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All right, everybody ready? We'll call the meeting to order. City clerk, can you please do the roll call?

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Mary Olson here. Mayor Pro Tembishop, council members, loa, here.

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That in court, here in Alicon. We have a quorum.

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I make a motion to excuse us in Bishop.

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On favor, say aye, aye, anyone opposed? That passage unanimously.

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We're going to do the pledge allegiance followed by a brief moment of silence, if everybody

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who's able, please stand, place your right hand over your heart, and begin.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America as to the Republic for

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which it stands, one nation, under God, in the middle of the city, and just for all.

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Thank you.

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Okay, City Clerk, could you please play the public code of conduct?

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Okay.

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Do it live.

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Ladies and gentlemen, may I please have your attention?

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The meeting of the Palmdale City Council is now in order.

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A code of conduct will now be read.

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And we request that you comply with it to ensure the efficient administration of the meeting.

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Members of the public, it is your right to participate in today's City Council meeting.

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And the Council encourages such participation.

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However, the right of the public to address the Council must be balanced with the need

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to ensure that public comment does not interfere with the orderly course of the Council's

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business.

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All are reminded to abide by the following rules.

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Speakers must see speaking immediately when their time has ended.

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Public comment on agenda items must relate to the subject matter of that item.

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General public comment is limited to subjects within the jurisdiction of the Council.

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Public comment does not include the right to engage in a dialogue with Council members or staff.

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Please remain respectful of the form and refrain from uttering, writing, or displaying,

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propane, personal, threatening, derogatory, demeaning, or other abusive statements towards

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the council. Any member thereof staff or any other person. Members of the audience should

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be respectful of the views expressed by speakers, staff, and council members and may not

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excessively clap, cheer, whistle, or otherwise disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting.

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Any person engaging in conduct that disrupts the meeting is subject to being removed from

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council meeting. Finally, if you witness conduct or behavior by the other members of the public

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that disrupts your ability to remain engaged or participate in this meeting, please notify

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city staff. Thank you for your cooperation.

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Okay, thank you. We will now show the Q-Critter video.

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Okay. Can we acknowledge the observances

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for the month of August.

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The city of Palmdale would like to acknowledge

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a falling observances.

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National traffic awareness month, national wellness month,

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national farmers market week, the second to the ape,

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national night out, senior citizens day, the 21st,

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and women's equality day, the 26th.

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Thank you.

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Great. Thank you.

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Okay, non-agenda public comment. Now is the time for public participation for items not listed on the agenda.

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We have Eugene Hernandez.

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And then, she assigned the worker, named James, to call me up, and James, the city worker, said,

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I called up your management, and they dispute the decision of the problem, and I'm going

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to pull in your case.

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So, very disappointed with the city staffness of Ndus, and they shouldn't be treating me,

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the tax payer like this, and refusing services, it should be fine for them.

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Not to do it.

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So now we still don't have the light up, and we have a lot of bad people who live in

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Nagorno, Pavilion, so I could just imagine what's going to happen next.

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Thank you.

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We have SESA Vega.

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Thank you, Council.

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Council, 13 years ago, my mother and I met with a sheriff's deputy in the city council chambers

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to discuss the resolution and support of immigration reform.

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It was the first time in my life that I had ever

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presented to city government, and it was the first time in my life,

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someone told me why they personally oppose the legal immigration,

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but it was also the first time someone showed me that they didn't

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necessarily hate me personally.

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I remember every single word of the conversation

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and it still doesn't need to be today.

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This is why I was shocked when on July 26,

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having a panic attack at Colin Ambulance.

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From my neighborhood, I was followed by a group of people

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in a vehicle using loudspeaker shouting at me,

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calling me an illegal alien well,

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and the ambulance cutting the ambulance off

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and pumping the boulevard on the way

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to Pondo Regional Medical Center.

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Inside the medical center, three people waited

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and shouted at me again, calling me an illegal alien.

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Last thing, as I started convulsing,

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as I started writing in pain,

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and only stopped when I lost consciousness.

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This is now subject to a federal DOJ complaint.

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This is subject to a federal DHS complaint,

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because these people, whether or not it's true,

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to be ICE agents and your community.

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These are the same people who I've mentioned last meeting.

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We're driving around my neighborhood using loudspeakers

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to say that neighborhoods surrounded,

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saying that they're going to shoot illegal aliens in my neighborhood.

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When I came out as an undocumented migrant,

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when I wasn't documented in the younger,

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I knew I would face challenges that I would be threatened by people.

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Instead, I found the total opposite in Palmdale.

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A welcoming community that gave me a chance

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to build a career in a reputation working alongside

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some of the most hard-working people in America who commute an hour every day for safe neighborhoods.

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I implore the council for the sake of the quality of life in my neighborhood.

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To take a look at public safety issues just down the street on Q7 and 3rd Street East.

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We cannot control from this day as what Washington does with national immigration politics.

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I am the most pet and court saying that.

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But we can do something about the quality of life and safety in our community.

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And I implore the council to do so. Thank you very much.

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We have Kevin Chankeman.

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Good evening.

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So according to the Declaration of Colin Burns, one of your city attorneys, in the case

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Allercon versus City of Palmdale, the total amount billed by Harper and Burns as of July

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8th was 115,000, 16 dollars.

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On July 22nd, the Los Angeles Superior Court ordered council member Allercon for attorneys

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fees and costs, attorneys fees in the amount of 186,563 dollars and costs in the amount of

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$1,800, $1,800 and $1.52 for a total of 303,390 dollars and 52 cents. And for what?

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So that y'all could keep city attorney invoices from being scrutinized by councilmember

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hour-cone to make sure that you're not getting ripped off by your city attorney. Your legal

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advice has been trash. It's just the latest example. In the case of Thorstenson versus City of Palmdale,

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y'all paid $900,000 to settle a case that comes out to more than $10,000 per day that Mr. Thorstenson

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worked for the City of Palmdale.

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And his case was about Keith Kang making two jokes about his age.

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You're settling the cases that you should win, and you're fighting the cases that are unwinnable.

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Even the atlars may or thing though.

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We can disagree about policy whether there should or shouldn't be an at large mayor in the city of Palmdale, but the fact is, is the way that you are going about it is unlawful, you will be sued, you will lose, and you will be end up paying these people's money in attorney's fees.

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For what?

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Now, Council Member Betten Court, we go back away as this is the same thing.

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And remember, the first time I spoke with you in 2021, 2022, I said,

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the one regret that I had was not coming to the council and say,

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you're getting your legal advice that you're getting is trash.

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Well, today, your legal advice that you're getting is trash.

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No, farthest speaker cards on this section.

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Excuse me, may I?

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Yes.

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Rich guy, you go from the Palm Bill Freedom Coalition.

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I wanted to say that I'm glad to hear I spoke with Mayor Olsen the other day and I spoke

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with Sal and Alex just before the meeting and I'm understand that our ordinance proposal

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about getting town hall meetings mandatory for each of the council districts is being studied

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to see how it can be done legally and whatever.

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I'm very happy that that's the case.

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I do want to point out that I'm a little surprised it's taken this long.

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We brought this to your attention two years ago.

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And why this, whatever needs to be studied, hasn't been studied and found out already

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is a little bit of a mystery to me.

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But I'm glad to see it's moving forward.

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The other thing that we've talked to you about before is the need for a code of conduct for

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the city council,

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because you put one in place the last time we brought this up, but it's

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absolutely no teeth and every one of you knows it. So, I find it a little hard to listen

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at the beginning of each meeting to the code of conduct for the people who are supposed

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to be in charge, but the folks who are representing us don't have any such thing. It's a

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little bit backwards, guys, and there's a lot of that lately. This is what I keep talking to

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you guys about. You don't seem to understand that being represented as first of all, some of

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folks back here, you call them leaders. They're not leaders. They're your representatives.

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You need a leader. That's on you. Personally, I don't need a leader. I need representatives

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on any representatives that will listen to me and the rest of the community. There are people

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here who disagree with pretty much everything I have to say politically, but you know what?

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I'm glad they're here because they're part of the process. They have a voice. They're supposed

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to have a voice in any way. So the problem is that voice doesn't mean anything if it's not

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And we speak to you under the rules of the Brown Act.

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We don't know if you're hearing us.

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We don't know if you've turned to us out completely.

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We don't know.

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We need to have these town hall meetings so we can have a meaningful discussion.

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Please get to it as soon as possible.

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Anyone else?

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Good evening.

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In about two months at our amphitheater at Marie Corpard,

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there's going to be an event that celebrates

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and express this concern for breast cancer.

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There will be people, women, mainly women.

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They are that are fighting the cancer.

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There will be those of us that are fortunate enough to be survivors.

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And a little group that we don't give enough credit to called caregivers.

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My caregiver, my sister, from actually day one, has been by my side.

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Twenty-two years, she is still going to Dr. Visits and making sure that everything is all right with my health.

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Twenty-two years, she's been my caregiver.

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We don't give enough credit to those that step up to be the sideist.

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I know it's a ways off and it's not yellow October 24th and I will be here again closer to remind everybody

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to come by or maybe support a friend and to encourage any women and some of you guys to

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to get things your breast check because they're not as big but you got the little ones there

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that need to be checked also because you can give breast cancer.

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And on a happy or no, because I'm a mom, my son that I spoke to you about his arrived yesterday and will be with me for three weeks, a former course on lifeguard, my son, Mikey, is here with me tonight with the council meeting.

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So thank you very much.

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Hey, Marsha, get your scooter ready.

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I know it. It's okay.

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Hi, you guys. How are you doing today? Nice to see you guys all. I am here as my name is Rebecca and I'm here as a curator and advisory member of the AV Community Art Gallery. I'm here again to ask you guys to please help us fund the AV Community Art Gallery. We are a non, we are not a non-profit. We are solely donation-based, volunteer-based, and we are a safe haven for the Art Gallery.

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out here in Palmdale and actually the all the small one because we've got people from

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little rock coming to our gallery we've got people from Lancaster turning in their art

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it's a untapped resource because you're allowed to turn in your work for free and we service

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everybody we service kids adults elderly disabled and anybody in between I'm here and I'm going to

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I hope to hear from you guys soon.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else wish to speak?

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Roger?

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Can I come along and do not have any?

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OK, thank you.

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I think we could follow a question.

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So with regard to the town hall ordinance

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that was referenced in public comment,

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can I get clarity on where we stand?

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Because as I recall, we voted as a council

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to have that come back as a resolution, not that we study it.

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So can I get clarity on what's going on?

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OK, now I believe something.

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So I believe at the last meeting, it was directed

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to come back as a resolution.

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It didn't make this agenda.

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But we are having a second meeting in August.

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And I think the intent was for it to come back at that time.

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OK, as long as it's coming back as a resolution,

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not that we're exploring.

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No, we're not.

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We're not definitely.

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I just want to make sure it gets back.

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Yes, it is.

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OK, thank you.

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Yeah, that's not how I understood it.

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I thought that we were looking at what the guidelines were from the city to be able to conduct these and then when that comes back we will have a discussion.

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I thought we went through sort of a lengthy discussion about the legal implications of an ordinance as opposed to a resolution because the proposed ordinance by that was submitted to the council included penalties for not conducting town hall meetings to the council members.

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And we were concerned about, you know, implementation of those penalties, and then the frequency of what was being requested.

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I think it was every three months or so, the ordinance called for each council member mandated us to have town halls in our respective council districts every three months.

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And if not, we were going to be penalized under an ordinance.

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We had a discussion about making it a resolution, encouraging and supporting those council members who want to host town halls, but not making it mandatory and not making it punitive.

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Yeah, that's the way I understood it. They were going to do the analysis and all the do's and don'ts and how we are going to effectively allow for town halls, but remember the concern that it shouldn't be a mandate.

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So could we go back and look because I don't remember it.

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Yes, we need to have a brainstorming session with people because like I've had two different kinds, one with all the directors there and then one without them.

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One that the city helps sponsor, one that I had to do completely on my own.

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So we have to decide what we all want and how it's going to be done and scheduled and whether directors are coming.

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because it takes a long time for the directors to prepare to bring all their stuff to these meetings.

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So maybe we can have a brainstorming session or maybe at our council retreat next time we can talk about this.

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It would be easy if you ever just have town hall meetings and we wouldn't have to do this.

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But I mean I've had two.

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I know that they probably want more.

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Yeah, so we're also supportive of it.

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I had the first one and I think part of our discussion was also that there needs to be equitable parameters for what the city council

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supports. I know when I had my town hall, I was restricted prohibited from any city staff being

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there, prohibited from using a city facility. My flyers were stolen from the back of the city

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council room, and I was not allowed to have any staff support at all, which was completely

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in my office that I experienced as you were. You had yours at the Palmdale Playhouse,

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you had every director present, and they were all within, I think, the same year time frame,

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It was not a, I think you raised the concern whether or not it was a note.

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Okay,

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no one else wishes to speak? All right, we're going to close non-agenda public comment.

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Is there anything on the consent calendar that we're going to pull? Well, just before I allow public comment, we can pull for council session a minute. Is there anything we're taking off?

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No, nothing at this time.

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Five, six.

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Should it be the pleasure of the council?

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We can pull five, six.

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We're moving five, six.

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We'll bring that back to the next meeting.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Public comment for consent calendar.

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If anybody wishes to speak on items on the consent calendar,

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now is the time to do so.

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Do you have any de-in her nervous?

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I'd like to thank Eric for reducing her speaking time

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for three minutes to two minutes.

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And also thank you for taking us of YouTube.

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These meetings are not covered by YouTube anymore.

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And I'd like to say that I support the teamsters

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that are still in strife for the three years

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and they're still fighting.

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And also that I believe that we, you know,

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you should adopt a code of contact

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because your contact is awful.

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Thank you.

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Great.

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We'll look into that next.

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Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak on the consent calendar?

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Come on, Roger.

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All right, we're closing it.

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Council, is there any items you wish to pull for discussion?

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I think we all do.

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Yes, five, three.

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Five, six.

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Take that out completely.

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Oh, five, five, five.

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Five, five, eight, and five, nine.

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Is there a motion to approve the remainder of the second?

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Okay.

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We've got a first and a second on paper.

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Say aye.

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Anyone opposed?

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That passes unanimously.

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Can we get a staff report on five three please?

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Good evening, Mayor and council.

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Nardi Lopez, Assistant City Manager.

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We are bringing forward today a request to approve.

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second amendments to agreements with Avent, Advanced Avent, Guard Inc., and Townsend Public Affairs

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for Comprehensive Rent Related Services, and also to extend, to exercise the second option

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to extend both agreements through December 20, 27, which would be completing the full term

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of the three-year term for the agreements.

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Can you highlight what we're getting?

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Yes, I would love to.

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So contracting grant services provides staff

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with the ability and the capacity to be able

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to submit grants for our various projects.

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In-house, it would be a challenge to be able to keep up

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the amount of grants available and the amount of time that it requires to prepare the grants

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and do the research and align our projects with the grants that are most competitive.

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So having this services allows us to be able to have the grant writers provide that support.

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I can say that with the services of these two grant writers, thus far we've had 31.3

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million dollars funded in awards, and we have an additional 136.5 million that are pending.

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We've submitted grants and we are waiting response on those as well to see if we were awarded.

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Just a 31 million between both contracts?

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31.3 million.

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Yes, so I, my briefing, I requested sort of an outline of, you've highlighted the sort of the large number, the universe of 31 million and some other larger number of what we're still out there in prospects, but I asked for what specifically each contractor has delivered, never received it, and I still don't see, I'm not hearing specifically which grants or received and that's important information.

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so that we can sort of discern whether or not we should, in fact, extend these agreements.

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I can share that information. For, I will speak to TPA, which is now in some public affairs. They

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have thus far helped us. We have some that are funded and some that are pending award. So TPA,

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I have a total of $3.3 million, and I can specify which awards those are.

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We have a 2425, that's the FSP Intercity Passinger Rail Grant Program, and these are the

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pending ones.

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That is for $65 million,

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I'm sorry, I will, that was AGI, that's advanced.

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Okay, I'm, I'm going to use the ready. So let's start over back.

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I will speak about the pending ones at this moment, which is how I have my list here.

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Okay, so for what they've actually delivered.

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Okay, we have the hazard mitigation grant program.

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That is a GI that's $165,000 and that will help us update our hazard mitigation plan.

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We have 2425 FSP Intercity passenger rail grant program and that is for 65,600.

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We have, so are the, you said Townsend was the FSB?

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No, no, I am giving you advance.

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These are all, well, I'm reading office all, I have, yes.

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Then for them as well, I have 25, 26, and that's a fiscal year.

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Real-world crossing elimination grant program, which is 68,

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1,160,000.

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Those are very large grants.

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and required a lot of analysis and gathering of information to submit.

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Those are AGI

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and pending for Townsend Public Affairs.

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Right now we have the SS4A, which is the Safe Streets,

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2026 implementation grant program and that's 2,315,000,

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that's good, okay. I can go now to the ones that are awarded.

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Okay, so how about guard there were three towns and there's one?

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There's a smaller one that's the lowest community bucket list program because we do assist in small ones that some of the departments needs, that's 250,000 for TPA.

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And then we have a 59,106 dollar one, which is for FY25, Edward Bird Memorial Justice Assistance Grant Program, which we were just notified yesterday, that is no longer pending, we actually awarded it.

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I'm getting a little confused again, but anyway, if you could go on to the, what was it was?

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Sure.

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For awards, we have, we have the Measure A acquisition only grant, which was for our Barrel Springs

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Acquisition Project that was awarded in 2025 January, and that was for $2 million that it was TPA.

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We have the build grant, which was previously the race grant.

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That one is for the Rancho Vista Great Separation Project, that was January 2025 and that was $23 million.

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We have another SS4A, that's also TPA, that's for Project on 20th Street East Corridor Improvement Project, and that was $5 million, $382,000.

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We have another cycle of the SS4A. This one is most recent in 2026. That is for the active transportation plan was supplemental reports and that was in January of 2026 and that was $400,000.

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we have the, and these are TPA. We have the 2026-27 sustainable transportation planning grant.

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That is for the Palmdale Masterbike Plan. That was in May of 2026 and that was 283,000 dollars.

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And there is an item on the consent calendar that the Council just approved for a resolution on that one.

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And I've mentioned the one.

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Questions that are pending? I've mentioned those. And that's the list that I have at this moment.

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I guess I just, it would be much easier if it was provided in writing as an attachment to the staff report.

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For the general public, it would be easier to digest and understand the value of these contracts.

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And then when I ask for it and I'm told that I'm going to get it, but then never get it, it's troubling.

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And this is not an indictment on you, Nardy.

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It's Ms. Lufthas, it's just that this has been constant for three and a half years.

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Since day one of me being elected, I've asked continually asked for information and been denied that information.

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And it's pertinent and relevant to what I do here as an elected representative.

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And I think now Council members are starting to see that the stuff that I want is not because I want to, you know,

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maximizing the value of our taxpayer dollars here, so that we can tell the residents, our

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hardware residents that are paying the highest sales tax in the state of California, that

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their money is being put to good use. So, it would be helpful if at some point you could

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just get us a list of all of what you sort of ran through. That would be helpful. Thank you.

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Yes. And I will say that that could be on me because I was not at your briefing and I understood

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to share the information, not that it was needed before, so apologies for that, but I will

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share it with the Council tomorrow.

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Any other questions?

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Who to approve?

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Okay.

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We've got a motion in the second.

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I'll favor say aye.

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Anyone opposed?

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That passes unanimously.

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I believe that takes us to 5.5, can we get a staff report?

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Lee Taur is publicÖ.

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Sorry.

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Lee Taur is public report instructor, good evening, Mayor.

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City Council members, the cited before you, is for your consideration to adopt a resolution.

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Number C-C-2-026-046 authorizing execution of a restricted grant agreement with Cal

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Trans and for the Palmdale master by plan.

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A city applied for sustainable transportation planning grant back in November, 2025, to develop a master bike plan.

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A Palmdale was awarded $283,000 with a required local match from the city in the amount of $36,666.

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The master bike plan would provide a comprehensive study, expand, and improve the current network.

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The Bic Master Plan will also support the General Plan goals for safety, access and mobility.

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Local measure our funds will be used for the city's local match.

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Once the agreement has been approved and executed staff will release an RFQ to develop the Master Plan.

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This will establish the Bic Design Standard Guidelines for the city.

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Create a GIS user-friendly map.

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The map will show existing and proposed bike lanes, routes, schools and parts, bus stops and gaps through the network and also identify projects for bike improvements in future.

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And in order to complete the master plan, see we'll host the public outreach and community engagement meetings to obtain input from the community.

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Public outreach is an important part of the bike master plan.

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The Selected Consultant will be responsible for preparing the public outreach engagement plan.

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We'll identify key stakeholders, we'll provide notification to propose meetings to be sent through

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our social media accounts and other outlets, create online project web page to include

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fax sheets and project updates, and lastly to host pop-up events and online surveys

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to collect additional input.

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That concludes my presentation.

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Do you want to ask any questions you may have?

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Thank you so much for your report.

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I pulled this item because it was on the consent calendar, but master plans for any jurisdiction and even

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espality are really important.

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And they really need to involve public participation and public input.

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And so thank you for putting this PowerPoint together to outline to the general public what

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and how they can offer over the course of the process of the development of the master plan if they're

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interested in following the process and contributing, they can reach out directly to you over

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the course of the next, whatever year or so, however long you plan to develop this plan.

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But in any case, I just wanted to make sure that...

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The public knew that there is an opportunity to participate in these discussions if they so desire.

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So thank you. Happy to move that item.

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All the second.

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Okay, we've got a motion in the second.

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All the favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Anyone opposed?

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That passes unanimously.

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5.8.

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I believe that's still you.

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Next slide, then, is for your consideration to approve an agreement.

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A-971-8 with Dash Construction Company for Fencing Replacement for not to see the amount

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of $177,962.

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We advertised this bid back in April, 2026.

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We had five vendors submitted Bids Dash was the lowest responsible bidder.

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The work itself will include or replacement of approximately 1,400 linear feet of fencing

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concrete most trips at 4 L&D locations will be using landscape assessment district funds to pay for this effort.

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Thanks for that.

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This is also for public information.

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This was on the consent calendar, but it affects my district and a couple other council districts.

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But we often hear from our commenters and our residents that, you know, there's blight in our community.

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The lot of these red-iron fences have graffiti, they're corroded, they're dangerous, they're just ugly and old.

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But I want to assure the listening public that we are investing in these projects and that we're going to deliver on them.

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So that's it. Thank you. Happy to move it.

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Okay, we've got a motion in the second, I'll favor say aye.

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Any more votes?

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Passive unanimously, by 0.9.

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That's completely.

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Next item is for consideration to approve a requisition.

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Number two, seven, zero.

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One, one, zero.

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With AA oils incorporated, DVA California fuels,

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Lubricants and fuel, four fuel and Lubricants

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for not to exceed a amount of 525,000.

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This bid went out back in July 23, 2026,

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we received four vendors using the lowest bidder was safety clean system, but they submitted a non-responsive bid, we went to the second low bidder, which was California fuels in lubricants.

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We'll be using fleet maintenance, internal service funds to pay for this services.

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So, thank you for this one.

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I'm going to need a little help understanding exactly what we're doing here.

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So, it's for motor oil, lubricants, diesel, and unlettered fuel.

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The bitter that you're proposing that we award the contract to,

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their bid price was slightly under $60,000, right?

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Yes.

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Sorry, sir, for the page.

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Ma'am, sorry, I'm Adam Dyer, I'm the fleet superintendent, how are you?

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How wonderful for you.

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00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:17,250
So, the way fuel is bid is based on a rack price,

451
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:19,290
so because fuel prices are unpredictable,

452
00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:23,370
really the only thing you can bid on is the amount of markup for the fuel.

453
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:29,810
So, AAA oil was the lowest bidder at a 23 cents a gallon markup,

454
00:43:29,810 --> 00:43:39,990
and the $59,700 is the estimated amount of fuel for the whole year with the 23 cents

455
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:45,670
of gallon markup. So that's basically the markup over rack fuel price. You said that you're

456
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:54,630
saying a rack not. So rack fuel is like it's the average amount average cost for like

457
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:59,710
distribution fuel. So if we would have our own tanker truck and driver we could go to the

458
00:43:59,710 --> 00:44:04,550
distribution center purchased a fuel for rack price got it. I was thrown. I thought you were

459
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:09,670
saying we're a pan the I rack price. Rack, I got it. So it takes a top 10 to show.

460
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:14,730
Like it's time to be buying oil. They're going. It's definitely not a good time to be buying oil.

461
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:20,770
But it's a necessary. So okay. So you said $60,000 for one year, right? That's the markup.

462
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:25,210
That's the markup. I guess maybe that's what's missing in this report because I'm not clear. So it's a contract.

463
00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:41,630
Well, when you're contract with two options to extend for one year, so total potential of three years of 60,000 times three, that's 180,000, but yet the requisition is at 525,000, so I need clarity on the difference.

464
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:48,830
the market. So we approximately use, say, just for the conversation, because it's an average

465
00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:56,990
about 60,000 gallons of fuel, right? So the price of the fuel itself varies based on price,

466
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:57,750
crude oil, whatever.

467
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:15,860
So what our vendor bid on is the mark-up over that price. So they charge us 24 cents a gallon to go to the distribution center, essentially pick the fuel up and deliver it to our holding tanks and the maintenance yard.

468
00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:20,080
The contract is not attached to our staff report. So does it allow?

469
00:45:20,540 --> 00:45:28,080
It's just a purchase order. Okay, so it's just a purchase order. So when we award, but there's got to be an agreement in place in order first. I mean, that's what we're awarding right?

470
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,900
It's just a record position for the purchaser.

471
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,600
It's just a delivery of goods.

472
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,280
So then what is the one year with two options to extend?

473
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,960
That's the purchaser.

474
00:45:40,220 --> 00:45:44,180
I don't understand how a purchaser has a one-year term

475
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:48,000
and two-year, two-one-year options to extend.

476
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:48,860
Right.

477
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,500
It's a purchaser.

478
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:50,560
Yeah.

479
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:53,200
Every year we have to come back.

480
00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:57,630
Every year we have to come back and ask permission

481
00:45:57,630 --> 00:46:00,750
are approval from Council to redue the requisition of the year.

482
00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:02,910
But what would it be an option to extend?

483
00:46:03,110 --> 00:46:05,950
There would have to be an underlying agreement in order to extend that agreement.

484
00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:08,950
No?

485
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:09,810
I mean, hello.

486
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:14,690
Are we calling something an option to extend, which isn't an option to extend?

487
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:19,710
Like, is this an agreement they will hold the price of the goods the same?

488
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:20,790
Yes.

489
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:21,410
So the agreement?

490
00:46:22,210 --> 00:46:28,870
Well, the purchase order is good for three years after the one year extensions, then we

491
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:34,070
to go back out to bid again for the same for the product again. So it's not ongoing.

492
00:46:35,890 --> 00:46:39,650
I'm still unclear on what exactly we're doing. We're going out to bid.

493
00:46:41,050 --> 00:46:47,950
And we're, how do we lock them into the 24 cents markup without an agreement?

494
00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:55,900
Nobody knows. Well, if we don't have answer, can we just continue this item?

495
00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:01,580
We can approve it for one year and come back. We would read bid it for the next year.

496
00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:16,590
I'm sorry, can the echo's in this room, we hear every word of the conversations if we could just get through this, please?

497
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:17,930
Good evening.

498
00:47:19,330 --> 00:47:37,370
So to address the question with regard to the solicitation, we went out to bid that would be good for three years that the purchase order is for a one year period and the team would have to come back before Council each year thereafter, but the RFP is the underlying document that would allow

499
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:44,730
the city to hold those terms for the three years, whatever, was in that bid document.

500
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:49,470
And therefore, we would not have to go out to bid again next year, and the following year,

501
00:47:49,590 --> 00:47:55,030
we would wait until the expiration of that three-year term to go back out to the market with an open solicitation.

502
00:47:55,030 --> 00:48:00,210
So, when people, this is how I understand it, when people respond to an RFP and they provide a bid proposal,

503
00:48:00,270 --> 00:48:06,710
that's essentially an offer to the city, we have to accept that offer in order to make a contractual arrangement

504
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:12,310
in order to hold them accountable to whatever terms are set forth in their proposal.

505
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:14,950
So there should be some sort of underlying agreement.

506
00:48:16,310 --> 00:48:21,850
This just isn't seen like it's, I'm just unclear on exactly what we're doing here.

507
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:27,690
And when the bidder is the bid price is 60,000, and then you're saying that it's a potential

508
00:48:27,690 --> 00:48:33,330
it's one year, but then two one year options to extend, that's three years, that's 180,000.

509
00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:37,250
Then why is it the requisition request over half a million dollars?

510
00:48:37,570 --> 00:48:44,010
So my understanding based on what the team has shared is that that is the market price is what was bid on.

511
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:47,550
However, the city still has to pay for the actual price of the fuel.

512
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:52,270
So that 525 is comprised of both of those components.

513
00:48:55,290 --> 00:49:00,270
Okay, I guess I'm just unclear on how we lock them into that price without an agreement.

514
00:49:00,630 --> 00:49:04,650
If you're saying there is no agreement, how do we lock them in for three years to 24 cents?

515
00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:11,650
So for the purchase of commodities, we can proceed with a purchase order and not a standard contract.

516
00:49:11,770 --> 00:49:16,230
However, the purchase order does have all of the city standard terms and conditions.

517
00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:19,270
It has been approved to form by the city attorney's office.

518
00:49:20,290 --> 00:49:26,790
And our RFP, our solicitation documents, become a part of that agreement, essentially.

519
00:49:27,010 --> 00:49:31,150
So that is how we, the agreement is the purchase order.

520
00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:38,050
So that RFP is a legal document and that is what holds us to those, to those rates that we're

521
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:38,630
bid on.

522
00:49:38,830 --> 00:49:39,730
Can I ask a question?

523
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:44,470
If we're giving them the option of extending for two years, why don't we just write a purchase

524
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:46,150
order contract for three years?

525
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:49,010
That way we don't have to come back.

526
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:50,850
Why are we only doing one year one?

527
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:54,950
We clearly know we're going to extend it for two years.

528
00:49:55,230 --> 00:49:56,850
Because I think the price of the future.

529
00:49:56,850 --> 00:49:58,410
Or we could do the opposite.

530
00:49:58,410 --> 00:49:59,870
We could do it from one year because

531
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:13,280
Ideally, we will get out of this war and the cost of a full fuel will go down and then we can enter, we can go out to bid again and get a lesser markup, lesser than 24 cents.

532
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:19,120
But the way I'm understanding is what we're locking into is the excess charge of the 24 cents.

533
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:27,240
The fuel we're going to pay for, whatever the current rate is. So the RFP is the document that locks in the markup.

534
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:34,360
But the mark-up could fluctuate and could go downward in a year based on international, you know, issues.

535
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:43,860
You are correct. If the mark-up were, our team does evaluate that and we would make that choice to go back out to bid at that point in time.

536
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:46,820
We do have outs in each of our contracts and we have the ability to do that.

537
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:56,640
I guess the question is if that mark-up price goes up, what legally binds them to give us at the rate that we're discussing now?

538
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,740
the RFP that they bid on.

539
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,820
But that legally, that's the only document.

540
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,420
So making us pay that rate.

541
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:04,680
How so?

542
00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:07,080
It's a legal document they bid on that.

543
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:08,560
It is in their proposal.

544
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,540
And that document becomes a part of the city's standard agreement,

545
00:51:13,780 --> 00:51:14,960
which is the purchase order.

546
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,900
So that is a standard agreement.

547
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,260
Just I'm unclear.

548
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,220
There's got to be a governing document, an underlying document.

549
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:23,480
Like, if we go to court to hold them to the terms,

550
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:26,060
there's got to be an agreement signed by both parties.

551
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:32,360
Is there a purchase order document that is different than this requisition that is in here?

552
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:33,120
Yes, there is.

553
00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:39,760
The purchase order once the requisition is approved, we convert that in our system to the purchase order.

554
00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:41,880
I'm sorry, convert the requisition to the purchase order.

555
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:48,600
On the purchase order, the back of that document contains all of the city's terms and conditions.

556
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:54,360
And the copy of that is maintained at the city and the vendor is provided with a copy of that as well.

557
00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,520
So setting aside the legal document and the framework that we've got to work with here,

558
00:52:01,060 --> 00:52:09,880
I don't know why we would lock ourselves into a market break when right now we're at astronomical fuel rates.

559
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:18,500
It seems to me that it would be who was to leave it open in the contract for a short time as possible.

560
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:28,500
Because in six months, it may very well go down and why lock ourselves into a 24 cent markup when it could potentially go down to 20 or 15 or 10.

561
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:36,860
We don't know if international relations are going to escalator de-escalate, ideally they will de-escalate and at that point fuel prices will go down.

562
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:47,520
It just doesn't make sense to me for us to lock in a deal for potentially three years during the time when rates are the markup rate is the highest it's ever been.

563
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,680
It's a one-year deal with the option for the extensions, right?

564
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,340
So I see the benefit to that is if the markup goes higher,

565
00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:58,940
we exercise those extensions because we'll save money.

566
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:04,580
But I just, I, my confusion is how we hold them to that.

567
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,760
I could tell you that the last two contracts we've had,

568
00:53:08,060 --> 00:53:13,620
so the last six years the markup has been 25 cents for those six years.

569
00:53:13,780 --> 00:53:17,500
So this is actually two cents less than we've been paying for the last two

570
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:18,980
You are a FB and two contracts.

571
00:53:19,620 --> 00:53:21,300
So we're not agreeing to a three-year term right now.

572
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:24,280
We can't really negotiate that next year.

573
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:24,780
Sure.

574
00:53:25,540 --> 00:53:29,560
So can you tell me, so it's $60,000 for the markup.

575
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:29,720
Right.

576
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,660
And then for the three years it would be you guys are asking for 525.

577
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:34,960
520,000.

578
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:35,980
That's for one year.

579
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:37,660
525 for one year.

580
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:38,500
Yes, ma'am.

581
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:39,140
Okay.

582
00:53:39,220 --> 00:53:40,840
So I was thinking that was for the three years.

583
00:53:41,140 --> 00:53:43,740
So $60,000 markup.

584
00:53:43,740 --> 00:53:52,240
And then, is so you're estimating $460,000 or so the underlying costs?

585
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:54,000
Yes, ma'am.

586
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,280
So the price of fuel is the rack price, is the one that varies.

587
00:53:57,380 --> 00:53:59,100
So that varies with the price of crude oil.

588
00:53:59,460 --> 00:54:02,540
The markup is just essentially like the delivery fee.

589
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,580
It's the middle man fee to deliver the fuel to our, to our cash.

590
00:54:06,580 --> 00:54:06,840
I understand.

591
00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:11,080
I'm just trying to get like what baseline that we have to work with

592
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,600
and then build on top of.

593
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:18,120
It's about 450 warnings around that per year, as the baseline.

594
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:22,580
The association is a little bit higher than that, but yes.

595
00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:26,520
I didn't think that that was a high number right now.

596
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:30,880
Our total fuel budget for the years about 700,000 total.

597
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,040
Yeah.

598
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:32,620
No, look.

599
00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:34,440
I understand it's a necessary.

600
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:41,080
The effort was not clear on why there was such a big differential in the bit amount.

601
00:54:42,260 --> 00:54:50,420
It's totally get it, it's confusing the way it is, it's purchasing fuel is confusing, as it is, but trying to explain it is even harder.

602
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:53,750
Okay.

603
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:57,840
Any other questions?

604
00:54:58,180 --> 00:54:58,560
Please approve.

605
00:54:59,080 --> 00:54:59,320
Second.

606
00:54:59,660 --> 00:54:59,960
There we got them.

607
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,720
motion, and a second, all in favor say aye, aye, anyone opposed, abstain, unanimously?

608
00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:14,440
Okay, item 6.1, public hearing, city clerk, let's open the public hearing, can you please read the title of the resolution.

609
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:27,780
A resolution of the city council of the city of Palmdale, restating in its entirety, the city of Palmdale Master schedule of fees and penalties, and refilling all fire and actments inconsistent with this resolution.

610
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,180
Okay, is there a staff report?

611
00:55:34,060 --> 00:55:35,380
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

612
00:55:35,580 --> 00:55:37,080
General Samson, deputy city manager.

613
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,620
The item before you is to adopt a resolution,

614
00:55:41,140 --> 00:55:44,120
reciting the city's master schedule of fees and penalties,

615
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:46,180
for fiscal year 2627.

616
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,940
This is an item that the city reviews annually.

617
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:54,160
We update our user fees to better align with the cost of providing services

618
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,080
and to reduce general fund subsidies.

619
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:06,820
What we have presented in our fee schedule this year is a 3.8% CPI increase for the majority

620
00:56:06,820 --> 00:56:07,960
of our fees.

621
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:15,560
There are several fees within the schedule that have been addressed separately and there

622
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:20,080
was a detailed review of certain development-related fees in our building and safety and

623
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,160
our engineering divisions.

624
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:30,880
And those were looked at in detail to better reflect the staff time and the costs that are associated with providing those specialized services.

625
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:41,860
So development related fees, those are designed to recover the cost that the city spends for things like inspections plan reviews,

626
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:47,920
things that are geared towards individuals and not the general population.

627
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:56,860
So, the goal is to recover the amount of costs from those individuals who are receiving

628
00:56:56,860 --> 00:57:05,220
the benefit for those services rather than expanding that and having the general fund,

629
00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:09,460
or essentially the rest of the tax payers pay for those amounts.

630
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:17,360
Within our schedule, the CPI increase is applied to the majority of fees, as I mentioned,

631
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:24,740
And we also do have several areas where we have programs and a few way of our sponsorships,

632
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:30,460
things of that nature, specifically our Parks and Recreation Department has some programs

633
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:34,860
as far as sponsorships, a dry town, and some other areas.

634
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,420
We do have representatives from those departments available if there are specific questions

635
00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:43,140
or I'd be answering any other questions.

636
00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:46,020
Okay, should we do public comment before we do council discussion?

637
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,500
Can I just ask questions first and then they can?

638
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:48,680
Okay.

639
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:49,740
We'll do council discussion.

640
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,040
No, it's not the same question.

641
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:51,980
Questions and then we can discuss.

642
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:54,060
Questions of the staff report.

643
00:57:56,940 --> 00:58:01,740
So, I think every year, so we have to do adopt these fees schedule every year.

644
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,620
And every year, I've always the same concerns about potential subsidies for,

645
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,020
and I mentioned this to you and our briefing potential subsidies for low income

646
00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:16,460
for seniors for veterans, and who is the other one?

647
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:25,980
Maybe I'm forgetting one, but the seniors that are on fixed incomes, and I know specifically

648
00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:32,500
last year, I think we always the desire to implement some sort of subsidy or relief from

649
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:40,000
these fees for veterans, because there is no existing program to help veterans out when they

650
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,600
They're called to pay some of these fees.

651
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,480
In our briefing, I asked if we had developed a program yet since last year.

652
00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:55,680
And I think your answer was no, is there a way that we can get some feedback from staff on how

653
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:01,180
we could potentially move forward with a program specific to veterans, but also get enough

654
00:59:01,180 --> 00:59:07,640
date on subsidies for seniors and others on fixing comes.

655
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:08,520
Of course.

656
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,620
I can speak to the veteran, the veteran portion of that question.

657
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:14,300
We do.

658
00:59:14,740 --> 00:59:20,580
We have heard the Council's request as far as a dedicated program for veterans while

659
00:59:20,580 --> 00:59:21,940
that program is underway.

660
00:59:22,420 --> 00:59:28,080
We are working with our communications team and developing a dedicated webpage for veterans

661
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:35,000
to submit their requests for assistance, financial assistance.

662
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:41,960
We do have funds allocated in our measure A.V. budget that are available to assist veterans.

663
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:51,260
I will defer to our Parks and Recreation team who is here and can address the other subsidies and sponsorships that the city has available.

664
01:00:00,530 --> 01:00:04,030
Good evening, mayor, council, carriesmith, parks and recreation director.

665
01:00:05,490 --> 01:00:13,070
So I think I'll start with just a quick summary of the programs that we do have available within parks and recreation.

666
01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:23,730
For military, we do, within conjunction with America 250, we have our vet tick program for the permanent amphitheater where we're issuing free tickets for our concerts.

667
01:00:23,730 --> 01:00:28,610
Dry Town has a military price point as does the playhouse.

668
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:33,890
At the senior center legacy commons everything inside that building is free.

669
01:00:34,170 --> 01:00:38,130
We did begin a pickleball program for seniors as well at the Recreation Center.

670
01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:39,810
That one is also free.

671
01:00:40,410 --> 01:00:45,050
Our LAPSWIM program for seniors is discounted as an example.

672
01:00:45,490 --> 01:00:49,430
A swim pass for 10 swims is about $2 per swim.

673
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:54,450
We've got a discounted senior fee for for for dry town and for the playhouse

674
01:00:54,970 --> 01:01:00,890
I think those were the the two main like and I can get into the scholarship but beyond veteran and senior

675
01:01:00,890 --> 01:01:05,450
I want to answer your question. You absolutely did. Thank you very much for that. I think

676
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:10,230
I think the reason why I bring it up every year is because our residents are so hard hit particularly

677
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:15,170
in the aftermath of measure PD and the highest sales tax in the state.

678
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:19,830
Of course, any financial burden that we can alleviate is helpful.

679
01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:22,730
Particularly when it's accessing city property,

680
01:01:22,810 --> 01:01:27,790
dry town and some of the recreational activities that we've got here.

681
01:01:27,970 --> 01:01:30,410
I mean, for them to have to commute anywhere,

682
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:32,750
really is an additional financial burden.

683
01:01:33,930 --> 01:01:38,530
We really want to make our facilities available to the maximum extent possible

684
01:01:38,530 --> 01:01:42,570
at the lowest rates to our residents.

685
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:43,590
So, thank you for that.

686
01:01:43,770 --> 01:01:44,070
Of course.

687
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:46,710
Is there, Ms. Samson?

688
01:01:46,990 --> 01:01:51,170
Is there a calculation based on all the fees that we've

689
01:01:51,170 --> 01:01:54,750
for cooped last year, if you add that 3.8% increase,

690
01:01:54,930 --> 01:01:58,930
have you done that calculation of what the fiscal impact would be?

691
01:01:59,790 --> 01:02:02,910
I have not only because they vary so greatly,

692
01:02:03,010 --> 01:02:08,490
that 3.8% it really depends on the consumption

693
01:02:09,770 --> 01:02:15,090
And I will say the development related fees are calculated quite differently than some other fees.

694
01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:18,750
So that's not something that we have at our fingertips right now.

695
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:24,730
And I know it was mentioned that some of those fees are offset by measure A, B, which is great.

696
01:02:24,850 --> 01:02:27,030
That should be the purpose of those taxes.

697
01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:37,390
So I guess the question is, on the next agenda item, we're looking at deferring a tax to help the residents be able to afford life.

698
01:02:37,390 --> 01:02:40,310
And then, on the other hand, we're increasing fees.

699
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:46,590
Can't the money that we are already collected in AVNPD go to offset those fees?

700
01:02:47,110 --> 01:02:55,610
I think the intent behind the user fees is that these are directed towards the individuals or

701
01:02:55,610 --> 01:03:04,750
the developers who are using rather than having the general populations tax dollars go into the benefit

702
01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:06,690
for one individual or one business.

703
01:03:07,710 --> 01:03:10,710
That's the reason that we would raise these fees.

704
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:13,470
And not just generally offset them.

705
01:03:15,260 --> 01:03:17,200
I guess that makes sense for non-pombed oil residents,

706
01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:22,900
but I think maybe it was our second year.

707
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,600
We did a one year moratorium on an increase.

708
01:03:26,860 --> 01:03:31,220
Like we did not increase certain recreational fees,

709
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,580
so use of the fields, for instance.

710
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,040
I can't remember all of them that we listed,

711
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:44,220
But I remember raising the issue and we all agreed to alleviate certain fees to have no increase

712
01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:46,440
on certain fees for that year.

713
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,960
So I guess to your question, is that possible?

714
01:03:49,060 --> 01:03:49,960
It absolutely is.

715
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:55,420
It's just we have to identify which specific fees we want to apply that to.

716
01:03:55,820 --> 01:03:56,800
Is this timely?

717
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:04,080
Like, does this by any statute of what so ever need to be done now, or can we take a look at those

718
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,320
to see what's going to benefit Palmdale residents versus.

719
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,100
Ideally, this would hopefully be adopted this evening.

720
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,460
As it does have a budgetary impact.

721
01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:18,740
However, it is at the Council's discretion.

722
01:04:20,580 --> 01:04:21,920
Yeah, I've got another question.

723
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,240
What do you guys sort of think about?

724
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,040
I've reviewed this in depth every year.

725
01:04:31,300 --> 01:04:33,300
I light the ones that are concerning.

726
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:37,660
like there's water exercise I think we should probably alleviate that one that's largely

727
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:42,640
seniors and my guess is most on fixed incomes if they're water exercise what we don't

728
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,300
really I don't know that we need to charge them $50 in order to use our pools and participate

729
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:52,500
in the water exercise program I would imagine that injured veterans probably utilize that as well

730
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:57,900
so that might be one as an example but as I was going through it I found in business permits

731
01:04:57,900 --> 01:04:59,980
something that I had, it hadn't.

732
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,320
Really jumped out at me before. But in the aftermath of the tragedy it in and out, it did this year. It did this weekend.

733
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,220
So if we can go to ExhibitC Business Performance, page 7 of 32.

734
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:31,730
So there are business permit fees. There are some that we, for policy reasons, for public interest reasons, we have exorbitant fees because I think we want to discourage that kind of establishment from

735
01:05:31,730 --> 01:05:34,230
from opening in the city of Palmdale,

736
01:05:34,350 --> 01:05:36,110
for instance, adult-oriented businesses,

737
01:05:37,370 --> 01:05:38,650
you know, no strip clubs, right?

738
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:40,710
The $3,000 for a permit,

739
01:05:41,650 --> 01:05:42,790
massages, establishments,

740
01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:46,070
it's also the same price as essentially a strip club.

741
01:05:46,810 --> 01:05:50,290
But then gun dealers, the application for permit,

742
01:05:50,830 --> 01:05:51,910
it's $328.

743
01:05:53,250 --> 01:05:56,270
Now, when I went and looked at the parking wrecks fees,

744
01:05:56,270 --> 01:06:02,990
the cost to rent a gym, a park gym, for two hours, is more than that.

745
01:06:03,530 --> 01:06:11,570
That's concerning, in terms of policy priorities, and in terms of what we want for our city,

746
01:06:12,050 --> 01:06:19,250
I don't think we want more gunna, at least I don't, and I'd like to think that I speak on behalf of the residents that I represent on the east side.

747
01:06:19,490 --> 01:06:24,250
Do we want more liquor stores? No. Do we want strip clubs? No. Do we want dispensaries? No.

748
01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:31,610
Do we want more gun shops? No. Do we know how many gun shops we have here? I don't know how many we haven't.

749
01:06:31,690 --> 01:06:33,910
I don't know if you have an inventory. Is this kind of off the cuff?

750
01:06:34,850 --> 01:06:40,190
But there are stores that exist establishments where people can buy guns now.

751
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:50,290
They're available. They're readily available now. People can access their second amendment rights as they please.

752
01:06:50,290 --> 01:07:02,430
But setting a gun permit fee at less than the cost to rent a gym for kids to be able to use a gym for two hours.

753
01:07:03,110 --> 01:07:09,430
I think is as little backwards and it defies logic quite frankly for me.

754
01:07:09,870 --> 01:07:12,470
So I don't know, I just want to put that out there.

755
01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:15,610
I would like to recommend that we look at that revisit that.

756
01:07:15,610 --> 01:07:21,170
increase that to the exact same cost as the adult oriented business and the massage

757
01:07:21,170 --> 01:07:28,510
businesses so that they are all at the maximum rates and it's more fitting with the entire

758
01:07:28,510 --> 01:07:30,550
schedule of fees.

759
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:31,310
Mr. Law?

760
01:07:31,630 --> 01:07:32,110
Yeah.

761
01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:37,190
I think we're all concerned about increasing the fees across the board like this.

762
01:07:37,550 --> 01:07:41,230
It almost seems, I don't know, arbitrary.

763
01:07:41,230 --> 01:07:52,030
It's like this run across the board, almost 4%, at a time when S has been pointed out here repeatedly, not only tonight, but many other times.

764
01:07:52,510 --> 01:07:58,210
And it's out in the community, and we have the highest sales tax in the state of California, probably in the United States.

765
01:08:00,330 --> 01:08:09,810
And, you know, I mentioned yesterday to you and to staff, and I think it's already echoed by other people on this council,

766
01:08:10,850 --> 01:08:17,770
That, with the measures that we've had the support from the taxpayers and the voters of the city,

767
01:08:18,570 --> 01:08:24,410
measure AV and measure PD, that have helped us balance the budgets and makes us more

768
01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:30,530
fiscally sound as time goes on, that something needs to be carved out of those two taxes

769
01:08:30,530 --> 01:08:34,850
to return to the people who are paying those taxes here in Palmdale.

770
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:38,090
The other thing is, we also want to encourage development.

771
01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:45,530
I mean, I think that's something that is a matter of public policy for the city that we encourage

772
01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:49,910
development, particularly if it's going to bring more jobs here.

773
01:08:50,450 --> 01:08:56,890
And so some of the fees that are being charged for anyone applying for whatever kind of permit

774
01:08:58,750 --> 01:09:00,030
is exceedingly.

775
01:09:00,730 --> 01:09:02,730
I almost want to say exorbitant.

776
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:07,990
Maybe that's too strong of a word, but it is very expensive for developers to actually

777
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:14,330
poll permits and bring development to our city. On top of some of the other impediments that

778
01:09:14,330 --> 01:09:20,190
we impose on proposed developers. But the sales tax is something that I think that you all

779
01:09:20,190 --> 01:09:28,150
should look at and see what we can do. So instead of raising fees, year after year,

780
01:09:30,930 --> 01:09:31,510
we do something

781
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:37,910
to lessen the impact on not just our residents, but also on people who want to bring development

782
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:39,810
to our city. Can we do that?

783
01:09:42,190 --> 01:09:43,110
We can take a look.

784
01:09:44,010 --> 01:09:45,530
I've not one last point to be made

785
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:47,450
because it's an important one.

786
01:09:48,130 --> 01:09:48,890
So under housing,

787
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:51,490
exhibit K, page 1832,

788
01:09:52,690 --> 01:09:54,010
the cost, the fee,

789
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:55,670
to, for a mobile home,

790
01:09:57,950 --> 01:09:59,090
of rent increased application

791
01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:59,970
in a fee of peep.

792
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:15,600
Appeals filing fee to appeal a rent increase for a mobile home resident is $3600. $3600. $3600. But yet, it's $300 to get a gun establishment permit.

793
01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:29,940
If you're living in a mobile home and you're appealing a rent increase, which typically are not so much, to charge a $3600 fee to appeal

794
01:10:29,940 --> 01:10:35,960
that rent increases just astronomical, and I think that at a minimum should be at least one

795
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,020
of the change we make, but I'd like to say, and we'll hear from public comment on whether

796
01:10:40,020 --> 01:10:47,600
or not any of what the public feels, but the mobile home rent appeal fee, I think, should

797
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:53,760
be a diminimous, and then we shouldn't increase the gun establishment kind of fee.

798
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,020
Let's do the public comment now, is there anyone that wishes to speak on this item?

799
01:10:59,020 --> 01:11:02,060
We'll start with Mr. Shankman and then go to the cards.

800
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,840
So, I actually just want to address that last point.

801
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:10,060
I'm actually the chair of the Malibu Mobile Home Rent Stabilization Commission.

802
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,040
And our appeal fee is exactly zero dollars.

803
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,020
So, I agree with Council Member Alexander Com.

804
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:22,060
Is there anyone else who wish to speak, Mr. Gaiga?

805
01:11:24,460 --> 01:11:27,020
I appreciate what Mr. Lowell was saying here.

806
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:32,200
You know, I've been up here many, many times in the last several months, talking about how

807
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,580
onerous the cost of everything here is.

808
01:11:34,860 --> 01:11:39,840
And we all know how it works and the cost of fuel is high, the cost of everything is high.

809
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,140
When the tax is, you know, sales taxes are high, they're tax is very, they're cost of everything

810
01:11:43,140 --> 01:11:43,620
is high.

811
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:49,240
So for the city to try and do anything that they can to alleviate that, for the residents,

812
01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:51,700
I just think that's kind of a no-brainer.

813
01:11:52,220 --> 01:11:53,960
I thank you for bringing that up.

814
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:59,400
I wish the city staff would thought about that on their own, because we're not like an empty pocket here.

815
01:12:00,140 --> 01:12:05,400
It's how much is enough, I think we've already reached that point, so thank you for bringing it up.

816
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:07,580
Anybody else, which to speak?

817
01:12:12,580 --> 01:12:19,960
Yeah, I want to take just 30 seconds because I had a intensive conversation with City Manager Sal about this.

818
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,140
I don't know how much loud it could be

819
01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:27,920
then Councilwoman Larkone's voice.

820
01:12:28,860 --> 01:12:30,820
And, sir, we agree on something.

821
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:33,340
I'm very glad.

822
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:34,760
I'm very glad.

823
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:35,780
I agree on something.

824
01:12:36,980 --> 01:12:37,960
And I did request.

825
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,020
Think about this a little longer.

826
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:42,900
Include Andrea and the process.

827
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:44,620
Eric, you're up for reelection.

828
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,160
Ms. Beninquord, you told me you want to run another four years.

829
01:12:47,700 --> 01:12:49,040
This is just not the right thing,

830
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,480
because people are going to remember November.

831
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,900
Anybody else want to speak?

832
01:12:55,580 --> 01:12:57,080
We have Eugene Hernandez.

833
01:13:01,340 --> 01:13:02,120
Anyone else?

834
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:09,240
Jeremiah Fro?

835
01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:10,820
I live in District 3.

836
01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:13,360
Just some concerning things that I heard.

837
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:15,920
Number one from Miss Alicon.

838
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,900
I really don't appreciate the way that it feels like you're kind of assaulting the second amendment to be honest.

839
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,940
I don't feel like you have adequate respect for the second amendment.

840
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:30,920
Because it seems like you want to maybe price people out of being able to deal in the second amendment.

841
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,180
And that's what it is when you're dealing guns,

842
01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:33,200
you're dealing in the second amendment.

843
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:34,680
I don't think that should be something

844
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,320
that should be priced out of.

845
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:37,640
I think that's quite ridiculous, actually.

846
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:40,520
I think you, Mr. Loa, for bringing up the fact

847
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,660
that we want Palmdale to be a place that's

848
01:13:42,660 --> 01:13:44,520
friendly for businesses and friendly for development.

849
01:13:45,220 --> 01:13:47,160
And I think when you add this 4%,

850
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,580
look, it might not sound a lot, but with about the next 2%

851
01:13:49,580 --> 01:13:51,540
of the out after that, and the next 5% of that,

852
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,800
and then another 5%, we want some place to be friendly

853
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:56,380
for businesses.

854
01:13:56,860 --> 01:13:58,120
So I think we're bringing that up.

855
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,900
So I'm completely against any raise of this text,

856
01:14:01,940 --> 01:14:03,640
whatsoever, or these fees I should say.

857
01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:04,820
Thank you.

858
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:07,860
Anyone else?

859
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:11,060
We're closing the public comment on this section.

860
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,760
Council discussion, anybody have anything else?

861
01:14:14,060 --> 01:14:15,060
They wish to say it in the matter.

862
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,820
All I can tell you is that, as is presented today,

863
01:14:18,820 --> 01:14:19,880
I can't support this.

864
01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:22,660
It definitely needs to come back.

865
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:23,700
It's just a matter of when.

866
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,920
You want to freeze everything and discuss this in a year,

867
01:14:27,180 --> 01:14:29,540
or you want time to go through it.

868
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,860
No, we always kick the, we gotta take care of business now.

869
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:35,100
I mean, let's get it done.

870
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,660
And if we can, if we can provide relief to our residents,

871
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:38,560
let's get it done.

872
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,960
And if we're having meetings once a month,

873
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:44,620
we've got, that gives us what three weeks to work on it.

874
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:44,900
I'm just saying.

875
01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:46,800
Oh, we're having a second meeting in August, OK, great.

876
01:14:47,620 --> 01:14:51,540
But I don't know that we're going to need a whole lot of fine tuning,

877
01:14:51,740 --> 01:14:54,840
but there are some, you know, big ticket items per se

878
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,280
that we could just adjust in a week.

879
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,700
And it's not going to take a whole lot

880
01:14:58,700 --> 01:14:59,580
effort.

881
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,860
I'm happy to help. I'm always available to help and consider me a resource always. But I don't

882
01:15:06,860 --> 01:15:10,920
know, I don't, I could not support pushing this for a year. We don't have to put a time on it now.

883
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:14,580
We can have those conversations and then bring it back to the agenda, right?

884
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:21,260
I think we should schedule it for the next regularly scheduled agenda. I don't know it's really that complicated.

885
01:15:22,580 --> 01:15:27,320
Are you sure that's enough time? I don't see why not. Is there, I mean, are you guys going to participate?

886
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:36,080
I'm happy to do it, but what I'd like to see is what the impact is going to be.

887
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:47,380
I don't know whether in your prediction for the budget for 2627, you kind of included a 3.8% increase

888
01:15:47,380 --> 01:15:55,520
across the board on these fees. Did you do that? Because if you did, I don't recall that that was

889
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,040
and item that was presented to Council.

890
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:02,660
And I think it was a incorrect assumption to make that,

891
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,000
because this is an issue that comes up every year.

892
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,840
And every year, we've voiced the same concerns,

893
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,480
particularly in light of the fact that the people

894
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,720
of this city have voted for these tax increases.

895
01:16:15,620 --> 01:16:18,240
And what's the benefit that they're getting from that?

896
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:23,080
And so I think that if you baked in a 3.8%

897
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,040
across the board for service fees.

898
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:28,280
That was not right.

899
01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:33,320
And so we need to make an adjustment there.

900
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:35,780
And and figure some other way.

901
01:16:36,780 --> 01:16:39,400
I mean, I don't know what you would do.

902
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,600
I know budgets are fiscally tight,

903
01:16:42,060 --> 01:16:44,760
but we can't keep imposing burdens on our people.

904
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,280
We have to stop that.

905
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,820
And we also have to encourage people to invest in Palmdale.

906
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:54,080
I mean, but today I don't think this flies.

907
01:16:54,860 --> 01:16:56,340
Who would like to make the motion?

908
01:16:56,660 --> 01:16:58,300
I'll make the motion to table the item.

909
01:16:58,400 --> 01:16:58,720
Second.

910
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:00,680
Intel.

911
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:02,240
Can we do a date certain?

912
01:17:02,620 --> 01:17:07,360
So if you have a maybe two meetings from now?

913
01:17:07,540 --> 01:17:07,720
Okay.

914
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:08,920
Thank you for some time.

915
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:09,400
Okay.

916
01:17:09,740 --> 01:17:11,840
We'll table it until September.

917
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:12,980
No, we don't.

918
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,220
We need to do a vote on that.

919
01:17:14,260 --> 01:17:14,960
That's the motion.

920
01:17:15,180 --> 01:17:15,920
I'm going to bring the motion.

921
01:17:16,220 --> 01:17:16,300
Okay.

922
01:17:16,460 --> 01:17:17,100
It's all September.

923
01:17:18,180 --> 01:17:18,980
All in favor say aye.

924
01:17:21,410 --> 01:17:22,570
What's the word above?

925
01:17:23,610 --> 01:17:24,590
Passage unanimously.

926
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:29,110
Our 7.1.

927
01:17:30,190 --> 01:17:31,530
We get the staff report, please.

928
01:17:32,330 --> 01:17:32,850
Oh, I'm sorry.

929
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:35,210
Can you read the title of the resolution?

930
01:17:35,730 --> 01:17:40,090
A resolution of the City Council of the City of Palmdale to delay the phased implementation

931
01:17:40,090 --> 01:17:43,270
of the transactions and use tax increase,

932
01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:48,050
authorized by AB2443, and enacted by Measure PD.

933
01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:52,710
Good evening.

934
01:17:53,650 --> 01:18:02,650
This item presented before you this evening is a resolution to further delay the phase implementation of the remaining .5%

935
01:18:02,650 --> 01:18:07,670
measure PD sales tax that was approved in,

936
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:14,450
sorry. The initial resolution was adopted

937
01:18:14,450 --> 01:18:21,770
back in December of 2024 and we had filed a phase implementation when we implemented

938
01:18:21,770 --> 01:18:30,990
measure PD. That implementation took into account the initial 0.75% that took effect

939
01:18:30,990 --> 01:18:42,310
that's already taken effect and the additional 0.5% was slated to take effect with 0.25%

940
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:46,690
on January 1st of 2028 and 0.25 on January 1st of 2029.

941
01:18:47,550 --> 01:18:53,170
We are coming to you today with a recommendation to delay that for a period of seven years.

942
01:18:53,170 --> 01:19:01,530
We have worked closely with the CDTFA, the California Department of Tax and Feed Administration.

943
01:19:02,770 --> 01:19:09,170
On this solution and they are on board with what we have proposed here, we do and would

944
01:19:09,170 --> 01:19:14,510
have the ability also to reevaluate before that seven year period to determine if the city

945
01:19:14,510 --> 01:19:19,290
wishes to go forward and implement at that time or if we're still in a position that we'd

946
01:19:19,290 --> 01:19:26,670
to further delay. So what we have here is a proposal to adopt the resolution with 0.25 taking

947
01:19:26,670 --> 01:19:35,450
effect on January 1st of 2035 and the remaining 0.25% to take effect on January 1st of 2036.

948
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:45,410
I'm available for any questions. I just want clarity. The staff report says I think it's incorrect.

949
01:19:46,610 --> 01:19:57,610
It says that under measure PD, at three-quarter increase tick effect, on April 1st, that we have, it was three-quarters percent on April 1st of 2025.

950
01:19:58,410 --> 01:19:59,970
If the full measure PD was one.

951
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:10,440
And we deferred half. How is it? I believe it was the combination of the LA County measure A, along with measure

952
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:16,800
PD's implementation at the same time, but it was three quarters per cent. Okay, but not all of that three quarters was

953
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:29,980
measure PD, right? So in this matter, this item is measure PD. That was all measure PD, with three quarters per cent

954
01:20:29,980 --> 01:20:33,620
but I didn't know we implemented three quarters.

955
01:20:34,540 --> 01:20:36,640
Yeah, I guess what's to be anyway.

956
01:20:37,940 --> 01:20:43,480
Okay, I guess my question is, and this was an amended motion.

957
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,640
This was brought back as an amended motion.

958
01:20:45,780 --> 01:20:49,120
My original motion was to fully repeal measure feeding.

959
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,280
From the outset of it, since its inception, I've opposed it,

960
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:57,880
because it is a tax and I think it was sold to the voters or something other than what it is.

961
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:07,840
This leaves in place, which is saying that three-fourths increase as is, yes, it differs

962
01:21:08,860 --> 01:21:14,420
the remaining half until 2035 and 2036, but we're going to push it out that far.

963
01:21:14,860 --> 01:21:16,860
Why don't we just end it?

964
01:21:17,180 --> 01:21:18,500
Why do we do it here?

965
01:21:20,220 --> 01:21:22,540
Why hang on to it for nine years?

966
01:21:22,540 --> 01:21:30,330
It's my understanding that if we release it, then other entities have the opportunity to grab that tax.

967
01:21:30,970 --> 01:21:30,990
No.

968
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:32,270
Like the county.

969
01:21:33,210 --> 01:21:38,790
If we were to repeal entirely, that would need to go back to the voters to repeal completely.

970
01:21:38,990 --> 01:21:42,690
What this council has, the ability to do is via resolution.

971
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:48,150
This is what we've been informed by CDTFA, and that's why we brought this proposal forward.

972
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:52,250
Via resolution, we have the ability to defer.

973
01:21:53,190 --> 01:21:59,670
I think that was the misconception with measure pity and the mantra was keep Palm Bill dollars

974
01:21:59,670 --> 01:22:00,050
here.

975
01:22:00,450 --> 01:22:06,010
But that's not what it did, it just increased the local sales tax to the maximum of the

976
01:22:06,010 --> 01:22:12,610
sand possible and then with the legislative raise of the cap, that's why how we ended

977
01:22:12,610 --> 01:22:13,270
here.

978
01:22:14,350 --> 01:22:20,030
It is what it is we call it a spade, it was a tax outright, there was no keeping Palm

979
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:24,250
bill dollars here and we're keeping the county from, we are obligated to pay the county

980
01:22:24,250 --> 01:22:30,710
a chair. We can't just like hide and evade contributing to those county taxes.

981
01:22:32,190 --> 01:22:38,570
So I just, I also support this, if this is the only thing that the council will do, but

982
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:43,570
I think that we should continue to consider, and I would hope that this council given everything

983
01:22:43,570 --> 01:22:49,250
that you guys have just said, we all understand that everybody is hurting. Why, if we have

984
01:22:49,250 --> 01:22:52,450
the power, last council meeting, everybody was going

985
01:22:52,450 --> 01:22:55,210
whole about putting on the ballot, the at large mayor,

986
01:22:55,290 --> 01:22:57,750
and everybody moved expeditiously to get it on the ballot.

987
01:22:58,250 --> 01:23:01,230
This is equally important to people, day-to-day lives.

988
01:23:02,350 --> 01:23:04,710
And this could mean the make-up break between somebody having

989
01:23:04,710 --> 01:23:07,070
a roof over their head or being homeless, living in a car,

990
01:23:07,670 --> 01:23:09,450
not being able to provide food for their children.

991
01:23:09,970 --> 01:23:12,690
I mean, this has real life ramifications.

992
01:23:13,450 --> 01:23:16,090
And if we have the power to put it on the ballot and put it

993
01:23:16,090 --> 01:23:18,230
to the voters whether or not they want to repeal it,

994
01:23:18,230 --> 01:23:22,790
So that now that they understand what it really is, give them the voice.

995
01:23:23,070 --> 01:23:25,550
Let them choose whether or not they want to leave it in place.

996
01:23:26,290 --> 01:23:34,450
So I'm going to renew my preference to have, move forward with the full repeal, and I'll

997
01:23:34,450 --> 01:23:35,650
just leave you guys with that.

998
01:23:37,770 --> 01:23:41,310
If I did no better, I'd think the Councilwoman in this Republic on.

999
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:45,190
But I appreciate your comments.

1000
01:23:46,350 --> 01:23:47,510
In any event,

1001
01:23:49,850 --> 01:23:55,890
it is what it is and it is an important measure that was made so that the

1002
01:23:55,890 --> 01:24:01,330
city of Pondilka control the monies that flow from those two tax measures but the people

1003
01:24:01,330 --> 01:24:08,850
need to get something for it and that's what has to be always at the forefront of whatever

1004
01:24:08,850 --> 01:24:14,850
budget we're proposing as the years go along here and I think that the people are intelligent

1005
01:24:14,850 --> 01:24:21,090
and enough to understand that both of those measures would be made with the intent to keep the

1006
01:24:21,090 --> 01:24:26,010
tax dollars here so that the county couldn't come in and grab that money. And they just

1007
01:24:26,010 --> 01:24:33,190
did a work around, right? But this latest measure for hospitals and whatever this was, that all

1008
01:24:33,190 --> 01:24:39,310
of a sudden passed at the last minute. It was failing. And then it passed. Interesting approach.

1009
01:24:40,230 --> 01:24:44,750
But in any event, I guess they went to the legislature. I didn't follow it that closely.

1010
01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:51,970
but I understand he went to the legislature and they again made it possible for the county to again go out and tax an increase.

1011
01:24:53,170 --> 01:24:59,970
I'll be shocked if there's any value return to the people of the county of law.

1012
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:16,180
General Sanjalists, in terms of emergency or mental health or anything else that was supposed to address. If any of that should come to pass, I think what we're going to do is create more bureaucracies that will be the last thing on their mind to eliminate the problems that they're supposed to be addressing.

1013
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:26,720
Kind of like the homeless issue. All of the money that is being raised. And what's happened in the last year? Increases in the population of homelessness.

1014
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,380
What that is in Humine.

1015
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:39,400
Talk about caring for people and we've just passed large tax measures to fund these bureaucracies,

1016
01:25:40,260 --> 01:25:43,620
and the result of it is an increase in the homeless population.

1017
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:48,020
Oh, yeah, we just get rid of them off of the streets so we can have a world cup.

1018
01:25:48,700 --> 01:25:51,480
Oh, yeah, and the Olympics are coming and where we're going to put them.

1019
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,880
One suggestion was by a candidate for Mayor of Los Angeles, Mr. Potomac, Palmdale.

1020
01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:06,760
We will not accept other people's problems, but it is a terrible issue for the people that are affected by homelessness.

1021
01:26:07,980 --> 01:26:16,240
It is inhumane and yet all these tax measures that get passed do nothing to address the problem in effect.

1022
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,100
Anyway, thank you.

1023
01:26:19,140 --> 01:26:19,320
Yeah.

1024
01:26:19,420 --> 01:26:19,660
Something below.

1025
01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:20,580
Just a real quick.

1026
01:26:20,740 --> 01:26:25,600
As a proud lifelong Democrat, I, too, was shocked when I was the only person in the

1027
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,440
Antelope Valley who opposed Measure P.D.

1028
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,760
Well, you, okay.

1029
01:26:30,980 --> 01:26:32,140
I won't speak to that.

1030
01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:32,560
Okay.

1031
01:26:33,140 --> 01:26:34,460
Let's get back there.

1032
01:26:36,580 --> 01:26:39,520
One, I think any conversation about taking it back to the voter.

1033
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,620
We missed the deadlines for the LA County consolidated elections.

1034
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:48,200
It would have had it got approved by the County Board of Supervisors to put it on the elections.

1035
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:49,220
We missed that timeline.

1036
01:26:49,460 --> 01:26:54,780
I think for now, the best thing we can do is defer the implementation.

1037
01:26:56,620 --> 01:27:00,320
You said it was going to be deferred till 2035 and 2036.

1038
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:07,560
But does that give future councils the discretion to keep deferring it?

1039
01:27:07,660 --> 01:27:09,680
Like it does not need to be implemented again.

1040
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,980
It's just going to bring back the conversation then, correct?

1041
01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:19,060
Correct. If this resolution tonight is adopted, this would be filed with CDTFA, and it

1042
01:27:19,060 --> 01:27:24,960
would be scheduled as such. However, the Council or Future Council does have the option

1043
01:27:25,860 --> 01:27:31,160
to bring forward another resolution prior to those dates and further delay.

1044
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:37,200
So we also have the ability because the way the resolution that allowed us to defer

1045
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:39,780
It's pretty flexible.

1046
01:27:40,340 --> 01:27:43,460
We could stop the implementation fully right now.

1047
01:27:43,540 --> 01:27:45,840
We don't need to, we don't need to repeat it.

1048
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:46,960
Our last question is in the answer was no.

1049
01:27:47,100 --> 01:27:48,300
Once it already is implemented,

1050
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,580
you can't take it off without the voter correct?

1051
01:27:51,380 --> 01:27:54,460
We were told that it would need to go back to the voter too.

1052
01:27:54,580 --> 01:27:56,920
It says the city may face the further

1053
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,160
otherwise implement and collect the lower rate.

1054
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,000
Why can't we do that now?

1055
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,080
I have worked with these staff.

1056
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:14,120
that's what it says for multiple months and we have been informed that this is the the method that we

1057
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:18,860
would need to go forward and that we would have the option to further delay via resolution in that

1058
01:28:18,860 --> 01:28:28,080
is so. We can delay can we can delay the full implementation of of measure PD not the portion that's

1059
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:36,220
already implemented is my understanding. Okay I wouldn't I would like to suggest that we get a more clear

1060
01:28:36,220 --> 01:28:42,980
legal analysis of that point, because I disagree, and if there is a will, there's a way we

1061
01:28:42,980 --> 01:28:47,540
can get it done. We don't need to take this. We couldn't do this when I introduced my motion

1062
01:28:47,540 --> 01:28:51,880
and we had a discussion last month, but then the desire was to bring it back as this

1063
01:28:51,880 --> 01:29:00,400
resolution now. But since we're here, if we can, if we can stall 100 percent of the implementation

1064
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,220
of the Measure PD tax increase we should.

1065
01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:04,260
The reason it's coming.

1066
01:29:06,060 --> 01:29:13,600
Mr. Mendez, how much does Measure A.V. produce in tax revenue to the city?

1067
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:14,460
It is for A.V.

1068
01:29:14,500 --> 01:29:15,100
And how much?

1069
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,420
No, no, I mean A.V. and then also P.V.

1070
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,380
22, 20, 27 million.

1071
01:29:23,020 --> 01:29:23,980
P.D. or A.V.

1072
01:29:24,340 --> 01:29:25,660
They're the same at this point.

1073
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,520
27 million, that's 54 million.

1074
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:40,000
Okay. So in the study that that's being suggested here, can we try to figure out, you know, what we're going to cut in order to address that 57 million dollar shortfall.

1075
01:29:40,300 --> 01:29:42,240
Yeah. 54 million.

1076
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:49,840
That's exactly what I was going to suggest is like back to the the fee item. We need time to go through it to see what needs to be adjusted.

1077
01:29:50,540 --> 01:29:56,440
With the implementation of measure PD, one, we need the clarification if we can remove it after it was implemented.

1078
01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:59,860
that it was my understanding we could not, so we do need clarity on that.

1079
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:09,500
But if we did have the ability to fully take it off the books, we do have to find a replacement for that $27 million, because things were already programmed in the budget.

1080
01:30:10,180 --> 01:30:18,260
So what I think my motion is, if we do pull a comment, let's do that right now.

1081
01:30:18,260 --> 01:30:20,080
Don't go too far, Miss Samsung.

1082
01:30:21,020 --> 01:30:22,240
We have Dr. Thorinado.

1083
01:30:27,420 --> 01:30:28,000
Remember, November.

1084
01:30:29,180 --> 01:30:31,760
Delaney tax increase is not tax relief.

1085
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:34,720
Let's stop calling this tax relief.

1086
01:30:35,540 --> 01:30:37,600
11 and a quarter percent of nearly 10 years

1087
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:38,380
is not relief.

1088
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:42,060
It's punishment for the people who can at least afford it.

1089
01:30:42,260 --> 01:30:44,920
The reality is this, Mr. Law.

1090
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,760
In a city of more than 106,000 people,

1091
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:55,800
only about 27,000 people voted for measure P.D. 17%. The other 135,000 residents still

1092
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:00,980
get the bill. Let's stop pretending this is good news. It is simply moving the burden

1093
01:31:00,980 --> 01:31:06,440
for today's families to tomorrow's families. The people of Palmedale have had enough. They

1094
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:11,400
are tired of paying more and getting less. Every year we hear the same message. More taxes,

1095
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:16,380
more fees, more government. Meanwhile working families are drowning under inflation, housing

1096
01:31:16,380 --> 01:31:19,460
cost, utility bills, gas, groceries, and insurance.

1097
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,840
Pomdo already has one of the highest those tax in California, 11.25.

1098
01:31:25,820 --> 01:31:29,780
When the country increases a tax effect, the residents will pay 11.75.

1099
01:31:30,740 --> 01:31:34,600
Tell me why working with the Amazon Palmdale should pay higher sales tax than shoppers

1100
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,300
in some of the wealthiest communities in California.

1101
01:31:37,100 --> 01:31:40,100
There is no good news because there is one.

1102
01:31:40,580 --> 01:31:41,620
You call this delay?

1103
01:31:42,140 --> 01:31:42,920
I call it admission.

1104
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:49,580
You know, the future tax increase are too much, they are too much today, there will be

1105
01:31:49,580 --> 01:31:52,480
too much in 2035 and 2036.

1106
01:31:53,620 --> 01:31:58,840
This council should stop asking taxpayers to solve every financial problem.

1107
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,860
Government has their responsibility to control spending before it reaches deeper into the

1108
01:32:02,860 --> 01:32:03,900
pockets of working families.

1109
01:32:04,380 --> 01:32:08,280
Families have already tied in their budget, it's time for City Health to tie in their own.

1110
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:12,580
To not tell us, to don't tell us, this is for benefit.

1111
01:32:12,580 --> 01:32:18,580
to not ask us to celebrate a tax increase that has simply been placed on a shelf. We're

1112
01:32:18,580 --> 01:32:22,960
not fooled by a different date on the calendar. The people of Palmdale deserve more

1113
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:28,120
than one higher sales tax rate in the highest sales sector in the United States. We deserve

1114
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,720
an economy where families can afford to shop in their own city without feeling punishment.

1115
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:36,960
People of Palmdale deserve a city council that earns public trust before asking another

1116
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:37,360
dollar.

1117
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,000
Thank you.

1118
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,480
We have Eugene Hernandez.

1119
01:32:42,660 --> 01:32:43,540
Pass again.

1120
01:32:44,580 --> 01:32:46,380
Anyone else with cards in?

1121
01:32:46,440 --> 01:32:46,740
No.

1122
01:32:51,490 --> 01:32:56,790
So I'm not an economist, but I spent a lot of time listening to that.

1123
01:32:56,810 --> 01:33:00,010
I didn't Thomas Sol, who some of you may be familiar with.

1124
01:33:00,910 --> 01:33:04,230
I think he would tell you that one of the things that's going on here,

1125
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:08,170
if you're not just the city council in the city staff of all these fees and taxes,

1126
01:33:08,170 --> 01:33:13,290
but the county, which that's a whole lot I'd like to know how we fight the county and I mean

1127
01:33:13,290 --> 01:33:16,990
what does this city do to fight the county but that's another discussion for another time.

1128
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:23,030
But what doesn't seem to be considered is the fact that if you keep raising fees and you keep

1129
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:30,590
raising taxes on the citizenry, eventually they leave. Everybody here knows many people probably at this

1130
01:33:30,590 --> 01:33:36,990
point who have left for Texas, left for Tennessee, left for Florida and if you want to increase

1131
01:33:36,990 --> 01:33:40,770
Tax revenues, the best way to do it is to broaden your tax base.

1132
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:44,470
It's not to tax them into oblivion to where they have to leave.

1133
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:50,610
This is actually counterproductive, and I would ask the council and the city staff and whoever

1134
01:33:50,610 --> 01:33:52,950
else is involved in this to take that into consideration.

1135
01:33:53,410 --> 01:33:57,770
When people can't afford to be here anymore, you won't get their tax dollars.

1136
01:33:58,570 --> 01:33:59,390
Pretty simple.

1137
01:34:00,090 --> 01:34:04,290
You know, you think that the math is, well, we need more money so tax the people more.

1138
01:34:04,290 --> 01:34:09,010
That's not how the math really works, how it really works is people say I've had enough

1139
01:34:09,010 --> 01:34:14,430
I'm going where I can afford to live. I moved to Palmdale my family did 25 years ago

1140
01:34:14,430 --> 01:34:19,090
Because largely because it was more affordable. There were other reasons too, but that was a big one

1141
01:34:19,630 --> 01:34:21,270
It's no longer the case

1142
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:23,710
And I don't want to leave Palmdale

1143
01:34:24,210 --> 01:34:29,470
But if the people in charge keep you know putting these these bonus taxes on us

1144
01:34:30,190 --> 01:34:31,590
I'm not gonna stay

1145
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:36,810
That may make some of you happy, but nevertheless, it shouldn't be that way.

1146
01:34:37,630 --> 01:34:40,290
So please, anything you can do to relieve us of this.

1147
01:34:40,710 --> 01:34:41,770
Do it.

1148
01:34:49,690 --> 01:34:57,330
Taxes is not my forte, but when it starts impacting this part, it affects everybody I say,

1149
01:34:57,490 --> 01:34:58,150
even Republicans.

1150
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:59,890
Having said that.

1151
01:35:00,430 --> 01:35:10,110
We already know the state is 6%. We also know that 3.75 comes from District and County. And we also know that on

1152
01:35:10,110 --> 01:35:18,870
October 1st is going to go up another 0.5%. Right? 0.50. When you put it all together, explain that to the young

1153
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:29,190
children here watching this. When you defer it for another seven years, right? It's going to impact

1154
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:36,610
So, this has long-term impacts, not just for future city councils, for families who had just

1155
01:35:36,610 --> 01:35:39,070
got out of college and had trying to start their own family.

1156
01:35:39,490 --> 01:35:44,570
So, the solution right now, in my opinion, is as Ms. Adagone eloquent said, and Mr.

1157
01:35:44,650 --> 01:35:49,130
going on now, though, is, number one, stop sounding like it's a benefit for the taxpayers.

1158
01:35:49,970 --> 01:35:55,190
Because it impacts this enfranchised and marginalized communities.

1159
01:35:55,190 --> 01:36:00,450
people who want to make chains like yourselves in the city console want to present the right

1160
01:36:00,450 --> 01:36:01,090
tax.

1161
01:36:01,350 --> 01:36:04,950
Because I understand that in order to run a city, yeah, you need a tax.

1162
01:36:05,170 --> 01:36:10,590
But this right here, the highest tax in California, how do you sell that to the average

1163
01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:13,310
pair who's just trying to pay their rent?

1164
01:36:13,870 --> 01:36:15,930
And by the way, they will be priced out.

1165
01:36:16,010 --> 01:36:20,850
Because when you see this in public, guess what an owner of a property wants to do?

1166
01:36:21,810 --> 01:36:22,830
Raise it again.

1167
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:30,870
And again, and again, and who's the one impact in the one who's just trying to live check to check and provide for their family.

1168
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:35,270
So I believe we have a console who has great common sense.

1169
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:44,990
You have two lawyers here and two other representatives can come to a solution that really looks out for the best interest of the everyday taxpayer here in Palmdale.

1170
01:36:45,550 --> 01:36:46,290
Thank you.

1171
01:36:50,020 --> 01:36:50,980
Please note.

1172
01:36:52,970 --> 01:36:53,930
No clotting for taxes.

1173
01:36:54,050 --> 01:36:54,510
Thank you, Mayor.

1174
01:36:54,510 --> 01:36:59,470
to conclude Dr. Coronado's comments, the people of Palmdale deserve better than one of

1175
01:36:59,470 --> 01:37:03,450
the highest sales tax rates in the United States. We deserve an economy where families

1176
01:37:03,450 --> 01:37:07,350
can afford to shop in their own city without feeling punished at the cash register. The

1177
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:10,930
people of Palmdale deserve a city council that earns the public's trust before asking

1178
01:37:10,930 --> 01:37:15,590
for another dollar. I am not asking you to delay these tax increases, I am asking you to

1179
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:21,170
repeal them. Bring Palmdale sales tax down to 10.25 like Malibu, where Larry Ellison

1180
01:37:21,170 --> 01:37:28,230
worth more than $300 billion owns a home, or 9.75% like Beverly Hills, where Jeff Bezos

1181
01:37:28,230 --> 01:37:33,730
worth more than $240 billion owns, one of the most expensive estates in America, or even

1182
01:37:33,730 --> 01:37:40,530
7.75% like Laguna Beach, where Lancaster Mayor, RX Terrace, chosen purchased a $6.6 million

1183
01:37:40,530 --> 01:37:41,230
home.

1184
01:37:42,190 --> 01:37:46,770
Apparently, the majority of the billionaires worth $100 billion is their lower sales taxes

1185
01:37:46,770 --> 01:37:48,310
in the heart of your family is a palm deal.

1186
01:37:48,670 --> 01:37:50,710
And Dr. Coronara reported to remember November.

1187
01:37:51,710 --> 01:37:53,190
What I would like to add, Council,

1188
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:54,730
is that when we talk about the increase

1189
01:37:54,730 --> 01:37:57,290
in the Latino community, there have been several reports

1190
01:37:57,290 --> 01:37:59,370
regarding changes to federal integration enforcement.

1191
01:37:59,790 --> 01:38:01,610
And the impact that has had on businesses in Los Angeles,

1192
01:38:02,030 --> 01:38:03,910
where many of our residents are paying,

1193
01:38:04,010 --> 01:38:06,910
excuse me, you formally employed, or are currently employed,

1194
01:38:07,410 --> 01:38:09,710
in restaurants and commerce centers,

1195
01:38:10,050 --> 01:38:11,090
where they don't have the foot traffic,

1196
01:38:11,250 --> 01:38:14,210
and they don't have the revenue coming

1197
01:38:14,210 --> 01:38:16,750
into their businesses the way they used to before.

1198
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:19,070
These people are also paying higher taxes.

1199
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:20,870
So when we talk about tax increases

1200
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:21,990
amongst the Latino community,

1201
01:38:22,350 --> 01:38:24,550
we're not just looking at the city's taxes on paper,

1202
01:38:24,650 --> 01:38:26,490
we're looking at the larger macroeconomic picture.

1203
01:38:27,090 --> 01:38:28,510
And like Dr. Coronado says,

1204
01:38:28,650 --> 01:38:31,210
if we have higher sales taxes in some of the wealthiest communities

1205
01:38:32,030 --> 01:38:34,590
in California, then as a lifelong person

1206
01:38:34,590 --> 01:38:37,250
who has refused to admit what party preference I have,

1207
01:38:38,710 --> 01:38:41,110
I would, I would wager, I would agree with Mr. Lola

1208
01:38:41,110 --> 01:38:42,010
and Mrs. Dutton Court.

1209
01:38:42,230 --> 01:38:43,050
Thank you so much.

1210
01:38:50,180 --> 01:38:52,040
Good afternoon, everyone.

1211
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,120
I'm a new resident in PAM though.

1212
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,500
I've been to the meeting of humble times.

1213
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,500
I watched the meeting from my house a couple of times.

1214
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:05,580
And it seems like taxes is just a popular word here.

1215
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,740
It's just every time taxes, taxes, taxes, but not lowering taxes and increasing taxes.

1216
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,400
And as a new resident, I'm not happy about it.

1217
01:39:13,900 --> 01:39:14,900
Something is to happen.

1218
01:39:14,900 --> 01:39:20,180
This only shows lack of leadership from all of you.

1219
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:21,900
This is just not okay.

1220
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:23,500
Something is to happen.

1221
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:26,460
I hope it happens soon as possible.

1222
01:39:26,780 --> 01:39:27,640
There is no time to wait.

1223
01:39:27,820 --> 01:39:28,600
There is time to waste.

1224
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:29,460
It is to happen.

1225
01:39:30,020 --> 01:39:30,660
Thank you.

1226
01:39:32,180 --> 01:39:32,740
Anyone else?

1227
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:34,440
Very yes.

1228
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:39,340
Since Mr. Olsen was kind enough to invite me to speak.

1229
01:39:39,340 --> 01:39:47,280
well now they're proposing to defer a tax increase and people get up and speak

1230
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:57,160
against that. Have you all gone insane? Let's defer the taxes till 2050. Keep

1231
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,980
deferring them. This is a good thing for the-

1232
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:10,220
The residents. So I was astounded to hear people speak against deferring these tax increases. Thank you.

1233
01:40:10,220 --> 01:40:10,860
All right.

1234
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:15,280
Oh, we got a medical visitor from my son and George White sites.

1235
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:16,000
Come on up.

1236
01:40:17,060 --> 01:40:18,360
You want to speak on taxes?

1237
01:40:20,620 --> 01:40:21,180
The forum.

1238
01:40:21,860 --> 01:40:23,140
So you got a great event out there.

1239
01:40:23,180 --> 01:40:27,020
Thank you

1240
01:40:31,210 --> 01:40:31,470
very much.

1241
01:40:31,550 --> 01:40:32,210
Thank you very much.

1242
01:40:32,210 --> 01:40:36,290
Congress member White Sides. Thank you so much for coming out.

1243
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:44,680
Congress member, come up to the

1244
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:51,300
mic. Come up to the mic. Congress member, so the listening public can hear you, they can't hear you.

1245
01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:58,140
And did you mean that? Yeah. Welcome. We're thrilled that you're here. Okay. I just wanted to say hello.

1246
01:40:58,660 --> 01:41:04,360
And thank you for all you do for our community. And you got a great event outside. So yeah. Thank you.

1247
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,120
on George White's side's local carnage.

1248
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:06,580
No, okay.

1249
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:07,880
I mean, yeah.

1250
01:41:08,060 --> 01:41:11,320
Thank you for the dollars that are coming our way as well.

1251
01:41:11,780 --> 01:41:17,240
And maybe for working in a nonpartisan or bipartisan way with us, you know, it's

1252
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:21,800
always a battle in Washington, but here we're very local and we're comfortable working together.

1253
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:22,720
It's absolutely right.

1254
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:23,120
Thank you.

1255
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:26,920
And for those that aren't aware, whenever we go to DC, Congress member White

1256
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,360
size has an open door policy.

1257
01:41:29,620 --> 01:41:30,480
He welcomes us.

1258
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:30,980
He sits with us.

1259
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:32,680
He doesn't just have us meet with staff.

1260
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:39,500
He sits with us personally. He understands and listens to all of our issues. We bring him binders of all of these funding requests

1261
01:41:39,500 --> 01:41:46,060
And he actually reads them and he actually delivers and he's he's produced millions of dollars for our community

1262
01:41:46,060 --> 01:41:49,300
So we owe a debt of gratitude to our Congressmember White. So thank you

1263
01:41:53,990 --> 01:42:01,230
Okay, that was a little on north of Docs, but he has given this city a lot of money. So we'll allow it

1264
01:42:01,230 --> 01:42:02,530
Wait, hold on.

1265
01:42:03,370 --> 01:42:06,710
Is there anyone else that wishes to speak on this, because we'll have another chance

1266
01:42:06,710 --> 01:42:07,490
of discussion here?

1267
01:42:07,690 --> 01:42:08,330
Anyone else?

1268
01:42:08,570 --> 01:42:10,370
Okay, we're closing public comment on this item.

1269
01:42:10,590 --> 01:42:10,810
Go ahead.

1270
01:42:11,110 --> 01:42:11,350
Thank you.

1271
01:42:11,790 --> 01:42:16,010
So, I know that we missed the opportunity to get it on the ballot for the November election.

1272
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:19,090
But what is the next election that we could put that on the ballot?

1273
01:42:19,190 --> 01:42:22,090
To actually repeal it, because this is the public has to repeal it, right?

1274
01:42:22,370 --> 01:42:25,370
The next primary and the last one we do is stand the low in the election.

1275
01:42:25,690 --> 01:42:27,390
Well, that was very, very, very costly.

1276
01:42:27,390 --> 01:42:32,670
I know that it's very costly, but I'd like to see the numbers for special election, because

1277
01:42:32,670 --> 01:42:37,370
you know, originally I came in on a special election years ago, years and years and years ago

1278
01:42:37,370 --> 01:42:43,990
when Steve Knight stepped down. So I know that special elections can take place. I just don't know

1279
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:55,390
at what cost, I mean every. Why don't we include that in our analysis of where we're going to

1280
01:42:55,390 --> 01:42:58,710
repeal this measure, right? We have to look at the fiscal impact.

1281
01:42:59,150 --> 01:43:05,370
We can suspend it, like we're going to do now. And then, at the next election, we know we can't.

1282
01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:10,270
Not the what's up. We suspend the future, but not what's already on the books. We need clarification for that.

1283
01:43:12,170 --> 01:43:14,570
So, 2828 would be the soonest week of how the public voted.

1284
01:43:14,590 --> 01:43:18,610
Yeah, no, I think what Councillor Wetton Court is suggesting is actually, I mean, she gets possible,

1285
01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:22,310
whether it's the will and the council is another thing, but it's possible. We can do two things

1286
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:28,390
simultaneously, we can defer per second to the resolution that's presented to us today to 2035 and 2036.

1287
01:43:29,150 --> 01:43:36,810
While we also explore the possibility and the financial ramifications of a repeal on both

1288
01:43:36,810 --> 01:43:39,090
a special election and the next primary election.

1289
01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:42,610
Okay, we could put all that in the analysis.

1290
01:43:43,230 --> 01:43:46,330
I just want to say, like, there's a couple of different ways to look at this.

1291
01:43:46,930 --> 01:43:50,890
So yes, Malibu has a lower tax rate, correct?

1292
01:43:50,890 --> 01:43:56,250
sales tax rate, but they have higher home values, would you agree?

1293
01:43:57,570 --> 01:43:57,570
Okay,

1294
01:43:59,690 --> 01:44:08,690
so property tax is given to each city based on a percentage negotiated with the county at time of incorporation.

1295
01:44:09,530 --> 01:44:16,590
The money we get from property tax is just a little over 6% of 1%.

1296
01:44:17,470 --> 01:44:29,290
That's not very much money, so for cities like this, we unfortunately had to put it on the ballot to let the residents decide if they can help us cover some of these costs.

1297
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:41,290
Everybody here agrees that 11.25 and now coming in October 11.75 is an extremely egregious amount for people to pay.

1298
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:49,050
of that, Palmdale is getting 2.5. Most of it is going to the state, a majority of it

1299
01:44:49,050 --> 01:44:54,650
is going to the county. So I understand the concern of the burden that it's putting on all

1300
01:44:54,650 --> 01:44:59,970
of us, but what we've been able to do with that 2.5 is create the...

1301
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,420
Community Preservation Program. We're getting to a legal dumping in graffiti in 24 hours. We're starting to take care of some of the infrastructure issues that was not addressed by previous Councils.

1302
01:45:11,740 --> 01:45:27,620
We are doing roads. We are doing a whole lot of things that was deferred. We have to take that on now. And I understand the burden it's costing everybody. But the question is, what are we doing to fight against the county? What are we doing to fight against the state?

1303
01:45:27,620 --> 01:45:35,060
because it's easy for us to get y'all that about our 2.5 of 11.75.

1304
01:45:35,620 --> 01:45:39,440
But I think the bigger argument might be, let's take the fight to the state in the county.

1305
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:44,880
Yes, 11.75 is egregious, but what services are we providing?

1306
01:45:45,480 --> 01:45:47,980
$27 million worth? Do you want to cut?

1307
01:45:49,060 --> 01:45:56,340
I think there's a couple of different ways to look at this, but I think we should approve this as is.

1308
01:45:56,340 --> 01:46:02,120
We get the analysis on what we can do in the future and then bring it back with

1309
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:07,340
Those recommendations. Yes, Mr. Lowe. So

1310
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:12,140
City of Long Beach the sales tax there's 10.5%

1311
01:46:12,980 --> 01:46:14,900
their face right now

1312
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:21,600
With a $58 million dollar budget deficit for the year 20 to 20 26 20 27

1313
01:46:22,300 --> 01:46:26,200
So what's gonna happen there in order to meet that deficit?

1314
01:46:27,260 --> 01:46:33,380
They're going to have to eliminate 413 positions in their city, and maybe that's a good thing, right?

1315
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:38,540
Because I don't know exactly my understanding of the way that the city of Palmdale is running,

1316
01:46:38,860 --> 01:46:45,280
that positions are looked at very carefully, and we have an outstanding employee base.

1317
01:46:45,780 --> 01:46:53,600
And I think that would be a difficult thing for us to do here, especially a lot of the fact that in 2001,

1318
01:46:53,600 --> 01:47:00,000
I think our employment here was around 500 employees, and then because of recessionary periods

1319
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,380
that kicked in, it got reduced by over half, right?

1320
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:07,620
But it had terrible implications for services to the residents of Palmdale.

1321
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:13,260
I mean, we've got to consider that we need to deliver services to all of the residents

1322
01:47:13,260 --> 01:47:17,940
of the city of Palmdale, regardless of where they are at, regardless of what their

1323
01:47:17,940 --> 01:47:22,960
station is, what their status is, we have to deliver services across the board.

1324
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:35,640
So they're talking about eliminating 413 positions, including 260 direct layoffs, and so when we talk about eliminating these taxes,

1325
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:48,580
yes, they are painful, but yet what it has to translate into is services that are valuable to the community as Mr. Olson has just pointed out.

1326
01:47:48,580 --> 01:47:55,520
Some of the things that are now being done because we've had these tax measures approved by the voters by the way

1327
01:47:55,520 --> 01:48:00,260
We didn't approve them. This these measures went to the voters and the voters approved them

1328
01:48:00,740 --> 01:48:05,700
Some have questioned whether the voters knew what they were doing. Well, I think that that's insulting

1329
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:08,580
Because I think that the voters do

1330
01:48:08,580 --> 01:48:14,180
Look at the ballot and they do look at the measures and then they make a determination based on that information

1331
01:48:14,180 --> 01:48:20,420
So we just have to keep in mind that because these two tax measures were passed and I'm all

1332
01:48:20,420 --> 01:48:28,000
for deferring, I'm all for deferring this into eternity, but we have to take into consideration

1333
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,720
what would happen if we in fact repealed these two tax measures.

1334
01:48:32,780 --> 01:48:38,420
And if it gets placed on the ballot in 2028 then you know they will have to be dealt with

1335
01:48:38,420 --> 01:48:39,020
at that point.

1336
01:48:39,020 --> 01:48:44,200
but consider the consequences of a, of a, of an action like that. That's all I have to say about that.

1337
01:48:44,500 --> 01:48:48,740
So I just like to follow up points first to Councilmember Lois.

1338
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:50,720
The voters are smarter.

1339
01:48:52,660 --> 01:48:59,140
Our city attorney sat here and told the voters, quote, this is not a tax.

1340
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,820
They, they supposed to believe the city attorney or not.

1341
01:49:03,820 --> 01:49:16,140
I mean, what was portrayed to our residents, I think, was disingenuous and so for us to

1342
01:49:16,140 --> 01:49:20,820
now sort of suggest that the voters are smart enough, but we've told them the Harper

1343
01:49:20,820 --> 01:49:26,340
Murns told our voters that it was not a tax, expressly quote, this is not a tax.

1344
01:49:26,340 --> 01:49:37,370
So I just want to be clear on that and then to follow up on Marylson's point about property tax in Malibu versus sales tax here.

1345
01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:46,740
When this matter came before, I was clear, in the state legislative analysis, it says sales taxes are regressive taxes.

1346
01:49:47,140 --> 01:49:50,540
They have the hardest impact on those who are cash-stacked.

1347
01:49:50,540 --> 01:49:52,580
They're the ones that are renters.

1348
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:56,700
They're the ones that are filing petitions and mobile homes

1349
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,980
because they're concerned about a $50 rent increase.

1350
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:14,640
Not the property owners. If we would have done an income tax as a different thing, but what was implemented was a regressive sales tax. It's the lowest economic factor in our community, the hardest.

1351
01:50:15,220 --> 01:50:28,560
And so I just want to make sure we're clear on what was presented to our community and how it was, and I just don't want there to be misconceptions in sort of revisionist history on what was before the voters.

1352
01:50:30,420 --> 01:50:38,540
So, I agree the previous city attorney said that this is not a new tax, and I guess we

1353
01:50:38,540 --> 01:50:40,760
can argue semantics.

1354
01:50:41,620 --> 01:50:48,040
He probably would suggest it's not a new tax mechanism, but the end result did lead to

1355
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:57,300
an increased tax, and when I bought into that at the time, I wrote the four to encourage

1356
01:50:57,300 --> 01:51:02,100
people to vote for this tax, and I repeated that saying that this is not a new tax, but

1357
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:10,600
the end result was a tax increase, so I apologize for my statement encouraging people to vote

1358
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:11,240
for that.

1359
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:16,040
It was wrong.

1360
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:23,620
So now that we know it was wrong, let's fix the wrong. Let's get it done. We can get it done.

1361
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:27,640
I think there's a way we acknowledge the wrong. Let's fix it. Let's rectify it now.

1362
01:51:29,210 --> 01:51:32,530
I think we will see if I'm there.

1363
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:37,100
I think we approve this now.

1364
01:51:37,460 --> 01:51:42,680
We bring back what we can do in the future on what has already been implemented.

1365
01:51:43,780 --> 01:51:44,560
That's my motion.

1366
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,520
Can we get a cost analysis of what the special election would cost.

1367
01:51:47,860 --> 01:51:50,220
Right, so I'll go in the analysis.

1368
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:56,100
I'll move to adopt the proposed resolution tonight to defer.

1369
01:51:56,100 --> 01:52:05,580
The 0.5 remainder of the implementation of measure PD, the first 0.25 to 2035 and the second

1370
01:52:05,580 --> 01:52:12,520
0.25 to 2036, while simultaneously directing staff in the city attorney to provide

1371
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:18,440
and working with our financial department to provide a financial analysis on the implications

1372
01:52:18,440 --> 01:52:26,060
of a full repeal, but also the cost and timelines for putting a repeal measure on either

1373
01:52:26,060 --> 01:52:29,420
a special ballot or an upcoming primary general election.

1374
01:52:29,580 --> 01:52:34,400
And that will, that study will include the budgetary impacts as well.

1375
01:52:34,700 --> 01:52:36,060
Well, that was the motion I made.

1376
01:52:36,540 --> 01:52:37,940
I just wanted to be clear and say all of that.

1377
01:52:38,420 --> 01:52:44,880
My motion, and her second, all in favor say aye, and you want to pose passes unanimously.

1378
01:52:45,500 --> 01:52:51,800
Do you want to do your city manager report now or you want to wait until after these council discussions?

1379
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:57,740
Let's go council discussions, 9.1, discussion on oversight procedures for city manager position.

1380
01:52:59,020 --> 01:53:02,920
Councilman Raleckon asked for this to be on the agenda, so I will let her start.

1381
01:53:05,580 --> 01:53:07,980
All right, so we've got a couple of these on.

1382
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:13,440
I actually was just overall was hoping that there would be some semblance of a staff report.

1383
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:41,300
I think I handed, I submitted formal motions for both the City Manager City Attorney and so I would have and I requested that a staff report be provided on the defibrillator 9.3 item. None of that was afforded, so that's slightly disappointing but in any case I'm happy to present my items 9.1, so the 9.1 specific to the City Manager.

1384
01:53:41,300 --> 01:53:48,920
So the Palmeda Municipal Code specifically dictates that the city manager works under the direction and not the pleasure of the city council.

1385
01:53:49,740 --> 01:53:54,660
Yet there currently exists very few if any oversight mechanisms for the city manager.

1386
01:53:55,140 --> 01:54:09,180
Essentially the city manager approves his own, there is a process and there are subordinates who approve certain expense reimbursements and charges to the city.

1387
01:54:09,180 --> 01:54:23,860
But there are subordinates to the city manager, which creates a conflict that puts the subordinate in a precarious position to call into question any of those expenses of your loss.

1388
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:30,320
And outside of that sort of internal process, there really exists no oversight mechanisms.

1389
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:39,500
There's also the City Manager has the authority to enter into contracts unilaterally on his own up to $125,000.

1390
01:54:39,900 --> 01:54:43,940
Doesn't have to bring it to the Council, ever? Doesn't have to tell us after he had their executed?

1391
01:54:44,860 --> 01:54:50,400
So we don't know when those contracts are entered into. I find that to be problematic.

1392
01:54:53,940 --> 01:54:58,960
So these deficiencies have gotten us into some very costly legal hot water.

1393
01:54:58,960 --> 01:54:59,980
And we're all cl-

1394
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:26,880
Here on on historically what this city has paid because of prior misconduct in the city management position. But unfortunately, those practices still continue today. I submitted, not the public records request that I have had the lawsuit based on, I submitted an additional public records request specific to city managers expenditures.

1395
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:50,540
And there was a delay in getting those documents, I got a two binder, I had to print them out because there were 65 PDFs of them and I printed them out and I have two huge binders there here and I went through them with a fine tooth comb and a lot of the practices that put us in that legal hot water but still are occurring today.

1396
01:55:50,540 --> 01:56:00,780
I do this specifically because I want to make sure that we are addressing the structural

1397
01:56:01,420 --> 01:56:07,420
problems so that we can provide the oversight necessary to ensure that our taxpayer dollars

1398
01:56:07,420 --> 01:56:08,360
are protected.

1399
01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:13,180
So expense reimbursements, travel, hotel rooms.

1400
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:19,400
There was an expenditure at the Renaissance Hotel in Palm Springs where the city manager

1401
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:22,700
to use taxpayer dollars to pay for an over $1,000

1402
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:24,740
at night hotel room.

1403
01:56:25,500 --> 01:56:28,620
And an over $200 bar tab at the hotel

1404
01:56:28,620 --> 01:56:29,860
lobby cocktail lounge.

1405
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:35,720
Two days later, he's in Vegas staying at the Trump hotel

1406
01:56:36,460 --> 01:56:39,020
in an $800 night room.

1407
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:44,120
And then flights to get to these fancy hotels.

1408
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:47,180
He booked flights in the main cabin seats.

1409
01:56:47,180 --> 01:56:59,080
But then, so those are the regular rates, right, for regular folks, then he upgraded his seats to essentially double the price.

1410
01:56:59,660 --> 01:57:03,380
Public servants don't get to upgrade on taxpayer dime.

1411
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:10,580
And then there are the elaborate meals, $500 lunches in Long Beach, $700 dinners in Vegas.

1412
01:57:10,580 --> 01:57:16,660
countless meals, and on the expense reimbursement, it says meals with, and it's

1413
01:57:16,660 --> 01:57:21,120
underscores, meal lunch with, working lunch with consultant, working lunch with

1414
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:25,820
developer. Well, that's concerning for a variety of reasons. I mean, the

1415
01:57:25,820 --> 01:57:29,000
conflicts of interest that are presented when you meet with consultants or meet

1416
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:34,580
with developers, I mean, raise red flags all over the place. We shouldn't be

1417
01:57:34,580 --> 01:57:39,800
paying for lunches with select consultants and select developers, but even though

1418
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:45,400
There were many undisclosed consultants and developers that were a couple that I found.

1419
01:57:45,820 --> 01:57:57,980
One of which, a lunch with a consultant, none other than with Willden Engineering, which is the firm that I've been raising over and over and over again in the past several months.

1420
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:04,040
Why are we having lunch with Willden when we're awarding contract after contract ever contract with them?

1421
01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:09,520
Why are we having lunches with developers feel Terry and Daniel Singh?

1422
01:58:10,220 --> 01:58:12,820
Are we meeting with every, every, every other developer?

1423
01:58:13,220 --> 01:58:16,480
I don't, I just doesn't make any sense to me.

1424
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:20,040
And then to make matters worse, I found other lunches,

1425
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:23,040
the, the million-dollar auto-mallagrements,

1426
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:26,460
were all negotiated at lunches that we paid for.

1427
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:29,640
And then, the same for AV edge.

1428
01:58:29,700 --> 01:58:32,420
On top of the $300,000 that we give them,

1429
01:58:32,420 --> 01:58:35,100
We're paying for lunches with AVH2.

1430
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:37,620
I mean, they're also council,

1431
01:58:37,620 --> 01:58:40,440
it was listed as council club rentals

1432
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:42,480
at the NLA Valley Country Club,

1433
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:45,300
presumably for golf club renters, rentals.

1434
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,000
I mean, tax payer shouldn't be paying for golf club rentals.

1435
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,160
I mean, this is just a flavorant waste of taxpayer dollars,

1436
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:52,280
and it must be stopped.

1437
01:58:53,100 --> 01:58:55,420
I'd like to hear from public comment on,

1438
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:58,100
on their suggestions on how we as a council

1439
01:58:58,100 --> 01:59:01,520
should manage and implement some,

1440
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:07,920
I think some pretty necessary, but strict oversight mechanisms for the opposite of the city manager.

1441
01:59:08,860 --> 01:59:13,980
But there's a laundry list of things that we can do, but I think we just, we've got to do something and we've got to act now.

1442
01:59:14,060 --> 01:59:20,500
This is not agenda is for public comment. Council reports and announcements request for future agenda has never been agenda is for public comment.

1443
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:25,780
I'm not going to allow it now because I think we need to get those back straight.

1444
01:59:25,780 --> 01:59:30,240
We shouldn't proceed in the way that you're proceeding. I think that

1445
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:36,620
Yes, we should know exactly what's being spent, but I think that you're creating liability here

1446
01:59:37,340 --> 01:59:42,300
I'm creating liability the liability exists already. Why are we spending a thousand dollars at a hotel?

1447
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:44,980
Why are we authorizing those expenses being authorized?

1448
01:59:48,540 --> 01:59:50,540
This is for council discussion

1449
01:59:50,540 --> 01:59:53,540
It doesn't matter, it's an agenda, it's an item like...

1450
01:59:56,380 --> 01:59:58,540
You don't need to have...

1451
01:59:59,420 --> 01:59:59,980
You don't need to...

1452
02:00:02,620 --> 02:00:21,900
I mean, whether we could argue legally all day and then whenever you take me to the mat, I step right up and I will hold this city accountable because there need to be active measures to control the taxpayer dollars.

1453
02:00:23,620 --> 02:00:25,860
Why can't we just listen to the people?

1454
02:00:25,860 --> 02:00:26,320
Why?

1455
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:27,660
We're not going to public comment.

1456
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:28,060
Why?

1457
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:29,380
Do you have...

1458
02:00:29,380 --> 02:00:29,900
No.

1459
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:33,180
Because I'm afraid the liability equates to this city.

1460
02:00:33,460 --> 02:00:34,280
We're not doing it.

1461
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:36,280
The liability equates to here from the public.

1462
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:37,080
Do you have a solution?

1463
02:00:37,300 --> 02:00:37,980
Because we're moving on.

1464
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:39,360
The liability equates.

1465
02:00:39,380 --> 02:00:39,980
What liability?

1466
02:00:40,220 --> 02:00:43,900
Please are taking the liability equates to allow the public to comment on there.

1467
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:46,800
Give us their feedback on how we should provide oversight.

1468
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:50,060
Because you clearly invited people to come here to speak.

1469
02:00:50,060 --> 02:00:56,520
This is political grandstand in and I think the liability the liability comes from this

1470
02:00:57,800 --> 02:00:59,780
Okay, yeah, okay

1471
02:01:00,620 --> 02:01:03,240
But let it pass you know public comment tonight though

1472
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:07,760
Political grandstanding is what you did with the Amar's mayor, but you

1473
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:13,720
How could you shut down the opportunity for the public top to provide their vote? We're done with that. Do you want to move on to 9.2 what do you mean?

1474
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:14,580
We're done with that

1475
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,780
That we have done nothing with that. We're not doing public comment

1476
02:01:18,780 --> 02:01:21,360
Do you want to continue the item?

1477
02:01:23,060 --> 02:01:26,040
I'm going to go found just by Google.

1478
02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:34,880
It's going to be a costly one.

1479
02:01:37,490 --> 02:01:39,890
How much bad legal advisor we need to get from our perverse.

1480
02:01:40,270 --> 02:01:40,590
Enough.

1481
02:01:52,950 --> 02:01:54,750
Do we have to take public comment yesterday?

1482
02:01:55,230 --> 02:01:55,410
No.

1483
02:01:55,590 --> 02:01:57,710
It's a discussion item on the agenda for council.

1484
02:01:57,850 --> 02:01:58,490
We're moving on.

1485
02:01:58,830 --> 02:01:59,310
Trash.

1486
02:02:04,050 --> 02:02:04,790
If I'm wrong.

1487
02:02:05,250 --> 02:02:05,910
9.2.

1488
02:02:06,090 --> 02:02:07,330
You'll deal with it if you're wrong.

1489
02:02:08,070 --> 02:02:10,790
Just like you said, you're quote with measure PD.

1490
02:02:10,970 --> 02:02:13,590
You said, if the voters don't like it, it's on me.

1491
02:02:13,590 --> 02:02:18,210
It is on you, Eric, and it's time for you to step up and take action.

1492
02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:23,290
Do something, but having a discussion, but no action, because you guys agendized it that way,

1493
02:02:23,370 --> 02:02:29,450
and you guys think that we're precluded from taking action or from hearing from our public, is completely preposterous.

1494
02:02:29,650 --> 02:02:30,830
9.2?

1495
02:02:33,100 --> 02:02:34,240
9.2? 9.2 is the word I'm not going to do anything.

1496
02:02:34,260 --> 02:02:40,580
I'm just going to continue to talk about all of its wrong, but 9.2 is self-explanatory.

1497
02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:43,480
We're getting bad legal advice.

1498
02:02:43,480 --> 02:02:51,220
I don't know why you guys continue to pursue the litigation on the CPRA, my public records

1499
02:02:51,220 --> 02:02:57,960
request on City Attorney Billing, which I won, which now is costing the City $190,000

1500
02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:00,680
on my end, $124,000 on the City's end.

1501
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:03,900
That's ridiculous amount of money on legal expenditures.

1502
02:03:05,620 --> 02:03:09,460
The City Attorney continues to provide faulty legal advice.

1503
02:03:09,980 --> 02:03:11,400
The staff reports are terrible.

1504
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:19,280
I went to a measure A.V. meeting and she was literally on the table like this and constantly

1505
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:25,840
on her cell phone. I mean, we went out. I thought we directed that we were going to go out

1506
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:33,400
to replace our city attorney. I don't know where that process stands, but something is

1507
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:39,240
to be done. I mean, enough of the bad legal advice that continues to cost this city millions.

1508
02:03:39,240 --> 02:03:45,540
If we open that process, the application period for applicants closes on the night, and then we

1509
02:03:45,540 --> 02:03:48,540
will set a special meeting to interview those guys.

1510
02:03:48,540 --> 02:03:51,500
If I wanted to have a conversation with you, Eric, I would have just called you.

1511
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:52,580
I want to hear from the people.

1512
02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:53,180
Okay.

1513
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:56,900
But we're not doing that here on this item the way it's agenda is.

1514
02:03:57,200 --> 02:03:57,460
Why not?

1515
02:03:57,460 --> 02:03:58,940
9.3.

1516
02:04:01,420 --> 02:04:02,460
9.3.

1517
02:04:03,020 --> 02:04:03,300
9.3.

1518
02:04:03,820 --> 02:04:04,720
9.3.

1519
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:06,080
9.3.

1520
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:06,980
9.3.

1521
02:04:11,730 --> 02:04:12,250
9.3.

1522
02:04:12,250 --> 02:04:12,730
9.3.

1523
02:04:12,730 --> 02:04:12,990
9.3.

1524
02:04:12,990 --> 02:04:13,650
All

1525
02:04:18,510 --> 02:04:31,890
right. Well on a much lighter note, well not lighter. It's a heavier heavier emotionally, but but I think equally important. I don't know if some of you have may have seen my post on on Facebook.

1526
02:04:33,090 --> 02:04:43,850
But when my brother Richie at the age of three was in a car accident in North Hollywood and at the time there were no pediatric trauma care centers in that area.

1527
02:04:43,850 --> 02:04:51,890
He had to be teleported from North Hollywood to Children's Hospital of L.A., and that process took

1528
02:04:51,890 --> 02:04:58,850
over an hour. What's called the Golden Hour? As soon as the time immediately following the impact of

1529
02:04:58,850 --> 02:04:59,130
drama.

1530
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,580
And so, unfortunately, the following day, he passed. Now, my father ultimately served in the California State Senate. And while he was there, he passed legislation called Richie's bill. My brother's name was Richie. He passed Richie's bill. And what it does is it generates funds. Those EMB fees and registration licensing fees that everybody hates, that that up after you get your bill. And then you're like, oh, no, what's that added on?

1531
02:05:29,580 --> 02:05:36,020
It's one of those, there's several of them, but it's one of those fees, and those fees compile

1532
02:05:36,580 --> 02:05:43,060
and are distributed statewide to establish pediatric trauma care centers across the state.

1533
02:05:43,780 --> 02:05:53,320
As a result of Richiesville, Northridge Hospital opened its first pediatric trauma care center in the San Fernando Valley,

1534
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:59,720
which would have been able to service my brother, but now is thankfully able to save lives

1535
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:07,240
of millions in the San Fernando Valley. All that to say, there's so much that we can do to save

1536
02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:15,180
lives here we can do our part. In my district, I think the slightly over a month ago, a seven-year-old boy

1537
02:06:15,180 --> 02:06:25,540
I had a hard attack, essentially had cardiac arrest on a playground in my district at a school.

1538
02:06:26,100 --> 02:06:28,940
And it got me to think, what can we do to help?

1539
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:33,620
We can't control what happens at schools, and particularly at the private school, where

1540
02:06:33,620 --> 02:06:37,640
he was attending, but we can do something on city property.

1541
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:44,840
We can provide defibrillators and make sure that staff are properly trained at all of our parks,

1542
02:06:45,180 --> 02:06:52,980
at all of our rec centers, at Dry Town, at Legacy Commons, at all of the various city properties.

1543
02:06:54,440 --> 02:07:04,820
And I asked for staff to do an analysis of which facilities we could, we have, like an inventory of the facilities that we have,

1544
02:07:04,820 --> 02:07:08,560
where we could potentially install a defibrillator

1545
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:12,520
and the cost of a defibrillator itself

1546
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:17,480
is only $157 and training, I think,

1547
02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:20,000
would also be diminished, but the value.

1548
02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:23,680
I mean, saving one life alone, I think is well worth it.

1549
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:28,720
And if we're talking about a meaningful expenditure

1550
02:07:28,720 --> 02:07:32,520
of taxpayer dollars for me, and I think for our community,

1551
02:07:32,680 --> 02:07:33,380
this is one.

1552
02:07:33,380 --> 02:07:40,540
And so I'd like to propose that we move forward with the implementation, the purchase, and

1553
02:07:40,540 --> 02:07:46,940
the implementation installation of defibrillators at all of our city properties that I've

1554
02:07:46,940 --> 02:07:52,500
listed in others that, even if I, if I, if I've omitted them that they be included as

1555
02:07:52,500 --> 02:07:57,960
well as a subsequent training for all of our staff on how to use those defibrillators.

1556
02:08:01,980 --> 02:08:06,120
No, you're not letting me make a motion, you're not letting people talk, I don't know.

1557
02:08:06,260 --> 02:08:10,960
I would love that idea, let me just say that since we're just guessing that.

1558
02:08:11,540 --> 02:08:12,040
No, it's on.

1559
02:08:12,420 --> 02:08:12,600
Oh, sorry.

1560
02:08:13,300 --> 02:08:14,320
I guess I'm too quiet.

1561
02:08:14,840 --> 02:08:15,880
No, I think that's a great idea.

1562
02:08:16,220 --> 02:08:19,860
I know that you and I a couple weeks ago were looking for medical kits and stuff inside

1563
02:08:19,860 --> 02:08:20,700
City Hall.

1564
02:08:21,140 --> 02:08:25,000
And we couldn't find the defubilators, we didn't find the medical kits and it's like we

1565
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:29,920
to get on our game here because I've been rushed to the hospital more times than I care for.

1566
02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:34,720
And it might be one of our council members, maybe my life one day. I haven't had a heart attack yet,

1567
02:08:34,980 --> 02:08:40,040
but you know, the stress sometimes gets to you. So I think everybody needs to be trained. I don't think

1568
02:08:40,040 --> 02:08:46,460
just the staff. I think the council needs to be trained. I would actually like to have the public

1569
02:08:46,460 --> 02:08:51,980
classes because like at the school or at a park, what if there's no staff available and you just

1570
02:08:51,980 --> 02:08:54,480
have someone they're going, what do I do with this thing?

1571
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:57,360
I would be nice to offer that kind of training to everyone.

1572
02:08:58,380 --> 02:09:01,820
Every minute counts, the reason I'm still talking

1573
02:09:01,820 --> 02:09:06,160
is because I had paramedic rescue within, you know,

1574
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:08,720
very short period of time, the rescue is right across the street.

1575
02:09:09,100 --> 02:09:10,880
And they got me to the hospital very, very quickly.

1576
02:09:11,020 --> 02:09:12,560
And they got me to a stroke hospital.

1577
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:14,300
So I was able to save my brain.

1578
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:17,280
But every single minute counts, I'm sorry to hear about your brother.

1579
02:09:18,060 --> 02:09:18,540
Thank you.

1580
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:21,460
And he's still saving lives and he's our little angel.

1581
02:09:21,460 --> 02:09:28,940
Well, I guess I'm confused because when we had discussions, preliminary discussions, at the

1582
02:09:28,940 --> 02:09:34,660
former meeting where we took a vote to agendize the items, I specifically said an action

1583
02:09:34,660 --> 02:09:35,060
item.

1584
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:42,700
Why did you guys just do this to play Kate Me into sort of trick me and tricking the listening

1585
02:09:42,700 --> 02:09:45,160
public to think that we're going to do something more or not?

1586
02:09:45,700 --> 02:09:49,640
I mean, what is the value of having three discussions we've already had?

1587
02:09:49,640 --> 02:09:55,800
we voted to put these items on the agenda last meeting and we have the similar discussions then

1588
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:59,980
we're doing it again now but we're according to your...

1589
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:06,240
Reaction, we're precluded from taking action, we're precluded from hearing from public comment. What is the purpose of these in?

1590
02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:10,380
You asked for it to come back as a council discussion, and that's what we're doing.

1591
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:11,060
No, as an action item.

1592
02:10:11,060 --> 02:10:11,680
No, as an action item.

1593
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:15,380
As an action item, what I wanted to talk about.

1594
02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:23,140
Motion was for discussion for the last ones. However, we are in council actions and request for future agendas.

1595
02:10:23,140 --> 02:10:30,520
So if there is a request for a future agenda action item, it can be brought forward at this time with a motion in a second.

1596
02:10:31,120 --> 02:10:39,620
I'll make the motion to bring back for the defibrillator to be able to vote on that because I think that's very, very important to the public health and safety of this community.

1597
02:10:40,120 --> 02:10:44,620
So that would be my motion to bring it back as an agenda item that we can vote on.

1598
02:10:44,820 --> 02:10:47,320
Thank you. I'm happy to move that.

1599
02:10:47,320 --> 02:10:56,160
and I'm glad at least I can just I just I we've already did it. I will go back in and look at the look at the videos and I hope that everybody else does too.

1600
02:10:56,500 --> 02:10:58,080
This is really ridiculous, Eric.

1601
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:01,360
Okay, I want to post that.

1602
02:11:02,020 --> 02:11:13,480
And that's that's that's nine point three are we're not doing anything on nine one and nine two we're just going to like let the city manager and the city attorney exists with no oversight mechanisms.

1603
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:18,640
Do you have a specific request to bring back an action item?

1604
02:11:19,220 --> 02:11:24,500
I already did that. I actually had them printed. I wrote out my motions last time and I submitted them.

1605
02:11:24,820 --> 02:11:25,500
I submitted them.

1606
02:11:26,260 --> 02:11:30,340
To you and to the city managers in the city as any clerk.

1607
02:11:30,760 --> 02:11:33,940
They were in writing. They were printed out.

1608
02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:35,800
I had them prepared. So I don't know.

1609
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:39,480
I know that I have personally asked for face to face.

1610
02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:47,560
As spreadsheet or something, something to keep me notified of anything, any contract signed

1611
02:11:47,560 --> 02:11:52,560
that's over $100,000 because we're responsible as a Council for that money and we need

1612
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:57,240
to be able to track it, to monitor it, and to know what as soon as it happens.

1613
02:11:59,220 --> 02:12:03,580
So I'm hoping that City Manager is going to work on that and get us maybe a monthly list

1614
02:12:03,580 --> 02:12:09,860
or, you know, quarterly list of all the things that he has spent over $100,000 on.

1615
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:17,760
So, I guess I'll move again to have both out of 9192 comeback as action items.

1616
02:12:21,060 --> 02:12:28,180
Okay, we can do that, but when it comes back, the action item will be completely thought out, right?

1617
02:12:28,300 --> 02:12:32,280
I had it already thought out. It had points with quarterly reports and everything.

1618
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:33,440
I did not get that.

1619
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:36,140
And then your request was to bring back a discussion.

1620
02:12:36,460 --> 02:12:37,200
So that's what it is.

1621
02:12:37,340 --> 02:12:39,780
We could table these and go to a close session and come back.

1622
02:12:39,800 --> 02:12:41,200
And I can print them out for you.

1623
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:43,740
And we can then take action on them.

1624
02:12:44,040 --> 02:12:44,420
If that's what you like.

1625
02:12:44,420 --> 02:12:46,640
I don't want you to go to something me read it.

1626
02:12:46,720 --> 02:12:47,360
And then you can do that.

1627
02:12:47,500 --> 02:12:48,820
No, everything is not what you are there.

1628
02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:50,960
And I have a can do attitude here.

1629
02:12:53,020 --> 02:12:53,860
What are you doing?

1630
02:12:54,160 --> 02:12:54,460
OK.

1631
02:12:54,900 --> 02:12:55,880
We're not playing baseball.

1632
02:12:58,710 --> 02:12:58,730
OK.

1633
02:12:59,010 --> 02:13:01,630
Yeah, the elections in November everybody's aware.

1634
02:13:02,290 --> 02:13:02,690
Fantastic.

1635
02:13:03,390 --> 02:13:04,730
So again, we're not going to do anything.

1636
02:13:04,730 --> 02:13:08,890
Yes, we can bring them back as action items and then we'll discuss it and vote on that.

1637
02:13:09,030 --> 02:13:15,630
If I want to have in front of me the clear path of what you're suggesting, the way that I understood it is we had a discussion.

1638
02:13:16,070 --> 02:13:23,910
We asked the city manager, can you provide us with monthly or quarterly emails outlining everything that you signed under your discretionary?

1639
02:13:24,170 --> 02:13:28,110
The answer was yes. I would like to see those emails. It should start.

1640
02:13:29,190 --> 02:13:33,390
If we want to bring that as an action item to vote on, let's do that.

1641
02:13:33,390 --> 02:13:37,950
That was it first of all, when I requested that last meeting.

1642
02:13:38,670 --> 02:13:44,850
I raised the issue at, in my time, under council request for future agenda items.

1643
02:13:45,350 --> 02:13:48,510
We are not permitted to take action then.

1644
02:13:49,250 --> 02:13:54,350
So for you to say that you directed the emails and all these other things that could not

1645
02:13:54,350 --> 02:14:00,690
procedurally happen, what happened at the last meeting was I read into the record and it

1646
02:14:00,690 --> 02:14:08,050
of specific motion items, I said therefore moved to and I wrote them out and I handed them

1647
02:14:08,050 --> 02:14:12,870
out, maybe you guys trashed them because clearly there seems to be no concern or no urgency

1648
02:14:12,870 --> 02:14:20,010
for this, but I was very specific with what I wanted on the agenda which would be an action item

1649
02:14:20,010 --> 02:14:25,170
to bring it back as an action item, not as a discussion item and you can't just go ahead and change

1650
02:14:25,170 --> 02:14:29,490
when the council votes to bring it back, you can't just change it. I didn't change anything,

1651
02:14:29,490 --> 02:14:32,590
This agenda was not prepared by me.

1652
02:14:32,790 --> 02:14:34,490
I asked this question everybody.

1653
02:14:35,050 --> 02:14:38,990
So then everybody remember the same way that it was asked to come back for it.

1654
02:14:38,990 --> 02:14:42,150
The next question goes to the city attorney and the city manager.

1655
02:14:43,670 --> 02:14:46,330
Why is this a discussion item on all three of them?

1656
02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:52,270
Discussion items only when I specifically wrote out printed and handed to everyone.

1657
02:14:52,710 --> 02:14:54,810
My motions with included action items.

1658
02:14:55,610 --> 02:14:57,090
I did not get a copy of the motion.

1659
02:14:57,090 --> 02:14:59,870
I'm also not responsible for the open session.

1660
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,160
agenda, but I do recall that the requested motions were for discussions, and I specifically remember

1661
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:13,080
Mayor Protem Bishop asking a question in the response being these are just for discussion.

1662
02:15:13,740 --> 02:15:18,580
That being said, this is how they are placed on the agenda. Again, if council would like to

1663
02:15:18,580 --> 02:15:24,700
have them to a future agenda, it requires a motion to a second, and we need some sort of clear

1664
02:15:24,700 --> 02:15:30,840
action as to what what is the item going to be. And I think it gets confusing when you say

1665
02:15:30,840 --> 02:15:36,760
something big and ambiguous like oversight procedures. I wrote it out so I will resend it to

1666
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:42,960
everybody involved. I think that would be helpful. There were two like motions. One was

1667
02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:47,340
specific to the city attorney and one was specific to the city manager. So all of a sudden they all

1668
02:15:47,340 --> 02:15:52,820
disappeared. I know I went because I didn't want to print them here because I didn't want you guys.

1669
02:15:52,820 --> 02:15:59,040
There's so much internal strife that people don't understand happens behind the scenes.

1670
02:15:59,320 --> 02:16:00,780
I went to kinkles to print them out.

1671
02:16:00,940 --> 02:16:03,040
So I know, I pay for them personally.

1672
02:16:03,240 --> 02:16:04,440
I know they were here.

1673
02:16:05,220 --> 02:16:07,700
So all of a sudden, nobody has them.

1674
02:16:14,620 --> 02:16:15,700
See, imagine it's a report.

1675
02:16:19,090 --> 02:16:20,810
There's still no clear action.

1676
02:16:21,150 --> 02:16:23,890
I mean, I'm with the council would like for us to do on 9192.

1677
02:16:23,930 --> 02:16:27,130
If there's no action, there's no action, but right now we don't have any clear action.

1678
02:16:27,190 --> 02:16:30,550
Okay, the pending motion on the floor, we didn't vote.

1679
02:16:31,950 --> 02:16:34,170
We'll make the motion, and we'll make the second.

1680
02:16:34,970 --> 02:16:39,490
I think it is to be just, well, we have a discussion, but I want to see her.

1681
02:16:39,510 --> 02:16:45,230
You know, we all agree that there needs to be oversight, but I don't think that we all agree that you just draft something,

1682
02:16:45,350 --> 02:16:47,270
bring it back, and then we'll all agree with that.

1683
02:16:47,410 --> 02:16:49,850
I think we should all have input on what we want to oversight.

1684
02:16:49,850 --> 02:16:50,990
I didn't suggest that.

1685
02:16:51,130 --> 02:16:55,350
I've drafted it as a template, which is what you guys all are asking for, that there be something

1686
02:16:55,350 --> 02:17:02,310
something expressly written out some actual action plan, a clear action plan, I did that work already.

1687
02:17:02,850 --> 02:17:09,290
I gave it to everybody and now it's somehow disappeared and now we're back at the discussion stage.

1688
02:17:09,670 --> 02:17:15,550
I will again read it and resummit it to everybody, which includes very clear.

1689
02:17:16,450 --> 02:17:21,290
But what I did say at the last council meeting was these are not exclusive.

1690
02:17:21,290 --> 02:17:27,550
Like if because there were other things that people were suggesting you wanted emails and you wanted some other I don't remember

1691
02:17:27,550 --> 02:17:33,990
Remember everything that you guys are suggesting I said this is just the bare minimum of what I would like to to consider at the next meeting

1692
02:17:33,990 --> 02:17:39,390
All suggestions are welcome and then we can take we can consider them all together and

1693
02:17:39,890 --> 02:17:43,470
Defide which ones we actually want to implement that was the plan

1694
02:17:43,470 --> 02:17:50,010
But I'm happy to do it now again. So the motion is on the floor to bring back as action items

1695
02:17:51,290 --> 02:18:00,730
I don't know, actually on which specific oversight mechanisms to implement for both the city manager and the city attorney.

1696
02:18:01,090 --> 02:18:02,050
I'll second your motion.

1697
02:18:02,570 --> 02:18:03,610
I'll favor say aye.

1698
02:18:03,610 --> 02:18:03,770
Aye.

1699
02:18:04,010 --> 02:18:04,670
You know what I pose?

1700
02:18:05,210 --> 02:18:05,550
No.

1701
02:18:05,830 --> 02:18:07,650
We'll bring it back.

1702
02:18:08,190 --> 02:18:08,350
Okay.

1703
02:18:08,610 --> 02:18:09,690
City manager report.

1704
02:18:12,770 --> 02:18:13,550
Members of the council.

1705
02:18:13,730 --> 02:18:16,510
We have three events coming up this month.

1706
02:18:17,670 --> 02:18:20,890
Actually today we have national might outpumps it on square.

1707
02:18:21,330 --> 02:18:22,650
It will be going until 830.

1708
02:18:22,650 --> 02:18:24,350
So we have time to go out there.

1709
02:18:24,490 --> 02:18:25,670
Please go out there and enjoy it.

1710
02:18:26,030 --> 02:18:29,270
Also, a summer concert series has two concerts coming up this month,

1711
02:18:29,550 --> 02:18:32,730
one on Friday, August 7th, which will feature war.

1712
02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:36,030
And the other one on Saturday, August 22nd,

1713
02:18:36,090 --> 02:18:37,270
will feature drum roll.

1714
02:18:37,390 --> 02:18:38,110
And that's it.

1715
02:18:38,950 --> 02:18:39,390
Thank you.

1716
02:18:39,870 --> 02:18:42,110
We're moving on to item 10, close session.

1717
02:18:42,170 --> 02:18:45,070
Now is the time for public comments related

1718
02:18:45,070 --> 02:18:46,990
to the closed session items.

1719
02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:51,330
If you have a comment related to those items,

1720
02:18:51,330 --> 02:18:52,810
Were there any slips?

1721
02:18:53,950 --> 02:18:54,510
Yes.

1722
02:18:54,510 --> 02:18:54,830
Wow.

1723
02:18:55,530 --> 02:18:55,930
Yes, Mayor.

1724
02:18:56,090 --> 02:19:01,430
We have Kevin Shankman discussing 10.1, 10.2, and 10.3.

1725
02:19:01,970 --> 02:19:06,450
So really quickly, I want to say I'm really impressed that there's bipartisan support

1726
02:19:06,450 --> 02:19:10,370
for getting rid of the sales tax, Democrats, because it's regressive Republicans,

1727
02:19:10,570 --> 02:19:12,690
I guess, because it's any tax at all.

1728
02:19:13,510 --> 02:19:18,630
Now, this item, I can only guess as to what the anticipated litigation is.

1729
02:19:18,630 --> 02:19:23,210
So I'm going to guess that it's about recovering expenses from the city manager.

1730
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:29,470
I have heard quite a bit about the city demanding $1,100 back from Council Member Alarcon

1731
02:19:29,470 --> 02:19:34,930
that were spent out of discretionary funds for bikes for kids, $10, $1,100.

1732
02:19:35,290 --> 02:19:38,470
That seems like a perfectly appropriate use of discretionary funds.

1733
02:19:38,730 --> 02:19:43,930
For that same amount of money, what did the city get from city manager sale mendas?

1734
02:19:43,930 --> 02:19:53,450
He spent one night at a hotel, including Trumputel branded hotels, and how do we find this

1735
02:19:53,450 --> 02:19:55,310
out through a public records act request?

1736
02:19:55,450 --> 02:19:58,810
Not a council member saying, hey, turn it over because I have oversight, responsibility

1737
02:19:58,810 --> 02:19:59,770
of the city manager.

1738
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:07,780
Let me see the stuff. No, had to go through months of a public records act request. That is crazy. Now, what we have

1739
02:20:07,780 --> 02:20:14,460
seen in those public records is some stuff that like rivals Robert Rizzo in the city of Bell.

1740
02:20:17,590 --> 02:20:17,870
I would

1741
02:20:17,870 --> 02:20:24,590
have thought that this council would have learned from the Rhonda Perez fiasco, but maybe not. And in

1742
02:20:24,590 --> 02:20:27,510
of a humble proposal I have one for you.

1743
02:20:29,170 --> 02:20:37,390
Bring back as an action item that whenever a city council member requests records from the city

1744
02:20:37,390 --> 02:20:42,470
manager or city attorney regarding their billings, their reimbursements, their expenses,

1745
02:20:43,030 --> 02:20:46,130
that it must be provided to that council member promptly.

1746
02:20:48,770 --> 02:20:54,210
Now, put it putting over to the discretion of the city manager in the city attorney items

1747
02:20:54,210 --> 02:20:59,030
about oversight of the city manager in the city attorney isn't saying now Eric I know

1748
02:20:59,030 --> 02:21:03,510
this is difficult to run a meeting okay I get it I run commission meetings in

1749
02:21:03,510 --> 02:21:08,050
Malibu but when you're getting advice that's trash it makes it all the more

1750
02:21:08,050 --> 02:21:13,970
difficult thank you the city attorney recruitment process closes on the night

1751
02:21:13,970 --> 02:21:15,230
put in

1752
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:25,180
put in I would I would okay next we have you Jean Hernandez on 10.1

1753
02:21:27,400 --> 02:21:35,380
One thing is very, very obvious today, is that we need to fire the legal firm that has

1754
02:21:35,380 --> 02:21:42,900
been corrupted since William was there, and they give bad legal advice, and we can go with

1755
02:21:42,900 --> 02:21:43,460
them anymore.

1756
02:21:43,960 --> 02:21:50,500
And we have to get rid of Mendus, just like run the bettas for you to spend thousands of dollars

1757
02:21:50,500 --> 02:21:57,980
of our tax money for your hotel, who knows whether you hired street walkers to be with you?

1758
02:21:58,000 --> 02:21:58,900
How would that sound?

1759
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:01,460
How would it be to a class that you do it?

1760
02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:02,380
Don't interrupt me.

1761
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:04,220
How is that related to the closed session?

1762
02:22:04,740 --> 02:22:10,460
It's relating, you know, you did a poor job tonight, you acted like a fool, you silence

1763
02:22:10,460 --> 02:22:15,560
people, and you should resign as the city councilman, do us a favor.

1764
02:22:16,860 --> 02:22:17,020
Next.

1765
02:22:17,020 --> 02:22:18,940
We have Marcos Alvarez.

1766
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:24,370
All right.

1767
02:22:26,490 --> 02:22:28,410
I've been to the events of where we suddenly

1768
02:22:28,410 --> 02:22:31,530
go and had a park over on 30th street east

1769
02:22:31,530 --> 02:22:32,850
and have a new art.

1770
02:22:34,050 --> 02:22:39,690
And what the pushing pull is to ask her to give back

1771
02:22:39,690 --> 02:22:42,410
1100 dollars over your own discretionary fund is outrageous.

1772
02:22:43,890 --> 02:22:45,610
Because when you go out there,

1773
02:22:45,790 --> 02:22:46,990
you were there by the way, Eric.

1774
02:22:47,330 --> 02:22:49,570
You showed up and you took a picture and you were gone

1775
02:22:49,570 --> 02:22:51,070
in less than five minutes, respectfully.

1776
02:22:51,570 --> 02:22:55,870
Having said that, thousands of children were very happy.

1777
02:22:56,690 --> 02:22:58,770
So to me, that's money well spent

1778
02:22:58,770 --> 02:23:01,470
than something over in Palm Springs or wherever

1779
02:23:01,470 --> 02:23:02,790
was that on a hotel.

1780
02:23:03,450 --> 02:23:04,750
So do the math, right?

1781
02:23:04,990 --> 02:23:07,490
So I would hope that they back off, wherever

1782
02:23:07,490 --> 02:23:10,370
is asking for that money, and double it.

1783
02:23:10,490 --> 02:23:13,430
Double the discretionary fund on the way it's been spent

1784
02:23:13,430 --> 02:23:15,070
such as misaladacon, okay?

1785
02:23:15,330 --> 02:23:15,970
Thank you.

1786
02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:25,520
Council, when we were here last month to discuss the placing the election of the mayor back

1787
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:29,700
on the ballot, we were treated to a social studies lesson about different forms of city

1788
02:23:29,700 --> 02:23:30,100
government.

1789
02:23:30,600 --> 02:23:33,400
There reminded me a lot of Ms. Mastari in my elementary school at Sunnydale.

1790
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:37,020
I'm wondering if the structural issue is in the structure of government in the city.

1791
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:42,900
And if it's not an opportunity that we have, if we survive the ballot in November, and any challenges

1792
02:23:42,900 --> 02:23:49,060
to the implementation of a not large elected mayor, might we not have the opportunity to change

1793
02:23:49,060 --> 02:23:54,500
the current system of our council so that there is a different role for the city manager than

1794
02:23:54,500 --> 02:23:58,760
what we have now. And so what we're doing is introducing complexity to the council, we're going

1795
02:23:58,760 --> 02:24:05,920
to introduce even number voting to this council. How do we, can you make it relevant to the

1796
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:08,420
As you consider in close session,

1797
02:24:08,520 --> 02:24:09,920
potential exposure to litigation,

1798
02:24:10,540 --> 02:24:13,420
I would question whether that item might not be

1799
02:24:13,420 --> 02:24:15,060
any concerns about the future

1800
02:24:15,060 --> 02:24:16,240
at large in your elections.

1801
02:24:16,900 --> 02:24:20,520
And as we talk about oversight of the manager's position,

1802
02:24:21,340 --> 02:24:23,160
introducing the position is an opportunity

1803
02:24:23,160 --> 02:24:25,080
to go ahead and address the issue

1804
02:24:25,080 --> 02:24:28,240
that Council has with the current city manager,

1805
02:24:28,820 --> 02:24:29,800
which I believe is structural,

1806
02:24:30,520 --> 02:24:32,000
and clearly it's not working.

1807
02:24:34,100 --> 02:24:35,900
And I just hope the item is in a brown-like light.

1808
02:24:35,900 --> 02:24:38,640
Congratulations. Thank you.

1809
02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:40,060
Ranzu Guerrero.

1810
02:24:46,720 --> 02:24:48,400
Good afternoon. My name is Ranza Guerrero.

1811
02:24:48,760 --> 02:24:51,120
First I want to say so thank you so much to Miss Andrea.

1812
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:53,620
I feel like you were the only person with a backbone

1813
02:24:53,620 --> 02:24:57,080
and it's entire chamber other than the citizens here behind me.

1814
02:24:57,140 --> 02:24:58,480
So I'm very proud of you for that.

1815
02:24:58,980 --> 02:24:59,780
I think it's insane.

1816
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:24,640
I'm 18 years old, and I have a bigger backbone than any of you here. I respect both of you completely, but you are quiet. You are quiet while you hear that city manager is clearly not using the money that he is given for what it is used for. It is needed for. He is using it for a nefarious intentions. No one should be using that money to be in Las Vegas. You're working California, sir. What are you doing in Las Vegas?

1817
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:29,120
to the items listed on the agenda, let me just be clear.

1818
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:32,540
So the part of the problem is the way that it's agenda is,

1819
02:25:32,680 --> 02:25:36,620
it's ambiguous on what the anticipated litigation could be.

1820
02:25:36,820 --> 02:25:37,560
So it could be anything.

1821
02:25:37,720 --> 02:25:38,860
These people can talk about whatever,

1822
02:25:38,860 --> 02:25:41,280
because who knows what the anticipated litigation is,

1823
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:42,460
because it's so improper.

1824
02:25:42,820 --> 02:25:46,360
Exactly, and this is my time, Mr. Eric, so I'll continue.

1825
02:25:46,440 --> 02:25:49,480
If it's relevant to this, you are a public servant.

1826
02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:51,740
You are a public servant, and she's the only one acting

1827
02:25:51,740 --> 02:25:53,960
like a public servant in this room.

1828
02:25:53,960 --> 02:25:57,360
You're a public servant. You work for me. You work for everyone in this room.

1829
02:25:57,360 --> 02:25:58,120
You work for council, please.

1830
02:25:58,240 --> 02:25:59,880
You work for everyone in this room.

1831
02:25:59,960 --> 02:26:03,000
And I expect you to act that way. I'm 18 years old.

1832
02:26:03,880 --> 02:26:06,120
I'm going to vote in November. You keep saying,

1833
02:26:06,360 --> 02:26:09,140
Oh, yeah, I know November as the election year,

1834
02:26:09,360 --> 02:26:10,180
then act like it.

1835
02:26:10,920 --> 02:26:12,180
I want you to act like it.

1836
02:26:12,180 --> 02:26:14,260
I want you to say, I want you to do.

1837
02:26:14,340 --> 02:26:16,400
I want your actions to match what you say

1838
02:26:16,400 --> 02:26:17,580
because you've said continuously.

1839
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:19,560
You care about the people of Palmdale.

1840
02:26:19,820 --> 02:26:20,900
Then act like it.

1841
02:26:21,140 --> 02:26:22,700
Because I don't care about a spreadsheet.

1842
02:26:22,700 --> 02:26:28,700
Google spreadsheet. He's already done actions in the past that have shown us that he's not using

1843
02:26:28,700 --> 02:26:34,760
his money correctly, and I expect you to go back and investigate. I expect you as the attorney

1844
02:26:34,760 --> 02:26:42,020
of this council of this city to investigate and to actually provide for the people of Palmdale.

1845
02:26:42,660 --> 02:26:44,000
Thank you so much for your time.

1846
02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:44,500
Next.

1847
02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:46,040
Rafael Correro.

1848
02:26:55,900 --> 02:26:56,340
What are we going to say?

1849
02:26:56,600 --> 02:26:57,480
I'm a pro that.

1850
02:26:57,780 --> 02:26:58,420
That's my daughter.

1851
02:26:58,780 --> 02:26:59,320
I'm very proud.

1852
02:26:59,980 --> 02:27:02,340
She will be in American University this August.

1853
02:27:02,780 --> 02:27:05,480
She's going to be just four years over there.

1854
02:27:05,660 --> 02:27:07,780
Starting in the initial relations.

1855
02:27:10,380 --> 02:27:10,840
And what's the other one?

1856
02:27:11,340 --> 02:27:12,760
And what are you talking about?

1857
02:27:13,620 --> 02:27:14,560
Ten one.

1858
02:27:15,300 --> 02:27:17,220
This is referring to the city attorney.

1859
02:27:17,320 --> 02:27:18,300
I hope you do a good job.

1860
02:27:18,740 --> 02:27:20,460
And on your agenda.

1861
02:27:21,240 --> 02:27:22,400
Just wishing you well.

1862
02:27:22,400 --> 02:27:30,480
And it's kind of disappointing to see the behavior today.

1863
02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:33,340
I was not expecting it, this is new to me.

1864
02:27:33,780 --> 02:27:35,120
Nobody invited me here.

1865
02:27:35,300 --> 02:27:36,340
I come here every time.

1866
02:27:37,000 --> 02:27:38,000
You see me here.

1867
02:27:38,840 --> 02:27:41,620
You made a reference saying that she invited people here.

1868
02:27:44,380 --> 02:27:45,860
I'm here every time.

1869
02:27:45,880 --> 02:27:46,140
I'm here every time.

1870
02:27:48,280 --> 02:27:49,340
I'm very disappointed.

1871
02:27:49,340 --> 02:27:58,620
I really hope that you realize that all of you work for us, the community, and we are not being

1872
02:27:58,620 --> 02:28:07,900
represented, but we need all of you to be accountable, very important, and like everyone

1873
02:28:07,900 --> 02:28:10,080
has mentioned it, we are going to see each other in November.

1874
02:28:10,600 --> 02:28:10,860
Thank you.

1875
02:28:11,100 --> 02:28:11,240
Next.

1876
02:28:11,480 --> 02:28:12,720
I choose two tiers.

1877
02:28:16,610 --> 02:28:17,530
Which item are you speaking of?

1878
02:28:17,530 --> 02:28:23,570
10-1. I was in the right here. I was just walking by. I was going to go enjoy the national

1879
02:28:24,910 --> 02:28:33,030
thing. Speaking of 10-1, I just got to remind you guys to do your fiduciary duties and remind

1880
02:28:33,030 --> 02:28:43,990
you to be ethical. I don't really like to talk because when I talk, I call a spade of spade and

1881
02:28:43,990 --> 02:28:49,690
people don't like that so I'm just going to keep it short and what I heard I wasn't aware of

1882
02:28:49,690 --> 02:28:54,890
I haven't been to the knees in a while but it's just I don't know I'm just strolling by and

1883
02:28:55,470 --> 02:29:02,490
what I hear I didn't like but especially for you Eric you know like give us the time to speak

1884
02:29:02,490 --> 02:29:07,810
because this is it is in our constitution you know I love the second amendment as well you know

1885
02:29:07,810 --> 02:29:15,590
Like so that's how I got to remind you fiduciary duties and unethical. You have a great day

1886
02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:17,190
X

1887
02:29:18,890 --> 02:29:22,570
Anyone okay, we're closing public comment. I'm just gonna say two things

1888
02:29:28,110 --> 02:29:28,590
Okay,

1889
02:29:32,690 --> 02:29:35,850
well, they figured that out. I just want to say I

1890
02:29:35,850 --> 02:29:39,890
always invite everybody to come to our meetings because the more public participation

1891
02:29:39,890 --> 02:29:43,510
the better, and I've been doing that, I've been the biggest advocate on this council

1892
02:29:43,510 --> 02:29:48,190
for public participation, so I don't know, Eric, why you think that this is political

1893
02:29:48,190 --> 02:29:53,730
grant standing, it's time that our voices are heard, and so I've asked the community to come out

1894
02:29:53,730 --> 02:29:57,390
and speak their truth, and so I'm appreciative of every single one of you who came out here, whether

1895
02:29:57,390 --> 02:29:59,970
I know you, or just me, I'm gonna meet you when I-

1896
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,720
All right, when I come down and say hello. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being part of the democratic process.

1897
02:30:05,420 --> 02:30:21,520
But I'd also like to interject a motion, because I got all of those public records that I spoke about the hotel records and all of the things that raise issues of concern about the city manager and his actions.

1898
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:38,180
So I'd like to make a motion based on that the matter arose subsequent to the posting of the agenda, the matter requires urgent action and that we add an item to our close session agenda to discuss all of those personnel matters pertaining to the city manager.

1899
02:30:46,390 --> 02:30:57,610
If you haven't spoken yet, I will give you the opportunity, just like consent calendar, you're

1900
02:30:57,610 --> 02:31:00,770
giving your time for matters on the consent calendar.

1901
02:31:01,490 --> 02:31:03,890
This, you gave your comments.

1902
02:31:10,430 --> 02:31:14,150
Mayor, Mr. Shankman charges $950 an hour.

1903
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:17,130
If he wants to talk, I think we should let him talk.

1904
02:31:17,510 --> 02:31:18,330
He drove here.

1905
02:31:19,210 --> 02:31:19,230
Yes.

1906
02:31:19,690 --> 02:31:21,790
And I didn't.

1907
02:31:21,790 --> 02:31:22,250
I didn't.

1908
02:31:22,250 --> 02:31:23,450
I didn't appreciate that.

1909
02:31:23,530 --> 02:31:24,990
I mean, that.

1910
02:31:24,990 --> 02:31:28,690
That that underscores the point is to why we want to take his legal advice.

1911
02:31:29,610 --> 02:31:30,030
And avoid.

1912
02:31:30,630 --> 02:31:30,990
Yes.

1913
02:31:30,990 --> 02:31:31,330
Please.

1914
02:31:31,710 --> 02:31:32,770
It is your time.

1915
02:31:35,330 --> 02:31:35,550
Hi.

1916
02:31:35,790 --> 02:31:36,790
My name's Tony Nomorano.

1917
02:31:36,910 --> 02:31:40,190
And I'm also a Washington DC student at Howard University.

1918
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:42,010
So at Anza will be joining me.

1919
02:31:42,010 --> 02:31:49,310
And so relating to 10.1, 10.1 to 10.3, this is my first city council meeting, so I'm very

1920
02:31:49,310 --> 02:31:53,510
interested in how it's going so far, but from what I'm looking at, so I can't really guess

1921
02:31:53,510 --> 02:31:57,110
what any of this is about because I don't know, so I could really only speak about what the

1922
02:31:57,110 --> 02:32:02,070
roles are, and it's just very interesting to see the dynamics over here, especially what you're

1923
02:32:02,070 --> 02:32:07,210
calling out from a city manager, and I do know that the city attorney provides legal advice about

1924
02:32:07,210 --> 02:32:12,830
the different like contracts that are given by the city manager and whatnot and so which

1925
02:32:12,830 --> 02:32:19,290
which is baffles me about this whole discussion is just the response to what she brought

1926
02:32:19,290 --> 02:32:25,310
up. I can understand wanting to do more of like a thorough investigation and ever and see

1927
02:32:25,310 --> 02:32:31,290
sources and whatnot but I just don't understand why you misdemear and some of the other

1928
02:32:31,290 --> 02:32:37,050
council members one are just silent but two are filling a type of way at the fact that

1929
02:32:37,050 --> 02:32:42,070
people back here are feeling a type of way about what's being brought up and before you

1930
02:32:42,070 --> 02:32:48,370
say this is in relation I think that if the city attorneys the one handling most of these cases

1931
02:32:48,370 --> 02:32:53,870
and then if it's being accused that there might be some not-so-legal things going on I would say

1932
02:32:53,870 --> 02:32:59,810
there's a relation there that should be looked at but just an in this entire meeting you guys brought

1933
02:32:59,810 --> 02:33:06,870
in so many thoughts about the taxes so many statistics and I appreciate your apology as well

1934
02:33:06,870 --> 02:33:16,290
too. But when it came to anything that she had to say, all I heard was just yelling, all I

1935
02:33:16,290 --> 02:33:25,370
heard was this is irrelevant. All I heard were excuses compared to everything else

1936
02:33:25,370 --> 02:33:30,690
that I was brought up today. So I really just encourage you, they just listen to what

1937
02:33:30,690 --> 02:33:36,350
the people are saying back here and stop making them so mad. It's easy. Just listen to

1938
02:33:36,350 --> 02:33:37,330
I promise.

1939
02:33:37,990 --> 02:33:38,630
So, thank you so much.

1940
02:33:39,050 --> 02:33:39,450
Anyone else?

1941
02:33:41,370 --> 02:33:42,050
Anyone else?

1942
02:33:42,290 --> 02:33:44,970
Kevin, I'm going to let you and then we're going to finish after Kevin.

1943
02:33:46,070 --> 02:33:46,150
Great.

1944
02:33:46,370 --> 02:33:47,910
I have 10.2 and 10.3.

1945
02:33:48,050 --> 02:33:49,170
I'll try to combine them into one.

1946
02:33:49,290 --> 02:33:49,830
Thank you.

1947
02:33:50,850 --> 02:34:01,390
So, my comment relates to 10.2, particularly because it is litigation and I want to remind

1948
02:34:01,390 --> 02:34:15,750
Council that it is your responsibility under both the charter and the municipal code to have oversight of the city attorney and have oversight of litigation and that requires you to get the legal advice on those matters.

1949
02:34:18,430 --> 02:34:24,810
Now, how about with respect to shields versus city of Palmdale and all of the other litigation that's pending.

1950
02:34:25,530 --> 02:34:31,810
We have an action and we just simply say, if any council member wants to see the city attorneys

1951
02:34:31,810 --> 02:34:34,550
of buildings, we show it to them.

1952
02:34:34,910 --> 02:34:43,350
That way they can have oversight of the city attorney with respect to 10.3 and the amount,

1953
02:34:43,450 --> 02:34:50,130
you know, the teamsters local 1986 and the amount of money that we, that we as a city

1954
02:34:50,130 --> 02:34:54,170
have to pay those good people.

1955
02:34:54,170 --> 02:34:59,970
You know, this is a working-class city and, you know, working-

1956
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:29,980
Class, people don't go pay $1,100 a night for a hotel, or $8 or $900 a night to go to a Trump puto brand in hotel. They don't run off a bar tab of hundreds of doubt, well, some of them might. And they don't go for extravagant meals. That is just a horrible, horrible example. And, you know, look, I don't think anyone's ever accused the Palmdale City Council of being all that politically sophisticated, but you don't need to be politically sophisticated to know that it is a bad look.

1957
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:37,180
to try to demand $1,100 from Councilmember Alarcon for giving bikes to kids at the same time

1958
02:35:37,180 --> 02:35:43,080
as paying for sell men as to be at a hotel for $1,100 a night.

1959
02:35:43,780 --> 02:35:45,280
Thank you.

1960
02:35:45,440 --> 02:35:45,660
Okay.

1961
02:35:47,020 --> 02:35:50,580
We're closing that and we will adjourn to close session.

1962
02:35:51,940 --> 02:35:52,980
I got to say my items.

1963
02:35:53,940 --> 02:35:55,440
So good evening, Mayor and City Council.

1964
02:35:55,440 --> 02:36:02,860
Tonight, we have items 10.1, 10.2, and 10.3 for closed session, and we can convene back there whenever you are ready.

1965
04:03:23,320 --> 04:03:37,200
Good evening, Mayor. Again, in city council members, the item 10.1, there was no reportable action for item 10.2, there was no reportable action and for item 10.3, there was no reportable action.