[0:00] Commission meeting on August 25th, 2026. To order at 1232.
[0:10] I'm gonna have a roll call, please. Commissioner Garcia. Here.
[0:15] Commissioner McIntosh. Here. Commissioner Sanchez. Pierre. Commissioner Buchsik? Here. Vice
[0:22] Chair Gregory. Here. Chair Blakely. Here. We have a quorum.
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[1:33] a separate meeting. Is there any commissioner who would like
[1:36] to make a motion. Chair, if I may, that's for
[1:44] item 4A, the approval of the minutes for July 28th.
[1:48] And August 11. Mr. Itemprove for The Minutes of July
[1:54] 28th and August 27, okay. Business items. Consideration. We still
[2:00] need a motion in a second. Oh, motion in a
[2:02] second. I motion to approve. Second. Motion by Gregory, second
[2:06] by Vhuksev, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any
[2:11] opposed. Motion carry 60. Thank you guys. Can this is
[2:17] a reaching of a design review for the innovation of
[2:19] an existing building at 72, 700 Fred wearing. Converting the
[2:25] former church building into a medical office building. Can I
[2:29] have a staff report. Yes.
[2:48] Good afternoon, sharing commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an
[2:52] associate planner in the development services department. And today I'll
[2:55] be presenting on permit number DR - 26009. The DIG
[3:02] LLC Medical Center off 72700 Fred wearing drive. The project
[3:12] applicant is Reuben Coronado. The project location is 72700 Fredware
[3:18] in Drive. And the request is the design review approval
[3:21] for a proposed facade modification. To an existing building for
[3:25] DIG LLC Medical Center. Their project includes modification to the
[3:29] architecture, landscape, hardscape, and lighting, and increasing the square footage
[3:34] from 7, 469 square feet to 9, 325 square feet.
[3:44] Years of vicinity mapped show the area of the project
[3:47] site. This is the north side of Fred Waring and
[3:51] it's to the west of Fairhaven Drive. Across from Trader
[3:57] Joe's. Now here we just have the east and west
[4:03] elevations of the proposed project. This is to show the
[4:07] sloping of the roof. As you can see, the highest
[4:09] point is on the south elevation at 28 feet. The
[4:16] northernmost point is at 15 feet height. And here we
[4:26] have the, um, other elevations, the north and south ignore
[4:30] the title, please. Um, here we could see the standing
[4:35] seams as well as the, um, simplification of the North
[4:41] elevation to just double doors. So here we have the
[4:48] existing South elevation. This is the current condition. And then
[4:55] here we have the proposed South elevation. As you can
[4:58] see, um, the existing recession of the existing conditions have
[5:04] been infilled. And that is partially of how the square
[5:08] footage is being added. As well as, um, addition of
[5:12] second story is added as well. So most of the
[5:14] square footage edition is actually just infill of two pop
[5:19] belts, one on the west side and one on the
[5:21] east, as well as infillion entryways on the east elevation.
[5:27] And then as we could see on the south elevation,
[5:29] that infill would be the standing seam. Here we have
[5:36] the existing east elevation. Again, you could see how it
[5:40] is recessed currently with the pop out as well as
[5:44] in the doorways. Then we have the proposed East elevation.
[5:57] And then we have the existing West elevation. Here I
[6:00] included multiple photos, um, to show the existing condition as
[6:05] well as where the mechanical equipment exists currently and where
[6:09] it's going to be proposed as well. It's going to
[6:11] be on the side of the West elevation of the
[6:14] building. And here we have the proposed West Elevation rendering.
[6:25] And then here I included this rendering to show the
[6:29] overall image and also include the roof plan. That just
[6:35] a little bit more clear for presentation purposes just to
[6:38] show that there is no mechanical equipment on the sloped
[6:40] roof. For proposed landscaping, this shows
[6:51] the scope limit as well as some of the plants
[6:54] included in the landscaping, which includes the line of ficus
[6:58] along the west elevation. Which is also included with, there
[7:02] will be a wall as well for screening, but screening
[7:05] the mechanical equipment. As well as inclusion of polo verdes,
[7:11] brittle bush, slipper plants, and other various plants like aloe
[7:16] vero, with, uh, decomposed granite DG. And we have decorative
[7:23] pavers going into the building on the East elevation. Now
[7:31] staff of determined that the findings have been met and
[7:33] recommend the project for approval. If design comments arise during
[7:37] the discussion, staff recommends the ARC outline the request of
[7:40] changes and incorporate the commons as conditions of approval. That
[7:44] concludes my presentation. Thank you. Are there any
[7:54] questions from staff for the commission. There's the applicant have
[8:01] any questions. Thought that was, um. Presentation. Is African.
[8:11] Question. To make sure I understand. I didn't see any
[8:19] demo plans. I want to make sure I understand exactly
[8:23] what I'm looking at. Um. So I understand that the
[8:27] pop - outs on the east and west that are
[8:29] being filled in, I think. Yes. And then on, on
[8:32] the south end, um, I'm looking at, right now I'm
[8:37] looking at A sheet A201. I'm sorry, the north end,
[8:43] the north end. So it's the low end. And the.
[8:50] Um, the thing at the, at the north end that's
[8:54] kind of popping up above the sloped groove. Is that
[8:58] existing or is that, is that been altered by the
[9:02] applicant. Are you describing the kind of column feature that's
[9:08] on the southern elevation that's peeking out on the elevation?
[9:13] No, I'm, I'm referring to the north end of the
[9:15] building at the low, low end of the roof. There's
[9:19] a piece that pops up above the sloped roof. Kind
[9:26] of a boxy. Oh, yes, the paraffin. Yeah. What is
[9:30] that added. Um, based off what I saw that parapet
[9:35] was already existing. You're saying that three feet parapit on
[9:41] the end. How slopes all the way down and then
[9:44] it picks back up at that last. Well, it's flat
[9:49] on the top. The thing I'm looking at, I'm looking
[9:51] at the west exterior elevation on sheet eight, 201. And
[9:55] I'm looking at the right end of it. Okay. Yes.
[10:05] And what you're describing is that end the northernmost piece
[10:09] that has the three foot parapit. I guess it's a
[10:13] three foot pair pit. Okay. Yes. Kind of jogs up.
[10:19] Yeah. Bottom left corner. Okay. Okay. You can look at
[10:23] the bottom left or the upper right. Yeah. It's the
[10:26] same form. And is that existing. The parapet now. Yeah.
[10:32] Okay. We'll leave that one for the apple. Yeah. Okay.
[10:36] Based off of existing conditions from the aerial you could
[10:39] see a little bit of change, but he'll describe more
[10:42] about the paradigm. We'll leave that for the applicant. Another
[10:50] questions. Okay. I have a question. This being check against
[10:55] historical preservation ordinance.
[11:06] Let me get back to you on that one. I
[11:12] have a question. Uh, so this whole package is all
[11:16] proposed changes. There is nothing in here indicating existing conditions.
[11:22] Is that correct? Let's. See. You're saying showing. Well, so
[11:29] the point of us even talking about this project is
[11:33] that they're proposing significantly altering an existing building. And all
[11:40] that we see in this package front of us and
[11:45] from the presentation. That evokes anything existing or at the
[11:49] photographs, but we can't see like an existing demo and
[11:54] proposed plan compare that to a floor plan or a
[11:58] site plan. So it's hard for us unless we hear
[12:02] it from you as far as infilling to get that
[12:04] square footage. We can't really see it. I understand what
[12:09] you're saying. We have included the, uh, yeah, the floor
[12:14] plan is included, but the demo plan is not included.
[12:22] Sheriff, I may. I know, um, as far as what's
[12:26] typically shown, what we have as far as our design
[12:29] review checklist, it doesn't include, um, what's existing. It just
[12:34] includes what's being proposed. I know it's typical that we
[12:36] do receive it. Um, but however, it's not, it's something
[12:41] that we can make a modification to if that's something
[12:44] that the architecture, review commission is concerned about. But as
[12:48] far as our checklist, the way that it's set up,
[12:50] it doesn't have what the existing designs are. As part
[12:54] of the required checklist. Can we make a motion on
[13:01] that that we'd like to see that? Or how does
[13:02] that work. It would be a separate item. On the
[13:09] motion you mean? Not for this motion, but for, um,
[13:13] follow - up discussion. Okay. Thank you. From the pictures,
[13:19] the existing building, the north end of the building has
[13:26] Commissioner Buksey pointed. It seems to be following the slope
[13:30] of the build. But we'll need clarification. Off if that's
[13:37] a new. Parpet flat roof on the back. Or you're
[13:42] just in closing the opening. So it's not clear. And
[13:51] that's something we'll have the applicant clarify. Any more questions.
[14:01] At this time I'll open the public period. I invite
[14:05] the applicant providing additional information. That they can.
[14:20] State your name. Cornado. Nice to see everyone. So, uh,
[14:26] to talk about the back area there on the south
[14:30] side. So what we had to do is we had
[14:33] to raise the ceiling. Because we had to create the
[14:36] MR shielding for the, for the, uh, MRI machine. So
[14:41] that there was an existing parapet, but we did have
[14:44] to raise the parapet because I had to raise the
[14:46] roof structure. To accommodate for the MR shielding. So yes,
[14:52] there already was an existing parapet, but we had to
[14:54] increase it a little bit because I had to increase
[14:56] the, uh, the roof height in that area. So it
[15:03] was raised a little bit here to accommodate that. Thank
[15:08] you. Anything else you want to explain that she did
[15:12] a good job? Yeah. So in regards to the floor
[15:16] plan essentially, I hadn't changed the footprint of the building.
[15:20] The footprint of the building literally remains the same. It's
[15:24] just the open patios that are in the building have
[15:27] just literally been enclosed in that area. So if you
[15:30] take a look at A dash 100. 1. Uh, on
[15:38] the bottom side there where you see the elevation, we
[15:42] pretty much just enclosed that area. Cause right now that
[15:44] interior area is just a open area. That transients pretty
[15:48] much hang out in that area right now. So we
[15:50] closed that out. On the west side, Office 101, that
[15:57] structure remains the same. We're essentially just infilling the exterior
[16:01] wall. On the west side. And that area pretty much
[16:06] stayed exactly the same. And we're adding a standing seam
[16:09] one inch batten seam roof to that area. On the
[16:12] east side, I will be removing that, that arched opening.
[16:18] And this will be a new, uh, extrusion build out
[16:21] here. But the footprint remain the same. And I just
[16:24] squared it off so that I can have more room
[16:26] inside for the lobby area. Uh, everything else that you
[16:30] see on here is existing exterior structure. If you go
[16:36] to sheet A dash 100. 2. And the hallway 133.
[16:44] Essentially that area back to those walls that you see
[16:47] to the, to the left is all open patio. You
[16:50] can see I essentially closed off that exterior wall. And
[16:54] that's, and that's how we pretty much were able to
[16:56] gain the additional square footage to create a hallway for
[16:59] all of the new imaging and office areas. So that's
[17:05] essentially what we did to close off the area. There
[17:07] was no square footage edition other than the footprint that
[17:10] was already remaining. Also the architectural features of the building
[17:15] all remain the same. I'm not changing any of the
[17:17] exterior structure of the building at all. Other than that
[17:21] back South area where we're raising the ceiling to create
[17:24] that parapet to raise it for the CT scan. If
[17:29] you go to sheet A dash 100. 3. Uh, we've
[17:33] created a mezzanine, a storage mezzanine on the second floor
[17:40] for their, uh, secured, uh, expensive medical, you know, whatever
[17:45] they have up there. Uh, so that's what we've did
[17:48] on the second floor. But all encapsulated within the existing
[17:51] structure of the building. Because this was a church that
[17:54] area was raised and we had substantial space to add
[17:56] that square footage. A 110, that's just the window. Windows,
[18:06] I mean, the door schedule. A101 is the exterior window
[18:10] schedule. Uh, A130 is the roof plan. And you can
[18:14] see the modifications that we made to the roof on
[18:17] the, on the south side here. We've, you know, included
[18:21] that, you know, included the raised pair of pits here.
[18:25] We're going to have a fiber type roof and the
[18:28] sloping is going to go to an existing drainage that
[18:31] was already in place in those locations. Uh, on the
[18:35] west side here, or the east side, we have the
[18:39] build out that I was talking about with the roof.
[18:41] That's also going to be a fiber type roof system.
[18:44] And I've added a drain system there as well for
[18:46] it to drain off of that roof. And essentially the
[18:49] roof will drain as it originally drained from the previous,
[18:54] uh, build out. Um. These are the exterior elevations. Um,
[19:01] I do have existing elevations that I can present if
[19:05] you guys need to see them. That's not a problem.
[19:08] They've already been created. But essentially you're essentially going to
[19:12] see the same exact view because there's really no architectural
[19:16] portions that I'm actually modifying other than accentuating the removing
[19:20] the cross and putting the stone veneer at the front
[19:24] entrance on the north side. And then raising the parapet
[19:28] there for the MRI room. Other than that, and on
[19:33] A10, you'll see on A201. That's the new, uh, pop
[19:39] out here that we did for the front entranceway. And
[19:44] you can see these in the color renderings where the
[19:47] openings there. I've enclosed it. Remove the cross. We're going
[19:51] to be putting the stone. On the existing on A202.
[19:57] That will be removed. And then new facade will be
[20:00] put on the new entrance way. On the. East side
[20:08] here. You can see this all essentially remains the same
[20:11] other than in closing. You can't see it because the
[20:14] tree's in the way. But essentially it's the same thing.
[20:16] This, the area on, uh, A203 on the upper right
[20:20] - hand corner. Looks exactly the same as A202 on
[20:25] the lower right - hand corner. Those two openings are
[20:30] essentially exactly the same. We're just in closing it here
[20:34] on the other one because we're able to make those
[20:36] offices work within the existing space. A - 204 is
[20:42] just the color. Pretty much the exterior colors. We're going
[20:47] to match the adjacent buildings because the doctors own. That
[20:50] was Jason buildings there. So it's just going to be
[20:53] a smooth plaster. A smooth white plaster. Um, we have
[20:57] reglets. Those one inch reglets that we're going to incorporate
[21:00] here to try to give it a little bit more
[21:02] pop. And we have the stone. On the north side.
[21:07] And then we're going to be having the staggered. We're
[21:11] going to be having the, you know, standing seam on
[21:13] the pop out on the roof. And for the vertical
[21:17] features, it's going to be a vertical panel staggered seam.
[21:21] It's more of like an inverted standing seam system. And
[21:24] you can see a little bit more of that. If
[21:26] you take a look on A205 on the upper right
[21:30] - hand corner, it kind of gave you a picture
[21:33] of kind of what that will look like. The lower
[21:36] area on H - 205, that's the standing seam. That
[21:41] will be sitting on the adjacent roof on the east
[21:44] side. I'm proposing at this point that it's a matte
[21:48] black. And then for a little bit more detail on
[21:55] the sections on A300, you can essentially see kind of
[21:59] here what I'm doing. Especially on the south side that
[22:01] you guys talked about raising this area. This is essentially
[22:05] the, you know, a section cut through that area to
[22:08] kind of show what's going on. Also you can see
[22:11] on F10, on A300. The section cut here through the
[22:17] new entryway. And what the difference correlation would be on
[22:22] the east side versus the west side there for the
[22:25] leaving the existing area filled in with the standing seam
[22:28] and the new entrance build out. Uh, A301 provides a
[22:36] little bit more detailed information in regards. I have a
[22:41] question. I don't know if I'm going too much on
[22:43] this, but no question. Yeah. Keep continue. Okay. Yeah. A301,
[22:48] that's just a little, uh, better cross section of that
[22:50] existing condition and how we're infilling that new wall area.
[23:00] And that's essentially it for the architectural. If you guys
[23:03] have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
[23:05] Okay. Thank you. Um, is there any member of the
[23:09] public who would like to comment on this item? Please
[23:11] raise your hand to speak. If you are joining the
[23:13] meeting by telephone, please press star nine to raise your
[23:17] hand to speak. None. Okay. Now we can ask questions
[23:23] at the applicant. Okay for she 300, A300 on your
[23:31] sections. Why is some of the lines are dashed and
[23:35] some are. Solid doesn't mean. Oh. Those are just gas.
[23:47] Sorry. Uh, yeah, those are areas are just dashed because
[23:51] I caught a cross section through them and it just
[23:52] kind of indicating of cutting through the wall in that
[23:55] area. It's not demolition. No, this is everything that you
[24:01] see on these plans is all new construction. Essentially for
[24:05] the demolition, the interior, we've already gutted the entire inside
[24:10] of the existing building here now. So, and we already
[24:13] got demolition permit and all that's already been completed. And
[24:17] all abatements all been done already as well. But we've
[24:20] essentially gutted the entire inside of this. The new construction
[24:23] would just be infilling the patio portions. And going on
[24:28] the inside from there. Uh, I got a question for
[24:36] you. On your sheet A204. It says
[24:45] East elevation. I think it's supposed to be west, right?
[24:53] Is this the only place where you're calling out the
[24:55] MS2, which is the standing seam metal roof. Correct. Microphone.
[25:05] Should I just leave it on? Still breathe heavy. So
[25:11] yeah, the MS2 is only going to be on that
[25:14] on the, uh, west side, correct? So is it more
[25:18] of a fascia detail than an actual roof? I mean,
[25:21] are we seeing the, just a standing sea metal roof
[25:23] that I'm going to add to that right now. It
[25:25] just has a plaster finish on top of it. I'm
[25:28] going to, I'm going to add the standing seam to
[25:30] help bring in more of the standing seam elements around
[25:34] the building to help tie it together. But do you
[25:37] really, you don't really see it, right? I mean, if
[25:39] you go up to A203, you've got a nice perspective.
[25:44] Kind of coming from the southwest that looks at it,
[25:47] right? Yes. So yeah, that's pretty much what you'll see.
[25:51] Obviously we'll be cleaning up some of the landscaping there
[25:53] so you can hopefully see the building a little bit
[25:54] better. But yes, that tree is to remain in that
[25:57] area. The tree. You're the palm? Well, the tree there
[26:01] and there's palms in front of it. Okay. Well, I
[26:04] was just thinking that, you know, you're not really seeing
[26:06] too much of your standing sea metal roof, right? It's
[26:09] more of a fascia detail. Facial. It's just the roof
[26:15] system that we're going to be putting on there to
[26:16] help alleviating type of leaks that would also be going
[26:19] on top of that roof as well. I think it'll
[26:21] help. Cause right now it's just an open, it's just
[26:24] an open area. What's probably leaks like crazy. So I
[26:27] introduce a standing scene to help mitigate any leakage in
[26:30] that area and kind of make sure that we're sealing
[26:32] it off correctly. Right. But was that an Architectural decision?
[26:37] I mean, I'm just wondering, cause you don't really see
[26:38] it. Right. I mean, it's kind of a flat slope.
[26:41] Yes. It was an architectural decision. Like I said to
[26:45] make sure that we handle any water leaks or water
[26:49] mitigation into that new area. So are you rolling those
[26:52] ribs down on that fascia detail? Is that what really
[26:55] makes it look? If you take a look at A301.
[27:06] If you go to A301, it's pretty much a detailed
[27:10] description here of what we're looking to do. So if
[27:12] you look at A7, A301, that's how we're going to
[27:16] be finishing up regarding the slanted area to help make
[27:19] sure that they're on getting any waters through that, through
[27:21] that cracked area there. We also have the Eve and
[27:24] then we also have the general wheat screen detail at
[27:27] the bottom. A11. So, so it really doesn't wrap down
[27:36] into a fascia detail at all, right? Correct. It's just
[27:39] the standing seam on top of the roof. The face
[27:41] of that would be plastered to match the rest of
[27:43] the exterior of the building. Right. Yeah. It's just so
[27:47] flat. It's too bad we're going to miss out on
[27:49] a good visual on it. Maybe we cut down the
[27:52] tree there. Yeah. By the way, before I, I don't
[27:56] want to sound just critical all the time. Nice set
[27:58] of drawings by the way. I appreciate that. Thank you.
[28:01] Um, I noticed on your roof plan. So it looks
[28:05] like we're going to keep all the mechanical equipment on
[28:08] the weth side of the building. Yes, sir. Nothing's going
[28:11] on the roof. Yes, exactly correct. Yes, sir. Okay. Is
[28:14] that Ruf Hatch existing up there? That's a new roof
[28:17] hatch that I do need to create to make sure
[28:19] that we can get on because the knot currently one
[28:21] there now. Why do you need one? If the guy
[28:25] put a roof hatch on it and get on the
[28:26] roof versus somebody stacking a ladder up on the side,
[28:29] it's a little more little safer. But if we need
[28:31] to remove it, I have no, you don't need to
[28:33] remove it. I'm just hoping you're not going to put
[28:35] any equipment up there. Zero equipment's going on there. As
[28:38] you can see, if you take a look at the
[28:39] site plan G010, pretty much the second sheet. Okay. Pretty
[28:47] much all of the equipment is going out there. We
[28:50] have nothing on the roof. Just when we see roof
[28:52] hatches typically, we see equipment. It's just pretty much to
[28:56] get access in case anything gets up on the roof
[28:58] where roof trains need to be re cleaned or anything
[29:01] like that. And some are safe for somebody to get
[29:03] up onto the roof and do whatever they need to
[29:05] do. Good. Okay. Um, one, I think important architectural question
[29:11] I have. You've got that nice vertical. Mass. That currently
[29:18] has the crucifix on it. And you're going to collat
[29:20] it in this. Eldorado stone. Correct. You got really two
[29:26] really nice outside edges outside corners. Right. Have you been
[29:32] successful in bringing those veneers together in an outside corner?
[29:38] Thousand percent we have. Yes. We're going to, I'm going
[29:40] to miter those. I want to, I like to miter
[29:42] those corners. Okay. Plus they also plus if we can't
[29:50] miter it. They also have corner pieces that you can
[29:52] install in the corner of those areas as well. Yeah.
[29:55] Yeah. Okay. I just think that would be really important
[29:58] to pay attention to that detail. I mean, that's going
[30:01] to be really sticking out. Stone's going to get your
[30:03] attention. I've seen unfortunate applications where people didn't pay attention
[30:08] to that detail. And it just kind of kills the
[30:10] whole thing. Whereas with yours, um, I'm glad to hear
[30:15] you guys are thinking about that and making sure, cause
[30:19] I didn't quite, I didn't see a detail in the
[30:21] set about mydering or anything like that. Yep. I don't
[30:25] have that on here, mydering, but I'm here with the
[30:28] contractor here as well. And, you know, we work together
[30:31] on these things. So it's a, it's a kind of
[30:34] a design build type thing. So we make sure that
[30:36] we look at those type of things and make sure
[30:38] it looks nice. I want that to look nice. So
[30:42] for sure I'm going to make sure that that's going
[30:43] to look good at the end of the day. Yeah.
[30:45] No, like I said, you did a great job here.
[30:47] Great set of drawings. And I think you did great
[30:50] with the building form. Kind of keeping true to form
[30:53] what was there and sort of modernizing it. But, um,
[30:58] yeah, if we could just make sure that those details,
[31:02] you know, are included in the approval. That'd be really
[31:06] important. Sure. That was it for my comments. I got
[31:11] one second. Are we still at questions to the applicant?
[31:18] Yes. Okay. That should have been questions, not comment. Um,
[31:26] looking at your roof plan A130, you're identifying a scupper
[31:32] at the north end of the, called the major slope
[31:36] right when it hits the new parapet of your, um.
[31:40] Your scanner room. What shooting? A130, your roof plan.
[31:51] So. I'm just curious. The main existing roof has a
[31:56] pretty significant slope, right? Correct. And but there is still
[31:59] a ridge going down the middle of it. Correct. So
[32:02] water is probably going to be shedding off the roof
[32:04] on each side before it even gets down to the
[32:07] bottom where you have this new parapet. North end of
[32:10] the building. Um. Even with the scupper there, um, do
[32:18] you have a section that goes right through the middle
[32:19] of that. I'm just, I'm wondering. Even if it's necessary,
[32:28] um, to have a scupper there. And that if you
[32:33] did run. Oh, you mean in the middle where it
[32:35] transitions to the other side? Yeah. Straddling your ridge line
[32:38] going through the parapet. Yeah. I've also talked to Al
[32:41] Miller about this as well. I've talked to the roofers
[32:44] here as well. We're probably going to open that up
[32:47] even more because he's saying it's just better for it
[32:49] to sheet flow into that area. Essentially, that's what it's
[32:51] doing now. So yes, there won't, there won't be a
[32:55] scupper there. We're going to just open that up. And
[32:57] it's just going to sheet flow into that area. But
[33:01] then those two little scuppers on the northwest corner and
[33:04] the northeast corner would be sufficient for any of that
[33:07] runoff. That's exactly what is doing now. That's exactly how
[33:13] the runoff is happening at this current stage now. Do
[33:17] you know what the existing slope is on that main
[33:19] roof. I do not, I'd have to go back to
[33:24] my plans and get that actual existing slow. There wasn't
[33:28] a lot of as build information to go off for
[33:32] this project since it was back in the 50s or
[33:34] something, I think when this thing was. Yeah. And if
[33:37] it's just going to follow that kind of gentle ever
[33:41] increasing slope from the south end and the north end,
[33:44] it then has a cross slope, which would take any
[33:46] of that runoff over the edges. Okay. Thank you. Question.
[33:55] Oh, so. Your elevations are labeled. Wrong, right? The east
[34:03] means the west, the north, missed out. And so forth.
[34:07] Uh, no, the north means the north. The south means
[34:10] the south. East in the west. I thought I had
[34:18] that correctly there, but I guess what's your question on
[34:21] in regards to that other one? Um, the new roof
[34:25] over by the, uh, what it's going to be the
[34:27] lobby, the entry. Yes. Right now is this loping roof
[34:32] and you are putting a standing same fascia flat roof.
[34:43] Because without the existing conditions of demolition planner or existing
[34:48] section. Can't tell if the proposed rule for your on
[34:53] the east. It's neo - war existent. So if you
[34:56] go to A300, right. And go to F10, the middle
[35:04] one and the. Left - hand side, that is the
[35:08] existing roof slope as it stands now. All I've done
[35:13] is enclose the exterior wall and add it standing seam
[35:17] to that portion. When you go to the right -
[35:20] hand side, I have demolished that existing entranceway. And now
[35:24] I'm creating this new, the new pop - out entranceway
[35:29] here. You can see with parapets and as drains, where
[35:33] everything to drain properly as well. Um, so that's essentially,
[35:39] did I answer your question? Right. It's the existing entries
[35:44] being demolished. And you put in a new roof for
[35:48] the answer. Correct. But on this section cut, essentially the
[35:54] existing section cut would just essentially look exactly like the
[35:59] left - hand side. On the right - hand side
[36:02] being removed.
[36:14] I have one more question. And looking at L. Preliminary
[36:19] Landscape Plan. Is the main entrance to the building going
[36:24] to be the bottom right kind of cross. Which kind
[36:29] of has an E dot T just below it. Is
[36:32] that the main entrance to the building. Yeah. E. T.,
[36:37] yes. That door right there is the new, is the
[36:38] main entrance to the building, correct? Golding into the lobby.
[36:43] And then above that where there is additional paver. To
[36:48] the left of Mediterranean fan palm, um, that basically looks
[36:52] like patio right off of a long hallway. Correct. Okay.
[36:57] And that hallway is not for, uh, patients to go
[37:01] through. That's more of an exit. It's, it's for both.
[37:05] Right. So they'll come into the lobby. And either they'll
[37:08] meet in the exam rooms adjacent to the lobby. And
[37:13] you meet with the doctor. Or they'll be pre -
[37:16] scheduled to already have, uh, imaging session where they go
[37:20] into the area, going to the dress and rooms. And
[37:24] then from there, they would be going through those corridors
[37:26] to get to the MRI or the CT scan. Or
[37:29] whatever treatment that they would be going to do. So
[37:32] yes, it's an exit corridor as well. Plus it's plus
[37:36] the doctors also like to have an entrance other than
[37:39] the front entrance as well. They usually like to enter
[37:41] the building. Uh, but essentially none of the clients that
[37:46] would be going there would be using these doors. They
[37:49] would be coming in and out to front entrance. Uh,
[37:51] the other doors are primarily for employees, but the hallway
[37:54] will be used by both clients and the employees and
[37:59] doctors. I have a question. On L2
[38:09] landscape imagery. You have three types of, um, ground material,
[38:14] rock material. Decouples granite, fresh rock, three quarter cross rock.
[38:19] And a boulders. But on the planting plan, I don't
[38:22] really see how that's late being laid out is that
[38:27] just missing from the plan or do I have outdated
[38:29] plans. What's. So I do have my landscape architect on
[38:36] the call here. Maybe it's better that he responds to
[38:38] those. Okay. Um.
[38:51] My name is Alex Kazukis. I'm the landscape architect. And
[38:56] actually, thanks for pointing that out. We're, we're not going
[39:00] to have the crushed rock proposed on the project anymore.
[39:07] So we'll remove, we would remove that. So it's just
[39:10] going to be DG and the boulders, right? I'm sorry.
[39:19] Um, yes, it's just going to be DG. Okay. Thank
[39:24] you. Another question I had was, um, the rest of
[39:28] the parking lot is part of this property. Right? We
[39:31] just, uh, updating planting as needed, uh, specify on your
[39:35] plans. Sorry. What was the question.
[39:45] So on L1, I have callouts for existing plan mature
[39:50] to remain dead or dying plants to be replaced as
[39:53] needed. I'm assuming that the rest of the parking lot
[39:56] is still part of this, um, project. Right. Um, it's
[40:03] not part of the landscape project, but, um, I guess
[40:09] it's, it might be a part of, uh, the Reuben's
[40:12] parking and all that. I guess I can feel this.
[40:17] Yeah. So, um, yeah, the existing parking area that's there
[40:21] is to remain as, however, it was other than trying
[40:24] to clean it up here at this point. But it
[40:26] is part of the property? It is part of their
[40:28] property, correct? Okay. Thank you. Off you off that. If
[40:34] the existing planting is to remain is the new planting,
[40:40] uh, reflecting or kind of caring consistent specimens and ground
[40:46] cover. For example, if we're calling out for new California
[40:50] Gold DG, um, is that existing already, uh, in these
[40:54] medians, uh, do we have existing. Chilean mesquites or blue
[41:03] Palo Verde. In these medians? Like, are we being consistent.
[41:10] If we're leaving the existing as it is. Yeah. That
[41:13] was the intent to stay consistent. It's currently, um, drought
[41:20] tolerant, um, sparse planting. And we're going to be sticking
[41:24] with that theme. And we're, we're, um, sharing a lot
[41:27] of the same, uh, trees that are existing. We're, we're,
[41:32] uh, implementing them in the new plans as well.
[41:54] Any more comments, questions. Questions. Um, I have, uh, I
[42:01] have a question. I'm going to go back to the,
[42:03] to the roof, the long existing roof. Um. Just cause
[42:10] I'm a little, little confused about what's happening there. I've
[42:14] never, I've never seen anything like that. Where you have
[42:17] a roof, you know, that's a hundred feet long or
[42:19] something. It's all sloping from the high point to the
[42:23] low point. Looking for the roof plan now. Except there's
[42:27] a ridge in the middle of it that doesn't seem
[42:29] to have. A purpose. I'm looking at the big arrows
[42:33] that are pointing north. They're going to the low point
[42:37] of the roof. And is that, is there really a
[42:42] ridge there? There is. Okay. So is it causing the
[42:45] water to actually like shed off and go down the
[42:49] sides of the building instead of just run down to
[42:52] the bottom? The roof is actually kind of like a
[42:54] V. So this roof is in caving like this. Oh,
[43:00] so, so it's a low in the, it's not a
[43:02] ridge. It's a valid. It's a valley. It's low in
[43:06] the middle. That's better. So the water is coming and
[43:09] that's why it's shooting right down the middle of this
[43:11] thing. And you can tell when you go inside the
[43:13] building, you can see the trusses are inverted. In creating
[43:18] that valley. So yeah, the ridgeline. It is, it is
[43:21] depressed. Okay. So that's what's creating that valley for the
[43:26] water to sheet flow into the lower area. That's much,
[43:28] much better. Now that scupper makes sense. Yes. Much, much
[43:31] better. Okay. Sorry for that. I mislabeled that. No, no
[43:36] worries. Um, and did you say that that roof is
[43:41] covered with fiber type. The existing roof right now that
[43:45] sits there right now as a built up roof system.
[43:48] Right. And, and the main component of it, it's relatively
[43:50] in good shape. And to save costs for the owner,
[43:54] we tried to keep it in place. It was just
[43:56] the areas that were remodifying that I am putting a
[44:00] fiber type roof on the back end here to make
[44:02] sure everything drains properly. Also on the new area and
[44:06] then standing seam on the, on the, uh, other pop
[44:10] out there on the right left hand side. Okay. So
[44:14] that, that big roof, existing roof in the middle, that's
[44:17] going to remain a built up root. Okay. Okay. I
[44:24] don't have any other questions. Right. Anybody else any questions
[44:29] or we. Ve got it. Chair, if I may, um,
[44:33] I know the question was asked as far as the
[44:36] historic, if they had it been evaluated. So this site
[44:40] previously went through a change of zones. So it was
[44:43] previously designated differently. And then the zone was changed. Um,
[44:48] as far as the date and the age of the
[44:50] building, it does fall within the criteria of possibly being
[44:54] historic. But as far as any type of designations, it's
[44:58] not a part of any designation. So, um, for the
[45:01] certificate of appropriateness would be the vehicle for us to
[45:05] evaluate that. If it was designated as a historic resource,
[45:10] since it's not designated, then we don't have, um, the
[45:14] direction that we've been given from counsel is to, um,
[45:18] give the property owners the ability to make modifications to
[45:22] their buildings. So that's the direction that we've been given.
[45:26] It is listed on the recent survey for Circle potentially
[45:31] historical. So our survey is, we do have a survey
[45:35] and it is on that list. However, that list is
[45:38] not a certified list. So if it was certified, then
[45:42] if they would be required to go through that certificate
[45:45] of appropriateness process for the historic preservation aspect of it.
[45:50] But since it's not, it's not designated and it's not
[45:54] recognized certified lists by the city. Then it does not
[45:58] have to go through that process. We're good to go,
[46:01] as they say. Correct. Okay. That was the question. All
[46:06] right. No other questions than, uh, should we, uh, make
[46:12] a motion or see what we can do with this
[46:14] project. Or do you have discussion. I've discussed. Okay. Let's
[46:18] do discussion. All right. Um, yeah, I guess I'll go
[46:25] ahead and start it off. Um, so. Yeah, I, I,
[46:30] uh, first of all, I agree. It's really nice set
[46:33] of plans. Um, you guys do good work. Um, but
[46:37] I have to, I have to critique some of the
[46:40] design that I'm looking at here. Um, you know, and,
[46:45] and regardless of the building being historic or not, I
[46:49] didn't even cross my mind. It's a, it's a very
[46:54] elegant design. It's, it's a really interesting unique striking design
[47:01] because it's such a simple form. Um, and the, the
[47:07] pieces that are coming off to the east and west
[47:10] that we've been talking about, um, you know, they're also
[47:14] simple and have an elegance to them. Um, I think
[47:19] the one on the west that's being filled in with
[47:22] the standing seam roof on top. I think that's fine.
[47:25] It's very simple. Um, I think you will, you will
[47:28] see the standing seam. I think, you know, it's surprising
[47:32] when something has an angle to it how you might
[47:34] think you're not going to see it, but yeah, you
[47:36] end up seeing it. Um, the, the appendage on the
[47:41] east side, that's your new entrance. Um, I was having
[47:46] a hard time kind of figuring that out because in
[47:49] the, in the 3D images, it keeps getting covered up
[47:52] with trees. I can't see it in the 3D images.
[47:56] Um, so I have to rely on the elevations. And
[48:00] I can see the existing form. I'm looking at sheet
[48:04] 8202. And in the bottom right I see what's their
[48:08] existing. And I'm sure it's, you know, it's in bad
[48:13] shape and whatnot. Um, but from a design standpoint, I
[48:17] see an elegance that I really like. I think that
[48:21] new entrance that you're proposing looks like it belongs on
[48:25] a different building, not this one. Um, I think you
[48:29] could make an entrance that is at least inspired by
[48:34] what's, what's their currently. And, you know, keep it simple.
[48:38] It doesn't have to cost a lot or, or be
[48:41] something crazy, but just something simple and elegant, like, like
[48:46] the building. And that looks like a part of the
[48:49] building. Um. And then in the back. That piece I
[48:58] asked about, um, in the beginning, cause I wasn't sure
[49:01] if that was an addition or not, um, sort of
[49:04] the same thing. You know, the existing building just has
[49:07] this roof that slopes from, it's high on the south
[49:11] then and it slopes down to the north end really
[49:14] strong, simple form. And what you're proposing there looks like
[49:22] in addition. Um, that doesn't really. Compliment the building very
[49:30] well. Um, I think that whatever you do on the,
[49:35] on that north end needs to have a little more
[49:39] elegance to it to tie into that strong form that
[49:42] you're working with. You have a really. I think good
[49:45] opportunity here. I liked when I, when I first looked
[49:47] at this, before I really started studying the pieces and
[49:51] I was looking at sheet 8202 and I looked at
[49:53] proposed and I looked at the existing up at the
[49:56] top of that sheet, I don't know if you can
[49:57] put it up on the screen or not, Peyton.
[50:18] Give me one moment. Okay.
[50:37] Sheet A202. Oh, okay. Let's see. Oh. Let me, okay.
[50:48] My apologies and share the wrong screen. You were saying
[50:53] the proposed elevation screen? Yeah. If you just go to
[50:57] 8202. Right now I just, it would
[51:07] take me a little bit longer to pull up the
[51:09] project exhibits. I could pull up what I had on
[51:11] that presentation. Okay. Do you have a sheet that shows
[51:16] the existing and proposed.
[51:29] All right. It looks like it's, it's broken up. Maybe.
[51:34] I have it broken up here. All right. Let's give
[51:40] me a moment. I could pull up the plans, but
[51:42] for now I just have the, that's all right. Okay.
[51:45] I don't want everyone to just have to sit here
[51:47] too long. Um, but in, and everyone can see their
[51:51] own sheet 8202. Um, I looked at it, I looked
[51:55] at that and went, wow, this is really cool. You
[51:57] know, I like, I like basically what you guys are
[52:00] doing. I think it's great. Um, and, and, uh, you're
[52:04] taking, uh, special building, um, you're refreshing it. Um, so
[52:10] I'm really, really excited about that. Um, it's just when,
[52:14] when you start looking at some of the pieces, it's
[52:16] like, Oh man, you know, and this is like our,
[52:19] our one chance at this, once this is built, it's
[52:22] going to look like that for 50 years. So, um,
[52:26] I want to make sure that, you know, everyone's happy
[52:29] and excited about it in the end. So that's why
[52:33] I made those comments I made about those different appendages.
[52:37] Um. And there are some details. But those are, I
[52:43] think I'm going to stick with the broad brush important
[52:45] one. I think are important things. And I've mentioned them.
[52:54] I'd like to jump in if we can keep that
[52:56] pay job. Kind of, um, harking back to what Commission
[53:01] of Bucks Aquish is mentioning now with this simple but
[53:04] elegant roof line. And to, um, Commissioner McIntosh was asking
[53:09] about earlier with this El Dorado Stone cladding on the
[53:12] south end, which is, uh, arguably the most prominent end
[53:17] of the building. Um. If you look at the proposed
[53:23] in the existing part of the elegance of the existing
[53:26] was that this southmost end of the cross, the holding
[53:30] the crucifix maintained the slope of the building. And if
[53:34] you look at the image here in the top right,
[53:36] you can see that that slope continues his trajectory up
[53:38] to the cross. Um, yet in the proposed, uh, where
[53:44] kind of abandoning that relationship by raising what looks like
[53:48] a chimney now, uh, a few feet above the, um,
[53:51] southernmost call it perpendicular roof edge. And, um, I, I,
[53:59] I want to say that, you know, what we're looking
[54:02] at here is an improvement to what's existing. But I
[54:05] am concerned about that one corner. And it could be,
[54:09] um, corner meeting that call it chimney element. It could
[54:13] be a combination of the changed roof line. Um, and
[54:17] the material, uh, usage. But, um, you know, the very
[54:21] strong. Material change on the southeast corner where we're infilling
[54:29] what was kind of a covered outdoor area, um, standing
[54:35] seam metal element. And it just feels a little, it
[54:40] feels detached switching to the El Dorado Stone and raising,
[54:44] um. Raising that roof height. Um, so it's not following
[54:49] the existing slope of the building anymore. And it seems
[54:54] like there's opportunity to kind of bring it back while
[54:58] still improving it. Um, otherwise, uh,
[55:08] understanding that the slope of the roof is actually not
[55:11] a ridge, but a valley took some questions away about
[55:13] the water overflow. Um. But, uh. That's all I got.
[55:22] I have a comment. I agree with Commissioner Buksek. The
[55:29] first thing I saw on the additions is that are
[55:34] not following the architecture. This is a 1968 building by
[55:39] Richard Harson. It's on the historical survey, but it might
[55:44] not be destinated. But, uh, the least thing we can
[55:48] do is just try to be compatible with the architecture.
[55:53] So I'm not totally in agreement with the entry treatment.
[55:57] And the north side addition that looks like an addition
[56:01] with the flat roof higher. Than this elegant sloping roof
[56:05] going down. And, um, on the west side, the patio
[56:12] that sticks out, I think it's a good call to
[56:17] just put the standing seam on top and leave the
[56:21] roof sloping the way it is. But on the east,
[56:26] um, that entries, it can be enhanced. And make it
[56:31] work again to provide the entry for the new, for
[56:34] the renovated building. Also, I'm happy to see that the
[56:41] void on the soth side has been enclosed. Because if
[56:45] you notice, it's been fenced out because I was a
[56:49] room for homeless people to gather there their night. But
[56:54] I don't agree on the angle of the standing seam
[56:58] roof. That it doesn't really need to follow the taper
[57:04] ends. And I think the proposal of evacia might not
[57:10] be right because the left side of that void is
[57:14] actually straight, not in an angle. So if you put
[57:19] the standing seam panels vertical, it might look better. So
[57:27] those are the. Three areas that are not comfortable with,
[57:32] um, for this building. Any other comments?
[57:43] I have a few comments. Okay. Um, pretending to the
[57:46] landscape. It's a great plant palette you have here. A
[57:53] great mixture of, um, a low water used plants. What
[57:57] I do see missing is some type of ground cover.
[58:00] That can help you, um, fill in a lot of,
[58:03] a lot of the landscape as needed. But, um, more
[58:06] importantly when it comes to the plant layout, I don't
[58:09] see really a consistency with the new plant arrangement compared
[58:14] to what's already their existing on the rest of the
[58:17] parking lot. From the, um, planting design. It seems to
[58:22] be more before more, um, structured plant layout, more on
[58:28] center planting. And as you look on the street view
[58:31] of the rest of the parking lot, it looks more
[58:34] organic natural arrangement of plant material. So it's going to
[58:38] be a stark difference between existing and new, uh, new,
[58:42] uh, the new planting design as you get closer to
[58:46] the building. And I feel like it would be a
[58:48] disservice to have a brand new looking building with new
[58:53] landscape plant material by the building. But as you approach
[58:57] from the street side into the parking lot, you're going
[58:59] to have a mixture of old and new plant material.
[59:03] So it's going to look like two different projects, two
[59:05] different properties where, where, uh, new plan materials starts at
[59:09] one point and then ends at the existing, um, parking
[59:14] lot. I feel like for consistency either new plans should
[59:19] be installed throughout the parking lot. Not just near the
[59:22] building. And or match the plant arrangement to either be
[59:27] formal like you have on the new plant. Layout. Or
[59:32] to match was existing, which would be more of a
[59:34] natural organic arrangement of the plant material and not be
[59:38] on center planting. Just as a comment,
[59:48] uh, when it comes to the pettylamth as being used,
[59:51] um, it's a great plant. Um, it will need some
[59:53] shade. And it seems like in some of the locations
[59:56] that it's being proposed, um, you would have a chance
[1:00:01] of the plant material not making it, especially when it's
[1:00:05] getting full sun exposure throughout the day. It would need
[1:00:08] constant yearly, um, uh. Yeah, shading and providing replacing the
[1:00:18] plan material way too often. Maybe come maintenance problem later
[1:00:21] down the road. But, uh, overall, um, I think it's
[1:00:25] a good plant palette. It's just might need some rework
[1:00:28] to be done to be able to seamlessly work with
[1:00:31] the existing landscape and or replace the existing landscape. Thank
[1:00:36] you. Comments. I've seen. That. So do we want to
[1:00:46] make a motion in some form. I'd like to take
[1:00:50] a crack at it. Okay. Um, and yeah, the reason
[1:00:54] I want to take a crack at it is, um,
[1:00:57] I want to say, you know, I made some general
[1:00:59] comments about, about a couple of the parts of the,
[1:01:03] of the building, um, and I have ideas about what
[1:01:07] you could do on the East End and what you
[1:01:09] could do on the north end, but I didn't want
[1:01:11] to say it because, you know, you guys are good
[1:01:14] designers. And I think you need, you deserve to take
[1:01:18] a crack at it and do what you think is,
[1:01:20] is right based on the comments you hear. And, you
[1:01:23] know, and bring it back. I don't want to have
[1:01:25] you guys walk away with a list of, oh, well,
[1:01:29] gee, let's lower this and let's, you know, at a
[1:01:31] standing seam roof over here and, you know, um, I
[1:01:35] don't know what some other comments, um, maybe would be,
[1:01:39] Oh, let's, let's make this standing seam straight, not, not
[1:01:42] sloped. You know, if you guys have reasons for what
[1:01:45] you did, I'm going to say if you have aesthetic
[1:01:49] reasons that you feel strongly about, you can push back
[1:01:54] and say, you know, and give us design reasons for
[1:01:58] why you want to do it this way or that
[1:02:01] way. We can have, we can have a design discussion
[1:02:04] about it. Um, so I think it'd be good to
[1:02:09] give you guys that opportunity to come back based on
[1:02:12] what you've heard. And with a modified proposal, um, and
[1:02:17] then, and then, you know, defend your design. You might
[1:02:22] lose. Um, but, but if you feel strongly about it,
[1:02:26] I'll tell you in the past when, when an architect
[1:02:30] has, has given me good reasons for why they did
[1:02:34] what they did. And I might, I might disagree a
[1:02:37] little bit philosophically, but I'm the first one to back
[1:02:39] off if, if I think what they're saying has merit.
[1:02:50] The public comic has ended. So, uh, as far as
[1:02:57] making a motion, um, I'm going to ask staff, how
[1:03:01] general can we keep it? I know typically you guys
[1:03:03] like, you know, to have some kind of list of
[1:03:07] comments that we can hand to an applicant, um, is
[1:03:12] that really necessary. So it would be, it's beneficial for
[1:03:18] the application to be able to have the information as
[1:03:22] far as the, I know different commissioners weighed in. But
[1:03:27] yeah, providing information on how giving them just general direction.
[1:03:33] So then that way they know what they need to
[1:03:35] correct or adjust. So that way they can bring the
[1:03:38] item back. Okay. Um, so I would propose to condition
[1:03:43] the project with the, with the following comments, um, number
[1:03:50] one, um, revisit the East entrance to make it more
[1:04:00] cohesive and complementary to the existing building design. To revisit
[1:04:09] the North end of the building, um, and parapet design
[1:04:15] that's being proposed. To revisit the fin at the south
[1:04:25] end that's being proposed to be clad in stone. Um,
[1:04:30] and to revisit the standing seam, um, curtain wall product
[1:04:40] that's being proposed at the south end and how it
[1:04:44] integrates with the, with the existing building. And to, um.
[1:04:53] To restudy the landscape plan so that it's a more
[1:04:58] cohesive landscape design throughout the entire site, not just around
[1:05:03] the building. What did I miss. Anyone want to add
[1:05:10] to that? Oh, and to reconsider the specification for the
[1:05:17] pedal anthys. And whatever he said.
[1:05:28] If you don't afford it's worth, um, cause we went
[1:05:30] over. Does that have a common name. Slipper plant. Slipper
[1:05:34] plant to revisit the use of the slipper plant. And
[1:05:43] I agree with, with your breakdown, by the way, um,
[1:05:45] but I just wanted to point out, because we've reviewed
[1:05:48] another project before where an applicant was proposing to put
[1:05:52] in some plantings, um, on call it the addition on
[1:05:55] this building. But the opposite side that was existing to
[1:05:59] remain wasn't really kind of following through. It was clearly
[1:06:03] a different design. Um. There's clearly more work done in
[1:06:08] the landscape plan around the new building that wants existing
[1:06:10] around the rest of the parking lot. Um, I would
[1:06:13] consider, um, if they wanted to, to, um, make the
[1:06:19] rest of the property follow suit to the new design
[1:06:22] as an option. Versus telling their landscape architect to change
[1:06:27] the design to conform to someone else's design. Right? Exactly.
[1:06:32] Okay. Okay. Any more. All right. For the record, Commissioner
[1:06:40] Vuxic, was that a condition of approval or are you
[1:06:44] motioning to continue? Forgive me. I'm motioning to continue. I
[1:06:47] think there's enough here. We, we need to look at
[1:06:49] it again. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Should we take a phone?
[1:06:53] We need a second. I'll second. You got a second.
[1:06:57] Uh, one second. All right. Motion by FUXIC second by
[1:07:01] Sanchez Commissioner Voksick. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner McIntosh. Hi.
[1:07:09] Commissioner Garcia. Aye. Vicer Gregory? I am. Chair Blakely. Aye.
[1:07:14] Motion carry 60. Thank you. And I'm going to ask
[1:07:21] the applicant to stick around for one more minute. I
[1:07:23] just want to make sure that you guys don't leave
[1:07:25] with some confusion about what to do on that landscape.
[1:07:28] Cause I'm a little confused. On it. Um, so this
[1:07:32] is kind of like after the fact, just, just quick,
[1:07:36] quick discussion. Um. Are, are we going to, are we
[1:07:42] expecting them to come back and, and, and propose a
[1:07:48] new landscape plan for the entire parking lot. And, and
[1:07:53] if we are, and you guys can't do that. Then
[1:07:57] you need to come back and say, and say, Hey,
[1:07:59] you know, Hey guys, we can't do that. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:08:07] Hi. Can we get you on a microphone, please? Well,
[1:08:12] I'm sorry. I guess it's not. Yeah. We're in a,
[1:08:14] we're in a public meeting. So yeah, go ahead and
[1:08:17] come over here and just turn it on. Here. All
[1:08:20] right. So my name is Oscar Lua. I'm the managing
[1:08:24] partner for DIG. And I'm also the general contractor and
[1:08:27] Reuben is our designer, uh, but yeah, this property does
[1:08:31] have a shared parking with, uh, the enabling properties. So,
[1:08:36] um, to mandate to have other property owners who I'm
[1:08:39] not familiar with. I know there are other owners that
[1:08:42] own this parking lot as reciprocally use. Uh, what takes
[1:08:45] some time, uh, to come in and have the landscape
[1:08:49] architect, which I'm sure would have to go to just
[1:08:51] like it is here. A commission, the voting, uh, what
[1:08:55] landscape architect and then what that design would look like
[1:08:58] or the entire property rather than the specific property that
[1:09:01] is owned by this parcel. Does that pertain to existing
[1:09:08] planetary? That's there that you're calling out to replace as
[1:09:10] well? Are you going to those same people as you
[1:09:13] replace? We would have to. Yes. Uh, again, the partnership
[1:09:16] also owns, uh, part of the neighboring parcel. And both
[1:09:21] conditions, uh, for the parcel that we own and the
[1:09:24] neighboring have reciprocal use agreement. So therefore all costs must
[1:09:30] be split, including improvements and maintenance. So the, the, the,
[1:09:40] the motions been made and it's been approved. Um, but
[1:09:45] you guys can certainly come back and explain, okay, this
[1:09:48] is what we would propose. And this is why. I
[1:09:53] think what, what brought this common up in the first
[1:09:56] place was that you have, I'm just going to say
[1:09:59] you have prominent frontage on Fred wearing. Right. And, uh,
[1:10:03] your scope of work, your limit of work is at
[1:10:07] pretty close to significant intersection. Townsend our way and Fred
[1:10:10] Waring. And the proposed landscape design is covering about half
[1:10:15] of that frontage. And then there, defined transition from what
[1:10:21] is a more, um, call it like a systemic, uh,
[1:10:27] aligned force design of rows and patterns that then all
[1:10:33] of a sudden, uh, becomes more of a sparse, more
[1:10:36] natural flow of plants. So, um, I think what I
[1:10:41] was trying to, to at least put out as an
[1:10:43] idea is that rather, you don't want to change this
[1:10:46] landscape design. It's obvious, right? But you're suggesting also that
[1:10:49] it's more complicated to revise the existing parking lot landscading
[1:10:55] landscaping. Um, but perhaps there's a way to maybe, massage
[1:11:00] the frontage along Fred wearing so that there is a
[1:11:04] more of like a uniform look along the street that
[1:11:07] then as it goes back towards your building, might change
[1:11:10] into this new design that was presented to us. Does
[1:11:17] that make sense? Yeah. I mean, that's something I understand.
[1:11:20] I understand that. But it's just difficult. I'd have to
[1:11:23] understand what the architect means and what that means with
[1:11:25] the neighboring owners. It's not one or two owners. There's,
[1:11:29] uh, multiple property owners within the condo eyes project next
[1:11:32] door. So, um, yeah, I'd have to explore what that
[1:11:36] looks like and what that means because I'm sure today
[1:11:38] they're not mandating to change it. But, uh, because of
[1:11:41] a new building, they're just going to say that's, that's
[1:11:44] your problem, right? So that's what I would tell them.
[1:11:47] I'm not building a new building. You are. But to
[1:11:50] redo the entire parking lot, that'd be, uh, that would
[1:11:53] be the case. Yeah. Too much. But even if, if
[1:11:57] your landscape architect, you're able to look at the, the
[1:12:00] South elevation, Fred wearing drive landscape and was able to
[1:12:05] maybe take a page out of the existing landscape's book
[1:12:09] and feather that into as your landscape proceeds towards the
[1:12:12] building, towards the north, the parking area. That remains as
[1:12:16] designed. Am I making sense? It's making sense. I mean,
[1:12:21] the easy solution to me to take it all the
[1:12:23] way into the entrance all the way there, but that's,
[1:12:26] you know, it's something we'd have to look at and
[1:12:32] do a study on and see what it is. Because
[1:12:35] ultimately we'd have to redesign that, submit that to CVWD
[1:12:39] that we have and all that, right? So even if
[1:12:41] it's the subtle part right here. Chair, if I may,
[1:12:46] we should be cautious of continuing the discussion since the
[1:12:50] item has already been a decision has already been made
[1:12:53] to continue the item. Um, so this discussion can be
[1:12:56] followed up as part of the next, um, design review.
[1:13:01] My question, should we make an amendment to what we
[1:13:04] just voted on changing what we just talked about. So
[1:13:08] as far as the motion, the motion was to continue.
[1:13:11] The item with the direction. So with the applicant having
[1:13:14] that information that came following after is just the minutes
[1:13:19] are just going to look a little different. But yeah,
[1:13:22] I think the applicant understands what the commission is looking
[1:13:24] for. Just want to make clarify that. Okay. Yeah. It
[1:13:30] is John said earlier. You have the right to come
[1:13:33] back and defend your position. Right. Yeah. Understand. And I'll
[1:13:37] have to have a discussion with my consultants and my
[1:13:39] landscape architect. And I know the back of the building,
[1:13:42] which is the north end. There's a very specific piece
[1:13:45] of equipment that we need to look at. But how
[1:13:47] can we aesthetically make it better? Right. We need to
[1:13:49] maintain the heights and the clearances, but can it look
[1:13:53] better? Yeah. Sure. Let's, let's look at what aesthetically we
[1:13:56] can do with para bits. But the height will need
[1:13:59] to maintain in order for us to achieve what we're
[1:14:01] looking forward, our medical facility. But absolutely more than happy,
[1:14:07] uh, to look at any architectural elements that we can
[1:14:09] do. Uh, you know, it isn't a parking lot. So
[1:14:12] we want to make sure that we're conscious of that
[1:14:15] and what, what kind of, uh, costs would go into
[1:14:17] that. Right. Making the east entrance simpler. Thank you. It
[1:14:24] would cost me less. So, uh, certainly we'll look at
[1:14:26] all the elements. We'll certainly regroup with my architectural team
[1:14:30] and design team and, uh, come back with something with,
[1:14:33] uh, with the comments that we've got from today's meeting.
[1:14:36] Great. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. You got it. Okay.
[1:14:42] Now we move on. Um, Committee meeting updates. Cultural art
[1:14:47] committee. We do have something, um, as I said before,
[1:14:52] for some reason, uh, Palm Desert is becoming the art
[1:14:56] section of the Coachella Valley. So there is an organization
[1:15:01] called Planair. It's a outdoor painting situation, uh, got a
[1:15:08] brochure here that got approved. They ask Palm Springs Acom
[1:15:14] Springs Life. Where would they like to put this. And
[1:15:19] they decided Palm Desert. So Palm Desert is going to
[1:15:22] be the location and Palm Springs life is going to
[1:15:25] sponsor it. And it's going to be an outdoor event
[1:15:27] on El Paso. So we are moving forward as a
[1:15:32] city to be the Art of the Valley. That's the
[1:15:36] Architect. Before I turn the page. Um, so for staff,
[1:15:46] um, we do have a new member of our planning
[1:15:49] team, uh, Travis Heaps. He's joining us coming from the
[1:15:53] private sector and also with Public Sector experience. Also fellow
[1:15:58] Ca Poly Alumni. So we're excited to have him on
[1:16:01] board. And so he'll be seeing more of him. Yes.
[1:16:09] Okay. Um. Request fraction. Are there any commissioners who like
[1:16:14] to propose a future agenda item to be considered by
[1:16:16] the Commission. I'll make the one. What about making a
[1:16:22] motion or considering, uh, would you do four plants. Yeah.
[1:16:31] Um, what was presented to us today could be construed
[1:16:34] as like a permit submittal. Um, minus the existing demo
[1:16:41] plans and sections and all that stuff. But from an
[1:16:44] aesthetic standpoint, it helps us, we have no understanding of
[1:16:47] the project at all except for those few pictures of
[1:16:49] existing to have a comparison of what's existing and what's
[1:16:53] proposed. Yeah. And that's, that's something that we can look
[1:16:58] at as far as our checklist. So the checklist is
[1:17:01] what's provided online. So that's typically whenever, um, we're giving
[1:17:05] guidance to applicants to make sure that they have a
[1:17:07] complete application is that they're adhering to our checklist. Um,
[1:17:12] for whatever reason, existing elevations and existing floor plans, it's
[1:17:17] not, I know it's typically provided, but as far as,
[1:17:20] um, it being a hard requirement, we can revisit that
[1:17:23] and take a look at our checklist and see if
[1:17:25] they need to be updated. Um, also too right now,
[1:17:27] we're going through a lot of ADA changes on the
[1:17:30] way that we have our handouts. Um, so this is
[1:17:33] probably a good time to be able to look at
[1:17:35] that and, um, make changes. We can request that. As
[1:17:40] a commission. Uh, so it's something that SAF will take
[1:17:43] into consideration. And we'll report back as far as if
[1:17:50] we're able to make those changes. Yeah. I think it
[1:17:54] doesn't have to be demolition because that's getting a construction
[1:17:56] documents. It's really just understanding aesthetically what it looked like
[1:18:01] before and what it's going to look like after heights,
[1:18:03] all those things. Sure. Anybody else. Okay.
[1:18:14] With no other questions. I moved to adjourn this meeting
[1:18:16] hearing no objections. I declare the meeting adjourned at. 150.
[1:18:31] Recording stopped.