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Just let me know when it seems like members of the public have joined our Zoom. Yeah, it looks like people are joining right now. We've got about a half a dozen right now.

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Okay. I will call the meeting to order. Welcome to our first P back meeting of 2023. Hope everyone's having a good year so far and staying safe and dry in all this rain. I would like to ask the clerk to please call roll. Bond.

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And here, Marda, here, Awesomeire,

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Bjorky, Power,

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sorry, here.

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When, here, we'll consent, here, Cooper,

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We'll move on to item three, approval of minutes from our December 7th Peabak meeting.

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if any committee members would like to raise their hand at this time for any

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seeing it, any hands raised. And Nicole, I might

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ask you as vice chair to help. I'm at the call into my phone and so it's a little

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challenging for me to see all the panelists. So if I miss a hand at a point, if you

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could just interrupt me, that will be fantastic. But I don't have any hands, so we'll

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move forward and approve in minutes as they are with no changes and we'll move on to item

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four presentation of which there are none that brings us to item five general public comment.

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During general public comment the public is invited to make comments on items of public

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interests that are within the committee's subject matter jurisdiction and that are not listed on

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the current agenda including the presentation items. Public comments are limited to

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three minutes per person, depending on the number of persons wishing to address the committee,

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time will be allocated in equal shares, totaling no more than 20 minutes. Members of the public

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were previously invited to provide written public comments by emailing comments to the clerk

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two hours prior to the meeting start. Any received comments were distributed to the committee and

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placed on the agenda on the city's website as part of the public record for the meeting.

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comments received after the two hour threshold will be distributed and posted online following the meeting.

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Clerk, were there any public comments received?

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It was one public comment received.

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Wonderful. Thank you.

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Okay. I will pass it over to Denise to open public comment.

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And Madam Chair, if I will, yes.

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I see Pamela Asselvier is listed in the attendees.

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And she's a committee member.

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Thank you.

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Is someone able to promote her?

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She should be on the panel now.

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And can we make sure that her attendance is noted?

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Also Blake Hooper, is it attended?

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Hi, Blake.

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and hello Pamela and thank you Jerry

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okay all right so Denise would you please open public comment

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our first speaker is Sheila Baker and you can go ahead and unmute please okay thank you so much

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I just wanted to say at the very very last moment of signing into this meeting I remember that I

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not made my yearly contribution to Sonoma County bicycle coalition. And so I like to donate and

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hopefully other people do as well, other bicyclists, and really even anyone involved in active

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transportation, like to do it because I consider it like my church. And the reverend

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Eric Weaver is really, really good.

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I have enjoyed being a donator, and I really hope that people are members and donators

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to our very young, a county bicycle coalition, and I strongly recommend you go online, look

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up on the menu, support, and then hit the donate button.

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So anyway, thank you.

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I just wanted to say that.

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I think it's a very important part of your art experience here.

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Thank you.

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Our next participant is Susan Kirk's.

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Thanks. Could you change the view that the public is seeing so you have everyone on the screen?

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There's only one person appearing on the entire screen. I don't know how you set up your leave

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for the meeting, but it's not the way in most public meetings I usually see participants.

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So I hope you can change that and I'm not seeing a timer either so thank you for doing that. Now I can see everyone. I don't see a timer. So hopefully I won't take up. I don't know how many minutes I have two or three.

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I wanted to just comment tonight about my ongoing concerns about the absence of respect and regard for federal and state law.

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Your committee sent a letter of recommendation for the trail that was changed, I think, so I see the timer now, that was changed by the Public Works Department on a late bill to traverse under the Puddle and Marriver Bridge when they were submitting a grant application to the California Transportation Commission, that application was denied.

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I have obtained a copy of the feedback that was given to the staff and writing.

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Your staff said they would be meeting again with them in February for more information, but in fact,

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there was a lot of information the staff could have shared with you as committee members that evening when they reported that the application was denied.

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The same application is going apparently as is to the Metropolitan Transportation Commission.

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If your committee was responsible, you would have regard for federal and state laws,

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migratory bird treaty act, and the state code that protects active nesting birds.

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There is a longstanding colony of cliff swallows that flood they fly thousands of miles from

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Argentina to nest at the Pemblemar River Bridge every year.

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this past year, there were 563 ms there. It would be such a clear violation of both federal and state law to try and put a trail in that area.

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I brought this to your attention. Your committee approved the letter anyway and sent it. I just want you to know that's wrong.

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Okay, and so in essence, you have voted to ignore federal and state law.

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If you are responsible, you will tell the staff to pull that application, not have it

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reviewed at the Metropolitan Transportation Commission.

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And my organization, Madrid, Audubon, will be sending a strong letter of opposition and concern

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also to the Metropolitan Transportation Commission.

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So, yes, we want trails, we want renewable energy, but we need to do what every other

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city in Sonoma County does, which is have a sensitivity to and they come informed about

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environmental law. And that happens to be one of the reasons I ran for mayor. So I can say

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at least there are close to 2,000 voters in Catalina who agree with me. Thank you very much.

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Alyssa, are you on?

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Yes, I'm here. Thank you so much for covering Denise.

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Sure. Thank you.

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Let me share my screen.

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Okay, it looks like the next speaker is Peter Gang.

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Please unmute yourself and begin your through minutes of public comment.

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Thank you very much.

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I just wanted to make a short comment on a matter that is

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of relevance. In recent months, Safe Streets, Petaluma submitted an application for a $50,000

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grant to engage a group of consultants that call themselves City Thread to work with the

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city in looking at all of the planning currently underway for bike-ped infrastructure.

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We were awarded the grant, and today we had our first Zoom meeting with the city thread

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principles. There were, I think, nine of us from Petaluma,

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or 7 of us from Petaluma, plus Iris Weaver and Emily Sharton from Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition.

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It was just a kickoff meeting.

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City thread principles will be in Petaluma on January 24th and 25th, meeting with city staff, elected and selected community members.

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and then in the next month to month and a half, they will be having follow-up meetings

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with those stakeholder groups. Eventually coming up with a report sometime in May,

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identifying, as I understand it, identifying the missing links in the whole

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ecosystem of our transportation or non-automotive mobility planning world, and

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advising us on what we can do to accelerate the build-out of our non-automobile

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mobility network. Okay, that's about enough time. I'm happy to engage with anybody

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else to give him more information.

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Thank you.

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Looks like the last speaker is Bruce Hagen.

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Please unmute yourself and begin your three minutes.

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Oh hi.

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Thanks everybody.

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And just to follow on Pete's comments to some extent.

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I don't know if his Bjorn is in there.

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He was at the meeting as we're several of other people from the city staff.

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That is good.

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In light of that, I took the opportunity of a very rainy day to go out and

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actually drive a car and I had to go up right here and took a look at what the bike lanes look like

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and the parking looks like from a driver's perspective. And while I think it's a good plan,

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I also thought that if the plan that was recommended by pretty much all of the neighbors that live there

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would be just as good. And so in the context of how do we go forward and get things done more quickly,

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how do we get the neighbors to be supporting, maybe not exactly what we would do if the neighbors didn't have a chance to speak on it, but pretty darn close to what active transportation advocates want, that things will happen more quickly and I was a bit disappointed

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I had to drop off the call at the last meeting, the Zoom of the last meeting.

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So I thought that I was hearing a lot of support for the neighbor proposal,

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but the guidance that was given by most people who spoke at the end was that they liked the existing configuration

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and they wanted that to continue.

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I would just suggest that as we think about our roles as bike advocates,

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that's whether we're on P back or in advocacy group

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like the Sonoma County by Coalition or Safe Streets

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that we look at how do we build partnerships with neighbors

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and we may not get exactly what we want

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but we'll get something that's really good.

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Maybe it will be exactly what we want

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but we'll get it quickly without a lot of drama.

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So I know that this rain air four to three

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Reconfiguration is going on to City Council and I expect they'll have a chance to have another look at this and maybe take

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Take put a greater weight on that that aspect of it

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But I would like the the commissioners having been a commissioner myself to start thinking of their role as

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facilitators with the community and not just cyclists and not just walkers

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But anybody that wants to get around, whether it's by car or otherwise, and I think that will be who of us will make a lot of progress if we if we pursue that route.

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So I will not be able to stay tonight for the the neighborhood traffic calming, but I did read Brian Barnacles comments on an email and I agree 100% with what he said about that, particularly that we don't want to have something that pulses once a year.

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And we need to have a factor in there that shows how much support is there from the street where the project is going to take place.

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Thanks a lot for your work. Happy New Year and we'll see you around.

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You, uh, Chair Bond, that looks like they're not-

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Other hands raised. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you, everyone, for those comments. We will move on to item six communications. There were two communications received from staff, one on way, finding and one on traffic coming. We will move on to item seven, old business. We have two items tonight. Oh, sorry. We have one old business, one new business. Our first item of business is to review and provide feedback.

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back on the Fist Street Bike Boulevard Project.

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And I will hand this over to Bjorn.

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All right, great.

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Thank you, Chair Bond.

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Good evening committee members.

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Give me one second here while I get my screen sharing.

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I'll set up.

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All right, hopefully you are seeing my screen now.

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All right, sounds like it looks like a blur.

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So we'll just jump right into it.

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So bringing this item back to Peevac,

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I know that you all have provided input on the fifth street bike bowl of our a couple of times now and in many ways, it's a project that sort of had its genesis with this committee.

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And so tonight just want to provide an update on where we are with our engagement with the community and then also our some of the design ideas that we have.

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And much like we did with the D-street presentation a couple of months back, this will largely,

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it's very similar to the same, it's the same presentation basically that we gave to the community in November.

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And I will, and I include some poll results from that evening's meeting with the community,

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I just see you can kind of get a sense of who was in the room and what their opinions were on the project and

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Then I can also kind of anecdotally share the survey results. We we closed our we had a survey open from

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November early November until about December 20th and I actually we spent today

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public sentiment is on that project among at least among the people who responded to the survey.

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So again, I'll share those anecdotally kind of as I'm passing through.

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So the first question we asked in that community workshop was basically what people's connection

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was with Fifth Street. We had really good representation from people who live on Fifth Street,

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about 42% and then slightly just just a few folks fewer who live near Fifth Street. But most people

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living either on or near Fifth Street and that was very similar in the survey. Our largest response

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group was actually, again, people who live on Fifth Street for the survey. We ask people how they

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use Fifth Street. No surprise that people use it in many different ways. You can see a pretty

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be even split here between people who bike drive and walk on fifth street. And those

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results were, again, very similar on the survey. For people who didn't live on fifth

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street, but responded to the survey, the majority of them actually walk or bike, and then

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about half of those folks reported that they drive on fifth street. And most people use

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it in multiple ways.

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So going into the project overview and I'll probably move pretty quickly through these because I know the committee is very familiar with this project.

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But I'll do my best to, you know, if there's anyone from the public here tonight who is not as familiar to try to explain things.

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So this, like I mentioned earlier, this project really kind of came about in a couple of ways.

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but largely was identified by the community and by feedback as a really good low traffic alternative

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to pedal in the Boulevard South as the city was working on the road diet project and it became

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clear that the city would not be able to provide continuous bike lanes for the entire stretch between

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D Street and Crystal Lane. Fifth Street gained a lot of traction as a potential low traffic parallel

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all route to pedal in the boulevard south.

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The concept of the bike boulevard is actually also supported by the city's bicycle and pedestrian

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master plan.

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Back in 2008, I'd recommend that plan recommended conducting a pilot project and it actually

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recommended East D street as a potential pilot, but based on the support that we have for

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this project and the way it was identified during the road diet process, this project

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sort of rose to the top of the city's list.

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The city was also included in the Slow Streets program in which the city closed a handful

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of local neighborhood streets through traffic, essentially local traffic only to provide space

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for folks to walk and bike in the street while maintaining social distancing and I know I checked

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in with Ken and he's told me that fifth street was actually one of the most popular, if not the

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most popular, slow street that the city implemented. The project was or at least the concept was approved

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by City Council and included in our CIP budget for this year and of course is a project that supports

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active transportation to support some important city goals, including those around carbon neutrality and

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safe streets and active transportation.

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So the project goals are really to reinforce

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Fifth Street as a safe, slow, quiet neighborhood street that is inviting for people on who are

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foot bike scooter and but this is also a really good opportunity to use fifth

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street as a somewhat of a pilot project and and use it to test and evaluate

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and adjust and and hopefully develop design standards for future bike

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boulevards throughout Petaluma.

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So bike boulevards are known by a few different

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terms throughout the U.S. up in Portland and much of the Pacific Northwest, they tend to be

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referred to as neighborhood greenways. And we really like this description from Portland.

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Neighborhood greenways are slow quiet streets that prioritize people walking,

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bicycling, rolling. They are the backbone of the Safe Routes to School Network and connectors

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between neighborhoods, parks, schools, and business districts. And this picture gives a really good

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flavor of what you're looking for on a bike boulevard or a neighborhood greenway. It's really,

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it's a low traffic street. It's a neighborhood street that doesn't have through traffic.

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There aren't any bike lanes. It's a street where anyone, no matter how confident they are on a bike,

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should feel comfortable and safe riding in the street because the traffic volume and speed are so low.

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we did ask folks at the community workshop and in our survey, which naming they preferred, whether they preferred bike bowl of our neighborhood greenway or maybe another term.

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And neighborhood greenway actually came out on top on both the pole at our community workshops and here and on our on our survey.

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and what was interesting to see in the survey results among fifth street residents were almost

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unanimously in favor of neighborhood greenway over bike boulevard. When you filter out the folks

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who live on fifth street, bike boulevard is actually slightly more popular, but again for those living

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on fifth street it was almost unanimous in favor of neighborhood greenway. And then I think the only

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suggested I saw other than those two terms was neighborhood bikeway. So kind of a hybrid

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of the two. And I can tell you just looking at the comments on the survey, I think the

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general theme was that people felt neighborhood greenway was a little bit more inclusive. It

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didn't single out bikes. And also the fact that I think there's some negative connotations

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with Boulevard, you know, especially on a neighborhood street. Some people are sort of alarmed

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when they hear, oh, my street's becoming a Boulevard. So, just kind of, again, sharing

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what I saw in the survey results.

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So, my fifth street, well, as you all know, in the committee,

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your options for, I'm going to call this East West connectivity between downtown and

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are somewhat limited. There are only three streets that actually run all the way between

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D-Street and Mountain View Avenue, and those are Pellet and Boulevard South, Fifth Street

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and Sixth Street.

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And when you look at the ways that those streets are classified and the

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amount of traffic that they carry and that they are designated to carry, there are some

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pretty major differences. Penalable of our south is an arterial. It's got a higher posted speed

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limit and it sees 12 to 13,000 vehicles per day on average. Sixth Street is a collector,

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so basically one step down from an arterial and sees over 7,000 cars a day on the busiest segments.

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And then fifth street is a local street, which really means it per our city's definition.

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That's it's not really supposed to carry any traffic, any three traffic.

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So if you are using fifth street, really it should be because you are either starting

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or ending your trip on fifth street based on the way our streets are designated.

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And it has lowest traffic volume below 1000 vehicles per day.

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So, again, in our, going moving from highest traffic volume and speed to lowest traffic volume and speed,

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so you have pilum of the wall right south, the top is arterial, 6th street as a collector, 5th street down at the bottom as a local street.

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And the reason, again, that that makes 5th street a really good candidate for a bike boulevard is because it's carrying much less traffic and the traffic is carrying is going to,

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it tends to move at a lower speed.

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So that just means less exposure for people on bikes.

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And therefore, means a more comfortable riding experience.

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So I mentioned, this really came about

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as we were looking at the pedal-in-the-bull-of-art-south

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road diet project and the type of bike facility

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that we were able to provide on pedal-in-the-bull-of-art-south

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changes as you move throughout the corridor

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or based on the right of way with.

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And so what I'll do here is I'll kind of,

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I'll move from basically, from right to left,

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from crystalline moving over towards downtown

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and sort of describe what's in place.

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So from crystalline about in view,

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you have buffered bike lanes.

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You know, the street is much wider there.

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And so it's a pretty comfortable

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riding experience. If you look, there's a methodology called level of traffic stress where you can actually determine basically what types of riders you are catering to or maybe find what would use the facility based on the type of bike facility and also the exposure to traffic.

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And so if you apply that analysis to that section of pedal to the wall of our itself, as you can see there, it would appeal to the group of bicyclists we would consider interested but concerned.

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So that's a good majority of people who are, you know, would be interested in biking, but maybe they're not going to ride if they don't feel totally safe.

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If the next stretch from Mountain Dew Avenue to H Street, there you just have standard class

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two bike lanes that appeals to fewer people, that appeals to the enthused and confident.

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So these are folks who are likely already riding and feel somewhat comfortable on any street,

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but it would not include say, you know, a first-time rider or a kid or someone who is less

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comfortable on a bike.

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then from each street to downtown, that's the most constrained section.

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That's where you move to a class three shared lane situation where people biking are expected

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to share the lane with vehicle traffic.

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and fearless.

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So those are folks who are extremely comfortable, pretty much riding anywhere.

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And that's obviously the smallest group of bicyclists.

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again, there's this really intriguing opportunity to create a continuous route from

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crystalline all the way to downtown that appeals to a greater majority of people on bikes.

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And so connecting those buffer bike lanes from crystalline to mountain view avenue with the

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proposed bike boulevard opens this up to again a much hopefully to more mode shift and this is

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really why we're looking at this at the bike history bike boulevard.

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So walking through some of the

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design options that were presented at our community workshop and that we asked folks about in the survey.

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First off is signage and lane markings. So the purpose of this, obviously, is to assist.

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Just with wayfinding, help people find their way, but also to clearly communicate what's going

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on in the street, and make sure that all road users, whether they're walking, biking,

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or driving are aware of those operations. So looking at these examples in Portland,

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their approach has been to post 20 mile an hour speed limit signs along their neighborhood

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greenways, and then they've got a special placard underneath the speed limit sign showing neighborhood

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greenway. And they also, and they just use Cheros. They have a standard shared lane marking that

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they use over in Berkeley and also in Santa Rosa. They actually use the same branding with the

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bicycle boulevard signage you see on the right there. So what they've done is they've actually

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replaced all their street signs with those special signs you see in the bottom right corner there.

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That's on Humboldt Street in Santa Rosa.

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And they also have a slightly different lane marking.

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Let me show you that here.

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So on the left there is the bike boulevard lane marking that was sort of standardized by Palo Alto and Berkeley in the early evolution of bike boulevard.

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And then on the right there is just a standard chair, which we already have throughout Petaluma that's that's what again what Portland and Seattle use for their neighborhood greenways.

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So this project we are proposing to test out some surface mounted speed humps and have received fire departments blessing to use something similar to what's shown here.

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basically has a break in the hump not only for people biking but also for fire

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trucks to maneuver so that they're not slowed down when they're responding to an

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emergency and the proposed locations that we came up with early in the design

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process were between ENF streets and then actually two sets of speedhumps on the

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really long block between I street and not new.

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including curb extensions and bullbouts at every intersection where feasible.

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Here, I'm showing how this was done in a quick build fashion over near Loma Vista Immersion Academy.

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So we could expect they would look somewhat similar to these because this will be a quick build project.

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Just using some again striping and surface mounted materials.

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You can see that in this case the stop sign was actually moved off the sidewalk and out into a more visible location.

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and there are also some parking blocks used to sort of protect the area and keep cars out of

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there. So what this does is it slows traffic, but it's really important to making the street more

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pedestrian friendly, more so than making it more bike friendly. This shortens the pedestrian crossing

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distance. It improves site distance, you know, if you're someone who's walking on foot and you're out

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in a more visible location before you're potentially stepping out into a place where you are

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exposed to vehicle traffic and crossing the street. So, yeah, just a kind of a proven treatment that

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we could use to make the street a little bit more pedestrian-friendly.

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High visibility crosswalks,

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we already have these all over town. Whenever we talk about a high visibility crosswalk, really all we

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mean is that it's got those big continental stripes.

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It's not the two parallel lines that you see some places.

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And so the image here shows what a high visibility

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crosswalk looks like.

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And we would be installing these at all intersections

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where we have pedestrian crossings and curb ramps.

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And then building on the success of the traffic circle at Bassett and Uppum we thought it would be worthwhile to potentially test traffic circles at B Street, G Street, and I Street, if feasible and feasible as a big, that's a key word here because we do need to look at the geometry of intersections whenever we propose a traffic circle to make sure that we do have an adequate.

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adequate room for larger vehicles, trucks, fire trucks to make any needed maneuvers around the

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circle. The reason we came up with those locations is those are places where traffic on

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fifth street is currently expected to, or traffic on fifth street is currently expected to stop.

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And so these actually create a much more efficient bicycling experience for anyone who's biking

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along Fifth Street. You're going to yield at the traffic circle rather than be expected to come

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to a full stop. And we know from the experience of other cities and just the physics of bicycling that

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that is far more efficient. And it's more aligned with the way that people most people already bike.

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And I think I'll get into that in a second here.

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I'll kind of expand on that a little bit.

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So we did ask people if they're in favor

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of testing traffic circles in those locations.

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Majority of folks said yes.

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And these results were almost exactly the same

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in the survey.

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So brought support for the traffic circles.

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So I kind of got ahead of myself there,

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but stop sign removal on fifth street.

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So again, best practice for bike boulevards

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is, or neighborhood greenways, is to actually remove stop signs wherever possible along the route travel for people biking.

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That creates a more efficient bicycling experience and therefore encourages biking.

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But it also improves predictability and encourages more cautious driving across the bike route.

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drivers tend to be a lot more careful when they come up on an intersection that is not an always stop where, you know, maybe where they have to stop, but they know that cross traffic doesn't stop.

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They're going to, you're really going to look left, look right, look left again. And that's the kind of behavior we want for people who are driving across what we hope would be a major bike route.

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So the proposed locations are F street, which is a pretty small intersection, which is why we didn't recommend it for a traffic circle. We just would recommend only a stop sign removal there.

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And then anywhere a traffic circle is installed. So again, potentially EG and I streets.

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So here you can see some signage from San Luis Obispo.

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this is on a cross-street.

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is a bike boulevard,

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but you also have that reminder underneath the stop sign.

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Cross traffic does not stop.

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So again, this had pretty high support among those

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at the community workshop and likewise with the survey.

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you'll be familiar with this

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because we also talked about this on the de-street traffic calming, in the traffic calming presentation.

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And so these, this is a treatment that's often used at major intersection crossings for

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bike boulevards, very popular in Berkeley and in Portland. What these do is they

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produce the amount of through traffic on the bike route because if you encounter one of these as

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you're driving a long D street or sorry a long fifth street, you're no longer allowed to drive

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through there. So that's going to filter out some through traffic. Also, if you're driving

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on D street, it's not going to allow you to make a left turn onto fifth street. And a big reason

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we really like this for the fifth and D intersection in particular is there has been a pretty high

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frequency of collisions involving drivers, especially trying to cross D at fifth or make left turns.

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And so this would eliminate those collisions. And then also, it also has a benefit of,

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again, reducing through traffic on fifth street. And it provides a refuge island in the middle for

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people on foot and bike as they're crossing the street.

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So I show this last time with you

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all, just some illustrations showing that there are plenty of detours. We're also actually

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looking at the fourth street intersection, as you all know, from the D-street meeting for traffic

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for traffic derators. And so this just shows that basically every turning movement,

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And you can think of that would now be prohibited.

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There's another relatively convenient option.

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And we really wouldn't create any significant detour effects.

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And we're pretty confident that it wouldn't really create any significant diversion effects

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on any of the surrounding streets.

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When you have a street grid like we do here, that sort of diffuses the diverted trips.

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and especially as people become more familiar with the conditions.

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So we really don't expect there to be a significant impact on any of the nearby streets,

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but we would definitely select plenty of traffic counts and turning movement counts before the project is installed

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and while the project is after the project is installed to fully understand those impacts.

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So,

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in the workshop, we asked folks if they were in favor of testing traffic

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diverter, this slide looks a little different because we weren't able to grab a

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screenshot, but I went back and watched the recording, and luckily I said I said

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the I said it out loud. So 64% were in favor, 23% against 13% unsure, and I believe

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there was more support actually in the survey for the traffic diverter at the

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street.

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So some of the feedback we have received to date early on from feedback, from feedback

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especially we heard that it's really important to provide safe, easy crossings at the major

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intersections with a pretty strong emphasis on the D-Street intersection is being the one that

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a lot of people were worried about. We've heard especially from folks who live on Fifth Street

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that they would like us to incorporate street trees and greenery and public art wherever possible.

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We've heard broad support for traffic calming with many suggestions to look at lowering the speed limit on 5th street down to 20 miles an hour.

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And then on the concern side, we have heard a lot about concerns about pavement quality, especially near D street on the blocks closest to D street and those incoming from people who bike.

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We've heard concerns about too much striping and signage being a little unsightly and negatively affecting the neighborhood character.

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And then we've heard from a handful of people, especially on I'd say 6th Street, who are concerned about the impacts of traffic diversion.

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So this is our most recent timeline.

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I realize this does not include the previous two meetings with feedback.

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But sort of since we relaunched our community engagement efforts on this project.

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It had been starting with the November community workshop.

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I mentioned that we had the online survey that was up for over a month.

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So when I failed to mention that we got 77 responses to the survey.

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So, we're here tonight sharing the survey results, the feedback we received and the design options.

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After tonight, we are going to start putting together that recommended design and come back to the community with another workshop in February or March just to sort of to provide an update, give everyone a summary of everything we've heard.

427
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share the proposed design with them and then give them a preview of what to expect with the actual construction of the quick, quick build project in spring or summer 2023.

428
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And with that, we'll just wrap it up and say we're tonight, again, we're just looking

429
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for feedback, happy to answer questions from the committee, and reminder to go to the

430
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Project Web page that is shown here to sign up for Project Updates, and we'll be sending

431
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out the survey results very shortly.

432
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Now that those are all been compiled.

433
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,020
All right, so I think that's it for me.

434
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:48,420
And I'll put it over to the chat.

435
00:43:49,620 --> 00:43:52,080
Thank you, Bjorn, for that presentation.

436
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:57,020
And we will now move to committee members that have questions.

437
00:43:57,020 --> 00:43:59,280
If you could please raise your virtual hand.

438
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,100
And I will call on you and we'll go to public comment.

439
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,920
And then after that, if you have comments to make,

440
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,160
but try to keep this round to questions for Bjorn.

441
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:14,120
Okay. So let's see. We have Marsha. Go ahead.

442
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,500
Great. Thanks Kelly. I want to thank you for this complete

443
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:24,760
staff report beyond it. It's very well done.

444
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,620
I would like to just suggest because I suggest this all the time

445
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that if there's a PowerPoint connected to a presentation,

446
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I'd love to see it as part of the agenda so that we all could review

447
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ahead of time, but be so that the public could review it as well. It's a little easier if you

448
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:48,140
have a heads up by being able to see the PowerPoint because it does explain a lot of, a lot of

449
00:44:48,140 --> 00:44:53,920
questions that certain people might have. Aside from that, I was wondering if you could tell me

450
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,480
because I have no idea how this works. When we're talking about traffic diverters.

451
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,460
And we're talking about quick bills, which is just paint. How safe does the quick build on a traffic

452
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:12,920
diverter corner make me feel as a pedestrian or a bicyclist?

453
00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:17,800
Yeah, so there's a few different

454
00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:27,580
options we have there between delineators. Those are those plastic, flexible posts. And those are

455
00:45:27,580 --> 00:45:31,520
even made with varying diameters.

456
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:36,500
And some look a lot more intimidating than others.

457
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,860
I mean, they can all be run over by a car.

458
00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:42,960
But some are much thicker and look a little bit more

459
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,000
imposing to drivers.

460
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:49,980
But then there's also, like I showed with the image there

461
00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:54,400
from Berkeley, what they used parking blocks, basically.

462
00:45:55,580 --> 00:46:08,420
And so those are, you know, enough to stop, well, I don't know that they're going to stop a car traveling at a high speed, but you definitely wouldn't want to run one over.

463
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:19,280
And yeah, so as far as quick build elements go, you know, those are probably the two most commonly used.

464
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:30,300
we could look to use something potentially even both here, but those are the most common examples we've seen so far.

465
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,820
Okay, well, don't get me wrong. I think this traffic diverter is, I think it's a wonderful idea, actually.

466
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:47,420
I do have a couple of concerns about it, but my number one concern is in its prior stages, the safety of those of us who are actually going to be crossing the street

467
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:52,680
using the traffic diverter as well as the car, which is also using it coming the other direction.

468
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,640
I am concerned that in between 4th Street and 5th Street and between D Street and B Street,

469
00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:06,120
we're proposing a great many changes. And all of the changes I think everyone in this committee

470
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:13,060
thinks is probably of quite a glorious idea because we are so in favor of having a bike

471
00:47:13,060 --> 00:47:22,680
boulevard kind of kind of thing, but I'm just concerned that we need to find a

472
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:29,400
way to educate the public, the motorist, the bicyclist, the walker, the

473
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,340
young family, members as they're trying to cross the street. We need to get

474
00:47:33,340 --> 00:47:41,320
this is really a huge education piece and I would love to see us really push

475
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:47,860
solidly for something that makes a great deal of sense regarding the education of the

476
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:52,980
populace with all of these new devices that we're including in about a four block area.

477
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:58,780
So from that, that's just a statement that there's no answer to that. But thank you for your time.

478
00:48:00,020 --> 00:48:00,600
Thank you.

479
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,260
Okay, Blake.

480
00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:13,900
I also wanted to thank you for the comprehensive presentation.

481
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:17,920
and keeping it just to comments, as asked,

482
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,260
one question I had in terms of the pushback

483
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:24,460
or concerns people had about added signage

484
00:48:24,460 --> 00:48:26,460
impact in the character of the neighborhood.

485
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:28,400
Could you provide a little more detail

486
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,160
what the actual concern was there?

487
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,180
It was just that.

488
00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:36,640
It was that, right now, you have streets

489
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,360
with minimal scraping and signage

490
00:48:40,360 --> 00:49:02,240
And that, you know, like I showed the, the bull about, the quick build bull about that the city installed by Luma Vista and, you know, there's, there's a lot more striping involved there to basically keep the space clear and really, you know, clearly convey the drivers that, that they shouldn't enter that space.

491
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:13,440
But I think there's definitely some opportunities there to potentially even work with the neighborhood to make those spaces more attractive.

492
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:23,560
So, just because so much of the time when we get public comment about improvements, it's to get these very changes to their neighborhood.

493
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,580
but the thing I'm trying to understand

494
00:49:25,580 --> 00:49:28,220
is the concern that there'll be more pedestrian

495
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:30,500
and bicycle travel use from other areas

496
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:31,440
coming to the neighborhood

497
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,800
if they get all of these improvements added.

498
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:35,440
Or...

499
00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:37,000
No, I don't think that's fair.

500
00:49:37,260 --> 00:49:38,620
I don't know that I've seen that sentiment,

501
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,980
but especially filtering out with this survey

502
00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:44,320
and with the D Street survey,

503
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,100
we've taken the time to filter out the responses

504
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:50,220
from the people who actually live on the street

505
00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:53,380
and compare those to the overall survey responses.

506
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:59,480
And on Fifth Street, the vast majority of residents

507
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,560
are in support of this project.

508
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:04,720
And that was just one concern.

509
00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:05,500
You know, concerned.

510
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,440
I noticed in a couple of comments

511
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and that we heard at the workshop was,

512
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,540
you know, let's think about the aesthetics of this, basically.

513
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:13,600
Gotcha.

514
00:50:14,460 --> 00:50:17,340
And then I had one more timeline question.

515
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:29,080
Once this gets to the quick build phase and it's gone through that, how long will it take for any more permanent changes to end up in the capital improvement plan?

516
00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:31,580
If there are any.

517
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:35,740
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't have a straightforward answer for that tonight.

518
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,420
That would really, you know, that's sort of pending.

519
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:46,880
being an evaluation of other city priorities in active transportation or, you know, if

520
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:53,700
any opportunities arise with other, you know, utility work or paving work, that's when

521
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:58,300
you have an opportunity to maybe make more permanent changes. That's the model we're

522
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using with D Street where we're testing the quick build out now in hopes that after some

523
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utility work is done, we'll have funding to do a more comprehensive reconstruction of the

524
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:13,120
roadway, but nothing is on the books for Fifth Street, unfortunately.

525
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:15,060
Thank you.

526
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:20,530
Okay, Mayor McDonald.

527
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:23,820
Almost. Thank you.

528
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:30,760
The great presentation. Thanks for covering all all the ground you covered.

529
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:37,940
And I was noticing that the Fist Street project intercepts the D Street Quick Build project.

530
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:43,260
And I'm wondering what timeline you've offered in public meetings for these

531
00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:47,580
street improvements to come to construction? Will they coordinate so that both

532
00:51:47,580 --> 00:51:51,960
happen at the intersection happens at the same time? Both projects?

533
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,580
Yeah, right now it's looking like they're on a very similar trajectory for

534
00:51:58,580 --> 00:52:03,940
implementation. I can't say whether they'll be done at the exact same time and even

535
00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:13,820
by the same contractor, but the D-street, the one element, you know, that we are looking

536
00:52:13,820 --> 00:52:22,860
at incorporating in the D-street project is the traffic deritter at Fifth Street, as

537
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:25,280
part of the D-street project.

538
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:33,280
But thanks. And then I noticed that a lot of streets, the new camera technologies at

539
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:40,300
signals is making unnecessary some of the bike buttons that we've had for crossing for

540
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:48,460
bikes, particularly 6th and D and on East Washington and what Maria I think is the one where

541
00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:51,100
we pulled the bike buttons out,

542
00:52:53,940 --> 00:53:00,440
do we have flashers at 5th and D? Now, can we, is that included

543
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,900
in this vision? So that, you know, when they get there, they can be activated by a bike

544
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:12,440
button as well as a pet button. So yeah, that's a really, really good question. We don't currently

545
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:21,800
have flashers at 5th and D. This is a question actually that I personally have dealt way to decon in

546
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:29,760
my previous role at Santa Rosa on whether or not you could actually use our rectangular rapid

547
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:40,260
flashing beacons to facilitate bikeway crossings at uncontrolled intersections. And the best,

548
00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:51,460
I mean, I haven't seen anything suggest that that's actually a legal or enforceable sign

549
00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:59,640
in California because the California vehicle code treats people who are biking like cars

550
00:54:00,220 --> 00:54:05,380
and they don't have the right of way at a location where they actually, you know, they're

551
00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:12,120
stop control, right? So if you're on fifth street on a bike, you come to a stop. You are treated

552
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:18,740
as a vehicle by the California vehicle code and hitting a flashing beacon does not change that.

553
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:25,440
If you became a pedestrian and you got off your bike and used the crosswalk as a pedestrian,

554
00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:32,900
I believe you would then have the right of way for the vehicle code. What's interesting is if you go

555
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:40,780
to Oregon, their state law actually treats both people on bikes and people on foot the

556
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:45,500
same at crosswalks, and they actually have the right of way at all crosswalks in Oregon.

557
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:51,920
So if you go up to Oregon, they use flashing beacons at these bike boulevard type crossings.

558
00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:59,760
I don't know any in California, and I don't know that it's a legal application if there

559
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,760
are any in California.

560
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,800
Yeah. So what a lot of cities in California are doing are actually they're going a step further and they're doing

561
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:13,540
what are called pedestrian hybrid beacons at bike boulevard crossings of major streets.

562
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:19,080
Those unfortunately are extremely expensive. I mean, they're basically traffic signals.

563
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:27,160
And so yeah, it's a whole kind of I mean, sorry, you got me going on a very technical like in the weeds thing.

564
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:33,540
but the sad, the unfortunate news is until the California vehicle code has changed to give people

565
00:55:33,540 --> 00:55:40,080
on bikes more rights at crosswalks, basically. We're sort of stuck on that one.

566
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,000
It's a really good explanation. Don't talk about it.

567
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:53,040
Yeah, I mean, I know what we all do is we roll up to the usually signals and then just hop on the

568
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,540
the sidewalk hit the crosswalk button and jump back on your bike again, but we're

569
00:55:58,540 --> 00:56:04,320
uncontrolled or you know stop limited. It's still hard to cross the street. Thank you.

570
00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:10,320
That's my question. Thanks. And I want to clarify too, there's a misconception that people on bikes

571
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:16,640
are not allowed in crosswalks. People on bikes are allowed in crosswalks on their bikes. It's just that

572
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,260
at an uncontrolled location,

573
00:56:20,740 --> 00:56:23,520
vehicle traffic is not legally required to stop for you

574
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,580
if you are on a bike.

575
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:27,400
If traffic has a red light or a stop sign,

576
00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:28,320
they are required,

577
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,800
but if you're just at an uncontrolled crosswalk

578
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:31,740
on your bike,

579
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,020
you're supposed to wait for a break in traffic.

580
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,340
All right, interesting stuff here.

581
00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:41,340
We're all learning tonight.

582
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,460
Thanks for that lesson Bjorn.

583
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,600
We will move on to Pamela.

584
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:48,900
Yeah, thank you for that presentation.

585
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:56,140
I appreciate that there were, you know, that you revisited some of the issues before it helped to have it summarized again.

586
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:04,820
I'm very interested in seeing the city do this, and I know this is the moment for some questions, so I'll keep it to that.

587
00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:13,220
that. Would there be any removal of parking along 5th Street with those, uh, a column ball

588
00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:19,600
bouts around the stop signs? And did any of the neighbors voice any concern about that?

589
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:31,200
So, yes, anywhere we install a, uh, a bullbound, a curve extension, um, there would be, uh, a very

590
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:37,780
minor impact, I would say in most cases one parking space at most two parking spaces.

591
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,560
And that is only if they aren't, if they are already there.

592
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:45,840
In a lot of cases we actually already have red curb near street corners.

593
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,980
So it's just a question of what's there today and then we maybe have to, you know, extend

594
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:53,500
that red zone if it's already there.

595
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:59,900
But that's, you know, that's something that we really as a city are moving towards anyways

596
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:04,360
as a way to improve site distance and open up site lines at intersections.

597
00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:10,960
I mean, it's called intersection day lighting and it's proven to be one of the simplest and most effective things

598
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,080
you can do to improve intersection safety.

599
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:20,640
Great. Great. And can you clarify the cross traffic that would be coming, you know, at right angles across

600
00:58:22,660 --> 00:58:26,180
should someone want to do that? Well, those all be stopped controlled.

601
00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:30,820
then with the sign that says cross traffic does not stop?

602
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,420
Yes. So I think the only place where that condition,

603
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,820
the only place where that condition would change would be F street

604
00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:41,660
and then anywhere where we install the traffic circles.

605
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:43,360
Okay.

606
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,460
So we would be able to review all of the,

607
00:58:45,460 --> 00:58:47,080
the sign street already be in place,

608
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,020
anywhere where cross traffic doesn't stop.

609
00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:52,080
But we'll, we'll definitely review all those locations

610
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,680
and make sure that that sign is posted.

611
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:54,600
Okay.

612
00:58:56,060 --> 00:59:03,500
And what kind of lighting can be done even in this quick build situation for the traffic

613
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:09,400
humps, the speed humps? Do we do anything with paint or reflectors so that people know

614
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:17,420
where the hump is versus the pass through? Yeah, so the humps themselves have kind of a retro

615
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:27,400
reflective chevron on them. And so what you'll see is those basically take up the width of the

616
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:35,460
hump. And then anywhere where you don't see a chevron is a gap. Okay. Okay. That seems

617
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:40,280
important to me for people traveling through their, you know, at night and, you know, wanting to make

618
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:46,440
sure that they're safe and they don't meet an unexpected bump. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah.

619
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:52,460
Yeah, and back to the traffic diverter. I think that at 5th and D.

620
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,600
So I'm trying to imagine you had one slide that you showed.

621
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,700
I think it was from another community.

622
01:00:00,270 --> 01:00:12,070
When a person is on 5th and they approach D, I'm wondering how wide is the area that they're

623
01:00:12,070 --> 01:00:20,920
going to be given as a through fair to cross D? What is that like? And I'm trying to

624
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:26,940
And kind of all the changes in that intersection.

625
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:36,220
And will the people who are already in a bike lane on D will anything change for them based on the traffic diverters?

626
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:46,860
So that's actually why we're actually designing the diverter as part of the D street project because the configuration on D street will.

627
01:00:46,860 --> 01:01:00,240
Well, the cross section we use, the lane configuration that we use will ultimately impact the design of the diverter and, and so up for, you know, one of the things that we are.

628
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:15,720
We're getting seeking community feedback on for the D street project was what lane configuration people wanted. Did they want bike lanes in both directions with parking on one side or did they want bike lane in one direction with parking on both sides.

629
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:23,660
And so the design on the diverted design will have to be compatible with that configuration.

630
01:01:25,380 --> 01:01:32,700
But our goal is to provide something that is wide enough for someone on a bike to wait

631
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,140
without encroaching on either traveling in either direction.

632
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:45,700
So yeah, thought we're definitely going to look very closely at that and try to accomplish

633
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:53,120
out if possible. Okay, and if with the design for the diverter that you showed, I'm wondering,

634
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,300
will there be some alternatives that can be shared at the next community meeting so that

635
01:01:58,300 --> 01:02:06,960
you might be able to show the community other ways that the same solution is offered in other

636
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:13,020
communities? Yeah, that's possible. There are a couple of different types. Yeah, so there's somewhere

637
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:20,660
where no refuges provided actually, where basically the diverter is as wide as the existing

638
01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:28,040
center line, and it's basically just a row of concrete or delineators. That's preventing

639
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:33,280
those different movements, the particular movements, maybe with some breaks for people walking

640
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,700
and biking to get through them. And then there's the design we showed, which actually shows

641
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:43,740
like a rapid actual refuge island where it's a little bit wider and there's a place for you to

642
01:02:43,740 --> 01:02:48,920
stand and wait and wait for traffic to clear, you know, in one direction before proceeding.

643
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,820
Okay. Great. That's all. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you.

644
01:02:56,570 --> 01:03:02,690
Okay, Nicole. Thank you. Thank you, Bjorn. My question is sort of in line with

645
01:03:02,690 --> 01:03:11,750
if Margin and Pamela can she can be implemented as part of the bullbouts so people don't cut the corners there?

646
01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:19,550
Yes, so I'm not sure I'm understanding your question.

647
01:03:19,890 --> 01:03:29,510
The bullbouts would be designed in a way that people, to prohibit people from, or at least discourage people from cutting corners.

648
01:03:31,870 --> 01:03:36,150
So, are you referring to something that's placed out in the middle of the road or what

649
01:03:37,470 --> 01:03:40,170
could you describe what you're?

650
01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:43,950
Yeah, the middle of the road would be great too.

651
01:03:45,590 --> 01:03:48,790
Yeah, we can look at chicanes.

652
01:03:49,110 --> 01:03:58,590
We've done some research on chicanes and it's, we haven't found a design.

653
01:03:58,590 --> 01:04:01,430
And I think so far that we that we've fallen in love with,

654
01:04:01,630 --> 01:04:05,390
but it's something we want to add to our toolkit, for sure.

655
01:04:06,110 --> 01:04:06,250
So.

656
01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:13,360
Hey, Jerry.

657
01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:16,420
Thank you.

658
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,240
I just want to put question.

659
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:23,420
Your regarding the speed bumps, I think Pamela was talking about.

660
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,120
Would it be possible to include maybe a foot wide gap,

661
01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:34,080
maybe one or two in each direction to allow cycles

662
01:04:39,060 --> 01:04:40,680
that there are actually

663
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,260
speed bumps included here.

664
01:04:43,180 --> 01:04:45,300
Yes, and yes, and they would

665
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:46,960
they would have those gaps for

666
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,380
not only for people biking,

667
01:04:48,420 --> 01:04:50,860
but also for fire trucks.

668
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:54,520
Basically to kind of

669
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:55,940
if they straddle the center line

670
01:04:55,940 --> 01:04:57,300
and drive in the middle of the road,

671
01:04:57,300 --> 01:04:58,420
fire trucks can actually

672
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:00,640
pass through the speed bumps

673
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,780
without being slowed down.

674
01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:04,060
Okay, so there's some

675
01:05:04,060 --> 01:05:05,880
space to accommodate the firecrubs.

676
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,240
OK, yeah, thank you.

677
01:05:13,570 --> 01:05:15,790
OK, I think those are all the hands I'm seeing.

678
01:05:16,890 --> 01:05:19,190
Someone please speak up if I'm missing your hand,

679
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:20,890
as I'm on my phone, unfortunately,

680
01:05:21,110 --> 01:05:23,430
and I can't see everyone super well.

681
01:05:31,090 --> 01:05:32,730
OK, not hearing anything.

682
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:34,770
We can move to public comment.

683
01:05:35,370 --> 01:05:37,230
Lista, would you please go to public comment?

684
01:05:41,260 --> 01:05:43,400
Those wishing to participate in public comment

685
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,640
must raise their virtual hand and wait to be called on.

686
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,100
Speakers are reminded to be respectful in their comments.

687
01:05:49,540 --> 01:05:53,340
The first speaker will be acknowledged and invited to speak when the three minute countdown

688
01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:53,840
begins.

689
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,160
Please make sure to unmute yourself when you are invited to do so.

690
01:05:57,700 --> 01:06:01,480
The first speaker is Sheila Baker, please unmute yourself and begin your three minutes.

691
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:12,210
I just want to say it's an awesome project and I'm going to love it.

692
01:06:12,210 --> 01:06:21,210
I'm going to write it all the time and I'm just really happy that this project is going forward

693
01:06:21,210 --> 01:06:29,430
and I just want to compliment and support everyone, especially staff. This worked so hard on this

694
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:36,310
and just say that the pedal in the Boulevard South went way beyond my dreams. I never thought

695
01:06:36,310 --> 01:06:42,610
it was going to be as nice as it is. So good job and thank you so much for this project

696
01:06:42,610 --> 01:06:52,030
to everyone and advisory committee to and planning commission and liaison future mayor McDonald.

697
01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:57,110
And just to everyone, thank you so much. It's very, very nice. Thanks.

698
01:07:00,290 --> 01:07:02,390
You chair upon there and other hands raised.

699
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:08,490
Okay, we can come back to the committee for any further

700
01:07:08,490 --> 01:07:13,270
comments. Please raise your hand if you have further comments to make that weren't

701
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:13,890
already made.

702
01:07:20,050 --> 01:07:26,070
Patricia? Just the last minute spot that, you know, Ken is always

703
01:07:26,070 --> 01:07:30,330
telling us that no we can't do this, no we can't do that because of the

704
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:35,170
emergency vehicles. So I'm very glad that we finally got something that the

705
01:07:35,170 --> 01:07:42,850
emergency vehicles are okay for us to use. So yay, we got it done. So good job

706
01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:44,470
you guys. Thank you.

707
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:52,650
Kevin, go ahead.

708
01:07:54,950 --> 01:08:03,690
Thank you. Super stoked on this. It's just been such a long time in the in the making and you know, we're hitting our climate 2030 gold.

709
01:08:04,310 --> 01:08:12,930
You know, we have to do this one of the next one in the next one this year and next year. So, you know, glad we're getting it right and getting it modeled up.

710
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:22,210
one other comment, I noticed that the speed humps on Humboldt, Santa Rosa, say in front of the school there are.

711
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:26,450
They have advancing sherrows like the width of a lane.

712
01:08:29,490 --> 01:08:31,630
Cautionary Chevron, that's what you were called, Chevrons.

713
01:08:31,950 --> 01:08:37,450
So you really can see that coming in with that lit paint, you know, a pretty visible day night.

714
01:08:37,450 --> 01:08:39,970
like even if you're dropping off kids at school

715
01:08:39,970 --> 01:08:42,510
and not paying attention to anything else on the street.

716
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:45,410
So that's a possibility.

717
01:08:45,730 --> 01:08:45,950
Thanks.

718
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:49,190
Wait.

719
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:55,800
One thing I was just gonna say is that I was

720
01:08:56,180 --> 01:09:00,480
until today out of country to see my wife's family

721
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:03,440
and one of the very cool things that we got to do

722
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:06,100
is look at something very much like this

723
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:08,120
that they had in the same city.

724
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,580
And even though it was a more densely populated street

725
01:09:12,580 --> 01:09:15,340
and even though they're more more mixed use at play,

726
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,460
this see the inter the interplay of cars,

727
01:09:18,460 --> 01:09:20,700
people pedestrians that worked out very well.

728
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,120
I'm sure there were some growing pains,

729
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,900
but it did exactly what you would want it to do

730
01:09:24,900 --> 01:09:28,900
without the infrastructure that say a class two

731
01:09:28,900 --> 01:09:30,780
or something like that might require.

732
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,440
So I'm very excited to see that happen here.

733
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,000
And the other note it's gonna make is I totally get why

734
01:09:37,530 --> 01:09:41,300
that street wanted to call it a neighborhood greenway

735
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:45,580
over a bike boulevard. Can you imagine how good that will be for their property values?

736
01:09:46,220 --> 01:09:50,600
It's just such a great way to be able to add. So I can see why that would be a selling point for people.

737
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:51,400
Thank you.

738
01:09:55,900 --> 01:10:04,660
Thank you, Pamela. Yeah, just touching on this concept of greenway and landscaping.

739
01:10:05,180 --> 01:10:12,580
At some point in time, will it be possible to include essentially greening up these areas?

740
01:10:12,580 --> 01:10:16,760
is something low that doesn't impede sight distances.

741
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:21,280
I think that would be lovely if there were ways,

742
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,160
I don't know if that's compatible or not compatible

743
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,620
in any way with a traffic circle.

744
01:10:27,180 --> 01:10:29,860
Or if it's all got to be just a couple of inches tall.

745
01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:33,480
But I think that ultimately if we could incorporate

746
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:35,580
some of those green elements, that would be great.

747
01:10:36,020 --> 01:10:38,560
Is that something that you're considering long term?

748
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:48,180
Yeah, so definitely is at any time we make, move to make any of these features, bullbouts or traffic

749
01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:57,340
circles, especially permanent. That's a really good opportunity to add plantings and adds,

750
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:04,540
you know, potentially installed bioswales and rain gardens and so, yeah, absolutely something

751
01:11:04,540 --> 01:11:10,500
that we're very interested in doing and I will say too I've heard from a cool block

752
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:17,340
team leader who lives on fifth street and is very much energized around greening the block

753
01:11:17,340 --> 01:11:23,740
and I think you know where she's going to start is with you know an area where homeowners can

754
01:11:23,740 --> 01:11:29,000
already start to make progress without waiting for the city and by installing street trees

755
01:11:29,860 --> 01:11:32,580
in their sidewalk landscaping strip.

756
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:36,880
And so when we surprise, we start seeing more trees

757
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,160
and greenery on 5th Street on sidewalks

758
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:41,980
and in people's yards.

759
01:11:42,660 --> 01:11:43,580
Great. Yeah.

760
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,880
Great. I hope you can stress that at the next

761
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,580
community meeting that if this is a success

762
01:11:49,580 --> 01:11:54,080
that greening up the area further would be the next step.

763
01:11:54,940 --> 01:11:55,880
Thank you.

764
01:11:58,730 --> 01:12:06,870
Marja. Thank you Kelly. I just have one last comment and that's again reflecting the fact

765
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:12,390
that I'm so excited that was really I feel like we're really moving in the right direction

766
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:19,550
with our by Boulevard or neighborhood Greenway style. We've got other streets in this town

767
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:28,050
that are just dying for the same kind of treatment. We've talked about first street we've talked about

768
01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:34,850
St. Francis, all of these streets parallel boulevards that right now are very frightening for

769
01:12:35,670 --> 01:12:43,970
walkers and bikers alike. So it's lovely. We've been, as Kevin noted, as Pamela noted,

770
01:12:44,350 --> 01:12:49,510
I think Nicole said something about this. We've been talking about this for a really long time

771
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:53,810
and it's great to see it nearing this point. Thank you to everyone.

772
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:53,910
one.

773
01:12:58,300 --> 01:13:02,760
Great. I don't see any other hands raised. So at this

774
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:08,360
point, I think we can close our item of old business. And we can

775
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:12,440
move on to item eight in business, which is to review and provide

776
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:15,420
feedback on the city's proposed neighborhood traffic calming

777
01:13:15,420 --> 01:13:21,400
program. I will turn it over to Björn. Alright, great. Thank

778
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:26,420
you. And this is the item that was postponed at our last

779
01:13:26,420 --> 01:13:36,120
meeting and so nothing has changed in the the staff report that you received on this item.

780
01:13:36,860 --> 01:13:43,240
There's no presentation for this but I can just provide a little bit of background so

781
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:53,260
the city this really came about because the city recognized that we are receiving a lot of traffic

782
01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:59,180
calling requests and they come in a lot of different ways. Some of them go straight to our police

783
01:13:59,180 --> 01:14:07,740
department when they receive requests to deploy the speed, the speed feedback sign that they've

784
01:14:07,740 --> 01:14:13,500
got on a trailer or people ask them to come out and do speed enforcement on their streets.

785
01:14:14,340 --> 01:14:20,520
But then over in public works, we also get traffic calming requests more in the way of what can you do

786
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:29,360
to can you install speed humps on my street, or can you install ad stop signs or the bull

787
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:35,360
bouts? So we're getting a lot of different speeding-related requests coming in to the

788
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:41,340
city different ways. And so we started looking around at what other cities are doing on this.

789
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:48,140
And there's actually some really good examples here in the Bay Area. San Francisco, Hayward

790
01:14:48,140 --> 01:14:59,860
have really well-established neighborhood traffic calming programs and so what they do in both cases is they have a process.

791
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,260
Through which residents can actually request or apply for traffic calming improvements. And so we're

792
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:17,000
looking at, we're in the very early stages of wanting to establish something similar here in

793
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:27,300
Petaluma. This is something that, you know, supports our vision zero efforts. It supports our goals

794
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:31,200
to achieve carbon neutrality, it supports our goals

795
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,780
to create safer streets for walking and biking.

796
01:15:35,260 --> 01:15:39,520
So it's a really good time to be having this conversation

797
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:44,380
and we're really eager to get feedbacks feedback on this.

798
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,900
Just to kind of walk you through a little bit of our initial thinking,

799
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:55,620
we would, we're proposing to make applications available

800
01:15:55,620 --> 01:16:03,660
and accepted on a rolling basis. So there would not be a deadline each year to, you know,

801
01:16:03,740 --> 01:16:08,720
basically whenever you have an idea and you want to make requests, send it into the city,

802
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:15,300
we will evaluate and score applications as they are received. And then we haven't talked

803
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:21,720
through all the logistics of whether they would then be delivered as they are received and approved.

804
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:40,400
or if we would maybe wait until the construction window each year which is typically in the summer and put out a package of all of the accepted applications and then a bunch of it all goes out on one contract and is all delivered in a span of a few weeks

805
01:16:41,260 --> 01:16:42,380
throughout the city.

806
01:16:42,380 --> 01:16:47,540
So, we haven't talked through that, those logistics yet of the delivery, I can tell you,

807
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:53,360
you know, just from sort of our experience right now in the winter months, we are still

808
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:59,260
processing work orders related to roadway striping and signage and markings.

809
01:17:01,220 --> 01:17:05,780
In the winter months, when we have rain, those are often delayed and they're really weather

810
01:17:05,780 --> 01:17:06,200
dependent.

811
01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:12,180
But we are still able to get some stuff done, so I can certainly see merits to both the

812
01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:19,080
approaches. And let's see, I'm trying to think of what else is important to mention

813
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:26,860
here. This would, we would basically, everything would come in in a centralized fashion. Public

814
01:17:26,860 --> 01:17:33,280
works and police would both have access to the list. Police would be able to use this to

815
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:39,960
sort of figure out where they want to deploy their enforcement efforts. And while public

816
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,260
like works, assesses, and thinks about what we can do

817
01:17:43,260 --> 01:17:46,520
on the infrastructure side to support slower traffic speeds.

818
01:17:47,380 --> 01:17:50,640
And then as for the scoring criteria,

819
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:56,500
what we're proposing is a very data-driven process

820
01:17:56,500 --> 01:18:02,180
to try to ensure that our limited resources in this area

821
01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:07,320
are put to the, really to the best use

822
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:14,540
as far as looking at collision history, looking at speed data, looking at traffic volume on the

823
01:18:14,540 --> 01:18:19,400
street, and then also looking at location factors like proximity to schools, parks, community

824
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:25,980
centers, whether or not the application comes from an area that was identified as a disadvantaged

825
01:18:25,980 --> 01:18:34,020
community through the general plan update, maybe even looking at whether it's located on an existing

826
01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:37,640
or proposed bike route in our active transportation plan.

827
01:18:38,620 --> 01:18:43,960
So all of these are things that we would like to get feedbacks feedback on tonight, you

828
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,600
know, especially on the criteria.

829
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,320
Do you like the criteria that we proposed in the staff report?

830
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,560
Is there something else that you think we should be looking at?

831
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:59,800
And do you want to kind of leave this fairly open ended just to get your thoughts and ideas?

832
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:05,420
and I think that is all I have for now.

833
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,300
I'll go ahead and I see Gina's raising her hand.

834
01:19:08,540 --> 01:19:09,980
So thank you, Gina.

835
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:12,760
Yeah, thanks, Bjorn, that was a great summary

836
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:17,780
and I just wanted to just add one point of clarification.

837
01:19:18,700 --> 01:19:22,380
So PDs involvement would also be an evaluation

838
01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:27,930
of the applications, but when we talk about PD enforcement,

839
01:19:27,930 --> 01:19:34,470
enforcement. We're also talking about PDE's role in education, which is always their first

840
01:19:36,190 --> 01:19:42,070
thing that they will do when something like this goes in. And some great examples of that

841
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:50,850
are their efforts after the Boulevard South Road diet went in and a lot of striping confusion

842
01:19:50,850 --> 01:19:57,530
and user confusion about how to use those roads and those lanes and what you could do and what you

843
01:19:57,530 --> 01:20:03,330
couldn't where you should be and where you can park and where you can drive and and so they

844
01:20:03,330 --> 01:20:10,370
they were really embracing their roles as teachers and they did the same on Rainier Avenue traffic

845
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:18,450
calming when that went in and as a result they really haven't had to do much enforcement at all

846
01:20:18,450 --> 01:20:25,570
from what I've seen once the education piece falls into place. So they're really valuable partners

847
01:20:25,570 --> 01:20:38,210
with public works and these projects and will definitely be involved from beginning through implementation and will play a critical role in that piece. That's all. Thanks.

848
01:20:43,890 --> 01:20:53,430
Thank you. Okay. I'm sure we're all going to have some feedback on this one. So committee members, if you have questions, please raise your virtual hand and I will call on you.

849
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:01,020
Blake, go ahead.

850
01:21:04,010 --> 01:21:08,690
Just to be clear, is the goal more for us to provide feedback on just what we've seen

851
01:21:08,690 --> 01:21:14,350
in the report or is it a good time to ask questions about the process kind of assuming it's

852
01:21:14,350 --> 01:21:14,890
further along?

853
01:21:18,450 --> 01:21:22,730
To be honest, both are fine to provide feedback on what you see in the report,

854
01:21:22,750 --> 01:21:31,730
but also the great time to ask questions and and see clarification. Great. Just starting off with

855
01:21:31,730 --> 01:21:38,990
questions, is there going to be an assumption that people making the application will have to do

856
01:21:38,990 --> 01:21:46,850
any kind of data collection on their own? No, definitely not. Okay, yeah, we do not want to have

857
01:21:46,850 --> 01:21:56,550
any barriers to this process. It should be as simple as saying where you live, what's your address,

858
01:21:56,810 --> 01:22:01,010
what's the maybe describe, you know, provide a sensor to describing the problem, and then we'll take

859
01:22:01,010 --> 01:22:05,990
it from there. We're going to do the data collection. We're going to look at collision history,

860
01:22:06,690 --> 01:22:13,930
put out a speed radar if we don't already have data. And then we can also do the mapping

861
01:22:13,930 --> 01:22:19,410
exercise of, you know, is this near school, is it near a park, is it near, is it on a bike route,

862
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:24,290
in a disadvantaged community? So, yeah, nope, as few barriers as possible to apply.

863
01:22:25,710 --> 01:22:29,690
And since you've clarified that it's going to be on a rolling basis, does this mean that

864
01:22:29,690 --> 01:22:34,930
approval to move forward on these projects is actually going to be once per year but more of when

865
01:22:34,930 --> 01:22:40,630
something scores high enough, you're ready to go with it. That's that's something we haven't yet

866
01:22:40,630 --> 01:22:50,590
talked through is kind of the the delivery method whether yeah that needs to be figured out with

867
01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:59,510
with consideration to our budget and also to just what are banned with this to actually design

868
01:22:59,510 --> 01:23:04,890
and then deliver the improvements. Like I said earlier, I think there's probably some merits to

869
01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:10,790
doing a package once a year, but there's also probably, you know, you could make the opposite

870
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:17,150
argument for just kind of cranking these out throughout the year. So if we need, that's going to be a

871
01:23:17,150 --> 01:23:21,210
stop from conversation to see what we can make fit with our resources.

872
01:23:22,210 --> 01:23:26,790
Is there going to be a way with the application to provide some context to folks,

873
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:32,510
essentially to say ahead of time, like, hey, if you're providing an issue involving the placement

874
01:23:32,510 --> 01:23:38,050
of a sign, that's one thing. But if you're highlighting an issue that may require capital improvement

875
01:23:38,050 --> 01:23:43,610
money, that would theoretically take a lot longer. So they have a context of what they're applying for

876
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:51,870
their timetable. That's a really good point that and something I think we fail to mention in the

877
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:59,850
staff report is that it makes sense probably to create some sort of toolbox that at least gives

878
01:23:59,850 --> 01:24:07,130
people a rough idea of what types of traffic calming improvements are we'll look at

879
01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:12,910
and because there's just there's a lot of different things you can do right you can do

880
01:24:12,910 --> 01:24:18,590
traffic certain rules you could do shakains, bullbouts, speed humps. Maybe it's an issue with

881
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:23,290
that doesn't involve any of those. Maybe we just need to strike the curb red near an intersection.

882
01:24:23,710 --> 01:24:31,890
So really good point about getting people a sense of the flavor of what they could expect.

883
01:24:35,010 --> 01:24:40,870
The plan is not to really go into capital improvement, the capital improvement realm with this.

884
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:46,970
we want to be able, these should be achievable in a quick build fashion, similar to that bull

885
01:24:46,970 --> 01:24:51,910
about at Loma Vista. That's really, I think, the spirit of this is to be able to deliver

886
01:24:52,450 --> 01:25:00,310
immediate impacts. And then those can always be made more permanent as part of a future project

887
01:25:00,310 --> 01:25:08,270
on that street. That's perfect. And I know this idea has been thrown around, but I did have some

888
01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:20,210
concern with it? Is there going to be a requirement, any kind of requirement, for people to show there's broader support for this concern or issue on the street or on the street that they're highlighting?

889
01:25:23,210 --> 01:25:38,710
We don't have that in our criteria now, but I know it's, I know San Francisco uses that San Francisco I believe has a petition that they want you to submit from showing neighborhood support.

890
01:25:38,710 --> 01:25:47,270
It's not a requirement, but I think it's a, I believe it's, it's not a requirement, but actually something that just kind of gets you bonus points.

891
01:25:49,570 --> 01:25:59,070
So yeah, be interested in getting the committee's feedback and public feedback on whether that's something you feel is important to scoring these projects.

892
01:25:59,070 --> 01:26:02,590
Well, and on that front, I would like to say

893
01:26:06,620 --> 01:26:08,340
sorry about it,

894
01:26:11,630 --> 01:26:12,490
but sorry, you're muted.

895
01:26:14,430 --> 01:26:18,850
Sorry. Okay, am I muted now? Yes, you are. Sorry.

896
01:26:20,810 --> 01:26:26,550
I understand the spirit of this is for quick builds. Just knowing the nature of how people are,

897
01:26:26,570 --> 01:26:31,250
I assume they're probably the first few that get submitted will immediately be,

898
01:26:31,250 --> 01:26:46,790
the, hey, I want to see this, this, and this, and then the other thing to the reason I bring that up is because I think it's reasonable to have a requirement when you're asking for a great deal of change on a street for a petition of your community.

899
01:26:47,190 --> 01:26:52,730
But what I don't want to see is you have to organize your whole neighborhood just to get some paint.

900
01:26:52,730 --> 01:27:07,510
So I just want to make sure there's a mill ground to that because at the end of the day people shouldn't have to be after this just to get basic improvements for the streets even though I know sometimes they have to be here, but I just wanted to flag that.

901
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:11,270
Yeah, yeah, completely hear you there.

902
01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:16,090
And that's, you know, again, kind of going back to the barriers to the application.

903
01:27:16,090 --> 01:27:21,810
That's where, you know, we don't want this to be a process that people are intimidated by.

904
01:27:22,010 --> 01:27:30,850
And then they don't go, you know, someone shouldn't feel intimidated to apply to this because they're afraid of, you know, going and knocking on their neighbor's door.

905
01:27:31,290 --> 01:27:40,910
So my personal feeling is that based on sort of San Francisco's, you know, that it could be a bonus, but maybe not a requirement.

906
01:27:40,910 --> 01:27:46,010
And but again, this is all sort of up for up for discussion.

907
01:27:46,430 --> 01:27:51,530
Of course, I have two more things than I will stop the promise.

908
01:27:51,930 --> 01:27:58,490
I was going to ask if for the scoring criteria will the road conditions also be a factor?

909
01:28:01,810 --> 01:28:08,050
That's not in there right now, but we can certainly look at that. Are you thinking because?

910
01:28:10,630 --> 01:28:19,860
I was thinking for like efficiency purposes that then they could then be delivered

911
01:28:19,860 --> 01:28:21,160
by the Paving Project or.

912
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:22,800
I'm thinking for that.

913
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:28,420
I'm also thinking of if let's say if somebody's highlighting an excessive amount of traffic

914
01:28:28,860 --> 01:28:34,500
on a side street that's also got a certain amount of decay, doing something there might allow

915
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:40,120
that road to last a little bit longer before there's a greater need for infrastructure repair there.

916
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,960
So I was just thinking in terms of preventative maintenance.

917
01:28:49,630 --> 01:28:53,130
And then the one, oh, and then the one

918
01:28:53,130 --> 01:28:58,610
comment I was going to make is just I understand the scoring is still being determined and how that

919
01:28:58,610 --> 01:29:07,190
actually pans out will probably change a bit. But I do hope that location, especially to schools,

920
01:29:07,190 --> 01:29:13,890
communities and places like community centers and hospitals plays a heavy role in the scoring just

921
01:29:13,890 --> 01:29:20,750
given that these should also double as they're safe for us to school concerns. So that's all. Thank

922
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:25,090
you. Thank you Blake Patricia.

923
01:29:28,730 --> 01:29:33,930
So my first concern was to that Blake sort of touched on it that

924
01:29:33,930 --> 01:29:40,930
and at all unsuccessful applications will automatically be rolled over but so my question is

925
01:29:40,930 --> 01:29:58,330
Are you giving feedback to the person who's put it in so that they know oh, I should have said it this way or that way, you know, that's my sort of so that they know that they needed more information or a little more direction or question.

926
01:29:58,330 --> 01:29:59,450
because

927
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,980
Maybe what you're seeing is not what they're asking for. You know, when you go into the traffic data and get all that out, maybe they wanted something more simple. So that's just sort of my question, how will you give that request feedback instead of just saying, oh, sorry, no, not this time, but give them feedback. And then the second question is, okay, so after you've got all this organized and you've

928
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:34,640
We've done it, will P back be involved into helping you discuss it?

929
01:30:36,810 --> 01:30:43,590
So to the first question, I can't imagine there would really be any way for people to

930
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:50,810
revise or improve upon their application, considering the way we've written this up.

931
01:30:51,370 --> 01:30:55,170
Your application is basically just saying, hey, there's a problem here.

932
01:30:55,530 --> 01:30:58,230
I want you to collect the data on this and evaluate it.

933
01:30:58,230 --> 01:31:03,030
And then from there, the city's taking it and looking at, again, like the speed data,

934
01:31:03,190 --> 01:31:07,150
collision history location, and then giving it a score.

935
01:31:08,110 --> 01:31:15,210
And so, you know, it really just be a question of where did it fall among the applications that we've received.

936
01:31:15,730 --> 01:31:22,430
And if it wasn't successful, then, you know, it's still rolled over to the next year and taken into consideration with the next pool.

937
01:31:24,330 --> 01:31:30,750
So really, again, the burden is not on the person requesting the improvement to make the case,

938
01:31:31,190 --> 01:31:37,030
or make a compelling case of why their street needs traffic calming. It's really just trying,

939
01:31:37,130 --> 01:31:44,410
we're trying to keep it as objective as possible and data driven. And then for your second question

940
01:31:44,410 --> 01:31:54,930
in about P back, you know, if it's something that P back wants to play a role in, I think

941
01:31:54,930 --> 01:32:01,350
we could explore that. You know, my feelings that you have a lot on your plates, and I

942
01:32:01,350 --> 01:32:08,350
think it has to give you something else, but this could be something that we provide regular

943
01:32:08,350 --> 01:32:13,990
updates on. It could be, you know, maybe there's even some sub-tasks. Like, for example, the

944
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:21,110
toolbox development where if you back can review and play a role, definitely open to

945
01:32:21,810 --> 01:32:29,510
the working video. Yeah, I mean, you know, we just like to be helpful. So, you know, and

946
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:35,410
you know, without being judgmental, we're just sort of giving our feelings, right? Of,

947
01:32:35,650 --> 01:32:41,790
you know, maybe you thought it wasn't enough, you know, if you give us updates of these 10 that

948
01:32:41,790 --> 01:32:49,610
came in and you're going to give these five the go ahead then maybe we have input why the other five

949
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:56,850
should be higher rep or something I don't know just okay thank you

950
01:32:59,060 --> 01:33:00,540
Nicole go ahead

951
01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:04,620
thank you

952
01:33:04,620 --> 01:33:13,660
thanks for putting this together I think this has a lot of exciting potential and I love the idea

953
01:33:13,660 --> 01:33:25,000
of feedback having a role in this and looking at projects and the toolbox. I think we had talked about

954
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:35,140
having a tactical urbanism ad hoc and then we said we wanted to see this program and this isn't

955
01:33:35,140 --> 01:33:44,900
tactical urbanism, exactly. I think it's a great start, but I would really love for us to be

956
01:33:44,900 --> 01:33:53,220
able to give some feedback as this gets going since it's not in its firm, it's a solid state yet.

957
01:33:54,180 --> 01:34:14,880
I would emphasize all of Blake's comments, and I just would like to see this program have a more immediate impact than I see that it is at this point.

958
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:25,880
with and I understand that everything hasn't been thought through in terms of the process,

959
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:35,500
but the annual application part, I think we could reconfigure that. I think that the community

960
01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:46,080
having ownership over this, is what was intended when the Safe Streets platform was adopted

961
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:53,120
by the City Council, and we've been the tactical urbanism piece was a part of that.

962
01:34:55,580 --> 01:35:04,200
I'm also curious how the Petaluma Equitable Climate Action Coalition might be included

963
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:10,600
in part of this. I believe this city gives a stipend for the work that they do, which

964
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:18,640
is related to transportation, because I am a person that loves data and in my work,

965
01:35:18,660 --> 01:35:24,280
I rely on data all the time, but in this case, I think there's a lot of instances where

966
01:35:24,830 --> 01:35:33,480
we really need to be more community driven rather than data driven. And I think that having

967
01:35:35,540 --> 01:36:00,160
neighbourhoods or a person bring their design and ideas forward, and the city helping them implement it would be a faster and more reactive approach and hopefully more successful, I think, I think some of the co-block leaders have demonstrated that already on a smaller scale.

968
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:00,560
So,

969
01:36:05,650 --> 01:36:11,950
yeah, and on the other side of that, I just want to add, I was reading the mobility

970
01:36:11,950 --> 01:36:22,090
equity analysis through the Greenlining Institute, and something that resonated for me there

971
01:36:22,090 --> 01:36:29,910
was, it says not, just the idea that you can't only rely on neighborhood groups, but the staff,

972
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:36,410
and maybe this is part of PX role really needs to actively engage with the disadvantage areas.

973
01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:43,210
So I don't know if this is something that we could rely on the equitable climate action

974
01:36:43,210 --> 01:36:51,610
coalition to do, but I'm concerned, you know, especially with my attention on McDowell right now

975
01:36:51,610 --> 01:36:57,770
and how we have like the older population and people trying to get places communially without sidewalks,

976
01:36:57,770 --> 01:37:01,350
like how we're engaging these communities

977
01:37:01,350 --> 01:37:03,950
and who's doing that work.

978
01:37:04,210 --> 01:37:08,090
So we are really making sure that we're collecting

979
01:37:08,630 --> 01:37:09,630
the whole picture there.

980
01:37:10,450 --> 01:37:11,270
So thanks.

981
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:12,590
Thank you for listening to my thoughts.

982
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,820
Bjorn, do you have any responses to Nicole?

983
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,480
Well, there's a lot there to unpack.

984
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:29,780
I so when I heard was that feedback

985
01:37:31,900 --> 01:37:39,940
involvement is a good thing, especially when it comes to the toolbox and review of

986
01:37:39,940 --> 01:37:48,320
project of approved projects that she did not like the annual review. I think in the

987
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:56,040
spirit of getting projects implemented sort of as they're received, that it would be great

988
01:37:56,040 --> 01:38:01,380
to have some neighborhood empowerment. And that's an area where I think the toolbox would

989
01:38:01,380 --> 01:38:10,060
really important is sort of to help show people what's possible on their streets, what designs we've

990
01:38:10,060 --> 01:38:14,680
vetted and approved with our fire departments, for example, right?

991
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,100
There might be certain designs

992
01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:26,080
that are feasible in certain locations and not in others or that are a good fit for some locations

993
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:32,620
but not others. So I think that that would be really important, you know, there's definitely not an intention to

994
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:44,880
to completely drive the process and design the whatever improvements we think are a good fit

995
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:50,560
without any sort of dialogue with the neighborhood, right? It's not like you just send your application off

996
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:58,140
into the city's black box and then all the sudden one day something shows up on your street and

997
01:38:58,140 --> 01:39:03,380
you had no say in what it looks like or what it achieves. I think this is a really important

998
01:39:03,380 --> 01:39:11,120
process to create, attempt to create some dialogue and transparency between the city and the residents

999
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:16,920
on what's involved in making improvements on city streets.

1000
01:39:17,860 --> 01:39:23,320
And so, yeah, there should hopefully be a really good dialogue there between the city

1001
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:29,180
and the folks who have applied for traffic calming on their streets.

1002
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:39,000
And then, yeah, our intention was to use the, again, to engage or to use the disadvantaged communities

1003
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:48,720
in our scoring. I think, you know, partnering with PCAC is a great suggestion. One of the things that

1004
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:58,660
we're really interested in doing is evaluating locations that citywide so that we're considering

1005
01:39:58,660 --> 01:40:03,740
areas, you know, based on our criteria that need these fixes, whether or not we receive an application.

1006
01:40:03,740 --> 01:40:18,960
So again, we really want to make sure it's petaluma as a vision zero city now, so we know that we want to eliminate severe injuries and deaths from from traffic collisions.

1007
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:33,720
And in order to do that, we need to look at our collision data and we need to, you know, basically have a methodical approach to identifying areas that need improvement.

1008
01:40:35,740 --> 01:40:43,420
So yeah, hopefully that is a good enough response to the call if there's anything I missed there. Please let me know.

1009
01:40:44,340 --> 01:40:45,200
Thank you.

1010
01:40:49,460 --> 01:40:51,300
Okay, we'll move on to Pamela.

1011
01:40:53,330 --> 01:41:00,450
Great. I think Bjorn's last comments addressed some of my concerns about how the neighbors would be involved.

1012
01:41:01,210 --> 01:41:06,390
This to me sounds like potentially a lot of new community outreach work.

1013
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:14,430
And I'm thrilled that staff feel like this is important and they want to promote this and get people excited.

1014
01:41:16,050 --> 01:41:23,830
I like other speakers tonight. I would like to see a lot of these things just get implemented pretty quickly.

1015
01:41:24,630 --> 01:41:30,250
And things like paint. Yeah. Somebody feels like they need more red paint in front of their house.

1016
01:41:30,250 --> 01:41:37,250
they live on a corner and people can't see who's coming and safely move around, especially

1017
01:41:37,250 --> 01:41:42,170
anybody on, you know, these streets where we're trying to encourage more bike-ped traffic.

1018
01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:45,510
I think those kinds of things should score high.

1019
01:41:46,690 --> 01:41:54,530
So in terms of the scoring criteria, yeah, how quick, how inexpensive, if it affects a home

1020
01:41:54,530 --> 01:42:03,070
or two, I would imagine the outreach to the neighborhood would look different, but I would

1021
01:42:03,070 --> 01:42:10,790
think that if something affected an entire street, I'd like to have this body be informed

1022
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:17,330
and maybe consulted about that, but I wouldn't want to slow you down. I would want you to move

1023
01:42:17,330 --> 01:42:24,070
with these things quickly. And I think it's great that we're talking about how the different

1024
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:31,370
community groups can organically have these many projects on their streets that make where they

1025
01:42:31,370 --> 01:42:37,430
live a way to meet their neighbors, make it more safe for their kids and themselves to move around.

1026
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:44,030
I think that's great. I'm just really honestly quite proud of whoever came up with these ideas.

1027
01:42:44,030 --> 01:42:46,930
is, this is, this is awesome. Those are my thoughts.

1028
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:55,280
Okay, Stacey here at.

1029
01:42:58,700 --> 01:43:00,120
Thank you. I think

1030
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:09,380
this idea is great. I echo a lot of the other sentiments. I have two things. I would assume

1031
01:43:09,380 --> 01:43:15,780
this, but if I don't ask, I don't know for sure. I would assume that when people do an application,

1032
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:21,000
there is going to be something sent back to them, saying that it's been received in some sort of a

1033
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:21,260
Q.

1034
01:43:23,500 --> 01:43:46,600
Then with those applicants then also at the end of the year be notified of where say their project fell, you know say there's 500 applications right with those 500 people then be notified at whatever said date that these things are looked at kind of so that they know where things fall.

1035
01:43:47,520 --> 01:44:01,600
And then my last one is with that ranking system, could there be some way of instead of looking at things once a year, if it's something like, you know, a parking block or some red paint.

1036
01:44:02,340 --> 01:44:14,860
Could those things be looked at three or four times a year, where things that were of, you know, complete remodel or, you know, a bigger thing that would affect multiple blocks, those things maybe once a year.

1037
01:44:14,860 --> 01:44:18,920
I don't know if you've looked at that, but those are my questions, comments.

1038
01:44:21,620 --> 01:44:38,140
So, yes, all the questions around, you know, just the ongoing dialogue and engagement with anyone who has applied just to make them aware of how their project scored, how it compared to others, where it falls in the queue.

1039
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:45,340
that's definitely a goal of this is to, again, kind of create that transparency and that dialogue

1040
01:44:45,340 --> 01:44:57,480
between the city and our residents. And then as for, you know, the minor improvements, I really,

1041
01:44:57,480 --> 01:44:59,240
you know, that's that's going to.

1042
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,360
A lot of that will depend on how popular this becomes and how it affects the city's bandwidth.

1043
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:18,160
Major credit to Jeff Stutzman, our city engineer and Dylan Frisbee, our traffic engineering

1044
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:26,380
technician who do a really good job when they receive requests for things like red curb

1045
01:45:26,380 --> 01:45:33,920
from the public or even from us at staff do a good job of making sure those that lower

1046
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:37,380
hanging fruit at least that we're able to get those out there. Really good example

1047
01:45:37,380 --> 01:45:45,380
being our chair, Kelly Bond, asked for Red Curb at where Washington Creek trail crosses

1048
01:45:45,380 --> 01:45:52,360
Maria Drive and we got a work order in for her and that was striped a couple of weeks ago

1049
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:57,700
and she reached out yesterday and said she was so happy when she saw that red curb go in.

1050
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:05,960
So that's the kind of stuff that is easier for the city to deliver on an ongoing basis.

1051
01:46:07,580 --> 01:46:11,900
Yeah, I think it's really kind of a question of seeing how popular this program becomes

1052
01:46:11,900 --> 01:46:14,300
and what we have the bandwidth for.

1053
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:22,240
Great. I mean, prior to this, I would have had no idea really how to make something like this

1054
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:26,960
happened and even took notes on like three very small items where I was like, oh, I could

1055
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:30,460
actually make this request. So this is wonderful. Thank you.

1056
01:46:30,460 --> 01:46:31,420
Yeah, thanks.

1057
01:46:34,130 --> 01:46:35,470
Thank you. Okay, Kevin.

1058
01:46:37,390 --> 01:46:43,670
Thank you. Yeah, I love the report and that you're codified in the process and

1059
01:46:43,670 --> 01:46:46,590
when you contact all those kind of things.

1060
01:46:48,110 --> 01:46:53,650
I always hate hearing the term limited resources that you use occasionally. I mean,

1061
01:46:54,190 --> 01:47:23,270
I get that it's overwhelming that the bucket is not big enough, but you know, I'm kind of curious, you know, what you feel perceived budgetary limitation is, you know, credit fair credit to safe streets petaluma for pushing the council to having a top 10 goal of having exactly this type of project, you know, not just the big streets but also the little things also to make petaluma safer the council adopted that is top 10 goal.

1062
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:29,250
I would love to see that listed in your staff report, but not only are you working on the top

1063
01:47:29,250 --> 01:47:35,050
250 from four years ago, but this year's top 10, you're trying to hit in this year's top 10.

1064
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:47,890
And this program may not hit exactly what is Council's vision for that top 10 goal.

1065
01:47:47,890 --> 01:48:01,530
It may be more when staff feels is immediately achievable or controllable given volume flowing at it from all areas, but you know it's an important good step.

1066
01:48:03,010 --> 01:48:12,350
So I'm wondering St. Francis is one of the major overlay projects coming up and parts of it hidden in disadvantaged areas, not all of it, but.

1067
01:48:12,350 --> 01:48:15,430
and we've talked about as bike boulevard.

1068
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:19,470
And that's would be safe street petaluma's thought

1069
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:23,050
of what it meant to have that top 10 goal,

1070
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:26,650
is the paving project on St. Francis

1071
01:48:26,650 --> 01:48:28,810
that's currently, I suppose, in design,

1072
01:48:30,510 --> 01:48:32,870
considering being a bike boulevard

1073
01:48:33,610 --> 01:48:36,830
and getting it all done in wealth, one fell swoop.

1074
01:48:38,010 --> 01:48:40,210
Because that would mean the PR would have to be starting now,

1075
01:48:40,330 --> 01:48:41,390
the community engagement, all that.

1076
01:48:41,390 --> 01:48:46,030
So how are we doing that project?

1077
01:48:48,610 --> 01:48:59,570
So I know that the St. Francis is an existing bike route, and that has been taken into consideration

1078
01:48:59,570 --> 01:49:00,370
with the design.

1079
01:49:00,490 --> 01:49:04,630
I can't get into design specifics without Ken.

1080
01:49:04,830 --> 01:49:10,750
That's a project he's managing, and unfortunately he is not here tonight, but we could definitely

1081
01:49:10,750 --> 01:49:17,990
get you an update on the not only the design but any engagement for that project at next

1082
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:25,850
month's meeting. I think you're not just the design for it but the connection to being a bike

1083
01:49:25,850 --> 01:49:32,230
boulevard. We're drilling down on fifth and investing tons of staff time on fifth and it's really

1084
01:49:32,230 --> 01:49:39,670
consuming all the staff time each project takes. So just that the earlier we know that that's what we're

1085
01:49:39,670 --> 01:49:48,550
doing on St. Francis or not will really help make staff time go efficiently and avoid having

1086
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:55,010
bumps in the public relation process as we proceed. Similarly, maybe you can tell us the

1087
01:49:55,650 --> 01:50:01,150
status or story of the Victoria Crosswalk the neighbors have asked and they've talked

1088
01:50:01,150 --> 01:50:08,030
of many on this group and around trying to figure out how they can act a safety solution at the

1089
01:50:08,030 --> 01:50:15,110
busy intersection in Victoria and my worry again is is not the cost of the solution. It's

1090
01:50:15,110 --> 01:50:20,470
the consumption of limited staff resource. I think that our most limited resource is staff

1091
01:50:21,190 --> 01:50:28,370
not capital dollars. So can you tell us how they can get to the finish line on Victoria?

1092
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:39,010
You know that's a case where we have actually looked very closely at that

1093
01:50:39,010 --> 01:50:46,390
intersection and have taken a very close look especially at the residence request for

1094
01:50:46,750 --> 01:50:53,930
an always stop. Didn't meet our does not meet stop warrants for an always stop

1095
01:50:55,250 --> 01:51:04,670
and have come up with a possible alternative improvement that would involve bullbouts and pedestrian

1096
01:51:04,670 --> 01:51:11,010
and refuge. So that's, you know, something we're the city we're eager to to work towards

1097
01:51:11,010 --> 01:51:11,590
a solution.

1098
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:21,270
But based on the stop one and else, it's it's not an always stop for our recommendation.

1099
01:51:21,950 --> 01:51:27,630
I see Janice hand up and I will. Yeah, thanks, Bjorn.

1100
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:33,240
Sorry.

1101
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:40,460
Thanks, Bjorn. I think we're getting a little off topic and I think we, you know, we can

1102
01:51:40,460 --> 01:51:51,160
agendize this and or address this by comment back to questions to Council Member McDonald,

1103
01:51:51,420 --> 01:52:00,340
Mayor McDonald. But I think for purposes of the meeting and the agenda item, I think we can move on

1104
01:52:00,340 --> 01:52:06,740
everything that you've relayed is accurate Bjorn and that's great and I think that's probably what

1105
01:52:06,740 --> 01:52:14,380
what we can talk about at this point and move on to more questions on the agenda item if we could.

1106
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:25,000
I'm okay with that. We have a lot of challenges and we need to figure out how to effectively

1107
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:30,900
we triage them. And that's what this program will do. I'm just anxious to see the program

1108
01:52:30,900 --> 01:52:36,580
get there and do it. So thanks. We share that enthusiasm. Believe me.

1109
01:52:38,820 --> 01:52:40,160
Thank you. Okay, Jerry.

1110
01:52:45,790 --> 01:52:51,890
Thank you. Let me ask a silly question. How is this funded? Is this coming

1111
01:52:51,890 --> 01:53:02,150
not of existing funds and is really just re-determining how street repair and maintenance is going to be

1112
01:53:02,150 --> 01:53:12,650
done with the emphasis on by-compete considerations. Or is this new funds? Where's the funds for all this?

1113
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:24,310
And so you want to do that or I'll just ask everything and then yeah go ahead okay and then to

1114
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:32,950
Blake's point the consideration of the condition of the streets I think at some time in the past can

1115
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:42,390
have referred to a index of the streets that rated each street the condition of you know I guess

1116
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:43,750
from good, bad to terrible.

1117
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:51,770
So if that's available, that criteria would be useful to include too, I think.

1118
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:59,330
And on your list of location factors, those are all important.

1119
01:53:59,990 --> 01:54:11,670
I think the designated as in existing or proposed bike route would almost automatically address the proximity to schools, parks and community centers.

1120
01:54:11,670 --> 01:54:18,510
And also would be most likely, hopefully, a plus

1121
01:54:18,510 --> 01:54:20,890
for disadvantaged communities as well.

1122
01:54:23,500 --> 01:54:28,490
I guess my thought in all this is that to me,

1123
01:54:28,710 --> 01:54:33,470
that the overriding criteria is to create a network

1124
01:54:33,470 --> 01:54:38,330
of bike groups so that everybody can use them.

1125
01:54:38,330 --> 01:54:40,710
and we can get people on bikes and out of cars

1126
01:54:40,710 --> 01:54:43,450
and school kids on bikes.

1127
01:54:43,870 --> 01:54:48,510
So, and there was, one of the other things that occurred

1128
01:54:48,510 --> 01:54:50,770
to me that when you're talking about the different things

1129
01:54:50,770 --> 01:54:53,430
that could be requested, I wonder if we could,

1130
01:54:53,570 --> 01:54:55,850
we used to have the Safe Streets program

1131
01:54:56,530 --> 01:55:00,170
where small neighborhood streets were just close off

1132
01:55:00,170 --> 01:55:01,070
through traffic.

1133
01:55:01,770 --> 01:55:03,810
And I don't know whatever happened to that,

1134
01:55:03,810 --> 01:55:08,510
But that would be nice to re-institute.

1135
01:55:09,590 --> 01:55:12,290
I know where I live, there's a couple little short streets,

1136
01:55:12,610 --> 01:55:15,030
couple blocks that were shut down.

1137
01:55:15,410 --> 01:55:22,130
And I saw kids coming out and playing and using the whole street and so forth.

1138
01:55:22,610 --> 01:55:26,170
So that would seem like something that you might want to include in the

1139
01:55:26,170 --> 01:55:30,550
possibilities, along with red paint and signs and so forth.

1140
01:55:32,330 --> 01:55:40,450
As an improvement that the neighborhood could ask for, and maybe you could, when I'm done,

1141
01:55:40,630 --> 01:55:44,090
you could ask what, what did happen to that safe program?

1142
01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:46,510
It just seemed to disappear.

1143
01:55:47,870 --> 01:55:51,510
Also, I do agree that feedback should be involved.

1144
01:55:53,630 --> 01:55:57,610
You know, because we're overseeing this stuff.

1145
01:55:57,610 --> 01:56:01,670
I don't doubt that there's all good intentions,

1146
01:56:02,010 --> 01:56:03,530
but that is kind of our role.

1147
01:56:03,890 --> 01:56:05,630
So yeah, we should be involved in that.

1148
01:56:08,270 --> 01:56:10,450
And I thought there was something else,

1149
01:56:10,570 --> 01:56:11,470
but that could be it.

1150
01:56:11,870 --> 01:56:12,550
Thank you Bjorn.

1151
01:56:15,490 --> 01:56:17,770
Okay, thank you, Jerry.

1152
01:56:18,130 --> 01:56:20,350
So I heard the question about,

1153
01:56:20,970 --> 01:56:22,250
I believe the slow streets,

1154
01:56:22,250 --> 01:56:27,070
the temporary closures to through traffic

1155
01:56:27,070 --> 01:56:35,930
that was rolled out on a handful of streets throughout the city earlier in the pandemic.

1156
01:56:36,190 --> 01:56:54,710
And by understanding so that was just sort of a time limited program early in the pandemic to basically to kind of allow people to exercise and maintain social distancing on city streets.

1157
01:56:55,770 --> 01:57:00,270
And Gina, I don't know if that's why your hand is up on

1158
01:57:00,270 --> 01:57:02,430
Wyce List retended or okay.

1159
01:57:03,290 --> 01:57:04,890
Well, sorry, it timed out.

1160
01:57:05,110 --> 01:57:08,330
It was a it was a COVID-19 project.

1161
01:57:09,310 --> 01:57:12,450
And we piloted it during COVID-19.

1162
01:57:13,290 --> 01:57:20,390
And it was funded through some of the some of the government funding that came to

1163
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:31,930
the Petaluma through, you know, in working through COVID-19 impacts. So it was always understood

1164
01:57:31,930 --> 01:57:41,450
that if the projects, if the So Street's projects were popular, we would follow up and work

1165
01:57:41,450 --> 01:57:47,150
on memorializing similar projects in a more permanent way, and that's what this is doing.

1166
01:57:50,830 --> 01:58:01,110
Thanks, Gina. And I don't know, was your hand up on the budget question or so I can, I could speak to it. It was up because I forgot to lower it.

1167
01:58:02,710 --> 01:58:06,830
But I can answer that. So I don't believe that we've identified.

1168
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:13,810
Jerry, we haven't identified all of the funding sources that would be tapped for this.

1169
01:58:13,810 --> 01:58:18,290
to on some smaller, very basic striping projects.

1170
01:58:18,770 --> 01:58:22,570
Those might actually be born out of our streets operations

1171
01:58:22,570 --> 01:58:27,130
budget because we do striping internally

1172
01:58:27,130 --> 01:58:28,170
with our own forces.

1173
01:58:29,330 --> 01:58:33,230
On other projects, we would be looking to work

1174
01:58:33,230 --> 01:58:38,430
with our finance director and our public works director

1175
01:58:38,430 --> 01:58:43,590
and identifying where we wanna look to.

1176
01:58:43,810 --> 01:58:54,290
for funding. There could be RMRA street funds. There could be some other other funding sources,

1177
01:58:54,290 --> 01:59:00,690
including even our utility funds, if any of you know, some beauty of sometimes of doing these

1178
01:59:00,690 --> 01:59:07,930
projects and marrying them with underground improvements, underground utility improvements, because

1179
01:59:07,930 --> 01:59:13,730
is if you're going to repair or replace some laterals

1180
01:59:13,730 --> 01:59:19,110
or remain in a street, you have to repair

1181
01:59:19,110 --> 01:59:20,630
and restripe anyway.

1182
01:59:21,070 --> 01:59:24,490
And so then it becomes a great way to finance

1183
01:59:24,490 --> 01:59:28,910
some simpler surface improvements too.

1184
01:59:29,370 --> 01:59:31,850
So lots of different funding mechanisms

1185
01:59:31,850 --> 01:59:36,790
that we'll be exploring and all of them right now are TBD.

1186
01:59:36,790 --> 01:59:37,770
and

1187
01:59:40,110 --> 01:59:47,090
just to clarify too for Jerry, so this would not necessarily, you know, we're still

1188
01:59:47,090 --> 01:59:55,050
going to have some streets that get repaved annually. And as part of those paving projects,

1189
01:59:55,230 --> 01:59:59,490
we're looking at traffic calming improvements. That's just sort of baked into that.

1190
02:00:00,370 --> 02:00:30,290
Process, that's separate from this. This is really targeted at, like, quick build spot improvements. Whether or not your street is getting repaved, we wanted to deliver some traffic calming improvements for you. There could definitely be benefits to potentially waiting for a paving project if one is, you know, right around the corner to make these improvements. If, you know, if our highest scoring application is on a street that is going to be repaved that summer, it would just make sense.

1191
02:00:30,290 --> 02:00:36,870
to hold off until the streets we paid that summer probably, but really we're going to look to

1192
02:00:36,870 --> 02:00:42,070
take advantage of whatever opportunities are out there to make traffic calming improvements.

1193
02:00:47,610 --> 02:00:53,390
Thank you. Blake, I'm going to come back to you after we hear public comments since you've spoken

1194
02:00:53,390 --> 02:00:59,090
on this item already. I hope that's okay. I do have just a couple of questions to add to the mix

1195
02:00:59,090 --> 02:01:06,570
before we go to public comment I guess I'm wondering what do you mentioned Bjorn looking at other

1196
02:01:06,570 --> 02:01:11,910
cities and their similar programs which I think is smart why reinvent the wheel and I guess I'm

1197
02:01:11,910 --> 02:01:17,310
wondering what does their timeline look like for reviewing these types of applications that are

1198
02:01:17,310 --> 02:01:24,450
accepted on a rolling basis how are they handling that because yeah I would love to see you know quick

1199
02:01:24,450 --> 02:01:30,670
build projects quick to build the projects hopefully also quick to take from application to paint on

1200
02:01:30,670 --> 02:01:37,150
the ground or whatever it is on the ground. So I'd love to see that that move as quickly as possible.

1201
02:01:39,230 --> 02:01:46,070
And then I guess I'm wondering if the in the traffic data that you'd be collecting is pedestrian

1202
02:01:46,070 --> 02:01:51,310
bicycle counts would that be included somewhere and if not could that be included

1203
02:01:52,210 --> 02:02:01,950
You know, it could go one way or the other more by competitive, you know, okay, that's great. A lot of people are using this space, but the lack of my competitors might just mean it's really dangerous.

1204
02:02:02,190 --> 02:02:11,570
So, I think just contextually nice to have not that it would be a plus or a minus for an application, but something to consider.

1205
02:02:11,570 --> 02:02:41,550
And then I'm wondering if, you know, we've heard a bit tonight from committee members around tactical urbanism and kind of the safe streets group, but they were initially proposing with tactical urbanism and I'm wondering if there's an opportunity to have kind of a subset of this traffic calming program where if there are community groups and I know several that are really important.

1206
02:02:41,550 --> 02:02:47,830
change, just do a traffic circle or do whatever it is. And if they're, you know, they're

1207
02:02:47,830 --> 02:02:52,750
willing to do the actual work to put something in, the city comes and checks it to make sure

1208
02:02:52,750 --> 02:02:58,490
it's done correctly. And it's a pilot for a month and the community is, that neighborhood is tasked

1209
02:02:58,490 --> 02:03:04,890
with maintaining whatever the project is, making sure it's okay. And then, you know, it would be

1210
02:03:04,890 --> 02:03:10,830
evaluated after that month. And I'm wondering if, you know, we can model a similar program to pilot

1211
02:03:11,550 --> 02:03:14,490
after other cities around the country

1212
02:03:14,490 --> 02:03:17,110
that are also doing similar programs

1213
02:03:17,110 --> 02:03:19,350
where neighbor has a really empowered to,

1214
02:03:19,710 --> 02:03:22,850
they wanna do something and they work with the city

1215
02:03:22,850 --> 02:03:26,290
and they have ownership over that pilot.

1216
02:03:26,910 --> 02:03:28,650
And so it'd be great to have both,

1217
02:03:28,810 --> 02:03:33,450
not necessarily an amp or but to have both of these things.

1218
02:03:33,890 --> 02:03:35,350
I think it would be a great opportunity

1219
02:03:35,350 --> 02:03:37,830
to get so many more projects done faster.

1220
02:03:37,830 --> 02:03:44,450
If we have community support to do some of them, so I would just add that as well.

1221
02:03:47,850 --> 02:03:59,730
Yeah, thank you. Great feedback on the application window. Happy to I can look around at other programs and follow up on that.

1222
02:04:00,830 --> 02:04:07,670
San Francisco, as I know, is an annual program with a hard deadline and your project either

1223
02:04:07,670 --> 02:04:09,090
makes the cut or it doesn't.

1224
02:04:10,670 --> 02:04:13,970
I'm not sure about Haywords or some of the other programs out there.

1225
02:04:16,070 --> 02:04:25,390
As for tactical urbanism, I'm really not comfortable talking to that without knowing central liability

1226
02:04:25,390 --> 02:04:32,290
ability issues, not to mention any issues around having members of the public, potentially

1227
02:04:32,290 --> 02:04:42,230
designing, installing, maintaining traffic control devices, but something that we can certainly

1228
02:04:42,230 --> 02:04:47,850
look into, especially looking at other cities that have rolled out tactical or urbanism

1229
02:04:47,850 --> 02:04:51,410
programs and to see how they've addressed those issues.

1230
02:04:54,380 --> 02:05:05,720
Thanks Bjorn. Yeah, I'm sure the safe streets folks will be happy to follow up with more information on existing cities that have that and how they handle liability and because obviously that jumped in my mind.

1231
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:12,400
How do you handle that? So I'll leave it to them to send you some more information if they haven't already.

1232
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:18,320
Okay, I don't see any other new hands up so we can move to public comment on this item.

1233
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:22,920
Okay, a moderator, would you please move public comment?

1234
02:05:23,380 --> 02:05:27,160
Yes, those wishing to participate in public comment must raise their virtual hand and

1235
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:27,920
wait to be called on.

1236
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:30,440
Speakers are reminded to be respectful in their comments.

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02:05:31,080 --> 02:05:35,040
The first speaker will be acknowledged and invited to speak when the three minute countdown

1238
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:35,600
begins.

1239
02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:38,440
Please make sure to unmute yourself when you are invited to do so.

1240
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:43,100
The first speaker is Harris Weaver, please go ahead and begin your three minutes of public

1241
02:05:43,100 --> 02:05:43,400
comment.

1242
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:53,640
I think so, Iris, we've heard from County Bicycle Coalition, this whole project, this whole

1243
02:05:53,640 --> 02:06:00,620
thing is kind of interesting, but also as I was reading through this staff report, there's

1244
02:06:00,620 --> 02:06:06,100
a lot of it that I was still sort of felt sort of vague to react to, like what the application

1245
02:06:06,100 --> 02:06:12,100
process, okay, there'll be a process, but I'm hoping that it will be simple and not something

1246
02:06:12,100 --> 02:06:19,480
that is so complicated or yeah so complicated or full of jargon or something that people won't

1247
02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:28,900
really be able to fill it out easily. I had a comment in response to Kelly's talking about

1248
02:06:29,650 --> 02:06:36,800
that more sort of temporary things and something that I've been very much looking at is pop up

1249
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:54,260
kind of things like bike lanes and cross walks that sort of a more temporary thing than the quick build things of the city's been doing. I did a wonderful webinar led by Dick Campbell from bike East Bay and they have been doing

1250
02:06:54,260 --> 02:07:03,540
helping various cities do these like day-long or a couple of weeks or two long pop-up experimental

1251
02:07:03,540 --> 02:07:14,280
things and they've got a whole system for creating the materials ahead of time that can be laid out

1252
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:21,940
there and will stay for, you know, a week or a few days or whatever and then be rolled back up and

1253
02:07:21,940 --> 02:07:26,580
taken away and be able to be used again, which I'm very interested in, rather than going out with

1254
02:07:26,580 --> 02:07:31,320
chalk paint or something that then has to be washed. This is stuff that can be laid down driven over

1255
02:07:31,320 --> 02:07:35,840
and then rolled up and taken away and used again. And so I've been thinking a lot about how

1256
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:43,500
to work with any jurisdictions that are interested to do something like that, because it would seem that

1257
02:07:43,500 --> 02:07:54,960
we the bike coalition could be a partner in helping create and store the materials, but then

1258
02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:59,780
be able to, you know, go from place to place, from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, who is interested

1259
02:07:59,780 --> 02:08:08,460
in like, okay, let's do a pop-up buffer bike lane here or a crosswalk there so that people can

1260
02:08:08,460 --> 02:08:13,820
experience it, but I have to figure out where to get money to do it. Anyway, I sort of get

1261
02:08:13,820 --> 02:08:18,840
rambling now, but that was something that worked up in my brain as Kelly was talking about that.

1262
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:19,320
Thanks.

1263
02:08:21,620 --> 02:08:24,200
Thank you. Chair Bond there. No other hands raised.

1264
02:08:28,170 --> 02:08:31,350
Okay. Thank you so much for that

1265
02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:33,070
comment. We'll go to Blake.

1266
02:08:36,430 --> 02:08:39,830
Thank you. I realized there were a few items I left off my list,

1267
02:08:39,830 --> 02:08:42,250
and I also just want to respond to something really quick.

1268
02:08:43,290 --> 02:08:48,950
I was going to ask whether or not this application was going to end up on the Engage Petaluma app,

1269
02:08:49,330 --> 02:08:54,450
because I think this would be a great way to make use of that application that few people seem to

1270
02:08:54,450 --> 02:08:54,950
know exists.

1271
02:08:57,150 --> 02:09:03,570
The other thing I was going to flag, I know it'll make this a bit harder, but given the

1272
02:09:03,570 --> 02:09:07,330
population we have, it'd be great to see this also translated in Spanish,

1273
02:09:07,950 --> 02:09:16,430
making that an accessible way of using it. And then I just wanted to flag, I think we've been

1274
02:09:16,430 --> 02:09:21,190
talking about two separate things when we're talking about what this process does and we're talking

1275
02:09:21,190 --> 02:09:26,730
about neighborhood empowerment and community engagement. I mean, this is effectively a new government

1276
02:09:26,730 --> 02:09:32,270
program, very small local program, but it's effectively a new program. So you want it to be reliable

1277
02:09:32,270 --> 02:09:56,030
accessible for everyone. I love the idea of neighborhoods coming together and coming up with their own ideas, but you also don't want a situation where if you live in a neighborhood where no one has the time because they're working or whatever other responsibilities they have to do in their daily life that they're not going to get very far because they don't happen to have somebody with time who likes to engage in city transit.

1278
02:09:56,030 --> 02:10:04,270
So one thing I would suggest more to Chair Bond's point is that this be separate, separate programs all together.

1279
02:10:05,230 --> 02:10:15,870
Let's make this reliable and accessible, something people know they're going to get a response to, something people are going to be able to understand, especially with the having some kind of tiered process or toolkit.

1280
02:10:15,870 --> 02:10:22,650
have PBAC be involved, but have PBAC be involved when it's more complicated? Like if it's we need

1281
02:10:22,650 --> 02:10:27,350
some paid or we need a curb that isn't quite striped right like that that shouldn't be stuff that

1282
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:33,330
involves us that slows them down. It should be when it's hey we're competing between these items and

1283
02:10:33,330 --> 02:10:39,190
they might actually require a serious budgetary expats that I think is more of something to involve

1284
02:10:39,190 --> 02:10:45,450
PBAC for. And then for making sure that neighborhoods can get involved for tactical urbanism, I think

1285
02:10:45,450 --> 02:10:49,930
that that's got to be its own program. If you add that to this, it's going to make it

1286
02:10:50,670 --> 02:10:55,170
unmanageable for staff, which is from my perspective. Anyway, thank you.

1287
02:11:00,910 --> 02:11:01,990
Thank you, Kevin.

1288
02:11:03,690 --> 02:11:09,150
Just as I thought, maybe we can define the different types of projects as maintenance level versus

1289
02:11:09,150 --> 02:11:16,830
capital level. And we staff has, you know, a $50,000 latitude on what's a maintenance task and

1290
02:11:16,830 --> 02:11:22,950
doesn't have to be vetted heavily, you know, maybe everyone can be a winner at that level

1291
02:11:22,950 --> 02:11:30,750
and gets involved, gets an annual if it hits over the $50,000 or what you'd call capital

1292
02:11:31,250 --> 02:11:37,170
which inherently means not quit built. So, you know, maybe that's just a different way

1293
02:11:37,170 --> 02:11:39,110
of setting the bar, thanks.

1294
02:11:39,110 --> 02:11:39,890
Okay.

1295
02:11:47,660 --> 02:11:57,680
I don't see any other hands raised. I just have another comment or two. I, yeah, would

1296
02:11:57,680 --> 02:12:04,700
highly stress the how it might be helpful to really specify the types of projects that

1297
02:12:04,700 --> 02:12:11,140
are eligible for the traffic calming program, fun little icons that make it very, you know,

1298
02:12:11,320 --> 02:12:16,500
clear what each type of project is, what it looks like for folks that might not be as familiar

1299
02:12:16,500 --> 02:12:21,500
with like terminology. I'm sure other communities have good examples of that.

1300
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:27,380
And then also just to echo the, you know, maybe having a checkbox or something

1301
02:12:27,380 --> 02:12:35,300
for showing community support. If you're submitting an application, but not to Blake's point,

1302
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:43,400
I also would not want this to, you know, be restricted to neighborhoods where there are more people

1303
02:12:43,400 --> 02:12:49,460
that have capacity to be activists and engage with neighbors and, you know, I wouldn't want that to

1304
02:12:49,460 --> 02:12:54,500
to share anyone. So I like the idea of having bonus points if there's community support but

1305
02:12:56,160 --> 02:13:01,200
but not, you know, I just want to be sensitive to the fact that not all neighborhoods or neighbors

1306
02:13:01,200 --> 02:13:08,760
are going to be able to be advocates have the time to to do that. So capturing it might be nice,

1307
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:13,260
but okay I'm rambling now sorry let's see anything else on my list.

1308
02:13:17,070 --> 02:13:42,210
I think that's it for now thank you. Okay. Let's see any other hands? No. All right. I just want to say just thank you to to the committee for such a good dialogue on this and for really, you know, digging into this topic and asking a lot of good questions providing a lot of good feedback.

1309
02:13:42,210 --> 02:13:48,090
back and apologize, definitely understand that the staff report was big, but that was

1310
02:13:48,090 --> 02:13:54,690
really because we wanted to come to you with this being somewhat open-ended still and

1311
02:13:54,690 --> 02:13:59,090
really get all of your ideas out on the table before we go too far with this.

1312
02:13:59,370 --> 02:14:02,710
So thank you very much for all the great feedback tonight.

1313
02:14:06,010 --> 02:14:06,430
Thank you.

1314
02:14:06,490 --> 02:14:11,850
I think we're all really excited to see how this evolves and we can add on to it or have

1315
02:14:11,850 --> 02:14:23,730
separate other programs. Okay. I will close item eight and we'll move on to item nine staff comment. I will turn it back to Bjorn.

1316
02:14:25,650 --> 02:14:41,710
Okay, so I let's see the bullet points. I included this month were bike parking, Howard Street Paving and Lynch Creek Trail improvements by the river band developer.

1317
02:14:41,710 --> 02:14:46,970
I have one additional bullet to share and that's on bike share.

1318
02:14:47,150 --> 02:14:52,150
We actually just learned that Sonoma County Transportation Authority and Transportation

1319
02:14:52,150 --> 02:14:59,850
Authority Marin plan to re-issue their request for proposals soon as you probably

1320
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
Assemblymember, the bike share system, sadly, or the operator who is going to operate bike share in Sonoma and Marin County's seems to have gone bankrupt or basically disappeared overnight. So that's really exciting news that SCTA and TAM are going to get that RFP back out. What's also exciting is that the RFP will include an option to

1321
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:33,960
to include scooters in addition to bikes.

1322
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:37,000
So bikes are required, scooters are optional.

1323
02:15:37,420 --> 02:15:39,800
Be interested to see any proposals come in

1324
02:15:39,800 --> 02:15:41,080
that include both.

1325
02:15:42,360 --> 02:15:45,740
Okay, so back on to the list on bike parking.

1326
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:49,480
Looking forward to providing an update on that.

1327
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:51,640
Hopefully at the next meeting.

1328
02:15:53,020 --> 02:15:58,120
I think you're all aware we have a grant for just under $35,000

1329
02:15:58,120 --> 02:16:08,400
to install bike racks this year, because nothing is as easy as it should be. Right now, we're

1330
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:16,700
currently trying to figure out what kind of leeway we may or may not have with our downtown

1331
02:16:16,700 --> 02:16:26,160
specific street scape standards. As you all probably all know, we have a very custom-style

1332
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:34,340
bike rack in downtown that has a little egg hatching on top of the post and ring. So we're currently

1333
02:16:34,340 --> 02:16:41,840
trying to figure out, you know, if that exact design is required, or if we have a little more leeway,

1334
02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:49,320
we can, and maybe go with a rack that looks similar but is more affordable, thus enabling us to purchase

1335
02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:56,120
more racks for downtown. Outside of downtown, it's much less of a concern. We can, we can get

1336
02:16:56,120 --> 02:17:05,580
racks that you know are more affordable and really conform with best practices. So hopefully

1337
02:17:05,580 --> 02:17:12,680
I will have an update for the committee on that next month and then Howard Street just wanted

1338
02:17:12,680 --> 02:17:19,780
to give everyone a heads up that we are planning to hold a community workshop either in the very

1339
02:17:19,780 --> 02:17:26,520
tail end of January or potentially early February, and that's for a paving project from West

1340
02:17:26,520 --> 02:17:35,200
Street to A Street that will follow on the heels of a planned sewer project. The project

1341
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:44,040
will be more pedestrian and traffic calming focused, I think, but it does sort of an early

1342
02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:49,030
look at the corridor. It looks like we could potentially have room for a class two bike lane in

1343
02:17:49,030 --> 02:17:55,770
direction. So there could be some interesting opportunities there. And that's a project

1344
02:17:55,770 --> 02:18:00,470
that I believe is planned for fall of 2023, but it really depends on the timing of the

1345
02:18:00,470 --> 02:18:07,630
sewer work. So more details will be provided that community workshop and we will be sure

1346
02:18:07,630 --> 02:18:13,610
to get the word to the committee when that date is announced. And then lastly, the Lynch Creek

1347
02:18:13,610 --> 02:18:20,730
trail improvements by riverbend. They have completed the paving work so the trail is open.

1348
02:18:21,710 --> 02:18:27,390
They do still have to perform or install the decomposed granite shoulders

1349
02:18:28,350 --> 02:18:35,150
and also lighting along the trail and both of those items are weather dependent. So

1350
02:18:36,230 --> 02:18:42,210
if and when we get a dry spell they'll be able to finish off that section of trail.

1351
02:18:42,210 --> 02:18:43,810
But for now, the trail is open.

1352
02:18:44,570 --> 02:18:46,930
And I think that's it from me.

1353
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:55,810
You are able to also comment on the wayfinding project as we talked about.

1354
02:18:55,970 --> 02:18:57,650
I know Ken was going to be able to.

1355
02:18:57,690 --> 02:19:00,910
I don't know if you can give still a brief update on his behalf.

1356
02:19:01,850 --> 02:19:06,110
Yeah, so the item was included under.

1357
02:19:07,390 --> 02:19:11,230
Number six communications on this week's.

1358
02:19:11,230 --> 02:19:20,070
This month's agenda, sorry, we shared the signage design and also the signage plan

1359
02:19:20,750 --> 02:19:29,910
for the pilot program and Ken shared that he was planning to go to bed with that soon

1360
02:19:30,850 --> 02:19:36,350
within the next few weeks and hopefully have it delivered in spring.

1361
02:19:36,350 --> 02:19:59,630
And so the, I believe in my email to the committee, I included that, you know, we wouldn't be discussing it in depth tonight, but that if any committee members wanted to do another review and discussion of way finding to share that with the chair, and then we can consider adding it to an upcoming agenda.

1362
02:19:59,630 --> 02:20:00,430
Thank

1363
02:20:02,770 --> 02:20:08,910
you. Okay. Is that all for your comment? Does anyone have questions?

1364
02:20:13,080 --> 02:20:13,360
Marja?

1365
02:20:18,150 --> 02:20:19,510
I don't really have

1366
02:20:19,510 --> 02:20:27,250
a question. I just want us to remember what we had agreed upon when it came to wayfinding or at least

1367
02:20:27,250 --> 02:20:36,010
my rendition of what I recalled. So I went back to March of 2022 and I keep all of our agendas and

1368
02:20:36,010 --> 02:20:42,170
interesting information together it was pretty simple for me to find the motion

1369
02:20:42,170 --> 02:20:48,250
itself that we made regarding the wayfinding project and that motion just as

1370
02:20:48,250 --> 02:20:52,870
a reminder said to support the wayfinding project giving staff direction to

1371
02:20:52,870 --> 02:20:57,050
seek out additional considerations brought up by P back should time and

1372
02:20:57,050 --> 02:21:02,070
funding allow and it was made by Kelly seconded by Jerry the motion was carried

1373
02:21:02,070 --> 02:21:08,850
However, many of us were very concerned with just that amount of information that we

1374
02:21:08,850 --> 02:21:14,730
were agreeing to, and we asked the considerations be attached to that decision.

1375
02:21:15,410 --> 02:21:22,610
And the considerations were lighting as applicable for signs and kiosks, space for hanging

1376
02:21:22,610 --> 02:21:31,150
bike tools at Kiosks, add signage to H Street, extending wayfinding program onto the Lynch Creek

1377
02:21:31,150 --> 02:21:38,570
Trail, going as far as North McDowell, QR codes for feedback, maintenance, and mapping.

1378
02:21:39,410 --> 02:21:47,010
Consider a name change from bike pedal to be more inclusive, and speed limit signs, staff

1379
02:21:47,010 --> 02:21:52,330
noting that this would be, and I'm just reading from the minutes, staff noted that this

1380
02:21:52,330 --> 02:21:57,930
would be considered by the waypinding program, but would not be determined under a rules of the

1381
02:21:57,930 --> 02:22:02,730
road format. So those are the considerations that we made, and I just don't want us to lose

1382
02:22:02,730 --> 02:22:13,990
sight of those. I was pleased to see that there was a by Petaluma change to our signage, which we had

1383
02:22:13,990 --> 02:22:19,450
talked about and mentioned here. So I checked that as having actually probably been accomplished,

1384
02:22:19,450 --> 02:22:22,990
But I still am concerned about QR codes.

1385
02:22:23,250 --> 02:22:30,730
I would also like to make sure that we consider this project not complete unless we can get

1386
02:22:30,730 --> 02:22:33,230
it all the way to North Medellin, Lynch Creek.

1387
02:22:33,650 --> 02:22:43,270
That way we have a signage program on a major boulevard and we also would have put it on

1388
02:22:43,270 --> 02:22:51,850
to our major cross-town off-road connector which I think is important and just to see both sides

1389
02:22:51,850 --> 02:22:56,730
of what this pilot would look like. So I just want to remind us not to lose sight of those.

1390
02:22:57,150 --> 02:23:04,470
Is that to hear this project again perhaps? But maybe this is all that's needed. Just a reminder

1391
02:23:04,470 --> 02:23:09,970
for those of us who are at that meeting that this is something that we still consider important.

1392
02:23:10,610 --> 02:23:11,570
Thank you.

1393
02:23:12,370 --> 02:23:14,550
Gina, did you have something to say?

1394
02:23:15,150 --> 02:23:15,310
No.

1395
02:23:15,950 --> 02:23:21,930
Marja, thank you for I know your intent is to make sure that we stay on top of that.

1396
02:23:22,030 --> 02:23:22,810
I appreciate that.

1397
02:23:23,210 --> 02:23:23,970
And they're good comments.

1398
02:23:24,190 --> 02:23:30,050
But I just want to remind us to stay on agenda so that we don't have any brown act violations.

1399
02:23:30,330 --> 02:23:35,610
So a couple of times tonight, we kind of veered off from from an agenda item.

1400
02:23:35,610 --> 02:23:50,330
way finding wasn't an agenda item and now we're discussing it in depth and that that can get that can get uncomfortably close to to violating some of our basic tenants here.

1401
02:23:50,490 --> 02:23:57,170
So what I would offer is that we are following up on much of that to my knowledge.

1402
02:23:57,170 --> 02:24:05,830
And we can get back to you and the committee in response to that, you know, basically under

1403
02:24:05,830 --> 02:24:10,010
separate cover, but we can provide communication on that.

1404
02:24:10,210 --> 02:24:15,430
And if you, if you're, you'll decide you want to agendize this, then that would also be

1405
02:24:15,430 --> 02:24:17,690
a way to bring this back up for conversation.

1406
02:24:18,450 --> 02:24:18,810
Thanks.

1407
02:24:19,450 --> 02:24:20,010
Thank you.

1408
02:24:26,750 --> 02:24:27,250
Okay.

1409
02:24:27,350 --> 02:24:30,750
Patricia, did you have a question for Björn, not related to a finding?

1410
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:32,510
Yes.

1411
02:24:32,510 --> 02:24:49,530
So it's actually a comment to Gina and her background. I was surprised to sort of see it now. It's like, oh yay, the bike shirt program is back in on happening again. So I just had the laugh going, oh, yeah, Gina, you did it. OK. So thank you.

1412
02:24:49,810 --> 02:24:55,490
You know, it's just a little trick that she pulled out of her sleeve. I don't know something. So good job.

1413
02:25:00,170 --> 02:25:08,390
Yeah, but you did that. You did the pretty picture behind us to say it was coming back. Yeah. That one.

1414
02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:18,520
All right. I don't see any other hand so you can move on to committee comment.

1415
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:28,440
We'll start with our ad hoc to many updates. Vision zero. Nicole, would you like to give a brief update to the group or not. That's fine.

1416
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:36,800
Um, I'm trying to think if we met since the last time we, I gave the update and I can't remember.

1417
02:25:37,400 --> 02:25:44,240
Um, I think they actually met a couple of times. Uh, if I can, I can give an update if, uh,

1418
02:25:44,400 --> 02:25:57,880
if you're not getting a memory of that. Okay. Yeah. Sure. Um, we met, uh, I think twice and are

1419
02:25:57,880 --> 02:26:04,080
next meeting with a presentation to share our top five priorities that we

1420
02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:09,400
identified to hear your feedback if you agree and so we were able to meet

1421
02:26:09,400 --> 02:26:15,380
with Bjorn and kind of talk about the process and how the city will would

1422
02:26:15,380 --> 02:26:21,120
potentially use the sheet that we created and the list of priorities and things

1423
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:25,000
like that so that we can come with a presentation that has a little more

1424
02:26:25,000 --> 02:26:31,120
information for you all instead of just five priorities. So yeah, we'll we'll

1425
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:35,280
tell you more when we talk next month, but I think that's pretty much it.

1426
02:26:40,100 --> 02:26:40,700
Okay, so

1427
02:26:40,700 --> 02:26:47,160
by parking, would any present members care to give any kind of a brief

1428
02:26:47,160 --> 02:26:49,180
update if you have one? If you don't, that's fine.

1429
02:26:58,810 --> 02:27:00,690
Yeah, let's go ahead. Yeah, can we

1430
02:27:00,690 --> 02:27:05,890
add like to just mention that, you know, Kevin of Yorkie did some initial

1431
02:27:05,890 --> 02:27:12,030
groundwork for us with the weather being the way it is. I've not been able to get out over the

1432
02:27:12,030 --> 02:27:19,010
holiday that I as I had expected. So I don't think unless Patricia has something else to offer.

1433
02:27:19,610 --> 02:27:26,250
I don't think that we have gathered the information citywide that we wanted to.

1434
02:27:27,730 --> 02:27:38,470
So I think that our report back should, you know, not be expected until after maybe, maybe March, but after perhaps after March.

1435
02:27:41,580 --> 02:27:41,800
Okay.

1436
02:27:42,280 --> 02:27:43,600
Thanks for that.

1437
02:27:44,340 --> 02:27:45,280
Trails committee.

1438
02:27:50,180 --> 02:27:50,900
Jerry, go ahead.

1439
02:27:51,440 --> 02:27:51,760
Yeah.

1440
02:27:52,180 --> 02:27:55,540
So we have two different teams.

1441
02:27:56,240 --> 02:28:03,880
Margin and I, and Janice Cater Thompson and Justin, we've kind of divvied up the trails.

1442
02:28:04,540 --> 02:28:09,640
Margin and I have explored a couple of them, most recently in Washington Creek Trail.

1443
02:28:11,120 --> 02:28:15,000
And we put that, what we found into the PowerPoint.

1444
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:19,360
We're going to meet again. Margin has sent something up with Janice, I believe,

1445
02:28:20,400 --> 02:28:32,060
to four of us to meet again and gather everything that we have so we can have a, you know, one collective presentation.

1446
02:28:32,500 --> 02:28:41,340
I think March is certainly more reasonable, more likely than February, which I think was initially proposed.

1447
02:28:42,820 --> 02:28:44,560
But yeah, we're getting there.

1448
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:53,180
We had a fifth member who has not responded, so we're going to each of our teams is going to pick up a couple more trails.

1449
02:28:53,660 --> 02:28:58,680
So we're getting there and I think we'll have something good for you.

1450
02:29:00,300 --> 02:29:03,120
And that's happy trails to you. Thank you.

1451
02:29:04,400 --> 02:29:06,900
Great. Thank you for sharing that.

1452
02:29:06,900 --> 02:29:10,060
Okay, we'll move to committee comments.

1453
02:29:10,680 --> 02:29:12,760
First, council member McDonald.

1454
02:29:14,480 --> 02:29:16,200
Well, thank you very much.

1455
02:29:17,240 --> 02:29:22,240
Council last met on December 19th and not a whole lot of feedback related there.

1456
02:29:22,980 --> 02:29:28,620
I did want to compliment the public figure who mentioned city threads.

1457
02:29:28,980 --> 02:29:36,200
I guess the city has contributed to that and has the staff involved, so it's another nice

1458
02:29:36,200 --> 02:29:44,680
way to bring more insulting support and strength into our improvements for bicycling in town.

1459
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:51,100
And this is my last meeting on P-Bach. And you'll have a new representative come February.

1460
02:29:51,940 --> 02:29:57,040
And I want you to know that I've really enjoyed knowing and working with each and every one of you.

1461
02:29:57,400 --> 02:29:59,380
And I appreciate everything you do.

1462
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,360
The energy and effort that you put in, trying to make place the town better place. And amongst your future goals, I hope you will achieve that last 500 feet of the smart path from Lake Filter Brewsters, Water Street. And I hope also that Peaback Engage is actively in second year 2023. So again, thanks the opportunity to be with you these past two years. Thanks.

1463
02:30:29,360 --> 02:30:33,140
Thank you. Appreciate your

1464
02:30:33,140 --> 02:30:35,260
liaison ship to this committee.

1465
02:30:36,140 --> 02:30:37,460
And your time on council.

1466
02:30:38,440 --> 02:30:39,440
Okay, we'll move to you,

1467
02:30:39,540 --> 02:30:40,540
planning commission liaison,

1468
02:30:40,780 --> 02:30:40,980
Hooper.

1469
02:30:42,480 --> 02:30:44,780
We have not met since our last

1470
02:30:44,780 --> 02:30:46,900
meeting. We are supposed to meet

1471
02:30:46,900 --> 02:30:48,300
at the end of this month.

1472
02:30:48,540 --> 02:30:50,900
So I look forward to having a real

1473
02:30:50,900 --> 02:30:51,900
report next time.

1474
02:30:52,520 --> 02:30:54,060
One thing I did want to say with

1475
02:30:54,060 --> 02:30:56,620
the new year is that at some point,

1476
02:30:56,620 --> 02:30:58,500
we're supposed to get a report back

1477
02:30:58,500 --> 02:31:03,540
kind of a variety of code improvements we've been asking for and planning. I'm hoping once we get

1478
02:31:03,540 --> 02:31:08,180
those to be able to report back to this committee about several changes that will hopefully focus

1479
02:31:08,180 --> 02:31:15,720
more on active transit requirements. And then I also just wanted to thank Mayor McDonald for all

1480
02:31:15,720 --> 02:31:18,540
of his time on this committee and all this hard work. Thank you.

1481
02:31:21,270 --> 02:31:23,530
Thank you very much. Okay,

1482
02:31:23,530 --> 02:31:26,770
Okay, recreation music and parks commission liaison Earl.

1483
02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:40,300
Yes, thank you. I don't have any updates because we were waiting on the pest management program and they were not ready, so we did not have me.

1484
02:31:40,900 --> 02:31:47,080
That was scheduled for right before the holiday, so I'll have hopefully an update next month.

1485
02:31:50,650 --> 02:31:52,070
Okay, thank you very much.

1486
02:31:53,370 --> 02:32:05,930
And the joint transit advisory and pedestrian by school committee have not been meeting, but it sounds like maybe you will be in the future. So that's exciting.

1487
02:32:06,890 --> 02:32:08,730
Patricia, was there anything else you wanted to add?

1488
02:32:15,260 --> 02:32:20,100
Okay, I can't, I can only say one person at a time, so I'm going to assume you're shaking your head because I don't see your hand up.

1489
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:29,680
Okay. Okay. And Ken is not here. So Gina, Bjorn, is there any update from the Sonoma County, but I can pet committee.

1490
02:32:33,560 --> 02:32:43,400
I unfortunately not have an update from him on on whether or not they met so I can make sure at our next meeting if he notes anything that took place in sense our last meeting.

1491
02:32:43,740 --> 02:32:49,140
Gina, I don't know if you know, and she's taken her head. So yeah, we'll follow up on that if they have met.

1492
02:32:49,140 --> 02:32:54,520
Okay, I know it's been many meetings of no update, so if they're not meeting, they're

1493
02:32:54,520 --> 02:32:54,820
not meeting.

1494
02:32:55,620 --> 02:33:02,020
But okay, does anyone, any other committee members who are not listed out there, does anyone

1495
02:33:02,020 --> 02:33:05,200
else have a comment, please raise your hand.

1496
02:33:14,700 --> 02:33:21,440
Okay, I don't see any hands raised, so we will move on to item 11 upcoming agendas.

1497
02:33:21,660 --> 02:33:26,740
We've got a number of fun stuff coming up over the next few months, exciting way to launch

1498
02:33:26,740 --> 02:33:33,540
into 2023 and with that I think we can move to adjournment and we'll see

1499
02:33:33,540 --> 02:33:39,160
everyone at our February meeting on the first and I hope everyone stays dry

1500
02:33:39,160 --> 02:33:47,160
and safe tonight through all of this crazy crazy storm. Thank you all and I

1501
02:33:47,160 --> 02:33:48,040
Thank you.

1502
02:33:48,420 --> 02:33:49,660
Thank you, everybody.

1503
02:33:49,960 --> 02:33:50,500
Stay safe.

1504
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:51,200
Thank you.