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Good evening, everyone. We'll get started. This is the time and place set for the special meeting of the Board of Zoning Appeals of the City of Pasadena. My name is Lambert Geasinger, and I will be the chairperson for this hearing. At this time, the recording secretary will do the roll call.

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Commissioner Higgin-Botham. Here. Commissioner Hernandez. Here. Commissioner Delgado. Present. Commissioner Albrecht. Present. And Chair Geasinger. Present. We have Acora. Thank you. At this time, I would like to go over the procedure.

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First, the staff will present the case and recommendation and then the appellant and the applicant present their case to the board.

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This is followed by speakers in favor and against and our procedure is typically to limit speaking to the speaking time to 15 minutes for the appellant and the applicant with three minutes each for those persons speaking in favor and in opposition and a five minute rebuttal period for the appellant.

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After the testimony, the Board of Zoning Appeals will discuss the merits of the case and make a decision.

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The decision of the Board of Zoning Appeals is appealable to the City Council and must be filed within 10 days of the decision.

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And please note that any written documents submitted at this hearing will need to be summarized verbally for the Board to consider such items tonight.

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night. And with that, our first item on tonight's agenda is approval of the June 5th,

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2025 minutes. Has everyone had a chance to look at those? Juliana, you have a comment?

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No, I'll move to approve. Okay. I'll second.

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Moved and seconded. Any in opposition? No. None heard. Those minutes are approved.

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Now we

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I can turn to our main action item of tonight,

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master conditional use permit number 7318202 North Euclid Avenue.

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And these are the appeals of a minor conditional use permit,

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which was approved by the hearing officer of the June 18th,

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2025 public hearing.

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And the applicant proposes to establish a safe parking use

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for up to 25 vehicles in conjunction with a religious facility

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all Saints Church.

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and the subject site is within the public and semi-public zone district.

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With that, we can proceed with the staff report.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, Honourable Chair and Commissioners.

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My name is Alice Walker and I'm the staff planner for this item, and I will be providing an overview

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of the process thus far, the project and the staff recommendation.

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The project before you is the appeals of minor conditional use permit number 7 318 to allow a safe parking use for up to 25 vehicles in

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conjunction with the religious facility, which is all Saints Church. The entitlement is for a minor conditional use permit to allow the safe parking use, which is defined by the zoning code as a land use that is a safe parking or

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operator on property outside of the public right of way,

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and managed by a social service provider

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that provides individuals and families with vehicles

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a safe place to park overnight,

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and services to facilitate a transition to permanent housing.

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This property where the use is proposed

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is located in the public and semi-public zoning district.

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Safe parking may be allowed in conjunction

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with the religious assembly use,

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subject to the approval of a minor conditional use permit or MCUP within the PSZone

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District and a subject to specific land use requirements of the Zoning Code.

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This project was submitted in March 2025 and was approved by the Hearing Officer on June

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18th of this year.

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And the project is before you tonight as we've received three appeal applications in disagreement

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with the Hearing Officer's decision.

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Prior to the June 18th meeting earlier this year, staff received 22 comments in support

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of the project, 10 comments in opposition, and one comment requesting a continuance, all

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of which were forwarded to the hearing officer and posted on the city's website.

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The hearing officer at the meeting received a presentation of the staff report in which

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staff recommended approval of the minor conditional use permit.

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After staff's presentation, the applicant team provided a presentation in favor of

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the project, and following their presentation, 13 public comments were heard, five in support,

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and eight in opposition.

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After hearing the presentations and public testimony, the hearing officer closed the public hearing,

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Recommended modifications to staff's recommended conditions of approval.

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Local, including a requirement to provide indoor restroom facilities and approve the case. This

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hearing before you tonight is a denovo hearing where the board may uphold the decision of

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the hearing officer or make an entirely different decision. To provide context on the project

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site that you will be reviewing this evening, the slide before you shows a vicinity map for

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the Safe Parking Program proposed at 202 North Euclid Avenue.

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On this slide, this vicinity map identifies that the existing religious site is bound

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by Walnut Street to the north, Euclid Avenue to the east, Union Street to the south,

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and commercial uses to the west.

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The All Saints Church site consists of three continuous parcels under one single ownership.

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The northern two parcels are developed with surface parking and a small vacant building

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in the northwest corner.

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And the southern parcel is developed with religious facility buildings and a courtyard.

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The area highlighted in red, the northernmost parcel of the All Saints Church site, is identified

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on the site plan in the next line.

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This is the enlarged aerial map, which shows the proposed safe parking area.

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with the 25 proposed vehicle parking spaces numbered here.

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The site plan also shows the proposed location

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of the portable restroom facility and hand wash station available

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for the safe parking participants in light blue.

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The proposed safe parking, called Destination Hope Pasadena

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Program, would be a collaboration between all Saints Church

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and Shower of Hope, which is a nonprofit organization.

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The program is intended to provide services and a designated overnight parking area for up to 25 vehicles of unhoused individuals.

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As proposed, vehicles registered in the program would park within this existing surface parking lot.

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On this slide, images are provided as the viewer was looking at the area from Euclid Avenue in the top image,

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which is where access to the site would be provided for the safe parkers and also an

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image is provided looking south as though you were standing on Walnut Street.

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I will provide a brief overview of the proposed operations on this slide.

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The parking area would be available to participants from 7 p.m. and 7 a.m. daily.

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There would be an on-site portable restroom and hand-rushing station as we saw on the last slide.

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And a maximum of 25 people would be allowed on-site each night.

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For example, if two participants would be in one car and all other cars would be occupied by only one person,

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then 24 cars would be allowed on-site.

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and not all 25 spaces that could be used would be occupied.

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So to summarize, a maximum of 25 individuals would be allowed

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as part of the program at any one time.

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In order to participate in the program, participants must agree to the safe parking rules and guidelines.

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Under this agreement, individuals commit to not have weapons, alcohol or drugs on site.

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shall not litter, may not cook, must keep their area tidy, may not play loud music,

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must keep all pets leashed outside their vehicles, and must follow other requirements consistent with the zoning code.

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Only registered participants and their vehicles would be allowed to park on-site during the program hours,

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and would not be allowed to have guests.

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Should a participant violate the program agreement, they may be removed from the program.

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One state-certified security guard would be required to actively monitor the site to ensure that valid

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participant parking passes are visible at all times in the vehicles and that there are no

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issues throughout the evening. In addition, a representative of the program must be available

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during all hours of operation to receive phone calls if any issues arise. The contact information

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would be visible from the public right away at the All Saints Church office and

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provided to the Zoning Administrator.

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Shower of hope would manage and operate intake, case management, and provide

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resources to participants as they seek employment and or permanent housing.

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On June 30, staff received three appeal requests, two from nearby property

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ownership groups, and one from the applicant.

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The entirety of the appeal application,

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Questions with both staff and hearing officer responses were included within the staff report and related attachments. For the purpose of this presentation, only five general appeal points will be addressed. From the first two appellants, we generally have the first three appeal points listed on the side that will be discussed in the following slides. The first, that the zoning code does not allow an MCUP for the use because the location is a

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commercial parking lot and not used for religious worship.

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The second, the zoning code does not allow the proposed use, which would be detrimental

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to the health, safety, and general welfare of neighborhood residents and workers.

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And the third, the use is ineligible for a class one existing facility's categorical

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exemption under CEQA.

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Apellant II raised the fourth point.

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ARE Pasadena number five LLC, learned of the project one day before the hearing and submitted

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a letter of continuance to provide additional time to understand the project and meet

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with the applicant in the city, the hearing officer did not grant the continuance.

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And the fifth appeal point we'll discuss tonight is from the applicant or appellant three,

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which is the requirement to use the indoor restrooms creates an undue financial burden, whereas

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as the current arrangement of providing a porta potty

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has proven successful for a similar use in the past.

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In the following slides, the summarized appeal points

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will be addressed with staff's response

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and we'll go over again those appeal points at the top.

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So the first again, the zoning code does not allow

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an MCUP for the use because the location

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is a commercial parking lot and not used

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for religious worship.

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Staff responses summarized in the italics, and I'll summarize as well.

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The All Saints Church site consists of three contiguous parcels under single ownership.

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The northern two parcels are developed with surface parking, and the southern parcel

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is developed with a religious facility building and the courtyard.

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The zoning code provides a glossary which defines site as a lot or group of contiguous lots.

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not divided by any alley, street, or other right of wave, or city limit that is proposed

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for development in accord with the provisions of this zoning code, and is in a single

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ownership or has multiple owners, all of whom join in an application for development.

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The parking lot provides parking for the religious facility in addition to serving as paid parking

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for the courthouse.

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The parking lot is in use in the day and evening by the religious facility.

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In addition to the weekday parking activity, this religious facility uses the parking

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spaces in the lot during evening activities, as well as on the weekends and during special

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events.

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The second appeal point, the zoning code does not allow the proposed use which would be detrimental

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to the health, safety, and general welfare of neighborhood residents and workers.

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Staff's response is as follows.

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The recommended conditions of approval require oversight of the program by an on-site state-certified security guard,

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and also limits outdoor lighting, excuse me, and also provides requirements for outdoor lighting,

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and also limits outdoor activities.

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The project was reviewed by our Pasadena Police Department and based on existing call for service records and the proposed operations,

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the Pasadena Police Department has expressed no concerns with the proposed use.

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Collectively, with the conditions of approval for recommended, these measures provide adequate safeguards to address neighborhood safety concerns.

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Such conditions that are included in the recommended conditions of approval include condition

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9, which limits where activities associated with the safe parking use may occur.

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Condition 11, which requires a representative of the program that must be available to take

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calls at all times and respond in a timely manner.

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Condition number 14, that requires that only participants of the program shall be allowed

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on-site and must validate that they are participants by having their parking

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passes displayed at all times. Condition number 19 that requires that no

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personal items shall be located outside their vehicles, no music shall be

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audible, they shall have no food preparation that could be a disturbance, no

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camping tarps or no tents.

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Actors attached to the vehicles, and condition number 21 related to the state certified security

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guard.

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The next appeal point is that the proposed use is ineligible for a class one existing

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facilities, categorical exemption under CEQA. Seeker requires that the proposed project

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be compared to the existing conditions. The existing conditions are then considered the

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environmental baseline and are used to assess the environmental impacts of a project.

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In the case of Olsen's Church, religious services, community serving activities, surface parking,

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services for people experiencing homelessness, and other activities of the sort have occurred

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at the site for many years.

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A class one categorical exemption includes the operation or permitting of existing structures

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where there is negligible or no expansion of use.

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The proposed use would not result in any alteration

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of the existing building or project site.

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The applicant has provided a list of weekly events

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in which the parking lot is used

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by religious facility volunteers, parishioners or staff.

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These include youth night and adult choir practices

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which occur on Wednesday and Thursday nights respectively

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each week until 10 p.m.

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Additionally, it should be noted that the number of parking spaces within the existing parking

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law area is not increasing.

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The religious facility presently also operates the Safe Haven temporary homeless shelter on

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the property nightly, which is an operation similar to the Safe Parking use, and I will discuss

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a little bit, a little later in this presentation.

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PO point number four is related to the issue that appellant number two brought up, that

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appellant two learned of the project one day before the hearing and submitted a letter

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of continuance to provide additional time to understand the project, meet with the applicant

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and the city, and that the hearing officer did not grant this continuance.

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Staff's response is that owners of the properties within a 300 foot radius were mailed to public

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notice two weeks before the meeting date as required by the zoning code and notice boards

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were established at the site also as required by the zoning code.

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The hearing officer may use their discretion to grant a requested continuance and in this

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case he chose not to grant the continuance.

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In response to the third appeal, the requirement to, the appeal point, what, or the fifth

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appeal point was that the requirement to use the indoor restrooms creates an undue financial

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burden, whereas the current arrangement of providing a porta-body has proven successful

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for similar use in the past.

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The response to this appeal from staff is that the hearing officer clarifying his addendum

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But the intent of the interior restroom access is to ensure that restroom facilities will only be accessible to safe parking participants and not to the general public during program hours.

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The hearing officer confirmed that secured restroom facilities such as a locked portable restroom within the safe parking area with an access key or code would be adequate to meet the intent of this approved condition.

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To address the hearing officer's clarification, staff has provided a recommended condition

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of approval to be discussed in the next two slides.

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As referred in a response to the Class 1 Secret Categorical Exemption Appeal Plaint, there

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is an existing approved temporary homeless shelter use at the All Saints site that was approved

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under Conditional Use Permit 6898 in September 2021.

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one. The approved site plan is identified on this slide.

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Presently, the homeless shelter participants sleep overnight in the area near

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Vegas Hall identified in red. To access the restroom facilities, the participants

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follow the red dotted path and walk along the sidewalk at Euclid Avenue to the

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portable restroom within the parking lot to the south of the proposed safe parking

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area. As adopted by the Hearing Officer for the Safe Parking Program, Condition 12 identified

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at the bottom of this slide required that the Safe Parking participants have access

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to the indoor restroom facilities. The path of travel to the restrooms from the Safe Parking

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area. It's identified with the light blue dot.

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I would also need to travel along the sidewalk of Euclid Avenue and through the homeless

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shelter approved sleeping area. As such, the path of travel could become a disruption

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to the homeless sheltered user's sleep.

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With additional knowledge of the hearing

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officers' intention for the Safe Parking Program to have secured restroom facilities,

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the potential disruption to the homeless temporary homeless shelter's participants, and the path

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of travel along the sidewalk. Staff recommends a revision to condition number 12 from the

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safe parking condition of approval. This recommendation is to change the language to

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as follows. Water, trash, and restroom facilities shall be provided, maintained, and accessible

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to clients during safe parking facility hours. The portable restroom facility shall be accessible

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to the Safe Parking Program participants only.

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IE locked and equipped with a key code mechanism.

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Participants from the Safe Haven temporary homeless shelter

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shall utilize a restroom inside the church facilities.

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An updated site plan showing the relocated portable restroom

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from the South Parking Law to the Safe Parking Program Law

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and the proposed indoor restroom locations

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for the Safe Haven temporary homeless shelter

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is shown before you on this slide.

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Staff concludes that as proposed,

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the use wouldn't meet the specific land use requirements

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of the zoning code for safe parking uses

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and the objectives of the general plan

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to provide services supporting people

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who are experiencing homelessness

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and meet the diverse needs of passing your residents.

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In addition, conditions of approval are recommended

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to ensure on-site monitoring compliance with noise regulations and then a representative

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is available to assist concerns of the community.

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In conclusion, staff recommends that the Board of Zoning Appeals adopt the environmental

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determination and the specific findings in attachment A to approve the minor conditional

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use permit with the conditions in attachment B. I would like to note that prior to this hearing,

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three comments were submitted which were all emailed to the Board of Zoning Appeals and posted on the website.

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This concludes staff's presentation and both myself and the Zoning Administrator are available for questions.

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Thank you very much. Are there questions clarifying questions from Board members?

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I have a kind of a long list of questions, I'm not sure if it should be for staff or

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the operator.

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No, no.

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Right now we want to do any clarifying questions that staff can answer.

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Then we're going to hear from the two appellans and you could ask questions then if there's

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something in these two clarifications.

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No.

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I think I'll ask you the staff.

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Okay.

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I'll ask you that.

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And we'll just see if it's not correct and forgive me.

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I was concerned about the age of the participants so they can have infants, is that correct, and very young children?

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And then what happens if infants make noise all night and disrupt the other people that are asleep?

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How does that work?

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I have a question to the operators in terms of the age range for the participants.

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Do we have the operator here?

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Yes, they're the applicant.

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Are they going to do a presentation?

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Okay, so maybe I'll just hold off on all of these, because I've got about 10 questions

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and they seem to be operational.

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Okay, thank you.

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Any other clarifying questions of staff?

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You're looking or you're good.

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I'm looking.

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I'm doing the same thing as Commissioner Doug Gatto, because they're mixed into questions

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for staff or mostly the operator.

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But do you have maybe one question I guess, and again maybe it's a code, because when you

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talk about a vehicle, are we talking just about a car?

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Are we talking about a van or both?

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The zoning code for the safe parking use does not limit just to vehicles.

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It does allow recreational vehicles as well.

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We can also ask the operator if the participants or the interested participants are just in vehicles or also in RVs.

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I

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guess a condition question then regarding the 48 hours of notice that seems to me

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a long time to get back to answering a question for somebody if that could be reduced.

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Yes, we can definitely answer.

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We can definitely lower the timeline, but it's as soon as possible. I believe that's how the condition leads up to 48 hours. But we can definitely lower. Thank you.

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Michael, will we be able to ask questions of staff? We've heard the applicant presentations. Absolutely. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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If there are no more clarifying questions of staff,

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staff will move to appellant number one,

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Silvio Nargione, representing the Maryland

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homeowners association.

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So when do you have the applicant?

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When is the applicant?

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You have 15 minutes to present Silvio.

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Thank you. Good evening and thank you for the opportunity to address the board.

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Let me see if I understand correctly the task that the board must perform

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in deciding whether to approve the minor conditional use permit.

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It must make at least two findings, one that the proposed use of the property in question

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is in conformity with the law governing the zoning regulations applicable to the site.

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And the second is that there is an actual finding by this board that granting the conditional

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use permit will be consistent with the health welfare and safety of the surrounding neighborhood.

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Those are the two things that this board must find in order to uphold the granting of

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the conditional use permit by the hearing officer.

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Let me address each of those in turn.

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The first issue is whether or not this is a permitted use with the zoning that is presently

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in place for the site in question.

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As you heard during the course of the staff presentation,

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there were several different terms applied

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to this proposed use.

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One was religious facility.

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Another one was religious site.

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But then we saw from the staff presentation

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that the term site is limited to contiguous parcels

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which are proposed for development.

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As far as I understand, the minor conditional use permit

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submitted by the applicant does not propose

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a development on these lots.

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And therefore, the definition of sight

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as provided in the staff report does not apply.

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Instead, what applies is the definition of religious facility.

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And a religious facility is a location

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where religious worship services and other activities are undertaken by a religious

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nature are undertaken by the religious institution. At present from the description in the staff

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report, the only activity of a religious nature that occurs on any of these properties owned by

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all saints is on the southernmost parcel. That's where the sanctuary and the other related buildings

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where these activities occur.

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I would suggest you that parking a car is not a religious activity and therefore it doesn't

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qualify the parking lot for inclusion in a religious facility per se.

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And more importantly, the overwhelming use of this facility or the use of the northern

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most parcel is for a commercial parking lot.

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So, this is not a use that is permitted under the zoning code for a religious facility

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because the lot in question is not part of a religious facility.

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I live at the Maryland and I know from walking by this property at all hours of the day,

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that it is occasionally used for parking as the staff report indicates.

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Wednesday and Thursday night they have fire practice, that's fine.

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But this proposed program would drastically increase the amount of usage of this property

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for something that is not a religious activity.

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This is a different program of entirely different nature.

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I don't think that the proposed use of a commercial parking lot for this safe parking program is

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consistent with the law and you the board must find that it is in fact consistent with the applicable zoning regulations and the definition of a site as proposed by the staff

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Does not cure the problem that this is commercial property on which all saints pays taxes as a commercial property, not as a religious facility. If it was a religious facility, they would be exempt from the ad valorem taxes, but they don't. They pay the taxes based upon its zoning as a commercial property. So I think that the proposed use of this property is not consistent with

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the law that governs its zoning as indicated by the zoning classification in which the property

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is assigned. That is, it is commercial property. The second obligation and finding that

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this board must make is that the operation of the safe parking program will be consistent

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them with the health, welfare, and safety of the surrounding community.

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And there's two parts to that.

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One is, will the activity itself affect the health, welfare, and safety of the surrounding

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community?

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What we're told is going to happen is that we're going to have 25 cars every night lining up

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along Euclid or someplace in the neighborhood waiting to get into the property at 7 p.m.

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It's unlikely to think that they're all just going to show up exactly at 7 p.m. So

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we're going to have a number of people who may be coming from places far away from the

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location of the safe parking program who are in the neighborhood awaiting the entry time

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of 7 p.m. Secondly, what we have is a situation where we have to inquire into the credibility

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and capacity of the applicant to safely operate the program that they propose. And in

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that regard, I think the board must find that this applicant does not have a history that

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supports a finding that they have the capacity, the capability and the credibility to operate

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this program. So let me start with the credibility issue. We've heard tonight from the staff

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that the Safe Haven program has been operating at the religious facility that is on the actual

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property designated as a religious site for a number of years.

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What we do have in the record is that more than in that period of time, more than 400 times, the police has been called to that location,

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to on a variety of things that are all public disturbances or sometimes even more aggravated than that.

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This suggests that in fact the operation of the Safe Haven program has not been of a sort

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that would recommend the applicant as a competent operator of any kind of program.

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Why have there been so many calls?

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I think the answer is simply this.

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They have ignored one of the express conditions of that use permit which is to have an

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And on-site security officer present at the location every night at the hearing before

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the hearing officer, the applicants representative admitted that they do not have such security

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persons on site all the time.

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And, in fact, there has been code enforcement called into examine the security operations

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of the Safe Haven program and each time found that they were in violation because there

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was no security officer present overnight as promised and as required by the conditions

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and the other conditional use permit granted to all states.

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So, I think there is a real question of whether or not we have an entity that is actually

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willing to comply with its stated conditions of an existing permit, and if you have someone

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out of compliance with its present permit, why would you grant another one?

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You cannot find based on the record before this board that the All Saints Church is a competent

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and compliant operator of its existing program and much less should be allowed to expand

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the scope of programs that they operate.

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So I think there's, first of all, a lack of showing in the record that...

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They have the ability to actually manage and properly operate a program of the sort they're proposing. The second has to do with whether or not this is a program that will in fact be consistent with the health, welfare and safety of the environment, the surrounding community. Now, we know that we're literally just a block away from this proposed location for the safe parking program.

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And this is an area of the city, it's the central area of the city of Pasadena, containing

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many historic buildings.

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And what we're told is we're proposing, they're proposing to bring in a program that

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will bring in people from all over to the, basically a migrant community on an overnight basis,

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365 days a year.

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I don't think that's an actual, that's a use that's consistent with the surrounding

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community.

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There are residences in addition to the Maryland.

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There's no residences on the north side of Walnut.

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There's a large number of people who will be negatively affected by the operation of

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this program.

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I think that there is a good reason, a sufficient reason for this board to conclude that

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it is inconsistent with the nature of the surrounding community to grant this application.

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And finally, I would say this, that we have a proposal that is put forward by people

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who have no skin in the game.

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None of the people who are actively supporting this proposal live in the very neighborhood

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but that will be effective.

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It's like saying, we would like this problem to be solved

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by these people over here while we live over here.

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I think that kind of proposal does not mirror

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this board's approval.

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And for those reasons, I suggest that the board

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overturn the hearing officer's decision

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and deny the application for the conditional use permit.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We'll hear from the second appellant who is ARE Pasadena No. 5 LLC.

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Do we have a ref?

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Yes.

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From them.

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There you are.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, Chair Keesinger and members of the board.

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My name is Jennifer Erickson.

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On behalf of Alexander of Real Estate.

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Thank you so much for the opportunity to speak with you this evening.

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We care very much about this city and believe the best results are achieved when folks sit down and work together in that spirit are asking straightforward to request a 45 day extension of the board's decision to allow the parties to meet and work this out.

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We believe the parties need time to sit down and work on the conditions of approval so that they can address legitimate concerns that have been raised. Thank you.

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Thank you. Next we'll hear from the applicant, Erica Tamplin, Vallsaints.

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Good

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evening. Thank you for having us here. My name is Erica Tamplin, I'm a

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parishioner and a member of the Vestry at All Saints Church.

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I am the person

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who manages the Safe Haven program for All Saints among other people who

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participate as well. And also we work with the port team and the hope team and people

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from union station. We also work with the Howdy County Health Department to provide

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other services as well. We have to this date house gotten 60 people into permanent

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supportive housing and we're very proud of that. We believe that this is part of our responsibility

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community. And so when Bill Long came to us, we used to be the housing director and asked

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us if we'd be willing to provide a safe parking program in that particular part of our

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contiguous parking lot, we said, sure, let's give it a shot. Let's see if we can do that.

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And we searched with and found an operator that operates these programs. And that's the

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showers of hope with whom we work on Mondays to provide showers to individuals and people

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from the housing department and some of the clergy and I went and looked at the operations

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and found that they operated very well.

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He was granted with conditions and we do have an objection to condition number 12. The reason that is that we don't, in order for us to provide indoor restroom access to the individuals, we would have to provide security or staff to escort them through and turn off the alarms, unlock them, wait for them to use the facility, then lock it and escort them back to the vehicle. And it's just

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just a significant amount of money that's a financial hardship for the church.

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That's why we've filed this.

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What I would like to do now is introduce to you Mel Tilla Katnery, who operates the

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showers of hope and the Safe Parking Program, and he'll explain to you operational issues

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and answer any of your questions.

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Thank you.

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No?

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Commissioner Geissinger and all other commissioners, I track Geissing and all other commissioners.

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and members of all teams, members who are here.

450
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:08,150
My name is Mel Telekaratna

451
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:10,550
and we will be operating the Safe Parking Program

452
00:41:11,110 --> 00:41:13,290
at All Saints Episcopal.

453
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:17,350
Wanna to mention a couple of things

454
00:41:17,350 --> 00:41:19,890
when talking about this program.

455
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:23,350
First off, we operate three Safe Parking Programs

456
00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:25,430
currently or within the city of LA.

457
00:41:26,350 --> 00:41:29,730
Two are traditional, just like this overnight parking programs.

458
00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:36,870
the 3rd is the first RE program of Safe Parking Program for RVs in Southern California.

459
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:42,390
We've been operating our RE program, Safe Parking Program since 2019,

460
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:49,630
and not just within us, but when you look at the operation of all Safe Parking Programs

461
00:41:49,630 --> 00:41:55,450
within the city and Southern California, they're considered one of the most effective programs.

462
00:41:55,450 --> 00:42:02,390
And the reason for that is, even within the unhoused population, there are certain levels.

463
00:42:04,410 --> 00:42:06,010
We all see the folks on the street.

464
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:07,850
We all see the folks coming out of a tent.

465
00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:11,170
We all understand the vulnerability of those folks.

466
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:15,310
We serve those folks without, through our showers.

467
00:42:16,930 --> 00:42:24,790
But the folks that this program and all safe parking programs are built to help our folks

468
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:26,670
who have a much higher level of stability.

469
00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:37,430
These are folks who, I would say above 40% who are working at least part time, these are

470
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:40,530
folks who might be going through some sort of illness.

471
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:45,370
We've had multiple people who are discharged from hospitals, they were evicted from their

472
00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:51,970
homes while they were hospitalized and they have no place to stay unless they become stable.

473
00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:58,630
and then the majority of the participants in our programs and all our, say, all

474
00:42:58,630 --> 00:43:04,350
safe parking programs are women because they actually share the same concerns

475
00:43:04,350 --> 00:43:10,130
as the opposition to this conditional permit. One of the first things that I

476
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:15,550
heard from one of our first participants when I asked, the question that most of

477
00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:20,050
you would have, right, you have all of Pasadena, why would you choose to

478
00:43:20,050 --> 00:43:25,330
stay in this parking lot and this participant whose name was neighbor said that

479
00:43:25,330 --> 00:43:30,330
it wasn't the natural the fact that they've been attacked. They said that in

480
00:43:30,330 --> 00:43:35,590
the morning like you know when the sun rises people would literally knock on her

481
00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:41,290
window to get her attention. Not to say anything just while they're on their way

482
00:43:41,290 --> 00:43:45,850
wherever they would knock on the window and wake her up because she was a female

483
00:43:45,850 --> 00:43:50,730
sleeping in a car. That is the majority of the participants who come into safe

484
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:55,030
parking. That's why it's called safe parking. The people who come into these

485
00:43:55,030 --> 00:44:01,330
programs want safety. If they wanted to bother the community, lasting the thing

486
00:44:01,330 --> 00:44:05,750
they would want is to come into a program that has security that is monitored,

487
00:44:06,330 --> 00:44:10,370
that will have cameras and do something on camera that is going to affect their

488
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:16,390
neighbors. So I wanted to define, first of all, what safe parking is and why we have it.

489
00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:22,490
Second, with this program, it is not a program where people can come in and out, people

490
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:27,910
can do what they want. There are strict rules and requirements. You saw some of those up

491
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:34,830
there, but mainly the main requirement of this program is you don't do anything that affects

492
00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:39,610
your neighbors. And when I mean that, I'm not just talking about the neighbors in the

493
00:44:39,610 --> 00:44:45,870
cars next door but including everybody in the immediate community because it's not

494
00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:50,430
just one people this will be up to to four up to 25 participants and there's no

495
00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:55,710
point in calling it a safe parking program if one participant ruins it for

496
00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:59,390
everyone else. We are strict in our programming we

497
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,400
We will have multiple mediations with participants who are not willing to follow the rules. If it

498
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,780
is a strict violation of our rules where they do affect either other participants or any

499
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:17,900
of the neighbors around this program, we will immediately exit them from the program.

500
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:27,440
When it comes to who we choose to the program, we do take extensive information from every

501
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,440
person who applies, which means, again, going back to the point of who would want to apply

502
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,960
to a program like this and cost trouble, because we do have the information, and if they

503
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,720
do something that aren't supposed to, that's immediately notified to the authorities.

504
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,920
So all participants have to develop all the information, including the vehicle information,

505
00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:52,940
they're given a permit that has to be displayed while they're in the program.

506
00:45:52,940 --> 00:46:04,840
and if the permit is renewed monthly to make sure that all the folks who are participants in the program are in good standing with the program.

507
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:15,320
And going back to one of the conditional statutes that was presented here, there would be a security person on site throughout the whole duration of the program.

508
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:26,000
And the number that was in question to be listed, the number is would route directly to a 24-hour security dispatch through the security company we use.

509
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:35,320
And if there's ever any issues overnight that need immediate attention, the number would be routed directly to myself as the executive director of the program.

510
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:42,980
because I want to make sure any issues that are arising within the parking program are addressed

511
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:48,640
immediately and in a way that doesn't affect anyone and make sure any problems are resolved.

512
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,760
As far as

513
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,800
the other concerns that I saw brought up within the last hearing,

514
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:07,400
the mobile bathroom, the part of John would be locked during the daytime. At night time when it is

515
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,660
open, it would only be available for the participants in the program.

516
00:47:13,340 --> 00:47:17,760
And then the participants can't leave their vehicle and walk away.

517
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,980
So I understand the concerns from neighbors or people showing up.

518
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:25,180
But participants cannot leave their vehicle.

519
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,180
If they're in the program, they have to stay within their vehicle.

520
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:36,240
So in summary, what I want to say is basically, this is a strict program.

521
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:42,980
We, we really hold our standards to our participants because if they want to be in the program,

522
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:48,960
if they want to make use of our facilities, one, they have to make sure they are not affecting

523
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:55,280
their neighbors in a negative way, two, they're working towards getting more stable and what we

524
00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:01,500
mean by that is we help people with employment and even more we help people getting to stable housing.

525
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:08,180
Our goal is not to keep them in vehicles. Our goal is to get that vulnerable person where they'd be a female,

526
00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:15,880
where they'd be a couple, where they'd be a male into a better, better living situation than living in a car.

527
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,600
Because we understand living in a car is not something that a person should do for more than a short period of time.

528
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,140
So thank you for listening to my presentation. I'm open to any questions you have.

529
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:28,500
My question.

530
00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:29,400
Yes.

531
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:30,140
Go ahead.

532
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:30,820
Okay.

533
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:32,880
May I call you, Mel?

534
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:34,800
You can try my last name.

535
00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:35,220
Okay.

536
00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:35,940
I'll show you.

537
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:36,700
You can call Mel.

538
00:48:37,620 --> 00:48:38,360
Thank you.

539
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,380
And thank you for being here and for your presentation.

540
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:44,920
I do have a number of questions that are operational.

541
00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:50,840
I was curious whether the vehicles that are in the program, are they registered in Pasadena

542
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,240
or can anybody from anywhere be a participant in the program?

543
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:59,100
We don't have a restriction for where those vehicles are registered, no.

544
00:48:59,380 --> 00:49:12,880
Okay. And then what about the age of the participants? Can you have infants? And what happens if there is a mother with a child and that child is ill or at night they're making noise, how do you handle something like that?

545
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:21,540
That's a really good question, Commissioner. And that's the value of these programs. Sometimes we do get parents coming with very young children.

546
00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:28,720
So, if it's in the point of an infant, for those situations there are motel vouchers,

547
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:30,560
there are interim shelters available.

548
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,260
So, we would work with the neighboring specifically union station homeless services

549
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:42,140
to other programs to make sure that if it's an infant, that they're immediately transitioned

550
00:49:42,140 --> 00:49:46,220
into, like I said, a motel program or a shelter.

551
00:49:46,220 --> 00:49:53,820
Now, when it comes to infants, the reality, especially even here in Pasadena during when

552
00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:59,460
a time it gets really cold, they shouldn't be in a vehicle, so we would not love that.

553
00:49:59,620 --> 00:49:59,980
It would be...

554
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,240
Depend if it is an infant, we would not allow that. And again, that's a value of these programs

555
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:10,400
is rather than a person just trying to hide their cars somewhere away and keep an infant

556
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:16,780
and the worst thing happened. They would come to us, we would send them over to a more stable

557
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:24,020
environment. And if we do see that the parents are not being responsible, we would immediately alert

558
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:27,940
the parties and DCFS to take the next step from there.

559
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:29,360
Okay, thank you.

560
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:37,040
Also, let me see, how many participants can be sheltered in one vehicle?

561
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:41,240
Since you're allowing RVs and campers, is there a maximum number?

562
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,960
So that's a good question. We, in the initial conditional permit,

563
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,940
there was language that there was not going to be any RVs.

564
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,660
So my understanding is that RVs would not be allowed in this program.

565
00:50:55,700 --> 00:51:00,800
Does it say that in the, is there a condition? Do we want to condition that?

566
00:51:00,940 --> 00:51:03,840
That RVs are not included or campers are not included?

567
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:06,960
At this time, there's no conditions, but we can add that.

568
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,860
Okay, all right, so that's the understanding.

569
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:15,280
Also, I know that on Wednesday and Thursday evenings, the church does have activities

570
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,800
up until 10 or 11 o'clock at night.

571
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:27,820
and there's a lot of overflow of parking and I have been there on those evenings where they're parked in the court where the court normally parks and the whole thing.

572
00:51:28,020 --> 00:51:39,780
So how are you going to block off that the sheltered parking area and make sure that none of the parishioners or people who are doing the activities are going into that lot?

573
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,460
How does that work exactly?

574
00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:47,160
That's a good question. So I do want to, I do really want to, you know, appreciate

575
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,860
Pasitim and Erica and everyone else from all saints. The reason we were selected and

576
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:56,940
the reason we want to work with all saints is because they really care about the program

577
00:51:56,940 --> 00:52:02,480
and what we've discussed is reserving spaces where the security would be there to make sure

578
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:08,160
there's adequate parking for the participants as well as making sure there's adequate parking

579
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:13,080
for the parishioners. It's also something we communicate to our participants that there

580
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:18,640
will be events going on specifically when it's scheduled events. And another thing is participants

581
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:24,480
don't all come at 7 p.m. Like I mentioned before there are participants who are working participants

582
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:31,960
who might be visiting friends relatives. They come in between 7 and 9 p.m. So with that staggered

583
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:37,560
flow and with an event happening, we can communicate to our participants to make sure that they

584
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:43,000
know that event is happening and make sure that if there are participants who need to be

585
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,740
there early, we reserve the space for them and the other participants know to come in at

586
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:52,140
a time that won't affect the parking for the parishioners as well as the rest of the participants.

587
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:59,060
So, would you also consider putting up some kind of a barricade over that entrance so that the folks

588
00:52:59,060 --> 00:53:04,620
that need to park there on a temporary basis for an activity don't go into that area, you know,

589
00:53:04,620 --> 00:53:06,160
We would call off the spaces.

590
00:53:06,820 --> 00:53:07,020
Okay.

591
00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:08,660
Okay.

592
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:12,420
So I will always curious to have just a few more.

593
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:16,680
Where is the security guard actually stationed?

594
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,700
Is that person have a vehicle in that lot?

595
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:21,040
Do they, I mean, where are they at 3 o'clock in the morning?

596
00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:23,400
They're not standing at the entrance most likely.

597
00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:26,360
And it doesn't show that on the site map.

598
00:53:26,540 --> 00:53:28,080
Where are they going to be located?

599
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,860
So the security officer would have a vehicle once the entry closes.

600
00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:39,460
he would stay in the vehicle and do patrols every hour.

601
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:45,040
And then what we want to do is make sure that their vehicle is moved every hour

602
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,140
to a different position from one side of the entrance to the other,

603
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,660
just to make sure that there's a better view point.

604
00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:57,740
And then there's also, you know, we maximize the, you know, what he can observe.

605
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,020
Okay, and you mentioned there would be cameras. Where are the cameras positioned?

606
00:54:02,020 --> 00:54:05,000
So, we are going to use the cameras that all

607
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,820
central already have and also add cameras.

608
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,840
So, we have a complete view of the whole parking lot.

609
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:13,680
Okay. Thank you.

610
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:21,400
All right. So, you kind of mentioned what happens, I'm curious what happens with the security

611
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,760
guard. If that person, the security guard, let's say, has an emergency or is ill or for some

612
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:33,200
reason has to leave. How is that handled? And let's say it's at two o'clock in the morning,

613
00:54:33,460 --> 00:54:37,400
how do you handle something like that? That happens occasionally. So the security company has

614
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:43,620
supporters who are roving. They stop at all. There are other sites that they work with. So in the

615
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:48,920
event of security person has to leave, which happens, that supporters would come in and take over

616
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:55,500
that shift until another security officer is able to relieve them. Okay. Let's see what else.

617
00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:59,880
So you mentioned that there's a certain time limit where they can come in.

618
00:55:00,110 --> 00:55:30,050
What if they, what if they work like a night shift and they have to come in at two o'clock in the morning, is that okay? Or can they leave it like let's say they have an early morning shift? Can they leave it? Can they come in and out at different times all during the night? How does that work? That's a good question. So we do, we do have a lot of people who work. Depending on the employment and them showing us work schedules, we will allow a late entry, but that would not go past midnight because that would affect everyone else.

619
00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:39,030
As far as when it comes to leaving the program, folks can leave at any time, but basically

620
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:45,910
we do have discussions with any participants who would be leaving early or in any way that

621
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:51,290
they so even if it's they leave at the normal time, if it's something that is you know they

622
00:55:51,290 --> 00:55:56,650
are creating a disturbance, those are conversations we would have individually with that with that

623
00:55:56,650 --> 00:55:57,110
participant.

624
00:55:57,110 --> 00:56:01,570
So we'd think in your registration and your intake, you would probably find out that kind

625
00:56:01,570 --> 00:56:04,770
of information when people need to go to work or when they need to leave.

626
00:56:05,090 --> 00:56:11,250
So when we tell the folks the entry time, they usually tell us that they're working and

627
00:56:11,250 --> 00:56:12,350
what their schedules are.

628
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:17,270
So we would ask them for a schedule and then we would let security know that they are given

629
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:17,990
that exemption.

630
00:56:18,510 --> 00:56:18,770
Okay.

631
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:20,470
Let's see.

632
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:24,690
Also, is there, I didn't see on the map anywhere,

633
00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:28,030
where there's any kind of minimal safety equipment

634
00:56:28,030 --> 00:56:31,530
like a hose or a fire extinguisher,

635
00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:34,610
maybe a first aid kit, do you provide for that?

636
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:37,650
Yeah, so the three things we want to have

637
00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:39,110
are security officers in the vehicles,

638
00:56:39,110 --> 00:56:43,090
is two fire extinguishers, first aid kit,

639
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:48,190
and we also keep rations just in case people

640
00:56:48,190 --> 00:56:51,730
or come in late water if someone in the middle of the night.

641
00:56:52,030 --> 00:56:56,070
So basic rations and dry food in case someone wakes up

642
00:56:56,070 --> 00:56:57,450
in the middle of the night and they need something.

643
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:58,950
OK, thank you so much.

644
00:56:59,350 --> 00:57:02,430
And then also, my last question, as you mentioned,

645
00:57:02,650 --> 00:57:06,030
that you have three operations in Los Angeles.

646
00:57:06,910 --> 00:57:12,370
Can you tell us just anecdotally how if unforeseen difficulties

647
00:57:12,370 --> 00:57:14,110
came up, how you handled them?

648
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:16,250
How do you handle those kinds of things?

649
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:18,010
because you can't plan for everything.

650
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:20,050
Absolutely, we're planners, we know that.

651
00:57:20,290 --> 00:57:20,650
Absolutely.

652
00:57:21,050 --> 00:57:24,650
No, like with any program, medical emergencies.

653
00:57:25,350 --> 00:57:29,090
When it comes to one of our folks having a medical emergency,

654
00:57:29,350 --> 00:57:33,150
we've had folks who've had asthma on our lot

655
00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:36,090
who needed to be transferred by paramedics.

656
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:41,250
We had a person who had a minor stroke

657
00:57:41,250 --> 00:57:45,010
while in the same thing where our security would get involved.

658
00:57:45,010 --> 00:57:50,630
They would contact paramedics and they would let us know so that we can also step in and help when necessary.

659
00:57:51,290 --> 00:57:54,850
So that is something that we can expect people have health issues like anyone.

660
00:57:55,830 --> 00:58:04,790
There are times when we would have participants who are not abiding by the rules or creating a disturbance.

661
00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:09,930
If that happens, first thing they would do is security would call me.

662
00:58:09,930 --> 00:58:15,070
We would have a discussion with the participants, and if they're willing to stay on the understand

663
00:58:15,070 --> 00:58:19,110
that they have to follow the rules and protocols, we would let them stay, but if they're not

664
00:58:19,110 --> 00:58:22,190
willing to reason, then we would ask them to exit the program.

665
00:58:22,850 --> 00:58:29,850
Okay, and then finally, my colleague also mentioned to the 48-hour kind of getting back to

666
00:58:29,850 --> 00:58:32,030
someone that seems to be kind of a long time.

667
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:36,890
If somebody is having a problem next door or hearing noise or something's going on, they want

668
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:44,590
more of an immediate answer, is there something we can condition that it's within, you know,

669
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:49,930
immediately or within 12 hours or something that's a little bit more reasonable than 48 hours

670
00:58:49,930 --> 00:58:54,590
to get a response? So you're referring to the response time to a complaint? Yeah.

671
00:58:55,050 --> 00:59:02,270
So, Commissioner, that depends on the certainty of the complaint. If it is something that we consider

672
00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:09,750
that is, you know, a person being, you know, like a person not falling the rules and just

673
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:15,070
being loud, loud music, something like that, it wouldn't be 48 hours because it's going

674
00:59:15,070 --> 00:59:19,930
to affect the other participants as well. That's when we have that discussion about, are they

675
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:24,510
willing to say, and that discussion would happen immediately. If it's a different complaint

676
00:59:24,510 --> 00:59:30,150
where we have to do an investigation to see what it is about, right? You know, if someone

677
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:34,390
says, oh, that's this person here, we have to look into see if that person is a person

678
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:38,570
in our program, and, you know, we have to take those, but we have to do due diligence.

679
00:59:39,150 --> 00:59:43,250
So depending on the survey, if it's something that severe, we would respond immediately.

680
00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:43,890
Okay.

681
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:49,490
If it's something that takes us a reasonable investigation, then we would do that and then

682
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:50,510
respond to.

683
00:59:51,010 --> 00:59:51,130
Okay.

684
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:51,630
I understand.

685
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:57,770
And finally, my last question, you heard one of the appellants right eloquently went through

686
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:59,970
the kinds of findings we have to make in some of the...

687
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,420
The concerns, and one that came up was that there's not adequate security for the on-site homelessness project at all saints currently. How do you, how are you going to reconcile that if there's no security on the other side, so to speak, where you have unhoused people who are sleeping on the grounds of all saints, and they tend to come over or whatever. How are you going to coordinate, I think,

688
01:00:29,420 --> 01:00:34,460
with Ms. Tamble and you probably will be coordinating with all saints on that?

689
01:00:35,540 --> 01:00:36,340
We are.

690
01:00:37,460 --> 01:00:37,980
Okay.

691
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:45,200
That we were in compliance with...

692
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:46,140
I'm sorry?

693
01:00:46,460 --> 01:00:49,280
Could you speak into the microphone, yes?

694
01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:49,720
Thank you.

695
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,400
Okay, sorry.

696
01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:57,360
We believe that we were under compliance and that with security, we work with the same security

697
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,580
firm that provides security here at City Hall and that with them coming over a couple of times

698
01:01:01,580 --> 01:01:06,920
a night based on the language we believed that we were in compliance when we received

699
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:12,720
a warning not too long ago that we were not, we immediately fixed that problem and now

700
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:20,040
we do have security guards on site at all sites from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. 7 days a week.

701
01:01:30,980 --> 01:01:31,540
Okay.

702
01:01:31,540 --> 01:01:37,360
for restrooms which has now moved from the safe parking program to the safe haven program.

703
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,680
We still have the same objection, but we've come up with what we think is a reasonable

704
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,540
solution that we'd like to throw out.

705
01:01:44,020 --> 01:01:45,080
There is a playground.

706
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,520
You can see that's locked when our staff goes home.

707
01:01:50,220 --> 01:01:54,740
And what we're suggesting is that we put cipher locks on either side of that parking lot,

708
01:01:55,260 --> 01:02:00,620
a lock with a combination on it so that only the people who are in safe haven will be

709
01:02:00,620 --> 01:02:09,300
able to use that and punch their way in and walk through the playground to the port

710
01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:14,740
of potty that's in the parking lot. Therefore, not having to use the sidewalk or go off

711
01:02:14,740 --> 01:02:19,420
the All Saints property at all. So, and there's certainly the security guard who's there

712
01:02:19,420 --> 01:02:25,560
can also monitor that. Okay, but we think it's a reasonable solution versus having staff

713
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:30,100
and having to pay for staff when that's something that's a financial hardship for us.

714
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:38,640
Okay. Thank you very much. I think I think I think that's just to clarify that point though. Sorry, Ms. Tamlin, there would be two security guards.

715
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,800
Yes, it would be one for safe haven and one for safe parking. Yeah.

716
01:02:41,980 --> 01:02:47,200
It would then be able to monitor the single rest room. So I think the staff recommendation was to put-

717
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:55,400
The staff recommendation was to have one for safe parking and to use one indoors at All Saints. And if we were to have that,

718
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,440
that we would have to have a member of the staff.

719
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:03,020
But in the staff diagram, I thought it was to add a second

720
01:03:03,940 --> 01:03:05,840
portable restroom for safe haven.

721
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:10,020
No, just to have, I think, perhaps, maybe if you can.

722
01:03:10,380 --> 01:03:11,460
Do you want to show it?

723
01:03:11,540 --> 01:03:11,640
Do you want to show it?

724
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:12,700
Allison.

725
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,040
Do you need me anymore to do that?

726
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,060
But you can pull up the plan.

727
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,680
I thought it showed another portable.

728
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:24,580
It was a corner of, see the red.

729
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:31,040
That's actually a trailer that's on our property that also houses all of our technology

730
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:31,740
equipment.

731
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:39,400
And it does have a single bathroom in it, but it is problematic for us to use that for

732
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:45,900
a variety of reasons, number one, having to clean it, number two, all of our technology.

733
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,260
Well, how would the other ones be cleaned?

734
01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:52,120
I mean, there's a service that comes in and cleans it Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

735
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:52,180
Okay.

736
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:59,100
But doesn't that restroom at the trailer have an outside door, not going into the trailer?

737
01:03:59,660 --> 01:03:59,820
No.

738
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:01,000
Oh, it doesn't.

739
01:04:01,260 --> 01:04:01,380
Okay.

740
01:04:01,580 --> 01:04:01,960
That's correct.

741
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:05,320
You have to go in through the door, into the building.

742
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:12,720
And they also use, do they also use the restroom in that kind of temporary area off that little

743
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,400
courtyard just south of the playground.

744
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:19,840
I know that that that facilities use a lot of different rooms.

745
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,440
Yeah, and that trailer, they use that one too, don't they?

746
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,040
That's the one of which I'm speaking.

747
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:25,440
Okay.

748
01:04:25,540 --> 01:04:27,820
It is where all of our technology equipment is stored.

749
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:28,400
Oh, yeah.

750
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:29,480
So why?

751
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:36,000
If you want to discuss it anymore, I'm happy to, or I can discuss it at another time.

752
01:04:36,180 --> 01:04:36,460
All right.

753
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,040
Thank you very much.

754
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:39,320
You have more?

755
01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:40,480
Yeah.

756
01:04:41,620 --> 01:04:42,440
I'm sorry.

757
01:04:43,540 --> 01:04:44,020
I apologize.

758
01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:44,360
I'm sorry.

759
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:44,540
Go ahead.

760
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:44,900
Carol.

761
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:46,460
I was sorry.

762
01:04:46,460 --> 01:04:52,100
I was thinking how many port parties are you going to have available and are you going

763
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:53,840
to have a reference women?

764
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,940
Are you going to have opportunities for them to have privacy?

765
01:04:58,620 --> 01:04:59,660
I mean, you have a wash station.

766
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,840
Are you going to, is it going to be enclosed? Can they go in, they can somehow bathe themselves? So the actual bathroom on site would not have, the hand washing station would not be enclosed that would just be for folks who are using the bathroom to wash their hands. The idea of providing this restroom is for folks when they need to use a restroom at night. During the day, we would refer them to other services. Of course, all sensors are really good program.

767
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,780
and then with them, we operate showers on Mondays.

768
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,380
So all of this would help us connect them to these services.

769
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:38,840
So you're saying you offer showers on Monday?

770
01:05:39,260 --> 01:05:40,680
Monday, yes, every Monday morning,

771
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,340
we offer showers at all Saints.

772
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:43,280
Oh, okay.

773
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:44,740
Thank you.

774
01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:47,960
Referencing to children.

775
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:50,960
The reference is only to infants.

776
01:05:52,020 --> 01:05:53,440
Do we have older children?

777
01:05:55,260 --> 01:05:56,260
You will have them.

778
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,060
Will they be able to take advantage of the playground?

779
01:06:02,580 --> 01:06:04,660
So, coming to this program is at 9.

780
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,900
Yeah, I know, but kids in the summertime night goes a long time.

781
01:06:09,940 --> 01:06:13,160
So the program would be from 7pm to 7am.

782
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,200
Just for safety, we would not allow them outside of their vehicles

783
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,880
because this would go into the other side of the parking lot.

784
01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:24,000
So, with children, yes, that does happen once in a while.

785
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:29,320
when they're not infants we do allow them into the program, but what we do is we

786
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:36,260
we prioritize to get them into a better form of shelter. So a goal with the

787
01:06:36,260 --> 01:06:40,700
family if they have young kids is to have them out of the program within a week.

788
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:46,080
So for a short time like that because it is after 7 p.m. they would not have

789
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:51,140
access to the playground. So thank you covered all of my questions I really

790
01:06:51,140 --> 01:06:58,420
appreciate it. Thank you. Commissioner, any other question? I have more. Continue, Karen.

791
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:59,520
Okay, thank you.

792
01:07:01,660 --> 01:07:05,660
How many, you operate three facilities, you said? How, what are the

793
01:07:05,660 --> 01:07:10,420
size of those facilities? Can you repeat that command? You operate three, you said you operate three

794
01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:14,120
different facilities. Yes. So, what are the sizes that are parking spaces? I mean, how many

795
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:18,620
number parking spaces do you have at those facilities? So, the two safe parking programs, we have that

796
01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:22,360
that are overnight just like this are 20 spaces each.

797
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,200
The program that is a 24-7 parking program,

798
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,260
specifically for RVs, is 14 spaces.

799
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,860
Okay, that's good, so you've had a lot of experience

800
01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:35,680
with larger than this.

801
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:40,780
Since we've been operating since 2019 and, you know,

802
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:44,660
we have average of above 15 individuals

803
01:07:44,660 --> 01:07:46,700
on each lot on any given night.

804
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:51,420
another question about financing your resources I know the city is providing

805
01:07:51,420 --> 01:07:56,720
about 305,000 I don't know about all saints but what are your other funding

806
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:02,020
sources so we work with other foundations too so we have a grant through the

807
01:08:02,020 --> 01:08:08,000
Hilton foundation and that grant what we do is so whenever our participants find

808
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:14,480
housing we use that grant either for a deposit or for furniture we also utilize

809
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:20,040
that grant from minor vehicle right there. So let's say the vehicle has an issue that, you know,

810
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,520
is, you know, simple issues that we can fix. We recently had individuals who's

811
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:31,320
few pump went out. Those kind of issues we pay for through that grant and then we'll also be

812
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:37,100
working with other grants and other organizations. Big part of this is referring our clients to other

813
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:42,940
resources. So, you know, try to, you know, when an individual first comes in, we try to look at

814
01:08:42,940 --> 01:08:49,800
What are the barriers for them to getting into a more stable, if not a shelter, into permanent housing?

815
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,120
And like I said, there's a lot of individuals who work.

816
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,980
So, we look at, okay, what do we need to do to get this person into the next step?

817
01:08:58,420 --> 01:09:03,960
And that's why these programs are successful in providing that overnight safe parking,

818
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:09,200
but more in trying to divert them into more stable housing resources.

819
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:20,580
Okay. Okay. You also indicated as mostly women? Majority is I'd say above 60% of safe parking, but if you don't tell women.

820
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:29,280
I'm just going to get into condition number 11.

821
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,740
How many vehicles are okay, safe parking?

822
01:09:38,620 --> 01:09:41,280
back to the, I think there's the barrier question that was

823
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:45,180
Commissioner Caw. I know there's like four or five, there's about four

824
01:09:45,180 --> 01:09:50,020
entrances into this parking lot. There's one from Walnut, there's one from

825
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,580
Euclid, and then there's actually one that can weave through all the

826
01:09:54,580 --> 01:09:58,120
Saints parking. So how are you going to create a barrier for that?

827
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:59,960
So once, once...

828
01:10:00,210 --> 01:10:22,950
It's time the clock occurs or late, then you just put a chain link fence or chain classic. We would quorum off the entrances because, you know, it's still a small parking lot. And if you look at right now, it's got really good visibility with the overnight lighting. So the folks coming in are security would be able to see them. So

829
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:38,580
I think I did ask for it. Is there more than one port of party? And you said there's only one provided for this for the safe parking participants.

830
01:10:38,580 --> 01:10:42,060
to be just one. Yeah. Is that sufficient? Yes.

831
01:10:44,260 --> 01:10:47,560
Again, Commissioner, this is only for overnight use.

832
01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:53,720
I understand that. You know, it's for emergency use at night. So, you know, most of our

833
01:10:53,720 --> 01:11:00,500
participants know that, you know, if they want to use, you know, take a shower or any other, you know,

834
01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:05,640
they would either utilize a program like a mobile showers or go to a shelter or a day center to

835
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:06,340
to get those services.

836
01:11:06,740 --> 01:11:07,340
Thank you.

837
01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:11,200
I think that's all my questions that I have.

838
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:13,020
Thank you.

839
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,920
Other questions, Jennifer?

840
01:11:15,260 --> 01:11:15,800
What are you going to do?

841
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:20,780
Yes, I was wondering when and where you do the work

842
01:11:20,780 --> 01:11:21,800
with the participants.

843
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,300
When you talk to them and work with them to get them

844
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,540
into more stable permanent housing.

845
01:11:30,220 --> 01:11:30,800
That's a good question.

846
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,040
So initially I saw the first contact

847
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:39,180
when they enter the program is when we try to create a plan for them and then

848
01:11:39,180 --> 01:11:43,740
depending on their needs, our case manager would work with them during the day,

849
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:49,000
mostly it's two phone calls, sometimes if they need the help, we do a lot of

850
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,800
times where we have to help our participants with, we also pay for

851
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:59,240
registration to help them with issues if they have with their vehicle, so those

852
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:05,040
Those would be in person, so depending on the need and what sort of resource it would

853
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,620
be either phone call or in person.

854
01:12:07,260 --> 01:12:14,360
Could you talk a little bit about how long people typically have been living in their

855
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,140
car when they come into a program like yours?

856
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:23,240
So average is three months, that's where most people land.

857
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:39,600
We have some folks who come in for a short period and for them they understand the program is not for them and then we have the folks who come in and you know, depending on the resources available, they would be in our program three to six months.

858
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:47,640
Now, the stay in our program would depend on them also working on using other resources.

859
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:52,320
So it would be dependent upon if they're working with other providers towards looking

860
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:53,540
at most stable resources.

861
01:12:54,020 --> 01:13:00,020
And have they typically already been living in their car for some period of time before they

862
01:13:00,020 --> 01:13:01,260
come into the program?

863
01:13:01,820 --> 01:13:08,520
Majority, I'd say less than 20% contact us when they are immediately homeless.

864
01:13:09,020 --> 01:13:12,180
So, majority have been living in their car before they come into the program.

865
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:13,720
For some period of time.

866
01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:17,640
So, you're not planning on doing any of that programming,

867
01:13:18,420 --> 01:13:23,720
counseling, working with the participants on site at all sites.

868
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:28,040
That all happens on the phone or elsewhere.

869
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:34,360
And then, you know, a lot of times we will have our case managers walk our folks into different programs.

870
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,400
I'm sorry, sometimes they need that support.

871
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,100
So depending on where those resources are,

872
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,300
so whether it be union stations or the services

873
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:45,320
or other programs, it would be at those locations.

874
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:46,180
Okay.

875
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,200
Can we ask questions of the All Saints as well?

876
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:55,860
Yes, for All Saints, I was wondering how you did

877
01:13:55,860 --> 01:13:59,660
to her mend 25 was the number of vehicles

878
01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:02,580
that was the right number for this program to start with?

879
01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:08,980
So, actually, Commissioner, that came for us as a program and looking at all the other

880
01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:15,660
programs operate about the providers and how we see our security officers performing.

881
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,960
We think 25 is the maximum number for one security officer to be able to handle.

882
01:14:23,140 --> 01:14:30,100
And because of the logistics of that lot, you felt you could put 25 vehicles maximum plus

883
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:31,260
security guards.

884
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:31,920
Sorry, Commissioner.

885
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:32,920
So it's up to individuals.

886
01:14:33,740 --> 01:14:35,900
So majority we see around one and a half people,

887
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:37,480
so we do get a lot of couples.

888
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,880
So we are expecting 15 to 18 vehicles,

889
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,820
and that'll hit the maximum capacity of 25 occupants.

890
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:49,530
Great, thanks.

891
01:14:50,450 --> 01:14:51,830
Michael, any question?

892
01:14:55,700 --> 01:14:58,500
With that, I think we will move on to public comment.

893
01:14:58,900 --> 01:14:59,560
Thank you.

894
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,760
Thank you, Commissioner. No. Our first speaker is streffon Fable.

895
01:15:11,860 --> 01:15:34,060
Thank you. How long do I have to speak? Three minutes. Three minutes. Okay, I don't know if we'll take that one. I think we're using the time. Aren't we? Tony, thank you. Um, so I'd like to comment what Silvio said from a different direction. So your job is fellow residents of Pasadena. Um, is to look out for other Pasadena residents. You don't represent a church. You don't represent staff.

896
01:15:34,060 --> 01:15:39,600
and I believe that you can't make the findings that are required for this,

897
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:45,380
either in terms of safety or legality, and you shouldn't show favor or disfavor

898
01:15:45,380 --> 01:15:51,100
to this because it's a church, regardless of whether you supported or not.

899
01:15:52,180 --> 01:15:59,220
Let me try to get at this through two analogies. Suppose there was somebody who had

900
01:15:59,220 --> 01:16:04,620
a liquor license in Pasadena who were applying for a second liquor license and you discovered

901
01:16:05,260 --> 01:16:11,240
when the application was coming through that that person had approximately 450 calls since

902
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:18,780
2022, 2020 at their business. Suppose that the for the first license the person had been

903
01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:24,740
required to have an on-site security guard and you discovered they hadn't done that, right?

904
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:29,860
And the applicant has said, well, we believed we were complying.

905
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:35,720
So there was a link in the brief from the Maryland, in which the applicant is on video

906
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,300
saying, well, we know where you were supposed to have a security guard.

907
01:16:40,260 --> 01:16:42,720
But we didn't think we really needed any more.

908
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,280
So we sometimes had somebody from City Hall walk over.

909
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,380
We put a security guard only on the hot nights on Friday and Saturday.

910
01:16:50,140 --> 01:16:51,260
What would you think of that?

911
01:16:51,260 --> 01:16:54,100
And if you wanted to, I have the video on my phone.

912
01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:56,740
I could show it to you where the applicant and then then

913
01:16:56,740 --> 01:16:59,080
Rector Kinman are saying this directly.

914
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,180
There is no question but that they understood

915
01:17:01,180 --> 01:17:02,660
that they were violating their permit.

916
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:05,160
Now they say they've rectified it.

917
01:17:05,420 --> 01:17:08,540
That would be like the guy asking for the second permit

918
01:17:08,540 --> 01:17:12,040
for the liquor license, temporarily getting the security guard

919
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:13,980
on site so they could say they were compliant

920
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,100
while they were hoping to get the second one.

921
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,420
I don't think that you would give that person

922
01:17:19,420 --> 01:17:25,140
in a second license. There's negative activity there. They have willingly, knowingly violated

923
01:17:25,140 --> 01:17:29,100
the permit and they're now they're asking for a second one. You shouldn't grant it.

924
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:38,660
The other point I'd like to briefly make is about whether this satisfies the legal conditions.

925
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:46,400
So the code talks about a religious facility, not a site. If the City Council had wanted

926
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:51,260
to talk about a site with multiple parcels, it could have done that, it didn't.

927
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:58,000
And it defined a religious facility as something that is primarily used for religious reasons.

928
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:04,920
This has been a commercial site servicing the nearby courthouse since they bought it.

929
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:06,680
It is used all day for that.

930
01:18:07,300 --> 01:18:10,720
It is occasionally used sort of lightly in the evening.

931
01:18:11,420 --> 01:18:18,300
It's primary use is not a religious facility, it does not meet the code, that's also relevant

932
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:22,860
to your sequer review of this because the staff has said that this is not an expansion

933
01:18:22,860 --> 01:18:23,480
of use.

934
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:28,400
It is and it's a change of use from a commercial parking lot to a shelter arrangement

935
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:29,780
and I see my time as app.

936
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:31,780
Thank you.

937
01:18:31,780 --> 01:18:32,620
Our

938
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:40,820
next speaker is Alex Baker, he was a

939
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:45,060
good evening.

940
01:18:46,180 --> 01:18:47,840
I've been living in, I'm Alex Baker.

941
01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:50,520
I've been living in Pasadena for a couple of years with my wife.

942
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:56,880
I moved to Pasadena with my couple of years to start a new life.

943
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:01,260
And I've been very happily living in Pasadena and engaging with the community.

944
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:02,960
And I really like living here.

945
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,700
I come from Spain and I've moved to Los Angeles and I'm loving my life here.

946
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:21,020
I have this aspiration of starting a family soon and I don't see this program going into

947
01:19:21,020 --> 01:19:25,920
the direction of safety and security that the new family will require.

948
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:31,860
I would like to ask to the commissioner, how would you feel if you had a next door parking

949
01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:41,440
being spotted occupied by all night by homeless incomes that are living there in the car.

950
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:51,060
I work at night, I have night shifts, having my wife and have to work around the neighborhood

951
01:19:51,060 --> 01:19:56,140
is not safe right now in a lot of situations around the neighborhood and I don't think this

952
01:19:56,140 --> 01:19:58,860
is moving to, you know, to the correct direction.

953
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:09,900
Well, I just want to finish my conclusion with that. I respect the objective. I'm really in favor of

954
01:20:09,900 --> 01:20:16,880
ending homelessness and supporting, but I don't believe this measure is humane to the homeless people

955
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:22,600
having to sleep in a car. I think there's other options that can be done through the church and

956
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:28,300
through all the funding to actually get proper, proper housing for this homeless and actually treat

957
01:20:28,300 --> 01:20:33,740
the human beings. Thank you. Thank you. Our next figure is Janine Rowne.

958
01:20:41,540 --> 01:20:45,400
Hi, Janine Rowne. I live near here

959
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:51,980
and the next district over in Glassel Park where there is a safe parking. It's been there for

960
01:20:51,980 --> 01:20:59,700
maybe about four years. It's right off of Verdugo and I have to pass by it as I before I turn on my

961
01:20:59,700 --> 01:21:06,520
Street. I'm about eight blocks away. And I don't even know it's there. There's really been

962
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:14,880
no issues. It's right next to a park and a library and a community center. And so, you know, I'm

963
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:22,900
listening to the concerns of safety. And I would actually, I actually feel safer that it's there

964
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:29,380
because one, it means that anybody that the police come across or anybody comes across, they can say,

965
01:21:29,380 --> 01:21:48,180
You know what? Don't be on the street. You can go right down over there. And there's a safe lot, you know, and I guess regarding safety as well is, you know, I'm involved in my community.

966
01:21:48,180 --> 01:21:58,320
I'm involved with neighborhood council and that sort of thing and I know of some of the stories there and, you know, woman in her car.

967
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:06,900
And we hours of the morning and somebody knocking on the window is traumatizing.

968
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:12,600
And I'm sure you have people sleeping in their cars here in Pasadena.

969
01:22:12,780 --> 01:22:17,780
I work here, I've parked on outdoor lots, not indoor lots in the buildings.

970
01:22:18,140 --> 01:22:23,140
The outdoor lots, the street parking, and there are people that are living in their cars.

971
01:22:23,140 --> 01:22:27,120
So I think that this actually makes it safer.

972
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:29,320
I actually brag about it.

973
01:22:29,860 --> 01:22:32,660
You know, I feel like it's such a gift

974
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,400
to be able to offer this to people

975
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,680
because many people are in transition.

976
01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:40,920
One story was a woman waiting for housing,

977
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:45,980
but sometimes it takes some time to figure it out

978
01:22:45,980 --> 01:22:49,420
for the things to surface that are going to be the best fit for you.

979
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:50,820
And people are scared.

980
01:22:50,820 --> 01:22:55,920
You know, they know if they walk into an office, you know, some office and just offer themselves up.

981
01:22:55,980 --> 01:22:59,500
They may end up somewhere that they don't want to be. They're very protective.

982
01:23:00,740 --> 01:23:05,920
And so I just think, and I know that that facility is well run.

983
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,960
Shower of hope is very well run.

984
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,420
I mean, it's, it's a operation. It's a machine.

985
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,240
I don't, I don't know whether you guys have ever been to it or watched any of their videos.

986
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:28,240
but it's really a godsend to our community and I think that it's in when you see

987
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:33,260
that all saints despite whatever has happened I don't know the history, but that

988
01:23:33,260 --> 01:23:39,380
they're bringing in shower of hope to run this is showing that they know

989
01:23:39,380 --> 01:23:43,860
that they you know that they've got somebody in there that knows what they're doing.

990
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,180
So I'm very much in favor of this. Thank you.

991
01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:47,380
Thank you, Janine.

992
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:51,730
Our next speaker is Mia Martinez.

993
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:04,380
Hi, good evening. So I'm here to share with you why I support the

994
01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:09,620
destination Hope Safe Parking Program. And it is because the program protects

995
01:24:09,620 --> 01:24:13,660
public safety. When people who live in their vehicles have a secure place to park

996
01:24:13,660 --> 01:24:18,120
it reduces late-night disturbances on safe parking on residential streets and

997
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:23,020
unnecessary police costs. It also reflects community responsibility.

998
01:24:23,020 --> 01:24:28,260
Pasadena has long led with compassion and innovation and providing a safe place to park

999
01:24:28,260 --> 01:24:33,080
as a humane and practical solution that benefits both un-house residents and the neighborhoods

1000
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:33,700
around them.

1001
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:40,320
I'll also share a few quotes that I've seen from other safe parking programs in nearby

1002
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:40,780
cities.

1003
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:46,540
So like for instance in insinitas, there's an article that says, since the start of its safe

1004
01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:51,840
parking program in 2020, there have been zero crime reports and no arrests tied to that

1005
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:52,220
program.

1006
01:24:52,220 --> 01:24:59,240
This is according to the city staff report and then another article, a broader review,

1007
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,760
There are practices for safe parking, notes that while safe parking doesn't guarantee permanent stability, it fulfills the basic safety and security needs and reduces exposure to risks based on living and uncontrolled public spaces. There's another one called safe parking insights from a review of national programs, and that notes that a real community need and often maintains positive relationships with neighboring communities. And not too far away from here also

1008
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:34,780
in San Diego, the Jewish Family Service Safe Parking Program, is often nearly full,

1009
01:25:34,900 --> 01:25:39,560
which signals demand, and local leaders call it a critical gap in shelter services.

1010
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:45,900
Not because it solves all problems, but because it mitigates risks that would otherwise burden

1011
01:25:45,900 --> 01:25:48,200
streets, law enforcement, and community safety.

1012
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,940
So these pieces of evidence suggest that safe parking programs, when well managed, do

1013
01:25:52,940 --> 01:25:58,160
not tend to become centers of crime, and may reduce tensions that arise from unregulated

1014
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:02,700
parking or street camping in residential areas. So proving this program will not solve

1015
01:26:02,700 --> 01:26:07,500
homelessness on its own, but it will strengthen public safety and reflect pathogeness commitment

1016
01:26:07,500 --> 01:26:12,440
to responsible compassionate solutions. I urge you to grant the zoning approval so this

1017
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:13,940
important program can serve the community.

1018
01:26:16,670 --> 01:26:19,910
Thank you. The next speaker is Jan Pelzer.

1019
01:26:26,410 --> 01:26:32,850
Good evening. I'm John Pelzer and, you know, Mel's presentation and the questions

1020
01:26:32,850 --> 01:26:37,930
and agency gave, covered a lot of grounds. I'm just going to go right to my personal experience

1021
01:26:37,930 --> 01:26:44,950
with this. I've been a volunteer. We share a foe for seven years now. And for the past four

1022
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:55,470
years, I've been supplying meals once a week to the two locations, Glasgow Park, and West Lake.

1023
01:26:56,710 --> 01:27:01,470
So that's a lot of interactions. I know the program. I know the people who are a part of it.

1024
01:27:02,170 --> 01:27:08,850
And I'm here to tell you, far from being areas of concern, I will say outright that these

1025
01:27:08,850 --> 01:27:13,110
two locations are probably among the most boring locations in Los Angeles.

1026
01:27:14,150 --> 01:27:15,290
There's nothing going on.

1027
01:27:15,410 --> 01:27:20,590
These people just want to have a good night's sleep, have a meal, and that is it.

1028
01:27:22,810 --> 01:27:28,190
So in addition to what Mel said, the vetting that goes in, before they're there, and strictly

1029
01:27:28,190 --> 01:27:29,390
enforcing the rules.

1030
01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:35,450
The main reason these locations work is the people there need them to work.

1031
01:27:35,930 --> 01:27:41,610
Nobody wants it to be safer both in and outside the location than they do or maybe equally.

1032
01:27:42,530 --> 01:27:45,430
And that's it. I thank you very much.

1033
01:27:49,950 --> 01:27:51,810
The next speaker is Daniel Lopez.

1034
01:27:55,850 --> 01:28:01,090
Just a couple of comments and I've mentioned a couple of these points in a previous meeting.

1035
01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:06,670
just introduced myself. I was a teacher. My name is Daniel. I was a teacher at

1036
01:28:06,670 --> 01:28:11,670
McKinley in Madison Elementary here in Pasadena. I love the city. I spent a lot

1037
01:28:11,670 --> 01:28:17,170
of my time here. I was here after the fires to volunteer my time. I just want to

1038
01:28:17,170 --> 01:28:21,470
start by addressing and pushing back on the idea that people advocates for this

1039
01:28:21,470 --> 01:28:27,490
program have no stake in the city or no interest in the city. To add to that I

1040
01:28:27,490 --> 01:28:33,650
have been an advocated for different programs in my city, very close to where I live because

1041
01:28:33,650 --> 01:28:39,130
I believe in it, I believe in the operations in it. So I just wanted to add that. I also

1042
01:28:39,130 --> 01:28:42,990
was the intake coordinator for two of the safe parking lots that were mentioned, the West

1043
01:28:42,990 --> 01:28:48,090
Lake and the Glassel Park one, for I believe it's like six months. I can confidently say that

1044
01:28:48,090 --> 01:28:54,250
during my time, dozens of guests at the lot, there were no issues, there were no violence,

1045
01:28:54,250 --> 01:28:59,110
There were no, there was no littering, there was no public urination that has been a concern

1046
01:28:59,110 --> 01:29:02,970
in the past by some of these opponents of the program.

1047
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:08,930
The guests were respectful, they were grateful, and as mentioned, significant percentage

1048
01:29:08,930 --> 01:29:10,930
of them were working class people who held jobs.

1049
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:17,590
People have concerns any time they hear the word homelessness, and I completely sympathize

1050
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:17,870
with that.

1051
01:29:18,370 --> 01:29:23,090
I work in West Lake, I write by my car to the park, I drive and walk by it every single day,

1052
01:29:23,090 --> 01:29:27,670
as well as volunteering for years with the mobile shower as well.

1053
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:32,010
Two of those locations, two times a week at MacArthur Park for the time that we were there.

1054
01:29:32,970 --> 01:29:37,110
So I understand there's a huge nervousness around that.

1055
01:29:37,410 --> 01:29:42,790
I see the worst addiction that we see, the worst mental illness that we see.

1056
01:29:43,370 --> 01:29:47,590
And I think just to paint homelessness as a whole with that idea in mind,

1057
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:53,210
And I just think it's, it's, it's just, it doesn't represent what homeless is in 2025.

1058
01:29:55,370 --> 01:29:59,810
So the program, let's see, yeah, the program.

1059
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,480
That this program in particular has very high standards and operates in a way that I would call compassionate accountability. It does not tolerate destruction of property, violence, public disruption, and I'd argue that providing structure, safety, and stability is incredibly beneficial for a community that simply can ignore homelessness any longer, so thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is Reverend Tim Rich.

1060
01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:40,530
Good evening, commissioners. Thank you so much for your time and attention. I have to say as I've

1061
01:30:40,530 --> 01:30:47,910
been listening to the conversation back and forth and I hear questions about the credibility of all

1062
01:30:47,910 --> 01:30:56,510
saints. I think our credibility is absolutely one of the foundations of who we are. We have been

1063
01:30:56,510 --> 01:31:03,250
good partners not perfect as any community resident might not be perfect, but we've been

1064
01:31:03,250 --> 01:31:06,490
good partners in trying to contribute to making the community better.

1065
01:31:06,930 --> 01:31:13,790
It's ironic that members of the Maryland seem to be concerned about the problematic behavior

1066
01:31:13,790 --> 01:31:19,530
of these potential residents when you have been sitting here saying throughout our testimony,

1067
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:20,410
that's false.

1068
01:31:20,730 --> 01:31:21,330
That's a lie.

1069
01:31:21,650 --> 01:31:22,490
That's not true.

1070
01:31:23,390 --> 01:31:26,550
That seems like disregulated behavior if you asked me.

1071
01:31:27,530 --> 01:31:33,050
I want to say that if there's a concern about safety,

1072
01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:36,710
I would be, excuse me, I'm speaking.

1073
01:31:37,370 --> 01:31:38,850
If there's a, thank you for your—

1074
01:31:38,850 --> 01:31:39,690
Please, please.

1075
01:31:39,850 --> 01:31:40,770
I want to say—

1076
01:31:40,770 --> 01:31:41,390
Just be quiet.

1077
01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:42,270
He's addressing us.

1078
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:43,030
Just address us.

1079
01:31:43,150 --> 01:31:43,770
Don't address them.

1080
01:31:43,930 --> 01:31:46,870
I want to say if there's a concern about safety,

1081
01:31:47,150 --> 01:31:49,610
I would listen to what the police say.

1082
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:52,210
The police seem to be recommending this.

1083
01:31:52,570 --> 01:31:57,130
I understand that there were some 400 calls made over the span of some amount of time.

1084
01:31:57,310 --> 01:31:59,410
I wonder what the nature of those calls were.

1085
01:31:59,790 --> 01:32:02,450
I wonder what the disposition of the police response was.

1086
01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:07,510
And I wonder how, after that, the police still today recommend this.

1087
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:12,010
Look, I want to just speak to two things for why we're passionate about this.

1088
01:32:12,370 --> 01:32:18,430
One is the moral standpoint where we need to respect the dignity of every human being.

1089
01:32:18,430 --> 01:32:26,690
of every human being, and unhoused existence, the dignity gets stripped from them all the time.

1090
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:31,610
I also want to say, as my previous career is a psychotherapist and a communal mental

1091
01:32:31,610 --> 01:32:41,010
health worker, that when there is a stable resting place for those who are unhoused, there's

1092
01:32:41,010 --> 01:32:46,790
greater emotional stability. When there is a predictable toilet team place for those who are

1093
01:32:46,790 --> 01:32:53,530
unhoused, there's greater emotional stability. When there is a community of people who attend

1094
01:32:53,530 --> 01:32:59,570
to those who are unhoused, there's greater emotional stability. The emotional stability

1095
01:32:59,570 --> 01:33:06,590
of these people who would be a part of this program would be enhanced by virtue of participating

1096
01:33:06,590 --> 01:33:12,330
in the program. I think this program enhances their lives and enhances the lives of the

1097
01:33:12,330 --> 01:33:16,130
community, and I hope that you will support this program.

1098
01:33:16,670 --> 01:33:16,930
Thank you.

1099
01:33:18,890 --> 01:33:22,710
Thank you, and just to clarify, the call logs were for five years.

1100
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:23,830
I'm sorry?

1101
01:33:24,090 --> 01:33:25,670
The call logs were for five years.

1102
01:33:25,950 --> 01:33:26,490
For five years.

1103
01:33:26,670 --> 01:33:27,490
Okay, thank you.

1104
01:33:32,730 --> 01:33:36,710
The next speaker is Denise Liu.

1105
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,400
Good evening, Chair Geesinger and commissioners of board.

1106
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:49,600
My name is Denise Liu.

1107
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,100
I am first vice president of government relations.

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01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:54,160
I'm here to represent East West Bank.

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01:33:55,260 --> 01:33:59,980
As some of you know, our headquarters is on 135 North Los

1110
01:33:59,980 --> 01:34:04,240
Robles Boulevard Avenue, my mistake, where we've been

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01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:05,980
for over 20 years.

1112
01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:09,480
And, you know, we're right next door to Austin's church.

1113
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,500
We're also right across from City Hall.

1114
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:16,000
And every day hundreds of our employees, customers,

1115
01:34:16,460 --> 01:34:20,040
visitors pass through the area to go to work,

1116
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:35,620
to conduct business, to use our branch and ATM machines, and Eastwood's bank has submitted a letter supporting the Maryland's home owner's association's appeal of the decision to appeal.

1117
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:47,500
Let me take a step back, appeal of the decision to grant a minor conditional use permit for the safe parking program at 202 Uglid Avenue.

1118
01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:53,500
From our perspective, as a neighbor and as a business serving the community, the proposal

1119
01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:59,780
raises serious concerns for us, allowing up to 25 vehicles and

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01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:10,040
Individuals to stay in overnight in such a small space with little to access to water, bathroom,

1121
01:35:10,780 --> 01:35:17,140
trust, disposal, and very limited security, creates clear health and safety concerns.

1122
01:35:18,180 --> 01:35:24,340
These risks tend not only to the folks, a part of the program, but to those around it, to

1123
01:35:24,340 --> 01:35:31,660
many folks that live, work, visit this part of Pasadena every day. And so I urge the board to

1124
01:35:31,660 --> 01:35:37,600
seriously take seriously the concerns of the Maryland and the others living in this neighborhood.

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01:35:38,060 --> 01:35:38,640
Thank you.

1126
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:49,950
Thank you very much. The next speaker is Kevin Ezzi.

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01:36:02,220 --> 01:36:03,500
It's good to see a lot of the

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01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:04,420
whole family here today.

1129
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:12,350
So, first I wanted to commend you on the way you do things,

1130
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:20,590
meaning having both presenters present first and then have public comment because you can see a

1131
01:36:20,590 --> 01:36:26,670
lot of what people can't prepared with when they come in. And a lot of it doesn't hold up once you

1132
01:36:26,670 --> 01:36:34,130
find out what operational security and the actual practice is like. So, what Mel didn't touch on,

1133
01:36:34,670 --> 01:36:44,590
I also volunteer with a few of the sites that housed the safe parking as well as the shower of hope.

1134
01:36:45,370 --> 01:36:52,110
At the safe parking site specifically, what he didn't touch on because he was too busy telling you exactly how operational security would run

1135
01:36:52,830 --> 01:36:56,650
is the kind of camaraderie that forms between the people that come there.

1136
01:36:57,930 --> 01:37:02,210
These aren't strangers to each other. They stay there. A lot of times they swap stories

1137
01:37:02,210 --> 01:37:10,750
and they actually bond over the experiences they have and they build together to think about what they want to do, how they want to get out.

1138
01:37:10,970 --> 01:37:16,850
A lot of these people who actually have their cars there, they're not thinking of staying there long term.

1139
01:37:17,010 --> 01:37:25,310
They have dreams, just like we do. We want to move from that apartment to that condo or that condo to that SFR. It's the same thing.

1140
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:34,470
So what I'm hearing based on the ordinance or the proposal is that we have a negotiation

1141
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:36,210
between compassion and safety.

1142
01:37:37,250 --> 01:37:45,210
So the program offers security guards, participant registration to keep track, and a community

1143
01:37:45,210 --> 01:37:45,750
hotline.

1144
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:46,970
That's unheard of.

1145
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:49,330
So instead of calling the police, you can actually just call the hotline.

1146
01:37:49,650 --> 01:37:52,090
That's a comforting thought, I guess.

1147
01:37:52,090 --> 01:37:59,730
The mission of All Saints Church is to make God's love tangible through spirituality, community, peace, and justice.

1148
01:38:00,910 --> 01:38:09,410
It sounds as if the city of Pasadena and All Saints are committed to making sure existing issues within the community aren't made worse.

1149
01:38:10,330 --> 01:38:18,750
So some of the concerns by the opposition seem, I guess, out of whack.

1150
01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:22,870
what the opposition and to this project has to understand is that the northern

1151
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:28,010
parcel meets the zone requirements as congregational parking and isn't just

1152
01:38:28,010 --> 01:38:33,210
commercial use. I even heard I think Sylvie will say something about how all

1153
01:38:33,210 --> 01:38:37,530
saints is actually paying taxes so they're stakeholders as well as having a

1154
01:38:37,530 --> 01:38:43,890
congressional claim as well. The only way creative solutions like this will succeed

1155
01:38:43,890 --> 01:38:48,430
is with strong cooperation and clear communication between the city all saints

1156
01:38:48,430 --> 01:38:49,790
and the residents of Pasadena.

1157
01:38:50,030 --> 01:38:52,190
This is a whole holistic approach.

1158
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:55,250
You know, it's not just something that is,

1159
01:38:55,410 --> 01:38:57,150
yes, oversight is important.

1160
01:38:58,510 --> 01:39:02,450
And Mel will tell you that anyone who can contribute

1161
01:39:02,450 --> 01:39:05,710
to the program can and he'll take that under advisement

1162
01:39:05,710 --> 01:39:07,970
and make sure no one runs a tighter ship

1163
01:39:07,970 --> 01:39:08,890
than Mel Telekoretny.

1164
01:39:09,110 --> 01:39:10,390
That's how you say his last name, by the way.

1165
01:39:11,150 --> 01:39:11,550
Telekoretny.

1166
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:15,650
Can you wrap up your comments, your timer's up.

1167
01:39:15,810 --> 01:39:16,550
Oh, thank you.

1168
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:18,050
Sure, that's all I need to say best quick.

1169
01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:19,170
Thank you very much.

1170
01:39:21,090 --> 01:39:23,940
The next speaker is Lynn Sakanis.

1171
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,280
Good evening, commissioners.

1172
01:39:33,900 --> 01:39:38,380
I live in Pasadena and I fully support the safe parking.

1173
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,260
I think it's wonderful that all saints

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01:39:41,260 --> 01:39:45,740
has agreed to partner with Mal who I volunteered with for many years.

1175
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:51,440
I volunteered at two of the safe parking sites

1176
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:58,660
right after they started in 2019 and I had no experience volunteering with

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01:39:58,660 --> 01:39:59,960
homeless people.

1178
01:40:01,140 --> 01:40:29,980
It was really an education for me. I spent a lot of time with the people who parked there, who really became a family. They were like me. And myself as a single woman, I had no concerns about my safety being there. And it was a life saver for these people. They're human beings. Most of them worked. A few of them had health conditions that made them homeless.

1179
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,260
They never thought they would find themselves living in their cards in a parking lot.

1180
01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:43,160
They were all very lovely and high functioning people who were in a bad spot.

1181
01:40:43,580 --> 01:40:58,200
And Mel is an amazing person who has operated many successful organizations, including the

1182
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:05,260
people help is to connect them with services. And that's exactly what he does. And many

1183
01:41:05,260 --> 01:41:13,140
of them moved on to permanent housing or connected with other people that gave them opportunities.

1184
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:21,940
And I don't, as a resident of this city, I am not concerned and I am actually excited

1185
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:24,460
that this is coming to our

1186
01:41:24,460 --> 01:41:26,500
communities so that I have another

1187
01:41:26,500 --> 01:41:27,520
opportunity to help.

1188
01:41:28,860 --> 01:41:30,660
So that's what I wanted to say.

1189
01:41:30,900 --> 01:41:31,240
Thank you.

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01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:32,760
Thank you very much.

1191
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,300
The next speaker is,

1192
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:38,660
I think it's best Newton.

1193
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:44,560
Bert, maybe it's bird.

1194
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:47,660
I'll take best.

1195
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:48,600
Okay, super.

1196
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:49,080
That's cool.

1197
01:41:50,740 --> 01:41:52,420
Yeah, so my name is Bert Newton.

1198
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:53,740
I live in Pasadena.

1199
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:55,160
I'm the executive director of making

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01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:56,460
housing and community happen.

1201
01:41:56,460 --> 01:42:00,760
and also the chair of the Housing Justice Committee for the Clergy Community Coalition.

1202
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:07,220
Both organizations strongly support the Safe Parking Program. I also had previous experience

1203
01:42:07,220 --> 01:42:12,400
doing direct service to people who've lost their housing out in the community here in Pasadena.

1204
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:17,720
And I found that those who sleep in their cars are in a much better situation.

1205
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:24,100
They're a lot less traumatized by their homelessness and therefore they exhibit far less

1206
01:42:24,100 --> 01:42:30,100
incidents of substance abuse and severe mental illness, far easier to get into permanent

1207
01:42:30,100 --> 01:42:36,500
housing than the average person who lives on the street without a car, the sleep's on

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01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:41,620
the street. The Safe Parking Program at Trinity Lutheran, which we helped start, has been

1209
01:42:41,620 --> 01:42:47,280
a rezoning success. I think Pastor Richter is here and I think she'll give you more information

1210
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:53,940
on that. And recently I took my wife to Huntington Hospital for outpatient surgery and one of

1211
01:42:53,940 --> 01:42:57,640
people that helped us navigate the system, I recognized immediately from the Safe Parking

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01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,520
Program. A lot of the people in the program work.

1213
01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:05,720
Also, I live not far from the program,

1214
01:43:05,740 --> 01:43:10,600
I also live a stone's throw from permanent supportive housing, Marv's place.

1215
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:13,940
They're

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01:43:13,940 --> 01:43:18,000
great neighbors, I'm actually working with one of them right now, who after being housed,

1217
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,500
he became the policy advisor for program at Union Station, so we're working together

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01:43:21,500 --> 01:43:30,620
on housing policy. Also, it's my understanding that commercial zones actually are zone for

1219
01:43:30,620 --> 01:43:37,260
safe park and here in Pasadena when we got the MCUP for the Trinity. That was part of

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01:43:37,260 --> 01:43:43,680
what happened is the city council okay, safe park and programs in commercial zones.

1221
01:43:45,940 --> 01:43:46,380
Yeah,

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01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:54,700
so homelessness where people have to have cars is the low-hanging fruit of homelessness

1223
01:43:54,700 --> 01:43:55,220
crisis.

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01:43:56,020 --> 01:43:57,780
And so we really need to take advantage of this.

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01:43:57,880 --> 01:43:58,600
We really need it.

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01:43:58,660 --> 01:43:59,920
It's going to help us in the long run.

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01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:00,560
Thanks.

1228
01:44:01,580 --> 01:44:01,940
Thank you.

1229
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:05,580
Next speaker is Joe Valdez.

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01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:20,940
I just wanted to share my testimony.

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01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:26,000
I was a former participant in the State Parking Program about two years ago.

1232
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:33,580
And it, um, for me, it was, uh, it revolutionized the way, um, my life went the direction.

1233
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:39,640
It, it really provided for me stability and a sense of community and belonging because

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01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:44,060
without that, I was pretty much, I was just, I was everywhere and everywhere.

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01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:50,260
And if it wasn't for that, say, parking, I would have, I wouldn't have got housed.

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01:44:50,500 --> 01:44:51,960
I'm doing so much better now.

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01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:59,920
I've actually gone from being in the program to being provided low income housing.

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01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:22,660
On the street, and to actually getting section 8 housing, and I'm just grateful now. I'm actually excited about the future now, and I'm looking, I'm currently looking for my own place now, and I'm just, I'm grateful for the opportunity to have been a part of the program. And that's about it. Thank you for your comments.

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01:45:23,620 --> 01:45:26,380
Why don't we hold the applause so we can get through this?

1240
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:28,320
The next speaker is C-Hews.

1241
01:45:30,860 --> 01:45:35,820
Hews, I don't, it looks like S-I to me, but L-Hews, okay.

1242
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:44,940
S-L-Hews, I'm the senior warden at all saints of our bestry and the bestries are board.

1243
01:45:46,420 --> 01:45:51,900
So first up, I want to think about one issue we have here is we're talking about all these

1244
01:45:51,900 --> 01:45:55,960
individuals and the, sometimes it sounds like the assumption is that somehow these people

1245
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:58,880
or coming here, you realize they're already here.

1246
01:45:59,740 --> 01:46:01,020
So these people are here.

1247
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:07,060
And right now they're having to stay in alleys

1248
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:08,200
or dark places or whatever.

1249
01:46:08,500 --> 01:46:10,360
That's certainly not best for the community.

1250
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,200
And it's not safe for them either.

1251
01:46:14,670 --> 01:46:16,690
Sometimes we have questions about the suitability

1252
01:46:16,690 --> 01:46:17,370
of the individuals.

1253
01:46:18,230 --> 01:46:20,150
I always think about, these are people who have cars.

1254
01:46:20,590 --> 01:46:22,250
They maintain driver's license.

1255
01:46:22,610 --> 01:46:24,390
I know lots of people who have homes who

1256
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:25,890
can't maintain their driver's license.

1257
01:46:25,890 --> 01:46:30,550
So, there is a certain level of responsibility that they have come in here.

1258
01:46:30,650 --> 01:46:32,190
They just don't have jobs right now.

1259
01:46:32,490 --> 01:46:36,870
Or if they're working, they don't have enough money to have a home or a location.

1260
01:46:37,330 --> 01:46:38,830
This provides that security.

1261
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:46,680
One issue that we have here too, that we do feel that there's a religious standpoint on

1262
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:51,240
this too because our diocese of Los Angeles, the National Church, has actually directed

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01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:57,960
all parishes to utilize all of our properties in such a way that we can maintain support

1264
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,380
for low-income individuals and needy individuals.

1265
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,980
So we feel that this fits right into this procedure at all.

1266
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:08,080
One issue when we talk about the evening events,

1267
01:47:08,620 --> 01:47:12,360
evening events actually very rarely impinge on that area.

1268
01:47:12,820 --> 01:47:13,480
They really don't.

1269
01:47:13,940 --> 01:47:16,420
Even now when there's evening events,

1270
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,640
many of our people elect to stay on the street parking.

1271
01:47:19,980 --> 01:47:21,920
At night, there's ample parking on the street.

1272
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:23,040
There's not a problem at all.

1273
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:25,260
There are people who just want to leave earlier.

1274
01:47:25,260 --> 01:47:30,640
they don't want to have to wait for the parking lot empties so that should not present a problem

1275
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:36,460
whatsoever. So obviously we would like you to really affirm this. Thank you so much for your

1276
01:47:36,460 --> 01:47:40,940
support. Thank you. The next speaker is Sharon Richter.

1277
01:47:50,980 --> 01:47:53,160
Thank you commissioners. I first of all

1278
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:58,720
I've worked with some of you before and I want to thank you for your commitment to housing justice.

1279
01:47:59,460 --> 01:48:07,100
I am the pastor at Trinity Lutheran Church, which was the church that first came to advocate

1280
01:48:07,100 --> 01:48:12,020
for safe parking in association with making housing and community happen.

1281
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:15,440
We are the ones that advocated to change the law.

1282
01:48:16,060 --> 01:48:20,880
And so I'm very, very well acquainted with the law, which contrary to what has been stated,

1283
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:29,600
it. Safe parking is only allowed on religious property that is commercially zoned. So that

1284
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:35,760
is a requirement that it be commercially zoned. We have an L-shaped lot, and half of it is

1285
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:42,800
residential, half of it is commercial, and our safe parkers are only allowed to park in the

1286
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:50,700
same parking lot on the arm that is zoned commercial. So that is not an impediment or anything

1287
01:48:50,700 --> 01:48:56,640
that makes this program illegal. We've operated the program for more than four years and in

1288
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:05,600
that time we have had zero police calls related to our safe parkers but we have had safe

1289
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:11,020
parkers who have reported on things they've seen in the neighborhood. The police were

1290
01:49:11,020 --> 01:49:17,660
at our church yesterday speaking to one of the safe parkers who was a witness to something

1291
01:49:17,660 --> 01:49:23,120
in the neighborhood. Having those folks there is a protective thing for the neighborhood.

1292
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:29,820
It is because they keep an eye on things. They are people who used to be a part of a neighborhood

1293
01:49:29,820 --> 01:49:36,100
in a home that they owned or that they worked in this neighborhood and so they have commitment

1294
01:49:36,100 --> 01:49:44,460
to Pasadena. So in the time that we've operated this safe parking program, we've housed 17 people

1295
01:49:44,460 --> 01:49:52,680
so far. These folks I wanted to speak to who safe parkers are. There's this idea which

1296
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:57,720
some of the other speakers have spoken about that they are mentally ill or they are drug

1297
01:49:57,720 --> 01:49:59,440
addicts or they have some

1298
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:29,800
Criminal background. But these are responsible people who have jobs, most of them, who have fallen on hard times, and they lost their home, they lost their job, they lost their health insurance, they divorced, and now, and one of our parkers was a victim of the eaten fire. So when you say that you're going to make people park on, you know, some dark street somewhere where it's not safe, you're sending a person there who lost their home in the fire.

1299
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:38,600
You're sending people who are most of them are women, most of them are over 70 and about 10% of them are disabled.

1300
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:48,360
So think about who it is you're saying should not have a well-lighted patrol parking lot, but rather should park somewhere in the dark

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01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:53,400
where nobody can help them when they need it. Thank you very much.

1302
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:57,320
Pastor Richter, I have a clarifying question for you.

1303
01:50:57,700 --> 01:51:00,240
You said that you've helped 17 people.

1304
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:03,100
We have housed 17 people.

1305
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:06,020
Oh, housed, so not 17 parkers over four years.

1306
01:51:06,020 --> 01:51:08,060
No, we have 10 spaces.

1307
01:51:08,900 --> 01:51:12,580
And over the four years, it wasn't always permitted.

1308
01:51:12,860 --> 01:51:13,920
I'll just have to say that.

1309
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:17,040
But it has been permitted for the last two years.

1310
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:20,900
So in that time, we've housed 17 people.

1311
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:21,880
I see.

1312
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:22,560
Thank you.

1313
01:51:25,630 --> 01:51:30,530
Okay, our next speaker is Flora Nye.

1314
01:51:36,820 --> 01:51:39,640
Good evening everyone, my name is Flora Nooy.

1315
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:46,500
I'm the property manager of the Plaza Las Fuentes, right across the street at 135 North-West Robles.

1316
01:51:47,380 --> 01:51:52,420
I'm here to support our business tenants, Eastwood Spank, Alexander Stakehouse, and

1317
01:51:52,420 --> 01:51:55,000
Weston Hotel to oppose to this program.

1318
01:51:55,580 --> 01:52:00,420
They are here as well, and they will raise their concerns and shortly you'll hear from them.

1319
01:52:00,420 --> 01:52:06,720
Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is John Blayswith.

1320
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:15,660
Good evening. I live at the corner

1321
01:52:15,660 --> 01:52:23,060
of Colorado and Euclid. Just a few little points and clarification. I'm also a member

1322
01:52:23,060 --> 01:52:29,600
of the Homeowners Association and our, one of our main concerns is that the services and

1323
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:37,080
security. Oh and by the way I'm a I agree with the merits of the proposal but our concern

1324
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:44,980
is that the services and security are not sufficient for the proposal and then just some

1325
01:52:44,980 --> 01:52:54,680
clarification that primarily no more than 25 occupants, never more than 25 vehicles that any

1326
01:52:54,680 --> 01:53:01,440
the egress in the evening would only be by vehicle. They have to stay in their car. And

1327
01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:08,700
then, of course, in terms of security and services in the morning. One of our challenges

1328
01:53:09,180 --> 01:53:17,600
is with our homeless neighbors is the use of public fountains, both off of Euclid and

1329
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:24,540
on Colorado Boulevard. That's one of our challenges that we're working on right now. And I think

1330
01:53:24,540 --> 01:53:30,420
I think I heard that there might be some shower facilities in the morning, as people

1331
01:53:30,420 --> 01:53:40,640
leave the facility, but basically that the services that and the security are not enough

1332
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:41,800
for the proposal.

1333
01:53:44,710 --> 01:53:44,950
Thank you.

1334
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:49,120
And our last speaker is Jill Schuck.

1335
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:57,660
Good evening.

1336
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:01,620
My name is Jill Schuck and I'm with making housing a community happen.

1337
01:54:01,620 --> 01:54:11,080
And we've been helping to work with congregations that want to solve the homeless and housing crisis.

1338
01:54:11,580 --> 01:54:15,160
We started researching best practices around safe parking.

1339
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:19,180
We studied safe parking sites throughout California.

1340
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:24,640
And then we put together a program and we've been evaluating it ever since.

1341
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:30,660
pastor Richter was gracious to use her church facility which is not far from

1342
01:54:30,660 --> 01:54:39,000
here and it's been exciting. I'm going to tell you two stories. One is a church I've

1343
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:43,800
been working with on North Ferrofe's pastor Stewart at the new Guiding Light

1344
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:50,600
Missionary Baptist Church called me one day and said I've been ministering to

1345
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:55,900
some folks living in their cars and I really enjoy getting to know them and

1346
01:54:55,900 --> 01:54:59,960
they've started coming to church but I looked out my window today and

1347
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,920
And I saw the Pasadena Police tow their cars away. So their only home they had was taken away from them because it is not legal to be on the streets in this city. We need a legal place where people can safely be. I'm going to tell you a second story about Suzanne, who's become a good friend of mine, who was a safe parker. She went to USC. She's very smart, lovely woman. She just fell on hard times mostly through health issues. And now she's fully

1348
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:39,520
housed, and it's been a joy to get to know her. The permit was very interesting when

1349
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:44,780
we were trying to get the conditional use permit, because it became very evident exactly

1350
01:55:44,780 --> 01:55:52,740
what Pastor Rector just said, that it became evident that safe parkers were actually part

1351
01:55:52,740 --> 01:55:57,120
of the solution. They're the ones that had eyes on the street that were keeping the

1352
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:57,920
neighborhood safe.

1353
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:08,140
Another point is that the the success rate. So, if you look at the

1354
01:56:08,140 --> 01:56:19,680
success rate, we have had no calls in four years, zero, no calls. And secondly, we are just

1355
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:26,020
so proud that we're seeing people get housed and they have hope and they have lives and

1356
01:56:26,020 --> 01:56:33,940
have jobs. So I'm going to close with this and just ask a question. I'd like you to think about

1357
01:56:33,940 --> 01:56:39,960
those people that are struggling trying to find some place in this city where they can park

1358
01:56:40,580 --> 01:56:46,980
that are living in their cars. They could be a brother, a sister, a friend of mine in Lakhanyada.

1359
01:56:47,580 --> 01:56:54,080
He learned that his wives and the gal that came to do the nails that she was living in her car.

1360
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:58,940
You never know who it might be, people we see and encounter every day.

1361
01:56:59,820 --> 01:57:03,220
And so what's better to have a safe place for them?

1362
01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:12,120
What about all the students at PCC, 20% of those students are experienced homelessness?

1363
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:18,420
What a better place to have students here that can be safe and be on the path they're getting

1364
01:57:18,420 --> 01:57:18,660
housed.

1365
01:57:18,940 --> 01:57:19,660
Thank you, Ms. Shook.

1366
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,060
Thank you for your time.

1367
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:21,560
Thank you.

1368
01:57:26,130 --> 01:57:26,590
Okay.

1369
01:57:26,590 --> 01:57:32,790
Okay, I actually would like to ask a question of our second appellant, Jennifer Erickson.

1370
01:57:33,610 --> 01:57:34,550
Are you still here?

1371
01:57:35,570 --> 01:57:36,750
Would you mind coming up to the mic?

1372
01:57:38,350 --> 01:57:43,710
I appreciated your very brief comments, but also sounded very hopeful that if given

1373
01:57:43,710 --> 01:57:49,530
more time, I was going to ask are you in communication at all with our first appellant group, the Maryland?

1374
01:57:49,970 --> 01:57:52,990
So I believe...

1375
01:57:52,990 --> 01:57:55,970
or the applicants, the applicant as well.

1376
01:57:56,150 --> 01:57:57,410
Could this all get worked out?

1377
01:57:57,570 --> 01:57:59,950
And I wouldn't say 45 days, maybe a week,

1378
01:58:00,170 --> 01:58:03,670
but are you hopeful that something could happen?

1379
01:58:04,030 --> 01:58:04,350
Certainly.

1380
01:58:04,710 --> 01:58:06,630
We have not been contacted by the applicant.

1381
01:58:07,690 --> 01:58:09,170
We reached out to the Maryland just

1382
01:58:09,170 --> 01:58:11,810
to see where their thoughts were at initially.

1383
01:58:12,510 --> 01:58:14,470
When we sort of just learned about the project,

1384
01:58:14,470 --> 01:58:18,490
but we would love to sit down with all the folks, applicant,

1385
01:58:18,830 --> 01:58:21,730
city, and find a solution.

1386
01:58:21,730 --> 01:58:25,630
Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. Let's see where our discussion goes. Thank you.

1387
01:58:26,330 --> 01:58:31,130
Sure. Absolutely. Jennifer, there's one more question from Board Member.

1388
01:58:31,790 --> 01:58:41,210
I'm not really clear what your objections are. So there have been a number of concerns that have been raised in letters and comments.

1389
01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:48,090
And so we're wondering if there's additional conditions of approval that might satisfy both parties.

1390
01:58:48,090 --> 01:58:56,690
But still make this operational and workable for all saints, such as the lack of security

1391
01:58:56,690 --> 01:58:58,610
or facilities, things like that.

1392
01:59:00,350 --> 01:59:00,830
Okay.

1393
01:59:01,710 --> 01:59:01,990
Thank you.

1394
01:59:02,190 --> 01:59:02,210
Yeah.

1395
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:07,390
Okay.

1396
01:59:07,530 --> 01:59:09,130
Now as are the public hearing.

1397
01:59:09,230 --> 01:59:11,890
We'll close public comment unless there were any last minute cards.

1398
01:59:12,870 --> 01:59:13,430
Oh, revettled.

1399
01:59:13,530 --> 01:59:13,750
Sorry.

1400
01:59:13,930 --> 01:59:14,050
Yes.

1401
01:59:14,170 --> 01:59:15,230
I'm forgetting my script.

1402
01:59:16,290 --> 01:59:19,870
So I guess, do we go in the same order?

1403
01:59:19,870 --> 01:59:32,750
So, I guess there is now time for rebuttal, so we can start with Mr. Nard Doney, and I think we're doing five minutes each on the rebuttal.

1404
01:59:33,550 --> 01:59:39,930
Well, thank you for the time that you've already taken to listen carefully to the things that have been said.

1405
01:59:39,930 --> 01:59:48,430
But I'm really quite surprised to hear that I don't recall, I don't think anyone from

1406
01:59:48,430 --> 01:59:54,910
the Maryland has described the potential users of this program as mentally ill or dangerous

1407
01:59:54,910 --> 01:59:56,070
or anything like that.

1408
01:59:56,070 --> 01:59:59,470
We think that it's not the right use of the property of the

1409
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
You're not saying all homeless people are somehow not worthy of being helped, but this is not the form or the place for the help. And so I urge, again, the board to regard its role and purpose seriously. It may very well be that the Episcopal Church wants all of its member parishes to use their facilities, but to help homeless people. But that doesn't mean that that

1410
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:44,620
That moral injunction overrides the city's laws, and the law here is quite clear that a commercial property is not available for using for a safe parking program.

1411
02:00:45,060 --> 02:00:55,760
I'm sorry to disagree with Pastor Richter, but I believe that she's an error in saying that the property at Trinity Lutheran is not a religious facility.

1412
02:00:55,760 --> 02:01:02,060
It is zoned as a religious facility and that is the reason that it is permissible for

1413
02:01:02,060 --> 02:01:05,200
the safe parking program there to be operated.

1414
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:14,200
I would also note that it's been remarkable the number of people who came from other

1415
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:16,240
places, not Pasadena residents.

1416
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:21,660
In fact it was notable that only two people who spoken support of the application mentioned

1417
02:01:21,660 --> 02:01:23,800
that they live in the city of Pasadena.

1418
02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:30,860
Most of the people or many of them, I don't know, all of them seem to be coming from someplace else.

1419
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:37,060
Again, our concern is that this is a program that is being visited upon our neighborhood

1420
02:01:37,060 --> 02:01:40,040
by people who don't live in our neighborhood.

1421
02:01:40,660 --> 02:01:48,740
And as I said earlier, there is serious concern about the ability of all saints to properly operate this program.

1422
02:01:48,740 --> 02:01:54,520
now we've heard from Mel who operates the shower of hope what he made out of

1423
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:59,320
told you is that the city of Los Angeles has recently defunded the shower

1424
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:04,060
of hope from many of their programs that they were funding for them and I'm

1425
02:02:04,060 --> 02:02:08,700
wondering whether or not we're going to see a situation in which their financial

1426
02:02:08,700 --> 02:02:14,400
ability to monitor and operate this program will be drawn into question but

1427
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:19,660
But even if aside from that, the simple question is, simply, is this?

1428
02:02:20,180 --> 02:02:27,220
This property is not a religious facility, and therefore it is outside the boundaries

1429
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:35,320
of the ability of this board or anyone to authorize the operation of a safe parking program

1430
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:35,660
there.

1431
02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:43,340
And I urge you to follow the law rather than be influenced only by your own personal

1432
02:02:43,340 --> 02:02:49,060
views of what is good public policy or what is the moral thing to do. All of those things

1433
02:02:49,060 --> 02:02:55,640
are legitimate for us to exercise in our individual lives, but this board is charged with enforcing

1434
02:02:55,640 --> 02:03:03,840
the laws of the city of Pasadena. Thank you. Thank you. Jennifer, do you have any other

1435
02:03:15,220 --> 02:03:24,800
I would like to add one thing this is more a little bit outside of this program and thank

1436
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:29,940
you for bringing up the fact we were defunded but that was program within the city of Los Angeles

1437
02:03:29,940 --> 02:03:37,560
that Los Angeles is facing cuts but that is not going to affect our budget in

1438
02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:42,840
how we're going to provide for the city of Pasadena. And I want to give you an

1439
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:48,680
example. All of you have like Jill mentioned, all of you have heard of homeless

1440
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:55,640
us within Pasadena City College, right? Do you know the one only program that is

1441
02:03:55,640 --> 02:04:02,220
day to support homeless community college students, I operate that program. I

1442
02:04:02,220 --> 02:04:06,760
operate it through funding. It's technically in all the Dina. We have 18

1443
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:13,320
bed 16 students, all of whom go to Pasadena City College. The reason I say this

1444
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:18,780
is if you're questioning mine or the people who came here to support to speak on

1445
02:04:18,780 --> 02:04:26,480
our behalf of our stake in Pasadena. I'm talking about 16, 18 to 24-year-olds who are living

1446
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:35,380
right now on Sierra Vista in our program. So that's our commitment to you. We are not getting

1447
02:04:35,380 --> 02:04:40,400
any funding from the city of Pasadena. We're not getting any funding from Pasadena City College.

1448
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:48,660
But right now today, 16 students have a place to stay. Not because of me, because of those people

1449
02:04:48,660 --> 02:04:55,240
who came to speak because of other people who want to make a difference. For us, it doesn't

1450
02:04:55,240 --> 02:04:58,920
matter if it's in our backyard or not. These are still our people.

1451
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:28,260
When eaten happened, so many people are displaced. It can happen to anyone. Right now the biggest fear that's making people homeless is artificial intelligence. Because you don't know when they can come in and take you all every penny you own. It can happen to anyone. We are here to prove and we have a track record. You can Google the show of hope. You won't find anything negative other than multiple positive news articles about what we do to show that us.

1452
02:05:28,260 --> 02:05:34,860
With the perseverance of Pasadim, Eric and everyone else here from all saints is going

1453
02:05:34,860 --> 02:05:36,980
to give support to the people of Pasadina.

1454
02:05:37,900 --> 02:05:40,040
Like Daniel said, 2025 isn't easy.

1455
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:47,160
And if there is a Pasadinian who's on our streets who needs a place for a week or a month

1456
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:51,540
to stay safe while they get back on their feet, we're willing to be there.

1457
02:05:52,140 --> 02:05:53,100
So thank you for your time.

1458
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:56,230
Thank you very much.

1459
02:05:56,230 --> 02:05:57,230
Yes,

1460
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:03,560
now we can go into deliberation or additional questions from the board members.

1461
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:05,060
Yeah, this question from staff.

1462
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:10,520
So all things has three parcels that are conjoined.

1463
02:06:10,660 --> 02:06:12,360
They're all owned by the same property owner.

1464
02:06:12,860 --> 02:06:16,720
And is the zoning consistent through all those three?

1465
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:18,460
It's P.S.

1466
02:06:19,120 --> 02:06:20,800
So all three are the same.

1467
02:06:21,140 --> 02:06:21,820
Yeah, that's correct.

1468
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:26,080
The zoning for all three properties are P.S., and that's public, same as my public zoning

1469
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:26,420
district.

1470
02:06:26,580 --> 02:06:26,840
Okay.

1471
02:06:26,840 --> 02:06:27,800
Okay, thank you very much.

1472
02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:34,300
If I may add one thing, Jenny O'Reilly Jones from the City housing department here has

1473
02:06:34,300 --> 02:06:39,480
offered to address some of the costs and things, Jenny, would you like to point out?

1474
02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:43,680
Well, let me ask my fellow board members if we want that.

1475
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:48,980
Does anyone have specific questions about cost or what the city has invested in this?

1476
02:06:49,140 --> 02:06:49,260
No.

1477
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:50,800
But thank you for offering.

1478
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:51,140
Thank you.

1479
02:06:51,660 --> 02:06:51,960
Thank you.

1480
02:06:53,140 --> 02:06:54,180
So deliberation?

1481
02:06:54,180 --> 02:06:59,420
Deliberation? Deliberation, but has your question been answered clearly in terms of, but maybe

1482
02:06:59,420 --> 02:07:06,640
for clarification, Allison, that the zoning matches the way the ordinance or the zoning

1483
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:13,520
code was revised to allow the use. I want to be mindful. We have shaking heads, but just

1484
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:18,280
to be clear, we have our city attorney here to clarify anything, but it seems to be a major

1485
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:23,060
point of contention of whether or not this use is even allowed on this property. So maybe

1486
02:07:23,060 --> 02:07:24,220
and we should answer that first.

1487
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:27,720
And I also have another ancillary question to that.

1488
02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:31,480
Is that parking for that use is also included?

1489
02:07:32,180 --> 02:07:36,760
So whether you have the chapel where the parking light is

1490
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:39,480
or the parking is underground doesn't make any difference

1491
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:41,120
because you have to provide parking.

1492
02:07:41,900 --> 02:07:42,700
That's correct.

1493
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:45,000
All the uses are required to have parking

1494
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:50,040
and a site can consist of multiple parcels.

1495
02:07:50,500 --> 02:07:51,200
Which you've seen this.

1496
02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:51,980
Okay, thank you.

1497
02:07:53,080 --> 02:07:55,820
Chair, I'd like to tease out a few questions with staff and council.

1498
02:07:59,340 --> 02:08:01,520
The first page of the staff report is,

1499
02:08:01,660 --> 02:08:04,140
provides the recommendations, which is 0.1 and 0.2.

1500
02:08:04,260 --> 02:08:06,320
And I'd like to start with 0.1, the SQL review.

1501
02:08:07,580 --> 02:08:11,660
All projects are subject to SQL review,

1502
02:08:12,220 --> 02:08:14,780
except with a long, lottery list of exemptions.

1503
02:08:14,980 --> 02:08:17,920
And the exemptions being applied here is Section 15301.

1504
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:33,560
I'll just read it out loud quickly, exempts from environmental review, the operation repair maintenance, permitting leasing, licensing, or minor alteration of existing public or private structure facilities, mechanical equipment that continues on for a second.

1505
02:08:34,060 --> 02:08:39,600
Could you all apply the facts for me that shows that this exemption is accurate?

1506
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:49,420
I'm sorry, well, could you apply the facts of this case to show why this exemption applies?

1507
02:08:49,420 --> 02:08:58,260
Yes, that's correct because the existing site is a parking lot and it's being used as a parking lot.

1508
02:08:58,380 --> 02:09:06,140
There's no expansion of any facilities in terms of additions to the religious facilities.

1509
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:14,840
So that's why it is applicable to have class one exemption applied to this project.

1510
02:09:17,780 --> 02:09:44,460
I'm sorry about the loudness there, California Code of Regulations 15301 is the existing facilities exemption and that states class 1 consists of operation repair maintenance permitting, so this is a permitting minor alteration of existing public or private structures facilities involving negligible or no expansion of existing or former use.

1511
02:09:44,460 --> 02:09:51,540
use, the key consideration is whether the project involves negligible or no expansion of

1512
02:09:51,540 --> 02:09:58,040
use, and then examples include, but are not limited to, and a few examples down, existing

1513
02:09:58,040 --> 02:09:59,960
highways in streets, sidewalks,

1514
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:13,100
So, I think there's a reasonable inference that a parking lot falls within that listing of examples.

1515
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:31,800
Okay. And I just try to get them trying to tease us out and make sure that this exemption covers this. So, from what I'm hearing from you is parking to parking is the same. We have cars that are parking from seven to seven during the day. And now we're going to have cars parking. So, we're going to have cars parking.

1516
02:10:31,800 --> 02:10:37,980
from 7 to 7 during the night. And that is the same use that makes a qualify under this exemption.

1517
02:10:38,300 --> 02:10:44,620
That's correct. And also the religious facility does use the parking lot at night currently,

1518
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:51,380
so that's baseline. And based on that, the additional 24 cars coming in at night is not

1519
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:58,760
significant expansion of the use of the parking lot. In fact, it's likely fewer cars that are

1520
02:10:58,760 --> 02:11:03,380
during the day. That's an inference and I didn't actually track that

1521
02:11:03,380 --> 02:11:09,340
personally. Okay, thank you. That's the first part of the legal part of this

1522
02:11:09,340 --> 02:11:12,480
kind of what I want to work through if that's okay with the rest of the

1523
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:15,800
account. Can I clarify something on the point you're raising? Yes, please.

1524
02:11:15,860 --> 02:11:23,240
Which is there isn't some other standard if the vehicle is occupied is there? Is

1525
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:27,320
that taken into account in the environment that someone is sleeping in this

1526
02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:34,120
car, not that I'm aware of. I mean, it should be noted, during the day, there are more

1527
02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:39,060
cars going in and out of that lot because they're going to and from court appearances.

1528
02:11:39,220 --> 02:11:48,000
I'm assuming, whereas there would be fewer in and out driving trips theoretically at night.

1529
02:11:48,280 --> 02:11:49,380
A traffic perspective.

1530
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:50,220
That's correct.

1531
02:11:50,360 --> 02:11:55,140
There might also be an assumption that some overworked attorneys might take a nap in their

1532
02:11:55,140 --> 02:12:00,000
car. It's not going to sound as well. Can I ask a related question? Does

1533
02:12:01,100 --> 02:12:04,940
Palestinian prohibit overnight parking on private property?

1534
02:12:06,440 --> 02:12:10,120
Non-private property. Okay. So this is private we're dealing with private

1535
02:12:10,120 --> 02:12:17,180
property. And to some extent, somebody could park at all saints overnight and

1536
02:12:17,180 --> 02:12:20,540
sleep in their car if it's on private property and the property owner is

1537
02:12:20,540 --> 02:12:22,060
agreeable, isn't that true?

1538
02:12:27,080 --> 02:12:27,260
Yeah.

1539
02:12:27,540 --> 02:12:30,040
I mean, theoretically, right?

1540
02:12:30,620 --> 02:12:34,740
Or if you swapped instead of having the safe parking

1541
02:12:34,740 --> 02:12:37,540
where the court parking is now, and you swapped it,

1542
02:12:37,620 --> 02:12:38,440
and you had it in the other side,

1543
02:12:38,840 --> 02:12:40,860
it wouldn't really make any difference, would it?

1544
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:43,580
I mean, in terms of whether they're

1545
02:12:43,580 --> 02:12:46,780
allowed to, whether they would be exempt from sequa,

1546
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:51,280
and also an MCUP would be applicable, right?

1547
02:12:51,560 --> 02:12:52,040
That's correct.

1548
02:12:52,040 --> 02:12:58,340
But you know the program itself the safe parking program people sleep in the car that requires the MCUP

1549
02:12:58,340 --> 02:13:01,800
Right. Yes, but I also wanted to point out in terms of

1550
02:13:02,540 --> 02:13:04,920
existing facilities and baseline

1551
02:13:05,820 --> 02:13:06,940
There is

1552
02:13:07,480 --> 02:13:11,940
Ensuring to your point about people sleeping the cars and if that's going to

1553
02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:20,940
Have an impact in the environment based on baseline. There is already existing homeless services provider at the at the

1554
02:13:20,940 --> 02:13:24,440
the site, and therefore that's existing baseline.

1555
02:13:24,900 --> 02:13:28,120
And so by allowing this additional service,

1556
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:30,820
it's not an expansion of the use,

1557
02:13:30,820 --> 02:13:32,600
a significant expansion of the use.

1558
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:36,160
Thank you very much now,

1559
02:13:36,300 --> 02:13:37,940
I'd like to continue on to the second part

1560
02:13:37,940 --> 02:13:40,500
of just going through the actual following,

1561
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:41,340
the text of the law.

1562
02:13:42,420 --> 02:13:44,160
I know we've already said it once before,

1563
02:13:44,260 --> 02:13:48,160
but I would like to go through again on this commercial,

1564
02:13:48,160 --> 02:13:55,120
property zoning, what is and is not allowed with the code, if you could just go through

1565
02:13:55,120 --> 02:13:56,960
one more time with me, I would greatly appreciate it.

1566
02:13:58,500 --> 02:14:03,180
That's what I keep hearing commercial property religious property and all that being thrown

1567
02:14:03,180 --> 02:14:10,220
around, that's why I want to understand exactly what the code section that authorizes this

1568
02:14:10,860 --> 02:14:13,900
says which parcels which zoning it's allowed for.

1569
02:14:13,900 --> 02:14:29,090
Okay, so safe parking is permitted. Let me actually just read the code section on

1570
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:34,480
parcels and

1571
02:14:38,610 --> 02:14:45,070
bail in as you're looking for this is the zoning code that was amended was a 2023

1572
02:14:45,070 --> 02:14:51,690
to allow for this safe program. That's right. And I know that came to our commission. Many of us

1573
02:14:51,690 --> 02:14:59,090
We're on the planning commission. I know Michael wasn't with many of us were and then our recommendation went on to city council who then

1574
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:18,040
Would have debated it and had hearings. I don't know if any of the appellants were part of that. I think we amended the zoning code, didn't we? We did. We did. We did. But it went through a pretty lengthy process. We did. We just didn't just sort of appear. I don't know where. And then the city adopted it. And now we have the second project. Right.

1575
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:38,100
I'm sorry. I'm looking for the language in the zoning code that talks about Allison is there any way to pull that up on your screen? No. No.

1576
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:41,160
We remodeled the room for all this new tech.

1577
02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:45,040
Yeah, unfortunately, I don't have access to a laptop up here.

1578
02:15:45,940 --> 02:15:54,400
But the zoning code does specify that the safe parking use is not allowed in residential areas.

1579
02:15:55,260 --> 02:16:05,360
So once Balan is able to find that language, that is the specific item that distinguishes safe parking.

1580
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:13,620
and so with the Trinity case, there was a portion of the Trinity site that is

1581
02:16:13,620 --> 02:16:18,240
is zoned residential, which was that northern portion of the lot, the pastor

1582
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:23,260
Richter referred to, whereas the southern portion of the lot is zoned

1583
02:16:23,260 --> 02:16:29,620
commercial. The All Saints case is a bit different in that the entire property as

1584
02:16:29,620 --> 02:16:37,320
bail in the zoning administrator alluded to, the entire All Saints Church site is zoned

1585
02:16:37,320 --> 02:16:44,000
public semi-public, which is not a commercial zone and it's also not a residential zone,

1586
02:16:44,320 --> 02:16:50,300
but it is a zone in which safe parking is allowed in association with a religious facility

1587
02:16:51,800 --> 02:16:58,040
with a minor conditional use permit. But of course the zoning code text I think can explain that

1588
02:16:58,040 --> 02:17:03,380
as well, but essentially what it boils down to is safe parking is not allowed in residential

1589
02:17:03,380 --> 02:17:09,660
zones, but it could be allowed in commercial or public semi-public zones according to

1590
02:17:09,940 --> 02:17:10,460
the code.

1591
02:17:10,780 --> 02:17:11,140
That's correct.

1592
02:17:11,320 --> 02:17:17,900
So, where in the code it says that religious facilities, where safe parking is permitted, is

1593
02:17:17,900 --> 02:17:24,820
in the PS zoning district and news table, it says the safe parking is permitted with a minor

1594
02:17:24,820 --> 02:17:28,700
inter-conditional use permit in association with a religious facility.

1595
02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:37,980
For us, a religious facility is the entire site, so it's not a parcel itself, where the

1596
02:17:37,980 --> 02:17:39,680
sanctuary is.

1597
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:46,660
As Commissioner Delgado mentioned, parking is required for different uses, so a lot of

1598
02:17:46,660 --> 02:17:49,640
times parking could happen in a different parcel.

1599
02:17:49,640 --> 02:18:08,680
So the city's zoning code also has a definition for site, which we added to the staff report that states that site means a lot of group of contiguous

1600
02:18:08,680 --> 02:18:16,740
slots not divided by any alley, street, other right-of-way or city limit that is proposed

1601
02:18:16,740 --> 02:18:23,400
for development in a court with the provisions of the zoning code and is in a single ownership

1602
02:18:23,940 --> 02:18:29,200
or has multiple owners all of whom join in an application for development.

1603
02:18:29,800 --> 02:18:35,820
There has been an argument that this is not a development because there is nothing no

1604
02:18:35,820 --> 02:18:43,400
So construction proposed the definition of development in the zoning code says any construction

1605
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:50,320
activity or alteration of the landscape, its terrain contour or vegetation, including

1606
02:18:50,320 --> 02:18:52,840
the erection or alteration of structures.

1607
02:18:53,740 --> 02:19:02,960
New development is any construction or alteration of an existing structure or land use or establishment

1608
02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:04,160
of a land use.

1609
02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:11,280
So the establishment of a safe parking use is considered a development under the zoning code.

1610
02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:18,160
And therefore, this MCUP is permitted to be applied on to the site because it does contain

1611
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:22,500
a religious facility and parking is part of the religious facility.

1612
02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:23,740
Thank you very much.

1613
02:19:23,780 --> 02:19:28,900
That's exactly what I was looking for was just going through that step by step on how you got

1614
02:19:28,900 --> 02:19:29,660
to where you got to.

1615
02:19:29,740 --> 02:19:30,260
Thank you very much.

1616
02:19:30,280 --> 02:19:30,580
Thank you.

1617
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:36,920
Well, and I think I would just add, I mean, when the whole concept of creating a safe

1618
02:19:36,920 --> 02:19:42,720
parking ordinance, if you will, came into play or amending the zoning code, I think it

1619
02:19:42,720 --> 02:19:48,480
was fairly obvious or known that the parking lot of the church would be used for the parking.

1620
02:19:49,480 --> 02:19:54,200
We didn't get this flashy Richard Meyer project that was going to be a few years ago, but it's

1621
02:19:54,200 --> 02:19:54,800
a parking lot.

1622
02:19:54,800 --> 02:19:59,500
Well obviously for some it's not obvious for all maybe that would have been underground parking

1623
02:20:00,050 --> 02:20:02,370
That was going to have underground parking, exactly.

1624
02:20:04,740 --> 02:20:07,900
Okay, so. Discussion? Yes, please.

1625
02:20:11,550 --> 02:20:32,790
I think I want to start out, and I'm sorry if I'm all over the place here, but this is an issue that's sort of near and dear to me. We've been working hard in Pasadena having been on the mayor's housing task force and looking how to end homelessness in our city. I just keep thinking about the morning of January 8th,

1626
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:35,890
when there were over 40,000 people that were homeless,

1627
02:20:36,430 --> 02:20:39,110
immediately in Al-Tedina and Pasadena.

1628
02:20:39,810 --> 02:20:42,490
And some of those people are still living in their cars

1629
02:20:42,490 --> 02:20:44,910
and they still need that kind of safety.

1630
02:20:45,150 --> 02:20:49,170
And I think what surprises me about this application

1631
02:20:49,830 --> 02:20:52,690
is not that it's getting some opposition

1632
02:20:52,690 --> 02:20:55,570
because of course the words homelessness always

1633
02:20:55,570 --> 02:20:58,250
raise issues and concerns.

1634
02:20:58,850 --> 02:21:00,310
And it's sometimes misused.

1635
02:21:00,310 --> 02:21:07,630
but that there aren't more religious facilities that have stepped up to the plate to provide safe housing.

1636
02:21:07,850 --> 02:21:16,150
It's essential in transitioning to a better form of life.

1637
02:21:16,330 --> 02:21:26,070
Nobody chooses to really live in their car, but at least they have the possibility of being in their car.

1638
02:21:26,070 --> 02:21:41,010
So I don't want to be emotional about this, but we're living in times that showed us that a huge population can become homeless and become in need of safe housing in a matter of a few hours overnight.

1639
02:21:41,010 --> 02:21:48,350
So I want to support staff, the initial recommendation.

1640
02:21:49,130 --> 02:21:51,070
I support the hearing officer's analysis.

1641
02:21:52,250 --> 02:21:57,810
As a planner, as a fellow of the American Institute of Certified Planner, I see no fault.

1642
02:21:58,450 --> 02:22:02,430
In any of the reasoning, I'm purely planning kinds of issues.

1643
02:22:03,250 --> 02:22:10,990
And so I'm in support of moving this forward and upholding the hearing officer's findings.

1644
02:22:10,990 --> 02:22:16,990
And just to clarify your comments, are you okay with condition 12 and Allison?

1645
02:22:17,490 --> 02:22:19,650
Are we clear on, is everyone clear on what that is?

1646
02:22:19,730 --> 02:22:21,330
Yeah, and conditions for restrooms.

1647
02:22:21,610 --> 02:22:25,970
Yes, to have the port of potty and I understand that the hearing officer was fine with that.

1648
02:22:26,490 --> 02:22:34,990
And so having a separate port of potty for that, the shared parking, is that Allison?

1649
02:22:35,230 --> 02:22:35,990
Maybe you can clarify.

1650
02:22:36,250 --> 02:22:39,650
Is that the amended, have two port of potties?

1651
02:22:39,650 --> 02:22:47,410
not one shared staff has a recommended condition of approval to have an indoor

1652
02:22:47,410 --> 02:22:52,790
restroom for the Safe Haven program which we can show on the PowerPoint so

1653
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:58,350
that's staff's recommended revised condition 12 but of course the Board of

1654
02:22:58,350 --> 02:23:02,470
Zoning Appeals has the ability to recommend different language for

1655
02:23:02,470 --> 02:23:09,290
condition 12 which could be multiple portable restrooms or some other

1656
02:23:09,290 --> 02:23:14,990
configuration. But staff's position or the the impetus was to have separate

1657
02:23:15,730 --> 02:23:21,010
restrooms. Yeah, yeah, right. I mean that that was like sort of from the

1658
02:23:21,010 --> 02:23:27,190
beginning and the third applicant, the third appellant, all say instead it would be too

1659
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:32,930
expensive. Right, that you could do a port-a-potty for the shared parking. And I don't

1660
02:23:32,930 --> 02:23:38,950
know if we should discuss their existing homeless project that's not what

1661
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:44,110
what we're looking at tonight, but they have indoor facilities for that project and that's

1662
02:23:44,110 --> 02:23:46,010
up to them to work that through.

1663
02:23:47,470 --> 02:23:55,390
So staff actually, the staff's recommendation is for safe haven to use an indoor restroom

1664
02:23:55,390 --> 02:23:59,650
facility that's either in the trailer or inside the church.

1665
02:24:00,430 --> 02:24:07,690
However, if the board of zoning appeals believe that a second port of party is sufficient instead

1666
02:24:07,690 --> 02:24:13,850
of an indoor existing bathroom facility. That is something that we could specify.

1667
02:24:14,150 --> 02:24:18,610
I would be in favor of that since it would be a burden on the church to have to have

1668
02:24:18,610 --> 02:24:24,690
everything in the indoor as they had said it's over $100,000 in their costs. So to have

1669
02:24:24,690 --> 02:24:32,610
that one dedicated porta-potty in the proposed safe parking area seems to be the most logical

1670
02:24:32,610 --> 02:24:37,930
and I think the zoning administrator, the hearing officer, was okay with that.

1671
02:24:38,530 --> 02:24:40,130
It says that in the staff report.

1672
02:24:42,760 --> 02:24:47,560
Maybe a clarifying question for all saints, the people that are in the safe haven program,

1673
02:24:48,180 --> 02:24:53,720
are they like in at a certain hour and don't leave until a certain hour, or are they free to come and go?

1674
02:24:54,280 --> 02:24:59,640
I think we heard a little bit from the Maryland home owners that maybe there was too much time.

1675
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,980
And safe haven may not get their sleeping gear out of their locker until 10 p.m., and it must be placed back in their locker by 7 a.m. Do they need to be there at a particular time? Let's say midnight, no, when they arrive is up to them, but the gate by their locker is locked so they would have to get their stuff out of their locker and walk around. So typically people do arrive by and get their things, they're sleeping things out by 10 p.m.

1676
02:25:30,940 --> 02:25:37,820
I see, but then they don't necessarily like set their sleeping gear up and then go out of the property and come back.

1677
02:25:38,260 --> 02:25:39,920
It is that that's possible.

1678
02:25:40,080 --> 02:25:41,260
But it is possible to do that.

1679
02:25:41,580 --> 02:25:49,080
It's not common though from what I see and I do, by the way, check on security cameras all the time at the activity,

1680
02:25:49,080 --> 02:25:52,580
especially at those hours, just to see what's going on.

1681
02:25:52,680 --> 02:25:57,760
And typically people do put their things out at 10 o'clock and hunker down to go to sleep.

1682
02:25:57,760 --> 02:25:59,200
Thank you for the certification.

1683
02:26:01,740 --> 02:26:05,780
I was regarding the sleeping area.

1684
02:26:06,480 --> 02:26:07,820
Do they sleep outdoors?

1685
02:26:07,860 --> 02:26:09,480
They're out sort in the colonnade.

1686
02:26:09,620 --> 02:26:12,220
They're not sleeping indoors in any way.

1687
02:26:12,980 --> 02:26:15,660
I think they're in the colonnated area.

1688
02:26:15,680 --> 02:26:16,760
The colonnated is where?

1689
02:26:17,540 --> 02:26:18,500
Well, it's on the map.

1690
02:26:18,820 --> 02:26:19,700
Is it on the map?

1691
02:26:19,720 --> 02:26:20,640
You can see it on the map.

1692
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:21,960
What is that?

1693
02:26:22,540 --> 02:26:23,260
That's where they sleep.

1694
02:26:23,460 --> 02:26:24,660
It's a covered area.

1695
02:26:24,880 --> 02:26:25,460
It's a covered area.

1696
02:26:25,740 --> 02:26:27,080
It's where you was a walking path.

1697
02:26:27,080 --> 02:26:31,820
Basically, it's going from one building to another at the church, and it's just covered.

1698
02:26:32,120 --> 02:26:34,220
I've been there, I just wanted to make sure that's...

1699
02:26:34,220 --> 02:26:34,620
I have another call.

1700
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:35,660
We could walk over there if you want.

1701
02:26:35,720 --> 02:26:35,940
I see you.

1702
02:26:36,180 --> 02:26:36,860
I know.

1703
02:26:39,740 --> 02:26:40,980
I can ask another question.

1704
02:26:41,260 --> 02:26:41,640
Of course.

1705
02:26:41,940 --> 02:26:42,160
Okay.

1706
02:26:42,400 --> 02:26:46,080
That has to do with the building as of the corner of Walnut and Euclid.

1707
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:48,640
Is that owned by the church, and what is that used for?

1708
02:26:51,180 --> 02:26:54,140
We learned that earlier, but you can answer it with the Euclid and Euclid and Euclid and

1709
02:26:54,140 --> 02:27:00,840
the Euclid and the Euclid and the Euclid and the Euclid and the Euclid and the Euclid.

1710
02:27:00,840 --> 02:27:05,560
is property owned by the church. Is there anybody this people do people sleep there or is it you?

1711
02:27:05,700 --> 02:27:14,640
No, no, no. There's there's stuff churches have a way of collecting stuff. There's stuff in there

1712
02:27:14,640 --> 02:27:19,640
but it's not used. It's not used in any way. Is there a bathroom facility there? No.

1713
02:27:20,900 --> 02:27:22,500
Okay, thank you.

1714
02:27:26,020 --> 02:27:26,720
Do we need them?

1715
02:27:31,580 --> 02:27:38,460
I think we still need to talk about whether or not a single porta-party for both programs

1716
02:27:38,460 --> 02:27:46,600
is sufficient because it sounded like the, currently the porta-party is the one that's

1717
02:27:46,600 --> 02:27:54,480
in this slot, the blue thing is what the Safe Haven people are using.

1718
02:27:54,480 --> 02:28:03,340
And so the, if I understood it correctly, the All Saints suggestion was that the safe

1719
02:28:03,340 --> 02:28:08,280
haven and the safe parking, people would use the same one.

1720
02:28:08,620 --> 02:28:08,820
No.

1721
02:28:09,540 --> 02:28:14,120
Where's this, where, because the other ones that are shown are indoors and All Saints

1722
02:28:14,120 --> 02:28:15,620
have said that is not sufficient.

1723
02:28:16,580 --> 02:28:23,440
All Saints talked about a way to get to that port of potty by not having to go on Euclid,

1724
02:28:23,440 --> 02:28:24,660
which made a lot of sense.

1725
02:28:25,360 --> 02:28:28,040
But I didn't see where that second port of party

1726
02:28:28,040 --> 02:28:29,320
was going to be located.

1727
02:28:30,020 --> 02:28:31,960
I clarify that for you.

1728
02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:38,180
So this plan before you is basically

1729
02:28:38,180 --> 02:28:41,120
a result of the hearing officer decision letter

1730
02:28:41,970 --> 02:28:45,080
with clarification after that hearing officer

1731
02:28:45,080 --> 02:28:48,360
Addendum was received prior to this meeting.

1732
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:52,160
Essentially, there was no longer the need

1733
02:28:52,160 --> 02:29:01,640
for those two light blue indoor restrooms and instead the location of the

1734
02:29:01,640 --> 02:29:10,100
safe parking restroom would be in the safe parking area and the red toilet and

1735
02:29:10,100 --> 02:29:15,920
hand wash station that's labeled would remain as part of safe haven because that is

1736
02:29:15,920 --> 02:29:21,520
what's currently approved for safe haven and so essentially if if the

1737
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:27,380
the Florida zone appeals would like to have the condition tonight, just be something

1738
02:29:27,380 --> 02:29:33,100
like water, trash, and restroom facility shall be provided, maintained and accessible

1739
02:29:33,100 --> 02:29:39,880
to clients during safe parking facility hours, and modify that to say something about shall

1740
02:29:39,880 --> 02:29:48,000
be secured locked and equipped with key code mechanism, like the language you can see

1741
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:56,260
on the third line of the recommended condition here, that would basically allow two potential

1742
02:29:56,260 --> 02:29:59,740
restrooms, why each site without needing any...

1743
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:10,540
Any change essentially to the safe haven current operations? And is the proposal for the safe parking

1744
02:30:10,540 --> 02:30:17,140
area to have a hand wash station as well? Yes. It was just mentioned port-a-potty, which

1745
02:30:17,140 --> 02:30:23,500
is not so the same as one of the hand wash stations. Yes, as you can see on this. This one

1746
02:30:23,500 --> 02:30:27,940
it says it differently, yeah. Yeah, this one shows port-a-potty and hand wash station.

1747
02:30:27,940 --> 02:30:34,460
So this was the original proposal from all Saints going into the hearing officer meeting

1748
02:30:35,380 --> 02:30:42,220
prior to the revised condition of approval where the hearing officer required the indoor facility.

1749
02:30:42,760 --> 02:30:47,780
So now the hearing officer is okay with this as long as it's locked.

1750
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:50,260
Exactly. Yes. Thank you for clarifying.

1751
02:30:51,300 --> 02:30:56,120
Wait, so just having one but it's locked and it's shared by both uses.

1752
02:30:56,120 --> 02:31:00,940
No, just for shared parking, this is just for the parking area.

1753
02:31:01,040 --> 02:31:03,300
Oh, okay, so that would be two.

1754
02:31:03,420 --> 02:31:04,320
Separate facilities.

1755
02:31:04,620 --> 02:31:06,060
Separate two separate areas.

1756
02:31:06,360 --> 02:31:08,760
There are still either red ones that you saw on the last slide.

1757
02:31:09,480 --> 02:31:18,420
And does the current staff recommendation have a review period in it?

1758
02:31:18,980 --> 02:31:24,360
We do not have a recommended condition of approval for six months or 12 months review, but

1759
02:31:24,360 --> 02:31:26,360
that the border zone you feel can add.

1760
02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:36,640
It feels like I do hear the concerns of the residents in the neighborhood, and I think

1761
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:44,980
that it makes sense to maybe take a look because it is a new program in that area in six

1762
02:31:44,980 --> 02:31:45,240
months.

1763
02:31:46,060 --> 02:31:51,600
I think two months is a little too soon, but six months might be enough time.

1764
02:31:53,180 --> 02:32:01,860
Also, I am curious if we need to go all the way to the maximum capacity to start, or if

1765
02:32:01,860 --> 02:32:09,300
it could build to that, just to see how it goes in terms of vehicles.

1766
02:32:10,780 --> 02:32:19,880
I know there's within the code they could park RVs there, I don't know if that's the intent

1767
02:32:19,880 --> 02:32:27,640
of the program, that to me would feel a little bit different as a neighbor, I think, to have RVs.

1768
02:32:28,180 --> 02:32:33,460
We're just taking that out and putting in a condition that there are no RVs and campers.

1769
02:32:33,640 --> 02:32:36,160
They're just single vehicles.

1770
02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:42,580
In a lot of liberation time, we have not had that conversation, so I'm bringing it up during this time.

1771
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:43,160
Okay, good.

1772
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:48,580
We're waiting to see if that is something that we would want to specify.

1773
02:32:48,580 --> 02:32:57,220
I don't think that's a condition at the other safe parking place, but also that they don't have as much room, right?

1774
02:32:57,780 --> 02:33:02,460
Yeah, so at Trinity, there is a condition that says no RVs.

1775
02:33:02,540 --> 02:33:03,380
Okay, so yes.

1776
02:33:04,100 --> 02:33:13,120
So I think that would be one to consider the six month review,

1777
02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:22,360
implementation on RVs at this point. And then a question of, you know, do we start at the maximum or

1778
02:33:22,360 --> 02:33:30,200
build to the maximum after a period of time? I would agree with no RVs, no campers. That's just

1779
02:33:30,200 --> 02:33:38,760
limited to single vehicles. I'm not so sure about the six months because at any time if there's a

1780
02:33:38,760 --> 02:33:44,020
The problem, the Zoni Administrator, can call this for review, so that's open indefinitely

1781
02:33:44,020 --> 02:33:47,520
the way the conditions have been applied.

1782
02:33:48,360 --> 02:33:55,220
I think the project, when we heard from Mel, that even though you could have 25 cars,

1783
02:33:55,880 --> 02:34:00,480
most people, you know, there are couples that are in their cars, you may just have half of

1784
02:34:00,480 --> 02:34:00,660
those.

1785
02:34:01,080 --> 02:34:05,820
I think we should let them, I think we should let the operator who knows what they're doing

1786
02:34:05,820 --> 02:34:11,500
do what they do and let them operate the program as they've designed it.

1787
02:34:12,060 --> 02:34:16,660
So it's designed for 25 vehicles or 25 occupants, and I'm fine with that.

1788
02:34:17,280 --> 02:34:21,840
And if there is a problem, it can be called up at any time.

1789
02:34:22,440 --> 02:34:30,360
And could staff clarify what brings the problem to their attention versus a formal time limit

1790
02:34:30,360 --> 02:34:31,040
for review?

1791
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:37,420
If we do get a lot of complaints or if we do find that there are a lot of violations

1792
02:34:37,420 --> 02:34:44,320
of the conditions of approval, the hearing, the zone administrator can call up the CUP

1793
02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:50,520
for review, it could be either a modification to the conditional use permit or it could be

1794
02:34:50,520 --> 02:34:56,240
a hearing to revoke the CUP and you'll be in a notice public hearing.

1795
02:34:56,240 --> 02:34:59,920
Is there a threshold though, who we establish a threshold of?

1796
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:06,360
It's like if we get more than 10 complaints or something that are substantive, not just that

1797
02:35:06,360 --> 02:35:12,020
oh, I saw a homeless person walking by and I, you know, whatever. But 10 substantial kinds

1798
02:35:12,020 --> 02:35:16,980
of complaints that are violations of conditions of approval that would trigger a call for review.

1799
02:35:17,560 --> 02:35:25,500
You could add a condition of such, but the zoning code is open in terms of exactly up to the

1800
02:35:25,500 --> 02:35:28,120
the ZAs discretion went to call it up to review.

1801
02:35:28,580 --> 02:35:30,980
So I wasn't clear on that when I'm sorry.

1802
02:35:31,260 --> 02:35:33,000
What did you say at the very end of that?

1803
02:35:33,000 --> 02:35:37,400
Oh, that the zoning code is open in terms of leaving it up

1804
02:35:37,400 --> 02:35:39,260
to the zoning administrators discretion

1805
02:35:39,260 --> 02:35:42,020
of when an item should be called up for review

1806
02:35:42,020 --> 02:35:44,280
and revocation or modification.

1807
02:35:45,200 --> 02:35:48,320
What did I was thinking about going back to the six month review?

1808
02:35:48,700 --> 02:35:50,220
Because that would be at a public hearing

1809
02:35:50,220 --> 02:35:54,240
and that would give the homeowners an opportunity

1810
02:35:54,240 --> 02:35:59,940
to speak to what their experiences are versus maybe they don't have to call up and call

1811
02:35:59,940 --> 02:36:05,300
you all the time. They could say this is what's happening. So there might be an assurance

1812
02:36:05,300 --> 02:36:11,340
to them in a way that we've heard them and we're looking to see if we can resolve some

1813
02:36:11,340 --> 02:36:12,420
of their personal issues.

1814
02:36:13,440 --> 02:36:20,180
But I also want to come to less discretionary and more unexpected date on a calendar.

1815
02:36:20,320 --> 02:36:20,860
I agree.

1816
02:36:21,480 --> 02:36:24,880
I was going to suggest that six months seems like a long time.

1817
02:36:25,060 --> 02:36:25,760
What about three months?

1818
02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:26,100
No.

1819
02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:27,240
Two short?

1820
02:36:27,580 --> 02:36:28,100
Two short.

1821
02:36:28,140 --> 02:36:32,600
You have to establish the program and get people settled in and you have to get the

1822
02:36:32,600 --> 02:36:36,440
neighborhood kind of used to seeing those cars there and what's going on too.

1823
02:36:37,040 --> 02:36:39,120
And three month period is not much time.

1824
02:36:39,940 --> 02:36:45,060
I don't think there's any precedent for that there so you should if we do six months or

1825
02:36:45,060 --> 02:36:45,580
12 months.

1826
02:36:45,580 --> 02:36:54,060
I also wanted to ask if in another incident we had with the Maxwell House, we had a direct

1827
02:36:54,060 --> 02:37:00,200
connection phone number of the operator or the head of the program with the neighbors.

1828
02:37:00,940 --> 02:37:06,120
Could we have an arrangement like with Mel having the neighbors have his phone number if

1829
02:37:06,120 --> 02:37:10,280
he was willing to do something like that, but as a way of communicating because 48 hours

1830
02:37:10,280 --> 02:37:14,860
of you calling a hotline, somebody is going to do something, somebody else is going to do something

1831
02:37:14,860 --> 02:37:20,240
Or as if you have somebody you can call directly, who is responsible, they can get back

1832
02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:26,360
to them, but they can also give an assurance to the homeowner that we are responding to

1833
02:37:26,360 --> 02:37:26,640
you.

1834
02:37:26,960 --> 02:37:27,860
We hear you.

1835
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:33,300
Maybe I don't know if it's you, or if it's somebody else, who is the person who gets

1836
02:37:33,300 --> 02:37:34,540
that phone call the middle of the night.

1837
02:37:35,420 --> 02:37:40,300
But it is something we addressed before with the Maxwell House, the connection of the

1838
02:37:40,300 --> 02:37:45,260
relationship, basically it's relationship that we're building, it's not just a

1839
02:37:45,260 --> 02:37:50,640
number. Commissioner, so just to clarify, would you take a fax number? No, I'm

1840
02:37:50,640 --> 02:37:57,340
getting up. You know, we've already approached multiple of the neighboring

1841
02:37:57,860 --> 02:38:03,400
businesses. I'm more than happy to give them my email. I think if it's anything

1842
02:38:03,400 --> 02:38:09,660
severe, again, we have that hotline on the program that they can call and if it is

1843
02:38:09,660 --> 02:38:13,920
severe battle trigger call from onsite security directly to my cell phone.

1844
02:38:14,600 --> 02:38:14,700
Yeah.

1845
02:38:15,360 --> 02:38:17,660
But the otherwise your email is available?

1846
02:38:18,200 --> 02:38:18,540
Absolutely.

1847
02:38:19,180 --> 02:38:19,440
Okay.

1848
02:38:19,740 --> 02:38:24,700
And then I think one of the conditions is that it's posted where you can call, it's posted

1849
02:38:24,700 --> 02:38:29,940
on the site so that anybody can see that and they could take that number and the folks

1850
02:38:29,940 --> 02:38:36,920
at Maryland could have that and they've met Mel now and they know who's, you know, they

1851
02:38:36,920 --> 02:38:40,760
I know their neighbors at all say and says, well, right?

1852
02:38:41,440 --> 02:38:41,820
Okay.

1853
02:38:44,680 --> 02:38:48,880
So Carol, Commissioner Hernandez, just to clarify,

1854
02:38:49,100 --> 02:38:53,820
condition number 11 does say I represent the level of the program

1855
02:38:53,820 --> 02:38:56,740
responsible for the activities occurring on site

1856
02:38:56,740 --> 02:38:59,420
shall be available during all hours of operation

1857
02:38:59,780 --> 02:39:02,720
and be able to take and respond to calls.

1858
02:39:03,660 --> 02:39:07,340
Response to the call shall be provided within a reasonable time,

1859
02:39:07,340 --> 02:39:14,020
not to exceed 48 hours, and it does continue on to say that the name and telephone number

1860
02:39:14,020 --> 02:39:20,600
of the individual owner or designated representative responsible shall be posted on a signed

1861
02:39:20,600 --> 02:39:27,060
visible from the public quite a way on the premises in accordance with the city municipal

1862
02:39:27,060 --> 02:39:36,480
code, kept on record in the office of the religious facility on the website for all things, and

1863
02:39:36,480 --> 02:39:42,100
And this information shall also be furnished to the zoning administrator or any city official.

1864
02:39:43,120 --> 02:39:47,520
So there is a way to requirement that the phone number and the name be furnished and

1865
02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:48,520
post it on site.

1866
02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:49,480
Is this sufficient?

1867
02:39:49,700 --> 02:39:50,600
She'll address your concern.

1868
02:39:50,980 --> 02:39:51,240
Okay.

1869
02:39:51,660 --> 02:39:53,540
Is that would be his phone number and his email?

1870
02:39:54,180 --> 02:39:54,380
Yeah.

1871
02:39:54,520 --> 02:39:56,220
So would this condition suffice?

1872
02:39:56,500 --> 02:39:56,720
Okay.

1873
02:39:57,060 --> 02:39:57,420
Thank you.

1874
02:40:03,220 --> 02:40:25,580
Any other questions, comments? Did you want to address back to your issue of the 40, the maybe a meeting of the AR people, AR? No, I don't know if we need to go there. No, it's not the same thing that the commissioners feel that board members, I should say board members feel that there's any.

1875
02:40:28,180 --> 02:40:32,720
I think our charge is fairly clear. And if there are issues,

1876
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:40,360
If the residents have issues, there's ways to address them very, very clear ways to address them.

1877
02:40:46,570 --> 02:40:47,230
So, can I move motion?

1878
02:40:47,230 --> 02:40:50,110
Well, we need a motion unless there's further deliberation.

1879
02:40:50,230 --> 02:40:51,090
No, I'll make a motion.

1880
02:40:51,550 --> 02:40:54,550
Jennifer, do you want to make a motion?

1881
02:40:55,290 --> 02:41:03,610
Okay, I'm going to move staff's recommendations with the following amendment on condition number 12

1882
02:41:03,610 --> 02:41:09,510
that the second language that Alison showed us would be the language for

1883
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:14,610
condition number 12 that there's a port-a-potty dedicated in wash area dedicated

1884
02:41:14,610 --> 02:41:19,450
for the shared parking area and they would have a key number whatever that

1885
02:41:19,450 --> 02:41:26,110
language was and and and also staff's recommendation upholding the hearing

1886
02:41:26,110 --> 02:41:32,290
officers 20 June 18th decision and finding that the project is exempt from

1887
02:41:32,290 --> 02:41:37,870
of SIGWA, pursuant to the guidelines section 15301.

1888
02:41:40,390 --> 02:41:47,550
Commissioner Delvado, I wanted to clarify for condition number 12, because the last sentence

1889
02:41:47,550 --> 02:41:53,010
of condition 12, the way staff is recommending, does the participants from the safe haven

1890
02:41:53,010 --> 02:41:58,170
temporary homeless shelter shall utilize a restroom inside the church facilities?

1891
02:41:58,970 --> 02:42:01,370
So would you like to strike that sentence?

1892
02:42:01,370 --> 02:42:09,250
No, I want to use the second one that Allison showed us on the screen that had a new, the new one, right?

1893
02:42:09,410 --> 02:42:12,910
Can you put that back on the screen just so we're very clear here again.

1894
02:42:13,410 --> 02:42:15,910
There's a new recommended condition number 12.

1895
02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:19,880
Okay, that's that one.

1896
02:42:20,200 --> 02:42:21,400
Recommended condition number 12.

1897
02:42:21,560 --> 02:42:27,200
Water Trash and Restroom Facilities shall be provided, maintained, accessible to clients during safe parking facility.

1898
02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:29,400
I was the portable resting facility.

1899
02:42:29,800 --> 02:42:33,100
She'll be accessible to the safe parking program participants only.

1900
02:42:33,700 --> 02:42:37,720
Participants of safe haven, temporary shall use the ones inside the church.

1901
02:42:37,960 --> 02:42:39,200
So I want this language.

1902
02:42:40,040 --> 02:42:45,840
So I just wanted to clarify that we are requiring the safe haven homeless participants to use

1903
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:47,840
a facility inside the church.

1904
02:42:48,360 --> 02:42:49,460
Yeah, we'll read that.

1905
02:42:49,460 --> 02:42:51,240
Right, which could also be an separate portapoddy.

1906
02:42:51,420 --> 02:42:54,660
Right, it could be whatever because that's not part of the application.

1907
02:42:54,660 --> 02:43:03,960
I think that it implies that it's an indoor facility and I think it needs to be reverted so that it can be an outdoor facility.

1908
02:43:04,760 --> 02:43:09,280
It could, well, there is one outside but they would prefer to use the indoor one.

1909
02:43:09,440 --> 02:43:13,960
There's no, they said no. They don't want to use the indoor one for the safe haven.

1910
02:43:14,120 --> 02:43:16,540
They do not want to use the indoor one for the safe haven.

1911
02:43:17,100 --> 02:43:18,760
That's what I've heard from that.

1912
02:43:19,600 --> 02:43:23,940
So, maybe just modify the condition to be there's a separate restroom facility.

1913
02:43:23,940 --> 02:43:29,540
for the safe haven and let them figure that out. Yes. Okay, thank you.

1914
02:43:31,830 --> 02:43:34,510
So that was the only amendment to the staff recommendation.

1915
02:43:34,890 --> 02:43:41,170
Right, but I did hear also an amendment that although I'm not in favor of it, so I'm

1916
02:43:41,170 --> 02:43:42,470
not putting it in my motion.

1917
02:43:42,870 --> 02:43:44,030
Well, whatever, what was it, who aren't you?

1918
02:43:45,870 --> 02:43:51,210
Six month review, but I don't think we should go through the expense of a six month review

1919
02:43:51,210 --> 02:43:52,830
if there's been no issues.

1920
02:43:54,590 --> 02:44:00,350
Well, could we clarify that to be a six-month review but someone coming to us to tell us

1921
02:44:00,350 --> 02:44:01,810
how great it's working out?

1922
02:44:03,550 --> 02:44:04,530
Well, what are you thinking?

1923
02:44:05,870 --> 02:44:07,090
Why would you want us to come in?

1924
02:44:07,090 --> 02:44:07,810
I think that's different.

1925
02:44:08,190 --> 02:44:20,590
I think it's a common condition in MCUP to have a six-month review.

1926
02:44:20,590 --> 02:44:30,930
I think that that is reflected in our hearing from the neighbors, both residential and

1927
02:44:30,930 --> 02:44:39,410
business owners, that they have concerns, and I think they deserve an opportunity to address those concerns formally.

1928
02:44:39,970 --> 02:44:42,530
Is this expense review at the hearing officer level?

1929
02:44:42,530 --> 02:44:52,510
It is and it's in the public notice hearing and we bring back the case, the project and

1930
02:44:52,510 --> 02:44:59,570
we go over all the conditions and how the conditions have been working and or not working.

1931
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,960
agenda matter. And how the applicant has complied or not complied. So that's how the report and

1932
02:45:05,960 --> 02:45:10,420
the presentation to the hearing officer would be. It's just a review of the operations,

1933
02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:15,340
the conditions, are the conditions working, do they need to be modified or not? And

1934
02:45:15,340 --> 02:45:20,440
only a only one six month review, it's not going to keep continuing. So that's hampering

1935
02:45:20,440 --> 02:45:26,420
their their operations, right? If the condition is worthy, just the first six month review,

1936
02:45:26,420 --> 02:45:27,980
than that would just be one.

1937
02:45:28,340 --> 02:45:29,920
And then that would be up to the hearing officer

1938
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:31,560
then to make other further decisions.

1939
02:45:31,960 --> 02:45:34,080
Well, the hearing officer can always call it

1940
02:45:34,080 --> 02:45:35,360
for review at any time.

1941
02:45:35,720 --> 02:45:37,000
So we haven't taken that away.

1942
02:45:37,880 --> 02:45:40,060
The zoning code says that, correct?

1943
02:45:40,320 --> 02:45:40,740
That's correct.

1944
02:45:40,940 --> 02:45:42,700
So at any time, there's a problem.

1945
02:45:42,700 --> 02:45:43,980
It could be in two months.

1946
02:45:44,120 --> 02:45:46,820
It could be in, it could be out the six month review.

1947
02:45:46,940 --> 02:45:48,440
And then in eight months, something happens,

1948
02:45:48,440 --> 02:45:49,780
you can call it up again.

1949
02:45:50,080 --> 02:45:52,000
But if you want to have a formal public hearing,

1950
02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:56,220
it's six months, I'll go along

1951
02:45:56,220 --> 02:46:01,940
with that if that's the consensus of my colleagues, but I would be a I think we should do it.

1952
02:46:01,960 --> 02:46:02,660
Okay, I think so.

1953
02:46:02,660 --> 02:46:03,120
Go ahead.

1954
02:46:03,660 --> 02:46:10,560
And also, um, I actually heard the discussion about adding a condition about no RVs and

1955
02:46:10,560 --> 02:46:10,900
companies.

1956
02:46:10,900 --> 02:46:11,080
Right.

1957
02:46:11,380 --> 02:46:11,760
Exactly.

1958
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:12,900
Yes, we're adding that as well.

1959
02:46:13,100 --> 02:46:14,260
Yeah, that was the first one.

1960
02:46:14,520 --> 02:46:15,740
That was the first condition.

1961
02:46:15,880 --> 02:46:16,020
Yeah.

1962
02:46:16,600 --> 02:46:21,880
So we need a second, unless there's anything else, a second, then we can deliberate more

1963
02:46:21,880 --> 02:46:22,600
if you want.

1964
02:46:22,600 --> 02:46:24,660
I don't know, is there any other things that anyone wanted to add?

1965
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:25,200
No.

1966
02:46:25,360 --> 02:46:26,120
Do we have a second?

1967
02:46:26,860 --> 02:46:27,400
No.

1968
02:46:27,400 --> 02:46:28,120
I'll second it.

1969
02:46:28,340 --> 02:46:28,560
Okay.

1970
02:46:28,900 --> 02:46:29,120
Thank you.

1971
02:46:30,660 --> 02:46:31,900
Deliveration on the motion.

1972
02:46:32,120 --> 02:46:32,800
Is it clear?

1973
02:46:33,580 --> 02:46:33,840
Mm-hmm.

1974
02:46:34,020 --> 02:46:34,960
Anything to add?

1975
02:46:35,340 --> 02:46:35,640
Yes.

1976
02:46:36,360 --> 02:46:39,500
Why don't we do a roll call vote, Tony?

1977
02:46:39,740 --> 02:46:40,040
Thank you.

1978
02:46:40,800 --> 02:46:41,880
Commissioner Hickenmarkham?

1979
02:46:42,320 --> 02:46:42,460
Yes.

1980
02:46:43,260 --> 02:46:44,060
Commissioner Hernandez?

1981
02:46:44,480 --> 02:46:44,640
Yes.

1982
02:46:45,320 --> 02:46:46,100
Commissioner Delgado?

1983
02:46:46,460 --> 02:46:46,680
Yes.

1984
02:46:47,440 --> 02:46:48,300
Commissioner Albrecht?

1985
02:46:48,400 --> 02:46:48,600
Yes.

1986
02:46:49,120 --> 02:46:49,900
Chair Geesinger.

1987
02:46:50,120 --> 02:46:50,300
Yes.

1988
02:46:50,580 --> 02:46:51,240
Motion passes.

1989
02:46:52,080 --> 02:46:52,700
Thank you.

1990
02:46:53,300 --> 02:46:54,800
Thank you, fellow board members.

1991
02:46:55,160 --> 02:46:56,860
I mean, just a comment for the public.

1992
02:46:57,140 --> 02:46:58,560
Again, we appreciate the turnout.

1993
02:46:59,200 --> 02:47:03,040
The issues on all sides are very important.

1994
02:47:04,520 --> 02:47:09,740
Again, we were involved in amending the zoning ordinance.

1995
02:47:09,920 --> 02:47:12,560
This was seen as a priority in some ways.

1996
02:47:12,560 --> 02:47:15,860
It went through city art commission, city council.

1997
02:47:16,460 --> 02:47:18,160
We're here now, the second project.

1998
02:47:18,620 --> 02:47:26,900
So, I know it's things may need to get worked out, I don't think there's only going to be two of these in the city.

1999
02:47:28,840 --> 02:47:31,360
So, again, let's hope for the best.

2000
02:47:31,440 --> 02:47:35,860
I think this works when we have good actors and people following the rules.

2001
02:47:36,220 --> 02:47:38,620
So, I hope that's how it turns out.

2002
02:47:42,320 --> 02:47:44,100
I think that concludes our business.

2003
02:47:44,100 --> 02:47:45,300
We are adjourned.