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I'd like to call the order of the regular meeting of the parkourage city council for Wednesday, March 20th. We have a roll call, please. Mayor Maloney, you're all the person, Moran, Sanchez, Lawrence, Tarrington and Steinfelds are absent. Biaji, you're leftler. We have a quorum. Excellent. Thank you. I ask everyone, please rise and join me in the signing of the Pledge of Allegiance.

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First set of minutes to approve this evening.

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are the City Council meeting minutes from March 4th.

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I ask for a motion to approve those minutes.

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Thank you.

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Are there any questions or corrections?

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Seeing none, I'll tell you all needs.

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Does anyone here tonight wish to make a comment on that side of minutes?

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Seeing none, back to Council for any remaining comments.

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All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Those opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Next, I ask for a motion to approve the committee of the whole meeting minutes from March 4th,

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2024.

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I'll move.

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Second.

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Thank you.

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Questions?

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Corrections?

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Up to the audience for anyone wishing to make a comment on this set of minutes.

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Seeing none, back to council for any remaining comments.

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All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Those opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Thank you.

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Next one.

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We want to report to City officials.

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Another mayors report.

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There's a few items this evening.

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Is there a problem if we do all these in one motion?

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Okay, as long as there are no objections, and that's what I'm asking for here, we can do this in one motion, if that's okay.

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Yes.

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Okay, perfect, so I ask for a motion to prove the following appointments to boards and commissions.

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Sadzee Olivia to the O'Hare Airport Commission for a partial term expiring June 30th, 2025.

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Christen Demas to the O'Hare Airport Commission for a partial term expiring June 30th, 2025.

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Jerry Weller to the liquor license review board for a four year term expiring December 31st, 2027.

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Joseph Ayakulot to the liquor license review board for a four year term expiring December 31st, 2027.

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Jeff Frankowiak to the Health Commission for a three year term expiring September 30th, 2026.

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Entertain emotional proof as read.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Any questions?

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Seeing none, out to the audience.

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If there's anyone wishing to make a comment on this motion, then back to Council.

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Could we do a roll-out, please, so?

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All the person, Moran?

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Yes.

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Sanchez?

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Yes.

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Biachi?

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Yes.

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Leftler?

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Yes.

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Motion passes, 5-0.

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Excellent.

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Thank you.

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Next we have a presentation by Fair.

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They're here this evening.

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I'd invite you to come on up.

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They're going to put on the noise monitoring technology and then I

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So everybody here is aware like this is not our OAC. This is not a group that we're currently involved

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Like that they're a third-party organization is coming in they've presented to

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The OAC and now we're here to talk to us

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Thank you mayor Maloney and John Moran for the invitation to speak at the City Council

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gave our presentation, I believe, in early November of last year is fairly brief, about 20 minutes.

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Just a few things, Laura Nishie, Rick Farmer and Diana Bernardi

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is our board members

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that currently live in Park Ridge, so they are heavily invested in this initiative as well.

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And I'm going to be fairly quick, and I'm going to turn it over to Dr. Park, who is a professor

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at Purdue University. He just moved to that new position from NYU about a year ago and

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is the creator of the system that he will outline.

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Parkridge currently has an always ordinance. No person shall operate or cause to be operated

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on private property. Any continuous, predictable or recurring source of sound in such a manner

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as to create a sound level measured on a sound level meter using the A weighted network

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work at or within the property boundary of the receiving property, which exceeds 35

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decibels, DBA, and intensity between the hours of 10 p.m., and 7 a.m., or which exceeds 50

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decibels, DBA, and intensity, between the hours of 7 a.m., and 10 p.m.

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I have been coming to Parkridge for about seven, eight years now, and I can tell

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that the jets over park ridge are exceeding those levels currently.

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I'm going to do a quick introduction a couple of minutes, and then I'm going to turn this over to Dr. Park.

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Briefly, oh here, Modernization Plant, a lot of this was presented already back in early November.

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It's not new information. Oh here, had a runway alignment closing some runways and opening existing

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runways as outlined there, more or less, the O'Hare Modernization Plan is complete.

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As a result, there was a widening and lengthening of those parallel runways that are listed

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there, slight details here and there, but for the most part, everything is up and running.

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That was the current noise impact as of 2017 to the city park rich.

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Actually, you know, this is the overall from 2008 until 2007, just to give an idea in terms

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of the inconsistency from what was promised with the O'Hare Modernization Plan.

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The total number of complaints have gone up while the average monthly operations within

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the airport, arrivals, departures, commercial and cargo aircraft have gone down during that

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time span up until 2017. This is the park ridge complaint total. We stopped at 2017 because

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it just got to the point where we had recognized as an organization around that time we turned

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into a non-for-profit that we had to address this problem differently. The total number of

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complaints from 2012 and 2017 are listed there. We do not believe a lot of people have time

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on their hands to file complaints and that these are genuine complaints.

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This is a heat map of the complaints by community up until 2017 for about a four, five, six,

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seven year, sorry, about a four year time span.

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These are numbers associated with the Ohio Air Noise Compatibility, sorry, the Ohio Air

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ONCC, Roundtable, those are their numbers from the CDA, 17,408,819.

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And now I will turn this over to Dr. Park and we'll have a Q&A after this.

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Good evening.

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So I'll be quickly going over some of the problems, but I'm sure that you know about the noise

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problems pertinent to the airplanes and around 55 decibels, DBAs, around what we would normally

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consider like a quiet neighborhood, reasonable neighborhood, but in areas like O'Hare and Park

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Ridge it can go over 85 decibels with 30 second intervals, 1 minute intervals, which has really caused

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the creation of these air highways. And this is actual data, not a model which is very important

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the measurements. As you can see here, which has also led to organizations being formed community

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organizations like Fair and myself getting involved because it's a national global problem to

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be quite honest. And I came here in 2016-17 because my expertise is in sound and sound mapping and

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creating sound maps and actually wasn't quite sure what to expect and it was more than what I had

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imagine it to be sort of been collaborating with Fair, John, and Laura, and everyone there,

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since then. And one of the most interesting problems is this idea of DNL contour lines,

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so this sort of contour, and as you go further from the center, the noise level decrease,

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but these are basically based on models, right? Not the realities or the actual measurements at the

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source, it's kind of like also if you want to sort of unpack the D&L concept, it's

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this idea that I think it only snows in the winter, basically, but if you average that

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out over the entire year and say, this is how much snow we get over the year, then it

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becomes minuscule, right? It's a great measurement, but it can be better. So how does that change

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over this season. In our case, over each day, each week, each month, each year, 24-7, with one

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second resolution. Can we achieve that? Measurements, not models. That's what we are building.

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Here's that example of the snowfall. But it's kind of interesting in Indiana. I just got here from New

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York City. It's exactly the same. Just kidding. The weather does change quite drastically as to the

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airplane sounds as the A-rail highways changed dynamically according to the weather, according

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to needs in terms of cargo planes and so on and so forth.

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So what we try to do is clarify model-based noise contours with actual data, with enough

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sensors so that we can get a good sense and accurate sense as to the realities at people's

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homes.

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DBA measurements, there's a DBA, DBC, DBC, all these different measurements, and they

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are somewhat insufficient in reflecting big machines.

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And as we know, big machines cost things to shake, and DBAs don't measure that.

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And when people's homes shake, that is, I think a serious problem.

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Next slide please.

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Yeah, thank you.

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So what we are trying to resolve is get to unpack what's the unknown through measurements.

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You can't fix what you can't measure and make that known, which allows us to pinpoint

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the problems, reduce consequences of issues and noise producers, incidents, snow authorities

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and listening care, which means fewer complaints, transparency or sunlight is the solution to

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everything and trust in authorities and the communities.

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That's what we're trying to do through data.

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This is what John actually mentioned.

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So in 2009, we had in the Chicago area, around 14,000,

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15,000 complaints and then when you fast forward to 2017,

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you get five million complaints.

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That's when I came to Chicago because I actually didn't believe

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this chart, but then when I came, I was

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unpleasantly surprised why that number exponentially increased. Here's one of the

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problems back in the day for next year and became a thing. Plains would be sort of

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covering larger areas, so they wouldn't be squeezed, right? It's kind of like a

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laser. When you squeeze things, levels go up and they go further into the

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community, intense areas of x times y or a squared endeavor, which means more areas

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is covered, louder noise, and that sort of explains

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the increased, exponential increase in the complaints.

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So what we're trying to do is provide location specific

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and continuous and comprehensive airplane noise data

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for communities around airports, which allows us

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to have some piece of mind for the community trust

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in noise mitigation insights and implementation

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of noise abatement measures.

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We can have all these great policies and rules

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and laws in place, but if you can't measure what it is, if you can't really identify accurately what those are, they are not very effective.

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Blank.

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And so this is the actual system.

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So I call these the sticker sensors, not quite stickers yet, but very small, very lightweight, which makes them very affordable or easy to produce.

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these thicker sensors that you put outside of your window which allows you to

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measure 24-7 365 days a year with one second resolution, the tail number, the

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decibel levels, the duration, how long it occurred and the 3D position including

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other elements like speed and so on and so forth which then you can visualize and

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and allow you to see the pain that people are feeling at their home,

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not a mile from your home, which is different to what one feels at their homes.

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And this is the system.

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The reason we sort of made it into a tablet is because most of us know how to use a tablet,

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so to make it fun before communities.

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And essentially what happens is everything happens here.

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only the high-level data gets sent or I mean by high-level data it's basically

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what's a DB level? Is it an airplane or not? And those cannot be intercepted

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and privacy is actually protected which is per design. We don't want to have

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audio signals running everywhere so it's just how loud is an airplane or not? 0%

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percent. And then seeing is believing which means that you can see the data it

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make sense of what it is.

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And some of the interesting ways to use this data is that,

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or inform strategies as flight paths,

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how can we have it be data-driven, measurement-driven?

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What airplane engines make the most noise, which

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are the best engines, that actually

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We are reflected on the ground. It's really complicated because you have buildings, trees, and all kinds of things. And then can we, should we plan more trees here and there? Of course, those are actually really helpful in mitigating and dampening sound. Here's an example in Park Ridge, where we have a heat map. So the x-axis is days. So this is over basically one month.

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Y-axis is day, X-axis is 24 hours and you can see from midnight until like 5, 6 a.m. it's pretty quiet and then

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Switch gets turned on and the airplanes fly over your home until midnight and then beyond I think we can go into the details

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and show you exactly when they happen and the way we are able to do this is also through the

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Miracle of AI, right? Just imagine this having essentially what we build is having a an artificial person

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sort of live outside of your home and listen to these sounds and identify whether it's an airplane or not.

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How long that airplane noise occurs and how loud it is. That's basically what we built here.

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This is just in summary of some of the data that we have collected.

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And this is the aerial highway.

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So when I saw this, I was like, this is actually what is happening in Ohio, also my former

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home in New York City, JFK, LGA, very similar there.

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It's a global phenomena, I want to say.

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And as you can see, laser sharp, it's kind of like laser.

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and that sort of increase in sound energy levels is sort of that phenomenon that we are experiencing.

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Here's another visualization of the data. As you can see, there's a couple of columns.

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The first column tells you when it starts and it ends. What's the decibel levels flight number,

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the tail number, and then how far it is from the sensor.

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And the value proposition, I think,

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just skip that one. And yeah, let's go to that.

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Okay, so we are partnering with noisy. We serve as the community

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organization. We have had a partnership with noisy for about

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seven years now. And we started initially with a pilot project

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within Park Ridge in the northwest side of Chicago with a few early

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models of the monitors.

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Our goal is to deploy 320 monitors by 2026.

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20 monitors per flight path, there are east-west parallel runways, six runways, 12 flight

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pass.

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They do use both sides of the flight pass, by the way.

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I'm sorry, both sides of the runways, in each direction.

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120 monitors deployed, east of the airport, 120 deployed west of the airport.

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There are two currently two diagonal runways still in use.

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They removed the other two diagonal runways.

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Those have four additional flight paths.

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40 monitors deployed north, 40 deployed south.

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We do have monitors set up in the south currently and none in the north.

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South meaning Elmhurst, I believe we've got three or four in Elmhurst.

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We've got one in North Lake.

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So far, we've got 50 of those monitors of the 320 totals set up.

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We had a brief delay due to COVID, and we've so far received 92% of our funding by Chicago

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residents, particularly on the northwest side.

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We need support to complete the project.

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Official monitors are not up to task.

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Currently within Park Ridge there are four municipal monitors that are used by the ONCC and the FAA.

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We currently have about five or six of our monitors in Park Ridge.

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They started out.

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Park Ridge is ground zero for this problem.

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Do the fact that you've got parallel runways and you've got crisscrossing due to those diagonal runways as well.

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So in some cases there are some areas in the southern portion of park ridge that are severely affected due to the fact you've got three flight paths exposed to the residents.

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Need detailed data to prove our points and open new channels of communication communities around the airport are the biggest beneficiaries we are choosing and we have chosen and reached out to park ridge for a reason.

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You are ground zero and we initially spoke again back in early November to the airport commission regarding the project.

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Due to park ridge location within the affected areas just immediately east of the airport, we believe that park ridge can serve as a

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a bench park for other communities around the East and the Western areas around O'Hare.

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And frankly, over time, things will go well in park wage.

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We hope to use our experiences to move to other municipalities as well to increase

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the total number of monitors deployed.

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Cost of each monitor is approximately $600.

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All monitors are owned by fair.

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Four entities are allowed to record and collect data generated by each monitor, individual

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home owners and small business owners, municipalities, fair administration, specifically two of

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our board members and get noisy and LLC.

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All members, monitors, operations are secure in private.

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Oh, we also have light trackers because in order to get a good reading on how many flights

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are coming over a person's house, you have

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to identify what the flights are.

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So what's the altitude, what's the carrier, what's the FAA, call sign, direction they're

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going, there's a few over the parameters that are caught through that flight tracker device.

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There are six that are spread out over the metropolitan area they go out as far as 50 miles.

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So they capture everything within the footprint of a hair extending out about 50 miles outside of the airport boundary.

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We want to identify specific, curious, responsible for generating adverse noise impact, tracking,

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monitoring, and reporting, document, airplane noise at point of impact, inform elected leaders

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and aviation and environmental regulators, open new venues of communication.

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We have tried early on, we have tried the way of working within the ONCC, they are a good

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We have also spoken directly with our elected leaders, local, state, and federal leaders, and we still very much interact with them and the work that they're doing on this issue, but there needs to be much more of a local focus, and we believe Park Ridge can help us with that.

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Yeah, we're asking to provide budgetary approval of $17,550 to purchase 27,

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I'm supposed to be changed to install 27 noise monitors for park rich homeowners.

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Deploy monitors across all seven wards, the money will go to West by the way,

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then we will purchase the monitors for park rich as intermediaries.

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This is how we've always worked.

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The idea of going directly to the vendor is not a good idea from position of the municipality.

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Deploy the monitors across all seven wards.

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Allocate more monitors to the southern wards than the northern wards due to the fact that there's greater impact from those flight paths on the southern portion of the city.

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Deploy one monitor at City Hall, if that's possible.

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Okay, Q&A.

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Thank you very much.

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Turning the council, yes, John.

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One of the last things you mentioned was that the money would flow to you guys and you would purchase and that's better for the municipality if you tell us why.

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We believe we've got a better handle on the financial end of it and we believe that there is a potential for conflict of interest.

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So we don't get paid for our voluntary positions.

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We do this on behalf of the residents.

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And we believe an intermediary community nonprofit

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is a perfect vehicle for that.

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Again, but seven years ago, we were not a nonprofit.

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We had to go out, went ahead and visit with my contemporary

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in Los Angeles, who has been dealing with the same problem.

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And actually, it's going to get worse due to the fact

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like they were awarded the Olympics, I believe it's this year or four years, they wanted

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to build another runway out there.

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And he gave us direction in terms of what we should do.

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The role of the nonprofit as we do Sherry is important.

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It's also important in terms of donations and contributions from residents.

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We always had the goal to move towards municipalities, getting contributions and donations from municipalities.

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Any other questions?

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I got early.

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Yeah.

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Hold on a second.

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Does the FAA accept your data?

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I assume they've endorsed the product and they are accepting of your data.

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We haven't directly spoken to the FRA, we have contacted them many times, so the data speaks

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to everyone.

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So we believe that the data will allow us to have a discussion currently what I see as

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a researcher is that there is no data to speak of, even the monitors that the FAA has set

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up.

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They're just sound meters.

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You don't know if it's actually the door sound, if you don't know if it's a cat sound

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sound or the cockroach sound, you have no idea, it's just sound levels, so we are providing

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sounds and DBs only for airplanes, that changes everything.

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But will the, so what do we do with the data, and I also want to clarify, does the data,

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if parkourage pays for, does parkourage get the data, or does fair get the data?

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Parkourage gets the data, I think, if I go back a few slides you'll notice that in terms

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of data ownership.

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We will be able to, fair obviously, we'll be able to see the data as well, but park

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rich will have access to that data to use at their disposal.

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We have some ideas in terms of what we can do with that going forward.

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So in a general sense, but let me interrupt you.

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So there's another slide that all monitors are property of fair, is that correct?

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So even if the city pays for it or a resident pays for it on their own, I don't understand

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how that works, like if I as a resident, because we've always, we always started at the point

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that it would be donated and we give it to them, give those monitors to them under that

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agreement.

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Essentially, I guess that would be called a lease, right?

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With the idea, essentially, that due to the fact we're moving to 320 as our total deployment,

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we have the option to redeploy those monitors at will.

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So in some cases, but help me understand, if I buy it as a resident, I was it not my

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property? How is it your property?

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We just define that as part of the agreement, that it's a monitor that's being used to

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record, analyze, and I pay for it, but you own it.

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Whether it's residents.

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Yeah, I mean, okay, so at the time that monitors, when we started the project, we're close

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to what, 350?

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About 600. The idea is to move the overall pricing of those monitors down back to a more realistic

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number for our residents to pay.

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We're debating this, actually, your point.

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Okay. All right.

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In terms of ownership and versus lease.

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It's been, we've been debating that for a while.

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And I think there's going to be a point where we've got to decide whether or not they're going to own those full time.

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Or if they need to own them full time over the cycle of this project.

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Thank you. Yes, John.

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All up on that.

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the concern I would have is Parkridge gives you funds to employ these to our

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residents and our wards but you own them and what you just said is you can

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redeploy them elsewhere if you feel they're more necessary. Actually that means

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our our the monitors we helped fund the purchase of could end up on the

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Northwest side of Chicago. Yeah but that wouldn't be possible if we had an

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agreement basically saying they stayed within Parkridge. I mean here's the point

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I understand.

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Yeah.

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If a situation happens where you've got a few residents that are not able to do, have

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those monitors long-term, you have the option, the flexibility to bring it to another resident

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within parkourage.

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If you discover that the situation of north and south is actually far worse, that south is

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worth, you would like to redeploy some of those monitors on the south end of the airport.

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You'll have that flexibility to do that.

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We don't have any constraints in that regard.

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And then my question from earlier about the funds going to the not-for-profit

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first, we went through this with the chamber when we gave them funds and one

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of the requirements within our city code is that if we are going to fund a

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not-for-profit, you have to turn over your books and financials for us to

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inspect. I just want to make sure that's something you're aware of. That was one of

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So the reason why we formed the nine-for-profit, we could be protected in that sense.

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We just, we want to serve as the fiduciary, we don't want it to be a situation where you're bound.

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We know what's best in the sense that we best practice this system, not just within Chicago, but

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they, it's also in Montreal, I believe, but there's only a few.

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There's an opportunity here to benchmark relative to other areas that are affected by the same problem,

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the same regulations that were passed over the last 15 years.

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We're saying to redeploy to certain areas and people own these themselves. What is the chain of custody on these monitors to ensure that they're in the place that they're supposed to be in for the duration that they're supposed to be?

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Historically, we began setting these up about five years ago, four years ago. We started, we started in Park Ridge. By chain of custody, have they moved? Not one monitor has been moved since we started the project. You don't typically redeploy them? No.

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Actually, we've got it down to the point where when we started the deployment of the existing monitors that are currently in place, analyzing exactly what the impact footprint was relative to each flight path.

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Determining, essentially, what are the worst areas in terms of noise and then deploying those monitors there. We have not taken out any yet from those areas.

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is, although I-

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The assurance to, let's say, when you're looking out at the FAA,

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it's going to take this data or not.

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What is the assurance to them that these have been, in fact,

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where do you say they were?

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Certified ability.

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You want to talk about that?

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I think it's time to have a discussion with the FAA.

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They're not very communicative.

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Unfortunately, we've tried to contact them,

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but it's data.

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It's not something that it can be really qualitative

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versus quantitative.

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This is quantitative data.

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It's not an opinion and that discussion needs to happen but we've tried as researchers to contact them

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But there's no feedback

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In terms of certifiability

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In terms of what what's the I don't understand the question

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Just because of the flight patterns and no it's actually the measurements. So as as I mentioned

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It's like having a person there with a noise measurement device

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tracking this 24-7 with one-second resolution and having the intelligence AI to determine whether this is an airplane or not.

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FAA does not have that. No one has that.

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There are significant differences between what's been captured by the FAA municipal monitors and what we capture.

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Our standards are as high if not better than what those FAA monitors are currently capturing.

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I would argue given the cost of how much those municipal monitors are relative to ours,

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There's a real, there's a strong difference.

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I didn't official sentence I was supposed to read as a result of one of the questions.

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We are hoping to have discussions with the FAA as to what parameters and standards

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govern their data acquisition practices, include a data quality, temporal, resolution, and

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area coverage from the discussion, from that discussion we plan to adjust our system.

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We all know that the problem as it began, we were under the impression that it was being handled through the ONCC, and a collective body sharing an understanding that we're all in this together using their data, the CDA data in collaboration with the FAA.

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We soon realized that that data that the FAA was using was not accurate, and to make

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sure that we weren't crazy, we also spoke to other metropolitan areas that were similarly

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affected and said that what their experience is experiencing as residents in Boston, in

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Los Angeles, in Seattle, in Phoenix, did not match what they were seeing from the FAA.

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Okay, so there was a huge disconnect there.

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So we had a choice to make.

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Do we continue to go with the reality that the FAA is being

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presenting to us, or do we create a system that truly captures

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what homeowners are dealing with currently?

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We've done that.

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Actually, the system that started a few years ago was a little

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bit more rudimentary relative to the current system that we have

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here.

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We will have the opportunity to show you more in detail in terms of what the application and what in real time the system does with the data that we acquire and analyze.

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We have several solutions that we will present to you at that time in terms of what we believe that data will allow you to do.

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So you, governing product, in your presentation you mentioned that you have 50, your goal is 320 monitors, you have 50 of them deployed thus far.

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This has been a multi year process.

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What are you doing with the data that you've collected?

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We are aggregating the data, analyzing the data, and creating a system whereby, I've got to keep this general, I apologize for that,

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that, where the data can be used from a regulatory perspective and from a legal perspective.

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So let me back you up.

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You said you have to keep this general.

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Why?

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I mean, why do you have to keep it general?

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We haven't been at that point where the data, the aggregated data yet is at the point where

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we believe it can come forward.

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I want to be respectful.

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You're here asking us for $17,000.

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So, you know, again, and this is the preliminary, you know, you're not going to get approval on that tonight or denial on that tonight, but like there are going to be very specific questions surrounding that, like general answers probably won't suffice.

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Right. I understand. We started the project four years ago.

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So, 2024. So, we started and got about four quarters, about a year's worth of monitors set

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up. Some of them we've since actually know about 2.5 quarters worth. Due to COVID, we had

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to suspend everything. So, we've now come back as a result of our meeting last year and

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revisited some of the contacts we've had with other municipalities prior to that time.

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That's why there's that the way.

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Any other question?

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Yes, Monday.

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I just from a least perspective.

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I guess we're taking this more as a study.

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Have we done something more just as a, you know,

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we just want to put an RFP out for a study on noise or on airplanes

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or anything like that in the past?

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I think we have not, the short answer to your questions, we have not, we were a member

444
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of ONCC, which they mentioned, or an always compatibility commission, and they do provide

445
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:48,710
some of the data that speaks to noise.

446
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:49,050
Okay.

447
00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:54,810
And then going back to Alderman Lawrence's question, like so if there's not like a GPS

448
00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:59,150
tracking or anything like that on, there is a GPS track.

449
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:04,430
For the these devices? No, no, we're just tracking the airplanes. Okay. Yeah, privacy is

450
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:09,470
pretty good. Does the FAA have like, do their monitors have some sort of GPS tracking?

451
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:15,390
Or the FAA monitors are just sound meters. You don't know whether it's an airplane or not.

452
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:22,030
You don't know what? You don't know whether a particular sound is an airplane's sound or not.

453
00:37:22,070 --> 00:37:27,110
You mean to her point where we know where it is? Where the sensors are from FAA? Yes,

454
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:33,230
there on a map.

455
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:47,700
If I may add, there are in locations sort of somewhat arbitrarily placed because they're

456
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:56,520
not at somebody's home or their bedroom window it's it's and as you probably know the as distance

457
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,720
increases the sound decreases exponentially by a square factor so just having

458
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:05,060
oh there's one there does not mean that that's what you're feeling at home I

459
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:09,320
think that's where the gap is. Sure yeah now I mean I guess it see more toward

460
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,720
location like how do we prove they're not moving from like a GPS like my phone yeah

461
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:18,620
we don't have a yeah we're not they don't need there detected no personal

462
00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:22,780
identifiable information is being transferred between the system and

463
00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:52,680
The O'Hare Modernization Project began, they had to do a lot of environmental impact statements at the FAA did, and one of the things that came up was the fact that they had existing municipal monitors in areas that were aligned to the old runway alignment at O'Hare prior to the changes in the runways, new runways and new directions, as well as the new next gen

464
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:58,260
situation. Next gen is just basically GPS for the pilots to allow the planes to fly straighter.

465
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,280
We've all recognized planes going over your home every 60 to 90 seconds and they're much lower.

466
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,700
Those municipal monitors that were in place back in the 80s and 70s when they were the last

467
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:19,300
batch were put into the monitors have not been moved. So they are stationary municipal monitors.

468
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:22,940
our monitors are much more flexible.

469
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:27,540
Again, one last question, then we're going to move through the...

470
00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:29,960
Just one last question. So how long would you anticipate?

471
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,160
I know you're saying COVID, there was a break, but if we were to say,

472
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:39,380
let's have this study, how many is this like a six month,

473
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,840
a year, or how long is it to collect an appropriate amount of data?

474
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,960
We would start collecting within 30 days and aggregating that data.

475
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:54,540
Again, park ridges special because if it's runway alignment, because the direction,

476
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:56,000
the flight pass.

477
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:56,480
Right.

478
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,940
But is it like you're going to want the data for five years or?

479
00:40:00,260 --> 00:40:00,580
Oh, no.

480
00:40:00,980 --> 00:40:01,520
It depends.

481
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:08,420
It's the discretion of the municipality in terms of how long they want those monitors fixed in

482
00:40:08,420 --> 00:40:09,200
those positions.

483
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:12,940
And you may decide you want to move some of those monitors into other areas.

484
00:40:12,940 --> 00:40:18,580
Because we will not make that decision for you, believe you're paying for the monitors are donating on behalf of those monitors.

485
00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:20,640
You have the right to change those around.

486
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,440
Do you like the idea of having a monitor also at City Hall?

487
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,480
Great, I appreciate you guys coming in.

488
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:26,800
Thank you so much.

489
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,440
Thank you very much.

490
00:40:33,550 --> 00:40:34,810
That concludes Mayor's report.

491
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:38,030
Move on, Sam.

492
00:40:39,730 --> 00:40:47,390
Just early voting concluded on the 18th, we had a little over 1700 voters come through City Hall.

493
00:40:48,950 --> 00:41:00,050
121 voters per day, once the election results are certified, I'll be providing more specific results on voter turn-off for our city.

494
00:41:00,810 --> 00:41:01,250
That's all.

495
00:41:01,330 --> 00:41:01,590
Thank you.

496
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:03,330
City attorney.

497
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:04,490
No report tonight.

498
00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:05,230
Thank you.

499
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:06,190
City manager.

500
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:12,230
Just point out that the updated manager's report is available on the website and attached to the agenda.

501
00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:13,910
Thank you.

502
00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:17,270
Thank you.

503
00:41:18,740 --> 00:41:19,440
Thank you Mayor.

504
00:41:20,260 --> 00:41:25,900
The warrant reports are with all the person here in ten for review and posted here so if

505
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,540
anyone has any questions on those, let me know.

506
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,120
Thank you.

507
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,140
No questions?

508
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,140
Move on to consent agenda.

509
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:35,720
All items listed with an asterisk are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted

510
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:36,360
by one motion.

511
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:40,260
There will be no separate discussion of those items unless an all-to-person request in which

512
00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:44,060
event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered in its normal sequence

513
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:44,800
on the agenda.

514
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,340
The tonight's consent agenda is as follows, under Finance and Budget Committee.

515
00:41:48,860 --> 00:42:00,780
Number one, approve a purchase order for one year of Microsoft 365 licenses to go full cloud of Boca Raton, Florida, in the amount of $70,358.40.

516
00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:10,300
Number two, approve a purchase order, increase the civil tech engineering incorporated for the Cumberland Water Main Project in the amount of $38,878.57.

517
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:10,720
in sense.

518
00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:17,370
Under procedures and regulations, approve a contract and a purchase order for

519
00:42:17,370 --> 00:42:22,430
the creation of an uptown master plan document to far associates of Chicago, Illinois, in the

520
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:29,090
amount of $22,200. Under Public Works Committee, number 1, approve a contract for the FY-241

521
00:42:29,090 --> 00:42:36,590
remain valve insertion project, PW-24-09 to a superior excavating company in the amount

522
00:42:36,590 --> 00:42:39,150
amount of 391,396 dollars.

523
00:42:39,570 --> 00:42:45,550
Number two, approve a contract for one new case model, 621G wheel loader,

524
00:42:45,830 --> 00:42:50,590
tractor, to McGann industries incorporated in the amount of $231,000.

525
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:54,870
Number three, approve a contract for the D-road parking lot resurfacing project,

526
00:42:55,090 --> 00:42:58,770
PW-24-07, with advantage paving solutions,

527
00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:03,470
incorporated in the amount of $141,382.42.

528
00:43:04,070 --> 00:43:08,130
under public safety committee approve a one-year extension of the contract with Lin-Mar

529
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:13,790
Towing and Recovery Service LLC of Morton, Grow, Illinois, that concludes the consent agenda

530
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:15,530
to entertain emotional proof as read.

531
00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:16,550
Second.

532
00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:17,190
Thank you.

533
00:43:17,590 --> 00:43:18,970
Is there anyone that would like removed?

534
00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:21,910
Seeing none, any questions?

535
00:43:23,370 --> 00:43:24,430
Also, none out to the audience.

536
00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:28,630
If anyone is here wishing to make a comment on one of those items that I just read, this

537
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:30,750
would be your opportunity to make that comment.

538
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:39,760
Seeing none, I beg the council for any remaining comments, and a roll call, please so.

539
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,220
All the person, Sanchez, Lawrence, Harrington, I'm sorry.

540
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,820
Viagee, yes, leftler, yes, Moran, motion passes, 5-0.

541
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,360
Thank you very much.

542
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:54,340
Procedures for addressing the council.

543
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:59,220
Citizens wishing to speak on an action item on the agenda will be recognized when that item is being considered by the council.

544
00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:05,660
Comments from the audience will be taken after the report of the committee chair and questions from the council but before debate by the City Council.

545
00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:13,300
Citizens wish to be heard on an items not included on the formal agenda will be recognized under the agenda heading citizens wishing to address the council.

546
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,240
Speakers will be recognized at that time after indicating their interest and speaking by raising their hands.

547
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:21,360
Each of these opportunities serve as your chance to comment on these items.

548
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:25,400
It is not the time to enter into a dialogue with council, ask questions or to debate.

549
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:34,060
This is the opportunity for you to civilly share your feedback here in this forum with the council that brings us to citizens who wish you address city council on a non agenda item and

550
00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:38,620
Oh, Mr. Seapah had reached out prior to the meeting. So I will give you the opportunity to speak for

551
00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:44,290
five Helen Street

552
00:44:45,330 --> 00:44:47,250
so I took a few months off and

553
00:44:48,930 --> 00:44:54,190
I'm sorry first things first. Thank you to the police department very increased presence on

554
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:59,290
on north-east highway between Ballard and Olton is unbelievable.

555
00:44:59,730 --> 00:44:59,950
It's not-

556
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,100
I'm not uncommon for me to be walking my dog and see some red and blue's. Florida knows they deserve it, so that's great. Thank you so much for that. And then this last week, my son came home and he wants me to give this to you mayor, Mr. Marty. I'll just read what it wrote. Morning, morning. A car was speeding. It almost hit a crossing guard.

557
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:35,180
and then what he wanted to say was mayor. I want North-West Highway safer. It's

558
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:40,700
not safe Monday from Levi. So this isn't a pitch. This is he gave this to me.

559
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:45,480
He said could you give this to the mayor? I said sure. So that kind of scouting

560
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,660
back into it. It kind of sparked me up. Like okay I let it be. Things didn't really get

561
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:57,120
done besides the police department. So let's see you know let's start over. Let

562
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:06,540
me look at what's going on. I went through the M, what's it called, sir? The I.Dot,

563
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:17,980
professional signs, everything that's approved that you can put on the roads. And on the PDF that you

564
00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:25,300
guys are looking at on the last page, that's where it's showing signs that were approved and they're

565
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:31,920
good to go. So the one with the stop sign that says for pedestrians, I think that will

566
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:40,440
have a great effect. Really good help. You're driving by you see a stop sign and it's small

567
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,280
so you're not gonna stop but you know I better read this.

568
00:46:45,580 --> 00:46:47,420
And then on the ground you can

569
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:54,920
get that school in paint written out across both lanes well ahead of that crosswalk. So

570
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,280
people are driving they see on the ground school you know okay one more thing to pay attention to.

571
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:08,440
And then kind of the last thing that I thought or Michael a bunch of us have been working on this

572
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:19,100
over a while now. To have the pedestrian sign on both sides we talked about this I'm not sure why

573
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,100
I really don't know if I got an answer and I don't remember or what would be

574
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:30,680
preventing us from doing that. I know that there was a room space or a lack of

575
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:37,680
room move the signs closer to the actual sidewalk but if that's how it is

576
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,400
that's fine but if we could get another one on the other side which you can see

577
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:48,300
this clearly in the PDF that Michael made for us our goal you know if we can have

578
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:55,640
the signs, both sides, written out school on the ground, that little sign with the stop sign on it.

579
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:02,460
We're just starting to throw ideas back out at you guys.

580
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:09,200
Hopefully, something sticks, hopefully public works can take a look at this in the city and

581
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:13,300
let us know what you think, and that's all I got.

582
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,380
Thank you very much.

583
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:15,880
Thank you.

584
00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:21,090
Anyone else wish to make a comment on a non agenda item?

585
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,620
We move on with the agenda then, we move on to reports of boards, commissions, and committees.

586
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,780
We start with community health commission.

587
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:34,820
Thank you.

588
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:38,760
Farmer's Market Committee, all the process sign fells is not here.

589
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:42,480
Drew, is there anything you're aware of?

590
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,900
Sorry, I take a drink of water, right?

591
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:47,900
Yeah, right on cue.

592
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,740
Just an announcement that the market will be back at its same location.

593
00:48:52,740 --> 00:49:22,720
that was just fresh as of today, so as of their last meeting, they were proving all the vendors and going through their communications plan and they have another meeting two weeks, which is the big pre-launch for the market season so and then the market's here in May, so just to clarify, we received commitment from the owners of the last week to negotiate with that the market we can continue there for this year, and it's likely that's probably given the

594
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:25,960
And their development plans that's probably going to be all she wrote for that location.

595
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:31,860
Yeah, no commitment beyond this year and separate wing of our department.

596
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:37,980
But we have had some follow up communication with private property owners that we anticipate

597
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:42,180
like they said at the PNZ commission meeting that they'll be back, not quite sure when that

598
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:46,860
timeline would be, but I'd say by summer they will come back and have some revised proposal.

599
00:49:46,860 --> 00:49:53,280
So I didn't anticipate that track continues, but that's the news for 2020 for awesome.

600
00:49:53,420 --> 00:49:54,420
I'll say any thank you.

601
00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:55,020
Yeah, no problem.

602
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,280
Uh, Finance and Budget Committee, anything additional, John?

603
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,900
No additional report.

604
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,040
Thank you.

605
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:07,340
Library Board of Directors, there is no report this evening as is there is no report with

606
00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:08,460
liquor license for view board.

607
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:13,920
Um, I feel like we just got a healthy dose and I know here and deal here meeting for this

608
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,740
evening was canceled.

609
00:50:15,620 --> 00:50:19,700
there's supposed to be upstairs but did not take place.

610
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,060
Some of those folks are here though, watching the presentation.

611
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:24,120
Outstanding?

612
00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:27,480
Procedures or regulations?

613
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:29,460
Again, all the prints...

614
00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:30,720
No, I'm sorry.

615
00:50:31,060 --> 00:50:31,340
I'm here.

616
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,660
I almost kicked you out of the meeting.

617
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:33,780
All right.

618
00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:34,920
Planning and zoning standards.

619
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,080
That's what I thought I was reading.

620
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:40,500
Under proceedings and regulations,

621
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:50,100
Since we're opening up a public hearing for consideration of the City of Park Ridge, 2024 affordable housing plan, do I need to make a motion?

622
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,300
So moved.

623
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:54,180
Second.

624
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,140
Who am I turning this over to?

625
00:50:57,780 --> 00:50:58,160
They can be.

626
00:50:58,380 --> 00:50:59,480
We just need to always speak.

627
00:50:59,740 --> 00:50:59,940
That's it.

628
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:00,200
Okay.

629
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,920
All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

630
00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:05,860
Aye.

631
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:07,300
I turn

632
00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:11,040
it over to you Drew.

633
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:23,840
Yeah, and then my understanding is we just take any public comment as part of the public hearing and close it and then open up for public comment on the public hearing on the 2024

634
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,080
or great affordable housing plan.

635
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:32,000
So if there's any public comment on the affordable housing plan, this would be your opportunity to make that just raise your hand if you wish.

636
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:32,860
Yes, ma'am.

637
00:51:32,860 --> 00:51:33,720
I'm

638
00:51:42,390 --> 00:52:01,350
Kristen Berg, 1505, Devine Avenue, I've spoken to you several times about the housing plan, and I'm glad to see that the plan is going forward, that it has as many components as it has, I'm here to again state my views that

639
00:52:01,350 --> 00:52:09,790
that without consideration of a mandatory inclusionary zoning ordinance, I don't think

640
00:52:09,790 --> 00:52:16,310
we're going to see any creation of new affordable units in Park Ridge.

641
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:26,310
With the possible exception, and it gets to my second kind of pillar of what I would think

642
00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:33,870
I think would be in the plan would be if you do move forward with an all affordable senior housing development,

643
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:36,870
which I certainly hope that you will.

644
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:40,530
I don't see how you can say no to the seniors.

645
00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:52,610
I hope it would be on city owned property that would greatly speed up the process because as we know there's not very many sites available for development in park ridge.

646
00:52:53,390 --> 00:53:12,450
And I would also ask that you consider donating that property because that would greatly help the financing of the project not only in getting state financing, but also in getting state housing tax credits, which would add to the viability of the project.

647
00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:20,430
So, I hope that you would consider that it's the same incentives you're going to have

648
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:27,570
to provide incentives whether you have a mandatory inclusionary zoning ordinance or a voluntary.

649
00:53:27,890 --> 00:53:30,550
You're kind of looking at the same types of concessions.

650
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:33,010
So, I would ask that you think about that.

651
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:42,210
And I really hope that we will create some units in Park Ridge because it's absolutely needed

652
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:45,790
and been really lacking for a long time.

653
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:47,150
So anyway, thank you.

654
00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:48,810
Thank you.

655
00:53:49,650 --> 00:53:50,730
Any other comments?

656
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:57,080
Seeing none, I will move to close this hearing.

657
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:58,260
I'll move.

658
00:53:58,420 --> 00:53:58,680
Second.

659
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,040
Although it's in favor, please signify by saying aye.

660
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:02,840
Aye.

661
00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:07,060
The move is us on to our next item.

662
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,720
I make a motion for the approval of the City of Park Ridge

663
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,620
2024 Portable Housing Plane.

664
00:54:12,740 --> 00:54:13,440
I move.

665
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,140
There's second.

666
00:54:18,090 --> 00:54:19,630
Through my turn, it's over to you.

667
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:49,590
I don't think it needs a much introduction because we've discussed a lot of material on the website and in the memo, but as you all know, I think the one sentence version is there is a state of Illinois law that requires if you have less than 10% affordable housing under their method that you write a plan adopted and file it with Ida in Springfield and that is exactly what we have before us tonight is that draft plan that has gone through an extensive process. And if adopted we will file it, which there's

668
00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:54,730
some detail, but by large puts the City of Parkridge in compliance until June of 2029.

669
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:57,030
Any questions, yes, John?

670
00:54:58,330 --> 00:55:03,290
So, Drew, we approve this this evening, it gets filed with the state.

671
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:07,910
What has changed in Parkridge by doing this?

672
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:12,850
Have we taken any actual action to move the needle?

673
00:55:13,210 --> 00:55:15,890
Because I see a lot of, we're going to consider, we're going to evaluate,

674
00:55:15,890 --> 00:55:26,570
We're going to, has, does anything in this document change, or is it business as usual the way it's been in the last 10, 15, 20, 30 years?

675
00:55:28,090 --> 00:55:41,210
Adopting the plan won't necessarily change any other law or create any other program, like you said it's a plan, so it creates a punch list of things for us as a community and for your own city council to come back to and

676
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:46,210
meetings and discuss if we want to pass this ordinance to create this program or let me

677
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:51,110
this fear whatever the different ideas are. But that's work we have to do in future years

678
00:55:51,690 --> 00:55:58,950
and that's basically the construction of the laws after we adopt a plan before we follow up with

679
00:55:58,950 --> 00:56:04,170
Ida on those reporting deadlines if we basically have never met ever again and they say well what did

680
00:56:04,170 --> 00:56:09,610
you all do to implement your plan what have you all done to work towards those goals is a you know

681
00:56:09,610 --> 00:56:13,250
Cartoon example of nothing we've never met and we've never discussed it again

682
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:18,370
I would fully anticipate it would say well you're not sincerely trying to work on this you're not really in compliance

683
00:56:18,370 --> 00:56:19,070
with the law

684
00:56:19,070 --> 00:56:25,110
So it is an important step and it brings the city into compliance with the state law and it

685
00:56:25,110 --> 00:56:27,090
picks some goals and it

686
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:34,530
puts some strategies on a menu, but then we have to work towards adopting those ordinances which would have the direct impact

687
00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:37,640
So follow up for Joe

688
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:39,480
since a lot of

689
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:48,400
What we do here is driven by a strategic plan and this wasn't in the last version of the strategic plan in any way, shape or form.

690
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:59,000
Do you plan to insert this into your strategic plan? Do you need us to give you the authority to do that?

691
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:07,720
How do we make sure that this isn't something that sits on the shelf till 2029? What's your strategy for that?

692
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:15,060
Yeah, I think that incorporating it into our strategic plan would be a good next move.

693
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:21,460
The budget cycle includes a review of the strategic plan annually, so when we do that, I think

694
00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:25,940
that's typically late summer, mid-summer.

695
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:35,760
I could see this being incorporated into that, probably keep it on the, you know, the PNR

696
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:42,140
Our list has the future P and R agenda items and then it also has the strategic list, there's sort of two lists.

697
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:49,880
I would think this would fall on the strategic list so that we can capture it, track it, give it visibility.

698
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,780
So that would be probably a good place to punch list it out.

699
00:57:54,380 --> 00:57:54,840
Thank you.

700
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:55,500
Thanks.

701
00:57:56,140 --> 00:57:57,100
Any other questions?

702
00:57:58,820 --> 00:58:01,060
Up to the audience for anyone wishing me a comment?

703
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:04,760
Seeing none, back to council.

704
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:32,020
I would just suggest that maybe before we have the strategic plan discussion, staff, and potentially even planning and zoning chime in on which goals or objectives might be the first, second, third in their minds so that then we can have a more robust discussion about whether we agree, disagree, want to reorder things and go from there.

705
00:58:32,020 --> 00:58:37,580
but some guidance from planning and zoning and from staff would be helpful to facilitate that discussion.

706
00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:45,640
But other than that, I'm glad we're submitting something more than a napkin or something like that.

707
00:58:47,660 --> 00:58:48,600
Any other comments?

708
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:50,760
Roll call, please.

709
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:52,580
All the person, Lawrence?

710
00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:53,160
Yes.

711
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:53,840
Yachi?

712
00:58:54,060 --> 00:58:54,260
Yes.

713
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:54,940
Leftler?

714
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:55,380
Yes.

715
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:55,980
Ran?

716
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:56,480
Yes.

717
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:57,220
Sanchez?

718
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:57,560
Yes.

719
00:58:58,100 --> 00:58:59,480
Motion passes 5-0.

720
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,320
Just

721
00:59:04,730 --> 00:59:13,090
to our next item, I make a motion to approve the first reading of an ordinance approving changes to the license fee schedule for outdoor cafes applicable in 2024.

722
00:59:13,530 --> 00:59:13,830
Second,

723
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,840
turn it over to you.

724
00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:18,420
Sure.

725
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:24,580
You'll recall this topic from just two weeks ago and of course many meetings in the past couple of years.

726
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:35,520
This really just acts on the direction and guidance we've received from the city council two weeks ago, which is to bring the program back for 2024 with no proposed changes.

727
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,560
is the way that the ordinance was adopted last year

728
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,660
is that the fee that the city charges

729
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:43,700
for the use of public property, mostly parking spaces,

730
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,700
is adopted annually.

731
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,580
So as you see in the ordinance,

732
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,200
the only change is literally just June 2023 to 2024.

733
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,480
But that does take city council action

734
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,620
to authorize staff to, you know,

735
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:58,320
invoice and charge for that program.

736
00:59:59,040 --> 00:59:59,780
Thank you, Drew.

737
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
Questions, yes, John? Yep. Seeing as how this is the first reading, I'm fine with it. I would like to see. We seem to have lost some of the language from last year's approval on the discount rate that we were applying. This sort of makes it seem like that was the rate, and this is the rate we're going to keep, and it doesn't really reference the prior calculated rate that we have agreed to reevaluate from time to time. But at some point, if we're going to look at raising this, I think we need to have that reevaluation.

738
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:36,560
And I don't want it to fall by the wayside because somebody reads this memo and thinks that's just the rate.

739
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:42,880
Yeah, we can definitely include that in the historical piece of the memo for the same thing.

740
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:43,600
Thank you.

741
01:00:43,860 --> 01:00:44,500
Kalk it out.

742
01:00:44,740 --> 01:00:44,820
Yeah.

743
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:47,260
Any other questions?

744
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:50,860
Go to the audience.

745
01:00:51,260 --> 01:00:53,560
Anyone in the audience wish to make a comment on this?

746
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,360
I mean, Sheila Duda from T. Lula at 11 South Fairview.

747
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:08,000
You should have received two memorandum with your regarding this issue tonight from Mr.

748
01:01:08,180 --> 01:01:09,000
Salari and myself.

749
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:17,440
And we are proposing a compromise to the time frame of this outdoor dining going from

750
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:23,080
November through, or I'm sorry, May through November, which is about six months and reducing

751
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:29,420
that for more in line with like summer festival time from Memorial Day to Labor Day.

752
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:50,160
So, we ask that you take that into consideration by reducing the number of months because the elimination of those parking spaces for six months is really difficult for the businesses adjacent to the closure on Main Street and Justin is an example of how difficult parking already is south of the tracks.

753
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:55,940
I received a wonderful call today from a potential customer who had a friend that was the

754
01:01:55,940 --> 01:02:00,660
head afternoon tea at Tila recently and said it was a wonderful experience, but she

755
01:02:00,660 --> 01:02:01,800
had a heck of a time parking.

756
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:07,400
The woman calling me today was looking to rent my space for 32 people on the Thursday afternoon.

757
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,820
Her primary concern, after I told her it was $100 a person.

758
01:02:12,380 --> 01:02:15,180
So for her to bring her club, it would be $3,200.

759
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,900
That was not her concern whatsoever.

760
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:23,940
It's like where are we going to park everyone in my club that's coming to this that we want to bring to your

761
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:30,540
Tear room are well over 50 years old and we heard that parking in the area is impossible

762
01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:34,560
So I gave her some alternatives such as going to the parking lot at the

763
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,620
Library crossing the tracks and she's like this is ridiculous

764
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,500
But there's no parking for

765
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,860
People coming to your establishment. So I just want to emphasize again. How

766
01:02:48,180 --> 01:02:51,240
how strenuous it is for customers to find parking.

767
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,740
And I really don't feel that there's any evidence

768
01:02:53,740 --> 01:02:55,780
to substantiate the fact that we've heard

769
01:02:55,780 --> 01:02:58,260
from other people, that people Uber or Walk.

770
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,300
My business is a destination business.

771
01:03:01,620 --> 01:03:04,020
No one is Ubering or Walking to T'lula.

772
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:07,320
They are coming by car from surrounding communities.

773
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,400
Some as far away as Indiana and Wisconsin.

774
01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:14,980
So I really ask that you look at this issue

775
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:28,520
with the two, the concept of reducing the number of months from May, from Memorial Day to Labor Day, and really looking to see what solutions you can offer as far as bringing back some parking to South of the tracks.

776
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:29,760
Thank you.

777
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:30,400
Thank you.

778
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:31,260
Hi,

779
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:42,240
Amy DeGrazio, 27 and 29 self prospect.

780
01:03:43,260 --> 01:03:48,540
This came about after two weeks ago when we were all here, Tony and Declan and Bob and

781
01:03:48,540 --> 01:03:49,980
we were all chatting after the meeting.

782
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:53,920
This is just about parking, just to throw it out there because I know there's like another

783
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:59,340
comprehensive plan coming for the city of Park Ridge and Tony said you said it, so I'll

784
01:03:59,340 --> 01:03:59,980
say it out loud.

785
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:07,520
Have we ever considered using the huge spot in Park Ridge known as the library?

786
01:04:08,740 --> 01:04:13,820
going down to two levels, retail and restaurants on the first floor, library, second and third floor.

787
01:04:14,340 --> 01:04:19,180
I know we talked about it 24 years ago when I was on the committee to redo the Uptown,

788
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:25,320
and it's been that long, but last two weeks ago, people kept talking about things south of the tracks,

789
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,680
like where could we put a parking garage, where could we do this, like the restaurants would like more parking, too.

790
01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:34,980
Like if they could fill up their indoor and their outdoor, and Sheila could fill up her place,

791
01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:40,220
and we can, you know, we actually have places people want to go now, so parking is essential?

792
01:04:40,900 --> 01:04:43,400
Could be just like a great win-win for everybody.

793
01:04:45,590 --> 01:04:46,090
Thank you.

794
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:50,980
Any other comments?

795
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:54,090
Seeing none?

796
01:04:55,890 --> 01:04:57,550
Back to council for any remaining comments.

797
01:05:00,290 --> 01:05:03,070
I guess, right. I mean it's actually a question in light of

798
01:05:04,350 --> 01:05:08,110
the comment, the public comment, that was made. So it's my understanding that

799
01:05:08,110 --> 01:05:15,690
that Arsol have land just to the south of Tlula, the parking lot, has been purchased

800
01:05:15,690 --> 01:05:21,170
and is in process of coming before PNZ for development, and they're proposing multiple

801
01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:22,750
condos and retail, whatever.

802
01:05:23,250 --> 01:05:30,090
Just curious, that lot currently is private and is not open to the public, but it has the

803
01:05:30,090 --> 01:05:36,150
city discussed what the impact is going to be on top of the existing parking problem that

804
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:40,870
that these businesses that are experiencing when that development goes in in short-term.

805
01:05:41,810 --> 01:05:44,430
And whether that needs to impact what we're doing tonight.

806
01:05:47,380 --> 01:05:51,120
The lots you're talking about are privately owned now.

807
01:05:51,620 --> 01:05:56,380
They were, they changed hands, or there's some agreement between AT&T and Rain Capital.

808
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:02,140
But the impact is, no, these are, I think he's speaking about, on Fairview, correct.

809
01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:03,620
It's across from Paul.

810
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:04,720
Yeah,

811
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:29,060
it's yeah, it's directly private. Any development would have to be the parking or traffic impact of that would be part of the PNZ consideration and development of that property. So I'm not sure exactly what they're talking about bringing forward, but that would all have to be discussed and considered in the development.

812
01:06:30,380 --> 01:06:36,720
Is that on the schedule for PNZ or is it still too early even for that?

813
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:42,780
A proposed development is not, they have not applied and is not on the schedule yet.

814
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:49,680
They have been in communication with the city for probably two years since A and A sold that real estate.

815
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:55,260
And then they have been in more of a due diligence phase the last probably three months.

816
01:06:55,260 --> 01:07:04,440
So we have a sense of what the development will be, which is some multi-story mixed-use type of development pretty similar to what's in that general area now.

817
01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:10,060
There are plans that are available for it right now.

818
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:19,260
But to the city managers point, you know, they would have to comply with zoning code. So housing has to provide for its own parking per code.

819
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:25,440
commercial, the B4 district doesn't require parking for many uses, smaller square footage

820
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:26,100
areas.

821
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:30,780
The development might be a PUD where that's something that the PNZ commission and the

822
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:34,680
city council can look at is what type of parking do we want that development to privately

823
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:39,300
provide versus rely on the publicly provided lots in or street parking.

824
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,620
So that's all part of that consideration.

825
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:48,420
But to the comment, I think they're generally chained and since they changed hands, the current

826
01:07:48,420 --> 01:07:53,440
private property owners, not really wanted people to park on those lots, where A and A I don't think

827
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,820
really controlled that very much, so that was a change in the last couple of years as I understand it,

828
01:07:58,860 --> 01:08:03,920
but it's same conversation we've had before, it's private property, they could come into CP&D and

829
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:10,220
apply for a five-foot privacy fence around the whole property and we'd have to be that unlikely issue

830
01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:11,000
defense permits.

831
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:14,490
Yeah, John.

832
01:08:15,070 --> 01:08:20,550
So it's all going to be Ajji's last question was should that potential project have any

833
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:21,790
bearing on what we're doing tonight?

834
01:08:21,970 --> 01:08:23,550
It sounds like they're not far enough along.

835
01:08:24,170 --> 01:08:28,730
We're going to be well through outdoor dining season, which is the agenda item before us,

836
01:08:29,470 --> 01:08:36,070
before anything substantial in terms of more density, more cars in the area, more people have

837
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:36,510
an impact.

838
01:08:36,730 --> 01:08:36,850
Correct?

839
01:08:37,790 --> 01:08:38,290
Correct.

840
01:08:38,290 --> 01:08:43,730
Yeah, if you're talking about timing the two, I mean, we usually say it takes 90 days to get through entitlements

841
01:08:43,730 --> 01:08:48,510
Which is applied legally notice P&Z commission and through you all and then a project like that

842
01:08:48,510 --> 01:08:52,290
I would think would take close to a year at the fastest to build

843
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:53,890
so I mean

844
01:08:54,450 --> 01:08:58,250
I October there's almost no way that I'd be aware of

845
01:09:00,690 --> 01:09:07,610
Yes, I guess I just renew my my request from last last meeting that we look to see

846
01:09:08,330 --> 01:09:13,610
we can increase parking in that area south of the tracks, whether it's, you know,

847
01:09:13,710 --> 01:09:18,910
making fair view one way and putting more diagonal parking, they can vine from prospect

848
01:09:18,910 --> 01:09:24,550
butler one way, adding more diagonal parking, they can maintain one way, adding more diagonal

849
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:24,970
parking.

850
01:09:25,530 --> 01:09:30,810
I am very sensitive to the concerns of the business owners in town.

851
01:09:31,750 --> 01:09:36,750
Having said that, to the extent that we're looking for grants for Main Street, I think

852
01:09:36,750 --> 01:09:38,570
I would be reluctant to shorten the season.

853
01:09:38,730 --> 01:09:40,810
I think we want to show that we're using that street.

854
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:43,350
That's fullest extents.

855
01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:44,910
So that's my one comment.

856
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:46,550
Yes.

857
01:09:46,790 --> 01:09:51,050
I guess that was one of, so that gets the second question.

858
01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:55,630
Are we in line with, I'm assuming we are with other communities

859
01:09:55,630 --> 01:10:01,190
and they're outdoor dining, with the fleet till October?

860
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:06,330
I mean, I know we do like you a lot.

861
01:10:09,810 --> 01:10:35,720
I think there's a lot of uniqueness to it, but yeah, I believe that it's not unusual to have a season that lasts as ours does, but there is a lot of variety to it when we surveyed it a year ago or more, there was quite a bit of variety between communities in a lot of regards and costs and season and everything.

862
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,140
but I wouldn't say this is unusual.

863
01:10:39,260 --> 01:10:44,140
And then I guess the fees that we're collecting,

864
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:46,360
I'm sorry if I missed this in the last meeting,

865
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,540
do we have plans for this next year

866
01:10:48,540 --> 01:10:53,320
for putting it back into the other businesses?

867
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:54,660
Yeah, we do.

868
01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:57,660
Lisa might be able to weigh in better than I can,

869
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:02,660
but the fees collected are split into two pieces,

870
01:11:02,660 --> 01:11:07,800
to components. A third of it goes in sort of back into beautification of the area, which

871
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:15,500
is the one component and then two-thirds of it go into a non-restraint marketing budget.

872
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:21,720
At least I don't know if you want to give a few snapshots of what's planned, but we have some

873
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:28,260
things ordered and some things have arrived. The amount of money collected not to diminish it,

874
01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:30,360
but from an individual business standpoint,

875
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,680
but in totality, it's not a significant amount of money.

876
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:39,280
It goes fairly quickly, but we have plowed all the money

877
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,920
back in as we pledged in the prior years,

878
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:46,320
and I know there's some plans and budgets in 2024 as well.

879
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,620
Yeah, I mean, some of the non-restraint marketing items

880
01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:54,040
that we're doing is it'll be in your mailboxes in April,

881
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:55,060
and then there'll be more.

882
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:58,660
It's a shopping district map that lists all the restaurants,

883
01:11:58,900 --> 01:12:03,240
businesses, and shopping that has a business license with the city of Park Ridge.

884
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,860
And that's going to be a nice enhancement.

885
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,040
And then we have different items that we're doing with the farmer's market,

886
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,700
some increased photography, some of the stuff that you've already been seeing,

887
01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:14,320
but we're pushing it out to the next level.

888
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:25,040
So some of the public comment this evening was to shorten the season of the outdoor dining.

889
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,180
because of the impact on parking.

890
01:12:28,420 --> 01:12:31,480
If we were to do that, I don't know if this is Joe or Drew.

891
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,520
If we were to do that, I guess my first question is,

892
01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:39,180
do any of the businesses along prospect take up parking?

893
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:46,600
Or expand it outdoor dining, the Shaku, Icaromba, Patina, are they taking parking spaces this year for outdoor dining?

894
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,900
I think they've indicated that they'd like to, yeah, in an initial survey,

895
01:12:53,260 --> 01:12:54,780
because I know it does.

896
01:12:54,780 --> 01:13:01,400
I know the other expanded is positive pizza, but they don't eat up any parking spaces.

897
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,860
They just take up some loading zone in front of.

898
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,480
Yeah, and I don't think Holtz takes over parking anymore either.

899
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:07,560
Easy street?

900
01:13:07,820 --> 01:13:08,580
They don't use street.

901
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:09,580
Oh, they don't.

902
01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:11,800
They're out in Devon.

903
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:12,360
They're out in Devon.

904
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:12,640
They're on Devon.

905
01:13:12,860 --> 01:13:12,960
Yeah.

906
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:14,300
He just said easy street.

907
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:15,780
I was wondering if they were doing anything.

908
01:13:16,940 --> 01:13:17,700
That would be dangerous.

909
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:23,040
So if we did something, so again, this is based on conversations I've had with some of

910
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:41,880
The business owners after the last meeting, what I was told the conversation outside here was is that maybe chop off a couple weeks at the beginning of May and a couple weeks in early October and cut it at that don't go basically shorten it, but not to the extent of Memorial Day to Labor Day.

911
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:52,040
And it I don't we give thumbs up thumbs down if people agree with my what I was told was sort of the initial conversation.

912
01:13:53,460 --> 01:13:55,980
But that'd be something I'd be willing to entertain.

913
01:13:56,440 --> 01:14:02,640
I wouldn't necessarily want it to impact the, I guess, just posse, because they're not really taking up parking.

914
01:14:02,740 --> 01:14:05,140
If they want it for the full time, that's fine, they could pay for it.

915
01:14:05,180 --> 01:14:13,060
But if the folks that do eat up street and parking spaces would be willing to compromise with their neighbors and

916
01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:18,460
take a couple of weeks off the front and back is, I guess my question is, can the city work within those parameters?

917
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,760
If we decide that's something we'd like to do?

918
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:24,440
We can definitely shorten it if that's the decision.

919
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:31,200
What I'd prefer to have one program for citywide, because we roll it out once, we roll it up once.

920
01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:36,360
There's not confusion about who's doing it and who's not.

921
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,960
Yeah, if it goes up and posse, and they don't see Main Street shut down, people think out.

922
01:14:40,220 --> 01:14:42,200
The weather's nice and it'll be doing a change.

923
01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:48,440
So if the season from May 1st to October 31st changes, that's not a problem for staff.

924
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:56,260
It's just, I'd rather, I think it makes more sense to have one size fits all for the citywide program.

925
01:14:56,260 --> 01:14:59,960
If we weren't...

926
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:30,000
May 17th through October 11th that had cut one, two, three, four, five weeks off, or we could go through the 18th of October, would basically cut one month off, and we could reduce the rental rate for some of the parking spaces, the use of public property. Is that that would be feasible, that proposal?

927
01:15:34,980 --> 01:15:42,720
I don't want to decide something that causes a lot of extra headache.

928
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:50,040
Well, I'm going to push back a little bit because I have concern that we're going to make a decision that affects the entire town.

929
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,300
Admittedly, not every business and every restaurant in town is participating in this.

930
01:15:54,300 --> 01:16:00,780
But we're going to make a decision tonight, based on a handful of places that talked in

931
01:16:00,780 --> 01:16:02,640
a parking lot and came up to a, with a counter.

932
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:08,740
I talked, I'll just, I reached out to another business, restaurant business before the

933
01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:14,080
meeting tonight, and they had a different opinion about if we are going to shorten the season,

934
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:15,840
what they would prefer.

935
01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:24,140
So, so, so, and again, I think if we talk to the other restaurants that participate, we

936
01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:28,940
That's what concerns me is that we're going to, I don't know what the best answer is, but this restaurant tour

937
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:35,580
their opinion was that may is significantly more valuable to them than October.

938
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,560
Because people are just in the mind to get out, they spend more month.

939
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,920
They better go May 1 to September 3rd.

940
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,060
Yeah, they're exact.

941
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,020
Their priority was stay the same.

942
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:51,480
Their second priority was May 1st till October 15th, and then it was May 1 to October 1.

943
01:16:56,260 --> 01:16:57,200
Any other comments?

944
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,000
I

945
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:08,880
would suggest that maybe cutting off October, I mean, I don't know, yeah, again, this is,

946
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:16,800
or do we keep it the way it is and adjust it for next year and hope that we get some streetscape stuff,

947
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:18,260
but if we don't, we'll definitely move it.

948
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:25,900
I think the consideration we've taken to next year, I don't think this year at this point,

949
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:37,120
The parking issues that have been brought up to me aren't solved by shortening this period at getting 30 parking spots for senior citizens around the area is going to be hard.

950
01:17:37,940 --> 01:17:45,040
You're not going to be guaranteed that parking. So the problem presented tonight with this shortening, it's not solved by shortening this period.

951
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,640
It's always going to be a problem. We don't have guaranteed parking.

952
01:17:50,840 --> 01:18:03,380
Drew, did we have a meeting with where we invited, I know we just, we just today got us some feedback on a survey, I think that was shared with council before we walked in, but there was a meeting, right?

953
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,840
Not like with us, but with the businesses and the restaurants.

954
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,380
Constantly put the restaurant that participated in the program.

955
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:18,560
It was more like customer feedback loop for people who had actually participated on the administration of it.

956
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:19,780
You know, pick up.

957
01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:21,560
Did we get feedback on the season?

958
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:29,400
We just informed that we were going to no proposed changes for this year.

959
01:18:29,620 --> 01:18:32,300
So I don't know that I heard any feedback about that.

960
01:18:32,540 --> 01:18:37,460
To the city managers comment, I think we've heard people, we've heard a variety of different

961
01:18:37,460 --> 01:18:42,480
feedback that it's like well you know trim a couple weeks here a couple weeks there we've had a restaurant

962
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:47,800
asked if we could do it till Thanksgiving and roll it into the chambers holiday and shop small

963
01:18:48,380 --> 01:18:53,640
small business Saturday events. I think I just echoed to the city managers

964
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:59,420
point we don't want to run 20 discrete programs for each customized business so

965
01:19:00,020 --> 01:19:05,360
there's folks that say sure you know is it that three little bears or whatever it's like

966
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,680
a little shorter, a little longer, got it just right.

967
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,520
I think we've heard all three versions.

968
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,480
Was the meeting pretty well attended?

969
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,200
We only had one restaurant actually attend in person,

970
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,680
although we had a number of them submit their surveys,

971
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,320
and that was my understanding from our staff

972
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,700
was they felt like submitting this survey was sufficient.

973
01:19:27,340 --> 01:19:29,540
They didn't juggle in their schedule.

974
01:19:29,540 --> 01:19:31,920
They chose not to attend in an in-person meeting.

975
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:39,910
any other comments and

976
01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:45,880
is I think John you pointed out this is a first read so they're

977
01:19:47,060 --> 01:19:48,900
there's more dialogue and

978
01:19:54,370 --> 01:20:00,370
I mean I guess I'm not opposed to cutting off like that

979
01:20:00,370 --> 01:20:05,670
over I'm looking at Arlington Heights and there's this major September not that we

980
01:20:05,670 --> 01:20:13,710
base it on one but but in all fairness we did talk about doing this earlier and

981
01:20:13,710 --> 01:20:21,210
having the communication which you guys did to make it reasonable for the

982
01:20:21,210 --> 01:20:30,690
restaurants to turn to a program. In John I wanted to your point I wouldn't I'm

983
01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:33,970
not married to the dates either I mean in the end at the end of the day if a

984
01:20:33,970 --> 01:20:37,810
change makes sense for everybody I think that makes perfect sense and I would

985
01:20:37,810 --> 01:20:41,830
support that my fear is that we do something tonight that we have somebody

986
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:45,250
That's what I'm, that's what it would be working on.

987
01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:49,980
So, any other?

988
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:52,480
All right, now so, for real.

989
01:20:53,980 --> 01:20:55,240
All the person, Biagee?

990
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:55,540
Yes.

991
01:20:55,900 --> 01:20:56,220
Leftler?

992
01:20:56,420 --> 01:20:56,560
Yes.

993
01:20:56,740 --> 01:20:57,040
Moran?

994
01:20:57,380 --> 01:20:57,600
Yes.

995
01:20:57,980 --> 01:20:58,300
Sanchez?

996
01:20:58,480 --> 01:20:58,600
Yes.

997
01:20:58,840 --> 01:20:59,080
Lawrence.

998
01:20:59,700 --> 01:21:01,100
Motion passes, 5-0.

999
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:01,900
All right.

1000
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,780
It was unanimous, but would anyone prefer that it not come back?

1001
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:06,780
Just to keep it all consistent.

1002
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,220
No, no, you can be yes, but I'll just ask for it to be on consent, or not on consent.

1003
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:10,680
I'll be a no.

1004
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,320
Why if you want to be a no?

1005
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,180
So, I'm very mzuky each and I.

1006
01:21:14,220 --> 01:21:14,840
All right.

1007
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:15,840
All right.

1008
01:21:17,780 --> 01:21:19,180
And that's a fair pannar.

1009
01:21:19,460 --> 01:21:20,080
You changed his vote.

1010
01:21:20,220 --> 01:21:20,320
Yep.

1011
01:21:20,660 --> 01:21:23,860
And moral to the story, can we not bring this back on consent?

1012
01:21:24,180 --> 01:21:24,260
Yep.

1013
01:21:25,660 --> 01:21:27,800
That's all I was going to ask you to change your vote.

1014
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,730
All right.

1015
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:33,370
Anything additional for me?

1016
01:21:33,410 --> 01:21:33,570
That's it.

1017
01:21:33,950 --> 01:21:34,070
All right.

1018
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:35,270
Very good.

1019
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:38,770
That brings us to public works.

1020
01:21:39,170 --> 01:21:43,210
And actually, I do want to, before we jump to public works,

1021
01:21:44,210 --> 01:21:55,550
Something that was raised by the businesses here about this was the parking, you know, and again, it's been a couple of years since we've really looked at that.

1022
01:21:55,610 --> 01:22:07,470
I know we did a parking study, but it's been more, it's probably longer than I remember than I would even remember, but I know we did one, but there's been a lot of change, there's been COVID, a lot more developments.

1023
01:22:07,470 --> 01:22:11,970
Maybe it is time to re-look at that at parking specifically.

1024
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:16,430
Maybe there's an opportunity with some of the developments that are happening.

1025
01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:22,610
I know we've looked at, we as a council, I'm not letting any secrets out, but we own that lot on summit.

1026
01:22:23,470 --> 01:22:31,830
We've looked at that about potentially going up or down, really we've talked about going up in public private partnership, and that really hasn't gone anywhere.

1027
01:22:32,190 --> 01:22:36,870
But maybe there's something we can look at on the south side of the tracks.

1028
01:22:36,870 --> 01:23:01,610
If, if, uh, or the nor, or that same spot for that matter, but maybe it is time we take a look at that again, um, in the form of a study, or maybe we reach out to that, uh, if there's development taking place over there on, on fair view, maybe there's an opportunity to work with, uh, that particular property owner, uh, to work together, or maybe even the AT&T folks, which a little bit further over, but, uh,

1029
01:23:02,810 --> 01:23:04,790
In change, maybe there's opportunity for it.

1030
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:15,190
To piggyback on that, I may to do either the AT&T development or the Fairview Avenue development if they come in as a putter or whatever they.

1031
01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:23,250
I know we don't require new businesses, a new restaurant in Uptown, in the Uptown Core doesn't need a parking study like it used to.

1032
01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:28,230
That used to be a kind of a litmus test that, well, they're able to prove they have enough parking so it's okay.

1033
01:23:28,770 --> 01:23:29,850
Now you don't have to do that.

1034
01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:33,430
Will these developments have to conduct some sort of a parking study?

1035
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:39,910
I think they answered, yes, I think we've already told them both of those projects.

1036
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:44,490
We feel like we need a traffic study and the difference is it's new construction.

1037
01:23:44,930 --> 01:23:49,170
So when you have an existing building and even a business is turned over, you have some baseline

1038
01:23:49,170 --> 01:23:49,750
to work from.

1039
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:53,710
When it's brand new construction, all of that's new activity to the area.

1040
01:23:54,110 --> 01:23:59,110
Obviously both of those are very much bigger, but both of those are fairly sizable projects,

1041
01:23:59,110 --> 01:24:00,530
So that'll add activity.

1042
01:24:01,030 --> 01:24:07,450
So it's something we want to analyze in that review process to what degree they have to provide private parking.

1043
01:24:08,850 --> 01:24:10,510
That's stuff that we deliberate on.

1044
01:24:10,570 --> 01:24:18,190
They could hire a firm, a consulting firm to do a parking study to prove that between private we provided and publicly accessible, they're okay.

1045
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:26,510
So maybe we wait and see how those come back as sort of a little indication and then go from there.

1046
01:24:26,510 --> 01:24:31,170
I mean, the problem I see isn't necessarily quantity.

1047
01:24:31,390 --> 01:24:36,970
It's the location of the parking and, in general, people's willingness to walk to blocks.

1048
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:46,030
If you're willing to walk from where the Pusheen headquarters is now to Tee Lula,

1049
01:24:46,030 --> 01:24:47,510
you'll be able to find plenty of parking.

1050
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:52,230
Or over on that side street, just the other side of Fairview by the AT&T lot,

1051
01:24:52,350 --> 01:24:53,390
there's always spots available.

1052
01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:57,190
and those are, I think, free after 11 a.m.,

1053
01:24:57,190 --> 01:24:57,870
not even meters.

1054
01:24:58,910 --> 01:25:01,430
But again, that's, you got to walk a block and a half.

1055
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:04,050
Some people just don't want to do that.

1056
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:07,220
We're canned.

1057
01:25:07,420 --> 01:25:09,680
We have handicapped parking for people who can't.

1058
01:25:09,820 --> 01:25:10,860
There's plenty of that around.

1059
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:12,100
All the same as right here.

1060
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:17,630
All right, then we can talk to you back.

1061
01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:19,830
No, it is.

1062
01:25:20,290 --> 01:25:20,670
Very good.

1063
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:21,670
Thank you.

1064
01:25:21,770 --> 01:25:24,250
Now public works, is there anything additional

1065
01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:25,130
that's not on consent?

1066
01:25:25,130 --> 01:25:26,850
All right, very good.

1067
01:25:27,070 --> 01:25:27,330
Thank you.

1068
01:25:27,890 --> 01:25:28,810
Public safety.

1069
01:25:28,990 --> 01:25:29,270
No report.

1070
01:25:29,630 --> 01:25:29,930
Thank you.

1071
01:25:30,990 --> 01:25:31,870
Sustainability commission.

1072
01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:33,670
Meeting next week.

1073
01:25:33,810 --> 01:25:35,890
No, April 30th.

1074
01:25:35,890 --> 01:25:37,030
Meeting is April 30th.

1075
01:25:37,530 --> 01:25:37,690
Okay.

1076
01:25:38,330 --> 01:25:39,610
Youth Services Commission.

1077
01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:40,990
No report.

1078
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:43,950
Zoning Board of Appeals.

1079
01:25:44,130 --> 01:25:46,770
Meeting tomorrow night, one issue on the agenda.

1080
01:25:48,050 --> 01:25:48,230
Awesome.

1081
01:25:48,730 --> 01:25:49,590
Any new business?

1082
01:25:50,690 --> 01:25:53,550
I'll just ask if you guys can check your emails.

1083
01:25:53,550 --> 01:25:59,370
I sent you sent everybody an email a little bit earlier if you could respond to that that would be outstanding

1084
01:26:00,110 --> 01:26:03,490
Thank you then I will entertain a motion to adjourn

1085
01:26:04,150 --> 01:26:08,210
All those in favor please think if I'm saying aye. I was opposed

1086
01:26:08,690 --> 01:26:16,540
We are adjourned. Thank you. Anybody mind if we continue push on all right very good. I'd like to enter