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Commission meeting on August 25th, 2026. To order at 1232.

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I'm gonna have a roll call, please. Commissioner Garcia. Here.

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Commissioner McIntosh. Here. Commissioner Sanchez. Pierre. Commissioner Buchsik? Here. Vice

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Chair Gregory. Here. Chair Blakely. Here. We have a quorum.

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Thank you. At this time, it's been set aside for

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the public to address the architecture review commission on issues

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that are not on the agenda for up to three

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minutes because the Brown Act does not allow the Commission

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to act on items not listed on the agenda. Members

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Consent, excuse me, consent calendar all matters listed on the

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consent calendar are considered routine and maybe approved by one

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motion. The public may comment on any item on the

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consent calendar within the three - minute time limit individual

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items may be removed by the architecture review commission for

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a separate meeting. Is there any commissioner who would like

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to make a motion. Chair, if I may, that's for

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item 4A, the approval of the minutes for July 28th.

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And August 11. Mr. Itemprove for The Minutes of July

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28th and August 27, okay. Business items. Consideration. We still

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need a motion in a second. Oh, motion in a

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second. I motion to approve. Second. Motion by Gregory, second

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by Vhuksev, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any

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opposed. Motion carry 60. Thank you guys. Can this is

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a reaching of a design review for the innovation of

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an existing building at 72, 700 Fred wearing. Converting the

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former church building into a medical office building. Can I

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have a staff report. Yes.

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Good afternoon, sharing commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an

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associate planner in the development services department. And today I'll

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be presenting on permit number DR - 26009. The DIG

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LLC Medical Center off 72700 Fred wearing drive. The project

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applicant is Reuben Coronado. The project location is 72700 Fredware

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in Drive. And the request is the design review approval

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for a proposed facade modification. To an existing building for

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DIG LLC Medical Center. Their project includes modification to the

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architecture, landscape, hardscape, and lighting, and increasing the square footage

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from 7, 469 square feet to 9, 325 square feet.

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Years of vicinity mapped show the area of the project

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site. This is the north side of Fred Waring and

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it's to the west of Fairhaven Drive. Across from Trader

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Joe's. Now here we just have the east and west

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elevations of the proposed project. This is to show the

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sloping of the roof. As you can see, the highest

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point is on the south elevation at 28 feet. The

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northernmost point is at 15 feet height. And here we

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have the, um, other elevations, the north and south ignore

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the title, please. Um, here we could see the standing

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seams as well as the, um, simplification of the North

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elevation to just double doors. So here we have the

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existing South elevation. This is the current condition. And then

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here we have the proposed South elevation. As you can

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see, um, the existing recession of the existing conditions have

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been infilled. And that is partially of how the square

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footage is being added. As well as, um, addition of

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second story is added as well. So most of the

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square footage edition is actually just infill of two pop

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belts, one on the west side and one on the

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east, as well as infillion entryways on the east elevation.

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And then as we could see on the south elevation,

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that infill would be the standing seam. Here we have

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the existing east elevation. Again, you could see how it

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is recessed currently with the pop out as well as

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in the doorways. Then we have the proposed East elevation.

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And then we have the existing West elevation. Here I

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included multiple photos, um, to show the existing condition as

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well as where the mechanical equipment exists currently and where

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it's going to be proposed as well. It's going to

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be on the side of the West elevation of the

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building. And here we have the proposed West Elevation rendering.

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And then here I included this rendering to show the

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overall image and also include the roof plan. That just

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a little bit more clear for presentation purposes just to

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show that there is no mechanical equipment on the sloped

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roof. For proposed landscaping, this shows

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the scope limit as well as some of the plants

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included in the landscaping, which includes the line of ficus

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along the west elevation. Which is also included with, there

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will be a wall as well for screening, but screening

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the mechanical equipment. As well as inclusion of polo verdes,

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brittle bush, slipper plants, and other various plants like aloe

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vero, with, uh, decomposed granite DG. And we have decorative

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pavers going into the building on the East elevation. Now

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staff of determined that the findings have been met and

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recommend the project for approval. If design comments arise during

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the discussion, staff recommends the ARC outline the request of

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changes and incorporate the commons as conditions of approval. That

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concludes my presentation. Thank you. Are there any

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questions from staff for the commission. There's the applicant have

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any questions. Thought that was, um. Presentation. Is African.

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Question. To make sure I understand. I didn't see any

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demo plans. I want to make sure I understand exactly

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what I'm looking at. Um. So I understand that the

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pop - outs on the east and west that are

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being filled in, I think. Yes. And then on, on

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the south end, um, I'm looking at, right now I'm

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looking at A sheet A201. I'm sorry, the north end,

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the north end. So it's the low end. And the.

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Um, the thing at the, at the north end that's

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kind of popping up above the sloped groove. Is that

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existing or is that, is that been altered by the

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applicant. Are you describing the kind of column feature that's

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on the southern elevation that's peeking out on the elevation?

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No, I'm, I'm referring to the north end of the

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building at the low, low end of the roof. There's

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a piece that pops up above the sloped roof. Kind

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of a boxy. Oh, yes, the paraffin. Yeah. What is

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that added. Um, based off what I saw that parapet

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was already existing. You're saying that three feet parapit on

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the end. How slopes all the way down and then

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it picks back up at that last. Well, it's flat

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on the top. The thing I'm looking at, I'm looking

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at the west exterior elevation on sheet eight, 201. And

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I'm looking at the right end of it. Okay. Yes.

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And what you're describing is that end the northernmost piece

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that has the three foot parapit. I guess it's a

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three foot pair pit. Okay. Yes. Kind of jogs up.

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the bottom left or the upper right. Yeah. It's the

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same form. And is that existing. The parapet now. Yeah.

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Okay. We'll leave that one for the apple. Yeah. Okay.

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Based off of existing conditions from the aerial you could

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see a little bit of change, but he'll describe more

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about the paradigm. We'll leave that for the applicant. Another

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questions. Okay. I have a question. This being check against

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historical preservation ordinance.

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Let me get back to you on that one. I

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have a question. Uh, so this whole package is all

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proposed changes. There is nothing in here indicating existing conditions.

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Is that correct? Let's. See. You're saying showing. Well, so

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the point of us even talking about this project is

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that they're proposing significantly altering an existing building. And all

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that we see in this package front of us and

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from the presentation. That evokes anything existing or at the

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photographs, but we can't see like an existing demo and

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proposed plan compare that to a floor plan or a

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site plan. So it's hard for us unless we hear

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it from you as far as infilling to get that

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square footage. We can't really see it. I understand what

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you're saying. We have included the, uh, yeah, the floor

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plan is included, but the demo plan is not included.

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Sheriff, I may. I know, um, as far as what's

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typically shown, what we have as far as our design

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review checklist, it doesn't include, um, what's existing. It just

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includes what's being proposed. I know it's typical that we

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do receive it. Um, but however, it's not, it's something

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that we can make a modification to if that's something

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that the architecture, review commission is concerned about. But as

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far as our checklist, the way that it's set up,

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it doesn't have what the existing designs are. As part

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of the required checklist. Can we make a motion on

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that that we'd like to see that? Or how does

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that work. It would be a separate item. On the

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motion you mean? Not for this motion, but for, um,

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follow - up discussion. Okay. Thank you. From the pictures,

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the existing building, the north end of the building has

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Commissioner Buksey pointed. It seems to be following the slope

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of the build. But we'll need clarification. Off if that's

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a new. Parpet flat roof on the back. Or you're

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just in closing the opening. So it's not clear. And

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that's something we'll have the applicant clarify. Any more questions.

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At this time I'll open the public period. I invite

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the applicant providing additional information. That they can.

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State your name. Cornado. Nice to see everyone. So, uh,

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to talk about the back area there on the south

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side. So what we had to do is we had

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to raise the ceiling. Because we had to create the

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MR shielding for the, for the, uh, MRI machine. So

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that there was an existing parapet, but we did have

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to raise the parapet because I had to raise the

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roof structure. To accommodate for the MR shielding. So yes,

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there already was an existing parapet, but we had to

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increase it a little bit because I had to increase

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the, uh, the roof height in that area. So it

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was raised a little bit here to accommodate that. Thank

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you. Anything else you want to explain that she did

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a good job? Yeah. So in regards to the floor

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plan essentially, I hadn't changed the footprint of the building.

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The footprint of the building literally remains the same. It's

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just the open patios that are in the building have

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just literally been enclosed in that area. So if you

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take a look at A dash 100. 1. Uh, on

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the bottom side there where you see the elevation, we

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pretty much just enclosed that area. Cause right now that

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interior area is just a open area. That transients pretty

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much hang out in that area right now. So we

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closed that out. On the west side, Office 101, that

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structure remains the same. We're essentially just infilling the exterior

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wall. On the west side. And that area pretty much

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stayed exactly the same. And we're adding a standing seam

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one inch batten seam roof to that area. On the

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east side, I will be removing that, that arched opening.

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And this will be a new, uh, extrusion build out

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here. But the footprint remain the same. And I just

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squared it off so that I can have more room

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inside for the lobby area. Uh, everything else that you

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see on here is existing exterior structure. If you go

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to sheet A dash 100. 2. And the hallway 133.

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Essentially that area back to those walls that you see

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to the, to the left is all open patio. You

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can see I essentially closed off that exterior wall. And

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that's, and that's how we pretty much were able to

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gain the additional square footage to create a hallway for

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all of the new imaging and office areas. So that's

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essentially what we did to close off the area. There

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was no square footage edition other than the footprint that

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was already remaining. Also the architectural features of the building

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all remain the same. I'm not changing any of the

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exterior structure of the building at all. Other than that

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back South area where we're raising the ceiling to create

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that parapet to raise it for the CT scan. If

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you go to sheet A dash 100. 3. Uh, we've

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created a mezzanine, a storage mezzanine on the second floor

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for their, uh, secured, uh, expensive medical, you know, whatever

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they have up there. Uh, so that's what we've did

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on the second floor. But all encapsulated within the existing

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structure of the building. Because this was a church that

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area was raised and we had substantial space to add

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that square footage. A 110, that's just the window. Windows,

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I mean, the door schedule. A101 is the exterior window

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schedule. Uh, A130 is the roof plan. And you can

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see the modifications that we made to the roof on

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the, on the south side here. We've, you know, included

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that, you know, included the raised pair of pits here.

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We're going to have a fiber type roof and the

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sloping is going to go to an existing drainage that

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was already in place in those locations. Uh, on the

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west side here, or the east side, we have the

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build out that I was talking about with the roof.

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That's also going to be a fiber type roof system.

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And I've added a drain system there as well for

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it to drain off of that roof. And essentially the

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roof will drain as it originally drained from the previous,

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uh, build out. Um. These are the exterior elevations. Um,

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I do have existing elevations that I can present if

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you guys need to see them. That's not a problem.

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They've already been created. But essentially you're essentially going to

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see the same exact view because there's really no architectural

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portions that I'm actually modifying other than accentuating the removing

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the cross and putting the stone veneer at the front

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entrance on the north side. And then raising the parapet

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there for the MRI room. Other than that, and on

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A10, you'll see on A201. That's the new, uh, pop

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out here that we did for the front entranceway. And

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you can see these in the color renderings where the

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openings there. I've enclosed it. Remove the cross. We're going

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to be putting the stone. On the existing on A202.

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That will be removed. And then new facade will be

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put on the new entrance way. On the. East side

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here. You can see this all essentially remains the same

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other than in closing. You can't see it because the

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tree's in the way. But essentially it's the same thing.

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This, the area on, uh, A203 on the upper right

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- hand corner. Looks exactly the same as A202 on

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the lower right - hand corner. Those two openings are

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essentially exactly the same. We're just in closing it here

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on the other one because we're able to make those

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offices work within the existing space. A - 204 is

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just the color. Pretty much the exterior colors. We're going

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to match the adjacent buildings because the doctors own. That

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was Jason buildings there. So it's just going to be

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a smooth plaster. A smooth white plaster. Um, we have

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reglets. Those one inch reglets that we're going to incorporate

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here to try to give it a little bit more

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pop. And we have the stone. On the north side.

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And then we're going to be having the staggered. We're

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going to be having the, you know, standing seam on

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the pop out on the roof. And for the vertical

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features, it's going to be a vertical panel staggered seam.

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It's more of like an inverted standing seam system. And

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you can see a little bit more of that. If

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you take a look on A205 on the upper right

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- hand corner, it kind of gave you a picture

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of kind of what that will look like. The lower

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area on H - 205, that's the standing seam. That

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will be sitting on the adjacent roof on the east

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side. I'm proposing at this point that it's a matte

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black. And then for a little bit more detail on

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the sections on A300, you can essentially see kind of

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here what I'm doing. Especially on the south side that

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you guys talked about raising this area. This is essentially

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the, you know, a section cut through that area to

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kind of show what's going on. Also you can see

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on F10, on A300. The section cut here through the

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new entryway. And what the difference correlation would be on

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the east side versus the west side there for the

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leaving the existing area filled in with the standing seam

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and the new entrance build out. Uh, A301 provides a

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little bit more detailed information in regards. I have a

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question. I don't know if I'm going too much on

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this, but no question. Yeah. Keep continue. Okay. Yeah. A301,

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that's just a little, uh, better cross section of that

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existing condition and how we're infilling that new wall area.

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And that's essentially it for the architectural. If you guys

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have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

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Okay. Thank you. Um, is there any member of the

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public who would like to comment on this item? Please

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raise your hand to speak. If you are joining the

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meeting by telephone, please press star nine to raise your

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hand to speak. None. Okay. Now we can ask questions

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at the applicant. Okay for she 300, A300 on your

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sections. Why is some of the lines are dashed and

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some are. Solid doesn't mean. Oh. Those are just gas.

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Sorry. Uh, yeah, those are areas are just dashed because

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I caught a cross section through them and it just

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kind of indicating of cutting through the wall in that

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area. It's not demolition. No, this is everything that you

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see on these plans is all new construction. Essentially for

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the demolition, the interior, we've already gutted the entire inside

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of the existing building here now. So, and we already

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got demolition permit and all that's already been completed. And

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all abatements all been done already as well. But we've

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essentially gutted the entire inside of this. The new construction

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would just be infilling the patio portions. And going on

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the inside from there. Uh, I got a question for

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you. On your sheet A204. It says

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East elevation. I think it's supposed to be west, right?

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Is this the only place where you're calling out the

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MS2, which is the standing seam metal roof. Correct. Microphone.

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Should I just leave it on? Still breathe heavy. So

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yeah, the MS2 is only going to be on that

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on the, uh, west side, correct? So is it more

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of a fascia detail than an actual roof? I mean,

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are we seeing the, just a standing sea metal roof

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that I'm going to add to that right now. It

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just has a plaster finish on top of it. I'm

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going to, I'm going to add the standing seam to

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help bring in more of the standing seam elements around

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the building to help tie it together. But do you

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really, you don't really see it, right? I mean, if

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you go up to A203, you've got a nice perspective.

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Kind of coming from the southwest that looks at it,

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right? Yes. So yeah, that's pretty much what you'll see.

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Obviously we'll be cleaning up some of the landscaping there

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so you can hopefully see the building a little bit

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better. But yes, that tree is to remain in that

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area. The tree. You're the palm? Well, the tree there

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and there's palms in front of it. Okay. Well, I

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was just thinking that, you know, you're not really seeing

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too much of your standing sea metal roof, right? It's

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more of a fascia detail. Facial. It's just the roof

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system that we're going to be putting on there to

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help alleviating type of leaks that would also be going

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on top of that roof as well. I think it'll

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help. Cause right now it's just an open, it's just

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an open area. What's probably leaks like crazy. So I

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introduce a standing scene to help mitigate any leakage in

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that area and kind of make sure that we're sealing

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it off correctly. Right. But was that an Architectural decision?

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I mean, I'm just wondering, cause you don't really see

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it. Right. I mean, it's kind of a flat slope.

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Yes. It was an architectural decision. Like I said to

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make sure that we handle any water leaks or water

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mitigation into that new area. So are you rolling those

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ribs down on that fascia detail? Is that what really

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makes it look? If you take a look at A301.

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If you go to A301, it's pretty much a detailed

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description here of what we're looking to do. So if

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you look at A7, A301, that's how we're going to

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be finishing up regarding the slanted area to help make

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sure that they're on getting any waters through that, through

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that cracked area there. We also have the Eve and

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then we also have the general wheat screen detail at

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the bottom. A11. So, so it really doesn't wrap down

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into a fascia detail at all, right? Correct. It's just

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the standing seam on top of the roof. The face

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of that would be plastered to match the rest of

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the exterior of the building. Right. Yeah. It's just so

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flat. It's too bad we're going to miss out on

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a good visual on it. Maybe we cut down the

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tree there. Yeah. By the way, before I, I don't

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want to sound just critical all the time. Nice set

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of drawings by the way. I appreciate that. Thank you.

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Um, I noticed on your roof plan. So it looks

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like we're going to keep all the mechanical equipment on

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the weth side of the building. Yes, sir. Nothing's going

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on the roof. Yes, exactly correct. Yes, sir. Okay. Is

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that Ruf Hatch existing up there? That's a new roof

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hatch that I do need to create to make sure

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that we can get on because the knot currently one

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there now. Why do you need one? If the guy

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put a roof hatch on it and get on the

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roof versus somebody stacking a ladder up on the side,

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it's a little more little safer. But if we need

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to remove it, I have no, you don't need to

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remove it. I'm just hoping you're not going to put

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any equipment up there. Zero equipment's going on there. As

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you can see, if you take a look at the

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site plan G010, pretty much the second sheet. Okay. Pretty

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much all of the equipment is going out there. We

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have nothing on the roof. Just when we see roof

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hatches typically, we see equipment. It's just pretty much to

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get access in case anything gets up on the roof

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where roof trains need to be re cleaned or anything

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like that. And some are safe for somebody to get

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up onto the roof and do whatever they need to

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do. Good. Okay. Um, one, I think important architectural question

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I have. You've got that nice vertical. Mass. That currently

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has the crucifix on it. And you're going to collat

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it in this. Eldorado stone. Correct. You got really two

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really nice outside edges outside corners. Right. Have you been

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successful in bringing those veneers together in an outside corner?

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Thousand percent we have. Yes. We're going to, I'm going

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to miter those. I want to, I like to miter

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those corners. Okay. Plus they also plus if we can't

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miter it. They also have corner pieces that you can

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install in the corner of those areas as well. Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. I just think that would be really important

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to pay attention to that detail. I mean, that's going

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to be really sticking out. Stone's going to get your

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attention. I've seen unfortunate applications where people didn't pay attention

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to that detail. And it just kind of kills the

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whole thing. Whereas with yours, um, I'm glad to hear

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you guys are thinking about that and making sure, cause

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I didn't quite, I didn't see a detail in the

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set about mydering or anything like that. Yep. I don't

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have that on here, mydering, but I'm here with the

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contractor here as well. And, you know, we work together

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on these things. So it's a, it's a kind of

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a design build type thing. So we make sure that

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we look at those type of things and make sure

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it looks nice. I want that to look nice. So

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for sure I'm going to make sure that that's going

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to look good at the end of the day. Yeah.

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No, like I said, you did a great job here.

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Great set of drawings. And I think you did great

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with the building form. Kind of keeping true to form

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what was there and sort of modernizing it. But, um,

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yeah, if we could just make sure that those details,

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you know, are included in the approval. That'd be really

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important. Sure. That was it for my comments. I got

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one second. Are we still at questions to the applicant?

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Yes. Okay. That should have been questions, not comment. Um,

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looking at your roof plan A130, you're identifying a scupper

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at the north end of the, called the major slope

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right when it hits the new parapet of your, um.

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Your scanner room. What shooting? A130, your roof plan.

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So. I'm just curious. The main existing roof has a

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pretty significant slope, right? Correct. And but there is still

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a ridge going down the middle of it. Correct. So

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water is probably going to be shedding off the roof

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on each side before it even gets down to the

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bottom where you have this new parapet. North end of

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the building. Um. Even with the scupper there, um, do

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you have a section that goes right through the middle

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of that. I'm just, I'm wondering. Even if it's necessary,

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um, to have a scupper there. And that if you

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did run. Oh, you mean in the middle where it

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transitions to the other side? Yeah. Straddling your ridge line

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going through the parapet. Yeah. I've also talked to Al

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Miller about this as well. I've talked to the roofers

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here as well. We're probably going to open that up

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even more because he's saying it's just better for it

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to sheet flow into that area. Essentially, that's what it's

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doing now. So yes, there won't, there won't be a

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scupper there. We're going to just open that up. And

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it's just going to sheet flow into that area. But

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then those two little scuppers on the northwest corner and

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the northeast corner would be sufficient for any of that

468
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runoff. That's exactly what is doing now. That's exactly how

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the runoff is happening at this current stage now. Do

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you know what the existing slope is on that main

471
00:33:19,434 --> 00:33:24,286
roof. I do not, I'd have to go back to

472
00:33:24,326 --> 00:33:28,357
my plans and get that actual existing slow. There wasn't

473
00:33:28,357 --> 00:33:32,357
a lot of as build information to go off for

474
00:33:32,397 --> 00:33:34,517
this project since it was back in the 50s or

475
00:33:34,517 --> 00:33:37,077
something, I think when this thing was. Yeah. And if

476
00:33:37,117 --> 00:33:41,317
it's just going to follow that kind of gentle ever

477
00:33:41,357 --> 00:33:44,597
increasing slope from the south end and the north end,

478
00:33:44,597 --> 00:33:46,837
it then has a cross slope, which would take any

479
00:33:46,877 --> 00:33:55,356
of that runoff over the edges. Okay. Thank you. Question.

480
00:33:55,356 --> 00:34:03,063
Oh, so. Your elevations are labeled. Wrong, right? The east

481
00:34:03,084 --> 00:34:06,591
means the west, the north, missed out. And so forth.

482
00:34:07,396 --> 00:34:10,095
Uh, no, the north means the north. The south means

483
00:34:10,116 --> 00:34:18,326
the south. East in the west. I thought I had

484
00:34:18,366 --> 00:34:21,766
that correctly there, but I guess what's your question on

485
00:34:21,806 --> 00:34:25,206
in regards to that other one? Um, the new roof

486
00:34:25,627 --> 00:34:27,606
over by the, uh, what it's going to be the

487
00:34:27,627 --> 00:34:32,194
lobby, the entry. Yes. Right now is this loping roof

488
00:34:32,615 --> 00:34:38,274
and you are putting a standing same fascia flat roof.

489
00:34:43,197 --> 00:34:47,416
Because without the existing conditions of demolition planner or existing

490
00:34:48,317 --> 00:34:53,025
section. Can't tell if the proposed rule for your on

491
00:34:53,025 --> 00:34:56,931
the east. It's neo - war existent. So if you

492
00:34:56,931 --> 00:35:04,023
go to A300, right. And go to F10, the middle

493
00:35:04,044 --> 00:35:08,630
one and the. Left - hand side, that is the

494
00:35:08,971 --> 00:35:13,188
existing roof slope as it stands now. All I've done

495
00:35:13,228 --> 00:35:17,588
is enclose the exterior wall and add it standing seam

496
00:35:17,588 --> 00:35:20,100
to that portion. When you go to the right -

497
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:24,660
hand side, I have demolished that existing entranceway. And now

498
00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:29,300
I'm creating this new, the new pop - out entranceway

499
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:33,540
here. You can see with parapets and as drains, where

500
00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:39,711
everything to drain properly as well. Um, so that's essentially,

501
00:35:39,711 --> 00:35:44,431
did I answer your question? Right. It's the existing entries

502
00:35:44,532 --> 00:35:48,690
being demolished. And you put in a new roof for

503
00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:54,930
the answer. Correct. But on this section cut, essentially the

504
00:35:54,970 --> 00:35:59,010
existing section cut would just essentially look exactly like the

505
00:35:59,031 --> 00:36:02,484
left - hand side. On the right - hand side

506
00:36:02,665 --> 00:36:03,364
being removed.

507
00:36:14,082 --> 00:36:19,648
I have one more question. And looking at L. Preliminary

508
00:36:19,669 --> 00:36:24,624
Landscape Plan. Is the main entrance to the building going

509
00:36:24,624 --> 00:36:29,987
to be the bottom right kind of cross. Which kind

510
00:36:29,987 --> 00:36:32,867
of has an E dot T just below it. Is

511
00:36:32,907 --> 00:36:37,115
that the main entrance to the building. Yeah. E. T.,

512
00:36:37,115 --> 00:36:38,795
yes. That door right there is the new, is the

513
00:36:38,795 --> 00:36:41,115
main entrance to the building, correct? Golding into the lobby.

514
00:36:43,399 --> 00:36:48,087
And then above that where there is additional paver. To

515
00:36:48,127 --> 00:36:52,807
the left of Mediterranean fan palm, um, that basically looks

516
00:36:52,847 --> 00:36:57,627
like patio right off of a long hallway. Correct. Okay.

517
00:36:57,627 --> 00:37:01,227
And that hallway is not for, uh, patients to go

518
00:37:01,267 --> 00:37:05,497
through. That's more of an exit. It's, it's for both.

519
00:37:05,497 --> 00:37:08,717
Right. So they'll come into the lobby. And either they'll

520
00:37:08,818 --> 00:37:13,121
meet in the exam rooms adjacent to the lobby. And

521
00:37:13,222 --> 00:37:16,231
you meet with the doctor. Or they'll be pre -

522
00:37:16,231 --> 00:37:20,071
scheduled to already have, uh, imaging session where they go

523
00:37:20,092 --> 00:37:24,071
into the area, going to the dress and rooms. And

524
00:37:24,071 --> 00:37:26,391
then from there, they would be going through those corridors

525
00:37:26,431 --> 00:37:29,448
to get to the MRI or the CT scan. Or

526
00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:32,021
whatever treatment that they would be going to do. So

527
00:37:32,202 --> 00:37:36,421
yes, it's an exit corridor as well. Plus it's plus

528
00:37:36,461 --> 00:37:39,141
the doctors also like to have an entrance other than

529
00:37:39,141 --> 00:37:41,221
the front entrance as well. They usually like to enter

530
00:37:41,261 --> 00:37:46,421
the building. Uh, but essentially none of the clients that

531
00:37:46,442 --> 00:37:49,061
would be going there would be using these doors. They

532
00:37:49,101 --> 00:37:51,441
would be coming in and out to front entrance. Uh,

533
00:37:51,441 --> 00:37:54,581
the other doors are primarily for employees, but the hallway

534
00:37:54,621 --> 00:37:59,141
will be used by both clients and the employees and

535
00:37:59,181 --> 00:38:08,852
doctors. I have a question. On L2

536
00:38:09,193 --> 00:38:14,758
landscape imagery. You have three types of, um, ground material,

537
00:38:14,758 --> 00:38:19,084
rock material. Decouples granite, fresh rock, three quarter cross rock.

538
00:38:19,764 --> 00:38:22,967
And a boulders. But on the planting plan, I don't

539
00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:27,807
really see how that's late being laid out is that

540
00:38:27,828 --> 00:38:29,807
just missing from the plan or do I have outdated

541
00:38:29,807 --> 00:38:36,532
plans. What's. So I do have my landscape architect on

542
00:38:36,532 --> 00:38:38,852
the call here. Maybe it's better that he responds to

543
00:38:38,892 --> 00:38:40,132
those. Okay. Um.

544
00:38:51,587 --> 00:38:56,960
My name is Alex Kazukis. I'm the landscape architect. And

545
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,080
actually, thanks for pointing that out. We're, we're not going

546
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:06,880
to have the crushed rock proposed on the project anymore.

547
00:39:07,319 --> 00:39:10,849
So we'll remove, we would remove that. So it's just

548
00:39:10,889 --> 00:39:19,568
going to be DG and the boulders, right? I'm sorry.

549
00:39:19,568 --> 00:39:24,040
Um, yes, it's just going to be DG. Okay. Thank

550
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,292
you. Another question I had was, um, the rest of

551
00:39:28,292 --> 00:39:31,681
the parking lot is part of this property. Right? We

552
00:39:31,681 --> 00:39:35,361
just, uh, updating planting as needed, uh, specify on your

553
00:39:35,361 --> 00:39:44,984
plans. Sorry. What was the question.

554
00:39:45,784 --> 00:39:50,003
So on L1, I have callouts for existing plan mature

555
00:39:50,024 --> 00:39:53,923
to remain dead or dying plants to be replaced as

556
00:39:53,963 --> 00:39:56,803
needed. I'm assuming that the rest of the parking lot

557
00:39:56,984 --> 00:40:03,356
is still part of this, um, project. Right. Um, it's

558
00:40:03,377 --> 00:40:08,876
not part of the landscape project, but, um, I guess

559
00:40:09,137 --> 00:40:12,236
it's, it might be a part of, uh, the Reuben's

560
00:40:12,276 --> 00:40:17,158
parking and all that. I guess I can feel this.

561
00:40:17,158 --> 00:40:20,918
Yeah. So, um, yeah, the existing parking area that's there

562
00:40:21,259 --> 00:40:24,118
is to remain as, however, it was other than trying

563
00:40:24,158 --> 00:40:26,598
to clean it up here at this point. But it

564
00:40:26,598 --> 00:40:28,438
is part of the property? It is part of their

565
00:40:28,478 --> 00:40:34,200
property, correct? Okay. Thank you. Off you off that. If

566
00:40:34,221 --> 00:40:40,920
the existing planting is to remain is the new planting,

567
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,200
uh, reflecting or kind of caring consistent specimens and ground

568
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:50,600
cover. For example, if we're calling out for new California

569
00:40:50,621 --> 00:40:54,520
Gold DG, um, is that existing already, uh, in these

570
00:40:54,701 --> 00:41:03,875
medians, uh, do we have existing. Chilean mesquites or blue

571
00:41:03,915 --> 00:41:08,103
Palo Verde. In these medians? Like, are we being consistent.

572
00:41:10,117 --> 00:41:13,372
If we're leaving the existing as it is. Yeah. That

573
00:41:13,393 --> 00:41:20,572
was the intent to stay consistent. It's currently, um, drought

574
00:41:20,612 --> 00:41:24,665
tolerant, um, sparse planting. And we're going to be sticking

575
00:41:24,846 --> 00:41:27,685
with that theme. And we're, we're, um, sharing a lot

576
00:41:27,685 --> 00:41:32,665
of the same, uh, trees that are existing. We're, we're,

577
00:41:32,665 --> 00:41:34,585
uh, implementing them in the new plans as well.

578
00:41:54,395 --> 00:42:01,629
Any more comments, questions. Questions. Um, I have, uh, I

579
00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:03,789
have a question. I'm going to go back to the,

580
00:42:03,789 --> 00:42:10,508
to the roof, the long existing roof. Um. Just cause

581
00:42:10,508 --> 00:42:14,188
I'm a little, little confused about what's happening there. I've

582
00:42:14,369 --> 00:42:17,475
never, I've never seen anything like that. Where you have

583
00:42:17,496 --> 00:42:19,875
a roof, you know, that's a hundred feet long or

584
00:42:19,915 --> 00:42:23,075
something. It's all sloping from the high point to the

585
00:42:23,096 --> 00:42:27,768
low point. Looking for the roof plan now. Except there's

586
00:42:27,808 --> 00:42:29,368
a ridge in the middle of it that doesn't seem

587
00:42:29,389 --> 00:42:33,000
to have. A purpose. I'm looking at the big arrows

588
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,480
that are pointing north. They're going to the low point

589
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:42,584
of the roof. And is that, is there really a

590
00:42:42,584 --> 00:42:45,304
ridge there? There is. Okay. So is it causing the

591
00:42:45,325 --> 00:42:48,984
water to actually like shed off and go down the

592
00:42:49,085 --> 00:42:52,584
sides of the building instead of just run down to

593
00:42:52,584 --> 00:42:54,664
the bottom? The roof is actually kind of like a

594
00:42:54,845 --> 00:43:00,970
V. So this roof is in caving like this. Oh,

595
00:43:00,970 --> 00:43:02,650
so, so it's a low in the, it's not a

596
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:06,730
ridge. It's a valid. It's a valley. It's low in

597
00:43:06,730 --> 00:43:09,130
the middle. That's better. So the water is coming and

598
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:11,210
that's why it's shooting right down the middle of this

599
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:13,930
thing. And you can tell when you go inside the

600
00:43:13,951 --> 00:43:18,078
building, you can see the trusses are inverted. In creating

601
00:43:18,118 --> 00:43:21,838
that valley. So yeah, the ridgeline. It is, it is

602
00:43:21,859 --> 00:43:26,059
depressed. Okay. So that's what's creating that valley for the

603
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,379
water to sheet flow into the lower area. That's much,

604
00:43:28,379 --> 00:43:31,659
much better. Now that scupper makes sense. Yes. Much, much

605
00:43:31,659 --> 00:43:36,390
better. Okay. Sorry for that. I mislabeled that. No, no

606
00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:41,270
worries. Um, and did you say that that roof is

607
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:45,453
covered with fiber type. The existing roof right now that

608
00:43:45,493 --> 00:43:48,173
sits there right now as a built up roof system.

609
00:43:48,173 --> 00:43:50,733
Right. And, and the main component of it, it's relatively

610
00:43:50,994 --> 00:43:54,333
in good shape. And to save costs for the owner,

611
00:43:54,333 --> 00:43:56,192
we tried to keep it in place. It was just

612
00:43:56,232 --> 00:44:00,432
the areas that were remodifying that I am putting a

613
00:44:00,533 --> 00:44:02,752
fiber type roof on the back end here to make

614
00:44:02,752 --> 00:44:06,752
sure everything drains properly. Also on the new area and

615
00:44:06,752 --> 00:44:10,672
then standing seam on the, on the, uh, other pop

616
00:44:10,712 --> 00:44:14,414
out there on the right left hand side. Okay. So

617
00:44:14,595 --> 00:44:17,534
that, that big roof, existing roof in the middle, that's

618
00:44:17,635 --> 00:44:24,654
going to remain a built up root. Okay. Okay. I

619
00:44:24,654 --> 00:44:29,113
don't have any other questions. Right. Anybody else any questions

620
00:44:29,454 --> 00:44:33,674
or we. Ve got it. Chair, if I may, um,

621
00:44:33,674 --> 00:44:35,934
I know the question was asked as far as the

622
00:44:36,115 --> 00:44:40,894
historic, if they had it been evaluated. So this site

623
00:44:40,915 --> 00:44:43,834
previously went through a change of zones. So it was

624
00:44:43,834 --> 00:44:47,994
previously designated differently. And then the zone was changed. Um,

625
00:44:48,675 --> 00:44:50,574
as far as the date and the age of the

626
00:44:50,574 --> 00:44:54,734
building, it does fall within the criteria of possibly being

627
00:44:54,915 --> 00:44:58,814
historic. But as far as any type of designations, it's

628
00:44:58,854 --> 00:45:01,774
not a part of any designation. So, um, for the

629
00:45:01,814 --> 00:45:04,254
certificate of appropriateness would be the vehicle for us to

630
00:45:05,155 --> 00:45:10,814
evaluate that. If it was designated as a historic resource,

631
00:45:10,814 --> 00:45:14,574
since it's not designated, then we don't have, um, the

632
00:45:14,595 --> 00:45:17,834
direction that we've been given from counsel is to, um,

633
00:45:18,035 --> 00:45:22,174
give the property owners the ability to make modifications to

634
00:45:22,214 --> 00:45:25,134
their buildings. So that's the direction that we've been given.

635
00:45:26,571 --> 00:45:31,510
It is listed on the recent survey for Circle potentially

636
00:45:31,531 --> 00:45:35,350
historical. So our survey is, we do have a survey

637
00:45:35,531 --> 00:45:38,790
and it is on that list. However, that list is

638
00:45:38,830 --> 00:45:42,765
not a certified list. So if it was certified, then

639
00:45:42,946 --> 00:45:45,405
if they would be required to go through that certificate

640
00:45:45,405 --> 00:45:50,125
of appropriateness process for the historic preservation aspect of it.

641
00:45:50,125 --> 00:45:53,465
But since it's not, it's not designated and it's not

642
00:45:54,866 --> 00:45:58,685
recognized certified lists by the city. Then it does not

643
00:45:58,706 --> 00:46:01,916
have to go through that process. We're good to go,

644
00:46:01,916 --> 00:46:06,490
as they say. Correct. Okay. That was the question. All

645
00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:12,723
right. No other questions than, uh, should we, uh, make

646
00:46:12,824 --> 00:46:14,323
a motion or see what we can do with this

647
00:46:14,363 --> 00:46:18,502
project. Or do you have discussion. I've discussed. Okay. Let's

648
00:46:18,523 --> 00:46:25,318
do discussion. All right. Um, yeah, I guess I'll go

649
00:46:25,318 --> 00:46:30,585
ahead and start it off. Um, so. Yeah, I, I,

650
00:46:30,585 --> 00:46:33,465
uh, first of all, I agree. It's really nice set

651
00:46:33,505 --> 00:46:37,547
of plans. Um, you guys do good work. Um, but

652
00:46:37,568 --> 00:46:40,507
I have to, I have to critique some of the

653
00:46:40,528 --> 00:46:45,307
design that I'm looking at here. Um, you know, and,

654
00:46:45,328 --> 00:46:49,787
and regardless of the building being historic or not, I

655
00:46:49,827 --> 00:46:53,227
didn't even cross my mind. It's a, it's a very

656
00:46:54,128 --> 00:47:00,827
elegant design. It's, it's a really interesting unique striking design

657
00:47:01,248 --> 00:47:07,547
because it's such a simple form. Um, and the, the

658
00:47:07,587 --> 00:47:10,267
pieces that are coming off to the east and west

659
00:47:10,288 --> 00:47:14,507
that we've been talking about, um, you know, they're also

660
00:47:14,688 --> 00:47:17,947
simple and have an elegance to them. Um, I think

661
00:47:19,568 --> 00:47:22,507
the one on the west that's being filled in with

662
00:47:22,608 --> 00:47:25,947
the standing seam roof on top. I think that's fine.

663
00:47:25,968 --> 00:47:28,907
It's very simple. Um, I think you will, you will

664
00:47:28,907 --> 00:47:31,947
see the standing seam. I think, you know, it's surprising

665
00:47:32,128 --> 00:47:34,507
when something has an angle to it how you might

666
00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:36,587
think you're not going to see it, but yeah, you

667
00:47:36,627 --> 00:47:41,627
end up seeing it. Um, the, the appendage on the

668
00:47:41,648 --> 00:47:46,856
east side, that's your new entrance. Um, I was having

669
00:47:46,877 --> 00:47:49,896
a hard time kind of figuring that out because in

670
00:47:49,896 --> 00:47:52,696
the, in the 3D images, it keeps getting covered up

671
00:47:52,717 --> 00:47:56,776
with trees. I can't see it in the 3D images.

672
00:47:56,776 --> 00:48:00,849
Um, so I have to rely on the elevations. And

673
00:48:00,889 --> 00:48:03,969
I can see the existing form. I'm looking at sheet

674
00:48:04,070 --> 00:48:08,783
8202. And in the bottom right I see what's their

675
00:48:08,783 --> 00:48:13,410
existing. And I'm sure it's, you know, it's in bad

676
00:48:13,450 --> 00:48:17,250
shape and whatnot. Um, but from a design standpoint, I

677
00:48:17,271 --> 00:48:21,407
see an elegance that I really like. I think that

678
00:48:21,828 --> 00:48:25,087
new entrance that you're proposing looks like it belongs on

679
00:48:25,588 --> 00:48:29,597
a different building, not this one. Um, I think you

680
00:48:29,637 --> 00:48:33,357
could make an entrance that is at least inspired by

681
00:48:34,258 --> 00:48:38,477
what's, what's their currently. And, you know, keep it simple.

682
00:48:38,477 --> 00:48:41,677
It doesn't have to cost a lot or, or be

683
00:48:41,717 --> 00:48:46,157
something crazy, but just something simple and elegant, like, like

684
00:48:46,738 --> 00:48:49,100
the building. And that looks like a part of the

685
00:48:49,121 --> 00:48:58,202
building. Um. And then in the back. That piece I

686
00:48:58,223 --> 00:49:01,242
asked about, um, in the beginning, cause I wasn't sure

687
00:49:01,263 --> 00:49:04,922
if that was an addition or not, um, sort of

688
00:49:04,922 --> 00:49:07,562
the same thing. You know, the existing building just has

689
00:49:07,663 --> 00:49:11,562
this roof that slopes from, it's high on the south

690
00:49:11,583 --> 00:49:14,682
then and it slopes down to the north end really

691
00:49:14,943 --> 00:49:21,848
strong, simple form. And what you're proposing there looks like

692
00:49:22,189 --> 00:49:30,319
in addition. Um, that doesn't really. Compliment the building very

693
00:49:30,359 --> 00:49:35,981
well. Um, I think that whatever you do on the,

694
00:49:35,981 --> 00:49:39,261
on that north end needs to have a little more

695
00:49:39,442 --> 00:49:42,621
elegance to it to tie into that strong form that

696
00:49:42,642 --> 00:49:45,071
you're working with. You have a really. I think good

697
00:49:45,071 --> 00:49:47,551
opportunity here. I liked when I, when I first looked

698
00:49:47,591 --> 00:49:51,231
at this, before I really started studying the pieces and

699
00:49:51,231 --> 00:49:53,231
I was looking at sheet 8202 and I looked at

700
00:49:53,652 --> 00:49:56,271
proposed and I looked at the existing up at the

701
00:49:56,532 --> 00:49:57,951
top of that sheet, I don't know if you can

702
00:49:57,991 --> 00:50:00,191
put it up on the screen or not, Peyton.

703
00:50:18,753 --> 00:50:21,082
Give me one moment. Okay.

704
00:50:37,618 --> 00:50:46,550
Sheet A202. Oh, okay. Let's see. Oh. Let me, okay.

705
00:50:48,140 --> 00:50:53,632
My apologies and share the wrong screen. You were saying

706
00:50:53,653 --> 00:50:56,992
the proposed elevation screen? Yeah. If you just go to

707
00:50:57,573 --> 00:51:07,508
8202. Right now I just, it would

708
00:51:07,508 --> 00:51:08,868
take me a little bit longer to pull up the

709
00:51:09,289 --> 00:51:11,908
project exhibits. I could pull up what I had on

710
00:51:11,948 --> 00:51:15,780
that presentation. Okay. Do you have a sheet that shows

711
00:51:16,121 --> 00:51:17,700
the existing and proposed.

712
00:51:29,629 --> 00:51:31,776
All right. It looks like it's, it's broken up. Maybe.

713
00:51:34,622 --> 00:51:40,377
I have it broken up here. All right. Let's give

714
00:51:40,377 --> 00:51:42,357
me a moment. I could pull up the plans, but

715
00:51:42,357 --> 00:51:44,937
for now I just have the, that's all right. Okay.

716
00:51:45,198 --> 00:51:47,497
I don't want everyone to just have to sit here

717
00:51:47,598 --> 00:51:51,808
too long. Um, but in, and everyone can see their

718
00:51:51,848 --> 00:51:55,248
own sheet 8202. Um, I looked at it, I looked

719
00:51:55,248 --> 00:51:57,708
at that and went, wow, this is really cool. You

720
00:51:57,708 --> 00:52:00,048
know, I like, I like basically what you guys are

721
00:52:00,088 --> 00:52:04,212
doing. I think it's great. Um, and, and, uh, you're

722
00:52:04,212 --> 00:52:10,590
taking, uh, special building, um, you're refreshing it. Um, so

723
00:52:10,611 --> 00:52:14,430
I'm really, really excited about that. Um, it's just when,

724
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:16,510
when you start looking at some of the pieces, it's

725
00:52:16,611 --> 00:52:19,710
like, Oh man, you know, and this is like our,

726
00:52:19,811 --> 00:52:22,750
our one chance at this, once this is built, it's

727
00:52:22,771 --> 00:52:26,162
going to look like that for 50 years. So, um,

728
00:52:26,523 --> 00:52:28,902
I want to make sure that, you know, everyone's happy

729
00:52:29,163 --> 00:52:33,084
and excited about it in the end. So that's why

730
00:52:33,105 --> 00:52:36,124
I made those comments I made about those different appendages.

731
00:52:37,974 --> 00:52:43,779
Um. And there are some details. But those are, I

732
00:52:43,779 --> 00:52:45,659
think I'm going to stick with the broad brush important

733
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,939
one. I think are important things. And I've mentioned them.

734
00:52:54,697 --> 00:52:56,116
I'd like to jump in if we can keep that

735
00:52:56,217 --> 00:53:01,481
pay job. Kind of, um, harking back to what Commission

736
00:53:01,502 --> 00:53:04,841
of Bucks Aquish is mentioning now with this simple but

737
00:53:04,881 --> 00:53:09,455
elegant roof line. And to, um, Commissioner McIntosh was asking

738
00:53:09,495 --> 00:53:12,575
about earlier with this El Dorado Stone cladding on the

739
00:53:12,836 --> 00:53:17,295
south end, which is, uh, arguably the most prominent end

740
00:53:17,295 --> 00:53:22,970
of the building. Um. If you look at the proposed

741
00:53:23,231 --> 00:53:26,650
in the existing part of the elegance of the existing

742
00:53:26,671 --> 00:53:30,490
was that this southmost end of the cross, the holding

743
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:34,230
the crucifix maintained the slope of the building. And if

744
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:36,390
you look at the image here in the top right,

745
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:38,550
you can see that that slope continues his trajectory up

746
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:44,790
to the cross. Um, yet in the proposed, uh, where

747
00:53:44,811 --> 00:53:48,390
kind of abandoning that relationship by raising what looks like

748
00:53:48,491 --> 00:53:51,570
a chimney now, uh, a few feet above the, um,

749
00:53:51,931 --> 00:53:58,997
southernmost call it perpendicular roof edge. And, um, I, I,

750
00:53:59,037 --> 00:54:02,037
I want to say that, you know, what we're looking

751
00:54:02,037 --> 00:54:05,126
at here is an improvement to what's existing. But I

752
00:54:05,126 --> 00:54:09,046
am concerned about that one corner. And it could be,

753
00:54:09,046 --> 00:54:13,175
um, corner meeting that call it chimney element. It could

754
00:54:13,175 --> 00:54:17,338
be a combination of the changed roof line. Um, and

755
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:21,578
the material, uh, usage. But, um, you know, the very

756
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:28,794
strong. Material change on the southeast corner where we're infilling

757
00:54:29,375 --> 00:54:35,434
what was kind of a covered outdoor area, um, standing

758
00:54:35,615 --> 00:54:40,080
seam metal element. And it just feels a little, it

759
00:54:40,101 --> 00:54:44,480
feels detached switching to the El Dorado Stone and raising,

760
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,703
um. Raising that roof height. Um, so it's not following

761
00:54:49,004 --> 00:54:54,397
the existing slope of the building anymore. And it seems

762
00:54:54,397 --> 00:54:58,477
like there's opportunity to kind of bring it back while

763
00:54:58,517 --> 00:55:07,958
still improving it. Um, otherwise, uh,

764
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:11,018
understanding that the slope of the roof is actually not

765
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:13,338
a ridge, but a valley took some questions away about

766
00:55:13,378 --> 00:55:20,698
the water overflow. Um. But, uh. That's all I got.

767
00:55:22,924 --> 00:55:29,763
I have a comment. I agree with Commissioner Buksek. The

768
00:55:29,763 --> 00:55:34,023
first thing I saw on the additions is that are

769
00:55:34,023 --> 00:55:39,199
not following the architecture. This is a 1968 building by

770
00:55:39,220 --> 00:55:44,478
Richard Harson. It's on the historical survey, but it might

771
00:55:44,518 --> 00:55:48,721
not be destinated. But, uh, the least thing we can

772
00:55:48,761 --> 00:55:51,921
do is just try to be compatible with the architecture.

773
00:55:53,115 --> 00:55:56,934
So I'm not totally in agreement with the entry treatment.

774
00:55:57,982 --> 00:56:01,401
And the north side addition that looks like an addition

775
00:56:01,441 --> 00:56:05,756
with the flat roof higher. Than this elegant sloping roof

776
00:56:05,937 --> 00:56:12,604
going down. And, um, on the west side, the patio

777
00:56:12,785 --> 00:56:17,404
that sticks out, I think it's a good call to

778
00:56:17,505 --> 00:56:21,164
just put the standing seam on top and leave the

779
00:56:21,185 --> 00:56:26,905
roof sloping the way it is. But on the east,

780
00:56:26,905 --> 00:56:31,122
um, that entries, it can be enhanced. And make it

781
00:56:31,143 --> 00:56:34,642
work again to provide the entry for the new, for

782
00:56:34,903 --> 00:56:40,613
the renovated building. Also, I'm happy to see that the

783
00:56:41,434 --> 00:56:45,373
void on the soth side has been enclosed. Because if

784
00:56:45,373 --> 00:56:49,653
you notice, it's been fenced out because I was a

785
00:56:49,674 --> 00:56:54,848
room for homeless people to gather there their night. But

786
00:56:54,848 --> 00:56:58,528
I don't agree on the angle of the standing seam

787
00:56:58,709 --> 00:57:04,594
roof. That it doesn't really need to follow the taper

788
00:57:04,695 --> 00:57:10,270
ends. And I think the proposal of evacia might not

789
00:57:10,310 --> 00:57:14,270
be right because the left side of that void is

790
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:18,912
actually straight, not in an angle. So if you put

791
00:57:19,253 --> 00:57:27,756
the standing seam panels vertical, it might look better. So

792
00:57:27,796 --> 00:57:32,921
those are the. Three areas that are not comfortable with,

793
00:57:32,921 --> 00:57:41,875
um, for this building. Any other comments?

794
00:57:43,183 --> 00:57:46,682
I have a few comments. Okay. Um, pretending to the

795
00:57:46,722 --> 00:57:53,987
landscape. It's a great plant palette you have here. A

796
00:57:53,987 --> 00:57:57,827
great mixture of, um, a low water used plants. What

797
00:57:57,827 --> 00:57:59,747
I do see missing is some type of ground cover.

798
00:58:00,909 --> 00:58:03,368
That can help you, um, fill in a lot of,

799
00:58:03,408 --> 00:58:06,001
a lot of the landscape as needed. But, um, more

800
00:58:06,041 --> 00:58:09,681
importantly when it comes to the plant layout, I don't

801
00:58:09,942 --> 00:58:14,481
see really a consistency with the new plant arrangement compared

802
00:58:14,481 --> 00:58:17,601
to what's already their existing on the rest of the

803
00:58:17,702 --> 00:58:22,647
parking lot. From the, um, planting design. It seems to

804
00:58:22,647 --> 00:58:27,967
be more before more, um, structured plant layout, more on

805
00:58:28,028 --> 00:58:31,207
center planting. And as you look on the street view

806
00:58:31,948 --> 00:58:33,847
of the rest of the parking lot, it looks more

807
00:58:34,108 --> 00:58:38,287
organic natural arrangement of plant material. So it's going to

808
00:58:38,287 --> 00:58:42,407
be a stark difference between existing and new, uh, new,

809
00:58:42,407 --> 00:58:45,127
uh, the new planting design as you get closer to

810
00:58:46,268 --> 00:58:48,567
the building. And I feel like it would be a

811
00:58:48,607 --> 00:58:52,807
disservice to have a brand new looking building with new

812
00:58:53,548 --> 00:58:57,367
landscape plant material by the building. But as you approach

813
00:58:57,388 --> 00:58:59,527
from the street side into the parking lot, you're going

814
00:58:59,527 --> 00:59:03,047
to have a mixture of old and new plant material.

815
00:59:03,047 --> 00:59:05,667
So it's going to look like two different projects, two

816
00:59:05,708 --> 00:59:09,847
different properties where, where, uh, new plan materials starts at

817
00:59:09,948 --> 00:59:14,407
one point and then ends at the existing, um, parking

818
00:59:14,447 --> 00:59:19,511
lot. I feel like for consistency either new plans should

819
00:59:19,551 --> 00:59:22,631
be installed throughout the parking lot. Not just near the

820
00:59:22,671 --> 00:59:27,394
building. And or match the plant arrangement to either be

821
00:59:27,495 --> 00:59:32,605
formal like you have on the new plant. Layout. Or

822
00:59:32,645 --> 00:59:34,525
to match was existing, which would be more of a

823
00:59:34,565 --> 00:59:38,605
natural organic arrangement of the plant material and not be

824
00:59:38,706 --> 00:59:48,685
on center planting. Just as a comment,

825
00:59:48,685 --> 00:59:51,245
uh, when it comes to the pettylamth as being used,

826
00:59:51,245 --> 00:59:53,645
um, it's a great plant. Um, it will need some

827
00:59:53,666 --> 00:59:56,845
shade. And it seems like in some of the locations

828
00:59:56,885 --> 01:00:01,725
that it's being proposed, um, you would have a chance

829
01:00:01,986 --> 01:00:05,485
of the plant material not making it, especially when it's

830
01:00:05,525 --> 01:00:08,445
getting full sun exposure throughout the day. It would need

831
01:00:08,626 --> 01:00:18,264
constant yearly, um, uh. Yeah, shading and providing replacing the

832
01:00:18,285 --> 01:00:21,827
plan material way too often. Maybe come maintenance problem later

833
01:00:21,867 --> 01:00:25,573
down the road. But, uh, overall, um, I think it's

834
01:00:25,573 --> 01:00:28,213
a good plant palette. It's just might need some rework

835
01:00:28,213 --> 01:00:31,813
to be done to be able to seamlessly work with

836
01:00:31,853 --> 01:00:36,873
the existing landscape and or replace the existing landscape. Thank

837
01:00:36,873 --> 01:00:46,271
you. Comments. I've seen. That. So do we want to

838
01:00:46,271 --> 01:00:50,244
make a motion in some form. I'd like to take

839
01:00:50,665 --> 01:00:54,244
a crack at it. Okay. Um, and yeah, the reason

840
01:00:54,284 --> 01:00:56,944
I want to take a crack at it is, um,

841
01:00:57,625 --> 01:00:59,764
I want to say, you know, I made some general

842
01:00:59,865 --> 01:01:03,284
comments about, about a couple of the parts of the,

843
01:01:03,284 --> 01:01:07,044
of the building, um, and I have ideas about what

844
01:01:07,065 --> 01:01:09,524
you could do on the East End and what you

845
01:01:09,524 --> 01:01:11,684
could do on the north end, but I didn't want

846
01:01:11,684 --> 01:01:14,404
to say it because, you know, you guys are good

847
01:01:14,505 --> 01:01:18,724
designers. And I think you need, you deserve to take

848
01:01:18,745 --> 01:01:20,884
a crack at it and do what you think is,

849
01:01:20,905 --> 01:01:23,584
is right based on the comments you hear. And, you

850
01:01:23,584 --> 01:01:25,844
know, and bring it back. I don't want to have

851
01:01:25,844 --> 01:01:29,124
you guys walk away with a list of, oh, well,

852
01:01:29,124 --> 01:01:31,524
gee, let's lower this and let's, you know, at a

853
01:01:31,524 --> 01:01:35,684
standing seam roof over here and, you know, um, I

854
01:01:35,724 --> 01:01:39,204
don't know what some other comments, um, maybe would be,

855
01:01:39,204 --> 01:01:42,404
Oh, let's, let's make this standing seam straight, not, not

856
01:01:42,505 --> 01:01:45,284
sloped. You know, if you guys have reasons for what

857
01:01:45,324 --> 01:01:49,364
you did, I'm going to say if you have aesthetic

858
01:01:49,625 --> 01:01:53,844
reasons that you feel strongly about, you can push back

859
01:01:54,585 --> 01:01:58,804
and say, you know, and give us design reasons for

860
01:01:58,985 --> 01:02:01,364
why you want to do it this way or that

861
01:02:01,404 --> 01:02:04,164
way. We can have, we can have a design discussion

862
01:02:04,204 --> 01:02:09,494
about it. Um, so I think it'd be good to

863
01:02:09,534 --> 01:02:12,014
give you guys that opportunity to come back based on

864
01:02:12,014 --> 01:02:17,894
what you've heard. And with a modified proposal, um, and

865
01:02:17,934 --> 01:02:22,694
then, and then, you know, defend your design. You might

866
01:02:22,715 --> 01:02:26,328
lose. Um, but, but if you feel strongly about it,

867
01:02:26,328 --> 01:02:29,208
I'll tell you in the past when, when an architect

868
01:02:30,029 --> 01:02:34,008
has, has given me good reasons for why they did

869
01:02:34,029 --> 01:02:37,208
what they did. And I might, I might disagree a

870
01:02:37,208 --> 01:02:39,608
little bit philosophically, but I'm the first one to back

871
01:02:39,648 --> 01:02:43,288
off if, if I think what they're saying has merit.

872
01:02:50,551 --> 01:02:57,441
The public comic has ended. So, uh, as far as

873
01:02:57,481 --> 01:03:00,881
making a motion, um, I'm going to ask staff, how

874
01:03:01,222 --> 01:03:03,201
general can we keep it? I know typically you guys

875
01:03:03,222 --> 01:03:07,841
like, you know, to have some kind of list of

876
01:03:07,942 --> 01:03:12,241
comments that we can hand to an applicant, um, is

877
01:03:12,241 --> 01:03:18,236
that really necessary. So it would be, it's beneficial for

878
01:03:18,577 --> 01:03:22,476
the application to be able to have the information as

879
01:03:22,516 --> 01:03:27,976
far as the, I know different commissioners weighed in. But

880
01:03:27,976 --> 01:03:33,436
yeah, providing information on how giving them just general direction.

881
01:03:33,436 --> 01:03:35,676
So then that way they know what they need to

882
01:03:35,777 --> 01:03:38,156
correct or adjust. So that way they can bring the

883
01:03:38,196 --> 01:03:42,956
item back. Okay. Um, so I would propose to condition

884
01:03:43,057 --> 01:03:50,876
the project with the, with the following comments, um, number

885
01:03:50,897 --> 01:03:59,516
one, um, revisit the East entrance to make it more

886
01:04:00,577 --> 01:04:06,788
cohesive and complementary to the existing building design. To revisit

887
01:04:09,449 --> 01:04:15,268
the North end of the building, um, and parapet design

888
01:04:15,849 --> 01:04:25,665
that's being proposed. To revisit the fin at the south

889
01:04:25,705 --> 01:04:30,344
end that's being proposed to be clad in stone. Um,

890
01:04:30,845 --> 01:04:40,184
and to revisit the standing seam, um, curtain wall product

891
01:04:40,224 --> 01:04:44,424
that's being proposed at the south end and how it

892
01:04:44,424 --> 01:04:51,689
integrates with the, with the existing building. And to, um.

893
01:04:53,228 --> 01:04:57,927
To restudy the landscape plan so that it's a more

894
01:04:58,188 --> 01:05:02,967
cohesive landscape design throughout the entire site, not just around

895
01:05:03,068 --> 01:05:10,869
the building. What did I miss. Anyone want to add

896
01:05:10,869 --> 01:05:17,204
to that? Oh, and to reconsider the specification for the

897
01:05:17,465 --> 01:05:26,569
pedal anthys. And whatever he said.

898
01:05:28,448 --> 01:05:30,747
If you don't afford it's worth, um, cause we went

899
01:05:30,747 --> 01:05:34,933
over. Does that have a common name. Slipper plant. Slipper

900
01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:43,681
plant to revisit the use of the slipper plant. And

901
01:05:43,721 --> 01:05:45,921
I agree with, with your breakdown, by the way, um,

902
01:05:45,921 --> 01:05:48,721
but I just wanted to point out, because we've reviewed

903
01:05:48,742 --> 01:05:52,161
another project before where an applicant was proposing to put

904
01:05:52,262 --> 01:05:55,841
in some plantings, um, on call it the addition on

905
01:05:55,862 --> 01:05:59,121
this building. But the opposite side that was existing to

906
01:05:59,161 --> 01:06:03,361
remain wasn't really kind of following through. It was clearly

907
01:06:03,462 --> 01:06:08,245
a different design. Um. There's clearly more work done in

908
01:06:08,245 --> 01:06:10,805
the landscape plan around the new building that wants existing

909
01:06:10,845 --> 01:06:13,685
around the rest of the parking lot. Um, I would

910
01:06:13,706 --> 01:06:19,525
consider, um, if they wanted to, to, um, make the

911
01:06:19,546 --> 01:06:22,485
rest of the property follow suit to the new design

912
01:06:22,906 --> 01:06:27,918
as an option. Versus telling their landscape architect to change

913
01:06:27,939 --> 01:06:31,947
the design to conform to someone else's design. Right? Exactly.

914
01:06:32,448 --> 01:06:40,383
Okay. Okay. Any more. All right. For the record, Commissioner

915
01:06:40,404 --> 01:06:43,983
Vuxic, was that a condition of approval or are you

916
01:06:44,404 --> 01:06:47,583
motioning to continue? Forgive me. I'm motioning to continue. I

917
01:06:47,583 --> 01:06:49,823
think there's enough here. We, we need to look at

918
01:06:49,863 --> 01:06:53,323
it again. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Should we take a phone?

919
01:06:53,363 --> 01:06:56,341
We need a second. I'll second. You got a second.

920
01:06:57,290 --> 01:07:01,189
Uh, one second. All right. Motion by FUXIC second by

921
01:07:01,229 --> 01:07:09,373
Sanchez Commissioner Voksick. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner McIntosh. Hi.

922
01:07:09,394 --> 01:07:14,670
Commissioner Garcia. Aye. Vicer Gregory? I am. Chair Blakely. Aye.

923
01:07:14,931 --> 01:07:21,103
Motion carry 60. Thank you. And I'm going to ask

924
01:07:21,143 --> 01:07:23,143
the applicant to stick around for one more minute. I

925
01:07:23,143 --> 01:07:24,623
just want to make sure that you guys don't leave

926
01:07:25,444 --> 01:07:28,463
with some confusion about what to do on that landscape.

927
01:07:28,463 --> 01:07:32,920
Cause I'm a little confused. On it. Um, so this

928
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,440
is kind of like after the fact, just, just quick,

929
01:07:36,461 --> 01:07:42,583
quick discussion. Um. Are, are we going to, are we

930
01:07:42,583 --> 01:07:48,103
expecting them to come back and, and, and propose a

931
01:07:48,103 --> 01:07:53,062
new landscape plan for the entire parking lot. And, and

932
01:07:53,102 --> 01:07:57,320
if we are, and you guys can't do that. Then

933
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,800
you need to come back and say, and say, Hey,

934
01:07:59,901 --> 01:08:03,720
you know, Hey guys, we can't do that. Yeah. Yeah.

935
01:08:07,828 --> 01:08:12,527
Hi. Can we get you on a microphone, please? Well,

936
01:08:12,708 --> 01:08:14,607
I'm sorry. I guess it's not. Yeah. We're in a,

937
01:08:14,607 --> 01:08:17,087
we're in a public meeting. So yeah, go ahead and

938
01:08:17,108 --> 01:08:20,718
come over here and just turn it on. Here. All

939
01:08:20,718 --> 01:08:24,078
right. So my name is Oscar Lua. I'm the managing

940
01:08:24,099 --> 01:08:27,933
partner for DIG. And I'm also the general contractor and

941
01:08:27,954 --> 01:08:31,933
Reuben is our designer, uh, but yeah, this property does

942
01:08:31,954 --> 01:08:36,733
have a shared parking with, uh, the enabling properties. So,

943
01:08:36,733 --> 01:08:39,853
um, to mandate to have other property owners who I'm

944
01:08:39,893 --> 01:08:42,333
not familiar with. I know there are other owners that

945
01:08:42,373 --> 01:08:45,773
own this parking lot as reciprocally use. Uh, what takes

946
01:08:45,773 --> 01:08:49,133
some time, uh, to come in and have the landscape

947
01:08:49,173 --> 01:08:51,533
architect, which I'm sure would have to go to just

948
01:08:51,533 --> 01:08:55,373
like it is here. A commission, the voting, uh, what

949
01:08:55,413 --> 01:08:57,453
landscape architect and then what that design would look like

950
01:08:58,034 --> 01:09:01,773
or the entire property rather than the specific property that

951
01:09:01,794 --> 01:09:07,993
is owned by this parcel. Does that pertain to existing

952
01:09:08,334 --> 01:09:10,633
planetary? That's there that you're calling out to replace as

953
01:09:10,633 --> 01:09:13,273
well? Are you going to those same people as you

954
01:09:13,313 --> 01:09:16,233
replace? We would have to. Yes. Uh, again, the partnership

955
01:09:16,414 --> 01:09:21,433
also owns, uh, part of the neighboring parcel. And both

956
01:09:21,473 --> 01:09:24,473
conditions, uh, for the parcel that we own and the

957
01:09:24,473 --> 01:09:30,933
neighboring have reciprocal use agreement. So therefore all costs must

958
01:09:30,933 --> 01:09:40,441
be split, including improvements and maintenance. So the, the, the,

959
01:09:40,441 --> 01:09:44,201
the motions been made and it's been approved. Um, but

960
01:09:45,102 --> 01:09:48,761
you guys can certainly come back and explain, okay, this

961
01:09:48,801 --> 01:09:53,397
is what we would propose. And this is why. I

962
01:09:53,397 --> 01:09:56,037
think what, what brought this common up in the first

963
01:09:56,037 --> 01:09:58,917
place was that you have, I'm just going to say

964
01:09:59,018 --> 01:10:02,323
you have prominent frontage on Fred wearing. Right. And, uh,

965
01:10:03,964 --> 01:10:07,143
your scope of work, your limit of work is at

966
01:10:07,143 --> 01:10:10,503
pretty close to significant intersection. Townsend our way and Fred

967
01:10:10,524 --> 01:10:15,943
Waring. And the proposed landscape design is covering about half

968
01:10:15,983 --> 01:10:21,543
of that frontage. And then there, defined transition from what

969
01:10:21,564 --> 01:10:25,203
is a more, um, call it like a systemic, uh,

970
01:10:27,084 --> 01:10:33,143
aligned force design of rows and patterns that then all

971
01:10:33,183 --> 01:10:36,263
of a sudden, uh, becomes more of a sparse, more

972
01:10:36,263 --> 01:10:41,303
natural flow of plants. So, um, I think what I

973
01:10:41,303 --> 01:10:43,303
was trying to, to at least put out as an

974
01:10:43,303 --> 01:10:46,423
idea is that rather, you don't want to change this

975
01:10:46,444 --> 01:10:49,703
landscape design. It's obvious, right? But you're suggesting also that

976
01:10:49,743 --> 01:10:54,663
it's more complicated to revise the existing parking lot landscading

977
01:10:55,084 --> 01:11:00,663
landscaping. Um, but perhaps there's a way to maybe, massage

978
01:11:00,924 --> 01:11:04,423
the frontage along Fred wearing so that there is a

979
01:11:04,463 --> 01:11:07,783
more of like a uniform look along the street that

980
01:11:07,964 --> 01:11:10,423
then as it goes back towards your building, might change

981
01:11:10,844 --> 01:11:17,604
into this new design that was presented to us. Does

982
01:11:17,604 --> 01:11:19,284
that make sense? Yeah. I mean, that's something I understand.

983
01:11:20,112 --> 01:11:23,691
I understand that. But it's just difficult. I'd have to

984
01:11:23,691 --> 01:11:25,691
understand what the architect means and what that means with

985
01:11:25,731 --> 01:11:29,211
the neighboring owners. It's not one or two owners. There's,

986
01:11:29,211 --> 01:11:32,571
uh, multiple property owners within the condo eyes project next

987
01:11:32,571 --> 01:11:35,771
door. So, um, yeah, I'd have to explore what that

988
01:11:36,032 --> 01:11:38,971
looks like and what that means because I'm sure today

989
01:11:38,992 --> 01:11:41,691
they're not mandating to change it. But, uh, because of

990
01:11:41,691 --> 01:11:44,251
a new building, they're just going to say that's, that's

991
01:11:44,251 --> 01:11:47,371
your problem, right? So that's what I would tell them.

992
01:11:47,411 --> 01:11:50,664
I'm not building a new building. You are. But to

993
01:11:50,685 --> 01:11:53,944
redo the entire parking lot, that'd be, uh, that would

994
01:11:53,944 --> 01:11:57,544
be the case. Yeah. Too much. But even if, if

995
01:11:57,565 --> 01:12:00,664
your landscape architect, you're able to look at the, the

996
01:12:00,765 --> 01:12:04,064
South elevation, Fred wearing drive landscape and was able to

997
01:12:05,325 --> 01:12:08,664
maybe take a page out of the existing landscape's book

998
01:12:09,005 --> 01:12:12,584
and feather that into as your landscape proceeds towards the

999
01:12:12,605 --> 01:12:16,904
building, towards the north, the parking area. That remains as

1000
01:12:16,944 --> 01:12:20,937
designed. Am I making sense? It's making sense. I mean,

1001
01:12:21,518 --> 01:12:23,577
the easy solution to me to take it all the

1002
01:12:23,577 --> 01:12:26,537
way into the entrance all the way there, but that's,

1003
01:12:26,537 --> 01:12:32,777
you know, it's something we'd have to look at and

1004
01:12:32,817 --> 01:12:35,257
do a study on and see what it is. Because

1005
01:12:35,257 --> 01:12:39,177
ultimately we'd have to redesign that, submit that to CVWD

1006
01:12:39,438 --> 01:12:41,817
that we have and all that, right? So even if

1007
01:12:41,857 --> 01:12:46,217
it's the subtle part right here. Chair, if I may,

1008
01:12:46,318 --> 01:12:50,057
we should be cautious of continuing the discussion since the

1009
01:12:50,057 --> 01:12:53,657
item has already been a decision has already been made

1010
01:12:53,657 --> 01:12:56,377
to continue the item. Um, so this discussion can be

1011
01:12:56,478 --> 01:13:01,737
followed up as part of the next, um, design review.

1012
01:13:01,737 --> 01:13:04,137
My question, should we make an amendment to what we

1013
01:13:04,177 --> 01:13:08,390
just voted on changing what we just talked about. So

1014
01:13:08,430 --> 01:13:11,190
as far as the motion, the motion was to continue.

1015
01:13:11,190 --> 01:13:14,470
The item with the direction. So with the applicant having

1016
01:13:14,510 --> 01:13:19,270
that information that came following after is just the minutes

1017
01:13:19,291 --> 01:13:22,070
are just going to look a little different. But yeah,

1018
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:24,950
I think the applicant understands what the commission is looking

1019
01:13:24,990 --> 01:13:30,632
for. Just want to make clarify that. Okay. Yeah. It

1020
01:13:30,632 --> 01:13:33,032
is John said earlier. You have the right to come

1021
01:13:33,072 --> 01:13:37,370
back and defend your position. Right. Yeah. Understand. And I'll

1022
01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:39,690
have to have a discussion with my consultants and my

1023
01:13:39,791 --> 01:13:42,570
landscape architect. And I know the back of the building,

1024
01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:45,130
which is the north end. There's a very specific piece

1025
01:13:45,170 --> 01:13:47,210
of equipment that we need to look at. But how

1026
01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:49,770
can we aesthetically make it better? Right. We need to

1027
01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:53,690
maintain the heights and the clearances, but can it look

1028
01:13:53,690 --> 01:13:56,650
better? Yeah. Sure. Let's, let's look at what aesthetically we

1029
01:13:56,650 --> 01:13:59,610
can do with para bits. But the height will need

1030
01:13:59,610 --> 01:14:01,690
to maintain in order for us to achieve what we're

1031
01:14:01,690 --> 01:14:07,351
looking forward, our medical facility. But absolutely more than happy,

1032
01:14:07,351 --> 01:14:09,251
uh, to look at any architectural elements that we can

1033
01:14:09,251 --> 01:14:12,111
do. Uh, you know, it isn't a parking lot. So

1034
01:14:12,111 --> 01:14:14,551
we want to make sure that we're conscious of that

1035
01:14:15,132 --> 01:14:17,271
and what, what kind of, uh, costs would go into

1036
01:14:17,271 --> 01:14:24,391
that. Right. Making the east entrance simpler. Thank you. It

1037
01:14:24,412 --> 01:14:26,951
would cost me less. So, uh, certainly we'll look at

1038
01:14:26,951 --> 01:14:30,471
all the elements. We'll certainly regroup with my architectural team

1039
01:14:30,572 --> 01:14:33,351
and design team and, uh, come back with something with,

1040
01:14:33,351 --> 01:14:36,551
uh, with the comments that we've got from today's meeting.

1041
01:14:36,551 --> 01:14:41,535
Great. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. You got it. Okay.

1042
01:14:42,337 --> 01:14:47,021
Now we move on. Um, Committee meeting updates. Cultural art

1043
01:14:47,061 --> 01:14:52,864
committee. We do have something, um, as I said before,

1044
01:14:52,864 --> 01:14:55,984
for some reason, uh, Palm Desert is becoming the art

1045
01:14:56,005 --> 01:15:00,384
section of the Coachella Valley. So there is an organization

1046
01:15:01,285 --> 01:15:08,944
called Planair. It's a outdoor painting situation, uh, got a

1047
01:15:08,944 --> 01:15:14,814
brochure here that got approved. They ask Palm Springs Acom

1048
01:15:14,835 --> 01:15:19,768
Springs Life. Where would they like to put this. And

1049
01:15:19,768 --> 01:15:22,648
they decided Palm Desert. So Palm Desert is going to

1050
01:15:22,648 --> 01:15:25,208
be the location and Palm Springs life is going to

1051
01:15:25,429 --> 01:15:27,808
sponsor it. And it's going to be an outdoor event

1052
01:15:27,909 --> 01:15:32,208
on El Paso. So we are moving forward as a

1053
01:15:32,208 --> 01:15:36,953
city to be the Art of the Valley. That's the

1054
01:15:36,993 --> 01:15:46,699
Architect. Before I turn the page. Um, so for staff,

1055
01:15:46,699 --> 01:15:49,259
um, we do have a new member of our planning

1056
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,579
team, uh, Travis Heaps. He's joining us coming from the

1057
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,848
private sector and also with Public Sector experience. Also fellow

1058
01:15:58,509 --> 01:16:01,768
Ca Poly Alumni. So we're excited to have him on

1059
01:16:01,768 --> 01:16:07,111
board. And so he'll be seeing more of him. Yes.

1060
01:16:09,918 --> 01:16:14,097
Okay. Um. Request fraction. Are there any commissioners who like

1061
01:16:14,137 --> 01:16:16,737
to propose a future agenda item to be considered by

1062
01:16:16,777 --> 01:16:22,853
the Commission. I'll make the one. What about making a

1063
01:16:22,853 --> 01:16:31,293
motion or considering, uh, would you do four plants. Yeah.

1064
01:16:31,314 --> 01:16:34,973
Um, what was presented to us today could be construed

1065
01:16:34,973 --> 01:16:40,973
as like a permit submittal. Um, minus the existing demo

1066
01:16:41,314 --> 01:16:44,413
plans and sections and all that stuff. But from an

1067
01:16:44,453 --> 01:16:47,773
aesthetic standpoint, it helps us, we have no understanding of

1068
01:16:47,813 --> 01:16:49,933
the project at all except for those few pictures of

1069
01:16:49,954 --> 01:16:53,693
existing to have a comparison of what's existing and what's

1070
01:16:53,733 --> 01:16:58,451
proposed. Yeah. And that's, that's something that we can look

1071
01:16:58,451 --> 01:17:01,251
at as far as our checklist. So the checklist is

1072
01:17:01,291 --> 01:17:05,171
what's provided online. So that's typically whenever, um, we're giving

1073
01:17:05,192 --> 01:17:07,811
guidance to applicants to make sure that they have a

1074
01:17:07,851 --> 01:17:11,631
complete application is that they're adhering to our checklist. Um,

1075
01:17:12,232 --> 01:17:16,531
for whatever reason, existing elevations and existing floor plans, it's

1076
01:17:17,032 --> 01:17:20,211
not, I know it's typically provided, but as far as,

1077
01:17:20,211 --> 01:17:23,411
um, it being a hard requirement, we can revisit that

1078
01:17:23,592 --> 01:17:25,491
and take a look at our checklist and see if

1079
01:17:25,491 --> 01:17:27,971
they need to be updated. Um, also too right now,

1080
01:17:27,971 --> 01:17:30,051
we're going through a lot of ADA changes on the

1081
01:17:30,091 --> 01:17:33,651
way that we have our handouts. Um, so this is

1082
01:17:33,651 --> 01:17:35,171
probably a good time to be able to look at

1083
01:17:35,211 --> 01:17:40,171
that and, um, make changes. We can request that. As

1084
01:17:40,171 --> 01:17:43,561
a commission. Uh, so it's something that SAF will take

1085
01:17:43,582 --> 01:17:50,841
into consideration. And we'll report back as far as if

1086
01:17:50,841 --> 01:17:54,220
we're able to make those changes. Yeah. I think it

1087
01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:56,860
doesn't have to be demolition because that's getting a construction

1088
01:17:56,881 --> 01:18:01,020
documents. It's really just understanding aesthetically what it looked like

1089
01:18:01,060 --> 01:18:03,900
before and what it's going to look like after heights,

1090
01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:08,941
all those things. Sure. Anybody else. Okay.

1091
01:18:14,381 --> 01:18:16,360
With no other questions. I moved to adjourn this meeting

1092
01:18:16,781 --> 01:18:21,130
hearing no objections. I declare the meeting adjourned at. 150.

1093
01:18:31,551 --> 01:18:32,490
Recording stopped.