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Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call the public hearing

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for official community plan amendment bylaw 2026 - 25 and

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the zoning amendment bylaw number 2026 - 26, 434 Lakeshore

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Drive West to order. I would like to ask the

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corporate officer to introduce the bylaws. Thank you, Deputy Mayor

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Gilbert. This public hearing is being held pursuant to Section

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464 and 465 of the local government act for the

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purpose of hearing representation from those persons who believe their

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interest in property may be affected. The public hearing is

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recorded in all the contents are posted on our website.

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The bylaws tonight are official committee plan amendment violent number

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202625 and so any amendment bylaw number 202626 for 434

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Lake Shore Drive West and Agricultural Land Reserve Exclusion Application

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for 610 Pine View Road. Notice of the public hearing

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has been duly advertised in accordance with the requirements of

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the look of from an act. Also copies of the

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bylaws and support and documentation have been available for inspection

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on the city of Penticton website. The role of council

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is to hear representation from those persons who wish to

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provide comments regarding the proposed bylaws. Everyone who wishes to

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speak shall be given the opportunity to be heard. However,

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it is important that all who speak at this hearing

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restrict the remarks to matters contained in the bylaws. Council's

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main function is to listen to the views of the

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public. It is not the function of council at this

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public hearing to debate the merits that proposed bylaw with

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individual citizens. No decisions will be made at the public

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hearing, but will be considered within a council meeting. It

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should be noted that after the public hearing has been

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concluded, council cannot hear from interested parties regarding the proposed

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bylaws. Public hearing number one is for OCP Amendment bylaw

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number 202625 and zoning amendment bylaw at number 202626. OCP

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Amendment Bylaw number 202625 proposes to amend official community plan

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bylaw number 201908 as follows. Amend map one future land

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use by changing the future land use designation for lot

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one district lot for group seven, Sumilkamin Division Yale from

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the Yale Blitton District Plan 35081 except plan EPP91648 located

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at 434. Lakeshore Drive West from low density residential to

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high density residential and zoning amendment bylaw number 2626 proposes

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to amends zoning bylaw 2024 - 22 as follows. Rezone

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lot one, District Lot 4, Group 7, Samilkamin Division, Yale

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Formula Yeolitin District Plan 35081, accept plan EPP 91648 located

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at 434 Lakeshore Drive West from par 4L Small Scale

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Multi - Unit Residential Large Lot to RM3 Medium Density

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Multiple Housing and remove site - specific provision section 10.

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2. 5. 1f from 10. 2 R4S, small - scale

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multi - unit residential, small law in its entirety. The

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site - specific text amendment, which allows a bed and

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breakfast on the property will no longer be applicable should

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the property be redeveloped. The proposed amendment would allow for

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a multi - family residential development up to six stories

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in height. Seven letters have been received since the printing

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of the agenda and distributed to council. Thank you. Thank

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you very much Ms. Collison. Before we go to the

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public, is there any new information from staff. Thank you,

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council. I have a short presentation that I'd like to

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go through. There's no new information, but just to reiterate

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some of the information. Yeah, thank you. Go ahead, Ms.

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Tenge. Okay, so this public hearing is for an official

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community product amendment and zoning amendment for 435 lecture drive

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west. The properties on across the street from the Okanaganic

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park, it's vacant. It's being previously occupied by a heritage

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home called Warren House, building 1912. The proposal CPMM is

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to change a designation on the property from low density

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to high density to support the same land use designation

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in this block. So this designation, so what's existing right

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now is for your nets and three stories. And the

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proposed high density residential supports that higher density up to

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six stories in height. There's also a rezoning request. The

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change is owning on the property from our 4L, which

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allow 4 units to RM3, which would allow morning 4

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units up to 6 stories. There is no specific development

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proposal at this time, but the applicant has provided a

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lot of intent, and that was included in council package.

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A development permit would be required. If they have approval

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from moving forward. Staff have prepared a mail out notification

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for properties within 100 metre. In total 192 notices were

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mailed, norediseed sign was also posted on the property and

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advertisements were placed in a newspaper. Seven letters were receive

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encirculated to council. So there are key criterias that must

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be considered when an OCPMM is proposed. So does it

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align with the broader CP vision? What are the social

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economic and environmental benefit to the community? What are the

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cost implications, sustainability to contacts, and meaningful engagement. So the

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first criteria, so the OCP supports housing being built close

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to downtown transit, Mary's. It's also close to a bus

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route to keep my research, Geraint Mo in the hospital.

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Second criteria is obviously economic and environmental benefits. Again, higher

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density, multifamily residential development on this property contributes to the

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city's housing needs. Um, this already service and central location

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that can accommodate growth. The third criteria is assessment of

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development costs. So this is an existing in - service

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urban lot and any costs will be born by the

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developer or the applicant. The surrounding properties to the east

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and south are designated high density residential, which allows up

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to six stories in height. It's also important to mention

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that building that are there today, uh, are generally maximum

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of four stories. And their designation indicate that really the

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long - term vision is for six stories, but what's

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existing is maximum of four stories. As I mentioned, there's

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a four - story height limit on Lakeshore Drive in

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your CP, but it's limited to properties further down on

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Lake Shore beside the LaCoana Park and does not apply

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to this area. The last criteria is ensuring that the

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public engagement was carried out from May 14 to June

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12th. So the Aplicant is proposing to change a zoning

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from R4L to RM3, which would allow multifamily development of

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the six stories in height, which also aligns with the

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high density OCP designation. So that concludes my presentation. And

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I do believe that the applicant is here. He's over

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Zoom. He doesn't have a presentation, but he's here to

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answer any question, council may have. Okay, thank you very

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much, Ms. Tenge. So we are holding the public hearing

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in person in electronically, and we'll continue until everyone participating

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has had an opportunity to be heard. If you are

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in the Zoom webinar and want to speak, please use

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the raise hand feature, and you will be given the

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ability to turn on your camera and microphone and provide

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your comments. Please keep your comments to three minutes and

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reframe from cheering or jeering. Uh, you may return to

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the podium to speak again if you run out of

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time. So for the first time, is there anyone that

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would like to speak to official community plan amendment, bylaw,

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number 20, 26 - 25, or zoning amendment bylaw, number

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2026 - 26, please provide your name and street and

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the street that you live on. You may go up

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to the podium there, sir. Bill

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wicket, I live at 433 Churchill Avenue. Immediately behind the

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proposal. I'm against it for two reasons. Uh, aesthetically, number

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one. I believe the lackawanna Park Four story heights limit

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should extend from Winnipeg Street to the sycamous. Right now

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nothing, a long lake shore is above four stories. Uh,

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if we allow six further on down, somebody else is

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going to want more. And I don't want the lake

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shore. To start looking like Waikiki. Four stories, I feel,

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is enough. But that is not the main reason. The

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main reason why. Is if you go to six stories,

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uh, I've seen proposals from the owners that they're talking

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about up to 28 apartments. I hope before council votes,

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each of you have actually driven down the alley. It's

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not on a street. And there'll be no street access

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from Lakeshore. The only access is this alley. Right now

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the alley is so narrow. Two cars can't go buy

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each other without basically one stopping and allowing waving the

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other one on. If you allow. A dozen or two

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dozen or more cars for one unit, one lot is

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going to be chaos. It's literally a back alley. And

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right in front of my place is an alley that

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serves that lot. And it's already got a lot more

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traffic over the last 10 years with all the four

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- story places going up. But if you allow six,

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and God knows how many, possibly 28 apartments, it's not,

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it's just impossible. There's no room for the vehicles. Uh,

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I hope you've all driven down that alley. And experienced

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it. Because right now if you even have a FedEx

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truck or a UPS truck delivering something to your place,

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it blocks the whole, not road. It blocks the alley.

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So vehicle transportation there. Is the mean reason why this

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proposal should not go to six stories. It should be

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limited to four stories. And in my opinion, the four

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units. Thank you. Nope. Oh, sorry. Could we please keep

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the cheering, no cheering and jerry? We want to make

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sure that, uh, anyone who can speak, uh, be, be

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granted to speak without any, you know, biased or any

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other, um, motivation in regards to that. We want to

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make sure it's neutral here for this space for a

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public hearing. Um, do we have someone online that would,

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uh, if you want to come up, but if we

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have someone online that would like to speak to the

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motion, or sorry, the public hearing. Nosed right hand. Thank

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you. There are no raised tents in Zoom. Okay. Thank

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you. Go ahead. Am I on? There we go. Biblically

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Skosky 336 Lakeshore. I'd like to follow up to Mr.

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Wickett's comments. Um, we shared concerns about development with city

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council several times since 2009. We've provided tours to councils.

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I met with Councillor Gilbert in 2024. And receive replies

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to questions on this proposal recently from councillors Watt and

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Stuart. As always, we are not opposed to densification or

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development. Just concerned on how it impacts traffic, parking, infrastructure

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capacity and public safety as the lakeshore Churchill corridor was

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not built to handle the volume of development that is

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now being considered. The number of homes in the area

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has more than quadrupled in the past 30 years, yet

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there have been minimal improvements to the roads and the

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length that serves them. Churchill's alley is a single lane

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width, but is expected to handle two - way traffic

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and cross a busy pedestrian beach walkway adjacent to this

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proposal. So the lane is treated like a street, but

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without the safety features of a street, there's no sidewalks,

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no speed control, and limited lighting. Visitors unknowingly park illegally

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in the lane, further adding to the problem. Now according

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to pendictons fire department, they don't use lanes to access

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buildings anywhere in Pendicton. So quick access to lake chart,

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churchill, or laneway facing doors, especially during weekend road closures

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in the summer can become extremely challenging. Every second matters.

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During an emergency. Kudos to our firefighters efforts when Warren

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House burned and threatened surrounding homes. If a similar emergency

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occurred during a busy summer event, the outcome could have

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been far worse. Without addressing these civic concerns, it's possible

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further large - scale development could create serious liability issues.

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Churchill Avenue can't absorb the pressure either. As one of

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pentacton's narrowest and most congested streets, vehicles frequently park near

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lane exits, and on both sides of the street, reducing

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sight lines and limited space for the two - way

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traffic. In fact, penticton transit has confirmed it is one

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of the narrowest streets they service in Penticton. Because there

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is no feasible way to widen this road network, no

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way to fix that. Development must be scaled to what

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the neighbourhood infrastructure can safely and logically support. So six

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- story buildings would create far more vehicle pressure on

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an already constrained access system. Therefore, we support three to

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four - story buildings as it is consistent with the

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existing neighbourhood. It's better aligned with the current OCP intent

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and less likely to worsen already unsaved conditions. So please

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visit the area before making any precedent setting decisions while

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keeping in mind that the current conditions as of today

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don't reflect peak, summer conditions. And finally, be remembered as

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the council who protected this amazing neighbourhood through thoughtful, sensible,

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and practical planning by declining this application. Now is the

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time to set this right. Thank you. Yep. Next person,

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if you want to come up and then we'll go

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to someone, we'll go online for the next one. I

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see that the hand there, but we'll go to the

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gallery first. Reni Myers, and I'm at 409 Hills Avenue.

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Uh, that neighbourhood is mostly houses everywhere, except for a

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long lake showed youth. And, uh, the thought of a

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six - story building is what got me out here,

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because to me it's absolutely absurd for the reasons that

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my neighbours have noticed, so I'm not going to go

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through all that again. A huge concern for me is

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the beach access walkthrough, which is always very busy and

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I use it maybe three times a day. I know

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all my neighbours use it. Children, dragon, people dragging their

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wagons, full of the beach stuff. And so six stories

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of apartments and all those cars. Trying to come and

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go during the day on that lane, it's impossible as

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far as how I can see. Just think about it.

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So, um, that's my say, uh, I'm totally against the

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sick story building there. It's the, it's crazy. Okay, thank

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you. I'll go to the raised hand that's online.

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I've Lynn Kelsey, if you could unmute yourself.

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Can I try again? Yeah, there we go. Now we

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can hear you. Oh, now you can hear me. Okay.

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Well, I'm out of town due to the smoke. For

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my own physical health. I really disagree with this being

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a sick story. I totally agree with the comments of

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the previous people that this, this is just not. A

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political. I worked on Churchill Street. I know how busy

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that street is and how big a problem the parking

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and the traffic and everything is. The laneway is too

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narrow to support what needs to happen. And as far

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as I'm concerned. Three stories and maximum four stories would

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be sufficient for this area. Let's not set a president

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that turns this into like a lake shore and Miami

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beach or something. Um, we don't need that. We needed

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something that has a nice character, which when we had

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Warren House had a nice character. Let's not ruin the

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heritage of Warren House by putting up a monstrosity of

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a six story building. So please ask you to. Really

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consider this. And, uh, make sure that you make a

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responsible decision based on the comments that you've heard tonight.

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Thank you. So for a second time, is there anyone

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that would like to speak to official community plan amendment

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by law number 2026 - 2025 or zoning amendment bylaw,

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uh, 2026 - 26. Yep. Come up to the podium,

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please.

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Good evening, my name is Shirley McPherson. I live on

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736 Lakeshore Drive. And I just want, I'm here to

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support all of the people who've already spoken. I don't

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feel it is necessary to repeat the same things. We

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have been going through this a lot over the last

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10 or 12 years. And, um, this is when I

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see all of my neighbours. So I really hope too

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that you will make a responsible decision regarding this. Amazingly

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crazy idea. We're very fortunate that someone hasn't been struck

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in the lane. Because it's come very close. Thank you.

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And is there any other raised hands on Zoom. There

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are no raised hands in Zoom. Madam, you may come

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up to the podium. Hi there. I'm Melanie Atkinson. I

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live at 668 Lakeshore Drive. And I especially at this

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time of year and with the way things are changing,

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I'd like to talk about water responsibility. If you're going

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to be putting in something that six stories possibly 28

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units that could have two bathrooms, a kitchen sink, a

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dishwasher, because they all do now. You can say what

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you want about the developer will have to take care

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of that. But what does it say about us as

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a city that we're not looking at that saying, no,

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the OCP that we have three, possibly four stories will

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be enough. I also live on Lakeshore and can attest

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to the fact that that back alley is just an

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accident waiting to happen. And well, they're under construction. There

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will be huge problems with people trying to get through.

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Thank you.

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Kate, for a third and final time, is there anyone

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that would like to speak to official community plan amendment

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bylaw number 2026 - 25? Or zoning amendment bylaw 2026

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- 26. Yeah. You may come up to the podium.

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I'm Teresa Dieeds. I live at 422 Lakeshore Drive, which

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is the Lakeview Apartments. I've lived in Penticton. My entire

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life. And in the last 10 years have moved to

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this area. When I first lived here, the first two

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years I was given a parking permit for Churchill Avenue,

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which was then taken away. And as Churchill was developed,

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um, there was so many areas that were single feering

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places that switched into multifamily. And so many of them

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were approved. And there wasn't proper parking on these, um,

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developments. And so therefore a large number of vehicles were

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then parking on the roadway. And I live in an

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apartment where there is no, uh, the parking in the

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back services are apartment. But we have no parking whatsoever

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right now for visitors. Because there's been such an influx

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of cars on church hill avenue. And it is a

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nightmare. I can attest to what everybody said to try

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to manoeuvre down that road. That road needs to be

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one side parking because of the congestion. And you cannot

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get down that street. To cars at a time. And

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the back lane has become a nightmare. And it is

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a lane. When they were doing some work on the

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house down on Lakeshore, just in the last few months,

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there was huge trucks backing up our laneway. And that

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was the only way they could get in, because you

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can't come down the walking lane beside the proposal. It's

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so narrow. And, um, our alleyway is, there's been damage

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done to it. Cause it was not put in there

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with the intent of these big trucks with all their

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weight to be driving on them. And through our parking

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area as well. There's been damage in our lot because

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that's the only way they could pull out. There's no

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road for anything to come in. And my concern is

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when they, and if they get approval for this, where

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are all the big trucks going to park to do

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the work? How is the garbage man going to get

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down the lane? He barely gets through their now. And,

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um. I agree with what everybody has said. They have

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given it a lot of thought. And not only do

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I think it would be a good idea to not

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allow this. I agree. Maybe something, um, with four units

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in it. But let's put this matter to rest once

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and for all. And just have something in our bylaws.

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Where no, we're not going to go there again and

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debate this six story stuff. It doesn't work on our

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beautiful street. There's been too many changes already. Let's protect

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some of what was the thing that lured people to

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pentict in many years ago. And, you know, I believe

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you have to have development, but you also have to

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protect your heritage. And that's not happening in Penticton. Thank

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you for your time. Is there any raised hands on

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Zoom. There are no raised hands in Zoom. Okay.

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Council, do you have any questions. Councillor White. Thanks, Chair.

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Sorry. I was just going to suggest if you wanted

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to, all the developer to have an opportunity. Yeah. Thanks.

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I wonder if you're going to have questions for the

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developer questions for staff. So, um, yeah, for the developer

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online, if you want to maybe address any of the

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questions or concerns that we brought up in the public

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hearing. Yeah. Hi. Um, my name's Peach Ruttell. We've owned

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434 for the longest time. We did suffer the loss.

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And I understand and hear all the concerns in relation

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to the height. But at the end of the day,

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the zone three, RM3 zoning was selected because under the

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current bylaw, that's the only zoning that would allow a

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building to be constructed at similar height to the properties

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next door and behind. And other locations, electric drive. My

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quest to the council is that by approving an RM3

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zoning, the council is not granting an absolute right to

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build the maximum height. It's just creating an opportunity to

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do so. The right to build is provided under the

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development permit. Where the public and the council will again

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have the ability to voice their opinions and approve the

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height and massing the building. And that's what issues such

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as laneway access. And other considerations such as height number

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of units should be addressed. Speaking of opportunity, the change

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of the zoning to RM3 will also afford the opportunity

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for. To address the council's concerns raised in the pendict

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in 2023 housing's assessment, basically for the need for smaller

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units, not to build a two to three million or

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even four million dollar single family home on this lot.

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The opportunity to support housing growth and intensification and central

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urban area. In line with the OCP policy. And the

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opportunity to have a positive contributions to pendicton housing diversity.

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Lastly, the RM3 zoning is a logical extension to the

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existing high density designations to the eastern south of the

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property, as you saw presented by the council. With a

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laneway, yes, it is small, but it forms a natural

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boundary. And a clear physical edge to the natural transition

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to low density neighbourhood. As such, it would be in

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keeping with the rest of Lakeshaw. I trust therefore that

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the council dispite the potential height implied by M3 zoning

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approved this opportunity inherent to the RM3. Zonings and leave

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the discussion to final height as part of the development

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permit because there are a lot of questions like people

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raised, which need to be answered. How is Axis going

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to be provided? How is the water supply? Is it

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sufficient. How is the traffic flow and waste management going

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to be? All those things that address as part of

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the development permit. Anyway, I hope that answers most of

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the questions that people have had. And I trust that

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the council will find favor in this proposal. Thank you.

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Thank you. Any questions. Go ahead, Councillor Raynon. Thank you

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through the chair. Uh, obviously it's for city staff, but,

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um. As we pass this through, it would go to

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another reading, correct? And then we would have an opportunity

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to, um, set a height barrier. Is that correct? Go

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ahead, Ms. Dengue. So the chair to council rain. And

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so what's in front of you today, what we're discussing

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is the public hearing. Then after it wants to public

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hearing as calls, you'll be discussing the bylaw stated by

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the corporate officer. If any changes to the bar, I

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was, you know, to occur or request. We would have

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to come back with those changes and then bring it

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forward and run through the same process. So what's in

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front of you is a change from the OCP to

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allow the high density residential as well as RM3. If

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any changes was to occur within those, we would have

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to come back with a new byline from the council

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would have to consider and send to public hearing as

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well. Thank you. Go ahead, Councillor Graham. Yes, thank you,

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the chair. It's sort of a developer. 28 units, is

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that set? Like that's, that's going ahead. You're not going

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to shrink that. You need to be 28 units. And

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if so, these are rental units. And what's the makeup?

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Is it one, two, three bedroom or is it just

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one and two bedrooms? Thank you. Uh, good question. Fortune,

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we haven't got that far. I mean, essentially we spend

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a long time deliberating whether or not to rebuild our

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home. Creating a single family home, which would probably worst

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three to four million. We didn't see that in our

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interest, nor did it align with pendicton's vision. The problem

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we face is that we can't do this on our

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own. So we need funding and we may need a

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partner. Um, and at the end of the day, the

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development needs to be economically viable. So the final design

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and all those questions will still need to be addressed

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in the future. Because we have no fixed view as

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to what it will look like other than to say

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that it would be within keeping of lecture drive. We

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don't want to create a monstrosity like was suggested the

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Miami Beach type of look. We want something to be

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in keeping within massing, but we want it. We need

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to be able to make it economically viable. So long,

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long, long statement to say, sorry, I can't answer your

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questions because we haven't done the design. No, we're not

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set on 28 units. But the six story building would

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potentially come to seek 28 units. It doesn't matter doesn't

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necessarily mean to say that that's what we will build

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or intent to build. But the more units, the lower

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the cost of the unit. Because the fixed costs in

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the design. So if you only have four units. When

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you add build costs and everything else around there, they

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certainly aren't affordable to make them more affordable. And again,

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this isn't true affordability. This is lakeshill drive. But to

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bring the price down and make it available to more

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people, you need more units. Councillor, you're a question. Councillor

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Stewart. Thank you to the chair. And I apologise if

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I'm stumbling through this. I just want to make sure

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that I'm crystal clear. Currently before us, if we are

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voting to pass the rezoning from the current status to

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RM3, that allows for a high density build. And that

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in and of itself is one step. And the next

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step with regard to the size of the structure is

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a separate and distinct piece that we can also consider.

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That there's approved or contained within the zoning. Approval. Is

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that right? Am I close. Uh, Ms. Tenge? Through the

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chair to councillors, stewart. Um, so again, so the zoning

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has specifications on height. Density. Uh, so what will happen

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if the council passed this parallel. Then they would have

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to come back with a design that would meet the

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arm three. Bylaw. Um, depending on the size, it could

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be a staff issued development permit. If they need variances,

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then we would notify the public again. And we'll come

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back to council. So there's a chance depending on the

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00:33:02,506 --> 00:33:04,786
size that it could be as a staff level. So

474
00:33:04,927 --> 00:33:07,546
not necessarily meaning that they would, the public would be

475
00:33:07,586 --> 00:33:11,066
notified again. Because if they meet the intent of the

476
00:33:11,247 --> 00:33:16,986
arm three in terms of sight coverage, setbacks, um, then,

477
00:33:16,986 --> 00:33:18,826
you know, we look at the form and character of

478
00:33:18,826 --> 00:33:23,040
the building in the landscaping. Yeah. Thank you. And just,

479
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Councillor Stewart, maybe if you'll follow up, but it might

480
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600
be advantageous to have that follow up when we go

481
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,880
to vote for the bylaw when it's coming up here

482
00:33:32,021 --> 00:33:34,720
after the public hearings are done. Um, it's more or

483
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,120
less having questions for the developer. And I think one

484
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,120
of those questions can be done for when the bylaw

485
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:50,004
comes up. Okay. Any other questions from council. Okay. So

486
00:33:50,185 --> 00:33:53,844
the public hearing for official community plan amendment bylaw number

487
00:33:53,884 --> 00:33:58,324
2026 25 or zoning amendment by law 2026 26 is

488
00:33:58,324 --> 00:34:01,124
now closed and no information can be received. Thank you

489
00:34:01,124 --> 00:34:04,004
for those watching. We will now move on to our

490
00:34:04,044 --> 00:34:05,684
next scheduled public hearing.

491
00:36:55,262 --> 00:36:58,441
Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call the public hearing

492
00:36:58,441 --> 00:37:04,201
for agricultural land reserve exclusion application for 610 point view

493
00:37:04,302 --> 00:37:08,121
road. And I'd like to ask a corporate officer to

494
00:37:08,121 --> 00:37:12,996
introduce the ALR exclusion application. And thank you, worship. Public

495
00:37:12,996 --> 00:37:15,636
hearing number two is for ALR exclusion application for six

496
00:37:15,676 --> 00:37:17,636
pin view roads. It's to exclude a portion of the

497
00:37:17,676 --> 00:37:22,196
property located at 6105U road, but one district lot 2710.

498
00:37:22,196 --> 00:37:26,916
So Milcomy Division Yale District Plan, EPP22470 from the Agricultural

499
00:37:26,937 --> 00:37:29,956
Land Reserve ALR. The AppGants proposing to use a portion

500
00:37:29,996 --> 00:37:32,916
of a property within the provincial agricultural land reserve for

501
00:37:32,937 --> 00:37:35,876
a residential subdivision. This development is not permitted in the

502
00:37:35,916 --> 00:37:38,336
ALR and an application to exclude a portion of the

503
00:37:38,336 --> 00:37:40,916
property from the ALR is required. We have received three

504
00:37:40,956 --> 00:37:44,336
letters since the agenda has been distributed to council. And

505
00:37:44,537 --> 00:37:48,730
you have those now. Thank you. Thank you. And before

506
00:37:48,730 --> 00:37:50,650
we go to the public, is there any new information

507
00:37:51,231 --> 00:37:55,578
from staff. Thank you, you worship. I have a short

508
00:37:55,839 --> 00:38:01,653
presentation. That's OK. So again, this public hearing is for

509
00:38:01,994 --> 00:38:06,656
an agricultural and reserve exclusion application. The properties on this

510
00:38:06,696 --> 00:38:10,096
outside of Prime View Road contains a single detached welling

511
00:38:10,917 --> 00:38:16,239
and an orchard. The applicant is proposing to use part

512
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,319
of the property for a residential subdivision. The reminder will

513
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:23,679
stay in the ALR. This is not permitted in the

514
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,860
OR and a negative ALOR exclusion application is required. A

515
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:32,380
large exclusion and residential subdivision on the property is being

516
00:38:32,481 --> 00:38:38,140
planned since the 90s. The OCP was amended in 2002

517
00:38:38,401 --> 00:38:42,860
to allow low density residential development on this property pending

518
00:38:42,961 --> 00:38:46,940
the preparation of an area plan. Several previous application received

519
00:38:46,961 --> 00:38:51,340
approval with some conditions, but a final subdivision plan was

520
00:38:51,361 --> 00:38:56,067
never completed. This application is to accommodate a new subdivision

521
00:38:56,168 --> 00:39:03,015
designed from the last approval in 2023. This slide shows

522
00:39:03,276 --> 00:39:07,370
the last application presented at council in 2022. So the

523
00:39:07,551 --> 00:39:12,490
application was for the full property to be excluded. Ultimately,

524
00:39:12,591 --> 00:39:15,690
the applicant receive a conditional approval from the land commission

525
00:39:15,951 --> 00:39:20,650
in 2023, but only for a portion to be excluded

526
00:39:20,671 --> 00:39:24,250
only so the decision by the LR in 2023 was

527
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:27,450
to exclude about four acres of the land to allow

528
00:39:27,631 --> 00:39:34,010
for future subdivision. So the 2026 application ascent front of

529
00:39:34,431 --> 00:39:37,850
council today is generally in line with the decision from

530
00:39:38,111 --> 00:39:42,490
2023, meaning that only a portion of the property is

531
00:39:42,490 --> 00:39:45,210
being requested to be taken out of the LR as

532
00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:50,170
opposed to the previous application, which included the entire property.

533
00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:52,490
So you can see on the left corner that the

534
00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:56,330
area that's being proposed to be excluded. So the full

535
00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:59,370
property is 9. 2 acres total, and the area that

536
00:39:59,410 --> 00:40:03,450
being requested to be excluded is roughly 3. 38 acurs

537
00:40:03,490 --> 00:40:08,809
to allow a 10 lot subdivision. Ahead of today's council

538
00:40:08,809 --> 00:40:12,009
meeting, 106 notices were sent out to the residents located

539
00:40:12,049 --> 00:40:16,309
within that 100 metre buffer. Sign was posted, advertisement, and

540
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:19,689
a newspaper, and three large received and circulated to council.

541
00:40:21,603 --> 00:40:25,342
So only local governments can make nail art exclusion application

542
00:40:25,342 --> 00:40:28,862
to the commission. Um, so council adopted a policy to

543
00:40:28,902 --> 00:40:34,462
define what sort of application we could bring forward. All

544
00:40:34,502 --> 00:40:36,782
option has to be exhausted and no portion of that

545
00:40:36,963 --> 00:40:41,193
property can be designated agriculture in the OCP. So ALR

546
00:40:41,193 --> 00:40:44,553
exclusion is the only way to achieve the proposed residential

547
00:40:44,654 --> 00:40:49,553
subdivision in the property is designated low density residential, so

548
00:40:49,553 --> 00:40:53,593
not agriculture and EOCP. So this application is in line

549
00:40:53,593 --> 00:41:01,030
with the council policy. So again, it's been designated residential

550
00:41:01,211 --> 00:41:04,870
since the 90s. Um, the residential subdivision aligns with this

551
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:10,230
destination, only a portion is being proposed. And an existing

552
00:41:10,571 --> 00:41:15,750
road dedication on the property will dedicate it, but never

553
00:41:15,851 --> 00:41:18,150
constructed. We need to be closed as it's part of

554
00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:21,350
a previous approval as well. Um, and that concludes my

555
00:41:22,171 --> 00:41:29,576
presentation. Thank you. We are holding the public hearing in

556
00:41:29,616 --> 00:41:34,216
person and electronically, and we'll continue until everyone participating has

557
00:41:34,237 --> 00:41:37,330
had an opportunity to be heard. If you're in the

558
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:39,890
Zoom webinar and want to speak, please use the raised

559
00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:42,210
hand feature and you'll be given the ability to turn

560
00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:47,010
your camera and microphone on and provide your comments. Please

561
00:41:47,191 --> 00:41:50,770
keep your comments to three minutes and refrain from cheering

562
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:53,490
or during. You may return to the podium to speak

563
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:58,808
again if you run out of time. And. Is the

564
00:41:58,989 --> 00:42:02,968
applicant present and with the applicant like to make a

565
00:42:02,968 --> 00:42:05,848
presentation now or would you like to wait until after

566
00:42:06,269 --> 00:42:12,249
the public comments. You're right until after. Okay. Thank you.

567
00:42:13,936 --> 00:42:17,035
So, uh, for the first time, is that anyone that

568
00:42:17,035 --> 00:42:24,308
would like to speak to the ALR exclusion application. Please,

569
00:42:24,308 --> 00:42:27,668
if you could step up to the podium and provide

570
00:42:28,249 --> 00:42:30,948
your name and the street you live on and then

571
00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:35,576
give us your opinion. Good evening. I'm Henry Tessman. We

572
00:42:35,637 --> 00:42:40,850
live at cross the street at 727 Pineview Road. Uh,

573
00:42:40,871 --> 00:42:44,610
we're in opposition to the residential subdivision plan for 610

574
00:42:44,631 --> 00:42:48,711
pine view route. And our recommending to council not to

575
00:42:48,751 --> 00:42:52,071
move forward with the ALR exclusion application to the ALC.

576
00:42:54,420 --> 00:42:57,919
Our community is much more developed when compared to the

577
00:42:57,959 --> 00:43:03,119
1990s when the process started with using the agricultural land

578
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:08,341
at 610 Pineview for residential development. The pace of development

579
00:43:08,381 --> 00:43:11,781
has been particularly noticeable in our community since the last

580
00:43:11,821 --> 00:43:15,141
time we were here for a public hearing back in

581
00:43:15,322 --> 00:43:19,599
2022. We have infill happening on Pine V Road and

582
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:24,184
on Baltimo Avenue. The Avery place development has been completed

583
00:43:24,205 --> 00:43:28,320
in that time. The development on Temperstone is just about

584
00:43:28,981 --> 00:43:33,488
completed, just a lot or two, are undeveloped. There is

585
00:43:33,488 --> 00:43:37,088
development happening now on the north side of Evergreen on

586
00:43:37,088 --> 00:43:41,312
the north side of Pineview. And the more substantial development,

587
00:43:41,312 --> 00:43:46,672
as you know, happening at the south end of Evergreen.

588
00:43:46,672 --> 00:43:49,952
And also at the end of Dartmouth Drive. There's also

589
00:43:50,773 --> 00:43:55,457
the ongoing development happening on Hawthorne drive. So there are

590
00:43:55,578 --> 00:44:00,037
development happening in our Wilsea community avenue at this time,

591
00:44:00,037 --> 00:44:02,757
which begs the question, why do we need to pull

592
00:44:03,418 --> 00:44:08,801
agricultural land out to do more residential development. The August

593
00:44:08,841 --> 00:44:12,961
4th staff report states that the development of 610 Pindview

594
00:44:13,462 --> 00:44:19,281
contributes to council strategic priority objective of proactively planning for

595
00:44:19,542 --> 00:44:25,967
deliberate growth. Focusing on creating and inclusive, healthy and vibrant

596
00:44:26,007 --> 00:44:29,741
community. We don't think that this development will actually result

597
00:44:30,002 --> 00:44:34,384
in achieving those goals. The proposed 10 law development is

598
00:44:34,405 --> 00:44:38,864
on the south side of Pineview Road between two widing

599
00:44:38,904 --> 00:44:42,651
curves. Near to the entrance of the proposed development is

600
00:44:42,912 --> 00:44:45,771
a steep and winding incline as you come up pine

601
00:44:45,771 --> 00:44:49,735
view. There are concrete barriers located on the side of

602
00:44:49,735 --> 00:44:52,615
the row on the side of the road below the

603
00:44:52,636 --> 00:44:56,135
entrance to the proposed development and the road is narrower

604
00:44:56,175 --> 00:44:58,455
here than it is as you go up pine view.

605
00:45:00,123 --> 00:45:05,702
The proposed subdivision requires the property to be rezoned to

606
00:45:05,742 --> 00:45:10,266
large lot residential. Assuming that this is to densify the

607
00:45:10,266 --> 00:45:14,266
development, there will be a substantial increase in vehicular traffic.

608
00:45:14,656 --> 00:45:18,971
And the buildings will further decrease road visibility. This is

609
00:45:19,152 --> 00:45:22,963
a significant impact on our community. Pineview wrote is a

610
00:45:22,963 --> 00:45:26,169
busy road. There is a lot of heavy traffic related

611
00:45:26,169 --> 00:45:30,377
to the ongoing residential developments. There is also increased back

612
00:45:30,478 --> 00:45:34,537
and forth to the newly created parking lot access to

613
00:45:34,878 --> 00:45:39,140
access the upper wiltsy trails and the Skaha bluffs. There's

614
00:45:39,241 --> 00:45:43,691
no sidewalk on the south side of Pineview. It is

615
00:45:43,792 --> 00:45:47,211
unsafe to cross Pineview except for the deer to get

616
00:45:47,251 --> 00:45:49,051
to the sidewalk on the other side of the road.

617
00:45:50,558 --> 00:45:54,297
All family activities, as is happening now, will require travelling

618
00:45:54,318 --> 00:45:56,937
by vehicle to bus stops to schools and to playgrounds

619
00:45:57,518 --> 00:46:00,377
that otherwise are close by and could be accessed by

620
00:46:00,478 --> 00:46:06,606
foot. Better residential developments are happening in our community. Council

621
00:46:06,606 --> 00:46:08,766
does not need to take land out of the ALR

622
00:46:09,267 --> 00:46:12,366
as small as it may be described to further residential

623
00:46:12,467 --> 00:46:15,886
development in our community, especially when it is not achieved

624
00:46:16,147 --> 00:46:21,365
creating an inclusive, healthy, vibrant community. At this time, the

625
00:46:21,466 --> 00:46:25,414
land is still in the ALR. The various conditions that

626
00:46:25,414 --> 00:46:30,214
the ALR commission has set since 1993 have repeatedly not

627
00:46:30,214 --> 00:46:34,190
been met. The most recent failure is the developer's inability

628
00:46:34,211 --> 00:46:38,190
over time two - year timeframe to provide the requested

629
00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:42,572
subdivision plan. And new application by council to the ALR

630
00:46:42,673 --> 00:46:46,754
commission is required. So at this time, council should balance

631
00:46:47,095 --> 00:46:51,314
their priority of supporting a residential development that requires using

632
00:46:51,575 --> 00:46:55,954
agricultural land that is currently in the ALR with our

633
00:46:55,994 --> 00:47:01,314
community bylaws that requires counsel also to actively protect agricultural

634
00:47:01,415 --> 00:47:06,116
land. Time has passed by the need to use some

635
00:47:06,116 --> 00:47:09,796
of the agricultural land at 610 pine view for residential

636
00:47:09,897 --> 00:47:13,985
development in our community. This is the time for council

637
00:47:14,086 --> 00:47:19,688
to rezone 610 pine view entirely to agricultural. Land. We

638
00:47:19,869 --> 00:47:22,808
recommend to counsel not to proceed with the application to

639
00:47:22,909 --> 00:47:27,505
exclude the subject property from the ALR. We recommend to

640
00:47:27,606 --> 00:47:31,825
council to proceed with amending the zoning designation, as stated

641
00:47:31,926 --> 00:47:35,505
in the alternate recommendation of the subject property from the

642
00:47:35,846 --> 00:47:40,394
detached residential to agriculture. We also want to recommend to

643
00:47:40,735 --> 00:47:45,274
counsel that council should undertake a review of the future

644
00:47:45,375 --> 00:47:49,498
land use designations in our official community plan. To identify

645
00:47:49,759 --> 00:47:54,138
if other ALR land is currently in property designated as

646
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:59,338
being planned for residential use and to amend the designations

647
00:47:59,378 --> 00:48:09,299
to agriculture land. Specifically, the current you're going to have

648
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,859
two sentences. Okay. Okay. Specifically the current future land use

649
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,139
map shows all of six ten pine view as designated

650
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:22,419
for future residential development. This contradicts our OCP bylaw and

651
00:48:22,419 --> 00:48:25,779
doesn't reflect the reality that the entire property is currently

652
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,219
in the ALR and that the ALR has affirmed its

653
00:48:29,259 --> 00:48:35,740
agricultural viability. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Should we

654
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:39,420
go to Zoom call of one of our Zoom callers

655
00:48:39,441 --> 00:48:47,642
now. Lori is that, Lori, can you hear us, Laurie?

656
00:48:49,653 --> 00:48:52,592
Thank you. Um, my name is Laurie Goldman. I'm on

657
00:48:52,773 --> 00:48:55,952
Dolphin Avenue in Penticton. Um, I can't say much more

658
00:48:55,973 --> 00:49:00,632
to the gentleman's points who came ahead of me. He

659
00:49:00,632 --> 00:49:04,672
covered everything as a climate activist. You know that I'm

660
00:49:04,693 --> 00:49:08,672
very concerned about emissions. And I'm very concerned about food

661
00:49:08,853 --> 00:49:12,992
sustainability. I have not been out of my house in

662
00:49:12,992 --> 00:49:17,712
days except for short trips because of smoke. We are

663
00:49:18,053 --> 00:49:22,032
in a climate situation that requires us to consider food

664
00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:25,872
sustainability. And I think the ALR was set up for

665
00:49:26,213 --> 00:49:29,532
a reason. And this reason is a good one. And

666
00:49:29,532 --> 00:49:32,432
we need to consider our future when it comes to

667
00:49:33,013 --> 00:49:38,672
food sustainability. Yes. Everybody wants a development. We need development,

668
00:49:38,672 --> 00:49:42,192
but this is not the right place. ALR is there.

669
00:49:42,192 --> 00:49:47,152
We should actually, um, strengthen our ALR designations to keep

670
00:49:48,613 --> 00:49:52,572
our community green and to provide food for people, uh,

671
00:49:52,613 --> 00:49:56,672
we are developing the city so well in more dense

672
00:49:56,693 --> 00:50:01,392
areas where we can handle the water and all of

673
00:50:01,392 --> 00:50:05,232
the other infrastructure. I'm also very concerned about more cars

674
00:50:05,893 --> 00:50:08,992
creating more admissions going up into that neighbourhood. Thank you

675
00:50:09,032 --> 00:50:12,817
very much. Thank you. Do we have any more comments

676
00:50:13,078 --> 00:50:23,051
from the gallery. And so

677
00:50:23,392 --> 00:50:27,931
I would say for the second time is that anyone

678
00:50:27,931 --> 00:50:31,851
that would like to speak to the ALR exclusion application.

679
00:50:35,781 --> 00:50:38,560
And do we have any callers on Zoom with a

680
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,280
hand raised? Yes, we do. We have one rate hand

681
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:50,249
coming in just now. And Lynn Kelsey.

682
00:50:56,945 --> 00:50:59,804
So, um, I would like to just agree with the

683
00:50:59,804 --> 00:51:05,083
gentleman that spoke and also with Lori that, um. I

684
00:51:05,083 --> 00:51:06,923
sat on the OCP, not this last time, but the

685
00:51:06,923 --> 00:51:11,443
time before. And we made designations very clearly. When it

686
00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:14,603
was agriculture, it needs to be agriculture because we need

687
00:51:15,104 --> 00:51:20,305
that ability to. Have food. Local in our, in our

688
00:51:20,305 --> 00:51:24,625
community. And so I would like to, um, just suggest

689
00:51:24,886 --> 00:51:28,385
that this not go through because I don't want it

690
00:51:28,385 --> 00:51:33,185
to become a situation where, Oh, well, you approve the

691
00:51:33,446 --> 00:51:36,225
top part. Might as well just do the rest. That

692
00:51:36,225 --> 00:51:38,705
can't happen. I don't think it needs to happen. Thank

693
00:51:38,705 --> 00:51:44,487
you very much. Thank you. And do we have any

694
00:51:44,527 --> 00:51:53,397
more. Comments from the public in the gallery. So I'm

695
00:51:53,397 --> 00:51:56,237
going to call for a third and final time. If

696
00:51:56,237 --> 00:51:58,517
there's anyone that would like to speak to the ALR

697
00:51:58,618 --> 00:52:02,277
exclusion application for six, ten point view road.

698
00:52:09,794 --> 00:52:12,493
And do we have any more zoom callers? Don't raise

699
00:52:12,533 --> 00:52:14,602
hands and zoom your worship. Okay. So now we can

700
00:52:14,943 --> 00:52:18,400
hear from the applicant. If you'd like to step forward,

701
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:28,009
sir. Grieving your

702
00:52:28,030 --> 00:52:31,729
worship. For those of you that don't know me. My

703
00:52:31,729 --> 00:52:36,249
name is Ed Grifoni from CTQ consultants for engineers, planners,

704
00:52:36,249 --> 00:52:39,396
and urban designers out of Kelowna. I've been in the

705
00:52:39,396 --> 00:52:42,996
valley here for about 35 years, but I started my

706
00:52:43,017 --> 00:52:47,443
career right here in Penticton in 1975. And some of

707
00:52:47,443 --> 00:52:52,243
the people here know I did many, many planning projects,

708
00:52:52,243 --> 00:52:56,403
engineering projects, finance projects for the city of Penticton in

709
00:52:56,443 --> 00:53:00,403
the last 35 years as well. Anyway, we've been retained

710
00:53:01,064 --> 00:53:05,603
by the Figuera family to review the application that was

711
00:53:05,643 --> 00:53:11,443
before the city and before council. And to see if

712
00:53:11,483 --> 00:53:14,456
it could be amended. To move it forward in a

713
00:53:14,456 --> 00:53:17,484
positive manner. Uh, there was a lot of, for whatever

714
00:53:17,585 --> 00:53:21,324
reason, we don't know, but there was a lot of,

715
00:53:21,324 --> 00:53:27,804
I think, uh, misled consultants. Miss led municipality and misled

716
00:53:28,305 --> 00:53:31,484
land commission. What happened with this application. We've had the

717
00:53:31,585 --> 00:53:35,004
discussion with Audrey and her staff. And she's very well

718
00:53:35,025 --> 00:53:39,404
aware of all the history, most of which she's presented,

719
00:53:39,404 --> 00:53:44,327
uh, tonight. Of what happened with this application. As Audrey

720
00:53:44,367 --> 00:53:48,478
indicated, um, zoning on it. There's an OCP amendment on

721
00:53:48,478 --> 00:53:52,078
it. And there was a lot of discussion by the

722
00:53:52,118 --> 00:53:55,678
land commission in the city of Pendicton that called for

723
00:53:55,699 --> 00:53:59,438
this land out of all the ALR in the city

724
00:53:59,459 --> 00:54:04,943
of Penticton. To be considered for urbanization. So part of

725
00:54:05,044 --> 00:54:09,663
the land that's in the 610 Pine View and an

726
00:54:09,703 --> 00:54:13,503
adjacent piece of land. We're targeted by the land commission.

727
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:16,948
Back in the 90s when the land commission came to

728
00:54:17,049 --> 00:54:20,708
the city and said, do you want some land out?

729
00:54:20,708 --> 00:54:25,353
Which land and why? The justification was made. And then

730
00:54:25,694 --> 00:54:28,473
there was also further planning by the city of Penticton

731
00:54:28,814 --> 00:54:33,913
in the light of the upper valley view neighbourhood plan,

732
00:54:33,913 --> 00:54:36,713
I believe it was called, that continued to support the

733
00:54:36,814 --> 00:54:41,273
idea of allowing that area to be developed in an

734
00:54:41,273 --> 00:54:45,049
urban way. And that's how all this proceeded. So the

735
00:54:45,070 --> 00:54:50,489
land commission's decision to release that land that particular area

736
00:54:50,529 --> 00:54:55,049
of land. All of the figuerous land, all of 610,

737
00:54:55,049 --> 00:54:58,489
and the adjacent land still stands as far as the

738
00:54:58,510 --> 00:55:02,169
commission is concerned. However, like one of the gentlemen pointed

739
00:55:02,169 --> 00:55:05,269
out, and like Audrey pointed out at the beginning, um,

740
00:55:05,710 --> 00:55:10,217
the conditions weren't met. And this is one of the

741
00:55:10,217 --> 00:55:12,957
big issues that we had to deal with to come

742
00:55:12,957 --> 00:55:16,637
to this point today. Um, the plan that was put

743
00:55:16,738 --> 00:55:21,677
forward by the consultants before, uh, and then went forward

744
00:55:22,498 --> 00:55:26,839
to eventually to the commission basically was a concept. And

745
00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:32,279
the figuerous people realised that that plan for 10 lots,

746
00:55:32,279 --> 00:55:35,719
10, 11 lots could not be done the way it

747
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,599
was laid out. And that is because there's so many

748
00:55:39,020 --> 00:55:43,779
insinuating circumstances with that site in terms of developability. Uh,

749
00:55:44,060 --> 00:55:49,897
access off of the, um, point view. Um, steep slopes.

750
00:55:50,941 --> 00:55:54,705
Environmentally sensitive areas. Uh, the list goes on and on.

751
00:55:55,278 --> 00:55:57,977
The plan that went forward, the concept that went for

752
00:55:57,977 --> 00:56:00,884
it to the commission was flawed. So we took it

753
00:56:01,705 --> 00:56:05,524
and sat down with Audrey and Michael from the engineering

754
00:56:05,945 --> 00:56:09,124
development engineering and looked at it and said, you know,

755
00:56:09,305 --> 00:56:12,673
what can be done here. And we basically with very

756
00:56:12,774 --> 00:56:18,993
small changes in rectified that plan and presented it to

757
00:56:19,033 --> 00:56:21,953
the city. And then it went forward as hopefully going

758
00:56:21,974 --> 00:56:25,233
forward to the commission. We've had discussions with the commission

759
00:56:25,273 --> 00:56:30,033
directly about what is being planned here. They're in support.

760
00:56:30,033 --> 00:56:34,033
However, they also work quickly pointed out that because the

761
00:56:34,134 --> 00:56:37,873
timeline was passed in accordance to the legislation of the

762
00:56:39,014 --> 00:56:43,153
agricultural land, commission act. We had to go with another

763
00:56:43,654 --> 00:56:49,142
new application. And that's what's before you hear tonight. And

764
00:56:49,182 --> 00:56:52,022
what was submitted to, uh, to the planning department to

765
00:56:52,062 --> 00:56:55,782
go forward to the, to the commission. And Audrey, if

766
00:56:55,883 --> 00:56:58,582
you would be so kind to just flash up on

767
00:56:58,683 --> 00:57:02,822
the screen, the plan, the new plan with the revision

768
00:57:03,563 --> 00:57:12,772
that we. Um, so if, if you see

769
00:57:12,793 --> 00:57:18,772
that, um, in front of you, the small area in

770
00:57:18,793 --> 00:57:23,417
blue is the area, the additional area that's required. So

771
00:57:23,918 --> 00:57:27,897
compared to the area outlined in the black line, which

772
00:57:27,998 --> 00:57:31,737
was the former application that's being approved by the commission.

773
00:57:31,737 --> 00:57:36,334
Conditionally approved by the commission. Um, that blue area is,

774
00:57:36,334 --> 00:57:43,315
additional area. And I believe it's barely, barely, uh, but

775
00:57:43,315 --> 00:57:46,435
we put much more of the land down below that

776
00:57:46,475 --> 00:57:50,275
you see than the checkered green back into the ALR.

777
00:57:50,889 --> 00:57:55,348
So there's more land put back in than that's taken

778
00:57:55,388 --> 00:57:59,596
out. And that area that's taken out is in order

779
00:57:59,596 --> 00:58:02,716
to allow the cul - de - sac, the access

780
00:58:02,897 --> 00:58:07,996
road, um, the relotting of the subdivision down below to

781
00:58:08,036 --> 00:58:12,269
make it work around the very steep slopes. And the,

782
00:58:12,269 --> 00:58:16,801
um, on the ESA environmentally sensitive area down there. Um,

783
00:58:17,302 --> 00:58:22,441
so, uh, in conclusion, there's more land that's going to

784
00:58:22,441 --> 00:58:27,281
be put into the ALR than what was permitted by

785
00:58:27,382 --> 00:58:31,802
the land commission. And at the same time, allows for

786
00:58:31,823 --> 00:58:36,122
a very, uh, standard of subdivision that's much better than

787
00:58:36,162 --> 00:58:39,023
what was presented before. And this is what we would

788
00:58:39,023 --> 00:58:43,641
like to go forward to the commission for consideration. And,

789
00:58:43,641 --> 00:58:46,441
um, the commission was quick to point out, as we'll

790
00:58:46,462 --> 00:58:49,401
hear as we've heard from Audrey as well, the commission

791
00:58:49,441 --> 00:58:52,201
was quick to point out that because there was a

792
00:58:52,201 --> 00:58:56,041
little bit more ALR land affected, even though there was

793
00:58:56,081 --> 00:58:59,161
more put back in, it had to go through proper

794
00:58:59,342 --> 00:59:03,131
process to be considered by the commission. So I hope

795
00:59:03,552 --> 00:59:06,331
that explains it. We haven't. We don't think we've done

796
00:59:06,592 --> 00:59:12,971
anything untoward with regard to agricultural land protection, uh, or

797
00:59:12,971 --> 00:59:16,691
that subdivision that was approved by the commission. Again, I

798
00:59:16,691 --> 00:59:21,371
go back to the point that the land commission through

799
00:59:21,371 --> 00:59:25,793
working with the city of Penticton. And their OCP back

800
00:59:25,894 --> 00:59:29,633
in the early into the mid 90s. They were the

801
00:59:29,633 --> 00:59:32,993
ones that basically said, yes, this is land that we

802
00:59:33,033 --> 00:59:37,044
will release from the ALR. And that, by the way,

803
00:59:37,305 --> 00:59:40,484
is typical of the way a lot of the ALR

804
00:59:40,585 --> 00:59:46,084
exclusions in British Columbia Airbnb through an OCP process through

805
00:59:46,105 --> 00:59:51,364
due process with councils, with staffs, um, with the public

806
00:59:52,665 --> 00:59:56,884
to exclude certain areas of land that are deemed appropriate

807
00:59:56,905 --> 01:00:01,044
for, uh, for urbanization as opposed to continuing to be

808
01:00:01,225 --> 01:00:06,927
used for, um, agriculture. So hopefully that explains kind of

809
01:00:06,927 --> 01:00:12,091
how we got to where we are today. Thank you.

810
01:00:17,901 --> 01:00:23,170
And council, do you have any questions. Cancer stewart. Thank

811
01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:27,470
you. Just to clarify, because I think I wasn't, uh,

812
01:00:27,911 --> 01:00:30,450
crystal clear on this last one, we discussed this at

813
01:00:30,471 --> 01:00:35,710
council. I understood that land was not agriculturally viable, but

814
01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:39,570
then, uh, councillor Gilbert's comment caused me to question that

815
01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:43,410
assumption because I think he said that it's currently planted.

816
01:00:43,410 --> 01:00:50,786
Is that correct? Sorry through the chair to Councillor Stewart.

817
01:00:50,786 --> 01:00:56,837
There is an existing orchard on the property. The zoning

818
01:00:57,018 --> 01:00:59,957
was changed in the 90s around this area. Um, and

819
01:01:00,298 --> 01:01:03,557
then again, the OCP designation was changed to low density

820
01:01:04,298 --> 01:01:07,877
through a review process. Just I'd like to add that

821
01:01:07,917 --> 01:01:10,037
this was the only area. I think at that time

822
01:01:10,138 --> 01:01:14,437
that they would be considering taking land or as all

823
01:01:14,477 --> 01:01:18,177
the DLR back in 2002, I think I mentioned, um,

824
01:01:18,298 --> 01:01:20,957
that, but there is an existing orchard on appropriate. I

825
01:01:20,957 --> 01:01:27,002
hope that answer your question. Follow it. And, uh, I

826
01:01:27,002 --> 01:01:31,962
believe the, um, gentleman stated that ultimately this will result

827
01:01:31,983 --> 01:01:35,885
in a net positive to the ALR lens. Once this

828
01:01:35,906 --> 01:01:39,805
area is redesignated, but the, um, another portion is put

829
01:01:39,805 --> 01:01:42,571
back in. Did I get that right? Through the chair

830
01:01:42,672 --> 01:01:46,411
to councillor steward, and I think that's still on the

831
01:01:46,672 --> 01:01:50,951
table here. I think the information that they were, um,

832
01:01:51,712 --> 01:01:55,451
or wanted to share is that the decision that was

833
01:01:56,112 --> 01:02:01,451
made previously line commission. It was roughly, um, four acres,

834
01:02:01,451 --> 01:02:04,251
like I think. And now what they're looking at is

835
01:02:04,832 --> 01:02:09,611
3. 38 acres. So they are moving, um, the area

836
01:02:10,432 --> 01:02:13,451
so they could move the cul - de - sac.

837
01:02:13,451 --> 01:02:16,091
Increase the access to the existing house because the farmhouse

838
01:02:16,352 --> 01:02:19,131
is staying on the property. So it has to be

839
01:02:19,152 --> 01:02:21,991
done because there is a change from the previous, you

840
01:02:21,991 --> 01:02:27,431
know, application. So it is a slight smaller exclusion, but

841
01:02:27,431 --> 01:02:31,611
it is still an exclusion application. So, uh, in a

842
01:02:31,611 --> 01:02:34,411
way. So it's going from four acres, which was the

843
01:02:34,432 --> 01:02:43,979
previous approval to 3. 38 acres. Any further questions. I

844
01:02:44,019 --> 01:02:49,019
have a question for the applicant. The entire parcel in

845
01:02:49,059 --> 01:02:53,766
question is of a mixed quality of land. There's some

846
01:02:53,766 --> 01:02:56,726
that is suitable for orchard in the sum that is

847
01:02:56,747 --> 01:03:02,006
not suitable. And so I'm just wondering, we haven't got

848
01:03:02,006 --> 01:03:05,286
a better map on our computer here because our program

849
01:03:05,627 --> 01:03:08,326
is not being friendly. So I don't know if we

850
01:03:08,347 --> 01:03:11,286
have a map of the entire property in its current

851
01:03:11,387 --> 01:03:20,815
format. Sorry, I don't think so.

852
01:03:21,316 --> 01:03:24,335
I don't have anything in this presentation. I'm just wondering

853
01:03:25,876 --> 01:03:28,895
what areas and what percentage of the property is currently

854
01:03:29,476 --> 01:03:32,655
in orchard, if you could, maybe if the applicant could

855
01:03:32,676 --> 01:03:42,393
step forward to the microphone and tell us. Where. They

856
01:03:42,393 --> 01:03:45,655
can tell you is that. When the land, you have

857
01:03:45,655 --> 01:03:47,895
to come to the microphone, sir, because otherwise people on

858
01:03:47,916 --> 01:03:54,499
Zoom can't hear you. Good question. Um, what I can

859
01:03:54,540 --> 01:03:58,179
tell you is when the commission did their work, um,

860
01:03:58,540 --> 01:04:03,559
they were assessing agricultural land capability soil capability. Class one

861
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:06,039
to seven and so forth. So that is on record

862
01:04:06,620 --> 01:04:10,599
somewhere. Um, we didn't get that information. Our client did

863
01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:13,639
not get that information. But it is available. And we

864
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:16,679
can tell you right now, I've done, I'm not going

865
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:18,919
to brag, but I've done most of the big ALR

866
01:04:18,959 --> 01:04:21,799
applications in the interior and in the open organ and

867
01:04:21,820 --> 01:04:27,079
colonna. And I find that so many of the lands

868
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:30,439
that are getting released. If you dig deep and get

869
01:04:30,620 --> 01:04:33,639
an agrologist in, they will tell you that there's a

870
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:36,679
lot of bedrock and the bedrock in this one here.

871
01:04:37,207 --> 01:04:40,206
Um, so that has been one of the issues. And

872
01:04:40,206 --> 01:04:43,426
one of the reasons why part of that land is

873
01:04:43,466 --> 01:04:47,346
not farmed. And the area down below next to the

874
01:04:47,607 --> 01:04:50,066
figure island that was approved by the commission at that

875
01:04:50,106 --> 01:04:54,626
time was in principle wanting to be released as well.

876
01:04:55,287 --> 01:04:59,977
Cause it was questionable agricultural land. Thank you. Okay. Thank

877
01:04:59,977 --> 01:05:05,254
you. Any further questions. From council.

878
01:05:11,499 --> 01:05:15,509
The public question period is. At an end.

879
01:05:25,883 --> 01:05:31,092
One. Looking for cancer for approval to hear somebody from

880
01:05:31,513 --> 01:05:39,878
the gallery again. That's the trouble. So. That's the risk.

881
01:05:42,954 --> 01:05:45,093
Sarah, if you'd like to come to the podium again.

882
01:05:46,288 --> 01:05:49,899
And we'll take one more comment. I understand that it's

883
01:05:49,939 --> 01:05:55,330
appropriate to come for a response. I think what we're

884
01:05:55,351 --> 01:05:58,850
trying to say as a community to council is that

885
01:05:58,850 --> 01:06:02,050
we have a lot of good development happening in our

886
01:06:02,090 --> 01:06:06,891
community. We don't see the need why counsel is going

887
01:06:06,891 --> 01:06:16,524
to, um. Take land agricultural land that is viable. Out

888
01:06:16,524 --> 01:06:19,787
of the ALRR. And set a priority that that is

889
01:06:19,827 --> 01:06:24,427
more important in our, in our, uh, community plan bylaw

890
01:06:25,248 --> 01:06:29,467
and trying to create vibrant communities which is not going

891
01:06:29,467 --> 01:06:32,187
to be achieved with this. So our community is speaking

892
01:06:32,187 --> 01:06:35,467
up to say you're not meeting the community goal in

893
01:06:35,467 --> 01:06:39,067
terms of what you're getting out of this residential development.

894
01:06:39,067 --> 01:06:41,627
And you're not balancing that out against the priority of

895
01:06:42,208 --> 01:06:46,427
maintaining agricultural land that is viable and is in our

896
01:06:46,448 --> 01:06:48,747
ALR. That was the point that we were trying to

897
01:06:48,768 --> 01:06:51,467
make. Thank you. And maybe if you can wait at

898
01:06:51,507 --> 01:06:54,347
the podium, please, because I think councillor what has a

899
01:06:54,347 --> 01:06:59,285
question. Thank you, the chair. So my, my question is,

900
01:06:59,285 --> 01:07:02,485
if we're hearing bedrock and not necessarily viable, but you're

901
01:07:02,485 --> 01:07:08,325
suggesting it is viable. The ALR and its assessment of

902
01:07:08,325 --> 01:07:13,685
the 2022 submission, uh, did an extensive analysis of the

903
01:07:14,266 --> 01:07:20,085
agricultural viability of the land. There are parts of the

904
01:07:20,125 --> 01:07:24,085
land that aren't viable, but overall it was a sustainable

905
01:07:24,426 --> 01:07:29,429
viable agricultural operation. Drive up and take a look at

906
01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:34,229
the orchard. The peaches are coming off now. The community

907
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:38,269
is blessed to have that in its area. Part of

908
01:07:38,269 --> 01:07:40,869
that is the passion for coming here and providing that

909
01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:49,440
feedback continuer decision making process. Thank you. Any further questions.

910
01:07:50,434 --> 01:07:54,607
From council? Council is Stuart. Thanks to the chair. I'm

911
01:07:54,647 --> 01:07:56,687
not sure. I guess this is more of just a

912
01:07:56,727 --> 01:08:02,927
comment that we can debate it later to here. It

913
01:08:02,927 --> 01:08:06,925
was just gathering information from the public. On their opinions

914
01:08:07,346 --> 01:08:10,492
and the applicant. And then when we come back to

915
01:08:10,492 --> 01:08:13,932
the meeting, then we get a chance to debate. Thank

916
01:08:13,932 --> 01:08:23,844
you. Thank you. So. Now we've had the full

917
01:08:23,884 --> 01:08:26,964
submission of comments from the public. I'm going to call

918
01:08:27,004 --> 01:08:32,794
this public hearing to an end. It is now closed

919
01:08:33,215 --> 01:08:37,324
and no new information can be received. Thank you for

920
01:08:37,364 --> 01:08:40,764
those watching. And we will now reconvene the regular council

921
01:08:40,764 --> 01:08:43,644
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922
01:08:43,745 --> 01:08:46,844
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923
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