1 00:00:03,270 --> 00:00:06,300 Michael Stammer: Okay uh for attendance. Uh, 2 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:11,370 Michael Stammer: can you respond If you're here. Bo Patakian 3 00:00:11,370 --> 00:00:14,370 Michael Stammer: absent Chelsea Dickerson, 4 00:00:15,570 --> 00:00:17,970 Michael Stammer: Adrian Bath 5 00:00:18,430 --> 00:00:20,380 Michael Stammer: absent so far. 6 00:00:20,380 --> 00:00:23,380 Michael Stammer: Jordan Jordan Hudkin. 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,520 Michael Stammer: Okay, Robert Karatsu here, 8 00:00:28,810 --> 00:00:31,210 Michael Stammer: Judith Blanton, 9 00:00:31,370 --> 00:00:34,260 Leslie Rosenthal: Leslie Rosenthal here 10 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:38,840 Michael Stammer: and myself. Michael Stammer is here. 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,100 Michael Stammer: Okay. So 12 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:45,370 Michael Stammer: we have a quorum. So i'll call the meeting to order, 13 00:00:45,370 --> 00:00:47,370 Michael Stammer: and 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:58,400 Michael Stammer: let me see um. Are we going to have any public comment today? Priscilla, Is it? Is there anybody that's phoned in for that? 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:09,400 Priscilla Lam: See any Um, I don't. Yeah, i'll let you know. But either way, at six fifteen, i'll just announce that. 16 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:19,360 Michael Stammer: Okay, um for those of you who just got here uh Tim is on vacation. Carlos is going to be taking over in Tim's position this evening, 17 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,900 Michael Stammer: and Carlos uh it has a 18 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:29,900 Michael Stammer: report that is going to give on the Central Library update. So, Carlos, it's all yours. 19 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:31,140 Carlos Baffigo: Thank you, Mike. 20 00:01:31,140 --> 00:01:35,290 Carlos Baffigo: Good evening, everyone. Thank you for having me today. Um! 21 00:01:35,290 --> 00:01:45,500 Carlos Baffigo: I wanted to give a give you an update on Central Library, but for those that are tuned in through the audience in the 22 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:54,990 Carlos Baffigo: those of you that don't have a history of, or Don't know the history of the Central Library. Let me go ahead and start there and 23 00:01:54,990 --> 00:01:56,760 Carlos Baffigo: and 24 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,310 Carlos Baffigo: fill you in on the 25 00:01:59,310 --> 00:02:03,770 Carlos Baffigo: so. Give me just a second. Let me start up my 26 00:02:03,770 --> 00:02:05,770 Carlos Baffigo: presentation. 27 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,500 Carlos Baffigo: Sorry about that. 28 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:23,850 Carlos Baffigo: There we go 29 00:02:30,140 --> 00:02:40,140 Carlos Baffigo: so again. Thank you very much for having me today in June of one thousand nine hundred and twenty-three voters, approved a bond measure for three and a half million dollars. The construction of the bassad in the library, and also, including the Pasadena City Hall and Civic Auditorium. 30 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:57,750 Carlos Baffigo: The winning design was by my own Myron Hunt and Hc. Chambers. 31 00:02:57,750 --> 00:03:04,650 Carlos Baffigo: Other projects by Hunt have included the Caltech, Occidental College, the Mona College, 32 00:03:04,650 --> 00:03:11,200 Carlos Baffigo: Huntington Library, the Roseville, of course Mount and Mount Wilson Observatory. The 33 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,530 Carlos Baffigo: construction on the Central Library began on May the nineteenth, 34 00:03:15,530 --> 00:03:17,530 twenty five. 35 00:03:20,580 --> 00:03:23,770 Carlos Baffigo: Here are some pictures of the construction itself. 36 00:03:23,770 --> 00:03:27,100 Carlos Baffigo: You could see the brake Ah! Brick walls and 37 00:03:27,100 --> 00:03:32,410 Carlos Baffigo: the scaffolding all the way around the 38 00:03:32,860 --> 00:03:34,860 here. 39 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:36,300 Okay, 40 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:46,300 Carlos Baffigo: There's the finished product on the exterior circuit, one thousand nine hundred and twenty seven, and then we have a picture of the interior during the same. 41 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:59,210 Carlos Baffigo: So in the one thousand nine hundred and sixtys, one thousand nine hundred and sixty, six. To be exact, there were. There was a major expansion to the building, 42 00:03:59,210 --> 00:04:02,480 Carlos Baffigo: where three different areas 43 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:12,480 Carlos Baffigo: we're selected to expand the collection, expand the uh study areas and uh and make them make the building uh that much bigger. So we have the reference wings, the fine arts wings, and the story room that were added in one thousand nine hundred and one. 44 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:34,900 Carlos Baffigo: In the eighties we had another major expansion, this one more internal within the building rather than external, as the ones in 45 00:04:34,410 --> 00:04:44,410 Carlos Baffigo: mit ctl. And in the sixties uh were uh. This one was funded by the Pasadena Public Library Foundation, which is now part of the Pasadena Community foundation, and they raised three point four million dollars to refurbish the central library, one hundred and fifty. 46 00:04:50,450 --> 00:04:56,300 Carlos Baffigo: That's what you see on the screen. There is a picture of the north entrance or a 47 00:04:56,300 --> 00:05:03,510 Carlos Baffigo: rendering of the Norse north entrance before it was actually built. 48 00:05:03,510 --> 00:05:13,510 Carlos Baffigo: Part of that same expansion and project included the addition of the bookstacks. What are now known as the bookstack 49 00:05:15,620 --> 00:05:25,620 Carlos Baffigo: field structure that holds uh about half of the uh Central library's material collection, and it's like, I said, four stories from basement up to what was the teen area 50 00:05:32,420 --> 00:05:34,120 Carlos Baffigo: in the library. 51 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:43,120 Carlos Baffigo: It also included the installation of the main elevator serving the different forms. 52 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:55,760 Carlos Baffigo: We had also renovations to the Donald right auditorium, with new lighting Av. And the chairs from the civic auditorium were repurposed for the library. 53 00:06:03,670 --> 00:06:12,670 Carlos Baffigo: The central library has has been awarded and received awards through the years. 54 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:22,670 Carlos Baffigo: These are three of the major awards the cultural heritage, landmark recognition, the National Preservation award in one thousand nine hundred and ninety. The 55 00:06:22,670 --> 00:06:29,870 Carlos Baffigo: it's on the National Register of historic places as well. 56 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:38,420 Carlos Baffigo: Here are some facts and figures about the central library. It's approximately one hundred and twenty thousand square feet. 57 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:43,150 Carlos Baffigo: It sits on a one hundred and thirty, two thousand five hundred square foot lot. 58 00:06:43,150 --> 00:06:49,850 Carlos Baffigo: It does have the four stories, and there's a basement pretty much throughout the entire building. 59 00:06:49,850 --> 00:06:53,660 Carlos Baffigo: The main hall is forty five feet high, 60 00:06:53,660 --> 00:06:55,690 Carlos Baffigo: twenty feet long 61 00:06:55,690 --> 00:06:59,290 Carlos Baffigo: and thirty feet wide. 62 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:07,180 Carlos Baffigo: It houses, or it's actually still houses approximately three hundred thousand items 63 00:07:07,180 --> 00:07:14,500 Carlos Baffigo: pre-covid. We had around an average of a thousand, plus visitors per day, 64 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:24,500 Carlos Baffigo: and we had seventy five full-time and part-time library staff working out of the central library. 65 00:07:25,730 --> 00:07:35,730 Carlos Baffigo: So in the spring of two thousand and twenty-one, the city of Pasadena embarked on a comprehensive restoration plan for the central library as part of their overall maintenance, plan and it included the replacement of the roof 66 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,470 Carlos Baffigo: typing systems and 67 00:07:44,470 --> 00:07:47,300 Carlos Baffigo: and electrical systems, 68 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:50,420 Carlos Baffigo: heating air conditioning and ventilation systems, 69 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:54,650 Carlos Baffigo: and also some improvements to the exterior. 70 00:07:54,650 --> 00:08:00,500 Carlos Baffigo: However, during the assessment. For for these improvements 71 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:10,420 Carlos Baffigo: it was determined that the building was mostly comprised of what's called unreinforced masonry or urm 72 00:08:10,420 --> 00:08:13,640 Carlos Baffigo: for short, and those are the 73 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,250 Carlos Baffigo: uh. 74 00:08:15,250 --> 00:08:25,250 Carlos Baffigo: That's the construction of the wall, the weight bearing walls that support the concrete floors and ceilings and the beams, as well. 75 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:29,500 Carlos Baffigo: Because of that discovery. 76 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:30,830 Carlos Baffigo: The 77 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:32,919 Carlos Baffigo: city's building Official 78 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:34,320 Carlos Baffigo: um 79 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:42,169 Carlos Baffigo: Close the building on May, the third two thousand and twenty one to public access. 80 00:08:42,169 --> 00:08:45,190 Carlos Baffigo: Here's a a um 81 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:46,990 Carlos Baffigo: I 82 00:08:46,990 --> 00:08:56,990 Carlos Baffigo: rendition over, I guess, on the left hand side of a fully reinforced mason reconstruction. Wall, you see the two brick 83 00:08:57,900 --> 00:09:04,460 Carlos Baffigo: uh walls, and within the space in between there's a steel 84 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:06,830 Carlos Baffigo: reinforcement cage 85 00:09:06,830 --> 00:09:16,830 Carlos Baffigo: well as grout or mortar is poured in between, so that that entire unit is is one, so it's a it's a single piece so 86 00:09:19,110 --> 00:09:29,110 Carlos Baffigo: over on the right hand side, you see, and this is this is actual footage, or a natural picture from the central library within a wall. Ah! And there is only air. There's there's no reinforcement. There's no mortar, 87 00:09:36,450 --> 00:09:42,450 Carlos Baffigo: and that's why it's a unreinforced masonry construction. 88 00:09:46,330 --> 00:09:56,330 Carlos Baffigo: So ever since the closure there has been a tremendous amount of work by many city departments to come up with a mitigation plan for the building 89 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,430 Carlos Baffigo: uh 90 00:09:59,430 --> 00:10:04,230 Carlos Baffigo: couple of world. Several Several major 91 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:11,860 Carlos Baffigo: items are already at play. There was a request for for proposal and Rfp. To select a qualified design team 92 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:16,400 Carlos Baffigo: which would be versed in seismic retrofit in historic preservation 93 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:26,100 Carlos Baffigo: that contract is yet to be awarded. But we're hopeful that fairly soon that will be the case, maybe in early two thousand and twenty three. 94 00:10:26,100 --> 00:10:31,670 Carlos Baffigo: There are also two committees that are already meeting and and working on the project. 95 00:10:31,670 --> 00:10:40,490 Carlos Baffigo: First is the Mayor's Technical Committee, and this is comprised of highly skilled and experienced individuals who work 96 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:47,690 Carlos Baffigo: in engineering, structural engineering, seismic engineering as well as construction. 97 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,820 Carlos Baffigo: And they are to 98 00:10:51,820 --> 00:10:56,620 Carlos Baffigo: work with the design firm and 99 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:04,520 Carlos Baffigo: basically serve as a family board for any schemes or any 100 00:11:04,590 --> 00:11:14,590 Carlos Baffigo: and any uh obstacles that the design team might come across. Uh in their opinion on what should or could be done again. This is a very highly skilled and experienced group. The other committee that is in play is the programming committee, one hundred and fifty, 101 00:11:21,310 --> 00:11:31,310 Carlos Baffigo: and they are tasked with giving direction and perspective on future library services. These are library professionals, past 102 00:11:32,660 --> 00:11:38,660 Carlos Baffigo: library directors, and also nonprofit and communities leaders. 103 00:11:40,580 --> 00:11:48,370 Carlos Baffigo: What you see on the pictures. There is what we're regarding as essentially a lab. It's a small room 104 00:11:48,370 --> 00:11:58,370 Carlos Baffigo: mit ctl, and it it looks bigger than it actually is, but it's a small room that has a basic representation of the is a basic representation of the construction throughout the building, and you can see the brick there on the walls, and it's being used currently one hundred and fifty 105 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:13,440 Carlos Baffigo: for material testing and other other other testing, like sheer wall and 106 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,840 Carlos Baffigo: and other tolerances. 107 00:12:17,130 --> 00:12:27,130 Carlos Baffigo: Also deal Technical soil testing has been completed, and in those results will be handed over to the design firm once selected or once approved. 108 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:41,600 Carlos Baffigo: So a couple of big questions here, what happens to the central library, material and collection and services. 109 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:50,610 Carlos Baffigo: Well, immediately upon closure of the central library we needed to to 110 00:12:50,610 --> 00:12:56,460 Carlos Baffigo: move Staff Key Staff out of the building, obviously, 111 00:12:56,460 --> 00:13:06,460 Carlos Baffigo: and start ah setting up office space one of the ways we did that is by leasing trailers which you, if you're driving by the parking lot at the central library. You see them towards the back. Those are the trailers that are pictured on the screen, 112 00:13:12,850 --> 00:13:21,230 Carlos Baffigo: and they are mainly for the handling and delivering and routing of materials coming in and out of Central Library. 113 00:13:21,230 --> 00:13:25,450 Carlos Baffigo: So we have our technical services staff 114 00:13:25,450 --> 00:13:28,450 Carlos Baffigo: in those trailers. 115 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,100 Carlos Baffigo: We also 116 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:41,100 Carlos Baffigo: Ah, we're able to lease the ah Jefferson Elementary School campus, which is now the Jefferson Branch Library, or at least houses. The Jefferson Branch library. This has been 117 00:13:43,570 --> 00:13:49,570 Carlos Baffigo: quite the the the project in itself, with 118 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,290 Carlos Baffigo: not only 119 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:58,530 Carlos Baffigo: tenant improvements for the existing buildings, but also the coordination that it's taken between 120 00:13:58,530 --> 00:14:00,530 Carlos Baffigo: a 121 00:14:01,350 --> 00:14:11,350 Carlos Baffigo: several building, several city departments. For example, Fire Department has a presence at Jefferson Police Department has a presence of Jefferson as well as Ah Parks recreation and community services. Ah! Along with that public works has been involved planning, department, building and safety. It's It's really been a a concerted effort to get Jefferson up and running, which i'm proud to say we had the grand opening on November first, and we open. 122 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:38,840 Carlos Baffigo: I'm sorry on November the fifth. We had a soft opening on November the first. So this is serving as a location for our youth and teen services, 123 00:14:41,900 --> 00:14:49,700 Carlos Baffigo: and hold some some collection from the central library as well. 124 00:14:50,600 --> 00:15:00,600 Carlos Baffigo: This is a look at the Jefferson campus, and how it's currently laid out. You see in yellow the library space. We have library storage there as well. There's a parking lot off to the bottom right, and we have the uh Red Swap. There is the fire in fire trading area, 125 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:17,720 Carlos Baffigo: and then the police department pals program is there as well 126 00:15:18,110 --> 00:15:19,800 Carlos Baffigo: uh 127 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:29,800 Carlos Baffigo: another component of this relocation uh project? Um or effort has been uh developing the Rose Palace of Uh building as a location to House, the Central Library's collection. 128 00:15:36,930 --> 00:15:43,880 Carlos Baffigo: We have approximately three hundred thousand items at the Central Library 129 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Carlos Baffigo: mit Ctl. And and this building would pretty much house the majority of that in early two thousand and twenty-three. So a few months from now we are expecting the delivery of the shelving that will go on the on the one hundred and fifty 130 00:15:59,660 --> 00:16:02,120 Carlos Baffigo: inside the warehouse there. 131 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:12,120 Carlos Baffigo: So it'll be filled with shelving. There's already existing office space for for staff, and eventually what it'll it'll become, is really a distribution point, not just to to house the Central Library location, but also to house uh the the the collection for the system 132 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:29,980 Carlos Baffigo: and and have it be a a distribution, a distribution point. There is also other storage space here, so furniture from the central library will be stored there as well. 133 00:16:34,770 --> 00:16:37,200 Carlos Baffigo: So again, 134 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,550 Carlos Baffigo: in regards to the big questions, how much will it cost? 135 00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:41,690 Carlos Baffigo: Well, 136 00:16:41,690 --> 00:16:51,690 Carlos Baffigo: it's really too premature to know at this point uh the design team really has to come on board, and they have to uh come up with design schemes based on their findings. Uh, from the testing the exploration 137 00:17:00,340 --> 00:17:10,340 Carlos Baffigo: and discovery phase which we haven't really entered into quite yet. So so how much? Well it it again! It's going to depend on their findings, and what the ultimate method is for any 138 00:17:13,550 --> 00:17:20,839 Carlos Baffigo: sort of retrofit, and also the scope of the retrofit, whether it's going to be a 139 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:23,839 Carlos Baffigo: ah, not not 140 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:36,680 Carlos Baffigo: ah involved as much as, or if it doesn't, involve the entire building, or if it's only certain areas that need to be retrofitted, that will, of course, determine the scope of the project. One, 141 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:50,200 Carlos Baffigo: however, I will have to say that uh, and i'm sure you already know. Uh, but we did receive a considerable amount of um of funds for the design and engineering work on the project. So uh, and this was from Assembly Member Chris Holden's office. 142 00:18:00,490 --> 00:18:10,490 Carlos Baffigo: They secured nine million dollars towards the design and engineering work. We're also exploring other opportunities as far as Grants and funding. 143 00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:23,750 Carlos Baffigo: How long will the construction take? Again, it's premature to know, because we don't have the entirety of the of a scope uh quite yet, and won't for for uh, some time, until at least the design work is is finished. 144 00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:42,330 Carlos Baffigo: One of the goals for the design firm coming on board is to come up with a cost estimate, and at that point in time we'll have a cost estimate, but also a timeline and a schedule for the project. So it's It's going to take a little bit of time, but that will be coming in the future. 145 00:18:54,290 --> 00:19:02,750 Carlos Baffigo: So in the meantime we obviously still have our other branches. We have ten branches in all, including Jefferson, and you see, Jefferson listed there. 146 00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:12,750 Carlos Baffigo: Ah, as has been mentioned before, and is is part of our system. There is a branch within one mile walking distance from anywhere in Pasadena, maybe, except for Center library, of course, because it's now closed, but pretty much anywhere else in Pasadena. You can reach a library in 147 00:19:21,930 --> 00:19:24,930 Carlos Baffigo: in short time. 148 00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:35,110 Carlos Baffigo: That is my presentation, or in that safe to the Central Library. I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have. 149 00:19:36,940 --> 00:19:41,790 Michael Stammer: Thank you very much, Carlos. Does anybody have some questions for him. 150 00:19:41,790 --> 00:19:50,240 Judith Blanton: Yeah, I think you said the Rose Palace. Is that used for the Rosebow Parade, when what? What will happen with the Rosebow parade when they need it. 151 00:19:50,240 --> 00:20:00,240 Carlos Baffigo: I'm glad you asked you this. Uh. So indeed the Rose Palace is, is uh is the place where the rose votes were constructed. I say were because about six years ago those operations actually were moved to Orwindale. So really, there's not much float uh construction taking place in the city of Pasadena at this time. 152 00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:23,780 Carlos Baffigo: Uh, so that building was uh once. Once those operations were moved to or Wendale, the city of 153 00:20:24,510 --> 00:20:34,510 Carlos Baffigo: Uh, it was the the Rose Palace Building was lease to a car storage company. Uh, once that lease ended, it gave us the opportunity to look at it as a as an option for for the central library location, but it's a very interesting building, because 154 00:20:41,210 --> 00:20:45,930 Carlos Baffigo: uh, even before it was used for the the rose floats. 155 00:20:45,930 --> 00:20:55,930 Carlos Baffigo: It was a concert hall and uh bands like led Zeppelin cream, and you know all these other nostalgic bands uh played there. So there's quite a bit of history to that building. Uh, I should also add, i'm sorry 156 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:13,600 Carlos Baffigo: I don't know about that, but they're sure we're a loud speakers. Um, yeah, uh the one other thing that I wanted to mention in regards to Rose Palace is that that building will not be open to the public because it will be a distribution point for for the system. 157 00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:34,470 Robert Karatsu: Okay, anybody else. I had a couple of questions. One first of all I I was. I didn't realize that that center part where all the bookstacks are so at what point? It was just completely open all the way up to the the ceiling. 158 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,150 Carlos Baffigo: Uh. So the original design 159 00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:56,150 Carlos Baffigo: uh was that that that area, indeed, was a room with a high vault and ceiling. So it was. Uh it's. It's not as high as the main hall, so it's probably about maybe thirty, thirty-five feet in height. 160 00:22:02,790 --> 00:22:08,610 Carlos Baffigo: But uh that entire area was a I believe it was an exhibition room, 161 00:22:08,610 --> 00:22:18,350 Carlos Baffigo: so they would exhibit part and so on. Um, So it was just the mean floor as you come in from the north entrance. It was the main, 162 00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:25,870 Carlos Baffigo: the main floor there, and you could see all the way up to to the to the ceiling. There was nothing there. 163 00:22:25,870 --> 00:22:35,870 Robert Karatsu: And then The second question I had was about the fact that it is a designated billing on the the National Historic Register. Does that really change things? As far as you know, what can be done as far as when they start working or looking at 164 00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:47,360 Robert Karatsu: um. You know modernizing or uh updating the actual building. 165 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:57,360 Carlos Baffigo: A lot of that depends on whether we end up receiving Federal funding. If there are Federal grants that we take uh advantage of, or or or use 166 00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:07,710 Carlos Baffigo: that may require us to go through a review process um at at at that level uh at this point in time we haven't identified any Federal funds uh yet not to say that we won't. But to answer your question, there would be an additional, 167 00:23:16,590 --> 00:23:26,590 Carlos Baffigo: or there would be additional steps and potentially some approval process. If uh, if if we choose to go that route. 168 00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:37,830 Michael Stammer: Okay, Carlos um. Towards the beginning of your presentation you showed us the difference between the reinforced brickwork and the unreinforced, and 169 00:23:39,850 --> 00:23:49,850 Michael Stammer: and that unreinforced picture how much space because it looked like it looked like If the space isn't that big, all you need to do about probably is, fill it with a concrete and rebar, or is there something more to within that? 170 00:23:54,500 --> 00:24:03,950 Carlos Baffigo: Well, uh, I I have to give a disclaimer, i'm not an engineer, and i'm not a designer or an architect. Um 171 00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:05,950 Carlos Baffigo: uh! In 172 00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:06,950 Carlos Baffigo: the 173 00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:10,950 Carlos Baffigo: the picture there was just to give you an idea for 174 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:20,950 Carlos Baffigo: some of the conditions that are found within the building. The space in between that that is shown on the picture. That space in between is approximately, I would say, eighteen inches, maybe fourteen to eighteen inches, 175 00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:33,530 Carlos Baffigo: something like that. So you've got uh. If you've been in the central library, there are the walls. The width of the walls is is is quite large. It's at least uh maybe thirty inch 176 00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:42,400 Carlos Baffigo: size walls. So then, each for for those walls you have an inner and an outer 177 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,490 Carlos Baffigo: uh uh, uh, uh brick. 178 00:24:45,490 --> 00:24:52,990 Carlos Baffigo: Uh, Well, let's see. How would you say it? Layers of brick, right? And then the space in between. 179 00:24:52,990 --> 00:25:00,830 Carlos Baffigo: So So that's what that was showing. Uh, but it's Yeah, it's approximately maybe fourteen inches, something like that in between. 180 00:25:00,830 --> 00:25:04,000 Michael Stammer: And and for the reinforced 181 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:11,740 Michael Stammer: drawing that you showed us that looked like it would be considerably less than fourteen inches between. Is that right? 182 00:25:11,740 --> 00:25:17,490 Carlos Baffigo: Again? It was just the drawing. It could be any any size. Really. 183 00:25:17,490 --> 00:25:25,990 Carlos Baffigo: Yeah, it's just that. The idea is that in order to make one unit out of the wall, you'd have to fill it with 184 00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:35,990 Carlos Baffigo: something, and that and that would be us steal, maybe um uh uh mortar or grout. Uh, but that's those are only. And again, this is a very simple um illustration of the conditions. So please 185 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:50,520 Carlos Baffigo: uh, that may not be true for the entire building, nor might it be the scheme that is selected for the building itself. It could be. Uh, there's so many other ways to retrofit a building. 186 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,510 Michael Stammer: Okay, that would seem to be one of the more simple ones, I guess. But 187 00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:59,890 Michael Stammer: but who knows? You know? 188 00:25:59,890 --> 00:26:08,110 Michael Stammer: Yeah, if if if it were left to that one, then it probably wouldn't take as much time as it's probably going to take, so i'm sure there's going to be more to it than that 189 00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:15,390 Carlos Baffigo: there are. There are. There are other components as well within that are deficient. So that's just an illustration. 190 00:26:15,390 --> 00:26:18,390 Carlos Baffigo: Okay, thank you. 191 00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:27,590 Carlos Baffigo: Thanks, Carlos, you're welcome 192 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,920 Michael Stammer: anybody else before before we end that presentation. 193 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:37,570 Michael Stammer: All right. Um, 194 00:26:37,570 --> 00:26:47,570 Priscilla Lam: Priscilla. I I assume that there's no public comment. Is that right? There's no attendees, but i'll just announce if anyone has a public comment in the Attendee section you can go ahead and raise your hand or press star nine and a mute yourself, and 195 00:26:53,670 --> 00:26:58,900 as there are no attendees, there are no public comments. 196 00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:02,240 Michael Stammer: Okay, thank you. Um. 197 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,700 Michael Stammer: This Everybody had a chance to review the minutes from last meeting, 198 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:07,970 Michael Stammer: and 199 00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:13,870 Michael Stammer: if so, does anybody have anything they like to change, or shall we approve them? 200 00:27:13,870 --> 00:27:17,500 Michael Stammer: Do I hear a motion? 201 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:24,500 Chelsea Dickerson: I'll have to uh approve the minutes from our last meeting. 202 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:26,450 Michael Stammer: Okay, Um, 203 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:37,360 Michael Stammer: it's about to say all the paper, but we're not together, or we Okay, so um. These indicate the iron a both Tackian. I do. 204 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,760 Michael Stammer: Chelsea. 205 00:27:42,910 --> 00:27:45,820 Michael Stammer: Did they dream? Come? Is she here? 206 00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:49,420 Priscilla Lam: No, she's absent tonight? 207 00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:52,380 Jordan Hutkin: Yes, 208 00:27:52,830 --> 00:27:55,830 Michael Stammer: Robert. Yes, Judith 209 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,480 Michael Stammer: Leslie, 210 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:05,680 Michael Stammer: yes, and i'll vote. Yes, so the minutes are approved. 211 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:28,420 Michael Stammer: It was supposed to be me, but I was ill, and I wasn't able to go. 212 00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:34,400 Michael Stammer: Does anybody have any reports uh regarding the associates meetings. Hastings? 213 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,940 Michael Stammer: Probably not, and probably not Lap and Teresa. Is that right, 214 00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:43,240 Michael Stammer: Leslie? Uh! Did you go to San Rafael? 215 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,270 Leslie Rosenthal: I did. 216 00:28:45,270 --> 00:28:55,270 Leslie Rosenthal: I did. I went to San Francisco and Linda visa, and they're both um celebrating the Uh. Yes, on L. Uh, when 217 00:28:55,430 --> 00:29:01,280 Leslie Rosenthal: and the Linda visa are having celebrated with champagne, So 218 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:11,280 Leslie Rosenthal: I I was invited. I I went there. I went to the San Rafael meeting um at four, and then I went to uh Linda Vista. I did not have you champagne because I was driving, and then I came back. Jump back on zoom. 219 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:27,100 Leslie Rosenthal: So they're the mostly um. All of them work pretty hard on, you know whether it was putting long signs out or stuffing envelope. So uh um! And they were all very enthusiastic. So 220 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,550 Michael Stammer: the Robert, if you look lately to see what the um 221 00:29:32,550 --> 00:29:42,550 Leslie Rosenthal: what the uh percentage was that we that we passed by the last time I looked in. I think it was maybe yesterday. It's getting close to eighty-four percent. Yeah, I was gonna say they were saying it was eighty or above eighty-two. But I I don't know I haven't looked so. It was a couple of times the last couple of times, I think, was eighty-four wasn't it 222 00:29:53,500 --> 00:30:03,500 Michael Stammer: so with so we're still in the same ballpark that's that's really good, considering the fact that economic times aren't what they were the 223 00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:13,380 Robert Karatsu: I mean, I I offhand. I think this is the highest percentage, so that this measure has ever received. I I don't think it's gotten this I in years past, but maybe when Tim gets back you can verify that. But you know, offend, I would say we're 224 00:30:20,380 --> 00:30:24,810 Robert Karatsu: it's over eighty-four percent that the one thing I I was looking at is it's 225 00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:34,810 Robert Karatsu: the measure in San or South Pasadena is a little bit higher, but you know Oh, well, 226 00:30:38,790 --> 00:30:44,140 Michael Stammer: well, i'm sure we'll find out tomorrow evening if we said about the record, 227 00:30:44,140 --> 00:30:51,950 Judith Blanton: it's nice. We have such support where there's a lot of how stress around libraries in other parts of the country. 228 00:30:51,950 --> 00:31:01,760 Michael Stammer: Yeah, yeah, no. The path passaging is wonderful with the library. So the the the population of the city really values them, and there's a lot to be valued. 229 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:09,550 Judith Blanton: So I've just been reading so many librarians you're quitting, and it's just been so stressful for them. 230 00:31:09,550 --> 00:31:14,540 Michael Stammer: Yeah, no. We don't seem to have that problem here which is a good thing. 231 00:31:14,540 --> 00:31:16,540 Michael Stammer: Um, 232 00:31:17,410 --> 00:31:18,740 Michael Stammer: let's see. 233 00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:22,340 Michael Stammer: Okay, does anybody have any announcements they'd like to make? 234 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:32,340 Priscilla Lam: I do. Um If one remembers. Last year there was the Pastina festival of Women authors event that was at the convention center that is coming up again for two thousand and twenty-three. It's gonna be at the passenger hilton this time. Uh, we have secured a table. I believe there are seven tickets right now available. We would like a response by the end of November. If you are interested in going. Um, Essentially, we have a table, and then 235 00:31:51,320 --> 00:32:01,320 Priscilla Lam: there are breakout sessions, so you can go and be part of um one of the authors panels, so I i'll send out the information after this, so you can look at the website. Look at who the authors are this year. It should be a really fun event, I think. Um. So please let me know. 236 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:19,750 Priscilla Lam: Reply to me and email. We just need to answer by the thirtieth. If you're interested and the date is Saturday, March eleventh, two thousand and twenty-three at the Pasadena Hilton. 237 00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:26,150 Priscilla Lam: That's it for me mike. 238 00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:29,130 Michael Stammer: Okay, Thank you. I'm just writing that down. 239 00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:30,440 Priscilla Lam: Sure. 240 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:36,320 Priscilla Lam: And i'll send out an email after this with the link to the event. 241 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,920 Michael Stammer: Okay, anybody else with any announcements. 242 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:50,750 Michael Stammer: All right. Um. Now we talked about uh the commission business regarding the associates meetings and the friends meetings. I know that that 243 00:32:50,750 --> 00:33:00,750 Michael Stammer: Tim made mentioned last time that we really need to share the wealth in terms of our attendance at the the friends of the library meetings. Uh, there's a meeting coming up next week, I believe. Isn't there. 244 00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:17,490 Priscilla Lam: I actually believe Adrienne had said. They're going most likely dark in November and December. I've not, 245 00:33:17,490 --> 00:33:21,710 Priscilla Lam: because next week I think next week is like 246 00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:31,310 Priscilla Lam: close to Thanksgiving, So I i'm not sure. Yeah, it's really close to Thanksgiving. 247 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,660 Priscilla Lam: Um. 248 00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:40,870 Priscilla Lam: And i'm not sure if it's happening for December I haven't heard from Adrienne. 249 00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:50,870 Michael Stammer: Yeah, December's meeting I think would be on the twenty-seven, and probably half the people won't be around at that time. If they are, they will be exchanging gifts for returning gifts. Um, Maybe we could take a volunteer for the January one which would be the twenty-five. Okay, Would anybody like to volunteer for that meeting 250 00:34:01,650 --> 00:34:05,690 Michael Stammer: I can attend that meeting? 251 00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:09,290 Michael Stammer: Oh, Great, Thank you. 252 00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:12,200 Michael Stammer: Okay. And 253 00:34:12,570 --> 00:34:16,699 Chelsea Dickerson: and do we sometimes go to our countries in December? 254 00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:26,699 Michael Stammer: Yeah, we're going to talk about that. We'll. We'll adjourn um. We'll vote to basically just adjourn until January, which cancels out 255 00:34:31,929 --> 00:34:41,790 Priscilla Lam: December, and then i'll send out the cancellation. So our our next commission meeting would be on January eighteenth. But we'll we'll go around the room. So we have that 256 00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:43,739 Priscilla Lam: as a vote. 257 00:34:43,739 --> 00:34:49,190 Michael Stammer: Okay. And I believe uh that, the City Council. 258 00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:57,260 Michael Stammer: I know that they had. They wanted us to zoom this month, but I think that they said starting after this month, which in our case would 259 00:34:57,260 --> 00:35:04,490 Michael Stammer: likely be in January uh it looks like. We'll be meeting in person that time. 260 00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:09,360 Michael Stammer: So that'll be good. It'll be nice to meet in person for a change. 261 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,560 Michael Stammer: Um! Was that confirmed Carlos. 262 00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:23,940 Carlos Baffigo: So at at At this point City Council has not made a decision on whether to meet in person or not. I believe that's um it's still pending, so it's still a question, mark. 263 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:36,160 Michael Stammer: I didn't know if it was official or not. But I i'd heard that that they said that um it's up to each individual organization that they they may continue to meet via Zoom because a couple of them are uncomfortable meeting in person. But I think that I I thought that they said that uh 264 00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:49,260 Michael Stammer: that it's going to be. They're going to leave it in the hands of each individual 265 00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:52,970 Michael Stammer: organization, or me, or commission, or whatever. 266 00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:57,180 Carlos Baffigo: Yeah, we can. We can certainly get additional clarification on that. Uh, and 267 00:35:57,180 --> 00:35:59,100 Carlos Baffigo: and get back to you. 268 00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:03,510 Priscilla Lam: We'll we'll meet January eighteenth, and i'll 269 00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:07,700 Priscilla Lam: send out the details regarding that. As soon as we 270 00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,700 Michael Stammer: get additional information, 271 00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:14,410 Michael Stammer: do we need to? 272 00:36:14,410 --> 00:36:16,420 Priscilla Lam: Um. If we're 273 00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:20,540 Priscilla Lam: ready to adjourn, will do. We could do that at the end. 274 00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:27,800 Michael Stammer: Okay, Well, does anybody have anything that they'd like to add, Because I think we've pretty much covered the agenda. 275 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:37,800 Robert Karatsu: I I forgot to mention one one thing about the announcement is day with that last Thursday that the Lamanda Park, the Pocket park open, 276 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,200 Robert Karatsu: and it's 277 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:49,200 Robert Karatsu: amazing. I I mean the the kids love it, and it's just if you're familiar with the the that in the park area there are just a lot of apartments there that really don't have any kind of green space, or backyards or places to play. And so I I really think that the um the park at 278 00:36:56,610 --> 00:37:06,610 Robert Karatsu: Lamanda, which is finally it's a real part. Now, Um is gonna feel a real um need in that part of uh Pasadena with which I have a bill, you know, a a few blocks from. So i'm real happy that it finally got open. So you know, thanks to the city and 279 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:24,880 Robert Karatsu: um the public Works people for putting in um a lot of work, and it's a nice par if you're ever in the area, stop by, because it really will add, you know, just another nice level 280 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:34,850 Robert Karatsu: thing for the community, and also for the library as well, just being right there and having a park in its own backyard. 281 00:37:34,850 --> 00:37:44,850 Michael Stammer: Well, thanks for mentioning that, Robert. I I know that I had planned on going to the to the opening of that, and and I've just been so tied up with some other things. Recently. I haven't had a chance to, but i'll take a ride by tomorrow the next day and see how it is. 282 00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:52,720 Michael Stammer: Okay, 283 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:56,140 Michael Stammer: Any anything else before we before we 284 00:37:56,140 --> 00:38:00,940 Michael Stammer: talk about adjoining until January eighteenth. 285 00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:05,640 Michael Stammer: All right. In that case, 286 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:15,640 Michael Stammer: let's uh let's vote on that, or do we? Once again? I'm not sure. Generally we vote on going dark for a month, but if if you don't think it's necessary, Priscilla, then we won't. 287 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,590 Priscilla Lam: Um I We usually like plan for this, so 288 00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:30,520 Priscilla Lam: it it's fine, unless the Commission says says otherwise we'll leave it up to the to the floor. 289 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:37,630 Michael Stammer: Does anybody have any objections to going dark at Christmas. 290 00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:45,430 Michael Stammer: In that case, um. We'll adjourn the meeting until January eighteenth. 291 00:38:46,810 --> 00:38:48,160 Okay, 292 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,160 Michael Stammer: Okay, Thanks. Everybody.