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[0:07] I'd like to call the order of the regular meeting of the parkourage city council for Wednesday, March 20th. We have a roll call, please. Mayor Maloney, you're all the person, Moran, Sanchez, Lawrence, Tarrington and Steinfelds are absent. Biaji, you're leftler. We have a quorum. Excellent. Thank you. I ask everyone, please rise and join me in the signing of the Pledge of Allegiance.
[0:50] First set of minutes to approve this evening.
[0:52] are the City Council meeting minutes from March 4th.
[0:54] I ask for a motion to approve those minutes.
[0:57] Thank you.
[0:58] Are there any questions or corrections?
[1:01] Seeing none, I'll tell you all needs.
[1:02] Does anyone here tonight wish to make a comment on that side of minutes?
[1:06] Seeing none, back to Council for any remaining comments.
[1:10] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.
[1:13] Aye.
[1:14] Aye.
[1:14] Those opposed?
[1:16] Motion carries.
[1:17] Next, I ask for a motion to approve the committee of the whole meeting minutes from March 4th,
[1:20] 2024.
[1:21] 24.
[1:21] I'll move.
[1:22] Second.
[1:23] Thank you.
[1:24] Questions?
[1:26] Corrections?
[1:28] Up to the audience for anyone wishing to make a comment on this set of minutes.
[1:33] Seeing none, back to council for any remaining comments.
[1:37] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.
[1:39] Aye.
[1:40] Aye.
[1:40] Those opposed?
[1:42] Motion carries.
[1:44] Thank you.
[1:45] Next one.
[1:45] We want to report to City officials.
[1:47] Another mayors report.
[1:48] There's a few items this evening.
[1:51] Is there a problem if we do all these in one motion?
[1:55] Okay, as long as there are no objections, and that's what I'm asking for here, we can do this in one motion, if that's okay.
[2:01] Yes.
[2:02] Okay, perfect, so I ask for a motion to prove the following appointments to boards and commissions.
[2:08] Sadzee Olivia to the O'Hare Airport Commission for a partial term expiring June 30th, 2025.
[2:13] Christen Demas to the O'Hare Airport Commission for a partial term expiring June 30th, 2025.
[2:19] Jerry Weller to the liquor license review board for a four year term expiring December 31st, 2027.
[2:25] Joseph Ayakulot to the liquor license review board for a four year term expiring December 31st, 2027.
[2:32] Jeff Frankowiak to the Health Commission for a three year term expiring September 30th, 2026.
[2:39] Entertain emotional proof as read.
[2:40] All right.
[2:41] Thank you.
[2:43] Any questions?
[2:45] Seeing none, out to the audience.
[2:47] If there's anyone wishing to make a comment on this motion, then back to Council.
[2:54] Could we do a roll-out, please, so?
[2:56] All the person, Moran?
[2:58] Yes.
[2:58] Sanchez?
[2:59] Yes.
[2:59] Lawrence?
[3:01] Biachi?
[3:01] Yes.
[3:02] Leftler?
[3:02] Yes.
[3:02] Motion passes, 5-0.
[3:05] Excellent.
[3:05] Thank you.
[3:06] Next we have a presentation by Fair.
[3:09] They're here this evening.
[3:11] I'd invite you to come on up.
[3:12] They're going to put on the noise monitoring technology and then I
[3:16] So everybody here is aware like this is not our OAC. This is not a group that we're currently involved
[3:24] Like that they're a third-party organization is coming in they've presented to
[3:29] The OAC and now we're here to talk to us
[3:31] Thank you mayor Maloney and John Moran for the invitation to speak at the City Council
[3:39] gave our presentation, I believe, in early November of last year is fairly brief, about 20 minutes.
[3:47] Just a few things, Laura Nishie, Rick Farmer and Diana Bernardi
[3:55] is our board members
[3:57] that currently live in Park Ridge, so they are heavily invested in this initiative as well.
[4:04] And I'm going to be fairly quick, and I'm going to turn it over to Dr. Park, who is a professor
[4:10] at Purdue University. He just moved to that new position from NYU about a year ago and
[4:17] is the creator of the system that he will outline.
[4:23] Parkridge currently has an always ordinance. No person shall operate or cause to be operated
[4:28] on private property. Any continuous, predictable or recurring source of sound in such a manner
[4:32] as to create a sound level measured on a sound level meter using the A weighted network
[4:39] work at or within the property boundary of the receiving property, which exceeds 35
[4:44] decibels, DBA, and intensity between the hours of 10 p.m., and 7 a.m., or which exceeds 50
[4:50] decibels, DBA, and intensity, between the hours of 7 a.m., and 10 p.m.
[4:58] I have been coming to Parkridge for about seven, eight years now, and I can tell
[5:05] that the jets over park ridge are exceeding those levels currently.
[5:12] I'm going to do a quick introduction a couple of minutes, and then I'm going to turn this over to Dr. Park.
[5:19] Briefly, oh here, Modernization Plant, a lot of this was presented already back in early November.
[5:25] It's not new information. Oh here, had a runway alignment closing some runways and opening existing
[5:31] runways as outlined there, more or less, the O'Hare Modernization Plan is complete.
[5:39] As a result, there was a widening and lengthening of those parallel runways that are listed
[5:44] there, slight details here and there, but for the most part, everything is up and running.
[5:50] That was the current noise impact as of 2017 to the city park rich.
[5:59] Actually, you know, this is the overall from 2008 until 2007, just to give an idea in terms
[6:07] of the inconsistency from what was promised with the O'Hare Modernization Plan.
[6:13] The total number of complaints have gone up while the average monthly operations within
[6:18] the airport, arrivals, departures, commercial and cargo aircraft have gone down during that
[6:27] time span up until 2017. This is the park ridge complaint total. We stopped at 2017 because
[6:37] it just got to the point where we had recognized as an organization around that time we turned
[6:42] into a non-for-profit that we had to address this problem differently. The total number of
[6:48] complaints from 2012 and 2017 are listed there. We do not believe a lot of people have time
[6:55] on their hands to file complaints and that these are genuine complaints.
[7:02] This is a heat map of the complaints by community up until 2017 for about a four, five, six,
[7:10] seven year, sorry, about a four year time span.
[7:14] These are numbers associated with the Ohio Air Noise Compatibility, sorry, the Ohio Air
[7:21] ONCC, Roundtable, those are their numbers from the CDA, 17,408,819.
[7:30] And now I will turn this over to Dr. Park and we'll have a Q&A after this.
[7:41] Good evening.
[7:44] So I'll be quickly going over some of the problems, but I'm sure that you know about the noise
[7:49] problems pertinent to the airplanes and around 55 decibels, DBAs, around what we would normally
[7:56] consider like a quiet neighborhood, reasonable neighborhood, but in areas like O'Hare and Park
[8:03] Ridge it can go over 85 decibels with 30 second intervals, 1 minute intervals, which has really caused
[8:11] the creation of these air highways. And this is actual data, not a model which is very important
[8:17] the measurements. As you can see here, which has also led to organizations being formed community
[8:23] organizations like Fair and myself getting involved because it's a national global problem to
[8:30] be quite honest. And I came here in 2016-17 because my expertise is in sound and sound mapping and
[8:39] creating sound maps and actually wasn't quite sure what to expect and it was more than what I had
[8:46] imagine it to be sort of been collaborating with Fair, John, and Laura, and everyone there,
[8:53] since then. And one of the most interesting problems is this idea of DNL contour lines,
[9:01] so this sort of contour, and as you go further from the center, the noise level decrease,
[9:07] but these are basically based on models, right? Not the realities or the actual measurements at the
[9:14] source, it's kind of like also if you want to sort of unpack the D&L concept, it's
[9:21] this idea that I think it only snows in the winter, basically, but if you average that
[9:27] out over the entire year and say, this is how much snow we get over the year, then it
[9:32] becomes minuscule, right? It's a great measurement, but it can be better. So how does that change
[9:39] over this season. In our case, over each day, each week, each month, each year, 24-7, with one
[9:47] second resolution. Can we achieve that? Measurements, not models. That's what we are building.
[9:56] Here's that example of the snowfall. But it's kind of interesting in Indiana. I just got here from New
[10:01] York City. It's exactly the same. Just kidding. The weather does change quite drastically as to the
[10:08] airplane sounds as the A-rail highways changed dynamically according to the weather, according
[10:14] to needs in terms of cargo planes and so on and so forth.
[10:19] So what we try to do is clarify model-based noise contours with actual data, with enough
[10:27] sensors so that we can get a good sense and accurate sense as to the realities at people's
[10:34] homes.
[10:35] DBA measurements, there's a DBA, DBC, DBC, all these different measurements, and they
[10:40] are somewhat insufficient in reflecting big machines.
[10:45] And as we know, big machines cost things to shake, and DBAs don't measure that.
[10:51] And when people's homes shake, that is, I think a serious problem.
[10:57] Next slide please.
[10:58] Yeah, thank you.
[10:58] So what we are trying to resolve is get to unpack what's the unknown through measurements.
[11:06] You can't fix what you can't measure and make that known, which allows us to pinpoint
[11:12] the problems, reduce consequences of issues and noise producers, incidents, snow authorities
[11:19] and listening care, which means fewer complaints, transparency or sunlight is the solution to
[11:27] everything and trust in authorities and the communities.
[11:31] That's what we're trying to do through data.
[11:35] This is what John actually mentioned.
[11:37] So in 2009, we had in the Chicago area, around 14,000,
[11:41] 15,000 complaints and then when you fast forward to 2017,
[11:45] you get five million complaints.
[11:48] That's when I came to Chicago because I actually didn't believe
[11:51] this chart, but then when I came, I was
[11:55] unpleasantly surprised why that number exponentially increased. Here's one of the
[12:02] problems back in the day for next year and became a thing. Plains would be sort of
[12:08] covering larger areas, so they wouldn't be squeezed, right? It's kind of like a
[12:12] laser. When you squeeze things, levels go up and they go further into the
[12:18] community, intense areas of x times y or a squared endeavor, which means more areas
[12:24] is covered, louder noise, and that sort of explains
[12:27] the increased, exponential increase in the complaints.
[12:32] So what we're trying to do is provide location specific
[12:36] and continuous and comprehensive airplane noise data
[12:40] for communities around airports, which allows us
[12:43] to have some piece of mind for the community trust
[12:46] in noise mitigation insights and implementation
[12:49] of noise abatement measures.
[12:51] We can have all these great policies and rules
[12:53] and laws in place, but if you can't measure what it is, if you can't really identify accurately what those are, they are not very effective.
[13:05] Blank.
[13:06] And so this is the actual system.
[13:10] So I call these the sticker sensors, not quite stickers yet, but very small, very lightweight, which makes them very affordable or easy to produce.
[13:19] these thicker sensors that you put outside of your window which allows you to
[13:25] measure 24-7 365 days a year with one second resolution, the tail number, the
[13:33] decibel levels, the duration, how long it occurred and the 3D position including
[13:40] other elements like speed and so on and so forth which then you can visualize and
[13:46] and allow you to see the pain that people are feeling at their home,
[13:53] not a mile from your home, which is different to what one feels at their homes.
[13:59] And this is the system.
[14:02] The reason we sort of made it into a tablet is because most of us know how to use a tablet,
[14:07] so to make it fun before communities.
[14:10] And essentially what happens is everything happens here.
[14:12] only the high-level data gets sent or I mean by high-level data it's basically
[14:19] what's a DB level? Is it an airplane or not? And those cannot be intercepted
[14:23] and privacy is actually protected which is per design. We don't want to have
[14:28] audio signals running everywhere so it's just how loud is an airplane or not? 0%
[14:33] percent. And then seeing is believing which means that you can see the data it
[14:38] make sense of what it is.
[14:41] And some of the interesting ways to use this data is that,
[14:47] or inform strategies as flight paths,
[14:51] how can we have it be data-driven, measurement-driven?
[14:54] What airplane engines make the most noise, which
[14:58] are the best engines, that actually
[15:00] We are reflected on the ground. It's really complicated because you have buildings, trees, and all kinds of things. And then can we, should we plan more trees here and there? Of course, those are actually really helpful in mitigating and dampening sound. Here's an example in Park Ridge, where we have a heat map. So the x-axis is days. So this is over basically one month.
[15:28] Y-axis is day, X-axis is 24 hours and you can see from midnight until like 5, 6 a.m. it's pretty quiet and then
[15:39] Switch gets turned on and the airplanes fly over your home until midnight and then beyond I think we can go into the details
[15:48] and show you exactly when they happen and the way we are able to do this is also through the
[15:54] Miracle of AI, right? Just imagine this having essentially what we build is having a an artificial person
[16:05] sort of live outside of your home and listen to these sounds and identify whether it's an airplane or not.
[16:12] How long that airplane noise occurs and how loud it is. That's basically what we built here.
[16:19] This is just in summary of some of the data that we have collected.
[16:26] And this is the aerial highway.
[16:27] So when I saw this, I was like, this is actually what is happening in Ohio, also my former
[16:34] home in New York City, JFK, LGA, very similar there.
[16:39] It's a global phenomena, I want to say.
[16:42] And as you can see, laser sharp, it's kind of like laser.
[16:46] and that sort of increase in sound energy levels is sort of that phenomenon that we are experiencing.
[16:56] Here's another visualization of the data. As you can see, there's a couple of columns.
[17:01] The first column tells you when it starts and it ends. What's the decibel levels flight number,
[17:07] the tail number, and then how far it is from the sensor.
[17:15] And the value proposition, I think,
[17:18] just skip that one. And yeah, let's go to that.
[17:21] Okay, so we are partnering with noisy. We serve as the community
[17:27] organization. We have had a partnership with noisy for about
[17:32] seven years now. And we started initially with a pilot project
[17:36] within Park Ridge in the northwest side of Chicago with a few early
[17:42] models of the monitors.
[17:45] Our goal is to deploy 320 monitors by 2026.
[17:51] 20 monitors per flight path, there are east-west parallel runways, six runways, 12 flight
[17:56] pass.
[17:57] They do use both sides of the flight pass, by the way.
[18:00] I'm sorry, both sides of the runways, in each direction.
[18:03] 120 monitors deployed, east of the airport, 120 deployed west of the airport.
[18:08] There are two currently two diagonal runways still in use.
[18:12] They removed the other two diagonal runways.
[18:15] Those have four additional flight paths.
[18:17] 40 monitors deployed north, 40 deployed south.
[18:20] We do have monitors set up in the south currently and none in the north.
[18:25] South meaning Elmhurst, I believe we've got three or four in Elmhurst.
[18:30] We've got one in North Lake.
[18:34] So far, we've got 50 of those monitors of the 320 totals set up.
[18:42] We had a brief delay due to COVID, and we've so far received 92% of our funding by Chicago
[18:53] residents, particularly on the northwest side.
[18:57] We need support to complete the project.
[18:59] Official monitors are not up to task.
[19:03] Currently within Park Ridge there are four municipal monitors that are used by the ONCC and the FAA.
[19:09] We currently have about five or six of our monitors in Park Ridge.
[19:14] They started out.
[19:15] Park Ridge is ground zero for this problem.
[19:17] Do the fact that you've got parallel runways and you've got crisscrossing due to those diagonal runways as well.
[19:25] So in some cases there are some areas in the southern portion of park ridge that are severely affected due to the fact you've got three flight paths exposed to the residents.
[19:38] Need detailed data to prove our points and open new channels of communication communities around the airport are the biggest beneficiaries we are choosing and we have chosen and reached out to park ridge for a reason.
[19:49] You are ground zero and we initially spoke again back in early November to the airport commission regarding the project.
[20:04] Due to park ridge location within the affected areas just immediately east of the airport, we believe that park ridge can serve as a
[20:16] a bench park for other communities around the East and the Western areas around O'Hare.
[20:25] And frankly, over time, things will go well in park wage.
[20:30] We hope to use our experiences to move to other municipalities as well to increase
[20:34] the total number of monitors deployed.
[20:38] Cost of each monitor is approximately $600.
[20:42] All monitors are owned by fair.
[20:45] Four entities are allowed to record and collect data generated by each monitor, individual
[20:51] home owners and small business owners, municipalities, fair administration, specifically two of
[20:56] our board members and get noisy and LLC.
[20:59] All members, monitors, operations are secure in private.
[21:05] Oh, we also have light trackers because in order to get a good reading on how many flights
[21:12] are coming over a person's house, you have
[21:13] to identify what the flights are.
[21:15] So what's the altitude, what's the carrier, what's the FAA, call sign, direction they're
[21:21] going, there's a few over the parameters that are caught through that flight tracker device.
[21:25] There are six that are spread out over the metropolitan area they go out as far as 50 miles.
[21:32] So they capture everything within the footprint of a hair extending out about 50 miles outside of the airport boundary.
[21:41] We want to identify specific, curious, responsible for generating adverse noise impact, tracking,
[21:47] monitoring, and reporting, document, airplane noise at point of impact, inform elected leaders
[21:55] and aviation and environmental regulators, open new venues of communication.
[22:01] We have tried early on, we have tried the way of working within the ONCC, they are a good
[22:10] We have also spoken directly with our elected leaders, local, state, and federal leaders, and we still very much interact with them and the work that they're doing on this issue, but there needs to be much more of a local focus, and we believe Park Ridge can help us with that.
[22:32] Yeah, we're asking to provide budgetary approval of $17,550 to purchase 27,
[22:41] I'm supposed to be changed to install 27 noise monitors for park rich homeowners.
[22:48] Deploy monitors across all seven wards, the money will go to West by the way,
[22:52] then we will purchase the monitors for park rich as intermediaries.
[22:58] This is how we've always worked.
[23:00] The idea of going directly to the vendor is not a good idea from position of the municipality.
[23:06] Deploy the monitors across all seven wards.
[23:09] Allocate more monitors to the southern wards than the northern wards due to the fact that there's greater impact from those flight paths on the southern portion of the city.
[23:19] Deploy one monitor at City Hall, if that's possible.
[23:25] Okay, Q&A.
[23:26] Thank you very much.
[23:28] Turning the council, yes, John.
[23:31] One of the last things you mentioned was that the money would flow to you guys and you would purchase and that's better for the municipality if you tell us why.
[23:44] We believe we've got a better handle on the financial end of it and we believe that there is a potential for conflict of interest.
[23:57] So we don't get paid for our voluntary positions.
[24:02] We do this on behalf of the residents.
[24:06] And we believe an intermediary community nonprofit
[24:10] is a perfect vehicle for that.
[24:12] Again, but seven years ago, we were not a nonprofit.
[24:15] We had to go out, went ahead and visit with my contemporary
[24:19] in Los Angeles, who has been dealing with the same problem.
[24:23] And actually, it's going to get worse due to the fact
[24:24] like they were awarded the Olympics, I believe it's this year or four years, they wanted
[24:31] to build another runway out there.
[24:34] And he gave us direction in terms of what we should do.
[24:37] The role of the nonprofit as we do Sherry is important.
[24:41] It's also important in terms of donations and contributions from residents.
[24:49] We always had the goal to move towards municipalities, getting contributions and donations from municipalities.
[25:02] Any other questions?
[25:04] I got early.
[25:06] Yeah.
[25:06] Hold on a second.
[25:08] Does the FAA accept your data?
[25:10] I assume they've endorsed the product and they are accepting of your data.
[25:16] We haven't directly spoken to the FRA, we have contacted them many times, so the data speaks
[25:23] to everyone.
[25:24] So we believe that the data will allow us to have a discussion currently what I see as
[25:30] a researcher is that there is no data to speak of, even the monitors that the FAA has set
[25:36] up.
[25:36] They're just sound meters.
[25:38] You don't know if it's actually the door sound, if you don't know if it's a cat sound
[25:41] sound or the cockroach sound, you have no idea, it's just sound levels, so we are providing
[25:47] sounds and DBs only for airplanes, that changes everything.
[25:53] But will the, so what do we do with the data, and I also want to clarify, does the data,
[26:00] if parkourage pays for, does parkourage get the data, or does fair get the data?
[26:05] Parkourage gets the data, I think, if I go back a few slides you'll notice that in terms
[26:09] of data ownership.
[26:14] We will be able to, fair obviously, we'll be able to see the data as well, but park
[26:18] rich will have access to that data to use at their disposal.
[26:22] We have some ideas in terms of what we can do with that going forward.
[26:25] So in a general sense, but let me interrupt you.
[26:28] So there's another slide that all monitors are property of fair, is that correct?
[26:34] So even if the city pays for it or a resident pays for it on their own, I don't understand
[26:38] how that works, like if I as a resident, because we've always, we always started at the point
[26:45] that it would be donated and we give it to them, give those monitors to them under that
[26:50] agreement.
[26:51] Essentially, I guess that would be called a lease, right?
[26:53] With the idea, essentially, that due to the fact we're moving to 320 as our total deployment,
[27:00] we have the option to redeploy those monitors at will.
[27:03] So in some cases, but help me understand, if I buy it as a resident, I was it not my
[27:08] property? How is it your property?
[27:11] We just define that as part of the agreement, that it's a monitor that's being used to
[27:17] record, analyze, and I pay for it, but you own it.
[27:21] Whether it's residents.
[27:22] Yeah, I mean, okay, so at the time that monitors, when we started the project, we're close
[27:27] to what, 350?
[27:28] About 600. The idea is to move the overall pricing of those monitors down back to a more realistic
[27:35] number for our residents to pay.
[27:38] We're debating this, actually, your point.
[27:41] Okay. All right.
[27:41] In terms of ownership and versus lease.
[27:44] It's been, we've been debating that for a while.
[27:47] And I think there's going to be a point where we've got to decide whether or not they're going to own those full time.
[27:51] Or if they need to own them full time over the cycle of this project.
[27:58] Thank you. Yes, John.
[28:00] All up on that.
[28:01] the concern I would have is Parkridge gives you funds to employ these to our
[28:07] residents and our wards but you own them and what you just said is you can
[28:11] redeploy them elsewhere if you feel they're more necessary. Actually that means
[28:16] our our the monitors we helped fund the purchase of could end up on the
[28:20] Northwest side of Chicago. Yeah but that wouldn't be possible if we had an
[28:26] agreement basically saying they stayed within Parkridge. I mean here's the point
[28:30] I understand.
[28:31] Yeah.
[28:31] If a situation happens where you've got a few residents that are not able to do, have
[28:37] those monitors long-term, you have the option, the flexibility to bring it to another resident
[28:42] within parkourage.
[28:43] If you discover that the situation of north and south is actually far worse, that south is
[28:48] worth, you would like to redeploy some of those monitors on the south end of the airport.
[28:52] You'll have that flexibility to do that.
[28:54] We don't have any constraints in that regard.
[28:57] And then my question from earlier about the funds going to the not-for-profit
[29:03] first, we went through this with the chamber when we gave them funds and one
[29:11] of the requirements within our city code is that if we are going to fund a
[29:15] not-for-profit, you have to turn over your books and financials for us to
[29:20] inspect. I just want to make sure that's something you're aware of. That was one of
[29:23] So the reason why we formed the nine-for-profit, we could be protected in that sense.
[29:27] We just, we want to serve as the fiduciary, we don't want it to be a situation where you're bound.
[29:33] We know what's best in the sense that we best practice this system, not just within Chicago, but
[29:43] they, it's also in Montreal, I believe, but there's only a few.
[29:47] There's an opportunity here to benchmark relative to other areas that are affected by the same problem,
[29:52] the same regulations that were passed over the last 15 years.
[30:00] We're saying to redeploy to certain areas and people own these themselves. What is the chain of custody on these monitors to ensure that they're in the place that they're supposed to be in for the duration that they're supposed to be?
[30:14] Historically, we began setting these up about five years ago, four years ago. We started, we started in Park Ridge. By chain of custody, have they moved? Not one monitor has been moved since we started the project. You don't typically redeploy them? No.
[30:31] Actually, we've got it down to the point where when we started the deployment of the existing monitors that are currently in place, analyzing exactly what the impact footprint was relative to each flight path.
[30:46] Determining, essentially, what are the worst areas in terms of noise and then deploying those monitors there. We have not taken out any yet from those areas.
[30:54] is, although I-
[30:56] The assurance to, let's say, when you're looking out at the FAA,
[30:59] it's going to take this data or not.
[31:00] What is the assurance to them that these have been, in fact,
[31:03] where do you say they were?
[31:05] Certified ability.
[31:06] You want to talk about that?
[31:07] I think it's time to have a discussion with the FAA.
[31:10] They're not very communicative.
[31:11] Unfortunately, we've tried to contact them,
[31:13] but it's data.
[31:14] It's not something that it can be really qualitative
[31:21] versus quantitative.
[31:22] This is quantitative data.
[31:23] It's not an opinion and that discussion needs to happen but we've tried as researchers to contact them
[31:29] But there's no feedback
[31:35] In terms of certifiability
[31:36] In terms of what what's the I don't understand the question
[31:40] Just because of the flight patterns and no it's actually the measurements. So as as I mentioned
[31:46] It's like having a person there with a noise measurement device
[31:50] tracking this 24-7 with one-second resolution and having the intelligence AI to determine whether this is an airplane or not.
[31:59] FAA does not have that. No one has that.
[32:02] There are significant differences between what's been captured by the FAA municipal monitors and what we capture.
[32:08] Our standards are as high if not better than what those FAA monitors are currently capturing.
[32:13] I would argue given the cost of how much those municipal monitors are relative to ours,
[32:19] There's a real, there's a strong difference.
[32:22] I didn't official sentence I was supposed to read as a result of one of the questions.
[32:27] We are hoping to have discussions with the FAA as to what parameters and standards
[32:31] govern their data acquisition practices, include a data quality, temporal, resolution, and
[32:36] area coverage from the discussion, from that discussion we plan to adjust our system.
[32:42] We all know that the problem as it began, we were under the impression that it was being handled through the ONCC, and a collective body sharing an understanding that we're all in this together using their data, the CDA data in collaboration with the FAA.
[33:08] We soon realized that that data that the FAA was using was not accurate, and to make
[33:19] sure that we weren't crazy, we also spoke to other metropolitan areas that were similarly
[33:23] affected and said that what their experience is experiencing as residents in Boston, in
[33:29] Los Angeles, in Seattle, in Phoenix, did not match what they were seeing from the FAA.
[33:35] Okay, so there was a huge disconnect there.
[33:39] So we had a choice to make.
[33:40] Do we continue to go with the reality that the FAA is being
[33:44] presenting to us, or do we create a system that truly captures
[33:49] what homeowners are dealing with currently?
[33:53] We've done that.
[33:54] Actually, the system that started a few years ago was a little
[33:58] bit more rudimentary relative to the current system that we have
[34:01] here.
[34:02] We will have the opportunity to show you more in detail in terms of what the application and what in real time the system does with the data that we acquire and analyze.
[34:13] We have several solutions that we will present to you at that time in terms of what we believe that data will allow you to do.
[34:24] So you, governing product, in your presentation you mentioned that you have 50, your goal is 320 monitors, you have 50 of them deployed thus far.
[34:32] This has been a multi year process.
[34:35] What are you doing with the data that you've collected?
[34:38] We are aggregating the data, analyzing the data, and creating a system whereby, I've got to keep this general, I apologize for that,
[34:47] that, where the data can be used from a regulatory perspective and from a legal perspective.
[34:58] So let me back you up.
[34:59] You said you have to keep this general.
[35:00] Why?
[35:01] I mean, why do you have to keep it general?
[35:04] We haven't been at that point where the data, the aggregated data yet is at the point where
[35:10] we believe it can come forward.
[35:13] I want to be respectful.
[35:14] You're here asking us for $17,000.
[35:17] So, you know, again, and this is the preliminary, you know, you're not going to get approval on that tonight or denial on that tonight, but like there are going to be very specific questions surrounding that, like general answers probably won't suffice.
[35:33] Right. I understand. We started the project four years ago.
[35:37] So, 2024. So, we started and got about four quarters, about a year's worth of monitors set
[35:46] up. Some of them we've since actually know about 2.5 quarters worth. Due to COVID, we had
[35:53] to suspend everything. So, we've now come back as a result of our meeting last year and
[35:59] revisited some of the contacts we've had with other municipalities prior to that time.
[36:04] That's why there's that the way.
[36:07] Any other question?
[36:09] Yes, Monday.
[36:10] I just from a least perspective.
[36:13] I guess we're taking this more as a study.
[36:18] Have we done something more just as a, you know,
[36:22] we just want to put an RFP out for a study on noise or on airplanes
[36:29] or anything like that in the past?
[36:33] I think we have not, the short answer to your questions, we have not, we were a member
[36:39] of ONCC, which they mentioned, or an always compatibility commission, and they do provide
[36:45] some of the data that speaks to noise.
[36:48] Okay.
[36:49] And then going back to Alderman Lawrence's question, like so if there's not like a GPS
[36:54] tracking or anything like that on, there is a GPS track.
[36:59] For the these devices? No, no, we're just tracking the airplanes. Okay. Yeah, privacy is
[37:04] pretty good. Does the FAA have like, do their monitors have some sort of GPS tracking?
[37:09] Or the FAA monitors are just sound meters. You don't know whether it's an airplane or not.
[37:16] You don't know what? You don't know whether a particular sound is an airplane's sound or not.
[37:22] You mean to her point where we know where it is? Where the sensors are from FAA? Yes,
[37:31] there on a map.
[37:40] If I may add, there are in locations sort of somewhat arbitrarily placed because they're
[37:47] not at somebody's home or their bedroom window it's it's and as you probably know the as distance
[37:56] increases the sound decreases exponentially by a square factor so just having
[38:01] oh there's one there does not mean that that's what you're feeling at home I
[38:05] think that's where the gap is. Sure yeah now I mean I guess it see more toward
[38:09] location like how do we prove they're not moving from like a GPS like my phone yeah
[38:13] we don't have a yeah we're not they don't need there detected no personal
[38:19] identifiable information is being transferred between the system and
[38:25] The O'Hare Modernization Project began, they had to do a lot of environmental impact statements at the FAA did, and one of the things that came up was the fact that they had existing municipal monitors in areas that were aligned to the old runway alignment at O'Hare prior to the changes in the runways, new runways and new directions, as well as the new next gen
[38:52] situation. Next gen is just basically GPS for the pilots to allow the planes to fly straighter.
[38:58] We've all recognized planes going over your home every 60 to 90 seconds and they're much lower.
[39:05] Those municipal monitors that were in place back in the 80s and 70s when they were the last
[39:10] batch were put into the monitors have not been moved. So they are stationary municipal monitors.
[39:20] our monitors are much more flexible.
[39:24] Again, one last question, then we're going to move through the...
[39:27] Just one last question. So how long would you anticipate?
[39:31] I know you're saying COVID, there was a break, but if we were to say,
[39:35] let's have this study, how many is this like a six month,
[39:39] a year, or how long is it to collect an appropriate amount of data?
[39:46] We would start collecting within 30 days and aggregating that data.
[39:50] Again, park ridges special because if it's runway alignment, because the direction,
[39:54] the flight pass.
[39:56] Right.
[39:56] But is it like you're going to want the data for five years or?
[40:00] Oh, no.
[40:00] It depends.
[40:01] It's the discretion of the municipality in terms of how long they want those monitors fixed in
[40:08] those positions.
[40:09] And you may decide you want to move some of those monitors into other areas.
[40:12] Because we will not make that decision for you, believe you're paying for the monitors are donating on behalf of those monitors.
[40:19] You have the right to change those around.
[40:21] Do you like the idea of having a monitor also at City Hall?
[40:24] Great, I appreciate you guys coming in.
[40:26] Thank you so much.
[40:26] Thank you very much.
[40:33] That concludes Mayor's report.
[40:37] Move on, Sam.
[40:39] Just early voting concluded on the 18th, we had a little over 1700 voters come through City Hall.
[40:48] 121 voters per day, once the election results are certified, I'll be providing more specific results on voter turn-off for our city.
[41:00] That's all.
[41:01] Thank you.
[41:02] City attorney.
[41:03] No report tonight.
[41:04] Thank you.
[41:05] City manager.
[41:06] Just point out that the updated manager's report is available on the website and attached to the agenda.
[41:13] Thank you.
[41:14] Thank you.
[41:18] Thank you Mayor.
[41:20] The warrant reports are with all the person here in ten for review and posted here so if
[41:25] anyone has any questions on those, let me know.
[41:28] Thank you.
[41:29] No questions?
[41:30] Move on to consent agenda.
[41:31] All items listed with an asterisk are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted
[41:35] by one motion.
[41:36] There will be no separate discussion of those items unless an all-to-person request in which
[41:40] event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered in its normal sequence
[41:44] on the agenda.
[41:44] The tonight's consent agenda is as follows, under Finance and Budget Committee.
[41:48] Number one, approve a purchase order for one year of Microsoft 365 licenses to go full cloud of Boca Raton, Florida, in the amount of $70,358.40.
[42:01] Number two, approve a purchase order, increase the civil tech engineering incorporated for the Cumberland Water Main Project in the amount of $38,878.57.
[42:10] in sense.
[42:13] Under procedures and regulations, approve a contract and a purchase order for
[42:17] the creation of an uptown master plan document to far associates of Chicago, Illinois, in the
[42:22] amount of $22,200. Under Public Works Committee, number 1, approve a contract for the FY-241
[42:29] remain valve insertion project, PW-24-09 to a superior excavating company in the amount
[42:36] amount of 391,396 dollars.
[42:39] Number two, approve a contract for one new case model, 621G wheel loader,
[42:45] tractor, to McGann industries incorporated in the amount of $231,000.
[42:51] Number three, approve a contract for the D-road parking lot resurfacing project,
[42:55] PW-24-07, with advantage paving solutions,
[42:59] incorporated in the amount of $141,382.42.
[43:04] under public safety committee approve a one-year extension of the contract with Lin-Mar
[43:08] Towing and Recovery Service LLC of Morton, Grow, Illinois, that concludes the consent agenda
[43:13] to entertain emotional proof as read.
[43:16] Second.
[43:16] Thank you.
[43:17] Is there anyone that would like removed?
[43:20] Seeing none, any questions?
[43:23] Also, none out to the audience.
[43:24] If anyone is here wishing to make a comment on one of those items that I just read, this
[43:28] would be your opportunity to make that comment.
[43:33] Seeing none, I beg the council for any remaining comments, and a roll call, please so.
[43:40] All the person, Sanchez, Lawrence, Harrington, I'm sorry.
[43:45] Viagee, yes, leftler, yes, Moran, motion passes, 5-0.
[43:51] Thank you very much.
[43:52] Procedures for addressing the council.
[43:54] Citizens wishing to speak on an action item on the agenda will be recognized when that item is being considered by the council.
[43:59] Comments from the audience will be taken after the report of the committee chair and questions from the council but before debate by the City Council.
[44:06] Citizens wish to be heard on an items not included on the formal agenda will be recognized under the agenda heading citizens wishing to address the council.
[44:13] Speakers will be recognized at that time after indicating their interest and speaking by raising their hands.
[44:18] Each of these opportunities serve as your chance to comment on these items.
[44:21] It is not the time to enter into a dialogue with council, ask questions or to debate.
[44:25] This is the opportunity for you to civilly share your feedback here in this forum with the council that brings us to citizens who wish you address city council on a non agenda item and
[44:34] Oh, Mr. Seapah had reached out prior to the meeting. So I will give you the opportunity to speak for
[44:42] five Helen Street
[44:45] so I took a few months off and
[44:48] I'm sorry first things first. Thank you to the police department very increased presence on
[44:54] on north-east highway between Ballard and Olton is unbelievable.
[44:59] It's not-
[45:00] I'm not uncommon for me to be walking my dog and see some red and blue's. Florida knows they deserve it, so that's great. Thank you so much for that. And then this last week, my son came home and he wants me to give this to you mayor, Mr. Marty. I'll just read what it wrote. Morning, morning. A car was speeding. It almost hit a crossing guard.
[45:30] and then what he wanted to say was mayor. I want North-West Highway safer. It's
[45:35] not safe Monday from Levi. So this isn't a pitch. This is he gave this to me.
[45:40] He said could you give this to the mayor? I said sure. So that kind of scouting
[45:45] back into it. It kind of sparked me up. Like okay I let it be. Things didn't really get
[45:50] done besides the police department. So let's see you know let's start over. Let
[45:57] me look at what's going on. I went through the M, what's it called, sir? The I.Dot,
[46:07] professional signs, everything that's approved that you can put on the roads. And on the PDF that you
[46:17] guys are looking at on the last page, that's where it's showing signs that were approved and they're
[46:25] good to go. So the one with the stop sign that says for pedestrians, I think that will
[46:31] have a great effect. Really good help. You're driving by you see a stop sign and it's small
[46:40] so you're not gonna stop but you know I better read this.
[46:45] And then on the ground you can
[46:47] get that school in paint written out across both lanes well ahead of that crosswalk. So
[46:54] people are driving they see on the ground school you know okay one more thing to pay attention to.
[47:02] And then kind of the last thing that I thought or Michael a bunch of us have been working on this
[47:08] over a while now. To have the pedestrian sign on both sides we talked about this I'm not sure why
[47:20] I really don't know if I got an answer and I don't remember or what would be
[47:25] preventing us from doing that. I know that there was a room space or a lack of
[47:30] room move the signs closer to the actual sidewalk but if that's how it is
[47:37] that's fine but if we could get another one on the other side which you can see
[47:42] this clearly in the PDF that Michael made for us our goal you know if we can have
[47:48] the signs, both sides, written out school on the ground, that little sign with the stop sign on it.
[47:57] We're just starting to throw ideas back out at you guys.
[48:03] Hopefully, something sticks, hopefully public works can take a look at this in the city and
[48:09] let us know what you think, and that's all I got.
[48:14] Thank you very much.
[48:15] Thank you.
[48:18] Anyone else wish to make a comment on a non agenda item?
[48:27] We move on with the agenda then, we move on to reports of boards, commissions, and committees.
[48:31] We start with community health commission.
[48:34] Thank you.
[48:35] Farmer's Market Committee, all the process sign fells is not here.
[48:39] Drew, is there anything you're aware of?
[48:45] Sorry, I take a drink of water, right?
[48:47] Yeah, right on cue.
[48:49] Just an announcement that the market will be back at its same location.
[48:52] that was just fresh as of today, so as of their last meeting, they were proving all the vendors and going through their communications plan and they have another meeting two weeks, which is the big pre-launch for the market season so and then the market's here in May, so just to clarify, we received commitment from the owners of the last week to negotiate with that the market we can continue there for this year, and it's likely that's probably given the
[49:22] And their development plans that's probably going to be all she wrote for that location.
[49:26] Yeah, no commitment beyond this year and separate wing of our department.
[49:31] But we have had some follow up communication with private property owners that we anticipate
[49:37] like they said at the PNZ commission meeting that they'll be back, not quite sure when that
[49:42] timeline would be, but I'd say by summer they will come back and have some revised proposal.
[49:46] So I didn't anticipate that track continues, but that's the news for 2020 for awesome.
[49:53] I'll say any thank you.
[49:54] Yeah, no problem.
[49:56] Uh, Finance and Budget Committee, anything additional, John?
[49:59] No additional report.
[50:02] Thank you.
[50:03] Library Board of Directors, there is no report this evening as is there is no report with
[50:07] liquor license for view board.
[50:08] Um, I feel like we just got a healthy dose and I know here and deal here meeting for this
[50:13] evening was canceled.
[50:15] there's supposed to be upstairs but did not take place.
[50:20] Some of those folks are here though, watching the presentation.
[50:23] Outstanding?
[50:26] Procedures or regulations?
[50:28] Again, all the prints...
[50:29] No, I'm sorry.
[50:31] I'm here.
[50:31] I almost kicked you out of the meeting.
[50:32] All right.
[50:34] Planning and zoning standards.
[50:35] That's what I thought I was reading.
[50:39] Under proceedings and regulations,
[50:40] Since we're opening up a public hearing for consideration of the City of Park Ridge, 2024 affordable housing plan, do I need to make a motion?
[50:52] So moved.
[50:53] Second.
[50:55] Who am I turning this over to?
[50:57] They can be.
[50:58] We just need to always speak.
[50:59] That's it.
[51:00] Okay.
[51:02] All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.
[51:05] Aye.
[51:05] I turn
[51:10] it over to you Drew.
[51:11] Yeah, and then my understanding is we just take any public comment as part of the public hearing and close it and then open up for public comment on the public hearing on the 2024
[51:24] or great affordable housing plan.
[51:26] So if there's any public comment on the affordable housing plan, this would be your opportunity to make that just raise your hand if you wish.
[51:32] Yes, ma'am.
[51:32] I'm
[51:42] Kristen Berg, 1505, Devine Avenue, I've spoken to you several times about the housing plan, and I'm glad to see that the plan is going forward, that it has as many components as it has, I'm here to again state my views that
[52:01] that without consideration of a mandatory inclusionary zoning ordinance, I don't think
[52:09] we're going to see any creation of new affordable units in Park Ridge.
[52:17] With the possible exception, and it gets to my second kind of pillar of what I would think
[52:26] I think would be in the plan would be if you do move forward with an all affordable senior housing development,
[52:34] which I certainly hope that you will.
[52:37] I don't see how you can say no to the seniors.
[52:40] I hope it would be on city owned property that would greatly speed up the process because as we know there's not very many sites available for development in park ridge.
[52:53] And I would also ask that you consider donating that property because that would greatly help the financing of the project not only in getting state financing, but also in getting state housing tax credits, which would add to the viability of the project.
[53:12] So, I hope that you would consider that it's the same incentives you're going to have
[53:20] to provide incentives whether you have a mandatory inclusionary zoning ordinance or a voluntary.
[53:27] You're kind of looking at the same types of concessions.
[53:31] So, I would ask that you think about that.
[53:33] And I really hope that we will create some units in Park Ridge because it's absolutely needed
[53:42] and been really lacking for a long time.
[53:46] So anyway, thank you.
[53:48] Thank you.
[53:49] Any other comments?
[53:54] Seeing none, I will move to close this hearing.
[53:57] I'll move.
[53:58] Second.
[53:59] Although it's in favor, please signify by saying aye.
[54:02] Aye.
[54:05] The move is us on to our next item.
[54:07] I make a motion for the approval of the City of Park Ridge
[54:09] 2024 Portable Housing Plane.
[54:12] I move.
[54:13] There's second.
[54:18] Through my turn, it's over to you.
[54:20] I don't think it needs a much introduction because we've discussed a lot of material on the website and in the memo, but as you all know, I think the one sentence version is there is a state of Illinois law that requires if you have less than 10% affordable housing under their method that you write a plan adopted and file it with Ida in Springfield and that is exactly what we have before us tonight is that draft plan that has gone through an extensive process. And if adopted we will file it, which there's
[54:49] some detail, but by large puts the City of Parkridge in compliance until June of 2029.
[54:55] Any questions, yes, John?
[54:58] So, Drew, we approve this this evening, it gets filed with the state.
[55:04] What has changed in Parkridge by doing this?
[55:08] Have we taken any actual action to move the needle?
[55:13] Because I see a lot of, we're going to consider, we're going to evaluate,
[55:15] We're going to, has, does anything in this document change, or is it business as usual the way it's been in the last 10, 15, 20, 30 years?
[55:28] Adopting the plan won't necessarily change any other law or create any other program, like you said it's a plan, so it creates a punch list of things for us as a community and for your own city council to come back to and
[55:41] meetings and discuss if we want to pass this ordinance to create this program or let me
[55:46] this fear whatever the different ideas are. But that's work we have to do in future years
[55:51] and that's basically the construction of the laws after we adopt a plan before we follow up with
[55:58] Ida on those reporting deadlines if we basically have never met ever again and they say well what did
[56:04] you all do to implement your plan what have you all done to work towards those goals is a you know
[56:09] Cartoon example of nothing we've never met and we've never discussed it again
[56:13] I would fully anticipate it would say well you're not sincerely trying to work on this you're not really in compliance
[56:18] with the law
[56:19] So it is an important step and it brings the city into compliance with the state law and it
[56:25] picks some goals and it
[56:27] puts some strategies on a menu, but then we have to work towards adopting those ordinances which would have the direct impact
[56:36] So follow up for Joe
[56:38] since a lot of
[56:39] What we do here is driven by a strategic plan and this wasn't in the last version of the strategic plan in any way, shape or form.
[56:49] Do you plan to insert this into your strategic plan? Do you need us to give you the authority to do that?
[56:59] How do we make sure that this isn't something that sits on the shelf till 2029? What's your strategy for that?
[57:07] Yeah, I think that incorporating it into our strategic plan would be a good next move.
[57:15] The budget cycle includes a review of the strategic plan annually, so when we do that, I think
[57:21] that's typically late summer, mid-summer.
[57:26] I could see this being incorporated into that, probably keep it on the, you know, the PNR
[57:35] Our list has the future P and R agenda items and then it also has the strategic list, there's sort of two lists.
[57:43] I would think this would fall on the strategic list so that we can capture it, track it, give it visibility.
[57:50] So that would be probably a good place to punch list it out.
[57:54] Thank you.
[57:55] Thanks.
[57:56] Any other questions?
[57:58] Up to the audience for anyone wishing me a comment?
[58:03] Seeing none, back to council.
[58:04] I would just suggest that maybe before we have the strategic plan discussion, staff, and potentially even planning and zoning chime in on which goals or objectives might be the first, second, third in their minds so that then we can have a more robust discussion about whether we agree, disagree, want to reorder things and go from there.
[58:32] but some guidance from planning and zoning and from staff would be helpful to facilitate that discussion.
[58:38] But other than that, I'm glad we're submitting something more than a napkin or something like that.
[58:47] Any other comments?
[58:49] Roll call, please.
[58:51] All the person, Lawrence?
[58:53] Yes.
[58:53] Yachi?
[58:54] Yes.
[58:54] Leftler?
[58:55] Yes.
[58:55] Ran?
[58:56] Yes.
[58:56] Sanchez?
[58:57] Yes.
[58:58] Motion passes 5-0.
[58:59] Just
[59:04] to our next item, I make a motion to approve the first reading of an ordinance approving changes to the license fee schedule for outdoor cafes applicable in 2024.
[59:13] Second,
[59:16] turn it over to you.
[59:18] Sure.
[59:18] You'll recall this topic from just two weeks ago and of course many meetings in the past couple of years.
[59:25] This really just acts on the direction and guidance we've received from the city council two weeks ago, which is to bring the program back for 2024 with no proposed changes.
[59:35] is the way that the ordinance was adopted last year
[59:38] is that the fee that the city charges
[59:40] for the use of public property, mostly parking spaces,
[59:44] is adopted annually.
[59:46] So as you see in the ordinance,
[59:47] the only change is literally just June 2023 to 2024.
[59:51] But that does take city council action
[59:53] to authorize staff to, you know,
[59:56] invoice and charge for that program.
[59:59] Thank you, Drew.
[1:00:00] Questions, yes, John? Yep. Seeing as how this is the first reading, I'm fine with it. I would like to see. We seem to have lost some of the language from last year's approval on the discount rate that we were applying. This sort of makes it seem like that was the rate, and this is the rate we're going to keep, and it doesn't really reference the prior calculated rate that we have agreed to reevaluate from time to time. But at some point, if we're going to look at raising this, I think we need to have that reevaluation.
[1:00:30] And I don't want it to fall by the wayside because somebody reads this memo and thinks that's just the rate.
[1:00:38] Yeah, we can definitely include that in the historical piece of the memo for the same thing.
[1:00:43] Thank you.
[1:00:43] Kalk it out.
[1:00:44] Yeah.
[1:00:45] Any other questions?
[1:00:50] Go to the audience.
[1:00:51] Anyone in the audience wish to make a comment on this?
[1:00:57] I mean, Sheila Duda from T. Lula at 11 South Fairview.
[1:01:01] You should have received two memorandum with your regarding this issue tonight from Mr.
[1:01:08] Salari and myself.
[1:01:09] And we are proposing a compromise to the time frame of this outdoor dining going from
[1:01:17] November through, or I'm sorry, May through November, which is about six months and reducing
[1:01:23] that for more in line with like summer festival time from Memorial Day to Labor Day.
[1:01:29] So, we ask that you take that into consideration by reducing the number of months because the elimination of those parking spaces for six months is really difficult for the businesses adjacent to the closure on Main Street and Justin is an example of how difficult parking already is south of the tracks.
[1:01:50] I received a wonderful call today from a potential customer who had a friend that was the
[1:01:55] head afternoon tea at Tila recently and said it was a wonderful experience, but she
[1:02:00] had a heck of a time parking.
[1:02:02] The woman calling me today was looking to rent my space for 32 people on the Thursday afternoon.
[1:02:07] Her primary concern, after I told her it was $100 a person.
[1:02:12] So for her to bring her club, it would be $3,200.
[1:02:15] That was not her concern whatsoever.
[1:02:17] It's like where are we going to park everyone in my club that's coming to this that we want to bring to your
[1:02:24] Tear room are well over 50 years old and we heard that parking in the area is impossible
[1:02:30] So I gave her some alternatives such as going to the parking lot at the
[1:02:35] Library crossing the tracks and she's like this is ridiculous
[1:02:39] But there's no parking for
[1:02:42] People coming to your establishment. So I just want to emphasize again. How
[1:02:48] how strenuous it is for customers to find parking.
[1:02:52] And I really don't feel that there's any evidence
[1:02:53] to substantiate the fact that we've heard
[1:02:55] from other people, that people Uber or Walk.
[1:02:59] My business is a destination business.
[1:03:01] No one is Ubering or Walking to T'lula.
[1:03:04] They are coming by car from surrounding communities.
[1:03:07] Some as far away as Indiana and Wisconsin.
[1:03:12] So I really ask that you look at this issue
[1:03:16] with the two, the concept of reducing the number of months from May, from Memorial Day to Labor Day, and really looking to see what solutions you can offer as far as bringing back some parking to South of the tracks.
[1:03:29] Thank you.
[1:03:30] Thank you.
[1:03:30] Hi,
[1:03:39] Amy DeGrazio, 27 and 29 self prospect.
[1:03:43] This came about after two weeks ago when we were all here, Tony and Declan and Bob and
[1:03:48] we were all chatting after the meeting.
[1:03:50] This is just about parking, just to throw it out there because I know there's like another
[1:03:53] comprehensive plan coming for the city of Park Ridge and Tony said you said it, so I'll
[1:03:59] say it out loud.
[1:04:00] Have we ever considered using the huge spot in Park Ridge known as the library?
[1:04:08] going down to two levels, retail and restaurants on the first floor, library, second and third floor.
[1:04:14] I know we talked about it 24 years ago when I was on the committee to redo the Uptown,
[1:04:19] and it's been that long, but last two weeks ago, people kept talking about things south of the tracks,
[1:04:25] like where could we put a parking garage, where could we do this, like the restaurants would like more parking, too.
[1:04:30] Like if they could fill up their indoor and their outdoor, and Sheila could fill up her place,
[1:04:34] and we can, you know, we actually have places people want to go now, so parking is essential?
[1:04:40] Could be just like a great win-win for everybody.
[1:04:45] Thank you.
[1:04:50] Any other comments?
[1:04:53] Seeing none?
[1:04:55] Back to council for any remaining comments.
[1:05:00] I guess, right. I mean it's actually a question in light of
[1:05:04] the comment, the public comment, that was made. So it's my understanding that
[1:05:08] that Arsol have land just to the south of Tlula, the parking lot, has been purchased
[1:05:15] and is in process of coming before PNZ for development, and they're proposing multiple
[1:05:21] condos and retail, whatever.
[1:05:23] Just curious, that lot currently is private and is not open to the public, but it has the
[1:05:30] city discussed what the impact is going to be on top of the existing parking problem that
[1:05:36] that these businesses that are experiencing when that development goes in in short-term.
[1:05:41] And whether that needs to impact what we're doing tonight.
[1:05:47] The lots you're talking about are privately owned now.
[1:05:51] They were, they changed hands, or there's some agreement between AT&T and Rain Capital.
[1:05:56] But the impact is, no, these are, I think he's speaking about, on Fairview, correct.
[1:06:02] It's across from Paul.
[1:06:04] Yeah,
[1:06:07] it's yeah, it's directly private. Any development would have to be the parking or traffic impact of that would be part of the PNZ consideration and development of that property. So I'm not sure exactly what they're talking about bringing forward, but that would all have to be discussed and considered in the development.
[1:06:30] Is that on the schedule for PNZ or is it still too early even for that?
[1:06:37] A proposed development is not, they have not applied and is not on the schedule yet.
[1:06:43] They have been in communication with the city for probably two years since A and A sold that real estate.
[1:06:50] And then they have been in more of a due diligence phase the last probably three months.
[1:06:55] So we have a sense of what the development will be, which is some multi-story mixed-use type of development pretty similar to what's in that general area now.
[1:07:05] There are plans that are available for it right now.
[1:07:11] But to the city managers point, you know, they would have to comply with zoning code. So housing has to provide for its own parking per code.
[1:07:20] commercial, the B4 district doesn't require parking for many uses, smaller square footage
[1:07:25] areas.
[1:07:26] The development might be a PUD where that's something that the PNZ commission and the
[1:07:30] city council can look at is what type of parking do we want that development to privately
[1:07:34] provide versus rely on the publicly provided lots in or street parking.
[1:07:39] So that's all part of that consideration.
[1:07:42] But to the comment, I think they're generally chained and since they changed hands, the current
[1:07:48] private property owners, not really wanted people to park on those lots, where A and A I don't think
[1:07:53] really controlled that very much, so that was a change in the last couple of years as I understand it,
[1:07:58] but it's same conversation we've had before, it's private property, they could come into CP&D and
[1:08:03] apply for a five-foot privacy fence around the whole property and we'd have to be that unlikely issue
[1:08:10] defense permits.
[1:08:14] Yeah, John.
[1:08:15] So it's all going to be Ajji's last question was should that potential project have any
[1:08:20] bearing on what we're doing tonight?
[1:08:21] It sounds like they're not far enough along.
[1:08:24] We're going to be well through outdoor dining season, which is the agenda item before us,
[1:08:29] before anything substantial in terms of more density, more cars in the area, more people have
[1:08:36] an impact.
[1:08:36] Correct?
[1:08:37] Correct.
[1:08:38] Yeah, if you're talking about timing the two, I mean, we usually say it takes 90 days to get through entitlements
[1:08:43] Which is applied legally notice P&Z commission and through you all and then a project like that
[1:08:48] I would think would take close to a year at the fastest to build
[1:08:52] so I mean
[1:08:54] I October there's almost no way that I'd be aware of
[1:09:00] Yes, I guess I just renew my my request from last last meeting that we look to see
[1:09:08] we can increase parking in that area south of the tracks, whether it's, you know,
[1:09:13] making fair view one way and putting more diagonal parking, they can vine from prospect
[1:09:18] butler one way, adding more diagonal parking, they can maintain one way, adding more diagonal
[1:09:24] parking.
[1:09:25] I am very sensitive to the concerns of the business owners in town.
[1:09:31] Having said that, to the extent that we're looking for grants for Main Street, I think
[1:09:36] I would be reluctant to shorten the season.
[1:09:38] I think we want to show that we're using that street.
[1:09:41] That's fullest extents.
[1:09:43] So that's my one comment.
[1:09:46] Yes.
[1:09:46] I guess that was one of, so that gets the second question.
[1:09:51] Are we in line with, I'm assuming we are with other communities
[1:09:55] and they're outdoor dining, with the fleet till October?
[1:10:04] I mean, I know we do like you a lot.
[1:10:09] I think there's a lot of uniqueness to it, but yeah, I believe that it's not unusual to have a season that lasts as ours does, but there is a lot of variety to it when we surveyed it a year ago or more, there was quite a bit of variety between communities in a lot of regards and costs and season and everything.
[1:10:35] but I wouldn't say this is unusual.
[1:10:39] And then I guess the fees that we're collecting,
[1:10:44] I'm sorry if I missed this in the last meeting,
[1:10:46] do we have plans for this next year
[1:10:48] for putting it back into the other businesses?
[1:10:54] Yeah, we do.
[1:10:55] Lisa might be able to weigh in better than I can,
[1:10:57] but the fees collected are split into two pieces,
[1:11:02] to components. A third of it goes in sort of back into beautification of the area, which
[1:11:08] is the one component and then two-thirds of it go into a non-restraint marketing budget.
[1:11:16] At least I don't know if you want to give a few snapshots of what's planned, but we have some
[1:11:21] things ordered and some things have arrived. The amount of money collected not to diminish it,
[1:11:28] but from an individual business standpoint,
[1:11:30] but in totality, it's not a significant amount of money.
[1:11:34] It goes fairly quickly, but we have plowed all the money
[1:11:39] back in as we pledged in the prior years,
[1:11:43] and I know there's some plans and budgets in 2024 as well.
[1:11:47] Yeah, I mean, some of the non-restraint marketing items
[1:11:49] that we're doing is it'll be in your mailboxes in April,
[1:11:54] and then there'll be more.
[1:11:55] It's a shopping district map that lists all the restaurants,
[1:11:58] businesses, and shopping that has a business license with the city of Park Ridge.
[1:12:03] And that's going to be a nice enhancement.
[1:12:05] And then we have different items that we're doing with the farmer's market,
[1:12:09] some increased photography, some of the stuff that you've already been seeing,
[1:12:12] but we're pushing it out to the next level.
[1:12:17] So some of the public comment this evening was to shorten the season of the outdoor dining.
[1:12:25] because of the impact on parking.
[1:12:28] If we were to do that, I don't know if this is Joe or Drew.
[1:12:31] If we were to do that, I guess my first question is,
[1:12:36] do any of the businesses along prospect take up parking?
[1:12:39] Or expand it outdoor dining, the Shaku, Icaromba, Patina, are they taking parking spaces this year for outdoor dining?
[1:12:46] I think they've indicated that they'd like to, yeah, in an initial survey,
[1:12:53] because I know it does.
[1:12:54] I know the other expanded is positive pizza, but they don't eat up any parking spaces.
[1:13:01] They just take up some loading zone in front of.
[1:13:04] Yeah, and I don't think Holtz takes over parking anymore either.
[1:13:06] Easy street?
[1:13:07] They don't use street.
[1:13:09] Oh, they don't.
[1:13:10] They're out in Devon.
[1:13:12] They're out in Devon.
[1:13:12] They're on Devon.
[1:13:12] Yeah.
[1:13:13] He just said easy street.
[1:13:14] I was wondering if they were doing anything.
[1:13:16] That would be dangerous.
[1:13:17] So if we did something, so again, this is based on conversations I've had with some of
[1:13:23] The business owners after the last meeting, what I was told the conversation outside here was is that maybe chop off a couple weeks at the beginning of May and a couple weeks in early October and cut it at that don't go basically shorten it, but not to the extent of Memorial Day to Labor Day.
[1:13:43] And it I don't we give thumbs up thumbs down if people agree with my what I was told was sort of the initial conversation.
[1:13:53] But that'd be something I'd be willing to entertain.
[1:13:56] I wouldn't necessarily want it to impact the, I guess, just posse, because they're not really taking up parking.
[1:14:02] If they want it for the full time, that's fine, they could pay for it.
[1:14:05] But if the folks that do eat up street and parking spaces would be willing to compromise with their neighbors and
[1:14:13] take a couple of weeks off the front and back is, I guess my question is, can the city work within those parameters?
[1:14:18] If we decide that's something we'd like to do?
[1:14:21] We can definitely shorten it if that's the decision.
[1:14:24] What I'd prefer to have one program for citywide, because we roll it out once, we roll it up once.
[1:14:32] There's not confusion about who's doing it and who's not.
[1:14:36] Yeah, if it goes up and posse, and they don't see Main Street shut down, people think out.
[1:14:40] The weather's nice and it'll be doing a change.
[1:14:42] So if the season from May 1st to October 31st changes, that's not a problem for staff.
[1:14:49] It's just, I'd rather, I think it makes more sense to have one size fits all for the citywide program.
[1:14:56] If we weren't...
[1:15:02] May 17th through October 11th that had cut one, two, three, four, five weeks off, or we could go through the 18th of October, would basically cut one month off, and we could reduce the rental rate for some of the parking spaces, the use of public property. Is that that would be feasible, that proposal?
[1:15:34] I don't want to decide something that causes a lot of extra headache.
[1:15:42] Well, I'm going to push back a little bit because I have concern that we're going to make a decision that affects the entire town.
[1:15:50] Admittedly, not every business and every restaurant in town is participating in this.
[1:15:54] But we're going to make a decision tonight, based on a handful of places that talked in
[1:16:00] a parking lot and came up to a, with a counter.
[1:16:03] I talked, I'll just, I reached out to another business, restaurant business before the
[1:16:08] meeting tonight, and they had a different opinion about if we are going to shorten the season,
[1:16:14] what they would prefer.
[1:16:16] So, so, so, and again, I think if we talk to the other restaurants that participate, we
[1:16:24] That's what concerns me is that we're going to, I don't know what the best answer is, but this restaurant tour
[1:16:29] their opinion was that may is significantly more valuable to them than October.
[1:16:36] Because people are just in the mind to get out, they spend more month.
[1:16:39] They better go May 1 to September 3rd.
[1:16:41] Yeah, they're exact.
[1:16:44] Their priority was stay the same.
[1:16:46] Their second priority was May 1st till October 15th, and then it was May 1 to October 1.
[1:16:56] Any other comments?
[1:16:57] I
[1:17:02] would suggest that maybe cutting off October, I mean, I don't know, yeah, again, this is,
[1:17:11] or do we keep it the way it is and adjust it for next year and hope that we get some streetscape stuff,
[1:17:16] but if we don't, we'll definitely move it.
[1:17:19] I think the consideration we've taken to next year, I don't think this year at this point,
[1:17:26] The parking issues that have been brought up to me aren't solved by shortening this period at getting 30 parking spots for senior citizens around the area is going to be hard.
[1:17:37] You're not going to be guaranteed that parking. So the problem presented tonight with this shortening, it's not solved by shortening this period.
[1:17:45] It's always going to be a problem. We don't have guaranteed parking.
[1:17:50] Drew, did we have a meeting with where we invited, I know we just, we just today got us some feedback on a survey, I think that was shared with council before we walked in, but there was a meeting, right?
[1:18:03] Not like with us, but with the businesses and the restaurants.
[1:18:07] Constantly put the restaurant that participated in the program.
[1:18:12] It was more like customer feedback loop for people who had actually participated on the administration of it.
[1:18:18] You know, pick up.
[1:18:20] Did we get feedback on the season?
[1:18:23] We just informed that we were going to no proposed changes for this year.
[1:18:29] So I don't know that I heard any feedback about that.
[1:18:32] To the city managers comment, I think we've heard people, we've heard a variety of different
[1:18:37] feedback that it's like well you know trim a couple weeks here a couple weeks there we've had a restaurant
[1:18:42] asked if we could do it till Thanksgiving and roll it into the chambers holiday and shop small
[1:18:48] small business Saturday events. I think I just echoed to the city managers
[1:18:54] point we don't want to run 20 discrete programs for each customized business so
[1:19:00] there's folks that say sure you know is it that three little bears or whatever it's like
[1:19:05] a little shorter, a little longer, got it just right.
[1:19:08] I think we've heard all three versions.
[1:19:11] Was the meeting pretty well attended?
[1:19:14] We only had one restaurant actually attend in person,
[1:19:18] although we had a number of them submit their surveys,
[1:19:22] and that was my understanding from our staff
[1:19:24] was they felt like submitting this survey was sufficient.
[1:19:27] They didn't juggle in their schedule.
[1:19:29] They chose not to attend in an in-person meeting.
[1:19:38] any other comments and
[1:19:43] is I think John you pointed out this is a first read so they're
[1:19:47] there's more dialogue and
[1:19:54] I mean I guess I'm not opposed to cutting off like that
[1:20:00] over I'm looking at Arlington Heights and there's this major September not that we
[1:20:05] base it on one but but in all fairness we did talk about doing this earlier and
[1:20:13] having the communication which you guys did to make it reasonable for the
[1:20:21] restaurants to turn to a program. In John I wanted to your point I wouldn't I'm
[1:20:30] not married to the dates either I mean in the end at the end of the day if a
[1:20:33] change makes sense for everybody I think that makes perfect sense and I would
[1:20:37] support that my fear is that we do something tonight that we have somebody
[1:20:42] That's what I'm, that's what it would be working on.
[1:20:49] So, any other?
[1:20:50] All right, now so, for real.
[1:20:53] All the person, Biagee?
[1:20:55] Yes.
[1:20:55] Leftler?
[1:20:56] Yes.
[1:20:56] Moran?
[1:20:57] Yes.
[1:20:57] Sanchez?
[1:20:58] Yes.
[1:20:58] Lawrence.
[1:20:59] Motion passes, 5-0.
[1:21:01] All right.
[1:21:02] It was unanimous, but would anyone prefer that it not come back?
[1:21:05] Just to keep it all consistent.
[1:21:06] No, no, you can be yes, but I'll just ask for it to be on consent, or not on consent.
[1:21:10] I'll be a no.
[1:21:11] Why if you want to be a no?
[1:21:12] So, I'm very mzuky each and I.
[1:21:14] All right.
[1:21:15] All right.
[1:21:17] And that's a fair pannar.
[1:21:19] You changed his vote.
[1:21:20] Yep.
[1:21:20] And moral to the story, can we not bring this back on consent?
[1:21:24] Yep.
[1:21:25] That's all I was going to ask you to change your vote.
[1:21:29] All right.
[1:21:32] Anything additional for me?
[1:21:33] That's it.
[1:21:33] All right.
[1:21:34] Very good.
[1:21:36] That brings us to public works.
[1:21:39] And actually, I do want to, before we jump to public works,
[1:21:44] Something that was raised by the businesses here about this was the parking, you know, and again, it's been a couple of years since we've really looked at that.
[1:21:55] I know we did a parking study, but it's been more, it's probably longer than I remember than I would even remember, but I know we did one, but there's been a lot of change, there's been COVID, a lot more developments.
[1:22:07] Maybe it is time to re-look at that at parking specifically.
[1:22:12] Maybe there's an opportunity with some of the developments that are happening.
[1:22:17] I know we've looked at, we as a council, I'm not letting any secrets out, but we own that lot on summit.
[1:22:23] We've looked at that about potentially going up or down, really we've talked about going up in public private partnership, and that really hasn't gone anywhere.
[1:22:32] But maybe there's something we can look at on the south side of the tracks.
[1:22:36] If, if, uh, or the nor, or that same spot for that matter, but maybe it is time we take a look at that again, um, in the form of a study, or maybe we reach out to that, uh, if there's development taking place over there on, on fair view, maybe there's an opportunity to work with, uh, that particular property owner, uh, to work together, or maybe even the AT&T folks, which a little bit further over, but, uh,
[1:23:02] In change, maybe there's opportunity for it.
[1:23:04] To piggyback on that, I may to do either the AT&T development or the Fairview Avenue development if they come in as a putter or whatever they.
[1:23:15] I know we don't require new businesses, a new restaurant in Uptown, in the Uptown Core doesn't need a parking study like it used to.
[1:23:23] That used to be a kind of a litmus test that, well, they're able to prove they have enough parking so it's okay.
[1:23:28] Now you don't have to do that.
[1:23:29] Will these developments have to conduct some sort of a parking study?
[1:23:35] I think they answered, yes, I think we've already told them both of those projects.
[1:23:39] We feel like we need a traffic study and the difference is it's new construction.
[1:23:44] So when you have an existing building and even a business is turned over, you have some baseline
[1:23:49] to work from.
[1:23:49] When it's brand new construction, all of that's new activity to the area.
[1:23:54] Obviously both of those are very much bigger, but both of those are fairly sizable projects,
[1:23:59] So that'll add activity.
[1:24:01] So it's something we want to analyze in that review process to what degree they have to provide private parking.
[1:24:08] That's stuff that we deliberate on.
[1:24:10] They could hire a firm, a consulting firm to do a parking study to prove that between private we provided and publicly accessible, they're okay.
[1:24:18] So maybe we wait and see how those come back as sort of a little indication and then go from there.
[1:24:26] I mean, the problem I see isn't necessarily quantity.
[1:24:31] It's the location of the parking and, in general, people's willingness to walk to blocks.
[1:24:38] If you're willing to walk from where the Pusheen headquarters is now to Tee Lula,
[1:24:46] you'll be able to find plenty of parking.
[1:24:47] Or over on that side street, just the other side of Fairview by the AT&T lot,
[1:24:52] there's always spots available.
[1:24:53] and those are, I think, free after 11 a.m.,
[1:24:57] not even meters.
[1:24:58] But again, that's, you got to walk a block and a half.
[1:25:02] Some people just don't want to do that.
[1:25:06] We're canned.
[1:25:07] We have handicapped parking for people who can't.
[1:25:09] There's plenty of that around.
[1:25:11] All the same as right here.
[1:25:14] All right, then we can talk to you back.
[1:25:19] No, it is.
[1:25:20] Very good.
[1:25:21] Thank you.
[1:25:21] Now public works, is there anything additional
[1:25:24] that's not on consent?
[1:25:25] All right, very good.
[1:25:27] Thank you.
[1:25:27] Public safety.
[1:25:28] No report.
[1:25:29] Thank you.
[1:25:30] Sustainability commission.
[1:25:32] Meeting next week.
[1:25:33] No, April 30th.
[1:25:35] Meeting is April 30th.
[1:25:37] Okay.
[1:25:38] Youth Services Commission.
[1:25:40] No report.
[1:25:42] Zoning Board of Appeals.
[1:25:44] Meeting tomorrow night, one issue on the agenda.
[1:25:48] Awesome.
[1:25:48] Any new business?
[1:25:50] I'll just ask if you guys can check your emails.
[1:25:53] I sent you sent everybody an email a little bit earlier if you could respond to that that would be outstanding
[1:26:00] Thank you then I will entertain a motion to adjourn
[1:26:04] All those in favor please think if I'm saying aye. I was opposed
[1:26:08] We are adjourned. Thank you. Anybody mind if we continue push on all right very good. I'd like to enter