[8:14] before you get out of here.
[8:20] » Sorry, I didn't mean to startle you. All
right, we're going to go ahead and call
[8:24] this meeting to order. Um, I have asked
the wonderful councilwoman Bradshaw to
[8:31] give us give us our prayer and pledge.
Please stand.
[8:37] » Let's pray. Heavenly Father, we come
before you today and we just thank you
[8:41] for your goodness. We thank you for your
grace. We thank you for um all that you
[8:45] give us and all the blessings that we
have and and where we live and um and
[8:50] this ability to be able to meet here
peacefully tonight. And so God, we just
[8:53] pray over this agenda. We ask that you
give us wisdom as we discuss all of
[8:57] these things that we have before us
today. And God, that you just continue
[9:01] to to bless each of us in this room and
um to continue to um be with this
[9:06] community because we know that you're
for prayer as just as well as you are
[9:09] for each of us. It's in your name we
pray. Amen.
[9:13] » Attention, salute, pledge. I pledge
algiance to the flag of the United
[9:19] States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under
[9:26] God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
[9:34] » Thank you.
If we could uh please have roll call.
[9:40] » Lamar
>> here.
[9:41] » Shire here.
>> Bradshaw here. Rashers
[9:45] » here. Brown
>> here.
[9:47] » Traml
>> here.
[9:48] » Brown
>> here.
[9:50] » Smith
>> here. Okay.
[9:53] » Um, I have one petition from the
audience and that is Miss Charlene
[9:57] Kendrick.
>> Did you?
[10:03] » That's perfectly fine.
>> Split our five minutes.
[10:08] » That's all right.
>> Okay. Thank you for giving us this time.
[10:11] My name is Barbara Drum and I'm
representing the Prior Creek Sertoma
[10:15] Club and we are sponsoring the 76th
anniversary
[10:20] of the Certoma Miss Maize County
Scholarship Pageant will be held
[10:27] Saturday, March 7th at 6 PM at the Ara
Performing Arts Center. The pageant this
[10:35] year will award over $5,000 in
scholarships to help the contestants
[10:41] pursue their educational goals. Tickets
are available at eventbrite.com.
[10:47] We want to invite all of you to attend.
Bring a friend and help us in
[10:52] celebrating these girls and s supporting
the work that Sirtoma does for seniors
[10:57] in the Maize County area. And now I'll
turn this over to Richard, our
[11:02] president. Thank you.
>> Hey, some of you know me. I'm Richard,
[11:07] » president of the STOMA Club and the
senior citizen. This is my second
[11:12] goound. We do a lot of things that you
don't know about. We have free
[11:16] transportation. We have a van that runs
every day taking people all over town
[11:21] free. We serve free meals. We have
healthc care. We have bingo. We have all
[11:27] this stuff going on. And our mission was
and it still is
[11:32] the seniors and the city of prayer. We
couldn't make it without city of prior.
[11:37] We I thank you personally for each one
of you because so over the years you
[11:41] have supported us backed us give us
things when we needed it and it's just
[11:46] been a real blessing to us through this.
So we are going on with this our
[11:51] mission. This is the 76th year for this
passion. Each one of you need to be
[11:57] there and have a get a ticket. You
better get there early because they're
[12:00] selling out. I couldn't get the pulse.
Somebody bought them all [laughter]
[12:05] the papers. I mean, it's really getting
really getting excited. The city of
[12:09] Prior is getting excited about what's
going on in Prior. It's time. Tires.
[12:15] Prior's been a secret for too many
years.
[12:17] » I moved here in 70, started a business
in 70. So, I've been here for I've seen
[12:23] it way before Google even thought about
this place. But anyway, we thank you and
[12:30] we thank them the pulse. They put
something on the front page. It has
[12:35] never happened that I know of.
It's awesome. It's was wonderful. I can
[12:39] see the excitement going on. Anyway, I
don't have any more to talk with. Thank
[12:43] you.
>> Thank you.
[12:44] » Thank you. You
>> Thank you.
[12:51] We appreciate that.
[12:59] » All right, we're going to [sighs] move
on to the consent agenda. Um,
[13:05] » we are going to kind of jump around a
little bit. I'm going to request any
[13:09] items that need to be pulled. I'm gonna
pull E, obviously.
[13:16] Okay. Okay. If there's none other, then
we will get a motion to approve A
[13:20] through I with the exception of E.
>> Motion.
[13:24] » Second.
>> Okay. Call for vote.
[13:31] » Lamar,
>> yes.
[13:32] » Shopire,
>> yes.
[13:34] » Bradshaw,
>> yes.
[13:35] » Shears,
>> yes.
[13:37] » Tyler,
>> yes.
[13:39] » Traml,
>> yes.
[13:40] » Steve,
>> yes.
[13:41] » Smith,
>> yes. Okay. Um, MUB is wrapping up their
[13:46] their meeting right now and Jared had
asked to come up for item E. So, we'll
[13:50] give them a few minutes. We'll jump down
to the mayor's report.
[13:55] [clears throat]
Item A, discussion and possible action
[13:58] to accept a bid in the amount of 312,336
from Yamaha Golf Cart Company for the
[14:04] purchase of 60 new golf carts, three
utility carts at the prior uh Creek Golf
[14:08] Course in the best interest of the city.
One other bid was received from Clear
[14:12] Creek Golf Car and Utility Vehicles in
the amount of 237345.
[14:17] » Motion.
>> Motion from Choya.
[14:21] » Second.
>> Second from uh for Shears.
[14:25] Discussion.
[clears throat]
[14:27] » Did they say why they wanted the
Yamaha over Clear Creek?
[14:35] » Um we've got Dennis here. So, we're
gonna we're gonna
[14:40] » And also one other thing, uh, is it
what's the account number that would be
[14:45] associated with this purchase?
>> That was 41451.
[14:50] » 41541.
>> Yes.
[14:54] » Those memorized.
>> Just deal with the one.
[14:59] » What was that again?
>> Yes, we do. [laughter]
[15:03] Well, the first clarification on it all
is none of this is coming from tax
[15:08] dollars. Correct.
>> Correct. The golf course, where does the
[15:11] golf course get its income?
>> Sorry,
[15:13] » it's revenue. The golf course gets its
revenue from what?
[15:15] » It's income. Yeah, we generate our own
income and and we pay all of our
[15:19] expenses out of our revenue. We generate
and we do all our capital expenditures
[15:24] out of that.
>> All right. Well, I just had a lot of
[15:25] questions about it. So,
>> yeah,
[15:27] » I just wanted to make that.
>> Sure. Absolutely. [snorts]
[15:30] But go ahead with the the bid the bids
the difference between the two.
[15:34] » So uh
the golf course has been very successful
[15:39] with what we've been doing out there.
But uh the difference in the bids is
[15:44] club car bid their cart. Yamaha bid
their topofthe line cart which is a
[15:51] quiet tech cart. So that's what we have
right now.
[15:56] And when we went from electric to gas,
you know, the board wanted a quiet cart.
[16:02] They didn't want a loud cart out there.
So, because, you know, you got bunch of
[16:06] carts. So, that's why we went with the
uh Yamaha the last time. So, uh,
[16:15] [snorts]
we we we speced
[16:20] to I guess the engineer, he kind of
changed the specs the way he wanted to,
[16:25] which Yamaha could have bid a less
quality cart, didn't have the quiet
[16:31] technology on it, but they didn't do
that because that's not what we our
[16:35] interest was at the time. So, the park
board, they're the ones that made the
[16:41] decision. And I told them, it's totally
up to them. It doesn't matter to me
[16:44] either way. I want to have new [snorts]
carts. I need carts. I've got a lot of
[16:47] tournaments coming up. And every
tournament, I think I got two to three
[16:50] in March and it's probably going to 60
carts versus 50 is going to generate
[16:54] another thousand dollars a day. So, it
can, you know, it's going to really
[16:59] increase. I know uh [clears throat]
and and Bernie's here with Club Car. He
[17:04] can probably answer any Club Cars. From
my studies, Yamaha is about 25% more
[17:10] fuel efficient.
So, that's a quite
[17:15] » we be trading in any of these.
>> Yes, we're trading in all of ours.
[17:19] » Our 50 carts would get traded in.
>> So, does that take anything off the bid
[17:24] amount for 135,000?
>> Yeah.
[17:28] » And that was interesting. Both
>> Club Car and Yamaha had come up with the
[17:33] same freight in price for our carts.
So what would the fi So the final amount
[17:39] would be under 200 but what about the
amount from clear creek
[17:42] » that is the final
>> clear creek is 237
[17:45] » this amount has the
>> the original was 447 for
[17:50] » 37 yeah
>> so what's the difference in decibels
[17:58] [clears throat]
>> the noise difference
[18:00] you know uh I think it's about from 60
to 70 which is what they say has being
[18:05] in kind of a quiet room to being in a
very loud room.
[18:08] » To be real honest with you, I'm not
trying to be anyway right here, but
[18:12] » I've got a decibel meter running right
here and us talking in here is bumping
[18:16] 70,
>> right?
[18:17] » So, it couldn't be terribly loud. It's
not like running a chainsaw or
[18:22] something.
>> No, but problem is what it is.
[18:25] » Two or three carts in a group. And like
I said, the park board, they're the ones
[18:30] that made this decision. And uh we I did
have club car. They were nice enough to
[18:36] bring a card out in in Yamaha and you
could hop in them and see the
[18:39] difference. And
>> several of the park board members did.
[18:43] » So
I've got a few questions.
[18:47] » Um [clears throat]
[18:51] why weren't was not as the department
head? Why is the bid packet and specs
[18:58] not in our packet to study for this
consideration tonight? Several other
[19:03] department heads when they make big
purchases in our packet, we always have
[19:08] the information about that in detail.
Why was we not included in this this
[19:12] time?
>> I think that's been put out in the past
[19:14] and it just wasn't included this time.
So, okay, it's all been on Jay's desk or
[19:18] [clears throat] all of those
>> have been and always will be. So, okay.
[19:23] uh [clears throat]
[19:26] other than what is your real
justification? Well, let me ask this.
[19:31] What's the pros and cons? And then what
is your justification of why should we
[19:36] should go with something that's 75
approximately $75,000 higher?
[19:40] » The uh it's it's a park board made
decision, not me. So the I would think
[19:46] » but for the better the best interest of
the city
[19:49] » right
>> government the city
[19:53] » right I understand
>> government what's what's why the Yamaha
[19:56] over that what's the
>> I also don't think it's fair for you to
[19:58] put this on the park board I think that
I remember watching the meetings where
[20:01] you were advocating one for the Yamaha
strong the other so I don't think it's
[20:04] fair to put it on the backs of the
parkboard
[20:06] » they're trying to use your
recommendation but
[20:08] » right I'm going to explain it y
>> so
[20:12] we have the Yamaha quiet tech. Now, like
I said, we went with the quiet tech. We
[20:17] could have went with the less expensive
Yamaha cart long time ago. We went to
[20:21] quiet tech because we wanted the quiet
noise out there, and it's a noticeable
[20:25] difference. Uh that's why we brought the
carts up here for everybody to try out.
[20:29] And uh so I think I emailed everybody,
got an email to try it. So that that's a
[20:34] big difference. [clears throat] Uh
Yamaha does get 25% more better fuel
[20:40] economy. We did a test on it. uh not the
recent test, but the last time we did a
[20:46] test and it was a noticeable amount. And
I called a guy today in Arkansas and he
[20:52] says for him it's a huge savings of fuel
efficiency. He's had both. I haven't had
[20:56] I haven't had the club car. So, uh I
have drove them before, but I have never
[21:02] had one that we that we managed a fleet
of. So,
[21:07] » club cars are also aluminum framed,
right?
[21:09] » Yeah, club cars are aluminum framed.
They're a little bit lighter. He can
[21:12] tell you more about the club car than I
can, but uh you know,
[21:19] far as I know, the benefit, you know, we
trade our cars off every five years or
[21:23] so anyway. So, we've never had a frame
issue where it was easy to go or Yamaha.
[21:28] You know, we don't keep them long
enough. Now, if you as a homeowner, you
[21:32] want to keep one for 20 years, I think
it's probably a huge benefit to have
[21:36] aluminum frame, especially if you have
batteries with [cough]
[21:40] and [clears throat] everything. But now
they even have the uh the other
[21:44] batteries so you don't have to deal with
the acid problems.
[21:46] » Who which one has the higher resale
value?
[21:50] » Well, if again you're not comparing
apples to apples, but the the the Yamaha
[21:56] Quiet Tech
from when it's really hard to go online
[22:01] and find, hey, compare this apple to
that apple. And but I talked to a guy
[22:07] today. says Yamaha's about $1,000 more
if it's a quiet tech. I don't know. It's
[22:12] really hard to It's hard to say.
>> Well, I watched the park board meeting
[22:16] and I thought there was disc I could I'm
pretty positive there was some
[22:20] discussion that that uh it was ma
mentioned I thought by you but maybe one
[22:25] of the park board members that the club
car had a higher resale value.
[22:28] » I haven't seen that myself.
>> I believe the mayor spoke about that
[22:32] meetings.
>> You do a if you do a Google search and
[22:35] you put in the two models.
>> All right. Jim and I will tell you that.
[22:37] » And was the park board how many how many
members was president of the park board
[22:41] meeting?
>> I think just four
[22:43] » and not the whole group,
>> right?
[22:45] » Why did they not want to put this off
until the majority or everybody was
[22:49] there?
>> We're running out of time. I've got a
[22:52] lot of events coming up and you know
that's that's a big thing. We started
[22:56] this back in I think June.
>> Was it was it unanimous?
[23:01] » Uh no. I think uh we had one no vote and
three yeses. Mhm.
[23:06] » Okay.
>> Mr. Bowman, my observation this whole
[23:11] thing is for $70,000 you can give
everybody a set of earplugs
[23:16] » and a lot of cash.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
[23:19] Yeah.
>> That's
[23:22] » I think it's foolish to waste $70,000
just because of brand name.
[23:26] » Well, it's noise. I mean, how bad is
noise on a golf course you're out in the
[23:30] country,
>> right?
[23:32] » You're really worried about noise, you
got electric ones anyway.
[23:35] Yeah, the uh and it's not $70,000.
You have to take in the the 25% fuel
[23:42] savings, which is my calculations over
the five years would be about 28 to
[23:48] $30,000 of fuel savings.
>> Well, I think if I read right, 80% of
[23:53] the golf carts in Oklahoma are electric.
>> Yeah. So, if you want to save money and
[23:59] be quiet, let's get electric and forget
gasoline ones. But right now, we're
[24:03] talking about gasoline ones. And I think
we need to have the cheaper one, not the
[24:06] more expensive one. That'd be kind of
foolish.
[24:08] [snorts]
>> And it, like I said, it doesn't really
[24:12] matter to me if that's the direction
y'all want to go. I mean, I perfectly
[24:18] understand. And, you know, it's we we've
had a good deal going. We made good
[24:22] money out there. Uh, we've had good
response from our customers with what
[24:27] we've been doing with the carts and
stuff. So, but we want to change.
[24:32] I'm all good with it. Well, let me ask
this. Because of the [clears throat] the
[24:35] large price difference,
what further projects
[24:40] could be could an extra 70 or so grand
give or take?
[24:45] » Yeah, I told [clears throat] the park
board, yeah, we could buy the GPS system
[24:48] for that, you know.
>> Well, any other improvements, repairs,
[24:52] upgrades, the any anything on the golf
course. How much what could be I know
[24:56] we've done a lot out there.
>> Yeah, we have a a whole list of capital
[25:00] improvements and a priority list. So,
uh,
[25:04] » it's kind of a perpetual thing. It's
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[25:06] » There's always going to be
>> Yeah.
[25:08] » So, you just mentioned GPS. Uh, are they
are you going to purchase GPS event?
[25:13] » Yeah, we we'd like to purchase GPS uh
after we figure out which carts we go
[25:18] with.
>> What would that game for a golfer? You
[25:22] know, we get a lot of out of town
people, so the GPS provides them a map
[25:27] of where they're going, and it shows
them the yardages on the hole. Uh, you
[25:32] know, wherever you're at, it gives them
the distances to the flag. Uh,
[25:37] » I'm I'm going to show my ignorance here,
which is really not that hard to do, but
[25:40] I'm going to show it anyway. Uh, can you
get an app on your phone to do the same
[25:44] thing?
>> Yeah, on the GPS you can. Okay. The
[25:48] » biggest thing it does for us on the at
in the golf pro shop to to regulate the
[25:55] carts is one when it's cart pass only.
We we set up a geo fencing and you can
[26:01] keep the carts on the path. So even
though you tell people it's car pass
[26:04] only and they get off and they get
through the mud and they create problem
[26:08] areas.
>> Okay.
[26:09] » So uh there there's a lot of control. It
gives us more control knowing where the
[26:14] carts at. You know, sometimes golfers
will hop from hole 13 back to four or
[26:22] something, you know, that they hop
around. There's a there's a little bit
[26:25] of control there. Uh most all the area
golf courses are have went to GPS
[26:32] systems. I know Claremore does, Wasau
does. It it's it's really a a good
[26:38] feature.
>> It does a lot more than just
[26:40] » Iso and Claremore a municipal owned golf
course or private? Uh both of them are
[26:45] municipal own. Well,
Claremore is like half county and half
[26:51] city
and then AASO is uh municipal.
[26:57] » We don't have GPS's now, right?
>> No, that's something we haven't added.
[27:01] That would be another
>> around lost all the time on the golf
[27:04] course running over each other.
[laughter]
[27:08] » Is that something you charge extra?
>> Running over each It's something that we
[27:11] could raise our prices for because it's
a it's a nicer amenity
[27:15] » to pay for the
>> right.
[27:16] » Okay.
>> I'll speak on behalf of the GPS's. It it
[27:19] does help keep pace of play on track.
>> Um which is a huge problem. Yeah. And
[27:25] » I get it. Golf's a luxury, but when
you're going out there, you don't want
[27:28] to spend five and a half, six hours
playing around of golf. And being able
[27:32] to follow the people around, it it does
help keep them on track for that. And it
[27:36] does keep them out of areas that you
don't want them to go in because it will
[27:40] the cart will die. You have to put it in
reverse. It's it's an inconvenience. You
[27:43] you learn to start playing where you're
supposed to play or driving where you're
[27:46] supposed to drive. You may not play
where you're supposed to, but drive
[27:48] where you're supposed to drive.
>> It gives the pro shop total control of
[27:50] the carts. It'll send messages if
somebody's playing too slow or if they
[27:54] break down, they can send messages to
the shop. You know, it's a lot of lot of
[27:59] good communication. So, I guess my
question then is, is that something if
[28:05] you go with the Yamahas, is the GPS
going to have to wait then or if you get
[28:10] the um other car, would you be able to
go and get it and then I mean I guess
[28:16] it's Would you be able to get this
either way?
[28:18] » I I think so. That's from That's the way
the park board was talking that they
[28:22] would probably want to do it either way.
>> Either way.
[28:27] » I Googled the decibels. It's
[clears throat] 60 and a half on the
[28:30] quiet tech for the Yamaha and it said
around 90 for the club car.
[28:38] » What was that first one?
[28:42] » Mhm.
>> That's what it said. I don't
[28:45] » know.
[28:48] » See, we didn't get those though.
[28:54] » On the club car.
>> Okay. So they're comparable.
[28:58] » As far as the fuel consumption goes,
they both get 45 miles.
[29:04] » So there's not a 25% advantage.
>> And at the meeting, Dennis, you said,
[29:08] and you said it again a while ago, that
you really doesn't really matter to you.
[29:11] » It does not matter.
>> As long as you get some new golf carts.
[29:13] » Yes, sir. Yes. I, you know, I'm going to
have new golf carts and we get 60 of
[29:18] them, we're going to be
>> Who had the motion?
[29:20] » I did. Do you want to
>> I'll change my motion and go with the uh
[29:24] with the club cars
>> and I'll change the second.
[29:29] [snorts]
[29:31] » What's the estimated delivery?
>> Oh, you're you're
[29:43] » very good.
[snorts]
[29:47] » So that's 60 and three, right? I'm
sorry.
[29:50] » 60 and three 60 carts and three utility
carts.
[29:54] » Yes, sir.
>> Okay.
[29:56] » And I have one question. We said we're
not bidden apples to apples or we or
[30:01] have we're comparing apples to oranges.
Typically, when we send something out
[30:05] for bid, it should be apples to apples.
So, what got what is different in these
[30:09] two to say that they're not comparable?
I guess
[30:13] » what's different is
[clears throat]
[30:17] Yamaha bid their higherend cart which is
a quiet tech. They have a a lesser cart
[30:22] that they could have bid that's doesn't
have the quiet technology on it and is
[30:26] louder and so
>> so basically what you're saying it's
[30:30] like bidding a Ford versus a Lincoln
>> probably like
[30:34] » Yeah.
>> They all got [clears throat] the same
[30:36] back.
>> Okay.
[30:39] » Yeah. But the the main difference we're
talking about is noise level. Is that in
[30:42] in the difference in the carts?
>> I think so.
[30:44] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[30:47] For me, that's a hard sale to the
citizens for even though it's capital
[30:51] money from your all's account, like it's
hard to say that that 75,000 is better
[30:55] spent
um [snorts]
[30:59] on here.
[laughter]
[31:02] » Hey, I got a new I got enough frier
stickers. We can label them up.
[31:05] » You can do that.
>> Yeah. [snorts]
[31:07] » Got to get them marked.
So, we have a motion change and a
[31:12] second.
>> Yes.
[31:13] » Yep.
>> Call for the vote. We'll call for the
[31:15] vote. Yep.
>> Shire.
[31:17] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[31:19] » Yes.
>> Tyler,
[31:23] » yes.
>> Traml,
[31:25] » yes.
>> Steve,
[31:27] » yes.
>> Smith,
[31:29] » yes.
>> Lamar,
[31:30] » yes.
>> Okay. 60 golf carts. Some golf carts.
[31:34] » Awesome. Thank you.
Item B,
[31:39] discussion and possible action to accept
a lease purchase quote for 60 new golf
[31:44] carts and three utility carts for a
48-month term. Quotes received Bank of
[31:48] Commerce at a rate of 3.98%
and RCB at a rate of 4.48%.
[31:56] Do
>> you have a motion?
[31:57] » I'll make it. I
>> have a motion from Troy and a second
[32:00] from Charles.
Discussion.
[32:04] » Yes, I have a question. Yes, [snorts]
>> these interest rates and the number of
[32:10] the institutions that bid is completely
different than what was approved at a
[32:18] part board meeting a couple of months
ago. What what's why the change in why
[32:23] is bank left off and why have they
changed? Because one is now the lower
[32:27] bidder,
>> right,
[32:28] » that wasn't before. So we had to go back
out for different rates because those
[32:32] numbers had changed from the last time
with the duration
[32:34] » and their bids had expired.
>> Okay, I understand that and I know
[32:39] fluctuation but I just for
clarification,
[32:41] » right?
>> It was different than what the part
[32:43] board had
>> think I can't remember which ones it
[32:45] was. So one of them had 30 days, one had
60 days but they it was already past all
[32:49] that time
>> and they were only like a couple
[32:51] hundreds of percent off of each other
too. So right
[32:54] » that's a
thank you. Further discussion.
[32:59] » Right. Call for the vote.
>> Yes. Shears.
[33:04] » Yes.
>> Tyler.
[33:09] » What is the motion? What are we
approving
[33:10] » as written? Which which one?
>> The Bank of Commerce.
[33:15] » Okay. Thank you. That's what I was.
>> Yes.
[33:20] » Traml.
>> Yes.
[33:21] » Steve.
>> Abstain.
[33:23] » Smith.
>> Yes. Lamar,
[33:26] » yes.
>> Shopire,
[33:28] » yes.
Thank you. Is Jared out there in the
[33:33] hallway? Okay. Item C, discussion and
possible action to terminate a contract
[33:38] with time clocks plus also known as TCP.
Term ending March 31st, 2026. Written
[33:45] notice required by contract 30 days
prior to renewal.
[33:48] » Can before we make a motion, can I just
ask clarification? Why are we waiting on
[33:53] mob representatives to discuss something
that they only build for?
[33:58] » Because [snorts] they asked to be a part
of that and we're waiting on them to
[34:01] wrap up their meeting.
>> So
[34:05] they just
>> But why?
[34:08] » Because they asked to be a part of the
discussion.
[34:14] » Do I have a motion for item C?
>> Motion.
[34:17] » Have a motion from Steve Brown. Second.
Second [snorts] from Kenneth Brashier.
[34:23] I'm going to hand this one over to
Hannah to explain. She's done a lot of
[34:28] work on this.
>> Well, we're pretty excited that it's
[34:32] another
>> Excuse me.
[34:34] » Thank you.
>> It's another uh piece to the puzzle for
[34:39] our payroll.
Currently, we have TCP and we have to do
[34:45] a lot of stuff to try to get the time
over into payloity.
[34:50] Um this module will give us
let me let me go [clears throat] back.
[34:58] Our uh contract is just about to renew
March 31st. We've got to tell them
[35:05] within 30 days if we're not going to go
with them or or we've
[35:10] messed up. So in doing so we had already
been talking with Ploity and so the
[35:15] timing works out. pays time and labor
module. It works seamlessly from there
[35:22] to our payroll. I visited with um all of
the department heads and I talked to
[35:28] them about what it would cost to do time
clocks with Payloity and then the other
[35:32] options of how to clock in. So, you use
their software. You clock in with a
[35:38] tablet, a laptop or your phone app. It's
geoenced. So, the police love that they
[35:47] can geo fence it and get going. Even the
golf course uses that type of stuff. I
[35:52] went through and talked to all of them
and they were all on board because it
[35:55] does actually save their departments
cash and that's what I was worried about
[36:00] was causing them to have any more
troubles with their cash flow. Um,
[36:05] secondly, it will make payroll
uh just work better and it's all going
[36:11] to go across. So
if you guys decide so it's going to save
[36:16] us some time and it's going to save
money because TCP is about 15,000
[36:24] annually and this is going to run just
under 10
[36:28] » and it will integrate with the pay lossy
stuff we already have.
[36:31] » Yeah adjustments
>> the time adjustment.
[36:34] » So when an employee misses or when they
didn't clock in or out on time,
[36:38] » it'll still be a lot like what we're
doing now. We have a system that we make
[36:43] sure they're taken care of.
>> Is it
[36:45] » and the department heads make sure and
watch it.
[36:47] » Is it going to require
a bunch of training for the employees to
[36:51] » It'll be a little bit, but it's a lot
like what TCP is, so it won't be too
[36:57] tough on them. We've already told them
that we'd go to the departments and give
[37:01] them runthroughs and get together
>> and it will fit with um
[37:08] PD's pretty standard schedule now, but
if they had a 12-hour schedule or like
[37:11] the fire department's 24-hour schedule,
it'll it'll go in with all of that.
[37:14] » Yes, we're going to put it after the uh
collective bargaining agreements are
[37:18] complete. We upload those agreements and
then the time is set off of those
[37:24] agreements. So that's why we'd like you
guys to be really set on what you decide
[37:30] on so it's not so unique.
>> Okay.
[37:34] » So this is going to be better and
cheaper, right?
[37:36] » Yeah.
>> That's what we're after. That's not like
[37:38] a winner.
>> We did bring it up in our department
[37:41] head meeting this week and I'm
>> I'm going to tell you every department
[37:45] head was 100% behind it except for
Carrie, but her her representation was
[37:50] here and [laughter]
[37:55] just for clarification sake. But I think
it'll be a better system to integrate
[37:58] with what we've what we've invested in
over the last year. And so
[38:01] » no earplugs required.
>> Carrie, why did you boycott that
[38:04] particular meter? [laughter]
[38:10] » You're good.
>> Zoom.
[38:12] » So all right. Is there any further
discussion on that? If not, we'll call
[38:16] for the vote.
>> Bruce,
[38:18] » yes.
>> Tyler,
[38:20] » yes.
>> Chaml,
[38:22] » yes. Steve,
>> yes.
[38:24] » Smith,
>> yes.
[38:25] » Lamar,
>> yes.
[38:26] » Shopire,
>> yes.
[38:27] » Bradshaw,
>> yes.
[38:29] » Thank you.
>> Discussion and possible action to hire
[38:34] Jackson Palma Branchstead.
>> What about D?
[38:37] » Oh, I'm sorry. I circled D and I went
right on past it. I apologize. All
[38:41] right. Discussion of possible action to
purchase time and labor software from
[38:44] Payloity not to exceed 10,000 to be paid
from general software account 022015260
[38:51] to replace time clocks plus TCP.
>> Motion.
[38:55] » We have a motion from
uh Kenneth and a second from Steve
[38:59] Brown. Discussion.
This is the software that goes with uh
[39:04] the previous item. When I know that our
contract on the last one ends March 31,
[39:08] but when do are we looking at
implementing this?
[39:11] » I I have a call with payity if you guys
approved it tomorrow to get started.
[39:17] » Okay.
>> So, it's probably going to be pretty
[39:19] quick.
>> Okay.
[39:23] » Let me go ahead and call for the vote.
>> Brashers,
[39:26] » yes.
>> Tyler,
[39:28] » yes.
>> Traml,
[39:29] » yes.
>> Steve,
[39:30] » yes.
>> Smith,
[39:32] » yes.
>> Lamar,
[39:33] » yes. Shopire,
>> yes.
[39:35] » Bradshaw,
>> yes.
[39:36] » Okay. Sorry about that, guys. All right.
Now, item E, discussion and possible
[39:41] action to hire Jackson Palma Branchstead
as B operator at the street department
[39:46] range C step one to fill a vacancy
created by the termination of Justin
[39:50] Wallace.
>> Motion.
[39:51] » Second.
>> We have a motion from Joya and a second
[39:53] from Bradshaw. Discussion.
>> Okay, we'll call for the vote.
[40:00] » Tyler,
>> yes. Traml,
[40:03] » yes.
>> Steve,
[40:04] » yes.
>> Smith,
[40:05] » yes.
>> Lamar,
[40:07] » yes.
>> Shire,
[40:08] » yep.
>> Bradshaw,
[40:09] » yes.
>> Rashers,
[40:11] » yes.
>> Okay. Um, we're going to go back up to
[40:14] item E and proceed
of the consent agenda. Discussion and
[40:18] possible action on approval of a 3% rate
increase from prior waste and recycling
[40:23] LLC for all refues pickup beginning
March 1st, 2026, consistent with the
[40:28] mutual agreement of October 2007. Motion
to discuss but no action.
[40:33] » Second.
>> I have a motion to discuss with no
[40:36] action. Bruce, are you
>> second
[40:38] » as he said it?
>> Okay.
[40:43] » I have uh invited
Dinsmore with Western Recycling and
[40:49] former mayor Traml to come up and give
us some background on this contract.
[41:01] You guys will come on up here. Um I'm
sure there'll be some questions.
[41:06] » Um just give us the background on how
this contract came, what it is, and why
[41:10] it is the way it is. Please,
[41:14] » you want to start? I'm longwinded.
[laughter]
[41:21] » Well, I don't really know where to
begin. Um,
[41:27] you know, we've kind of,
uh,
[41:32] you know, there's rising cost in
everything we do. I mean,
[41:36] last year we didn't ask for raise
and then in June we got bit with a 10%
[41:43] increase in disposal
and usually every summer we're going to
[41:48] get hit sometime with an increase.
There's only three locations to go with
[41:53] trash and we uh we use semi trucks to
truck it. Uh we do that for several
[41:59] reasons. We try to operate it's our tent
to operate as efficient as we possibly
[42:06] can and that take and one of the reasons
why [snorts] whenever I got involved
[42:13] thanks to this guy.
[42:16] I had been with international trucks for
over 30 years and then I went to
[42:22] Freightlininer become a vocational
marketing major for Oklahoma. My forte
[42:28] was work trucks. Jardia, whether it's
Gardier, the city of Prior, the city of
[42:33] Tulsa, so forth, so on, every it was
work trucks. And so the refuge industry
[42:41] had changed to the point that it wasn't
so much about the pickup, it was about
[42:47] the transport. And why? What my when I
sit down, I figure how much it costs to
[42:54] transport a ton of trash a mile.
Unfortunately,
[42:59] where we have we used to go to the burn
plant and uh that was our source of
[43:05] recycling and we did it for many years
and they took and burned the trash to
[43:11] generate steam and create electricity.
the burn plant become old, had a lot of
[43:19] issues, boilers and so [clears throat]
and so on. They really catered to the
[43:24] city of Tulsa and they just kind of
slowly pushed us out. Uh we go now to
[43:31] 171st Street West and we dispose there.
That is one of the best locations in
[43:38] Oklahoma. Uh they pull methane gas out
uh run generators, power about 80 80,000
[43:45] homes. Uh they're environmentally as far
as DEQ's concerned, they love them
[43:52] because they have a great landfield. One
of the things that that I have
[43:58] uh being on the council myself and
chairing the sanitation department and
[44:04] also the street department and whatever
else Lucy get me on.
[44:10] [clears throat] One of the things that
we made sure of is that the city per EPA
[44:18] and DEEQ is responsible for the trash
from Cradle Gray. Not one year, not 10
[44:25] years, not a 100 years, forever. So if
there's an environmental issue, they can
[44:31] come back on city of Prior. It's my
responsibility to make sure that that's
[44:36] legal. If you ask me where city of prior
trash went,
[44:44] let's say June the 20th,
2011.
[44:49] I can pull documents and show you where
that trash went. So, we make sure that
[44:53] we uh are very efficient and we make
sure that we dispose legally and
[45:01] properly. Another thing is the transfer
station. And I want to tell you guys
[45:06] something. I bit off a there was many
times I bit off more than I could chew.
[45:11] That man right there knows how difficult
trash business can be. And there was
[45:16] days that we we started that transfer
station.
[45:20] [clears throat] I'm about I'm I'm dry.
I'm I'm chewing too much gum. [laughter]
[45:25] When I took when I started the trash
business,
[45:29] there was a a lot of issues
with uh having trash picked up. Uh, I
[45:37] tried to help for two years. The
transfer station was not completed and
[45:43] we to when we took over, I had to buy
new equipment.
[45:47] And what happened and I'm I'm going to
go ahead and use a little be your
[45:52] thunder.
>> I could care less.
[45:54] » What what happened was when this
gentleman kept calling me and he said,
[45:59] "We are getting bombarded with
complaints." Bombarded. I've got letters
[46:05] from Terry Hill, which everybody knows
Terry. She wrote a letter and she said,
[46:10] "We were just the the utility office was
just spent tremendous amount of time
[46:16] with all these complaints." And Jimmy
kept after me. He wanted me to retire
[46:21] and wanted to start a sanitation
department. And I said, "Jimmy, you
[46:25] can't do that." I said, "Transporting
trash and running trucks and hiring
[46:29] drivers and so forth and so on." I said
that's not the city's expertise.
[46:35] So, do I have five minutes?
>> No, you're good.
[46:39] » Okay. [laughter]
>> I was hoping you were hoping.
[46:42] » Yeah.
But anyway, so what happened was was
[46:48] that I went to Ken Prather, the CPA at
the time, and prior been here for years,
[46:54] and I asked Ken to sit down and work
with me with the budget. And we sat down
[46:58] and it whenever Bruce whenever Prior
decide to contract out the rate was $757
[47:07] for twice a week pickup. Whenever I took
over it was $10.50.
[47:14] Jimmy had done some research,
found a large company that was willing
[47:19] to come in here in all the trash for $16
a house. He called me. He said,
[47:26] "Dinsmore,
I raise these people from $1050 to $16,
[47:31] they'll hang me." And one thing led to
another. And I said, "Jimmy, I don't
[47:36] have the financing capability of buying
all new trucks."
[47:42] First priority, Gary Shaml, and along
with Terry and and Andy Richards, we put
[47:49] together a a way of being able to borrow
the money
[47:56] Uh matter of fact, I paid off that loan
three years ago. That transfer station
[48:01] was expensive. And let me tell you about
the transfer station.
[48:07] Lucy Bell Schultz is one of one of the
transfer station. And she w they had the
[48:12] dog pound road area and it was receiving
tremendous amount of complaints from DEQ
[48:19] to DEQ. [snorts]
We shut we shut that down and Jim Hines
[48:25] built that transfer station.
We had he had other areas that he was
[48:30] trying to locate in. But the problem is
whenever you put in a landfill or
[48:36] transfer station, you have to hold up a
public hearing.
[48:41] And every time he found a location,
people didn't want it in their backyard.
[48:47] And so what happened was the old
landfield
[48:51] was the only place that was did not have
a house within that mile. So whenever
[48:57] the the notice went out and we had a
public hearing, nobody attended because
[49:03] nobody qualified to be within that area.
The uh
[49:10] landfill
is a difficult place to build on and
[49:14] there's only two things you can do with
the landfill. You can graze cattle on it
[49:19] or you can build a transfer station. You
can't build a business. You can't even
[49:22] bail the hay. And so what happened is we
bu he built on the transfer station, but
[49:29] that thing is constantly sinking,
settling, and so he had to drive H beams
[49:37] all the way down to the bedrock. And
that transfer station is suspended,
[49:41] tremendously expensive. And we are we
maintained that whole area and we
[49:48] cleaned it up, pulled all the the thorn
trees out.
[49:52] » Yes. And this and Randy Drake sprayed
this for the sickle I mean thistle
[49:57] because thistle you've got to control
it. It's a requirement by the
[50:01] agriculture department and we cleaned it
up and we still are filling in holes for
[50:06] where we can mow it. uh a lot of
concrete, pipe and everything. And so
[50:12] the landfill has been a nightmare to
manage, but we do it. And basically what
[50:19] we have had an agreement with uh for a
long time. The activity the the things
[50:25] that the city sponsors and has we charge
nothing for. If the cemetery comes out
[50:30] with a load of flowers and needs to
throw them away, there's no charge. We
[50:35] pick up the trash on Main Street on
Saturday mornings at four o'clock. We
[50:42] And
uh Zach has called me several times. We
[50:46] we we bring Lur loss for Main Street
prior. Uh we've done a lot to help in a
[50:53] lot of ways, but when it comes to city
operation, even m we don't charge
[50:57] anything for that. But anyway, I could
go on. Uh it's it's been a it's been a
[51:03] challenge and uh the 3% uh you know
through the years uh it' be eight it'll
[51:11] be 18 years come April the 8th of this
year and uh we've climbed a lot of
[51:17] mountains and we have a we feel like we
have great service. Uh what we did was
[51:23] that uh my office manager today ran a
cost analysis of our surrounding towns
[51:31] that have a close population and kind of
shows you what
[51:38] and I'll I'll turn this a little bit
more in detail.
[51:42] » Thank you.
[51:50] » Thank you sir.
Thanks.
[52:04] » Thank you.
[52:10] » We've been through this before,
>> haven't we?
[52:13] » Yeah. Thank you very much.
>> Yes, we have.
[52:20] I'm sorry.
>> That's okay.
[52:23] » Thank you.
>> What that what that explains
[52:28] prior is extremely unique.
Twice a week pick up is almost totally
[52:35] unheard of. Per contract
[snorts] explains exactly how many
[52:41] gallons can be set out.
And they're allowed what it boils down
[52:46] to. They allow four 32gallon containers
and they can include two bags of leaves,
[52:55] vegetation, flowers, clean out a garden
to painted plants or whatever. And then
[53:01] you also can have a bundle of sticks
that's 4 foot long and tight. And that's
[53:07] what we that's per contract since 1989.
That's what we pick up. Now, to say
[53:14] we're perfect, no.
You know, we we don't do everything uh
[53:21] perfectly. But that's
that that shows you what the the trash
[53:29] that is available with what people can
set out within the city limits. That's
[53:35] what the cost is per gallon.
[53:42] And uh
>> well I can tell you one thing at
[53:44] Christmas time when we had family in and
stuff like that and we had a whole bunch
[53:49] more than what here.
>> Mhm.
[53:51] » There never was a word said. You just
picked it up and that was it.
[53:54] » Yeah. There you
>> open it for you. You want me open it for
[53:58] you?
>> What's that?
[53:59] » Oh, thank you.
>> I looked at that. I thought maybe you
[54:03] drank out of it and I didn't want to
[laughter]
[54:10] » for clarification. I well I'm still
giving history take over from here.
[54:15] » Okay.
>> I just pretty much wanted to
[54:18] you know I I I'll start that once this
thing started and I council was here.
[54:25] [snorts] We were at Jim Hind sanitation.
He had trucks was dumping trash out on
[54:32] Dog Pound Road out there. That spot out
there by there's a cemetery out there
[54:35] cemetery out there. Mhm.
>> We'll all remember that he was dumping
[54:39] trash on the ground,
>> not hauling it off,
[54:44] » okay? It was a bad deal. His trucks
wouldn't run. He couldn't get them
[54:47] running. And so we started looking
because the complaints were just
[54:51] unbelievable. We started looking and
about places to go. DEEQ was on our
[54:58] tail. Oklahoma Water Resources were on
our tail. That was a floodway, which
[55:02] they're putting water floodway out
there. Okay. So, and So that's one
[55:06] that's one of the things we started
looking at. So we performed we we got a
[55:10] group of guys one of them Roy Ray to go
out and look at different proposals. I
[55:15] wanted to bring it in house.
I wanted to bring it in house. I said
[55:19] let's bring it in house. So we brought
Bill sold trucks. So we got price of
[55:23] trucks. We went to and I think it was
Clammore at that time and so we want to
[55:26] see what it cost. Clammore said don't.
Clamore said do not do in-house because
[55:30] it'll cost you a fortune and
maintenance. The other thing was I
[55:34] wasn't aware of later on. You have
greenhouse gases and I can't put that
[55:38] with terminology.
>> Yes.
[55:40] » Going to and from so that was one of the
things that we did when we did we looked
[55:45] at this thing. We took a overall look at
it and we got when $16 like Bill said I
[55:52] think 16 or 17 I could be wrong was the
price back and I want to say I thought
[55:56] it was about 20 I don't when what year
was 20 some was a price that we got we
[56:00] got estimated 2007 or we got estimated
for pick up trash in town and so we
[56:08] started looking at this thing and so at
that point in time we had the uh we had
[56:14] the the like you said Lucy Bill was had
looked at Jim Hines and so Jim Hines
[56:19] said I can build a I can build a
transfer station. Well, he started the
[56:23] transfer station out there. When he
started the transfer station out there,
[56:26] Jim Jim was a good guy. He had no money.
When he built the transfer station, I
[56:32] and I'm not smart enough to know this,
but but he built a building and then
[56:36] when you squeeze that thing, squeeze the
water out of it. Well, and so when you
[56:40] squeeze the water out of it, the water
was going under the ground. Well, we got
[56:42] in trouble. Okay, we got in trouble back
then because we had no place for that
[56:47] water to go because we wanted to. I
wanted to and so did Bill. We wanted to
[56:52] put it in our sewage treatment facility.
Well, you know what that causes? Gary
[56:56] was smart enough to know that's going to
cause influx in your sewage treatment
[56:59] facility. So, we we stepped back a
little bit. So, we went back and started
[57:04] looking at this thing over. So, it and
when we did that thing, I went to Bill.
[57:10] We sit right there said Bill but let's
see what it takes to get this thing
[57:13] right because we wanted to do it have
one shot to do it right and one shot on.
[57:18] And so
when we did Bill we Bill we started
[57:23] looking at Bill said I can he went to
like you said he went to the bank. Bill
[57:26] Bill said I can build a transfer
station. I can squeeze it. And at that
[57:32] point in time he started squeezing. We
started taking the stuff over to a a
[57:37] trash energy plant over in Tulsa before
they had to shut down stuff and that was
[57:41] that was our recycling portion of
recycle bank. But that since closed or
[57:44] got too high. So that was what we did.
But we also Bill had so we got Bill had
[57:49] when I prior waste and recycling. They
also had to take the separate the sewage
[57:55] [snorts] the bathrooms and the water out
go to the sewer over there and put this
[58:02] other stuff in a tank out there to draw
the water out of it. So it before you
[58:06] put it in the creek. So it had to be
clean. So that was part of the bid
[58:09] process out there with this transfer
station. The other thing about the
[58:12] transfer station out there was was the
thing out holes were sunk and all kinds.
[58:17] If you never was out there when you was
a kid, I can remember going out there
[58:20] when I was a kid running around. And so
that's what we So when we looked at this
[58:24] thing, looked at this thing as really as
a whole, we looked at it and said, "Hey,
[58:29] what are we going to have to do to help
him?" Because he couldn't go get he
[58:34] couldn't go get the money from the bank
to borrow that was going to take to fix
[58:38] this thing. Okay. Okay. So, we had So,
what we did back then, we get we we got
[58:43] together and said, "Let's do a
contract." Roy Ray was part of this
[58:46] contract. If you don't remember Roy Ray,
okay, Roy Ray was part of this contract.
[58:49] And I my memory serves me correct. Bill
doesn't know some of this stuff. Was
[58:52] that we had a uh had we we had uh a
three-year we had three-ear contrial
[59:05] for 15 years. Okay. It's what we had
with this escalation clause in it for
[59:10] the simple reason that was the only way
and the city had to allow bill or
[59:16] privation recycling to fix that was
mandatory to fix that transfer station
[59:20] up. So that was the only way he could go
borrow the money. And I won't say which
[59:24] the the uh accountant down here in town.
Everybody knows him. He's there was one
[59:28] of the great accountants in town. And we
had another banker in town. And that's
[59:32] what that's how we we partnered with
these people to make this thing happen.
[59:37] And so when we partnered with it, he he
bid off he bid it off. So he come to the
[59:42] council one night and uh we we went out
we went out for we went out for bid.
[59:47] Okay? Okay. And I can tell you right
now, when we went out, when we went out
[59:50] for bid with this stuff right here, I'll
tell you, and I probably shouldn't say
[59:52] this. I'm sitting right there as mayor
and Dennis Nichols was in the back and I
[59:58] was offered a bribe to take contract. I
told Chief Nichols, I guarantee you I I
[1:00:05] puckered up like you can't believe
because I didn't want anybody put any
[1:00:08] money in my blue pickup because contract
was that that what we wanted and what we
[1:00:12] decided to do was we wanted to take a
chance. We knew that we could recycle
[1:00:17] and put it in town. Okay. So, we wanted
to take a chance. So, we we took a
[1:00:20] chance on prior waste and recycling
doing what he said he could do. That Roy
[1:00:24] Ray said he was a prior boy and I know
his dad and and his grandpa, you know,
[1:00:28] had a plumbing business. They're honest.
So, that's why we went with this with
[1:00:31] system. Now, the other side of this
equation is is that about that time once
[1:00:36] we started all this stuff, we got lucky.
I got lucky as mayor. I got lucky. We
[1:00:40] had an ice storm. You remember the ice
storm? We had the when we had the ice
[1:00:45] storm back then, we had no place to go
with a brush. None. So, we had a guy by
[1:00:52] the name of Fenton Rude, I think was his
name. Come. Huh?
[1:00:56] » That's it.
>> He come over here and he he what he did
[1:00:58] was he said, "I'm going to sanction the
brush dump." Well, I said, "Okay, let's
[1:01:04] sanction the brush dump for the brush."
Well, I got the brainy idea. Let's just
[1:01:09] open it up and let people just brush it,
dump it in there free.
[1:01:13] And let me tell you what, that was the
biggest mistake I ever had because you
[1:01:17] ever been to those little post holes?
They got they got cris in them. They got
[1:01:21] arsenic in them. Well, Fenton came over
here and inspected it one day. And when
[1:01:27] he did, he said, "Shut it down." DQ
said, "Shut it down." And I said, "What
[1:01:32] are we going to?" He said, "You got to
clean it up. I'm going to pull your
[1:01:34] permit because we we we that that we're
the only one only place in the state of
[1:01:39] Oklahoma that has a burn pit now like
what we've got. And so he pulled he said
[1:01:44] I'm going to pull the permit and I so I
went to Bill and I said I got to have
[1:01:48] some help. I said somebody's got to
manage this brush going in there.
[1:01:53] [clears throat] So we went to Bill and
can you manage the brush going in there?
[1:01:56] He said I can do more than that. You
bring your street crew over there on
[1:01:59] Saturday and let's separate this stuff.
We were and DEQ come over and oversaw
[1:02:04] everything that then he took it and
hauled it off and that's how that that
[1:02:07] facility started back there. Then later
on the uh they come up with burn
[1:02:13] incinerators. Okay. I didn't qualify the
city didn't qualify for a burn
[1:02:17] incinerator.
Shoto got it. Well Sh burn incinerator
[1:02:23] flopped because it didn't work. You burn
down not burn up. But we're the only
[1:02:27] facility, the only place in the state
that's got a place that you can actually
[1:02:30] burn brush. That's legal. And he he
managed that process. I say all that to
[1:02:35] say this, the contract that one of the
things that we wanted to do, we looked
[1:02:39] at this contract. We wanted to protect
the citizens of Prior. That was one of
[1:02:44] the things that we wanted to do. That's
what I thought we did. So we so when the
[1:02:47] contract come, we we got this contract
through 2044.
[1:02:53] auto renewal with through 2044 with this
escalation clause in there for the
[1:02:58] simple reason that we knew that this
business is very very volatile very
[1:03:04] competit very competitive and go out
there and look at So we got through 2024
[1:03:08] and we knew that this guy right here we
trusted this guy and he get so in order
[1:03:14] to keep his business in quarter trucks
and uh people hired I I don't know he's
[1:03:19] probably got about $2 million payroll
out there now what he's probably got
[1:03:22] close to it you haven't been out there
you need to go out there but my point is
[1:03:26] saying and it's auto renewal
every five years or three years and we
[1:03:31] did that for this reason was to protect
the citizens of prior I didn't want you
[1:03:35] Zach I didn't want you or anybody else
to go through what we went through was
[1:03:39] that trash dump and I mean it was brutal
and DEEQ was going to find us there's
[1:03:45] going to lose all of their NFIP national
flood insurance we going to lose all of
[1:03:49] that for the citizens of prior you know
so that's the reason why this thing is
[1:03:53] set up the way it is and I set it up me
and I think it was uh Randy Elliot and
[1:04:02] Ben Shear and Ken Prather
and Gary Shaml. I think we all set this
[1:04:10] thing up so he could get financing. And
that's what we did. Make sure that he
[1:04:13] was protected on financing is why we did
this thing. So if anybody to blame, you
[1:04:17] got to blame me. Then later on Zach to
blame, but this contract is why we want
[1:04:21] to make sure that that he's protected.
Not only him, and I'm telling you right
[1:04:26] now, he's getting old just like I am.
And I want to make sure that whoever's
[1:04:30] and his son's right there and his son
they got enough to make sure that we're
[1:04:33] protected to do trash service. And so
the trash service is that way. If you go
[1:04:37] out there now,
they take all that brush in there and it
[1:04:41] inspects it. It's clean. I don't know if
any problems you have. You know, one of
[1:04:46] the biggest one of the biggest things
that we want to do, we also looked at
[1:04:49] bidding uh
with bidding dumpsters. Okay. And he
[1:04:55] when we was going to look at one time go
to lighter trucks and bid dumpsters.
[1:05:00] Well, we took this we took this thing
in. The citizens did not want a dumpster
[1:05:06] for the simple reason because the
dumpster wouldn't hold as much trash.
[1:05:11] » Polycart
>> as polycart wouldn't hold as much trash.
[1:05:13] And so we had I won't say his name. So
we had a guy outside of town there would
[1:05:18] bring him in and put him in sever
several several of his uh his his rental
[1:05:24] houses and then we would you know and he
didn't use water. So we passed a deal
[1:05:28] water on trash service. We had to you
had to pay for trash service. Suppose
[1:05:31] you got water you had to pay for trash
service. I say that this has been a this
[1:05:35] has been a great partnership.
Now it's a pain sometimes. It's been a
[1:05:40] great partnership with the city citiz
trash all over the state of Oklahoma is
[1:05:44] difficult. And if you want to see
something nasty, just see go over the
[1:05:48] trash. If you go over to uh I took some
took some stuff over to uh my daughter
[1:05:53] lives at Clam. I took some stuff over to
the landfill at over by American
[1:05:57] Airlines here a while back. $40. What
took me for my pickup just just to walk
[1:06:01] in just to drive in the gate.
>> I did that too. $45. $40 just just my my
[1:06:07] pickup for so my point saying that is
yeah this contract is is very lengthy 3%
[1:06:14] Bill didn't ask for 3% every year he
bought he bought playground equipment
[1:06:18] with some money that he donated we
bought playground equipment over at Choy
[1:06:22] over in that part we bought playground
equipment over there so he's been a good
[1:06:25] partner and his company's been a good
partner the other thing that you that
[1:06:29] you cannot replace
>> is our is our impact that we have with
[1:06:34] DEEQ Q and and NFIP and the National
Flood Insurance Department. You cannot
[1:06:39] replace that because that goes a long
way because they they see that. I don't
[1:06:43] know if it if they only inspected it
once or twice, you know, they'll come
[1:06:46] out and do us, but we I don't know if we
ever had a fall. Now, we had over there
[1:06:50] at the old one, we had numerous
complaints and so 3% escalation,
[1:06:57] you know, cost goes up, you know,
[clears throat]
[1:07:00] I haven't I haven't seen 3% increase in
my uh I haven't in my social security
[1:07:05] and well since I retired, you know,
[snorts] so [clears throat and cough] I
[1:07:07] can use 3%. But my point is citizens are
well taken care of. This guy's taking a
[1:07:12] well taken care of and the contract I we
put the contract out that way for that
[1:07:17] reason. And I wanted to protect him. I
want to protect his investment. I want
[1:07:22] to protect the citizens because one
thing that like whether you like me or
[1:07:26] not, I love the city of Prior.
>> I love the city of Pride alone. No,
[1:07:32] without any qualms about it, you know. I
love the city of I love what we do and
[1:07:36] where we're going, where it's going. I
love it. And I don't want to see
[1:07:39] anything bad eye or anything else for
the city of Prior. I want to see the
[1:07:43] city of Pride do well. That's my that's
my love. So that's one. So I I encourage
[1:07:48] you, you know, and I'm and I'm open to
any question you want to ask me. I'll
[1:07:52] answer it or whatever I can. I tried to
look at I've got some of the old copies
[1:07:56] of old contracts at my house, stuff like
it, but I'll [clears throat] answer any
[1:08:00] question that I can think of to answer.
I just think that trash business is a
[1:08:06] tough business and a nasty business.
>> Too many moving parts.
[1:08:09] » Too many. You know,
>> Jimmy, let me ask you a question. This
[1:08:12] contract, did it go through the public
works authority or go through the city
[1:08:16] of Prior?
>> Both. What what we did, Bruce, what we
[1:08:20] what we did, we took it to the street
committee. Okay.
[1:08:23] » All right.
>> All right. We took it to the street
[1:08:24] committee. Okay. We went to the street
committee. And I couldn't tell you. I I
[1:08:29] couldn't tell you on the top of my head
now if it went from the street committee
[1:08:32] to council or it went to PPWA. I'm
thinking it probably went through PPWA
[1:08:38] more than likely because that's the way
he could borrow the money. You know,
[1:08:42] back with the prior public works, PPWA
has when you go to get bonds and stuff,
[1:08:46] you go to PPWA, not that because it was
the building. So, we had to back it. I
[1:08:50] think it had to go to through PPWA
because the city couldn't city can't
[1:08:54] obligate itself belong one year. So, we
had to go that way and that and I think
[1:08:57] that's what we had to do. I could be
wrong about that. I don't remember, but
[1:09:00] I think that's what it was.
Yeah, that's that's whenever we had the
[1:09:05] meeting with Gary Shaml first priority,
they were willing to get involved in the
[1:09:10] financial part of it and we met
downstairs like I said earlier and one
[1:09:15] of the thing there's two things that the
the bank stipulated number one was that
[1:09:23] they would finance it for 15 years but
they want that's where the three
[1:09:28] fiveyear term come out and that
five years, three renewal terms. The
[1:09:35] second thing is they won their money
first. Terry Hill every month would go
[1:09:42] down to that bank and deposit that money
and bank [snorts] got their payment
[1:09:46] before anything. So, there was a lot of
little moving parts to get it started.
[1:09:52] And again, my my uh whole life has been
centered around work trucks. I know
[1:09:59] refuge truck from front to back. I
probably I probably have more knowledge
[1:10:03] about the refuge industry and refuge
equipment than anybody in prior and
[1:10:08] maybe in Maze County. When I buy a
truck, I buy it on five years. I put
[1:10:14] every warranty on that I can and the
reason why to pull a truck in a ch shop
[1:10:20] now is $245
an hour to work on truck. So I fall back
[1:10:26] on the warranty. excuse
>> to take care of the equipment and to
[1:10:30] provide good service. When I was on the
council, we constantly heard how the
[1:10:35] trucks were breaking down the middle of
the streets,
[1:10:38] pouring oil out of them. You can follow
the trash truck throughout the town.
[1:10:42] [snorts] They stunk to high heavens. I
mean, it was a it was a joke to the city
[1:10:48] of Prior to have that type of refuge
operation. And again, I I stepped off
[1:10:56] and took a chance. Uh I did not for the
first three years, Tim Prather was
[1:11:03] right. We barely made it. I took every
penny out of my retirement, my 401ks to
[1:11:10] make payroll. And I'm going to tell you
guys, I worked seven days a week, 15
[1:11:14] hours a day.
>> Can I say something else, too?
[1:11:16] » And and it was it was a tough tough
time. One of the things and I don't want
[1:11:20] to mention any names here. I can
remember when they started
[1:11:23] the city of Prior had a contractor, I'm
not going to say any names, dumping it
[1:11:29] illegally.
Okay, there's a file in there. The city
[1:11:33] of Prior is responsible for that site.
If anything ever leeches out of that
[1:11:39] site, City of Prior is responsible that
site. It's in there on file right now.
[1:11:43] It was I don't know how many years ago
and you know the contract they're dead
[1:11:47] but city of prior for that and that's
how come it's so important when you get
[1:11:51] pick up and I'm not talking about just
trash if you have a dumpster a big one
[1:11:56] of those big large dumpsters that you
picked up at somebody's businesses you
[1:11:59] got to know where that goes you know we
had somebody dumping it at iron post we
[1:12:03] had to stop that one time you know
taking it to iron post you know so my
[1:12:07] point saying that is there's a lot of
issue a lot of moving parts in this
[1:12:10] stuff so I again. Contract is 2044. I'm
here. I'm going to shut up. You got any
[1:12:17] questions for me? Answer me.
[1:12:21] » Just to clarify, what do you charge the
city?
[1:12:25] » I'm sorry.
>> What do you charge the city?
[1:12:27] » What you What do you charge the city,
Bill?
[1:12:29] » What do you charge the city for for
trash pickup?
[1:12:32] » What I charge the city?
>> Because he wants to know what your fees
[1:12:37] are.
>> The current rates.
[1:12:38] » Current rates.
>> 1675. the the the city like not not
[1:12:43] general citizens of the city, the city
of
[1:12:45] » Priunal
>> municipal.
[1:12:48] » Well, the the reason I asked that is in
the letter it says with the city budget
[1:12:54] being tight last year, we made the
decision for to forgo the increase. The
[1:12:59] city budget's not the concern of prior
waste. So,
[1:13:05] » and and on top of that, hold on. On top
of that, I've had folks from city
[1:13:10] clerk's office tell me that there are
charges to mub or through mub to prior
[1:13:14] waste on city bills. So, and something
>> for the dumpsters there are for some of
[1:13:22] the dumpsters. Yes,
>> that [clears throat] I can't that I
[1:13:26] can't answer.
>> Yeah.
[1:13:27] » Are you talking about rolloffs?
>> Let me explain that. There's times when
[1:13:31] you guys do a clean up of the house, you
tear a house down or whatever. We just
[1:13:38] furnish dumpsters for clean up, which
was to go back. I didn't even charge for
[1:13:45] the truck, the labor,
the any of that. All I charge was for
[1:13:51] what it cost me to take it and
[1:13:57] it legally. Well, that was that would
have been a rolloff, right?
[1:14:01] » Rolloff.
>> So, when you said dumpster, is that what
[1:14:03] you meant?
>> I'm talking rolloff.
[1:14:04] » Okay.
>> See, the rolloffs are they're charged up
[1:14:07] here at the top.
>> Yeah. Well, that Yeah, that I knew.
[1:14:10] » Okay.
>> But it just made it look like because of
[1:14:12] city budget with that.
>> Well, what what my intention was
[1:14:20] I've sat that seat
and there was a lot of bad rap on the
[1:14:25] financial side.
situation, the shortfalls and all that.
[1:14:32] This this is where I have to calm myself
down where that was a very volatile
[1:14:40] night. The public was upset,
bad rap to the city of Prior and I
[1:14:46] thought the last thing you guys need to
do was face a pay pay raise. It was
[1:14:52] respect
what I did. So, what I sacrificed was
[1:14:58] respect for you guys and this town.
>> And that's from my heart.
[1:15:04] » I'm not just BSing you.
>> So, I'm the one that made the motion.
[1:15:09] So, let me talk for a second. Um,
I made the motion tonight for no action.
[1:15:15] Not because I'm opposed to this. I'm not
necessarily opposed to it. I'm not
[1:15:19] necessarily for it at this point. I
don't know what I'm for because we have
[1:15:22] no information other than what we're
being told. There was no information in
[1:15:28] our packet. The only information that we
have been given as a council to make a
[1:15:34] decision for our community, for our
constituents is a Facebook post the
[1:15:39] mayor made last night to the general
public. That's it. So, I I'm not again
[1:15:45] I'm not opposed to this, but I would
like to see historical documents on how
[1:15:50] this started, the original contract,
and all of the amendments
[1:15:56] to getting us where we are today so we
can make a educated,
[1:16:02] logical decision that's going to be in
the best interest of you, our community,
[1:16:08] our citizens. And I would like the city
attorney to also have the opportunity to
[1:16:13] look at all those documents to see if
anything
[1:16:16] jumps out at him.
How can we,
[1:16:21] and I'm changing the subject for a
second, how can a city council in 1989,
[1:16:27] 1990,
pass a something that binds this city
[1:16:34] council today in 2026
to a certain pay increase? How can we do
[1:16:40] that?
>> The city council probably couldn't, but
[1:16:43] if it's through the PWA, you might be
able to. I'd have to look at the
[1:16:46] contract which is
>> which is
[1:16:49] » exactly what he said.
>> Yeah. And so
[1:16:52] » again
>> I I respect what you're saying there.
[1:16:56] The contract there's original contract
in there. Then the amendments to the
[1:16:58] contract are in there also somewhere.
And the other thing is is
[1:17:02] » I think it's only in the fair interest
of this council to see all of those
[1:17:06] documents
>> and put them in the packet so the public
[1:17:08] can see the same thing we are and can
contact us with their opinion. Nina
[1:17:14] » and give us their thoughts on that
>> before we make a decision.
[1:17:19] » But one one one thing and I agree and I
agree with what you're saying here. One
[1:17:24] thing that I'll divert to is that
we didn't do anything contractwise when
[1:17:31] I was either Randy Elliott
didn't approve. He's got his stamp on
[1:17:36] it. Ben Sher didn't approve.
>> Sort of
[1:17:40] » or Kim Kim Richie didn't approve. You
know, that's one of the things that
[1:17:44] that'll get you in trouble quicker than
anything
[1:17:47] because you're spending money that you
don't have. But somewhere in
[1:17:49] [clears throat] there, those contracts
are in there. So, yes. And and I told I
[1:17:53] told Bill here, I told Bill recycling. I
said,
[1:17:57] » "It's part of my fault. The contracts
are there. You need to get together with
[1:18:02] the council sometime. Get a group
together with council. You need to get
[1:18:05] together with MUB. You need to sit down
and talk about this. Everybody needs to
[1:18:09] understand the history of this trash
business because you all have no idea
[1:18:14] what the history of this trash business
is, what we went through to get there.
[1:18:17] » So, are you saying MUB's a part of the
city?
[1:18:19] » No, I'm not.
>> We're [laughter] not going
[1:18:22] but but but but
one of the things was they agreed they
[1:18:26] agreed we pay them paid him. That was
one of the agreements we had to do. All
[1:18:30] goes through to be fair. I will say that
is one of the thickest files because of
[1:18:35] all that documentation that's in the
vault. It's
[1:18:37] » it's it's huge thick.
>> It's every bit.
[1:18:39] » But anyway, I
>> and and I and I and again I agree the
[1:18:43] contract to me if you want to see the
contract. I'm sure that this young lady
[1:18:47] would let you look at it because that
files in about like you said about that
[1:18:50] thick, you know. I'm sure Drew's got one
somewhere.
[1:18:53] » So is it you keep saying it's this
thick. Is it possible to give us in a
[1:18:57] packet or
>> Oh my gosh. No, we can anything book,
[1:19:01] but it's gonna it's going to be several
hundred pages.
[1:19:05] » It'll take you what my suggestion would
be to if you want to have something look
[1:19:08] at have city attorney look at it or or
you come here and sit down and look at
[1:19:12] because it's pretty long.
>> And in all honesty, the packet we could
[1:19:16] give the citizens the opportunity to
look at. Charles, to clarify that,
[1:19:21] » back during the start of Courtney's
term, wasn't most everything all
[1:19:25] digitized that this is could be in an
email instead of a thick file packet.
[1:19:30] » Not all of that file.
>> I've came into a lot of things that I
[1:19:36] have to find.
>> Okay.
[1:19:39] » Because
>> I knew that there was a lot of
[1:19:40] digitations, didn't you?
>> But I have wrote [clears throat] I wrote
[1:19:43] down everything that you guys have said
that you've wanted and I'm that's my
[1:19:46] list. And remember, all of those records
requests, if you go to Hannah, she'll
[1:19:50] provide them for you as quick as she
can,
[1:19:51] » as quick as we can.
>> I I I don't have a problem with anything
[1:19:55] you said. Just know that that file is
thick and a lot of those pages are
[1:19:58] brittle. So, I if you can come and look
at it here, if we have to do if we have
[1:20:04] to scan it up,
>> if it's been scanned, I'm sending
[1:20:07] » if it will. Yeah. Let me add another
thing to Charles.
[1:20:13] In my thinking, which I'm not not right
most of the time anyway, but in my
[1:20:17] thinking, we should be discussing with
the city of Prior, how would you like to
[1:20:24] reduce your two week to one week, get a
trash can, get that accepted, and then
[1:20:31] bring in a possible increase. Not bring
the increase in first and then That's
[1:20:38] that's that's good. That's a good plan.
You know, we put a group together and
[1:20:42] what you're saying is table the 3%. My
question is can he can he forgo the 3%
[1:20:46] with a raise in fees? And
>> he may not he may not have to uh he'll
[1:20:51] know more than we will, but if we cut
the uh the amount of time he's spending
[1:20:56] in prior and cut it in half, that may
make him a better situation.
[1:21:02] » It may make us a better situation.
>> Yeah. Study and see. That's that's your
[1:21:05] » Let's not jump. just not jump real
quick. They can figure it out.
[1:21:08] » And see, we're headed that way anyway.
>> Yeah.
[1:21:11] » If you do,
>> as we talked about, you go to every one
[1:21:14] of those towns.
>> Prior is the only town that I know of in
[1:21:20] the state of Oklahoma that has twice
pickup.
[1:21:23] » I've been against that since day one
>> because I was over the street
[1:21:27] department. Those trash trucks are tough
on your streets. So, there's there's a
[1:21:31] lot of ways to handle it. But the
problem that we ran into, the people did
[1:21:36] not want that. They've had twice a week
pickup for 50 years.
[1:21:41] » They're used to that.
>> You go changing somebody's trash habits,
[1:21:45] you're asking for a lot of trouble.
Well, you could shut their TV off. You
[1:21:49] can shut
>> You can do a lot of things. You mess
[1:21:52] with trash, you andor body. Along along
those lines,
[1:21:58] one day I gandered out in the garage to
take the trash out. I opened up the
[1:22:04] garage door and there's a trash truck
sitting there right against the garage
[1:22:07] door. And I thought, my wife or daughter
has done bought a trash truck.
[1:22:12] [laughter]
I don't know where that come from. Well,
[1:22:16] one of his people misunderstanding
instead of I've got house pickup, side
[1:22:20] pickup. Instead of getting it and taking
it out the street, they just back the
[1:22:23] old trash track up the door. There's a
hole big as a hood in my car where it
[1:22:29] crushed concrete. I didn't say anything
about it for a while. When I told him,
[1:22:34] he immediately came out there, fixed it.
Sorry. And got it fixed and everything's
[1:22:38] fine. So, I don't have a problem with
the trash service. I don't have a
[1:22:41] problem with Bill. I just think we need
to get this
[1:22:45] » so to your point. Are you wanting to go
to two one time a week? Is that your
[1:22:49] proposal forever?
>> I would love it.
[1:22:51] » Yeah.
>> And here's let me tell you something,
[1:22:53] Mr.
>> You know how many applications I got
[1:22:57] last year for people throwing trash?
[1:23:01] » I'm not.
>> I'm just trying to figure out what
[1:23:04] you're wanting. I'm not questioning you.
I'm just trying to figure out because it
[1:23:07] kind of sounded like in those comments
you made a few minutes ago that you
[1:23:10] weren't necessarily for that.
>> When you have pick up,
[1:23:14] » even though people don't set the
pressure up, we still drive the same.
[1:23:18] The truck still travel.
>> I get that.
[1:23:20] » So, you know, the fuel cost those trucks
are, you know, I sold the last trash
[1:23:25] truck that prior bought in 1983.
It was $39,000.
[1:23:31] The same truck today impacts
[clears throat] the same volume of trash
[1:23:35] is a quarter of a million.
>> Insurance went through the roof. The
[1:23:39] operational cost. I'm on those guys all
the time. We got to control the
[1:23:45] operational cost. That's We don't do
that.
[1:23:49] » And I I was going to say something real
quick and I'm I'm going to cut my part
[1:23:55] unless you have questions. [snorts]
>> Not all he's got question. He's chomping
[1:23:59] at the bits. [laughter] But here's the
deal. If you look around Shoto and you
[1:24:06] look Shodo I had Mayor Floyd called me
one time. I said we got a mess.
[1:24:12] the hauler. If you so find a problem
with the trash company, it's usually the
[1:24:19] rates too cheap and they can't afford
the disposal. The disposal of that trash
[1:24:25] is one of the most expensive things that
we do. And what he was doing was at
[1:24:31] night time he was dumping it behind the
building, burning
[1:24:35] major DEQ violation.
>> And the thing about it is Mayor Floyd
[1:24:39] called me and said, "We're in trouble."
The landfills have shut him off once
[1:24:44] this town of Shodo to pay for the
disposal
[1:24:48] and he they were making him if he come
to the landfill they made him pay cash
[1:24:52] before he could dump. He called me and
said we got a problem. We end up with
[1:24:58] contract and show I've had the same
thing at Wagner and we haul Wagner and
[1:25:04] uh we do it with an automated
polycar system.
[1:25:09] It's
It's only one.
[1:25:12] » Can I make one more comment? Then I'm
I'm not going to say another word. I
[1:25:14] just asked the city attorney
>> if he's seen the the amend addendum of
[1:25:19] the contract,
>> you know, this contract and and he said
[1:25:23] he had. Am I correct?
>> I saw what you and I talked about his
[1:25:26] » the addendum of the contract through
2044, which I don't know if that was the
[1:25:29] full addendum. Was that only two pages
of it or was that
[1:25:31] » that was it? It was that in minutes just
two pages.
[1:25:34] » That's what So my point is my point
saying that is is that's the addendum to
[1:25:39] 2044. I think Bruce has got a good idea
have to look at. I think you got a good
[1:25:43] idea.
>> Look at it for future boy. Let's get
[1:25:46] this thing done as we get people
citizens are in and then say, "Okay, I'm
[1:25:50] going to put a a team together and get
Bill back here together and let's get
[1:25:53] back. Let's get people together that's
been on this council before and let's
[1:25:57] discuss this because when I'm dead and
gone, I don't come to town much
[1:26:01] anymore." And if Zach and I stay at I
stay on
[1:26:04] » No, but you're constantly driving.
>> [laughter]
[1:26:07] » But my my point is we've done a good job
between He's seen the contracts. I'm
[1:26:11] going to go sit down and shut up.
>> Hey, Bill.
[1:26:13] » Mr. Dinsmore,
>> hang on.
[1:26:15] » Uh you're asking for a 3% which is about
50 cents. Is that correct?
[1:26:20] » Uh we only get 91%.
>> The city gets 6% for building and 3% for
[1:26:28] » but the 3% would be approximately 50
cents on the 50s. Time we did it 45
[1:26:33] cents, right? And we pick up eight times
a week,
[1:26:36] » right?
>> I mean, a month,
[1:26:37] » right,
>> guys?
[1:26:39] » Is this rate weekly?
>> It's It's a monthly rate, right? 1675 is
[1:26:44] a monthly rate.
>> Yes, it is.
[1:26:46] » Now, Bill, everywhere that you do
service, do you furnish the cans?
[1:26:50] » Yes.
>> So, Prior is on the ones you don't
[1:26:51] furnish.
>> Prior Prior does have cans around that
[1:26:54] he's furnished. I've seen interesting
that you guys mentioned that we had such
[1:26:59] a tremendous amount of people calling
said, "We want
[1:27:04] You see them everywhere
>> and those things are expensive. We order
[1:27:08] the semi truckload of them.
>> Uh we just I don't know how many we've
[1:27:12] set prior, but I went to Terry one day
and I said, "Terry, we're getting so
[1:27:17] many calls for cars. I'd like to be able
to add that." And I think Larry Le was
[1:27:24] so forth and they approved to put that
on there as available. It's not part of
[1:27:28] the contract,
>> but you you have special truck that
[1:27:31] hauls those, right? You got a special
truck that loads those polycarts.
[1:27:36] » Well, uh you're right. A poly cart will
hold up to 175 pounds.
[1:27:42] » Yeah.
>> And the hydraulic system on the truck
[1:27:45] will flip that will dump that 175
pounds. Whereas if we pick it up, we
[1:27:51] only pick up 50 pounds and we only lift
it four feet.
[1:27:54] » Right.
>> Well, how many how many people have you
[1:27:57] got on the poly truck?
>> How many people have the truck?
[1:28:00] » I mean I mean how many operating?
operators.
[1:28:04] » One
>> and on. So you got one on the poly
[1:28:07] truck, but you got three on the regular
truck,
[1:28:09] » right?
>> And nobody's going to lose a job if you
[1:28:11] switch.
>> No.
[1:28:15] What it allows me to do is to go to a
different truck,
[1:28:19] » Bill.
>> Has the arm that lift.
[1:28:22] » Okay.
>> And and that way you don't worry about
[1:28:26] 100 degree temperature,
>> right? you know, minus zero windshield
[1:28:31] factor,
>> whatever it is. And it's
[1:28:35] » Now, if you've got a house side pickup,
how does the one guy does he get out of
[1:28:38] the truck, go up there and get it?
>> I pick it up. I pick up.
[1:28:42] » Do you? [laughter]
>> That'll work.
[1:28:45] » I've done it, too. Boo.
>> Hey, Bill. Question. Uh, since you're
[1:28:50] going to go to this Polycarp thing or
possibly,
[1:28:54] » what's it going to cost you to get
started and maybe buy new trucks and
[1:28:57] things like that?
>> It cost a million and a half.
[1:29:00] » Million and a half.
>> We're good with that.
[1:29:03] » Okay. Just want to make sure that's
going to be it's going to be expensive.
[1:29:08] » Okay. Okay. Good enough.
>> And I got a letter.
[1:29:11] » All right. Good.
>> Okay. So, I just have a few questions
[1:29:13] and a lot of this.
[1:29:17] A lot of it starts
24, 48 hours, however long ago it was. I
[1:29:21] don't know. I've
I didn't go to sleep until 2 o'clock
[1:29:25] last night doing research. I spent a lot
of my day today doing research that
[1:29:29] starts with a question because I found
your
[1:29:34] for whatever reason, I had a lot of this
stuff sent to me when Courtney was here.
[1:29:37] And so I found this your your amendment
from 2019
[1:29:42] and we got clarification on that now
that no the city's not actually being
[1:29:47] charged
in lie of foregoing rent
[1:29:52] for basic trash pickup. Is that I'm
understanding that correct?
[1:29:55] » Correct.
>> Okay. And so I asked the question and I
[1:29:59] really didn't get an answer. It was come
talk to me. Okay, fine. Whatever.
[1:30:06] And then at the same time when all this
starts getting posted out, I also get
[1:30:09] calls from constituents and whatnot. And
I'm spending a lot of time going through
[1:30:12] every single city council agenda since
tw whatever's on the the website. And
[1:30:18] Jay, by the way, has been awesome in
getting me all that information. So
[1:30:22] kudos to her. Give her a raise. No. Uh
anyway, there's a few things that I have
[1:30:28] a question about. The first one, and
this largely comes from the fact that
[1:30:32] we're a private company working with a
government entity.
[1:30:36] I'm predisposed that you should keep
that as far away as possible. That
[1:30:39] that's not the discussion here. But one
of the things is complaints about
[1:30:45] you talk about twice a week pickup.
Well, and I have your information letter
[1:30:50] here as well that's on the website.
uh that citizens within the city at a
[1:30:56] certain time. It it just says 25 years
ago this was done. There's no date on
[1:31:00] the letter, but I would assume he
already
[1:31:03] » Yeah, he left.
>> Oh, okay. Well, sometime sometime over
[1:31:07] 25 years ago this was decided. Um a lot
of the complaint has come from
[1:31:13] there are areas in the city that are no
long that are now in city limits that
[1:31:17] now have houses on them and they're
getting twice a week pickup.
[1:31:21] And like I have a neighbor who has to go
to a dumpster because once a week is so
[1:31:26] so the question there is
is consistency in the work practice
[1:31:32] because we are contracted with the city
and so the I think the citizens should
[1:31:38] know that that's happening and I'm not
trying to get on to anybody but that's
[1:31:41] just is what it is. And the second thing
is they complained about no re no call
[1:31:48] backs, no responses from
and the only and again a private company
[1:31:54] I believe should be able to do whatever
they want in you know in accordance with
[1:31:56] state local laws etc so on and so forth
but when you go to a a governing agency
[1:32:03] I that's that's a little hairy
>> I'm gonna
[1:32:07] » get to the damn point
>> pause because
[1:32:09] » well [laughter]
>> in my three years as mayor
[1:32:12] » Greg you suck I've had one person,
not you, and I know you're talking about
[1:32:17] yourself. Um, one person call me that
said, "Hey, I didn't get my trash picked
[1:32:22] up, and I called you immediately, and
you went as quick as you could get a
[1:32:26] team out there." Nobody
Nobody in this room right now has graced
[1:32:31] my office or my phone to mention that
they weren't getting the pickups that
[1:32:35] they should get. And I understand that
we have boundaries that have changed
[1:32:40] with annexations, but understand I don't
have MUB with their billing. They don't
[1:32:46] know. Hannah doesn't know who who gets
what. We don't sit at everybody's front
[1:32:50] yard. So, it's it's it is an element of
accountability and responsibility that
[1:32:55] if you're in the city limits and you're
not getting what you're paying for to as
[1:33:00] as politely and correctly as you can
call up and say, "I'm I'm not getting
[1:33:06] the pickups I need and it's not
happening." And so,
[1:33:12] » and I am I am going to say I'm
>> hang on. Hang on. I'm not done. I'm not
[1:33:15] done.
>> And we're not open to public discussion
[1:33:18] on the floor. Here's the problem is that
we're not we're not attacking. We're not
[1:33:25] out to do that. That's not the point. If
we have adjustments that need to be made
[1:33:29] because of boundaries that have changed,
and our boundaries are always changing,
[1:33:32] and here in the next year or two,
they're going to change again when we do
[1:33:36] additional annexations, when we get the
houses put in up at Stonegate. We have
[1:33:41] to make sure that we're communicating
that to Dinsore. And when I talked to
[1:33:44] Jimmy about it today, he said that, I
guess, is through zoning. maps that we
[1:33:49] have to do that. We've updated our
zoning maps. We have to make sure that
[1:33:53] we're getting those out, but the only
way we're going to find out that those
[1:33:56] people like you and your neighbor aren't
getting the service because you've been
[1:34:00] annexed in since
2 AD when we started this this whole
[1:34:05] mess
is for those people to come to us or to
[1:34:08] call call the utility board or Hannah
and say, "I'm not getting what I need."
[1:34:14] I'm going to tell you right now, every
call I've made to Bill and and Bill, you
[1:34:18] can attest, you and I have not always
seen eye to eye. We had a great
[1:34:21] interaction in my office at the store
one time where it was got it got hot.
[1:34:26] But I make a call to him and it happens.
So, if we're not getting that, we need
[1:34:31] to know. We can't we can't begrudgingly
come at the city and be or bill and be
[1:34:36] like, "Well, I've been paying and I'm
not getting it." So, there there's an
[1:34:40] accountability factor there. We will
make right what we can make right.
[1:34:45] That's what we're here to do.
>> So hold on. Hold on. When these people,
[1:34:49] including myself, they call MUB. They
say we don't have control over that.
[1:34:53] Call, you got to call the ways. You call
ways. We don't get responses. Nobody
[1:34:57] gets responses. So we call city hall and
and complain.
[1:35:00] » You can call me every time or
>> Yeah. And again, this
[1:35:03] » or like I said in the email, you can
come into my office and we can talk
[1:35:06] about it. But apparently, you know, we
what I'm getting at is we've got to have
[1:35:10] that communication. And it's just like
everywhere else. If you're not getting
[1:35:14] an answer from Dinsore and you don't get
an answer from there, that's what I'm
[1:35:18] paid to do. I will I will make those.
Have I not called you several times
[1:35:24] » and said, "Hey, we need to fix this."
Okay. The only reason
[1:35:27] » never denied anybody
trash.
[1:35:32] » Now, I'm I'm going to say something here
that last week pick up.
[1:35:38] The problem is, and I owe an apology,
but on the flip side of that, we have no
[1:35:46] idea.
We don't what areas have been annexed
[1:35:51] and stuff. There's a road out there that
one side of the streets in city, the
[1:35:56] other side's not.
>> Yeah, that happens to be where I live,
[1:35:59] too.
>> And I didn't even know that to today.
[1:36:02] » Yeah. Well, it and and I'm not getting
on to you for that because I know
[1:36:04] there's a chain of commitment. But the
fact of the matter is I didn't know a
[1:36:07] lot of this stuff until the last 24 48
hours. I went and searched all these
[1:36:12] documents and read through them like,
"Oh, wait. We're really tied to prior
[1:36:15] waste and recycle more than I thought we
were." And the fact is is nobody else is
[1:36:18] out there going to know that, hey, maybe
we need to call up city hall and say,
[1:36:22] "Hey, this is what's going on." And when
I had a simple question, do we do this?
[1:36:27] Yes or no? Come to my office and talk
about it. Well, I'm not going to be able
[1:36:30] to do that before the meeting. Well, I'm
busy, too. Well, I get that. But we're
[1:36:36] sitting here having to make decisions
about a contract we don't have in a
[1:36:38] packet. We've got all these documents
that had to be fished out, which once
[1:36:42] again, great for city. I appreciate what
your office has done getting this
[1:36:46] information. Well, the added
information. And
[1:36:51] so, let me be very clear so people that
are listening. Over the weekend, I got
[1:36:58] asked if we could have some
correspondence.
[1:37:01] You know what? I have family time. And
I'm sorry, Mr. Brashier, that you've got
[1:37:06] your yourself all worked up over this,
but I have every right to say, "Come to
[1:37:11] my office and talk about it." Terry has
been in my office. I've talked to Bruce.
[1:37:15] I've talked to just about anybody. Lori
and I have talked about it. You chose to
[1:37:20] throw a fit because I said, "Come talk
to me." I sat in my office all day with
[1:37:26] the exception of two two times. One, I
went to go get lunch and two, when I
[1:37:29] went to take pictures of the 17th Street
project to give an update on that. You
[1:37:34] did not make that effort. I don't know
what your day is. I don't really care.
[1:37:37] But to to waste our time in a county so
I can
[1:37:40] » to waste I'm not done talking. Don't
interrupt. When we have a council
[1:37:45] meeting and we're trying to dec to do
this, take your personal issues and
[1:37:49] handle them not in a public setting. I
don't think that's professional. I don't
[1:37:54] think it's professional to get upset
when somebody says, "Come and talk to me
[1:37:58] about it." If you don't like that
answer, I'm sorry, but that's the answer
[1:38:02] that you got.
I am a father. I am a husband and I have
[1:38:07] things in my home that I need to do,
including sick children. I have a wife
[1:38:12] needed some help.
I'm not going to give every waking
[1:38:15] second of my Sunday and Saturday night
to things that I need to put in a
[1:38:21] priority list and set back. We're here
to discuss this 3% escalator.
[1:38:27] That's what we need to get to. I think
there have been great questions from
[1:38:30] everybody. Great involvement. I'm
grateful that you Brian and
[1:38:34] » Mattful.
[1:38:45] » Thank you. And
>> absolutely.
[1:38:49] » And the fact that Jimmy came up. Jimmy
did not have to come up. We try to
[1:38:54] [laughter] We love Jimmy for what he is,
but he chose to come up here. What was
[1:38:59] that, Nina?
Oh, I thought you had a cough again. Um,
[1:39:04] but again,
>> you're interrupting Nina. [laughter]
[1:39:08] » The point the point that we're getting
at is
[1:39:11] » Oh my god.
>> Customer service, you are a customer
[1:39:14] service based business.
>> Yes.
[1:39:16] » There will be problems. Y
>> and anybody that's done customer
[1:39:19] service, whether it's whether it's
handyman work, library, real estate, uh,
[1:39:26] newspaper, you're not going to get
everything 100%.
[1:39:29] losing our cool about it and not being
level-headed about things is never going
[1:39:33] to get successful. I tell everybody all
the time, level heads prevail, and we've
[1:39:38] got to address whether or not we're
going to do this or not. The proposal
[1:39:42] has has been discussed and is out there
that we could entertain at another
[1:39:46] council discussion whether or not we
would accept the once a week pickup with
[1:39:51] the 97gallon receptacles for reduction
in service and and wear and tear on our
[1:39:55] roads, but it helps him as well. that's
out there that is not tied into this 3%.
[1:40:02] Tonight, we're here to discuss the 3%.
And that's what we've got to do.
[1:40:06] » I understand that. And this is this is
the frustrating part. Hold on. I send
[1:40:12] out correspondence at almost 11 p.m. on
Sunday.
[1:40:19] That leaves the entire day Monday
because we have nothing in our packet
[1:40:24] outside of a letter. No fault to you.
And I'm not saying I have issues, but
[1:40:32] not everybody who I have a family. I
have five kids. I have a full-time job
[1:40:39] that if I don't work, I'm not making
money. I don't have paid leave.
[1:40:45] And so it would be more time efficient
to say, "Yes, we do. No, we don't. Hey,
[1:40:51] here's this, but there's more
development." It's that simple. So I
[1:40:56] understand what we have on the floor
now, but this whole thing
[1:41:02] we talked communication is key.
Communication is key. Communication is
[1:41:06] key. And all we have is a letter that he
sent in our packet regarding a contract.
[1:41:10] » Yeah. When did you send us that letter,
Bill?
[1:41:13] » When did you send that letter to us?
>> When did I send that letter?
[1:41:16] » Was that not Friday afternoon?
>> Yeah.
[1:41:19] » Thank you, Matt.
>> But thank you.
[1:41:22] » I was in the hospital.
to it.
[1:41:26] » But in in the contract, it says that the
between the city and the refuge company
[1:41:34] is the main and I have the right to
petition the council for rates based on
[1:41:41] fuel cost, disposal cost, equipment
cost, insurance cost, and all those
[1:41:46] things. That's what I'm doing. And you
have the right to reject it. You say,
[1:41:52] "Hey, your service sucks.
>> You're on your
[1:41:55] » Do you have a copy of that contract in
your files
[1:41:59] at at your work site?"
>> I I'm pretty sure I did. I'm pretty
[1:42:03] sure.
>> Bill, would it be liveable?
[1:42:05] » No action. I
>> I suggested earlier that
[1:42:08] » Bill,
>> we go ahead and
[1:42:13] table this or take no action tonight.
work on the one can a one trip
[1:42:21] sanitation and then bring this back at a
later point.
[1:42:25] » Would that would that would that settle
everything?
[1:42:27] » Let me real quick and I'm going to give
Tyler the floor cuz he has been
[1:42:31] patiently waiting. I'm just going to ask
you guys, would you guys have a problem
[1:42:34] with me having Jay put out a a jot jot
form? I think is what it is. The the
[1:42:40] survey monkey survey just asking what do
you prefer? Would you be okay with it?
[1:42:46] Just send it out. We can send it out.
Put it out on social media. We'll get
[1:42:50] back unanimous results.
>> What are we asking?
[1:42:54] » If they would like to keep the service
as it is or if they would be okay with
[1:42:58] once a week with the larger containers
that would just go out to the public as
[1:43:02] answered if you want to.
>> I think since the paper's gone
[1:43:07] and I know you said you didn't like
Facebook although you've adapted rather
[1:43:11] well to communication. Uh but that's the
only communication you got prior I think
[1:43:16] right now is Facebook
social media to to get and I I don't
[1:43:21] » we have two published newspapers
>> there's one sitting right here
[1:43:25] [laughter] Susan Susan
>> so we can I I can get Dean and Tim to
[1:43:32] give us Dean and Tim can give us a spot.
>> Yeah. I didn't mean but I'm saying that
[1:43:37] thing is Facebook was
>> you've seen how immediate it is.
[1:43:42] » Oh boy. I have questions that I wrote
down. So hopefully I don't forget
[1:43:45] anything. [laughter]
Recycling. Is that anywhere on the
[1:43:49] horizon or where are we at with all
that?
[1:43:51] » Very good question.
>> And I'm going to ask you if you would
[1:43:53] please speak into the mic because I know
there's lots of people that want to know
[1:43:56] this answer.
>> I'm up here so I can hear.
[1:43:57] » I know. Yes, sir. Yes, [laughter] sir.
>> Okay.
[1:44:02] Recycling
is a uh
[1:44:07] it has to be everybody. You can't pick
and choose,
[1:44:12] » right? And that's what we ran into the f
right off the bat when what we had
[1:44:17] chosen to do was that have twice a week
pickup, one time trash, the second time
[1:44:24] recyclables.
That thing fell so flat on its face it
[1:44:28] was unreal. Jimmy did the survey. He
went to Saratoma. He and people said,
[1:44:34] "We don't we're not going to mess with
that. We're going to throw it in the
[1:44:37] trash and be done with it." So, we used
the waste of energy and that was
[1:44:44] satisfactory because it was a means of
recycling and turning trash into energy.
[1:44:50] That worked until we got pushed out.
Recycling
[1:44:55] now costs more than hauling the trash
off if you can get rid of it. plastic. I
[1:45:04] don't know if you guys remember
preferred waste that was out in
[1:45:06] Industrial Park, recycled plastic.
>> They couldn't make a penny. We hauled it
[1:45:12] all off to the landfill. I tried to sell
it, but it was co-mingled, contaminated,
[1:45:18] and nobody would take it. So, I've seen
recycling break a a contractor's back
[1:45:25] real quick. Now, what we're we are
working on and let let me go step back a
[1:45:32] little bit further.
We were going to try recycling.
[1:45:38] The city poured a concrete pad. I went
out and bought the these
[1:45:45] containers for separation.
We set them out there
[1:45:52] and we didn't have anybody participate.
and they said, "We're not going to drive
[1:45:57] that gravel road because we'll get a
flat." So, what we decided to do was set
[1:46:02] them behind a police station.
That thing become a dump. Mattresses,
[1:46:08] junk, everywhere. Dennis Nichols finally
called. He said, "Get them out of here.
[1:46:14] I'm sick of it." We've tried, but it's a
very, very difficult deal. city of Tulsa
[1:46:21] and I know those guys well have fought
that recycling deal and they've got it.
[1:46:26] But you take and set and and pick up
recycle bins and have two or three
[1:46:31] people put trash in them, you
contaminated it and they will take and
[1:46:36] throw put in the landfill. It's very
very strict, very expensive. So what we
[1:46:42] would like to do eventually is in our
plan is have it again where we have
[1:46:48] volunteer recycling. In other words, we
have the containers where you put paper,
[1:46:54] glass, plastic, whatever. And for people
that that that want to do it themselves,
[1:47:01] some people going to do it because
they're environmentally conscious. Some
[1:47:04] people are not going to waste the day,
their day, their time doing that. So you
[1:47:09] I've watched that thing closely. Uh and
uh
[1:47:17] it's to the point that city Tulsa finds
people. If you if you violate it,
[1:47:23] they're going to find you. And that's
the only way they can they can get a a
[1:47:29] at one time when they started,
you know what their percentage of
[1:47:34] participation was?
16%.
[1:47:40] And they had to have recycling. They had
diar taunted it got rewards over awards
[1:47:46] b for it. And they had to make it and
they tried all kinds of different ways.
[1:47:51] First they they taken and uh leave them
a note says don't put your trash in
[1:47:56] recycling bin. And then they got to the
point they had to just basically find
[1:48:00] them.
>> You're saying if if there's not a a need
[1:48:04] for it or profit for it, nobody wants to
mess with it.
[1:48:07] » Yeah.
>> Okay. And one of the problems is
[1:48:10] whenever they had the Olympics in China,
cardboard was bringing $200 a ton. After
[1:48:16] the Olympics, $5, you can't buy it and
transport it for that. I mean, you lose
[1:48:23] money. That's plastic
is is a very tough thing uh uh to to get
[1:48:30] rid of. The markets the markets are
volatile. It's just up and down, up and
[1:48:34] down. Most of the guys that really that
make it work in recycling like [snorts]
[1:48:39] American Environmental, they got a big
warehouse and then they they get several
[1:48:44] truckloads and then they go to finding
who who's the best buyer for it. So you
[1:48:50] you have I I would love to be able to do
some type of recycling, but I just do
[1:48:55] not know how to make it work in this
area.
[1:48:57] » Yeah. I I just like the options
having the person that does want to do
[1:49:03] it have the option even if it's a drop
off location that's managed. Um
[1:49:06] » that's
>> but I I think it's good for us to look
[1:49:11] into that avenue. I understand that it's
probably a pain and Jeremy's people
[1:49:16] don't have the time to go out and police
whether or not somebody's putting
[1:49:18] recycled trash in recycle bin or not.
And so I don't want to create any more
[1:49:22] work on anybody but just if there is an
option I think that that helps lots of
[1:49:25] things. Um, the other thing is I just
want to point out we're talking about $6
[1:49:30] a year
>> for consumers.
[1:49:33] » Yeah.
>> And we're doing a lot of bickering over
[1:49:35] $6 a year. I have zero complaints with
y'all's trash service. You guys are
[1:49:40] » You spend about an hour arguing over
this and I'm $200 an hour.
[1:49:43] » That's right.
>> I have I have three I have three kids
[1:49:47] like maniacs and
>> we probably go over our trash rate and
[1:49:51] you guys always pick it up and I'm very
appreciative of it. Thank you very much.
[1:49:56] » I think that we have along with all of
our other utility services some of the
[1:49:59] cheapest in the entire state. Um and if
anybody wants to disagree, please go ask
[1:50:04] other cities because they're paying
sometimes double more than what we're
[1:50:08] paying on lots of things. So
>> I appreciate that.
[1:50:12] » I I I just I do wish that we had some
more clarity on all the backstory and
[1:50:16] everything. It was helpful. the little
history lesson tonight was helpful, but
[1:50:20] I think I and some of the conversations
I've had just want to understand better
[1:50:24] what the landscape is on all of this.
Um, one of the sticking points as far as
[1:50:30] sticking points, not necessarily a bad
thing, just one of the questions is it's
[1:50:33] our land and so what is the tradeoff on
our land? You guys are using it. You
[1:50:41] guys are obviously running a business
out of it. So, uh, I know that was one
[1:50:45] of the questions that I've been asked
is, hey, what is the city getting out of
[1:50:49] it? And if it's cheaper service, if it's
whatever it is, I I don't know what it
[1:50:54] is, but I know that that's one of the
questions that I've been asked. And
[1:50:56] that's the last question I have.
>> And and to answer that, again, I'm being
[1:51:00] a little bit repetitious here. We don't
charge the city for anything, right?
[1:51:04] » Band day,
>> the festivals, uh, the blueg grass. We
[1:51:09] we bring all the polycarts out here. We
don't a penny [clears throat] for them.
[1:51:13] We we set the robots out here so they
can empty the holiday the there there is
[1:51:18] a lot of participation whether it's main
street prior they'll clean up a business
[1:51:24] we set a dumpster we go
>> I mean it's just there's so many things
[1:51:29] that we tried to do but the biggest
thing that transfer station is who's
[1:51:34] going to maintain it
>> right
[1:51:37] » that's the reason I was telling you
earlier about whenever the farm Randy
[1:51:42] you're which everybody knows Randy Drake
been around here for a ages. He come to
[1:51:47] me and he said, "We got a big problem."
He said, "That thistle is is a hard
[1:51:53] thing to kill
>> and per the law,
[1:51:56] » it's city prior's responsibility to
control that thistle." Well, you
[1:52:00] couldn't do it for the thorn trees. That
thing was a forest of thorn trees. We
[1:52:04] went out there with an excavator for
three months, pulled off every one of
[1:52:09] the thorn trees, roots them all. You
can't cut them off. You got to pull them
[1:52:13] up roots and all.
>> Right.
[1:52:14] » And we made that where it could be
mowed.
[1:52:17] » Uh if you go if you drive out there now,
look across it looks like a green
[1:52:20] pasture. I mean it it does. So we've
done a lot just to maintain that. That
[1:52:27] thing was a a cess poolool.
>> That back end was nothing but leech
[1:52:34] ponds. The mosquitoes were bigger than
horse flies.
[1:52:38] » Yeah.
>> It was a mess. So we we filled all that
[1:52:41] in. We've covered it up. We can add to
the top of the land landfield. You just
[1:52:47] can't take away the bottom of it. You
can't break that seal and go down below
[1:52:50] it. So we've done a lot and we have uh
we have uh plans to to go further and we
[1:52:58] would like later date we'd like to
explain to you what we're trying to do.
[1:53:02] We have too many people coming in now.
There's so many people moving in.
[1:53:07] bringing the old couches in and boxes
and stuff. We've got a big traffic
[1:53:13] problem and somebody's going to get
hurt. My liability is going through the
[1:53:18] roof because people come out there, they
don't really know what to do. They'll
[1:53:22] pull right in the middle. These guys
fight it every day. They pull right in
[1:53:26] the middle of everything. They'll pull
right behind the backing truck. The
[1:53:30] beeper's going off. I got signs saying
trucks first. and it's dealing with the
[1:53:36] public and that transfer station has
become very difficult. So, we're having
[1:53:40] to make some moves and I've talked to
you about it and we we're going to have
[1:53:45] to make some changes to protect the
public and that that involves recycling,
[1:53:51] a convenient drop off site instead of
going into the transfer station. There's
[1:53:55] a lot of people that come out with
trailers now can't buy
[1:53:58] » right
[laughter]
[1:54:01] » and we've talked about
>> I'm going to shut up. I thought I said
[1:54:05] while we go I was going to shut up this
we've talked a little bit about just so
[1:54:09] people understand and then we'll we'll
wrap this whole thing up.
[1:54:13] » [clears throat]
>> One of the things we're we're dealing
[1:54:15] with is the dump station and when we
have like tornadoes or we have uh you
[1:54:19] know problems like that you know
Claremore is bringing some of their
[1:54:22] stuff out to our br whatever the tornado
that came through we've got debris trees
[1:54:27] when we had the father's day storm all
those trees that adds up and so one of
[1:54:31] the things that Bill was looking at what
last month middle of last month
[1:54:35] » was a was a machine it was basically
what there were eight of them in the
[1:54:39] United States you said but it pulverizes
those those trees down into literally
[1:54:45] mulch. We watched chunks of concrete go
through there without even dogging it
[1:54:48] down. But that's an expense. But the
idea there is is that that would allow
[1:54:52] us to to take, you know, all of that
debris and compound it and basically
[1:54:58] extend the life of that that area out
there.
[1:55:01] » You know, there there's a lot of things
like that that are being looked at. No
[1:55:04] decisions have been made on that yet,
but uh that that would be another huge
[1:55:08] investment that we would be able to use
for those those kind of things. So, you
[1:55:11] know, there's a lot going on. I'm
grateful for for my trash being taken
[1:55:15] out uh when my son decides to get it to
the curb. I appreciate that. Um but, you
[1:55:21] know, we uh
>> Well, if you look if you look at the at
[1:55:24] the paper you gave us, you are half the
price of the cheapest
[1:55:30] » uh anywhere around. So, the leasing that
land out there has helped prior
[1:55:36] immensely. Well, the agreement was $200
a month to lease that land.
[1:55:42] » And there were so many situations where
picking up the trash downtown, you know,
[1:55:48] we make sure we pick that up before the
traffic ever starts
[1:55:52] » before we don't interfere in the in
downtown traffic. If there's a parade,
[1:55:57] those cans are full.
>> And so there's there's a lot of things.
[1:56:01] I mean, we take care of mud. Uh there's
a lot of things that we do
[1:56:06] that I live here.
>> I mean [snorts]
[1:56:12] I'm 7 almost 73 years old. I spent
almost as old as Bruce
[1:56:16] » almost. [laughter]
>> Terry, you had a call.
[1:56:20] » Let me ask one more question.
>> Sure.
[1:56:22] » Can I get a current city of fire map?
>> Yeah. So we can get that for you. Um,
[1:56:30] and then just, you know, to everybody
while we're on that, remember that all
[1:56:33] records requests do not go through Jay.
They actually go through Hannah's
[1:56:36] office. So, if you've got one, make sure
you're hitting her up for that so that
[1:56:39] she can
>> she can she can go there.
[1:56:42] » Be very helpful.
I
[1:56:44] » And that's per Hannah's request
intentionally. We just didn't
[1:56:48] » sir
>> in the past whenever there was annexing
[1:56:51] we were notified that this area had been
annexed in
[1:56:55] » and that's how we
adjusted to what we need to do right
[1:57:01] now. We don't we went on Google map and
it's not clear exactly where the city
[1:57:07] limit
>> well the concern came from multiple
[1:57:10] complaints that I had received and so uh
I don't know I think a lot of it boils
[1:57:16] down to communication
>> and you know this council can change up
[1:57:20] to 50% every every year and so we have
contracts from 1989 or 2000 whenever
[1:57:27] whenever they started and you know the
frust frustrating part is you want to be
[1:57:34] able to take people at their at face
value. And when you don't think you can
[1:57:38] do that, then you're stuck for 24 to 48
hours pilering through everything
[1:57:42] yourself. And by the way, I I apologize.
That's me. I was responding to Jay's
[1:57:49] emails that she had already sent out. It
was I didn't mean to just strictly go to
[1:57:53] her like that, just out of the blue, but
she had sent stuff out and I said, "Oh,
[1:57:56] hey, by the way, this Oh, hey." and it
just got out of hand. So, I apologize
[1:58:00] for that. But anyway,
>> Terry, you had you were explaining
[1:58:04] everything that you did.
>> You know, one thing that I was going
[1:58:06] when Terry Terry's been working on the
museum,
[1:58:11] » you call me, we come, we set dumpsters,
whatever we need to do to help you
[1:58:16] improve that building and stuff like
that. So, it's it's a partnership, guys.
[1:58:21] » That's what boils down to partnership.
>> You're absolutely right.
[1:58:25] » And the partnership is on this.
[laughter]
[1:58:29] I I've had a relationship with Bill for
almost 38 years now. We served on the
[1:58:34] city council together and we went
through a trash contract back that time
[1:58:37] period, too.
>> Bill has been nothing but had the best
[1:58:41] interest of this community
>> in his heart back then when he was on
[1:58:45] the council
>> when he was getting involved in this
[1:58:48] trash business. And I there is no doubt
in my mind that builds more is 100%
[1:58:54] prior.
>> Amen. [clears throat]
[1:58:56] » People can re
When you're dealing with the public,
[1:59:00] you're going to make mistakes. People's
going to get upset.
[1:59:03] » You get people get bad reps and
everything, but Bill Endsmore is
[1:59:08] top-notch in my opinion. I've got had a
really good report with him like he had
[1:59:13] said on that and I've had some issues
with I some of y'all don't know this but
[1:59:18] we've had city trash dumpsters that have
been at city buildings that I've noticed
[1:59:23] that have completely rusted out and the
trash and garbage is just licking
[1:59:28] through it. All it took was a text
message or a phone call to Bill and
[1:59:32] said, "Can you all replace this
dumpster?" And he had it done with this
[1:59:35] within an hour.
>> Right.
[1:59:37] » And and I've got his cell phone number.
I'm sure he would privately give it to
[1:59:40] any of you all if you had a complaint to
call him up and just simply say, "Bill,
[1:59:46] this neighborhood out here didn't get
their trash service twice a week. Can
[1:59:50] you fix that?" And I'm sure he would
say, "Yes, he would."
[1:59:52] » I agree. and and and I know that I've
had some problem. There's some elderly
[1:59:57] folks up in the northwest part of town
had some problems about a year or two
[2:00:01] ago and complained about the an elderly
lady that couldn't get her trash picked
[2:00:05] up out the she couldn't take it out to
the curb. He called her, I called him,
[2:00:10] he had it taken care of and she was very
happy within just about 30 minutes or
[2:00:14] so. And I think it was on a Saturday if
I remember right. But uh but anyway,
[2:00:19] that being said, thank you for coming up
here and explaining that. I appreciate
[2:00:22] you and Jimmy what you did. I've always
said that you've got to know and
[2:00:26] understand the past to help plan for the
future and giving us a background on how
[2:00:31] all this came about. I think it's very
vital to us. That being said, I just
[2:00:36] have one more question. I have a
question. The issue came [laughter] up
[2:00:39] in the issue that it came up in in May
of 2022 about the fuel adjustment.
[2:00:46] » Yes.
>> And I tried to find some documentation
[2:00:50] on that online. the website. A lot of
stuff's gone from back then. I had to go
[2:00:55] back to the the paper and it had
mentioned back then in the paper that if
[2:01:01] the fuel fell below, I believe $3.50 a
gallon for diesel fuel, then things
[2:01:08] would be relooked at again.
>> Well, we've had that on and fuel is way
[2:01:13] down now. So, what is this? What is the
policy and the plan for that?
[2:01:17] » What is it?
I can answer that way. [laughter]
[2:01:22] » So when we met back then
>> everybody uh of course diesel prices
[2:01:27] prices were really high. So the way the
structure was set out is if and I'm if
[2:01:32] it's between
the 30-day average I'll go on whenever
[2:01:37] I'm setting the fuel cost adjustments.
I'll go on the um
[2:01:40] » AAA and hit up the Tulsa website look at
the 30-day average print that off. If
[2:01:45] it's between $2 and $3, it's 3%. No,
sorry. Two and $3 is 4%. If the 30-day
[2:01:52] average is between
No, $2 to $3 4% $3 to $4 6% 4 to5 8%.
[2:02:02] Anything over five, we're going to
relook at it because at that time,
[2:02:04] everybody knows that the prices were
through the roof. And honestly, it's
[2:02:08] this is the first month it's been under
$3 in 30 days for quite some time. So
[2:02:14] it'll be at 4%.
>> Yeah.
[2:02:17] » So it is fluctuating.
>> It fluctuates. Yeah. It hasn't been
[2:02:21] » It's been It's kind of been like a flat
line 6%, but normally it's 4%. But um
[2:02:26] » I was going to say, mayor, not a big fan
of social media and surveys because
[2:02:31] you're going to get people that don't
even live here. That's going to hit
[2:02:33] them. So, what I would say is if you can
wait a couple months, if you guys could
[2:02:39] come up with a little survey, you can
put them in our bill. If you print them
[2:02:44] off and then I'll call the mailer and
say, "Hey, put this in our bill. Deliver
[2:02:48] them to Tulsa."
>> We'll do that.
[2:02:50] » But I'm just going to be let you know if
I send out 5,000 bills, you might get
[2:02:55] 300 returns.
>> Yeah.
[2:02:56] » So, you're
>> we'll get something together. But and
[2:03:00] then if there's any cost that's
associated because normally one sheet of
[2:03:04] paper doesn't cost anything because I'm
already somebody's already printing it
[2:03:06] out. What cost me is printing it and
getting it delivered. So
[2:03:09] » well that'll be more people than both.
So
[2:03:12] » I I think if if you guys print them out
and if there's any additional costs that
[2:03:15] are added on I don't think because this
is huge for the city because
[2:03:20] » I mean we're the only one like Bill said
in Oklahoma that does twice a week,
[2:03:25] right? I mean, and it's it's great,
don't get me wrong, but it's hard on
[2:03:29] them. So,
but our bills have already start go
[2:03:34] start started going out now for zone
one's closed out. We got zone two and
[2:03:36] three. So, you be receiving your March
one bills. So, you actually we wouldn't
[2:03:41] be able to put it in until the middle of
March. So, when you start getting that,
[2:03:44] so that's when your April 1 bills are
due and we'll start collecting them and
[2:03:48] then we'll ship them down to you and you
guys can do your little statistics and
[2:03:52] go there. But, you know, I'm just saying
>> we'll put something together.
[2:03:56] » Don't expect a lot of stuff because I
send bills out stuff about every about
[2:04:01] three years on natural gas awareness and
ask questions and surveys and all that.
[2:04:04] And
>> it's a rule of 20%, right?
[2:04:07] » It's less than 10%.
>> It's like six to eight. But yeah, just
[2:04:11] get with Jose and I'll let them know.
And um but yeah,
[2:04:16] » get it.
>> Facebook, social media surveys are
[2:04:20] » all right.
>> Mayor.
[2:04:21] » Yes, sir.
I think with the way the motion is
[2:04:26] that if we go ahead and pass that that
we can get all of our facts and figures
[2:04:31] together. Everybody can look at what
they want to and get this on the
[2:04:34] » Yeah. So, we take a vote for no action
tonight.
[2:04:37] » Yeah.
>> And you guys see where we're at with it.
[2:04:39] So, uh that said, let's call for the
vote.
[2:04:42] » Traml,
>> yes.
[2:04:45] [laughter]
>> Yes.
[2:04:48] » Smith,
>> yes.
[2:04:49] » Mark,
>> yes. Shopire,
[2:04:51] » yes.
>> Bradshaw,
[2:04:53] » yes. Bashers,
>> yes.
[2:04:55] » Tyler,
>> yes.
[2:04:57] » Thank you, Bill. [laughter]
[2:05:02] » Charles, I appreciate your fine.
>> All right. Uh, item six, committee
[2:05:08] reports. Thank you, Bill. Budget and
personnel.
[2:05:12] » Thank you.
>> You want Thanks, Bill. Did you tell
[2:05:19] » Shire?
>> Yes.
[2:05:21] » Budget and personnel
>> 10th.
[2:05:25] » All right. Uh ordinance insurance
>> 331
[2:05:29] [clears throat]
>> and street maintenance
[2:05:32] » next Tuesday the 24th.
>> Do you still need uh infrastructure
[2:05:36] there?
>> Yes. [snorts]
[2:05:42] » Specifically Dale or can we do Charles?
Does it matter?
[2:05:45] » Probably doesn't matter.
>> Okay, [snorts] we can talk about that
[2:05:47] later.
>> Yeah.
[2:05:48] » Uh I don't have any unforeseeable
business. Do I have a motion to adjurnn?
[2:05:52] » Motion.
>> Second.
[2:05:53] » I got a motion from Choya and a second
from Brashier.
[2:05:59] » Call for the vote.
>> Steve,
[2:06:01] » uh yes.
>> Smith,
[2:06:03] » yes.
>> Yes.
[2:06:05] » Shshire,
>> yes.
[2:06:06] » Bradshaw,
>> yes.
[2:06:07] » Bashers,
>> yes.
[2:06:09] » Tyler,
>> yes.
[2:06:10] » Traml,
>> yes.
[2:06:13] seconds. We're journed.
[2:06:18] » Next,
>> public works.
[2:06:20] » Well, you know what? I was excited. All
right, we'll call to order. I'm
[2:06:25] » skipping numbers. Missing. All right,
call to order the prior public works
[2:06:29] authority. Approve the minutes of this
February 3rd.
[2:06:33] » 2026 meeting.
>> Motion.
[2:06:36] » We could keep it down a little bit,
please. I have a motion from Troy and a
[2:06:40] second from Steve. Call for the vote.
>> Did you say Steve?
[2:06:46] » Steve B.
>> Steven Brown.
[2:06:50] » Fifth.
>> Yes.
[2:06:52] » Lamar,
>> yes.
[2:06:53] » Shire,
>> yes.
[2:06:54] » Bradshaw,
>> yes.
[2:06:55] » Rasher,
>> yes.
[2:06:57] » Tyler,
>> yes.
[2:06:58] » Laml,
>> yes.
[2:07:00] » Steve,
>> yes.
[2:07:02] » Approve claims for purchase orders for
the Prior Public Works Authority through
[2:07:05] February 17th, 2026.
>> Motion.
[2:07:09] » Motion from Bashers and a second from
>> Choya. Mhm.
[2:07:12] » Call for the vote.
[2:07:16] » Lamar,
>> yes.
[2:07:17] » Shire,
>> yes.
[2:07:19] » Brad,
>> yes.
[2:07:20] » Shears,
>> yes.
[2:07:22] » Tyler,
>> yes.
[2:07:23] » Shaml,
>> yes.
[2:07:24] » Steve,
>> uh, yes.
[2:07:26] » Smith,
>> yes.
[2:07:29] » Um, do I have a motion to adjurnn?
>> Motion.
[2:07:32] » Motion from Steve and a second from
Brashiers.
[2:07:35] » You can call for that vote when you're
ready.
[2:07:38] » Baseball games.
Shire,
[2:07:42] » yes.
>> Bradshaw,
[2:07:43] » yes.
>> Yes.
[2:07:45] » Tyler,
>> yes.
[2:07:47] » Yes.
>> Steve,
[2:07:49] » yes.
>> Smith,
[2:07:50] » yes.
>> Amar,
[2:07:52] » yes.
>> Done.
[2:07:54] » You need to give some back.