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good evening and welcome to the Paso
Robles Planning Commission of March 14

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2023. I'd like to call a meeting to
order and if you would please stand and

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join me in the Pledge of Allegiance
thank you

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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Republic of which it stands foreign

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thank you item C on our agenda is roll
call staff would please conduct the Roll

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Call
commissioner Christensen present

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commissioner Connolly commissioner cover
rubius here commissioner Davis

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commissioner Marlow here commissioner
Neal here commissioner kogler here

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record will reflect the commissioner
Davis's absence she had a family

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emergency okay and if you're a student
of roll calls you did notice there are

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two new names you probably hadn't heard
before so I would like to formally

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welcome Pat and Eric to the Planning
Commission in a bit larger public forum

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than it was the last time we were
together so welcome we look forward to

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working with both of you and the rest of
the commission

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um okay
um item e on our agenda is the election

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of chairperson and vice chairperson of
the Planning Commission and I would like

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to kick that off with a quick comment
and then probably a motion uh past

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practice and patterns have been that the
pro tem moves into the chair position

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um on an annual basis and when we were
together about a year ago

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um Mr Neal was the pro tem and wasn't in
a position to assume the chair and so I

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continued for a second year at this
point in time Joel I think schedule has

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gotten a little more rational at least I
hope so and I believe he's more amenable

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to the motion I'm going to make which
would be to advance Joe Neal to the

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chairperson of the Paso Robles Planning
Commission that is a motion and it would

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take a second to proceed second by
commissioner cover rubius

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I'll second that
seconded by commissioner cover rubius uh

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any further discussion or other
nominations

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hearing none I would ask for a roll call
vote to be taken

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commissioner kogler
aye commissioner cover rubias aye

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commissioner Neal
aye commissioner Christensen

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aye commissioner Marlow aye commissioner
Connolly I motion passes six zero

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well I guess I get to do the vice
president oh he does doesn't he yeah

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you're no longer there there I'm gone
my name tag and moving on

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good luck

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so before I dive in I would like to very
much thank

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um former chair kogler for his two years
of a hard and diligent effort as

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chairperson of the Planning Commission
um I think I probably threw him a

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curveball last year but uh thank you
again mark

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so with that I'll be accepting
um nominations for vice chair

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if I don't hear anyone I will make that
nomination myself and I nominate Ty

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Christensen for vice chair I will second
that

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any uh other nominations or further
discussion

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seeing none who is the second Mr Kohler
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ER Marlow aye commissioner Connolly hi
motion passes 6-0

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so Vice chair Christensen you want to
move over next to the chair

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this is

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great I think we may have skipped over
staff introductions

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Warren phrase community development
director

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Marcie Reynoso and Ashley Peterson
Administrative Assistant also Darcy

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Delgado is remote she's an associate
planner

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their International

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great and with that um it's now time for
general public comments regarding

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matters not on the agenda as anybody in
the audience wish to speak for matters

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not on the agenda
Marcy anybody online no callers saying

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none
close that portion and we'll start

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public any agenda items proposed to be
tabled or rescheduled this evening there

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are none okay thank you in the next
section is public hearings our first

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public hearing of the evening is a
conditional use permit

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23-01 for an automobile dealership
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um staff

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Katie Bannister associate planner so
this as you said is a conditional use

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permit for a new motor car dealership to
be located out on combine Street

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so here is an image of combine streets
kind of a loop of Street in the

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southwest corner is the new project site
this was formerly proposed to be used

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for caps construction the both Planning
Commission and DRC reviewed different

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site details for this site a number of
times but now a new use is proposed here

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LVS motor
I'm forgetting the name motor cars there

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we go
um so moving on so the project request

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as I said is a conditional use permit um
this is a used auto dealership but it is

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for kind of a niche market uh cars these
are special I think um sometimes uh

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vintage cars and higher end vehicles
um they are going this project is going

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into an existing building
um the building does have seven on-site

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uh outdoor parking spaces that would be
available for customers and the

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employees to park in in addition there's
an indoor showroom it has space for

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about 15 to 20 cars
um the the parking that is being

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proposed on the site is car dealerships
there's not a specific parking ratio

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that's in our in our municipal code and
so there is a note within the parking

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standards that says when there's not
specific parking requirements and

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interpretation of parking impacts and
spaces needs and parking spaces that are

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needed based on a similar use can be
determined by the community development

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director and ultimately by the Planning
Commission so this evening staff is

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recommending that the on-site parking
requirement be based on sort of the

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office and um and customer spaces which
would require I believe six parking

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spaces but there are actually seven
parking spaces required or excuse me

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provided
so um a look at the operations for the

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the business they will be open Tuesdays
to Saturdays from 9 to 6 p.m there'll be

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three employees working on this site
um and as I said in a previous slide 15

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to 20 Vehicles can fit in that showroom
um and for viewing and purchase but the

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business does also include an e-retail
component I think a lot of the business

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gets done on the internet so people do
will come to the site to look at cars

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but they'll also have the opportunity to
have that interaction online the

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businesses does not include any vehicle
service nor part sales so that all the

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trips to the site will be for those
looking at the cars there in the the

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showroom
so here is a look at the site and floor

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plan I'm there on the bottom left you
can see that there is that large indoor

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vehicle showroom but then there's the
conference room and offices there off to

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the east side of the
I guess I'm stating that wrong because

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uh North would be to the to the left
here so on the south portion of the

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building is where you've got the
customer and conference room areas so

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the office and Lounge is just about 2
000 square feet you've got almost three

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thousand square feet of showroom
you can get a look at the peek at the

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elevations there
so um the existing site looking at the

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colors and Landscaping these are recent
pictures this is a recently installed

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site so it's fully landscaped all the um
the finishes are on the building

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um here you see a image from the West at
the top and then there is an enclosure

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at the rear
um the the enclosure did go through

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several rounds of DRC review even the
setback for that the fence was reviewed

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by the Planning Commission as well and
so here is the fence in place

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um so one of the questions that the DRC
had about the project was how do the

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vehicles get into the building there is
a roll-up door on the west side of the

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building and then you can see in the
bottom what that showroom space will

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look like so there's some there's some
storage in there now for caps

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construction But ultimately that will
will go and the the um the vehicles for

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sale will be shown in that showroom
there is one sign proposed it would be

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on the south facing elevation it's a
black metal backer with a laser cut logo

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and it will be led backlit the
dimensions of the sign are four feet by

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eight four feet tall by eight feet wide
you can see it there superimposed on the

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elevation at the bottom as well

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so um we are recommending some changes
to the draft resolution we would like to

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add we would like the Planning
Commission to add one whereas recital

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um or excuse me it would be an amendment
to one of the whereas statements

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um as you can see it would instead of
saying that it's that the applicant is

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requesting a reduced parking requirement
instead you would be making a finding

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that uh seven on-site parking spaces
would be the required parking for this

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use permit in addition
um in the draft resolution and the

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findings the finding number four we
would recommend that some added language

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be put at the bottom so that the um
the the use is compatible with its

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location and based on the fact that the
seven on-site parking spaces are

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determined to be compatible at this
location based on the specific use and

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as Allowed by the Paso Robles Municipal
Code Municipal Code table

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21.22.01 there's a note that states that
uh that an interpretation can be made to

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set the parking
needs based on parking impacts and

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needed parking based on the use
and then in the conditions of approval

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staff is recommending that a condition
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establishment of this luxury used car
dealership and within the existing

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building and it would specifically call
out that the parking requirement for

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this is seven parking spaces in addition
a condition is recommended that would

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require if they make any changes to the
project that result in changes to the

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floor plan that would increase that
increase the size of that Office

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customer Lounge area it would require an
amendment to this conditional use permit

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so that we can take another look at
parking

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the Planning Commission always has
options the first and what staff is

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recommending is that you approve the
attached resolution with those

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recommended changes that that would
Grant approval of the conditional use

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permit and allow seven on-site parking
spaces you could certainly make

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amendments or to um and as we're
recommending changes to the the

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resolution and and continue to approve
the conditional use permit if the

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Planning Commission would like to reject
the the application you would need to

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make specific findings
that the project does not comply with

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any of the required findings
and that um concludes staff for staff's

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report I believe we do have a
representative from the business in in

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the uh in city hall with us this evening

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great Katie thank you so much I was
wondering if you go back to the changes

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the conditions of approval

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and those are the two changes
so those would be the changes to the

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conditions of approval the previous
slide would be some changes to the

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language in the resolution itself so I'm
looking at our conditions of approval on

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page 19 and I only have eight

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so those should probably be probably be
numbers nine and ten okay thank you

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and then with that I'll allow the
applicant to speak this is the time we

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usually do that if they so wish

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hello my name is Michael tenor
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do you have any questions

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we may and you have something great job
I mean everything I would say she pretty

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much said it exactly
um all of the vehicles will be stored

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inside overnight during the day the
parking area will be for for customers

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there's not a lot of Staff that's going
to be there so we're not taken up by a

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lot of staff

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and
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great thank you

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and with that I'll ask
I'll ask the commission if they have any

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questions uh commissioner Marlow any
questions

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of Staff or the applicant yeah I'm just
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um are you going to be washing and
detailing cars at this location

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everything else will be off-site so
detailing will be off-site service will

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be off-site all other aspects of the
business are offsite great and then any

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plans for a future expansion additional
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possibly future employees but only like
one or two at best probably not for a

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while cool that's all I got
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I have a question I guess more for staff
if there's a change in ownership a

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change in a business at this location
does the uh

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does the conditional use permit get
Revisited or changed because you uh you

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this conditional use permit has
specifics to this project this owner in

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this business if the business changes
does the conditional use permit get get

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Revisited that's more for staff
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um so if

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if over this operation and operate in
the same way as this business they could

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continue to operate under this
conditional use permit if they make any

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changes like say they wanted to continue
doing a car sales but it there were

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changes made to you know the operations
it would require an amendment to the

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conditional use permit if it's not
consistent with the conditions you have

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you would approve this evening if some
other permitted use there you know

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there's lots of things that are
permitted in the C3 zoning District that

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doesn't require a conditional use permit
they could they could also operate um

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you know without Planning Commission
action but um what you're approving

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doesn't necessarily isn't specific to
this owner but it is specific to the way

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this project is proposed thank you
commissioner Christensen

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thank you Katie
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I have a couple questions
when this project was originally

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approved this building
um I noticed I'm very familiar with the

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neighborhood over there
um that it's under 5 000 square feet was

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this building sprinkle sprinkler at the
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and would it be required now that
they're adding Office Space

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no it sounds like the applicant is not
when and there's nothing in this

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conditional use permit that would allow
expansion of space I'm not familiar

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whether or not the building was
sprinkler

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um Darcy is on the line when was more
involved in with the Caps construction

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project Darcy do you happen to know
whether or not fire sprinklers were

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installed

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I do not know if fire sprinklers were
installed but as Katie mentioned

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um if you know they're not changing the
the building score footage and so if

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they weren't required with the building
Pro you know as the building was

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constructed and um and completed that
the uh the request tonight did not also

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not trigger any uh changes to fire
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thanks Lori so I'm just trying to make
some clarification so because I was

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under the impression that there was
added office spaces they're not a new

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lounge and added with additional office
space or is that was was that original

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to the build out
the customer Lounge this is Darcy again

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so the what's shown on the site plan and
the floor plan

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um was originally a belief I can take a
look

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um you know dedicated office area and
look I believe that the applicant has

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just superimposed you know the
um the terminology that they're using

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for their customer Lounge maybe he can
answer that a little bit better

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um since he updated the site plan
I can answer both of your questions so

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no there is no sprinklers uh Devin Mr
Katz stated that if it was over 5000

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square foot that needed sprinklers this
building is for 4814 I believe

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um as far as the customer Lounge that
was going to be Devon Cap's showroom so

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that is nothing's been added
um or built out that was originally in

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his plan
the conference room offices all of that

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stuff is all
the same as it was for death

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okay so
um this is for staff

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um so essentially if there's not a
change in use the the requirements don't

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change
um even though the square foot of the

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building satisfies what the original
requirements were is that correct that's

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correct if there's any changes that
require building perimeter occupancy

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changes our building department can look
at it and make sure that it's complying

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but I don't believe it needs fire
sprinklers okay okay

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um then another question
um

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one of the questions was answered about
the detail and that was a great question

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um how many employees are anticipated to
be employed at this location

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so the applicant estate
and anticipate having three three

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employees and then I think previously
indicated in the future they might like

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to add maybe one or two
um as my understanding okay so

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um was worse and I was just trying to
clarify this because the way I was

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reading I was a little confused were
seven

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parking spaces originally on site
already that's right the project was

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there a warehouse use and so yes seven
parking spaces were provided this is not

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exactly a warehouse that's got a bit
more customer

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orientation but because
um like if if the showroom was an

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uncovered showroom we wouldn't require
parking for you know like we've got car

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dealerships along theater drive and we
don't make them you know provide parking

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for those parking spaces so staff is
recommending that we would treat this

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showroom similar to how we would treat
an outdoor parking area so we would just

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make the app we would recommend that the
applicant provide parking for just the

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offices and Conference kind of the more
human oriented areas

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okay I think I understand that thank you
Katie

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um let's see

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I think I've got another question I'll
let someone else ask some questions at

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this time
commissioner

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thank you just a couple questions
um

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the sign that's being proposed there's a
sign on the building right now that

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looks like this site but I don't believe
it's in the same location can you tell

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me is that the sign that's going to be
relocated is that the sign we're dealing

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with just one sign not more than one the
sign I'm sorry the sign that is on there

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right now is a temporary sign for uh DMV
licensing so it has to be a certain size

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at least so it has to be a two by two
sign next to the address for DMV

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purposes when the sign goes up on the
the big sign goes up that will still

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work because you can still take a
picture of it and see the address and

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the big sign so that is that sign is
temporary it was actually I'm gonna go

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take it down tonight actually they came
and did their inspection today so that

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sign is rectangular though it's not two
by two it's a two by three signs so the

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one that will be permanent will be
larger and up higher correct as proposed

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okay very good thank you then another
question for you quickly will you Market

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through bring a trailer and similar
auction sites not a hundred percent sure

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on that yet a lot of online sources so
cars.com CarGurus things like that

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um possibly bring a trailer I haven't
looked into that yet so would that be

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the Principal vehicle by which customers
might come to look at a car if they

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happen to live in the geographic area
and you advertise it in one of those

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forums they may come and look at it you
see other scenarios in which the public

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actually comes to this site correct yes
so you would come and do your test drive

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and everything else if if they needed to
come to the area to purchase we've

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definitely I've been in the in the
industry my whole life so sometimes

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people don't even come to the dealership
they'll just buy and we'll deliver it to

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them and I assume occasionally you'd
have a transport coming in to move

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product to and from
typically yes so if we're going to do

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something like that we would put it on a
truck you'd see a semi occasionally

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um not typically not not the way that
we're going to do it our cars will be

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enclosed trailers right but so people
like reliable have very large trucks

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that are in close trailers yeah I mean
some of them are some of these okay all

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right thank you
commissioner thank you um to the

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applicant real quick just for the
commission to hear this

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um the the zoning requires that 25
percent

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be used vehicles is that right Katie
right so what does the zoning ordinance

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allows is that if this was an entirely
new if all the cars being sold on the on

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in the project were new It's actually an
allowed use when you when the applicant

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introduces used car sales then it's a
conditionally allowed use and so he he's

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here asking for a conditional use permit
because he intends to sell used cars

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used cars so just to clarify that is the
main advantage Vehicles is what I'm

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really starting to hear is that is that
accurate more along the lines of luxury

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Vehicles okay high-end luxury cars okay
but we also have a half a

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got it okay
um all right no other questions

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thank you chairperson Neil
um I know my other question was Katie I

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I had written note so you're you're
saying that normally 15 spaces would be

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required but we're saying that we're
comfortable with seven is that what I

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read here so for a commercial use of for
a building that's I can't remember the

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exact size 4 800 square feet however
much it is if we were considering the

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whole building to be just a regular
commercial use it would require three

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parking spaces for every thousand square
feet so that would be um you know so

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let's just call it five times three you
know 14 15.

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um but because of the nature of what's
being sold here the sort of the widget

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that's being sold is so large
um you know we just don't expect as much

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customer turnover as we would if they
were selling you know something smaller

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for you know five thousand square feet
of say computer parts or you know

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something of a smaller nature would take
less space I'm not explaining it very

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well but because of the nature of the
type of of sales that are going on here

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staff is recommending that seven parking
spaces would be appropriate and so to

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that follow-up question on that Katie so
with the um

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as part of the cup there's no way to
really

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monitor the amount of traffic hopefully
you know I'm sure they want to be

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successful so but we can't limit you
know they're they're saying they're

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doing a lot of it online or via phone
and I'm sure they probably will today

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technology is great but I'm sure that
they'll be

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um people wanting to come there we we
haven't we in other words there's not

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really a way to monitor that under the
cup is that correct so the intent of

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this up is to make sure that this
business is compatible with the

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neighborhood it's not a staff
recommendation but it is possible to

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review cups over time
um we haven't really been in the

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practice of doing that and I'm not
really recommending it but if you know

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if we are getting a lot of compliances
this business is causing you know too

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much parking some sort of issue we can
review that and and you know bring it

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back to the Planning Commission for your
review

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um it would be a fairly extreme case
where that would happen okay thanks

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that's it for me sir

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and I was on a DRC when this was
um

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brought forward to DRC and I don't have
any questions at this time

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um as this is a public hearing I'd like
to open it up to the public or is there

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anybody in the audience that would like
to speak to this item

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please come up state your name and
address

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this

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hello
thank you my name is Jim McKenzie I own

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the properties adjoining this we've had
a significant amount of problem with who

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will end up being his landlord
um so I just try to determine whether or

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not
the person that's trespassed on our

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property destroyed our property done
tons of things like that over the last

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couple of years is going to be the
business owner so I don't want to affect

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him he has every opportunity to have to
run a business but it was presented to

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me that this was he was partnering with
the person we've had a lot of problem

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with the problem I do have with it
is we've had opportunity we own four of

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the four Lots behind this and we've had
opportunity to do

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um build the suits but because of the
restraints of this we were not able to

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accommodate that so my fear is that if
this is going to be accepted then we

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have
all we have to do is say we're using it

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for one thing
then change our use and then we can rent

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it for whatever we want and you know we
have a gym across the street that has

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very little use of of Total Space
because they needed so much parking

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this kind of falls in the same category
I don't think they'll need as much

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parking but it definitely brings a
concern of what the rest of the

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development is going to be and what US
previous owners were able to develop

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prior to this
so

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that would be it great thank you very
much

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anyone else like to speak to this issue

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saying that Marcy anybody no colors
and with that I will close public

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comment
I'm not sure there was a question there

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um
so bring it back to the commission for

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additional comment and or emotion

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but of course just a Clarity question
I'm looking at page 19 under the

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conditions of approval it says the
project shall be constructed I'm just

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for clarity the internal side of the
property is it already like this or it

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still needs to be enhanced do the TI's
need to be done or it's already like

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everything is the way it's going to be
okay so it's already pretty much done

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okay okay all right thank you

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commissioner kogler uh no further
discussion if there's no other

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discussion I'd be glad to offer a motion
I do I'm sorry thank you

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um
I do have a concern over the the way

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we're treating the parking and I
understand that there's the parking

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space now my concern is for a lot of the
the businesses that did develop there

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um they took into account that parking
when they built the building out and

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when they designed that building knowing
that there may be a future use issue

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down the road so I hope that this
doesn't set some type of precedent

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because I feel like it's it's on the
verge of that and we're just kind of

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skirting it by using this the the
um storage space as uh as where the the

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new or new used cars would be which I
could understand and I I could see that

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for luxury cars making sense I think
that again I I feel that we're kind of

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doing a work around here
to satisfy something that would have

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normally not been built in this way or
probably approved if it wasn't

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um
you know the way they're proposing the

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design and I do believe that there will
be more employees there so the parking

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and customers I think will be limited
either the employees will be parking on

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the street or the or the customers will
be parking on the street one of the two

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will probably take place unless they can
park inside so those are my thoughts

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Mr Conley

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I I agree with uh Ty you know with his
comments I was gonna I was concerned

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whether it be off street parking and it
doesn't look like it's provided here uh

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so uh with the same concern that you
have three maybe four employees that

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doesn't leave much uh space for
customers

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I agree
thank you commissioner tomorrow no

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further comments so I do have a question
there's a um Trailer Sales down on the

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other corner and I think they have two
lots um for that trailer sales yard do

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we happen to remember what the parking
ratio was for that particular facility

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sure I think this is Darren Ashley
planner so

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I as you mentioned that project used
more than one law I used at least three

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if I recall maybe more I don't remember
what the specific ratio was but the uh

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they have quite a few parking spaces
related to The Trailer Sales business

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and then they work on them and have
different work on repair type Bays so

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they do have more they do have more room
for parking lots they designed their

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building related to the type of use as
kind of mentioned here you know these

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buildings were kind of built as shell
buildings or warehouses with with some

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office use and that's how many of them
are but to answer your question the

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trailer sales has much more room they
built it for trucks trailers and the way

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in their building to maneuver that and
they purchase the the building the the

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side and the building to accommodate
that

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I think

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a lot of the Lots in the combine area
are small a lot of times they were I

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don't remember this may have been two
lots before and had to be combined to

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get this size I know a lot of the
development in this area the Lots were

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just small historically and a lot of
times more than one were used to get

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what's out there now
I think the way to look at this is

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we have an existing building an existing
parking and the parking was

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designed to accommodate
a warehouse with an office and with this

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this one happened to have a small
showroom this this probably has more

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parking spaces than many on combine that
were more specifically warehouses

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so the the request tonight is for this
use to go in here

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and they used to go in
one of the reasons

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used car lots require
use permits is where do the cars have

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parked
a lot of times used car lots have

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wall-to-wall cars and they're stored
outside and all that kind of thing and

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they can be an eyesore at times and
that's why cups are required for that

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and not required for new car sales
because new car sales are typically

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dealerships
for this for this project I think the

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the cars are being stored inside where
any product would have been stored

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inside no matter what the use is here
this happens to be cars they have their

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office they store the cars inside the
use permit requires the cars to be

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stored inside
the question then comes

438
00:34:52,379 --> 00:35:01,500
is this use is this Auto Repair use in
this area compatible and I think that's

439
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:06,599
what the question has to come down to
the parking parking is allowed on the

440
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:10,740
streets you can park on the streets but
we try to keep the required parking on

441
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:14,880
site
so the question before and the question

442
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:21,540
the applicant the applicant is explained
to us that this project can accommodate

443
00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:26,280
the employees and customers within the
seven parking spaces so the question

444
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:34,020
before the commission is whether that
seven parking spaces is seems adequate

445
00:35:29,579 --> 00:35:38,099
for this business that has the product
stored inside it is really what we're at

446
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,160
so
um

447
00:35:41,339 --> 00:35:51,380
there are uses that come in that
in these lots that propose more parking

448
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:56,880
and it just can't be done
this one is is saying is this use permit

449
00:35:55,020 --> 00:36:01,560
appropriate here based on the current
parking one of the one of the options

450
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:07,140
could be no it isn't and the commission
would need to make findings that that

451
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:13,619
the parking is not sufficient for the
use being proposed and tell us what

452
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:18,420
great thank you very much and with that
I will oh yes go ahead sorry all the

453
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:24,300
parking conversations uh spurred a
question if there's seven spots any of

454
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:28,740
them required to be handicapped
and I think at the site plan up there

455
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,880
indicates that one of this okay I didn't
see that okay thank you

456
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:41,520
any further questions or comments yeah
so in the event you get too many cars

457
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:45,240
because you're doing well you get a
bunch in things some are going to sell

458
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:49,140
then don't sell and you can't fit them
all inside what's your plan what are you

459
00:36:47,339 --> 00:36:52,380
gonna do
um I don't have a plan for that because

460
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:57,060
I don't expect that to happen so I'm not
trying I have I'm the purchaser so I

461
00:36:54,599 --> 00:37:02,099
will be purchasing as needed so I will
not I want all my cars inside for for to

462
00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:05,040
keep them out of the elements uh it's a
better for me the whole reason I'm

463
00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:08,940
trying to do a warehouse and not your
typical car lot as I feel it's a better

464
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:14,339
experience for the customer when we have
110 Degree Days we're inside when we

465
00:37:11,099 --> 00:37:18,599
have rain like today we're inside uh
I don't want to outgrow this area so

466
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,619
that this is the area that I want to be
in this is the the way it is right now

467
00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:30,300
is how I want it to be I'm not looking
to add 50 more cars sure so uh my point

468
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:36,240
of not letting it happen is I would not
let it happen great and then if it okay

469
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:40,800
I I trust you but beyond that is it does
happen and cars are being left out is

470
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:45,300
there any sort of repercussion behind
that

471
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:49,619
yeah so the the resolution before you
would require all of the the vehicles

472
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:52,680
for sale to be stored indoors if that
starts occurring Outdoors they would be

473
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:57,119
in violation of their conditional use
permit and enforcement would occur great

474
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:02,579
thanks
any further questions

475
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:06,240
entertain a motion Mr chair
um first a quick statement I when I

476
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,560
first looked at the packet and so used
car dealership I went oh really but when

477
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:13,560
I read it and I've actually been a
customer of these types of businesses in

478
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:17,160
a couple different places and it's very
low-key I'm comfortable the parking will

479
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:20,520
work and I'm also comfortable that we
have controls in place that should any

480
00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:23,700
aspect of this business get out of hands
and the balance of what we've talked

481
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:28,380
about we have the ability to reel you in
so to speak so I'm comfortable with that

482
00:38:25,380 --> 00:38:33,180
with that I would offer a motion that we
approve conditional use permit 21 or

483
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:38,280
23-01 permitting a luxury used car
dealership

484
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:43,140
3528 combine Street with the identified
changes that were brought forward

485
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:46,560
tonight the whereas change the change to
section two on findings and then the two

486
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:51,960
conditions of approval adding number
nine and number 10.

487
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:56,480
I have a motion by commissioner code
where is there a second second

488
00:38:54,900 --> 00:39:02,240
I have a second
any further discussion

489
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,520
seeing none I'll call the remote
commissioner Kugler

490
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,720
aye
commissioner Marlow hi

491
00:39:07,619 --> 00:39:12,599
commissioner Conley
aye

492
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:16,020
Mr Christensen
aye

493
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:21,300
Mr covarrubias aye
chairperson Neil

494
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:28,920
aye motion passes 6-0
thank you very much thank you everybody

495
00:39:24,839 --> 00:39:35,000
and the next item on the agenda is
um conditional use permit

496
00:39:30,859 --> 00:39:35,000
22-20 P

497
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:44,940
22-0124 applicant John L Allen for the
Loyal Order of Moose a request for a

498
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:51,359
conditional use permit to establish a
private meeting facility within an

499
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:55,859
existing building at 6 35 28th Street
thank you

500
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:58,740
thank you chairperson Neil So the
applicant did provide an additional

501
00:39:57,180 --> 00:40:01,099
piece of information that I'll pass out
right now

502
00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:20,760
okay Katie banister associate planner
again so as you said this is a new

503
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:24,000
location for proposed for the Moose
Lodge

504
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:27,660
here is a map of the area this is on the
North End of Spring Street you can see

505
00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:31,800
an orange towards the bottom right of
your screen

506
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:36,960
the current location of the Moose Lodge
there is a mixed-use project that is

507
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:41,160
proposed and is under construction there
on that site at 26th in Spring and so

508
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:46,320
the Moose needs to find a new location
so they have located this building at

509
00:40:44,099 --> 00:40:52,079
635 28th Street which is at the
northwest corner of 28th and spring just

510
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:56,820
a few blocks down the road
so this project is in the Uptown Town

511
00:40:54,660 --> 00:41:02,280
Center specific plan it's in the t4f
zoning District that's a mixed-use Zone

512
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:07,740
the in that zone meeting facilities
which is how staff is defining the Moose

513
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:14,400
Lodge is a conditionally allowed use the
building is about 4500 square feet in

514
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:19,140
size parking for this use would be one
parking space for every 400 square feet

515
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:24,119
which would be 11 parking spaces
here's a look at the site so in Orange

516
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:29,880
is the building where the Moose would be
located there is a a kitchen towards

517
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:35,460
it's in the northwest corner of the
building and that is proposed to be used

518
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:39,839
as a separate use a sort of a commissary
kitchen for caterers and so forth and

519
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:45,540
we'll have some discussion about that
the um as the slides progress but um and

520
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,960
when we jump into conditions as well
because there's a number of conditions

521
00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:52,619
related to having that separate use in
the building

522
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:56,400
the Moose Lodge does have two access
points I've got them there in green

523
00:41:54,420 --> 00:42:01,320
there's sort of the main door which is
at the bottom right and then there is a

524
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:06,240
secondary egress towards the rear of the
building there's a condition of approval

525
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:10,800
that would require currently the Panic
bar is not or at least a few weeks ago

526
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:14,700
when the fire marshal and the building
official and I visited the Panic bar was

527
00:42:13,140 --> 00:42:18,540
not fully functional and so that is a
requirement before the Moose can get

528
00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:22,740
going that that um that that be repaired
but there are two points of exit which

529
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,920
is important for a an assembly use like
this

530
00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:29,760
there is also an access point to that
commissary kitchen currently it's a

531
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:34,740
roll-up door which is not adequate
egress for users of that kitchen so at

532
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:40,200
the point in time when that kitchen is
permitted a different type of door would

533
00:42:37,619 --> 00:42:44,040
need to be installed
um we'll be discussing now you can see

534
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:47,880
the little blue triangle excuse me
Square in the bottom right hand corner

535
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:52,800
there is an existing sign there on the
site and Planning Commission will need

536
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:56,280
to decide action on that sign
um and then the whole

537
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:00,300
um the I believe there's two properties
but there's one owner for the property

538
00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:04,319
just to the north of this side it's the
parking lot is oriented as if it's one

539
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,859
large area so in purple there that is an
auto repair use that's existing on the

540
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:14,940
site
so um the uh temporary Food Service

541
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:19,680
which is what this food truck Court
would be considered is a temporarily

542
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:24,060
temporarily allowed use in the t4f
zoning District so staff has approved a

543
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:28,079
temporary use permit to allow a food
truck court on this parking lot there's

544
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:32,579
a lot of parking on this site there's
actually 83 spaces on both properties

545
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:37,920
both the the auto repair area and the
restaurant site so a lot of parking

546
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:42,660
spaces only 11 are required for the
entire building where the moose and this

547
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:47,940
commissary kitchen would be located the
auto repair shop to the north needs five

548
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:52,440
parking spaces 20 parking spaces would
be covered by the food truck area and

549
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:57,000
then if we pretended that those food
trucks were in one enclosed building

550
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:04,140
um which would be about 3 200 square
feet that would require eight parking

551
00:43:59,099 --> 00:44:08,160
spaces so that leaves you with 39 spaces
that are not required for any use that's

552
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:13,380
proposed on site DRC was concerned about
parking because there is a lot of uses

553
00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:17,460
being proposed on the site but just for
information they there is adequate

554
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:21,619
parking for what is required so that's
what this slide is meant to to indicate

555
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:28,380
so jumping into the floor plan I've
rotated it so that North continues to be

556
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,740
up I apologize for making it hard to
read but you can see there

557
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:35,280
um that there's the kitchen area that's
not a part of the Moose Lodge lease so

558
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:40,440
it's a separate area but within the
Moose area there is a separate kitchen

559
00:44:38,579 --> 00:44:45,839
um and then they'll have pool tables and
a bar area and so this is where the

560
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:50,579
Moose will be operating as I said there
are those two egress points in the Moose

561
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:55,920
portion of the lease area
and there's that kitchen area

562
00:44:53,819 --> 00:45:01,020
so here's a picture of the Moose Lodge
kitchen area just for reference we've

563
00:44:58,380 --> 00:45:04,680
been working with the city Wastewater
manager and the fire marshal to make

564
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:09,839
sure that the operation of this kitchen
is safe and meets all the health health

565
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:14,400
department standards and so forth and
the applicant is actively working both

566
00:45:11,819 --> 00:45:18,180
with with City staff and with the health
department to make sure that they can

567
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:23,460
meet all those codes
so there is a bit of delayed maintenance

568
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:27,540
on on the property it's um you know and
not in its in its best state this was

569
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:31,740
obviously Wilson's restaurant for many
years and then the Paradise Grill

570
00:45:28,859 --> 00:45:34,380
operated here for about five years
um

571
00:45:32,579 --> 00:45:39,420
here's some additional pictures the
Landscaping is in need of a facelift the

572
00:45:37,619 --> 00:45:42,839
building itself and these are a few
weeks ago I haven't been by in the last

573
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,079
few days so I'm not sure if any painting
has occurred but

574
00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:51,300
um you know we're still seeing remnants
from the previous signage

575
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:54,599
um a very bold stripe at the top a green
and orange

576
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,560
colors so there are conditions of
approval that would require the building

577
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:02,040
to be repainted in some sort of an Earth
Tone palette

578
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:06,839
um or more traditional for a commercial
project

579
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,500
this is from looking at from the alley
looking towards the the Moose Lodge

580
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,680
building and that auto repair use as
well

581
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:20,220
there is a sign at the corner of the
property it's an unusual sign it's about

582
00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:24,000
six feet tall and the potato sign bases
are approximately five feet by five feet

583
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:30,300
so about 25 square feet on each side
there are four sides to this sign which

584
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:34,680
as I said is a bit unusual the applicant
has provided some sort of options for

585
00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:39,480
how that sign might be reused staff is
recommending that instead of refacing

586
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:42,780
this sign um you know that this a
monument sign is is certainly possible

587
00:46:41,339 --> 00:46:47,819
here but it needs to be a sign that
complies with the Uptown Town Center

588
00:46:44,819 --> 00:46:52,319
specific plan and the sign ordinance so
standards for that would be six foot

589
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:57,240
maximum height but only 32 square feet
in sign area when we look at any

590
00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:00,359
freestanding sign we don't if you know
in a traditional freestanding sign you

591
00:46:58,859 --> 00:47:03,359
would have basically two sides you know
like North and South whereas this one

592
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:08,339
has the four sides
um for a traditional side we if one side

593
00:47:05,940 --> 00:47:13,800
is 32 square feet we would not count the
additional reverse side as sign area

594
00:47:11,099 --> 00:47:17,940
that would count as 32 square feet as I
said what we're looking at is a sign

595
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:21,839
with approximately 100 it's 25 square
feet on each side which would be

596
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:26,579
approximately you know we've got two
times that it would be approximately 50

597
00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:30,480
square feet so the municipal code does
not allow non-conforming sides to be

598
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:34,380
altered to change the signed copy unless
the sign is made to comply with the

599
00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:37,740
provisions of the sign ordinance in
addition the sign ordinance also allows

600
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:42,540
the Planning Commission to impose
conditions to require than any existing

601
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:47,640
incompatible or non-conforming signs be
removed and brought into conformance so

602
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:53,760
um the CR the the draft solution
actually I omitted the the condition

603
00:47:50,839 --> 00:47:57,359
inadvertently so I've got a a slide to
show you what would be proposed but

604
00:47:55,619 --> 00:48:01,640
staff is proposing that this sign be
brought into conformance to be reduced

605
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:06,420
in size and uh and
possibly removed and replaced or

606
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:12,180
redesigned depending on Planning
Commission guidance and ultimately DRC

607
00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:15,079
guidance as well when we get a compliant
sign proposed

608
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:22,140
um as I said I showed in some of the
previous sites the Landscaping is um

609
00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:26,060
needs an uplift and so we do have a
landscape plan proposed

610
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:31,339
um which would put new uh landscape
plantings within all of the existing

611
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:31,339
planter areas

612
00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:38,579
so jumping into the conditions of
approval I've color-coded those that

613
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:43,500
really pertain more to the Moose Lodge
and then and those are the black colored

614
00:48:40,859 --> 00:48:47,640
conditions and then those in red that
really have more to do with the

615
00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:51,480
potential for a commissary kitchen
um and so the Moose they need to make

616
00:48:49,619 --> 00:48:55,380
sure they provide that proper egos as we
discussed they need to repaint the

617
00:48:52,980 --> 00:49:00,240
building and install Landscaping any
future signs for the Moose would need to

618
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:05,579
go through DRC review we don't have any
signs proposed for the Moose at this

619
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:09,119
time looking at the potential for a
commissary kitchen I think one of the

620
00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:15,540
most important things is that there is
currently a temporary use permit for the

621
00:49:12,359 --> 00:49:18,180
um for the food truck court and
um

622
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:22,859
so that temporary use permit would need
to be amended so a standalone commissary

623
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,940
kitchen where there's not any sort of
food service we would consider to be a

624
00:49:24,660 --> 00:49:30,780
food and Kindred products which is more
of like a manufacturing type use that's

625
00:49:29,099 --> 00:49:34,680
not actually a use that's allowed in the
t4f zoning district and so staff is

626
00:49:32,819 --> 00:49:39,180
recommending that the commissary kitchen
be allowed as a part of that temporary

627
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:43,560
use permit the Food Service portion
would be the food trucks and the um the

628
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:48,359
commissary kitchen would be to to
support those food trucks and so the tup

629
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:52,800
would need to be amended in order to
account for that commissary kitchen and

630
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:57,300
any signage that um that is proposed so
that's condition number 11 and then

631
00:49:55,079 --> 00:50:02,339
there's a series of health and safety
requirements for the um that commissary

632
00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:05,640
kitchen including a grease Interceptor
Health Department kit um Department

633
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,480
permits
um the the

634
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:13,020
applicant for the commissary kitchen
will need to seek a building permit to

635
00:50:11,099 --> 00:50:18,180
provide adequate separation between the
moose and that kitchen to make sure that

636
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:21,480
if there was ever a fire in the um in
the commissary kitchen it wouldn't

637
00:50:19,319 --> 00:50:25,020
spread to the Moose area the document
that you were given this evening

638
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:28,500
indicates that the the fire suppression
systems for the two different kitchens

639
00:50:26,579 --> 00:50:32,760
are actually separate so it sounds like
one of the conditions there um the kind

640
00:50:30,420 --> 00:50:35,640
of Part B on number nine is is already
addressed so that it sounds like they

641
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:39,780
already have separate fire suppression
systems but the condition is there to

642
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:44,160
make sure that our our fire marshal is
able to confirm and make sure that those

643
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:46,700
that separate fire suppression is is
provided

644
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,619
um staff is recommending to add two
additional conditions related to the

645
00:50:50,339 --> 00:50:56,280
freestanding sign the first is that the
precinct before the freestanding sign

646
00:50:54,180 --> 00:51:00,839
can be used it needs to be brought into
conformance with the science standards

647
00:50:57,780 --> 00:51:04,020
and it would be subject to DRC review
um the sign is actually

648
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:09,780
um very close to being what's considered
abandoned by the sign ordinance and if a

649
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:13,619
sign is not used for 180 days it needs
to be removed it's considered an

650
00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:18,960
abandoned sign so I've got the date
there March 31st would be 180 days

651
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:25,200
according to Social Media The Paradise
Grill stopped operations on October the

652
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:30,480
2nd of last year which so 180 days would
be March 31st so um the recommended

653
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:34,380
condition would be that if we don't get
an application to even consider bringing

654
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:39,420
the sign into conformance
um before night March 31st that sign

655
00:51:36,839 --> 00:51:43,440
would just need to be removed but based
on that section of the code that you see

656
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:47,400
there
so um with all conditional use permits

657
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,859
the Planning Commission has to make a
series of findings in order to approve

658
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:53,640
it
um so basically you're looking to find

659
00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:57,720
that the um that the use is compatible
with the neighborhood I checked in with

660
00:51:55,619 --> 00:52:00,900
our our Police Department to find out if
they've had trouble with the Moose Lodge

661
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:04,920
over the years they've been operating at
their site on 26th Street for many years

662
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,640
and the police department was very
pleased to find that they would be

663
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:11,760
replacing Paradise Grill which was a use
that they had had some trouble with over

664
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:15,359
the years so
um the police department was very

665
00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:19,140
comfortable with the Moose coming to
this location there are some residences

666
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:23,280
that are just you know immediately
adjacent to the site so um I thought

667
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:27,420
that was a good sign that the police
department was encouraged the Planning

668
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,480
Commission has to make a series of
findings though that basically that this

669
00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:34,020
project is compatible with the
neighborhood that it's not detrimental

670
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:38,819
to our efforts to revitalize our
downtown and then that the pro the

671
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:43,800
proposed land use is compatible with our
plans and policies that we have adopted

672
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:48,540
here in the city
so staff uh the you also need to make a

673
00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:52,079
secret determination and that the
recommended determination is that this

674
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:56,220
is a Class one exemption from the
California Environmental Quality act and

675
00:52:53,760 --> 00:53:00,300
that's included in your draft resolution
so as always the Planning Commission has

676
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:04,800
options the first would be to approve
the draft resolution to approve that the

677
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:09,839
conditional use permit you could modify
and approve

678
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:14,339
the resolution and and staff has
provided some recommended modifications

679
00:53:12,180 --> 00:53:17,460
and then if the Planning Commission
wants to deny the conditional use permit

680
00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:21,119
you would need to make findings of
denial

681
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,940
staff's recommendation is to approve the
the

682
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:29,220
um the project to approve the draft
resolution as I said we do have a couple

683
00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:33,119
of amendments to to recommend but staff
is recommending approval of the project

684
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:37,740
I believe that is the end of my report
thank you

685
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:41,640
great thank you Katie um this time we
usually open it up to the applicant for

686
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:45,180
comments it says the applicant wish to
come up and make comments if they do

687
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:47,359
please state your name and address thank
you

688
00:53:50,339 --> 00:53:52,819
hello

689
00:53:53,579 --> 00:54:00,119
um you just want an opening from
um what I do have is excuse me name and

690
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,599
address please pardon me oh I'm John
Allen um

691
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:09,240
I'm the administrator of the Moose Lodge
so all right thank you one of the items

692
00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:14,040
was talked about is the grease um
Spencer

693
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:21,540
get my glasses I can't read my own notes
Interceptor uh in in scepter we have

694
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:27,780
ordered it I have the bill here
um Brian and Patty from I think Water

695
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:33,180
waste management came by on site Friday
I believe it was

696
00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:37,440
um Brian was happy with what he saw I
have a couple I have a few pictures if

697
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:41,700
you're interested in seeing you with the
three the three sinks and where that's

698
00:54:39,059 --> 00:54:47,220
going to be but if not Brian Brian's
biggest concern was

699
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:50,579
having the grease get moved away from
the hot water and where we told him it

700
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:57,780
was going to be he was fine with that
and he said just go ahead and get it the

701
00:54:55,140 --> 00:55:03,420
triple grease is well known around here
and and respected and Brian knew him and

702
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:08,599
they do the kind of work they do so that
should be in

703
00:55:04,859 --> 00:55:08,599
maybe by the end of this week

704
00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:16,880
anything else
um

705
00:55:18,359 --> 00:55:25,020
well I was pleased um being a retired
police officer from Arroyo Grande after

706
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:29,760
31 years and the moose was in that
existing building or their established

707
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,700
in 1980 that the police department had
any nothing negative

708
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:37,079
um the three years I've been an
administrator I enforce any problems

709
00:55:35,579 --> 00:55:40,200
that we might have not only be to
somebody maybe using foul language or

710
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:44,819
something I can suspend their membership
for a couple weeks and that hurts them

711
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:48,720
more than maybe even get arrested so we
we are we we police our own people and

712
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:54,359
we don't we're not a rowdy crowd
sometimes I explain when the Battalion

713
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:58,980
the fire chief for Italian chief came
over and talked about having two entries

714
00:55:57,180 --> 00:56:02,220
and exits and I said well most of our
people if we had a fire that had to get

715
00:56:01,020 --> 00:56:07,200
their Wheelchairs and start moving
themselves out so we have more of a

716
00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:12,740
senior crowd we're trying to get some
youth in there but right now they're all

717
00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:16,740
about my age you know 35 40. so
and and

718
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:21,480
just a follow-up what are the typical
hours of the the most

719
00:56:19,319 --> 00:56:24,960
um we open right now we and it's been
the hours we're not going to change them

720
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:30,540
we open at 11 A.M Monday through
Saturday and we're scheduled to close at

721
00:56:28,020 --> 00:56:34,380
8 but sometimes it's slow and they get
out seven o'clock

722
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:39,599
um and that but eight o'clock is our
closing time and then if we do have like

723
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:44,280
you know a New Year's Eve party I always
use East Coast time so at nine o'clock

724
00:56:42,359 --> 00:56:49,319
is our 12 o'clock so we're you know
we're not staying out till midnight

725
00:56:45,780 --> 00:56:54,420
causing you know loud noises and stuff
um on Sundays we do um have breakfast so

726
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:57,559
we open up at nine in the morning and we
close at 7 pm

727
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:05,339
great thank you with that I'll open it
up to questions from the commission

728
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:08,579
commissioner kogler a few questions of
staff

729
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:11,300
the food truck operation has that ever
really operated

730
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:20,460
as far as we are aware no it is not okay
so it's permitted that it hasn't

731
00:57:18,660 --> 00:57:23,760
happened who owns is it the owner of the
property that has the food truck

732
00:57:21,780 --> 00:57:28,040
operation or is it yet an independent
operator the applicant for that to up

733
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:34,200
was the owner of of the property okay
and you've talked about adding in the

734
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,980
sale of on-site food as part of the
essentially food truck approved kind of

735
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:43,140
merging those two food truck approval
though was a staff was it not so would

736
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,020
the addition of the on-site sale of food
be a staff function or a Planning

737
00:57:44,460 --> 00:57:48,200
Commission function
so

738
00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:54,720
license is
for the Planning Commission so

739
00:57:52,619 --> 00:58:00,180
um when we we actually have received an
application for this for the commissary

740
00:57:56,460 --> 00:58:03,599
kitchen which it would not include on
its own sort of on-site sales but with

741
00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:07,319
the food truck Court there is that link
where there would be you know on-site

742
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,740
sales of food and so stats
recommendation is that we would allow it

743
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:14,880
because of the food court but it would
need to be tied to the food truck court

744
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:19,920
but you know that's an interpretation
that we're making and certainly Planning

745
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:24,240
Commission could weigh in on that okay
um

746
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:26,700
going to the freestanding sign or
freestanding signs allowed in the

747
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:31,800
district
yes they are okay and up to what height

748
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:35,160
six feet okay that's one and this one is
at six feet if I remember the black I

749
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,420
did not go out and measure it but it's
approximately six feet I could certainly

750
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:43,140
um
but there's no record that that was ever

751
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:45,260
permitted or approved I could not find a
record

752
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:48,859
aerial photographs and and

753
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,700
always there but
those don't go back far enough to really

754
00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:59,940
say but I could not find a building
permit nor a planning entitlement for it

755
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:03,780
okay and the conditions of the approval
that's been already put forward by staff

756
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:07,140
for the food truck operation only allows
food trucks to be there during the time

757
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:11,819
of service is that correct or not to be
parked on site I believe that's correct

758
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:16,440
correct okay there is as your conditions
slide showed one either dead food truck

759
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:20,940
or food truck wannabe I'm not sure which
parked on the site right now I showed up

760
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:25,339
in your one photo and so I take it that
would be cleared away so there is a

761
00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:25,339
future

762
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:34,680
single food truck I believe they have a
business license to operate there kind

763
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:38,760
of independently from the rest of it I
don't know I believe the owners here

764
00:59:36,359 --> 00:59:41,760
this evening and could comment on
whether or not that food truck will

765
00:59:40,140 --> 00:59:46,079
remain once the food truck court gets
going okay it would appear to be on the

766
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:49,859
Moose site if I'm interpreting where the
lines are okay that's all I have for

767
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:55,500
right now thank you
commissioner cover rubies thank you sir

768
00:59:53,520 --> 01:00:00,780
so Katie just clarity
we are here approving the condition use

769
00:59:58,319 --> 01:00:05,339
permit for the Moose Lodge sounds like
the food court portion of this has

770
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:10,380
already been approved by staff
that is correct so the way the design of

771
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:14,059
the food court the layout all of that
stuff has all been handled already

772
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:19,260
correct yeah
it's been approved as it's shown in your

773
01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:23,520
as it's shown okay
in the report it mentions a lot about

774
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:28,260
deferred maintenance was there a
building inspection done do you know

775
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:31,200
um the building official has been on the
site and there are conditions of

776
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:34,619
approval that would require certain
things to be permitted but most of the

777
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:38,819
Deferred maintenance that I'm referring
to is is more cosmetic to the outside of

778
01:00:36,780 --> 01:00:43,799
the building yeah I remember the
building well Wilson's restaurant for

779
01:00:40,619 --> 01:00:47,940
gosh 30 plus years probably not longer
yeah yeah I'm glad to see something's

780
01:00:46,140 --> 01:00:52,319
going to go in there finally hopefully
that's permanent in the long term

781
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,839
um okay
um

782
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,359
commissioner kobler already addressed my
sign question let me make sure there's

783
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,960
nothing else you know what I'll pass it
on to other questions until I finish

784
01:00:59,099 --> 01:01:04,099
reading my other stuff
commissioner Christensen

785
01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:13,380
uh just a couple clarification questions
Katie uh building signage we talked

786
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:16,859
about the sign out by the street is
there building signage and

787
01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:22,200
um is there certain lighting
requirements for that for that type of

788
01:01:18,420 --> 01:01:26,099
zone so the the Moose has not um
propells at this

789
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:31,200
this choir at that point in time when
they do want to put up signage they

790
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:35,099
would have to come for DRC review okay
um

791
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:40,200
commissary kitchen that's not
necessarily are we approving that

792
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:45,020
tonight I mean the the concept of that
space I guess I'm a little confused on

793
01:01:41,940 --> 01:01:45,020
that part of it no

794
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:54,119
no operate safely safely so we're
allowing the moose and we're saying the

795
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:57,000
Moose can operate here but if somebody
wants to go in this kitchen in the

796
01:01:55,559 --> 01:02:00,720
future they've got to do these things to
keep the Moose safe okay I mean I like

797
01:01:59,339 --> 01:02:05,760
both so
um and and when I was looking at the

798
01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:10,380
parking uh number diagram so the Moose
Lodge has in their lease access to all

799
01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:15,059
that parking that's left over from the
food court other than say five for the

800
01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:18,299
automotive repair yes and we do have an
email it's one of the attachments to

801
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:22,020
your staff report that you know when the
auto repair is not in use or the spaces

802
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:25,200
that the auto repair doesn't use
um they you know the Moose can use the

803
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:28,380
spaces that are over there near the auto
repair okay

804
01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:33,420
um I think that's the only questions I
have at this moment

805
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:37,260
commissioner Conley
uh yeah similar to Christians and

806
01:02:35,579 --> 01:02:40,680
commissioner Christians and I was I was
a little confused about the kitchen is

807
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:45,480
the kitchen going to be used by both the
foods court and

808
01:02:42,540 --> 01:02:49,160
and the Moose Lodge so I have dual usage
no there's actually two kitchens

809
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:57,720
they would order stuff and then there
was more of an involved kitchen towards

810
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:01,260
the rear and so the Moose will have
their own kitchen that was the picture

811
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:05,520
we saw with the orange the vibrant
orange tiles that's the kitchen that the

812
01:03:03,299 --> 01:03:09,960
Moose will use there is a separate
kitchen that needs to be more officially

813
01:03:07,619 --> 01:03:14,760
separated off but it would be used as a
commissary kitchen for for food trucks

814
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:19,559
and Caterers so my concern is would
there be a conflict abuse in that space

815
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:23,579
and
I guess with two separate kitchens as

816
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,579
long as that's
as long as everyone knows their

817
01:03:25,319 --> 01:03:30,599
boundaries
that there wouldn't be a conflict

818
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:33,540
between the two so there is a
requirement recognition of approval that

819
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:37,260
will requires that the spaces
spaces be given proper separation to

820
01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:41,400
make sure there's no like fire spread
and so and so forth but as far as I'm

821
01:03:39,540 --> 01:03:46,740
understanding the the owner intends to
to lease them as two separately spaces

822
01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:50,819
two separate tenant spaces yeah and the
conditions would require that that

823
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:54,780
occurs in a safe manner thank you
yeah

824
01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:59,640
um so with that separation of space is
that wall there fire rated or is there

825
01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:03,780
plans to make the separation between the
kitchen spaces fire rated so at this

826
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:07,020
point in time my understanding is it is
not fire rated so the condition of

827
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:11,040
approval is that before commissary
kitchen can operate there they um you

828
01:04:09,420 --> 01:04:13,859
know they're not going to be able to get
health department clearance building

829
01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:16,200
department you know there's there's they
need to work with the building

830
01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:19,619
department to determine what the
appropriate separation is and so our

831
01:04:17,940 --> 01:04:23,940
building department
um will help to to you know make that

832
01:04:21,540 --> 01:04:27,299
those requirements I suspect it would
require a fire rated wall but I don't

833
01:04:25,619 --> 01:04:31,559
know what all the the um the building
official will ensure that the the code

834
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:38,339
requirements are are enforced sure and
then how much cooking is the the Moose

835
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:41,640
organization going to be doing in there
and what are you cooking and how many

836
01:04:40,140 --> 01:04:45,900
people are you cooking for and do you
sell the food like what's the what's the

837
01:04:44,099 --> 01:04:48,660
plan for the kitchen I guess I should
have prepared more for an opening

838
01:04:47,220 --> 01:04:53,460
statement this first time I've ever been
to a Planning Commission so me too I can

839
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:59,760
just back up a little bit we're we're a
prize got it

840
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:03,660
um we're a private fraternity and so to
be to get into the building you have to

841
01:05:01,980 --> 01:05:07,260
have a card and swipe it and then the
door will buzz open

842
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:10,740
um to leave you just hit the bar just
like you know the bar at the door and

843
01:05:09,180 --> 01:05:15,059
you can you can get out just like any
door

844
01:05:11,819 --> 01:05:19,799
um the kitchen is pretty limited in our
use because on Sundays we do breakfast

845
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:24,540
so I'll say for sure on Sundays we do it
and then dinners are just kind of Hit

846
01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:27,660
and Miss if somebody wants to volunteer
to do a Friday night Thursday night or

847
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:32,579
whatever you know like something we were
doing a taco Tuesdays and hamburger

848
01:05:29,339 --> 01:05:36,020
Wednesdays or whatever but um but it's
just limited to the membership and

849
01:05:35,099 --> 01:05:42,599
probably
uh on a average night we sell 20 meals

850
01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:47,339
so 20 hamburgers 20 tacos something like
that so it's not a high volume and

851
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:52,799
everything is all the stuff is
countertop they're all we've bought

852
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:58,020
brand new stuff and um so
separating that kitchen in our kitchen

853
01:05:54,660 --> 01:06:04,079
is night and day yeah yeah and and it's
volunteers that cook yes okay great and

854
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:08,760
then uh with the signage the site
signage I guess this would be for staff

855
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:13,859
is is it currently lit and are there
requirements for lighting out out on a

856
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:17,339
sign out like that
my understanding is that it is not

857
01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:20,400
currently lit although there is it looks
like some sort of conduit that goes up

858
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:25,559
down the middle so it's possible there's
electricity out there signs are not

859
01:06:22,380 --> 01:06:30,420
required to be lit but but um there are
um you can light them the the specific

860
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:34,559
plan prefers external elimination like a
bulb shining on the sign instead of like

861
01:06:32,099 --> 01:06:39,240
a um like a hand sign or something like
that so this what you're seeing here is

862
01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:43,319
just the the I don't even know what to
call it I it's like the remnants like

863
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:46,799
almost like the dirt that was behind the
sign it's not this I'm not even sure

864
01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:50,900
that that's paint it might be but um
that's left over from from Paradise

865
01:06:48,839 --> 01:06:55,740
Grill and I think even from Wilson's
understood and then um with the

866
01:06:53,520 --> 01:07:00,599
irrigation upgrade or the Landscaping
upgrade uh are there irrigation upgrades

867
01:06:58,619 --> 01:07:03,839
going to be going with that do do you
guys plan on doing excavation and

868
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:08,280
trenching through the site to
accommodate upgraded irrigation system

869
01:07:06,539 --> 01:07:12,660
so I was informed that there is
irrigation or you know lines leading to

870
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:17,520
enchanters and so yeah
so you need to install you know in

871
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:22,079
meters and more irrigation equipment but
I don't believe it's going to require

872
01:07:18,539 --> 01:07:25,440
trenching okay and then does does your
organization do you guys do outdoor

873
01:07:24,059 --> 01:07:29,940
activities are you planning on being
outside obviously it sounds like a lot

874
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:33,539
of people are leaving way early in the
evening so yeah just

875
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:37,319
um the three years I've been
administrating we haven't done anything

876
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:42,660
outside but in past years I've heard
they've had a few things where we you

877
01:07:39,420 --> 01:07:46,740
know get a a one day permit
um but I don't know all the ins and outs

878
01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:49,799
and that but right now there's no plans
I'm just trying to get in there and

879
01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:56,460
start making some money so I can pay
that guy back there so yeah I just got a

880
01:07:53,819 --> 01:07:59,819
two more if the sign is removed because
it is abandoned

881
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:03,480
what's the requirement for them to put
it back in or

882
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,839
so my understanding is the owner would
like to use that to advertise the food

883
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,839
truck Court Just for information it
wouldn't be used for the Moose but if

884
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:13,740
they wanted to
um to uh

885
01:08:11,579 --> 01:08:16,679
yeah to put in the sign they would need
to first get approval from the

886
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:19,500
development Review Committee which is of
course the subcommittee of the Planning

887
01:08:18,060 --> 01:08:22,920
Commission and then they would need a
building permit for that yeah and but if

888
01:08:21,540 --> 01:08:26,219
it got abandoned they would just have to
go through that again

889
01:08:24,140 --> 01:08:30,359
right they would need to remove this
sign and then they could start over it

890
01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:33,719
with a more compliant sign great and the
only last one is how long were you guys

891
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:37,980
in the last location
now uh what was the question how long

892
01:08:35,699 --> 01:08:40,859
were you in the last location
um

893
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:46,080
in 1980 they were right across the
street but then shortly thereafter they

894
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:51,239
moved over so 81-82 cool and and on
science I told Katie we really don't

895
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:55,739
plan on a sign right now because we're
not really advertising for the public to

896
01:08:53,100 --> 01:09:00,480
come in and anybody that gets on the on
the Moose site they can see where the

897
01:08:58,140 --> 01:09:04,279
address is and then they show up yeah
great thank you that's all I had

898
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:11,520
any additional questions
with that this is a public comment I

899
01:09:09,779 --> 01:09:15,679
will open it up for public comment is
there anybody that would like to speak

900
01:09:13,020 --> 01:09:15,679
to this item

901
01:09:17,699 --> 01:09:24,299
Marcy anybody online no callers
seeing that I will close public comment

902
01:09:22,679 --> 01:09:30,299
and bring it back to the commission for
further discussion and or a motion

903
01:09:28,020 --> 01:09:33,960
commissioner
um on the discussion front I guess I was

904
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:37,319
on the DRC when this was reviewed and I
do support the use at this site I think

905
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:42,299
it makes a lot of sense there were a
number of details that we talked about

906
01:09:38,819 --> 01:09:46,739
at DRC many of which are addressed
tonight or have been addressed I think

907
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:50,759
I'm satisfied with those descriptions
and explanations to how the business

908
01:09:48,299 --> 01:09:55,279
will be run so I think it works and I I
certainly support bringing the sign into

909
01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:55,279
compliance

910
01:09:56,100 --> 01:10:03,420
commissioner Cooper rubies
no I'll let go that I think that again

911
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:08,340
that building's been there forever and
it needs a lot of TLC

912
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:13,020
um to get it to get it more respectable
and looking good and I'm happy to hear

913
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:15,840
uh somebody's gonna occupy it and take
care of it little surprise and I get the

914
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:19,140
theory why you're not going to put a
sign on there

915
01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:24,120
um I get it it's not a not intended for
public uh use it's more of a membership

916
01:10:22,020 --> 01:10:28,380
based use I've been in the Moose Lodge a
couple times as a guest

917
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:32,040
um just and so I'm just happy to hear
that um this this building's finally

918
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:36,780
going to be used for something I
hopefully long term so I would be in

919
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:40,620
complete support
commissioner Christensen

920
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,440
yeah I would Echo the comments of the
other Commissioners I'm also happy about

921
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:49,260
the commissary kitchen I think that
there is a large use for that in our

922
01:10:46,260 --> 01:10:53,460
town so I think that you'll that will be
a benefit to have that ability and I I'm

923
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,780
glad that the Moose Lodge has found a
new home so thank you

924
01:10:57,239 --> 01:11:03,600
commissioner Conley
yeah I think this is a good use I would

925
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:07,560
support it
um with regard to the sign it seems to

926
01:11:05,580 --> 01:11:13,860
me that the Moose Lodge isn't interested
in the sign if it becomes abandoned then

927
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:18,300
it seems like the food court is or the
food trucks would be the interested

928
01:11:15,540 --> 01:11:22,080
party and it would be them that would
come forward with a sign propose what a

929
01:11:20,940 --> 01:11:26,179
future day
so if I I would support this

930
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:34,140
commissioner Marlon yep I I support this
it's be nice to get someone in there

931
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:38,340
so with all that support is there a
motion this evening sure

932
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:42,420
uh I would make a motion I would make
move the Planning Commission approve

933
01:11:39,659 --> 01:11:49,440
conditional use permit 22-20 permitting
private meeting facility 635 28th Street

934
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:56,040
with the additions of conditions 15 and
16 that were outlined by staff

935
01:11:52,860 --> 01:12:00,600
I have a motion there's no second then
I have a motion by commissioner kogler

936
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:03,739
in a second by commissioner Christensen
any further comment

937
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:12,480
roll call please commissioner kogler aye
commissioner Christensen aye Mr Connolly

938
01:12:10,260 --> 01:12:19,520
aye commissioner Marlow aye commissioner
cover rubius aye chairperson Neal

939
01:12:15,420 --> 01:12:19,520
aye motion passes 6-0

940
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:26,280
for the next item
um I work for the general contractor

941
01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:30,659
that is working with the um
Hope Family wines to build this project

942
01:12:28,739 --> 01:12:38,400
so I will have to step down from this
project and put to work our newly minted

943
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:41,780
Vice chair so don't forget to come get
me why thank you so much

944
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:50,000
okay well I guess we'll uh
we'll hear the presentation from staff

945
01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:05,219
yes Mr chairman members of the
commission this is the Triana Winery

946
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:10,739
Expansion Project uh it's at 42 82nd
winway so this is out

947
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:15,360
uh on Dry Creek Road off of Dry Creek
Road so this would be east of Airport

948
01:13:13,260 --> 01:13:21,480
Road at Dry Creek Road and North side of
Dry Creek Second Wind way is a street

949
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:26,880
off of that looking at the location map
on the screen so this is second one way

950
01:13:24,540 --> 01:13:33,960
it's kind of the entrance to this
existing facility here

951
01:13:30,380 --> 01:13:38,699
and what we're talking about tonight is
an expansion of the Triana Winery

952
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:44,699
project which would then go out into
this area here so that's kind of the

953
01:13:41,820 --> 01:13:47,239
project Site Area that we're looking at
this evening

954
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:57,120
so this is a tracked map that uh kind of
re-oriented and subdivided a few

955
01:13:54,780 --> 01:14:02,580
additional Parcels out that the city was
involved with at the airport these are

956
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:07,320
airport lease sites so Triana Winery
leases has a long-term lease with the uh

957
01:14:05,699 --> 01:14:12,719
with the airport with the city through
the airport of these properties so

958
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:18,440
they've expanded their lease to get
additional properties to accommodate

959
01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:18,440
this expansion area

960
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:28,320
in this photo here you can kind of see
where this says Cirrus Lane this was the

961
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:36,060
previous alignment of a paper Street not
built with the the new tracked map that

962
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:42,719
portion was abandoned and then Wing or
right way is what is the new Street with

963
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:48,420
the cul-de-sac that will be constructed
by the city uh I believe that that is

964
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:52,980
happening fairly soon with the
construction of that road would happen

965
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:56,840
so this property would be along Dry
Creek Road in an a long right way

966
01:14:57,659 --> 01:15:05,640
and then just the site plan here's the
existing facility there's some existing

967
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:11,060
tanks here but then this new facility
happens on these gray and dark area

968
01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:11,060
buildings

969
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:18,739
this is more of a specific site plan for
the expansion area

970
01:15:20,820 --> 01:15:30,300
so this building here on the right is
the case goods building and some

971
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:37,800
Administration area the building in the
center here is where the bottling or I'm

972
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:43,020
sorry the uh Barrel storage is law as
well as additional Bearer storage and I

973
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:45,860
believe there's a bottling component in
this area here

974
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:56,580
this is a landscape plan for the project
the photo above kind of shows the

975
01:15:54,659 --> 01:16:02,179
existing landscaping that's been done
along Dry Creek Road the intent is that

976
01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:08,040
that
Landscaping palette would continue

977
01:16:04,140 --> 01:16:13,920
across Dry Creek Road and then turn up
in the long right way here and then

978
01:16:11,460 --> 01:16:21,719
provide the landscape set back along
with the parking lot trees I believe the

979
01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:26,340
at the at the DRC meeting Mr hope
indicated that they were doing some work

980
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:31,260
to that existing landscape area and had
some other ideas for what was happening

981
01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:35,880
so maybe we can have him explain and
provide us of what they've been working

982
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:40,159
on and what uh if there's any changes
proposed from this plan here

983
01:16:41,340 --> 01:16:45,739
there's another picture of that area

984
01:16:46,380 --> 01:16:53,340
conditions of approval has been added to
make sure that the landscape comes all

985
01:16:51,179 --> 01:16:57,179
the way down and is planted all the way
down to the edge of the curb along here

986
01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:00,600
so that's a condition of approval that
was added

987
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:07,500
the other condition related to
Landscaping that was added was uh

988
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:12,480
to a landscape across the back the
zoning ordinance requires Frontage

989
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:18,420
Landscaping along streets but also a
minimum of three feet landscape along

990
01:17:14,460 --> 01:17:20,600
the interior edges so that's proposed as
well

991
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:30,300
this we've been working the planning
Department's been working with uh

992
01:17:27,420 --> 01:17:34,920
with the Hope Family quite some time on
this project uh early on there were some

993
01:17:33,420 --> 01:17:42,060
discussions of some much taller
buildings this this area of the city is

994
01:17:38,940 --> 01:17:46,679
in the airport Zone we don't have
specific development standards in the

995
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:51,120
airport Zone that say here's the max
height or here's the

996
01:17:48,620 --> 01:17:58,320
specific requirement for setbacks or
those kind of things we typically

997
01:17:54,440 --> 01:18:05,540
use whether it's the C3 zone or the
planned industrial Zone as a you know

998
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:09,980
kind of a feeler gauge for the the
standards that we would do in the

999
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,980
airport Zone

1000
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:17,100
what we worked with the applicants on
was coming up with a 58-foot ridge

1001
01:18:14,340 --> 01:18:24,120
height so the maximum height is 58 feet
as it comes down to the edges it's it's

1002
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:30,900
shorter than that uh 50 feet is the max
height in the planned industrial Zone

1003
01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:37,800
the PM Zone which is uh the wisteria and
Germain those types of streets or in the

1004
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:43,679
C3 zone is 50 foot is the max 58 feet
here is being proposed it seems

1005
01:18:39,540 --> 01:18:49,400
reasonable for this area and it as I
mentioned the airport Zone would allow

1006
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:49,400
up to 58 feet here

1007
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:59,159
here's some exterior elevations again
staff work to get with the applicants

1008
01:18:55,020 --> 01:19:03,540
with the pulse and Associates to uh to
come up with these elevations I think

1009
01:19:01,860 --> 01:19:10,620
some of the colors some of the windows
are even added since it was at DRC

1010
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:16,440
the last time but in but in general
coming up with these improvements to

1011
01:19:12,900 --> 01:19:22,440
these facade areas helped out and staff
is able to to recommend and support this

1012
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:25,460
elevations on these
proposed buildings

1013
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:35,520
colors and materials The Core 10 the
metal

1014
01:19:32,179 --> 01:19:41,760
is what's being proposed the paint
colors are shown here

1015
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:47,040
I think the applicant along with the the
architect can kind of get into that a

1016
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:53,159
little more on on their discussion
uh here's some prospective views just

1017
01:19:49,860 --> 01:19:58,760
kind of showing that that interior that
interior travel way there the the

1018
01:19:55,380 --> 01:19:58,760
circulation around the site

1019
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:06,960
and these are looking if you're standing
in Dry Creek Road kind of looking toward

1020
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:10,800
the East for the project for this
picture on the left and then if you were

1021
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:16,020
standing on the east side of the project
looking back towards the West this is

1022
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:18,620
that uh West corner there or the east
corner there

1023
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:26,840
you require a mitigated negative
declaration that was circulated for this

1024
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:33,239
project
we did receive three letters from

1025
01:20:30,540 --> 01:20:39,900
agencies as part of that circulation of
the the mitigated negative declaration

1026
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:44,600
one letter was from the slow County Air
Pollution Control District this project

1027
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:50,100
had an air quality study
and there were some questions related to

1028
01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:54,060
that study and some of the information
within there

1029
01:20:52,080 --> 01:21:00,420
uh when I got the Air Pollution Control
District letter I provided it to the

1030
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:05,640
Triana air quality consultant who was
able to answer the questions by the Air

1031
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:10,860
Pollution Control District we sent that
letter back to them but there was no

1032
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:16,380
proposal for any additional or changes
to any of the mitigation measures

1033
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:19,980
we received a the second letter we
received was from the Department of

1034
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:25,199
Conservation this was more of just a
report that they checked the site for

1035
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:29,400
any abandoned oil or gas Wells that's
what they look for and the letter

1036
01:21:27,179 --> 01:21:34,820
indicated that there was none found in
the project area but that's the letter

1037
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:39,420
we received there was no
additional information required as a

1038
01:21:37,739 --> 01:21:43,380
result of that letter
and then

1039
01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:48,300
about 10 minutes prior to the meeting we
received the letter from Caltrans and if

1040
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:53,760
you recall we did quite a bit of work on
the uh Stravinsky and DOW project and

1041
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:59,520
the traffic study that was done there
and along with uh you know this project

1042
01:21:57,179 --> 01:22:05,880
was being reviewed at the same time so
all those uh impacts on Airport Road on

1043
01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:11,840
Dry Creek all of those were looked at
with both that Stravinsky Dow project

1044
01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:16,560
but also this project so we were able to
narrow down and work with Caltrans on

1045
01:22:14,580 --> 01:22:22,620
the mitigation measures for the
Stravinsky Dow project which we were

1046
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:30,480
then able to apply to this project so
that Airport Road and the the

1047
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:35,940
right turns only and cutting off the
left turns going eastbound on Highway 46

1048
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:40,980
from airport road is uh the same
mitigation that was required for this

1049
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:45,739
project and the Caltrans letter just
verified that they had no other

1050
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:50,100
proposals for changes or any different
concerns with this project

1051
01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:56,760
foreign
so before you this evening is is the

1052
01:22:53,580 --> 01:23:02,520
options the first option is to prove the
mitigated negative declaration to

1053
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:06,600
approve the development plan allowing
the expansion of the project or option

1054
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:11,820
two could be recommend approval of the
project with some modifications that the

1055
01:23:09,780 --> 01:23:16,440
Planning Commission may come up with or
three is to refer the project back to

1056
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:24,000
staff for additional analysis or four is
to not deny the project giving specific

1057
01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:28,080
findings on reasons for denial
and with that I'd be happy to answer any

1058
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:32,100
questions
okay uh let's start with commissioner

1059
01:23:30,540 --> 01:23:34,920
Marlow do you have any questions for
staff or the well you know what let's do

1060
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,860
this
um does the applicant want to come up

1061
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:42,239
and talk first maybe that's probably the
better thing to do apologize

1062
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:46,260
commissioner come on up and and give us
your

1063
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:51,480
commentary uh can you announce who you
are yes thank you so I'm Austin hope

1064
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:56,400
president of Hope Family wines and as
we're speaking about Triana

1065
01:23:53,480 --> 01:24:01,320
first off I want to thank the city staff
they've been very helpful in helping us

1066
01:23:59,699 --> 01:24:07,380
navigate the waters is obviously a large
large project large Edition and uh

1067
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:10,020
they have been supporters of us and and
have

1068
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:13,199
helped us navigate the water which is
very very appreciative and I appreciate

1069
01:24:11,699 --> 01:24:16,620
the the commission as well because
there's been obviously this has been

1070
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:20,520
back and forth a few different times and
everybody's kind of got a piece of it

1071
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:23,880
and and helped uh
mysterious in the right direction and uh

1072
01:24:22,380 --> 01:24:28,020
what's possible and what's not possible
so anyways

1073
01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:34,500
um
first off is pretty wild this is uh my

1074
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:38,300
family's been here since 1978 and you
know we we never dreamed that we'd have

1075
01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:43,920
success and
have so many families working with us

1076
01:24:41,699 --> 01:24:47,460
and and growing and and see this
community Thrive like it is it's it's

1077
01:24:45,719 --> 01:24:51,480
just uh it's a blessing for everybody
quite honestly and

1078
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:55,380
um we're thrilled about it so the main
the main reason for this is uh you know

1079
01:24:53,880 --> 01:25:00,060
we've been a we've been attendant of the
cities for 27 years out there and it

1080
01:24:57,659 --> 01:25:04,140
added on as we've gone along and this
one really is to

1081
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:06,480
bring back everything that we've we've
accomplished and that have done over the

1082
01:25:05,580 --> 01:25:10,860
years
back to Paso

1083
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:13,980
um we've grown and you know we haven't
had money to do things we've had to

1084
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:18,719
Outsource and over the years and and
this one really is just to bring

1085
01:25:15,420 --> 01:25:24,000
everything back home so currently uh we
ship a lot of wine out of the area that

1086
01:25:21,719 --> 01:25:30,659
goes to another facility up north
and it's bottled up there shipped from

1087
01:25:26,460 --> 01:25:33,600
there so this is really we're we're very
serious about our quality of how we do

1088
01:25:32,219 --> 01:25:37,199
things and it's bothered us for the
years of being able to ship things off

1089
01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:42,840
and we're flying to a point where
we're ready to take the region and and

1090
01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:45,900
and and and go for this this size to be
able to bring everything home so that's

1091
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:50,640
that's the big thing is if for us it's
bringing everything home

1092
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:56,100
um with that said that it's a positive
not only for us for our community but

1093
01:25:52,739 --> 01:25:59,460
for for infrastructure we
you know send a tremendous amount of

1094
01:25:58,020 --> 01:26:04,380
trucks that's wear and tear on the
highways and and traffic and all that so

1095
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:08,520
this keeps it all in one spot so we can
bottle all our wine there we can

1096
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:12,600
distribute from there rather than having
to go up and back up and back and and

1097
01:26:10,260 --> 01:26:16,500
multiple times so it's really it's a I
think it's a win-win for everybody

1098
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:21,120
honestly and I think it's going to help
help with traffic too within that

1099
01:26:18,420 --> 01:26:24,600
particular area and you know being
pushed into having to put what they call

1100
01:26:23,159 --> 01:26:29,699
a pork chop which I never knew what type
of pork chop was until until I learned

1101
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:34,380
it said can't turn left so that was uh
that was a new word for me but uh I'm

1102
01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:38,100
actually very pleased with that because
it is very dangerous uh that that

1103
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:41,040
left-hand touring Lane so I think it's a
positive thing that Caltrans and the

1104
01:26:39,780 --> 01:26:46,139
city have worked on to bring that back
to us and we're more than happy to

1105
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:50,219
to get that going in the works
um you know outside of that I think it's

1106
01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:54,120
uh we'll leave it to you guys but you
know I think it's a we're in a wonderful

1107
01:26:51,780 --> 01:26:58,860
place Castle's grown and it's uh we're a
fairly good sized company that

1108
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:03,239
uh employs people all over the country
in the world we're in uh 30 30 countries

1109
01:27:01,620 --> 01:27:06,360
now and been spreading the Passover
message and so it's just it's exciting

1110
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:09,480
to be part of the community we love this
area and you know we've been here our

1111
01:27:07,739 --> 01:27:13,199
whole lives and want to continue to grow
it and

1112
01:27:10,739 --> 01:27:18,300
in the right way and and call this home
so welcome any questions and I've got JC

1113
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:21,360
which our director of wine making with
us if you've got questions in regards to

1114
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,480
any of those types of things then we've
got Andres from

1115
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:29,400
Polson associate which is doing our
architect and so with that we'll put it

1116
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:32,520
back to you guys the whole landscape I'm
sorry I will touch on landscape but some

1117
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:36,719
people know me some people don't but I'm
a landscape freak so we've uh since that

1118
01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:41,580
last photo you've seen I've already put
in uh like 145 different trees more

1119
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:45,420
trees that you'll you'll see once we
start spring gets going and so you can

1120
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:49,860
rest assured you don't have to worry
about landscape I'm I'm goofy about

1121
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:54,719
landscape I I overdo landscape so that's
uh and we are the uh where Darren

1122
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:58,260
pointed out that we'd already talked
about bringing it down to the road

1123
01:27:55,800 --> 01:28:01,560
that's in the words uh we're ordering
all the plants we finally picked those

1124
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:07,620
out so those will come right down
probably like three foot off the off the

1125
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:10,679
road the minimum is there and we just
got another shipment of trees the other

1126
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:15,420
day so it's gonna be it'll be pretty
it'll be overdone uh way past the

1127
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:20,540
expectations of of what you might ask
and uh

1128
01:28:17,580 --> 01:28:20,540
yeah they miss anything

1129
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:31,920
oh in the existing build as you did see
uh you saw our new renderings with a

1130
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:35,940
the different uh
uh architectural design so we're going

1131
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:39,480
to bring that all the way around so if
you go back a couple slides but do they

1132
01:28:38,340 --> 01:28:41,840
have a picture of the existing on there
I can't remember

1133
01:28:42,199 --> 01:28:47,820
I don't think it'd be there but if
you've been out there before they're

1134
01:28:46,020 --> 01:28:52,560
just they're they're still buildings
there's there's nothing other than the

1135
01:28:49,260 --> 01:28:56,280
landscape around it so we're gonna take
these type of same things and put it to

1136
01:28:55,020 --> 01:28:59,219
the existing building so it ties
together and it kind of beautifies the

1137
01:28:57,719 --> 01:29:02,460
whole
neighborhood if you will

1138
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:06,780
so maybe that's just kind of the things
we do I mean right it's a visually

1139
01:29:05,159 --> 01:29:10,500
architecturally
I love those types of things so we want

1140
01:29:08,940 --> 01:29:14,159
we're proud of this place and we're
proud of where we live and proud of

1141
01:29:11,820 --> 01:29:19,920
where we we make wine so we want to we
want it to look well all right thank you

1142
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:26,100
um okay let's go to uh questions from
Commissioners Dr Mr Marla yeah I just

1143
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:30,000
just a couple uh I'm being an aviator
there Airport Community is really

1144
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:34,500
important to me and and I like to see
that fact that you're going to bring up

1145
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:41,159
you know something like this I guess my
question is with the museum down the

1146
01:29:37,139 --> 01:29:46,440
road and the estimated you know 380 new
vehicle trips like is there a consider I

1147
01:29:43,860 --> 01:29:49,800
mean obviously caltransit a study but do
we feel that there's going to be an

1148
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:53,760
impact to the museum down there or I
mean it might be an impact in a good way

1149
01:29:51,179 --> 01:29:58,500
I just uh without getting too far into
it has that been looked at or for the

1150
01:29:56,100 --> 01:30:02,460
traffic for the museum down there
I'll let JCS for that so yeah we have

1151
01:30:01,139 --> 01:30:08,940
been talking with them on the traffic
study and a lot of it uh that was kind

1152
01:30:06,060 --> 01:30:13,320
of posted on what they felt was the the
traffic so a lot of this is as Austin

1153
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:17,400
alluded to before we talked about the
vehicles in and out so right now we're

1154
01:30:15,540 --> 01:30:22,020
larger than what we are there so we have
to send wine out to store bring it back

1155
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:25,620
for process send it out again for
bottling so what we'll do now is we'll

1156
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:29,520
bring in the grapes everything stays
there for a year and a half two years

1157
01:30:26,820 --> 01:30:34,320
prior to it being finished and shipped
out so we're eliminating basically three

1158
01:30:31,739 --> 01:30:38,820
of the truck trips to to do the one trip
at the end okay

1159
01:30:35,940 --> 01:30:43,560
um and so in a lot of our staffing so
this helps us uh put in a lot more as

1160
01:30:42,300 --> 01:30:48,300
you see the height of the buildings
there's a reason for that we're bringing

1161
01:30:45,719 --> 01:30:53,940
in safety to put in a racking system so
it's earthquake safety it's safety for

1162
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:58,199
our personnel and it also brings in uh
that we don't have to have so many

1163
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:02,520
people there to move all the barrels so
we're bringing in automation to help

1164
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:06,780
stack them uh it works with the case
goods as well so being a case system

1165
01:31:04,679 --> 01:31:10,860
that will stop there to bring more
automation so right now we have roughly

1166
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:13,920
41 employees there uh when we're
finished it'll be around 39.

1167
01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:19,320
um
so a lot of that it's going to be using

1168
01:31:16,380 --> 01:31:26,820
this different equipment so in terms of
uh the area we should have less vehicle

1169
01:31:23,699 --> 01:31:30,179
traffic uh than a lot of those things
um as the size grows it's going to be

1170
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:34,980
you know you're going to have more
because of more case goods but it's

1171
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:41,219
going to be a minimal amount uh in the
difference so they don't foresee any

1172
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:46,280
impact in terms of them we do not do uh
tastings or wine cells out of the site

1173
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:52,739
gonna be a minimum so if a distributor
that comes to town

1174
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:57,179
um but it wouldn't be anything that
you'd see it'd be maybe one or two a

1175
01:31:54,960 --> 01:32:02,280
month at the most but it's not uh Public
tours so it's only a Private Industry

1176
01:32:00,540 --> 01:32:06,659
yeah the only other question I have is
when you guys plan on breaking ground

1177
01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:11,820
and what's the anticipated duration of
the project

1178
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:18,659
uh so the phase one portion uh would be
breaking ground by hopefully

1179
01:32:15,739 --> 01:32:24,840
by mid-april
um and anticipation would be uh 300 to

1180
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:28,739
400 Days okay and it's so it's phased
and what phase two would be the

1181
01:32:26,340 --> 01:32:35,460
renovations of the existing buildings or
no that would be starting now okay phase

1182
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:41,659
one would be the case room and the uh
covering on the existing uh take pad

1183
01:32:37,739 --> 01:32:41,659
okay great thanks

1184
01:32:43,139 --> 01:32:48,480
commissioner Conley
questions for staff or the applicant

1185
01:32:46,679 --> 01:32:53,940
yeah thank you
um with regards to the mitigation

1186
01:32:50,219 --> 01:33:00,600
measures uh there is a mention about uh
they're set forth in the uh

1187
01:32:57,239 --> 01:33:06,420
mitigation monitoring and Reporting plan
is that included in this package

1188
01:33:03,139 --> 01:33:08,760
mitigation measures for I'm sorry I
didn't hardly hear what your question

1189
01:33:07,620 --> 01:33:15,420
was
well uh the draft resolution speaks of

1190
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:21,480
mitigation measures
and uh just wanted to know it says there

1191
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:25,920
imposed on the project through the
adoption of a mitigation monitoring and

1192
01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:30,360
Reporting plan
so yes that's part of that resolution a

1193
01:33:28,380 --> 01:33:36,179
for the Medicaid negative declaration
the mitigation and monitoring plan is

1194
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:39,380
attached to that resolution
and uh

1195
01:33:39,900 --> 01:33:48,300
so that's in here with regard to traffic
impacts and then secondarily all of

1196
01:33:45,780 --> 01:33:53,040
those mitigation measures are also then
put in the conditions of approval so

1197
01:33:51,060 --> 01:33:59,219
they're twice they're in both
resolutions so I assume that uh that's

1198
01:33:56,460 --> 01:34:06,239
part of the overall project to bring
Airport Road over Crossing in and all of

1199
01:34:02,940 --> 01:34:11,540
all of the master plans for circulation
area element of this area or correct so

1200
01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:17,480
the the traffic
consultant uh

1201
01:34:14,340 --> 01:34:21,120
Central Coast traffic
Consultants Joe Fernandez and his

1202
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:27,540
company
are is the only traffic consultant the

1203
01:34:23,580 --> 01:34:35,460
city has but they've looked a lot in
this airport area in this Highway 46

1204
01:34:30,659 --> 01:34:39,719
East Corridor on ways regionally and for
this part of the city to look at

1205
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:44,580
different ways to to help with the
traffic because we know that Highway 46

1206
01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:48,840
and trying to get uh intersections and
things there are not the best so I don't

1207
01:34:46,260 --> 01:34:52,260
know if there's enough impact here for
them to contribute to that towards that

1208
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:57,780
that was kind of my question with the
increase in size and maybe increase in

1209
01:34:55,260 --> 01:35:03,360
vehicle traffic so they're they're going
to be responsible for the the right turn

1210
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:07,860
along with uh some of the other projects
but they'll also pay traffic impact fees

1211
01:35:05,580 --> 01:35:13,400
that will ultimately that will
ultimately work towards future bigger

1212
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,400
projects

1213
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:21,739
pretty much answers my question there
but uh just out of curiosity how many

1214
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:21,739
jobs will this uh

1215
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:30,960
um we're growing all the time I mean
it's uh we hired two people yesterday

1216
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:34,679
it's it's it continues I mean I can't
give you a real number but we're not

1217
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:39,000
we're not uh we're not shy on hiring
people so this is this is a good thing

1218
01:35:36,179 --> 01:35:43,739
if it brings uh employment within this
yes yes no we're not we're not uh

1219
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:49,620
looking to be less less employees we're
looking to grow the community is there

1220
01:35:46,620 --> 01:35:54,000
uh is the access hat or is there access
at Jardine Road for this project I know

1221
01:35:52,139 --> 01:36:01,560
it's kind of equal distance between
airport Jardine do you see any

1222
01:35:57,480 --> 01:36:08,639
operations using Jardine entrance uh
Jardine entrance no they are potentially

1223
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:12,060
going leaving to get 46. yeah but uh I
don't see him using Jardine no okay I

1224
01:36:10,739 --> 01:36:15,659
mean the only thing that would be on
Jardine would be if there's a Vineyard

1225
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:21,600
out there that brings in grapes but well
no I don't see any additional

1226
01:36:18,540 --> 01:36:26,239
and uh now I've noticed there's a uh
drainage

1227
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,239
foreign

1228
01:36:28,460 --> 01:36:36,780
expanding of some retention basins as a
result of the drainage proposal

1229
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:42,060
is there going to be Landscaping within
that those basins or just um we

1230
01:36:40,260 --> 01:36:47,400
certainly could put some trees around it
but it's definitely it's on the interior

1231
01:36:43,860 --> 01:36:52,320
side so it's not exposed to anything it
would be on the you know the airport

1232
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:58,320
taxiways that side so it wasn't brought
up but again I love Landscapes I mean

1233
01:36:54,659 --> 01:37:00,900
yeah well yeah to the extent that it
still functions yeah that'd be great

1234
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:05,880
yeah
okay that's it thank you okay

1235
01:37:03,020 --> 01:37:09,719
commissioner kogler
yes thank you I have a couple of

1236
01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:12,840
questions for David Athie city engineer
I know he was eager to get up there a

1237
01:37:11,219 --> 01:37:19,440
minute ago
um first of those being the tdmp plan is

1238
01:37:16,679 --> 01:37:23,940
that approved by staff
uh the travel demand yes David athy city

1239
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:30,780
engineer the travel the van management
plan is approved by staff uh it has to

1240
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:36,360
meet the conditions that are in the for
the project which are the hours of

1241
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:40,860
operation and using uh Airport Road
you know are two of the different

1242
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:44,400
conditions in there right and that was
what kind of prompted the question that

1243
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:52,139
it is that the edict is you use Airport
Road how does that TD I used to call him

1244
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:55,380
tmps tdmp get translated down stream to
the truck drivers and everybody else so

1245
01:37:53,699 --> 01:38:00,060
that they know what the rules of the
game are that's a great question I think

1246
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:04,500
I let the applicant um answer that how
they interact with their drivers and

1247
01:38:02,460 --> 01:38:06,560
contracts and stuff
yeah

1248
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:13,739
so our shipping's by appointment only
and so I think that's part of the

1249
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:18,780
question is is when we're shipping out
um and the time of use

1250
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:21,960
but all our shippings uh by appointments
so that's where we talked about

1251
01:38:19,980 --> 01:38:25,380
minimizing those during those times of
use

1252
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:30,540
um also majority of all our shipment
goes north so a lot of it doesn't even

1253
01:38:27,980 --> 01:38:35,699
go down the highway
um it'll go directly north on Airport

1254
01:38:32,219 --> 01:38:38,239
Road and go back to 101 through the San
Miguel area

1255
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:44,940
okay thank you
uh David the

1256
01:38:43,260 --> 01:38:50,159
there's a discussion in the traffic
report about the extension of the

1257
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:55,860
acceleration Lane and there are some
numbers in there 625 feet I think was

1258
01:38:53,520 --> 01:39:01,980
recommended or is the existing perhaps
for the Airport Road intersection with

1259
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:06,900
46. there's commentary about expanding
that between 960 to 1200 feet depending

1260
01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:10,739
on the desired speed to get the trucks
to integrate in with traffic there's

1261
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:14,460
reference in here to extension of that
but it doesn't Peg that to a number how

1262
01:39:12,659 --> 01:39:20,960
long will that extension that's going to
be added be when it's complete

1263
01:39:16,860 --> 01:39:20,960
so that that actually uh

1264
01:39:21,179 --> 01:39:27,900
bad idea
or that potential mitigation is not

1265
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:33,000
favored by Caltrans
uh in the most recent letter with

1266
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:39,000
Stravinsky Dao and now with Triana uh
their preferred alternative is the world

1267
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:44,820
bridge for getting folks to Golden Hill
Road in the interim

1268
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:50,040
they'd prefer that the left out so the
southbound left to eastbound 46 be

1269
01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:56,159
closed
and that traffic be sent to Golden Hill

1270
01:39:53,340 --> 01:40:00,980
Road passenger type Vehicles so pickup
trucks and cars would do a u-turn at

1271
01:39:59,219 --> 01:40:06,060
Golden Hill which is currently allowed
uh larger Vehicles would go up through

1272
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:11,219
the city uh to the Golden Hill round
about and either down Union Road or back

1273
01:40:08,820 --> 01:40:15,840
to Golden Hill that's the interim
condition until on the where aware of

1274
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:20,040
bridge is built
um

1275
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:25,980
you know we the the uh the conditions
are set up so that that traffic itself

1276
01:40:22,620 --> 01:40:32,040
won't be on either City surface streets
or Highway 46 at peak hours

1277
01:40:29,580 --> 01:40:37,440
uh so that traffic won't be interfering
with local city traffic uh and which is

1278
01:40:35,159 --> 01:40:41,760
also part of the tdmp why it's important
that these things all be tied together

1279
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:46,980
so the the left the acceleration Lane
has been abandoned that that solution is

1280
01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:52,080
not favored by Caltrans and so what what
we've conditioned the project to do is

1281
01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:56,280
comply with what the recommendations are
from Caltrans okay which is part of

1282
01:40:54,540 --> 01:41:02,639
which is number two in the three
different options which is uh you know

1283
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:08,159
do a u-turn on 46. and refresh my memory
when will we attend the ribbon cutting

1284
01:41:04,440 --> 01:41:12,000
for the world bridge I I hope as soon as
possible uh it's currently under design

1285
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:17,159
and has gone through environmental
review so that project is moving forward

1286
01:41:14,100 --> 01:41:21,179
we anticipate with the landing and the
other projects and the and the uh we

1287
01:41:19,620 --> 01:41:24,920
talked about the
um

1288
01:41:22,020 --> 01:41:24,920
uh

1289
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:32,460
the uh the traffic impact fee sorry I
was having a senior moment there

1290
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:36,780
um the traffic impact fees paid we're
currently putting the funds together to

1291
01:41:34,139 --> 01:41:43,020
build that bridge so a few years maybe
yes anticipate a few years okay 25 26 I

1292
01:41:40,739 --> 01:41:47,639
think is the Target right now okay all
right and then finally there's again the

1293
01:41:45,900 --> 01:41:51,360
traffic report and this may have been
another element that's that's not going

1294
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:55,980
to be ultimately recommendation if
there's discussion of the bike usage on

1295
01:41:54,659 --> 01:42:00,840
Dry Creek Road
and the potential to I don't have the

1296
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:04,560
languages exactly some additional width
or something is there any change to

1297
01:42:02,460 --> 01:42:09,900
accommodate bikes either as a part of
this or in the future on Dry Creek

1298
01:42:06,540 --> 01:42:15,360
uh now with this project uh possibly in
the future right now Dry Creek Road is

1299
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:19,800
seen as a class 3 Bikeway which is on
you know basically signed but not

1300
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:23,820
striped uh and there is no plans to
increase the width of Dry Creek if it's

1301
01:42:22,139 --> 01:42:26,940
done
yeah I think I was reacting to a

1302
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:30,780
reference that the city's arterial
standards are actually for by class two

1303
01:42:28,860 --> 01:42:35,040
even though other plants they class
through

1304
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:39,719
the arterial standards do have that uh
the city made the city council made a

1305
01:42:37,500 --> 01:42:43,679
decision to build Dry Creek in its
current configuration okay thank you

1306
01:42:42,119 --> 01:42:46,880
that's all the questions I have thank
you Mr chair

1307
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:53,940
all right commissioner co-rubias don't
go too far David

1308
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:58,380
I do have a question for awesome but
I'll ask you first David so

1309
01:42:56,639 --> 01:43:04,020
commissioner kogler nailed it when he
asked about the where were Bridge

1310
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:09,239
2526-ish we have other projects out on
Airport Road that are future development

1311
01:43:06,420 --> 01:43:15,060
some may even get approved prior to that
I'm thinking summer months

1312
01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:21,480
Ravine water park packed
you got now this Winery you've got

1313
01:43:17,820 --> 01:43:25,800
Stravinsky Dao I mean the plan that
Caltrans come up with is obviously make

1314
01:43:24,179 --> 01:43:30,840
that right we talked about this during
Stravinsky

1315
01:43:28,380 --> 01:43:36,600
how are we going to monitor and keep
those trucks from making u-turns

1316
01:43:33,480 --> 01:43:40,980
and and not trying to make a left when
they're geared to make a right I mean

1317
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:44,820
it's impossible to monitor that yes I
mean what's going to prevent these guys

1318
01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:50,880
I mean is that whole intersection going
to be redone re revised other than just

1319
01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:56,760
a speed up Lane
I just sound clear you're referring to

1320
01:43:52,980 --> 01:44:01,679
airport yeah yes uh so as someone
mentioned earlier uh

1321
01:43:59,340 --> 01:44:06,780
the construction of it's a raised median
Island but it's called the pork chop

1322
01:44:03,659 --> 01:44:10,199
it's kind of the art term of art uh so
that will be in place there's actually

1323
01:44:08,219 --> 01:44:17,580
one similar to it you can look at right
now at uh sensorio so they have they

1324
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:22,380
Caltrans did not allow them to have a
left turn out at sensorio heading

1325
01:44:19,739 --> 01:44:27,659
towards Fresno so that median is in
place right now it's raised it's about

1326
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:33,000
six inch curb it forces traffic to go
right you could I mean you could go

1327
01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:37,199
around that pork chop
and you could get a ticket for that

1328
01:44:35,460 --> 01:44:41,960
because the right terms are prohibited
at that or excuse me if the left turns

1329
01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:46,639
are prohibited uh at that intersection
so the physical Improvement itself

1330
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:52,260
raised median Island
channelizes folks to turn right could

1331
01:44:49,619 --> 01:44:58,619
they go around that and turn left uh yes
but typically we don't have a problem

1332
01:44:54,239 --> 01:45:02,219
with compliance in that case the odds
the odd case you know could turn left

1333
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:07,020
there
but it is more difficult than than just

1334
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:10,800
you know it's not a straight it won't be
a straight shot anymore and still have

1335
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:14,540
that like way wide open Lane
yeah and I get this

1336
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:22,080
my concern is
we're building that roundabout for a

1337
01:45:20,219 --> 01:45:26,820
purpose of helping helping flow of
traffic and when we start diverting

1338
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:31,820
everybody that way
I mean I it's almost counterproductive

1339
01:45:29,100 --> 01:45:36,840
is what's going to occur at least until
25 26 if we're lucky right right so

1340
01:45:35,699 --> 01:45:41,040
that's kind of a little bit of the
concern is what are we doing there and

1341
01:45:38,940 --> 01:45:45,659
then you add in Barney Schwartz Park and
the vehicles coming from that direction

1342
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:51,300
um it's just to me it's concerning
that's it I I hear what you're saying I

1343
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:55,500
I think that um
so there are times of day like for all

1344
01:45:53,340 --> 01:45:59,580
these projects Stravinsky Dao and now
Triana they have time of day

1345
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:03,840
restrictions on the busy like Monday
through Friday Monday through Thursday

1346
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:07,560
and Friday and in the peak hour on
Sunday they have time of day

1347
01:46:05,699 --> 01:46:12,780
restrictions for travel those will
coincide with the busy hours on City

1348
01:46:09,719 --> 01:46:19,860
surface streets that's only for the
larger Vehicles like trucks like

1349
01:46:15,260 --> 01:46:25,619
full-size cargo type trucks or semis
those Vehicles will be the ones using

1350
01:46:22,980 --> 01:46:30,840
the roundabout
at the times that don't coincide

1351
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:34,739
or could you know rarely you know you
have a you have a tournament at Barney

1352
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:39,540
Schwartz and all the soccer folks are
leaving you know at one time those kind

1353
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:44,219
of clogs are going to happen no matter
what we do uh you know whether triana's

1354
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:47,880
trucks are there or Stravinsky Dallas
trucks are there you're gonna just have

1355
01:46:46,020 --> 01:46:51,239
you're gonna have a short-term impact at
that intersection

1356
01:46:49,679 --> 01:46:55,380
um so that's why we set it up time of
day restrictions to one not interfere

1357
01:46:53,159 --> 01:47:01,800
with the operations Caltrans facility
and in the short term not interfere with

1358
01:46:57,900 --> 01:47:06,920
the cities roundabout operations uh most
of the pickup trucks most of the Trap

1359
01:47:03,719 --> 01:47:15,000
the traffic will be passenger vehicles
uh pickup trucks and cars those can

1360
01:47:11,100 --> 01:47:21,420
still do a u-turn at Golden Hill Road
they don't need to go into the into the

1361
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:27,300
city to do a lot to do the U-turn so
we're only talking about the larger

1362
01:47:24,199 --> 01:47:31,560
Vehicles okay I appreciate it yeah thank
you David

1363
01:47:28,980 --> 01:47:34,380
Mr hope I have a question sir
um

1364
01:47:32,219 --> 01:47:38,340
just curious and and this maybe be a
learning thing maybe even staff our

1365
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:43,139
solar panels restricted out in that area
because of the airport Darren no they're

1366
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:47,219
not so just curious yes they're not
there aren't any solar panels proposed

1367
01:47:44,699 --> 01:47:51,719
in this project yes is that right well
we were putting in applications for it

1368
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:54,960
oh you are yes okay I was looking for
that and I and I must have missed it

1369
01:47:53,340 --> 01:47:59,460
then so there are certain solar panels
out there being proposed uh our company

1370
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:04,860
Bahama solar which has done a couple
projects for me in the valley is uh

1371
01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:07,699
is going to submit this week because as
everybody knows too they're you know

1372
01:48:06,179 --> 01:48:13,440
they're changing all the right things
right in any sense that's a whole other

1373
01:48:09,719 --> 01:48:17,520
rant we could go on but uh yes so it
will be solar okay perfect perfect well

1374
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:22,860
I was on DRC so I appreciate all the
changes you've made

1375
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:26,360
um since DRC so yeah that's it
okay

1376
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:26,360
um

1377
01:48:30,860 --> 01:48:37,739
is the existing building essentially Ash
Gray which is one of the colors in your

1378
01:48:35,159 --> 01:48:41,520
new palette they're very similar okay so
that as as you probably know they change

1379
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:44,340
all the time and so it's hard to
pinpoint everything exactly but there's

1380
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:47,639
not going to be major drastic
differences okay your computer

1381
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:50,880
illustrations are really helpful but it
had like a muted back leaf pattern over

1382
01:48:49,619 --> 01:48:55,500
a lot of that and I couldn't tell if it
was a light gray or dark gray but it all

1383
01:48:52,260 --> 01:48:58,920
Blends together yeah I feel it does okay
and then my other point would be it's

1384
01:48:57,480 --> 01:49:04,380
not really a question so much as a
request for staff this review is in the

1385
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:08,520
same circumstance as one we had a couple
of meetings ago in that the comment

1386
01:49:06,300 --> 01:49:12,719
period runs through today
and that clock kind of keeps going

1387
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:17,100
because any comments that are postmarked
today or prior to that would still be

1388
01:49:14,699 --> 01:49:20,520
valid a day or two or three from now I
would just ask staff as as we go through

1389
01:49:18,900 --> 01:49:24,239
other aspects of this just make sure the
rest of the solution language reflects

1390
01:49:22,619 --> 01:49:28,380
that as we did on that previous case
that the door isn't really close to

1391
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:31,860
comments but based on the information we
know as of tonight we will act on things

1392
01:49:30,179 --> 01:49:36,719
is that
and one thing to understand though is

1393
01:49:34,619 --> 01:49:41,880
previous projects may have been
recommendations to council so the period

1394
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:46,800
went beyond tonight so that was a
difference on Stravinsky Dao this

1395
01:49:44,699 --> 01:49:51,300
project has been noticed so that the
environmental document Ends Tonight

1396
01:49:48,900 --> 01:49:55,800
so regardless of a comment is postmarked
by noon today that comment is not found

1397
01:49:53,460 --> 01:49:59,340
valid we would have gotten them and they
would have been

1398
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:03,260
like the three letters we've provided
those to you

1399
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:07,020
okay all right thank you
any other Commissioners follow-up

1400
01:50:05,639 --> 01:50:10,320
questions
okay well

1401
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:14,699
um hand it to my other Commissioners
they asked and got answered several of

1402
01:50:12,420 --> 01:50:20,880
the questions they already had David I
had one follow-up question uh for you in

1403
01:50:17,639 --> 01:50:25,080
regards to Union in 46 are you planning
on putting the pork chop in that

1404
01:50:23,159 --> 01:50:29,460
situation too because I tell you what
people pulling out left from 46 trying

1405
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:33,780
to head back towards town it's just a
nightmare

1406
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:36,420
where Union comes into 46 Facing East
right there right

1407
01:50:35,639 --> 01:50:40,199
um
so right now there's two projects that

1408
01:50:38,340 --> 01:50:47,400
are conditioned to close that left out
one is the hotel on the the South kind

1409
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:52,260
of West corner of that kind of Y
intersection and the other is the water

1410
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:57,420
park neither project has moved forward
with their with their plans uh the hotel

1411
01:50:55,320 --> 01:51:02,820
is is a little further ahead than the
water park but uh

1412
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:05,940
I believe it's prior to final of the
hotel that they would have to close that

1413
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:10,860
left out
um and put in new signage directing

1414
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:14,280
people where to go if they want to go
back towards town okay I think I

1415
01:51:12,780 --> 01:51:17,219
remember that now thank you appreciate
it

1416
01:51:15,659 --> 01:51:21,480
um
I think that's it for my questions so um

1417
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:25,260
if the other Commissioners don't have
any other questions of Staff or the

1418
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:27,900
applicant then we'll move to public
comment

1419
01:51:26,219 --> 01:51:30,440
is there anyone that would like to
comment

1420
01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:38,880
if not do we have anybody on the phone
no callers okay

1421
01:51:35,699 --> 01:51:41,940
moving on to commissioner discussion so
I will start off with commissioner

1422
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:46,820
Marlow again
if you have some items you want to

1423
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:50,940
discuss I no no comment yeah
commissioner Conley

1424
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:56,760
I don't have any further
I think commissioner kogler I was on DRC

1425
01:51:55,139 --> 01:52:00,659
and was on the phone call with some of
the faces that I can now put names with

1426
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:04,739
and I think this is a great project I
think you've done a phenomenal job on

1427
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:08,460
the building and you profess to be
gung-ho and Landscaping and it's evident

1428
01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:11,760
with what's out there as you drive past
your existing facility it stands out

1429
01:52:10,139 --> 01:52:16,260
today and I can't wait to see what your
new facility does to tie into that so I

1430
01:52:13,739 --> 01:52:21,659
fully support the project
commissioner kovaruvius yep I was also

1431
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:24,659
on DRC as mentioned and uh I 100 support
the project I think you guys have done a

1432
01:52:23,159 --> 01:52:28,020
great job it's going to be a beautiful
facility

1433
01:52:26,340 --> 01:52:31,739
um just I think it's gonna be great in
fact uh I'm prepared to make a motion if

1434
01:52:30,060 --> 01:52:35,639
we're ready for that I just wanted to
comment that I would Echo your uh your

1435
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:41,460
thoughts
um it was a little unfair the photo of

1436
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:44,699
your Landscaping now but I have been out
there when it's really nice and I do

1437
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:47,699
appreciate that you take such value in
it because

1438
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:51,540
um ordinarily that stretch growing up
here in Paso has never been the most

1439
01:52:49,139 --> 01:52:56,880
beautiful location even though I love to
fly as well too so yes if there is a

1440
01:52:54,719 --> 01:53:00,480
motion I believe on the table yes sir
I'd like to make a motion that we

1441
01:52:58,260 --> 01:53:05,639
approve draft resolution a to adopt the
proposed mitigated negative declaration

1442
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:11,420
and mitigation monitoring and Reporting
plan and Item B draft resolution B to

1443
01:53:09,540 --> 01:53:17,639
approve plan development
22-03 along with the added conditions

1444
01:53:15,300 --> 01:53:22,920
for landscaping
okay do we have a second on that I will

1445
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:26,119
second and I will ask I guess does that
have to be one motion or two

1446
01:53:27,380 --> 01:53:33,179
making a motion to cover both
resolutions is fine in this case then a

1447
01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:37,619
double second it is okay seconded by
commissioner kogler

1448
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:41,699
um roll call what do we have any
discussion on that anybody no okay roll

1449
01:53:40,260 --> 01:53:45,900
call
commissioner cover rubius aye

1450
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:52,199
commissioner kogler aye commissioner
Marlow aye commissioner Conley aye Mr

1451
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:59,159
Vice chair Christensen
aye so the record will reflect that the

1452
01:53:55,020 --> 01:54:04,679
most in past 5-0 with Neil abstaining
for a conflict and we should invite uh

1453
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:09,900
chairs person Neil back in Katie
digiardi okay thank you so much

1454
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:14,239
and at this time I'll hand it back over
to uh chairperson Neil

1455
01:54:27,260 --> 01:54:36,480
thank you very much
um glad to be back

1456
01:54:31,860 --> 01:54:44,420
the next agenda item is uh Olson South
Chandler specific plan planning Area 13

1457
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:49,860
vesting tentative track map
3213 and plan development 22-16

1458
01:54:51,380 --> 01:54:59,699
p22-0103 applicant is SG Capital
Partners staff

1459
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:07,020
yes Mr chairman members of the
commission this is the uh what's known

1460
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:12,840
as pa-13 so this is planning area 13. of
the uptown Uptown the Olson South

1461
01:55:09,239 --> 01:55:18,179
Chandler specific plan also uh called
the Nieto

1462
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:23,820
so this is these are exhibits out of the
specific plan uh the vicinity map there

1463
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:29,460
is showing all those different colors is
the entire Olson South Chandler specific

1464
01:55:27,179 --> 01:55:35,760
plan you can see the numbers in those
those areas represent the planning area

1465
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:42,480
numbers the table on the right hand side
indicates the different planning areas

1466
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:48,239
and the number of units as well as the
type of residential that was approved

1467
01:55:46,260 --> 01:55:53,639
with the specific plan
so this evening we are looking at this

1468
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:58,560
area planning area 13.
so just to give you a little bit of idea

1469
01:55:55,619 --> 01:56:05,400
of where we are so uh looking up here
this is uh Sherwood Road as it comes

1470
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:10,500
down typically we then turn right on
Fontana and then we would hit lynnae and

1471
01:56:08,639 --> 01:56:15,420
then we'd come down to airport so this
jog you're all familiar with I may have

1472
01:56:12,659 --> 01:56:20,340
mixed up a few names there but the whole
idea is that Sherwood Road will be

1473
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:24,540
extended along uh here with the Olson
South Chandler specific plan and it'll

1474
01:56:22,619 --> 01:56:30,179
come down and then hit in with
Meadowlark Road down here

1475
01:56:27,239 --> 01:56:37,139
so this area is is a alignment of the
existing Lane Road and this is planning

1476
01:56:33,600 --> 01:56:41,880
Area 13 and this is Hanson Road and then
Hanson Road is the current city

1477
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:45,480
boundaries between the county and the
city limits

1478
01:56:43,139 --> 01:56:51,840
so looking up here at planning Area 13
this was an area intended for motor

1479
01:56:48,000 --> 01:57:01,080
motor Court type development there's 129
lots that were around 129 residential

1480
01:56:55,800 --> 01:57:07,199
units approved for a planning area 13.
this is out of the specific plan as well

1481
01:57:03,179 --> 01:57:13,500
this is showing the 129 units in these
clusters of six uh residential units

1482
01:57:10,679 --> 01:57:19,199
each of these units are on a spec on a
separate uh parcel so there's a

1483
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:24,780
subdivision map that goes along with
this the small lot Subdivision map that

1484
01:57:22,199 --> 01:57:30,420
was approved with the Olson South
Chandler specific plan uh also approved

1485
01:57:27,659 --> 01:57:33,739
these 129 lots and then these other
amenity Lots as well

1486
01:57:34,199 --> 01:57:43,619
so this is again the specific plan and
how those six Courtyard units were laid

1487
01:57:40,619 --> 01:57:51,320
out and then the T driveway coming in
into the garages so that's the courtyard

1488
01:57:46,980 --> 01:57:51,320
design approved with the specific plan

1489
01:57:51,480 --> 01:58:02,179
so this is a slide that starts to get
into what's being proposed tonight with

1490
01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:11,340
STG and this is a
STG is proposing 107 Lots so 107 primary

1491
01:58:08,219 --> 01:58:15,840
units so they'd be reducing it from 129
Lots down to 107. so one of the things

1492
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:21,659
we're looking for the Planning
Commission to do tonight is to approve

1493
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:25,699
that new tentative Subdivision map with
the

1494
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:33,599
107 primary Lots
they are asking for a few setback

1495
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:39,000
reductions but the reason for that is
with the 107 Lots this project is

1496
01:58:36,599 --> 01:58:46,020
proposing one excess redwelling unit
with each lot be attached to that

1497
01:58:42,659 --> 01:58:51,920
primary unit so this STG plan is a
primary unit with a accessory dwelling

1498
01:58:49,020 --> 01:58:58,860
unit with each unit so
that is also

1499
01:58:55,679 --> 01:59:06,060
the 107 Lots there's a reduction in the
number of the primary units in these

1500
01:59:01,679 --> 01:59:11,159
units so it goes from six down to six uh
primary units down to five and then that

1501
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:14,219
accommodates those accessory dwelling
units

1502
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:18,900
there we're going to talk a little bit
about the architectural style and then

1503
01:59:16,860 --> 01:59:23,159
there's some added amenities with this
project with the clubhouse and with the

1504
01:59:21,540 --> 01:59:28,739
fitness buildings
uh the architect uh Daniel Gammon is

1505
01:59:27,179 --> 01:59:32,880
here tonight he's going to make a
presentation so I'm not going to get

1506
01:59:30,540 --> 01:59:35,480
real deep into these site planning and
Architectural

1507
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:41,460
in terms of the accessory dwelling units
just wanted to provide a breakdown

1508
01:59:39,659 --> 01:59:47,400
because one of the things if you looked
at the project description from the uh

1509
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:53,340
from the applicant was they requested
the modification to reduce the amount of

1510
01:59:50,699 --> 01:59:57,420
open space allowed for the accessory
dwelling units so this is just a little

1511
01:59:55,440 --> 02:00:00,540
bit of information on Accessory dwelling
units

1512
01:59:58,860 --> 02:00:07,099
um
the state law for accessory dwelling

1513
02:00:03,119 --> 02:00:14,820
units as well as the city's ordinance
it does not require uh

1514
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:19,679
open space for accessory dwelling units
when they're 800 or less square feet so

1515
02:00:17,639 --> 02:00:24,780
the city does not have the ability to
require uh

1516
02:00:21,780 --> 02:00:30,000
open space for accessory dwelling units
when they're 800 or less square feet

1517
02:00:27,179 --> 02:00:36,320
there's other things too but the open
space is what this project is requesting

1518
02:00:32,659 --> 02:00:36,320
some relief from

1519
02:00:36,540 --> 02:00:45,480
the number of adus that they're
proposing is 107 if you look at the

1520
02:00:41,699 --> 02:00:53,460
breakdown the plan 180u is less than 800
square feet at 663. the plan 2 square

1521
02:00:49,619 --> 02:00:59,460
footage is 643 square feet and then the
Adu for the plan 3 is slightly over the

1522
02:00:56,760 --> 02:01:05,219
800 square feet but it come to find out
that the the actually if we look at the

1523
02:01:01,800 --> 02:01:10,980
design for the Adu for the 847 square
feet the 21 situations where that

1524
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:16,440
happens the open space the private open
space is actually provided for on those

1525
02:01:13,860 --> 02:01:19,760
so we can talk about this a little bit
more after the presentation from the

1526
02:01:18,060 --> 02:01:25,739
architect
the whole idea

1527
02:01:22,580 --> 02:01:29,239
and we'll get to let me get to the STG
plan here

1528
02:01:27,659 --> 02:01:34,980
yep
relying on Daniel to provide that so the

1529
02:01:32,340 --> 02:01:39,719
whole idea is that their project with
the the open space is provided for

1530
02:01:37,260 --> 02:01:45,980
common areas with the amenities with the
clubhouse with the fitness center but

1531
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:52,260
that common open space would provide for
uh the open space for whether it's the

1532
02:01:49,380 --> 02:02:00,139
primary units or the accessory dwelling
units the primary units have the private

1533
02:01:55,880 --> 02:02:05,219
open space but just in general
the intent of this whole area and with

1534
02:02:02,820 --> 02:02:09,360
the specific plans with the Turtle Creek
Park with all of the trails there's a

1535
02:02:07,020 --> 02:02:15,000
lot of open space provided for in the
specific plan area that is beyond what

1536
02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:20,599
would be uh
provided for on each of the individual

1537
02:02:18,060 --> 02:02:26,760
units
this is a specific plan so this is this

1538
02:02:24,659 --> 02:02:32,400
is out of the specific plan so there was
a wine country element there was a

1539
02:02:30,360 --> 02:02:37,199
progressive Spanish and there was a
modern Farmhouse element what you're

1540
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:42,440
going to see in the presentation is the
request for the all of the units to just

1541
02:02:40,380 --> 02:02:47,820
to maintain This Modern Farmhouse
architectural style throughout

1542
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:53,520
there's different color palettes there's
different models so they don't all look

1543
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:58,500
the same but there's a section in the
specific plan that indicates that the

1544
02:02:55,619 --> 02:03:03,659
planning areas should have the three
different types or the three different

1545
02:03:01,139 --> 02:03:08,460
types of architectural they're proposing
to stick with the modern Farmhouse and

1546
02:03:06,179 --> 02:03:14,400
the architect will be able to walk you
through the designs on that

1547
02:03:11,940 --> 02:03:20,580
this is the development standards the
setbacks the height

1548
02:03:16,219 --> 02:03:25,800
the the landscape the parking
this is that courtyard design this

1549
02:03:23,580 --> 02:03:30,780
project as I mentioned will have five
primary units instead of six it opens up

1550
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:35,540
a little more but the main reason is
that they're adding those Adu units

1551
02:03:35,639 --> 02:03:43,020
uh the architect will go through this
and and indicate kind of the areas and

1552
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:48,179
get more into uh the request for the
setback reductions uh generally along

1553
02:03:45,420 --> 02:03:54,780
the Nay Road uh this is indicating a
10-foot rear yard setback they're

1554
02:03:50,940 --> 02:03:59,760
proposing uh just under nine eight eight
feet and some uh and some inches for

1555
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:04,500
some reductions from the 10 down to
eight but they'll be able to he'll be

1556
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:08,099
able to provide that in his uh
presentation

1557
02:04:05,940 --> 02:04:14,400
this is out of the specific plan just
indicating the farmhouse style in

1558
02:04:10,380 --> 02:04:14,400
different uh materials

1559
02:04:14,580 --> 02:04:23,280
foreign this is out of the specific plan
showing the plan the the cross section

1560
02:04:19,860 --> 02:04:30,599
for Lane Road the two lanes the bike
Lanes uh drain bioswells drainage on the

1561
02:04:27,239 --> 02:04:36,840
side and then a 12 foot uh pedestrian
bicycle path is being being provided on

1562
02:04:34,500 --> 02:04:42,000
the south side of Lanae road with some
additional six feet of landscaping and

1563
02:04:39,239 --> 02:04:48,659
this this is representing the the rear
fence the rear property line of these

1564
02:04:44,820 --> 02:04:53,580
pa-13 units which would be here so when
we talk about this 10-foot setback from

1565
02:04:51,780 --> 02:04:59,880
this property line to where the building
is requesting to be able to reduce down

1566
02:04:56,639 --> 02:05:04,920
to eight uh keep in mind that we've got
quite a bit of things happening on the

1567
02:05:02,460 --> 02:05:10,380
right-of-way side before you get to a
travel Lane and that's what this is

1568
02:05:07,380 --> 02:05:16,800
graphic is representing
so what we're looking at this evening is

1569
02:05:13,020 --> 02:05:21,560
a request to approve the vesting
tentative map for pa-13 along with the

1570
02:05:20,099 --> 02:05:27,440
development plan
and then there are other options

1571
02:05:25,340 --> 02:05:34,380
to
modify option A or refer back to staff

1572
02:05:31,199 --> 02:05:42,260
or make findings for denial
one thing to keep in mind is the STG

1573
02:05:39,980 --> 02:05:49,320
map the truck
3213 as long as well as development plan

1574
02:05:45,980 --> 02:05:54,300
2216. this would set up a second option
for this pa-13 property the first option

1575
02:05:52,739 --> 02:06:00,840
is what was approved in the specific
plan so the the

1576
02:05:57,320 --> 02:06:08,280
129 units along with the specific plan
development standards still would be an

1577
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:15,239
entitlement for this pa-13 so that along
with this project would have options uh

1578
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:20,760
the STG group is in contract to be
purchase pa-13 they want to make sure

1579
02:06:19,139 --> 02:06:24,900
that their entitlements of what they
want to do is established what this is

1580
02:06:23,159 --> 02:06:31,980
about what's being proposed with these
applications uh but there will be the

1581
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:36,360
point where escrow is closed STG would
then have the ability to move forward

1582
02:06:33,420 --> 02:06:41,099
with their plans which if they approve
tonight would be that option if for some

1583
02:06:39,179 --> 02:06:49,980
reason that that escrow doesn't happen
and this TG doesn't end up purchasing

1584
02:06:43,860 --> 02:06:56,699
this pa13 the current uh uh owner the
Olsen 212 LLC could still rely upon that

1585
02:06:53,880 --> 02:07:01,020
original plan uh with the specific plan
for development so those that's two

1586
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:06,119
options there'll be a point where
there's a map that tentative map whether

1587
02:07:03,719 --> 02:07:10,020
it's this map or the previous gets
recorded at what point that the maps

1588
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:14,400
recorded then that accompanying
development plan and this or the

1589
02:07:12,060 --> 02:07:18,540
specific plan would need to then follow
up with the design in relation to that

1590
02:07:16,860 --> 02:07:23,540
map
but with that I'd be happy to answer any

1591
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:30,199
questions but also
the architect is here to we have a

1592
02:07:26,940 --> 02:07:30,199
presentation Cuda

1593
02:07:30,540 --> 02:07:37,139
great thank you Darren and please join
us

1594
02:07:35,340 --> 02:07:41,520
uh my name is Daniel Gaiman with
danielian Associates and we have been

1595
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:46,920
The Architects for this project and I
believe I have Adam and Ryan one of the

1596
02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:51,060
other or both on the phone
yeah I'm uh Adam tankrini from STG is on

1597
02:07:50,219 --> 02:07:56,099
the phone
awesome thanks Adam

1598
02:07:53,219 --> 02:07:59,280
um so I'm going to introduce and walk
through in a little bit more detail some

1599
02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:02,940
of these fine points for this project
but I just have to say this I'm so glad

1600
02:08:01,139 --> 02:08:07,260
that we got to go after Triana winery
because

1601
02:08:04,260 --> 02:08:11,520
has been said that homes is where Jobs
go to sleep at night and so I I can

1602
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:16,679
imagine some of the people they will
have there living in the uh in p13 and

1603
02:08:15,480 --> 02:08:21,900
one we're going to come up with a groovy
name for it eventually as well

1604
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:26,460
um so uh Darcy can I have the Marcy
sorry we have a Marcia and Darcy okay

1605
02:08:23,460 --> 02:08:26,460
Marcy

1606
02:08:32,219 --> 02:08:38,179
so what I want to do in the presentation
is first give a little background on how

1607
02:08:36,900 --> 02:08:44,940
this became
fewer structures on the 16 Acres but

1608
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:48,659
with more households in it
um the the guys at sgg were very

1609
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:54,119
interested in fulfilling some of the
some of the dreamy intentions of the

1610
02:08:51,239 --> 02:08:59,280
specific plan which include providing a
range of housing types and a range of

1611
02:08:56,040 --> 02:09:03,360
price points by introducing accessory
dwelling units into this neighborhood

1612
02:09:01,020 --> 02:09:09,179
that's in fact happening
um because they are they're they're

1613
02:09:04,920 --> 02:09:12,599
modestly sized uh and they are what we
call naturally occurring affordable

1614
02:09:10,980 --> 02:09:16,320
housing in some cases because they're
just smaller units the homes themselves

1615
02:09:14,099 --> 02:09:20,400
are modestly sized they're primaries and
then the accessory dwelling units by

1616
02:09:18,599 --> 02:09:25,159
Design are roughly half the square
footage of what each primary residence

1617
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:25,159
is

1618
02:09:29,940 --> 02:09:32,480
hmm

1619
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:43,980
Adam do you want to um we're waiting for
the up for the presentation to come up

1620
02:09:42,900 --> 02:09:48,360
do you want to just give a quick
introduction of how you guys came

1621
02:09:46,020 --> 02:09:52,739
abreast of the adding accessory doiling
units concept

1622
02:09:50,820 --> 02:09:57,060
yeah sure Daniel
um so uh first off thank you everyone

1623
02:09:55,260 --> 02:10:01,080
for your time tonight I appreciate
everyone's accommodation of adding us to

1624
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:05,280
this schedule on this thing so thank you
for that

1625
02:10:02,460 --> 02:10:09,900
um but yeah to Daniel's question
um when we first looked at this at this

1626
02:10:08,280 --> 02:10:14,219
PA 13
um and we are in our background is

1627
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:17,760
hoping
um apartment development as well as

1628
02:10:15,900 --> 02:10:22,260
industrial but
um we we were struggling with the fact

1629
02:10:21,060 --> 02:10:31,159
that
the entire master plan Community yeah

1630
02:10:26,699 --> 02:10:31,159
I really didn't have

1631
02:10:32,159 --> 02:10:38,880
built the red scale
um and that's uh you know it's if you're

1632
02:10:36,300 --> 02:10:43,920
reading the news or you know looking at
what's going on in the world today the

1633
02:10:40,020 --> 02:10:48,960
build to rent Market is is so important
and it's so needed uh you know there's a

1634
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:52,199
lot of that middle class that can't
necessarily afford a home but they want

1635
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:57,000
the home lifestyle
and what we've done here is essentially

1636
02:10:54,420 --> 02:11:04,199
that is provided something that's really
missing from this overall community

1637
02:11:00,179 --> 02:11:07,800
that can allow a young family that's in
the area

1638
02:11:05,460 --> 02:11:12,900
um the ability to have that
that was really important uh essentially

1639
02:11:10,440 --> 02:11:18,239
for us uh
you know as developers and also you know

1640
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:23,820
having families themselves uh really
wanted to provide uh for this community

1641
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:29,280
so that that was kind of the the initial
thought process and then also looking at

1642
02:11:26,460 --> 02:11:33,960
it from unmarkability standpoint of how
do we differentiate ourselves from you

1643
02:11:31,320 --> 02:11:38,340
know kehov or Shea Homes uh the trilogy
project uh how do we stand out and and

1644
02:11:36,599 --> 02:11:42,480
not necessarily compete with them but
create more value overall for the entire

1645
02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:45,840
master plan community so that's that's
how we came about this and perfect

1646
02:11:43,860 --> 02:11:48,920
timing Adam because we now have the
presentation ready to rock

1647
02:11:49,860 --> 02:11:57,739
um great so can I have the next one
this is great so whoops

1648
02:11:56,580 --> 02:12:03,480
um
oh it's not I can just say next I I know

1649
02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:08,099
it pretty well so
um okay so this this is all the heavy

1650
02:12:06,239 --> 02:12:12,540
lifting um in terms of the things we're
asking for it's the the two tables are

1651
02:12:10,679 --> 02:12:16,560
the elements of the modern farm house
style and the development standards for

1652
02:12:14,940 --> 02:12:20,940
the Mordecai so you see a lot of green
printing because that's what we have

1653
02:12:18,239 --> 02:12:25,080
conformed with um most of the
requirements there are a few that we had

1654
02:12:23,219 --> 02:12:28,560
to Elbow our way through a little bit in
order to get the accessory dwelling

1655
02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:33,119
units to work with the primary residents
I mentioned before on the right hand

1656
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:38,639
side just some key points that we
started with a specific plan

1657
02:12:36,119 --> 02:12:44,219
um that stresses attainable housing
opportunities we went and includes

1658
02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:48,719
accessory dwelling units as a permitted
use within the specific plan area

1659
02:12:47,340 --> 02:12:52,619
um then it refers you to the city's
housing element which some of the goals

1660
02:12:50,639 --> 02:12:58,020
policies and action items include
providing an array of housing options

1661
02:12:55,320 --> 02:13:01,679
for people at an array of income levels
and uh specifically through the

1662
02:13:00,360 --> 02:13:04,980
promotion of the accessory dwelling
units and then I won't bore you with the

1663
02:13:03,300 --> 02:13:09,540
details but there's a few wonky points
from the state Adu law that Darren

1664
02:13:07,500 --> 02:13:15,119
already referred to
um that talks about how these homes each

1665
02:13:12,060 --> 02:13:19,139
home is entitled to have one of these by
state law within the sort of boundaries

1666
02:13:17,460 --> 02:13:24,599
that are defined there again I won't
read that point for point so that's the

1667
02:13:21,480 --> 02:13:29,219
heavy lifting and I'm going to
um at DRC there were a lot of questions

1668
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:34,380
about how does this property how is it
managed because Adam mentioned built to

1669
02:13:32,280 --> 02:13:39,420
rent and so the intention of this
community is that all of the units are

1670
02:13:37,139 --> 02:13:43,260
rented the primary residences are and
the accessory dwelling units are as well

1671
02:13:41,159 --> 02:13:48,420
so we've just put together a quick few
quick bullet points kind of the next

1672
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:54,060
slide please on how the management will
work and it will also address if there's

1673
02:13:51,239 --> 02:14:00,239
ever a possibility of a for sale exit
strategy from the project

1674
02:13:57,960 --> 02:14:04,079
and Adam if you uh can can speak it
we're still hoping the slide will come

1675
02:14:02,460 --> 02:14:08,840
up soon
and if you have the presentation

1676
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:08,840
yourself can you wing it from that

1677
02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:16,340
foreign

1678
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:35,219
I'm I'm here I'm breaking up though what
did you just ask Daniel sorry sorry

1679
02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:39,300
we're again we're having technical
difficulties here and I'm hoping that

1680
02:14:37,139 --> 02:14:44,040
while we fill the space you can speak to
the management issues which would be

1681
02:14:40,619 --> 02:14:48,960
slide three in the package event yeah
absolutely so like Daniel said you know

1682
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:52,139
you know rental units
um

1683
02:14:49,980 --> 02:15:00,119
show you that we've we've actually added
amenities to this specific PA of a

1684
02:14:57,659 --> 02:15:07,079
clubhouse which also acts as a leasing
office a wine tasting room uh and a Rec

1685
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:10,860
Center as well as a workout facility uh
Pool and Spa

1686
02:15:09,119 --> 02:15:15,659
um so you have a your Resort style
amenities for a beautiful housing

1687
02:15:13,500 --> 02:15:19,619
community which is going to be great so
the management is going to be a third

1688
02:15:17,340 --> 02:15:22,679
party management company as as is as if
you would manage like an apartment

1689
02:15:20,820 --> 02:15:27,300
complex
um you know we when we were talking with

1690
02:15:24,900 --> 02:15:32,460
city council or excuse me Planning
Commission on the uh the DRC

1691
02:15:30,900 --> 02:15:37,260
um you know some questions were asked
about you know well what happens if you

1692
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:41,280
know you sell some of these Lots or you
don't well the buyer of this particular

1693
02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:45,540
project is going to be essentially
buying the entire Community

1694
02:15:43,739 --> 02:15:51,719
um even though you're able to option off
and and sell uh a single lot at a time

1695
02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:56,579
um you know we are open to having a deed
restriction uh on the property so that

1696
02:15:53,880 --> 02:16:01,380
doesn't happen even though we've done
projects in Bill Durant where we've

1697
02:15:59,219 --> 02:16:06,619
essentially sold off
um half half of the units and it doesn't

1698
02:16:04,679 --> 02:16:10,980
necessarily matter because there is a
sub-association if that would happen

1699
02:16:08,460 --> 02:16:15,000
that would then partake with the third
party management and they would keep

1700
02:16:13,139 --> 02:16:20,760
that management going even after the
houses are sold to still manage those

1701
02:16:17,340 --> 02:16:24,780
amenities and that process so
um I hope that answers some of the

1702
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:28,380
questions if not I'm happy to answer any
other questions and get more and more

1703
02:16:25,980 --> 02:16:32,340
detail you know down the line if any
commissioner has any any question

1704
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:37,200
options on that great thanks Adam I mean
we are back up and running I think let

1705
02:16:34,380 --> 02:16:42,960
me see ah yes so um Darren already
showed this this is this the site plan

1706
02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:49,219
that was included in the specific plan
this is our proposed site plan Darren

1707
02:16:46,320 --> 02:16:53,939
already explained that sometimes in the
nomenclature of motor Court housing

1708
02:16:51,899 --> 02:16:58,500
they're known as a six-pack or an eight
pack and so we changed them from six

1709
02:16:56,160 --> 02:17:03,420
packs to five packs for this very
critically important reason that to have

1710
02:17:01,679 --> 02:17:07,859
six houses in there we were left without
adequate parking spaces for the

1711
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:12,780
accessory dwelling units so by reducing
a six-pack to a five pack

1712
02:17:09,960 --> 02:17:17,399
um we have at a in the auto court itself
a surface parking space for each of the

1713
02:17:15,719 --> 02:17:21,179
accessory dwelling units that are in the
cluster so that was really important in

1714
02:17:19,740 --> 02:17:24,960
this and Darren mentioned it does kind
of open up the space in the middle of

1715
02:17:22,620 --> 02:17:31,500
that motor court but I'll show you in a
moment but um the uh

1716
02:17:29,040 --> 02:17:35,160
I wanted to go back for one second the
their Landscaping Pockets throughout the

1717
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:39,240
site
um at the North along lynnae there's a

1718
02:17:37,800 --> 02:17:44,179
square at the end of each of the public
streets I don't have the laser pointers

1719
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:49,500
that I'm here too it is
awesome okay Okay so

1720
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:54,540
there's a pocket part there's a pocket
part there's a pocket part there's this

1721
02:17:51,660 --> 02:17:58,200
internal Paseo that runs most of the
length of the western side of the

1722
02:17:56,099 --> 02:18:03,719
property and then we have our clubhouse
in leasing there and uh a cool a pool

1723
02:18:01,439 --> 02:18:09,359
core and a fitness room specialty
Fitness and a dog run so there's lots of

1724
02:18:06,540 --> 02:18:14,840
open space around the site I just want
to show you a couple of those more

1725
02:18:10,439 --> 02:18:14,840
closely this is um whoops sorry

1726
02:18:15,540 --> 02:18:22,439
uh
uh that is a nicely appointed and

1727
02:18:20,399 --> 02:18:27,000
Landscape pocket park there are slightly
different and that's the nature of the

1728
02:18:24,300 --> 02:18:31,320
Paseo so the house and then it's uh yard
captured and then a public walking space

1729
02:18:29,580 --> 02:18:35,099
in between the whole Community was
designed to be very highly walkable

1730
02:18:33,660 --> 02:18:39,479
um lots of sidewalks to lead you to
those common amenity spaces

1731
02:18:37,939 --> 02:18:45,780
so
um this is the six pack cluster plan

1732
02:18:42,420 --> 02:18:50,399
from the specific plan
and this is our modified five pack plant

1733
02:18:48,599 --> 02:18:53,700
what we've done is added this diagram
from the from the DRC for those of you

1734
02:18:52,320 --> 02:18:57,240
who were there
um to distinguish between the primary

1735
02:18:55,679 --> 02:19:01,500
residence and the accessory dwelling
units and here it's very easy the

1736
02:18:58,679 --> 02:19:07,859
primaries are are in Gray and the
accessory dwelling units are in blue

1737
02:19:04,320 --> 02:19:12,300
um so what we've shown is Pathways from
the Adu parking spaces there and how

1738
02:19:10,019 --> 02:19:15,359
they access the front door of their
dwelling

1739
02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:19,559
um one has to walk a little bit further
than the others

1740
02:19:16,920 --> 02:19:23,219
um these guys come out in a round to get
into their accessory dwelling unit with

1741
02:19:21,660 --> 02:19:28,019
the set the different entries and the
different approaches to the dwellings it

1742
02:19:25,859 --> 02:19:32,580
kind of tweaks the idea of is a yard a
front yard a side yard or a rear yard in

1743
02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:36,479
some cases but generally speaking that's
how people circulate around the site

1744
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:42,059
again I mentioned earlier that each
accessory dwelling unit is about half

1745
02:19:38,340 --> 02:19:46,679
the size by lot of the primary dwelling
unit the um there are two plans here

1746
02:19:44,939 --> 02:19:51,420
that are right around 14 100 square feet
for the primary unit and the adus are

1747
02:19:49,020 --> 02:19:59,300
less than 700 we have one bigger home
that's at 1700 square feet which is Plan

1748
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:59,300
Three and it's adus that's 840 or so

1749
02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:05,700
this is a diagram to highlight the
variances from setbacks that we're

1750
02:20:04,500 --> 02:20:10,859
requesting
um the yellow highlighted areas we had

1751
02:20:08,460 --> 02:20:14,160
the backyards reduced to something less
than 10 feet it varies a little bit

1752
02:20:12,479 --> 02:20:18,120
because the houses are orthogonal and
the property lines are not so it's a

1753
02:20:16,260 --> 02:20:24,180
teeny tiny little wedge there that makes
the dimension variable

1754
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:29,820
um on this side where that home that's
planned to is on an outside corner

1755
02:20:27,140 --> 02:20:35,820
requires a deeper yard than it typically
would and we have varied that in that

1756
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:41,760
situation that occurs eight times in the
property and then down here these two

1757
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:46,979
homes were already really Compact and to
make the accessory dwelling units work

1758
02:20:43,319 --> 02:20:50,580
in those homes we reduce their front
yard setback a little bit but they're

1759
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:55,200
still they set that beyond the sidewalk
plus a tree line and I'll have a photo

1760
02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:59,220
to show you that later where the entry
to the homes have we're trying to treat

1761
02:20:56,880 --> 02:21:03,660
them as almost like a brownstone kind of
walk up into front outdoor sort of

1762
02:21:01,439 --> 02:21:09,020
situation so that's just a quick
illustration of the variances having to

1763
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:09,020
do with with yards

1764
02:21:09,300 --> 02:21:14,819
this was the proposed landscape plan
from this specific plant I just want you

1765
02:21:13,319 --> 02:21:19,620
to know quickly the sort of placement of
the trees and pockets of planting

1766
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:24,420
this is sorry it's a little bit smaller
but here the the number of three Street

1767
02:21:22,140 --> 02:21:28,800
trees and internal cluster trees are the
same and the pockets of planting are

1768
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:33,560
stunningly similar from
um our proposal to the specific plan

1769
02:21:34,380 --> 02:21:40,560
and just to really blow it up for you
this is backyards along Lynnette and uh

1770
02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:44,460
reduced from the 10 to somewhat less and
you can see different Furniture

1771
02:21:41,640 --> 02:21:48,180
Arrangements that are placed in there uh
that actually show their usable space

1772
02:21:45,960 --> 02:21:51,960
and some of the space is for Adu and
some of it is for primary house so the

1773
02:21:49,859 --> 02:21:54,979
kind of side by side with fences in
between them for privacy

1774
02:21:55,800 --> 02:22:01,859
and here are some images
um one big shift from DRC for those of

1775
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:05,700
you who are at DRC we received the
comment asking us about the fence design

1776
02:22:03,420 --> 02:22:11,819
that separated these yards from the bike
path and all that Landscaping on lynnae

1777
02:22:07,500 --> 02:22:15,300
and uh that has been worked through and
working with planning stuff thank you

1778
02:22:13,140 --> 02:22:19,979
Darren we have proposed an alternate
fence there that instead of what we call

1779
02:22:17,580 --> 02:22:25,080
Zoo fence which is just pickets we went
to a more solid we kept the brick base

1780
02:22:22,020 --> 02:22:29,819
in the in the stone the pie lasters but
filled that in with a more solid fence

1781
02:22:27,540 --> 02:22:33,000
and it just makes these yards so much
more private than that open fence did

1782
02:22:31,620 --> 02:22:37,740
when he showed the streak diagram
earlier you could see that sort of zoo

1783
02:22:34,920 --> 02:22:41,160
style fence and uh a combination of
folks that just wasn't the right thing

1784
02:22:39,300 --> 02:22:48,260
even though the specific plan required
that so we've adapted this from other

1785
02:22:44,060 --> 02:22:48,260
fence types in the specific plant

1786
02:22:48,780 --> 02:22:55,140
this is an aerial view of of the cluster
itself

1787
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:59,460
um you can see how the Adu parking
spaces which are here open up uh the

1788
02:22:57,899 --> 02:23:03,240
space a lot more and what that has the
effect of doing is giving more windows

1789
02:23:01,500 --> 02:23:08,420
on each house exposure to light so
that's sort of a nice perk of having the

1790
02:23:05,340 --> 02:23:08,420
five instead of the six

1791
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:16,260
um just a couple of other views the one
on the left is is more street view into

1792
02:23:13,979 --> 02:23:20,460
the court and the one on the right shows
the plan one that I mentioned where we

1793
02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:23,000
have reduced the yard requirement along
there

1794
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:29,160
um by three feet
and we have all of the entries to that

1795
02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:34,140
home are articulated with this nice
porch element that they are they frame

1796
02:23:32,340 --> 02:23:37,680
the entry into the court so we like that
sort of walkable quality

1797
02:23:36,120 --> 02:23:40,939
um staying consistent with that
throughout the neighborhood

1798
02:23:41,640 --> 02:23:50,520
there's a view along lynnae
um this is our uh visualization of the

1799
02:23:48,420 --> 02:23:53,700
section that Darren showed earlier and
that's the changed fence that creates

1800
02:23:52,439 --> 02:23:57,540
the Privacy for those yards because
there is an awful lot going on out here

1801
02:23:55,740 --> 02:24:02,939
and starting The Pedestrian and bike
path uh and there you can just see a

1802
02:24:00,180 --> 02:24:06,359
flat flatter view that's our that's the
biggest house the biggest Adu in the

1803
02:24:04,859 --> 02:24:09,720
plan is the one that stretches along
what is the backyard

1804
02:24:08,700 --> 02:24:15,180
foreign
just just a quick word on the clubhouse

1805
02:24:12,479 --> 02:24:19,260
amenity it is it functions as the
leasing because this is intended to be a

1806
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:22,740
built a rental Community
um and lots of features there's just a

1807
02:24:21,060 --> 02:24:26,280
ton of indoor outdoor space and I'll
show you a rendering of that and in a

1808
02:24:25,380 --> 02:24:30,420
moment
because basically this whole

1809
02:24:27,960 --> 02:24:36,180
neighborhood was approached as if it
were a multi-family apartment community

1810
02:24:33,479 --> 02:24:40,200
um and so typically you see nice lavish
amenities and these for the number of

1811
02:24:38,280 --> 02:24:45,420
units are out here totally we went for
129 lots to 107 but there's two two

1812
02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:50,700
dwellings in each of those so it's a
total of 214 households

1813
02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:56,100
um here and the amount of amenity that
STG is proposing for that many

1814
02:24:53,399 --> 02:24:58,700
households is really lavish it's it's
like a resort

1815
02:24:58,920 --> 02:25:05,160
um so it just lists some of the features
that we have going on there and then uh

1816
02:25:03,420 --> 02:25:09,899
that's a little shot of the back of that
ins that doesn't face the street this is

1817
02:25:07,380 --> 02:25:14,600
faces back into the property of the
shared community space leasing Center

1818
02:25:11,880 --> 02:25:14,600
and so on

1819
02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:22,020
and then this is the the pool it's quite
a large pool a spa

1820
02:25:19,439 --> 02:25:25,680
um a fitness room and a specialty
Fitness room and a sort of pathway

1821
02:25:23,580 --> 02:25:30,120
between them you can just want to point
out right there this this is a very uh

1822
02:25:28,260 --> 02:25:33,899
nice path that comes down for the rest
of the community and leads into this

1823
02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:38,000
open space which is shared by everyone
in the community the dog park is over

1824
02:25:35,819 --> 02:25:38,000
here

1825
02:25:38,819 --> 02:25:45,840
that this is one of my favorite parts of
the site this is that um pathway that

1826
02:25:42,960 --> 02:25:52,140
leads you down into the area of all the
outdoor recreation the active Recreation

1827
02:25:48,540 --> 02:25:57,300
um the pool uh specialty Fitness and
fitness rooms

1828
02:25:53,760 --> 02:26:01,800
and that might be it
oh no so this this I can enlarge this

1829
02:26:00,240 --> 02:26:07,200
but let me talk about parking for a
moment the um we were concerned about

1830
02:26:04,439 --> 02:26:11,880
that from the beginning and a nice
feature about there's that's a public

1831
02:26:09,300 --> 02:26:16,140
road that's a public road that and that
are both public roads so we have lots of

1832
02:26:13,439 --> 02:26:20,520
public roads sort of interfaced with our
community and along all of those and

1833
02:26:18,540 --> 02:26:24,720
also along Parkview which is the street
at the end you can see these teeny tiny

1834
02:26:22,319 --> 02:26:30,780
hash marks there we have on-street
parking all over so

1835
02:26:27,540 --> 02:26:36,420
um within 107 Lots each primary
residence has two parking spaces in a

1836
02:26:33,720 --> 02:26:41,760
garage each accessory dwelling unit has
one surface parking space within the

1837
02:26:39,000 --> 02:26:47,460
cluster so they're all parked on that
basis and then in addition to that there

1838
02:26:43,740 --> 02:26:54,120
are 121 Street spaces so if you take all
that math together that works out about

1839
02:26:50,220 --> 02:26:58,080
um four parking spaces per lot so those
parking is very generous throughout the

1840
02:26:56,700 --> 02:27:01,979
neighborhood that was a concerned really
early on in the planning process and we

1841
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:05,960
thought we believe that we've really
held that and honored that requirement

1842
02:27:06,560 --> 02:27:13,680
and as Darren referred to earlier I know
my my friends at STG are just really

1843
02:27:11,880 --> 02:27:17,040
rare to go on this we're very excited
about it and once again I'm so glad to

1844
02:27:15,540 --> 02:27:20,880
have followed that Winery project that's
bringing jobs to Paso and we're bringing

1845
02:27:19,380 --> 02:27:26,700
homes for those people to come home and
sleep in so that's um just a quick tour

1846
02:27:24,540 --> 02:27:31,140
through what was proposed and what we
have now and I'm happy to answer

1847
02:27:28,260 --> 02:27:37,520
questions as well
great thank you very much

1848
02:27:33,479 --> 02:27:37,520
um commissioner Christian questions

1849
02:27:38,640 --> 02:27:43,819
uh just a couple questions
um

1850
02:27:44,100 --> 02:27:51,540
the uh the different floor plans Darren
so you're asking the commission tonight

1851
02:27:49,740 --> 02:27:54,960
to
um

1852
02:27:52,620 --> 02:27:59,280
allow the applicant to just go with one
plan

1853
02:27:56,340 --> 02:28:04,140
one rendering planner elevation plan
sorry no

1854
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:08,399
um I think there are many there's three
different plans and other elevations so

1855
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:13,399
there's multiple architectural plans
proposed I think uh what I was trying to

1856
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:18,660
say was the specific plan indicated
three architectural themes right uh and

1857
02:28:17,220 --> 02:28:22,800
what we're looking for is just kind of
the one architectural theme and Daniel

1858
02:28:20,760 --> 02:28:28,500
maybe you can hit on that a little bit
more is the what's being proposed is the

1859
02:28:26,100 --> 02:28:32,819
modern Farmhouse which is a permitted
style in the specific plan but these

1860
02:28:31,020 --> 02:28:38,280
they're looking at doing that style
throughout all the the 107 buildings

1861
02:28:36,620 --> 02:28:43,800
they're going to have different
variations of that throughout but so

1862
02:28:41,460 --> 02:28:50,819
what I was just bringing to the planning
commission's attention was the uh the

1863
02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:54,000
one farmhouse style and then they're
just gonna do variations of the

1864
02:28:52,020 --> 02:28:58,220
particular style and they're not going
to have a Spanish style and they're not

1865
02:28:56,100 --> 02:28:58,220
going to

1866
02:28:58,340 --> 02:29:04,620
and there was an interest there was a
philosophical position behind doing that

1867
02:29:02,100 --> 02:29:08,340
as well is that we wanted the a whole
neighborhood to read as a village that

1868
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:15,479
had a kind of
um a uniformity among the dwellings and

1869
02:29:12,060 --> 02:29:19,500
then on the two uh common area buildings
out in front we call the leasing Center

1870
02:29:17,640 --> 02:29:23,939
Clubhouse we always call that the big
house because it's the most articulated

1871
02:29:21,780 --> 02:29:28,260
the most ornamented building in the
entire neighborhood and then the fitness

1872
02:29:25,920 --> 02:29:32,520
room is the barn and so it's
architecture kind of reflects that so we

1873
02:29:30,600 --> 02:29:38,220
wanted a homogeneity among where the
residents were a spectacular bit for the

1874
02:29:36,060 --> 02:29:43,620
leasing and Clubhouse and then kind of a
nudge wink wink to the local agriculture

1875
02:29:41,100 --> 02:29:49,140
with the fitness building
okay thank you

1876
02:29:45,300 --> 02:29:53,520
um so the
the other question I had was um could

1877
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:57,899
you clarify again it was it kind of
seemed a little confusing for the

1878
02:29:55,319 --> 02:30:01,520
setback changes where the locations will
be that that the applicants requesting

1879
02:30:00,960 --> 02:30:06,020
um
the setback uh allowances

1880
02:30:07,500 --> 02:30:10,819
boy I don't know what I did here

1881
02:30:11,939 --> 02:30:14,780
someone else

1882
02:30:14,939 --> 02:30:25,020
got it okay this is a this exhibit I
think is good this is so the that five

1883
02:30:22,859 --> 02:30:30,600
pack is the essential cluster there are
21 clusters and one half cluster that

1884
02:30:27,240 --> 02:30:36,120
make up the overall community and the
um the two on the bottom

1885
02:30:32,880 --> 02:30:41,160
is is that setback we asked to go from
eight to three uh eight to five so that

1886
02:30:38,819 --> 02:30:46,439
reduced uh by three feet
this one where this primary residence is

1887
02:30:44,760 --> 02:30:50,760
not tucked on the inside of the cluster
but is outside on a street face that

1888
02:30:48,960 --> 02:30:55,920
setback also went from 10 to a little
bit under 10. um that occurs eight times

1889
02:30:53,580 --> 02:31:00,180
throughout the entire community
and then here the backyards generally

1890
02:30:58,140 --> 02:31:04,439
were reduced from We're asked for a
reduction from 10 to somewhat less than

1891
02:31:02,580 --> 02:31:08,819
10 and I wish I could be super specific
but it varies because it's not parallel

1892
02:31:07,260 --> 02:31:14,100
um some of them get as high as nine and
change so it's just a move away from the

1893
02:31:12,120 --> 02:31:17,760
10 and that is
um everywhere that backyard occurs and

1894
02:31:15,840 --> 02:31:22,620
sometimes the Clusters rotate through
the plans so that's highlights where

1895
02:31:20,460 --> 02:31:27,240
we're asking for variance on setbacks
okay

1896
02:31:24,300 --> 02:31:29,580
um and then the last clear or well one
of the other clarifications I had was

1897
02:31:28,439 --> 02:31:35,220
there were
uh 107 adus and 21 of those would be

1898
02:31:33,060 --> 02:31:39,899
over 800 square feet yes and then the
the remainder of 86 would be under 850

1899
02:31:39,060 --> 02:31:43,680
square feet is that correct
significantly under they're actually

1900
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:47,399
under 700 so okay
um

1901
02:31:44,520 --> 02:31:50,819
and then for staff what other uh well I
guess maybe this is for David and I

1902
02:31:49,260 --> 02:31:53,340
think I know the answer to this but I
just want to confirm this

1903
02:31:52,740 --> 02:31:57,800
um
when we did this specific plan uh I know

1904
02:31:56,280 --> 02:32:04,740
that there were
mitigation issues for traffic and

1905
02:32:01,859 --> 02:32:08,340
um uh utilities things like that so they
weren't required to go through because

1906
02:32:06,300 --> 02:32:12,120
they're calling them adus and because
they're adus we didn't have to do

1907
02:32:10,680 --> 02:32:16,020
anything else with traffic with new
units right

1908
02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:21,479
that's correct so we can't require any
mitigations for adus but the full

1909
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:27,300
traffic mitigations for the entire
project still apply to pa-13 in all the

1910
02:32:24,359 --> 02:32:31,859
Pas I'm sorry what was the last part all
the mitigation measures so those have

1911
02:32:29,220 --> 02:32:39,660
been carried forward from PA 13's map
that the first one to this map so

1912
02:32:35,220 --> 02:32:45,300
traffic water sewer all that is this
still applies to this map but the 107

1913
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:49,439
units the traffic generated from that
um we can't require any kind of

1914
02:32:46,920 --> 02:32:52,380
mitigation to that traffic okay thank
you thanks for clarifying that David I

1915
02:32:50,819 --> 02:32:57,300
appreciate it um I don't have any other
questions at this time

1916
02:32:54,479 --> 02:33:02,760
commissioner comma
well uh commissioner Christensen uh kind

1917
02:33:00,060 --> 02:33:08,880
of hit on some of my concerns
the uh the specific plan for this uh has

1918
02:33:07,439 --> 02:33:15,120
a
uh

1919
02:33:10,500 --> 02:33:19,800
a thousand 293 residential units that it
applied and

1920
02:33:17,180 --> 02:33:26,340
essentially what this plan does is take
the

1921
02:33:22,040 --> 02:33:31,800
129 and makes it 1 107 but at the same
time it splits

1922
02:33:28,380 --> 02:33:36,960
the primary resident with a
Adu auxiliary dwelling unit and so I

1923
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:43,439
guess it's more
to Dave again

1924
02:33:39,560 --> 02:33:47,280
what I see is an 85 increase
in dwelling units because you're going

1925
02:33:46,319 --> 02:33:54,600
from
you're going from 129 to 107 but then

1926
02:33:51,120 --> 02:34:00,920
you're adding 107 in so the Delta is 85
more units and by itself

1927
02:33:58,740 --> 02:34:05,040
on the specific plan with all of these
total

1928
02:34:02,840 --> 02:34:11,880
1293 units
might not be significant but if we take

1929
02:34:08,340 --> 02:34:21,780
the next one which might be residential
number five pa5 and we end up having a

1930
02:34:16,939 --> 02:34:26,760
adus on that and adus on the others and
my point is that if you have a traffic

1931
02:34:24,600 --> 02:34:32,460
study that's based on X number of
dwelling units that generate

1932
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:40,080
X number of trips you have something
that's X Plus Y in this case the Y would

1933
02:34:36,240 --> 02:34:45,899
be based on 85 additional
drawing units or additional trips

1934
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:50,340
four or five trips per day per dwelling
unit so the mitigation measures become

1935
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:56,160
somewhat
in my mind cloudy if it becomes

1936
02:34:53,880 --> 02:35:00,620
significant to all the other Parcels
that become that come before the

1937
02:34:58,200 --> 02:35:08,220
commission so that what you have is
basically a small impact here but how

1938
02:35:04,920 --> 02:35:13,859
many more adus will we be doing and does
that put into question the X Plus y the

1939
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:17,780
Y being the additional trips that are
generated by these adus

1940
02:35:18,660 --> 02:35:28,560
um
well so far we have uh

1941
02:35:24,080 --> 02:35:34,439
four planning areas that are submitted
their plans I'm going to plan check and

1942
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:39,960
none of those none of those have adus
well I know you're talking and I I'll

1943
02:35:37,800 --> 02:35:46,740
concede one of these in the specific
plan does talk about 80 so I think it's

1944
02:35:42,359 --> 02:35:51,240
maybe a pa5 right so it's already been
included in discussion in a specific

1945
02:35:49,080 --> 02:35:57,660
plan for one area
but it wasn't discussed here so I don't

1946
02:35:54,840 --> 02:36:03,960
see a significant impact of 85
additional residents generating

1947
02:36:01,260 --> 02:36:08,880
an overwhelming cause to be concerned
for mitigation but I'm just wondering if

1948
02:36:06,180 --> 02:36:13,920
that Trend continues for all of the
Chandler Ranch and all the old Beachwood

1949
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:17,700
and stuff that does that call into
question

1950
02:36:15,240 --> 02:36:22,680
the mitigation measures that were
generated by

1951
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:28,040
traffic studies that were dependent on
the number of dwelling units that now

1952
02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:32,760
have increased by maybe
50 percent right because they'd use yeah

1953
02:36:31,620 --> 02:36:35,640
I understand
um

1954
02:36:33,720 --> 02:36:39,540
I think I'll fall back on what my
professor used to tell me when I ask

1955
02:36:37,260 --> 02:36:42,600
questions it depends
um

1956
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:47,460
so if the whole if the whole project
came in or let's just say three quarters

1957
02:36:45,000 --> 02:36:51,240
of the project came in with adus that
would be a significant amount of traffic

1958
02:36:49,439 --> 02:36:53,600
that would be generated there's no doubt
about it

1959
02:36:52,439 --> 02:36:58,500
um
it's it's a hard it's a really difficult

1960
02:36:56,460 --> 02:37:02,939
question to answer because a lot of the
a lot of the mitigations were overridden

1961
02:37:01,080 --> 02:37:08,760
by Council right so they were class one
impacts that we could not fully mitigate

1962
02:37:06,200 --> 02:37:15,479
uh they were you know I mean we did we
did we required the best they could do

1963
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:19,080
on some of the traffic impacts but they
still didn't reduce whatever the impact

1964
02:37:18,060 --> 02:37:22,740
was
back to what what was occurring before

1965
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:28,620
um
the project moved forward you know it's

1966
02:37:26,760 --> 02:37:35,100
one of the difficulties with the
California state Adu law

1967
02:37:31,859 --> 02:37:39,540
um we have adus actually we have we
permit a lot of adus around town and

1968
02:37:37,560 --> 02:37:44,220
there's no I you know I can't charge
traffic impact fees unless they're above

1969
02:37:41,700 --> 02:37:48,000
a certain above a certain size and
that's proportional to the size of the

1970
02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:52,260
existing structure so this is a
challenge that the state of California

1971
02:37:49,319 --> 02:37:56,819
has given us right I think in this case
the roads are all right size I mean

1972
02:37:54,660 --> 02:38:02,640
there is plenty of capacity within the
project and on Niblick Road uh Creston

1973
02:38:00,479 --> 02:38:08,220
Road to handle it the excess traffic
yeah I looked at lynnae and and saw the

1974
02:38:06,479 --> 02:38:12,840
traffic numbers and the additional
traffickers and that's negligible for

1975
02:38:10,260 --> 02:38:18,600
those local roads basically
well it's still I mean it's still a

1976
02:38:14,939 --> 02:38:24,000
concern from a traffic impact standpoint
um you know I think as as time goes on

1977
02:38:20,939 --> 02:38:28,500
and we see how adus impact the city as a
whole we may we may be able to address

1978
02:38:26,399 --> 02:38:33,359
that in our circulation element you know
looking at different uh you know looking

1979
02:38:30,960 --> 02:38:38,040
at where we're going what we can expect
in the future and mitigating for that as

1980
02:38:35,880 --> 02:38:43,740
we move forward that's one potential way
to address that that's not part of this

1981
02:38:41,100 --> 02:38:47,640
plan tonight the uh that's part of the
general plan I'm bringing up something

1982
02:38:45,660 --> 02:38:53,100
that's probably Beyond well I mean I
think maybe of this just to kind of if I

1983
02:38:50,520 --> 02:38:58,080
could and tell me if I made an error but
I think the with the state promulgating

1984
02:38:55,979 --> 02:39:01,920
an Adu
um

1985
02:38:59,220 --> 02:39:07,859
requiring us to do adus we cannot
mitigate for traffic with

1986
02:39:04,680 --> 02:39:12,359
An approved Adu I think based on what
we're seeing

1987
02:39:09,420 --> 02:39:19,140
tonight the state would say that we've
actually reduced

1988
02:39:14,280 --> 02:39:30,300
the density by 27 housing units so
um because we cannot mitigate for adus

1989
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:34,920
we and we've reduced from 129 to 107.
um

1990
02:39:31,260 --> 02:39:39,420
we've actually reduced the mitigatable
if that is a word

1991
02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:44,340
um single family residence on that site
now I don't know if I got that right but

1992
02:39:42,180 --> 02:39:48,960
um it's just I think maybe a way to look
at it I think that's generally correct

1993
02:39:46,140 --> 02:39:53,640
and basically you've got to kind of
understand that for the last 60 years

1994
02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:57,540
with planning law a unit was a unit and
typically those units had to cover

1995
02:39:55,200 --> 02:40:02,460
whatever their impacts were and the
state basically decided that that wasn't

1996
02:39:59,640 --> 02:40:07,740
working any longer and that there had
been a housing crisis of such severity

1997
02:40:04,859 --> 02:40:14,100
created by implementation of those sort
of rules they basically just preempted

1998
02:40:10,979 --> 02:40:18,359
those rules which the state had created
originally as well and basically said

1999
02:40:16,140 --> 02:40:23,100
we're not going to count adus and that
you can build two adus on every single

2000
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:27,420
family lot in the state so it's not just
this project that could increase units

2001
02:40:25,500 --> 02:40:32,040
literally there's
tens ten thousand adus that can be built

2002
02:40:30,300 --> 02:40:36,000
within this town without any mitigation
measures it's probably permitted on

2003
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:39,660
existing Lots now yeah exactly so I
think so really what you have to think

2004
02:40:38,040 --> 02:40:44,220
about is
there is a potential that those units

2005
02:40:41,939 --> 02:40:48,540
create new impacts to traffic Water and
Sewer that aren't covered by our

2006
02:40:45,780 --> 02:40:53,160
standard fees and mitigations and
basically what the state said is instead

2007
02:40:51,479 --> 02:40:57,420
of the developer having to cover those
costs which has been the how we've done

2008
02:40:55,319 --> 02:41:01,439
planning for the last couple decades
it's the general Public's going to have

2009
02:40:59,580 --> 02:41:05,580
to cover that cost so if we have a
traffic problem at an intersection we're

2010
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:10,460
not going to lean on the developer to
fix it the community is going to have to

2011
02:41:07,740 --> 02:41:16,800
cover that cost I just didn't know if it
put into question of the uh

2012
02:41:14,580 --> 02:41:19,859
environmental mitigations that were a
part of a specific plan but based on

2013
02:41:18,540 --> 02:41:25,080
what you're telling me the state law
says it doesn't yeah the state says

2014
02:41:22,020 --> 02:41:30,359
doesn't adus don't count towards sequa
okay they just made that rule up and

2015
02:41:27,420 --> 02:41:35,040
that's the rule now yeah thank you my
other question I think you already the

2016
02:41:32,479 --> 02:41:39,540
gentleman already answered that these
are not going to be owned by individuals

2017
02:41:36,720 --> 02:41:45,479
they'll be owned by a management or
they'll be managed by a manager and so

2018
02:41:42,840 --> 02:41:51,000
the Adu and their primary unit won't
have one owner it'll be all the Clusters

2019
02:41:48,060 --> 02:41:56,720
will be under one ownership and they'll
rent out or right or lease out each unit

2020
02:41:54,180 --> 02:42:01,500
individually the primary unit and the
Adu yes that's the premise Adam if you

2021
02:42:00,240 --> 02:42:06,300
want to add anything to that but that is
the premise yeah

2022
02:42:04,260 --> 02:42:11,120
yeah he's spot on no he's absolutely
correct okay

2023
02:42:07,800 --> 02:42:17,280
and the uh Adu would have the open
parking space the primary residence

2024
02:42:14,160 --> 02:42:20,880
would have the covered space uh two in a
garage yeah

2025
02:42:18,960 --> 02:42:26,040
okay that's all the questions I have
thank you commissioner

2026
02:42:23,580 --> 02:42:30,720
uh I guess my question is uh with the
setbacks and you might have explained it

2027
02:42:27,960 --> 02:42:36,540
but is there an impact to certain like
backyards or side yards with the setback

2028
02:42:33,359 --> 02:42:42,240
changes or or those in locations that
aren't going to impact like the the end

2029
02:42:38,819 --> 02:42:46,319
user's property essentially
so the the

2030
02:42:44,399 --> 02:42:52,380
um variances that we're asking for on
the yards do impact the outdoor living

2031
02:42:48,840 --> 02:42:56,460
space of these homes and then that are
just they're not specifically called out

2032
02:42:54,540 --> 02:43:02,280
an amount per house in the specific plan
but they are generally regarded as this

2033
02:42:59,700 --> 02:43:08,040
yard will belong to this house
um and so it does impact that a little

2034
02:43:04,439 --> 02:43:13,439
bit and we've split those spaces up into
being some for adus and some for primary

2035
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:18,540
residences but yes that Dimension from
house to fence is is has been reduced

2036
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:21,840
from 10 to sometimes as little as eight
six

2037
02:43:20,220 --> 02:43:25,979
um so it impacts the space a little bit
but the the we really wanted to

2038
02:43:23,700 --> 02:43:29,760
illustrate we're used to working in cozy
spaces we do a lot of smaller scale

2039
02:43:27,960 --> 02:43:36,359
things and just wanted to show that it
is entirely possible to furnish enjoy

2040
02:43:32,460 --> 02:43:40,800
and um uh and live in those spaces even
if they're a little more trim than they

2041
02:43:38,580 --> 02:43:46,800
were originally proposed to me sure sure
and then uh you mentioned it but I

2042
02:43:43,920 --> 02:43:51,479
wanted how many households and total
households will this have and total

2043
02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:56,819
number of parking spots including street
parking what was the number there sure

2044
02:43:53,340 --> 02:44:02,340
so it's um and I don't have the added
number in my head but it's a total of

2045
02:43:59,160 --> 02:44:06,060
214 dwelling dwelling units half adus
half primary residences each primary

2046
02:44:04,200 --> 02:44:10,500
residence has two covered parking spaces
in a garage each accessory dwelling unit

2047
02:44:08,280 --> 02:44:15,420
has one surface space and then there's
121

2048
02:44:12,780 --> 02:44:19,740
um first come first serve guest spaces
throughout the community so it's a very

2049
02:44:17,700 --> 02:44:23,520
high total for a residential
neighborhood but it is possible guests

2050
02:44:21,479 --> 02:44:27,359
would have to travel from a get like an
off street parking fairly far to visit a

2051
02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:31,500
friend or whatever that would be like
they would it's a hypothetical

2052
02:44:28,979 --> 02:44:37,620
possibility okay
um that's all the questions I have

2053
02:44:34,800 --> 02:44:42,720
commissioner cover rubies
thank you sir

2054
02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:46,979
so I was on DRC and the first thing I
will say is I'm really happy about the

2055
02:44:44,340 --> 02:44:50,819
fencing change yes in fact I think I was
the one that brought it up

2056
02:44:48,660 --> 02:44:55,680
um some kudos to that
um Darren could you explain to me just

2057
02:44:52,800 --> 02:44:59,280
real quick the open space policy I
understand that open space has to be

2058
02:44:57,720 --> 02:45:04,380
provided for anything over 800 square
feet correct so the 80. we're talking

2059
02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:10,500
about the 80 80 uses right so if I'm
understanding the idea is that the open

2060
02:45:08,280 --> 02:45:15,080
space they're asking for the open space
the contributor to that be the clubhouse

2061
02:45:12,840 --> 02:45:21,840
be the pool area be all these other
amenities so to speak right so the open

2062
02:45:18,840 --> 02:45:28,319
space theory is not open space directly
adjacent or near the Adu is that correct

2063
02:45:25,859 --> 02:45:34,140
well the private open space I think the
intent is that it it be near and be

2064
02:45:30,780 --> 02:45:38,060
there specifically for that unit like
we're all used to having right whether

2065
02:45:36,120 --> 02:45:44,880
it's a patio or a balcony or something
so again we go back to the the Adu laws

2066
02:45:42,420 --> 02:45:53,180
and what it indicates is that if you
have an Adu 800 or less square feet

2067
02:45:50,280 --> 02:45:58,439
the city can't require
a yard area if it's going to preclude

2068
02:45:56,700 --> 02:46:04,500
someone from the being able to build
that unit they're taking away

2069
02:46:01,640 --> 02:46:11,700
development standards so that makes it
easier for people to build accessory

2070
02:46:06,780 --> 02:46:16,620
dwelling units so uh that being said so
if it's less than 800 square feet then

2071
02:46:17,300 --> 02:46:27,359
open space private open space for those
units does not have to be provided for

2072
02:46:23,220 --> 02:46:34,859
so if it's over 800 which there are 21
that are about 850 then those units is

2073
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:39,420
that's what really would come down to
this discussion with the Planning

2074
02:46:36,540 --> 02:46:45,060
Commission is for the 21 units because
technically for the 86 for that are less

2075
02:46:42,840 --> 02:46:49,680
than than 800
what they're showing is possible in

2076
02:46:47,819 --> 02:46:55,319
state the state law and even the city's
Adu law would say for those lot units

2077
02:46:52,620 --> 02:46:59,580
less than 800 we wouldn't have to
require the private open space they're

2078
02:46:58,080 --> 02:47:05,880
designing a community where there's
other places to go for common open space

2079
02:47:02,580 --> 02:47:13,439
but not private for those units
the 847 the the 21 that are over the

2080
02:47:09,540 --> 02:47:17,220
800. I think that's the question is on
those where

2081
02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:23,760
then we get into the city's ordinance
saying you need to provide uh 200 square

2082
02:47:20,580 --> 02:47:26,760
feet of private open space Darren if I
might is is

2083
02:47:25,140 --> 02:47:32,399
um I went back and double checked the
data on this and in fact the large Adu

2084
02:47:29,880 --> 02:47:36,120
is with the large primary and it's that
one that stretches along the back and it

2085
02:47:34,680 --> 02:47:40,800
actually has
um it exceeds the amount of required

2086
02:47:38,220 --> 02:47:46,020
open space adjacent to it that the
city's implementation ordinance requires

2087
02:47:42,960 --> 02:47:52,080
so you're seeing it it provides over 200
square feet it does yes 295 and that's

2088
02:47:48,420 --> 02:47:58,800
on the large yes what about the others
um the uh the others vary they have

2089
02:47:55,620 --> 02:48:03,479
um the plant twos
plant twos are uh a lot thank you very

2090
02:48:02,100 --> 02:48:06,540
much for that diagram
um

2091
02:48:04,200 --> 02:48:11,280
so can you go back one more or I can go
back one more maybe

2092
02:48:08,700 --> 02:48:14,399
uh yes okay so
nope sorry I have to go forward to the

2093
02:48:13,260 --> 02:48:19,260
other one that doesn't have all the art
data on it

2094
02:48:16,500 --> 02:48:23,340
um the one right in the middle
um sorry image nine

2095
02:48:21,540 --> 02:48:30,060
sorry for being goofy
okay so

2096
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:33,899
um for example this uh Adu has space
that would have been the primary

2097
02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:38,220
residences backyard
so that's how that works on that one

2098
02:48:35,640 --> 02:48:43,620
which is why his number is very high
um this Adu in primary have all of that

2099
02:48:41,220 --> 02:48:48,540
yard stretched out along there and
there's it's fenced in the middle

2100
02:48:45,960 --> 02:48:53,640
um so the this Adu has 295 square feet
and the primary has a large chunk there

2101
02:48:50,640 --> 02:48:58,080
as well so that's how that works the um
these two guys here are are smaller they

2102
02:48:57,000 --> 02:49:04,920
have very little they have a little
captured space there in which is um

2103
02:49:01,220 --> 02:49:09,240
that's like 150 square feet
so my question would be then on the on

2104
02:49:07,439 --> 02:49:13,859
the unit that's there next to the large
unit that has the Adu near the it looks

2105
02:49:12,600 --> 02:49:19,080
like a fence line there or something
that has the backyard where's the open

2106
02:49:16,500 --> 02:49:23,880
space for the primary unit
It's Kind It's a combination of at grade

2107
02:49:21,180 --> 02:49:27,720
and then and above grade balconies so
the primary unit has a balcony there yes

2108
02:49:26,220 --> 02:49:33,780
all the primary units have balconies
they do yeah

2109
02:49:29,819 --> 02:49:39,420
so in this in today's presentation
you're asking for the commission to make

2110
02:49:35,880 --> 02:49:47,160
an exception or to Grant an exception on
the units the Adu Adu units they do not

2111
02:49:42,359 --> 02:49:51,660
have 200 square feet of open space
private open space you're asking us to

2112
02:49:49,439 --> 02:49:56,280
allow the clubhouse I just want to make
sure I'm clear on what we're being asked

2113
02:49:53,100 --> 02:50:03,720
to do on the open space Theory right so
what it ends up being is that

2114
02:50:00,479 --> 02:50:09,899
the units less than 800.
don't have to provide it right the units

2115
02:50:06,780 --> 02:50:15,960
over he's indicating he's providing it
so he complies he's providing the 200 or

2116
02:50:12,840 --> 02:50:22,380
more square feet on a portion of the
adus correct not all of them or is that

2117
02:50:18,859 --> 02:50:30,540
on all of the adus that are over over
800. so over 800 adus square feet they

2118
02:50:28,020 --> 02:50:35,700
have 200 square feet of private open
space yes okay

2119
02:50:33,960 --> 02:50:40,319
okay if you if you read the project
description that was provided

2120
02:50:38,040 --> 02:50:44,240
it indicates that they're asking for
what they indicated was a variant so

2121
02:50:42,120 --> 02:50:51,540
that we're asking for a modification
for open space related to adus

2122
02:50:49,200 --> 02:50:55,380
I wanted to give a little more specifics
that

2123
02:50:53,220 --> 02:51:00,540
for the all the for most of them that
are over the less than 800.

2124
02:50:58,260 --> 02:51:07,500
the ordinances don't require the open
space because of the size

2125
02:51:03,780 --> 02:51:14,939
come to find out Daniel did looked at or
David I'm sorry looked at his uh plans

2126
02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:21,660
and indicated that they do or they are
providing private open space for the

2127
02:51:17,819 --> 02:51:26,280
adus that are over 800 in these plants
Okay so

2128
02:51:23,880 --> 02:51:29,640
we're not necessarily needing anything
specific from the Planning Commission on

2129
02:51:28,020 --> 02:51:34,560
open space we were able to kind of
through this process determine how each

2130
02:51:32,460 --> 02:51:39,120
of it was done
however just like the question of

2131
02:51:36,660 --> 02:51:45,840
traffic or parking or how what are these
impacts of all these units we still want

2132
02:51:41,760 --> 02:51:50,939
these folks to have a a place to to go
have you know take their dog do

2133
02:51:47,939 --> 02:51:57,779
different things that's the discussion
of the added amenities because the

2134
02:51:53,939 --> 02:52:02,279
specific plan designed for PA 13 didn't
have a clubhouse didn't have a fitness

2135
02:51:59,640 --> 02:52:05,700
didn't have the dog park all those
amenities that are being provided here

2136
02:52:04,020 --> 02:52:09,540
so
if there was a request for the Planning

2137
02:52:07,680 --> 02:52:16,800
Commission to
not allow or not require the open space

2138
02:52:12,439 --> 02:52:21,960
the the the the exchange would be these
added amenities that weren't originally

2139
02:52:18,479 --> 02:52:28,740
required for the plan was the discussion
but technically they're showing that

2140
02:52:24,479 --> 02:52:33,359
they are providing the the Open Space by
the size of the adus as well as the

2141
02:52:31,740 --> 02:52:36,140
larger ones actually physically
providing that

2142
02:52:37,080 --> 02:52:44,399
okay I appreciate that I think we're on
the same page I hope so and I would just

2143
02:52:42,180 --> 02:52:49,020
to be clear I was only referencing the
ones that were over 800 because I again

2144
02:52:47,340 --> 02:52:52,740
just want to make sure we're clear and
again just for clarity Emergency

2145
02:52:50,220 --> 02:52:56,340
Services has reviewed everything they're
good with the turn radius radiuses and

2146
02:52:55,080 --> 02:53:00,840
all of that good stuff within the
Clusters correct and they're actually we

2147
02:52:58,920 --> 02:53:06,240
have engineered plans because they're
concurrently we're working on Final maps

2148
02:53:03,600 --> 02:53:10,080
we're working on uh Improvement plans
and those have all been reviewed by

2149
02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:16,200
Emergency Services awesome
um and then last comment during DRC

2150
02:53:13,500 --> 02:53:19,500
um I had made a comment about solar and
it was something that you guys were

2151
02:53:17,520 --> 02:53:25,020
going to maybe investigate a little bit
or look into yes sir no no changes to

2152
02:53:22,500 --> 02:53:29,700
that the um
oh you know I did before I speak I got I

2153
02:53:27,300 --> 02:53:34,200
I got confused
um no I can yeah I can speak to that we

2154
02:53:32,760 --> 02:53:37,920
we are adding solar out of the problem
okay that's what I thought and I we're

2155
02:53:36,060 --> 02:53:42,080
working at two at the same time I know
that I I couldn't I got them briefly

2156
02:53:39,660 --> 02:53:47,819
confused for them
communicated again will be a huge part

2157
02:53:45,180 --> 02:53:53,460
of the problem yes okay so that is being
added yes okay all right awesome all

2158
02:53:51,359 --> 02:53:58,620
right no more questions commissioner
Copeland yes thank you just a few things

2159
02:53:56,520 --> 02:54:02,040
um What's the timing between the
construction of these units and the

2160
02:53:59,939 --> 02:54:06,899
Improvement of linear Road
Adam do you know that one

2161
02:54:04,380 --> 02:54:12,779
that that's a tough one because Danny
brose is the one who's doing the

2162
02:54:08,640 --> 02:54:16,319
Improvement to to the uh public roads
um so I I really don't know the answer

2163
02:54:14,700 --> 02:54:19,740
to that question
um

2164
02:54:17,760 --> 02:54:23,100
that's a really actually great question
that I would love to know the answer to

2165
02:54:21,000 --> 02:54:27,960
as well
let me let me phrase it a different way

2166
02:54:25,140 --> 02:54:31,500
to staff would we issue full permits
including accuracy permits without that

2167
02:54:29,640 --> 02:54:35,180
road Improvement occurring
Mark can you speak a little more into

2168
02:54:34,080 --> 02:54:39,359
your mind
oh sorry oh please did you catch the

2169
02:54:37,800 --> 02:54:44,640
question but I think we understand your
question okay

2170
02:54:40,620 --> 02:54:47,939
uh David city engineer just to read just
to um make sure I'm clear on the

2171
02:54:46,740 --> 02:54:52,920
question
it was about are we going to issue site

2172
02:54:50,220 --> 02:54:56,700
Improvement permits without Road permits
being

2173
02:54:53,939 --> 02:54:59,640
issued Mary just so I can just unclear
let me rephrase a little bit we've

2174
02:54:58,380 --> 02:55:03,720
looked at some really attractive
sections for Linnea showing all the

2175
02:55:01,979 --> 02:55:07,439
public uses within the right-of-way the
distance from the curb line to the fence

2176
02:55:05,340 --> 02:55:10,920
to these units does that happen as a
package are we going to get houses are

2177
02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:17,520
going to be built with existing Linnea
for some period of time

2178
02:55:13,560 --> 02:55:20,700
so the developer uh Olson 212 Danny
brose

2179
02:55:18,439 --> 02:55:26,640
has released
plans for both Sherwood so continuing on

2180
02:55:25,319 --> 02:55:30,120
Sherwood down
um

2181
02:55:27,240 --> 02:55:34,680
down to PA 15 maybe so we can show that
yeah there we go that'd be great

2182
02:55:32,700 --> 02:55:38,640
um so this is actually the code right
here it's currently designed to about

2183
02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:42,840
this point here they're coming in with
the rest of this design uh actually

2184
02:55:40,859 --> 02:55:47,520
comes around the corner and comes down
to Hanson at the same time Park View

2185
02:55:45,899 --> 02:55:55,260
Lane will need to be completed here
before any of these

2186
02:55:50,580 --> 02:55:59,220
are occupied same with Sherwood Road and
Airport Road and they've currently bid

2187
02:55:57,420 --> 02:56:03,960
these out and they're moving towards
construction and they've provided

2188
02:56:04,020 --> 02:56:10,500
uh they've got a contractor to do the
work so it's it all has to happen

2189
02:56:08,880 --> 02:56:16,200
together because they have because they
have to build the roads to get the water

2190
02:56:12,240 --> 02:56:19,979
to pa-13 and to get the sewer so it all
has to happen at the same time and

2191
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:23,100
they're moving forward with that okay
great that's the key to the answer I

2192
02:56:21,540 --> 02:56:26,760
guess thank you
um

2193
02:56:24,420 --> 02:56:32,520
Rental Community managed by an another
entity will they require the use of

2194
02:56:29,399 --> 02:56:37,319
garages for vehicles
um Adam you could back me up on that one

2195
02:56:33,899 --> 02:56:42,600
but the way yeah one yes is the short
answer to that yes absolutely can I just

2196
02:56:39,660 --> 02:56:49,439
want to mention one thing in a um
in a managed Community uh the um it's an

2197
02:56:46,859 --> 02:56:55,140
interest of the owners who are
attracting residents to the community to

2198
02:56:52,319 --> 02:56:58,380
have quite strict standards about what
people can do the question came up in

2199
02:56:56,880 --> 02:57:02,460
DRC can somebody park in front of their
garage door and that's one of the most

2200
02:57:00,060 --> 02:57:06,840
strictly enforced things your lease
agreement for a renter and or your HOA

2201
02:57:04,500 --> 02:57:10,620
agreement for someone else addresses
those types of things to maintain a high

2202
02:57:08,460 --> 02:57:15,140
level of I'm going to call it livability
even though that's kind of cliched

2203
02:57:13,080 --> 02:57:15,140
good

2204
02:57:15,740 --> 02:57:22,439
okay thank you because I guess the
concern I had was and I'll show I'm not

2205
02:57:21,120 --> 02:57:25,920
a native to this state but my
observation is that disproportionately

2206
02:57:24,420 --> 02:57:29,279
people use their garages here for
storage rather than for vehicles and

2207
02:57:28,080 --> 02:57:33,720
should that occur in this kind of
environment I can see the hundred and

2208
02:57:31,319 --> 02:57:38,340
whatever street spaces being gone
immediately and I can also see Adu

2209
02:57:36,840 --> 02:57:41,460
people that will have two vehicles who
will need one of those Street spaces so

2210
02:57:39,840 --> 02:57:45,600
I'm just wondering how all the parking
truly fits in the real world and I think

2211
02:57:43,859 --> 02:57:49,740
the fact that it's managed and owned by
an entity gives you a club that you

2212
02:57:47,700 --> 02:57:53,420
don't typically have and you can require
that to occur so I think that's

2213
02:57:50,880 --> 02:57:53,420
encouraging

2214
02:57:53,760 --> 02:58:00,020
um help me understand a little bit so
the previous plan that was part of the

2215
02:57:58,620 --> 02:58:05,460
specific plan for this neighborhood
showed a couple of larger neighborhood

2216
02:58:03,060 --> 02:58:08,939
park areas they were diagrammed in green
they were labeled as neighborhood parks

2217
02:58:07,200 --> 02:58:12,660
but from what I could find in going back
to the specific plan they really weren't

2218
02:58:10,680 --> 02:58:16,200
yeah it's those areas it really wasn't
articulators to what those were right

2219
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:19,500
when you looked at the Turtle Creek plan
and when you looked at the Overlook

2220
02:58:17,580 --> 02:58:23,279
there were very specific diagrammatic
things about what was going into those

2221
02:58:20,819 --> 02:58:27,000
Parks as well as listings of things so I
could understand how that occurred when

2222
02:58:25,260 --> 02:58:31,140
I look at the bedroom compositions here
plan two is three bedrooms Plan Three is

2223
02:58:29,279 --> 02:58:34,800
three bedrooms those are family units to
me they're going to be at a reasonably

2224
02:58:33,000 --> 02:58:39,180
affordable price point presumably for
the motor Court units obviously the Adu

2225
02:58:37,380 --> 02:58:44,640
is adding yet another threshold of
affordability and all of that's great

2226
02:58:41,580 --> 02:58:49,080
but I see kids in these places and I'm
not sure how the resort style meets the

2227
02:58:47,040 --> 02:58:53,520
needs of all of the kids pools great
where's the open space do they go to

2228
02:58:51,300 --> 02:58:58,979
Turtle Creek Park they cross a fairly
major significant road to get there

2229
02:58:56,000 --> 02:59:04,380
help me understand you've put in these
pocket Parts which are but Linnea how

2230
02:59:02,279 --> 02:59:08,880
has that worked for families who want to
recreate it we talked about Open Spaces

2231
02:59:06,479 --> 02:59:13,380
really the private Open Spaces not
immediately contiguous to some of these

2232
02:59:10,740 --> 02:59:16,680
units yes fenced backyards and so forth
but where is there some room to roam

2233
02:59:15,120 --> 02:59:23,760
around here does it have to go to Turtle
Creek or how is that accommodated

2234
02:59:20,279 --> 02:59:28,680
can I jump in and yesterday
um so so what we need to remember also

2235
02:59:26,220 --> 02:59:33,899
is we are a very small glimpse of a
master plan Community PA 13 is one

2236
02:59:31,080 --> 02:59:37,500
Community we have out of 26 where you've
got you know five miles of walking

2237
02:59:35,520 --> 02:59:42,479
trails you've got pickleball courts
you've got basketball courts you have

2238
02:59:39,120 --> 02:59:47,819
wide open space and vast majority of the
entire master plan community so if if

2239
02:59:45,779 --> 02:59:54,300
someone like a family is really looking
for you know uh just grass to run around

2240
02:59:51,600 --> 03:00:00,000
in the pocket parks at our first on our
PA 13 is not enough uh you can easily

2241
02:59:57,720 --> 03:00:06,359
cross the street and now you've got
Acres upon Acres of open Lush Fields

2242
03:00:03,899 --> 03:00:10,260
um you've got beautiful wineries uh of
grapes that are going to be grown by

2243
03:00:07,740 --> 03:00:13,859
Danny Rose and the association
um and you've you've got that right

2244
03:00:11,939 --> 03:00:16,220
right there within the whole master plan
community

2245
03:00:16,439 --> 03:00:23,279
okay thank you I expected that would be
the response because there is a lot of

2246
03:00:20,819 --> 03:00:27,300
open space with Turtle Creek a question
on the Overlook which lies fairly close

2247
03:00:25,500 --> 03:00:31,200
to this as well it's listed as member
parking on the site plan so I assume

2248
03:00:29,399 --> 03:00:35,760
there's a membership component to that
that is a paid component to that as part

2249
03:00:33,479 --> 03:00:39,600
of the specific plan are these people
who rent these units members that can

2250
03:00:37,800 --> 03:00:43,260
use the Overlook facilities also for
recreation

2251
03:00:41,040 --> 03:00:45,840
that is correct okay without additional
fear it's built into their lease

2252
03:00:44,700 --> 03:00:49,380
agreements
it's built into their lease agreements

2253
03:00:47,640 --> 03:00:52,500
okay that's great that's another measure
of open space that's helpful great thank

2254
03:00:51,060 --> 03:00:54,620
you I think that's all my questions for
now

2255
03:00:55,560 --> 03:01:02,540
um I do have a question we have
commented on the ability of these to be

2256
03:01:01,560 --> 03:01:08,100
sold
the potential

2257
03:01:04,800 --> 03:01:14,640
um and if that is with those adus be
deep restricted to be

2258
03:01:10,500 --> 03:01:20,399
remain rental as part of the
um you know that building unit

2259
03:01:18,060 --> 03:01:27,240
um or would they end up being sold
separately and then the Adu is gone

2260
03:01:24,300 --> 03:01:33,540
so so per state law we are not allowed
to subdivide the Adu from the primary

2261
03:01:30,240 --> 03:01:36,359
residence so if if they ever were to be
sold which

2262
03:01:35,040 --> 03:01:40,200
um we've even talked about putting a
deed restriction where the entire

2263
03:01:38,279 --> 03:01:44,819
Community would have to be sold as one
Community uh to ease to ease the

2264
03:01:42,660 --> 03:01:50,220
council's kind of concern on that matter
um but but if if for whatever reason

2265
03:01:47,880 --> 03:01:54,720
that doesn't happen and let's say you
know 20 years from now a developer buys

2266
03:01:52,560 --> 03:01:59,040
a community and wants to sell individual
Lots they only want to sell half the

2267
03:01:56,160 --> 03:02:02,160
community they would have to sell it as
per the subdivision map that's being

2268
03:02:00,779 --> 03:02:05,100
approved
great thank you

2269
03:02:04,200 --> 03:02:09,960
um
so

2270
03:02:06,420 --> 03:02:17,819
we essentially have taken away 22 units
to those 22 units then go back into the

2271
03:02:14,100 --> 03:02:23,100
pool of units available to the channel
or specific plan or do they go back that

2272
03:02:20,700 --> 03:02:27,600
is actually correct yeah no that's and
we're talking with shea right now who is

2273
03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:30,439
essentially wanting those units to add
to their pas

2274
03:02:31,560 --> 03:02:36,899
um and now for staff I'm going to geek
out a little bit

2275
03:02:35,220 --> 03:02:44,399
um
this 107 adus

2276
03:02:40,880 --> 03:02:49,319
will add to our Arena allocation
correct

2277
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:54,899
um do we know where they will fall will
they fall in the low or even moderate

2278
03:02:53,040 --> 03:03:00,660
um on the arena
scale

2279
03:02:56,580 --> 03:03:04,200
I think it's adus by Design or the lower
income is that correct I think in the

2280
03:03:02,760 --> 03:03:08,580
housing element there's certain
assumptions where certain percentages

2281
03:03:06,300 --> 03:03:13,260
are allocated to moderate and certain to
low so we will just that's the

2282
03:03:11,160 --> 03:03:17,100
assumption is as they're built or
they'll just fall into those categories

2283
03:03:15,000 --> 03:03:21,300
by default based on the market studies
that were done during the um housing

2284
03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:26,040
element preparation I would probably
guess they end up in the moderate

2285
03:03:24,359 --> 03:03:31,140
well I think we're just going to use
what the market rate assumptions were

2286
03:03:28,800 --> 03:03:35,160
when the housing element was done so if
we produce 100 we'll look at that market

2287
03:03:33,300 --> 03:03:41,760
study that was done and go okay this
percent qualifies for low this is uh

2288
03:03:38,939 --> 03:03:47,359
moderate and that's what we'll file we
aren't going to go back and try to see

2289
03:03:43,920 --> 03:03:47,359
what things are actually renting for

2290
03:03:47,460 --> 03:03:59,880
okay so even though it may not be low
um we would assign it low yes so the

2291
03:03:56,880 --> 03:04:05,279
housing element when it was certified
made certain assumptions that Adu

2292
03:04:02,819 --> 03:04:08,399
production was going to be spread among
these categories so we'll just follow

2293
03:04:07,020 --> 03:04:12,240
that through the whole housing element
cycle thank you

2294
03:04:10,680 --> 03:04:15,600
um and that's all the geeking out I'm
going to do to this evening

2295
03:04:14,279 --> 03:04:21,300
um so
um open it up to public comment and

2296
03:04:18,300 --> 03:04:24,979
since we're ultimately almost lonely in
the chamber um

2297
03:04:26,479 --> 03:04:32,399
hearing none I will close public comment
and bring it back to the commission for

2298
03:04:31,140 --> 03:04:37,439
comments
um commissioner Marla any comments

2299
03:04:35,220 --> 03:04:41,580
no comments no commissioner Conley any
further comments well I just thought of

2300
03:04:39,359 --> 03:04:45,720
something kind of minor but we're all
kind of going to electric cars I was

2301
03:04:43,859 --> 03:04:53,460
wondering if they'll be 240 in the
garage that's maybe too detailed to ask

2302
03:04:49,620 --> 03:04:57,540
that with solar power maybe 240 level 2
Charging for electric cars

2303
03:04:55,560 --> 03:05:02,840
I suspect that would be a great amenity
for the folks running the place and that

2304
03:04:59,520 --> 03:05:02,840
may be a thought yeah yeah

2305
03:05:04,260 --> 03:05:10,740
commissioner Christmas
thank you

2306
03:05:09,479 --> 03:05:16,140
um
some of my comments are

2307
03:05:13,140 --> 03:05:22,260
I like the design it's a nice design I'm
I am disappointed in

2308
03:05:19,380 --> 03:05:25,020
um the compactness of it I feel like
it's gone away from a little bit of the

2309
03:05:23,939 --> 03:05:30,240
spirit of the specific plan
unfortunately when the specific plan was

2310
03:05:27,420 --> 03:05:34,560
approved the new Adu laws weren't in
place uh in the in the form that they

2311
03:05:33,240 --> 03:05:39,720
are today
uh which is honestly taken a lot away

2312
03:05:37,319 --> 03:05:46,140
from the city and the way they I feel
have the ability to manage certain

2313
03:05:41,220 --> 03:05:51,899
things so for me that's that's a um a
disappointment uh I am glad to hear that

2314
03:05:48,600 --> 03:05:57,600
the larger adus do get their 200 square
feet of private uh private open space I

2315
03:05:55,500 --> 03:06:03,960
don't believe that common open space
particularly in this development

2316
03:06:00,000 --> 03:06:06,779
um is actually very accommodating as one
of the other Commissioners pointed out

2317
03:06:05,100 --> 03:06:11,880
there's really not a lot of park space
and you're asking families to really uh

2318
03:06:09,540 --> 03:06:17,340
Transit out of the community whether
it's walking biking or what have you to

2319
03:06:14,520 --> 03:06:23,760
another location which that that
Community was designed for that which I

2320
03:06:20,399 --> 03:06:28,680
uh I believe was a good concept I'm
having a really hard time with this

2321
03:06:25,380 --> 03:06:35,160
density for several reasons
um the variance allows that to happen is

2322
03:06:32,760 --> 03:06:38,880
what it seems like to me
um and as a planning commissioner we

2323
03:06:37,439 --> 03:06:41,819
don't get many
um

2324
03:06:39,720 --> 03:06:47,100
many things to say about a track like
this as they circumvent and add a

2325
03:06:45,240 --> 03:06:51,479
tremendous amount of units which I
wouldn't say that the city doesn't need

2326
03:06:48,600 --> 03:06:54,600
the units we do need the units and I was
really hoping that this project would be

2327
03:06:53,340 --> 03:06:59,100
again
um affordable housing for people to buy

2328
03:06:56,660 --> 03:07:03,899
uh I think that that was something I was
really hoping for with the specific plan

2329
03:07:01,319 --> 03:07:07,560
as well as I was many people commented
with me publicly about that and they

2330
03:07:05,760 --> 03:07:11,160
were excited that we would have that
opportunity which it doesn't seem like

2331
03:07:09,720 --> 03:07:13,680
in some of these cases that's going to
happen

2332
03:07:12,840 --> 03:07:18,560
um
I'm not in favor of allowing for their

2333
03:07:15,720 --> 03:07:23,700
variances I think that
it alludes to us

2334
03:07:21,420 --> 03:07:28,979
being in favor of the impact that this
will will give the city and personally I

2335
03:07:26,520 --> 03:07:33,420
think I get it it's a smart work around
in a lot of ways

2336
03:07:30,600 --> 03:07:39,300
um and I'm not opposed to adus I'm a big
fan of adus but in this case I feel like

2337
03:07:36,359 --> 03:07:43,800
we've just gone too far but it's not
because the adus I think it's because

2338
03:07:41,100 --> 03:07:46,680
the compactness the tightness of this
development

2339
03:07:45,779 --> 03:07:50,520
um
the other aspect is the concerning thing

2340
03:07:48,840 --> 03:07:55,500
with the overall
introduction of so many uh homes and

2341
03:07:53,819 --> 03:08:00,960
again this is something that the state
has taken away from the city uh but you

2342
03:07:58,080 --> 03:08:07,740
know planning fees uh the impact on on
our infrastructure our water sewer uh

2343
03:08:04,859 --> 03:08:12,420
the streets and and I understand that um
uh you know David's point that that you

2344
03:08:10,439 --> 03:08:17,220
know we can handle it but can we handle
the next you know 100 200 300 adus

2345
03:08:15,479 --> 03:08:22,680
potentially
um don't know and and maybe that's

2346
03:08:19,260 --> 03:08:30,180
something that I will live to see but um
in my in my view I'm not in favor of the

2347
03:08:26,399 --> 03:08:34,020
of the variances for the setbacks and
um I do like the design style I think

2348
03:08:32,040 --> 03:08:38,100
it's a very nice design style I like
that they went with just the modern

2349
03:08:35,100 --> 03:08:42,359
Farmhouse I like that they're using some
different elevations to do that some of

2350
03:08:40,260 --> 03:08:47,399
the other design features like front
decks as open space I don't know I've

2351
03:08:45,960 --> 03:08:52,680
seen a lot of houses nobody ever really
uses that five feet of space but um I

2352
03:08:50,939 --> 03:08:55,979
could be wrong in that as well too so
those are my comments at this point in

2353
03:08:54,180 --> 03:09:01,939
time and I'm welcome to uh to hear
anybody as Elsa's comments

2354
03:08:58,500 --> 03:09:01,939
commissioner kobler

2355
03:09:02,580 --> 03:09:09,779
um I was on DRC when I saw this as well
and and actually the staff report talked

2356
03:09:07,800 --> 03:09:12,779
about how DRC was generally in favor and
I think that's an accurate statement but

2357
03:09:11,399 --> 03:09:15,540
we also sent it to the full Planning
Commission because there's a lot of

2358
03:09:13,859 --> 03:09:20,580
details associated with this thing that
needed to be discussed by six or seven

2359
03:09:17,760 --> 03:09:24,540
of us instead of just three of us part
of that was born from some of the

2360
03:09:22,439 --> 03:09:27,600
frustration I have and it's not geared
towards this project or this applicant

2361
03:09:25,859 --> 03:09:31,020
at all but it's with the mandates by the
states that we're forced into certain

2362
03:09:29,220 --> 03:09:36,060
things I won't pontificate on that it's
already been covered but it leads me to

2363
03:09:34,080 --> 03:09:41,760
have concerns about from a density
perspective not not counting the adus as

2364
03:09:38,819 --> 03:09:45,420
a density in numeric form but simply the
physical context of putting these units

2365
03:09:43,620 --> 03:09:49,020
together the Open Spaces the driveways
the parking spaces the entries the

2366
03:09:47,520 --> 03:09:53,520
distance and walking dentures and so
forth this is a very very compressed

2367
03:09:51,720 --> 03:09:56,700
compact development more so than we've
seen

2368
03:09:54,720 --> 03:10:00,600
um I I think it's analogous some of the
things you see in slow but I don't think

2369
03:09:58,200 --> 03:10:05,760
Paso has seen a development that will be
this quite and I'll use the word intense

2370
03:10:02,340 --> 03:10:09,899
instead of dense purposely and so I I
get down to the point of looking at the

2371
03:10:07,680 --> 03:10:14,700
the variances are being requested and I
think in one half I say to myself we can

2372
03:10:12,840 --> 03:10:19,260
actually hold this project to standards
which may mean a change in the atus

2373
03:10:17,520 --> 03:10:22,800
then I look at the numbers and the
numbers the variance that we're talking

2374
03:10:20,880 --> 03:10:26,939
about you know it's a foot here or there
it's it's a foot and a half

2375
03:10:24,600 --> 03:10:30,540
in this spot and it's 22 inches in this
spot and I'm just paraphrasing and I

2376
03:10:29,040 --> 03:10:35,460
really have a problem saying that that's
enough of a discrepancy that I would say

2377
03:10:33,240 --> 03:10:40,620
that this project doesn't work so I
think it works I I think the design team

2378
03:10:37,740 --> 03:10:46,260
has done a good job designing as best
you can within again what I think it is

2379
03:10:43,380 --> 03:10:50,040
a very tight community and it's one that
I I will support but I do have some

2380
03:10:48,180 --> 03:10:54,960
significant concerns along the lines of
what my other fellow Commissioners or

2381
03:10:52,080 --> 03:11:00,200
commissioner has outlined with the the
overall aspects of the project itself

2382
03:10:56,819 --> 03:11:00,200
and the way it works and feels

2383
03:11:00,240 --> 03:11:07,319
and commissioner cover Ruiz thank you
yeah it's interesting because I was also

2384
03:11:04,080 --> 03:11:14,220
on DRC and I'm remembering a lot of the
conversation that took place and uh the

2385
03:11:11,700 --> 03:11:18,060
dense nature of the entire project I in
fact I literally remember making the

2386
03:11:15,960 --> 03:11:21,060
comment where are these kids going to
play are they going to be playing in the

2387
03:11:19,680 --> 03:11:27,540
sidewalk and they're going to be playing
in the street in the parking area I was

2388
03:11:23,640 --> 03:11:34,500
concerned then as I am now that it is a
lot in a very compact area however

2389
03:11:32,279 --> 03:11:39,960
affordable housing is something that we
direly direly need in Paso Robles I do

2390
03:11:38,100 --> 03:11:46,080
like commissioner Christensen mentioned
I do wish that these were homes for sale

2391
03:11:43,520 --> 03:11:50,520
because that's another issue we have is
people being able to afford to buy in

2392
03:11:48,779 --> 03:11:55,500
our community we need to keep the people
here and in order to keep them here they

2393
03:11:53,040 --> 03:11:59,340
got to be able to afford to purchase and
I wish that were the case and I think

2394
03:11:58,200 --> 03:12:05,340
that's just going to be a battle we're
going to have for a long time coming

2395
03:12:02,520 --> 03:12:10,740
The Farmhouse look I like it I think the
design of the units I like it's it's not

2396
03:12:08,520 --> 03:12:14,880
the units themselves that it that I have
an issue with it is how compact

2397
03:12:12,840 --> 03:12:21,240
everything is kind of put in the area
and and for the sake of of continuously

2398
03:12:19,080 --> 03:12:26,520
echoing what fellow Commissioners have
already alluded to it's just it's a lot

2399
03:12:23,700 --> 03:12:30,840
in one spot
and and not sure in this case like

2400
03:12:28,979 --> 03:12:35,399
commissioner kogler has mentioned you
know that this minor setback request

2401
03:12:33,180 --> 03:12:39,540
okay is that a make or break type
scenario I don't think so I think it's

2402
03:12:38,040 --> 03:12:46,080
livable
um I just wish there was more space I

2403
03:12:43,500 --> 03:12:51,540
mean it's such a nice area I wish there
was more space just in general and

2404
03:12:49,380 --> 03:12:55,939
everything wasn't so compact
um

2405
03:12:52,380 --> 03:12:55,939
and I guess I'll leave it at that

2406
03:12:56,700 --> 03:13:02,160
so
I agree with many of the comments from

2407
03:13:00,420 --> 03:13:08,760
my fellow Commissioners
um I do think that if if Paso Robles is

2408
03:13:06,120 --> 03:13:13,620
going to get affordable housing
um I think we need to think about a more

2409
03:13:11,520 --> 03:13:17,399
dense Community
um and it may not be something we're

2410
03:13:15,000 --> 03:13:20,700
used to may not be something we like but
it may be some some place where we have

2411
03:13:19,439 --> 03:13:24,899
to go
um

2412
03:13:22,080 --> 03:13:29,819
I am not fond of the state promulgating
the Adu rules

2413
03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:33,359
um I think Paso Robles is being punished
along

2414
03:13:30,840 --> 03:13:37,319
with other communities for
some of those communities that had

2415
03:13:35,279 --> 03:13:41,760
exclusionary
building practices and that's

2416
03:13:40,080 --> 03:13:48,660
disappointing
um but in the end I I do compliment the

2417
03:13:45,620 --> 03:13:52,500
applicant for thinking ever so slightly
outside of the box and being able to

2418
03:13:50,880 --> 03:13:57,660
increase the density of their project
legally significantly

2419
03:13:55,620 --> 03:14:05,479
um I I think that is
um a well-thought plan so with that I

2420
03:14:02,340 --> 03:14:05,479
will entertain a motion

2421
03:14:11,880 --> 03:14:20,160
okay
I'm happy to make a motion

2422
03:14:16,859 --> 03:14:24,260
commissioner cover rubies uh I move that
we approved draft resolution a approving

2423
03:14:22,260 --> 03:14:28,220
vesting tentative track map
3213 and

2424
03:14:28,520 --> 03:14:35,040
pd22-166 subject to the site-specific
conditions of approval

2425
03:14:33,540 --> 03:14:40,380
we have a motion do we have a second
I'll say

2426
03:14:37,200 --> 03:14:45,660
any further comment
uh roll call please

2427
03:14:42,720 --> 03:14:50,580
commissioner cover rubius
aye commissioner Connolly

2428
03:14:48,240 --> 03:14:55,620
aye commissioner Marlowe
aye

2429
03:14:51,899 --> 03:14:58,680
commissioner Christensen no
commissioner kobler

2430
03:14:57,300 --> 03:15:05,540
aye
chairperson Neil

2431
03:15:00,840 --> 03:15:05,540
aye motion passes five to one

2432
03:15:12,960 --> 03:15:15,979
all right

2433
03:15:19,380 --> 03:15:25,340
I think we're on to the consent agenda
as soon as I can get to the agenda

2434
03:15:30,300 --> 03:15:37,020
um I do have
um a clarification for February 6 DRC

2435
03:15:35,220 --> 03:15:41,399
meeting I believe that was the meeting
where I was having incredible technical

2436
03:15:38,640 --> 03:15:45,319
difficulties and I didn't actually join
the meeting so if we can um

2437
03:15:45,540 --> 03:15:55,040
line me out that would be great
so do I have a motion to approve the

2438
03:15:50,880 --> 03:16:00,200
consent so moved I'll second that
any discussion

2439
03:15:57,240 --> 03:16:00,200
roll call please

2440
03:16:01,410 --> 03:16:04,469
[Applause]

2441
03:16:06,300 --> 03:16:13,020
I was getting that correction tracked
okay who was the first on that cogler

2442
03:16:10,020 --> 03:16:13,020
Christensen

2443
03:16:16,920 --> 03:16:22,920
all right commissioner kogler
aye commissioner Christensen aye

2444
03:16:21,120 --> 03:16:30,420
commissioner Connolly aye commissioner
Marlow aye commissioner code rubius aye

2445
03:16:25,439 --> 03:16:36,240
chairperson Neil aye passes 6-0 with the
amendment and on to other reports

2446
03:16:32,939 --> 03:16:40,700
passable street ad hoc I I see that
there's a meeting next week

2447
03:16:38,520 --> 03:16:46,859
two weeks
27th 27th of the month so I suspect

2448
03:16:44,279 --> 03:16:51,540
there's not an update
yeah we're working on that we do have a

2449
03:16:49,020 --> 03:16:57,600
vacancy on that ad hoc committee so we
are looking to appoint a member to serve

2450
03:16:54,240 --> 03:17:03,359
on that and attend that next meeting
I'd be willing to do that yeah

2451
03:17:00,779 --> 03:17:06,300
anybody else like to attend
sir

2452
03:17:04,620 --> 03:17:09,560
saying none
hmm

2453
03:17:08,040 --> 03:17:15,200
Mr Christensen
you're on it

2454
03:17:11,580 --> 03:17:15,200
so excited thank you guys

2455
03:17:15,420 --> 03:17:23,520
um well we're already almost done
that's why I'm excited I'm super excited

2456
03:17:20,660 --> 03:17:26,180
if you're getting one because you think
we're almost done

2457
03:17:26,720 --> 03:17:35,100
yeah famous last words
[Laughter]

2458
03:17:32,819 --> 03:17:39,660
constraints and opportunities committee
zoning code update report I can hardly

2459
03:17:37,439 --> 03:17:43,140
wait to read that yeah no no report
tonight we're continuing to just work

2460
03:17:41,340 --> 03:17:49,740
with a consultant on that
so development Review Committee rotation

2461
03:17:46,140 --> 03:17:54,300
schedule uh March is cochlear Neil and
Christensen we were lucky enough to get

2462
03:17:52,140 --> 03:17:59,580
a reprieve yesterday
um but any conflicts in the next month

2463
03:17:56,880 --> 03:18:05,359
or two the only conflict I have I
believe is in April and I want to say

2464
03:18:01,920 --> 03:18:05,359
it's the 17th

2465
03:18:06,120 --> 03:18:13,340
yes it would be the 17th
I won't be available for that one if

2466
03:18:10,319 --> 03:18:13,340
someone can cover for me

2467
03:18:16,680 --> 03:18:23,340
I I can do that
okay thank you commissioner

2468
03:18:21,420 --> 03:18:29,880
and I might be getting way ahead of
myself but I I am scheduled to be out of

2469
03:18:26,160 --> 03:18:34,500
town on Monday the 16th of October holy
smokes yep I know but we can wait for

2470
03:18:32,220 --> 03:18:38,180
that if we need to but I just already
know because I just booked my airfare

2471
03:18:35,939 --> 03:18:38,180
yesterday

2472
03:18:41,779 --> 03:18:49,680
for that
we sleep well at night though I can

2473
03:18:46,560 --> 03:18:53,580
probably cover that one for you
and now on to planning Commissioners

2474
03:18:52,200 --> 03:18:58,439
comments
um commissioner Marla

2475
03:18:55,859 --> 03:19:03,840
uh no comments just uh appreciate being
here thanks commissioner Connell yeah

2476
03:19:01,319 --> 03:19:09,120
thank you for uh allowing some mistakes
for for a new commissioners

2477
03:19:06,960 --> 03:19:12,779
commissioner Christensen
I want to say great job you guys did

2478
03:19:11,100 --> 03:19:16,140
well so I don't think there's really any
mistakes your first time is there I

2479
03:19:14,640 --> 03:19:21,479
don't think there you can have as many
as you want really yeah I always keep in

2480
03:19:19,020 --> 03:19:24,840
score no no I haven't kept scoring I
keep making them all the time and I want

2481
03:19:23,160 --> 03:19:28,620
to thank all the rest Commissioners uh
there was a lot on the on the on the

2482
03:19:26,880 --> 03:19:33,420
agenda tonight and I think we did a good
job so thank you

2483
03:19:30,479 --> 03:19:37,020
commissioner kogler I also would
compliment the two new members you did

2484
03:19:35,460 --> 03:19:41,340
your homework you really jumped in you
were appropriate with your discussions

2485
03:19:38,220 --> 03:19:45,960
your points and welcome aboard
commissioner cover yeah I was at the uh

2486
03:19:43,500 --> 03:19:49,740
at the dinner and got a chance to meet
you guys it was a pleasure meeting you

2487
03:19:47,399 --> 03:19:53,350
but uh welcome aboard officially so
appreciate it and I would like to Echo

2488
03:19:52,380 --> 03:19:57,920
the same and again
[Music]

2489
03:19:55,080 --> 03:20:01,979
give a sincere gratitude to commissioner
kogler for spending two years in the

2490
03:20:00,840 --> 03:20:05,399
seat
um

2491
03:20:02,580 --> 03:20:10,500
uh we we all appreciate it very much I
think it was a good two years of great

2492
03:20:07,859 --> 03:20:15,420
very well-run meetings
um and again thank you so much

2493
03:20:13,260 --> 03:20:18,540
um staff comments
got a couple quick things we would also

2494
03:20:17,220 --> 03:20:21,960
like to welcome the new Commissioners
congratulations

2495
03:20:19,859 --> 03:20:26,939
um this was a tough agenda tonight so
everybody did really well on that and

2496
03:20:24,120 --> 03:20:30,899
the new chair congratulations as well
um we do have the Planning Commission

2497
03:20:28,319 --> 03:20:33,359
Academy coming up Marcy is that all
coordinated

2498
03:20:32,040 --> 03:20:38,220
we have
Commissioners Marlow and Connolly signed

2499
03:20:36,300 --> 03:20:43,140
up I'm working with our finance
department to get everything all tied up

2500
03:20:40,500 --> 03:20:47,160
you know in a nice bow for you so once I
have that I will get that over to you

2501
03:20:44,939 --> 03:20:51,660
but we do have you at least booked at a
place to stay so far so

2502
03:20:49,800 --> 03:20:54,720
and that is a really great conference I
think you folks will you guys will learn

2503
03:20:53,340 --> 03:21:00,720
a ton
um but I think I went my first year and

2504
03:20:58,200 --> 03:21:06,740
I've been able to pry away time since
but it really is a useful time

2505
03:21:04,140 --> 03:21:13,279
and where is it this year
oh I'm sorry

2506
03:21:09,620 --> 03:21:13,279
actually Disneyland

2507
03:21:13,880 --> 03:21:22,439
it's that close
all right

2508
03:21:18,979 --> 03:21:25,740
a couple other things just um you've
probably all been noticing that the

2509
03:21:23,819 --> 03:21:30,479
river's been at record high levels on
and off for the last couple weeks we

2510
03:21:28,140 --> 03:21:35,160
have been monitoring that closely we've
been periodically activating the

2511
03:21:32,460 --> 03:21:39,180
Emergency Operations Center we thought
it was going to flood today it looks

2512
03:21:36,600 --> 03:21:42,779
like it didn't get that high but we're
going to watch it next week there's

2513
03:21:40,500 --> 03:21:50,399
another round of storms coming through I
think it in January it hit basically 32

2514
03:21:47,399 --> 03:21:57,899
feet at the 13th Street Bridge which is
basically a 100 year flood level

2515
03:21:53,300 --> 03:22:03,300
last week it hit 29 feet so it was just
at the base flood level So based on that

2516
03:22:00,899 --> 03:22:06,899
we do have evacuation protocols now for
all the neighborhoods that are kind of

2517
03:22:04,740 --> 03:22:10,080
right next to it both the industrial and
residential neighborhoods so we're

2518
03:22:08,520 --> 03:22:14,880
hoping that you know that's the highest
that we will we will have seen those are

2519
03:22:13,080 --> 03:22:21,200
records that we haven't seen since like
95 or 69 but this is an unusual year but

2520
03:22:19,020 --> 03:22:28,620
we're monitoring that
so other things going on your next

2521
03:22:24,420 --> 03:22:35,640
meeting will be on March 28th so we've
got a new software system for digital

2522
03:22:32,760 --> 03:22:41,100
um distribution and production of
agendas the council's been using it for

2523
03:22:38,040 --> 03:22:44,880
about a month or two now the next agenda
will be the first test for the Planning

2524
03:22:42,779 --> 03:22:49,260
Commission you won't actually notice a
difference but it does change some stuff

2525
03:22:46,439 --> 03:22:54,000
in terms of how we produce it also makes
a lot easier to distribute and view the

2526
03:22:52,260 --> 03:22:58,380
agenda digitally I know we've had
discussions in the past about digital

2527
03:22:55,979 --> 03:23:01,859
agenda packets for the commission so
that's probably something we'll want to

2528
03:22:59,760 --> 03:23:06,600
revisit after we've gotten this new
escribe system up and running so just be

2529
03:23:05,160 --> 03:23:12,120
aware things might look a little
different next time fonts and things

2530
03:23:08,819 --> 03:23:15,840
like that that's why that is
um other projects on that agenda I think

2531
03:23:14,460 --> 03:23:21,840
we're going to have the annual General
plan report for you to look at we have a

2532
03:23:19,739 --> 03:23:26,460
multi-family residential project North
Spring Street that's scheduled looks

2533
03:23:24,300 --> 03:23:31,620
like a mini storage on Nutwood will
likely be on the agenda and then the red

2534
03:23:29,279 --> 03:23:36,180
tail two apartments on Rolling Hills and
Creston Road may be on the agenda as

2535
03:23:34,200 --> 03:23:40,859
well so it should be another healthy
agenda for you all

2536
03:23:37,920 --> 03:23:46,260
and any other comments uh District
tonight uh this pa-13

2537
03:23:43,880 --> 03:23:50,520
there will be other projects like it
with adus there will be other projects

2538
03:23:49,020 --> 03:23:57,600
like it that
could stay at the plant at the DRC level

2539
03:23:52,939 --> 03:24:01,319
just this project came up because of the
request for setback reductions and

2540
03:23:59,279 --> 03:24:06,359
things if it didn't need setback
reductions it's possible it could have

2541
03:24:03,540 --> 03:24:12,859
just stayed at the DRC so just keep that
in mind we are going to have other uh

2542
03:24:08,939 --> 03:24:19,739
planning areas with similar requests
and uh we the other one that's going to

2543
03:24:16,859 --> 03:24:25,680
be coming up is that planning area I
think it's uh 15 and 18 Shea Homes there

2544
03:24:23,340 --> 03:24:29,939
are more of your six or seven thousand
square foot Lots single family home type

2545
03:24:27,960 --> 03:24:35,660
development so I think that'll be the
next project probably probably within a

2546
03:24:32,279 --> 03:24:39,899
month or so that'll be coming to PRC
and then just one final item the

2547
03:24:38,460 --> 03:24:46,140
Planning Commission approved that
Thorndike development plan on Wisteria

2548
03:24:42,420 --> 03:24:50,220
and germane we did get an appeal for one
of the conditions of approval so we're

2549
03:24:48,300 --> 03:24:54,540
working on that for the next Council
agenda so we do expect that appeal to be

2550
03:24:52,439 --> 03:24:58,140
heard next week at city council and
we'll keep you apprised at the results

2551
03:24:55,859 --> 03:25:03,359
on that that conclude status report
great thank you very much do I have a

2552
03:25:00,300 --> 03:25:07,460
motion to adjourn to adjourn and let's
just all say I as a second

2553
03:25:08,760 --> 03:25:12,080
thank you very much everybody