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I hope everybody can hear us.
Like to call to order the

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September 22nd, 2025 board of public
works and safety meeting.

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» Uh roll call, please.
>> Mayor Listenberger

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» here.
>> Cole

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» here.
>> Ecker

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» here.
>> Mer

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» here. Marorrow
>> here.

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» Thank you.
I entertain a motion to approve the

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minutes from our September 8th meeting.
>> Move.

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» I have a motion.
>> Second.

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» Got a second. Any further discussion?
>> Hearing none. All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Those opposed? Nay. Thank you.

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Um, anything from the board members
before we get started into the

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» you good cho? Good. Good. Good. Good.
>> Good.

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» All right. We'll just jump into Donnie.
Anything this evening?

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» I have nothing tonight.
Uh Dan's not with us tonight.

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Uh Dennis is not with us, but
>> Oh, Dennis.

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» Dennis, you're up if you can hear me.

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I don't have

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» Oh, that's right.

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» Okay.

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So, we're gonna we'll treat try to keep
getting Dennis if you can and then

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Dennis when you again I'm going to uh
Burke, you want to come up now and we'll

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get right into that. I forgot about
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» Good evening members. Uh appreciate you
letting me jump ahead here. Um you may

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have hopefully in front of the
application that we have. Uh, first of

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all, my name is Burke Richardson here in
representation of Collins Equity Group

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and Centennial Crossing LLC and the
Homeowners Association for Centennial

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Crossing. Um, we put in an application
to have the speed limit uh set at 25

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miles per hour just within that single
family area. Uh, recognizing that's a

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drop from the traditional uh limit
that's there with the we have these

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beautiful wide roads that are easy to
traverse and a few areas that are a

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little bit straight. uh and just have a
few individuals or uh tendency for

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people to kind of get going a little bit
too fast. Uh and with the wider road, a

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little bit longer crossing time and uh
with having kids and stuff traveling to

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and from schools and parks and those
types of things, we would request a a

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drop that speed limit down to 25 miles
per hour and then we put up signs posted

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around so that everyone knows what that
speed limit is. Um but we just think in

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the you know name of safety and stuff
that that that kind of warrants that

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drop in speed limit.

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What does it cover? Is it the normal
speed limit from

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» I think the Yeah, the traditional is 30
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» It's not posted, but that's just the the
fall back. You know,

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» those are city streets, correct?
>> They are, right? That's why we're here.

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The the back we would patrol and kind of
keep track of. If we wanted to put up a

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speed limit sign back there as private
roads, we could, but not really all that

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enforceable. Just try and slow people
down. the public streets in the front.

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You know, that's why we're here.
>> Do the public streets have signs right

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now that say 30?
>> They do not.

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» So, there are no signs, right?
>> There are no signs now, but they have a

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Jeeoff, I believe it's 30 miles per hour
is the just

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» I don't remember off the top of my head.
>> Okay. 30 or 35.

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» 30 or 35 I believe in city. And then
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» chief, you know, is that
>> it kind of like he's saying it depends

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on the the neighborhoods. Some are 25
and then some are

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35 kind of how they designate them. So
if there's no signs posted, it's

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supposed to be a 25 residential, but
like my neighborhood, it's got a 35

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sign, which seems awful fast, but
I didn't post it.

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» Isn't that something Jimmy can look into
and report back to us in two weeks? I

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mean, we normally don't have signs
posted in residential areas. I know this

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is a request to go. I was thinking it
was 30, but I'm not sure what the state

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law is. I would on that one with But I
mean, if you chose to go 25, I know that

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would probably have to be
I know that would probably have to be

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if you chose to go 25, I'm sure that'
have to be a board approval to

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definitely make it legal because like I
said, I thinking normal speed is not

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posted as 30. I would think somewhere we
would have to post it too because it's

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different. I mean,
>> right, but everything's going to refer

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to, and John correct me if I'm wrong,
but it's going to refer to the maximum

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speed limit in a city corporation is 30
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» So, I just
>> That's what I always took it as too.

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» Is that the way you understood it, John?
>> He was on his phone.

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» John, can you come up here, Matt? We're
gonna get company. Yes.

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» Dennis says he can't see or hear
anything. I told him we see him, but

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he's not getting anything in.

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» My question was is unless otherwise
posted, everything inside the city's 30

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30 m hour maximum
unless otherwise posted.

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» I'd have to look at that statute again
how it reads.

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» I I believe you're correct. It's 30 or
35 unless it's posted 25

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» because we've posted before at 25.
>> I mean that that place is crowded.

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There's a lot of kids out there. I
disagree. 30 30 m hour there's crazy.

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So, and we went, you know, I went
through this route to verify just to see

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if we could just put up the signs and
say, hey, it's 25 mile per hour, but

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getting this feedback, I thought, let's
put an application in and make sure that

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we get it approved the way it needs to
be before buying signs and those types

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of things.

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» I'll make a motion we reduce the speed
limit to 25 miles hour.

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» Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any

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further discussion? Anybody have
anything to add to that?

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» You guys are purchasing and putting that
sign.

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» Yeah, we'll buy the signs.
>> Sounds Sounds good to me.

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» Good job, Jim.
>> Good job. Um, all right. We have a

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motion in a second. Um,
>> all in favor say I.

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» I. I.
>> Those opposed? Nay.

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» Unanimous.
>> Thank you so much. I really appreciate

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it.
>> Thanks.

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» All right. Were we able to get Dennis?
>> I believe Hyperwave is trying to work on

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it, but
>> I'm going to text him and say we'll come

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back to him.

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Okay, we'll go down to uh Chief Hollum.
Anything this evening?

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» Nothing tonight. Thank you.
>> Chief Weir.

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» Yes.

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» I don't know if we can put him on phone
speaker phone and set up here and talk

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back and forth.
>> Uh if we have to in a little bit. We're

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still working on trying to Oh, unless
he's part of your talk. Is he?

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» No. No, I got nothing on that.
>> Okay. So, no, I'm just here to uh

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request a financial guarantee waiver for
the um block cameras.

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Those were
I got the PO for those last March and

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I've been in contact with them wondering
what's going on. Well, they said they

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haven't got the thing signed by Chris
Marshall and Chris Marshall says that

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he's waiting for a financial guarantee.
I'm like, nobody said anything to me

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about it. So, he said I need to get a
waiver. So I'm here

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Chris had emailed me about this also
because the flock cameras are being

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installed in the city rightway. Normally
for any work in the rightway we require

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a financial guarantee but because it's
the city having them installed. Then the

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request is to wave that financial
guarantee because ultimately it would be

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the city paying a financial guarantee to
ourselves to ensure that we had them

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installed correctly.
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» I'll make a motion we approve the
request.

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» Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any

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further discussion?
>> Do you want me to do roll call? Roll

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call vote, please.
>> Not necessarily because you're all here.

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» Okay. All in favor say I.
>> I.

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» Those opposed? Nay.
>> All right. Thank you.

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» Very good. Thanks,

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» Mr. Marquet.

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open for you.
>> Is there any more quotes for payment?

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I said there should not be. We requested
the three quotes

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for the requirements of purchasing. Um,
so this is to do the paving at the

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street department to finish up our
parking lot. It's in our budget.

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So, I solicited three quotes
[Applause]

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and I had a main lot, the main part of
the lot. Then I had a couple add-on

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areas just in case if it worked out, we
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So, the first quote is from EMB Paving
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Um on the main request of the parking
lot was $81,600.

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Item number

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or alternate bid number one it added
$22,760

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and that is going down between the old
pavement between our salt shed and cold

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storage building.
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to add a little bit farther onto the
back side of our parking lot where we

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park equipment and it was $7,000. Total
bid is $112,320.

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[Applause]
>> Which company was it? EMB baby.

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[Applause]

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[Applause]

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The second one was your milestone
contractors in South Bend.

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So the
subtotal of the main quote was 82,663.

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The
second alternative was 9,73592.

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The third al or the second alternative
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for a total of $119,822.

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[Applause]

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[Applause]

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[Applause]
The third quote requested was through

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Ree Riley Construction
out of South Bend. Awesome.

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[Applause]

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Okay. Front page. Uh scope of work. The
main quote asked was $81,021.

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The alternative one was 28,721

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and alternative 2 was 17,699.
[Applause]

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Um, they did not come up with a total
price on all those and I don't have to

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do that
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» what I guess I would ask for is
permission. These do fit within our

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definite fit in our aotted line item.
And I would ask for permission to review

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these and go ahead and get going on
something like this because our next

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meeting's three weeks away and with the
season. Make a motion we approve the

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request.
>> Second motion and second. Any further

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discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor will say I.

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» I.
>> And those opposed? Nay.

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Unanimous.
>> Thank you, Jim. Anything else?

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» Nothing else on

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» Mike Collins.
>> Thank you.

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Mike height, are you is he online?

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» He said earlier too, he couldn't hear
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» I think it is, but

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they cannot hear us.

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All right. Uh, Bill Shely.

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» Hello.
Um, June, July, around that time, um,

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Dr. Whit came in front of you and talked
about the Blueberry Festival, Blueberry

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Stomp that he's the race director. Um,
for those of you who may not know, Dr.

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Dr. Wood is also on our board of
aviation directors, uh, one of the

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commissioners and with the pending
opening of our taxiway. Um, Dr. Wit has

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organized a Plymouth Runway Mile and 5K.
So, uh, he's just got the website up and

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already has some people signed up and
next June 13th on a Saturday, we're

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going to have a run the runway mile and
a 5K. And um we're going to have some

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additional aviation things there with
helicopter rides and hoping to get uh

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some display aircraft in. Uh the
proceeds are going to benefit

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scholarships for the flight school and
high school program. So I wanted to let

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you know about that and get it out to
the press. I've forward it to Laura as

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well to include on our website.
>> Okay. Okay.

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» Thank you, Bill.
I'm gonna put I'm gonna call Dennis, put

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him on speaker and I don't know if this
will be loud enough for everybody. I

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don't know if I put it
probably from that conference.

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» It's brand new phone and I've not tried
using it though. So,

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» it won't connect to that.
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» that's a
>> this speaker is better.

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» That's a conference phone right there.
>> Try it now. Dennis, how you doing?

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» Okay. How are you?
>> Okay. People here pretty good. We're

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going to go with it. Uh you're up,
Dennis. Um

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I see you had it. We're tableabling the
Northgate

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property.
>> Yeah, I was just going to give an

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update. Um they did
they did um tear down I believe it was

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seven units.

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» They put sent me a timeline. I did not
send it to the council. I'm sorry for

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that.
They did put a temporary

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excuse me. They did put a temporary
structure over the

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man or catch basin
and they are cleaning up the property.

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So I do have a timeline. They're asking
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kind of leave the manhole
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over the until winter time is over.

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Anything else with that property?
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» All right. I I see there's some people
here with the point. Did you Did

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um you aware of that?

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» I I didn't know if they were going to be
able to make it to the agenda tonight or

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not, but yeah. Okay. Well, they're here.
Um, do you want to speak? I know I think

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possibly you had a meeting with the
purchase

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people that have potential purchase on
it, right?

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» Potential purchase. Um, spoke with them
on the phone.

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» Okay. Friday.
>> So, the Pomeroys are here. Um, do you

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guys want to come up and

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and go ahead and tell us what you know,
Dennis?

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Um, Tom Roy, I believe, are want to buy
the property.

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From my understanding, they've had a
commercial inspector come in and go

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through the property and look at it.
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apparently are planning on fixing it up.
I asked if they could present a timeline

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of what their proposed timeline would be
and possible

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Basically give a time lap. We don't want
to if if we

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recommendation would be to if we're not
going to demo it then not lift the order

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but postpone it and allow them to give
me a timeline.

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I don't want a repeat of what we just
went through.

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» Okay. All right. So
I'll just back up just a second. they we

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were aware of this offer potentially
coming and so I asked the Pommeroy to

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visit with you Dennis and it was you
know it's got to go through you and it

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sounds like you did that and I think
this would be a good time for

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Doug and Nan to tell us the plan and
update us on the purchase offer that you

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did and stuff like that. So, um, so you
want to introduce your name and address,

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please?
>> Doug and Nan Pomemeroy. We live at 277

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Juniper Lane here in Plymouth. We are
also, uh, Shepherd's Beginnings

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Ministry, uh, which started last year,
and, uh, Doug can tell you a little bit

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about that, but we are also the leaders
of the Celebrate Recovery at Plymouth

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Wesleyan Church. And we are also uh,
associate chaplain out of Marshall

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County Jail.
>> Okay. So, I did print out copies.

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» Yeah, you can
>> of the proposed plan.

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» Didn't know how many I have.

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And uh we did
put in an offer which was accepted. and

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the sellers uh representatives, they're
here tonight and they can verify that

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all the signatures have been uh obtained
from the sellers, the partners and so

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forth, and they have accepted our offer
uh with contingencies. And I believe I

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sent something I did send the sales
agreement uh to Kyle uh so he can share

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copies of that to whomever you need to.
>> Okay. So, you've got that. And uh in

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talking with Dennis uh I do realize the
problems that existed uh during the last

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few years over this property. Uh but I
have uh Dennis I am giving everyone a

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copy uh tonight of the proposed building
upgrade safety plan. And today we

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actually did have Ken and you've got
that paper underneath that warrant fire

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and security.
they have listed what they will come in

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and check. Uh you don't have to read all
those papers. Uh but uh as soon as we

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know that the demolition order can be
reversed or suspended or postponed, we

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will go ahead and I'll sign this and
they will come in within the next couple

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of weeks to do a full inspection of the
sprinkler system, the alarm system, and

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everything else that's listed on here.
and we will sign a contract with them uh

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showing that we will absolutely have
them inspected on required basis and

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they will help us make sure that the
city and state codes are met.

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» And as far as financial,
we're paying cash for the building and

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we have enough cash to do all the
upgrades. So, uh if you want any

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verification of that, we'd be more than
happy to to give it. So, uh, the

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financial aspect of it will not be a
problem.

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» I know. We keep looking at Dennis and he
probably can't even see us.

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» Actually, you can see us, can't you,
Dennis?

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» I I can see you.
>> The YouTube channel is working.

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» I'm watching on the YouTube channel. So,
there is a slight delay, but

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» Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» And in two days, in two days, we do have
an inspector. Um that's uh NPI out of

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South Bend. Uh NPI Michigan commercial
building inspectors coming in in two

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days if we can get this postponed or
whatever. Uh we'll we are going to have

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I already signed a contract to have them
come in and they will inspect the entire

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building.
But we're doing it in two phases. Yeah.

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» That the fire that that comes first that
we'll make sure that that is dealt with.

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But then anything that he suggests that
needs to be repaired, inspected, uh,

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continually, whatever we have to do,
we're going to make sure and we will

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follow professional people's advice and
do what needs to be done to get it up to

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city and state codes.

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» What's the plan for the business itself?
>> What's what's the plan?

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» The plan itself,
>> please. uh a transitional house uh for

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people that are getting out of jail or
prison instead of throwing them on the

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street. We want to bring them in uh give
them a place to stay for a period of

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time, help them find jobs,
transportation, and all that stuff. And

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and we we're working with quite a few
people at both of the hotels right now

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and we have no place to help them put
them get them out of that place and get

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them to a place that's safe. So that's
our intentions

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» because number one, in order for them to
even reside at this property, they will

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be drug tested. There will be no uh
exceptions to that rule. Yeah, they will

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have to be drug-free.
>> Is is the drug testing up front one time

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only or
be random? and and I didn't know that

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you would want to know exactly what we
were doing with the building, but I

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actually have that all written up as
well, our requirements for anyone that

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uh wants our assistance. We have several
guidelines that they must follow to

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continue their upfront drug testing.
They have to sign agreements of what

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they will, what they will not do. Um and
and it's ongoing and we have the right

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they signed that as well that anytime we
have a suspicion that they will have to

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submit to a drug test or risk being
kicked out,

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» you know,
>> and it's an opportunity right now. We've

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bought some houses and we can only help
one. This we can help 30. Does that make

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sense?
>> Yeah.

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» Okay.
>> I just was curious, but thank you. Mhm.

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» And I I want to kind of cut in there, I
I did tell the Palmeroy that this this

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property has lost its grandfather clause
and a variance to use it for a

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residential any kind of residential use
will have to go before the board of

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building appeals. So
>> yes,

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» yeah, we're aware.
>> We are aware.

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» That's one of your contingencies
probably.

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» That's correct.
>> Yeah.

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» Won't do us any good if we can't get
that in.

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» Yeah. So there's sustainability. How
would you sustain this program?

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What's how are you going to be able to
sustain this program after the initial

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purchase
>> financial?

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» Yes,
>> we do. Okay.

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» And we're happy to provide you with that
information when it comes to that. We'll

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we'll give you the information.
>> So other words, uh we're going to be

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funding everything, but we will
certainly accept donations

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» and and they're not going to stay there
for free. It's going to be sort of like

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David's courage.
>> Okay.

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» But it's very affordable, you know, uh
and so um it's just part of the

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responsibility that they need too uh to
provide some money for them.

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» They expect to go out and find
employment and all that good stuff.

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» Yes.
>> We're helping people now finding jobs

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» which is important
>> and we're we're providing temporary work

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for a number of people right now. So to
help them get on their feet, pay their

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utilities, get signed up for an
apartment somewhere, and have their

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first months, last month's security
deposit because there's a good number of

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people out there at the uh hotels right
now that they're there because they

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can't come up with all that money to get
that apartment.

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» So what about uh the the fines? Don't
the fines follow the uh property, not

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the property owner?
>> Correct.

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» Yes. So any fines that are not paid are
added as a lean on the property. Um

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there are other leans on the property as
well. There is a signed purchase

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agreement, but that's one of the
contingencies in the purchase agreement

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that uh the seller has to resolve all of
those fines so that they can deliver a

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clear title to the property. remind me
what the fine was from the uh attorney

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general.
>> So, the attorney general has a judgment.

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Um I don't remember the exact amount. It
was just over $300,000 was the order

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judgment. Uh there is statutory interest
occurring on that as well. So, until a

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closing date is set, we can't tell you
the exact amount. Um I I believe that

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they're going to have to negotiate a
settlement with the attorney general in

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order to uh resolve that lean.
>> Is that part of the contingency?

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» That is a contingency.
>> Yes.

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» So there's still a lot to go through to
make this deal happen. I'll just say

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that um I'm all about repurposing
buildings and I think this is the

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building that could be repurposed and
this in my opinion um I've had several

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meetings with the Palmroys and I kind of
understand and I feel really confident

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in their ability to repurpose this
building and run it effectively. That's

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just my opinion, but uh feel pretty good
about that.

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» Thank you.
I I'll just throw my two cents out that

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I uh I obviously can't speak for the
BCA, but I will imagine that you'll have

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some neighbors that are going to object.
So,

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» that'll be part of the process,
>> reszoning.

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And my other concern is, you know,
what's going to happen to the property

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once you folks decide you're done uh
with with this project.

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» That's where we're buried.
>> Yeah. Well,

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» this is our life. This is our
retirement.

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» Okay.
And the property is going to be in the

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name of our ministry,
>> right? And and we are a nonprofit,

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» which means that it will continue on
without us because some other charity

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can purchase it or or assume
responsibility for it.

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» Do you have board members then?
>> Yes, we do.

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» Okay.
>> So, we're looking for a timeline,

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Dennis. Is that correct?
>> Yes. Uh timeline you

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own the demolition order, I guess.
>> Suspended. So you look for a suspension

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on this.
>> So um

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» I I would not recommend a suspension. I
would recommend a temporary

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extension. the the legal term I would
use is a stay of the order, which just

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means that it's it's paused. And I agree
with what Dennis says that we don't want

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to have to start the process over again.
Where you're at right now is this board

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issued uh approved a demolition order
and when the owner did not comply with

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that, you solicited and approved a quote
for the demolition pending approval of

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funds from the city council. Later
tonight, uh the city council will be

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considering a resolution to transfer
funds to the unsafe building fund that

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can be used for the demolition. And then
the plan is at the first meeting in

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October to consider an additional
appropriation of those funds so that uh

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the the demolition contract uh can
proceed. If you were to approve a stay

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of the demolition order uh pending a any
recommendation of the building

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commissioner, that would essentially
pause the process. um let the Palmeroy

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have a chance to try to resolve the
issues on the property and uh close on

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the purchase and give Dennis the
opportunity to monitor that so that he

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can come back to you later and tell you
one way or another whether uh he

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believes the demolition should proceed
or whether it can be lifted.

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» So if we stay the order, do we need to
proceed with still proceed with the

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appropriation? So I will recommend to
the council that they do still proceed

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with the transfer of funds and the
additional appropriation again so that

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we don't have to start that process over
again if the sale were to fall through.

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» Okay. Then the next question is we've
talked about extending. What are you

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recommending Dennis?

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» I would recommend for the time being a
one month.

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I think that would give the Palmeroys
sufficient time to

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have all their contractors and
inspectors come in and give them a

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estimated estimated time to complete the
construction.

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» Uh yes, uh we can have the building
inspected in two days. And I was told on

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the phone tonight before I came that the
fire inspection, sprinkler system, uh

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the fire alarm can be done in about two
to three weeks.

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And then at that point, they're going to
let us know what needs to be repaired,

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has to be done, and how long it will
take. You're just your 30 days is just

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for us to get that far. Right.
>> Correct. I would I would look at a

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30-day stay, allow you guys to get all
that in order, and then we can come back

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with the board and
>> come back.

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» In my opinion, if you don't have that
done in 30 days, then I I would

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recommend going on with the demolition.
>> Okay,

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» fair enough.
>> Fair enough.

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» Fair enough.
>> Talk about having it arranged within 30

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days or having the inspections and
everything completed within 30 days. I

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would have the inspections completed and
a timeline of construction

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» presented to the board within 30 days
>> presented with. Okay.

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» All right. And then the building
inspector is also going to include all

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the electrical construction.
>> Yes. And that and that'll that's on your

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paper that I gave you. Uh yes, the
electrical plumbing, HBAC.

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» Yeah. Uh we've got a general contractor
that came in, inspected all the uh the

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like the windows and the doors and and
all that stuff and and so again, as soon

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as we get the approval, uh we're going
to take care of all that.

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» Yeah, we have people lined up ready to
go. We just need to know what needs to

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be done.
>> I guess one more question and that is

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Chief where as far as do you know been
any issues vandalisms or attempted

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break? Our officers haven't said
anything or haven't seen anything.

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» Okay. I just want to make sure the
building stays secure.

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» As far as I know, it's been pretty quiet
lately.

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» I'll make a motion to approve the
request and stay the demolition

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um for 30-day period.
Is that sufficient? and that give

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everybody sufficient time to
>> and and if the board approves that

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tonight in 30 days when the Pomemeroys
have provided that information um you

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00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:47,440
can take the advice of the building
commissioner whether to extend the stay

427
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,720
or proceed with demolition at that time.
Okay, I'll second that motion.

428
00:35:52,480 --> 00:36:00,520
» Okay, we have a motion second. Any
further discussion?

429
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,520
Yes, sir.

430
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:09,440
» Randy Longer, a Baker Street Councilman,
District 4. Um, first thing I want you

431
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:12,160
to think about as we delay this, the
contractor is probably not going to hold

432
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,920
the price, which means we're going to
have to reappropriate or send this back

433
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,400
out for quote well as well for
demolition. So, we need to consider

434
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,720
that. And then secondly, this would be
my district and I will not support. So,

435
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,720
just
Any

436
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,480
further discussion?

437
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:38,960
» Hearing none. Roll call vote, please.
>> Council call.

438
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,160
» Yes.
>> Ecker,

439
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:41,359
» yes.
>> Milner,

440
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,560
» yes.
>> Maro,

441
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,599
» yes.
>> Mayor Lenberger,

442
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:51,250
» yes.
>> Okay, very good. Good luck.

443
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:54,570
» Thank you very much.
[Applause]

444
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:01,599
Where am I at?
Okay, we circle back up. Dennis, you

445
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:07,800
have anything else this evening?
>> Um,

446
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:07,800
I see that there was a

447
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:15,560
another property at 5:16. I didn't know
if you wanted to address that now or

448
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:23,839
» Yeah, I think that might be a pro. While
we've got you on my speak before my

449
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:28,880
phone dies, um we're going to jump I
know we're going out of order tonight.

450
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Um we're gonna jump down to the 516
Pennsylvania. Jerry Hex in the audience.

451
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:40,560
Um Jerry, would you like to come on up?
Dennis, give us the lowdown, please.

452
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,119
Well,
>> um

453
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:47,040
» you know what he's here for.
They I I sent I didn't know if I was

454
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:52,800
going to be able to make it tonight. So,
I sent a timeline for their property. I

455
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:59,280
received a complaint on this on June
20th. Sent the order out on June 25th,

456
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:06,960
certified letter.
I got the mail

457
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:15,640
returned back to me on July 28th as
unclaimed.

458
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,640
um publicized it August 8th.

459
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:26,320
That gave the owner 30 days to comply.
On September 8th, I brought it to the

460
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:30,520
board and
asked to issue a fine.

461
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:36,880
And that's where we're at.
>> And the fine was how much again?

462
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,560
» $2500.
>> $2,500. Right.

463
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:51,560
And that point is now due. And I think
Jerry, you're here to This is what it

464
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,560
looks like.

465
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Why don't you let us take those? We'll
pass. Thank you.

466
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:14,560
That's the other note underneath. It's
well supported. The stringer is well

467
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:22,320
supported against the beam and it's
supported against the house.

468
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:28,079
Now these stringers I replaced one with
the last 10 years. I take it down, got a

469
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:33,280
new stringer, put it back in place. I
replaced some treads

470
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:37,440
in the last year
and I put new spindles up on the railing

471
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:44,800
of
uh this past year.

472
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:51,040
I don't I don't know the process that I
just got the letter just uh late August

473
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:56,160
in the mail.
Certified letters is hard to get for me

474
00:39:53,280 --> 00:40:02,320
because I work in Elcart and it's a post
office box and I'm not there during

475
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:05,680
uh post office hours.
So,

476
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:10,320
um
I'm a little surprised to get this

477
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:15,280
penalty. I I hadn't had that letter very
long, so I haven't got a grasp of what's

478
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:20,599
going on. But if it explain to me what
what what I need to fix, I'll be happy

479
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,599
to fix it.

480
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:33,000
There's no members or number on that
that's broken at this point.

481
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,599
» So, who took these pictures?
>> What' you say about this?

482
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:47,240
» Who took these pictures?
>> I took

483
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:47,240
my cell phone.

484
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:56,240
So, I know that uh Dennis put this in
the memo he wrote to the board, but uh I

485
00:40:52,960 --> 00:41:03,680
just want to reiterate the procedural
matters that that got us here. So,

486
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:09,440
Dennis issued an order to take action on
June 25th.

487
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:13,400
Um the order to take action issued under
Indiana code 3679585

488
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:22,800
um allows for the property owner to
appeal the decision within 10 day or

489
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:28,560
request an appeal within 10 days. If
they do not request the appeal within 10

490
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:36,000
days, it um automatically becomes a
final order. However, um it is required

491
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:42,960
to deliver that order by certified mail.
Uh Dennis sent the certified mail. It

492
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:50,720
was postmarked on June 26th. Uh a first
notice was delivered on July 1st. A

493
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:56,720
second notice was delivered on July 10th
and the recipient Jerry Hec uh it was I

494
00:41:54,319 --> 00:42:04,560
should note that it was addressed to PO
box 181 um in I believe that's in

495
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:08,160
Lakeville. It's covered Le Paz uh which
is the address that is on the tax

496
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:18,800
records for the property. So it's the
only address uh we have to send notice

497
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:25,359
to. Um it was returned on July 28th
because Jerry Hec refused to claim that

498
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:31,200
certified letter. So procedurally uh by
law we are required to issue a notice.

499
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:37,359
If it's not if it cannot be delivered by
certified mail then it must be

500
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:43,359
published. So um it was published in the
pilot news

501
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:48,319
as required by law and no action was
taken. So the reason for issuance of the

502
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:55,440
fine is because more than 10 days passed
after that publication date and no

503
00:42:52,720 --> 00:43:01,920
action was taken, no contact was made to
the building commissioner to notify him

504
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:08,720
that uh um any substantial action had
been taken. So, because of the owner's

505
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:14,560
refusal to accept the certified mail and
failure or refusal to take action as

506
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:20,079
required by the notice to take action,
uh that allows for the issuance of a

507
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:26,319
fine. And um I don't want to speak for
Dennis, but I believe one of the reasons

508
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:30,079
that he requested the maximum fine is
because this is not the first time a

509
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:34,560
similar situation has arisen with the
same property owner. um on another

510
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:39,440
property on Leaport Street. Uh last year
we had the same issue where the owner

511
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:45,359
refused to accept certified mail notice
of an order to take action. So um

512
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:49,520
because of the repeated violations and
the refusal to accept delivery of the

513
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:54,560
certified mail, Dennis requested the
find which you approved and that's the

514
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,560
reason we're here.

515
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:06,880
Regarding the porch street,
I paint staintedly poured a concrete uh

516
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:09,440
cap on a porch when I discussed that
with you

517
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:15,920
» and you said you were going to inspect
that and see that approval or not. I did

518
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,720
not hear anything from that.
>> So, it's not like I didn't take action.

519
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,359
» I wouldn't have told you that was my
decision.

520
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:25,040
» I don't know whose decision it is. Uh,
it wouldn't have been mine. No, I don't

521
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:30,160
remember that. Uh, have you seen what
they were currently doing to that? Wait.

522
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:33,680
» Yeah, they uh totally gutted the place
and built a porch. Put porch on top.

523
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:39,640
» Right.
>> Yeah, it looks nice. I was got different

524
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,640
opinion. I don't

525
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:51,520
I want to make it right.
I uh I've repaired that stairs numerous

526
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:58,000
times. Uh, all I want to know is what do
I need to do?

527
00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:01,760
» Well, you can take that up with Dennis
offline. He didn't unless he wants to

528
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:07,680
get into it tonight. We're here to
decide whether you've

529
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:12,400
followed the procedures.
Uh, and the fine is really, am I right?

530
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,839
I mean, that's what we're here to decide
right now is whether to wave the fine or

531
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:19,680
not wave the fine.
>> Right. The issue really is not uh what

532
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:24,160
does and does not need to be repaired
and that is contained in the order to

533
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:28,480
take action. Um
the the request is to wave the fine that

534
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:33,920
you already approved and as I said the
fine was issued for non-compliance

535
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:40,960
because uh the certified mail was
refused and the notice was issued by

536
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:45,920
publication and no action was taken. So
technically this is not an appeal of the

537
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:50,960
fine because there is no statutory
provision for an appeal. Um it's just a

538
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:58,280
request for you to reconsider the fine.
So it's up to you whether to um take any

539
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:58,280
action or to let it stand.

540
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:10,800
I'll make a motion that we let the um
twine stand as

541
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:17,280
presented.
>> A second.

542
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:20,680
» Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
further discussion?

543
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,800
Hearing none. Roll call vote, please.
>> Councilman Cop,

544
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,880
» yes.
>> Ecker,

545
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,160
» yes. Milner.
>> Yes.

546
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,240
» Maro.
>> Yes.

547
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,400
» Mayor Lenberger.
>> Yes.

548
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:37,599
» Stands.
>> I I can't hear it.

549
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,040
» The fine stands.
>> It stands.

550
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:42,160
» Yep.
>> Okay.

551
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:46,960
» And now I would find out from Dennis
what you need to do to get it corrected.

552
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:55,839
» Um
would be would it do me any any favors

553
00:46:49,359 --> 00:47:00,240
if I uh wish to t uh deny the violation
writing? That would be in a court of

554
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:06,400
law, wouldn't it?
>> What are you asking?

555
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:10,480
» If I could issue a deny denying the
violation.

556
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:16,160
» Um, you can request an appeal within 10
days of the issuance of the order. We're

557
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:21,079
well past 10 days. So, by statute,
you're too late to request any appeal.

558
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:30,319
[Applause]
So the decision is you're not going to

559
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:35,440
reverse it,
>> Jerry. It's unsafe. It was unsafe. Comes

560
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:41,280
down to if I have to send a first
responder up those steps in gear, they

561
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:45,920
are not safe. And that's what I have to
think about. I'm sorry, but that's just

562
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:49,160
the way it is.
>> Thank you.

563
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Where am I?
Gosh, we're getting out of order

564
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:04,319
tonight. Um,
yep. Wait, are we out of order? Where am

565
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:11,079
I at?
>> All right. Uh, so, city attorney, you're

566
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:11,079
up

567
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:20,960
again. Um, okay. So the item I have for
you tonight is a partnership agreement,

568
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:25,760
proposed partnership agreement with
Future Habitat, Inc. So the first thing

569
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:32,559
I want to explain is that Future Habitat
Inc. has absolutely no affiliation with

570
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:36,800
Habitat for Humanity. And that's been a
point of confusion just because of of

571
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:41,520
the name. U they are not affiliated with
either the national Habitat for Humanity

572
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:47,599
or our local Marsh County Habitat for
Humanity. They are a separate private

573
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:53,920
development company. Um they're actually
fairly new. They have brought together

574
00:48:50,720 --> 00:49:02,079
um experts from various areas to form
the company um that is proposing to

575
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:08,000
redevelop distress properties. Um I've
met with several of the partners and

576
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:12,000
different representatives via video
conference. Um they are all over the

577
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:16,480
country and all over the world actually.
and they have a lot of experience. Uh

578
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:21,280
but this is a new entity that they
formed to do this. They are interested.

579
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:25,839
We were connected earlier this year.
We've had several discussions with them.

580
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:31,520
Um they're very interested in doing a
couple of projects in the city. They're

581
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:38,240
um their plan is to do sustainable
development to create affordable

582
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:43,200
workforce type housing uh developments.
and they're specifically um

583
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:47,680
they're they're looking at a couple of
opportunities, but the one that is

584
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:54,800
farthest along would be a mixeduse
development at the property on Kingston

585
00:49:51,440 --> 00:50:00,319
Street, the former Dave Rays Grocery, GL
Perry, depending on uh what era you

586
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:05,119
remember best. Um
they are working with the property owner

587
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:10,319
to develop a a project for that
location. It would be, like I said,

588
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:17,520
mixed use with some commercial space as
well as housing, both owner occupied

589
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:21,839
condos and rental properties. Um, the
preliminary design showed somewhere

590
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:28,800
around 80 units, but that can change as
they uh fine-tune their plans.

591
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:35,200
as they're looking to proceed with the
planning for that, they've requested

592
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:40,640
this agreement with the city and it
really provides them with a couple of

593
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:44,480
assurances. The first is that the city
is willing to work with them that we're

594
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:48,800
not going to put up roadblocks. We're
not going to try to stop them. We've

595
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:53,119
assured them that uh if they can put
together a viable project that the city

596
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:57,839
would be very happy to work with them
and try to find a way to make it

597
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,839
successful. Uh the other thing this
agreement does is it protects their

598
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:06,319
intellectual property. They want to make
sure that if they develop designs for

599
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:11,119
the property that uh those designs don't
get handed over to another developer or

600
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:18,559
shopped around to find someone else to
build it. Um it it's a little more than

601
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:22,800
we would normally even than is normally
even requested at this stage in the

602
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:29,599
development, but they have a standup
procedure because they do work in many

603
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:33,280
different uh jurisdictions. So they
presented this agreement. I've been

604
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:39,280
through it and made some pretty
significant edits to it to make it uh

605
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:45,040
palatable for the city and also to be in
compliance with Indiana open records

606
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:51,680
laws. So, they've asked to present this
agreement and uh we're asking for your

607
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:57,119
approval to uh be able to partner and
move forward with Future Habitat, Inc.

608
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:03,839
And I know the agreement is long and
there's a lot of boilerplate legal

609
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:08,000
language in it. Um that's because they
normally have their agreements with

610
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:11,920
property owners and private entities. So
they need a lot more protections in

611
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:17,040
those areas. We took that same form of
agreement and like I said, I edited it

612
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:22,160
to make it appropriate for a municipal
agreement.

613
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:26,000
And this is exclusive just for the
habitat.

614
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,240
» The agreement.
>> So the agreement would be specifically

615
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:36,240
between the city of Plymouth and Future
Habitat Inc. But it is a nonexclusive

616
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:40,000
agreement. It does not give them any
exclusive rights either to certain

617
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:44,960
properties or certain types of
developments within the city. um that

618
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:48,960
particular property. They my
understanding is that they already have

619
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:53,520
an agreement with the owner and the city
would not have any direct involvement in

620
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:58,000
that. Now, as the project develops,
there may be some other

621
00:52:56,079 --> 00:53:01,440
collaboration with the city, but as of
right now, there's nothing specific to

622
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:06,640
any property in this agreement.
>> And just so I'm clear, it doesn't mean

623
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:13,200
that uh Mr. Burgerer could get one of
these two for his plans not to be given

624
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:16,960
out. I mean, I I guess I'm just never
seen this just totally lost and there's

625
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:22,800
a lot of geography that at this point
don't understand it. Sorry.

626
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:28,240
So, maybe the best way to simplify it is
what this agreement really says is that

627
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:33,920
we're not going to get three steps down
the road toward this project with Future

628
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:39,760
Habitat and then secretly take their
plans to Mr. Burgerer and ask him if he

629
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:43,520
could step in and take over. Um, if Mr.
Burgerer asked for the same type of

630
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:48,880
agreement. I think it would also be
appropriate if he had any concerns that

631
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:53,440
the city would might do that to him.
>> So, this is just basically a disclosure

632
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,720
when they bring something in that we're
not going to give it out to anybody.

633
00:53:55,359 --> 00:54:00,720
» Yeah. We're not going to pull the rug
out from under them and try to push them

634
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:07,119
out.
>> Now, I I I think that Mr. Burgerer knows

635
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:11,599
the city well enough that he trusts us
without having this in writing. Um, like

636
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:16,640
I said, Future Habitat is a new company.
They don't know us and we don't know

637
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:20,480
them yet. So, uh, everybody is kind of
proceeding with caution until we know

638
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:26,240
for sure.
>> Well, now I can see Mr. Burgerer

639
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:31,119
starting to request something like this.
>> Now he's got the idea.

640
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:34,319
» It It is a public record. So, yes, if
you'd like a copy, be happy to give you

641
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:39,440
a copy. I
>> I have a couple questions.

642
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:47,280
» Sure. Uh one is the termination clause
which seemed uh very one way. Uh there

643
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:52,319
wasn't any termination of the agreement
unless there's a breach uh of the

644
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:58,319
contract.
Does this go for any pro uh property

645
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:06,680
that they buy in Plymouth that we're
going to do whatever they do want to do?

646
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,680
So

647
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:18,400
yes, the the termination clause or the
the contract itself would apply to any

648
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:23,280
projects that Future Habitat would seek
to undertake in the city. Um to be

649
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:27,760
honest, I wasn't too concerned about the
termination clause because there's

650
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:32,960
really no obligation in this contract
for the city. Um there there are no

651
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:37,760
deliverables. There's no action required
by the city. So

652
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:42,720
» we're agreeing to give them a fast
track. Sounds like

653
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:50,720
» well actually their fast track is longer
than what is required by statute. So

654
00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:57,920
I I guess you know we ran into issues
with that property with the prior owner

655
00:55:53,839 --> 00:56:05,200
because they didn't comply to what the
uh BVA asked them to do. uh they wanted

656
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:10,720
to take some shortcuts. I just feel
maybe that that we're losing some of our

657
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:17,359
quality control
uh with this agreement. Uh I just think

658
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:25,119
it needs to be vetted more. I I ran a a
better business uh report and there were

659
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:30,880
several complaints about this company.
Um have no idea what their credit rating

660
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:36,720
is. their Facebook page looked great,
but that was their Facebook page. Um,

661
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:42,480
these these apartments, are they going
to be subsidized?

662
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:46,720
» So, the the project is still being
developed. What they've presented to us

663
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:52,880
would that they is that they would be
market rate apartments. Um they asked us

664
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:56,880
what price range would be most
beneficial to the city and the

665
00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:03,119
information we provided them was based
on the housing studies both the local

666
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:07,760
one and the Mayog housing study and we
explained to them some of the other

667
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:14,559
projects we've looked at um specifically
targeting 80 to 120% of AMI which would

668
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:21,599
be a standard workforce level market
rate housing uh that is the range that

669
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:27,920
they are also interested in um we've not
seen any details. So if if those issues

670
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:33,440
were to be presented, this does not
guarantee them any sort of zoning

671
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:38,559
approval. So they would still have to go
through a variance process. Uh the

672
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:45,119
property right now is not zoned for
multifamily and we don't have a zoning

673
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:50,640
category for mixed use. So the only
commitment in this agreement is that we

674
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:55,440
would assist them in applying for that
zoning approval. We can't guarantee, you

675
00:57:53,680 --> 00:58:00,319
can't guarantee
any zoning approval. That has to go

676
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:05,480
through the BCA, which is a uh
independent quasi judicial board.

677
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:13,119
So none of that can be waved and it's
certainly not waved by this agreement.

678
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:16,880
So, I guess I still don't understand why
we need the agreement if they could,

679
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,599
they've already entered into a purchase
agreement.

680
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:23,440
» Um, they don't have a purchase
agreement. They have a development

681
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:27,040
agreement with the property owner and
that is a private agreement. I have not

682
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:33,040
seen the agreement. I don't know the
details. I just was told that they have

683
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:38,799
an agreement in place. Um
there's a what's what's really contained

684
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:42,720
in this partnership agreement is an
understanding that we will cooperate

685
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:49,760
with them if they can continue to
develop this project that uh we will

686
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:54,640
cooperate and help them seek the
necessary approvals.

687
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:58,680
» No financial commitment on our part of
>> Absolutely no financial commitment.

688
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:20,400
and and to some of your concerns, Dave,
really this is an unknown entity. Future

689
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:24,799
Habitat is a very new organization. Uh
they don't have a track record that they

690
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:30,400
can point to and we're very aware of
that. Um, Tai has been involved in the

691
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:36,000
discussions. Uh, Dennis Manuel has been
involved in the discussions. Uh, the

692
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:41,040
Facebook page looks great. What they've
told us they want to do sounds great for

693
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:45,280
the city. Uh, we don't know yet if
they'll be able to deliver. We're just

694
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:49,680
saying that uh, we're willing to work
with them and try to develop those

695
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:53,520
plans.
>> I still don't understand. We work with

696
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:55,839
Kevin and we don't have an agreement
like

697
00:59:53,839 --> 01:00:00,079
» Kevin's never asked for an agreement.
>> Yeah.

698
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:04,799
» And and Kevin knows us and I I hope he
trusts us.

699
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:09,839
» Well, we can take him to the bank on the
support down there. Things change from

700
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:14,480
what we originally voted on. That just
scared me that we get that plan to make

701
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:19,760
sure it doesn't change in the middle of
things if we sign this.

702
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:25,520
So there would have to be a plan before
they can move forward with anything. If

703
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:30,480
they ask for any uh um financial
incentives, then certainly you would

704
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:35,520
have to review the plans. If they ask
for uh zoning variance, which they would

705
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:40,400
need for what they've described, then
they would have to present plans. Um if

706
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:46,720
they ask for a building permit, they
would have to present plans. So, we

707
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:52,640
still have all of the normal processes.
Review by the TRC, approval by the

708
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:56,880
building commissioner, approval by the
board of zoning appeals andor the plan

709
01:00:55,359 --> 01:01:00,200
commission depending on the procedure
they request.

710
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:08,720
So this is market rate but uh this would
not have a

711
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:14,240
competitive situation or a negative
impact on habitat for humanity. Is it

712
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:16,559
the way this is understanding?
I mean, we're talking about future

713
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:22,480
habitat, right?
>> Future habitat is not The only thing

714
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:26,880
this has to do with Habitat for Humanity
is

715
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:30,559
both entities happen to use the word
Habitat in their name.

716
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:36,640
» Understand that. I just want to make
sure that there's no step on toes here.

717
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:41,839
Good work here.
>> What's your thoughts on this?

718
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:48,480
» Well, I'm going off my advice from my
attorney, but I do know that

719
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:52,640
What's there's an absolute need for
housing in our communities and it's

720
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:57,040
everywhere and we have a willing
developer that has shown a really strong

721
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:02,720
interest and they've got a couple other
projects that they've tossed by uh that

722
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:08,480
doesn't have much bearing on this but um
he also is the gentleman that presented

723
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,559
the um
R2 is it

724
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,480
» it's R squar
>> R squ

725
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:16,000
» sustainable solution
>> for the aquatics center. Um, I can't

726
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,440
think of his name right now.
>> Tony Rack.

727
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:23,799
» Tony Rack. So, you all met him. He was
at a meeting. Um,

728
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:36,480
I feel like, uh, based off my legal that
it be a safe bet for doesn't scare me.

729
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:39,760
Um, the private developer there, have
you seen any of the buildings or

730
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:45,040
anything that they're proposing?
>> Yeah, I saw some of them on on Facebook.

731
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:48,520
Okay,
>> they look nice.

732
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:57,920
» We have Mr. Buyers in the audience. Uh,
do you are you familiar with this group?

733
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:03,079
» Never heard of this.
>> Yeah, they

734
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:03,079
» he wouldn't have any reason.

735
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:11,640
» I just don't think it's necessary
to do a development.

736
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,480
It's a contract.
>> I mean, you risk the chance of I don't

737
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:22,079
know. You think they would back out of
the deal if we don't agree to this?

738
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:29,039
» I'm not sure that uh they would proceed
without some sort of assurance in place.

739
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:35,520
And I I think that's just a a routine
process for them. Um

740
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:40,160
like I said the
they they work in different

741
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:44,960
jurisdictions with different
requirements everywhere. So they're

742
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:51,200
looking for a standard
check box that uh they have compliance

743
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:56,799
with the city and cooperation.
>> Feels like to me that it's probably

744
01:03:54,079 --> 01:04:00,559
something that their investor pool
requires.

745
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:06,799
So, whoever's doing the investing
probably wants this box checked. Um,

746
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:09,799
that's what it sounds like to me. But
it's

747
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:19,200
Would you some Would you like somebody
You want to have somebody else take a

748
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:25,680
look at this a little closer? We can
>> I just think they need to be vetted.

749
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:30,319
I mean, I just looked at it after the
packet came in Thursday. I didn't even

750
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:35,039
at this.
>> We we did take some stuff out of it that

751
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:39,440
was original. I mean, you may change.
>> I would like to see a a termination

752
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:45,839
where we can get out of the agreement if
we want to. For one,

753
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:51,839
» we can go back to them with that as a a
requested edit. Is there anything

754
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:56,880
specific that you'd like to see there?
>> A termination? Uh

755
01:04:54,559 --> 01:05:02,119
» what would you like it to say? Well, you
can

756
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:02,119
» I mean I I

757
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:11,599
termination from either party and give
it so many days. That's kind of what

758
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,680
what I'm used to seeing.
>> I don't want to enter into something

759
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,920
that's
>> okay.

760
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:23,599
» Even if we add different termination
language to it, the really the primary

761
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:28,880
part of this agreement which is
protection of intellectual property is

762
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:32,760
going to survive that termination.
>> I don't have it be

763
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:43,280
» I just think we should either
take no action or table it and and do

764
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:47,400
some more research on the on the
company. Um

765
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,440
why don't we do um

766
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:59,119
why don't you just share the concerns
that the board's unfamiliar with this

767
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:06,160
contract and that they're taking a
little bit of caution and totally agree

768
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:11,760
with the uh non-disclosure of
proprietary information. I mean you

769
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:17,039
agree with all that right? Uh totally
agree with that. Any other intellectual

770
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:22,160
pro anything like that kind of stuff if
they can word it more

771
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:26,079
» towards that.
>> Yeah.

772
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:32,920
» And then same time we don't want to turn
them away either if they're

773
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,920
» I'll make a motion. We table request.

774
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,720
» Did you say
>> I'm sorry. Yes.

775
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:42,240
» Sorry for
you.

776
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:46,319
» I know. Yeah. All right. We have a
motion and a second. Any further

777
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:48,880
discussion?
>> Can I say something? Can I ask a

778
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:53,440
question?
>> If you guys sign that agreement, does

779
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:56,799
that give them blanket authority to
greenlight any project they decide to

780
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:00,960
buy?
>> No, it it doesn't give them any

781
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,559
authority. Um, no development can be
done without all of the other approvals

782
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:09,280
that are required by any other
development. And it is very specifically

783
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:14,319
a non-exclusive agreement. So, it
doesn't give them any rights to shut out

784
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:19,920
competitors.
>> It's simply it's basically an assurance

785
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:25,920
to them that the city does want them to
proceed with uh trying to develop a

786
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:28,960
project and that we won't take their
designs and shop them around other

787
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:32,480
developers.
>> So, it's basically an NDA

788
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:37,599
» more or less.
It's actually less than an NDA because

789
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:42,640
it uh it does specifically reference
Indiana law for open records. So, you

790
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:48,000
know,
except very limited circumstances, we

791
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:51,520
can't even maintain confidentiality of
the information. All we can do is notify

792
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,440
them that the records have been
requested and we have to follow state

793
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:58,319
law.
>> They've been pretty reasonable on

794
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,319
everything else you've asked them to
change in it. Yeah,

795
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:03,599
» this would be
>> Yeah, I' I've had some some great

796
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:09,280
conversations with their corporate
attorney about uh Indiana law and what's

797
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,599
required. So,
>> all right. So,

798
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:14,720
» have they done other projects in the
state of Indiana?

799
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:18,880
» Uh, this would be the first one in
Indiana. They actually have not

800
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:24,480
completed this entity has not completed
any projects yet. They have some

801
01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:31,520
projects underway in Florida and Texas.
Um like I said the the partners of the

802
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:34,640
entity come from uh long industry
backgrounds but uh

803
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:37,839
» all in their own niche
>> right

804
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:43,279
» so like the arts square found
>> yeah Tony R is also the president of R

805
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:48,640
squared sustainable solutions um I
believe they installed the solar array

806
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:53,920
on top of the ree theater and they're
currently um in discussions with the

807
01:08:50,880 --> 01:09:01,120
aquatic center to try to identify some
uh um energy saving opportunities there.

808
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:08,679
So Tony is president of that company.
>> He is the chief sustainability officer

809
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:08,679
for Future Habitat Inc.

810
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:19,359
» And then they've got other specialists.
There are experts in various areas from

811
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:23,920
engineering and design to um zoning and
land use that have come together from

812
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:27,400
their back different backgrounds to form
this new entity.

813
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:37,920
» Yeah. Um these are manufactured in a
factory setting. That's the way I

814
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:42,239
understand it. Um
um

815
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:46,400
kind of a
Uh and then they're brought in and

816
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:50,319
stacked and I think even Mr. Burgers
talked about something like that too.

817
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:55,600
But uh
and then they've even talked about find

818
01:09:53,440 --> 01:10:01,440
a place to manufacture looking for
space. I mean so

819
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:06,159
I think that's we got a motion and we
have a second. Is there any more?

820
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:09,600
» I think that's a good plan. We can
>> Yeah, we can certainly

821
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:12,480
» go back to them and and
>> something we're not have conversations

822
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:16,719
with
>> any members of the board about specific

823
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,320
concerns you have and what you'd like to
see in the agreement.

824
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,120
» Check it out.
>> Take it back to them.

825
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:27,000
» All in favor say I.
>> I. Those opposed? Nay.

826
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,000
» Okay.

827
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:34,800
» That's all I have right now.
>> Okay.

828
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:38,760
Lyn,
good evening.

829
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,760
» Good evening.

830
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:49,120
So,
we have before you resolution 2025

831
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:52,560
11167, a resolution of the Plymouth
Board of Public Works and Safety

832
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:56,520
Committee establishing the date and time
for Halloween 2025.

833
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:09,120
» So, be on Halloween.
>> It'll be on Halloween.

834
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:09,120
» Do you need me to read the resolution?

835
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,440
Didn't you do a funny one last year? She
did.

836
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,560
» Well, this one is kind of
>> Let read it.

837
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:19,040
» This one's This one's different this
year.

838
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:24,080
» Okay.
>> Whereas the city of Plymouth

839
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:28,719
acknowledges the rich for folklore,
mysterious whispers, and spectral

840
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:35,120
sightings
that have long haunted the heartland.

841
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:41,360
Whereas Halloween offers the perfect
occasion to honor our ghostly heritage,

842
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:46,960
celebrate the supernatural, and invite
residents to rival in the eerie beauty

843
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:52,080
of the season.
Now therefore, be it result that the

844
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:58,880
spirits of our community are free to
roam the neighborhoods on Friday,

845
01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:04,320
October 31st from 5 to 7:00 p.m.
Be it further resolved that the PL that

846
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:11,120
Plymouth shall embrace its haunted heart
of with pride, transforming Halloween

847
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:17,360
into a celebration of mystery, memory,
and community spirit where every shadow

848
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:20,520
tells a story and every whisper might be
a ghost.

849
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:31,840
» I like it. I like it.
>> I'll entertain a motion. moved. We have

850
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:35,679
a motion and a second. Any further
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor

851
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:41,760
say I. I.
>> Oppos? Nay. Very good.

852
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:47,840
» Okay.
Now we are down to requests.

853
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:51,239
» You have
two ground.

854
01:12:52,000 --> 01:13:00,480
» We have a request this evening to place
a dumpster at 520 East Street. actually

855
01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:07,640
on the Liberty Street side um by Steve
Glosski. And Steve, would you like to

856
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,640
come up here and discuss this?

857
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:13,400
» No relation.

858
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:20,560
» No blood.
>> Good evening, Steve Gorski, 805 Baker

859
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:26,880
Street. Thanks for your time tonight. My
amazing wife and I are in the process of

860
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:31,520
purchasing 520 East Garrow Street. It's
just down the road at the corner of

861
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:36,640
Liberty in Garrow Street. It's the pink
house and we're requesting to be able to

862
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:41,679
put a dumpster along Liberty Street.
It'll be at least a minimum of 75 ft

863
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:48,800
away from the corner of Liberty and
Garrow Street, the intersection there.

864
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:54,800
The house, we need this uh the driveway
will put a 30 yard container in it. The

865
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:59,360
um driveway is not long enough and it
would we're going to need a 30 yard

866
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:05,920
container. The house has got a lot of
debris in it. Put it nicely. So, we

867
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:11,199
request to be able to put a it'll be a
30-yard trash hopper on the west side of

868
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:18,840
Liberty Street approximately at a
minimum of 75 ft from the corner of

869
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:18,840
Liberty and Geral Street.

870
01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:25,400
» Thank you. Yeah. and it will be for no
more than seven days.

871
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:32,080
So, we're going to have to work hard.
>> Make a motion we approve the request.

872
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,840
» Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion to second. Any

873
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:37,600
further discussion? Hearing none. All in
favor say I.

874
01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:39,679
» I.
>> Those opposed? Nay.

875
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:43,880
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thanks for doing that.

876
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:54,000
» All right. Our final request this
evening

877
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:58,640
um comes from
Laura Man from Ocean and City

878
01:14:55,679 --> 01:15:03,120
Coordinator requesting the closure of
State Road 17/M

879
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:11,280
Street from the Fork Street to Adam
Street for the annual lighting holiday

880
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:16,320
parade from 6 p.m. until 6:30 p.m. An
INDOT permit has already been secured.

881
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:19,880
The date of this event will be Saturday,
November 29th.

882
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:27,440
» Sorry. Christmas tree lighting ceremony
at the end of all that.

883
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,000
» Thank you.
>> Second.

884
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:33,120
» I have a motion a second. All in favor
or any further discussion?

885
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,000
All
>> in favor say I.

886
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,560
» I.
>> Those opposed? Nay.

887
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:49,520
Okay. Somebody like to make a motion on
the approval of claims, please move.

888
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,760
» Second.
>> Okay. We have a motion, a second. Any

889
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:57,880
further discussion? All in favor say I.
I.

890
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:57,880
» Those opposed? Nay.

891
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,640
» Acceptance of communications.

892
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:06,000
» Motion.
>> Second.

893
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:11,199
» Any further discussion?
>> All in favor say I. I.

894
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:15,040
» Those opposed? Nay. And now number 10.
>> Very good. We'll take about two or three

895
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:18,360
minutes and then we'll get right into
our next meeting.

896
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:42,639
like to call to order the September 22
22 22nd 2025 U common council meeting.

897
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,760
Council member,
>> join me in prayer, please. Gracious God,

898
01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:48,719
we
can't thank you enough for the

899
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:53,040
opportunity to come together tonight to
discuss the needs of this great city. We

900
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:57,199
continue to seek your guidance and your
wisdom and everything that we do, not

901
01:22:55,199 --> 01:23:00,320
only at this level, but also within the
departments and the department heads and

902
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:04,560
the employees that work within those
departments. We ask that you continue to

903
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:09,040
provide safety, make them aware of one
another, and look out for one another.

904
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:14,080
Lord, we continue to pray for not only
the city, but the state of Indiana, the

905
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:18,800
country, and the world. We continue to
seek your guidance in all that we do.

906
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:22,400
These things we ask in your name. Amen.
>> Amen.

907
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:27,600
» Thank you. Join me in the pledge of
allegiance.

908
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:33,760
» I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

909
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:39,440
for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible with liberty and

910
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:42,730
justice for all.
>> Thank you.

911
01:23:41,679 --> 01:23:46,080
Here
[Applause]

912
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:49,719
we go.
>> Roll call, please.

913
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:52,800
» Call
>> here.

914
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:54,080
» Hecker
>> here.

915
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:55,360
» Wall
>> here.

916
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,400
» Water
>> here.

917
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,600
» Builder
>> here.

918
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:58,800
» Maro
>> here.

919
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:02,880
» Star
>> here.

920
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:06,000
» Thank you. I entertain a motion to
approve the minutes from our September

921
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,800
8th meet meeting.
>> Move to approve the minutes.

922
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:13,120
» Second.
>> Have a motion and a second. Any further

923
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:14,239
discussion hearing? None. All in favor
say I.

924
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:18,520
» I.
>> Those opposed? Nay. Thank you.

925
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:27,120
» All right. Anything from the board this
evening?

926
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:34,080
» Your honor, if I may. Um
about uh late last year I reached out to

927
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:39,600
Patriot Rail regarding the rail crossing
on Lake Avenue and we were given a

928
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:43,760
initially a commitment that it would be
done by the end of the second quarter

929
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:48,080
which would have been June 30th. That
has come and gone obviously but during

930
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:53,679
that time I have been in contact
consistently with them and thought we

931
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:58,080
were going to have something in July.
Then we got into some issues. You have

932
01:24:56,480 --> 01:25:00,480
to have this approval, that approval
from the state. You have to get a hold

933
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:04,400
of a flagger. You got to do this. You
got to do that. A lot of things I

934
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:09,920
learned. Uh, and I reached out to Jim
Marquette for some assistance. And Jim

935
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:13,199
has been very helpful as well. Um, and I
followed up again today. I've been doing

936
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:17,600
this about every two to three weeks just
to let them know that we know it needs

937
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:23,120
to be done and that they had committed
to having it done. And it was through

938
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:26,639
the uh media that helped raise this
awareness as you recall and get this

939
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:32,080
thing moving. So, first of all, I want
to thank uh AM1050 and the Plymouth

940
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:38,000
Pilot News as well for helping our cause
here. But I the latest update I have is

941
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:42,560
I received a a email from a gentleman by
the name of Allan Woodyard

942
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:46,080
uh with Patriot Rail and basically what
it's reading it says I've received a

943
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:50,400
quote looking for updates and the latest
one was I received a quote for the

944
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:56,080
flagging detour plans. So that box is
checked. However,

945
01:25:52,960 --> 01:26:01,920
however, INDOT requires that utility
locates be handled via their portal. to

946
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:06,639
request such locates. We are required to
register with INDOT and as of the last

947
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:10,719
time I checked this morning, our
application to register has not been

948
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:15,120
approved. Uh they are ready to complete
this as soon as the utility locate item

949
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:22,560
is addressed. So this is the latest we
have on this project. Uh I know it seems

950
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:26,800
cumbersome. It is. But nonetheless, uh,
the mayor's given me the okay to

951
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:32,560
continue to pursue, continue to be a
pain or a thorn or however you want to

952
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:36,480
describe it. And I will admit to them
I'm disappointed. I told them I'm

953
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:43,280
disappointed that it's not done, but we
are going to continue to see that we get

954
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:47,760
this accomplished. And so, uh, I just
your support in this, the public

955
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:52,000
support, encouragement to to them to
end, whatever it takes, Jack, Jordan,

956
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:56,560
whoever we need to help get this project
across the finish line would be great

957
01:26:54,560 --> 01:27:01,360
uh, greatly appreciated. I'm hoping we
can get this thing done in October, Jim.

958
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:05,520
That's my hope. Uh, we get into
November, I know the asphalt companies

959
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:10,639
start shutting down. So, we need to stay
on top of this. We need to continue to

960
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:13,199
pursue this and I will continue to do
that. But I appreciate the mayor's

961
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:17,760
support.
>> I appreciate you staying at it with them

962
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:23,719
because that's what it takes. And
>> Jimmy, have you heard of that?

963
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,719
» That after

964
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:33,600
» after reading that email too, that one
kind of threw me on the whole locations

965
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:36,800
through the portal because I mean locate
through 811. Then I got thinking, we

966
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:42,400
were talking about it a little this
afternoon, maybe it's for INDOTs because

967
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:45,760
I don't believe they're a member of 811.
So I don't know if to request INDOT to

968
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:48,960
come look at something, make sure they
have nothing if they have a portal for

969
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,679
that. I don't know. That one was kind of
threw me when I read that.

970
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:55,600
» I say in the 30 years I've done, I've
never heard of that one, but that's

971
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:59,360
» but I know INDOT does not fully respond
to the 811 system. So

972
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:02,159
» because all our guys do INDOT work and
we're registered through 811. We call

973
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:05,600
811 and that's
>> Yeah. So, I'm not really sure what that

974
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:10,159
was, but that was kind of
>> on that, Randy. And I'll follow that up.

975
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:14,159
I'll forward that on to Mr. Woodyard and
>> just continue

976
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:18,639
guys, but I've never heard that. I've
never I've done

977
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:23,280
» work with INDOT and I've never had to go
through an additional training 811.

978
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:25,280
» That's good to know.
>> That was an interesting one.

979
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:29,040
» Okay.
>> But I'd like to, you know, like I said,

980
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:34,320
continue to try to get this one across
the finish line.

981
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:38,320
Well, I I appreciate that and keep at it
if you will,

982
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:42,960
» but I appreciate their will. They're
continuing to respond to us.

983
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:46,480
» I have one thing and I just asked Jim to
stay because he's going to have to

984
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:52,719
answer that one, too. The most asked
question is when will the bridge be

985
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:59,679
drivable acades
removed? So,

986
01:28:56,480 --> 01:29:05,280
um, on Linda's question about that, I
have not seen a

987
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:08,560
bridge report from Friday or today. Last
week, it was a few days.

988
01:29:06,639 --> 01:29:11,840
» We got one on Monday last week,
>> right? So, that one was a little late,

989
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:15,679
so I'm sure we'll get one. That one
talked about finishing the handrail,

990
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,360
regroving or putting some grooves in the
road,

991
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:22,639
» lighting
>> and lighting. I believe Michanna is

992
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:24,719
working on the lighting, which Randy
might not know that part if you

993
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:28,000
» I know it.
>> Okay. So, I think they're working on the

994
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:31,360
lighting and getting conduit in. It
looked like a lot more concrete was

995
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:36,400
poured. It looked like most of the
railing was up, the metal on top. So, my

996
01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:42,159
guess goes you. Once again, it's still a
county project, but I still would hope

997
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:48,400
the next few weeks, but don't know an
exact date yet, but it is getting close

998
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:53,120
and it's looking pretty good in there.
Okay, just do that.

999
01:29:51,600 --> 01:30:00,560
» Anything else tonight?
>> Quick ink conduit and we got some

1000
01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:06,600
handles set in for that bridge and
we're still probably a month out from

1001
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:06,600
getting the lighting controller. So,

1002
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,639
» yeah,
>> pretty good. a little bit different

1003
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:15,920
lighting control,
>> but yeah, basically I mean

1004
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:20,560
end October is what we were told before
we'd have the Tesco lighting cabinet.

1005
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,280
So,
>> okay. Anything else from the board

1006
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:28,159
tonight? Okay. I don't know who's going
to present their ordinances that who's

1007
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:31,159
doing it.
>> Okay.

1008
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:39,960
» Okay. You have a couple of ordinances
for second third reading. The first is

1009
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:39,960
ordinance number 2025-2249,

1010
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:46,040
an ordinance for appropriations and tax
rates for 2026.

1011
01:30:55,040 --> 01:31:01,760
Make a motion we approve 2025-2249
on second reading.

1012
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:07,360
Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any

1013
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:11,520
further discussion? Hearing
none. Roll call vote, please.

1014
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,040
» Councilman Call,
>> yes.

1015
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,239
» Ecker,
>> yes.

1016
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,760
» Crackwell,
>> yes.

1017
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,880
» Logan Ecker,
>> yes.

1018
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:18,320
» Melder,
>> yes.

1019
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,760
» Maro,
>> yes.

1020
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:23,920
» Star,
>> yes.

1021
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:27,920
» Very good. Okay, that was second
reading. You also need to pass it on a

1022
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:32,320
third reading.
>> Make a motion to pass uh ordinance

1023
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:34,800
2025-2249
on third reading.

1024
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,000
Second
>> motion and a second. Any further

1025
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:40,639
discussion?
>> Roll call vote, please.

1026
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,000
» Councilman Call,
>> yes.

1027
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,360
» Ecker,
>> yes.

1028
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,719
» Crapall,
>> yes.

1029
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,840
» Longer,
>> yes.

1030
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:47,120
» Melder,
>> yes.

1031
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,320
» Maro,
>> yes.

1032
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:52,560
» Star,
>> yes.

1033
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:56,960
» Okay. The next item is ordinance number
2025-2250,

1034
01:31:55,120 --> 01:32:03,480
an ordinance fixing salaries for the
year 2026 for the elected officials of

1035
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,480
the city of Plymouth, Indiana.

1036
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:15,120
Make a motion to pass ordinance 202522
50 on second.

1037
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:19,040
» Second.
>> We have a motion in a second. Any

1038
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:22,239
further discussion?
Roll call vote, please.

1039
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,760
» Councilman Co,
>> yes.

1040
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,600
» Ecker,
>> yes.

1041
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:26,960
» Yes.
>> Logan,

1042
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,239
» yes.
>> Milder,

1043
01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:29,600
» yes.
>> Maro,

1044
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:33,120
» yes.
>> Star,

1045
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:33,120
» yes.

1046
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:39,520
You have a second reading. You still
need a third reading.

1047
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:43,440
» Make a motion we approve 2025-2250.
Third reading. Second.

1048
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:47,360
» Have a motion and second. Any further
discussion? We'll call vote, please.

1049
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,440
» Councilman call.
>> Yes.

1050
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:51,280
» Yes.
>> Wall.

1051
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,719
» Yes.
>> Worker.

1052
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:53,840
» Yes.
>> Mother.

1053
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,159
» Yes.
>> Maro.

1054
01:32:54,639 --> 01:33:02,080
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1055
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:07,280
» Okay. Okay. Moving down the agenda, I
think the next item is discussion of

1056
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:14,320
updates to the ADA transition plan. So
the ADA transition plan is our report

1057
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:24,239
that shows where in the city we are
focused on um improving or creating uh

1058
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:30,880
ADA uh structures for sidewalks at
intersections. Uh Ken Vores before he

1059
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:36,400
moved on to another opportunity worked
very hard in our engineering department

1060
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:42,239
to update this plan um specifically
identifying intersections that had

1061
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:46,080
already been improved and uh determining
the priorities for the city moving

1062
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:51,760
forward. You can see that's all laid out
in the plan. There is no action required

1063
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:58,400
tonight. This is being presented to you
forformational purposes. It will be

1064
01:33:55,040 --> 01:34:03,840
advertised and a comment period begins
so that anyone in the public can review

1065
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:10,080
this and present comments. It will come
back to you at your second meeting in

1066
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:14,719
October for final consideration. And I
understand from Kyle that it is now up

1067
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:19,199
on the city's website as well. So, if
any member of the public wants to review

1068
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:24,719
this plan, they can obtain it through
the website electronically or they can

1069
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:29,040
come into the city office and request a
hard copy.

1070
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:34,800
But like I said, no action is required
from you tonight.

1071
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:42,639
So, we can move on to resolution number.
>> We got you. Lyn has a donation. She

1072
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:44,960
wants to have a donation. Sorry. Came in
late.

1073
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:49,760
» No problem.
want to apologize for

1074
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:56,239
» city of Plymouth has received a donation
from Jean Sponsor in memory of Brian

1075
01:34:53,120 --> 01:35:00,880
Rens in the amount of $250 to be used
for the mayor's summer view music. I'm

1076
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:05,760
asking if you wish to accept this
donation with the restricted terms,

1077
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:11,679
conditions, and purpose attached to the
donation. If so, the donation will be

1078
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:15,040
receded into the monetary gift fund.
>> So moved. Second.

1079
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:17,600
» Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
further discussion?

1080
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,480
» All in favor say I.
>> I.

1081
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:23,600
» Those opposed? Nay.
>> Okay, Jeff.

1082
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:27,679
» Okay, now we can move on to resolution
number 2025-1168,

1083
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:31,440
a resolution of the city of Plymouth
Common Council authorizing the clerk

1084
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:35,360
treasurer to transfer funds from the
rainy day fund to the unsafe building

1085
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:38,400
fund. I think you were all here and
heard the discussion during the board of

1086
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:45,120
public works and safety meeting about
the point and the stay of the demolition

1087
01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:50,400
order for 30 days pending a possible
sale and uh improvements to that

1088
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:56,639
property. So, as I stated during that
meeting, I recommend that you proceed

1089
01:35:53,520 --> 01:36:02,639
with transferring the funds and expect
to see a resolution for an additional

1090
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:06,800
appropriation at your next meeting. uh
this is so that you can keep the process

1091
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:11,760
moving. If for some reason that sale
were to fall through then we don't want

1092
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:18,960
to start over from the very beginning.
>> So as of right now that demolition order

1093
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:22,800
is stayed but uh like I said I recommend
that you proceed with this transfer of

1094
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:27,920
funds.
Just a quick question. If this does not

1095
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:32,639
continue as far as the demolition and
what have you, the funds that's in

1096
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:37,800
there, can we move it back to the rainy
day fund if we don't need it?

1097
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:46,199
» Yes, we could. However, however,

1098
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:57,840
» in your um approval of the um budget
ordinance for 2026,

1099
01:36:53,679 --> 01:37:01,840
the um there is not enough cash if we
could proceed with this demolition.

1100
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:08,159
There would not be enough cash in there
to fund the budget

1101
01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:14,639
for 2026.
So if this doesn't get spent for this

1102
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:23,520
demolition, then it would just remain in
the unsafe building fund for any future

1103
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:27,440
demolitions or legal advertising that
needs to be done for unsafe buildings.

1104
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:32,119
» Thank you.
>> That helps a lot. Thank you.

1105
01:37:32,719 --> 01:37:38,560
» Do we know what our spec was on from the
contract? how many days they had to hold

1106
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:43,440
their price.
>> I don't recall that being specified in

1107
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:47,679
the contract itself. Um I think that'll
have to be something the building

1108
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:52,480
commissioner can discuss with the uh the
contractor to determine if they'll hold

1109
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:57,840
that price or to review their quotes
just to see if they stated it on there.

1110
01:37:54,960 --> 01:38:01,159
» We'll suggest that to Dennis and see if
he can clarify.

1111
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:07,360
I'd make a motion to pass resolution
2025-1168.

1112
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:11,920
» Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any

1113
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:14,800
further discussion?
I'm just going to do it quick. All in

1114
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:19,040
favor say I.
>> Those opposed, nay.

1115
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:22,480
» Very good.
>> Next, you have resolution number

1116
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:25,760
2025-1169.
a resolution of the city of Plymouth

1117
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:31,840
declaring certain real estate to be
within an economic revitalization area,

1118
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:38,400
excuse me, pursuant to Indiana code
61.112.1

1119
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:45,360
for American Containers, Inc., this is a
application for a tax abatement and you

1120
01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:50,320
have the SP1 in your packet and I'll
remind you that this is the first step

1121
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:55,360
in the process. This is the uh
declaratory resolution and uh if you

1122
01:38:53,840 --> 01:39:00,560
approve this then there would be a
public hearing and a confirmatory

1123
01:38:57,679 --> 01:39:06,080
resolution at your next meeting to
finalize the tax payment. I believe that

1124
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:12,520
uh Shively from MCDC and representatives
of American containers are here tonight

1125
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:12,520
if you have any questions for them.

1126
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:23,600
» Any questions? I know that uh Greg
Hildebrand had a previously scheduled

1127
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:28,280
commitment and um so we got an upgrade
to Lorna tonight representing MCBC.

1128
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:36,920
» Be kind. This is the first time I've
done this. It'll be great.

1129
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:45,199
So with the uh with the application for
this tax abatement, I can tell you that

1130
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:51,840
the equipment investment from American
Container is $5.8 million.

1131
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:58,880
They will be retaining 73 employees and
conservatively adding two employees and

1132
01:39:55,520 --> 01:40:05,440
the wages for these jobs start at $23 an
hour and benefits and retirement pension

1133
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:11,280
plans are on top of that. So the $23 an
hour is the baseline

1134
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:14,960
and that's what I can tell you. And the
gentlemen are here if you have if you

1135
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:18,400
want to see pictures. I know they all
have piles that they can share the

1136
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:21,360
pictures and I think you've seen those
and

1137
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:25,600
so this is a good thing for the
community.

1138
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:29,480
» You want to add anybody
>> come right on up. Yep.

1139
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:43,040
Thank you. And I would also ask that you
be kind even though this is not my first

1140
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:47,679
time in front of you.
Um well, first of all, Mr. Mayor,

1141
01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:52,400
council members,
madam treasurer, it is always an honor

1142
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:56,000
to be in front of this group in a
community that has done so well for

1143
01:40:54,239 --> 01:41:02,320
American containers and we hope we've
returned that to the community as well.

1144
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:08,560
Um what we are uh faced with is an
opportunity to expand in our uh box

1145
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:13,600
making standard carton making portion of
our business. We have three main lakes

1146
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:18,800
that we specialize in. One of which is
corrugated honeycomb that we sold at one

1147
01:41:16,639 --> 01:41:23,920
time to Young Door Corporation which is
the building we now occupy uh which

1148
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:28,159
became Jeldwin but that is a specialized
area and we have developed that over the

1149
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:34,080
years and keep making investments into
that ongoingly. Secondly we uh do a

1150
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:38,719
significant amount of business in with
the pharmaceutical industry

1151
01:41:36,639 --> 01:41:45,119
uh highdensity polyethylene and
polyropylene packaging. We manufacture.

1152
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:51,360
We sold to people like Fizer, Amgen,
Eli, Lily, Gehimer. We sell not only to

1153
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:56,400
the pharmaceutical firms themselves, but
also to the glass makers and many of

1154
01:41:54,320 --> 01:42:00,960
those are based in Germany and in
Europe, but have facilities here in the

1155
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:09,040
states. We do export product to Ireland
and Italy uh with significant uh

1156
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:14,000
shipments that again when you allowed us
our variance and Jim and the street

1157
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:19,280
department and we all worked together
and we were able to expand our building

1158
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:24,159
as we did two just over two years ago
that allowed us to invest and we put in

1159
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:28,719
equipment and expanded greatly because
of the demands of the pandemic and

1160
01:42:26,639 --> 01:42:35,040
considerable growth that we've uh
maintained since. So those two areas we

1161
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:39,840
are fairly well up to date on technology
and capacity. But our box making

1162
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:43,520
equipment as I tried to explain to some
of you and I'm sorry I missed some of

1163
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:49,920
the meeting uh my wife had a medical
appointment but um there are 1,400

1164
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:57,040
corrugated box plants in the United
States. We have three and so we are the

1165
01:42:54,000 --> 01:43:04,000
tail, not the dog. But we have some
great positions within organizations.

1166
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:10,239
And in 2020 when we expanded our
facility in California, we made an

1167
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:14,320
investment into an EMBA printing flexo
folder gluer. It was the biggest

1168
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:20,800
investment we had made in a piece of
equipment. It has dramatically affected

1169
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:24,880
the success and growth and our
capabilities to sell packaging

1170
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:30,320
throughout the state of California. And
we have some fantastic

1171
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:36,320
blue chip collar type of uh customers
there. And what I'm going to ask u Pete

1172
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:40,480
to explain to you our general manager
just about a little bit of the

1173
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:45,920
capabilities of the equipment that might
resolve any questions you have. Its

1174
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:52,000
capabilities are so dramatic in
efficiency to where we stand now and

1175
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:57,600
secondly in quality control. It is the
standard that the rest of the world goes

1176
01:43:53,920 --> 01:44:05,600
by. The company is named is EMBA and
they are out of Sweden and that piece of

1177
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:10,000
equipment has made our plant literally
more successful than it had ever been in

1178
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:15,199
California in the first eight years of
its existence. the last five years, the

1179
01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:20,560
development and growth of our box
business there has just absolutely taken

1180
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:25,199
off and it's been tremendous. So, as we
stand here today, I'll just summarize

1181
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:29,760
that our opportunity is for a customer
named Amgen, which a very large

1182
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:36,880
pharmaceutical. You may see their name
on television with uh pharmaceutical

1183
01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:42,880
commercials. We sell them packaging in
Columbus, Ohio that we are manufacturing

1184
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:47,840
and shipping from Stockton, California
because that's the only piece of

1185
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:52,560
equipment that will meet their rigid
quality standards.

1186
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:57,920
So, we know that our customer is being
patient at the moment, but that freight

1187
01:44:55,040 --> 01:45:02,000
bill from California is significant and
they're going to want us in Indiana to

1188
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:07,520
have this equipment. And that's why
we're advancing this project and

1189
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:15,119
purchase orders so that we can put into
Plymouth in our existing building the

1190
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:18,800
same uh I would call it the EMBA 2.0.
They've made some upgrades, but it's

1191
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:24,560
virtually the same piece of equipment we
have in California. So that's our

1192
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:30,000
background. We will add conservatively
two jobs. We know that it will be more,

1193
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:34,239
but we're going to have to absolutely
get some of the top trained people to

1194
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:39,760
run this piece of equipment. It is PLC
controlled. And when I started in the

1195
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:45,920
business, everything was handfed, letter
press, mechanically adjusted, you

1196
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:51,440
cranked on a lever. It just doesn't work
that way anymore. We need better trained

1197
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:55,360
uh people as operators for this. So
Pete, could you just take a minute to

1198
01:45:53,040 --> 01:46:01,199
please explain a little bit about Does
anybody not have some information that

1199
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:05,440
would like a copy of this? We have Okay,
anyone does, please. Pete. Sure. Sure.

1200
01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:09,280
Thank you for the opportunity to present
for you. As Mike said, I'm Pete Weedoff.

1201
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:15,360
I'm the general manager at the Indiana
location. Uh so this machine um has got

1202
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:18,800
the the best technology that I've seen
in 30 plus years in the packaging

1203
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:23,920
industry.
uh this customer Amgen that Mike has

1204
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:28,159
talked about is requiring quality
specifications

1205
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:32,960
tighter than our industry standard and
so far this machine is the only machine

1206
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:39,440
that we found in the market that can
maintain those standards consistently.

1207
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:42,880
So not only will it en enable us to uh
provide that good quality not only for

1208
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:47,440
that customer but for the rest of our
customer base and give us an opportunity

1209
01:46:44,639 --> 01:46:54,639
to grow for more sophisticated customers
that require that type of quality uh

1210
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:59,760
aspect of it. In addition, this machine
is almost double the speed capability of

1211
01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:05,840
our fastest machine that we have in
Plymouth today. So it really hits two

1212
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:10,719
points. The quality, the control that we
can maintain with that plus some speed

1213
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:18,719
to be able to grow uh and continue to
grow in in Plymouth as they have over 60

1214
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:22,639
years. So any questions?
One, first of all, thanks for giving me

1215
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:27,920
as much time as you guys did last week.
I had a lot of questions. It was great.

1216
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:32,960
» It was fun. One question I failed to ask
though is how many shifts will this

1217
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:36,480
machine run? Is this a one shift, eight
hour shift, 12 hour shift?

1218
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:39,199
» Right. So, currently the plan is like
our current operation, we have four

1219
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:43,199
10-hour shifts.
>> Four 10our shift

1220
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:49,560
» and then Fridays are overtime if needed
if you know if there's more orders than

1221
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:49,560
what we can get done in four days. So,

1222
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:53,000
» 24 hours.

1223
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:59,520
Thank you.
>> Any other questions?

1224
01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:04,080
All right. Thank you.
>> I have one question though. Is this 10

1225
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:09,040
year? Is it starting 100% going down 10%
or what? How many years is this for

1226
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:15,520
abandonment for?
>> So that'll be in the confirmatory

1227
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:20,560
resolution at your next meeting, but um
in the past our standard abatement scale

1228
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:27,040
has been based on a seven-year
abatement. However, because of changes

1229
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:33,920
in state law, um we're proposing to
reduce that to for personal property to

1230
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:42,520
a five-year abatement at a 20% phase in
per year. So again, that'll be in the

1231
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:42,520
resolution for your next meeting.

1232
01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:53,119
» There's no other questions.
I'll make a motion to approve resolution

1233
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:55,920
2025-1169.
>> Second.

1234
01:48:54,159 --> 01:49:00,119
» Okay, we have a motion and we have a
second. Any further discussion?

1235
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:06,320
Hearing none. All in favor will say I.
>> I.

1236
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:10,159
» Those opposed? Nay.
Unanimous.

1237
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:13,679
» Mike, thank you.
>> Thank you all very much. I appreciate

1238
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:16,080
the time and the working together in
this community. We appreciate you being

1239
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:19,760
here.
>> Well, we plan to stay

1240
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:24,239
that.
>> Thanks, John. Appreciate you all. Good

1241
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:28,920
to see you. Good to see you. Take care.
>> I'm sorry I'm going to delay you all. I

1242
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,920
just

1243
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:38,199
Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
Thanks.

1244
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:45,440
» All right, Jeff.
>> Okay, next item is a one Marshall County

1245
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:54,080
update. So at the board meeting last
week, we saw a uh draft of the strategic

1246
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:59,199
plan and specifically um working to
identify um action items within the

1247
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:03,600
different the five different pillars of
one Marshall County. So again, it's a

1248
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:10,320
draft plan uh based on feedback from the
various committees and we're hoping to

1249
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:15,040
finalize that by next month. Um
comprehensive plan update. The one thing

1250
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:24,080
I want to share is I know that Tai
completed a review of all of the um

1251
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:31,440
goals and action steps in the
comprehensive plan. And in a plan that

1252
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:40,560
is anticipated to take um a decade or
two to complete if at all, we have now

1253
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:47,119
either started or completed
approximately 74% of the goals within

1254
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:51,920
the plan. So, there is a very real
possibility that we will need to update

1255
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:58,000
the comprehensive plan before the
expected end date because

1256
01:50:55,600 --> 01:51:02,080
we're making fast progress. We're going
to run out of things to do. Um, that's

1257
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:06,159
the update I have for you. If you have
any other questions,

1258
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:09,719
was that a question?
>> No, we just

1259
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:16,199
» Okay, then that's all I have. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you.

1260
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:26,239
Okay.
Privilege of the floor directed to the

1261
01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:29,600
agenda items only tonight's
anything.

1262
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:33,119
Very good. I'll entertain a motion to
approve the acceptance of communications

1263
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:37,119
in your packet.
>> I move to approve the acceptance of the

1264
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:39,040
communications.
>> Second.

1265
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:44,239
» Motion and second. Any further
discussion? All in favor say I. I. Those

1266
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:47,639
oppos. Number eight.
Thank you.

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