1 00:00:05,972 --> 00:00:07,972 ? 2 00:00:11,111 --> 00:02:19,500 ? 3 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:28,746 A ? 4 00:02:31,651 --> 00:04:54,460 ? 5 00:04:54,460 --> 00:05:04,101 A ? 6 00:05:07,140 --> 00:09:40,814 ? 7 00:09:40,814 --> 00:09:44,884 We will now come to order. 8 00:09:44,884 --> 00:09:48,210 Welcome everyone to the August 27th 2026 meeting of the Rally. 9 00:09:48,210 --> 00:09:50,957 Historic Development Commission's certificate appropriateness Committee. 10 00:09:50,957 --> 00:09:51,570 My name is Lauren. 11 00:09:51,524 --> 00:09:56,496 What the chair of this committee at this time all have our staff call roll. 12 00:09:56,496 --> 00:10:00,266 Raw talent here. 13 00:10:00,266 --> 00:10:00,767 Lauren, what here? 14 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:03,870 Melissa Todd here, John Schreiber here in Jordan. 15 00:10:03,870 --> 00:10:05,500 Reiland is excused. 16 00:10:05,405 --> 00:10:09,809 We have a So the meeting may proceed. 17 00:10:09,809 --> 00:10:10,760 Prior to the meeting. 18 00:10:10,143 --> 00:10:18,618 If you plan to speak this please do sign in the intestine tenant roster and will also swear you when you come up to the podium. 19 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:23,890 The certificate appropriateness Committee is a quasi-judicial body that is governed by the North Carolina general statute and the divided. 20 00:10:23,723 --> 00:10:33,299 Unified Development ordinance were authorized to hear requests for certificate of appropriateness within historic overlay districts in Raleigh, historic landmark properties. 21 00:10:33,299 --> 00:10:38,338 And I'll have my fellow commission members introduce themselves throughout next one. 22 00:10:38,338 --> 00:10:44,444 Hello, everyone, Rob I am a lifelong Raleigh resident. 23 00:10:44,444 --> 00:10:49,916 I'm current resident of a registered historic overlay district and a registered architect. 24 00:10:49,916 --> 00:10:52,786 I'm Lauren also registered architect and ability rally for about 15 years. 25 00:10:52,786 --> 00:10:57,900 Now. 26 00:10:57,900 --> 00:10:58,910 I'm Alyssa Todd. 27 00:10:58,910 --> 00:11:00,260 Also a licensed architect in North Carolina. 28 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:04,631 And I also live in a historic overlay district. 29 00:11:04,631 --> 00:11:05,980 Jon Chime 15 year. 30 00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:07,867 Ali resident unlicensed contractor. 31 00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:08,568 Thank you very much. 32 00:11:08,568 --> 00:11:13,273 And I'll have staff introduce themselves. 33 00:11:13,273 --> 00:11:14,740 Good evening and collect Canadian. 34 00:11:14,307 --> 00:11:24,584 I am a senior preservation planner been with the city of rally for 8 years and I have a master's degree historic Some our key guys are attorneys. 35 00:11:24,584 --> 00:11:27,153 Well, I'm Pat Jones counsel to the committee. 36 00:11:27,153 --> 00:11:27,253 Perfect. 37 00:11:27,253 --> 00:11:31,287 Thank you all. 38 00:11:31,624 --> 00:11:34,861 Our first order of business is approval of today's agenda is posted on motion. 39 00:11:34,861 --> 00:11:37,931 Mission to approve. 40 00:11:37,931 --> 00:11:37,998 Second. 41 00:11:37,998 --> 00:11:38,198 All right. 42 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:41,670 All those I I hearing no objections. 43 00:11:41,668 --> 00:11:43,770 Motion carries unanimously. 44 00:11:43,770 --> 00:11:46,106 Next is last month's minutes. 45 00:11:46,106 --> 00:11:50,143 Those in the staff reports were made available online. 46 00:11:50,143 --> 00:11:51,344 Looking at the management July. 47 00:11:51,344 --> 00:11:53,146 23, 6 particular Properties Committee mission to adopt the minutes. 48 00:11:53,146 --> 00:11:56,516 Motion to adopt second. 49 00:11:56,516 --> 00:11:59,786 All those in favor say Aye. 50 00:11:59,786 --> 00:11:59,953 All right. 51 00:11:59,953 --> 00:12:03,790 And what staff please report out any minor work? 52 00:12:03,790 --> 00:12:07,460 Yes, in about the last month, 17 minor works were approved. 53 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:15,368 The address is application numbers and a brief description are available in the meeting agenda and the full applications can be viewed on the city's website. 54 00:12:15,368 --> 00:12:17,237 Thank you so much. 55 00:12:17,237 --> 00:12:17,437 All right. 56 00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:20,674 Now, my preamble. 57 00:12:20,674 --> 00:12:24,970 Before we begin the evidentiary hearing, we will outline the process of college. 58 00:12:24,970 --> 00:12:27,000 I did use old decisions in hearing cases. 59 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,703 The committee conducts a quasi Judicial Adventure hearing. 60 00:12:29,703 --> 00:12:33,173 That means it's like a court hearing. 61 00:12:33,173 --> 00:12:37,177 State law says specific procedures and rules concerning how this committee must make its decisions. 62 00:12:37,177 --> 00:12:42,783 These rules are different from other types of land use decisions like rezoning cases which are legislative in nature. 63 00:12:42,783 --> 00:12:49,389 This committee's decisions are constrained by the standard review set forth in state law and the and the facts presented at the hearing. 64 00:12:49,389 --> 00:12:56,530 The committee hears and considers evidence presented at the hearing and applies to standards set forth in state law and the city's ordinance. 65 00:12:56,530 --> 00:13:05,472 The committee must base decisions upon competent material into didn't substantial evidence presented at the hearing, if you will be speaking as a witness, please focus on facts and legal standard. 66 00:13:05,472 --> 00:13:07,740 Avoiding personal preference or opinion. 67 00:13:07,607 --> 00:13:10,770 This meeting is open to the public participation is limited. 68 00:13:10,444 --> 00:13:13,180 Everyone is welcome to watch. 69 00:13:13,180 --> 00:13:14,581 Parties have rights to participate. 70 00:13:14,581 --> 00:13:19,653 Fully parties may prevent present evidence, call witnesses and make legal arguments. 71 00:13:19,653 --> 00:13:22,556 If you are not a party, you're limited to providing factual testimony. 72 00:13:22,556 --> 00:13:29,529 Only you may not appear and speak on behalf of anyone else, including nonprofit unless you are an attorney. 73 00:13:29,529 --> 00:13:34,201 Witnesses may testify, asked facts to wish their competent to testify so long as those facts relate to legal standard. 74 00:13:34,201 --> 00:13:40,400 In addition layer not expert witness testimony is limited to facts, not opinions for certain topics. 75 00:13:40,340 --> 00:13:43,643 This committee needs to hear opinion testimony from expert witnesses. 76 00:13:43,643 --> 00:13:48,648 These topics include projections about impacts on property values and traffic safety. 77 00:13:48,648 --> 00:13:53,253 We will now begin Rmg hearing before we begin. 78 00:13:53,253 --> 00:13:56,222 I would like to yes, cut. 79 00:13:56,222 --> 00:14:00,860 I thought you're I think you're raising your hand. 80 00:14:00,860 --> 00:14:06,566 The we begin going to disclose to the committee that I have a previous professional and current person relationship too. 81 00:14:06,566 --> 00:14:08,802 Our project contact for this. 82 00:14:08,802 --> 00:14:19,112 And so on councils advice, I would like to have a vote for recusal. 83 00:14:19,112 --> 00:14:22,349 Do we need to make a motion about that? 84 00:14:22,349 --> 00:14:23,183 Yes, correct. 85 00:14:23,183 --> 00:14:23,383 By motion. 86 00:14:23,383 --> 00:14:27,153 And vote except that accuser. 87 00:14:27,153 --> 00:14:27,587 That we would. 88 00:14:27,587 --> 00:14:28,455 So the motion is to accept a recusal. 89 00:14:28,455 --> 00:14:31,658 Yes. 90 00:14:31,658 --> 00:14:38,431 If we decline to accept that motion, that means we would keep her up here. 91 00:14:38,431 --> 00:14:40,867 And do we have we have enough people unit? 92 00:14:40,867 --> 00:14:43,803 The 3 would. 93 00:14:43,803 --> 00:14:47,974 There may. 94 00:14:47,974 --> 00:14:52,379 Results from because okay. 95 00:14:52,379 --> 00:14:56,160 So so the vote is to approve. 96 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:56,383 chairs. 97 00:14:56,383 --> 00:14:58,985 Recusal. 98 00:14:58,985 --> 00:14:59,686 You can state it that way. 99 00:14:59,686 --> 00:14:59,886 That's fine. 100 00:14:59,886 --> 00:15:04,424 Okay. 101 00:15:04,424 --> 00:15:07,260 You are requesting to recuse yourself not to just make a disclosure. 102 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:09,696 That's correct. 103 00:15:09,696 --> 00:15:10,960 On council. 104 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:10,960 I am. 105 00:15:10,196 --> 00:15:12,565 He request us. 106 00:15:12,565 --> 00:15:15,680 Do you think you can be an impartial, a decision maker in this case? 107 00:15:15,669 --> 00:15:19,506 I do. 108 00:15:19,506 --> 00:15:26,413 So we do not have to accept the recusal. 109 00:15:26,413 --> 00:15:26,946 You don't. 110 00:15:26,946 --> 00:15:28,882 This is a little bit like a pop quiz for me. 111 00:15:28,882 --> 00:15:33,682 Okay. 112 00:15:35,522 --> 00:15:39,559 There's not only the question of the recusal and that's based upon the members. 113 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:42,462 The deal. 114 00:15:42,462 --> 00:15:46,366 There is also possibly a public perception. 115 00:15:46,366 --> 00:16:00,613 And if a recusal has been offered but not accepted, it is possible that and the server can call the wrong conclusion about whether or not the membership accused and that might sound circumspect. 116 00:16:00,613 --> 00:16:03,850 That's about as far as I can go in this setting. 117 00:16:03,850 --> 00:16:12,525 I think there are very explicit reasons right for needing a recusal the state statutes is certainly are. 118 00:16:12,525 --> 00:16:14,940 family member financial interest? 119 00:16:14,461 --> 00:16:22,369 I don't think that you've mentioned anything that would meet the criteria unless I'm mistaken. 120 00:16:22,369 --> 00:16:25,538 A personal relationship You can be members of an association. 121 00:16:25,538 --> 00:16:25,739 Same church. 122 00:16:25,739 --> 00:16:27,874 You could be colleagues. 123 00:16:27,874 --> 00:16:31,177 really. 124 00:16:31,177 --> 00:16:36,249 Based upon the members few of whether or not that would. 125 00:16:36,249 --> 00:16:40,453 Be a justification for recusal. 126 00:16:40,453 --> 00:16:40,553 Okay. 127 00:16:40,553 --> 00:16:45,910 Thank Despite the view of impartiality. 128 00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:49,262 All except the recusal motion. 129 00:16:49,262 --> 00:16:53,990 Or do we need to make them motion to vote? 130 00:16:53,833 --> 00:16:53,967 Okay. 131 00:16:53,967 --> 00:16:56,736 Motion the motions and made a second. 132 00:16:56,736 --> 00:16:59,500 I did not make the motion I We need to okay. 133 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:09,582 You're making a motion all I'll make a motion to vote on acceptance of chair Woodard's recusal tearing this case. 134 00:17:09,582 --> 00:17:12,385 All those in favor say Aye, any opposed. 135 00:17:12,385 --> 00:17:15,880 I. 136 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:15,880 Okay. 137 00:17:15,121 --> 00:17:17,857 So I believe the motion still carries 2 to one. 138 00:17:17,857 --> 00:17:20,827 It does carry a a all right. 139 00:17:20,827 --> 00:17:25,999 does doesn't mean someone Holtz chairs. 140 00:17:25,999 --> 00:17:29,690 The has chair the meeting, cloud-free areas. 141 00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:36,305 glad we talked about that so that someone could bring up the chair in the back Thank you. 142 00:17:45,385 --> 00:17:46,453 Bear with me. 143 00:17:46,453 --> 00:17:54,940 Are you assuming the responsibility that would my other 2 committee members like the chair, the meeting full faith. 144 00:17:54,394 --> 00:17:56,529 thank Kayla tease. 145 00:17:56,529 --> 00:17:59,966 And I believe. 146 00:17:59,966 --> 00:18:01,634 We've learned Woodard made it through the. 147 00:18:01,634 --> 00:18:08,942 The next step is to swear me okay this time elsewhere, u N. 148 00:18:08,942 --> 00:18:16,249 What do you swear affirm the testimony you are about to proceed with will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing. 149 00:18:16,249 --> 00:18:16,750 But the truth. 150 00:18:16,750 --> 00:18:16,850 Okay. 151 00:18:16,850 --> 00:18:17,851 Thank you. 152 00:18:17,851 --> 00:18:18,952 You may proceed with the presentation. 153 00:18:18,952 --> 00:18:22,756 Thank you. 154 00:18:22,756 --> 00:18:23,890 All right. 155 00:18:23,156 --> 00:18:24,900 Good evening, everyone. 156 00:18:24,290 --> 00:18:26,359 This is Casey away. 157 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,360 1, 0, 8, 2026. 158 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:36,388 This property is a yet to be addressed parcel that has not yet been. 159 00:18:36,388 --> 00:18:38,230 The subdivision has not been finalized. 160 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:43,962 It was approved by Dr H D C last November. 161 00:18:43,962 --> 00:18:49,568 As part of the prosecution process at that meeting, the parents parcel is 12. 162 00:18:49,568 --> 00:18:50,680 22 Fillmore Street. 163 00:18:50,135 --> 00:18:51,536 And I believe that. 164 00:18:51,536 --> 00:19:03,115 At some point later, Pat may have words to say about the not yet recorded subdivision, but all carry forth with talking about the application. 165 00:19:03,115 --> 00:19:08,820 It is located in the Glenwood Brooklyn Historic District, which is a street-side each OT. 166 00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:14,590 The request is to construct a primary structure, install front walk and stole an insular E walk. 167 00:19:14,590 --> 00:19:17,696 Install parking pad. 168 00:19:17,696 --> 00:19:20,799 And this is a view of the property from Jefferson Street. 169 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:34,479 You can see the existing structure on the parent parcel is on the right side of the photo and the subject area is currently the. 170 00:19:34,479 --> 00:19:38,416 And again, another view of that area. 171 00:19:38,416 --> 00:19:43,752 And another view of the property from the intersection of Fillmore and Jefferson. 172 00:19:44,389 --> 00:19:50,595 A very brief summary of staff concerned is that dimension, setbacks and heights were not provided. 173 00:19:50,595 --> 00:19:55,767 That can Rudy of some into just panels vertically oriented, citing and wide concrete. 174 00:19:55,767 --> 00:19:55,867 Pavers. 175 00:19:55,867 --> 00:20:05,400 Were not provided and typical material details and specifications that are provided as conditions. 176 00:20:10,148 --> 00:20:13,849 Now, Colin, the applicant. 177 00:20:14,786 --> 00:20:20,122 2 provide any presentation or additional information like the print provided. 178 00:20:22,260 --> 00:20:30,368 And if think, yeah, Taylor, if you don't mind signing in hand and will you be speaking at all? 179 00:20:30,368 --> 00:20:36,968 Also? 180 00:20:40,645 --> 00:20:48,582 we'd still like you yes, you will just need to authorize Taylor to speak, 181 00:21:03,635 --> 00:21:05,635 108. 182 00:21:39,704 --> 00:21:43,800 for the record, if you'll both state your name in relationship to the case at the podium, please. 183 00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:46,544 So we can record it. 184 00:21:46,544 --> 00:21:51,160 Taylor meddling with the rally architecture company architect designer involved with the project. 185 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:51,160 Great. 186 00:21:51,116 --> 00:21:54,786 Thank you. 187 00:21:54,786 --> 00:21:55,253 All of Patel. 188 00:21:55,253 --> 00:21:59,124 The property owner, great. 189 00:21:59,124 --> 00:21:59,290 Thank you. 190 00:21:59,290 --> 00:21:59,991 And I'm going swear you both. 191 00:21:59,991 --> 00:22:10,235 And if you don't mind raising your right hand, do you swear affirm that the testimony or provide will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 192 00:22:10,235 --> 00:22:11,200 I great. 193 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:17,242 Thank You can go ahead and print proceed with any additional information you'd like to provide. 194 00:22:17,242 --> 00:22:23,381 You don't have any additional information or than what we've provided a previously in the staff report, which I think have access to. 195 00:22:23,381 --> 00:22:26,885 But I'll be on hand for any questions concerns. 196 00:22:26,885 --> 00:22:28,860 Okay. 197 00:22:28,860 --> 00:22:37,524 At this time will ask if there's anyone from the public who wishes to speak on this case. 198 00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:41,990 Hearing none. 199 00:22:41,299 --> 00:22:49,740 We'll move on to any questions from commissioners or should we stop here to do? 200 00:22:49,674 --> 00:22:52,944 We need to discuss open. 201 00:22:52,944 --> 00:22:57,482 Entitlements are legal matters. 202 00:22:57,482 --> 00:23:02,200 I would suggest that it's appropriate to proceed. 203 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:02,870 Okay. 204 00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:08,360 And one you. 205 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:12,864 Reached the point where you decide what you want to do this evening. 206 00:23:12,864 --> 00:23:14,499 The matter is not going to stay open. 207 00:23:14,499 --> 00:23:19,437 I'd like to share some thoughts subdivision. 208 00:23:19,437 --> 00:23:23,637 Okay. 209 00:23:23,641 --> 00:23:24,420 I have a few questions. 210 00:23:24,275 --> 00:23:32,170 If you don't approaching the podium. 211 00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:32,317 Interesting project. 212 00:23:32,317 --> 00:23:35,120 I remember when we saw the subdivision comes through. 213 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:45,764 So we I think kind of had an idea of what this would be and you had a very nice written description about the project. 214 00:23:45,764 --> 00:23:46,640 And maybe I missed an application. 215 00:23:46,531 --> 00:23:55,707 I mean, one thing that I think helps the rendering sort of shows you mentioned in the written that locacion sort of the relationship to other structures on the block along Jefferson. 216 00:23:55,707 --> 00:23:58,710 And I feel like that was helpful context. 217 00:23:58,710 --> 00:24:01,790 I didn't necessarily see that in the application. 218 00:24:01,379 --> 00:24:04,783 The rendering shows it a little bit, but it's really only. 219 00:24:04,783 --> 00:24:07,218 Kind of a little bit of house on the left of this image. 220 00:24:07,218 --> 00:24:13,158 The green, the greenhouse beyond I I don't know if it was there. 221 00:24:13,158 --> 00:24:18,263 Another like kind of contextual diagram showing may be sort of the way it cited. 222 00:24:18,263 --> 00:24:23,101 I think that might be helpful if he I think maybe only one I would offer the years. 223 00:24:23,101 --> 00:24:27,872 We did include a site plan diagram showing the lot Okay with this round. 224 00:24:27,872 --> 00:24:29,740 Coming next, OK love. 225 00:24:29,607 --> 00:24:32,277 Ation rendering. 226 00:24:32,277 --> 00:24:33,778 We didn't provide anything. 227 00:24:33,778 --> 00:24:43,472 I will just maybe know tat that block is kind of it's a shorter block connecting to Maine streets. 228 00:24:43,472 --> 00:24:48,770 And so there's many structures present currently on that. 229 00:24:48,277 --> 00:24:48,411 Yeah, okay. 230 00:24:48,411 --> 00:24:48,611 I see that. 231 00:24:48,611 --> 00:24:54,617 I see that the site diagram slide 16, the application that that's what I was looking for. 232 00:24:54,617 --> 00:25:00,990 Something I overlooked that and then with regard spend. 233 00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:03,325 You know, we we don't work here, too. 234 00:25:03,325 --> 00:25:11,900 Try to discuss, you know, compatibility with the legal standard is the Stark district not other? 235 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:23,780 Toning request, but I just for our understanding is there is a pending subdivision, application did mention that there is a pending some division. 236 00:25:23,712 --> 00:25:27,316 So this subdivision has been approved by this committee approved by the city. 237 00:25:27,316 --> 00:25:31,120 We're getting ready to issue the final plant. 238 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:40,462 There is a sewer easement on the property that we are just trying to determine exactly where that lies prior to recording the final plat. 239 00:25:40,462 --> 00:25:45,901 So unfortunately, we love to have done already, but we are in the process but not final plat record yet. 240 00:25:45,901 --> 00:25:49,705 Okay. 241 00:25:49,705 --> 00:25:53,442 and one the main staff concerns was about dimensions to. 242 00:25:53,442 --> 00:25:57,179 The the property line specifically related to setbacks. 243 00:25:57,179 --> 00:26:12,227 Do you have an understanding of is it within the allowable setbacks for the zoning or will that need to board of adjustment know where where we currently show it to the best of our knowledge. 244 00:26:12,227 --> 00:26:15,597 We complying with the U D A setback standards for a tiny House lawn. 245 00:26:15,597 --> 00:26:18,934 It is worth noting but no, we we need all of our setback criteria. 246 00:26:18,934 --> 00:26:22,338 Okay. 247 00:26:22,338 --> 00:26:22,438 Thank you. 248 00:26:22,438 --> 00:26:26,141 I don't I don't have any other questions right now. 249 00:26:26,141 --> 00:26:26,342 John. 250 00:26:26,342 --> 00:26:30,342 Any questions? 251 00:26:31,914 --> 00:26:32,140 Thank you. 252 00:26:32,114 --> 00:26:35,414 Thank you. 253 00:26:38,153 --> 00:26:43,826 And time close the evidentiary hearing and bring the matter to the table. 254 00:26:43,826 --> 00:26:48,397 I will note that, fact, to the media standards referenced are those for tiny House. 255 00:26:48,397 --> 00:26:49,465 Lots. 256 00:26:49,465 --> 00:26:49,531 Okay. 257 00:26:49,531 --> 00:26:49,832 So thank you. 258 00:26:49,832 --> 00:26:53,399 Section 2002.8 259 00:27:06,248 --> 00:27:11,587 Thoughts read somewhere that the the neighborhood, this is the setbacks are. 260 00:27:11,587 --> 00:27:14,189 Kind of clearly. 261 00:27:14,189 --> 00:27:17,926 want to say define but like. 262 00:27:17,926 --> 00:27:26,368 When you see a street, you see that all the houses were intentionally built at a certain dimension. 263 00:27:26,368 --> 00:27:32,410 I read that I was trying to find the right now, but just looking at the slot 16, the one that you're talking about. 264 00:27:32,410 --> 00:27:38,547 And looking at any other, is there any other? 265 00:27:38,547 --> 00:27:42,151 Buildings on Jefferson Street that actually face Jefferson Street. 266 00:27:42,151 --> 00:27:44,720 looks like everything's kind of us the side of a house, right? 267 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,900 The ones that I see at least on the block of. 268 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:49,580 No more. 269 00:27:49,580 --> 00:28:01,970 Here's There I mean, there's one there's one on the corner of Glenwood and Jefferson that does because it's been sort of realigned an added on to. 270 00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:10,120 So I would say it France And, you know, stripped I was thinking the same way you are John, about Lake. 271 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:13,282 Are there other? 272 00:28:13,282 --> 00:28:13,849 Contextual conditions for it? 273 00:28:13,849 --> 00:28:20,255 And you know where we've been talking about updates to our guidelines. 274 00:28:20,255 --> 00:28:27,763 Unlike accessory, dwellings and you know, tiny homes you know, I think kind of unique context. 275 00:28:27,763 --> 00:28:32,568 And so. 276 00:28:32,568 --> 00:28:35,671 Personally, I would say maybe it's the appropriate context for a tiny house. 277 00:28:35,671 --> 00:28:40,420 Face like maybe done on predominant direction of other houses. 278 00:28:40,242 --> 00:28:43,846 So it's not trying to be. 279 00:28:43,846 --> 00:28:44,413 A primary structure. 280 00:28:44,413 --> 00:28:55,190 I could see some logic for that you know, also that just the natural great and the primary structure, structure on the original lot, but also the neighboring structure. 281 00:28:55,190 --> 00:29:02,531 Me there's so much taller than what the the tiny home will be. 282 00:29:02,531 --> 00:29:03,966 I feel like it's like a context. 283 00:29:03,966 --> 00:29:06,101 It's a neat. 284 00:29:06,101 --> 00:29:07,636 Interesting take on a contextual ad. 285 00:29:07,636 --> 00:29:14,430 just also say, you know, within this, this part of this district couple blocks away. 286 00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:20,482 There's there's a cottage court that's unique. 287 00:29:20,482 --> 00:29:25,354 Redevelopment pattern in Raleigh N that is within the historic district. 288 00:29:25,354 --> 00:29:26,989 I know it's not. 289 00:29:26,989 --> 00:29:33,729 I know it's not a you know, from the period of significance. 290 00:29:33,729 --> 00:29:36,732 Obviously, it's a new development, but that is within HR director. 291 00:29:36,732 --> 00:29:38,934 You're correct? 292 00:29:38,934 --> 00:29:39,680 Yes, score is within Jodi. 293 00:29:39,568 --> 00:29:43,672 It was in the permitting process prior to district designation. 294 00:29:43,672 --> 00:29:47,609 So just it. 295 00:29:47,609 --> 00:29:50,245 on the way right before as nation to is not a that's correct project. 296 00:29:50,245 --> 00:29:55,450 Okay. 297 00:29:55,417 --> 00:29:59,321 And then I think because correct if I'm wrong because it's new. 298 00:29:59,321 --> 00:30:01,924 Not just the front. 299 00:30:01,924 --> 00:30:02,910 25% matters. 300 00:30:02,358 --> 00:30:13,102 So this everything is correct. 301 00:30:13,102 --> 00:30:13,202 Yeah. 302 00:30:13,202 --> 00:30:16,105 Well, it will weaken reopen the venture here in creative. 303 00:30:16,105 --> 00:30:17,673 I don't think do we have any other comments? 304 00:30:17,673 --> 00:30:17,973 Okay. 305 00:30:17,973 --> 00:30:18,730 Yeah. 306 00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:18,774 Feel free to come forward. 307 00:30:18,774 --> 00:30:20,776 Taylor. 308 00:30:20,776 --> 00:30:25,314 Yeah, at this time will reopen evidentiary hearing. 309 00:30:25,314 --> 00:30:25,481 Thank you. 310 00:30:25,481 --> 00:30:30,719 Just comment John discussing about facing on Jefferson, it you can't see it from the site pictures. 311 00:30:30,719 --> 00:30:37,125 But if you were to go just further west, the street that connects up to Glenwood. 312 00:30:37,125 --> 00:30:44,966 I believe all of those houses to face north to Jefferson, even the one on the corner, which is 2 properties stand to the West is also facing Jefferson. 313 00:30:44,966 --> 00:30:53,900 So there is within the link to that block outside of small street because it's by sick to buy an There are several examples, OK? 314 00:30:53,624 --> 00:30:55,526 Thank you. 315 00:30:55,526 --> 00:30:58,950 You have any other. 316 00:30:58,950 --> 00:31:01,629 Comments for the applicant. 317 00:31:03,634 --> 00:31:09,302 Will close their that ensure hearing again. 318 00:31:10,474 --> 00:31:11,800 You know, we've got a small group up here. 319 00:31:11,642 --> 00:31:12,900 How are we feeling? 320 00:31:12,176 --> 00:31:20,510 Not a lot of comments home the fiber cement of panel laws version of that. 321 00:31:20,284 --> 00:31:26,230 That would be one thing and then out think the the skylight interpretation, things was the other thing that kind no doubt to me. 322 00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:29,930 I mean everything else I think seems reasonable from a condition standpoint. 323 00:31:29,827 --> 00:31:30,795 I'm curious what you guessed. 324 00:31:30,795 --> 00:31:37,735 Think about those 2 citing being one in the sky light on the front. 325 00:31:37,735 --> 00:31:44,809 Slow or front face. 326 00:31:44,809 --> 00:31:54,510 Call that the the former primary structure on the site, which is now in the process of being subdivided. 327 00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:56,420 That was a cla, correct turn. 328 00:31:56,420 --> 00:31:57,188 No, it was not. 329 00:31:57,188 --> 00:32:01,756 That also occurred prior to district has interesting okay. 330 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:13,237 Now I know. 331 00:32:13,237 --> 00:32:13,804 Project in this district. 332 00:32:13,804 --> 00:32:22,146 I mean, we've approved 5 or cement paneling and this this district. 333 00:32:22,146 --> 00:32:23,147 Certainly fiber off the top my head. 334 00:32:23,147 --> 00:32:29,587 I cannot recall whether large form panels have been approved. 335 00:32:29,587 --> 00:32:36,930 would likely see them on rear titian's that are not required to through the ceiling crisis that that's I'm thinking. 336 00:32:36,794 --> 00:32:36,894 Ok? 337 00:32:36,894 --> 00:32:42,394 Thank you. 338 00:32:45,870 --> 00:32:53,878 One could argue that the portion of the summit panels being. 339 00:32:53,878 --> 00:33:04,550 similar vertical orientation as a board and batten proposed board batten siding is just a new interpretation of material that 30 being used, which is also some additions panel. 340 00:33:04,488 --> 00:33:15,660 But Justin, a different proportion to differentiate I think he noted that in letter. 341 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:19,670 I mean, do with the bad name. 342 00:33:19,670 --> 00:33:20,400 To me. 343 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,108 It really takes away it looking like. 344 00:33:24,108 --> 00:33:27,478 Big panels, you know, like you don't see if she to mention. 345 00:33:27,478 --> 00:33:27,611 He's much. 346 00:33:27,611 --> 00:33:28,646 I mean, really have to look for it. 347 00:33:28,646 --> 00:33:32,783 So. 348 00:33:32,783 --> 00:33:34,785 mean, I could I could see. 349 00:33:34,785 --> 00:33:37,922 And it's in set from yeah. 350 00:33:37,922 --> 00:33:38,220 Face also. 351 00:33:38,122 --> 00:33:40,858 Yeah, there's a pretty good. 352 00:33:40,858 --> 00:33:43,227 President photo. 353 00:33:43,227 --> 00:33:47,661 On slide 22. 354 00:33:52,837 --> 00:33:54,805 And there's there's some asymmetry. 355 00:33:54,805 --> 00:33:58,743 But overall, feel like that like. 356 00:33:58,743 --> 00:34:08,114 You know, the pattern and portions of the windows and openings are pretty You small ovations works with it. 357 00:34:09,453 --> 00:34:10,221 It may be worth asking applicant. 358 00:34:10,221 --> 00:34:13,900 I believe the photos on Page. 359 00:34:13,824 --> 00:34:20,640 22 are examples of materials and not necessarily representative materials found in the district. 360 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:29,473 Ray I I took it as as representative materials of what would be used, but not it in the district. 361 00:34:29,473 --> 00:34:34,908 I didn't take it is projects and the district. 362 00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:40,584 So Pat. 363 00:34:40,584 --> 00:34:46,457 If we're close so making, I don't know that we have a lot more. 364 00:34:46,457 --> 00:34:50,270 Discourse here or questions for the applicant. 365 00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:53,970 So I think we're probably close. 366 00:34:53,970 --> 00:34:55,733 to motion. 367 00:34:55,733 --> 00:34:58,502 don't know if you have any recommendations for us. 368 00:34:58,502 --> 00:34:58,903 I do. 369 00:34:58,903 --> 00:35:02,106 Thank you. 370 00:35:02,106 --> 00:35:12,416 My advice to would-be that because the subject matter of this application applies to certain plot of land. 371 00:35:12,416 --> 00:35:19,323 That does not yet exist under state law and city Hall subdivision is not complete. 372 00:35:19,323 --> 00:35:22,790 plan is not recorded. 373 00:35:22,793 --> 00:35:23,940 He should keep this matter. 374 00:35:23,561 --> 00:35:25,696 Open. 375 00:35:25,696 --> 00:35:31,402 Until the subdivision he's recorded. 376 00:35:31,402 --> 00:35:38,740 Otherwise there could be legal argument that the grant of a certificate appropriateness is premature. 377 00:35:40,945 --> 00:35:44,248 Could be granted condition. 378 00:35:44,248 --> 00:35:47,782 I wouldn't advise it. 379 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:48,652 Certainly nice clean that way. 380 00:35:48,652 --> 00:35:54,425 I think more susceptible to challenge. 381 00:35:54,425 --> 00:35:58,996 At this Bring the applicant's backup and Rio get their reopen. 382 00:35:58,996 --> 00:36:00,970 The evidentiary hearing to get there. 383 00:36:00,970 --> 00:36:04,464 Their feedback. 384 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:08,639 It looks like. 385 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:10,941 You're hearing the. 386 00:36:10,941 --> 00:36:19,216 You know the conversation and so, you know, kind of point speak would be deferral to future. 387 00:36:19,216 --> 00:36:23,200 A future meeting. 388 00:36:23,187 --> 00:36:23,987 We can. 389 00:36:23,987 --> 00:36:40,738 I'm not sure house if you have a timeline on the the likely approval we could usually when we differ, try to offer he thought the next month are the following month State so the next month would be. 390 00:36:40,738 --> 00:36:40,804 Thursday. 391 00:36:40,804 --> 00:36:44,938 The 24th of September. 392 00:36:45,876 --> 00:36:49,880 Thursday, the 22nd of October. 393 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,415 Would be the next 2 months. 394 00:36:51,415 --> 00:36:57,870 And then November, we typically take one it before Thursday's Thanksgiving. 395 00:36:57,788 --> 00:37:01,592 So usually becomes combined with the December hearing. 396 00:37:01,592 --> 00:37:07,145 So I mean, I I would assume I don't have hard date on when the plant will be recorded. 397 00:37:07,145 --> 00:37:21,920 I would assume here in the foreseeable future if we are allowed to be placed on the agenda for the following month in order make sure record the plot correctly and get that a complete. 398 00:37:21,325 --> 00:37:24,128 We have no opposition to that approach. 399 00:37:24,128 --> 00:37:28,660 If we're allowed to get on the agenda for next month, gladly take it if not. 400 00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:33,370 Well, apply again within the requirements. 401 00:37:33,370 --> 00:37:35,907 And Colette there. 402 00:37:35,907 --> 00:37:40,110 doesn't sound like there planning many. 403 00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:41,450 You know, changes to the application. 404 00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:46,217 But if they but they still need to resubmit something with it. 405 00:37:46,217 --> 00:37:57,610 You know, a recent Middle Tate comment or could they just sees it for the September meeting unless there are additional materials that you would like to request it. 406 00:37:57,261 --> 00:38:01,650 Sound as though much was. 407 00:38:01,265 --> 00:38:04,899 Being discussed in that regard. 408 00:38:05,503 --> 00:38:09,974 Essentially place the same application materials on the September agenda. 409 00:38:09,974 --> 00:38:12,443 Okay. 410 00:38:12,443 --> 00:38:15,513 If they did want to make any changes, what? 411 00:38:15,513 --> 00:38:17,515 But with the submission day be cause probably soon. 412 00:38:17,515 --> 00:38:20,885 Right? 413 00:38:20,885 --> 00:38:25,560 At this point, I believe it would be something that is just brought to the meeting. 414 00:38:25,156 --> 00:38:29,594 Could not we would not have sufficient time revise the staff report. 415 00:38:29,594 --> 00:38:36,000 still okay with that that September Yes, that should be no. 416 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,634 No opposition to that. 417 00:38:36,634 --> 00:38:39,671 Thank you. 418 00:38:39,671 --> 00:38:42,730 Okay. 419 00:38:42,730 --> 00:38:45,674 Close the evidence hearing. 420 00:38:46,878 --> 00:38:51,816 And a move to defer the application to the September 24th 2026. 421 00:38:51,816 --> 00:38:56,200 Elaine meeting second Motion's been made second and all those in favor say Aye. 422 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,356 Aye, any opposed. 423 00:38:58,356 --> 00:38:58,423 Okay. 424 00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:04,696 The motion carries unanimously thank you for your patience and for the application. 425 00:39:04,696 --> 00:39:09,767 I believe. 426 00:39:09,767 --> 00:39:11,690 brings us to the end of the agenda. 427 00:39:11,336 --> 00:39:13,471 Do we have any other? 428 00:39:13,471 --> 00:39:14,405 Do we need? 429 00:39:14,405 --> 00:39:16,974 okay. 430 00:39:16,974 --> 00:39:23,147 I was going to savor some steps and just bring I know she's got some paperwork this time. 431 00:39:23,147 --> 00:39:27,148 We will know. 432 00:39:29,554 --> 00:39:31,589 Bring back. 433 00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:33,491 The SEAL. 434 00:39:33,491 --> 00:39:34,859 A chair and the meeting. 435 00:39:34,859 --> 00:39:47,650 Back off A lot that money. 436 00:39:49,841 --> 00:39:53,770 Is there any other business? 437 00:39:53,378 --> 00:39:53,811 There is not. 438 00:39:53,811 --> 00:39:54,780 All right with that. 439 00:39:54,178 --> 00:39:54,879 This meeting is adjourned. 440 00:39:54,879 --> 00:39:57,348 Thank you very much. 441 00:39:57,348 --> 00:40:09,725 Easiest gig ? 442 00:40:11,429 --> 00:40:29,311 ?