. Like

2902
03:12:23,361 --> 03:12:25,921
all the benefits that the mayor cited, I absolutely agree

2903
03:12:25,961 --> 03:12:30,801
with. I don't think that it's possible for one municipality

2904
03:12:31,782 --> 03:12:34,961
to pick up the Slack of a provincial system that

2905
03:12:34,982 --> 03:12:39,441
is trying to run on starvation rations for an institution

2906
03:12:39,441 --> 03:12:45,257
like this. 25, 000 dollars a year is less than

2907
03:12:45,438 --> 03:12:50,297
what it would cost to have one employee. And as

2908
03:12:50,558 --> 03:12:55,435
we talk about. All of the ways in which our

2909
03:12:55,475 --> 03:12:59,915
own operational and capital budgets are overtaxed, I think that

2910
03:13:00,096 --> 03:13:03,874
this is. A way in which it is not to

2911
03:13:03,874 --> 03:13:07,554
me financially or fiscally responsible to put tax dollars into

2912
03:13:07,655 --> 03:13:13,394
supporting a token amount of a, putting a drop in

2913
03:13:13,495 --> 03:13:15,794
a token amount to drop into a bucket that we

2914
03:13:15,794 --> 03:13:20,414
can't possibly hope to actually fill for the college. And

2915
03:13:20,535 --> 03:13:23,874
that doesn't actually come with any requirement of the college

2916
03:13:24,295 --> 03:13:29,840
to keep its operations. Here. This is very clearly an

2917
03:13:29,880 --> 03:13:32,400
act of support and solidarity. And I think there are

2918
03:13:32,440 --> 03:13:33,680
other ways that we can do that. I think that

2919
03:13:33,720 --> 03:13:36,560
we can better advocate with our own MPP for appropriate

2920
03:13:36,581 --> 03:13:39,520
funding and recognise the importance of Georgian College. I think

2921
03:13:39,541 --> 03:13:41,280
that we can look for more in - kind options

2922
03:13:41,301 --> 03:13:43,840
for support and promotion like we did with the banners

2923
03:13:44,581 --> 03:13:50,929
along 10th Street in years past. And. While the financial

2924
03:13:50,950 --> 03:13:53,889
impact is really important to the Owen Sound and Grey

2925
03:13:53,929 --> 03:13:57,249
County economy, we don't actually have a mechanism by which

2926
03:13:57,510 --> 03:14:03,729
municipalities get more money from supporting institutions like this or

2927
03:14:03,769 --> 03:14:05,869
businesses like this. And we've been really clear in the

2928
03:14:05,869 --> 03:14:08,609
past that we don't have a granting system. We don't

2929
03:14:08,609 --> 03:14:13,522
have a granting structure. That organisations who need additional support

2930
03:14:13,543 --> 03:14:17,122
have been encouraged to find Community Foundation funding and things

2931
03:14:17,122 --> 03:14:21,529
like that. And. While I again think the Georgian College

2932
03:14:21,569 --> 03:14:25,569
is an important partner and they deserve our support, I

2933
03:14:25,569 --> 03:14:28,889
don't think our support should be monetary. And especially when

2934
03:14:28,929 --> 03:14:33,049
we so actively critique other expenses in other areas that

2935
03:14:33,070 --> 03:14:36,249
are more specifically municipal jurisdiction. So I'll be voting against

2936
03:14:36,430 --> 03:14:42,482
the motion. Thanks Councillor Farmer. Councillor Kepke. Just a question

2937
03:14:42,663 --> 03:14:45,362
to the mayor. How does this differ from the money

2938
03:14:45,362 --> 03:14:50,176
that we would have given the hospital. My recollection as

2939
03:14:50,216 --> 03:14:56,912
we gave the hospital 250, 000 for three years. Pledged

2940
03:14:57,253 --> 03:15:00,352
250, 000 per three years, way by when we pledged

2941
03:15:00,373 --> 03:15:04,672
100, 000 dollars for 10, but the hospital had raised

2942
03:15:04,693 --> 03:15:07,312
enough money for the MRI at that time. So we

2943
03:15:07,352 --> 03:15:09,632
backed out. But Kate, do you remember the amount that

2944
03:15:09,632 --> 03:15:12,352
we were giving to, uh, the hospital a couple years

2945
03:15:12,352 --> 03:15:16,122
ago? I'm looking now, but I seem to recall it

2946
03:15:16,162 --> 03:15:18,892
was 50, 000 over two years. So I just got

2947
03:15:18,913 --> 03:15:28,411
yaw. So 25, not 250. Any further questions. Comments. I

2948
03:15:28,451 --> 03:15:31,051
mayor body. I just know that, uh, if you take

2949
03:15:31,091 --> 03:15:34,651
that 750, 000 dollars that Barry is giving per year

2950
03:15:35,552 --> 03:15:39,051
divided by 147, 000 people, it ends up being about

2951
03:15:39,312 --> 03:15:41,851
five bucks per person. So, uh, if we're to do

2952
03:15:41,891 --> 03:15:44,851
the same thing, we should be donating. I'm going to

2953
03:15:44,851 --> 03:15:48,491
reword that. We could be donating about a hundred thousand

2954
03:15:48,531 --> 03:15:51,531
dollars matching Barry. I don't think we've got the ability

2955
03:15:51,571 --> 03:15:54,331
to do that. That's, I tried to pick something that

2956
03:15:54,432 --> 03:15:56,871
would work. It is a drop in the bucket, but

2957
03:15:56,871 --> 03:16:02,491
hopefully it continues to support. It's, um, it's symbolic in

2958
03:16:02,531 --> 03:16:05,451
a sense, but, uh, and I hope future councils will

2959
03:16:05,472 --> 03:16:09,331
consider more. Thanks. Okay. I'm glad we're not going to

2960
03:16:09,392 --> 03:16:12,811
compare commercial and industrial size tax bases between the two

2961
03:16:13,392 --> 03:16:17,451
communities and their impact on overall taxation. I do have

2962
03:16:17,491 --> 03:16:19,851
one question to the City manager. A couple of months

2963
03:16:19,891 --> 03:16:24,331
ago, we had a deputation from Georgian College, uh, Kevin

2964
03:16:24,331 --> 03:16:28,091
Weaver was here and council did vote in favor of

2965
03:16:28,432 --> 03:16:33,691
proceeding with, uh, supporting the college in future endeavours. Can

2966
03:16:33,712 --> 03:16:36,251
you perhaps just provide an update to that at this

2967
03:16:36,251 --> 03:16:38,811
point? Is there anything to report on there as too

2968
03:16:38,811 --> 03:16:43,486
soon? Three of you are back to you, Deputy Mayor.

2969
03:16:43,486 --> 03:16:45,246
It would be too soon. We have had meetings with

2970
03:16:45,827 --> 03:16:47,966
the senior leadership here at the Georgian College. We've also

2971
03:16:48,627 --> 03:16:52,446
been meeting with the student body Executive team and discussing

2972
03:16:52,467 --> 03:16:55,806
with the students themselves on what supports the students would

2973
03:16:55,846 --> 03:16:59,166
look for from the city, whether that's from additional education

2974
03:16:59,347 --> 03:17:02,606
and information about happenings in the river district to transit

2975
03:17:02,646 --> 03:17:04,926
service to other things like that. But we haven't definitively

2976
03:17:04,947 --> 03:17:08,606
come up with a solid, here are three actions to

2977
03:17:08,606 --> 03:17:12,529
come forward with. Okay. Thank you. Not seeing any further

2978
03:17:13,430 --> 03:17:15,789
arms in the air. I'll call the question. Oh, I'm

2979
03:17:15,789 --> 03:17:20,530
going to go clerk. Through you, Deputy Mayor. If you

2980
03:17:20,530 --> 03:17:23,096
could get the motion on the floor. From the mayor.

2981
03:17:27,564 --> 03:17:32,743
Okay. So I moved the motion as I reckon then

2982
03:17:32,783 --> 03:17:35,623
be resolved that city Council Direct City Manager and Treasure

2983
03:17:35,623 --> 03:17:38,263
to enter into a funding agreement. George and College for

2984
03:17:38,303 --> 03:17:42,042
the transfer of 100, 000 dollars. Payable and installments for

2985
03:17:42,042 --> 03:17:46,442
the next four years starting in 2027 in support of

2986
03:17:46,442 --> 03:17:52,299
the Owensound campus. Okay. Thank you. No further questions. All

2987
03:17:52,299 --> 03:17:59,205
those in favor. Those opposed. And that motion is carried

2988
03:17:59,226 --> 03:18:03,395
with one opposed. Okay. Thank you Mayor Boddy and I

2989
03:18:03,395 --> 03:18:08,959
will pass the chair back to you. Thank you, Deputy

2990
03:18:08,999 --> 03:18:15,179
Mayor Greg. That's additional business. So now it's a motion

2991
03:18:15,219 --> 03:18:23,036
that the Committee, the horizon report. I'm here. Uh, move

2992
03:18:23,036 --> 03:18:25,116
by myself that the Committee of the whole rise and

2993
03:18:25,116 --> 03:18:29,390
report. All in favor. That is carried 17 motion to

2994
03:18:29,491 --> 03:18:33,755
adopt proceedings in Committee the Hall. I'm still here. Moved

2995
03:18:33,755 --> 03:18:36,315
by myself. And seconded by Deputy Mayor Greg that the

2996
03:18:36,355 --> 03:18:38,715
action taken in committee of the whole in considering public

2997
03:18:38,736 --> 03:18:44,155
meetings, deputations and presentations, public forum, matters arising from correspondence.

2998
03:18:44,155 --> 03:18:48,075
Matters of City staff consent agenda committee minutes matters postponed

2999
03:18:48,336 --> 03:18:51,435
motions for which notice was previously given and additional business

3000
03:18:51,936 --> 03:18:54,795
be confirmed by this council. Good. Thanks. All in favor.

3001
03:18:56,341 --> 03:18:59,360
That is carried. Are there any notices of motion being

3002
03:18:59,381 --> 03:19:04,057
given tonight. Before we go into lame duck? Uh, motions

3003
03:19:04,078 --> 03:19:06,937
to move into the closed session. We have nuns. We're

3004
03:19:06,937 --> 03:19:12,659
not going into clothes by loss, Ms. Bloomfield. To your

3005
03:19:12,699 --> 03:19:15,619
worship, the bylaws listed for approval on tonight's agenda include

3006
03:19:15,659 --> 03:19:19,619
the confirmatory by Biolate Execute a loan agreement with grey

3007
03:19:19,619 --> 03:19:23,139
roots museum and archives for the transfer artifacts. A Biotech

3008
03:19:23,139 --> 03:19:25,459
execute all documents necessary to complete the sale of the

3009
03:19:25,640 --> 03:19:29,459
southern portion of part two on 16R - 8751 to

3010
03:19:29,480 --> 03:19:33,059
Brad Duncan. A Biotech's Cuted General Assignment and Assumption of

3011
03:19:33,240 --> 03:19:37,139
Contracts with 14 acres parking in Byla. A Biotech Execute

3012
03:19:37,179 --> 03:19:41,459
of Fourth Amending Agreement with Voyagego for Intercommunity Transportation between

3013
03:19:41,720 --> 03:19:44,659
Own Sound and Guelph. A Biolite Execute a third of

3014
03:19:44,659 --> 03:19:47,299
many agreement with centre Wellington and a Fourth Amending Agreement

3015
03:19:47,339 --> 03:19:50,659
with Trasworth, Wellington North, Northern Credit Union, and 6 -

3016
03:19:50,659 --> 03:19:54,979
10 Mini Mart, respecting bus stops for the Ghostbus service.

3017
03:19:54,979 --> 03:19:59,610
A Biolatex execute a funding agreement. Amendment with Grey County

3018
03:19:59,650 --> 03:20:03,050
respecting ghost, a Biolate Executive Service Agreement with U -

3019
03:20:03,050 --> 03:20:05,850
Haul for property at 20th Avenue East in 16th Street

3020
03:20:05,850 --> 03:20:08,890
East. And a Byla dedicate an establish a one -

3021
03:20:08,890 --> 03:20:12,330
foot reserve at 1389 - 16 Street East as a

3022
03:20:12,351 --> 03:20:15,050
public highway. And there is one additional by - law,

3023
03:20:15,050 --> 03:20:18,281
but you have an interest, so I'll wait. To describe

3024
03:20:18,321 --> 03:20:27,060
that one. Thanks. Okay, go ahead with those, John. Move

3025
03:20:27,100 --> 03:20:29,940
by myself, seconded by Deputy Mayor Greg that by -

3026
03:20:29,940 --> 03:20:34,740
law numbers 2026 - 089 through to and including 2026

3027
03:20:34,841 --> 03:20:40,518
- 097 be passed and enacted. All in favor. That's

3028
03:20:40,518 --> 03:20:43,478
scary. So one more that I've got a pecuniary interest.

3029
03:20:43,478 --> 03:20:48,101
I'll hand the chair back to Deputy Mayor Greg. Okay,

3030
03:20:48,141 --> 03:20:51,264
I'll go back to the clerk to introduce it. Thank

3031
03:20:51,264 --> 03:20:54,304
you, Deputy Mayor. The last byla is to execute a

3032
03:20:54,405 --> 03:20:57,904
Lisa Greement Amendment with Brandon Vandershot for two additional parking

3033
03:20:58,005 --> 03:21:00,624
stalls on 11th Street West, east of First Aft West.

3034
03:21:03,257 --> 03:21:06,996
Moved by myself, seconded by Councillor Hamley, that bylaw number

3035
03:21:07,177 --> 03:21:13,691
2026 - 098 be passed and enacted. Any questions. Not

3036
03:21:13,731 --> 03:21:17,627
seeing any. I do have one. This question would be

3037
03:21:17,888 --> 03:21:21,627
to the director of Community Services. We did receive an

3038
03:21:21,667 --> 03:21:26,827
email from a resident regarding the opportunity for others to

3039
03:21:27,008 --> 03:21:34,375
evaluate spaces in this area. Before passing the bylaw tonight,

3040
03:21:34,375 --> 03:21:40,222
what type of. Opportunity, or what is the framework or

3041
03:21:40,222 --> 03:21:44,702
the setting like for others to now submit an interest,

3042
03:21:44,702 --> 03:21:47,822
um, because timing - wise, um, I think it would

3043
03:21:47,862 --> 03:21:51,311
be difficult just to pass this. Um, and then tomorrow

3044
03:21:51,412 --> 03:21:54,111
email back and say, we can't do anything. I'd just

3045
03:21:54,111 --> 03:22:02,430
like to know, uh, what was our process. Through you?

3046
03:22:02,430 --> 03:22:05,550
The report on last time spoke to the redevelopment of

3047
03:22:05,731 --> 03:22:09,390
these lands in the harbour and the parking spaces aren't

3048
03:22:09,491 --> 03:22:14,190
required to achieve the minimum parking in the zoning bylaw

3049
03:22:14,230 --> 03:22:18,910
about really, we're required or requested by the building owner

3050
03:22:18,950 --> 03:22:21,870
to support the redevelopment. I think three or four of

3051
03:22:21,870 --> 03:22:24,670
the units were occupied and this was the last one.

3052
03:22:25,616 --> 03:22:29,435
Certainly, I don't believe that staff were copied on the

3053
03:22:29,536 --> 03:22:35,195
email, but if there's parking spaces, in any municipal lot,

3054
03:22:35,456 --> 03:22:41,435
certainly through the City clerk, we can address any of

3055
03:22:41,475 --> 03:22:45,474
those requests to lease or look at. The use of

3056
03:22:45,474 --> 03:22:51,340
those spaces in accordance with our bylaws. Okay, thanks for

3057
03:22:51,340 --> 03:22:53,820
that replies. Just nice to know that there is an

3058
03:22:53,860 --> 03:22:56,460
element of fairness that he exists out in the Community

3059
03:22:56,481 --> 03:23:00,860
for others to, in the futures, to still reach out

3060
03:23:00,900 --> 03:23:04,760
to the city. So not seeing any further questions, all

3061
03:23:04,760 --> 03:23:09,465
those in favor. And that is carried. Thank you. We

3062
03:23:09,606 --> 03:23:13,025
will allow for, actually we don't even need mayor body

3063
03:23:13,065 --> 03:23:15,505
to come back because that was the last item of

3064
03:23:15,505 --> 03:23:17,745
a business and it's 8. 53 PM and we are

3065
03:23:17,785 --> 03:23:18,065
adjourned.