1 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,960 before you get out of here. 2 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:28,720 » Sorry, I didn't mean to startle you. All right, we're going to go ahead and call 3 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:33,680 this meeting to order. Um, I have asked the wonderful councilwoman Bradshaw to 4 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,919 give us give us our prayer and pledge. Please stand. 5 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,880 » Let's pray. Heavenly Father, we come before you today and we just thank you 6 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,880 for your goodness. We thank you for your grace. We thank you for um all that you 7 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:51,680 give us and all the blessings that we have and and where we live and um and 8 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,680 this ability to be able to meet here peacefully tonight. And so God, we just 9 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:59,440 pray over this agenda. We ask that you give us wisdom as we discuss all of 10 00:08:57,839 --> 00:09:04,480 these things that we have before us today. And God, that you just continue 11 00:09:01,839 --> 00:09:07,920 to to bless each of us in this room and um to continue to um be with this 12 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,279 community because we know that you're for prayer as just as well as you are 13 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:17,120 for each of us. It's in your name we pray. Amen. 14 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:22,880 » Attention, salute, pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United 15 00:09:19,839 --> 00:09:29,279 States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under 16 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:32,920 God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 17 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:40,880 » Thank you. If we could uh please have roll call. 18 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,800 » Lamar >> here. 19 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:46,560 » Shire here. >> Bradshaw here. Rashers 20 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,080 » here. Brown >> here. 21 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,440 » Traml >> here. 22 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,800 » Brown >> here. 23 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,959 » Smith >> here. Okay. 24 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,959 » Um, I have one petition from the audience and that is Miss Charlene 25 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:02,200 Kendrick. >> Did you? 26 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:08,880 » That's perfectly fine. >> Split our five minutes. 27 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,120 » That's all right. >> Okay. Thank you for giving us this time. 28 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:19,360 My name is Barbara Drum and I'm representing the Prior Creek Sertoma 29 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:24,399 Club and we are sponsoring the 76th anniversary 30 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:32,160 of the Certoma Miss Maize County Scholarship Pageant will be held 31 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Saturday, March 7th at 6 PM at the Ara Performing Arts Center. The pageant this 32 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:44,000 year will award over $5,000 in scholarships to help the contestants 33 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:50,000 pursue their educational goals. Tickets are available at eventbrite.com. 34 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:55,360 We want to invite all of you to attend. Bring a friend and help us in 35 00:10:52,480 --> 00:11:00,240 celebrating these girls and s supporting the work that Sirtoma does for seniors 36 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:04,800 in the Maize County area. And now I'll turn this over to Richard, our 37 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:10,399 president. Thank you. >> Hey, some of you know me. I'm Richard, 38 00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:15,200 » president of the STOMA Club and the senior citizen. This is my second 39 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:18,800 goound. We do a lot of things that you don't know about. We have free 40 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:24,880 transportation. We have a van that runs every day taking people all over town 41 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:29,600 free. We serve free meals. We have healthc care. We have bingo. We have all 42 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:35,200 this stuff going on. And our mission was and it still is 43 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:39,200 the seniors and the city of prayer. We couldn't make it without city of prior. 44 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:44,560 We I thank you personally for each one of you because so over the years you 45 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:49,040 have supported us backed us give us things when we needed it and it's just 46 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:54,480 been a real blessing to us through this. So we are going on with this our 47 00:11:51,839 --> 00:11:58,720 mission. This is the 76th year for this passion. Each one of you need to be 48 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,640 there and have a get a ticket. You better get there early because they're 49 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:07,920 selling out. I couldn't get the pulse. Somebody bought them all [laughter] 50 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:11,120 the papers. I mean, it's really getting really getting excited. The city of 51 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:16,800 Prior is getting excited about what's going on in Prior. It's time. Tires. 52 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,320 Prior's been a secret for too many years. 53 00:12:17,839 --> 00:12:27,279 » I moved here in 70, started a business in 70. So, I've been here for I've seen 54 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:33,360 it way before Google even thought about this place. But anyway, we thank you and 55 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:37,920 we thank them the pulse. They put something on the front page. It has 56 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:42,160 never happened that I know of. It's awesome. It's was wonderful. I can 57 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,160 see the excitement going on. Anyway, I don't have any more to talk with. Thank 58 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:47,920 you. >> Thank you. 59 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:51,079 » Thank you. You >> Thank you. 60 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,560 We appreciate that. 61 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:07,040 » All right, we're going to [sighs] move on to the consent agenda. Um, 62 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,639 » we are going to kind of jump around a little bit. I'm going to request any 63 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,200 items that need to be pulled. I'm gonna pull E, obviously. 64 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:23,200 Okay. Okay. If there's none other, then we will get a motion to approve A 65 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:26,800 through I with the exception of E. >> Motion. 66 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,600 » Second. >> Okay. Call for vote. 67 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,200 » Lamar, >> yes. 68 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,800 » Shopire, >> yes. 69 00:13:34,079 --> 00:13:36,240 » Bradshaw, >> yes. 70 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,480 » Shears, >> yes. 71 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,839 » Tyler, >> yes. 72 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,120 » Traml, >> yes. 73 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,399 » Steve, >> yes. 74 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:48,480 » Smith, >> yes. Okay. Um, MUB is wrapping up their 75 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:52,639 their meeting right now and Jared had asked to come up for item E. So, we'll 76 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:56,720 give them a few minutes. We'll jump down to the mayor's report. 77 00:13:55,789 --> 00:14:02,399 [clears throat] Item A, discussion and possible action 78 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:06,560 to accept a bid in the amount of 312,336 from Yamaha Golf Cart Company for the 79 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:10,720 purchase of 60 new golf carts, three utility carts at the prior uh Creek Golf 80 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:14,480 Course in the best interest of the city. One other bid was received from Clear 81 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:19,199 Creek Golf Car and Utility Vehicles in the amount of 237345. 82 00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:22,160 » Motion. >> Motion from Choya. 83 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:27,229 » Second. >> Second from uh for Shears. 84 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:32,240 Discussion. [clears throat] 85 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:37,920 » Did they say why they wanted the Yamaha over Clear Creek? 86 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:42,720 » Um we've got Dennis here. So, we're gonna we're gonna 87 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:47,440 » And also one other thing, uh, is it what's the account number that would be 88 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:53,760 associated with this purchase? >> That was 41451. 89 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:56,800 » 41541. >> Yes. 90 00:14:54,880 --> 00:15:00,320 » Those memorized. >> Just deal with the one. 91 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:05,760 » What was that again? >> Yes, we do. [laughter] 92 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:09,440 Well, the first clarification on it all is none of this is coming from tax 93 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,120 dollars. Correct. >> Correct. The golf course, where does the 94 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:14,800 golf course get its income? >> Sorry, 95 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,680 » it's revenue. The golf course gets its revenue from what? 96 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:21,680 » It's income. Yeah, we generate our own income and and we pay all of our 97 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,720 expenses out of our revenue. We generate and we do all our capital expenditures 98 00:15:24,079 --> 00:15:26,959 out of that. >> All right. Well, I just had a lot of 99 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,320 questions about it. So, >> yeah, 100 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:33,199 » I just wanted to make that. >> Sure. Absolutely. [snorts] 101 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:37,600 But go ahead with the the bid the bids the difference between the two. 102 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:41,279 » So uh the golf course has been very successful 103 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:49,040 with what we've been doing out there. But uh the difference in the bids is 104 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:54,880 club car bid their cart. Yamaha bid their topofthe line cart which is a 105 00:15:51,440 --> 00:16:00,480 quiet tech cart. So that's what we have right now. 106 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:04,480 And when we went from electric to gas, you know, the board wanted a quiet cart. 107 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:09,040 They didn't want a loud cart out there. So, because, you know, you got bunch of 108 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:16,480 carts. So, that's why we went with the uh Yamaha the last time. So, uh, 109 00:16:15,306 --> 00:16:20,839 [snorts] we we we speced 110 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:28,560 to I guess the engineer, he kind of changed the specs the way he wanted to, 111 00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:33,040 which Yamaha could have bid a less quality cart, didn't have the quiet 112 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:39,360 technology on it, but they didn't do that because that's not what we our 113 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:42,480 interest was at the time. So, the park board, they're the ones that made the 114 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:45,440 decision. And I told them, it's totally up to them. It doesn't matter to me 115 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,360 either way. I want to have new [snorts] carts. I need carts. I've got a lot of 116 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:53,279 tournaments coming up. And every tournament, I think I got two to three 117 00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:57,440 in March and it's probably going to 60 carts versus 50 is going to generate 118 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:02,720 another thousand dollars a day. So, it can, you know, it's going to really 119 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:07,199 increase. I know uh [clears throat] and and Bernie's here with Club Car. He 120 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:12,400 can probably answer any Club Cars. From my studies, Yamaha is about 25% more 121 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:17,039 fuel efficient. So, that's a quite 122 00:17:15,439 --> 00:17:22,079 » we be trading in any of these. >> Yes, we're trading in all of ours. 123 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:27,360 » Our 50 carts would get traded in. >> So, does that take anything off the bid 124 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:31,520 amount for 135,000? >> Yeah. 125 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:36,880 » And that was interesting. Both >> Club Car and Yamaha had come up with the 126 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:41,360 same freight in price for our carts. So what would the fi So the final amount 127 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:43,919 would be under 200 but what about the amount from clear creek 128 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,760 » that is the final >> clear creek is 237 129 00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:53,520 » this amount has the >> the original was 447 for 130 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:57,720 » 37 yeah >> so what's the difference in decibels 131 00:17:58,142 --> 00:18:03,280 [clears throat] >> the noise difference 132 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:07,280 you know uh I think it's about from 60 to 70 which is what they say has being 133 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,000 in kind of a quiet room to being in a very loud room. 134 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:14,000 » To be real honest with you, I'm not trying to be anyway right here, but 135 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:17,200 » I've got a decibel meter running right here and us talking in here is bumping 136 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,880 70, >> right? 137 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,960 » So, it couldn't be terribly loud. It's not like running a chainsaw or 138 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:27,520 something. >> No, but problem is what it is. 139 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:34,000 » Two or three carts in a group. And like I said, the park board, they're the ones 140 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:38,400 that made this decision. And uh we I did have club car. They were nice enough to 141 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:40,480 bring a card out in in Yamaha and you could hop in them and see the 142 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:45,360 difference. And >> several of the park board members did. 143 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:50,597 » So I've got a few questions. 144 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,597 » Um [clears throat] 145 00:18:51,520 --> 00:19:01,120 why weren't was not as the department head? Why is the bid packet and specs 146 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:05,280 not in our packet to study for this consideration tonight? Several other 147 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:10,480 department heads when they make big purchases in our packet, we always have 148 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,120 the information about that in detail. Why was we not included in this this 149 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,720 time? >> I think that's been put out in the past 150 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:20,240 and it just wasn't included this time. So, okay, it's all been on Jay's desk or 151 00:19:18,708 --> 00:19:25,968 [clears throat] all of those >> have been and always will be. So, okay. 152 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,968 uh [clears throat] 153 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:33,360 other than what is your real justification? Well, let me ask this. 154 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:37,520 What's the pros and cons? And then what is your justification of why should we 155 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:43,600 should go with something that's 75 approximately $75,000 higher? 156 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:48,960 » The uh it's it's a park board made decision, not me. So the I would think 157 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,240 » but for the better the best interest of the city 158 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,240 » right >> government the city 159 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:57,520 » right I understand >> government what's what's why the Yamaha 160 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:00,240 over that what's the >> I also don't think it's fair for you to 161 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,760 put this on the park board I think that I remember watching the meetings where 162 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:06,000 you were advocating one for the Yamaha strong the other so I don't think it's 163 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,919 fair to put it on the backs of the parkboard 164 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,720 » they're trying to use your recommendation but 165 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:15,360 » right I'm going to explain it y >> so 166 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:18,799 we have the Yamaha quiet tech. Now, like I said, we went with the quiet tech. We 167 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,960 could have went with the less expensive Yamaha cart long time ago. We went to 168 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:26,960 quiet tech because we wanted the quiet noise out there, and it's a noticeable 169 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:32,000 difference. Uh that's why we brought the carts up here for everybody to try out. 170 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:36,559 And uh so I think I emailed everybody, got an email to try it. So that that's a 171 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:43,919 big difference. [clears throat] Uh Yamaha does get 25% more better fuel 172 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:49,039 economy. We did a test on it. uh not the recent test, but the last time we did a 173 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:54,720 test and it was a noticeable amount. And I called a guy today in Arkansas and he 174 00:20:52,400 --> 00:21:00,640 says for him it's a huge savings of fuel efficiency. He's had both. I haven't had 175 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:04,880 I haven't had the club car. So, uh I have drove them before, but I have never 176 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:09,039 had one that we that we managed a fleet of. So, 177 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,520 » club cars are also aluminum framed, right? 178 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,320 » Yeah, club cars are aluminum framed. They're a little bit lighter. He can 179 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:20,720 tell you more about the club car than I can, but uh you know, 180 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:25,760 far as I know, the benefit, you know, we trade our cars off every five years or 181 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:29,840 so anyway. So, we've never had a frame issue where it was easy to go or Yamaha. 182 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:34,240 You know, we don't keep them long enough. Now, if you as a homeowner, you 183 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:38,720 want to keep one for 20 years, I think it's probably a huge benefit to have 184 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,120 aluminum frame, especially if you have batteries with [cough] 185 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,520 and [clears throat] everything. But now they even have the uh the other 186 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,480 batteries so you don't have to deal with the acid problems. 187 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,919 » Who which one has the higher resale value? 188 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:58,799 » Well, if again you're not comparing apples to apples, but the the the Yamaha 189 00:21:56,159 --> 00:22:03,520 Quiet Tech from when it's really hard to go online 190 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:10,080 and find, hey, compare this apple to that apple. And but I talked to a guy 191 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:15,200 today. says Yamaha's about $1,000 more if it's a quiet tech. I don't know. It's 192 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:19,120 really hard to It's hard to say. >> Well, I watched the park board meeting 193 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:22,880 and I thought there was disc I could I'm pretty positive there was some 194 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:26,400 discussion that that uh it was ma mentioned I thought by you but maybe one 195 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:30,720 of the park board members that the club car had a higher resale value. 196 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:33,120 » I haven't seen that myself. >> I believe the mayor spoke about that 197 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,240 meetings. >> You do a if you do a Google search and 198 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:40,159 you put in the two models. >> All right. Jim and I will tell you that. 199 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,559 » And was the park board how many how many members was president of the park board 200 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,200 meeting? >> I think just four 201 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,520 » and not the whole group, >> right? 202 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,880 » Why did they not want to put this off until the majority or everybody was 203 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,039 there? >> We're running out of time. I've got a 204 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:59,039 lot of events coming up and you know that's that's a big thing. We started 205 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:05,039 this back in I think June. >> Was it was it unanimous? 206 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:08,799 » Uh no. I think uh we had one no vote and three yeses. Mhm. 207 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:14,559 » Okay. >> Mr. Bowman, my observation this whole 208 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:19,039 thing is for $70,000 you can give everybody a set of earplugs 209 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,520 » and a lot of cash. >> Yeah. [laughter] 210 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,240 Yeah. >> That's 211 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:28,720 » I think it's foolish to waste $70,000 just because of brand name. 212 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,039 » Well, it's noise. I mean, how bad is noise on a golf course you're out in the 213 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,679 country, >> right? 214 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:40,000 » You're really worried about noise, you got electric ones anyway. 215 00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:46,559 Yeah, the uh and it's not $70,000. You have to take in the the 25% fuel 216 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:51,840 savings, which is my calculations over the five years would be about 28 to 217 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:56,960 $30,000 of fuel savings. >> Well, I think if I read right, 80% of 218 00:23:53,919 --> 00:24:01,440 the golf carts in Oklahoma are electric. >> Yeah. So, if you want to save money and 219 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:04,720 be quiet, let's get electric and forget gasoline ones. But right now, we're 220 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,360 talking about gasoline ones. And I think we need to have the cheaper one, not the 221 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,000 more expensive one. That'd be kind of foolish. 222 00:24:08,876 --> 00:24:15,360 [snorts] >> And it, like I said, it doesn't really 223 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:20,720 matter to me if that's the direction y'all want to go. I mean, I perfectly 224 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:25,520 understand. And, you know, it's we we've had a good deal going. We made good 225 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:28,880 money out there. Uh, we've had good response from our customers with what 226 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:34,080 we've been doing with the carts and stuff. So, but we want to change. 227 00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:38,400 I'm all good with it. Well, let me ask this. Because of the [clears throat] the 228 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:44,320 large price difference, what further projects 229 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,080 could be could an extra 70 or so grand give or take? 230 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:49,760 » Yeah, I told [clears throat] the park board, yeah, we could buy the GPS system 231 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:54,159 for that, you know. >> Well, any other improvements, repairs, 232 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,440 upgrades, the any anything on the golf course. How much what could be I know 233 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:03,600 we've done a lot out there. >> Yeah, we have a a whole list of capital 234 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:05,679 improvements and a priority list. So, uh, 235 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,600 » it's kind of a perpetual thing. It's >> Yeah. Yeah. 236 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,039 » There's always going to be >> Yeah. 237 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:16,240 » So, you just mentioned GPS. Uh, are they are you going to purchase GPS event? 238 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:19,120 » Yeah, we we'd like to purchase GPS uh after we figure out which carts we go 239 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,760 with. >> What would that game for a golfer? You 240 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:29,760 know, we get a lot of out of town people, so the GPS provides them a map 241 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:34,559 of where they're going, and it shows them the yardages on the hole. Uh, you 242 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:39,200 know, wherever you're at, it gives them the distances to the flag. Uh, 243 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:43,120 » I'm I'm going to show my ignorance here, which is really not that hard to do, but 244 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:45,679 I'm going to show it anyway. Uh, can you get an app on your phone to do the same 245 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:52,080 thing? >> Yeah, on the GPS you can. Okay. The 246 00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:58,960 » biggest thing it does for us on the at in the golf pro shop to to regulate the 247 00:25:55,279 --> 00:26:03,520 carts is one when it's cart pass only. We we set up a geo fencing and you can 248 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:06,480 keep the carts on the path. So even though you tell people it's car pass 249 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,960 only and they get off and they get through the mud and they create problem 250 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,799 areas. >> Okay. 251 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:17,200 » So uh there there's a lot of control. It gives us more control knowing where the 252 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:23,600 carts at. You know, sometimes golfers will hop from hole 13 back to four or 253 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,880 something, you know, that they hop around. There's a there's a little bit 254 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:35,039 of control there. Uh most all the area golf courses are have went to GPS 255 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:38,880 systems. I know Claremore does, Wasau does. It it's it's really a a good 256 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,320 feature. >> It does a lot more than just 257 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:48,240 » Iso and Claremore a municipal owned golf course or private? Uh both of them are 258 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:53,279 municipal own. Well, Claremore is like half county and half 259 00:26:51,600 --> 00:27:00,159 city and then AASO is uh municipal. 260 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,200 » We don't have GPS's now, right? >> No, that's something we haven't added. 261 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,728 That would be another >> around lost all the time on the golf 262 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,748 course running over each other. [laughter] 263 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:13,600 » Is that something you charge extra? >> Running over each It's something that we 264 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,480 could raise our prices for because it's a it's a nicer amenity 265 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,279 » to pay for the >> right. 266 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,080 » Okay. >> I'll speak on behalf of the GPS's. It it 267 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:27,840 does help keep pace of play on track. >> Um which is a huge problem. Yeah. And 268 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,559 » I get it. Golf's a luxury, but when you're going out there, you don't want 269 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,880 to spend five and a half, six hours playing around of golf. And being able 270 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:37,840 to follow the people around, it it does help keep them on track for that. And it 271 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,440 does keep them out of areas that you don't want them to go in because it will 272 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:44,720 the cart will die. You have to put it in reverse. It's it's an inconvenience. You 273 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:47,520 you learn to start playing where you're supposed to play or driving where you're 274 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:49,200 supposed to drive. You may not play where you're supposed to, but drive 275 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,640 where you're supposed to drive. >> It gives the pro shop total control of 276 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,640 the carts. It'll send messages if somebody's playing too slow or if they 277 00:27:54,799 --> 00:28:03,360 break down, they can send messages to the shop. You know, it's a lot of lot of 278 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:07,679 good communication. So, I guess my question then is, is that something if 279 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:14,399 you go with the Yamahas, is the GPS going to have to wait then or if you get 280 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:18,080 the um other car, would you be able to go and get it and then I mean I guess 281 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,200 it's Would you be able to get this either way? 282 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,399 » I I think so. That's from That's the way the park board was talking that they 283 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,640 would probably want to do it either way. >> Either way. 284 00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:34,000 » I Googled the decibels. It's [clears throat] 60 and a half on the 285 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:41,720 quiet tech for the Yamaha and it said around 90 for the club car. 286 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:41,720 » What was that first one? 287 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,120 » Mhm. >> That's what it said. I don't 288 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,120 » know. 289 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,760 » See, we didn't get those though. 290 00:28:54,080 --> 00:29:00,080 » On the club car. >> Okay. So they're comparable. 291 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:04,279 » As far as the fuel consumption goes, they both get 45 miles. 292 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:10,159 » So there's not a 25% advantage. >> And at the meeting, Dennis, you said, 293 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,240 and you said it again a while ago, that you really doesn't really matter to you. 294 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,840 » It does not matter. >> As long as you get some new golf carts. 295 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:19,520 » Yes, sir. Yes. I, you know, I'm going to have new golf carts and we get 60 of 296 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,679 them, we're going to be >> Who had the motion? 297 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,000 » I did. Do you want to >> I'll change my motion and go with the uh 298 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:31,195 with the club cars >> and I'll change the second. 299 00:29:29,175 --> 00:29:31,195 [snorts] 300 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:38,120 » What's the estimated delivery? >> Oh, you're you're 301 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:49,760 » very good. [snorts] 302 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:54,080 » So that's 60 and three, right? I'm sorry. 303 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,440 » 60 and three 60 carts and three utility carts. 304 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:59,120 » Yes, sir. >> Okay. 305 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:04,559 » And I have one question. We said we're not bidden apples to apples or we or 306 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,360 have we're comparing apples to oranges. Typically, when we send something out 307 00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:10,559 for bid, it should be apples to apples. So, what got what is different in these 308 00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:16,335 two to say that they're not comparable? I guess 309 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,840 » what's different is [clears throat] 310 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:24,480 Yamaha bid their higherend cart which is a quiet tech. They have a a lesser cart 311 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:29,200 that they could have bid that's doesn't have the quiet technology on it and is 312 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:33,440 louder and so >> so basically what you're saying it's 313 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,520 like bidding a Ford versus a Lincoln >> probably like 314 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,440 » Yeah. >> They all got [clears throat] the same 315 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,880 back. >> Okay. 316 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:43,919 » Yeah. But the the main difference we're talking about is noise level. Is that in 317 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:46,240 in the difference in the carts? >> I think so. 318 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,440 » Yeah. >> Okay. 319 00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:53,520 For me, that's a hard sale to the citizens for even though it's capital 320 00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:57,520 money from your all's account, like it's hard to say that that 75,000 is better 321 00:30:55,679 --> 00:31:00,876 spent um [snorts] 322 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,399 on here. [laughter] 323 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,240 » Hey, I got a new I got enough frier stickers. We can label them up. 324 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,640 » You can do that. >> Yeah. [snorts] 325 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,880 » Got to get them marked. So, we have a motion change and a 326 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,919 second. >> Yes. 327 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,240 » Yep. >> Call for the vote. We'll call for the 328 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,240 vote. Yep. >> Shire. 329 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:21,039 » Yes. >> Yes. 330 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,919 » Yes. >> Tyler, 331 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,480 » yes. >> Traml, 332 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,480 » yes. >> Steve, 333 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,679 » yes. >> Smith, 334 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,840 » yes. >> Lamar, 335 00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:37,600 » yes. >> Okay. 60 golf carts. Some golf carts. 336 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:41,760 » Awesome. Thank you. Item B, 337 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:46,320 discussion and possible action to accept a lease purchase quote for 60 new golf 338 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:52,080 carts and three utility carts for a 48-month term. Quotes received Bank of 339 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:56,480 Commerce at a rate of 3.98% and RCB at a rate of 4.48%. 340 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:59,039 Do >> you have a motion? 341 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,480 » I'll make it. I >> have a motion from Troy and a second 342 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:07,200 from Charles. Discussion. 343 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:14,080 » Yes, I have a question. Yes, [snorts] >> these interest rates and the number of 344 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:19,840 the institutions that bid is completely different than what was approved at a 345 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:25,360 part board meeting a couple of months ago. What what's why the change in why 346 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:28,240 is bank left off and why have they changed? Because one is now the lower 347 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,320 bidder, >> right, 348 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:34,159 » that wasn't before. So we had to go back out for different rates because those 349 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,600 numbers had changed from the last time with the duration 350 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,720 » and their bids had expired. >> Okay, I understand that and I know 351 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,840 fluctuation but I just for clarification, 352 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:44,000 » right? >> It was different than what the part 353 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,440 board had >> think I can't remember which ones it 354 00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:50,159 was. So one of them had 30 days, one had 60 days but they it was already past all 355 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,519 that time >> and they were only like a couple 356 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,480 hundreds of percent off of each other too. So right 357 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:02,399 » that's a thank you. Further discussion. 358 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:06,720 » Right. Call for the vote. >> Yes. Shears. 359 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,399 » Yes. >> Tyler. 360 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:14,080 » What is the motion? What are we approving 361 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:17,039 » as written? Which which one? >> The Bank of Commerce. 362 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:20,039 » Okay. Thank you. That's what I was. >> Yes. 363 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,240 » Traml. >> Yes. 364 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,720 » Steve. >> Abstain. 365 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:27,440 » Smith. >> Yes. Lamar, 366 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,320 » yes. >> Shopire, 367 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:37,360 » yes. Thank you. Is Jared out there in the 368 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:42,640 hallway? Okay. Item C, discussion and possible action to terminate a contract 369 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:47,760 with time clocks plus also known as TCP. Term ending March 31st, 2026. Written 370 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,360 notice required by contract 30 days prior to renewal. 371 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:55,919 » Can before we make a motion, can I just ask clarification? Why are we waiting on 372 00:33:53,919 --> 00:34:00,080 mob representatives to discuss something that they only build for? 373 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,360 » Because [snorts] they asked to be a part of that and we're waiting on them to 374 00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:06,080 wrap up their meeting. >> So 375 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:10,159 they just >> But why? 376 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:13,159 » Because they asked to be a part of the discussion. 377 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:20,639 » Do I have a motion for item C? >> Motion. 378 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:25,919 » Have a motion from Steve Brown. Second. Second [snorts] from Kenneth Brashier. 379 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:29,679 I'm going to hand this one over to Hannah to explain. She's done a lot of 380 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,520 work on this. >> Well, we're pretty excited that it's 381 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,000 another >> Excuse me. 382 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:42,159 » Thank you. >> It's another uh piece to the puzzle for 383 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:47,919 our payroll. Currently, we have TCP and we have to do 384 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:56,240 a lot of stuff to try to get the time over into payloity. 385 00:34:50,159 --> 00:35:02,000 Um this module will give us let me let me go [clears throat] back. 386 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:07,200 Our uh contract is just about to renew March 31st. We've got to tell them 387 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:13,920 within 30 days if we're not going to go with them or or we've 388 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:18,800 messed up. So in doing so we had already been talking with Ploity and so the 389 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:26,880 timing works out. pays time and labor module. It works seamlessly from there 390 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:30,160 to our payroll. I visited with um all of the department heads and I talked to 391 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:35,760 them about what it would cost to do time clocks with Payloity and then the other 392 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:42,800 options of how to clock in. So, you use their software. You clock in with a 393 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:50,800 tablet, a laptop or your phone app. It's geoenced. So, the police love that they 394 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:54,000 can geo fence it and get going. Even the golf course uses that type of stuff. I 395 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,480 went through and talked to all of them and they were all on board because it 396 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:02,400 does actually save their departments cash and that's what I was worried about 397 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:08,720 was causing them to have any more troubles with their cash flow. Um, 398 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:14,880 secondly, it will make payroll uh just work better and it's all going 399 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:19,119 to go across. So if you guys decide so it's going to save 400 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:26,720 us some time and it's going to save money because TCP is about 15,000 401 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:30,560 annually and this is going to run just under 10 402 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:33,920 » and it will integrate with the pay lossy stuff we already have. 403 00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:36,640 » Yeah adjustments >> the time adjustment. 404 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:40,960 » So when an employee misses or when they didn't clock in or out on time, 405 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,640 » it'll still be a lot like what we're doing now. We have a system that we make 406 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,560 sure they're taken care of. >> Is it 407 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,599 » and the department heads make sure and watch it. 408 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:53,839 » Is it going to require a bunch of training for the employees to 409 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:58,640 » It'll be a little bit, but it's a lot like what TCP is, so it won't be too 410 00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:03,680 tough on them. We've already told them that we'd go to the departments and give 411 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:09,680 them runthroughs and get together >> and it will fit with um 412 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,480 PD's pretty standard schedule now, but if they had a 12-hour schedule or like 413 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:17,200 the fire department's 24-hour schedule, it'll it'll go in with all of that. 414 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:22,079 » Yes, we're going to put it after the uh collective bargaining agreements are 415 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:27,200 complete. We upload those agreements and then the time is set off of those 416 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:33,920 agreements. So that's why we'd like you guys to be really set on what you decide 417 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,839 on so it's not so unique. >> Okay. 418 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,200 » So this is going to be better and cheaper, right? 419 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,079 » Yeah. >> That's what we're after. That's not like 420 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,160 a winner. >> We did bring it up in our department 421 00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:48,480 head meeting this week and I'm >> I'm going to tell you every department 422 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:54,241 head was 100% behind it except for Carrie, but her her representation was 423 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,241 here and [laughter] 424 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,400 just for clarification sake. But I think it'll be a better system to integrate 425 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,200 with what we've what we've invested in over the last year. And so 426 00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:07,996 » no earplugs required. >> Carrie, why did you boycott that 427 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,996 particular meter? [laughter] 428 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,960 » You're good. >> Zoom. 429 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,680 » So all right. Is there any further discussion on that? If not, we'll call 430 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,920 for the vote. >> Bruce, 431 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,359 » yes. >> Tyler, 432 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,599 » yes. >> Chaml, 433 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,880 » yes. Steve, >> yes. 434 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,160 » Smith, >> yes. 435 00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:27,440 » Lamar, >> yes. 436 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,640 » Shopire, >> yes. 437 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,160 » Bradshaw, >> yes. 438 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:36,800 » Thank you. >> Discussion and possible action to hire 439 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,520 Jackson Palma Branchstead. >> What about D? 440 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,960 » Oh, I'm sorry. I circled D and I went right on past it. I apologize. All 441 00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:47,839 right. Discussion of possible action to purchase time and labor software from 442 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:54,000 Payloity not to exceed 10,000 to be paid from general software account 022015260 443 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:57,599 to replace time clocks plus TCP. >> Motion. 444 00:38:55,359 --> 00:39:02,640 » We have a motion from uh Kenneth and a second from Steve 445 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:06,480 Brown. Discussion. This is the software that goes with uh 446 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,520 the previous item. When I know that our contract on the last one ends March 31, 447 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:15,599 but when do are we looking at implementing this? 448 00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:18,240 » I I have a call with payity if you guys approved it tomorrow to get started. 449 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,320 » Okay. >> So, it's probably going to be pretty 450 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:24,560 quick. >> Okay. 451 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,599 » Let me go ahead and call for the vote. >> Brashers, 452 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:29,119 » yes. >> Tyler, 453 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,240 » yes. >> Traml, 454 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,520 » yes. >> Steve, 455 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,720 » yes. >> Smith, 456 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,800 » yes. >> Lamar, 457 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,160 » yes. Shopire, >> yes. 458 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,839 » Bradshaw, >> yes. 459 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:44,240 » Okay. Sorry about that, guys. All right. Now, item E, discussion and possible 460 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:48,160 action to hire Jackson Palma Branchstead as B operator at the street department 461 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,880 range C step one to fill a vacancy created by the termination of Justin 462 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,160 Wallace. >> Motion. 463 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:58,240 » Second. >> We have a motion from Joya and a second 464 00:39:53,839 --> 00:40:01,920 from Bradshaw. Discussion. >> Okay, we'll call for the vote. 465 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,920 » Tyler, >> yes. Traml, 466 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,200 » yes. >> Steve, 467 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,320 » yes. >> Smith, 468 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:07,680 » yes. >> Lamar, 469 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,960 » yes. >> Shire, 470 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,160 » yep. >> Bradshaw, 471 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,920 » yes. >> Rashers, 472 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,640 » yes. >> Okay. Um, we're going to go back up to 473 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:21,520 item E and proceed of the consent agenda. Discussion and 474 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:26,079 possible action on approval of a 3% rate increase from prior waste and recycling 475 00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:31,760 LLC for all refues pickup beginning March 1st, 2026, consistent with the 476 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,240 mutual agreement of October 2007. Motion to discuss but no action. 477 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,680 » Second. >> I have a motion to discuss with no 478 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,920 action. Bruce, are you >> second 479 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,920 » as he said it? >> Okay. 480 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:51,599 » I have uh invited Dinsmore with Western Recycling and 481 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:55,800 former mayor Traml to come up and give us some background on this contract. 482 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:08,400 You guys will come on up here. Um I'm sure there'll be some questions. 483 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:14,280 » Um just give us the background on how this contract came, what it is, and why 484 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,280 it is the way it is. Please, 485 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,568 » you want to start? I'm longwinded. [laughter] 486 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:29,599 » Well, I don't really know where to begin. Um, 487 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:33,599 you know, we've kind of, uh, 488 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:40,480 you know, there's rising cost in everything we do. I mean, 489 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:46,000 last year we didn't ask for raise and then in June we got bit with a 10% 490 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:51,040 increase in disposal and usually every summer we're going to 491 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:57,280 get hit sometime with an increase. There's only three locations to go with 492 00:41:53,520 --> 00:42:03,839 trash and we uh we use semi trucks to truck it. Uh we do that for several 493 00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:09,520 reasons. We try to operate it's our tent to operate as efficient as we possibly 494 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:16,760 can and that take and one of the reasons why [snorts] whenever I got involved 495 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,760 thanks to this guy. 496 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:24,400 I had been with international trucks for over 30 years and then I went to 497 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:30,720 Freightlininer become a vocational marketing major for Oklahoma. My forte 498 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:37,200 was work trucks. Jardia, whether it's Gardier, the city of Prior, the city of 499 00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:44,319 Tulsa, so forth, so on, every it was work trucks. And so the refuge industry 500 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:52,000 had changed to the point that it wasn't so much about the pickup, it was about 501 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:57,839 the transport. And why? What my when I sit down, I figure how much it costs to 502 00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:02,480 transport a ton of trash a mile. Unfortunately, 503 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:09,119 where we have we used to go to the burn plant and uh that was our source of 504 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:15,760 recycling and we did it for many years and they took and burned the trash to 505 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:21,920 generate steam and create electricity. the burn plant become old, had a lot of 506 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:26,480 issues, boilers and so [clears throat] and so on. They really catered to the 507 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:35,680 city of Tulsa and they just kind of slowly pushed us out. Uh we go now to 508 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:41,920 171st Street West and we dispose there. That is one of the best locations in 509 00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:50,319 Oklahoma. Uh they pull methane gas out uh run generators, power about 80 80,000 510 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:55,359 homes. Uh they're environmentally as far as DEQ's concerned, they love them 511 00:43:52,960 --> 00:44:01,920 because they have a great landfield. One of the things that that I have 512 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:07,520 uh being on the council myself and chairing the sanitation department and 513 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:11,920 also the street department and whatever else Lucy get me on. 514 00:44:10,815 --> 00:44:22,880 [clears throat] One of the things that we made sure of is that the city per EPA 515 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:28,960 and DEEQ is responsible for the trash from Cradle Gray. Not one year, not 10 516 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:34,640 years, not a 100 years, forever. So if there's an environmental issue, they can 517 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:41,520 come back on city of Prior. It's my responsibility to make sure that that's 518 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:47,680 legal. If you ask me where city of prior trash went, 519 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:51,200 let's say June the 20th, 2011. 520 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:59,280 I can pull documents and show you where that trash went. So, we make sure that 521 00:44:53,680 --> 00:45:04,319 we uh are very efficient and we make sure that we dispose legally and 522 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:09,040 properly. Another thing is the transfer station. And I want to tell you guys 523 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:13,599 something. I bit off a there was many times I bit off more than I could chew. 524 00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:18,560 That man right there knows how difficult trash business can be. And there was 525 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:22,960 days that we we started that transfer station. 526 00:45:20,246 --> 00:45:27,920 [clears throat] I'm about I'm I'm dry. I'm I'm chewing too much gum. [laughter] 527 00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:33,040 When I took when I started the trash business, 528 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:40,000 there was a a lot of issues with uh having trash picked up. Uh, I 529 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:45,760 tried to help for two years. The transfer station was not completed and 530 00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:50,160 we to when we took over, I had to buy new equipment. 531 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:52,800 And what happened and I'm I'm going to go ahead and use a little be your 532 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,880 thunder. >> I could care less. 533 00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:02,240 » What what happened was when this gentleman kept calling me and he said, 534 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:08,000 "We are getting bombarded with complaints." Bombarded. I've got letters 535 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:13,040 from Terry Hill, which everybody knows Terry. She wrote a letter and she said, 536 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:19,520 "We were just the the utility office was just spent tremendous amount of time 537 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:23,920 with all these complaints." And Jimmy kept after me. He wanted me to retire 538 00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:27,520 and wanted to start a sanitation department. And I said, "Jimmy, you 539 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:32,079 can't do that." I said, "Transporting trash and running trucks and hiring 540 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:38,240 drivers and so forth and so on." I said that's not the city's expertise. 541 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,040 So, do I have five minutes? >> No, you're good. 542 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,800 » Okay. [laughter] >> I was hoping you were hoping. 543 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:52,240 » Yeah. But anyway, so what happened was was 544 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:56,240 that I went to Ken Prather, the CPA at the time, and prior been here for years, 545 00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:02,880 and I asked Ken to sit down and work with me with the budget. And we sat down 546 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:10,480 and it whenever Bruce whenever Prior decide to contract out the rate was $757 547 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:14,119 for twice a week pickup. Whenever I took over it was $10.50. 548 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:22,560 Jimmy had done some research, found a large company that was willing 549 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:28,240 to come in here in all the trash for $16 a house. He called me. He said, 550 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:34,800 "Dinsmore, I raise these people from $1050 to $16, 551 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:39,760 they'll hang me." And one thing led to another. And I said, "Jimmy, I don't 552 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:45,920 have the financing capability of buying all new trucks." 553 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:54,960 First priority, Gary Shaml, and along with Terry and and Andy Richards, we put 554 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:58,960 together a a way of being able to borrow the money 555 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:03,680 Uh matter of fact, I paid off that loan three years ago. That transfer station 556 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:09,119 was expensive. And let me tell you about the transfer station. 557 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:16,800 Lucy Bell Schultz is one of one of the transfer station. And she w they had the 558 00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:22,480 dog pound road area and it was receiving tremendous amount of complaints from DEQ 559 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:28,559 to DEQ. [snorts] We shut we shut that down and Jim Hines 560 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:34,720 built that transfer station. We had he had other areas that he was 561 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:39,440 trying to locate in. But the problem is whenever you put in a landfill or 562 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:45,119 transfer station, you have to hold up a public hearing. 563 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:50,319 And every time he found a location, people didn't want it in their backyard. 564 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:54,319 And so what happened was the old landfield 565 00:48:51,839 --> 00:49:00,400 was the only place that was did not have a house within that mile. So whenever 566 00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:06,319 the the notice went out and we had a public hearing, nobody attended because 567 00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:12,640 nobody qualified to be within that area. The uh 568 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:16,319 landfill is a difficult place to build on and 569 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:21,520 there's only two things you can do with the landfill. You can graze cattle on it 570 00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:25,920 or you can build a transfer station. You can't build a business. You can't even 571 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:33,040 bail the hay. And so what happened is we bu he built on the transfer station, but 572 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:39,040 that thing is constantly sinking, settling, and so he had to drive H beams 573 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:46,319 all the way down to the bedrock. And that transfer station is suspended, 574 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:51,440 tremendously expensive. And we are we maintained that whole area and we 575 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,880 cleaned it up, pulled all the the thorn trees out. 576 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:59,359 » Yes. And this and Randy Drake sprayed this for the sickle I mean thistle 577 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:04,079 because thistle you've got to control it. It's a requirement by the 578 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:10,240 agriculture department and we cleaned it up and we still are filling in holes for 579 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:15,440 where we can mow it. uh a lot of concrete, pipe and everything. And so 580 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:22,480 the landfill has been a nightmare to manage, but we do it. And basically what 581 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:28,400 we have had an agreement with uh for a long time. The activity the the things 582 00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:32,640 that the city sponsors and has we charge nothing for. If the cemetery comes out 583 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:38,319 with a load of flowers and needs to throw them away, there's no charge. We 584 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:44,480 pick up the trash on Main Street on Saturday mornings at four o'clock. We 585 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:49,760 And uh Zach has called me several times. We 586 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:55,680 we we bring Lur loss for Main Street prior. Uh we've done a lot to help in a 587 00:50:53,920 --> 00:51:00,559 lot of ways, but when it comes to city operation, even m we don't charge 588 00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:08,880 anything for that. But anyway, I could go on. Uh it's it's been a it's been a 589 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:14,880 challenge and uh the 3% uh you know through the years uh it' be eight it'll 590 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:20,640 be 18 years come April the 8th of this year and uh we've climbed a lot of 591 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:27,839 mountains and we have a we feel like we have great service. Uh what we did was 592 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:35,440 that uh my office manager today ran a cost analysis of our surrounding towns 593 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:39,920 that have a close population and kind of shows you what 594 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:45,640 and I'll I'll turn this a little bit more in detail. 595 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,640 » Thank you. 596 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,800 » Thank you sir. Thanks. 597 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,400 » Thank you. 598 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,839 » We've been through this before, >> haven't we? 599 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:19,240 » Yeah. Thank you very much. >> Yes, we have. 600 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,040 I'm sorry. >> That's okay. 601 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:32,319 » Thank you. >> What that what that explains 602 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:39,756 prior is extremely unique. Twice a week pick up is almost totally 603 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:44,960 unheard of. Per contract [snorts] explains exactly how many 604 00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:50,559 gallons can be set out. And they're allowed what it boils down 605 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:59,520 to. They allow four 32gallon containers and they can include two bags of leaves, 606 00:52:55,839 --> 00:53:04,480 vegetation, flowers, clean out a garden to painted plants or whatever. And then 607 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:11,760 you also can have a bundle of sticks that's 4 foot long and tight. And that's 608 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:16,720 what we that's per contract since 1989. That's what we pick up. Now, to say 609 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:24,960 we're perfect, no. You know, we we don't do everything uh 610 00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:32,160 perfectly. But that's that that shows you what the the trash 611 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:40,839 that is available with what people can set out within the city limits. That's 612 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:40,839 what the cost is per gallon. 613 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,760 And uh >> well I can tell you one thing at 614 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:51,119 Christmas time when we had family in and stuff like that and we had a whole bunch 615 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,200 more than what here. >> Mhm. 616 00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:56,640 » There never was a word said. You just picked it up and that was it. 617 00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,800 » Yeah. There you >> open it for you. You want me open it for 618 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,440 you? >> What's that? 619 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,907 » Oh, thank you. >> I looked at that. I thought maybe you 620 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:06,927 drank out of it and I didn't want to [laughter] 621 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,520 » for clarification. I well I'm still giving history take over from here. 622 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:22,000 » Okay. >> I just pretty much wanted to 623 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:29,040 you know I I I'll start that once this thing started and I council was here. 624 00:54:25,212 --> 00:54:33,920 [snorts] We were at Jim Hind sanitation. He had trucks was dumping trash out on 625 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:37,359 Dog Pound Road out there. That spot out there by there's a cemetery out there 626 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:41,920 cemetery out there. Mhm. >> We'll all remember that he was dumping 627 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:46,160 trash on the ground, >> not hauling it off, 628 00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:50,640 » okay? It was a bad deal. His trucks wouldn't run. He couldn't get them 629 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:54,960 running. And so we started looking because the complaints were just 630 00:54:51,920 --> 00:55:00,640 unbelievable. We started looking and about places to go. DEEQ was on our 631 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,839 tail. Oklahoma Water Resources were on our tail. That was a floodway, which 632 00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:07,680 they're putting water floodway out there. Okay. So, and So that's one 633 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:12,800 that's one of the things we started looking at. So we performed we we got a 634 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:18,079 group of guys one of them Roy Ray to go out and look at different proposals. I 635 00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:21,599 wanted to bring it in house. I wanted to bring it in house. I said 636 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:25,359 let's bring it in house. So we brought Bill sold trucks. So we got price of 637 00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:28,880 trucks. We went to and I think it was Clammore at that time and so we want to 638 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,960 see what it cost. Clammore said don't. Clamore said do not do in-house because 639 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:36,800 it'll cost you a fortune and maintenance. The other thing was I 640 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,920 wasn't aware of later on. You have greenhouse gases and I can't put that 641 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:43,839 with terminology. >> Yes. 642 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:47,680 » Going to and from so that was one of the things that we did when we did we looked 643 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:54,480 at this thing. We took a overall look at it and we got when $16 like Bill said I 644 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,599 think 16 or 17 I could be wrong was the price back and I want to say I thought 645 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:04,400 it was about 20 I don't when what year was 20 some was a price that we got we 646 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:10,720 got estimated 2007 or we got estimated for pick up trash in town and so we 647 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:17,119 started looking at this thing and so at that point in time we had the uh we had 648 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:20,960 the the like you said Lucy Bill was had looked at Jim Hines and so Jim Hines 649 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:25,200 said I can build a I can build a transfer station. Well, he started the 650 00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:30,160 transfer station out there. When he started the transfer station out there, 651 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:33,440 Jim Jim was a good guy. He had no money. When he built the transfer station, I 652 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:37,839 and I'm not smart enough to know this, but but he built a building and then 653 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:41,440 when you squeeze that thing, squeeze the water out of it. Well, and so when you 654 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:45,280 squeeze the water out of it, the water was going under the ground. Well, we got 655 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:50,799 in trouble. Okay, we got in trouble back then because we had no place for that 656 00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:54,880 water to go because we wanted to. I wanted to and so did Bill. We wanted to 657 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:58,000 put it in our sewage treatment facility. Well, you know what that causes? Gary 658 00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:02,799 was smart enough to know that's going to cause influx in your sewage treatment 659 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:07,520 facility. So, we we stepped back a little bit. So, we went back and started 660 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:11,920 looking at this thing over. So, it and when we did that thing, I went to Bill. 661 00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:15,920 We sit right there said Bill but let's see what it takes to get this thing 662 00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:20,000 right because we wanted to do it have one shot to do it right and one shot on. 663 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:25,359 And so when we did Bill we Bill we started 664 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,599 looking at Bill said I can he went to like you said he went to the bank. Bill 665 00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:34,720 Bill said I can build a transfer station. I can squeeze it. And at that 666 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:39,200 point in time he started squeezing. We started taking the stuff over to a a 667 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:42,799 trash energy plant over in Tulsa before they had to shut down stuff and that was 668 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,440 that was our recycling portion of recycle bank. But that since closed or 669 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:53,040 got too high. So that was what we did. But we also Bill had so we got Bill had 670 00:57:49,920 --> 00:58:00,319 when I prior waste and recycling. They also had to take the separate the sewage 671 00:57:55,470 --> 00:58:05,040 [snorts] the bathrooms and the water out go to the sewer over there and put this 672 00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:07,760 other stuff in a tank out there to draw the water out of it. So it before you 673 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,040 put it in the creek. So it had to be clean. So that was part of the bid 674 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,720 process out there with this transfer station. The other thing about the 675 00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:18,640 transfer station out there was was the thing out holes were sunk and all kinds. 676 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:23,040 If you never was out there when you was a kid, I can remember going out there 677 00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:26,960 when I was a kid running around. And so that's what we So when we looked at this 678 00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:31,440 thing, looked at this thing as really as a whole, we looked at it and said, "Hey, 679 00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:37,119 what are we going to have to do to help him?" Because he couldn't go get he 680 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:40,400 couldn't go get the money from the bank to borrow that was going to take to fix 681 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:44,319 this thing. Okay. Okay. So, we had So, what we did back then, we get we we got 682 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,920 together and said, "Let's do a contract." Roy Ray was part of this 683 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,520 contract. If you don't remember Roy Ray, okay, Roy Ray was part of this contract. 684 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:57,280 And I my memory serves me correct. Bill doesn't know some of this stuff. Was 685 00:58:52,960 --> 00:59:01,720 that we had a uh had we we had uh a three-year we had three-ear contrial 686 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:13,200 for 15 years. Okay. It's what we had with this escalation clause in it for 687 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:18,160 the simple reason that was the only way and the city had to allow bill or 688 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,079 privation recycling to fix that was mandatory to fix that transfer station 689 00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:26,640 up. So that was the only way he could go borrow the money. And I won't say which 690 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:30,160 the the uh accountant down here in town. Everybody knows him. He's there was one 691 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:34,319 of the great accountants in town. And we had another banker in town. And that's 692 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:39,599 what that's how we we partnered with these people to make this thing happen. 693 00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:45,520 And so when we partnered with it, he he bid off he bid it off. So he come to the 694 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:48,400 council one night and uh we we went out we went out for we went out for bid. 695 00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:51,760 Okay? Okay. And I can tell you right now, when we went out, when we went out 696 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:55,920 for bid with this stuff right here, I'll tell you, and I probably shouldn't say 697 00:59:52,880 --> 01:00:02,559 this. I'm sitting right there as mayor and Dennis Nichols was in the back and I 698 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:07,040 was offered a bribe to take contract. I told Chief Nichols, I guarantee you I I 699 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,839 puckered up like you can't believe because I didn't want anybody put any 700 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:14,400 money in my blue pickup because contract was that that what we wanted and what we 701 01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:19,119 decided to do was we wanted to take a chance. We knew that we could recycle 702 01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:22,720 and put it in town. Okay. So, we wanted to take a chance. So, we we took a 703 01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:26,319 chance on prior waste and recycling doing what he said he could do. That Roy 704 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:30,160 Ray said he was a prior boy and I know his dad and and his grandpa, you know, 705 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:33,760 had a plumbing business. They're honest. So, that's why we went with this with 706 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:38,160 system. Now, the other side of this equation is is that about that time once 707 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:43,040 we started all this stuff, we got lucky. I got lucky as mayor. I got lucky. We 708 01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:48,640 had an ice storm. You remember the ice storm? We had the when we had the ice 709 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:54,559 storm back then, we had no place to go with a brush. None. So, we had a guy by 710 01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:56,880 the name of Fenton Rude, I think was his name. Come. Huh? 711 01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:01,599 » That's it. >> He come over here and he he what he did 712 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:06,400 was he said, "I'm going to sanction the brush dump." Well, I said, "Okay, let's 713 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:10,880 sanction the brush dump for the brush." Well, I got the brainy idea. Let's just 714 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:15,520 open it up and let people just brush it, dump it in there free. 715 01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:19,040 And let me tell you what, that was the biggest mistake I ever had because you 716 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:24,079 ever been to those little post holes? They got they got cris in them. They got 717 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:30,559 arsenic in them. Well, Fenton came over here and inspected it one day. And when 718 01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:33,280 he did, he said, "Shut it down." DQ said, "Shut it down." And I said, "What 719 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:37,680 are we going to?" He said, "You got to clean it up. I'm going to pull your 720 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:41,599 permit because we we we that that we're the only one only place in the state of 721 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:46,160 Oklahoma that has a burn pit now like what we've got. And so he pulled he said 722 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:51,280 I'm going to pull the permit and I so I went to Bill and I said I got to have 723 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:54,720 some help. I said somebody's got to manage this brush going in there. 724 01:01:53,237 --> 01:01:58,480 [clears throat] So we went to Bill and can you manage the brush going in there? 725 01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,599 He said I can do more than that. You bring your street crew over there on 726 01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:05,839 Saturday and let's separate this stuff. We were and DEQ come over and oversaw 727 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:10,000 everything that then he took it and hauled it off and that's how that that 728 01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:16,400 facility started back there. Then later on the uh they come up with burn 729 01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:19,359 incinerators. Okay. I didn't qualify the city didn't qualify for a burn 730 01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:25,119 incinerator. Shoto got it. Well Sh burn incinerator 731 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:28,480 flopped because it didn't work. You burn down not burn up. But we're the only 732 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:33,040 facility, the only place in the state that's got a place that you can actually 733 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:37,760 burn brush. That's legal. And he he managed that process. I say all that to 734 01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:41,680 say this, the contract that one of the things that we wanted to do, we looked 735 01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:45,440 at this contract. We wanted to protect the citizens of Prior. That was one of 736 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:50,079 the things that we wanted to do. That's what I thought we did. So we so when the 737 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:53,319 contract come, we we got this contract through 2044. 738 01:02:53,359 --> 01:03:01,440 auto renewal with through 2044 with this escalation clause in there for the 739 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:06,720 simple reason that we knew that this business is very very volatile very 740 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:11,440 competit very competitive and go out there and look at So we got through 2024 741 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:16,720 and we knew that this guy right here we trusted this guy and he get so in order 742 01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:21,039 to keep his business in quarter trucks and uh people hired I I don't know he's 743 01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:24,319 probably got about $2 million payroll out there now what he's probably got 744 01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:29,359 close to it you haven't been out there you need to go out there but my point is 745 01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:32,640 saying and it's auto renewal every five years or three years and we 746 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:37,599 did that for this reason was to protect the citizens of prior I didn't want you 747 01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:42,960 Zach I didn't want you or anybody else to go through what we went through was 748 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:47,839 that trash dump and I mean it was brutal and DEEQ was going to find us there's 749 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:51,440 going to lose all of their NFIP national flood insurance we going to lose all of 750 01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:57,599 that for the citizens of prior you know so that's the reason why this thing is 751 01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:07,599 set up the way it is and I set it up me and I think it was uh Randy Elliot and 752 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:12,000 Ben Shear and Ken Prather and Gary Shaml. I think we all set this 753 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,280 thing up so he could get financing. And that's what we did. Make sure that he 754 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:19,520 was protected on financing is why we did this thing. So if anybody to blame, you 755 01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:24,319 got to blame me. Then later on Zach to blame, but this contract is why we want 756 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:28,400 to make sure that that he's protected. Not only him, and I'm telling you right 757 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:31,839 now, he's getting old just like I am. And I want to make sure that whoever's 758 01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:35,920 and his son's right there and his son they got enough to make sure that we're 759 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:39,760 protected to do trash service. And so the trash service is that way. If you go 760 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:44,400 out there now, they take all that brush in there and it 761 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:47,599 inspects it. It's clean. I don't know if any problems you have. You know, one of 762 01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:52,480 the biggest one of the biggest things that we want to do, we also looked at 763 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:57,680 bidding uh with bidding dumpsters. Okay. And he 764 01:04:55,839 --> 01:05:02,880 when we was going to look at one time go to lighter trucks and bid dumpsters. 765 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:08,960 Well, we took this we took this thing in. The citizens did not want a dumpster 766 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,760 for the simple reason because the dumpster wouldn't hold as much trash. 767 01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:16,400 » Polycart >> as polycart wouldn't hold as much trash. 768 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:20,640 And so we had I won't say his name. So we had a guy outside of town there would 769 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:26,400 bring him in and put him in sever several several of his uh his his rental 770 01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:30,640 houses and then we would you know and he didn't use water. So we passed a deal 771 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:33,280 water on trash service. We had to you had to pay for trash service. Suppose 772 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:38,640 you got water you had to pay for trash service. I say that this has been a this 773 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:42,960 has been a great partnership. Now it's a pain sometimes. It's been a 774 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:46,799 great partnership with the city citiz trash all over the state of Oklahoma is 775 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:51,440 difficult. And if you want to see something nasty, just see go over the 776 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:55,520 trash. If you go over to uh I took some took some stuff over to uh my daughter 777 01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:59,440 lives at Clam. I took some stuff over to the landfill at over by American 778 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:03,760 Airlines here a while back. $40. What took me for my pickup just just to walk 779 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:10,000 in just to drive in the gate. >> I did that too. $45. $40 just just my my 780 01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:16,400 pickup for so my point saying that is yeah this contract is is very lengthy 3% 781 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:20,240 Bill didn't ask for 3% every year he bought he bought playground equipment 782 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:23,440 with some money that he donated we bought playground equipment over at Choy 783 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:27,119 over in that part we bought playground equipment over there so he's been a good 784 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:32,000 partner and his company's been a good partner the other thing that you that 785 01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:37,599 you cannot replace >> is our is our impact that we have with 786 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:41,119 DEEQ Q and and NFIP and the National Flood Insurance Department. You cannot 787 01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:45,440 replace that because that goes a long way because they they see that. I don't 788 01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:48,400 know if it if they only inspected it once or twice, you know, they'll come 789 01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:52,720 out and do us, but we I don't know if we ever had a fall. Now, we had over there 790 01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:59,781 at the old one, we had numerous complaints and so 3% escalation, 791 01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:02,559 you know, cost goes up, you know, [clears throat] 792 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:06,986 I haven't I haven't seen 3% increase in my uh I haven't in my social security 793 01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:11,039 and well since I retired, you know, [snorts] so [clears throat and cough] I 794 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:15,520 can use 3%. But my point is citizens are well taken care of. This guy's taking a 795 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:20,079 well taken care of and the contract I we put the contract out that way for that 796 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:24,240 reason. And I wanted to protect him. I want to protect his investment. I want 797 01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:29,760 to protect the citizens because one thing that like whether you like me or 798 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:34,480 not, I love the city of Prior. >> I love the city of Pride alone. No, 799 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:37,920 without any qualms about it, you know. I love the city of I love what we do and 800 01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:42,079 where we're going, where it's going. I love it. And I don't want to see 801 01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:45,200 anything bad eye or anything else for the city of Prior. I want to see the 802 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:50,960 city of Pride do well. That's my that's my love. So that's one. So I I encourage 803 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:54,799 you, you know, and I'm and I'm open to any question you want to ask me. I'll 804 01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:59,520 answer it or whatever I can. I tried to look at I've got some of the old copies 805 01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:03,119 of old contracts at my house, stuff like it, but I'll [clears throat] answer any 806 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:08,400 question that I can think of to answer. I just think that trash business is a 807 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,640 tough business and a nasty business. >> Too many moving parts. 808 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:15,440 » Too many. You know, >> Jimmy, let me ask you a question. This 809 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:17,359 contract, did it go through the public works authority or go through the city 810 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,759 of Prior? >> Both. What what we did, Bruce, what we 811 01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,600 what we did, we took it to the street committee. Okay. 812 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,880 » All right. >> All right. We took it to the street 813 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,719 committee. Okay. We went to the street committee. And I couldn't tell you. I I 814 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:35,759 couldn't tell you on the top of my head now if it went from the street committee 815 01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:40,080 to council or it went to PPWA. I'm thinking it probably went through PPWA 816 01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:44,319 more than likely because that's the way he could borrow the money. You know, 817 01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:48,400 back with the prior public works, PPWA has when you go to get bonds and stuff, 818 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:52,319 you go to PPWA, not that because it was the building. So, we had to back it. I 819 01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:56,480 think it had to go to through PPWA because the city couldn't city can't 820 01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:59,199 obligate itself belong one year. So, we had to go that way and that and I think 821 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,400 that's what we had to do. I could be wrong about that. I don't remember, but 822 01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:08,400 I think that's what it was. Yeah, that's that's whenever we had the 823 01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:12,960 meeting with Gary Shaml first priority, they were willing to get involved in the 824 01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:18,239 financial part of it and we met downstairs like I said earlier and one 825 01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:26,319 of the thing there's two things that the the bank stipulated number one was that 826 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:31,920 they would finance it for 15 years but they want that's where the three 827 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:38,319 fiveyear term come out and that five years, three renewal terms. The 828 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:44,960 second thing is they won their money first. Terry Hill every month would go 829 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:50,000 down to that bank and deposit that money and bank [snorts] got their payment 830 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:56,960 before anything. So, there was a lot of little moving parts to get it started. 831 01:09:52,719 --> 01:10:01,440 And again, my my uh whole life has been centered around work trucks. I know 832 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:05,840 refuge truck from front to back. I probably I probably have more knowledge 833 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:11,360 about the refuge industry and refuge equipment than anybody in prior and 834 01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:17,120 maybe in Maze County. When I buy a truck, I buy it on five years. I put 835 01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:22,880 every warranty on that I can and the reason why to pull a truck in a ch shop 836 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:28,239 now is $245 an hour to work on truck. So I fall back 837 01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:31,920 on the warranty. excuse >> to take care of the equipment and to 838 01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:36,800 provide good service. When I was on the council, we constantly heard how the 839 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:40,400 trucks were breaking down the middle of the streets, 840 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:44,880 pouring oil out of them. You can follow the trash truck throughout the town. 841 01:10:42,484 --> 01:10:51,440 [snorts] They stunk to high heavens. I mean, it was a it was a joke to the city 842 01:10:48,560 --> 01:11:01,679 of Prior to have that type of refuge operation. And again, I I stepped off 843 01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:06,560 and took a chance. Uh I did not for the first three years, Tim Prather was 844 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:12,560 right. We barely made it. I took every penny out of my retirement, my 401ks to 845 01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:15,520 make payroll. And I'm going to tell you guys, I worked seven days a week, 15 846 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,880 hours a day. >> Can I say something else, too? 847 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:21,520 » And and it was it was a tough tough time. One of the things and I don't want 848 01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:26,560 to mention any names here. I can remember when they started 849 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:31,199 the city of Prior had a contractor, I'm not going to say any names, dumping it 850 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:37,760 illegally. Okay, there's a file in there. The city 851 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:41,199 of Prior is responsible for that site. If anything ever leeches out of that 852 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:45,440 site, City of Prior is responsible that site. It's in there on file right now. 853 01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:48,960 It was I don't know how many years ago and you know the contract they're dead 854 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:53,679 but city of prior for that and that's how come it's so important when you get 855 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:57,679 pick up and I'm not talking about just trash if you have a dumpster a big one 856 01:11:56,159 --> 01:12:01,440 of those big large dumpsters that you picked up at somebody's businesses you 857 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:04,880 got to know where that goes you know we had somebody dumping it at iron post we 858 01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:09,520 had to stop that one time you know taking it to iron post you know so my 859 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:15,600 point saying that is there's a lot of issue a lot of moving parts in this 860 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:21,080 stuff so I again. Contract is 2044. I'm here. I'm going to shut up. You got any 861 01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:21,080 questions for me? Answer me. 862 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,679 » Just to clarify, what do you charge the city? 863 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,800 » I'm sorry. >> What do you charge the city? 864 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,800 » What you What do you charge the city, Bill? 865 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:35,840 » What do you charge the city for for trash pickup? 866 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:38,000 » What I charge the city? >> Because he wants to know what your fees 867 01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:40,000 are. >> The current rates. 868 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:45,440 » Current rates. >> 1675. the the the city like not not 869 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:48,320 general citizens of the city, the city of 870 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:51,199 » Priunal >> municipal. 871 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:56,159 » Well, the the reason I asked that is in the letter it says with the city budget 872 01:12:54,560 --> 01:13:03,040 being tight last year, we made the decision for to forgo the increase. The 873 01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:07,040 city budget's not the concern of prior waste. So, 874 01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:11,920 » and and on top of that, hold on. On top of that, I've had folks from city 875 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:19,920 clerk's office tell me that there are charges to mub or through mub to prior 876 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:24,880 waste on city bills. So, and something >> for the dumpsters there are for some of 877 01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:26,560 the dumpsters. Yes, >> that [clears throat] I can't that I 878 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,080 can't answer. >> Yeah. 879 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:35,120 » Are you talking about rolloffs? >> Let me explain that. There's times when 880 01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:41,840 you guys do a clean up of the house, you tear a house down or whatever. We just 881 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:48,480 furnish dumpsters for clean up, which was to go back. I didn't even charge for 882 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:56,840 the truck, the labor, the any of that. All I charge was for 883 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:56,840 what it cost me to take it and 884 01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:02,159 it legally. Well, that was that would have been a rolloff, right? 885 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,080 » Rolloff. >> So, when you said dumpster, is that what 886 01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:05,440 you meant? >> I'm talking rolloff. 887 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,159 » Okay. >> See, the rolloffs are they're charged up 888 01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:10,800 here at the top. >> Yeah. Well, that Yeah, that I knew. 889 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,040 » Okay. >> But it just made it look like because of 890 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:22,560 city budget with that. >> Well, what what my intention was 891 01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:29,040 I've sat that seat and there was a lot of bad rap on the 892 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:36,640 financial side. situation, the shortfalls and all that. 893 01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:43,760 This this is where I have to calm myself down where that was a very volatile 894 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:48,640 night. The public was upset, bad rap to the city of Prior and I 895 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:53,920 thought the last thing you guys need to do was face a pay pay raise. It was 896 01:14:52,320 --> 01:15:02,880 respect what I did. So, what I sacrificed was 897 01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:07,360 respect for you guys and this town. >> And that's from my heart. 898 01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:13,440 » I'm not just BSing you. >> So, I'm the one that made the motion. 899 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:17,840 So, let me talk for a second. Um, I made the motion tonight for no action. 900 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:21,040 Not because I'm opposed to this. I'm not necessarily opposed to it. I'm not 901 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:25,199 necessarily for it at this point. I don't know what I'm for because we have 902 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:31,040 no information other than what we're being told. There was no information in 903 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:37,199 our packet. The only information that we have been given as a council to make a 904 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:41,440 decision for our community, for our constituents is a Facebook post the 905 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:47,600 mayor made last night to the general public. That's it. So, I I'm not again 906 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:53,920 I'm not opposed to this, but I would like to see historical documents on how 907 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:59,040 this started, the original contract, and all of the amendments 908 01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:04,719 to getting us where we are today so we can make a educated, 909 01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:11,120 logical decision that's going to be in the best interest of you, our community, 910 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:15,120 our citizens. And I would like the city attorney to also have the opportunity to 911 01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:19,280 look at all those documents to see if anything 912 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:22,960 jumps out at him. How can we, 913 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:30,000 and I'm changing the subject for a second, how can a city council in 1989, 914 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:38,239 1990, pass a something that binds this city 915 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:41,280 council today in 2026 to a certain pay increase? How can we do 916 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:45,120 that? >> The city council probably couldn't, but 917 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,560 if it's through the PWA, you might be able to. I'd have to look at the 918 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,239 contract which is >> which is 919 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:54,159 » exactly what he said. >> Yeah. And so 920 01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:57,600 » again >> I I respect what you're saying there. 921 01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,640 The contract there's original contract in there. Then the amendments to the 922 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:03,679 contract are in there also somewhere. And the other thing is is 923 01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:07,199 » I think it's only in the fair interest of this council to see all of those 924 01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:10,800 documents >> and put them in the packet so the public 925 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:18,159 can see the same thing we are and can contact us with their opinion. Nina 926 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:22,560 » and give us their thoughts on that >> before we make a decision. 927 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:27,920 » But one one one thing and I agree and I agree with what you're saying here. One 928 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:34,800 thing that I'll divert to is that we didn't do anything contractwise when 929 01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:39,679 I was either Randy Elliott didn't approve. He's got his stamp on 930 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:42,560 it. Ben Sher didn't approve. >> Sort of 931 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:45,760 » or Kim Kim Richie didn't approve. You know, that's one of the things that 932 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,640 that'll get you in trouble quicker than anything 933 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,480 because you're spending money that you don't have. But somewhere in 934 01:17:49,549 --> 01:17:57,040 [clears throat] there, those contracts are in there. So, yes. And and I told I 935 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:59,120 told Bill here, I told Bill recycling. I said, 936 01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:04,239 » "It's part of my fault. The contracts are there. You need to get together with 937 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:07,679 the council sometime. Get a group together with council. You need to get 938 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:11,679 together with MUB. You need to sit down and talk about this. Everybody needs to 939 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:15,760 understand the history of this trash business because you all have no idea 940 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:19,120 what the history of this trash business is, what we went through to get there. 941 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,239 » So, are you saying MUB's a part of the city? 942 01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:24,000 » No, I'm not. >> We're [laughter] not going 943 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:29,360 but but but but one of the things was they agreed they 944 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:32,880 agreed we pay them paid him. That was one of the agreements we had to do. All 945 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:36,320 goes through to be fair. I will say that is one of the thickest files because of 946 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,560 all that documentation that's in the vault. It's 947 01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:40,880 » it's it's huge thick. >> It's every bit. 948 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:45,280 » But anyway, I >> and and I and I and again I agree the 949 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:48,480 contract to me if you want to see the contract. I'm sure that this young lady 950 01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:52,480 would let you look at it because that files in about like you said about that 951 01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:55,120 thick, you know. I'm sure Drew's got one somewhere. 952 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:58,560 » So is it you keep saying it's this thick. Is it possible to give us in a 953 01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:03,440 packet or >> Oh my gosh. No, we can anything book, 954 01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:07,440 but it's gonna it's going to be several hundred pages. 955 01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:11,360 » It'll take you what my suggestion would be to if you want to have something look 956 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:13,600 at have city attorney look at it or or you come here and sit down and look at 957 01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:18,000 because it's pretty long. >> And in all honesty, the packet we could 958 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:23,760 give the citizens the opportunity to look at. Charles, to clarify that, 959 01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:27,840 » back during the start of Courtney's term, wasn't most everything all 960 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:32,080 digitized that this is could be in an email instead of a thick file packet. 961 01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:38,800 » Not all of that file. >> I've came into a lot of things that I 962 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,600 have to find. >> Okay. 963 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,920 » Because >> I knew that there was a lot of 964 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,880 digitations, didn't you? >> But I have wrote [clears throat] I wrote 965 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:48,800 down everything that you guys have said that you've wanted and I'm that's my 966 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:51,600 list. And remember, all of those records requests, if you go to Hannah, she'll 967 01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:52,960 provide them for you as quick as she can, 968 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:57,120 » as quick as we can. >> I I I don't have a problem with anything 969 01:19:55,040 --> 01:20:01,920 you said. Just know that that file is thick and a lot of those pages are 970 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:05,760 brittle. So, I if you can come and look at it here, if we have to do if we have 971 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:10,159 to scan it up, >> if it's been scanned, I'm sending 972 01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:15,600 » if it will. Yeah. Let me add another thing to Charles. 973 01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:21,520 In my thinking, which I'm not not right most of the time anyway, but in my 974 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:27,600 thinking, we should be discussing with the city of Prior, how would you like to 975 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:35,360 reduce your two week to one week, get a trash can, get that accepted, and then 976 01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:40,000 bring in a possible increase. Not bring the increase in first and then That's 977 01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:44,400 that's that's good. That's a good plan. You know, we put a group together and 978 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:48,000 what you're saying is table the 3%. My question is can he can he forgo the 3% 979 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:53,440 with a raise in fees? And >> he may not he may not have to uh he'll 980 01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:59,199 know more than we will, but if we cut the uh the amount of time he's spending 981 01:20:56,719 --> 01:21:03,840 in prior and cut it in half, that may make him a better situation. 982 01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:07,520 » It may make us a better situation. >> Yeah. Study and see. That's that's your 983 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:10,719 » Let's not jump. just not jump real quick. They can figure it out. 984 01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:12,719 » And see, we're headed that way anyway. >> Yeah. 985 01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:16,400 » If you do, >> as we talked about, you go to every one 986 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:22,640 of those towns. >> Prior is the only town that I know of in 987 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:26,159 the state of Oklahoma that has twice pickup. 988 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:29,360 » I've been against that since day one >> because I was over the street 989 01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:33,360 department. Those trash trucks are tough on your streets. So, there's there's a 990 01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:38,400 lot of ways to handle it. But the problem that we ran into, the people did 991 01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:42,880 not want that. They've had twice a week pickup for 50 years. 992 01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:47,120 » They're used to that. >> You go changing somebody's trash habits, 993 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:50,640 you're asking for a lot of trouble. Well, you could shut their TV off. You 994 01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:56,080 can shut >> You can do a lot of things. You mess 995 01:21:52,320 --> 01:22:01,199 with trash, you andor body. Along along those lines, 996 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:05,840 one day I gandered out in the garage to take the trash out. I opened up the 997 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:10,800 garage door and there's a trash truck sitting there right against the garage 998 01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:13,440 door. And I thought, my wife or daughter has done bought a trash truck. 999 01:22:12,862 --> 01:22:18,560 [laughter] I don't know where that come from. Well, 1000 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:22,639 one of his people misunderstanding instead of I've got house pickup, side 1001 01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:26,320 pickup. Instead of getting it and taking it out the street, they just back the 1002 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:32,080 old trash track up the door. There's a hole big as a hood in my car where it 1003 01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:36,320 crushed concrete. I didn't say anything about it for a while. When I told him, 1004 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:40,320 he immediately came out there, fixed it. Sorry. And got it fixed and everything's 1005 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:43,199 fine. So, I don't have a problem with the trash service. I don't have a 1006 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:47,600 problem with Bill. I just think we need to get this 1007 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:51,120 » so to your point. Are you wanting to go to two one time a week? Is that your 1008 01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,159 proposal forever? >> I would love it. 1009 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,520 » Yeah. >> And here's let me tell you something, 1010 01:22:53,600 --> 01:23:01,800 Mr. >> You know how many applications I got 1011 01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:01,800 last year for people throwing trash? 1012 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,679 » I'm not. >> I'm just trying to figure out what 1013 01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:08,960 you're wanting. I'm not questioning you. I'm just trying to figure out because it 1014 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:12,159 kind of sounded like in those comments you made a few minutes ago that you 1015 01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:15,760 weren't necessarily for that. >> When you have pick up, 1016 01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:19,679 » even though people don't set the pressure up, we still drive the same. 1017 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:23,440 The truck still travel. >> I get that. 1018 01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:29,440 » So, you know, the fuel cost those trucks are, you know, I sold the last trash 1019 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:33,427 truck that prior bought in 1983. It was $39,000. 1020 01:23:31,679 --> 01:23:37,920 The same truck today impacts [clears throat] the same volume of trash 1021 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:43,199 is a quarter of a million. >> Insurance went through the roof. The 1022 01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:48,880 operational cost. I'm on those guys all the time. We got to control the 1023 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:51,760 operational cost. That's We don't do that. 1024 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:57,440 » And I I was going to say something real quick and I'm I'm going to cut my part 1025 01:23:55,360 --> 01:24:02,159 unless you have questions. [snorts] >> Not all he's got question. He's chomping 1026 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:09,280 at the bits. [laughter] But here's the deal. If you look around Shoto and you 1027 01:24:06,639 --> 01:24:16,320 look Shodo I had Mayor Floyd called me one time. I said we got a mess. 1028 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:22,239 the hauler. If you so find a problem with the trash company, it's usually the 1029 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:27,120 rates too cheap and they can't afford the disposal. The disposal of that trash 1030 01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:32,800 is one of the most expensive things that we do. And what he was doing was at 1031 01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:37,600 night time he was dumping it behind the building, burning 1032 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:41,679 major DEQ violation. >> And the thing about it is Mayor Floyd 1033 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:47,120 called me and said, "We're in trouble." The landfills have shut him off once 1034 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:51,040 this town of Shodo to pay for the disposal 1035 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:55,600 and he they were making him if he come to the landfill they made him pay cash 1036 01:24:52,880 --> 01:25:00,880 before he could dump. He called me and said we got a problem. We end up with 1037 01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:07,440 contract and show I've had the same thing at Wagner and we haul Wagner and 1038 01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:11,360 uh we do it with an automated polycar system. 1039 01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:13,520 It's It's only one. 1040 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:17,199 » Can I make one more comment? Then I'm I'm not going to say another word. I 1041 01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:21,440 just asked the city attorney >> if he's seen the the amend addendum of 1042 01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:24,239 the contract, >> you know, this contract and and he said 1043 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:27,760 he had. Am I correct? >> I saw what you and I talked about his 1044 01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:31,120 » the addendum of the contract through 2044, which I don't know if that was the 1045 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:34,000 full addendum. Was that only two pages of it or was that 1046 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:36,719 » that was it? It was that in minutes just two pages. 1047 01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:42,000 » That's what So my point is my point saying that is is that's the addendum to 1048 01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:45,199 2044. I think Bruce has got a good idea have to look at. I think you got a good 1049 01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:48,560 idea. >> Look at it for future boy. Let's get 1050 01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:52,400 this thing done as we get people citizens are in and then say, "Okay, I'm 1051 01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:56,159 going to put a a team together and get Bill back here together and let's get 1052 01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:59,760 back. Let's get people together that's been on this council before and let's 1053 01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:03,840 discuss this because when I'm dead and gone, I don't come to town much 1054 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:06,699 anymore." And if Zach and I stay at I stay on 1055 01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:10,000 » No, but you're constantly driving. >> [laughter] 1056 01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:12,639 » But my my point is we've done a good job between He's seen the contracts. I'm 1057 01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,480 going to go sit down and shut up. >> Hey, Bill. 1058 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:18,480 » Mr. Dinsmore, >> hang on. 1059 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:23,360 » Uh you're asking for a 3% which is about 50 cents. Is that correct? 1060 01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:30,480 » Uh we only get 91%. >> The city gets 6% for building and 3% for 1061 01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:35,600 » but the 3% would be approximately 50 cents on the 50s. Time we did it 45 1062 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,880 cents, right? And we pick up eight times a week, 1063 01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:38,880 » right? >> I mean, a month, 1064 01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:42,239 » right, >> guys? 1065 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:45,360 » Is this rate weekly? >> It's It's a monthly rate, right? 1675 is 1066 01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:47,920 a monthly rate. >> Yes, it is. 1067 01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,639 » Now, Bill, everywhere that you do service, do you furnish the cans? 1068 01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:52,480 » Yes. >> So, Prior is on the ones you don't 1069 01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:56,239 furnish. >> Prior Prior does have cans around that 1070 01:26:54,719 --> 01:27:02,880 he's furnished. I've seen interesting that you guys mentioned that we had such 1071 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:06,159 a tremendous amount of people calling said, "We want 1072 01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:10,239 You see them everywhere >> and those things are expensive. We order 1073 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:16,000 the semi truckload of them. >> Uh we just I don't know how many we've 1074 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:20,480 set prior, but I went to Terry one day and I said, "Terry, we're getting so 1075 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:26,239 many calls for cars. I'd like to be able to add that." And I think Larry Le was 1076 01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:29,520 so forth and they approved to put that on there as available. It's not part of 1077 01:27:28,639 --> 01:27:34,400 the contract, >> but you you have special truck that 1078 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:40,880 hauls those, right? You got a special truck that loads those polycarts. 1079 01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:43,360 » Well, uh you're right. A poly cart will hold up to 175 pounds. 1080 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:48,480 » Yeah. >> And the hydraulic system on the truck 1081 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:53,920 will flip that will dump that 175 pounds. Whereas if we pick it up, we 1082 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,120 only pick up 50 pounds and we only lift it four feet. 1083 01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:59,280 » Right. >> Well, how many how many people have you 1084 01:27:57,199 --> 01:28:02,719 got on the poly truck? >> How many people have the truck? 1085 01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:05,040 » I mean I mean how many operating? operators. 1086 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:08,639 » One >> and on. So you got one on the poly 1087 01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,679 truck, but you got three on the regular truck, 1088 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,000 » right? >> And nobody's going to lose a job if you 1089 01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:15,000 switch. >> No. 1090 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,480 What it allows me to do is to go to a different truck, 1091 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,360 » Bill. >> Has the arm that lift. 1092 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:28,159 » Okay. >> And and that way you don't worry about 1093 01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:33,440 100 degree temperature, >> right? you know, minus zero windshield 1094 01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:37,040 factor, >> whatever it is. And it's 1095 01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:40,400 » Now, if you've got a house side pickup, how does the one guy does he get out of 1096 01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:45,040 the truck, go up there and get it? >> I pick it up. I pick up. 1097 01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:48,080 » Do you? [laughter] >> That'll work. 1098 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:52,719 » I've done it, too. Boo. >> Hey, Bill. Question. Uh, since you're 1099 01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:55,840 going to go to this Polycarp thing or possibly, 1100 01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:58,480 » what's it going to cost you to get started and maybe buy new trucks and 1101 01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,760 things like that? >> It cost a million and a half. 1102 01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:05,199 » Million and a half. >> We're good with that. 1103 01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:09,600 » Okay. Just want to make sure that's going to be it's going to be expensive. 1104 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,000 » Okay. Okay. Good enough. >> And I got a letter. 1105 01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:17,239 » All right. Good. >> Okay. So, I just have a few questions 1106 01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,239 and a lot of this. 1107 01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:23,679 A lot of it starts 24, 48 hours, however long ago it was. I 1108 01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:27,600 don't know. I've I didn't go to sleep until 2 o'clock 1109 01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:32,239 last night doing research. I spent a lot of my day today doing research that 1110 01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:35,360 starts with a question because I found your 1111 01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:40,239 for whatever reason, I had a lot of this stuff sent to me when Courtney was here. 1112 01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:45,679 And so I found this your your amendment from 2019 1113 01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:49,360 and we got clarification on that now that no the city's not actually being 1114 01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:54,560 charged in lie of foregoing rent 1115 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:56,159 for basic trash pickup. Is that I'm understanding that correct? 1116 01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:02,560 » Correct. >> Okay. And so I asked the question and I 1117 01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:07,679 really didn't get an answer. It was come talk to me. Okay, fine. Whatever. 1118 01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:11,199 And then at the same time when all this starts getting posted out, I also get 1119 01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:15,840 calls from constituents and whatnot. And I'm spending a lot of time going through 1120 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:20,719 every single city council agenda since tw whatever's on the the website. And 1121 01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:26,480 Jay, by the way, has been awesome in getting me all that information. So 1122 01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:31,120 kudos to her. Give her a raise. No. Uh anyway, there's a few things that I have 1123 01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:34,480 a question about. The first one, and this largely comes from the fact that 1124 01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:38,480 we're a private company working with a government entity. 1125 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:42,239 I'm predisposed that you should keep that as far away as possible. That 1126 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:48,239 that's not the discussion here. But one of the things is complaints about 1127 01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:54,159 you talk about twice a week pickup. Well, and I have your information letter 1128 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:59,199 here as well that's on the website. uh that citizens within the city at a 1129 01:30:56,639 --> 01:31:02,880 certain time. It it just says 25 years ago this was done. There's no date on 1130 01:31:00,639 --> 01:31:04,159 the letter, but I would assume he already 1131 01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:10,320 » Yeah, he left. >> Oh, okay. Well, sometime sometime over 1132 01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:15,280 25 years ago this was decided. Um a lot of the complaint has come from 1133 01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:19,199 there are areas in the city that are no long that are now in city limits that 1134 01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:23,840 now have houses on them and they're getting twice a week pickup. 1135 01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:29,920 And like I have a neighbor who has to go to a dumpster because once a week is so 1136 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:34,400 so the question there is is consistency in the work practice 1137 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:39,840 because we are contracted with the city and so the I think the citizens should 1138 01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:46,000 know that that's happening and I'm not trying to get on to anybody but that's 1139 01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:52,320 just is what it is. And the second thing is they complained about no re no call 1140 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:55,360 backs, no responses from and the only and again a private company 1141 01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:59,440 I believe should be able to do whatever they want in you know in accordance with 1142 01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:06,560 state local laws etc so on and so forth but when you go to a a governing agency 1143 01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:08,480 I that's that's a little hairy >> I'm gonna 1144 01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,480 » get to the damn point >> pause because 1145 01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:16,080 » well [laughter] >> in my three years as mayor 1146 01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:20,880 » Greg you suck I've had one person, not you, and I know you're talking about 1147 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:25,040 yourself. Um, one person call me that said, "Hey, I didn't get my trash picked 1148 01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:29,360 up, and I called you immediately, and you went as quick as you could get a 1149 01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:34,400 team out there." Nobody Nobody in this room right now has graced 1150 01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:38,400 my office or my phone to mention that they weren't getting the pickups that 1151 01:32:35,679 --> 01:32:43,600 they should get. And I understand that we have boundaries that have changed 1152 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:49,280 with annexations, but understand I don't have MUB with their billing. They don't 1153 01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:53,600 know. Hannah doesn't know who who gets what. We don't sit at everybody's front 1154 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:57,120 yard. So, it's it's it is an element of accountability and responsibility that 1155 01:32:55,280 --> 01:33:03,679 if you're in the city limits and you're not getting what you're paying for to as 1156 01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:08,560 as politely and correctly as you can call up and say, "I'm I'm not getting 1157 01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:13,520 the pickups I need and it's not happening." And so, 1158 01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:16,639 » and I am I am going to say I'm >> hang on. Hang on. I'm not done. I'm not 1159 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:22,480 done. >> And we're not open to public discussion 1160 01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:27,920 on the floor. Here's the problem is that we're not we're not attacking. We're not 1161 01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:31,120 out to do that. That's not the point. If we have adjustments that need to be made 1162 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:34,159 because of boundaries that have changed, and our boundaries are always changing, 1163 01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:38,400 and here in the next year or two, they're going to change again when we do 1164 01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:42,800 additional annexations, when we get the houses put in up at Stonegate. We have 1165 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:47,840 to make sure that we're communicating that to Dinsore. And when I talked to 1166 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:51,199 Jimmy about it today, he said that, I guess, is through zoning. maps that we 1167 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:54,800 have to do that. We've updated our zoning maps. We have to make sure that 1168 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:58,960 we're getting those out, but the only way we're going to find out that those 1169 01:33:56,080 --> 01:34:03,040 people like you and your neighbor aren't getting the service because you've been 1170 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:06,639 annexed in since 2 AD when we started this this whole 1171 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:11,440 mess is for those people to come to us or to 1172 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:15,679 call call the utility board or Hannah and say, "I'm not getting what I need." 1173 01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:20,000 I'm going to tell you right now, every call I've made to Bill and and Bill, you 1174 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:23,440 can attest, you and I have not always seen eye to eye. We had a great 1175 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:29,520 interaction in my office at the store one time where it was got it got hot. 1176 01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:34,560 But I make a call to him and it happens. So, if we're not getting that, we need 1177 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:38,719 to know. We can't we can't begrudgingly come at the city and be or bill and be 1178 01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:43,280 like, "Well, I've been paying and I'm not getting it." So, there there's an 1179 01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:46,159 accountability factor there. We will make right what we can make right. 1180 01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:51,280 That's what we're here to do. >> So hold on. Hold on. When these people, 1181 01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:55,440 including myself, they call MUB. They say we don't have control over that. 1182 01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:59,600 Call, you got to call the ways. You call ways. We don't get responses. Nobody 1183 01:34:57,440 --> 01:35:02,480 gets responses. So we call city hall and and complain. 1184 01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:04,800 » You can call me every time or >> Yeah. And again, this 1185 01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:09,040 » or like I said in the email, you can come into my office and we can talk 1186 01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:12,800 about it. But apparently, you know, we what I'm getting at is we've got to have 1187 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:16,639 that communication. And it's just like everywhere else. If you're not getting 1188 01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:21,600 an answer from Dinsore and you don't get an answer from there, that's what I'm 1189 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:25,840 paid to do. I will I will make those. Have I not called you several times 1190 01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:30,719 » and said, "Hey, we need to fix this." Okay. The only reason 1191 01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:35,600 » never denied anybody trash. 1192 01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:42,639 » Now, I'm I'm going to say something here that last week pick up. 1193 01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:48,400 The problem is, and I owe an apology, but on the flip side of that, we have no 1194 01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:54,480 idea. We don't what areas have been annexed 1195 01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:57,760 and stuff. There's a road out there that one side of the streets in city, the 1196 01:35:56,639 --> 01:35:59,920 other side's not. >> Yeah, that happens to be where I live, 1197 01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:03,600 too. >> And I didn't even know that to today. 1198 01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,760 » Yeah. Well, it and and I'm not getting on to you for that because I know 1199 01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:10,480 there's a chain of commitment. But the fact of the matter is I didn't know a 1200 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:13,760 lot of this stuff until the last 24 48 hours. I went and searched all these 1201 01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:16,880 documents and read through them like, "Oh, wait. We're really tied to prior 1202 01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:20,320 waste and recycle more than I thought we were." And the fact is is nobody else is 1203 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:24,960 out there going to know that, hey, maybe we need to call up city hall and say, 1204 01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:29,679 "Hey, this is what's going on." And when I had a simple question, do we do this? 1205 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:32,639 Yes or no? Come to my office and talk about it. Well, I'm not going to be able 1206 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:37,280 to do that before the meeting. Well, I'm busy, too. Well, I get that. But we're 1207 01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,719 sitting here having to make decisions about a contract we don't have in a 1208 01:36:38,719 --> 01:36:44,719 packet. We've got all these documents that had to be fished out, which once 1209 01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:48,080 again, great for city. I appreciate what your office has done getting this 1210 01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:54,320 information. Well, the added information. And 1211 01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:59,840 so, let me be very clear so people that are listening. Over the weekend, I got 1212 01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:04,159 asked if we could have some correspondence. 1213 01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:08,400 You know what? I have family time. And I'm sorry, Mr. Brashier, that you've got 1214 01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:13,280 your yourself all worked up over this, but I have every right to say, "Come to 1215 01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:17,520 my office and talk about it." Terry has been in my office. I've talked to Bruce. 1216 01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:23,119 I've talked to just about anybody. Lori and I have talked about it. You chose to 1217 01:37:20,719 --> 01:37:28,239 throw a fit because I said, "Come talk to me." I sat in my office all day with 1218 01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:32,239 the exception of two two times. One, I went to go get lunch and two, when I 1219 01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:35,520 went to take pictures of the 17th Street project to give an update on that. You 1220 01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:39,440 did not make that effort. I don't know what your day is. I don't really care. 1221 01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:42,560 But to to waste our time in a county so I can 1222 01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:46,880 » to waste I'm not done talking. Don't interrupt. When we have a council 1223 01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:52,560 meeting and we're trying to dec to do this, take your personal issues and 1224 01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:56,000 handle them not in a public setting. I don't think that's professional. I don't 1225 01:37:54,320 --> 01:38:00,560 think it's professional to get upset when somebody says, "Come and talk to me 1226 01:37:58,639 --> 01:38:04,239 about it." If you don't like that answer, I'm sorry, but that's the answer 1227 01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:09,280 that you got. I am a father. I am a husband and I have 1228 01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:14,080 things in my home that I need to do, including sick children. I have a wife 1229 01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:18,960 needed some help. I'm not going to give every waking 1230 01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:23,280 second of my Sunday and Saturday night to things that I need to put in a 1231 01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:28,480 priority list and set back. We're here to discuss this 3% escalator. 1232 01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:31,760 That's what we need to get to. I think there have been great questions from 1233 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:37,960 everybody. Great involvement. I'm grateful that you Brian and 1234 01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,960 » Mattful. 1235 01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:49,800 » Thank you. And >> absolutely. 1236 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:57,199 » And the fact that Jimmy came up. Jimmy did not have to come up. We try to 1237 01:38:54,368 --> 01:39:01,679 [laughter] We love Jimmy for what he is, but he chose to come up here. What was 1238 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:06,159 that, Nina? Oh, I thought you had a cough again. Um, 1239 01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:10,639 but again, >> you're interrupting Nina. [laughter] 1240 01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,719 » The point the point that we're getting at is 1241 01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:15,600 » Oh my god. >> Customer service, you are a customer 1242 01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:18,239 service based business. >> Yes. 1243 01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:22,000 » There will be problems. Y >> and anybody that's done customer 1244 01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:27,600 service, whether it's whether it's handyman work, library, real estate, uh, 1245 01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:31,280 newspaper, you're not going to get everything 100%. 1246 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:35,040 losing our cool about it and not being level-headed about things is never going 1247 01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:39,760 to get successful. I tell everybody all the time, level heads prevail, and we've 1248 01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:44,480 got to address whether or not we're going to do this or not. The proposal 1249 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:48,880 has has been discussed and is out there that we could entertain at another 1250 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:54,000 council discussion whether or not we would accept the once a week pickup with 1251 01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:58,639 the 97gallon receptacles for reduction in service and and wear and tear on our 1252 01:39:55,840 --> 01:40:05,119 roads, but it helps him as well. that's out there that is not tied into this 3%. 1253 01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:09,360 Tonight, we're here to discuss the 3%. And that's what we've got to do. 1254 01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:15,040 » I understand that. And this is this is the frustrating part. Hold on. I send 1255 01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:18,040 out correspondence at almost 11 p.m. on Sunday. 1256 01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:28,800 That leaves the entire day Monday because we have nothing in our packet 1257 01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:37,199 outside of a letter. No fault to you. And I'm not saying I have issues, but 1258 01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:41,760 not everybody who I have a family. I have five kids. I have a full-time job 1259 01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:48,239 that if I don't work, I'm not making money. I don't have paid leave. 1260 01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:52,400 And so it would be more time efficient to say, "Yes, we do. No, we don't. Hey, 1261 01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:57,280 here's this, but there's more development." It's that simple. So I 1262 01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:02,520 understand what we have on the floor now, but this whole thing 1263 01:41:02,719 --> 01:41:07,600 we talked communication is key. Communication is key. Communication is 1264 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:12,080 key. And all we have is a letter that he sent in our packet regarding a contract. 1265 01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:15,600 » Yeah. When did you send us that letter, Bill? 1266 01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:17,840 » When did you send that letter to us? >> When did I send that letter? 1267 01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:21,520 » Was that not Friday afternoon? >> Yeah. 1268 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:24,960 » Thank you, Matt. >> But thank you. 1269 01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:31,360 » I was in the hospital. to it. 1270 01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:37,440 » But in in the contract, it says that the between the city and the refuge company 1271 01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:44,400 is the main and I have the right to petition the council for rates based on 1272 01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:50,159 fuel cost, disposal cost, equipment cost, insurance cost, and all those 1273 01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:54,560 things. That's what I'm doing. And you have the right to reject it. You say, 1274 01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:57,679 "Hey, your service sucks. >> You're on your 1275 01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:00,800 » Do you have a copy of that contract in your files 1276 01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:03,840 at at your work site?" >> I I'm pretty sure I did. I'm pretty 1277 01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:06,960 sure. >> Bill, would it be liveable? 1278 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:09,280 » No action. I >> I suggested earlier that 1279 01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:17,360 » Bill, >> we go ahead and 1280 01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:23,280 table this or take no action tonight. work on the one can a one trip 1281 01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:27,119 sanitation and then bring this back at a later point. 1282 01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:29,360 » Would that would that would that settle everything? 1283 01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:33,440 » Let me real quick and I'm going to give Tyler the floor cuz he has been 1284 01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:38,320 patiently waiting. I'm just going to ask you guys, would you guys have a problem 1285 01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:43,920 with me having Jay put out a a jot jot form? I think is what it is. The the 1286 01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:48,400 survey monkey survey just asking what do you prefer? Would you be okay with it? 1287 01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:52,960 Just send it out. We can send it out. Put it out on social media. We'll get 1288 01:42:50,639 --> 01:42:56,560 back unanimous results. >> What are we asking? 1289 01:42:54,719 --> 01:43:00,800 » If they would like to keep the service as it is or if they would be okay with 1290 01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:03,679 once a week with the larger containers that would just go out to the public as 1291 01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:10,080 answered if you want to. >> I think since the paper's gone 1292 01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:14,239 and I know you said you didn't like Facebook although you've adapted rather 1293 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:18,560 well to communication. Uh but that's the only communication you got prior I think 1294 01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:24,320 right now is Facebook social media to to get and I I don't 1295 01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:28,800 » we have two published newspapers >> there's one sitting right here 1296 01:43:25,541 --> 01:43:34,159 [laughter] Susan Susan >> so we can I I can get Dean and Tim to 1297 01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:38,639 give us Dean and Tim can give us a spot. >> Yeah. I didn't mean but I'm saying that 1298 01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:44,480 thing is Facebook was >> you've seen how immediate it is. 1299 01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:47,280 » Oh boy. I have questions that I wrote down. So hopefully I don't forget 1300 01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:50,800 anything. [laughter] Recycling. Is that anywhere on the 1301 01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,400 horizon or where are we at with all that? 1302 01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:55,199 » Very good question. >> And I'm going to ask you if you would 1303 01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:56,960 please speak into the mic because I know there's lots of people that want to know 1304 01:43:56,159 --> 01:44:00,320 this answer. >> I'm up here so I can hear. 1305 01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:04,880 » I know. Yes, sir. Yes, [laughter] sir. >> Okay. 1306 01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:11,280 Recycling is a uh 1307 01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:14,080 it has to be everybody. You can't pick and choose, 1308 01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:20,560 » right? And that's what we ran into the f right off the bat when what we had 1309 01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:25,760 chosen to do was that have twice a week pickup, one time trash, the second time 1310 01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:31,199 recyclables. That thing fell so flat on its face it 1311 01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:35,920 was unreal. Jimmy did the survey. He went to Saratoma. He and people said, 1312 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:41,040 "We don't we're not going to mess with that. We're going to throw it in the 1313 01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:47,040 trash and be done with it." So, we used the waste of energy and that was 1314 01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:54,239 satisfactory because it was a means of recycling and turning trash into energy. 1315 01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:59,040 That worked until we got pushed out. Recycling 1316 01:44:55,760 --> 01:45:05,360 now costs more than hauling the trash off if you can get rid of it. plastic. I 1317 01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:10,080 don't know if you guys remember preferred waste that was out in 1318 01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:15,600 Industrial Park, recycled plastic. >> They couldn't make a penny. We hauled it 1319 01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:21,600 all off to the landfill. I tried to sell it, but it was co-mingled, contaminated, 1320 01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:28,880 and nobody would take it. So, I've seen recycling break a a contractor's back 1321 01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:35,679 real quick. Now, what we're we are working on and let let me go step back a 1322 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:42,159 little bit further. We were going to try recycling. 1323 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:49,360 The city poured a concrete pad. I went out and bought the these 1324 01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:56,159 containers for separation. We set them out there 1325 01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:58,880 and we didn't have anybody participate. and they said, "We're not going to drive 1326 01:45:57,440 --> 01:46:05,040 that gravel road because we'll get a flat." So, what we decided to do was set 1327 01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:11,760 them behind a police station. That thing become a dump. Mattresses, 1328 01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:17,280 junk, everywhere. Dennis Nichols finally called. He said, "Get them out of here. 1329 01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:24,000 I'm sick of it." We've tried, but it's a very, very difficult deal. city of Tulsa 1330 01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:29,600 and I know those guys well have fought that recycling deal and they've got it. 1331 01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:34,239 But you take and set and and pick up recycle bins and have two or three 1332 01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:39,520 people put trash in them, you contaminated it and they will take and 1333 01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:45,760 throw put in the landfill. It's very very strict, very expensive. So what we 1334 01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:51,920 would like to do eventually is in our plan is have it again where we have 1335 01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:58,719 volunteer recycling. In other words, we have the containers where you put paper, 1336 01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:02,560 glass, plastic, whatever. And for people that that that want to do it themselves, 1337 01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:06,639 some people going to do it because they're environmentally conscious. Some 1338 01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:13,280 people are not going to waste the day, their day, their time doing that. So you 1339 01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:16,280 I've watched that thing closely. Uh and uh 1340 01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:25,119 it's to the point that city Tulsa finds people. If you if you violate it, 1341 01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:33,199 they're going to find you. And that's the only way they can they can get a a 1342 01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:37,280 at one time when they started, you know what their percentage of 1343 01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:42,560 participation was? 16%. 1344 01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:49,360 And they had to have recycling. They had diar taunted it got rewards over awards 1345 01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:54,800 b for it. And they had to make it and they tried all kinds of different ways. 1346 01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:59,119 First they they taken and uh leave them a note says don't put your trash in 1347 01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:01,600 recycling bin. And then they got to the point they had to just basically find 1348 01:48:00,719 --> 01:48:07,040 them. >> You're saying if if there's not a a need 1349 01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:08,239 for it or profit for it, nobody wants to mess with it. 1350 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:13,280 » Yeah. >> Okay. And one of the problems is 1351 01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:21,040 whenever they had the Olympics in China, cardboard was bringing $200 a ton. After 1352 01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:26,719 the Olympics, $5, you can't buy it and transport it for that. I mean, you lose 1353 01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:32,880 money. That's plastic is is a very tough thing uh uh to to get 1354 01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:36,960 rid of. The markets the markets are volatile. It's just up and down, up and 1355 01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:41,520 down. Most of the guys that really that make it work in recycling like [snorts] 1356 01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:47,760 American Environmental, they got a big warehouse and then they they get several 1357 01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:52,719 truckloads and then they go to finding who who's the best buyer for it. So you 1358 01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:56,639 you have I I would love to be able to do some type of recycling, but I just do 1359 01:48:55,119 --> 01:49:01,520 not know how to make it work in this area. 1360 01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:04,639 » Yeah. I I just like the options having the person that does want to do 1361 01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:07,760 it have the option even if it's a drop off location that's managed. Um 1362 01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:13,840 » that's >> but I I think it's good for us to look 1363 01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:17,840 into that avenue. I understand that it's probably a pain and Jeremy's people 1364 01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:20,880 don't have the time to go out and police whether or not somebody's putting 1365 01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:24,000 recycled trash in recycle bin or not. And so I don't want to create any more 1366 01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:28,800 work on anybody but just if there is an option I think that that helps lots of 1367 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:31,840 things. Um, the other thing is I just want to point out we're talking about $6 1368 01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:33,840 a year >> for consumers. 1369 01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:37,920 » Yeah. >> And we're doing a lot of bickering over 1370 01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:42,000 $6 a year. I have zero complaints with y'all's trash service. You guys are 1371 01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:44,159 » You spend about an hour arguing over this and I'm $200 an hour. 1372 01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:49,280 » That's right. >> I have I have three I have three kids 1373 01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:54,159 like maniacs and >> we probably go over our trash rate and 1374 01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:58,239 you guys always pick it up and I'm very appreciative of it. Thank you very much. 1375 01:49:56,239 --> 01:50:02,560 » I think that we have along with all of our other utility services some of the 1376 01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:06,320 cheapest in the entire state. Um and if anybody wants to disagree, please go ask 1377 01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:11,040 other cities because they're paying sometimes double more than what we're 1378 01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:14,639 paying on lots of things. So >> I appreciate that. 1379 01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:17,760 » I I I just I do wish that we had some more clarity on all the backstory and 1380 01:50:16,239 --> 01:50:23,360 everything. It was helpful. the little history lesson tonight was helpful, but 1381 01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:26,960 I think I and some of the conversations I've had just want to understand better 1382 01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:31,760 what the landscape is on all of this. Um, one of the sticking points as far as 1383 01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:40,239 sticking points, not necessarily a bad thing, just one of the questions is it's 1384 01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:42,960 our land and so what is the tradeoff on our land? You guys are using it. You 1385 01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:47,040 guys are obviously running a business out of it. So, uh, I know that was one 1386 01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:52,800 of the questions that I've been asked is, hey, what is the city getting out of 1387 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:55,840 it? And if it's cheaper service, if it's whatever it is, I I don't know what it 1388 01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:58,719 is, but I know that that's one of the questions that I've been asked. And 1389 01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:03,040 that's the last question I have. >> And and to answer that, again, I'm being 1390 01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:06,239 a little bit repetitious here. We don't charge the city for anything, right? 1391 01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:11,920 » Band day, >> the festivals, uh, the blueg grass. We 1392 01:51:09,679 --> 01:51:16,159 we bring all the polycarts out here. We don't a penny [clears throat] for them. 1393 01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:22,000 We we set the robots out here so they can empty the holiday the there there is 1394 01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:26,639 a lot of participation whether it's main street prior they'll clean up a business 1395 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:32,320 we set a dumpster we go >> I mean it's just there's so many things 1396 01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:36,880 that we tried to do but the biggest thing that transfer station is who's 1397 01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:38,560 going to maintain it >> right 1398 01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:44,639 » that's the reason I was telling you earlier about whenever the farm Randy 1399 01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:50,560 you're which everybody knows Randy Drake been around here for a ages. He come to 1400 01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:54,639 me and he said, "We got a big problem." He said, "That thistle is is a hard 1401 01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:58,400 thing to kill >> and per the law, 1402 01:51:56,480 --> 01:52:02,080 » it's city prior's responsibility to control that thistle." Well, you 1403 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:07,040 couldn't do it for the thorn trees. That thing was a forest of thorn trees. We 1404 01:52:04,719 --> 01:52:11,679 went out there with an excavator for three months, pulled off every one of 1405 01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:14,080 the thorn trees, roots them all. You can't cut them off. You got to pull them 1406 01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:16,000 up roots and all. >> Right. 1407 01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:19,360 » And we made that where it could be mowed. 1408 01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:23,679 » Uh if you go if you drive out there now, look across it looks like a green 1409 01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:31,840 pasture. I mean it it does. So we've done a lot just to maintain that. That 1410 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:37,360 thing was a a cess poolool. >> That back end was nothing but leech 1411 01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:38,960 ponds. The mosquitoes were bigger than horse flies. 1412 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:44,800 » Yeah. >> It was a mess. So we we filled all that 1413 01:52:41,679 --> 01:52:49,119 in. We've covered it up. We can add to the top of the land landfield. You just 1414 01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:54,239 can't take away the bottom of it. You can't break that seal and go down below 1415 01:52:50,960 --> 01:53:00,800 it. So we've done a lot and we have uh we have uh plans to to go further and we 1416 01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:05,520 would like later date we'd like to explain to you what we're trying to do. 1417 01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:10,239 We have too many people coming in now. There's so many people moving in. 1418 01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:15,199 bringing the old couches in and boxes and stuff. We've got a big traffic 1419 01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:20,800 problem and somebody's going to get hurt. My liability is going through the 1420 01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:24,320 roof because people come out there, they don't really know what to do. They'll 1421 01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:28,560 pull right in the middle. These guys fight it every day. They pull right in 1422 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:33,119 the middle of everything. They'll pull right behind the backing truck. The 1423 01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:38,560 beeper's going off. I got signs saying trucks first. and it's dealing with the 1424 01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:43,119 public and that transfer station has become very difficult. So, we're having 1425 01:53:40,639 --> 01:53:47,440 to make some moves and I've talked to you about it and we we're going to have 1426 01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:53,360 to make some changes to protect the public and that that involves recycling, 1427 01:53:51,199 --> 01:53:57,119 a convenient drop off site instead of going into the transfer station. There's 1428 01:53:55,440 --> 01:54:00,243 a lot of people that come out with trailers now can't buy 1429 01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:04,159 » right [laughter] 1430 01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:07,679 » and we've talked about >> I'm going to shut up. I thought I said 1431 01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:11,199 while we go I was going to shut up this we've talked a little bit about just so 1432 01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:13,840 people understand and then we'll we'll wrap this whole thing up. 1433 01:54:13,344 --> 01:54:16,639 » [clears throat] >> One of the things we're we're dealing 1434 01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:21,599 with is the dump station and when we have like tornadoes or we have uh you 1435 01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:25,360 know problems like that you know Claremore is bringing some of their 1436 01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:29,440 stuff out to our br whatever the tornado that came through we've got debris trees 1437 01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:33,840 when we had the father's day storm all those trees that adds up and so one of 1438 01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:38,480 the things that Bill was looking at what last month middle of last month 1439 01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:42,239 » was a was a machine it was basically what there were eight of them in the 1440 01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:47,599 United States you said but it pulverizes those those trees down into literally 1441 01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:50,880 mulch. We watched chunks of concrete go through there without even dogging it 1442 01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:55,280 down. But that's an expense. But the idea there is is that that would allow 1443 01:54:52,400 --> 01:55:00,320 us to to take, you know, all of that debris and compound it and basically 1444 01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:02,800 extend the life of that that area out there. 1445 01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:05,920 » You know, there there's a lot of things like that that are being looked at. No 1446 01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:09,440 decisions have been made on that yet, but uh that that would be another huge 1447 01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:13,199 investment that we would be able to use for those those kind of things. So, you 1448 01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:18,639 know, there's a lot going on. I'm grateful for for my trash being taken 1449 01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:22,800 out uh when my son decides to get it to the curb. I appreciate that. Um but, you 1450 01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:27,520 know, we uh >> Well, if you look if you look at the at 1451 01:55:24,639 --> 01:55:33,599 the paper you gave us, you are half the price of the cheapest 1452 01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:39,840 » uh anywhere around. So, the leasing that land out there has helped prior 1453 01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:46,000 immensely. Well, the agreement was $200 a month to lease that land. 1454 01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:50,880 » And there were so many situations where picking up the trash downtown, you know, 1455 01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:54,560 we make sure we pick that up before the traffic ever starts 1456 01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:58,880 » before we don't interfere in the in downtown traffic. If there's a parade, 1457 01:55:57,360 --> 01:56:03,679 those cans are full. >> And so there's there's a lot of things. 1458 01:56:01,199 --> 01:56:09,599 I mean, we take care of mud. Uh there's a lot of things that we do 1459 01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:11,960 that I live here. >> I mean [snorts] 1460 01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:18,560 I'm 7 almost 73 years old. I spent almost as old as Bruce 1461 01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:21,599 » almost. [laughter] >> Terry, you had a call. 1462 01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:27,199 » Let me ask one more question. >> Sure. 1463 01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:32,000 » Can I get a current city of fire map? >> Yeah. So we can get that for you. Um, 1464 01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:35,360 and then just, you know, to everybody while we're on that, remember that all 1465 01:56:33,599 --> 01:56:38,239 records requests do not go through Jay. They actually go through Hannah's 1466 01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:40,639 office. So, if you've got one, make sure you're hitting her up for that so that 1467 01:56:39,679 --> 01:56:44,400 she can >> she can she can go there. 1468 01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:46,960 » Be very helpful. I 1469 01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:49,199 » And that's per Hannah's request intentionally. We just didn't 1470 01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:53,679 » sir >> in the past whenever there was annexing 1471 01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:59,040 we were notified that this area had been annexed in 1472 01:56:55,360 --> 01:57:05,520 » and that's how we adjusted to what we need to do right 1473 01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:09,199 now. We don't we went on Google map and it's not clear exactly where the city 1474 01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:15,520 limit >> well the concern came from multiple 1475 01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:18,800 complaints that I had received and so uh I don't know I think a lot of it boils 1476 01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:24,400 down to communication >> and you know this council can change up 1477 01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:31,360 to 50% every every year and so we have contracts from 1989 or 2000 whenever 1478 01:57:27,599 --> 01:57:36,480 whenever they started and you know the frust frustrating part is you want to be 1479 01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:41,199 able to take people at their at face value. And when you don't think you can 1480 01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:45,679 do that, then you're stuck for 24 to 48 hours pilering through everything 1481 01:57:42,639 --> 01:57:51,360 yourself. And by the way, I I apologize. That's me. I was responding to Jay's 1482 01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:55,280 emails that she had already sent out. It was I didn't mean to just strictly go to 1483 01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:58,639 her like that, just out of the blue, but she had sent stuff out and I said, "Oh, 1484 01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:01,920 hey, by the way, this Oh, hey." and it just got out of hand. So, I apologize 1485 01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:05,440 for that. But anyway, >> Terry, you had you were explaining 1486 01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:09,119 everything that you did. >> You know, one thing that I was going 1487 01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:14,480 when Terry Terry's been working on the museum, 1488 01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:18,480 » you call me, we come, we set dumpsters, whatever we need to do to help you 1489 01:58:16,719 --> 01:58:24,239 improve that building and stuff like that. So, it's it's a partnership, guys. 1490 01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:27,487 » That's what boils down to partnership. >> You're absolutely right. 1491 01:58:25,119 --> 01:58:29,507 » And the partnership is on this. [laughter] 1492 01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:35,679 I I've had a relationship with Bill for almost 38 years now. We served on the 1493 01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:39,119 city council together and we went through a trash contract back that time 1494 01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:43,760 period, too. >> Bill has been nothing but had the best 1495 01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:46,639 interest of this community >> in his heart back then when he was on 1496 01:58:45,599 --> 01:58:51,440 the council >> when he was getting involved in this 1497 01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:55,119 trash business. And I there is no doubt in my mind that builds more is 100% 1498 01:58:54,239 --> 01:58:58,639 prior. >> Amen. [clears throat] 1499 01:58:56,239 --> 01:59:01,440 » People can re When you're dealing with the public, 1500 01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:05,840 you're going to make mistakes. People's going to get upset. 1501 01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:12,000 » You get people get bad reps and everything, but Bill Endsmore is 1502 01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:15,040 top-notch in my opinion. I've got had a really good report with him like he had 1503 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:21,760 said on that and I've had some issues with I some of y'all don't know this but 1504 01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:26,960 we've had city trash dumpsters that have been at city buildings that I've noticed 1505 01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:30,719 that have completely rusted out and the trash and garbage is just licking 1506 01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:33,520 through it. All it took was a text message or a phone call to Bill and 1507 01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:36,800 said, "Can you all replace this dumpster?" And he had it done with this 1508 01:59:35,599 --> 01:59:39,119 within an hour. >> Right. 1509 01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:43,199 » And and I've got his cell phone number. I'm sure he would privately give it to 1510 01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:48,880 any of you all if you had a complaint to call him up and just simply say, "Bill, 1511 01:59:46,719 --> 01:59:51,679 this neighborhood out here didn't get their trash service twice a week. Can 1512 01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:55,920 you fix that?" And I'm sure he would say, "Yes, he would." 1513 01:59:52,639 --> 02:00:00,000 » I agree. and and and I know that I've had some problem. There's some elderly 1514 01:59:57,679 --> 02:00:03,920 folks up in the northwest part of town had some problems about a year or two 1515 02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:07,840 ago and complained about the an elderly lady that couldn't get her trash picked 1516 02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:12,560 up out the she couldn't take it out to the curb. He called her, I called him, 1517 02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:16,400 he had it taken care of and she was very happy within just about 30 minutes or 1518 02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:21,040 so. And I think it was on a Saturday if I remember right. But uh but anyway, 1519 02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:25,119 that being said, thank you for coming up here and explaining that. I appreciate 1520 02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:28,159 you and Jimmy what you did. I've always said that you've got to know and 1521 02:00:26,639 --> 02:00:33,040 understand the past to help plan for the future and giving us a background on how 1522 02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:37,679 all this came about. I think it's very vital to us. That being said, I just 1523 02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:42,960 have one more question. I have a question. The issue came [laughter] up 1524 02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:47,199 in the issue that it came up in in May of 2022 about the fuel adjustment. 1525 02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:52,719 » Yes. >> And I tried to find some documentation 1526 02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:58,480 on that online. the website. A lot of stuff's gone from back then. I had to go 1527 02:00:55,199 --> 02:01:06,560 back to the the paper and it had mentioned back then in the paper that if 1528 02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:10,960 the fuel fell below, I believe $3.50 a gallon for diesel fuel, then things 1529 02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:15,199 would be relooked at again. >> Well, we've had that on and fuel is way 1530 02:01:13,199 --> 02:01:19,360 down now. So, what is this? What is the policy and the plan for that? 1531 02:01:17,199 --> 02:01:24,880 » What is it? I can answer that way. [laughter] 1532 02:01:22,639 --> 02:01:28,880 » So when we met back then >> everybody uh of course diesel prices 1533 02:01:27,199 --> 02:01:34,000 prices were really high. So the way the structure was set out is if and I'm if 1534 02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:38,960 it's between the 30-day average I'll go on whenever 1535 02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:43,679 I'm setting the fuel cost adjustments. I'll go on the um 1536 02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:48,719 » AAA and hit up the Tulsa website look at the 30-day average print that off. If 1537 02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:55,920 it's between $2 and $3, it's 3%. No, sorry. Two and $3 is 4%. If the 30-day 1538 02:01:52,719 --> 02:02:03,520 average is between No, $2 to $3 4% $3 to $4 6% 4 to5 8%. 1539 02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:06,239 Anything over five, we're going to relook at it because at that time, 1540 02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:10,880 everybody knows that the prices were through the roof. And honestly, it's 1541 02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:16,480 this is the first month it's been under $3 in 30 days for quite some time. So 1542 02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:19,280 it'll be at 4%. >> Yeah. 1543 02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:22,800 » So it is fluctuating. >> It fluctuates. Yeah. It hasn't been 1544 02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:28,960 » It's been It's kind of been like a flat line 6%, but normally it's 4%. But um 1545 02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:32,480 » I was going to say, mayor, not a big fan of social media and surveys because 1546 02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:37,520 you're going to get people that don't even live here. That's going to hit 1547 02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:42,560 them. So, what I would say is if you can wait a couple months, if you guys could 1548 02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:46,639 come up with a little survey, you can put them in our bill. If you print them 1549 02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:49,440 off and then I'll call the mailer and say, "Hey, put this in our bill. Deliver 1550 02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:53,119 them to Tulsa." >> We'll do that. 1551 02:02:50,159 --> 02:02:56,159 » But I'm just going to be let you know if I send out 5,000 bills, you might get 1552 02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:58,880 300 returns. >> Yeah. 1553 02:02:56,639 --> 02:03:01,920 » So, you're >> we'll get something together. But and 1554 02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:05,440 then if there's any cost that's associated because normally one sheet of 1555 02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:08,320 paper doesn't cost anything because I'm already somebody's already printing it 1556 02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:11,520 out. What cost me is printing it and getting it delivered. So 1557 02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:14,159 » well that'll be more people than both. So 1558 02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:17,840 » I I think if if you guys print them out and if there's any additional costs that 1559 02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:22,560 are added on I don't think because this is huge for the city because 1560 02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:27,360 » I mean we're the only one like Bill said in Oklahoma that does twice a week, 1561 02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:31,920 right? I mean, and it's it's great, don't get me wrong, but it's hard on 1562 02:03:29,599 --> 02:03:35,440 them. So, but our bills have already start go 1563 02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:38,880 start started going out now for zone one's closed out. We got zone two and 1564 02:03:36,719 --> 02:03:43,119 three. So, you be receiving your March one bills. So, you actually we wouldn't 1565 02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:45,920 be able to put it in until the middle of March. So, when you start getting that, 1566 02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:50,080 so that's when your April 1 bills are due and we'll start collecting them and 1567 02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:55,760 then we'll ship them down to you and you guys can do your little statistics and 1568 02:03:52,639 --> 02:03:59,440 go there. But, you know, I'm just saying >> we'll put something together. 1569 02:03:56,800 --> 02:04:03,119 » Don't expect a lot of stuff because I send bills out stuff about every about 1570 02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:05,199 three years on natural gas awareness and ask questions and surveys and all that. 1571 02:04:04,639 --> 02:04:09,440 And >> it's a rule of 20%, right? 1572 02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:14,000 » It's less than 10%. >> It's like six to eight. But yeah, just 1573 02:04:11,199 --> 02:04:16,880 get with Jose and I'll let them know. And um but yeah, 1574 02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:20,800 » get it. >> Facebook, social media surveys are 1575 02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:22,880 » all right. >> Mayor. 1576 02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:29,280 » Yes, sir. I think with the way the motion is 1577 02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:32,400 that if we go ahead and pass that that we can get all of our facts and figures 1578 02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:36,560 together. Everybody can look at what they want to and get this on the 1579 02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:37,599 » Yeah. So, we take a vote for no action tonight. 1580 02:04:37,119 --> 02:04:42,239 » Yeah. >> And you guys see where we're at with it. 1581 02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:43,840 So, uh that said, let's call for the vote. 1582 02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:47,199 » Traml, >> yes. 1583 02:04:45,426 --> 02:04:48,719 [laughter] >> Yes. 1584 02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,159 » Smith, >> yes. 1585 02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:52,480 » Mark, >> yes. Shopire, 1586 02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:54,560 » yes. >> Bradshaw, 1587 02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:56,719 » yes. Bashers, >> yes. 1588 02:04:55,920 --> 02:05:01,201 » Tyler, >> yes. 1589 02:04:57,440 --> 02:05:01,201 » Thank you, Bill. [laughter] 1590 02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:10,880 » Charles, I appreciate your fine. >> All right. Uh, item six, committee 1591 02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:13,119 reports. Thank you, Bill. Budget and personnel. 1592 02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:19,320 » Thank you. >> You want Thanks, Bill. Did you tell 1593 02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:22,080 » Shire? >> Yes. 1594 02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:25,080 » Budget and personnel >> 10th. 1595 02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:30,480 » All right. Uh ordinance insurance >> 331 1596 02:05:29,966 --> 02:05:34,960 [clears throat] >> and street maintenance 1597 02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:38,400 » next Tuesday the 24th. >> Do you still need uh infrastructure 1598 02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:40,501 there? >> Yes. [snorts] 1599 02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:46,560 » Specifically Dale or can we do Charles? Does it matter? 1600 02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:48,159 » Probably doesn't matter. >> Okay, [snorts] we can talk about that 1601 02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:50,320 later. >> Yeah. 1602 02:05:48,639 --> 02:05:52,639 » Uh I don't have any unforeseeable business. Do I have a motion to adjurnn? 1603 02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:55,199 » Motion. >> Second. 1604 02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:58,520 » I got a motion from Choya and a second from Brashier. 1605 02:05:59,199 --> 02:06:02,560 » Call for the vote. >> Steve, 1606 02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:04,880 » uh yes. >> Smith, 1607 02:06:03,199 --> 02:06:06,239 » yes. >> Yes. 1608 02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:07,440 » Shshire, >> yes. 1609 02:06:06,719 --> 02:06:08,639 » Bradshaw, >> yes. 1610 02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:10,480 » Bashers, >> yes. 1611 02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:11,679 » Tyler, >> yes. 1612 02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:17,800 » Traml, >> yes. 1613 02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:17,800 seconds. We're journed. 1614 02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:23,280 » Next, >> public works. 1615 02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:27,840 » Well, you know what? I was excited. All right, we'll call to order. I'm 1616 02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:31,679 » skipping numbers. Missing. All right, call to order the prior public works 1617 02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:35,599 authority. Approve the minutes of this February 3rd. 1618 02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:38,000 » 2026 meeting. >> Motion. 1619 02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:44,800 » We could keep it down a little bit, please. I have a motion from Troy and a 1620 02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:48,960 second from Steve. Call for the vote. >> Did you say Steve? 1621 02:06:46,079 --> 02:06:50,719 » Steve B. >> Steven Brown. 1622 02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:52,880 » Fifth. >> Yes. 1623 02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,000 » Lamar, >> yes. 1624 02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:55,199 » Shire, >> yes. 1625 02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:56,320 » Bradshaw, >> yes. 1626 02:06:55,599 --> 02:06:58,159 » Rasher, >> yes. 1627 02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:59,679 » Tyler, >> yes. 1628 02:06:58,719 --> 02:07:01,119 » Laml, >> yes. 1629 02:07:00,159 --> 02:07:04,320 » Steve, >> yes. 1630 02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:08,480 » Approve claims for purchase orders for the Prior Public Works Authority through 1631 02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:11,119 February 17th, 2026. >> Motion. 1632 02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:15,800 » Motion from Bashers and a second from >> Choya. Mhm. 1633 02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:15,800 » Call for the vote. 1634 02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:18,639 » Lamar, >> yes. 1635 02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:19,920 » Shire, >> yes. 1636 02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:21,360 » Brad, >> yes. 1637 02:07:20,639 --> 02:07:23,119 » Shears, >> yes. 1638 02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:24,239 » Tyler, >> yes. 1639 02:07:23,679 --> 02:07:25,840 » Shaml, >> yes. 1640 02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:27,360 » Steve, >> uh, yes. 1641 02:07:26,800 --> 02:07:31,440 » Smith, >> yes. 1642 02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:33,840 » Um, do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion. 1643 02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:36,560 » Motion from Steve and a second from Brashiers. 1644 02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:41,360 » You can call for that vote when you're ready. 1645 02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:42,880 » Baseball games. Shire, 1646 02:07:42,159 --> 02:07:44,960 » yes. >> Bradshaw, 1647 02:07:43,599 --> 02:07:46,560 » yes. >> Yes. 1648 02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:48,480 » Tyler, >> yes. 1649 02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:50,320 » Yes. >> Steve, 1650 02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:51,360 » yes. >> Smith, 1651 02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:52,800 » yes. >> Amar, 1652 02:07:52,079 --> 02:07:58,280 » yes. >> Done. 1653 02:07:54,159 --> 02:07:58,280 » You need to give some back.