[0:01] I hope everybody can hear us.
Like to call to order the
[0:07] September 22nd, 2025 board of public
works and safety meeting.
[0:13] » Uh roll call, please.
>> Mayor Listenberger
[0:16] » here.
>> Cole
[0:17] » here.
>> Ecker
[0:18] » here.
>> Mer
[0:20] » here. Marorrow
>> here.
[0:24] » Thank you.
I entertain a motion to approve the
[0:28] minutes from our September 8th meeting.
>> Move.
[0:32] » I have a motion.
>> Second.
[0:34] » Got a second. Any further discussion?
>> Hearing none. All in favor say I.
[0:39] » I.
>> Those opposed? Nay. Thank you.
[0:43] Um, anything from the board members
before we get started into the
[0:51] » you good cho? Good. Good. Good. Good.
>> Good.
[0:54] » All right. We'll just jump into Donnie.
Anything this evening?
[0:57] » I have nothing tonight.
Uh Dan's not with us tonight.
[1:06] Uh Dennis is not with us, but
>> Oh, Dennis.
[1:16] » Dennis, you're up if you can hear me.
[1:34] I don't have
[1:43] » Oh, that's right.
[1:49] » Okay.
[1:53] So, we're gonna we'll treat try to keep
getting Dennis if you can and then
[1:57] Dennis when you again I'm going to uh
Burke, you want to come up now and we'll
[2:01] get right into that. I forgot about
that.
[2:12] » Good evening members. Uh appreciate you
letting me jump ahead here. Um you may
[2:17] have hopefully in front of the
application that we have. Uh, first of
[2:20] all, my name is Burke Richardson here in
representation of Collins Equity Group
[2:23] and Centennial Crossing LLC and the
Homeowners Association for Centennial
[2:28] Crossing. Um, we put in an application
to have the speed limit uh set at 25
[2:33] miles per hour just within that single
family area. Uh, recognizing that's a
[2:38] drop from the traditional uh limit
that's there with the we have these
[2:42] beautiful wide roads that are easy to
traverse and a few areas that are a
[2:47] little bit straight. uh and just have a
few individuals or uh tendency for
[2:51] people to kind of get going a little bit
too fast. Uh and with the wider road, a
[2:55] little bit longer crossing time and uh
with having kids and stuff traveling to
[2:58] and from schools and parks and those
types of things, we would request a a
[3:03] drop that speed limit down to 25 miles
per hour and then we put up signs posted
[3:07] around so that everyone knows what that
speed limit is. Um but we just think in
[3:11] the you know name of safety and stuff
that that that kind of warrants that
[3:15] drop in speed limit.
[3:20] What does it cover? Is it the normal
speed limit from
[3:23] » I think the Yeah, the traditional is 30
miles an hour.
[3:29] » It's not posted, but that's just the the
fall back. You know,
[3:33] » those are city streets, correct?
>> They are, right? That's why we're here.
[3:37] The the back we would patrol and kind of
keep track of. If we wanted to put up a
[3:40] speed limit sign back there as private
roads, we could, but not really all that
[3:43] enforceable. Just try and slow people
down. the public streets in the front.
[3:47] You know, that's why we're here.
>> Do the public streets have signs right
[3:50] now that say 30?
>> They do not.
[3:52] » So, there are no signs, right?
>> There are no signs now, but they have a
[3:56] Jeeoff, I believe it's 30 miles per hour
is the just
[4:01] » I don't remember off the top of my head.
>> Okay. 30 or 35.
[4:04] » 30 or 35 I believe in city. And then
it's
[4:06] » chief, you know, is that
>> it kind of like he's saying it depends
[4:11] on the the neighborhoods. Some are 25
and then some are
[4:15] 35 kind of how they designate them. So
if there's no signs posted, it's
[4:20] supposed to be a 25 residential, but
like my neighborhood, it's got a 35
[4:25] sign, which seems awful fast, but
I didn't post it.
[4:31] » Isn't that something Jimmy can look into
and report back to us in two weeks? I
[4:36] mean, we normally don't have signs
posted in residential areas. I know this
[4:41] is a request to go. I was thinking it
was 30, but I'm not sure what the state
[4:45] law is. I would on that one with But I
mean, if you chose to go 25, I know that
[4:53] would probably have to be
I know that would probably have to be
[5:03] if you chose to go 25, I'm sure that'
have to be a board approval to
[5:07] definitely make it legal because like I
said, I thinking normal speed is not
[5:13] posted as 30. I would think somewhere we
would have to post it too because it's
[5:18] different. I mean,
>> right, but everything's going to refer
[5:22] to, and John correct me if I'm wrong,
but it's going to refer to the maximum
[5:28] speed limit in a city corporation is 30
m hour unless otherwise posted.
[5:33] » So, I just
>> That's what I always took it as too.
[5:37] » Is that the way you understood it, John?
>> He was on his phone.
[5:42] » John, can you come up here, Matt? We're
gonna get company. Yes.
[5:47] » Dennis says he can't see or hear
anything. I told him we see him, but
[5:51] he's not getting anything in.
[5:55] » My question was is unless otherwise
posted, everything inside the city's 30
[6:00] 30 m hour maximum
unless otherwise posted.
[6:05] » I'd have to look at that statute again
how it reads.
[6:10] » I I believe you're correct. It's 30 or
35 unless it's posted 25
[6:17] » because we've posted before at 25.
>> I mean that that place is crowded.
[6:21] There's a lot of kids out there. I
disagree. 30 30 m hour there's crazy.
[6:27] So, and we went, you know, I went
through this route to verify just to see
[6:31] if we could just put up the signs and
say, hey, it's 25 mile per hour, but
[6:36] getting this feedback, I thought, let's
put an application in and make sure that
[6:39] we get it approved the way it needs to
be before buying signs and those types
[6:43] of things.
[6:46] » I'll make a motion we reduce the speed
limit to 25 miles hour.
[6:52] » Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
[6:56] further discussion? Anybody have
anything to add to that?
[6:58] » You guys are purchasing and putting that
sign.
[7:00] » Yeah, we'll buy the signs.
>> Sounds Sounds good to me.
[7:03] » Good job, Jim.
>> Good job. Um, all right. We have a
[7:09] motion in a second. Um,
>> all in favor say I.
[7:14] » I. I.
>> Those opposed? Nay.
[7:19] » Unanimous.
>> Thank you so much. I really appreciate
[7:22] it.
>> Thanks.
[7:24] » All right. Were we able to get Dennis?
>> I believe Hyperwave is trying to work on
[7:30] it, but
>> I'm going to text him and say we'll come
[7:34] back to him.
[7:54] Okay, we'll go down to uh Chief Hollum.
Anything this evening?
[7:59] » Nothing tonight. Thank you.
>> Chief Weir.
[8:02] » Yes.
[8:05] » I don't know if we can put him on phone
speaker phone and set up here and talk
[8:09] back and forth.
>> Uh if we have to in a little bit. We're
[8:12] still working on trying to Oh, unless
he's part of your talk. Is he?
[8:17] » No. No, I got nothing on that.
>> Okay. So, no, I'm just here to uh
[8:22] request a financial guarantee waiver for
the um block cameras.
[8:30] Those were
I got the PO for those last March and
[8:34] I've been in contact with them wondering
what's going on. Well, they said they
[8:38] haven't got the thing signed by Chris
Marshall and Chris Marshall says that
[8:42] he's waiting for a financial guarantee.
I'm like, nobody said anything to me
[8:46] about it. So, he said I need to get a
waiver. So I'm here
[8:52] Chris had emailed me about this also
because the flock cameras are being
[8:56] installed in the city rightway. Normally
for any work in the rightway we require
[9:01] a financial guarantee but because it's
the city having them installed. Then the
[9:06] request is to wave that financial
guarantee because ultimately it would be
[9:10] the city paying a financial guarantee to
ourselves to ensure that we had them
[9:14] installed correctly.
Okay,
[9:18] » I'll make a motion we approve the
request.
[9:20] » Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
[9:23] further discussion?
>> Do you want me to do roll call? Roll
[9:28] call vote, please.
>> Not necessarily because you're all here.
[9:31] » Okay. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[9:34] » Those opposed? Nay.
>> All right. Thank you.
[9:37] » Very good. Thanks,
[9:43] » Mr. Marquet.
[9:48] open for you.
>> Is there any more quotes for payment?
[9:58] I said there should not be. We requested
the three quotes
[10:02] for the requirements of purchasing. Um,
so this is to do the paving at the
[10:10] street department to finish up our
parking lot. It's in our budget.
[10:15] So, I solicited three quotes
[Applause]
[10:20] and I had a main lot, the main part of
the lot. Then I had a couple add-on
[10:25] areas just in case if it worked out, we
could do a little bit more.
[10:33] So, the first quote is from EMB Paving
out of Rochester.
[10:39] Um on the main request of the parking
lot was $81,600.
[10:46] Item number
[10:50] or alternate bid number one it added
$22,760
[10:54] and that is going down between the old
pavement between our salt shed and cold
[10:59] storage building.
And then alternative bid number two was
[11:03] to add a little bit farther onto the
back side of our parking lot where we
[11:06] park equipment and it was $7,000. Total
bid is $112,320.
[11:15] [Applause]
>> Which company was it? EMB baby.
[11:27] [Applause]
[11:36] [Applause]
[11:43] The second one was your milestone
contractors in South Bend.
[11:51] So the
subtotal of the main quote was 82,663.
[11:59] The
second alternative was 9,73592.
[12:06] The third al or the second alternative
after that was
[12:13] 20
27,42337
[12:18] for a total of $119,822.
[12:23] [Applause]
[12:34] [Applause]
[12:39] [Applause]
The third quote requested was through
[12:43] Ree Riley Construction
out of South Bend. Awesome.
[12:53] [Applause]
[13:10] Okay. Front page. Uh scope of work. The
main quote asked was $81,021.
[13:19] The alternative one was 28,721
[13:25] and alternative 2 was 17,699.
[Applause]
[13:32] Um, they did not come up with a total
price on all those and I don't have to
[13:36] do that
quick.
[13:46] So
[13:49] » what I guess I would ask for is
permission. These do fit within our
[13:56] definite fit in our aotted line item.
And I would ask for permission to review
[14:02] these and go ahead and get going on
something like this because our next
[14:06] meeting's three weeks away and with the
season. Make a motion we approve the
[14:12] request.
>> Second motion and second. Any further
[14:15] discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor will say I.
[14:19] » I.
>> And those opposed? Nay.
[14:23] Unanimous.
>> Thank you, Jim. Anything else?
[14:27] » Nothing else on
[14:32] » Mike Collins.
>> Thank you.
[14:38] Mike height, are you is he online?
[14:46] » He said earlier too, he couldn't hear
anything.
[14:56] » I think it is, but
[15:00] they cannot hear us.
[15:05] All right. Uh, Bill Shely.
[15:13] » Hello.
Um, June, July, around that time, um,
[15:18] Dr. Whit came in front of you and talked
about the Blueberry Festival, Blueberry
[15:22] Stomp that he's the race director. Um,
for those of you who may not know, Dr.
[15:26] Dr. Wood is also on our board of
aviation directors, uh, one of the
[15:30] commissioners and with the pending
opening of our taxiway. Um, Dr. Wit has
[15:37] organized a Plymouth Runway Mile and 5K.
So, uh, he's just got the website up and
[15:44] already has some people signed up and
next June 13th on a Saturday, we're
[15:50] going to have a run the runway mile and
a 5K. And um we're going to have some
[15:57] additional aviation things there with
helicopter rides and hoping to get uh
[16:02] some display aircraft in. Uh the
proceeds are going to benefit
[16:07] scholarships for the flight school and
high school program. So I wanted to let
[16:11] you know about that and get it out to
the press. I've forward it to Laura as
[16:15] well to include on our website.
>> Okay. Okay.
[16:20] » Thank you, Bill.
I'm gonna put I'm gonna call Dennis, put
[16:25] him on speaker and I don't know if this
will be loud enough for everybody. I
[16:28] don't know if I put it
probably from that conference.
[16:34] » It's brand new phone and I've not tried
using it though. So,
[16:49] » it won't connect to that.
Oh,
[16:53] » that's a
>> this speaker is better.
[16:54] » That's a conference phone right there.
>> Try it now. Dennis, how you doing?
[16:59] » Okay. How are you?
>> Okay. People here pretty good. We're
[17:03] going to go with it. Uh you're up,
Dennis. Um
[17:08] I see you had it. We're tableabling the
Northgate
[17:13] property.
>> Yeah, I was just going to give an
[17:16] update. Um they did
they did um tear down I believe it was
[17:24] seven units.
[17:29] » They put sent me a timeline. I did not
send it to the council. I'm sorry for
[17:34] that.
They did put a temporary
[17:39] excuse me. They did put a temporary
structure over the
[17:44] man or catch basin
and they are cleaning up the property.
[17:51] So I do have a timeline. They're asking
to
[17:57] kind of leave the manhole
structure
[18:02] over the until winter time is over.
[18:09] Okay.
[18:15] Anything else with that property?
>> Nothing else with that property. No.
[18:19] » All right. I I see there's some people
here with the point. Did you Did
[18:26] um you aware of that?
[18:32] » I I didn't know if they were going to be
able to make it to the agenda tonight or
[18:36] not, but yeah. Okay. Well, they're here.
Um, do you want to speak? I know I think
[18:42] possibly you had a meeting with the
purchase
[18:46] people that have potential purchase on
it, right?
[18:50] » Potential purchase. Um, spoke with them
on the phone.
[18:53] » Okay. Friday.
>> So, the Pomeroys are here. Um, do you
[18:59] guys want to come up and
[19:04] and go ahead and tell us what you know,
Dennis?
[19:08] Um, Tom Roy, I believe, are want to buy
the property.
[19:13] From my understanding, they've had a
commercial inspector come in and go
[19:18] through the property and look at it.
They
[19:23] apparently are planning on fixing it up.
I asked if they could present a timeline
[19:30] of what their proposed timeline would be
and possible
[19:38] Basically give a time lap. We don't want
to if if we
[19:43] recommendation would be to if we're not
going to demo it then not lift the order
[19:50] but postpone it and allow them to give
me a timeline.
[19:55] I don't want a repeat of what we just
went through.
[19:58] » Okay. All right. So
I'll just back up just a second. they we
[20:03] were aware of this offer potentially
coming and so I asked the Pommeroy to
[20:08] visit with you Dennis and it was you
know it's got to go through you and it
[20:12] sounds like you did that and I think
this would be a good time for
[20:19] Doug and Nan to tell us the plan and
update us on the purchase offer that you
[20:25] did and stuff like that. So, um, so you
want to introduce your name and address,
[20:31] please?
>> Doug and Nan Pomemeroy. We live at 277
[20:34] Juniper Lane here in Plymouth. We are
also, uh, Shepherd's Beginnings
[20:39] Ministry, uh, which started last year,
and, uh, Doug can tell you a little bit
[20:44] about that, but we are also the leaders
of the Celebrate Recovery at Plymouth
[20:49] Wesleyan Church. And we are also uh,
associate chaplain out of Marshall
[20:54] County Jail.
>> Okay. So, I did print out copies.
[20:59] » Yeah, you can
>> of the proposed plan.
[21:02] » Didn't know how many I have.
[21:15] And uh we did
put in an offer which was accepted. and
[21:22] the sellers uh representatives, they're
here tonight and they can verify that
[21:27] all the signatures have been uh obtained
from the sellers, the partners and so
[21:33] forth, and they have accepted our offer
uh with contingencies. And I believe I
[21:38] sent something I did send the sales
agreement uh to Kyle uh so he can share
[21:44] copies of that to whomever you need to.
>> Okay. So, you've got that. And uh in
[21:51] talking with Dennis uh I do realize the
problems that existed uh during the last
[21:57] few years over this property. Uh but I
have uh Dennis I am giving everyone a
[22:03] copy uh tonight of the proposed building
upgrade safety plan. And today we
[22:09] actually did have Ken and you've got
that paper underneath that warrant fire
[22:15] and security.
they have listed what they will come in
[22:19] and check. Uh you don't have to read all
those papers. Uh but uh as soon as we
[22:24] know that the demolition order can be
reversed or suspended or postponed, we
[22:32] will go ahead and I'll sign this and
they will come in within the next couple
[22:36] of weeks to do a full inspection of the
sprinkler system, the alarm system, and
[22:42] everything else that's listed on here.
and we will sign a contract with them uh
[22:46] showing that we will absolutely have
them inspected on required basis and
[22:51] they will help us make sure that the
city and state codes are met.
[23:00] » And as far as financial,
we're paying cash for the building and
[23:05] we have enough cash to do all the
upgrades. So, uh if you want any
[23:09] verification of that, we'd be more than
happy to to give it. So, uh, the
[23:14] financial aspect of it will not be a
problem.
[23:16] » I know. We keep looking at Dennis and he
probably can't even see us.
[23:21] » Actually, you can see us, can't you,
Dennis?
[23:24] » I I can see you.
>> The YouTube channel is working.
[23:28] » I'm watching on the YouTube channel. So,
there is a slight delay, but
[23:32] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[23:34] » And in two days, in two days, we do have
an inspector. Um that's uh NPI out of
[23:41] South Bend. Uh NPI Michigan commercial
building inspectors coming in in two
[23:47] days if we can get this postponed or
whatever. Uh we'll we are going to have
[23:53] I already signed a contract to have them
come in and they will inspect the entire
[23:57] building.
But we're doing it in two phases. Yeah.
[24:02] » That the fire that that comes first that
we'll make sure that that is dealt with.
[24:07] But then anything that he suggests that
needs to be repaired, inspected, uh,
[24:12] continually, whatever we have to do,
we're going to make sure and we will
[24:15] follow professional people's advice and
do what needs to be done to get it up to
[24:20] city and state codes.
[24:24] » What's the plan for the business itself?
>> What's what's the plan?
[24:32] » The plan itself,
>> please. uh a transitional house uh for
[24:37] people that are getting out of jail or
prison instead of throwing them on the
[24:40] street. We want to bring them in uh give
them a place to stay for a period of
[24:44] time, help them find jobs,
transportation, and all that stuff. And
[24:49] and we we're working with quite a few
people at both of the hotels right now
[24:54] and we have no place to help them put
them get them out of that place and get
[24:59] them to a place that's safe. So that's
our intentions
[25:02] » because number one, in order for them to
even reside at this property, they will
[25:08] be drug tested. There will be no uh
exceptions to that rule. Yeah, they will
[25:14] have to be drug-free.
>> Is is the drug testing up front one time
[25:18] only or
be random? and and I didn't know that
[25:22] you would want to know exactly what we
were doing with the building, but I
[25:26] actually have that all written up as
well, our requirements for anyone that
[25:31] uh wants our assistance. We have several
guidelines that they must follow to
[25:37] continue their upfront drug testing.
They have to sign agreements of what
[25:41] they will, what they will not do. Um and
and it's ongoing and we have the right
[25:47] they signed that as well that anytime we
have a suspicion that they will have to
[25:52] submit to a drug test or risk being
kicked out,
[25:58] » you know,
>> and it's an opportunity right now. We've
[26:02] bought some houses and we can only help
one. This we can help 30. Does that make
[26:07] sense?
>> Yeah.
[26:08] » Okay.
>> I just was curious, but thank you. Mhm.
[26:12] » And I I want to kind of cut in there, I
I did tell the Palmeroy that this this
[26:18] property has lost its grandfather clause
and a variance to use it for a
[26:24] residential any kind of residential use
will have to go before the board of
[26:29] building appeals. So
>> yes,
[26:31] » yeah, we're aware.
>> We are aware.
[26:33] » That's one of your contingencies
probably.
[26:35] » That's correct.
>> Yeah.
[26:36] » Won't do us any good if we can't get
that in.
[26:38] » Yeah. So there's sustainability. How
would you sustain this program?
[26:44] What's how are you going to be able to
sustain this program after the initial
[26:48] purchase
>> financial?
[26:49] » Yes,
>> we do. Okay.
[26:51] » And we're happy to provide you with that
information when it comes to that. We'll
[26:55] we'll give you the information.
>> So other words, uh we're going to be
[27:00] funding everything, but we will
certainly accept donations
[27:04] » and and they're not going to stay there
for free. It's going to be sort of like
[27:07] David's courage.
>> Okay.
[27:09] » But it's very affordable, you know, uh
and so um it's just part of the
[27:15] responsibility that they need too uh to
provide some money for them.
[27:22] » They expect to go out and find
employment and all that good stuff.
[27:25] » Yes.
>> We're helping people now finding jobs
[27:28] » which is important
>> and we're we're providing temporary work
[27:32] for a number of people right now. So to
help them get on their feet, pay their
[27:37] utilities, get signed up for an
apartment somewhere, and have their
[27:41] first months, last month's security
deposit because there's a good number of
[27:46] people out there at the uh hotels right
now that they're there because they
[27:50] can't come up with all that money to get
that apartment.
[27:57] » So what about uh the the fines? Don't
the fines follow the uh property, not
[28:05] the property owner?
>> Correct.
[28:09] » Yes. So any fines that are not paid are
added as a lean on the property. Um
[28:15] there are other leans on the property as
well. There is a signed purchase
[28:18] agreement, but that's one of the
contingencies in the purchase agreement
[28:22] that uh the seller has to resolve all of
those fines so that they can deliver a
[28:26] clear title to the property. remind me
what the fine was from the uh attorney
[28:31] general.
>> So, the attorney general has a judgment.
[28:36] Um I don't remember the exact amount. It
was just over $300,000 was the order
[28:42] judgment. Uh there is statutory interest
occurring on that as well. So, until a
[28:48] closing date is set, we can't tell you
the exact amount. Um I I believe that
[28:55] they're going to have to negotiate a
settlement with the attorney general in
[28:58] order to uh resolve that lean.
>> Is that part of the contingency?
[29:02] » That is a contingency.
>> Yes.
[29:05] » So there's still a lot to go through to
make this deal happen. I'll just say
[29:09] that um I'm all about repurposing
buildings and I think this is the
[29:14] building that could be repurposed and
this in my opinion um I've had several
[29:19] meetings with the Palmroys and I kind of
understand and I feel really confident
[29:24] in their ability to repurpose this
building and run it effectively. That's
[29:28] just my opinion, but uh feel pretty good
about that.
[29:33] » Thank you.
I I'll just throw my two cents out that
[29:38] I uh I obviously can't speak for the
BCA, but I will imagine that you'll have
[29:46] some neighbors that are going to object.
So,
[29:51] » that'll be part of the process,
>> reszoning.
[29:55] And my other concern is, you know,
what's going to happen to the property
[30:00] once you folks decide you're done uh
with with this project.
[30:07] » That's where we're buried.
>> Yeah. Well,
[30:10] » this is our life. This is our
retirement.
[30:12] » Okay.
And the property is going to be in the
[30:16] name of our ministry,
>> right? And and we are a nonprofit,
[30:23] » which means that it will continue on
without us because some other charity
[30:29] can purchase it or or assume
responsibility for it.
[30:33] » Do you have board members then?
>> Yes, we do.
[30:36] » Okay.
>> So, we're looking for a timeline,
[30:41] Dennis. Is that correct?
>> Yes. Uh timeline you
[30:48] own the demolition order, I guess.
>> Suspended. So you look for a suspension
[30:53] on this.
>> So um
[30:55] » I I would not recommend a suspension. I
would recommend a temporary
[31:02] extension. the the legal term I would
use is a stay of the order, which just
[31:09] means that it's it's paused. And I agree
with what Dennis says that we don't want
[31:15] to have to start the process over again.
Where you're at right now is this board
[31:20] issued uh approved a demolition order
and when the owner did not comply with
[31:25] that, you solicited and approved a quote
for the demolition pending approval of
[31:33] funds from the city council. Later
tonight, uh the city council will be
[31:37] considering a resolution to transfer
funds to the unsafe building fund that
[31:43] can be used for the demolition. And then
the plan is at the first meeting in
[31:48] October to consider an additional
appropriation of those funds so that uh
[31:55] the the demolition contract uh can
proceed. If you were to approve a stay
[32:02] of the demolition order uh pending a any
recommendation of the building
[32:08] commissioner, that would essentially
pause the process. um let the Palmeroy
[32:13] have a chance to try to resolve the
issues on the property and uh close on
[32:18] the purchase and give Dennis the
opportunity to monitor that so that he
[32:23] can come back to you later and tell you
one way or another whether uh he
[32:27] believes the demolition should proceed
or whether it can be lifted.
[32:31] » So if we stay the order, do we need to
proceed with still proceed with the
[32:36] appropriation? So I will recommend to
the council that they do still proceed
[32:41] with the transfer of funds and the
additional appropriation again so that
[32:44] we don't have to start that process over
again if the sale were to fall through.
[32:49] » Okay. Then the next question is we've
talked about extending. What are you
[32:53] recommending Dennis?
[32:57] » I would recommend for the time being a
one month.
[33:03] I think that would give the Palmeroys
sufficient time to
[33:07] have all their contractors and
inspectors come in and give them a
[33:12] estimated estimated time to complete the
construction.
[33:20] » Uh yes, uh we can have the building
inspected in two days. And I was told on
[33:26] the phone tonight before I came that the
fire inspection, sprinkler system, uh
[33:32] the fire alarm can be done in about two
to three weeks.
[33:38] And then at that point, they're going to
let us know what needs to be repaired,
[33:42] has to be done, and how long it will
take. You're just your 30 days is just
[33:47] for us to get that far. Right.
>> Correct. I would I would look at a
[33:53] 30-day stay, allow you guys to get all
that in order, and then we can come back
[34:02] with the board and
>> come back.
[34:04] » In my opinion, if you don't have that
done in 30 days, then I I would
[34:08] recommend going on with the demolition.
>> Okay,
[34:11] » fair enough.
>> Fair enough.
[34:12] » Fair enough.
>> Talk about having it arranged within 30
[34:15] days or having the inspections and
everything completed within 30 days. I
[34:19] would have the inspections completed and
a timeline of construction
[34:26] » presented to the board within 30 days
>> presented with. Okay.
[34:30] » All right. And then the building
inspector is also going to include all
[34:33] the electrical construction.
>> Yes. And that and that'll that's on your
[34:36] paper that I gave you. Uh yes, the
electrical plumbing, HBAC.
[34:41] » Yeah. Uh we've got a general contractor
that came in, inspected all the uh the
[34:46] like the windows and the doors and and
all that stuff and and so again, as soon
[34:51] as we get the approval, uh we're going
to take care of all that.
[34:56] » Yeah, we have people lined up ready to
go. We just need to know what needs to
[34:59] be done.
>> I guess one more question and that is
[35:02] Chief where as far as do you know been
any issues vandalisms or attempted
[35:07] break? Our officers haven't said
anything or haven't seen anything.
[35:11] » Okay. I just want to make sure the
building stays secure.
[35:14] » As far as I know, it's been pretty quiet
lately.
[35:19] » I'll make a motion to approve the
request and stay the demolition
[35:25] um for 30-day period.
Is that sufficient? and that give
[35:32] everybody sufficient time to
>> and and if the board approves that
[35:35] tonight in 30 days when the Pomemeroys
have provided that information um you
[35:40] can take the advice of the building
commissioner whether to extend the stay
[35:45] or proceed with demolition at that time.
Okay, I'll second that motion.
[35:52] » Okay, we have a motion second. Any
further discussion?
[35:57] Yes, sir.
[36:00] » Randy Longer, a Baker Street Councilman,
District 4. Um, first thing I want you
[36:06] to think about as we delay this, the
contractor is probably not going to hold
[36:10] the price, which means we're going to
have to reappropriate or send this back
[36:13] out for quote well as well for
demolition. So, we need to consider
[36:17] that. And then secondly, this would be
my district and I will not support. So,
[36:23] just
Any
[36:28] further discussion?
[36:32] » Hearing none. Roll call vote, please.
>> Council call.
[36:38] » Yes.
>> Ecker,
[36:39] » yes.
>> Milner,
[36:40] » yes.
>> Maro,
[36:42] » yes.
>> Mayor Lenberger,
[36:43] » yes.
>> Okay, very good. Good luck.
[36:47] » Thank you very much.
[Applause]
[36:54] Where am I at?
Okay, we circle back up. Dennis, you
[36:59] have anything else this evening?
>> Um,
[37:03] I see that there was a
[37:08] another property at 5:16. I didn't know
if you wanted to address that now or
[37:15] » Yeah, I think that might be a pro. While
we've got you on my speak before my
[37:21] phone dies, um we're going to jump I
know we're going out of order tonight.
[37:25] Um we're gonna jump down to the 516
Pennsylvania. Jerry Hex in the audience.
[37:31] Um Jerry, would you like to come on up?
Dennis, give us the lowdown, please.
[37:40] Well,
>> um
[37:40] » you know what he's here for.
They I I sent I didn't know if I was
[37:45] going to be able to make it tonight. So,
I sent a timeline for their property. I
[37:50] received a complaint on this on June
20th. Sent the order out on June 25th,
[37:57] certified letter.
I got the mail
[38:02] returned back to me on July 28th as
unclaimed.
[38:09] um publicized it August 8th.
[38:15] That gave the owner 30 days to comply.
On September 8th, I brought it to the
[38:23] board and
asked to issue a fine.
[38:31] And that's where we're at.
>> And the fine was how much again?
[38:36] » $2500.
>> $2,500. Right.
[38:42] And that point is now due. And I think
Jerry, you're here to This is what it
[38:48] looks like.
[39:00] Why don't you let us take those? We'll
pass. Thank you.
[39:07] That's the other note underneath. It's
well supported. The stringer is well
[39:12] supported against the beam and it's
supported against the house.
[39:17] Now these stringers I replaced one with
the last 10 years. I take it down, got a
[39:26] new stringer, put it back in place. I
replaced some treads
[39:30] in the last year
and I put new spindles up on the railing
[39:35] of
uh this past year.
[39:40] I don't I don't know the process that I
just got the letter just uh late August
[39:48] in the mail.
Certified letters is hard to get for me
[39:53] because I work in Elcart and it's a post
office box and I'm not there during
[39:59] uh post office hours.
So,
[40:04] um
I'm a little surprised to get this
[40:07] penalty. I I hadn't had that letter very
long, so I haven't got a grasp of what's
[40:12] going on. But if it explain to me what
what what I need to fix, I'll be happy
[40:17] to fix it.
[40:25] There's no members or number on that
that's broken at this point.
[40:37] » So, who took these pictures?
>> What' you say about this?
[40:40] » Who took these pictures?
>> I took
[40:43] my cell phone.
[40:47] So, I know that uh Dennis put this in
the memo he wrote to the board, but uh I
[40:52] just want to reiterate the procedural
matters that that got us here. So,
[40:59] Dennis issued an order to take action on
June 25th.
[41:05] Um the order to take action issued under
Indiana code 3679585
[41:13] um allows for the property owner to
appeal the decision within 10 day or
[41:19] request an appeal within 10 days. If
they do not request the appeal within 10
[41:25] days, it um automatically becomes a
final order. However, um it is required
[41:32] to deliver that order by certified mail.
Uh Dennis sent the certified mail. It
[41:39] was postmarked on June 26th. Uh a first
notice was delivered on July 1st. A
[41:47] second notice was delivered on July 10th
and the recipient Jerry Hec uh it was I
[41:54] should note that it was addressed to PO
box 181 um in I believe that's in
[42:01] Lakeville. It's covered Le Paz uh which
is the address that is on the tax
[42:06] records for the property. So it's the
only address uh we have to send notice
[42:11] to. Um it was returned on July 28th
because Jerry Hec refused to claim that
[42:21] certified letter. So procedurally uh by
law we are required to issue a notice.
[42:29] If it's not if it cannot be delivered by
certified mail then it must be
[42:33] published. So um it was published in the
pilot news
[42:39] as required by law and no action was
taken. So the reason for issuance of the
[42:45] fine is because more than 10 days passed
after that publication date and no
[42:52] action was taken, no contact was made to
the building commissioner to notify him
[42:58] that uh um any substantial action had
been taken. So, because of the owner's
[43:05] refusal to accept the certified mail and
failure or refusal to take action as
[43:12] required by the notice to take action,
uh that allows for the issuance of a
[43:16] fine. And um I don't want to speak for
Dennis, but I believe one of the reasons
[43:22] that he requested the maximum fine is
because this is not the first time a
[43:27] similar situation has arisen with the
same property owner. um on another
[43:32] property on Leaport Street. Uh last year
we had the same issue where the owner
[43:37] refused to accept certified mail notice
of an order to take action. So um
[43:42] because of the repeated violations and
the refusal to accept delivery of the
[43:47] certified mail, Dennis requested the
find which you approved and that's the
[43:51] reason we're here.
[43:57] Regarding the porch street,
I paint staintedly poured a concrete uh
[44:04] cap on a porch when I discussed that
with you
[44:08] » and you said you were going to inspect
that and see that approval or not. I did
[44:13] not hear anything from that.
>> So, it's not like I didn't take action.
[44:17] » I wouldn't have told you that was my
decision.
[44:19] » I don't know whose decision it is. Uh,
it wouldn't have been mine. No, I don't
[44:22] remember that. Uh, have you seen what
they were currently doing to that? Wait.
[44:27] » Yeah, they uh totally gutted the place
and built a porch. Put porch on top.
[44:32] » Right.
>> Yeah, it looks nice. I was got different
[44:36] opinion. I don't
[44:41] I want to make it right.
I uh I've repaired that stairs numerous
[44:48] times. Uh, all I want to know is what do
I need to do?
[44:54] » Well, you can take that up with Dennis
offline. He didn't unless he wants to
[45:00] get into it tonight. We're here to
decide whether you've
[45:05] followed the procedures.
Uh, and the fine is really, am I right?
[45:10] I mean, that's what we're here to decide
right now is whether to wave the fine or
[45:14] not wave the fine.
>> Right. The issue really is not uh what
[45:18] does and does not need to be repaired
and that is contained in the order to
[45:21] take action. Um
the the request is to wave the fine that
[45:26] you already approved and as I said the
fine was issued for non-compliance
[45:30] because uh the certified mail was
refused and the notice was issued by
[45:36] publication and no action was taken. So
technically this is not an appeal of the
[45:42] fine because there is no statutory
provision for an appeal. Um it's just a
[45:48] request for you to reconsider the fine.
So it's up to you whether to um take any
[45:53] action or to let it stand.
[46:02] I'll make a motion that we let the um
twine stand as
[46:08] presented.
>> A second.
[46:13] » Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
further discussion?
[46:22] Hearing none. Roll call vote, please.
>> Councilman Cop,
[46:26] » yes.
>> Ecker,
[46:27] » yes. Milner.
>> Yes.
[46:29] » Maro.
>> Yes.
[46:31] » Mayor Lenberger.
>> Yes.
[46:33] » Stands.
>> I I can't hear it.
[46:36] » The fine stands.
>> It stands.
[46:38] » Yep.
>> Okay.
[46:39] » And now I would find out from Dennis
what you need to do to get it corrected.
[46:44] » Um
would be would it do me any any favors
[46:49] if I uh wish to t uh deny the violation
writing? That would be in a court of
[46:57] law, wouldn't it?
>> What are you asking?
[47:02] » If I could issue a deny denying the
violation.
[47:07] » Um, you can request an appeal within 10
days of the issuance of the order. We're
[47:13] well past 10 days. So, by statute,
you're too late to request any appeal.
[47:22] [Applause]
So the decision is you're not going to
[47:27] reverse it,
>> Jerry. It's unsafe. It was unsafe. Comes
[47:33] down to if I have to send a first
responder up those steps in gear, they
[47:38] are not safe. And that's what I have to
think about. I'm sorry, but that's just
[47:44] the way it is.
>> Thank you.
[47:53] Where am I?
Gosh, we're getting out of order
[47:56] tonight. Um,
yep. Wait, are we out of order? Where am
[48:02] I at?
>> All right. Uh, so, city attorney, you're
[48:08] up
[48:13] again. Um, okay. So the item I have for
you tonight is a partnership agreement,
[48:19] proposed partnership agreement with
Future Habitat, Inc. So the first thing
[48:22] I want to explain is that Future Habitat
Inc. has absolutely no affiliation with
[48:29] Habitat for Humanity. And that's been a
point of confusion just because of of
[48:34] the name. U they are not affiliated with
either the national Habitat for Humanity
[48:39] or our local Marsh County Habitat for
Humanity. They are a separate private
[48:45] development company. Um they're actually
fairly new. They have brought together
[48:50] um experts from various areas to form
the company um that is proposing to
[48:58] redevelop distress properties. Um I've
met with several of the partners and
[49:05] different representatives via video
conference. Um they are all over the
[49:09] country and all over the world actually.
and they have a lot of experience. Uh
[49:14] but this is a new entity that they
formed to do this. They are interested.
[49:19] We were connected earlier this year.
We've had several discussions with them.
[49:23] Um they're very interested in doing a
couple of projects in the city. They're
[49:29] um their plan is to do sustainable
development to create affordable
[49:34] workforce type housing uh developments.
and they're specifically um
[49:41] they're they're looking at a couple of
opportunities, but the one that is
[49:45] farthest along would be a mixeduse
development at the property on Kingston
[49:51] Street, the former Dave Rays Grocery, GL
Perry, depending on uh what era you
[49:57] remember best. Um
they are working with the property owner
[50:02] to develop a a project for that
location. It would be, like I said,
[50:07] mixed use with some commercial space as
well as housing, both owner occupied
[50:12] condos and rental properties. Um, the
preliminary design showed somewhere
[50:19] around 80 units, but that can change as
they uh fine-tune their plans.
[50:26] as they're looking to proceed with the
planning for that, they've requested
[50:31] this agreement with the city and it
really provides them with a couple of
[50:37] assurances. The first is that the city
is willing to work with them that we're
[50:42] not going to put up roadblocks. We're
not going to try to stop them. We've
[50:47] assured them that uh if they can put
together a viable project that the city
[50:51] would be very happy to work with them
and try to find a way to make it
[50:55] successful. Uh the other thing this
agreement does is it protects their
[50:59] intellectual property. They want to make
sure that if they develop designs for
[51:03] the property that uh those designs don't
get handed over to another developer or
[51:08] shopped around to find someone else to
build it. Um it it's a little more than
[51:15] we would normally even than is normally
even requested at this stage in the
[51:20] development, but they have a standup
procedure because they do work in many
[51:26] different uh jurisdictions. So they
presented this agreement. I've been
[51:31] through it and made some pretty
significant edits to it to make it uh
[51:36] palatable for the city and also to be in
compliance with Indiana open records
[51:41] laws. So, they've asked to present this
agreement and uh we're asking for your
[51:48] approval to uh be able to partner and
move forward with Future Habitat, Inc.
[51:55] And I know the agreement is long and
there's a lot of boilerplate legal
[51:59] language in it. Um that's because they
normally have their agreements with
[52:05] property owners and private entities. So
they need a lot more protections in
[52:09] those areas. We took that same form of
agreement and like I said, I edited it
[52:14] to make it appropriate for a municipal
agreement.
[52:19] And this is exclusive just for the
habitat.
[52:24] » The agreement.
>> So the agreement would be specifically
[52:27] between the city of Plymouth and Future
Habitat Inc. But it is a nonexclusive
[52:34] agreement. It does not give them any
exclusive rights either to certain
[52:38] properties or certain types of
developments within the city. um that
[52:42] particular property. They my
understanding is that they already have
[52:46] an agreement with the owner and the city
would not have any direct involvement in
[52:51] that. Now, as the project develops,
there may be some other
[52:56] collaboration with the city, but as of
right now, there's nothing specific to
[52:59] any property in this agreement.
>> And just so I'm clear, it doesn't mean
[53:04] that uh Mr. Burgerer could get one of
these two for his plans not to be given
[53:10] out. I mean, I I guess I'm just never
seen this just totally lost and there's
[53:15] a lot of geography that at this point
don't understand it. Sorry.
[53:19] So, maybe the best way to simplify it is
what this agreement really says is that
[53:25] we're not going to get three steps down
the road toward this project with Future
[53:30] Habitat and then secretly take their
plans to Mr. Burgerer and ask him if he
[53:36] could step in and take over. Um, if Mr.
Burgerer asked for the same type of
[53:41] agreement. I think it would also be
appropriate if he had any concerns that
[53:46] the city would might do that to him.
>> So, this is just basically a disclosure
[53:50] when they bring something in that we're
not going to give it out to anybody.
[53:55] » Yeah. We're not going to pull the rug
out from under them and try to push them
[53:59] out.
>> Now, I I I think that Mr. Burgerer knows
[54:04] the city well enough that he trusts us
without having this in writing. Um, like
[54:09] I said, Future Habitat is a new company.
They don't know us and we don't know
[54:12] them yet. So, uh, everybody is kind of
proceeding with caution until we know
[54:19] for sure.
>> Well, now I can see Mr. Burgerer
[54:22] starting to request something like this.
>> Now he's got the idea.
[54:28] » It It is a public record. So, yes, if
you'd like a copy, be happy to give you
[54:33] a copy. I
>> I have a couple questions.
[54:35] » Sure. Uh one is the termination clause
which seemed uh very one way. Uh there
[54:43] wasn't any termination of the agreement
unless there's a breach uh of the
[54:50] contract.
Does this go for any pro uh property
[54:56] that they buy in Plymouth that we're
going to do whatever they do want to do?
[55:03] So
[55:08] yes, the the termination clause or the
the contract itself would apply to any
[55:15] projects that Future Habitat would seek
to undertake in the city. Um to be
[55:21] honest, I wasn't too concerned about the
termination clause because there's
[55:24] really no obligation in this contract
for the city. Um there there are no
[55:30] deliverables. There's no action required
by the city. So
[55:35] » we're agreeing to give them a fast
track. Sounds like
[55:39] » well actually their fast track is longer
than what is required by statute. So
[55:48] I I guess you know we ran into issues
with that property with the prior owner
[55:53] because they didn't comply to what the
uh BVA asked them to do. uh they wanted
[56:01] to take some shortcuts. I just feel
maybe that that we're losing some of our
[56:08] quality control
uh with this agreement. Uh I just think
[56:14] it needs to be vetted more. I I ran a a
better business uh report and there were
[56:22] several complaints about this company.
Um have no idea what their credit rating
[56:28] is. their Facebook page looked great,
but that was their Facebook page. Um,
[56:34] these these apartments, are they going
to be subsidized?
[56:39] » So, the the project is still being
developed. What they've presented to us
[56:44] would that they is that they would be
market rate apartments. Um they asked us
[56:50] what price range would be most
beneficial to the city and the
[56:55] information we provided them was based
on the housing studies both the local
[56:59] one and the Mayog housing study and we
explained to them some of the other
[57:04] projects we've looked at um specifically
targeting 80 to 120% of AMI which would
[57:11] be a standard workforce level market
rate housing uh that is the range that
[57:17] they are also interested in um we've not
seen any details. So if if those issues
[57:25] were to be presented, this does not
guarantee them any sort of zoning
[57:30] approval. So they would still have to go
through a variance process. Uh the
[57:35] property right now is not zoned for
multifamily and we don't have a zoning
[57:41] category for mixed use. So the only
commitment in this agreement is that we
[57:48] would assist them in applying for that
zoning approval. We can't guarantee, you
[57:53] can't guarantee
any zoning approval. That has to go
[57:57] through the BCA, which is a uh
independent quasi judicial board.
[58:05] So none of that can be waved and it's
certainly not waved by this agreement.
[58:11] So, I guess I still don't understand why
we need the agreement if they could,
[58:14] they've already entered into a purchase
agreement.
[58:17] » Um, they don't have a purchase
agreement. They have a development
[58:20] agreement with the property owner and
that is a private agreement. I have not
[58:25] seen the agreement. I don't know the
details. I just was told that they have
[58:28] an agreement in place. Um
there's a what's what's really contained
[58:35] in this partnership agreement is an
understanding that we will cooperate
[58:41] with them if they can continue to
develop this project that uh we will
[58:46] cooperate and help them seek the
necessary approvals.
[58:52] » No financial commitment on our part of
>> Absolutely no financial commitment.
[59:10] and and to some of your concerns, Dave,
really this is an unknown entity. Future
[59:17] Habitat is a very new organization. Uh
they don't have a track record that they
[59:22] can point to and we're very aware of
that. Um, Tai has been involved in the
[59:28] discussions. Uh, Dennis Manuel has been
involved in the discussions. Uh, the
[59:33] Facebook page looks great. What they've
told us they want to do sounds great for
[59:38] the city. Uh, we don't know yet if
they'll be able to deliver. We're just
[59:43] saying that uh, we're willing to work
with them and try to develop those
[59:47] plans.
>> I still don't understand. We work with
[59:51] Kevin and we don't have an agreement
like
[59:53] » Kevin's never asked for an agreement.
>> Yeah.
[59:56] » And and Kevin knows us and I I hope he
trusts us.
[1:00:01] » Well, we can take him to the bank on the
support down there. Things change from
[1:00:07] what we originally voted on. That just
scared me that we get that plan to make
[1:00:13] sure it doesn't change in the middle of
things if we sign this.
[1:00:17] So there would have to be a plan before
they can move forward with anything. If
[1:00:22] they ask for any uh um financial
incentives, then certainly you would
[1:00:28] have to review the plans. If they ask
for uh zoning variance, which they would
[1:00:33] need for what they've described, then
they would have to present plans. Um if
[1:00:38] they ask for a building permit, they
would have to present plans. So, we
[1:00:43] still have all of the normal processes.
Review by the TRC, approval by the
[1:00:50] building commissioner, approval by the
board of zoning appeals andor the plan
[1:00:55] commission depending on the procedure
they request.
[1:01:01] So this is market rate but uh this would
not have a
[1:01:06] competitive situation or a negative
impact on habitat for humanity. Is it
[1:01:11] the way this is understanding?
I mean, we're talking about future
[1:01:15] habitat, right?
>> Future habitat is not The only thing
[1:01:19] this has to do with Habitat for Humanity
is
[1:01:24] both entities happen to use the word
Habitat in their name.
[1:01:29] » Understand that. I just want to make
sure that there's no step on toes here.
[1:01:34] Good work here.
>> What's your thoughts on this?
[1:01:40] » Well, I'm going off my advice from my
attorney, but I do know that
[1:01:44] What's there's an absolute need for
housing in our communities and it's
[1:01:50] everywhere and we have a willing
developer that has shown a really strong
[1:01:55] interest and they've got a couple other
projects that they've tossed by uh that
[1:01:59] doesn't have much bearing on this but um
he also is the gentleman that presented
[1:02:05] the um
R2 is it
[1:02:09] » it's R squar
>> R squ
[1:02:11] » sustainable solution
>> for the aquatics center. Um, I can't
[1:02:15] think of his name right now.
>> Tony Rack.
[1:02:16] » Tony Rack. So, you all met him. He was
at a meeting. Um,
[1:02:24] I feel like, uh, based off my legal that
it be a safe bet for doesn't scare me.
[1:02:32] Um, the private developer there, have
you seen any of the buildings or
[1:02:38] anything that they're proposing?
>> Yeah, I saw some of them on on Facebook.
[1:02:43] Okay,
>> they look nice.
[1:02:50] » We have Mr. Buyers in the audience. Uh,
do you are you familiar with this group?
[1:02:55] » Never heard of this.
>> Yeah, they
[1:02:59] » he wouldn't have any reason.
[1:03:05] » I just don't think it's necessary
to do a development.
[1:03:12] It's a contract.
>> I mean, you risk the chance of I don't
[1:03:15] know. You think they would back out of
the deal if we don't agree to this?
[1:03:18] » I'm not sure that uh they would proceed
without some sort of assurance in place.
[1:03:25] And I I think that's just a a routine
process for them. Um
[1:03:32] like I said the
they they work in different
[1:03:38] jurisdictions with different
requirements everywhere. So they're
[1:03:42] looking for a standard
check box that uh they have compliance
[1:03:48] with the city and cooperation.
>> Feels like to me that it's probably
[1:03:54] something that their investor pool
requires.
[1:03:58] So, whoever's doing the investing
probably wants this box checked. Um,
[1:04:04] that's what it sounds like to me. But
it's
[1:04:12] Would you some Would you like somebody
You want to have somebody else take a
[1:04:16] look at this a little closer? We can
>> I just think they need to be vetted.
[1:04:23] I mean, I just looked at it after the
packet came in Thursday. I didn't even
[1:04:29] at this.
>> We we did take some stuff out of it that
[1:04:32] was original. I mean, you may change.
>> I would like to see a a termination
[1:04:37] where we can get out of the agreement if
we want to. For one,
[1:04:42] » we can go back to them with that as a a
requested edit. Is there anything
[1:04:48] specific that you'd like to see there?
>> A termination? Uh
[1:04:54] » what would you like it to say? Well, you
can
[1:04:58] » I mean I I
[1:05:03] termination from either party and give
it so many days. That's kind of what
[1:05:08] what I'm used to seeing.
>> I don't want to enter into something
[1:05:12] that's
>> okay.
[1:05:14] » Even if we add different termination
language to it, the really the primary
[1:05:21] part of this agreement which is
protection of intellectual property is
[1:05:26] going to survive that termination.
>> I don't have it be
[1:05:34] » I just think we should either
take no action or table it and and do
[1:05:41] some more research on the on the
company. Um
[1:05:47] why don't we do um
[1:05:52] why don't you just share the concerns
that the board's unfamiliar with this
[1:05:56] contract and that they're taking a
little bit of caution and totally agree
[1:06:02] with the uh non-disclosure of
proprietary information. I mean you
[1:06:08] agree with all that right? Uh totally
agree with that. Any other intellectual
[1:06:14] pro anything like that kind of stuff if
they can word it more
[1:06:18] » towards that.
>> Yeah.
[1:06:23] » And then same time we don't want to turn
them away either if they're
[1:06:28] » I'll make a motion. We table request.
[1:06:33] » Did you say
>> I'm sorry. Yes.
[1:06:35] » Sorry for
you.
[1:06:39] » I know. Yeah. All right. We have a
motion and a second. Any further
[1:06:43] discussion?
>> Can I say something? Can I ask a
[1:06:47] question?
>> If you guys sign that agreement, does
[1:06:50] that give them blanket authority to
greenlight any project they decide to
[1:06:55] buy?
>> No, it it doesn't give them any
[1:06:58] authority. Um, no development can be
done without all of the other approvals
[1:07:02] that are required by any other
development. And it is very specifically
[1:07:07] a non-exclusive agreement. So, it
doesn't give them any rights to shut out
[1:07:11] competitors.
>> It's simply it's basically an assurance
[1:07:16] to them that the city does want them to
proceed with uh trying to develop a
[1:07:22] project and that we won't take their
designs and shop them around other
[1:07:27] developers.
>> So, it's basically an NDA
[1:07:30] » more or less.
It's actually less than an NDA because
[1:07:35] it uh it does specifically reference
Indiana law for open records. So, you
[1:07:41] know,
except very limited circumstances, we
[1:07:45] can't even maintain confidentiality of
the information. All we can do is notify
[1:07:50] them that the records have been
requested and we have to follow state
[1:07:52] law.
>> They've been pretty reasonable on
[1:07:56] everything else you've asked them to
change in it. Yeah,
[1:07:59] » this would be
>> Yeah, I' I've had some some great
[1:08:02] conversations with their corporate
attorney about uh Indiana law and what's
[1:08:07] required. So,
>> all right. So,
[1:08:09] » have they done other projects in the
state of Indiana?
[1:08:13] » Uh, this would be the first one in
Indiana. They actually have not
[1:08:16] completed this entity has not completed
any projects yet. They have some
[1:08:20] projects underway in Florida and Texas.
Um like I said the the partners of the
[1:08:28] entity come from uh long industry
backgrounds but uh
[1:08:33] » all in their own niche
>> right
[1:08:35] » so like the arts square found
>> yeah Tony R is also the president of R
[1:08:40] squared sustainable solutions um I
believe they installed the solar array
[1:08:46] on top of the ree theater and they're
currently um in discussions with the
[1:08:50] aquatic center to try to identify some
uh um energy saving opportunities there.
[1:08:57] So Tony is president of that company.
>> He is the chief sustainability officer
[1:09:04] for Future Habitat Inc.
[1:09:08] » And then they've got other specialists.
There are experts in various areas from
[1:09:15] engineering and design to um zoning and
land use that have come together from
[1:09:22] their back different backgrounds to form
this new entity.
[1:09:29] » Yeah. Um these are manufactured in a
factory setting. That's the way I
[1:09:34] understand it. Um
um
[1:09:40] kind of a
Uh and then they're brought in and
[1:09:43] stacked and I think even Mr. Burgers
talked about something like that too.
[1:09:48] But uh
and then they've even talked about find
[1:09:53] a place to manufacture looking for
space. I mean so
[1:09:59] I think that's we got a motion and we
have a second. Is there any more?
[1:10:04] » I think that's a good plan. We can
>> Yeah, we can certainly
[1:10:07] » go back to them and and
>> something we're not have conversations
[1:10:11] with
>> any members of the board about specific
[1:10:15] concerns you have and what you'd like to
see in the agreement.
[1:10:17] » Check it out.
>> Take it back to them.
[1:10:19] » All in favor say I.
>> I. Those opposed? Nay.
[1:10:24] » Okay.
[1:10:29] » That's all I have right now.
>> Okay.
[1:10:33] Lyn,
good evening.
[1:10:35] » Good evening.
[1:10:39] So,
we have before you resolution 2025
[1:10:45] 11167, a resolution of the Plymouth
Board of Public Works and Safety
[1:10:50] Committee establishing the date and time
for Halloween 2025.
[1:11:00] » So, be on Halloween.
>> It'll be on Halloween.
[1:11:05] » Do you need me to read the resolution?
[1:11:09] Didn't you do a funny one last year? She
did.
[1:11:11] » Well, this one is kind of
>> Let read it.
[1:11:14] » This one's This one's different this
year.
[1:11:16] » Okay.
>> Whereas the city of Plymouth
[1:11:20] acknowledges the rich for folklore,
mysterious whispers, and spectral
[1:11:26] sightings
that have long haunted the heartland.
[1:11:32] Whereas Halloween offers the perfect
occasion to honor our ghostly heritage,
[1:11:38] celebrate the supernatural, and invite
residents to rival in the eerie beauty
[1:11:44] of the season.
Now therefore, be it result that the
[1:11:49] spirits of our community are free to
roam the neighborhoods on Friday,
[1:11:54] October 31st from 5 to 7:00 p.m.
Be it further resolved that the PL that
[1:12:01] Plymouth shall embrace its haunted heart
of with pride, transforming Halloween
[1:12:07] into a celebration of mystery, memory,
and community spirit where every shadow
[1:12:14] tells a story and every whisper might be
a ghost.
[1:12:23] » I like it. I like it.
>> I'll entertain a motion. moved. We have
[1:12:29] a motion and a second. Any further
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor
[1:12:34] say I. I.
>> Oppos? Nay. Very good.
[1:12:39] » Okay.
Now we are down to requests.
[1:12:45] » You have
two ground.
[1:12:52] » We have a request this evening to place
a dumpster at 520 East Street. actually
[1:12:57] on the Liberty Street side um by Steve
Glosski. And Steve, would you like to
[1:13:03] come up here and discuss this?
[1:13:10] » No relation.
[1:13:14] » No blood.
>> Good evening, Steve Gorski, 805 Baker
[1:13:17] Street. Thanks for your time tonight. My
amazing wife and I are in the process of
[1:13:23] purchasing 520 East Garrow Street. It's
just down the road at the corner of
[1:13:28] Liberty in Garrow Street. It's the pink
house and we're requesting to be able to
[1:13:34] put a dumpster along Liberty Street.
It'll be at least a minimum of 75 ft
[1:13:39] away from the corner of Liberty and
Garrow Street, the intersection there.
[1:13:45] The house, we need this uh the driveway
will put a 30 yard container in it. The
[1:13:51] um driveway is not long enough and it
would we're going to need a 30 yard
[1:13:56] container. The house has got a lot of
debris in it. Put it nicely. So, we
[1:14:02] request to be able to put a it'll be a
30-yard trash hopper on the west side of
[1:14:08] Liberty Street approximately at a
minimum of 75 ft from the corner of
[1:14:14] Liberty and Geral Street.
[1:14:19] » Thank you. Yeah. and it will be for no
more than seven days.
[1:14:26] So, we're going to have to work hard.
>> Make a motion we approve the request.
[1:14:31] » Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion to second. Any
[1:14:33] further discussion? Hearing none. All in
favor say I.
[1:14:36] » I.
>> Those opposed? Nay.
[1:14:38] » Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thanks for doing that.
[1:14:47] » All right. Our final request this
evening
[1:14:50] um comes from
Laura Man from Ocean and City
[1:14:55] Coordinator requesting the closure of
State Road 17/M
[1:15:00] Street from the Fork Street to Adam
Street for the annual lighting holiday
[1:15:06] parade from 6 p.m. until 6:30 p.m. An
INDOT permit has already been secured.
[1:15:14] The date of this event will be Saturday,
November 29th.
[1:15:22] » Sorry. Christmas tree lighting ceremony
at the end of all that.
[1:15:26] » Thank you.
>> Second.
[1:15:28] » I have a motion a second. All in favor
or any further discussion?
[1:15:32] All
>> in favor say I.
[1:15:35] » I.
>> Those opposed? Nay.
[1:15:43] Okay. Somebody like to make a motion on
the approval of claims, please move.
[1:15:48] » Second.
>> Okay. We have a motion, a second. Any
[1:15:51] further discussion? All in favor say I.
I.
[1:15:54] » Those opposed? Nay.
[1:15:57] » Acceptance of communications.
[1:16:02] » Motion.
>> Second.
[1:16:04] » Any further discussion?
>> All in favor say I. I.
[1:16:07] » Those opposed? Nay. And now number 10.
>> Very good. We'll take about two or three
[1:16:13] minutes and then we'll get right into
our next meeting.
[1:22:31] like to call to order the September 22
22 22nd 2025 U common council meeting.
[1:22:41] Council member,
>> join me in prayer, please. Gracious God,
[1:22:44] we
can't thank you enough for the
[1:22:46] opportunity to come together tonight to
discuss the needs of this great city. We
[1:22:51] continue to seek your guidance and your
wisdom and everything that we do, not
[1:22:55] only at this level, but also within the
departments and the department heads and
[1:22:58] the employees that work within those
departments. We ask that you continue to
[1:23:02] provide safety, make them aware of one
another, and look out for one another.
[1:23:07] Lord, we continue to pray for not only
the city, but the state of Indiana, the
[1:23:11] country, and the world. We continue to
seek your guidance in all that we do.
[1:23:15] These things we ask in your name. Amen.
>> Amen.
[1:23:19] » Thank you. Join me in the pledge of
allegiance.
[1:23:24] » I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic
[1:23:30] for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible with liberty and
[1:23:36] justice for all.
>> Thank you.
[1:23:41] Here
[Applause]
[1:23:45] we go.
>> Roll call, please.
[1:23:50] » Call
>> here.
[1:23:52] » Hecker
>> here.
[1:23:53] » Wall
>> here.
[1:23:54] » Water
>> here.
[1:23:55] » Builder
>> here.
[1:23:56] » Maro
>> here.
[1:23:58] » Star
>> here.
[1:24:00] » Thank you. I entertain a motion to
approve the minutes from our September
[1:24:04] 8th meet meeting.
>> Move to approve the minutes.
[1:24:08] » Second.
>> Have a motion and a second. Any further
[1:24:10] discussion hearing? None. All in favor
say I.
[1:24:13] » I.
>> Those opposed? Nay. Thank you.
[1:24:19] » All right. Anything from the board this
evening?
[1:24:23] » Your honor, if I may. Um
about uh late last year I reached out to
[1:24:30] Patriot Rail regarding the rail crossing
on Lake Avenue and we were given a
[1:24:37] initially a commitment that it would be
done by the end of the second quarter
[1:24:41] which would have been June 30th. That
has come and gone obviously but during
[1:24:45] that time I have been in contact
consistently with them and thought we
[1:24:51] were going to have something in July.
Then we got into some issues. You have
[1:24:56] to have this approval, that approval
from the state. You have to get a hold
[1:24:59] of a flagger. You got to do this. You
got to do that. A lot of things I
[1:25:01] learned. Uh, and I reached out to Jim
Marquette for some assistance. And Jim
[1:25:06] has been very helpful as well. Um, and I
followed up again today. I've been doing
[1:25:11] this about every two to three weeks just
to let them know that we know it needs
[1:25:15] to be done and that they had committed
to having it done. And it was through
[1:25:19] the uh media that helped raise this
awareness as you recall and get this
[1:25:24] thing moving. So, first of all, I want
to thank uh AM1050 and the Plymouth
[1:25:29] Pilot News as well for helping our cause
here. But I the latest update I have is
[1:25:35] I received a a email from a gentleman by
the name of Allan Woodyard
[1:25:40] uh with Patriot Rail and basically what
it's reading it says I've received a
[1:25:44] quote looking for updates and the latest
one was I received a quote for the
[1:25:47] flagging detour plans. So that box is
checked. However,
[1:25:52] however, INDOT requires that utility
locates be handled via their portal. to
[1:25:59] request such locates. We are required to
register with INDOT and as of the last
[1:26:04] time I checked this morning, our
application to register has not been
[1:26:08] approved. Uh they are ready to complete
this as soon as the utility locate item
[1:26:12] is addressed. So this is the latest we
have on this project. Uh I know it seems
[1:26:19] cumbersome. It is. But nonetheless, uh,
the mayor's given me the okay to
[1:26:24] continue to pursue, continue to be a
pain or a thorn or however you want to
[1:26:28] describe it. And I will admit to them
I'm disappointed. I told them I'm
[1:26:34] disappointed that it's not done, but we
are going to continue to see that we get
[1:26:38] this accomplished. And so, uh, I just
your support in this, the public
[1:26:44] support, encouragement to to them to
end, whatever it takes, Jack, Jordan,
[1:26:50] whoever we need to help get this project
across the finish line would be great
[1:26:54] uh, greatly appreciated. I'm hoping we
can get this thing done in October, Jim.
[1:26:58] That's my hope. Uh, we get into
November, I know the asphalt companies
[1:27:03] start shutting down. So, we need to stay
on top of this. We need to continue to
[1:27:08] pursue this and I will continue to do
that. But I appreciate the mayor's
[1:27:12] support.
>> I appreciate you staying at it with them
[1:27:15] because that's what it takes. And
>> Jimmy, have you heard of that?
[1:27:20] » That after
[1:27:27] » after reading that email too, that one
kind of threw me on the whole locations
[1:27:31] through the portal because I mean locate
through 811. Then I got thinking, we
[1:27:35] were talking about it a little this
afternoon, maybe it's for INDOTs because
[1:27:39] I don't believe they're a member of 811.
So I don't know if to request INDOT to
[1:27:44] come look at something, make sure they
have nothing if they have a portal for
[1:27:47] that. I don't know. That one was kind of
threw me when I read that.
[1:27:50] » I say in the 30 years I've done, I've
never heard of that one, but that's
[1:27:52] » but I know INDOT does not fully respond
to the 811 system. So
[1:27:57] » because all our guys do INDOT work and
we're registered through 811. We call
[1:28:01] 811 and that's
>> Yeah. So, I'm not really sure what that
[1:28:03] was, but that was kind of
>> on that, Randy. And I'll follow that up.
[1:28:07] I'll forward that on to Mr. Woodyard and
>> just continue
[1:28:12] guys, but I've never heard that. I've
never I've done
[1:28:16] » work with INDOT and I've never had to go
through an additional training 811.
[1:28:22] » That's good to know.
>> That was an interesting one.
[1:28:24] » Okay.
>> But I'd like to, you know, like I said,
[1:28:26] continue to try to get this one across
the finish line.
[1:28:31] Well, I I appreciate that and keep at it
if you will,
[1:28:36] » but I appreciate their will. They're
continuing to respond to us.
[1:28:40] » I have one thing and I just asked Jim to
stay because he's going to have to
[1:28:44] answer that one, too. The most asked
question is when will the bridge be
[1:28:49] drivable acades
removed? So,
[1:28:56] um, on Linda's question about that, I
have not seen a
[1:29:01] bridge report from Friday or today. Last
week, it was a few days.
[1:29:06] » We got one on Monday last week,
>> right? So, that one was a little late,
[1:29:09] so I'm sure we'll get one. That one
talked about finishing the handrail,
[1:29:13] regroving or putting some grooves in the
road,
[1:29:16] » lighting
>> and lighting. I believe Michanna is
[1:29:20] working on the lighting, which Randy
might not know that part if you
[1:29:23] » I know it.
>> Okay. So, I think they're working on the
[1:29:26] lighting and getting conduit in. It
looked like a lot more concrete was
[1:29:29] poured. It looked like most of the
railing was up, the metal on top. So, my
[1:29:34] guess goes you. Once again, it's still a
county project, but I still would hope
[1:29:39] the next few weeks, but don't know an
exact date yet, but it is getting close
[1:29:44] and it's looking pretty good in there.
Okay, just do that.
[1:29:51] » Anything else tonight?
>> Quick ink conduit and we got some
[1:29:56] handles set in for that bridge and
we're still probably a month out from
[1:30:02] getting the lighting controller. So,
[1:30:07] » yeah,
>> pretty good. a little bit different
[1:30:09] lighting control,
>> but yeah, basically I mean
[1:30:13] end October is what we were told before
we'd have the Tesco lighting cabinet.
[1:30:18] So,
>> okay. Anything else from the board
[1:30:21] tonight? Okay. I don't know who's going
to present their ordinances that who's
[1:30:25] doing it.
>> Okay.
[1:30:32] » Okay. You have a couple of ordinances
for second third reading. The first is
[1:30:36] ordinance number 2025-2249,
[1:30:40] an ordinance for appropriations and tax
rates for 2026.
[1:30:55] Make a motion we approve 2025-2249
on second reading.
[1:31:01] Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
[1:31:03] further discussion? Hearing
none. Roll call vote, please.
[1:31:10] » Councilman Call,
>> yes.
[1:31:12] » Ecker,
>> yes.
[1:31:13] » Crackwell,
>> yes.
[1:31:14] » Logan Ecker,
>> yes.
[1:31:16] » Melder,
>> yes.
[1:31:17] » Maro,
>> yes.
[1:31:19] » Star,
>> yes.
[1:31:22] » Very good. Okay, that was second
reading. You also need to pass it on a
[1:31:25] third reading.
>> Make a motion to pass uh ordinance
[1:31:30] 2025-2249
on third reading.
[1:31:34] Second
>> motion and a second. Any further
[1:31:36] discussion?
>> Roll call vote, please.
[1:31:39] » Councilman Call,
>> yes.
[1:31:41] » Ecker,
>> yes.
[1:31:42] » Crapall,
>> yes.
[1:31:43] » Longer,
>> yes.
[1:31:45] » Melder,
>> yes.
[1:31:46] » Maro,
>> yes.
[1:31:47] » Star,
>> yes.
[1:31:50] » Okay. The next item is ordinance number
2025-2250,
[1:31:55] an ordinance fixing salaries for the
year 2026 for the elected officials of
[1:31:59] the city of Plymouth, Indiana.
[1:32:06] Make a motion to pass ordinance 202522
50 on second.
[1:32:14] » Second.
>> We have a motion in a second. Any
[1:32:16] further discussion?
Roll call vote, please.
[1:32:20] » Councilman Co,
>> yes.
[1:32:23] » Ecker,
>> yes.
[1:32:25] » Yes.
>> Logan,
[1:32:26] » yes.
>> Milder,
[1:32:27] » yes.
>> Maro,
[1:32:28] » yes.
>> Star,
[1:32:30] » yes.
[1:32:33] You have a second reading. You still
need a third reading.
[1:32:35] » Make a motion we approve 2025-2250.
Third reading. Second.
[1:32:41] » Have a motion and second. Any further
discussion? We'll call vote, please.
[1:32:46] » Councilman call.
>> Yes.
[1:32:48] » Yes.
>> Wall.
[1:32:50] » Yes.
>> Worker.
[1:32:52] » Yes.
>> Mother.
[1:32:53] » Yes.
>> Maro.
[1:32:54] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[1:32:57] » Okay. Okay. Moving down the agenda, I
think the next item is discussion of
[1:33:04] updates to the ADA transition plan. So
the ADA transition plan is our report
[1:33:11] that shows where in the city we are
focused on um improving or creating uh
[1:33:19] ADA uh structures for sidewalks at
intersections. Uh Ken Vores before he
[1:33:27] moved on to another opportunity worked
very hard in our engineering department
[1:33:32] to update this plan um specifically
identifying intersections that had
[1:33:38] already been improved and uh determining
the priorities for the city moving
[1:33:43] forward. You can see that's all laid out
in the plan. There is no action required
[1:33:49] tonight. This is being presented to you
forformational purposes. It will be
[1:33:55] advertised and a comment period begins
so that anyone in the public can review
[1:34:00] this and present comments. It will come
back to you at your second meeting in
[1:34:05] October for final consideration. And I
understand from Kyle that it is now up
[1:34:12] on the city's website as well. So, if
any member of the public wants to review
[1:34:16] this plan, they can obtain it through
the website electronically or they can
[1:34:21] come into the city office and request a
hard copy.
[1:34:27] But like I said, no action is required
from you tonight.
[1:34:31] So, we can move on to resolution number.
>> We got you. Lyn has a donation. She
[1:34:38] wants to have a donation. Sorry. Came in
late.
[1:34:43] » No problem.
want to apologize for
[1:34:47] » city of Plymouth has received a donation
from Jean Sponsor in memory of Brian
[1:34:53] Rens in the amount of $250 to be used
for the mayor's summer view music. I'm
[1:34:59] asking if you wish to accept this
donation with the restricted terms,
[1:35:03] conditions, and purpose attached to the
donation. If so, the donation will be
[1:35:08] receded into the monetary gift fund.
>> So moved. Second.
[1:35:13] » Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
further discussion?
[1:35:16] » All in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:35:18] » Those opposed? Nay.
>> Okay, Jeff.
[1:35:21] » Okay, now we can move on to resolution
number 2025-1168,
[1:35:26] a resolution of the city of Plymouth
Common Council authorizing the clerk
[1:35:29] treasurer to transfer funds from the
rainy day fund to the unsafe building
[1:35:33] fund. I think you were all here and
heard the discussion during the board of
[1:35:36] public works and safety meeting about
the point and the stay of the demolition
[1:35:42] order for 30 days pending a possible
sale and uh improvements to that
[1:35:47] property. So, as I stated during that
meeting, I recommend that you proceed
[1:35:53] with transferring the funds and expect
to see a resolution for an additional
[1:36:00] appropriation at your next meeting. uh
this is so that you can keep the process
[1:36:04] moving. If for some reason that sale
were to fall through then we don't want
[1:36:09] to start over from the very beginning.
>> So as of right now that demolition order
[1:36:15] is stayed but uh like I said I recommend
that you proceed with this transfer of
[1:36:20] funds.
Just a quick question. If this does not
[1:36:25] continue as far as the demolition and
what have you, the funds that's in
[1:36:29] there, can we move it back to the rainy
day fund if we don't need it?
[1:36:41] » Yes, we could. However, however,
[1:36:46] » in your um approval of the um budget
ordinance for 2026,
[1:36:53] the um there is not enough cash if we
could proceed with this demolition.
[1:37:00] There would not be enough cash in there
to fund the budget
[1:37:05] for 2026.
So if this doesn't get spent for this
[1:37:11] demolition, then it would just remain in
the unsafe building fund for any future
[1:37:20] demolitions or legal advertising that
needs to be done for unsafe buildings.
[1:37:27] » Thank you.
>> That helps a lot. Thank you.
[1:37:32] » Do we know what our spec was on from the
contract? how many days they had to hold
[1:37:36] their price.
>> I don't recall that being specified in
[1:37:40] the contract itself. Um I think that'll
have to be something the building
[1:37:44] commissioner can discuss with the uh the
contractor to determine if they'll hold
[1:37:49] that price or to review their quotes
just to see if they stated it on there.
[1:37:54] » We'll suggest that to Dennis and see if
he can clarify.
[1:38:01] I'd make a motion to pass resolution
2025-1168.
[1:38:06] » Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
[1:38:09] further discussion?
I'm just going to do it quick. All in
[1:38:13] favor say I.
>> Those opposed, nay.
[1:38:17] » Very good.
>> Next, you have resolution number
[1:38:20] 2025-1169.
a resolution of the city of Plymouth
[1:38:24] declaring certain real estate to be
within an economic revitalization area,
[1:38:29] excuse me, pursuant to Indiana code
61.112.1
[1:38:34] for American Containers, Inc., this is a
application for a tax abatement and you
[1:38:41] have the SP1 in your packet and I'll
remind you that this is the first step
[1:38:47] in the process. This is the uh
declaratory resolution and uh if you
[1:38:53] approve this then there would be a
public hearing and a confirmatory
[1:38:57] resolution at your next meeting to
finalize the tax payment. I believe that
[1:39:03] uh Shively from MCDC and representatives
of American containers are here tonight
[1:39:08] if you have any questions for them.
[1:39:14] » Any questions? I know that uh Greg
Hildebrand had a previously scheduled
[1:39:19] commitment and um so we got an upgrade
to Lorna tonight representing MCBC.
[1:39:30] » Be kind. This is the first time I've
done this. It'll be great.
[1:39:36] So with the uh with the application for
this tax abatement, I can tell you that
[1:39:42] the equipment investment from American
Container is $5.8 million.
[1:39:48] They will be retaining 73 employees and
conservatively adding two employees and
[1:39:55] the wages for these jobs start at $23 an
hour and benefits and retirement pension
[1:40:02] plans are on top of that. So the $23 an
hour is the baseline
[1:40:08] and that's what I can tell you. And the
gentlemen are here if you have if you
[1:40:13] want to see pictures. I know they all
have piles that they can share the
[1:40:16] pictures and I think you've seen those
and
[1:40:19] so this is a good thing for the
community.
[1:40:22] » You want to add anybody
>> come right on up. Yep.
[1:40:35] Thank you. And I would also ask that you
be kind even though this is not my first
[1:40:39] time in front of you.
Um well, first of all, Mr. Mayor,
[1:40:45] council members,
madam treasurer, it is always an honor
[1:40:50] to be in front of this group in a
community that has done so well for
[1:40:54] American containers and we hope we've
returned that to the community as well.
[1:40:58] Um what we are uh faced with is an
opportunity to expand in our uh box
[1:41:05] making standard carton making portion of
our business. We have three main lakes
[1:41:10] that we specialize in. One of which is
corrugated honeycomb that we sold at one
[1:41:16] time to Young Door Corporation which is
the building we now occupy uh which
[1:41:21] became Jeldwin but that is a specialized
area and we have developed that over the
[1:41:25] years and keep making investments into
that ongoingly. Secondly we uh do a
[1:41:32] significant amount of business in with
the pharmaceutical industry
[1:41:36] uh highdensity polyethylene and
polyropylene packaging. We manufacture.
[1:41:42] We sold to people like Fizer, Amgen,
Eli, Lily, Gehimer. We sell not only to
[1:41:48] the pharmaceutical firms themselves, but
also to the glass makers and many of
[1:41:54] those are based in Germany and in
Europe, but have facilities here in the
[1:41:58] states. We do export product to Ireland
and Italy uh with significant uh
[1:42:04] shipments that again when you allowed us
our variance and Jim and the street
[1:42:12] department and we all worked together
and we were able to expand our building
[1:42:16] as we did two just over two years ago
that allowed us to invest and we put in
[1:42:21] equipment and expanded greatly because
of the demands of the pandemic and
[1:42:26] considerable growth that we've uh
maintained since. So those two areas we
[1:42:31] are fairly well up to date on technology
and capacity. But our box making
[1:42:37] equipment as I tried to explain to some
of you and I'm sorry I missed some of
[1:42:41] the meeting uh my wife had a medical
appointment but um there are 1,400
[1:42:47] corrugated box plants in the United
States. We have three and so we are the
[1:42:54] tail, not the dog. But we have some
great positions within organizations.
[1:43:00] And in 2020 when we expanded our
facility in California, we made an
[1:43:06] investment into an EMBA printing flexo
folder gluer. It was the biggest
[1:43:12] investment we had made in a piece of
equipment. It has dramatically affected
[1:43:18] the success and growth and our
capabilities to sell packaging
[1:43:22] throughout the state of California. And
we have some fantastic
[1:43:27] blue chip collar type of uh customers
there. And what I'm going to ask u Pete
[1:43:34] to explain to you our general manager
just about a little bit of the
[1:43:37] capabilities of the equipment that might
resolve any questions you have. Its
[1:43:43] capabilities are so dramatic in
efficiency to where we stand now and
[1:43:48] secondly in quality control. It is the
standard that the rest of the world goes
[1:43:53] by. The company is named is EMBA and
they are out of Sweden and that piece of
[1:44:00] equipment has made our plant literally
more successful than it had ever been in
[1:44:08] California in the first eight years of
its existence. the last five years, the
[1:44:12] development and growth of our box
business there has just absolutely taken
[1:44:18] off and it's been tremendous. So, as we
stand here today, I'll just summarize
[1:44:22] that our opportunity is for a customer
named Amgen, which a very large
[1:44:27] pharmaceutical. You may see their name
on television with uh pharmaceutical
[1:44:32] commercials. We sell them packaging in
Columbus, Ohio that we are manufacturing
[1:44:40] and shipping from Stockton, California
because that's the only piece of
[1:44:45] equipment that will meet their rigid
quality standards.
[1:44:50] So, we know that our customer is being
patient at the moment, but that freight
[1:44:55] bill from California is significant and
they're going to want us in Indiana to
[1:45:00] have this equipment. And that's why
we're advancing this project and
[1:45:04] purchase orders so that we can put into
Plymouth in our existing building the
[1:45:10] same uh I would call it the EMBA 2.0.
They've made some upgrades, but it's
[1:45:16] virtually the same piece of equipment we
have in California. So that's our
[1:45:21] background. We will add conservatively
two jobs. We know that it will be more,
[1:45:27] but we're going to have to absolutely
get some of the top trained people to
[1:45:31] run this piece of equipment. It is PLC
controlled. And when I started in the
[1:45:37] business, everything was handfed, letter
press, mechanically adjusted, you
[1:45:43] cranked on a lever. It just doesn't work
that way anymore. We need better trained
[1:45:48] uh people as operators for this. So
Pete, could you just take a minute to
[1:45:53] please explain a little bit about Does
anybody not have some information that
[1:45:57] would like a copy of this? We have Okay,
anyone does, please. Pete. Sure. Sure.
[1:46:03] Thank you for the opportunity to present
for you. As Mike said, I'm Pete Weedoff.
[1:46:07] I'm the general manager at the Indiana
location. Uh so this machine um has got
[1:46:13] the the best technology that I've seen
in 30 plus years in the packaging
[1:46:17] industry.
uh this customer Amgen that Mike has
[1:46:21] talked about is requiring quality
specifications
[1:46:25] tighter than our industry standard and
so far this machine is the only machine
[1:46:30] that we found in the market that can
maintain those standards consistently.
[1:46:35] So not only will it en enable us to uh
provide that good quality not only for
[1:46:41] that customer but for the rest of our
customer base and give us an opportunity
[1:46:44] to grow for more sophisticated customers
that require that type of quality uh
[1:46:51] aspect of it. In addition, this machine
is almost double the speed capability of
[1:46:58] our fastest machine that we have in
Plymouth today. So it really hits two
[1:47:03] points. The quality, the control that we
can maintain with that plus some speed
[1:47:08] to be able to grow uh and continue to
grow in in Plymouth as they have over 60
[1:47:13] years. So any questions?
One, first of all, thanks for giving me
[1:47:20] as much time as you guys did last week.
I had a lot of questions. It was great.
[1:47:25] » It was fun. One question I failed to ask
though is how many shifts will this
[1:47:30] machine run? Is this a one shift, eight
hour shift, 12 hour shift?
[1:47:34] » Right. So, currently the plan is like
our current operation, we have four
[1:47:38] 10-hour shifts.
>> Four 10our shift
[1:47:40] » and then Fridays are overtime if needed
if you know if there's more orders than
[1:47:44] what we can get done in four days. So,
[1:47:49] » 24 hours.
[1:47:53] Thank you.
>> Any other questions?
[1:47:56] All right. Thank you.
>> I have one question though. Is this 10
[1:48:01] year? Is it starting 100% going down 10%
or what? How many years is this for
[1:48:05] abandonment for?
>> So that'll be in the confirmatory
[1:48:10] resolution at your next meeting, but um
in the past our standard abatement scale
[1:48:18] has been based on a seven-year
abatement. However, because of changes
[1:48:23] in state law, um we're proposing to
reduce that to for personal property to
[1:48:30] a five-year abatement at a 20% phase in
per year. So again, that'll be in the
[1:48:37] resolution for your next meeting.
[1:48:46] » There's no other questions.
I'll make a motion to approve resolution
[1:48:50] 2025-1169.
>> Second.
[1:48:54] » Okay, we have a motion and we have a
second. Any further discussion?
[1:49:00] Hearing none. All in favor will say I.
>> I.
[1:49:03] » Those opposed? Nay.
Unanimous.
[1:49:08] » Mike, thank you.
>> Thank you all very much. I appreciate
[1:49:12] the time and the working together in
this community. We appreciate you being
[1:49:15] here.
>> Well, we plan to stay
[1:49:18] that.
>> Thanks, John. Appreciate you all. Good
[1:49:22] to see you. Good to see you. Take care.
>> I'm sorry I'm going to delay you all. I
[1:49:25] just
[1:49:33] Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
Thanks.
[1:49:39] » All right, Jeff.
>> Okay, next item is a one Marshall County
[1:49:43] update. So at the board meeting last
week, we saw a uh draft of the strategic
[1:49:49] plan and specifically um working to
identify um action items within the
[1:49:56] different the five different pillars of
one Marshall County. So again, it's a
[1:50:01] draft plan uh based on feedback from the
various committees and we're hoping to
[1:50:06] finalize that by next month. Um
comprehensive plan update. The one thing
[1:50:12] I want to share is I know that Tai
completed a review of all of the um
[1:50:20] goals and action steps in the
comprehensive plan. And in a plan that
[1:50:27] is anticipated to take um a decade or
two to complete if at all, we have now
[1:50:36] either started or completed
approximately 74% of the goals within
[1:50:44] the plan. So, there is a very real
possibility that we will need to update
[1:50:49] the comprehensive plan before the
expected end date because
[1:50:55] we're making fast progress. We're going
to run out of things to do. Um, that's
[1:51:00] the update I have for you. If you have
any other questions,
[1:51:04] was that a question?
>> No, we just
[1:51:10] » Okay, then that's all I have. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you.
[1:51:17] Okay.
Privilege of the floor directed to the
[1:51:22] agenda items only tonight's
anything.
[1:51:27] Very good. I'll entertain a motion to
approve the acceptance of communications
[1:51:32] in your packet.
>> I move to approve the acceptance of the
[1:51:35] communications.
>> Second.
[1:51:37] » Motion and second. Any further
discussion? All in favor say I. I. Those
[1:51:41] oppos. Number eight.
Thank you.
[1:51:44] » Second.