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recording in progress.

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Thank you, mayor and council. We are

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live. Thank you. Um, welcome everyone to

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the uh September 8th, 2025 meeting of

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the passing of city council. Um, let me

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first start by apologizing on behalf of

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the council for uh uh our long close

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session that's delayed this meeting. Um

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but we had some urgent and important

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matters uh in close session that needed

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the council's attention. Um so my

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apologies on behalf of the council. The

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we'll start with the calling of role.

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Council member Cole

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present.

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Council member Hampton

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blessed and honored to be here.

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Council member Jones

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here.

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Council member Lion

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here.

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Council member Madison

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here.

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Council member Massuda

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here.

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Vice Mayor Rivas

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here.

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Mayor Gordo

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here. There's a quorum in the council

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president.

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Okay. We have a couple of ceremonial

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Pledge of allegiance.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Um, Mr. Hampton, will you

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lead us in the pledge of allegiance?

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Everyone rise. Right hand over your

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heart. Ready? Again.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. You may be seated.

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Um, so as I was saying, we have uh two

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ceremonial matters. The first uh I'll

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ask uh Chief Harris to step up and uh

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introduce our new sergeant-at-arms.

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Uh as we thank our outgoing

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sergeant-at-arms, uh Jason Van Heck for

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her service as a

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's going to be

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uh the division commander for field

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operations uh commander Sean Dawkins

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who's going to make that introduction.

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Great. Thank you, Chief. Commander,

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welcome.

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Thank you, mayor. Uh good evening,

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mayor, vice mayor, council members, city

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staff, uh Sergeant Rich Padilla. Could

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you please join me up here?

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Uh this evening, I have the pleasure of

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introducing to you your new uh

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sergeant-at-arms for city council. I'll

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give you a quick brief uh bio on

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Sergeant Padilla. Richard Padilla has

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been with the Pacian Police Department

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for 27 years. He joined the department

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after graduating from the University of

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Leverne with a bachelor's degree of

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criminology. As an officer, Richard was

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assigned to the following sections:

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patrol, the special investigation

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section, vice narcotics, patrol as a

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field training officer. He was my field

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training officer a couple years back.

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And the neighborhood action team as a

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bicycle officer. As a corporal, he was

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assigned to patrol and then detectives

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as a res residential burglary

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investigator. In 2014, he was promoted

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to sergeant. As sergeant, he supervised

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patrol, the field training program, the

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hope team, park safety, and the K-9

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unit. In 2018, he reestablished the

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neighborhood action team, a mark bicycle

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unit specializing in quality of life

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issues. In 2020, he was given the

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opportunity to supervise the K9 unit on

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a full-time basis. He currently serves

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as a dual a dual role as both a canine

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supervisor and a canine handler. His

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partner Peppa is a six-year-old Belgian

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Malawa trained to detect explosives and

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firearms. Together, they have worked

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four Roseb seasons ensuring the safety

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and security of both the Roseb and the

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Rose Parade. In 2018, Sergeant Padilla

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was recognized as a police as police

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officer of the year by the Pasadena

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Scottish right. He's a post-certified

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bicycle instructor, postk9ine evaluator,

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and a canine subject matter expert. In

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his spare time, he enjoys cheering for

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his favorite baseball team, the Dodgers.

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And spending time with his wife Diana,

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and their two children, Isabella, a

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college student, and Gavin, a high

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school student. And I would be rem

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remiss if I didn't add um that recently

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uh last week, Chief Harris uh promoted

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Sergeant Padilla to acting lieutenant

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where he'll step into that role as one

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of the watch commanders in patrol in two

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weeks from today on September 22nd while

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Lieutenant Quay is attending the FBI

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National Academy. So he'll be doing that

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for about three months with us. Uh in

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addition to his roles here, he'll still

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be with with all of you every Monday

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night for city council. I'll let uh Rich

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Padilla come up and say a few words.

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Thank you.

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Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome.

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I'd just like to thank everyone for the

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opportunity to be here and I'm looking

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forward to learning more about the uh

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what the city council does and and and

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more about these meetings and and how it

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helps out every other department other

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than the police department in our city.

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So, thank you for the opportunity once

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again.

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Do we get the dog?

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she's out in the car right now.

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bring her in.

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Thank you and welcome.

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Uh next, uh we have an announcement uh

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and presentation uh related to the

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Hispanic and Latino Heritage Month

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celebrations. I'll ask uh Pam Cantero

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and uh Bana Deakuba and Lisa Barios to

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step forward.

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Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and

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council members. Um, I'm Vana de Lauba.

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Uh, I am the co-chair of the Pasino

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Latino Heritage Parade and Festival

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Committee. My co-chair, my colleios

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isn't able to join us this evening.

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She's ill. Lisa, we hope you're feeling

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better really soon. Um, so I'm here also

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with my colleague Pam Canter, um, from

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PRCS to talk about this year's Latino

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Heritage Month and the celebrations that

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we've got underway.

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This year has been a difficult year for

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our committee um, as it has been for our

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Latino community here in Pasadena. And

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this morning's Supreme Court ruling

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allowing detentions based on race,

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language, and simply where a person

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works wasn't only troubling.

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It is a step backwards

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for justice in our nation. Seeing the

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ICE raids and the impact that they have

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had in our community has been difficult,

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troubling, heartbreaking, heartbreaking

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to see the impact on our kids.

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personally difficult for many of us as

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many of us can absolutely connect with

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those families. Um and yet we know the

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strength of our Pasadena community and

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our strength is really deep and it comes

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from the diversity that we have and from

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the hardworking families, our

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hardworking immigrant families um who

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are here and who help make our community

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as great and as strong as it is.

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So, it is that belief that led to our

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theme for this year's Latino Heritage

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Celebration,

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a proud past and a hopeful future. And

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after much discussion with our partners

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and others out in the community, our

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committee came to a really difficult

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decision, but one that reflects both our

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compassion and our responsibility. This

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year we are foregoing the parade,

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but we are expanding the Latino Heritage

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Festival in front of Pasadena City Hall

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and we're going to offer many community

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center programming, education, things

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that uplift our community, things that

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are fun, dancing, music. Um, it's going

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to be in the evening to make it more

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comfortable for our neighbors to come

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out and to celebrate and for you all to

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uh Mayor, now that we've seen you

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dancing.

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Exactly. There you go. Come out and and

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uh and and and join us and join the

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Latino community, your community, uh in

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this celebration because even though

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times are really heavy, the fear is

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real. There is a lot to celebrate. The

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strength that we have in our community,

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the beauty of our community is worth

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celebrating. And so we hope that you

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will join us all on that evening. During

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the month of Latino Heritage, we do have

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a variety of other activities that are

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there's educational things, fun things

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for kids, for seniors, for adults, um,

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something for everyone. And I can, uh,

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I'll have my colleague Pam talk a little

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bit more about that.

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Good evening. Um, just like Vana said,

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our goal is to bring joy into our

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community. Um, we're going to be having

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a series of events or smaller events,

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workshops. We're having Fiesta Spatrias

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September 19th at Villa Park from 5 to

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9:00. We're having the movie Elio at

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Madison Elementary. Um, Friday,

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September 26th, we're having a bandulse

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or a koncha making class at Villa Park

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on October 4th. Um, we're having Panawa

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Frescas Villa Park October 18th and

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we're going to be celebrating Day of the

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Dead October 24th. Hopefully you can

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join us for one of those events.

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Next, uh, Council Member Jones,

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uh, has an adjourn memory.

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Thanks, Mayor. Uh, I have two

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adjournments. The first one is for

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Reverend Dr. Joan Taylor. She was a

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Reverend at First Amy Pastina, born and

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raised in the city of Pastina, was a

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resident of Mr. Hampton's district, and

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she served our community um, throughout

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her life. And so I think it it's it's an

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honor for her family, at least has been

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communicated to me, that we adjourn in

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her honor, the city council and the city

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that she was born and raised in. And

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then the second adjournment is Mr.

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William Larry Edson. Um similar story,

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born and raised in city of Pasadena, I

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believe at St. Luke's Hospital. He uh

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grew up in Pasadena, attended John Mir

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High School. Uh he was the vice

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president of Union Bank of California.

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together they built a multifamily

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residential housing portfolio in the

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city of Pasadena and he also was deeply

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committed to civic and community life.

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He was engaged in his church, engaged as

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the board of director for LA athletic

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club and he was also um on the board of

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friends of Cleveland Elementary and

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supported Door of Hope and also

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supported Steam Coders Community

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Partners and just was a very big

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advocate for the city of Pastina and its

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residents.

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Thank you, Mr. Jones. Um I and I know

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I'm joined by all of my colleagues here.

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Uh ask that we um adjourn in memory of

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Nina Chsky, a longtime resident envi

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environmental advocate. Um in Nenah's

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loss, passing loss, one of its fiercest

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and most passionate advocates. Uh she

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was an attorney, an extraordinarily

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intelligent leader, a tireless volunteer

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uh and pro poured herself into

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protecting the Aoyo, championing uh

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neighborhoods uh and preserving Pasio's

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uh historic beauty and legacy. Uh for

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decades she was a constant presence in

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our community and in our city council

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chambers, always speaking up for for

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preservation, uh thoughtful

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architecture, design, planning,

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importantly diversity, uh and improving

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the quality of life for all of us who

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call Passina home. Um, and she was a

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formal advocate, always prepared, uh,

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always principled, uh, and never about,

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uh, making and never shy about making

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her opinion known. Um, in fact, some

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would say, uh, you know, she was she

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could be a bit stubborn. Uh, and I would

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say, and thank goodness for that

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because, uh, she always caused us to

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think differently. uh and because of

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that more deeply and we made better

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decisions uh as a city ca as a city

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council and as a and as a city uh she

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leaves behind a legacy of service, civic

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pride and spirited leadership. Uh and so

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on behalf of all of us uh and on behalf

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of all residents of Pasadena

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uh I want to say that Nina is a

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tremendous loss uh but a tremendous

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contributor and leaves behind a legacy

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of great contributions. I think we can

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find her fingerprint on virtually every

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important decisions uh in the last 30 to

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40 years in this city. Um, you know, on

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a personal level, uh, I

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didn't always have a good relationship

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with Nenah. Uh, in fact, when I was, uh,

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um, a member of the RBOC and we were

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going through the renovation project,

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uh, Nina, you'll recall Mr. Madison and

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others made it a habit to show up at

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RBOC meetings and city council meetings

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and asked for my resignation.

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Um

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and she did so and she meant it. Um but

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you know like any other good person um

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she gave me a chance uh and she gave me

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a chance uh to prove myself and one day

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I got a call just over 5 years ago from

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uh her and Mick Hansen saying I'd you

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know like to invite you to breakfast.

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We've never sat down.

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And so I thought to myself, well, should

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I bring a taster? Um, but no, you know,

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I showed up at Brookside Park uh at

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Brookside uh clubhouse. Um, and before I

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was able to sit down, as I was sitting

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down, she points at me and says, "I

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never thought I'd agree with you on

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anything,

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but you should be our next mayor." and

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she's the person who really got me

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thinking about that. Um, you know,

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that's

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uh a very uh important moment for me uh

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and showed a lot about her and her

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willingness to to give people a chance

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uh and give this city a chance. And so

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on behalf of all of us, I'd like to say

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thank you, Nina Chsky, um, for all of

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your contributions.

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Mr. Madison,

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thank you, Mayor. I um, very well said,

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and I don't want to prolong the evening,

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but I um, this was a major loss for

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Pasadena, and I, too, have many arrows

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in my back from Nenah over the years.

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Um, but actually that's even unfair

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because Nina wouldn't stab you in the

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back. She would tell you to your face

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when she thought you were wrong

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right here.

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And uh and Larry Wilson put it so well

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in his piece that um she would come to

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counsel and end up filling out cards on

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things that she hadn't intended to speak

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on and and she would begin those remarks

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with. I wasn't going to speak on this,

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but I have to tell you, um, but we need

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people like Nenah, uh, who are

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dedicated, who care, uh, who do what

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they say they're going to do, who show

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up, you know, for young people, uh, you

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will find that when you do what you say

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you're going to do and you show up, that

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that separates you sadly from most of

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the world in terms of uh, integrity and

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and being there and uh you know Nina was

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a pioneer. She was um became a lawyer in

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1973 and it's hard to believe cuz it's

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seems you know forever ago and also not

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that long ago it was very difficult to

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be a female attorney in 1973. Those were

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the days when um not too far after

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people like Justice Sandra Day Okconor

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were offered uh legal secretary jobs

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instead of um the job that the number

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three person in her class in the case of

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Okconor should have received at law

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firms. The the sexism was still rampant

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in the profession and she proudly became

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an attorney and was a great lawyer. Um

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and her her intellect was just

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unwavering. She had paid attention to

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detail. She read everything. She studied

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everything. We need people like that in

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the in our community to keep us on our

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toes and to keep us all moving in the

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right direction. In April, she stepped

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away from the LVAA board and uh was I I

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joke that she was claimed as a free

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agent by the WP who uh put her on their

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board and assigned her to some u a

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mandate, but she'd been on the LVA board

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for as long as I could remember for

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decades and been the president of it for

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for many many years. And I am so

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thankful that we collectively at a at a

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town hall about the fires that we had in

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April, we um honored Nenah and thanked

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her for her her decades of service. Even

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that was painful though because she

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insisted we go to her home, pick her up,

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drive her to the event, drive her home,

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and she didn't really know what was

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going to happen. But we presented her

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with a certificate and some flowers and

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and she was pleased as punch uh because

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her efforts weren't often enough. um

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recognized. So, uh her memorial is

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pending and I think I'll be involved in

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that in some way, shape or form along

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with the many many other friends she has

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in the in the community. And um you

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know, very very grateful and so tragic

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that she died in a in a house fire that

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um should be prevented, you know, these

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days with technology and our fire

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department was there instantly. But the

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home was a it's the so-called butterfly

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house on Lancaster, wood and glass

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basically. And so it it was u you know a

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very rapid confflration and um anyway uh

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thank you mayor and I hope uh we will

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adjourn in in Nina's memory and honor.

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Thank you.

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And you know, uh I I'm confident that

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there will be an opportunity for an

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appropriate

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uh

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dedication to recognize Nenah's

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contributions and uh and uh fingerprint

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in every part of our city. Um a lasting

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contribution. Mr. Mr. Hampton,

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I appreciate everything that everyone

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has said um you know about Mrs. Taylor,

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u Mr. Edson and Miss Chsky. I know that

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there are people watching this right now

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and I know that there's some young

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people actually watching this because um

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there's a high school um student that

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reached out to me about watching a city

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council meeting. I said you could look

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at them on YouTube now. By the way, you

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can watch this on YouTube. Um,

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as we talk about these individuals, I

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mean, they were amazing people in our

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community. They were bricks of roads

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that have been paved um that have been

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paved by people before them, but they

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kept on moving forward. I would just

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remind everyone in this room to not be

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the problem, but be the person who

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solves the problem. And these

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individuals are all individuals who

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solve problems. They didn't bring us

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problems. they they said this could be a

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problem and here's how you can fix it.

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And so I just want to um say that I

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appreciate knowing all three of these

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individuals and as a silent second um to

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adjourning in their their memory tonight

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um they will never be forgotten in this

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community. Thank you.

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Well said, Mr. Hampton. Thank you.

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Okay. Um

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it's uh we'll move on now with with our

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agenda. Um well, we'll start with public

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comment for matters not on the agenda.

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Um and before we

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start that, let me just say that uh the

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council will recall that earlier this

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year um uh a number of council members

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including Mr. Cole and um well, no, Mr.

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Cole and a few others, Mr. line others

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um requested the issue of uh an ethical

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investment policy. I think Mr. Cole

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raised it at finance committee initially

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uh that it come to finance committee. Um

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the

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because the matter has been delayed uh

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first by the budget and then other

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urgent items. Uh, I've conferred with

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council member Cole to and to suggest

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that this be referred directly to the

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fire and police and pension fund um the

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issue of divestment. Um, and so

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um and well the issue of an investment

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policy I should say. Um and he is now a

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member of that board uh and in a

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position to ask that the matter be

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agendaized for a discussion. um and he

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will be requesting a special meeting of

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the board to do so. Um and that's the

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body that has jurisdiction. This should

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not be thought of as you know some sort

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of punt because

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we have to follow our own rules and

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jurisdiction on these matters is with

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that board. Um

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and that there will be an opportunity

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there to uh give public comment. uh and

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I look forward to a productive

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discussion um by that board.

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So with that, um, Mayor was one of the

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council members and before we had the

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public, I don't need the credit or

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anything, but I I I do definitely want

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to make sure that we have a I mean,

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because we're going to get this more and

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more and more and more.

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I mean, the way our world is shifting,

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things are changing. Um, I think there

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should be a policy that we have across

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the board that just says, you know what,

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if we find an organization that has or

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anyone that has um, you know, not

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cause war crimes, etc. I have no idea. I

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mean, that's what the the great minds of

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attorneys are to to think about those,

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but um that we are not investing in um

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any businesses that are supporting uh

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atrocities like what's happening in

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Gaza.

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[Applause]

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I I appreciate that, but I got ADHD and

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that messes up my train of thought. So,

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at least my wife tells me I got it.

539
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,799
could be a long list.

540
00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:20,799
Okay. Um

541
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,720
so let's uh

542
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,320
so let's move on uh because we have a

543
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,920
long agenda with matters agendaized. Um

544
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:35,390
uh we're going to suggest one minute uh

545
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:36,960
per speaker for matters not on the

546
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,840
agenda. If you wish to have more time,

547
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,280
um, please state so and then at the end

548
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,880
of the agenda, we'll give you more time.

549
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,200
Uh, but I think it's fair to say to

550
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,400
let's we're going to try and get as many

551
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,120
people in as we can, one minute. Uh,

552
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,760
please respect that. Uh, and if you want

553
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,200
more time, we invite you to allow us to

554
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,360
conduct the city's business. Uh, address

555
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,720
matters on the agenda and then come

556
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,159
back.

557
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:06,800
Okay. with that

558
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,480
uh Fawaz al El Mar Masri followed by

559
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,840
Hadab Tarifi then Lucinda Wills then

560
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,400
Olden Denim I'll ring a bell when

561
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,400
there's 30 seconds

562
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,800
and we have over 20 cards and so if

563
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:22,640
21

564
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,960
21 so if you if you hear your name

565
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,360
please step up and form a line in the

566
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,640
center aisle here

567
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,640
Mr. mayors, council members, dear

568
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,120
community, respected members, and I read

569
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:36,799
their names of the children they were

570
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,799
killed in Gaza.

571
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
Muhammad

572
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,279
Muhammad basal

573
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,320
Hamdan

574
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,320
Radi Hamdan Shannon

575
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,360
Muhammad Mustafa Muhammad Abu Mas Ali

576
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,520
Khali

577
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,520
Elen Ahmed Abdarimi

578
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,840
Sal

579
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,400
Yousef Abu

580
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,960
sir your time is expired.

581
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:35,679
I'm sorry.

582
00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:37,360
Your time is expired.

583
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:38,320
Thank you for your time.

584
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,640
Thank you. Hab Tarifi followed by

585
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,720
Lucinda Wills followed by Olden Denim

586
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,800
then Alen Shay.

587
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,400
Greetings of peace everyone. Um, last

588
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,800
time I left sad and extremely upset

589
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,800
after I shared the picture and the name

590
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,559
of my niece who was killed just a few

591
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:56,400
days earlier.

592
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,799
None of you showed empathy, sympathy, or

593
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,520
even one word of condolences after

594
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,760
giving us almost an hour giving

595
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,600
condolences and eulogy about the

596
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,840
previous mayor. So, just to let you

597
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,840
know, but you're not getting rid of me

598
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,480
so easily. I am back and all the names

599
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,159
that are going to be read about these

600
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:16,559
kids who have been killed. Uh I'm going

601
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:17,919
to ask I'm going to share a few

602
00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:19,919
questions that these kids have been

603
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:23,520
asking instead of asking about what gift

604
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,120
uh they're going to get. All these

605
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,960
questions are about death after we die.

606
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,320
Will I hear your voice? When I die, will

607
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,480
they put me in a grave with my mom and

608
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,800
dad? When it rains, will we drown in the

609
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,600
tent?

610
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,240
When they bomb us in the tent, will we

611
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,800
burn?

612
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,919
If they bombed someone while I was

613
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:47,360
walking next to him,

614
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,760
Mr. Time is expired.

615
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,520
I hope these questions touch your heart

616
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,799
because they broke mine.

617
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:53,440
Thank you, ma'am.

618
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,760
Lucinda Wills, followed by Olden Denim,

619
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,760
followed by Alan Shay, then Randall Hen

620
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,760
Lamb.

621
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,440
Dr. Ahmed Sam is a surgeon with Doctors

622
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,360
Without Borders. This is a story in in

623
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,200
his words, edited to fit our short time

624
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,120
limit. The last thing I heard was the

625
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,400
voice of my children playing. Then

626
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,320
everything went black. When I opened my

627
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,840
eyes, I thought I'd gone blind. I could

628
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,360
no longer hear them. I checked to see if

629
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,679
my wife was alive. Her back and legs

630
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,440
were fractured, but she was alive. I

631
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,960
turned on my phone flashlight to find

632
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,480
the children. My three-year-old

633
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,919
daughter, Julia, was calling to me from

634
00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:25,919
beneath the rubble. I carried her to a

635
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:27,279
safe place and went back for my second

636
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,520
son, Kareem. He had severe head trauma.

637
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,960
When I brought them to the hospital, I

638
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,400
refused to let my colleagues deal with

639
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,240
their injuries. I wanted them to feel

640
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,919
our dad is taking care of us. Maybe he's

641
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:38,159
still our hero. We're doing okay now, I

642
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:39,840
guess. My wife is in a wheelchair now.

643
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,360
She can't walk, so I'm everyone's

644
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,120
caregiver. The children's wounds are

645
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,720
healing slowly, but they cannot talk or

646
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,200
eat well. I'm trying to keep myself

647
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,720
together, so they can still see me as

648
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,640
their hero. But no, I'm not strong now.

649
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,800
There's so much fear that they will

650
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,000
never recover. If there's another strike

651
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,520
near us, they will lose their mind. And

652
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,390
I have so much guilt because I'm the

653
00:27:57,390 --> 00:27:59,390
reason we stayed. We had a chance to

654
00:27:59,390 --> 00:28:01,390
leave Gaza a year ago. I refused because

655
00:28:01,390 --> 00:28:02,799
I love my people and my patients, but I

656
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:04,880
regret it now. We used to be a beautiful

657
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,960
family, but now I don't know.

658
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,720
Your time is expired. Sorry.

659
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,120
Um,

660
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,679
Olden Denim, followed by Alan Sheay,

661
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:14,559
then Randall Hein Lamb, then Mrs. Mrs.

662
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:15,440
Jane.

663
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,799
I'm no stranger to everyone here. And

664
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:17,440
everyone know

665
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,440
if everyone will form a line whose name

666
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,880
was called, please.

667
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,600
Excuse you.

668
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,390
I think I'm sorry, M.

669
00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:24,559
Everyone knows my name. Everyone I'm no

670
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:25,600
stranger here. And everyone knows what

671
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,279
I'm here about. I came here a few years

672
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,440
ago trying to get some justice. All I

673
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,279
had was the truth in my hand telling. I

674
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,390
put the truth on the table, but I've

675
00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:36,000
seen this truth being put down by lies.

676
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,600
I've seen police officers say that

677
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,279
Anthony Mlan had a gun in his hand. I've

678
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:40,799
seen nobody look at the footage long

679
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,480
enough to know that he didn't have a gun

680
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,159
in his hand. He had a cell phone in his

681
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:45,919
left hand. And the only other and the

682
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:47,200
other thing that I got to say because I

683
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,440
know I don't have much time is his dying

684
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,880
declaration was after being asked where

685
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,880
was his gun, he said his dying

686
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,880
declaration, I don't have one.

687
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Thank you, Mr. Sheay.

688
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:07,760
First of all, I'd like to thank uh

689
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,760
Commission, I mean, council member

690
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,919
Hampton. I think he said the most poetic

691
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:13,919
thing tonight, and that is being a

692
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:17,120
problem solver. I would hope that the

693
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,760
councilman as the chair of the public

694
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,480
safety indicate whether we're going to

695
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,960
close out our request to have a properly

696
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,840
held agenda item instead of continuing

697
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,679
to ask that we get it done correctly. It

698
00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:37,440
was requested that we have it heard and

699
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,520
discussed. The city attorney brought

700
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,800
forth the law which was not complied

701
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,520
with by the police officers. So if it

702
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,880
doesn't stop here, we're going to take

703
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,360
it to the oversight commission and keep

704
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,520
putting it forth. So we are asking that

705
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,800
you put an end to it now and either make

706
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,480
a declaration that it is ended now.

707
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,240
You're not going to move forward and

708
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,840
then we'll take it to another level or

709
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,720
we get it corrected here and call it

710
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,000
closure. Thank you.

711
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,360
Thank you, Mr. Ch.

712
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,399
Randall Hin Lamb followed by Mrs. Jane

713
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:10,799
Alara followed by Denellia

714
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,000
Hin Lamb and then Bailey Payne. Please

715
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,320
make your way forward.

716
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,640
Thank you very much. Uh, Mr. Mayor, I

717
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,799
want to say that your words about Nenina

718
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,799
were very moving and I hope you will

719
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:26,720
remember that as we continue to be

720
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,640
stubborn, I won't call for your

721
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440
resignation here today, but as we move

722
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,120
stubborn,

723
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,360
uh, these are names of children who

724
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,640
never reached their third month of life

725
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,520
who were killed in Gaza. Shima Nabil

726
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,390
al-Aam

727
00:30:43,390 --> 00:30:46,639
Samar Muhammad Abu Hind Khaled Jajou

728
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,120
Mariam Su Abed Mahmud Abdullah Hammad

729
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Sullean Jabra Kinawi Habiba Amar

730
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,560
Al-Srafi Samir Muhammad Tamraz Juri Anas

731
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:04,919
Shamiya Alma Adnan Jamal Wam

732
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Salah Salam Abdullah Riyad als

733
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,120
Rabba al-Hhat

734
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,440
Abdel Rahman Hammuda Bilal Kam.

735
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Thank you.

736
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,679
Thank you very much.

737
00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:26,790
Mrs. Jane Al Far.

738
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,440
Okay. Thank you.

739
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440
Uh Daniela Hinlam

740
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:31,520
follow

741
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,880
then Bailey Payne. Then Paul then Simon

742
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Gibbons.

743
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,240
Hi, I'm Don Heinlam, resident in

744
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,240
Pasadena, District 5.

745
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:46,480
I was gutted today to hear of yet

746
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,390
another act of violence, this time in

747
00:31:49,390 --> 00:31:51,390
Jerusalem.

748
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,390
Mainstream media across our country will

749
00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:57,919
cover this act of violence. We'll know

750
00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:01,390
their names. We'll know all about them.

751
00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:04,800
We'll be able to recite their names.

752
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,800
Unlike the perhaps 66,000

753
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,640
officially declared dead in Gaza, of

754
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,840
whom we know very few of their names.

755
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,640
The names I read today are all babies

756
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,440
two months old who have died and been

757
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,440
killed in Gaza.

758
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,240
Aria Saber Salah Abua

759
00:32:27,390 --> 00:32:30,639
Bisan Ibraim Muhammad al- Malaha Malak

760
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Ahmed Maher Abuida

761
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:37,519
Gaser Nabil Nafal Mustafa Muhammad Farid

762
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,880
Kandil Aid Hussein Muhammad Abuhamad

763
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:43,919
thank you

764
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:45,519
may rest in peace

765
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,159
Bailey Payne followed by Paul by by

766
00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:51,759
Simon Gibbons then Dr. Treasure Shepard.

767
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,960
Good evening, council and mayor. I

768
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,279
wanted to share a story to explain why I

769
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:58,799
will keep showing up at city council

770
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,640
meetings advocating for divestment from

771
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,400
the genocide in Palestine.

772
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,200
The Red Crescent gets a phone call from

773
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440
a 15-year-old girl in a car in distress,

774
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,600
begging for help. Her family is trying

775
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,960
to flee, but they're surrounded by

776
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,240
Israeli tanks in Gaza. Then shrieks,

777
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,559
rounds of rapid fire, and then no more

778
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,440
voice of a 15-year-old girl. The only

779
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,480
voice left was that of Hend Rajab, the

780
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,360
six-year-old girl with the flower crown.

781
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,200
She says the tank is right next to her.

782
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,200
She says it's dark and she's scared. She

783
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,279
begs for the operator to come rescue

784
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,600
her. The operator stayed on the phone

785
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,240
with her for hours, reciting the Quran

786
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,919
while two paramedics are trying to find

787
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:40,720
her in an ambulance. Then the call goes

788
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,519
silent. The Israeli tank killed the two

789
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:45,840
paramedics and the ambulance and hind

790
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Rajab, the six-year-old girl with the

791
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,600
flower crown.

792
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,800
That tank was paid by my tax dollars and

793
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,760
that haunts me.

794
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,960
So, I will continue to show up

795
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,120
differently. Thank you, Paul, followed

796
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,519
by Simon Given, then Dr. Treasure

797
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:03,519
Shepard, then Chelsea.

798
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,790
Uh, good evening, Mr. Mayor. Council

799
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:09,919
like to read the names of one-year-old

800
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:13,440
children killed in Gaza. Eileen Ahmed

801
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,440
Abdel Muti Alami

802
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,960
Leanne Bilal Shabban Al-Husami

803
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:27,720
Masa Allah Alin Ali Uda

804
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:41,240
Talia Matasum Samir Mosp Okay.

805
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Malak Yaser Muhammad Doud

806
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Zena Fadi Muhammad Hajazi

807
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Masa Ahmed Paranaser

808
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,320
Mera Mahmud Fadi Amida

809
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,960
Juman Osama

810
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,359
Sir your time is expired.

811
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:11,680
Simon Gibbons followed by Dr. Treasure

812
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,000
Shepard then Chelsea then Scott

813
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Habbermell.

814
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,200
Thank you. Last year I stood in front of

815
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,599
this dis with a group of other people

816
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,000
asking you to review the way that you

817
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,400
manage rents in Pasadena.

818
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,720
We looked at whether we could make some

819
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,599
adjustments to measure PR and we were

820
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,760
told we needed to wait until the next

821
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,760
electoral cycle. we'd see how things

822
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,320
worked out. As you know, the rent

823
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,400
department is not doing well. And last

824
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,480
week, as part of the California

825
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,480
Apartment Association's uh lawsuit, I

826
00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:49,760
took part in the the appeal court and

827
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,790
listened in and heard the words from

828
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:54,800
Justice Seagull. This is the most

829
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,640
unfair, discriminatory rent

830
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,240
stabilization board that I've ever seen.

831
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,800
I'd like you to think about this and as

832
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,560
we move into the next electoral cycle,

833
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,480
as new options are put in front of you,

834
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,480
to consider how we can make a reasonable

835
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,800
approach to managing rent in Pasadena

836
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,960
that make sure that all voices are heard

837
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,440
so that we can have a stable and

838
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,760
suitable way to ensure affordable

839
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,200
housing. Thank you.

840
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,000
Thank you, Dr. Treasure Shepard,

841
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,790
followed by Chelsea, followed by Scott

842
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:26,479
Habmill, then Michael Bonura.

843
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,880
Uh, thank you. There's supposed to be a

844
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,599
visual that Koko Panasian sent to it to

845
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,920
post up right now um regarding the

846
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,839
concert series, but I'm here as CEO of

847
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:37,440
the Pasadena Recreation and Parks

848
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,520
Foundation. We partnered with the city

849
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,599
to bring back the Levit Foundation

850
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,839
concert series for 3 years. So, we need

851
00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:45,359
everyone to vote. They have until the

852
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:47,680
15th to do so, 5:00 p.m. on that day.

853
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,240
Random time, but please do so. Um just

854
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,840
text Pasadena to the number 187749-5525.

855
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:57,440
and whenever you guys put up the visual,

856
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,790
that'd be great. Um, second, Council

857
00:37:00,790 --> 00:37:01,920
Member Cole, please take care of this

858
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,760
divestment issue. You're hearing all of

859
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,119
this. I know you care. I've talked to

860
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,359
you, but yes, we need to handle that.

861
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:09,680
And I agree with Hampton. Um, we need to

862
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,800
make sure that citywide we are prepared

863
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,480
for this in the future. Um, thank you

864
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:14,960
very much.

865
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,359
Thank you.

866
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:17,359
Thank you, Chelsea.

867
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,790
Followed by Scott Habbermill, followed

868
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:23,679
by Michael Bonura, then Nasier Carse.

869
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,599
Yes, this is Chelsea. I reside in

870
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,440
district 7 and thank you Hampton for

871
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,520
your interest in divestment. That's

872
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,000
actually something I wanted to bring up

873
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,240
um about just the media attention right

874
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,640
now in Israel today about um eight

875
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,920
civilians who were wounded by

876
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,960
Palestinian shooters at a bus stop. Um

877
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,400
however um as I've been sharing um

878
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,800
Israel military intelligence data

879
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,400
indicates that five out of six

880
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,400
Palestinians killed by Israel's army are

881
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,520
civilians. Um the 83% of civilian deaths

882
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,000
is extremely high for modern warfare and

883
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,839
even when compared to recent civil wars

884
00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:00,800
in Syria and Sudan. Um did that mean I

885
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,599
was done?

886
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:02,800
No, you have 30 seconds.

887
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,400
Okay. Hamus International has concluded

888
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,800
that Israel's committing genocide in

889
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,440
Gaza joining more than 400 genocide

890
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,790
scholars. So your continued interest is

891
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:14,790
um really key right now. Thank you so

892
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:16,160
much council. God bless you guys.

893
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,160
Thank you.

894
00:38:18,460 --> 00:38:19,680
[Applause]

895
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,440
Scott Habbermill followed by Michael

896
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,160
Bonura, then Nasier Carse, then David

897
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160
Bond, then Pranit.

898
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,720
Hello. Uh, my name is Scott Habmill. I'm

899
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,520
a resident of Pasadena District 7. I'm

900
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,520
here today to give my unqualified

901
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,440
support for the Pasadena Greenways

902
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,790
Project. I believe that everyone

903
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:39,280
deserves the right to get around

904
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,320
Pasadena safely without a car. And by

905
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,160
that, I mean they should be they should

906
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,760
both be safe and feel safe.

907
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:49,839
In addition, I think that includes

908
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:52,000
walking by bike, by scooter, or by

909
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,240
public transport. The greenways are a

910
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,560
low impact project that promises to give

911
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,720
neighborhood streets back to the people

912
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,960
who live on them while allowing those

913
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,200
who don't to safely get around Pasadena

914
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,000
on a bike. Please put them on the agenda

915
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,839
and please approve the plan following

916
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:09,920
the all ages and abilities guidelines.

917
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,920
Thank you.

918
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:16,320
Michael Bonora followed by Nasir Carse

919
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,400
followed by David Bond then Prrenit then

920
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,400
Levent Akarut.

921
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,800
Thank you. Mayor and council members

922
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,480
while the while the FBS board will make

923
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,440
the decision to divest the city council

924
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,880
can still pass a resolution calling on

925
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,880
the FBS board to divest.

926
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,280
that will show that the council cares

927
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,640
that we are involved in genocide. Please

928
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,640
be strong leaders. Thank you.

929
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:49,760
Nasir car followed by David Bond and

930
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,760
Perit

931
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:54,480
Nasir.

932
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,800
Yes. And it's Naser Kaser. Sorry.

933
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,760
Um thank you so much for having us and I

934
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,760
appreciate you serving our community.

935
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:09,760
However, I am here today to um and and I

936
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,640
was very touched by what everybody said

937
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,680
about uh uh Nenina and um in my mind I'm

938
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,640
thinking how many thousands of

939
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,960
Palestinians have been killed and I

940
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,160
would like for us to recognize at least

941
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,400
the loss of the children and the honest

942
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,359
people, the the uh young people. So what

943
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:35,440
I was going to mention is just a couple

944
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,880
of names one year olds that have passed

945
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,800
away

946
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,560
have been killed uh by Israeli um

947
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,560
killers Muhammad Abdullah Nadia Senad

948
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,120
Ahmed Minir Ibraim Ali Kazim Magd

949
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,119
Muhammad. So I'm just reading a few.

950
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,920
These are one year olds. 2,000 of them

951
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:01,119
were killed

952
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:02,400
which is just amazing.

953
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,400
Your time has expired. David Bond

954
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,400
followed by Prrenit

955
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,800
then Levent Akbar and Mariam Gada.

956
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,920
City Council, I am here in support of

957
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,119
the city council's divestment of all of

958
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:22,790
the genocide actors that's occurring

959
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:25,440
right now in Palestine. It is uh the

960
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,000
worst genocide that we have seen. It is

961
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,680
being televised to us and we're seeing

962
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,440
hundreds of thousands of innocent

963
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,240
civilians killed. We're seeing a famine

964
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:38,880
imposed by our tax dollars and this city

965
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,760
has investment into these actors. We

966
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,400
must show a united front of ending this

967
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,400
genocide.

968
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,400
Prenit followed by Levent Akabarut then

969
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,839
Miriam Gaada then Anna Soul River and

970
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:58,400
then Michael Tucker will be the last

971
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,319
speaker on matters not on the agenda.

972
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:04,790
Hi everyone, thank you for having me. My

973
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:06,160
name is Prrenit. Um I just wanted to ask

974
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,400
you guys again to divest from all all

975
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,280
the companies that are uh currently

976
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,400
profiting off of the genocide that's

977
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,760
happening in Gaza. uh as you guys saw

978
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,680
maybe in Santa Monica they have a

979
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,359
financial emergency because of a huge

980
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:21,200
lawsuit that they faced and they're

981
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,119
unable to balance their books and the

982
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:25,400
same thing will happen in Pasadena once

983
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,119
they find that we are also guilty of

984
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,790
committing genocide as we own we are

985
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:31,680
partial owners in some of the war

986
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,760
companies so again this is more of a

987
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,760
legal protection for Pasadena is we need

988
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,960
to make sure we dive best from all of

989
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,240
them because as amnesty and all ICJ ICC

990
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,160
has determined that genocide has been

991
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,000
committed we are responsible for that.

992
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,920
So, let's divest as quickly as possible

993
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,160
so we don't get any legal repercussions

994
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,240
as the city of Pasadena. Thank you.

995
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,840
Thank you, Levent Akarut, then Mariam

996
00:42:54,319 --> 00:42:56,480
Gada, then Anna Soul River, and then

997
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,240
Michael Tucker who's participating

998
00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,280
virtually.

999
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,680
Okay. My name is Levent Akbar. I am a

1000
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,680
resident of Pasadena.

1001
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,280
I have a list of 1896 children and it's

1002
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:12,640
probably a way more now that have died

1003
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,640
since July 15, 2025.

1004
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,360
My list consists of number 9004, Karam

1005
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,480
Nadal Zoher Salman. And last on my list

1006
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,480
but not least is Jud Ma Mahmud Muhammad

1007
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,160
Hamdan.

1008
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,680
All the names here are uh children that

1009
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,640
are 11 months old. All of them are just

1010
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,790
11 months old. And I would like to say

1011
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:42,720
that let's adjourn with the remembrance

1012
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,320
of the beautiful children of Gaza.

1013
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,680
Hopefully we can think deeply and make

1014
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,200
right decisions. Do not be a genocide

1015
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,800
denier. do not fall for the public uh

1016
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,200
for the public relations machine that

1017
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,600
are per perpetuating lies

1018
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,599
encouraging the genocide in Gaza.

1019
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:07,599
Mariam Gada Gada

1020
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,200
followed by Anna Soul River and then

1021
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,240
Michael Tucker.

1022
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,319
Good evening uh mayor and council

1023
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,400
members. My name is Mariam Sada. I'm an

1024
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,119
educator. Um I work with children every

1025
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,680
day. This is suicide prevention month

1026
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,240
and it's ironic that I work on the

1027
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,520
prevention end of death and I get

1028
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,520
trained uh to see the signs and prevent

1029
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,720
and save lives before they go and I'm

1030
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,560
standing here with a list of lives that

1031
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,280
are gone. And I tell my students every

1032
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,839
day, you know, as a good taxpayer, I

1033
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:44,400
don't want my money to go to this. I

1034
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,160
really don't. I work really hard so that

1035
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,880
my students go to college. we improved,

1036
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,160
you know, they find their American

1037
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,599
dream, they live it not for the sake of

1038
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:55,280
anything. So, it's the question here is

1039
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,480
not when where if we're going to divest

1040
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,880
is when. Thank you.

1041
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:04,880
Anna Soul River.

1042
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,280
Yes. Good evening, council members. I'm

1043
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,960
speaking as a concerned Pasadena

1044
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,960
resident. After reviewing the Department

1045
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,800
of Transportation's hydrogen bus

1046
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,400
proposal and hearing expert analysis

1047
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,680
like Joe Rum of the Bulbas,

1048
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,319
I urge real caution. Yes, hydrogen

1049
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:21,920
grants are tempting and a few extra

1050
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,000
miles of range may sound appealing, but

1051
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,920
those short-term benefits don't justify

1052
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,000
the long-term cost. Hydrogen is

1053
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,790
incredibly energy intensive to produce.

1054
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:31,760
And as the solar and battery

1055
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,000
technologies keep improving, hydrogen

1056
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,960
becomes harder to justify, not easier.

1057
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,599
Even so-called clean hydrogen has major

1058
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:43,199
climate drawbacks. Not the best idea.

1059
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Okay. Michael Tucker,

1060
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,280
who's participating virtually. Mr.

1061
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,560
Tucker, I'll ring a bell when you have

1062
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,560
30 seconds left.

1063
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,800
mute. Oh, I'm trying.

1064
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,839
There we go. All right. My name is

1065
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:05,400
Michael Tucker and I'm addressing the

1066
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,440
Pasadena City Council today to express a

1067
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,400
serious concern as a citizen of the city

1068
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,200
of Pasadena, District 1. First,

1069
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,800
expression of principle. For me, every

1070
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,400
human being that lives and works in this

1071
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,240
city is a member of this community and

1072
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:17,920
deserving of its respect and protection

1073
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,760
regardless of their federal immigration

1074
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,920
status. Everybody has inalienable human

1075
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,839
rights and is our duty as a community to

1076
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:25,680
look out for all of us. My concern is

1077
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,280
the expected resumption of the ICE raids

1078
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,119
in our community after the disappointing

1079
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,400
Supreme Court decision that put a stay

1080
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,560
on the district court order stopping

1081
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,790
him. That decision was handed down with

1082
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:36,790
no explanation despite two lower courts

1083
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:37,760
finding the stoppage order legal and

1084
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,599
appropriate. The brief review of a brief

1085
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,790
review of ISIS's motus operandi. ICE

1086
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:43,520
deputies are often mass and do not

1087
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,800
identify themselves. They detain people

1088
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,790
who have committed no crimes and

1089
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:47,520
interrogate them on the street. They

1090
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,960
imprison people, some of whom were later

1091
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,560
discovered to be American citizens

1092
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,400
unjustly and without warrant. The last

1093
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,790
item is my biggest concern. But I don't

1094
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:55,680
understand how we can allow people to

1095
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,400
essentially be kidnapped by someone

1096
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,800
cosplaying as a federal officer or

1097
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,319
without providing the requisite proof

1098
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:02,240
such as a signed warrant or at least ID

1099
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:03,839
proving they're a federal agent. I want

1100
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:05,440
to know what the city council has done

1101
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,200
and or plans to do to protect the

1102
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,880
members of our community these

1103
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,160
constitutional activities danger.

1104
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,680
Mr. Tucker, your time is expired.

1105
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,200
Thank you, Mr. Tucker.

1106
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,599
That completes public comment on the on

1107
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:17,200
matters not on the agenda.

1108
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,880
Thank you everyone for your patience and

1109
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,400
for adhering to the time limits. Um,

1110
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,160
Mr. Mayor.

1111
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,680
Yes, Mr. Cole.

1112
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Um, I'll be brief. Um, I took to heart

1113
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,440
uh the comment made uh both to me after

1114
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,960
the meeting and then tonight at um the

1115
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,440
beginning of public comment that um

1116
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,960
we've heard week after week um eloquent

1117
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,760
and heartfelt uh concerns expressed by

1118
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,920
members of our community and that

1119
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,320
seemingly by our silence

1120
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:50,880
um we showed lack of empathy and

1121
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,720
compassion. I don't think that's the

1122
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,880
case with any of the members up here,

1123
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,920
but I understand how um people would

1124
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,120
interpret um that silence. Uh these are

1125
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,359
deeply troubling times in our country

1126
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:08,800
and in our world and uh what is

1127
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,520
happening in in Gaza and the West Bank

1128
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,400
uh and now in Israel again um is

1129
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,400
heartbreaking and sickening.

1130
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,400
Um, so I would ask um in the in the

1131
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,119
spirit of empathy and compassion, um,

1132
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:26,960
it's estimated that more than 700

1133
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,160
civilians were killed on October 7th um,

1134
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,440
uh, in Israel. And as we all know, well

1135
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,440
over 50,000

1136
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,760
Gazins have died uh, in nearly two years

1137
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,400
of warfare against uh, a civilian

1138
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,920
population. So I would ask that we also

1139
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,800
tonight adjourn in memory of all of the

1140
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,800
innocent victims

1141
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,400
of this war.

1142
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,319
I'd give a silent second to that and

1143
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,720
then I have one thing that's not such a

1144
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,120
silent second as well.

1145
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,599
I get it.

1146
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,119
Can't you can't be silent here. You

1147
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,400
know, Mike, but um a silent second to

1148
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,839
that. Uh and I also wanted to um say um

1149
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:14,790
to Missy Dodd, I'm so sorry to hear

1150
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:16,319
about your niece. I I wasn't here when

1151
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:18,319
you told the story, but I just want you

1152
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:20,960
to know that I love you and um your your

1153
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,559
family. I I just I want you to know that

1154
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,200
I'm I'm here uh in any way, any capacity

1155
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,770
I could be for you. I love you.

1156
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:29,770
[Applause]

1157
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:33,359
I uh

1158
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,400
I think um you know the

1159
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,280
public should also understand that you

1160
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,240
know it's it was well put by Mr. Cole,

1161
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,400
Mr. Hampton, and I think you speak for

1162
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,960
the rest of the council, uh, but you

1163
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,119
know, by law, we're prohibited from

1164
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,839
engaging or addressing matters that are

1165
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:58,480
not on our agenda. Um, and so I I I just

1166
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,480
want you to understand that it's not

1167
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,480
don't interpret our silence as, you

1168
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,839
know, a lack of sympathy or empathy for

1169
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:09,599
anyone who has lost a family member on

1170
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,480
whatever side they may be on. um uh in

1171
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,680
in any part of the world in any atrocity

1172
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,790
uh including in this country. Um and so

1173
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:24,640
uh you know we will uh adjourn in memory

1174
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,839
of all victims of violence uh anywhere

1175
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:30,839
and anywhere they may be.

1176
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,000
Um

1177
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,960
with that uh we will uh move on to the

1178
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,960
consent calendar.

1179
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,680
For the consent calendar, we have one

1180
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,119
speaker card for item 8. Uh we did

1181
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:54,119
receive correspondence for item four,

1182
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,480
five, and eight with those letters

1183
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,520
distributed to the council posted online

1184
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,119
and part of the record for each of those

1185
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,119
items.

1186
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,160
Okay.

1187
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,400
Um, mayor,

1188
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,960
I have concerns on items seven and

1189
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,960
eight.

1190
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,520
Ask the

1191
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,880
Okay, you want to hold them? Um,

1192
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,880
okay. Uh, is there a motion? Is that a

1193
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,640
motion on the remainder of the consent

1194
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:25,440
calendar?

1195
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,240
So moved.

1196
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,240
Okay. Is there a second?

1197
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:28,720
Second.

1198
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,720
Second. Are there any objections?

1199
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:33,200
I'm sorry. Six and seven, not seven and

1200
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,119
eight. I apologize.

1201
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:36,800
Six and seven.

1202
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,800
Yeah. Six and seven. You're dropping

1203
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,520
eight.

1204
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,520
No, no. 82. 678.

1205
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:46,000
Well, we have a speaker card on

1206
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,800
We have a speaker card on item eight.

1207
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,000
Okay. So, 6, seven, and eight are held.

1208
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,119
Uh, and the remainder of the consent

1209
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:56,880
calendar

1210
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,480
uh is subject to a motion. Any

1211
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,400
objections? Seeing none, let's start

1212
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,400
with item six, Mr. Cole.

1213
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,280
So, um, I was on the municipal services

1214
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,880
committee. My colleagues gave it serious

1215
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,880
consideration. Um I'm

1216
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,760
concerned about our recommendation. Um

1217
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,760
the

1218
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,480
under the proposal we move now to as

1219
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,680
little as onethird of the residents of a

1220
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,680
block um uh could u

1221
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,800
could be successful in in voting for

1222
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,359
speed humps. Um I made a motion for a

1223
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:38,790
higher threshold which is that at least

1224
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:41,679
50% of the people meaning 67% of the

1225
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,359
voting but at least 50% of the people um

1226
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:48,160
who live there. The staff made a very

1227
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,790
persuasive to my colleague argument that

1228
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:52,000
it's very difficult particularly in some

1229
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,359
neighborhoods where there's a higher

1230
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:57,680
level of renters um etc. But uh I think

1231
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,790
it's we will encounter down the road

1232
00:53:00,790 --> 00:53:03,400
some concerns when people say how come

1233
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,559
there speed humps on my street and we'll

1234
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,640
say we had an election and half the

1235
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,800
people voted and twothirds of the people

1236
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,280
voted for speed humps which means that

1237
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,800
twothirds of the people haven't weighed

1238
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,000
in. I think that's difficult but I am

1239
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,400
not going to um do anything other than

1240
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,559
suggest to my colleagues who are not on

1241
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:23,200
MSC if you share that concern we could

1242
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,790
discuss it. Otherwise, um I'm prepared

1243
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:28,640
to I I don't think it's a bad choice,

1244
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,960
but I I would be more comfortable with

1245
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,680
at least 50% of the people on a street

1246
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,000
saying they wanted speed humps.

1247
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,599
I I I agree with you given our history

1248
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:42,480
on speed humps. Uh it's been my

1249
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,880
experience that once they're installed,

1250
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,960
there are unintended consequences. you

1251
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,319
know, people speeding up to the hump,

1252
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:53,280
slowing down, going over it, and causes

1253
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,720
noise and sometimes screeching. Um, and

1254
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,760
then there are other issues when people

1255
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,319
don't slow down for the speed hump and

1256
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:05,599
cars bottom out, maybe lose control. Uh,

1257
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:09,199
my experience is that sometimes people

1258
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,400
who,

1259
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,559
you know, be careful what you wish for.

1260
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:14,559
Sometimes they wanted some wanted the

1261
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,480
speed hump and then they want them out.

1262
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,160
In fact, at one point we took up a

1263
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,400
policy in Pasadena that if a

1264
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,800
neighborhood wanted them out, they had

1265
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,920
to pay to remove them. Um, and so uh I I

1266
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,559
think I would suggest that we hold this

1267
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:34,159
matter uh and uh and revisit

1268
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,000
particularly the issue of a threshold.

1269
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Mayor Oh,

1270
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,400
yeah. Go. Oh, council member.

1271
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,400
Oh my. Sorry.

1272
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,200
Uh, thank you, mayor, and thank you for

1273
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,839
your comments on on that.

1274
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:53,200
Council member Cole, um, I have a

1275
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,200
experience with this kind of like on a

1276
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,119
negative experience on it. starting with

1277
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:01,599
Green Hill and um you know there was a

1278
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,720
someone that wanted bumps on Green Hill

1279
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:08,480
really it was like she was running for

1280
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,640
election you know and and and really

1281
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,880
going to all the houses and then they

1282
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,640
put

1283
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,400
um you know speed bumps on that street

1284
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,680
and and everybody was complaining about

1285
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,790
it you know and when I was walking you

1286
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:26,790
know the uh when I was walking in 2011

1287
00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:27,599
uh They told me how them how much they

1288
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:29,599
hated the the speed bumps. Well, she

1289
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,920
moved away. You know, the lady that

1290
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,880
wanted it. And now the the the uh the

1291
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,200
traffic goes onto the adjacent streets

1292
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,839
and that's the problem with having speed

1293
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:43,119
bumps if you're not careful. Thank you.

1294
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,280
And then there's the issue of, you know,

1295
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,200
people want some people want the speed

1296
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,880
humps and then there's one put in front

1297
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,000
of their home

1298
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,400
and they said, "No, move it over." Um

1299
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,400
and so I I think this this Well, let's

1300
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,000
hear from members of the MSSE.

1301
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:00,960
Mr. Hampton,

1302
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,720
um the policy went through so many

1303
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:06,640
different I mean it went through other

1304
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,240
committees as well. So there was a lot

1305
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:11,280
of time for residents to um chime in. Um

1306
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,119
in my district um there have been speed

1307
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:17,359
bump petitions that have gone out and

1308
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:19,440
transportation didn't get enough vote or

1309
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,839
enough responses at all. Right. And so

1310
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:23,680
we have to ask transportation to send

1311
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,839
out another ballot and they're kind

1312
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:28,000
enough to do it. Sometimes in some cases

1313
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,400
up to three to four times to get the

1314
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,319
response either yes or no. Um most cases

1315
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:36,400
it was always in favor or someone looked

1316
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,480
at the mailer that came in and they were

1317
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,440
like I'm not paying for nothing. I don't

1318
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,000
know what the city is sending me because

1319
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,200
probably looks like a bill or something

1320
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,799
to them. Um but I would say that I think

1321
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:51,440
that the policy that was put together um

1322
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,000
by um the transportation department um

1323
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,000
and um the transportation committee

1324
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,440
yeah transportation committee of a

1325
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,599
commission sorry commission of uh the

1326
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:03,920
city members uh is is actually a solid

1327
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,400
policy. The one thing I would have added

1328
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,480
to this um would be as um council member

1329
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,720
Cole has mentioned, you know, having

1330
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,920
below 50% or having would be to notify

1331
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,920
the residents 60 days prior to the

1332
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,280
install if they want to respond. They

1333
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,680
have 60 days putting notice notices

1334
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,160
along the corridor of that street that

1335
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,559
will say speed bumps will be installed.

1336
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:33,920
you have questions or concerns to reach

1337
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,680
out.

1338
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,599
I think that would be fair and then

1339
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:38,720
transportation would have the

1340
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,319
opportunity to look at those and say,

1341
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:42,960
you know what, now that everybody has

1342
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,400
weighed in on this and they really

1343
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,319
notice this and they're not just

1344
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:48,719
throwing away that mailer.

1345
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,680
Long story short, because otherwise we

1346
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,599
could just have, you know, 10 households

1347
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:56,960
on a house on a street of, you know, 30

1348
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,760
households that are on all in favor of

1349
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,359
it and everybody else says absolutely

1350
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:03,839
no. Because everybody looked at the

1351
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:05,359
mailer and they said, "Oh, I'm not going

1352
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:07,520
to I don't I don't need to respond to

1353
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,119
this. I don't need to I don't need to

1354
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:11,599
look at this." Or maybe there's just

1355
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,480
another way to advertise that we're

1356
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,480
we're asking for your input. I think

1357
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,599
that's I think that's what we're

1358
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,559
what's being suggested. Um, and it's a

1359
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:26,319
good suggestion. I mean, I don't want to

1360
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:28,719
infer from people's unwillingness

1361
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,440
sometimes to respond that they're for or

1362
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,359
against. Sometimes people don't respond

1363
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,959
because they're against. Um, Mr. Jones.

1364
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,790
Thanks, Mayor. And we did have this

1365
00:58:40,790 --> 00:58:42,880
discussion at MSC and I believe it was a

1366
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,359
unanimous decision, but Mr. code did u

1367
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:47,760
bring up his recommendation as part of a

1368
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,319
a second motion, but I think it's

1369
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:54,000
important to to know like this policy is

1370
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,280
in response to the residents coming to

1371
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,680
their council members and what we've

1372
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,480
seen from DOT is that we've put out the

1373
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,960
the speed markers. A resident will

1374
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,400
petition for a speed hump and they

1375
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,559
didn't meet the threshold, right? They

1376
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:11,119
didn't meet the thousand um what is it

1377
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,280
car trips per day. So we've lowered that

1378
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,480
to 500. Often times when even if they

1379
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,400
did meet the thousand um they didn't get

1380
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,640
the 67% response rate that they were

1381
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:26,790
required. And so now the residents who

1382
00:59:26,790 --> 00:59:29,400
have actively engaged and organized,

1383
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,440
they don't get the speed humps. And so

1384
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,160
our fear was is that if we didn't revise

1385
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,160
this policy,

1386
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,480
then we'll just be back at the same

1387
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,599
issue again. residents asking for speed

1388
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:44,319
humps and they not qualifying for it. Um

1389
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:46,240
I mean it's a good point about what Mr.

1390
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,280
Cole brought up and we did defer to to

1391
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,440
walk and his team to do some further

1392
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,680
investigation and then come back with a

1393
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,760
a recommendation of a response rate

1394
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,790
because it originally there was no

1395
00:59:58,790 --> 01:00:00,559
minimum response rate. I believe it was

1396
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:03,359
just based on your engineering judgment.

1397
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:05,520
And so then part of that discussion we

1398
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,319
landed at a um for walk to come back and

1399
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:10,559
look at a minimum response weight. He

1400
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:12,400
came back with 50% and I think it'd be

1401
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,400
helpful to hear from him as how you came

1402
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,400
to that conclusion.

1403
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:22,559
Thank you. Yes. As as we discussed at

1404
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,000
MSSE, there were a number of things that

1405
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,839
we're looking for in this policy update.

1406
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:28,319
Um the one that that this discussion

1407
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:30,319
revolves around is that twothirds vote

1408
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:33,280
and um not getting um enough ballots

1409
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,280
back even after going going out a second

1410
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,280
or third time to try to get additional

1411
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,160
feedback. Um in the gender report we we

1412
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,400
did note that uh the percentage of

1413
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,640
ballots returned really ranged from

1414
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,400
about 46% to 78% of those mailed out and

1415
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,960
that's really after doing um a number of

1416
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,799
rounds of of outreach. So, um we are

1417
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:58,799
open to um adjusting that number at, you

1418
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:00,240
know, at this time if we'd like to move

1419
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,000
forward with um 50 or 50% plus one of

1420
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,480
all votes versus 2/3 of 50% of what

1421
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,480
comes back. I think either way, what

1422
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,680
this does, it it does uh provide um more

1423
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,520
uh opportunity for speed humps to be

1424
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,790
installed. They are a proven uh safety

1425
01:01:18,790 --> 01:01:19,200
uh device. They're proven to be

1426
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,280
effective at reducing speeds. um they're

1427
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,920
one of the most asked for um types of

1428
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,440
devices that we get throughout the city.

1429
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,960
It's just it's very hard to meet our

1430
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,119
criteria. Um so we were trying to make

1431
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:32,960
that more uh accessible to everybody. Um

1432
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,160
we as staff feel that the 67% approval

1433
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,319
of 50% ballots was um was a a good

1434
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:42,720
number based on our data, but um it

1435
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,400
doesn't mean that we're opposed to uh

1436
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,800
50% plus one of of a yes vote. Um it's

1437
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,160
just that again we don't count no votes

1438
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,280
as nos um anymore. We still need that

1439
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,280
that yes vote.

1440
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:03,839
Um I I think the policy in terms of the

1441
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:06,880
threshold is I mean I I I don't think

1442
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,839
that's the issue. The issue is the

1443
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:14,639
people who will respond and vote and um

1444
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,880
uh Mr. Lion were you

1445
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:17,599
yes in the

1446
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:19,440
Thank you mayor. I support the

1447
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,520
recommendation um the department's

1448
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,119
recommendation. I supported the

1449
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,520
recommendation that came before um this

1450
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,960
has gone through TAC, it's gone through

1451
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,559
MSSE um and now it's here. I don't know

1452
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,480
I don't know the residents that are that

1453
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,359
are crying out about furious about about

1454
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:37,839
speed bumps. Um I heard from quite a few

1455
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:39,520
people about this policy. Everyone

1456
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,160
uniformly asked me to vote for it.

1457
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,400
people. What I hear is that people want

1458
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,790
don't want cars speeding down their

1459
01:02:46,790 --> 01:02:47,920
residential streets where their kids are

1460
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,160
playing and they're walking their dogs

1461
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,240
and this is a way to slow people down on

1462
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,720
our neighborhood streets. Um I I I don't

1463
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,240
think there's a lot of data to support

1464
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,640
that that speed bumps in particular, but

1465
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,799
trafficcoming measures in general result

1466
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:06,000
in in a mass um overflow to other

1467
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,280
streets. It's the first argument

1468
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,760
everyone makes against any trafficcoming

1469
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,319
measure and there's not a lot of data to

1470
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:15,920
support it. So I very much support the

1471
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,319
recommendation. Um I don't think we we

1472
01:03:18,319 --> 01:03:20,160
have to infer anything from the non

1473
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,160
votes. That's the nature of democracy.

1474
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,920
The people who vote get to say what

1475
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,760
happens. That's how we're all sitting

1476
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,599
here at this table and we don't have a

1477
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,640
minimum threshold in our districts. So I

1478
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,160
think the threshold we came up with is

1479
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,319
is good. half the people on the street

1480
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:36,160
have to vote and then twothirds of of

1481
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,119
those voting can decide. Um and I I

1482
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,200
support the policy uh as written.

1483
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,800
I I'd second the motion too.

1484
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,640
I just have one clarifying question.

1485
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:49,920
It's not about the

1486
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,559
speed. So there's speed tables, speed

1487
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,880
humps, and speed cushions. Are we still

1488
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,960
doing speed humps or only speed cushions

1489
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,920
and speed tables? Uh speed cushion is a

1490
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:01,280
type of speed hump and that's the new

1491
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:02,720
standard that we're using throughout the

1492
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,640
city. It provides the grooves for fire

1493
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,640
vehicles. Speed tables are still under

1494
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,799
pilot and not um part of this policy. So

1495
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:10,319
we would come back at a later time for

1496
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:11,119
speed tables.

1497
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:14,400
I understand. So speed the long speed

1498
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,720
humps that everybody's used to seeing is

1499
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,799
no longer going to happen. What we're

1500
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:20,720
going to see from here on out are going

1501
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,640
to be the individual cushions that are

1502
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,559
like three cushions. They look like

1503
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:25,920
pillows.

1504
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,760
Correct. there. Uh they have the wheel

1505
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,760
cut out for fire emergency response

1506
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,520
vehicles. So that is the speed cushion.

1507
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,920
That's our current design. We wouldn't

1508
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,920
go back and change the existing ones

1509
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,680
unless we're resurfacing a street, but

1510
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,680
any new locations would uh would have

1511
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,390
that speed cushion design.

1512
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:43,200
Okay. Thank you. And nobody's found a

1513
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,280
way to take advantage of those and just

1514
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,680
go with one set of tires over it.

1515
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:48,880
Promise,

1516
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:54,280
Mr. Cole. Um, so to be clear, I support

1517
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,520
the change in policy and as the chairman

1518
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,640
noted, I went along with it because I

1519
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,400
support the change in policy and I do

1520
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,480
think it has been well vetted and I do

1521
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,640
think it's a step forward. Um, I again

1522
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,720
worry about what happens after speed

1523
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,799
humps are installed and I think that

1524
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:14,559
council member Hampton's suggestion is a

1525
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:16,880
good one. Although if that just opens

1526
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,720
Pandora's box, we have a we have a

1527
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,480
problem. I mean, the three complaints

1528
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,640
cause us to maybe maybe posting during

1529
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,400
the election makes sense.

1530
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,720
Uh so so that people know to to request

1531
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,720
a ballot if they lost theirs or threw

1532
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,640
theirs away. Um in the interest of of uh

1533
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,359
of hopefully passing this and and if it

1534
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:42,960
passes without um uh my vote, then I'm

1535
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,390
I'm fine with that as well. Let me offer

1536
01:05:45,390 --> 01:05:46,880
a friendly amendment that we increase

1537
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,480
the um minimum uh threshold of

1538
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,400
participation

1539
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,400
uh to either 60%

1540
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,920
or um

1541
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,360
to 60% or um the equivalent of 50% of

1542
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,160
the turnout in the election to be either

1543
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,839
60% or the number of yes votes uh to be

1544
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:13,839
at least 40%.

1545
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:19,200
uh that on 67 at least 40% of the total

1546
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,319
households. I know that sounds

1547
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:22,640
confusing. Let me say it again. Right

1548
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,640
now at 50% a twothirds vote is one-third

1549
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,280
of the people on the street.

1550
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,119
I think that's a problem. I think u Mr.

1551
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:35,760
Lion makes a good point that where's

1552
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,400
there's no minimum on elections for this

1553
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,640
body. If 10% of the people show up to

1554
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,280
vote, somebody gets 6% of the vote,

1555
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,520
they're a member of this body. But I do

1556
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,680
think on something as sensitive as this,

1557
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,839
it will make sense for us to be able to

1558
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:52,240
say there's a higher than onethird of

1559
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,440
the people. So leave it at at 67%.

1560
01:06:56,799 --> 01:06:59,199
Um but at least

1561
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,760
40% of the of the households be voting

1562
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,760
yes.

1563
01:07:06,790 --> 01:07:09,359
Yeah. Um the the distinction, Mr. Lion,

1564
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:11,680
I I get what you're saying, but you

1565
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,200
know, we're not I mean, if if voters

1566
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:19,599
vote us in, um they can also vote us out

1567
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:22,400
uh in a couple of years. Uh there's a

1568
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,440
little bit more permanency to a physical

1569
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,200
change to someone's street. Um and you

1570
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,640
know that's I I think that's where I

1571
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,160
would say to you uh the difference is um

1572
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,680
and you know in terms of we we may have

1573
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,760
to agree to disagree on this but I do

1574
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,790
believe that you know I mean just look

1575
01:07:44,790 --> 01:07:47,760
at your own our your meaning the

1576
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,799
collective all of us driving patterns um

1577
01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:53,200
I've always said traffic is like water

1578
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,960
you know it will find the path of least

1579
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,280
resistance and I challenge anyone in

1580
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,440
this room to say to me, you haven't

1581
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,000
thought about finding the path of least

1582
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,760
resistance when you're driving, whether

1583
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,160
it means taking residential streets uh

1584
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,400
or streets with no speed humps or, you

1585
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,520
know, no stop signs. Um I think uh maybe

1586
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,880
at least once in your commute in the

1587
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,199
last few years, you've thought about

1588
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:22,719
that. And so I I do think there's an

1589
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:23,920
argument. Maybe we'll just have to agree

1590
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:24,480
to disagree.

1591
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:26,480
No, sir. I think I think we'll look at

1592
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:28,640
some data on the traffic is like water

1593
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,440
is is there's a good deal of data to

1594
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:33,279
respond to that I think. So

1595
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:37,359
mayor we can I clarify just your math or

1596
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,800
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1597
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:41,600
I understand what I was going to say.

1598
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,520
It didn't just sound confusing to us.

1599
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,679
I know. I apologize.

1600
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:46,960
Let me let me make it as simple as

1601
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:47,279
possible.

1602
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:51,440
40% of 50% of 22% on a Tuesday is what I

1603
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:53,120
understand. No, no,

1604
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,600
that's exactly what to me.

1605
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,799
He was like, who's on first?

1606
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:00,239
Sorry.

1607
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:03,839
100 houses on two blocks, right? Under

1608
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,400
the current policy,

1609
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,480
the minimum vote is 67 votes. If 67

1610
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,400
people vote and they all vote in favor

1611
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,000
of it, fine. But you have to have

1612
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,200
obviously more than than um 67 votes in

1613
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,800
order to get to the 67 threshold. And

1614
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,640
that's almost impossible as it turns out

1615
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,480
um because of people who don't vote at

1616
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:32,680
all. So um under the proposal that's

1617
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,880
before us,

1618
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,880
uh the minimum number is 34 on on those

1619
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,000
two blocks. I'm suggesting that it be we

1620
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,239
leave it as as 67, but there be a

1621
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,639
minimum of 40 yes votes.

1622
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:51,359
So 40% of the of the households be the

1623
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:53,279
minimum threshold. So it's that's pretty

1624
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:54,960
simple. It's the difference between

1625
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,760
right now it's 67 under this proposal be

1626
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,000
34. Under my proposal it would be a

1627
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,440
minimum of 40 votes. It could be 90 to

1628
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:08,240
one or 90 to 10. It can be 67 to 33. But

1629
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:10,960
the yes votes have to me make up at

1630
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,560
least 40% of the households. That's all.

1631
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:16,719
Thank you, Mr.

1632
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:19,280
So basically 40% of the ballots that go

1633
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,159
out have to be returned in affirmative.

1634
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:23,920
No, that's under this proposal. Under

1635
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,960
the current proposal, 50% have to be

1636
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,000
Oh, in the affirmative. Yes. Correct.

1637
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,440
Yes. Correct.

1638
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:32,960
So that's your I missed your last two.

1639
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,120
You got to get 40% of yes votes and you

1640
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,640
doesn't matter how many come back.

1641
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,520
Yes. If it happened that 40% came back

1642
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,920
and they were all yeses, it would be a

1643
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,120
a yes.

1644
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,760
But I mean, we did discuss this at MSC

1645
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,440
and we did say that we was going to

1646
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,440
re-evaluate it after like 6 months.

1647
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,120
So I I mean I I'm still comfortable

1648
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,480
supporting the

1649
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:55,760
it's a friendly amendment if you don't

1650
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:56,880
accept it. I understand.

1651
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,440
Yeah. And and part of in addition to

1652
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:01,520
this is that we was going to do more

1653
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,760
outreach in different languages because

1654
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,480
a lot of residents were not returning to

1655
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,880
ballet because you know we just wasn't

1656
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,640
meeting their preferred language and so

1657
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,120
there was a barrier to that as well.

1658
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,640
So would could I add an amendment if

1659
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,000
that's okay? And I don't have an

1660
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,120
amendment on the the math percentages. I

1661
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,520
there's not going to be a math contest

1662
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,520
here. just that we notify

1663
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,280
the way the same way you know you can't

1664
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,520
park on the street there's some very

1665
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,320
visible notification that ballots are

1666
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,400
going out check your mail

1667
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:38,800
that we can do yes

1668
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,960
thank you I I I think I mean you

1669
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,719
mentioned 60 days and I was going to

1670
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:45,920
suggest it should be during the voting

1671
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:46,400
process

1672
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,400
yeah prior to the vote you know maybe

1673
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:53,199
put out the the the electronic uh sign

1674
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:54,880
um

1675
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,440
to notify people be that the vote is

1676
01:11:57,440 --> 01:11:59,600
happening because 60 days out we've

1677
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,920
already let contracts we've you know the

1678
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,440
that

1679
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:05,280
no no 60 days is off the table. It was

1680
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,960
Yeah. Yeah. No. Council member Cole

1681
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,880
brought up a great idea. He was like or

1682
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,600
someone said why not before the ballots

1683
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,360
even go out so that we're advertising

1684
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,320
it.

1685
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,199
I was only putting the 60 days prior to

1686
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,360
just in case had issues with it.

1687
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,760
But yeah before Any

1688
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,159
further? Oh, Miss Rivas.

1689
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:29,520
Thank you, mayor. I'm supportive of the

1690
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,520
motion, supportive of the um friendly

1691
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,640
amendment. Um I think the key piece that

1692
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,239
we don't see in the staff report. It

1693
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:37,600
sounds like there was discussion, but

1694
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:38,719
that's why I support the friendly

1695
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:40,560
amendment. It's just the outreach piece.

1696
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,400
Um I think right now in my district, the

1697
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,280
streets that have done it, they really

1698
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,360
go all out. it is a really intensive

1699
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,280
effort and which is a good result

1700
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,400
because you know people are really

1701
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,199
motivated really invested in it um but

1702
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,159
it it's a lot of work so doing the

1703
01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:57,760
outreach helping with outreach is going

1704
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,800
to make a big difference so I appreciate

1705
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,600
everyone's attention to that thank you

1706
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,320
and one quick item is the mailing of the

1707
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,520
ballots because we know from the city

1708
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,120
clerk's office you're doing obviously

1709
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:12,960
the city clerk's doing an audit but

1710
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,719
there's some city mail that hasn't

1711
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:17,440
reached every residential unit in the

1712
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:19,840
city. And so we need to make sure that

1713
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,560
we're very thorough about mailing out

1714
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,600
ballots to each unit within that block

1715
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,400
or that that segment that's petitioning

1716
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,800
for the speed hump.

1717
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,800
Yes, that's one of the things that we're

1718
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:33,920
looking at with the mailers is u making

1719
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,679
sure that the addresses that we've

1720
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:37,760
mailed them to uh make sense. If we get

1721
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,239
any returned ballots for undeliverables,

1722
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:44,239
we'll check and see why that address um

1723
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:46,320
uh was returned. Maybe it's a different

1724
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:47,760
address or maybe that address doesn't

1725
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,840
exist. But but we're um trying to

1726
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,280
approve that process to make sure that

1727
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,679
everybody gets a paper ballot um gets it

1728
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:56,880
in multiple languages. And uh now uh we

1729
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,960
will also be doing some notification

1730
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,120
when the ballots go out um public

1731
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,560
notification so people can see it

1732
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,560
through some kind of signage on that

1733
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,760
street that there is a ballot out.

1734
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,239
Last question. Do we do this digitally

1735
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:15,520
as well? Have we thought about that?

1736
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,600
We've traditionally just done paper

1737
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,800
ballots to be able to get them um back

1738
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,440
that way so that we can um um verify

1739
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:25,199
that it was

1740
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:26,960
the ballot that was mailed out is is

1741
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,239
coming back from that address.

1742
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:29,840
I'll tell you this just as one

1743
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,320
individual, right? I mean, I guess I'm

1744
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,400
considered a millennial. I I the mail

1745
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,560
that I get in my home is pretty much

1746
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,480
just coupons.

1747
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,640
Everything else is done digitally. My

1748
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,320
bills don't come to me. That's all

1749
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,480
digital. I don't get that in the mail.

1750
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:49,199
So, if I get a a letter from the city of

1751
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:51,120
Pasadena,

1752
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,560
I mean, I'm looking at it because it

1753
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,199
comes in our packages, right? But but

1754
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,199
I'm saying the average person is not

1755
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:58,960
opening them, right? They're just not

1756
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,400
opening them. They're just saying, "I'm

1757
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,400
not going to open that because

1758
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,360
everything I get is digital." So I mean,

1759
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:06,960
so we should look at when that

1760
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,120
notification goes out some sort of dig

1761
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,280
digital way and in a way that the

1762
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,679
individual can identify, you know, this

1763
01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:16,800
is my address, etc. Because even, you

1764
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,000
know, with fraud, someone say, well,

1765
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,760
that that opens up the door for anyone

1766
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,000
to vote, right? And put any address in.

1767
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,400
You could do that now.

1768
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,920
Right. You could technically get a

1769
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,000
ballot from someone's mailbox and vote

1770
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,280
in affirmative

1771
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,400
or vote in favor or vote against.

1772
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:32,719
I'm going to remind us that we're still

1773
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:34,560
on consent calendar on the first item

1774
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,560
pulled.

1775
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,440
Um there's a speed bump.

1776
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:41,199
Yeah.

1777
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:42,320
Question.

1778
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,320
And so

1779
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:45,920
um

1780
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,800
are there we have a motion and a second.

1781
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,159
Are there objections? This is for the

1782
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:51,840
staff recommendation without the

1783
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,520
friendly amendments.

1784
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:54,880
What was the friendly amendment? I think

1785
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,880
we were good with the with the

1786
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,400
outach. Yeah. Yeah. Signage on the

1787
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,440
street I think is important and and and

1788
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,440
a really rigorous outreach. That's what

1789
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:04,159
I would say.

1790
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:05,600
Okay. So, that was the friendly

1791
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,600
amendment. Okay.

1792
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,159
Uh,

1793
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:11,520
Council Member Cole

1794
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,520
on balance. Yes.

1795
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,000
Council member Hampton.

1796
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:17,400
Yes.

1797
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:18,719
Council Jones. Yes.

1798
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:19,600
Council Lion.

1799
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:20,800
Yes.

1800
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:21,120
Council Madison.

1801
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:21,679
Yes.

1802
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:23,679
Council Msuda.

1803
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,239
Yes.

1804
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:28,960
All right.

1805
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,159
Vice Mayor Rivas.

1806
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:30,640
Yes.

1807
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,560
Mayor Gordo.

1808
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,600
Yes.

1809
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,000
The motion passes unanimously.

1810
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,360
Item seven. Mr. Cole.

1811
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,160
Um, let's see. Uh,

1812
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,800
questions or

1813
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,480
No, not I'm sorry. Seven was a mistake.

1814
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:49,840
I did not mean to call seven.

1815
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:50,960
Eight.

1816
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,800
Motion to move approval of item number

1817
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:53,199
seven.

1818
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:53,679
Thank you.

1819
01:16:53,679 --> 01:16:55,679
Second.

1820
01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:57,679
We have a motion and a second to approve

1821
01:16:57,679 --> 01:16:59,199
staff recommendation.

1822
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:01,400
Any objections?

1823
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:02,560
Seeing none, matters approved.

1824
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,840
I apologize. I was I was looking at six

1825
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,000
and eight and uh seven got mixed up in

1826
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:08,320
there.

1827
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,960
Okay. Uh on number eight

1828
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,800
again I had um a difference of

1829
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,719
perspective from my colleagues on MSC

1830
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:20,159
although um we're all thinking in the

1831
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:23,400
same regard all of us uh who are present

1832
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:27,520
want to see this policy changed um I

1833
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:32,800
wanted to go further um right now you

1834
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,880
can size up to 150% of your uh current

1835
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:39,120
use

1836
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,920
um and if you want to go above 150%

1837
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:47,600
uh this under this policy change then

1838
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,920
you need to install batteries. The

1839
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,360
problem with that is the batteries are

1840
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,360
very expensive. They make a lot of sense

1841
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,800
but we we have not yet in uh created an

1842
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,239
incentive program to help people to

1843
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:02,159
invest in batteries. And so we need

1844
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:05,159
between 90 and 120 megawws of local

1845
01:18:05,679 --> 01:18:08,800
solar and putting them on people's

1846
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:09,679
rooftops,

1847
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:11,679
individual homes as well as businesses

1848
01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:14,400
make a lot of sense. And given that

1849
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,719
people are buying electric cars, people

1850
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:20,239
are increasingly electrifying as I have

1851
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:22,960
um their appliances and their heating

1852
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,760
and air conditioning. Uh, I think that

1853
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,440
200%

1854
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:29,440
um makes more sense. If we want to come

1855
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,760
back and revisit when we get a battery

1856
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,360
incentive and and really um incentivize

1857
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,600
batteries, I think that makes a lot of

1858
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,120
sense and I understand why the staff

1859
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,840
recommended it. But I think until we

1860
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,840
have that battery incentive to ask

1861
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,199
people um to put in very expensive

1862
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:49,199
battery systems, not that we'll pay for

1863
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,360
100% of it, but we should we should find

1864
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,719
a way either to finance it or or some

1865
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:57,600
kind of credits, but in the meantime, I

1866
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,239
think it's unreasonable to limit to just

1867
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:04,800
150%. It's not a do or die issue, but I

1868
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,440
think it is an important um and and the

1869
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:09,840
the chances of abuse, whatever that

1870
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,199
looks like, uh are so minuscule. The

1871
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:14,960
number of people that are going to spend

1872
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,840
the money to go above 150% are the

1873
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,840
people who are not trying to make a buck

1874
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,239
off of the city. They're people who

1875
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:23,920
legitimately think I'm going to buy an

1876
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,719
electric car or I'm going to convert. Um

1877
01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:30,560
and and so that's uh that's my view and

1878
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,159
I wanted to put it on the record and see

1879
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:34,800
if any of my colleagues not on MSSE

1880
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,000
share those concerns.

1881
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,320
I will second that if that is a motion.

1882
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,480
Uh and I am fine with I prefer the more

1883
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:43,920
I think that anybody wants to put any

1884
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,600
solar on their home, we should allow

1885
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,440
them to do that. Um if they want to

1886
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,360
disconnect from the grid, we should

1887
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,600
allow them to do that as well. So, um,

1888
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,000
if you're able to produce 200% of your,

1889
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,800
um, usage, maybe you'll eventually

1890
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,400
decide to disconnect from the grid. Um,

1891
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:00,880
to council member Cole's, um, point

1892
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,480
about the, um, how much batteries cost,

1893
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:06,000
depending on how you're doing your

1894
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,000
solar, um, installation, adding 50% more

1895
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,800
could be equivalent to the cost of your

1896
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,280
battery. So, I I I do think that

1897
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,120
residents should have the option um to

1898
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,239
go to 200% if they like. Um but I would

1899
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:24,719
encourage them to and I would encourage

1900
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:26,719
water and power to um come up with um

1901
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:30,320
some sort of incentive um to give our

1902
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,400
residents to to really invest in battery

1903
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:33,760
storage.

1904
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,640
Well, not to be um preempt here, but I I

1905
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,520
will make a motion to that effect with

1906
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,760
the following provisions. number one

1907
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,760
that we adopt this the recommendation

1908
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,760
from MSSE

1909
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,960
number two that we raise the threshold

1910
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,960
from 150 to 200%

1911
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,400
um to be revisited when and if we move

1912
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,440
forward with battery incentives

1913
01:20:57,679 --> 01:21:00,159
and number three that this apply not

1914
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:02,400
just to new systems but to upgrades of

1915
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,400
existing systems.

1916
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,560
That's my motion.

1917
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,280
I mean, I thought I just seconded it.

1918
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,199
So, I mean, I I I seconded before, but

1919
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,199
it's all good.

1920
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:16,400
Okay.

1921
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,800
Works.

1922
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,800
Um,

1923
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,280
Mr. Madison,

1924
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,640
thanks, Mayor. Mr. um Hampton was

1925
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,320
talking about making a buck, but is this

1926
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,520
a a revenue generator for the resident

1927
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:36,640
if if it potentially is sell back? It

1928
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:40,159
potentially is uh if they are producing

1929
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:41,920
more than they consume.

1930
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,920
Is that a policy change?

1931
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,560
It is a slight policy shift I would say

1932
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,800
um from where the existing policy exists

1933
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,639
today which is to try to match the solar

1934
01:21:52,639 --> 01:21:55,760
system to the residents uh needs to

1935
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:56,719
their actual usage.

1936
01:21:56,719 --> 01:21:59,360
Are residents today receiving u checks

1937
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,199
from the city for power?

1938
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:02,239
Some do.

1939
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:05,239
Okay. Yeah. That's problematic because

1940
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:08,159
uh

1941
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:10,000
you know there've been some subsidies of

1942
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,520
those systems by the city and other

1943
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,679
levels of government. So I wasn't aware

1944
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:18,560
of that. I have solar in my home but um

1945
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,400
we don't get checks from the city.

1946
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,000
Certainly never expected and I never got

1947
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,800
a rebate too. I never applied for them.

1948
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,800
Um, so that's a significant policy

1949
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:29,520
judgment, I think, if we're going to

1950
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,120
turn the residents into um, producers.

1951
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,320
I'm not opposed to it necessarily, but I

1952
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,159
think that needs some discussion. And

1953
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:40,800
then my understanding was, I mean, I

1954
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:41,760
liked the staff recommendation because

1955
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,920
what we really need is storage. We need

1956
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,960
to have storage so that um, we've got

1957
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,840
the capacity when we need it um, even if

1958
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,440
we're not able to generate it in that

1959
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:53,840
moment. So I read the staff

1960
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,880
recommendation to be you can get more

1961
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,360
but it'll be tied to a storage

1962
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,239
mechanism. So for me that's a good

1963
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:05,600
policy. Um and it's hard you know at

1964
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,239
8:30 at night for eight of us to tinker

1965
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:10,560
with really well-reasoned professional

1966
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:11,520
staff

1967
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,520
policy judgments that have already all

1968
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,520
these arguments were made at MSC

1969
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,520
unsuccessfully apparently um by Mr.

1970
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,719
Cole. So, I'm going to stick with the

1971
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:22,639
staff recommendation.

1972
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:24,800
Thank you,

1973
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:25,280
mayor. I don't know that it's helpful,

1974
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,639
but I would just remind the council that

1975
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:29,679
the council did approve uh a budget that

1976
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:32,320
includes a rebate program, and we're in

1977
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:33,679
the process of developing that

1978
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:35,199
implementation. So, there's money there

1979
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:37,120
for a rebate program for batteries,

1980
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,280
battery storage. We hope to roll that

1981
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,360
out in the next 3 months.

1982
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,360
And David, could you clarify the fund

1983
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:44,480
that that's coming out of?

1984
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:45,679
It's from the PBC fund.

1985
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:45,920
Yeah.

1986
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:46,960
Yeah.

1987
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,639
Public benefit. Yes. So it doesn't

1988
01:23:48,639 --> 01:23:51,390
affect the rate pair.

1989
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:52,880
And I'm not this is sort of without

1990
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,400
prejudice to future adjustments upwards.

1991
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,199
And I'm not hearing staff say otherwise

1992
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:59,760
in terms of the the generation piece,

1993
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,000
but I think it's a it's a good balance

1994
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,280
of focusing on more generation and more

1995
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,360
storage. I think we need to catch up

1996
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:12,159
with storage if we can as it were.

1997
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:15,280
Um Mr. Jones followed by Miss Reebas.

1998
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,800
Thanks, Mayor. And and that's precisely

1999
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,560
the discussion we had at MSC. This is

2000
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,679
again responding to residents who want

2001
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:26,159
to get the the solar credit before it

2002
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:28,239
expires or the federal government um

2003
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:31,440
takes it away and allowing them to build

2004
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:33,600
out some additional capacity. Maybe in

2005
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,600
the future they're going to get one EV.

2006
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,920
And so we came to the conclusion that

2007
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:42,000
150% of their existing usage was a fair

2008
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,480
and balanced approach. part of the staff

2009
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:46,639
recommendation and Mr. Cole did raise

2010
01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:48,639
these concerns and and you know we

2011
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:50,719
thoroughly discussed it and my

2012
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:53,760
recollection was is that we would kind

2013
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,600
of the the general manager would get a

2014
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,639
sense of the applications coming in and

2015
01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:02,400
then if you know if people are saying

2016
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,360
hey I want 200% then general manager

2017
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,280
would come back to MSC and we'd have

2018
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,800
that further discussion but it part of

2019
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,280
that was that we are um encouraging

2020
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,600
solar storage because we do know that we

2021
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,159
need our residents to help us meet our

2022
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:20,800
carbon-f free goals with solar and with

2023
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,960
storage. And so that was part of the the

2024
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,679
balanced discussion we had at MSSE. And

2025
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:27,920
so I'm prepared to support the um

2026
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,280
staff's recommendation, the

2027
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,600
recommendation that we had at MSC, but

2028
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,320
I'm also prepared to to have a further

2029
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,560
discussion on Mr. Cole and Mr. Hampton's

2030
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:37,440
motion.

2031
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:39,400
If that's a substitute motion, I would

2032
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:39,840
second it.

2033
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,840
Yeah, substitute motion.

2034
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:44,800
uh the the issue of I'm sorry, Miss

2035
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,320
Reebus. Go ahead.

2036
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,000
Thank you, Mayor. Just quick question

2037
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,600
because I I wasn't following the

2038
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,520
discussions at MSSE and I appreciate the

2039
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,800
overview we've gotten here, but and as a

2040
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,800
just from the perspective of residents,

2041
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,199
what I've heard, the move to 200% over

2042
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,760
150 is something that I've seen a call

2043
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,320
for a desire for, there's a desire for

2044
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,800
to be able to to do more. Um what's the

2045
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,000
department's response? What is the

2046
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,199
concern that I feel like we haven't

2047
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:11,360
heard that piece of it yet? what why why

2048
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:12,960
did the department recommend 150 over

2049
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:13,600
200?

2050
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,760
Yeah. So, what what we've looked at and

2051
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,239
and again the the existing ordinance and

2052
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:20,239
policy really speak to trying to size

2053
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:23,280
the solar system to the customer's needs

2054
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,800
so that whatever is generated or used uh

2055
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,719
is paid for. It's offset. Basically, the

2056
01:26:28,719 --> 01:26:30,800
solar system would offset the the needs

2057
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,880
of the customer and so basically you're

2058
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,800
not paying for electricity. And what

2059
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,199
we've heard is that our existing policy

2060
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,679
of looking at annual usage is somewhat

2061
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:41,360
restrictive and doesn't allow customers

2062
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,120
to rightsize for the future. They're

2063
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,320
going to buy an EV, they're going to do

2064
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,840
an addition, maybe they're going to grow

2065
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:50,400
their family. Um, and 150% is what we

2066
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:52,800
recommended just sort of as a matter of

2067
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,800
right. Uh, that accounts for about one

2068
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,800
EV, a little bit more than one EV from

2069
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,960
our from our math. And then the thinking

2070
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,400
was beyond that. Um, if you want to go

2071
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,719
beyond 150, you you certainly can, but

2072
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:06,639
we'd like you to install a battery. And

2073
01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:08,800
the OSP, although it's not done, our

2074
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,400
carbon-f free goals in the city are

2075
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,760
going to require uh our residents to to

2076
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,159
help out and and batteries are a great

2077
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:17,760
way of doing that. And that that was the

2078
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:18,880
staff thinking.

2079
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,120
And is it a concern from the department

2080
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:24,159
or the city that if a home has more

2081
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:25,600
capacity than it needs and then the city

2082
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,600
has to buy it back, is that a financial

2083
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,719
concern from the department's

2084
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:30,000
perspective? Is that what is that where

2085
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,800
this is what's driving this?

2086
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,320
So, the time of use rates that we've

2087
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,719
been talking about with council with MSC

2088
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:39,520
within the OSP uh once we have our AMI,

2089
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:40,639
we think we're going to be able to

2090
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:42,000
address that. Right now, we're not able

2091
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,639
to. In other words, buying back power at

2092
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:47,440
12:00 p.m. when we don't need it at at a

2093
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:49,120
premium cost, it doesn't make a lot of

2094
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,760
sense for anybody. Um but but if a

2095
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,239
customer has uh battery, they can

2096
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,400
basically store that energy that's not

2097
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,560
needed at 12 and they can either use it

2098
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,320
themselves or they can sell it back to

2099
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,400
the city at a premium. So financial uh

2100
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:04,800
analysis was not part of this

2101
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,639
discussion. I can tell you that it would

2102
01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:08,239
be certainly part of something in the

2103
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:09,920
future. We've talked about it with time

2104
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:11,679
of use rates and what that looks like in

2105
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:13,840
terms of how much the city uh would

2106
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,679
would actually how much we're paying for

2107
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:18,000
power versus how much we're uh buying

2108
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,719
from our our customers. But the 150

2109
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:22,960
versus 200 and when the batter is

2110
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,960
required, you know, I think staff would

2111
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:26,880
would uh follow whatever council's

2112
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:28,239
direction was.

2113
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:29,440
Thank you for that explanation.

2114
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:30,239
Appreciate it.

2115
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:32,000
We also have public comments

2116
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:36,400
in the issue of uh of whether you know

2117
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,120
the city would buy back. That that was

2118
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:40,880
heavily debated when when we went

2119
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,719
forward. Um and it was a concern that

2120
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:47,719
people would you know um

2121
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:50,960
uh make it a profit center or that

2122
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,239
businesses would make it a profit

2123
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:54,320
center. Where we landed on it at the

2124
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:57,679
time was well you know we are interested

2125
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:01,120
is in in uh having no carbon footprint

2126
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,800
and so that was a price to pay at the

2127
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:05,280
time.

2128
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,280
Yeah. um for

2129
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:11,440
uh allowing residents to to collect.

2130
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:13,520
Right. I appreciate hearing that uh as

2131
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,800
well. If it seems like the the the

2132
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,400
technology or batteries or is not there

2133
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,800
yet or rather the cost of batteries is

2134
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,000
not there yet to make them widely

2135
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,679
available. So we have this mismatch

2136
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:25,760
between the panels and the batteries.

2137
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,000
And I don't see it as folks, you know,

2138
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,280
trying to gain the system, trying to

2139
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,280
make a profit. It's just the nature of

2140
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,800
that imbalance right now where there's

2141
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,800
going to be an excess at certain points

2142
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:36,719
of the day until we correct that until

2143
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:37,920
there's more batteries. I appreciate

2144
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,760
again hearing what the logic was with

2145
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:40,400
the the batteries.

2146
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:42,159
The other the I just want to add and

2147
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:43,760
Vujo would probably do a lot better than

2148
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,600
me, but just to share it really does

2149
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,520
help with demand on the grid as well.

2150
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,159
The the batteries do help uh alleviate

2151
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:52,560
load and I don't know if Mr. Vidian if

2152
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:53,600
you wanted to say a little bit more

2153
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,600
about that. Uh yes thank you David

2154
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,400
version of video and assistant general

2155
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:58,960
manager for power delivery division in

2156
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,120
addition to the financial aspects of it

2157
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,760
and us and the customers needing the

2158
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,320
batteries I mean uh David mentioned the

2159
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,800
imbalance like in the middle of the day

2160
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,960
there's we have excess solar and that

2161
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,880
the excess solar that comes back to our

2162
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,520
grid has an impact on our grid it can

2163
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,679
increase voltage it can over overload

2164
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:19,920
equipment and we have been upgrading our

2165
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,400
system for years this was the first year

2166
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,360
we created a specific CIP P to capture

2167
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,520
the cost to give us transparency and the

2168
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,400
public transparency how much as far as

2169
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:30,960
how much we're spending. So our concern

2170
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,760
for going anything over 150 is that that

2171
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,520
impact on our distribution system is

2172
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,520
going to be greater. So we want to be

2173
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,760
really cautious as far as what we do. We

2174
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,400
can certainly uh be back at council at a

2175
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,120
later date if we see uh what it is as

2176
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,560
far as financial impact on our

2177
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,280
distribution system, not the rates. Uh

2178
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,800
but we uh we can we can report back to

2179
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,400
council as far as what what we see.

2180
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:56,880
Yeah.

2181
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,679
You know the the debate at the time was

2182
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:02,000
heavily around we still have to pay for

2183
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,360
the distribution system and and so that

2184
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,840
was part of the the the balance we the

2185
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:09,440
council at that time was attempting to

2186
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:13,280
strike. Um, let me suggest that maybe uh

2187
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,400
since we have a substitute motion um

2188
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,639
that we support the substitute motion

2189
01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:20,560
with an amendment to send the issues

2190
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,120
raised by Mr. Hampton and Mr. Cole uh

2191
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,679
back to MSE for more thinking and then

2192
01:31:25,679 --> 01:31:29,760
come back to us. Um but um

2193
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,760
we still have public comment

2194
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,639
oh uh we still have public comment and I

2195
01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:38,400
see Mr. Lion, uh Mr. Madison and Mr.

2196
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,400
Coler are back in the queue.

2197
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,920
Thank you, mayor. Um, I we did go around

2198
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:47,400
and around about this. The batteries are

2199
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,199
an incredibly important piece of

2200
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:52,239
converting solar into a resource that we

2201
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:56,439
can use around the clock. Um, but

2202
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,400
in some ways that this number is squishy

2203
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,800
and maybe a little arbitrary. I wonder

2204
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,800
if there's not a compromised position to

2205
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,320
get to here, which is that we set the

2206
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:10,520
the entitlement at 150%. And then to go

2207
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,880
over you either have a battery system or

2208
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,840
demonstrate a need for and which is to

2209
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,480
show I'm actually purchasing a or I have

2210
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:24,800
purchased uh a second EV. Um, but you

2211
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,800
can either either get a battery system

2212
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:27,920
or demonstrate a need and then you can

2213
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,320
go to your need over

2214
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,560
150%. That may be able to bridge this

2215
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,480
together. It's unfortunate we're coming

2216
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:36,159
to this discussion now. It's a little

2217
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:38,960
peace meal. We we're we're just about to

2218
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,600
get to adopting the OSP. We know that

2219
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,159
solar is the critical component in

2220
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:48,359
getting over the 100% goal. Um, but we

2221
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,880
also are running up against the clock of

2222
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,400
the of the federal incentive running out

2223
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:54,400
at the end of the year. And so we're

2224
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,880
trying to create what we can a mechanism

2225
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,800
to incentivize people to move now if

2226
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,560
they want to do that. Um, so it it I we

2227
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,800
need to get something passed tonight.

2228
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,679
Um, and I'm I'm happy to to compromise

2229
01:33:07,679 --> 01:33:09,600
on how we do it. Council

2230
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,600
totally undermine batteries, but the if

2231
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,840
if the if that system could work, we can

2232
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,440
kind of meet both.

2233
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:17,760
Is that a friendly amendment? Oh,

2234
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:21,840
I was just want to clarify. Um, what if

2235
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,800
a resident already had an EV? Would that

2236
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,600
qualify them to get the 200%.

2237
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:28,960
Well, no. They're going to get to So,

2238
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,520
they get to go to 150% of their of their

2239
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,280
load for the last five years. Is that

2240
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,800
how we do it? So, we look at average

2241
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,239
from the last five years. they they get

2242
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:39,199
to go to 150% of that. To go over that,

2243
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:40,960
they either have to demonstrate an

2244
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:44,400
actual need, which might be another EV,

2245
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,800
it might be uh they're expanding the

2246
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,400
house. Um I don't know what other need

2247
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,400
you might have, but but um either an

2248
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,400
actual need or a battery system.

2249
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:57,440
So your EV now, at least newer EVs, act

2250
01:33:57,440 --> 01:34:01,840
as a battery system. So I my question is

2251
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,800
would that contemplate or maybe I should

2252
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,280
ask the general manager me having a EV

2253
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,360
that could generate power back to my

2254
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,600
home which most EVs have this capability

2255
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,719
now and any EV I think any EV has the

2256
01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:17,679
avail ability to do this with a device

2257
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:21,440
would that consider me as having a um a

2258
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:22,000
battery

2259
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,520
that doesn't get back to the grid just

2260
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,320
yet so the the point of the battery is

2261
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:27,679
that it would be connected to the grid

2262
01:34:27,679 --> 01:34:30,639
and So, um, we we hope to get there. Uh,

2263
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:32,320
and and I believe actually we will get

2264
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,000
there. We're we're not there yet. Where

2265
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,480
the the car batteries would serve as,

2266
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,800
uh, uh, interconnected to the grid, but

2267
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,719
it it certainly as everything that you

2268
01:34:40,719 --> 01:34:43,199
said I I believe is true. They can if

2269
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:44,960
you hook it up correctly, you can uh

2270
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,719
help power your home, but it wouldn't

2271
01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:50,919
get back to the grid. Okay. Thanks.

2272
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,520
Okay, Mr. Madison.

2273
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,159
Thank you, Mayor. I'd really just want

2274
01:34:56,159 --> 01:34:58,719
to follow up. So, did I hear that we're

2275
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:02,880
buying power that we can't use right now

2276
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,880
from residents?

2277
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,840
We under our existing net energy

2278
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,159
metering system, we we do purchase uh

2279
01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:12,960
excess power um from from our customers

2280
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:14,800
that have solar where they're generating

2281
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:16,800
more than they uh than they use.

2282
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:18,560
Even at non- peak time when we don't

2283
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:19,120
need it.

2284
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,120
Yeah. We without consideration of time.

2285
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:22,960
Yeah, that's a problem.

2286
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,120
I mean, it's a bit it's it's a problem

2287
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:26,159
just because I don't know that we

2288
01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:28,800
understand what the economics of that

2289
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,280
are, why we're doing that. So, and you

2290
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:33,400
know, my experience is batteries are

2291
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:34,800
already the prices are coming down and

2292
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,360
they're going to proliferate. So, I I

2293
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:38,800
really feel like that's where our focus

2294
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:42,639
should be. Um, and I would actually like

2295
01:35:42,639 --> 01:35:45,120
to see a maybe a just a written report

2296
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,360
about, you know, what and how much money

2297
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,679
are we spending and are we are we is

2298
01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:51,440
that taxable income to the resident? Are

2299
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:55,360
we are you issuing 1099s? Um what's

2300
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:56,000
happening there?

2301
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,800
It's in the form of credit usually. Um

2302
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,600
if they're generating more and so um

2303
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,280
well the credit's different and if what

2304
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:04,560
you're telling me is

2305
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,400
we're just rolling that into their

2306
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,600
yearly or some other measurement of of

2307
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,520
power. I think that might be okay

2308
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,360
because then they're still just

2309
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:14,960
getting the benefit of what they're

2310
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:15,600
using.

2311
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,400
Yeah. the the existing uh regulations

2312
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:21,400
call for a credit and in some instances

2313
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:22,960
they're still generating more than than

2314
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,280
what their usage is on on a rare

2315
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,400
occasion. I know that we we have issued

2316
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:27,600
checks before.

2317
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,280
Then we cut a check. So again, is that a

2318
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,920
taxable event? Are we issuing a 1099?

2319
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,800
We we are not issuing 1099.

2320
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:35,600
I I don't know why not. That should be

2321
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,840
taxable income probably, right? I mean,

2322
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,239
this needs more study than a 900 p.m.

2323
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:43,839
city council, you know, session. So,

2324
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,880
I'd like to get a report, you know, just

2325
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,440
offline from staff about all that. Thank

2326
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:51,119
you.

2327
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:53,119
No pun intended.

2328
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:55,600
Um,

2329
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:56,400
non peak.

2330
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,280
Yeah. Not non- peak hour. Uh, we do have

2331
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,280
public comment. Um,

2332
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,280
clerk.

2333
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,639
Um, Mr. Qu was in the queue, but I'll

2334
01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:11,400
I'll defer till after public comment.

2335
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,400
Sandy Kraner

2336
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:16,639
and uh I believe Yachti put in a public

2337
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:18,960
comment card for this as well.

2338
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:19,920
Hi there. Well,

2339
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,119
two minutes. Go ahead.

2340
01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:22,960
Two minutes. Okay. As I understand,

2341
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:24,719
politics is the art of the possible,

2342
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:28,320
right? Um so I think tonight it

2343
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,800
certainly makes sense to go ahead with

2344
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,800
the staff proposal for 150% batteries

2345
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,560
above that. I think as you've seen

2346
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,400
there's a certain sense of urgency. We

2347
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:40,800
got a deadline coming up at the end of

2348
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:42,800
the year because of what the

2349
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,560
administration has done to solar panel

2350
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,440
credits. Let's move out with this as

2351
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:49,119
you've got it. Now, I didn't want to

2352
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,600
address Mr. Madison's question. I don't

2353
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,800
know what the statistics are on PWP, but

2354
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:55,920
I suspect there's not a lot of people

2355
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,760
out there making a million dollars a

2356
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,119
year being power generators. There might

2357
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:02,880
be a few people that are making a couple

2358
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,280
of bucks on the side, but I suspect

2359
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,400
that's not really the concern. Um, one

2360
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,400
big thing to keep in mind here, sort of

2361
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:12,320
referring to something else that that

2362
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:13,920
you that that you're working on right

2363
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,199
now, um, certainly as Mr. Reyes uh,

2364
01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:19,400
said,

2365
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:20,719
battery storage is coming. There's a

2366
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:23,280
there part of the the plan is to put in

2367
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,280
125 megawatts, which I think is 500

2368
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:28,000
megawatt hours of batteries at at

2369
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,360
Glenarmm. Um it's really important that

2370
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,840
you proceed with the optimized strategic

2371
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,760
plan which should be putting together

2372
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:40,159
the whole story for how much um how much

2373
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:42,159
storage are we going to have at Glenarm?

2374
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:44,159
How much rooftop solar are we going to

2375
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:45,920
have? How are you going to incentivize

2376
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,560
people for ro rooftop solar? If we had

2377
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:51,360
the optimized so strategic plan

2378
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:53,280
presumably all this would come together

2379
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,600
and there'd be an understanding of how

2380
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,920
all the pieces fit together. But for

2381
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,560
now, we got the street the the urg what

2382
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,800
do they call it? The urgency that we got

2383
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:04,639
to get this one going and then we can

2384
01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:06,800
come back and revisit it. Okay. Thank

2385
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:08,800
you very much.

2386
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,400
Uh Yachti,

2387
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:15,760
I just want to say I appreciate the many

2388
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,360
discussions that there's been. As you

2389
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:18,719
probably already know, I'm a big

2390
01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:21,280
proponent of clean energy. I drive EV. I

2391
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,400
have solar. Actually, I picked the house

2392
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:25,119
that I live in right now because it

2393
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:27,360
already had panels and my lease is

2394
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:28,880
already over and I'm kind of stuck in no

2395
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:30,400
man's land when I'm trying to figure out

2396
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,960
how to upgrade. But because we're stuck

2397
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:36,000
in this conversation, I um I'm I'm stuck

2398
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,679
at trying to make a decision. And for

2399
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:39,679
example, what you guys were look saying

2400
01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:42,880
to look at the past power usage. That

2401
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,199
would be difficult. For example, in my

2402
01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:47,840
um in in my scenario where I don't use

2403
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:49,760
my gas stove because it's gas and I try

2404
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,159
not to use my gas dryer because it's gas

2405
01:39:52,159 --> 01:39:53,760
and I would like to upgrade my other

2406
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,679
appliances. So, examply, for example,

2407
01:39:55,679 --> 01:39:57,920
using a heat pump. And so, looking

2408
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,159
retroactively at my past power use

2409
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:03,679
wouldn't uh help me or be able to

2410
01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:06,239
qualify for that. And the 150 I think is

2411
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:07,760
good if that's what you settle on. And

2412
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,600
possibly I would ask maybe to look at

2413
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,639
200% or giving the flexibility of people

2414
01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:15,119
to be able to have a discussion with the

2415
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:18,800
city staff on being able to look at a a

2416
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:20,000
special accommodation. But again, just

2417
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,880
appreciate and the urgency and again I I

2418
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,800
have an EV because I was able to take

2419
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:26,719
advantage of the tax credits and I would

2420
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:28,400
try to take advantage of other programs

2421
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,719
that are available um as much as

2422
01:40:30,719 --> 01:40:33,119
possible. But that's what we would need

2423
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:34,880
our rebates and incentives to do that.

2424
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,880
Thank you.

2425
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:39,400
That completes public comment on this

2426
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:39,760
item.

2427
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,280
Okay.

2428
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,280
Uh so

2429
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,840
where are we? Mr. Jones, you're in the

2430
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:47,920
Mr. Cole followed by Mr. Jones.

2431
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,920
Yeah. Go ahead.

2432
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,520
So I I apologize that um we seem to be

2433
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,920
arguing over a relatively

2434
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,680
um small difference and that um

2435
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:01,679
philosophically I think we're all

2436
01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:03,360
aligned. I agree with Council Member

2437
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:06,800
Madison. We want batteries. We want to

2438
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,800
incentivize batteries. Um, we're talking

2439
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:14,480
about a handful of people who are going

2440
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:17,119
to take advantage of of this under any

2441
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:19,440
circumstances, right? It's probably less

2442
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:22,880
than a hundred will will actually be

2443
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,400
under this policy before we have

2444
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:29,240
batteries. And we're what are our annual

2445
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,920
electric sales, Mr. Rivas?

2446
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:34,719
Mr. Reyes?

2447
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:38,639
I have that number. Just give me one

2448
01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:40,480
second, please.

2449
01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:42,639
I don't have that data.

2450
01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:44,320
Yes.

2451
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:45,840
I

2452
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,119
I also misgendered you, so uh my

2453
01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:51,119
apologies.

2454
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:55,840
Yeah. Um but it's I think my memory is

2455
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:59,400
it's 80 million but um we're talking um

2456
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:02,480
I mean the the concerns about uh this

2457
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:04,480
this is

2458
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,239
less than a rounding error. Um,

2459
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:10,239
philosophically

2460
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:14,000
the reality is that we need 90 to 120

2461
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,880
megawatts of solar and we need a similar

2462
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,960
amount of battery and some of it's going

2463
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:20,639
to be on people's rooftops and some of

2464
01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:23,360
it's going to be municipal but we need

2465
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,360
to be moving forward on it. I would

2466
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,960
rather on the side of encouraging

2467
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:32,880
as much solar as possible. I am strongly

2468
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:36,880
in favor of um supporting batteries, but

2469
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:41,679
I think um the rather than think about

2470
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:44,560
how little we can do, I think we should

2471
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,520
be focused on how much we can do uh

2472
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,960
given the the stakes and given the

2473
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,280
timeline. We have five years to get to

2474
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:57,199
2030 and get to 100%. So, um I will not

2475
01:42:57,199 --> 01:42:59,840
support the substitute motion, but I

2476
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:04,640
understand um the you know on this issue

2477
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:10,119
I I think we're not all that far apart.

2478
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,800
Yep. 2030.

2479
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:15,440
Mr. Jones.

2480
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:18,560
Thanks, Mayor. Um Fujian, could you

2481
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:22,160
remind us why you recommended 150% and

2482
01:43:22,239 --> 01:43:23,920
not 200%.

2483
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,440
Sure.

2484
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:27,440
as Mr.

2485
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:30,400
Dis

2486
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:34,400
um

2487
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,560
so as Mr. Reyes mentioned the

2488
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,239
discussions we had we had numerous

2489
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:40,480
discussions about this topic and the

2490
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:42,639
conclusion that came we came up with is

2491
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:45,390
that the additional 50% it's

2492
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,159
approximately equal to one electric

2493
01:43:48,159 --> 01:43:49,920
vehicle. So if a household doesn't have

2494
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,320
an electric vehicle, we consider that

2495
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,440
like added that uh 50% to that which is

2496
01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:59,640
150%. One thing I want to emphasize is

2497
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:01,440
all the percentages that we're talking

2498
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:03,280
about whatever it is, whether it's 140,

2499
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,239
150, 200, whatever it is, they have a

2500
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:08,000
real impact on our distribution system.

2501
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,159
I want to emphasize that fact that

2502
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:12,719
whatever we do, any excess solar coming

2503
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:15,520
to our system has an impact. Some areas

2504
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,199
will not have much as much impact as

2505
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:21,999
other areas, but they do have an impact.

2506
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,800
Okay. Thank you.

2507
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:29,760
So, um, should we vote on the substitute

2508
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:33,679
motion and then see where we go?

2509
01:44:33,679 --> 01:44:36,159
I like Mr. Lions, but if there's no

2510
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:38,159
uptake on that,

2511
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:41,400
what was Mr. Lions? What was you said to

2512
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:43,600
go to 200% but you have to prove that

2513
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:44,320
you're getting the

2514
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:47,360
EV just the to go over 150 you either

2515
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,199
have to you either have to have a

2516
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:51,119
battery or demonstrate an actual need

2517
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:54,159
for for more and then you can do more

2518
01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:55,840
sort of blends the two.

2519
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:57,520
Prove it up.

2520
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:58,800
I could support that.

2521
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,880
I support that. I mean

2522
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,600
if you I mean if the

2523
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:05,920
if that's a substitute substitute

2524
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:07,600
Well, let's see if the substitute the

2525
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,119
maker of the motion. I think you get one

2526
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:10,560
substitute, right?

2527
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,800
Well, no, you can make it a friendly

2528
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:12,800
amendment.

2529
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:13,760
That's what I was proposing to

2530
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:15,840
substitute. Yeah, I'm amendable to that.

2531
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,440
I'd like to hear Mr. Reyes and

2532
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:20,400
your team's take.

2533
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,800
Yeah. If if the thinking was by

2534
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,400
demonstrating actual need, it's um you

2535
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:27,280
know, they're doing an ADU and it's not

2536
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:28,639
just like I'm thinking about doing an

2537
01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:31,199
ADU, but I'm here here's I have plan

2538
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:33,600
check in. I have a you know, I'm I'm

2539
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:35,600
making actual steps towards an ADU where

2540
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,840
I have a new demand. I think that makes

2541
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:39,760
a lot of sense. Uh here's registration.

2542
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,159
I'm, you know, I've purchased an EV

2543
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:44,800
versus I I think I'm going to get an EV

2544
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:45,760
in the future. And the way that we've

2545
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,960
outlined it is the 150% to sort of

2546
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,560
rightsize your system and then a

2547
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:52,480
battery. I think what I hear Mr. Lion

2548
01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:54,880
saying is that's fine, but what if

2549
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,199
someone also says, "Look, here's my

2550
01:45:57,199 --> 01:45:58,639
registration. I've got another EV. I

2551
01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:01,360
need more than 150%." And I think

2552
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:02,960
that's what I'm talking I have an EV on

2553
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:05,119
the way or I'm getting ready to

2554
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:07,840
electric appliances on the way. So, it's

2555
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:08,320
basically

2556
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:09,360
EV on the way.

2557
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,760
It's basically actual demand.

2558
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,320
Yeah, Mr. Madison.

2559
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,560
Thank you, Mayor. I think that's already

2560
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,280
in the motion. So the the second part of

2561
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:22,239
the motion is to allow greater than

2562
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:24,639
150%. Uh provided that such

2563
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,520
installations do not exceed 1 megawatt

2564
01:46:29,119 --> 01:46:31,360
or paired with an energy storage system

2565
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:33,520
which I'm hearing could be a new EV or a

2566
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:37,119
battery system and subject to localized

2567
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:39,199
grid distribution efficiency. And this

2568
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:42,159
is critical because if we're going to

2569
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:43,679
set up a system where we're buying power

2570
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:46,480
that we can't use and that that strains

2571
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:48,960
our our distribution system, that's

2572
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,000
crazy talk. So I'm com I'm comfortable

2573
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:55,600
with the uh staff recommendation which

2574
01:46:55,679 --> 01:46:58,239
already offers those things and and

2575
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:00,320
hasn't offered the the overage. I think

2576
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,800
the difference the difference is, if I

2577
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,920
may, is that if we want to if a resident

2578
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,880
wants to go from 150 to 200 because

2579
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:10,880
they're going to purchase a second

2580
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,800
electric vehicle, they would have to

2581
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,600
prove to David and his team that they

2582
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,600
have a registration or they just

2583
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,840
purchased the vehicle and they need that

2584
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:22,719
additional uh capacity. And I think

2585
01:47:22,719 --> 01:47:24,639
that's what Mr. Lion is saying. So I

2586
01:47:24,639 --> 01:47:26,320
think that's a little different from

2587
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:30,239
what's in here, which in that point

2588
01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:32,480
you're saying that that's fine as long

2589
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:34,719
as they are for sure going to have the

2590
01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:38,960
EV by the time the of the installation

2591
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:39,760
of the solar.

2592
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:41,679
What it lets us do is know that there's

2593
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:44,000
not going to be excess generation that's

2594
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,920
not stored. So if they have excess

2595
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,560
generation over the 150%, it's because

2596
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:49,440
they're using it.

2597
01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:50,960
We're meeting their need. And then if

2598
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:52,960
you're if you don't need it, then you

2599
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,280
got to be storing it. So it sort of

2600
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:56,560
accomplishes both goals.

2601
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,360
Yeah. I'm struggling with um how that's

2602
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,480
not in part B. And to me is only about

2603
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:04,639
the battery. It's not about your excess

2604
01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:06,159
need.

2605
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:09,600
But the the EV is a battery.

2606
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,159
Yep. The EV is not a battery. Actually

2607
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:13,920
shut that down. It's not a battery. that

2608
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:15,679
I mean the technology it is a battery

2609
01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:17,520
but um that's the where the technology

2610
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:19,600
is but they're saying that they're not

2611
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,520
they're not recognizing that.

2612
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:24,000
Okay. Even for even for the home you're

2613
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,440
not recognize that as a storage system

2614
01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:28,800
that the home can use.

2615
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,159
Yeah. From from our perspective in terms

2616
01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:32,880
of looking at the the reasons that Mr.

2617
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:34,960
Adian talked about the the number and

2618
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,960
the reason for the battery storage is

2619
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,440
really to help protect the grid and also

2620
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:42,480
to uh to offset some of uh the demand

2621
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:45,400
that we need at the peak time. So uh and

2622
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:46,960
the car batteries just aren't there yet

2623
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:48,480
for to help the grid.

2624
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:52,400
Okay. And does the motion the amendment

2625
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,560
to the amendment include grid

2626
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:57,280
sufficiency as being a factor or is

2627
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,520
Yeah. All of the other technical pieces

2628
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,800
that are here need to remain. Yeah.

2629
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:04,800
So I'm I'm fine with it.

2630
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:05,679
Yeah. I would accept the amendment then

2631
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:08,480
to the substitute if that's the intent.

2632
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:11,440
Just a addition, right? Yeah.

2633
01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:13,280
Yeah.

2634
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,400
Mark, do you have that? Um

2635
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:17,679
it was a lot, Mark.

2636
01:49:17,679 --> 01:49:21,520
It is a lot. Uh also to make a note, the

2637
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:24,520
we've distributed a revised resolution.

2638
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:29,840
Um the it's a revision to um page two of

2639
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,520
the resolution.

2640
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,560
uh item number one in the resolution

2641
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:36,639
second line and it's to remove the word

2642
01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:39,920
new. So I think this addresses the to

2643
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,880
apply to existing and not just new solar

2644
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:44,960
systems. So that's resolutions in front

2645
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,119
of you. It's an amended resolution. So I

2646
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:49,600
would assume that that's part of the

2647
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:50,400
Yes. Yes.

2648
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:52,400
Okay.

2649
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:57,400
Okay. Um

2650
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:00,480
all set.

2651
01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:02,000
So to vote on the

2652
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,119
So uh

2653
01:50:03,119 --> 01:50:03,920
substitute motion

2654
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:05,440
vote on the substitute motion as

2655
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:08,440
amended. Um are there objections?

2656
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:15,119
Okay. Thank you. Uh uh matter passes

2657
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:16,880
unanimously.

2658
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:18,880
Thank you everyone for your input and

2659
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:20,880
participation and patience.

2660
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:22,880
We are on to

2661
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:24,320
You don't look as charged up as I

2662
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,720
thought you would be.

2663
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:30,800
Pun intended. Okay,

2664
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:34,639
we're on to item 11.

2665
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:36,880
Took a minute.

2666
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,800
I was laughing, but I was like, man.

2667
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,719
All right. All right.

2668
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:44,159
I'll keep

2669
01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:47,280
I'll keep both my day jobs. Um, next

2670
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,680
next matter is item 11.

2671
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,400
It's pennies.

2672
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:54,400
Pennies.

2673
01:50:56,639 --> 01:50:58,880
And there are 11 speaker cards on item

2674
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:00,880
11.

2675
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:11,360
The mayor had to step out for a moment,

2676
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:12,800
but I believe

2677
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:13,199
we lost our

2678
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:14,960
Oh, did we also lose our quum as well?

2679
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:16,000
No, we have five.

2680
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:17,440
Oh, no. I'm sorry. Thank you.

2681
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:19,119
So, we can continue. I believe we'll

2682
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:20,480
start with the staff recommendation on

2683
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:21,280
this item.

2684
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,000
Yes. vice mayor the hour where we have a

2685
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,880
presentation teed up or if you'd like to

2686
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,440
uh have questions or we can

2687
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:31,360
yeah what's the will of the council on

2688
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,679
this item and uh council member Hampton

2689
01:51:33,679 --> 01:51:36,239
this is in your district so look to you

2690
01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:36,719
first

2691
01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:38,400
yes I've gone through this uh thoroughly

2692
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,360
and um I do have some questions but I

2693
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:42,400
don't know if everybody needs a

2694
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,800
presentation on it if we don't need a

2695
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:45,280
presentation I could go straight into

2696
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:45,840
the questions

2697
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:47,679
yeah I think that's appropriate so thank

2698
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:48,159
you

2699
01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:49,920
um first and foremost I want to thank um

2700
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,920
staff for um doing all the work and

2701
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:55,199
making sure that we got all the legal um

2702
01:51:55,199 --> 01:51:58,000
eyes dotted and tees crossed um for the

2703
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,480
process. Now, part of the um staff

2704
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:03,440
report, it recommends um demolishing the

2705
01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:04,480
buildings.

2706
01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:06,159
Yes, sir.

2707
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:08,800
um

2708
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:11,280
as a part of the RF. So, so I'll just

2709
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,520
start with off with why don't we make

2710
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,800
that the ownest of whoever is awarded

2711
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:20,960
the RFP to do a um I guess a building

2712
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:23,360
analysis to see if the if the buildings

2713
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:25,679
actually need to be demolished and have

2714
01:52:25,679 --> 01:52:28,639
them pay for their own um structural

2715
01:52:28,639 --> 01:52:30,960
engineer, etc. to go out to to check to

2716
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:32,800
see if those buildings need to be

2717
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,800
demolished.

2718
01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:36,480
Council member Hampton that that is an

2719
01:52:36,480 --> 01:52:37,920
option available to the council if that

2720
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,920
is a direction. Our direct our

2721
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,800
recommendation to demolish the buildings

2722
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:43,520
uh is

2723
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:46,000
more a result of the recent uh

2724
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,239
assessment done by our city's risk

2725
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:50,560
management team safety officer in the

2726
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:53,400
visit and the all the the the condition

2727
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:54,400
of the buildings that were further

2728
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:55,679
deteriorated from back when it was

2729
01:52:55,679 --> 01:52:58,560
adopted in 2010. Um, that's the reason

2730
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,800
why the city's position, the staff's

2731
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:02,880
recommendation is to look at demolishing

2732
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,400
the building to to open the opportunity

2733
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,920
for a new construction that can probably

2734
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,679
better suit the proposals that are going

2735
01:53:09,679 --> 01:53:11,199
to be coming forward.

2736
01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:13,840
I think that um we would only get a few

2737
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,000
proposals if we demolish all the

2738
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,679
buildings because whatever organization

2739
01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:20,159
comes forward would have to have multi

2740
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:22,719
millions upon millions of dollars to be

2741
01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:24,639
able to to do the work that we would

2742
01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:27,199
like to see in this um in this place. I

2743
01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:29,199
think that onus if even if another

2744
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:30,639
organization has millions and millions

2745
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:32,480
of dollars and they say we want to tra

2746
01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:34,000
we want to demolish all these buildings

2747
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,159
and start a fresh that's their option

2748
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:37,679
but I think any other organization

2749
01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:39,760
that's going to apply for this RFP

2750
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:41,360
should have the option to look at the

2751
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,599
buildings that are existing to see if

2752
01:53:43,599 --> 01:53:45,599
they are able to refurbish those in any

2753
01:53:45,599 --> 01:53:48,800
way. So that would be one of the items

2754
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:53,360
um that I would ask uh you my colleagues

2755
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,320
um to just make the onest whoever is the

2756
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,720
awardee of the RFP.

2757
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:02,800
The other um piece is in your staff

2758
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,960
report it says that RFP is going to take

2759
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:06,960
12 months.

2760
01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:09,679
Yes, we uh we estimate about six months

2761
01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:12,159
to prepare the RFB process, have it

2762
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:14,400
reviewed by multiple departments and

2763
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:16,320
ensure it is prepared and everything is

2764
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,800
captured and the release and the process

2765
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:21,199
of receiving the RFPs, reviewing, doing

2766
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:23,520
the interviews of the proposers. We're

2767
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,280
estimating between 6 months for the

2768
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:26,880
first portion, six months for the other

2769
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:29,400
about one year overall. I think that

2770
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:31,119
that is a u very prolonged period of

2771
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:33,280
time and we mentioned this at um finance

2772
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,360
at least I mentioned it at finance and I

2773
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:37,280
said that a lot of the work has already

2774
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:39,280
been done and there's been a lot of work

2775
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,360
um towards this it seems like we've been

2776
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:43,280
talking about this building or these

2777
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:46,800
structures um for the past 3 years or so

2778
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:50,000
um and so because we have so much work

2779
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:51,599
and you guys have already done all the

2780
01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:53,440
work to talk to all the different

2781
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,599
departments you talked to um the water

2782
01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:57,360
board etc to make sure that this could

2783
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:58,960
all be approved Now that we've gotten

2784
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:02,800
this far, um I would like to see um a

2785
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:05,119
RFP issued within the next 90 days. That

2786
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:07,119
would be

2787
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:12,159
No. No. And and those are my two um

2788
01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:15,280
issues with the staff's proposal or or I

2789
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,920
mean if it's not 90 days, you let me

2790
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:19,599
know. I mean, it seems like we're able

2791
01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:21,760
to get RFPs out in 90 days. That seems

2792
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,760
like the the going and that was what was

2793
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:25,360
brought up in finance according to my

2794
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,360
notes that I wrote on the day that we

2795
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,119
talked in finance. Can you hold that

2796
01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:31,599
thought cuz I want to make sure I I we

2797
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:33,520
didn't just make a mistake. Given the

2798
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:37,720
importance of item 14, the fire um uh

2799
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:44,320
issue um the because of the late hour,

2800
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,800
uh I don't I think it's best to put it

2801
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:49,840
off for a couple of weeks. Uh allow

2802
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:51,840
public comment. um

2803
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:56,880
to go forward. Um so we would allow

2804
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:58,719
public comment to go forward and then

2805
01:55:58,719 --> 01:55:59,920
take the matter up.

2806
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:02,960
Just to clarify, item 14 is the fire

2807
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,599
department's plan, not not this item.

2808
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:07,360
The fire department the

2809
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:08,800
informationational item.

2810
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:09,760
It's anformational item,

2811
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:11,440
not for action.

2812
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:12,320
Um

2813
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,239
it's not it's not this item.

2814
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:15,440
It's not this item.

2815
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:17,679
It is item 14. It is the fire

2816
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:20,400
department's 10year strategic plan and

2817
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:23,599
and look forward. That's the last item.

2818
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:25,920
It's anformational item. I It's not this

2819
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,320
item. Seeing your looks.

2820
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:31,400
Yeah, it's not this item.

2821
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:33,360
We're on item 11 right now. Yeah,

2822
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:35,840
we're saying item 14 is not happening.

2823
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:38,159
We're on 11 right now.

2824
01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:40,480
14 is not happening. We're on 11 right

2825
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:41,199
now.

2826
01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:42,320
14's not happening.

2827
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:45,119
And 14 is also an important issue. And I

2828
01:56:45,119 --> 01:56:46,960
don't want us to give it, you know,

2829
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:48,560
short trip. I think we should have fresh

2830
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:49,280
minds and

2831
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:52,000
and and so there are five public comment

2832
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:54,639
cards submitted for item 14 on the fire

2833
01:56:54,639 --> 01:56:56,639
department. If you are here for that,

2834
01:56:56,639 --> 01:56:57,280
we can hear

2835
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,280
we can hear your public comments after

2836
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:02,400
we get to that item and it's going to

2837
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:04,400
come back in the future. So you can wait

2838
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:07,400
near future a few weeks,

2839
01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:09,679
a couple weeks. they can wait until the

2840
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:11,679
you can wait until we get to item 14

2841
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:13,199
when we're going to continue it to

2842
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:16,239
another meeting or you can um come back

2843
01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:17,920
when it's back on the agenda.

2844
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:21,280
I just don't want people to wait um and

2845
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:23,400
then the matters put off because of the

2846
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:25,440
hour. So I apologize.

2847
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,880
Um so with that um

2848
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:31,440
item 11,

2849
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:33,440
back to item 11.

2850
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:38,159
Should

2851
01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:41,679
we take public comments for item 11? We

2852
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:42,239
could do that.

2853
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:44,320
The other Oh, so there were only two

2854
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,560
things that I had mentioned um about the

2855
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:48,159
staff report. Otherwise, I'm supportive

2856
01:57:48,159 --> 01:57:48,880
of it.

2857
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:50,320
I've noted them. Council member,

2858
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,320
thank you.

2859
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,800
Vice Mayor, do you want to do public

2860
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:55,199
comment?

2861
01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:55,599
Yeah.

2862
01:57:55,599 --> 01:57:57,599
Okay. So, we'll do public comment on

2863
01:57:57,599 --> 01:58:00,239
item 11. Uh Dr. Treasure Shepard,

2864
01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:02,800
followed by Charles Thomas, followed by

2865
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:04,560
Brandon Hammerly, followed by Jackie

2866
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:06,560
Heny.

2867
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:09,199
If you hear your name, come forward. Is

2868
01:58:09,199 --> 01:58:11,599
Dr. Treasure Shepard here?

2869
01:58:12,639 --> 01:58:13,520
Left.

2870
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:14,560
Okay.

2871
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:15,840
You are Charles Thomas.

2872
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:16,960
I am Charles Thomas.

2873
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:18,000
Great.

2874
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:19,920
Welcome, Mr. Thomas. You have two

2875
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:20,719
minutes. Go ahead.

2876
01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:24,000
Way to small riot. That was really smart

2877
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:26,400
of you to clarify that. Thank you. This

2878
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:27,920
is 11.

2879
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,000
This is This is 11. All right. So,

2880
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:31,679
tonight we're going to be voting on this

2881
01:58:31,679 --> 01:58:35,119
RFP that is pretty important to a lot of

2882
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:37,440
people obvious as you can see. Uh and

2883
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:39,280
it's important because it's going to

2884
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,159
have profound impacts on workforce

2885
01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:44,559
development, providing jobs, promoting

2886
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:47,280
environmental and

2887
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:51,360
uh um racial justice, addressing climate

2888
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:54,560
change, and creating major opportunities

2889
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:57,199
for community healing. The restoration

2890
01:58:57,199 --> 01:59:00,320
of the Hamonga annex and creek are two

2891
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:04,800
ideas whose time has come. And to quote

2892
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:06,960
uh Victor Hugal, nothing is as powerful

2893
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:11,400
as an idea whose time has arrived. These

2894
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:14,000
are community uh solutions addressing

2895
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:17,360
systemic social problems. And uh the

2896
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,440
need for a conservation job training

2897
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:21,679
center, the need for green more green

2898
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:24,239
space, the need for community healing is

2899
01:59:24,239 --> 01:59:27,239
immediate. These are today's problems

2900
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:29,520
that will eventually become tomorrow's

2901
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,400
crisis if they're not uh addressed. And

2902
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:35,280
as Dr. King often described it there,

2903
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,560
this is the type of need that's also

2904
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:41,199
referred to as the fierce urgency of

2905
01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:45,119
now. So before you vote yes to the staff

2906
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:47,519
recommendation, please consider amending

2907
01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:49,520
the motion to consider these three

2908
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:52,800
things. One, as noted in items number

2909
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:55,199
two and five of the staff recommendation

2910
01:59:55,199 --> 01:59:57,119
uh asking the council to authorize a

2911
01:59:57,119 --> 01:59:58,960
demolition of six buildings, please

2912
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:01,679
allow a comprehensive feasibility study

2913
02:00:01,679 --> 02:00:04,719
to make the definitive uh determination

2914
02:00:04,719 --> 02:00:08,880
for demolition. Now, um I don't try to

2915
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:11,199
brag much, but I am internationally

2916
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:13,440
known as a leader in environmental

2917
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:16,239
education and uh mission excellence. And

2918
02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:18,880
I can assure you that the existing

2919
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:21,520
layout of those buildings of the annex

2920
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:24,000
buildings are perfectly set up to

2921
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:26,800
develop a worldclass environmental

2922
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:29,360
education center. Uh, and regarding uh

2923
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:32,560
the last item referring to the one-year

2924
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:35,400
timing of the RFP, now I've worked at

2925
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:36,960
three federal agencies. I'm almost done

2926
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:39,400
here. I've worked at the Army Corps of

2927
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:40,400
Engineers. I've worked at the Forest

2928
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:41,920
Service, and I've worked at the National

2929
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:43,679
Park Service. And each of these

2930
02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:46,480
agencies, I've always had an input on

2931
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:49,360
developing RFPs. Now, we know the

2932
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:52,159
federal government is notoriously slow

2933
02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:55,920
for uh getting stuff done and moving at

2934
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:58,560
a glacial pace. Well, when we worked

2935
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:00,960
when I worked on these RFPs, they

2936
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:04,320
typically got these RFPs out in 90 days

2937
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:06,719
or no longer than 6 months for projects

2938
02:01:06,719 --> 02:01:08,159
much longer than

2939
02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:11,599
Mr. the the annex. Yes, I'm I'm wrapping

2940
02:01:11,599 --> 02:01:13,679
right now. So it should take about 3

2941
02:01:13,679 --> 02:01:16,639
months and um with the amount of

2942
02:01:16,639 --> 02:01:18,480
information studies and documents that

2943
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:20,480
have already been written and if it does

2944
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:22,719
take more than that then I would highly

2945
02:01:22,719 --> 02:01:24,480
recommend that you either give Mr.

2946
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:27,199
Penosian more staff or you give him new

2947
02:01:27,199 --> 02:01:28,800
staff.

2948
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:30,159
So I appreciate the time and I

2949
02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:32,400
appreciate you guys consideration on

2950
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:35,400
this. Thank you. Brandon Hammerly

2951
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:40,560
followed by Jack Heny and then Dave uh

2952
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:42,239
Wishoff.

2953
02:01:42,239 --> 02:01:43,520
Good evening everybody. My name is

2954
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:45,360
Brandon Hammerly. I am the project

2955
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:47,119
manager for Creek, the Climate

2956
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:48,480
Resilience Environmental Education

2957
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:50,960
Center working for OBA. Um I just want

2958
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:52,239
to clarify from the last time we were

2959
02:01:52,239 --> 02:01:53,520
here those questions about who is the

2960
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:54,800
lead organization. Outwardbound

2961
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,679
Adventures is the lead organization um

2962
02:01:57,679 --> 02:02:00,880
for this Creek initiative. Okay. So um

2963
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:02,800
just want to make sure that's really

2964
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:03,599
clear. We're responsible for managing

2965
02:02:03,599 --> 02:02:05,360
the project. We're responsible for

2966
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,440
responding to the RFP, carrying it

2967
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:08,960
through a feasibility study, and

2968
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,280
ensuring it has sustainable political

2969
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:13,119
and financial support. So, I want to

2970
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:15,599
tell you you all a little bit about the

2971
02:02:15,599 --> 02:02:17,520
political and financial support we

2972
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,320
currently already have before this RFP

2973
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:23,400
is released. Um, we have secured the

2974
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:25,119
following support. The Santa Monica

2975
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:28,800
Mountains Conservancy has promised a

2976
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:31,800
$250,000 grant to fund the feasibility

2977
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:33,280
study and the planning of the creek

2978
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:35,840
project if OBA is awarded and becomes

2979
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:39,360
the tenant under the RFP. Senator Perez

2980
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:41,599
and Assembly Member Harbedian have

2981
02:02:41,599 --> 02:02:43,520
jointly submitted a letter to the state

2982
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:45,360
legislature to support in support of

2983
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:47,599
this project and have requested a direct

2984
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:50,320
allocation of $3 million to fund the

2985
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:52,560
creek initiative from Prop 4 funding.

2986
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:54,480
So, we have right here a joint letter

2987
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:57,199
from Harbedian as well as Perez. Um,

2988
02:02:57,199 --> 02:03:00,400
it's in the legislature as we speak. Um,

2989
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:02,320
we submitted a public access grant to

2990
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:04,000
the state wildlife conservation board

2991
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:07,520
for $3.5 million. It is currently also

2992
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:09,679
being considered um with the pending of

2993
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:12,719
the release of this RFP. Um, we have

2994
02:03:12,719 --> 02:03:15,400
also met with and engendered the support

2995
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:17,760
of Susie Nemer and Supervisor Katherine

2996
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:20,000
Barger. um and they will be supporting

2997
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,400
our submittal of a $500,000 grant uh for

2998
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:25,760
planning and design under their RPOSD.

2999
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:28,960
Um so we've been busy, okay, uh getting

3000
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:32,560
a lot of support for this initiative. Um

3001
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:34,239
I'm really worried about the momentum of

3002
02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:38,400
it um getting a road a roadblock, a

3003
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:41,280
speed bump if you will, um because of

3004
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:43,840
this RFP taking so long. So, a whole

3005
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:45,760
year, all of that amazing support that

3006
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:47,760
we have right now, all that momentum we

3007
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:50,239
have, I'm worried about a year-long RFP

3008
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:52,639
really derailing some of that. So, just

3009
02:03:52,639 --> 02:03:55,840
please act on that uh excitement that's

3010
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:58,800
happening. Please don't um miss the

3011
02:03:58,800 --> 02:03:59,840
opportunities that are before you. I

3012
02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:01,440
want you all to be champions of this.

3013
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:02,560
You have a great chance.

3014
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:03,360
Jackie Hy,

3015
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:04,880
I'm going to introduce Jackie and she's

3016
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:06,480
going to tell you a little bit about how

3017
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:08,800
we want to go about this. uh

3018
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:11,400
followed by Dave Wishoff, followed by

3019
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:13,360
Emily Hob Hopkins, and then Heavenly

3020
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:14,159
Hughes.

3021
02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:15,920
And I'd like to request that Tristan

3022
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:17,920
Walker go behind me in the order. We

3023
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:22,120
submitted his card. Um if that's okay,

3024
02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:24,560
is that okay?

3025
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:25,440
I'll say it's okay.

3026
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:27,840
That's fine. I don't see Mr. Walker, but

3027
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:29,280
I'll uh

3028
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:30,880
refresh. Maybe it's there. Go ahead. You

3029
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:31,520
have two minutes.

3030
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:33,440
Okay. Uh good evening, council members.

3031
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:34,880
My name is Jackie Henzy. I'm

3032
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:36,639
representing Stainer Architects and so

3033
02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:39,440
is Tristan in a proono capacity to offer

3034
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:41,280
our professional opinion in support of

3035
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:43,440
transforming the Hahaonga annex into

3036
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:44,880
Creek's vision for an environmental

3037
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:46,880
education center and a living resource

3038
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:49,280
for our community. I'd specifically like

3039
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:51,400
to present our findings on the condition

3040
02:04:51,400 --> 02:04:52,960
of the annex buildings and implore the

3041
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:55,520
council to consider adaptive reuse with

3042
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,119
imagination. These buildings can be

3043
02:04:57,119 --> 02:04:59,520
transformed into a modern code compliant

3044
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:01,920
and usable environmental education

3045
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:04,639
center. Viability of reuse has been

3046
02:05:04,639 --> 02:05:06,159
confirmed by a licensed structural

3047
02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:08,159
engineer, Matthew Melnik of Noose

3048
02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:10,000
Engineering, and we perform an initial

3049
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:12,800
life cycle analysis. Our investigation

3050
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:14,400
confirms that this project is not only

3051
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:15,840
viable from structural and layout

3052
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:17,520
perspectives, but offers significant

3053
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:19,400
environmental benefits relating to

3054
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:21,400
greenhouse gas emissions and solid waste

3055
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:22,880
reductions. A building's initial

3056
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:25,599
construction emits more greenhouse gas

3057
02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:27,119
emissions than during its entire

3058
02:05:27,119 --> 02:05:29,360
operational lifespan. It can take up to

3059
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:31,440
80 years for energy reduction strategies

3060
02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:34,159
to overcome this initial carbon impact.

3061
02:05:34,159 --> 02:05:35,920
These buildings already exist and the

3062
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:37,440
carbon from their construction is in the

3063
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:39,679
atmosphere. Earth has paid the carbon

3064
02:05:39,679 --> 02:05:41,679
price for these structures. Our

3065
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:43,520
responsibility is to reuse what we have

3066
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:45,119
and consider new construction when

3067
02:05:45,119 --> 02:05:47,520
there's no other viable choice. By

3068
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:49,199
reusing just the concrete walls and

3069
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:52,199
foundations, we conserve 317 metric tons

3070
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:55,679
of carbon dioxide. That's equivalent to

3071
02:05:55,679 --> 02:05:59,279
the annual energy usage of 139 typical

3072
02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:03,119
Pasadena homes or the carbon absorbed by

3073
02:06:03,119 --> 02:06:07,599
318 acres of US forests in one year. In

3074
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:09,280
addition, reusing these structures will

3075
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:12,000
divert 968 tons of solid waste from

3076
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:14,400
landfills and the associated carbon

3077
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:16,400
emissions from hauling and dumping.

3078
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,239
We're confident the existing masonry

3079
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:20,159
walls and foundations can be repurposed

3080
02:06:20,159 --> 02:06:22,639
to meet or ex meet or exceed the

3081
02:06:22,639 --> 02:06:24,800
structural provisions of the 2025

3082
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:26,960
California building code. The buildings

3083
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:28,800
are well suited for selective demolition

3084
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:30,480
to transform the annex into something

3085
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:32,960
entirely new. This could involve

3086
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:35,400
expanding openings for more natural

3087
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:36,239
your time is expired.

3088
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:37,520
Raising the ceiling heights and

3089
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:38,960
incorporating a new roof to conjoin

3090
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:40,400
existing structures to create outdoor

3091
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:42,400
classrooms. Thank you.

3092
02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:45,280
So, I'm going to pull Tristan Walker out

3093
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:47,280
of the order

3094
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,239
and and we don't generally do that.

3095
02:06:50,239 --> 02:06:52,000
Followed by Dave Wishoff, then Emily

3096
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:52,639
Hopkins.

3097
02:06:52,639 --> 02:06:54,790
Please step forward if you hear your

3098
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:54,800
name.

3099
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:56,960
Thank you for the flexibility. Um, good

3100
02:06:56,960 --> 02:06:58,400
evening, council members. My name is

3101
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:00,719
Tristan Walker. I'm also here

3102
02:07:00,719 --> 02:07:02,400
representing Stainer Architects as a

3103
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:05,679
proono capacity. Um, we wanted to raise

3104
02:07:05,679 --> 02:07:08,639
a concern that extensive demolition will

3105
02:07:08,639 --> 02:07:10,320
negatively impact the health of the

3106
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,719
existing oak trees on the site. An

3107
02:07:12,719 --> 02:07:14,560
assessment by a certified arborist Matt

3108
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:17,679
Riberitch um identified that two trees

3109
02:07:17,679 --> 02:07:20,159
in proximity to the four structures with

3110
02:07:20,159 --> 02:07:22,159
a diameter of breast height of over 60

3111
02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:25,440
in. These trees qualify as heritage oaks

3112
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:27,280
and the largest is already stressed and

3113
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:29,920
needs immediate care. Heavy machinery

3114
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:31,520
from total demolition and new

3115
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:33,199
construction will compact the soil

3116
02:07:33,199 --> 02:07:35,400
around the trees, reducing their access

3117
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:37,440
to water, oxygen, and nutrients. While

3118
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:39,840
debris will contaminate the soil, the

3119
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:41,760
widespread presence of invasive mustard

3120
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:43,520
seed on the site is competing with the

3121
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:46,790
oak trees for resources, making the

3122
02:07:46,790 --> 02:07:47,840
trees vulnerable to disease, drought,

3123
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:49,599
and fire.

3124
02:07:49,599 --> 02:07:51,520
A large pile of dead wood and mulch on

3125
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:53,840
site further increases fire risk and can

3126
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:56,560
introduce invasive beetles identified as

3127
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:58,400
a significant threat specifically to

3128
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:01,119
mature oaks. There's an immediate need

3129
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:02,800
for on-site intervention to protect

3130
02:08:02,800 --> 02:08:05,280
these heritage oaks. We encourage

3131
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:07,400
council to approve Creek's request to

3132
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:09,199
introduce a motion to amend agenda item

3133
02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:11,520
number two from potential demolition to

3134
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:14,520
selective demolition and agenda item

3135
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:16,960
number five from demolish and rebuild to

3136
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:19,760
adaptively reuse. This is a project that

3137
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:21,679
aligns directly with Pasadena's climate

3138
02:08:21,679 --> 02:08:24,159
action plan. It prioritizes reusing

3139
02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:26,560
existing buildings, reducing waste, and

3140
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:28,960
limiting new construction. This is a

3141
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:30,800
project that benefits our community and

3142
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:32,400
our environment. and I urge you to

3143
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:34,790
define the parameters for an RFP that

3144
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:36,320
prioritizes adaptive reuse, a

3145
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:37,760
construction model essential to our

3146
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:40,790
collective future. Thank you very much.

3147
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:40,560
Thank you.

3148
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:43,920
Thank you. Um David Dave Wishoff

3149
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:46,239
followed by Emily Hopkins and then

3150
02:08:46,239 --> 02:08:47,760
Heavenly Hughes.

3151
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:50,639
Hello. Uh Mayor Gordo, I'm Pasadena City

3152
02:08:50,639 --> 02:08:52,159
Council. I'm David Weissoff, vice

3153
02:08:52,159 --> 02:08:53,840
president and conservation chair of

3154
02:08:53,840 --> 02:08:56,480
Pasadena Ottabbon Society and wish to

3155
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:58,480
emphasize the importance of expediting

3156
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:00,719
the issuance of the RFP as well as

3157
02:09:00,719 --> 02:09:03,719
accelerating the RFP decision process

3158
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:06,400
and signing a contract to proceed. The

3159
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:07,920
Creek the Creek Coalition

3160
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,159
enthusiastically working for over three

3161
02:09:10,159 --> 02:09:13,400
years on the project is ready now to

3162
02:09:13,400 --> 02:09:16,790
reply to the RFP quickly, completely and

3163
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:18,159
in response to the needs of the

3164
02:09:18,159 --> 02:09:20,719
community. As you're aware, the annex

3165
02:09:20,719 --> 02:09:22,239
area of the watershed park has been

3166
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:24,239
derelic for many years. It is a

3167
02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:26,719
temporary rotating dumping ground for

3168
02:09:26,719 --> 02:09:28,560
tons of miscellaneous dead trees,

3169
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:31,520
leaves, trunks, creating a fire hazard

3170
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:34,790
and a risk of personal injury and

3171
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:36,239
beetles. The vacant buildings are

3172
02:09:36,239 --> 02:09:38,400
unattended and at risk of vandalism as

3173
02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:41,119
well as inviting personal injuries and

3174
02:09:41,119 --> 02:09:43,599
other hazards to park users who might

3175
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:46,320
visit the location day or night just on

3176
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:48,400
an occasional basis. And we have seen

3177
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:51,440
that going through the the area uh

3178
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:54,000
individuals and also small groups of

3179
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:56,400
children going through the this property

3180
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:58,400
in its current state. The mission of

3181
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:00,159
Pasadena Ottabon is to bring the

3182
02:10:00,159 --> 02:10:02,639
excitement of birds to our community

3183
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:05,390
through birding education conservation

3184
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:08,199
of bird habitats. Pasadena Ottabons

3185
02:10:08,239 --> 02:10:10,320
actively supports these activities but

3186
02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:12,800
is severely limited by the lack of

3187
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:15,599
suitable venues to do so. Especially

3188
02:10:15,599 --> 02:10:17,840
since each eaten Canyon is closed and

3189
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:20,800
will not be reopened for many years. We

3190
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:23,840
forecasted we could readily provide free

3191
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:26,240
public education, recreational, and

3192
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:29,360
conservation offerings at Creek nine

3193
02:10:29,360 --> 02:10:32,400
times a month, more than trebling our

3194
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:35,400
support to passing area families,

3195
02:10:35,679 --> 02:10:38,790
schools, and multicultural demographics.

3196
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:43,840
And not only will we be three times the

3197
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:46,840
number of events, educational programs,

3198
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:50,159
etc., But we are currently limited to 25

3199
02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:52,719
people per per meeting by by what we

3200
02:10:52,719 --> 02:10:53,679
have access.

3201
02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:55,679
Your time is we could triple that.

3202
02:10:55,679 --> 02:10:57,360
Sir, your time is up. We want to be fair

3203
02:10:57,360 --> 02:10:58,000
to everyone.

3204
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:00,880
The time is now quickly to thank you.

3205
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:01,840
Thank you.

3206
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:04,790
Emily Hopkins, followed by Heavenly

3207
02:11:04,790 --> 02:11:06,800
Hughes, followed by Marcus Rener, then

3208
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:08,800
Jessica Blickley,

3209
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:11,760
then Marcos Aguilar.

3210
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:14,320
Go ahead.

3211
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:17,119
Hi. Um, members of council and Mayor

3212
02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:18,880
Gordo, thank you for having me today.

3213
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:22,239
Um, I am a resident of district 1. My

3214
02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:24,800
name is Emily Hopkins, uh, and current

3215
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:27,760
resident. I'm back. Um, executive

3216
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:29,199
director of Sid Street Projects and

3217
02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:31,920
Creek Coalition member. Um, I am

3218
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:33,679
actually reading a public statement on

3219
02:11:33,679 --> 02:11:35,840
behalf of our communications manager,

3220
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:37,760
Stephanie Ailles, who is also a District

3221
02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:39,440
1 resident because she is born and

3222
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:41,119
raised here, and I think that her

3223
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:43,760
experience speaks more to the urgency.

3224
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:45,920
My name is Stephanie Ailles. I am a

3225
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:48,239
proud District 1 resident, the daughter

3226
02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:50,790
of Salvador and immigrants and a first

3227
02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:52,320
generation college graduate. I grew up

3228
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:54,560
in Pasadena. I attended Washington

3229
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:56,239
Elementary and Middle School and John

3230
02:11:56,239 --> 02:11:58,320
Mir High School. I am here today not

3231
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,239
only as a community member but a proud

3232
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:01,840
team member of the visual arts

3233
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:03,599
organization side street projects who

3234
02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:06,560
deeply values the city. The Haha Manga

3235
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:08,719
an annex has great potential to become a

3236
02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:11,360
vibrant community hub by uplifting local

3237
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:13,440
voices and engaging residents through

3238
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:16,000
art and more. For example, I can see our

3239
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,840
free intergenerational art skillshares

3240
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:20,880
workshops being a place of sanctuary for

3241
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:22,639
folks to connect with community centered

3242
02:12:22,639 --> 02:12:25,280
artists and learn new skills. I still

3243
02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:26,960
remember school field trips with my

3244
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:28,880
grandma to the Eaten Canyon Nature

3245
02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:30,800
Center learning about my backyard's

3246
02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:33,119
wildlife. Now, imagine something like

3247
02:12:33,119 --> 02:12:35,760
that in Northwest Pasadena, offering

3248
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:37,760
programs in intergenerational art and

3249
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:40,159
environmental education. This is the

3250
02:12:40,159 --> 02:12:41,920
future I envision and I hope you'll

3251
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:43,920
support it by releasing the RFP as soon

3252
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:46,000
as possible so that we can get to work.

3253
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:46,880
Thank you.

3254
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:47,440
Thank you.

3255
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:49,400
Good timing. Thank you.

3256
02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:51,400
Well, actually, you

3257
02:12:51,599 --> 02:12:53,760
Hello. Hello. Hello. It's so great to

3258
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:55,520
see all of your faces tonight. We're

3259
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,840
still up and at it, right? This this

3260
02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:00,320
topic is the most important topic to us

3261
02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:02,639
right now. So, I'm glad that it was not

3262
02:13:02,639 --> 02:13:05,679
being moved to another night. Um, we

3263
02:13:05,679 --> 02:13:07,360
really want to Everything's been said,

3264
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:09,280
right? Everything's been said. It's very

3265
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:12,480
important. Um, why we want to have this

3266
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:14,790
environmental

3267
02:13:14,790 --> 02:13:16,000
climate, all the things, right? The

3268
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:18,400
climate, the environment, education,

3269
02:13:18,400 --> 02:13:21,400
inclusive, diversity, healing in nature,

3270
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:24,239
all the things that we need right now in

3271
02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:26,400
our community. It's available. It's

3272
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:28,320
before us. It's right here before us.

3273
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:30,560
All we have to do is vote and say let's

3274
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:33,119
get this RFP. We want to say yes to

3275
02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:35,760
that. Yes to the RFP and we want to make

3276
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:38,239
some adjustments saying let's get it

3277
02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:41,199
within the next next 90 days because

3278
02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:44,790
what I understand is that the haha manga

3279
02:13:44,790 --> 02:13:47,520
annex has been sitting for over 20 years

3280
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:50,400
right so it's been dormant like death

3281
02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:51,920
kind of like a space that's been

3282
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:54,960
grieving although it has all this um

3283
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,920
life that can be activated right in that

3284
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:00,480
space right I'm actually experiencing

3285
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:02,880
that with all my neighbors in Aladena

3286
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:05,920
right Now we're grieving, right? We want

3287
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:09,119
to activate this space. And when we see

3288
02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:12,790
that places like Hahaanga annex sitting

3289
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:14,639
for 20 years is a little discouraging

3290
02:14:14,639 --> 02:14:16,880
because we we don't want to see that

3291
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:18,560
happen in Aladino. We don't want to see

3292
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:20,560
that happen in Pasadena where places are

3293
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:23,560
sitting 20 years dormant waiting for

3294
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:27,199
decisions to be made. So I'm just glad

3295
02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:29,400
that decisions are going to be made

3296
02:14:29,400 --> 02:14:32,560
tonight to activate this space to be

3297
02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:35,440
able to say let's get this RFP out there

3298
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:38,239
so decision so people can apply for the

3299
02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:42,000
RFP. Um when you do the RFP RFP is

3300
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:45,199
giving access to many people to uh be a

3301
02:14:45,199 --> 02:14:47,280
part of it. Although I think the Creek

3302
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:51,360
Coalition is very prepared. Um yes we

3303
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:54,639
are. Yes we are. um yet we are we

3304
02:14:54,639 --> 02:14:56,719
understand that this opportunity needs

3305
02:14:56,719 --> 02:14:58,639
to be a process and so let's get this

3306
02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:00,480
process going. Thank you so much for

3307
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:01,400
listening.

3308
02:15:01,400 --> 02:15:01,360
Thank you.

3309
02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:03,119
Thank you Miss Hughes.

3310
02:15:03,119 --> 02:15:06,480
So then it's Marcus Rener, Jessica

3311
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:08,880
Blickley, then Marcos Aguilar and then

3312
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:10,639
Anna Soul River.

3313
02:15:10,639 --> 02:15:12,639
Okay. Thank you. I'm just going to coast

3314
02:15:12,639 --> 02:15:14,719
on Heaven Heavenly's energy that she

3315
02:15:14,719 --> 02:15:17,360
just brought. Um, I'm speaking to you as

3316
02:15:17,360 --> 02:15:20,000
somebody who just uh finished a dissert

3317
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,790
PhD dissertation from UC Davis in

3318
02:15:22,790 --> 02:15:23,760
geography on environmental justice in

3319
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:26,880
Pasadena and along the Aoyo. And I just

3320
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:28,480
want to underscore the real opportunity

3321
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:30,560
to address environmental justice which

3322
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:33,360
is as I understand it a required mandate

3323
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:35,400
of the state to incorporate into our

3324
02:15:35,400 --> 02:15:36,880
general plan.

3325
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:38,480
A lot of this opportunity has to do with

3326
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:40,719
the history. 25 years before the first

3327
02:15:40,719 --> 02:15:42,239
uh environmental justice summit in

3328
02:15:42,239 --> 02:15:45,239
Washington DC, Outerbound Adventures was

3329
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,840
taking young people of color into the

3330
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:49,280
outdoors and introducing them to

3331
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:51,280
conservation careers.

3332
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:55,199
There's a place for the co-founders of

3333
02:15:55,199 --> 02:15:57,440
OBA, Helen Mary Williams, Helen and

3334
02:15:57,440 --> 02:16:00,159
Leroy Chris, and Bud Ross to be embraced

3335
02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:02,159
by the city in the pantheon of civil

3336
02:16:02,159 --> 02:16:04,719
rights leaders in line with Jackie

3337
02:16:04,719 --> 02:16:07,360
Robinson, in line with Octavia Butler.

3338
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:09,280
that this is an opportunity because of

3339
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:12,880
this history to honor it. Um

3340
02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:15,440
before getting a PhD, I got did a wrote

3341
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:16,880
a master's thesis on conservation

3342
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:19,599
education. Um there was a distinction

3343
02:16:19,599 --> 02:16:21,520
made uh at the finance committee meeting

3344
02:16:21,520 --> 02:16:24,320
between nature education as Eden Canyon

3345
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:26,800
and workforce development. But the best

3346
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:28,560
environmental education connects nature

3347
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:31,119
education, our plants and wildlife, um,

3348
02:16:31,119 --> 02:16:32,880
to how we treat each other, to how we

3349
02:16:32,880 --> 02:16:34,479
build and power our cities, to how we

3350
02:16:34,479 --> 02:16:36,160
manage our water, to environmental

3351
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:37,760
engineering, to the environmental

3352
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:40,479
careers young people dream of, and to

3353
02:16:40,479 --> 02:16:43,599
the workforce skills that they need to

3354
02:16:43,599 --> 02:16:45,359
make those dreams a reality. Not many

3355
02:16:45,359 --> 02:16:47,679
environmental education groups take on

3356
02:16:47,679 --> 02:16:49,760
that challenge, but that's what Creek

3357
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:52,639
aspires to. Um, so there's a real

3358
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:54,559
opportunity here. I know you're just

3359
02:16:54,559 --> 02:16:56,639
approving the RFP, but thinking about

3360
02:16:56,639 --> 02:16:59,200
building and honoring the OBA founders

3361
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:01,519
and um not only teaching about nature,

3362
02:17:01,519 --> 02:17:03,359
but joining that with workforce

3363
02:17:03,359 --> 02:17:05,679
development for conservation careers and

3364
02:17:05,679 --> 02:17:07,679
starting green businesses for Pasadena.

3365
02:17:07,679 --> 02:17:08,000
Thank you.

3366
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:08,399
Thank you.

3367
02:17:08,399 --> 02:17:10,399
Thank you,

3368
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:13,639
Jessica Blickley, followed by Marcos

3369
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:16,760
Aguilar, then Anna Soul River.

3370
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:19,679
Thank you. Good evening. My name is

3371
02:17:19,679 --> 02:17:21,439
Jessica Blickley and I'm Pr I'm a

3372
02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:23,840
professor at Pasadena City College where

3373
02:17:23,840 --> 02:17:25,519
I've been teaching biology for the last

3374
02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:28,800
12 years. I'm here to speak in strong

3375
02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:30,240
support of Creek and the RFP for the

3376
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:32,640
Haha Watershed Park annex.

3377
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:37,400
In our classes at PCC, we use the Haha

3378
02:17:37,400 --> 02:17:39,760
Watershed Park and the Aoyo as a living

3379
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:41,439
laboratory.

3380
02:17:41,439 --> 02:17:43,359
It's a critical part of our curriculum

3381
02:17:43,359 --> 02:17:45,400
where students apply the academic

3382
02:17:45,400 --> 02:17:46,719
knowledge and technical field skills

3383
02:17:46,719 --> 02:17:49,519
that they are learning in class. um by

3384
02:17:49,519 --> 02:17:51,439
collecting real data and engaging in

3385
02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:54,439
authentic research beyond the academic.

3386
02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:56,800
For many students that have grown up

3387
02:17:56,800 --> 02:17:58,160
here, these trips are their first

3388
02:17:58,160 --> 02:17:59,840
opportunity to connect with the nature

3389
02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:02,639
in their own backyard. I have seen it

3390
02:18:02,639 --> 02:18:04,719
time and again. These experiences in the

3391
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:07,760
Aoyo spark a genuine and lasting

3392
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:09,519
connection to the natural world and

3393
02:18:09,519 --> 02:18:11,919
inspire careers in conservation,

3394
02:18:12,800 --> 02:18:13,920
environmental science, and environmental

3395
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:15,679
education.

3396
02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:18,000
Creek will amplify this work. The

3397
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:19,679
proposed environmental education center

3398
02:18:19,679 --> 02:18:21,280
will provide a permanent home for

3399
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:23,200
hands-on learning both in the classrooms

3400
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:26,240
and in the field. Equally important, it

3401
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:28,479
will serve as a vital hub to connect

3402
02:18:28,479 --> 02:18:30,719
students with community members and

3403
02:18:30,719 --> 02:18:32,880
environmental organizations that are

3404
02:18:32,880 --> 02:18:35,359
working here in our local community.

3405
02:18:35,359 --> 02:18:37,400
Environmental education for the

3406
02:18:37,400 --> 02:18:39,519
community and by the community.

3407
02:18:39,519 --> 02:18:41,120
Crucially, it will also provide

3408
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:42,880
essential job training for envir

3409
02:18:42,880 --> 02:18:45,120
environmental and conservation careers,

3410
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:48,000
preparing the next generation to face

3411
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:50,319
our most pressing climate challenge.

3412
02:18:50,319 --> 02:18:51,599
Creek represents more than an

3413
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:53,280
environmental education center. It's a

3414
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:55,120
community-driven investment in

3415
02:18:55,120 --> 02:18:57,439
Pasadena's future. I urge you to move

3416
02:18:57,439 --> 02:18:59,280
forward without delay by expediting the

3417
02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:02,280
RFP process and avoiding unnecessary

3418
02:19:02,319 --> 02:19:04,800
demolition. Our students and our

3419
02:19:04,800 --> 02:19:07,599
community need this center now. Thank

3420
02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:08,960
you for your time and your support in

3421
02:19:08,960 --> 02:19:10,399
bringing this initiative to life.

3422
02:19:10,399 --> 02:19:12,399
Thank you.

3423
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:16,640
Marcos Aguilar Fab River

3424
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:32,160
My name is Marcos Aguilad. I serve as an

3425
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:34,160
executive director of Anawa Kalmechak.

3426
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:35,679
We're the only indigenous people school

3427
02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:38,399
in all of Los Angeles County. I'm also a

3428
02:19:38,399 --> 02:19:40,319
head of the Secat Community Development

3429
02:19:40,319 --> 02:19:42,160
Corporation by which we liberated 12

3430
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:44,479
acres of land in Northeast LA that were

3431
02:19:44,479 --> 02:19:46,479
rematriated to the Gabalino Shashon

3432
02:19:46,479 --> 02:19:48,319
Nation. And through those partnerships,

3433
02:19:48,319 --> 02:19:50,640
we met and uh collaborated much more

3434
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:52,800
closely with Outwardbound Adventures and

3435
02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:55,840
are here to support the the initiative.

3436
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:57,680
I'm here to express my support for item

3437
02:19:57,680 --> 02:19:59,359
11 on the agenda today regarding the

3438
02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:02,160
Haamonga watershed park annex area. I'd

3439
02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:04,000
like to add my voice of support for the

3440
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:05,439
concept of the climate resilience

3441
02:20:05,439 --> 02:20:07,520
education center as proposed by the

3442
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:09,120
coalition including outwardbound

3443
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:10,720
adventures and San Gabriel Ban and

3444
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:13,400
Mission Indians among others. As a Nawa

3445
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:14,720
Mexican indigenous educator, I look

3446
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:16,800
forward to including the proposed

3447
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:18,240
concepts of the of the park annex as a

3448
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:19,840
future learning site for millions of

3449
02:20:19,840 --> 02:20:21,920
indigenous children, youth, and families

3450
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,160
from across North America who make the

3451
02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:26,800
greater Los Angeles area, including

3452
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:29,200
Pasadena their home, our home as we grow

3453
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:30,880
in our autonomous approaches to

3454
02:20:30,880 --> 02:20:33,359
indigenous education across the county.

3455
02:20:33,359 --> 02:20:35,400
However, with regards to the SQUA

3456
02:20:35,400 --> 02:20:36,720
exemption, we urge the council to

3457
02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:38,640
conduct formal tribal consultation with

3458
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:40,720
all local tribes in compliance also with

3459
02:20:40,720 --> 02:20:43,920
AB52 as a proper and necessary course of

3460
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:45,760
action and a requirement respecting

3461
02:20:45,760 --> 02:20:47,280
tribal self-determination and

3462
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:49,280
sovereignty. Thank you very much.

3463
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:51,280
Thank you. And

3464
02:20:53,200 --> 02:20:55,200
Anna Soul River,

3465
02:20:55,439 --> 02:20:56,960
welcome back.

3466
02:20:56,960 --> 02:20:59,680
I'm back. Um, good evening again.

3467
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:01,920
Tonight, I want to emphasize one thing,

3468
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:03,439
alignment. We say we want

3469
02:21:03,439 --> 02:21:05,359
sustainability, equity, and climate

3470
02:21:05,359 --> 02:21:07,439
resilience, but our actions must align

3471
02:21:07,439 --> 02:21:09,600
with those values, especially here in a

3472
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:12,160
place like Hahaonga. We pass an adaptive

3473
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:13,920
reuse ordinance. We can't invest in

3474
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:15,600
climate education through projects like

3475
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:17,520
Creek. And yet, we're still proposing

3476
02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:19,760
demolition of usable structures without

3477
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:22,399
full exploration of reuse. That's not

3478
02:21:22,399 --> 02:21:24,720
alignment. That's contradiction. If

3479
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:26,399
we're serious about climate action,

3480
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:28,800
adaptive reuse isn't optional. It's

3481
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:31,400
essential. is how we reduce carbon,

3482
02:21:31,400 --> 02:21:33,400
preserve cultural memory, a model

3483
02:21:33,400 --> 02:21:35,440
responsible land stewardship. Hahaonga

3484
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:37,359
is sacred ground ecologically and

3485
02:21:37,359 --> 02:21:39,439
historically. Let's not erase what

3486
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:41,359
exists before we're asked the right

3487
02:21:41,359 --> 02:21:43,920
questions. And let's also practic be

3488
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:47,200
practical. The longer we delay an RF FP

3489
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:48,800
and clear guidance, the more these

3490
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:50,720
buildings deteriorate, making reuse

3491
02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:52,880
harder, slower, and more expensive. Time

3492
02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:55,439
is money. Streamlining adaptive reuse as

3493
02:21:55,439 --> 02:21:57,760
the first choice and offering incentives

3494
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:00,240
can actually save time and resources

3495
02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:02,960
while staying true to ourselves. I urge

3496
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:04,720
you to amend the recommendation tonight

3497
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:06,800
and to prioritize adaptive reuse before

3498
02:22:06,800 --> 02:22:08,720
moving forward. Not as a symbolic

3499
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:10,399
gesture, but as a real commitment to

3500
02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:12,960
sustainability, to history, and to the

3501
02:22:12,960 --> 02:22:15,280
future we keep talking about. Let's lead

3502
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:17,359
by example and put our policies into

3503
02:22:17,359 --> 02:22:19,280
practice. Thank you.

3504
02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:19,760
Thank you.

3505
02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:21,760
Thank you, ma'am.

3506
02:22:22,319 --> 02:22:24,240
That completes public comment on this

3507
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:25,280
item. Be

3508
02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:28,319
before we get to council members, maybe

3509
02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:32,160
a response to RFP options to address

3510
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:34,560
reuse versus uh new.

3511
02:22:35,400 --> 02:22:38,399
Yes, Mayor Gordo, uh safety has been our

3512
02:22:38,399 --> 02:22:39,920
priority as it relates to the

3513
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:41,280
recommendation of demolishing the

3514
02:22:41,280 --> 02:22:42,800
buildings. Having heard from the

3515
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:44,560
community, there is an opportunity in

3516
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:46,720
the RFP process if council directs. We

3517
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:49,520
can incorporate a feasibility study to

3518
02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:52,800
have a firm come in and do the study and

3519
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:54,240
recommend which buildings selectively

3520
02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:55,840
can be demolished and which ones can be

3521
02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:57,600
preserved for use for adaptive reuse.

3522
02:22:57,600 --> 02:22:58,960
That is an option we can incorporate in

3523
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:00,399
the RFP if that is council's

3524
02:23:00,399 --> 02:23:02,399
recommendation.

3525
02:23:02,800 --> 02:23:05,680
Okay. Thank you, Mr. And that uh just

3526
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:07,760
for clarification on that um that would

3527
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:10,319
be um paid for by the applicant or the

3528
02:23:10,319 --> 02:23:13,120
awardee of the RFP. Correct.

3529
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:15,400
Yes, council member Hampton that is the

3530
02:23:15,400 --> 02:23:17,600
intent is once we release the RFP and we

3531
02:23:17,600 --> 02:23:19,840
will do our utmost best to expedite it

3532
02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:21,840
as fast as possible to release it within

3533
02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:24,560
the timelines being requested. uh and

3534
02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:26,399
within the RFP will highlight the fact

3535
02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:29,520
that the operator and proposers would be

3536
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:31,359
responsible for the feasibility study

3537
02:23:31,359 --> 02:23:33,359
the you know the adaptive reuse the

3538
02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:35,400
construction necessary rehabilitation as

3539
02:23:35,400 --> 02:23:37,920
well as the operation of the site

3540
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:39,760
you mentioned exped I'm so sorry to

3541
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:41,600
everybody that's in the queue but you

3542
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:43,680
mentioned expedite and this is what I

3543
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:45,840
was talking about before when we were

3544
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:47,840
playing musical chairs what does that

3545
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:48,800
mean

3546
02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:49,680
the RFP process

3547
02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:51,920
the RFP process to have it you would

3548
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:53,920
expedite it

3549
02:23:54,479 --> 02:23:56,800
Go go go go go go ahead and then we'll

3550
02:23:56,800 --> 02:23:56,640
get back to

3551
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:58,800
Yeah, council member Hender, our intent

3552
02:23:58,800 --> 02:23:59,760
is to make sure we capture everything

3553
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:01,439
that should be within the RFP and

3554
02:24:01,439 --> 02:24:03,400
consulting with the departments that

3555
02:24:03,400 --> 02:24:04,960
should be consulted as well as the LA

3556
02:24:04,960 --> 02:24:07,600
County's RPOSD given that the grant we

3557
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:09,400
want to make sure they're comfortable

3558
02:24:09,400 --> 02:24:10,479
because they had given a grant. It's in

3559
02:24:10,479 --> 02:24:12,160
the report uh uh the area was

3560
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:13,680
rehabilitated and they should have a

3561
02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:15,600
say. So part of that process is we're

3562
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:18,000
buying safe timeline to not commit for a

3563
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:21,600
shorter time frame yet allow us actual

3564
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:23,359
reasonable time to put the RFP together

3565
02:24:23,359 --> 02:24:25,439
and release it. So uh we will do our

3566
02:24:25,439 --> 02:24:27,400
best to release it as fast as possible

3567
02:24:27,400 --> 02:24:28,960
but there's still the evaluation and the

3568
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:30,800
interview process that comes afterwards.

3569
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:32,560
So that is our goal. The intent is to do

3570
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:33,920
the best we can to release it sooner

3571
02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:35,760
than intended in the report.

3572
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:37,920
Okay, Mr. City Manager.

3573
02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:39,520
Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I just want to

3574
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:41,680
emphasize something Koko said because,

3575
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:43,200
you know, we looked at this, went back

3576
02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:45,200
three years and and there's been a long

3577
02:24:45,200 --> 02:24:46,880
process here. We wanted to dot the eye

3578
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:48,319
and cross the tees and I thank the

3579
02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:50,319
public for and the community for giving

3580
02:24:50,319 --> 02:24:52,000
us that time to get it right. And I

3581
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:54,800
think now we bring forward a report that

3582
02:24:54,800 --> 02:24:56,960
really has us ready to move forward. Uh,

3583
02:24:56,960 --> 02:24:58,640
however, you know, it is important to

3584
02:24:58,640 --> 02:25:00,160
remember the buildings have sat vacant

3585
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:02,880
for since 2004. That's in the report.

3586
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:05,200
So, 21 years there's been a lot of

3587
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:06,800
damage to them. There's been theft.

3588
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:08,240
there's been a lot of infrastructure

3589
02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:11,760
that's, you know, vandalized. Um, and I

3590
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:13,120
myself went to go see it. I wasn't

3591
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:14,880
allowed to go in because of the dangers

3592
02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:16,800
associated with it. So, I I think we

3593
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:18,240
need to be careful on the safety

3594
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:20,800
component. And I think what uh Mr.

3595
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:22,479
Ponosian is telling me and telling us is

3596
02:25:22,479 --> 02:25:25,280
that we can work into the RFP process a

3597
02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:28,240
way to safely do a feasibility study to

3598
02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:30,560
see what can and can't be saved or

3599
02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:32,319
reused, what needs to be demolished, and

3600
02:25:32,319 --> 02:25:34,640
we can enter into that exercise in good

3601
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:38,000
faith. But I also do want uh everyone to

3602
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:41,120
be mindful of our own safety office went

3603
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:43,840
out and identified all kinds of safety

3604
02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:45,840
issues. Asbestous lead, all of the

3605
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:47,840
hazardous materials that are from a

3606
02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:49,280
different era that we still have to

3607
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:51,520
contend with. Uh but we can again work

3608
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:53,920
that into an RFP. And as you suggested,

3609
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:55,359
Council Member Hampton, that would be on

3610
02:25:55,359 --> 02:25:57,200
the proponents, whoever it is, because

3611
02:25:57,200 --> 02:25:58,880
we we're going through an RFP in good

3612
02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:01,400
faith. We don't know who's going to um

3613
02:26:01,400 --> 02:26:03,600
submit proposals, but we can uh engage

3614
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:05,359
in that process so that we can vet it

3615
02:26:05,359 --> 02:26:07,759
carefully and and safely.

3616
02:26:09,400 --> 02:26:11,280
Mr. Msudo, followed by Mr. Cole, then

3617
02:26:11,280 --> 02:26:13,439
Mr. Jones and Mr. Madison.

3618
02:26:13,439 --> 02:26:15,520
You know, thank you very much for uh

3619
02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:17,359
letting us know what this is all about.

3620
02:26:17,359 --> 02:26:19,920
In fact, I asked them the question from

3621
02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:23,200
just on on the side here about the u uh

3622
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:26,160
the feasibility study and and trying to

3623
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:28,399
preserve the buildings if possible. and

3624
02:26:28,399 --> 02:26:29,840
and now we're hearing from the city

3625
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:32,399
manager saying how how it's kind of a

3626
02:26:32,399 --> 02:26:35,120
real dangerous situation right now

3627
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:37,920
because of safety uh concerns.

3628
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:41,280
Is there a possibility of start going

3629
02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:43,600
into that direction of trying to save

3630
02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:47,400
the buildings at least some of them?

3631
02:26:47,400 --> 02:26:49,920
Council member medicine um sorry council

3632
02:26:49,920 --> 02:26:52,880
miss yes there's opportunity is there uh

3633
02:26:52,880 --> 02:26:55,760
and it would have to be determined by a

3634
02:26:55,760 --> 02:26:57,200
consultant we bring on board or the

3635
02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:58,560
proposal we bring on board to do that

3636
02:26:58,560 --> 02:27:00,720
study. It is there there is room. The

3637
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:03,120
safety officer has identified methods of

3638
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:04,800
entry to the building, access to the

3639
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:06,399
building to you know play it safe, wear

3640
02:27:06,399 --> 02:27:08,800
N95 masks. So we'll have to put criteria

3641
02:27:08,800 --> 02:27:10,880
as to who can get access to the building

3642
02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:12,240
and what type of work should be done.

3643
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:13,359
They could all be incorporated in the

3644
02:27:13,359 --> 02:27:14,479
RF.

3645
02:27:14,479 --> 02:27:17,120
I certainly like the idea when uh the

3646
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:19,200
the the speakers were talking about

3647
02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:21,120
educational purposes and that that

3648
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:23,520
that's really great, but the adapted

3649
02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:25,920
reuse is what caught my attention. So

3650
02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:29,359
thank you for your uh of studying that.

3651
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:33,840
Thank you. Um, Mr. Cole, followed by Mr.

3652
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:35,359
Jones

3653
02:27:35,359 --> 02:27:37,359
and

3654
02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:39,520
Mr. Madison.

3655
02:27:39,520 --> 02:27:41,200
I appreciate Mr. Massuda and Mr.

3656
02:27:41,200 --> 02:27:43,920
Hampton's uh, comments about expediting

3657
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:47,200
the RFP and about um, uh, doing

3658
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:49,359
everything we can to look at adaptive

3659
02:27:49,359 --> 02:27:52,000
reuse. I I'm going to be unusually

3660
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:55,840
direct, mayor, because I find this to be

3661
02:27:55,840 --> 02:27:57,840
a surreal situation.

3662
02:27:58,960 --> 02:28:03,680
I understand why we um are not just

3663
02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:06,800
partnering automatically with Creek.

3664
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:08,720
This is public property and we have an

3665
02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:11,760
obligation uh to to have an open

3666
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:13,760
process.

3667
02:28:13,760 --> 02:28:16,560
But we've been at this for a couple of

3668
02:28:16,560 --> 02:28:20,760
years and literally no one in the

3669
02:28:21,400 --> 02:28:23,400
universe

3670
02:28:23,400 --> 02:28:25,680
has stepped forward and said, "I would

3671
02:28:25,680 --> 02:28:29,280
be vaguely interested in this project

3672
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:31,520
except Creek.

3673
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:39,600
We we have a broad multi-racial

3674
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:43,680
community coalition of credible,

3675
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:47,200
committed, passionate people

3676
02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:51,800
who have been on this

3677
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:56,800
like flies on fly paper for years. Mr.

3678
02:28:56,880 --> 02:28:59,840
Cole, may I may I interrupt because the

3679
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:03,120
RFP process may need to be voted on. I

3680
02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:04,560
I'm I'm not I'm going to look to the

3681
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:08,800
city attorney. The awarding of a

3682
02:29:08,800 --> 02:29:10,800
contract. Yeah.

3683
02:29:10,160 --> 02:29:12,960
Yeah. The actual contract if there are

3684
02:29:12,960 --> 02:29:14,960
multiple

3685
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:16,560
uh

3686
02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:17,920
proposal submitted.

3687
02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:20,479
Yeah. I I don't want any one of us to

3688
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:24,000
get too far ahead and be accused of

3689
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:25,600
having made up our mind before a

3690
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:27,400
contract with the comments we make

3691
02:29:27,400 --> 02:29:28,720
tonight. And so,

3692
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:30,479
yeah, you're just framing

3693
02:29:30,479 --> 02:29:33,200
Okay. right now generally not u I

3694
02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:34,640
appreciate your comments mayor but

3695
02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:36,880
and I and I would like to clarify that

3696
02:29:36,880 --> 02:29:38,240
I'm the council member that represents

3697
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:39,680
the area and there's been a lot of

3698
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:42,800
interest of those buildings

3699
02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:45,400
for for someone to propose

3700
02:29:45,400 --> 02:29:47,200
for the you the use of those buildings

3701
02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:47,680
okay

3702
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:49,400
since I've been elected

3703
02:29:49,400 --> 02:29:52,240
okay so you expect that there will be

3704
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:54,240
applicants beside Creek

3705
02:29:55,200 --> 02:29:56,720
I think that they're doing a great job

3706
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:58,399
at making sure that there are no other

3707
02:29:58,399 --> 02:30:00,399
applicants

3708
02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:02,800
I

3709
02:30:02,800 --> 02:30:04,319
So, so let me let me in in in

3710
02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:05,200
consideration

3711
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:07,439
public institutions as well who

3712
02:30:07,439 --> 02:30:10,800
in in consideration of of your comments,

3713
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:14,880
mayor, let me let me make this point.

3714
02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:18,800
Pastina Playhouse exists today. They

3715
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:21,200
just bought their building because we

3716
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:24,960
partnered with them first um with the

3717
02:30:24,960 --> 02:30:27,439
developer and then with the nonprofit

3718
02:30:27,439 --> 02:30:31,359
and and we saved um the state theater of

3719
02:30:31,359 --> 02:30:34,800
California which now um is stands stands

3720
02:30:34,800 --> 02:30:37,200
on its own self-sufficient.

3721
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:39,120
Uh the Western Justice Center,

3722
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:41,280
notwithstanding the arguments over

3723
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:43,760
whether they have weddings, exists

3724
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:46,640
because we partnered with them with a

3725
02:30:46,640 --> 02:30:51,400
lease um for a building that um has had

3726
02:30:51,400 --> 02:30:54,400
really significant contributions to our

3727
02:30:54,319 --> 02:30:57,359
community. We have a Norton Simon Museum

3728
02:30:57,359 --> 02:31:01,200
where we still pay to do the landscaping

3729
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:05,200
there. Um, we've partnered with one Aoyo

3730
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:08,880
who have raised money and and done

3731
02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:10,399
projects.

3732
02:31:10,399 --> 02:31:13,399
We have a extraordinarily long-standing

3733
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:15,920
partnership with an organization called

3734
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:20,000
the Tournament of Roses um where we are

3735
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:21,520
intimately

3736
02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:23,760
um connected to them financially and

3737
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:25,760
logistically. Um

3738
02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:30,920
and uh the Pastina Armory exists because

3739
02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:34,160
uh this city partnered with them. Um

3740
02:31:34,160 --> 02:31:37,600
okay, we'll go through an RFP process,

3741
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:41,400
but I think the way to expedite this is

3742
02:31:41,400 --> 02:31:43,400
not to exhaustively

3743
02:31:44,319 --> 02:31:46,719
create all of the 17,000

3744
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:49,600
possibilities

3745
02:31:49,600 --> 02:31:51,600
uh legal, logistical,

3746
02:31:52,479 --> 02:31:55,920
financial, etc. but rather to see who is

3747
02:31:55,920 --> 02:31:59,280
actually viable. That's more like a a

3748
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:02,800
request for interest. Um, and then to

3749
02:32:02,800 --> 02:32:05,520
enter into not just negotiations

3750
02:32:05,520 --> 02:32:08,960
about how we can protect ourselves seven

3751
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:11,680
ways from Sunday, but how we can

3752
02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:15,280
actually bring into birth as we did the

3753
02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:18,560
parade and the bowl, the Norton Simon

3754
02:32:18,560 --> 02:32:20,960
Museum, the Pasadena Playhouse,

3755
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:24,399
um, the Western Justice Center, the

3756
02:32:24,399 --> 02:32:26,720
Armory Center for the Arts. These were

3757
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:29,720
products of the city partnering

3758
02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:32,640
with community organizations. And I

3759
02:32:32,640 --> 02:32:35,120
would like to see if if we have a

3760
02:32:35,120 --> 02:32:38,720
community organization who wins this RFP

3761
02:32:39,200 --> 02:32:42,399
that we not try to solve every problem

3762
02:32:42,399 --> 02:32:45,200
beforehand, but rather we find a viable

3763
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:47,840
partner and then we try to solve the

3764
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:50,960
problems with them so that we end up

3765
02:32:50,960 --> 02:32:52,880
with a great project. And I think if

3766
02:32:52,880 --> 02:32:54,960
that's our approach, there is no

3767
02:32:54,960 --> 02:32:57,840
question that we can get this out on the

3768
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:00,399
street in 90 days. And if we have

3769
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:02,880
multiple applicants, great. We'll go

3770
02:33:02,880 --> 02:33:05,840
through the process, weigh the um the

3771
02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:09,840
pluses and minuses. But if as I suspect

3772
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:13,280
we only have a very small number of

3773
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:17,920
viable um applicants then uh we can get

3774
02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:20,720
to moving forward to bringing this dream

3775
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:24,320
into realization. That's my approach um

3776
02:33:24,720 --> 02:33:25,359
to this.

3777
02:33:25,359 --> 02:33:28,240
Thank you Mr. Cole. Um I don't think

3778
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:30,240
anybody disagrees

3779
02:33:31,400 --> 02:33:32,640
I don't think anybody disagrees with the

3780
02:33:32,640 --> 02:33:34,160
partnership and the importance of

3781
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:37,760
working with partners. the the the

3782
02:33:37,840 --> 02:33:40,640
examples you use, however, none of them

3783
02:33:40,640 --> 02:33:43,400
were subject to an RFP.

3784
02:33:43,400 --> 02:33:46,000
None of them were subject to the legal

3785
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:48,560
implications and ramifications if we

3786
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:52,760
don't follow the RFP process and law.

3787
02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:57,680
This one is subject of an RFP and it's

3788
02:33:57,680 --> 02:34:00,560
we're bound by our by our own rules in

3789
02:34:00,560 --> 02:34:04,760
handling an RFP as well as um

3790
02:34:05,359 --> 02:34:06,880
state and

3791
02:34:06,880 --> 02:34:09,359
what's what's the state law on RFPs? Uh

3792
02:34:09,359 --> 02:34:10,160
I understand the state

3793
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:11,680
we have to be fair and we can't it has

3794
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:14,640
to be competitive. You you can't just

3795
02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:16,160
say we're going to issue an RFP and and

3796
02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:17,120
where in the where in the state

3797
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:18,319
predetermined that there's

3798
02:34:18,319 --> 02:34:21,319
code does it say that?

3799
02:34:22,960 --> 02:34:24,880
There's no rules for requests for

3800
02:34:24,880 --> 02:34:26,880
proposals for cities that

3801
02:34:26,880 --> 02:34:28,880
for a competitive RFP and this is

3802
02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:30,560
there is not mayor. There is there is

3803
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:32,960
for bidding. Yes, absolutely.

3804
02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:37,439
There is absolutely for surplus property

3805
02:34:37,439 --> 02:34:40,319
but we're making a choice about our

3806
02:34:40,319 --> 02:34:43,400
property and there's no state rules on

3807
02:34:43,400 --> 02:34:43,760
that

3808
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:46,800
but we've made a decision to have a

3809
02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:48,960
competitive and open process. That's the

3810
02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:49,760
rule

3811
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:52,319
and and we have our charter and our code

3812
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:53,920
that we would follow with respect to

3813
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:56,160
that the city not as

3814
02:34:56,160 --> 02:34:58,160
it's there.

3815
02:34:58,240 --> 02:35:00,640
I understand that but that it's not it's

3816
02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:03,400
not factual to say there's state law on

3817
02:35:03,400 --> 02:35:04,960
this that applies here. It is we have

3818
02:35:04,960 --> 02:35:07,520
our own rules and our own laws. We issue

3819
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:09,920
RFIs. We issue RFPs.

3820
02:35:10,319 --> 02:35:13,200
Um, and this should, in my view, look

3821
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:15,359
more like an RFI.

3822
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:17,359
That's competitive and it should be

3823
02:35:17,359 --> 02:35:20,800
competitive. But the reality is is that

3824
02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:23,760
um, we don't have to have an exhaustive

3825
02:35:23,760 --> 02:35:26,479
um, process if we end up with one or two

3826
02:35:26,479 --> 02:35:27,400
applicants.

3827
02:35:27,400 --> 02:35:28,399
That's not what I'm suggesting. And if

3828
02:35:28,399 --> 02:35:30,479
we didn't follow our own rules on a

3829
02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:33,120
competitive RFP, you better believe the

3830
02:35:33,120 --> 02:35:34,960
attorney general would be down here from

3831
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:37,200
the state attorney general to call us on

3832
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:38,560
that. And that's what I mean by

3833
02:35:38,560 --> 02:35:40,560
following state rules.

3834
02:35:40,720 --> 02:35:42,479
So, we should follow our own rules.

3835
02:35:42,479 --> 02:35:44,160
That's all I'm suggesting. Find a

3836
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:46,800
partner. F follow our rules. Find a

3837
02:35:46,800 --> 02:35:48,240
partner and work with them as you

3838
02:35:48,240 --> 02:35:50,880
suggest in partnership. But if we don't,

3839
02:35:50,880 --> 02:35:53,600
the the state implication comes from the

3840
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:56,960
attorney general if we don't do that or

3841
02:35:56,960 --> 02:36:00,560
or somebody else. So, um Mr.

3842
02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:03,920
Jones,

3843
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:05,760
thanks, Mayor. I only need like five

3844
02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:08,560
minutes. Uh, Koko, you said that we

3845
02:36:08,560 --> 02:36:11,600
could do a feasibility study um to look

3846
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:14,479
at rehabbing the buildings instead of

3847
02:36:14,479 --> 02:36:16,000
demoing them, right? So, you can

3848
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:18,560
incorporate that into your RFP.

3849
02:36:18,560 --> 02:36:20,800
Correct. Council member Jones. The what

3850
02:36:20,800 --> 02:36:21,680
what I said was incorporate a

3851
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:23,280
feasibility requirement, feasibility

3852
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:25,400
study requirement in the RFP. So the

3853
02:36:25,400 --> 02:36:26,479
successful proposals would have to

3854
02:36:26,479 --> 02:36:28,319
conduct that hiring the right

3855
02:36:28,319 --> 02:36:30,319
consultants and determination of that

3856
02:36:30,319 --> 02:36:32,800
study can help guide us which buildings

3857
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:34,319
should or should not be demolished or

3858
02:36:34,319 --> 02:36:35,840
selectively choosing which buildings

3859
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:36,960
must be demolished based on the

3860
02:36:36,960 --> 02:36:37,600
findings.

3861
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:40,319
Okay, cuz I'm I'm interested in in

3862
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:42,160
repurposing the buildings and adapting

3863
02:36:42,160 --> 02:36:44,240
for use of those buildings. And then the

3864
02:36:44,240 --> 02:36:46,720
second part was the RFP doesn't

3865
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:48,800
necessarily have to take one year,

3866
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:50,720
right? You can expedite the process and

3867
02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:52,960
like how soon could you get it out?

3868
02:36:52,960 --> 02:36:54,640
Council member Jones, I don't want to

3869
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:56,240
put a timeline. It's a matter of

3870
02:36:56,240 --> 02:36:58,560
resources and sometimes things do get

3871
02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:00,160
delayed and held up and I just don't

3872
02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:01,760
want to put a timeline. We feel six

3873
02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:03,600
months would have been appropriate. It

3874
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:05,280
gives us enough time of whatever delays

3875
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:06,800
we might experience at the different

3876
02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:08,399
levels, different organizations that we

3877
02:37:08,399 --> 02:37:10,160
have to work with. But the goal now

3878
02:37:10,160 --> 02:37:12,479
based on the direction is to expedite it

3879
02:37:12,479 --> 02:37:14,800
to get it to uh to be released sooner

3880
02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:16,160
than the six month.

3881
02:37:16,160 --> 02:37:17,920
Sooner than the six months. Okay. Thank

3882
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:18,720
you.

3883
02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:22,920
Okay. Um Mr. Madison, followed by Mr.

3884
02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:24,560
Hampton.

3885
02:37:24,560 --> 02:37:27,359
Thank you, Mayor. Um, one question I had

3886
02:37:27,359 --> 02:37:29,920
was how many acres of the 30 total are

3887
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:32,000
we talking about here?

3888
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:33,920
Council me, this area is roughly about 8

3889
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:35,120
to 10 acres.

3890
02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:35,520
Okay.

3891
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:37,439
And then the Oakland comes in the mix as

3892
02:37:37,439 --> 02:37:39,200
well. The 30 acres is the entire Hong

3893
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:40,479
area that has all the equestrian

3894
02:37:40,479 --> 02:37:42,800
centers, but this location is roughly

3895
02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:42,800
about 10 acres.

3896
02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:44,240
So, is that the right way to think of it

3897
02:37:44,240 --> 02:37:46,399
that we're dealing with an RFP for the

3898
02:37:46,399 --> 02:37:48,399
use of the 10 acres or is it just the

3899
02:37:48,399 --> 02:37:50,399
buildings or something else? Uh so

3900
02:37:50,399 --> 02:37:51,920
council member Madison there were two

3901
02:37:51,920 --> 02:37:54,399
areas within the Hamonga annex that

3902
02:37:54,399 --> 02:37:56,240
we're considering. One is the former US

3903
02:37:56,240 --> 02:37:57,840
forest service which are the buildings

3904
02:37:57,840 --> 02:37:59,840
these six buildings and the surrounding

3905
02:37:59,840 --> 02:38:01,840
area and then the second area is the

3906
02:38:01,840 --> 02:38:04,000
Oakland's the the Woody area which is

3907
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:05,840
the open space that is the second

3908
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:07,680
portion that we're incorporating A and B

3909
02:38:07,680 --> 02:38:11,400
together uh for this particular um RFP

3910
02:38:11,400 --> 02:38:11,520
process.

3911
02:38:11,520 --> 02:38:13,120
Okay. So how many acre because you said

3912
02:38:13,120 --> 02:38:14,880
and the surrounding area on the

3913
02:38:14,880 --> 02:38:15,680
buildings. So how

3914
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:17,439
buildings in surrounding areas in plus

3915
02:38:17,439 --> 02:38:19,400
the oaks the wood oaks is roughly about

3916
02:38:19,400 --> 02:38:20,399
10 acres

3917
02:38:20,399 --> 02:38:20,960
total

3918
02:38:20,960 --> 02:38:21,520
total

3919
02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:23,600
and do you have a division of the the

3920
02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:24,479
breakdown of that?

3921
02:38:24,479 --> 02:38:26,479
There is a map that actually would show

3922
02:38:26,479 --> 02:38:29,280
yes if I could uh pull the

3923
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:30,720
it's I believe it's one of the

3924
02:38:30,720 --> 02:38:32,399
attachments and I do have it as a slide.

3925
02:38:32,399 --> 02:38:34,800
If we can pull the presentation please

3926
02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:35,200
I'd be happy to show that

3927
02:38:35,200 --> 02:38:37,439
in the agenda report it is attachment C

3928
02:38:37,439 --> 02:38:39,120
that shows.

3929
02:38:39,120 --> 02:38:42,720
Thank you. And then is this uh one RFP

3930
02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:45,600
for both parcels? Yes sir. Okay.

3931
02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:47,840
The intent is to identify both areas

3932
02:38:47,840 --> 02:38:50,399
within the RFP and one operator to

3933
02:38:50,399 --> 02:38:51,359
commit to both.

3934
02:38:51,359 --> 02:38:55,920
Okay. And then um I do think the debate

3935
02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:58,240
between two of my colleagues was

3936
02:38:58,240 --> 02:39:00,000
interesting but it was a little bit uh

3937
02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:02,880
premature. I I do think though that the

3938
02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:05,920
um surplus land act does apply right the

3939
02:39:05,920 --> 02:39:08,160
California surplus land Act under the

3940
02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:10,560
acquisition agreement with MWD.

3941
02:39:11,200 --> 02:39:12,399
That that is correct. So, council

3942
02:39:12,399 --> 02:39:13,920
memberson, we did reach out to the

3943
02:39:13,920 --> 02:39:14,399
housing.

3944
02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:16,800
No, my question was just surplus land

3945
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:16,800
act applies.

3946
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:18,880
It it does apply and we are exempt as an

3947
02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:20,960
agent for its agency use.

3948
02:39:20,960 --> 02:39:22,640
We are exempt

3949
02:39:22,640 --> 02:39:24,640
uh we are exempt to from the uh

3950
02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:26,479
reporting under the surplus lands act

3951
02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:28,640
only because we are considered as agency

3952
02:39:28,640 --> 02:39:30,560
use because the intent to use it to

3953
02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:32,319
bring a nonprofit organization to

3954
02:39:32,319 --> 02:39:35,200
operate as we would it kind of allows

3955
02:39:35,200 --> 02:39:36,319
for the exemption.

3956
02:39:36,319 --> 02:39:39,359
Okay. So, um we're still bound by the

3957
02:39:39,359 --> 02:39:40,880
land act. we just don't have to report

3958
02:39:40,880 --> 02:39:42,720
to somebody agency. Okay.

3959
02:39:42,720 --> 02:39:45,520
And then um the costs that we have, I

3960
02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:47,120
noticed there was a lot of enthusiasm

3961
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:51,400
and even some kind of u maybe overly

3962
02:39:51,400 --> 02:39:53,200
robust comments about grant funding

3963
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:55,280
that's been promised or is out there

3964
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:57,120
somewhere and that's great. I hope

3965
02:39:57,120 --> 02:40:00,160
that's all real. But for right now, the

3966
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:03,400
question is are those estimates of cost

3967
02:40:03,400 --> 02:40:04,880
uh current? Because there's a lot of old

3968
02:40:04,880 --> 02:40:06,960
information kind of embedded in this

3969
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:08,960
record. But the

3970
02:40:09,359 --> 02:40:11,200
so council member Madison the cost

3971
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:13,120
estimates presented herein were

3972
02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:15,400
evaluated and resubmitted with

3973
02:40:15,400 --> 02:40:16,319
partnership with our public works

3974
02:40:16,319 --> 02:40:18,000
department. It was when we brought this

3975
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:20,560
item to uh the finance committee in May

3976
02:40:20,560 --> 02:40:22,240
of this year. I believe it was May.

3977
02:40:22,240 --> 02:40:23,760
That's when these numbers were revamped

3978
02:40:23,760 --> 02:40:25,359
to more current standards of what the

3979
02:40:25,359 --> 02:40:27,280
estimates would be. And of course we

3980
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:28,880
also in the report highlight that these

3981
02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:30,399
are estimates as of today. They'll be

3982
02:40:30,399 --> 02:40:33,400
like 7% escalation for construction for

3983
02:40:33,400 --> 02:40:35,520
future years. And we'll look to the RFP

3984
02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:38,319
applicants to address the financing.

3985
02:40:38,319 --> 02:40:39,120
Yes, sir.

3986
02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:40,479
In whole.

3987
02:40:40,479 --> 02:40:41,680
Yes, that is the intent.

3988
02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:45,760
Okay. And um is it a long-term lease or

3989
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:48,800
a a land transaction or some other form

3990
02:40:48,800 --> 02:40:51,400
or is that not baked in right now?

3991
02:40:51,400 --> 02:40:52,479
We will be consulting with the city

3992
02:40:52,479 --> 02:40:53,840
attorney's office as to the best

3993
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:55,600
approach. There are a number of ways we

3994
02:40:55,600 --> 02:40:57,400
can approach it, whether it be a lease

3995
02:40:57,400 --> 02:40:58,880
or an operating agreement for the use of

3996
02:40:58,880 --> 02:41:01,439
the area for a long period of time. And

3997
02:41:01,439 --> 02:41:03,760
the intent to do a long-term contract

3998
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:06,479
agreement is because the entity is going

3999
02:41:06,479 --> 02:41:09,680
to bring forth investment to the

4000
02:41:09,680 --> 02:41:11,200
property by way of grants or other

4001
02:41:11,200 --> 02:41:13,120
means. We want to make sure that they're

4002
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:15,840
able to get those grants. So longer term

4003
02:41:15,840 --> 02:41:17,439
works best in that effort.

4004
02:41:17,439 --> 02:41:19,600
Okay. And then this may be a little

4005
02:41:19,600 --> 02:41:21,520
premature too, but since we've gotten so

4006
02:41:21,520 --> 02:41:23,600
much comment from this one coalition,

4007
02:41:23,600 --> 02:41:26,000
which is highly impressive, no question.

4008
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:28,640
But does it include the Tongva and

4009
02:41:28,640 --> 02:41:30,319
Hahaonga

4010
02:41:30,319 --> 02:41:32,319
um native peoples?

4011
02:41:32,319 --> 02:41:34,479
I'm looking at the the organization and

4012
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:35,840
the they're giving me the thumbs up that

4013
02:41:35,840 --> 02:41:36,560
yes, it does.

4014
02:41:36,560 --> 02:41:40,479
Okay. Can you explain that to me?

4015
02:41:40,479 --> 02:41:42,880
St. Gabriel Band of Mission Indians is

4016
02:41:42,880 --> 02:41:44,479
coalition.

4017
02:41:44,479 --> 02:41:46,319
So it includes the Tongva.

4018
02:41:46,319 --> 02:41:46,720
Correct.

4019
02:41:46,720 --> 02:41:48,640
So it's the Gabrielino Gabriel

4020
02:41:48,640 --> 02:41:50,000
St. Gabriel Mission

4021
02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:51,400
St. Gabriel Mission Indian

4022
02:41:51,400 --> 02:41:53,200
Band of Indians including Tongva and

4023
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:54,160
Hahaonga.

4024
02:41:54,160 --> 02:41:54,560
Correct.

4025
02:41:54,560 --> 02:41:56,399
Okay. Great. and their role in this is

4026
02:41:56,399 --> 02:41:59,200
is particularly around I mean they have

4027
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:01,439
a very robust role in the coalition but

4028
02:42:01,439 --> 02:42:03,439
in particular they're going to be um

4029
02:42:03,439 --> 02:42:05,439
managing the the um

4030
02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:07,280
well let's not we don't know that you're

4031
02:42:07,280 --> 02:42:09,200
going to apply for a letting you know

4032
02:42:09,200 --> 02:42:09,760
but

4033
02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:11,359
that's the problem that's the problem I

4034
02:42:11,359 --> 02:42:12,720
was trying to highlight but sir if you

4035
02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:15,840
could identify yourself for the record

4036
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:16,560
myself

4037
02:42:16,560 --> 02:42:17,920
yes just for the record

4038
02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:19,200
we know you did before but if you could

4039
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:19,760
do that again

4040
02:42:19,760 --> 02:42:23,400
Brandon Hammerly uh creek uh project

4041
02:42:23,400 --> 02:42:23,760
manager

4042
02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:25,280
thank you we we just need to have a

4043
02:42:25,280 --> 02:42:25,920
clear record.

4044
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:27,600
Okay, those are my questions. Thank you.

4045
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:30,000
That that's that's precisely

4046
02:42:30,160 --> 02:42:34,000
the problem that I was infully trying to

4047
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:36,400
highlight, but okay. Um

4048
02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:40,800
so, uh

4049
02:42:41,600 --> 02:42:44,800
Mr. Hampton, yeah. Um thank you and I I

4050
02:42:44,800 --> 02:42:46,399
thank all my colleagues and the

4051
02:42:46,399 --> 02:42:48,880
discussion has um been been great. Um,

4052
02:42:48,880 --> 02:42:50,800
to Council Member Nicole's point about

4053
02:42:50,800 --> 02:42:53,520
the RFP, I agree that I think the city

4054
02:42:53,520 --> 02:42:55,680
could just go into a partnership uh with

4055
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:58,640
any organization, um, I agree with that,

4056
02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:02,800
but in principle, I would not vote in

4057
02:43:02,800 --> 02:43:04,000
favor of that and I would never do that

4058
02:43:04,000 --> 02:43:06,800
because that's the reason why there has

4059
02:43:06,800 --> 02:43:08,240
been so many people that look like me

4060
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:10,800
that have been overlooked because the

4061
02:43:10,800 --> 02:43:12,240
city has decided to make sure that they

4062
02:43:12,240 --> 02:43:14,160
are giving it to whoever their friends

4063
02:43:14,160 --> 02:43:16,880
are or whatnot. Um, and that's not just

4064
02:43:16,880 --> 02:43:18,640
in the city of Pasadena, that's across

4065
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:20,240
the board. So, I just want to be very

4066
02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:22,640
clear here. That's the purpose of a RFP

4067
02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:24,399
is to make sure that it's fair for

4068
02:43:24,399 --> 02:43:26,479
everyone to be able to um participate in

4069
02:43:26,479 --> 02:43:29,439
it. Um, I appreciate the

4070
02:43:29,439 --> 02:43:30,720
a real competitive process.

4071
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:32,640
A real competitive process. Absolutely.

4072
02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:34,880
Uh, that is notified for everybody and I

4073
02:43:34,880 --> 02:43:36,800
appreciate the questions about the

4074
02:43:36,800 --> 02:43:39,680
Tongva and the Gallerino tribe being um

4075
02:43:39,680 --> 02:43:42,560
a part of the the process in general. I

4076
02:43:42,560 --> 02:43:44,000
wish we had had that as a part of the

4077
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:46,319
process. As I mentioned when the one a

4078
02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:48,319
royal was being formed, they're still

4079
02:43:48,319 --> 02:43:50,800
not a board member at the one of Royal

4080
02:43:50,800 --> 02:43:52,720
um that and I every time they come and

4081
02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:55,279
present to us, I say, "Where's the

4082
02:43:55,279 --> 02:43:58,160
representation from um those tribes?" Um

4083
02:43:58,160 --> 02:44:01,400
because the one of Royals essentially

4084
02:44:01,400 --> 02:44:03,600
just recreating the same trails that

4085
02:44:03,600 --> 02:44:05,840
were already created by um the Native

4086
02:44:05,840 --> 02:44:09,440
Americans that were here before. But

4087
02:44:10,160 --> 02:44:11,359
once again, I don't know if you guys

4088
02:44:11,359 --> 02:44:14,399
were here earlier. Yes, I appreciate it.

4089
02:44:14,399 --> 02:44:20,399
But ADHD. Um, so uh the my um my my

4090
02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:23,760
motion would be to would to be to put

4091
02:44:23,760 --> 02:44:26,479
out the RFP um and make the feasibility

4092
02:44:26,479 --> 02:44:28,880
study um on the onus of the awardee of

4093
02:44:28,880 --> 02:44:32,479
the RFP. Um number two um as a part of

4094
02:44:32,479 --> 02:44:35,439
the motion would be to have the RF we've

4095
02:44:35,439 --> 02:44:37,279
already had RFP that was presented for

4096
02:44:37,279 --> 02:44:39,920
this before. Isn't that correct?

4097
02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:41,920
Not for this purpose.

4098
02:44:41,920 --> 02:44:43,920
But there was an RFP for these buildings

4099
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:45,920
at one point

4100
02:44:46,800 --> 02:44:48,800
or this space.

4101
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:50,640
Council, not not to my knowledge, not

4102
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:52,800
for the use of the annex. You you may be

4103
02:44:52,800 --> 02:44:54,880
referring to the RFP process we start

4104
02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:56,640
for the equestrian center to bring new

4105
02:44:56,640 --> 02:44:58,800
operators at the equestrian center. That

4106
02:44:58,800 --> 02:45:01,400
is process is still pending, but uh we

4107
02:45:01,400 --> 02:45:02,640
have not had one released for the annex,

4108
02:45:02,640 --> 02:45:04,640
the use of these buildings and this open

4109
02:45:04,640 --> 02:45:05,400
space.

4110
02:45:05,400 --> 02:45:07,520
Okay. So, this this process um we've

4111
02:45:07,520 --> 02:45:09,359
been talking about this I I feel like

4112
02:45:09,359 --> 02:45:10,800
I've been talking about this for three

4113
02:45:10,800 --> 02:45:13,760
years and um I would like to see now

4114
02:45:13,760 --> 02:45:15,760
that we have gotten all the eyes dotted

4115
02:45:15,760 --> 02:45:17,840
and tees crossed and we've asked all the

4116
02:45:17,840 --> 02:45:20,800
right people um I would like to see this

4117
02:45:20,800 --> 02:45:23,760
RFP um go out in 90 days or before the

4118
02:45:23,760 --> 02:45:26,160
end of the year.

4119
02:45:26,399 --> 02:45:28,160
That would be my request and my motion.

4120
02:45:28,160 --> 02:45:30,240
And so my motion would be to make the

4121
02:45:30,240 --> 02:45:34,560
physibility study um the onus of the RFP

4122
02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:37,520
awardee and um for the RFP to go out

4123
02:45:37,520 --> 02:45:39,439
within 90 days or by the end of the year

4124
02:45:39,439 --> 02:45:41,279
calendar the end of the actual calendar

4125
02:45:41,279 --> 02:45:42,560
year not year.

4126
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:43,920
I'd second that.

4127
02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:44,560
Okay.

4128
02:45:44,560 --> 02:45:46,960
Is that uh doable?

4129
02:45:48,399 --> 02:45:50,640
Mayor Gordo, we will do our utmost best

4130
02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:53,359
to make that doable. Uh I do have a

4131
02:45:53,359 --> 02:45:55,400
clarification question. The assumption

4132
02:45:55,400 --> 02:45:56,880
would be that the other items which

4133
02:45:56,880 --> 02:45:59,600
would be three and four as in the uh the

4134
02:45:59,600 --> 02:46:01,600
organizations the entities allowed to

4135
02:46:01,600 --> 02:46:04,399
submit and the uses are also part of the

4136
02:46:04,399 --> 02:46:05,680
motion being adopted.

4137
02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:07,680
Yes.

4138
02:46:08,800 --> 02:46:10,880
So all the staff the recommendations one

4139
02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:12,720
through five because it includes squa

4140
02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:14,720
and some other

4141
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:19,200
uh questions comments.

4142
02:46:20,560 --> 02:46:21,439
Okay.

4143
02:46:21,439 --> 02:46:23,600
And who was the seconder? I

4144
02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:25,359
I don't know. Oh, Mr. Lion.

4145
02:46:25,359 --> 02:46:25,760
Lion.

4146
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:26,240
Thank you.

4147
02:46:26,240 --> 02:46:28,160
Thank you.

4148
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:30,640
Speaking of dotting eyes and crossing

4149
02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:31,520
tees,

4150
02:46:31,520 --> 02:46:35,120
we have a motion and a second. Um,

4151
02:46:35,120 --> 02:46:37,760
and I think this is deserving of a roll

4152
02:46:37,760 --> 02:46:39,520
call vote. You, you've all worked very

4153
02:46:39,520 --> 02:46:41,520
hard to get us to this point. Don't

4154
02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:43,600
interpret any of our comments as

4155
02:46:43,600 --> 02:46:46,399
predetermining one way or the other. I

4156
02:46:46,399 --> 02:46:48,399
think you all understand the open and

4157
02:46:48,399 --> 02:46:51,399
competitive process and why it's

4158
02:46:52,800 --> 02:46:55,359
important for us to follow the rules and

4159
02:46:55,359 --> 02:46:57,680
and have it be a real open and

4160
02:46:57,680 --> 02:46:59,680
competitive process. I do suspect that

4161
02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:02,160
the work that's been done is going to

4162
02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:05,120
pay dividends. Uh but I'm not prepared

4163
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:07,120
to predetermine that, nor would it be

4164
02:47:07,120 --> 02:47:09,520
appropriate for any of us to do that.

4165
02:47:09,520 --> 02:47:11,920
So, with that, um,

4166
02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:17,320
let's, uh, take a roll call vote.

4167
02:47:19,359 --> 02:47:20,960
Uh, Council Member Cole,

4168
02:47:20,960 --> 02:47:21,520
yes.

4169
02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:22,720
Council member Hampton,

4170
02:47:22,720 --> 02:47:25,120
this is item 11. Yes.

4171
02:47:26,399 --> 02:47:27,600
Council member Jones,

4172
02:47:27,600 --> 02:47:28,800
yes.

4173
02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:29,120
Council member Lion,

4174
02:47:29,120 --> 02:47:29,680
yes.

4175
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:30,560
Council member Madison,

4176
02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:31,279
yes. Take off.

4177
02:47:31,279 --> 02:47:32,240
Council member Massuda,

4178
02:47:32,240 --> 02:47:32,800
yes.

4179
02:47:32,800 --> 02:47:33,760
Vice Mayor Rivas,

4180
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:34,240
yes.

4181
02:47:34,240 --> 02:47:35,439
Mayor Gordo,

4182
02:47:35,439 --> 02:47:35,840
yes.

4183
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:38,240
Motion is unanimously approved.

4184
02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:44,560
Okay. Again, thank you to the public um

4185
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:47,760
and all of the staff and everyone who's

4186
02:47:47,760 --> 02:47:48,960
gotten us to this point.

4187
02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:50,240
I got to

4188
02:47:50,240 --> 02:47:52,000
seems like it's slow, but we have to get

4189
02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:54,000
it right.

4190
02:47:54,640 --> 02:47:58,960
Okay, with that, um we have items 12 and

4191
02:47:58,960 --> 02:48:02,560
13 left. Mayor, it's a public hearing.

4192
02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:04,399
This is the time and place for the

4193
02:48:04,399 --> 02:48:06,720
public hearing on ordinance on the

4194
02:48:06,720 --> 02:48:08,720
ordinance

4195
02:48:09,840 --> 02:48:12,800
on the ordinance prohibiting Senate Bill

4196
02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:15,680
9 applications within a very high fire

4197
02:48:15,760 --> 02:48:17,840
hazard severity zone in the boundary of

4198
02:48:17,840 --> 02:48:21,400
the Eaton fire. On August 28th, 2025,

4199
02:48:21,400 --> 02:48:22,399
the public hearing notice was published

4200
02:48:22,399 --> 02:48:25,200
in the Passina Press. The city clerk's

4201
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:27,400
office received three letters in

4202
02:48:27,400 --> 02:48:29,120
opposition to the staff recommendation

4203
02:48:29,120 --> 02:48:31,439
and advocating for the city to maintain

4204
02:48:31,439 --> 02:48:34,479
the implementation of SB9. The letters

4205
02:48:34,479 --> 02:48:35,920
have been distributed to the council,

4206
02:48:35,920 --> 02:48:37,279
posted online, are part of the record

4207
02:48:37,279 --> 02:48:39,279
for this public hearing item.

4208
02:48:39,279 --> 02:48:41,520
Um, do we have public comment?

4209
02:48:41,520 --> 02:48:45,120
Uh, we have two speakers on and we're

4210
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:48,800
taking up items 12 and 13 concurrently.

4211
02:48:48,800 --> 02:48:49,680
Okay. Why don't we open the public

4212
02:48:49,680 --> 02:48:51,520
hearing? Um,

4213
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:53,400
public hearing is open

4214
02:48:53,400 --> 02:48:56,720
and uh I think the matters pretty

4215
02:48:56,720 --> 02:48:58,720
straightforward.

4216
02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:02,800
Um why don't we unless anyone needs a

4217
02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:04,800
full presentation

4218
02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:05,279
um why don't we just go straight to

4219
02:49:05,279 --> 02:49:06,479
public comment

4220
02:49:06,479 --> 02:49:08,479
uh Bert Newton followed by Andrew

4221
02:49:08,479 --> 02:49:10,479
Slackom Slum sorry

4222
02:49:11,760 --> 02:49:13,200
it's

4223
02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:14,800
yeah good evening uh mayor and city

4224
02:49:14,800 --> 02:49:18,000
council so my concern with this is that

4225
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:20,880
um the SB9 would be a good tool for

4226
02:49:20,880 --> 02:49:22,960
people who are underinsured and who have

4227
02:49:22,960 --> 02:49:25,200
lost their homes in the fire to be able

4228
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:28,720
to rebuild uh they can sell uh half of

4229
02:49:28,720 --> 02:49:31,680
their lot to uh to someone who's going

4230
02:49:31,680 --> 02:49:33,680
to live in it because that SB9 requires

4231
02:49:33,680 --> 02:49:37,359
owner occupancy. Um so it's probably not

4232
02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:39,400
going to be used by anybody else. It'll

4233
02:49:39,400 --> 02:49:40,399
probably be because those who can

4234
02:49:40,399 --> 02:49:42,240
rebuild on their whole lot will probably

4235
02:49:42,240 --> 02:49:44,399
do so. It's only people who really need

4236
02:49:44,399 --> 02:49:46,240
to who are underinsured that could use

4237
02:49:46,240 --> 02:49:49,520
SB9 to rebuild. And if they can't do

4238
02:49:49,520 --> 02:49:51,200
that, they may sell to an outside

4239
02:49:51,200 --> 02:49:53,520
investor. They'll sell the whole lot.

4240
02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:56,000
SB9 would not allow that. it would only

4241
02:49:56,000 --> 02:49:58,960
allow it to be sold to um to somebody

4242
02:49:58,960 --> 02:50:01,840
who's going to live in it. So, um so if

4243
02:50:01,840 --> 02:50:04,479
we want to have our people stay and and

4244
02:50:04,479 --> 02:50:06,160
be able to move back and rebuild, we

4245
02:50:06,160 --> 02:50:10,160
need to let SB9 uh stand and and allow

4246
02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:12,960
them to use that. Um I I don't think

4247
02:50:12,960 --> 02:50:14,640
it'll be that many people, but it will

4248
02:50:14,640 --> 02:50:16,640
be the people who really need it.

4249
02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:18,240
Thanks.

4250
02:50:18,240 --> 02:50:19,400
Thank you.

4251
02:50:19,400 --> 02:50:19,760
Thank you,

4252
02:50:19,760 --> 02:50:20,800
Mr. Sloum.

4253
02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:23,760
Yeah. Um do for since we're doing two

4254
02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:25,520
items concurrently, can I speak twice on

4255
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:28,960
each one? Yeah. Okay. Um good evening uh

4256
02:50:28,960 --> 02:50:30,720
council members and uh mayor.

4257
02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:32,560
Well, no.

4258
02:50:32,560 --> 02:50:33,600
I'm sorry.

4259
02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:33,920
Yeah.

4260
02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:35,920
Uh on the two items. Yeah.

4261
02:50:35,920 --> 02:50:38,000
You can speak on both items. You'll have

4262
02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:39,359
two minutes to speak, right?

4263
02:50:39,359 --> 02:50:40,319
For each item.

4264
02:50:40,319 --> 02:50:42,319
No, two minutes.

4265
02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:45,920
Okay. All right. Um anyway, I want to

4266
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:48,800
make it clear that banning SB9 does not

4267
02:50:48,800 --> 02:50:50,240
actually reduce the number of units that

4268
02:50:50,240 --> 02:50:53,279
can be built. Um under state law, ADUs,

4269
02:50:53,279 --> 02:50:54,560
the same number of units is still

4270
02:50:54,560 --> 02:50:56,479
allowed even in areas with limited

4271
02:50:56,479 --> 02:50:58,560
entry. What the ban really does is

4272
02:50:58,560 --> 02:51:01,200
punish homeowners. ADUs are valued far

4273
02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:03,120
lower than SB9 because they are

4274
02:51:03,120 --> 02:51:05,600
illegally accessory, not primary. The

4275
02:51:05,600 --> 02:51:07,359
lower valuation means homeowners will

4276
02:51:07,359 --> 02:51:09,439
have less equity, less access to

4277
02:51:09,439 --> 02:51:12,479
financing and insurance is now valued on

4278
02:51:12,479 --> 02:51:15,120
the equity that you now have. Um, in

4279
02:51:15,120 --> 02:51:16,960
addition to this, underinsured families

4280
02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:19,760
may use a lot split to sell their lot as

4281
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:21,680
Bert had said, and that may be the only

4282
02:51:21,680 --> 02:51:23,200
reason they're able to rebuild and stay

4283
02:51:23,200 --> 02:51:26,000
here. Um, on top of that, the number of

4284
02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:29,400
80 or SP9 applications will be extremely

4285
02:51:29,400 --> 02:51:30,560
small. There's not going to be a

4286
02:51:30,560 --> 02:51:32,319
floodgate. So, I think taking the

4287
02:51:32,319 --> 02:51:34,479
knee-jerk reaction that mayor's failed

4288
02:51:34,479 --> 02:51:36,880
policies of city Los Angeles, which will

4289
02:51:36,880 --> 02:51:39,520
be facing a lawsuit over this, uh, as it

4290
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:43,120
is a legislative authority in violation

4291
02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:45,600
of constitutional separation of powers

4292
02:51:45,600 --> 02:51:47,520
under the California Emergency Services

4293
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:50,720
Act, is not a way that Pasadena should

4294
02:51:50,720 --> 02:51:52,479
go. I think we're better than City of

4295
02:51:52,479 --> 02:51:54,720
LA. And so I urge you to not move

4296
02:51:54,720 --> 02:51:56,240
forward with this ban that strips

4297
02:51:56,240 --> 02:51:58,800
residents of value, equity, and choice

4298
02:51:58,800 --> 02:52:01,520
without actually solving a housing or

4299
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:03,200
safety problem.

4300
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:05,200
Thank you.

4301
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:07,359
That completes public comment on this

4302
02:52:07,359 --> 02:52:08,240
item.

4303
02:52:08,240 --> 02:52:10,240
Okay.

4304
02:52:10,960 --> 02:52:12,960
Um

4305
02:52:13,400 --> 02:52:14,319
questions, comments,

4306
02:52:14,319 --> 02:52:15,439
question.

4307
02:52:15,439 --> 02:52:17,279
Oh, I'm sorry. Vice Mayor Rivos.

4308
02:52:17,279 --> 02:52:19,400
Actually, Mayor, if Council Cole has a

4309
02:52:19,400 --> 02:52:20,640
question. Go ahead, Mr. Go ahead. How

4310
02:52:20,640 --> 02:52:23,439
how many lots I don't know if that did I

4311
02:52:23,439 --> 02:52:25,359
miss that in the staff report.

4312
02:52:25,359 --> 02:52:27,759
There are 185 approximately 185 parcels

4313
02:52:28,720 --> 02:52:30,479
that would be subject to the ban.

4314
02:52:30,479 --> 02:52:31,840
Okay. Thank you.

4315
02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:33,359
Go ahead.

4316
02:52:33,359 --> 02:52:36,000
Yeah. Thank you, mayor. Um

4317
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:38,160
and I'll be brief given the late hour.

4318
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:40,560
Um, I totally understand

4319
02:52:40,880 --> 02:52:45,800
the policy reason for uh suspending SB9

4320
02:52:45,359 --> 02:52:47,840
in a high density area with limited

4321
02:52:47,840 --> 02:52:49,840
points of entry and exit like we saw in

4322
02:52:49,840 --> 02:52:51,680
the Palisades on that afternoon of Jan

4323
02:52:51,680 --> 02:52:53,600
of January 7th where it was just a

4324
02:52:53,600 --> 02:52:55,120
traffic jam and they were bulldozing

4325
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:57,400
cars out of the way. That's I think the

4326
02:52:57,400 --> 02:53:00,560
nightmare scenario that city of LA was

4327
02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:02,560
trying to avert or try not to make

4328
02:53:02,560 --> 02:53:04,960
worse. So, I totally understand in that

4329
02:53:04,960 --> 02:53:08,880
scenario why we'd want to suspend SB9,

4330
02:53:08,880 --> 02:53:11,400
try not to bring in more density to that

4331
02:53:11,400 --> 02:53:12,640
neighborhood that dealt with a

4332
02:53:12,640 --> 02:53:15,640
catastrophe. Um, this neighborhood did

4333
02:53:16,399 --> 02:53:19,200
as well in Upper Hastings, homes burned,

4334
02:53:19,200 --> 02:53:22,560
but we didn't have that evacuation

4335
02:53:22,560 --> 02:53:25,680
um blockage essentially. There are, I

4336
02:53:25,680 --> 02:53:27,600
believe, based on the map provided and I

4337
02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:30,399
think it's exhibit B, four entry points,

4338
02:53:30,399 --> 02:53:33,520
north south streets going to those 185

4339
02:53:33,520 --> 02:53:36,000
homes. And so to my knowledge and and I

4340
02:53:36,000 --> 02:53:37,840
defer of course to staff and council

4341
02:53:37,840 --> 02:53:39,279
massudas, your district, you know it

4342
02:53:39,279 --> 02:53:42,240
well. Um, in this area that we're

4343
02:53:42,240 --> 02:53:44,640
talking about, was there was there were

4344
02:53:44,640 --> 02:53:46,160
there traffic jams or did people have

4345
02:53:46,160 --> 02:53:47,840
trouble getting out because the roads

4346
02:53:47,840 --> 02:53:48,960
are blocked? because I feel like that's

4347
02:53:48,960 --> 02:53:50,800
the that's the main concern that we're

4348
02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:53,359
trying to address through this this

4349
02:53:53,359 --> 02:53:55,359
proposed action.

4350
02:53:57,400 --> 02:53:58,960
I can speak to that. I did uh speak to

4351
02:53:58,960 --> 02:54:00,240
the fire chief and they confirmed that

4352
02:54:00,240 --> 02:54:03,200
there were not um evacuation and

4353
02:54:03,200 --> 02:54:05,600
issues or cars coming in and out. I

4354
02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:07,359
think from the staff perspective, it's

4355
02:54:07,359 --> 02:54:09,120
an area where we wouldn't want more

4356
02:54:09,120 --> 02:54:10,560
density. You know, we would like to

4357
02:54:10,560 --> 02:54:12,880
focus our density in other areas. Um,

4358
02:54:12,880 --> 02:54:15,760
under ADU law, you can get up to four

4359
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:18,800
um, units, but most of these lots did

4360
02:54:18,800 --> 02:54:19,840
already had attached garages. So, you'd

4361
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:21,520
be probably be looking at a maximum of

4362
02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:23,400
three. You wouldn't be looking at these

4363
02:54:23,400 --> 02:54:24,560
sites getting four ADUs because they're

4364
02:54:24,560 --> 02:54:26,800
not converting a detached garage. So,

4365
02:54:26,800 --> 02:54:28,160
there would be potential for another

4366
02:54:28,160 --> 02:54:29,600
unit on each one of these lots that they

4367
02:54:29,600 --> 02:54:31,520
wouldn't get under ADU law. So, I think

4368
02:54:31,520 --> 02:54:33,520
just from the policy perspective of

4369
02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:35,200
planning, it's not an area where we

4370
02:54:35,200 --> 02:54:37,359
would like to see four times in the

4371
02:54:37,359 --> 02:54:39,120
extreme scenario. We know that not every

4372
02:54:39,120 --> 02:54:40,640
property would do it, but right

4373
02:54:40,640 --> 02:54:42,640
potentially four times over the amount

4374
02:54:42,640 --> 02:54:44,720
of um rebuilding going on on the

4375
02:54:44,720 --> 02:54:46,720
properties. So from that perspective,

4376
02:54:46,720 --> 02:54:48,720
it's not traditional grid streets. Um

4377
02:54:48,720 --> 02:54:50,319
you have some that are one way in, one

4378
02:54:50,319 --> 02:54:52,240
way out. Um you don't have as many

4379
02:54:52,240 --> 02:54:53,920
access points and so they have to funnel

4380
02:54:53,920 --> 02:54:55,760
into the streets to get out. And so just

4381
02:54:55,760 --> 02:54:57,400
from a planning perspective, that was

4382
02:54:57,400 --> 02:54:58,640
our approach. But again, it's it's up to

4383
02:54:58,640 --> 02:54:59,359
the will of the council.

4384
02:54:59,359 --> 02:55:01,520
I I appreciate that explanation. And can

4385
02:55:01,520 --> 02:55:03,600
you remind me how many SP9 projects

4386
02:55:03,600 --> 02:55:04,880
we've had in the city in the last

4387
02:55:04,880 --> 02:55:07,920
We've had um four pull permits citywide

4388
02:55:07,920 --> 02:55:10,720
and we've had one um as a result of the

4389
02:55:10,720 --> 02:55:12,880
fire that is outside of this area there

4390
02:55:12,880 --> 02:55:14,720
in council district 1. So this only

4391
02:55:14,720 --> 02:55:18,560
impacts one portion of um council member

4392
02:55:18,560 --> 02:55:20,720
a very small portion. Totally

4393
02:55:20,720 --> 02:55:21,520
understand.

4394
02:55:21,520 --> 02:55:24,240
So yeah, the fact that we over the last

4395
02:55:24,240 --> 02:55:26,319
several years haven't seen many SP9

4396
02:55:26,319 --> 02:55:27,840
projects and in this tiny little sliver

4397
02:55:27,840 --> 02:55:29,359
of a neighborhood we're unlikely to see

4398
02:55:29,359 --> 02:55:32,800
many. Um, I'm uncomfortable with taking

4399
02:55:32,800 --> 02:55:34,880
an option away from perhaps that one

4400
02:55:34,880 --> 02:55:36,640
homeowner that want does want to do a

4401
02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:38,640
lot split or maybe does want to make use

4402
02:55:38,640 --> 02:55:40,479
of the ADU provision. So, you've

4403
02:55:40,479 --> 02:55:42,880
explained um and we've heard that there

4404
02:55:42,880 --> 02:55:44,880
are other ways to build ADUs, not

4405
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:48,000
necessarily through AB9. So, uh through

4406
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:51,200
SB9, sorry. So, again, just to wrap up,

4407
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:54,160
I I don't feel like the case been made

4408
02:55:54,160 --> 02:55:56,960
for this neighborhood here. Um, and I

4409
02:55:56,960 --> 02:55:58,560
would hate to take away that option from

4410
02:55:58,560 --> 02:56:00,560
that one neighbor who's that one

4411
02:56:00,560 --> 02:56:01,680
resident who's trying to rebuild and

4412
02:56:01,680 --> 02:56:03,120
maybe does want to to have that

4413
02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:05,439
flexibility to do that here. Um, but

4414
02:56:05,439 --> 02:56:06,800
again, I appreciate the staff bringing

4415
02:56:06,800 --> 02:56:08,399
this up and I look forward to hearing

4416
02:56:08,399 --> 02:56:11,399
everyone else's comments. Thank you.

4417
02:56:12,800 --> 02:56:14,800
Um,

4418
02:56:14,800 --> 02:56:16,800
Mr. Cole,

4419
02:56:16,560 --> 02:56:19,920
I uh I share the concern of of of the

4420
02:56:19,920 --> 02:56:22,320
vice mayor. Look, um,

4421
02:56:24,160 --> 02:56:25,520
a couple of these streets maybe we

4422
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:27,439
should never have built on, right? I

4423
02:56:27,439 --> 02:56:29,520
mean, that's arguably particularly the

4424
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:31,840
ones that are dead ends.

4425
02:56:31,840 --> 02:56:35,120
Um, but state law will allow additional

4426
02:56:35,120 --> 02:56:37,120
density through ADUs.

4427
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:42,800
Um, and very few people probably will

4428
02:56:42,800 --> 02:56:43,840
take advantage of these. These are big

4429
02:56:43,840 --> 02:56:48,560
homes on big lots. Um, and uh, if

4430
02:56:48,560 --> 02:56:49,920
anything, I think people will build

4431
02:56:49,920 --> 02:56:53,120
bigger houses um, rather than than do

4432
02:56:53,120 --> 02:56:56,800
lot splits. Um, I we haven't heard from

4433
02:56:56,800 --> 02:56:58,399
from the council member who represents

4434
02:56:58,399 --> 02:57:02,800
the area. I I I don't see the urgent

4435
02:57:02,800 --> 02:57:05,520
need for the handful of cases that that

4436
02:57:05,520 --> 02:57:08,240
uh, that might eventuate from this and

4437
02:57:08,240 --> 02:57:10,720
particularly given that the difference

4438
02:57:10,720 --> 02:57:12,160
between what you can build in the way of

4439
02:57:12,160 --> 02:57:14,479
ADUs and what you can build under SP9 is

4440
02:57:14,479 --> 02:57:16,800
is dimminimous. But there's a

4441
02:57:16,800 --> 02:57:18,160
significant advantage to the homeowner

4442
02:57:18,160 --> 02:57:22,560
if they take the SB9 route. Um, so, uh,

4443
02:57:22,560 --> 02:57:24,720
I if if we were to compromise, and I

4444
02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:25,920
don't know if there's any interest in

4445
02:57:25,920 --> 02:57:28,720
that, uh, at least just confine it to

4446
02:57:28,720 --> 02:57:31,520
the to the deadend streets right there.

4447
02:57:31,520 --> 02:57:33,920
Streets like Valley Lights, um, you

4448
02:57:33,920 --> 02:57:36,800
know, have have plenty of access, um, up

4449
02:57:36,800 --> 02:57:39,680
and down. So that would be I would be

4450
02:57:39,680 --> 02:57:42,800
more comfortable with that um than just

4451
02:57:42,800 --> 02:57:46,800
saying you know SB9 doesn't apply here.

4452
02:57:46,800 --> 02:57:48,399
it. I think the number of people

4453
02:57:48,399 --> 02:57:50,800
affected one way or the other is going

4454
02:57:50,800 --> 02:57:53,439
to be probably counted on one hand. And

4455
02:57:53,439 --> 02:57:55,760
um there's, you know, we have to weigh

4456
02:57:55,760 --> 02:58:00,560
the the concerns uh about um uh fire

4457
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:05,120
danger and density against um the desire

4458
02:58:05,120 --> 02:58:08,240
to allow people to rebuild um in in the

4459
02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:09,920
neighborhood that they've lived in in

4460
02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:12,319
many cases for a number of years.

4461
02:58:12,319 --> 02:58:16,800
Yeah. I um let let me say as someone who

4462
02:58:16,800 --> 02:58:18,560
represents that part of the city as well

4463
02:58:18,560 --> 02:58:22,720
and is very familiar with it. Um there

4464
02:58:22,720 --> 02:58:26,000
there are concerns about uh getting out

4465
02:58:26,000 --> 02:58:29,760
in an emergency um and you know those

4466
02:58:29,760 --> 02:58:31,439
were expressed. Our fire department did

4467
02:58:31,439 --> 02:58:34,560
a and you know city staff in general did

4468
02:58:34,560 --> 02:58:36,399
a phenomenal job of getting people out

4469
02:58:36,399 --> 02:58:38,720
but that could have been a very day

4470
02:58:38,720 --> 02:58:41,120
different situation. these 139 property

4471
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:47,440
owners who were impacted. Um uh uh you

4472
02:58:48,240 --> 02:58:49,760
know

4473
02:58:49,760 --> 02:58:51,200
we want to do everything we can to

4474
02:58:51,200 --> 02:58:53,200
support them and we have I think it's

4475
02:58:53,200 --> 02:58:56,880
very telling uh and this is a partly a

4476
02:58:56,880 --> 02:59:01,600
statement and partly a question that I I

4477
02:59:01,600 --> 02:59:04,000
I don't know where you live Mr. Slokum.

4478
02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:08,000
Um, but residents who were impacted are

4479
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:10,160
not here objecting to this. Have they

4480
02:59:10,160 --> 02:59:14,360
expressed a view one way or another?

4481
02:59:17,400 --> 02:59:19,520
Have the residents said no, don't don't

4482
02:59:19,520 --> 02:59:20,720
do this.

4483
02:59:20,720 --> 02:59:23,279
My microphone might have not to staff.

4484
02:59:23,279 --> 02:59:26,640
Yeah. I and this is a group of residents

4485
02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:28,960
who believe me has been very very

4486
02:59:28,960 --> 02:59:30,479
engaged

4487
02:59:30,479 --> 02:59:34,720
uh in in uh everything that uh we've

4488
02:59:34,720 --> 02:59:37,279
done to to be responsive. what we're

4489
02:59:37,279 --> 02:59:38,960
trying to

4490
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:42,880
what I think the intent of setting aside

4491
02:59:42,880 --> 02:59:47,359
SB9 is to not create the situation that

4492
02:59:47,359 --> 02:59:50,399
you know you're describing uh Miss Rivas

4493
02:59:50,399 --> 02:59:53,600
um and you know there are infra

4494
02:59:53,600 --> 02:59:56,399
infrastructure issues in terms of fire

4495
02:59:56,399 --> 03:00:00,599
hydrants there are um access issues uh

4496
03:00:02,160 --> 03:00:04,240
and there's the question of whether or

4497
03:00:04,240 --> 03:00:07,840
not we should be um constructing

4498
03:00:09,120 --> 03:00:13,279
um in areas like this whether we as Mr.

4499
03:00:13,279 --> 03:00:15,600
Cole said whether we should have uh and

4500
03:00:15,600 --> 03:00:18,479
now the question is whether we should um

4501
03:00:18,479 --> 03:00:20,240
increase the density there. Some of

4502
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:22,720
these lots are right up they're in

4503
03:00:22,720 --> 03:00:24,960
canyons. They're right up against the

4504
03:00:24,960 --> 03:00:26,960
foothills. Um, and

4505
03:00:28,800 --> 03:00:31,680
you know, I I think we have to be

4506
03:00:31,680 --> 03:00:34,680
careful about creating another situation

4507
03:00:35,120 --> 03:00:38,880
like that. And so, uh, I I you know, I

4508
03:00:38,880 --> 03:00:43,800
plan to support, uh, the motion. Um,

4509
03:00:43,439 --> 03:00:46,240
um, and if I'm sorry, there's no motion.

4510
03:00:46,240 --> 03:00:47,600
I I plan to support the staff

4511
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:50,000
recommendation for all of those reasons

4512
03:00:50,000 --> 03:00:52,000
unless we're prepared to say we're going

4513
03:00:52,000 --> 03:00:54,800
to increase the capacity of our

4514
03:00:54,800 --> 03:00:55,840
infrastructure to meet the needs of the

4515
03:00:55,840 --> 03:00:57,359
additional

4516
03:00:57,359 --> 03:01:00,160
um density and we're okay with

4517
03:01:00,160 --> 03:01:03,160
increasing density in this neighborhood

4518
03:01:03,359 --> 03:01:06,959
uh given what we've experienced in

4519
03:01:07,279 --> 03:01:10,879
Altadena this neighborhood and uh other

4520
03:01:13,400 --> 03:01:15,279
and in Los Angeles

4521
03:01:15,279 --> 03:01:18,880
I I think that would be a mistake for us

4522
03:01:18,880 --> 03:01:20,880
to do. Mr. Massuda, did you have a

4523
03:01:20,880 --> 03:01:23,359
Thank you. And Vice Mayor, we didn't

4524
03:01:23,359 --> 03:01:25,680
have the congestion you're talking about

4525
03:01:25,680 --> 03:01:27,920
like in Palisades and Malibu area

4526
03:01:27,920 --> 03:01:30,720
because u you know I'm familiar with

4527
03:01:30,720 --> 03:01:35,200
that as well. Uh uh if you remember the

4528
03:01:35,200 --> 03:01:37,359
uh we were going through a red flag

4529
03:01:37,359 --> 03:01:39,760
alert right before that and so we're of

4530
03:01:39,760 --> 03:01:42,000
course you know being in the uh you know

4531
03:01:42,000 --> 03:01:44,399
the hills over there in upper Hastings

4532
03:01:44,399 --> 03:01:48,399
were very concerned but um I don't know

4533
03:01:48,399 --> 03:01:50,800
what your question is because we we

4534
03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:53,439
don't in in fact the of course the the

4535
03:01:53,439 --> 03:01:55,680
the people that live there that were

4536
03:01:55,680 --> 03:01:57,680
supposed to leave because it was

4537
03:01:57,680 --> 03:01:59,200
evacuation

4538
03:01:59,200 --> 03:02:02,800
requirement they didn't bottom of them

4539
03:02:02,800 --> 03:02:05,120
didn't leave. So that's uh that probably

4540
03:02:05,120 --> 03:02:08,240
added to the lack of a congestion. So

4541
03:02:08,240 --> 03:02:09,760
what is your question about that?

4542
03:02:09,760 --> 03:02:12,399
Sure. So my question and I think um

4543
03:02:12,399 --> 03:02:15,399
Jennifer answered it was essentially

4544
03:02:15,520 --> 03:02:18,399
I see the logic of suspending SP9 or

4545
03:02:18,399 --> 03:02:19,760
avoiding density.

4546
03:02:19,760 --> 03:02:20,240
Yes.

4547
03:02:20,240 --> 03:02:22,240
Where there's a potential for traffic

4548
03:02:22,240 --> 03:02:24,800
trams where there's only one point of

4549
03:02:24,800 --> 03:02:25,600
ingress. You know, people can only get

4550
03:02:25,600 --> 03:02:27,200
out through one street. Only get in

4551
03:02:27,200 --> 03:02:28,160
through one street. and we have the

4552
03:02:28,160 --> 03:02:30,800
situation we had in the Palisades which

4553
03:02:30,800 --> 03:02:32,720
was horrific and terrifying uh for those

4554
03:02:32,720 --> 03:02:35,760
folks. Um I again I just don't see that

4555
03:02:35,760 --> 03:02:38,800
this neighborhood is that situation. So

4556
03:02:38,800 --> 03:02:39,840
I I think what the city of LA did in the

4557
03:02:39,840 --> 03:02:42,840
Palisades makes 100% sense here because

4558
03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:45,680
there's we only talking about about 100

4559
03:02:45,680 --> 03:02:47,200
homes as opposed to hundreds feeding

4560
03:02:47,200 --> 03:02:50,640
into one street. We have about 180 I

4561
03:02:50,640 --> 03:02:52,720
think it is feeding into four streets

4562
03:02:52,720 --> 03:02:54,319
and some of them are culde-sacs for

4563
03:02:54,319 --> 03:02:56,960
sure. Um, I just don't I see it as two

4564
03:02:56,960 --> 03:02:59,520
different scenarios. Um, and and we we

4565
03:02:59,520 --> 03:03:00,720
went through the worst. We went through

4566
03:03:00,720 --> 03:03:02,479
the worst that could have happened and

4567
03:03:02,479 --> 03:03:05,760
we didn't have the traffic jams and I

4568
03:03:05,760 --> 03:03:07,840
think Council Member Cole's point is is

4569
03:03:07,840 --> 03:03:10,319
very important and just that at the end

4570
03:03:10,319 --> 03:03:11,920
of the day, no matter which way we go,

4571
03:03:11,920 --> 03:03:13,920
it's going to affect a handful of

4572
03:03:13,920 --> 03:03:16,920
people. we're not really gonna

4573
03:03:16,960 --> 03:03:18,720
it's and so that's and for me that

4574
03:03:18,720 --> 03:03:20,640
pushes me towards leaving things as they

4575
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:23,680
are for that one or two homeowners who

4576
03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:25,920
do want to make use of SP9. I really

4577
03:03:25,920 --> 03:03:28,880
don't think we're going to see a a rush

4578
03:03:28,880 --> 03:03:31,600
to do something. Um so in the grand

4579
03:03:31,600 --> 03:03:32,960
scheme of things, I don't, you know, I

4580
03:03:32,960 --> 03:03:34,319
don't think we're going to shift things

4581
03:03:34,319 --> 03:03:35,680
too much in either direction no matter

4582
03:03:35,680 --> 03:03:37,120
what action we take. But for me

4583
03:03:37,120 --> 03:03:39,120
personally, I think the case hasn't been

4584
03:03:39,120 --> 03:03:42,160
made um like it was in the Palisades uh

4585
03:03:42,160 --> 03:03:44,399
to suspend SB9. And I want to make sure

4586
03:03:44,399 --> 03:03:46,640
that all homeowners, you know, whoever

4587
03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:48,240
that is out there, it might be just one

4588
03:03:48,240 --> 03:03:50,800
or two of them that want to use it. If

4589
03:03:50,800 --> 03:03:52,560
if that probably none, honestly, just

4590
03:03:52,560 --> 03:03:54,640
looking at the numbers of SB uh 9

4591
03:03:54,640 --> 03:03:56,319
projects in the last three years across

4592
03:03:56,319 --> 03:03:59,600
the city. So, but I want to make sure

4593
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:01,120
they have all the options on the table

4594
03:04:01,120 --> 03:04:02,880
as homeowners going through a very

4595
03:04:02,880 --> 03:04:06,000
difficult uh situation and through the

4596
03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:07,920
rebuilding process. So,

4597
03:04:07,920 --> 03:04:09,840
you know, the the only thing I would say

4598
03:04:09,840 --> 03:04:14,800
to that is um it wasn't we're not just

4599
03:04:14,800 --> 03:04:15,520
talking about the properties that were

4600
03:04:15,520 --> 03:04:17,359
impacted. We're talking about the rest

4601
03:04:17,359 --> 03:04:18,319
of the neighborhood as well.

4602
03:04:18,319 --> 03:04:20,800
Absolutely. And they all feed down into

4603
03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:20,399
those.

4604
03:04:20,399 --> 03:04:22,720
We didn't see what happened in Los

4605
03:04:22,720 --> 03:04:26,920
Angeles, you know, um for two reasons.

4606
03:04:27,680 --> 03:04:30,880
Um well, the whole host of reasons, but

4607
03:04:30,880 --> 03:04:33,880
one is the wind shifted.

4608
03:04:34,479 --> 03:04:38,000
um you know the wind was headed uh in an

4609
03:04:38,000 --> 03:04:41,439
easterly direction and then shifted in a

4610
03:04:41,439 --> 03:04:43,439
westerly direction.

4611
03:04:43,680 --> 03:04:47,880
One two we issued our evacuation orders

4612
03:04:48,319 --> 03:04:51,439
before Los Angeles or the county did and

4613
03:04:51,439 --> 03:04:54,640
our staff evacuated as many people as

4614
03:04:54,640 --> 03:04:58,240
would leave. And so our process

4615
03:04:59,200 --> 03:05:03,400
um was different. We handled it proudly.

4616
03:05:03,400 --> 03:05:05,439
Um absolutely you know different but we

4617
03:05:05,439 --> 03:05:07,439
also you know

4618
03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:11,359
had some and again my thoughts to the

4619
03:05:11,359 --> 03:05:12,560
people who were and prayers to the

4620
03:05:12,560 --> 03:05:15,279
people who were impacted but if that

4621
03:05:15,279 --> 03:05:18,160
wind hadn't shifted you know but for the

4622
03:05:18,160 --> 03:05:22,160
grace of God if that wind hadn't shifted

4623
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:24,000
we might be looking at a

4624
03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:26,800
totally different situation including

4625
03:05:26,800 --> 03:05:28,720
people not being able to get out in time

4626
03:05:28,720 --> 03:05:30,800
and that's what we're guarding against

4627
03:05:30,800 --> 03:05:34,400
that what I'm suggesting we guard

4628
03:05:34,640 --> 03:05:35,600
Mr. Cole,

4629
03:05:35,600 --> 03:05:37,439
uh, just a final comment and and then I

4630
03:05:37,439 --> 03:05:39,920
think we should take a vote here. Um, I

4631
03:05:39,920 --> 03:05:43,279
think we all are concerned about um

4632
03:05:43,279 --> 03:05:45,200
protecting the the neighborhoods and I

4633
03:05:45,200 --> 03:05:47,279
think we all are concerned about giving

4634
03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:50,240
um people the maximum option to to

4635
03:05:50,240 --> 03:05:53,240
rebuild where appropriate. Um, again,

4636
03:05:54,240 --> 03:05:56,240
for me um

4637
03:05:57,279 --> 03:06:00,800
we don't control the number of cars that

4638
03:06:00,800 --> 03:06:01,760
people have in their house. We don't

4639
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:04,160
control the number of people that live

4640
03:06:04,160 --> 03:06:06,720
in a house. Um, we don't have any

4641
03:06:06,720 --> 03:06:09,120
control over the number of ADUs that are

4642
03:06:09,120 --> 03:06:11,920
allowed by by state law. So, we're

4643
03:06:11,920 --> 03:06:14,920
talking probably of these 185 homes,

4644
03:06:16,240 --> 03:06:19,520
we're talking about the margin of error

4645
03:06:19,520 --> 03:06:21,279
one way or the other, the margin of

4646
03:06:21,279 --> 03:06:24,399
error of people moving in and six people

4647
03:06:24,399 --> 03:06:26,160
moving into a house instead of three

4648
03:06:26,160 --> 03:06:30,800
people or um or a single person. So I to

4649
03:06:30,800 --> 03:06:32,560
me I would be much more comfortable with

4650
03:06:32,560 --> 03:06:35,520
just the the deadend streets. I think

4651
03:06:35,520 --> 03:06:37,920
there's a real concern on the deadend

4652
03:06:37,920 --> 03:06:41,760
streets. Um but I respect other people's

4653
03:06:41,760 --> 03:06:44,000
views. So um because the staff

4654
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:47,600
recommendation is is uh I think we've

4655
03:06:47,600 --> 03:06:49,680
heard at least two voices in favor of

4656
03:06:49,680 --> 03:06:55,200
it. Um I will move that we um uh limit

4657
03:06:55,200 --> 03:06:57,520
it to just the deadend streets. And if

4658
03:06:57,520 --> 03:06:59,279
that doesn't pass, then I'll I will

4659
03:06:59,279 --> 03:07:00,720
support the staff recommendation.

4660
03:07:00,720 --> 03:07:03,400
And and what's your recommendation on

4661
03:07:03,400 --> 03:07:06,400
infrastructure improvements if um we

4662
03:07:07,400 --> 03:07:08,479
increase the density up there?

4663
03:07:08,479 --> 03:07:10,640
I think it's in the margin of error of

4664
03:07:10,640 --> 03:07:12,560
the number of people that live there and

4665
03:07:12,560 --> 03:07:14,399
the number of people that that can build

4666
03:07:14,399 --> 03:07:18,319
ADUs. I think I think the the there's

4667
03:07:18,319 --> 03:07:22,800
185 lots. Um, not not everybody is going

4668
03:07:22,800 --> 03:07:26,720
to be adding any units, but anybody can

4669
03:07:26,720 --> 03:07:29,400
add up to three units. This would add up

4670
03:07:29,400 --> 03:07:31,600
to four units. The difference between

4671
03:07:31,600 --> 03:07:33,400
the people who can add three and the

4672
03:07:33,400 --> 03:07:34,960
people that can add four is about the

4673
03:07:34,960 --> 03:07:38,640
same as the number of of older couples

4674
03:07:38,640 --> 03:07:41,520
that sell their home and now a family

4675
03:07:41,520 --> 03:07:43,840
moves in with two teenagers. I mean,

4676
03:07:43,840 --> 03:07:46,479
it's it's a very small number. So, I

4677
03:07:46,479 --> 03:07:47,600
don't think there's going to be a need

4678
03:07:47,600 --> 03:07:49,760
for any more fire hydrants or any any

4679
03:07:49,760 --> 03:07:53,680
less fire hydrants um in the end. But,

4680
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:55,760
um but again, let's let's let's try this

4681
03:07:55,760 --> 03:07:58,240
out and um and see if there's any

4682
03:07:58,240 --> 03:08:00,240
support for that besides me and the vice

4683
03:08:00,240 --> 03:08:02,240
mayor. And if not, then we move with the

4684
03:08:02,240 --> 03:08:04,000
staff recommendation. So, that's my

4685
03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:07,520
motion. If the vice mayor will second

4686
03:08:07,520 --> 03:08:09,520
it.

4687
03:08:09,760 --> 03:08:11,439
Sure, I'll second it.

4688
03:08:11,439 --> 03:08:13,279
Well, just point of order. Can I ask

4689
03:08:13,279 --> 03:08:14,880
council member Massuda what your

4690
03:08:14,880 --> 03:08:16,800
position is on this? Are you supporting

4691
03:08:16,800 --> 03:08:18,560
the staff recommendation?

4692
03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:19,600
I am.

4693
03:08:19,600 --> 03:08:21,600
Okay.

4694
03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:24,240
I'm going to support the council member

4695
03:08:24,240 --> 03:08:26,240
from the district.

4696
03:08:26,640 --> 03:08:27,439
Yeah. And I had a

4697
03:08:27,439 --> 03:08:28,000
and the mayor

4698
03:08:28,000 --> 03:08:28,560
and the

4699
03:08:28,560 --> 03:08:32,399
sorry and the mayor for the whole city.

4700
03:08:32,399 --> 03:08:36,399
I had a a quick follow-up question. So,

4701
03:08:36,399 --> 03:08:39,680
have residents in Hastings Ranch reached

4702
03:08:39,680 --> 03:08:43,600
out to you asking for this to

4703
03:08:43,600 --> 03:08:45,279
voicing their opinion one way or the

4704
03:08:45,279 --> 03:08:46,800
other or No,

4705
03:08:46,800 --> 03:08:46,880
they haven't.

4706
03:08:46,880 --> 03:08:52,280
No, no, but uh um I definitely uh know

4707
03:08:52,880 --> 03:08:55,600
where they are from Yeah. just just from

4708
03:08:55,600 --> 03:08:57,680
talking to them in general.

4709
03:08:57,680 --> 03:09:00,720
Yeah, I'm I'm prepared to support the

4710
03:09:00,720 --> 03:09:03,920
the representatives of the area. So, I

4711
03:09:03,920 --> 03:09:05,760
would support the staff motion or

4712
03:09:05,760 --> 03:09:07,760
recommendation.

4713
03:09:08,160 --> 03:09:10,560
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

4714
03:09:10,960 --> 03:09:12,960
Okay. Um,

4715
03:09:14,160 --> 03:09:17,680
well, we have a motion and second. Any

4716
03:09:17,680 --> 03:09:19,680
other comments?

4717
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:24,240
Okay. So this is to limit uh the

4718
03:09:24,240 --> 03:09:25,279
Oh,

4719
03:09:25,279 --> 03:09:26,800
and if if we hear

4720
03:09:26,800 --> 03:09:29,400
and if we hear different from the

4721
03:09:29,400 --> 03:09:31,600
residents, we should be prepared to

4722
03:09:31,600 --> 03:09:34,640
to shift gears, so to speak.

4723
03:09:34,640 --> 03:09:36,399
Well, the motion is not what the council

4724
03:09:36,399 --> 03:09:38,160
member from the district and the mayor.

4725
03:09:38,160 --> 03:09:39,760
Correct. Right. So, correct. Should

4726
03:09:39,760 --> 03:09:40,800
there be a

4727
03:09:40,800 --> 03:09:43,439
sub meaning if I I'm I'm not going to

4728
03:09:43,439 --> 03:09:46,000
support the the motion as it is.

4729
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:47,200
Thank you.

4730
03:09:47,200 --> 03:09:51,359
And um and if we get you know feedback

4731
03:09:51,359 --> 03:09:53,279
from the neighbors saying you know we

4732
03:09:53,279 --> 03:09:57,600
just you blew it and you know believe me

4733
03:09:57,600 --> 03:09:59,359
Mr. Masuda will hear about it. The staff

4734
03:09:59,359 --> 03:10:01,120
will hear about I will hear about it and

4735
03:10:01,120 --> 03:10:03,600
we should you know inform them

4736
03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:06,560
immediately that this motion has passed

4737
03:10:06,560 --> 03:10:09,439
or I mean sorry that that this motion

4738
03:10:09,439 --> 03:10:12,720
has passed or that um the staff

4739
03:10:12,720 --> 03:10:14,399
recommendation if this motion doesn't

4740
03:10:14,399 --> 03:10:18,160
pass uh hopefully that will pass and we

4741
03:10:18,160 --> 03:10:19,359
should inform them either way.

4742
03:10:19,359 --> 03:10:20,880
I appreciate that mayor. just reading

4743
03:10:20,880 --> 03:10:22,640
the room, I think the staff

4744
03:10:22,640 --> 03:10:24,399
recommendation will ultimately pass. And

4745
03:10:24,399 --> 03:10:26,479
I just appreciate you being open to

4746
03:10:26,479 --> 03:10:28,800
listen to the residents because if there

4747
03:10:28,800 --> 03:10:29,840
is that one homeowner that comes in,

4748
03:10:29,840 --> 03:10:31,200
it's like, man, I really want to do a

4749
03:10:31,200 --> 03:10:33,600
lot split, but you guys are not letting

4750
03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:35,520
me, at least we can, you know,

4751
03:10:35,520 --> 03:10:37,359
reconsider at that point. So, I I I

4752
03:10:37,359 --> 03:10:38,640
appreciate that.

4753
03:10:38,640 --> 03:10:40,000
Well,

4754
03:10:40,000 --> 03:10:41,680
I'm not sure if the staff recommendation

4755
03:10:41,680 --> 03:10:43,200
passes reading the room. And so I

4756
03:10:43,200 --> 03:10:45,680
thought I thought this was a a smart

4757
03:10:45,680 --> 03:10:48,160
compromised position to actually address

4758
03:10:48,160 --> 03:10:50,479
the streets where we have a an an an

4759
03:10:50,479 --> 03:10:52,479
egress issue. So

4760
03:10:52,560 --> 03:10:53,680
we'll see where we

4761
03:10:53,680 --> 03:10:55,359
and just procedurally to remind everyone

4762
03:10:55,359 --> 03:10:57,400
this is an interim ordinance. So we will

4763
03:10:57,400 --> 03:10:59,680
return within 45 days to extend it

4764
03:10:59,680 --> 03:11:01,359
longer if something if there's something

4765
03:11:01,359 --> 03:11:04,800
to pass. We would so it would be this is

4766
03:11:04,800 --> 03:11:07,680
for 45 days. We are having a workshop um

4767
03:11:07,680 --> 03:11:10,720
on the 18th. It's the 18th um with our

4768
03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:13,200
fourth workshop with the residents so we

4769
03:11:13,200 --> 03:11:15,120
can we can socialize some of this as

4770
03:11:15,120 --> 03:11:17,439
well. So when we come back um after the

4771
03:11:17,439 --> 03:11:19,200
45 days we will have some feedback and

4772
03:11:19,200 --> 03:11:20,640
we can provide more information at that

4773
03:11:20,640 --> 03:11:22,640
time as well. And believe me, I know

4774
03:11:22,640 --> 03:11:24,560
that neighborhood well having attended

4775
03:11:24,560 --> 03:11:27,680
Pasadena High School and spent a lot of

4776
03:11:27,680 --> 03:11:30,000
time in that neighborhood with friends

4777
03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:34,200
and there are but for that windshifting

4778
03:11:34,640 --> 03:11:37,279
there would have been ingress and egress

4779
03:11:37,279 --> 03:11:42,790
issues. Um and but for the wind shifting

4780
03:11:42,560 --> 03:11:46,760
and our staff, you know, acting swiftly,

4781
03:11:47,840 --> 03:11:52,000
um there would have been problems beyond

4782
03:11:52,000 --> 03:11:54,240
what we saw. So

4783
03:11:54,240 --> 03:11:56,560
So if the staff recommendation passes,

4784
03:11:56,560 --> 03:11:59,680
you'll socialize it for 45 days, you

4785
03:11:59,680 --> 03:12:01,359
said. And then if you hear from

4786
03:12:01,359 --> 03:12:04,800
residents that no, we wanted to do lot

4787
03:12:04,800 --> 03:12:05,920
splits, you would come back to the

4788
03:12:05,920 --> 03:12:07,520
council. we have to reach. This is an

4789
03:12:07,520 --> 03:12:09,279
interim emergency ordinance, so we have

4790
03:12:09,279 --> 03:12:11,200
to return within 45 days. And we would

4791
03:12:11,200 --> 03:12:13,400
ask the council to extend it for up to

4792
03:12:13,400 --> 03:12:15,600
two years unless the emergency order is

4793
03:12:15,600 --> 03:12:17,120
lifted, then it everything goes away

4794
03:12:17,120 --> 03:12:19,680
anyways. Um, and we're having a workshop

4795
03:12:19,680 --> 03:12:21,600
on the 18th, so we we were going to let

4796
03:12:21,600 --> 03:12:22,880
people know what happened tonight as

4797
03:12:22,880 --> 03:12:24,000
part of the other updates that we're

4798
03:12:24,000 --> 03:12:25,520
giving so they'll be aware of what

4799
03:12:25,520 --> 03:12:27,600
happened. Um, and we'll explain that

4800
03:12:27,600 --> 03:12:29,400
we're going to be coming back in 45 days

4801
03:12:29,400 --> 03:12:30,479
and so if they have strong opinions one

4802
03:12:30,479 --> 03:12:31,520
way or another that they could

4803
03:12:31,520 --> 03:12:33,600
participate if we come back with

4804
03:12:33,600 --> 03:12:35,600
something. Congratulations, Jennifer.

4805
03:12:36,160 --> 03:12:37,680
You just po co coined a new term,

4806
03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:41,120
socialize, uh our policy decisions. I

4807
03:12:41,120 --> 03:12:41,680
like that.

4808
03:12:41,680 --> 03:12:43,680
Yeah. Okay. Um

4809
03:12:43,840 --> 03:12:46,000
procedurally, mayor, uh we need to close

4810
03:12:46,000 --> 03:12:47,520
the public hearing first before we

4811
03:12:47,520 --> 03:12:48,800
Okay. Motion to close the public

4812
03:12:48,800 --> 03:12:50,479
hearing.

4813
03:12:50,479 --> 03:12:51,400
Second.

4814
03:12:51,400 --> 03:12:53,920
Moved and seconded. Uh any objections?

4815
03:12:53,920 --> 03:12:56,240
Seeing none, public hearing is closed.

4816
03:12:56,240 --> 03:12:59,359
Uh now on the merits, we have a motion

4817
03:12:59,359 --> 03:13:00,319
is

4818
03:13:00,319 --> 03:13:03,120
to limit to the dead end streets.

4819
03:13:03,120 --> 03:13:05,120
Mhm.

4820
03:13:05,359 --> 03:13:09,200
Um, you want me to roll call?

4821
03:13:09,200 --> 03:13:10,880
Uh, Council Member Cole,

4822
03:13:10,880 --> 03:13:11,680
yes.

4823
03:13:11,680 --> 03:13:13,600
Council member Hampton is absent.

4824
03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:14,720
Council member Jones,

4825
03:13:14,720 --> 03:13:15,359
no.

4826
03:13:15,359 --> 03:13:16,399
Council Lion,

4827
03:13:16,399 --> 03:13:17,120
yes.

4828
03:13:17,120 --> 03:13:18,319
Council member Madison,

4829
03:13:18,319 --> 03:13:18,960
no.

4830
03:13:18,960 --> 03:13:20,800
Council member Massuda,

4831
03:13:20,800 --> 03:13:20,960
no.

4832
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:22,800
Vice Mayor Rivas,

4833
03:13:22,800 --> 03:13:22,960
yes.

4834
03:13:22,960 --> 03:13:23,840
Mayor Gordo,

4835
03:13:23,840 --> 03:13:25,400
no.

4836
03:13:25,400 --> 03:13:26,960
That's three in favor, four against. The

4837
03:13:26,960 --> 03:13:29,360
motion does not pass.

4838
03:13:30,000 --> 03:13:32,880
I will move staff recommendation.

4839
03:13:32,880 --> 03:13:35,840
I'll second if Mr. Masuda wants the

4840
03:13:35,840 --> 03:13:36,319
motion.

4841
03:13:36,319 --> 03:13:37,439
Mr.

4842
03:13:37,439 --> 03:13:40,720
I thought I did make the motion already.

4843
03:13:40,720 --> 03:13:41,840
So, Mr. Cole,

4844
03:13:41,840 --> 03:13:43,520
I'm happy. I'm happy to know that M Mr.

4845
03:13:43,520 --> 03:13:46,800
Massuda I was in the spirit of trying.

4846
03:13:46,800 --> 03:13:46,800
Yeah. Yeah.

4847
03:13:46,800 --> 03:13:48,560
You all heard. We had a vote.

4848
03:13:48,560 --> 03:13:49,439
Yeah.

4849
03:13:49,439 --> 03:13:51,680
Um it was not successful. So, we move

4850
03:13:51,680 --> 03:13:52,560
on. That's all.

4851
03:13:52,560 --> 03:13:54,720
Mr. Massuda will Yeah.

4852
03:13:54,720 --> 03:13:57,120
And you'll you'll second.

4853
03:13:57,279 --> 03:13:58,960
I'll make the motion to support.

4854
03:13:58,960 --> 03:14:00,160
You represent the area. You should

4855
03:14:00,160 --> 03:14:00,560
second.

4856
03:14:00,560 --> 03:14:03,520
Oh, okay. Thank you. I'll second.

4857
03:14:03,520 --> 03:14:05,400
Thank you, Mr. Jones. I appreciate

4858
03:14:05,400 --> 03:14:06,800
approve the staff recommendation moved

4859
03:14:06,800 --> 03:14:10,720
by Mr. Massuda, second by Mayor Gordo.

4860
03:14:10,720 --> 03:14:12,720
Uh, roll call.

4861
03:14:13,279 --> 03:14:14,319
Council member Cole,

4862
03:14:14,319 --> 03:14:14,800
yes.

4863
03:14:14,800 --> 03:14:16,880
Council Hampton is absent. Council

4864
03:14:16,880 --> 03:14:17,279
Jones,

4865
03:14:17,279 --> 03:14:17,840
yes.

4866
03:14:17,840 --> 03:14:18,800
Council Lion,

4867
03:14:18,800 --> 03:14:19,279
yes.

4868
03:14:19,279 --> 03:14:20,160
Council Madison,

4869
03:14:20,160 --> 03:14:20,479
yes.

4870
03:14:20,479 --> 03:14:21,359
Council Msuda,

4871
03:14:21,359 --> 03:14:21,680
yes.

4872
03:14:21,680 --> 03:14:22,720
Vice Mayor Rivas,

4873
03:14:22,720 --> 03:14:24,399
no.

4874
03:14:24,399 --> 03:14:25,359
Mayor Gordo,

4875
03:14:25,359 --> 03:14:26,800
yes.

4876
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:28,800
Motion uh passes. Six in favor, one

4877
03:14:28,800 --> 03:14:30,800
against.

4878
03:14:30,960 --> 03:14:34,720
And then uh we have to do the ordinance.

4879
03:14:34,720 --> 03:14:36,239
Mr. MSU, you want to offer the

4880
03:14:36,239 --> 03:14:37,359
ordinance?

4881
03:14:37,359 --> 03:14:39,359
Yes, I would.

4882
03:14:39,359 --> 03:14:40,880
Yes, I would.

4883
03:14:40,880 --> 03:14:42,880
Okay. So,

4884
03:14:47,600 --> 03:14:49,439
there's the ordinance. There we go. This

4885
03:14:49,439 --> 03:14:51,760
is an uh interim urgency ordinance of

4886
03:14:51,760 --> 03:14:53,520
the city of Pasadena prohibiting urban

4887
03:14:53,520 --> 03:14:56,239
lot splits and construction of multi-

4888
03:14:56,239 --> 03:14:58,960
sorry construction of multiple dwellings

4889
03:14:58,960 --> 03:15:02,000
pursuant to Senate Bill 9 in very high

4890
03:15:02,000 --> 03:15:04,640
fire hazard severity zones within the

4891
03:15:04,640 --> 03:15:07,520
boundary of the Eden fire

4892
03:15:07,520 --> 03:15:09,400
uh to conduct first reading. Council

4893
03:15:09,400 --> 03:15:10,160
member Cole,

4894
03:15:10,160 --> 03:15:10,640
yes.

4895
03:15:10,640 --> 03:15:12,720
Council Hampton's absent. Council member

4896
03:15:12,720 --> 03:15:13,200
Jones,

4897
03:15:13,200 --> 03:15:13,520
yes.

4898
03:15:13,520 --> 03:15:14,399
Council Lion,

4899
03:15:14,399 --> 03:15:14,800
yes.

4900
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:15,760
Council member Madison,

4901
03:15:15,760 --> 03:15:16,160
yes.

4902
03:15:16,160 --> 03:15:17,120
Council Msuda,

4903
03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:18,560
yes. Vice Mayor Rivas,

4904
03:15:18,560 --> 03:15:20,560
no.

4905
03:15:20,560 --> 03:15:21,439
Mayor Gordo,

4906
03:15:21,439 --> 03:15:22,560
yes.

4907
03:15:22,560 --> 03:15:25,520
Uh, ordinance was successfully first

4908
03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:28,880
read, uh, with, uh, six in favor, one

4909
03:15:28,880 --> 03:15:30,880
against, one absent.

4910
03:15:30,880 --> 03:15:33,280
Okay. On the socialization.

4911
03:15:34,960 --> 03:15:36,960
Now, um,

4912
03:15:38,239 --> 03:15:39,600
that completes

4913
03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:43,400
that does complete. Item 14 was not

4914
03:15:43,400 --> 03:15:45,359
discussed and I don't see anybody left

4915
03:15:45,359 --> 03:15:48,000
over to give public comment on that.

4916
03:15:48,000 --> 03:15:52,560
Okay. Now I I would ask that we stand.

4917
03:15:52,560 --> 03:15:54,640
Mayor, before we do that, just in the

4918
03:15:54,640 --> 03:15:57,279
manner of agenda items and the like, um

4919
03:15:57,279 --> 03:15:59,400
I have asked a couple times that we

4920
03:15:59,400 --> 03:16:02,640
agendaize the Guanowato city sister city

4921
03:16:02,640 --> 03:16:06,000
um relationship. U there's an invitation

4922
03:16:06,000 --> 03:16:07,840
outstanding to the entire council and

4923
03:16:07,840 --> 03:16:10,239
the mayor to attend events next month.

4924
03:16:10,239 --> 03:16:13,520
Now the time is passing and um I'd like

4925
03:16:13,520 --> 03:16:14,800
to know if we're going to do that. If

4926
03:16:14,800 --> 03:16:17,359
not, then I'd request that we formally

4927
03:16:17,359 --> 03:16:19,200
agendaize a motion to put it on the

4928
03:16:19,200 --> 03:16:20,319
agenda. I would hope that's not

4929
03:16:20,319 --> 03:16:23,120
necessary. I think there's a you know

4930
03:16:23,120 --> 03:16:25,600
interest on all of our part to move

4931
03:16:25,600 --> 03:16:27,600
forward with a sister city relationship

4932
03:16:27,600 --> 03:16:31,200
in in Mexico. Um especially given the

4933
03:16:31,200 --> 03:16:34,399
events that we're living under now. So

4934
03:16:34,399 --> 03:16:36,560
um just would love to know your your

4935
03:16:36,560 --> 03:16:38,640
view on that. Well, my my view is, you

4936
03:16:38,640 --> 03:16:41,640
know, the sister city um

4937
03:16:43,520 --> 03:16:45,200
the sister city program is an

4938
03:16:45,200 --> 03:16:48,200
international program that focuses on

4939
03:16:48,239 --> 03:16:50,239
building relations

4940
03:16:50,239 --> 03:16:53,680
uh and working together. Um the fact

4941
03:16:53,680 --> 03:16:56,800
that, you know, the the the approach

4942
03:16:56,800 --> 03:17:00,319
fails to even take account, you know, or

4943
03:17:00,319 --> 03:17:03,120
go through our own sister city committee

4944
03:17:03,120 --> 03:17:05,279
um flies in the face of that spirit. Um,

4945
03:17:05,279 --> 03:17:09,359
I've not heard our sister city um

4946
03:17:09,359 --> 03:17:12,720
committee make a recommendation to us.

4947
03:17:12,720 --> 03:17:15,920
Um, and I'd be interested in modeling

4948
03:17:15,920 --> 03:17:18,800
what the sister city program is all

4949
03:17:18,800 --> 03:17:22,960
about right here in our city. And so um

4950
03:17:22,960 --> 03:17:27,160
I you know I happy to agendaize

4951
03:17:27,200 --> 03:17:31,400
that issue um and that question um

4952
03:17:31,760 --> 03:17:34,720
whether we should model in our own

4953
03:17:34,720 --> 03:17:37,720
process what the sister city

4954
03:17:38,399 --> 03:17:41,400
uh program attempts to achieve.

4955
03:17:41,400 --> 03:17:42,800
So, um,

4956
03:17:42,800 --> 03:17:44,319
yeah, I'm fine with that as long as it

4957
03:17:44,319 --> 03:17:47,439
includes the opportunity for us to, um,

4958
03:17:47,439 --> 03:17:49,520
you know, pursue that relationship with

4959
03:17:49,520 --> 03:17:51,840
Guanowato. I mean, there is a report. I

4960
03:17:51,840 --> 03:17:53,680
I don't think it's unanimous on the

4961
03:17:53,680 --> 03:17:56,560
sister city, but they they arranged a

4962
03:17:56,560 --> 03:17:59,560
visit here, they've visited there.

4963
03:18:00,800 --> 03:18:02,720
Uh, I think there's pretty overwhelming

4964
03:18:02,720 --> 03:18:05,120
support for it. Somehow it seems to have

4965
03:18:05,120 --> 03:18:06,960
been politicized there, and I'm not

4966
03:18:06,960 --> 03:18:08,640
interested in that. I want to move

4967
03:18:08,640 --> 03:18:10,640
forward. And frankly, it's embarrassing

4968
03:18:10,640 --> 03:18:13,400
now that we've hosted the mayor and

4969
03:18:13,400 --> 03:18:15,680
she's hosted a contingent and now she's

4970
03:18:15,680 --> 03:18:17,359
asked the council and the mayor to

4971
03:18:17,359 --> 03:18:19,359
attend the Day of the Dead uh

4972
03:18:19,359 --> 03:18:21,760
celebration with her. There's no other

4973
03:18:21,760 --> 03:18:23,840
alternative on the table, near as I can

4974
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:24,319
tell.

4975
03:18:24,319 --> 03:18:27,520
That's that's that's inaccurate, but I I

4976
03:18:27,520 --> 03:18:28,800
I would ask that the

4977
03:18:28,800 --> 03:18:30,239
there's no publicly available

4978
03:18:30,239 --> 03:18:32,239
information about any other alternative.

4979
03:18:32,239 --> 03:18:34,639
no politicized recommendation that's

4980
03:18:34,880 --> 03:18:37,400
made it appear that there's no one else

4981
03:18:37,400 --> 03:18:40,319
ready to participate. And so, you know,

4982
03:18:40,319 --> 03:18:42,640
I would ask that the sister city

4983
03:18:42,640 --> 03:18:44,239
committee

4984
03:18:44,239 --> 03:18:47,600
um weigh in and tell us uh whether there

4985
03:18:47,600 --> 03:18:50,600
are others under consideration whether

4986
03:18:51,400 --> 03:18:54,800
um that's their recommendation and then

4987
03:18:54,800 --> 03:18:56,560
we can make a decision. So, that's what

4988
03:18:56,560 --> 03:18:58,479
I would recommend.

4989
03:18:58,479 --> 03:19:01,200
So, we can we can have that discussion.

4990
03:19:01,200 --> 03:19:03,279
But will you include the option? Because

4991
03:19:03,279 --> 03:19:04,720
again, I would just I just want to make

4992
03:19:04,720 --> 03:19:07,520
sure that's included. So the council has

4993
03:19:07,520 --> 03:19:09,400
the power to do that. I don't I don't

4994
03:19:09,400 --> 03:19:11,600
want to get caught in a catch 22 if the

4995
03:19:11,600 --> 03:19:13,520
agenda doesn't include that.

4996
03:19:13,520 --> 03:19:15,439
Yeah, I'll I'll ask the sister city

4997
03:19:15,439 --> 03:19:18,319
committee their their view. Um because

4998
03:19:18,319 --> 03:19:20,720
they're they're the ones, you know, the

4999
03:19:20,720 --> 03:19:22,160
last time there was public comment here

5000
03:19:22,160 --> 03:19:25,600
on that issue. Um I suggested that we go

5001
03:19:25,600 --> 03:19:27,400
through the sister city committee and

5002
03:19:27,400 --> 03:19:29,120
one of the speakers said well we can

5003
03:19:29,120 --> 03:19:32,720
just you know essentially do it

5004
03:19:32,960 --> 03:19:34,560
ourselves

5005
03:19:34,560 --> 03:19:38,800
and that I think it was Mr. Gonzalez,

5006
03:19:38,800 --> 03:19:41,600
you know, and that just in my view that

5007
03:19:41,600 --> 03:19:44,160
approach flies in the face of what we're

5008
03:19:44,160 --> 03:19:47,279
trying to do. And so, you know, we'll

5009
03:19:47,279 --> 03:19:49,600
I'll ask the sister committee to weigh

5010
03:19:49,600 --> 03:19:51,400
in whether we should take their

5011
03:19:51,400 --> 03:19:54,640
recommendation so that that feedback is

5012
03:19:54,720 --> 03:19:57,200
before the council when we take the

5013
03:19:57,200 --> 03:19:59,200
issue up.

5014
03:19:59,279 --> 03:20:01,359
Yeah. So I'm going to ask then that we

5015
03:20:01,359 --> 03:20:04,000
formalize formally agendaize next Monday

5016
03:20:04,000 --> 03:20:07,200
a motion to pursue Guanowato so that

5017
03:20:07,200 --> 03:20:10,479
we'll have that option as well and u the

5018
03:20:10,479 --> 03:20:12,800
council will have to vote on that under

5019
03:20:12,800 --> 03:20:14,239
our rules of procedure to have it

5020
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:15,840
agendaized. That's unfortunate because

5021
03:20:15,840 --> 03:20:17,760
again maybe there are backroom

5022
03:20:17,760 --> 03:20:20,880
conversations but there's been no public

5023
03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:22,640
pursuit. No let me just finish there've

5024
03:20:22,640 --> 03:20:25,279
been no public uh information about any

5025
03:20:25,279 --> 03:20:27,439
other relationship. uh there have been

5026
03:20:27,439 --> 03:20:30,000
no visits by any other city. There have

5027
03:20:30,000 --> 03:20:32,800
been no uh nothing certainly publicly

5028
03:20:32,800 --> 03:20:34,239
available and it should be a public

5029
03:20:34,239 --> 03:20:34,880
process.

5030
03:20:34,880 --> 03:20:37,600
That that's that's an accurate one. Uh

5031
03:20:37,600 --> 03:20:41,279
there have been visits um and there have

5032
03:20:41,279 --> 03:20:43,200
been people who expressed an interest

5033
03:20:43,200 --> 03:20:45,359
and I've always referred them through

5034
03:20:45,359 --> 03:20:47,279
the appropriate process to go to sister

5035
03:20:47,279 --> 03:20:48,239
cities.

5036
03:20:48,239 --> 03:20:49,520
That's what's different about this

5037
03:20:49,520 --> 03:20:50,160
and we're talking

5038
03:20:50,160 --> 03:20:52,800
but I don't think sister city has done

5039
03:20:52,800 --> 03:20:54,160
anything nearly as substantial as what

5040
03:20:54,160 --> 03:20:56,160
they have with Guanowat though. I don't

5041
03:20:56,160 --> 03:20:59,600
I'm not aware of any official exchanges.

5042
03:20:59,600 --> 03:21:00,160
Um

5043
03:21:00,160 --> 03:21:01,439
but but yeah, we're probably getting too

5044
03:21:01,439 --> 03:21:01,840
far down.

5045
03:21:01,840 --> 03:21:06,160
I'm making a motion to have this agenda.

5046
03:21:06,160 --> 03:21:07,600
Can I do that tonight?

5047
03:21:07,600 --> 03:21:09,359
You can make it You can make a motion to

5048
03:21:09,359 --> 03:21:10,880
have a future agenda item. Yes.

5049
03:21:10,880 --> 03:21:12,800
Okay. I thought I had to.

5050
03:21:12,800 --> 03:21:13,120
Yeah, I think we have to listen.

5051
03:21:13,120 --> 03:21:14,560
I thought we had to agendaize that

5052
03:21:14,560 --> 03:21:15,279
motion. Yeah.

5053
03:21:15,279 --> 03:21:17,600
And so you're making a motion to have

5054
03:21:17,600 --> 03:21:20,319
this considered for the agenda at the

5055
03:21:20,319 --> 03:21:21,359
next meeting,

5056
03:21:21,359 --> 03:21:23,359
please. And

5057
03:21:23,760 --> 03:21:26,760
my understanding is the process

5058
03:21:27,359 --> 03:21:30,000
you want them to vote next week on

5059
03:21:30,000 --> 03:21:32,560
whether to put it on the agenda

5060
03:21:32,560 --> 03:21:34,479
to to agendaize

5061
03:21:34,479 --> 03:21:36,560
to agendaize a vote on whether to put it

5062
03:21:36,560 --> 03:21:37,359
on the agenda.

5063
03:21:37,359 --> 03:21:40,239
Right. That's what I'm trying to say,

5064
03:21:40,239 --> 03:21:42,800
which I think you just did, but

5065
03:21:42,800 --> 03:21:42,560
yes.

5066
03:21:42,560 --> 03:21:43,400
Okay.

5067
03:21:43,400 --> 03:21:44,000
That's the request.

5068
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:44,880
That's the request.

5069
03:21:44,880 --> 03:21:46,160
And I don't think it's a motion. I think

5070
03:21:46,160 --> 03:21:48,800
it's I make that request and it

5071
03:21:48,800 --> 03:21:50,800
goes on the agenda next Monday to vote

5072
03:21:50,800 --> 03:21:51,439
on.

5073
03:21:51,439 --> 03:21:53,359
So next week there will be an agenda

5074
03:21:53,359 --> 03:21:55,359
item that says consideration of a

5075
03:21:55,359 --> 03:21:57,439
request by council member Madison to

5076
03:21:57,439 --> 03:21:59,760
agendaize the sister city relationship

5077
03:21:59,760 --> 03:22:02,960
with Wanowatau Mexico. And that would be

5078
03:22:02,960 --> 03:22:06,800
an item on the agenda for a a vote. And

5079
03:22:06,800 --> 03:22:08,479
if if I have to do that, mayor, I'm

5080
03:22:08,479 --> 03:22:10,319
happy to include the things that you

5081
03:22:10,319 --> 03:22:12,239
articulated also that we should receive

5082
03:22:12,239 --> 03:22:14,640
feedback from the committee about their

5083
03:22:14,640 --> 03:22:17,400
efforts. And broadly speaking,

5084
03:22:17,200 --> 03:22:18,479
from which committee?

5085
03:22:18,479 --> 03:22:19,600
The sister city.

5086
03:22:19,600 --> 03:22:20,800
Yeah.

5087
03:22:20,800 --> 03:22:20,560
Yeah.

5088
03:22:20,560 --> 03:22:26,800
But but I I I do think we should ask for

5089
03:22:26,800 --> 03:22:28,479
um their input and follow the the

5090
03:22:28,479 --> 03:22:29,120
process.

5091
03:22:29,120 --> 03:22:29,680
Of course.

5092
03:22:29,680 --> 03:22:30,239
Yeah.

5093
03:22:30,239 --> 03:22:32,880
That that's fine. And so it's so I think

5094
03:22:32,880 --> 03:22:34,560
you've reached the end of the time for

5095
03:22:34,560 --> 03:22:36,800
it not being on the agenda to say we'd

5096
03:22:36,800 --> 03:22:38,560
like it discussed at a future meeting.

5097
03:22:38,560 --> 03:22:39,840
Mr. Massuda,

5098
03:22:39,840 --> 03:22:42,160
mayor, I I'm sure you're aware that the

5099
03:22:42,160 --> 03:22:45,760
sister cities uh group has split.

5100
03:22:46,319 --> 03:22:48,720
They they have a split there and uh that

5101
03:22:48,720 --> 03:22:51,400
makes it so unfortunate. So

5102
03:22:51,400 --> 03:22:52,880
uh I'm

5103
03:22:52,880 --> 03:22:56,800
and I mean I I know of it and I hear

5104
03:22:56,800 --> 03:22:59,680
about it. So, I'm kind of wondering uh

5105
03:22:59,680 --> 03:23:04,160
if if what we would do going forward,

5106
03:23:04,160 --> 03:23:06,560
you know, it's um

5107
03:23:06,960 --> 03:23:09,600
this may if not handled properly may

5108
03:23:09,600 --> 03:23:11,680
cause more of a split on the sister city

5109
03:23:11,680 --> 03:23:15,280
committee is my concern. So, so

5110
03:23:15,520 --> 03:23:17,920
um with that um

5111
03:23:19,439 --> 03:23:21,439
let's

5112
03:23:21,600 --> 03:23:23,279
anything else on that?

5113
03:23:23,279 --> 03:23:24,800
Where's Nina when we need her?

5114
03:23:24,800 --> 03:23:27,200
I know. I know.

5115
03:23:27,680 --> 03:23:31,920
So in that spirit, Mr. Madison, um let's

5116
03:23:31,920 --> 03:23:34,920
ask everyone to um stand

5117
03:23:36,640 --> 03:23:39,640
uh and um adjourn in

5118
03:23:41,279 --> 03:23:44,800
um the memory of three great

5119
03:23:44,800 --> 03:23:47,439
contributors to Pasadena. Uh and you

5120
03:23:47,439 --> 03:23:50,000
know I I always say that our city is

5121
03:23:50,000 --> 03:23:51,920
great not necessarily because of

5122
03:23:51,920 --> 03:23:56,120
buildings or you know um or architecture

5123
03:23:56,399 --> 03:23:58,319
but our city is great because of the

5124
03:23:58,319 --> 03:24:01,680
people. Um and you know they're these

5125
03:24:01,680 --> 03:24:03,279
are we're recognizing people who have

5126
03:24:03,279 --> 03:24:06,160
contributed greatly to our city uh to

5127
03:24:06,160 --> 03:24:08,960
make us who we are. And so I'd ask that

5128
03:24:08,960 --> 03:24:11,680
we stand and adjourn in memory of

5129
03:24:11,680 --> 03:24:15,520
Reverend Joan Taylor and Larry Edson uh

5130
03:24:15,520 --> 03:24:18,520
and uh Nina R. Chossky

5131
03:24:19,120 --> 03:24:23,439
and Mayor uh also we agree to um

5132
03:24:23,439 --> 03:24:26,560
to also adjourn in memory uh to the

5133
03:24:26,560 --> 03:24:28,960
civilians who've lost their lives uh in

5134
03:24:28,960 --> 03:24:30,960
Israel and Palestine.

5135
03:24:31,600 --> 03:24:34,000
Yes. Um and so

5136
03:24:35,520 --> 03:24:40,320
um if we'll observe a moment of silence.