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Okay, it's seven o'clock. We're going to call this meeting

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to order. Welcome everybody. We'll start off in a good

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way with the territorial land acknowledgement. The city of Port

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Moody carries out our business on the ancestral and unseated

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homelands of the Quakewitlam, Slail with Tooth, Musquim, Squamish, Katzy,

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Kwantlun, Kikate, and Stolo Peoples and extends appreciation for the

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opportunity to work on this territory. Next time is adoption

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of the agenda. And I will move that the agenda,

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the adopted as circulated with the following amendments. We have

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a couple of typos, and the one item to add.

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Replacing the memo for item 7. 1 adoption of ACC

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bylaw and DCC bylaw, number 3550 with the memo is

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provided in the on - table package. That's due to

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a typo, replacing the memo for 1. 1. 2 heritage

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alteration permit, 101 first Avenue with MMO as provided in

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the on - table package. Same reason. And then the

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addition of 11. 5, which is federal rail safety improvement

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program grant intake. So that's been moved. Is there a

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seconder? All in favor. Posed, carried. Thank you. Okay, we'll

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move on to art at Council, and I will provide

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Councillor Knowles with the chair for a moment. Go ahead.

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Thank you so much, Mayor. Tonight we are pleased to

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welcome Jenna Wynd, a third year visual art student at

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Emily Carr University. Jenna is the recipient of the 2026

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CREAM Choice Scholarship at Pomo Arts. Her artistic practice includes

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Ink drawing and middle sculpture, while intricate line drawings were

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once her primary focus, her work has recently evolved as

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she learns to draw with steel. Tonight we are delighted

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to present Labyrinthine, a sculpture made from welded steel rods.

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Jenna describes her sculptural process as fierce physically demanding and

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often intense, stark contrast to the intimate and quiet act

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of drawing. Labyrinthin, you will have to tell me if

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I'm mispronouncing that when you come up. As part of

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a larger body of work that explores the workaround her

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and responds to dominant narratives of war, discrimination, uncertainty and

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imbalance. Themes that have become increasingly present in our everyday

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lives. Additional works by Jenna can be viewed at Pomo

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Arts as part of her solo exhibition Laguna on display

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until August 30th. Please join me in welcoming Jenna. We

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look forward to hearing more about your artistic practice. Hi

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Jenna, welcome. I also wanted to say before you begin,

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I've seen your exhibition. I've been to Pomar at a

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couple times. I took my daughter on the weekend and

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I really thought it was very thought - provoking. I

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really love the wax one in particular. Oh great, thank

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you so much. Welcome. Hi, good evening. Thank you so

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much for having me. It's actually really nice feedback in

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Port Moody. I was actually born here. So it's nice

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to be coming back and forth. Welcome home. Artwork here.

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My practice involves expressing myself through sculpture and detailed ink

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and graphite drawings, working in sculpture is a fairly new

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practice for me. Within the last year, I've learned all

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of my techniques in metalworking. Previously all of my work

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had just been revolved around line drawing. But more recently

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I'm learning to take that drawing style and apply it

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to steel to make something a lot more fluid through

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something so rigid and very difficult to work with. My

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methodology within working with metal is it's often quite, it's

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very strenuous, very fierce and very loud. It's a very

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demanding process and this is a really interesting contrast to

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my drawing, which is very quiet and very intimate. So

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these two processes inform each other and they kind of,

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I explore the two rigors between the disparate connections between

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these two to similar practices. Um, and the work today

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I brought is called Labyrinthine. It's a steel sculpture that

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I welded, formed, and very heavily grinded. Uh, the piece

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was a starting point for the collection of work that

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I'm currently presenting at home or art centre. Um, the

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body work is titled La Kuna and this refers to

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the spaces in between or a gap or a missing

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piece. Um, the resulting works in this collection reflect abro

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and unfiltered interpretation of my understanding of the world, embracing

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its cultural. I'm sorry, it's critical flaws, influences and complexities.

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Uh, this body of work is my attempt to understand

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the outer world around me, the dominant narratives of a

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war, discrimination, uncertainty, and imbalance that has become a consistent

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theme to contend with an everyday life. Uh, this emotive

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burden feeds into the tension that I explore within my

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work and drives the energy that I use to create

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within my practice. Um, I work as best understood through

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your own exploration. And this is a direct line into

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my method of thinking. Uh, my newest body work combined

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steel blown glass and wax. And you can see a

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little bit of this at pomerart centre. And hopefully I'll

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have more to come. Uh, the exhibitions on until the

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30th. And thank you so much for your time. Thank

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you so much. Any other comments from council? I see

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Councillor Dilworth has. Just absolutely gorgeous. How long did it

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take you from the time you first started thinking about

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this idea until it was completed? This one took about,

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I think, 50 hours of work. Okay. Um, yes. Wow.

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And people may not see from the audience, but it's

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just got this intricate texturing throughout. Is it meant to

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be touched at all? Cause I'm a tactile person. I

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was going to touch it. My time. I better not.

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You're welcome to touch it. It is, um, it's, it's

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all of it. It's built up weld. So it's, it's

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done with hours of taking a welding gun and essentially

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drawing the material onto it. Quite a few hours of

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just grinding and finishing that material off. So it kind

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of resembles tree bark or a little bit of like

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intricate, um, I guess like cell structures as well through

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the process. Yeah. It's gorgeous. And that's a very cool

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explanation of that texturing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

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very much for being here. It's absolutely beautiful. Peace as

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Councillor Dilworth stated. And I'm so happy to have you

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here. And welcome home. Thank you so much. You're welcome.

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Thank you for coming. Thank you. All right. So, uh,

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the next item is, do I need to read this

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statement? Uh, we're here. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Uh, would have

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been public, but it's public input, but that has been

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pause. To comply with provincial legislation on election advertising. There

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will be no, no, no, input agenda item at Council

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meetings conducted between July 20th and October 17th during this

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time the public is welcome to email counsel at Council

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at Portmoody. ca. We'll move to adoption of the minutes.

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Uh, so that is July 7th, July 14th. Moved. Is

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there a seconded all in favor. Opposed carried. Thank you.

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Which brings us to the consent agenda. Councillor Lurbecki. I'd

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like to pull 7. 2 adoption development cost charge expenditure

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by Laufra Parkland Acquisition and 7. 9 development permit for

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BD centre TOD. Okay. Thank you. Um, hang on. Let's

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let me put that down. All right. Councillor Knolls. Uh,

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7. 8 please. 7. 8. Okay. And we'll go. Is

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there somebody else. Had, okay. Okay. That's great. Uh, Councillor

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Dilworth is moving the rest as a block. It's been

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seconded. Um, all in favor. Opposed carried. Thank you very

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much. So we will go to 7. 2 councillor Lurbecki.

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Uh, thank you. I just wanted to pull this because

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I'll be voting against. Do you want to move somebody

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want to move the motion? It's been moved in seconded.

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Um, any conversation. Nope. I'll call the question then all

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in favor. Opposed Councillor Larbecchi as opposed. We'll go to

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Councillor Knowles item, which is item 7. 8. Thank you

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so much. Um, so at our January 13th, 2026 meeting

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and in response to Council's decision to build a temporary

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basketball court at the old fire hell lens. We had

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a speaker come forward at public input that night to

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express this disappointment that there's been little action or progress

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made on the recommendations of two previous parks in rec

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slash environment subcommittee reports struck in 2019 and 2022. Um,

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those subcommittees conducted significant in - depth studies into the

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state of our neighbourhood and community parks. And I remember

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very clearly the report from July 22 because that was

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a member of the Parks and Rec Commission at the

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time it was called, actually as was Councillor Lebecky. And

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we heard the report firsthand and its recommendations. And that

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report was then referred to Council at an meeting that

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shortly followed and asked to consider. Um, as a result

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of the speaker at that January 13th meeting, Councillor Lubick

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moved that staff report on progress and upcoming initiatives on

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neighbourhood park use promotion and enhancement, which was greatly appreciated.

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Um, as of the writing of the 22, 2022 report,

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there were 16 parks in Port Moted classified as neighbourhood.

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This included three newer parks and one newer park that

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had been classified as neighbourhood, but was reclassified as natural

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for net inventory change of two since the 2015 report.

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And as a result of that motion made January 23rd

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to 13, January 13th, we have that report from staff

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tonight. And that is 7. 8 in the item. Here

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that I've pulled. Now the report has a lot of

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great information. And while I appreciate the mini updates that

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provide, I think some members of both council and the

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public were disappointed at the lack of focus on, um,

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neighbourhood and community parks. That it contains. The specific motion,

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again, was report back on progress and upcoming initish on

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neighbourhood park use promotion and enhancement. The current report blends

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in trails larger city community parks like Aspenwood, North Shore,

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old orchard, rocky point, West Hill, et cetera. I think

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what we were looking for was perhaps a dedicated inventory

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of the 13 specific neighbourhood parks. And whether any have

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been added, removed, we classified, et cetera. Not yet inventoried.

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And I believe there are several. So with all that

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said, and I will look to the clerk for assistance

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here. I don't know if I want to oppose the

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recommendation here tonight, which is that this B receiver information.

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Because I would like to move instead that we redirect

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staff to rewrite this report and focus its neighbourhood on

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neighbourhood and community parks on a more wholesome basis with

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consideration of capacity, use, future needs, the needs of seniors

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and other demographic shifts of the residents, living near these

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neighbourhood sites or not, as the case may be the

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2022, um, report identified at least three areas of Port

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Moody that are not serviced by any community or neighbourhood

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parks. And we believe that the oversight and other pertinent

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matters as appropriate. So, um, assuming that this fails, the

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motion, we can receive this, then we cannot give further

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direction. Okay. So my motion then would be that we,

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um, direct staff, um, let's, let's receive this for information.

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That what's being presented and further direct staff. Okay. That's

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fine. So that's fine. I will move that we receive

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this and then would it be a motion rising mayor.

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Yep. Okay. So let's - And I'll do that. Let's

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receive. Um, it's been seconded all in favor. Opposed carried.

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Now Councillor, you have a motion arising? Yes. Um, but

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if I may just continue a little bit, have you

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provided your motion to staff? I have not. I am

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just a little bit winging it. I'm kind of winging

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it here. Thank you. That's okay. Um, yes. And you

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know, I wanted to mention as well, like in 2025,

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we had charted a path forward with a trail network

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plan 30 year trail network plan. And it's, it's a

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great piece of work. Um, staff of denigrate job on

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that and on our larger master plans, um, but I,

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I, I don't think I'm alone in wishing that there

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was, there were more of a focus on neighbourhood parks.

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And those that we visit on a regular basis, we

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want residents to have access to parks within walking distance.

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And that is, as we grow and as generally the

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population increases, it becomes more and more important. And thanks

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Mr. Grassy for sending the Senate a senior's focus committee

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presentation in the spring. He mentioned that, um, our seniors

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population is going to more than double by 2039. Yeah,

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I think Councillor Dilworth is the chair of that committee.

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And, you know, there are policies in place to prioritize

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supporting seniors age. Renting out of your time limit. So

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could you please present your motion? Okay. Thanks. You get

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the gist. Yeah, we get the gist. Okay. Um, I'm

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going to move that we, that stuff, um, return with

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a report specifically on neighbourhood and community parks with consideration

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of capacity, comma, use, comma, future needs, comma, the needs

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of seniors and other demographic shifts of the residents, living

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near neighbourhood and community parks. And I, um, we'll send

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that to the spin seconded. Um, clerk, um, Madam Clerk,

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do you have that? I'm going to send it to

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her right now. Okay. That's great. Thank you so much.

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Thank you. Okay. So that's been moved and seconded. Thank

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Lubeck. Thank you so much. Um, no, I'm really glad

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that we're having this conversation. Sorry Councillor Morrison. You can

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bring back in. Go ahead Councillor. Sorry. Thank you. Um,

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I'm very glad we're having this conversation. I want to

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give, um, a lot of credit and kudos to staff

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for the work that has been done. Like it's an

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incredible amount of work. Um, I think we're hoping in

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addition to that to be looking at the neighbourhood park.

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So I do want to say like what an incredible

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job staff have been doing. I think in addition to

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this, um, what has been shared. And I'll see if

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I have an amendment, but hopefully it'll be a friendly

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one. In that, you know, I think one of the

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things that's important is that neighbourhood parks are very specific.

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To those populations. And obviously neighbourhoods grow and evolve. But

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I'm wondering what our opportunities would be for more neighbourhood

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consultation on what is needed for updating some of those

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neighbourhood parks. Like maybe the opportunity for co - creation.

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With some of the neighbourhoods or even community groups. Oh,

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I think a good place to start is to get

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this information that the Councillor is asking for. Perhaps maybe

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there, we can further delve into how we address the

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needs that get better rise. I think so. I think

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I'd also like to hear, and I'll think about it,

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perhaps it's not needed. Just what are some of our

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opportunities for neighbourhood engagement. Should it be needed? Okay. That's

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a good point, Councillor. Thank you for that. Um, we're

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just waiting for staff to get that up. But is

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that everything? Uh, yes, thank you. Thank you. Um, Councillor

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Dilworth. Thank you. I'm not going to repeat what Councillor

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Knowles said, but I wanted to, first of all, acknowledge

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the tremendous work that our staff have been doing in

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terms of enhancing and looking at maximizing park usage in

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smaller parts throughout the entire community. Uh, I look to

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the tremendous evolution of West Hill Park. I know we've

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been doing pop - up parks that have really, really

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worked. But I don't think that we're fully planning or

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utilising for those parks, um, like Apple Yard, like Foxwood,

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even like Flavello. Um. And I think there's an opportunity

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to do some engagement in those communities and find out

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what we need. And this is, this is not, um,

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a criticism of staff at all. It's just that this

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council has made it a very high level strategic priority

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to look at the assets that we have. And look

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how we can better them for the use of the

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neighbourhoods that they're in. So I do really appreciate the

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information we got now, but I think as a council

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to move forward strategically, we need to drill down a

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little bit more on those park assets that we have

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throughout the community. So I will be supporting the motion.

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Thank you. Thank you so much Councillor. Councillor Agtrapp. Uh,

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thank you. And I won't repeat what has already been

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said. I just had a question through the staff about

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the definition, um, between neighbourhood and community parks. I know

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we have one park named North Shore community park, but

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we seem to, I just wanted to get clarity on

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what we define as neighbourhood versus community. So we go

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to the manager of the community services. Okay. Yep. Go

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ahead. Aaron's there. Yep. So my good, okay. Thanks. Um,

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yeah, through the chair, we have updated the classification system

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as part of the Parkland strategy that came to Council

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last year. So we are now simplifying the terminology in

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terms of active Parkland and natural parkland. And part of

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the thinking behind that was we do have destination parks

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in the system, but they also serve as neighbourhood and

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community parks. It's all in relation to, um, the use

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and access and, you know, as mentioned, proximity. For those

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that are there, uh, in that community. And the amenities

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that are within those parks serve those purposes for those,

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um, populations. So we focused more on access in terms

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of how much, how far people had to walk to

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Access Parkland and looked at gaps and filling those needs

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based on space and amenities. With that lens as opposed

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to getting too focused on the categories, which wasn't, wasn't

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sort of serving us in trying to evaluate need and

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gaps. Okay. Okay. I appreciate that. So basically what I'm

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hearing the neighbourhood and community, there is no difference. It's

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just really, um, we're talking about whether it's active or

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natural and how it's managed. Um, what's the goal of

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ensuring that all the parks are with every household has,

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I think a 400 metre or five minute walk to

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a park. That's a, that's a focus. We again looked

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at the way people access Park. So again, understanding what

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it takes to walk, whether you're crossing major roads or

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overpasses or, you know, what is between you and that

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part. So that was the focus. And again, the amenities

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and the distribution. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Morrison.

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Thank you. And I appreciate my colleague discussion on this

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item. And I do appreciate the report that we received

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as far as, uh, really highlighting some of the things

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that have been done in regards to, um, outdoor spaces,

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whether it be basketball courts or the activation of the

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pop - up barks. Um, especially the Kyle Centre one,

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which has been very, very well received over the last

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few years that I've seen with the mini golf and

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all that happening there. So I do want to give

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credit for the activation of spaces that have been just

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grass, for example, and the ability to do more activities

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on there. But I also appreciate the fact that since

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it has been such a huge priority for us to

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find ways to activate and keep these spaces as really

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community gathering spaces within these neighbourhoods to help relieve pressure

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on some of those other parks and playgrounds specifically, um,

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like Rocky Point Park playground or West Hill Park playground.

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There's only a few playgrounds of that larger size nature

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in the community. I think that we do need to

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look at how and where and what plan timeline we're

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going to be doing certain upgrades and certain neighbourhoods prioritizing

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them, create a roadmap. And then also talk with the

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community about what play structures they want to see when

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we talk about playground specifically. Um, as opposed to just

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perhaps a consultants report on what it might be local

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neighbourhoods might and parents might have a big input on

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what they want to see. They'll know their kids and

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what they want to play with. And kids will know

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what they want to play with as well. And I

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think we can really dive in a little deeper on

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those particular things in those neighbourhood parks. So, um, I

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am supportive of this motion to get more information. And

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I look forward to the discussion whether it happens to

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be before this term is up or into the next

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term on prioritizing those neighbourhood parks to relieve pressure from

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the big ones as well as make it a little

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more enjoyable for people to stay close to home in

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their own neighbourhoods. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Councillor Lurbecki.

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Thank you. So, um, my understanding is Council already gay

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direction. We received a report back. And what I'm hearing

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at the table here is that the desire for additional

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information from what we received back. So, so now I'm

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looking at this motion and I'm trying to understand what

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we're going to get back. Um, and maybe this is

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a question through the staff. If this is clear enough,

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so I understand, you know, that focuses on neighbourhood and

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community parks with consideration of capacity use future needs proxy

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me to homes. And it goes on. But I think

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what's missing from this motion is like, what is the

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goal or the vision or the lens through which we

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are directing staffed undertake this work? I know we've our

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parkland strategy, but I'm just a bit worried that this

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is so broad. I'm not sure what we're going to

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get back and how we'll make sure that's meeting our

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needs as well. Again, if we want to layering community

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engagement on that, I thought could be the missing piece

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here in terms of understanding what those needs are at

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those community parks. I'm not so sure that this will

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necessarily give the information that council is seeking if that's

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what I'm hearing. So through the staff, could you comment

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on if this is clear, if additional direction around, um,

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undertaking engagement that the neighbourhood level around parks, do we

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already have a really good idea of all of these

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tiny little neighbourhood parks that we have and how we're

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going to activate them. We just haven't written it down

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yet. Just through to staff, I want to make sure

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that the directions crystal clear. So, you know, we're not

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kind of back here again. So the question is with

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this direction, do you have a clear idea of what

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the motion is asking for. I would say we could

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use a little, a little more clarity perhaps, but I

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think that we could, um, start the process with what

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we presented as part of the Parkland strategy, which sort

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of mapped out each neighbourhood and what those existing amenities

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are as a starting point, uh, collate that with, um,

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engagement that we've done connected to a number of different

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strategies, including recreation facilities work as well as, you know,

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trails and other things. And bring back a bit of

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a picture in terms of where we're seeing our gaps,

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um, and what we've heard back to date and maybe

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outline with. I think that's what the Councillors are. Future

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work should focus. So. I think what we'll get back

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here, I think this is going to be a multi

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- stage, multi - step conversation is what I think

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was missing from this motion is a descriptor such as

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to activate or to blank. Um, this is information we

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can get back, but it's really missing the direction of

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Council in terms of what is our goal. If our

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goal is to activate these spaces, is it to make

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them for, for children, for seniors, or are we still

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asking, I guess, to figure that out to begin with.

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I think this is multi - layered. So I just

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wanted to point that out that this is very broad.

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So that's what they're working. You're right. It is going

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to be multi - staged because once we get that

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information, then we'll have to give further direction. But I

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think the city manager, um, wants to add in. Yeah.

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Thank you. Provide a comment. Thank you Mayor. I was

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just going to note, um, as Ms. Embley said, I

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think this is clear direction for staff. I did want

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to flag that, um, the needs of seniors and demographic

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shifts of the residents living near neighbourhood sites. That could

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be quite a bit of analysis and data collection. So

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I think our next touch point would be, because this

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is new work. It would go on to the intake

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list. We would come back with a report that may

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be in September it might be after. And then we'd

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start mapping out the layers that you're speaking to. And

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then we can also get a touch point with Council

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if that's on the right track is that the desired

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outcome. Okay. Thank you for that. I just want to

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point out that, you know, I appreciate this report. And

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I think given the direction that's been given, it's meeting,

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you know, the initial level of needs. And then we're

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continuing on this conversation, recognising that I do think the

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ASCAR is very broad. So it's going to be narrowed

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in scope as it keeps coming back to council unless

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something that I'm comfortable with to get to the root

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of what we're trying to achieve. So thank you. Thank

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you. Yeah. I agree with that. Um, Councillor, Councillor Knowles,

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you've already spoken Councillor Agrac, have you spoken to this

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item? Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Councillor Noels. Yeah. I just

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wanted to kind of respond to that because I mean,

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Councillor Libec is right. I think, um, from my perspective,

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and this is just a general direction to staff. You

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know, that 2022 report pointed out two underserved areas. And

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I think I've been wondering since that report, are those

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neighbourhoods actually underserved? So like an answer to those questions

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would be great. But the other, um, public engagement, I

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think it would be great for people in, if we

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could fold an opportunity for public engagement into, um, this

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neighbourhood work, because I would love to know which people

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feel like they don't have a neighbourhood park nearby. I

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think staff, when they come back with their, uh, project

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sort of proposal that will be, uh, that should be

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included in there. Those types of, um, opportunities. Thank you.

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Councillor Ag Toro. Thank you. I was just going to

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add that. I think this is, is kind of like

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a gap analysis taking the work that we've already done.

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And, you know, recognising that there has been significant work

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done on the parkland strategy. There's also, um, I think

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others mentioned some other reports that have been done. And

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it's really bringing that all together in one sort of,

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um, like merging that all and delivering it in an

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informational packet that is more, um, easily accessible. And so

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that we can really get down to, are there gap?

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Yeah. Yeah. Are there gaps existing and what, what decisions

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does Council need to make to fill those gaps? Yeah.

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Thank you. Thank you. City manager is going to wrap

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this one up. Thank you Mayor. I was just going

466
00:30:42,414 --> 00:30:44,634
to note it would help staff. And I think for

467
00:30:44,634 --> 00:30:47,534
clarity in the motion arising, if I'm able to suggest

468
00:30:47,574 --> 00:30:50,254
that just picking up on Councillor Lubick's comments and the

469
00:30:50,294 --> 00:30:54,094
Council Dialogue, if it actually also said and explore opportunities

470
00:30:54,115 --> 00:30:58,494
for neighbourhood engagement, okay. Yeah. Um, would that be okay

471
00:30:58,675 --> 00:31:01,454
if we add that in? I'll move that, um, amendment.

472
00:31:03,709 --> 00:31:06,168
I'll call the question on that all in favor. I'll

473
00:31:06,168 --> 00:31:07,688
just carry it. So we're incorporating that right into it

474
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:10,808
so that that comes back with those opportunities. Yeah. Thank

475
00:31:10,808 --> 00:31:14,088
you again. I think that that's been made very clear

476
00:31:14,189 --> 00:31:17,208
tonight that Council really appreciated the work that was done

477
00:31:17,709 --> 00:31:19,688
to date on this. And we're, we're just wanting to

478
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:25,048
further delve into that, uh, into those neighbourhood parks and

479
00:31:25,048 --> 00:31:28,088
figure out exactly where we need to make improvements and

480
00:31:28,269 --> 00:31:30,728
where the gaps are. So thank you. Um, I'll call

481
00:31:30,728 --> 00:31:33,356
the question on the amended motion all in favor. Opposed

482
00:31:33,697 --> 00:31:36,316
carried unanimously. Thank you so much, which brings us to

483
00:31:36,657 --> 00:31:46,490
item 7. 9, which is Councillor Lerbecky. Oh, I'm

484
00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:49,450
sorry. Go ahead. There we go. Um, so I pulled

485
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:51,610
this pillar will not be supporting this. This is the

486
00:31:51,871 --> 00:31:55,850
development permit for BD development in Moody Centre, which is

487
00:31:55,951 --> 00:31:58,570
three towers up to 38 stories. Part of the 14

488
00:31:58,911 --> 00:32:01,210
tower plan framework call it what you will for the

489
00:32:01,231 --> 00:32:04,970
area. Um, reaching up to 40 stories. I am speaking

490
00:32:05,231 --> 00:32:07,530
to so many people in the community every single day

491
00:32:08,271 --> 00:32:11,610
and trying to find, um, majority support for the plan

492
00:32:12,031 --> 00:32:15,610
and moody centre is very, I'm not, I'm not finding

493
00:32:15,650 --> 00:32:18,970
it. So I can't be sporting this. I know that,

494
00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:21,530
you know, by the time we're getting to development permit,

495
00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:23,290
it seems like it's far down the road. I do

496
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:26,330
have concern when we put something like this on consent,

497
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:31,290
uh, this is still the largest tallest, most dense tower

498
00:32:31,290 --> 00:32:33,610
development in that area that we've seen. And it's on

499
00:32:33,650 --> 00:32:36,890
consent. I would have liked to actually seen it again

500
00:32:36,991 --> 00:32:41,130
and talked about it again. Um, I don't think that

501
00:32:41,151 --> 00:32:44,650
that's the right future for our city. And that's why

502
00:32:44,751 --> 00:32:46,970
I've pulled it. And I will not be supporting this

503
00:32:47,071 --> 00:32:51,030
tonight. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Dilworth. Do you

504
00:32:51,030 --> 00:32:52,810
know what I can see why some people might be

505
00:32:52,911 --> 00:32:56,410
confused about this being on the consent agenda, but I

506
00:32:56,410 --> 00:32:59,130
could through the staff get an explanation of exactly what

507
00:32:59,231 --> 00:33:03,410
this is because this is not final development permit. Go

508
00:33:03,410 --> 00:33:06,410
put shovels and ground at all. So if we can,

509
00:33:06,450 --> 00:33:09,370
I guess back through to Ms. Smith clarify exactly what

510
00:33:09,471 --> 00:33:11,850
this motion is. Oh, I see Mr. Wu coming up.

511
00:33:12,266 --> 00:33:21,004
Oh, okay. Go ahead, Mr. Wu. Yeah.

512
00:33:22,017 --> 00:33:24,476
Excuse me. Through the chair, this is a development permit

513
00:33:24,516 --> 00:33:29,356
for, um, B's development project in Moody Centre. And to

514
00:33:29,356 --> 00:33:34,716
answer the Councillor's question, it allows the developer to go

515
00:33:34,817 --> 00:33:37,436
forward with their project, uh, to the next stage, which

516
00:33:37,436 --> 00:33:40,556
would be to apply for a building permit and building

517
00:33:40,596 --> 00:33:45,740
permit for, um, foundation work and above groundworks. Great. Thank

518
00:33:45,740 --> 00:33:48,140
you. I was wondering people to know that this wasn't

519
00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:53,853
the final approval. Thank you. Councillor Lubick. Thank you so

520
00:33:53,853 --> 00:33:56,133
much. Uh, actually just had a couple of questions. So

521
00:33:56,434 --> 00:33:59,133
it was handy. Um, one of the questions that I

522
00:33:59,173 --> 00:34:02,653
had was, you know, I appreciated that the geotechnical report

523
00:34:02,674 --> 00:34:06,493
was very long and detailed. Um, and so I just

524
00:34:06,514 --> 00:34:10,253
wondered, um, you know, I know they're concerned sometimes around,

525
00:34:10,253 --> 00:34:14,053
um, you know, soil stability and things like that. So

526
00:34:14,194 --> 00:34:16,573
I was wondering if staff could just briefly touch on

527
00:34:16,674 --> 00:34:21,273
some of the, um, requirements for mitigation of that, um,

528
00:34:21,474 --> 00:34:24,333
also what our monitoring looks like during the construction process,

529
00:34:24,333 --> 00:34:30,063
whenever that happens. Through staff. Go ahead. Yeah. Through the

530
00:34:30,063 --> 00:34:32,803
chair, the development permit, we have, um, we have a

531
00:34:32,803 --> 00:34:35,583
development one is reform and character. So that allows, you

532
00:34:35,583 --> 00:34:38,243
know, development of the three buildings. And as the Councillor

533
00:34:38,283 --> 00:34:40,723
mentioned another development permit for hazardous land. So this is

534
00:34:40,723 --> 00:34:44,003
due to the potential of so liquefaction similar to much

535
00:34:44,043 --> 00:34:47,843
of the soils in Moody Centre, uh, it's not great.

536
00:34:47,843 --> 00:34:51,203
Um, but, you know, with through like mitigations, um, measures

537
00:34:53,464 --> 00:34:57,123
the land can be used safely and build safely on.

538
00:34:57,144 --> 00:34:58,963
In this case, the city is in receipt of a

539
00:34:59,064 --> 00:35:02,483
geotechnical report, which is also attached to the development permit.

540
00:35:02,483 --> 00:35:05,123
A number of recommendations were made by the geotechnical engineer

541
00:35:05,163 --> 00:35:10,723
on record regarding site preparation, groundwater cutoff, building foundation, slap

542
00:35:10,744 --> 00:35:13,763
on grade floors, site and foundation drainage systems and seismic

543
00:35:13,944 --> 00:35:18,143
design. So prior to construction, the engineer on record, um,

544
00:35:21,464 --> 00:35:24,403
the engineer would also be required to install the monitoring

545
00:35:24,424 --> 00:35:28,403
systems throughout the construction process. So, uh, in this case,

546
00:35:28,403 --> 00:35:31,123
it's the engineer on record that is doing the monitoring

547
00:35:31,224 --> 00:35:33,763
and not city staff in this case. But throughout the

548
00:35:33,803 --> 00:35:37,203
process, I believe city staff are notified on reports of

549
00:35:37,203 --> 00:35:42,575
the monitoring in place. That's great. Thank you so much.

550
00:35:43,076 --> 00:35:45,215
Um, I just have a few more questions. Uh, one

551
00:35:45,236 --> 00:35:48,102
is. You know, I know one of the concerns, this

552
00:35:48,102 --> 00:35:51,622
is not development related issue, but one of the concerns

553
00:35:51,662 --> 00:35:55,462
that I hear from folks is, you know, whether the

554
00:35:55,483 --> 00:35:58,422
number of jobs that this development would create. And I'm

555
00:35:58,422 --> 00:36:01,382
just wondering if staff can remind us how many jobs,

556
00:36:01,382 --> 00:36:05,790
um, this development would create versus what's going on. Three

557
00:36:05,811 --> 00:36:09,700
stuff. Yep. Through the chair, the commercial space plan for

558
00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:12,340
the project has a minimum of about 6, 300 square

559
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:15,700
metres, which is about 68, 000 square feet, including retail

560
00:36:16,121 --> 00:36:19,380
office, um, a large child care facility. And so these

561
00:36:19,561 --> 00:36:23,780
uses altogether would add up to approximately 520 to 555

562
00:36:23,801 --> 00:36:28,300
jobs. Great. Thank you. And my last question is would

563
00:36:28,340 --> 00:36:30,620
you be able to just talk to, you know, this

564
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:35,420
is the CD 94 space. So this is the towers.

565
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:40,620
That's connected to the CB95, which is the supportive housing.

566
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:42,300
And I know that's something that everyone cares very much

567
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:45,500
about. I know there are many details. But, um, I'm

568
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:46,860
just wondering if you could talk a little bit about

569
00:36:47,041 --> 00:36:50,860
how those two development permits work together at this stage.

570
00:36:52,249 --> 00:36:54,708
Yeah. So it's through the chair. It staffs understanding that

571
00:36:54,809 --> 00:36:59,748
the applicant is currently and actively finalising the broader funding

572
00:36:59,748 --> 00:37:03,188
framework with BC housing and its provincial partners. Um, and

573
00:37:03,188 --> 00:37:05,268
staff's conversations with the developer, it should be noted that

574
00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:08,948
there is still dedicated to providing this affordable housing facility

575
00:37:09,049 --> 00:37:11,668
in Port Moody and are working diligently to ensure that

576
00:37:11,689 --> 00:37:14,788
the project's long - term financial viability and the developers

577
00:37:14,828 --> 00:37:17,588
looking forward to continuing, um, the partnership with the city

578
00:37:17,628 --> 00:37:20,188
to navigate these next steps. Um, it is kind of

579
00:37:20,188 --> 00:37:22,708
challenging right now, but I will also note that as

580
00:37:22,729 --> 00:37:25,748
part of the development agreement that was registered on title

581
00:37:25,769 --> 00:37:30,068
as part of the rezoning application, um, the, uh, sorry,

582
00:37:30,108 --> 00:37:32,788
a housing agreement by law is required to come forward

583
00:37:32,969 --> 00:37:37,428
to Council and to be adopted prior to any superstructure

584
00:37:37,609 --> 00:37:42,228
building permit issuance. So prior to issuance before the towers

585
00:37:42,268 --> 00:37:46,148
are built, um, the city or the applicant or the

586
00:37:46,188 --> 00:37:48,068
developer in this case is required to have a housing

587
00:37:48,089 --> 00:37:52,083
agreement in place required to be approved by Council. Fantastic.

588
00:37:52,083 --> 00:37:54,003
So nothing about what we're passing tonight to make something

589
00:37:54,043 --> 00:37:57,158
changes to that. No. Thank you. I just thought it

590
00:37:57,179 --> 00:37:58,918
would be important for the public to hear. Yeah. Thank

591
00:37:58,918 --> 00:38:01,398
you so much. Um, I just want to clarify a

592
00:38:01,398 --> 00:38:04,918
couple of things. Like Council has given final approval to

593
00:38:06,059 --> 00:38:09,773
this application. This is the next step. Which is building,

594
00:38:09,773 --> 00:38:11,453
uh, sorry, which is development permit. And then the next

595
00:38:11,474 --> 00:38:14,493
step after that is the building permit. Um, so just

596
00:38:14,674 --> 00:38:17,053
to, just for clarity on that. But I, you know,

597
00:38:17,234 --> 00:38:20,573
there's, I appreciate Councillor Lubick bringing up the jobs that

598
00:38:20,754 --> 00:38:24,173
it's creating 555 jobs is not insignificant. And it is

599
00:38:24,213 --> 00:38:28,413
actually quite a significant increase to what exists there today.

600
00:38:28,413 --> 00:38:33,373
Um, and in addition, we've been hearing about, um, we've

601
00:38:33,373 --> 00:38:38,093
been hearing and getting, you know, sort of feedback about,

602
00:38:38,114 --> 00:38:41,533
about this application and about the fact that this isn't,

603
00:38:41,533 --> 00:38:44,973
uh, this is not providing enough, um, two or three

604
00:38:44,994 --> 00:38:48,653
bedroom homes. I want to just make it very clear

605
00:38:49,394 --> 00:38:53,453
on this development. Almost half of the units that are

606
00:38:53,453 --> 00:38:56,578
being proposed are two and three bedroom. And they are

607
00:38:56,599 --> 00:39:02,978
all above, um, they all exceed the required minimum FSR.

608
00:39:02,978 --> 00:39:06,478
So these are all good size units and a lot

609
00:39:06,478 --> 00:39:09,458
of them are designed for families and designed for people

610
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:14,658
for multiple bedrooms. So that's important information. These are not,

611
00:39:14,658 --> 00:39:17,058
um, you know, these, these are not what is being

612
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:20,898
characterized by some. And, you know, I think, I think

613
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:27,058
it's important and it's also, um, a sign that the

614
00:39:27,058 --> 00:39:30,178
proponent that's bringing these forward is really, has really put

615
00:39:30,178 --> 00:39:32,018
a lot of thought into it. The other important aspect

616
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:35,778
of this is, and I think we're sharing is the,

617
00:39:35,778 --> 00:39:38,898
uh, the way that these, um, that this development has

618
00:39:38,898 --> 00:39:41,778
been planned has been planned in a way that it

619
00:39:41,818 --> 00:39:46,658
can be flexible around market needs. So if there is

620
00:39:46,919 --> 00:39:50,258
a desire for more of one type of unit versus

621
00:39:50,359 --> 00:39:53,098
another, they have the ability to make those changes. So

622
00:39:53,098 --> 00:39:55,058
I think that that was one of the selling features

623
00:39:55,098 --> 00:39:59,058
for me at least. And in approving this application. All

624
00:39:59,058 --> 00:40:02,917
right. So it's been, has it been moved. Uh, no.

625
00:40:02,917 --> 00:40:06,757
Okay. Moved and seconded. I will call the question then

626
00:40:06,778 --> 00:40:12,067
all in favor. Opposed Councillor Labecky as opposed. Thank you.

627
00:40:12,067 --> 00:40:16,707
That brings us through the end of the consent agenda.

628
00:40:16,707 --> 00:40:20,747
Um, so we will now go to new business. So

629
00:40:20,747 --> 00:40:23,347
we have the first item, which is 205 Mount Royal,

630
00:40:23,347 --> 00:40:28,760
which is a development variance permit. There's a recommendation. Oh,

631
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,680
and before we get to that, um, this is, we

632
00:40:32,781 --> 00:40:37,560
have an opportunity for public input on this specific item.

633
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,200
And I will. And we also have a presentation. So

634
00:40:41,261 --> 00:40:44,440
we'll have the presentation first, Madam Clerk. And then we

635
00:40:44,461 --> 00:40:47,480
will, um, invite anyone in the public who has an

636
00:40:47,501 --> 00:40:50,760
interest in this specific application to come forward and provide

637
00:40:50,861 --> 00:40:57,214
comment if they wish. All right. Um, go ahead. Good

638
00:40:57,214 --> 00:41:02,014
evening. Um, I'll be presenting the development variance permit at

639
00:41:02,054 --> 00:41:11,776
205 Mount Royal Drive. Yeah. Sorry.

640
00:41:11,877 --> 00:41:15,475
Just an issue here. With there we go. Um, so

641
00:41:15,896 --> 00:41:20,435
in July 2025, the applicant had applied for a minor

642
00:41:20,616 --> 00:41:23,395
DP air minor development permit for a four unit small

643
00:41:23,416 --> 00:41:28,570
scale. Multi - using housing development, a schmoo. Today we're

644
00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:35,930
asking for Council's consideration of development variants permit DVP0036 for

645
00:41:36,031 --> 00:41:39,770
two setbacks. Um, after Council consideration, the next steps for

646
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:43,130
the applicant would include further refinement of the minor DP

647
00:41:43,391 --> 00:41:50,930
and eventually moving on to building permit. The subject property

648
00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:54,110
is located in the sea view neighbourhood. As you can

649
00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:57,010
see, it's boarded here by Mount Royal to the north.

650
00:41:58,645 --> 00:42:01,264
Gross Lane to the east and veterane to the south.

651
00:42:03,427 --> 00:42:07,806
The OCP designation is for low density residential and its

652
00:42:07,907 --> 00:42:15,371
zone semi detached residential RT. There is a class C

653
00:42:15,552 --> 00:42:18,832
water course or a ditch. Located adjacent to the property

654
00:42:18,933 --> 00:42:22,832
running parallel with the Eastern property line, long gross lane.

655
00:42:23,921 --> 00:42:27,260
The city zoning bylaw requires a five metre setback measured

656
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:35,392
from top bank for all classy water courses. During the

657
00:42:35,493 --> 00:42:38,272
site planning for the four unit schmoo, the applicant felt

658
00:42:38,312 --> 00:42:43,472
that the required setbacks provided significant challenges for their site

659
00:42:43,472 --> 00:42:46,432
planning and what they were trying to achieve. In turn,

660
00:42:46,432 --> 00:42:49,872
the applicant is proposing a reduction to the riparian protection.

661
00:42:51,251 --> 00:42:55,537
And enhancement area. And the interior lot line setback. So

662
00:42:55,558 --> 00:42:59,297
as you see in the table, the RPEA requires five

663
00:42:59,337 --> 00:43:02,657
metres as per zoning bylaw. The applicant is proposing 2.

664
00:43:02,678 --> 00:43:06,648
2 metres, which is a variance of 2. 8. Additionally,

665
00:43:06,669 --> 00:43:10,088
the interior side lot line requires a 1. 5 metre

666
00:43:10,349 --> 00:43:14,168
setback. The applicant is proposing 1. 2 metres with a

667
00:43:14,168 --> 00:43:21,780
variance of 0. 3 metres. The sight plan you see

668
00:43:21,820 --> 00:43:24,820
it in front of you illustrates the requested variances against

669
00:43:24,841 --> 00:43:28,580
the proposed schmoo sighting for two duplex buildings in a

670
00:43:28,580 --> 00:43:33,757
garage structure. The thick blue line at the bottom would

671
00:43:33,797 --> 00:43:37,917
be the ditch location. The thin blue line is the

672
00:43:37,938 --> 00:43:41,112
top of bank. The green dotted line would be the

673
00:43:41,213 --> 00:43:45,370
required setbacks. And the red dotted line is the proposed

674
00:43:45,551 --> 00:43:50,654
setback. It should be noted the applicant is respecting an

675
00:43:50,654 --> 00:43:54,334
additional 1. 2 metre buffer between the building and the

676
00:43:54,355 --> 00:43:58,414
proposed RPEA setback to allow for construction maintenance of the

677
00:43:58,515 --> 00:44:07,230
buildings and access without disrupting the RPEA. A restoration plan

678
00:44:07,411 --> 00:44:11,950
has been prepared by the applicant's QEP, which includes protection

679
00:44:12,131 --> 00:44:16,750
fencing and shrub planting. The restoration plan's been reviewed by

680
00:44:17,091 --> 00:44:22,977
staff and staff is satisfied with what's being provided. And

681
00:44:22,977 --> 00:44:25,777
that would conclude the presentation. Staff is satisfied with the

682
00:44:26,118 --> 00:44:29,617
respiration plan. They're satisfied with a variance. They think that

683
00:44:29,657 --> 00:44:34,337
that's an acceptable variance. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much.

684
00:44:34,358 --> 00:44:39,381
Councillor Knowles. Uh, I will move the recommendation. It's been

685
00:44:39,381 --> 00:44:44,181
moved. Oh, before we're just going to use this opportunity

686
00:44:44,602 --> 00:44:49,881
to ask any questions of staff. No. Okay. And public

687
00:44:49,902 --> 00:44:52,601
input of the Councillor Labecki. Did you have a question

688
00:44:52,622 --> 00:44:55,481
of staff? I did. Um, do we know the size

689
00:44:55,481 --> 00:45:01,901
of these units? Did you say. The final site design

690
00:45:02,082 --> 00:45:06,121
is still being refined through the minor DP process. But

691
00:45:06,121 --> 00:45:11,981
with the variants, uh, they could have, and the permitted

692
00:45:12,002 --> 00:45:14,941
FAR for the zone of 0. 8. They could have

693
00:45:14,941 --> 00:45:18,461
up to 6, 100 square feet across the four units.

694
00:45:19,594 --> 00:45:24,853
And without the variance, they would be allowed up to

695
00:45:25,274 --> 00:45:29,035
4, 900 square feet across the four units. Another question

696
00:45:29,056 --> 00:45:33,675
through the staff. If we do not grant the variance,

697
00:45:33,776 --> 00:45:38,715
my understanding is that the lot in titlement exists. However,

698
00:45:38,715 --> 00:45:42,235
it has to fall within our regulations and requirements as

699
00:45:42,275 --> 00:45:44,395
a city. So if we were to not grant this

700
00:45:44,496 --> 00:45:48,635
variance, would the applicant then simply have to figure out

701
00:45:48,656 --> 00:45:51,655
how to bring something forward, whether that's three units, um,

702
00:45:51,655 --> 00:45:55,515
for example, that did follow our rules and requirements under

703
00:45:55,536 --> 00:45:58,315
the zoning. Is that correct? Through the chair, yes, that's

704
00:45:58,315 --> 00:46:02,635
correct. If the variance wasn't granted, um, the applicant would

705
00:46:02,635 --> 00:46:05,515
need to relook their site design as to how they

706
00:46:06,096 --> 00:46:08,635
want to propose their schmoo. Okay. Thank you. I'll leave

707
00:46:08,675 --> 00:46:10,715
it there and leave my comments till after Republican put.

708
00:46:11,653 --> 00:46:16,772
Okay. Thank you. Councillor Agtrap question for staff? Yes. Thank

709
00:46:16,772 --> 00:46:19,572
you. Can you repeat, um, what the size would be

710
00:46:19,612 --> 00:46:23,860
if they had, if variants weren't granted. Sure. Yes. Through

711
00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:29,740
the chair, um, this would be an approximate measure. So

712
00:46:30,041 --> 00:46:34,580
sorry, without the variance, it would be 4, 900 square

713
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:38,509
feet across the four units. Okay. Thank you. And with

714
00:46:38,509 --> 00:46:45,088
it, it's 6, 000 hundred. Yeah. Thank you. Approximate. Okay.

715
00:46:45,991 --> 00:46:49,010
Uh, Councillor Morrison, question for staff? Yes, it is. Go

716
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:54,050
ahead. Uh, besides the, uh, environmental setback variants that we're

717
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:56,130
talking about right now, does it meet all other requirements

718
00:46:56,151 --> 00:47:01,010
of the schmu, um, setbacks from all the other lines,

719
00:47:01,010 --> 00:47:04,381
et cetera, and would comply in every other way. Do

720
00:47:04,381 --> 00:47:08,221
the chair. So this would be specific to the zoning

721
00:47:08,482 --> 00:47:11,581
bylaw. Any of the schmoo requirements would be for the

722
00:47:11,621 --> 00:47:17,341
review doing the minor DP process. So their occurring concurrently,

723
00:47:17,341 --> 00:47:18,941
but, uh, the minor DP would need to be for

724
00:47:18,981 --> 00:47:21,581
the refined once the applicant has for the direction regarding

725
00:47:21,922 --> 00:47:26,342
the setback variances. So the answer to that question is

726
00:47:26,382 --> 00:47:31,779
you're not sure. Well, sorry. The question is, are there

727
00:47:31,779 --> 00:47:35,379
any other variances or any other, um, is the, is

728
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,459
the proposal asking to go outside of the scope of

729
00:47:37,499 --> 00:47:41,614
what we have as our schmug guidelines. Other than the

730
00:47:41,635 --> 00:47:49,109
variants. So the schmo get, no, just, pardon me, just

731
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:52,629
the setbacks. Oh, I'll let Ms. Smith answer, perhaps maybe.

732
00:47:53,253 --> 00:47:56,032
Go ahead, Ms. Smith. Yes. Uh, thank you, three worship.

733
00:47:56,032 --> 00:47:58,752
Um, so in this case, it's been given a high

734
00:47:58,792 --> 00:48:00,832
level review. So in terms of set facts and so

735
00:48:00,832 --> 00:48:04,272
forth, all the big moves, uh, this has been identified,

736
00:48:04,272 --> 00:48:06,192
or these have been identified as the two variances that

737
00:48:06,213 --> 00:48:10,192
would be required. I think, um, what, uh, what the

738
00:48:10,192 --> 00:48:12,332
staff member is referring to is more, the, you know,

739
00:48:12,332 --> 00:48:14,912
building code review. There's more minor tweaks that may need

740
00:48:14,912 --> 00:48:16,812
to happen. But in terms of the big moves, the

741
00:48:16,812 --> 00:48:19,312
big pieces, this is what has been identified. I guess

742
00:48:19,413 --> 00:48:24,272
the question is, other than the variants, does this meet

743
00:48:24,533 --> 00:48:29,548
our schmo requirements. It within our own, within our own,

744
00:48:29,548 --> 00:48:35,589
um. Within our, within our own guidelines. Through the chair,

745
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:37,429
my understanding is, yes, we would have done a complete

746
00:48:37,429 --> 00:48:39,429
zoning review. Okay. So it should be more only more

747
00:48:39,450 --> 00:48:42,469
minor building code type issues. Perfect. So in other words,

748
00:48:42,509 --> 00:48:45,989
without answering, yes category C water course. It would be

749
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:48,549
in compliance with the schmo guidelines for a four units

750
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:51,189
on this size of property. It's basically what I'm trying

751
00:48:51,189 --> 00:48:53,429
to get at. So, okay. Thank you very much. I

752
00:48:53,450 --> 00:48:57,012
appreciate that confirmation. Thank you. I don't see any other.

753
00:49:00,042 --> 00:49:03,156
You want to, you put your. Okay. I don't see

754
00:49:03,177 --> 00:49:04,916
any other hands up. So thank you very much for

755
00:49:04,956 --> 00:49:08,115
that. Um, at this point I'm going to open it

756
00:49:08,155 --> 00:49:10,835
up for public for any member of the public who

757
00:49:10,856 --> 00:49:13,795
feels that they want to weigh in or comment on

758
00:49:13,835 --> 00:49:17,960
this application. And if you're online, please use the raised

759
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,514
hand function. I'll call a second time. Is there anybody

760
00:49:22,514 --> 00:49:27,731
who wishes to address counsel with regards to this. A

761
00:49:27,731 --> 00:49:31,975
third and final time. Seeing none, then we will close

762
00:49:31,996 --> 00:49:35,095
the public input and we will move to, uh, Council

763
00:49:35,116 --> 00:49:41,470
Comets. Councillor Knowles. I will remove the recommendation. Thank you.

764
00:49:41,731 --> 00:49:46,670
Thank you. Um, is there a seconder. Okay. Thank you.

765
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:48,830
So, um, I just wanted to say that I appreciated

766
00:49:48,931 --> 00:49:51,950
the, um, the report from staff on this. I actually

767
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:54,510
know this property quite well. I've driven through this neighbourhood

768
00:49:55,091 --> 00:49:58,750
trillion times over the years. Um, so I did a

769
00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:01,390
little site visit today of my own. And, um, and

770
00:50:01,411 --> 00:50:04,350
was, was quite satisfied that staff's recommendation makes sense to

771
00:50:04,350 --> 00:50:08,409
me. Yeah. The ditches, I mean, you wouldn't even know

772
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:11,449
it was there. So, um, I think for the, for

773
00:50:11,470 --> 00:50:13,849
the benefits that are going to come to this development

774
00:50:13,870 --> 00:50:17,449
in terms of size for the four units, um, and

775
00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:21,849
the fact that, um, this neighbourhood, we're seeing more of

776
00:50:21,849 --> 00:50:23,369
these in this neighbourhood. And I don't think it's going

777
00:50:23,369 --> 00:50:25,529
to be out of place. Uh, I'm happy to support

778
00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:31,374
this one. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Lerbecki. Thank

779
00:50:31,374 --> 00:50:33,214
you. Actually, if it's okay. So I have one more

780
00:50:33,254 --> 00:50:37,294
question for staff. Um, if I answer how much yard

781
00:50:37,294 --> 00:50:40,414
space is there. If you have kids living in this

782
00:50:40,414 --> 00:50:42,734
unit, how big is the yard for them to play

783
00:50:42,734 --> 00:50:48,244
in. Through the chair, the final sight planning still needs

784
00:50:48,244 --> 00:50:53,524
to be, um, refined. But, uh, the schmo requirements require

785
00:50:53,564 --> 00:50:56,804
a minimum of 10 metres squared for all, uh, individual

786
00:50:56,825 --> 00:51:01,998
units. So they would still have to comply with our

787
00:51:02,019 --> 00:51:08,499
regulations around what the green space requirement was. Okay. Um,

788
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:15,048
10 metres squared. Interesting. So we hear a lot about

789
00:51:15,088 --> 00:51:17,266
the provincial legislation at this table. And this is an

790
00:51:17,266 --> 00:51:21,864
example where the decision sits with council. And my strong

791
00:51:21,965 --> 00:51:27,304
view is if we want to, um, given this legislation

792
00:51:27,325 --> 00:51:29,784
is overlaid now in our single family lots. If we

793
00:51:30,285 --> 00:51:33,304
view our entire city with this potential, that is where

794
00:51:33,344 --> 00:51:39,114
I get very uncomfortable with approving variances like this. Because

795
00:51:39,154 --> 00:51:41,714
I don't think that setting a very good precedent. I

796
00:51:41,714 --> 00:51:44,874
think if we, um, want to point fingers on legislation,

797
00:51:44,874 --> 00:51:46,874
we claim that we have all these issues with. Then

798
00:51:46,874 --> 00:51:48,554
when we do have control, we should take back control

799
00:51:48,655 --> 00:51:51,034
of what we do. And my strong view is if

800
00:51:51,074 --> 00:51:54,474
you're not following our variances, that you should build less

801
00:51:54,495 --> 00:51:57,674
units or come back with a plan that follows our

802
00:51:57,714 --> 00:52:00,825
rules. They're there for a reason. I don't think we

803
00:52:00,825 --> 00:52:03,785
can be granting variances across every schmu application that comes

804
00:52:03,785 --> 00:52:07,785
our way. Um, I feel very strongly about that. Just

805
00:52:07,785 --> 00:52:10,825
because something has a word duplex beside it or townhome.

806
00:52:10,825 --> 00:52:12,965
That's definitely the housing I want to see built. But

807
00:52:12,965 --> 00:52:14,825
I'm not going to raise my hand in approval for

808
00:52:14,865 --> 00:52:19,865
anything. And, and for me as a councillor, it's been

809
00:52:19,905 --> 00:52:23,545
pretty consistent. If my support is to be provided for

810
00:52:23,646 --> 00:52:27,305
development applications, if our rules and our expectations are fully

811
00:52:27,406 --> 00:52:30,505
followed, chances are you'll get my support. So I'm not

812
00:52:30,545 --> 00:52:33,145
going to be supporting this variance. I think that the

813
00:52:33,726 --> 00:52:38,505
SEPAC should be not halved. The side going down to,

814
00:52:38,505 --> 00:52:41,625
you know, variants of down to 1. 2. So I

815
00:52:41,625 --> 00:52:45,909
won't be supporting this. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor

816
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:50,069
Agtarot. Thank you. Um, one more question for staff on

817
00:52:50,109 --> 00:52:51,989
final question. If there was no ditch with this project

818
00:52:52,330 --> 00:52:56,878
need variances. Through the chair, if there was no ditch,

819
00:52:56,878 --> 00:53:01,438
then, um, the applicant would have the full space to

820
00:53:01,939 --> 00:53:04,558
develop on. Okay. So I think that, thank you. I

821
00:53:04,558 --> 00:53:07,318
think, um, for me, because it's, it's a ditch. It

822
00:53:07,318 --> 00:53:10,478
doesn't have any aquatic life. It's, it's simply for stormwater

823
00:53:10,478 --> 00:53:17,598
conveyance. Um, to, um, require, um, full setbacks from this

824
00:53:17,598 --> 00:53:21,198
ditch. And by doing that, the units would be likely

825
00:53:21,779 --> 00:53:25,758
be 300 square feet smaller. Yep. Um, and we have

826
00:53:25,859 --> 00:53:29,358
said family friendly housing is a priority. And this is

827
00:53:29,398 --> 00:53:33,678
an example of roughly 1500 square feet of family friendly

828
00:53:33,718 --> 00:53:37,998
housing, um, and, and to make it smaller each unit

829
00:53:37,998 --> 00:53:41,118
smaller by 300 square feet for a ditch that doesn't

830
00:53:41,219 --> 00:53:45,098
convey water and does not hold any aquatic life. Um,

831
00:53:45,139 --> 00:53:47,678
seems like a reasonable trade off to me. So I'll

832
00:53:47,678 --> 00:53:51,598
be supporting. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I, I feel

833
00:53:51,638 --> 00:53:55,549
the same way Councillor Dilworth. Thank you. I'm going to

834
00:53:55,770 --> 00:53:58,789
speak in support of the application. I think one of

835
00:53:59,050 --> 00:54:01,909
the key points for me is the uniqueness of the

836
00:54:01,949 --> 00:54:06,709
property being enclosed by roadways on three sides, which ensures

837
00:54:07,050 --> 00:54:11,669
adequate and appropriate egraphs to the ingress egress to the

838
00:54:11,709 --> 00:54:14,469
property. Um, I also think it's very fitting in the

839
00:54:14,490 --> 00:54:17,589
neighbourhood. We've seen over the past couple of years we've

840
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:23,029
seen property owners, uh, evolved, their single family property lots,

841
00:54:23,029 --> 00:54:29,349
um, either by subdividing, by doing, uh, small house subdivision.

842
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:33,349
And I think looking at two duplexes is a right

843
00:54:33,389 --> 00:54:36,029
mix. And not just for, for families, you know, I

844
00:54:36,029 --> 00:54:38,469
think a number of people that live up in the

845
00:54:38,509 --> 00:54:42,949
sea view Glenair, even college park area are still older

846
00:54:42,989 --> 00:54:45,589
families and they are looking to downsize. They have children

847
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:48,389
that are looking for access to homes. This could be

848
00:54:48,730 --> 00:54:53,029
generational property. This could be having elderly parents move in.

849
00:54:53,029 --> 00:54:56,789
I think it's exactly what Schmoo housing is meant to

850
00:54:56,789 --> 00:55:00,186
be. And I'm very supportive of it. What else have

851
00:55:00,186 --> 00:55:02,586
I got here? And the 10 by 10 green space

852
00:55:02,626 --> 00:55:05,786
for every unit, that's a lot of green space on

853
00:55:05,826 --> 00:55:08,746
that particular piece of property, I think. And I will

854
00:55:08,767 --> 00:55:11,866
just, I'm not going to repeat everything that Councillor Egg

855
00:55:11,967 --> 00:55:15,146
Trap said, but certainly one of the winning points for

856
00:55:15,186 --> 00:55:19,786
me was the severance does allow for larger units and

857
00:55:19,887 --> 00:55:22,626
more living space for whoever's going to live there. So

858
00:55:22,626 --> 00:55:25,690
I am going to support this application this evening. Thank

859
00:55:25,690 --> 00:55:30,716
you. Uh, Councillor Morrison, go ahead. Thank you. Um, I

860
00:55:30,756 --> 00:55:33,756
appreciated staff answers those questions and thank you Councillor Egg

861
00:55:33,777 --> 00:55:36,156
Trapp for bringing in clarifying a couple of those things

862
00:55:36,577 --> 00:55:40,636
for us about the, um, the water course, um, category

863
00:55:40,817 --> 00:55:46,636
C. Um, we have a goal as a council to

864
00:55:46,676 --> 00:55:50,056
try to work with people to provide housing solutions. Um,

865
00:55:50,497 --> 00:55:53,676
just, just because we're asking for a variance on this

866
00:55:53,857 --> 00:55:56,716
one thing, we need to look at each individual application

867
00:55:56,977 --> 00:55:58,636
regardless of what it is, whether it happens to be

868
00:55:58,657 --> 00:56:03,756
a townhouse development, um, a schmud designation development or a

869
00:56:03,756 --> 00:56:06,236
tower based on its individual merits and what is providing

870
00:56:06,276 --> 00:56:08,956
to the community in that moment. Um, I appreciate that

871
00:56:09,297 --> 00:56:11,756
the province did not do any consultation with the city

872
00:56:11,796 --> 00:56:15,196
before rolling these things in. And I've mentioned that many,

873
00:56:15,196 --> 00:56:19,356
many times before. But when, when, when we're not able

874
00:56:19,356 --> 00:56:22,476
to provide another family sized unit for somebody because of

875
00:56:22,737 --> 00:56:26,236
a ditch in the way that has no bearing environmentally

876
00:56:26,276 --> 00:56:29,036
on anything around it. And staff are comfortable with this

877
00:56:29,297 --> 00:56:32,236
report. And we're going to say, let's reduce the unit

878
00:56:32,337 --> 00:56:37,676
by one. It's providing all on site parking, one per

879
00:56:37,716 --> 00:56:39,516
unit. So we're not saying it's going to overflow into

880
00:56:39,537 --> 00:56:44,876
other units. Um, it's, it's a larger size, which is

881
00:56:44,876 --> 00:56:47,596
part of that missing middle that we're trying to provide.

882
00:56:47,596 --> 00:56:50,236
Um, that we hear from this Council table all the

883
00:56:50,236 --> 00:56:53,096
time about trying to provide more missing mental housing. And

884
00:56:53,096 --> 00:56:55,516
then we're going to say no because we're doing a

885
00:56:55,617 --> 00:56:58,196
variance. This is not a blanket statement we're going to

886
00:56:58,196 --> 00:57:01,436
create a precedent that every single, uh, Class C water

887
00:57:01,457 --> 00:57:03,116
course is going to be a variance. The fact that

888
00:57:03,116 --> 00:57:06,156
it has the back lane, the fact that it's on

889
00:57:06,156 --> 00:57:08,076
the end of a unit and has the side as

890
00:57:08,076 --> 00:57:11,196
well, um, and that this happens to be underneath the,

891
00:57:11,196 --> 00:57:14,396
uh, right on the edge of the property line. Let's

892
00:57:14,396 --> 00:57:16,716
try to work with people to find solutions instead of

893
00:57:16,756 --> 00:57:20,716
just putting up barriers. We need to stop finding solutions

894
00:57:21,457 --> 00:57:24,236
instead of excuses to provide family housing. And I'm hearing

895
00:57:24,337 --> 00:57:26,796
too much of that, um, whether it happens to be

896
00:57:27,297 --> 00:57:30,076
a tower site that has 45 percent of its unit,

897
00:57:31,297 --> 00:57:33,396
or it happens to be this, which is going to

898
00:57:33,457 --> 00:57:35,596
be all family units. Let's find ways to work with

899
00:57:35,596 --> 00:57:37,996
people to provide this. We're still in a housing crisis

900
00:57:38,017 --> 00:57:41,676
here. Right. And we still need to be providing this.

901
00:57:41,676 --> 00:57:43,036
And I think we need to look at the individual

902
00:57:43,217 --> 00:57:47,436
merits instead of trying to make blanket statements about not

903
00:57:47,457 --> 00:57:49,916
allowing something because it needs a variance and trying to

904
00:57:49,916 --> 00:57:51,516
push back as if that's the way to push back

905
00:57:51,537 --> 00:57:55,116
on the government's mandates. So, um, those are my thoughts.

906
00:57:55,116 --> 00:57:56,956
Sonic, I'm going to be supporting this application because I

907
00:57:56,956 --> 00:57:59,756
do believe in larger family size homes. And we don't

908
00:57:59,796 --> 00:58:02,076
get a ton of them. Um, brought in. If this

909
00:58:02,076 --> 00:58:03,676
was two lots and it had eight units on it

910
00:58:03,857 --> 00:58:06,316
as townhomes, we'd be very happy to have townhouses there.

911
00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:08,716
So the fact that this has four units on it,

912
00:58:08,716 --> 00:58:10,876
consider it like a very small townhouse complex in a

913
00:58:10,876 --> 00:58:14,160
way. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Lubeck. Thank you so

914
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,280
much. I'll be brief. Um, you know, I appreciate the

915
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,572
conversation at the table, honestly. You know, I would have

916
00:58:21,572 --> 00:58:24,532
a lot more concerns if this was a development that

917
00:58:24,633 --> 00:58:27,972
covered the entire property that did not have permeable surfaces

918
00:58:28,233 --> 00:58:32,212
and play areas. And if the riparian area was anything

919
00:58:32,313 --> 00:58:35,252
other than class C. And so I really appreciate that

920
00:58:35,292 --> 00:58:38,452
staff have worked with the applicant to be able to,

921
00:58:38,452 --> 00:58:41,972
you know, make adjustments. Um, and I just wanted to

922
00:58:41,972 --> 00:58:45,252
say like, I think it's very important that we do

923
00:58:45,292 --> 00:58:52,523
look at things application by application. Um, just, was it

924
00:58:52,523 --> 00:58:54,843
last week, last week, I think we had an application

925
00:58:54,864 --> 00:58:59,243
where council was not satisfied with the setbacks and said

926
00:58:59,283 --> 00:59:00,843
so and pushed back. And we'll see what happens there.

927
00:59:02,409 --> 00:59:07,187
But technically that was allowed. Um, this, well, that was

928
00:59:07,227 --> 00:59:11,667
a love by provincial legislation on our legislation. But this

929
00:59:11,768 --> 00:59:17,618
meets the goals that we're trying to achieve. And, um,

930
00:59:17,979 --> 00:59:19,478
yeah, I just think it's important that we look at

931
00:59:19,579 --> 00:59:23,004
things on an individual basis and not necessarily. Not necessarily

932
00:59:23,105 --> 00:59:31,089
make blanket recommendations. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Yeah. I

933
00:59:31,089 --> 00:59:33,409
mean, I'm looking at all the notes that I took,

934
00:59:33,409 --> 00:59:36,129
um, when I was reviewing this report. And as I

935
00:59:36,129 --> 00:59:40,809
was listening to, um, to staff's answers and sort of

936
00:59:40,809 --> 00:59:44,369
my, my thoughts, I wrote, I feel that we need

937
00:59:44,409 --> 00:59:47,409
to look at each application as a unique opportunity to

938
00:59:47,590 --> 00:59:52,729
provide in fill housing. And we cannot, we have to

939
00:59:52,729 --> 00:59:57,889
approach this with the, with, with the notion that we

940
00:59:58,470 --> 01:00:00,449
sit at this table, as has been mentioned. And we

941
01:00:00,449 --> 01:00:04,369
talk about how important housing for families is. This is

942
01:00:04,550 --> 01:00:09,009
housing for families. And to simply say, no, because there's

943
01:00:09,009 --> 01:00:14,369
a variance. To me, just is really counterintuitive to what

944
01:00:14,409 --> 01:00:16,369
it is that we're trying to achieve here. I mean,

945
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:19,009
I had somebody ask me the other day. What are

946
01:00:19,009 --> 01:00:22,209
you doing? What have you done for family housing? Well,

947
01:00:22,209 --> 01:00:24,289
these are the kinds of applications that we want to

948
01:00:24,329 --> 01:00:28,369
see. So we're looking at the difference between four, 1500

949
01:00:28,409 --> 01:00:34,710
square foot units versus four 1200 square units. Like why,

950
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:38,070
like, if I had an opportunity to increase a housing

951
01:00:38,171 --> 01:00:42,630
for families by 300 square feet, that's significant for a

952
01:00:42,670 --> 01:00:47,350
family. And you would not want to, um, to, to

953
01:00:47,371 --> 01:00:49,830
minimize that. So of course, um, I'm going to support

954
01:00:49,851 --> 01:00:52,310
this. And again, we need to look at these applications

955
01:00:52,651 --> 01:00:55,910
as unique opportunities for housing and not try to blank

956
01:00:55,950 --> 01:00:59,350
it, put a blanket across all applications that come forward.

957
01:00:59,350 --> 01:01:02,230
This does not in any way negate the criticism that

958
01:01:02,270 --> 01:01:05,830
we had around the way that this, that this legislation

959
01:01:05,851 --> 01:01:09,030
came in. And the fact that there was no consultation.

960
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:10,870
And the fact that we didn't plan for many of

961
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:13,030
the areas in the city that are calling for this

962
01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:16,630
type of infill development to occur. However, this neighbourhood actually

963
01:01:16,811 --> 01:01:21,270
did, does contemplate that directly across the street. There's townhouse

964
01:01:21,310 --> 01:01:24,230
development and around the corner. So this is the ideal

965
01:01:24,270 --> 01:01:26,390
neighbourhood for this type of infill housing. This is a

966
01:01:26,430 --> 01:01:29,590
perfect lot. It has been mentioned. It has, uh, for

967
01:01:29,590 --> 01:01:32,630
the exposures on, on the side. And, you know, I

968
01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:35,990
just, I just think it would be like, what are

969
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:37,830
we trying to prove if we say no? Because the

970
01:01:37,851 --> 01:01:40,390
variance. When this is exactly the kind of housing that

971
01:01:40,411 --> 01:01:44,550
we're asking for is it makes no sense to me.

972
01:01:44,550 --> 01:01:47,110
Um, so yes, of course, I will be supporting this.

973
01:01:48,423 --> 01:01:53,002
So we'll call the question that for the record, I

974
01:01:53,002 --> 01:01:55,442
just want to note that the statutory notification requirements have

975
01:01:55,463 --> 01:01:58,242
been met and there were no written submissions received in

976
01:01:58,242 --> 01:02:00,962
response to that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh,

977
01:02:00,962 --> 01:02:04,144
so I'll call the question then all in favor. Opposed

978
01:02:04,325 --> 01:02:09,680
Councillor Larbecki as opposed. All right. Great. We'll move on

979
01:02:09,861 --> 01:02:17,484
to the next item. Which is Heritage Alteration Permit 101

980
01:02:17,745 --> 01:02:21,472
First Avenue. And this is for school district 43. Welcome.

981
01:02:22,127 --> 01:02:22,426
Thank you.

982
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:58,269
Good evening Mayor and Council. My name is Terrence Chang

983
01:02:58,290 --> 01:03:00,749
and I'm the development planner responsible for this project on

984
01:03:01,090 --> 01:03:06,183
one - on - one First Avenue. Tonight, Council will

985
01:03:06,284 --> 01:03:09,783
be considering the heritage alteration permit and development permit application

986
01:03:09,823 --> 01:03:13,825
for this project. At the applications are approved by Council,

987
01:03:13,825 --> 01:03:17,560
the project will be able to move, sorry. Will be

988
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,021
able to move forward to the building permit stage. Following

989
01:03:21,021 --> 01:03:24,141
the issuance of the heritage alteration permit and the development

990
01:03:24,242 --> 01:03:29,433
permit. Subject site is a corner lot located at the

991
01:03:29,614 --> 01:03:33,566
intersection of IOCA Road and First Avenue. The proposed site

992
01:03:33,566 --> 01:03:36,686
consists of one legal parcel that is a heritage protected

993
01:03:36,726 --> 01:03:39,582
site. The city and the school district currently has a

994
01:03:39,622 --> 01:03:45,171
joint use agreement to utilise the site. The site is

995
01:03:45,192 --> 01:03:49,491
zone P1, which accommodates public service uses on public land,

996
01:03:49,491 --> 01:03:55,643
including cultural recreational and administrative uses. Surrounding uses include commercial,

997
01:03:55,683 --> 01:04:00,647
residential, and recreational spaces. The site requires an environmental development

998
01:04:00,668 --> 01:04:02,887
permit as a portion of the site to the east

999
01:04:03,068 --> 01:04:08,018
is classified as a high environmentally sensitive area. The site

1000
01:04:08,058 --> 01:04:12,498
is also within Dioko Townsite Heritage Conservation Area, which envisions

1001
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,458
an opportunity to act as a generator of new development

1002
01:04:15,959 --> 01:04:24,970
with opportunities for adaptive reuse sensitive infill and revitalization. Imperial

1003
01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:27,930
oil established the planned iocal town site in the early

1004
01:04:27,970 --> 01:04:32,170
1920s. As a refinery, uh, was located in an isolated

1005
01:04:32,191 --> 01:04:36,284
area, the lacked road access until 1925. The town was

1006
01:04:36,324 --> 01:04:41,964
officially opened on October 1st, 1921 and contained two churches,

1007
01:04:41,964 --> 01:04:44,764
a community hall, a post office, a Bowling Green and

1008
01:04:44,804 --> 01:04:49,004
Clubhouse, tennis courts, and a sports field. The town's opening

1009
01:04:49,505 --> 01:04:52,284
also included a school, which was located at the entry

1010
01:04:52,324 --> 01:04:55,208
of the town. And across from the Ayoko Church, the

1011
01:04:55,208 --> 01:04:59,008
Bowling Green and the CPR Railway track. The school was

1012
01:04:59,029 --> 01:05:02,048
a wood frame construction with wooden lap siding at the

1013
01:05:02,069 --> 01:05:06,174
Foundation Level and Cedar's shingles above. All the children and

1014
01:05:06,174 --> 01:05:09,374
the town site attended the school, providing education ranging from

1015
01:05:09,374 --> 01:05:13,352
the first grade to university entry classes. The semi -

1016
01:05:13,352 --> 01:05:17,912
detached gymnasium was constructed in the late 1950s. Historical records

1017
01:05:18,013 --> 01:05:21,672
indicate that the school transitioned to an elementary school sometime

1018
01:05:21,672 --> 01:05:23,992
in the mid - 20th century and was converted to

1019
01:05:24,013 --> 01:05:28,057
an alternate school in the mid - 1990s. The school

1020
01:05:28,097 --> 01:05:32,297
officially closed in 2005 and school district 43 has continually

1021
01:05:32,398 --> 01:05:39,232
maintained the school following its closure. The application being considered

1022
01:05:39,333 --> 01:05:43,392
tonight proposes interior and exterior renovation to the IOCA school

1023
01:05:43,432 --> 01:05:49,176
site to accommodate 150 space licensed childcare facility. The proposal

1024
01:05:49,197 --> 01:05:52,616
seeks to preserve the wood frame structure and character -

1025
01:05:52,616 --> 01:05:56,515
defining elements of the school. Rehabilitate the interior to approve

1026
01:05:56,536 --> 01:06:00,435
functionality of the space and provide upgrades to mechanical and

1027
01:06:00,475 --> 01:06:06,066
electrical systems, seismic integrity, and accessibility. A heritage consultant has

1028
01:06:06,106 --> 01:06:10,226
been retained by the applicant and has worked collaboratively with

1029
01:06:10,327 --> 01:06:13,666
staff to ensure minimal impact on the heritage value of

1030
01:06:13,687 --> 01:06:18,096
the building. The heritage consultant will remain oversight of the

1031
01:06:18,277 --> 01:06:24,586
building during construction. Oh, sorry. Outdoor play and covered areas

1032
01:06:24,626 --> 01:06:28,026
are also proposed with an accessibility ramp located to the

1033
01:06:28,047 --> 01:06:30,266
east of the site to provide access to the upper

1034
01:06:30,367 --> 01:06:33,900
floor of the school from the outside. Once constructed, the

1035
01:06:34,001 --> 01:06:38,220
project will include 36 spaces for infant and toddlers, 66

1036
01:06:38,321 --> 01:06:42,060
bases for children's ages three to five and 48 spaces

1037
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,540
for school - age children for before and after school

1038
01:06:44,641 --> 01:06:48,070
care. The facility will be run by a non -

1039
01:06:48,070 --> 01:06:52,070
profit childcare operator and will deliver affordable childcare fees to

1040
01:06:52,110 --> 01:06:56,328
the province's fee reduction program. 20 vehicle parking spaces are

1041
01:06:56,349 --> 01:07:00,808
being proposed along with outdoor bicycle and indoor bicycle parking

1042
01:07:00,808 --> 01:07:05,134
spaces. Following the results of the traffic impact assessment, the

1043
01:07:05,134 --> 01:07:10,674
application, the applicant will explore circulation constraints with staff resulting

1044
01:07:10,674 --> 01:07:15,329
from pickup and drop - off. Options to alleviate parking

1045
01:07:15,369 --> 01:07:19,489
concerns may include dedicating parking spaces for pickup and drop

1046
01:07:19,489 --> 01:07:25,745
- off, an additional bicycle parking spaces. In conclusion, in

1047
01:07:25,745 --> 01:07:29,185
the words of the applicant, since its closure in 2005,

1048
01:07:29,206 --> 01:07:34,545
the 1921 Iocal Schoolhouse, a designated heritage landmark and Port

1049
01:07:34,585 --> 01:07:38,625
Moody has long - awaited a second act. Staff are

1050
01:07:38,625 --> 01:07:41,905
supportive this proposal as the adaptive reuse of the school

1051
01:07:42,006 --> 01:07:46,385
site represents a balanced approach to heritage preservation while providing

1052
01:07:46,966 --> 01:07:51,786
150 new childcare spaces to the community. Thank you very

1053
01:07:51,826 --> 01:07:54,106
much. I would also like to note that there was

1054
01:07:54,146 --> 01:07:56,586
a minor clerical error in the report and that the

1055
01:07:56,626 --> 01:07:58,826
correct report has been provided as an on - table

1056
01:07:58,847 --> 01:08:02,106
attachment. Staff and the applicant team are available to answer

1057
01:08:02,207 --> 01:08:08,065
any questions. Thank you. Right. I'll go to Council.

1058
01:08:11,988 --> 01:08:16,177
Nobody. Oh, Councillor Act Raph. I like to move the

1059
01:08:16,217 --> 01:08:18,977
recommendation. Okay, it's been moved and seconded. And I just

1060
01:08:18,977 --> 01:08:21,937
like to thank the applicant, which is the school board,

1061
01:08:21,937 --> 01:08:27,057
I think, for imagining, reimagining this space as, um, a

1062
01:08:27,057 --> 01:08:31,697
community benefit that school has been empty for a while.

1063
01:08:31,697 --> 01:08:34,817
And I really appreciate the efforts in going through the

1064
01:08:34,838 --> 01:08:39,217
efforts of preserving the heritage while creating much - needed

1065
01:08:39,257 --> 01:08:42,737
childcare spaces in our community. So I fully support this.

1066
01:08:42,737 --> 01:08:46,897
Thank you, Councillor Councillor Dilworth. I will second second this

1067
01:08:46,897 --> 01:08:48,737
report. And I want to say that was a great

1068
01:08:49,238 --> 01:08:53,217
representation that you made. I really appreciated the sort of

1069
01:08:53,257 --> 01:08:56,737
historic angle and storytelling around the application. So I really

1070
01:08:56,777 --> 01:09:00,497
appreciated that. Um, first of all, I want to give

1071
01:09:01,958 --> 01:09:06,417
extreme gratification to the school district who have literally spent

1072
01:09:06,918 --> 01:09:13,217
decades committing to maintaining the integrity. And all the appropriate

1073
01:09:13,558 --> 01:09:18,897
care to keep this, uh, building in a space where

1074
01:09:18,918 --> 01:09:21,537
it can be reused. Far too many times at this

1075
01:09:21,577 --> 01:09:24,977
table, we see many of our older and historic buildings

1076
01:09:25,478 --> 01:09:29,137
being denigrated due to lack of maintenance. So, um, big

1077
01:09:29,137 --> 01:09:32,737
thank you to the school district for that. Uh, absolutely

1078
01:09:33,078 --> 01:09:35,377
going to support this. I am excited to see a

1079
01:09:35,417 --> 01:09:38,577
new gathering space in that part of our city. It's

1080
01:09:38,617 --> 01:09:40,977
not just going to be a child care centre with

1081
01:09:41,017 --> 01:09:44,257
the field renovated with the space there. I think it's

1082
01:09:44,257 --> 01:09:47,697
going to be very welcome at that end of the

1083
01:09:47,697 --> 01:09:50,657
city. So I do support this. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor

1084
01:09:51,158 --> 01:09:54,053
Councillor Knowles. Uh, yeah, I won't be labour much of

1085
01:09:54,053 --> 01:09:57,413
what my colleagues have said. I am two main things.

1086
01:09:57,413 --> 01:09:59,493
I'm also excited to see this area come back to

1087
01:09:59,533 --> 01:10:03,573
life literally. It's quite dead and dusty and brown in

1088
01:10:03,573 --> 01:10:05,813
that area right now. And I think having a bunch

1089
01:10:05,813 --> 01:10:09,013
of, um, happily playing children will be lovely. Um, I

1090
01:10:09,013 --> 01:10:12,213
also wanted to send, um, sincere thanks to the school

1091
01:10:12,253 --> 01:10:18,773
board, we've had some really productive and just overly generous

1092
01:10:18,813 --> 01:10:21,653
meetings, I feel with the school board lately. And it

1093
01:10:21,653 --> 01:10:24,733
has been really nice to, um, for this council, I

1094
01:10:24,733 --> 01:10:27,653
feel like to, to rebuild those relationships and to get

1095
01:10:27,653 --> 01:10:29,973
back on track. And I'm really looking forward to working

1096
01:10:30,074 --> 01:10:34,133
together with them on future projects. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor

1097
01:10:34,234 --> 01:10:38,690
Lerbecki. Thank you. Just wanted to say how excited I

1098
01:10:38,690 --> 01:10:41,170
am for this project. Uh, when you think of a

1099
01:10:41,170 --> 01:10:44,570
place that, again, we're speaking of space for children, 10

1100
01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:46,690
square metres is not very big. And when you're thinking

1101
01:10:46,711 --> 01:10:50,210
of, I think that's 107 square feet of Google is

1102
01:10:50,210 --> 01:10:53,143
correct. So when I think of a place where children

1103
01:10:53,244 --> 01:10:55,623
should be playing, this is exactly the type of location

1104
01:10:55,623 --> 01:10:59,783
that I think is ideal in terms of, um, the,

1105
01:10:59,783 --> 01:11:03,623
not only the exciting building renovation that will be undertaken.

1106
01:11:03,623 --> 01:11:06,263
And the historic, uh, nature of this spot that can

1107
01:11:06,263 --> 01:11:09,943
be learning opportunity for families and children attending there. But

1108
01:11:10,044 --> 01:11:12,263
the setting that it's in as well. So it's very,

1109
01:11:12,303 --> 01:11:17,043
very exciting. It's going to deliver much needed childcare. And

1110
01:11:17,043 --> 01:11:18,863
I just can't wait for it to be finished. I

1111
01:11:18,863 --> 01:11:20,583
know I've heard that from many people in the community.

1112
01:11:20,583 --> 01:11:24,489
So thank you so much. Thank you. Uh, Councillor Lubick.

1113
01:11:25,225 --> 01:11:28,964
Thank you so much. Yeah. I'll be brief. Just very

1114
01:11:28,964 --> 01:11:32,484
much appreciate all the work that's been done. And 150

1115
01:11:33,145 --> 01:11:38,244
new child care spaces is really impressive. And well being

1116
01:11:38,244 --> 01:11:42,580
able and for a variety of ages. I'm really excited

1117
01:11:42,620 --> 01:11:46,180
to see this. I also, as you were speaking was

1118
01:11:46,220 --> 01:11:49,300
kind of reflecting on just the history again of the,

1119
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:53,300
of the site. And, you know, that's the importance of,

1120
01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:56,740
the importance in preserving those buildings because it captures the

1121
01:11:56,921 --> 01:12:01,140
stories of, you know, how we got, where we are.

1122
01:12:01,140 --> 01:12:03,998
And this is a new chapter in that story. Um,

1123
01:12:04,339 --> 01:12:06,318
and so I think it's, I think it's a very

1124
01:12:06,339 --> 01:12:10,398
special project. So thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah.

1125
01:12:10,398 --> 01:12:12,398
I would only add that. I hope that we'll have

1126
01:12:12,438 --> 01:12:14,958
an opportunity to sort of integrate some of that history

1127
01:12:15,219 --> 01:12:19,278
into the building in terms of perhaps maybe a plaque

1128
01:12:19,278 --> 01:12:23,198
acknowledging the origins of the building along those lines, something

1129
01:12:23,198 --> 01:12:25,678
like that. But, um, yeah, I'm, I'm also very supportive

1130
01:12:25,699 --> 01:12:28,718
of this. I will call the question all in favor.

1131
01:12:29,623 --> 01:12:33,042
Opposed carry unanimously. Thank you very much, Mr. Chang. Thank

1132
01:12:33,042 --> 01:12:37,026
you. Thank you. Next item is 11. 3, which is

1133
01:12:37,047 --> 01:12:40,466
Kyle Centre redevelopment project update and request for additional capital.

1134
01:12:42,278 --> 01:12:45,777
We have a, yeah, we have a presentation. Great. Thank

1135
01:12:45,777 --> 01:12:45,857
you.

1136
01:13:11,911 --> 01:13:15,617
Go ahead. Good evening Mayor Council. Thank you for the

1137
01:13:15,638 --> 01:13:18,657
opportunity tonight to bring you an update on the Calo

1138
01:13:18,657 --> 01:13:24,434
Centaury Development project. I'm going to start, uh, start with,

1139
01:13:24,434 --> 01:13:29,714
uh, sharing the proposed conceptual design that was shared recently

1140
01:13:30,215 --> 01:13:33,794
during the second round public engagement, uh, before I go

1141
01:13:33,895 --> 01:13:37,074
into some more details on the next step for the

1142
01:13:37,074 --> 01:13:43,922
project. Just a recap that the project is proposed to

1143
01:13:43,962 --> 01:13:47,282
take place over four phases. We're currently in the first

1144
01:13:47,322 --> 01:13:50,962
phase or the conceptual design phase, uh, we've done a

1145
01:13:50,962 --> 01:13:56,242
couple rounds of public engagement and the main deliverables for

1146
01:13:56,743 --> 01:14:01,362
this current phase, uh, would include a final concept design

1147
01:14:02,023 --> 01:14:07,602
along with class D cost estimates and funding strategies. And

1148
01:14:07,703 --> 01:14:10,242
if Council approves, uh, then we'll go forward to the

1149
01:14:10,282 --> 01:14:13,362
next phase, which would be detailed design to be followed

1150
01:14:13,402 --> 01:14:17,362
by phase three construction of the community centre in plaza.

1151
01:14:17,362 --> 01:14:20,722
And then followed by phase four construction of Kyle Park.

1152
01:14:24,143 --> 01:14:28,122
Um, so, uh, on the screen there, there's a number

1153
01:14:28,162 --> 01:14:32,282
of key themes that came out of round one engagement.

1154
01:14:32,282 --> 01:14:34,282
I'm not going to go into details here, but I

1155
01:14:34,282 --> 01:14:37,002
would just name a couple such as connecting indoor and

1156
01:14:37,042 --> 01:14:40,762
outdoor spaces and finding a balance between flexible and specific

1157
01:14:40,863 --> 01:14:43,802
users for this basis. Um, I just want to note

1158
01:14:43,802 --> 01:14:47,402
that these, uh, he, themes were all considered, uh, in

1159
01:14:47,663 --> 01:14:53,832
during the development of the conceptual design. So this is

1160
01:14:54,093 --> 01:15:00,472
a concept plan overview. You can see that, uh, the

1161
01:15:00,893 --> 01:15:04,712
community centre is proposed to be situated right across from

1162
01:15:04,733 --> 01:15:09,992
the pomo arts building. The commute centre is setting it

1163
01:15:10,093 --> 01:15:13,912
at about 39, 000 square feet, which is more than

1164
01:15:14,253 --> 01:15:16,952
two and a half times of the existing cow centre,

1165
01:15:16,952 --> 01:15:20,632
which is at 11, 000 square feet. Um, so in

1166
01:15:20,632 --> 01:15:24,952
front of the commute centre, there's the plaza area. And

1167
01:15:24,952 --> 01:15:28,472
then down south, you see the existing cow park. There's

1168
01:15:28,653 --> 01:15:33,432
plans to do some renewals and updates to this existing

1169
01:15:33,773 --> 01:15:37,032
portion of Cal Park. And then to the north, uh,

1170
01:15:37,773 --> 01:15:40,952
here's the expanded portion of Kyle Park. And in this

1171
01:15:40,973 --> 01:15:44,632
concept design, the Kyle Street is proposed to be closed

1172
01:15:44,813 --> 01:15:48,232
between St. Andrews and St. George, uh, to provide better

1173
01:15:48,413 --> 01:15:52,152
connection between the plaza and the park space. We're also

1174
01:15:52,192 --> 01:15:56,632
looking at potentially closing portion of St George, as noted

1175
01:15:56,672 --> 01:16:00,863
here in the blue box. And there's nothing happening in

1176
01:16:00,903 --> 01:16:05,743
the Westernmost portion of the project site, but we have

1177
01:16:06,004 --> 01:16:11,343
research sufficient area for potential future low cost housing of

1178
01:16:11,343 --> 01:16:16,237
Council So Directs in the future. So this is a

1179
01:16:16,277 --> 01:16:20,077
3D illustration of the proposed concept plan. Again, you can

1180
01:16:20,117 --> 01:16:26,477
see the community centre right here, the plaza right here.

1181
01:16:26,477 --> 01:16:29,197
The renewed cow part to the south as well as

1182
01:16:29,237 --> 01:16:32,477
the expanded chiropart to the north. And then also the,

1183
01:16:32,477 --> 01:16:36,317
um, closed section of Cow Street through support connection between

1184
01:16:37,298 --> 01:16:42,237
the outdoor spaces. Um, the community centre sits on one

1185
01:16:42,277 --> 01:16:45,257
and a half levels of underground parkade. And you can

1186
01:16:45,257 --> 01:16:49,517
see the parquet ramp right here with entrance from St.

1187
01:16:49,557 --> 01:16:58,502
Andrew Street. The proposed community centre has two floors. Uh,

1188
01:16:58,502 --> 01:17:02,661
this is the ground floor plan. The main entrance is

1189
01:17:02,701 --> 01:17:06,661
right here, uh, from Kyle Street. As you go in

1190
01:17:07,082 --> 01:17:11,061
on your left would be the reception area, uh, as

1191
01:17:11,061 --> 01:17:13,719
well as the weight room. And on your right would

1192
01:17:13,719 --> 01:17:17,559
be a lounge area for people to socialize and chat.

1193
01:17:17,559 --> 01:17:21,799
And then further, would be the youth senior space games

1194
01:17:21,820 --> 01:17:29,536
room. And a fitness multipurpose space. Here's washrooms and showers.

1195
01:17:29,536 --> 01:17:31,376
And then down here is the gym, which is big

1196
01:17:31,376 --> 01:17:36,683
enough to fit, um, four pickleball courts. Moving on to

1197
01:17:36,784 --> 01:17:41,243
the second floor, um, we have the arts multipoppers space,

1198
01:17:41,243 --> 01:17:45,323
uh, which is strategically placed there to look across over

1199
01:17:45,824 --> 01:17:49,799
to the pomo arts building. We have a meeting room

1200
01:17:50,060 --> 01:17:54,359
in the middle here. And then, uh, unallocated programmable space

1201
01:17:54,399 --> 01:17:58,190
to the left. And then down south, um, we have

1202
01:17:58,211 --> 01:18:03,682
an event multipurpose space. There is also a prep kitchen

1203
01:18:03,783 --> 01:18:09,042
that's attached to the events multipurpose space to support warming

1204
01:18:09,063 --> 01:18:12,642
up of any catered food. It's not a commercial great

1205
01:18:12,682 --> 01:18:16,162
kitchen. So we do not intend that to be producing

1206
01:18:16,903 --> 01:18:24,003
food or major cooking in that area. So this is

1207
01:18:24,264 --> 01:18:28,563
an East elevation view of the building. Um, so you're

1208
01:18:28,563 --> 01:18:32,803
looking basically standing on Cal Street looking west towards the

1209
01:18:32,843 --> 01:18:35,923
building. You can see the plaza area, um, we do

1210
01:18:36,104 --> 01:18:39,603
intend to, um, program it throughout the year to make

1211
01:18:39,643 --> 01:18:42,563
it a very vibrant space. In the image here, you

1212
01:18:42,563 --> 01:18:46,323
can see a little, um, uh, concert happening at the

1213
01:18:46,363 --> 01:18:51,523
corner, um, further to the, to the north. You see

1214
01:18:51,544 --> 01:18:55,603
a little area here. This is a handy dart pickup

1215
01:18:55,704 --> 01:19:00,083
drop off area, uh, which would provide a short distance

1216
01:19:00,424 --> 01:19:04,195
to the main entrance, which is right here. Uh, I

1217
01:19:04,195 --> 01:19:06,355
do want to note that there is a little slide

1218
01:19:06,456 --> 01:19:11,315
here for children to go down from the, um, uh,

1219
01:19:11,576 --> 01:19:14,835
from up here to the plaza as the caregivers or

1220
01:19:14,875 --> 01:19:19,847
parents go down the stairs themselves. Um, so again, this

1221
01:19:19,847 --> 01:19:22,247
is the main entrance. And then to the right is

1222
01:19:22,508 --> 01:19:25,607
the lounge as well as the youth and senior space.

1223
01:19:25,607 --> 01:19:28,647
I mentioned earlier to the left is the, uh, staff

1224
01:19:28,828 --> 01:19:32,787
of reception area, uh, and then the weight room, uh,

1225
01:19:32,787 --> 01:19:36,487
to the left here. There is an accessible washroom here

1226
01:19:37,708 --> 01:19:40,567
that's intended for park or plaza users. So they could

1227
01:19:40,607 --> 01:19:43,447
access from the outside and without, um, going through the

1228
01:19:43,468 --> 01:19:47,871
building. And then upstairs, you can see the, uh, arts

1229
01:19:47,871 --> 01:19:52,111
multipurpose space on the right and the event multipurpose space

1230
01:19:52,132 --> 01:19:57,799
on the left. So I'm going to take you through

1231
01:19:58,540 --> 01:20:02,599
a few renderings of the building of the interior of

1232
01:20:02,599 --> 01:20:06,599
the building. Um, so the left image here basically are

1233
01:20:06,599 --> 01:20:09,799
you standing at the entrance. You can see that there

1234
01:20:09,839 --> 01:20:13,079
is a long corridor that runs through the length of

1235
01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:17,159
the building that all the spaces open into. Um, so

1236
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:21,159
you can see the seating area of the lounge on

1237
01:20:21,159 --> 01:20:25,319
the right. On the left is the, um, reception area.

1238
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:27,399
There's also a couple elevators that would take you up

1239
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,679
to, um, the upper floor or down to the parquet.

1240
01:20:33,170 --> 01:20:36,109
The image on the, I'm sorry. Um, the image on

1241
01:20:36,109 --> 01:20:41,549
the right is just a different rendering showing further down

1242
01:20:41,650 --> 01:20:44,989
the corridor as you walk towards the west. You have

1243
01:20:45,170 --> 01:20:48,669
the, uh, fitness multipurpose space to the right and the

1244
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:55,797
gym to the left. So this rendering, um, shows a

1245
01:20:55,818 --> 01:20:59,477
better inside of the gynacium. You can see also that

1246
01:20:59,578 --> 01:21:03,877
there's glazing along the walls here upper floor as well

1247
01:21:03,877 --> 01:21:08,357
as lower for people to look into the gym for

1248
01:21:08,397 --> 01:21:10,517
parents to look into their gym. If they're dropping off

1249
01:21:10,538 --> 01:21:18,828
their children for different activities or lessons here. The image

1250
01:21:18,868 --> 01:21:23,708
on the right is again, a look through the corridor,

1251
01:21:23,708 --> 01:21:26,268
but you're standing on the west side of the building

1252
01:21:26,529 --> 01:21:30,548
and looking back at towards the entrance. Just want to

1253
01:21:30,548 --> 01:21:32,988
note that there are, um, a lot of opportunities on

1254
01:21:32,988 --> 01:21:39,791
the wall spaces for different art display. Uh, so moving

1255
01:21:39,831 --> 01:21:43,391
on up to the second floor, again, we're looking towards

1256
01:21:45,092 --> 01:21:48,271
the entrance. We have the Arts multipurpose space on the

1257
01:21:48,271 --> 01:21:52,511
left. And then, um, the events multipurpose space on the

1258
01:21:52,551 --> 01:21:58,991
right. There's quite generous space for people to gather or

1259
01:21:59,012 --> 01:22:02,351
to wait before an event happens. Which could be a

1260
01:22:02,351 --> 01:22:06,423
wedding or a conference, et cetera. Uh, the image on

1261
01:22:06,463 --> 01:22:10,183
the right shows the interior space of the arts multipurpose

1262
01:22:10,223 --> 01:22:11,623
space. You can see that there is a lot of

1263
01:22:11,884 --> 01:22:16,343
glazing, um, included, um, to provide as much natural light

1264
01:22:16,364 --> 01:22:19,703
as possible for any artist that who might be working

1265
01:22:19,724 --> 01:22:29,167
in that space. So this renderer here, um, shows

1266
01:22:29,668 --> 01:22:33,627
a quick look, our overview of the outdoor spaces, um,

1267
01:22:33,828 --> 01:22:39,167
we have the expanded Kyle Park right in front in

1268
01:22:39,167 --> 01:22:43,514
the forefront. The closed section of Kyle Street and then

1269
01:22:43,514 --> 01:22:47,274
the plaza in front of the, um, centre. And then

1270
01:22:47,274 --> 01:22:50,194
the, um, the renewed cow park to the south. So

1271
01:22:50,194 --> 01:22:51,514
you can see that there is a lot of different

1272
01:22:52,015 --> 01:22:55,674
types of equipment and play features that are shown in

1273
01:22:55,775 --> 01:23:00,234
the playground here, um, but these are really, um, just

1274
01:23:00,274 --> 01:23:04,634
placeholders. We do intend that to have different structures and,

1275
01:23:04,634 --> 01:23:08,154
uh, features to provide a wide range of play values

1276
01:23:08,495 --> 01:23:12,114
for children of different ages. Um, I do want to

1277
01:23:12,175 --> 01:23:14,954
note that there is an accessible path that goes around

1278
01:23:15,295 --> 01:23:18,394
the core portion of the playground here. And that accessible

1279
01:23:18,434 --> 01:23:22,474
path also connects to the closed section of Kyle Street

1280
01:23:24,415 --> 01:23:32,634
and the Plaza in front of the committee centre. The

1281
01:23:32,634 --> 01:23:35,754
image on the left shows the stepped terrorists that are

1282
01:23:35,775 --> 01:23:40,234
sitting on top of the closed section of Cow Street.

1283
01:23:40,234 --> 01:23:44,954
We have included terraces here just to work those in

1284
01:23:45,455 --> 01:23:49,274
into the existing topography of the site because the great

1285
01:23:49,274 --> 01:23:55,114
drop is actually quite, quite huge. There's a lot of

1286
01:23:55,695 --> 01:24:00,234
movable furniture and elements here that could be changed out

1287
01:24:00,274 --> 01:24:04,074
over the year to support different programs in the space.

1288
01:24:04,074 --> 01:24:05,754
You can see that we have included a lot of

1289
01:24:05,855 --> 01:24:09,674
planting areas as well as trees to provide a microclimate

1290
01:24:10,175 --> 01:24:13,676
as well as shades, especially in the summer. Uh, the

1291
01:24:13,697 --> 01:24:16,956
image on the right shows the renewal Kyle Park. There

1292
01:24:16,956 --> 01:24:20,316
are two levels of terraces with the upper level showing

1293
01:24:21,617 --> 01:24:26,396
a basketball half court. Inten it for older youth and

1294
01:24:26,436 --> 01:24:30,636
teenagers. And the lower terrorist featuring a whole bunch of

1295
01:24:30,657 --> 01:24:36,156
different fitness and parkour type equipment as well as seating

1296
01:24:36,196 --> 01:24:43,640
areas intended for adults. Um, so in terms of next

1297
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:49,160
steps, we are looking to implement a couple additional scopes

1298
01:24:51,421 --> 01:24:55,880
imminently. The first one being a traffic and access review

1299
01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:00,240
of potential closure or modifications to St. George Street. So

1300
01:25:00,541 --> 01:25:04,600
this would include consideration of existing residential and emergency access

1301
01:25:04,781 --> 01:25:09,320
with steep rates to the west, as well as alternate

1302
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:15,400
trafficcoming provisions because the existing directional, um, diverter that's at

1303
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:18,120
the corner of Kyle Street and St. George Street would

1304
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,360
need to be removed. Uh, we also want to get

1305
01:25:20,461 --> 01:25:24,520
feedback from a JSON residential properties. Um, I just want

1306
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,520
to note that this is an additional scope because we

1307
01:25:26,621 --> 01:25:31,000
didn't plan on closing St George. But we did hear

1308
01:25:31,661 --> 01:25:35,720
safety concerns, which came up quite high through the public

1309
01:25:35,901 --> 01:25:40,442
engagement. And so we want to address that. And we

1310
01:25:40,442 --> 01:25:43,162
also think that if what we do close as St.

1311
01:25:43,162 --> 01:25:47,162
George that would promote connection between the north and south

1312
01:25:47,202 --> 01:25:53,039
portions of Kyle Street of Kyle Park, sorry. And the

1313
01:25:53,039 --> 01:25:57,759
other additional scope is archaeological impact assessment and field work.

1314
01:25:57,759 --> 01:26:01,039
Um, so this we were originally planning to do this

1315
01:26:01,300 --> 01:26:03,919
work, um, in the next phase, just based on the

1316
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:07,999
anticipated timing of the permit approval, um, but we have

1317
01:26:08,740 --> 01:26:12,479
received notice that the permit likely going to come in

1318
01:26:13,220 --> 01:26:15,359
in the next month or so. So we like to

1319
01:26:15,359 --> 01:26:18,079
start this work as soon as possible. So we could,

1320
01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:22,399
uh, get more information and de - risk the projects.

1321
01:26:22,399 --> 01:26:25,119
And in our engagements with First Nations, they have all

1322
01:26:25,140 --> 01:26:29,119
noted that, uh, archaeological assessment is a priority for them.

1323
01:26:30,185 --> 01:26:32,864
So in order to cover these additional scopes, we are

1324
01:26:32,864 --> 01:26:39,044
seeking 148, 000 dollars to be allocated from the community,

1325
01:26:39,044 --> 01:26:44,579
amenity contribution reserved, uh, to support this work. And moving

1326
01:26:44,619 --> 01:26:49,299
forward, we want to confirm the geotechnical and archaeological requirements.

1327
01:26:49,299 --> 01:26:53,279
We are committed to continued dialogue with interest holders, uh,

1328
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:57,939
we do plan on a public engagement to get more

1329
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:02,419
feedback into the chiropract detail design. Of course, this is

1330
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:07,539
in the second phase or in the detailed design phase,

1331
01:27:07,539 --> 01:27:11,779
um, we want to make sure that we, um, share

1332
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:17,539
any information in a timely manner as the project progresses.

1333
01:27:17,539 --> 01:27:22,419
And staff have started looking at potential relocation options of

1334
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,599
existing co - centre programming. And we'll continue to, uh,

1335
01:27:25,599 --> 01:27:29,459
to move in that direction. And lastly, we will want

1336
01:27:29,459 --> 01:27:33,939
to consider and start planning to minimize any construction impacts

1337
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,939
for the pomoarts building as well as neoby businesses and

1338
01:27:37,979 --> 01:27:43,847
residential properties. Um, so in terms of next steps, we

1339
01:27:44,108 --> 01:27:49,047
intend to bring back a brink to council, full sum

1340
01:27:49,087 --> 01:27:54,647
conceptual design report along with class D cattle cost estimates

1341
01:27:55,068 --> 01:27:58,487
and potential funding strategies. And we also be seeking council

1342
01:27:58,527 --> 01:28:01,447
approval to proceed to the next phase, uh, which is

1343
01:28:01,447 --> 01:28:06,167
detailed design. And if Council approves, uh, then in 2027,

1344
01:28:06,167 --> 01:28:09,687
we would be starting on value engineering and detailed design.

1345
01:28:11,142 --> 01:28:13,681
Uh, so this takes me to the, uh, to the

1346
01:28:13,681 --> 01:28:16,881
end of the presentation. I'd like to use the opportunity

1347
01:28:17,062 --> 01:28:21,921
to, um, to get any feedback that cancel to provide.

1348
01:28:22,318 --> 01:28:26,217
Okay. Thank you very much. I see Councillor Knowles has

1349
01:28:27,278 --> 01:28:30,721
did. Uh, thank you. I will begin by removing the

1350
01:28:30,761 --> 01:28:36,227
recommendation. That's if I may. Okay. Thank you. Um, thank

1351
01:28:36,227 --> 01:28:39,347
you so much for this report to all of the

1352
01:28:39,387 --> 01:28:43,271
staff from Chico Eu Ding. A lot of work in

1353
01:28:43,311 --> 01:28:47,351
planning has gotten us to this point tonight. My goodness,

1354
01:28:48,092 --> 01:28:49,791
I recall, and I'm not the only one. What I

1355
01:28:49,791 --> 01:28:52,391
ran for election for the first time in 2022. This

1356
01:28:52,391 --> 01:28:54,471
was on my list of things to do. So I

1357
01:28:54,471 --> 01:28:58,711
am very excited to be here tonight. Um, you know,

1358
01:28:58,892 --> 01:29:00,951
this was, this went to all the committees. This went

1359
01:29:00,951 --> 01:29:03,991
to so many user groups in the city, um, public

1360
01:29:04,012 --> 01:29:08,951
engagement, um, has been wide and deep. And I really

1361
01:29:09,052 --> 01:29:11,191
appreciate all the work that went into it. These are

1362
01:29:11,191 --> 01:29:14,871
not small, small things that are done. I mean, the

1363
01:29:14,911 --> 01:29:18,271
engagement that stuff does is hours and hours hundreds of

1364
01:29:18,271 --> 01:29:21,231
hours, um, throughout the city. And I just want to

1365
01:29:21,231 --> 01:29:24,471
acknowledge you for doing that. And you've managed to encapsulate

1366
01:29:24,471 --> 01:29:26,791
it all in multiple reports to us. What we're seeing

1367
01:29:26,791 --> 01:29:29,991
here tonight is isn't, you know, just one report. This

1368
01:29:29,991 --> 01:29:32,391
is one of several that we've seen, um, over many,

1369
01:29:32,431 --> 01:29:37,696
many, many months. So thank you for that. I think,

1370
01:29:37,696 --> 01:29:40,136
um, I'll make a few comments here. I'm going to

1371
01:29:40,136 --> 01:29:42,736
leave the pickleball court comment for my colleagues. I know

1372
01:29:42,736 --> 01:29:45,936
he's going to want to comment on that. Um, I'm

1373
01:29:45,957 --> 01:29:47,616
really excited about a lot of things here. The parking

1374
01:29:47,637 --> 01:29:50,736
improvement for that area, the outdoor washroom that is going

1375
01:29:50,736 --> 01:29:53,056
to be accessible without having to go inside the building.

1376
01:29:53,056 --> 01:29:57,056
Amazing. The planning for shade. This is going to add

1377
01:29:57,317 --> 01:30:00,496
so much for, I mean, not just pomoarts, but our

1378
01:30:00,536 --> 01:30:02,576
seniors, our youth. I really want to see a community

1379
01:30:02,677 --> 01:30:04,736
garden here. I was so glad to see that included

1380
01:30:04,997 --> 01:30:08,576
in the latest iteration. Thank you for that. Um, and

1381
01:30:09,317 --> 01:30:12,496
I want to recognise that, you know, the reason why

1382
01:30:12,536 --> 01:30:16,336
we're seeing a different, um, iteration here tonight of 39,

1383
01:30:16,376 --> 01:30:19,776
000 square feet versus 30 is because of all the

1384
01:30:19,776 --> 01:30:22,656
engagement that's taken place, this is, this is a design

1385
01:30:22,696 --> 01:30:24,656
that has evolved over time. And this is why you've

1386
01:30:24,696 --> 01:30:26,656
come back to us tonight and said, we need additional

1387
01:30:26,677 --> 01:30:29,616
funds because now we're looking at a 39, 000 square

1388
01:30:29,637 --> 01:30:34,096
foot, um, for changes. We need a traffic study. The

1389
01:30:34,096 --> 01:30:36,656
public engagement that you mentioned tonight has specifically brought up

1390
01:30:36,677 --> 01:30:39,296
issues that hadn't been thought of before, which is the

1391
01:30:39,336 --> 01:30:42,416
point of public input. It's literally a beautiful thing that

1392
01:30:42,757 --> 01:30:46,176
has happened here. Um, we're going to be, this, this

1393
01:30:46,597 --> 01:30:48,736
community centre is going to be meeting the needs not

1394
01:30:48,736 --> 01:30:52,656
just now, but in the future. Um, so yeah, I'm

1395
01:30:52,696 --> 01:30:55,696
obviously very excited. I do want to acknowledge that there

1396
01:30:55,736 --> 01:30:59,376
have been some, um, uh, criticisms from members of the

1397
01:30:59,376 --> 01:31:01,696
public who don't want us to build this and or

1398
01:31:01,736 --> 01:31:05,376
want us to save it until the next council or

1399
01:31:05,416 --> 01:31:08,887
want us to just patch the roof instead. And to

1400
01:31:08,887 --> 01:31:12,967
that I say this has come so far in such

1401
01:31:13,948 --> 01:31:16,087
a long period of time. And I'm really happy with

1402
01:31:16,108 --> 01:31:18,087
the work that's been done so far. And I think

1403
01:31:18,087 --> 01:31:20,887
we should proceed. And I'm happy to proceed. I have,

1404
01:31:20,927 --> 01:31:23,767
I have great trust in staff. The one thing I

1405
01:31:23,807 --> 01:31:26,967
will say from my own perspective and having spent a

1406
01:31:26,967 --> 01:31:29,447
lot of time at the new moody elementary is what

1407
01:31:29,487 --> 01:31:33,127
will be important here going forward is, um, managing the

1408
01:31:33,127 --> 01:31:36,167
budget and sticking to it. Um, I was really, really

1409
01:31:36,188 --> 01:31:39,847
impressed with the work done at Moody Elementary. They had

1410
01:31:39,887 --> 01:31:42,007
a budget. They stuck to it. It was delivered on

1411
01:31:42,028 --> 01:31:46,407
time. And, um, on budget. And so it can be

1412
01:31:46,447 --> 01:31:49,527
done. So once I realised we're only at a class

1413
01:31:49,628 --> 01:31:52,567
D estimates at this at this time, but, um, I

1414
01:31:52,588 --> 01:31:57,127
really will be looking for that for Council to be

1415
01:31:57,167 --> 01:31:59,847
really, really tough on the budget when the time comes.

1416
01:31:59,847 --> 01:32:02,647
But overall this looks wonderful. I'm very excited. I believe

1417
01:32:03,068 --> 01:32:06,007
my colleague is going to, um, make a motion arising

1418
01:32:06,188 --> 01:32:10,147
or perhaps amend the emotion, um, with regards to, um,

1419
01:32:10,428 --> 01:32:13,047
an idea regarding Pomar arts. And I look forward to

1420
01:32:13,047 --> 01:32:15,607
that. Um, but just overall, thank you so much. This

1421
01:32:15,607 --> 01:32:19,327
is very exciting. Thank you, Councillor. We will go to

1422
01:32:19,348 --> 01:32:22,447
Councillor Delworth. Thank you. First of all, I want to

1423
01:32:22,487 --> 01:32:25,887
say I love the building. The use of windows and

1424
01:32:25,927 --> 01:32:31,167
woods just absolutely, um, transforms that space. I'm really excited

1425
01:32:31,428 --> 01:32:35,007
about the, uh, both the internal and the external programming

1426
01:32:35,188 --> 01:32:39,087
space that's available. And I can remember the very first

1427
01:32:39,268 --> 01:32:42,847
strategic planning session that this Council had. And we talked

1428
01:32:42,887 --> 01:32:46,047
about things that we wanted to see done in our

1429
01:32:46,068 --> 01:32:51,567
term. And the revitalization of Kyle Centre was top of

1430
01:32:51,567 --> 01:32:55,087
the list of many other items. But it was up

1431
01:32:55,087 --> 01:32:57,487
there. It was, it was certainly up there. And I

1432
01:32:57,588 --> 01:33:00,687
want to say what we're doing here is we're taking

1433
01:33:01,108 --> 01:33:06,740
a 47 year old building. And transforming a building into

1434
01:33:06,780 --> 01:33:10,260
what we can see now is a very unique Kyle

1435
01:33:10,260 --> 01:33:15,780
district with significant new park space with significant new opportunities.

1436
01:33:15,780 --> 01:33:18,340
And I think that is just a part of the

1437
01:33:18,521 --> 01:33:21,620
evolution of that side of the city. And certainly in

1438
01:33:21,721 --> 01:33:25,540
moody centre, giving the residents of Moody Centre a really,

1439
01:33:25,540 --> 01:33:34,228
really, um, expansive gathering space. I'm very happy. And, you

1440
01:33:34,228 --> 01:33:37,048
know, reading through all the engagement summaries, I'm seeing the

1441
01:33:37,048 --> 01:33:39,448
lot of other, uh, people in this community that are

1442
01:33:39,488 --> 01:33:43,768
quite excited about this. Um, I do note that there

1443
01:33:43,789 --> 01:33:47,688
will be another consultation with the community. I have two

1444
01:33:47,709 --> 01:33:53,349
questions, if I may. The first question is, can through

1445
01:33:53,349 --> 01:33:55,509
to staff, can you please remind me if this building

1446
01:33:55,530 --> 01:33:59,589
is going to be constructed to any of the environmental

1447
01:33:59,690 --> 01:34:03,349
standards, whether it's a lead standard, whether it's the Rick

1448
01:34:03,389 --> 01:34:10,629
Hanson accessibility standard, programs, are we actually building this to

1449
01:34:10,650 --> 01:34:14,149
any of those standards, whether we're applying for the designation

1450
01:34:14,170 --> 01:34:16,149
or not, because I know we can build it to

1451
01:34:16,250 --> 01:34:20,149
the standards without actually applying for the designation. Can you

1452
01:34:20,189 --> 01:34:23,589
remind me where we're at? Yes, through the chair, we're

1453
01:34:23,589 --> 01:34:28,309
targeting lead gold standard in terms of sustainability. And Rick

1454
01:34:28,349 --> 01:34:33,267
Hanson Gold in terms of accessibility and inclusion. We must

1455
01:34:33,288 --> 01:34:36,227
be coming pretty much up there as a, as a

1456
01:34:36,227 --> 01:34:42,707
leader in terms of, uh, the level of sustainability mitigation

1457
01:34:42,728 --> 01:34:45,427
that we've done on, on a number of our recent

1458
01:34:45,448 --> 01:34:49,427
buildings. My last question is really nice pictures. And I

1459
01:34:49,427 --> 01:34:52,227
think we've had this discussion before. Very nice pictures of

1460
01:34:52,248 --> 01:34:57,087
the external spaces. And we know trees will grow. But

1461
01:34:57,087 --> 01:35:00,627
in terms of, uh, mitigating any heat dome effect with

1462
01:35:00,627 --> 01:35:02,947
that much open space there. I know we've talked about

1463
01:35:03,288 --> 01:35:08,547
potentially using different shade canopies to be implemented as well.

1464
01:35:08,568 --> 01:35:12,227
Can you speak further on that? So we have started

1465
01:35:12,568 --> 01:35:16,947
considerations of those things. But, uh, as we move to

1466
01:35:17,048 --> 01:35:19,387
design forward, there will be further considerations in terms of

1467
01:35:19,928 --> 01:35:24,387
additional tree locations to provide natural canopy. And in the

1468
01:35:24,387 --> 01:35:27,907
outdoor spaces, um, we will continue to look at potentially

1469
01:35:30,648 --> 01:35:34,307
something similar in the plaza area. Great. I guess my,

1470
01:35:34,307 --> 01:35:38,707
my last comment is I cannot wait to, uh, have

1471
01:35:38,707 --> 01:35:42,847
the community at the ribbon cutting of this event. And

1472
01:35:42,888 --> 01:35:47,507
with the knowledge that this building is going to supersede

1473
01:35:47,768 --> 01:35:50,867
47 years and our residents will be using it for

1474
01:35:50,888 --> 01:35:53,107
at least 50 years into the future. And I think

1475
01:35:53,128 --> 01:35:56,467
what we're, what we're proposing here is exactly what that

1476
01:35:56,648 --> 01:36:00,220
community has asked for. And, uh, what we're providing. Thank

1477
01:36:00,220 --> 01:36:07,170
you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Lubeck. Thank you so much.

1478
01:36:07,170 --> 01:36:10,930
Um, first, um, not to steal anything from my, my

1479
01:36:10,970 --> 01:36:13,330
colleague, but I really like how we're measuring Jim's in

1480
01:36:13,330 --> 01:36:18,411
pickleball courts now. Um. I very much also appreciate that

1481
01:36:18,432 --> 01:36:20,731
staff are addressing the concerns that we've heard come up

1482
01:36:20,731 --> 01:36:26,051
through public employed, especially around safety. So it's really, I

1483
01:36:26,051 --> 01:36:30,011
just really appreciate when that can be integrated. And I

1484
01:36:30,011 --> 01:36:31,771
know we do our best to integrate where we hear

1485
01:36:31,771 --> 01:36:35,706
from the public. Um, going back through not only the

1486
01:36:35,967 --> 01:36:40,746
first input session, but the most recent one, but the

1487
01:36:40,746 --> 01:36:42,986
first one, I really liked how some of the questions

1488
01:36:43,026 --> 01:36:49,063
have been framed. What we're trying to achieve here, like,

1489
01:36:49,063 --> 01:36:50,583
how do you want to feel when you enter the

1490
01:36:50,623 --> 01:36:54,198
space. And so many questions around inclusion for different user

1491
01:36:54,238 --> 01:36:56,503
groups. So I really want to say how much I

1492
01:36:56,543 --> 01:36:59,383
appreciate that. And we got so many wonderful ideas from

1493
01:36:59,423 --> 01:37:04,137
the community as well as from our advisory groups. Um,

1494
01:37:04,238 --> 01:37:07,017
and I do love the design. It's also very interesting,

1495
01:37:07,017 --> 01:37:11,497
but also in a biophilic architecture. So, you know, Billy

1496
01:37:11,497 --> 01:37:13,817
fits in with the area and blends in with the

1497
01:37:13,817 --> 01:37:17,857
nature. Um, I think this is really important for our

1498
01:37:17,897 --> 01:37:22,417
community. Um, I was looking back some of the recommendation

1499
01:37:22,417 --> 01:37:27,777
surveys and about we need more space. Even now, even

1500
01:37:27,798 --> 01:37:31,857
if we don't grow, we need more programmable space. And,

1501
01:37:31,897 --> 01:37:34,497
and I appreciate that, you know, this is an investment

1502
01:37:35,078 --> 01:37:39,613
in our community. But even if we were to try

1503
01:37:39,653 --> 01:37:43,053
to patch up Kyle Centre right now, functionally, it doesn't

1504
01:37:43,093 --> 01:37:46,768
meet our needs. There's a lot of different programming that

1505
01:37:46,768 --> 01:37:50,526
we need for seniors, for arts. Um, for gymnasium spaces.

1506
01:37:53,245 --> 01:37:55,864
And it reminded me also of the conversations we've had

1507
01:37:55,965 --> 01:38:01,647
about our, um. Our civic facilities studies. And that intergenerational

1508
01:38:01,687 --> 01:38:04,304
equity. Like in the fact that we need to be

1509
01:38:04,325 --> 01:38:09,358
investing for future generations, not just for today. We know

1510
01:38:09,539 --> 01:38:12,478
what it was like to now be thinking about rebuilding

1511
01:38:12,478 --> 01:38:15,038
our library when it was almost a capacity when it

1512
01:38:15,299 --> 01:38:19,678
was, uh, finished as much as we love the library.

1513
01:38:19,678 --> 01:38:21,918
You know, we should have been looking forward more when

1514
01:38:21,958 --> 01:38:25,052
we built that. So I do hear the concerns about

1515
01:38:25,713 --> 01:38:27,932
costs that it came up from some folks, um, and

1516
01:38:27,972 --> 01:38:29,772
we don't have a conclusion exactly of what that's going

1517
01:38:29,772 --> 01:38:32,892
to look like as far as the balance of ACCs

1518
01:38:32,892 --> 01:38:35,850
and DCCs and borrowing. Um, but I think it's also

1519
01:38:36,271 --> 01:38:39,850
important to remind folks that, um, there are grant programs

1520
01:38:39,850 --> 01:38:43,270
that are coming up now from the federal government, um,

1521
01:38:43,391 --> 01:38:45,850
like Bill Canada Strong, which also looks at matching funding

1522
01:38:45,890 --> 01:38:48,090
from the province. And being able to have things that

1523
01:38:48,351 --> 01:38:50,250
our shovel ready is that's when they want to actually

1524
01:38:50,351 --> 01:38:53,610
build them. So, you know, I appreciate that folks are

1525
01:38:53,791 --> 01:38:57,130
worried about cost. Everything is getting harder. But our staff

1526
01:38:58,271 --> 01:39:02,090
are really good at getting grants and punchable their weight

1527
01:39:02,130 --> 01:39:09,567
when it comes to applying and actually succeeding. So I

1528
01:39:09,607 --> 01:39:11,647
just have a couple of considerations that I'd like to

1529
01:39:12,148 --> 01:39:15,487
staff to keep in mind as we go. I know

1530
01:39:15,487 --> 01:39:17,967
this is still early days. Um, I did love that

1531
01:39:18,007 --> 01:39:21,487
there is community gardens. And, you know, as Kyle campus

1532
01:39:22,388 --> 01:39:25,547
grows, I hope it'll be more opportunity for that. Um.

1533
01:39:26,109 --> 01:39:28,008
One of the things that came up from some conversations

1534
01:39:28,349 --> 01:39:31,048
in the community that I was part of was if

1535
01:39:31,048 --> 01:39:32,888
there would be an opportunity for the Jim space to

1536
01:39:32,928 --> 01:39:35,208
be able to convert into a performance space of some

1537
01:39:36,109 --> 01:39:42,055
kind. I was talking to some parents around opportunities to

1538
01:39:42,095 --> 01:39:46,695
minimize stimulation for those children and other participants or other

1539
01:39:46,735 --> 01:39:50,695
participants who may need calm reflective spaces, um, while they're

1540
01:39:50,695 --> 01:39:54,722
taking part in programming. Um, and as we started talking

1541
01:39:54,762 --> 01:39:58,242
about, um, covered areas, I know that that was a

1542
01:39:58,663 --> 01:40:01,442
comment that I took to heart having cover spaces in

1543
01:40:01,442 --> 01:40:04,642
the plaza, especially for seniors to be able to gather

1544
01:40:04,903 --> 01:40:07,602
and to chat, um, and to be able to use

1545
01:40:07,642 --> 01:40:10,482
that plaza in all, in all weather. I think that's

1546
01:40:10,522 --> 01:40:13,619
really important. And also my last comment is just around

1547
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,939
the shade structures. I think that that's really important. I

1548
01:40:16,939 --> 01:40:19,939
appreciate that. I'll come later. Um, I think that's also

1549
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:22,739
an opportunity for art pieces as well. I know I've

1550
01:40:22,779 --> 01:40:28,339
seen in certain, well, global communities either doing community art

1551
01:40:28,379 --> 01:40:33,219
projects that involve creating sales or what have you. So

1552
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,579
just to think outside the box and fars when we're

1553
01:40:36,579 --> 01:40:40,099
trying to create, um, you know, the shade structures or

1554
01:40:40,139 --> 01:40:43,619
any other structures, if we can incorporate artistic elements as

1555
01:40:43,619 --> 01:40:47,517
well. That's it. Thank you. Thank you very much, Councillor.

1556
01:40:48,393 --> 01:40:53,972
Councillor Larbecky. Thank you. Um, so I greatly appreciate the

1557
01:40:53,972 --> 01:40:57,322
work that has been done. And here we are in

1558
01:40:57,362 --> 01:40:59,882
July ahead of October at a meeting where we have

1559
01:40:59,882 --> 01:41:04,122
no public input. You know, talking about spending more money

1560
01:41:04,783 --> 01:41:07,082
to move forward on things like just what is actually

1561
01:41:07,263 --> 01:41:10,442
for as part of it was described 150, 000 cover

1562
01:41:11,183 --> 01:41:13,562
being larger size and the planning for that, but also

1563
01:41:13,583 --> 01:41:20,042
traffic analysis, archaeological assessment, uh, staff and contingency. That is,

1564
01:41:20,042 --> 01:41:26,282
um, moving ahead on a major infrastructure project at immense

1565
01:41:26,383 --> 01:41:29,082
cost to our community that to be frank, I do

1566
01:41:29,122 --> 01:41:33,082
not understand the mandate we have on. So I just,

1567
01:41:33,082 --> 01:41:35,322
and that is not a comment on the design work,

1568
01:41:35,322 --> 01:41:36,522
anything like that. I think this is very exciting. It's

1569
01:41:36,623 --> 01:41:39,242
wonderful. It's come to the committees. We've had a few

1570
01:41:39,282 --> 01:41:42,202
open houses. Um, eventually this is going to be a

1571
01:41:42,242 --> 01:41:45,186
need for our community. Depending what happens in Moody Centre

1572
01:41:45,207 --> 01:41:48,706
to be frank, especially around the densification of that area.

1573
01:41:48,706 --> 01:41:50,306
But I do want to point out to the engagement

1574
01:41:50,346 --> 01:41:53,586
so far. Round two of engagement minors standing. It's had

1575
01:41:53,586 --> 01:41:56,306
about 40 people at the open house in 75 surveys

1576
01:41:56,346 --> 01:42:00,466
completed. Um, the round one of that total engagement from

1577
01:42:00,466 --> 01:42:04,754
my understanding was about just over 300 people. So I

1578
01:42:04,775 --> 01:42:07,954
just don't feel like the enthusiasm for marching ahead just

1579
01:42:07,994 --> 01:42:12,834
before an election on such a massive capital, uh, infrastructure

1580
01:42:12,935 --> 01:42:17,234
project could be gleamed from this, these, this input that

1581
01:42:17,234 --> 01:42:19,314
we've had. And the input that we did have, that

1582
01:42:19,354 --> 01:42:22,674
one of the top concerns was cost. It impacted taxpayers.

1583
01:42:22,674 --> 01:42:26,834
And that is a very legitimate concern. Um, so I'm

1584
01:42:26,855 --> 01:42:29,554
very fine to give input tonight. And I think that

1585
01:42:29,655 --> 01:42:32,034
it's, it's gone through the committees and it's a very

1586
01:42:32,034 --> 01:42:34,794
thoughtful design. And I feel very comfortable about, okay, we

1587
01:42:34,794 --> 01:42:37,154
have this now. We have a vision. We know what

1588
01:42:37,194 --> 01:42:40,834
we're working towards. Am I comfortable spending another 150, 000

1589
01:42:40,874 --> 01:42:44,034
dollars to get permitting and stuff this summer. Uh, I'm

1590
01:42:44,074 --> 01:42:48,114
not. And I don't think enough members of our community

1591
01:42:48,455 --> 01:42:50,594
are on board or even know what we're talking about

1592
01:42:50,695 --> 01:42:54,014
right now for me to feel comfortable with that. Uh,

1593
01:42:54,014 --> 01:42:57,874
so I will be calling for, for separation on this.

1594
01:42:57,874 --> 01:43:00,634
And I will not be supporting the increased funding. I

1595
01:43:00,634 --> 01:43:03,314
think regardless of who's sitting here next term, it's going

1596
01:43:03,314 --> 01:43:05,554
to be the next council is going to be deciding

1597
01:43:06,455 --> 01:43:08,434
how to proceed, what to see, what does it look

1598
01:43:08,434 --> 01:43:10,494
like and what the future of call centre is? And

1599
01:43:10,494 --> 01:43:12,274
I think there needs to be a mandate from the

1600
01:43:12,375 --> 01:43:15,314
public. Uh, this is kind of like discussing the icing

1601
01:43:15,354 --> 01:43:17,899
on a cake when we don't own an oven. Right.

1602
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:20,539
It's kind of bizarre to me that we're so focused

1603
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:24,039
in on, on, um, the insights of this building. And

1604
01:43:24,039 --> 01:43:25,339
we have no idea how we're going to pay for

1605
01:43:25,339 --> 01:43:28,379
this. How much is even going to cost. So I

1606
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,979
really appreciate the work of staff. I'm comfortable where this

1607
01:43:32,019 --> 01:43:33,579
is at. I think we need to put a bit

1608
01:43:33,579 --> 01:43:38,219
of a pause. Three months won't do much except for

1609
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:41,099
allow a relook at this in a new context of

1610
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,219
what the next term will look like. So and we

1611
01:43:44,219 --> 01:43:46,439
can hear better from the public at that time, I'm

1612
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:53,892
hoping. Thank you. Thank you. Um, Councillor Agterapp. Thank you.

1613
01:43:53,932 --> 01:43:59,492
Um, there was 29 pages of public like verbatim comments

1614
01:43:59,532 --> 01:44:04,052
that, uh, Council received and cost came up 34 times.

1615
01:44:04,052 --> 01:44:07,972
And I appreciate, uh, that there is concern about how

1616
01:44:08,012 --> 01:44:09,812
we're going to pay for this. And I also appreciate

1617
01:44:10,073 --> 01:44:14,372
Councillor Lubick for bringing up like the shovel ready to

1618
01:44:14,412 --> 01:44:16,132
get some of these grants. We need to have shovel

1619
01:44:16,553 --> 01:44:19,812
ready things, but also people talked about cost as like

1620
01:44:19,812 --> 01:44:25,261
adding more parking. So the cost benefit. So it wasn't

1621
01:44:25,362 --> 01:44:27,661
only concern about how we're going to pay for that.

1622
01:44:27,661 --> 01:44:32,143
Although I definitely hear that. I was curious about when

1623
01:44:32,404 --> 01:44:35,103
Kyle Centre was built, there was about, uh, 12, 000

1624
01:44:35,143 --> 01:44:39,103
people in Port Moody. And that works out to basically

1625
01:44:40,324 --> 01:44:43,803
5. 4 square feet per person. Um, and then, you

1626
01:44:43,803 --> 01:44:45,663
know, I guess at the time we still had the

1627
01:44:45,764 --> 01:44:48,303
ice sheet and the curling rank, um, and then in

1628
01:44:48,564 --> 01:44:51,103
2008, there was the expansion of what we have today

1629
01:44:51,364 --> 01:44:53,743
at the rec centre. And I'm, I moved here just

1630
01:44:53,783 --> 01:44:57,343
before that. And it was under construction. And now between

1631
01:44:57,444 --> 01:45:01,503
Kyle and, um, our rec centre, we have 175, 000

1632
01:45:01,543 --> 01:45:03,823
square feet, which works out to 4. 3 square feet

1633
01:45:03,844 --> 01:45:06,783
per person. So, um, where I'm going with this is

1634
01:45:06,804 --> 01:45:10,463
that, you know, we are at sitting around 39, 000

1635
01:45:10,503 --> 01:45:12,543
square feet, but also there was a number of comments

1636
01:45:12,564 --> 01:45:16,043
in there saying add another floor, build it bigger, um,

1637
01:45:16,084 --> 01:45:19,423
for the future. And, um, I hear that. And I

1638
01:45:19,423 --> 01:45:22,863
also can hear the concern about cost. So that's definitely

1639
01:45:22,863 --> 01:45:27,743
a balancing act. Um, I'm comfortable with the request for

1640
01:45:27,844 --> 01:45:31,983
148, 000. I think what staff is asking for is

1641
01:45:32,023 --> 01:45:34,063
very reasonable. And it will take us to the next

1642
01:45:34,244 --> 01:45:37,823
stage. Regardless of what happens in the election, there will

1643
01:45:37,863 --> 01:45:41,343
still be time to turn, you know, to turn the

1644
01:45:41,383 --> 01:45:44,543
ship if that is the will of the next council.

1645
01:45:44,543 --> 01:45:46,703
But in the meantime, I think we should still proceed

1646
01:45:48,084 --> 01:45:52,223
with and referencing all the positive comments and the wants.

1647
01:45:52,223 --> 01:45:54,223
And there. I did have a question. Um, the kitchen

1648
01:45:54,404 --> 01:45:56,903
that's in Kyle Centre right now, is it going to

1649
01:45:56,903 --> 01:45:59,623
be similar? Like it's still like a warming kitchen. So

1650
01:45:59,623 --> 01:46:02,863
it's, it's, we're not losing anything. I see nodding heads.

1651
01:46:02,863 --> 01:46:07,503
Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um, I wrote a lot of

1652
01:46:07,543 --> 01:46:11,655
notes and now I've lost my spot. I like, um,

1653
01:46:12,736 --> 01:46:16,295
the idea of more covered spaces in the plaza. Um,

1654
01:46:17,136 --> 01:46:20,075
I remember during the pandemic, the covered space out here

1655
01:46:20,816 --> 01:46:23,315
and over to the side here was well used. I

1656
01:46:23,315 --> 01:46:26,295
would walk by here to return a library book. And

1657
01:46:26,295 --> 01:46:29,435
I would see, um, the group of seniors sitting with

1658
01:46:30,016 --> 01:46:33,355
their lawn chairs, you know, in a circle gathering in

1659
01:46:33,395 --> 01:46:36,395
an open air space, but still undercover, um, given that

1660
01:46:36,435 --> 01:46:41,475
we have, you know, torrential rains. Also heat domes, I

1661
01:46:41,475 --> 01:46:43,915
think covered spaces are going to be welcomed by many

1662
01:46:43,936 --> 01:46:51,502
people. Um. Quiet spaces was also another, another aspect that

1663
01:46:51,542 --> 01:46:55,582
I've heard as well, like needing that low stimulation space.

1664
01:46:56,276 --> 01:46:58,735
And the ceiling heights was mentioned, but I'm assuming that

1665
01:46:58,836 --> 01:47:05,295
it's appropriate for volleyball, basketball, pickleball, many uses. And I

1666
01:47:05,295 --> 01:47:09,375
like that we're adding another multipurpose gymnasium given the popularity

1667
01:47:09,415 --> 01:47:13,935
of the two, the double gymnasium that we have now.

1668
01:47:13,935 --> 01:47:16,015
And knowing that it can be hard for, um, people

1669
01:47:16,756 --> 01:47:18,455
to, there's not a lot of time just to do

1670
01:47:18,596 --> 01:47:22,255
drop in, shoot some hoops or play around in the,

1671
01:47:22,255 --> 01:47:25,935
so appreciate that we're getting another potentially getting another space.

1672
01:47:25,935 --> 01:47:28,415
Um, the only sort of comment that I didn't see

1673
01:47:28,596 --> 01:47:32,075
in, in the feedback that I would say is, um,

1674
01:47:32,516 --> 01:47:38,735
look for efficient construction methods, um, I know, um, mass

1675
01:47:38,735 --> 01:47:40,895
timber is being contemplated, but also some of the other

1676
01:47:41,396 --> 01:47:46,415
sort of newer construction methods like panelized that is being,

1677
01:47:46,415 --> 01:47:49,535
um, built off site and then just popped up. So,

1678
01:47:49,535 --> 01:47:54,335
um, I think that has some, some ability to minimize,

1679
01:47:54,335 --> 01:47:57,215
um, the construction cost, though recognising digging a hole is

1680
01:47:57,236 --> 01:47:59,855
probably the most costly, importing the foundation is the most

1681
01:47:59,895 --> 01:48:02,575
costly part of the building. So appreciate all the work.

1682
01:48:02,575 --> 01:48:05,455
Um, look forward to the next step and see how

1683
01:48:05,476 --> 01:48:08,015
this shakes out in the fall. Thanks. Thank you. Councillor

1684
01:48:08,055 --> 01:48:11,635
Morrison. Thank you. Um, I just want to start off

1685
01:48:11,675 --> 01:48:14,655
by saying thank you very much for the feedback. Um,

1686
01:48:14,655 --> 01:48:18,275
I really enjoyed reading the different input from our community.

1687
01:48:18,275 --> 01:48:20,435
And I'm also want to recognise the passion of the

1688
01:48:20,456 --> 01:48:23,875
community and that there is a big need for all

1689
01:48:23,896 --> 01:48:27,395
different levels of services and different needs that aren't necessarily

1690
01:48:27,416 --> 01:48:31,555
able to be delivered in Port Moody yet. Um, whether

1691
01:48:31,576 --> 01:48:34,595
that is the quiet spaces that my colleagues talk about

1692
01:48:35,096 --> 01:48:38,435
or the push for cafe social spaces, um, within the

1693
01:48:38,475 --> 01:48:42,755
building or seniors and quiet zones or outdoor spaces to

1694
01:48:42,755 --> 01:48:46,275
be able to have get togethers and stuff. I recognise

1695
01:48:46,315 --> 01:48:48,915
that the need for a senior facility. There's a need

1696
01:48:48,955 --> 01:48:52,835
for a bigger recreation facility. There's need for youth spaces

1697
01:48:52,875 --> 01:48:56,035
to gather. Um, there's need for expansion for our arts

1698
01:48:56,075 --> 01:48:59,155
community to be able to, um, utilise that programming and

1699
01:48:59,155 --> 01:49:00,755
the demand on those programming because they run such a

1700
01:49:00,755 --> 01:49:03,715
great program. So I just want to say that I

1701
01:49:03,755 --> 01:49:06,915
appreciate all these different angles coming. And it's very, very

1702
01:49:07,016 --> 01:49:09,875
hard as well when you're seeing this need to not

1703
01:49:09,896 --> 01:49:11,955
say, let's do it all. How can we do it

1704
01:49:11,955 --> 01:49:14,915
all? And, you know, 39, 000 square feet I want

1705
01:49:14,915 --> 01:49:17,475
to commend staff for the fact that they expanded that

1706
01:49:17,515 --> 01:49:21,075
size with council's direction on looking at those other needs

1707
01:49:22,056 --> 01:49:24,035
as well as figuring out how we can make these

1708
01:49:24,216 --> 01:49:26,595
spaces as multi - use as possible so that there

1709
01:49:26,635 --> 01:49:29,235
is the ability to transition, for example, in the evenings

1710
01:49:29,235 --> 01:49:31,395
to a different use or earlier in the mornings to

1711
01:49:31,395 --> 01:49:32,915
a different use in some of these spaces. So I

1712
01:49:32,915 --> 01:49:36,734
want to recognise that. Um, as far as my comments

1713
01:49:36,755 --> 01:49:38,574
in regards to the look of it, and I appreciate

1714
01:49:38,595 --> 01:49:41,614
the fact that the playground aspect of it is just

1715
01:49:41,654 --> 01:49:44,894
placeholders right now, um, I, I hope they remain as

1716
01:49:45,155 --> 01:49:47,374
placeholders and that there is a bigger discussion in regards

1717
01:49:47,795 --> 01:49:51,854
to playground use, um, whether there's consideration of the possibility

1718
01:49:51,854 --> 01:49:54,334
of a mint small water park for us cooling capabilities

1719
01:49:54,515 --> 01:49:56,974
or cooling centre capabilities in that area, which is very

1720
01:49:57,014 --> 01:50:00,254
much a heat island area of the city. Um, as

1721
01:50:00,294 --> 01:50:05,814
we know, Moody Centre is, um, I also want to

1722
01:50:05,814 --> 01:50:10,734
recognise the cost as well, as was mentioned by some

1723
01:50:10,774 --> 01:50:14,014
of my colleagues. And the community as well. They're worried

1724
01:50:14,014 --> 01:50:16,014
about this and how it's going to be paid for.

1725
01:50:16,014 --> 01:50:18,814
And the ton of information out in regards to that.

1726
01:50:18,814 --> 01:50:21,534
We're getting there. But, um, I think that that'll be

1727
01:50:21,555 --> 01:50:24,174
a key component. So I'm a little bit, like I'm

1728
01:50:24,195 --> 01:50:27,614
enthusiastic about the idea of providing such a really cool

1729
01:50:27,875 --> 01:50:30,014
amenity that's going to be, you know, for the future

1730
01:50:30,915 --> 01:50:32,734
for future residents that are coming in as well as

1731
01:50:32,755 --> 01:50:36,334
serving our existing community. The fact that west side port

1732
01:50:36,355 --> 01:50:39,534
moody is going to have a proper good size recreation

1733
01:50:39,574 --> 01:50:41,454
centre to be able to get to without having to

1734
01:50:41,494 --> 01:50:43,454
drive all the way down St. John Street to our

1735
01:50:43,475 --> 01:50:46,574
rec centre over here. Um, is going to massively cut

1736
01:50:46,595 --> 01:50:49,774
down their commute times. Um, and maybe even permit to

1737
01:50:49,795 --> 01:50:53,614
active transportation or, or using, um, alternative modes like buses,

1738
01:50:53,614 --> 01:50:56,174
et cetera. So I'm excited about that aspect of it

1739
01:50:56,275 --> 01:50:57,694
as well as the growth that's going to happen in

1740
01:50:57,694 --> 01:51:01,134
the area around it. Um, so, but the cost thing

1741
01:51:01,134 --> 01:51:04,734
is, is, is a moment of pause for me because

1742
01:51:04,774 --> 01:51:07,214
I know things can get expensive. And I am going

1743
01:51:07,214 --> 01:51:09,694
to be pushing very, very hard for any type of

1744
01:51:09,795 --> 01:51:13,214
partnerships, reduction and cost efficiencies, et cetera. As we go

1745
01:51:13,214 --> 01:51:16,174
through this process and those discussions happen on how we

1746
01:51:16,214 --> 01:51:20,014
can deliver the most, whether it's square footage wise or,

1747
01:51:20,054 --> 01:51:23,294
or amenities or whichever into this space for the lowest

1748
01:51:23,475 --> 01:51:27,374
cost possible while still, you know, following along our climate

1749
01:51:27,475 --> 01:51:30,814
commitment goals, but maybe not as far as what might

1750
01:51:30,854 --> 01:51:33,614
be, um, you know, the leaders of the entire lower

1751
01:51:33,654 --> 01:51:35,214
mainland, if that's going to make a big difference in

1752
01:51:35,214 --> 01:51:36,974
the cost. So I want to look at all those

1753
01:51:36,995 --> 01:51:39,774
angles on those different cost pricing to see if we

1754
01:51:39,814 --> 01:51:42,974
can shave five million, three million, whatever it happens to

1755
01:51:43,014 --> 01:51:45,614
be off the cost, but still deliver a world -

1756
01:51:45,614 --> 01:51:48,654
class facility that I know that our residents need. So

1757
01:51:49,155 --> 01:51:52,734
I'm supportive of the extra cost here. Um, I understand

1758
01:51:52,755 --> 01:51:57,374
that there's some potential savings in time and also potential

1759
01:51:57,395 --> 01:52:00,014
cause. This could be made back just in time savings,

1760
01:52:00,014 --> 01:52:03,134
et cetera, and being able to utilise, um, planning without

1761
01:52:03,155 --> 01:52:06,174
having to feel like we're rushing or taking a step

1762
01:52:06,355 --> 01:52:08,414
too quickly. So I can see this coming back later

1763
01:52:08,454 --> 01:52:11,054
on in the process. So I'm okay with this an

1764
01:52:11,054 --> 01:52:12,814
expenditure. So thank you for that. And those are my

1765
01:52:12,814 --> 01:52:15,454
comments. Thank you. Um, yeah, I'm not going to add

1766
01:52:15,555 --> 01:52:18,094
a lot to what was said, but I do want

1767
01:52:18,115 --> 01:52:20,814
to, uh, sort of emphasize some of the points that

1768
01:52:20,835 --> 01:52:22,894
were made. And I think Councillor Lubick really hit on

1769
01:52:22,934 --> 01:52:25,934
one that I was, that I think that is really

1770
01:52:25,974 --> 01:52:27,934
important for us to keep in mind. And that is

1771
01:52:27,974 --> 01:52:30,654
around the grants and the fact that, um, the more

1772
01:52:30,694 --> 01:52:33,934
detailed design that we get to, um, the, the better

1773
01:52:33,974 --> 01:52:36,494
position we will place the city in to get that

1774
01:52:36,675 --> 01:52:40,814
funding from the, from the federal government. So I'm, the

1775
01:52:40,814 --> 01:52:42,254
only other comment that I would say on that is

1776
01:52:42,294 --> 01:52:44,494
that the only way to find out what the cost

1777
01:52:44,515 --> 01:52:47,054
is, is to get those to get to that detailed

1778
01:52:47,075 --> 01:52:50,014
design place so that we can actually get those numbers

1779
01:52:50,115 --> 01:52:52,654
on the table so that we can see that what

1780
01:52:52,694 --> 01:52:54,894
we're dealing with. And then we, then we go to

1781
01:52:54,894 --> 01:52:56,894
the next step where we're figuring out, well, how are

1782
01:52:56,894 --> 01:52:59,054
we going to pay for this? And that needs to

1783
01:52:59,075 --> 01:53:03,294
come. Um, I'm, I also feel very comfortable, um, with

1784
01:53:03,795 --> 01:53:06,814
the increase, uh, for the reasons that we're explained around

1785
01:53:07,315 --> 01:53:10,334
the change in the scope and the necessity to increase

1786
01:53:10,435 --> 01:53:14,974
those into sort of add those things to the, to

1787
01:53:15,075 --> 01:53:17,354
the planning right now in order so that we can

1788
01:53:17,354 --> 01:53:20,494
actually capture some of the issues that the community brought

1789
01:53:20,494 --> 01:53:23,774
up. Um, so I'm comfortable with that. And I'm also

1790
01:53:23,875 --> 01:53:26,894
comfortable with the, um, utilising the funding source that staff

1791
01:53:26,915 --> 01:53:31,914
have recommended, which is the, uh, community amenity contribution, uh,

1792
01:53:32,115 --> 01:53:35,534
reserve. Um, you know, when I look at this project

1793
01:53:36,755 --> 01:53:40,894
and I sort of think about Kyle, the Kyle campus.

1794
01:53:40,894 --> 01:53:42,294
And what we're trying to achieve here, we have to

1795
01:53:42,595 --> 01:53:44,894
also remember that those renderings will be changed and they

1796
01:53:44,934 --> 01:53:48,574
will be further refined as we get into further details.

1797
01:53:48,574 --> 01:53:53,454
Um, and we'll be making some announcements in the area

1798
01:53:53,795 --> 01:53:56,494
that are going to change this almost immediately in terms

1799
01:53:56,494 --> 01:54:00,014
of the, um, the, I guess, how that, how that

1800
01:54:00,014 --> 01:54:03,994
will unfold. Um, so I'm really excited about that. Um,

1801
01:54:03,994 --> 01:54:08,734
but when I think about what, how, uh, area is

1802
01:54:08,734 --> 01:54:11,214
being used right now, I really always go back to

1803
01:54:11,254 --> 01:54:14,494
the art centre. And the fact that, um, the art

1804
01:54:14,675 --> 01:54:19,454
centre and the, um, the, the folks at the art

1805
01:54:19,715 --> 01:54:23,054
centre are providing, they're really the arts arm of the

1806
01:54:23,094 --> 01:54:26,334
city. And what we've been hearing from them as recently

1807
01:54:26,374 --> 01:54:29,694
as even, I think earlier this year was that they're

1808
01:54:29,875 --> 01:54:33,694
very, um, constrained in the space that they have. They're

1809
01:54:33,715 --> 01:54:36,254
very, they, they would love to be able to expand

1810
01:54:36,675 --> 01:54:40,574
their programming and, um, look for other ways to provide

1811
01:54:40,595 --> 01:54:43,774
that service to the, to the residents. Um, of Court

1812
01:54:43,875 --> 01:54:48,174
Booney and to partner with the city to achieve that

1813
01:54:48,355 --> 01:54:52,334
goal. Um, and so I always have always thought of

1814
01:54:52,435 --> 01:54:57,194
this building as being, um, an expansion for, you know,

1815
01:54:57,315 --> 01:55:01,134
as the potential for expanding, um, the facility, the art

1816
01:55:01,235 --> 01:55:06,014
centre facility as well. And I appreciate the, um, the,

1817
01:55:06,054 --> 01:55:10,094
the mention of the art space, um, at that during,

1818
01:55:10,094 --> 01:55:14,494
during the presentation. And, and do really feel very strongly

1819
01:55:14,595 --> 01:55:19,454
that we need to be, um, pushing that, um, and

1820
01:55:19,454 --> 01:55:21,694
really working with the art centre folks to try and

1821
01:55:22,355 --> 01:55:25,934
ensure that, um, we're providing the space that's required for

1822
01:55:25,934 --> 01:55:29,294
that increase in programming. I think that for us, it's

1823
01:55:29,555 --> 01:55:32,174
really, it's really going to come down to cost again

1824
01:55:32,275 --> 01:55:35,294
in terms of all the comments that were made previously.

1825
01:55:35,294 --> 01:55:39,054
We need to get to that detailed phase. And in

1826
01:55:39,054 --> 01:55:42,254
speaking with staff today, um, in order to assist us

1827
01:55:42,275 --> 01:55:45,894
in understanding, um, what that might look like, I think

1828
01:55:45,894 --> 01:55:49,134
that we should be giving direction at this time for,

1829
01:55:49,235 --> 01:55:52,974
for, um, for staff to do some analysis and some

1830
01:55:52,974 --> 01:55:55,854
feasibilities around, uh, what would it look like if we

1831
01:55:55,875 --> 01:56:01,054
allocated some space to specifically dedicate it for space for

1832
01:56:01,094 --> 01:56:03,854
the art centre? Um, so with that, I'd like to

1833
01:56:04,195 --> 01:56:09,614
move, um, the following amendment, our additional motion to what's

1834
01:56:09,614 --> 01:56:13,534
being presented here. And that is that staff report back

1835
01:56:13,555 --> 01:56:20,748
on the financial feasibility. Of allocating the second floor of

1836
01:56:20,748 --> 01:56:26,668
multipurpose room for dedicated space for art, centre, program expansion.

1837
01:56:26,668 --> 01:56:30,668
And report back, um, and to report back during the

1838
01:56:30,689 --> 01:56:33,868
detailed design phase. So that we can have all the

1839
01:56:33,908 --> 01:56:36,188
information in front of us so that we can best

1840
01:56:36,289 --> 01:56:39,548
understand what that, what that would look like. And we

1841
01:56:39,548 --> 01:56:42,888
can continue those conversations with the art centre folks, um,

1842
01:56:43,009 --> 01:56:46,335
and trying to integrate. And help them along in expanding

1843
01:56:46,356 --> 01:56:49,775
their opportunities in the city. So, um, that's been, that's

1844
01:56:49,815 --> 01:56:52,015
a motion that I'd like to, okay, it's been moved

1845
01:56:52,036 --> 01:56:55,855
in seconded. Um, thank you for that. I'll go to

1846
01:56:55,876 --> 01:57:03,079
Councillor Knowles. Yeah. Thank you for that Mayor. Um. This

1847
01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:05,399
is something I think is very important. We know that

1848
01:57:05,980 --> 01:57:09,799
Pomartz has outgrown its space. And it actually has so

1849
01:57:09,799 --> 01:57:14,039
many opportunities ahead of it. Um, for programming. And it's

1850
01:57:14,079 --> 01:57:17,079
actually now, we need to remember it's not for Martin's

1851
01:57:17,079 --> 01:57:20,839
anymore. It's pomo arts and the visitor centre. Yes. Right.

1852
01:57:20,879 --> 01:57:23,779
Um, they have taken on a whole new role. And

1853
01:57:23,779 --> 01:57:26,039
in this city and are starting to direct people all

1854
01:57:26,079 --> 01:57:29,379
over the city, which is really, really impressive. So, um,

1855
01:57:29,500 --> 01:57:33,219
absolutely support this. I think this has the potential, you

1856
01:57:33,219 --> 01:57:35,879
know, and this is just one more step in our,

1857
01:57:35,980 --> 01:57:38,279
our fully embodying the city of the arts. So thank

1858
01:57:38,279 --> 01:57:41,583
you for this. Absolutely support. Thank you. I think it's

1859
01:57:41,623 --> 01:57:44,143
important to get that information so that we come from

1860
01:57:44,164 --> 01:57:48,546
a place of knowledge. Councillor Dilworth, let me just speak

1861
01:57:49,207 --> 01:57:51,506
in support of the amendment. I think in addition to

1862
01:57:51,527 --> 01:57:55,586
providing additional programming space for pormon arts, what it's also

1863
01:57:55,626 --> 01:57:58,626
giving them a certainty. Certainty in knowing that they have

1864
01:57:59,047 --> 01:58:01,186
X amount of space. And it can really help them

1865
01:58:01,767 --> 01:58:05,186
in their, both their shorter term programming and their longer

1866
01:58:05,607 --> 01:58:08,106
term programming. As I noted earlier, this is going to

1867
01:58:08,106 --> 01:58:11,106
be, this building is going to be there for use

1868
01:58:11,146 --> 01:58:14,066
for the next 50 years. So for promo arts to

1869
01:58:14,106 --> 01:58:17,186
know that they are in true partnership with the city

1870
01:58:17,287 --> 01:58:20,146
and they have allocated space in that building gives them

1871
01:58:20,887 --> 01:58:24,386
a higher level of security and certainty in terms of

1872
01:58:24,727 --> 01:58:29,889
their long - term strategic planning. Okay. Um, I don't

1873
01:58:30,070 --> 01:58:33,889
see anybody either. Oh, Councillor Morrison. Just let me copy.

1874
01:58:33,910 --> 01:58:37,729
Thank you. Um, I appreciate the, uh, amendment Mayor Latti.

1875
01:58:37,729 --> 01:58:40,929
I think that this information is good information to have.

1876
01:58:40,929 --> 01:58:44,209
Um, and also figuring out the costing, et cetera, around

1877
01:58:44,230 --> 01:58:48,289
that as well. Um, we know that providing space for

1878
01:58:48,310 --> 01:58:51,089
any community group has an expense to it. And it

1879
01:58:51,129 --> 01:58:53,389
subsidized by the city and the taxpayers, et cetera. And

1880
01:58:53,430 --> 01:58:55,969
I know that they put on awesome programs. So I'd

1881
01:58:55,969 --> 01:58:59,329
love to know more about, um, about not only the

1882
01:58:59,369 --> 01:59:03,089
cost of delivering this as a consistent space, um, to,

1883
01:59:03,129 --> 01:59:05,809
to this, this group, but also, um, you know, the

1884
01:59:05,849 --> 01:59:08,289
amazing things they're thinking about coming forward as, as part

1885
01:59:08,289 --> 01:59:10,449
of that extra space, if they got that, would that

1886
01:59:10,449 --> 01:59:12,209
be also part of this where they would talk it

1887
01:59:12,209 --> 01:59:13,569
all about that? I think that that would be something

1888
01:59:13,590 --> 01:59:16,989
that the art centre would have to take away. And

1889
01:59:16,989 --> 01:59:19,889
I, and I wouldn't presume that they would know right

1890
01:59:19,889 --> 01:59:22,449
away. They're, they're going to have to determine from a

1891
01:59:22,449 --> 01:59:27,409
business case for themselves if that's, you know, what I

1892
01:59:27,409 --> 01:59:30,689
hear, what I've heard from, um, the art centre is

1893
01:59:30,729 --> 01:59:35,469
that, um, they need to know, like, if, if, um,

1894
01:59:36,070 --> 01:59:38,289
how many square feet they're talking about and what, what,

1895
01:59:38,289 --> 01:59:40,129
what that would look like. So I think we want

1896
01:59:40,129 --> 01:59:41,889
to be able to provide that to them so that

1897
01:59:41,889 --> 01:59:43,889
they can, so that they can go back, go away

1898
01:59:45,590 --> 01:59:47,809
and do some and cringe some numbers and figure out

1899
01:59:47,849 --> 01:59:50,769
what their plan might look like. Um, this is just

1900
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:55,649
a starting place in order to try and get that,

1901
01:59:55,649 --> 02:00:00,937
those conversations going. Um, it's really important for us. Because

1902
02:00:00,958 --> 02:00:04,217
any space that's in there that's built. And if it's

1903
02:00:04,238 --> 02:00:08,537
dedicated to a specific, if it's not being used by

1904
02:00:08,537 --> 02:00:12,217
the general public, then the rest of the space needs

1905
02:00:12,217 --> 02:00:13,977
to sort of make up for that. So we need

1906
02:00:13,977 --> 02:00:16,617
to look at how we're going to, to pay for

1907
02:00:16,657 --> 02:00:19,017
that as well. So I think it's really important that

1908
02:00:19,057 --> 02:00:20,697
we get everything on the table so that we know

1909
02:00:20,697 --> 02:00:23,097
exactly what we're doing. And so as part of this,

1910
02:00:23,118 --> 02:00:26,137
there would also be some discussion about perhaps needs within

1911
02:00:26,137 --> 02:00:30,857
that space for them, whether it's ventilation or, um, I

1912
02:00:30,857 --> 02:00:32,597
would hope so. Et cetera stuff like that. You know,

1913
02:00:32,597 --> 02:00:34,697
and it may be too early to get to those

1914
02:00:34,958 --> 02:00:39,817
types of conversations for them. But, um, just from a

1915
02:00:39,857 --> 02:00:44,357
financial feasibility, if, if we're building that space and, you

1916
02:00:44,357 --> 02:00:46,937
know, what would that look like for the city? Yeah.

1917
02:00:47,038 --> 02:00:49,897
Cause some of those things are key equipment that they

1918
02:00:49,897 --> 02:00:52,777
would have to consider. And, um, just with what those

1919
02:00:52,777 --> 02:00:56,577
conversations to happen between staff and the arts centres. So

1920
02:00:56,577 --> 02:00:57,817
that way they can say this is the space that

1921
02:00:57,838 --> 02:00:59,417
you were looking at. What do you need in this

1922
02:00:59,457 --> 02:01:00,777
space to be able to do it so that way

1923
02:01:00,777 --> 02:01:02,857
that's a full part of that? We may, we may

1924
02:01:02,857 --> 02:01:05,477
not get to that detail, uh, level of detail, but

1925
02:01:05,477 --> 02:01:07,977
we need to know whether, what the cost for the

1926
02:01:08,017 --> 02:01:10,217
city is for that type of a space to be

1927
02:01:11,038 --> 02:01:14,057
allocated somewhere else. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

1928
02:01:14,718 --> 02:01:18,975
Um, okay. And I don't see any other hands. So

1929
02:01:18,975 --> 02:01:21,095
I'm going to call the question on the amendment all

1930
02:01:21,095 --> 02:01:26,037
in favor. Opposed carried. Now we're going back to the

1931
02:01:26,077 --> 02:01:28,317
main motion. I think everybody has spoken to this. So

1932
02:01:28,317 --> 02:01:30,277
I'm going to call the question on the main motion,

1933
02:01:30,277 --> 02:01:34,117
all in favor. Oh, the separation councillor. I'm sorry. Forgive

1934
02:01:34,117 --> 02:01:37,637
me. Sorry. So we'll go on the first part, which

1935
02:01:37,637 --> 02:01:42,750
is the providing the, of the feedback. All in favor.

1936
02:01:43,757 --> 02:01:47,656
Opposed carried. The second part is the additional 148, 000

1937
02:01:47,656 --> 02:01:52,362
for the scope change. All in favor. Opposed Councillor Larbecki

1938
02:01:52,362 --> 02:01:55,142
is opposed. On the third part of the motion, all

1939
02:01:55,142 --> 02:02:00,246
in favor. Opposed carry unanimously. Thank you. All right. Thank

1940
02:02:00,286 --> 02:02:02,966
you everybody for that. Uh, we'll move to the next

1941
02:02:03,867 --> 02:02:06,726
item on the agenda, which is 11. 4. The suiter

1942
02:02:06,766 --> 02:02:11,882
broke traffic improvement plan update request. I think that we

1943
02:02:13,103 --> 02:02:21,664
are looking at having a staff presentation on this. Oh,

1944
02:02:21,704 --> 02:02:26,455
Mr. Moye. I'm sorry. My bad. And I also, I

1945
02:02:26,476 --> 02:02:31,015
will note that, um, we have, uh, representative from Ani

1946
02:02:31,015 --> 02:02:34,055
in the audience. And if Council wishes to ask that

1947
02:02:34,156 --> 02:02:37,335
individual, any questions, um, with leave of Council, we can

1948
02:02:37,335 --> 02:02:40,855
invite them up to answer questions. Um, Mr. Moy. Through

1949
02:02:40,855 --> 02:02:42,595
the chair, it's not a, it's not a presentation, but

1950
02:02:42,595 --> 02:02:45,255
just a brief summary. The city and Ani have been

1951
02:02:45,255 --> 02:02:47,735
working together to implement traffic improvements in Sutter Brook over

1952
02:02:47,735 --> 02:02:50,855
the past several years. Um, the report, uh, that's in

1953
02:02:50,855 --> 02:02:53,335
the agenda package outlines a scope change, which would help

1954
02:02:53,335 --> 02:02:56,295
getting, get the remaining work done. So Ani's provided some

1955
02:02:56,316 --> 02:02:59,335
rationale for the change. And staff support this change in

1956
02:02:59,375 --> 02:03:01,495
consideration of the high impacts of the original scope of

1957
02:03:01,495 --> 02:03:05,903
work. There was, uh, there was the one way conversion,

1958
02:03:05,903 --> 02:03:07,423
which was done by the city. And then there's been

1959
02:03:07,423 --> 02:03:11,583
some addition of raise crosswalks. Um, the remaining work is,

1960
02:03:11,583 --> 02:03:15,663
is some intersection, um, changes at, at Murray and Morrissey.

1961
02:03:15,663 --> 02:03:20,623
And then particularly creating raised intersections along Morrissey, uh, Brew

1962
02:03:20,623 --> 02:03:23,983
and Sutterbrook way. Um, which from, from, from what we've

1963
02:03:23,983 --> 02:03:27,343
seen, uh, they require significant drainage changes. You have to

1964
02:03:27,383 --> 02:03:29,823
dig up the whole intersection, uh, rebuild it at a

1965
02:03:29,823 --> 02:03:32,463
slightly higher elevation, rebuild the curbs. And so you'd be

1966
02:03:32,463 --> 02:03:35,823
closing roads. Um, for, for long periods and potentially actually

1967
02:03:35,863 --> 02:03:38,223
just closing all of the roads, uh, for each intersection.

1968
02:03:38,223 --> 02:03:41,243
So I think it could be a long disruption. Um,

1969
02:03:41,524 --> 02:03:44,063
our view is changing the scope as outlined will address

1970
02:03:44,103 --> 02:03:47,183
the general traffic improvement goals. Um, that we've set out

1971
02:03:47,183 --> 02:03:49,743
to achieve with less disturbance. There may not be as

1972
02:03:49,743 --> 02:03:53,903
much of the aesthetic quality, but they would still be,

1973
02:03:53,903 --> 02:03:58,283
um, usable and anesthetically pleasing and serve the public. And

1974
02:03:58,283 --> 02:03:59,983
it would also ensure the work can be completed in

1975
02:04:00,023 --> 02:04:02,303
a shorter time period as I'm aware that residents in

1976
02:04:02,303 --> 02:04:05,003
the neighbourhood are looking forward to the work being, uh,

1977
02:04:05,044 --> 02:04:09,455
implemented and completed. What kind of feedback have you gotten

1978
02:04:09,476 --> 02:04:14,735
from the community in Suderbrook with regards to the proposed

1979
02:04:14,756 --> 02:04:20,255
changes? Through the chair that this, um, there is, that

1980
02:04:20,255 --> 02:04:22,815
may be something that, that, that, uh, the representatives from

1981
02:04:22,916 --> 02:04:25,695
Anime able to speak to better, um, this is something

1982
02:04:25,716 --> 02:04:28,495
where we've certainly had a lot of, um, or several

1983
02:04:28,516 --> 02:04:31,935
questions from residents as to the status of the work.

1984
02:04:31,935 --> 02:04:34,415
Um, but not so much, uh, on the details of

1985
02:04:34,455 --> 02:04:36,415
this change because this has been something that we're, we're

1986
02:04:36,455 --> 02:04:38,175
just looking at now. I know that the letters from

1987
02:04:38,215 --> 02:04:40,815
businesses, um, supporting this change in the, in the package

1988
02:04:40,916 --> 02:04:45,593
that Omni presented. And, um, lastly from my perspective, just

1989
02:04:45,593 --> 02:04:50,153
a question, um, if these changes that are being proposed,

1990
02:04:50,153 --> 02:04:54,073
um, they are different than what was approved, um, previously.

1991
02:04:54,073 --> 02:04:58,233
And I will, um, accept the rationale that some of

1992
02:04:58,233 --> 02:05:02,313
the, that the improvements that were made, um, immediately have

1993
02:05:02,353 --> 02:05:09,273
actually, um, had a significant impact. And if these changes

1994
02:05:09,694 --> 02:05:16,553
do not result in a significant, um, improvement, um, would

1995
02:05:16,574 --> 02:05:19,593
there be an opportunity to revisit some of the proposed

1996
02:05:19,614 --> 02:05:26,207
previously proposed changes? Through the chair, I think, um, like

1997
02:05:26,228 --> 02:05:30,347
this, this, this project also fulfills a development requirement, um,

1998
02:05:30,468 --> 02:05:32,447
from Ani. It was originally meant to be a traffic

1999
02:05:32,468 --> 02:05:34,847
signal at Capelano. That got changed to a traffic calming

2000
02:05:34,847 --> 02:05:37,707
plan. Um, and we scoped it this way. So, um,

2001
02:05:38,228 --> 02:05:40,667
we're holding a security to make sure that the, um,

2002
02:05:40,948 --> 02:05:44,927
that the work gets done in some form. Um, I

2003
02:05:44,927 --> 02:05:47,967
think it would be difficult if we complete an alternate

2004
02:05:48,007 --> 02:05:49,887
scope of work to go back and add more on

2005
02:05:50,068 --> 02:05:54,607
again. But I think the, the, the aspects that are

2006
02:05:54,647 --> 02:05:57,767
being changed would, I think those changes are going to

2007
02:05:57,767 --> 02:06:01,227
be more, um, aesthetic and of a different quality. But

2008
02:06:01,227 --> 02:06:05,147
I think the general function of traffic calming and, um,

2009
02:06:05,508 --> 02:06:10,287
and reducing that that is going to result in a

2010
02:06:10,287 --> 02:06:13,887
significant enough improvement from a technical perspective, yes. Yeah. Okay.

2011
02:06:14,388 --> 02:06:17,327
Uh, Councillor Agtrapp. Thank you. Um, since this is my

2012
02:06:17,348 --> 02:06:19,887
neighbourhood, I get a lot of questions about this as

2013
02:06:19,988 --> 02:06:24,207
Mr. Moye knows. I've also asked him. Um, I appreciate

2014
02:06:24,388 --> 02:06:27,487
that this is going to move ahead and that there's

2015
02:06:27,487 --> 02:06:30,047
going to be the 30 kilometer signs and some additional

2016
02:06:30,228 --> 02:06:34,607
speed humps. I'm curious that I walked around this neighbourhood

2017
02:06:35,268 --> 02:06:41,007
with residents that have, um, accessibility challenges and use, use

2018
02:06:41,028 --> 02:06:44,367
accessibility devices. And one of the challenges that is sort

2019
02:06:44,367 --> 02:06:48,527
of ongoing is the BRICS. And if they, um, are

2020
02:06:48,527 --> 02:06:52,607
broken, um, or some of the curbellet downs, especially where

2021
02:06:52,647 --> 02:06:55,647
I see is like brew at Morrissey, um, and Suterbrick

2022
02:06:55,668 --> 02:06:59,967
at Morrissey, those intersections and the curves. And I'm hoping,

2023
02:06:59,967 --> 02:07:02,367
and maybe staff can confirm that, um, through this work,

2024
02:07:02,948 --> 02:07:07,550
those challenges will be addressed. Through the chair, I may

2025
02:07:07,590 --> 02:07:11,950
have to, I mean, if, if there is real accessibility

2026
02:07:11,971 --> 02:07:15,550
issues or trip hazards, um, there's a, there's a division

2027
02:07:16,051 --> 02:07:18,430
in the property line. So some is on the city

2028
02:07:18,470 --> 02:07:20,190
side, which we need to take care of. And some

2029
02:07:20,230 --> 02:07:23,550
is on the, um, the Cetterbrook side, which Ani would

2030
02:07:23,550 --> 02:07:25,790
take care of. So, um, I mean, we'll certainly inspect

2031
02:07:25,811 --> 02:07:28,990
that and improve any sort of changes before we put

2032
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:32,445
down fresh paint on, on that. Okay. That's great. I

2033
02:07:32,445 --> 02:07:35,725
think, um, right now, like having travelled through that area,

2034
02:07:35,725 --> 02:07:37,725
and I can talk to you later, is there about

2035
02:07:37,746 --> 02:07:40,125
50 - 50, some's on ours and thumbs on the

2036
02:07:40,125 --> 02:07:42,445
other side. So, um, I just hope that those get

2037
02:07:42,445 --> 02:07:47,565
addressed as work continues through here, especially when you're missing

2038
02:07:47,746 --> 02:07:53,485
like parts or their damage. It becomes challenging for some

2039
02:07:53,485 --> 02:07:55,757
people to navigate that area. But I'm looking forward to

2040
02:07:55,797 --> 02:07:59,597
the completion of this. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Councillor Larbecki.

2041
02:08:00,659 --> 02:08:05,038
Thank you. Um, yes, we get, yeah, a lot of,

2042
02:08:05,038 --> 02:08:09,838
uh, feedback, input concerns over traffic issues and accessibility mobility

2043
02:08:09,878 --> 02:08:12,958
issues in this neighbourhood. I guess I have a question

2044
02:08:13,139 --> 02:08:17,278
maybe through to probably Mr. Moye, but how, how do

2045
02:08:17,318 --> 02:08:20,238
we get here, I guess? So this development is what

2046
02:08:20,259 --> 02:08:23,438
about 15 years old. How does a development get approved

2047
02:08:23,779 --> 02:08:27,518
that ends up having this substantial level of traffic issues

2048
02:08:27,699 --> 02:08:31,118
in it? Because I think that's on, you know, you

2049
02:08:31,118 --> 02:08:32,798
hear from people, like how did this, what's going on?

2050
02:08:32,798 --> 02:08:36,798
How this happened? So have things changed. Do we have

2051
02:08:36,838 --> 02:08:40,558
better planning rules now? I'm just wondering if staff could

2052
02:08:40,739 --> 02:08:43,278
maybe let the public know what their answer to that

2053
02:08:43,318 --> 02:08:48,209
question might be. Sure. Through the chair, I can take

2054
02:08:48,310 --> 02:08:52,369
a shot at it. I think something that's changed that

2055
02:08:52,369 --> 02:08:56,769
actually made a difference when we first went out, we

2056
02:08:56,809 --> 02:08:58,949
started to hear these concerns about Sutterbrook Village. A lot

2057
02:08:58,949 --> 02:09:02,049
of it was around circulation. So, um, pick up and

2058
02:09:02,070 --> 02:09:05,629
drop off. It was, it was loading for commercial. Uh,

2059
02:09:05,629 --> 02:09:08,049
they didn't have any space for loading. Um, and it

2060
02:09:08,049 --> 02:09:11,302
was a lot of, uh, like shopping for parking. We

2061
02:09:11,403 --> 02:09:13,862
call it like drivers going around trying to find service

2062
02:09:13,883 --> 02:09:16,242
parking. Parking was free on the surface. It was, you

2063
02:09:16,242 --> 02:09:17,782
know, there was some time limited, but that's what they're

2064
02:09:17,782 --> 02:09:19,142
looking for. They didn't want to go into the park

2065
02:09:19,142 --> 02:09:21,062
aid or they couldn't didn't know that there was a

2066
02:09:21,083 --> 02:09:23,542
parcade there. Um, and so a lot of the changes

2067
02:09:23,803 --> 02:09:26,482
from a circulation point of view, we think have, um,

2068
02:09:26,763 --> 02:09:28,582
that we've put in have made a difference. So I

2069
02:09:28,582 --> 02:09:31,862
think that's probably that lesson learned is making some of

2070
02:09:31,862 --> 02:09:35,602
the roads one way. And then changing the parking, um,

2071
02:09:35,883 --> 02:09:41,122
the parking regulations to provide, um, specific loading zones, uh,

2072
02:09:41,122 --> 02:09:44,502
which we didn't have before. Um, and then different time

2073
02:09:44,542 --> 02:09:48,182
limited zones as well as the addition of pay parking,

2074
02:09:48,182 --> 02:09:50,742
I think has helped with providing that surface parking availability

2075
02:09:50,923 --> 02:09:53,702
and also helping to drive some of those, uh, vehicles

2076
02:09:54,043 --> 02:09:56,902
go to go down to, um, the parcade. Another issue

2077
02:09:57,163 --> 02:10:00,742
which is being addressed by the plan proposed here is,

2078
02:10:00,742 --> 02:10:04,182
um, there was a, there was a, an architectural feature,

2079
02:10:04,182 --> 02:10:08,262
which was the paver, um, roads. And the original intersections

2080
02:10:08,302 --> 02:10:10,562
were actually meant to be raised intersection. So a lot

2081
02:10:10,562 --> 02:10:12,982
of the treatment was focused on having different kinds of

2082
02:10:13,163 --> 02:10:16,902
pavers to show, um, show where the walking areas are.

2083
02:10:16,902 --> 02:10:19,702
Um, but the pavers, it is actually because of the

2084
02:10:19,742 --> 02:10:23,042
way the roads have sort of either because of the

2085
02:10:23,042 --> 02:10:27,602
pavers have faded or because there's less raised features. Um,

2086
02:10:27,602 --> 02:10:29,862
it is, it can be hard to identify the exact

2087
02:10:30,043 --> 02:10:35,142
crosswalk location. So this would also add, um, industry standard

2088
02:10:35,803 --> 02:10:39,382
or Canada, um, standard, uh, crosswalk markings, which I think

2089
02:10:39,403 --> 02:10:42,669
would help with that. Okay. Thank you for that. So

2090
02:10:43,090 --> 02:10:45,789
some changes in what we're doing in some lessons learned.

2091
02:10:45,789 --> 02:10:48,669
And, you know, obviously I remember our conversation on Spring

2092
02:10:48,669 --> 02:10:52,269
Street and whether it's to be one way or not.

2093
02:10:52,269 --> 02:10:55,229
And, um, just, you know, something to reflect on in

2094
02:10:55,229 --> 02:10:58,109
terms of our lessons learned. And we're talking about new

2095
02:10:58,130 --> 02:11:00,429
developments that we kind of don't repeat the same mistakes

2096
02:11:00,690 --> 02:11:04,089
so we can have functional traffic and walkability in the

2097
02:11:04,089 --> 02:11:06,229
neighbourhoods. We claim we're building coasts. They're so walkable. So

2098
02:11:06,610 --> 02:11:09,229
I think this needs to get done. I mean, if,

2099
02:11:09,229 --> 02:11:11,509
if this is the best way for, then fine. It

2100
02:11:11,509 --> 02:11:13,789
just needs to get done. So thank you. Thank you,

2101
02:11:13,789 --> 02:11:17,739
Councillor. Somebody want to move the motion. It's been moved

2102
02:11:17,739 --> 02:11:20,539
in seconded. Is there an, is there any desire to

2103
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:25,690
hear from, um, a representative for Moni. Nope. Okay. You're

2104
02:11:25,730 --> 02:11:29,333
off the hook. Um, then I will call the question.

2105
02:11:29,333 --> 02:11:32,564
It's been moved and seconded all in favor. Opposed Carry

2106
02:11:32,604 --> 02:11:37,666
unanimously. Thank you. Um, next item is committee appointments. Oh,

2107
02:11:37,706 --> 02:11:40,706
oh, sorry my bad. The on table that this goes

2108
02:11:40,746 --> 02:11:46,066
back to Mr. Uh, Mr. Moe again. Okay. So there

2109
02:11:46,106 --> 02:11:49,266
is a recommendation and perhaps Mr. Moe, you can give

2110
02:11:49,266 --> 02:11:52,866
us a quick update on where this is coming from

2111
02:11:53,047 --> 02:11:56,626
and why it's here now tonight. Sure. Um, through the

2112
02:11:56,626 --> 02:11:59,346
chair, I'm sorry that this was, uh, put on table.

2113
02:11:59,346 --> 02:12:01,506
We were made aware of a grant program on July

2114
02:12:01,687 --> 02:12:03,866
13th in the deadline to apply a September 4th. So

2115
02:12:03,866 --> 02:12:06,346
this is the last Council meeting before that deadline. So

2116
02:12:06,346 --> 02:12:08,546
we needed to provide an ontable memo to seek approval

2117
02:12:08,727 --> 02:12:10,866
if Council wants us to make an application. Um, this

2118
02:12:10,887 --> 02:12:16,706
is a federal transport candida grant for rail, um, rail

2119
02:12:16,727 --> 02:12:20,626
for a rail safety improvement program. Um, we have done

2120
02:12:20,727 --> 02:12:24,386
work to explore whistle cessation, what work would be necessary

2121
02:12:24,487 --> 02:12:29,586
for the Murray Street crossing of the CPKC spur line.

2122
02:12:29,586 --> 02:12:32,306
This grant program does not cover whistle cessation, but it

2123
02:12:32,306 --> 02:12:34,306
does cover safety improvements. And in order to ask for

2124
02:12:34,487 --> 02:12:37,906
whistlecization, you need to improve that railway to high level

2125
02:12:37,946 --> 02:12:40,706
of safety. So what we'll be doing is applying for

2126
02:12:40,967 --> 02:12:44,146
the safety improvements, um, at Murray Street and for the

2127
02:12:44,247 --> 02:12:46,626
Trassolini Field Crossings, which would then allow us in the

2128
02:12:46,626 --> 02:12:49,826
future to ask for whistle cessation. The total project costs,

2129
02:12:49,826 --> 02:12:52,846
a high level estimate is 400, 000 dollars. And this

2130
02:12:52,846 --> 02:12:55,066
grant would cover 80 percent of the cost, which is

2131
02:12:55,066 --> 02:12:56,946
why we thought we should re ask. Um, it's a

2132
02:12:57,047 --> 02:12:59,186
three year funding program. So this would be our chance

2133
02:12:59,287 --> 02:13:02,226
to apply for that three years. Um, I should be

2134
02:13:02,247 --> 02:13:06,066
clear about whistle cessation, um, on the spur line is

2135
02:13:06,087 --> 02:13:08,866
that if we were to do all of this work,

2136
02:13:08,866 --> 02:13:11,106
uh, the whistle cessation was accepted by the, by the

2137
02:13:11,127 --> 02:13:14,306
railway, it would stop whistling, um, at the Murray Street

2138
02:13:14,346 --> 02:13:17,986
and the Traselini crosswalk, or sorry, crossings, but, um, but

2139
02:13:18,087 --> 02:13:20,866
whistling would still be necessary for their long, um, the

2140
02:13:20,906 --> 02:13:25,996
spur line. Continuing whistle satisfacing along there would have a

2141
02:13:26,036 --> 02:13:28,796
high cost include include even needing to add bells and

2142
02:13:28,897 --> 02:13:33,276
whistle warning or sorry light and bell warnings at some

2143
02:13:33,276 --> 02:13:35,356
of the roadway crossings along there, which could also have

2144
02:13:35,377 --> 02:13:37,976
impacts on the neighbourhood. So we're not recommending that, um,

2145
02:13:38,177 --> 02:13:41,356
that the city would consider, um, expanding the program that

2146
02:13:41,396 --> 02:13:45,276
far. Um, and also the way that we're suggesting is,

2147
02:13:45,377 --> 02:13:47,356
is that the city does not get this grant that

2148
02:13:47,356 --> 02:13:50,136
we would just return the funds to the reserve. Um,

2149
02:13:50,136 --> 02:13:52,396
the total that we would ask for to commit to

2150
02:13:52,436 --> 02:13:54,636
this would be 90, 000 dollars with 10, 000 dollars

2151
02:13:54,737 --> 02:13:56,634
being to apply for the grant. Okay. Thank you very

2152
02:13:56,674 --> 02:14:01,434
much. Um, for that explanation, Councillor Agtra. Thank you. I'd

2153
02:14:01,434 --> 02:14:03,514
like to move the recommendation. Second. Okay. It's been moved

2154
02:14:03,535 --> 02:14:05,514
in seconded. And then I think this is also a

2155
02:14:05,514 --> 02:14:08,314
good example of where we've already done work and we're

2156
02:14:08,314 --> 02:14:11,114
able now to jump on a grant, um, at the

2157
02:14:11,154 --> 02:14:15,594
last minute. So appreciate, um, staff in making that happen.

2158
02:14:15,594 --> 02:14:19,034
Thanks. Thank you so much. Um, Councillor Morrison. Thank you.

2159
02:14:19,034 --> 02:14:22,234
I appreciate as well the explanation there. Mr. Moye in

2160
02:14:22,234 --> 02:14:24,714
regards to the other areas. Cause we all know that,

2161
02:14:24,714 --> 02:14:26,794
uh, down in the Pleasant side neighbourhood, et cetera, that

2162
02:14:26,794 --> 02:14:29,834
they, uh, an older side would love to have those,

2163
02:14:29,834 --> 02:14:33,274
um, horns and whistles stop. But the fact that the

2164
02:14:33,295 --> 02:14:36,234
option is, you know, four minutes or three minutes long

2165
02:14:36,575 --> 02:14:39,834
of Bel's ringing, um, might not be the preferred option.

2166
02:14:39,834 --> 02:14:43,434
So then at this time, but I hope that in

2167
02:14:43,434 --> 02:14:45,894
the future, if there ever is, the ability to, um,

2168
02:14:46,575 --> 02:14:49,354
upgrade those, those intersections and stuff to make that with

2169
02:14:49,455 --> 02:14:51,274
gates or whatever needs to be done to help it.

2170
02:14:51,274 --> 02:14:55,754
I would, I would enjoy that conversation for that community.

2171
02:14:55,754 --> 02:14:57,674
Um, but, uh, in this, in this neighbourhood to be

2172
02:14:57,674 --> 02:15:00,714
able to get those, too, Mon Murray and behind Traslaney

2173
02:15:00,754 --> 02:15:02,234
Field, I think would be a great option. So the

2174
02:15:02,234 --> 02:15:05,754
fact that it's, even though we're paying for upgrades to

2175
02:15:05,794 --> 02:15:11,514
help stop whistles at the end, uh, I don't think

2176
02:15:11,514 --> 02:15:12,634
we should have to pay any of it to try

2177
02:15:12,674 --> 02:15:15,114
to get that to stop and should be a fully

2178
02:15:15,154 --> 02:15:17,434
covered by the government, um, I'm happy that at least

2179
02:15:17,455 --> 02:15:19,874
80 percent is covered. So thank you. Thank you. So

2180
02:15:19,874 --> 02:15:22,154
it's been moved and seconded. I'll call the question all

2181
02:15:22,154 --> 02:15:26,335
in favor. Opposed, Carrie, thanks so much for bringing this

2182
02:15:26,335 --> 02:15:29,455
forward tonight, Mr. Moe. Now we're going to go to

2183
02:15:29,796 --> 02:15:37,962
committee appointments. And. Earlier this evening council approved the following

2184
02:15:38,463 --> 02:15:46,694
appointments to the youth focus committee. And, uh, those will

2185
02:15:46,734 --> 02:15:51,394
be, and those individuals will be notified of their, uh.

2186
02:15:53,362 --> 02:15:58,702
Membership of this youth focus committee. Shortly. No, it's already

2187
02:15:58,742 --> 02:16:01,822
been done. So, um, I do not want to read

2188
02:16:02,323 --> 02:16:05,342
all of those names. I'm afraid I might not do

2189
02:16:05,443 --> 02:16:07,422
a very good job of it. So, uh, but we

2190
02:16:07,422 --> 02:16:12,674
will be notifying the new members. Momentarily within the next

2191
02:16:12,695 --> 02:16:16,994
few days. All right. And next item is Council Verbal

2192
02:16:16,994 --> 02:16:23,232
Reports. Councillor Knowles. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'll, I'll be

2193
02:16:23,272 --> 02:16:25,792
brief. This is our last meeting before our, um, August

2194
02:16:26,053 --> 02:16:28,752
break. So I just wanted to quickly, um, shout out

2195
02:16:28,792 --> 02:16:33,312
a few events happening in August. Um, for our residents,

2196
02:16:33,312 --> 02:16:35,792
um, coming up August 1st, we've got celebrate BC at

2197
02:16:35,832 --> 02:16:39,152
Rocky Point Park. This is our first annual, but hopefully

2198
02:16:39,493 --> 02:16:42,352
more coming forward. I'm really looking forward to seeing this

2199
02:16:42,352 --> 02:16:46,832
for the first time at our signature park. Um, you

2200
02:16:46,832 --> 02:16:50,672
know, in addition, we've got the art outside opening on

2201
02:16:51,173 --> 02:16:54,072
August 7th. Poem, that's Pomords outside opening. That's going to

2202
02:16:54,072 --> 02:16:57,872
be seven day festival. Um, where art fills the streets

2203
02:16:58,453 --> 02:17:04,127
really looking forward to that. We have Car Friday on

2204
02:17:04,228 --> 02:17:08,834
August 16th. And then a bunch of smaller items that

2205
02:17:08,874 --> 02:17:11,154
I'm going to leave to my colleagues, but I think

2206
02:17:11,154 --> 02:17:12,674
those are the big ones. And I really hope to

2207
02:17:12,714 --> 02:17:15,234
see a lot of residents out, um, out and enjoying

2208
02:17:15,274 --> 02:17:18,189
those. The other thing I wanted to say is, um,

2209
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:23,889
a Councillor expressed today, you know, why are we, why

2210
02:17:23,929 --> 02:17:26,929
are we doing this work three months prior to an

2211
02:17:26,929 --> 02:17:28,769
election? And I just wanted to say that as a

2212
02:17:28,809 --> 02:17:33,409
sitting councillor, um, I will always do the job that,

2213
02:17:33,409 --> 02:17:36,529
um, I agreed to do, um, regardless of whether it's

2214
02:17:36,569 --> 02:17:38,129
the last three months of my term or the first

2215
02:17:38,129 --> 02:17:40,769
three months of my term, our job is our job.

2216
02:17:40,769 --> 02:17:43,769
And, um, whether or not an election is coming. I

2217
02:17:43,769 --> 02:17:46,529
don't believe that that should ever affect our decisions or

2218
02:17:46,550 --> 02:17:48,449
judgments while we're at the table. We were elected for

2219
02:17:48,470 --> 02:17:50,609
a purpose. And I think it's important that we keep

2220
02:17:50,710 --> 02:17:53,729
in mind that we are expected to do our jobs.

2221
02:17:53,729 --> 02:17:57,009
And, um, I'm proud that we did that tonight. Thank

2222
02:17:57,009 --> 02:18:02,123
you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Dilworth. Of course, Councillor Knowles

2223
02:18:02,384 --> 02:18:05,003
had the three events that I have on my list

2224
02:18:05,003 --> 02:18:06,843
as well. But I want to speak a little bit

2225
02:18:07,824 --> 02:18:12,923
more about art outside, which is launching next Friday, August

2226
02:18:12,963 --> 02:18:17,483
7th. And it's opening with, it's opening over in Pioneer

2227
02:18:17,523 --> 02:18:22,443
Park. And there will be artists painting a community piano.

2228
02:18:24,524 --> 02:18:28,983
For the park. And also painting those really, really big

2229
02:18:29,484 --> 02:18:32,983
andironic chairs that you see throughout. So that is sort

2230
02:18:32,983 --> 02:18:35,303
of the big first event that's taking place. And I'm

2231
02:18:35,324 --> 02:18:38,803
really looking forward to it. And, um, uh, a few

2232
02:18:38,803 --> 02:18:41,223
of us live in Newport Village. And I remember the

2233
02:18:41,223 --> 02:18:46,023
last arts outside, you know, every day, you know, you

2234
02:18:46,023 --> 02:18:48,663
could see, you could see magicians. You could see people

2235
02:18:49,404 --> 02:18:53,063
all out in their patios listening to musicians, um, with

2236
02:18:53,103 --> 02:18:57,303
or without instruments. It was just really, really well accepted.

2237
02:18:57,303 --> 02:18:59,783
And it helped bring some of the neighbours together and

2238
02:18:59,884 --> 02:19:03,463
gather well listening to those musicians. Uh, Carpe Day is

2239
02:19:03,503 --> 02:19:08,959
August 16th. That's going to be great. Um. BCD, we've

2240
02:19:08,959 --> 02:19:11,439
already covered that one. As the last meeting of the

2241
02:19:11,439 --> 02:19:13,839
summer, you know, I've been reading a lot of warnings

2242
02:19:13,860 --> 02:19:17,579
about whether events and whether it's floods out in the

2243
02:19:17,579 --> 02:19:20,719
valley, wildfires in the centre of our province. I think

2244
02:19:20,980 --> 02:19:24,319
in the lower mainland, one of the most impactful is

2245
02:19:24,580 --> 02:19:28,459
heat domes. And I would just encourage everybody, you know,

2246
02:19:28,459 --> 02:19:31,759
check in on your neighbours. Check in on your families.

2247
02:19:31,759 --> 02:19:35,919
Certainly the city does provide cooling opportunities through a missed

2248
02:19:35,940 --> 02:19:39,119
tunnel in some of our parks or opening up city

2249
02:19:39,119 --> 02:19:45,199
hall gallery for people to gather in heat tempered space.

2250
02:19:45,199 --> 02:19:49,279
But this is a, watch your pets, watch your neighbor's

2251
02:19:49,300 --> 02:19:53,359
particularly seniors who might be more vulnerable or isolated or

2252
02:19:53,359 --> 02:19:57,676
not knowing where to get support. So I want everyone

2253
02:19:57,716 --> 02:20:03,317
to have a really safe. Yet happy summer. Thank you

2254
02:20:03,357 --> 02:20:12,880
very much. Councillor Morrison. All right. Um, so, um, yes,

2255
02:20:12,880 --> 02:20:14,960
happy summer to all my colleagues. Thank you again for

2256
02:20:15,381 --> 02:20:18,000
an awesome first, oh, two thirds of the year at

2257
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:20,380
this point, uh, by the time we come back, um,

2258
02:20:20,741 --> 02:20:23,920
September 22nd will be our next meeting because we actually

2259
02:20:23,941 --> 02:20:27,600
have UBCM convention that, um, some of us are going

2260
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:31,520
to be attending to advocate on behalf of our community.

2261
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:35,360
Um, and also partake in some of the info sessions,

2262
02:20:35,360 --> 02:20:37,280
LMLGA was when I attended earlier this year, I didn't

2263
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:40,000
do FCM. But some of them are really good topics

2264
02:20:40,021 --> 02:20:43,760
on how to, you know, further public engagement or different

2265
02:20:43,781 --> 02:20:46,480
ideas that other communities across BC, because this is all

2266
02:20:46,501 --> 02:20:51,520
the British Columbia Municipalities have to solve regional issues or

2267
02:20:51,541 --> 02:20:54,160
local issues that they might have encountered. So I'm looking

2268
02:20:54,261 --> 02:20:56,160
forward to attending that. And I believe a few of

2269
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:59,040
my colleagues will be there as well. Um, and I

2270
02:20:59,040 --> 02:21:01,680
will be, um, letting people know as I go throughout

2271
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:04,080
that, that program, you know, what's kind of coming up

2272
02:21:04,181 --> 02:21:06,300
or what's been discussed in some of these things. And

2273
02:21:06,300 --> 02:21:08,800
we also get to vote and advocate for our motions

2274
02:21:08,821 --> 02:21:12,636
that we're also, um, very passionate about. Um, I also

2275
02:21:12,817 --> 02:21:16,456
wanted to mention that, um, when we do reconvene, uh,

2276
02:21:16,817 --> 02:21:20,396
as we know, we're in an election period now officially.

2277
02:21:20,396 --> 02:21:22,316
And, uh, we'll have the full list of all the

2278
02:21:22,356 --> 02:21:27,196
candidates that are going to be running, um, for mayor

2279
02:21:27,217 --> 02:21:29,996
school board or council. And that'll all be finalised by

2280
02:21:30,036 --> 02:21:31,676
the time we return. So I just want to encourage

2281
02:21:31,937 --> 02:21:35,116
everybody out there that's either going to be meeting or

2282
02:21:35,116 --> 02:21:37,916
the candidates or thinking about running themselves to look into

2283
02:21:37,956 --> 02:21:41,996
it. Uh, there's information on the city website about it.

2284
02:21:41,996 --> 02:21:44,476
Having a good variety of different perspectives and different visions

2285
02:21:44,897 --> 02:21:49,116
is always wonderful. And I encourage, um, people to participate

2286
02:21:49,137 --> 02:21:51,676
in that process as much as possible. And get out

2287
02:21:51,697 --> 02:21:55,096
and vote eventually. But to get engaged because, you know,

2288
02:21:55,096 --> 02:21:56,956
you need to ask those tough questions of myself or

2289
02:21:56,996 --> 02:22:00,396
any of the candidates running and hopefully they'll have a

2290
02:22:00,417 --> 02:22:02,316
vision on how they're going to deliver on their vision

2291
02:22:02,356 --> 02:22:04,476
as well. So I encourage everybody, please get to know

2292
02:22:04,516 --> 02:22:08,056
your candidates and support. Whomever you'd like in that, uh,

2293
02:22:08,097 --> 02:22:10,956
in that race. Other than that, I'm heading off to

2294
02:22:10,977 --> 02:22:13,676
the Okanagan for a few days for my father's retirement.

2295
02:22:13,676 --> 02:22:17,436
So happy retirement to my dad after 45 years at

2296
02:22:17,457 --> 02:22:21,596
the same sawmill. So it will be a very, very

2297
02:22:21,617 --> 02:22:24,156
happy day for him to get a chance to retire.

2298
02:22:24,156 --> 02:22:27,836
So congratulations dad on that retirement. Great. Thank you everyone.

2299
02:22:27,876 --> 02:22:31,676
Thank you for that. Councillor Lubick. Thank you so much.

2300
02:22:31,676 --> 02:22:36,216
Um, yeah, echoing Councillor Morrison, I'm excited for UBCM. And

2301
02:22:36,216 --> 02:22:39,276
also the opportunity to talk to hopefully ministers and ministerial

2302
02:22:39,316 --> 02:22:44,263
staff and advocate directly. For what we need. And I

2303
02:22:44,263 --> 02:22:47,543
do want to give a shout out as Councillor Dilworth

2304
02:22:47,543 --> 02:22:51,383
mentioned, you know, heat is a big issue right now.

2305
02:22:51,383 --> 02:22:53,623
And if the wind changes smoke will be as well.

2306
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We've already had a couple of air quality warnings. And

2307
02:22:56,563 --> 02:22:59,143
our staff do a really good job of sharing information

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02:22:59,724 --> 02:23:02,503
through the city website and letting people know who's more

2309
02:23:02,503 --> 02:23:05,863
vulnerable and trying to keep people safe. So I do

2310
02:23:06,044 --> 02:23:09,421
want to acknowledge all the work that staff do. Um,

2311
02:23:09,842 --> 02:23:13,981
and last I just want to share a couple of,

2312
02:23:13,981 --> 02:23:18,261
um, other events that the folks haven't mentioned yet. I

2313
02:23:18,261 --> 02:23:21,741
know it's unbelievable. There aren't. There are still a couple,

2314
02:23:21,741 --> 02:23:25,981
but I'm excited for nest building in Bienen. Nest building

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02:23:26,002 --> 02:23:28,441
and component near park is part of art outside, but

2316
02:23:28,441 --> 02:23:31,021
it's going to be, um, natural weaving and teaching people

2317
02:23:31,042 --> 02:23:32,461
how to do that. So we're going to make a

2318
02:23:32,501 --> 02:23:37,806
community nest. And I'm very excited about that. Um, the

2319
02:23:37,907 --> 02:23:43,087
eighth. Yeah. Um, that's August 8th. Uh, this week, pomar

2320
02:23:43,108 --> 02:23:47,167
arts has a, uh, art uncorked event again. So wine

2321
02:23:47,207 --> 02:23:48,687
and art pairing. This has become one of my favourite

2322
02:23:48,788 --> 02:23:51,924
things. Uh, we have cake culture days coming up, um,

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02:23:52,205 --> 02:23:57,352
on August 9th. Or just the one day. And it's

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02:23:57,392 --> 02:24:02,812
not in Moody, but, um, tricities wide, I think. I

2325
02:24:02,812 --> 02:24:05,840
always love the dumpling festival. And I think it's important

2326
02:24:05,861 --> 02:24:08,960
to share that because that came out of an anti

2327
02:24:09,000 --> 02:24:13,760
- racism event, um, the organiser originally during COVID had

2328
02:24:13,861 --> 02:24:17,740
a terrible experience of racism. And instead of getting, I'm

2329
02:24:17,740 --> 02:24:19,840
sure she'd get upset at first, but then she decided

2330
02:24:20,101 --> 02:24:23,280
to bring people together and thought, well, everyone has a

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02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:26,140
dumpling. So let's get all of the dumplings together. And

2332
02:24:26,181 --> 02:24:30,240
that's actually come out with my nieces favourite line of

2333
02:24:30,280 --> 02:24:34,880
storybooks as well featuring all, um, all the dumplings that

2334
02:24:35,141 --> 02:24:37,200
learn so much from each other. Um, so I'm looking

2335
02:24:37,221 --> 02:24:39,760
forward to this year's edition of that. So thank you

2336
02:24:39,800 --> 02:24:42,960
so much. See you guys in September. Thank you, Councillor.

2337
02:24:43,713 --> 02:24:47,212
Um, I wanted to take an opportunity because we have,

2338
02:24:47,212 --> 02:24:51,592
um, received some, some input and some questions about, um,

2339
02:24:51,873 --> 02:24:55,772
a recent purchase that was approved by Council. And there

2340
02:24:55,812 --> 02:24:59,932
was some discussion around, you know, the process under which

2341
02:25:00,033 --> 02:25:02,892
that, that took place. But, um, I'm very pleased to

2342
02:25:02,913 --> 02:25:06,332
be able to, uh, to talk tonight about, uh, the

2343
02:25:06,433 --> 02:25:10,092
city purchasing land in Moody Centre. Um, near Kyle Centre

2344
02:25:10,132 --> 02:25:14,332
for future use as park space. So recently we purchased

2345
02:25:14,753 --> 02:25:19,932
almost 33 square feet or four properties located near Kyle

2346
02:25:19,932 --> 02:25:24,572
Centre and Kyle Park for future use as public parks

2347
02:25:24,593 --> 02:25:27,932
base to serve the Moody Centre neighbourhood and the broader

2348
02:25:27,932 --> 02:25:32,172
community moving forward. So on behalf of Council, I'm pleased

2349
02:25:32,212 --> 02:25:35,372
to announce the purchase of this land, which helps us

2350
02:25:35,473 --> 02:25:39,292
meet the city's goals for Parkland established in the OCP

2351
02:25:39,713 --> 02:25:44,278
and the Park Land strategy. And the acquisition of new

2352
02:25:44,318 --> 02:25:46,998
Parkland to address gaps and meet current and future community

2353
02:25:47,019 --> 02:25:51,398
needs as identified as a high priority in both documents,

2354
02:25:51,398 --> 02:25:55,558
um, Moody Centre as noted as having the highest need,

2355
02:25:55,558 --> 02:25:58,118
um, and with the renewal and expansion of Kyle Park

2356
02:25:58,219 --> 02:26:01,638
highlighted, as we saw tonight as a top priority, due

2357
02:26:01,678 --> 02:26:04,758
to a recognised deficit of park land and anticipated high

2358
02:26:04,798 --> 02:26:08,278
demand for parkspace, um, as the neighbourhood evolves. This seemed

2359
02:26:08,278 --> 02:26:11,158
like the right move to make. So, um, the process

2360
02:26:11,339 --> 02:26:15,158
to develop both the OCP and the Parkland strategy included

2361
02:26:15,419 --> 02:26:21,318
exclusive community engagement with meaningful and inclusive opportunities to provide

2362
02:26:21,579 --> 02:26:25,753
input on community values and priorities. Feedback from the public

2363
02:26:26,174 --> 02:26:30,073
helped to shape these important documents, which reflects a shared

2364
02:26:30,094 --> 02:26:33,753
vision that guides counsel. And that is what we use

2365
02:26:33,793 --> 02:26:37,033
to make these types of decisions. In refining the parkland

2366
02:26:37,054 --> 02:26:42,153
strategy, we also heard valuable input from residents at the

2367
02:26:42,174 --> 02:26:45,753
Mayorstown Hall and Community Dialogue on Park Expansion in Moody

2368
02:26:45,793 --> 02:26:49,433
Centre. And that reinforced the importance of addressing Parkland needs

2369
02:26:49,473 --> 02:26:52,713
in this neighbourhood. So the purchase of these properties near

2370
02:26:52,814 --> 02:26:57,193
Kyle Centre was a strategic decision. Thoughtfully made to acquire

2371
02:26:57,374 --> 02:27:01,273
land adjacent to an existing park in a high growth

2372
02:27:01,313 --> 02:27:05,413
area and near additional properties purchased in recent years, uh,

2373
02:27:05,454 --> 02:27:09,753
for future park space. Land is scarce in Port Mooney,

2374
02:27:09,753 --> 02:27:12,953
which means that we have to act quickly and wherever

2375
02:27:12,974 --> 02:27:16,713
possible, uh, when the land becomes available, um, this helps

2376
02:27:16,734 --> 02:27:19,753
to ensure that we don't miss out on Parkland, especially

2377
02:27:19,934 --> 02:27:22,873
in areas where the need is the greatest. Uh, we

2378
02:27:22,974 --> 02:27:25,833
need, we now know that the community places a high

2379
02:27:25,873 --> 02:27:29,913
value on parks and open spaces, which are essential to

2380
02:27:30,014 --> 02:27:33,833
community wellbeing, biodiversity and climate resilience. So there will be

2381
02:27:33,833 --> 02:27:37,273
more information released to the public tomorrow, uh, through, through

2382
02:27:37,374 --> 02:27:39,833
a press release. It'll talk about, it'll give more details

2383
02:27:39,854 --> 02:27:44,473
about the purchase information, more details about Kyle Centre redevelopment,

2384
02:27:44,473 --> 02:27:47,353
um, and the Guiding Strategy documents that have led to

2385
02:27:47,353 --> 02:27:50,233
this strategic decision of Council. But I wanted to provide

2386
02:27:50,254 --> 02:27:56,473
that to members of the public tonight. Madam Ms City

2387
02:27:56,513 --> 02:28:01,753
Manager, Madam Mathewson. Ms. Mathewson, do you have anything for

2388
02:28:01,753 --> 02:28:05,273
us? I think you do not. All right. Um, then

2389
02:28:05,294 --> 02:28:09,253
that will, that will give us to, um, adjournment. The

2390
02:28:09,253 --> 02:28:10,393
meeting is adjourned. Thank you everybody.