[4:07] Okay, it's seven o'clock. We're going to call this meeting
[4:09] to order. Welcome everybody. We'll start off in a good
[4:12] way with the territorial land acknowledgement. The city of Port
[4:16] Moody carries out our business on the ancestral and unseated
[4:19] homelands of the Quakewitlam, Slail with Tooth, Musquim, Squamish, Katzy,
[4:24] Kwantlun, Kikate, and Stolo Peoples and extends appreciation for the
[4:27] opportunity to work on this territory. Next time is adoption
[4:32] of the agenda. And I will move that the agenda,
[4:38] the adopted as circulated with the following amendments. We have
[4:40] a couple of typos, and the one item to add.
[4:44] Replacing the memo for item 7. 1 adoption of ACC
[4:49] bylaw and DCC bylaw, number 3550 with the memo is
[4:52] provided in the on - table package. That's due to
[4:54] a typo, replacing the memo for 1. 1. 2 heritage
[4:58] alteration permit, 101 first Avenue with MMO as provided in
[5:02] the on - table package. Same reason. And then the
[5:05] addition of 11. 5, which is federal rail safety improvement
[5:08] program grant intake. So that's been moved. Is there a
[5:12] seconder? All in favor. Posed, carried. Thank you. Okay, we'll
[5:20] move on to art at Council, and I will provide
[5:23] Councillor Knowles with the chair for a moment. Go ahead.
[5:29] Thank you so much, Mayor. Tonight we are pleased to
[5:31] welcome Jenna Wynd, a third year visual art student at
[5:34] Emily Carr University. Jenna is the recipient of the 2026
[5:38] CREAM Choice Scholarship at Pomo Arts. Her artistic practice includes
[5:42] Ink drawing and middle sculpture, while intricate line drawings were
[5:46] once her primary focus, her work has recently evolved as
[5:48] she learns to draw with steel. Tonight we are delighted
[5:52] to present Labyrinthine, a sculpture made from welded steel rods.
[5:56] Jenna describes her sculptural process as fierce physically demanding and
[6:00] often intense, stark contrast to the intimate and quiet act
[6:03] of drawing. Labyrinthin, you will have to tell me if
[6:06] I'm mispronouncing that when you come up. As part of
[6:09] a larger body of work that explores the workaround her
[6:11] and responds to dominant narratives of war, discrimination, uncertainty and
[6:15] imbalance. Themes that have become increasingly present in our everyday
[6:19] lives. Additional works by Jenna can be viewed at Pomo
[6:22] Arts as part of her solo exhibition Laguna on display
[6:26] until August 30th. Please join me in welcoming Jenna. We
[6:30] look forward to hearing more about your artistic practice. Hi
[6:35] Jenna, welcome. I also wanted to say before you begin,
[6:38] I've seen your exhibition. I've been to Pomar at a
[6:40] couple times. I took my daughter on the weekend and
[6:42] I really thought it was very thought - provoking. I
[6:45] really love the wax one in particular. Oh great, thank
[6:48] you so much. Welcome. Hi, good evening. Thank you so
[6:51] much for having me. It's actually really nice feedback in
[6:54] Port Moody. I was actually born here. So it's nice
[6:56] to be coming back and forth. Welcome home. Artwork here.
[7:00] My practice involves expressing myself through sculpture and detailed ink
[7:04] and graphite drawings, working in sculpture is a fairly new
[7:07] practice for me. Within the last year, I've learned all
[7:09] of my techniques in metalworking. Previously all of my work
[7:13] had just been revolved around line drawing. But more recently
[7:17] I'm learning to take that drawing style and apply it
[7:18] to steel to make something a lot more fluid through
[7:21] something so rigid and very difficult to work with. My
[7:25] methodology within working with metal is it's often quite, it's
[7:31] very strenuous, very fierce and very loud. It's a very
[7:33] demanding process and this is a really interesting contrast to
[7:36] my drawing, which is very quiet and very intimate. So
[7:39] these two processes inform each other and they kind of,
[7:42] I explore the two rigors between the disparate connections between
[7:45] these two to similar practices. Um, and the work today
[7:48] I brought is called Labyrinthine. It's a steel sculpture that
[7:51] I welded, formed, and very heavily grinded. Uh, the piece
[7:54] was a starting point for the collection of work that
[7:56] I'm currently presenting at home or art centre. Um, the
[7:59] body work is titled La Kuna and this refers to
[8:02] the spaces in between or a gap or a missing
[8:04] piece. Um, the resulting works in this collection reflect abro
[8:08] and unfiltered interpretation of my understanding of the world, embracing
[8:12] its cultural. I'm sorry, it's critical flaws, influences and complexities.
[8:17] Uh, this body of work is my attempt to understand
[8:19] the outer world around me, the dominant narratives of a
[8:22] war, discrimination, uncertainty, and imbalance that has become a consistent
[8:26] theme to contend with an everyday life. Uh, this emotive
[8:29] burden feeds into the tension that I explore within my
[8:32] work and drives the energy that I use to create
[8:34] within my practice. Um, I work as best understood through
[8:38] your own exploration. And this is a direct line into
[8:40] my method of thinking. Uh, my newest body work combined
[8:44] steel blown glass and wax. And you can see a
[8:46] little bit of this at pomerart centre. And hopefully I'll
[8:48] have more to come. Uh, the exhibitions on until the
[8:51] 30th. And thank you so much for your time. Thank
[8:53] you so much. Any other comments from council? I see
[8:58] Councillor Dilworth has. Just absolutely gorgeous. How long did it
[9:04] take you from the time you first started thinking about
[9:08] this idea until it was completed? This one took about,
[9:12] I think, 50 hours of work. Okay. Um, yes. Wow.
[9:17] And people may not see from the audience, but it's
[9:19] just got this intricate texturing throughout. Is it meant to
[9:23] be touched at all? Cause I'm a tactile person. I
[9:26] was going to touch it. My time. I better not.
[9:28] You're welcome to touch it. It is, um, it's, it's
[9:30] all of it. It's built up weld. So it's, it's
[9:32] done with hours of taking a welding gun and essentially
[9:35] drawing the material onto it. Quite a few hours of
[9:39] just grinding and finishing that material off. So it kind
[9:41] of resembles tree bark or a little bit of like
[9:44] intricate, um, I guess like cell structures as well through
[9:47] the process. Yeah. It's gorgeous. And that's a very cool
[9:50] explanation of that texturing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you
[9:55] very much for being here. It's absolutely beautiful. Peace as
[9:59] Councillor Dilworth stated. And I'm so happy to have you
[10:01] here. And welcome home. Thank you so much. You're welcome.
[10:04] Thank you for coming. Thank you. All right. So, uh,
[10:13] the next item is, do I need to read this
[10:16] statement? Uh, we're here. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Uh, would have
[10:20] been public, but it's public input, but that has been
[10:22] pause. To comply with provincial legislation on election advertising. There
[10:27] will be no, no, no, input agenda item at Council
[10:32] meetings conducted between July 20th and October 17th during this
[10:37] time the public is welcome to email counsel at Council
[10:39] at Portmoody. ca. We'll move to adoption of the minutes.
[10:44] Uh, so that is July 7th, July 14th. Moved. Is
[10:49] there a seconded all in favor. Opposed carried. Thank you.
[10:53] Which brings us to the consent agenda. Councillor Lurbecki. I'd
[11:01] like to pull 7. 2 adoption development cost charge expenditure
[11:04] by Laufra Parkland Acquisition and 7. 9 development permit for
[11:08] BD centre TOD. Okay. Thank you. Um, hang on. Let's
[11:12] let me put that down. All right. Councillor Knolls. Uh,
[11:17] 7. 8 please. 7. 8. Okay. And we'll go. Is
[11:24] there somebody else. Had, okay. Okay. That's great. Uh, Councillor
[11:29] Dilworth is moving the rest as a block. It's been
[11:31] seconded. Um, all in favor. Opposed carried. Thank you very
[11:37] much. So we will go to 7. 2 councillor Lurbecki.
[11:42] Uh, thank you. I just wanted to pull this because
[11:43] I'll be voting against. Do you want to move somebody
[11:46] want to move the motion? It's been moved in seconded.
[11:49] Um, any conversation. Nope. I'll call the question then all
[11:52] in favor. Opposed Councillor Larbecchi as opposed. We'll go to
[11:57] Councillor Knowles item, which is item 7. 8. Thank you
[12:05] so much. Um, so at our January 13th, 2026 meeting
[12:12] and in response to Council's decision to build a temporary
[12:14] basketball court at the old fire hell lens. We had
[12:17] a speaker come forward at public input that night to
[12:20] express this disappointment that there's been little action or progress
[12:23] made on the recommendations of two previous parks in rec
[12:26] slash environment subcommittee reports struck in 2019 and 2022. Um,
[12:31] those subcommittees conducted significant in - depth studies into the
[12:34] state of our neighbourhood and community parks. And I remember
[12:38] very clearly the report from July 22 because that was
[12:41] a member of the Parks and Rec Commission at the
[12:43] time it was called, actually as was Councillor Lebecky. And
[12:47] we heard the report firsthand and its recommendations. And that
[12:51] report was then referred to Council at an meeting that
[12:56] shortly followed and asked to consider. Um, as a result
[13:00] of the speaker at that January 13th meeting, Councillor Lubick
[13:03] moved that staff report on progress and upcoming initiatives on
[13:07] neighbourhood park use promotion and enhancement, which was greatly appreciated.
[13:12] Um, as of the writing of the 22, 2022 report,
[13:15] there were 16 parks in Port Moted classified as neighbourhood.
[13:18] This included three newer parks and one newer park that
[13:22] had been classified as neighbourhood, but was reclassified as natural
[13:25] for net inventory change of two since the 2015 report.
[13:30] And as a result of that motion made January 23rd
[13:35] to 13, January 13th, we have that report from staff
[13:38] tonight. And that is 7. 8 in the item. Here
[13:40] that I've pulled. Now the report has a lot of
[13:44] great information. And while I appreciate the mini updates that
[13:47] provide, I think some members of both council and the
[13:49] public were disappointed at the lack of focus on, um,
[13:52] neighbourhood and community parks. That it contains. The specific motion,
[14:00] again, was report back on progress and upcoming initish on
[14:07] neighbourhood park use promotion and enhancement. The current report blends
[14:12] in trails larger city community parks like Aspenwood, North Shore,
[14:16] old orchard, rocky point, West Hill, et cetera. I think
[14:20] what we were looking for was perhaps a dedicated inventory
[14:22] of the 13 specific neighbourhood parks. And whether any have
[14:27] been added, removed, we classified, et cetera. Not yet inventoried.
[14:32] And I believe there are several. So with all that
[14:34] said, and I will look to the clerk for assistance
[14:38] here. I don't know if I want to oppose the
[14:40] recommendation here tonight, which is that this B receiver information.
[14:43] Because I would like to move instead that we redirect
[14:45] staff to rewrite this report and focus its neighbourhood on
[14:50] neighbourhood and community parks on a more wholesome basis with
[14:54] consideration of capacity, use, future needs, the needs of seniors
[14:58] and other demographic shifts of the residents, living near these
[15:01] neighbourhood sites or not, as the case may be the
[15:04] 2022, um, report identified at least three areas of Port
[15:08] Moody that are not serviced by any community or neighbourhood
[15:10] parks. And we believe that the oversight and other pertinent
[15:15] matters as appropriate. So, um, assuming that this fails, the
[15:20] motion, we can receive this, then we cannot give further
[15:23] direction. Okay. So my motion then would be that we,
[15:26] um, direct staff, um, let's, let's receive this for information.
[15:32] That what's being presented and further direct staff. Okay. That's
[15:35] fine. So that's fine. I will move that we receive
[15:38] this and then would it be a motion rising mayor.
[15:40] Yep. Okay. So let's - And I'll do that. Let's
[15:42] receive. Um, it's been seconded all in favor. Opposed carried.
[15:46] Now Councillor, you have a motion arising? Yes. Um, but
[15:49] if I may just continue a little bit, have you
[15:53] provided your motion to staff? I have not. I am
[15:55] just a little bit winging it. I'm kind of winging
[15:58] it here. Thank you. That's okay. Um, yes. And you
[16:01] know, I wanted to mention as well, like in 2025,
[16:03] we had charted a path forward with a trail network
[16:05] plan 30 year trail network plan. And it's, it's a
[16:07] great piece of work. Um, staff of denigrate job on
[16:09] that and on our larger master plans, um, but I,
[16:14] I, I don't think I'm alone in wishing that there
[16:16] was, there were more of a focus on neighbourhood parks.
[16:20] And those that we visit on a regular basis, we
[16:23] want residents to have access to parks within walking distance.
[16:27] And that is, as we grow and as generally the
[16:32] population increases, it becomes more and more important. And thanks
[16:36] Mr. Grassy for sending the Senate a senior's focus committee
[16:39] presentation in the spring. He mentioned that, um, our seniors
[16:41] population is going to more than double by 2039. Yeah,
[16:46] I think Councillor Dilworth is the chair of that committee.
[16:49] And, you know, there are policies in place to prioritize
[16:52] supporting seniors age. Renting out of your time limit. So
[16:55] could you please present your motion? Okay. Thanks. You get
[16:59] the gist. Yeah, we get the gist. Okay. Um, I'm
[17:02] going to move that we, that stuff, um, return with
[17:05] a report specifically on neighbourhood and community parks with consideration
[17:11] of capacity, comma, use, comma, future needs, comma, the needs
[17:16] of seniors and other demographic shifts of the residents, living
[17:21] near neighbourhood and community parks. And I, um, we'll send
[17:25] that to the spin seconded. Um, clerk, um, Madam Clerk,
[17:30] do you have that? I'm going to send it to
[17:32] her right now. Okay. That's great. Thank you so much.
[17:34] Thank you. Okay. So that's been moved and seconded. Thank
[17:38] you for that councillor. I will move on to Councillor
[17:41] Lubeck. Thank you so much. Um, no, I'm really glad
[17:44] that we're having this conversation. Sorry Councillor Morrison. You can
[17:47] bring back in. Go ahead Councillor. Sorry. Thank you. Um,
[17:53] I'm very glad we're having this conversation. I want to
[17:55] give, um, a lot of credit and kudos to staff
[17:58] for the work that has been done. Like it's an
[18:00] incredible amount of work. Um, I think we're hoping in
[18:04] addition to that to be looking at the neighbourhood park.
[18:06] So I do want to say like what an incredible
[18:08] job staff have been doing. I think in addition to
[18:11] this, um, what has been shared. And I'll see if
[18:16] I have an amendment, but hopefully it'll be a friendly
[18:18] one. In that, you know, I think one of the
[18:23] things that's important is that neighbourhood parks are very specific.
[18:30] To those populations. And obviously neighbourhoods grow and evolve. But
[18:34] I'm wondering what our opportunities would be for more neighbourhood
[18:39] consultation on what is needed for updating some of those
[18:42] neighbourhood parks. Like maybe the opportunity for co - creation.
[18:47] With some of the neighbourhoods or even community groups. Oh,
[18:50] I think a good place to start is to get
[18:53] this information that the Councillor is asking for. Perhaps maybe
[18:56] there, we can further delve into how we address the
[19:01] needs that get better rise. I think so. I think
[19:05] I'd also like to hear, and I'll think about it,
[19:08] perhaps it's not needed. Just what are some of our
[19:10] opportunities for neighbourhood engagement. Should it be needed? Okay. That's
[19:16] a good point, Councillor. Thank you for that. Um, we're
[19:21] just waiting for staff to get that up. But is
[19:23] that everything? Uh, yes, thank you. Thank you. Um, Councillor
[19:28] Dilworth. Thank you. I'm not going to repeat what Councillor
[19:32] Knowles said, but I wanted to, first of all, acknowledge
[19:35] the tremendous work that our staff have been doing in
[19:38] terms of enhancing and looking at maximizing park usage in
[19:45] smaller parts throughout the entire community. Uh, I look to
[19:48] the tremendous evolution of West Hill Park. I know we've
[19:52] been doing pop - up parks that have really, really
[19:54] worked. But I don't think that we're fully planning or
[19:58] utilising for those parks, um, like Apple Yard, like Foxwood,
[20:05] even like Flavello. Um. And I think there's an opportunity
[20:09] to do some engagement in those communities and find out
[20:13] what we need. And this is, this is not, um,
[20:16] a criticism of staff at all. It's just that this
[20:19] council has made it a very high level strategic priority
[20:22] to look at the assets that we have. And look
[20:25] how we can better them for the use of the
[20:27] neighbourhoods that they're in. So I do really appreciate the
[20:31] information we got now, but I think as a council
[20:33] to move forward strategically, we need to drill down a
[20:37] little bit more on those park assets that we have
[20:40] throughout the community. So I will be supporting the motion.
[20:43] Thank you. Thank you so much Councillor. Councillor Agtrapp. Uh,
[20:46] thank you. And I won't repeat what has already been
[20:49] said. I just had a question through the staff about
[20:52] the definition, um, between neighbourhood and community parks. I know
[20:55] we have one park named North Shore community park, but
[20:59] we seem to, I just wanted to get clarity on
[21:01] what we define as neighbourhood versus community. So we go
[21:05] to the manager of the community services. Okay. Yep. Go
[21:15] ahead. Aaron's there. Yep. So my good, okay. Thanks. Um,
[21:20] yeah, through the chair, we have updated the classification system
[21:24] as part of the Parkland strategy that came to Council
[21:26] last year. So we are now simplifying the terminology in
[21:31] terms of active Parkland and natural parkland. And part of
[21:36] the thinking behind that was we do have destination parks
[21:40] in the system, but they also serve as neighbourhood and
[21:43] community parks. It's all in relation to, um, the use
[21:47] and access and, you know, as mentioned, proximity. For those
[21:51] that are there, uh, in that community. And the amenities
[21:54] that are within those parks serve those purposes for those,
[21:57] um, populations. So we focused more on access in terms
[22:01] of how much, how far people had to walk to
[22:05] Access Parkland and looked at gaps and filling those needs
[22:09] based on space and amenities. With that lens as opposed
[22:13] to getting too focused on the categories, which wasn't, wasn't
[22:20] sort of serving us in trying to evaluate need and
[22:23] gaps. Okay. Okay. I appreciate that. So basically what I'm
[22:26] hearing the neighbourhood and community, there is no difference. It's
[22:29] just really, um, we're talking about whether it's active or
[22:32] natural and how it's managed. Um, what's the goal of
[22:35] ensuring that all the parks are with every household has,
[22:41] I think a 400 metre or five minute walk to
[22:42] a park. That's a, that's a focus. We again looked
[22:45] at the way people access Park. So again, understanding what
[22:49] it takes to walk, whether you're crossing major roads or
[22:52] overpasses or, you know, what is between you and that
[22:55] part. So that was the focus. And again, the amenities
[22:58] and the distribution. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Morrison.
[23:02] Thank you. And I appreciate my colleague discussion on this
[23:06] item. And I do appreciate the report that we received
[23:08] as far as, uh, really highlighting some of the things
[23:10] that have been done in regards to, um, outdoor spaces,
[23:14] whether it be basketball courts or the activation of the
[23:16] pop - up barks. Um, especially the Kyle Centre one,
[23:18] which has been very, very well received over the last
[23:20] few years that I've seen with the mini golf and
[23:24] all that happening there. So I do want to give
[23:26] credit for the activation of spaces that have been just
[23:29] grass, for example, and the ability to do more activities
[23:31] on there. But I also appreciate the fact that since
[23:34] it has been such a huge priority for us to
[23:36] find ways to activate and keep these spaces as really
[23:40] community gathering spaces within these neighbourhoods to help relieve pressure
[23:45] on some of those other parks and playgrounds specifically, um,
[23:49] like Rocky Point Park playground or West Hill Park playground.
[23:53] There's only a few playgrounds of that larger size nature
[23:57] in the community. I think that we do need to
[23:59] look at how and where and what plan timeline we're
[24:02] going to be doing certain upgrades and certain neighbourhoods prioritizing
[24:06] them, create a roadmap. And then also talk with the
[24:09] community about what play structures they want to see when
[24:13] we talk about playground specifically. Um, as opposed to just
[24:16] perhaps a consultants report on what it might be local
[24:19] neighbourhoods might and parents might have a big input on
[24:21] what they want to see. They'll know their kids and
[24:24] what they want to play with. And kids will know
[24:25] what they want to play with as well. And I
[24:27] think we can really dive in a little deeper on
[24:29] those particular things in those neighbourhood parks. So, um, I
[24:32] am supportive of this motion to get more information. And
[24:35] I look forward to the discussion whether it happens to
[24:37] be before this term is up or into the next
[24:39] term on prioritizing those neighbourhood parks to relieve pressure from
[24:42] the big ones as well as make it a little
[24:44] more enjoyable for people to stay close to home in
[24:47] their own neighbourhoods. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Councillor Lurbecki.
[24:51] Thank you. So, um, my understanding is Council already gay
[24:55] direction. We received a report back. And what I'm hearing
[24:57] at the table here is that the desire for additional
[25:00] information from what we received back. So, so now I'm
[25:03] looking at this motion and I'm trying to understand what
[25:06] we're going to get back. Um, and maybe this is
[25:10] a question through the staff. If this is clear enough,
[25:14] so I understand, you know, that focuses on neighbourhood and
[25:16] community parks with consideration of capacity use future needs proxy
[25:20] me to homes. And it goes on. But I think
[25:23] what's missing from this motion is like, what is the
[25:26] goal or the vision or the lens through which we
[25:29] are directing staffed undertake this work? I know we've our
[25:32] parkland strategy, but I'm just a bit worried that this
[25:35] is so broad. I'm not sure what we're going to
[25:37] get back and how we'll make sure that's meeting our
[25:40] needs as well. Again, if we want to layering community
[25:42] engagement on that, I thought could be the missing piece
[25:44] here in terms of understanding what those needs are at
[25:48] those community parks. I'm not so sure that this will
[25:52] necessarily give the information that council is seeking if that's
[25:57] what I'm hearing. So through the staff, could you comment
[26:00] on if this is clear, if additional direction around, um,
[26:05] undertaking engagement that the neighbourhood level around parks, do we
[26:08] already have a really good idea of all of these
[26:11] tiny little neighbourhood parks that we have and how we're
[26:13] going to activate them. We just haven't written it down
[26:15] yet. Just through to staff, I want to make sure
[26:17] that the directions crystal clear. So, you know, we're not
[26:20] kind of back here again. So the question is with
[26:24] this direction, do you have a clear idea of what
[26:28] the motion is asking for. I would say we could
[26:33] use a little, a little more clarity perhaps, but I
[26:36] think that we could, um, start the process with what
[26:39] we presented as part of the Parkland strategy, which sort
[26:42] of mapped out each neighbourhood and what those existing amenities
[26:46] are as a starting point, uh, collate that with, um,
[26:50] engagement that we've done connected to a number of different
[26:53] strategies, including recreation facilities work as well as, you know,
[26:57] trails and other things. And bring back a bit of
[27:00] a picture in terms of where we're seeing our gaps,
[27:03] um, and what we've heard back to date and maybe
[27:06] outline with. I think that's what the Councillors are. Future
[27:09] work should focus. So. I think what we'll get back
[27:14] here, I think this is going to be a multi
[27:16] - stage, multi - step conversation is what I think
[27:19] was missing from this motion is a descriptor such as
[27:23] to activate or to blank. Um, this is information we
[27:27] can get back, but it's really missing the direction of
[27:30] Council in terms of what is our goal. If our
[27:32] goal is to activate these spaces, is it to make
[27:35] them for, for children, for seniors, or are we still
[27:38] asking, I guess, to figure that out to begin with.
[27:40] I think this is multi - layered. So I just
[27:42] wanted to point that out that this is very broad.
[27:46] So that's what they're working. You're right. It is going
[27:49] to be multi - staged because once we get that
[27:51] information, then we'll have to give further direction. But I
[27:53] think the city manager, um, wants to add in. Yeah.
[27:58] Thank you. Provide a comment. Thank you Mayor. I was
[28:00] just going to note, um, as Ms. Embley said, I
[28:02] think this is clear direction for staff. I did want
[28:06] to flag that, um, the needs of seniors and demographic
[28:09] shifts of the residents living near neighbourhood sites. That could
[28:12] be quite a bit of analysis and data collection. So
[28:16] I think our next touch point would be, because this
[28:18] is new work. It would go on to the intake
[28:20] list. We would come back with a report that may
[28:23] be in September it might be after. And then we'd
[28:25] start mapping out the layers that you're speaking to. And
[28:28] then we can also get a touch point with Council
[28:30] if that's on the right track is that the desired
[28:33] outcome. Okay. Thank you for that. I just want to
[28:35] point out that, you know, I appreciate this report. And
[28:38] I think given the direction that's been given, it's meeting,
[28:41] you know, the initial level of needs. And then we're
[28:43] continuing on this conversation, recognising that I do think the
[28:46] ASCAR is very broad. So it's going to be narrowed
[28:48] in scope as it keeps coming back to council unless
[28:50] something that I'm comfortable with to get to the root
[28:54] of what we're trying to achieve. So thank you. Thank
[28:56] you. Yeah. I agree with that. Um, Councillor, Councillor Knowles,
[29:01] you've already spoken Councillor Agrac, have you spoken to this
[29:05] item? Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Councillor Noels. Yeah. I just
[29:08] wanted to kind of respond to that because I mean,
[29:13] Councillor Libec is right. I think, um, from my perspective,
[29:17] and this is just a general direction to staff. You
[29:20] know, that 2022 report pointed out two underserved areas. And
[29:23] I think I've been wondering since that report, are those
[29:27] neighbourhoods actually underserved? So like an answer to those questions
[29:30] would be great. But the other, um, public engagement, I
[29:34] think it would be great for people in, if we
[29:36] could fold an opportunity for public engagement into, um, this
[29:41] neighbourhood work, because I would love to know which people
[29:43] feel like they don't have a neighbourhood park nearby. I
[29:46] think staff, when they come back with their, uh, project
[29:51] sort of proposal that will be, uh, that should be
[29:54] included in there. Those types of, um, opportunities. Thank you.
[29:59] Councillor Ag Toro. Thank you. I was just going to
[30:02] add that. I think this is, is kind of like
[30:04] a gap analysis taking the work that we've already done.
[30:08] And, you know, recognising that there has been significant work
[30:11] done on the parkland strategy. There's also, um, I think
[30:14] others mentioned some other reports that have been done. And
[30:16] it's really bringing that all together in one sort of,
[30:19] um, like merging that all and delivering it in an
[30:24] informational packet that is more, um, easily accessible. And so
[30:29] that we can really get down to, are there gap?
[30:32] Yeah. Yeah. Are there gaps existing and what, what decisions
[30:35] does Council need to make to fill those gaps? Yeah.
[30:37] Thank you. Thank you. City manager is going to wrap
[30:40] this one up. Thank you Mayor. I was just going
[30:42] to note it would help staff. And I think for
[30:44] clarity in the motion arising, if I'm able to suggest
[30:47] that just picking up on Councillor Lubick's comments and the
[30:50] Council Dialogue, if it actually also said and explore opportunities
[30:54] for neighbourhood engagement, okay. Yeah. Um, would that be okay
[30:58] if we add that in? I'll move that, um, amendment.
[31:03] I'll call the question on that all in favor. I'll
[31:06] just carry it. So we're incorporating that right into it
[31:07] so that that comes back with those opportunities. Yeah. Thank
[31:10] you again. I think that that's been made very clear
[31:14] tonight that Council really appreciated the work that was done
[31:17] to date on this. And we're, we're just wanting to
[31:20] further delve into that, uh, into those neighbourhood parks and
[31:25] figure out exactly where we need to make improvements and
[31:28] where the gaps are. So thank you. Um, I'll call
[31:30] the question on the amended motion all in favor. Opposed
[31:33] carried unanimously. Thank you so much, which brings us to
[31:36] item 7. 9, which is Councillor Lerbecky. Oh, I'm
[31:46] sorry. Go ahead. There we go. Um, so I pulled
[31:49] this pillar will not be supporting this. This is the
[31:51] development permit for BD development in Moody Centre, which is
[31:55] three towers up to 38 stories. Part of the 14
[31:58] tower plan framework call it what you will for the
[32:01] area. Um, reaching up to 40 stories. I am speaking
[32:05] to so many people in the community every single day
[32:08] and trying to find, um, majority support for the plan
[32:12] and moody centre is very, I'm not, I'm not finding
[32:15] it. So I can't be sporting this. I know that,
[32:18] you know, by the time we're getting to development permit,
[32:21] it seems like it's far down the road. I do
[32:23] have concern when we put something like this on consent,
[32:26] uh, this is still the largest tallest, most dense tower
[32:31] development in that area that we've seen. And it's on
[32:33] consent. I would have liked to actually seen it again
[32:36] and talked about it again. Um, I don't think that
[32:41] that's the right future for our city. And that's why
[32:44] I've pulled it. And I will not be supporting this
[32:47] tonight. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Dilworth. Do you
[32:51] know what I can see why some people might be
[32:52] confused about this being on the consent agenda, but I
[32:56] could through the staff get an explanation of exactly what
[32:59] this is because this is not final development permit. Go
[33:03] put shovels and ground at all. So if we can,
[33:06] I guess back through to Ms. Smith clarify exactly what
[33:09] this motion is. Oh, I see Mr. Wu coming up.
[33:12] Oh, okay. Go ahead, Mr. Wu. Yeah.
[33:22] Excuse me. Through the chair, this is a development permit
[33:24] for, um, B's development project in Moody Centre. And to
[33:29] answer the Councillor's question, it allows the developer to go
[33:34] forward with their project, uh, to the next stage, which
[33:37] would be to apply for a building permit and building
[33:40] permit for, um, foundation work and above groundworks. Great. Thank
[33:45] you. I was wondering people to know that this wasn't
[33:48] the final approval. Thank you. Councillor Lubick. Thank you so
[33:53] much. Uh, actually just had a couple of questions. So
[33:56] it was handy. Um, one of the questions that I
[33:59] had was, you know, I appreciated that the geotechnical report
[34:02] was very long and detailed. Um, and so I just
[34:06] wondered, um, you know, I know they're concerned sometimes around,
[34:10] um, you know, soil stability and things like that. So
[34:14] I was wondering if staff could just briefly touch on
[34:16] some of the, um, requirements for mitigation of that, um,
[34:21] also what our monitoring looks like during the construction process,
[34:24] whenever that happens. Through staff. Go ahead. Yeah. Through the
[34:30] chair, the development permit, we have, um, we have a
[34:32] development one is reform and character. So that allows, you
[34:35] know, development of the three buildings. And as the Councillor
[34:38] mentioned another development permit for hazardous land. So this is
[34:40] due to the potential of so liquefaction similar to much
[34:44] of the soils in Moody Centre, uh, it's not great.
[34:47] Um, but, you know, with through like mitigations, um, measures
[34:53] the land can be used safely and build safely on.
[34:57] In this case, the city is in receipt of a
[34:59] geotechnical report, which is also attached to the development permit.
[35:02] A number of recommendations were made by the geotechnical engineer
[35:05] on record regarding site preparation, groundwater cutoff, building foundation, slap
[35:10] on grade floors, site and foundation drainage systems and seismic
[35:13] design. So prior to construction, the engineer on record, um,
[35:21] the engineer would also be required to install the monitoring
[35:24] systems throughout the construction process. So, uh, in this case,
[35:28] it's the engineer on record that is doing the monitoring
[35:31] and not city staff in this case. But throughout the
[35:33] process, I believe city staff are notified on reports of
[35:37] the monitoring in place. That's great. Thank you so much.
[35:43] Um, I just have a few more questions. Uh, one
[35:45] is. You know, I know one of the concerns, this
[35:48] is not development related issue, but one of the concerns
[35:51] that I hear from folks is, you know, whether the
[35:55] number of jobs that this development would create. And I'm
[35:58] just wondering if staff can remind us how many jobs,
[36:01] um, this development would create versus what's going on. Three
[36:05] stuff. Yep. Through the chair, the commercial space plan for
[36:09] the project has a minimum of about 6, 300 square
[36:12] metres, which is about 68, 000 square feet, including retail
[36:16] office, um, a large child care facility. And so these
[36:19] uses altogether would add up to approximately 520 to 555
[36:23] jobs. Great. Thank you. And my last question is would
[36:28] you be able to just talk to, you know, this
[36:30] is the CD 94 space. So this is the towers.
[36:35] That's connected to the CB95, which is the supportive housing.
[36:40] And I know that's something that everyone cares very much
[36:42] about. I know there are many details. But, um, I'm
[36:45] just wondering if you could talk a little bit about
[36:47] how those two development permits work together at this stage.
[36:52] Yeah. So it's through the chair. It staffs understanding that
[36:54] the applicant is currently and actively finalising the broader funding
[36:59] framework with BC housing and its provincial partners. Um, and
[37:03] staff's conversations with the developer, it should be noted that
[37:05] there is still dedicated to providing this affordable housing facility
[37:09] in Port Moody and are working diligently to ensure that
[37:11] the project's long - term financial viability and the developers
[37:14] looking forward to continuing, um, the partnership with the city
[37:17] to navigate these next steps. Um, it is kind of
[37:20] challenging right now, but I will also note that as
[37:22] part of the development agreement that was registered on title
[37:25] as part of the rezoning application, um, the, uh, sorry,
[37:30] a housing agreement by law is required to come forward
[37:32] to Council and to be adopted prior to any superstructure
[37:37] building permit issuance. So prior to issuance before the towers
[37:42] are built, um, the city or the applicant or the
[37:46] developer in this case is required to have a housing
[37:48] agreement in place required to be approved by Council. Fantastic.
[37:52] So nothing about what we're passing tonight to make something
[37:54] changes to that. No. Thank you. I just thought it
[37:57] would be important for the public to hear. Yeah. Thank
[37:58] you so much. Um, I just want to clarify a
[38:01] couple of things. Like Council has given final approval to
[38:06] this application. This is the next step. Which is building,
[38:09] uh, sorry, which is development permit. And then the next
[38:11] step after that is the building permit. Um, so just
[38:14] to, just for clarity on that. But I, you know,
[38:17] there's, I appreciate Councillor Lubick bringing up the jobs that
[38:20] it's creating 555 jobs is not insignificant. And it is
[38:24] actually quite a significant increase to what exists there today.
[38:28] Um, and in addition, we've been hearing about, um, we've
[38:33] been hearing and getting, you know, sort of feedback about,
[38:38] about this application and about the fact that this isn't,
[38:41] uh, this is not providing enough, um, two or three
[38:44] bedroom homes. I want to just make it very clear
[38:49] on this development. Almost half of the units that are
[38:53] being proposed are two and three bedroom. And they are
[38:56] all above, um, they all exceed the required minimum FSR.
[39:02] So these are all good size units and a lot
[39:06] of them are designed for families and designed for people
[39:10] for multiple bedrooms. So that's important information. These are not,
[39:14] um, you know, these, these are not what is being
[39:17] characterized by some. And, you know, I think, I think
[39:21] it's important and it's also, um, a sign that the
[39:27] proponent that's bringing these forward is really, has really put
[39:30] a lot of thought into it. The other important aspect
[39:32] of this is, and I think we're sharing is the,
[39:35] uh, the way that these, um, that this development has
[39:38] been planned has been planned in a way that it
[39:41] can be flexible around market needs. So if there is
[39:46] a desire for more of one type of unit versus
[39:50] another, they have the ability to make those changes. So
[39:53] I think that that was one of the selling features
[39:55] for me at least. And in approving this application. All
[39:59] right. So it's been, has it been moved. Uh, no.
[40:02] Okay. Moved and seconded. I will call the question then
[40:06] all in favor. Opposed Councillor Labecky as opposed. Thank you.
[40:12] That brings us through the end of the consent agenda.
[40:16] Um, so we will now go to new business. So
[40:20] we have the first item, which is 205 Mount Royal,
[40:23] which is a development variance permit. There's a recommendation. Oh,
[40:28] and before we get to that, um, this is, we
[40:32] have an opportunity for public input on this specific item.
[40:37] And I will. And we also have a presentation. So
[40:41] we'll have the presentation first, Madam Clerk. And then we
[40:44] will, um, invite anyone in the public who has an
[40:47] interest in this specific application to come forward and provide
[40:50] comment if they wish. All right. Um, go ahead. Good
[40:57] evening. Um, I'll be presenting the development variance permit at
[41:02] 205 Mount Royal Drive. Yeah. Sorry.
[41:11] Just an issue here. With there we go. Um, so
[41:15] in July 2025, the applicant had applied for a minor
[41:20] DP air minor development permit for a four unit small
[41:23] scale. Multi - using housing development, a schmoo. Today we're
[41:28] asking for Council's consideration of development variants permit DVP0036 for
[41:36] two setbacks. Um, after Council consideration, the next steps for
[41:39] the applicant would include further refinement of the minor DP
[41:43] and eventually moving on to building permit. The subject property
[41:50] is located in the sea view neighbourhood. As you can
[41:54] see, it's boarded here by Mount Royal to the north.
[41:58] Gross Lane to the east and veterane to the south.
[42:03] The OCP designation is for low density residential and its
[42:07] zone semi detached residential RT. There is a class C
[42:15] water course or a ditch. Located adjacent to the property
[42:18] running parallel with the Eastern property line, long gross lane.
[42:23] The city zoning bylaw requires a five metre setback measured
[42:27] from top bank for all classy water courses. During the
[42:35] site planning for the four unit schmoo, the applicant felt
[42:38] that the required setbacks provided significant challenges for their site
[42:43] planning and what they were trying to achieve. In turn,
[42:46] the applicant is proposing a reduction to the riparian protection.
[42:51] And enhancement area. And the interior lot line setback. So
[42:55] as you see in the table, the RPEA requires five
[42:59] metres as per zoning bylaw. The applicant is proposing 2.
[43:02] 2 metres, which is a variance of 2. 8. Additionally,
[43:06] the interior side lot line requires a 1. 5 metre
[43:10] setback. The applicant is proposing 1. 2 metres with a
[43:14] variance of 0. 3 metres. The sight plan you see
[43:21] it in front of you illustrates the requested variances against
[43:24] the proposed schmoo sighting for two duplex buildings in a
[43:28] garage structure. The thick blue line at the bottom would
[43:33] be the ditch location. The thin blue line is the
[43:37] top of bank. The green dotted line would be the
[43:41] required setbacks. And the red dotted line is the proposed
[43:45] setback. It should be noted the applicant is respecting an
[43:50] additional 1. 2 metre buffer between the building and the
[43:54] proposed RPEA setback to allow for construction maintenance of the
[43:58] buildings and access without disrupting the RPEA. A restoration plan
[44:07] has been prepared by the applicant's QEP, which includes protection
[44:12] fencing and shrub planting. The restoration plan's been reviewed by
[44:17] staff and staff is satisfied with what's being provided. And
[44:22] that would conclude the presentation. Staff is satisfied with the
[44:26] respiration plan. They're satisfied with a variance. They think that
[44:29] that's an acceptable variance. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much.
[44:34] Councillor Knowles. Uh, I will move the recommendation. It's been
[44:39] moved. Oh, before we're just going to use this opportunity
[44:44] to ask any questions of staff. No. Okay. And public
[44:49] input of the Councillor Labecki. Did you have a question
[44:52] of staff? I did. Um, do we know the size
[44:55] of these units? Did you say. The final site design
[45:02] is still being refined through the minor DP process. But
[45:06] with the variants, uh, they could have, and the permitted
[45:12] FAR for the zone of 0. 8. They could have
[45:14] up to 6, 100 square feet across the four units.
[45:19] And without the variance, they would be allowed up to
[45:25] 4, 900 square feet across the four units. Another question
[45:29] through the staff. If we do not grant the variance,
[45:33] my understanding is that the lot in titlement exists. However,
[45:38] it has to fall within our regulations and requirements as
[45:42] a city. So if we were to not grant this
[45:44] variance, would the applicant then simply have to figure out
[45:48] how to bring something forward, whether that's three units, um,
[45:51] for example, that did follow our rules and requirements under
[45:55] the zoning. Is that correct? Through the chair, yes, that's
[45:58] correct. If the variance wasn't granted, um, the applicant would
[46:02] need to relook their site design as to how they
[46:06] want to propose their schmoo. Okay. Thank you. I'll leave
[46:08] it there and leave my comments till after Republican put.
[46:11] Okay. Thank you. Councillor Agtrap question for staff? Yes. Thank
[46:16] you. Can you repeat, um, what the size would be
[46:19] if they had, if variants weren't granted. Sure. Yes. Through
[46:23] the chair, um, this would be an approximate measure. So
[46:30] sorry, without the variance, it would be 4, 900 square
[46:34] feet across the four units. Okay. Thank you. And with
[46:38] it, it's 6, 000 hundred. Yeah. Thank you. Approximate. Okay.
[46:45] Uh, Councillor Morrison, question for staff? Yes, it is. Go
[46:49] ahead. Uh, besides the, uh, environmental setback variants that we're
[46:54] talking about right now, does it meet all other requirements
[46:56] of the schmu, um, setbacks from all the other lines,
[47:01] et cetera, and would comply in every other way. Do
[47:04] the chair. So this would be specific to the zoning
[47:08] bylaw. Any of the schmoo requirements would be for the
[47:11] review doing the minor DP process. So their occurring concurrently,
[47:17] but, uh, the minor DP would need to be for
[47:18] the refined once the applicant has for the direction regarding
[47:21] the setback variances. So the answer to that question is
[47:26] you're not sure. Well, sorry. The question is, are there
[47:31] any other variances or any other, um, is the, is
[47:35] the proposal asking to go outside of the scope of
[47:37] what we have as our schmug guidelines. Other than the
[47:41] variants. So the schmo get, no, just, pardon me, just
[47:49] the setbacks. Oh, I'll let Ms. Smith answer, perhaps maybe.
[47:53] Go ahead, Ms. Smith. Yes. Uh, thank you, three worship.
[47:56] Um, so in this case, it's been given a high
[47:58] level review. So in terms of set facts and so
[48:00] forth, all the big moves, uh, this has been identified,
[48:04] or these have been identified as the two variances that
[48:06] would be required. I think, um, what, uh, what the
[48:10] staff member is referring to is more, the, you know,
[48:12] building code review. There's more minor tweaks that may need
[48:14] to happen. But in terms of the big moves, the
[48:16] big pieces, this is what has been identified. I guess
[48:19] the question is, other than the variants, does this meet
[48:24] our schmo requirements. It within our own, within our own,
[48:29] um. Within our, within our own guidelines. Through the chair,
[48:35] my understanding is, yes, we would have done a complete
[48:37] zoning review. Okay. So it should be more only more
[48:39] minor building code type issues. Perfect. So in other words,
[48:42] without answering, yes category C water course. It would be
[48:46] in compliance with the schmo guidelines for a four units
[48:48] on this size of property. It's basically what I'm trying
[48:51] to get at. So, okay. Thank you very much. I
[48:53] appreciate that confirmation. Thank you. I don't see any other.
[49:00] You want to, you put your. Okay. I don't see
[49:03] any other hands up. So thank you very much for
[49:04] that. Um, at this point I'm going to open it
[49:08] up for public for any member of the public who
[49:10] feels that they want to weigh in or comment on
[49:13] this application. And if you're online, please use the raised
[49:18] hand function. I'll call a second time. Is there anybody
[49:22] who wishes to address counsel with regards to this. A
[49:27] third and final time. Seeing none, then we will close
[49:31] the public input and we will move to, uh, Council
[49:35] Comets. Councillor Knowles. I will remove the recommendation. Thank you.
[49:41] Thank you. Um, is there a seconder. Okay. Thank you.
[49:46] So, um, I just wanted to say that I appreciated
[49:48] the, um, the report from staff on this. I actually
[49:51] know this property quite well. I've driven through this neighbourhood
[49:55] trillion times over the years. Um, so I did a
[49:58] little site visit today of my own. And, um, and
[50:01] was, was quite satisfied that staff's recommendation makes sense to
[50:04] me. Yeah. The ditches, I mean, you wouldn't even know
[50:08] it was there. So, um, I think for the, for
[50:11] the benefits that are going to come to this development
[50:13] in terms of size for the four units, um, and
[50:17] the fact that, um, this neighbourhood, we're seeing more of
[50:21] these in this neighbourhood. And I don't think it's going
[50:23] to be out of place. Uh, I'm happy to support
[50:25] this one. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Lerbecki. Thank
[50:31] you. Actually, if it's okay. So I have one more
[50:33] question for staff. Um, if I answer how much yard
[50:37] space is there. If you have kids living in this
[50:40] unit, how big is the yard for them to play
[50:42] in. Through the chair, the final sight planning still needs
[50:48] to be, um, refined. But, uh, the schmo requirements require
[50:53] a minimum of 10 metres squared for all, uh, individual
[50:56] units. So they would still have to comply with our
[51:02] regulations around what the green space requirement was. Okay. Um,
[51:09] 10 metres squared. Interesting. So we hear a lot about
[51:15] the provincial legislation at this table. And this is an
[51:17] example where the decision sits with council. And my strong
[51:21] view is if we want to, um, given this legislation
[51:27] is overlaid now in our single family lots. If we
[51:30] view our entire city with this potential, that is where
[51:33] I get very uncomfortable with approving variances like this. Because
[51:39] I don't think that setting a very good precedent. I
[51:41] think if we, um, want to point fingers on legislation,
[51:44] we claim that we have all these issues with. Then
[51:46] when we do have control, we should take back control
[51:48] of what we do. And my strong view is if
[51:51] you're not following our variances, that you should build less
[51:54] units or come back with a plan that follows our
[51:57] rules. They're there for a reason. I don't think we
[52:00] can be granting variances across every schmu application that comes
[52:03] our way. Um, I feel very strongly about that. Just
[52:07] because something has a word duplex beside it or townhome.
[52:10] That's definitely the housing I want to see built. But
[52:12] I'm not going to raise my hand in approval for
[52:14] anything. And, and for me as a councillor, it's been
[52:19] pretty consistent. If my support is to be provided for
[52:23] development applications, if our rules and our expectations are fully
[52:27] followed, chances are you'll get my support. So I'm not
[52:30] going to be supporting this variance. I think that the
[52:33] SEPAC should be not halved. The side going down to,
[52:38] you know, variants of down to 1. 2. So I
[52:41] won't be supporting this. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor
[52:46] Agtarot. Thank you. Um, one more question for staff on
[52:50] final question. If there was no ditch with this project
[52:52] need variances. Through the chair, if there was no ditch,
[52:56] then, um, the applicant would have the full space to
[53:01] develop on. Okay. So I think that, thank you. I
[53:04] think, um, for me, because it's, it's a ditch. It
[53:07] doesn't have any aquatic life. It's, it's simply for stormwater
[53:10] conveyance. Um, to, um, require, um, full setbacks from this
[53:17] ditch. And by doing that, the units would be likely
[53:21] be 300 square feet smaller. Yep. Um, and we have
[53:25] said family friendly housing is a priority. And this is
[53:29] an example of roughly 1500 square feet of family friendly
[53:33] housing, um, and, and to make it smaller each unit
[53:37] smaller by 300 square feet for a ditch that doesn't
[53:41] convey water and does not hold any aquatic life. Um,
[53:45] seems like a reasonable trade off to me. So I'll
[53:47] be supporting. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I, I feel
[53:51] the same way Councillor Dilworth. Thank you. I'm going to
[53:55] speak in support of the application. I think one of
[53:59] the key points for me is the uniqueness of the
[54:01] property being enclosed by roadways on three sides, which ensures
[54:07] adequate and appropriate egraphs to the ingress egress to the
[54:11] property. Um, I also think it's very fitting in the
[54:14] neighbourhood. We've seen over the past couple of years we've
[54:17] seen property owners, uh, evolved, their single family property lots,
[54:23] um, either by subdividing, by doing, uh, small house subdivision.
[54:29] And I think looking at two duplexes is a right
[54:33] mix. And not just for, for families, you know, I
[54:36] think a number of people that live up in the
[54:38] sea view Glenair, even college park area are still older
[54:42] families and they are looking to downsize. They have children
[54:45] that are looking for access to homes. This could be
[54:48] generational property. This could be having elderly parents move in.
[54:53] I think it's exactly what Schmoo housing is meant to
[54:56] be. And I'm very supportive of it. What else have
[55:00] I got here? And the 10 by 10 green space
[55:02] for every unit, that's a lot of green space on
[55:05] that particular piece of property, I think. And I will
[55:08] just, I'm not going to repeat everything that Councillor Egg
[55:11] Trap said, but certainly one of the winning points for
[55:15] me was the severance does allow for larger units and
[55:19] more living space for whoever's going to live there. So
[55:22] I am going to support this application this evening. Thank
[55:25] you. Uh, Councillor Morrison, go ahead. Thank you. Um, I
[55:30] appreciated staff answers those questions and thank you Councillor Egg
[55:33] Trapp for bringing in clarifying a couple of those things
[55:36] for us about the, um, the water course, um, category
[55:40] C. Um, we have a goal as a council to
[55:46] try to work with people to provide housing solutions. Um,
[55:50] just, just because we're asking for a variance on this
[55:53] one thing, we need to look at each individual application
[55:56] regardless of what it is, whether it happens to be
[55:58] a townhouse development, um, a schmud designation development or a
[56:03] tower based on its individual merits and what is providing
[56:06] to the community in that moment. Um, I appreciate that
[56:09] the province did not do any consultation with the city
[56:11] before rolling these things in. And I've mentioned that many,
[56:15] many times before. But when, when, when we're not able
[56:19] to provide another family sized unit for somebody because of
[56:22] a ditch in the way that has no bearing environmentally
[56:26] on anything around it. And staff are comfortable with this
[56:29] report. And we're going to say, let's reduce the unit
[56:32] by one. It's providing all on site parking, one per
[56:37] unit. So we're not saying it's going to overflow into
[56:39] other units. Um, it's, it's a larger size, which is
[56:44] part of that missing middle that we're trying to provide.
[56:47] Um, that we hear from this Council table all the
[56:50] time about trying to provide more missing mental housing. And
[56:53] then we're going to say no because we're doing a
[56:55] variance. This is not a blanket statement we're going to
[56:58] create a precedent that every single, uh, Class C water
[57:01] course is going to be a variance. The fact that
[57:03] it has the back lane, the fact that it's on
[57:06] the end of a unit and has the side as
[57:08] well, um, and that this happens to be underneath the,
[57:11] uh, right on the edge of the property line. Let's
[57:14] try to work with people to find solutions instead of
[57:16] just putting up barriers. We need to stop finding solutions
[57:21] instead of excuses to provide family housing. And I'm hearing
[57:24] too much of that, um, whether it happens to be
[57:27] a tower site that has 45 percent of its unit,
[57:31] or it happens to be this, which is going to
[57:33] be all family units. Let's find ways to work with
[57:35] people to provide this. We're still in a housing crisis
[57:38] here. Right. And we still need to be providing this.
[57:41] And I think we need to look at the individual
[57:43] merits instead of trying to make blanket statements about not
[57:47] allowing something because it needs a variance and trying to
[57:49] push back as if that's the way to push back
[57:51] on the government's mandates. So, um, those are my thoughts.
[57:55] Sonic, I'm going to be supporting this application because I
[57:56] do believe in larger family size homes. And we don't
[57:59] get a ton of them. Um, brought in. If this
[58:02] was two lots and it had eight units on it
[58:03] as townhomes, we'd be very happy to have townhouses there.
[58:06] So the fact that this has four units on it,
[58:08] consider it like a very small townhouse complex in a
[58:10] way. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Lubeck. Thank you so
[58:14] much. I'll be brief. Um, you know, I appreciate the
[58:17] conversation at the table, honestly. You know, I would have
[58:21] a lot more concerns if this was a development that
[58:24] covered the entire property that did not have permeable surfaces
[58:28] and play areas. And if the riparian area was anything
[58:32] other than class C. And so I really appreciate that
[58:35] staff have worked with the applicant to be able to,
[58:38] you know, make adjustments. Um, and I just wanted to
[58:41] say like, I think it's very important that we do
[58:45] look at things application by application. Um, just, was it
[58:52] last week, last week, I think we had an application
[58:54] where council was not satisfied with the setbacks and said
[58:59] so and pushed back. And we'll see what happens there.
[59:02] But technically that was allowed. Um, this, well, that was
[59:07] a love by provincial legislation on our legislation. But this
[59:11] meets the goals that we're trying to achieve. And, um,
[59:17] yeah, I just think it's important that we look at
[59:19] things on an individual basis and not necessarily. Not necessarily
[59:23] make blanket recommendations. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Yeah. I
[59:31] mean, I'm looking at all the notes that I took,
[59:33] um, when I was reviewing this report. And as I
[59:36] was listening to, um, to staff's answers and sort of
[59:40] my, my thoughts, I wrote, I feel that we need
[59:44] to look at each application as a unique opportunity to
[59:47] provide in fill housing. And we cannot, we have to
[59:52] approach this with the, with, with the notion that we
[59:58] sit at this table, as has been mentioned. And we
[1:00:00] talk about how important housing for families is. This is
[1:00:04] housing for families. And to simply say, no, because there's
[1:00:09] a variance. To me, just is really counterintuitive to what
[1:00:14] it is that we're trying to achieve here. I mean,
[1:00:16] I had somebody ask me the other day. What are
[1:00:19] you doing? What have you done for family housing? Well,
[1:00:22] these are the kinds of applications that we want to
[1:00:24] see. So we're looking at the difference between four, 1500
[1:00:28] square foot units versus four 1200 square units. Like why,
[1:00:34] like, if I had an opportunity to increase a housing
[1:00:38] for families by 300 square feet, that's significant for a
[1:00:42] family. And you would not want to, um, to, to
[1:00:47] minimize that. So of course, um, I'm going to support
[1:00:49] this. And again, we need to look at these applications
[1:00:52] as unique opportunities for housing and not try to blank
[1:00:55] it, put a blanket across all applications that come forward.
[1:00:59] This does not in any way negate the criticism that
[1:01:02] we had around the way that this, that this legislation
[1:01:05] came in. And the fact that there was no consultation.
[1:01:09] And the fact that we didn't plan for many of
[1:01:10] the areas in the city that are calling for this
[1:01:13] type of infill development to occur. However, this neighbourhood actually
[1:01:16] did, does contemplate that directly across the street. There's townhouse
[1:01:21] development and around the corner. So this is the ideal
[1:01:24] neighbourhood for this type of infill housing. This is a
[1:01:26] perfect lot. It has been mentioned. It has, uh, for
[1:01:29] the exposures on, on the side. And, you know, I
[1:01:32] just, I just think it would be like, what are
[1:01:35] we trying to prove if we say no? Because the
[1:01:37] variance. When this is exactly the kind of housing that
[1:01:40] we're asking for is it makes no sense to me.
[1:01:44] Um, so yes, of course, I will be supporting this.
[1:01:48] So we'll call the question that for the record, I
[1:01:53] just want to note that the statutory notification requirements have
[1:01:55] been met and there were no written submissions received in
[1:01:58] response to that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh,
[1:02:00] so I'll call the question then all in favor. Opposed
[1:02:04] Councillor Larbecki as opposed. All right. Great. We'll move on
[1:02:09] to the next item. Which is Heritage Alteration Permit 101
[1:02:17] First Avenue. And this is for school district 43. Welcome.
[1:02:22] Thank you.
[1:02:55] Good evening Mayor and Council. My name is Terrence Chang
[1:02:58] and I'm the development planner responsible for this project on
[1:03:01] one - on - one First Avenue. Tonight, Council will
[1:03:06] be considering the heritage alteration permit and development permit application
[1:03:09] for this project. At the applications are approved by Council,
[1:03:13] the project will be able to move, sorry. Will be
[1:03:17] able to move forward to the building permit stage. Following
[1:03:21] the issuance of the heritage alteration permit and the development
[1:03:24] permit. Subject site is a corner lot located at the
[1:03:29] intersection of IOCA Road and First Avenue. The proposed site
[1:03:33] consists of one legal parcel that is a heritage protected
[1:03:36] site. The city and the school district currently has a
[1:03:39] joint use agreement to utilise the site. The site is
[1:03:45] zone P1, which accommodates public service uses on public land,
[1:03:49] including cultural recreational and administrative uses. Surrounding uses include commercial,
[1:03:55] residential, and recreational spaces. The site requires an environmental development
[1:04:00] permit as a portion of the site to the east
[1:04:03] is classified as a high environmentally sensitive area. The site
[1:04:08] is also within Dioko Townsite Heritage Conservation Area, which envisions
[1:04:12] an opportunity to act as a generator of new development
[1:04:15] with opportunities for adaptive reuse sensitive infill and revitalization. Imperial
[1:04:25] oil established the planned iocal town site in the early
[1:04:27] 1920s. As a refinery, uh, was located in an isolated
[1:04:32] area, the lacked road access until 1925. The town was
[1:04:36] officially opened on October 1st, 1921 and contained two churches,
[1:04:41] a community hall, a post office, a Bowling Green and
[1:04:44] Clubhouse, tennis courts, and a sports field. The town's opening
[1:04:49] also included a school, which was located at the entry
[1:04:52] of the town. And across from the Ayoko Church, the
[1:04:55] Bowling Green and the CPR Railway track. The school was
[1:04:59] a wood frame construction with wooden lap siding at the
[1:05:02] Foundation Level and Cedar's shingles above. All the children and
[1:05:06] the town site attended the school, providing education ranging from
[1:05:09] the first grade to university entry classes. The semi -
[1:05:13] detached gymnasium was constructed in the late 1950s. Historical records
[1:05:18] indicate that the school transitioned to an elementary school sometime
[1:05:21] in the mid - 20th century and was converted to
[1:05:24] an alternate school in the mid - 1990s. The school
[1:05:28] officially closed in 2005 and school district 43 has continually
[1:05:32] maintained the school following its closure. The application being considered
[1:05:39] tonight proposes interior and exterior renovation to the IOCA school
[1:05:43] site to accommodate 150 space licensed childcare facility. The proposal
[1:05:49] seeks to preserve the wood frame structure and character -
[1:05:52] defining elements of the school. Rehabilitate the interior to approve
[1:05:56] functionality of the space and provide upgrades to mechanical and
[1:06:00] electrical systems, seismic integrity, and accessibility. A heritage consultant has
[1:06:06] been retained by the applicant and has worked collaboratively with
[1:06:10] staff to ensure minimal impact on the heritage value of
[1:06:13] the building. The heritage consultant will remain oversight of the
[1:06:18] building during construction. Oh, sorry. Outdoor play and covered areas
[1:06:24] are also proposed with an accessibility ramp located to the
[1:06:28] east of the site to provide access to the upper
[1:06:30] floor of the school from the outside. Once constructed, the
[1:06:34] project will include 36 spaces for infant and toddlers, 66
[1:06:38] bases for children's ages three to five and 48 spaces
[1:06:42] for school - age children for before and after school
[1:06:44] care. The facility will be run by a non -
[1:06:48] profit childcare operator and will deliver affordable childcare fees to
[1:06:52] the province's fee reduction program. 20 vehicle parking spaces are
[1:06:56] being proposed along with outdoor bicycle and indoor bicycle parking
[1:07:00] spaces. Following the results of the traffic impact assessment, the
[1:07:05] application, the applicant will explore circulation constraints with staff resulting
[1:07:10] from pickup and drop - off. Options to alleviate parking
[1:07:15] concerns may include dedicating parking spaces for pickup and drop
[1:07:19] - off, an additional bicycle parking spaces. In conclusion, in
[1:07:25] the words of the applicant, since its closure in 2005,
[1:07:29] the 1921 Iocal Schoolhouse, a designated heritage landmark and Port
[1:07:34] Moody has long - awaited a second act. Staff are
[1:07:38] supportive this proposal as the adaptive reuse of the school
[1:07:42] site represents a balanced approach to heritage preservation while providing
[1:07:46] 150 new childcare spaces to the community. Thank you very
[1:07:51] much. I would also like to note that there was
[1:07:54] a minor clerical error in the report and that the
[1:07:56] correct report has been provided as an on - table
[1:07:58] attachment. Staff and the applicant team are available to answer
[1:08:02] any questions. Thank you. Right. I'll go to Council.
[1:08:11] Nobody. Oh, Councillor Act Raph. I like to move the
[1:08:16] recommendation. Okay, it's been moved and seconded. And I just
[1:08:18] like to thank the applicant, which is the school board,
[1:08:21] I think, for imagining, reimagining this space as, um, a
[1:08:27] community benefit that school has been empty for a while.
[1:08:31] And I really appreciate the efforts in going through the
[1:08:34] efforts of preserving the heritage while creating much - needed
[1:08:39] childcare spaces in our community. So I fully support this.
[1:08:42] Thank you, Councillor Councillor Dilworth. I will second second this
[1:08:46] report. And I want to say that was a great
[1:08:49] representation that you made. I really appreciated the sort of
[1:08:53] historic angle and storytelling around the application. So I really
[1:08:56] appreciated that. Um, first of all, I want to give
[1:09:01] extreme gratification to the school district who have literally spent
[1:09:06] decades committing to maintaining the integrity. And all the appropriate
[1:09:13] care to keep this, uh, building in a space where
[1:09:18] it can be reused. Far too many times at this
[1:09:21] table, we see many of our older and historic buildings
[1:09:25] being denigrated due to lack of maintenance. So, um, big
[1:09:29] thank you to the school district for that. Uh, absolutely
[1:09:33] going to support this. I am excited to see a
[1:09:35] new gathering space in that part of our city. It's
[1:09:38] not just going to be a child care centre with
[1:09:41] the field renovated with the space there. I think it's
[1:09:44] going to be very welcome at that end of the
[1:09:47] city. So I do support this. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor
[1:09:51] Councillor Knowles. Uh, yeah, I won't be labour much of
[1:09:54] what my colleagues have said. I am two main things.
[1:09:57] I'm also excited to see this area come back to
[1:09:59] life literally. It's quite dead and dusty and brown in
[1:10:03] that area right now. And I think having a bunch
[1:10:05] of, um, happily playing children will be lovely. Um, I
[1:10:09] also wanted to send, um, sincere thanks to the school
[1:10:12] board, we've had some really productive and just overly generous
[1:10:18] meetings, I feel with the school board lately. And it
[1:10:21] has been really nice to, um, for this council, I
[1:10:24] feel like to, to rebuild those relationships and to get
[1:10:27] back on track. And I'm really looking forward to working
[1:10:30] together with them on future projects. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor
[1:10:34] Lerbecki. Thank you. Just wanted to say how excited I
[1:10:38] am for this project. Uh, when you think of a
[1:10:41] place that, again, we're speaking of space for children, 10
[1:10:44] square metres is not very big. And when you're thinking
[1:10:46] of, I think that's 107 square feet of Google is
[1:10:50] correct. So when I think of a place where children
[1:10:53] should be playing, this is exactly the type of location
[1:10:55] that I think is ideal in terms of, um, the,
[1:10:59] not only the exciting building renovation that will be undertaken.
[1:11:03] And the historic, uh, nature of this spot that can
[1:11:06] be learning opportunity for families and children attending there. But
[1:11:10] the setting that it's in as well. So it's very,
[1:11:12] very exciting. It's going to deliver much needed childcare. And
[1:11:17] I just can't wait for it to be finished. I
[1:11:18] know I've heard that from many people in the community.
[1:11:20] So thank you so much. Thank you. Uh, Councillor Lubick.
[1:11:25] Thank you so much. Yeah. I'll be brief. Just very
[1:11:28] much appreciate all the work that's been done. And 150
[1:11:33] new child care spaces is really impressive. And well being
[1:11:38] able and for a variety of ages. I'm really excited
[1:11:42] to see this. I also, as you were speaking was
[1:11:46] kind of reflecting on just the history again of the,
[1:11:49] of the site. And, you know, that's the importance of,
[1:11:53] the importance in preserving those buildings because it captures the
[1:11:56] stories of, you know, how we got, where we are.
[1:12:01] And this is a new chapter in that story. Um,
[1:12:04] and so I think it's, I think it's a very
[1:12:06] special project. So thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah.
[1:12:10] I would only add that. I hope that we'll have
[1:12:12] an opportunity to sort of integrate some of that history
[1:12:15] into the building in terms of perhaps maybe a plaque
[1:12:19] acknowledging the origins of the building along those lines, something
[1:12:23] like that. But, um, yeah, I'm, I'm also very supportive
[1:12:25] of this. I will call the question all in favor.
[1:12:29] Opposed carry unanimously. Thank you very much, Mr. Chang. Thank
[1:12:33] you. Thank you. Next item is 11. 3, which is
[1:12:37] Kyle Centre redevelopment project update and request for additional capital.
[1:12:42] We have a, yeah, we have a presentation. Great. Thank
[1:12:45] you.
[1:13:11] Go ahead. Good evening Mayor Council. Thank you for the
[1:13:15] opportunity tonight to bring you an update on the Calo
[1:13:18] Centaury Development project. I'm going to start, uh, start with,
[1:13:24] uh, sharing the proposed conceptual design that was shared recently
[1:13:30] during the second round public engagement, uh, before I go
[1:13:33] into some more details on the next step for the
[1:13:37] project. Just a recap that the project is proposed to
[1:13:43] take place over four phases. We're currently in the first
[1:13:47] phase or the conceptual design phase, uh, we've done a
[1:13:50] couple rounds of public engagement and the main deliverables for
[1:13:56] this current phase, uh, would include a final concept design
[1:14:02] along with class D cost estimates and funding strategies. And
[1:14:07] if Council approves, uh, then we'll go forward to the
[1:14:10] next phase, which would be detailed design to be followed
[1:14:13] by phase three construction of the community centre in plaza.
[1:14:17] And then followed by phase four construction of Kyle Park.
[1:14:24] Um, so, uh, on the screen there, there's a number
[1:14:28] of key themes that came out of round one engagement.
[1:14:32] I'm not going to go into details here, but I
[1:14:34] would just name a couple such as connecting indoor and
[1:14:37] outdoor spaces and finding a balance between flexible and specific
[1:14:40] users for this basis. Um, I just want to note
[1:14:43] that these, uh, he, themes were all considered, uh, in
[1:14:47] during the development of the conceptual design. So this is
[1:14:54] a concept plan overview. You can see that, uh, the
[1:15:00] community centre is proposed to be situated right across from
[1:15:04] the pomo arts building. The commute centre is setting it
[1:15:10] at about 39, 000 square feet, which is more than
[1:15:14] two and a half times of the existing cow centre,
[1:15:16] which is at 11, 000 square feet. Um, so in
[1:15:20] front of the commute centre, there's the plaza area. And
[1:15:24] then down south, you see the existing cow park. There's
[1:15:28] plans to do some renewals and updates to this existing
[1:15:33] portion of Cal Park. And then to the north, uh,
[1:15:37] here's the expanded portion of Kyle Park. And in this
[1:15:40] concept design, the Kyle Street is proposed to be closed
[1:15:44] between St. Andrews and St. George, uh, to provide better
[1:15:48] connection between the plaza and the park space. We're also
[1:15:52] looking at potentially closing portion of St George, as noted
[1:15:56] here in the blue box. And there's nothing happening in
[1:16:00] the Westernmost portion of the project site, but we have
[1:16:06] research sufficient area for potential future low cost housing of
[1:16:11] Council So Directs in the future. So this is a
[1:16:16] 3D illustration of the proposed concept plan. Again, you can
[1:16:20] see the community centre right here, the plaza right here.
[1:16:26] The renewed cow part to the south as well as
[1:16:29] the expanded chiropart to the north. And then also the,
[1:16:32] um, closed section of Cow Street through support connection between
[1:16:37] the outdoor spaces. Um, the community centre sits on one
[1:16:42] and a half levels of underground parkade. And you can
[1:16:45] see the parquet ramp right here with entrance from St.
[1:16:49] Andrew Street. The proposed community centre has two floors. Uh,
[1:16:58] this is the ground floor plan. The main entrance is
[1:17:02] right here, uh, from Kyle Street. As you go in
[1:17:07] on your left would be the reception area, uh, as
[1:17:11] well as the weight room. And on your right would
[1:17:13] be a lounge area for people to socialize and chat.
[1:17:17] And then further, would be the youth senior space games
[1:17:21] room. And a fitness multipurpose space. Here's washrooms and showers.
[1:17:29] And then down here is the gym, which is big
[1:17:31] enough to fit, um, four pickleball courts. Moving on to
[1:17:36] the second floor, um, we have the arts multipoppers space,
[1:17:41] uh, which is strategically placed there to look across over
[1:17:45] to the pomo arts building. We have a meeting room
[1:17:50] in the middle here. And then, uh, unallocated programmable space
[1:17:54] to the left. And then down south, um, we have
[1:17:58] an event multipurpose space. There is also a prep kitchen
[1:18:03] that's attached to the events multipurpose space to support warming
[1:18:09] up of any catered food. It's not a commercial great
[1:18:12] kitchen. So we do not intend that to be producing
[1:18:16] food or major cooking in that area. So this is
[1:18:24] an East elevation view of the building. Um, so you're
[1:18:28] looking basically standing on Cal Street looking west towards the
[1:18:32] building. You can see the plaza area, um, we do
[1:18:36] intend to, um, program it throughout the year to make
[1:18:39] it a very vibrant space. In the image here, you
[1:18:42] can see a little, um, uh, concert happening at the
[1:18:46] corner, um, further to the, to the north. You see
[1:18:51] a little area here. This is a handy dart pickup
[1:18:55] drop off area, uh, which would provide a short distance
[1:19:00] to the main entrance, which is right here. Uh, I
[1:19:04] do want to note that there is a little slide
[1:19:06] here for children to go down from the, um, uh,
[1:19:11] from up here to the plaza as the caregivers or
[1:19:14] parents go down the stairs themselves. Um, so again, this
[1:19:19] is the main entrance. And then to the right is
[1:19:22] the lounge as well as the youth and senior space.
[1:19:25] I mentioned earlier to the left is the, uh, staff
[1:19:28] of reception area, uh, and then the weight room, uh,
[1:19:32] to the left here. There is an accessible washroom here
[1:19:37] that's intended for park or plaza users. So they could
[1:19:40] access from the outside and without, um, going through the
[1:19:43] building. And then upstairs, you can see the, uh, arts
[1:19:47] multipurpose space on the right and the event multipurpose space
[1:19:52] on the left. So I'm going to take you through
[1:19:58] a few renderings of the building of the interior of
[1:20:02] the building. Um, so the left image here basically are
[1:20:06] you standing at the entrance. You can see that there
[1:20:09] is a long corridor that runs through the length of
[1:20:13] the building that all the spaces open into. Um, so
[1:20:17] you can see the seating area of the lounge on
[1:20:21] the right. On the left is the, um, reception area.
[1:20:25] There's also a couple elevators that would take you up
[1:20:27] to, um, the upper floor or down to the parquet.
[1:20:33] The image on the, I'm sorry. Um, the image on
[1:20:36] the right is just a different rendering showing further down
[1:20:41] the corridor as you walk towards the west. You have
[1:20:45] the, uh, fitness multipurpose space to the right and the
[1:20:48] gym to the left. So this rendering, um, shows a
[1:20:55] better inside of the gynacium. You can see also that
[1:20:59] there's glazing along the walls here upper floor as well
[1:21:03] as lower for people to look into the gym for
[1:21:08] parents to look into their gym. If they're dropping off
[1:21:10] their children for different activities or lessons here. The image
[1:21:18] on the right is again, a look through the corridor,
[1:21:23] but you're standing on the west side of the building
[1:21:26] and looking back at towards the entrance. Just want to
[1:21:30] note that there are, um, a lot of opportunities on
[1:21:32] the wall spaces for different art display. Uh, so moving
[1:21:39] on up to the second floor, again, we're looking towards
[1:21:45] the entrance. We have the Arts multipurpose space on the
[1:21:48] left. And then, um, the events multipurpose space on the
[1:21:52] right. There's quite generous space for people to gather or
[1:21:59] to wait before an event happens. Which could be a
[1:22:02] wedding or a conference, et cetera. Uh, the image on
[1:22:06] the right shows the interior space of the arts multipurpose
[1:22:10] space. You can see that there is a lot of
[1:22:11] glazing, um, included, um, to provide as much natural light
[1:22:16] as possible for any artist that who might be working
[1:22:19] in that space. So this renderer here, um, shows
[1:22:29] a quick look, our overview of the outdoor spaces, um,
[1:22:33] we have the expanded Kyle Park right in front in
[1:22:39] the forefront. The closed section of Kyle Street and then
[1:22:43] the plaza in front of the, um, centre. And then
[1:22:47] the, um, the renewed cow park to the south. So
[1:22:50] you can see that there is a lot of different
[1:22:52] types of equipment and play features that are shown in
[1:22:55] the playground here, um, but these are really, um, just
[1:23:00] placeholders. We do intend that to have different structures and,
[1:23:04] uh, features to provide a wide range of play values
[1:23:08] for children of different ages. Um, I do want to
[1:23:12] note that there is an accessible path that goes around
[1:23:15] the core portion of the playground here. And that accessible
[1:23:18] path also connects to the closed section of Kyle Street
[1:23:24] and the Plaza in front of the committee centre. The
[1:23:32] image on the left shows the stepped terrorists that are
[1:23:35] sitting on top of the closed section of Cow Street.
[1:23:40] We have included terraces here just to work those in
[1:23:45] into the existing topography of the site because the great
[1:23:49] drop is actually quite, quite huge. There's a lot of
[1:23:55] movable furniture and elements here that could be changed out
[1:24:00] over the year to support different programs in the space.
[1:24:04] You can see that we have included a lot of
[1:24:05] planting areas as well as trees to provide a microclimate
[1:24:10] as well as shades, especially in the summer. Uh, the
[1:24:13] image on the right shows the renewal Kyle Park. There
[1:24:16] are two levels of terraces with the upper level showing
[1:24:21] a basketball half court. Inten it for older youth and
[1:24:26] teenagers. And the lower terrorist featuring a whole bunch of
[1:24:30] different fitness and parkour type equipment as well as seating
[1:24:36] areas intended for adults. Um, so in terms of next
[1:24:43] steps, we are looking to implement a couple additional scopes
[1:24:51] imminently. The first one being a traffic and access review
[1:24:55] of potential closure or modifications to St. George Street. So
[1:25:00] this would include consideration of existing residential and emergency access
[1:25:04] with steep rates to the west, as well as alternate
[1:25:09] trafficcoming provisions because the existing directional, um, diverter that's at
[1:25:15] the corner of Kyle Street and St. George Street would
[1:25:18] need to be removed. Uh, we also want to get
[1:25:20] feedback from a JSON residential properties. Um, I just want
[1:25:24] to note that this is an additional scope because we
[1:25:26] didn't plan on closing St George. But we did hear
[1:25:31] safety concerns, which came up quite high through the public
[1:25:35] engagement. And so we want to address that. And we
[1:25:40] also think that if what we do close as St.
[1:25:43] George that would promote connection between the north and south
[1:25:47] portions of Kyle Street of Kyle Park, sorry. And the
[1:25:53] other additional scope is archaeological impact assessment and field work.
[1:25:57] Um, so this we were originally planning to do this
[1:26:01] work, um, in the next phase, just based on the
[1:26:04] anticipated timing of the permit approval, um, but we have
[1:26:08] received notice that the permit likely going to come in
[1:26:13] in the next month or so. So we like to
[1:26:15] start this work as soon as possible. So we could,
[1:26:18] uh, get more information and de - risk the projects.
[1:26:22] And in our engagements with First Nations, they have all
[1:26:25] noted that, uh, archaeological assessment is a priority for them.
[1:26:30] So in order to cover these additional scopes, we are
[1:26:32] seeking 148, 000 dollars to be allocated from the community,
[1:26:39] amenity contribution reserved, uh, to support this work. And moving
[1:26:44] forward, we want to confirm the geotechnical and archaeological requirements.
[1:26:49] We are committed to continued dialogue with interest holders, uh,
[1:26:53] we do plan on a public engagement to get more
[1:26:58] feedback into the chiropract detail design. Of course, this is
[1:27:04] in the second phase or in the detailed design phase,
[1:27:07] um, we want to make sure that we, um, share
[1:27:12] any information in a timely manner as the project progresses.
[1:27:17] And staff have started looking at potential relocation options of
[1:27:22] existing co - centre programming. And we'll continue to, uh,
[1:27:25] to move in that direction. And lastly, we will want
[1:27:29] to consider and start planning to minimize any construction impacts
[1:27:34] for the pomoarts building as well as neoby businesses and
[1:27:37] residential properties. Um, so in terms of next steps, we
[1:27:44] intend to bring back a brink to council, full sum
[1:27:49] conceptual design report along with class D cattle cost estimates
[1:27:55] and potential funding strategies. And we also be seeking council
[1:27:58] approval to proceed to the next phase, uh, which is
[1:28:01] detailed design. And if Council approves, uh, then in 2027,
[1:28:06] we would be starting on value engineering and detailed design.
[1:28:11] Uh, so this takes me to the, uh, to the
[1:28:13] end of the presentation. I'd like to use the opportunity
[1:28:17] to, um, to get any feedback that cancel to provide.
[1:28:22] Okay. Thank you very much. I see Councillor Knowles has
[1:28:27] did. Uh, thank you. I will begin by removing the
[1:28:30] recommendation. That's if I may. Okay. Thank you. Um, thank
[1:28:36] you so much for this report to all of the
[1:28:39] staff from Chico Eu Ding. A lot of work in
[1:28:43] planning has gotten us to this point tonight. My goodness,
[1:28:48] I recall, and I'm not the only one. What I
[1:28:49] ran for election for the first time in 2022. This
[1:28:52] was on my list of things to do. So I
[1:28:54] am very excited to be here tonight. Um, you know,
[1:28:58] this was, this went to all the committees. This went
[1:29:00] to so many user groups in the city, um, public
[1:29:04] engagement, um, has been wide and deep. And I really
[1:29:09] appreciate all the work that went into it. These are
[1:29:11] not small, small things that are done. I mean, the
[1:29:14] engagement that stuff does is hours and hours hundreds of
[1:29:18] hours, um, throughout the city. And I just want to
[1:29:21] acknowledge you for doing that. And you've managed to encapsulate
[1:29:24] it all in multiple reports to us. What we're seeing
[1:29:26] here tonight is isn't, you know, just one report. This
[1:29:29] is one of several that we've seen, um, over many,
[1:29:32] many, many months. So thank you for that. I think,
[1:29:37] um, I'll make a few comments here. I'm going to
[1:29:40] leave the pickleball court comment for my colleagues. I know
[1:29:42] he's going to want to comment on that. Um, I'm
[1:29:45] really excited about a lot of things here. The parking
[1:29:47] improvement for that area, the outdoor washroom that is going
[1:29:50] to be accessible without having to go inside the building.
[1:29:53] Amazing. The planning for shade. This is going to add
[1:29:57] so much for, I mean, not just pomoarts, but our
[1:30:00] seniors, our youth. I really want to see a community
[1:30:02] garden here. I was so glad to see that included
[1:30:04] in the latest iteration. Thank you for that. Um, and
[1:30:09] I want to recognise that, you know, the reason why
[1:30:12] we're seeing a different, um, iteration here tonight of 39,
[1:30:16] 000 square feet versus 30 is because of all the
[1:30:19] engagement that's taken place, this is, this is a design
[1:30:22] that has evolved over time. And this is why you've
[1:30:24] come back to us tonight and said, we need additional
[1:30:26] funds because now we're looking at a 39, 000 square
[1:30:29] foot, um, for changes. We need a traffic study. The
[1:30:34] public engagement that you mentioned tonight has specifically brought up
[1:30:36] issues that hadn't been thought of before, which is the
[1:30:39] point of public input. It's literally a beautiful thing that
[1:30:42] has happened here. Um, we're going to be, this, this
[1:30:46] community centre is going to be meeting the needs not
[1:30:48] just now, but in the future. Um, so yeah, I'm
[1:30:52] obviously very excited. I do want to acknowledge that there
[1:30:55] have been some, um, uh, criticisms from members of the
[1:30:59] public who don't want us to build this and or
[1:31:01] want us to save it until the next council or
[1:31:05] want us to just patch the roof instead. And to
[1:31:08] that I say this has come so far in such
[1:31:13] a long period of time. And I'm really happy with
[1:31:16] the work that's been done so far. And I think
[1:31:18] we should proceed. And I'm happy to proceed. I have,
[1:31:20] I have great trust in staff. The one thing I
[1:31:23] will say from my own perspective and having spent a
[1:31:26] lot of time at the new moody elementary is what
[1:31:29] will be important here going forward is, um, managing the
[1:31:33] budget and sticking to it. Um, I was really, really
[1:31:36] impressed with the work done at Moody Elementary. They had
[1:31:39] a budget. They stuck to it. It was delivered on
[1:31:42] time. And, um, on budget. And so it can be
[1:31:46] done. So once I realised we're only at a class
[1:31:49] D estimates at this at this time, but, um, I
[1:31:52] really will be looking for that for Council to be
[1:31:57] really, really tough on the budget when the time comes.
[1:31:59] But overall this looks wonderful. I'm very excited. I believe
[1:32:03] my colleague is going to, um, make a motion arising
[1:32:06] or perhaps amend the emotion, um, with regards to, um,
[1:32:10] an idea regarding Pomar arts. And I look forward to
[1:32:13] that. Um, but just overall, thank you so much. This
[1:32:15] is very exciting. Thank you, Councillor. We will go to
[1:32:19] Councillor Delworth. Thank you. First of all, I want to
[1:32:22] say I love the building. The use of windows and
[1:32:25] woods just absolutely, um, transforms that space. I'm really excited
[1:32:31] about the, uh, both the internal and the external programming
[1:32:35] space that's available. And I can remember the very first
[1:32:39] strategic planning session that this Council had. And we talked
[1:32:42] about things that we wanted to see done in our
[1:32:46] term. And the revitalization of Kyle Centre was top of
[1:32:51] the list of many other items. But it was up
[1:32:55] there. It was, it was certainly up there. And I
[1:32:57] want to say what we're doing here is we're taking
[1:33:01] a 47 year old building. And transforming a building into
[1:33:06] what we can see now is a very unique Kyle
[1:33:10] district with significant new park space with significant new opportunities.
[1:33:15] And I think that is just a part of the
[1:33:18] evolution of that side of the city. And certainly in
[1:33:21] moody centre, giving the residents of Moody Centre a really,
[1:33:25] really, um, expansive gathering space. I'm very happy. And, you
[1:33:34] know, reading through all the engagement summaries, I'm seeing the
[1:33:37] lot of other, uh, people in this community that are
[1:33:39] quite excited about this. Um, I do note that there
[1:33:43] will be another consultation with the community. I have two
[1:33:47] questions, if I may. The first question is, can through
[1:33:53] to staff, can you please remind me if this building
[1:33:55] is going to be constructed to any of the environmental
[1:33:59] standards, whether it's a lead standard, whether it's the Rick
[1:34:03] Hanson accessibility standard, programs, are we actually building this to
[1:34:10] any of those standards, whether we're applying for the designation
[1:34:14] or not, because I know we can build it to
[1:34:16] the standards without actually applying for the designation. Can you
[1:34:20] remind me where we're at? Yes, through the chair, we're
[1:34:23] targeting lead gold standard in terms of sustainability. And Rick
[1:34:28] Hanson Gold in terms of accessibility and inclusion. We must
[1:34:33] be coming pretty much up there as a, as a
[1:34:36] leader in terms of, uh, the level of sustainability mitigation
[1:34:42] that we've done on, on a number of our recent
[1:34:45] buildings. My last question is really nice pictures. And I
[1:34:49] think we've had this discussion before. Very nice pictures of
[1:34:52] the external spaces. And we know trees will grow. But
[1:34:57] in terms of, uh, mitigating any heat dome effect with
[1:35:00] that much open space there. I know we've talked about
[1:35:03] potentially using different shade canopies to be implemented as well.
[1:35:08] Can you speak further on that? So we have started
[1:35:12] considerations of those things. But, uh, as we move to
[1:35:17] design forward, there will be further considerations in terms of
[1:35:19] additional tree locations to provide natural canopy. And in the
[1:35:24] outdoor spaces, um, we will continue to look at potentially
[1:35:30] something similar in the plaza area. Great. I guess my,
[1:35:34] my last comment is I cannot wait to, uh, have
[1:35:38] the community at the ribbon cutting of this event. And
[1:35:42] with the knowledge that this building is going to supersede
[1:35:47] 47 years and our residents will be using it for
[1:35:50] at least 50 years into the future. And I think
[1:35:53] what we're, what we're proposing here is exactly what that
[1:35:56] community has asked for. And, uh, what we're providing. Thank
[1:36:00] you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Lubeck. Thank you so much.
[1:36:07] Um, first, um, not to steal anything from my, my
[1:36:10] colleague, but I really like how we're measuring Jim's in
[1:36:13] pickleball courts now. Um. I very much also appreciate that
[1:36:18] staff are addressing the concerns that we've heard come up
[1:36:20] through public employed, especially around safety. So it's really, I
[1:36:26] just really appreciate when that can be integrated. And I
[1:36:30] know we do our best to integrate where we hear
[1:36:31] from the public. Um, going back through not only the
[1:36:35] first input session, but the most recent one, but the
[1:36:40] first one, I really liked how some of the questions
[1:36:43] have been framed. What we're trying to achieve here, like,
[1:36:49] how do you want to feel when you enter the
[1:36:50] space. And so many questions around inclusion for different user
[1:36:54] groups. So I really want to say how much I
[1:36:56] appreciate that. And we got so many wonderful ideas from
[1:36:59] the community as well as from our advisory groups. Um,
[1:37:04] and I do love the design. It's also very interesting,
[1:37:07] but also in a biophilic architecture. So, you know, Billy
[1:37:11] fits in with the area and blends in with the
[1:37:13] nature. Um, I think this is really important for our
[1:37:17] community. Um, I was looking back some of the recommendation
[1:37:22] surveys and about we need more space. Even now, even
[1:37:27] if we don't grow, we need more programmable space. And,
[1:37:31] and I appreciate that, you know, this is an investment
[1:37:35] in our community. But even if we were to try
[1:37:39] to patch up Kyle Centre right now, functionally, it doesn't
[1:37:43] meet our needs. There's a lot of different programming that
[1:37:46] we need for seniors, for arts. Um, for gymnasium spaces.
[1:37:53] And it reminded me also of the conversations we've had
[1:37:55] about our, um. Our civic facilities studies. And that intergenerational
[1:38:01] equity. Like in the fact that we need to be
[1:38:04] investing for future generations, not just for today. We know
[1:38:09] what it was like to now be thinking about rebuilding
[1:38:12] our library when it was almost a capacity when it
[1:38:15] was, uh, finished as much as we love the library.
[1:38:19] You know, we should have been looking forward more when
[1:38:21] we built that. So I do hear the concerns about
[1:38:25] costs that it came up from some folks, um, and
[1:38:27] we don't have a conclusion exactly of what that's going
[1:38:29] to look like as far as the balance of ACCs
[1:38:32] and DCCs and borrowing. Um, but I think it's also
[1:38:36] important to remind folks that, um, there are grant programs
[1:38:39] that are coming up now from the federal government, um,
[1:38:43] like Bill Canada Strong, which also looks at matching funding
[1:38:45] from the province. And being able to have things that
[1:38:48] our shovel ready is that's when they want to actually
[1:38:50] build them. So, you know, I appreciate that folks are
[1:38:53] worried about cost. Everything is getting harder. But our staff
[1:38:58] are really good at getting grants and punchable their weight
[1:39:02] when it comes to applying and actually succeeding. So I
[1:39:09] just have a couple of considerations that I'd like to
[1:39:12] staff to keep in mind as we go. I know
[1:39:15] this is still early days. Um, I did love that
[1:39:18] there is community gardens. And, you know, as Kyle campus
[1:39:22] grows, I hope it'll be more opportunity for that. Um.
[1:39:26] One of the things that came up from some conversations
[1:39:28] in the community that I was part of was if
[1:39:31] there would be an opportunity for the Jim space to
[1:39:32] be able to convert into a performance space of some
[1:39:36] kind. I was talking to some parents around opportunities to
[1:39:42] minimize stimulation for those children and other participants or other
[1:39:46] participants who may need calm reflective spaces, um, while they're
[1:39:50] taking part in programming. Um, and as we started talking
[1:39:54] about, um, covered areas, I know that that was a
[1:39:58] comment that I took to heart having cover spaces in
[1:40:01] the plaza, especially for seniors to be able to gather
[1:40:04] and to chat, um, and to be able to use
[1:40:07] that plaza in all, in all weather. I think that's
[1:40:10] really important. And also my last comment is just around
[1:40:13] the shade structures. I think that that's really important. I
[1:40:16] appreciate that. I'll come later. Um, I think that's also
[1:40:20] an opportunity for art pieces as well. I know I've
[1:40:22] seen in certain, well, global communities either doing community art
[1:40:28] projects that involve creating sales or what have you. So
[1:40:33] just to think outside the box and fars when we're
[1:40:36] trying to create, um, you know, the shade structures or
[1:40:40] any other structures, if we can incorporate artistic elements as
[1:40:43] well. That's it. Thank you. Thank you very much, Councillor.
[1:40:48] Councillor Larbecky. Thank you. Um, so I greatly appreciate the
[1:40:53] work that has been done. And here we are in
[1:40:57] July ahead of October at a meeting where we have
[1:40:59] no public input. You know, talking about spending more money
[1:41:04] to move forward on things like just what is actually
[1:41:07] for as part of it was described 150, 000 cover
[1:41:11] being larger size and the planning for that, but also
[1:41:13] traffic analysis, archaeological assessment, uh, staff and contingency. That is,
[1:41:20] um, moving ahead on a major infrastructure project at immense
[1:41:26] cost to our community that to be frank, I do
[1:41:29] not understand the mandate we have on. So I just,
[1:41:33] and that is not a comment on the design work,
[1:41:35] anything like that. I think this is very exciting. It's
[1:41:36] wonderful. It's come to the committees. We've had a few
[1:41:39] open houses. Um, eventually this is going to be a
[1:41:42] need for our community. Depending what happens in Moody Centre
[1:41:45] to be frank, especially around the densification of that area.
[1:41:48] But I do want to point out to the engagement
[1:41:50] so far. Round two of engagement minors standing. It's had
[1:41:53] about 40 people at the open house in 75 surveys
[1:41:56] completed. Um, the round one of that total engagement from
[1:42:00] my understanding was about just over 300 people. So I
[1:42:04] just don't feel like the enthusiasm for marching ahead just
[1:42:07] before an election on such a massive capital, uh, infrastructure
[1:42:12] project could be gleamed from this, these, this input that
[1:42:17] we've had. And the input that we did have, that
[1:42:19] one of the top concerns was cost. It impacted taxpayers.
[1:42:22] And that is a very legitimate concern. Um, so I'm
[1:42:26] very fine to give input tonight. And I think that
[1:42:29] it's, it's gone through the committees and it's a very
[1:42:32] thoughtful design. And I feel very comfortable about, okay, we
[1:42:34] have this now. We have a vision. We know what
[1:42:37] we're working towards. Am I comfortable spending another 150, 000
[1:42:40] dollars to get permitting and stuff this summer. Uh, I'm
[1:42:44] not. And I don't think enough members of our community
[1:42:48] are on board or even know what we're talking about
[1:42:50] right now for me to feel comfortable with that. Uh,
[1:42:54] so I will be calling for, for separation on this.
[1:42:57] And I will not be supporting the increased funding. I
[1:43:00] think regardless of who's sitting here next term, it's going
[1:43:03] to be the next council is going to be deciding
[1:43:06] how to proceed, what to see, what does it look
[1:43:08] like and what the future of call centre is? And
[1:43:10] I think there needs to be a mandate from the
[1:43:12] public. Uh, this is kind of like discussing the icing
[1:43:15] on a cake when we don't own an oven. Right.
[1:43:18] It's kind of bizarre to me that we're so focused
[1:43:20] in on, on, um, the insights of this building. And
[1:43:24] we have no idea how we're going to pay for
[1:43:25] this. How much is even going to cost. So I
[1:43:28] really appreciate the work of staff. I'm comfortable where this
[1:43:32] is at. I think we need to put a bit
[1:43:33] of a pause. Three months won't do much except for
[1:43:38] allow a relook at this in a new context of
[1:43:41] what the next term will look like. So and we
[1:43:44] can hear better from the public at that time, I'm
[1:43:46] hoping. Thank you. Thank you. Um, Councillor Agterapp. Thank you.
[1:43:53] Um, there was 29 pages of public like verbatim comments
[1:43:59] that, uh, Council received and cost came up 34 times.
[1:44:04] And I appreciate, uh, that there is concern about how
[1:44:08] we're going to pay for this. And I also appreciate
[1:44:10] Councillor Lubick for bringing up like the shovel ready to
[1:44:14] get some of these grants. We need to have shovel
[1:44:16] ready things, but also people talked about cost as like
[1:44:19] adding more parking. So the cost benefit. So it wasn't
[1:44:25] only concern about how we're going to pay for that.
[1:44:27] Although I definitely hear that. I was curious about when
[1:44:32] Kyle Centre was built, there was about, uh, 12, 000
[1:44:35] people in Port Moody. And that works out to basically
[1:44:40] 5. 4 square feet per person. Um, and then, you
[1:44:43] know, I guess at the time we still had the
[1:44:45] ice sheet and the curling rank, um, and then in
[1:44:48] 2008, there was the expansion of what we have today
[1:44:51] at the rec centre. And I'm, I moved here just
[1:44:53] before that. And it was under construction. And now between
[1:44:57] Kyle and, um, our rec centre, we have 175, 000
[1:45:01] square feet, which works out to 4. 3 square feet
[1:45:03] per person. So, um, where I'm going with this is
[1:45:06] that, you know, we are at sitting around 39, 000
[1:45:10] square feet, but also there was a number of comments
[1:45:12] in there saying add another floor, build it bigger, um,
[1:45:16] for the future. And, um, I hear that. And I
[1:45:19] also can hear the concern about cost. So that's definitely
[1:45:22] a balancing act. Um, I'm comfortable with the request for
[1:45:27] 148, 000. I think what staff is asking for is
[1:45:32] very reasonable. And it will take us to the next
[1:45:34] stage. Regardless of what happens in the election, there will
[1:45:37] still be time to turn, you know, to turn the
[1:45:41] ship if that is the will of the next council.
[1:45:44] But in the meantime, I think we should still proceed
[1:45:48] with and referencing all the positive comments and the wants.
[1:45:52] And there. I did have a question. Um, the kitchen
[1:45:54] that's in Kyle Centre right now, is it going to
[1:45:56] be similar? Like it's still like a warming kitchen. So
[1:45:59] it's, it's, we're not losing anything. I see nodding heads.
[1:46:02] Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um, I wrote a lot of
[1:46:07] notes and now I've lost my spot. I like, um,
[1:46:12] the idea of more covered spaces in the plaza. Um,
[1:46:17] I remember during the pandemic, the covered space out here
[1:46:20] and over to the side here was well used. I
[1:46:23] would walk by here to return a library book. And
[1:46:26] I would see, um, the group of seniors sitting with
[1:46:30] their lawn chairs, you know, in a circle gathering in
[1:46:33] an open air space, but still undercover, um, given that
[1:46:36] we have, you know, torrential rains. Also heat domes, I
[1:46:41] think covered spaces are going to be welcomed by many
[1:46:43] people. Um. Quiet spaces was also another, another aspect that
[1:46:51] I've heard as well, like needing that low stimulation space.
[1:46:56] And the ceiling heights was mentioned, but I'm assuming that
[1:46:58] it's appropriate for volleyball, basketball, pickleball, many uses. And I
[1:47:05] like that we're adding another multipurpose gymnasium given the popularity
[1:47:09] of the two, the double gymnasium that we have now.
[1:47:13] And knowing that it can be hard for, um, people
[1:47:16] to, there's not a lot of time just to do
[1:47:18] drop in, shoot some hoops or play around in the,
[1:47:22] so appreciate that we're getting another potentially getting another space.
[1:47:25] Um, the only sort of comment that I didn't see
[1:47:28] in, in the feedback that I would say is, um,
[1:47:32] look for efficient construction methods, um, I know, um, mass
[1:47:38] timber is being contemplated, but also some of the other
[1:47:41] sort of newer construction methods like panelized that is being,
[1:47:46] um, built off site and then just popped up. So,
[1:47:49] um, I think that has some, some ability to minimize,
[1:47:54] um, the construction cost, though recognising digging a hole is
[1:47:57] probably the most costly, importing the foundation is the most
[1:47:59] costly part of the building. So appreciate all the work.
[1:48:02] Um, look forward to the next step and see how
[1:48:05] this shakes out in the fall. Thanks. Thank you. Councillor
[1:48:08] Morrison. Thank you. Um, I just want to start off
[1:48:11] by saying thank you very much for the feedback. Um,
[1:48:14] I really enjoyed reading the different input from our community.
[1:48:18] And I'm also want to recognise the passion of the
[1:48:20] community and that there is a big need for all
[1:48:23] different levels of services and different needs that aren't necessarily
[1:48:27] able to be delivered in Port Moody yet. Um, whether
[1:48:31] that is the quiet spaces that my colleagues talk about
[1:48:35] or the push for cafe social spaces, um, within the
[1:48:38] building or seniors and quiet zones or outdoor spaces to
[1:48:42] be able to have get togethers and stuff. I recognise
[1:48:46] that the need for a senior facility. There's a need
[1:48:48] for a bigger recreation facility. There's need for youth spaces
[1:48:52] to gather. Um, there's need for expansion for our arts
[1:48:56] community to be able to, um, utilise that programming and
[1:48:59] the demand on those programming because they run such a
[1:49:00] great program. So I just want to say that I
[1:49:03] appreciate all these different angles coming. And it's very, very
[1:49:07] hard as well when you're seeing this need to not
[1:49:09] say, let's do it all. How can we do it
[1:49:11] all? And, you know, 39, 000 square feet I want
[1:49:14] to commend staff for the fact that they expanded that
[1:49:17] size with council's direction on looking at those other needs
[1:49:22] as well as figuring out how we can make these
[1:49:24] spaces as multi - use as possible so that there
[1:49:26] is the ability to transition, for example, in the evenings
[1:49:29] to a different use or earlier in the mornings to
[1:49:31] a different use in some of these spaces. So I
[1:49:32] want to recognise that. Um, as far as my comments
[1:49:36] in regards to the look of it, and I appreciate
[1:49:38] the fact that the playground aspect of it is just
[1:49:41] placeholders right now, um, I, I hope they remain as
[1:49:45] placeholders and that there is a bigger discussion in regards
[1:49:47] to playground use, um, whether there's consideration of the possibility
[1:49:51] of a mint small water park for us cooling capabilities
[1:49:54] or cooling centre capabilities in that area, which is very
[1:49:57] much a heat island area of the city. Um, as
[1:50:00] we know, Moody Centre is, um, I also want to
[1:50:05] recognise the cost as well, as was mentioned by some
[1:50:10] of my colleagues. And the community as well. They're worried
[1:50:14] about this and how it's going to be paid for.
[1:50:16] And the ton of information out in regards to that.
[1:50:18] We're getting there. But, um, I think that that'll be
[1:50:21] a key component. So I'm a little bit, like I'm
[1:50:24] enthusiastic about the idea of providing such a really cool
[1:50:27] amenity that's going to be, you know, for the future
[1:50:30] for future residents that are coming in as well as
[1:50:32] serving our existing community. The fact that west side port
[1:50:36] moody is going to have a proper good size recreation
[1:50:39] centre to be able to get to without having to
[1:50:41] drive all the way down St. John Street to our
[1:50:43] rec centre over here. Um, is going to massively cut
[1:50:46] down their commute times. Um, and maybe even permit to
[1:50:49] active transportation or, or using, um, alternative modes like buses,
[1:50:53] et cetera. So I'm excited about that aspect of it
[1:50:56] as well as the growth that's going to happen in
[1:50:57] the area around it. Um, so, but the cost thing
[1:51:01] is, is, is a moment of pause for me because
[1:51:04] I know things can get expensive. And I am going
[1:51:07] to be pushing very, very hard for any type of
[1:51:09] partnerships, reduction and cost efficiencies, et cetera. As we go
[1:51:13] through this process and those discussions happen on how we
[1:51:16] can deliver the most, whether it's square footage wise or,
[1:51:20] or amenities or whichever into this space for the lowest
[1:51:23] cost possible while still, you know, following along our climate
[1:51:27] commitment goals, but maybe not as far as what might
[1:51:30] be, um, you know, the leaders of the entire lower
[1:51:33] mainland, if that's going to make a big difference in
[1:51:35] the cost. So I want to look at all those
[1:51:36] angles on those different cost pricing to see if we
[1:51:39] can shave five million, three million, whatever it happens to
[1:51:43] be off the cost, but still deliver a world -
[1:51:45] class facility that I know that our residents need. So
[1:51:49] I'm supportive of the extra cost here. Um, I understand
[1:51:52] that there's some potential savings in time and also potential
[1:51:57] cause. This could be made back just in time savings,
[1:52:00] et cetera, and being able to utilise, um, planning without
[1:52:03] having to feel like we're rushing or taking a step
[1:52:06] too quickly. So I can see this coming back later
[1:52:08] on in the process. So I'm okay with this an
[1:52:11] expenditure. So thank you for that. And those are my
[1:52:12] comments. Thank you. Um, yeah, I'm not going to add
[1:52:15] a lot to what was said, but I do want
[1:52:18] to, uh, sort of emphasize some of the points that
[1:52:20] were made. And I think Councillor Lubick really hit on
[1:52:22] one that I was, that I think that is really
[1:52:25] important for us to keep in mind. And that is
[1:52:27] around the grants and the fact that, um, the more
[1:52:30] detailed design that we get to, um, the, the better
[1:52:33] position we will place the city in to get that
[1:52:36] funding from the, from the federal government. So I'm, the
[1:52:40] only other comment that I would say on that is
[1:52:42] that the only way to find out what the cost
[1:52:44] is, is to get those to get to that detailed
[1:52:47] design place so that we can actually get those numbers
[1:52:50] on the table so that we can see that what
[1:52:52] we're dealing with. And then we, then we go to
[1:52:54] the next step where we're figuring out, well, how are
[1:52:56] we going to pay for this? And that needs to
[1:52:59] come. Um, I'm, I also feel very comfortable, um, with
[1:53:03] the increase, uh, for the reasons that we're explained around
[1:53:07] the change in the scope and the necessity to increase
[1:53:10] those into sort of add those things to the, to
[1:53:15] the planning right now in order so that we can
[1:53:17] actually capture some of the issues that the community brought
[1:53:20] up. Um, so I'm comfortable with that. And I'm also
[1:53:23] comfortable with the, um, utilising the funding source that staff
[1:53:26] have recommended, which is the, uh, community amenity contribution, uh,
[1:53:32] reserve. Um, you know, when I look at this project
[1:53:36] and I sort of think about Kyle, the Kyle campus.
[1:53:40] And what we're trying to achieve here, we have to
[1:53:42] also remember that those renderings will be changed and they
[1:53:44] will be further refined as we get into further details.
[1:53:48] Um, and we'll be making some announcements in the area
[1:53:53] that are going to change this almost immediately in terms
[1:53:56] of the, um, the, I guess, how that, how that
[1:54:00] will unfold. Um, so I'm really excited about that. Um,
[1:54:03] but when I think about what, how, uh, area is
[1:54:08] being used right now, I really always go back to
[1:54:11] the art centre. And the fact that, um, the art
[1:54:14] centre and the, um, the, the folks at the art
[1:54:19] centre are providing, they're really the arts arm of the
[1:54:23] city. And what we've been hearing from them as recently
[1:54:26] as even, I think earlier this year was that they're
[1:54:29] very, um, constrained in the space that they have. They're
[1:54:33] very, they, they would love to be able to expand
[1:54:36] their programming and, um, look for other ways to provide
[1:54:40] that service to the, to the residents. Um, of Court
[1:54:43] Booney and to partner with the city to achieve that
[1:54:48] goal. Um, and so I always have always thought of
[1:54:52] this building as being, um, an expansion for, you know,
[1:54:57] as the potential for expanding, um, the facility, the art
[1:55:01] centre facility as well. And I appreciate the, um, the,
[1:55:06] the mention of the art space, um, at that during,
[1:55:10] during the presentation. And, and do really feel very strongly
[1:55:14] that we need to be, um, pushing that, um, and
[1:55:19] really working with the art centre folks to try and
[1:55:22] ensure that, um, we're providing the space that's required for
[1:55:25] that increase in programming. I think that for us, it's
[1:55:29] really, it's really going to come down to cost again
[1:55:32] in terms of all the comments that were made previously.
[1:55:35] We need to get to that detailed phase. And in
[1:55:39] speaking with staff today, um, in order to assist us
[1:55:42] in understanding, um, what that might look like, I think
[1:55:45] that we should be giving direction at this time for,
[1:55:49] for, um, for staff to do some analysis and some
[1:55:52] feasibilities around, uh, what would it look like if we
[1:55:55] allocated some space to specifically dedicate it for space for
[1:56:01] the art centre? Um, so with that, I'd like to
[1:56:04] move, um, the following amendment, our additional motion to what's
[1:56:09] being presented here. And that is that staff report back
[1:56:13] on the financial feasibility. Of allocating the second floor of
[1:56:20] multipurpose room for dedicated space for art, centre, program expansion.
[1:56:26] And report back, um, and to report back during the
[1:56:30] detailed design phase. So that we can have all the
[1:56:33] information in front of us so that we can best
[1:56:36] understand what that, what that would look like. And we
[1:56:39] can continue those conversations with the art centre folks, um,
[1:56:43] and trying to integrate. And help them along in expanding
[1:56:46] their opportunities in the city. So, um, that's been, that's
[1:56:49] a motion that I'd like to, okay, it's been moved
[1:56:52] in seconded. Um, thank you for that. I'll go to
[1:56:55] Councillor Knowles. Yeah. Thank you for that Mayor. Um. This
[1:57:03] is something I think is very important. We know that
[1:57:05] Pomartz has outgrown its space. And it actually has so
[1:57:09] many opportunities ahead of it. Um, for programming. And it's
[1:57:14] actually now, we need to remember it's not for Martin's
[1:57:17] anymore. It's pomo arts and the visitor centre. Yes. Right.
[1:57:20] Um, they have taken on a whole new role. And
[1:57:23] in this city and are starting to direct people all
[1:57:26] over the city, which is really, really impressive. So, um,
[1:57:29] absolutely support this. I think this has the potential, you
[1:57:33] know, and this is just one more step in our,
[1:57:35] our fully embodying the city of the arts. So thank
[1:57:38] you for this. Absolutely support. Thank you. I think it's
[1:57:41] important to get that information so that we come from
[1:57:44] a place of knowledge. Councillor Dilworth, let me just speak
[1:57:49] in support of the amendment. I think in addition to
[1:57:51] providing additional programming space for pormon arts, what it's also
[1:57:55] giving them a certainty. Certainty in knowing that they have
[1:57:59] X amount of space. And it can really help them
[1:58:01] in their, both their shorter term programming and their longer
[1:58:05] term programming. As I noted earlier, this is going to
[1:58:08] be, this building is going to be there for use
[1:58:11] for the next 50 years. So for promo arts to
[1:58:14] know that they are in true partnership with the city
[1:58:17] and they have allocated space in that building gives them
[1:58:20] a higher level of security and certainty in terms of
[1:58:24] their long - term strategic planning. Okay. Um, I don't
[1:58:30] see anybody either. Oh, Councillor Morrison. Just let me copy.
[1:58:33] Thank you. Um, I appreciate the, uh, amendment Mayor Latti.
[1:58:37] I think that this information is good information to have.
[1:58:40] Um, and also figuring out the costing, et cetera, around
[1:58:44] that as well. Um, we know that providing space for
[1:58:48] any community group has an expense to it. And it
[1:58:51] subsidized by the city and the taxpayers, et cetera. And
[1:58:53] I know that they put on awesome programs. So I'd
[1:58:55] love to know more about, um, about not only the
[1:58:59] cost of delivering this as a consistent space, um, to,
[1:59:03] to this, this group, but also, um, you know, the
[1:59:05] amazing things they're thinking about coming forward as, as part
[1:59:08] of that extra space, if they got that, would that
[1:59:10] be also part of this where they would talk it
[1:59:12] all about that? I think that that would be something
[1:59:13] that the art centre would have to take away. And
[1:59:16] I, and I wouldn't presume that they would know right
[1:59:19] away. They're, they're going to have to determine from a
[1:59:22] business case for themselves if that's, you know, what I
[1:59:27] hear, what I've heard from, um, the art centre is
[1:59:30] that, um, they need to know, like, if, if, um,
[1:59:36] how many square feet they're talking about and what, what,
[1:59:38] what that would look like. So I think we want
[1:59:40] to be able to provide that to them so that
[1:59:41] they can, so that they can go back, go away
[1:59:45] and do some and cringe some numbers and figure out
[1:59:47] what their plan might look like. Um, this is just
[1:59:52] a starting place in order to try and get that,
[1:59:55] those conversations going. Um, it's really important for us. Because
[2:00:00] any space that's in there that's built. And if it's
[2:00:04] dedicated to a specific, if it's not being used by
[2:00:08] the general public, then the rest of the space needs
[2:00:12] to sort of make up for that. So we need
[2:00:13] to look at how we're going to, to pay for
[2:00:16] that as well. So I think it's really important that
[2:00:19] we get everything on the table so that we know
[2:00:20] exactly what we're doing. And so as part of this,
[2:00:23] there would also be some discussion about perhaps needs within
[2:00:26] that space for them, whether it's ventilation or, um, I
[2:00:30] would hope so. Et cetera stuff like that. You know,
[2:00:32] and it may be too early to get to those
[2:00:34] types of conversations for them. But, um, just from a
[2:00:39] financial feasibility, if, if we're building that space and, you
[2:00:44] know, what would that look like for the city? Yeah.
[2:00:47] Cause some of those things are key equipment that they
[2:00:49] would have to consider. And, um, just with what those
[2:00:52] conversations to happen between staff and the arts centres. So
[2:00:56] that way they can say this is the space that
[2:00:57] you were looking at. What do you need in this
[2:00:59] space to be able to do it so that way
[2:01:00] that's a full part of that? We may, we may
[2:01:02] not get to that detail, uh, level of detail, but
[2:01:05] we need to know whether, what the cost for the
[2:01:08] city is for that type of a space to be
[2:01:11] allocated somewhere else. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.
[2:01:14] Um, okay. And I don't see any other hands. So
[2:01:18] I'm going to call the question on the amendment all
[2:01:21] in favor. Opposed carried. Now we're going back to the
[2:01:26] main motion. I think everybody has spoken to this. So
[2:01:28] I'm going to call the question on the main motion,
[2:01:30] all in favor. Oh, the separation councillor. I'm sorry. Forgive
[2:01:34] me. Sorry. So we'll go on the first part, which
[2:01:37] is the providing the, of the feedback. All in favor.
[2:01:43] Opposed carried. The second part is the additional 148, 000
[2:01:47] for the scope change. All in favor. Opposed Councillor Larbecki
[2:01:52] is opposed. On the third part of the motion, all
[2:01:55] in favor. Opposed carry unanimously. Thank you. All right. Thank
[2:02:00] you everybody for that. Uh, we'll move to the next
[2:02:03] item on the agenda, which is 11. 4. The suiter
[2:02:06] broke traffic improvement plan update request. I think that we
[2:02:13] are looking at having a staff presentation on this. Oh,
[2:02:21] Mr. Moye. I'm sorry. My bad. And I also, I
[2:02:26] will note that, um, we have, uh, representative from Ani
[2:02:31] in the audience. And if Council wishes to ask that
[2:02:34] individual, any questions, um, with leave of Council, we can
[2:02:37] invite them up to answer questions. Um, Mr. Moy. Through
[2:02:40] the chair, it's not a, it's not a presentation, but
[2:02:42] just a brief summary. The city and Ani have been
[2:02:45] working together to implement traffic improvements in Sutter Brook over
[2:02:47] the past several years. Um, the report, uh, that's in
[2:02:50] the agenda package outlines a scope change, which would help
[2:02:53] getting, get the remaining work done. So Ani's provided some
[2:02:56] rationale for the change. And staff support this change in
[2:02:59] consideration of the high impacts of the original scope of
[2:03:01] work. There was, uh, there was the one way conversion,
[2:03:05] which was done by the city. And then there's been
[2:03:07] some addition of raise crosswalks. Um, the remaining work is,
[2:03:11] is some intersection, um, changes at, at Murray and Morrissey.
[2:03:15] And then particularly creating raised intersections along Morrissey, uh, Brew
[2:03:20] and Sutterbrook way. Um, which from, from, from what we've
[2:03:23] seen, uh, they require significant drainage changes. You have to
[2:03:27] dig up the whole intersection, uh, rebuild it at a
[2:03:29] slightly higher elevation, rebuild the curbs. And so you'd be
[2:03:32] closing roads. Um, for, for long periods and potentially actually
[2:03:35] just closing all of the roads, uh, for each intersection.
[2:03:38] So I think it could be a long disruption. Um,
[2:03:41] our view is changing the scope as outlined will address
[2:03:44] the general traffic improvement goals. Um, that we've set out
[2:03:47] to achieve with less disturbance. There may not be as
[2:03:49] much of the aesthetic quality, but they would still be,
[2:03:53] um, usable and anesthetically pleasing and serve the public. And
[2:03:58] it would also ensure the work can be completed in
[2:04:00] a shorter time period as I'm aware that residents in
[2:04:02] the neighbourhood are looking forward to the work being, uh,
[2:04:05] implemented and completed. What kind of feedback have you gotten
[2:04:09] from the community in Suderbrook with regards to the proposed
[2:04:14] changes? Through the chair that this, um, there is, that
[2:04:20] may be something that, that, that, uh, the representatives from
[2:04:22] Anime able to speak to better, um, this is something
[2:04:25] where we've certainly had a lot of, um, or several
[2:04:28] questions from residents as to the status of the work.
[2:04:31] Um, but not so much, uh, on the details of
[2:04:34] this change because this has been something that we're, we're
[2:04:36] just looking at now. I know that the letters from
[2:04:38] businesses, um, supporting this change in the, in the package
[2:04:40] that Omni presented. And, um, lastly from my perspective, just
[2:04:45] a question, um, if these changes that are being proposed,
[2:04:50] um, they are different than what was approved, um, previously.
[2:04:54] And I will, um, accept the rationale that some of
[2:04:58] the, that the improvements that were made, um, immediately have
[2:05:02] actually, um, had a significant impact. And if these changes
[2:05:09] do not result in a significant, um, improvement, um, would
[2:05:16] there be an opportunity to revisit some of the proposed
[2:05:19] previously proposed changes? Through the chair, I think, um, like
[2:05:26] this, this, this project also fulfills a development requirement, um,
[2:05:30] from Ani. It was originally meant to be a traffic
[2:05:32] signal at Capelano. That got changed to a traffic calming
[2:05:34] plan. Um, and we scoped it this way. So, um,
[2:05:38] we're holding a security to make sure that the, um,
[2:05:40] that the work gets done in some form. Um, I
[2:05:44] think it would be difficult if we complete an alternate
[2:05:48] scope of work to go back and add more on
[2:05:50] again. But I think the, the, the aspects that are
[2:05:54] being changed would, I think those changes are going to
[2:05:57] be more, um, aesthetic and of a different quality. But
[2:06:01] I think the general function of traffic calming and, um,
[2:06:05] and reducing that that is going to result in a
[2:06:10] significant enough improvement from a technical perspective, yes. Yeah. Okay.
[2:06:14] Uh, Councillor Agtrapp. Thank you. Um, since this is my
[2:06:17] neighbourhood, I get a lot of questions about this as
[2:06:19] Mr. Moye knows. I've also asked him. Um, I appreciate
[2:06:24] that this is going to move ahead and that there's
[2:06:27] going to be the 30 kilometer signs and some additional
[2:06:30] speed humps. I'm curious that I walked around this neighbourhood
[2:06:35] with residents that have, um, accessibility challenges and use, use
[2:06:41] accessibility devices. And one of the challenges that is sort
[2:06:44] of ongoing is the BRICS. And if they, um, are
[2:06:48] broken, um, or some of the curbellet downs, especially where
[2:06:52] I see is like brew at Morrissey, um, and Suterbrick
[2:06:55] at Morrissey, those intersections and the curves. And I'm hoping,
[2:06:59] and maybe staff can confirm that, um, through this work,
[2:07:02] those challenges will be addressed. Through the chair, I may
[2:07:07] have to, I mean, if, if there is real accessibility
[2:07:11] issues or trip hazards, um, there's a, there's a division
[2:07:16] in the property line. So some is on the city
[2:07:18] side, which we need to take care of. And some
[2:07:20] is on the, um, the Cetterbrook side, which Ani would
[2:07:23] take care of. So, um, I mean, we'll certainly inspect
[2:07:25] that and improve any sort of changes before we put
[2:07:29] down fresh paint on, on that. Okay. That's great. I
[2:07:32] think, um, right now, like having travelled through that area,
[2:07:35] and I can talk to you later, is there about
[2:07:37] 50 - 50, some's on ours and thumbs on the
[2:07:40] other side. So, um, I just hope that those get
[2:07:42] addressed as work continues through here, especially when you're missing
[2:07:47] like parts or their damage. It becomes challenging for some
[2:07:53] people to navigate that area. But I'm looking forward to
[2:07:55] the completion of this. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Councillor Larbecki.
[2:08:00] Thank you. Um, yes, we get, yeah, a lot of,
[2:08:05] uh, feedback, input concerns over traffic issues and accessibility mobility
[2:08:09] issues in this neighbourhood. I guess I have a question
[2:08:13] maybe through to probably Mr. Moye, but how, how do
[2:08:17] we get here, I guess? So this development is what
[2:08:20] about 15 years old. How does a development get approved
[2:08:23] that ends up having this substantial level of traffic issues
[2:08:27] in it? Because I think that's on, you know, you
[2:08:31] hear from people, like how did this, what's going on?
[2:08:32] How this happened? So have things changed. Do we have
[2:08:36] better planning rules now? I'm just wondering if staff could
[2:08:40] maybe let the public know what their answer to that
[2:08:43] question might be. Sure. Through the chair, I can take
[2:08:48] a shot at it. I think something that's changed that
[2:08:52] actually made a difference when we first went out, we
[2:08:56] started to hear these concerns about Sutterbrook Village. A lot
[2:08:58] of it was around circulation. So, um, pick up and
[2:09:02] drop off. It was, it was loading for commercial. Uh,
[2:09:05] they didn't have any space for loading. Um, and it
[2:09:08] was a lot of, uh, like shopping for parking. We
[2:09:11] call it like drivers going around trying to find service
[2:09:13] parking. Parking was free on the surface. It was, you
[2:09:16] know, there was some time limited, but that's what they're
[2:09:17] looking for. They didn't want to go into the park
[2:09:19] aid or they couldn't didn't know that there was a
[2:09:21] parcade there. Um, and so a lot of the changes
[2:09:23] from a circulation point of view, we think have, um,
[2:09:26] that we've put in have made a difference. So I
[2:09:28] think that's probably that lesson learned is making some of
[2:09:31] the roads one way. And then changing the parking, um,
[2:09:35] the parking regulations to provide, um, specific loading zones, uh,
[2:09:41] which we didn't have before. Um, and then different time
[2:09:44] limited zones as well as the addition of pay parking,
[2:09:48] I think has helped with providing that surface parking availability
[2:09:50] and also helping to drive some of those, uh, vehicles
[2:09:54] go to go down to, um, the parcade. Another issue
[2:09:57] which is being addressed by the plan proposed here is,
[2:10:00] um, there was a, there was a, an architectural feature,
[2:10:04] which was the paver, um, roads. And the original intersections
[2:10:08] were actually meant to be raised intersection. So a lot
[2:10:10] of the treatment was focused on having different kinds of
[2:10:13] pavers to show, um, show where the walking areas are.
[2:10:16] Um, but the pavers, it is actually because of the
[2:10:19] way the roads have sort of either because of the
[2:10:23] pavers have faded or because there's less raised features. Um,
[2:10:27] it is, it can be hard to identify the exact
[2:10:30] crosswalk location. So this would also add, um, industry standard
[2:10:35] or Canada, um, standard, uh, crosswalk markings, which I think
[2:10:39] would help with that. Okay. Thank you for that. So
[2:10:43] some changes in what we're doing in some lessons learned.
[2:10:45] And, you know, obviously I remember our conversation on Spring
[2:10:48] Street and whether it's to be one way or not.
[2:10:52] And, um, just, you know, something to reflect on in
[2:10:55] terms of our lessons learned. And we're talking about new
[2:10:58] developments that we kind of don't repeat the same mistakes
[2:11:00] so we can have functional traffic and walkability in the
[2:11:04] neighbourhoods. We claim we're building coasts. They're so walkable. So
[2:11:06] I think this needs to get done. I mean, if,
[2:11:09] if this is the best way for, then fine. It
[2:11:11] just needs to get done. So thank you. Thank you,
[2:11:13] Councillor. Somebody want to move the motion. It's been moved
[2:11:17] in seconded. Is there an, is there any desire to
[2:11:20] hear from, um, a representative for Moni. Nope. Okay. You're
[2:11:25] off the hook. Um, then I will call the question.
[2:11:29] It's been moved and seconded all in favor. Opposed Carry
[2:11:32] unanimously. Thank you. Um, next item is committee appointments. Oh,
[2:11:37] oh, sorry my bad. The on table that this goes
[2:11:40] back to Mr. Uh, Mr. Moe again. Okay. So there
[2:11:46] is a recommendation and perhaps Mr. Moe, you can give
[2:11:49] us a quick update on where this is coming from
[2:11:53] and why it's here now tonight. Sure. Um, through the
[2:11:56] chair, I'm sorry that this was, uh, put on table.
[2:11:59] We were made aware of a grant program on July
[2:12:01] 13th in the deadline to apply a September 4th. So
[2:12:03] this is the last Council meeting before that deadline. So
[2:12:06] we needed to provide an ontable memo to seek approval
[2:12:08] if Council wants us to make an application. Um, this
[2:12:10] is a federal transport candida grant for rail, um, rail
[2:12:16] for a rail safety improvement program. Um, we have done
[2:12:20] work to explore whistle cessation, what work would be necessary
[2:12:24] for the Murray Street crossing of the CPKC spur line.
[2:12:29] This grant program does not cover whistle cessation, but it
[2:12:32] does cover safety improvements. And in order to ask for
[2:12:34] whistlecization, you need to improve that railway to high level
[2:12:37] of safety. So what we'll be doing is applying for
[2:12:40] the safety improvements, um, at Murray Street and for the
[2:12:44] Trassolini Field Crossings, which would then allow us in the
[2:12:46] future to ask for whistle cessation. The total project costs,
[2:12:49] a high level estimate is 400, 000 dollars. And this
[2:12:52] grant would cover 80 percent of the cost, which is
[2:12:55] why we thought we should re ask. Um, it's a
[2:12:57] three year funding program. So this would be our chance
[2:12:59] to apply for that three years. Um, I should be
[2:13:02] clear about whistle cessation, um, on the spur line is
[2:13:06] that if we were to do all of this work,
[2:13:08] uh, the whistle cessation was accepted by the, by the
[2:13:11] railway, it would stop whistling, um, at the Murray Street
[2:13:14] and the Traselini crosswalk, or sorry, crossings, but, um, but
[2:13:18] whistling would still be necessary for their long, um, the
[2:13:20] spur line. Continuing whistle satisfacing along there would have a
[2:13:26] high cost include include even needing to add bells and
[2:13:28] whistle warning or sorry light and bell warnings at some
[2:13:33] of the roadway crossings along there, which could also have
[2:13:35] impacts on the neighbourhood. So we're not recommending that, um,
[2:13:38] that the city would consider, um, expanding the program that
[2:13:41] far. Um, and also the way that we're suggesting is,
[2:13:45] is that the city does not get this grant that
[2:13:47] we would just return the funds to the reserve. Um,
[2:13:50] the total that we would ask for to commit to
[2:13:52] this would be 90, 000 dollars with 10, 000 dollars
[2:13:54] being to apply for the grant. Okay. Thank you very
[2:13:56] much. Um, for that explanation, Councillor Agtra. Thank you. I'd
[2:14:01] like to move the recommendation. Second. Okay. It's been moved
[2:14:03] in seconded. And then I think this is also a
[2:14:05] good example of where we've already done work and we're
[2:14:08] able now to jump on a grant, um, at the
[2:14:11] last minute. So appreciate, um, staff in making that happen.
[2:14:15] Thanks. Thank you so much. Um, Councillor Morrison. Thank you.
[2:14:19] I appreciate as well the explanation there. Mr. Moye in
[2:14:22] regards to the other areas. Cause we all know that,
[2:14:24] uh, down in the Pleasant side neighbourhood, et cetera, that
[2:14:26] they, uh, an older side would love to have those,
[2:14:29] um, horns and whistles stop. But the fact that the
[2:14:33] option is, you know, four minutes or three minutes long
[2:14:36] of Bel's ringing, um, might not be the preferred option.
[2:14:39] So then at this time, but I hope that in
[2:14:43] the future, if there ever is, the ability to, um,
[2:14:46] upgrade those, those intersections and stuff to make that with
[2:14:49] gates or whatever needs to be done to help it.
[2:14:51] I would, I would enjoy that conversation for that community.
[2:14:55] Um, but, uh, in this, in this neighbourhood to be
[2:14:57] able to get those, too, Mon Murray and behind Traslaney
[2:15:00] Field, I think would be a great option. So the
[2:15:02] fact that it's, even though we're paying for upgrades to
[2:15:05] help stop whistles at the end, uh, I don't think
[2:15:11] we should have to pay any of it to try
[2:15:12] to get that to stop and should be a fully
[2:15:15] covered by the government, um, I'm happy that at least
[2:15:17] 80 percent is covered. So thank you. Thank you. So
[2:15:19] it's been moved and seconded. I'll call the question all
[2:15:22] in favor. Opposed, Carrie, thanks so much for bringing this
[2:15:26] forward tonight, Mr. Moe. Now we're going to go to
[2:15:29] committee appointments. And. Earlier this evening council approved the following
[2:15:38] appointments to the youth focus committee. And, uh, those will
[2:15:46] be, and those individuals will be notified of their, uh.
[2:15:53] Membership of this youth focus committee. Shortly. No, it's already
[2:15:58] been done. So, um, I do not want to read
[2:16:02] all of those names. I'm afraid I might not do
[2:16:05] a very good job of it. So, uh, but we
[2:16:07] will be notifying the new members. Momentarily within the next
[2:16:12] few days. All right. And next item is Council Verbal
[2:16:16] Reports. Councillor Knowles. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'll, I'll be
[2:16:23] brief. This is our last meeting before our, um, August
[2:16:26] break. So I just wanted to quickly, um, shout out
[2:16:28] a few events happening in August. Um, for our residents,
[2:16:33] um, coming up August 1st, we've got celebrate BC at
[2:16:35] Rocky Point Park. This is our first annual, but hopefully
[2:16:39] more coming forward. I'm really looking forward to seeing this
[2:16:42] for the first time at our signature park. Um, you
[2:16:46] know, in addition, we've got the art outside opening on
[2:16:51] August 7th. Poem, that's Pomords outside opening. That's going to
[2:16:54] be seven day festival. Um, where art fills the streets
[2:16:58] really looking forward to that. We have Car Friday on
[2:17:04] August 16th. And then a bunch of smaller items that
[2:17:08] I'm going to leave to my colleagues, but I think
[2:17:11] those are the big ones. And I really hope to
[2:17:12] see a lot of residents out, um, out and enjoying
[2:17:15] those. The other thing I wanted to say is, um,
[2:17:20] a Councillor expressed today, you know, why are we, why
[2:17:23] are we doing this work three months prior to an
[2:17:26] election? And I just wanted to say that as a
[2:17:28] sitting councillor, um, I will always do the job that,
[2:17:33] um, I agreed to do, um, regardless of whether it's
[2:17:36] the last three months of my term or the first
[2:17:38] three months of my term, our job is our job.
[2:17:40] And, um, whether or not an election is coming. I
[2:17:43] don't believe that that should ever affect our decisions or
[2:17:46] judgments while we're at the table. We were elected for
[2:17:48] a purpose. And I think it's important that we keep
[2:17:50] in mind that we are expected to do our jobs.
[2:17:53] And, um, I'm proud that we did that tonight. Thank
[2:17:57] you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Dilworth. Of course, Councillor Knowles
[2:18:02] had the three events that I have on my list
[2:18:05] as well. But I want to speak a little bit
[2:18:07] more about art outside, which is launching next Friday, August
[2:18:12] 7th. And it's opening with, it's opening over in Pioneer
[2:18:17] Park. And there will be artists painting a community piano.
[2:18:24] For the park. And also painting those really, really big
[2:18:29] andironic chairs that you see throughout. So that is sort
[2:18:32] of the big first event that's taking place. And I'm
[2:18:35] really looking forward to it. And, um, uh, a few
[2:18:38] of us live in Newport Village. And I remember the
[2:18:41] last arts outside, you know, every day, you know, you
[2:18:46] could see, you could see magicians. You could see people
[2:18:49] all out in their patios listening to musicians, um, with
[2:18:53] or without instruments. It was just really, really well accepted.
[2:18:57] And it helped bring some of the neighbours together and
[2:18:59] gather well listening to those musicians. Uh, Carpe Day is
[2:19:03] August 16th. That's going to be great. Um. BCD, we've
[2:19:08] already covered that one. As the last meeting of the
[2:19:11] summer, you know, I've been reading a lot of warnings
[2:19:13] about whether events and whether it's floods out in the
[2:19:17] valley, wildfires in the centre of our province. I think
[2:19:20] in the lower mainland, one of the most impactful is
[2:19:24] heat domes. And I would just encourage everybody, you know,
[2:19:28] check in on your neighbours. Check in on your families.
[2:19:31] Certainly the city does provide cooling opportunities through a missed
[2:19:35] tunnel in some of our parks or opening up city
[2:19:39] hall gallery for people to gather in heat tempered space.
[2:19:45] But this is a, watch your pets, watch your neighbor's
[2:19:49] particularly seniors who might be more vulnerable or isolated or
[2:19:53] not knowing where to get support. So I want everyone
[2:19:57] to have a really safe. Yet happy summer. Thank you
[2:20:03] very much. Councillor Morrison. All right. Um, so, um, yes,
[2:20:12] happy summer to all my colleagues. Thank you again for
[2:20:15] an awesome first, oh, two thirds of the year at
[2:20:18] this point, uh, by the time we come back, um,
[2:20:20] September 22nd will be our next meeting because we actually
[2:20:23] have UBCM convention that, um, some of us are going
[2:20:27] to be attending to advocate on behalf of our community.
[2:20:31] Um, and also partake in some of the info sessions,
[2:20:35] LMLGA was when I attended earlier this year, I didn't
[2:20:37] do FCM. But some of them are really good topics
[2:20:40] on how to, you know, further public engagement or different
[2:20:43] ideas that other communities across BC, because this is all
[2:20:46] the British Columbia Municipalities have to solve regional issues or
[2:20:51] local issues that they might have encountered. So I'm looking
[2:20:54] forward to attending that. And I believe a few of
[2:20:56] my colleagues will be there as well. Um, and I
[2:20:59] will be, um, letting people know as I go throughout
[2:21:01] that, that program, you know, what's kind of coming up
[2:21:04] or what's been discussed in some of these things. And
[2:21:06] we also get to vote and advocate for our motions
[2:21:08] that we're also, um, very passionate about. Um, I also
[2:21:12] wanted to mention that, um, when we do reconvene, uh,
[2:21:16] as we know, we're in an election period now officially.
[2:21:20] And, uh, we'll have the full list of all the
[2:21:22] candidates that are going to be running, um, for mayor
[2:21:27] school board or council. And that'll all be finalised by
[2:21:30] the time we return. So I just want to encourage
[2:21:31] everybody out there that's either going to be meeting or
[2:21:35] the candidates or thinking about running themselves to look into
[2:21:37] it. Uh, there's information on the city website about it.
[2:21:41] Having a good variety of different perspectives and different visions
[2:21:44] is always wonderful. And I encourage, um, people to participate
[2:21:49] in that process as much as possible. And get out
[2:21:51] and vote eventually. But to get engaged because, you know,
[2:21:55] you need to ask those tough questions of myself or
[2:21:56] any of the candidates running and hopefully they'll have a
[2:22:00] vision on how they're going to deliver on their vision
[2:22:02] as well. So I encourage everybody, please get to know
[2:22:04] your candidates and support. Whomever you'd like in that, uh,
[2:22:08] in that race. Other than that, I'm heading off to
[2:22:10] the Okanagan for a few days for my father's retirement.
[2:22:13] So happy retirement to my dad after 45 years at
[2:22:17] the same sawmill. So it will be a very, very
[2:22:21] happy day for him to get a chance to retire.
[2:22:24] So congratulations dad on that retirement. Great. Thank you everyone.
[2:22:27] Thank you for that. Councillor Lubick. Thank you so much.
[2:22:31] Um, yeah, echoing Councillor Morrison, I'm excited for UBCM. And
[2:22:36] also the opportunity to talk to hopefully ministers and ministerial
[2:22:39] staff and advocate directly. For what we need. And I
[2:22:44] do want to give a shout out as Councillor Dilworth
[2:22:47] mentioned, you know, heat is a big issue right now.
[2:22:51] And if the wind changes smoke will be as well.
[2:22:53] We've already had a couple of air quality warnings. And
[2:22:56] our staff do a really good job of sharing information
[2:22:59] through the city website and letting people know who's more
[2:23:02] vulnerable and trying to keep people safe. So I do
[2:23:06] want to acknowledge all the work that staff do. Um,
[2:23:09] and last I just want to share a couple of,
[2:23:13] um, other events that the folks haven't mentioned yet. I
[2:23:18] know it's unbelievable. There aren't. There are still a couple,
[2:23:21] but I'm excited for nest building in Bienen. Nest building
[2:23:26] and component near park is part of art outside, but
[2:23:28] it's going to be, um, natural weaving and teaching people
[2:23:31] how to do that. So we're going to make a
[2:23:32] community nest. And I'm very excited about that. Um, the
[2:23:37] eighth. Yeah. Um, that's August 8th. Uh, this week, pomar
[2:23:43] arts has a, uh, art uncorked event again. So wine
[2:23:47] and art pairing. This has become one of my favourite
[2:23:48] things. Uh, we have cake culture days coming up, um,
[2:23:52] on August 9th. Or just the one day. And it's
[2:23:57] not in Moody, but, um, tricities wide, I think. I
[2:24:02] always love the dumpling festival. And I think it's important
[2:24:05] to share that because that came out of an anti
[2:24:09] - racism event, um, the organiser originally during COVID had
[2:24:13] a terrible experience of racism. And instead of getting, I'm
[2:24:17] sure she'd get upset at first, but then she decided
[2:24:20] to bring people together and thought, well, everyone has a
[2:24:23] dumpling. So let's get all of the dumplings together. And
[2:24:26] that's actually come out with my nieces favourite line of
[2:24:30] storybooks as well featuring all, um, all the dumplings that
[2:24:35] learn so much from each other. Um, so I'm looking
[2:24:37] forward to this year's edition of that. So thank you
[2:24:39] so much. See you guys in September. Thank you, Councillor.
[2:24:43] Um, I wanted to take an opportunity because we have,
[2:24:47] um, received some, some input and some questions about, um,
[2:24:51] a recent purchase that was approved by Council. And there
[2:24:55] was some discussion around, you know, the process under which
[2:25:00] that, that took place. But, um, I'm very pleased to
[2:25:02] be able to, uh, to talk tonight about, uh, the
[2:25:06] city purchasing land in Moody Centre. Um, near Kyle Centre
[2:25:10] for future use as park space. So recently we purchased
[2:25:14] almost 33 square feet or four properties located near Kyle
[2:25:19] Centre and Kyle Park for future use as public parks
[2:25:24] base to serve the Moody Centre neighbourhood and the broader
[2:25:27] community moving forward. So on behalf of Council, I'm pleased
[2:25:32] to announce the purchase of this land, which helps us
[2:25:35] meet the city's goals for Parkland established in the OCP
[2:25:39] and the Park Land strategy. And the acquisition of new
[2:25:44] Parkland to address gaps and meet current and future community
[2:25:47] needs as identified as a high priority in both documents,
[2:25:51] um, Moody Centre as noted as having the highest need,
[2:25:55] um, and with the renewal and expansion of Kyle Park
[2:25:58] highlighted, as we saw tonight as a top priority, due
[2:26:01] to a recognised deficit of park land and anticipated high
[2:26:04] demand for parkspace, um, as the neighbourhood evolves. This seemed
[2:26:08] like the right move to make. So, um, the process
[2:26:11] to develop both the OCP and the Parkland strategy included
[2:26:15] exclusive community engagement with meaningful and inclusive opportunities to provide
[2:26:21] input on community values and priorities. Feedback from the public
[2:26:26] helped to shape these important documents, which reflects a shared
[2:26:30] vision that guides counsel. And that is what we use
[2:26:33] to make these types of decisions. In refining the parkland
[2:26:37] strategy, we also heard valuable input from residents at the
[2:26:42] Mayorstown Hall and Community Dialogue on Park Expansion in Moody
[2:26:45] Centre. And that reinforced the importance of addressing Parkland needs
[2:26:49] in this neighbourhood. So the purchase of these properties near
[2:26:52] Kyle Centre was a strategic decision. Thoughtfully made to acquire
[2:26:57] land adjacent to an existing park in a high growth
[2:27:01] area and near additional properties purchased in recent years, uh,
[2:27:05] for future park space. Land is scarce in Port Mooney,
[2:27:09] which means that we have to act quickly and wherever
[2:27:12] possible, uh, when the land becomes available, um, this helps
[2:27:16] to ensure that we don't miss out on Parkland, especially
[2:27:19] in areas where the need is the greatest. Uh, we
[2:27:22] need, we now know that the community places a high
[2:27:25] value on parks and open spaces, which are essential to
[2:27:30] community wellbeing, biodiversity and climate resilience. So there will be
[2:27:33] more information released to the public tomorrow, uh, through, through
[2:27:37] a press release. It'll talk about, it'll give more details
[2:27:39] about the purchase information, more details about Kyle Centre redevelopment,
[2:27:44] um, and the Guiding Strategy documents that have led to
[2:27:47] this strategic decision of Council. But I wanted to provide
[2:27:50] that to members of the public tonight. Madam Ms City
[2:27:56] Manager, Madam Mathewson. Ms. Mathewson, do you have anything for
[2:28:01] us? I think you do not. All right. Um, then
[2:28:05] that will, that will give us to, um, adjournment. The
[2:28:09] meeting is adjourned. Thank you everybody.