[0:03] No? Okay. Then I'll go ahead and second the motion. We'll do a voice vote.
[0:08] All those in favor of awarding Paris Shaw with PRBC Award, say aye.
[0:14] Aye.
[0:14] Aye. All those opposed. A four-zero vote.
[0:19] We'll be awarding Paris Shaw with PRBC Award.
[0:23] Are there any questions or comments for this agenda item?
[0:26] I have one. Oh.
[0:29] Go ahead.
[0:29] Oh, when can we expect that to be on the agenda?
[0:33] That's-
[0:33] Because I would like to be there to help give out.
[0:35] Yeah. That was going to be my question.
[0:37] Okay. And I want to make sure that we get some of his-
[0:40] I'll follow up with Araceli
[0:41] ... players, athletes.
[0:43] We'll follow up with Araceli-
[0:44] Okay
[0:44] ... and see when that can be put onto the agenda, then she'll be in touch with you.
[0:49] Okay.
[0:49] And John, you can follow up with her.
[0:51] That would be great. And then, will she contact him?
[0:53] Do I need to provide his contact information, or should I contact him and let him
[0:57] know?
[0:57] Do you want to communicate between Araceli and Candace, and then-
[1:00] Yeah.
[1:01] Okay.
[1:01] Yeah, just forward the information, let them know who's-
[1:03] Okay, got it.
[1:05] In the chain.
[1:06] Okay. Should I also come up with a proclamation thing that is read, or is that
[1:11] something their office will do?
[1:13] No.
[1:13] I don't remember how we've done it.
[1:14] That'll be with Araceli. Usually, they have a preprinted, um, proclamation.
[1:18] Perfect. So I'll just give her what we have here, and then she's the... Perfect.
[1:22] Thank you.
[1:25] Anything else for this agenda item?
[1:28] Then we will be moving on to agenda item 7C, Intern Director Velarde present
[1:33] Paterson Inclusive Community Playground Project.
[1:37] So, a number of weeks ago,
[1:40] Kimberly, and I don't know how to pronounce this, pronounce her name, but Weiser.
[1:43] Mm-hmm.
[1:43] Kimberly Weiser came and presented to the city, uh, the city manager, myself,
[1:50] and I believe, but I can't remember the other person.
[1:53] Gabby.
[1:53] Um, so Gabby was there, but someone else was at the tables. Oh, Ryan. Ryan Sass.
[1:59] Uh,
[2:01] so at that meeting, she presented a proposition to look into a
[2:07] Paterson Inclusive Community Playground Project.
[2:09] She presented it to us, and I recommended that she come here to present it to the
[2:14] commission so that you guys could weigh in.
[2:18] Um, so she'll do her presentation tonight, and then she's going to be asking for a
[2:23] recommendation to either pursue the project or not.
[2:26] But I also want to add a little more context behind that.
[2:29] So even if we do pursue the project, depending on what, which playground is
[2:33] selected and what not, there's still other process that has to happen.
[2:37] So, um, there's still budgeting and a lot of other things that have to happen.
[2:42] So it was really recommended just for the city to continue to pursue, we need to do
[2:47] the research that's necessary to see whether, uh, this is possible given all the
[2:53] material circumstances like money, budget, district areas, so on and so forth.
[2:58] So just so you're clear on the, um, project itself and what we would do afterwards.
[3:04] But I'll go ahead and turn it over to Kimberly for the presentation.
[3:08] Right.
[3:09] Yeah.
[3:09] Go for it.
[3:10] Yeah, right there.
[3:12] The voting should work, right?
[3:14] Yeah.
[3:14] Perfect.
[3:15] Okay.
[3:16] Change the slide.
[3:18] Yeah, there might be a button up there on that microphone.
[3:20] Press
[3:23] it.
[3:24] Did it turn green?
[3:25] It'll turn green.
[3:26] Okay.
[3:27] Or not.
[3:29] You guys have everything here?
[3:31] Good evening. My name is Kimberly Weiser, and I'm president of ACT, Autism
[3:36] Connection plus Special Needs. Thank you, Xavier, for inviting me to share this
[3:41] project. We are not asking the city to choose a park or approve the final design
[3:45] tonight. We are asking the city to recognize that it's a need, and to work with ACT
[3:50] and local families on the right location, realistic phases, and a clear next step.
[3:57] Why it is a need. Some families cannot safely
[4:01] use an open playground. A child may run towards a street or water, have limited
[4:07] danger awareness, use mobility equipment, or become overwhelmed.
[4:12] A fence does not replace supervision.
[4:14] It gives families another layer of safety and more time to respond.
[4:19] The packet that you each have there includes research, local information, and bill
[4:24] details for you to review. As I go over those pieces of it
[4:30] tonight, you guys will have those to take with you.
[4:34] I'd like to introduce
[4:37] Michelle. She is a local mom with special needs kids if she becomes here. Sorry.
[4:43] Okay.
[4:49] Go on, honey.
[4:51] That is, talk, go ahead.
[4:53] Yeah.
[4:53] I just want to shout this off my head.
[4:54] Uh, so I have two daughters, both have autism.
[4:57] My oldest daughter also has a physical disability, which requires her to use a
[5:01] wheelchair for mobility. And unfortunately, in Paterson, um, we don't have an
[5:06] inclusive playground, so we want to access a playground that she can use with her
[5:09] wheelchair and also keep her safe in an enclosed, gated space because she's a
[5:14] lover. And she also wanders, uh, not on purpose, but she will wander if I'm not
[5:18] watching her. Uh, we often, uh, travel up the area, which is...
[5:24] I mean, the closest one that we go to is probably Dublin.
[5:27] So these are day trips because you can bring traffic and everything.
[5:31] So it's not like we just quickly go to the park like most kids get to do.
[5:35] Uh, we obviously can take day trips, so we don't get to do it very often.
[5:38] Um, so I just wanted to support Kenzie's idea and say that having something like
[5:41] that for kids other than just my daughter, kids like my daughter, uh, would be
[5:45] really helpful for families because kids deserve to be able to go to the park and
[5:48] play. And so having to plan a whole family day trip, uh, you know, once every few
[5:52] months is just not feasible for a lot of families.
[5:56] Thank you.
[5:59] Thank you, Michelle.
[6:01] I also have a statement from a young lady named Tyla.
[6:04] She is a
[6:07] young adult with special needs, and she asked if I could read it
[6:13] for her.
[6:16] "Hi, my name is Tyla, and I'm a special needs young adult.
[6:21] I do not remember going to the park very often when I was younger.
[6:25] One of the last visits I remember was when I was 12 to 15 years old.
[6:30] I went down a slide with my sister, went too fast and flew off.
[6:38] That may sound funny at first.
[6:42] Some children even enjoy flying off the slide, but that was not my intention.
[6:47] I was not able to brace myself, slow down, or get my body to do what it needed in
[6:51] the moment.
[6:56] The physical pain and embarrassment made me not want to return to the park, not for
[7:00] weeks, but for months. I do not remember anything that happened after that, but my
[7:05] mom told me I ran away from the area.
[7:07] A safer, enclosed, and accessible park with appropriate equipment, physical
[7:13] barriers, and other safety features would have helped children, teenagers, young
[7:17] adults, and families of different abilities spend time together safely in their own
[7:22] community."
[7:24] I just want to thank Tyla for allowing me to share her experience.
[7:29] A Paterson parent that was unable to attend shared...
[7:35] This is Tayo's statement.
[7:38] I don't know if I said her name correctly.
[7:41] "Her 12-year-old son, Sage, is autistic and has developmental sensory, emotional,
[7:46] and physical needs. Like every child, he deserves to enjoy a park, play with
[7:51] others, and feel that he belongs. Sage can become overwhelmed by noise, crowds,
[7:57] heat, and sensory sensitivities.
[8:00] He overheats and tires easily, and may need quiet.
[8:04] Or he overheats and tires easily, and he may need quiet, shaded places to regulate.
[8:10] Traditional playground equipments do not always meet his movement and sensory
[8:14] needs. Without secure fencing, shade, quiet areas, sensory-friendly equipment,
[8:20] accessible water play, and activities for older children with disabilities,
[8:25] families may have to leave early or avoid parks altogether.
[8:30] Sage should not have to fit himself into a playground
[8:34] that was never designed for him.
[8:39] Every child deserves a safe place to play and belong."
[8:44] A few more local parents asked me to vocalize their scenarios as well.
[8:49] "We haven't even been to a playground since we started living
[8:55] here."
[9:02] I don't take her to the park anymore unless there are at least two other adults
[9:05] with me or another adult for my older son.
[9:10] It needs to be at least three people to monitor her. Otherwise, it's very unsafe.
[9:18] I use respite hours and personal assistant hours so providers can help me take the
[9:24] children to the park. There would be no way for me to go alone.
[9:27] Even at fenced parks, I would have to stand by the fence and cannot interact with
[9:32] my children because safety comes first, and all three of them are
[9:36] young.
[9:45] I understand this personally. At the park, I was never able to sit down.
[9:50] If I looked away for five seconds just to grab some water, I could end up running
[9:54] after my child.
[9:57] When I had several children and no help, it turned my children
[10:03] without disabilities into my little helper.
[10:13] Instead of bonding and playing, we were chasing stress, left early, which
[10:18] eventually led to isolation at home.
[10:22] The solution, we are suggesting a phased plan.
[10:26] Phase one is a secure fence and controlled double-gated entrance.
[10:31] This will allow a family to go in, shut the gate behind them, take sand out of
[10:36] them, put shoes on, do anything they need to do to prepare to go into the park
[10:41] without needing to worry about kids running off during the transition.
[10:47] Phase two is accessible surfacing and routes,
[10:52] so kids with wheelchairs, young adults, and adults with wheelchairs can get around
[10:57] their own public community.
[11:01] The future vision is a fully inclusive playground with adaptive equipment, shade,
[11:06] and caregiving seating.
[11:09] The community center and pool park appear strongest for these phases one and two,
[11:14] the one by the senior center.
[11:17] North Park also matches several city plans but needs a closer side view.
[11:24] Future East Park is the strongest location for a complete future vision
[11:30] plan.
[11:32] The city will make the final location and engineering decisions, of course.
[11:37] The ask for tonight is to recognize that there's a need and for permission to keep
[11:41] pursuing forward with interacting and helping one another along the way.
[11:48] Thank you.
[11:54] Well, thank you so much, Kimberly, for coming out today and for everybody coming
[11:58] out and speaking on this issue. Do any of the commissioners have any questions or
[12:04] comments on this agenda item?
[12:06] I do.
[12:07] Okay.
[12:07] First of all, thank you guys so much for coming.
[12:10] Believe it or not, this has actually been a topic of discussion at our meetings
[12:16] probably-- How long ago was that?
[12:18] A year.
[12:18] At least a year or two ago. And I love to see that you have North Park on
[12:24] here because in those conversations, we discussed that the next playground
[12:31] that is required to be replaced will be North Park's playground.
[12:35] So since then, even though I've been unsuccessful, I have been actively
[12:40] searching for a special needs playground grant that would allow
[12:45] children to...
[12:49] Whether it's the gated portion, or I was specifically thinking something for
[12:53] children in wheelchairs because in my head, I'm thinking we don't have a single
[12:57] park that isn't tamar. And there are a couple parks that have that weird
[13:03] kind of rubbery,
[13:05] almost squishy thing. But in order to get there, you have to go through tamar.
[13:10] So my initial thought process was that we need a place for children in
[13:15] wheelchairs to at least be able to go to the park.
[13:18] Even if they can't get on the equipment, they can't even sit next to their brothers
[13:22] and sisters while their brothers and sisters are on the swings because of the tamar
[13:25] situation. So,
[13:28] this has a very special place in my heart. I think it is so important.
[13:32] I actually, to be honest, can't believe we don't have a single park for the amount
[13:36] of parks we have. We don't have a single park that does cater to special needs kids
[13:41] in any variety. So, outside of being a commissioner, you have
[13:46] 1,000% of my support.
[13:49] Me as a commissioner, you have as much support as I can give you.
[13:53] I do like that you address the fact that the city is the ultimate authority here.
[14:00] I think that's why a grant is so cool and so important because if we
[14:06] were able to find a grant specific to a special needs playground, that could help
[14:10] fund that North Park playground. The reason North Park hasn't got a new playground
[14:15] is because there's no money for it.
[14:16] In my opinion, as a community member, as a mom, I'd rather us spend the money on
[14:22] clean drinking water over a playground.
[14:25] So I understand the importance of grants for these kinds of specific projects, and
[14:31] I know they exist. I'm just not very good at finding them, and I'm not very good at
[14:34] applying for them.
[14:37] But I do think this is very important. Super important.
[14:41] If there's even one child in Paterson that doesn't feel included enough to use our
[14:45] parks, what are we doing as commissioners and as a city and as a parks department?
[14:51] So, you have all of my support and love, and
[14:56] I would love to write a letter if anyone knows of any grants for this.
[15:00] I would love to write a letter on behalf of myself or on behalf of our commission
[15:06] stating how important we think it is to have at least one playground that every
[15:10] single child in Paterson feels is accessible to them. That's it.
[15:18] Any other questions or comments?
[15:23] I don't have a list of grants with me, but I do have a list that I've been
[15:29] putting together at the house.
[15:31] Does it seem as if Paterson would qualify for any of them?
[15:34] Because some of them, I found, they're looking for larger communities.
[15:39] With numbers, with
[15:43] city officials, with everybody behind it is very fair.
[15:48] Okay. Yeah, I would love that. I do have one question that I forgot to ask earlier.
[15:53] So the part that refers to-- Where did that go?
[16:00] Oh, Future East Community Park. Are you speaking Zacharias, or are you
[16:05] speaking villages of Paterson?
[16:09] Oh, directions are not my forte.
[16:11] East is that direction.
[16:13] I know, but I feel like they're both going to eat, right?
[16:16] I'm not aware of any park named Future East.
[16:18] Because I live on the East Side.
[16:20] Yeah.
[16:20] Okay.
[16:22] So is Zacharias considered North Paterson?
[16:27] Zacharias would be north-
[16:29] West
[16:30] ... west.
[16:30] Okay, so you're referring to villages of Paterson when you say east.
[16:35] When I used East Park on here today, the second one you just said was the
[16:41] one I was referring to.
[16:42] Zacharias.
[16:43] Zacharias.
[16:44] Okay.
[16:44] But-
[16:45] See, that's kind of what I was thinking too, because I don't think we have-- The
[16:48] only other park that we have that's going to be going up in villages has already
[16:51] been done. Like it's already been approved, I believe. I was at that meeting.
[16:56] Like I imagine, those were just what little research information
[17:02] going off the master plan-
[17:04] Okay
[17:04] ... that I had. That's what-
[17:05] So you're thinking Zacharias.
[17:06] That's all. These are thoughts. That's without all the steps that you guys would
[17:11] bring to the table, and the thoroughness you guys would bring.
[17:15] And like Xavier mentioned, it's a process, so we're not going to be tomorrow like,
[17:19] "Oh, let's do this park." It's going to be what funds are available, where's the
[17:23] square footage, how many youngins are we trying to fit in it?
[17:25] There's so much to be involved with it, just if we could have permission to go one
[17:30] step forward at a time and working as a team rather than it being all on one
[17:34] person. I really believe that this could happen.
[17:37] Starting at phase one, being the gate, because there's so many parks.
[17:42] Why not get a gate going so there's safety for current community members?
[17:47] Phase two, the bottom, so we could include wheelchair accessibility and kids and
[17:52] walkers and all that. And then as that's being utilized, we're also getting data.
[17:57] This was needed. This is bringing more people. This is such a necessity.
[18:02] We need one on another side of town and just watch it blossom.
[18:06] Okay. I was just asking which location you were referring to, because I do
[18:12] recall the last park of Villages of Patterson had already been approved.
[18:16] So if that's what you were referring to, I wanted to break the news to you that
[18:20] it's already happening. But if you are referring to Zacharias, if there's one thing
[18:26] I've learned, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, it's that private citizens
[18:30] can accomplish so much more than government entities.
[18:35] And I know that sounds mean, and I'm not trying to make it sound mean.
[18:38] But if you think of what Commissioner Adolfo can do as a private
[18:43] citizen versus what he can do as a commissioner, it's like night and day.
[18:48] So what he's able to do as a volunteer is huge by comparison to our small scope as
[18:53] commissioners. So in that regard, I would love to see a community group such as
[18:59] Acts petition these developers that will be building Zacharias.
[19:05] When shovels hit the ground or plans start to hit desks, I would love to see a
[19:10] community group with signatures going to these developers saying, "We want one of
[19:15] the parks that you guys build to be this inclusive park."
[19:20] Could, in theory, go to the planning commission meetings, but is that-
[19:23] Yeah, but I think you've got to hit the developer.
[19:25] I mean, yes, that is the proper-
[19:28] If-
[19:29] Order
[19:29] ... the planning commission says no, then they're just kind of sitting on their
[19:32] hands at that point.
[19:34] Yeah. I think you can encourage a developer by showing them what the community
[19:39] wants, which is part of why we're asking to look at those plans, right?
[19:44] We want to be able to say, "Oh, we have a whole presentation on why our community
[19:48] thinks that an inclusive park is a really good idea.
[19:51] We would love for you guys to consider an inclusive park." But I feel like
[19:55] something about it coming from the community seems more powerful, in my opinion,
[19:59] than coming from the city. I do think you should have, sorry, I do think you should
[20:03] have the planning commission's support because they can then encourage during the
[20:08] planning process. But I'm talking about before planning has even happened.
[20:11] Because if they're going to planning commission, they already have plans drawn.
[20:14] I'm talking about getting there before those parks are even drawn out, catching
[20:18] them early.
[20:19] Sorry, Commissioner Pack. So the presentation has been made here to the planning
[20:23] commission, and it's a request that we support your request to
[20:29] city council. Is that what we're trying to make a motion on?
[20:32] Because I think motioning to not come to the commission-
[20:37] So what I'm hearing-
[20:38] Is not appropriate
[20:39] ... what I'm hearing, correct me if I'm wrong, is that you're interested in getting
[20:44] the commission's support or recommendation for staff to start exploring the entire
[20:50] idea because we're not going to narrow it down immediately, because we know there's
[20:54] funding, there's all these other things that we need to consider.
[20:57] But what we can do is, we can look into a lot of the things that you're mentioning,
[21:00] and I could write up an email and start making these inquiries.
[21:04] We can look, as the current Parks Department, we can look at the different parks
[21:09] that already exist and see if we can accomplish some of the things that she's
[21:11] asking immediately, like a gate, so to speak, a
[21:17] parking place, or tile that meets the requirements that she's asking for.
[21:21] What you're really voting on is just yes, we make a recommendation that staff
[21:27] pursue the ability of pursuing these projects.
[21:33] That's what you're definitely making the recommendation for.
[21:36] And then we would go ahead and pursue all those little intricate details.
[21:39] Right. So I think while those are good recommendations, I think we just need to
[21:43] either motion to support or not support. Right? But all that you said.
[21:48] Sorry, you said it very well. So I wanted to motion that we support, in the
[21:54] words that were already spoken, in an official motion.
[21:57] That's an official motion.
[21:59] Commissioner Pack. Oh, sorry. I wasn't sure if you-
[22:02] Motion.
[22:03] I second.
[22:04] Okay, Commissioner Weehunt has seconded the motion.
[22:07] All those in favor of recommending that we create better parks
[22:13] for all children, we'll do a voice motion.
[22:16] Aye.
[22:17] Aye.
[22:17] Aye.
[22:18] I vote sorry. We have to vote on whether we support their idea being moved forward-
[22:24] Well, yeah
[22:25] ... to the city.
[22:25] So it's not whether we subscribe to the theory, but whether we motion this
[22:30] specific-
[22:31] Yeah
[22:31] ... recommendation forward.
[22:34] The feasibility of pursuing this project is what you're going to motion, if you
[22:39] decide to.
[22:40] That makes sense.
[22:41] I agree.
[22:42] Well, we've got to follow the-
[22:45] Okay, well, yeah. We'll make the motion with, should we vote down the last motion
[22:49] then, and then redo it?
[22:51] Oh, okay. I just seconded it-
[22:52] So now it's-
[22:54] ... so now I'm against it.
[22:55] No, we kind of created it.
[22:56] So I think what she said was what I, in her motion, she said-
[23:01] That's it
[23:01] ... what I said.
[23:02] Her motion carried the spirit of what you said.
[23:04] But let me just make it clean and clear.
[23:06] Let's just state exactly what it is that you're motioning, which is?
[23:10] I'm motioning that the Parks, Recreation, and Beautification Commission
[23:14] support the-
[23:18] You know
[23:18] ... the, yeah, support the motion to investigate the
[23:24] feasibility of the Inclusive Community Playground Project.
[23:27] Perfect. And then do we have a second?
[23:30] I second.
[23:31] Thank you. Okay, all those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed.
[23:36] 4-0 vote. The motion has been carried.
[23:41] Thank you.
[23:42] Okay. Are there any last questions or comments for this agenda item before we move
[23:46] on?
[23:47] Do we have a mover?
[23:49] Yes, we have one last comment.
[23:51] I was just going to ask if you could give the grant information to Joni to get to
[23:57] us, just to look at. I'm curious.
[23:59] So I will supply the grants, and once I supply that, I will come later with even
[24:04] more grants information. I've already started a petition, and we'll turn that
[24:09] in from an online petition for local, some nearby, because people won't want to
[24:15] travel here, to also in-person petitions, and that was just started only 24 hours
[24:21] ago. So I'll continue on those two routes definitely.
[24:24] Thank you.
[24:24] So at the city, we
[24:27] contract with grant writers. Would it be possible to get those to those grant
[24:31] writers?
[24:32] Yes.
[24:33] What are they called? California...
[24:34] Consulting.
[24:35] Consulting, yes, exactly.
[24:37] We can get it all.
[24:38] Perfect, thank you. And then we had a public comment.
[24:42] Please go ahead when you're ready.
[24:43] So I had a question. I'm sorry. In the beginning, I was working still.
[24:47] So I'm confused when you guys were mentioning the planning commission.
[24:52] You guys are the parks commission, so what role do you guys have in the city of
[24:57] parks?
[24:59] Our role as the Parks, Recreation, and Beautification Commission is to serve as an
[25:03] advisory body to the city council.
[25:07] So what we're primarily doing is making recommendations.
[25:11] So, for example, they presented the Patterson Inclusive Community Playground
[25:15] Project, and we thought it's wonderful.
[25:18] So the best we can do right now in this moment as a commission is to make a
[25:23] recommendation to city council that the city and city employees should explore
[25:29] this and see if it can be implemented.
[25:32] I think besides this, in the future, we could also bring it as our own
[25:38] agenda item and maybe in the future explore its implementation and just serve as a
[25:43] way for people to get more information on how it's ongoing.
[25:47] So developers are not coming to you guys
[25:50] in order when they're building the parks?
[25:52] No.
[25:53] Oh.
[25:54] No. So it's my understanding that the planning commission is a quasi-judicial
[25:59] commission that acts as kind of the go-between between the
[26:04] city and the developers, right? So they bring their plans, and then if the planning
[26:08] commission says, "Yes," they give it a seal approval, then it goes to the city.
[26:12] We don't have any function in that manner, so nobody's required to bring us any.
[26:18] So if you look at the municipal code, nobody's required to bring us any plans or
[26:24] anything really. And actually, until recently, thanks to Director
[26:29] Guertin, he's the one who's bringing these things before us from the city to get
[26:35] our feedback. If you go back four years ago, the only time we ever
[26:41] had to vote anything was when we brought it up.
[26:45] The city never brought anything to us.
[26:48] Okay.
[26:48] So we brought it forth-
[26:49] That was my confusion, because when I served the city of Tracy Parks Commissioner,
[26:53] the developers came to us and they said, "Okay, this is the idea that we have, but
[26:58] before we implement it, what are your thoughts?" Because you as the Parks
[27:02] Commission have heard from the community. And so we would say- ...
[27:06] we would, special needs was very high on our list, and so we would say, "Can you go
[27:10] back and do this?" I see there's a hill between these two playgrounds.
[27:13] As a mom, you can't see both sets of kids.
[27:16] And they would then go back, revise things.
[27:19] So we would have, a sand playground, the picnic
[27:24] areas, trails, what kind of amenities are going to be there,
[27:30] the park master plan and improvement projects, and then obviously prioritizing
[27:35] residents, what they need. And so we would make the recommendations to council on
[27:39] what goes in our park. So that's why I'm confused as to why this commission
[27:42] operates less.
[27:43] Well, two more things. I guess first one, I'll answer that question.
[27:46] I think it just purely depends on the scope.
[27:49] So if you look at that city's municipal code, it might be different, it might be
[27:54] wider, it might give that commission more power.
[27:56] When you look at ours, we might just be lacking that.
[27:59] But, and-
[28:00] How do we change that? Is there-
[28:01] The city would have to make a motion passing an ordinance.
[28:05] But I'd also like to point out that currently we're on agenda item 7C in regards to
[28:10] the Patterson Inclusive Community Playground Project.
[28:13] I just, I'd like to make sure-
[28:14] And I'm happy to take on any questions-
[28:16] Why she had to go to planning and not like here, but-
[28:19] Well, just unfortunately, that's just the difference in our scope.
[28:23] Okay. Thank you.
[28:25] And she doesn't have to go to planning, just so you, so clarify that.
[28:28] There's no reason for her to have to go to planning.
[28:30] And I think, the commission mentioned that they wanted that item agendized as far
[28:36] as, like, what your role is in the review of playgrounds coming into town,
[28:42] right? That's something that you brought up earlier.
[28:44] I thought that had been asked. I heard the date of October 2025, that
[28:50] that has been asked and pending.
[28:52] You're 100% correct. And I've been asking as well for the same period of time.
[28:56] I haven't had a clear answer myself.
[28:59] But I think one of the things that Elon brought up, that's maybe something I could
[29:05] ask again, is she mentioned that the developers... And I'm sorry.
[29:10] Before we get into this, maybe we should close out the item that we're on, and then
[29:14] we can bring it up in maybe other matters, and then let's agendize the topic, and
[29:19] then let's talk about it at the next commission meeting.
[29:20] That way we're doing it the correct way.
[29:22] Yes, because I was about to say, I think we're talking about things that aren't on
[29:24] the agenda.
[29:25] Right.
[29:25] And it wouldn't be fair to anybody who want to talk about it.
[29:28] So are there any other comments or questions for agenda item 7C?
[29:33] If not, we can move on to agenda item number eight, other matters, and it says that
[29:38] we have none. So do we have questions or comments?
[29:46] Or I would just say again, like you've already asked for that to be agendized.
[29:49] So we'll go ahead and do that, and then we'll explore that, and then we'll have a
[29:53] full discussion at the next meeting.
[29:57] Perfect. Thank you. Now, are there anything else for other matters or anything
[30:02] else? Any final comments or things we would like to add to next month's agenda?
[30:09] Okay, seeing none.
[30:10] For people out here about to add something or just-
[30:12] For other matters
[30:13] ... for you guys?
[30:15] Oh,
[30:18] yeah.
[30:19] Okay. No?
[30:19] Yeah.
[30:19] All right.
[30:21] Okay. With that, with there being none, we will go ahead and adjourn this meeting
[30:25] of the Park, Trail, and Recreation Commission at 6:04.
[30:32] Okay, we hold, just so we can table that.
[30:36] Thank you, guys, for putting that on our screen.
[30:39] What's that?
[30:40] Thank you for putting that on our screen.
[30:41] Oh, yeah. I was making jokes about your company.
[30:44] I do.
[30:46] I do look at that.