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. Good

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afternoon. Thank you

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for joining us

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here today at

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this Pflugerville City

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Council

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workshop. Uh

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, calling us

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to

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order at 5

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P.M. On Tuesday

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AUGUST 25th

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, uh, the

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first item

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on our agenda is

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public

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comment

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do

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have a request. This looks

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like

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it's for

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. The

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meeting and I have

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Les who is

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waiting for

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. The item to

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come

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forward, is there anyone

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wishing to speak during

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public

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comment at this time

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, not

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related to 9

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. That

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will move

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forward

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to item 3a, that is to

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conduct a presentation on

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the

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Pflugerville Community

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Development Corporation fiscal

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year 26

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, 3rd quarter financial

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reports. How come that guy

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gets

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to sit in the back while she's

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giving a presentation

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. Thank

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you

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. So

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, good evening

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. Um

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, this

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report went to

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the pcdc board

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on AUGUST 19th

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, just to

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review of

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we

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are as of

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JUNE 30th

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, total revenue is

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at

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63%

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sales taxes, their

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largest revenue

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, and that it's

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at 73%. A a little

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um, where we would

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budgeted

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, um, we're trending

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fiscal year today

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, 1.2% year

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over year

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, interested

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income

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is also behind budget,

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we've

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seen

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interest

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slowly

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ticked down over the

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last

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several months, and

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other

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revenue just

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out, it's um

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park

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payment and we, we get that

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revenue

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in SEPTEMBER

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a

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peek at the sales

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tell from JUNE

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we're looking better, so we'll

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see how

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that looks over the

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next couple of months

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to finish

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out

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our

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fiscal year

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, um, but

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I think JULY

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was 13% year over

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year

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the

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expense

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side

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, 56%

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um spent of

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the budget of

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, of

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personnel

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, 61%

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operating 69%

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development incentives are

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62%

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majority of these,

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uh, are

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paid out at the end

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of

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the, of

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the year, so it'll be

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in quarter 4 that you'll see

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the rest of those

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incentive

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payments

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. Capital projects is

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at 51%. Um, we did

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get or hear

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a report that the two main

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projects

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way

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and Helios

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right in and

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right out should

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final in

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, in SEPTEMBER, so

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able

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to

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um find

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out those

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projects by the end

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of the fiscal year

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, um, debt

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payments

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57%. Um

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the

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payments hit,

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see that jump

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up in the 4th quarter as well

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? Based on where

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are

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here at this

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point

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, uh,

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do you think we're going to get

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pretty close

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to

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100% on

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everything, or do you think

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we're going to end up

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anything I if we're

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below

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on

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revenues or expenditures

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, which

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ones and how much? I

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think

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sales

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tax will come in a little

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short, just like we're

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projecting

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in general fund

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. Um

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I, I mean, we're

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at 56% of

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budget

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on expenses. I think

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there's some expenses that will

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come in in the 4th quarter

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, but

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I think we'll be below

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on

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expenses

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. Ok

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, and personnel in

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particular should be low. Well,

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I mean, we had

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vacancies for a

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good bit of the year, yeah

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.

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APRIL of this year? Um

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, Yeah

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,

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it's about timing around that

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area

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. Yeah, yeah, so we

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, we

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should expect personnel to

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come

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in low

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. Sales tax

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to come

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in

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low. Um, other than

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that

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,

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everything looks like it's

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about on

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target

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. Am I

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understanding this correctly I

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think

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most categories on the

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expense

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side are behind budget

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.

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I mean, we would

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be

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at

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75% at

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this point in time if

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you

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just

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do math

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, but as you pointed

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out

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uh, uh, many of the, the

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large

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expenditures

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come

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in and the

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debt

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. I

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would expect us

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below

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75% at this

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point

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. So assuming

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that

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everything goes

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according

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to plan

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. We're

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going to end up

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at

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105

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or

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95. You would expect

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for us to be

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below 75% at this

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point

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. If

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you have a

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majority

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of expenditures, yeah, because

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most

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of

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the large portion of

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the expenditures

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happen in the,

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in the 4th quarter of every

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year

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. But she said that the

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only one that's

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like perfect is

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debt service because we know

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those numbers ahead of time

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,

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otherwise everything

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else is

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turning below on

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debt services

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a semiannual

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. It is

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. Usually

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semiannual, but there's like

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another

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one off that's in a

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different month. I think they

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have one, bond that gets paid

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in OCTOBER

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, so

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they're not

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perfect

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. FEBRUARY and

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AUGUST

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anymore. Some of the

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new ones

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are actually

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off

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cycle and the

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water park is

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off cycle, the

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water park revenue is off cycle

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The

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water

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park expenses, I

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assume, are

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those monthly? That

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no, those

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are all

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they're twice

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a year

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, semiannual, but they're

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not on the regular bond

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schedule

361
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, so we have to keep up

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with all the

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. A different so so

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it

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sounds

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like quarterly

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. We're

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roughly in line, but it's not

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going to be linear

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. Um, on the

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debt, well

372
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, on

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, on

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the expenses

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It's gonna be, I think

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gonna be

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I think be be, I think below

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budget

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. Uh

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, any other

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.

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Questions for this, uh, counsel

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?

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Right

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, Tracy

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, don't go

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too

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far

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, um, item 3b

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is

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discussions

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regarding water

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and

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wastewater

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rate

396
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study recommendations

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. Uh

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I believe we

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also have uh

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Jessica Lynch with Baker Tilly.

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So she found

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a friend thank you

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for joining

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us

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again

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Yeah, so

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,

408
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um, hopefully this

409
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will be our

410
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last presentation on our water

411
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and wastewater study

412
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. Um, but

413
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we wanted to kind of touch

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some

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different

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things now we've

417
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provided you with the full

418
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, um,

419
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final reports on the water and

420
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the wastewater

421
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, and so

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, um,

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we're prepared

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to

425
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field some

426
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questions that MAY have come up

427
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with that review

428
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of

429
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those

430
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reports, um, but we're

431
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gonna

432
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start out

433
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with just going

434
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over

435
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some assumptions that were

436
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built into the report

437
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. Yeah

438
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. So

439
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first just on the

440
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revenue

441
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requirements schedule

442
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, um, most

443
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of these amounts were given to

444
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us

445
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by Tracy and

446
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her team

447
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, um,

448
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but specifically those

449
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assumptions that

450
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were

451
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built

452
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into their

453
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for

454
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the revenue side

455
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for water

456
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, um, annual customer

457
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growth

458
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of

459
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2%

460
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for all

461
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the

462
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classes except

463
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for Lakeside mud

464
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5, which had

465
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7.45%

466
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annual

467
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growth

468
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, um, wastewater

469
00:08:57,125 --> 00:08:57,726
is 3%

470
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growth in fiscal year

471
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. 2027,

472
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but

473
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then 2%

474
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for

475
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the phases

476
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after that

477
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through 2031

478
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. Um

479
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,

480
00:09:04,650 --> 00:09:06,650
another a question

481
00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:07,635
on that. We

482
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both looked at each other, to

483
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be fair. I

484
00:09:08,436 --> 00:09:08,736
, I

485
00:09:08,736 --> 00:09:10,572
assume

486
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that's

487
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because, uh, oh, go

488
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ahead, go

489
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ahead. Well, obviously when

490
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you're projecting revenue

491
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, you

492
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generally tend to be

493
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more

494
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conservative, but

495
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our

496
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wastewater master plan that we

497
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did

498
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approve had closer to

499
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an 8%

500
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annual growth

501
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over the next 10

502
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years

503
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, so we're

504
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using 3%

505
00:09:27,889 --> 00:09:28,390
growth

506
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in the next year

507
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and 2%

508
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growth

509
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in the next 4

510
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years

511
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after

512
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that.

513
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So I just wanted

514
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to

515
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highlight

516
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that, um, that that

517
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is

518
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a

519
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major

520
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reduction

521
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in

522
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growth projections

523
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that we had in our master plan

524
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that we just approved. I don't

525
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know what

526
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the

527
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master

528
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plan

529
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growth

530
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percentage drives that I

531
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know with this and with

532
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the

533
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model that I worked

534
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here

535
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last

536
00:09:52,180 --> 00:09:52,781
year

537
00:09:52,781 --> 00:09:53,148
, the percentage just

538
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drives

539
00:09:53,548 --> 00:09:55,548
how much um

540
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. More units

541
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are going

542
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to be

543
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considered when

544
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we're doing the

545
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billing

546
00:10:00,489 --> 00:10:00,922
and 8%

547
00:10:00,922 --> 00:10:01,857
would not

548
00:10:01,857 --> 00:10:02,124
, it

549
00:10:02,124 --> 00:10:03,992
would

550
00:10:03,992 --> 00:10:04,426
have

551
00:10:04,426 --> 00:10:04,893
calculated

552
00:10:04,893 --> 00:10:06,162
way more new

553
00:10:06,162 --> 00:10:06,561
units

554
00:10:06,561 --> 00:10:06,828
that we see

555
00:10:06,828 --> 00:10:07,950
year

556
00:10:07,950 --> 00:10:08,864
over

557
00:10:08,864 --> 00:10:09,198
year. So

558
00:10:09,198 --> 00:10:11,198
yeah

559
00:10:11,333 --> 00:10:11,566
, so and and

560
00:10:11,566 --> 00:10:11,800
as

561
00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,468
you

562
00:10:13,468 --> 00:10:14,200
conveyed numerous times, we go

563
00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,737
back and we check

564
00:10:15,737 --> 00:10:16,471
. What that

565
00:10:16,471 --> 00:10:18,400
actually looks like to make

566
00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:18,607
sure that it's actually in line

567
00:10:18,607 --> 00:10:19,842
and which goes to

568
00:10:19,842 --> 00:10:20,742
a

569
00:10:20,742 --> 00:10:23,142
conversation that Melody had

570
00:10:23,745 --> 00:10:24,546
or

571
00:10:24,546 --> 00:10:24,731
COUNCILMAN Ryan had a while

572
00:10:24,731 --> 00:10:25,281
ago

573
00:10:25,281 --> 00:10:25,780
too as well, so

574
00:10:25,780 --> 00:10:27,516
. Cool

575
00:10:27,516 --> 00:10:28,751
. Ok

576
00:10:28,751 --> 00:10:29,651
, um,

577
00:10:29,651 --> 00:10:31,220
and then also based on input

578
00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:31,787
from

579
00:10:31,787 --> 00:10:33,455
Tracy's team

580
00:10:33,455 --> 00:10:34,256
, including

581
00:10:34,256 --> 00:10:36,580
contributions from impact fees

582
00:10:36,580 --> 00:10:36,558
to help

583
00:10:36,558 --> 00:10:36,892
with lowering some of

584
00:10:36,892 --> 00:10:38,660
those

585
00:10:38,660 --> 00:10:38,994
revenue requirements for

586
00:10:38,994 --> 00:10:40,228
water

587
00:10:40,228 --> 00:10:40,963
, uh

588
00:10:40,963 --> 00:10:42,398
, $4 million annually

589
00:10:42,398 --> 00:10:42,832
.

590
00:10:42,832 --> 00:10:43,365
And then

591
00:10:43,365 --> 00:10:45,365
for wastewater, it's

592
00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:45,834
$4 million in the

593
00:10:45,834 --> 00:10:47,302
first two

594
00:10:47,302 --> 00:10:47,703
years, fiscal year 27 and 28,

595
00:10:47,703 --> 00:10:49,703
and then

596
00:10:50,339 --> 00:10:50,672
5 million29 and

597
00:10:50,672 --> 00:10:51,840
then

598
00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:52,174
$6 million in 2030

599
00:10:52,174 --> 00:10:53,609
and 20931

600
00:10:53,609 --> 00:10:54,243
to

601
00:10:54,243 --> 00:10:56,145
help reduce those rate

602
00:10:56,145 --> 00:10:56,779
increases needed

603
00:10:56,779 --> 00:10:58,779
, um, for debt

604
00:10:58,814 --> 00:11:00,549
service also

605
00:11:00,549 --> 00:11:00,850
some contributions

606
00:11:00,850 --> 00:11:01,183
from

607
00:11:01,183 --> 00:11:01,517
cash

608
00:11:01,517 --> 00:11:03,520
reserves

609
00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:03,919
, um, based

610
00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:05,421
on where we were seeing just

611
00:11:05,421 --> 00:11:06,188
the straight revenue

612
00:11:06,188 --> 00:11:07,590
requirements in the across the

613
00:11:07,590 --> 00:11:08,570
board percentage increases

614
00:11:08,570 --> 00:11:09,525
coming in. We

615
00:11:09,525 --> 00:11:09,858
have

616
00:11:09,858 --> 00:11:10,393
25% being

617
00:11:10,393 --> 00:11:11,694
contributed in the

618
00:11:11,694 --> 00:11:12,940
first two

619
00:11:12,940 --> 00:11:12,728
phases for

620
00:11:12,728 --> 00:11:14,296
. Water

621
00:11:14,296 --> 00:11:14,763
and

622
00:11:14,763 --> 00:11:16,310
75%

623
00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:16,699
um

624
00:11:16,699 --> 00:11:18,670
for the first two phases

625
00:11:18,670 --> 00:11:18,467
for

626
00:11:18,467 --> 00:11:18,734
wastewater

627
00:11:18,734 --> 00:11:19,100
, and

628
00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:19,535
then

629
00:11:19,535 --> 00:11:20,636
replacements and

630
00:11:20,636 --> 00:11:21,270
improvement.

631
00:11:21,270 --> 00:11:21,570
Can you explain that a little

632
00:11:21,570 --> 00:11:23,405
bit

633
00:11:23,405 --> 00:11:23,673
debt

634
00:11:23,673 --> 00:11:25,174
, the

635
00:11:25,174 --> 00:11:25,741
debt

636
00:11:25,741 --> 00:11:26,575
service

637
00:11:26,575 --> 00:11:27,910
contributions fund balance that

638
00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:28,310
we're using that was put into

639
00:11:28,310 --> 00:11:29,912
the debt

640
00:11:29,912 --> 00:11:30,513
service fund and so

641
00:11:30,513 --> 00:11:32,140
we're

642
00:11:32,140 --> 00:11:32,748
basically buying down the

643
00:11:32,748 --> 00:11:34,483
rate by using some of those

644
00:11:34,483 --> 00:11:34,917
funds toward debt. Ok, so we

645
00:11:34,917 --> 00:11:36,819
can, we can

646
00:11:36,819 --> 00:11:38,688
do that and

647
00:11:38,688 --> 00:11:38,988
Wifia

648
00:11:38,988 --> 00:11:40,890
rate

649
00:11:40,890 --> 00:11:41,123
. Covenant or

650
00:11:41,123 --> 00:11:41,324
the

651
00:11:41,324 --> 00:11:41,891
revenue

652
00:11:41,891 --> 00:11:43,225
requirement, we can

653
00:11:43,225 --> 00:11:44,260
use

654
00:11:44,260 --> 00:11:44,293
reserves to, to

655
00:11:44,293 --> 00:11:45,528
help

656
00:11:45,528 --> 00:11:46,195
stabilize

657
00:11:46,195 --> 00:11:46,595
the. Yeah, you can use it to

658
00:11:46,595 --> 00:11:47,797
pay your

659
00:11:47,797 --> 00:11:48,531
debt service, but

660
00:11:48,531 --> 00:11:49,832
you'll still have to show

661
00:11:49,832 --> 00:11:50,600
the

662
00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:51,000
full payment for like your

663
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,368
coverage

664
00:11:52,368 --> 00:11:52,635
requirements. Yes,

665
00:11:52,635 --> 00:11:52,968
it's

666
00:11:52,968 --> 00:11:54,937
, it's

667
00:11:54,937 --> 00:11:55,104
, it's working

668
00:11:55,104 --> 00:11:55,438
it

669
00:11:55,438 --> 00:11:56,973
into the

670
00:11:56,973 --> 00:11:57,573
rate calculations so

671
00:11:57,573 --> 00:11:59,508
that you're not being

672
00:11:59,508 --> 00:12:00,900
hit with

673
00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:00,977
the

674
00:12:00,977 --> 00:12:01,377
full

675
00:12:01,377 --> 00:12:02,440
debt coming out of

676
00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,279
rates. That's why we're

677
00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:03,913
putting

678
00:12:03,913 --> 00:12:04,614
the impact fees toward it.

679
00:12:04,614 --> 00:12:05,781
That's why we're putting some

680
00:12:05,781 --> 00:12:06,282
of

681
00:12:06,282 --> 00:12:06,682
the available fund balance

682
00:12:06,682 --> 00:12:08,618
toward it

683
00:12:08,618 --> 00:12:08,885
. Ok. And then

684
00:12:08,885 --> 00:12:09,786
I had

685
00:12:09,786 --> 00:12:10,253
a

686
00:12:10,253 --> 00:12:10,720
question that

687
00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:11,187
came up with the

688
00:12:11,187 --> 00:12:12,321
budget when I

689
00:12:12,321 --> 00:12:12,922
was looking at

690
00:12:12,922 --> 00:12:13,322
this as well, so I guess I'm

691
00:12:13,322 --> 00:12:14,624
gonna ask

692
00:12:14,624 --> 00:12:15,124
it

693
00:12:15,124 --> 00:12:15,276
here, um, in

694
00:12:15,276 --> 00:12:15,558
the

695
00:12:15,558 --> 00:12:16,960
budget

696
00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,193
we

697
00:12:17,193 --> 00:12:17,927
had

698
00:12:17,927 --> 00:12:19,290
$10

699
00:12:19,290 --> 00:12:19,762
million in

700
00:12:19,762 --> 00:12:19,996
impact fees. I thought

701
00:12:19,996 --> 00:12:21,996
, or

702
00:12:22,131 --> 00:12:22,532
somewhere mentioned, um, but

703
00:12:22,532 --> 00:12:23,933
here it's

704
00:12:23,933 --> 00:12:24,167
8 million, so I

705
00:12:24,167 --> 00:12:24,668
was

706
00:12:24,668 --> 00:12:26,680
just wondering

707
00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:26,336
what was the

708
00:12:26,336 --> 00:12:26,936
the

709
00:12:26,936 --> 00:12:28,204
determination of how

710
00:12:28,204 --> 00:12:28,671
much we

711
00:12:28,671 --> 00:12:29,380
put towards

712
00:12:29,380 --> 00:12:29,405
, I think you're

713
00:12:29,405 --> 00:12:31,740
getting

714
00:12:31,740 --> 00:12:31,507
some

715
00:12:31,507 --> 00:12:32,750
roadway impact

716
00:12:32,750 --> 00:12:33,376
fees in your total

717
00:12:33,376 --> 00:12:33,977
. Because I

718
00:12:33,977 --> 00:12:34,778
believe that these are

719
00:12:34,778 --> 00:12:35,578
the

720
00:12:35,578 --> 00:12:38,615
numbers that were put into the

721
00:12:38,615 --> 00:12:38,915
budget

722
00:12:38,915 --> 00:12:39,249
for

723
00:12:39,249 --> 00:12:39,582
water for

724
00:12:39,582 --> 00:12:40,116
the entire

725
00:12:40,116 --> 00:12:40,516
if you were looking

726
00:12:40,516 --> 00:12:41,784
and the

727
00:12:41,784 --> 00:12:42,552
all

728
00:12:42,552 --> 00:12:44,187
fund summary, it's gonna, it's

729
00:12:44,187 --> 00:12:44,754
gonna include roadway impact

730
00:12:44,754 --> 00:12:46,222
fees. Ok, thank you

731
00:12:46,222 --> 00:12:48,191
. Now

732
00:12:48,191 --> 00:12:48,825
, uh,

733
00:12:48,825 --> 00:12:49,425
obviously our wastewater area

734
00:12:49,425 --> 00:12:50,660
is much greater than

735
00:12:50,660 --> 00:12:51,327
our water

736
00:12:51,327 --> 00:12:51,594
area, and as

737
00:12:51,594 --> 00:12:51,961
much less

738
00:12:51,961 --> 00:12:53,563
developed

739
00:12:53,563 --> 00:12:53,830
. Um

740
00:12:53,830 --> 00:12:55,830
, what

741
00:12:56,299 --> 00:12:57,330
is the

742
00:12:57,330 --> 00:12:58,134
basis for assuming the

743
00:12:58,134 --> 00:12:58,635
Increase

744
00:12:58,635 --> 00:13:00,136
in the in

745
00:13:00,136 --> 00:13:02,136
the wastewater

746
00:13:02,439 --> 00:13:02,972
.

747
00:13:02,972 --> 00:13:04,972
Impact fees year

748
00:13:04,974 --> 00:13:06,974
It's based on

749
00:13:07,477 --> 00:13:09,446
It's based on the death of

750
00:13:09,446 --> 00:13:09,599
those big projects, so

751
00:13:09,599 --> 00:13:09,913
i

752
00:13:09,913 --> 00:13:11,140
basically

753
00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:11,481
looked at the debt

754
00:13:11,481 --> 00:13:11,714
for like the

755
00:13:11,714 --> 00:13:12,215
wastewater

756
00:13:12,215 --> 00:13:13,683
treatment plant

757
00:13:13,683 --> 00:13:14,830
. And how much

758
00:13:14,830 --> 00:13:15,552
we would

759
00:13:15,552 --> 00:13:15,819
be able to

760
00:13:15,819 --> 00:13:16,520
take

761
00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:16,486
from

762
00:13:16,486 --> 00:13:17,620
impact fees

763
00:13:17,620 --> 00:13:18,288
to

764
00:13:18,288 --> 00:13:18,722
debt

765
00:13:18,722 --> 00:13:20,557
, and so as

766
00:13:20,557 --> 00:13:22,125
that debt grew, that's why

767
00:13:22,125 --> 00:13:22,892
they

768
00:13:22,892 --> 00:13:23,226
contribution from the impact

769
00:13:23,226 --> 00:13:24,394
fees

770
00:13:24,394 --> 00:13:24,794
grew the

771
00:13:24,794 --> 00:13:25,362
way the water was

772
00:13:25,362 --> 00:13:26,763
a little flatter

773
00:13:26,763 --> 00:13:27,330
. So my

774
00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:27,998
question is, where are the

775
00:13:27,998 --> 00:13:29,966
impact trees coming from

776
00:13:29,966 --> 00:13:30,433
?

777
00:13:30,433 --> 00:13:31,468
They're being

778
00:13:31,468 --> 00:13:33,468
collected in the

779
00:13:33,537 --> 00:13:33,890
service

780
00:13:33,890 --> 00:13:34,255
area

781
00:13:34,255 --> 00:13:34,588
and

782
00:13:34,588 --> 00:13:36,720
they're

783
00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:36,673
collecting that much more in

784
00:13:36,673 --> 00:13:37,158
the impact fees in the out

785
00:13:37,158 --> 00:13:38,410
years

786
00:13:38,410 --> 00:13:38,375
. I mean

787
00:13:38,375 --> 00:13:39,142
, that's what I'm

788
00:13:39,142 --> 00:13:40,770
trying to understand. I mean

789
00:13:40,770 --> 00:13:40,744
,

790
00:13:40,744 --> 00:13:42,312
that's a projection

791
00:13:42,312 --> 00:13:42,549
. I, I

792
00:13:42,549 --> 00:13:43,146
don't

793
00:13:43,146 --> 00:13:43,513
have a crystal ball as to how

794
00:13:43,513 --> 00:13:44,748
much we're

795
00:13:44,748 --> 00:13:45,248
gonna get in those

796
00:13:45,248 --> 00:13:45,649
years, but we

797
00:13:45,649 --> 00:13:47,184
are

798
00:13:47,184 --> 00:13:47,484
trending this

799
00:13:47,484 --> 00:13:48,218
year

800
00:13:48,218 --> 00:13:49,320
. We've collected over

801
00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:49,653
our

802
00:13:49,653 --> 00:13:49,920
budget

803
00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:50,153
. Ok

804
00:13:50,153 --> 00:13:51,254
, so

805
00:13:51,254 --> 00:13:51,554
that

806
00:13:51,554 --> 00:13:51,909
, that looks

807
00:13:51,909 --> 00:13:53,909
like

808
00:13:53,991 --> 00:13:54,291
, um, fy 28, we're looking

809
00:13:54,291 --> 00:13:56,291
at a

810
00:13:56,594 --> 00:13:56,927
a 25%

811
00:13:56,927 --> 00:13:58,950
increase

812
00:13:58,950 --> 00:13:58,395
over

813
00:13:58,395 --> 00:14:00,297
fy 27

814
00:14:00,297 --> 00:14:00,831
.

815
00:14:00,831 --> 00:14:01,198
Does that seem

816
00:14:01,198 --> 00:14:02,733
like a

817
00:14:02,733 --> 00:14:03,267
realistic

818
00:14:03,267 --> 00:14:05,168
growth projection

819
00:14:05,168 --> 00:14:05,670
? I believe so

820
00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:07,204
based on the

821
00:14:07,204 --> 00:14:07,471
, the

822
00:14:07,471 --> 00:14:08,105
subdivisions

823
00:14:08,105 --> 00:14:09,406
that, I mean, I have

824
00:14:09,406 --> 00:14:10,240
all the

825
00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:10,507
information of the memos that

826
00:14:10,507 --> 00:14:11,942
we

827
00:14:11,942 --> 00:14:12,609
have for the subdivision.

828
00:14:12,609 --> 00:14:13,844
There's, there's quite a

829
00:14:13,844 --> 00:14:14,445
few.

830
00:14:14,445 --> 00:14:14,745
Ok, so we're going to

831
00:14:14,745 --> 00:14:15,880
grow

832
00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:16,346
25%

833
00:14:16,346 --> 00:14:17,347
in that area

834
00:14:17,347 --> 00:14:19,347
. It's a projection

835
00:14:21,385 --> 00:14:22,720
And, and, and I, and I, and

836
00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:23,587
to

837
00:14:23,587 --> 00:14:25,422
me, based on, yeah, I know

838
00:14:25,422 --> 00:14:26,323
, but

839
00:14:26,323 --> 00:14:26,857
but I, I want to give him

840
00:14:26,857 --> 00:14:27,558
credit for to his

841
00:14:27,558 --> 00:14:27,691
point

842
00:14:27,691 --> 00:14:28,426
, so

843
00:14:28,426 --> 00:14:31,395
he's wondering, ok, what that

844
00:14:31,395 --> 00:14:31,997
looks like regarding our

845
00:14:31,997 --> 00:14:32,363
wastewater area and obviously

846
00:14:32,363 --> 00:14:33,630
our ccn

847
00:14:33,630 --> 00:14:33,664
there is much greater

848
00:14:33,664 --> 00:14:34,231
than it is our water

849
00:14:34,231 --> 00:14:34,348
. Um

850
00:14:34,348 --> 00:14:34,898
, if

851
00:14:34,898 --> 00:14:36,500
you go out there

852
00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:36,767
, even

853
00:14:36,767 --> 00:14:37,235
just

854
00:14:37,235 --> 00:14:37,634
going on

855
00:14:37,634 --> 00:14:38,936
Cameron Road

856
00:14:38,936 --> 00:14:39,803
, which

857
00:14:39,803 --> 00:14:41,380
pretty much 3/4 of the

858
00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:41,672
city

859
00:14:41,672 --> 00:14:41,972
doesn't even know exists. I

860
00:14:41,972 --> 00:14:43,340
mean

861
00:14:43,340 --> 00:14:43,774
, it's

862
00:14:43,774 --> 00:14:44,750
insane. Over here as

863
00:14:44,750 --> 00:14:45,576
well

864
00:14:45,576 --> 00:14:45,876
. You see a

865
00:14:45,876 --> 00:14:46,610
significant

866
00:14:46,610 --> 00:14:48,312
amount of increase regarding

867
00:14:48,312 --> 00:14:48,946
these actual subdivisions

868
00:14:48,946 --> 00:14:50,281
coming in and when

869
00:14:50,281 --> 00:14:50,815
they're

870
00:14:50,815 --> 00:14:51,215
coming online, what I

871
00:14:51,215 --> 00:14:52,183
anticipate

872
00:14:52,183 --> 00:14:52,917
and what I

873
00:14:52,917 --> 00:14:53,217
understand the staff is working

874
00:14:53,217 --> 00:14:54,718
with

875
00:14:54,718 --> 00:14:55,319
the developers, seeing

876
00:14:55,319 --> 00:14:55,786
when these units are actually

877
00:14:55,786 --> 00:14:56,887
coming online

878
00:14:56,887 --> 00:14:57,555
. What's the

879
00:14:57,555 --> 00:14:57,888
development schedule, and then

880
00:14:57,888 --> 00:14:58,856
making

881
00:14:58,856 --> 00:14:59,356
the

882
00:14:59,356 --> 00:14:59,657
actual

883
00:14:59,657 --> 00:15:00,570
summation on

884
00:15:00,570 --> 00:15:01,525
that, and

885
00:15:01,525 --> 00:15:02,126
I know that given the

886
00:15:02,126 --> 00:15:02,460
fact that some of the other

887
00:15:02,460 --> 00:15:03,661
things

888
00:15:03,661 --> 00:15:03,961
that are happening in

889
00:15:03,961 --> 00:15:04,228
that

890
00:15:04,228 --> 00:15:06,228
. Area

891
00:15:06,464 --> 00:15:07,310
, including ut

892
00:15:07,310 --> 00:15:08,990
University of Texas

893
00:15:08,990 --> 00:15:08,532
at Taylor,

894
00:15:08,532 --> 00:15:08,846
as well as

895
00:15:08,846 --> 00:15:10,670
what's

896
00:15:10,670 --> 00:15:10,634
happening

897
00:15:10,634 --> 00:15:11,135
growing at 290

898
00:15:11,135 --> 00:15:12,937
and 973

899
00:15:12,937 --> 00:15:13,604
, you're

900
00:15:13,604 --> 00:15:14,672
pressuring more units and

901
00:15:14,672 --> 00:15:15,340
more

902
00:15:15,340 --> 00:15:15,773
areas to come into in the

903
00:15:15,773 --> 00:15:17,410
growth area

904
00:15:17,410 --> 00:15:17,708
for that pattern.

905
00:15:17,708 --> 00:15:18,209
That's why we always have the

906
00:15:18,209 --> 00:15:19,844
conversation, to

907
00:15:19,844 --> 00:15:20,612
your point

908
00:15:20,612 --> 00:15:21,746
about 973

909
00:15:21,746 --> 00:15:22,860
because we know

910
00:15:22,860 --> 00:15:22,493
that

911
00:15:22,493 --> 00:15:23,581
that is going to be

912
00:15:23,581 --> 00:15:24,480
the

913
00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:24,682
next

914
00:15:24,682 --> 00:15:26,170
major zone

915
00:15:26,170 --> 00:15:26,350
that

916
00:15:26,350 --> 00:15:27,151
again free for

917
00:15:27,151 --> 00:15:28,686
service citizens have no idea

918
00:15:28,686 --> 00:15:29,487
about, but that's where the

919
00:15:29,487 --> 00:15:30,321
growth is coming from. Let me

920
00:15:30,321 --> 00:15:30,955
,

921
00:15:30,955 --> 00:15:31,389
let me ask you a question and

922
00:15:31,389 --> 00:15:33,257
make sure I

923
00:15:33,257 --> 00:15:33,931
understand the

924
00:15:33,931 --> 00:15:34,462
impact feline on this table.

925
00:15:34,462 --> 00:15:35,560
The

926
00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,227
Uh

927
00:15:36,227 --> 00:15:36,994
, the impact fees here

928
00:15:36,994 --> 00:15:37,461
,

929
00:15:37,461 --> 00:15:37,995
is that what

930
00:15:37,995 --> 00:15:38,523
we anticipate

931
00:15:38,523 --> 00:15:39,497
collecting from

932
00:15:39,497 --> 00:15:40,198
new development

933
00:15:40,198 --> 00:15:41,833
or is that how much we

934
00:15:41,833 --> 00:15:42,500
have

935
00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:42,700
in

936
00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:43,968
and call it reserves in

937
00:15:43,968 --> 00:15:44,569
our

938
00:15:44,569 --> 00:15:46,437
fund that we are

939
00:15:46,437 --> 00:15:47,138
applying

940
00:15:47,138 --> 00:15:48,540
towards the the rates

941
00:15:48,540 --> 00:15:48,829
it, it

942
00:15:48,829 --> 00:15:49,980
,

943
00:15:49,980 --> 00:15:49,407
it's

944
00:15:49,407 --> 00:15:50,875
not reserves

945
00:15:50,875 --> 00:15:51,475
, it's

946
00:15:51,475 --> 00:15:53,100
basically what we

947
00:15:53,100 --> 00:15:53,296
When we

948
00:15:53,296 --> 00:15:53,878
get

949
00:15:53,878 --> 00:15:55,346
impact fees in, we can

950
00:15:55,346 --> 00:15:55,613
do

951
00:15:55,613 --> 00:15:55,947
2

952
00:15:55,947 --> 00:15:56,347
things

953
00:15:56,347 --> 00:15:57,782
we

954
00:15:57,782 --> 00:15:58,316
can spend it on debt

955
00:15:58,316 --> 00:15:59,617
or we can spend

956
00:15:59,617 --> 00:15:59,949
it

957
00:15:59,949 --> 00:16:00,317
on

958
00:16:00,317 --> 00:16:00,636
projects

959
00:16:00,636 --> 00:16:00,907
.

960
00:16:00,907 --> 00:16:02,186
We've

961
00:16:02,186 --> 00:16:02,487
identified this

962
00:16:02,487 --> 00:16:02,788
amount

963
00:16:02,788 --> 00:16:04,289
from

964
00:16:04,289 --> 00:16:04,756
would

965
00:16:04,756 --> 00:16:05,123
bring

966
00:16:05,123 --> 00:16:06,390
in to, to

967
00:16:06,390 --> 00:16:06,691
put

968
00:16:06,691 --> 00:16:07,492
it

969
00:16:07,492 --> 00:16:08,793
towards debt so that we

970
00:16:08,793 --> 00:16:09,227
can

971
00:16:09,227 --> 00:16:09,627
factor it

972
00:16:09,627 --> 00:16:10,228
into these

973
00:16:10,228 --> 00:16:11,620
calculations. The

974
00:16:11,620 --> 00:16:11,562
rest of the

975
00:16:11,562 --> 00:16:11,830
money that we

976
00:16:11,830 --> 00:16:12,130
would receive

977
00:16:12,130 --> 00:16:13,464
over

978
00:16:13,464 --> 00:16:14,165
these amounts

979
00:16:14,165 --> 00:16:15,800
would be

980
00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:16,400
, um

981
00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,769
put towards projects

982
00:16:17,769 --> 00:16:18,370
. Ok. And

983
00:16:18,370 --> 00:16:18,803
when I see 5 million

984
00:16:18,803 --> 00:16:20,710
in

985
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:20,872
fiscal

986
00:16:20,872 --> 00:16:22,307
year 2029. I mean, that's

987
00:16:22,307 --> 00:16:23,740
a

988
00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:23,604
projection that's to more than

989
00:16:23,604 --> 00:16:24,943
2 years

990
00:16:24,943 --> 00:16:25,643
out right now. Is that

991
00:16:25,643 --> 00:16:26,744
a projection of what

992
00:16:26,744 --> 00:16:27,479
we

993
00:16:27,479 --> 00:16:27,957
anticipate we will collect or

994
00:16:27,957 --> 00:16:29,514
how much

995
00:16:29,514 --> 00:16:30,230
we will have that how

996
00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:31,750
much we

997
00:16:31,750 --> 00:16:32,317
are

998
00:16:32,317 --> 00:16:34,317
setting aside for

999
00:16:34,586 --> 00:16:34,986
Got you. Thank you. I think

1000
00:16:34,986 --> 00:16:35,821
that's an

1001
00:16:35,821 --> 00:16:36,454
important distinction

1002
00:16:36,454 --> 00:16:37,122
and I don't think, uh, I don't

1003
00:16:37,122 --> 00:16:38,923
think I was hearing that

1004
00:16:38,923 --> 00:16:40,625
earlier. I appreciate that. So

1005
00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:41,460
I

1006
00:16:41,460 --> 00:16:42,661
, um, found where I saw

1007
00:16:42,661 --> 00:16:43,361
the 10

1008
00:16:43,361 --> 00:16:43,812
million for the impact fees.

1009
00:16:43,812 --> 00:16:44,796
It's in

1010
00:16:44,796 --> 00:16:45,597
the

1011
00:16:45,597 --> 00:16:46,940
utility capital

1012
00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:47,365
fund

1013
00:16:47,365 --> 00:16:47,803
. And

1014
00:16:47,803 --> 00:16:48,285
so

1015
00:16:48,285 --> 00:16:49,167
based on

1016
00:16:49,167 --> 00:16:49,578
the

1017
00:16:49,578 --> 00:16:50,100
, the

1018
00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:51,537
explanation you just gave

1019
00:16:51,537 --> 00:16:51,970
. It

1020
00:16:51,970 --> 00:16:52,504
looks like

1021
00:16:52,504 --> 00:16:53,939
we're projecting

1022
00:16:53,939 --> 00:16:54,706
or

1023
00:16:54,706 --> 00:16:56,107
proposing that we're going to

1024
00:16:56,107 --> 00:16:56,491
receive

1025
00:16:56,491 --> 00:16:56,741
$10

1026
00:16:56,741 --> 00:16:57,750
million. So that's

1027
00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:58,610
revenue

1028
00:16:58,610 --> 00:16:59,400
. Yes

1029
00:16:59,400 --> 00:16:59,306
, but

1030
00:16:59,306 --> 00:17:00,679
this is

1031
00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:01,346
what

1032
00:17:01,346 --> 00:17:01,813
we just, what we just discussed

1033
00:17:01,813 --> 00:17:03,248
here, that is

1034
00:17:03,248 --> 00:17:03,648
how much

1035
00:17:03,648 --> 00:17:04,182
of our

1036
00:17:04,182 --> 00:17:05,150
impact fees that

1037
00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:05,614
we

1038
00:17:05,614 --> 00:17:06,170
have

1039
00:17:06,170 --> 00:17:07,185
collected that we are going

1040
00:17:07,185 --> 00:17:08,530
to

1041
00:17:08,530 --> 00:17:08,353
apply towards the debt, not,

1042
00:17:08,353 --> 00:17:09,788
not

1043
00:17:09,788 --> 00:17:10,222
our

1044
00:17:10,222 --> 00:17:10,823
revenue projection for

1045
00:17:10,823 --> 00:17:11,123
how much we would collect,

1046
00:17:11,123 --> 00:17:12,230
right

1047
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:12,314
, correct. So

1048
00:17:12,314 --> 00:17:12,691
then my

1049
00:17:12,691 --> 00:17:14,359
question is

1050
00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:14,860
. How did

1051
00:17:14,860 --> 00:17:16,594
we

1052
00:17:16,594 --> 00:17:17,295
determine that of the 10

1053
00:17:17,295 --> 00:17:18,597
million we were going to

1054
00:17:18,597 --> 00:17:19,410
use 8

1055
00:17:19,410 --> 00:17:19,498
towards

1056
00:17:19,498 --> 00:17:21,233
the debt and

1057
00:17:21,233 --> 00:17:21,933
2 for, I

1058
00:17:21,933 --> 00:17:23,201
guess, projects. Why

1059
00:17:23,201 --> 00:17:24,350
not use we

1060
00:17:24,350 --> 00:17:25,437
were trying to use as much as

1061
00:17:25,437 --> 00:17:25,737
we could

1062
00:17:25,737 --> 00:17:26,204
to

1063
00:17:26,204 --> 00:17:27,606
death based

1064
00:17:27,606 --> 00:17:28,990
on

1065
00:17:28,990 --> 00:17:28,570
the

1066
00:17:28,570 --> 00:17:29,975
debt on the schedule

1067
00:17:29,975 --> 00:17:30,509
, I mean, I

1068
00:17:30,509 --> 00:17:32,377
have to be

1069
00:17:32,377 --> 00:17:33,211
careful because I

1070
00:17:33,211 --> 00:17:34,813
have to be able to identify

1071
00:17:34,813 --> 00:17:35,118
this impact fee is paying for

1072
00:17:35,118 --> 00:17:35,520
this

1073
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,115
bond payment

1074
00:17:37,115 --> 00:17:37,716
, and so I was

1075
00:17:37,716 --> 00:17:38,950
trying

1076
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:39,518
to

1077
00:17:39,518 --> 00:17:40,118
identify those bond

1078
00:17:40,118 --> 00:17:41,520
payments that were

1079
00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:41,743
100

1080
00:17:41,743 --> 00:17:42,287
100%

1081
00:17:42,287 --> 00:17:43,455
related to these big

1082
00:17:43,455 --> 00:17:43,889
plant

1083
00:17:43,889 --> 00:17:44,219
projects, so

1084
00:17:44,219 --> 00:17:45,690
That

1085
00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:45,958
was my kind

1086
00:17:45,958 --> 00:17:46,491
of

1087
00:17:46,491 --> 00:17:47,893
my justification

1088
00:17:47,893 --> 00:17:48,961
for like I

1089
00:17:48,961 --> 00:17:49,896
can pinpoint here's the

1090
00:17:49,896 --> 00:17:50,562
amount

1091
00:17:50,562 --> 00:17:51,129
I'm bringing in and here's the

1092
00:17:51,129 --> 00:17:52,364
bond payment that's

1093
00:17:52,364 --> 00:17:52,789
related to

1094
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:53,349
that new

1095
00:17:53,349 --> 00:17:54,600
asset

1096
00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:55,201
. And why is it

1097
00:17:55,201 --> 00:17:55,667
important that you have to

1098
00:17:55,667 --> 00:17:57,336
identify that

1099
00:17:57,336 --> 00:17:57,803
? Because it's

1100
00:17:57,803 --> 00:17:59,370
restricted. I

1101
00:17:59,370 --> 00:17:59,671
, I can only use

1102
00:17:59,671 --> 00:18:01,473
those funds for those

1103
00:18:01,473 --> 00:18:02,307
, those

1104
00:18:02,307 --> 00:18:03,909
items. Ok, so what you're, so

1105
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:04,377
what I'm

1106
00:18:04,377 --> 00:18:04,816
hearing is

1107
00:18:04,816 --> 00:18:05,245
you've

1108
00:18:05,245 --> 00:18:07,245
identified

1109
00:18:08,180 --> 00:18:08,747
$8 million of debt

1110
00:18:08,747 --> 00:18:09,185
payments that can

1111
00:18:09,185 --> 00:18:10,282
be

1112
00:18:10,282 --> 00:18:10,983
applied

1113
00:18:10,983 --> 00:18:11,383
towards impact fees for new

1114
00:18:11,383 --> 00:18:12,685
growth. And

1115
00:18:12,685 --> 00:18:13,850
the

1116
00:18:13,850 --> 00:18:13,452
other 2 million

1117
00:18:13,452 --> 00:18:15,452
that we

1118
00:18:16,288 --> 00:18:17,220
are expecting, um

1119
00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:17,456
.

1120
00:18:17,456 --> 00:18:18,900
There's not

1121
00:18:18,900 --> 00:18:19,324
enough debt to use

1122
00:18:19,324 --> 00:18:19,770
it all

1123
00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:21,727
. For

1124
00:18:21,727 --> 00:18:22,395
. There's not enough

1125
00:18:22,395 --> 00:18:22,695
I mean there is, but you would

1126
00:18:22,695 --> 00:18:24,363
start

1127
00:18:24,363 --> 00:18:24,748
piecemealing it

1128
00:18:24,748 --> 00:18:25,640
across

1129
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:26,498
bonds, and I

1130
00:18:26,498 --> 00:18:27,100
was trying to just

1131
00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:28,234
be very clean with

1132
00:18:28,234 --> 00:18:28,634
my

1133
00:18:28,634 --> 00:18:30,536
projections

1134
00:18:30,536 --> 00:18:30,870
. And

1135
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:31,137
we've

1136
00:18:31,137 --> 00:18:31,704
already

1137
00:18:31,704 --> 00:18:33,500
committed some

1138
00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:33,672
projects to

1139
00:18:33,672 --> 00:18:35,800
impact fees, so I need

1140
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:35,708
to be

1141
00:18:35,708 --> 00:18:35,985
able to have a little bit

1142
00:18:35,985 --> 00:18:36,275
of

1143
00:18:36,275 --> 00:18:37,310
flexibility

1144
00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:37,776
to

1145
00:18:37,776 --> 00:18:38,178
finish out

1146
00:18:38,178 --> 00:18:38,510
those

1147
00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:39,845
projects

1148
00:18:39,845 --> 00:18:40,646
that we've said we're

1149
00:18:40,646 --> 00:18:44,846
going to use Imp impact fees on

1150
00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:48,870
But we could

1151
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:48,520
borrow debt

1152
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:49,255
for

1153
00:18:49,255 --> 00:18:49,555
those projects and then use

1154
00:18:49,555 --> 00:18:50,656
. I

1155
00:18:50,656 --> 00:18:51,257
,

1156
00:18:51,257 --> 00:18:51,663
I mean, there's, there's a

1157
00:18:51,663 --> 00:18:53,660
couple of

1158
00:18:53,660 --> 00:18:54,126
different ways

1159
00:18:54,126 --> 00:18:55,461
. I'm

1160
00:18:55,461 --> 00:18:57,461
just

1161
00:18:57,930 --> 00:18:58,731
, um, uh, well, ok, yeah

1162
00:18:58,731 --> 00:18:59,732
yeah all right, so, all

1163
00:18:59,732 --> 00:19:00,550
right

1164
00:19:00,550 --> 00:19:00,259
,

1165
00:19:00,259 --> 00:19:00,666
so there's

1166
00:19:00,666 --> 00:19:02,340
there's possibly

1167
00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:02,835
10

1168
00:19:02,835 --> 00:19:03,135
million in debt payments that

1169
00:19:03,135 --> 00:19:04,971
are

1170
00:19:04,971 --> 00:19:05,418
related to

1171
00:19:05,418 --> 00:19:05,768
growth projects

1172
00:19:05,768 --> 00:19:06,706
that are

1173
00:19:06,706 --> 00:19:07,273
on

1174
00:19:07,273 --> 00:19:07,573
our impact fee list

1175
00:19:07,573 --> 00:19:09,750
but

1176
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:09,575
they're not

1177
00:19:09,575 --> 00:19:09,909
cleanly in

1178
00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:11,310
a

1179
00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:12,110
specific um

1180
00:19:12,110 --> 00:19:13,412
And the

1181
00:19:13,412 --> 00:19:13,786
and the

1182
00:19:13,786 --> 00:19:14,380
10

1183
00:19:14,380 --> 00:19:15,448
million is an estimate as well

1184
00:19:15,448 --> 00:19:15,882
,

1185
00:19:15,882 --> 00:19:16,282
so I would

1186
00:19:16,282 --> 00:19:17,917
want to box

1187
00:19:17,917 --> 00:19:18,518
myself

1188
00:19:18,518 --> 00:19:18,885
in. Can, can you

1189
00:19:18,885 --> 00:19:20,620
clarify if

1190
00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:22,622
those are congruent, um

1191
00:19:22,622 --> 00:19:23,155
. Is

1192
00:19:23,155 --> 00:19:23,590
this 8 million

1193
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:25,258
coming out of

1194
00:19:25,258 --> 00:19:25,725
that $10 million or is this 8

1195
00:19:25,725 --> 00:19:26,926
million some

1196
00:19:26,926 --> 00:19:27,478
that has already

1197
00:19:27,478 --> 00:19:28,110
been collected

1198
00:19:28,110 --> 00:19:29,495
. Uh, no, it

1199
00:19:29,495 --> 00:19:29,962
would be out of

1200
00:19:29,962 --> 00:19:31,831
the purely out

1201
00:19:31,831 --> 00:19:32,298
of the estimate of what we're

1202
00:19:32,298 --> 00:19:33,933
gonna bring in

1203
00:19:33,933 --> 00:19:34,467
, yes. All right,

1204
00:19:34,467 --> 00:19:34,911
thank you. Do we

1205
00:19:34,911 --> 00:19:36,102
have balances

1206
00:19:36,102 --> 00:19:36,636
in our

1207
00:19:36,636 --> 00:19:37,270
impact fees for water

1208
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:38,538
and wastewater that

1209
00:19:38,538 --> 00:19:39,272
We

1210
00:19:39,272 --> 00:19:40,841
collected in the past that

1211
00:19:40,841 --> 00:19:41,340
could also be used

1212
00:19:41,340 --> 00:19:43,176
. We've

1213
00:19:43,176 --> 00:19:43,576
already transferred what's

1214
00:19:43,576 --> 00:19:44,811
available

1215
00:19:44,811 --> 00:19:45,612
. We've already

1216
00:19:45,612 --> 00:19:45,945
allocated all that, yes, ok, so

1217
00:19:45,945 --> 00:19:47,180
we've

1218
00:19:47,180 --> 00:19:47,480
used all

1219
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:47,747
of

1220
00:19:47,747 --> 00:19:48,247
our impact

1221
00:19:48,247 --> 00:19:49,582
fees that have

1222
00:19:49,582 --> 00:19:50,500
been

1223
00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:50,450
collected

1224
00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:51,918
already

1225
00:19:51,918 --> 00:19:53,918
assigned to projects

1226
00:19:54,654 --> 00:19:55,540
.

1227
00:19:55,540 --> 00:19:56,890
All right

1228
00:19:56,890 --> 00:19:58,890
, thank you

1229
00:19:58,925 --> 00:19:59,626
. Sorry

1230
00:19:59,626 --> 00:20:00,527
about that. Where were

1231
00:20:00,527 --> 00:20:01,270
we

1232
00:20:01,270 --> 00:20:01,192
? Ok

1233
00:20:01,192 --> 00:20:01,794
,

1234
00:20:01,794 --> 00:20:03,463
no problem. And I think the

1235
00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:03,779
only other item on this slide

1236
00:20:03,779 --> 00:20:05,498
is

1237
00:20:05,498 --> 00:20:05,932
just the replacements and

1238
00:20:05,932 --> 00:20:07,400
improvements

1239
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:07,734
, um, I do believe

1240
00:20:07,734 --> 00:20:08,434
there

1241
00:20:08,434 --> 00:20:10,103
were some questions as

1242
00:20:10,103 --> 00:20:10,503
far as where those amounts on

1243
00:20:10,503 --> 00:20:11,805
the revenue

1244
00:20:11,805 --> 00:20:12,505
requirement

1245
00:20:12,505 --> 00:20:12,776
schedule came from, so

1246
00:20:12,776 --> 00:20:14,776
those

1247
00:20:14,941 --> 00:20:15,508
aren't specifically tied to any

1248
00:20:15,508 --> 00:20:16,710
budget number

1249
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:17,110
that is the line

1250
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:17,511
item that

1251
00:20:17,511 --> 00:20:19,245
we use

1252
00:20:19,245 --> 00:20:19,713
, um, because

1253
00:20:19,713 --> 00:20:20,980
when we saw the

1254
00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:21,648
straight budget

1255
00:20:21,648 --> 00:20:23,617
items for each phase

1256
00:20:23,617 --> 00:20:24,510
, the

1257
00:20:24,510 --> 00:20:24,752
amount of

1258
00:20:24,752 --> 00:20:26,220
the rate increase

1259
00:20:26,220 --> 00:20:26,586
varied dramatically from year

1260
00:20:26,586 --> 00:20:27,887
to year

1261
00:20:27,887 --> 00:20:28,288
, from face to face, so

1262
00:20:28,288 --> 00:20:28,673
we use

1263
00:20:28,673 --> 00:20:30,190
. That

1264
00:20:30,190 --> 00:20:30,657
line

1265
00:20:30,657 --> 00:20:31,158
item to be

1266
00:20:31,158 --> 00:20:32,259
able to smooth

1267
00:20:32,259 --> 00:20:32,893
out that rate

1268
00:20:32,893 --> 00:20:33,193
increase so that you saw for

1269
00:20:33,193 --> 00:20:35,280
the

1270
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:35,662
water side an

1271
00:20:35,662 --> 00:20:36,896
even 5%

1272
00:20:36,896 --> 00:20:37,731
per

1273
00:20:37,731 --> 00:20:38,310
phase, and for the wastewater,

1274
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:39,866
and

1275
00:20:39,866 --> 00:20:41,670
even 16.5% per

1276
00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:41,268
phase

1277
00:20:41,268 --> 00:20:41,935
. So,

1278
00:20:41,935 --> 00:20:43,403
if we would make it to

1279
00:20:43,403 --> 00:20:44,700
be

1280
00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:44,313
actual capital projects

1281
00:20:44,313 --> 00:20:44,604
, then

1282
00:20:44,604 --> 00:20:46,206
the

1283
00:20:46,206 --> 00:20:46,473
first days would

1284
00:20:46,473 --> 00:20:46,645
be a

1285
00:20:46,645 --> 00:20:46,973
lot

1286
00:20:46,973 --> 00:20:48,375
lower, but

1287
00:20:48,375 --> 00:20:49,209
then you're going to

1288
00:20:49,209 --> 00:20:50,277
have, you know, for water

1289
00:20:50,277 --> 00:20:51,144
, for

1290
00:20:51,144 --> 00:20:51,578
example, you'll have like an 8%

1291
00:20:51,578 --> 00:20:52,780
in phase two

1292
00:20:52,780 --> 00:20:53,280
and then maybe a,

1293
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,548
you know, 10%

1294
00:20:54,548 --> 00:20:54,881
in

1295
00:20:54,881 --> 00:20:55,382
phase 3 and we

1296
00:20:55,382 --> 00:20:57,382
tried to make

1297
00:20:57,417 --> 00:20:58,850
it equal amongst

1298
00:20:58,850 --> 00:20:58,351
the phases. It's also building

1299
00:20:58,351 --> 00:20:59,353
in

1300
00:20:59,353 --> 00:20:59,686
. To

1301
00:20:59,686 --> 00:21:01,686
the rate

1302
00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:02,400
. Some funds

1303
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,990
for

1304
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:04,382
capital improvement, so it

1305
00:21:04,382 --> 00:21:06,930
serves

1306
00:21:06,930 --> 00:21:08,610
both purposes, yeah

1307
00:21:08,610 --> 00:21:08,862
.

1308
00:21:08,862 --> 00:21:09,229
Yeah, we start with like the

1309
00:21:09,229 --> 00:21:10,764
minimum

1310
00:21:10,764 --> 00:21:11,470
that you need

1311
00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:11,632
and then

1312
00:21:11,632 --> 00:21:12,733
work our way to smooth

1313
00:21:12,733 --> 00:21:13,433
over the

1314
00:21:13,433 --> 00:21:13,801
increases. I just wanted to and

1315
00:21:13,801 --> 00:21:15,168
when you

1316
00:21:15,168 --> 00:21:15,601
say minimum, what

1317
00:21:15,601 --> 00:21:15,836
we

1318
00:21:15,836 --> 00:21:17,137
need, what do you

1319
00:21:17,137 --> 00:21:17,771
mean by

1320
00:21:17,771 --> 00:21:18,235
minimal what we need

1321
00:21:18,235 --> 00:21:19,373
? Um

1322
00:21:19,373 --> 00:21:19,827
, so

1323
00:21:19,827 --> 00:21:20,374
for

1324
00:21:20,374 --> 00:21:22,443
capital projects, just for

1325
00:21:22,443 --> 00:21:23,710
whatever is in the budget

1326
00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:24,378
, um,

1327
00:21:24,378 --> 00:21:24,912
historically what you've spent,

1328
00:21:24,912 --> 00:21:25,712
we look at a number of

1329
00:21:25,712 --> 00:21:27,247
different factors, what you've

1330
00:21:27,247 --> 00:21:27,981
spent historically and what's

1331
00:21:27,981 --> 00:21:29,716
budgeted for the future. I'm

1332
00:21:29,716 --> 00:21:30,851
This is

1333
00:21:30,851 --> 00:21:31,273
a

1334
00:21:31,273 --> 00:21:31,852
very interesting

1335
00:21:31,852 --> 00:21:33,200
competition for a lot of

1336
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:33,653
two

1337
00:21:33,653 --> 00:21:34,288
people online and everybody

1338
00:21:34,288 --> 00:21:35,122
else will look later

1339
00:21:35,122 --> 00:21:35,399
on on

1340
00:21:35,399 --> 00:21:36,900
this

1341
00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:37,991
so that's why I was saying that

1342
00:21:37,991 --> 00:21:38,429
I want to make sure

1343
00:21:38,429 --> 00:21:38,795
they

1344
00:21:38,795 --> 00:21:39,168
understood what you meant by

1345
00:21:39,168 --> 00:21:40,661
that

1346
00:21:40,661 --> 00:21:42,629
. If that makes any sense

1347
00:21:42,629 --> 00:21:42,957
.

1348
00:21:42,957 --> 00:21:44,431
And

1349
00:21:44,431 --> 00:21:44,998
how often do you actually

1350
00:21:44,998 --> 00:21:45,432
get a counselor really

1351
00:21:45,432 --> 00:21:46,534
interested in

1352
00:21:46,534 --> 00:21:47,142
talking

1353
00:21:47,142 --> 00:21:47,480
about

1354
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,736
this. I

1355
00:21:48,736 --> 00:21:49,000
love talking

1356
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:49,330
about

1357
00:21:49,330 --> 00:21:51,330
numbers

1358
00:21:51,405 --> 00:21:51,803
. Me

1359
00:21:51,803 --> 00:21:53,803
too

1360
00:21:53,908 --> 00:21:54,378
. What? I know

1361
00:21:54,378 --> 00:21:55,510
we're

1362
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:57,510
all shocked

1363
00:21:57,978 --> 00:21:58,360
. Um

1364
00:21:58,360 --> 00:21:58,620
, and then

1365
00:21:58,620 --> 00:22:00,114
so

1366
00:22:00,114 --> 00:22:00,714
this is just

1367
00:22:00,714 --> 00:22:01,115
. In general,

1368
00:22:01,115 --> 00:22:02,383
there are

1369
00:22:02,383 --> 00:22:02,983
some for the water

1370
00:22:02,983 --> 00:22:04,952
side of a cost of

1371
00:22:04,952 --> 00:22:05,686
service study

1372
00:22:05,686 --> 00:22:06,754
um, this gets

1373
00:22:06,754 --> 00:22:07,245
a little into the

1374
00:22:07,245 --> 00:22:09,223
weeds, but the

1375
00:22:09,223 --> 00:22:09,723
cost allocations

1376
00:22:09,723 --> 00:22:11,250
their, for

1377
00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:11,526
a

1378
00:22:11,526 --> 00:22:12,260
water

1379
00:22:12,260 --> 00:22:13,427
system

1380
00:22:13,427 --> 00:22:14,610
is,

1381
00:22:14,610 --> 00:22:14,328
um, you apply, if you look in

1382
00:22:14,328 --> 00:22:16,960
the

1383
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:16,597
awwa manual, what's called

1384
00:22:16,597 --> 00:22:18,650
capacity factors

1385
00:22:18,650 --> 00:22:18,232
, so

1386
00:22:18,232 --> 00:22:18,766
you're

1387
00:22:18,766 --> 00:22:19,138
deterrent, it helps

1388
00:22:19,138 --> 00:22:20,568
you

1389
00:22:20,568 --> 00:22:21,335
determine what customers are

1390
00:22:21,335 --> 00:22:23,470
putting more of a stress on

1391
00:22:23,470 --> 00:22:23,972
your system than other

1392
00:22:23,972 --> 00:22:24,905
customers, and

1393
00:22:24,905 --> 00:22:25,239
these factors

1394
00:22:25,239 --> 00:22:25,673
help to

1395
00:22:25,673 --> 00:22:26,841
allocate those

1396
00:22:26,841 --> 00:22:27,475
costs so

1397
00:22:27,475 --> 00:22:27,941
that the customers that

1398
00:22:27,941 --> 00:22:29,677
are

1399
00:22:29,677 --> 00:22:30,378
putting more stress on your

1400
00:22:30,378 --> 00:22:31,512
system are the ones paying

1401
00:22:31,512 --> 00:22:32,146
. For

1402
00:22:32,146 --> 00:22:32,614
that. And so these are

1403
00:22:32,614 --> 00:22:33,881
the

1404
00:22:33,881 --> 00:22:34,749
assumptions

1405
00:22:34,749 --> 00:22:36,830
, um, mainly

1406
00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:36,751
based

1407
00:22:36,751 --> 00:22:38,319
on all the billing data

1408
00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:38,753
that we

1409
00:22:38,753 --> 00:22:39,287
received

1410
00:22:39,287 --> 00:22:40,421
from Tracy's team

1411
00:22:40,421 --> 00:22:41,289
, so

1412
00:22:41,289 --> 00:22:41,589
we analyze all that for the

1413
00:22:41,589 --> 00:22:43,570
test

1414
00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:43,924
here

1415
00:22:43,924 --> 00:22:44,292
, um, and looking at

1416
00:22:44,292 --> 00:22:46,127
those

1417
00:22:46,127 --> 00:22:47,595
. Highest months what

1418
00:22:47,595 --> 00:22:48,195
the

1419
00:22:48,195 --> 00:22:48,563
usage was for each

1420
00:22:48,563 --> 00:22:48,961
customer

1421
00:22:48,961 --> 00:22:49,997
class

1422
00:22:49,997 --> 00:22:50,331
, um, so in each, each of

1423
00:22:50,331 --> 00:22:52,660
these

1424
00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:52,400
customer classes, the

1425
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:52,900
ones

1426
00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:54,302
we were able

1427
00:22:54,302 --> 00:22:54,769
to adjust

1428
00:22:54,769 --> 00:22:55,203
, um

1429
00:22:55,203 --> 00:22:56,303
we threw out

1430
00:22:56,303 --> 00:22:56,971
the highest,

1431
00:22:56,971 --> 00:22:58,340
highest month because it

1432
00:22:58,340 --> 00:22:58,640
was

1433
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,574
a

1434
00:22:59,574 --> 00:23:00,775
significant outlier

1435
00:23:00,775 --> 00:23:01,443
compared to

1436
00:23:01,443 --> 00:23:01,743
the 2nd highest and 3rd

1437
00:23:01,743 --> 00:23:03,145
highest

1438
00:23:03,145 --> 00:23:03,844
month

1439
00:23:03,844 --> 00:23:05,747
, um, for residential and

1440
00:23:05,747 --> 00:23:06,314
commercial, and then also, and

1441
00:23:06,314 --> 00:23:07,448
then we compare that

1442
00:23:07,448 --> 00:23:08,116
to the

1443
00:23:08,116 --> 00:23:08,650
average so that you can see

1444
00:23:08,650 --> 00:23:10,284
what goes into

1445
00:23:10,284 --> 00:23:10,818
your flow, and

1446
00:23:10,818 --> 00:23:11,920
then who you need

1447
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,687
excess

1448
00:23:12,687 --> 00:23:12,903
capacity for because they're

1449
00:23:12,903 --> 00:23:13,254
,

1450
00:23:13,254 --> 00:23:14,288
they're causing

1451
00:23:14,288 --> 00:23:15,220
strain on the

1452
00:23:15,220 --> 00:23:16,424
system from those peak demands

1453
00:23:16,424 --> 00:23:16,991
.

1454
00:23:16,991 --> 00:23:17,325
Um, and then

1455
00:23:17,325 --> 00:23:18,960
the

1456
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,528
number other

1457
00:23:19,528 --> 00:23:20,277
things that go into that

1458
00:23:20,277 --> 00:23:21,229
calculation for

1459
00:23:21,229 --> 00:23:21,729
those factors

1460
00:23:21,729 --> 00:23:22,140
or the days of

1461
00:23:22,140 --> 00:23:22,997
water that

1462
00:23:22,997 --> 00:23:23,598
is

1463
00:23:23,598 --> 00:23:24,650
used per week, and then the

1464
00:23:24,650 --> 00:23:25,566
hours of water

1465
00:23:25,566 --> 00:23:26,130
per day

1466
00:23:26,130 --> 00:23:26,568
, um, and

1467
00:23:26,568 --> 00:23:27,735
then just noting

1468
00:23:27,735 --> 00:23:28,102
on

1469
00:23:28,102 --> 00:23:28,603
here that

1470
00:23:28,603 --> 00:23:30,104
because of the

1471
00:23:30,104 --> 00:23:30,625
agreement the

1472
00:23:30,625 --> 00:23:31,172
city has

1473
00:23:31,172 --> 00:23:33,740
with Manville

1474
00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:33,474
, um, we

1475
00:23:33,474 --> 00:23:34,910
show what

1476
00:23:34,910 --> 00:23:35,428
the cost to

1477
00:23:35,428 --> 00:23:35,943
serve

1478
00:23:35,943 --> 00:23:36,911
Manville are based on the

1479
00:23:36,911 --> 00:23:37,370
cost

1480
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:37,912
of

1481
00:23:37,912 --> 00:23:39,180
service allocation. However

1482
00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:39,614
,

1483
00:23:39,614 --> 00:23:40,381
that agreement

1484
00:23:40,381 --> 00:23:41,916
, um, specifies

1485
00:23:41,916 --> 00:23:42,250
that their rate cannot change,

1486
00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:43,584
um, and

1487
00:23:43,584 --> 00:23:43,990
I think

1488
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:44,188
it's

1489
00:23:44,188 --> 00:23:44,419
for 40

1490
00:23:44,419 --> 00:23:46,200
years, so

1491
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:46,921
. So

1492
00:23:46,921 --> 00:23:48,324
, um, they are

1493
00:23:48,324 --> 00:23:48,688
customers that are

1494
00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:49,570
subsidizing

1495
00:23:49,570 --> 00:23:50,458
the costs for

1496
00:23:50,458 --> 00:23:51,292
them, and so then

1497
00:23:51,292 --> 00:23:52,560
we show in the report

1498
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,194
how that

1499
00:23:53,194 --> 00:23:53,561
got allocated to the other

1500
00:23:53,561 --> 00:23:55,530
classes

1501
00:23:55,530 --> 00:23:57,465
. Um, and then just

1502
00:23:57,465 --> 00:23:58,233
for

1503
00:23:58,233 --> 00:23:59,935
residential from that

1504
00:23:59,935 --> 00:24:00,328
allocation of Manville's

1505
00:24:00,328 --> 00:24:01,837
revenue

1506
00:24:01,837 --> 00:24:02,223
being below the

1507
00:24:02,223 --> 00:24:02,494
costs

1508
00:24:02,494 --> 00:24:03,738
it

1509
00:24:03,738 --> 00:24:04,406
is

1510
00:24:04,406 --> 00:24:06,341
to serve them

1511
00:24:06,341 --> 00:24:07,800
. How that

1512
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,243
was allocated to the

1513
00:24:08,243 --> 00:24:08,978
other

1514
00:24:08,978 --> 00:24:09,380
customer classes based on input

1515
00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:10,879
from

1516
00:24:10,879 --> 00:24:12,447
management was to help

1517
00:24:12,447 --> 00:24:13,148
.

1518
00:24:13,148 --> 00:24:13,849
Reduce the impact to the

1519
00:24:13,849 --> 00:24:14,983
residential customers

1520
00:24:14,983 --> 00:24:15,350
, so more

1521
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:16,170
of that

1522
00:24:16,170 --> 00:24:17,719
was allocated to the

1523
00:24:17,719 --> 00:24:18,860
other customer classes in a

1524
00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:19,688
smaller

1525
00:24:19,688 --> 00:24:20,322
percentage was

1526
00:24:20,322 --> 00:24:21,756
allocated to residential

1527
00:24:21,756 --> 00:24:22,141
. So

1528
00:24:22,141 --> 00:24:22,624
,

1529
00:24:22,624 --> 00:24:24,259
on that, because I

1530
00:24:24,259 --> 00:24:24,893
was

1531
00:24:24,893 --> 00:24:25,196
surprised when I

1532
00:24:25,196 --> 00:24:25,573
saw that. Um

1533
00:24:25,573 --> 00:24:27,573
um

1534
00:24:28,363 --> 00:24:28,767
. Is

1535
00:24:28,767 --> 00:24:29,172
that

1536
00:24:29,172 --> 00:24:29,476
subsidy

1537
00:24:29,476 --> 00:24:29,988
been

1538
00:24:29,988 --> 00:24:30,732
consistent

1539
00:24:30,732 --> 00:24:31,167
in

1540
00:24:31,167 --> 00:24:31,767
previous years,

1541
00:24:31,767 --> 00:24:32,935
the, the way that it's

1542
00:24:32,935 --> 00:24:33,301
being

1543
00:24:33,301 --> 00:24:33,902
allocated

1544
00:24:33,902 --> 00:24:35,170
. Mostly it's

1545
00:24:35,170 --> 00:24:35,704
a

1546
00:24:35,704 --> 00:24:36,204
commercial and not to

1547
00:24:36,204 --> 00:24:37,472
residential, or

1548
00:24:37,472 --> 00:24:37,845
was

1549
00:24:37,845 --> 00:24:38,346
the

1550
00:24:38,346 --> 00:24:38,837
the

1551
00:24:38,837 --> 00:24:39,908
allocation in

1552
00:24:39,908 --> 00:24:40,575
this year changed

1553
00:24:40,575 --> 00:24:42,244
from how we did it before

1554
00:24:42,244 --> 00:24:42,670
. So

1555
00:24:42,670 --> 00:24:43,211
that

1556
00:24:43,211 --> 00:24:44,480
I would

1557
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:44,758
, I did not

1558
00:24:44,758 --> 00:24:45,140
do

1559
00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:45,347
the

1560
00:24:45,347 --> 00:24:46,715
prior

1561
00:24:46,715 --> 00:24:47,582
? Manville was built into

1562
00:24:47,582 --> 00:24:48,650
the rave model. I don't

1563
00:24:48,650 --> 00:24:49,284
know

1564
00:24:49,284 --> 00:24:49,647
that there was a specific, I

1565
00:24:49,647 --> 00:24:51,219
mean it

1566
00:24:51,219 --> 00:24:53,219
. Um

1567
00:24:54,122 --> 00:24:55,857
, We were running

1568
00:24:55,857 --> 00:24:56,391
the model with all the

1569
00:24:56,391 --> 00:24:58,930
information in it

1570
00:24:58,930 --> 00:24:58,671
, and then

1571
00:24:58,671 --> 00:24:59,278
setting the rates

1572
00:24:59,278 --> 00:25:00,229
to get

1573
00:25:00,229 --> 00:25:00,570
us

1574
00:25:00,570 --> 00:25:00,930
to

1575
00:25:00,930 --> 00:25:02,297
a revenue

1576
00:25:02,297 --> 00:25:03,980
requirement that we

1577
00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:05,267
needed. I don't know that it

1578
00:25:05,267 --> 00:25:06,680
was specifically allocated the

1579
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,235
way that Baker and Tilly did it

1580
00:25:07,235 --> 00:25:07,803
but

1581
00:25:07,803 --> 00:25:08,700
, and without doing a cost

1582
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:09,605
of

1583
00:25:09,605 --> 00:25:09,872
service study

1584
00:25:09,872 --> 00:25:10,205
, you

1585
00:25:10,205 --> 00:25:11,741
wouldn't

1586
00:25:11,741 --> 00:25:12,474
necessarily see that that's how

1587
00:25:12,474 --> 00:25:13,475
much they've been subsidizing

1588
00:25:13,475 --> 00:25:14,110
,

1589
00:25:14,110 --> 00:25:14,643
so you'd have to go back and

1590
00:25:14,643 --> 00:25:15,944
see the last time

1591
00:25:15,944 --> 00:25:16,367
the

1592
00:25:16,367 --> 00:25:16,979
city

1593
00:25:16,979 --> 00:25:17,980
actually did a full cost

1594
00:25:17,980 --> 00:25:18,880
of

1595
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,314
service study for allocating

1596
00:25:19,314 --> 00:25:20,249
those costs

1597
00:25:20,249 --> 00:25:20,515
to

1598
00:25:20,515 --> 00:25:21,216
see

1599
00:25:21,216 --> 00:25:22,651
what that

1600
00:25:22,651 --> 00:25:23,185
um

1601
00:25:23,185 --> 00:25:23,385
subsidization was

1602
00:25:23,385 --> 00:25:23,685
. So

1603
00:25:23,685 --> 00:25:25,187
do you

1604
00:25:25,187 --> 00:25:25,554
see this in

1605
00:25:25,554 --> 00:25:25,921
other cost of

1606
00:25:25,921 --> 00:25:27,322
service

1607
00:25:27,322 --> 00:25:27,590
studies

1608
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:27,890
you

1609
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:28,900
do

1610
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:28,391
. We do a

1611
00:25:28,391 --> 00:25:29,692
lot

1612
00:25:29,692 --> 00:25:29,925
, especially in

1613
00:25:29,925 --> 00:25:30,693
growing

1614
00:25:30,693 --> 00:25:31,694
communities where the customer

1615
00:25:31,694 --> 00:25:32,395
base

1616
00:25:32,395 --> 00:25:33,729
is changing quite a

1617
00:25:33,729 --> 00:25:34,430
bit

1618
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:34,763
that and haven't had one in

1619
00:25:34,763 --> 00:25:36,265
years

1620
00:25:36,265 --> 00:25:36,599
from when maybe their

1621
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:37,232
initial

1622
00:25:37,232 --> 00:25:38,767
rate structure

1623
00:25:38,767 --> 00:25:39,268
, um, was

1624
00:25:39,268 --> 00:25:40,936
outlined. So if

1625
00:25:40,936 --> 00:25:41,336
it's been a

1626
00:25:41,336 --> 00:25:42,700
, a

1627
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:43,405
long time since the cost of

1628
00:25:43,405 --> 00:25:43,813
service study is done. We see a

1629
00:25:43,813 --> 00:25:45,207
lot of

1630
00:25:45,207 --> 00:25:45,841
that subsidization and

1631
00:25:45,841 --> 00:25:46,304
trying to true up those rates

1632
00:25:46,304 --> 00:25:47,676
so

1633
00:25:47,676 --> 00:25:48,311
that the costs are being

1634
00:25:48,311 --> 00:25:48,788
paid by the customers that are

1635
00:25:48,788 --> 00:25:50,120
putting

1636
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:50,312
the biggest

1637
00:25:50,312 --> 00:25:50,610
impact on

1638
00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:52,381
the

1639
00:25:52,381 --> 00:25:52,915
system. How recent of a

1640
00:25:52,915 --> 00:25:54,784
trend is that

1641
00:25:54,784 --> 00:25:55,220
? It varies

1642
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:55,342
from

1643
00:25:55,342 --> 00:25:56,586
community

1644
00:25:56,586 --> 00:25:56,819
to community, but

1645
00:25:56,819 --> 00:25:57,254
We

1646
00:25:57,254 --> 00:25:58,554
do see it

1647
00:25:58,554 --> 00:25:58,954
very

1648
00:25:58,954 --> 00:25:59,388
often. So

1649
00:25:59,388 --> 00:25:59,755
how

1650
00:25:59,755 --> 00:26:01,123
often

1651
00:26:01,123 --> 00:26:01,457
would you

1652
00:26:01,457 --> 00:26:01,724
recommend that

1653
00:26:01,724 --> 00:26:03,259
a

1654
00:26:03,259 --> 00:26:03,693
city

1655
00:26:03,693 --> 00:26:04,160
updates their cost of

1656
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,594
service study

1657
00:26:05,594 --> 00:26:07,594
every month

1658
00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:07,930
. So

1659
00:26:07,930 --> 00:26:08,264
like 5

1660
00:26:08,264 --> 00:26:08,764
years

1661
00:26:08,764 --> 00:26:10,333
, 10 years, I

1662
00:26:10,333 --> 00:26:10,967
would

1663
00:26:10,967 --> 00:26:12,368
say probably at least

1664
00:26:12,368 --> 00:26:12,970
5 years,

1665
00:26:12,970 --> 00:26:13,570
uh, if you're a growing

1666
00:26:13,570 --> 00:26:14,204
community, especially

1667
00:26:14,204 --> 00:26:15,171
and you

1668
00:26:15,171 --> 00:26:17,106
know that those customer class

1669
00:26:17,106 --> 00:26:17,616
spaces are the the amount of

1670
00:26:17,616 --> 00:26:19,208
customers

1671
00:26:19,208 --> 00:26:19,447
in one class

1672
00:26:19,447 --> 00:26:19,875
or

1673
00:26:19,875 --> 00:26:21,377
another has changed

1674
00:26:21,377 --> 00:26:21,977
significantly, then I would

1675
00:26:21,977 --> 00:26:23,580
recommend doing it. Ok

1676
00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:24,820
, so

1677
00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:24,620
like

1678
00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:25,448
if you see

1679
00:26:25,448 --> 00:26:25,948
a

1680
00:26:25,948 --> 00:26:26,269
large increase

1681
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:26,767
in

1682
00:26:26,767 --> 00:26:27,950
multi-family

1683
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:28,618
. That

1684
00:26:28,618 --> 00:26:30,618
might be a

1685
00:26:30,653 --> 00:26:31,870
trigger to, to look at it again

1686
00:26:31,870 --> 00:26:33,870
And

1687
00:26:33,256 --> 00:26:33,741
here multi-family rate

1688
00:26:33,741 --> 00:26:35,525
design

1689
00:26:35,525 --> 00:26:36,125
is being classified as

1690
00:26:36,125 --> 00:26:38,125
commercial. Yes

1691
00:26:39,829 --> 00:26:41,829
. Thank you

1692
00:26:42,231 --> 00:26:44,231
. No

1693
00:26:44,534 --> 00:26:44,900
.

1694
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:46,200
Um, and

1695
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,936
then just on the

1696
00:26:46,936 --> 00:26:48,971
wastewater side, the way costs

1697
00:26:48,971 --> 00:26:51,441
are allocated, um, this is

1698
00:26:51,441 --> 00:26:51,841
based specifically on the

1699
00:26:51,841 --> 00:26:52,909
monthly

1700
00:26:52,909 --> 00:26:53,476
reports of operations

1701
00:26:53,476 --> 00:26:54,744
from your wastewater

1702
00:26:54,744 --> 00:26:55,780
treatment

1703
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:55,878
plant

1704
00:26:55,878 --> 00:26:57,480
, um, so those

1705
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:57,881
, uh, flow

1706
00:26:57,881 --> 00:26:58,281
,

1707
00:26:58,281 --> 00:26:59,682
the flow

1708
00:26:59,682 --> 00:27:00,316
, and

1709
00:27:00,316 --> 00:27:01,818
what it's costing

1710
00:27:01,818 --> 00:27:02,218
more to treat

1711
00:27:02,218 --> 00:27:02,785
that flow based

1712
00:27:02,785 --> 00:27:03,853
on your excessive

1713
00:27:03,853 --> 00:27:04,721
strength

1714
00:27:04,721 --> 00:27:05,255
surcharges, and so that's the

1715
00:27:05,255 --> 00:27:06,522
allocation between

1716
00:27:06,522 --> 00:27:06,890
just your,

1717
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:08,558
your flow

1718
00:27:08,558 --> 00:27:09,459
, your

1719
00:27:09,459 --> 00:27:10,693
, um, phosphorus

1720
00:27:10,693 --> 00:27:11,561
your

1721
00:27:11,561 --> 00:27:13,430
um biosolids, your

1722
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:14,630
suspended solids, those, those

1723
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:14,364
different items, it's just how

1724
00:27:14,364 --> 00:27:16,650
that

1725
00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:16,332
. It's allocated, um, and

1726
00:27:16,332 --> 00:27:17,801
then

1727
00:27:17,801 --> 00:27:18,234
for wastewater

1728
00:27:18,234 --> 00:27:19,569
specifically

1729
00:27:19,569 --> 00:27:19,803
, the

1730
00:27:19,803 --> 00:27:20,336
wholesale

1731
00:27:20,336 --> 00:27:20,904
customers based on their

1732
00:27:20,904 --> 00:27:22,238
agreement, the rates

1733
00:27:22,238 --> 00:27:22,772
cannot be

1734
00:27:22,772 --> 00:27:23,173
increased, so we

1735
00:27:23,173 --> 00:27:24,507
did

1736
00:27:24,507 --> 00:27:25,108
not show

1737
00:27:25,108 --> 00:27:26,476
an increase to any of

1738
00:27:26,476 --> 00:27:26,810
their

1739
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:27,410
rates

1740
00:27:27,410 --> 00:27:28,645
. And

1741
00:27:28,645 --> 00:27:29,212
then again

1742
00:27:29,212 --> 00:27:29,646
, also did

1743
00:27:29,646 --> 00:27:31,247
a, there's a

1744
00:27:31,247 --> 00:27:31,715
slight

1745
00:27:31,715 --> 00:27:32,148
subsidization between

1746
00:27:32,148 --> 00:27:33,116
residential

1747
00:27:33,116 --> 00:27:33,550
and

1748
00:27:33,550 --> 00:27:33,973
commercial just

1749
00:27:33,973 --> 00:27:35,819
to

1750
00:27:35,819 --> 00:27:36,520
help offset an increase for

1751
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:36,686
an

1752
00:27:36,686 --> 00:27:37,187
average residential user, um

1753
00:27:37,187 --> 00:27:38,288
but it's minimal

1754
00:27:38,288 --> 00:27:38,588
. And

1755
00:27:38,588 --> 00:27:38,955
that was

1756
00:27:38,955 --> 00:27:40,323
based on

1757
00:27:40,323 --> 00:27:40,682
the input from

1758
00:27:40,682 --> 00:27:41,157
utility

1759
00:27:41,157 --> 00:27:42,125
management to

1760
00:27:42,125 --> 00:27:42,425
, to

1761
00:27:42,425 --> 00:27:42,793
minimize the

1762
00:27:42,793 --> 00:27:43,260
impact to

1763
00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:44,628
residential

1764
00:27:44,628 --> 00:27:44,894
customers

1765
00:27:44,894 --> 00:27:45,528
So

1766
00:27:45,528 --> 00:27:46,496
, but previously

1767
00:27:46,496 --> 00:27:46,678
with

1768
00:27:46,678 --> 00:27:47,297
the

1769
00:27:47,297 --> 00:27:47,731
wastewater and how the rates

1770
00:27:47,731 --> 00:27:49,500
were scheduled

1771
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:50,934
. Was there

1772
00:27:50,934 --> 00:27:51,668
a

1773
00:27:51,668 --> 00:27:51,935
subsidy of commercial

1774
00:27:51,935 --> 00:27:53,703
from

1775
00:27:53,703 --> 00:27:54,700
residential. Yes

1776
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:54,338
. Yeah. And it

1777
00:27:54,338 --> 00:27:56,273
was

1778
00:27:56,273 --> 00:27:56,540
. Quite significant. Yeah,

1779
00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:58,441
so I

1780
00:27:58,441 --> 00:27:58,875
, I wasn't sure because the

1781
00:27:58,875 --> 00:27:59,176
number and the

1782
00:27:59,176 --> 00:27:59,943
report

1783
00:27:59,943 --> 00:28:00,277
was

1784
00:28:00,277 --> 00:28:00,544
almost

1785
00:28:00,544 --> 00:28:01,770
5

1786
00:28:01,770 --> 00:28:01,444
million and I wasn't,

1787
00:28:01,444 --> 00:28:02,412
you know

1788
00:28:02,412 --> 00:28:02,679
, but

1789
00:28:02,679 --> 00:28:03,180
that

1790
00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:05,180
was based on

1791
00:28:05,415 --> 00:28:05,749
this year's usage and the, you

1792
00:28:05,749 --> 00:28:06,883
know, in

1793
00:28:06,883 --> 00:28:07,250
the

1794
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:07,851
current rates, but

1795
00:28:07,851 --> 00:28:08,318
not, I didn't know if it

1796
00:28:08,318 --> 00:28:09,386
changed a lot

1797
00:28:09,386 --> 00:28:09,786
from the previous

1798
00:28:09,786 --> 00:28:10,120
year and

1799
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:11,588
that

1800
00:28:11,588 --> 00:28:12,255
was similar to

1801
00:28:12,255 --> 00:28:12,556
what it would have been in the

1802
00:28:12,556 --> 00:28:13,723
last

1803
00:28:13,723 --> 00:28:14,224
few years

1804
00:28:14,224 --> 00:28:14,591
. So specifically

1805
00:28:14,591 --> 00:28:16,591
based on

1806
00:28:17,706 --> 00:28:17,842
um the question that

1807
00:28:17,842 --> 00:28:18,329
you had sent earlier today

1808
00:28:18,329 --> 00:28:18,929
, the

1809
00:28:18,929 --> 00:28:20,697
um, that

1810
00:28:20,697 --> 00:28:21,331
last schedule, it's

1811
00:28:21,331 --> 00:28:21,932
kind of an apples to oranges

1812
00:28:21,932 --> 00:28:23,330
because it's prepared

1813
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:23,534
, it's

1814
00:28:23,534 --> 00:28:25,269
comparing

1815
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:25,769
the proposed

1816
00:28:25,769 --> 00:28:26,270
.

1817
00:28:26,270 --> 00:28:27,137
Structure to

1818
00:28:27,137 --> 00:28:27,404
the

1819
00:28:27,404 --> 00:28:28,138
existing

1820
00:28:28,138 --> 00:28:29,340
rights, but when I apply

1821
00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:29,740
the

1822
00:28:29,740 --> 00:28:30,307
across the

1823
00:28:30,307 --> 00:28:30,641
board percentage

1824
00:28:30,641 --> 00:28:31,541
increase

1825
00:28:31,541 --> 00:28:31,808
to

1826
00:28:31,808 --> 00:28:32,209
the

1827
00:28:32,209 --> 00:28:32,576
existing rates.

1828
00:28:32,576 --> 00:28:34,344
It's still

1829
00:28:34,344 --> 00:28:34,845
, that gives you like

1830
00:28:34,845 --> 00:28:35,212
a true cost of

1831
00:28:35,212 --> 00:28:36,313
like in

1832
00:28:36,313 --> 00:28:36,947
our

1833
00:28:36,947 --> 00:28:38,615
projections, what the

1834
00:28:38,615 --> 00:28:38,849
subsidy

1835
00:28:38,849 --> 00:28:39,484
,

1836
00:28:39,484 --> 00:28:41,418
what commercial would be

1837
00:28:41,418 --> 00:28:42,190
residential would be subsidized

1838
00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:43,453
and commercial

1839
00:28:43,453 --> 00:28:44,121
, um, if the rate

1840
00:28:44,121 --> 00:28:44,421
structure didn't change and it

1841
00:28:44,421 --> 00:28:45,556
was

1842
00:28:45,556 --> 00:28:45,923
, I, I think it was

1843
00:28:45,923 --> 00:28:47,591
about

1844
00:28:47,591 --> 00:28:48,920
4.5 million

1845
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:48,358
. I wrote it, so it

1846
00:28:48,358 --> 00:28:50,358
was

1847
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,161
4.9 with the existing rate

1848
00:28:51,161 --> 00:28:52,396
structure, but if you increase

1849
00:28:52,396 --> 00:28:54,298
the rates by the

1850
00:28:54,298 --> 00:28:54,898
. Increase

1851
00:28:54,898 --> 00:28:55,299
needed across the board, then

1852
00:28:55,299 --> 00:28:57,134
it's 4.5

1853
00:28:57,134 --> 00:28:57,568
. So that's, that's

1854
00:28:57,568 --> 00:28:58,535
pretty large

1855
00:28:58,535 --> 00:28:59,337
, so

1856
00:28:59,337 --> 00:28:59,670
. This change

1857
00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:01,720
in the

1858
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,600
rate structure that

1859
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,941
we're, that's being proposed is

1860
00:29:03,941 --> 00:29:04,241
going to, I mean, we, we, you

1861
00:29:04,241 --> 00:29:05,943
know

1862
00:29:05,943 --> 00:29:06,710
, felt it, right, but now

1863
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:07,544
we have some numbers of

1864
00:29:07,544 --> 00:29:07,811
how

1865
00:29:07,811 --> 00:29:08,812
much

1866
00:29:08,812 --> 00:29:10,682
was actually being

1867
00:29:10,682 --> 00:29:11,248
subsidized by residential, and

1868
00:29:11,248 --> 00:29:12,350
now it's more

1869
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:12,816
equitable based

1870
00:29:12,816 --> 00:29:14,652
on usage

1871
00:29:14,652 --> 00:29:15,110
based on, on

1872
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:15,386
the

1873
00:29:15,386 --> 00:29:15,820
pressures that each class is

1874
00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:16,820
putting on

1875
00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:18,820
your system

1876
00:29:19,790 --> 00:29:21,125
. So you

1877
00:29:21,125 --> 00:29:22,600
,

1878
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,694
so I updated that for we at

1879
00:29:23,694 --> 00:29:24,161
least believe that because

1880
00:29:24,161 --> 00:29:24,896
remember we had that

1881
00:29:24,896 --> 00:29:25,930
conversation about what's going

1882
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,832
to happen with

1883
00:29:27,832 --> 00:29:28,465
. Apartment

1884
00:29:28,465 --> 00:29:28,701
complex. Yeah, so, yeah

1885
00:29:28,701 --> 00:29:28,966
, so

1886
00:29:28,966 --> 00:29:30,568
then

1887
00:29:30,568 --> 00:29:30,968
this might have been, it

1888
00:29:30,968 --> 00:29:31,335
might have

1889
00:29:31,335 --> 00:29:32,470
changed as

1890
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:33,171
the

1891
00:29:33,171 --> 00:29:34,872
housing or as the mix

1892
00:29:34,872 --> 00:29:35,640
of

1893
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,441
customers classes

1894
00:29:37,441 --> 00:29:38,142
changed with

1895
00:29:38,142 --> 00:29:39,277
more and I and I think

1896
00:29:39,277 --> 00:29:39,877
chewing

1897
00:29:39,877 --> 00:29:42,380
up the so that not

1898
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:42,947
. Every

1899
00:29:42,947 --> 00:29:43,848
customer meter size

1900
00:29:43,848 --> 00:29:44,582
has the

1901
00:29:44,582 --> 00:29:46,684
same base charge as what's

1902
00:29:46,684 --> 00:29:47,180
helping to even more align the

1903
00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:48,519
costs

1904
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:50,388
with the customer

1905
00:29:50,388 --> 00:29:50,988
. Thank

1906
00:29:50,988 --> 00:29:52,988
you. You're welcome

1907
00:29:55,159 --> 00:29:55,960
. And then I

1908
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,361
think you've seen all these

1909
00:29:56,361 --> 00:29:57,561
before, but

1910
00:29:57,561 --> 00:29:58,296
again, we just have

1911
00:29:58,296 --> 00:29:59,998
the present and proposed rates

1912
00:29:59,998 --> 00:30:00,398
.

1913
00:30:00,398 --> 00:30:00,731
Here, so

1914
00:30:00,731 --> 00:30:01,766
that's a

1915
00:30:01,766 --> 00:30:02,433
, if you want

1916
00:30:02,433 --> 00:30:02,733
us to go through all of them,

1917
00:30:02,733 --> 00:30:04,235
we can

1918
00:30:04,235 --> 00:30:04,969
. Did anything change

1919
00:30:04,969 --> 00:30:05,970
from the last, because when

1920
00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:06,570
I

1921
00:30:06,570 --> 00:30:06,826
looked at the last one

1922
00:30:06,826 --> 00:30:08,540
and

1923
00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:09,140
the

1924
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:09,807
costs there were, it seemed

1925
00:30:09,807 --> 00:30:10,241
like there might have been some

1926
00:30:10,241 --> 00:30:10,775
minor changes

1927
00:30:10,775 --> 00:30:11,150
, or is

1928
00:30:11,150 --> 00:30:11,443
this the

1929
00:30:11,443 --> 00:30:11,709
same as what

1930
00:30:11,709 --> 00:30:13,244
was

1931
00:30:13,244 --> 00:30:13,878
left from when

1932
00:30:13,878 --> 00:30:15,146
you were here in

1933
00:30:15,146 --> 00:30:15,480
the

1934
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:15,980
rates did

1935
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:16,280
not

1936
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,815
change

1937
00:30:17,815 --> 00:30:18,175
. The yeah, the only

1938
00:30:18,175 --> 00:30:18,683
rate

1939
00:30:18,683 --> 00:30:20,351
that changed

1940
00:30:20,351 --> 00:30:20,618
was Lakeside

1941
00:30:20,618 --> 00:30:22,618
mud

1942
00:30:22,754 --> 00:30:23,287
, um, but it did not end the

1943
00:30:23,287 --> 00:30:24,422
change so that we

1944
00:30:24,422 --> 00:30:24,722
netted out

1945
00:30:24,722 --> 00:30:25,560
,

1946
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,724
um, what

1947
00:30:26,724 --> 00:30:27,292
was

1948
00:30:27,292 --> 00:30:27,859
paid to Anville

1949
00:30:27,859 --> 00:30:28,893
for that community

1950
00:30:28,893 --> 00:30:29,560
and the

1951
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:29,735
revenues since they're since

1952
00:30:29,735 --> 00:30:30,161
.

1953
00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:31,290
Lugerville just

1954
00:30:31,290 --> 00:30:31,663
serves as kind

1955
00:30:31,663 --> 00:30:33,665
of a pass through and

1956
00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:34,165
collecting the revenues for

1957
00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:35,567
that community

1958
00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:36,267
, um, so it

1959
00:30:36,267 --> 00:30:36,601
changed their rate slightly,

1960
00:30:36,601 --> 00:30:38,202
but it

1961
00:30:38,202 --> 00:30:38,703
did not impact any of

1962
00:30:38,703 --> 00:30:40,703
the other rates

1963
00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:43,507
. That's really

1964
00:30:43,507 --> 00:30:44,576
all

1965
00:30:44,576 --> 00:30:44,842
we

1966
00:30:44,842 --> 00:30:45,543
have

1967
00:30:45,543 --> 00:30:46,678
for presentation

1968
00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:47,312
.

1969
00:30:47,312 --> 00:30:47,979
Let me, let me ask you about

1970
00:30:47,979 --> 00:30:48,246
that. You mentioned Manville

1971
00:30:48,246 --> 00:30:48,880
and

1972
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,614
the

1973
00:30:49,614 --> 00:30:50,140
pass-through rates. Uh,

1974
00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:51,616
is there a

1975
00:30:51,616 --> 00:30:52,116
risk factor built

1976
00:30:52,116 --> 00:30:52,650
into that? Is there a

1977
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:53,551
collection factor

1978
00:30:53,551 --> 00:30:53,852
built into

1979
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:55,852
that

1980
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,521
? Um

1981
00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:58,523
, I guess I don't know

1982
00:30:58,523 --> 00:30:59,900
how the collection site, like

1983
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:00,425
when you pay it out

1984
00:31:00,425 --> 00:31:00,858
, if you

1985
00:31:00,858 --> 00:31:02,858
just look at

1986
00:31:03,128 --> 00:31:03,595
the

1987
00:31:03,595 --> 00:31:05,263
collections we

1988
00:31:05,263 --> 00:31:05,930
build or are we paying out what

1989
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:06,171
we were supposed to collect or

1990
00:31:06,171 --> 00:31:07,565
we

1991
00:31:07,565 --> 00:31:08,233
paying out what

1992
00:31:08,233 --> 00:31:08,466
we actually

1993
00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:09,601
my

1994
00:31:09,601 --> 00:31:10,680
question if you just pay out

1995
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,937
what you

1996
00:31:11,937 --> 00:31:12,237
actually collected or

1997
00:31:12,237 --> 00:31:12,537
if you

1998
00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:14,537
paid

1999
00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:16,700
out of

2000
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:16,147
folks

2001
00:31:16,147 --> 00:31:16,708
who

2002
00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:18,310
didn't pay their bill

2003
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:18,610
. I'm

2004
00:31:18,610 --> 00:31:19,210
not

2005
00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:20,612
familiar with that. I

2006
00:31:20,612 --> 00:31:21,280
don't

2007
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:21,780
personally do that building. Um

2008
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:22,981
I know there's

2009
00:31:22,981 --> 00:31:23,281
a fee

2010
00:31:23,281 --> 00:31:23,782
that

2011
00:31:23,782 --> 00:31:25,383
we

2012
00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:25,683
collect as part

2013
00:31:25,683 --> 00:31:27,285
of

2014
00:31:27,285 --> 00:31:27,920
just doing

2015
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,721
the

2016
00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:30,422
service and my

2017
00:31:30,422 --> 00:31:30,722
understanding is the rest of it

2018
00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:32,900
is a

2019
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:32,524
pass

2020
00:31:32,524 --> 00:31:32,992
through, so we're

2021
00:31:32,992 --> 00:31:34,326
able to keep

2022
00:31:34,326 --> 00:31:34,693
. The

2023
00:31:34,693 --> 00:31:34,993
portion

2024
00:31:34,993 --> 00:31:36,328
that's

2025
00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:36,695
um in the

2026
00:31:36,695 --> 00:31:36,928
agreement for

2027
00:31:36,928 --> 00:31:38,928
us

2028
00:31:39,431 --> 00:31:40,966
. That's

2029
00:31:40,966 --> 00:31:41,300
that's encouraging

2030
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:41,533
.

2031
00:31:41,533 --> 00:31:43,101
So

2032
00:31:43,101 --> 00:31:43,568
these have been

2033
00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:43,869
communicated

2034
00:31:43,869 --> 00:31:45,869
out

2035
00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:46,338
the informal direction I

2036
00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:47,940
received at our

2037
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:48,106
last meeting

2038
00:31:48,106 --> 00:31:48,674
,

2039
00:31:48,674 --> 00:31:49,400
um, so residents are aware

2040
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,750
they're

2041
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:50,509
on notice of

2042
00:31:50,509 --> 00:31:51,100
these of

2043
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:52,778
these changes

2044
00:31:52,778 --> 00:31:54,346
. So if there's

2045
00:31:54,346 --> 00:31:55,130
I

2046
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:55,381
did have a couple other

2047
00:31:55,381 --> 00:31:56,848
questions

2048
00:31:56,848 --> 00:31:57,101
that I sent in

2049
00:31:57,101 --> 00:31:57,616
the

2050
00:31:57,616 --> 00:31:58,951
email that I don't think

2051
00:31:58,951 --> 00:31:59,284
think

2052
00:31:59,284 --> 00:31:59,751
covered

2053
00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:01,120
, um, in the

2054
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,587
, the water

2055
00:32:01,587 --> 00:32:01,920
cost of service

2056
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,755
. The

2057
00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:04,323
net

2058
00:32:04,323 --> 00:32:05,791
revenue requirements

2059
00:32:05,791 --> 00:32:06,910
? Were

2060
00:32:06,910 --> 00:32:06,725
um

2061
00:32:06,725 --> 00:32:07,860
different than what is

2062
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:08,393
in our

2063
00:32:08,393 --> 00:32:08,627
budget, so it

2064
00:32:08,627 --> 00:32:10,128
was

2065
00:32:10,128 --> 00:32:10,896
like 37.5

2066
00:32:10,896 --> 00:32:12,731
million, but our

2067
00:32:12,731 --> 00:32:13,432
budget is 35

2068
00:32:13,432 --> 00:32:13,666
.

2069
00:32:13,666 --> 00:32:15,200
So

2070
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,434
, um, just, but

2071
00:32:15,434 --> 00:32:17,202
the

2072
00:32:17,202 --> 00:32:17,703
wastewater matched exactly, so

2073
00:32:17,703 --> 00:32:19,571
I wasn't sure

2074
00:32:19,571 --> 00:32:21,240
the reason

2075
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:21,941
. I

2076
00:32:21,941 --> 00:32:23,909
mean, obviously it's better

2077
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:24,577
. So

2078
00:32:24,577 --> 00:32:25,778
what the number that

2079
00:32:25,778 --> 00:32:26,445
you're

2080
00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:26,712
saying matched was the

2081
00:32:26,712 --> 00:32:28,547
net

2082
00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:28,880
revenue requirements

2083
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:29,348
, not

2084
00:32:29,348 --> 00:32:30,616
necessarily the

2085
00:32:30,616 --> 00:32:31,150
total

2086
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:31,651
annual

2087
00:32:31,651 --> 00:32:33,385
revenues that

2088
00:32:33,385 --> 00:32:33,686
we

2089
00:32:33,686 --> 00:32:33,986
would

2090
00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:34,520
project.

2091
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,721
So when you look

2092
00:32:35,721 --> 00:32:37,356
at the water

2093
00:32:37,356 --> 00:32:37,957
.

2094
00:32:37,957 --> 00:32:39,391
The 35 7 is

2095
00:32:39,391 --> 00:32:39,692
the

2096
00:32:39,692 --> 00:32:40,920
total revenue

2097
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,920
that this

2098
00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:42,594
is generating that

2099
00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:43,930
this rate

2100
00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:44,296
study is

2101
00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:44,730
generating.

2102
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:46,231
So we're

2103
00:32:46,231 --> 00:32:46,932
already projecting

2104
00:32:46,932 --> 00:32:48,234
that we're going to be under

2105
00:32:48,234 --> 00:32:48,634
.

2106
00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:49,101
Collected

2107
00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:50,535
. So

2108
00:32:50,535 --> 00:32:50,836
the

2109
00:32:50,836 --> 00:32:51,303
357 is what

2110
00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:53,703
we put in the

2111
00:32:53,773 --> 00:32:54,607
budget or close

2112
00:32:54,607 --> 00:32:55,207
to it, because there's a just

2113
00:32:55,207 --> 00:32:55,908
there's a

2114
00:32:55,908 --> 00:32:56,275
difference between

2115
00:32:56,275 --> 00:32:57,676
what the

2116
00:32:57,676 --> 00:32:58,344
rates will collect and

2117
00:32:58,344 --> 00:32:59,845
what wholesale we'll collect

2118
00:32:59,845 --> 00:33:00,246
.

2119
00:33:00,246 --> 00:33:01,880
Um, on

2120
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,314
the

2121
00:33:02,314 --> 00:33:02,748
wastewater side, I

2122
00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:04,150
mean, I did

2123
00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:04,436
use

2124
00:33:04,436 --> 00:33:04,775
a

2125
00:33:04,775 --> 00:33:05,184
judgment. If

2126
00:33:05,184 --> 00:33:06,519
if I would have put

2127
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:07,286
the 22.4

2128
00:33:07,286 --> 00:33:08,521
that's in this, in this

2129
00:33:08,521 --> 00:33:10,521
, um

2130
00:33:10,923 --> 00:33:11,524
.

2131
00:33:11,524 --> 00:33:11,790
Study, we would have

2132
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:13,590
been

2133
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:13,826
going

2134
00:33:13,826 --> 00:33:15,327
backwards a couple of million

2135
00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:15,595
.

2136
00:33:15,595 --> 00:33:16,562
Um

2137
00:33:16,562 --> 00:33:18,640
, So I kind

2138
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:18,864
of made the

2139
00:33:18,864 --> 00:33:20,600
assumption that we might be

2140
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,200
able to make up some of this

2141
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,303
gain between the total

2142
00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:24,937
revenue

2143
00:33:24,937 --> 00:33:25,705
requirement and the total

2144
00:33:25,705 --> 00:33:27,720
annual revenues, it's still

2145
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:27,506
a

2146
00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:29,308
budget

2147
00:33:29,308 --> 00:33:30,430
, you know, we MAY not

2148
00:33:30,430 --> 00:33:31,443
make it to the 26th

2149
00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:31,944
1, but that

2150
00:33:31,944 --> 00:33:32,278
was kind of my

2151
00:33:32,278 --> 00:33:32,612
justification

2152
00:33:32,612 --> 00:33:33,646
for not

2153
00:33:33,646 --> 00:33:34,247
going all the way back

2154
00:33:34,247 --> 00:33:36,150
down to the 224

2155
00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:36,582
. I mean

2156
00:33:36,582 --> 00:33:38,217
, we're

2157
00:33:38,217 --> 00:33:38,784
even projecting, I

2158
00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:40,220
think 26

2159
00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:41,200
this year

2160
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,421
. Oh, I

2161
00:33:42,421 --> 00:33:42,755
, I

2162
00:33:42,755 --> 00:33:43,523
thought the

2163
00:33:43,523 --> 00:33:44,757
net revenue requirements

2164
00:33:44,757 --> 00:33:45,424
was

2165
00:33:45,424 --> 00:33:45,691
what was being used the

2166
00:33:45,691 --> 00:33:45,958
bottom

2167
00:33:45,958 --> 00:33:47,360
one

2168
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:47,627
, not the top one. It's

2169
00:33:47,627 --> 00:33:48,128
the

2170
00:33:48,128 --> 00:33:49,395
bottom number

2171
00:33:49,395 --> 00:33:49,662
, the

2172
00:33:49,662 --> 00:33:50,496
total

2173
00:33:50,496 --> 00:33:51,898
revenues available. Ok

2174
00:33:51,898 --> 00:33:52,698
. I

2175
00:33:52,698 --> 00:33:54,668
thought that was the one we had

2176
00:33:54,668 --> 00:33:56,200
to use or that was

2177
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:56,702
being used

2178
00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:56,937
as saying this is what we need

2179
00:33:56,937 --> 00:33:58,437
to

2180
00:33:58,437 --> 00:33:58,938
. Well, I guess

2181
00:33:58,938 --> 00:34:00,340
from the

2182
00:34:00,340 --> 00:34:01,207
net

2183
00:34:01,207 --> 00:34:01,541
revenue requirement, so I

2184
00:34:01,541 --> 00:34:03,210
thought

2185
00:34:03,210 --> 00:34:03,943
that's what we were

2186
00:34:03,943 --> 00:34:05,178
they're phasing it

2187
00:34:05,178 --> 00:34:05,912
in so

2188
00:34:05,912 --> 00:34:07,280
they're not assuming

2189
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:07,947
that in

2190
00:34:07,947 --> 00:34:08,147
year one we're going to

2191
00:34:08,147 --> 00:34:08,514
collect

2192
00:34:08,514 --> 00:34:09,315
everything

2193
00:34:09,315 --> 00:34:09,582
we

2194
00:34:09,582 --> 00:34:09,882
need

2195
00:34:09,882 --> 00:34:10,416
. They're

2196
00:34:10,416 --> 00:34:11,751
phasing that in

2197
00:34:11,751 --> 00:34:12,180
over 5

2198
00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:12,452
years. I

2199
00:34:12,452 --> 00:34:14,220
think on the

2200
00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:14,687
water side

2201
00:34:14,687 --> 00:34:16,389
because

2202
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:16,623
the way we

2203
00:34:16,623 --> 00:34:16,990
use

2204
00:34:16,990 --> 00:34:17,257
the replacements

2205
00:34:17,257 --> 00:34:18,791
and

2206
00:34:18,791 --> 00:34:19,258
improvements to help smooth

2207
00:34:19,258 --> 00:34:20,527
out those

2208
00:34:20,527 --> 00:34:20,927
rate

2209
00:34:20,927 --> 00:34:21,194
increases

2210
00:34:21,194 --> 00:34:21,494
. We

2211
00:34:21,494 --> 00:34:23,960
made

2212
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:23,897
, we increased the

2213
00:34:23,897 --> 00:34:25,598
replacements and increased

2214
00:34:25,598 --> 00:34:26,132
improvements line items, so

2215
00:34:26,132 --> 00:34:27,467
that's why it's at

2216
00:34:27,467 --> 00:34:28,340
the 37

2217
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:28,535
million rather than

2218
00:34:28,535 --> 00:34:28,802
. 35 million

2219
00:34:28,802 --> 00:34:30,703
so

2220
00:34:30,703 --> 00:34:31,400
that we could do

2221
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:31,805
the

2222
00:34:31,805 --> 00:34:32,380
annual

2223
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:32,572
5%

2224
00:34:32,572 --> 00:34:34,730
per year instead of

2225
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:34,808
only

2226
00:34:34,808 --> 00:34:35,108
having 2% in phase one

2227
00:34:35,108 --> 00:34:36,643
and 8%

2228
00:34:36,643 --> 00:34:38,643
in phase two

2229
00:34:38,912 --> 00:34:39,580
. Ok, that makes

2230
00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:40,460
sense. Well, cause that was one

2231
00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:40,947
of my questions

2232
00:34:40,947 --> 00:34:41,314
was what is,

2233
00:34:41,314 --> 00:34:41,715
what is

2234
00:34:41,715 --> 00:34:43,250
this? Yeah

2235
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:43,484
, that's why

2236
00:34:43,484 --> 00:34:44,500
it

2237
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:45,518
was the, the goal

2238
00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:45,852
of

2239
00:34:45,852 --> 00:34:46,554
phasing

2240
00:34:46,554 --> 00:34:47,587
those increases or

2241
00:34:47,587 --> 00:34:47,754
making

2242
00:34:47,754 --> 00:34:48,455
those

2243
00:34:48,455 --> 00:34:48,722
increases we're phasing it in

2244
00:34:48,722 --> 00:34:50,457
this

2245
00:34:50,457 --> 00:34:50,790
in the study, but we're

2246
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:52,359
not

2247
00:34:52,359 --> 00:34:52,692
actually phasing. We're not

2248
00:34:52,692 --> 00:34:54,692
actually

2249
00:34:54,728 --> 00:34:55,495
. Collecting higher

2250
00:34:55,495 --> 00:34:57,130
revenue for that in our budget

2251
00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:57,931
.

2252
00:34:57,931 --> 00:34:58,798
You'll collect higher revenue

2253
00:34:58,798 --> 00:34:59,566
,

2254
00:34:59,566 --> 00:35:01,635
but you'll set it aside to be

2255
00:35:01,635 --> 00:35:04,400
used for future years

2256
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:04,337
. Ok

2257
00:35:04,337 --> 00:35:04,971
.

2258
00:35:04,971 --> 00:35:05,639
It'll offset those and

2259
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:06,140
then

2260
00:35:06,140 --> 00:35:06,440
increases needed

2261
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,108
. I

2262
00:35:08,108 --> 00:35:08,542
was unsure

2263
00:35:08,542 --> 00:35:08,909
of how

2264
00:35:08,909 --> 00:35:10,277
like the

2265
00:35:10,277 --> 00:35:10,978
, the

2266
00:35:10,978 --> 00:35:11,545
terminology of what was used in

2267
00:35:11,545 --> 00:35:13,130
this study and how it

2268
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:13,247
related

2269
00:35:13,247 --> 00:35:13,713
to

2270
00:35:13,713 --> 00:35:14,614
our budget

2271
00:35:14,614 --> 00:35:15,382
with franchise

2272
00:35:15,382 --> 00:35:15,816
fee expense and transfer to

2273
00:35:15,816 --> 00:35:17,184
general funds

2274
00:35:17,184 --> 00:35:17,751
, and so I was

2275
00:35:17,751 --> 00:35:18,251
trying to add them up and

2276
00:35:18,251 --> 00:35:19,754
compare them to

2277
00:35:19,754 --> 00:35:20,530
the budget to

2278
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:20,587
see

2279
00:35:20,587 --> 00:35:21,988
. Um

2280
00:35:21,988 --> 00:35:22,222
, if

2281
00:35:22,222 --> 00:35:22,522
I

2282
00:35:22,522 --> 00:35:22,790
could

2283
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:23,256
understand

2284
00:35:23,256 --> 00:35:24,391
how, how this

2285
00:35:24,391 --> 00:35:24,725
is flowing to

2286
00:35:24,725 --> 00:35:25,920
our

2287
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,560
budget

2288
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,127
. The transfer to General

2289
00:35:27,127 --> 00:35:28,161
Flynn is the same

2290
00:35:28,161 --> 00:35:28,628
. The

2291
00:35:28,628 --> 00:35:29,296
franchise

2292
00:35:29,296 --> 00:35:30,630
fee was a little

2293
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:30,997
bore

2294
00:35:30,997 --> 00:35:31,298
in the

2295
00:35:31,298 --> 00:35:31,665
study

2296
00:35:31,665 --> 00:35:32,733
than what

2297
00:35:32,733 --> 00:35:33,600
we

2298
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,901
actually put in the fiscal

2299
00:35:34,901 --> 00:35:35,202
27

2300
00:35:35,202 --> 00:35:36,360
budget

2301
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,237
, um, because

2302
00:35:37,237 --> 00:35:37,504
this

2303
00:35:37,504 --> 00:35:37,905
, that

2304
00:35:37,905 --> 00:35:39,340
what the

2305
00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:39,540
, the

2306
00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:40,207
revenue

2307
00:35:40,207 --> 00:35:40,574
requirement that they were fed

2308
00:35:40,574 --> 00:35:42,750
to do the

2309
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:42,710
study off of was the

2310
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:44,445
fiscal 26th budget

2311
00:35:44,445 --> 00:35:44,811
. And the

2312
00:35:44,811 --> 00:35:46,680
fiscal

2313
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,314
2016 budget franchise

2314
00:35:47,314 --> 00:35:48,916
fee was higher. It was

2315
00:35:48,916 --> 00:35:49,516
like 2.7

2316
00:35:49,516 --> 00:35:49,883
That's what these numbers are

2317
00:35:49,883 --> 00:35:51,218
based on

2318
00:35:51,218 --> 00:35:51,618
. But

2319
00:35:51,618 --> 00:35:52,887
as we were

2320
00:35:52,887 --> 00:35:53,554
trying

2321
00:35:53,554 --> 00:35:53,921
to balance the budget, we were

2322
00:35:53,921 --> 00:35:55,423
trying to

2323
00:35:55,423 --> 00:35:55,923
reduce that franchise

2324
00:35:55,923 --> 00:35:57,491
fee a little bit

2325
00:35:57,491 --> 00:35:57,858
. Ok

2326
00:35:57,858 --> 00:35:59,626
, and then

2327
00:35:59,626 --> 00:36:00,427
.

2328
00:36:00,427 --> 00:36:00,728
We have cost allocation in the

2329
00:36:00,728 --> 00:36:02,620
budget

2330
00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:02,930
. Is that

2331
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:04,832
what is, so I

2332
00:36:04,832 --> 00:36:05,650
was aligning them

2333
00:36:05,650 --> 00:36:05,432
accurately

2334
00:36:05,432 --> 00:36:06,333
and as

2335
00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:06,567
far

2336
00:36:06,567 --> 00:36:06,967
as

2337
00:36:06,967 --> 00:36:08,569
, but um

2338
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:10,569
. Ok

2339
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:13,941
. All

2340
00:36:13,941 --> 00:36:14,541
right, counsel, what other

2341
00:36:14,541 --> 00:36:15,677
questions do you have

2342
00:36:15,677 --> 00:36:16,310
? I was

2343
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:16,710
going to ask the exact same

2344
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:17,945
ones that

2345
00:36:17,945 --> 00:36:18,579
Melody's been talking

2346
00:36:18,579 --> 00:36:19,747
about. Yeah, I know she

2347
00:36:19,747 --> 00:36:20,140
took

2348
00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:22,140
mine

2349
00:36:22,650 --> 00:36:23,160
too

2350
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:23,284
. You're

2351
00:36:23,284 --> 00:36:24,451
just

2352
00:36:24,451 --> 00:36:25,319
going

2353
00:36:25,319 --> 00:36:26,787
online, I do have, I

2354
00:36:26,787 --> 00:36:26,954
do

2355
00:36:26,954 --> 00:36:27,655
have

2356
00:36:27,655 --> 00:36:28,890
one question, uh, for you

2357
00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:29,130
, so

2358
00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:29,390
,

2359
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:29,724
uh, the way

2360
00:36:29,724 --> 00:36:31,258
we adopt

2361
00:36:31,258 --> 00:36:31,959
these

2362
00:36:31,959 --> 00:36:32,460
rates is through the budget

2363
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:33,527
process and you

2364
00:36:33,527 --> 00:36:33,861
go

2365
00:36:33,861 --> 00:36:34,161
into

2366
00:36:34,161 --> 00:36:34,628
effect

2367
00:36:34,628 --> 00:36:35,896
OCTOBER 1st

2368
00:36:35,896 --> 00:36:36,564
with the, with our

2369
00:36:36,564 --> 00:36:36,864
annual budget. Is that accurate

2370
00:36:36,864 --> 00:36:38,165
? Yep

2371
00:36:38,165 --> 00:36:38,766
, your masterpiece

2372
00:36:38,766 --> 00:36:39,300
schedule is a part of your

2373
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:40,468
budget. All right

2374
00:36:40,468 --> 00:36:40,968
, and it will

2375
00:36:40,968 --> 00:36:42,937
come back as a

2376
00:36:42,937 --> 00:36:43,704
separate

2377
00:36:43,704 --> 00:36:45,440
ordinance, um, and it'll have

2378
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:45,873
two readings. All right, and

2379
00:36:45,873 --> 00:36:46,974
that ordinance

2380
00:36:46,974 --> 00:36:47,408
. Will be the

2381
00:36:47,408 --> 00:36:47,942
master feet

2382
00:36:47,942 --> 00:36:49,677
ordinance

2383
00:36:49,677 --> 00:36:50,478
or

2384
00:36:50,478 --> 00:36:51,746
masterpiece. So I, I

2385
00:36:51,746 --> 00:36:51,912
did

2386
00:36:51,912 --> 00:36:52,413
have

2387
00:36:52,413 --> 00:36:53,614
another question

2388
00:36:53,614 --> 00:36:54,810
on

2389
00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:54,581
the

2390
00:36:54,581 --> 00:36:54,949
um rate

2391
00:36:54,949 --> 00:36:56,584
coverage

2392
00:36:56,584 --> 00:36:56,817
with

2393
00:36:56,817 --> 00:36:56,951
the

2394
00:36:56,951 --> 00:36:57,451
wifia

2395
00:36:57,451 --> 00:36:58,185
requirement and

2396
00:36:58,185 --> 00:36:58,452
the

2397
00:36:58,452 --> 00:36:58,719
125% and

2398
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:58,986
what

2399
00:36:58,986 --> 00:37:00,421
we

2400
00:37:00,421 --> 00:37:01,188
need to

2401
00:37:01,188 --> 00:37:02,790
, to collect

2402
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:03,324
, um

2403
00:37:03,324 --> 00:37:03,591
because some of

2404
00:37:03,591 --> 00:37:04,240
the

2405
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:04,925
calculations

2406
00:37:04,925 --> 00:37:05,326
in

2407
00:37:05,326 --> 00:37:05,826
there were

2408
00:37:05,826 --> 00:37:07,328
different than

2409
00:37:07,328 --> 00:37:07,528
what

2410
00:37:07,528 --> 00:37:07,695
I

2411
00:37:07,695 --> 00:37:08,296
was

2412
00:37:08,296 --> 00:37:09,997
understanding how the

2413
00:37:09,997 --> 00:37:10,298
calculation worked with talking

2414
00:37:10,298 --> 00:37:12,133
with

2415
00:37:12,133 --> 00:37:12,533
staff previously, which is

2416
00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:14,168
always why I

2417
00:37:14,168 --> 00:37:14,702
like to see it in

2418
00:37:14,702 --> 00:37:15,136
the numbers and not just

2419
00:37:15,136 --> 00:37:17,104
describe. But

2420
00:37:17,104 --> 00:37:18,373
. But, um, so

2421
00:37:18,373 --> 00:37:19,140
in

2422
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:20,875
there, it, it, it looks like

2423
00:37:20,875 --> 00:37:21,175
.

2424
00:37:21,175 --> 00:37:21,909
The

2425
00:37:21,909 --> 00:37:23,578
revenue requirements in

2426
00:37:23,578 --> 00:37:25,580
this plan are higher

2427
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:26,470
. Than what

2428
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:27,548
we need for

2429
00:37:27,548 --> 00:37:28,249
the the rate

2430
00:37:28,249 --> 00:37:30,685
coverage for Wo because we're

2431
00:37:30,685 --> 00:37:32,220
at 137% or 100

2432
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:32,520
. 48%

2433
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:32,659
, which

2434
00:37:32,659 --> 00:37:33,321
is

2435
00:37:33,321 --> 00:37:34,422
higher than what we need

2436
00:37:34,422 --> 00:37:34,722
for

2437
00:37:34,722 --> 00:37:36,722
125%

2438
00:37:36,724 --> 00:37:37,292
. So, um

2439
00:37:37,292 --> 00:37:38,693
, So that

2440
00:37:38,693 --> 00:37:38,993
I'm

2441
00:37:38,993 --> 00:37:39,660
just

2442
00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:41,796
wondering, is that an

2443
00:37:41,796 --> 00:37:43,398
opportunity to have

2444
00:37:43,398 --> 00:37:43,765
Great

2445
00:37:43,765 --> 00:37:44,465
relief if

2446
00:37:44,465 --> 00:37:45,667
This is higher

2447
00:37:45,667 --> 00:37:46,334
than

2448
00:37:46,334 --> 00:37:47,735
what we need for the debt

2449
00:37:47,735 --> 00:37:48,136
.

2450
00:37:48,136 --> 00:37:48,670
That's it

2451
00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:48,903
. Yes, please

2452
00:37:48,903 --> 00:37:49,938
go

2453
00:37:49,938 --> 00:37:50,605
ahead

2454
00:37:50,605 --> 00:37:50,906
I was, so I was going to say,

2455
00:37:50,906 --> 00:37:52,340
well

2456
00:37:52,340 --> 00:37:52,841
, just

2457
00:37:52,841 --> 00:37:53,740
because for

2458
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:54,542
the

2459
00:37:54,542 --> 00:37:55,176
2026

2460
00:37:55,176 --> 00:37:55,643
with the t3 since

2461
00:37:55,643 --> 00:37:57,512
that that

2462
00:37:57,512 --> 00:37:58,120
service isn't actually known

2463
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,380
yet. We did build

2464
00:37:59,380 --> 00:38:00,114
in some

2465
00:38:00,114 --> 00:38:01,616
cushion to allow some

2466
00:38:01,616 --> 00:38:01,950
flexibility with that

2467
00:38:01,950 --> 00:38:02,217
for

2468
00:38:02,217 --> 00:38:03,885
those

2469
00:38:03,885 --> 00:38:04,486
coverages, but

2470
00:38:04,486 --> 00:38:06,870
then also

2471
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:06,588
um the

2472
00:38:06,588 --> 00:38:08,560
function of again

2473
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:08,390
. Um

2474
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:09,157
,

2475
00:38:09,157 --> 00:38:10,625
fluctuating that replacements

2476
00:38:10,625 --> 00:38:11,192
and improvements number to

2477
00:38:11,192 --> 00:38:12,527
smooth out the rate

2478
00:38:12,527 --> 00:38:13,161
increases

2479
00:38:13,161 --> 00:38:13,595
is what's going to make

2480
00:38:13,595 --> 00:38:15,563
those

2481
00:38:15,563 --> 00:38:15,964
coverage percentages be higher

2482
00:38:15,964 --> 00:38:17,265
than what's

2483
00:38:17,265 --> 00:38:17,932
actually required

2484
00:38:17,932 --> 00:38:18,266
because you're smoothing it out

2485
00:38:18,266 --> 00:38:19,668
over the

2486
00:38:19,668 --> 00:38:20,680
different years

2487
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:20,535
instead

2488
00:38:20,535 --> 00:38:21,970
of having

2489
00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:22,370
just what you

2490
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:22,737
exactly you

2491
00:38:22,737 --> 00:38:23,104
needed phase one,

2492
00:38:23,104 --> 00:38:24,106
phase 2

2493
00:38:24,106 --> 00:38:24,439
, and phase 3

2494
00:38:24,439 --> 00:38:24,873
, so it'll,

2495
00:38:24,873 --> 00:38:26,241
it'll vary

2496
00:38:26,241 --> 00:38:26,908
from year to year.

2497
00:38:26,908 --> 00:38:28,510
They're also not apples

2498
00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:29,611
and

2499
00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:31,380
apples because when you're

2500
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:33,182
trying to calculate your

2501
00:38:33,182 --> 00:38:33,715
revenue requirement

2502
00:38:33,715 --> 00:38:35,183
. You're

2503
00:38:35,183 --> 00:38:35,584
looking at

2504
00:38:35,584 --> 00:38:36,510
different factors,

2505
00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:37,586
and then when

2506
00:38:37,586 --> 00:38:38,520
you're trying to

2507
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,121
take those numbers and just do

2508
00:38:40,121 --> 00:38:40,588
the calculation to make sure

2509
00:38:40,588 --> 00:38:41,990
you're covered

2510
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:42,224
on your

2511
00:38:42,224 --> 00:38:42,958
debt

2512
00:38:42,958 --> 00:38:44,590
coverage. They, those are

2513
00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:45,293
two

2514
00:38:45,293 --> 00:38:46,361
separate calculations

2515
00:38:46,361 --> 00:38:46,503
. So

2516
00:38:46,503 --> 00:38:46,995
, if

2517
00:38:46,995 --> 00:38:48,730
we were to

2518
00:38:48,730 --> 00:38:49,398
reduce the rates and

2519
00:38:49,398 --> 00:38:50,665
reduce the revenue, then

2520
00:38:50,665 --> 00:38:51,233
we're

2521
00:38:51,233 --> 00:38:51,433
not meeting our

2522
00:38:51,433 --> 00:38:51,967
revenue

2523
00:38:51,967 --> 00:38:53,101
requirements on the

2524
00:38:53,101 --> 00:38:53,735
other page.

2525
00:38:53,735 --> 00:38:55,237
I mean, they, they're

2526
00:38:55,237 --> 00:38:55,670
just

2527
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:56,405
not

2528
00:38:56,405 --> 00:38:57,472
comparable sometimes they

2529
00:38:57,472 --> 00:38:57,840
both

2530
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,273
have to

2531
00:38:58,273 --> 00:38:58,640
be

2532
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,908
calculated

2533
00:38:59,908 --> 00:39:00,642
, but they

2534
00:39:00,642 --> 00:39:02,110
do run separately as far

2535
00:39:02,110 --> 00:39:02,878
as,

2536
00:39:02,878 --> 00:39:03,145
you know, what you're doing on

2537
00:39:03,145 --> 00:39:04,612
the

2538
00:39:04,612 --> 00:39:05,313
. Revenue Department is

2539
00:39:05,313 --> 00:39:06,682
different than what you're

2540
00:39:06,682 --> 00:39:06,949
doing for the

2541
00:39:06,949 --> 00:39:07,282
debt

2542
00:39:07,282 --> 00:39:07,616
coverage, at

2543
00:39:07,616 --> 00:39:09,616
least

2544
00:39:09,818 --> 00:39:10,152
we're meeting our

2545
00:39:10,152 --> 00:39:10,285
, we

2546
00:39:10,285 --> 00:39:10,819
are

2547
00:39:10,819 --> 00:39:11,220
exceeding our debt

2548
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:11,820
coverage,

2549
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:12,870
which is good news

2550
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:13,322
. So

2551
00:39:13,322 --> 00:39:13,822
, you run

2552
00:39:13,822 --> 00:39:14,156
the risk if you

2553
00:39:14,156 --> 00:39:14,556
take just

2554
00:39:14,556 --> 00:39:15,591
looking at

2555
00:39:15,591 --> 00:39:15,824
that

2556
00:39:15,824 --> 00:39:16,525
coverage

2557
00:39:16,525 --> 00:39:17,560
calculation and think that

2558
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:17,827
you

2559
00:39:17,827 --> 00:39:18,794
can

2560
00:39:18,794 --> 00:39:20,696
reduce your, um, the

2561
00:39:20,696 --> 00:39:21,263
million dollars, you MAY not be

2562
00:39:21,263 --> 00:39:22,130
meeting all your

2563
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:22,564
revenue

2564
00:39:22,564 --> 00:39:23,532
requirements

2565
00:39:23,532 --> 00:39:25,267
. Even though

2566
00:39:25,267 --> 00:39:27,667
you're meeting that coverage

2567
00:39:27,703 --> 00:39:29,471
funds from

2568
00:39:29,471 --> 00:39:30,720
or using funds from

2569
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:30,339
Fund Balance like we're going

2570
00:39:30,339 --> 00:39:31,607
to

2571
00:39:31,607 --> 00:39:33,575
be using 2

2572
00:39:33,575 --> 00:39:33,809
. 7

2573
00:39:33,809 --> 00:39:34,443
or 2.3

2574
00:39:34,443 --> 00:39:34,810
somewhere somewhere from fund

2575
00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:36,612
balance

2576
00:39:36,612 --> 00:39:38,247
. Towards that

2577
00:39:38,247 --> 00:39:38,647
, that

2578
00:39:38,647 --> 00:39:40,482
does that

2579
00:39:40,482 --> 00:39:40,983
Get

2580
00:39:40,983 --> 00:39:42,983
calculated in the

2581
00:39:43,850 --> 00:39:43,619
rate coverage or does that get

2582
00:39:43,619 --> 00:39:45,530
calculated in the

2583
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:45,688
revenue or so

2584
00:39:45,688 --> 00:39:46,922
your coverage calculation

2585
00:39:46,922 --> 00:39:47,490
is

2586
00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:47,790
specifically what

2587
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:48,257
you've earned

2588
00:39:48,257 --> 00:39:49,558
in that year

2589
00:39:49,558 --> 00:39:49,825
, so you can't

2590
00:39:49,825 --> 00:39:50,526
use

2591
00:39:50,526 --> 00:39:52,940
cash reserves towards

2592
00:39:52,940 --> 00:39:52,695
calculating that rate coverage

2593
00:39:52,695 --> 00:39:53,762
or that debt service

2594
00:39:53,762 --> 00:39:54,363
coverage,

2595
00:39:54,363 --> 00:39:56,632
the debt service for

2596
00:39:56,632 --> 00:39:58,670
the 125%

2597
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:58,934
.

2598
00:39:58,934 --> 00:39:59,335
But you can use it for your

2599
00:39:59,335 --> 00:40:00,903
revenue

2600
00:40:00,903 --> 00:40:02,638
requirements, correct

2601
00:40:02,638 --> 00:40:03,105
.

2602
00:40:03,105 --> 00:40:05,740
Can we have

2603
00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:05,507
? Clear

2604
00:40:05,507 --> 00:40:06,175
as mud. So

2605
00:40:06,175 --> 00:40:07,810
thank you

2606
00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:08,143
. There are a lot of

2607
00:40:08,143 --> 00:40:08,544
moving

2608
00:40:08,544 --> 00:40:09,712
pieces, yeah

2609
00:40:09,712 --> 00:40:10,613
yeah,

2610
00:40:10,613 --> 00:40:12,181
they're all intermixed. I have

2611
00:40:12,181 --> 00:40:12,915
a better understanding now.

2612
00:40:12,915 --> 00:40:14,416
Thank you. You're welcome

2613
00:40:14,416 --> 00:40:15,117
.

2614
00:40:15,117 --> 00:40:15,518
Thank you, counsel. Any other

2615
00:40:15,518 --> 00:40:17,518
questions

2616
00:40:18,788 --> 00:40:19,255
? I

2617
00:40:19,255 --> 00:40:19,922
appreciate it, MS.

2618
00:40:19,922 --> 00:40:21,230
Lynch. Thank you for being

2619
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:21,657
here

2620
00:40:21,657 --> 00:40:22,570
and for that detailed

2621
00:40:22,570 --> 00:40:23,726
explanation

2622
00:40:23,726 --> 00:40:26,620
. I'm gonna, uh, and

2623
00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:26,729
of course uh Tracy, always glad

2624
00:40:26,729 --> 00:40:27,930
to hear finances from

2625
00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:28,664
you. It

2626
00:40:28,664 --> 00:40:29,231
seems like we're always doing

2627
00:40:29,231 --> 00:40:30,633
better when you're

2628
00:40:30,633 --> 00:40:31,167
up here. Uh,

2629
00:40:31,167 --> 00:40:32,234
that'll take us

2630
00:40:32,234 --> 00:40:32,569
to

2631
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:33,302
item 3c.

2632
00:40:33,302 --> 00:40:34,370
This is discussion regarding

2633
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:34,937
a

2634
00:40:34,937 --> 00:40:35,504
resolution of the city of

2635
00:40:35,504 --> 00:40:36,906
Pflugerville, Texas

2636
00:40:36,906 --> 00:40:37,407
, adopting

2637
00:40:37,407 --> 00:40:37,940
standards for secure,

2638
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:39,542
accountable, fair

2639
00:40:39,542 --> 00:40:40,109
, and

2640
00:40:40,109 --> 00:40:40,510
explainable technology use

2641
00:40:40,510 --> 00:40:41,877
directing

2642
00:40:41,877 --> 00:40:42,411
the implementation

2643
00:40:42,411 --> 00:40:44,114
and providing an

2644
00:40:44,114 --> 00:40:44,780
effective date

2645
00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:46,148
I think we've got some

2646
00:40:46,148 --> 00:40:46,515
.

2647
00:40:46,515 --> 00:40:46,883
Language

2648
00:40:46,883 --> 00:40:48,883
from our

2649
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:49,886
regular

2650
00:40:49,886 --> 00:40:50,887
agenda item on there this is

2651
00:40:50,887 --> 00:40:51,200
discussion during the

2652
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:51,387
work

2653
00:40:51,387 --> 00:40:53,387
session

2654
00:40:53,923 --> 00:40:55,458
. James, yeah, I just

2655
00:40:55,458 --> 00:40:56,158
want to explain the documents

2656
00:40:56,158 --> 00:40:56,893
you have in front of you

2657
00:40:56,893 --> 00:40:57,193
. You

2658
00:40:57,193 --> 00:40:58,930
have

2659
00:40:58,930 --> 00:40:59,896
two versions, the one with

2660
00:40:59,896 --> 00:41:00,162
the draft watermark is the one

2661
00:41:00,162 --> 00:41:02,310
that

2662
00:41:02,310 --> 00:41:02,565
was attached, um, to the

2663
00:41:02,565 --> 00:41:03,766
agenda as drafted

2664
00:41:03,766 --> 00:41:04,334
by council

2665
00:41:04,334 --> 00:41:04,634
member Kaufman

2666
00:41:04,634 --> 00:41:04,967
. The other

2667
00:41:04,967 --> 00:41:06,350
version

2668
00:41:06,350 --> 00:41:06,536
is

2669
00:41:06,536 --> 00:41:07,690
a

2670
00:41:07,690 --> 00:41:08,304
revised

2671
00:41:08,304 --> 00:41:08,805
version

2672
00:41:08,805 --> 00:41:09,272
prepared by cast

2673
00:41:09,272 --> 00:41:11,140
member Matteer

2674
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:11,574
Yeah, and, and let

2675
00:41:11,574 --> 00:41:11,808
me explain.

2676
00:41:11,808 --> 00:41:12,909
So

2677
00:41:12,909 --> 00:41:13,843
, uh, I

2678
00:41:13,843 --> 00:41:15,545
I

2679
00:41:15,545 --> 00:41:15,845
want to thank

2680
00:41:15,845 --> 00:41:16,312
um

2681
00:41:16,312 --> 00:41:17,480
Jonathan early

2682
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,281
on specifically

2683
00:41:18,281 --> 00:41:19,950
came to me talking about this

2684
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:20,483
idea and this policy and what

2685
00:41:20,483 --> 00:41:22,510
we're working on

2686
00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:22,886
, um, we talked

2687
00:41:22,886 --> 00:41:24,720
about how staff was looking at

2688
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:25,210
these things as a whole in

2689
00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:27,210
their

2690
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:27,490
totality. What should we

2691
00:41:27,490 --> 00:41:28,958
do? How should

2692
00:41:28,958 --> 00:41:29,626
look at this

2693
00:41:29,626 --> 00:41:29,893
game like a good opportunity to

2694
00:41:29,893 --> 00:41:30,894
go

2695
00:41:30,894 --> 00:41:31,194
and

2696
00:41:31,194 --> 00:41:31,427
do so

2697
00:41:31,427 --> 00:41:31,862
. Um

2698
00:41:31,862 --> 00:41:33,396
, Jonathan then

2699
00:41:33,396 --> 00:41:34,640
went to

2700
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,765
um start talking to

2701
00:41:35,765 --> 00:41:36,320
David, COUNCILMAN Rogers about

2702
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,320
it

2703
00:41:38,340 --> 00:41:38,502
, and

2704
00:41:38,502 --> 00:41:38,968
as we've heard from

2705
00:41:38,968 --> 00:41:40,304
mayor pro tem

2706
00:41:40,304 --> 00:41:40,770
, Kimberly

2707
00:41:40,770 --> 00:41:42,338
numerous times

2708
00:41:42,338 --> 00:41:42,972
. I get a little

2709
00:41:42,972 --> 00:41:43,339
nervous about when all of us

2710
00:41:43,339 --> 00:41:45,339
are all

2711
00:41:46,810 --> 00:41:47,510
. Discussing everything

2712
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:47,778
else happened from that as well

2713
00:41:47,778 --> 00:41:49,145
so

2714
00:41:49,145 --> 00:41:49,879
I

2715
00:41:49,879 --> 00:41:50,180
stepped back

2716
00:41:50,180 --> 00:41:50,580
, um, they

2717
00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:51,514
worked on

2718
00:41:51,514 --> 00:41:52,820
their version, the

2719
00:41:52,820 --> 00:41:53,383
version has the

2720
00:41:53,383 --> 00:41:54,117
the draft on it

2721
00:41:54,117 --> 00:41:57,717
It also has a good um

2722
00:41:57,887 --> 00:41:58,621
. Summary

2723
00:41:58,621 --> 00:41:58,955
as well with that as well, and

2724
00:41:58,955 --> 00:42:00,691
then I

2725
00:42:00,691 --> 00:42:01,391
asked specifically, I

2726
00:42:01,391 --> 00:42:02,325
asked our attorney Mike

2727
00:42:02,325 --> 00:42:02,859
to send

2728
00:42:02,859 --> 00:42:03,360
me what their

2729
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,195
draft was and

2730
00:42:05,195 --> 00:42:05,695
then based on what their draft

2731
00:42:05,695 --> 00:42:06,963
was, I created

2732
00:42:06,963 --> 00:42:07,664
a draft where I

2733
00:42:07,664 --> 00:42:09,666
saw, ok, listen, there's

2734
00:42:09,666 --> 00:42:10,166
,

2735
00:42:10,166 --> 00:42:10,500
there's some

2736
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:11,201
things where we

2737
00:42:11,201 --> 00:42:11,534
need some clarity or some

2738
00:42:11,534 --> 00:42:12,203
other

2739
00:42:12,203 --> 00:42:12,936
aspects in my opinion, some of

2740
00:42:12,936 --> 00:42:13,704
the things that we add on

2741
00:42:13,704 --> 00:42:14,438
, some

2742
00:42:14,438 --> 00:42:14,605
things that, um, you know

2743
00:42:14,605 --> 00:42:14,938
, help

2744
00:42:14,938 --> 00:42:16,730
buttress

2745
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:16,373
what

2746
00:42:16,373 --> 00:42:16,840
they're getting

2747
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,408
at right there

2748
00:42:18,408 --> 00:42:18,975
. And so the

2749
00:42:18,975 --> 00:42:20,477
policy that you see

2750
00:42:20,477 --> 00:42:20,677
from

2751
00:42:20,677 --> 00:42:21,110
me is

2752
00:42:21,110 --> 00:42:23,110
about

2753
00:42:23,246 --> 00:42:25,246
. 18 pages

2754
00:42:25,649 --> 00:42:27,551
. But uh, which

2755
00:42:27,551 --> 00:42:27,751
covers the, yeah, I know

2756
00:42:27,751 --> 00:42:28,351
, right

2757
00:42:28,351 --> 00:42:29,386
which I expect each

2758
00:42:29,386 --> 00:42:30,287
and every

2759
00:42:30,287 --> 00:42:31,855
one of you to sit right here

2760
00:42:31,855 --> 00:42:32,155
,

2761
00:42:32,155 --> 00:42:34,155
you

2762
00:42:34,357 --> 00:42:34,724
You know, I have a judge

2763
00:42:34,724 --> 00:42:36,159
who don't

2764
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:36,793
get me started,

2765
00:42:36,793 --> 00:42:37,260
that's exactly how he does in

2766
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:39,162
these documents

2767
00:42:39,162 --> 00:42:39,430
. Um

2768
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:40,970
, that I, I

2769
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:40,563
would like for y'all to

2770
00:42:40,563 --> 00:42:41,331
, you

2771
00:42:41,331 --> 00:42:43,367
know, take back and look at

2772
00:42:43,367 --> 00:42:43,801
, um

2773
00:42:43,801 --> 00:42:45,680
we don't have

2774
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:45,469
a

2775
00:42:45,469 --> 00:42:46,103
subcommittee,

2776
00:42:46,103 --> 00:42:47,371
so I would say have

2777
00:42:47,371 --> 00:42:48,105
Jonathan,

2778
00:42:48,105 --> 00:42:49,640
David, and I go back and

2779
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,307
talk.

2780
00:42:50,307 --> 00:42:51,942
We don't have that, but

2781
00:42:51,942 --> 00:42:52,643
, um,

2782
00:42:52,643 --> 00:42:53,410
just what your thoughts are for

2783
00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:54,678
like, for example, one of the

2784
00:42:54,678 --> 00:42:55,212
things that, you know, there's

2785
00:42:55,212 --> 00:42:56,813
some cleanup items

2786
00:42:56,813 --> 00:42:57,800
. Um

2787
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:57,447
, for

2788
00:42:57,447 --> 00:42:59,416
example

2789
00:42:59,416 --> 00:42:59,716
. Rudy

2790
00:42:59,716 --> 00:43:00,817
, before

2791
00:43:00,817 --> 00:43:01,518
you,

2792
00:43:01,518 --> 00:43:01,953
before you dig real deep into

2793
00:43:01,953 --> 00:43:03,253
that, I do

2794
00:43:03,253 --> 00:43:03,920
have one person

2795
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:04,221
signed up for public comment on

2796
00:43:04,221 --> 00:43:05,656
this

2797
00:43:05,656 --> 00:43:06,560
item

2798
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:06,690
. So I wanted to go

2799
00:43:06,690 --> 00:43:07,758
ahead and call forward

2800
00:43:07,758 --> 00:43:08,250
, uh, Mr

2801
00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:08,458
.

2802
00:43:08,458 --> 00:43:08,725
Les Wall

2803
00:43:08,725 --> 00:43:10,600
. Les

2804
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:10,527
, uh, I know you

2805
00:43:10,527 --> 00:43:12,195
signed up to

2806
00:43:12,195 --> 00:43:12,463
, uh, to

2807
00:43:12,463 --> 00:43:12,863
comment on

2808
00:43:12,863 --> 00:43:13,163
this item

2809
00:43:13,163 --> 00:43:14,865
3c. Uh

2810
00:43:14,865 --> 00:43:15,632
, I'll give you

2811
00:43:15,632 --> 00:43:16,801
uh, 3 minutes

2812
00:43:16,801 --> 00:43:17,534
, uh, to address

2813
00:43:17,534 --> 00:43:18,802
us. Hey, thank you. Get

2814
00:43:18,802 --> 00:43:19,403
my

2815
00:43:19,403 --> 00:43:21,338
glasses out, so

2816
00:43:21,338 --> 00:43:21,772
. Yeah

2817
00:43:21,772 --> 00:43:22,239
, safe

2818
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,540
technology use

2819
00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:24,375
. There are those

2820
00:43:24,375 --> 00:43:26,110
who argue there is no such

2821
00:43:26,110 --> 00:43:26,810
thing

2822
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:27,811
as safe technology

2823
00:43:27,811 --> 00:43:28,512
, but

2824
00:43:28,512 --> 00:43:29,130
uh that's a discussion for

2825
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:30,881
another day

2826
00:43:30,881 --> 00:43:31,515
, um, whether we're

2827
00:43:31,515 --> 00:43:32,383
looking at biometrics

2828
00:43:32,383 --> 00:43:33,500
, whether

2829
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:33,684
you're looking at surveillance,

2830
00:43:33,684 --> 00:43:34,886
whether you're looking

2831
00:43:34,886 --> 00:43:35,152
at ai

2832
00:43:35,152 --> 00:43:35,786
,

2833
00:43:35,786 --> 00:43:36,954
um, the bottom line is

2834
00:43:36,954 --> 00:43:37,388
I don't

2835
00:43:37,388 --> 00:43:37,955
think it he

2836
00:43:37,955 --> 00:43:39,390
didn't understand

2837
00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:39,991
human reasoning

2838
00:43:39,991 --> 00:43:40,191
. It's

2839
00:43:40,191 --> 00:43:40,491
only as

2840
00:43:40,491 --> 00:43:41,892
good

2841
00:43:41,892 --> 00:43:42,593
as what the programmers

2842
00:43:42,593 --> 00:43:43,461
can put into it and what

2843
00:43:43,461 --> 00:43:43,894
comes

2844
00:43:43,894 --> 00:43:44,229
out of it

2845
00:43:44,229 --> 00:43:44,662
. So

2846
00:43:44,662 --> 00:43:46,264
where does the

2847
00:43:46,264 --> 00:43:48,265
public trust fit into this

2848
00:43:48,265 --> 00:43:48,429
? Um

2849
00:43:48,429 --> 00:43:48,900
,

2850
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:50,668
many are skeptical

2851
00:43:50,668 --> 00:43:51,135
. Um

2852
00:43:51,135 --> 00:43:51,249
, and

2853
00:43:51,249 --> 00:43:51,502
one

2854
00:43:51,502 --> 00:43:52,903
of

2855
00:43:52,903 --> 00:43:53,737
the

2856
00:43:53,737 --> 00:43:55,500
things that I looked

2857
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:55,606
at

2858
00:43:55,606 --> 00:43:55,907
was low, moderate, and high

2859
00:43:55,907 --> 00:43:57,842
risk

2860
00:43:57,842 --> 00:43:58,242
. Um

2861
00:43:58,242 --> 00:43:59,543
, there are

2862
00:43:59,543 --> 00:44:00,177
those in

2863
00:44:00,177 --> 00:44:00,778
the tech world that would say

2864
00:44:00,778 --> 00:44:02,480
they're all high risk

2865
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:02,614
. The

2866
00:44:02,614 --> 00:44:02,947
only

2867
00:44:02,947 --> 00:44:04,281
system

2868
00:44:04,281 --> 00:44:05,150
that is closed

2869
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:06,717
. Can't be

2870
00:44:06,717 --> 00:44:07,180
hacked in. That's the one that

2871
00:44:07,180 --> 00:44:07,251
can't

2872
00:44:07,251 --> 00:44:08,620
be

2873
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:09,220
compromised. If you

2874
00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:09,520
allow an email, if you allow

2875
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,288
data

2876
00:44:11,288 --> 00:44:11,856
to go out of that place or

2877
00:44:11,856 --> 00:44:13,157
come into that place

2878
00:44:13,157 --> 00:44:13,424
, it's

2879
00:44:13,424 --> 00:44:14,125
open

2880
00:44:14,125 --> 00:44:14,425
And so from that standpoint,

2881
00:44:14,425 --> 00:44:15,494
I'm

2882
00:44:15,494 --> 00:44:16,127
glad you guys are

2883
00:44:16,127 --> 00:44:17,628
addressing this from the

2884
00:44:17,628 --> 00:44:18,295
standpoint of

2885
00:44:18,295 --> 00:44:20,231
If we don't, the

2886
00:44:20,231 --> 00:44:20,898
legislature probably will, and

2887
00:44:20,898 --> 00:44:21,298
we know they addressed it last

2888
00:44:21,298 --> 00:44:22,300
session. I

2889
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:22,934
bet they're going to

2890
00:44:22,934 --> 00:44:24,350
do something this session

2891
00:44:24,350 --> 00:44:24,335
as

2892
00:44:24,335 --> 00:44:25,690
well

2893
00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:25,470
, um, one of the things

2894
00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:26,470
would be

2895
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:27,400
the

2896
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:27,338
National League of

2897
00:44:27,338 --> 00:44:29,106
Cities

2898
00:44:29,106 --> 00:44:29,774
reported 68% of

2899
00:44:29,774 --> 00:44:32,174
employees for a city

2900
00:44:33,245 --> 00:44:33,477
. Use

2901
00:44:33,477 --> 00:44:33,711
ai

2902
00:44:33,711 --> 00:44:35,680
on

2903
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,114
personal

2904
00:44:36,114 --> 00:44:37,849
platforms

2905
00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:38,650
and 57%

2906
00:44:38,650 --> 00:44:38,916
input sensitive data from the

2907
00:44:38,916 --> 00:44:40,916
city

2908
00:44:43,488 --> 00:44:43,755
. Um, I'm guilty of that as

2909
00:44:43,755 --> 00:44:45,190
well

2910
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:45,956
, taking things home and

2911
00:44:45,956 --> 00:44:47,240
working on it and then coming

2912
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:47,692
back, but um

2913
00:44:47,692 --> 00:44:48,960
From

2914
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,360
that

2915
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:49,861
standpoint

2916
00:44:49,861 --> 00:44:50,950
, the National League

2917
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:52,950
of

2918
00:44:52,463 --> 00:44:53,665
Cities says Chet

2919
00:44:53,665 --> 00:44:54,232
bt Clive,

2920
00:44:54,232 --> 00:44:55,900
they are not safe

2921
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:56,734
. So if we're

2922
00:44:56,734 --> 00:44:57,902
allowed access to all of that

2923
00:44:57,902 --> 00:44:58,536
,

2924
00:44:58,536 --> 00:44:58,936
they're definitely recommended

2925
00:44:58,936 --> 00:45:00,205
don't do

2926
00:45:00,205 --> 00:45:01,139
it, um

2927
00:45:01,139 --> 00:45:01,472
. Staff limits

2928
00:45:01,472 --> 00:45:02,540
cannot

2929
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:03,700
be

2930
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:03,308
replaced by ai

2931
00:45:03,308 --> 00:45:05,210
. If

2932
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:05,843
we're cutting staff, thinking

2933
00:45:05,843 --> 00:45:06,945
ai is going to replace

2934
00:45:06,945 --> 00:45:07,545
human

2935
00:45:07,545 --> 00:45:08,112
intervention. That's not going

2936
00:45:08,112 --> 00:45:09,181
to happen. In fact

2937
00:45:09,181 --> 00:45:09,647
, you MAY end

2938
00:45:09,647 --> 00:45:10,215
up having more

2939
00:45:10,215 --> 00:45:11,716
it people

2940
00:45:11,716 --> 00:45:12,417
to try

2941
00:45:12,417 --> 00:45:12,684
and manage what we're working

2942
00:45:12,684 --> 00:45:13,785
on

2943
00:45:13,785 --> 00:45:14,752
, um

2944
00:45:14,752 --> 00:45:15,987
. And

2945
00:45:15,987 --> 00:45:16,521
uh the

2946
00:45:16,521 --> 00:45:17,255
Roosevelt

2947
00:45:17,255 --> 00:45:18,122
Institute states that ai can

2948
00:45:18,122 --> 00:45:19,240
be

2949
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:21,260
a burden for public workers. It

2950
00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:21,459
can comprehend or make their

2951
00:45:21,459 --> 00:45:23,194
work

2952
00:45:23,194 --> 00:45:23,862
harder cause it'll come

2953
00:45:23,862 --> 00:45:24,329
out with information that's not

2954
00:45:24,329 --> 00:45:25,130
accurate. They

2955
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:25,497
got to go in and

2956
00:45:25,497 --> 00:45:26,300
fix it

2957
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:27,332
. And I

2958
00:45:27,332 --> 00:45:27,565
know

2959
00:45:27,565 --> 00:45:28,660
Harris

2960
00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:29,501
County Houston's

2961
00:45:29,501 --> 00:45:29,768
problem

2962
00:45:29,768 --> 00:45:30,335
on

2963
00:45:30,335 --> 00:45:30,668
engineering projects. They

2964
00:45:30,668 --> 00:45:31,803
would

2965
00:45:31,803 --> 00:45:32,170
put the

2966
00:45:32,170 --> 00:45:32,837
information in.

2967
00:45:32,837 --> 00:45:33,104
It'll spit out a project number

2968
00:45:33,104 --> 00:45:34,439
that

2969
00:45:34,439 --> 00:45:34,839
is not the number they're

2970
00:45:34,839 --> 00:45:36,408
working on

2971
00:45:36,408 --> 00:45:37,800
. They'll correct it.

2972
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:37,642
It spits out the wrong number

2973
00:45:37,642 --> 00:45:38,810
again in the wrong data

2974
00:45:38,810 --> 00:45:39,770
. Uh

2975
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:39,510
, so

2976
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:41,120
they've

2977
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:41,480
already experienced

2978
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:41,880
that, so the

2979
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,848
only thing I

2980
00:45:42,848 --> 00:45:43,548
would

2981
00:45:43,548 --> 00:45:44,149
say is I'm glad you guys are

2982
00:45:44,149 --> 00:45:44,449
addressing this because it's

2983
00:45:44,449 --> 00:45:45,850
going

2984
00:45:45,850 --> 00:45:46,117
to continue to be

2985
00:45:46,117 --> 00:45:46,618
a

2986
00:45:46,618 --> 00:45:48,220
burdening issue

2987
00:45:48,220 --> 00:45:48,854
. And there's

2988
00:45:48,854 --> 00:45:49,870
those that are going to fight

2989
00:45:49,870 --> 00:45:49,988
it

2990
00:45:49,988 --> 00:45:50,755
and there's those that are

2991
00:45:50,755 --> 00:45:52,924
going to try and work

2992
00:45:52,924 --> 00:45:53,558
with it,

2993
00:45:53,558 --> 00:45:53,859
and we really can't fight it

2994
00:45:53,859 --> 00:45:54,460
very

2995
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:55,193
well because it's out

2996
00:45:55,193 --> 00:45:56,795
there for all of us to

2997
00:45:56,795 --> 00:45:57,496
use, so

2998
00:45:57,496 --> 00:45:57,996
I do appreciate you guys

2999
00:45:57,996 --> 00:45:59,640
addressing this

3000
00:45:59,640 --> 00:45:59,664
, uh, hopefully

3001
00:45:59,664 --> 00:46:00,980
before the legislature drops

3002
00:46:00,980 --> 00:46:01,433
the hammer

3003
00:46:01,433 --> 00:46:01,733
on cities

3004
00:46:01,733 --> 00:46:02,330
, but from

3005
00:46:02,330 --> 00:46:03,373
that

3006
00:46:03,373 --> 00:46:03,869
standpoint

3007
00:46:03,869 --> 00:46:04,537
, um, let's just

3008
00:46:04,537 --> 00:46:05,537
try and be as safe as

3009
00:46:05,537 --> 00:46:06,710
we can

3010
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:06,538
with it because

3011
00:46:06,538 --> 00:46:07,806
public

3012
00:46:07,806 --> 00:46:08,173
trust

3013
00:46:08,173 --> 00:46:08,707
sometimes

3014
00:46:08,707 --> 00:46:10,410
is compromised

3015
00:46:10,410 --> 00:46:10,709
,

3016
00:46:10,709 --> 00:46:11,760
especially from third parties.

3017
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,344
And if

3018
00:46:12,344 --> 00:46:12,811
we

3019
00:46:12,811 --> 00:46:12,978
give data to a

3020
00:46:12,978 --> 00:46:13,278
third

3021
00:46:13,278 --> 00:46:14,680
party

3022
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,180
and

3023
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:15,781
it leaks out, what

3024
00:46:15,781 --> 00:46:16,715
are their punishments

3025
00:46:16,715 --> 00:46:17,616
? What are

3026
00:46:17,616 --> 00:46:18,850
their penalties? If we have

3027
00:46:18,850 --> 00:46:19,384
a

3028
00:46:19,384 --> 00:46:20,510
contractor, if we have a

3029
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:20,352
consultant come in and take our

3030
00:46:20,352 --> 00:46:21,654
data

3031
00:46:21,654 --> 00:46:22,200
and then all of a sudden

3032
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,688
goes to

3033
00:46:23,688 --> 00:46:24,190
another party and they

3034
00:46:24,190 --> 00:46:25,657
start using it

3035
00:46:25,657 --> 00:46:26,358
. What

3036
00:46:26,358 --> 00:46:26,525
ramifications do we have

3037
00:46:26,525 --> 00:46:27,250
? I

3038
00:46:27,250 --> 00:46:28,600
appreciate your

3039
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:28,294
time

3040
00:46:28,294 --> 00:46:28,927
. Thank you

3041
00:46:28,927 --> 00:46:30,429
Thank you, MR. Wallace

3042
00:46:30,429 --> 00:46:30,729
. All

3043
00:46:30,729 --> 00:46:31,363
right

3044
00:46:31,363 --> 00:46:33,131
, yeah, now I, I was about

3045
00:46:33,131 --> 00:46:33,498
to say I think one of the

3046
00:46:33,498 --> 00:46:35,334
things

3047
00:46:35,334 --> 00:46:36,680
that he said, which I

3048
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,570
think is critical in this

3049
00:46:37,570 --> 00:46:37,803
conversation, but

3050
00:46:37,803 --> 00:46:38,436
I have a

3051
00:46:38,436 --> 00:46:38,704
slightly different perspective

3052
00:46:38,704 --> 00:46:39,338
on

3053
00:46:39,338 --> 00:46:39,571
this

3054
00:46:39,571 --> 00:46:40,138
is

3055
00:46:40,138 --> 00:46:41,874
that we're having to

3056
00:46:41,874 --> 00:46:42,474
do this

3057
00:46:42,474 --> 00:46:44,110
because nobody else is

3058
00:46:44,110 --> 00:46:44,476
.

3059
00:46:44,476 --> 00:46:46,345
Flat out

3060
00:46:46,345 --> 00:46:46,578
, let's just be honest

3061
00:46:46,578 --> 00:46:47,312
,

3062
00:46:47,312 --> 00:46:48,247
that's what's happening here

3063
00:46:48,247 --> 00:46:49,140
is

3064
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:49,415
that pretty much this is the

3065
00:46:49,415 --> 00:46:50,816
wild wild

3066
00:46:50,816 --> 00:46:51,383
west and folks don't

3067
00:46:51,383 --> 00:46:52,684
want to step

3068
00:46:52,684 --> 00:46:52,951
in

3069
00:46:52,951 --> 00:46:53,685
. They don't

3070
00:46:53,685 --> 00:46:55,254
want to have to make

3071
00:46:55,254 --> 00:46:55,554
decisions

3072
00:46:55,554 --> 00:46:55,954
and

3073
00:46:55,954 --> 00:46:56,422
so

3074
00:46:56,422 --> 00:46:57,423
consequently

3075
00:46:57,423 --> 00:46:57,823
citizens,

3076
00:46:57,823 --> 00:46:59,823
you know

3077
00:47:00,292 --> 00:47:00,693
, suffer

3078
00:47:00,693 --> 00:47:01,600
privacy

3079
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:01,794
suffers

3080
00:47:01,794 --> 00:47:02,270
. I

3081
00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:02,394
, I

3082
00:47:02,394 --> 00:47:02,928
, I understand and

3083
00:47:02,928 --> 00:47:04,496
I hear what you

3084
00:47:04,496 --> 00:47:04,730
said about

3085
00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:05,130
um

3086
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:06,565
Chachi bt

3087
00:47:06,565 --> 00:47:07,232
and um, oh, you know,

3088
00:47:07,232 --> 00:47:08,767
anything generated of ai

3089
00:47:08,767 --> 00:47:09,501
. And

3090
00:47:09,501 --> 00:47:11,236
it's a reality that folks are

3091
00:47:11,236 --> 00:47:11,937
using them right there as well,

3092
00:47:11,937 --> 00:47:13,720
but the reality of the

3093
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:13,439
fact is,

3094
00:47:13,439 --> 00:47:14,600
is that

3095
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,240
. This council

3096
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:15,874
is

3097
00:47:15,874 --> 00:47:16,542
stepping up in a way to

3098
00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:18,510
actually go ahead and help

3099
00:47:18,510 --> 00:47:18,978
address it and deal with these

3100
00:47:18,978 --> 00:47:20,246
issues. Yeah, i

3101
00:47:20,246 --> 00:47:20,613
think

3102
00:47:20,613 --> 00:47:21,280
think

3103
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:21,880
just to talk a little bit

3104
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:22,581
about

3105
00:47:22,581 --> 00:47:22,848
that, I think one of the, one

3106
00:47:22,848 --> 00:47:24,618
of

3107
00:47:24,618 --> 00:47:25,500
my overarching goals with

3108
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:25,350
this was to

3109
00:47:25,350 --> 00:47:26,919
create

3110
00:47:26,919 --> 00:47:27,553
a framework

3111
00:47:27,553 --> 00:47:27,887
so that we don't end up like

3112
00:47:27,887 --> 00:47:28,755
what a

3113
00:47:28,755 --> 00:47:29,880
lot of

3114
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:29,789
other cities are

3115
00:47:29,789 --> 00:47:30,990
doing where they've got an

3116
00:47:30,990 --> 00:47:31,590
alpr

3117
00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:31,791
policy. They've got

3118
00:47:31,791 --> 00:47:32,324
a

3119
00:47:32,324 --> 00:47:33,560
generative

3120
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:33,893
ai

3121
00:47:33,893 --> 00:47:34,393
policy. They've

3122
00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:34,827
got a drone

3123
00:47:34,827 --> 00:47:35,628
policy, right

3124
00:47:35,628 --> 00:47:36,328
, and

3125
00:47:36,328 --> 00:47:37,863
all of these things

3126
00:47:37,863 --> 00:47:38,497
, um, and so

3127
00:47:38,497 --> 00:47:38,831
I, I think that the hope of

3128
00:47:38,831 --> 00:47:40,466
having

3129
00:47:40,466 --> 00:47:40,966
a framework versus a

3130
00:47:40,966 --> 00:47:42,635
very specific

3131
00:47:42,635 --> 00:47:42,786
Piece by piece

3132
00:47:42,786 --> 00:47:43,200
,

3133
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,537
you

3134
00:47:44,537 --> 00:47:45,304
know

3135
00:47:45,304 --> 00:47:47,304
, definition of these

3136
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:47,974
things is that's really the

3137
00:47:47,974 --> 00:47:48,474
intent, right, is to get

3138
00:47:48,474 --> 00:47:49,141
something that

3139
00:47:49,141 --> 00:47:49,508
can

3140
00:47:49,508 --> 00:47:49,976
be durable

3141
00:47:49,976 --> 00:47:51,810
and last

3142
00:47:51,810 --> 00:47:52,478
. We MAY not know what

3143
00:47:52,478 --> 00:47:52,912
the technology is that's going

3144
00:47:52,912 --> 00:47:53,980
to need to

3145
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:54,914
be governed 3 years

3146
00:47:54,914 --> 00:47:56,315
from now, but we should be able

3147
00:47:56,315 --> 00:47:56,815
to speak

3148
00:47:56,815 --> 00:47:57,116
to and staff should be

3149
00:47:57,116 --> 00:47:58,651
able

3150
00:47:58,651 --> 00:47:59,418
to understand the

3151
00:47:59,418 --> 00:48:00,854
expectations and the guardrails

3152
00:48:00,854 --> 00:48:01,187
of counsel from a

3153
00:48:01,187 --> 00:48:01,687
policy

3154
00:48:01,687 --> 00:48:03,890
perspective in

3155
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:03,890
terms of not

3156
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:05,157
what a company is marketing

3157
00:48:05,157 --> 00:48:05,858
a

3158
00:48:05,858 --> 00:48:06,159
product or a functionality as,

3159
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:07,930
but

3160
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:07,527
it's

3161
00:48:07,527 --> 00:48:07,860
actual usage and how

3162
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:08,327
it gets

3163
00:48:08,327 --> 00:48:09,462
applied in the

3164
00:48:09,462 --> 00:48:10,130
real

3165
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:10,864
world, um, so I just wanted to

3166
00:48:10,864 --> 00:48:12,598
add that in because I think

3167
00:48:12,598 --> 00:48:12,865
We're absolutely in alignment

3168
00:48:12,865 --> 00:48:14,367
on

3169
00:48:14,367 --> 00:48:14,667
that. And to

3170
00:48:14,667 --> 00:48:15,100
that point,

3171
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,269
that's

3172
00:48:16,269 --> 00:48:16,970
one of the reasons why

3173
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:17,570
if you look at my document, for

3174
00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:18,571
example, if you look

3175
00:48:18,571 --> 00:48:18,871
at

3176
00:48:18,871 --> 00:48:19,739
Section

3177
00:48:19,739 --> 00:48:20,773
2, the definition, you see

3178
00:48:20,773 --> 00:48:21,607
, you

3179
00:48:21,607 --> 00:48:22,909
see me specifically denote

3180
00:48:22,909 --> 00:48:23,576
the

3181
00:48:23,576 --> 00:48:23,876
difference between

3182
00:48:23,876 --> 00:48:24,143
ai systems

3183
00:48:24,143 --> 00:48:25,812
and

3184
00:48:25,812 --> 00:48:26,345
generative ai because those

3185
00:48:26,345 --> 00:48:27,713
two things

3186
00:48:27,713 --> 00:48:28,281
aren't necessarily

3187
00:48:28,281 --> 00:48:28,581
the same, and

3188
00:48:28,581 --> 00:48:29,950
you see

3189
00:48:29,950 --> 00:48:30,150
what

3190
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:30,817
I

3191
00:48:30,817 --> 00:48:31,985
articulated regarding

3192
00:48:31,985 --> 00:48:32,785
what

3193
00:48:32,785 --> 00:48:32,919
covered systems are. That

3194
00:48:32,919 --> 00:48:33,320
means

3195
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,587
that works

3196
00:48:34,587 --> 00:48:34,921
for that as

3197
00:48:34,921 --> 00:48:35,255
well

3198
00:48:35,255 --> 00:48:35,621
, um

3199
00:48:35,621 --> 00:48:36,723
some of

3200
00:48:36,723 --> 00:48:37,560
the things

3201
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:37,390
, uh, for

3202
00:48:37,390 --> 00:48:39,192
example

3203
00:48:39,192 --> 00:48:39,525
, consequential decision

3204
00:48:39,525 --> 00:48:41,227
making

3205
00:48:41,227 --> 00:48:41,728
. Some verbiage over

3206
00:48:41,728 --> 00:48:43,129
there as well

3207
00:48:43,129 --> 00:48:43,396
, I

3208
00:48:43,396 --> 00:48:44,163
added

3209
00:48:44,163 --> 00:48:45,899
meaningful human reviews. These

3210
00:48:45,899 --> 00:48:46,466
are things

3211
00:48:46,466 --> 00:48:47,367
that I've looked

3212
00:48:47,367 --> 00:48:48,167
at

3213
00:48:48,167 --> 00:48:48,568
regarding what I'm advising our

3214
00:48:48,568 --> 00:48:50,170
clients

3215
00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:50,870
are, so in the private,

3216
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:51,238
I mean, David, I'm sure you're

3217
00:48:51,238 --> 00:48:52,538
doing the

3218
00:48:52,538 --> 00:48:53,390
same thing, you know,

3219
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:54,240
your clients, hey

3220
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:54,908
, listen,

3221
00:48:54,908 --> 00:48:55,608
these are things that you want

3222
00:48:55,608 --> 00:48:56,576
in your policies to work

3223
00:48:56,576 --> 00:48:57,100
for

3224
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:57,510
that. The

3225
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:57,910
question becomes

3226
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:58,878
ultimately

3227
00:48:58,878 --> 00:48:59,145
is

3228
00:48:59,145 --> 00:48:59,345
that

3229
00:48:59,345 --> 00:48:59,980
what's

3230
00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:00,246
adaptable and this is why we

3231
00:49:00,246 --> 00:49:00,947
have

3232
00:49:00,947 --> 00:49:01,548
a

3233
00:49:01,548 --> 00:49:02,115
great attorney like Mike

3234
00:49:02,115 --> 00:49:03,383
who can tell us, ok

3235
00:49:03,383 --> 00:49:03,550
, what

3236
00:49:03,550 --> 00:49:03,983
, and

3237
00:49:03,983 --> 00:49:04,384
James is our

3238
00:49:04,384 --> 00:49:05,885
city manager

3239
00:49:05,885 --> 00:49:06,386
. What

3240
00:49:06,386 --> 00:49:06,686
makes sense

3241
00:49:06,686 --> 00:49:08,540
? What's

3242
00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:08,621
adaptable

3243
00:49:08,621 --> 00:49:09,220
for a public

3244
00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:09,556
entity as opposed

3245
00:49:09,556 --> 00:49:10,591
to a private entity

3246
00:49:10,591 --> 00:49:11,124
. Right

3247
00:49:11,124 --> 00:49:12,392
there as well

3248
00:49:12,392 --> 00:49:12,726
, but I think that

3249
00:49:12,726 --> 00:49:13,160
having

3250
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:13,693
that flexibility as

3251
00:49:13,693 --> 00:49:14,827
you're talking about

3252
00:49:14,827 --> 00:49:15,562
that

3253
00:49:15,562 --> 00:49:16,960
malleability to work to make

3254
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:17,630
sure that we have

3255
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:17,764
a system in

3256
00:49:17,764 --> 00:49:19,299
place that works, that's

3257
00:49:19,299 --> 00:49:19,633
great

3258
00:49:19,633 --> 00:49:20,166
.

3259
00:49:20,166 --> 00:49:21,268
My biggest concern

3260
00:49:21,268 --> 00:49:21,568
. Has

3261
00:49:21,568 --> 00:49:22,369
been

3262
00:49:22,369 --> 00:49:24,405
and continues to be that

3263
00:49:24,405 --> 00:49:24,804
. Not

3264
00:49:24,804 --> 00:49:26,673
only what

3265
00:49:26,673 --> 00:49:27,307
Jonathan said about

3266
00:49:27,307 --> 00:49:28,408
what folks, the

3267
00:49:28,408 --> 00:49:28,975
nice

3268
00:49:28,975 --> 00:49:30,844
shiny new

3269
00:49:30,844 --> 00:49:31,511
car or whatever the heck folks

3270
00:49:31,511 --> 00:49:32,579
are advertising for folks

3271
00:49:32,579 --> 00:49:33,213
to

3272
00:49:33,213 --> 00:49:33,384
grab in from that, but

3273
00:49:33,384 --> 00:49:33,813
the

3274
00:49:33,813 --> 00:49:35,480
reality of the

3275
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:35,782
situation is

3276
00:49:35,782 --> 00:49:37,500
that how do we go ahead

3277
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:37,751
and

3278
00:49:37,751 --> 00:49:39,720
address this in an

3279
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:40,520
area where

3280
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:40,820
no one's really addressing it.

3281
00:49:40,820 --> 00:49:41,955
Like

3282
00:49:41,955 --> 00:49:42,189
it's just so

3283
00:49:42,189 --> 00:49:42,890
, so

3284
00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:43,757
ultimately we come up

3285
00:49:43,757 --> 00:49:44,324
with a

3286
00:49:44,324 --> 00:49:44,658
policy and some ideas right

3287
00:49:44,658 --> 00:49:46,526
there

3288
00:49:46,526 --> 00:49:47,194
. Someone thinks they have

3289
00:49:47,194 --> 00:49:48,528
a great on deer on it

3290
00:49:48,528 --> 00:49:49,196
, and then

3291
00:49:49,196 --> 00:49:49,763
we, how many times have we sat

3292
00:49:49,763 --> 00:49:50,998
on this dice over

3293
00:49:50,998 --> 00:49:51,765
the years

3294
00:49:51,765 --> 00:49:53,266
where you have something from

3295
00:49:53,266 --> 00:49:53,900
the legislature or from the

3296
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:55,135
federal government that

3297
00:49:55,135 --> 00:49:55,535
has

3298
00:49:55,535 --> 00:49:56,203
serious

3299
00:49:56,203 --> 00:49:56,703
unintended consequences

3300
00:49:56,703 --> 00:49:57,704
in what they're

3301
00:49:57,704 --> 00:49:58,238
doing from

3302
00:49:58,238 --> 00:49:59,773
there as well

3303
00:49:59,773 --> 00:49:59,957
, so we

3304
00:49:59,957 --> 00:50:00,474
know

3305
00:50:00,474 --> 00:50:01,942
enough for what

3306
00:50:01,942 --> 00:50:02,643
we deal with

3307
00:50:02,643 --> 00:50:03,110
our cities and how they adapt

3308
00:50:03,110 --> 00:50:04,544
that and move

3309
00:50:04,544 --> 00:50:05,450
that forward. I

3310
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:05,512
do want to say

3311
00:50:05,512 --> 00:50:06,847
that one of the

3312
00:50:06,847 --> 00:50:07,414
things I want to pray, I want

3313
00:50:07,414 --> 00:50:08,715
to appreciate Mike

3314
00:50:08,715 --> 00:50:09,383
for is that

3315
00:50:09,383 --> 00:50:09,617
I did look at the city

3316
00:50:09,617 --> 00:50:09,983
of

3317
00:50:09,983 --> 00:50:11,218
Arlington

3318
00:50:11,218 --> 00:50:11,518
, and I thought that

3319
00:50:11,518 --> 00:50:11,718
was

3320
00:50:11,718 --> 00:50:13,453
a

3321
00:50:13,453 --> 00:50:14,870
very interesting policy

3322
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:14,721
and how they deal with some

3323
00:50:14,721 --> 00:50:15,356
things, so I try to adapt some

3324
00:50:15,356 --> 00:50:15,956
of those aspects to it

3325
00:50:15,956 --> 00:50:16,490
. There.

3326
00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:18,580
Do you have a red

3327
00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:18,492
line version

3328
00:50:18,492 --> 00:50:18,825
?

3329
00:50:18,825 --> 00:50:20,727
I do

3330
00:50:20,727 --> 00:50:21,280
. And what I can

3331
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,396
do is

3332
00:50:22,396 --> 00:50:23,300
, is

3333
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:24,398
send the red line

3334
00:50:24,398 --> 00:50:24,631
version. Yeah

3335
00:50:24,631 --> 00:50:24,898
I

3336
00:50:24,898 --> 00:50:25,365
think

3337
00:50:25,365 --> 00:50:26,767
that just

3338
00:50:26,767 --> 00:50:26,900
skimming

3339
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:27,167
over

3340
00:50:27,167 --> 00:50:28,350
it

3341
00:50:28,350 --> 00:50:29,360
, um, what's actually

3342
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:29,270
kind

3343
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:29,737
of

3344
00:50:29,737 --> 00:50:31,439
funny is

3345
00:50:31,439 --> 00:50:32,105
that uh probably about

3346
00:50:32,105 --> 00:50:33,374
a month ago when our

3347
00:50:33,374 --> 00:50:34,175
city

3348
00:50:34,175 --> 00:50:34,842
attorney and city manager and I

3349
00:50:34,842 --> 00:50:35,943
started working on

3350
00:50:35,943 --> 00:50:36,477
the draft

3351
00:50:36,477 --> 00:50:36,744
that I sent

3352
00:50:36,744 --> 00:50:38,450
over

3353
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:38,579
. I think mine

3354
00:50:38,579 --> 00:50:40,414
was 19 or 20

3355
00:50:40,414 --> 00:50:41,148
pages long. Uh,

3356
00:50:41,148 --> 00:50:42,383
and over the course of the

3357
00:50:42,383 --> 00:50:43,217
last

3358
00:50:43,217 --> 00:50:44,718
30 days or so as we've been

3359
00:50:44,718 --> 00:50:45,219
talking

3360
00:50:45,219 --> 00:50:45,653
about enforceability

3361
00:50:45,653 --> 00:50:47,154
and how to

3362
00:50:47,154 --> 00:50:47,921
actually

3363
00:50:47,921 --> 00:50:49,857
operationalize a policy like

3364
00:50:49,857 --> 00:50:50,324
this, was able to sort of

3365
00:50:50,324 --> 00:50:51,559
Simplify it

3366
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:51,825
and trim it

3367
00:50:51,825 --> 00:50:51,930
down

3368
00:50:51,930 --> 00:50:52,426
,

3369
00:50:52,426 --> 00:50:53,761
mostly by things

3370
00:50:53,761 --> 00:50:54,528
that you are

3371
00:50:54,528 --> 00:50:55,863
added into yours, so I don't

3372
00:50:55,863 --> 00:50:56,430
,

3373
00:50:56,430 --> 00:50:57,640
so I don't disagree, but

3374
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:57,598
there's a balance there that I

3375
00:50:57,598 --> 00:50:58,265
think we're going

3376
00:50:58,265 --> 00:50:58,432
to have

3377
00:50:58,432 --> 00:50:58,833
to

3378
00:50:58,833 --> 00:51:00,801
strike of

3379
00:51:00,801 --> 00:51:01,602
. Having everything

3380
00:51:01,602 --> 00:51:02,971
truly defined out to the letter

3381
00:51:02,971 --> 00:51:03,570
which I love

3382
00:51:03,570 --> 00:51:04,672
and appreciate

3383
00:51:04,672 --> 00:51:05,306
,

3384
00:51:05,306 --> 00:51:06,730
but I've also had the

3385
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:07,842
conversations

3386
00:51:07,842 --> 00:51:08,142
around how do we

3387
00:51:08,142 --> 00:51:09,610
get

3388
00:51:09,610 --> 00:51:10,377
this entire

3389
00:51:10,377 --> 00:51:12,377
organism

3390
00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:12,847
, um,

3391
00:51:12,847 --> 00:51:13,814
to understand

3392
00:51:13,814 --> 00:51:14,281
and

3393
00:51:14,281 --> 00:51:14,815
fully gra,

3394
00:51:14,815 --> 00:51:16,484
you know, what is

3395
00:51:16,484 --> 00:51:17,251
, what's

3396
00:51:17,251 --> 00:51:17,752
expected. So one of the things

3397
00:51:17,752 --> 00:51:18,753
you'll notice

3398
00:51:18,753 --> 00:51:18,953
in here is

3399
00:51:18,953 --> 00:51:19,220
that

3400
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:20,654
it's

3401
00:51:20,654 --> 00:51:21,655
, it's

3402
00:51:21,655 --> 00:51:23,324
less prescriptive

3403
00:51:23,324 --> 00:51:23,958
,

3404
00:51:23,958 --> 00:51:24,258
um, regarding the flexibility

3405
00:51:24,258 --> 00:51:25,560
for

3406
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:25,826
city manager and

3407
00:51:25,826 --> 00:51:25,991
city

3408
00:51:25,991 --> 00:51:26,327
staff

3409
00:51:26,327 --> 00:51:27,595
because

3410
00:51:27,595 --> 00:51:28,195
one of the things is

3411
00:51:28,195 --> 00:51:28,796
that I don't want to be too

3412
00:51:28,796 --> 00:51:29,530
prescriptive on what you're

3413
00:51:29,530 --> 00:51:30,265
actually going and working for

3414
00:51:30,265 --> 00:51:30,865
.

3415
00:51:30,865 --> 00:51:31,932
But anything that's

3416
00:51:31,932 --> 00:51:32,500
actually,

3417
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:32,934
you know, you know

3418
00:51:32,934 --> 00:51:34,869
, citizen

3419
00:51:34,869 --> 00:51:35,202
facing citizen data, I mean,

3420
00:51:35,202 --> 00:51:37,710
that's

3421
00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:37,438
. That's a lie and that's

3422
00:51:37,438 --> 00:51:39,106
a wall

3423
00:51:39,106 --> 00:51:39,253
. And so what do we do

3424
00:51:39,253 --> 00:51:39,774
?

3425
00:51:39,774 --> 00:51:40,208
What procedures, what other

3426
00:51:40,208 --> 00:51:41,142
aspects do

3427
00:51:41,142 --> 00:51:41,809
we put in that? So

3428
00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:42,430
Rudy, is there anything, I mean

3429
00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:43,344
I

3430
00:51:43,344 --> 00:51:44,145
, I really

3431
00:51:44,145 --> 00:51:45,346
, um, agree

3432
00:51:45,346 --> 00:51:45,947
with

3433
00:51:45,947 --> 00:51:46,547
COUNCILMAN Kaufman's assertion

3434
00:51:46,547 --> 00:51:48,382
that, you know, he's

3435
00:51:48,382 --> 00:51:49,830
consolidated it quite a bit and

3436
00:51:49,830 --> 00:51:49,383
I know, you know, I appreciate

3437
00:51:49,383 --> 00:51:50,251
all

3438
00:51:50,251 --> 00:51:50,651
the work you did

3439
00:51:50,651 --> 00:51:51,320
. Is there

3440
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,954
anything in

3441
00:51:52,954 --> 00:51:53,387
your version that

3442
00:51:53,387 --> 00:51:54,722
you really

3443
00:51:54,722 --> 00:51:55,356
feel it needs to be

3444
00:51:55,356 --> 00:51:57,240
in Jonathan's version, so

3445
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,240
. It

3446
00:52:03,364 --> 00:52:03,664
a

3447
00:52:03,664 --> 00:52:05,664
lot

3448
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:06,367
attorney wording

3449
00:52:06,367 --> 00:52:06,668
hyphens

3450
00:52:06,668 --> 00:52:08,202
and

3451
00:52:08,202 --> 00:52:08,703
everything else, so

3452
00:52:08,703 --> 00:52:09,370
vendor,

3453
00:52:09,370 --> 00:52:10,171
vendor

3454
00:52:10,171 --> 00:52:10,571
data

3455
00:52:10,571 --> 00:52:10,938
use, right

3456
00:52:10,938 --> 00:52:11,340
? Like

3457
00:52:11,340 --> 00:52:12,974
what do we

3458
00:52:12,974 --> 00:52:13,675
have specifically on

3459
00:52:13,675 --> 00:52:14,876
there for any vendors that

3460
00:52:14,876 --> 00:52:15,176
we

3461
00:52:15,176 --> 00:52:15,743
got

3462
00:52:15,743 --> 00:52:17,780
Agenic ai

3463
00:52:17,780 --> 00:52:17,779
, um, what can it

3464
00:52:17,779 --> 00:52:18,146
be used to send or go in and

3465
00:52:18,146 --> 00:52:19,547
contact

3466
00:52:19,547 --> 00:52:20,810
information. What

3467
00:52:20,810 --> 00:52:21,650
generate ii be

3468
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:22,500
utilized

3469
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:22,483
for

3470
00:52:22,483 --> 00:52:24,253
employees

3471
00:52:24,253 --> 00:52:24,952
, um, but are those

3472
00:52:24,952 --> 00:52:25,186
things that we really need now,

3473
00:52:25,186 --> 00:52:26,755
or

3474
00:52:26,755 --> 00:52:27,356
are they things that we

3475
00:52:27,356 --> 00:52:28,189
could add as we're

3476
00:52:28,189 --> 00:52:28,990
moving

3477
00:52:28,990 --> 00:52:29,129
forward in this. It's a work

3478
00:52:29,129 --> 00:52:29,457
in

3479
00:52:29,457 --> 00:52:31,590
progress

3480
00:52:31,590 --> 00:52:31,826
. I would say that

3481
00:52:31,826 --> 00:52:32,660
these are things that if I

3482
00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:33,328
,

3483
00:52:33,328 --> 00:52:33,961
well, I mean, I think you know

3484
00:52:33,961 --> 00:52:34,295
me well enough and I've been

3485
00:52:34,295 --> 00:52:35,396
doing

3486
00:52:35,396 --> 00:52:35,930
this long enough where

3487
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:37,799
it's, it's um

3488
00:52:37,799 --> 00:52:38,100
Everything that

3489
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:39,701
I've

3490
00:52:39,701 --> 00:52:40,301
been advised this is

3491
00:52:40,301 --> 00:52:40,668
probably going about 3, and

3492
00:52:40,668 --> 00:52:42,300
this has

3493
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:42,337
been an issue for

3494
00:52:42,337 --> 00:52:42,904
about

3495
00:52:42,904 --> 00:52:44,239
3.5 years

3496
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,106
and actually I

3497
00:52:45,106 --> 00:52:46,308
want to give credit. She's not

3498
00:52:46,308 --> 00:52:48,308
here

3499
00:52:48,910 --> 00:52:49,410
Mimi Stiles

3500
00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:50,745
years ago

3501
00:52:50,745 --> 00:52:51,790
, um,

3502
00:52:51,790 --> 00:52:51,280
we had

3503
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:51,780
a

3504
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:52,814
conversation and

3505
00:52:52,814 --> 00:52:53,415
we

3506
00:52:53,415 --> 00:52:53,982
started talking about it and

3507
00:52:53,982 --> 00:52:54,416
let me tell you what the

3508
00:52:54,416 --> 00:52:55,316
impetus for

3509
00:52:55,316 --> 00:52:55,550
me

3510
00:52:55,550 --> 00:52:55,951
was

3511
00:52:55,951 --> 00:52:56,452
, was that I,

3512
00:52:56,452 --> 00:52:57,719
I know all too

3513
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,386
well in the

3514
00:52:58,386 --> 00:53:00,880
legal profession that

3515
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:00,722
cross-racial identification is

3516
00:53:00,722 --> 00:53:01,990
a real issue. That is

3517
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:02,724
a

3518
00:53:02,724 --> 00:53:03,358
significant issue that happens

3519
00:53:03,358 --> 00:53:04,526
across the border and a

3520
00:53:04,526 --> 00:53:05,126
variety

3521
00:53:05,126 --> 00:53:05,493
of different aspects. When I

3522
00:53:05,493 --> 00:53:06,795
started

3523
00:53:06,795 --> 00:53:07,368
to realize kind of what

3524
00:53:07,368 --> 00:53:07,529
Les said

3525
00:53:07,529 --> 00:53:08,964
is

3526
00:53:08,964 --> 00:53:09,497
um regarding the

3527
00:53:09,497 --> 00:53:11,132
fact that

3528
00:53:11,132 --> 00:53:11,466
we're

3529
00:53:11,466 --> 00:53:12,330
training ai

3530
00:53:12,330 --> 00:53:13,635
models and ai systems

3531
00:53:13,635 --> 00:53:14,690
. On

3532
00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:15,804
flawed data

3533
00:53:15,804 --> 00:53:16,438
. And if we're

3534
00:53:16,438 --> 00:53:16,705
having the flaws in those days

3535
00:53:16,705 --> 00:53:18,440
in

3536
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,207
the specific data itself,

3537
00:53:19,207 --> 00:53:20,475
then what we're inputting, what

3538
00:53:20,475 --> 00:53:21,900
are you garbage in

3539
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:22,144
garbage out

3540
00:53:22,144 --> 00:53:22,911
.

3541
00:53:22,911 --> 00:53:23,345
So over the last, I mean, what

3542
00:53:23,345 --> 00:53:24,613
you're gonna

3543
00:53:24,613 --> 00:53:25,447
see, Caesar, is

3544
00:53:25,447 --> 00:53:27,683
that this is developed over

3545
00:53:27,683 --> 00:53:27,816
3

3546
00:53:27,816 --> 00:53:28,250
,

3547
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:29,685
what is it

3548
00:53:29,685 --> 00:53:31,286
? 2026

3549
00:53:31,286 --> 00:53:32,530
, 3.5 years.

3550
00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:33,622
This is, this is me

3551
00:53:33,622 --> 00:53:34,122
working

3552
00:53:34,122 --> 00:53:34,589
through with

3553
00:53:34,589 --> 00:53:36,258
clients going

3554
00:53:36,258 --> 00:53:36,959
through information CLEs,

3555
00:53:36,959 --> 00:53:38,627
everything else. These are

3556
00:53:38,627 --> 00:53:38,961
things I'm saying, ok, this is

3557
00:53:38,961 --> 00:53:39,394
what I

3558
00:53:39,394 --> 00:53:40,295
think needs to

3559
00:53:40,295 --> 00:53:41,130
be to

3560
00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:41,364
rock bed in here with that. I,

3561
00:53:41,364 --> 00:53:43,165
I

3562
00:53:43,165 --> 00:53:43,832
, I mean, what I'd like to do

3563
00:53:43,832 --> 00:53:44,966
is that, if possible, is

3564
00:53:44,966 --> 00:53:45,267
to go

3565
00:53:45,267 --> 00:53:45,934
back

3566
00:53:45,934 --> 00:53:47,302
with Jonathan and go back

3567
00:53:47,302 --> 00:53:47,502
with David and

3568
00:53:47,502 --> 00:53:48,103
have a

3569
00:53:48,103 --> 00:53:48,437
conversation about that, but

3570
00:53:48,437 --> 00:53:49,372
we've

3571
00:53:49,372 --> 00:53:49,972
got

3572
00:53:49,972 --> 00:53:50,472
to decide that as a

3573
00:53:50,472 --> 00:53:51,940
council because

3574
00:53:51,940 --> 00:53:52,174
. We

3575
00:53:52,174 --> 00:53:52,974
don't have

3576
00:53:52,974 --> 00:53:54,110
a subcommittee on this. Right

3577
00:53:54,110 --> 00:53:54,710
.

3578
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:56,311
Well, let me

3579
00:53:56,311 --> 00:53:56,745
say, first of all,

3580
00:53:56,745 --> 00:53:58,413
I want to

3581
00:53:58,413 --> 00:53:59,114
Jonathan for doing

3582
00:53:59,114 --> 00:54:01,417
the heavy lifting on this

3583
00:54:01,417 --> 00:54:01,750
. And

3584
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:03,318
the

3585
00:54:03,318 --> 00:54:03,919
first draft is always the

3586
00:54:03,919 --> 00:54:05,520
hardest draft

3587
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:06,121
, and

3588
00:54:06,121 --> 00:54:06,421
, and he, he,

3589
00:54:06,421 --> 00:54:07,723
he put

3590
00:54:07,723 --> 00:54:08,123
a lot

3591
00:54:08,123 --> 00:54:08,557
out

3592
00:54:08,557 --> 00:54:09,358
there. One

3593
00:54:09,358 --> 00:54:10,259
of

3594
00:54:10,259 --> 00:54:13,259
the things that I looked

3595
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:13,499
for

3596
00:54:13,499 --> 00:54:13,658
specifically

3597
00:54:13,658 --> 00:54:13,792
in

3598
00:54:13,792 --> 00:54:13,927
your version,

3599
00:54:13,927 --> 00:54:14,930
Rudy

3600
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:15,364
, because Jonathan and i

3601
00:54:15,364 --> 00:54:16,365
had talked

3602
00:54:16,365 --> 00:54:16,765
about it

3603
00:54:16,765 --> 00:54:17,300
as

3604
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:19,268
something that

3605
00:54:19,268 --> 00:54:19,735
is

3606
00:54:19,735 --> 00:54:20,402
actually

3607
00:54:20,402 --> 00:54:20,736
missing, uh, and that we think

3608
00:54:20,736 --> 00:54:21,637
needed

3609
00:54:21,637 --> 00:54:22,700
to

3610
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:23,305
be added was

3611
00:54:23,305 --> 00:54:23,439
an

3612
00:54:23,439 --> 00:54:24,239
audit

3613
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,240
feature. I know you have

3614
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:25,941
one

3615
00:54:25,941 --> 00:54:26,408
paragraph where you speak to

3616
00:54:26,408 --> 00:54:28,430
audits, but I

3617
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:28,444
think we might

3618
00:54:28,444 --> 00:54:29,110
want to

3619
00:54:29,110 --> 00:54:30,345
strengthen that, um

3620
00:54:30,345 --> 00:54:30,913
.

3621
00:54:30,913 --> 00:54:32,281
And uh I think

3622
00:54:32,281 --> 00:54:32,815
you're right

3623
00:54:32,815 --> 00:54:34,283
there, there are

3624
00:54:34,283 --> 00:54:34,851
a

3625
00:54:34,851 --> 00:54:35,218
few

3626
00:54:35,218 --> 00:54:35,551
areas

3627
00:54:35,551 --> 00:54:37,152
where

3628
00:54:37,152 --> 00:54:37,820
where Jonathan and I want

3629
00:54:37,820 --> 00:54:39,288
to make

3630
00:54:39,288 --> 00:54:39,555
, I think we've agreed

3631
00:54:39,555 --> 00:54:39,822
on

3632
00:54:39,822 --> 00:54:41,590
some

3633
00:54:41,590 --> 00:54:42,191
additional edits some

3634
00:54:42,191 --> 00:54:43,626
that were, you know

3635
00:54:43,626 --> 00:54:43,793
, not

3636
00:54:43,793 --> 00:54:44,590
, not

3637
00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:45,694
100%

3638
00:54:45,694 --> 00:54:46,195
. On

3639
00:54:46,195 --> 00:54:46,395
board with and we

3640
00:54:46,395 --> 00:54:46,729
want

3641
00:54:46,729 --> 00:54:48,640
to talk

3642
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:48,331
about those, I

3643
00:54:48,331 --> 00:54:48,831
think in

3644
00:54:48,831 --> 00:54:50,266
in some detail

3645
00:54:50,266 --> 00:54:50,800
. Um

3646
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,000
, But

3647
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,635
I

3648
00:54:52,635 --> 00:54:53,302
, I, I

3649
00:54:53,302 --> 00:54:53,770
hear where

3650
00:54:53,770 --> 00:54:55,572
Councilmaniz is

3651
00:54:55,572 --> 00:54:56,839
coming from, you know, let's

3652
00:54:56,839 --> 00:54:57,173
,

3653
00:54:57,173 --> 00:54:57,440
let's

3654
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,700
get

3655
00:54:58,700 --> 00:54:58,908
something in place

3656
00:54:58,908 --> 00:54:59,375
,

3657
00:54:59,375 --> 00:54:59,909
and then we

3658
00:54:59,909 --> 00:55:00,276
can, we can tweak

3659
00:55:00,276 --> 00:55:02,276
it later

3660
00:55:02,511 --> 00:55:03,746
. And the one

3661
00:55:03,746 --> 00:55:04,180
of the

3662
00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:04,447
questions I

3663
00:55:04,447 --> 00:55:05,982
have

3664
00:55:05,982 --> 00:55:06,148
, um, and I

3665
00:55:06,148 --> 00:55:06,916
,

3666
00:55:06,916 --> 00:55:07,183
and this counsel to be question

3667
00:55:07,183 --> 00:55:08,150
for

3668
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:08,651
the

3669
00:55:08,651 --> 00:55:08,885
whole council is

3670
00:55:08,885 --> 00:55:09,120
, do

3671
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:09,285
we

3672
00:55:09,285 --> 00:55:10,687
want

3673
00:55:10,687 --> 00:55:11,387
to

3674
00:55:11,387 --> 00:55:12,455
wait to pass

3675
00:55:12,455 --> 00:55:12,788
something

3676
00:55:12,788 --> 00:55:13,220
until

3677
00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:13,356
we

3678
00:55:13,356 --> 00:55:13,590
have

3679
00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:14,957
a

3680
00:55:14,957 --> 00:55:15,358
strong audit

3681
00:55:15,358 --> 00:55:17,358
provision

3682
00:55:17,527 --> 00:55:17,761
. Or do

3683
00:55:17,761 --> 00:55:19,295
we

3684
00:55:19,295 --> 00:55:19,595
want

3685
00:55:19,595 --> 00:55:20,296
to

3686
00:55:20,296 --> 00:55:21,631
pass something and

3687
00:55:21,631 --> 00:55:21,793
come

3688
00:55:21,793 --> 00:55:22,198
back

3689
00:55:22,198 --> 00:55:24,133
and do an

3690
00:55:24,133 --> 00:55:24,467
audit provision as a

3691
00:55:24,467 --> 00:55:26,402
as an

3692
00:55:26,402 --> 00:55:26,770
add-on later

3693
00:55:26,770 --> 00:55:27,270
, and I'm,

3694
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:28,371
I'm agnostic

3695
00:55:28,371 --> 00:55:28,671
about

3696
00:55:28,671 --> 00:55:29,472
that. Uh, I

3697
00:55:29,472 --> 00:55:30,840
think we can do it. We can do

3698
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:31,307
it

3699
00:55:31,307 --> 00:55:32,875
either way

3700
00:55:32,875 --> 00:55:33,109
, um, but

3701
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:33,510
i think

3702
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:35,345
that the

3703
00:55:35,345 --> 00:55:35,645
, the auditing of the

3704
00:55:35,645 --> 00:55:37,645
system

3705
00:55:37,881 --> 00:55:38,547
. One of the

3706
00:55:38,547 --> 00:55:39,649
Things that

3707
00:55:39,649 --> 00:55:41,649
has

3708
00:55:42,510 --> 00:55:42,652
but recently

3709
00:55:42,652 --> 00:55:43,953
, is that

3710
00:55:43,953 --> 00:55:44,253
a

3711
00:55:44,253 --> 00:55:44,821
very

3712
00:55:44,821 --> 00:55:46,821
Um

3713
00:55:49,158 --> 00:55:49,327
, I'm searching for

3714
00:55:49,327 --> 00:55:49,759
an

3715
00:55:49,759 --> 00:55:50,860
adjective, and

3716
00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:51,427
I'm coming up

3717
00:55:51,427 --> 00:55:53,396
short. Let's just

3718
00:55:53,396 --> 00:55:53,663
say it

3719
00:55:53,663 --> 00:55:53,997
, an

3720
00:55:53,997 --> 00:55:55,798
audit

3721
00:55:55,798 --> 00:55:56,266
, uh, can reveal

3722
00:55:56,266 --> 00:55:58,340
. Uh

3723
00:55:58,340 --> 00:56:00,340
The

3724
00:56:01,337 --> 00:56:02,338
Substantial problems

3725
00:56:02,338 --> 00:56:02,839
with

3726
00:56:02,839 --> 00:56:04,774
these

3727
00:56:04,774 --> 00:56:05,608
technologies and I think we

3728
00:56:05,608 --> 00:56:07,430
need to make sure that we have

3729
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:08,945
a system in place

3730
00:56:08,945 --> 00:56:09,546
. Um

3731
00:56:09,546 --> 00:56:11,140
, regular

3732
00:56:11,140 --> 00:56:11,714
,

3733
00:56:11,714 --> 00:56:12,115
uh, perhaps outside as well as

3734
00:56:12,115 --> 00:56:13,583
inside to

3735
00:56:13,583 --> 00:56:13,950
make

3736
00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:14,184
sure that

3737
00:56:14,184 --> 00:56:14,818
we

3738
00:56:14,818 --> 00:56:15,585
don't, we don't MISS

3739
00:56:15,585 --> 00:56:16,119
These

3740
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:17,887
things because Uh

3741
00:56:17,887 --> 00:56:18,354
, you know

3742
00:56:18,354 --> 00:56:18,988
, um

3743
00:56:18,988 --> 00:56:20,724
it's new to all of us

3744
00:56:20,724 --> 00:56:20,881
. Um

3745
00:56:20,881 --> 00:56:21,157
, even

3746
00:56:21,157 --> 00:56:22,492
the

3747
00:56:22,492 --> 00:56:22,792
people who are

3748
00:56:22,792 --> 00:56:23,560
doing it

3749
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:24,661
don't really understand what

3750
00:56:24,661 --> 00:56:24,961
it

3751
00:56:24,961 --> 00:56:25,528
does

3752
00:56:25,528 --> 00:56:27,497
. Um

3753
00:56:27,497 --> 00:56:27,964
, and at least on the

3754
00:56:27,964 --> 00:56:29,990
bleeding edge

3755
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:29,966
of it

3756
00:56:29,966 --> 00:56:31,267
, um, and

3757
00:56:31,267 --> 00:56:31,968
,

3758
00:56:31,968 --> 00:56:32,168
uh, you know, we need

3759
00:56:32,168 --> 00:56:32,635
to make

3760
00:56:32,635 --> 00:56:34,270
sure that the

3761
00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:34,838
Um

3762
00:56:34,838 --> 00:56:36,406
, we

3763
00:56:36,406 --> 00:56:36,906
have not

3764
00:56:36,906 --> 00:56:38,241
that we have a

3765
00:56:38,241 --> 00:56:39,420
performance

3766
00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:39,376
audit of what it, what

3767
00:56:39,376 --> 00:56:40,377
it does

3768
00:56:40,377 --> 00:56:40,910
,

3769
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:43,310
and we need to

3770
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,615
We would need to

3771
00:56:45,615 --> 00:56:46,182
use the technology, but we need

3772
00:56:46,182 --> 00:56:47,484
to make sure that

3773
00:56:47,484 --> 00:56:48,840
technology

3774
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,620
doesn't trip us up

3775
00:56:49,620 --> 00:56:49,801
. So, yeah

3776
00:56:49,801 --> 00:56:50,220
,

3777
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:50,654
to your point

3778
00:56:50,654 --> 00:56:51,822
, and you just

3779
00:56:51,822 --> 00:56:52,289
said it

3780
00:56:52,289 --> 00:56:52,857
yourself. If you look

3781
00:56:52,857 --> 00:56:53,990
at page 9, there's

3782
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:54,491
a reason why

3783
00:56:54,491 --> 00:56:54,991
I put so

3784
00:56:54,991 --> 00:56:56,393
much

3785
00:56:56,393 --> 00:56:56,760
regarding vendor

3786
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,494
data use

3787
00:56:57,494 --> 00:56:58,962
. Because I think one

3788
00:56:58,962 --> 00:56:59,463
of the concerns, one of the

3789
00:56:59,463 --> 00:57:01,164
issues is that

3790
00:57:01,164 --> 00:57:01,565
the totality of

3791
00:57:01,565 --> 00:57:01,898
what's being

3792
00:57:01,898 --> 00:57:03,330
utilized

3793
00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:03,600
, no

3794
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,200
outside party receives an

3795
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,535
independent right to

3796
00:57:05,535 --> 00:57:05,802
train

3797
00:57:05,802 --> 00:57:06,236
or

3798
00:57:06,236 --> 00:57:07,570
improve the

3799
00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:08,338
model developed on

3800
00:57:08,338 --> 00:57:09,506
unrelated product types, etc

3801
00:57:09,506 --> 00:57:10,173
.

3802
00:57:10,173 --> 00:57:10,875
Right there as well. You see

3803
00:57:10,875 --> 00:57:12,750
that list and talks about

3804
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:12,609
the

3805
00:57:12,609 --> 00:57:14,111
specific contracts

3806
00:57:14,111 --> 00:57:14,778
the the

3807
00:57:14,778 --> 00:57:16,480
vendor disclosements

3808
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:17,114
, the

3809
00:57:17,114 --> 00:57:17,781
non-compliance, which I think

3810
00:57:17,781 --> 00:57:18,582
is a key portion to that

3811
00:57:18,582 --> 00:57:19,282
and

3812
00:57:19,282 --> 00:57:19,417
working for there. You

3813
00:57:19,417 --> 00:57:19,716
also

3814
00:57:19,716 --> 00:57:20,852
feed

3815
00:57:20,852 --> 00:57:21,151
right

3816
00:57:21,151 --> 00:57:21,952
into

3817
00:57:21,952 --> 00:57:23,854
required vendor

3818
00:57:23,854 --> 00:57:25,589
contractual obligations

3819
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:26,190
.

3820
00:57:26,190 --> 00:57:26,990
Pre-existing ip ai output

3821
00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:28,859
ownership, third party infringe

3822
00:57:28,859 --> 00:57:30,610
city

3823
00:57:30,610 --> 00:57:30,360
funded

3824
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:30,761
deliverables,

3825
00:57:30,761 --> 00:57:32,229
liability

3826
00:57:32,229 --> 00:57:32,863
and

3827
00:57:32,863 --> 00:57:33,264
insurance. Um,

3828
00:57:33,264 --> 00:57:34,498
those are

3829
00:57:34,498 --> 00:57:35,320
things

3830
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:35,799
that literally

3831
00:57:35,799 --> 00:57:37,434
there weren't, they weren't in

3832
00:57:37,434 --> 00:57:38,680
the previous copy and like I

3833
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,169
said, Jonathan's saying

3834
00:57:39,169 --> 00:57:40,237
that

3835
00:57:40,237 --> 00:57:40,704
were in some iteration, and

3836
00:57:40,704 --> 00:57:42,606
that's why I'm

3837
00:57:42,606 --> 00:57:43,440
. Go back for

3838
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,374
,

3839
00:57:44,374 --> 00:57:44,775
but I, I mean, you're a lawyer.

3840
00:57:44,775 --> 00:57:46,210
You don't

3841
00:57:46,210 --> 00:57:46,810
, you don't just, you

3842
00:57:46,810 --> 00:57:47,311
know, you bet, you know, we

3843
00:57:47,311 --> 00:57:48,178
don't, we don't

3844
00:57:48,178 --> 00:57:49,460
tell clients to

3845
00:57:49,460 --> 00:57:50,681
just pass something to go ahead

3846
00:57:50,681 --> 00:57:51,315
and in the subset, it's like do

3847
00:57:51,315 --> 00:57:52,650
the best you can right

3848
00:57:52,650 --> 00:57:53,250
now from

3849
00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:53,850
the onset and then go from

3850
00:57:53,850 --> 00:57:55,180
there as well. Well

3851
00:57:55,180 --> 00:57:55,386
, I

3852
00:57:55,386 --> 00:57:55,720
, um, I

3853
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,200
guess

3854
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:57,554
. It

3855
00:57:57,554 --> 00:57:57,721
would be how

3856
00:57:57,721 --> 00:57:58,155
much

3857
00:57:58,155 --> 00:58:00,155
time are we

3858
00:58:00,190 --> 00:58:00,457
saying would

3859
00:58:00,457 --> 00:58:01,910
be

3860
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:01,892
between versions. If

3861
00:58:01,892 --> 00:58:02,292
we're

3862
00:58:02,292 --> 00:58:02,626
saying, ok

3863
00:58:02,626 --> 00:58:02,893
, let's

3864
00:58:02,893 --> 00:58:03,961
wait

3865
00:58:03,961 --> 00:58:04,161
2

3866
00:58:04,161 --> 00:58:04,962
weeks

3867
00:58:04,962 --> 00:58:06,164
until we can get something

3868
00:58:06,164 --> 00:58:07,640
that

3869
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,990
is more substantial and covers

3870
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:09,700
everything versus, ok, well, we

3871
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:10,734
need to do something

3872
00:58:10,734 --> 00:58:11,368
that's

3873
00:58:11,368 --> 00:58:11,802
gonna take a year to, to do

3874
00:58:11,802 --> 00:58:12,970
that. I, I

3875
00:58:12,970 --> 00:58:13,704
, I'd rather wait the

3876
00:58:13,704 --> 00:58:15,172
two weeks and get it done

3877
00:58:15,172 --> 00:58:15,873
first

3878
00:58:15,873 --> 00:58:18,760
and you know, and then

3879
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:18,375
reevaluate it in a year rather

3880
00:58:18,375 --> 00:58:19,911
than

3881
00:58:19,911 --> 00:58:20,345
I have college football

3882
00:58:20,345 --> 00:58:22,345
this weekend

3883
00:58:22,547 --> 00:58:23,800
um, otherwise I

3884
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:24,348
don't see why we

3885
00:58:24,348 --> 00:58:26,348
can't be done

3886
00:58:26,418 --> 00:58:27,840
.

3887
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:27,651
Otherwise, I mean, I don't see

3888
00:58:27,651 --> 00:58:28,619
why this can't get

3889
00:58:28,619 --> 00:58:29,286
done

3890
00:58:29,286 --> 00:58:29,887
seriously over the weekend. So

3891
00:58:29,887 --> 00:58:30,855
the other thing that

3892
00:58:30,855 --> 00:58:31,622
needs to,

3893
00:58:31,622 --> 00:58:32,923
that needs to be done

3894
00:58:32,923 --> 00:58:33,190
is the um

3895
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:33,858
is

3896
00:58:33,858 --> 00:58:35,393
the ordinance for

3897
00:58:35,393 --> 00:58:35,760
a

3898
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,394
resident

3899
00:58:36,394 --> 00:58:37,280
advisory committee as well,

3900
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:37,495
which is not included

3901
00:58:37,495 --> 00:58:38,950
, I think

3902
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:38,429
in either one of these, but

3903
00:58:38,429 --> 00:58:39,897
we've

3904
00:58:39,897 --> 00:58:40,431
talked about and we've

3905
00:58:40,431 --> 00:58:40,865
talked about it and we've

3906
00:58:40,865 --> 00:58:42,233
agreed to it

3907
00:58:42,233 --> 00:58:43,200
, so everyone on

3908
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,102
the council were all on the

3909
00:58:45,102 --> 00:58:45,404
same page, and I, and I bring

3910
00:58:45,404 --> 00:58:46,770
that

3911
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:47,405
up partially because I

3912
00:58:47,405 --> 00:58:48,640
don't this topic isn't

3913
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,340
going

3914
00:58:49,340 --> 00:58:50,740
away and we know we have to do

3915
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:51,142
the work on that piece of

3916
00:58:51,142 --> 00:58:51,258
it

3917
00:58:51,258 --> 00:58:51,642
as

3918
00:58:51,642 --> 00:58:52,210
well, and

3919
00:58:52,210 --> 00:58:53,545
so, you know, while

3920
00:58:53,545 --> 00:58:54,312
I

3921
00:58:54,312 --> 00:58:55,646
think it's important that we

3922
00:58:55,646 --> 00:58:56,180
get something

3923
00:58:56,180 --> 00:58:56,547
in place rather

3924
00:58:56,547 --> 00:58:57,982
quickly

3925
00:58:57,982 --> 00:58:58,650
because we're already

3926
00:58:58,650 --> 00:58:59,116
tripping over ourselves in some

3927
00:58:59,116 --> 00:59:00,170
of this stuff

3928
00:59:00,170 --> 00:59:01,152
, um

3929
00:59:01,152 --> 00:59:02,120
. You know

3930
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:02,420
,

3931
00:59:02,420 --> 00:59:03,154
I'm

3932
00:59:03,154 --> 00:59:04,589
, I'm open to waiting

3933
00:59:04,589 --> 00:59:05,523
, but

3934
00:59:05,523 --> 00:59:07,258
to Melody's point, I think we'd

3935
00:59:07,258 --> 00:59:07,592
need to figure it out pretty

3936
00:59:07,592 --> 00:59:09,527
quick

3937
00:59:09,527 --> 00:59:10,294
, especially because our

3938
00:59:10,294 --> 00:59:11,563
city attorney and city manager

3939
00:59:11,563 --> 00:59:12,230
are gonna have to get

3940
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:13,464
comfortable with a whole

3941
00:59:13,464 --> 00:59:14,165
new

3942
00:59:14,165 --> 00:59:14,799
version again real quick, which

3943
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:16,668
is going to take time

3944
00:59:16,668 --> 00:59:18,169
. For them

3945
00:59:18,169 --> 00:59:18,436
beyond just

3946
00:59:18,436 --> 00:59:18,736
our

3947
00:59:18,736 --> 00:59:19,370
counsel's input

3948
00:59:19,370 --> 00:59:20,805
So I

3949
00:59:20,805 --> 00:59:21,105
want to be mindful of that

3950
00:59:21,105 --> 00:59:21,439
as

3951
00:59:21,439 --> 00:59:22,741
well. Um

3952
00:59:22,741 --> 00:59:23,107
, so

3953
00:59:23,107 --> 00:59:23,574
I would, I

3954
00:59:23,574 --> 00:59:25,100
wouldn't say I

3955
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:25,810
disagree with us

3956
00:59:25,810 --> 00:59:27,579
tripping over ourselves over

3957
00:59:27,579 --> 00:59:27,946
this. I do agree that we do

3958
00:59:27,946 --> 00:59:29,480
need to

3959
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,480
, uh, I, I think

3960
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,749
honestly, I think 2

3961
00:59:31,749 --> 00:59:32,383
weeks is

3962
00:59:32,383 --> 00:59:33,840
way too long. Like I said, I

3963
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:33,384
think this is something that we

3964
00:59:33,384 --> 00:59:33,751
can

3965
00:59:33,751 --> 00:59:34,519
go

3966
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:34,652
ahead and, I mean

3967
00:59:34,652 --> 00:59:35,860
, you

3968
00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:36,120
you've, you

3969
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:36,788
do this for a

3970
00:59:36,788 --> 00:59:37,388
living, we're, we should be

3971
00:59:37,388 --> 00:59:38,456
able to go ahead and

3972
00:59:38,456 --> 00:59:39,323
get this

3973
00:59:39,323 --> 00:59:40,458
done and knocked out

3974
00:59:40,458 --> 00:59:41,460
. We can't

3975
00:59:41,460 --> 00:59:43,628
get it approved until the next

3976
00:59:43,628 --> 00:59:44,362
meeting. Well, I, I want to be,

3977
00:59:44,362 --> 00:59:44,997
I wanna be clear with that

3978
00:59:44,997 --> 00:59:45,563
. We,

3979
00:59:45,563 --> 00:59:47,499
we want to get it

3980
00:59:47,499 --> 00:59:47,966
. Drafted, but

3981
00:59:47,966 --> 00:59:48,566
we need

3982
00:59:48,566 --> 00:59:49,734
the professional review

3983
00:59:49,734 --> 00:59:50,468
of

3984
00:59:50,468 --> 00:59:51,736
our attorney and our

3985
00:59:51,736 --> 00:59:52,704
city

3986
00:59:52,704 --> 00:59:54,439
manager to ensure that what any

3987
00:59:54,439 --> 00:59:54,672
changes are

3988
00:59:54,672 --> 00:59:56,207
in

3989
00:59:56,207 --> 00:59:56,941
fact

3990
00:59:56,941 --> 00:59:57,275
implementable, um. Because I

3991
00:59:57,275 --> 00:59:59,110
don't

3992
00:59:59,110 --> 00:59:59,711
want us to go say, hey,

3993
00:59:59,711 --> 01:00:00,145
these are all the things we

3994
01:00:00,145 --> 01:00:01,120
want to do

3995
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:01,614
, and then we look at

3996
01:00:01,614 --> 01:00:02,800
it and we're like, well, that

3997
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,281
doesn't make

3998
01:00:03,281 --> 01:00:03,882
any sense in our,

3999
01:00:03,882 --> 01:00:05,250
in our use case

4000
01:00:05,250 --> 01:00:05,517
, right

4001
01:00:05,517 --> 01:00:05,817
? That

4002
01:00:05,817 --> 01:00:06,418
uh

4003
01:00:06,418 --> 01:00:07,719
that's something that

4004
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:08,386
would

4005
01:00:08,386 --> 01:00:08,987
require 3 new headcounts that

4006
01:00:08,987 --> 01:00:09,821
aren't in the budget

4007
01:00:09,821 --> 01:00:10,555
, right? So

4008
01:00:10,555 --> 01:00:12,230
I want to make sure that

4009
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:12,590
. Not

4010
01:00:12,590 --> 01:00:12,891
only are we getting

4011
01:00:12,891 --> 01:00:14,159
if we

4012
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:14,592
, if

4013
01:00:14,592 --> 01:00:15,594
we are getting

4014
01:00:15,594 --> 01:00:16,795
it updated, that

4015
01:00:16,795 --> 01:00:16,995
we're getting

4016
01:00:16,995 --> 01:00:17,462
a

4017
01:00:17,462 --> 01:00:17,796
reviewed and

4018
01:00:17,796 --> 01:00:18,997
solid

4019
01:00:18,997 --> 01:00:19,364
and that I

4020
01:00:19,364 --> 01:00:19,524
. That

4021
01:00:19,524 --> 01:00:19,898
feels

4022
01:00:19,898 --> 01:00:21,166
like it's

4023
01:00:21,166 --> 01:00:22,000
gonna take more than

4024
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,200
2 weeks to me. So if we do it

4025
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:24,903
this weekend, Mike, how long

4026
01:00:24,903 --> 01:00:26,371
would it take for us to be able

4027
01:00:26,371 --> 01:00:28,807
to go ahead and send it to you

4028
01:00:28,807 --> 01:00:31,143
on Monday. Can I, can I jump in

4029
01:00:31,143 --> 01:00:31,410
? How much free time do you

4030
01:00:31,410 --> 01:00:32,577
have

4031
01:00:32,577 --> 01:00:33,378
in

4032
01:00:33,378 --> 01:00:35,147
your schedule to review

4033
01:00:35,147 --> 01:00:35,447
another version

4034
01:00:35,447 --> 01:00:36,982
? Sorry

4035
01:00:36,982 --> 01:00:37,482
, that's

4036
01:00:37,482 --> 01:00:37,850
uh let let's

4037
01:00:37,850 --> 01:00:38,150
James uh jump in

4038
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:39,418
real

4039
01:00:39,418 --> 01:00:40,180
quick. So this is

4040
01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:40,318
I've

4041
01:00:40,318 --> 01:00:41,720
spent

4042
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:42,287
so much time on this

4043
01:00:42,287 --> 01:00:43,855
document, like over

4044
01:00:43,855 --> 01:00:44,556
the last 6

4045
01:00:44,556 --> 01:00:45,790
weeks, there's been

4046
01:00:45,790 --> 01:00:46,458
, I don't

4047
01:00:46,458 --> 01:00:46,892
know how many emails we've gone

4048
01:00:46,892 --> 01:00:48,226
back and

4049
01:00:48,226 --> 01:00:48,694
forth

4050
01:00:48,694 --> 01:00:48,927
, um i

4051
01:00:48,927 --> 01:00:49,261
feel like

4052
01:00:49,261 --> 01:00:51,960
we've

4053
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:51,764
gotten it to a place

4054
01:00:51,764 --> 01:00:52,970
where I know that I can deliver

4055
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:53,231
on it

4056
01:00:53,231 --> 01:00:53,632
. And

4057
01:00:53,632 --> 01:00:54,966
that took a

4058
01:00:54,966 --> 01:00:55,800
lot

4059
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,100
of

4060
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:57,503
time, a lot of time. I think

4061
01:00:57,503 --> 01:00:58,136
it's good. I think

4062
01:00:58,136 --> 01:00:59,905
. I think

4063
01:00:59,905 --> 01:01:00,439
it'd be easy

4064
01:01:00,439 --> 01:01:01,506
to adopt this

4065
01:01:01,506 --> 01:01:02,107
and

4066
01:01:02,107 --> 01:01:02,541
then also provide direction

4067
01:01:02,541 --> 01:01:04,342
that I add a

4068
01:01:04,342 --> 01:01:05,100
provision about an

4069
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:06,378
audit section. I can

4070
01:01:06,378 --> 01:01:06,745
continue

4071
01:01:06,745 --> 01:01:07,345
to work

4072
01:01:07,345 --> 01:01:08,880
with whomever to add

4073
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:09,314
that in there, but I know I can

4074
01:01:09,314 --> 01:01:10,750
deliver on

4075
01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:11,483
the policy as the

4076
01:01:11,483 --> 01:01:12,184
way that it stands, and it took

4077
01:01:12,184 --> 01:01:14,853
a lot of time to get there

4078
01:01:14,853 --> 01:01:15,320
.

4079
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:15,821
What all that

4080
01:01:15,821 --> 01:01:16,188
. Well

4081
01:01:16,188 --> 01:01:18,188
, I do want

4082
01:01:18,457 --> 01:01:20,559
to a provision and I would like

4083
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:22,600
Time to, I

4084
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:22,361
, I don't know if

4085
01:01:22,361 --> 01:01:22,694
this

4086
01:01:22,694 --> 01:01:22,928
was

4087
01:01:22,928 --> 01:01:23,462
delivered

4088
01:01:23,462 --> 01:01:24,196
electronically and

4089
01:01:24,196 --> 01:01:24,530
I missed

4090
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:25,230
it

4091
01:01:25,230 --> 01:01:26,331
or the first time, this

4092
01:01:26,331 --> 01:01:26,832
, yeah,

4093
01:01:26,832 --> 01:01:27,990
this is the first

4094
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:27,400
, this was

4095
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,134
sent

4096
01:01:29,134 --> 01:01:29,768
to them. I always get, you

4097
01:01:29,768 --> 01:01:30,736
know, I don't want to

4098
01:01:30,736 --> 01:01:31,370
send

4099
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:31,670
anything to y'all in

4100
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:33,138
general

4101
01:01:33,138 --> 01:01:33,572
,

4102
01:01:33,572 --> 01:01:33,939
ok, I mean

4103
01:01:33,939 --> 01:01:34,240
, I

4104
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,440
, I

4105
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,141
, um, some of

4106
01:01:36,141 --> 01:01:37,710
the things you pointed out

4107
01:01:37,710 --> 01:01:38,444
, I

4108
01:01:38,444 --> 01:01:39,878
think are important, I

4109
01:01:39,878 --> 01:01:40,100
guess

4110
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:40,279
,

4111
01:01:40,279 --> 01:01:40,846
if they

4112
01:01:40,846 --> 01:01:42,248
were in a

4113
01:01:42,248 --> 01:01:42,881
draft before

4114
01:01:42,881 --> 01:01:43,315
and taken out, then that's one

4115
01:01:43,315 --> 01:01:44,516
thing that

4116
01:01:44,516 --> 01:01:45,451
they were never in

4117
01:01:45,451 --> 01:01:46,785
the draft originally, you know

4118
01:01:46,785 --> 01:01:47,353
,

4119
01:01:47,353 --> 01:01:47,686
like, uh, you know, like I

4120
01:01:47,686 --> 01:01:49,686
think

4121
01:01:49,889 --> 01:01:50,156
. Someone who wants to

4122
01:01:50,156 --> 01:01:51,230
look

4123
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:51,223
at

4124
01:01:51,223 --> 01:01:51,490
it

4125
01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:51,957
and

4126
01:01:51,957 --> 01:01:53,292
have input or

4127
01:01:53,292 --> 01:01:53,960
or

4128
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:54,426
whatever, um, you know, can

4129
01:01:54,426 --> 01:01:55,928
have time to

4130
01:01:55,928 --> 01:01:56,262
do

4131
01:01:56,262 --> 01:01:56,795
so. I mean,

4132
01:01:56,795 --> 01:01:58,970
we'll have to use

4133
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:58,530
some ai to

4134
01:01:58,530 --> 01:02:00,265
look at the

4135
01:02:00,265 --> 01:02:00,833
different versions.

4136
01:02:00,833 --> 01:02:02,368
He says he's got a

4137
01:02:02,368 --> 01:02:02,868
red light

4138
01:02:02,868 --> 01:02:05,700
you got a red

4139
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:05,805
line already, it

4140
01:02:05,805 --> 01:02:06,873
already did that. So I

4141
01:02:06,873 --> 01:02:07,540
, I mean,

4142
01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:07,907
I don't know, but I mean like

4143
01:02:07,907 --> 01:02:09,508
some of

4144
01:02:09,508 --> 01:02:10,176
the things I, I think

4145
01:02:10,176 --> 01:02:11,677
are critical, you know

4146
01:02:11,677 --> 01:02:12,111
, and if

4147
01:02:12,111 --> 01:02:12,411
James thinks

4148
01:02:12,411 --> 01:02:12,812
. I

4149
01:02:12,812 --> 01:02:13,680
just don't

4150
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:14,314
know

4151
01:02:14,314 --> 01:02:14,513
what else besides

4152
01:02:14,513 --> 01:02:15,748
the

4153
01:02:15,748 --> 01:02:16,549
audit,

4154
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:16,697
you know, that, I mean

4155
01:02:16,697 --> 01:02:17,150
,

4156
01:02:17,150 --> 01:02:18,250
obviously Rudy

4157
01:02:18,250 --> 01:02:18,918
, you felt like a

4158
01:02:18,918 --> 01:02:19,251
number of these things were

4159
01:02:19,251 --> 01:02:20,520
critical

4160
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:20,953
to go

4161
01:02:20,953 --> 01:02:21,354
ahead and data,

4162
01:02:21,354 --> 01:02:22,722
data privacy

4163
01:02:22,722 --> 01:02:23,122
and governance. I

4164
01:02:23,122 --> 01:02:23,590
mean, for

4165
01:02:23,590 --> 01:02:25,691
example, I think I

4166
01:02:25,691 --> 01:02:26,459
think that's addressed in here.

4167
01:02:26,459 --> 01:02:27,426
So part of this, one of the

4168
01:02:27,426 --> 01:02:27,827
deliverables

4169
01:02:27,827 --> 01:02:28,227
is that I'll work

4170
01:02:28,227 --> 01:02:29,529
with Mike

4171
01:02:29,529 --> 01:02:30,196
and we'll put

4172
01:02:30,196 --> 01:02:31,597
together some sort of a

4173
01:02:31,597 --> 01:02:32,365
a rider

4174
01:02:32,365 --> 01:02:33,650
that goes on top of. So when

4175
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:34,660
these contracts come up

4176
01:02:34,660 --> 01:02:34,867
for

4177
01:02:34,867 --> 01:02:35,868
renewal, whether they're low

4178
01:02:35,868 --> 01:02:36,535
,

4179
01:02:36,535 --> 01:02:36,736
moderate, or high risk

4180
01:02:36,736 --> 01:02:37,700
, we

4181
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:38,871
will

4182
01:02:38,871 --> 01:02:39,272
apply that to that

4183
01:02:39,272 --> 01:02:39,572
. And if it's

4184
01:02:39,572 --> 01:02:41,274
I

4185
01:02:41,274 --> 01:02:41,674
think it's if

4186
01:02:41,674 --> 01:02:42,108
it's moderate

4187
01:02:42,108 --> 01:02:42,909
or high risk

4188
01:02:42,909 --> 01:02:43,142
. And

4189
01:02:43,142 --> 01:02:43,877
they don't

4190
01:02:43,877 --> 01:02:45,711
accept it, then I would bring

4191
01:02:45,711 --> 01:02:46,112
it for discussion at high risk,

4192
01:02:46,112 --> 01:02:47,513
high risk

4193
01:02:47,513 --> 01:02:48,114
for sure only comes

4194
01:02:48,114 --> 01:02:48,481
to counsel moderate, though,

4195
01:02:48,481 --> 01:02:49,649
what we

4196
01:02:49,649 --> 01:02:50,830
, what

4197
01:02:50,830 --> 01:02:50,227
we decided on

4198
01:02:50,227 --> 01:02:50,750
was

4199
01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:52,485
basically at the

4200
01:02:52,485 --> 01:02:52,919
city

4201
01:02:52,919 --> 01:02:53,353
attorney's

4202
01:02:53,353 --> 01:02:54,253
discretion

4203
01:02:54,253 --> 01:02:54,754
that what

4204
01:02:54,754 --> 01:02:55,870
the vendor has

4205
01:02:55,870 --> 01:02:56,155
proposed

4206
01:02:56,155 --> 01:02:56,556
is

4207
01:02:56,556 --> 01:02:57,323
materially

4208
01:02:57,323 --> 01:02:58,491
. That's the same

4209
01:02:58,491 --> 01:02:58,891
or

4210
01:02:58,891 --> 01:02:59,425
covers the

4211
01:02:59,425 --> 01:02:59,960
same risks. I think,

4212
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:01,294
I think the other

4213
01:03:01,294 --> 01:03:01,961
thing too is

4214
01:03:01,961 --> 01:03:03,960
like we could go back

4215
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:03,830
and add

4216
01:03:03,830 --> 01:03:04,263
an audit thing. Personally, I

4217
01:03:04,263 --> 01:03:05,732
don't need

4218
01:03:05,732 --> 01:03:06,165
a

4219
01:03:06,165 --> 01:03:06,499
policy to

4220
01:03:06,499 --> 01:03:07,330
have

4221
01:03:07,330 --> 01:03:07,934
direction to do

4222
01:03:07,934 --> 01:03:08,401
an audit, right

4223
01:03:08,401 --> 01:03:09,802
? If I, if I'm

4224
01:03:09,802 --> 01:03:10,436
I'm looking

4225
01:03:10,436 --> 01:03:11,104
around and if I see 4 that say

4226
01:03:11,104 --> 01:03:12,500
I want to do, honestly

4227
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:12,438
, I'm

4228
01:03:12,438 --> 01:03:12,905
gonna do it

4229
01:03:12,905 --> 01:03:13,240
anyways after

4230
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,507
recent

4231
01:03:14,507 --> 01:03:15,410
events

4232
01:03:15,410 --> 01:03:15,642
, um, particularly

4233
01:03:15,642 --> 01:03:16,442
with our high use one

4234
01:03:16,442 --> 01:03:17,143
. I'm

4235
01:03:17,143 --> 01:03:17,844
gonna do that anyway, so you'll

4236
01:03:17,844 --> 01:03:18,344
need to direct me to do that.

4237
01:03:18,344 --> 01:03:19,179
I'm just gonna

4238
01:03:19,179 --> 01:03:19,413
do

4239
01:03:19,413 --> 01:03:19,645
it

4240
01:03:19,645 --> 01:03:19,880
. Um

4241
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:20,346
, so I

4242
01:03:20,346 --> 01:03:21,714
think I'm

4243
01:03:21,714 --> 01:03:22,282
very comfortable with

4244
01:03:22,282 --> 01:03:23,583
the way the policy

4245
01:03:23,583 --> 01:03:24,350
reads right

4246
01:03:24,350 --> 01:03:24,784
now. I know I can deliver on it

4247
01:03:24,784 --> 01:03:26,420
and I will

4248
01:03:26,420 --> 01:03:26,986
most certainly make

4249
01:03:26,986 --> 01:03:28,154
sure to do audits

4250
01:03:28,154 --> 01:03:28,888
. On our high

4251
01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:29,289
risk stuff. I think it does

4252
01:03:29,289 --> 01:03:30,957
make sense

4253
01:03:30,957 --> 01:03:31,524
to memorialize some

4254
01:03:31,524 --> 01:03:32,492
of those things. I

4255
01:03:32,492 --> 01:03:33,193
do have one

4256
01:03:33,193 --> 01:03:33,626
question. I'm not sure if

4257
01:03:33,626 --> 01:03:34,995
this

4258
01:03:34,995 --> 01:03:35,362
is attorneys

4259
01:03:35,362 --> 01:03:35,729
being

4260
01:03:35,729 --> 01:03:36,696
attorneys

4261
01:03:36,696 --> 01:03:37,430
,

4262
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:37,865
but, uh, top of page

4263
01:03:37,865 --> 01:03:39,800
5 on, on

4264
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:40,133
,

4265
01:03:40,133 --> 01:03:41,601
uh, the

4266
01:03:41,601 --> 01:03:42,135
, the

4267
01:03:42,135 --> 01:03:44,400
draft watermarked

4268
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:44,504
version, existing contracts

4269
01:03:44,504 --> 01:03:44,971
shall be brought into

4270
01:03:44,971 --> 01:03:46,272
conformity at

4271
01:03:46,272 --> 01:03:46,773
renewal extension

4272
01:03:46,773 --> 01:03:46,973
material change

4273
01:03:46,973 --> 01:03:48,308
, or

4274
01:03:48,308 --> 01:03:48,708
the

4275
01:03:48,708 --> 01:03:49,309
earliest

4276
01:03:49,309 --> 01:03:50,277
lawful opportunity

4277
01:03:50,277 --> 01:03:50,777
. I

4278
01:03:50,777 --> 01:03:51,211
don't know if

4279
01:03:51,211 --> 01:03:51,678
earliest lawful

4280
01:03:51,678 --> 01:03:52,946
opportunity

4281
01:03:52,946 --> 01:03:53,546
is

4282
01:03:53,546 --> 01:03:54,148
there intended

4283
01:03:54,148 --> 01:03:55,448
to mean

4284
01:03:55,448 --> 01:03:56,216
before those things or

4285
01:03:56,216 --> 01:03:57,617
after those things because it's

4286
01:03:57,617 --> 01:03:57,917
Seems like

4287
01:03:57,917 --> 01:03:58,218
those

4288
01:03:58,218 --> 01:03:59,452
things

4289
01:03:59,452 --> 01:04:00,320
renewal

4290
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:01,755
extension, material change

4291
01:04:01,755 --> 01:04:02,189
should

4292
01:04:02,189 --> 01:04:02,422
all

4293
01:04:02,422 --> 01:04:02,890
be

4294
01:04:02,890 --> 01:04:04,424
appropriate times

4295
01:04:04,424 --> 01:04:04,624
to make changes. I, I

4296
01:04:04,624 --> 01:04:05,158
can't

4297
01:04:05,158 --> 01:04:07,158
imagine any other

4298
01:04:07,294 --> 01:04:07,594
. Scenario, so

4299
01:04:07,594 --> 01:04:08,729
I'm

4300
01:04:08,729 --> 01:04:09,396
trying to understand if

4301
01:04:09,396 --> 01:04:10,964
that's an earlier or

4302
01:04:10,964 --> 01:04:11,631
a later,

4303
01:04:11,631 --> 01:04:12,165
you know, because I don't wanna

4304
01:04:12,165 --> 01:04:13,000
I don't wanna say

4305
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:13,700
, oh well, the

4306
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:15,502
renewal is not for 5 years

4307
01:04:15,502 --> 01:04:15,902
, but

4308
01:04:15,902 --> 01:04:16,170
there's

4309
01:04:16,170 --> 01:04:17,637
a

4310
01:04:17,637 --> 01:04:18,380
lawful

4311
01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:18,672
opportunity

4312
01:04:18,672 --> 01:04:19,640
tomorrow so let's do it

4313
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:20,707
right

4314
01:04:20,707 --> 01:04:22,376
after it then, and then what's

4315
01:04:22,376 --> 01:04:22,943
a lawful attorney and I mean

4316
01:04:22,943 --> 01:04:23,243
there's a couple of those

4317
01:04:23,243 --> 01:04:24,311
things

4318
01:04:24,311 --> 01:04:24,645
that's

4319
01:04:24,645 --> 01:04:25,245
what that's the

4320
01:04:25,245 --> 01:04:26,280
only one that really

4321
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:26,914
struck

4322
01:04:26,914 --> 01:04:27,280
stuck out to me, and I don't

4323
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,149
know if

4324
01:04:29,149 --> 01:04:29,483
. Yeah, I thought that

4325
01:04:29,483 --> 01:04:29,983
too. I

4326
01:04:29,983 --> 01:04:31,152
was like ok

4327
01:04:31,152 --> 01:04:31,418
, but

4328
01:04:31,418 --> 01:04:31,556
, but I

4329
01:04:31,556 --> 01:04:32,520
,

4330
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:33,587
I do wanna are

4331
01:04:33,587 --> 01:04:33,720
we waiting

4332
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:34,154
5

4333
01:04:34,154 --> 01:04:35,555
years? Yeah

4334
01:04:35,555 --> 01:04:36,900
. I mean

4335
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:36,723
, and and

4336
01:04:36,723 --> 01:04:37,991
what lawful, you know

4337
01:04:37,991 --> 01:04:38,258
, it's

4338
01:04:38,258 --> 01:04:38,559
.

4339
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,461
It's

4340
01:04:40,461 --> 01:04:42,129
Those are the

4341
01:04:42,129 --> 01:04:42,763
things that

4342
01:04:42,763 --> 01:04:43,330
they have the little things I

4343
01:04:43,330 --> 01:04:44,431
didn't mention there's

4344
01:04:44,431 --> 01:04:45,980
things

4345
01:04:45,980 --> 01:04:46,834
that can be cleaned up

4346
01:04:46,834 --> 01:04:47,101
, but

4347
01:04:47,101 --> 01:04:47,901
, um

4348
01:04:47,901 --> 01:04:48,902
I'm really concerned about some

4349
01:04:48,902 --> 01:04:49,369
of

4350
01:04:49,369 --> 01:04:49,837
the

4351
01:04:49,837 --> 01:04:51,238
privacy and some

4352
01:04:51,238 --> 01:04:51,472
of

4353
01:04:51,472 --> 01:04:52,339
the

4354
01:04:52,339 --> 01:04:53,707
um vendor use and not

4355
01:04:53,707 --> 01:04:54,474
being

4356
01:04:54,474 --> 01:04:56,430
prescriptive with that because

4357
01:04:56,430 --> 01:04:56,543
of what I've seen in

4358
01:04:56,543 --> 01:04:57,780
my own

4359
01:04:57,780 --> 01:04:58,679
client's lawsuits

4360
01:04:58,679 --> 01:04:58,846
. Like

4361
01:04:58,846 --> 01:04:59,180
it's

4362
01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:00,814
the

4363
01:05:00,814 --> 01:05:01,448
uh like there's nothing in

4364
01:05:01,448 --> 01:05:01,849
here. Let's put it this way.

4365
01:05:01,849 --> 01:05:02,517
Like I said

4366
01:05:02,517 --> 01:05:02,783
, I've

4367
01:05:02,783 --> 01:05:02,983
had 3.5

4368
01:05:02,983 --> 01:05:03,350
years

4369
01:05:03,350 --> 01:05:05,285
to develop

4370
01:05:05,285 --> 01:05:05,820
this. Nothing is in

4371
01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:07,354
here that I haven't

4372
01:05:07,354 --> 01:05:07,988
had

4373
01:05:07,988 --> 01:05:08,255
experience somewhere down the

4374
01:05:08,255 --> 01:05:09,556
line

4375
01:05:09,556 --> 01:05:10,157
, sure. So you think you

4376
01:05:10,157 --> 01:05:11,659
can do it in 2 weeks

4377
01:05:11,659 --> 01:05:12,260
? Bring it

4378
01:05:12,260 --> 01:05:12,726
back in 2 weeks I think I can

4379
01:05:12,726 --> 01:05:15,126
do it, so I'm

4380
01:05:16,530 --> 01:05:17,310
. Oh, I'm, I'm

4381
01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:18,232
gonna, I'm

4382
01:05:18,232 --> 01:05:18,899
gonna ask, well,

4383
01:05:18,899 --> 01:05:19,366
first of all, Jonathan, I know

4384
01:05:19,366 --> 01:05:21,350
you put a lot

4385
01:05:21,350 --> 01:05:21,402
of time and

4386
01:05:21,402 --> 01:05:22,803
effort

4387
01:05:22,803 --> 01:05:23,700
in

4388
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:23,537
with

4389
01:05:23,537 --> 01:05:23,837
city

4390
01:05:23,837 --> 01:05:24,805
staff

4391
01:05:24,805 --> 01:05:25,573
. I

4392
01:05:25,573 --> 01:05:27,474
would ask that we expend no

4393
01:05:27,474 --> 01:05:27,641
more than

4394
01:05:27,641 --> 01:05:28,275
4

4395
01:05:28,275 --> 01:05:29,743
additional staff

4396
01:05:29,743 --> 01:05:30,440
hours on

4397
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:30,344
it

4398
01:05:30,344 --> 01:05:31,745
, so if

4399
01:05:31,745 --> 01:05:32,380
we can

4400
01:05:32,380 --> 01:05:32,780
get a

4401
01:05:32,780 --> 01:05:34,248
i think

4402
01:05:34,248 --> 01:05:34,749
, I

4403
01:05:34,749 --> 01:05:35,183
think that that'd be

4404
01:05:35,183 --> 01:05:36,417
that'd be my

4405
01:05:36,417 --> 01:05:37,184
limiting factor

4406
01:05:37,184 --> 01:05:38,920
for y'all coming together and

4407
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:39,553
meeting and knocking it out and

4408
01:05:39,553 --> 01:05:40,788
whatever you got at the

4409
01:05:40,788 --> 01:05:41,422
end is

4410
01:05:41,422 --> 01:05:41,822
done because you know, I'm a

4411
01:05:41,822 --> 01:05:43,624
big fan of

4412
01:05:43,624 --> 01:05:44,191
at

4413
01:05:44,191 --> 01:05:44,458
95% solution that

4414
01:05:44,458 --> 01:05:45,760
we

4415
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:46,527
. Can

4416
01:05:46,527 --> 01:05:47,462
actually implement

4417
01:05:47,462 --> 01:05:48,396
and

4418
01:05:48,396 --> 01:05:50,297
has buy-in is a whole lot

4419
01:05:50,297 --> 01:05:50,731
better than 100% solution that

4420
01:05:50,731 --> 01:05:52,466
no one wants

4421
01:05:52,466 --> 01:05:52,900
to do, I think I

4422
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:53,267
can, I

4423
01:05:53,267 --> 01:05:54,835
think that

4424
01:05:54,835 --> 01:05:55,169
. I could

4425
01:05:55,169 --> 01:05:56,904
mitigate

4426
01:05:56,904 --> 01:05:57,538
. Pretty substantial

4427
01:05:57,538 --> 01:05:57,939
amount of time because I know

4428
01:05:57,939 --> 01:05:59,273
how these

4429
01:05:59,273 --> 01:06:00,700
guys are thinking

4430
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:01,142
about it, but that's not

4431
01:06:01,142 --> 01:06:01,408
going

4432
01:06:01,408 --> 01:06:01,842
to

4433
01:06:01,842 --> 01:06:03,210
reduce their

4434
01:06:03,210 --> 01:06:03,744
time

4435
01:06:03,744 --> 01:06:04,645
to it's

4436
01:06:04,645 --> 01:06:05,479
it's aggressive for them

4437
01:06:05,479 --> 01:06:06,547
to

4438
01:06:06,547 --> 01:06:08,816
like really dig into it and

4439
01:06:08,816 --> 01:06:09,317
understand it

4440
01:06:09,317 --> 01:06:09,684
. It's I don't

4441
01:06:09,684 --> 01:06:10,618
know what

4442
01:06:10,618 --> 01:06:10,885
a reasonable amount

4443
01:06:10,885 --> 01:06:11,850
of

4444
01:06:11,850 --> 01:06:12,420
in

4445
01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:12,753
their opinion

4446
01:06:12,753 --> 01:06:12,887
, but

4447
01:06:12,887 --> 01:06:13,354
I do

4448
01:06:13,354 --> 01:06:14,622
think some of

4449
01:06:14,622 --> 01:06:14,989
it

4450
01:06:14,989 --> 01:06:15,590
is you had to

4451
01:06:15,590 --> 01:06:16,524
estimate how many hours

4452
01:06:16,524 --> 01:06:17,158
you

4453
01:06:17,158 --> 01:06:19,558
spent on this already

4454
01:06:19,660 --> 01:06:21,429
? What

4455
01:06:21,429 --> 01:06:21,863
.

4456
01:06:21,863 --> 01:06:22,130
Sorry, I'm

4457
01:06:22,130 --> 01:06:23,898
, I'm

4458
01:06:23,898 --> 01:06:24,499
60. I've been

4459
01:06:24,499 --> 01:06:26,567
in consulting, so I

4460
01:06:26,567 --> 01:06:26,834
, I mean

4461
01:06:26,834 --> 01:06:28,202
that

4462
01:06:28,202 --> 01:06:28,836
it's probably been, I've

4463
01:06:28,836 --> 01:06:29,103
probably sat down, you know,

4464
01:06:29,103 --> 01:06:30,538
less

4465
01:06:30,538 --> 01:06:31,239
than 10 times and spent a

4466
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:32,907
couple of hours on it. Ok

4467
01:06:32,907 --> 01:06:33,307
. Oh

4468
01:06:33,307 --> 01:06:33,741
.

4469
01:06:33,741 --> 01:06:35,741
Yeah, we're

4470
01:06:37,779 --> 01:06:39,714
We're, we're at a

4471
01:06:39,714 --> 01:06:40,114
substantial amount

4472
01:06:40,114 --> 01:06:40,248
of

4473
01:06:40,248 --> 01:06:40,782
staff

4474
01:06:40,782 --> 01:06:41,582
investment already

4475
01:06:41,582 --> 01:06:42,250
. Mike, I

4476
01:06:42,250 --> 01:06:42,750
assume you're probably in that

4477
01:06:42,750 --> 01:06:43,918
range as well

4478
01:06:43,918 --> 01:06:45,918
. I

4479
01:06:46,221 --> 01:06:46,821
So I, that was

4480
01:06:46,821 --> 01:06:47,880
a, that was a yes

4481
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:48,190
. Yes

4482
01:06:48,190 --> 01:06:48,789
. I'm

4483
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:50,659
sorry. Yes, sir. Yeah

4484
01:06:50,659 --> 01:06:50,925
. Just,

4485
01:06:50,925 --> 01:06:51,660
just

4486
01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:53,660
. For

4487
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:54,463
the city for the

4488
01:06:54,463 --> 01:06:55,463
court for the

4489
01:06:55,463 --> 01:06:57,463
court reporter

4490
01:06:57,832 --> 01:06:58,466
.

4491
01:06:58,466 --> 01:06:59,634
So I really don't want

4492
01:06:59,634 --> 01:07:00,340
us to,

4493
01:07:00,340 --> 01:07:00,468
to take a

4494
01:07:00,468 --> 01:07:01,870
huge step back

4495
01:07:01,870 --> 01:07:02,137
and

4496
01:07:02,137 --> 01:07:03,710
then

4497
01:07:03,710 --> 01:07:03,838
uh our staff has a

4498
01:07:03,838 --> 01:07:04,740
lot of

4499
01:07:04,740 --> 01:07:05,106
work to get done. We've got a

4500
01:07:05,106 --> 01:07:06,674
lot of

4501
01:07:06,674 --> 01:07:07,800
demands on, on their

4502
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:07,542
time. I

4503
01:07:07,542 --> 01:07:08,877
don't think anything

4504
01:07:08,877 --> 01:07:09,644
in

4505
01:07:09,644 --> 01:07:10,578
here undercuts what it is

4506
01:07:10,578 --> 01:07:11,413
. I

4507
01:07:11,413 --> 01:07:11,746
think what it is is buttresses

4508
01:07:11,746 --> 01:07:13,314
or

4509
01:07:13,314 --> 01:07:13,948
ads weren't concrete

4510
01:07:13,948 --> 01:07:14,482
enforcement on some of these

4511
01:07:14,482 --> 01:07:15,583
things, but, and I

4512
01:07:15,583 --> 01:07:16,417
think that's

4513
01:07:16,417 --> 01:07:17,920
the key is that, and then like

4514
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:18,186
some parts that, like I said

4515
01:07:18,186 --> 01:07:20,121
that

4516
01:07:20,121 --> 01:07:20,789
. I

4517
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:22,570
, I'm telling

4518
01:07:22,570 --> 01:07:22,223
y'all

4519
01:07:22,223 --> 01:07:22,524
this

4520
01:07:22,524 --> 01:07:24,192
like I

4521
01:07:24,192 --> 01:07:24,659
. Causes

4522
01:07:24,659 --> 01:07:25,193
me heartache

4523
01:07:25,193 --> 01:07:26,528
like the suspension

4524
01:07:26,528 --> 01:07:27,229
and

4525
01:07:27,229 --> 01:07:27,696
termination clause in there. I

4526
01:07:27,696 --> 01:07:29,130
mean, these are

4527
01:07:29,130 --> 01:07:30,310
things where

4528
01:07:30,310 --> 01:07:31,233
Mhm

4529
01:07:31,233 --> 01:07:33,233
. I've seen

4530
01:07:33,536 --> 01:07:34,360
bad stuff we

4531
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,360
also have our

4532
01:07:36,137 --> 01:07:36,671
contract isn't

4533
01:07:36,671 --> 01:07:37,907
written well

4534
01:07:37,907 --> 01:07:38,406
to

4535
01:07:38,406 --> 01:07:39,107
cover you, then

4536
01:07:39,107 --> 01:07:40,108
well, yeah, and I mean

4537
01:07:40,108 --> 01:07:41,143
, but it

4538
01:07:41,143 --> 01:07:42,344
goes well, but is this

4539
01:07:42,344 --> 01:07:42,510
, is

4540
01:07:42,510 --> 01:07:43,770
this

4541
01:07:43,770 --> 01:07:44,446
a discussion, Rudy

4542
01:07:44,446 --> 01:07:44,713
, on, on

4543
01:07:44,713 --> 01:07:45,460
our

4544
01:07:45,460 --> 01:07:45,580
,

4545
01:07:45,580 --> 01:07:45,947
uh, standard template for

4546
01:07:45,947 --> 01:07:47,416
contracts

4547
01:07:47,416 --> 01:07:49,284
. Boy

4548
01:07:49,284 --> 01:07:49,818
, that because I

4549
01:07:49,818 --> 01:07:50,419
know we've got a standard

4550
01:07:50,419 --> 01:07:51,286
template for PSAs and

4551
01:07:51,286 --> 01:07:51,787
a

4552
01:07:51,787 --> 01:07:52,387
standard template for

4553
01:07:52,387 --> 01:07:52,754
construction, right? I don't

4554
01:07:52,754 --> 01:07:53,955
know, Mike

4555
01:07:53,955 --> 01:07:54,356
, whatever, what,

4556
01:07:54,356 --> 01:07:55,991
what other

4557
01:07:55,991 --> 01:07:56,191
templates we have

4558
01:07:56,191 --> 01:07:56,758
,

4559
01:07:56,758 --> 01:07:58,126
but uh it sounds

4560
01:07:58,126 --> 01:07:58,827
like, you know

4561
01:07:58,827 --> 01:07:59,610
a lot of what I see in there is

4562
01:07:59,610 --> 01:08:00,696
is

4563
01:08:00,696 --> 01:08:01,263
something that we MAY just

4564
01:08:01,263 --> 01:08:02,597
need to adopt as

4565
01:08:02,597 --> 01:08:04,597
a standard

4566
01:08:04,633 --> 01:08:05,000
I

4567
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:05,567
mean, I

4568
01:08:05,567 --> 01:08:05,868
would hope some of it's

4569
01:08:05,868 --> 01:08:07,336
just

4570
01:08:07,336 --> 01:08:07,736
easy

4571
01:08:07,736 --> 01:08:09,471
to up and

4572
01:08:09,471 --> 01:08:10,539
lift

4573
01:08:10,539 --> 01:08:12,740
because um you know, just like

4574
01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:14,210
when we did, um

4575
01:08:14,210 --> 01:08:14,476
. We

4576
01:08:14,476 --> 01:08:14,744
changed

4577
01:08:14,744 --> 01:08:16,744
the

4578
01:08:17,112 --> 01:08:18,280
definition regarding act of

4579
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:18,680
GOD

4580
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:19,810
after the

4581
01:08:19,810 --> 01:08:19,514
pandemic, and that

4582
01:08:19,514 --> 01:08:21,116
was a huge

4583
01:08:21,116 --> 01:08:21,984
deal because we just

4584
01:08:21,984 --> 01:08:22,985
we need no one had defined

4585
01:08:22,985 --> 01:08:23,619
it

4586
01:08:23,619 --> 01:08:24,520
the way it should, and after

4587
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:25,587
that we had

4588
01:08:25,587 --> 01:08:26,755
to

4589
01:08:26,755 --> 01:08:27,490
Following up

4590
01:08:27,490 --> 01:08:28,123
on

4591
01:08:28,123 --> 01:08:30,920
that same thread

4592
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:30,225
. Is

4593
01:08:30,225 --> 01:08:30,760
there

4594
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,127
anything that you

4595
01:08:32,127 --> 01:08:34,127
would say is

4596
01:08:34,797 --> 01:08:35,640
Like material to the policy

4597
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:36,398
that

4598
01:08:36,398 --> 01:08:36,999
counsel would

4599
01:08:36,999 --> 01:08:37,266
. Adopt or

4600
01:08:37,266 --> 01:08:38,667
that

4601
01:08:38,667 --> 01:08:39,134
changes the

4602
01:08:39,134 --> 01:08:39,835
direction of

4603
01:08:39,835 --> 01:08:41,436
something that is in the

4604
01:08:41,436 --> 01:08:41,903
current agreement. And I ask

4605
01:08:41,903 --> 01:08:43,439
partially to

4606
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:43,806
what the mayor was

4607
01:08:43,806 --> 01:08:45,340
saying is

4608
01:08:45,340 --> 01:08:45,574
If we're

4609
01:08:45,574 --> 01:08:45,975
, if

4610
01:08:45,975 --> 01:08:46,375
there's

4611
01:08:46,375 --> 01:08:47,810
a decent

4612
01:08:47,810 --> 01:08:48,770
number of

4613
01:08:48,770 --> 01:08:48,911
changes or

4614
01:08:48,911 --> 01:08:50,379
updates that we need to make to

4615
01:08:50,379 --> 01:08:51,880
various templates, documents

4616
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:52,448
,

4617
01:08:52,448 --> 01:08:53,115
policies. We probably could

4618
01:08:53,115 --> 01:08:54,917
come back and either do a

4619
01:08:54,917 --> 01:08:55,551
separate resolution or just a

4620
01:08:55,551 --> 01:08:57,119
council directive

4621
01:08:57,119 --> 01:08:57,254
to implement

4622
01:08:57,254 --> 01:08:57,620
.

4623
01:08:57,620 --> 01:08:59,154
X, y

4624
01:08:59,154 --> 01:08:59,488
, and z changes to

4625
01:08:59,488 --> 01:08:59,888
the

4626
01:08:59,888 --> 01:09:01,290
contracts

4627
01:09:01,290 --> 01:09:01,523
outside of

4628
01:09:01,523 --> 01:09:01,824
passing

4629
01:09:01,824 --> 01:09:03,824
the

4630
01:09:03,926 --> 01:09:05,427
governance framework

4631
01:09:05,427 --> 01:09:06,280
today

4632
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:06,662
potentially you make a great

4633
01:09:06,662 --> 01:09:07,730
point. Yeah, Rudy, are

4634
01:09:07,730 --> 01:09:08,430
your

4635
01:09:08,430 --> 01:09:09,640
changes, do you see them as

4636
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:10,320
changing the vector or

4637
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:10,566
just

4638
01:09:10,566 --> 01:09:12,566
changing the

4639
01:09:12,635 --> 01:09:13,268
uh uh the extent

4640
01:09:13,268 --> 01:09:15,371
is this, is it, is it

4641
01:09:15,371 --> 01:09:15,838
something

4642
01:09:15,838 --> 01:09:16,305
that you wanna

4643
01:09:16,305 --> 01:09:16,906
. You say, well,

4644
01:09:16,906 --> 01:09:17,573
it's not going the right

4645
01:09:17,573 --> 01:09:18,700
direction or it just needs to

4646
01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:19,675
go further

4647
01:09:19,675 --> 01:09:19,942
. I

4648
01:09:19,942 --> 01:09:20,242
think

4649
01:09:20,242 --> 01:09:21,645
there's a

4650
01:09:21,645 --> 01:09:22,445
it's both because you're

4651
01:09:22,445 --> 01:09:23,412
looking at things, for example

4652
01:09:23,412 --> 01:09:24,113
,

4653
01:09:24,113 --> 01:09:24,780
for what I said about gender of

4654
01:09:24,780 --> 01:09:26,148
ai, what that policy is

4655
01:09:26,148 --> 01:09:26,682
opposed

4656
01:09:26,682 --> 01:09:28,170
to agenic

4657
01:09:28,170 --> 01:09:28,684
ai

4658
01:09:28,684 --> 01:09:29,418
regarding specific

4659
01:09:29,418 --> 01:09:30,352
employees in the utilization

4660
01:09:30,352 --> 01:09:30,686
on

4661
01:09:30,686 --> 01:09:31,120
it

4662
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:31,454
. I think the

4663
01:09:31,454 --> 01:09:32,588
vendor

4664
01:09:32,588 --> 01:09:32,955
data use

4665
01:09:32,955 --> 01:09:33,422
Like

4666
01:09:33,422 --> 01:09:35,422
Oh

4667
01:09:37,693 --> 01:09:38,161
. Trust me, I

4668
01:09:38,161 --> 01:09:39,128
yeah

4669
01:09:39,128 --> 01:09:39,762
,

4670
01:09:39,762 --> 01:09:42,640
right there as well, um

4671
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:42,698
.

4672
01:09:42,698 --> 01:09:42,965
Required vendor congregation,

4673
01:09:42,965 --> 01:09:44,100
some

4674
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:44,700
of these things that you

4675
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:45,368
talked about, you asked about

4676
01:09:45,368 --> 01:09:46,102
whether or not some of

4677
01:09:46,102 --> 01:09:46,903
these

4678
01:09:46,903 --> 01:09:48,304
things can be up and lifted

4679
01:09:48,304 --> 01:09:48,704
,

4680
01:09:48,704 --> 01:09:49,438
but um

4681
01:09:49,438 --> 01:09:51,438
. I, I

4682
01:09:51,674 --> 01:09:53,420
Like I said

4683
01:09:53,420 --> 01:09:53,743
, I, I

4684
01:09:53,743 --> 01:09:54,377
would not be doing my job if I

4685
01:09:54,377 --> 01:09:55,812
didn't tell you like

4686
01:09:55,812 --> 01:09:56,579
. There's

4687
01:09:56,579 --> 01:09:58,915
nothing in here that I did not

4688
01:09:58,915 --> 01:09:59,782
think was important. Nothing in

4689
01:09:59,782 --> 01:10:00,250
here that

4690
01:10:00,250 --> 01:10:02,250
I thought um

4691
01:10:02,418 --> 01:10:02,919
. Wasn't

4692
01:10:02,919 --> 01:10:04,220
something from

4693
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:04,954
the onset we

4694
01:10:04,954 --> 01:10:05,288
have on to set as a standard to

4695
01:10:05,288 --> 01:10:06,522
go ahead

4696
01:10:06,522 --> 01:10:06,856
and

4697
01:10:06,856 --> 01:10:07,623
platform moving

4698
01:10:07,623 --> 01:10:09,580
forward. I truly believe like

4699
01:10:09,580 --> 01:10:09,659
.

4700
01:10:09,659 --> 01:10:11,600
Yes, I think we can

4701
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:11,795
, I think we

4702
01:10:11,795 --> 01:10:12,128
can sit down, knock this out.

4703
01:10:12,128 --> 01:10:13,562
We can

4704
01:10:13,562 --> 01:10:14,330
have something out on

4705
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:15,798
Monday. I don't, I don't think

4706
01:10:15,798 --> 01:10:17,567
it should be like how

4707
01:10:17,567 --> 01:10:18,401
. Jonathan

4708
01:10:18,401 --> 01:10:18,701
put it, um, I don't know if

4709
01:10:18,701 --> 01:10:20,102
it's

4710
01:10:20,102 --> 01:10:20,670
a

4711
01:10:20,670 --> 01:10:21,137
Vulcan Maya mole

4712
01:10:21,137 --> 01:10:22,505
, but

4713
01:10:22,505 --> 01:10:23,172
um

4714
01:10:23,172 --> 01:10:23,440
I understanding how staff and

4715
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:24,841
what

4716
01:10:24,841 --> 01:10:25,508
their thoughts are that as

4717
01:10:25,508 --> 01:10:26,977
well, but I think that we

4718
01:10:26,977 --> 01:10:27,110
can

4719
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:27,710
,

4720
01:10:27,710 --> 01:10:28,177
this is not something that's

4721
01:10:28,177 --> 01:10:29,312
going to be

4722
01:10:29,312 --> 01:10:29,980
too significant for

4723
01:10:29,980 --> 01:10:31,614
that, particularly during a

4724
01:10:31,614 --> 01:10:32,140
budget season right now, which

4725
01:10:32,140 --> 01:10:34,140
I get

4726
01:10:38,522 --> 01:10:38,788
. What

4727
01:10:38,788 --> 01:10:39,220
was

4728
01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:41,220
it

4729
01:10:41,291 --> 01:10:41,891
everyone's

4730
01:10:41,891 --> 01:10:42,459
expectations that we're going

4731
01:10:42,459 --> 01:10:42,725
to see this for the

4732
01:10:42,725 --> 01:10:42,992
first time

4733
01:10:42,992 --> 01:10:44,992
and

4734
01:10:44,995 --> 01:10:46,995
. Approve it

4735
01:10:47,263 --> 01:10:47,864
. I'm seeing it

4736
01:10:47,864 --> 01:10:48,432
for the first time, so I can

4737
01:10:48,432 --> 01:10:49,232
say I didn't have

4738
01:10:49,232 --> 01:10:49,632
that

4739
01:10:49,632 --> 01:10:50,467
expectation

4740
01:10:50,467 --> 01:10:52,168
. I mean, like this

4741
01:10:52,168 --> 01:10:53,470
draft because it wasn't

4742
01:10:53,470 --> 01:10:54,170
, it

4743
01:10:54,170 --> 01:10:54,571
wasn't yeah, because it wasn't

4744
01:10:54,571 --> 01:10:56,340
included in

4745
01:10:56,340 --> 01:10:56,940
the agenda last

4746
01:10:56,940 --> 01:10:57,810
time and then when I

4747
01:10:57,810 --> 01:10:57,440
asked

4748
01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:58,308
about it

4749
01:10:58,308 --> 01:10:58,808
, there

4750
01:10:58,808 --> 01:10:59,750
, there was the,

4751
01:10:59,750 --> 01:11:00,777
the

4752
01:11:00,777 --> 01:11:01,512
desire to, the mayor did

4753
01:11:01,512 --> 01:11:02,779
put it on the regular

4754
01:11:02,779 --> 01:11:03,460
agenda as

4755
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:05,460
well

4756
01:11:05,181 --> 01:11:05,649
, if we, and

4757
01:11:05,649 --> 01:11:06,150
this was this

4758
01:11:06,150 --> 01:11:07,350
time and

4759
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:07,751
that was in the packet

4760
01:11:07,751 --> 01:11:09,620
yeah, yeah

4761
01:11:09,620 --> 01:11:09,953
, I'm. Yeah

4762
01:11:09,953 --> 01:11:10,554
, Rudy's

4763
01:11:10,554 --> 01:11:10,887
draft is brand new, but I'm

4764
01:11:10,887 --> 01:11:12,220
just

4765
01:11:12,220 --> 01:11:12,289
saying this two

4766
01:11:12,289 --> 01:11:12,556
weeks ago

4767
01:11:12,556 --> 01:11:13,923
I

4768
01:11:13,923 --> 01:11:14,491
didn't

4769
01:11:14,491 --> 01:11:15,250
see Jonathan's draft,

4770
01:11:15,250 --> 01:11:16,493
so this is new

4771
01:11:16,493 --> 01:11:16,961
in

4772
01:11:16,961 --> 01:11:17,327
the last few

4773
01:11:17,327 --> 01:11:17,560
days

4774
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:18,829
. Yeah

4775
01:11:18,829 --> 01:11:19,463
, we're still working

4776
01:11:19,463 --> 01:11:19,763
on it two weeks ago, frankly.

4777
01:11:19,763 --> 01:11:21,650
Yeah

4778
01:11:21,650 --> 01:11:21,565
, that's, that's why that's

4779
01:11:21,565 --> 01:11:21,765
my, that's

4780
01:11:21,765 --> 01:11:23,133
but

4781
01:11:23,133 --> 01:11:23,500
it wasn't, but

4782
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:25,335
it was in

4783
01:11:25,335 --> 01:11:25,635
the packet so it was

4784
01:11:25,635 --> 01:11:26,336
in the

4785
01:11:26,336 --> 01:11:28,380
was in the it was in the

4786
01:11:28,380 --> 01:11:28,672
was in the it was in the

4787
01:11:28,672 --> 01:11:28,972
council, it is on the regular

4788
01:11:28,972 --> 01:11:29,973
agenda

4789
01:11:29,973 --> 01:11:30,207
this evening

4790
01:11:30,207 --> 01:11:30,740
, um, it

4791
01:11:30,740 --> 01:11:31,842
sounds like we'll

4792
01:11:31,842 --> 01:11:32,142
have

4793
01:11:32,142 --> 01:11:32,843
some

4794
01:11:32,843 --> 01:11:34,144
time to marinate on

4795
01:11:34,144 --> 01:11:34,745
that over

4796
01:11:34,745 --> 01:11:36,847
the next little bit

4797
01:11:36,847 --> 01:11:37,648
, uh, and

4798
01:11:37,648 --> 01:11:39,583
I'm, I'm not sure I have

4799
01:11:39,583 --> 01:11:39,983
. Clear

4800
01:11:39,983 --> 01:11:40,984
consensus

4801
01:11:40,984 --> 01:11:41,551
yet but we'll see

4802
01:11:41,551 --> 01:11:42,190
what we get in the regular

4803
01:11:42,190 --> 01:11:43,220
agenda if we're

4804
01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:43,653
passing it

4805
01:11:43,653 --> 01:11:44,154
tonight we're

4806
01:11:44,154 --> 01:11:46,230
we're postponing

4807
01:11:46,230 --> 01:11:46,423
it to uh have some more folks

4808
01:11:46,423 --> 01:11:47,758
take a pass

4809
01:11:47,758 --> 01:11:48,292
at it. What were

4810
01:11:48,292 --> 01:11:50,270
you trying to say

4811
01:11:50,270 --> 01:11:50,260
? Well, I

4812
01:11:50,260 --> 01:11:52,260
, I

4813
01:11:52,263 --> 01:11:52,830
,

4814
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:53,497
it sounds, some of the

4815
01:11:53,497 --> 01:11:54,631
discussion sounds like

4816
01:11:54,631 --> 01:11:55,465
. It was

4817
01:11:55,465 --> 01:11:56,833
an expectation that we

4818
01:11:56,833 --> 01:11:57,534
were

4819
01:11:57,534 --> 01:11:59,136
going to read

4820
01:11:59,136 --> 01:11:59,252
this for this

4821
01:11:59,252 --> 01:11:59,937
,

4822
01:11:59,937 --> 01:12:01,710
this meeting and approve

4823
01:12:01,710 --> 01:12:01,606
it

4824
01:12:01,606 --> 01:12:02,405
tonight and not have any

4825
01:12:02,405 --> 01:12:03,674
changes, and I'm just wondering

4826
01:12:03,674 --> 01:12:03,941
if that's

4827
01:12:03,941 --> 01:12:05,676
a

4828
01:12:05,676 --> 01:12:06,443
realistic

4829
01:12:06,443 --> 01:12:06,710
expectation like I, I would

4830
01:12:06,710 --> 01:12:08,312
have

4831
01:12:08,312 --> 01:12:09,180
expected that we would

4832
01:12:09,180 --> 01:12:10,480
have conversations and

4833
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:11,148
that we

4834
01:12:11,148 --> 01:12:11,382
would have something to

4835
01:12:11,382 --> 01:12:11,615
change

4836
01:12:11,615 --> 01:12:12,550
it

4837
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:13,160
and

4838
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:13,350
that it

4839
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:14,852
would

4840
01:12:14,852 --> 01:12:15,486
possibly

4841
01:12:15,486 --> 01:12:15,853
make sense to bring back in 2

4842
01:12:15,853 --> 01:12:17,154
weeks. So

4843
01:12:17,154 --> 01:12:17,922
coming back in 2

4844
01:12:17,922 --> 01:12:19,256
weeks is not outside of

4845
01:12:19,256 --> 01:12:20,570
my

4846
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:20,391
expectations of what we were

4847
01:12:20,391 --> 01:12:21,392
going

4848
01:12:21,392 --> 01:12:21,992
to

4849
01:12:21,992 --> 01:12:22,660
have and discussing a

4850
01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:23,270
policy, especially of this

4851
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:24,528
magnitude

4852
01:12:24,528 --> 01:12:25,896
. Which we

4853
01:12:25,896 --> 01:12:26,330
have

4854
01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:26,897
been

4855
01:12:26,897 --> 01:12:29,000
discussing for months, right

4856
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:29,400
?

4857
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:30,534
And so, um

4858
01:12:30,534 --> 01:12:31,235
. I

4859
01:12:31,235 --> 01:12:31,535
, I understand the

4860
01:12:31,535 --> 01:12:33,404
the

4861
01:12:33,404 --> 01:12:34,104
time that's been spent, and

4862
01:12:34,104 --> 01:12:35,380
I appreciate everyone's

4863
01:12:35,380 --> 01:12:35,673
time

4864
01:12:35,673 --> 01:12:37,141
and obviously we

4865
01:12:37,141 --> 01:12:37,775
wanna finish

4866
01:12:37,775 --> 01:12:38,142
it, put a bow on it and

4867
01:12:38,142 --> 01:12:40,142
be done

4868
01:12:40,377 --> 01:12:41,645
But I think if Rudy has

4869
01:12:41,645 --> 01:12:42,313
real

4870
01:12:42,313 --> 01:12:42,847
concerns, and I, you know, the

4871
01:12:42,847 --> 01:12:44,115
number of things

4872
01:12:44,115 --> 01:12:44,815
he's pointed

4873
01:12:44,815 --> 01:12:45,182
out, like I agree, you know,

4874
01:12:45,182 --> 01:12:46,450
these are

4875
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:47,284
things that I've seen

4876
01:12:47,284 --> 01:12:48,986
in the business, you know, like

4877
01:12:48,986 --> 01:12:49,453
my clients too, that these

4878
01:12:49,453 --> 01:12:51,453
are

4879
01:12:51,522 --> 01:12:51,789
critical, um, and if they can

4880
01:12:51,789 --> 01:12:53,124
get

4881
01:12:53,124 --> 01:12:53,357
together and

4882
01:12:53,357 --> 01:12:54,580
, and

4883
01:12:54,580 --> 01:12:55,292
understand, you know, what

4884
01:12:55,292 --> 01:12:55,827
the

4885
01:12:55,827 --> 01:12:56,227
changes are, what's

4886
01:12:56,227 --> 01:12:58,950
been talked

4887
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:58,730
about before and come back in

4888
01:12:58,730 --> 01:12:59,230
two weeks, then I think that's

4889
01:12:59,230 --> 01:13:00,464
the best thing

4890
01:13:00,464 --> 01:13:01,166
. To do

4891
01:13:01,166 --> 01:13:02,266
. Now did

4892
01:13:02,266 --> 01:13:02,500
you have

4893
01:13:02,500 --> 01:13:02,767
any

4894
01:13:02,767 --> 01:13:03,267
specific

4895
01:13:03,267 --> 01:13:04,769
recommendations

4896
01:13:04,769 --> 01:13:05,200
? Me, no

4897
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:05,403
,

4898
01:13:05,403 --> 01:13:06,837
because I

4899
01:13:06,837 --> 01:13:07,505
didn't, you know, I'm

4900
01:13:07,505 --> 01:13:08,540
like I'm reading this, I'm

4901
01:13:08,540 --> 01:13:09,140
like

4902
01:13:09,140 --> 01:13:09,674
everything sounds great, but

4903
01:13:09,674 --> 01:13:10,740
this is not my area of

4904
01:13:10,740 --> 01:13:11,208
expertise

4905
01:13:11,208 --> 01:13:11,326
, which is why

4906
01:13:11,326 --> 01:13:11,910
I'm

4907
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:12,310
glad other people on council

4908
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:13,578
have this

4909
01:13:13,578 --> 01:13:14,145
area

4910
01:13:14,145 --> 01:13:14,545
of expertise.

4911
01:13:14,545 --> 01:13:15,580
Absolutely

4912
01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:17,580
, absolutely

4913
01:13:18,182 --> 01:13:18,416
. I'm

4914
01:13:18,416 --> 01:13:19,183
I'm

4915
01:13:19,183 --> 01:13:20,840
fine with doing it either way

4916
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:21,118
,

4917
01:13:21,118 --> 01:13:22,920
and we could, we could pass it

4918
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:23,321
and then come back and

4919
01:13:23,321 --> 01:13:24,689
and

4920
01:13:24,689 --> 01:13:25,490
add

4921
01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:25,723
the items that Rudy thinks

4922
01:13:25,723 --> 01:13:27,358
are

4923
01:13:27,358 --> 01:13:27,725
essential later, or

4924
01:13:27,725 --> 01:13:28,793
we can

4925
01:13:28,793 --> 01:13:29,160
try

4926
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:29,827
to tie it

4927
01:13:29,827 --> 01:13:31,496
all

4928
01:13:31,496 --> 01:13:32,300
up at

4929
01:13:32,300 --> 01:13:32,763
once. If

4930
01:13:32,763 --> 01:13:33,464
we're going to tie it all up

4931
01:13:33,464 --> 01:13:34,198
at

4932
01:13:34,198 --> 01:13:34,699
once, there's no way we can get

4933
01:13:34,699 --> 01:13:36,200
that done tonight

4934
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:36,834
. Right? Yeah,

4935
01:13:36,834 --> 01:13:37,134
and I think that's what melt

4936
01:13:37,134 --> 01:13:38,169
and

4937
01:13:38,169 --> 01:13:38,936
I

4938
01:13:38,936 --> 01:13:40,138
think possibly

4939
01:13:40,138 --> 01:13:40,772
4

4940
01:13:40,772 --> 01:13:41,472
weeks

4941
01:13:41,472 --> 01:13:42,641
because the, you know, it

4942
01:13:42,641 --> 01:13:43,375
, it's

4943
01:13:43,375 --> 01:13:43,641
however long it's going to,

4944
01:13:43,641 --> 01:13:45,760
once

4945
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:45,476
, once

4946
01:13:45,476 --> 01:13:45,843
the

4947
01:13:45,843 --> 01:13:46,144
council people

4948
01:13:46,144 --> 01:13:47,111
agree

4949
01:13:47,111 --> 01:13:47,679
then

4950
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:47,845
it's however long

4951
01:13:47,845 --> 01:13:48,146
it

4952
01:13:48,146 --> 01:13:49,747
takes

4953
01:13:49,747 --> 01:13:50,181
, uh, for the city manager

4954
01:13:50,181 --> 01:13:51,816
and the city

4955
01:13:51,816 --> 01:13:52,450
attorney to review

4956
01:13:52,450 --> 01:13:52,717
it and you know, as you pointed

4957
01:13:52,717 --> 01:13:53,952
out

4958
01:13:53,952 --> 01:13:54,619
, Mr

4959
01:13:54,619 --> 01:13:54,919
. Mayor, they have, they

4960
01:13:54,919 --> 01:13:55,954
have

4961
01:13:55,954 --> 01:13:56,554
a

4962
01:13:56,554 --> 01:13:57,880
full

4963
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:58,423
schedule so it is

4964
01:13:58,423 --> 01:13:59,324
,

4965
01:13:59,324 --> 01:14:01,193
and, and I apologize. I had the

4966
01:14:01,193 --> 01:14:01,593
same perspective as Melody. I

4967
01:14:01,593 --> 01:14:03,228
thought we

4968
01:14:03,228 --> 01:14:04,950
were just, I thought

4969
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:05,430
we were going to discuss what

4970
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:06,970
was presented tonight for

4971
01:14:06,970 --> 01:14:06,330
Jonathan. Right there as well,

4972
01:14:06,330 --> 01:14:07,432
so

4973
01:14:07,432 --> 01:14:08,132
I

4974
01:14:08,132 --> 01:14:08,433
didn't, sorry y'all. No,

4975
01:14:08,433 --> 01:14:10,134
we're

4976
01:14:10,134 --> 01:14:10,768
, we're discussing, we're

4977
01:14:10,768 --> 01:14:11,360
discussing, uh, you're like,

4978
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:12,170
what

4979
01:14:12,170 --> 01:14:12,504
is the

4980
01:14:12,504 --> 01:14:13,380
deadline that I

4981
01:14:13,380 --> 01:14:13,538
have to have a draft or

4982
01:14:13,538 --> 01:14:14,472
something, and

4983
01:14:14,472 --> 01:14:15,240
that's what

4984
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:16,274
we'll get it. I guess I

4985
01:14:16,274 --> 01:14:17,142
, I

4986
01:14:17,142 --> 01:14:17,575
haven't heard much more of

4987
01:14:17,575 --> 01:14:18,843
Caesar. I

4988
01:14:18,843 --> 01:14:19,277
, I

4989
01:14:19,277 --> 01:14:19,979
really agree a lot

4990
01:14:19,979 --> 01:14:21,212
with, uh, what Melody said

4991
01:14:21,212 --> 01:14:21,980
, um,

4992
01:14:21,980 --> 01:14:22,880
it's, I'm ok with holding

4993
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:23,581
off

4994
01:14:23,581 --> 01:14:24,215
and, and that way it gives us

4995
01:14:24,215 --> 01:14:25,583
an opportunity to be

4996
01:14:25,583 --> 01:14:25,817
able

4997
01:14:25,817 --> 01:14:26,317
to

4998
01:14:26,317 --> 01:14:26,651
really fully

4999
01:14:26,651 --> 01:14:27,686
read

5000
01:14:27,686 --> 01:14:28,354
Rudy's draft

5001
01:14:28,354 --> 01:14:28,787
that we just got today and

5002
01:14:28,787 --> 01:14:29,788
digest it and

5003
01:14:29,788 --> 01:14:30,155
see

5004
01:14:30,155 --> 01:14:30,522
if there's,

5005
01:14:30,522 --> 01:14:31,230
what, what

5006
01:14:31,230 --> 01:14:32,424
changes and how and

5007
01:14:32,424 --> 01:14:33,240
.

5008
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,260
What we wanna do, so

5009
01:14:35,260 --> 01:14:36,428
. I

5010
01:14:36,428 --> 01:14:36,761
,

5011
01:14:36,761 --> 01:14:37,195
Kimberly

5012
01:14:37,195 --> 01:14:37,529
, uh, thank you for

5013
01:14:37,529 --> 01:14:38,930
asking

5014
01:14:38,930 --> 01:14:39,431
. Um

5015
01:14:39,431 --> 01:14:41,266
, of course, um, I

5016
01:14:41,266 --> 01:14:41,800
I

5017
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:42,234
am concerned

5018
01:14:42,234 --> 01:14:43,368
about

5019
01:14:43,368 --> 01:14:43,802
the number

5020
01:14:43,802 --> 01:14:44,370
of hours

5021
01:14:44,370 --> 01:14:45,737
that have already

5022
01:14:45,737 --> 01:14:46,710
been

5023
01:14:46,710 --> 01:14:46,705
spent

5024
01:14:46,705 --> 01:14:47,639
on this, and then

5025
01:14:47,639 --> 01:14:47,906
I

5026
01:14:47,906 --> 01:14:48,573
keep

5027
01:14:48,573 --> 01:14:49,700
thinking about the priorities

5028
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:50,742
that we set

5029
01:14:50,742 --> 01:14:51,276
. Um

5030
01:14:51,276 --> 01:14:52,244
, and

5031
01:14:52,244 --> 01:14:52,844
how

5032
01:14:52,844 --> 01:14:53,178
sometimes us going back and

5033
01:14:53,178 --> 01:14:54,712
forth

5034
01:14:54,712 --> 01:14:54,980
, this is, and

5035
01:14:54,980 --> 01:14:55,380
it's

5036
01:14:55,380 --> 01:14:55,748
very

5037
01:14:55,748 --> 01:14:57,182
important

5038
01:14:57,182 --> 01:14:57,716
, um, how going back

5039
01:14:57,716 --> 01:14:59,840
and forth is going

5040
01:14:59,840 --> 01:14:59,751
to take

5041
01:14:59,751 --> 01:14:59,985
additional time away from some

5042
01:14:59,985 --> 01:15:01,453
of

5043
01:15:01,453 --> 01:15:01,753
those priorities we

5044
01:15:01,753 --> 01:15:02,188
did set,

5045
01:15:02,188 --> 01:15:03,955
and it is

5046
01:15:03,955 --> 01:15:04,256
budget season. I

5047
01:15:04,256 --> 01:15:04,623
am

5048
01:15:04,623 --> 01:15:06,124
wondering

5049
01:15:06,124 --> 01:15:06,625
if what has already

5050
01:15:06,625 --> 01:15:08,493
been worked on

5051
01:15:08,493 --> 01:15:08,693
. Could

5052
01:15:08,693 --> 01:15:09,128
be

5053
01:15:09,128 --> 01:15:10,429
approved and

5054
01:15:10,429 --> 01:15:10,863
then

5055
01:15:10,863 --> 01:15:10,993
we build

5056
01:15:10,993 --> 01:15:11,363
,

5057
01:15:11,363 --> 01:15:12,764
right? Um

5058
01:15:12,764 --> 01:15:13,165
, I'm just wondering

5059
01:15:13,165 --> 01:15:13,598
if. If

5060
01:15:13,598 --> 01:15:14,966
we'll be able

5061
01:15:14,966 --> 01:15:15,735
to resolve

5062
01:15:15,735 --> 01:15:18,270
this. I don't think 4 arms is

5063
01:15:18,270 --> 01:15:18,737
actually reasonable. City

5064
01:15:18,737 --> 01:15:19,271
manager said

5065
01:15:19,271 --> 01:15:19,671
he's

5066
01:15:19,671 --> 01:15:20,239
already spent

5067
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:21,873
60 hours. The

5068
01:15:21,873 --> 01:15:22,140
city

5069
01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:22,507
manager has

5070
01:15:22,507 --> 01:15:23,642
said he's

5071
01:15:23,642 --> 01:15:24,110
a

5072
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:24,877
city attorney is

5073
01:15:24,877 --> 01:15:26,678
about the same, so I just want

5074
01:15:26,678 --> 01:15:27,446
to be very realistic about the

5075
01:15:27,446 --> 01:15:28,747
time that it's going to take

5076
01:15:28,747 --> 01:15:29,181
for us to create

5077
01:15:29,181 --> 01:15:30,516
the

5078
01:15:30,516 --> 01:15:31,383
document

5079
01:15:31,383 --> 01:15:31,650
that satisfies both, and I know

5080
01:15:31,650 --> 01:15:33,850
you

5081
01:15:33,850 --> 01:15:33,685
were working on it and I

5082
01:15:33,685 --> 01:15:35,320
was just sitting here

5083
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:35,988
wondering

5084
01:15:35,988 --> 01:15:37,390
why another one was created

5085
01:15:37,390 --> 01:15:38,324
. No

5086
01:15:38,324 --> 01:15:39,791
cause I didn't want to review

5087
01:15:39,791 --> 01:15:40,460
,

5088
01:15:40,460 --> 01:15:40,893
oh, maybe I didn't say it from

5089
01:15:40,893 --> 01:15:41,927
the beginning

5090
01:15:41,927 --> 01:15:42,628
. Once you started

5091
01:15:42,628 --> 01:15:42,928
working with David, I did not

5092
01:15:42,928 --> 01:15:44,596
want

5093
01:15:44,596 --> 01:15:45,197
to have to worry about any

5094
01:15:45,197 --> 01:15:46,331
foreign issues or

5095
01:15:46,331 --> 01:15:46,932
anything like

5096
01:15:46,932 --> 01:15:47,332
that, so I was like, let me

5097
01:15:47,332 --> 01:15:48,835
just wait

5098
01:15:48,835 --> 01:15:49,501
, get whatever the

5099
01:15:49,501 --> 01:15:50,102
final version is, and therefore

5100
01:15:50,102 --> 01:15:50,836
that I'll go ahead and

5101
01:15:50,836 --> 01:15:51,570
give my

5102
01:15:51,570 --> 01:15:51,804
thoughts on the final version.

5103
01:15:51,804 --> 01:15:52,971
I

5104
01:15:52,971 --> 01:15:53,539
, I

5105
01:15:53,539 --> 01:15:54,730
, I mean, and for the

5106
01:15:54,730 --> 01:15:55,240
public, that's one

5107
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:55,541
of

5108
01:15:55,541 --> 01:15:55,657
our

5109
01:15:55,657 --> 01:15:56,442
big

5110
01:15:56,442 --> 01:15:57,743
issues if you, and you know

5111
01:15:57,743 --> 01:15:58,477
,

5112
01:15:58,477 --> 01:15:59,780
and I know Kim brought it up a

5113
01:15:59,780 --> 01:16:00,790
couple of weeks ago

5114
01:16:00,790 --> 01:16:00,612
. If you, if

5115
01:16:00,612 --> 01:16:02,515
you don't hear

5116
01:16:02,515 --> 01:16:02,848
from us on

5117
01:16:02,848 --> 01:16:03,315
things

5118
01:16:03,315 --> 01:16:04,517
. It's

5119
01:16:04,517 --> 01:16:05,840
because we worry

5120
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:06,919
about getting sued

5121
01:16:06,919 --> 01:16:07,520
. It's just

5122
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:08,153
to be flat out to tell you

5123
01:16:08,153 --> 01:16:08,821
right there accordingly

5124
01:16:08,821 --> 01:16:09,288
and so

5125
01:16:09,288 --> 01:16:09,755
we've got to

5126
01:16:09,755 --> 01:16:11,755
be careful about

5127
01:16:11,957 --> 01:16:12,225
how we if if

5128
01:16:12,225 --> 01:16:13,426
we're

5129
01:16:13,426 --> 01:16:14,260
discussing,

5130
01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:14,327
we're discussing in

5131
01:16:14,327 --> 01:16:14,627
the public

5132
01:16:14,627 --> 01:16:15,961
and

5133
01:16:15,961 --> 01:16:16,595
we're having these

5134
01:16:16,595 --> 01:16:17,630
conversations because we don't

5135
01:16:17,630 --> 01:16:18,331
want people to

5136
01:16:18,331 --> 01:16:18,564
come back

5137
01:16:18,564 --> 01:16:19,640
and

5138
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:20,132
say, explain to

5139
01:16:20,132 --> 01:16:20,733
them why

5140
01:16:20,733 --> 01:16:21,300
be

5141
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:22,768
sued they remove

5142
01:16:22,768 --> 01:16:23,135
the prison

5143
01:16:23,135 --> 01:16:25,135
penalty

5144
01:16:25,304 --> 01:16:25,638
. That's true. That is

5145
01:16:25,638 --> 01:16:27,140
true. We

5146
01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:27,706
could actually go to

5147
01:16:27,706 --> 01:16:29,275
jail too as well

5148
01:16:29,275 --> 01:16:29,842
. Open

5149
01:16:29,842 --> 01:16:30,209
open

5150
01:16:30,209 --> 01:16:31,877
meetings

5151
01:16:31,877 --> 01:16:32,312
a real

5152
01:16:32,312 --> 01:16:32,611
thing and

5153
01:16:32,611 --> 01:16:33,846
so we

5154
01:16:33,846 --> 01:16:34,613
we are

5155
01:16:34,613 --> 01:16:35,881
very cognizant of

5156
01:16:35,881 --> 01:16:36,782
, very

5157
01:16:36,782 --> 01:16:38,500
aware of it, so that's why

5158
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:38,818
you

5159
01:16:38,818 --> 01:16:39,318
don't, we're, we're very

5160
01:16:39,318 --> 01:16:40,553
particular about

5161
01:16:40,553 --> 01:16:40,920
how we operate

5162
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,920
and work

5163
01:16:43,122 --> 01:16:43,522
. All right

5164
01:16:43,522 --> 01:16:43,956
, um, great

5165
01:16:43,956 --> 01:16:45,580
point. Any

5166
01:16:45,580 --> 01:16:45,325
other, any

5167
01:16:45,325 --> 01:16:46,250
other

5168
01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:46,960
comments on this item at

5169
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:47,560
this

5170
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:47,860
point? It is on our regular

5171
01:16:47,860 --> 01:16:49,860
agenda

5172
01:16:49,962 --> 01:16:50,262
. All right

5173
01:16:50,262 --> 01:16:50,530
, this time

5174
01:16:50,530 --> 01:16:51,931
I'm

5175
01:16:51,931 --> 01:16:52,264
gonna take us to

5176
01:16:52,264 --> 01:16:53,766
item 3d

5177
01:16:53,766 --> 01:16:54,330
.

5178
01:16:54,330 --> 01:16:54,701
Uh

5179
01:16:54,701 --> 01:16:56,102
, we're gonna retire

5180
01:16:56,102 --> 01:16:56,769
to

5181
01:16:56,769 --> 01:16:57,103
executive session on this one.

5182
01:16:57,103 --> 01:16:58,638
This is

5183
01:16:58,638 --> 01:16:59,338
deliberation regarding

5184
01:16:59,338 --> 01:17:01,730
real property and economic

5185
01:17:01,730 --> 01:17:01,507
development negotiations

5186
01:17:01,507 --> 01:17:02,976
pursuant to

5187
01:17:02,976 --> 01:17:03,342
Section 551.087 of

5188
01:17:03,342 --> 01:17:03,876
the Texas

5189
01:17:03,876 --> 01:17:05,378
government

5190
01:17:05,378 --> 01:17:05,878
code

5191
01:17:05,878 --> 01:17:06,179
related to

5192
01:17:06,179 --> 01:17:07,280
Project

5193
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:07,480
Opera

5194
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:07,780
, the

5195
01:17:07,780 --> 01:17:08,247
time

5196
01:17:08,247 --> 01:17:09,949
is

5197
01:17:09,949 --> 01:17:10,583
6:15. We're in

5198
01:17:10,583 --> 01:17:12,583
executive session. One

5199
01:33:28,135 --> 01:33:30,135
. Evening

5200
01:33:37,156 --> 01:33:39,156
It

5201
01:33:46,637 --> 01:33:48,637
is

5202
01:33:57,736 --> 01:33:59,736
6:32

5203
01:34:09,697 --> 01:34:11,697
. We've returned from