before you get out of here.
» Sorry, I didn't mean to startle you. All right, we're going to go ahead and call
this meeting to order. Um, I have asked the wonderful councilwoman Bradshaw to
give us give us our prayer and pledge. Please stand.
» Let's pray. Heavenly Father, we come before you today and we just thank you
for your goodness. We thank you for your grace. We thank you for um all that you
give us and all the blessings that we have and and where we live and um and
this ability to be able to meet here peacefully tonight. And so God, we just
pray over this agenda. We ask that you give us wisdom as we discuss all of
these things that we have before us today. And God, that you just continue
to to bless each of us in this room and um to continue to um be with this
community because we know that you're for prayer as just as well as you are
for each of us. It's in your name we pray. Amen.
» Attention, salute, pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
» Thank you. If we could uh please have roll call.
» Lamar >> here.
» Shire here. >> Bradshaw here. Rashers
» here. Brown >> here.
» Traml >> here.
» Brown >> here.
» Smith >> here. Okay.
» Um, I have one petition from the audience and that is Miss Charlene
Kendrick. >> Did you?
» That's perfectly fine. >> Split our five minutes.
» That's all right. >> Okay. Thank you for giving us this time.
My name is Barbara Drum and I'm representing the Prior Creek Sertoma
Club and we are sponsoring the 76th anniversary
of the Certoma Miss Maize County Scholarship Pageant will be held
Saturday, March 7th at 6 PM at the Ara Performing Arts Center. The pageant this
year will award over $5,000 in scholarships to help the contestants
pursue their educational goals. Tickets are available at eventbrite.com.
We want to invite all of you to attend. Bring a friend and help us in
celebrating these girls and s supporting the work that Sirtoma does for seniors
in the Maize County area. And now I'll turn this over to Richard, our
president. Thank you. >> Hey, some of you know me. I'm Richard,
» president of the STOMA Club and the senior citizen. This is my second
goound. We do a lot of things that you don't know about. We have free
transportation. We have a van that runs every day taking people all over town
free. We serve free meals. We have healthc care. We have bingo. We have all
this stuff going on. And our mission was and it still is
the seniors and the city of prayer. We couldn't make it without city of prior.
We I thank you personally for each one of you because so over the years you
have supported us backed us give us things when we needed it and it's just
been a real blessing to us through this. So we are going on with this our
mission. This is the 76th year for this passion. Each one of you need to be
there and have a get a ticket. You better get there early because they're
selling out. I couldn't get the pulse. Somebody bought them all [laughter]
the papers. I mean, it's really getting really getting excited. The city of
Prior is getting excited about what's going on in Prior. It's time. Tires.
Prior's been a secret for too many years.
» I moved here in 70, started a business in 70. So, I've been here for I've seen
it way before Google even thought about this place. But anyway, we thank you and
we thank them the pulse. They put something on the front page. It has
never happened that I know of. It's awesome. It's was wonderful. I can
see the excitement going on. Anyway, I don't have any more to talk with. Thank
you. >> Thank you.
» Thank you. You >> Thank you.
We appreciate that.
» All right, we're going to [sighs] move on to the consent agenda. Um,
» we are going to kind of jump around a little bit. I'm going to request any
items that need to be pulled. I'm gonna pull E, obviously.
Okay. Okay. If there's none other, then we will get a motion to approve A
through I with the exception of E. >> Motion.
» Second. >> Okay. Call for vote.
» Lamar, >> yes.
» Shopire, >> yes.
» Bradshaw, >> yes.
» Shears, >> yes.
» Tyler, >> yes.
» Traml, >> yes.
» Steve, >> yes.
» Smith, >> yes. Okay. Um, MUB is wrapping up their
their meeting right now and Jared had asked to come up for item E. So, we'll
give them a few minutes. We'll jump down to the mayor's report.
[clears throat] Item A, discussion and possible action
to accept a bid in the amount of 312,336 from Yamaha Golf Cart Company for the
purchase of 60 new golf carts, three utility carts at the prior uh Creek Golf
Course in the best interest of the city. One other bid was received from Clear
Creek Golf Car and Utility Vehicles in the amount of 237345.
» Motion. >> Motion from Choya.
» Second. >> Second from uh for Shears.
Discussion. [clears throat]
» Did they say why they wanted the Yamaha over Clear Creek?
» Um we've got Dennis here. So, we're gonna we're gonna
» And also one other thing, uh, is it what's the account number that would be
associated with this purchase? >> That was 41451.
» 41541. >> Yes.
» Those memorized. >> Just deal with the one.
» What was that again? >> Yes, we do. [laughter]
Well, the first clarification on it all is none of this is coming from tax
dollars. Correct. >> Correct. The golf course, where does the
golf course get its income? >> Sorry,
» it's revenue. The golf course gets its revenue from what?
» It's income. Yeah, we generate our own income and and we pay all of our
expenses out of our revenue. We generate and we do all our capital expenditures
out of that. >> All right. Well, I just had a lot of
questions about it. So, >> yeah,
» I just wanted to make that. >> Sure. Absolutely. [snorts]
But go ahead with the the bid the bids the difference between the two.
» So uh the golf course has been very successful
with what we've been doing out there. But uh the difference in the bids is
club car bid their cart. Yamaha bid their topofthe line cart which is a
quiet tech cart. So that's what we have right now.
And when we went from electric to gas, you know, the board wanted a quiet cart.
They didn't want a loud cart out there. So, because, you know, you got bunch of
carts. So, that's why we went with the uh Yamaha the last time. So, uh,
[snorts] we we we speced
to I guess the engineer, he kind of changed the specs the way he wanted to,
which Yamaha could have bid a less quality cart, didn't have the quiet
technology on it, but they didn't do that because that's not what we our
interest was at the time. So, the park board, they're the ones that made the
decision. And I told them, it's totally up to them. It doesn't matter to me
either way. I want to have new [snorts] carts. I need carts. I've got a lot of
tournaments coming up. And every tournament, I think I got two to three
in March and it's probably going to 60 carts versus 50 is going to generate
another thousand dollars a day. So, it can, you know, it's going to really
increase. I know uh [clears throat] and and Bernie's here with Club Car. He
can probably answer any Club Cars. From my studies, Yamaha is about 25% more
fuel efficient. So, that's a quite
» we be trading in any of these. >> Yes, we're trading in all of ours.
» Our 50 carts would get traded in. >> So, does that take anything off the bid
amount for 135,000? >> Yeah.
» And that was interesting. Both >> Club Car and Yamaha had come up with the
same freight in price for our carts. So what would the fi So the final amount
would be under 200 but what about the amount from clear creek
» that is the final >> clear creek is 237
» this amount has the >> the original was 447 for
» 37 yeah >> so what's the difference in decibels
[clears throat] >> the noise difference
you know uh I think it's about from 60 to 70 which is what they say has being
in kind of a quiet room to being in a very loud room.
» To be real honest with you, I'm not trying to be anyway right here, but
» I've got a decibel meter running right here and us talking in here is bumping
70, >> right?
» So, it couldn't be terribly loud. It's not like running a chainsaw or
something. >> No, but problem is what it is.
» Two or three carts in a group. And like I said, the park board, they're the ones
that made this decision. And uh we I did have club car. They were nice enough to
bring a card out in in Yamaha and you could hop in them and see the
difference. And >> several of the park board members did.
» So I've got a few questions.
» Um [clears throat]
why weren't was not as the department head? Why is the bid packet and specs
not in our packet to study for this consideration tonight? Several other
department heads when they make big purchases in our packet, we always have
the information about that in detail. Why was we not included in this this
time? >> I think that's been put out in the past
and it just wasn't included this time. So, okay, it's all been on Jay's desk or
[clears throat] all of those >> have been and always will be. So, okay.
uh [clears throat]
other than what is your real justification? Well, let me ask this.
What's the pros and cons? And then what is your justification of why should we
should go with something that's 75 approximately $75,000 higher?
» The uh it's it's a park board made decision, not me. So the I would think
» but for the better the best interest of the city
» right >> government the city
» right I understand >> government what's what's why the Yamaha
over that what's the >> I also don't think it's fair for you to
put this on the park board I think that I remember watching the meetings where
you were advocating one for the Yamaha strong the other so I don't think it's
fair to put it on the backs of the parkboard
» they're trying to use your recommendation but
» right I'm going to explain it y >> so
we have the Yamaha quiet tech. Now, like I said, we went with the quiet tech. We
could have went with the less expensive Yamaha cart long time ago. We went to
quiet tech because we wanted the quiet noise out there, and it's a noticeable
difference. Uh that's why we brought the carts up here for everybody to try out.
And uh so I think I emailed everybody, got an email to try it. So that that's a
big difference. [clears throat] Uh Yamaha does get 25% more better fuel
economy. We did a test on it. uh not the recent test, but the last time we did a
test and it was a noticeable amount. And I called a guy today in Arkansas and he
says for him it's a huge savings of fuel efficiency. He's had both. I haven't had
I haven't had the club car. So, uh I have drove them before, but I have never
had one that we that we managed a fleet of. So,
» club cars are also aluminum framed, right?
» Yeah, club cars are aluminum framed. They're a little bit lighter. He can
tell you more about the club car than I can, but uh you know,
far as I know, the benefit, you know, we trade our cars off every five years or
so anyway. So, we've never had a frame issue where it was easy to go or Yamaha.
You know, we don't keep them long enough. Now, if you as a homeowner, you
want to keep one for 20 years, I think it's probably a huge benefit to have
aluminum frame, especially if you have batteries with [cough]
and [clears throat] everything. But now they even have the uh the other
batteries so you don't have to deal with the acid problems.
» Who which one has the higher resale value?
» Well, if again you're not comparing apples to apples, but the the the Yamaha
Quiet Tech from when it's really hard to go online
and find, hey, compare this apple to that apple. And but I talked to a guy
today. says Yamaha's about $1,000 more if it's a quiet tech. I don't know. It's
really hard to It's hard to say. >> Well, I watched the park board meeting
and I thought there was disc I could I'm pretty positive there was some
discussion that that uh it was ma mentioned I thought by you but maybe one
of the park board members that the club car had a higher resale value.
» I haven't seen that myself. >> I believe the mayor spoke about that
meetings. >> You do a if you do a Google search and
you put in the two models. >> All right. Jim and I will tell you that.
» And was the park board how many how many members was president of the park board
meeting? >> I think just four
» and not the whole group, >> right?
» Why did they not want to put this off until the majority or everybody was
there? >> We're running out of time. I've got a
lot of events coming up and you know that's that's a big thing. We started
this back in I think June. >> Was it was it unanimous?
» Uh no. I think uh we had one no vote and three yeses. Mhm.
» Okay. >> Mr. Bowman, my observation this whole
thing is for $70,000 you can give everybody a set of earplugs
» and a lot of cash. >> Yeah. [laughter]
Yeah. >> That's
» I think it's foolish to waste $70,000 just because of brand name.
» Well, it's noise. I mean, how bad is noise on a golf course you're out in the
country, >> right?
» You're really worried about noise, you got electric ones anyway.
Yeah, the uh and it's not $70,000. You have to take in the the 25% fuel
savings, which is my calculations over the five years would be about 28 to
$30,000 of fuel savings. >> Well, I think if I read right, 80% of
the golf carts in Oklahoma are electric. >> Yeah. So, if you want to save money and
be quiet, let's get electric and forget gasoline ones. But right now, we're
talking about gasoline ones. And I think we need to have the cheaper one, not the
more expensive one. That'd be kind of foolish.
[snorts] >> And it, like I said, it doesn't really
matter to me if that's the direction y'all want to go. I mean, I perfectly
understand. And, you know, it's we we've had a good deal going. We made good
money out there. Uh, we've had good response from our customers with what
we've been doing with the carts and stuff. So, but we want to change.
I'm all good with it. Well, let me ask this. Because of the [clears throat] the
large price difference, what further projects
could be could an extra 70 or so grand give or take?
» Yeah, I told [clears throat] the park board, yeah, we could buy the GPS system
for that, you know. >> Well, any other improvements, repairs,
upgrades, the any anything on the golf course. How much what could be I know
we've done a lot out there. >> Yeah, we have a a whole list of capital
improvements and a priority list. So, uh,
» it's kind of a perpetual thing. It's >> Yeah. Yeah.
» There's always going to be >> Yeah.
» So, you just mentioned GPS. Uh, are they are you going to purchase GPS event?
» Yeah, we we'd like to purchase GPS uh after we figure out which carts we go
with. >> What would that game for a golfer? You
know, we get a lot of out of town people, so the GPS provides them a map
of where they're going, and it shows them the yardages on the hole. Uh, you
know, wherever you're at, it gives them the distances to the flag. Uh,
» I'm I'm going to show my ignorance here, which is really not that hard to do, but
I'm going to show it anyway. Uh, can you get an app on your phone to do the same
thing? >> Yeah, on the GPS you can. Okay. The
» biggest thing it does for us on the at in the golf pro shop to to regulate the
carts is one when it's cart pass only. We we set up a geo fencing and you can
keep the carts on the path. So even though you tell people it's car pass
only and they get off and they get through the mud and they create problem
areas. >> Okay.
» So uh there there's a lot of control. It gives us more control knowing where the
carts at. You know, sometimes golfers will hop from hole 13 back to four or
something, you know, that they hop around. There's a there's a little bit
of control there. Uh most all the area golf courses are have went to GPS
systems. I know Claremore does, Wasau does. It it's it's really a a good
feature. >> It does a lot more than just
» Iso and Claremore a municipal owned golf course or private? Uh both of them are
municipal own. Well, Claremore is like half county and half
city and then AASO is uh municipal.
» We don't have GPS's now, right? >> No, that's something we haven't added.
That would be another >> around lost all the time on the golf
course running over each other. [laughter]
» Is that something you charge extra? >> Running over each It's something that we
could raise our prices for because it's a it's a nicer amenity
» to pay for the >> right.
» Okay. >> I'll speak on behalf of the GPS's. It it
does help keep pace of play on track. >> Um which is a huge problem. Yeah. And
» I get it. Golf's a luxury, but when you're going out there, you don't want
to spend five and a half, six hours playing around of golf. And being able
to follow the people around, it it does help keep them on track for that. And it
does keep them out of areas that you don't want them to go in because it will
the cart will die. You have to put it in reverse. It's it's an inconvenience. You
you learn to start playing where you're supposed to play or driving where you're
supposed to drive. You may not play where you're supposed to, but drive
where you're supposed to drive. >> It gives the pro shop total control of
the carts. It'll send messages if somebody's playing too slow or if they
break down, they can send messages to the shop. You know, it's a lot of lot of
good communication. So, I guess my question then is, is that something if
you go with the Yamahas, is the GPS going to have to wait then or if you get
the um other car, would you be able to go and get it and then I mean I guess
it's Would you be able to get this either way?
» I I think so. That's from That's the way the park board was talking that they
would probably want to do it either way. >> Either way.
» I Googled the decibels. It's [clears throat] 60 and a half on the
quiet tech for the Yamaha and it said around 90 for the club car.
» What was that first one?
» Mhm. >> That's what it said. I don't
» know.
» See, we didn't get those though.
» On the club car. >> Okay. So they're comparable.
» As far as the fuel consumption goes, they both get 45 miles.
» So there's not a 25% advantage. >> And at the meeting, Dennis, you said,
and you said it again a while ago, that you really doesn't really matter to you.
» It does not matter. >> As long as you get some new golf carts.
» Yes, sir. Yes. I, you know, I'm going to have new golf carts and we get 60 of
them, we're going to be >> Who had the motion?
» I did. Do you want to >> I'll change my motion and go with the uh
with the club cars >> and I'll change the second.
[snorts]
» What's the estimated delivery? >> Oh, you're you're
» very good. [snorts]
» So that's 60 and three, right? I'm sorry.
» 60 and three 60 carts and three utility carts.
» Yes, sir. >> Okay.
» And I have one question. We said we're not bidden apples to apples or we or
have we're comparing apples to oranges. Typically, when we send something out
for bid, it should be apples to apples. So, what got what is different in these
two to say that they're not comparable? I guess
» what's different is [clears throat]
Yamaha bid their higherend cart which is a quiet tech. They have a a lesser cart
that they could have bid that's doesn't have the quiet technology on it and is
louder and so >> so basically what you're saying it's
like bidding a Ford versus a Lincoln >> probably like
» Yeah. >> They all got [clears throat] the same
back. >> Okay.
» Yeah. But the the main difference we're talking about is noise level. Is that in
in the difference in the carts? >> I think so.
» Yeah. >> Okay.
For me, that's a hard sale to the citizens for even though it's capital
money from your all's account, like it's hard to say that that 75,000 is better
spent um [snorts]
on here. [laughter]
» Hey, I got a new I got enough frier stickers. We can label them up.
» You can do that. >> Yeah. [snorts]
» Got to get them marked. So, we have a motion change and a
second. >> Yes.
» Yep. >> Call for the vote. We'll call for the
vote. Yep. >> Shire.
» Yes. >> Yes.
» Yes. >> Tyler,
» yes. >> Traml,
» yes. >> Steve,
» yes. >> Smith,
» yes. >> Lamar,
» yes. >> Okay. 60 golf carts. Some golf carts.
» Awesome. Thank you. Item B,
discussion and possible action to accept a lease purchase quote for 60 new golf
carts and three utility carts for a 48-month term. Quotes received Bank of
Commerce at a rate of 3.98% and RCB at a rate of 4.48%.
Do >> you have a motion?
» I'll make it. I >> have a motion from Troy and a second
from Charles. Discussion.
» Yes, I have a question. Yes, [snorts] >> these interest rates and the number of
the institutions that bid is completely different than what was approved at a
part board meeting a couple of months ago. What what's why the change in why
is bank left off and why have they changed? Because one is now the lower
bidder, >> right,
» that wasn't before. So we had to go back out for different rates because those
numbers had changed from the last time with the duration
» and their bids had expired. >> Okay, I understand that and I know
fluctuation but I just for clarification,
» right? >> It was different than what the part
board had >> think I can't remember which ones it
was. So one of them had 30 days, one had 60 days but they it was already past all
that time >> and they were only like a couple
hundreds of percent off of each other too. So right
» that's a thank you. Further discussion.
» Right. Call for the vote. >> Yes. Shears.
» Yes. >> Tyler.
» What is the motion? What are we approving
» as written? Which which one? >> The Bank of Commerce.
» Okay. Thank you. That's what I was. >> Yes.
» Traml. >> Yes.
» Steve. >> Abstain.
» Smith. >> Yes. Lamar,
» yes. >> Shopire,
» yes. Thank you. Is Jared out there in the
hallway? Okay. Item C, discussion and possible action to terminate a contract
with time clocks plus also known as TCP. Term ending March 31st, 2026. Written
notice required by contract 30 days prior to renewal.
» Can before we make a motion, can I just ask clarification? Why are we waiting on
mob representatives to discuss something that they only build for?
» Because [snorts] they asked to be a part of that and we're waiting on them to
wrap up their meeting. >> So
they just >> But why?
» Because they asked to be a part of the discussion.
» Do I have a motion for item C? >> Motion.
» Have a motion from Steve Brown. Second. Second [snorts] from Kenneth Brashier.
I'm going to hand this one over to Hannah to explain. She's done a lot of
work on this. >> Well, we're pretty excited that it's
another >> Excuse me.
» Thank you. >> It's another uh piece to the puzzle for
our payroll. Currently, we have TCP and we have to do
a lot of stuff to try to get the time over into payloity.
Um this module will give us let me let me go [clears throat] back.
Our uh contract is just about to renew March 31st. We've got to tell them
within 30 days if we're not going to go with them or or we've
messed up. So in doing so we had already been talking with Ploity and so the
timing works out. pays time and labor module. It works seamlessly from there
to our payroll. I visited with um all of the department heads and I talked to
them about what it would cost to do time clocks with Payloity and then the other
options of how to clock in. So, you use their software. You clock in with a
tablet, a laptop or your phone app. It's geoenced. So, the police love that they
can geo fence it and get going. Even the golf course uses that type of stuff. I
went through and talked to all of them and they were all on board because it
does actually save their departments cash and that's what I was worried about
was causing them to have any more troubles with their cash flow. Um,
secondly, it will make payroll uh just work better and it's all going
to go across. So if you guys decide so it's going to save
us some time and it's going to save money because TCP is about 15,000
annually and this is going to run just under 10
» and it will integrate with the pay lossy stuff we already have.
» Yeah adjustments >> the time adjustment.
» So when an employee misses or when they didn't clock in or out on time,
» it'll still be a lot like what we're doing now. We have a system that we make
sure they're taken care of. >> Is it
» and the department heads make sure and watch it.
» Is it going to require a bunch of training for the employees to
» It'll be a little bit, but it's a lot like what TCP is, so it won't be too
tough on them. We've already told them that we'd go to the departments and give
them runthroughs and get together >> and it will fit with um
PD's pretty standard schedule now, but if they had a 12-hour schedule or like
the fire department's 24-hour schedule, it'll it'll go in with all of that.
» Yes, we're going to put it after the uh collective bargaining agreements are
complete. We upload those agreements and then the time is set off of those
agreements. So that's why we'd like you guys to be really set on what you decide
on so it's not so unique. >> Okay.
» So this is going to be better and cheaper, right?
» Yeah. >> That's what we're after. That's not like
a winner. >> We did bring it up in our department
head meeting this week and I'm >> I'm going to tell you every department
head was 100% behind it except for Carrie, but her her representation was
here and [laughter]
just for clarification sake. But I think it'll be a better system to integrate
with what we've what we've invested in over the last year. And so
» no earplugs required. >> Carrie, why did you boycott that
particular meter? [laughter]
» You're good. >> Zoom.
» So all right. Is there any further discussion on that? If not, we'll call
for the vote. >> Bruce,
» yes. >> Tyler,
» yes. >> Chaml,
» yes. Steve, >> yes.
» Smith, >> yes.
» Lamar, >> yes.
» Shopire, >> yes.
» Bradshaw, >> yes.
» Thank you. >> Discussion and possible action to hire
Jackson Palma Branchstead. >> What about D?
» Oh, I'm sorry. I circled D and I went right on past it. I apologize. All
right. Discussion of possible action to purchase time and labor software from
Payloity not to exceed 10,000 to be paid from general software account 022015260
to replace time clocks plus TCP. >> Motion.
» We have a motion from uh Kenneth and a second from Steve
Brown. Discussion. This is the software that goes with uh
the previous item. When I know that our contract on the last one ends March 31,
but when do are we looking at implementing this?
» I I have a call with payity if you guys approved it tomorrow to get started.
» Okay. >> So, it's probably going to be pretty
quick. >> Okay.
» Let me go ahead and call for the vote. >> Brashers,
» yes. >> Tyler,
» yes. >> Traml,
» yes. >> Steve,
» yes. >> Smith,
» yes. >> Lamar,
» yes. Shopire, >> yes.
» Bradshaw, >> yes.
» Okay. Sorry about that, guys. All right. Now, item E, discussion and possible
action to hire Jackson Palma Branchstead as B operator at the street department
range C step one to fill a vacancy created by the termination of Justin
Wallace. >> Motion.
» Second. >> We have a motion from Joya and a second
from Bradshaw. Discussion. >> Okay, we'll call for the vote.
» Tyler, >> yes. Traml,
» yes. >> Steve,
» yes. >> Smith,
» yes. >> Lamar,
» yes. >> Shire,
» yep. >> Bradshaw,
» yes. >> Rashers,
» yes. >> Okay. Um, we're going to go back up to
item E and proceed of the consent agenda. Discussion and
possible action on approval of a 3% rate increase from prior waste and recycling
LLC for all refues pickup beginning March 1st, 2026, consistent with the
mutual agreement of October 2007. Motion to discuss but no action.
» Second. >> I have a motion to discuss with no
action. Bruce, are you >> second
» as he said it? >> Okay.
» I have uh invited Dinsmore with Western Recycling and
former mayor Traml to come up and give us some background on this contract.
You guys will come on up here. Um I'm sure there'll be some questions.
» Um just give us the background on how this contract came, what it is, and why
it is the way it is. Please,
» you want to start? I'm longwinded. [laughter]
» Well, I don't really know where to begin. Um,
you know, we've kind of, uh,
you know, there's rising cost in everything we do. I mean,
last year we didn't ask for raise and then in June we got bit with a 10%
increase in disposal and usually every summer we're going to
get hit sometime with an increase. There's only three locations to go with
trash and we uh we use semi trucks to truck it. Uh we do that for several
reasons. We try to operate it's our tent to operate as efficient as we possibly
can and that take and one of the reasons why [snorts] whenever I got involved
thanks to this guy.
I had been with international trucks for over 30 years and then I went to
Freightlininer become a vocational marketing major for Oklahoma. My forte
was work trucks. Jardia, whether it's Gardier, the city of Prior, the city of
Tulsa, so forth, so on, every it was work trucks. And so the refuge industry
had changed to the point that it wasn't so much about the pickup, it was about
the transport. And why? What my when I sit down, I figure how much it costs to
transport a ton of trash a mile. Unfortunately,
where we have we used to go to the burn plant and uh that was our source of
recycling and we did it for many years and they took and burned the trash to
generate steam and create electricity. the burn plant become old, had a lot of
issues, boilers and so [clears throat] and so on. They really catered to the
city of Tulsa and they just kind of slowly pushed us out. Uh we go now to
171st Street West and we dispose there. That is one of the best locations in
Oklahoma. Uh they pull methane gas out uh run generators, power about 80 80,000
homes. Uh they're environmentally as far as DEQ's concerned, they love them
because they have a great landfield. One of the things that that I have
uh being on the council myself and chairing the sanitation department and
also the street department and whatever else Lucy get me on.
[clears throat] One of the things that we made sure of is that the city per EPA
and DEEQ is responsible for the trash from Cradle Gray. Not one year, not 10
years, not a 100 years, forever. So if there's an environmental issue, they can
come back on city of Prior. It's my responsibility to make sure that that's
legal. If you ask me where city of prior trash went,
let's say June the 20th, 2011.
I can pull documents and show you where that trash went. So, we make sure that
we uh are very efficient and we make sure that we dispose legally and
properly. Another thing is the transfer station. And I want to tell you guys
something. I bit off a there was many times I bit off more than I could chew.
That man right there knows how difficult trash business can be. And there was
days that we we started that transfer station.
[clears throat] I'm about I'm I'm dry. I'm I'm chewing too much gum. [laughter]
When I took when I started the trash business,
there was a a lot of issues with uh having trash picked up. Uh, I
tried to help for two years. The transfer station was not completed and
we to when we took over, I had to buy new equipment.
And what happened and I'm I'm going to go ahead and use a little be your
thunder. >> I could care less.
» What what happened was when this gentleman kept calling me and he said,
"We are getting bombarded with complaints." Bombarded. I've got letters
from Terry Hill, which everybody knows Terry. She wrote a letter and she said,
"We were just the the utility office was just spent tremendous amount of time
with all these complaints." And Jimmy kept after me. He wanted me to retire
and wanted to start a sanitation department. And I said, "Jimmy, you
can't do that." I said, "Transporting trash and running trucks and hiring
drivers and so forth and so on." I said that's not the city's expertise.
So, do I have five minutes? >> No, you're good.
» Okay. [laughter] >> I was hoping you were hoping.
» Yeah. But anyway, so what happened was was
that I went to Ken Prather, the CPA at the time, and prior been here for years,
and I asked Ken to sit down and work with me with the budget. And we sat down
and it whenever Bruce whenever Prior decide to contract out the rate was $757
for twice a week pickup. Whenever I took over it was $10.50.
Jimmy had done some research, found a large company that was willing
to come in here in all the trash for $16 a house. He called me. He said,
"Dinsmore, I raise these people from $1050 to $16,
they'll hang me." And one thing led to another. And I said, "Jimmy, I don't
have the financing capability of buying all new trucks."
First priority, Gary Shaml, and along with Terry and and Andy Richards, we put
together a a way of being able to borrow the money
Uh matter of fact, I paid off that loan three years ago. That transfer station
was expensive. And let me tell you about the transfer station.
Lucy Bell Schultz is one of one of the transfer station. And she w they had the
dog pound road area and it was receiving tremendous amount of complaints from DEQ
to DEQ. [snorts] We shut we shut that down and Jim Hines
built that transfer station. We had he had other areas that he was
trying to locate in. But the problem is whenever you put in a landfill or
transfer station, you have to hold up a public hearing.
And every time he found a location, people didn't want it in their backyard.
And so what happened was the old landfield
was the only place that was did not have a house within that mile. So whenever
the the notice went out and we had a public hearing, nobody attended because
nobody qualified to be within that area. The uh
landfill is a difficult place to build on and
there's only two things you can do with the landfill. You can graze cattle on it
or you can build a transfer station. You can't build a business. You can't even
bail the hay. And so what happened is we bu he built on the transfer station, but
that thing is constantly sinking, settling, and so he had to drive H beams
all the way down to the bedrock. And that transfer station is suspended,
tremendously expensive. And we are we maintained that whole area and we
cleaned it up, pulled all the the thorn trees out.
» Yes. And this and Randy Drake sprayed this for the sickle I mean thistle
because thistle you've got to control it. It's a requirement by the
agriculture department and we cleaned it up and we still are filling in holes for
where we can mow it. uh a lot of concrete, pipe and everything. And so
the landfill has been a nightmare to manage, but we do it. And basically what
we have had an agreement with uh for a long time. The activity the the things
that the city sponsors and has we charge nothing for. If the cemetery comes out
with a load of flowers and needs to throw them away, there's no charge. We
pick up the trash on Main Street on Saturday mornings at four o'clock. We
And uh Zach has called me several times. We
we we bring Lur loss for Main Street prior. Uh we've done a lot to help in a
lot of ways, but when it comes to city operation, even m we don't charge
anything for that. But anyway, I could go on. Uh it's it's been a it's been a
challenge and uh the 3% uh you know through the years uh it' be eight it'll
be 18 years come April the 8th of this year and uh we've climbed a lot of
mountains and we have a we feel like we have great service. Uh what we did was
that uh my office manager today ran a cost analysis of our surrounding towns
that have a close population and kind of shows you what
and I'll I'll turn this a little bit more in detail.
» Thank you.
» Thank you sir. Thanks.
» Thank you.
» We've been through this before, >> haven't we?
» Yeah. Thank you very much. >> Yes, we have.
I'm sorry. >> That's okay.
» Thank you. >> What that what that explains
prior is extremely unique. Twice a week pick up is almost totally
unheard of. Per contract [snorts] explains exactly how many
gallons can be set out. And they're allowed what it boils down
to. They allow four 32gallon containers and they can include two bags of leaves,
vegetation, flowers, clean out a garden to painted plants or whatever. And then
you also can have a bundle of sticks that's 4 foot long and tight. And that's
what we that's per contract since 1989. That's what we pick up. Now, to say
we're perfect, no. You know, we we don't do everything uh
perfectly. But that's that that shows you what the the trash
that is available with what people can set out within the city limits. That's
what the cost is per gallon.
And uh >> well I can tell you one thing at
Christmas time when we had family in and stuff like that and we had a whole bunch
more than what here. >> Mhm.
» There never was a word said. You just picked it up and that was it.
» Yeah. There you >> open it for you. You want me open it for
you? >> What's that?
» Oh, thank you. >> I looked at that. I thought maybe you
drank out of it and I didn't want to [laughter]
» for clarification. I well I'm still giving history take over from here.
» Okay. >> I just pretty much wanted to
you know I I I'll start that once this thing started and I council was here.
[snorts] We were at Jim Hind sanitation. He had trucks was dumping trash out on
Dog Pound Road out there. That spot out there by there's a cemetery out there
cemetery out there. Mhm. >> We'll all remember that he was dumping
trash on the ground, >> not hauling it off,
» okay? It was a bad deal. His trucks wouldn't run. He couldn't get them
running. And so we started looking because the complaints were just
unbelievable. We started looking and about places to go. DEEQ was on our
tail. Oklahoma Water Resources were on our tail. That was a floodway, which
they're putting water floodway out there. Okay. So, and So that's one
that's one of the things we started looking at. So we performed we we got a
group of guys one of them Roy Ray to go out and look at different proposals. I
wanted to bring it in house. I wanted to bring it in house. I said
let's bring it in house. So we brought Bill sold trucks. So we got price of
trucks. We went to and I think it was Clammore at that time and so we want to
see what it cost. Clammore said don't. Clamore said do not do in-house because
it'll cost you a fortune and maintenance. The other thing was I
wasn't aware of later on. You have greenhouse gases and I can't put that
with terminology. >> Yes.
» Going to and from so that was one of the things that we did when we did we looked
at this thing. We took a overall look at it and we got when $16 like Bill said I
think 16 or 17 I could be wrong was the price back and I want to say I thought
it was about 20 I don't when what year was 20 some was a price that we got we
got estimated 2007 or we got estimated for pick up trash in town and so we
started looking at this thing and so at that point in time we had the uh we had
the the like you said Lucy Bill was had looked at Jim Hines and so Jim Hines
said I can build a I can build a transfer station. Well, he started the
transfer station out there. When he started the transfer station out there,
Jim Jim was a good guy. He had no money. When he built the transfer station, I
and I'm not smart enough to know this, but but he built a building and then
when you squeeze that thing, squeeze the water out of it. Well, and so when you
squeeze the water out of it, the water was going under the ground. Well, we got
in trouble. Okay, we got in trouble back then because we had no place for that
water to go because we wanted to. I wanted to and so did Bill. We wanted to
put it in our sewage treatment facility. Well, you know what that causes? Gary
was smart enough to know that's going to cause influx in your sewage treatment
facility. So, we we stepped back a little bit. So, we went back and started
looking at this thing over. So, it and when we did that thing, I went to Bill.
We sit right there said Bill but let's see what it takes to get this thing
right because we wanted to do it have one shot to do it right and one shot on.
And so when we did Bill we Bill we started
looking at Bill said I can he went to like you said he went to the bank. Bill
Bill said I can build a transfer station. I can squeeze it. And at that
point in time he started squeezing. We started taking the stuff over to a a
trash energy plant over in Tulsa before they had to shut down stuff and that was
that was our recycling portion of recycle bank. But that since closed or
got too high. So that was what we did. But we also Bill had so we got Bill had
when I prior waste and recycling. They also had to take the separate the sewage
[snorts] the bathrooms and the water out go to the sewer over there and put this
other stuff in a tank out there to draw the water out of it. So it before you
put it in the creek. So it had to be clean. So that was part of the bid
process out there with this transfer station. The other thing about the
transfer station out there was was the thing out holes were sunk and all kinds.
If you never was out there when you was a kid, I can remember going out there
when I was a kid running around. And so that's what we So when we looked at this
thing, looked at this thing as really as a whole, we looked at it and said, "Hey,
what are we going to have to do to help him?" Because he couldn't go get he
couldn't go get the money from the bank to borrow that was going to take to fix
this thing. Okay. Okay. So, we had So, what we did back then, we get we we got
together and said, "Let's do a contract." Roy Ray was part of this
contract. If you don't remember Roy Ray, okay, Roy Ray was part of this contract.
And I my memory serves me correct. Bill doesn't know some of this stuff. Was
that we had a uh had we we had uh a three-year we had three-ear contrial
for 15 years. Okay. It's what we had with this escalation clause in it for
the simple reason that was the only way and the city had to allow bill or
privation recycling to fix that was mandatory to fix that transfer station
up. So that was the only way he could go borrow the money. And I won't say which
the the uh accountant down here in town. Everybody knows him. He's there was one
of the great accountants in town. And we had another banker in town. And that's
what that's how we we partnered with these people to make this thing happen.
And so when we partnered with it, he he bid off he bid it off. So he come to the
council one night and uh we we went out we went out for we went out for bid.
Okay? Okay. And I can tell you right now, when we went out, when we went out
for bid with this stuff right here, I'll tell you, and I probably shouldn't say
this. I'm sitting right there as mayor and Dennis Nichols was in the back and I
was offered a bribe to take contract. I told Chief Nichols, I guarantee you I I
puckered up like you can't believe because I didn't want anybody put any
money in my blue pickup because contract was that that what we wanted and what we
decided to do was we wanted to take a chance. We knew that we could recycle
and put it in town. Okay. So, we wanted to take a chance. So, we we took a
chance on prior waste and recycling doing what he said he could do. That Roy
Ray said he was a prior boy and I know his dad and and his grandpa, you know,
had a plumbing business. They're honest. So, that's why we went with this with
system. Now, the other side of this equation is is that about that time once
we started all this stuff, we got lucky. I got lucky as mayor. I got lucky. We
had an ice storm. You remember the ice storm? We had the when we had the ice
storm back then, we had no place to go with a brush. None. So, we had a guy by
the name of Fenton Rude, I think was his name. Come. Huh?
» That's it. >> He come over here and he he what he did
was he said, "I'm going to sanction the brush dump." Well, I said, "Okay, let's
sanction the brush dump for the brush." Well, I got the brainy idea. Let's just
open it up and let people just brush it, dump it in there free.
And let me tell you what, that was the biggest mistake I ever had because you
ever been to those little post holes? They got they got cris in them. They got
arsenic in them. Well, Fenton came over here and inspected it one day. And when
he did, he said, "Shut it down." DQ said, "Shut it down." And I said, "What
are we going to?" He said, "You got to clean it up. I'm going to pull your
permit because we we we that that we're the only one only place in the state of
Oklahoma that has a burn pit now like what we've got. And so he pulled he said
I'm going to pull the permit and I so I went to Bill and I said I got to have
some help. I said somebody's got to manage this brush going in there.
[clears throat] So we went to Bill and can you manage the brush going in there?
He said I can do more than that. You bring your street crew over there on
Saturday and let's separate this stuff. We were and DEQ come over and oversaw
everything that then he took it and hauled it off and that's how that that
facility started back there. Then later on the uh they come up with burn
incinerators. Okay. I didn't qualify the city didn't qualify for a burn
incinerator. Shoto got it. Well Sh burn incinerator
flopped because it didn't work. You burn down not burn up. But we're the only
facility, the only place in the state that's got a place that you can actually
burn brush. That's legal. And he he managed that process. I say all that to
say this, the contract that one of the things that we wanted to do, we looked
at this contract. We wanted to protect the citizens of Prior. That was one of
the things that we wanted to do. That's what I thought we did. So we so when the
contract come, we we got this contract through 2044.
auto renewal with through 2044 with this escalation clause in there for the
simple reason that we knew that this business is very very volatile very
competit very competitive and go out there and look at So we got through 2024
and we knew that this guy right here we trusted this guy and he get so in order
to keep his business in quarter trucks and uh people hired I I don't know he's
probably got about $2 million payroll out there now what he's probably got
close to it you haven't been out there you need to go out there but my point is
saying and it's auto renewal every five years or three years and we
did that for this reason was to protect the citizens of prior I didn't want you
Zach I didn't want you or anybody else to go through what we went through was
that trash dump and I mean it was brutal and DEEQ was going to find us there's
going to lose all of their NFIP national flood insurance we going to lose all of
that for the citizens of prior you know so that's the reason why this thing is
set up the way it is and I set it up me and I think it was uh Randy Elliot and
Ben Shear and Ken Prather and Gary Shaml. I think we all set this
thing up so he could get financing. And that's what we did. Make sure that he
was protected on financing is why we did this thing. So if anybody to blame, you
got to blame me. Then later on Zach to blame, but this contract is why we want
to make sure that that he's protected. Not only him, and I'm telling you right
now, he's getting old just like I am. And I want to make sure that whoever's
and his son's right there and his son they got enough to make sure that we're
protected to do trash service. And so the trash service is that way. If you go
out there now, they take all that brush in there and it
inspects it. It's clean. I don't know if any problems you have. You know, one of
the biggest one of the biggest things that we want to do, we also looked at
bidding uh with bidding dumpsters. Okay. And he
when we was going to look at one time go to lighter trucks and bid dumpsters.
Well, we took this we took this thing in. The citizens did not want a dumpster
for the simple reason because the dumpster wouldn't hold as much trash.
» Polycart >> as polycart wouldn't hold as much trash.
And so we had I won't say his name. So we had a guy outside of town there would
bring him in and put him in sever several several of his uh his his rental
houses and then we would you know and he didn't use water. So we passed a deal
water on trash service. We had to you had to pay for trash service. Suppose
you got water you had to pay for trash service. I say that this has been a this
has been a great partnership. Now it's a pain sometimes. It's been a
great partnership with the city citiz trash all over the state of Oklahoma is
difficult. And if you want to see something nasty, just see go over the
trash. If you go over to uh I took some took some stuff over to uh my daughter
lives at Clam. I took some stuff over to the landfill at over by American
Airlines here a while back. $40. What took me for my pickup just just to walk
in just to drive in the gate. >> I did that too. $45. $40 just just my my
pickup for so my point saying that is yeah this contract is is very lengthy 3%
Bill didn't ask for 3% every year he bought he bought playground equipment
with some money that he donated we bought playground equipment over at Choy
over in that part we bought playground equipment over there so he's been a good
partner and his company's been a good partner the other thing that you that
you cannot replace >> is our is our impact that we have with
DEEQ Q and and NFIP and the National Flood Insurance Department. You cannot
replace that because that goes a long way because they they see that. I don't
know if it if they only inspected it once or twice, you know, they'll come
out and do us, but we I don't know if we ever had a fall. Now, we had over there
at the old one, we had numerous complaints and so 3% escalation,
you know, cost goes up, you know, [clears throat]
I haven't I haven't seen 3% increase in my uh I haven't in my social security
and well since I retired, you know, [snorts] so [clears throat and cough] I
can use 3%. But my point is citizens are well taken care of. This guy's taking a
well taken care of and the contract I we put the contract out that way for that
reason. And I wanted to protect him. I want to protect his investment. I want
to protect the citizens because one thing that like whether you like me or
not, I love the city of Prior. >> I love the city of Pride alone. No,
without any qualms about it, you know. I love the city of I love what we do and
where we're going, where it's going. I love it. And I don't want to see
anything bad eye or anything else for the city of Prior. I want to see the
city of Pride do well. That's my that's my love. So that's one. So I I encourage
you, you know, and I'm and I'm open to any question you want to ask me. I'll
answer it or whatever I can. I tried to look at I've got some of the old copies
of old contracts at my house, stuff like it, but I'll [clears throat] answer any
question that I can think of to answer. I just think that trash business is a
tough business and a nasty business. >> Too many moving parts.
» Too many. You know, >> Jimmy, let me ask you a question. This
contract, did it go through the public works authority or go through the city
of Prior? >> Both. What what we did, Bruce, what we
what we did, we took it to the street committee. Okay.
» All right. >> All right. We took it to the street
committee. Okay. We went to the street committee. And I couldn't tell you. I I
couldn't tell you on the top of my head now if it went from the street committee
to council or it went to PPWA. I'm thinking it probably went through PPWA
more than likely because that's the way he could borrow the money. You know,
back with the prior public works, PPWA has when you go to get bonds and stuff,
you go to PPWA, not that because it was the building. So, we had to back it. I
think it had to go to through PPWA because the city couldn't city can't
obligate itself belong one year. So, we had to go that way and that and I think
that's what we had to do. I could be wrong about that. I don't remember, but
I think that's what it was. Yeah, that's that's whenever we had the
meeting with Gary Shaml first priority, they were willing to get involved in the
financial part of it and we met downstairs like I said earlier and one
of the thing there's two things that the the bank stipulated number one was that
they would finance it for 15 years but they want that's where the three
fiveyear term come out and that five years, three renewal terms. The
second thing is they won their money first. Terry Hill every month would go
down to that bank and deposit that money and bank [snorts] got their payment
before anything. So, there was a lot of little moving parts to get it started.
And again, my my uh whole life has been centered around work trucks. I know
refuge truck from front to back. I probably I probably have more knowledge
about the refuge industry and refuge equipment than anybody in prior and
maybe in Maze County. When I buy a truck, I buy it on five years. I put
every warranty on that I can and the reason why to pull a truck in a ch shop
now is $245 an hour to work on truck. So I fall back
on the warranty. excuse >> to take care of the equipment and to
provide good service. When I was on the council, we constantly heard how the
trucks were breaking down the middle of the streets,
pouring oil out of them. You can follow the trash truck throughout the town.
[snorts] They stunk to high heavens. I mean, it was a it was a joke to the city
of Prior to have that type of refuge operation. And again, I I stepped off
and took a chance. Uh I did not for the first three years, Tim Prather was
right. We barely made it. I took every penny out of my retirement, my 401ks to
make payroll. And I'm going to tell you guys, I worked seven days a week, 15
hours a day. >> Can I say something else, too?
» And and it was it was a tough tough time. One of the things and I don't want
to mention any names here. I can remember when they started
the city of Prior had a contractor, I'm not going to say any names, dumping it
illegally. Okay, there's a file in there. The city
of Prior is responsible for that site. If anything ever leeches out of that
site, City of Prior is responsible that site. It's in there on file right now.
It was I don't know how many years ago and you know the contract they're dead
but city of prior for that and that's how come it's so important when you get
pick up and I'm not talking about just trash if you have a dumpster a big one
of those big large dumpsters that you picked up at somebody's businesses you
got to know where that goes you know we had somebody dumping it at iron post we
had to stop that one time you know taking it to iron post you know so my
point saying that is there's a lot of issue a lot of moving parts in this
stuff so I again. Contract is 2044. I'm here. I'm going to shut up. You got any
questions for me? Answer me.
» Just to clarify, what do you charge the city?
» I'm sorry. >> What do you charge the city?
» What you What do you charge the city, Bill?
» What do you charge the city for for trash pickup?
» What I charge the city? >> Because he wants to know what your fees
are. >> The current rates.
» Current rates. >> 1675. the the the city like not not
general citizens of the city, the city of
» Priunal >> municipal.
» Well, the the reason I asked that is in the letter it says with the city budget
being tight last year, we made the decision for to forgo the increase. The
city budget's not the concern of prior waste. So,
» and and on top of that, hold on. On top of that, I've had folks from city
clerk's office tell me that there are charges to mub or through mub to prior
waste on city bills. So, and something >> for the dumpsters there are for some of
the dumpsters. Yes, >> that [clears throat] I can't that I
can't answer. >> Yeah.
» Are you talking about rolloffs? >> Let me explain that. There's times when
you guys do a clean up of the house, you tear a house down or whatever. We just
furnish dumpsters for clean up, which was to go back. I didn't even charge for
the truck, the labor, the any of that. All I charge was for
what it cost me to take it and
it legally. Well, that was that would have been a rolloff, right?
» Rolloff. >> So, when you said dumpster, is that what
you meant? >> I'm talking rolloff.
» Okay. >> See, the rolloffs are they're charged up
here at the top. >> Yeah. Well, that Yeah, that I knew.
» Okay. >> But it just made it look like because of
city budget with that. >> Well, what what my intention was
I've sat that seat and there was a lot of bad rap on the
financial side. situation, the shortfalls and all that.
This this is where I have to calm myself down where that was a very volatile
night. The public was upset, bad rap to the city of Prior and I
thought the last thing you guys need to do was face a pay pay raise. It was
respect what I did. So, what I sacrificed was
respect for you guys and this town. >> And that's from my heart.
» I'm not just BSing you. >> So, I'm the one that made the motion.
So, let me talk for a second. Um, I made the motion tonight for no action.
Not because I'm opposed to this. I'm not necessarily opposed to it. I'm not
necessarily for it at this point. I don't know what I'm for because we have
no information other than what we're being told. There was no information in
our packet. The only information that we have been given as a council to make a
decision for our community, for our constituents is a Facebook post the
mayor made last night to the general public. That's it. So, I I'm not again
I'm not opposed to this, but I would like to see historical documents on how
this started, the original contract, and all of the amendments
to getting us where we are today so we can make a educated,
logical decision that's going to be in the best interest of you, our community,
our citizens. And I would like the city attorney to also have the opportunity to
look at all those documents to see if anything
jumps out at him. How can we,
and I'm changing the subject for a second, how can a city council in 1989,
1990, pass a something that binds this city
council today in 2026 to a certain pay increase? How can we do
that? >> The city council probably couldn't, but
if it's through the PWA, you might be able to. I'd have to look at the
contract which is >> which is
» exactly what he said. >> Yeah. And so
» again >> I I respect what you're saying there.
The contract there's original contract in there. Then the amendments to the
contract are in there also somewhere. And the other thing is is
» I think it's only in the fair interest of this council to see all of those
documents >> and put them in the packet so the public
can see the same thing we are and can contact us with their opinion. Nina
» and give us their thoughts on that >> before we make a decision.
» But one one one thing and I agree and I agree with what you're saying here. One
thing that I'll divert to is that we didn't do anything contractwise when
I was either Randy Elliott didn't approve. He's got his stamp on
it. Ben Sher didn't approve. >> Sort of
» or Kim Kim Richie didn't approve. You know, that's one of the things that
that'll get you in trouble quicker than anything
because you're spending money that you don't have. But somewhere in
[clears throat] there, those contracts are in there. So, yes. And and I told I
told Bill here, I told Bill recycling. I said,
» "It's part of my fault. The contracts are there. You need to get together with
the council sometime. Get a group together with council. You need to get
together with MUB. You need to sit down and talk about this. Everybody needs to
understand the history of this trash business because you all have no idea
what the history of this trash business is, what we went through to get there.
» So, are you saying MUB's a part of the city?
» No, I'm not. >> We're [laughter] not going
but but but but one of the things was they agreed they
agreed we pay them paid him. That was one of the agreements we had to do. All
goes through to be fair. I will say that is one of the thickest files because of
all that documentation that's in the vault. It's
» it's it's huge thick. >> It's every bit.
» But anyway, I >> and and I and I and again I agree the
contract to me if you want to see the contract. I'm sure that this young lady
would let you look at it because that files in about like you said about that
thick, you know. I'm sure Drew's got one somewhere.
» So is it you keep saying it's this thick. Is it possible to give us in a
packet or >> Oh my gosh. No, we can anything book,
but it's gonna it's going to be several hundred pages.
» It'll take you what my suggestion would be to if you want to have something look
at have city attorney look at it or or you come here and sit down and look at
because it's pretty long. >> And in all honesty, the packet we could
give the citizens the opportunity to look at. Charles, to clarify that,
» back during the start of Courtney's term, wasn't most everything all
digitized that this is could be in an email instead of a thick file packet.
» Not all of that file. >> I've came into a lot of things that I
have to find. >> Okay.
» Because >> I knew that there was a lot of
digitations, didn't you? >> But I have wrote [clears throat] I wrote
down everything that you guys have said that you've wanted and I'm that's my
list. And remember, all of those records requests, if you go to Hannah, she'll
provide them for you as quick as she can,
» as quick as we can. >> I I I don't have a problem with anything
you said. Just know that that file is thick and a lot of those pages are
brittle. So, I if you can come and look at it here, if we have to do if we have
to scan it up, >> if it's been scanned, I'm sending
» if it will. Yeah. Let me add another thing to Charles.
In my thinking, which I'm not not right most of the time anyway, but in my
thinking, we should be discussing with the city of Prior, how would you like to
reduce your two week to one week, get a trash can, get that accepted, and then
bring in a possible increase. Not bring the increase in first and then That's
that's that's good. That's a good plan. You know, we put a group together and
what you're saying is table the 3%. My question is can he can he forgo the 3%
with a raise in fees? And >> he may not he may not have to uh he'll
know more than we will, but if we cut the uh the amount of time he's spending
in prior and cut it in half, that may make him a better situation.
» It may make us a better situation. >> Yeah. Study and see. That's that's your
» Let's not jump. just not jump real quick. They can figure it out.
» And see, we're headed that way anyway. >> Yeah.
» If you do, >> as we talked about, you go to every one
of those towns. >> Prior is the only town that I know of in
the state of Oklahoma that has twice pickup.
» I've been against that since day one >> because I was over the street
department. Those trash trucks are tough on your streets. So, there's there's a
lot of ways to handle it. But the problem that we ran into, the people did
not want that. They've had twice a week pickup for 50 years.
» They're used to that. >> You go changing somebody's trash habits,
you're asking for a lot of trouble. Well, you could shut their TV off. You
can shut >> You can do a lot of things. You mess
with trash, you andor body. Along along those lines,
one day I gandered out in the garage to take the trash out. I opened up the
garage door and there's a trash truck sitting there right against the garage
door. And I thought, my wife or daughter has done bought a trash truck.
[laughter] I don't know where that come from. Well,
one of his people misunderstanding instead of I've got house pickup, side
pickup. Instead of getting it and taking it out the street, they just back the
old trash track up the door. There's a hole big as a hood in my car where it
crushed concrete. I didn't say anything about it for a while. When I told him,
he immediately came out there, fixed it. Sorry. And got it fixed and everything's
fine. So, I don't have a problem with the trash service. I don't have a
problem with Bill. I just think we need to get this
» so to your point. Are you wanting to go to two one time a week? Is that your
proposal forever? >> I would love it.
» Yeah. >> And here's let me tell you something,
Mr. >> You know how many applications I got
last year for people throwing trash?
» I'm not. >> I'm just trying to figure out what
you're wanting. I'm not questioning you. I'm just trying to figure out because it
kind of sounded like in those comments you made a few minutes ago that you
weren't necessarily for that. >> When you have pick up,
» even though people don't set the pressure up, we still drive the same.
The truck still travel. >> I get that.
» So, you know, the fuel cost those trucks are, you know, I sold the last trash
truck that prior bought in 1983. It was $39,000.
The same truck today impacts [clears throat] the same volume of trash
is a quarter of a million. >> Insurance went through the roof. The
operational cost. I'm on those guys all the time. We got to control the
operational cost. That's We don't do that.
» And I I was going to say something real quick and I'm I'm going to cut my part
unless you have questions. [snorts] >> Not all he's got question. He's chomping
at the bits. [laughter] But here's the deal. If you look around Shoto and you
look Shodo I had Mayor Floyd called me one time. I said we got a mess.
the hauler. If you so find a problem with the trash company, it's usually the
rates too cheap and they can't afford the disposal. The disposal of that trash
is one of the most expensive things that we do. And what he was doing was at
night time he was dumping it behind the building, burning
major DEQ violation. >> And the thing about it is Mayor Floyd
called me and said, "We're in trouble." The landfills have shut him off once
this town of Shodo to pay for the disposal
and he they were making him if he come to the landfill they made him pay cash
before he could dump. He called me and said we got a problem. We end up with
contract and show I've had the same thing at Wagner and we haul Wagner and
uh we do it with an automated polycar system.
It's It's only one.
» Can I make one more comment? Then I'm I'm not going to say another word. I
just asked the city attorney >> if he's seen the the amend addendum of
the contract, >> you know, this contract and and he said
he had. Am I correct? >> I saw what you and I talked about his
» the addendum of the contract through 2044, which I don't know if that was the
full addendum. Was that only two pages of it or was that
» that was it? It was that in minutes just two pages.
» That's what So my point is my point saying that is is that's the addendum to
2044. I think Bruce has got a good idea have to look at. I think you got a good
idea. >> Look at it for future boy. Let's get
this thing done as we get people citizens are in and then say, "Okay, I'm
going to put a a team together and get Bill back here together and let's get
back. Let's get people together that's been on this council before and let's
discuss this because when I'm dead and gone, I don't come to town much
anymore." And if Zach and I stay at I stay on
» No, but you're constantly driving. >> [laughter]
» But my my point is we've done a good job between He's seen the contracts. I'm
going to go sit down and shut up. >> Hey, Bill.
» Mr. Dinsmore, >> hang on.
» Uh you're asking for a 3% which is about 50 cents. Is that correct?
» Uh we only get 91%. >> The city gets 6% for building and 3% for
» but the 3% would be approximately 50 cents on the 50s. Time we did it 45
cents, right? And we pick up eight times a week,
» right? >> I mean, a month,
» right, >> guys?
» Is this rate weekly? >> It's It's a monthly rate, right? 1675 is
a monthly rate. >> Yes, it is.
» Now, Bill, everywhere that you do service, do you furnish the cans?
» Yes. >> So, Prior is on the ones you don't
furnish. >> Prior Prior does have cans around that
he's furnished. I've seen interesting that you guys mentioned that we had such
a tremendous amount of people calling said, "We want
You see them everywhere >> and those things are expensive. We order
the semi truckload of them. >> Uh we just I don't know how many we've
set prior, but I went to Terry one day and I said, "Terry, we're getting so
many calls for cars. I'd like to be able to add that." And I think Larry Le was
so forth and they approved to put that on there as available. It's not part of
the contract, >> but you you have special truck that
hauls those, right? You got a special truck that loads those polycarts.
» Well, uh you're right. A poly cart will hold up to 175 pounds.
» Yeah. >> And the hydraulic system on the truck
will flip that will dump that 175 pounds. Whereas if we pick it up, we
only pick up 50 pounds and we only lift it four feet.
» Right. >> Well, how many how many people have you
got on the poly truck? >> How many people have the truck?
» I mean I mean how many operating? operators.
» One >> and on. So you got one on the poly
truck, but you got three on the regular truck,
» right? >> And nobody's going to lose a job if you
switch. >> No.
What it allows me to do is to go to a different truck,
» Bill. >> Has the arm that lift.
» Okay. >> And and that way you don't worry about
100 degree temperature, >> right? you know, minus zero windshield
factor, >> whatever it is. And it's
» Now, if you've got a house side pickup, how does the one guy does he get out of
the truck, go up there and get it? >> I pick it up. I pick up.
» Do you? [laughter] >> That'll work.
» I've done it, too. Boo. >> Hey, Bill. Question. Uh, since you're
going to go to this Polycarp thing or possibly,
» what's it going to cost you to get started and maybe buy new trucks and
things like that? >> It cost a million and a half.
» Million and a half. >> We're good with that.
» Okay. Just want to make sure that's going to be it's going to be expensive.
» Okay. Okay. Good enough. >> And I got a letter.
» All right. Good. >> Okay. So, I just have a few questions
and a lot of this.
A lot of it starts 24, 48 hours, however long ago it was. I
don't know. I've I didn't go to sleep until 2 o'clock
last night doing research. I spent a lot of my day today doing research that
starts with a question because I found your
for whatever reason, I had a lot of this stuff sent to me when Courtney was here.
And so I found this your your amendment from 2019
and we got clarification on that now that no the city's not actually being
charged in lie of foregoing rent
for basic trash pickup. Is that I'm understanding that correct?
» Correct. >> Okay. And so I asked the question and I
really didn't get an answer. It was come talk to me. Okay, fine. Whatever.
And then at the same time when all this starts getting posted out, I also get
calls from constituents and whatnot. And I'm spending a lot of time going through
every single city council agenda since tw whatever's on the the website. And
Jay, by the way, has been awesome in getting me all that information. So
kudos to her. Give her a raise. No. Uh anyway, there's a few things that I have
a question about. The first one, and this largely comes from the fact that
we're a private company working with a government entity.
I'm predisposed that you should keep that as far away as possible. That
that's not the discussion here. But one of the things is complaints about
you talk about twice a week pickup. Well, and I have your information letter
here as well that's on the website. uh that citizens within the city at a
certain time. It it just says 25 years ago this was done. There's no date on
the letter, but I would assume he already
» Yeah, he left. >> Oh, okay. Well, sometime sometime over
25 years ago this was decided. Um a lot of the complaint has come from
there are areas in the city that are no long that are now in city limits that
now have houses on them and they're getting twice a week pickup.
And like I have a neighbor who has to go to a dumpster because once a week is so
so the question there is is consistency in the work practice
because we are contracted with the city and so the I think the citizens should
know that that's happening and I'm not trying to get on to anybody but that's
just is what it is. And the second thing is they complained about no re no call
backs, no responses from and the only and again a private company
I believe should be able to do whatever they want in you know in accordance with
state local laws etc so on and so forth but when you go to a a governing agency
I that's that's a little hairy >> I'm gonna
» get to the damn point >> pause because
» well [laughter] >> in my three years as mayor
» Greg you suck I've had one person, not you, and I know you're talking about
yourself. Um, one person call me that said, "Hey, I didn't get my trash picked
up, and I called you immediately, and you went as quick as you could get a
team out there." Nobody Nobody in this room right now has graced
my office or my phone to mention that they weren't getting the pickups that
they should get. And I understand that we have boundaries that have changed
with annexations, but understand I don't have MUB with their billing. They don't
know. Hannah doesn't know who who gets what. We don't sit at everybody's front
yard. So, it's it's it is an element of accountability and responsibility that
if you're in the city limits and you're not getting what you're paying for to as
as politely and correctly as you can call up and say, "I'm I'm not getting
the pickups I need and it's not happening." And so,
» and I am I am going to say I'm >> hang on. Hang on. I'm not done. I'm not
done. >> And we're not open to public discussion
on the floor. Here's the problem is that we're not we're not attacking. We're not
out to do that. That's not the point. If we have adjustments that need to be made
because of boundaries that have changed, and our boundaries are always changing,
and here in the next year or two, they're going to change again when we do
additional annexations, when we get the houses put in up at Stonegate. We have
to make sure that we're communicating that to Dinsore. And when I talked to
Jimmy about it today, he said that, I guess, is through zoning. maps that we
have to do that. We've updated our zoning maps. We have to make sure that
we're getting those out, but the only way we're going to find out that those
people like you and your neighbor aren't getting the service because you've been
annexed in since 2 AD when we started this this whole
mess is for those people to come to us or to
call call the utility board or Hannah and say, "I'm not getting what I need."
I'm going to tell you right now, every call I've made to Bill and and Bill, you
can attest, you and I have not always seen eye to eye. We had a great
interaction in my office at the store one time where it was got it got hot.
But I make a call to him and it happens. So, if we're not getting that, we need
to know. We can't we can't begrudgingly come at the city and be or bill and be
like, "Well, I've been paying and I'm not getting it." So, there there's an
accountability factor there. We will make right what we can make right.
That's what we're here to do. >> So hold on. Hold on. When these people,
including myself, they call MUB. They say we don't have control over that.
Call, you got to call the ways. You call ways. We don't get responses. Nobody
gets responses. So we call city hall and and complain.
» You can call me every time or >> Yeah. And again, this
» or like I said in the email, you can come into my office and we can talk
about it. But apparently, you know, we what I'm getting at is we've got to have
that communication. And it's just like everywhere else. If you're not getting
an answer from Dinsore and you don't get an answer from there, that's what I'm
paid to do. I will I will make those. Have I not called you several times
» and said, "Hey, we need to fix this." Okay. The only reason
» never denied anybody trash.
» Now, I'm I'm going to say something here that last week pick up.
The problem is, and I owe an apology, but on the flip side of that, we have no
idea. We don't what areas have been annexed
and stuff. There's a road out there that one side of the streets in city, the
other side's not. >> Yeah, that happens to be where I live,
too. >> And I didn't even know that to today.
» Yeah. Well, it and and I'm not getting on to you for that because I know
there's a chain of commitment. But the fact of the matter is I didn't know a
lot of this stuff until the last 24 48 hours. I went and searched all these
documents and read through them like, "Oh, wait. We're really tied to prior
waste and recycle more than I thought we were." And the fact is is nobody else is
out there going to know that, hey, maybe we need to call up city hall and say,
"Hey, this is what's going on." And when I had a simple question, do we do this?
Yes or no? Come to my office and talk about it. Well, I'm not going to be able
to do that before the meeting. Well, I'm busy, too. Well, I get that. But we're
sitting here having to make decisions about a contract we don't have in a
packet. We've got all these documents that had to be fished out, which once
again, great for city. I appreciate what your office has done getting this
information. Well, the added information. And
so, let me be very clear so people that are listening. Over the weekend, I got
asked if we could have some correspondence.
You know what? I have family time. And I'm sorry, Mr. Brashier, that you've got
your yourself all worked up over this, but I have every right to say, "Come to
my office and talk about it." Terry has been in my office. I've talked to Bruce.
I've talked to just about anybody. Lori and I have talked about it. You chose to
throw a fit because I said, "Come talk to me." I sat in my office all day with
the exception of two two times. One, I went to go get lunch and two, when I
went to take pictures of the 17th Street project to give an update on that. You
did not make that effort. I don't know what your day is. I don't really care.
But to to waste our time in a county so I can
» to waste I'm not done talking. Don't interrupt. When we have a council
meeting and we're trying to dec to do this, take your personal issues and
handle them not in a public setting. I don't think that's professional. I don't
think it's professional to get upset when somebody says, "Come and talk to me
about it." If you don't like that answer, I'm sorry, but that's the answer
that you got. I am a father. I am a husband and I have
things in my home that I need to do, including sick children. I have a wife
needed some help. I'm not going to give every waking
second of my Sunday and Saturday night to things that I need to put in a
priority list and set back. We're here to discuss this 3% escalator.
That's what we need to get to. I think there have been great questions from
everybody. Great involvement. I'm grateful that you Brian and
» Mattful.
» Thank you. And >> absolutely.
» And the fact that Jimmy came up. Jimmy did not have to come up. We try to
[laughter] We love Jimmy for what he is, but he chose to come up here. What was
that, Nina? Oh, I thought you had a cough again. Um,
but again, >> you're interrupting Nina. [laughter]
» The point the point that we're getting at is
» Oh my god. >> Customer service, you are a customer
service based business. >> Yes.
» There will be problems. Y >> and anybody that's done customer
service, whether it's whether it's handyman work, library, real estate, uh,
newspaper, you're not going to get everything 100%.
losing our cool about it and not being level-headed about things is never going
to get successful. I tell everybody all the time, level heads prevail, and we've
got to address whether or not we're going to do this or not. The proposal
has has been discussed and is out there that we could entertain at another
council discussion whether or not we would accept the once a week pickup with
the 97gallon receptacles for reduction in service and and wear and tear on our
roads, but it helps him as well. that's out there that is not tied into this 3%.
Tonight, we're here to discuss the 3%. And that's what we've got to do.
» I understand that. And this is this is the frustrating part. Hold on. I send
out correspondence at almost 11 p.m. on Sunday.
That leaves the entire day Monday because we have nothing in our packet
outside of a letter. No fault to you. And I'm not saying I have issues, but
not everybody who I have a family. I have five kids. I have a full-time job
that if I don't work, I'm not making money. I don't have paid leave.
And so it would be more time efficient to say, "Yes, we do. No, we don't. Hey,
here's this, but there's more development." It's that simple. So I
understand what we have on the floor now, but this whole thing
we talked communication is key. Communication is key. Communication is
key. And all we have is a letter that he sent in our packet regarding a contract.
» Yeah. When did you send us that letter, Bill?
» When did you send that letter to us? >> When did I send that letter?
» Was that not Friday afternoon? >> Yeah.
» Thank you, Matt. >> But thank you.
» I was in the hospital. to it.
» But in in the contract, it says that the between the city and the refuge company
is the main and I have the right to petition the council for rates based on
fuel cost, disposal cost, equipment cost, insurance cost, and all those
things. That's what I'm doing. And you have the right to reject it. You say,
"Hey, your service sucks. >> You're on your
» Do you have a copy of that contract in your files
at at your work site?" >> I I'm pretty sure I did. I'm pretty
sure. >> Bill, would it be liveable?
» No action. I >> I suggested earlier that
» Bill, >> we go ahead and
table this or take no action tonight. work on the one can a one trip
sanitation and then bring this back at a later point.
» Would that would that would that settle everything?
» Let me real quick and I'm going to give Tyler the floor cuz he has been
patiently waiting. I'm just going to ask you guys, would you guys have a problem
with me having Jay put out a a jot jot form? I think is what it is. The the
survey monkey survey just asking what do you prefer? Would you be okay with it?
Just send it out. We can send it out. Put it out on social media. We'll get
back unanimous results. >> What are we asking?
» If they would like to keep the service as it is or if they would be okay with
once a week with the larger containers that would just go out to the public as
answered if you want to. >> I think since the paper's gone
and I know you said you didn't like Facebook although you've adapted rather
well to communication. Uh but that's the only communication you got prior I think
right now is Facebook social media to to get and I I don't
» we have two published newspapers >> there's one sitting right here
[laughter] Susan Susan >> so we can I I can get Dean and Tim to
give us Dean and Tim can give us a spot. >> Yeah. I didn't mean but I'm saying that
thing is Facebook was >> you've seen how immediate it is.
» Oh boy. I have questions that I wrote down. So hopefully I don't forget
anything. [laughter] Recycling. Is that anywhere on the
horizon or where are we at with all that?
» Very good question. >> And I'm going to ask you if you would
please speak into the mic because I know there's lots of people that want to know
this answer. >> I'm up here so I can hear.
» I know. Yes, sir. Yes, [laughter] sir. >> Okay.
Recycling is a uh
it has to be everybody. You can't pick and choose,
» right? And that's what we ran into the f right off the bat when what we had
chosen to do was that have twice a week pickup, one time trash, the second time
recyclables. That thing fell so flat on its face it
was unreal. Jimmy did the survey. He went to Saratoma. He and people said,
"We don't we're not going to mess with that. We're going to throw it in the
trash and be done with it." So, we used the waste of energy and that was
satisfactory because it was a means of recycling and turning trash into energy.
That worked until we got pushed out. Recycling
now costs more than hauling the trash off if you can get rid of it. plastic. I
don't know if you guys remember preferred waste that was out in
Industrial Park, recycled plastic. >> They couldn't make a penny. We hauled it
all off to the landfill. I tried to sell it, but it was co-mingled, contaminated,
and nobody would take it. So, I've seen recycling break a a contractor's back
real quick. Now, what we're we are working on and let let me go step back a
little bit further. We were going to try recycling.
The city poured a concrete pad. I went out and bought the these
containers for separation. We set them out there
and we didn't have anybody participate. and they said, "We're not going to drive
that gravel road because we'll get a flat." So, what we decided to do was set
them behind a police station. That thing become a dump. Mattresses,
junk, everywhere. Dennis Nichols finally called. He said, "Get them out of here.
I'm sick of it." We've tried, but it's a very, very difficult deal. city of Tulsa
and I know those guys well have fought that recycling deal and they've got it.
But you take and set and and pick up recycle bins and have two or three
people put trash in them, you contaminated it and they will take and
throw put in the landfill. It's very very strict, very expensive. So what we
would like to do eventually is in our plan is have it again where we have
volunteer recycling. In other words, we have the containers where you put paper,
glass, plastic, whatever. And for people that that that want to do it themselves,
some people going to do it because they're environmentally conscious. Some
people are not going to waste the day, their day, their time doing that. So you
I've watched that thing closely. Uh and uh
it's to the point that city Tulsa finds people. If you if you violate it,
they're going to find you. And that's the only way they can they can get a a
at one time when they started, you know what their percentage of
participation was? 16%.
And they had to have recycling. They had diar taunted it got rewards over awards
b for it. And they had to make it and they tried all kinds of different ways.
First they they taken and uh leave them a note says don't put your trash in
recycling bin. And then they got to the point they had to just basically find
them. >> You're saying if if there's not a a need
for it or profit for it, nobody wants to mess with it.
» Yeah. >> Okay. And one of the problems is
whenever they had the Olympics in China, cardboard was bringing $200 a ton. After
the Olympics, $5, you can't buy it and transport it for that. I mean, you lose
money. That's plastic is is a very tough thing uh uh to to get
rid of. The markets the markets are volatile. It's just up and down, up and
down. Most of the guys that really that make it work in recycling like [snorts]
American Environmental, they got a big warehouse and then they they get several
truckloads and then they go to finding who who's the best buyer for it. So you
you have I I would love to be able to do some type of recycling, but I just do
not know how to make it work in this area.
» Yeah. I I just like the options having the person that does want to do
it have the option even if it's a drop off location that's managed. Um
» that's >> but I I think it's good for us to look
into that avenue. I understand that it's probably a pain and Jeremy's people
don't have the time to go out and police whether or not somebody's putting
recycled trash in recycle bin or not. And so I don't want to create any more
work on anybody but just if there is an option I think that that helps lots of
things. Um, the other thing is I just want to point out we're talking about $6
a year >> for consumers.
» Yeah. >> And we're doing a lot of bickering over
$6 a year. I have zero complaints with y'all's trash service. You guys are
» You spend about an hour arguing over this and I'm $200 an hour.
» That's right. >> I have I have three I have three kids
like maniacs and >> we probably go over our trash rate and
you guys always pick it up and I'm very appreciative of it. Thank you very much.
» I think that we have along with all of our other utility services some of the
cheapest in the entire state. Um and if anybody wants to disagree, please go ask
other cities because they're paying sometimes double more than what we're
paying on lots of things. So >> I appreciate that.
» I I I just I do wish that we had some more clarity on all the backstory and
everything. It was helpful. the little history lesson tonight was helpful, but
I think I and some of the conversations I've had just want to understand better
what the landscape is on all of this. Um, one of the sticking points as far as
sticking points, not necessarily a bad thing, just one of the questions is it's
our land and so what is the tradeoff on our land? You guys are using it. You
guys are obviously running a business out of it. So, uh, I know that was one
of the questions that I've been asked is, hey, what is the city getting out of
it? And if it's cheaper service, if it's whatever it is, I I don't know what it
is, but I know that that's one of the questions that I've been asked. And
that's the last question I have. >> And and to answer that, again, I'm being
a little bit repetitious here. We don't charge the city for anything, right?
» Band day, >> the festivals, uh, the blueg grass. We
we bring all the polycarts out here. We don't a penny [clears throat] for them.
We we set the robots out here so they can empty the holiday the there there is
a lot of participation whether it's main street prior they'll clean up a business
we set a dumpster we go >> I mean it's just there's so many things
that we tried to do but the biggest thing that transfer station is who's
going to maintain it >> right
» that's the reason I was telling you earlier about whenever the farm Randy
you're which everybody knows Randy Drake been around here for a ages. He come to
me and he said, "We got a big problem." He said, "That thistle is is a hard
thing to kill >> and per the law,
» it's city prior's responsibility to control that thistle." Well, you
couldn't do it for the thorn trees. That thing was a forest of thorn trees. We
went out there with an excavator for three months, pulled off every one of
the thorn trees, roots them all. You can't cut them off. You got to pull them
up roots and all. >> Right.
» And we made that where it could be mowed.
» Uh if you go if you drive out there now, look across it looks like a green
pasture. I mean it it does. So we've done a lot just to maintain that. That
thing was a a cess poolool. >> That back end was nothing but leech
ponds. The mosquitoes were bigger than horse flies.
» Yeah. >> It was a mess. So we we filled all that
in. We've covered it up. We can add to the top of the land landfield. You just
can't take away the bottom of it. You can't break that seal and go down below
it. So we've done a lot and we have uh we have uh plans to to go further and we
would like later date we'd like to explain to you what we're trying to do.
We have too many people coming in now. There's so many people moving in.
bringing the old couches in and boxes and stuff. We've got a big traffic
problem and somebody's going to get hurt. My liability is going through the
roof because people come out there, they don't really know what to do. They'll
pull right in the middle. These guys fight it every day. They pull right in
the middle of everything. They'll pull right behind the backing truck. The
beeper's going off. I got signs saying trucks first. and it's dealing with the
public and that transfer station has become very difficult. So, we're having
to make some moves and I've talked to you about it and we we're going to have
to make some changes to protect the public and that that involves recycling,
a convenient drop off site instead of going into the transfer station. There's
a lot of people that come out with trailers now can't buy
» right [laughter]
» and we've talked about >> I'm going to shut up. I thought I said
while we go I was going to shut up this we've talked a little bit about just so
people understand and then we'll we'll wrap this whole thing up.
» [clears throat] >> One of the things we're we're dealing
with is the dump station and when we have like tornadoes or we have uh you
know problems like that you know Claremore is bringing some of their
stuff out to our br whatever the tornado that came through we've got debris trees
when we had the father's day storm all those trees that adds up and so one of
the things that Bill was looking at what last month middle of last month
» was a was a machine it was basically what there were eight of them in the
United States you said but it pulverizes those those trees down into literally
mulch. We watched chunks of concrete go through there without even dogging it
down. But that's an expense. But the idea there is is that that would allow
us to to take, you know, all of that debris and compound it and basically
extend the life of that that area out there.
» You know, there there's a lot of things like that that are being looked at. No
decisions have been made on that yet, but uh that that would be another huge
investment that we would be able to use for those those kind of things. So, you
know, there's a lot going on. I'm grateful for for my trash being taken
out uh when my son decides to get it to the curb. I appreciate that. Um but, you
know, we uh >> Well, if you look if you look at the at
the paper you gave us, you are half the price of the cheapest
» uh anywhere around. So, the leasing that land out there has helped prior
immensely. Well, the agreement was $200 a month to lease that land.
» And there were so many situations where picking up the trash downtown, you know,
we make sure we pick that up before the traffic ever starts
» before we don't interfere in the in downtown traffic. If there's a parade,
those cans are full. >> And so there's there's a lot of things.
I mean, we take care of mud. Uh there's a lot of things that we do
that I live here. >> I mean [snorts]
I'm 7 almost 73 years old. I spent almost as old as Bruce
» almost. [laughter] >> Terry, you had a call.
» Let me ask one more question. >> Sure.
» Can I get a current city of fire map? >> Yeah. So we can get that for you. Um,
and then just, you know, to everybody while we're on that, remember that all
records requests do not go through Jay. They actually go through Hannah's
office. So, if you've got one, make sure you're hitting her up for that so that
she can >> she can she can go there.
» Be very helpful. I
» And that's per Hannah's request intentionally. We just didn't
» sir >> in the past whenever there was annexing
we were notified that this area had been annexed in
» and that's how we adjusted to what we need to do right
now. We don't we went on Google map and it's not clear exactly where the city
limit >> well the concern came from multiple
complaints that I had received and so uh I don't know I think a lot of it boils
down to communication >> and you know this council can change up
to 50% every every year and so we have contracts from 1989 or 2000 whenever
whenever they started and you know the frust frustrating part is you want to be
able to take people at their at face value. And when you don't think you can
do that, then you're stuck for 24 to 48 hours pilering through everything
yourself. And by the way, I I apologize. That's me. I was responding to Jay's
emails that she had already sent out. It was I didn't mean to just strictly go to
her like that, just out of the blue, but she had sent stuff out and I said, "Oh,
hey, by the way, this Oh, hey." and it just got out of hand. So, I apologize
for that. But anyway, >> Terry, you had you were explaining
everything that you did. >> You know, one thing that I was going
when Terry Terry's been working on the museum,
» you call me, we come, we set dumpsters, whatever we need to do to help you
improve that building and stuff like that. So, it's it's a partnership, guys.
» That's what boils down to partnership. >> You're absolutely right.
» And the partnership is on this. [laughter]
I I've had a relationship with Bill for almost 38 years now. We served on the
city council together and we went through a trash contract back that time
period, too. >> Bill has been nothing but had the best
interest of this community >> in his heart back then when he was on
the council >> when he was getting involved in this
trash business. And I there is no doubt in my mind that builds more is 100%
prior. >> Amen. [clears throat]
» People can re When you're dealing with the public,
you're going to make mistakes. People's going to get upset.
» You get people get bad reps and everything, but Bill Endsmore is
top-notch in my opinion. I've got had a really good report with him like he had
said on that and I've had some issues with I some of y'all don't know this but
we've had city trash dumpsters that have been at city buildings that I've noticed
that have completely rusted out and the trash and garbage is just licking
through it. All it took was a text message or a phone call to Bill and
said, "Can you all replace this dumpster?" And he had it done with this
within an hour. >> Right.
» And and I've got his cell phone number. I'm sure he would privately give it to
any of you all if you had a complaint to call him up and just simply say, "Bill,
this neighborhood out here didn't get their trash service twice a week. Can
you fix that?" And I'm sure he would say, "Yes, he would."
» I agree. and and and I know that I've had some problem. There's some elderly
folks up in the northwest part of town had some problems about a year or two
ago and complained about the an elderly lady that couldn't get her trash picked
up out the she couldn't take it out to the curb. He called her, I called him,
he had it taken care of and she was very happy within just about 30 minutes or
so. And I think it was on a Saturday if I remember right. But uh but anyway,
that being said, thank you for coming up here and explaining that. I appreciate
you and Jimmy what you did. I've always said that you've got to know and
understand the past to help plan for the future and giving us a background on how
all this came about. I think it's very vital to us. That being said, I just
have one more question. I have a question. The issue came [laughter] up
in the issue that it came up in in May of 2022 about the fuel adjustment.
» Yes. >> And I tried to find some documentation
on that online. the website. A lot of stuff's gone from back then. I had to go
back to the the paper and it had mentioned back then in the paper that if
the fuel fell below, I believe $3.50 a gallon for diesel fuel, then things
would be relooked at again. >> Well, we've had that on and fuel is way
down now. So, what is this? What is the policy and the plan for that?
» What is it? I can answer that way. [laughter]
» So when we met back then >> everybody uh of course diesel prices
prices were really high. So the way the structure was set out is if and I'm if
it's between the 30-day average I'll go on whenever
I'm setting the fuel cost adjustments. I'll go on the um
» AAA and hit up the Tulsa website look at the 30-day average print that off. If
it's between $2 and $3, it's 3%. No, sorry. Two and $3 is 4%. If the 30-day
average is between No, $2 to $3 4% $3 to $4 6% 4 to5 8%.
Anything over five, we're going to relook at it because at that time,
everybody knows that the prices were through the roof. And honestly, it's
this is the first month it's been under $3 in 30 days for quite some time. So
it'll be at 4%. >> Yeah.
» So it is fluctuating. >> It fluctuates. Yeah. It hasn't been
» It's been It's kind of been like a flat line 6%, but normally it's 4%. But um
» I was going to say, mayor, not a big fan of social media and surveys because
you're going to get people that don't even live here. That's going to hit
them. So, what I would say is if you can wait a couple months, if you guys could
come up with a little survey, you can put them in our bill. If you print them
off and then I'll call the mailer and say, "Hey, put this in our bill. Deliver
them to Tulsa." >> We'll do that.
» But I'm just going to be let you know if I send out 5,000 bills, you might get
300 returns. >> Yeah.
» So, you're >> we'll get something together. But and
then if there's any cost that's associated because normally one sheet of
paper doesn't cost anything because I'm already somebody's already printing it
out. What cost me is printing it and getting it delivered. So
» well that'll be more people than both. So
» I I think if if you guys print them out and if there's any additional costs that
are added on I don't think because this is huge for the city because
» I mean we're the only one like Bill said in Oklahoma that does twice a week,
right? I mean, and it's it's great, don't get me wrong, but it's hard on
them. So, but our bills have already start go
start started going out now for zone one's closed out. We got zone two and
three. So, you be receiving your March one bills. So, you actually we wouldn't
be able to put it in until the middle of March. So, when you start getting that,
so that's when your April 1 bills are due and we'll start collecting them and
then we'll ship them down to you and you guys can do your little statistics and
go there. But, you know, I'm just saying >> we'll put something together.
» Don't expect a lot of stuff because I send bills out stuff about every about
three years on natural gas awareness and ask questions and surveys and all that.
And >> it's a rule of 20%, right?
» It's less than 10%. >> It's like six to eight. But yeah, just
get with Jose and I'll let them know. And um but yeah,
» get it. >> Facebook, social media surveys are
» all right. >> Mayor.
» Yes, sir. I think with the way the motion is
that if we go ahead and pass that that we can get all of our facts and figures
together. Everybody can look at what they want to and get this on the
» Yeah. So, we take a vote for no action tonight.
» Yeah. >> And you guys see where we're at with it.
So, uh that said, let's call for the vote.
» Traml, >> yes.
[laughter] >> Yes.
» Smith, >> yes.
» Mark, >> yes. Shopire,
» yes. >> Bradshaw,
» yes. Bashers, >> yes.
» Tyler, >> yes.
» Thank you, Bill. [laughter]
» Charles, I appreciate your fine. >> All right. Uh, item six, committee
reports. Thank you, Bill. Budget and personnel.
» Thank you. >> You want Thanks, Bill. Did you tell
» Shire? >> Yes.
» Budget and personnel >> 10th.
» All right. Uh ordinance insurance >> 331
[clears throat] >> and street maintenance
» next Tuesday the 24th. >> Do you still need uh infrastructure
there? >> Yes. [snorts]
» Specifically Dale or can we do Charles? Does it matter?
» Probably doesn't matter. >> Okay, [snorts] we can talk about that
later. >> Yeah.
» Uh I don't have any unforeseeable business. Do I have a motion to adjurnn?
» Motion. >> Second.
» I got a motion from Choya and a second from Brashier.
» Call for the vote. >> Steve,
» uh yes. >> Smith,
» yes. >> Yes.
» Shshire, >> yes.
» Bradshaw, >> yes.
» Bashers, >> yes.
» Tyler, >> yes.
» Traml, >> yes.
seconds. We're journed.
» Next, >> public works.
» Well, you know what? I was excited. All right, we'll call to order. I'm
» skipping numbers. Missing. All right, call to order the prior public works
authority. Approve the minutes of this February 3rd.
» 2026 meeting. >> Motion.
» We could keep it down a little bit, please. I have a motion from Troy and a
second from Steve. Call for the vote. >> Did you say Steve?
» Steve B. >> Steven Brown.
» Fifth. >> Yes.
» Lamar, >> yes.
» Shire, >> yes.
» Bradshaw, >> yes.
» Rasher, >> yes.
» Tyler, >> yes.
» Laml, >> yes.
» Steve, >> yes.
» Approve claims for purchase orders for the Prior Public Works Authority through
February 17th, 2026. >> Motion.
» Motion from Bashers and a second from >> Choya. Mhm.
» Call for the vote.
» Lamar, >> yes.
» Shire, >> yes.
» Brad, >> yes.
» Shears, >> yes.
» Tyler, >> yes.
» Shaml, >> yes.
» Steve, >> uh, yes.
» Smith, >> yes.
» Um, do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion.
» Motion from Steve and a second from Brashiers.
» You can call for that vote when you're ready.
» Baseball games. Shire,
» yes. >> Bradshaw,
» yes. >> Yes.
» Tyler, >> yes.
» Yes. >> Steve,
» yes. >> Smith,
» yes. >> Amar,
» yes. >> Done.
» You need to give some back.