Michael Stammer: Okay uh for attendance. Uh,
Michael Stammer: can you respond If you're here. Bo Patakian
Michael Stammer: absent Chelsea Dickerson,
Michael Stammer: Adrian Bath
Michael Stammer: absent so far.
Michael Stammer: Jordan Jordan Hudkin.
Michael Stammer: Okay, Robert Karatsu here,
Michael Stammer: Judith Blanton,
Leslie Rosenthal: Leslie Rosenthal here
Michael Stammer: and myself. Michael Stammer is here.
Michael Stammer: Okay. So
Michael Stammer: we have a quorum. So i'll call the meeting to order,
Michael Stammer: and
Michael Stammer: let me see um. Are we going to have any public comment today? Priscilla, Is it? Is there anybody that's phoned in for that?
Priscilla Lam: See any Um, I don't. Yeah, i'll let you know. But either way, at six fifteen, i'll just announce that.
Michael Stammer: Okay, um for those of you who just got here uh Tim is on vacation. Carlos is going to be taking over in Tim's position this evening,
Michael Stammer: and Carlos uh it has a
Michael Stammer: report that is going to give on the Central Library update. So, Carlos, it's all yours.
Carlos Baffigo: Thank you, Mike.
Carlos Baffigo: Good evening, everyone. Thank you for having me today. Um!
Carlos Baffigo: I wanted to give a give you an update on Central Library, but for those that are tuned in through the audience in the
Carlos Baffigo: those of you that don't have a history of, or Don't know the history of the Central Library. Let me go ahead and start there and
Carlos Baffigo: and
Carlos Baffigo: fill you in on the
Carlos Baffigo: so. Give me just a second. Let me start up my
Carlos Baffigo: presentation.
Carlos Baffigo: Sorry about that.
Carlos Baffigo: There we go
Carlos Baffigo: so again. Thank you very much for having me today in June of one thousand nine hundred and twenty-three voters, approved a bond measure for three and a half million dollars. The construction of the bassad in the library, and also, including the Pasadena City Hall and Civic Auditorium.
Carlos Baffigo: The winning design was by my own Myron Hunt and Hc. Chambers.
Carlos Baffigo: Other projects by Hunt have included the Caltech, Occidental College, the Mona College,
Carlos Baffigo: Huntington Library, the Roseville, of course Mount and Mount Wilson Observatory. The
Carlos Baffigo: construction on the Central Library began on May the nineteenth,
twenty five.
Carlos Baffigo: Here are some pictures of the construction itself.
Carlos Baffigo: You could see the brake Ah! Brick walls and
Carlos Baffigo: the scaffolding all the way around the
here.
Okay,
Carlos Baffigo: There's the finished product on the exterior circuit, one thousand nine hundred and twenty seven, and then we have a picture of the interior during the same.
Carlos Baffigo: So in the one thousand nine hundred and sixtys, one thousand nine hundred and sixty, six. To be exact, there were. There was a major expansion to the building,
Carlos Baffigo: where three different areas
Carlos Baffigo: we're selected to expand the collection, expand the uh study areas and uh and make them make the building uh that much bigger. So we have the reference wings, the fine arts wings, and the story room that were added in one thousand nine hundred and one.
Carlos Baffigo: In the eighties we had another major expansion, this one more internal within the building rather than external, as the ones in
Carlos Baffigo: mit ctl. And in the sixties uh were uh. This one was funded by the Pasadena Public Library Foundation, which is now part of the Pasadena Community foundation, and they raised three point four million dollars to refurbish the central library, one hundred and fifty.
Carlos Baffigo: That's what you see on the screen. There is a picture of the north entrance or a
Carlos Baffigo: rendering of the Norse north entrance before it was actually built.
Carlos Baffigo: Part of that same expansion and project included the addition of the bookstacks. What are now known as the bookstack
Carlos Baffigo: field structure that holds uh about half of the uh Central library's material collection, and it's like, I said, four stories from basement up to what was the teen area
Carlos Baffigo: in the library.
Carlos Baffigo: It also included the installation of the main elevator serving the different forms.
Carlos Baffigo: We had also renovations to the Donald right auditorium, with new lighting Av. And the chairs from the civic auditorium were repurposed for the library.
Carlos Baffigo: The central library has has been awarded and received awards through the years.
Carlos Baffigo: These are three of the major awards the cultural heritage, landmark recognition, the National Preservation award in one thousand nine hundred and ninety. The
Carlos Baffigo: it's on the National Register of historic places as well.
Carlos Baffigo: Here are some facts and figures about the central library. It's approximately one hundred and twenty thousand square feet.
Carlos Baffigo: It sits on a one hundred and thirty, two thousand five hundred square foot lot.
Carlos Baffigo: It does have the four stories, and there's a basement pretty much throughout the entire building.
Carlos Baffigo: The main hall is forty five feet high,
Carlos Baffigo: twenty feet long
Carlos Baffigo: and thirty feet wide.
Carlos Baffigo: It houses, or it's actually still houses approximately three hundred thousand items
Carlos Baffigo: pre-covid. We had around an average of a thousand, plus visitors per day,
Carlos Baffigo: and we had seventy five full-time and part-time library staff working out of the central library.
Carlos Baffigo: So in the spring of two thousand and twenty-one, the city of Pasadena embarked on a comprehensive restoration plan for the central library as part of their overall maintenance, plan and it included the replacement of the roof
Carlos Baffigo: typing systems and
Carlos Baffigo: and electrical systems,
Carlos Baffigo: heating air conditioning and ventilation systems,
Carlos Baffigo: and also some improvements to the exterior.
Carlos Baffigo: However, during the assessment. For for these improvements
Carlos Baffigo: it was determined that the building was mostly comprised of what's called unreinforced masonry or urm
Carlos Baffigo: for short, and those are the
Carlos Baffigo: uh.
Carlos Baffigo: That's the construction of the wall, the weight bearing walls that support the concrete floors and ceilings and the beams, as well.
Carlos Baffigo: Because of that discovery.
Carlos Baffigo: The
Carlos Baffigo: city's building Official
Carlos Baffigo: um
Carlos Baffigo: Close the building on May, the third two thousand and twenty one to public access.
Carlos Baffigo: Here's a a um
Carlos Baffigo: I
Carlos Baffigo: rendition over, I guess, on the left hand side of a fully reinforced mason reconstruction. Wall, you see the two brick
Carlos Baffigo: uh walls, and within the space in between there's a steel
Carlos Baffigo: reinforcement cage
Carlos Baffigo: well as grout or mortar is poured in between, so that that entire unit is is one, so it's a it's a single piece so
Carlos Baffigo: over on the right hand side, you see, and this is this is actual footage, or a natural picture from the central library within a wall. Ah! And there is only air. There's there's no reinforcement. There's no mortar,
Carlos Baffigo: and that's why it's a unreinforced masonry construction.
Carlos Baffigo: So ever since the closure there has been a tremendous amount of work by many city departments to come up with a mitigation plan for the building
Carlos Baffigo: uh
Carlos Baffigo: couple of world. Several Several major
Carlos Baffigo: items are already at play. There was a request for for proposal and Rfp. To select a qualified design team
Carlos Baffigo: which would be versed in seismic retrofit in historic preservation
Carlos Baffigo: that contract is yet to be awarded. But we're hopeful that fairly soon that will be the case, maybe in early two thousand and twenty three.
Carlos Baffigo: There are also two committees that are already meeting and and working on the project.
Carlos Baffigo: First is the Mayor's Technical Committee, and this is comprised of highly skilled and experienced individuals who work
Carlos Baffigo: in engineering, structural engineering, seismic engineering as well as construction.
Carlos Baffigo: And they are to
Carlos Baffigo: work with the design firm and
Carlos Baffigo: basically serve as a family board for any schemes or any
Carlos Baffigo: and any uh obstacles that the design team might come across. Uh in their opinion on what should or could be done again. This is a very highly skilled and experienced group. The other committee that is in play is the programming committee, one hundred and fifty,
Carlos Baffigo: and they are tasked with giving direction and perspective on future library services. These are library professionals, past
Carlos Baffigo: library directors, and also nonprofit and communities leaders.
Carlos Baffigo: What you see on the pictures. There is what we're regarding as essentially a lab. It's a small room
Carlos Baffigo: mit ctl, and it it looks bigger than it actually is, but it's a small room that has a basic representation of the is a basic representation of the construction throughout the building, and you can see the brick there on the walls, and it's being used currently one hundred and fifty
Carlos Baffigo: for material testing and other other other testing, like sheer wall and
Carlos Baffigo: and other tolerances.
Carlos Baffigo: Also deal Technical soil testing has been completed, and in those results will be handed over to the design firm once selected or once approved.
Carlos Baffigo: So a couple of big questions here, what happens to the central library, material and collection and services.
Carlos Baffigo: Well, immediately upon closure of the central library we needed to to
Carlos Baffigo: move Staff Key Staff out of the building, obviously,
Carlos Baffigo: and start ah setting up office space one of the ways we did that is by leasing trailers which you, if you're driving by the parking lot at the central library. You see them towards the back. Those are the trailers that are pictured on the screen,
Carlos Baffigo: and they are mainly for the handling and delivering and routing of materials coming in and out of Central Library.
Carlos Baffigo: So we have our technical services staff
Carlos Baffigo: in those trailers.
Carlos Baffigo: We also
Carlos Baffigo: Ah, we're able to lease the ah Jefferson Elementary School campus, which is now the Jefferson Branch Library, or at least houses. The Jefferson Branch library. This has been
Carlos Baffigo: quite the the the project in itself, with
Carlos Baffigo: not only
Carlos Baffigo: tenant improvements for the existing buildings, but also the coordination that it's taken between
Carlos Baffigo: a
Carlos Baffigo: several building, several city departments. For example, Fire Department has a presence at Jefferson Police Department has a presence of Jefferson as well as Ah Parks recreation and community services. Ah! Along with that public works has been involved planning, department, building and safety. It's It's really been a a concerted effort to get Jefferson up and running, which i'm proud to say we had the grand opening on November first, and we open.
Carlos Baffigo: I'm sorry on November the fifth. We had a soft opening on November the first. So this is serving as a location for our youth and teen services,
Carlos Baffigo: and hold some some collection from the central library as well.
Carlos Baffigo: This is a look at the Jefferson campus, and how it's currently laid out. You see in yellow the library space. We have library storage there as well. There's a parking lot off to the bottom right, and we have the uh Red Swap. There is the fire in fire trading area,
Carlos Baffigo: and then the police department pals program is there as well
Carlos Baffigo: uh
Carlos Baffigo: another component of this relocation uh project? Um or effort has been uh developing the Rose Palace of Uh building as a location to House, the Central Library's collection.
Carlos Baffigo: We have approximately three hundred thousand items at the Central Library
Carlos Baffigo: mit Ctl. And and this building would pretty much house the majority of that in early two thousand and twenty-three. So a few months from now we are expecting the delivery of the shelving that will go on the on the one hundred and fifty
Carlos Baffigo: inside the warehouse there.
Carlos Baffigo: So it'll be filled with shelving. There's already existing office space for for staff, and eventually what it'll it'll become, is really a distribution point, not just to to house the Central Library location, but also to house uh the the the collection for the system
Carlos Baffigo: and and have it be a a distribution, a distribution point. There is also other storage space here, so furniture from the central library will be stored there as well.
Carlos Baffigo: So again,
Carlos Baffigo: in regards to the big questions, how much will it cost?
Carlos Baffigo: Well,
Carlos Baffigo: it's really too premature to know at this point uh the design team really has to come on board, and they have to uh come up with design schemes based on their findings. Uh, from the testing the exploration
Carlos Baffigo: and discovery phase which we haven't really entered into quite yet. So so how much? Well it it again! It's going to depend on their findings, and what the ultimate method is for any
Carlos Baffigo: sort of retrofit, and also the scope of the retrofit, whether it's going to be a
Carlos Baffigo: ah, not not
Carlos Baffigo: ah involved as much as, or if it doesn't, involve the entire building, or if it's only certain areas that need to be retrofitted, that will, of course, determine the scope of the project. One,
Carlos Baffigo: however, I will have to say that uh, and i'm sure you already know. Uh, but we did receive a considerable amount of um of funds for the design and engineering work on the project. So uh, and this was from Assembly Member Chris Holden's office.
Carlos Baffigo: They secured nine million dollars towards the design and engineering work. We're also exploring other opportunities as far as Grants and funding.
Carlos Baffigo: How long will the construction take? Again, it's premature to know, because we don't have the entirety of the of a scope uh quite yet, and won't for for uh, some time, until at least the design work is is finished.
Carlos Baffigo: One of the goals for the design firm coming on board is to come up with a cost estimate, and at that point in time we'll have a cost estimate, but also a timeline and a schedule for the project. So it's It's going to take a little bit of time, but that will be coming in the future.
Carlos Baffigo: So in the meantime we obviously still have our other branches. We have ten branches in all, including Jefferson, and you see, Jefferson listed there.
Carlos Baffigo: Ah, as has been mentioned before, and is is part of our system. There is a branch within one mile walking distance from anywhere in Pasadena, maybe, except for Center library, of course, because it's now closed, but pretty much anywhere else in Pasadena. You can reach a library in
Carlos Baffigo: in short time.
Carlos Baffigo: That is my presentation, or in that safe to the Central Library. I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have.
Michael Stammer: Thank you very much, Carlos. Does anybody have some questions for him.
Judith Blanton: Yeah, I think you said the Rose Palace. Is that used for the Rosebow Parade, when what? What will happen with the Rosebow parade when they need it.
Carlos Baffigo: I'm glad you asked you this. Uh. So indeed the Rose Palace is, is uh is the place where the rose votes were constructed. I say were because about six years ago those operations actually were moved to Orwindale. So really, there's not much float uh construction taking place in the city of Pasadena at this time.
Carlos Baffigo: Uh, so that building was uh once. Once those operations were moved to or Wendale, the city of
Carlos Baffigo: Uh, it was the the Rose Palace Building was lease to a car storage company. Uh, once that lease ended, it gave us the opportunity to look at it as a as an option for for the central library location, but it's a very interesting building, because
Carlos Baffigo: uh, even before it was used for the the rose floats.
Carlos Baffigo: It was a concert hall and uh bands like led Zeppelin cream, and you know all these other nostalgic bands uh played there. So there's quite a bit of history to that building. Uh, I should also add, i'm sorry
Carlos Baffigo: I don't know about that, but they're sure we're a loud speakers. Um, yeah, uh the one other thing that I wanted to mention in regards to Rose Palace is that that building will not be open to the public because it will be a distribution point for for the system.
Robert Karatsu: Okay, anybody else. I had a couple of questions. One first of all I I was. I didn't realize that that center part where all the bookstacks are so at what point? It was just completely open all the way up to the the ceiling.
Carlos Baffigo: Uh. So the original design
Carlos Baffigo: uh was that that that area, indeed, was a room with a high vault and ceiling. So it was. Uh it's. It's not as high as the main hall, so it's probably about maybe thirty, thirty-five feet in height.
Carlos Baffigo: But uh that entire area was a I believe it was an exhibition room,
Carlos Baffigo: so they would exhibit part and so on. Um, So it was just the mean floor as you come in from the north entrance. It was the main,
Carlos Baffigo: the main floor there, and you could see all the way up to to the to the ceiling. There was nothing there.
Robert Karatsu: And then The second question I had was about the fact that it is a designated billing on the the National Historic Register. Does that really change things? As far as you know, what can be done as far as when they start working or looking at
Robert Karatsu: um. You know modernizing or uh updating the actual building.
Carlos Baffigo: A lot of that depends on whether we end up receiving Federal funding. If there are Federal grants that we take uh advantage of, or or or use
Carlos Baffigo: that may require us to go through a review process um at at at that level uh at this point in time we haven't identified any Federal funds uh yet not to say that we won't. But to answer your question, there would be an additional,
Carlos Baffigo: or there would be additional steps and potentially some approval process. If uh, if if we choose to go that route.
Michael Stammer: Okay, Carlos um. Towards the beginning of your presentation you showed us the difference between the reinforced brickwork and the unreinforced, and
Michael Stammer: and that unreinforced picture how much space because it looked like it looked like If the space isn't that big, all you need to do about probably is, fill it with a concrete and rebar, or is there something more to within that?
Carlos Baffigo: Well, uh, I I have to give a disclaimer, i'm not an engineer, and i'm not a designer or an architect. Um
Carlos Baffigo: uh! In
Carlos Baffigo: the
Carlos Baffigo: the picture there was just to give you an idea for
Carlos Baffigo: some of the conditions that are found within the building. The space in between that that is shown on the picture. That space in between is approximately, I would say, eighteen inches, maybe fourteen to eighteen inches,
Carlos Baffigo: something like that. So you've got uh. If you've been in the central library, there are the walls. The width of the walls is is is quite large. It's at least uh maybe thirty inch
Carlos Baffigo: size walls. So then, each for for those walls you have an inner and an outer
Carlos Baffigo: uh uh, uh, uh brick.
Carlos Baffigo: Uh, Well, let's see. How would you say it? Layers of brick, right? And then the space in between.
Carlos Baffigo: So So that's what that was showing. Uh, but it's Yeah, it's approximately maybe fourteen inches, something like that in between.
Michael Stammer: And and for the reinforced
Michael Stammer: drawing that you showed us that looked like it would be considerably less than fourteen inches between. Is that right?
Carlos Baffigo: Again? It was just the drawing. It could be any any size. Really.
Carlos Baffigo: Yeah, it's just that. The idea is that in order to make one unit out of the wall, you'd have to fill it with
Carlos Baffigo: something, and that and that would be us steal, maybe um uh uh mortar or grout. Uh, but that's those are only. And again, this is a very simple um illustration of the conditions. So please
Carlos Baffigo: uh, that may not be true for the entire building, nor might it be the scheme that is selected for the building itself. It could be. Uh, there's so many other ways to retrofit a building.
Michael Stammer: Okay, that would seem to be one of the more simple ones, I guess. But
Michael Stammer: but who knows? You know?
Michael Stammer: Yeah, if if if it were left to that one, then it probably wouldn't take as much time as it's probably going to take, so i'm sure there's going to be more to it than that
Carlos Baffigo: there are. There are. There are other components as well within that are deficient. So that's just an illustration.
Carlos Baffigo: Okay, thank you.
Carlos Baffigo: Thanks, Carlos, you're welcome
Michael Stammer: anybody else before before we end that presentation.
Michael Stammer: All right. Um,
Priscilla Lam: Priscilla. I I assume that there's no public comment. Is that right? There's no attendees, but i'll just announce if anyone has a public comment in the Attendee section you can go ahead and raise your hand or press star nine and a mute yourself, and
as there are no attendees, there are no public comments.
Michael Stammer: Okay, thank you. Um.
Michael Stammer: This Everybody had a chance to review the minutes from last meeting,
Michael Stammer: and
Michael Stammer: if so, does anybody have anything they like to change, or shall we approve them?
Michael Stammer: Do I hear a motion?
Chelsea Dickerson: I'll have to uh approve the minutes from our last meeting.
Michael Stammer: Okay, Um,
Michael Stammer: it's about to say all the paper, but we're not together, or we Okay, so um. These indicate the iron a both Tackian. I do.
Michael Stammer: Chelsea.
Michael Stammer: Did they dream? Come? Is she here?
Priscilla Lam: No, she's absent tonight?
Jordan Hutkin: Yes,
Michael Stammer: Robert. Yes, Judith
Michael Stammer: Leslie,
Michael Stammer: yes, and i'll vote. Yes, so the minutes are approved.
Michael Stammer: It was supposed to be me, but I was ill, and I wasn't able to go.
Michael Stammer: Does anybody have any reports uh regarding the associates meetings. Hastings?
Michael Stammer: Probably not, and probably not Lap and Teresa. Is that right,
Michael Stammer: Leslie? Uh! Did you go to San Rafael?
Leslie Rosenthal: I did.
Leslie Rosenthal: I did. I went to San Francisco and Linda visa, and they're both um celebrating the Uh. Yes, on L. Uh, when
Leslie Rosenthal: and the Linda visa are having celebrated with champagne, So
Leslie Rosenthal: I I was invited. I I went there. I went to the San Rafael meeting um at four, and then I went to uh Linda Vista. I did not have you champagne because I was driving, and then I came back. Jump back on zoom.
Leslie Rosenthal: So they're the mostly um. All of them work pretty hard on, you know whether it was putting long signs out or stuffing envelope. So uh um! And they were all very enthusiastic. So
Michael Stammer: the Robert, if you look lately to see what the um
Leslie Rosenthal: what the uh percentage was that we that we passed by the last time I looked in. I think it was maybe yesterday. It's getting close to eighty-four percent. Yeah, I was gonna say they were saying it was eighty or above eighty-two. But I I don't know I haven't looked so. It was a couple of times the last couple of times, I think, was eighty-four wasn't it
Michael Stammer: so with so we're still in the same ballpark that's that's really good, considering the fact that economic times aren't what they were the
Robert Karatsu: I mean, I I offhand. I think this is the highest percentage, so that this measure has ever received. I I don't think it's gotten this I in years past, but maybe when Tim gets back you can verify that. But you know, offend, I would say we're
Robert Karatsu: it's over eighty-four percent that the one thing I I was looking at is it's
Robert Karatsu: the measure in San or South Pasadena is a little bit higher, but you know Oh, well,
Michael Stammer: well, i'm sure we'll find out tomorrow evening if we said about the record,
Judith Blanton: it's nice. We have such support where there's a lot of how stress around libraries in other parts of the country.
Michael Stammer: Yeah, yeah, no. The path passaging is wonderful with the library. So the the the population of the city really values them, and there's a lot to be valued.
Judith Blanton: So I've just been reading so many librarians you're quitting, and it's just been so stressful for them.
Michael Stammer: Yeah, no. We don't seem to have that problem here which is a good thing.
Michael Stammer: Um,
Michael Stammer: let's see.
Michael Stammer: Okay, does anybody have any announcements they'd like to make?
Priscilla Lam: I do. Um If one remembers. Last year there was the Pastina festival of Women authors event that was at the convention center that is coming up again for two thousand and twenty-three. It's gonna be at the passenger hilton this time. Uh, we have secured a table. I believe there are seven tickets right now available. We would like a response by the end of November. If you are interested in going. Um, Essentially, we have a table, and then
Priscilla Lam: there are breakout sessions, so you can go and be part of um one of the authors panels, so I i'll send out the information after this, so you can look at the website. Look at who the authors are this year. It should be a really fun event, I think. Um. So please let me know.
Priscilla Lam: Reply to me and email. We just need to answer by the thirtieth. If you're interested and the date is Saturday, March eleventh, two thousand and twenty-three at the Pasadena Hilton.
Priscilla Lam: That's it for me mike.
Michael Stammer: Okay, Thank you. I'm just writing that down.
Priscilla Lam: Sure.
Priscilla Lam: And i'll send out an email after this with the link to the event.
Michael Stammer: Okay, anybody else with any announcements.
Michael Stammer: All right. Um. Now we talked about uh the commission business regarding the associates meetings and the friends meetings. I know that that
Michael Stammer: Tim made mentioned last time that we really need to share the wealth in terms of our attendance at the the friends of the library meetings. Uh, there's a meeting coming up next week, I believe. Isn't there.
Priscilla Lam: I actually believe Adrienne had said. They're going most likely dark in November and December. I've not,
Priscilla Lam: because next week I think next week is like
Priscilla Lam: close to Thanksgiving, So I i'm not sure. Yeah, it's really close to Thanksgiving.
Priscilla Lam: Um.
Priscilla Lam: And i'm not sure if it's happening for December I haven't heard from Adrienne.
Michael Stammer: Yeah, December's meeting I think would be on the twenty-seven, and probably half the people won't be around at that time. If they are, they will be exchanging gifts for returning gifts. Um, Maybe we could take a volunteer for the January one which would be the twenty-five. Okay, Would anybody like to volunteer for that meeting
Michael Stammer: I can attend that meeting?
Michael Stammer: Oh, Great, Thank you.
Michael Stammer: Okay. And
Chelsea Dickerson: and do we sometimes go to our countries in December?
Michael Stammer: Yeah, we're going to talk about that. We'll. We'll adjourn um. We'll vote to basically just adjourn until January, which cancels out
Priscilla Lam: December, and then i'll send out the cancellation. So our our next commission meeting would be on January eighteenth. But we'll we'll go around the room. So we have that
Priscilla Lam: as a vote.
Michael Stammer: Okay. And I believe uh that, the City Council.
Michael Stammer: I know that they had. They wanted us to zoom this month, but I think that they said starting after this month, which in our case would
Michael Stammer: likely be in January uh it looks like. We'll be meeting in person that time.
Michael Stammer: So that'll be good. It'll be nice to meet in person for a change.
Michael Stammer: Um! Was that confirmed Carlos.
Carlos Baffigo: So at at At this point City Council has not made a decision on whether to meet in person or not. I believe that's um it's still pending, so it's still a question, mark.
Michael Stammer: I didn't know if it was official or not. But I i'd heard that that they said that um it's up to each individual organization that they they may continue to meet via Zoom because a couple of them are uncomfortable meeting in person. But I think that I I thought that they said that uh
Michael Stammer: that it's going to be. They're going to leave it in the hands of each individual
Michael Stammer: organization, or me, or commission, or whatever.
Carlos Baffigo: Yeah, we can. We can certainly get additional clarification on that. Uh, and
Carlos Baffigo: and get back to you.
Priscilla Lam: We'll we'll meet January eighteenth, and i'll
Priscilla Lam: send out the details regarding that. As soon as we
Michael Stammer: get additional information,
Michael Stammer: do we need to?
Priscilla Lam: Um. If we're
Priscilla Lam: ready to adjourn, will do. We could do that at the end.
Michael Stammer: Okay, Well, does anybody have anything that they'd like to add, Because I think we've pretty much covered the agenda.
Robert Karatsu: I I forgot to mention one one thing about the announcement is day with that last Thursday that the Lamanda Park, the Pocket park open,
Robert Karatsu: and it's
Robert Karatsu: amazing. I I mean the the kids love it, and it's just if you're familiar with the the that in the park area there are just a lot of apartments there that really don't have any kind of green space, or backyards or places to play. And so I I really think that the um the park at
Robert Karatsu: Lamanda, which is finally it's a real part. Now, Um is gonna feel a real um need in that part of uh Pasadena with which I have a bill, you know, a a few blocks from. So i'm real happy that it finally got open. So you know, thanks to the city and
Robert Karatsu: um the public Works people for putting in um a lot of work, and it's a nice par if you're ever in the area, stop by, because it really will add, you know, just another nice level
Robert Karatsu: thing for the community, and also for the library as well, just being right there and having a park in its own backyard.
Michael Stammer: Well, thanks for mentioning that, Robert. I I know that I had planned on going to the to the opening of that, and and I've just been so tied up with some other things. Recently. I haven't had a chance to, but i'll take a ride by tomorrow the next day and see how it is.
Michael Stammer: Okay,
Michael Stammer: Any anything else before we before we
Michael Stammer: talk about adjoining until January eighteenth.
Michael Stammer: All right. In that case,
Michael Stammer: let's uh let's vote on that, or do we? Once again? I'm not sure. Generally we vote on going dark for a month, but if if you don't think it's necessary, Priscilla, then we won't.
Priscilla Lam: Um I We usually like plan for this, so
Priscilla Lam: it it's fine, unless the Commission says says otherwise we'll leave it up to the to the floor.
Michael Stammer: Does anybody have any objections to going dark at Christmas.
Michael Stammer: In that case, um. We'll adjourn the meeting until January eighteenth.
Okay,
Michael Stammer: Okay, Thanks. Everybody.