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Call the meeting to order. Are you with us on the phone?

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Okay, we're expecting one other person to call in. Maybe we'll see if he's there when we get the item three. So, the quick, is this mic, the palace? Okay, we're going to do the voluntary pledge after the roll call and then we'll get to the informational presentation. Thanks on the clerk. Call the roll, please.

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So, here.

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Jen Hellerle?

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And Mark?

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Okay, and it's now time for the voluntary pledge of allegiance.

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pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for

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which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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we're going to have an informational presentation on the cake access

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to the intertype projects.

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Riffus this evening on the chambers of Andy Hughes, the last of the Department of Transportation,

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Mark Schemman, Cephas Manager for the intertype project, Jason Anderson, and Tom Parker from the

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Forest Service as well as Mike Profales from Federal Highways and he's on the phone.

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Are you still with us, Mike?

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Okay, and I think what we'll do is start off with maybe an explanation from Jason Anderson

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I'm going to go ahead and do it from

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here since it might be hard to hear you from the phone.

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Jason Kasey, one more thing.

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We just all came about with just, I think there's some confusion with all the interaction

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between all the agencies and I thought if we could get everybody together in one city

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and just give a presentation without questions from the public, it might clarify things a

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So I think if any assembly members have any questions on the status of things they should feel

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free to chime in, but we'll keep it just to that for questions at this point.

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So K. Jason, thanks.

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So my hope was just to really kind of lay out where the federal involvement is on both

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the two projects and maybe first and foremost try to address what comes up commonly about

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whether or not the two projects are connected.

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You have both looking at a similar corridor as well as other alternative routes.

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So just to sort of set the stage for more technical questions of the individuals like Mike from

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Fed Highways or Mark from Commonwealth Associates, I just wanted to lay out sort of the groundwork

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for the environmental analyses that are happening now.

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You've got two separate projects in the form

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of the CAKED Petersburg Intertile.

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That's the electrical transmission line.

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of the CAKED access, the Federal Highways proposal.

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They have different underlying purpose and needs.

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One is to provide reduced cost power to the community of CAKED.

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The other is to improve transportation opportunities

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between or to the community of CAKED.

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Those two separate underlying purpose and need,

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when you look at the federal regulations for implementing NEPA, in other words the translation

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about how to comply with that law, it talks about three reasons why you would connect

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an action into a single environmental impact statement. Those reasons are one, if one action

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triggers the other, two, if one action cannot proceed unless the other action is taken previously

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or simultaneously, or three, if both actions are interdependent parts of a larger action

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and depend on that larger action to move forward.

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As our discussions occurred around the table with Federal Highways, the Commonwealth, the Proponents of SEPA,

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as well as the State Highway Department of Transportation.

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Perfect timing.

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So as we had a discussion, what we concluded is that none of those three provisions have

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been really triggered with the two projects, even though they share that similar northern

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corridor, which is in our forest plan, thank you.

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We have a transportation utility land use designation across the north end of the island which is specifically for utility and transportation systems but that's just

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One particular alternative and the forest plan does not dictate that it has to be used for either the two projects. So, from a connected standpoint, I think we've met the test that the two actions are not connected based on those different underlying purpose and needs, the direction and the implementing regulations. From there, there's a whole list of questions about coordination between the projects. Certainly the two projects and the analyses are going to have to be communicating at some point in time to

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deal with the indirect effects and potential cumulative effects of having two actions going forward in the near time, you know, sometime in the next three to five years, actually implementing actions on the ground.

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So there's going to be that discussion in the analysis. There's a great Q&A that Mike had put together. I don't know if Mike, do you want to add anything more to the presentation at this point from connectedness and relationship standpoint?

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point. No. The Q&A is in the back. I think Andy brought about 40 copies. Really useful

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information for understanding the relationship between the two projects. As the analyses

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carry forward, both, you know, with right now, the CAKed Feetersburg Intertide project is sort

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of out of the gates first. As those analyses become, you know, closer to drafts and eventually

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final environmental impact statements, you'll have a lot more technical data about the projects

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next design, costs, environmental impacts, economic impacts, et cetera.

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All right, any questions from the assembly of Jason?

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Has the Forest Service already decided that they're going to support the northern route?

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Actually, no, our decision hasn't come forward on which one we'll support.

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an acceptable location, that land use designation is acceptable location for utility and transportation

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systems.

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is to issue special use or, yeah, be a special use permit or an easement to seep for the installation

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of that line.

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So ultimately it's a decision about land use and where that land use would occur.

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other alternatives that the proponent is developing, the forest supervisor will ultimately

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have to weigh in on which decision or which pardon me, which alternative he feels most

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comfortable picking in terms of how it meets the purpose and need of reducing the cost of

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power to cake.

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In fact, statement, public comment, and the ability of the project to meet that particular expressed need.

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Does that answer your question?

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I do have one other question, and I'm looking at the Total Project Snapshot report, which is from the state legislator in 2012.

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And they made a sort of a checklist of which agency could take the lead on which projects, and it looked like at that time

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that the anticipation was that Federal Highway and the Forest Service and State Highways would all be partners in this project.

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Why did you choose not to go in that direction?

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For the cake access project, I believe that is actually the case.

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We are selling on as a cooperating agency to the Federal Highway Administration and the Environmental Impact Statement.

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the express nature of the rest of the state is less clear to me on the kick-access.

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Thank you, Dr.

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McPome, please, Andy, indicate your name and who you represent.

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Andy Hughes, Alaska DOT, Southeast Region Planning.

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The snapshot document that's referred to here is the legislative backup document for

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for the appropriation of $40 billion.

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purposes of the project and the potential justification

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for the project, it also identified several alternatives

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as to how you could go forward to proceed

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through the environmental process.

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And one of the assumptions was, well, if folks felt, if you didn't use any federal aid

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and you stayed on either one of the two easements that were conveyed already to the department

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Section 44-07 easements. As long as the Department stayed within those easements, that we possibly

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could avoid NIPA, a federal NIPA action, however, folks at were thinking along those terms,

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was overlooking the fact that there was still a remaining federal action, and that would be

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the need to get an Army Corps of Engineers wetland permit.

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Force, we usually have several federal actions, one of them being the wetlands permit, another

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one being an easement through the forest, and the last one, usually we use federal aid

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in constructing most of our road facilities.

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So in this case, we evaluated the three different courses of action, whether we went with the

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Army Corps of Engineers as a lead agency, the Forest Service as a lead agency, or federal

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highways as a lead agency and we chose to use some federal aid, highway aid, to get

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us through the NEPA process. We're actually leveraging the 40 million with federal highway

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dollars as well. And so federal highways is the lead agency in this case. Cooperating agencies

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are the Army Corps of Engineers and the Forest Service.

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So all three agencies are involved in this EIS.

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Does that answer your question?

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It does.

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It still seems like it's an expensive way

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to, because you're ending up running two separate processes

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instead of doing it as one project,

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but that's the agencies for it to decide.

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Okay, any more questions of pet highways

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or US Forest Service or DOT, yes?

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Okay. I guess there's no more presentation from those three entities. We'll have Mark

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Shinman from Commonwealth, give an overview of the intertie.

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This is the information that

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was presented as well as the K-Petersburg Intertie Steering Committee meeting in K-K-K-A

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week or so ago. I believe, isn't that correct? Yes. My name is Mark Shinman. I'm with Commonwealth

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both associates, and I'm representing SEPA.

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I'm their project manager for the cake Petersburg Intertie.

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I want to just take a few minutes to talk

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about the project itself.

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Give you a little bit of information about it

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and kind of talk you through it.

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There should be handouts available

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with copies of these slides, I think around the tables,

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so there should be available for everybody.

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The, there is a definite need for the Intertie.

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Okay, cake is an isolated electric system.

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They're completely, their only source of electricity is diesel power.

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They have no hydro.

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They're a small entity, I think their population's about 550 people.

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But with just diesel for their source of power, their electric rates are really high.

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They're about 60 cents a kilowatt hour.

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It just really hurts their economy.

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We had a meeting there a week ago that the mayor mentioned when we walked into town

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We walked into the meeting place and it was a huge gymnasium and there's one light on and the rest of the lights

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They didn't turn on because of the cost of electricity and we were early enough. We were helping them set up chairs and things

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We were going into this room and all the tables all the chairs were in this room

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And I had to use my cell phone to be able to see but apparently the people in cake are used to going around in the dark

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But and it's all because of the price of electricity they really need some low-cost power

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We have about five million dollars of funding available for the inner tie. That's enough money to get it designed to get it construction ready

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It is not enough money to build it. This money is from two grants that came from A.E.A

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So we do have enough money to get it construction ready and we're working in that direction

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We've made a lot of progress.

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There's been an MOU signed by SEPA, AEA, and IPEC,

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which is the local utility in cake.

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It basically provides that SEPA will agree to own the inner tie.

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They'll own it, they'll build it, and they'll operate it.

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Provided that there's enough funding available to get the work done.

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There's an MOU between Metle Katlin cake that has to do with hydro power,

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which will be part of the source of low cost power for cake.

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There's been a project management office established that's us to coordinate all the aspects and get it moving.

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The environmental impact statement is underway, Tetra Tech is the consultant doing that, and D-Hiddle is a consulting engineering firm. They basically have done a feasibility study, and they're in the process of updating that. So the project's moving along. The project itself, we're looking at single pole overhead wood pole construction, similar to the picture there. It'll either be 69,000 volts or 138,000 volts. We'll make that decision down.

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on the road a little bit.

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We plan to follow existing forest service roads where possible.

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There will also be a fiber optic cable installed on these poles,

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so that will enhance.

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That will be used to help operate the transmission line,

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and it will also enhance the communication sum for cake.

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We anticipate a two to three year construction process.

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The EIS is underway.

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There were public scoping meetings in April and May of 2010.

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Again, we completed the environmental field work in the fall of 2010 in the summer of

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2011, and we submitted draft resource reports to the Forest Service in May and June of 2012.

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There are a lot of resource reports covering a lot of subjects, wildlife, aquatics, botany,

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wetlands, et cetera, et cetera.

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The Forest Service reviewed those reports and provided its comments, and we've worked with

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the Forest Service and dealt with their comments.

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We've continued to move forward.

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We've drafted chapters one and two of the draft EIS.

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That's the purpose and need and the alternatives.

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We submitted those to the Forest Service and we got some comments back.

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Their comments were really in four areas.

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They said regarding Petersburg Creek, they suggested we look at other alternatives.

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We've had a lot of input since I've been on the project. We've had a lot of input from the community about Petersburg Creek

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Seep has had a lot of input and I think the burls been involved in that so we have looked at other alternatives

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For roadless areas inventory roadless areas. We're originally planning to build rough pioneer roads

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The forest service has taken a look at that. They've said no. We have to we can't do that

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we have to use what they call shovel trails, so that means we have to use more

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helicopters for the construction, so we're moving ahead with that as an

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assumption. The Forest Service also, I think we had like eight alternatives, the

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Forest Service said to help the analysis, we need to narrow that down, fewer

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options, so we've done that, and they asked us to define a proposed action. That

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doesn't mean that's going to be the solution, but they want to propose action so

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they compare that against the other alternatives so we have defined a proposed action.

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The route alternatives, I think you're all fairly familiar with, one of the route alternatives

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we call the center south route, it's here's Petersburg, here's cake up in here, one of the

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alternatives is the center south, it goes across, it goes across Rangel Nero's Duncan Canal

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and then on up the cake, and that's one of our options.

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We've also have the northern route which leaves Petersburg and goes up north on Guperneth Island and then over to cake.

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And that's in a sense is another option.

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But the northern route has got two sub-options, you might want to call it.

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One option is when we've been looking at all along, here's Petersburg, here's the airport.

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We tap into the substation in Petersburg, which is down in here,

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come south across the southern end of the airport, and go over to the park here,

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and then lay a submarine cable up the prowlery point.

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That's one option that we're still considering, that's been an option all along.

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We've developed a new option, a new option that we've called our proposed action.

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We like this option the best.

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at this point in time. And this option would be to put in, comes out to the south end of the airport

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like we planned on the submarine route, and then put in an underground line in red. It would be an

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underground 69,000 volt line or 138,000 whatever we decide to do. It would be an underground line along

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Sandy Beach Boulevard there, and we would underground the existing wires that are already on that road. So

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So everything along there would be underground.

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We'd go up to Outlook Park, which is about here, and then we would use technology they

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called directional bore.

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It's basically a big machine that would bore under wrangle narrows, and as they board

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it under, board under there, we'd put in a 10 or 12-inch conduit, something size big enough.

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For the transmission line, for the fiber optics, and also for some distribution, should we, somebody want electricity on that side. So that's our, our new option. That's our preferred option. We've dropped the option. We were looking at an option crossing Petersburg Creek and going through Kupernoff or behind Kupernoff. We've dropped that. That's not being considered at all now. So basically is we're moving forward with the EIS. We have four alternatives.

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Alternative 1 is no action.

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Alternative 2 is the northern route with directional bore.

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That's our proposed action.

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Alternative 3 is the northern route with a submarine cable.

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Alternative 4 is the center south route.

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So those are the four alternatives that we're looking at as the EIS moves forward.

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Here's some mileage links for the different options.

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It tells you how long they are, how long some of the water crossings are that you read

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that at your leisure.

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And we're in the process of updating our construction costs too.

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Our costs were last estimated in 2010, they were done in 2010 dollars.

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And the project at the earliest would be built in 2015-16.

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So we're redoing the cost estimates assuming that many years of inflation.

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The cost estimates didn't include as much helicopter work as we have to do now with the shovel trails.

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So the cost estimates are going to go up because of the shovel trails.

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We've also contacted a lot of the vendors.

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And vendors have told us that the inflation rate for construction seems to be higher than anything else.

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but it's actually running four to five percent a year, so we've built that into the cost

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estimates.

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And the price of the submarine cable for that option has gone up too.

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We've contacted some of the submarine cable manufacturers, so we've taken a look at all

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of this and we've redone the cost estimates.

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These are the current estimates, alternative two, which is our proposed action.

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It's about $66 million.

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And so this is how much money we need to move ahead.

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this assumes it's already designed. The 5 million for design purposes isn't

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included in this. And these numbers are moving a little bit too. When we were in

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cake last week, it dawned on me that the substations five miles out of town and

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nobody, it didn't seem like anybody planned a way to get the power from the

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substation into town. So we had a gap there. So I talked to IPEC, the local

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electric utility and they said they didn't have any money to do it so we need to

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include that as a part of our project so we're looking right now at moving the

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substation closer to town so these numbers will go up I did some back of the

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envelope calculations maybe three million dollars. The next steps we're moving

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forward on the EIS that chapters one and two have been redrafted taking in the

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the last round of Forest Service comments.

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We've submitted them to the Forest Service

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for additional comments for chapters one and two.

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We're in the process of drafting chapters three and four,

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which will be the complete EIS.

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If the schedule holds, and I'm not sure it's going to,

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because of review processes, but the original plan

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if the schedule holds is we'd have the draft EIS

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available for public review in October this year.

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We hold public meetings in November of this year.

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We're planning to have a meeting here in Petersburg, and a meeting in CAKE, the two ends of the inner tie.

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And then the final EIS would be published in May of next year.

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As already has been talked about, we think the inner ties are a separate project.

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And I think Jason talked about a lot of this already, they can proceed independently of one another.

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They have specific, each has their own specific purpose and needs, the two projects,

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you know, the road, the cake access project, the inner tie project, or considering different alternatives.

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We have different time schedules, so we definitely agree they should be separate projects.

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So, any questions?

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question, because I have heard over and over again that, and it may be incorrect.

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So I'm asking you to state it now, that the power line project cannot go forward,

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unless the road project also goes forward.

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These are the costs assuming the road does not go forward.

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Okay.

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The project, the inner tie, can be built without the road, and these are the costs without

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the road.

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But it will affect the maintenance costs down the line.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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If the road were to go forward on the northern route, and our EIS process chose the northern route,

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it would bring these costs down. And it would lower our maintenance costs. But we're doing

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our EIS and the costs, assuming there's no road.

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Any other questions? The alternative for

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South Central Route is cheaper, but you don't prefer that?

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We don't. And maybe we're betting

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on the come, we're thinking that the road will come, but if the road doesn't come along,

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we may end up going that route, and that's why it's still part of the EIS and still being

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considered.

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Okay.

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And is there an alternative, the self-central route, is that in any way, go across Peter's

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Blue Creek?

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No.

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No.

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That's what I thought.

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You know, cross-rangles narrows to the south-east, and it shows it's south of the Petersburg

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sub-station quite a ways where it will tap into the existing transmission line there,

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then cross-rangle narrow, and then we'll have to cross pumpkin canal, and both of those

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will be underwater cross.

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Okay.

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That was okay.

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Thank you.

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We haven't decided if there are going to be submarine cable or a directional bore, but we'll

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have to get underneath there somehow.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for coming and talking to us about this and it does make a lot clearer.

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I do have a lot of questions and not all of them go to you.

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The road just seems like an impossibility because of the cost and we don't have anyone paying for the ferry service to get from here to the road.

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And I really appreciate Senator Studman who got us

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a 40 million for the road because I know the transportation,

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state transportation wants to go.

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Small fairies road, small fairies road,

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just to connect all southeast rather than having

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these big guys going around.

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So I know he was looking out for us doing that.

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But when with the road it keeps going up in cost,

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the northern route and I know it will help you out who we don't have a ferry to get to the road

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and that's in no one's budget. So it makes that kind of hard. The other thing we don't have

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is power to send a cake. So if you build this line at 60 billion plus there is any surplus power

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to send to them and your study have you found a way to get surplus power to send a cake and I know

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I don't know where I'll come from.

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There's several options and several things going on.

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MetlecatLA is moving forward with a couple of small hydro projects.

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There's already an MOU's been signed between MetlecatLA and CAKE

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that they'll work together and try and take advantage of that power.

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Should MetlecatLA be able to develop it?

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So that's one option for power.

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CEPA is looking at a couple different things too.

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They're looking at raising the Swan Lake Reservoir, they're trying to move ahead with

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that and it's ongoing and they also, and I can't remember all the right words, but

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they have gone out and advertised and asked people to bring projects to them.

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They've made a request for offers and they've sort of sent out to the world.

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you know, what can you develop? We want to buy more power. So there's a couple options in there

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that hopefully will bring more power, you know, so it's available for cake. Right now,

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there is a little bit of surplus at certain times of the year and that surplus would definitely help

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cake and turning off those diesel generators part of the time. And that's the thing because we're

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looking at between year cost, you know, depending which way you go, you know, 70 million

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plus 60 plus million for the road, plus probably another 30 million for the very terminals

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that they ever get built from one side to there.

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You know, we're easily talking 200 million to, and well, it's not the sole purpose, but

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to send power to cake.

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As your company looked at any other options that might be less than 200 million to get power

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to them.

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I'm involved in it, it's just the inner tie.

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Okay, and I don't know the cost of the road.

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We're just involved in the inner tie

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and Cephas just involved in the inner tie.

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Do you know if anyone's looking at that

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to get more inexpensive power faster to cake?

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I actually have in my hand a newsletter

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that is a Department of Energy newsletter

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and there are some planning processes in place to look at different sources of power.

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Above and beyond this power line. They're not actually at a design phase yet, but they are looking at various options. So to answer your question, yes. There are. That triggered something in my mind. Cake itself is looking at some small hydro generation. And that's a possibility. There's some lakes up behind cake, and that's a possibility. They've talked about solar. And you know, so there's lots of options. And it might not be just one thing.

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that solves the problem. It might be a little bit of hydro over the inner tie. It might

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be more efficient diesel generators or it might be, you know, cake installings to some

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small hydro. Thank you. Any more questions? Andy, would you like to?

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Could you answer any of Mr. Haverlick's questions on the road? Then we'll, we have some more

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Well, to take your questions answered.

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My main concern was, you know, the 60 million per the road is just an initial cost.

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You know, is this gentleman just managing construction costs going up 45% a year?

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So I know we're looking more than that.

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And yeah, I know the state's plan is road ferry road ferry.

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So you're really pushing that, but one, can we afford it, two, we know we can't maintain

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it in the winter because we can't take care of our present roads and we have a great crew here,

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but still you just don't have the money in three. Would you build a road if you don't have the

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money to build the fairies to get us to the road? And that should be what, about 30 mil?

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Well, first of all, as far as the overall project goes, overall project obviously will include

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a small ferry and two ferry terminals.

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Think in terms of catch can airport ferry type, only smaller ferry.

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As far as cost estimates go, we don't have any current cost estimates at the moment.

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We've, you know, we've, we've cost the things out in the past, but when it comes to cost estimates,

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that's an exercise that we will be going through after we get through the

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purpose and need and alternatives assessment process. So we're just FHWA is

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just initiating the EIS process. We're just in the beginning of scoping

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and purpose and need statement formulation and yet to come is the evaluation

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process of alternatives and costing them out, and I believe a couple two, three months possibly as much as four months, we will be back with that kind of information.

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So it's just a little premature to sort of out numbers because at this point it would be guesstimates.

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You

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think you can get the money to do this at this point? Yes, we do. Otherwise, we would

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agree. Yes. Okay. Yes. And as far as I might address, as far as maintenance goes,

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we don't see, we wouldn't be going forward with any proposal if we didn't think we could

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maintain it year round. We have, our department has vast experience in maintaining roads throughout

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the state from the Proto Bay South and in Southeast probably our most challenging road

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is the Klondike Highway. So I think we're in a good position to come up with some very good

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realistic estimates but we're not there we haven't had the time to do that

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yet we intend to and hopefully in the next three to four months we'll have

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those answers for you as far as I know you're that flush if I may the state

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draft transportation plan actually paints quite a different picture about your

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deferred maintenance backlog and your ability to attract federal money. And I'm

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curious to know how you think this road would rank on a priority list for funding

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for state and federal money, given that you've already identified you have a

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shortfall. And it's right on the web.

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Oh, that's true.

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Okay. Any other?

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Question you have a response? As far as funding goes.

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At this point, you know, that's the feature we'll tell, we anticipate that funding will become tighter. At this point, at least in Southeast Alaska, our priorities are such that we feel that we can fit this point.

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project end. Any

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more questions Mr. Hughes?

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Okay thank you. Thanks everybody for coming.

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Mr. Trafalis, do you have anything to add to this? Are you still with us?

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I'd just like to add to

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our staff for the need and any other agencies and public

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appreciate that.

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Okay thanks everybody for coming and giving this presentation and I'm sure

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will be involved in the whole process so okay

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let's take a five minute break and then

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I'm going to work from back up this stuff here in Mr. Shenman.

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Okay, we'll call the meeting back to order. Are you still with us, Kurt?

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Mr. Wal-Hunter?

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Oh, okay, I didn't mean to wake you up. Okay. Okay, we're item four on agenda approval of the minutes. There are no approval of the minutes. Yeah, amendment to the night's meeting. Is there any amendments to the night's meeting agenda?

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Could I get under a simply discussion item?

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All right. All right. We'll do that.

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So we need approval of tonight's agenda, there's no more amendments to entertain a motion for that.

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Second.

443
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Okay, it's been moved by Member Loginakis, seconded by Member Flint, all those in favor of approving tonight's agenda.

444
00:42:30,070 --> 00:42:30,370
Say aye.

445
00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:31,170
Aye.

446
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:32,030
Okay.

447
00:42:32,590 --> 00:42:36,090
Now we're on to public hearings and bitter wars. We have two public hearings tonight.

448
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:39,730
The first one is on ordinance 2013-11.

449
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:44,590
and ordinance providing for chapter 3.18 of the municipal code entitled finance

450
00:42:44,590 --> 00:42:49,710
department, updating current language to reflect rural incorporation and providing for

451
00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:55,450
the disillusion of the finance committee for the city of Petersburg. Anybody in the audience

452
00:42:55,450 --> 00:42:56,770
want to comment on this?

453
00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:05,910
Public hearing is closed and we're on to item B and another public hearing

454
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:13,250
on ordinance 2013-12 and ordinance providing for chapter 4.35 of the municipal code entitled

455
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:18,650
Property Development Fund, updating current language to reflect borough incorporation

456
00:43:18,650 --> 00:43:23,990
and designating that funds from the sale or acquisition of state entitlement lands to

457
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:31,230
be deposited into or to disperse from the Property Development Fund. Anybody in the audience

458
00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:38,790
have a comment on this? Okay, seeing none. Public hearing is closed. Is there any

459
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:41,790
visitors views related to tonight's agenda?

460
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:48,410
Mr. Kaye, I'm Daryl. You want to come up and...

461
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:52,430
Mr. Mayor, I'm just here to answer any questions with the Kellop one on the phone.

462
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:56,310
Okay. Okay, so we'll note that.

463
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:56,830
Thank you.

464
00:43:57,830 --> 00:44:00,050
Mr. Baby, would you like to comment on your?

465
00:44:02,110 --> 00:44:03,150
Good night, thanks.

466
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:12,620
Thank you, my name is David BB and City Councilman and would like to respond to some of the

467
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:17,420
issues and concerns that were raised by tonight's presentation.

468
00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:26,600
This is sort of off the top of my head, so bear with me as I try and recall a fairly extensive

469
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:32,680
of very useful and productive and appreciated presentation.

470
00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:43,870
I would have to call into question if Commonwealth associates is regarding themselves as independent

471
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:56,430
and yet counting on, I think the term was betting on the Northern Route road that it does

472
00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:58,430
is calling the question, the...

473
00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:03,220
The independence of this EIS.

474
00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:10,040
That's perhaps one of the most striking aspects of the presentation

475
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:23,320
that left out at me tonight, as well as the fact that prior descriptions of this dual

476
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:40,740
current EIS process as being coordinated. And not to contradict Mr. Shinman, but I have

477
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:51,920
an opposite anecdotal experience as a commercial fisherman who sees the city lights of cake from

478
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:58,240
many, many miles away and it's always occurred to me that given the size of the

479
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:04,940
community at night that they can somehow afford to leave those lights burning

480
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:13,660
when I mean we know what the street looks like here at night in the wee hours of

481
00:46:13,660 --> 00:46:21,360
the morning and how those lights can be justified burning. So I wonder about

482
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:41,420
Whether or not the proper lighting for this out of town visitor is somehow connected with a very different perception coming from a commercial fisherman who sees lights burning when they probably aren't necessary.

483
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:53,690
And I am also very delighted to see that the northern route of the Intertai is going to be

484
00:46:57,090 --> 00:47:06,710
taking an underwater route. And however, as I have mentioned before, it still is sort of being

485
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:14,110
bet upon the existence of the road which sets into motion a whole other set of circumstances

486
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:23,950
that are clearly as, as Burrow remember, Lockerdock has pointed out, inconsistent with the

487
00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:32,870
presentations, conclusions of an annual road maintenance schedule, you know, for a community

488
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:42,350
of 550 by the community of 3,000, it's counterintuitive and at the minimum breeds cognitive

489
00:47:42,350 --> 00:47:43,150
dissonance.

490
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:55,580
And lastly, I wonder if there will be alternatives that truly treat the

491
00:47:55,580 --> 00:48:03,980
cake inner tie as as the possibility of having an option for alternative energy.

492
00:48:05,060 --> 00:48:11,860
Mr. Seaman didn't point out that there are also cake title.

493
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:23,420
I should say wind power proposals being studied and see Alaska incorporated has also completed

494
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:31,000
a study of one of the River Cathedral Falls, and so there's, you know, a great deal of

495
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:38,860
opportunities that also include conversion of diesel-generated electrical power to natural

496
00:48:38,860 --> 00:48:45,940
gas, which is what British Columbia has pulled off already for the ferry system, et cetera.

497
00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:52,800
So this is, you know, just a minor snapshot of some of the concerns that were raised by

498
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,840
tonight's presentation and I thank you for this opportunity to speak.

499
00:48:56,460 --> 00:48:57,120
Any questions?

500
00:48:57,260 --> 00:48:58,840
Thank you. Any questions of Mr. Beebe?

501
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:00,920
Okay, thanks Dave.

502
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,620
Okay, Karen, if you have a please step to the microphone and state your name please.

503
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:15,400
My name is Karen McCullough and I just wanted to thank the borough assembly members and also

504
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,860
Barry Bracken for all the work that you've done on the pesticide issue and that you're continuing

505
00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:21,320
to do.

506
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:37,320
This is the 20th, August 13th was the 20th year anniversary of the death of my husband at that time, Gary McCullough, who was an agent orange veteran, and I'm now a grandmother, and he's very cute.

507
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:46,220
And it's really good to know that maybe we don't have to make some of the same mistakes all over again.

508
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,080
So thank you.

509
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:54,940
Thanks. Okay, any more visitors, views related to the agenda this evening? Okay,

510
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,920
seeing none, any visitors, views unrelated to the agenda. Okay.

511
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:24,740
We've seen none of those. We'll move on to board commission and committee reports. There's none. No consent agenda, no reports of other officers and brings us to the mayor's report. And we're seeking letters of interest to fill a vacancy. The borough is seeking a letter of interest from interested residents to fill a vacancy on the hospital board. The pointee to the vacancy will serve until October 2014.

512
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,940
We got an email from Bob King.

513
00:50:29,940 --> 00:50:35,640
legislative aid from Senator Begich in regards to the Annacapa being moved from Peter Spurg.

514
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:44,180
If they were going to build 154 foot cutters, it doesn't sound like the funding's available.

515
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:50,580
It sounds like the Annacapa is going to be here as far as he knew for this time indefinitely,

516
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:59,700
so that's good in my mind. And then we have an attorney's opinion on the uncompensated assistance

517
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:03,420
from a burrow assembly member, maternity Brennan,

518
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,460
as his opinion is there's nothing inappropriate

519
00:51:06,460 --> 00:51:09,340
in the burrow assembly delegating one of its members,

520
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,720
a particular task or task within the member's skills

521
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:17,040
along as final decisions are reserved to the assembly.

522
00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:20,840
There's also nothing in the Alaska rules

523
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,940
of professional conduct that prohibits assembly member hold

524
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:28,520
from providing legal assistance to the burrow.

525
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:34,080
There was one concern about insurance coverage.

526
00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:41,600
That's the only thing that I saw that was sparking the concern for me.

527
00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:49,000
But I think we should at this point just make a decision since we're talking about it,

528
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,860
whether they simply would like Mr. Hogue to represent us in these issues.

529
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,100
Is that Mr. Mayor?

530
00:51:57,100 --> 00:52:00,420
Yes, I would move that Mr. Hoek represents on these issues.

531
00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:02,100
Is there a second?

532
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:03,120
Second.

533
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:16,000
It's been moved by Mr. Havelich, seconded by a member of Flint, to let Mr. Hoek continue representing the bill without compensation, I guess you put in there for,

534
00:52:18,540 --> 00:52:26,800
I know the, I don't know how it would do us to that, I guess, to help on grievances in the discussion.

535
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,020
Mr. Mayor, I just wondered do you have that insurance that you're talking about?

536
00:52:32,340 --> 00:52:35,580
No, the Arizona missions.

537
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:41,900
No, because when I was, most of my practice in Oregon, we had mandatory insurance for

538
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:42,840
the Oregon State Bar.

539
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:45,940
Alaska does not have mandatory insurance.

540
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:53,400
80% plus of my work is for the Alaska Network on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault.

541
00:52:53,400 --> 00:53:01,400
they provide insurance for all of those cases. I do very, very little besides that. I have just for

542
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:09,120
giggles fired off to internet applications from out practice insurance. When I went to the

543
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,840
Alaska Family Law Section meeting in April, the one agent that showed up said we don't

544
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,860
to ensure part-time lawyers.

545
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:31,040
The humor is that the applications I sent off today, the deductible that I would assume

546
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:37,540
on any malpractice insurance would be far greater than the financial risk to the borough

547
00:53:37,540 --> 00:53:38,920
of any case I would handle.

548
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:44,700
So in essence, I would be under any circumstance of self-insuring in my malpractice insurance.

549
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:48,620
And Kathy, you have a comment?

550
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,100
I think because he isn't elected official, he's going to be covered under the city's

551
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:59,720
liability, just like any of your decisions, because he's working on behalf of the body.

552
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:02,120
Remember Lagerdakis?

553
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:10,600
Although he wouldn't be working as an elected official in that capacity, he'd be working as no.

554
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,780
And so I don't know that that would be true.

555
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:28,620
Are we talking, though, for the purpose of this vote, just for the grievances process and not beyond that, that we would discuss any further representation for the burrow at a separate time?

556
00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:35,640
Well, I had that word. I guess that wasn't in Mr. Haverlick's motion.

557
00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:41,770
I'm in support

558
00:54:41,770 --> 00:54:46,810
of Mr. Hoag representing us for the labor negotiations that he did with IBW. I know there's

559
00:54:46,810 --> 00:54:51,990
some concern from some of the employees from the borough, but I think he's doing a good

560
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:57,790
job. I know it's saving us a lot of money, and if he's more or less appointed to do this

561
00:54:57,790 --> 00:54:59,970
by the assembly, I would think.

562
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:29,980
I think he would be covered by, he's taking an action that the assembly asked him to do, and I would think he would be covered by the insurance. Do you see it that way? Kathy, you know more about it than me. I knew on that, because doing the work you're asking him to do, and the manager is asking to do it. City, it's probably related. It's not something up there that we're going to offer any kind of council. Well, if I can add for humor on labor relations issues, which would be both grievance and negotiations, the humor is, it's almost impossible for a lawyer.

563
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:36,000
to commit legal malpractice to the only way you could, I've never heard of a legal

564
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,760
malpractice case in a labor issue except for blowing a deadline.

565
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:49,000
And since Steve and Kathy are responsible for the deadlines, I simply don't see it as

566
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:49,300
an issue.

567
00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:51,280
Members, ground.

568
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:56,880
It seems to me that if the city's insurance would cover any volunteer who was doing legal

569
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:05,260
work for us, whether they were an assembly member or not, or if it would cover somebody

570
00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:09,960
who was not an assembly member, then it surely would cover somebody who was volunteering

571
00:56:10,610 --> 00:56:12,960
who also happened to be an assembly member.

572
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:18,640
I might add, I volunteered a number of years ago with a prior city manager to when things

573
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:24,260
were going particularly ugly to provide assistance and it was clear to me that he was uninterested

574
00:56:24,260 --> 00:56:27,240
that didn't be, frankly, I don't think he understood labor relations.

575
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:29,980
Mr. Mayor.

576
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:30,560
Yes.

577
00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:39,580
The main purpose besides asking John to do this, which I really respect him taking the

578
00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:47,340
time to do it, was that on covering in the insurance, if we voted through a motion that as

579
00:56:47,340 --> 00:56:52,420
It's a council to ask him to do this, that it seems like we would be covered.

580
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,840
That makes sense to me.

581
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,720
Any more discussion on this issue?

582
00:57:00,980 --> 00:57:01,700
Remember to log about this?

583
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,140
I'm just trying to clarify exactly what we're voting on.

584
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:09,340
Are we only voting on him continuing on the work that he has already done to cover the

585
00:57:09,340 --> 00:57:10,020
grievance action?

586
00:57:10,340 --> 00:57:15,420
Or are we saying in perpetuity he will work without any more discussion with the assembly,

587
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:18,280
he would represent the borough.

588
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,820
John, are you volunteering in perpetuity?

589
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:29,200
As long as I'm comfortable with the direction of the burrow, I will do the labor relations

590
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,000
upon requests.

591
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,660
Well, it seems to be like just voting on this particular situation.

592
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:41,820
The way we can bring it, obviously it's up to the manager, but labor relations are with

593
00:57:41,820 --> 00:57:46,820
PMAA, you're going to realistically start after the first of the year with a sophisticated

594
00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:52,520
wage and benefit survey to prepare and in initial discussions with PMEA they're

595
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:59,520
going to be invited to give us input on benchmark classifications for which

596
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:05,560
to do the survey on. I mean this is an essence of dance has been ongoing for

597
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,860
some time. And I'm not debating that I'm just trying to clarify what the motion is.

598
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:17,300
Well, maybe if I could restate it, that move to request the Councilor Hogan's

599
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:20,540
assistance with labor relations and that would include the grievances.

600
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:23,740
Does the second agree to that?

601
00:58:23,940 --> 00:58:24,140
Sure.

602
00:58:24,660 --> 00:58:24,840
Okay.

603
00:58:26,220 --> 00:58:28,880
So, does that clarify what we're voting on?

604
00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:29,740
I don't know.

605
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:29,920
I guess.

606
00:58:30,140 --> 00:58:30,340
Correct.

607
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,120
Are you hearing all of this?

608
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:35,630
Okay.

609
00:58:36,010 --> 00:58:36,350
All right.

610
00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:38,070
All right, so any more discussion?

611
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:40,530
Will the clerk call the roll?

612
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:45,540
John Hall of Rock.

613
00:58:47,970 --> 00:58:48,310
Yes.

614
00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:50,510
How do you get first?

615
00:58:52,030 --> 00:58:52,330
Kurt?

616
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:56,120
Kurt?

617
00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:01,010
You can hear you now.

618
00:59:01,590 --> 00:59:01,830
Cindy?

619
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:03,210
No.

620
00:59:04,510 --> 00:59:05,550
John Henrylett?

621
00:59:05,710 --> 00:59:05,890
Yes.

622
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:07,430
Mark Johnson?

623
00:59:07,770 --> 00:59:07,990
Yes.

624
00:59:08,490 --> 00:59:08,870
Sue?

625
00:59:09,390 --> 00:59:09,610
Yes.

626
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:10,650
And Nancy?

627
00:59:10,930 --> 00:59:11,130
Yes.

628
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:14,070
Okay, it passes 6 to 1.

629
00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:17,550
Okay, that, where are we now?

630
00:59:17,690 --> 00:59:19,570
We're on the item D at the Mayor's Report.

631
00:59:20,430 --> 00:59:24,170
Mayor's letter to James Balciguer, National Mean Fisheries Service.

632
00:59:24,430 --> 00:59:27,310
Mayor Jensen's August 9th letter is in the agenda here.

633
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:28,690
I won't go bother reading it.

634
00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:31,650
Expressions extreme disappointment.

635
00:59:31,810 --> 00:59:35,070
National Mean Fisheries Service unrolliness to take an active role

636
00:59:35,070 --> 00:59:38,150
in removing a very dangerous stellar sea line from our harbors.

637
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:43,470
The borough will continue to monitor the situation, but encourage his residents and visitors

638
00:59:43,470 --> 00:59:50,030
to contact Mr. Balsinger's office in Juneau to express their concerns, or for issues related

639
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:54,370
to property damage or injury due to the animal, and that would also add to that.

640
00:59:54,370 --> 00:59:59,870
But if anybody sees any activity in the heart with it, seems dangerous.

641
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,160
Distinguished by the sea lions, if they could contact the harbor master, so she could document the incidences, then we could pass them along, not only to Mr. Ball Singer, but his assistant has called us, um,

642
01:00:30,580 --> 01:00:36,200
Try to pick a date for that Mr. Mayor I could comment for the harbor master that I would

643
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,600
not have wanted to be putting an airplane on the float today the sea lions were having

644
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,840
a good time fighting with each other on the end of the airplane float.

645
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:50,220
Well that's one to document them yeah okay um the night of the end of the mayor's report

646
01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:54,740
a work session reminder the hospital bill envelope assembly will conduct a joint work session

647
01:00:54,740 --> 01:00:59,980
on August 22nd at 9 a.m. in the assembly chambers and work session will focus on the

648
01:00:59,980 --> 01:01:05,200
on finances of the hospital and how borough formation may affect hospital funding and governance.

649
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,280
The public is invited to attend.

650
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:13,880
Southeast Conference will be held in Sitka, September 17th through the 19th.

651
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:18,620
Similar members are asked to register and make their own reservations if they plan to attend

652
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:19,520
this event.

653
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,440
I won't be able to attend, but it sounds like a number of occupants is going to have to go.

654
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:24,600
Is there anybody else?

655
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:25,700
Let me go to Sitka.

656
01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:29,260
I know we're on to the managers report.

657
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:30,860
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

658
01:01:31,780 --> 01:01:35,540
The line crew has been working with ADOT clearing the right

659
01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:39,740
away along the highway between three and seven miles.

660
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,000
Let's see if the guys out.

661
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,860
New helicopter pad at the crystal lake hatchery is complete

662
01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:48,380
and done thanks to a lot of folks who have helped work on that.

663
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,500
We're still monitoring the Rasmus Inge Bridge replacing

664
01:01:53,500 --> 01:02:01,500
plants as needed. Chris is working on finalizing the material rest that's going to include the

665
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:09,220
decking bore rails, hand rails and some stringers based on what we find when we get underneath

666
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:17,600
it. And then ADOT did a kind of a quick pass through and we may have some pile caps and

667
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:24,000
pylings that are also not good so we'll see it's going to be a work in progress.

668
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:32,330
Question caller working with Dow HKM on plans for the pump station one forced main project.

669
01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:39,110
Plans will be submitted to DOT for incorporation in the South Nordic repaving project which is

670
01:02:39,110 --> 01:02:40,570
scheduled for next year.

671
01:02:42,810 --> 01:02:49,050
A ADC grant application has been submitted to hopefully get funded it will fund 70 percent

672
01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:52,730
of that, otherwise we're looking at probably using our long funds for that.

673
01:02:55,310 --> 01:02:59,210
We're just kind of a heads up having a little bit of a problem with the recycling drop-off

674
01:02:59,210 --> 01:03:00,870
behind the community cold storage.

675
01:03:01,930 --> 01:03:04,350
Many, most people use it correctly.

676
01:03:04,810 --> 01:03:08,390
We've had some people who have chosen to just dump stuff,

677
01:03:10,570 --> 01:03:11,930
which makes it really difficult

678
01:03:12,530 --> 01:03:14,870
when garbage is dropped into the recycle.

679
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:18,910
Our guys have to manually either try to sort it or call it all garbage.

680
01:03:18,910 --> 01:03:24,690
So if we can't get that figured out, we'll probably have to remove those recycling from that location

681
01:03:24,690 --> 01:03:27,590
to somewhere else that's better supervised.

682
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:31,990
Scrapper, no removal contractor.

683
01:03:33,050 --> 01:03:37,670
I think I said he's been delayed, but we just think heard he's going to be in town this week.

684
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:41,610
Calls nodding, so I'm thinking that's good news.

685
01:03:42,790 --> 01:03:45,910
So we're closer to meeting our deadlines there.

686
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:50,730
We're not sure how fast we'll be able to get start working, but we know he's contacted

687
01:03:50,730 --> 01:03:56,870
us. He's going to be here. Just as a heads up for the community during the time frame

688
01:03:56,870 --> 01:04:02,930
that they're working up there, and the dreads while hauling is taking place, there'll

689
01:04:02,930 --> 01:04:08,790
be no salvaging allowed in the landfill. We don't want extra people up there. Well, we've got

690
01:04:08,790 --> 01:04:14,730
basically 4,000 loads of dreads material going back and forth, heavy equipment spreading it

691
01:04:14,730 --> 01:04:18,770
as well as the hauling off of the metal prior to that.

692
01:04:18,990 --> 01:04:22,330
So salvaging will be stopped during that period.

693
01:04:23,890 --> 01:04:27,650
Gun range improvements project is the most part complete.

694
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:32,650
We've got some punch list items and we've got a hydro seed, the pistol range berm.

695
01:04:33,710 --> 01:04:35,630
And we've got a great job on that.

696
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:41,190
The riding gun club is working on finding a caretaker for the facility to keep an eye on

697
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:41,470
it.

698
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:47,890
Alaskan Industries has completed the gym floor and finished the last coat

699
01:04:48,690 --> 01:04:55,130
Sunday, so we're just waiting for it to cure. And Daniel let us know when we can

700
01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:56,150
start using it again.

701
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:59,590
Library of shelving material

702
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:26,880
Again, an update from what's in my report. We got to notice today that the material has been completed and shipped. Now, I can tell you that I don't trust it. Yeah. Well, what I didn't trust about is that they finished it. It was going to be picked up today from their factory, which is on the East Coast, and they thought it would be in Petersburg this week. So that's my that's my hesitation.

703
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:35,000
So it's from your Nigerian friend, but it is at least leaving their factory headed

704
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,540
this direction which is, again, that's goodness.

705
01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:47,320
The Petersburg Library Art Committee has selected the artist for the new library, 20 proposals

706
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:52,960
received from artists as far as way as Washington State, and the selection process was a bit

707
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,860
of a challenge due to a large number of very, very good outstanding proposals.

708
01:05:56,860 --> 01:06:02,360
Public Art in the new library is funded by local donors and pieces will be installed

709
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,860
to the fallen winter as the artists complete their work.

710
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:10,680
The local committee members selected nine local artists for the awards.

711
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:18,000
They are Beth Floor, Paul A. Keneman, Joe Vignicki, Susan Christensen, Russ Nanook, the third

712
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,120
Doris Olsen, Paulie Lee, Debbie McMahon, and Pierre Riley.

713
01:06:22,780 --> 01:06:24,360
So congratulations to all of them.

714
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,680
Congratulations to Officer Ben King, he has successfully completed his field training.

715
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,960
So he is on his own, which I have to make Kelly's job a little easier.

716
01:06:36,140 --> 01:06:43,200
MRV, the Architectural firm that the Assembly awarded the structural analysis on a couple

717
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:54,340
of buildings, they've received the agreement, they've actually got the work done, and they

718
01:06:54,340 --> 01:07:10,660
That kind of the first stage of evaluation, it appears that the Read Marine Warehouse is not a viable candidate because of the modern standards basically the building would have to be totally rebuilt.

719
01:07:10,660 --> 01:07:18,980
on the other hand this building may still be on the table. They believe it's

720
01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:24,240
possible if we can find a way to fit it that this building could be retrofitted to work.

721
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:28,840
Again, that's just on a conversation on the telephone. I do not have the report in front of me

722
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:37,180
and I would like to see it before I get too excited but it's on its way. P&D, Westman,

723
01:07:37,180 --> 01:07:41,420
Dockham Bridge, Carl and Glo met with the Corps of Engineers in a pre-construction teleconference

724
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:44,160
last week on the North Harbor.

725
01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:47,780
Everything seems to be coming together.

726
01:07:47,940 --> 01:07:51,120
The Dredge contractor think Glo has been in contact with?

727
01:07:51,580 --> 01:07:53,180
Contractor has left Seattle.

728
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:54,400
There we go.

729
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,760
Kind of like a wide bridge over on the way.

730
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,000
Middle and South Harbor continue to be really full.

731
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:13,340
and I just, you know, I just stopped in a couple times. I encourage people not to get in their way

732
01:08:13,340 --> 01:08:18,640
but to try to watch with the harbor folks in Glow have been doing to keep people happy

733
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:24,140
moving them away. I've not heard a single complaint. They may be complaining to Glow but they're not

734
01:08:24,140 --> 01:08:31,700
talking to me. We are moving people around and we're making it work and that is a really large job.

735
01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:37,900
contractor added a section of skiff flow to the south harbor that we're using as

736
01:08:37,900 --> 01:08:44,240
part of overflow. So we're somehow whether they're making it work. So congratulations to them.

737
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:53,720
Lauren Markener and Brian and Julian Currie all spent some time with Jay Stern.

738
01:08:53,920 --> 01:09:00,380
He is Senator Murkowski's new fish guy and infrastructure. Basically talked about

739
01:09:00,380 --> 01:09:06,140
some federal issues and upcoming projects that we'd love their help on.

740
01:09:06,900 --> 01:09:08,400
You know, he kind of cautioned us the same old thing.

741
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:10,080
Your marks are not going to happen.

742
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,380
But we made him aware of several big projects.

743
01:09:14,380 --> 01:09:17,140
The anti-cap of being one, sea lines being another,

744
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,520
and you know, the sea line issue as well.

745
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,960
So they're on top of it.

746
01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:27,160
We got a pretty good feeling that he's at least visiting.

747
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:32,320
He's got a bit of history with Peter's Breakey worked for John Winther for 12 years 15 years

748
01:09:32,860 --> 01:09:40,260
So while this was his first visit to Peter's Breakey's very familiar with our community from John's operation, and

749
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:45,640
After got how many years of hay work there?

750
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:54,720
After after excuse me. I'm sorry. It's I yeah, it's better part of almost 30

751
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,060
Yeah, it's 5.30.

752
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:59,360
He has announced his retirement effective August 31st.

753
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,220
So if anybody sees him, tell Hoff, their congratulations. He's pretty excited and definitely deserves

754
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,780
everyone's thanks for 30 years in the harbor.

755
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,220
You've been there long as I could remember.

756
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:19,020
Okay, unfinished business. Any questions of the manager and his report before we move on?

757
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,180
Okay. When are you going to get rid of that cough?

758
01:10:22,740 --> 01:10:30,960
Unfinished business. Juno appeal of the Petersburg Borough boundaries. Our argument will commence at 3 p.m. Wednesday, September 4th in Juno.

759
01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:36,260
Judge Menendez has a lot at only one hour toilet for all three parties to make their case.

760
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:46,800
I'll be flying up there and sitting in on that with our Borough mayor or Borough attorney. I mean, and we'll see how it goes.

761
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,100
See what when they come up with their decision, Mr. Mayor.

762
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:56,020
Yes, it's my experience in oral arguments that the judges on, especially on issues like this,

763
01:10:56,140 --> 01:11:01,480
do not really expect the parties to be there and doesn't influence them much. So if you have

764
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:07,400
other things to do, I would not make this, I would not recommend it be a mandatory trip.

765
01:11:07,700 --> 01:11:11,400
Well, I bought the ticket today and it was kind of recommended by our attorney.

766
01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:16,800
Okay, that's the reason I'm going. Otherwise, yeah, I've been, I've been, I've been a month in

767
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:17,440
Did you know this summer?

768
01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:19,980
I thought you'd been up there for a while.

769
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,200
Is this Brennan going to this summer?

770
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,200
Yes, he's coming from Warm Springs Bay.

771
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:34,480
A lot of places that judges in legal conferences have said do not introduce your clients.

772
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:36,940
I've never been to one.

773
01:11:37,660 --> 01:11:38,080
So are you?

774
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:39,740
Have fun.

775
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:47,720
Just to add to it, the perception was coming from Juneau was that they were going to have

776
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:48,520
a full house.

777
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:58,040
Jim was a little, he wanted somebody there that they, if asked, he could say, yes, the

778
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:58,500
mayor is here.

779
01:11:59,500 --> 01:11:59,780
Okay.

780
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:09,100
Anyway, moving on, redistricting there's no new information, unfinished business ordinance

781
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:15,760
Since 2013-11, an ordinance providing for Chapter 3.18 of the Municipal Code entitled Finance Department,

782
01:12:16,060 --> 01:12:23,700
Updating Current Language to Reflect Borough and Corporation and Providing for the Disillusion of the Finance Committee for the City of Petersburg Second Reading.

783
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:28,780
The inter-teener motion to adopt ordinance 2013-11 and its second reading.

784
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:29,560
So moved.

785
01:12:30,140 --> 01:12:30,320
Second.

786
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:37,360
Yes, been moved by Member Strand, seconded by Member Flint, to adopt 2013-11 in that second reading. Any discussion?

787
01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:41,450
Seeing none. Will the clerk call the roll?

788
01:12:43,170 --> 01:12:46,010
Yes. So yes, Cindy. Yes.

789
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:48,910
Yes. March? Yes.

790
01:12:50,110 --> 01:12:53,610
Perth. Yes. Nancy. Yes. Passes 7-0.

791
01:12:54,850 --> 01:13:01,630
Okay, ordinance 2013-12 of an ordinance providing for chapter 4.35 of the municipal code and

792
01:13:01,630 --> 01:13:06,030
detailed property development fund updating current language to reflect their

793
01:13:06,030 --> 01:13:10,470
incorporation and designating that funds from the sale or acquisition of state

794
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:15,350
entitlement lands be deposited into or disperse from the property development

795
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:19,130
fund. This is the second reading I entertain a motion to adopt ordinance

796
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:20,350
2013-12.

797
01:13:22,510 --> 01:13:26,310
Move by member Strand, seconded by member log of August to adopt

798
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:29,790
Board in 2013, 12 in a second reading. Any discussion?

799
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:33,980
Seeing none, we'll call it all.

800
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,600
So, yes, Cindy?

801
01:13:37,020 --> 01:13:37,160
Yes.

802
01:13:37,780 --> 01:13:38,260
John Hope?

803
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:38,980
Yes.

804
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:39,660
Nancy?

805
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:40,300
Yes.

806
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:40,900
Mark?

807
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:41,480
Yes.

808
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:42,600
John, have a lift?

809
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:42,880
Yes.

810
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:43,720
Thank her.

811
01:13:44,740 --> 01:13:44,940
Yes.

812
01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:47,440
Passes 7-0.

813
01:13:48,380 --> 01:13:48,720
Okay.

814
01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:52,080
Under Item E,

815
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:58,280
The authorization to send a reply to the July 9th letter from Michael Coffee Department

816
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:03,620
of Transportation regarding the DOT's use of herbicide and pesticide applications in

817
01:14:03,620 --> 01:14:04,240
Peter'sburg.

818
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:08,620
I don't feel it's necessary to read the whole letter.

819
01:14:08,820 --> 01:14:12,980
Has everybody read the letter on the assembly and there's copies of it in the packets?

820
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:19,960
The only thing I would think that would be change in Mr. Bracken who's in the audience

821
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:25,860
This was one of the, people that drafted the letter in the one, let me find it here,

822
01:14:27,540 --> 01:14:30,020
paragraph, it talks

823
01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:37,200
about the impact, it will definitely have an impact on people's

824
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:42,140
willingness to buy out, last the seafoods, and I would like to see that change to it may

825
01:14:42,140 --> 01:14:44,180
have an impact or it could have an impact.

826
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,360
That seems like pretty strong word, it invests a bracket and then it's any problem with it.

827
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,060
Barry, would you like to talk to that?

828
01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:54,260
Second.

829
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:56,520
Second, the last paragraph.

830
01:14:56,740 --> 01:14:57,400
Yeah, it is.

831
01:14:57,580 --> 01:14:57,940
Yeah.

832
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,300
Mr. Mayor, members of the Assembly, my name is Gary Brock and I reside at 5705, Sandy Beach Road.

833
01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:16,940
Yeah, I have no problem with the mayor's recommendation, but you might, I think, something stronger

834
01:15:16,940 --> 01:15:24,920
than may be appropriate here. You could say something to the effect of, as such, it is likely that the public

835
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:29,520
and use of, we'll have a negative impact.

836
01:15:31,220 --> 01:15:35,920
I think May is kind of, maybe a little bit too soft

837
01:15:37,300 --> 01:15:39,760
and will definitely, is probably too harsh.

838
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,280
So somewhere in between, we don't know that it's definitely going to cause.

839
01:15:45,700 --> 01:15:48,940
As such, it is likely that the public awareness of the use of this herbicides

840
01:15:48,940 --> 01:15:53,760
in or near Alaska waters will have a negative impact on the public awareness

841
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,980
will in this to buy and consume the Lenskasy food I think that word he would be

842
01:15:57,980 --> 01:16:09,620
acceptable okay since I'm since I'm signing it thank you can we change that

843
01:16:09,620 --> 01:16:15,600
Kathy and is that acceptable to the assembly yes okay so I guess we need a

844
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:21,280
motion to move the letter or just everybody in favor of sending the letter as we've

845
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:25,340
modify it. Just say hi. Hi, hi, hi. Okay, Kathy, can we do that?

846
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,960
Okay, try to make it less confusing to define myself here on the

847
01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:31,880
hype out again.

848
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:36,120
Okay.

849
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:43,040
Yeah, I'm working down that. Okay, slow with this. Okay, new

850
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:43,400
business,

851
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:52,160
ordinance, 2013-13, an ordinance providing for title one

852
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,900
of the municipal code, updating current language to reflect

853
01:16:58,700 --> 01:17:04,260
The ordinance carries over the city of Petersburg code provisions to the borough code.

854
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:09,960
It provides for matters regarding ordinance and resolution preparation designated general

855
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,840
penalty and interest rate limits claims against the borough to be filed within one year and provides

856
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,080
for records management.

857
01:17:19,140 --> 01:17:23,080
I entertain a motion to adopt 2013-13 in the first reading.

858
01:17:24,940 --> 01:17:31,160
Okay, it's been moved by member Flint. Seconded by member Havelick to adopt 2013-13 and it's

859
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:41,600
first reading any discussion. Mr. Mayor. Yes. They are trying to find it. We statement

860
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,640
that requiring

861
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:51,450
notice before a lawsuit, I'm trying to find where that is because it's not

862
01:17:51,450 --> 01:17:53,190
on my iPad, all of a sudden.

863
01:17:54,130 --> 01:18:01,910
It's kind of 30 days, not for a lawsuit, but I know what you're talking about, it sounds

864
01:18:02,830 --> 01:18:05,430
like that for a refund or something like that.

865
01:18:05,610 --> 01:18:07,070
Okay, okay, that's fine.

866
01:18:07,210 --> 01:18:09,350
I didn't think legally we could make that requirement.

867
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:10,050
Yeah, no, it's not for a lawsuit.

868
01:18:10,150 --> 01:18:11,950
Okay, I didn't think we could make that requirement.

869
01:18:13,330 --> 01:18:16,890
Good idea, but I could legislate or have to do it.

870
01:18:22,300 --> 01:18:23,500
Okay, any more discussion?

871
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:26,220
Will the clerk call the roll?

872
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:28,580
Mark.

873
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:29,160
Yes.

874
01:18:29,620 --> 01:18:30,140
Cindy?

875
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:30,660
Yes.

876
01:18:31,420 --> 01:18:31,740
Nancy?

877
01:18:32,020 --> 01:18:32,280
Yes.

878
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:33,880
Dan Heberleck?

879
01:18:33,980 --> 01:18:34,140
Yes.

880
01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:35,220
Kurt?

881
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:36,440
Yes.

882
01:18:36,980 --> 01:18:37,800
Dan Ho?

883
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:38,360
Yes.

884
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:39,120
And Sue?

885
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:39,700
Yes.

886
01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:41,460
Okay.

887
01:18:41,580 --> 01:18:42,740
It passes in its first reading.

888
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,480
It brings us on to item B under new business.

889
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:48,340
It's resolution 2013-20.

890
01:18:49,060 --> 01:18:51,940
A resolution declaring Saturday on October 5th

891
01:18:51,940 --> 01:18:53,940
as a sales tax free day in Petersburg.

892
01:18:53,940 --> 01:18:56,660
for Burrell and Pears for Burrell.

893
01:18:56,780 --> 01:18:58,980
The Chamber of Retail Committee is asking the assembly

894
01:18:58,980 --> 01:19:01,100
to declare Saturday, October 5th,

895
01:19:01,140 --> 01:19:03,760
as a sales tax free day in the Burrell.

896
01:19:03,820 --> 01:19:04,340
Okay, I'm going to ask.

897
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,660
I entertain a motion to adopt resolution 2013-20.

898
01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:11,260
Second.

899
01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:13,560
To move by, remember, have an executive,

900
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,560
I remember Flint to adopt resolution 2013-20.

901
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:18,340
Any discussion?

902
01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:21,580
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to support this.

903
01:19:21,580 --> 01:19:28,840
Um, we are ahead of our budget now this year with sales tax revenues and, um, October

904
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,700
is a month where it's pretty much residents living in Peter's bird or shopping in

905
01:19:33,700 --> 01:19:41,420
Peter's bird. And, um, I think, I think it could be a better time to have it than it was

906
01:19:41,420 --> 01:19:45,520
in May when we're full of visitors. Remember strand you have a comment?

907
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:50,400
We ever get any figures from the retit from the merchants last year about how much they

908
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,060
They thought it increased their sales.

909
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,040
What didn't we request now?

910
01:19:55,900 --> 01:19:59,980
Can't remember that we did, but didn't we find out?

911
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:15,180
I thought there was cost us less than we were assuming. Cost us a little bit less. And we did ask the merchants, if they had any information, but I don't believe they had the ability to tell us for the most part. Yeah, my record.

912
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:37,740
We have got some figures from a couple of merchants, but they haven't turned them into a chef, but she wanted to just be aware that there is some info on that.

913
01:20:39,020 --> 01:20:39,740
Member Flan?

914
01:20:39,940 --> 01:20:51,240
I think the only request was when I asked Savannah Guthrie who was here last time from the retail committee if they had any information yet, and she said no at that time.

915
01:20:52,220 --> 01:20:55,180
But they definitely wanted to continue.

916
01:20:55,180 --> 01:21:01,060
Yes, so any more discussion on the resolution 2013-20?

917
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,500
Seeing none will the clerk call the roll

918
01:21:06,740 --> 01:21:14,420
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, gentlemen, no

919
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,320
Okay, that brings us to item C under new business

920
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:27,240
a determination on the retention of advisory boards, committees and commissions of March 18th

921
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:32,260
assembly meeting, whether to retain or disband the various advisory boards and committees

922
01:21:32,260 --> 01:21:35,380
was tabled due to the lateness of the hour of the meeting.

923
01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:43,620
Borough Charter Section 19.08c reads exempt for those provided, for by this charter, all

924
01:21:43,620 --> 01:21:47,980
appointed and elected advisory boards, committees and commissions in effect at the time of this

925
01:21:47,980 --> 01:21:52,100
charter shall be dissolved one year after the effective date of this charter

926
01:21:52,100 --> 01:21:55,000
unless specifically continued by ordinance.

927
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:00,240
A copy of the March 18th meeting minutes and a recap of the survey

928
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,600
of the existing boards are attached for review.

929
01:22:04,980 --> 01:22:07,980
Doesn't show up on the iPad, but it's on the last page

930
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:09,820
over there.

931
01:22:11,980 --> 01:22:14,720
It does, it's just so tiny.

932
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,440
Yeah, I can't read it yet.

933
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:20,320
So,

934
01:22:22,460 --> 01:22:23,420
any ideas?

935
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:24,280
Mr. Mayor?

936
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:24,660
Yes.

937
01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:27,400
I had requested it to be tabled previously,

938
01:22:27,740 --> 01:22:29,820
because I thought if we were going to look at this,

939
01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:32,380
we should look at one board at a time,

940
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,380
let the department heads come in,

941
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,240
give us a chance to look at,

942
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:38,080
I would suggest six months of minutes

943
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,960
from some of these committees and make a decision,

944
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,140
committee by committee as opposed to

945
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,280
doing an up and down in mass.

946
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:55,120
And I'm as uncomfortable now as I am then considering it, you know, in mass on dealing with

947
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:55,660
these committees.

948
01:22:56,580 --> 01:22:56,900
Okay.

949
01:22:58,100 --> 01:23:00,040
Steve, you conducted the survey.

950
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:01,600
You drafted it up and sent it out.

951
01:23:01,740 --> 01:23:04,620
Who was involved in answering the survey?

952
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:11,440
Actually, all we did was we went to each of the boards themselves and said on the members,

953
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:18,000
Do you think your board should stay? Do you think it should go? What do you think the prime purpose of your board is?

954
01:23:19,220 --> 01:23:30,140
And so, yeah, very informal, but we did get all of them to turn the response back to us and cross the board they wanted to stay.

955
01:23:32,940 --> 01:23:42,320
I see, you know, the board is being important because it takes this level of, I don't always

956
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:47,640
want to call public involvement away from the assembly meetings and they get a recommendation

957
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,960
from the board, so here's all the public's comments beforehand and then they give us a recommendation.

958
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:57,260
We still have an opportunity to act on it, that's why I feel the boards are important.

959
01:23:57,260 --> 01:24:02,060
Um, um, fine ask you, but he's being voted on now is being removed.

960
01:24:02,060 --> 01:24:03,360
So one more reading there.

961
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,260
It'll be to spam this.

962
01:24:06,340 --> 01:24:15,960
Mr. Mayor, when I, uh, tour each of the departments, when I was put on the council, I, uh, tried

963
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:21,380
to have candid conversation with the apartment heads and the, you know, did they fill the input?

964
01:24:21,860 --> 01:24:26,740
Did they think they were valuable and only one or two said yes when asked.

965
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:33,260
candidly. I reviewed for instance six months of minutes on the Public Safety Advisory Committee

966
01:24:34,260 --> 01:24:42,280
and it didn't strike me as that committee was important and you know that we have,

967
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:49,360
these are elected committees and we have trouble finding people to go through that process especially

968
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:56,660
with APOC which maybe we'll get rid of in a year but I would suggest that before we just

969
01:24:56,660 --> 01:24:59,700
rubber stamp, everyone, that they're the individualized.

970
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,080
consideration of those.

971
01:25:03,290 --> 01:25:05,610
How many are there told left to get from the branches?

972
01:25:07,730 --> 01:25:20,370
You could put them on one on one on each agenda meeting for the next or two on at a time and then have the department heads and some of the committee members come forward and you could look at the minutes and see their usefulness.

973
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:42,560
three are appointed but that's true. I thought the public safety advisory board was elected.

974
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:48,680
Yeah, it is. Yeah, the majority of the more elected.

975
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,340
Well, I have nothing against

976
01:25:54,340 --> 01:26:03,560
a member hoax suggestion of having a member or the chair of the advisory board of two advisory

977
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:12,900
your words at a time and the fact the department had come to the assembly and then here if they

978
01:26:12,900 --> 01:26:19,420
recommend keeping them I mean that doesn't seem like it looks like we have plenty of time is

979
01:26:19,420 --> 01:26:25,920
this the next step in the process is that what we can do that so we can start in September and

980
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,640
We've done it in two months, so we're going to walk it over, we're going to get it.

981
01:26:31,780 --> 01:26:36,200
Well, a couple maybe we don't even have to have, I mean, transient room tax.

982
01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:40,320
They have one job a year, take that money and give it up.

983
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:41,560
I mean, we want to keep that.

984
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,300
We need to keep that committee.

985
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:45,700
Right, and they're just appointed.

986
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,760
So I mean, we don't need to have special meeting on that.

987
01:26:48,860 --> 01:26:50,580
So which ones do we think we need to have?

988
01:26:50,580 --> 01:26:59,880
Harbor Advisory Board, I think, is very important in this town. We shouldn't even have to worry about that one.

989
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:05,500
Are they commission? They are elected to appoint you. They are elected.

990
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:10,960
Do you want to have a discussion on that issue? Whether they should be elected or appointed.

991
01:27:14,210 --> 01:27:17,890
I don't, but maybe they do. I don't know.

992
01:27:17,890 --> 01:27:22,930
It seems like that's one of the boards where you actually have a rod for a seat that's true

993
01:27:22,930 --> 01:27:26,830
Maybe an elected I've seen one one board. I think with one runoff

994
01:27:33,250 --> 01:27:37,370
So if there's some we think we don't have to have like the transient room tax we could just

995
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:41,610
Put a star by that and then that one should stay

996
01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:44,930
Can we come to a consensus on that if

997
01:27:47,490 --> 01:27:50,150
I may that leads you the public safety advice

998
01:27:50,150 --> 01:27:56,850
report, utility advisory board. I'll skip the library board because I have something to

999
01:27:56,850 --> 01:28:05,030
say about that. Border pool, I, I planning commission in Parks and Rec. You planning commission,

1000
01:28:05,250 --> 01:28:14,430
you have to have, so unless the assembly wants to do it themselves, which I wouldn't recommend.

1001
01:28:14,430 --> 01:28:22,030
No. But I would suggest the other ones that we put on one or two at a time and go over

1002
01:28:22,030 --> 01:28:22,210
them.

1003
01:28:22,410 --> 01:28:23,110
Do you want to talk to me?

1004
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:26,990
The library board is the other one that is exceptionally active.

1005
01:28:27,290 --> 01:28:27,410
Yes.

1006
01:28:27,810 --> 01:28:31,930
That was the one department had that told me without any quibbling.

1007
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:34,390
Yes, they want that to come in.

1008
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:38,230
I don't think I asked Glo because I assumed that the harbor board was going to stay there.

1009
01:28:39,310 --> 01:28:42,550
But the library board is where I got an affirmative.

1010
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:44,170
Yes, we want to be in existence.

1011
01:28:45,630 --> 01:28:47,310
It's a very public.

1012
01:28:47,730 --> 01:28:52,610
Mr. Mayor, I kind of agree with your original comment that the more public input we have,

1013
01:28:52,730 --> 01:28:56,790
the better off we are, and I, except for the finance community that we've already talked

1014
01:28:56,790 --> 01:29:01,390
about, I would be very comfortable with just keeping all these boards.

1015
01:29:01,530 --> 01:29:07,950
They've all said they want to stay, and I would welcome more participation than less.

1016
01:29:07,950 --> 01:29:08,050
Yes.

1017
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:15,540
Well, I guess if we're going to take formal action tonight, we'd need a motion and a second

1018
01:29:15,540 --> 01:29:17,500
and we can have more discussion on it.

1019
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:17,900
Okay.

1020
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:23,300
So I would like to make that motion that we keep all the committees that said they've wanted

1021
01:29:23,300 --> 01:29:24,920
to stay except for the finance committee.

1022
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:26,440
Second.

1023
01:29:26,980 --> 01:29:27,360
Yes.

1024
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:32,680
The motion is made by Member Havelek, seconded by Member Strand, to keep all of the advisory

1025
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:38,780
boards that express interest and stain and effect in your discussion.

1026
01:29:38,780 --> 01:29:39,620
which

1027
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:46,920
means I guess we would keep well the historical review it's not a

1028
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,800
currently active board so that we just can just expand that and if the finance

1029
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,820
committee gets voted out of existence at the first meeting in September that

1030
01:29:54,820 --> 01:29:59,040
would be gone so that means we'd keep parks and recreation

1031
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,940
Your advisory board, motor pool, transient room tax, public library, utility advisory board,

1032
01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:06,420
and the public safety advisory board.

1033
01:30:09,170 --> 01:30:10,110
Any more discussion?

1034
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:14,350
We're going to get into your discussion about whether or not they were going to be elected

1035
01:30:14,350 --> 01:30:14,990
or appointed.

1036
01:30:17,780 --> 01:30:20,820
Might we consider changing some of those? Are we going to retain them all

1037
01:30:20,820 --> 01:30:21,820
as they are?

1038
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:33,460
I think this current status, Steve, if I'm not mistaken, was that what the board wanted to

1039
01:30:33,460 --> 01:30:35,260
be elected? Or do they have an input on that?

1040
01:30:35,340 --> 01:30:42,160
Yeah, on the current status column. When I asked them do they want to be elected or appointed

1041
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,940
in the board size, that is what they told me.

1042
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:50,460
So the APOC filing didn't discourage any, at least of the existing members?

1043
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:56,160
At least from that perspective. So the only change in that was the Public Safety Advisory

1044
01:30:56,160 --> 01:31:01,840
Board said they thought it would be better if they were appointed rather than elected

1045
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,560
they're currently elected, but that was the only difference.

1046
01:31:13,860 --> 01:31:14,520
Kathy, yes.

1047
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,140
Just want to say it.

1048
01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:23,640
This town, this girl, has more elected positions on its ballot than any of the municipalities

1049
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:24,120
say.

1050
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,140
That's including your big ones.

1051
01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:34,460
Some of these boards came into existence as I'm told the history of them by people that

1052
01:31:34,460 --> 01:31:39,080
were mayored on 20 years ago because of a distrust of the government.

1053
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:46,040
I mean, having a motor pool board is doing a function that should be done by the department

1054
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,280
heads and the city manager.

1055
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:52,580
I mean, the utility board, how much does it really do today?

1056
01:31:53,460 --> 01:31:54,540
How much does it function?

1057
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:59,360
I mean, that's why I oppose, member Haverlick, let's just vote them all and continue the

1058
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:05,560
thing because there are boards that, you know, they're necessity and their contribution

1059
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:10,900
questionable, making them go through an APOC filing. I mean, we have lost people that

1060
01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:18,580
sat on this City Council because of the APOC filing who contributed well. And it would

1061
01:32:18,580 --> 01:32:25,420
strike to me that there is no rush to have this done without some discussion and consideration

1062
01:32:25,420 --> 01:32:32,140
of this by one board at a time. And so I oppose member Haverlick's motion for that reason.

1063
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:35,840
Okay. Any other input?

1064
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,680
I think my opinion is that we would have them come a couple of

1065
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:53,020
a time and we could address it then whether they're elected or appointed and how many

1066
01:32:53,020 --> 01:33:00,140
members would be on the board. Some of those numbers could be changed. So I think I would

1067
01:33:00,140 --> 01:33:07,300
be voting against Mr. Haverlick's motion at this point. Any more discussion?

1068
01:33:07,300 --> 01:33:10,080
So, clerk call the roll.

1069
01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:11,460
John, have a light.

1070
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:13,960
I'm the coward, no.

1071
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,560
You can't vote kiss you can vote against your own motion.

1072
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:20,600
Sure you can.

1073
01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:21,620
I'm not voting against my own.

1074
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:23,300
We'll take it.

1075
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:24,920
No.

1076
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:27,060
But

1077
01:33:30,610 --> 01:33:32,470
you know, I think it's that.

1078
01:33:39,790 --> 01:33:39,970
No.

1079
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:41,570
Can I see?

1080
01:33:41,730 --> 01:33:41,930
Yes.

1081
01:33:42,970 --> 01:33:43,430
Cindy.

1082
01:33:43,930 --> 01:33:44,150
No.

1083
01:33:44,890 --> 01:33:45,410
Mark.

1084
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:45,910
No.

1085
01:33:46,750 --> 01:33:52,690
Okay, the motion fails board is due, so I would just suggest that maybe over the starting

1086
01:33:52,690 --> 01:34:01,350
of the first meeting in September, the borough clerk picks a couple of utility boards, advisory

1087
01:34:01,350 --> 01:34:04,570
boards, committees, whatever you want to call them to come before the assembly and with

1088
01:34:04,570 --> 01:34:08,590
the department head and then we get the information and we vote on them two or a time.

1089
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:12,810
Is that acceptable to the assembly?

1090
01:34:16,990 --> 01:34:18,890
I guess I can't make a motion.

1091
01:34:19,190 --> 01:34:21,030
Well, it'll just happen.

1092
01:34:22,510 --> 01:34:24,490
Everybody say all that wants that to happen.

1093
01:34:27,570 --> 01:34:29,030
Good and tired.

1094
01:34:29,810 --> 01:34:31,310
Okay, communications.

1095
01:34:31,810 --> 01:34:33,090
Is there any communications?

1096
01:34:34,630 --> 01:34:36,790
Just the phone call they had.

1097
01:34:36,910 --> 01:34:38,870
I guess I have communication from John Krillin,

1098
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:46,530
We're in the assistant to Jim also from the National Infantry Service, he was the gentleman

1099
01:34:46,530 --> 01:34:51,590
that would like to come to Petersburg and first and see the sea line, probably be reported

1100
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:53,590
to if there's any incidents.

1101
01:34:53,970 --> 01:34:58,050
So maybe the one that Mr. Hold mentioned tonight, Glow, he could get that information.

1102
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:58,670
Okay.

1103
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:08,780
Any more communications? Assembly, discussion items, aye, recognitions, any recognitions this evening?

1104
01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:11,140
I hope so.

1105
01:35:11,740 --> 01:35:29,560
Well, I took my granddaughter up the river last week, and we were so pleased to pour into the Blackberry Point, parking lot with full parking for your trailers, lots of spaces to turn around, and outhouse, and a beautiful ramp.

1106
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:38,980
and it was such a breeze and thank you to Rack and Rock and Road Construction, Chris Cotta, and everyone else involved.

1107
01:35:39,340 --> 01:35:40,420
Huge improvement.

1108
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:44,320
It is, I believe there's going to be picnic tables out of to the side as well.

1109
01:35:45,020 --> 01:35:45,940
Can they get rid of the mosquitoes?

1110
01:35:46,620 --> 01:35:48,220
Yeah, they're still there.

1111
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,500
I'm sure they can get the state to spray a test.

1112
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,380
Okay, we have one more item.

1113
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:06,940
I would like to extend my appreciation and the recognition of the Harvard staff who are

1114
01:36:06,940 --> 01:36:15,960
having found it through my stolen skill and allowed me to get it away in that closing

1115
01:36:20,300 --> 01:36:25,920
at the same time that they were fielding all of their numerous calls at the same time.

1116
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:32,960
We were actually found in the video clip in the surveillance of the actual theft in progress.

1117
01:36:34,580 --> 01:36:36,120
I really appreciate that.

1118
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,820
All right. Good job, Bill. Thanks, Dave.

1119
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:44,180
Okay, and then there was one item added under assembly discussion items.

1120
01:36:44,180 --> 01:36:49,740
by member Walhooter, the Rasmus Inge Bridge, so Kurt, what did you want to talk about?

1121
01:36:50,740 --> 01:36:51,880
No, I just want to run it.

1122
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:29,680
Thanks, Kurt.

1123
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:33,180
I guess Carl, can you take that into consideration?

1124
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:34,340
I don't know how that would work.

1125
01:37:37,580 --> 01:37:38,720
It's a good idea, though.

1126
01:37:38,780 --> 01:37:42,300
I don't know if we do any bartering or burn raising anymore.

1127
01:37:43,460 --> 01:37:46,720
Mr. Mayor, it would be a very complicated process.

1128
01:37:46,740 --> 01:37:48,400
It would be a lot of details to work out

1129
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,420
But if we were to even try that,

1130
01:37:54,780 --> 01:37:58,340
if I may, the code, I don't know if you can hear me

1131
01:37:58,340 --> 01:37:58,700
or not.

1132
01:37:59,860 --> 01:38:05,100
The first step is, and we'll run this up the flagpole a little bit, all of the design

1133
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:10,940
piece has to be done by an engineer because we ask DOT has to rate that bridge.

1134
01:38:12,020 --> 01:38:19,280
So that part of it we can't get out of, the question is, and we don't know an answer,

1135
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:27,420
here is once the bridge design is there are we allowed to use volunteer labor and still

1136
01:38:27,420 --> 01:38:34,460
get the bridge rated by DOT so that we can drive on it and it's I don't know what they

1137
01:38:34,460 --> 01:38:41,500
accept from a project standpoint if it can be volunteer labor if it has to be a licensed

1138
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:50,160
I had a quick conversation, but we have not yet called DOT to say, is this even possible?

1139
01:38:50,820 --> 01:38:54,620
Would they allow us to do it and then still wait to bridge so we could drive on it?

1140
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,420
But we'll start asking some questions.

1141
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:03,600
About

1142
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:39,060
state and federal.

1143
01:39:40,220 --> 01:39:42,140
Okay, thank you, Mr. Harville.

1144
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:48,680
I just want us to keep an open mind that was an expensive, possibly over a million dollars

1145
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:55,460
that we may want to look at is just a walking bridge because, you know, like said

1146
01:39:55,460 --> 01:39:59,660
last time one business is moving out and I know it makes, you know,

1147
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,340
I see you mentioned sunset Norway, it makes an inconvenience, but to me a million dollars plus is a lot more of an inconvenience.

1148
01:40:08,380 --> 01:40:18,240
Let's keep it open. All right. Any more discussion on this? Volunteer, the bridge idea? Well, ask me.

1149
01:40:21,020 --> 01:40:22,080
Okay. Thanks, good.

1150
01:40:24,380 --> 01:40:28,640
The next item adjourned. Anybody want to adjourn? Thank you. Motion adjourned. Okay.

1151
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:30,320
All those in the food this year.

1152
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:31,460
Okay.

1153
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:32,600
All right.

1154
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:33,640
Good night, Kurt.