Commission meeting on August 25th, 2026. To order at 1232.
I'm gonna have a roll call, please. Commissioner Garcia. Here.
Commissioner McIntosh. Here. Commissioner Sanchez. Pierre. Commissioner Buchsik? Here. Vice
Chair Gregory. Here. Chair Blakely. Here. We have a quorum.
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a separate meeting. Is there any commissioner who would like
to make a motion. Chair, if I may, that's for
item 4A, the approval of the minutes for July 28th.
And August 11. Mr. Itemprove for The Minutes of July
28th and August 27, okay. Business items. Consideration. We still
need a motion in a second. Oh, motion in a
second. I motion to approve. Second. Motion by Gregory, second
by Vhuksev, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any
opposed. Motion carry 60. Thank you guys. Can this is
a reaching of a design review for the innovation of
an existing building at 72, 700 Fred wearing. Converting the
former church building into a medical office building. Can I
have a staff report. Yes.
Good afternoon, sharing commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an
associate planner in the development services department. And today I'll
be presenting on permit number DR - 26009. The DIG
LLC Medical Center off 72700 Fred wearing drive. The project
applicant is Reuben Coronado. The project location is 72700 Fredware
in Drive. And the request is the design review approval
for a proposed facade modification. To an existing building for
DIG LLC Medical Center. Their project includes modification to the
architecture, landscape, hardscape, and lighting, and increasing the square footage
from 7, 469 square feet to 9, 325 square feet.
Years of vicinity mapped show the area of the project
site. This is the north side of Fred Waring and
it's to the west of Fairhaven Drive. Across from Trader
Joe's. Now here we just have the east and west
elevations of the proposed project. This is to show the
sloping of the roof. As you can see, the highest
point is on the south elevation at 28 feet. The
northernmost point is at 15 feet height. And here we
have the, um, other elevations, the north and south ignore
the title, please. Um, here we could see the standing
seams as well as the, um, simplification of the North
elevation to just double doors. So here we have the
existing South elevation. This is the current condition. And then
here we have the proposed South elevation. As you can
see, um, the existing recession of the existing conditions have
been infilled. And that is partially of how the square
footage is being added. As well as, um, addition of
second story is added as well. So most of the
square footage edition is actually just infill of two pop
belts, one on the west side and one on the
east, as well as infillion entryways on the east elevation.
And then as we could see on the south elevation,
that infill would be the standing seam. Here we have
the existing east elevation. Again, you could see how it
is recessed currently with the pop out as well as
in the doorways. Then we have the proposed East elevation.
And then we have the existing West elevation. Here I
included multiple photos, um, to show the existing condition as
well as where the mechanical equipment exists currently and where
it's going to be proposed as well. It's going to
be on the side of the West elevation of the
building. And here we have the proposed West Elevation rendering.
And then here I included this rendering to show the
overall image and also include the roof plan. That just
a little bit more clear for presentation purposes just to
show that there is no mechanical equipment on the sloped
roof. For proposed landscaping, this shows
the scope limit as well as some of the plants
included in the landscaping, which includes the line of ficus
along the west elevation. Which is also included with, there
will be a wall as well for screening, but screening
the mechanical equipment. As well as inclusion of polo verdes,
brittle bush, slipper plants, and other various plants like aloe
vero, with, uh, decomposed granite DG. And we have decorative
pavers going into the building on the East elevation. Now
staff of determined that the findings have been met and
recommend the project for approval. If design comments arise during
the discussion, staff recommends the ARC outline the request of
changes and incorporate the commons as conditions of approval. That
concludes my presentation. Thank you. Are there any
questions from staff for the commission. There's the applicant have
any questions. Thought that was, um. Presentation. Is African.
Question. To make sure I understand. I didn't see any
demo plans. I want to make sure I understand exactly
what I'm looking at. Um. So I understand that the
pop - outs on the east and west that are
being filled in, I think. Yes. And then on, on
the south end, um, I'm looking at, right now I'm
looking at A sheet A201. I'm sorry, the north end,
the north end. So it's the low end. And the.
Um, the thing at the, at the north end that's
kind of popping up above the sloped groove. Is that
existing or is that, is that been altered by the
applicant. Are you describing the kind of column feature that's
on the southern elevation that's peeking out on the elevation?
No, I'm, I'm referring to the north end of the
building at the low, low end of the roof. There's
a piece that pops up above the sloped roof. Kind
of a boxy. Oh, yes, the paraffin. Yeah. What is
that added. Um, based off what I saw that parapet
was already existing. You're saying that three feet parapit on
the end. How slopes all the way down and then
it picks back up at that last. Well, it's flat
on the top. The thing I'm looking at, I'm looking
at the west exterior elevation on sheet eight, 201. And
I'm looking at the right end of it. Okay. Yes.
And what you're describing is that end the northernmost piece
that has the three foot parapit. I guess it's a
three foot pair pit. Okay. Yes. Kind of jogs up.
Yeah. Bottom left corner. Okay. Okay. You can look at
the bottom left or the upper right. Yeah. It's the
same form. And is that existing. The parapet now. Yeah.
Okay. We'll leave that one for the apple. Yeah. Okay.
Based off of existing conditions from the aerial you could
see a little bit of change, but he'll describe more
about the paradigm. We'll leave that for the applicant. Another
questions. Okay. I have a question. This being check against
historical preservation ordinance.
Let me get back to you on that one. I
have a question. Uh, so this whole package is all
proposed changes. There is nothing in here indicating existing conditions.
Is that correct? Let's. See. You're saying showing. Well, so
the point of us even talking about this project is
that they're proposing significantly altering an existing building. And all
that we see in this package front of us and
from the presentation. That evokes anything existing or at the
photographs, but we can't see like an existing demo and
proposed plan compare that to a floor plan or a
site plan. So it's hard for us unless we hear
it from you as far as infilling to get that
square footage. We can't really see it. I understand what
you're saying. We have included the, uh, yeah, the floor
plan is included, but the demo plan is not included.
Sheriff, I may. I know, um, as far as what's
typically shown, what we have as far as our design
review checklist, it doesn't include, um, what's existing. It just
includes what's being proposed. I know it's typical that we
do receive it. Um, but however, it's not, it's something
that we can make a modification to if that's something
that the architecture, review commission is concerned about. But as
far as our checklist, the way that it's set up,
it doesn't have what the existing designs are. As part
of the required checklist. Can we make a motion on
that that we'd like to see that? Or how does
that work. It would be a separate item. On the
motion you mean? Not for this motion, but for, um,
follow - up discussion. Okay. Thank you. From the pictures,
the existing building, the north end of the building has
Commissioner Buksey pointed. It seems to be following the slope
of the build. But we'll need clarification. Off if that's
a new. Parpet flat roof on the back. Or you're
just in closing the opening. So it's not clear. And
that's something we'll have the applicant clarify. Any more questions.
At this time I'll open the public period. I invite
the applicant providing additional information. That they can.
State your name. Cornado. Nice to see everyone. So, uh,
to talk about the back area there on the south
side. So what we had to do is we had
to raise the ceiling. Because we had to create the
MR shielding for the, for the, uh, MRI machine. So
that there was an existing parapet, but we did have
to raise the parapet because I had to raise the
roof structure. To accommodate for the MR shielding. So yes,
there already was an existing parapet, but we had to
increase it a little bit because I had to increase
the, uh, the roof height in that area. So it
was raised a little bit here to accommodate that. Thank
you. Anything else you want to explain that she did
a good job? Yeah. So in regards to the floor
plan essentially, I hadn't changed the footprint of the building.
The footprint of the building literally remains the same. It's
just the open patios that are in the building have
just literally been enclosed in that area. So if you
take a look at A dash 100. 1. Uh, on
the bottom side there where you see the elevation, we
pretty much just enclosed that area. Cause right now that
interior area is just a open area. That transients pretty
much hang out in that area right now. So we
closed that out. On the west side, Office 101, that
structure remains the same. We're essentially just infilling the exterior
wall. On the west side. And that area pretty much
stayed exactly the same. And we're adding a standing seam
one inch batten seam roof to that area. On the
east side, I will be removing that, that arched opening.
And this will be a new, uh, extrusion build out
here. But the footprint remain the same. And I just
squared it off so that I can have more room
inside for the lobby area. Uh, everything else that you
see on here is existing exterior structure. If you go
to sheet A dash 100. 2. And the hallway 133.
Essentially that area back to those walls that you see
to the, to the left is all open patio. You
can see I essentially closed off that exterior wall. And
that's, and that's how we pretty much were able to
gain the additional square footage to create a hallway for
all of the new imaging and office areas. So that's
essentially what we did to close off the area. There
was no square footage edition other than the footprint that
was already remaining. Also the architectural features of the building
all remain the same. I'm not changing any of the
exterior structure of the building at all. Other than that
back South area where we're raising the ceiling to create
that parapet to raise it for the CT scan. If
you go to sheet A dash 100. 3. Uh, we've
created a mezzanine, a storage mezzanine on the second floor
for their, uh, secured, uh, expensive medical, you know, whatever
they have up there. Uh, so that's what we've did
on the second floor. But all encapsulated within the existing
structure of the building. Because this was a church that
area was raised and we had substantial space to add
that square footage. A 110, that's just the window. Windows,
I mean, the door schedule. A101 is the exterior window
schedule. Uh, A130 is the roof plan. And you can
see the modifications that we made to the roof on
the, on the south side here. We've, you know, included
that, you know, included the raised pair of pits here.
We're going to have a fiber type roof and the
sloping is going to go to an existing drainage that
was already in place in those locations. Uh, on the
west side here, or the east side, we have the
build out that I was talking about with the roof.
That's also going to be a fiber type roof system.
And I've added a drain system there as well for
it to drain off of that roof. And essentially the
roof will drain as it originally drained from the previous,
uh, build out. Um. These are the exterior elevations. Um,
I do have existing elevations that I can present if
you guys need to see them. That's not a problem.
They've already been created. But essentially you're essentially going to
see the same exact view because there's really no architectural
portions that I'm actually modifying other than accentuating the removing
the cross and putting the stone veneer at the front
entrance on the north side. And then raising the parapet
there for the MRI room. Other than that, and on
A10, you'll see on A201. That's the new, uh, pop
out here that we did for the front entranceway. And
you can see these in the color renderings where the
openings there. I've enclosed it. Remove the cross. We're going
to be putting the stone. On the existing on A202.
That will be removed. And then new facade will be
put on the new entrance way. On the. East side
here. You can see this all essentially remains the same
other than in closing. You can't see it because the
tree's in the way. But essentially it's the same thing.
This, the area on, uh, A203 on the upper right
- hand corner. Looks exactly the same as A202 on
the lower right - hand corner. Those two openings are
essentially exactly the same. We're just in closing it here
on the other one because we're able to make those
offices work within the existing space. A - 204 is
just the color. Pretty much the exterior colors. We're going
to match the adjacent buildings because the doctors own. That
was Jason buildings there. So it's just going to be
a smooth plaster. A smooth white plaster. Um, we have
reglets. Those one inch reglets that we're going to incorporate
here to try to give it a little bit more
pop. And we have the stone. On the north side.
And then we're going to be having the staggered. We're
going to be having the, you know, standing seam on
the pop out on the roof. And for the vertical
features, it's going to be a vertical panel staggered seam.
It's more of like an inverted standing seam system. And
you can see a little bit more of that. If
you take a look on A205 on the upper right
- hand corner, it kind of gave you a picture
of kind of what that will look like. The lower
area on H - 205, that's the standing seam. That
will be sitting on the adjacent roof on the east
side. I'm proposing at this point that it's a matte
black. And then for a little bit more detail on
the sections on A300, you can essentially see kind of
here what I'm doing. Especially on the south side that
you guys talked about raising this area. This is essentially
the, you know, a section cut through that area to
kind of show what's going on. Also you can see
on F10, on A300. The section cut here through the
new entryway. And what the difference correlation would be on
the east side versus the west side there for the
leaving the existing area filled in with the standing seam
and the new entrance build out. Uh, A301 provides a
little bit more detailed information in regards. I have a
question. I don't know if I'm going too much on
this, but no question. Yeah. Keep continue. Okay. Yeah. A301,
that's just a little, uh, better cross section of that
existing condition and how we're infilling that new wall area.
And that's essentially it for the architectural. If you guys
have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
Okay. Thank you. Um, is there any member of the
public who would like to comment on this item? Please
raise your hand to speak. If you are joining the
meeting by telephone, please press star nine to raise your
hand to speak. None. Okay. Now we can ask questions
at the applicant. Okay for she 300, A300 on your
sections. Why is some of the lines are dashed and
some are. Solid doesn't mean. Oh. Those are just gas.
Sorry. Uh, yeah, those are areas are just dashed because
I caught a cross section through them and it just
kind of indicating of cutting through the wall in that
area. It's not demolition. No, this is everything that you
see on these plans is all new construction. Essentially for
the demolition, the interior, we've already gutted the entire inside
of the existing building here now. So, and we already
got demolition permit and all that's already been completed. And
all abatements all been done already as well. But we've
essentially gutted the entire inside of this. The new construction
would just be infilling the patio portions. And going on
the inside from there. Uh, I got a question for
you. On your sheet A204. It says
East elevation. I think it's supposed to be west, right?
Is this the only place where you're calling out the
MS2, which is the standing seam metal roof. Correct. Microphone.
Should I just leave it on? Still breathe heavy. So
yeah, the MS2 is only going to be on that
on the, uh, west side, correct? So is it more
of a fascia detail than an actual roof? I mean,
are we seeing the, just a standing sea metal roof
that I'm going to add to that right now. It
just has a plaster finish on top of it. I'm
going to, I'm going to add the standing seam to
help bring in more of the standing seam elements around
the building to help tie it together. But do you
really, you don't really see it, right? I mean, if
you go up to A203, you've got a nice perspective.
Kind of coming from the southwest that looks at it,
right? Yes. So yeah, that's pretty much what you'll see.
Obviously we'll be cleaning up some of the landscaping there
so you can hopefully see the building a little bit
better. But yes, that tree is to remain in that
area. The tree. You're the palm? Well, the tree there
and there's palms in front of it. Okay. Well, I
was just thinking that, you know, you're not really seeing
too much of your standing sea metal roof, right? It's
more of a fascia detail. Facial. It's just the roof
system that we're going to be putting on there to
help alleviating type of leaks that would also be going
on top of that roof as well. I think it'll
help. Cause right now it's just an open, it's just
an open area. What's probably leaks like crazy. So I
introduce a standing scene to help mitigate any leakage in
that area and kind of make sure that we're sealing
it off correctly. Right. But was that an Architectural decision?
I mean, I'm just wondering, cause you don't really see
it. Right. I mean, it's kind of a flat slope.
Yes. It was an architectural decision. Like I said to
make sure that we handle any water leaks or water
mitigation into that new area. So are you rolling those
ribs down on that fascia detail? Is that what really
makes it look? If you take a look at A301.
If you go to A301, it's pretty much a detailed
description here of what we're looking to do. So if
you look at A7, A301, that's how we're going to
be finishing up regarding the slanted area to help make
sure that they're on getting any waters through that, through
that cracked area there. We also have the Eve and
then we also have the general wheat screen detail at
the bottom. A11. So, so it really doesn't wrap down
into a fascia detail at all, right? Correct. It's just
the standing seam on top of the roof. The face
of that would be plastered to match the rest of
the exterior of the building. Right. Yeah. It's just so
flat. It's too bad we're going to miss out on
a good visual on it. Maybe we cut down the
tree there. Yeah. By the way, before I, I don't
want to sound just critical all the time. Nice set
of drawings by the way. I appreciate that. Thank you.
Um, I noticed on your roof plan. So it looks
like we're going to keep all the mechanical equipment on
the weth side of the building. Yes, sir. Nothing's going
on the roof. Yes, exactly correct. Yes, sir. Okay. Is
that Ruf Hatch existing up there? That's a new roof
hatch that I do need to create to make sure
that we can get on because the knot currently one
there now. Why do you need one? If the guy
put a roof hatch on it and get on the
roof versus somebody stacking a ladder up on the side,
it's a little more little safer. But if we need
to remove it, I have no, you don't need to
remove it. I'm just hoping you're not going to put
any equipment up there. Zero equipment's going on there. As
you can see, if you take a look at the
site plan G010, pretty much the second sheet. Okay. Pretty
much all of the equipment is going out there. We
have nothing on the roof. Just when we see roof
hatches typically, we see equipment. It's just pretty much to
get access in case anything gets up on the roof
where roof trains need to be re cleaned or anything
like that. And some are safe for somebody to get
up onto the roof and do whatever they need to
do. Good. Okay. Um, one, I think important architectural question
I have. You've got that nice vertical. Mass. That currently
has the crucifix on it. And you're going to collat
it in this. Eldorado stone. Correct. You got really two
really nice outside edges outside corners. Right. Have you been
successful in bringing those veneers together in an outside corner?
Thousand percent we have. Yes. We're going to, I'm going
to miter those. I want to, I like to miter
those corners. Okay. Plus they also plus if we can't
miter it. They also have corner pieces that you can
install in the corner of those areas as well. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. I just think that would be really important
to pay attention to that detail. I mean, that's going
to be really sticking out. Stone's going to get your
attention. I've seen unfortunate applications where people didn't pay attention
to that detail. And it just kind of kills the
whole thing. Whereas with yours, um, I'm glad to hear
you guys are thinking about that and making sure, cause
I didn't quite, I didn't see a detail in the
set about mydering or anything like that. Yep. I don't
have that on here, mydering, but I'm here with the
contractor here as well. And, you know, we work together
on these things. So it's a, it's a kind of
a design build type thing. So we make sure that
we look at those type of things and make sure
it looks nice. I want that to look nice. So
for sure I'm going to make sure that that's going
to look good at the end of the day. Yeah.
No, like I said, you did a great job here.
Great set of drawings. And I think you did great
with the building form. Kind of keeping true to form
what was there and sort of modernizing it. But, um,
yeah, if we could just make sure that those details,
you know, are included in the approval. That'd be really
important. Sure. That was it for my comments. I got
one second. Are we still at questions to the applicant?
Yes. Okay. That should have been questions, not comment. Um,
looking at your roof plan A130, you're identifying a scupper
at the north end of the, called the major slope
right when it hits the new parapet of your, um.
Your scanner room. What shooting? A130, your roof plan.
So. I'm just curious. The main existing roof has a
pretty significant slope, right? Correct. And but there is still
a ridge going down the middle of it. Correct. So
water is probably going to be shedding off the roof
on each side before it even gets down to the
bottom where you have this new parapet. North end of
the building. Um. Even with the scupper there, um, do
you have a section that goes right through the middle
of that. I'm just, I'm wondering. Even if it's necessary,
um, to have a scupper there. And that if you
did run. Oh, you mean in the middle where it
transitions to the other side? Yeah. Straddling your ridge line
going through the parapet. Yeah. I've also talked to Al
Miller about this as well. I've talked to the roofers
here as well. We're probably going to open that up
even more because he's saying it's just better for it
to sheet flow into that area. Essentially, that's what it's
doing now. So yes, there won't, there won't be a
scupper there. We're going to just open that up. And
it's just going to sheet flow into that area. But
then those two little scuppers on the northwest corner and
the northeast corner would be sufficient for any of that
runoff. That's exactly what is doing now. That's exactly how
the runoff is happening at this current stage now. Do
you know what the existing slope is on that main
roof. I do not, I'd have to go back to
my plans and get that actual existing slow. There wasn't
a lot of as build information to go off for
this project since it was back in the 50s or
something, I think when this thing was. Yeah. And if
it's just going to follow that kind of gentle ever
increasing slope from the south end and the north end,
it then has a cross slope, which would take any
of that runoff over the edges. Okay. Thank you. Question.
Oh, so. Your elevations are labeled. Wrong, right? The east
means the west, the north, missed out. And so forth.
Uh, no, the north means the north. The south means
the south. East in the west. I thought I had
that correctly there, but I guess what's your question on
in regards to that other one? Um, the new roof
over by the, uh, what it's going to be the
lobby, the entry. Yes. Right now is this loping roof
and you are putting a standing same fascia flat roof.
Because without the existing conditions of demolition planner or existing
section. Can't tell if the proposed rule for your on
the east. It's neo - war existent. So if you
go to A300, right. And go to F10, the middle
one and the. Left - hand side, that is the
existing roof slope as it stands now. All I've done
is enclose the exterior wall and add it standing seam
to that portion. When you go to the right -
hand side, I have demolished that existing entranceway. And now
I'm creating this new, the new pop - out entranceway
here. You can see with parapets and as drains, where
everything to drain properly as well. Um, so that's essentially,
did I answer your question? Right. It's the existing entries
being demolished. And you put in a new roof for
the answer. Correct. But on this section cut, essentially the
existing section cut would just essentially look exactly like the
left - hand side. On the right - hand side
being removed.
I have one more question. And looking at L. Preliminary
Landscape Plan. Is the main entrance to the building going
to be the bottom right kind of cross. Which kind
of has an E dot T just below it. Is
that the main entrance to the building. Yeah. E. T.,
yes. That door right there is the new, is the
main entrance to the building, correct? Golding into the lobby.
And then above that where there is additional paver. To
the left of Mediterranean fan palm, um, that basically looks
like patio right off of a long hallway. Correct. Okay.
And that hallway is not for, uh, patients to go
through. That's more of an exit. It's, it's for both.
Right. So they'll come into the lobby. And either they'll
meet in the exam rooms adjacent to the lobby. And
you meet with the doctor. Or they'll be pre -
scheduled to already have, uh, imaging session where they go
into the area, going to the dress and rooms. And
then from there, they would be going through those corridors
to get to the MRI or the CT scan. Or
whatever treatment that they would be going to do. So
yes, it's an exit corridor as well. Plus it's plus
the doctors also like to have an entrance other than
the front entrance as well. They usually like to enter
the building. Uh, but essentially none of the clients that
would be going there would be using these doors. They
would be coming in and out to front entrance. Uh,
the other doors are primarily for employees, but the hallway
will be used by both clients and the employees and
doctors. I have a question. On L2
landscape imagery. You have three types of, um, ground material,
rock material. Decouples granite, fresh rock, three quarter cross rock.
And a boulders. But on the planting plan, I don't
really see how that's late being laid out is that
just missing from the plan or do I have outdated
plans. What's. So I do have my landscape architect on
the call here. Maybe it's better that he responds to
those. Okay. Um.
My name is Alex Kazukis. I'm the landscape architect. And
actually, thanks for pointing that out. We're, we're not going
to have the crushed rock proposed on the project anymore.
So we'll remove, we would remove that. So it's just
going to be DG and the boulders, right? I'm sorry.
Um, yes, it's just going to be DG. Okay. Thank
you. Another question I had was, um, the rest of
the parking lot is part of this property. Right? We
just, uh, updating planting as needed, uh, specify on your
plans. Sorry. What was the question.
So on L1, I have callouts for existing plan mature
to remain dead or dying plants to be replaced as
needed. I'm assuming that the rest of the parking lot
is still part of this, um, project. Right. Um, it's
not part of the landscape project, but, um, I guess
it's, it might be a part of, uh, the Reuben's
parking and all that. I guess I can feel this.
Yeah. So, um, yeah, the existing parking area that's there
is to remain as, however, it was other than trying
to clean it up here at this point. But it
is part of the property? It is part of their
property, correct? Okay. Thank you. Off you off that. If
the existing planting is to remain is the new planting,
uh, reflecting or kind of caring consistent specimens and ground
cover. For example, if we're calling out for new California
Gold DG, um, is that existing already, uh, in these
medians, uh, do we have existing. Chilean mesquites or blue
Palo Verde. In these medians? Like, are we being consistent.
If we're leaving the existing as it is. Yeah. That
was the intent to stay consistent. It's currently, um, drought
tolerant, um, sparse planting. And we're going to be sticking
with that theme. And we're, we're, um, sharing a lot
of the same, uh, trees that are existing. We're, we're,
uh, implementing them in the new plans as well.
Any more comments, questions. Questions. Um, I have, uh, I
have a question. I'm going to go back to the,
to the roof, the long existing roof. Um. Just cause
I'm a little, little confused about what's happening there. I've
never, I've never seen anything like that. Where you have
a roof, you know, that's a hundred feet long or
something. It's all sloping from the high point to the
low point. Looking for the roof plan now. Except there's
a ridge in the middle of it that doesn't seem
to have. A purpose. I'm looking at the big arrows
that are pointing north. They're going to the low point
of the roof. And is that, is there really a
ridge there? There is. Okay. So is it causing the
water to actually like shed off and go down the
sides of the building instead of just run down to
the bottom? The roof is actually kind of like a
V. So this roof is in caving like this. Oh,
so, so it's a low in the, it's not a
ridge. It's a valid. It's a valley. It's low in
the middle. That's better. So the water is coming and
that's why it's shooting right down the middle of this
thing. And you can tell when you go inside the
building, you can see the trusses are inverted. In creating
that valley. So yeah, the ridgeline. It is, it is
depressed. Okay. So that's what's creating that valley for the
water to sheet flow into the lower area. That's much,
much better. Now that scupper makes sense. Yes. Much, much
better. Okay. Sorry for that. I mislabeled that. No, no
worries. Um, and did you say that that roof is
covered with fiber type. The existing roof right now that
sits there right now as a built up roof system.
Right. And, and the main component of it, it's relatively
in good shape. And to save costs for the owner,
we tried to keep it in place. It was just
the areas that were remodifying that I am putting a
fiber type roof on the back end here to make
sure everything drains properly. Also on the new area and
then standing seam on the, on the, uh, other pop
out there on the right left hand side. Okay. So
that, that big roof, existing roof in the middle, that's
going to remain a built up root. Okay. Okay. I
don't have any other questions. Right. Anybody else any questions
or we. Ve got it. Chair, if I may, um,
I know the question was asked as far as the
historic, if they had it been evaluated. So this site
previously went through a change of zones. So it was
previously designated differently. And then the zone was changed. Um,
as far as the date and the age of the
building, it does fall within the criteria of possibly being
historic. But as far as any type of designations, it's
not a part of any designation. So, um, for the
certificate of appropriateness would be the vehicle for us to
evaluate that. If it was designated as a historic resource,
since it's not designated, then we don't have, um, the
direction that we've been given from counsel is to, um,
give the property owners the ability to make modifications to
their buildings. So that's the direction that we've been given.
It is listed on the recent survey for Circle potentially
historical. So our survey is, we do have a survey
and it is on that list. However, that list is
not a certified list. So if it was certified, then
if they would be required to go through that certificate
of appropriateness process for the historic preservation aspect of it.
But since it's not, it's not designated and it's not
recognized certified lists by the city. Then it does not
have to go through that process. We're good to go,
as they say. Correct. Okay. That was the question. All
right. No other questions than, uh, should we, uh, make
a motion or see what we can do with this
project. Or do you have discussion. I've discussed. Okay. Let's
do discussion. All right. Um, yeah, I guess I'll go
ahead and start it off. Um, so. Yeah, I, I,
uh, first of all, I agree. It's really nice set
of plans. Um, you guys do good work. Um, but
I have to, I have to critique some of the
design that I'm looking at here. Um, you know, and,
and regardless of the building being historic or not, I
didn't even cross my mind. It's a, it's a very
elegant design. It's, it's a really interesting unique striking design
because it's such a simple form. Um, and the, the
pieces that are coming off to the east and west
that we've been talking about, um, you know, they're also
simple and have an elegance to them. Um, I think
the one on the west that's being filled in with
the standing seam roof on top. I think that's fine.
It's very simple. Um, I think you will, you will
see the standing seam. I think, you know, it's surprising
when something has an angle to it how you might
think you're not going to see it, but yeah, you
end up seeing it. Um, the, the appendage on the
east side, that's your new entrance. Um, I was having
a hard time kind of figuring that out because in
the, in the 3D images, it keeps getting covered up
with trees. I can't see it in the 3D images.
Um, so I have to rely on the elevations. And
I can see the existing form. I'm looking at sheet
8202. And in the bottom right I see what's their
existing. And I'm sure it's, you know, it's in bad
shape and whatnot. Um, but from a design standpoint, I
see an elegance that I really like. I think that
new entrance that you're proposing looks like it belongs on
a different building, not this one. Um, I think you
could make an entrance that is at least inspired by
what's, what's their currently. And, you know, keep it simple.
It doesn't have to cost a lot or, or be
something crazy, but just something simple and elegant, like, like
the building. And that looks like a part of the
building. Um. And then in the back. That piece I
asked about, um, in the beginning, cause I wasn't sure
if that was an addition or not, um, sort of
the same thing. You know, the existing building just has
this roof that slopes from, it's high on the south
then and it slopes down to the north end really
strong, simple form. And what you're proposing there looks like
in addition. Um, that doesn't really. Compliment the building very
well. Um, I think that whatever you do on the,
on that north end needs to have a little more
elegance to it to tie into that strong form that
you're working with. You have a really. I think good
opportunity here. I liked when I, when I first looked
at this, before I really started studying the pieces and
I was looking at sheet 8202 and I looked at
proposed and I looked at the existing up at the
top of that sheet, I don't know if you can
put it up on the screen or not, Peyton.
Give me one moment. Okay.
Sheet A202. Oh, okay. Let's see. Oh. Let me, okay.
My apologies and share the wrong screen. You were saying
the proposed elevation screen? Yeah. If you just go to
8202. Right now I just, it would
take me a little bit longer to pull up the
project exhibits. I could pull up what I had on
that presentation. Okay. Do you have a sheet that shows
the existing and proposed.
All right. It looks like it's, it's broken up. Maybe.
I have it broken up here. All right. Let's give
me a moment. I could pull up the plans, but
for now I just have the, that's all right. Okay.
I don't want everyone to just have to sit here
too long. Um, but in, and everyone can see their
own sheet 8202. Um, I looked at it, I looked
at that and went, wow, this is really cool. You
know, I like, I like basically what you guys are
doing. I think it's great. Um, and, and, uh, you're
taking, uh, special building, um, you're refreshing it. Um, so
I'm really, really excited about that. Um, it's just when,
when you start looking at some of the pieces, it's
like, Oh man, you know, and this is like our,
our one chance at this, once this is built, it's
going to look like that for 50 years. So, um,
I want to make sure that, you know, everyone's happy
and excited about it in the end. So that's why
I made those comments I made about those different appendages.
Um. And there are some details. But those are, I
think I'm going to stick with the broad brush important
one. I think are important things. And I've mentioned them.
I'd like to jump in if we can keep that
pay job. Kind of, um, harking back to what Commission
of Bucks Aquish is mentioning now with this simple but
elegant roof line. And to, um, Commissioner McIntosh was asking
about earlier with this El Dorado Stone cladding on the
south end, which is, uh, arguably the most prominent end
of the building. Um. If you look at the proposed
in the existing part of the elegance of the existing
was that this southmost end of the cross, the holding
the crucifix maintained the slope of the building. And if
you look at the image here in the top right,
you can see that that slope continues his trajectory up
to the cross. Um, yet in the proposed, uh, where
kind of abandoning that relationship by raising what looks like
a chimney now, uh, a few feet above the, um,
southernmost call it perpendicular roof edge. And, um, I, I,
I want to say that, you know, what we're looking
at here is an improvement to what's existing. But I
am concerned about that one corner. And it could be,
um, corner meeting that call it chimney element. It could
be a combination of the changed roof line. Um, and
the material, uh, usage. But, um, you know, the very
strong. Material change on the southeast corner where we're infilling
what was kind of a covered outdoor area, um, standing
seam metal element. And it just feels a little, it
feels detached switching to the El Dorado Stone and raising,
um. Raising that roof height. Um, so it's not following
the existing slope of the building anymore. And it seems
like there's opportunity to kind of bring it back while
still improving it. Um, otherwise, uh,
understanding that the slope of the roof is actually not
a ridge, but a valley took some questions away about
the water overflow. Um. But, uh. That's all I got.
I have a comment. I agree with Commissioner Buksek. The
first thing I saw on the additions is that are
not following the architecture. This is a 1968 building by
Richard Harson. It's on the historical survey, but it might
not be destinated. But, uh, the least thing we can
do is just try to be compatible with the architecture.
So I'm not totally in agreement with the entry treatment.
And the north side addition that looks like an addition
with the flat roof higher. Than this elegant sloping roof
going down. And, um, on the west side, the patio
that sticks out, I think it's a good call to
just put the standing seam on top and leave the
roof sloping the way it is. But on the east,
um, that entries, it can be enhanced. And make it
work again to provide the entry for the new, for
the renovated building. Also, I'm happy to see that the
void on the soth side has been enclosed. Because if
you notice, it's been fenced out because I was a
room for homeless people to gather there their night. But
I don't agree on the angle of the standing seam
roof. That it doesn't really need to follow the taper
ends. And I think the proposal of evacia might not
be right because the left side of that void is
actually straight, not in an angle. So if you put
the standing seam panels vertical, it might look better. So
those are the. Three areas that are not comfortable with,
um, for this building. Any other comments?
I have a few comments. Okay. Um, pretending to the
landscape. It's a great plant palette you have here. A
great mixture of, um, a low water used plants. What
I do see missing is some type of ground cover.
That can help you, um, fill in a lot of,
a lot of the landscape as needed. But, um, more
importantly when it comes to the plant layout, I don't
see really a consistency with the new plant arrangement compared
to what's already their existing on the rest of the
parking lot. From the, um, planting design. It seems to
be more before more, um, structured plant layout, more on
center planting. And as you look on the street view
of the rest of the parking lot, it looks more
organic natural arrangement of plant material. So it's going to
be a stark difference between existing and new, uh, new,
uh, the new planting design as you get closer to
the building. And I feel like it would be a
disservice to have a brand new looking building with new
landscape plant material by the building. But as you approach
from the street side into the parking lot, you're going
to have a mixture of old and new plant material.
So it's going to look like two different projects, two
different properties where, where, uh, new plan materials starts at
one point and then ends at the existing, um, parking
lot. I feel like for consistency either new plans should
be installed throughout the parking lot. Not just near the
building. And or match the plant arrangement to either be
formal like you have on the new plant. Layout. Or
to match was existing, which would be more of a
natural organic arrangement of the plant material and not be
on center planting. Just as a comment,
uh, when it comes to the pettylamth as being used,
um, it's a great plant. Um, it will need some
shade. And it seems like in some of the locations
that it's being proposed, um, you would have a chance
of the plant material not making it, especially when it's
getting full sun exposure throughout the day. It would need
constant yearly, um, uh. Yeah, shading and providing replacing the
plan material way too often. Maybe come maintenance problem later
down the road. But, uh, overall, um, I think it's
a good plant palette. It's just might need some rework
to be done to be able to seamlessly work with
the existing landscape and or replace the existing landscape. Thank
you. Comments. I've seen. That. So do we want to
make a motion in some form. I'd like to take
a crack at it. Okay. Um, and yeah, the reason
I want to take a crack at it is, um,
I want to say, you know, I made some general
comments about, about a couple of the parts of the,
of the building, um, and I have ideas about what
you could do on the East End and what you
could do on the north end, but I didn't want
to say it because, you know, you guys are good
designers. And I think you need, you deserve to take
a crack at it and do what you think is,
is right based on the comments you hear. And, you
know, and bring it back. I don't want to have
you guys walk away with a list of, oh, well,
gee, let's lower this and let's, you know, at a
standing seam roof over here and, you know, um, I
don't know what some other comments, um, maybe would be,
Oh, let's, let's make this standing seam straight, not, not
sloped. You know, if you guys have reasons for what
you did, I'm going to say if you have aesthetic
reasons that you feel strongly about, you can push back
and say, you know, and give us design reasons for
why you want to do it this way or that
way. We can have, we can have a design discussion
about it. Um, so I think it'd be good to
give you guys that opportunity to come back based on
what you've heard. And with a modified proposal, um, and
then, and then, you know, defend your design. You might
lose. Um, but, but if you feel strongly about it,
I'll tell you in the past when, when an architect
has, has given me good reasons for why they did
what they did. And I might, I might disagree a
little bit philosophically, but I'm the first one to back
off if, if I think what they're saying has merit.
The public comic has ended. So, uh, as far as
making a motion, um, I'm going to ask staff, how
general can we keep it? I know typically you guys
like, you know, to have some kind of list of
comments that we can hand to an applicant, um, is
that really necessary. So it would be, it's beneficial for
the application to be able to have the information as
far as the, I know different commissioners weighed in. But
yeah, providing information on how giving them just general direction.
So then that way they know what they need to
correct or adjust. So that way they can bring the
item back. Okay. Um, so I would propose to condition
the project with the, with the following comments, um, number
one, um, revisit the East entrance to make it more
cohesive and complementary to the existing building design. To revisit
the North end of the building, um, and parapet design
that's being proposed. To revisit the fin at the south
end that's being proposed to be clad in stone. Um,
and to revisit the standing seam, um, curtain wall product
that's being proposed at the south end and how it
integrates with the, with the existing building. And to, um.
To restudy the landscape plan so that it's a more
cohesive landscape design throughout the entire site, not just around
the building. What did I miss. Anyone want to add
to that? Oh, and to reconsider the specification for the
pedal anthys. And whatever he said.
If you don't afford it's worth, um, cause we went
over. Does that have a common name. Slipper plant. Slipper
plant to revisit the use of the slipper plant. And
I agree with, with your breakdown, by the way, um,
but I just wanted to point out, because we've reviewed
another project before where an applicant was proposing to put
in some plantings, um, on call it the addition on
this building. But the opposite side that was existing to
remain wasn't really kind of following through. It was clearly
a different design. Um. There's clearly more work done in
the landscape plan around the new building that wants existing
around the rest of the parking lot. Um, I would
consider, um, if they wanted to, to, um, make the
rest of the property follow suit to the new design
as an option. Versus telling their landscape architect to change
the design to conform to someone else's design. Right? Exactly.
Okay. Okay. Any more. All right. For the record, Commissioner
Vuxic, was that a condition of approval or are you
motioning to continue? Forgive me. I'm motioning to continue. I
think there's enough here. We, we need to look at
it again. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Should we take a phone?
We need a second. I'll second. You got a second.
Uh, one second. All right. Motion by FUXIC second by
Sanchez Commissioner Voksick. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner McIntosh. Hi.
Commissioner Garcia. Aye. Vicer Gregory? I am. Chair Blakely. Aye.
Motion carry 60. Thank you. And I'm going to ask
the applicant to stick around for one more minute. I
just want to make sure that you guys don't leave
with some confusion about what to do on that landscape.
Cause I'm a little confused. On it. Um, so this
is kind of like after the fact, just, just quick,
quick discussion. Um. Are, are we going to, are we
expecting them to come back and, and, and propose a
new landscape plan for the entire parking lot. And, and
if we are, and you guys can't do that. Then
you need to come back and say, and say, Hey,
you know, Hey guys, we can't do that. Yeah. Yeah.
Hi. Can we get you on a microphone, please? Well,
I'm sorry. I guess it's not. Yeah. We're in a,
we're in a public meeting. So yeah, go ahead and
come over here and just turn it on. Here. All
right. So my name is Oscar Lua. I'm the managing
partner for DIG. And I'm also the general contractor and
Reuben is our designer, uh, but yeah, this property does
have a shared parking with, uh, the enabling properties. So,
um, to mandate to have other property owners who I'm
not familiar with. I know there are other owners that
own this parking lot as reciprocally use. Uh, what takes
some time, uh, to come in and have the landscape
architect, which I'm sure would have to go to just
like it is here. A commission, the voting, uh, what
landscape architect and then what that design would look like
or the entire property rather than the specific property that
is owned by this parcel. Does that pertain to existing
planetary? That's there that you're calling out to replace as
well? Are you going to those same people as you
replace? We would have to. Yes. Uh, again, the partnership
also owns, uh, part of the neighboring parcel. And both
conditions, uh, for the parcel that we own and the
neighboring have reciprocal use agreement. So therefore all costs must
be split, including improvements and maintenance. So the, the, the,
the motions been made and it's been approved. Um, but
you guys can certainly come back and explain, okay, this
is what we would propose. And this is why. I
think what, what brought this common up in the first
place was that you have, I'm just going to say
you have prominent frontage on Fred wearing. Right. And, uh,
your scope of work, your limit of work is at
pretty close to significant intersection. Townsend our way and Fred
Waring. And the proposed landscape design is covering about half
of that frontage. And then there, defined transition from what
is a more, um, call it like a systemic, uh,
aligned force design of rows and patterns that then all
of a sudden, uh, becomes more of a sparse, more
natural flow of plants. So, um, I think what I
was trying to, to at least put out as an
idea is that rather, you don't want to change this
landscape design. It's obvious, right? But you're suggesting also that
it's more complicated to revise the existing parking lot landscading
landscaping. Um, but perhaps there's a way to maybe, massage
the frontage along Fred wearing so that there is a
more of like a uniform look along the street that
then as it goes back towards your building, might change
into this new design that was presented to us. Does
that make sense? Yeah. I mean, that's something I understand.
I understand that. But it's just difficult. I'd have to
understand what the architect means and what that means with
the neighboring owners. It's not one or two owners. There's,
uh, multiple property owners within the condo eyes project next
door. So, um, yeah, I'd have to explore what that
looks like and what that means because I'm sure today
they're not mandating to change it. But, uh, because of
a new building, they're just going to say that's, that's
your problem, right? So that's what I would tell them.
I'm not building a new building. You are. But to
redo the entire parking lot, that'd be, uh, that would
be the case. Yeah. Too much. But even if, if
your landscape architect, you're able to look at the, the
South elevation, Fred wearing drive landscape and was able to
maybe take a page out of the existing landscape's book
and feather that into as your landscape proceeds towards the
building, towards the north, the parking area. That remains as
designed. Am I making sense? It's making sense. I mean,
the easy solution to me to take it all the
way into the entrance all the way there, but that's,
you know, it's something we'd have to look at and
do a study on and see what it is. Because
ultimately we'd have to redesign that, submit that to CVWD
that we have and all that, right? So even if
it's the subtle part right here. Chair, if I may,
we should be cautious of continuing the discussion since the
item has already been a decision has already been made
to continue the item. Um, so this discussion can be
followed up as part of the next, um, design review.
My question, should we make an amendment to what we
just voted on changing what we just talked about. So
as far as the motion, the motion was to continue.
The item with the direction. So with the applicant having
that information that came following after is just the minutes
are just going to look a little different. But yeah,
I think the applicant understands what the commission is looking
for. Just want to make clarify that. Okay. Yeah. It
is John said earlier. You have the right to come
back and defend your position. Right. Yeah. Understand. And I'll
have to have a discussion with my consultants and my
landscape architect. And I know the back of the building,
which is the north end. There's a very specific piece
of equipment that we need to look at. But how
can we aesthetically make it better? Right. We need to
maintain the heights and the clearances, but can it look
better? Yeah. Sure. Let's, let's look at what aesthetically we
can do with para bits. But the height will need
to maintain in order for us to achieve what we're
looking forward, our medical facility. But absolutely more than happy,
uh, to look at any architectural elements that we can
do. Uh, you know, it isn't a parking lot. So
we want to make sure that we're conscious of that
and what, what kind of, uh, costs would go into
that. Right. Making the east entrance simpler. Thank you. It
would cost me less. So, uh, certainly we'll look at
all the elements. We'll certainly regroup with my architectural team
and design team and, uh, come back with something with,
uh, with the comments that we've got from today's meeting.
Great. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. You got it. Okay.
Now we move on. Um, Committee meeting updates. Cultural art
committee. We do have something, um, as I said before,
for some reason, uh, Palm Desert is becoming the art
section of the Coachella Valley. So there is an organization
called Planair. It's a outdoor painting situation, uh, got a
brochure here that got approved. They ask Palm Springs Acom
Springs Life. Where would they like to put this. And
they decided Palm Desert. So Palm Desert is going to
be the location and Palm Springs life is going to
sponsor it. And it's going to be an outdoor event
on El Paso. So we are moving forward as a
city to be the Art of the Valley. That's the
Architect. Before I turn the page. Um, so for staff,
um, we do have a new member of our planning
team, uh, Travis Heaps. He's joining us coming from the
private sector and also with Public Sector experience. Also fellow
Ca Poly Alumni. So we're excited to have him on
board. And so he'll be seeing more of him. Yes.
Okay. Um. Request fraction. Are there any commissioners who like
to propose a future agenda item to be considered by
the Commission. I'll make the one. What about making a
motion or considering, uh, would you do four plants. Yeah.
Um, what was presented to us today could be construed
as like a permit submittal. Um, minus the existing demo
plans and sections and all that stuff. But from an
aesthetic standpoint, it helps us, we have no understanding of
the project at all except for those few pictures of
existing to have a comparison of what's existing and what's
proposed. Yeah. And that's, that's something that we can look
at as far as our checklist. So the checklist is
what's provided online. So that's typically whenever, um, we're giving
guidance to applicants to make sure that they have a
complete application is that they're adhering to our checklist. Um,
for whatever reason, existing elevations and existing floor plans, it's
not, I know it's typically provided, but as far as,
um, it being a hard requirement, we can revisit that
and take a look at our checklist and see if
they need to be updated. Um, also too right now,
we're going through a lot of ADA changes on the
way that we have our handouts. Um, so this is
probably a good time to be able to look at
that and, um, make changes. We can request that. As
a commission. Uh, so it's something that SAF will take
into consideration. And we'll report back as far as if
we're able to make those changes. Yeah. I think it
doesn't have to be demolition because that's getting a construction
documents. It's really just understanding aesthetically what it looked like
before and what it's going to look like after heights,
all those things. Sure. Anybody else. Okay.
With no other questions. I moved to adjourn this meeting
hearing no objections. I declare the meeting adjourned at. 150.
Recording stopped.