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And to turn this time over to the city attorney for report on the closed session. I mayor, members of the council. We had a closed session, a conference with legal counsel on anticipated litigation, but we do not have any reportable action. Great. We will adjourn this meeting to a meeting on Monday, October 3, 2022, that will take place in the council chambers located at 505 South Gary Avenue. I'm on a California closed session items will be discussed at 5 30 p.m. The open session will commence at 7 p.m. Just a reminder to everyone, please make sure that you

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Also a reminder, there's no eating and council chambers, but you certainly can drink water.

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Okay, we'll go ahead and move on to Spanish, if you need Spanish interpretation, I'll call you in a second.

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If you require Spanish interpretation, we do have a bilingual interpreter.

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I believe, she hear it.

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Before that, we need to do the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Wow, I missed that, didn't I?

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All righty, we will do the pleasure of allegiance if I could ever, everyone to please stay and thank you.

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head and say some America and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God in the visible liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, Council Member Priscilla.

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Okay, if you do require a Spanish interpretation, we do have a bilingual interpreter.

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provide translation for you at the podium.

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Please raise your hand at this time to indicate you will need translation assistance.

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I'll turn it over to you, Rosalia.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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If you zweite requiere en la protección en español tenemos un interpreta de engu��e.

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Es necesario que le importe interpretar, en el podios que usted va a hablar durante el tiempo

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del comentario publico o va a comentar sobre que uno de las temas en contra de la agenda.

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Por favor, levante Su mano en este momento.

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Si quieres interpretación en español, adicionalmente tenemos equipo de interpretación crawl

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pero quedé más available.

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Okay, City Clerk, if you'll please do the roll call.

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Council Member Nolte?

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Vice Mayor Octavello's call.

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Next item is presentations.

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Our first presentation this evening is an overview of 2022 city summer recreational programs, activities,

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All right, we have Mike O'Suff with us.

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Welcome Mr. O'Suff.

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Thank you, Mayor, and good evening, Mayor,

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Council and community members.

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Thank you for having us tonight here

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for this presentation.

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I want to begin by thanking Mayor and Council

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for their support, really your investment in the community

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and especially youth programs,

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which is in part to why we're able to do more things this summer.

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So we're excited to report out on things we did this summer,

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We hope this through this presentation you're able to see that the team is really listening

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to what council is saying, what mayor is saying, what commissions are saying, and most

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importantly, what the community members are saying in terms of gaps that are in the community.

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Obviously, we have a long way to go, but the important thing is that we're seeing that we are

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continuing to make progress, and that there's been significant growth in programming over

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the past year. So with that, please know that the team has been diligent in expanding

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programming, offering locations, collaborations, inclusivity, and addressing social emotional

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needs, especially those that were worsened by the pandemic. Do you know that this presentation?

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So bear with me as we kind of zoom through here.

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This presentation was also provided to Park and Rec Commission

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if you'd like to hear it in long form

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and hear other voices besides mine.

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So here's the overview.

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This summer we had 32 day camps.

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and other day camps that were offered

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through our outdoor and active program,

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which is in partnership with PUSD.

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We traditionally well offered our after-school programs year-round

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addressing the social emotional needs and so we shifted into offering

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speciality one week, two week camps over the summer that really address those through a wide variety of programs.

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We offered six overnight camp sessions, and so these were residential camps that we'll talk about in a little bit.

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We sent 180, 118 youth to overnight camps, we had 2,243 youth touch points, so those are group of catered numbers.

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And please know that those are, do not include everything that we did, but those were just with day camps.

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offered six movie nights, nine concerts, and 13 partners this summer.

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Here's kind of the overview of the different things we did.

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Just wanted to highlight this because it showed all the different locations that we were at.

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So we offered many of the same camps again and again, but again tried to offer them different places.

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is so that more of the community members could get involved.

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is that everything that we are talking about is free.

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So this was, all these programs are free to the community.

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There's a lot of youth focus here,

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but we also are gonna touch on some of the other things

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we did that were not specifically targeted at youth.

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So in our outdoor and active program,

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this is our partnership with PUSD.

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PUSD provided $300,000 last school year,

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year and they provided $375,000 for this fiscal year for us to get kids active and engaged.

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Through this program, there was 1177 touch points, 402 kids registered, and this is just

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really again getting kids outdoor active exposing them to different sports and camps and whatnot.

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we're going to run programming and sometimes we're going to pay other people to run programming

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and sometimes we're going to collaborate with people and sometimes if something's already good,

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just pay for the opportunity for kids to attend. And so in this case, we're able to send

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30 Pomona youth through PUSD to St. Thomas Nature Center. So this is through

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LA County Park and Rec. And so kids got to experience a variety of things, including their

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animal ambassador program where kids got to be introduced to like birds of prey, for example,

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that are not able to be able to return to the wild. Get kids out there hiking and it just

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was a great exposure to kids. The sports camp is really kind of like a general sports exposure,

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so to the sports of football soccer, track and field, and seven different parks that it took place

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that provided snacks,

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many sports camps.

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hey, we need to serve younger youth.

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but we've definitely heard the community

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and saying we need to serve younger youth.

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we started serving ages down to four.

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it's getting youth out there, young kids four to seven,

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just really showing the very basics

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of playing together at teamwork.

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It's just a lot of fun, a lot of silliness

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but kids are having a great time out there,

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learning and growing.

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obviously on basketball.

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to practice and have games.

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and 147 kids registered, ages 6 to 14.

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through the outdoor and active program.

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So 386 registered, 1666 touch points.

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So again, wide variety of programs that we'll go through.

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these particular offerings, including our innovators club,

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which is, with steam focus of science technology,

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engineering arts and math, really getting our kids

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excited about those fields. You know we've definitely found when you make

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learning fun kids get more engaged and show greater interest in continuing in

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those career paths.

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Teamwork makes the dream work was basically a bunch of

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team building. Icebreaker type games where you know kids get to learn to work

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together better at three different locations. Kennedy, Ganesha, Westmont. Again

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there's open to kids 7 and 17 but as you can see in the picture the ages were

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where we're more around elementary.

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We had a summer H2O camp, so took kids to our pools,

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had some different water activities,

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including just old school water balloon fights.

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Don't worry to our public work friends,

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we did pick up all the water balloons.

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so we use PBTA most frequently for our seniors

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to get to our meal programs,

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But during the summer, we partnered with them to make sure that we could get kids from point A to point B and to go on different field trips.

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Life skills focused on the teams, just getting kids ready to adult.

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They did a variety of activities with them over the summer, including budgeting.

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They took the kids to target, they all had a budget, due back to schools for helping things like that.

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this is the second year we're offering this and we're looking forward to

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expanding this more in the future. Pomona crates. It's art focused. We partnered

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with the DAW, visited them to kids there. Again, 7 to 17 at six different

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locations throughout the city and it's important to note here that we

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realize that people have different levels of experience with arts. We

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offered it a beginner's intermediate and advanced levels. Young writers so we've partnered

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for I think this is our third year partnering with UC Riverside and the Illin area writing project.

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And so this is one of our camps where it's a two week writing camp and someone from UC Riverside,

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an educator comes out and partners with staff and this year we did it at Ganesha and so they really

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incorporated a lot of nature, so they would do hikes and then incorporate nature into their

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writing. At the end, there was a culminating event where parents and family members were

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invited and each of the kids had an opportunity to read some of their original work that they wrote.

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overnight residential camps. Last year, we only went to one camp up in Big Bear Campoaks. This year,

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We partnered with Camp Oaks in Big Bear, Camp Bob Waldorf in Blendale, and Camp

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Marston in Camp Raintree in Julian. And so we really want to expose kids to as many

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different types of camps as possible. Camp Oaks, Camp Bob Waldorf, and Marston,

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they are all traditional camps. Raintree is a, it's a equestrian camp. So kids

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got to learn how to course back ride. We got this partnership in place a little

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bit late but just know that we are looking to expand that. I really want to see, you know,

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tons of kids having experiences they would never have before. I know we want to see that

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and we're also exploring a partnership with maybe a surf camp.

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Family camp. So this so big

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asterisk with this one, this did not happen during summer. This happened in May on Mother's Day

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Weekend but I thought it was important to mention because it was the kickoff to doing residential camps.

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So, 109 Pomonians went up to Big Bear for Mother's Day weekend.

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There were Mother's Day activities, brunch, things like that.

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And what's really important to note is, going back to the last slide for our residential

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camps, we recognize that a lot of families may not have any exposure to overnight camping

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and many of our families might not feel comfortable with their kids staying anywhere else besides

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their house or with family.

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And so we did offer informational nights in English and Spanish to answer new questions

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that parents may have and for some parents, it took them attending the family camp to

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get comfortable with like, okay, this was fine, this was safe, bears did not eat us, mountain

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lines didn't eat us, we're good.

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So we recognized for many of our families for some activities we're starting to introduce

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and maybe too big of a step for them, too big of a leap.

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and so we're trying to provide baby steps as much as we can.

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One of the other programs we were really excited about was our summer

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beautification youth program.

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So this really was a workforce development program for high school students.

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There's something up the mayor, you know, really championed

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and we were really happy to deliver at the summer.

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We had 20 youth lined up but through attrition

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it unfortunately we ended up with 16 but I think the 16 youth that were involved

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I'm really gained a lot, not only the workforce development side, getting them ready to be employed,

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but also understanding the importance of keeping Pomona beautiful.

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Providing, we provided different opportunities for them to do beautification projects and clean

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up at different parks, and then the kids got to create their own beautification projects

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and small groups, including placement of trash.

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They noticed that there was trash everywhere at certain parks, and so they put four new trash cans in Washington, and they put four new trash cans at Garfield Park. They did a beautification project in the back of Garfield Community Center, and then they also did a little beautification project, like a little gardening project in front of Palamaris by where the Little Free Library is. They also participated in National Mind Out where they taught the community about composting, growing their own food and crafts.

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activities. Initially that was going to be a standalone event, but then we realized it would

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be better to partner so that we could expose more people to what the youth had been learning.

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And then there was a culminating event that I know I believe Mayor and Council Member Pressiado

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attended, where the kids got to highlight their projects. And I think they also shared some other

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projects they'd like to do in the future if more money and time was available.

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This program, when it ended, youth were told about other opportunities within the city.

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And so many of them did apply for positions and I know at least three of them are currently

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in the process of being hired through a youth employment program.

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And so we're really excited to create more opportunities like this in the future, but this

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is just, I think it's just a launching, a launching point.

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So we're excited for that.

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We did some video game tournaments this summer, the goals in the future to have an esports

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league.

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We had not done senior field trips in a long time.

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As you guys know, we've been delivering food through home delivered meals, and our

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seniors have been missing in person activities.

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And so they were really happy to go all over the street, spend a few hours there.

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And yeah, it's a great time.

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We've had a long-standing partnership with Mountsack.

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And so these are the classes that were offered over the summer, most notably.

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Summers the only time that we offer the Aquatics class.

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So we are really excited to have that.

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Heart and Soul line dancing. This is a partnership that we have for classes.

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It's basically line dancing.

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They do a variety of dances to different popular songs.

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and that's been taking place at Palomaris in Washington.

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Zoom a gold, it's a Zoom class that's low intensity for seniors.

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We've been partnering with Project Horseshoe Farm for some time, and they've been doing

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senior socials at Washington and Palomaris where our senior centers are, and they provide

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crafts aerobics, brain games, dancing, and social conversations.

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For those of you that know our participants, they absolutely love dancing, so there was a lot

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of that going on. Senior meals we have been continuing to operate over the summer with home

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delivered meals. So in June we delivered 6,830 meals July 7,490 and then during August 6,510.

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We're excited that Washington Parks in-person program has returned. It opened back up on September 12

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and Palomar's will open up on September 26th.

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Through the home delivered program,

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we did serve a lot of individuals

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that had special needs or that were homebound.

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And so some of those who will not be able

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to make an in-person have been offered

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the opportunity to continue in-person delivery

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through a partner agency.

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The pools served almost 9,000 through open swim.

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and then, you know, as always, have some lessons available.

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Some lessons, there were a charge for those, but, and then for entrance, there was a nominal charge there.

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And then we did make this year through council's action.

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We did make the extended the last two weekends of swim free for the community to attend.

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Movies in the park.

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So I think we've been doing movies in the park with day one since 2016, so this is a longstanding collaboration and this was our largest, most successful year in terms of attendance.

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This was the first time where the the dive in we hit capacity. We had to have people wait until other people left, and so we are excited to continue to offer that.

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We had our summer concert with Adelaide who did a Selena cover band in Latin top 40.

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That was the most people that we've had at 10 to concert that we've hosted.

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We estimated about 270.

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From one of concert band did eight concerts with about 100 people attending each one, so

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about 800 people there.

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As always, when we know about an event and we're invited to it, we try to be there whenever

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we can.

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So we attended three of the community pull-ups that happened and then national night out as we mentioned before

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Here are some more collaborations and next summer. Really the short for next summer is we're going to do more

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Again, this was a launching pad

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The transition back from pandemic has not been easy for anyone

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Staffing has been been very difficult to to fill part-time positions

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for everybody. If you talk to pretty much any business, they're struggling with that as

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have we. But I definitely feel like with our full-time coordinators that we have on, things

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are starting to click, and we're able to do more and more. Again, we're not at our peak

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or anywhere close to it, but again, I think we're at a very exciting juncture in continuing

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to impact more Pomona residents in a more meaningful way.

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So that concludes my presentation and I'll maintain any questions.

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I mean, this is exciting.

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We clearly have a lot more work to do.

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But what you just shared today, what you and your team have done,

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this past summer, and then just leading up to this past summer,

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is I think we're on the right path

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to increasing the investment we make.

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I believe our most important asset, which is our children.

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I think all of us know the tremendous amount of money we spend on the back end in trying to address social problems, people fighting, whether they're in a gang or have a drug addiction or they're faced with being enslaved in humans sex trafficking, a range of social challenges, and we spend a lot of money on that end.

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And we have to continuously, in my view, put more dollars on the front end.

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We're working on this incredible project through Bloomberg Harvard on zero to five.

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And in fact, if I can ask you just to come up one second video, just to say just something because I like the council to hear what you did on Saturday, but also to talk just briefly about the work on the summit.

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And Mike, you stay up as well, because council may have questions for you.

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And can you talk about the dashboard work that we're doing as well as the what you did

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on Saturday at the Children's Festival, which I thought was something that I know I believe

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the Council would benefit from here?

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So in August we held a youth summit, and one of the things we were looking at was bringing

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those who provide youth services together and start a conversation about what people do,

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to what organizations do and who they serve.

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And that's the first step that we're working towards

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to create a dashboard that will provide residents

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with the opportunity to go in

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and see what's going on in Pomona,

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not just from a calendar perspective,

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but to be able to bring their children to resources

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that they may not even be aware of,

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that we have, and to better coordinate the efforts

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with agencies.

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And so we started with the use summit and we're working towards creating the dashboard with IT.

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And then this weekend, one of the things that we've worked on with Harvard Bloomberg is to really study trusted messengers.

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And who is it that our residents look to when it comes to trying to find out information about resources that are in Pomona.

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So this weekend during the Children's Festival, we did a little study on asking people who their trusted messengers were and we did it through Avatar.

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So we didn't do it through a survey, we did kind of a hands-on pick your five trusted messengers and we had everything from librarians to police officers to barbers, baristas, you know, just that people were able to say who does it they may reach out to.

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and then we ask them what resources do they look for.

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And so we'll be using that information to start providing a profile of trusted messengers

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within the city and it was just, it was a fun way to do it.

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In fact, it was the first time I've ever seen anybody want to take a picture next to their

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survey.

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So, that was kind of fun.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for that, Vanita.

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Does anybody have any questions from Mike and if not, we can go and move on.

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I just want to put in my request for the next summer concert, my non-trivial band,

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Queen, but thank you, Mike, that was, I was at the Selina concert and it was wonderful.

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It was great to see that many people there.

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Thank you for everything you guys are doing.

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And Mike, if you could just please convey to the staff or out everybody's here.

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Just how thankful we are for their work.

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I think they've heard the council talk about this for some time now and at the end of the day,

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you all executed, you're on the front lines, you get to see what's happening, and I'm sure

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you've seen a lot of smiles, a lot of happy people, happy kids, happy families, but certainly

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there's a lot more work to be done, and we appreciate your leadership on that front, so

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thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Rosie, I'll turn it back to you.

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Okay, thank you, Mayor.

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Our next presentation is a proclamation to Clarins of September 14, 2022, as support Latino

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business day in the city of Pomona.

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I don't think we do. I think what we'll do is we'll go ahead and make sure that we get

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it to the individual that requested it. We'll be happy to do that. I always like to make

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sure that somebody's here to accept it. Otherwise, we're just reading it. That's okay with the

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council. Okay. Let's go ahead and go to the next.

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So, our next presentation actually has been postponed to a future council meeting. It was

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a proclamation recognizing and celebrating Gary High School's 60th anniversary on September

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11, 2022, but we're going to go ahead and post on that to a future council meeting.

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60 years of that's impressive. All right, I want to go to the next.

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Our next proclamation is recognizing the week of September 25th through October 1st, 2022

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as Childhood Cancer Awareness Week.

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And do we have a representative here with us?

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I'm not sure.

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Do we have any representative here on that?

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But because sometimes we'll have somebody for, somebody will ask us for a proclamation

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and we hope that they're here and if they're not that's okay, we'll get this proclamation

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to them.

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Okay, that's good.

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We can go on to the next.

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And our final presentation this evening is a presentation of the Pomona goddess to community

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member Mickey Gallivan.

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Okay.

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And do we have anything that we want to present?

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Okay.

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Let's go ahead and go on up.

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Yeah.

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Alrighty.

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Mickey, come on up.

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I know you spend a lot of time up here as a commissioner, I'm sure, all right.

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So, you want to go ahead and say a few words and then I'll be at the state.

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So this is Mickey Gallivan, she's been a resident of Pomona for maybe 40 years now, 50 years,

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more than 50.

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And let me tell you a little bit about Mickey.

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She was the Pomona Valley or Pomona Historical Society President for 19 years.

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She was also my library commissioner.

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And then she became a commission and for something else that you.

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The Budget Oversight Committee, yes.

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And then where we're standing and sitting right now, she worked very hard with her efforts

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for the historical recognition and also the architectural

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protection of this building, along with probably the rest of the plaza.

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So, you know, it's a pleasure to honor you tonight with this Pomona Goddess.

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I think you're well deserving of it.

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You've been such a wonderful resident and such an inspiration to so many.

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And they also had a corner designated for

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her at the E. Bell Pomona Historical Society.

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I was present, it was wonderful.

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Did you want to say a few words?

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Well, I think everybody who knows Mickey

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knows that Mickey has been a pillar in this community.

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She has been a fighter.

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She can be feisty in the most positive way.

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But when I think about how important

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and historic preservation is in Pomona.

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It's an important part of this community,

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and sometimes it's really easy to forget your history.

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And yet there have been fighters that have made sure

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that at moments when we're an easy target, the city,

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but there have been fighters who said city,

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you need to step up, you need to be stronger

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when it comes to historic preservation

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and make it you've been at the forefront of that work.

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I still remember the discussions

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that we were having on the stables.

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I know that caused a lot of sleepless nights for so many people.

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And while it wasn't easy, we came together and we tried to find the best solution.

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And we are going to be in the process soon.

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I just spoke to Chris Diggs before I came.

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These stables will of course be moved.

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It wasn't the perfect situation for all, but it will be rebuilt.

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And maybe rebuilt is not the right word, but there'll be a new structure that will

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So, resemble this important stable, this important contribution of the community.

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And not only will the beautiful staff at the Water Department have some nice new

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Diggs, no pun intended, it will also allow the community to access a historic site that they had not been able to access since the horses, which is a very long time ago. So just want to, on behalf of the council, I want to express our thanks to you for all the contributions that you have made to this community. We appreciate you, know that so many people love you. And then this is your Pomona goddess, and I'll have Council Member Otter-Resco present to you.

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So, Mickey, with greatest appreciation for your years of service to the City of Pomona.

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This is for you.

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Thank you.

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I give her a nice begin.

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Thank you.

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If I could say a few words, I always talk too much, but thank you very much, Elizabeth,

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and thank you, Mayor Sanderval, and thank you to the rest of the members of the City Council.

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And I also want to thank all the hard working people of Pomona.

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You know, Pomona is an amazing community.

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It is an absolutely beautiful city.

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I never go anywhere in Pomona.

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You know, if I drive down the block, I haven't driven down before.

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I look and say, oh my gosh, that's a gorgeous house.

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That's a gorgeous building.

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Look at that.

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And it has such variety, such diversity.

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I mean, you can get a world education just by going out and traveling around in Fomona.

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It's just, it is absolutely wonderful.

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I really do not feel very deserving.

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I wish that I could have done more.

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There's so many things in Fomona that need to be done.

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And not only in historical preservation, but I was involved in the committee that started

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the House of Ruth.

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I don't know whether you knew that.

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I worked, took three months vacation and worked to start prototypes.

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Alcohol and drug treatment.

456
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:11,690
I worked full time.

457
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:13,050
There are three months.

458
00:32:14,290 --> 00:32:18,290
Bringing the LA symphony to Ramona, I was on that committee.

459
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:28,410
As long as I'm around, and I have no idea how much longer that will be, I intend to keep on working.

460
00:32:29,270 --> 00:32:38,690
I think Pomona is the most beautiful, the most interesting city, certainly in California, and maybe in the United States.

461
00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:42,490
And we have the nicest people in Pomona.

462
00:32:42,490 --> 00:32:48,230
There's not any neighborhood that is not full of really nice people.

463
00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:54,410
This weekend we had friends from Tucson and from Cobow City and we went for a walk in

464
00:32:54,410 --> 00:32:58,330
Pomona and we were invited to take a dip in somebody's pool.

465
00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:03,110
We were invited to come back 15 minutes for tacos.

466
00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:06,070
We saw the peacocks.

467
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:12,690
We went home with lemons, oranges, tomatoes, and figs.

468
00:33:12,790 --> 00:33:20,210
You know, I went, this is just going for a three-block walk, and it's always that way,

469
00:33:20,410 --> 00:33:21,650
no matter where I go.

470
00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:32,250
So I want to encourage you to join with me as long as I'm around in improving and in glorifying

471
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:33,010
our city.

472
00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:39,610
The biggest problem Pomona has is we do not have the reputation that we deserve.

473
00:33:40,350 --> 00:33:42,190
And let's work to get that.

474
00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:44,110
But thank you so very much.

475
00:33:44,270 --> 00:33:45,550
I am so appreciative.

476
00:33:52,420 --> 00:33:59,420
And I know Mickey would say this, but there's you and then there's this incredible family

477
00:33:59,420 --> 00:34:05,220
that you have and just want to also acknowledge them because I know that all your accomplishments

478
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:10,240
are with their support and so if you can give the family a nice big hand for their work as well.

479
00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:12,280
Thank you very much.

480
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:40,380
And thank you City Clerk Rosalia for helping me get this goddess to our constituent.

481
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:41,240
Thank you.

482
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,500
Okay Rosalia, next item.

483
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,300
Next item is Mayor Council Member Communications.

484
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:56,300
These are reports on conferences, seminars, and regional meetings attended by the Mayor and City Council

485
00:34:56,300 --> 00:35:00,620
and announcements of upcoming events and also items for future City Council consideration

486
00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:03,200
As requested by the mayor or members of the city council.

487
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:06,580
Okay, are there any members of the council who want to speak?

488
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:09,660
I see Vice Mayor Condraversa call you up.

489
00:35:10,780 --> 00:35:11,680
Good evening, everyone.

490
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,400
I'm glad to see you all here.

491
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,660
I just want to touch on the event that I was at yesterday, Dr. Vose, Vietnamese community,

492
00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:25,400
where they honored the children and they had a costume contest.

493
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:33,940
And it's the, I think it's the mid fall or mid August or autumn type event that they do.

494
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,480
It was well attended, and it was a pleasure to be there.

495
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:37,040
Thank you.

496
00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:39,000
Thank you.

497
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,440
Councilor Garcia, then press you other than guilty.

498
00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:43,260
Thank you, Mayor.

499
00:35:43,860 --> 00:35:46,120
There's many events going on in Pomona this weekend.

500
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,460
But the one I really want to stress to our constituents after our wonderful programming staff's

501
00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:55,100
inter-presentation is there's going to be a measure A recreation access program

502
00:35:55,100 --> 00:36:00,240
meeting at Washington Park in District 3 from 10 a.m. to noon and this is to help

503
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,880
us submit a grant for more recreation access programings for measure A.

504
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,220
So if you are interested in expanding the programs that you just saw this

505
00:36:09,220 --> 00:36:12,280
wonderful presentation to making sure that we continue the service to our

506
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,920
community, please come out to Washington Park for the measure A grant

507
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,760
application process. And that is going to be from 10 a.m. to noon at Washington Park Community Center.

508
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:28,320
I will let my colleagues announce their districts events, but I will also take this moment to

509
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:36,160
invite you all to the African-American Alliance building. You're going to have a summer vibes

510
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,860
concert or event. It's going to be amazing. I just know it and please be there at six o'clock

511
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,860
to make sure that you're there for all the fun stuff.

512
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,580
And that is off of Gibbs and Second Street.

513
00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:48,200
Thank you.

514
00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:48,980
Thank you.

515
00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:50,020
Councillor Priscielo.

516
00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:55,440
Yeah, I'd like to ask everybody for a favor.

517
00:36:56,820 --> 00:36:59,840
Yesterday I had my cousin pass away.

518
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:03,780
And so if anybody could just send some prayers over to my godmother

519
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:06,040
and her family and all of our family,

520
00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:07,840
and I just really appreciate that.

521
00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:08,760
Thank you very much.

522
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,660
I thank you, Councilmember Preciado.

523
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:14,280
Councilmember Nolte.

524
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:21,220
First of all, condolences, Councilmember Preciado, I know we all would send our prayers

525
00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:22,900
your way and your family's way.

526
00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:29,460
I just wanted to say on Tuesday, I had the great opportunity to join Pomona Beautiful out

527
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:32,800
in my district, Dudley and the freeway basically.

528
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,180
And I just want to thank the mayor and that group of people I won't try to name them all,

529
00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:43,740
But tirelessly, as I understand it, go out every week on Tuesday mornings and I will tell you it is tirelessly.

530
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:50,440
I mean, I worked hard for a good hour and a half to two hours picking up trash.

531
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:57,140
They cut some of the brush away from a place where there's been people kind of hiding behind some brush and things.

532
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:06,740
And I was really impressed and I know that people thanked him before, but just want to say what a great, great service that that group is doing.

533
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,840
Secondly, I have a request to make of my colleagues.

534
00:38:11,860 --> 00:38:27,600
I feel like there's been an increase, or maybe it's just I'm noticing it because my son recently got his driver's license, but of traffic related incidents in Pomona, you know, deaths in particular is what I tend to hear about.

535
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:39,540
And I'd like to ask, and this is in conjunction with something that's on the consent calendar which is a strategic plan we have for safe streets that we're going to be passing tonight I assume.

536
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:52,340
But it made me think I'd like to get some, like a report to the city council, I'm just going to kind of read some things I want to see in it and I can email about this as well, but I just want to see if my colleagues would be interested in this.

537
00:38:52,340 --> 00:39:07,240
So I'd like to know, you know, the time period, I'm open to whatever staff thinks is appropriate, whether it's three years, five years, ten years, whatever makes sense based on what we keep in terms of statistics, car on car, including motorcycles, car person, car bike.

538
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:14,000
I'd like to know things like the ages of the people involved, traffic laws that were violated by either person.

539
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,960
And the residents, city of the people involved,

540
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,460
the time of day it happened, locations, maybe a map

541
00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:23,960
that shows, or a couple maps showing different kinds

542
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,820
of situations.

543
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,060
If known, whether the either person was homeless,

544
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:31,940
there's a sense, I think, in the community

545
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:33,780
that a lot of the traffic accidents are related

546
00:39:33,780 --> 00:39:35,680
to individuals who might be homeless,

547
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,700
who might be crossing the street at inappropriate places.

548
00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:40,860
So if we know that information, similarly,

549
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:47,280
really if we know whether substance abuse was involved on either party, I'd like to know

550
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,620
the speed of the vehicles involved in relation to the speed limit of the place where it occurred.

551
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,100
And then any other kind of pertinent or unusual circumstances, I'd like to see the stats

552
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:05,240
over time and anything else that might contribute to understanding that data better.

553
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:10,620
So, like, kind of a picture of traffic injuries and deaths in our city.

554
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:17,800
I'd like to comparison with other jurisdictions, so to see, is my sense that we're experiencing

555
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,460
a lot compared to other jurisdictions right? Anything else that's informative?

556
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:28,960
Any specific projects that we've done in any areas in the city that might show us a way forward,

557
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,960
and then just general kinds of analysis and recommendations? And then how those statistics relate

558
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,600
to the plans that we do have because I know we do have some plans coming online in a sense

559
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:45,580
of how those plans either do or don't or could be used to address the situation.

560
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:52,240
I know that's a lot and you know I'm not asking for this immediately but I feel like it's something

561
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:57,080
I'd like to hear about. I would be willing to support that. I would just simply ask James, I know

562
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:04,540
that staff has a lot that they're working on so I think it's more of a question of is it easily

563
00:41:04,540 --> 00:41:08,260
is some of that information easily attainable?

564
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:10,020
Is it gonna take a lot more research?

565
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,980
But if you can just come back to us and so I'd say yes,

566
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,460
but if you can come back to us and listen realistically,

567
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,180
this is the time frame in by which we can do it,

568
00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:20,040
given all the other priorities that you have.

569
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,600
I'll talk to the chief and we'll figure out a game plan for it,

570
00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:26,140
because it really sounds like a real deep dive into

571
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:32,000
some of the data and we'll get back to you on a timeline.

572
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:44,440
All right. Great. Great. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Anything else? No, that's all. Okay. All right. I don't see any of the hands up. So I'm going to go and go just want to highlight a few events that happened this weekend.

573
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:58,980
Just want to thank everyone who came out to the Children's Festival on Saturday. It was well attended. It's always great to see our children have an opportunity to just have fun, particularly in a very beautiful place.

574
00:41:58,980 --> 00:42:05,020
This is our civic center and I know that Charles Wodeck and her team led this effort.

575
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:08,380
They've led it for the last, this is the third annual.

576
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,620
It didn't happen the past two years because of the pandemic, but it's a huge undertaking.

577
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:17,760
And the goal was to continue to grow it and to expand it and to give our kids more opportunities

578
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,320
to have fun and to connect to resources in the community.

579
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:28,080
Also want to acknowledge, I don't think he's watching, but on Saturday there was a fundraiser

580
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:33,500
for Casa Cleana, which is this incredible institution in the city of Pomona.

581
00:42:33,820 --> 00:42:41,140
There are a long time CEO retired, Phil LaVorso, who had been with Casa Cleana since 1998.

582
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:45,920
And so, Phil, if you're watching, congratulations to you.

583
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:52,320
A few of us were there on Saturday to see both the impact they've had on individuals that

584
00:42:52,320 --> 00:43:02,520
They highlight in the course of this convening, this gala, and then also just to honor feel as well.

585
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:11,600
Also one last thing, and I think every one of us knows the tremendous talent of young people in this community.

586
00:43:12,620 --> 00:43:20,280
And on Saturday at Gary High School, eight students, I believe, eight students were honored by

587
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:30,460
the patent office for the U.S. government as well as MIT who would work with

588
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:34,080
these students who came up with the device when they were seniors in high

589
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:40,440
school. Some of them have been younger. Seven young women, one young man, they're

590
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:48,020
now in college, but they came up with the device to monitor issues related to

591
00:43:48,020 --> 00:44:01,100
diabetes, okay, neuropathy. And it was, it received a patent. It's highly, highly unusual

592
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:04,520
for anyone to have received a patent. In fact, people come up with things all the time,

593
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,460
but they don't have, particularly people of color, they don't have people to help them

594
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:15,140
through that kind of process. And MIT set up a program with a foundation, I believe, that

595
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:23,100
help to these kids, Pomona kids who are UC Berkeley, UC Irvine, UC Riverside, Cal Poly Pomona,

596
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,500
and UC Santa Cruz. These eight students get a patent for this device.

597
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:38,180
And these are kids who were educated by Pomona teachers, who I believe prepare our young people

598
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:43,400
to go on to do some pretty amazing things. This does not happen every day. And so at some point,

599
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,320
if we can get them here and get them back here at a city council meeting would love to honor

600
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:54,460
these eight individuals. This was something they started back in 2018 with two of their teachers

601
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,980
and now it has a patent and so...

602
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:20,760
So I just, if they're watching, if their parents are watching, if they're very high school or just, just your Pomona person, you can't be but proud of these young people who are doing some pretty amazing things. So with that said, I will turn it back to Rosalia. Thank you, Mayor. Our next item is city manager communications. These are reports from the city manager.

603
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:29,220
As I've stated before, we're in a drought and we need to save water. There was media reports this past weekend.

604
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:32,840
And that we're entering our third year of La Niña.

605
00:45:34,060 --> 00:45:38,420
It's a pretty rare occurrence to go three years in a row of having La Niña,

606
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:40,060
which is reduced rainfall.

607
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:45,280
So keep producing your water usage and help out the city.

608
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,520
And my second item tonight is I'd like to introduce to you our new human resources

609
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,420
and risk management director, Renee Anderson.

610
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:55,540
Kristen,

611
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:10,380
Renee comes to us with over 20 years experience in the human resources field.

612
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:17,580
She's worked for such agencies as LA City, Los Angeles World Airports and San Bernardino

613
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:17,900
City.

614
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,860
We're very excited to have her on board and joining the executive team here at the City

615
00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:23,360
of Pomona.

616
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,980
So, thank you very much.

617
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:25,900
That's it tonight, Mayor.

618
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:27,880
Thank you.

619
00:46:28,380 --> 00:46:28,600
All right.

620
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:29,360
Rosalia.

621
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:32,260
Next item is public participation.

622
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,060
At this time, the public is invited to address the council concerning any items not on the agenda.

623
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,480
Together, the city council members, city staff and public honor Pomona's important city meeting values.

624
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:49,120
To speak and to listen to everyone with respect and courtesy, to honor fairness in our cherished democratic process.

625
00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:52,380
To affirm Pomona's dedication to lead as a compassionate city.

626
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:56,800
Thank you all for keeping these values and this commitment to act with them ever present in our minds.

627
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:02,780
As we proceed with the meeting together in order to address the city council each individual must fill out a speaker card

628
00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:08,760
Which is available in the lobby of the council chambers speaker cards must be completed and turned into the city clerk at this time

629
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,160
Only those speaker cards turned into the city clerk will be allowed to address the city council

630
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,920
No late cards will be accepted each person should state their name

631
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,520
And will be allowed to speak once for three minutes all speakers and persons in the audience

632
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,600
Was adhered to the city council rules of procedure and decorum

633
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:31,560
Thank you. Okay. We have four speakers on non agenda items and just going to line you up

634
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,200
in terms of who's going to go in. We're going to start with Eunice Russell and then

635
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:42,500
and Joyce Baker Smith. You'll be after. Sure. That's fine. Yeah. And then Gregory Estelle and then

636
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:44,280
Cynthia Marina, you'll close us up and

637
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:53,730
you have three minutes. Welcome and Joyce Baker Smith.

638
00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:59,630
Thank you very much. As the mayor stated, my name is Emma Joyce Baker Smith.

639
00:48:00,230 --> 00:48:05,150
And I was coming here today to invite you all to a form.

640
00:48:05,950 --> 00:48:13,050
And it was a candidate form that was scheduled to take place Saturday the 24th.

641
00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:22,950
I received commitments from all of the incumbents.

642
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:32,210
And now I receive an email stating that these incumbents will not be able to come.

643
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:38,430
Steve was able to come and I haven't gotten a ratio of that.

644
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:50,430
But based on that fact, being that we're not going to be having a form which would take place from three to six at the Pilgrim Congregational Church,

645
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:53,250
which we are going to have to cancel that form.

646
00:48:54,790 --> 00:49:01,030
And this is not the first time that the Willie White Park focus group, which has been

647
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:05,970
in existence for more than 20 years, has put on a form for candidates.

648
00:49:06,850 --> 00:49:12,870
Now these particular candidates are running or not in my district.

649
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:15,730
But we see the city as a whole.

650
00:49:15,730 --> 00:49:22,890
Not individuals, that's the reason we figure we will do a service to the community by inviting them.

651
00:49:23,330 --> 00:49:27,150
I'm sorry to say this Councilistro, but we have to cancel.

652
00:49:29,350 --> 00:49:35,530
I want you to know, and I'm going to say this once, and I'm very disappointed.

653
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:42,710
And I'm disappointed because I received verbal confirmation and email confirmation

654
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:45,930
the recommendation that these candidates would be here.

655
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:52,930
The incumbents that I'm referring to are candidates from 2, 3, and 5.

656
00:49:54,370 --> 00:49:59,450
I also have candidates that are running that are not incumbents, but

657
00:49:59,450 --> 00:50:08,610
unfortunately, they were not included in this group email that I received stating that after discussion with

658
00:50:08,610 --> 00:50:14,270
constituent, not constituents, colleagues that they wouldn't be able to attend.

659
00:50:15,150 --> 00:50:23,610
So, I come with a heavy heart, I'm disappointed because I think it's one of our duties to show

660
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:30,790
what we are having elected on our city council, no matter what district we're from.

661
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:38,390
This is a city, and therefore that's the reason the Willie White Park focus group in conjunction

662
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:44,910
with true seekers had put on this form, we've spent money, we went and we got a translator

663
00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:52,930
because that was suggested and now we will be out of that. So I'm disappointed and perhaps the

664
00:50:52,930 --> 00:50:57,330
next time we have an election. Thank you, and Joyce Baker. Thank you very much.

665
00:50:57,610 --> 00:51:02,070
Yes, thank you. Eunice Russell, you're up and then Greg and then Cynthia.

666
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,820
Council, excuse me, my name is Eunice Russell.

667
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:12,520
I am part of the Two Seekers Coalition.

668
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:15,060
One, we are a political organization,

669
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,200
not a religious organization as mistakenly stated by some.

670
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,180
When we got these confirmations,

671
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,940
we went with everything that was requested of us.

672
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,340
You asked for a translator because most of the people

673
00:51:31,340 --> 00:51:32,600
in your district spoke Spanish.

674
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:33,660
We got a translator.

675
00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:41,780
You knew, over a week ago, two weeks ago, about this date, so anything that you had before you confirmed it was on your calendar.

676
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,500
And for you to cancel at the last minute is disrespectful to the city.

677
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,380
Not just us, you're not hurting me.

678
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:56,100
I don't live in your district, but I am affected by the ineffectiveness of what some of you do up there sitting on that dius.

679
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,080
And for you to disrespect us this way.

680
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:05,440
You mind stopping us if it happens again, I'm going to ask you to go ahead and step out and clap all you want

681
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:15,540
For you to disrespect us in this manner is it's it's unconscionable to me. It's unconscionable

682
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:19,700
You knew you had time you waited until this was posted

683
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:22,560
We posted it on all levels of social media

684
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:28,320
We posted we were having a translator to appease some of you because we didn't have to do that

685
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:36,120
We did that for the city and we did it because we knew your districts were that not so much you Steve, but for the other two districts, we knew that.

686
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:45,940
And this is how you come back with us five days before the event and said, oh, no, we, we'd rather shake hands and drink Kool-A, than come and sit and have a real conversation.

687
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:51,160
Yeah, I said, drink hands, shake hands and drink Kool-A, because you said you had other events to go to.

688
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:56,900
I just heard you were going to a planning event from 10 to 2 in one area and another one nobody said about his district

689
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:59,920
So I don't know I don't know what all is going on in the city

690
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:05,540
But I know it's important for you to sit down and answer questions about how you have been handling it up there

691
00:53:05,540 --> 00:53:12,740
We sent you copies of the questions. We were not going blindside you unless the audience asks you something and each and every one of you

692
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:19,100
We're going to answer the same questions so there was no blind signing. There was no backbiting. There was nothing

693
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:24,920
We were non-partisan and for you to do it that way honey God will take care of whatever was in your heart

694
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,740
But know this I'm not going anywhere and as long as I'm in this city

695
00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:33,020
I'm going to stay on top of each and every one of you because you have a duty

696
00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:39,140
You have a duty of in responsibility and some of you need to learn how to read and research a little better and

697
00:53:39,140 --> 00:53:45,760
Stop making assumptions on people and stop hastily making decisions and if you're depending on some of these jack leg

698
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,420
representatives that you got out here doing research for you some of you might

699
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:54,620
end up in jail like them council people in bail because what goes around comes

700
00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:59,240
around and don't ever forget that all right if I can bring up Greg

701
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:05,220
Stell you're up next I'm sorry yes okay yeah my apologies then that's

702
00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:11,760
told for a hundred years awesome city of Pomona it's a beautiful city it is my

703
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,840
My name is Greg Estell, 695 North Gordon Street, six blocks north, maybe five.

704
00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:19,700
I love this city.

705
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:23,720
I went to the city hall today.

706
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,640
My friend had a stroke and I took him over there so I could communicate and he could get

707
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:35,080
a permit to do this, that and the other and it was so smooth, it was so, all the departments

708
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:41,120
are open, they text you when you're ready and you're up and it's everything, it's a great

709
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,700
place to do a lot of building here and it's beautiful. I mean, I think and I know it was voted the

710
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:53,360
most beautiful city in the state or the country in the 70s and I was trying to Google it and find

711
00:54:53,360 --> 00:55:02,120
it but it was voted the most beautiful city somewhere. I moved here in 74,000 ohgs and yes it was a

712
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:07,160
culture shock but you know, hey, my father bought a business here and I worked there and came after

713
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:15,660
school and work there. But I want to give compliments to the quality of life crew. Crews, they used

714
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:21,520
to just be one crew. Now there's two crews. They're doing a fabulous job. I see them working. They

715
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,780
work so hard. They clean up all these people's messes. They get paid, of course, but they clean up

716
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:31,920
all these messes. And I can imagine when it was 110 degrees outside, they were still cleaning up

717
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,820
messes. And they don't take days off. I see them working on Saturdays and Sundays, Sunday morning,

718
00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:43,340
out working okay we need to we need at least another crew I strongly recommend that we get

719
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:50,160
another crew it's not enough it's not quite enough and the city the ordinance code enforcement

720
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:59,760
we don't have enough for them it's you know our real the the real problems in Pomona right now

721
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:10,290
are the homeless and the crime okay it's a serious serious problem and we got you know yeah we got

722
00:56:10,290 --> 00:56:14,890
people running red lights, you know, like Mr. Nolk, he was saying about the red light,

723
00:56:15,070 --> 00:56:18,470
or he didn't say about red lights, but man, I've seen people running red lights all the time,

724
00:56:18,590 --> 00:56:22,030
when you're in, come on, when you're in anywhere, when you see a green light, that does not mean

725
00:56:22,030 --> 00:56:26,230
press on the gas, that means look both ways to make sure that there's some not in some idiot not

726
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:33,310
running a red light to T-bone you and kill you. So that's the serious thing. Holt and San Antonio

727
00:56:33,310 --> 00:56:41,550
needs left turn signals big time big time big time big time okay and let me see I'm you know

728
00:56:41,550 --> 00:56:47,490
it's the most beautiful it's a beautiful place this city is beautiful and we can really keep

729
00:56:47,490 --> 00:56:53,450
it beautiful and you know like it costs money to fix these buildings up and keep them fixed like

730
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:57,490
I say it costs a lot of money to fix up buildings and keep maintaining it costs a lot of money to

731
00:56:57,490 --> 00:56:58,370
We maintain a city.

732
00:57:01,650 --> 00:57:05,450
And congratulations Mickey, Mickey's done just a grip of stuff.

733
00:57:05,850 --> 00:57:08,750
She's my neighbor, we're all, I'm neighbors of everybody here.

734
00:57:08,910 --> 00:57:10,410
I don't thank you very much.

735
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:15,810
You're out in Miss Santhia Moreno, come on up, and that'll be our final speaker on non agenda items.

736
00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:19,540
Welcome.

737
00:57:20,420 --> 00:57:20,780
Thank you.

738
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:25,320
Good evening, Mayor Sanvol, Council, and commonder residents.

739
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:31,360
I'm here today to thank Mayor Sandeval and Councilman Steve Lesterow.

740
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:37,900
They have been incredible, helpful with the huge issue that we were faced with.

741
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:47,760
In the end of April, we were faced with our fire insurance increasing from 47,000 to 425,000

742
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:48,300
a year.

743
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:58,680
A neighbor and I mentioned this to both Mayor Sandroval and Steve Lustro and they were

744
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,120
willing to help in whatever they could.

745
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:08,420
Part of what raised our insurance was brushed that belonged to the city of Chino Hills

746
00:58:08,420 --> 00:58:17,460
and we went to speak to the council with letters that councilman Lustro and

747
00:58:17,460 --> 00:58:22,400
and Mayor San, no, Councilman Lestros wrote the letters.

748
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,540
Mayor San, well, placed the call to the Mayor of Chino Hills.

749
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:28,560
Thank you.

750
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:33,720
They started on the brush and they have done a tremendous job.

751
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,420
There's still a ways to go.

752
00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:41,580
It's about 30 years of brush back there, but they are amazing.

753
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,940
I want to thank you guys.

754
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:51,100
I will go to the next council meeting for Chino Hills to think Mayor Marquez and

755
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:57,500
You guys are amazing if they weren't for you guys. I don't think they would have listened to us. Thank you guys

756
00:58:58,460 --> 00:59:03,200
Also, if I have any time left, I'd like to take a moment of silence for

757
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:06,260
Councilman Pesados cousin

758
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,880
Can I yield that time?

759
00:59:24,420 --> 00:59:25,320
Thank you

760
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,080
All right

761
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,300
And I'm not seeing any of the cards.

762
00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:30,400
I'll turn it back to you, Rosalia.

763
00:59:31,540 --> 00:59:32,220
Thank you, Mayor.

764
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,780
Our next item is consent calendar.

765
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,980
On matters of the consent calendar may be enacted by a single motion without separate discussion,

766
00:59:39,220 --> 00:59:46,420
discussion or a separate vote on any item is decided by a council member that item may be removed from the consent calendar and considered separately.

767
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,740
All consent items pulled for discussion will be limited to five minutes.

768
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:51,980
They're not enacted upon within five minutes.

769
00:59:51,980 --> 00:59:59,060
the mayor will move that consent item to the end of the agenda after consideration of the public hearings and I believe same manager or

770
00:59:59,060 --> 00:59:59,420
emotional.

771
01:00:00,180 --> 01:00:16,980
Any items that the council wants to remove from consent? We do have speakers on items two and nine, so we'll automatically remove those for discussion. We have a separate vote for item five, please. Thanks.

772
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:33,490
So move, we're going to move item five as well. Okay. That's all I see. Can I get a motion on everything minus two, five and nine?

773
01:00:36,990 --> 01:00:38,050
Okay. Do roll call.

774
01:00:38,050 --> 01:00:38,210
No vote.

775
01:00:43,610 --> 01:00:44,030
Nulti?

776
01:00:44,450 --> 01:00:44,610
Yes.

777
01:00:44,810 --> 01:00:45,050
Gracias.

778
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:46,310
Garcia?

779
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:46,810
Yes.

780
01:00:46,990 --> 01:00:47,610
Antiviros Cole?

781
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:48,010
Yes.

782
01:00:48,290 --> 01:00:48,650
Lestro?

783
01:00:48,790 --> 01:00:48,990
Yes.

784
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:49,490
Torres?

785
01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:49,890
Yes.

786
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:50,530
Send a vote.

787
01:00:51,370 --> 01:00:51,770
Yes.

788
01:00:52,530 --> 01:00:53,050
All right.

789
01:00:53,490 --> 01:00:55,210
Let's go to item two.

790
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:56,990
We do have one speaker on this item.

791
01:00:57,490 --> 01:01:01,110
I just want to read the item and then we'll, Mr. Carpio, so please come on up

792
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,560
whenever you're ready.

793
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:07,780
Do you want to read the item?

794
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:08,440
Yes.

795
01:01:08,860 --> 01:01:10,260
Just so that everyone knows what it is.

796
01:01:10,940 --> 01:01:12,240
It's consent item number two.

797
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,660
It's the award of construction contract and my construction ink in the amount of

798
01:01:16,660 --> 01:01:21,900
at $1,926,245 for Hamilton Park Innovation Project.

799
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,360
You have a three-minute speech, Carp, you're welcome.

800
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:28,480
Bearing consult people, thank you for the opportunity to speak with you.

801
01:01:29,220 --> 01:01:35,920
On behalf of the Hamilton Park steering committee, I want to extend a great thank you to the City of Pomona,

802
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:39,280
and especially the staff from Parks and Recreation,

803
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:44,900
the people that were at numerous meetings with the park's meeting.

804
01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:58,920
And again, working together with the guidance and stirring of parks and recreation, this became a real issue from a dirty parking lot to now so you can be a class A neighborhood park.

805
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:05,160
So again, on behalf of the neighborhood and again, residents, we thank you for your cooperation and job well done.

806
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,120
And thank you.

807
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,080
Also, again, I want to give them another kudo.

808
01:02:11,340 --> 01:02:12,880
I know that during my presentation

809
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,480
of the activities during the summer,

810
01:02:14,860 --> 01:02:16,120
I might have missed it, but again,

811
01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:18,280
I just want to go back on some of the classes

812
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,180
that we're actually having with the young kids,

813
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:23,320
the young young kids,

814
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:25,100
they were actually based on science,

815
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,860
it's not of the science projects

816
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,580
that also involved engineering,

817
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,380
and also had creative writing for these,

818
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:32,420
and again, but to the kids.

819
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:33,520
They also had a class,

820
01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:35,940
something similar to introduction to basic economics.

821
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,300
You know, like, what's the checkbook?

822
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:37,780
Look, what's a bag?

823
01:02:38,340 --> 01:02:40,340
So I mean, these are just really great things

824
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:41,500
and I like the way they're going,

825
01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:44,140
using recreation also for education

826
01:02:44,140 --> 01:02:46,360
and again, future planning.

827
01:02:46,940 --> 01:02:48,420
And again, two out of the 16 people

828
01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:51,160
that were part time working for the parks,

829
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,960
three are now full time hires.

830
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:54,980
I think that's really great.

831
01:02:55,140 --> 01:02:56,840
So you've given these people a future,

832
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,060
something really to work with.

833
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:59,820
And the other one too,

834
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,360
is a shout out to the senior program.

835
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,080
We see there was something like three-hours.

836
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,520
I hate to interrupt you.

837
01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:06,920
You gotta stay on the topic.

838
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:14,680
Okay, yeah, otherwise then you would have wanted to make sure that sometimes these things are slippery slopes and

839
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,480
I do it for one person and so well you did it for that guy and it just makes it hard for me, but I think they got the

840
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:26,600
Just what you're trying to say which is to thank them so if you want to come in any more on this particular item

841
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,840
I'll have we're happy to listen to it. All right. Thank you. We will do that

842
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,660
I guess something to come at curiosity on item 2.2

843
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:51,220
So if you have any questions, you know, you can go ahead and submit questions, but it's, this is not set up as a discussion between you and Council and the staff.

844
01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:55,000
But if you have a question, you can always submit it in advance.

845
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,500
We'll try to get it answered for you in advance.

846
01:03:57,700 --> 01:03:57,960
Okay.

847
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:02,180
But repeat your question because I want to make sure that staff has it looks like you have it Renee

848
01:04:02,180 --> 01:04:05,300
And then what we'll do is if you'd like when you're done

849
01:04:06,220 --> 01:04:09,560
Renee would be happy to meet you outside and answer your question. Okay, okay

850
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,380
Just what was item two in relation to the had a

851
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,320
I he's some kind of a protest and it was meritless

852
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,680
Just okay. Yeah, we'll be happy to answer that point all right. Okay. That's anything else on that fund

853
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,840
No, just great job with some for you guys

854
01:04:26,380 --> 01:04:29,300
Thank you. Thank you for bearing with me, Mr. Gabriel. Appreciate it already.

855
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:37,020
Okay, that was the only speaker on that item. And if you like, René would be happy to meet you on that front.

856
01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:41,260
Okay. All right, very good. So we have item number two to drive a motion.

857
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,980
I move the recommendations of the staff. Okay, and then I have a second.

858
01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:48,800
Did you get a second? Okay, all right. Let's do a roll call vote.

859
01:04:51,140 --> 01:04:52,740
Roll call, Nazi. Yes. Yes.

860
01:04:58,740 --> 01:05:07,960
All right, there was a quest to remove five for the purpose of a vote. So I don't use a discussion on it. So let's I'll go and move the item.

861
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:08,720
Can I get a second?

862
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Second.

863
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:11,040
All right.

864
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:11,880
It's still a roll call.

865
01:05:12,500 --> 01:05:13,560
Roll call, Nalti.

866
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:14,560
Yes.

867
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:15,280
Prostiado.

868
01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:15,820
Yes.

869
01:05:16,060 --> 01:05:16,440
Prostiado.

870
01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:17,000
Yes.

871
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:17,880
Antiviros Cole.

872
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:18,300
No.

873
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:19,140
Last row.

874
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:19,500
Yes.

875
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:20,120
Torres.

876
01:05:20,620 --> 01:05:21,280
San Diego.

877
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:21,860
Yes.

878
01:05:22,660 --> 01:05:23,000
All right.

879
01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:24,700
So we go ahead and move to agenda item 9.

880
01:05:29,530 --> 01:05:38,290
Item number 9 is the appeal of a cultural arts commission decision to name the award of public art fund dollars for public art sculpture to be installed at Lincoln Park.

881
01:05:38,790 --> 01:05:40,690
Great. Very good. I know we have a staff presentation.

882
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:44,430
We were prepared, even though it's on consent. We do are prepared with a brief presentation.

883
01:05:44,430 --> 01:05:47,010
I'm not sure if you'd like the presentation first, or here from the public.

884
01:05:47,210 --> 01:05:51,450
I'd rather have a presentation first than here from the public, and then have Council win.

885
01:05:51,630 --> 01:05:56,030
Absolutely. I'm going to turn the presentation over to a talk on our planning manager in just a moment.

886
01:05:56,190 --> 01:06:03,210
But for context, just wanted to point out two things for the Council, because typically appeals are on a project by a project basis.

887
01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:07,270
It's one thing that's coming before you. I just wanted to add for context.

888
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:13,410
So this is part of a larger call for art that was potentially awarding over $1 million, $137 applicants.

889
01:06:13,810 --> 01:06:16,990
So it's part of a bigger project, so just wanted to point that out as you consider it.

890
01:06:17,410 --> 01:06:22,190
And then also just, I know that some of that, this project may be a bit controversial and

891
01:06:22,190 --> 01:06:27,590
that the content of the art really wasn't part of the discussion and what was the decision point.

892
01:06:27,730 --> 01:06:30,470
It was focused around process and financial questions.

893
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:32,410
So I just wanted to point that out for everybody.

894
01:06:32,610 --> 01:06:33,830
So with that, I'll turn it over to a talk.

895
01:06:33,830 --> 01:06:35,270
All right, thank you. Welcome to

896
01:06:36,070 --> 01:06:38,570
Thanks, Rita. Good evening there council members

897
01:06:38,570 --> 01:06:45,130
I just wanted to walk through some timeline of events so we can frame ourselves around some of the content in the staff report and

898
01:06:45,130 --> 01:06:47,830
Walkie through the appeal for this particular visual art application

899
01:06:48,290 --> 01:06:54,430
So we'll be walking through these seven steps there together and I'll start with the first here which was back in March

900
01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:56,290
We released a call for visual art

901
01:06:57,390 --> 01:07:00,490
Citywide back on March 15. It was open to all ages

902
01:07:00,490 --> 01:07:09,750
It was a call for temporary or permanent visual art and also visual art programming so it was open to the entire city.

903
01:07:10,610 --> 01:07:17,130
And from that in April, a month later we received 137 applications, which we were quite excited about.

904
01:07:17,770 --> 01:07:25,790
And that represented 54 different individuals or nonprofit organizations as there wasn't a cap on how many applications you could apply for.

905
01:07:25,790 --> 01:07:27,670
So some folks applied multiple times.

906
01:07:28,370 --> 01:07:31,930
In total, we received $1.91 million in requests

907
01:07:32,810 --> 01:07:34,410
from the public art fund.

908
01:07:35,330 --> 01:07:38,050
So getting into the details of this particular application,

909
01:07:38,830 --> 01:07:41,170
it was, and sorry, before I do,

910
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:45,730
I, the Cultural Arts Commission approved a rubric

911
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:48,570
as part of this process for staff to use.

912
01:07:48,790 --> 01:07:50,190
So our staff here in the planning division,

913
01:07:50,610 --> 01:07:53,430
and it's just a screen grab there,

914
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:58,050
but essentially it's either out of 50, 80 or 100 points depending on what you're applying for.

915
01:07:58,430 --> 01:08:02,670
Scoring criteria is based on budget, the strength of your proposal, whether you submit it

916
01:08:02,670 --> 01:08:08,070
everything correctly, whether it's in a publicly accessible location, just criteria that we need to

917
01:08:08,070 --> 01:08:13,530
hit in the planning division against the art and public places, manual and the code. So from that,

918
01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:19,910
the application we're looking at tonight was from the village P town productions was the official title.

919
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:26,570
the artist is Manolita Brown and the subcontractor, the sub applicant is

920
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:32,730
Spectra Company. They were requesting $119,000 from the public art fund and

921
01:08:32,730 --> 01:08:38,950
that was for a proposed statue in Lincoln Park. You could see a smaller snippet here.

922
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:42,850
I have a larger photo to show later in the likeness of Harriet Tubman to

923
01:08:42,850 --> 01:08:49,070
commemorate Harriet Tubman and that was proposed for Lincoln Park. Staff went back

924
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:55,290
to that evaluation rubric to begin scoring the 137 applications over the summer and a couple

925
01:08:55,290 --> 01:09:00,210
of things that we noted as part of that e-vow for this particular application. The first was that

926
01:09:00,750 --> 01:09:05,590
upon receiving these photos in the application, we contacted the artist and staff did determine

927
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:11,110
that the work had already been completed. So the statue was already done and we also were able to

928
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:15,550
confirm, for man, we lit a brown, that the artist had already been paid and was expected to complete

929
01:09:15,550 --> 01:09:19,690
payment within a week of our phone call, which was back in May.

930
01:09:21,610 --> 01:09:26,310
Also that application was scored against a hundred and two other applications that were

931
01:09:26,310 --> 01:09:27,350
in the permanent category.

932
01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:32,550
So again, there's a $1.91 million in total requests, so we're weighing all of those applications

933
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:33,450
against each other.

934
01:09:34,190 --> 01:09:39,450
And then lastly, the application, particularly on the community engagement scoring criteria,

935
01:09:39,450 --> 01:09:43,970
which was 20 points, it didn't score that highly on it because it was mostly about an

936
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:48,010
Ancillary event related to Spectra Company that they were working on that wasn't quite

937
01:09:48,010 --> 01:09:52,030
to do specifically with the Harriet Tubman statue and it wasn't about engaging around

938
01:09:52,030 --> 01:09:56,190
the statue a more of a broader event and so it lost some points on that.

939
01:09:56,410 --> 01:10:01,850
It still ended up in what we call the acceptable category so we still continue the review.

940
01:10:03,630 --> 01:10:08,090
Now in that evaluation something important to notice is budget and it might be a little

941
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:10,610
hard for the audience to read here but I'll walk you through it a little bit.

942
01:10:10,610 --> 01:10:17,750
But the artist fee as proposed in the updated budget was $98,750.

943
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:24,950
And from that, we were able to determine that $66,750 in our estimate had already been

944
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:26,570
funded, as the artist was already paid.

945
01:10:27,370 --> 01:10:35,050
What that left was approximately $22,000 in mounting and other installation costs and an additional

946
01:10:35,050 --> 01:10:42,250
additional 20,000 for unfunded obligations for overhead, staffing for the installation, materials and supplies.

947
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:52,210
So from that, there was approximately $42,250 that represented work that hadn't been funded by anybody yet,

948
01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:58,870
whether it was the City of Pomona going to fund it, or Spectra Company or the artist herself.

949
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:14,180
Now there are a couple of parallel processes here just to complicate things further, but this is a proposed public art that has two interesting features to it. One, it's not in a pre-approved location.

950
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:22,880
So the Parks Commission hadn't looked at this particular location yet, which means it has to go to the Parks and Recreation Commission to get approval for the property to be used for that.

951
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:32,760
And the screen grab you see here is the center of Lincoln Park and the proposed statue is going to be located within the Rose Garden component of Lincoln Park within the Lincoln Park historic district.

952
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:41,740
The second variable there was it is in Lincoln Park historic district, so it's subject to 5080913, which is in the Pomona zoning code. It's a historic preservation section.

953
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,760
So staff did a couple of things with that.

954
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:49,840
Back on June 16th, we did take it to the Parks Commission as part of this evaluation process.

955
01:11:50,300 --> 01:11:57,560
And the location was approved, the center of the Rose Garden, to sit adjacent to a commemorative plaque that's already located there.

956
01:11:58,140 --> 01:12:04,080
And then a week later, staff reviewed a minor certificate of appropriateness, which is a historic review we conducted administratively.

957
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:09,780
And we approved it for historic review, deemed that statute do not have a negative impact on the district.

958
01:12:10,380 --> 01:12:11,400
And that was not appealed.

959
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:18,440
So from all of that, getting into step six here, which was a joint commission that took place on August 8th,

960
01:12:18,980 --> 01:12:24,880
we did recommend as staff funding the installation components that I mentioned here in the bottom right,

961
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:29,780
the 42,250 but not funding what had already been paid for.

962
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:36,680
At that August 8th meeting, it was a joint meeting between the Citizens Advisory Committee and the Cultural Arts Commission.

963
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,120
and a few things came up at that meeting.

964
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,540
First was there were still concerns

965
01:12:41,540 --> 01:12:43,820
about the unfunded budget line items as well.

966
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,520
In particular, the artist fee, the $22,000 for installation costs

967
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,520
in the estimate of some commissioners was conflating

968
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,240
with other installation and overhead costs.

969
01:12:54,740 --> 01:12:56,280
And there was a lack of clarity they felt

970
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,300
on why those line items were needed

971
01:12:58,300 --> 01:13:00,260
and perhaps the budget was inflated.

972
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:01,500
So they had questions about that.

973
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,680
They also had questions about the inability

974
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,760
for the committee to really offer any guidance

975
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,160
as an artist committee, because the work had already been completed.

976
01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:13,700
So in all of the 136 other requests, none of those pieces of art had been produced yet.

977
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,860
So in that case, the committee offers recommendations on style, on content, on engagement techniques

978
01:13:18,860 --> 01:13:22,120
and things of that nature, and they didn't feel they had that ability to do that already.

979
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:28,300
And then lastly, there was some confusion on P-town productions being in the title, as it

980
01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:32,260
came up in the public meeting on August 8th for the first time, that they were a non-profit,

981
01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:34,800
and they were intended to have a role in this project as well,

982
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,260
although from staff's review of the evaluation,

983
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:39,780
that was not made clear and we weren't aware of that.

984
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,660
There were a nonprofit that was involved in this.

985
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,680
So that raised some questions about Spectra's role,

986
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,120
Ptown Productions role, and the artist's role.

987
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:52,260
From that, the commission denied the requests

988
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:54,160
for funding in its entirety,

989
01:13:54,660 --> 01:13:57,740
based on those concerns and did not accept

990
01:13:57,740 --> 01:13:58,700
staff's recommendation.

991
01:13:58,700 --> 01:14:05,480
From that point, the applicant did file an appeal as the city council, as it's already

992
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:08,700
to appeal this commission decision, and that's what's before you tonight.

993
01:14:09,260 --> 01:14:14,500
So the request is whether on staff's recommendation here, we're recommending to uphold the Cultural

994
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:15,620
Arts Commission decision.

995
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:20,520
Reason for that is we initially came in with that staff recommendation of installation funding

996
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:26,220
based on what was determined and understood at that meeting on August 8th, and the decision

997
01:14:26,220 --> 01:14:31,500
that was made, staff felt that it was appropriate to recommend upholding what transpired at that meeting.

998
01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:36,880
Now, all this to say that the applicant can still pursue installing the statute.

999
01:14:37,260 --> 01:14:39,720
This is a question of funding from the Public Art Fund.

1000
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,740
So the applicant can still pursue installation in Lincoln Park.

1001
01:14:43,140 --> 01:14:44,300
It's approved as a location.

1002
01:14:44,860 --> 01:14:46,260
It's approved for historic review.

1003
01:14:46,740 --> 01:14:50,080
It's just a question of going before the commission as a self-funded project

1004
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:51,940
and requesting it be installed in the park.

1005
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,680
What was denied was the ability for the Public Art Fund to actually fund

1006
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,560
the installation. The alternative recommendation for you is that you could

1007
01:14:59,560 --> 01:14:59,980
I would recommend...

1008
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,540
So, there's some level of funding as an alternative staff recommendation. Now, that funding would be issued directly to the artist, Manolita Brown, as the Cultural Arts Commission program, we don't have the ability to fund a company directly as it gets into bidding and RFP situations in a public works kind of world. And so the way we've done this in the past, for instance, with the Miller Cheats Fountains, as you funded executing artists, and there can be subcontractors to that.

1009
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:31,060
but it's ultimately the artists overseeing the project.

1010
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,980
So the artist in this point would have to be centered

1011
01:15:33,980 --> 01:15:35,620
on that project to get funding

1012
01:15:35,620 --> 01:15:37,240
and that final budget and breakdown

1013
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:38,480
would need to be vetted by an artist.

1014
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,100
But staff's recommendation tonight

1015
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:42,040
would be to pull the cultural arts decision.

1016
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,420
And we're here to answer any questions.

1017
01:15:46,020 --> 01:15:47,080
All right, so thank you.

1018
01:15:47,420 --> 01:15:49,640
Before we have questions from the City Council,

1019
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,580
we're gonna go and take public comments.

1020
01:15:53,420 --> 01:15:55,140
And when we finish that,

1021
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,980
then I'm sure there will be questions for you.

1022
01:15:57,980 --> 01:16:04,780
and for the team. Okay, let's go ahead and first speak your up is Jim Galvan and then Mickey Galvan

1023
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:06,320
thereafter

1024
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:17,430
Thank you mayor and city council members always feel awkward any time

1025
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:22,350
I have something that that doesn't go against you what what everyone really like to hear

1026
01:16:22,350 --> 01:16:27,790
But really I am basically here to save this project should not be funded and

1027
01:16:27,790 --> 01:16:30,950
and I've gone to all three different commission meetings

1028
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:32,730
and followed the whole thing through

1029
01:16:32,730 --> 01:16:33,950
in really great detail.

1030
01:16:34,510 --> 01:16:36,010
First of all, I could talk just a little bit

1031
01:16:36,010 --> 01:16:38,610
about the Garfield statue and Garfield Park.

1032
01:16:38,990 --> 01:16:41,950
There is a statue after the great war

1033
01:16:41,950 --> 01:16:43,790
of this warrior returning.

1034
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:48,550
And behind it is Pomona taking the sword back from him.

1035
01:16:48,690 --> 01:16:53,230
It is one of the most beautiful iconic statues

1036
01:16:53,230 --> 01:16:54,930
that has ever been built.

1037
01:16:54,930 --> 01:17:00,150
Well, there were somewhere between two and 20,000 people that were there when it was

1038
01:17:00,150 --> 01:17:00,690
started.

1039
01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:12,790
But it was also a project that was designed by the city and it was for the city and

1040
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:18,950
this statue would only look good in Pomona and no other city would this be appropriate.

1041
01:17:19,190 --> 01:17:22,150
It was our symbol that we had there.

1042
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:31,820
with historical. One of the things that we talked about was the significance, basically,

1043
01:17:31,980 --> 01:17:38,920
of the center of the garden and things like that. And a lot of us do consider that the

1044
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:46,740
person who was there, what was a neighbor, and he created that this beautiful thing right

1045
01:17:46,740 --> 01:17:53,700
there in the center as a gift to the neighbors of that area because he helped to get people

1046
01:17:53,700 --> 01:18:00,840
to get loans for that whole area. Parks and wrecks were really not given that many choices

1047
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:06,620
in terms of where things could be. In fact, one of the things is if this one still needs to be

1048
01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:09,360
moved too far they have to start over again.

1049
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:15,540
Cultural arts, one of the things I want to see was

1050
01:18:15,540 --> 01:18:22,080
meaning put into this statute, whatever it was, it could be something that actually was

1051
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,220
something that was unique to Pomona.

1052
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:32,880
And I kept being told, well, at this commission, at this commission, finally it was, well, when

1053
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,480
we get to the Cultural Arts Commission, we can do it there.

1054
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:41,100
But they were only given the option of whether they funded it or not.

1055
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:47,920
They were not allowed to say, give it a bowl of fruit or something, you know, to make it

1056
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:52,620
where you look at that and you'd say, this is Pomona, something really to be proud of.

1057
01:18:53,220 --> 01:18:59,000
In fact, well, actually in the park itself, I would like to see either one multicultural

1058
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:06,360
statue or a statue, four different statues out, you know, showing the different cultures

1059
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:15,100
and the neighborhoods that these wonderful things were that our city really represents.

1060
01:19:16,220 --> 01:19:17,320
Thank you.

1061
01:19:17,980 --> 01:19:22,660
Mickey Galvin, you are up next and then Miranda Sheffield, you are there after.

1062
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,500
Thank you very much.

1063
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:31,100
I feel that the whole issue is very unfortunate.

1064
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:38,380
I love Ray and Michelle and Spectra, and I'm very glad that they are part of our city.

1065
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,160
Their home is beautiful.

1066
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:46,580
I've been those of their home probably ten times.

1067
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,620
And I really appreciate Ray's initiative.

1068
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:58,240
But I don't think that the process was the intended process was followed.

1069
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:04,100
We did not have an opportunity for input into this statute.

1070
01:20:04,780 --> 01:20:08,760
Harriet Tuglin was a wonderful woman, and I won't argue with that.

1071
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:11,280
But this statute could go anywhere.

1072
01:20:11,820 --> 01:20:13,340
I made it to be in Pasadena.

1073
01:20:13,580 --> 01:20:15,300
I could be in New York, New Jersey.

1074
01:20:15,820 --> 01:20:19,240
In fact, it probably will be the same statute.

1075
01:20:20,140 --> 01:20:22,880
So I don't think it represents our city very well.

1076
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:27,820
and I don't feel that Lincoln Park is the appropriate place.

1077
01:20:28,300 --> 01:20:33,600
We just heard a presentation of the youth activities

1078
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,140
in our city this summer.

1079
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:42,300
Lincoln Park was not mentioned as having any of those youth activities.

1080
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:44,660
Lincoln Park has no parking.

1081
01:20:45,340 --> 01:20:48,260
I mean, if you're going to have a beautiful statue,

1082
01:20:48,260 --> 01:20:56,700
you, it needs to be seen by the people of Pomona. And I think it needs to be seen especially

1083
01:20:57,140 --> 01:21:03,200
by the youth of Pomona. And it's not going to be seen by them in Lincoln Park. I think

1084
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:09,520
we have one group that plays soccer in Lincoln Park one day. Other than that, kids come

1085
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:14,140
and use the playground, and they're all neighborhood kids there.

1086
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:19,040
It just isn't the appropriate place.

1087
01:21:19,740 --> 01:21:23,400
A much, the civic center would be a more appropriate place.

1088
01:21:23,740 --> 01:21:26,660
We have lots of kids here, people come to the library.

1089
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,600
Martin Luther King would be an appropriate place.

1090
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:35,240
The school administration building, out in front of it,

1091
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:39,780
everybody goes down Gary, people come to the auditorium there.

1092
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:43,840
I just think that it needs

1093
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:53,940
to be re looked at and a better decision made with respect to the statute if the city is going

1094
01:21:53,940 --> 01:22:00,920
to provide public funding for it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, I'll go ahead and call up

1095
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:05,140
Well, Miranda Sheffield, then I look like I have

1096
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,520
Anita Reynolds, your up button thereafter.

1097
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:09,600
Welcome, Ms. Sheffield.

1098
01:22:09,940 --> 01:22:11,180
Good evening, Mayor, City Council.

1099
01:22:11,580 --> 01:22:16,180
I'm here to speak in support of the decision

1100
01:22:16,180 --> 01:22:20,080
that was made by the Cultural Arts Commission on August 8th.

1101
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:23,460
As a former Arts and Culture Commissioner,

1102
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,420
I understand the importance of supporting

1103
01:22:25,420 --> 01:22:27,220
our arts and culture community.

1104
01:22:27,220 --> 01:22:43,560
I was not able to attend the August 8th meeting, but I have a lot of reasons why I do not support this particular statue in the way that it has been presented, not that I do not love Harriet Tubman.

1105
01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:56,480
I think Harriet Tubman should be honored in our city because her values and what she did recognizes a lot of people who are here in our city and we should find ways to do that in a much more meaningful way.

1106
01:22:56,480 --> 01:23:07,280
rather than someone like Ray going on Fox and trying to chalk, trying to cloud chase after the legacy of Harriet Tubman.

1107
01:23:07,860 --> 01:23:15,580
I also think that the biggest thing about this is that a lot of people will say this is about freedom and quality and people love to throw those words around.

1108
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:25,380
But what doesn't get addressed is that there's actually issues that are taking place here that have to do with a lot of black women.

1109
01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:29,980
And I don't think we have done enough to really honor that or to really set an agenda

1110
01:23:29,980 --> 01:23:30,920
inside around that.

1111
01:23:31,580 --> 01:23:37,980
And from another point that I want to raise is that there was over 137 applications.

1112
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:45,000
Somehow I feel like particularly with the mayor having such close proximity to this particular

1113
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,320
project, it shows it's not an impartial situation that took place.

1114
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:57,020
It was as if this involvement with this, it showed that, you know, there was some form of

1115
01:23:57,820 --> 01:24:03,600
favoritism and there was also something that, to me, alluded that this had already kind

1116
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,020
of been guaranteed that we're going to do this, we're going to move forward with this.

1117
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:10,400
And it seemed like it was already in the motions that it would be guaranteed.

1118
01:24:11,140 --> 01:24:15,820
Another thing is that some of these folks who have done these visual arts applications,

1119
01:24:15,820 --> 01:24:29,020
I would hate that this was set of presidents that when someone gets denied an application that they would then be able to come and waste staff's time, waste everyone else's time to go through this process.

1120
01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:37,620
When it has already been decided that we, there was a process that we honored, there was a process that took place that we don't want this to happen.

1121
01:24:37,620 --> 01:24:42,440
And now we're seeing that we have to come on a Monday night to talk about this.

1122
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,820
Harriet Tubman, it was a wonderful freedom fighter, but

1123
01:24:46,820 --> 01:24:52,040
I think that this whole process, even in the map that has been asked, given that the artists has already been paid for.

1124
01:24:52,260 --> 01:24:56,980
It should not be approved and that we should support the decision that the staff is putting forward tonight.

1125
01:24:57,500 --> 01:25:02,680
And also honor those who have put their applications in like they did.

1126
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,660
who have even, I understand that a lot of them did not even have an opportunity to have

1127
01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:10,360
the applications reviewed because this was taking so much time away from that process.

1128
01:25:12,860 --> 01:25:17,160
Courtney, let's see, Anita Reynolds, and then Anne Toppins, Europe.

1129
01:25:18,900 --> 01:25:23,440
Good evening, Mayor and Council, thank you for the opportunity to speak.

1130
01:25:23,740 --> 01:25:29,060
My name is Anita Reynolds, I'm the Chair of the Cultural Arts Commission and also a committee

1131
01:25:29,060 --> 01:25:29,520
member.

1132
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:39,680
This entire project has read of privilege, power, and position.

1133
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:47,860
It has been done inappropriately and like no other project that we have ever approved

1134
01:25:47,860 --> 01:25:48,800
of before.

1135
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:57,780
We have as staff stated, we have over 100 submissions for AIPP funding and we have

1136
01:25:57,780 --> 01:26:04,800
artists that work two full-time jobs, you know, they would come in, work with staff, get rejected,

1137
01:26:05,180 --> 01:26:12,040
or have to have their projects refined, but still, they did the correct process.

1138
01:26:13,540 --> 01:26:20,760
Spectra's Flash P-Town Company had a whole campaign, including a website, social media,

1139
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:39,060
television interviews, a whole kaboom event around this statute and it never got to the commission or to the cultural arts committee as is a requirement for AIPP funding.

1140
01:26:39,060 --> 01:26:47,000
It would be blatantly unfair to every artist in this city who went about it the right way,

1141
01:26:47,420 --> 01:26:53,260
took the time, took their money, took their resources, took their rejection and came back,

1142
01:26:53,860 --> 01:26:57,900
and worked with staff and presented as they were supposed to.

1143
01:26:58,740 --> 01:27:06,280
It would set, as Mayor said, a slippery slope for everybody coming after this.

1144
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:10,920
It is flagrantly unfair for them to use AIPP funding.

1145
01:27:11,500 --> 01:27:16,840
I am a huge Harriet Tubman fan, but she would not even approve of this process.

1146
01:27:17,300 --> 01:27:20,080
It is unfair to the artists in the city.

1147
01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:21,460
Thank you very much.

1148
01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:23,500
Thank you, Antonin, you're up.

1149
01:27:32,690 --> 01:27:35,290
Good evening, thank you for the opportunity to speak on this item.

1150
01:27:35,550 --> 01:27:43,290
I actually live very close to this park and I did want to speak about my surprise

1151
01:27:43,290 --> 01:27:47,550
is to hear that this project was marked down on engagement.

1152
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:51,110
Because if there were a project that were proposed

1153
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:53,450
under this hundred and some projects,

1154
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:57,070
this is the one that seemed to have the most engagement

1155
01:27:57,070 --> 01:27:58,010
around it.

1156
01:27:58,450 --> 01:28:02,650
And in terms of numerous community meetings, commission meetings,

1157
01:28:02,910 --> 01:28:05,370
I was able to attend the Parks and Rec Commission meeting

1158
01:28:05,730 --> 01:28:08,390
and was really impressed with the speakers

1159
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:12,350
who spoke in favor of this statue for the Parks and Rec Commission.

1160
01:28:12,350 --> 01:28:18,050
and how much it would mean to them to have a statue like this in Pomona.

1161
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:24,570
And so to see that level of engagement and the number of people who showed up at the event

1162
01:28:24,570 --> 01:28:32,270
and how excited people were about it and to see my neighbors drawing on their wall facing the park, welcome Harriet Tubman.

1163
01:28:32,970 --> 01:28:40,990
And then to get to the arts commission and say this doesn't qualify because we didn't get to dictate exactly what it looks like

1164
01:28:40,990 --> 01:28:48,250
Or we didn't get to choose the artist, it just, if that's what our program is, I think we need to rework it.

1165
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:52,090
I think that the goal should be to have art in the city.

1166
01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:53,550
It shouldn't be just murals.

1167
01:28:53,650 --> 01:28:59,690
When you look at the collection of murals that they were approving, their murals are most of the projects.

1168
01:28:59,930 --> 01:29:06,690
They were only, I think, four sculptures proposed, and this is not competing with any other proposed project in Lincoln Park.

1169
01:29:06,690 --> 01:29:16,730
And to suggest that spectra somehow, it would be wrong to have spectra join in, this is a designated historic site.

1170
01:29:17,410 --> 01:29:23,590
To in order to put art in a site like that, you absolutely want to be partnering with an expert in historic preservation.

1171
01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:27,230
That would have been essential to have a project approved in Lincoln Park.

1172
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:35,010
So to call that a negative or an abuse of the process, when that would be a necessary step to make sure that all parks in the city

1173
01:29:35,010 --> 01:29:37,810
had an opportunity to have art in the park.

1174
01:29:38,090 --> 01:29:43,250
It is really puzzling to me that that could be the recommendation of staff.

1175
01:29:43,850 --> 01:29:50,870
And it sure looked to me like this was simply a bias that they had an overbroad request for art.

1176
01:29:51,150 --> 01:29:55,390
Had too many applicants and this was a large dollar item and thought, well,

1177
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:59,910
he'll probably just pay for it anyways so we won't, we'll say it doesn't qualify.

1178
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,640
If I and not allocate any funds to it. And that just does not seem fair to me at all. I've read through the manuals. I don't see where this violates any of the manual processes at all. It really seemed very biased to me against both spectra and against this historic park. There were a lot of people speaking in favor. They probably given up by the time that it's got to an appeal after speaking at numerous community meetings. But I did want to share my perspective.

1179
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:30,960
of the situation. Thank you.

1180
01:30:32,020 --> 01:30:32,740
Thank you.

1181
01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:33,500
Okay.

1182
01:30:35,380 --> 01:30:38,260
That completes the public comment portion.

1183
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,380
I want to make sure I didn't miss anyone.

1184
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,360
Anybody turn on a card?

1185
01:30:43,380 --> 01:30:45,900
Just want to make sure that we capture everyone.

1186
01:30:46,140 --> 01:30:48,000
Okay, very good. All right, City Council.

1187
01:30:48,220 --> 01:30:50,260
This is your opportunity to ask questions to weigh in

1188
01:30:51,420 --> 01:30:54,540
and to contribute to the conversation.

1189
01:30:55,540 --> 01:30:56,880
And I would be happy to start.

1190
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:10,440
I want to just to the best that I can lay out how this started as an idea to where we're

1191
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:10,860
at today.

1192
01:31:11,740 --> 01:31:18,120
One thing I do want to express is that one of the things I appreciate about where

1193
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,560
we're at in this country is that you have an opportunity to disagree.

1194
01:31:22,260 --> 01:31:27,420
You have an opportunity to voice a different opinion, but at the end of the day, some of

1195
01:31:27,420 --> 01:31:31,240
you are my neighbors, some of you, we go to events together.

1196
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:36,300
I appreciate you, I admire you for the work you do, but this is one of those times where

1197
01:31:36,300 --> 01:31:37,980
I'm going to disagree with some of you.

1198
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:44,620
But I hope that at the end of the day that we appreciate our differences and that we don't

1199
01:31:44,620 --> 01:31:49,880
get into these camps where I won't talk to you, I won't meet with you, I just don't believe

1200
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:54,220
that that is the way in which we're all simply going to help transform this community.

1201
01:31:54,860 --> 01:32:05,740
So with that, this project came out of a conversation that happened shortly after George Floyd was murdered in this country.

1202
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:07,900
Okay, hang on.

1203
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:09,740
I'm sorry, Mr. Fulve.

1204
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:11,200
You've had a chance to speak.

1205
01:32:11,620 --> 01:32:12,240
I'm speaking.

1206
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,340
I'm telling you about the history of how this idea was born.

1207
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,400
If you don't like it, that's on you.

1208
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:23,500
Okay, but if you continue, I will just ask politely to ask you to be rude.

1209
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,880
I don't want to do that, but don't question me.

1210
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:34,300
Okay, you question me privately, you question me outside here, but in this meeting, I am the chair of this meeting, and I'm going to say what I'm going to say because it's factual.

1211
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:35,940
Okay, already.

1212
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,740
One more time and you're out, simple as that.

1213
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:44,920
Okay, when George Floyd was murdered, I called my call to our commissioner and I said,

1214
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:54,520
Josh, you know, I think we ought to do something in the city that perhaps reflects the history

1215
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:59,380
of the African-American experience. And I said, perhaps we do a statue of Frederick Douglass.

1216
01:33:00,020 --> 01:33:05,840
And at that time, I'd call together a group of African-American leaders to the table to ask

1217
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:11,640
them, what should we do at this point? What should we do? I want to listen to you. I want to learn

1218
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:17,720
from you, and a group of African-American leaders met, and out of that came a number of

1219
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:22,900
things that I did, but that they did, which included the ultimate opening of the African-American

1220
01:33:22,900 --> 01:33:27,500
advisory alliance that they formed, and that we supported with the work at security.

1221
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:34,520
The idea came out of that particular situation that happened in Minneapolis.

1222
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,540
I did not do anything with it for a long time.

1223
01:33:37,900 --> 01:33:38,900
I did not move on it.

1224
01:33:38,900 --> 01:33:45,220
I did not say anything about it, and it happened that I was at a Christmas party that was organized

1225
01:33:45,220 --> 01:33:50,480
by Spectrum where Ray Adamick talked about his, what he called, the racial reconciliation,

1226
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:58,000
which as a white man, he wanted to better understand the situation of African Americans in this country,

1227
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:02,880
and he went through a process, he can tell you more about that, okay? Okay.

1228
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:07,510
It's incredibly

1229
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:13,670
disrespectful folks. I am asked to listen for three minutes to somebody who has a different opinion

1230
01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:19,490
but I can't speak the truth of what I'm telling you. It's basically saying that what I'm telling you

1231
01:34:19,490 --> 01:34:24,850
is not accurate and I'm telling you exactly what happened. Because you need to have the background

1232
01:34:24,850 --> 01:34:30,690
when somebody accuses me of not having integrity I have been a mayor that has tried to operate

1233
01:34:30,690 --> 01:34:35,490
with integrity. We're talking about a Harriet Tubman statue.

1234
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:41,400
We're talking about a Harriet Tubman statue.

1235
01:34:41,740 --> 01:34:46,540
That statue wouldn't even have been possible in the city of Pomona when the city was first formed.

1236
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:54,480
It would not even ever have been called Lincoln Park was called Lincoln Park because that was palatable when it was first formed.

1237
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,500
But it never would have been called Harriet Tubman Park.

1238
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:03,800
And there's a controversy about a Harriet Tubman statue in Lincoln Park, and who's going

1239
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:04,380
to fund it?

1240
01:35:07,820 --> 01:35:08,960
So let me continue.

1241
01:35:10,780 --> 01:35:16,560
So I was at this event, Ray talked about his home city in Canada, that it was one of

1242
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:22,200
the last stops of the Underground Railroad, and he said there's a church that Harriet Tubman

1243
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:28,460
used to attend there, and it was somewhat dilapidated, and he wanted to undertake a project

1244
01:35:28,460 --> 01:35:34,320
to help rehabilitate the property and he talked about it there and I thought oh that's great he's

1245
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:40,120
doing some good work and he's using his spectral work to get to helping rehabilitate this.

1246
01:35:42,420 --> 01:35:46,600
Maybe a week after because this was around Christmas time I think it was after Christmas I called

1247
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:51,840
Ray and I said listen Ray I talked to my cultural arts commissioner some time ago about doing

1248
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:58,260
a statue of Frederick Douglass but maybe it makes sense to do a statue of Harriet Tubman.

1249
01:35:58,260 --> 01:36:02,060
And I think it would be a great contribution to the city of Pomona.

1250
01:36:02,580 --> 01:36:08,280
And I thought Lincoln Park for this reason because the fact of the matter is that Lincoln

1251
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:12,600
is associated with the emancipation and the end of slavery, right?

1252
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:22,980
Not that other Hamilton or Washington or any other Garfield didn't play a role in the actual

1253
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:28,140
expression of slavery, the actual exploitation and oppression of African American people.

1254
01:36:28,660 --> 01:36:31,960
But it was Lincoln that's associated with the emancipation.

1255
01:36:32,060 --> 01:36:33,260
But we know that's not accurate.

1256
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:39,280
We know that's a very complex history, and that blacks were not just free.

1257
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:44,640
And why would it be important to have an expression of the black experience, the African American

1258
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:49,340
experience, of Harriet Tubman, to be at this park that at a time where African Americans

1259
01:36:49,340 --> 01:36:50,380
couldn't even live in that neighborhood?

1260
01:36:50,380 --> 01:36:57,760
nor a brown man like me, who lives in Lincoln Park now, was not possible.

1261
01:36:58,940 --> 01:37:04,960
And so I said, maybe we got to do a statue of Harriet Tubman, and I was really excited

1262
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:05,520
about it.

1263
01:37:07,260 --> 01:37:13,960
So time goes on, and I had already known that the city was going to have a process for

1264
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,500
requesting art proposals.

1265
01:37:17,900 --> 01:37:25,080
And I can't say that I fully understood every aspect of the process, but I know staff does an excellent job of providing people with a process.

1266
01:37:26,820 --> 01:37:35,220
And so Ray and his team engaged the staff on this project. I know that they spoke to you pretty regularly. Is that fair to say?

1267
01:37:36,140 --> 01:37:36,700
That's correct.

1268
01:37:36,700 --> 01:37:48,100
And I believe that there was no juncture was there any rejection of what he was doing

1269
01:37:48,700 --> 01:37:56,520
with his process that said, right, you've been disqualified because you've already completed the project.

1270
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:05,440
Yeah, we did not disqualify the project at the time of us answering questions about the feature application.

1271
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,960
Yeah, we did not know the work had already been completed.

1272
01:38:08,060 --> 01:38:08,140
Right.

1273
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:15,860
So once we learn that in the evaluation process, it just raised a question of which portion to fund for staff and recommend.

1274
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:24,480
And there's no and I want to be respectful of staff and her interpretation, but there was nothing in the process because that's that's what.

1275
01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:29,500
Vanita and the cultural arts commission said it was a process problem, right?

1276
01:38:29,620 --> 01:38:36,280
Not whether they were questioning the statute, or they weren't questioning where it should go because that decision had already been decided.

1277
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,180
But they were questioning the process, right?

1278
01:38:39,580 --> 01:38:46,020
And my question is, at any point in the process where they told you are not eligible because of the manner in which you've done it.

1279
01:38:46,020 --> 01:38:52,540
No, but as I noted earlier, on the community engagement scoring, it makes it very difficult

1280
01:38:52,540 --> 01:38:58,620
to evaluate an application when the statute itself was unveiled and there was promotion

1281
01:38:58,620 --> 01:39:05,140
around it, which made it difficult to evaluate objectively how to score that application

1282
01:39:05,140 --> 01:39:07,340
when there was already publicity around it.

1283
01:39:07,340 --> 01:39:08,240
And was he told that?

1284
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:12,740
Was he told that he shouldn't do it, should he wait?

1285
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,820
Yeah, it was in my place to tell him what to do on that.

1286
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:22,200
Right, but he came to us for the purpose of getting funding, right?

1287
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:22,520
Right.

1288
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:26,260
Okay, and obviously that was an important part of his decision to go ahead and move forward on.

1289
01:39:27,180 --> 01:39:28,520
I presume, right?

1290
01:39:28,620 --> 01:39:30,400
Because he thought maybe he might be eligible for funding.

1291
01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:33,280
You just had two things, one mayor.

1292
01:39:33,420 --> 01:39:37,440
I think it's important to note on the original application form,

1293
01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:39,720
which was an online application in the initial statement.

1294
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,100
and it does say we're seeking conceptual art.

1295
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:45,640
So that's one component that just kind of adds to that.

1296
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:46,980
Can you explain that to us?

1297
01:39:46,980 --> 01:39:50,920
Yeah, so conceptual is what all the other applications are

1298
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:52,900
that we received, which means it was an idea.

1299
01:39:53,060 --> 01:39:55,100
It was a concept for the commission and the committee

1300
01:39:55,100 --> 01:39:58,680
to weigh in on the content, type of art, all of that.

1301
01:39:59,480 --> 01:40:02,500
And then secondly, in terms of what Ray was told,

1302
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:05,660
it's a little bit of it was unfolding as it happened.

1303
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,120
So the event was in July.

1304
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:14,520
this we took this in August right for decision so we weren't fully aware of all

1305
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:19,220
of the things surrounding the events and it's being fully funded until in

1306
01:40:19,220 --> 01:40:23,320
August we were already deep into the score so a little bit that kind of made

1307
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:28,240
that a little bit more complex the process as well. That's helpful because what I'm

1308
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:35,160
hearing you say is that in the language it said conceptual right and I would

1309
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:38,200
But imagine we can delve deeper into what does it mean to conceptual, right?

1310
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:42,180
It means that conceptual meaning, like, I need to bring you the idea and then you need

1311
01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:46,920
to tell me how to do it or recommend that maybe you need to change this or change that.

1312
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:53,340
And conceptual can also mean the person already has the idea in their head about exactly how

1313
01:40:53,340 --> 01:40:53,920
they're going to do it.

1314
01:40:54,120 --> 01:41:00,240
But what I'm hearing you say is you were actually looking for ideas that people had of projects

1315
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:02,140
that were not yet completed.

1316
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:04,380
Yeah, that's part of it.

1317
01:41:04,380 --> 01:41:23,480
And I would say that the key point here that's the crux of all of this is that the artists had already been paid right I think that changed the evaluation significantly because it there's a question of providing concept or even if work had been completed as a conceptual and now we were seeking art funding.

1318
01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:32,500
But we wanted to tease out the portion that was in a competitive environment not necessary for funding is that the artist in our conversation had already been paid.

1319
01:41:32,500 --> 01:41:38,360
Right, okay, so very helpful and I'm sure it's probably very helpful to the council

1320
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:45,680
But you also said that you supported the at least the stock recommendation was that

1321
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:51,780
You supported the installation of the statue as well as the upkeep of the statue

1322
01:41:51,780 --> 01:41:55,540
Which can you remind me with that amount is yeah?

1323
01:41:55,560 --> 01:42:00,420
I think I have I need I know you sent me that information, but I just want to double check although this phone is out

1324
01:42:00,420 --> 01:42:04,060
So yeah, so that's 42,500 was a recommendation.

1325
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,880
So staff did recommend approving

1326
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:09,240
the unfunded portions of the project.

1327
01:42:09,540 --> 01:42:12,740
That represented installation and transportation costs.

1328
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,140
Essentially what we determined in our best guess

1329
01:42:15,700 --> 01:42:17,920
were elements that had not been funded yet.

1330
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:22,800
Okay, and where do I get the $62,000 figure in my head?

1331
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:27,480
That was the original recommendation, am I just, am I lost?

1332
01:42:27,480 --> 01:42:38,440
So yeah, the original unfunded he originally submitted a proposal that was for a hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars. Yeah, he subsequently revised that down to a hundred and nineteen thousand.

1333
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:41,080
We didn't have a copy of that.

1334
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:45,300
Unfortunately, that's an error on my part. He had sent it to me. I hadn't seen it.

1335
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:45,520
Okay.

1336
01:42:45,820 --> 01:42:51,460
So at the time of staff report writing for the August 8 agenda, I was still under the impression that is one fifty eight.

1337
01:42:51,460 --> 01:42:58,400
So the recommendation of 63 was based on the first budget when we got the updated budget it shranked down to

1338
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:05,300
425 right okay, okay, so so that's the number that you've you've since landed on since the cultural arts commission.

1339
01:43:05,480 --> 01:43:10,540
We brought that forward to the committee and commission of the joint session right and they saw they saw an amount of

1340
01:43:10,540 --> 01:43:18,280
42,000. They saw 4,500 now what came up at that meeting was questions about whether that full amount was

1341
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:25,160
necessary to execute the installation because I will note that the original amount of 95,000 for

1342
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:32,640
the artist was subsequently revised to include $22,000 for installation and that was a lot different

1343
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:38,440
than the original budget. We took it at face value to identify anything that was unfunded and make

1344
01:43:38,440 --> 01:43:43,840
that recommendation because the application was considered acceptable but the commission did have

1345
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:48,440
questions about wanting to verify whether all of that amount was really necessary to execute the work.

1346
01:43:48,820 --> 01:43:49,100
Thank you.

1347
01:43:49,540 --> 01:43:50,320
Appreciate that.

1348
01:43:51,100 --> 01:44:01,080
Not a little just background in terms of how we're here today is I had organized a community meeting at Lincoln Park.

1349
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:04,320
That was attended by I know the need that you were there.

1350
01:44:04,820 --> 01:44:06,520
I know Mickey, Jim, you were there.

1351
01:44:07,260 --> 01:44:09,020
I know council member on the various coals there.

1352
01:44:09,620 --> 01:44:12,100
And it was to talk about this very statue.

1353
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:20,220
I believe, I want to say that was back in June, maybe May or June, it was well attended.

1354
01:44:21,260 --> 01:44:24,620
And I would have to say that the majority of the people that were there supported it.

1355
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:28,780
There were a few people who clearly did not want to see it there, and I respect that.

1356
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,540
That's, hey, it should go somewhere else, Mickey, I know you said, hey, listen, maybe it goes

1357
01:44:32,540 --> 01:44:33,660
at the civic center, right?

1358
01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:35,500
It's more accessible to people.

1359
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:41,140
And so there was a range of different opinions, but I think on the whole, the people that

1360
01:44:41,140 --> 01:44:42,700
or there were very supportive of it.

1361
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:46,700
And then there's a process that you have to go through, right?

1362
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:50,640
In order to do something like this, in this case a statue,

1363
01:44:51,460 --> 01:44:53,940
it wasn't my mandate, it wasn't saying,

1364
01:44:54,300 --> 01:44:56,160
in fact, I didn't even attend the cultural art.

1365
01:44:56,300 --> 01:44:59,220
I didn't attend any of the meetings, and I didn't weigh in at all.

1366
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:14,940
On this run. This was the parks and rec, this was the cultural arts commission, and this is the HPC. Didn't write anything, didn't say anything. Okay. And in fact, if it didn't go in Lincoln Park, it just didn't go in Lincoln Park, I'm fine with that.

1367
01:45:17,460 --> 01:45:29,560
But the question here is, does this project deserve funding? And it sounds like to me that you think it does, but to a point. And that's what you told the cultural arts commission, and they rejected it outright.

1368
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,260
with the exception of I believe

1369
01:45:32,260 --> 01:45:34,480
one, my call to our commissioner.

1370
01:45:34,860 --> 01:45:35,000
Two.

1371
01:45:35,580 --> 01:45:35,720
Two.

1372
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:36,500
Okay.

1373
01:45:37,660 --> 01:45:39,200
So what you're telling,

1374
01:45:39,300 --> 01:45:40,300
what you're telling the council

1375
01:45:40,300 --> 01:45:42,300
is that the council can't approve

1376
01:45:42,300 --> 01:45:43,020
some amount.

1377
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:45,820
And your recommendation was 42,000.

1378
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:47,640
Whatever that amount is.

1379
01:45:48,660 --> 01:45:50,380
Even though there were problems in the

1380
01:45:50,380 --> 01:45:52,680
wasn't a clean application process.

1381
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:53,560
And by the way,

1382
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:54,960
were there any other community meetings

1383
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:56,160
around any of these other art pieces?

1384
01:45:57,420 --> 01:45:59,040
So just to clarify,

1385
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:00,660
by appointing about the community engagement.

1386
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:02,640
There's no requirement to have community meetings.

1387
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:04,500
So none of the 137 applications

1388
01:46:05,060 --> 01:46:06,360
have to have a community meeting.

1389
01:46:06,820 --> 01:46:08,400
It's more about an intent statement

1390
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,360
on how, if they got approved,

1391
01:46:10,940 --> 01:46:12,260
they would engage the community

1392
01:46:12,260 --> 01:46:13,860
around shaping their artwork.

1393
01:46:14,260 --> 01:46:16,720
So a muralist coming into Tony Certa Park

1394
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:18,640
would have to provide a paragraph or two

1395
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,900
explaining how they would do some kind of community event

1396
01:46:21,900 --> 01:46:25,600
or artist-driven event to solicit the youth maybe

1397
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,460
to help out with them or, you know, solicit ideas

1398
01:46:28,460 --> 01:46:33,440
like that. So that engagement is what we're talking about with that. There was no requirement to

1399
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:38,300
have a meeting about that. Okay. All right. I probably have a couple more questions, but I want

1400
01:46:38,300 --> 01:46:42,240
to make sure we hear from our colleagues. But thank you, staff. I know that it was not an easy

1401
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:48,100
process. I understand that you were there all night, and I know there were a number of people who

1402
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:53,140
wanted to speak on that item. Unfortunately, they didn't get to speak on it because it went well

1403
01:46:53,140 --> 01:46:56,960
past midnight, I think. So let's make sure this meeting doesn't go well past midnight,

1404
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:04,420
and we get this resolved. I see a council member on a vice mayor on a rose call has her

1405
01:47:04,420 --> 01:47:07,200
hand up and then council member Garcia.

1406
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:10,260
Thank you, Mayor.

1407
01:47:14,250 --> 01:47:15,450
I knew there was going to be

1408
01:47:15,450 --> 01:47:24,890
some type of conflict regarding this issue. First of all, we're not talking about the

1409
01:47:24,890 --> 01:47:25,750
statue itself.

1410
01:47:26,170 --> 01:47:28,150
What we're talking about is the process.

1411
01:47:28,330 --> 01:47:37,770
We're talking about the channels that we have to go through if we are initiating something to the cultural and art.

1412
01:47:38,190 --> 01:47:42,350
I think the Chair, Benito Reynolds, explained it quite thoroughly.

1413
01:47:42,810 --> 01:47:46,130
I think it was explained quite thoroughly from staff.

1414
01:47:46,370 --> 01:47:47,510
Thank you, Mr. Conn.

1415
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:48,430
My

1416
01:47:51,180 --> 01:48:04,280
feeling is this, if we are to submit some type of a project, we do need to honor that

1417
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:06,240
policy, that procedure.

1418
01:48:08,380 --> 01:48:12,800
It doesn't matter who you are, but you have to follow it.

1419
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:17,040
Unfortunately, this was not the case.

1420
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:39,830
What I read here in this, the application in regards to spectra, first it was considered spectra and then somehow it was suddenly the title reference the village p town productions, but yet there was nothing executing that the paperwork correct.

1421
01:48:40,350 --> 01:48:44,790
Yeah, it wasn't throughout the evaluation process, it was our understanding that it was

1422
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:46,070
Manolid and Spectra Company.

1423
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:46,590
Yeah.

1424
01:48:46,710 --> 01:48:51,670
At the August 8 meeting, Ray and public comment indicated that it's actually P town productions

1425
01:48:51,670 --> 01:48:53,010
is involved as a nonprofit.

1426
01:48:53,410 --> 01:48:54,210
We were not aware of that.

1427
01:48:54,290 --> 01:48:55,450
It was the first time we were hearing that.

1428
01:48:55,970 --> 01:48:56,270
Yes.

1429
01:48:57,990 --> 01:49:05,910
And you had notified Manolid to Brown and to understand her role better in this, correct?

1430
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:06,610
Yeah.

1431
01:49:07,010 --> 01:49:07,210
Okay.

1432
01:49:07,210 --> 01:49:13,450
Okay, she was paid in advance, correct?

1433
01:49:13,890 --> 01:49:18,010
So I contacted Manolito with my staff to ask a series of questions.

1434
01:49:18,330 --> 01:49:19,630
We confirmed her involvement.

1435
01:49:20,010 --> 01:49:24,250
She did confirm that she's being paid for the work and that she wouldn't finish the

1436
01:49:24,250 --> 01:49:26,290
work until she was going to receive full payment.

1437
01:49:26,890 --> 01:49:32,430
I didn't go into it beyond that, but that was enough for me to verify that the artist had

1438
01:49:32,430 --> 01:49:32,770
been paid.

1439
01:49:33,130 --> 01:49:36,130
Well, she wanted to be guaranteed that she was going to get paid, I think.

1440
01:49:37,110 --> 01:49:38,230
That's actually what she said.

1441
01:49:38,230 --> 01:49:48,490
Yes, there you go, the Unity Day LA and and all of the things that we're going on regarding this statue.

1442
01:49:50,570 --> 01:50:00,330
That's aside from what we're talking about tonight, we're talking about funding, we're talking about paying the applicant.

1443
01:50:03,250 --> 01:50:06,990
We need to understand something when we take something before a commission.

1444
01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:12,830
These commissioners are an extension of the council.

1445
01:50:14,610 --> 01:50:20,090
We have appointed these people, and I think they're doing their due diligence.

1446
01:50:20,890 --> 01:50:28,570
I think it's not just a slam dunk, but this is something that they take hours of preparation.

1447
01:50:29,890 --> 01:50:45,010
I believe from what I understood that this particular council meeting was up until one o'clock in the morning from all of these applicants if I if I'm mistaken they sell because this was what I was told.

1448
01:50:45,670 --> 01:50:47,290
And this is a long process.

1449
01:50:47,290 --> 01:50:47,490
Yes.

1450
01:50:48,230 --> 01:50:50,630
It was a lost track of time, but yeah.

1451
01:50:50,730 --> 01:50:51,070
Okay.

1452
01:50:52,210 --> 01:50:52,950
You were there.

1453
01:50:53,070 --> 01:50:54,350
It was one meeting that went past midnight.

1454
01:50:54,350 --> 01:50:54,890
We've had.

1455
01:50:55,110 --> 01:50:55,690
Well, that was.

1456
01:50:55,930 --> 01:50:56,450
That was it.

1457
01:50:56,570 --> 01:50:56,930
Okay.

1458
01:50:57,290 --> 01:51:03,230
This was when we had all of this going on because we're discussing important issues.

1459
01:51:03,250 --> 01:51:10,290
We're discussing issues and projects that are related to the money that we are going to

1460
01:51:10,290 --> 01:51:11,390
use for these projects.

1461
01:51:15,650 --> 01:51:23,490
So, understood that Spectra did pay in advance, probably with the intention of getting paid,

1462
01:51:23,870 --> 01:51:25,910
being reassured that he would get paid.

1463
01:51:26,510 --> 01:51:30,390
But how can we promise that, okay?

1464
01:51:30,930 --> 01:51:37,210
The project was a complete project, so that also had a little ding.

1465
01:51:37,210 --> 01:51:44,090
That's probably why it was acceptable from 40 to 80 points compared to some of the other ones.

1466
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:48,370
Another question I have, and I have high respect for Mandelita Brown.

1467
01:51:48,590 --> 01:51:49,850
I think she did a beautiful job.

1468
01:51:50,350 --> 01:52:02,170
I think Harriet Tubman stands for something, like I read in a letter here from the project manager of spectra.

1469
01:52:03,050 --> 01:52:15,650
that the citizens of Pomona and Pilgrims are freedom who long to witness the exaltation of the Harriet Tubman statue in Lincoln Park, eagerly anticipate this work's dedication.

1470
01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:23,530
We're not talking about that, we're talking about the funding, we're talking about will this company get reimbursed?

1471
01:52:25,090 --> 01:52:35,910
Another question I have is how could you bypass a commission, a cultural art?

1472
01:52:37,170 --> 01:52:38,210
How can you do that?

1473
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:42,510
But yet you can go to a park and wreck.

1474
01:52:43,330 --> 01:52:50,310
And another question I have in regards to the Rose Garden, I believe it was Mr. Kuhn,

1475
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:54,150
who created this Rose Garden, what, maybe 80, 90 years ago?

1476
01:52:54,390 --> 01:53:04,210
I mean, this is a tradition, a traditional historic plaque dedicated to the people and his wife, who love roses.

1477
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:13,270
So there's a history there, and to plant another historical monument in the same area,

1478
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:18,710
Will that deteriorate, what is there now?

1479
01:53:19,250 --> 01:53:25,270
Because I think Harriet Tubman's statue should be somewhere where it is appreciated.

1480
01:53:25,670 --> 01:53:27,650
We're spending millions at the library.

1481
01:53:28,430 --> 01:53:33,310
We're doing everything we can to bring people and children to the library.

1482
01:53:35,340 --> 01:53:40,220
I agree with Mickey Gallivan when she said maybe the Civic Center.

1483
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,340
Because people are visiting the Civic Center.

1484
01:53:43,340 --> 01:53:51,060
It's a well-protected secured place for something like Harriet Tubman, and that is something

1485
01:53:51,060 --> 01:53:51,840
that I question.

1486
01:53:52,060 --> 01:54:00,200
I remember about three years ago that we had a mural in one of our parks, and it was

1487
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:07,320
not done through the process, and the mayor voted to have it removed, and I seconded it.

1488
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:19,480
Where is the definition, whether it is a mural or a statue, we have to follow the process.

1489
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:21,520
That's the way it is.

1490
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:26,000
Why do we bother having processes if we're not going to adhere to them?

1491
01:54:26,540 --> 01:54:31,340
Why do we have commissioners if we're not going to honor their decision?

1492
01:54:31,340 --> 01:54:38,100
And this is what concerns me because this is not just an everything thing.

1493
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,280
Yes, we had a wonderful gathering.

1494
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:45,220
I was there and I saw the joy and the laughter and all of that.

1495
01:54:45,340 --> 01:54:48,400
I got to meet Ms. Brown and it was an honor.

1496
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:54,800
I think her work deserves more recognition, not just a district for park,

1497
01:54:55,060 --> 01:54:58,220
which I wasn't even included in the conversation by the way.

1498
01:54:58,220 --> 01:55:03,960
So I really didn't know the process. I didn't know what was going on until Mr. Adamick called me and told me

1499
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:09,500
But it wasn't even at the Lincoln Park. It was at Ganesha Park, and I said really

1500
01:55:10,820 --> 01:55:17,240
Okay, but all of a sudden it's now at Lincoln Park, but I gave him my my honest opinion

1501
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:24,980
This statue should be somewhere where it's recognized on a daily basis

1502
01:55:24,980 --> 01:55:34,620
is. I go to Lincoln Park every morning. I do my power walk there. It's a quiet park.

1503
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:43,300
It is not a park where people will actually go to because it is a neighborhood park.

1504
01:55:43,660 --> 01:55:49,360
Regardless of Lincoln or whatever, it doesn't matter. This is a park and people are calling

1505
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:54,900
me. We went to see the, we went to see Harriet Tubman statue and it's not there. What happened

1506
01:55:54,900 --> 01:56:02,240
to it. I said, you know what? I do not know. I know it was mobile that day. After that I never saw it

1507
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:05,940
again. I don't know where it's even situated. But the thing is this.

1508
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:12,590
I read this carefully. I have marked

1509
01:56:12,590 --> 01:56:21,450
these pages. And I've come to the conclusion that I agree with staff to uphold this decision.

1510
01:56:29,630 --> 01:56:30,130
That's

1511
01:56:30,130 --> 01:56:59,450
As you can always interject, and I'm going to do that right now, to make a comparison to what happened at Tony Certa Park, where there was no process, did this go to the Proxon Recommission, it did, did this go to the HPC, it did, did it go to the Cultural Arts Commission, it did, so don't ever compare what happened at Tony Certa Park to what happened here, there is a process.

1512
01:56:59,450 --> 01:57:00,750
as you may not agree with the process,

1513
01:57:01,030 --> 01:57:02,910
because the process that we're talking about

1514
01:57:02,910 --> 01:57:06,610
is did they follow the process to get funding?

1515
01:57:07,390 --> 01:57:10,230
When you interject the question of should it go

1516
01:57:10,230 --> 01:57:12,270
in Lincoln Park, that's not what's before us.

1517
01:57:13,050 --> 01:57:15,710
And you said that at the beginning, so stick to it.

1518
01:57:17,190 --> 01:57:20,090
But don't make a comparison to Tony Cedar Park.

1519
01:57:20,830 --> 01:57:25,090
It's completely inaccurate and it's disingenuous to people.

1520
01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:27,850
We have a process here, you're here.

1521
01:57:27,850 --> 01:57:37,010
Sure, we didn't appeal this, the applicant appealed it, which it is his or her right to do in our system.

1522
01:57:37,670 --> 01:57:46,030
But don't go making suggestions that somehow this was somehow that process, there wasn't a process, it just happened.

1523
01:57:46,350 --> 01:57:56,270
That's not the case here, we just didn't put the Harriet Tubman statue in their Lincoln Park permanently, at all, two different things.

1524
01:57:57,670 --> 01:57:58,190
Thank

1525
01:58:00,850 --> 01:58:17,950
you Mayor. There's a lot to unpack here. I think most prominent right now for me is I want to thank planning for all the work they've done over the last four years with the Cultural Arts Committee and the processes that have been put into place.

1526
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:28,690
I don't think our arts fund has ever been this high and I think it's really amazing that we had a call for artists to spend some of that money instead of holding on to it.

1527
01:58:30,510 --> 01:58:38,910
I am also grateful that what happened at Tony Certa Park back in 2018 allowed there

1528
01:58:38,910 --> 01:58:45,290
for me to bring a mural and some utility box artwork to Philadelphia Park.

1529
01:58:46,070 --> 01:58:50,370
Because I think that that's something this council is really good at is if we see there's

1530
01:58:50,370 --> 01:58:56,930
a need, we try to address it, we try to work with staff, we figure it out, it may not always

1531
01:58:56,930 --> 01:59:03,890
be pretty, I mean, not always be easy, but I appreciate that staff is always willing

1532
01:59:03,890 --> 01:59:07,610
to see things from our point of view and to work with us and residents in community.

1533
01:59:09,290 --> 01:59:14,930
I think I'm going to follow Mayor Direction here and just stick to what's before us, and

1534
01:59:14,930 --> 01:59:15,710
that is the funding.

1535
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:21,370
We can have an entire conversation about whether or not this statute belongs at Lincoln Park.

1536
01:59:22,290 --> 01:59:27,330
I know Michelle Field has some interesting views and I may or may not agree with her views,

1537
01:59:27,570 --> 01:59:29,370
but I understand where she's coming from.

1538
01:59:32,750 --> 01:59:39,110
And it really still irks me that in this day and age Lincoln Park is such a protected

1539
01:59:39,110 --> 01:59:40,090
sacred space.

1540
01:59:42,470 --> 01:59:47,730
I remember walking it and a resident who actually knows me in the neighborhood asked me, what

1541
01:59:47,730 --> 01:59:48,390
are you doing here?

1542
01:59:48,610 --> 01:59:49,490
This isn't your district.

1543
01:59:49,490 --> 01:59:57,610
I said I came to use the path walking path at this park, the only ADA compliant walking path at this park in the city at this park.

1544
01:59:57,610 --> 01:59:59,670
So that's.

1545
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,200
I'm just going to stick to it. There's a lot to unpack. I'm just going to say this very clearly. I would, I have spoken to my

1546
02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:22,360
arts commissioner. I have heard her point of view. She was very firm in her point of view. And I understand where staff is coming from, but I cannot dismiss the joy and the

1547
02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:32,960
the excitement and the spirit for which this statue was built, and I would support paying for the installation fee.

1548
02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:45,200
We could figure out everything else, but $45,000 more or less to make sure that we have some level of representation.

1549
02:00:46,980 --> 02:00:52,660
The NAACP from both Pomona Valley and St. Gabriel Valley was there, Channel 7 was there.

1550
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:57,700
And this question of where is this statue now is not the first time I've heard someone

1551
02:00:57,700 --> 02:01:00,560
say that because we just haven't installed it yet.

1552
02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:05,940
And so I would really like to see at least the city pay for the installation.

1553
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:12,060
And we can move forward and waste our, sorry, spend our energy elsewhere.

1554
02:01:12,060 --> 02:01:19,120
everywhere. We could spend our energy elsewhere. Everyone has a right to an appeal. We hear appeals

1555
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:24,600
from historical homes, from business owners, from community groups. Everyone has a right

1556
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:31,820
to be heard, as the mayor said. So I will right now end my comments and just say I recommend

1557
02:01:31,820 --> 02:01:36,880
or I would motion. So I guess I'm doing a substitute motion to council member calls,

1558
02:01:41,140 --> 02:01:41,540
vice

1559
02:01:41,540 --> 02:01:45,080
We fund the installation and we figure out everything else through our commissions.

1560
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:46,160
Thank you, Mayor.

1561
02:01:46,980 --> 02:01:47,500
Thank you.

1562
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:51,240
Forgive me if I, Vice-Miracle, did you make a motion?

1563
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:51,900
No, I didn't.

1564
02:01:51,900 --> 02:01:52,160
Okay.

1565
02:01:52,820 --> 02:01:54,060
I didn't think I heard.

1566
02:01:54,180 --> 02:01:54,880
Not at this time.

1567
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:56,680
I said I was in favor of staff.

1568
02:01:57,140 --> 02:01:57,200
Yeah.

1569
02:01:57,480 --> 02:01:58,180
Thank you.

1570
02:01:58,280 --> 02:01:58,740
Thank you.

1571
02:01:58,900 --> 02:01:59,480
So your motion.

1572
02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:01,500
Thank you for that clarification.

1573
02:02:01,780 --> 02:02:02,340
So your motion is up.

1574
02:02:02,340 --> 02:02:02,460
You're welcome.

1575
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:05,300
Are you finished?

1576
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:05,860
Okay.

1577
02:02:06,580 --> 02:02:08,700
Council member Lestro and then Council member Taurus.

1578
02:02:09,860 --> 02:02:16,900
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. First, I'll second Council Member Garcia's motion, but I just want

1579
02:02:16,900 --> 02:02:17,700
to make a few comments.

1580
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:23,860
I don't think there's any question, at least for the majority

1581
02:02:23,860 --> 02:02:31,720
of the community, that they appreciate the artwork that was done and recognize the importance

1582
02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:45,200
of Harriet Tubman in history and the important part she played in history and as others have said, I don't think that's the issue in and of itself.

1583
02:02:45,940 --> 02:03:00,100
I think the issue and we've heard this tonight has been process and we can't go backwards and we can't change what we did at this point so I'm not going to focus on that.

1584
02:03:00,100 --> 02:03:18,800
But I hope that it's been a learning experience, I think for all of us, not only for staff, but for the community, that if we go down this road again, and whether it's a call for art or a call for something else, that this has been

1585
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:24,080
and kind of a lesson for us or a learning experience

1586
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:28,060
with respect to how we go through the process

1587
02:03:28,060 --> 02:03:32,200
or maybe how the call is put out.

1588
02:03:32,340 --> 02:03:35,320
Maybe we need to put maybe additional details

1589
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:36,840
in the call, that sort of thing.

1590
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:39,680
I think we can learn from this.

1591
02:03:39,940 --> 02:03:42,820
It's no, it doesn't serve any purpose,

1592
02:03:42,820 --> 02:03:46,920
I think, to go back and beat up individuals

1593
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:48,400
or groups or anything like that.

1594
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:50,500
that we're not accomplishing anything by doing that.

1595
02:03:51,740 --> 02:03:59,960
So all of that said, I recognize that we've gone through this process, and I know that

1596
02:03:59,960 --> 02:04:08,400
not everybody supports the placement, the location of this particular piece of art, but that's

1597
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:09,680
not what's before us tonight.

1598
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:21,260
And I was at the beginning of this conversation, I was thinking to myself that the statute obviously needs to go somewhere in this community.

1599
02:04:21,260 --> 02:04:37,100
I think it's appropriate in this community and such I think that I would get agree with councilmember Garcia and be supportive of the original staff recommendation of funding no more than 42,500 for the installation.

1600
02:04:37,540 --> 02:04:37,920
Thank you.

1601
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:38,900
Thank

1602
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:45,340
you, Councilor Resto, Councilor Tours, and then Councilor Rdolti.

1603
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:56,970
Just wanted to say thank you to the speakers and the staff for putting together the report and

1604
02:04:56,970 --> 02:04:59,630
so the community for coming out and voicing their concerns.

1605
02:05:00,550 --> 02:05:03,290
Very interesting issue here at hand.

1606
02:05:05,150 --> 02:05:12,870
You know, when I first heard about the Harriet Tudman statue, it was on Channel 7 or the news.

1607
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:15,090
because that was how I personally found out about it.

1608
02:05:15,210 --> 02:05:17,670
And then councilwoman Cole called me up and told me.

1609
02:05:18,650 --> 02:05:20,690
So that's how I learned about it.

1610
02:05:21,090 --> 02:05:23,130
But I'm nevertheless, I think it was, you know,

1611
02:05:23,410 --> 02:05:24,910
a great thing for the community.

1612
02:05:24,990 --> 02:05:26,990
I think area tummins and amazing women,

1613
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:31,590
glad that the mayor and his folks came up with the idea.

1614
02:05:31,590 --> 02:05:34,110
But it's very important that we follow process.

1615
02:05:34,450 --> 02:05:37,510
And I'm not saying that this is just like Tony Certa,

1616
02:05:37,730 --> 02:05:38,370
not saying that.

1617
02:05:38,750 --> 02:05:41,330
But what I am saying is that certain things weren't followed

1618
02:05:41,330 --> 02:05:43,350
in terms of the process with the funding, right?

1619
02:05:43,870 --> 02:05:47,490
And that needs to be fixed moving forward into the future.

1620
02:05:47,870 --> 02:05:51,710
Because, or else what happens is if we're not covering our ass,

1621
02:05:52,230 --> 02:05:53,270
and I'm going to say it's just like that,

1622
02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:56,270
and following the process, what ends up happening is,

1623
02:05:56,750 --> 02:06:02,630
something as great as renaming or building a statue of Harriet Tubman,

1624
02:06:03,190 --> 02:06:09,190
could turn into something so controversial or divisive, right?

1625
02:06:09,190 --> 02:06:14,450
right? And that's really sad, right? Because I don't think that's what the purpose of

1626
02:06:14,450 --> 02:06:20,110
this idea was. So now regardless of whether they get their funding or not, we have folks

1627
02:06:20,110 --> 02:06:25,730
in the community who are divided and been out of shape. So it's just to avoid this issue

1628
02:06:25,730 --> 02:06:32,390
in the future, it is absolutely necessary. We do follow process and we do have, you know,

1629
02:06:32,690 --> 02:06:36,530
especially when it comes to public funding, right? We want to make sure we have a fair,

1630
02:06:36,530 --> 02:07:03,970
thorough thought out clear process, right? Because we don't want folks calling us back in the future and you know for the council, you know, it's just it's important for us, you know, and for me as a council member, you know, we choose certain roads, you know, we take certain paths, but you know, if the road we choose leads us to a point like this, I mean, what good was the road, right?

1631
02:07:03,970 --> 02:07:16,610
You know, I mean, I think that came out of a movie, there will be blood, but it applies to this, this exact moment right here, so, but nevertheless, looking forward to the vote.

1632
02:07:16,950 --> 02:07:17,550
So, thanks.

1633
02:07:18,590 --> 02:07:21,370
Thank you, Councillor Tours. Councillor Renulti.

1634
02:07:24,190 --> 02:07:31,910
Just a question for staff. I'm trying to look here at what, because the applicant saying that they,

1635
02:07:31,910 --> 02:07:42,020
a, you know, there's no prohibition against engaging in art creation during or prior to the evaluation funding process within any of the city's documentation defining this program.

1636
02:07:42,240 --> 02:07:55,580
So that, it seems that there are appeal, at least what they're basing it on is saying that, yeah, we did this art first and then we applied to have it funded, but there's nothing that says we couldn't do that.

1637
02:07:55,580 --> 02:08:11,480
My question is, so the policy and guidelines manual art in public places is that was that part of the what was given to applicants like did they have that manual?

1638
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:18,460
Yeah, so the IPP manual was linked on the type form. It's a web based application that we put out in March.

1639
02:08:18,460 --> 02:08:21,540
They were encouraged to read it if they wanted to take the deep dive.

1640
02:08:21,540 --> 02:08:27,780
It was also on Pomonaca.gov slash public art or call for visual art, I believe.

1641
02:08:28,700 --> 02:08:33,840
And to answer your first question, there's nothing in the manual or in the documentation

1642
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:36,680
that prohibited that it was completed.

1643
02:08:37,420 --> 02:08:44,060
The challenge is when staff is evaluating 137 applications, similar to the philanthropic

1644
02:08:44,060 --> 02:08:50,980
world, grant making world. If there's an applicant occasion that's already been funded, does it hold

1645
02:08:50,980 --> 02:08:55,620
equal competitive weight and eligibility for funding as something that has not been funded?

1646
02:08:56,300 --> 02:09:02,840
That's where staff's assessment is part of the application. So that unfunded portion of 4,200 is

1647
02:09:02,840 --> 02:09:07,360
where we landed because that was the necessary ingredient to execute the entirety of the project.

1648
02:09:07,940 --> 02:09:13,500
The question staff had for the applicant was, if you did not receive public art funding, would you

1649
02:09:13,500 --> 02:09:15,840
to execute this project even though it's funded.

1650
02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:18,940
And they said they would not engage in having done it

1651
02:09:18,940 --> 02:09:21,060
if they knew that Public Art Funds from the City of Pomona

1652
02:09:21,060 --> 02:09:21,840
would not be involved.

1653
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:24,740
So that was the assessment.

1654
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:32,360
The part about in the,

1655
02:09:34,990 --> 02:09:36,150
I'm just looking at these guidelines.

1656
02:09:36,410 --> 02:09:41,590
So the procedure for, there's a part that says

1657
02:09:41,590 --> 02:09:43,710
the advisory committee works with city staff to select

1658
02:09:43,710 --> 02:09:46,570
an artist or artist team to design the public artwork.

1659
02:09:47,070 --> 02:09:48,450
Is that applicable to this one?

1660
02:09:48,450 --> 02:09:56,970
Yeah, so the manual and I forget the exact section number but there's a process for selecting an artist and you can do it either.

1661
02:09:57,750 --> 02:10:04,510
What we've identified in the manual is a call for visual or call for artist process and that's what we engage in.

1662
02:10:04,590 --> 02:10:09,430
This was the first time we did it using the new manual and that lays out all the eligible criteria.

1663
02:10:09,890 --> 02:10:13,270
It gets reviewed by a committee and then ultimately gets reviewed by the commission.

1664
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:26,350
What the challenge was and we let the applicant know this in the course of the review is that in the process we did not anticipate as a need to mention this was all for commissioned or it was all for concepts, it was all for ideas.

1665
02:10:26,830 --> 02:10:35,190
I think one of the first lines is submit your idea for our we do not contemplate admittedly something already being done and then us retroactively funding it.

1666
02:10:36,090 --> 02:10:59,250
Traditionally, that would fall into the realm of acquisitions and purchase where a city can purchase completed work happens all the time, but that wasn't what the call for visual art in this case was really structured as so you have a situation in which a fully funded piece of art is now coming through a process that was really intended for conceptual ideas to commission and therein lies the conflict.

1667
02:10:59,250 --> 02:11:00,110
I

1668
02:11:02,220 --> 02:11:05,680
mean, could it even meet the qualifications of that call being?

1669
02:11:06,580 --> 02:11:08,460
I mean, obviously you decided it was acceptable.

1670
02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:20,140
So is that because you like considered it as the whole thing as a concept with the art work is to put something in there that's already created, and that's part of the artwork itself is something.

1671
02:11:20,740 --> 02:11:23,840
Yeah, we wanted to be fair to the applicant and the application.

1672
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:34,740
I think it's really important to note that with this call for visual art the barrier to entry was incredibly low because we recognize that it's very hard to put together a grant application or an application.

1673
02:11:35,320 --> 02:11:43,520
So we didn't want to unnecessarily reject applicants. We rejected very few like if they just didn't submit half of the form or something like that.

1674
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:47,880
In this case, we recognize that there was a problem and a challenge we had to overcome

1675
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:51,980
with some of it being funded and that would have to be reconciled through the evaluation

1676
02:11:51,980 --> 02:11:52,560
process.

1677
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:55,380
But there was still the intent of doing public art.

1678
02:11:55,540 --> 02:11:59,460
We went through the process of seeing if the parks commission would be amenable to having

1679
02:11:59,460 --> 02:12:04,780
it in their park, in the city's park, and whether it had any historical significance.

1680
02:12:04,940 --> 02:12:08,480
We took it through that realm because we felt like it was important for the applicant.

1681
02:12:08,480 --> 02:12:13,220
But recognizing that ultimately staff felt that while there was a lot of merit to the application,

1682
02:12:13,620 --> 02:12:17,440
we couldn't find a good reason to recommend funding the artist or to be being paid.

1683
02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:23,480
So if I, if in this process, let's say I had a really nice statue,

1684
02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:28,900
and I had submitted an application that says, I think this statue would be great,

1685
02:12:29,640 --> 02:12:33,700
you know, like on a pedestal in a park somewhere.

1686
02:12:34,040 --> 02:12:36,540
Would you have considered that as a proposal?

1687
02:12:36,540 --> 02:12:38,780
So like nobody has to pay the art, it's at all.

1688
02:12:38,840 --> 02:12:40,560
I'm just seeking funding for installation

1689
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:43,740
of this beautiful piece of art in a park.

1690
02:12:44,120 --> 02:12:45,520
Because that's a great hypothetical.

1691
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:47,740
So in that hypothetical, if you weren't seeking public art

1692
02:12:47,740 --> 02:12:49,480
funding, the first thing we would say

1693
02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:51,200
is that it would probably not the right vehicle

1694
02:12:51,200 --> 02:12:52,740
because this was just a fund applications

1695
02:12:52,740 --> 02:12:53,980
from the public art fund.

1696
02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:56,300
But what we would likely have done is then

1697
02:12:56,300 --> 02:12:58,060
had you come forward to the Cultural Arts Commission

1698
02:12:58,060 --> 02:13:01,240
to consider whether the art you're proposing,

1699
02:13:01,240 --> 02:13:04,440
or you've done, is something that the city would like to see

1700
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:05,720
in one of its public locations.

1701
02:13:06,500 --> 02:13:09,000
In this case, it's on a similar vein

1702
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:11,760
because the applicant, Spectra Company,

1703
02:13:12,420 --> 02:13:15,180
is seeking to do the R and a no point

1704
02:13:15,180 --> 02:13:18,640
is staff recommending denying a Harriet Tubman statute

1705
02:13:19,220 --> 02:13:20,300
that I just want to make that clear,

1706
02:13:20,780 --> 02:13:23,020
that it's really about teasing out the funding

1707
02:13:23,020 --> 02:13:24,280
and who's funding which portion.

1708
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:27,060
So in a sense, you could consider the staff recommendation

1709
02:13:27,060 --> 02:13:30,440
as a match to what he's already investing in, right?

1710
02:13:30,900 --> 02:13:33,000
That there's 98,500 paid for

1711
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:36,840
to Manolita Brown, and that there was this unfunded portion

1712
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:40,200
that if wasn't funded, may put the project in jeopardy

1713
02:13:40,200 --> 02:13:41,060
from being executed.

1714
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:43,660
So in your example, if you weren't seeking the money,

1715
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:45,720
we would recommend not going through the call

1716
02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:48,280
for visual art because you're not after public art dollars.

1717
02:13:48,820 --> 02:13:50,320
We would just take you to commission

1718
02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:52,320
through a conceptual design plan

1719
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:54,000
and then have the committee weigh in

1720
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:54,960
on the merits of your project.

1721
02:13:57,800 --> 02:14:01,920
But what if I was seeking funding for the installation of it?

1722
02:14:01,940 --> 02:14:04,460
Yeah, so that's kind of this situation, right?

1723
02:14:04,460 --> 02:14:11,940
So it's not one again admittedly that we as staff really anticipated happening where we would get ideas of completed work

1724
02:14:11,940 --> 02:14:18,480
That was just not in my card so to speak and so when we got that this was our resolution to that situation

1725
02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:20,620
And it doesn't violate any of the

1726
02:14:22,260 --> 02:14:29,660
RFP aspects of the thing it does not we did advise the applicant and it was not to my knowledge or Anita or staff

1727
02:14:29,660 --> 02:14:33,100
the last knowledge at the time that they were going to submit, that our work had been completed.

1728
02:14:33,340 --> 02:14:35,600
That was a surprise to us when we saw the allocation.

1729
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:44,480
It was my understanding that this was going to be commissioned work, but we analyzed it to what we got.

1730
02:14:48,390 --> 02:14:51,450
Okay, sorry. Give me one second here. I'm just how

1731
02:14:57,920 --> 02:14:58,420
how

1732
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,840
If you, how certain are you that if you give the money to the artist, the 42,000, that it's going to be spent on. The installation, I mean, is that? Yeah, so that was part of what I had put in that recommendation of the alternative is that if we did that man, Walita. She would enter into an agreement with the city of Pomona, just like any of the other artists that would be funded. And we've done this for a few times with other projects like the Pomona Public Library and Mirals, probably good example, that artists would be responsible for the execution.

1733
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:34,580
of the work. So let's say hypothetically there was a $50,000

1734
02:15:34,580 --> 02:15:39,060
dollar amount as a grant that the city's giving or as an award. We typically

1735
02:15:39,060 --> 02:15:44,480
break that up into two and upon an execution of agreement you get 50% of the award

1736
02:15:44,480 --> 02:15:47,880
and then you provide a progress report. You show that you're actually diligently

1737
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:51,680
working. You show invoices and receipts of you actually spending the money and then

1738
02:15:51,680 --> 02:15:59,820
at that point staff would determine the second issuance based on the terms of the

1739
02:15:59,820 --> 02:16:07,680
If Manolita Brown was funded, she's contractually obliged to execute and deliver.

1740
02:16:09,240 --> 02:16:16,520
And if it doesn't end up costing that much to do it, would she be required to reimburse the balance?

1741
02:16:17,700 --> 02:16:33,920
If our agreements have budget modifications, so if say 4,200 to 500 is something being considered, and she comes back and says it's really the installation is 36 to, it's something that we would amend that budget to reflect the not exceed amount.

1742
02:16:34,660 --> 02:16:37,220
And so that it's accurately captured in the agreement.

1743
02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:48,660
the issue about the right. Yeah, we wouldn't get that's why we don't give the full amount. Thanks. Yeah, that's why we don't we wouldn't give the 42 five out the gate.

1744
02:16:50,180 --> 02:16:54,880
The the issue that's raised about the nonprofit and who's the.

1745
02:16:56,340 --> 02:17:01,640
The applicant can you explain what that was about and whether you're concerned about that or.

1746
02:17:01,640 --> 02:17:13,200
Yeah, so the title of the application was the village P town productions and the rest of the application didn't refer to that being a nonprofit entity.

1747
02:17:13,880 --> 02:17:22,600
I was not aware it was a nonprofit entity and neither was staff. So what we were really looking at in the evaluation was Manolita Brown working with Spectra Company.

1748
02:17:23,100 --> 02:17:27,100
At that August 8th meeting Ray had mentioned that P town productions is a nonprofit.

1749
02:17:28,640 --> 02:17:31,300
and that came up to the commission's review as well.

1750
02:17:32,400 --> 02:17:35,460
It's not something that nonprofits are eligible to apply.

1751
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:37,900
But as indicated in the staff report,

1752
02:17:38,480 --> 02:17:41,960
the conflation of multiple groups working together

1753
02:17:41,960 --> 02:17:44,400
didn't make that application readily clear.

1754
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:46,660
And again, staff's not reviewing for content.

1755
02:17:46,740 --> 02:17:49,360
We're objectively scoring how well of an application you put together.

1756
02:17:49,640 --> 02:17:51,220
So it lost a couple of points on clarity.

1757
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:52,960
And that was for multiple categories.

1758
02:17:53,580 --> 02:17:56,400
But generally speaking, if you're an nonprofit, no, you can apply.

1759
02:17:56,400 --> 02:17:58,940
Yeah, it just wasn't clear when they applied.

1760
02:18:00,720 --> 02:18:10,980
Were there the other recommendations that the staff made to that August 8th meeting, were they all passed and this is the only one that didn't get passed?

1761
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:25,860
No, there were others that have been denied, we're actually, since the August 8th meeting, which was a little bit of a marathon, we've done two more marathon meetings, it takes quite a long time to get through

1762
02:18:25,860 --> 02:18:30,560
137 applications, we still have a fourth meeting plan for next week, so we actually haven't

1763
02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:34,860
gone through all of the applications yet. So we've put in about 15 hours of meeting time

1764
02:18:34,860 --> 02:18:39,920
so far reviewing all of the applications. Some of those over the course of the last three

1765
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:45,200
meeting have been denied. Multiple artists have been denied. They have been denied for

1766
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:54,140
either the concept or not having enough experience or things of that nature. Typically, what

1767
02:18:54,140 --> 02:18:59,400
What we do, and I think this is just important to know, is, again, we're trying to create a low barrier.

1768
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:05,360
So a lot of these applications, over the last three meetings, we've referred to what we call as technical assistance.

1769
02:19:05,360 --> 02:19:10,440
It's just a term I'm borrowing from my old grant making world where you don't want to outright deny folks.

1770
02:19:10,440 --> 02:19:15,060
Because again, they're local Pomona artists trying to seek public dollars we want to work with them.

1771
02:19:15,480 --> 02:19:19,840
Technical assistance is a term we use where our staff, and we just did this this morning.

1772
02:19:20,320 --> 02:19:23,020
We're sitting down with those applicants and saying, hey, you weren't quite there.

1773
02:19:23,020 --> 02:19:25,280
This is what you need to do to improve your application.

1774
02:19:25,460 --> 02:19:26,900
We're not asking you to resummit.

1775
02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:29,460
We're asking you to clean up and we'll bring you back to commission.

1776
02:19:30,040 --> 02:19:32,600
So we're doing that with several applications right now.

1777
02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:34,580
It was the first time they applied.

1778
02:19:34,780 --> 02:19:37,620
They didn't really know how it worked and we didn't want to penalize them for that.

1779
02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:50,420
Did the applicant or the appellant says that multiple committee members mentioned that if this installation was judged on its artistic and cultural merits,

1780
02:19:50,420 --> 02:19:55,920
it would sail through the approval process. Do you agree with that characterization of that discussion?

1781
02:19:56,520 --> 02:20:00,920
I don't know. I think that's premature for me to say. I think generally speaking, again,

1782
02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:06,380
I just land on the question of funding. I think that ultimately, if Spectra and Manor Leader were

1783
02:20:06,380 --> 02:20:11,380
proposing an application and none of it was funded, this would be a completely different conversation.

1784
02:20:18,540 --> 02:20:21,160
Sorry, I've lost you there. Can you say that one more time?

1785
02:20:21,160 --> 02:20:43,820
So just to reiterate, so if it's hard for me to weigh in on whether it would just be allowed on some merits, ultimately because I'm not part of the committee and I'm not part of the commission from a staff standpoint, the application was considered acceptable, they they were in the middle of the pack, they wrote a pretty decent application, but they're not competitive because 80% of their proposal already has money.

1786
02:20:43,820 --> 02:21:05,120
So, if they weren't funded, it really changes the tenor of your review because these are public art fund dollars are seeking and if an application already has funding, it's staff wants to relay that to the commission and let them know, is this something that you want to fund and reimburse or is it something you want to commission.

1787
02:21:06,020 --> 02:21:09,920
And again, this is the only issue we've had with this application.

1788
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:15,000
We hadn't had that come up in any other instance where an artist has already been paid for their work.

1789
02:21:15,300 --> 02:21:19,260
But then the staff's recommendation to the commission was to fund the installation.

1790
02:21:19,480 --> 02:21:20,940
The unfunded portions, yeah.

1791
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:22,300
Okay. Yeah.

1792
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:28,900
And the commission can make any decision they want or do they like if something meets criteria they have to fund it.

1793
02:21:28,980 --> 02:21:31,900
Or can they decide not to fund something just for whatever reason?

1794
02:21:32,520 --> 02:21:35,200
So that's where the evaluation criteria came into play.

1795
02:21:35,540 --> 02:21:39,380
They approved what they're going to look at and what the scoring criteria are.

1796
02:21:39,380 --> 02:21:44,300
It was based on budget, it was based on engagement, and by engagement, I don't mean engagement

1797
02:21:44,300 --> 02:21:47,660
during the evaluation process, but again, how they're going to engage in the future.

1798
02:21:48,980 --> 02:21:50,740
Their experience, their portfolio.

1799
02:21:51,640 --> 02:21:56,440
When they make their final decision, do they have to say you were denied because of this

1800
02:21:56,440 --> 02:21:58,420
reason, or do they just say you were denied?

1801
02:21:58,680 --> 02:21:59,380
In other words, does this...

1802
02:21:59,380 --> 02:22:00,380
They could just say they were denied.

1803
02:22:00,500 --> 02:22:01,200
There's no findings.

1804
02:22:01,880 --> 02:22:02,380
There's no findings.

1805
02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:02,840
Yeah.

1806
02:22:06,600 --> 02:22:06,980
Okay.

1807
02:22:06,980 --> 02:22:14,100
last question is if we were to not approve the or to basically agree with the

1808
02:22:14,730 --> 02:22:18,780
cultural arts commission is there another route by which the spectra could seek

1809
02:22:19,460 --> 02:22:26,620
funding from the city to fund the installation or um that I wouldn't know I think as public

1810
02:22:26,620 --> 02:22:33,680
art funding this um is one realm um what I can say is that if they didn't get funding and the

1811
02:22:33,680 --> 02:22:37,240
The project is funded and they found funding for the rest through other source.

1812
02:22:37,940 --> 02:22:43,320
They could come back to the city and go before the Cultural Arts Commission to get the art approved.

1813
02:22:43,720 --> 02:22:45,040
The location has already been approved.

1814
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:49,700
It's already been deemed historically okay through the minor COA.

1815
02:22:50,400 --> 02:22:52,400
And so they could still get it installed.

1816
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:58,500
This isn't really about whether it should be installed or not, but about the funding.

1817
02:22:58,500 --> 02:22:59,120
All

1818
02:23:02,220 --> 02:23:02,600
right,

1819
02:23:04,830 --> 02:23:14,780
so the appellant is saying that it was a mis-evaluation, and I guess that's

1820
02:23:14,780 --> 02:23:20,260
what I'm trying to understand, in a sense, it's hard to say, because I wasn't there, and

1821
02:23:20,260 --> 02:23:20,960
there's no findings.

1822
02:23:21,360 --> 02:23:27,540
So in other words, we have what they said, and then we have what was said by some of the

1823
02:23:27,540 --> 02:23:29,940
people here, but there were lots of other people at other meetings.

1824
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:34,180
So essentially, it boils down to the council saying, do we want this or not want this

1825
02:23:34,180 --> 02:23:36,500
do we want to contribute some of this or not?

1826
02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:38,960
And if I may just add, Council Member,

1827
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:41,220
I know why you're struggling because we as lawyers

1828
02:23:41,220 --> 02:23:42,340
like to look at the findings.

1829
02:23:42,340 --> 02:23:44,340
We want to know what the standard of review is,

1830
02:23:44,480 --> 02:23:46,620
and then we can judge an appeal.

1831
02:23:47,320 --> 02:23:49,260
And I mean, this is like the most fortunate thing

1832
02:23:49,260 --> 02:23:49,920
for the City Council.

1833
02:23:50,140 --> 02:23:51,680
It's very rare that the City Attorney says

1834
02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:54,060
that the City Council, you get to use your independent

1835
02:23:54,060 --> 02:23:57,160
judgment, you get to impose your policy in this decision

1836
02:23:57,660 --> 02:23:58,840
because there aren't findings.

1837
02:23:58,860 --> 02:24:00,700
We are not talking about a conditional use permit

1838
02:24:00,700 --> 02:24:02,020
where you have to make the findings.

1839
02:24:02,020 --> 02:24:08,180
So really I know that's what you're struggling with but you really don't have to struggle with that you get to make an independent choice

1840
02:24:08,180 --> 02:24:13,020
Yeah, it's just yeah, which is like the freest choice is the hardest one to make so I

1841
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:15,160
think that my

1842
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:21,260
You know just to tell my colleagues where I'm at I mean I think in the end here's what I'm gonna

1843
02:24:21,260 --> 02:24:27,780
I think I will support the the installation funding. I understand this is controversial and I see both sides

1844
02:24:27,780 --> 02:24:32,000
I also just frankly see that two commissions passed it

1845
02:24:32,020 --> 02:24:37,160
And one commission didn't, and that's what it's coming down to for me.

1846
02:24:37,320 --> 02:24:41,560
I think that there was more support at that level than not, so.

1847
02:24:41,620 --> 02:24:43,920
And I did want to just clarify one thing for the record.

1848
02:24:44,180 --> 02:24:46,780
It did not go before the Historic Preservation Commission.

1849
02:24:47,260 --> 02:24:52,500
So that minor certificate of appropriateness is an administrative level review.

1850
02:24:53,260 --> 02:24:56,820
There was then posted on the website, it's subject to appeal, it was not appealed.

1851
02:24:57,280 --> 02:25:01,420
So it didn't actually go before that commission for discussionary action, but it did go before the parks.

1852
02:25:04,280 --> 02:25:06,640
I just wanted to clear the

1853
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:07,380
record, because I think I heard

1854
02:25:07,380 --> 02:25:07,740
that a couple.

1855
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:08,600
What was the vote in the

1856
02:25:08,600 --> 02:25:09,160
fire exhibition?

1857
02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:13,380
I would have to double check.

1858
02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:14,660
I thought it was unanimous, but

1859
02:25:14,660 --> 02:25:15,180
I'll have to.

1860
02:25:17,140 --> 02:25:18,300
I thought it was.

1861
02:25:20,340 --> 02:25:21,220
Yeah, I wouldn't be able to

1862
02:25:21,220 --> 02:25:22,560
speak to that on the dius, but

1863
02:25:23,700 --> 02:25:24,020
okay.

1864
02:25:24,480 --> 02:25:25,000
Thank you.

1865
02:25:27,940 --> 02:25:28,260
Okay.

1866
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:29,360
Councilman Priscilla.

1867
02:25:32,490 --> 02:25:33,490
You know, I'd like to also point

1868
02:25:33,490 --> 02:25:35,490
and what Council member Garcia said,

1869
02:25:35,590 --> 02:25:38,650
congratulations on going through almost one more meeting,

1870
02:25:38,850 --> 02:25:40,370
going through 137 projects.

1871
02:25:41,970 --> 02:25:44,910
Just about, we really short, can you really,

1872
02:25:45,190 --> 02:25:48,090
when will we see that, like coming to fruition,

1873
02:25:48,330 --> 02:25:50,590
like when will we get started, if they're all approved?

1874
02:25:50,990 --> 02:25:54,930
Yeah, so the expectation is that we would be finishing

1875
02:25:54,930 --> 02:25:56,250
our last meeting next week.

1876
02:25:57,170 --> 02:26:00,890
So there's temporary, permanent, and then programmatic.

1877
02:26:02,390 --> 02:26:13,490
The programmatic is going to be on a little bit of a longer timeline because there's different risks involved there when you execute a program for working with the youth, there's background checks involved, things of that nature.

1878
02:26:13,910 --> 02:26:20,510
So that's about three to six months out. The projects we can get going on contracts as early as the end of October.

1879
02:26:21,210 --> 02:26:26,210
And you may begin seeing some of that artwork done before the end of the year in one of our 26 parks.

1880
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:36,060
Awesome. While you were reviewing the permits or the applications where you guys

1881
02:26:36,060 --> 02:26:39,720
able to adjust some of the applications with the applicants while they're

1882
02:26:39,720 --> 02:26:44,960
reviewing them. So we wanted to be fair to the review process because it ultimately

1883
02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:52,240
is competitive, right? But what we did is we held a couple of workshops and if

1884
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:55,820
it's technical details, somebody couldn't get a budget downloaded or they weren't

1885
02:26:55,820 --> 02:27:12,740
sure how to fill it out. We had grace periods. We walked them through that. I really want to credit Alan fortune or assistant planner. I think he spent a ton of hours on the phone just navigating folks through that process, which I think really led to an increase in applications. So yeah, we did, we did help them with that.

1886
02:27:13,140 --> 02:27:17,820
Again, it was our policy to not be heavy handed on rejecting folks.

1887
02:27:17,820 --> 02:27:34,360
No, I think that's great. I mean, I like what our attorney said on just right now. Also, I'll even, I'll even speak to how many times while we're doing these processes or documents we call them many time living documents, living processes.

1888
02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:39,200
I'm sure that I can't wait to see another call for artists happen.

1889
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:43,260
and I'm sure the application would be exactly like this one

1890
02:27:43,260 --> 02:27:46,400
because it would now change from some of the stuff

1891
02:27:46,400 --> 02:27:47,080
we've learned now.

1892
02:27:47,720 --> 02:27:49,620
Yeah, the manual is definitely a living document.

1893
02:27:50,460 --> 02:27:52,800
And I could say it's very much alive tonight.

1894
02:27:55,580 --> 02:28:00,080
A-I-P-P-P, is there anything in there that says

1895
02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:04,760
that somebody would get denied

1896
02:28:04,760 --> 02:28:07,800
for some of the work being completed early?

1897
02:28:12,040 --> 02:28:23,540
So, you know, I actually like earlier that the 23rd thing did come up because it was one thing that was very important in that time was that there was a need for art.

1898
02:28:24,180 --> 02:28:26,440
And we see it in these 137 applications.

1899
02:28:27,560 --> 02:28:33,080
And every time I hear about a fight for process, it's many, many times.

1900
02:28:33,080 --> 02:28:37,880
I mean, when we're building housing, it's always like the environmental process or the state

1901
02:28:37,880 --> 02:28:45,280
process or the federal process and it's always seems to be like processes only used to obstruct

1902
02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:54,040
like things that want to get done or things that we feel like, you know what, like we get it,

1903
02:28:54,220 --> 02:28:59,900
that process is not entirely there yet or but although when I hear this, it went through every step

1904
02:28:59,900 --> 02:29:02,840
that it needed to make maybe just some people just didn't like it.

1905
02:29:04,660 --> 02:29:06,460
I mean, that's why we have retro permits.

1906
02:29:07,160 --> 02:29:08,500
That's why we have an appeal process.

1907
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:14,720
There are a lot of processes to be able to adjust and help with these living documents.

1908
02:29:15,580 --> 02:29:19,280
I can't wait to see all 137 applications.

1909
02:29:20,600 --> 02:29:25,700
And I can't wait to read the next AIPP and or the next call of artists,

1910
02:29:25,700 --> 02:29:32,800
because I think that is just an amazing, amazing accomplishment that started from that

1911
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:40,360
Tony Sir Park thing because the council here said art is important to us and let's

1912
02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:48,680
dedicate time to it and let's dedicate funds to it and I will agree with Council Member

1913
02:29:48,680 --> 02:29:52,240
Garcia's recommendation as well and now that we're going to take that so about going at a

1914
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:52,460
chance.

1915
02:29:52,780 --> 02:29:53,000
Thank you.

1916
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:59,870
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Priscilla. Just took.

1917
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:09,540
A couple more things. Just want to reiterate our thanks to you for undertaking this process, which I know has not been easy.

1918
02:30:11,620 --> 02:30:28,980
I'm sure that in your own mind, you can imagine that all the work that you've done would necessarily have to go one by one, by one, by one on every single. That's how you're doing it, right? You've made recommendations, but you're literally going through every single

1919
02:30:30,220 --> 02:30:30,980
applicant, correct?

1920
02:30:33,240 --> 02:30:38,780
Thank you. That is an easy and appreciate the work that's been done.

1921
02:30:39,560 --> 02:30:45,560
I do want to say that this one little piece of this story because you'll hear different parts of this story.

1922
02:30:47,640 --> 02:30:54,760
Oftentimes really sort of along the lines of whether you think it should be in Lincoln Park or not in Lincoln Park.

1923
02:30:56,960 --> 02:31:05,780
And when the conversation in my process, that ultimately has us here today, is one of the

1924
02:31:05,780 --> 02:31:12,480
questions that was important for me was to speak to a number of different African-American

1925
02:31:12,480 --> 02:31:14,960
communities about this particular project.

1926
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:18,220
And I'm not going to say here and say that I spoke to everyone in the community.

1927
02:31:19,260 --> 02:31:26,820
But one person that I did speak to was Khalif Rashad, who heads up the African American Museum of New Beginnings.

1928
02:31:27,780 --> 02:31:31,940
And I said, you know, we're thinking about doing something like this. What do you think?

1929
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:34,960
He was extremely supportive.

1930
02:31:35,960 --> 02:31:39,800
But one thing he said is that it has to be an African American sculptor.

1931
02:31:40,520 --> 02:31:44,700
There's not a project that you want to undertake and have somebody else do it.

1932
02:31:45,320 --> 02:31:46,980
And I said, well, do you know someone?

1933
02:31:47,460 --> 02:31:48,640
And he said, I do.

1934
02:31:49,020 --> 02:31:50,540
I know a woman named Manuelita Brown.

1935
02:31:51,460 --> 02:31:52,960
And I said, well, tell me more.

1936
02:31:53,600 --> 02:32:00,040
And it turns out that Manuelita Brown did a Surjourner Truth statue at UC San Diego.

1937
02:32:01,100 --> 02:32:04,840
She is well known as I understand all of the world.

1938
02:32:05,880 --> 02:32:12,400
And I know, staff, if I'm not mistaken, we've received a number of calls asking about this statue.

1939
02:32:12,400 --> 02:32:19,880
Where is it? I want to come see it. I've received emails and calls and text. Hey, where is it? I'm glad that

1940
02:32:20,600 --> 02:32:22,060
wherever you stand

1941
02:32:22,640 --> 02:32:26,380
For against where should it go whether we should fund or not?

1942
02:32:26,780 --> 02:32:33,540
That the public I hope because if in making this decision it doesn't mean that the applicant

1943
02:32:34,540 --> 02:32:37,420
Because they own the statue

1944
02:32:38,100 --> 02:32:41,880
Has to donate it to the city

1945
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:50,640
So we need to make sure that we understand that the decision that we make he may say and you know what thank you

1946
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:55,860
I've spent this amount of money. I'm going to put it somewhere else and then I'll have to go through a process

1947
02:32:57,200 --> 02:33:01,960
But I think at a minimum that we should help support the

1948
02:33:03,360 --> 02:33:04,560
installation of this

1949
02:33:06,680 --> 02:33:14,420
Statue of Harriet Tubman and I will also add that one of the things that I would like to do is to work with the school district

1950
02:33:15,340 --> 02:33:19,040
is to have kids come to the park, have lunch,

1951
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:22,540
and have, because one of the things that I hear

1952
02:33:22,540 --> 02:33:23,460
sometimes people say, you know,

1953
02:33:23,600 --> 02:33:25,820
Lincoln Park is not very welcoming, right?

1954
02:33:25,960 --> 02:33:27,360
Or they have this perception

1955
02:33:27,360 --> 02:33:28,580
that it's just for certain people.

1956
02:33:29,200 --> 02:33:30,560
And I go to the park all the time

1957
02:33:30,560 --> 02:33:31,800
and I see people from all over the,

1958
02:33:33,300 --> 02:33:34,600
because I talk to them.

1959
02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:35,480
I said, where do you live?

1960
02:33:35,800 --> 02:33:37,600
It's all I live over in sophomore and I live over here.

1961
02:33:38,220 --> 02:33:40,740
I believe that some of the things

1962
02:33:40,740 --> 02:33:43,500
that folks have brought up about this particular park

1963
02:33:43,500 --> 02:33:49,560
have roots in history, but I have to tell you communities evolve, they change, they transform,

1964
02:33:50,140 --> 02:33:54,100
and they try to become better, I hope, over a period of time.

1965
02:33:55,180 --> 02:34:00,440
And I have been witness to that, and I think what this statue will allow us to do is to have a

1966
02:34:00,440 --> 02:34:06,160
conversation about some of the most challenging issues that we face as a country that we see

1967
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:09,640
is somewhat divided as reflected in our politics.

1968
02:34:10,360 --> 02:34:17,100
And so, I say to say that I support this, I support my colleagues' recommendation.

1969
02:34:18,420 --> 02:34:26,720
And with that, we do have a first from Council Member Garcia, and a second from Council Member

1970
02:34:27,500 --> 02:34:27,940
Lustreau.

1971
02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:32,700
And so, I'm going to propose that we do a roll call, do you want to go ahead and do you need

1972
02:34:32,700 --> 02:34:33,120
to do anything?

1973
02:34:34,380 --> 02:34:34,600
No.

1974
02:34:34,920 --> 02:34:35,100
Okay.

1975
02:34:35,100 --> 02:34:43,480
Okay. And just to be clear, it's the amount that has been recommended by staff, which I think is 42,250 or something like that.

1976
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:44,820
Okay. All right.

1977
02:34:45,940 --> 02:34:46,380
What was the other?

1978
02:34:46,820 --> 02:34:48,600
Okay. Council member Nalti?

1979
02:34:49,280 --> 02:34:49,480
Yes.

1980
02:34:49,820 --> 02:34:50,200
Prasado?

1981
02:34:50,580 --> 02:34:50,760
Yes.

1982
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:51,440
Garcia?

1983
02:34:51,820 --> 02:34:51,960
Yes.

1984
02:34:52,360 --> 02:34:52,960
Antivitus Cole?

1985
02:34:53,500 --> 02:34:55,000
Okay. So what are we voting on now?

1986
02:34:55,140 --> 02:34:56,600
Are we voting for the installation?

1987
02:34:57,820 --> 02:35:04,320
We're voting for the staff recommendation of the dollar amount to provide support for

1988
02:35:04,320 --> 02:35:08,200
of the installation and the upkeep, right, of the statue.

1989
02:35:09,540 --> 02:35:11,380
And it's not a decision about where it's gonna go

1990
02:35:11,380 --> 02:35:14,620
or whether it's meets the historical requirements.

1991
02:35:15,320 --> 02:35:17,420
So it's really about funding the installation

1992
02:35:17,420 --> 02:35:18,200
of the statue.

1993
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:21,200
Okay, no offense here at Chapman, my answer's no.

1994
02:35:24,320 --> 02:35:24,780
Last row?

1995
02:35:25,160 --> 02:35:25,360
Yes.

1996
02:35:25,800 --> 02:35:26,240
Doris?

1997
02:35:26,460 --> 02:35:26,640
No.

1998
02:35:26,980 --> 02:35:27,520
Senator Bob.

1999
02:35:27,960 --> 02:35:30,500
Yes, already the motion passes five, two.

2000
02:35:30,600 --> 02:35:31,560
We can move on to the next item.

2001
02:35:34,290 --> 02:35:36,670
Next item is discussion calendar item number 11.

2002
02:35:36,930 --> 02:35:38,090
It's a fine and public benefit.

2003
02:35:38,090 --> 02:35:42,310
the committee at large recommended expenditures and recap of expanded funds.

2004
02:35:45,060 --> 02:35:50,640
All right. And unless there's any questions or comments, I think, oh,

2005
02:35:55,270 --> 02:35:56,310
yeah, I just forgot

2006
02:35:56,310 --> 02:36:02,370
what it was. I wanted to add something that came up after the meeting, but that's fine. I'll hold on for the next meeting.

2007
02:36:03,070 --> 02:36:07,450
I'll go in motion to approve the finding of public benefit. Can I get a second?

2008
02:36:07,870 --> 02:36:11,370
Okay. All righty. Let's go ahead and do a roll call vote.

2009
02:36:11,370 --> 02:36:12,090
Nalti?

2010
02:36:12,350 --> 02:36:12,470
Yes.

2011
02:36:12,690 --> 02:36:13,090
Quasiado?

2012
02:36:13,390 --> 02:36:13,990
Garcia?

2013
02:36:14,590 --> 02:36:14,750
Yes.

2014
02:36:14,990 --> 02:36:15,550
Ante Velozco?

2015
02:36:15,870 --> 02:36:16,070
Yes.

2016
02:36:16,370 --> 02:36:16,690
Lestero?

2017
02:36:16,890 --> 02:36:17,050
Yes.

2018
02:36:17,370 --> 02:36:17,610
Torres?

2019
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:18,050
Yes.

2020
02:36:18,250 --> 02:36:18,550
San Diego?

2021
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:20,510
Yes.

2022
02:36:21,150 --> 02:36:21,750
Okay.

2023
02:36:21,870 --> 02:36:22,170
Next item.

2024
02:36:23,310 --> 02:36:28,610
Next item is discussion at number 12 of its introduction and first reading of an ordinance.

2025
02:36:28,810 --> 02:36:34,210
I'm ending the Pomona City Code to include the updated City Council District boundaries map adopted

2026
02:36:34,210 --> 02:36:37,990
by the 2021-2022 Independent Redistricting Commission.

2027
02:36:37,990 --> 02:36:41,090
And I do have a small summary on this item.

2028
02:36:41,930 --> 02:36:46,670
Okay, you want to go ahead and give us a summary, and then we have two speakers on the item, and then the council can weigh in.

2029
02:36:47,050 --> 02:36:47,850
Thank you.

2030
02:36:48,690 --> 02:36:55,190
All right, mayor and city council, the city charter, along with federal and state law, require the city to review a potentially real line.

2031
02:36:55,770 --> 02:37:00,190
It's council districts every 10 years after the completion of the decennial census.

2032
02:37:00,890 --> 02:37:04,830
On February 8th, 2021, the Mona City Council adopted an urgency ordinance,

2033
02:37:04,830 --> 02:37:09,750
establishing an independent redistricting commission to redraw City Council Electoral District

2034
02:37:09,750 --> 02:37:14,570
Boundaries based upon the data collected from the 2020 Decennial Census.

2035
02:37:15,290 --> 02:37:19,730
The commission was an independent body with the authority to adopt a final map establishing

2036
02:37:19,730 --> 02:37:22,750
new Council District Boundaries under the City's code.

2037
02:37:23,230 --> 02:37:26,830
The commission's first meeting was held on June 23, 2021.

2038
02:37:27,450 --> 02:37:32,270
A final district map was approved by the commission at their last meeting, which was held on April

2039
02:37:32,270 --> 02:37:33,530
7, 2022.

2040
02:37:33,530 --> 02:37:48,210
The proposed ordinance for Council consideration this evening will amend the Pomona City Code to include the revised City Council electoral district boundaries reflected in the final map adopted by the independent redistricting commission that concludes my overview of this item.

2041
02:37:48,490 --> 02:37:50,090
We have to answer any questions at this time.

2042
02:37:50,530 --> 02:37:55,090
Thank you, Rosalia. Before we do that, let's go and take our two speakers.

2043
02:37:55,090 --> 02:38:02,650
We have Eunice Russell, you're up first, and then Anne Tompkins, you're up right after.

2044
02:38:08,770 --> 02:38:09,470
Welcome, Ms. Russell.

2045
02:38:10,210 --> 02:38:10,910
Hello, Council.

2046
02:38:11,870 --> 02:38:19,690
Again, Eunice Russell, I want to address this because one, you, the Council, rushed and put in an ordinance.

2047
02:38:20,290 --> 02:38:28,210
The ordinance that you put in had that you were supposed to have a meeting with the independent redistricting commission.

2048
02:38:28,210 --> 02:38:34,590
what you failed to have. Not one of you has ever addressed that nor have you dealt with it.

2049
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:39,830
Also, the ordinance that you rushed to put in position that this commission was working under

2050
02:38:39,830 --> 02:38:46,950
is missing two sections. I look to the city attorney. How are you all signing ordinances that are

2051
02:38:46,950 --> 02:38:54,290
incomplete and then having the audacity to act on them? You did the information that was given to

2052
02:38:54,290 --> 02:39:01,250
this independent redistricting commission, they lied, they used the 2020 census data because

2053
02:39:01,250 --> 02:39:07,870
the 2022 census data, I mean the 2010 census data is what they used to make their decision

2054
02:39:07,870 --> 02:39:15,670
because what they, the data was not available for the survey until April of this year.

2055
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:22,930
So all the information and data they used was old data and then I can prove it, I can show

2056
02:39:22,930 --> 02:39:29,170
to you and I brought it to your attention and nobody has addressed that then they cut district six they

2057
02:39:29,170 --> 02:39:36,710
went against the natural border they split up the street cut the district out they reduced the

2058
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:45,010
black population from 12 to 6% and not in one chart did they ever show anybody black it's like we

2059
02:39:45,010 --> 02:39:51,970
moved out of the city and all of you represent all of us and they didn't under the guise because they

2060
02:39:51,970 --> 02:39:57,290
didn't want one, they wanted to have one district that was not, as they said, a majority

2061
02:39:57,290 --> 02:40:03,890
Hispanic. That's ridiculous. In the city, the 78% Hispanic, but the lie was the majority,

2062
02:40:04,110 --> 02:40:09,570
because 51% makes a majority. Even though every district in the city has more Hispanic

2063
02:40:09,970 --> 02:40:16,610
than any other group, they didn't have 51%. Now, my district is sitting with 78% and not

2064
02:40:16,610 --> 02:40:22,130
my new city council has just come to a meeting and said he is more concerned with the southern

2065
02:40:22,130 --> 02:40:27,110
end of his district than where we are because I guess he figures we got money but it's a

2066
02:40:27,110 --> 02:40:31,890
whole bunch of retired people up there so you need to consider what we're going through to

2067
02:40:31,890 --> 02:40:37,410
in addition to the other impoverished people because the retired people are living on a budget.

2068
02:40:38,030 --> 02:40:44,550
What you all have done here is unfair and it has to be some illegal oak and the city attorney

2069
02:40:44,550 --> 02:40:51,190
lied. They told I called the contact of the city clerk and she told me that she had

2070
02:40:51,190 --> 02:40:55,610
to contact the city attorney to find out where I put my brown act violation in. The

2071
02:40:55,610 --> 02:41:01,870
commission had more than one brown act violation and the city attorney lied on the public hearing

2072
02:41:01,870 --> 02:41:07,490
and said that there wasn't a brown act violation and I can prove that too. I can prove everything

2073
02:41:07,490 --> 02:41:12,390
I said, every one of you know it and if you vote to have this been put in before you redo

2074
02:41:12,390 --> 02:41:14,490
you and look at this shame or all of you,

2075
02:41:14,650 --> 02:41:16,570
because I did report you to the district attorney.

2076
02:41:17,170 --> 02:41:18,270
And Tompins, you're up next.

2077
02:41:18,870 --> 02:41:20,670
And then we can discuss this item.

2078
02:41:25,130 --> 02:41:25,850
Welcome, Mr. Tompins.

2079
02:41:26,190 --> 02:41:26,470
Thank you.

2080
02:41:26,810 --> 02:41:30,550
I just wanted to request a little bit of clarification.

2081
02:41:31,330 --> 02:41:34,390
I did attend a number of the redistricting commission meetings.

2082
02:41:35,010 --> 02:41:38,250
And I know that under we have our existing charter,

2083
02:41:38,650 --> 02:41:42,710
then we have the urgency ordinance that really leaned in the state law,

2084
02:41:42,810 --> 02:41:45,090
which is the direction the charter commission had been going.

2085
02:41:46,150 --> 02:41:53,910
In its proposal and clearly under a charter, you have to adopt an ordinance with the new maps after they're approved.

2086
02:41:55,330 --> 02:41:58,950
And so I am in favor of your adapting, you know, this proposal.

2087
02:41:59,130 --> 02:42:03,070
I just want some clarification as to the effectiveness and what it means.

2088
02:42:03,270 --> 02:42:10,970
I know there was a reference in the staff report about its use for city purposes, how the city uses it.

2089
02:42:10,970 --> 02:42:17,850
for, and I believe those reference to communications and something else, but I think from attending

2090
02:42:17,850 --> 02:42:22,750
the meetings, it was very clear that the purpose of the redistricting is to rebalance our

2091
02:42:22,750 --> 02:42:28,050
districts for the benefit of voter representation or, you know, community representation.

2092
02:42:28,610 --> 02:42:34,550
And so I just want a little bit of clarification from the city as to how they use the districts,

2093
02:42:34,550 --> 02:42:44,370
So that it's clear that are people's districts changing because I thought that I heard that they don't change until the voters vote in a

2094
02:42:44,870 --> 02:42:48,510
Get a vote on the on the representative for those new districts

2095
02:42:48,510 --> 02:42:52,870
So that just adopting this map isn't going to change your

2096
02:42:53,430 --> 02:42:56,170
Representative even if you're in a different district

2097
02:42:56,170 --> 02:42:59,670
So if we could get that clarified for the public because I've had some questions

2098
02:43:00,270 --> 02:43:04,430
To myself as to whether we move people's districts or are they now in this other

2099
02:43:04,430 --> 02:43:07,970
district and can they serve on the commission and all sorts of questions like that.

2100
02:43:08,210 --> 02:43:10,470
So that was the reason why I won't speak, thank you so much.

2101
02:43:11,530 --> 02:43:16,750
If it's a really quick answer then I'd say go ahead and take it because I want to make

2102
02:43:16,750 --> 02:43:26,710
sure that Ms. Russell raised a number of things and I'm trying to process all that because

2103
02:43:26,710 --> 02:43:34,070
when we undertook this process we know that historically when elected officials play the

2104
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:39,750
role of deciding boundaries that they get gerrymandered and they look like an

2105
02:43:39,750 --> 02:43:46,310
isosceles triangle and they look split down streets and I did not participate

2106
02:43:46,310 --> 02:43:53,530
in any of those meetings because truly wanted it to be independent and so when

2107
02:43:53,530 --> 02:43:59,430
she's raising some of these issues it just kind of shocks me I say because I didn't

2108
02:43:59,430 --> 02:44:03,190
understand it as such but that's fine everyone has a title that are painted and has

2109
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:08,990
reviews, I respect that. So, Tom, Ms. Tom, things question, is it a pretty quick answer?

2110
02:44:09,250 --> 02:44:15,110
Really quick answer. Just to say this, redistricting is more difficult because you have a city charter

2111
02:44:15,110 --> 02:44:21,230
that created your districts, your awards in this city. You have a state law that's been revised

2112
02:44:21,230 --> 02:44:27,070
through the redistricting process and where many cities are going to districts versus just being

2113
02:44:27,070 --> 02:44:31,670
at large. And then you have your other charter provision that talks out when you got to adopt this

2114
02:44:31,670 --> 02:44:37,110
new map. So let me just keep this as simple as I can. The law that requires the redistricting

2115
02:44:37,110 --> 02:44:43,810
to balance the voting in the city goes into effect when those districts are up for

2116
02:44:43,810 --> 02:44:49,090
election. So this November 2022, November of 2024. That's pretty simple, right? Pretty

2117
02:44:49,090 --> 02:44:56,530
easy, quick, simple to understand. But the expectations of your residents and the constituents that

2118
02:44:56,530 --> 02:44:59,610
that are now represented by the old lines.

2119
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,400
It's difficult. The state law doesn't tell us what we do about that. So there's a period of time where you could have, and it sounds like you do here, the old lines, right? So you've adopted a new map for the districts that are up in 2024. But those lines really don't go into effect until that election goes into effect, and yet you're having this election. So some cities, they do it different ways. They post on their website, the old lines and the new lines.

2120
02:45:29,400 --> 02:45:36,100
They start to communicate to the constituents of, yes, I was elected by you, and I will

2121
02:45:36,100 --> 02:45:42,220
still be responsive to you in this award era of how we deal with things, but you should

2122
02:45:42,220 --> 02:45:47,600
get to know, you know, your new council member, because you could end up with people that

2123
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:52,540
have their old area and then under this election might have two representatives, the one that

2124
02:45:52,540 --> 02:45:53,780
they first elected in the second.

2125
02:45:54,220 --> 02:45:55,700
So I think we're just going to have to be patient.

2126
02:45:55,700 --> 02:46:00,440
you're not the only charter city in the state that's dealing with that issue, it has just happened.

2127
02:46:01,080 --> 02:46:09,340
But legally, legally, those new lines take effect when you vote, your charter is requiring you

2128
02:46:09,340 --> 02:46:15,100
adopt this ordinance to update it. But you were in those of you that were elected, you might have

2129
02:46:15,100 --> 02:46:20,620
been elected by other constituents as in the original election. I know that doesn't sound

2130
02:46:20,620 --> 02:46:26,860
And like it clears up a lot, but that's just how it's going to work until you get to 2024.

2131
02:46:30,770 --> 02:46:35,110
Whether you honor, I think Ms. Tomkins asked a very important question, well, what about

2132
02:46:35,110 --> 02:46:36,950
when you're going to appoint commissioners?

2133
02:46:37,110 --> 02:46:38,070
Where does that leave us?

2134
02:46:38,550 --> 02:46:43,130
I think it would be entirely within the discretion of the council to honor both of those lines.

2135
02:46:43,170 --> 02:46:48,450
If you have commissioners that are serving and doing well, we could find out who those

2136
02:46:48,450 --> 02:46:50,630
people are and work with you through those issues.

2137
02:46:53,470 --> 02:46:59,330
Just give me one second, because Councilmember Garcia had a clarifying question, and then I'll

2138
02:46:59,330 --> 02:47:02,270
be happy to go to you, Councilmember Torres.

2139
02:47:02,470 --> 02:47:06,930
Although, Councilmember Preselle, did you have your—was that from—I thought it was

2140
02:47:06,930 --> 02:47:08,610
from the previous—it's okay.

2141
02:47:08,950 --> 02:47:09,090
Okay.

2142
02:47:09,230 --> 02:47:10,570
Whatever, you're—okay.

2143
02:47:11,110 --> 02:47:15,310
There's a clarifying question here, and then, Councilmember Torres, Councilmember Preselle,

2144
02:47:15,370 --> 02:47:20,010
I had his—so just press your request to speak about my apologies.

2145
02:47:20,010 --> 02:47:21,210
and then we'll go with you, okay?

2146
02:47:21,990 --> 02:47:23,950
No, we're going to go with, yeah, okay.

2147
02:47:24,370 --> 02:47:25,950
You had a clarifying question, Councillor Moore.

2148
02:47:26,710 --> 02:47:27,190
Garcia.

2149
02:47:27,650 --> 02:47:31,690
City Attorney, just for my own clarification here.

2150
02:47:31,910 --> 02:47:34,870
So, for example, Vice Mayor Kuala and I share a border.

2151
02:47:35,830 --> 02:47:38,990
I am up for re-election this year.

2152
02:47:39,530 --> 02:47:42,010
Whoever wins the election for district three,

2153
02:47:42,910 --> 02:47:47,010
the north border is going to gain some of district four.

2154
02:47:47,010 --> 02:48:13,310
That will effectively change the representative of the former D4 council members into the three district council representation for district six and one where the boarders have been affected represent council member Torres will still represent district six in its entirety until

2155
02:48:13,310 --> 02:48:20,410
Still, the re-election in 2024 with Councilmember John Nolte, is that correct?

2156
02:48:22,090 --> 02:48:25,810
Because 1 in 6 are not up until 2020 for, right?

2157
02:48:26,390 --> 02:48:32,910
So that, even though there could be a change, and so on the paper, on the paper, it looks

2158
02:48:32,910 --> 02:48:34,990
like 1 in 6 went through some changes.

2159
02:48:35,670 --> 02:48:39,710
But the people who elected Councilmember Torres, the people who elected Councilmember Nolte,

2160
02:48:39,710 --> 02:48:48,670
For all intents and purposes, they can continue to go to those individuals that were elected in 2020, correct, right?

2161
02:48:49,050 --> 02:48:58,230
Because they're not being impacted. Your statement is also true. But if you three and four, you're talking about, yeah, three and four are both.

2162
02:48:58,230 --> 02:49:00,290
three and five are up, two, three and five.

2163
02:49:00,510 --> 02:49:02,170
So four is not up and that's gonna be,

2164
02:49:02,390 --> 02:49:04,470
that's where the confusion is, right?

2165
02:49:04,590 --> 02:49:06,610
So constituent calls, they were in four,

2166
02:49:07,230 --> 02:49:08,030
now they're in three.

2167
02:49:09,490 --> 02:49:12,690
You have to make a policy decision and communicate to them

2168
02:49:13,130 --> 02:49:16,070
who, you know, I think what I've heard from most other cities

2169
02:49:16,070 --> 02:49:18,210
is we all represent you.

2170
02:49:18,410 --> 02:49:19,550
You know, you elected me,

2171
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:22,350
but we continue to all represent you as elected officials.

2172
02:49:23,070 --> 02:49:25,170
And that's just the uncomfortable position you're in

2173
02:49:25,170 --> 02:49:28,830
until you get through 2024 and everything's cleaned up.

2174
02:49:29,390 --> 02:49:30,130
Thank you, City Attorney.

2175
02:49:30,750 --> 02:49:32,870
Yeah, just real quick, what's the alternative?

2176
02:49:33,230 --> 02:49:35,910
I mean, yeah, what is the alternative?

2177
02:49:36,570 --> 02:49:38,710
I suppose the alternative is you could,

2178
02:49:38,870 --> 02:49:42,050
in adopting this new map, you could say,

2179
02:49:42,810 --> 02:49:46,630
we're gonna treat people, even though the 2024 election

2180
02:49:46,630 --> 02:49:48,370
doesn't happen until 2024,

2181
02:49:49,070 --> 02:49:51,090
we are gonna tell everybody out there

2182
02:49:51,090 --> 02:49:54,050
that they should just abide by this new map.

2183
02:49:54,050 --> 02:50:02,690
Even if you didn't elect district 4 under these new boundaries, we're just going to treat you that way.

2184
02:50:03,130 --> 02:50:13,970
So if someone calls in and under the new map you're in 4, or in the new map you're in 3, you could tell your staff, go ahead and contact the person that's reflected in the new map.

2185
02:50:13,970 --> 02:50:21,310
But for legal purposes, those new boundaries don't go effect until 2024 for one.

2186
02:50:21,710 --> 02:50:26,730
I just haven't been down one four and six one four and six.

2187
02:50:26,910 --> 02:50:34,410
Okay, okay, so Councilmember Pressio and then Councilmember Torres and then anyone else.

2188
02:50:38,340 --> 02:50:39,420
Thank you.

2189
02:50:40,580 --> 02:50:47,080
I think this is just a horrible process, but I understand that there was a lot of cities that

2190
02:50:47,080 --> 02:50:52,140
going through it at the same time even to the point where we were told you have to kind of do it

2191
02:50:52,140 --> 02:50:58,620
now or else the consultants are running out because of their bandwidth as well throughout the entire

2192
02:50:58,620 --> 02:50:59,200
state.

2193
02:51:02,180 --> 02:51:09,500
I don't want to do that again 10 years from now so maybe at a certain point I hopefully

2194
02:51:09,500 --> 02:51:14,620
sooner rather than later especially not 10 years from now. Can we provide guidelines on how it should

2195
02:51:14,620 --> 02:51:19,820
happened next time around like I would even recommend it not be an election

2196
02:51:19,820 --> 02:51:24,100
year in case the census numbers are late again because that's what part of the

2197
02:51:24,100 --> 02:51:28,820
issue was kind of like driving it it felt like numbers were late which

2198
02:51:28,820 --> 02:51:32,300
numbers are we using it felt like six million like a couple of meetings

2199
02:51:32,300 --> 02:51:38,380
happened but none of that information was out until later if we don't adopt it

2200
02:51:38,380 --> 02:51:44,560
today what like what happens so so what we were advising cities and again

2201
02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:45,980
Again, this was across the state.

2202
02:51:46,380 --> 02:51:48,420
Remember that in the old days,

2203
02:51:48,420 --> 02:51:50,420
we had charter cities in general law cities.

2204
02:51:50,880 --> 02:51:52,120
It was really the charter cities

2205
02:51:52,120 --> 02:51:53,700
that had all the districts or wards.

2206
02:51:53,760 --> 02:51:55,540
We had very few general law cities

2207
02:51:55,540 --> 02:51:57,380
that had those district or wards.

2208
02:51:57,720 --> 02:52:00,420
But as the Voting Rights Act challenges started to come forward,

2209
02:52:01,060 --> 02:52:02,340
you know, you had multiple cities,

2210
02:52:02,340 --> 02:52:05,540
even very small cities with 40, 50,000 people in the cities

2211
02:52:05,540 --> 02:52:07,380
that were now having to do by districts.

2212
02:52:07,900 --> 02:52:10,060
You have this state law that came into effect

2213
02:52:10,060 --> 02:52:11,540
and they didn't care about your charters.

2214
02:52:11,540 --> 02:52:16,180
But they also, the state law didn't give us clarification, so we were advising cities

2215
02:52:16,180 --> 02:52:20,600
to comply with the state law, right, because we didn't want you to be sued, we didn't want

2216
02:52:20,600 --> 02:52:26,180
the city to catch a voter writing, voting rights act lawsuit, so we advise you to comply

2217
02:52:26,180 --> 02:52:26,980
with the state law.

2218
02:52:27,260 --> 02:52:32,540
I think your idea of, let's adopt a policy, so in the future everyone will know I think

2219
02:52:32,540 --> 02:52:33,160
that's a good one.

2220
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:38,120
You have about ten years to do that, maybe about nine and a half, so you know if you wanted

2221
02:52:38,120 --> 02:52:41,060
to do that, that's something you could assign for us to work through that.

2222
02:52:41,060 --> 02:52:46,800
We could also take a look at your charter and see if we need any charter amendments that would match you know the state law

2223
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:50,980
We could take a look at that too, and you have some elections where you could fix that but

2224
02:52:51,780 --> 02:52:59,360
It's not fixed now and you have to make a decision on how you're going to operate today. Right and while I also just I just wanted to make

2225
02:52:59,360 --> 02:53:03,460
I mean make a statement that while I understand that we want to be as independent as possible

2226
02:53:04,500 --> 02:53:05,680
maybe a combined

2227
02:53:05,680 --> 02:53:12,000
making things making sense in some way because yes, I understand that it was said it before.

2228
02:53:13,560 --> 02:53:17,520
But really, or at least something, some avenue because I feel like some of the maps were

2229
02:53:17,520 --> 02:53:25,900
gerrymandered anyways and just didn't make sense, and with main crossroads, or main community

2230
02:53:25,900 --> 02:53:28,500
dividers that could have been used were ignored.

2231
02:53:28,500 --> 02:53:34,760
So yeah, and everyone has opinions as to that. The only thing I can say to that is you did use an

2232
02:53:34,760 --> 02:53:40,720
Independent redistricting commission to make it less political so you all wouldn't be deciding your own boundaries

2233
02:53:40,720 --> 02:53:47,660
Kudos to you for doing that some cities did not and if people really believe that there was something going on that was illegal

2234
02:53:47,660 --> 02:53:52,940
They had an opportunity to challenge them, right? They could challenge they could bring challenges to those maps

2235
02:53:53,700 --> 02:53:58,200
When they were done as I recall during the public hearings we did not have

2236
02:53:58,500 --> 02:54:03,740
credible folks come up and give evidence to the fact that those maps were wrong.

2237
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:07,280
If there had been, we would have advised you to evaluate that.

2238
02:54:07,840 --> 02:54:13,240
While I do agree was less political, I think there was also, it seemed to have lack of

2239
02:54:13,860 --> 02:54:19,400
knowledge of those communities that were being affected. But I understand, thanks.

2240
02:54:19,860 --> 02:54:25,500
I mean, I defend your maps as ones that you adopted, which were an expert went through

2241
02:54:25,500 --> 02:54:30,000
working with your city clerk's office, and there was a little process that you used.

2242
02:54:32,020 --> 02:54:33,740
Yeah, I'll leave it.

2243
02:54:34,660 --> 02:54:36,520
Sorry, any other questions, comments?

2244
02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:38,800
Councilmember Torres.

2245
02:54:39,880 --> 02:54:43,620
I'll make brief only because this comes up, you know, relevant to my district.

2246
02:54:44,020 --> 02:54:50,180
I get a lot of constituents who live in that precinct, 16, and precinct, 303, mountain

2247
02:54:50,180 --> 02:54:56,720
metal, Ganesha Hills, and asking me if I'm still the councilman and all that great, great

2248
02:54:56,720 --> 02:55:08,400
And what I tell the community is basically, you know, like with the losses, the bottom line is I was elected to district six map that current one for four year term.

2249
02:55:08,980 --> 02:55:16,720
So I am your councilman from 2020 till 2024. Now, technically speaking, no offense councilman.

2250
02:55:16,720 --> 02:55:18,980
No tea, no tea don't represent that area.

2251
02:55:19,640 --> 02:55:21,620
And if no tea wants to represent that area,

2252
02:55:22,140 --> 02:55:25,100
no tea's got to win that election in 2024.

2253
02:55:25,600 --> 02:55:27,240
That's just the reality of the situation.

2254
02:55:28,060 --> 02:55:31,320
So for those folks who are confused, Fairplex,

2255
02:55:31,720 --> 02:55:33,880
I'm still your councilman for two years.

2256
02:55:34,740 --> 02:55:38,060
So, and if I want to get elected to the new district,

2257
02:55:38,620 --> 02:55:41,500
hopefully it doesn't happen and I do something else better,

2258
02:55:44,060 --> 02:55:58,580
I got to get elected to that district, but it's a little small for me now, so we'll look at other things, but just to clear the air, that's what it is and that's the rule for your term, that's my district, two more years.

2259
02:55:59,160 --> 02:55:59,700
Thank you.

2260
02:56:04,140 --> 02:56:04,620
I mean,

2261
02:56:09,100 --> 02:56:15,180
I'm certainly glad to have Councilmember Torres's help in the district.

2262
02:56:15,680 --> 02:56:19,140
I mean, I think we all represent everybody in the city.

2263
02:56:19,140 --> 02:56:20,560
I think this is a unique situation.

2264
02:56:20,760 --> 02:56:29,740
I don't think that they're in this situation as a legal requirement for it to be either way.

2265
02:56:29,740 --> 02:56:35,540
In other words, if people from Ganesha Hills contact me and want, I mean, I have been to a committee meeting.

2266
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:56,160
I'm sorry I misunderstood what I said there that wasn't, I wouldn't agree with your characterization at all, but I think from a practical standpoint the people in the new district, like you say, if I decide to run again, I mean, that's a ways out, I would definitely have to appeal to them.

2267
02:56:56,160 --> 02:57:01,400
And so, I mean, it's in my interest right now to, you know, do that and to be interested

2268
02:57:01,400 --> 02:57:04,320
in that district because that's the future district.

2269
02:57:04,640 --> 02:57:12,680
So, you know, if people from the, from west of Fairplex contact me, you know, I'm certainly

2270
02:57:12,680 --> 02:57:17,260
still consider myself their council member too, but I'm certainly happy to have, you know,

2271
02:57:17,320 --> 02:57:22,140
the help of council member Lustro and anybody else who wants to help on projects throughout

2272
02:57:22,140 --> 02:57:22,500
the city.

2273
02:57:22,500 --> 02:57:29,520
So I think we're just in this kind of interim period where we work together and that's how I see it.

2274
02:57:30,480 --> 02:57:32,100
I did have one question.

2275
02:57:32,700 --> 02:57:43,220
Was it a typo city attorney that those letters H and I were missing from that ordinance?

2276
02:57:44,760 --> 02:57:51,700
It was discovered to be a clerical air and sometimes we have multiple versions of ordinances going through.

2277
02:57:51,700 --> 02:57:57,400
We have something that might have been sent to a staff member, then a version we'll get to the city clerk's office

2278
02:57:57,960 --> 02:58:03,880
You know by the time that I get them and to sign the official documents. I'm, you know looking through them

2279
02:58:03,880 --> 02:58:10,300
I I do verify dates. I will have to make sure on some of these that I actually go paragraph by paragraph

2280
02:58:10,300 --> 02:58:13,800
So I think just a different version got through we had multiple versions

2281
02:58:14,540 --> 02:58:18,300
We're doing on an urgency basis and those those sections got dropped out

2282
02:58:18,300 --> 02:58:19,660
We apologize

2283
02:58:21,400 --> 02:58:24,280
there was never any intent to

2284
02:58:24,280 --> 02:58:26,760
mislead to hurt your public, it

2285
02:58:26,760 --> 02:58:28,440
was clearly a clerical error.

2286
02:58:29,520 --> 02:58:30,580
Okay, thank you.

2287
02:58:31,140 --> 02:58:33,460
And if I can add as well, we're

2288
02:58:33,460 --> 02:58:34,300
still in the middle of the

2289
02:58:34,300 --> 02:58:34,720
pandemic.

2290
02:58:37,060 --> 02:58:39,100
So everything was done via email

2291
02:58:39,100 --> 02:58:39,660
zoom.

2292
02:58:41,240 --> 02:58:42,300
I think if we would have been,

2293
02:58:42,560 --> 02:58:46,200
if I've been in person, we

2294
02:58:46,200 --> 02:58:47,420
would have had a lot more

2295
02:58:47,420 --> 02:58:48,900
participation from the public

2296
02:58:49,520 --> 02:58:54,100
it was just a whole it was just a crazy time as we all know so just keep that

2297
02:58:54,100 --> 02:58:59,560
in mind as well. Hopefully in ten years we won't be in a pandemic. And I just

2298
02:58:59,560 --> 02:59:03,520
like to say for the record because transparency is super important to me if

2299
02:59:03,520 --> 02:59:07,360
there are concerns about potential violations of the Brown Act I'd be more than

2300
02:59:07,360 --> 02:59:11,020
happy to speak with the District Attorney's Office I have multiple

2301
02:59:11,020 --> 02:59:15,060
conversations with them and where we've ever made errors or I have personally

2302
02:59:15,060 --> 02:59:18,220
been wrong you know my personal philosophy is if you mess up you

2303
02:59:18,220 --> 02:59:22,920
We've messed up, but I've not heard anything to that effect, and I have not been contacted by the DA's office.

2304
02:59:25,420 --> 02:59:27,580
Mayor, you might not be able to say a more important thing on this.

2305
02:59:27,940 --> 02:59:31,120
You know, just once I don't want to make sure that no of these finishes.

2306
02:59:32,380 --> 02:59:33,340
Okay, Councilor Torres.

2307
02:59:33,540 --> 02:59:35,780
You know what, the census data was delayed.

2308
02:59:36,400 --> 02:59:41,660
It was, I mean, the Senate maps and the great Senate, state Senate maps, I should say,

2309
02:59:42,480 --> 02:59:48,860
and their congressional maps and those maps didn't come out for a while because they were delayed with the information.

2310
02:59:48,860 --> 02:59:54,700
So, the staff was working under those conditions, and I remember that, you know, because I was

2311
02:59:54,700 --> 02:59:56,240
in Washington to say that out loud.

2312
02:59:57,680 --> 02:59:59,980
But I was aware of the process, it wasn't in-

2313
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:24,460
We were involved in it, but I was aware of it. They were delayed. We were in the pandemic. We didn't have the hearings. And everybody was in the same situation. I wish the state had given us an extra little extra time. They didn't give us extra time in multiple cities. We're having last minute, you know, and then we only had like three companies from the demographers who were working for all 300 cities in California, which made it even harder.

2314
03:00:29,720 --> 03:00:47,800
I just have a couple of questions so this Russell made a comment about the and maybe I heard it wrong but made a comment about the City Council and the Commission coming together.

2315
03:00:59,820 --> 03:01:16,760
I'm just asking I know a little bit of that but I just want to make sure that the public knows right the you know where the city council sits down with the in this case the the body that was selected to be the independent body.

2316
03:01:16,760 --> 03:01:24,240
My understanding that as well as what the two missing sections that was a clerical error.

2317
03:01:24,500 --> 03:01:30,700
My understanding that it was the original draft of the urgency ordinance to have a joint meeting.

2318
03:01:31,200 --> 03:01:38,600
But I believe later on down the road and City Attorney can say yay or day, but it had been changed.

2319
03:01:39,620 --> 03:01:43,980
That was my understanding that it only needed to go to the commission.

2320
03:01:43,980 --> 03:01:56,600
So it would only go to the commission as opposed to, and I'm just curious, if that meeting had happened, obviously we can, I'm asking to speculate here, but our whole intent was to have an independent commission.

2321
03:01:57,880 --> 03:02:04,920
Make the decision our intent wasn't to money morning quarterback and tell him, well, I actually should have moved a little bit here a little bit there.

2322
03:02:04,920 --> 03:02:09,660
I don't believe that was the intent of this body.

2323
03:02:09,900 --> 03:02:14,600
What I think the intent was was we know that these types of

2324
03:02:15,820 --> 03:02:17,360
redistricting is very political.

2325
03:02:18,700 --> 03:02:19,560
Okay, it is.

2326
03:02:21,240 --> 03:02:24,280
And if you have an independent body,

2327
03:02:24,680 --> 03:02:27,840
you hope that in that process that you have,

2328
03:02:29,780 --> 03:02:33,340
you don't have districts set up based on because I know this person

2329
03:02:33,340 --> 03:02:40,600
and I'm creating and trying to create a district for this person that it's more objective than

2330
03:02:40,600 --> 03:02:46,000
me trying to figure out how do I, how do I, how do I create that little eye

2331
03:02:48,630 --> 03:02:50,170
in district

2332
03:02:50,170 --> 03:02:54,570
six, for example, so that I can somehow get those both, because that's, that's very

2333
03:02:54,570 --> 03:02:59,130
mandering. That's what happens, right? And I don't think that this happened in this process.

2334
03:03:00,030 --> 03:03:05,330
It may not be perfect. I mean, not everybody may like it, but what's the alternative

2335
03:03:05,330 --> 03:03:10,850
to, I mean, some of the, I, I went to the whole county

2336
03:03:10,850 --> 03:03:18,030
research and process because I had to learn that Pomona might end up in another supervisor's district

2337
03:03:18,030 --> 03:03:20,070
and I had some concerns about that.

2338
03:03:20,190 --> 03:03:23,610
Not all of us, but most of us had a good working relationship with supervisors.

2339
03:03:23,610 --> 03:03:26,730
Been really helpful in terms of bringing resources to Pomona.

2340
03:03:28,350 --> 03:03:35,310
And I had to spend hours just fighting, if you will, for the position that we want

2341
03:03:35,310 --> 03:03:36,210
We wanted to keep them on the whole.

2342
03:03:37,030 --> 03:03:39,590
We wanted to make sure that the women remained in district one.

2343
03:03:40,550 --> 03:03:43,870
And then their commission listened, and then they made their decision.

2344
03:03:44,670 --> 03:03:46,410
And the supervisors had to accept it.

2345
03:03:47,130 --> 03:03:51,890
And as I understand it, in the case of the LA County supervisors, they adopted it.

2346
03:03:52,270 --> 03:03:55,610
And I don't know if it's just per their rules, they adopt it like immediately,

2347
03:03:56,430 --> 03:04:01,450
like immediately thereafter, where even though you were elected for a certain district,

2348
03:04:02,130 --> 03:04:04,730
you now become this new district.

2349
03:04:04,730 --> 03:04:08,410
maybe they just have a different that may have been their application as I

2350
03:04:08,410 --> 03:04:12,590
mentioned you could do that but I think also as council member Torres

2351
03:04:12,590 --> 03:04:17,590
mentioned those people who were elected for four years to serve that area have

2352
03:04:17,590 --> 03:04:23,010
a right to assert that they are serving that area so I think a city can say you

2353
03:04:23,010 --> 03:04:26,270
know we're going to we're going to honor the past we're going to encourage the

2354
03:04:26,270 --> 03:04:29,950
future people to reach out to their new council members but may I just add just

2355
03:04:29,950 --> 03:04:32,910
one quick thing and it's a late night we've been talking a lot remember you

2356
03:04:32,910 --> 03:04:35,050
We also had a third component of something going on.

2357
03:04:35,450 --> 03:04:39,130
You would have a charter review commission that was looking at the redistricting process

2358
03:04:39,130 --> 03:04:46,050
and had a very, very different type of process.

2359
03:04:46,210 --> 03:04:47,730
Those were all brought to the council.

2360
03:04:47,950 --> 03:04:49,170
Do you recall that conversation?

2361
03:04:49,770 --> 03:04:52,730
So just don't forget that those were everything that was at play.

2362
03:04:52,910 --> 03:04:53,630
You were dealing with that.

2363
03:04:53,790 --> 03:04:55,350
You were dealing with what staff was recommending.

2364
03:04:55,750 --> 03:04:57,610
You were dealing with what the demographer was recommending.

2365
03:04:57,910 --> 03:04:59,290
So it wasn't an easy task.

2366
03:04:59,290 --> 03:05:09,910
you're dealing with late information, you're dealing with the pandemic, and I just don't want the council or the community to think that these errors were yours alone, all the other cities were suffering too.

2367
03:05:10,610 --> 03:05:21,050
Yeah, and then just lastly, I mean, I know that not all of us see, I think that's pretty self evident.

2368
03:05:21,930 --> 03:05:25,190
I ironically probably 95% of the time we all vote the same.

2369
03:05:26,070 --> 03:05:28,990
It's sometimes those two to three things where we might differ.

2370
03:05:29,210 --> 03:05:32,690
And some of us vote 99% of the time the same and some 100%.

2371
03:05:33,590 --> 03:05:42,710
But I think at the end of the day as it relates to this issue is that we as council as mayor is be responsive irrespective of the district.

2372
03:05:43,950 --> 03:05:48,750
And so even though I may be in my case it's the city.

2373
03:05:48,750 --> 03:05:55,530
So I don't have to, I'm not having to work with the district per se, but, you know, if the new district is

2374
03:05:55,910 --> 03:06:04,390
different in district one because of this change, I'd like to think that council member Nolte is not going to say, well, you know, on my district, I'm not going to deal with it.

2375
03:06:04,990 --> 03:06:09,450
I think the right thing to do and I don't think council member Nolte or council member Torres,

2376
03:06:09,450 --> 03:06:11,290
is honor as coal or any.

2377
03:06:12,690 --> 03:06:15,290
It's, if anything, you just maybe help them

2378
03:06:15,290 --> 03:06:16,830
and direct them to the other council member

2379
03:06:16,830 --> 03:06:18,110
to help us system with that matter.

2380
03:06:18,310 --> 03:06:21,750
But the bottom line is that I think what is the right thing

2381
03:06:21,750 --> 03:06:23,490
to do is you're a Pomona city council member.

2382
03:06:23,630 --> 03:06:24,830
You represent the city of Pomona

2383
03:06:25,610 --> 03:06:27,310
and that we should do everything we can

2384
03:06:27,310 --> 03:06:29,510
to assist our residents irrespective of boundaries.

2385
03:06:30,190 --> 03:06:31,730
There's a reason why boundaries and districts

2386
03:06:31,730 --> 03:06:34,950
was set up and major part had to do with the lack

2387
03:06:34,950 --> 03:06:37,030
of representation, checking people of color.

2388
03:06:38,570 --> 03:06:43,310
And, in fact, one was at the forefront, I believe, at that, and now other cities are having

2389
03:06:43,310 --> 03:06:45,190
to comply, and they are doing it.

2390
03:06:46,250 --> 03:06:50,750
So I just want to make sure that we try to support each other in that way, because ultimately,

2391
03:06:51,550 --> 03:06:58,170
if we sort of punt it, that resident may feel even less trustful of government, and we

2392
03:06:58,170 --> 03:07:00,270
give it a time where people don't always have trust in government.

2393
03:07:00,950 --> 03:07:05,650
And I think it's something that we all here have a responsibility to try to make it more

2394
03:07:05,650 --> 03:07:11,190
trusting even though we're not going to please everyone. So with that said I do have a vice

2395
03:07:11,190 --> 03:07:14,830
mayor on Rose Cole if you want to close us out and then we can just want to clarify

2396
03:07:14,830 --> 03:07:24,910
something city attorney what council Taurus mentioned and council Garcia mentioned that they

2397
03:07:24,910 --> 03:07:34,030
have a piece of district you know for instance he has he still considers or it is still a legal

2398
03:07:35,510 --> 03:07:42,870
standpoint where he is still the council for that one particular area that was given to council

2399
03:07:42,870 --> 03:07:52,830
multi and then district three has a piece of district four so that would be considered

2400
03:07:52,830 --> 03:08:01,110
still a legal the legal reality is what I make sure yes what the legal reality is that when

2401
03:08:01,110 --> 03:08:08,990
councilmember Torres ran the people who elected him were in a certain area right they had the right

2402
03:08:08,990 --> 03:08:15,590
to choose him to represent them for four full years. That is their legal right. That's what they

2403
03:08:15,590 --> 03:08:21,350
chose to do because they were, these were the boundaries, they chose him. The reality is today

2404
03:08:21,350 --> 03:08:26,090
because your new redistricting cut up the district and you have Councilmember Nolte,

2405
03:08:27,170 --> 03:08:32,550
you, the reality is you could redraw it any day of the week and you could say, well, Nolte,

2406
03:08:32,690 --> 03:08:36,750
you've got this and you've got that but the reality is the people that elect Councilmember Torres

2407
03:08:36,750 --> 03:08:39,230
may still choose to come to Council Member Torres.

2408
03:08:39,930 --> 03:08:40,970
They may choose not to,

2409
03:08:41,030 --> 03:08:42,930
they may choose to go talk to Council Member Nolte,

2410
03:08:43,490 --> 03:08:46,350
but the legal reality is,

2411
03:08:46,450 --> 03:08:48,330
it's those are the constituents that elected him,

2412
03:08:48,730 --> 03:08:50,010
and that is undeniable.

2413
03:08:50,430 --> 03:08:52,310
That's why some cities are choosing to put

2414
03:08:52,310 --> 03:08:53,770
both maps on their website.

2415
03:08:54,110 --> 03:08:58,030
They have like the original election and they show it,

2416
03:08:58,090 --> 03:09:01,270
they just for purposes of saying this is what it looked like

2417
03:09:01,270 --> 03:09:02,630
when you got elected.

2418
03:09:03,190 --> 03:09:04,430
And then in your case,

2419
03:09:04,430 --> 03:09:09,770
because your charter is requiring this. Your charter is requiring this. Not all charter cities require

2420
03:09:09,770 --> 03:09:17,910
this action you're taking today, then they publish that second one as well. So district two has

2421
03:09:18,350 --> 03:09:33,070
part of a center whereas I have one side of these center. But if the part that district two has

2422
03:09:33,070 --> 03:09:40,350
right now they can still say hey you're still my council person. They sure can

2423
03:09:40,350 --> 03:09:44,590
and you can decide to take their call 24. That's right you could you could

2424
03:09:44,590 --> 03:09:49,590
choose not today. I'm just saying I'd be happy to talk with you offline about

2425
03:09:49,590 --> 03:09:52,670
what your map looks like because I don't want to answer scenarios when I don't have

2426
03:09:52,670 --> 03:09:57,490
the maps. I have this right here but I don't know the streets. All I'm saying is

2427
03:09:57,490 --> 03:10:04,850
that I think the mayor stated it best. If a constituent calls you and they elected you,

2428
03:10:05,050 --> 03:10:09,550
but the boundaries are changed, are you going to really tell your constituent don't call

2429
03:10:09,550 --> 03:10:13,470
me, I'm not going to be responsive to you, I don't think I don't see any of you doing that

2430
03:10:13,470 --> 03:10:17,970
on this council. And I think that's what it really comes down to at the end of the day. At the

2431
03:10:17,970 --> 03:10:21,950
end of the day, there's only two times when these maps matter to you. When you're seeking

2432
03:10:21,950 --> 03:10:26,410
election and you need to go do your walkie and you want to know who's doors to knock on, right?

2433
03:10:27,830 --> 03:10:31,710
And when you're being responsive to people, but I think knowing all of you, you're going to be

2434
03:10:31,710 --> 03:10:35,710
responsive. If someone from two goes to four, you're going to be responsive to them.

2435
03:10:36,910 --> 03:10:44,530
Okay. So in some ways, the lines don't matter for anything but the election in many ways.

2436
03:10:45,310 --> 03:10:51,130
All right. Thank you. Thank you for that. And the idea of doing the two maps, can we,

2437
03:10:51,130 --> 03:10:52,590
Can we do that, Rosalia?

2438
03:10:53,490 --> 03:11:00,010
We actually do have a theatrical map with the old boundaries that are on the city website.

2439
03:11:00,250 --> 03:11:01,650
So we're already there.

2440
03:11:03,090 --> 03:11:10,930
All right, so this is a, we need to take a vote, you need to read the ordinance, do you want

2441
03:11:10,930 --> 03:11:11,410
to go and do that?

2442
03:11:11,650 --> 03:11:11,930
I will.

2443
03:11:12,170 --> 03:11:12,230
Okay.

2444
03:11:12,830 --> 03:11:17,290
It's ordinance number 4317 in ordinance of the city council, the city of Pomona, California,

2445
03:11:17,290 --> 03:11:23,290
I'm ending chapter 10 elections, excuse me, Article 1 in general, Section 10-1 boundaries

2446
03:11:23,290 --> 03:11:27,950
of Council Districts, the Pomona City Code by changing the City Council Electoral District

2447
03:11:27,950 --> 03:11:32,970
Boundaries, adopted by the Independent Redistricting Commission, pursuant to the Pomona City Charter,

2448
03:11:33,470 --> 03:11:36,150
the California Elections Code, and the 2020 Decennial Census.

2449
03:11:37,050 --> 03:11:37,690
Okay.

2450
03:11:38,210 --> 03:11:41,590
I'd like to ask for a motion of the City Council on this item.

2451
03:11:44,240 --> 03:11:44,880
Can I get a second?

2452
03:11:45,380 --> 03:11:45,800
Second.

2453
03:11:45,800 --> 03:11:45,860
Okay.

2454
03:11:46,220 --> 03:11:47,780
All right, we have a first and a second.

2455
03:11:47,780 --> 03:11:48,460
We'll do a roll call.

2456
03:11:49,180 --> 03:11:49,580
Nalti?

2457
03:11:49,780 --> 03:11:49,960
Yes.

2458
03:11:50,200 --> 03:11:50,580
Reciado?

2459
03:11:50,920 --> 03:11:51,120
Yes.

2460
03:11:51,320 --> 03:11:51,560
Garcia?

2461
03:11:52,060 --> 03:11:52,220
Yes.

2462
03:11:52,460 --> 03:11:53,020
Antebello's call?

2463
03:11:53,340 --> 03:11:53,500
Yes.

2464
03:11:53,800 --> 03:11:54,180
Last row?

2465
03:11:54,340 --> 03:11:54,540
Yes.

2466
03:11:55,600 --> 03:11:56,000
Sandoval.

2467
03:11:56,420 --> 03:11:56,600
Yes.

2468
03:11:59,200 --> 03:11:59,600
Okay.

2469
03:12:00,200 --> 03:12:02,160
We're going to move on to the next item of public hearing.

2470
03:12:05,080 --> 03:12:05,280
Okay.

2471
03:12:05,380 --> 03:12:06,960
Next item is public hearing number 13.

2472
03:12:06,960 --> 03:12:13,260
It's the appeal of minor certificate of appropriateness number 18644-2022HPC resolution

2473
03:12:13,260 --> 03:12:17,800
2-0-2-2-0-1-2, 4-4-1-8, Ken Oak Place.

2474
03:12:24,280 --> 03:12:25,100
Welcome, Anita.

2475
03:12:25,400 --> 03:12:25,800
Thank you.

2476
03:12:26,220 --> 03:12:28,000
Good evening again, Mayor, councilmembers.

2477
03:12:28,260 --> 03:12:30,120
Brief presentation for you this evening.

2478
03:12:30,560 --> 03:12:33,900
This is an appeal of a project to legalize and unpermitted

2479
03:12:33,900 --> 03:12:35,780
six-foot-high vinyl fence.

2480
03:12:36,620 --> 03:12:42,220
And at 4-1-8, Ken Oak Place in the historic district.

2481
03:12:43,540 --> 03:12:45,820
Brief summary of what was applied for.

2482
03:12:46,060 --> 03:12:47,780
It was an appeal originally started

2483
03:12:47,780 --> 03:13:01,780
started out as a minor certificate of appropriateness, which is a staff level decision, that was denied, that was appealed to the commission, they appealed in August 3rd,

2484
03:13:03,320 --> 03:13:14,640
applicant filed an appeal at HPC, HPC made a decision, applicant appealed that decision, and that is before you today.

2485
03:13:16,020 --> 03:13:23,400
The location here is on Kenock Place, again just south of the 110 freeway, north of Orange

2486
03:13:23,400 --> 03:13:28,040
Grove and east of White Avenue.

2487
03:13:28,620 --> 03:13:33,100
There's three main sections of this code that are pertinent for today's discussion.

2488
03:13:33,600 --> 03:13:39,320
One is a Pomona zoning code, which specifies that any fence that is replaced should be replaced

2489
03:13:39,320 --> 03:13:46,100
with like material. Both that's also in our historic guidelines which are dated in 1999

2490
03:13:46,100 --> 03:13:51,380
which were updated in 2009. There were some revisions which also say similar language if there's

2491
03:13:51,380 --> 03:13:57,880
a replacement of offense should be with like material. And then thirdly in our most recent guidelines,

2492
03:13:58,180 --> 03:14:03,380
historic guidelines that our historic preservation supervisor has put together and the commission has

2493
03:14:03,380 --> 03:14:09,240
adopted. As is highlighted also says replacement and I know that's a little small. Replacement

2494
03:14:09,240 --> 03:14:11,340
and a fences should be with like material.

2495
03:14:11,820 --> 03:14:13,300
And that was not the case in this instance.

2496
03:14:13,480 --> 03:14:16,060
The applicant installed vinyl fencing,

2497
03:14:16,320 --> 03:14:20,720
where this is the fence here along the front

2498
03:14:20,720 --> 03:14:21,960
and along the side yard

2499
03:14:24,290 --> 03:14:26,070
installed vinyl,

2500
03:14:26,410 --> 03:14:28,570
where there was previously wood.

2501
03:14:30,710 --> 03:14:32,350
And that is the crux of the issue.

2502
03:14:33,070 --> 03:14:36,750
The HPC, as I mentioned, denied that request, that appeal,

2503
03:14:37,390 --> 03:14:38,570
held staff's decision.

2504
03:14:39,270 --> 03:14:40,870
That was on a four to vote.

2505
03:14:40,870 --> 03:14:51,330
And that is what is before you so some of the other pertinent points is that staff and commission have consistently denied vinyl as an appropriate material and historic districts.

2506
03:14:51,870 --> 03:14:57,150
Commission did raise concerns with potentially setting a precedent of allowing vinyl to be approved.

2507
03:14:58,470 --> 03:14:59,970
And that determined it to be not

2508
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:27,320
We are not historically appropriate and therefore denied the appeal. And then in that decision, the commission gave the applicant one year to replace the vinyl fence with the wood fence. And so tonight's staff recommendation is to uphold the commission decision, denying the appeal of the minor certificate of appropriateness to replace that, to keep that vinyl fence. Or available for any questions, both myself and Jeffrey Starns are historic preservation supervisor.

2509
03:15:27,320 --> 03:15:34,560
Thank you. Thank you. This is a public hearing. So at the time I'm going to go ahead and open up the public hearing and we do have one speaker in this item.

2510
03:15:35,600 --> 03:15:39,940
And Tompins, do you want to come forward? I assume is the applicant here?

2511
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:44,240
Okay.

2512
03:15:47,020 --> 03:15:47,720
Welcome, Ms. Tompins.

2513
03:15:48,440 --> 03:15:57,840
Thank you. Yes. I submitted the speaker card. I did see the applicant here earlier, but I did want to clarify a couple things for the council.

2514
03:15:57,840 --> 03:16:04,440
And there appears to be an error in the staff report about the 99 guidelines.

2515
03:16:05,640 --> 03:16:18,020
We adopted guidelines in 1999, but those guidelines with respect, even though the zoning code was amended in 2009, the 99 guidelines were not amended at that time.

2516
03:16:19,280 --> 03:16:26,420
And I've gone back to the record to try to see when they were amended, but when I was appointed on the commission starting in 2017,

2517
03:16:26,420 --> 03:16:32,380
I talked to staff about that because they hadn't been amended and we have these guidelines

2518
03:16:32,380 --> 03:16:38,240
from 1999 that said you should, you know, it's recommended that you use like-for-like materials

2519
03:16:38,240 --> 03:16:42,640
for fencing, but you're not required to get a certificate of appropriateness.

2520
03:16:42,700 --> 03:16:47,780
It's just if you want to maintain the most highest level of historic preservation, you would

2521
03:16:47,780 --> 03:16:48,600
do it this way.

2522
03:16:49,020 --> 03:16:53,520
And so they were really recommendations because we weren't requiring a certificate of

2523
03:16:53,520 --> 03:16:54,700
appropriateness for new fencing.

2524
03:16:54,700 --> 03:17:00,840
And those are the guidelines that we provided to all of the residents when they were choosing

2525
03:17:00,840 --> 03:17:02,580
to be part of the historic district.

2526
03:17:02,820 --> 03:17:07,660
So those guidelines were widely distributed to most of the people in the historic districts

2527
03:17:07,660 --> 03:17:11,060
that they believe they didn't need a certificate of purpose for fencing.

2528
03:17:11,220 --> 03:17:15,280
So I just want to make sure that the council is aware that that's pretty much the understanding

2529
03:17:15,280 --> 03:17:17,380
of the folks in the historic district for a long time.

2530
03:17:17,820 --> 03:17:22,720
And when we amended the ordinance in 2009, we didn't really go back out to the community

2531
03:17:22,720 --> 03:17:27,520
and tell them we were changing the rules and even today a lot of people don't know we're changing rules

2532
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:31,620
but we've been doing a lot of work to update our guidelines staff has been doing an amazing job

2533
03:17:31,620 --> 03:17:35,780
Jeffery's been working really hard on this and hopefully this year we'll get all of our guidelines

2534
03:17:35,780 --> 03:17:40,300
updated but I want to give you that level of background to understand why we're having these conflicts

2535
03:17:40,760 --> 03:17:46,280
and the struggle that we have to try to be fair to applicants but at the same time if somebody has

2536
03:17:46,280 --> 03:17:50,580
a visible vinyl fence then somebody else sees it and thinks they can put in vinyl fence and the

2537
03:17:50,580 --> 03:17:52,520
situation gets worse, it gets multiplied.

2538
03:17:53,000 --> 03:17:54,160
So we're trying to be compassionate,

2539
03:17:54,500 --> 03:17:56,600
but one thing that we haven't been doing

2540
03:17:57,040 --> 03:18:00,340
is providing applicants with an opportunity

2541
03:18:00,340 --> 03:18:01,800
to apply for economic hardship,

2542
03:18:01,800 --> 03:18:05,360
which is something that I think our ordinance provides for,

2543
03:18:05,460 --> 03:18:07,580
but we've never developed an application for that.

2544
03:18:08,020 --> 03:18:10,600
And replacing offense, what we heard testimony

2545
03:18:10,600 --> 03:18:14,060
from this applicant is that the offense costs like $7,000.

2546
03:18:14,300 --> 03:18:16,500
So when we tell someone they have to remove offense

2547
03:18:16,500 --> 03:18:19,040
within a year, it's like we're finding them $7,000

2548
03:18:19,040 --> 03:18:20,300
in some respects.

2549
03:18:20,400 --> 03:18:23,080
We've had applicants demolish entire buildings

2550
03:18:23,080 --> 03:18:25,380
with permits and there's a code provision for fine

2551
03:18:25,380 --> 03:18:27,860
but we don't get a staff recommendation to find them

2552
03:18:27,860 --> 03:18:29,300
and so we don't find them.

2553
03:18:29,460 --> 03:18:32,720
So we're trying to be fair to applicants

2554
03:18:32,720 --> 03:18:35,220
but it's really challenging at this point in time

2555
03:18:35,220 --> 03:18:36,620
and I just wanted to give you that background.

2556
03:18:37,080 --> 03:18:37,280
Thank you.

2557
03:18:38,600 --> 03:18:40,480
Thank you, Ms. Tompkins.

2558
03:18:41,200 --> 03:18:42,660
I don't have any other speakers on this item,

2559
03:18:42,840 --> 03:18:44,060
so I'm gonna close the public hearings

2560
03:18:44,060 --> 03:18:48,480
and open it up to my colleagues for questions.

2561
03:18:50,020 --> 03:18:53,860
Councilionalty, this is probably your previous. I have your name up here.

2562
03:18:57,450 --> 03:19:01,510
Oh, okay. Yeah, you're up then. Yeah, yes, that may be was from the previous

2563
03:19:02,710 --> 03:19:03,670
Sorry, thanks

2564
03:19:06,910 --> 03:19:15,830
With is there what's the process for a notifying just based on what this town was saying about how changes have happened since 1999 and

2565
03:19:15,830 --> 03:19:17,430
in 2009 and then 2021.

2566
03:19:17,990 --> 03:19:19,710
Is there a process for notifying people

2567
03:19:19,710 --> 03:19:21,950
in historic districts of changes when they happen?

2568
03:19:22,930 --> 03:19:26,150
Not specifically, I can't speak to what happened in 2009,

2569
03:19:26,150 --> 03:19:30,430
but anytime we don't have a specific process of a mailout

2570
03:19:30,430 --> 03:19:31,290
or anything like that.

2571
03:19:31,370 --> 03:19:33,450
We are working through the, that we had a committee

2572
03:19:33,450 --> 03:19:35,910
for outreach and education as part of the HPC

2573
03:19:35,910 --> 03:19:39,350
because it has been a tenant that the commission has

2574
03:19:39,350 --> 03:19:41,450
and the size over the last year wanting to focus on.

2575
03:19:41,610 --> 03:19:45,350
So I think we have our new guidelines completed

2576
03:19:45,350 --> 03:19:50,790
We will be having some kind of campaign to make sure everyone understands the rules as they are

2577
03:19:51,510 --> 03:19:52,510
Comprehensively updated

2578
03:19:52,510 --> 03:19:56,890
We know that when is the that's supposed to be completed or estimated

2579
03:19:57,950 --> 03:20:00,730
Yeah, by November. I we have how many chapters?

2580
03:20:01,710 --> 03:20:08,350
Four different for different chapters going through window styles architectural styles bent styles shrubs trees

2581
03:20:08,350 --> 03:20:10,430
kind of really everything really

2582
03:20:10,990 --> 03:20:16,370
specific. And so that comprehensive guidelines will be done within the next few months by the end of the year.

2583
03:20:16,930 --> 03:20:25,430
Okay, I would just hope that we would, you know, I mean, send something to everybody's house with some kind of a notice and a

2584
03:20:25,430 --> 03:20:29,890
website and a big, you know, exclamation point when we have that done.

2585
03:20:29,890 --> 03:20:39,830
On this, I saw that the staff considered allowing the applicant to only fix the part that was

2586
03:20:41,470 --> 03:20:45,070
street facing that you could see from the street and then decided that you could actually

2587
03:20:45,070 --> 03:20:45,930
see it from everywhere.

2588
03:20:46,970 --> 03:20:51,370
Is that based on that, I mean, when the gates open, I see you can see the fence all the way

2589
03:20:51,370 --> 03:20:51,610
back.

2590
03:20:51,710 --> 03:20:54,970
Is that the photo that kind of shows what your determination was that you can see it from

2591
03:20:54,970 --> 03:20:55,310
everywhere?

2592
03:20:55,310 --> 03:21:02,070
Well, that whole side yard is so that's visible from the sidewalk right here so that's from the sidewalk

2593
03:21:02,070 --> 03:21:08,790
Just sending it the next property so the entire fence is visible. Oh, I'm sorry. There's one other photo where you're kind of looking straight on

2594
03:21:10,510 --> 03:21:14,650
That one so do they have to fix the fence all the way back then

2595
03:21:15,170 --> 03:21:22,050
All the way to the end of the end of their lot line because I mean, I guess my thought is there's a gate there right if they close it

2596
03:21:22,870 --> 03:21:27,310
you can't see the fence all the way back would it be I'm just wondering what you

2597
03:21:27,310 --> 03:21:31,570
thought about that from that other angle you can't really see the fence past the

2598
03:21:31,570 --> 03:21:38,510
neighbor's fence and we looked at it because you can see that whole side down

2599
03:21:38,510 --> 03:21:43,310
your neighbor's driveway that's all visible from the street and so that was that was

2600
03:21:43,310 --> 03:21:47,510
more the issue was that whole side and then the front is all visible from the

2601
03:21:47,510 --> 03:21:52,290
street. Okay, but just, just, just, she only have to replace up to that, that

2602
03:21:52,290 --> 03:21:58,150
fence line. The commission never really went into that. We looked at it at first,

2603
03:21:58,150 --> 03:22:03,790
just trying to compromise to, because the part that's not visible doesn't have an

2604
03:22:03,790 --> 03:22:08,270
impact on, on the character of the district. You're suggesting maybe from here

2605
03:22:08,270 --> 03:22:12,770
where that one is. You see where the brown fence hits the white fence, like you

2606
03:22:12,770 --> 03:22:16,770
can't really see the rest of it. And it would be cheaper for her to just do

2607
03:22:16,770 --> 03:22:20,310
do that front section plus that front facing section.

2608
03:22:21,130 --> 03:22:23,310
It would be cheaper, it's not the whole thing so it would be cheaper.

2609
03:22:25,530 --> 03:22:29,410
Do you think that that's, did you consider that and then decide that that wasn't

2610
03:22:29,410 --> 03:22:31,270
acceptable because you could see through the gate?

2611
03:22:31,750 --> 03:22:36,070
We were trying to find a way at first but that the whole thing that it was just the

2612
03:22:36,070 --> 03:22:46,750
front that needed to be changed but because you can see that side, that's when we

2613
03:22:46,750 --> 03:22:47,990
on that side from the street.

2614
03:22:49,090 --> 03:22:50,910
So we did not then go back and look at,

2615
03:22:50,930 --> 03:22:53,410
oh, what about from that brown fence back?

2616
03:22:54,550 --> 03:22:55,950
Oh, I guess I'm just thinking.

2617
03:22:56,270 --> 03:22:57,910
Like they look like panels to me, right?

2618
03:22:58,050 --> 03:23:00,410
So I can see one, two, three, four, five panels there.

2619
03:23:01,090 --> 03:23:03,350
You know, if they replace those five panels in that one

2620
03:23:03,350 --> 03:23:06,110
and then they get to, they can leave the 10 panels

2621
03:23:06,110 --> 03:23:07,150
that go to the back of the lot.

2622
03:23:07,430 --> 03:23:07,930
It just seems like that.

2623
03:23:08,790 --> 03:23:09,250
What's that?

2624
03:23:09,430 --> 03:23:09,970
That's an option.

2625
03:23:10,310 --> 03:23:10,810
That's an option.

2626
03:23:11,430 --> 03:23:13,030
That's what council wants to do.

2627
03:23:13,610 --> 03:23:13,930
Okay.

2628
03:23:13,930 --> 03:23:21,950
Okay, it would be appropriate, I mean, the staff denies it based off is there an impact

2629
03:23:21,950 --> 03:23:25,650
to the character of the district, if it's not visible, there's no impact.

2630
03:23:26,650 --> 03:23:31,330
Okay, so I mean, I guess that would be, I wonder if my colleagues would support that.

2631
03:23:31,570 --> 03:23:35,070
So if, you know, I mean, I guess it would be the applicant's decision, I mean, she can

2632
03:23:35,070 --> 03:23:41,130
replace the whole thing if she wants, but if it's cheaper to do wood from, you know, that

2633
03:23:41,130 --> 03:23:45,990
would fence that you can see behind the red car up to the street and then plus the one

2634
03:23:45,990 --> 03:23:50,010
in the front and that's all would and it's okay for her to keep the rest of her fence

2635
03:23:50,010 --> 03:23:53,810
to the back of a lot of line the way that it is because you can't see it.

2636
03:23:54,950 --> 03:23:55,590
That's a suggestion.

2637
03:23:57,090 --> 03:24:07,330
One I like to suggestion, I guess the question is we have an item before us that is an

2638
03:24:07,330 --> 03:24:12,950
appeal. And can we modify the?

2639
03:24:13,310 --> 03:24:19,430
Yes, the public hearing. So, okay. So, so, so what I'm, what I'm hearing you say,

2640
03:24:19,610 --> 03:24:24,330
Councilmember, is that, okay, it's one thing to tell them they have to take the whole

2641
03:24:24,330 --> 03:24:29,490
thing down versus you only have to take part of it down. What you choose to do in the back

2642
03:24:29,490 --> 03:24:34,670
is up to you. We're not going to regulate that. What we're really regulating is what's

2643
03:24:34,670 --> 03:24:41,190
visible from the street, because the city did not make, how can I say it, the district

2644
03:24:41,190 --> 03:24:46,950
when it was created set up these standards for each other in the districts, correct?

2645
03:24:47,230 --> 03:24:53,070
I mean, what I want to make clear is that the city is not saying this is what you have

2646
03:24:53,070 --> 03:24:58,690
to do even though we're saying that people created districts for the purpose of preserving the

2647
03:24:58,690 --> 03:25:05,350
historical architecture and they came and they lobbied and they organized

2648
03:25:05,350 --> 03:25:09,390
themselves and they created GIFTrix. I just want to make sure we'll understand

2649
03:25:09,390 --> 03:25:14,750
that that that we're we're we it was an attempt to listen to people who felt

2650
03:25:14,750 --> 03:25:21,470
this was an important part of Pomona's future present and future but I would

2651
03:25:21,470 --> 03:25:24,010
I support that council member as a recommendation.

2652
03:25:26,070 --> 03:25:29,350
And if we can, you want to just make the motion.

2653
03:25:29,410 --> 03:25:32,170
Yeah, I'll make a motion just that the,

2654
03:25:33,930 --> 03:25:36,750
we modify the requirement.

2655
03:25:39,710 --> 03:25:42,150
So granting the appeal, I guess in part, I don't know how you put it.

2656
03:25:42,210 --> 03:25:44,210
But in other words, the defense just has to be,

2657
03:25:44,350 --> 03:25:46,330
the visible part with the gateclose has to be

2658
03:25:49,150 --> 03:25:50,870
taken down and made wood within a year.

2659
03:25:50,870 --> 03:26:04,490
So maybe to grant the appeal with the modification of allowing final in the rear beyond at the at the fence as a neighboring fence line and then the front portion replaced with lid.

2660
03:26:05,390 --> 03:26:13,170
Yes, that's right. I mean, so okay, something occurs to me, which is okay, what if she says, well, I just want to take the fence down entirely.

2661
03:26:13,170 --> 03:26:16,290
really, does she have the right to do that, the whole fence?

2662
03:26:16,570 --> 03:26:16,830
Yes.

2663
03:26:17,370 --> 03:26:20,450
So I mean, if she's going to do that, she pretty much have to take the whole fence down

2664
03:26:20,450 --> 03:26:24,150
because you can see the back from the front if you don't have a gate there.

2665
03:26:24,550 --> 03:26:30,630
So I guess I would make that part of the recommendation to, like she can't just leave the back up, it

2666
03:26:30,630 --> 03:26:35,190
would have to be replacing the front or taking the whole fence down.

2667
03:26:36,430 --> 03:26:37,350
Does that make sense?

2668
03:26:37,790 --> 03:26:38,430
That's your motion.

2669
03:26:38,750 --> 03:26:38,830
Yeah.

2670
03:26:39,050 --> 03:26:39,150
Okay.

2671
03:26:39,150 --> 03:26:45,290
All right. There's just some of the speakers that won away and vice mayor on a rose coal and then councilmember for Seattle.

2672
03:26:45,990 --> 03:26:47,210
Yes, thank you.

2673
03:26:50,580 --> 03:27:06,060
So I can see the front panel basing the street and then you have one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, five. Okay. Now, I think that's a good idea.

2674
03:27:07,720 --> 03:27:15,760
in regards to just replacing the part that's visual from the street.

2675
03:27:15,980 --> 03:27:23,020
I mean, we have a senior citizen here, and she even requests three to five years in order for her to replace the whole thing.

2676
03:27:23,200 --> 03:27:31,500
That's if we go ahead, you know, the picture that shows all the way down into her lot.

2677
03:27:31,500 --> 03:27:38,180
I mean her lot is pretty deep these old homes have deep lots I know because I have 180 foot deep in my own house

2678
03:27:38,180 --> 03:27:40,420
So I know how important that is

2679
03:27:41,700 --> 03:27:44,960
Senior citizens that strive to do something for their home

2680
03:27:44,960 --> 03:27:54,080
Unfortunately, she did not check about permit. She did not check about the the type of materials and this and that maybe because we're not really being

2681
03:27:55,240 --> 03:27:55,980
You know

2682
03:27:58,680 --> 03:28:00,980
notifying people like Council

2683
03:28:01,780 --> 03:28:07,420
Multicid, maybe send a letter, let people know, especially when they're living in historic districts.

2684
03:28:07,980 --> 03:28:14,400
The applicant even mentioned that there's several homes like that in her neighborhood and in Wilton Heights.

2685
03:28:15,260 --> 03:28:23,640
So these people, you know, I did some research, you know, the home depot for one panel of a vinyl,

2686
03:28:24,760 --> 03:28:28,640
$6x8 is $118, okay?

2687
03:28:30,320 --> 03:28:36,200
Also, if maintained properly, these vinyl fences last 100 years.

2688
03:28:36,780 --> 03:28:44,760
Where if you have a wood fence, you have to consider dry rot, you have to consider maintenance,

2689
03:28:45,040 --> 03:28:48,220
you have to consider putting the seal in on it, a paint job or whatever.

2690
03:28:48,820 --> 03:28:51,280
She says that she can no longer do that type of work.

2691
03:28:51,280 --> 03:29:04,280
So, you know, I mean, people are doing everything they can to maintain their home and vinyl is very popular. It's been out since the 1980s, but now the quality is better.

2692
03:29:05,980 --> 03:29:09,320
And I think that's why so many people are leaning toward it.

2693
03:29:10,700 --> 03:29:14,680
You know, I don't know if she had a professionally installed.

2694
03:29:15,640 --> 03:29:16,680
Do you know if she had to

2695
03:29:16,680 --> 03:29:17,680
professionally install.

2696
03:29:18,020 --> 03:29:18,920
It looks like she did yes.

2697
03:29:19,180 --> 03:29:21,100
And yet they didn't go to the

2698
03:29:21,100 --> 03:29:22,340
city, and that's her permit.

2699
03:29:23,980 --> 03:29:24,860
That's unbelievable.

2700
03:29:25,900 --> 03:29:27,960
So, you know, I mean, he didn't

2701
03:29:27,960 --> 03:29:29,780
do his due diligence and I think

2702
03:29:29,780 --> 03:29:31,120
that caused a problem for this

2703
03:29:31,720 --> 03:29:32,160
applicant.

2704
03:29:32,940 --> 03:29:35,880
But, you know, being a senior,

2705
03:29:36,100 --> 03:29:37,440
she said late 70s.

2706
03:29:37,440 --> 03:29:38,760
I mean, these are people that

2707
03:29:38,760 --> 03:29:45,240
have worked all their lives. They're doing what they can. Now they're retired. I mean, I can put myself

2708
03:29:45,240 --> 03:29:50,940
in their place because when I retired, I couldn't. I finally got to do a block wall and rot iron.

2709
03:29:51,860 --> 03:29:59,960
It took me that long to have a fence like that because it's costly. So you decide, you know, what are you

2710
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,800
She finally got what she wanted, unfortunately, you know, the vinyl in a historic district. I am not an in historic district, and I'm pretty glad that I'm not. But the thing is this, I agree with council guilty that we should amend this so she can possibly just do the front area, which is for five panels. And maybe, you know, have somebody.

2711
03:30:31,540 --> 03:30:41,220
I'm sure she's going to have a professional install it and the cost of wood is very expensive. It's gone up 400%.

2712
03:30:41,220 --> 03:30:56,780
So she's probably going to have to save her money for, you know, if we can grant the year, the one year where she can have this done, give her some time to save up her money.

2713
03:30:56,780 --> 03:30:59,220
because we don't know her financial condition.

2714
03:30:59,620 --> 03:31:01,360
I think we have a solution.

2715
03:31:02,460 --> 03:31:03,800
I think that's a good idea.

2716
03:31:03,860 --> 03:31:05,760
Right, okay, so we have a first.

2717
03:31:05,840 --> 03:31:06,960
A lot of things, Mayor.

2718
03:31:07,200 --> 03:31:08,760
I think he has an excellent idea.

2719
03:31:09,180 --> 03:31:09,640
We have a first.

2720
03:31:09,880 --> 03:31:10,560
I'm a second.

2721
03:31:11,060 --> 03:31:12,120
Let's go into a roll call.

2722
03:31:12,480 --> 03:31:13,160
Thank you.

2723
03:31:13,400 --> 03:31:13,600
Thank you.

2724
03:31:13,680 --> 03:31:13,700
Thank you.

2725
03:31:13,920 --> 03:31:14,260
Thank you.

2726
03:31:14,460 --> 03:31:14,640
Yes.

2727
03:31:14,980 --> 03:31:15,260
Garcia.

2728
03:31:16,760 --> 03:31:16,940
Yes.

2729
03:31:17,160 --> 03:31:17,720
Antivero School.

2730
03:31:18,340 --> 03:31:18,480
Yes.

2731
03:31:18,740 --> 03:31:19,120
Last row.

2732
03:31:19,260 --> 03:31:19,480
Yes.

2733
03:31:19,760 --> 03:31:20,100
Sores.

2734
03:31:20,360 --> 03:31:20,800
Santa.

2735
03:31:21,300 --> 03:31:21,740
Yes.

2736
03:31:21,740 --> 03:31:21,900
Yes.

2737
03:31:22,520 --> 03:31:23,360
Our next item.

2738
03:31:23,960 --> 03:31:25,780
Next item is public hearing item number 14.

2739
03:31:26,000 --> 03:31:31,080
It's a public hearing to receive comments on the fiscal year 2021-22 consolidated annual

2740
03:31:31,080 --> 03:31:34,140
performance and evaluation report of Caper.

2741
03:31:38,310 --> 03:31:39,010
Thank you, Mayor.

2742
03:31:39,070 --> 03:31:39,930
Be mindful of time.

2743
03:31:40,030 --> 03:31:40,250
Welcome.

2744
03:31:40,430 --> 03:31:40,630
Welcome.

2745
03:31:40,770 --> 03:31:40,890
Welcome, Mayor.

2746
03:31:41,390 --> 03:31:41,550
Welcome.

2747
03:31:41,550 --> 03:31:41,710
Welcome.

2748
03:31:41,710 --> 03:31:43,530
My 20-meter presentation to 10 minutes.

2749
03:31:44,810 --> 03:31:45,250
Just.

2750
03:31:46,530 --> 03:31:47,670
We're going to chime in.

2751
03:31:48,290 --> 03:31:50,370
Can we open the public hearing?

2752
03:31:50,690 --> 03:31:51,110
Just got it.

2753
03:31:51,350 --> 03:31:51,690
Thank you.

2754
03:31:51,690 --> 03:31:51,990
Yes.

2755
03:31:53,770 --> 03:31:55,210
Mayor Councilmember, thank you.

2756
03:31:55,230 --> 03:31:59,070
This is a public hearing to consider the removal of an existing crosswalk at the intersection

2757
03:31:59,070 --> 03:32:00,910
of Bonnie, Brea and Fellows Place.

2758
03:32:01,430 --> 03:32:06,670
This intersection and a crosswalk is immediately adjacent to a proposed all-de-market development.

2759
03:32:07,170 --> 03:32:12,150
More importantly, the existing crosswalk is right next to the driveway that will be used

2760
03:32:12,150 --> 03:32:14,710
by the proposed, I apologize.

2761
03:32:16,150 --> 03:32:17,230
Did we miss 14?

2762
03:32:18,730 --> 03:32:19,230
It's okay.

2763
03:32:19,410 --> 03:32:20,290
You can continue.

2764
03:32:20,290 --> 03:32:22,970
It's been a while, it's been a while, sir.

2765
03:32:24,050 --> 03:32:26,210
Yeah, let's just finish it, let's finish it.

2766
03:32:27,410 --> 03:32:33,210
Can you start running the clock, Carla, can you press the clock, please?

2767
03:32:34,730 --> 03:32:40,350
That's okay, that's what happens when we go from meetings that last 40 minutes to the last three hours.

2768
03:32:40,690 --> 03:32:48,650
So just, just for clarity, we are on agenda item 15, city clerk, we are on agenda item 15, correct?

2769
03:32:48,650 --> 03:32:49,410
I do.

2770
03:32:49,510 --> 03:32:49,890
Why don't you read?

2771
03:32:50,250 --> 03:32:50,750
14 or 15.

2772
03:32:51,270 --> 03:32:52,210
René strikes again.

2773
03:32:53,290 --> 03:32:54,570
Item number 14.

2774
03:32:54,970 --> 03:32:59,770
And the title, public hearing to receive comments on the fiscal year 2021-22.

2775
03:33:00,330 --> 03:33:03,490
Consolidate annual performance and evaluation report, Caper.

2776
03:33:04,650 --> 03:33:05,750
So, I am.

2777
03:33:05,890 --> 03:33:06,510
But that's okay.

2778
03:33:06,610 --> 03:33:07,770
Let's move the agenda.

2779
03:33:08,390 --> 03:33:08,490
Okay.

2780
03:33:08,950 --> 03:33:09,410
We can do 15.

2781
03:33:09,590 --> 03:33:12,910
You know, clearly, René was completely out of line, unacceptable.

2782
03:33:13,650 --> 03:33:14,910
But it is what it is.

2783
03:33:14,910 --> 03:33:22,410
and let's let him perform for the next 20 minutes and just so you know Renee your

2784
03:33:22,410 --> 03:33:26,870
colleagues are looking at you. Just wait till tomorrow is executive.

2785
03:33:26,990 --> 03:33:30,450
I know. I'll hear it from now. Yes he's bringing donuts tomorrow.

2786
03:33:32,310 --> 03:33:33,030
And coffee.

2787
03:33:35,110 --> 03:33:37,610
Can he please wear a Pomona high school sweatshirt?

2788
03:33:43,410 --> 03:33:44,890
Can you start your

2789
03:33:44,890 --> 03:33:50,650
item number 15, public hearing to remove crosswalk at the intersection of Bonnie Bray Street and

2790
03:33:50,650 --> 03:33:51,270
Fellows Place.

2791
03:33:55,680 --> 03:33:59,660
This is a public hearing to consider the removal of an existing crosswalk at the

2792
03:33:59,660 --> 03:34:04,680
intersection of Bonnie Bray and Fellows Place. This intersection of crosswalk is immediately adjacent to

2793
03:34:04,680 --> 03:34:09,840
proposed all the market development. More importantly, the existing crosswalk is right next to the driveway

2794
03:34:09,840 --> 03:34:16,080
that was used by the development and by its delivery trucks. Style feels that it creates a potential

2795
03:34:16,080 --> 03:34:18,380
a conflict between the delivery trucks and pedestrians.

2796
03:34:19,120 --> 03:34:21,400
And as such, we recommend removal of the crosswalk.

2797
03:34:21,880 --> 03:34:24,760
It's important to note that the developer does agree

2798
03:34:24,760 --> 03:34:27,640
with the removal of the crosswalk and will do so.

2799
03:34:28,160 --> 03:34:30,020
But they have also agreed to reconstruct

2800
03:34:30,020 --> 03:34:32,240
an implement of crosswalk more visible

2801
03:34:33,030 --> 03:34:35,080
about 250 feet north of this location

2802
03:34:35,820 --> 03:34:38,060
on Bonnie Bray and San Bernardino.

2803
03:34:38,400 --> 03:34:39,760
That's it, thank you, sorry.

2804
03:34:40,160 --> 03:34:43,960
Thank you, so this is a public hearing.

2805
03:34:49,560 --> 03:34:51,340
I'm going to close the public hearing.

2806
03:34:52,080 --> 03:34:54,440
We have a motion by Councilmember Anovero's Coal.

2807
03:34:54,780 --> 03:34:55,380
Can I get a second?

2808
03:34:56,060 --> 03:34:57,780
Councilmember Torres, let's do a roll call vote.

2809
03:34:58,460 --> 03:34:59,320
Roll call, Nalti?

2810
03:34:59,700 --> 03:34:59,840
Yes.

2811
03:35:00,080 --> 03:35:00,500
Reciado?

2812
03:35:00,860 --> 03:35:01,060
No.

2813
03:35:01,440 --> 03:35:01,820
Garcia?

2814
03:35:02,560 --> 03:35:02,840
Yes.

2815
03:35:03,260 --> 03:35:03,960
Antivero's Coal?

2816
03:35:04,120 --> 03:35:04,260
Yes.

2817
03:35:04,660 --> 03:35:05,040
Last row?

2818
03:35:05,220 --> 03:35:05,400
Yes.

2819
03:35:05,760 --> 03:35:06,000
Torres?

2820
03:35:06,440 --> 03:35:06,740
Yes.

2821
03:35:06,940 --> 03:35:07,360
Sandoval.

2822
03:35:07,860 --> 03:35:08,080
Yes.

2823
03:35:08,540 --> 03:35:12,420
Can we just make sure that René stays throughout the rest?

2824
03:35:12,420 --> 03:35:14,760
I just tasted through the end of the meeting

2825
03:35:15,320 --> 03:35:18,400
because it was kind of an end around about maybe being able

2826
03:35:18,400 --> 03:35:19,980
to go home a little early there, I'm sure.

2827
03:35:20,320 --> 03:35:22,760
So, but anyways, let's go on item 14,

2828
03:35:23,220 --> 03:35:25,500
which was where we were supposed to go originally.

2829
03:35:27,040 --> 03:35:28,160
Third time's a charm.

2830
03:35:28,840 --> 03:35:31,160
Public here at item number 14 is a public hearing

2831
03:35:31,160 --> 03:35:34,420
to receive comments on the fiscal year of 2021-22

2832
03:35:34,420 --> 03:35:38,140
consolidated and performance and evaluation report paper.

2833
03:35:38,140 --> 03:35:40,780
We have many comments about Renee's behavior.

2834
03:35:42,740 --> 03:35:44,080
Go ahead and go ahead.

2835
03:35:44,200 --> 03:35:46,060
Good evening everyone, I'm going to be hearing.

2836
03:35:49,260 --> 03:35:50,180
Good evening, Mary.

2837
03:35:50,560 --> 03:35:53,720
Members of the Council tonight, you have before you, a public hearing, to receive comments

2838
03:35:53,720 --> 03:35:56,700
on the fiscal year 2021.

2839
03:35:57,500 --> 03:36:00,140
Consultative annual performance and evaluation report.

2840
03:36:00,400 --> 03:36:06,920
This is a report we bring to you annually that gives a look back on how federal funds for

2841
03:36:06,920 --> 03:36:11,240
or spent in CDBG ESG home housing choice voucher

2842
03:36:11,240 --> 03:36:12,300
all of our federal funds.

2843
03:36:13,420 --> 03:36:15,480
And staff's done sort of the answer any questions.

2844
03:36:16,300 --> 03:36:17,320
Thank you, Anita.

2845
03:36:18,040 --> 03:36:19,520
And this is a public hearing.

2846
03:36:20,180 --> 03:36:21,180
We have any speakers on this item.

2847
03:36:21,400 --> 03:36:21,840
We don't.

2848
03:36:21,960 --> 03:36:23,260
I'll go ahead and close the public hearing.

2849
03:36:24,640 --> 03:36:25,540
I'll move the item.

2850
03:36:27,960 --> 03:36:28,420
All right.

2851
03:36:28,620 --> 03:36:29,380
Does your roll call vote?

2852
03:36:30,320 --> 03:36:30,760
Nolti.

2853
03:36:31,160 --> 03:36:31,280
Yes.

2854
03:36:31,520 --> 03:36:31,960
Araciado.

2855
03:36:32,480 --> 03:36:32,920
Garcia.

2856
03:36:33,300 --> 03:36:33,500
Yes.

2857
03:36:33,820 --> 03:36:34,400
Un tiberosco.

2858
03:36:34,700 --> 03:36:34,860
Yes.

2859
03:36:35,160 --> 03:36:35,480
Last row.

2860
03:36:35,580 --> 03:36:35,740
Yes.

2861
03:36:36,120 --> 03:36:36,440
Sores.

2862
03:36:36,860 --> 03:36:37,300
Sandor.

2863
03:36:38,780 --> 03:36:41,900
Yes, so at the next executive meeting tomorrow, I will

2864
03:36:41,900 --> 03:36:45,180
enable ring donuts, coffee, and bouquet of flowers for

2865
03:36:45,180 --> 03:36:45,380
bidding.

2866
03:36:46,500 --> 03:36:48,460
So the next regular meeting will be held on October

2867
03:36:48,460 --> 03:36:51,100
3, 2022 in the City Council, Chambers, 505 South

2868
03:36:51,100 --> 03:36:53,420
Area Avenue from one of California procession items will be

2869
03:36:53,420 --> 03:36:56,600
discussed at 5.30 p.m. The open session will come into 7 p.m.

2870
03:36:57,260 --> 03:36:58,900
I have a good night, everyone.