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[0:01] It's recording in progress.
[0:32] for the very limited purpose of discussing ordinance 3358.
[0:37] I'm pushing with the public hearings, so everyone's bear with me as I run through the public hearing script.
[0:47] The public hearing for ordinance 3358 establishing interim land use regulations as authorized by the Growth Management Act,
[0:56] pending chapter 17.62 of the Port Townsend Municipal Code relating to shelter and emergency housing
[1:02] performance standards, providing for severability and establishing an effective date is now open.
[1:07] All persons wishing to be heard are encouraged to either sign in a table out front or the raise
[1:12] your hand using the meeting software. The purpose of this hearing is for the council to hear
[1:15] and consider pertinent facts and to take action relating to ordinance 3358 establishing
[1:21] interim land use regulations as authorized by the Growth Management Act,
[1:26] amending chapter 17.62 of the four towns in municipal code relating to shelter and emergency housing
[1:32] performance standards, providing for severability and establishing an effective date.
[1:37] Do any council members have any interests, financial or property to disclose in connection with this
[1:42] matter?
[1:43] Yes.
[1:45] The order of speaking will be staff presentation, comments from members of the public, response
[1:49] from staff, questions from council members,
[1:52] clarifying comments from the public if necessary
[1:54] in council deliberation and action.
[1:56] May I favor me?
[1:57] May I?
[1:58] This is not a public hearing.
[1:59] This is not a public hearing.
[2:01] Oh, it's not a public hearing.
[2:02] It's not a public hearing.
[2:03] It's an interim, zoning control, which a public hearing
[2:06] is scheduled within 60 days.
[2:08] Oh, geez.
[2:10] All right.
[2:10] All right.
[2:11] That's a public hearing.
[2:13] I'm going to stop on the long ramling
[2:15] that you're out to listen to.
[2:17] Thank you.
[2:18] Sorry.
[2:19] No, no, I just don't have much tighter than it used to be.
[2:22] That's true. I appreciate your work. We had to do that all the time.
[2:25] We were like, is it true? Come back and do that again later.
[2:28] Well, that's okay. Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah.
[2:31] Always, please step in if I go either on direction.
[2:37] Okay. Then, well, you heard what we were discussing without a public hearing.
[2:41] I guess I'm going to turn it over to Emma and Steve to talk this through.
[2:45] Thank you very much for the record. I'm Emma Bolin and the Director of Planning and Community Development for the City.
[2:52] So tonight we have an interim ordinance in front of you.
[2:56] The Growth Management Act authorizes more atoria and interim zoning ordinances in situations like this.
[3:06] We have a very progressive emergency shelter ordinance that was passed in April of 2024,
[3:13] which is a time-place and manner ordinance that identifies the appropriate places for facilities
[3:23] that our shelters or continuum of care where they can go and under what circumstances
[3:32] what manner so that there is public health and safety for all within our city.
[3:39] I want to remind everybody that zoning is, first and foremost, was created because of health and safety.
[3:48] Health and safety for everybody within a community, whether that's, if I call 911,
[3:54] we'll somebody be able to find the address where I am.
[3:56] Is there a water for somebody to apply out of fire?
[3:59] Is there sanitation so that we don't have issues with communicable diseases?
[4:07] Will people even be able to get to me physically?
[4:11] Is there adequate fire access and turnaround?
[4:14] Is there spacing between where people are in camp?
[4:17] Where people are in tiny shelters?
[4:20] And so that is very reason why we have codes establishing
[4:26] where appropriate zones are for a variety of uses.
[4:30] It really comes down to health and safety.
[4:32] Public health and safety for the community at large.
[4:35] With that said, we took another look at our ordinance, it is new, and thought about what we could do to streamline those permits.
[4:46] A variety of permits were a type 3 that went to a hearing examiner, and that can be a very lengthy process.
[4:57] So, because it would be in everybody's best interest for these to be streamlined, given the November 3rd
[5:10] expectation that people would be leaving the site next to DSHS.
[5:15] We wanted to allow our shelter providers to apply for a permit and get expedited review.
[5:23] So, the interim ordinance in front of you tonight would change some of the type permitting decisions from a type 3, requiring a public hearing to a type 1A.
[5:35] A type 1A does not require a public hearing. It is administrative. It does not require public comment. It does not require language requiring a good need for policy presentation to city council has been struck as well.
[5:50] It also will limit appeal rights actually, so the only appeal rights are with the applicant.
[6:00] The city does maintain the ability to modify withdrawal or provoke permits if there is not compliance.
[6:10] And I want to remind everybody that the very purpose of these is to ensure we have some form of potable water
[6:19] that we have sanitation, that is managed with some of the qualifications,
[6:24] and the managing site with individuals who have a variety of needs,
[6:31] ensuring that you have setbacks from neighboring properties,
[6:34] so that the fire department can access,
[6:37] that you're on a site, that the fire department's going to be able to put out a fire
[6:41] if they must go to it.
[6:43] There's also requirements that ensuring that if a child were to come with a parent child comes to the shelter that they are with their legal guardians.
[6:56] So that's not in front of you for a change. Just tonight that's currently within your ordinance. The only changes in front of you tonight are striking any language relating to a public hearing,
[7:06] conditionally use permit, a meeting with city council, and delegating the type 3 all to
[7:14] a type 1A permit. And I can take any questions that you may have.
[7:20] I think if you can answer, if we're going back a few years ago, remember the initiation
[7:26] of the before this code was in place at the place, which started as a tentant and migrated
[7:32] to timely home or timely shelters. This is this code really mirrors that original
[7:41] permitting process that they type it through and it's proven to be very successful.
[7:46] This is why we have a lot of confidence in streamlining the permits because we've seen
[7:50] an action and it's very successful. So I wanted to provide that a little bit of background
[7:57] there's some history behind it, even though this new code has not been formally used.
[8:04] Yes.
[8:04] Great.
[8:05] Thank you.
[8:05] Questions from Council?
[8:10] The only real question is to put a finer point on it that you did a good job of it.
[8:15] The purpose of this action tonight is for very limited purpose to just change the
[8:22] permit type for effectively shelters and emergency housing projects.
[8:29] Correct.
[8:30] Yes.
[8:33] Okay, and even though there's a hearing within 60 days, this is effective.
[8:41] Immediately, immediately, immediately.
[8:42] The resolution says, the last word is,
[8:50] thank you.
[8:53] Other questions from Council?
[8:56] It's pretty straightforward, ultimately.
[8:58] It's a very, very simple change to the, uh, the provisions code.
[9:03] Simple with big consequences.
[9:05] Yep.
[9:06] would certainly have a big answer to this question.
[9:08] I should have a question.
[9:10] Please own.
[9:12] For the entire permanent application process,
[9:15] are there any fees or other hurdles
[9:19] that an applicant would have to go through?
[9:22] We have not established fees for this use,
[9:25] and being that this is for indigenous people.
[9:29] This would, the fees, any fees if you were,
[9:31] or something would be waived.
[9:33] I also would like if I could just mention that the existing framework for where the Zomining
[9:44] allows these types of uses is almost every single zone in the city, except the MC zone.
[9:53] And the reason why is because we were intending to comply with Haspel 1220, which you have
[9:57] to allow emergency indoor shelters and any zone that will also hotel an MC zone.
[10:02] It does not.
[10:09] You address the barred entry situation with this permitting, like so in terms of drug use
[10:17] or whatever, I don't know.
[10:19] Okay.
[10:19] I can't remember from what it passes to you to look at what that was.
[10:25] Yeah.
[10:26] So if I could reframe your question.
[10:29] You're at any requirements that it has a barred entry for, because I know there's a
[10:34] or anything about sex offenders, but in terms of, like, drug use or alcohol use on site.
[10:40] Yeah, I don't, this code does not have any requirements about that. Obviously, there's, you know, requirements to notify the police if there's like a warrant.
[10:52] Or even just one thing to know, hey, somebody's on the sex offender registry, but it's not an automatic, like, barred entry.
[10:59] It's a notification, and that could be so we make sure not violating restraining orders
[11:06] or, you know, notifying anybody who is supposed to be notified under those orders.
[11:13] So, there's also a code of conduct that gets presented as part of the permit application that is set by that particular operator.
[11:27] Thank you.
[11:29] And then, this is a little beyond the scope of this specific language here, but would we be able to,
[11:36] the city, the city of an intention to be able to help assist potential, maybe a little hard to answer,
[11:44] but assist with, like, the current, you know, the dumpster and the order bodies.
[11:51] Like, with the land owner perhaps to continue our role in providing news.
[11:55] Um, the ordinance itself doesn't preclude us from doing not, that would be a, you know, budgetary decision.
[12:06] If I'm following up, if I'm going, then just brought up.
[12:10] So that means when it comes to those kind of financial instances that we have done in the past as a city,
[12:18] if, and in camp, I was established through this, these changes in the next few weeks,
[12:23] that we've come before Council again with recommendations from staff about a budgetary change.
[12:29] I want to be clear that the zoning permitting will not come in front of Council.
[12:35] It would be administrative if you take this action tonight.
[12:38] However, if there was a request for funding, that would come to City Council.
[12:44] Thank you for that clarity.
[12:48] Any other questions?
[12:50] Okay, we'll go to the public comment on this.
[13:02] Yeah.
[13:03] Hi, can you?
[13:04] All right.
[13:05] Please approach the podium.
[13:06] Stay your name.
[13:07] Relationship to the city for the record.
[13:09] We're not three minutes.
[13:10] There'll be a chime in two minutes and 30 seconds.
[13:12] So, you know, you're 30 seconds left.
[13:14] Okay.
[13:14] There's only a tape in the half.
[13:15] I'm assuming.
[13:18] My name's Pat KD.
[13:18] I do live here at Port Townsend.
[13:22] First thing.
[13:22] Any time you take something at a public input
[13:27] where just elected officials are going to make the decision, I personally have a problem with that.
[13:34] I think that leads to a number of things that I think were facing right now in the United States of America actually.
[13:42] So that's the first thing I didn't realize when I was hearing the report there.
[13:46] So, Evans visited, I only have one question towards why now, why not several months ago,
[13:58] why not four months from now, why are we doing this now with the weather changing the
[14:04] way it is?
[14:05] I don't get why now, I understand about safety, I understand about hygiene, I get all that,
[14:13] But if we're not able to help with that, to me, it's more common to see that it is the people who, unfortunately, are living in that encampment.
[14:23] So I have a struggle with. This is a compassionate action and we gave people a lot of warning.
[14:30] I guess I'm personally not buying that. Why are we doing this now? Why didn't we do it three or four months ago?
[14:37] Or why don't we wait and do it in a couple of months when the weather changes?
[14:40] so that it's a better time to make this type of transition.
[14:45] So thank you for your attention.
[14:47] Thank you.
[14:47] I'm going to clarify that tonight, the only action before us is not pertain to the date.
[14:52] It involves evolving and committed.
[14:55] This is simply a change in the permitting process for permitting.
[15:00] A few minutes. Anyone else?
[15:08] I have a statement, but it's more about the cabinet. I'm not going to read that. I realize that we are in a place where we have, like, the day is going to be the date, and there's not a whole lot that we can do about it. I do, I'm going to recall that John Marrow said if something was chosen, that there would be some kind of
[15:31] disability on the date,
[15:36] I have had to identify people for the police department who have
[15:40] died out in the weather and for me that is like a huge motivation to participate in these
[15:45] conversations and have worked with people who have been forgotten by the system.
[15:50] I appreciate who work being done to encourage a supported encampment.
[15:55] The ask that I have, is that there will be prioritization for applications that are intended to provide low barrier services.
[16:08] Thank you.
[16:09] I will sign up.
[16:10] Yes.
[16:11] The Vicki's on-tag?
[16:14] I'm
[16:18] Vicki.
[16:18] Hi.
[16:19] I'm Vicki's on-tag and I work in the housing system as an activist.
[16:24] And recently, I've been involved in helping create the five-year plan.
[16:37] One thing I want to say is, I'm really scared.
[16:41] I'm scared because I sat today in a conversation with Commerce, and Commerce had to
[16:47] turned down $7 million for what are called balance of state counties, which were one, because
[16:55] the way the administration is pushing funding that would effectively cut off all of our other
[17:03] resources and besides the money to help solve, you know, make progress on homelessness.
[17:10] And that's a big, big thing for commerce to do.
[17:16] I'm scared because we have 184 beds in our current system,
[17:26] and we have been working tirelessly.
[17:30] I mean, we work to make sure that the American Legion shelter
[17:36] shelter state open, those were beds.
[17:39] So we have been working on this, the service providers in consultation and cooperation with
[17:48] the city and the county to do this work to find the money when some of our service providers
[17:54] funding got cut off for this year, not just next year, it's for them to plan for and to
[18:04] and the number of bets.
[18:08] And what it comes down to is, you know,
[18:12] 184 bets is hard to maintain.
[18:15] And the kind of money we're being asked for
[18:17] in terms of operating is twice what we have available to us.
[18:23] And there are some things you could do.
[18:25] You could, big chunk of those assor for utilities bills.
[18:31] So we could fill in the utilities, see if we could reduce them to these operating centers.
[18:43] The thing that I'm saying is that it's a hard thing to do, to trade off, you know,
[18:50] looking at the unsheltered, and we haven't been trying to look for solutions on that.
[18:54] we have been trying to work with other people all across the board on there and then to have
[19:01] somebody come in and you literally decide when, you know, without consulting us and I'm
[19:10] safe, this is what's going to happen. And I understand the safety concerns but what about the safety
[19:17] of those people who are in the in-campments? They should be considered part of the public as well.
[19:22] Thank you.
[19:24] Anyone else signed up?
[19:25] Cameron Jones.
[19:27] All right.
[19:27] This is President podium.
[19:28] Same name.
[19:29] I wish it to those of you for the record.
[19:31] We remind, again, this is specifically to discuss the permitting process.
[19:35] Anyone else comments on that?
[19:37] We should really focus on that.
[19:39] Cameron Jones, I'm a resident since 2013.
[19:43] And I've worked with, well, organized Jefferson County has an advocate in the
[19:46] also on the housing task force to build on the five-year plan for on the Dodger's
[19:51] homelessness and affordable housing.
[19:54] And yet, I did come up here with more of a comment regarding the in-camp and in
[19:58] ideally making a pause on a day, and I'll try to keep my comments focused towards the
[20:03] permanent process.
[20:04] As I do believe, at the same time with the permanent process and the useful just as it
[20:08] would be useful to engage the folks that are part of the behavioral health
[20:13] source in determining a time frame to that would be feasible to get people
[20:19] behind the resituated. It'd be useful to use those folks who can to determine a
[20:23] permanent process that doesn't feel like it's creating more barriers in the
[20:27] name of public health and safety. This is actually addressing the people in the
[20:31] folks in the needs of that community and making it easier for people applying for
[20:35] permits and achieve that permit rather than making it more restrictive. So again
[20:38] He's in the community knowledge and wisdom to help give feedback
[20:42] a lot of the benefiting process to make it more accessible
[20:45] than that rather than less so.
[20:48] Thank you.
[20:49] Thank you.
[20:49] Anyone else?
[20:50] Maggie?
[20:53] I'm Maggie.
[20:54] I'm both the podium.
[20:55] Seeing the name of the leadership to the city for the record.
[21:01] Hi.
[21:02] I'm Maggie.
[21:03] I'm homeless.
[21:05] In April of 2024, I went to Washington DC for the grants pass versus Johnson case.
[21:15] Unfortunately, the Supreme Court ended up overturning the Oregon Ninth Circuit on the 8th Amendment for an unusual punishment, leaving the door open to jail and find people for just the status of being homeless.
[21:38] I was in the courtroom when Justice sort of my air asked the prosecuting side.
[21:48] The question, if you have two men, one is houseless, one has a home.
[21:56] They're on a public beach.
[21:58] They're both reading a book.
[22:00] They fall asleep and they're not supposed to do that.
[22:06] The law enforcement comes along, who is getting a ticket and the grass pass side said,
[22:17] unequivocably, that it would be the homeless person getting the ticket and she asked,
[22:25] would the person with the house get a ticket?
[22:28] No, so you are criminalizing people on their status of being homeless, not drugs, not mental health,
[22:42] not anything except that they cannot economically be inside, and you know, be whatever it is they are.
[22:53] you know, the various populations, so, and the six conservative justices, you know, they said nothing, so, this is not a belt climper, or the city needing to do their, you know, digging so that they can do their water supply.
[23:22] This is about criminalizing people who have no other choice and no alternative, no meaningful alternative.
[23:36] The shelters are crowded.
[23:42] That's all I have to say.
[23:45] Thank you, man.
[23:46] Thank you.
[23:46] You may all sign up.
[23:48] Julia, copper.
[23:49] Julia.
[23:51] Did you see your name relationship to the city for the record?
[23:54] Julia Conqueron, I run the winter welcome in Center across the street when it's up.
[24:00] And what I want to bring to your attention is a county policy that they are just creating,
[24:07] or editing, I'm not sure which, but it was on their agenda for this morning, and it's going to be on their agenda next week,
[24:14] and it's there in camp and removal policy, and it requires that people are trained.
[24:20] It says, right in the beginning of it, homelessness is not a crime, homeless people,
[24:25] or not criminals, and I recommend you all read it before you make any decision to
[24:31] actually unless your decision is to stall this.
[24:36] Thank you, Gillian.
[24:36] Anyone else signed up?
[24:38] There's no one else signed up.
[24:39] Any hands raised online?
[24:41] Yes.
[24:41] We have Lori Wake.
[24:42] All right, Lori.
[24:43] and then meet yourself to speak?
[24:51] I don't want to make sure.
[24:53] I'm good on you.
[24:54] We're checking to see if maybe we're being on our end.
[25:09] Can you hear me?
[25:12] Okay.
[25:12] Thank you.
[25:14] Hi, City Council.
[25:15] My name is Lori Wake.
[25:17] I'm a resident of Port Townsend,
[25:18] who offers child care and elder care in our community.
[25:23] I've paid close attention to the way you've been talking about the sweep
[25:27] and the way that you've been talking about the incantment in general.
[25:32] And I recognize this is about permitting, but I don't think you can actually remove the humanities from the permitting process.
[25:38] So I'm going to be speaking to the humanities here.
[25:42] I've seen you all claim that you do not know what to do, and that your hands are tied,
[25:46] and you have shown disregard for your responsibility for the most vulnerable, impoverished people in Portland,
[25:52] I, as a low income person myself, who has formed communities with low income, elderly, and disabled people who live in this town,
[26:00] I'm seeing your disregard for the wellbeing of the most vulnerable among us, and it really makes me scared.
[26:07] And it makes me wonder just who you think the public importance in really is.
[26:12] Who's really allowed to live here in Portland? Who do you think of when you think of as the residence of Portland?
[26:21] And why can't you see that your actions are directly affecting our neighbors and the public
[26:26] of portals in a way that may be genuinely lethal?
[26:31] Based on ways you've communicated on record through these many meetings, it also doesn't
[26:36] seem to make sense to you that this disregard for the most vulnerable people among us
[26:41] directly impacts every single person who lives in portals.
[26:43] them.
[26:44] Homeless people are a problem to scrub away, they are a part of the living class system of capitalism.
[26:49] And yes, it could be hard to look at while you're warm and bed, or trying to keep a squeaky
[26:53] clean image, but city council will remind you that you, as elected officials, are servants
[26:58] of the public importance.
[27:01] This includes an if I may insert an opinion, should prioritize those of us who are left with
[27:06] nowhere to go.
[27:07] The way you are currently operating says that people who do not have houses, don't have
[27:13] places to go on Port Townsend. That they are not given sanctuary and I don't think I've seen
[27:17] you fathom how close the general public is from being in the position of the people living
[27:21] in and around the DSHS. It's a broken leg, a lost family member, a disabling event away from
[27:28] any of us being cast into this class of people that you are actively disregarding is disposable
[27:32] and not worth the space in Port Townsend. And as a resident of Port Townsend, I do not want
[27:39] see my neighbors displaced at a time of year that puts their lives in danger and I want
[27:44] my own life to be secure. If I am put in a place where I am myself or my friends cannot work,
[27:50] I want intact community when I'm at my lowest and ask you to please reconsider your decisions
[27:57] and if the permitting process is what you need to do that, I encourage you to figure out how you can
[28:05] go about this permitting process in a way that actually has compassion built into it.
[28:10] These people survive through the winter, due to the care of each other, and through
[28:14] this stability of consistent place.
[28:17] These people take care of each other.
[28:18] This is an intact community that you're dispersing, push it until spring, and give the services
[28:24] that you are all responsible as to be counsel for delegating as servants of the public.
[28:30] time for the owners of for land owners and service providers to offer appropriate services to the winter.
[28:35] Thank you, thank you.
[28:37] Yeah, I want to say a couple of things real quick here before we continue on public comment.
[28:43] Very much appreciate the what people are bringing to this discussion.
[28:48] I don't disagree with most of what's being said.
[28:51] That said, we're being asked tonight to take emergency action to change code to allow permits
[28:59] to go through differently than they have been allowed to thus far.
[29:04] I want to make sure we're specifically hearing from people on the permit process because we're
[29:08] going to be talking about waving council rules to change the code.
[29:12] That is very important.
[29:14] I think to us as a council to make sure we specifically hear about people who may have concerns
[29:19] about the changes to the permit rules. Talking about the other issues around the
[29:24] Memphis and Cam and I, again, very much appreciate the concerns that people bring forward.
[29:30] We are literally legally not allowed to do anything other than what's on the special agenda
[29:34] tonight, and that is for this very specific purpose around permitting. And so if anyone is wanting
[29:40] to make public comment about permitting, I want to prioritize those comments. Do we have anyone
[29:47] And I would love it if people online would drop their hand if they're not going to speak
[29:51] to the permanent process we're talking about so that we can specifically call them
[29:56] those people.
[29:58] Otherwise, unfortunately, you're drowning out those.
[30:05] All right, on yet, do you have comments specifically on the permitting process that we're talking about here?
[30:14] Hello, can you hear me? Yes.
[30:17] Hi, I'm my hands on a call, and I'm speaking on behalf of myself and not my employer. I'm speaking about the permitting process, because it's directly impacts the folks who are living outside of the ovens,
[30:28] I'm asking you tonight to see the humanity and people living at the encampment.
[30:32] These are not statistics or problems to manage. These are human beings.
[30:36] People who have lost homes and safety and trust, but still showing up every day to survive.
[30:40] And they're keep getting pushed out.
[30:42] You mayor, favor, and the rest of city council, you all hold real power here.
[30:46] You all personally in your roles right now have the ability to decide whether this city acts with compassion or with cruelty.
[30:53] I heard some of you say earlier that city employees have said that the quit their job if this
[30:58] displacement doesn't move forward. Let them quit. People public service is not about protecting
[31:04] our comfort. It's about standing up for people who have nowhere else to go and no one else
[31:09] to stand up for them. If you sweep this encampment without a real viable place for people to go,
[31:14] you are not solving homelessness, you are just hiding it. You are breaking trust with service providers
[31:19] with the city with the county. You are pushing people's deeper into the margins,
[31:23] although we harder to reach and harder to help and at higher risk of real harm.
[31:28] You all have the power to choose differently. You can choose humanity and you can choose to extend
[31:32] this deadline. Call another meeting tomorrow. Call another meeting on Thursday. Call another meeting.
[31:38] If now is only the time to talk about the permit, we need to talk about just placing people next
[31:42] Tuesday. You have the power to extend this deadline and every single person until every single
[31:48] person has somewhere to go that safe and dignified.
[31:51] So please do what's right and lead with courage and compassion.
[31:57] All right, do we have comments on the permanent process?
[32:00] Please.
[32:02] There's no one else with their hand raised.
[32:04] All right.
[32:04] Anyone in the room with comments on the subject?
[32:07] All right, please approach the podium.
[32:09] Stay in the name of the leadership of the city for the record.
[32:14] My name is James Fulltouse.
[32:16] I'm director of housing for base side.
[32:19] During my time with Bayside, I've seen effective case management.
[32:25] I've seen individuals get mental health treatment.
[32:28] I've seen individuals get housed.
[32:31] I'm not here to argue whether the encampments should be moved or not.
[32:36] I'm here to ask that the permit process get passed.
[32:40] We're able to house people that are right now in the position, not receiving help.
[32:46] So, thank you for considering, but for my point, please pass it.
[32:53] Thank you.
[32:54] Thank you, James.
[32:54] Anyone else?
[32:57] I'm pleased to present the podium.
[32:58] Stick your name below for the seat for the record.
[33:01] I'm Chris Hannon.
[33:02] I work as a service provider and for tons and as well.
[33:05] I just wanted to point out that in your own statement in the last 18 months,
[33:11] that no permits have been submitted to the city.
[33:14] And, while I do agree with the previous statement that you should pass this to make it easier for these permits, I can't speak for every different service provider organization in the area, but you're going into our second legislative session in Washington State in a row where we are actively in a budget deficit and funds are being cut, and then we all know, of course, at the federal level, they're being cut even more dramatically.
[33:38] And so my ask of the city would be not only to pass this, but to consider all options in terms of assisting in funding any service providers who may be interested in providing these services, but just cannot summon the funds whether they be from the state or the federal government right now.
[33:57] Thank you, Chris.
[33:59] Anyone else?
[34:01] Please.
[34:05] Say your name in relation to the city for the record.
[34:07] The Gary Keyster.
[34:08] There's an important council in the basic housing.
[34:11] I just want to say that the permit is extremely important because we can be able to put additional
[34:17] folks at the best place property that we've operated for several years under a permit with a city with
[34:25] very little issue and a lot of relationship with it.
[34:30] The neighbors and we would, of course, let them know that this was going to be for limited a lot of time because that property is destined to become a business village in six months or so, so this would be an interim activity.
[34:45] And then we're also looking at a more permanent camp at our sad one property for maybe up to two years.
[34:54] It's going to take longer to go through the regular permitting process, but that's an idea for
[35:00] here.
[35:01] And then we're hoping to move other of the campers to our property and the church in Adlock,
[35:09] where we have another tiny house village, and then to Woodley Place, where we put 4 to 6 people
[35:17] there as well.
[35:18] And then at the downtown shelter, we have a few extra beds for, during the time of weather,
[35:24] we could put five males and three females there. So we hope you pass the extension here. Thank you.
[35:32] Thank you here. Anyone else? Last call online?
[35:38] There are no hands raised online.
[35:41] All right. The council could discuss your interaction then.
[35:50] There was a question asked by a commenter about prioritization of these applications. Is there a way to fast track them?
[36:01] There is a way that we could fast track them.
[36:10] Yes.
[36:10] Then I wasn't sure if I influenced it.
[36:14] Could you sometimes question about utilities?
[36:18] But do you want to pick up on that?
[36:20] Like the ability to...
[36:22] Sorry, it's not back and forth, I guess.
[36:25] But just this stuck out to me that there was a way
[36:26] that the city can work with.
[36:30] I guess somebody takes this up.
[36:31] that's my not only question that can be in spring to make.
[36:35] Can a city work with somebody on utilities that we would charge?
[36:42] This sort of represents the dress of utilities and cost their up.
[36:47] So I'd be a separate Council Action.
[36:52] So isn't something we can discuss under this special meeting?
[37:00] Yes, sir.
[37:00] I just wanted to clarify because I think sometimes people don't know how this works.
[37:04] when you call a special meeting, it can only have the single topic of the agenda.
[37:12] So it's not that we're not trying to take this up.
[37:15] It's just because this is a special meeting we don't normally meet on the fourth
[37:18] Monday.
[37:20] This is the one topic that's before us tonight.
[37:24] That said, trying to get streaming the permit process is a step in being able to provide
[37:32] a longer-term permanent encampment, and that's kind of the goal here, because that helps
[37:38] untangle the situation in Evan's Pesta, and I just wanted to make that clear because I think
[37:42] sometimes people aren't hearing that, or maybe just don't have the bigger projects.
[37:48] So why are we working on a permanent thing right now?
[37:51] It's a specifically language to make it easier to permit encampment.
[38:01] I'll add on to what Libby said that this is following the rules of government precisely because
[38:15] we want to reinforce those standards, we're not going to discuss something that was not
[38:22] to the public, we're not going to make a decision on something that is introduced before us
[38:29] tonight.
[38:30] That's not how this government works.
[38:36] Sticking to what we said we were going to discuss, we're going to make a decision on
[38:41] that.
[38:41] That doesn't mean we don't care about other things.
[38:44] We'll address those in a big time, we're not going to make off the cuff decisions
[38:49] without proper understanding of all of the issues, and without hearing from the people
[38:59] affected, and that's something that I think other governments are not necessarily following
[39:08] those standards, and that's part of why we want to uphold them here.
[39:15] You know, I can ask a question about the permit itself and the not the extension part of it,
[39:20] just something because it was written in the form of my time and I just want to clarify that.
[39:23] I can do that.
[39:25] Yeah.
[39:25] We have specifically, it's 17.6 to open.
[39:33] There's a list of things on here that it's got to have a potable water, a portable, a portable,
[39:39] or permanent toilet, a sandwiching station.
[39:42] And one of the ones is food handling and storage facilities.
[39:48] to pause under this permit and have to have all of those, or can it have some of those.
[39:54] I'm asking you specifically about the kitchen stuff because it strikes me as something
[39:57] that's going to drive up complexity, time, and cost, and could be done quicker without,
[40:01] and I'm just kind of curious if you could help you with that.
[40:05] That's a very good question.
[40:07] So all of those things listed are required.
[40:09] However, subsection D of that particular section, my interpretation is that if you were to be offering food facilities that they do need to meet the public health requirements.
[40:24] So wouldn't be, you know, wouldn't be a requirement that, you know, I will give an example
[40:32] that at Casal Brown Village they had a food tent for a while, and so the health department
[40:37] had to ensure that that met any requirements for temperature control.
[40:44] Doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to need to meet building code for that structure.
[40:55] It doesn't have to have a food system, that's part of the facility, correct?
[41:01] We're for emergency outdoor shelter, really the focus here is on puddle water, the Santa
[41:10] can or permanent toilet, trash facilities,
[41:17] ensuring that you don't have people dropping
[41:20] it off, who aren't living in that facility in the management, in the management, of course.
[41:26] Yes?
[41:26] Perfect.
[41:27] Thanks.
[41:29] Would we?
[41:29] I'm going to suggest a very minor amendment to that section, which is 17.62.050D, which would
[41:41] be to insert the word any in front of food handling and storage facilities, because
[41:45] how that section reads right now is the following operational requirements applied to
[41:50] emergency housing and shelter suffering overnight services or beds, which I would interpret
[41:55] it, even to be like a tent city and a campman. And because it doesn't have that word
[42:01] in any, it just says food handling and storage facilities, meeting all things, that reads to me
[42:06] as if it is requiring that that has food handling and storage facilities, whereas I can conceive
[42:12] of, and I'm just throwing out an example. A church says we're going to permit an campman
[42:18] are side-lots or something, I know a lot of churches in the Seattle area do that periodically.
[42:24] They don't necessarily have food handling facilities there, but people will bring in food that was prepared in the course of kitchen,
[42:30] which does mean, but it's not on site.
[42:32] And I think adding that word, any would kind of make that more flexible.
[42:37] Particularly if you're trying to get people in to shelter sooner rather than later,
[42:42] and then maybe have a kitchen truck come later.
[42:44] I think with that, any food handling, as far as facilities, shall me all, yeah, I think that would be the right way to work.
[42:57] I think the cell in there, and that becomes a reality.
[43:01] You can have it with all that.
[43:05] Yeah.
[43:05] The school's conversation is just starting to make motion now, right?
[43:09] Yeah, sure.
[43:09] If we are following appropriate, that should be a standalone motion to make an amendment before we move the entire
[43:19] I'm going to make a motion that we amend during 176050D to read any food handling and
[43:28] storage facilities, show me all public health requirements, including those in Chapter 246-215WSC,
[43:35] including but not limited to property temperature control for food storage and the educational
[43:39] program for shelter residents.
[43:41] So I can be further discussion on that now.
[43:48] Okay.
[43:49] All those in favor, please let me give a saying aye.
[43:52] In the post.
[43:54] Okay.
[43:55] I just want to make clear for the record.
[43:57] This is on page 10 of the proposed.
[44:03] What's page 23 of the packet?
[44:04] Question?
[44:09] I did have a question about the under 17.62.030 section 2 for the safe parking
[44:19] hosted by a religious organization.
[44:22] It seems that the A seems to have been deleted there, is that there's just an
[44:28] and if you and my copy here.
[44:31] So just see which page I talked about?
[44:33] Page two of the ordinance page, 15 of the PDF.
[44:41] Did you say it was 17.62.0?
[44:45] Three zero.
[44:46] The different describing the different types
[44:50] of potential applications.
[44:53] Yeah, there's a site on the internet.
[44:55] But not an implementation, it's the internet version.
[44:56] It struck the A when that.
[45:04] If you just allow me a moment, I just want to make sure that it is a scripness error that there isn't any other scripness errors that they have the correct version.
[45:15] Can you just give me a moment here?
[45:22] Who's the one with already already administered it?
[45:25] Because that was in charge.
[45:28] Most of these had been type one one or I, but this one was already one.
[45:35] Because of the state.
[45:36] Because it was a ministry.
[45:40] I'm just certain.
[45:41] Yes, it was a global search in our place.
[45:43] It was a day one.
[45:44] It's just a day one.
[45:46] Yeah.
[45:46] Yeah.
[45:48] I think it just, I think probably there was a search.
[45:57] I want to make sure that there isn't another screwner's error in it, so I'm just searching for it now.
[46:06] Could I give it time?
[46:08] taking the fast bite of the proverbial apple, you don't want to actually make up for the
[46:14] code.
[46:17] Yeah,
[46:20] that happened under the other safe parking in O4O too.
[46:24] Okay, that is, you have the correct, the superseded correct copy and not type 1A as a script
[46:30] in this error, so we'll make sure that gets limited.
[46:32] So if you have any thought a second one of the same error, you found a second one.
[46:36] In O4O, in the table, it has also doubled the lead as a type 1A, at least one spot.
[46:49] But noting that that is a script and there's error means that you can replace that later.
[46:53] We don't have to start off with our motion.
[46:54] Any instance of type 1 means to be type 1A, so that's the intent.
[46:59] Okay.
[47:01] So those were the type one A and the first place that we're going to need to see that way.
[47:14] Any other edits to read?
[47:16] I mean, I'll say just before motion, I mean, this is the very purpose of this.
[47:21] I mean, from the get go, the purpose of the language here, when we spoke as a counsel about this before,
[47:29] you want to make sure that this was authorizing the lowest possible barrier shelters to those coming before.
[47:37] I think that is very important.
[47:41] We had some pretty significant public notice requirements,
[47:46] some to the existing version of this ordinance,
[47:52] which I get the desire to make sure that the community has a say
[47:57] on whatever happens around them.
[47:59] Ultimately, to the point that a lot of the people who are speaking
[48:03] to tonight about this and so forth, the idea of acquiring public hearings before we can
[48:12] have supported in can't and really makes it a much harder process for providers to
[48:19] house people, emergency shelters, tiny shelters, other forms of sort of housing that
[48:29] is, hopefully, insufficient for the people in our community
[48:33] that it's basically the best that we can do with the moment.
[48:39] So this change could end up creating some pretty notable backlash
[48:45] from parts of the community.
[48:47] When this thing moves forward, I and more than willing to stand up
[48:53] to have, but it's just knowing that all of us in council
[48:56] could be having the exact opposite
[48:59] collection of people,
[49:01] bergating into a council chamber,
[49:02] and yelling at us for like almost
[49:04] people live near them.
[49:07] I think that is a risk-worth
[49:09] taking and a source of
[49:13] higher worth dealing with.
[49:16] But yeah, just want to make sure
[49:18] we're fully across that
[49:21] this part of this.
[49:23] I live in the past-place neighborhood. That's literally in my backyard. I walk my
[49:30] dog past there on a very regular basis with no issues at all. I remember when we
[49:34] were doing the public comment process, there were so many people in these
[49:39] chambers super upset that we were going to have homeless people in a family
[49:44] neighborhood. It's been nothing but a benefit to this community to have people there
[49:51] And if we can make it easier, if we can make it less expensive, if we can make it so that
[49:56] there are less possibility for appeal by angry neighbors, I'm in favor of that.
[50:02] So I'm going to go let Ben, who's chomping at the bid, he really wants to make motion.
[50:08] I don't have my thing open, you do it.
[50:11] I'll say that, I think ideally you get the best buy-in for the most people as possible
[50:17] before you answer there isn't further reaction against you.
[50:20] I wish we weren't forced up against this deadline to get to that point, but here we are.
[50:27] I moved away from Council rules and approved ordinance 3358 establishing interim land use regulations as authorized by the Gross Management Act.
[50:36] Amendment Chapter 17.62 of the Portons of Municipal Code,
[50:42] led into shelter and emergency housing performance standards,
[50:46] providing for severability and establishing an effective date.
[50:51] Second time?
[50:52] I don't know, the motion of second.
[50:54] And if we're going to discussion.
[50:57] All right, just make clear that as amended.
[50:59] Oh, yes.
[51:00] Oh, as amended.
[51:01] Well, men in the second two, men in the third.
[51:03] That's why we're going to amend the other all little thing, yeah.
[51:06] I think David and Amy both of you, and you've been very eloquent in my feelings tonight and I'm willing to, I think, I'm comfortable moving forward.
[51:20] I'm willing to do this. There could be backlash from other parts of our community on it. All of us have found out in this job what I found out is it's not easy stepping up and doing this job for our community.
[51:35] But I appreciate working with all of you, because I always see each time we do this, we are trying hard to do the best we can do for as many of our residents as we can with what we do.
[51:48] And this is the right thing to do now is make it easier at this last minute to see how many we can get asked.
[52:01] Just briefly, that one of the difficulties of elected office is that you said it well of doing what you can do, that there are things that are in our
[52:15] Bailey Wick and there are things that are not and things like permitting and code is in our Bailey Wick that that's something we get to change
[52:21] So, trying to reduce the barriers to have a housing provider like Bayside who is stepped up tonight,
[52:32] making that easier to do means it more likely that people are going to be able to get into housing and the family education.
[52:40] Yeah, and to some of the comments about the funding piece, and I really appreciate the difficulties in this space.
[52:48] And I think if I'm interpreting Vicki's comments appropriately, there's additional things
[52:54] we need to talk about in the future potential on our utility rates.
[53:01] There's been other things to come on us, but those are things that we can talk about
[53:07] doing as a city in the future.
[53:11] For encampments that might be coming in the future, that need help might be coming very quickly
[53:16] in the future and come to us for help that in the different things before us and finances,
[53:22] the budget and setting policy, are the really only two jobs we do.
[53:28] Any other comments?
[53:29] Before I call the question?
[53:32] Okay, all those in favor, please, I'm going to give a saying aye.
[53:36] All right.
[53:37] Any post?
[53:39] Okay, that motion carries.
[53:41] Thanks everyone.
[53:42] We're adjourned.