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Aye. A little mayor pro-tam. How are you? Good. Good. We miss you up here. I miss you, too.

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All right. I'd like to call this close session order at 6.02 p.m. We get roll call, please. Certainly,

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mayor pro-tam. Councilmember Ferrero. Ah, he made it. Councilmember Lewis. Here. Councilmember

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Councillor Perrestam. Mayor Pro Temsale. Mayor Bradley via Zoom.

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Here.

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We have a core mayor and next item are public comments for closed session items.

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Seeing none, we can move to our closed session item list.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem and members of the council. Any who may be viewing with us electronically.

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The city council has three items on its closed session agenda.

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They are as follows. A closed session will be held for soon. The government code section

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Section 54957.6 with the city's labor negotiators regarding ongoing labor negotiations with AFSCME District 36.

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City Council will also meet in closed session pursuant to government code section 54956.9D2 or D3 and E1 because there is significant exposure litigation in one case.

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And lastly, we will meet in close session pursuant to government code section 549-56.9E because the council is considering whether to initiate litigation in two cases.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem.

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Thank you. Thank you. We will recess our close session to the far side room. Thank you, everyone.

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Dave, you good?

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Good.

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Okay. I'm going to start this meeting.

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I'll call this meeting to order at 706, roll call please.

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Councilmember Ferraro?

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Here.

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Councilmember Perry-Stam?

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Here.

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Councilmember Lewis?

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Here.

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Mayor Prattemseo?

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Here.

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Mayor Bradley and Tum.

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Here.

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We have a quorum.

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Our next item then is the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Thank you.

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Today, our Pledge of Allegiance will be led by our Deputy City Manager, Ms. John.

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The next item is

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the closed session report.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem, members of the Council, ladies and gentlemen.

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The City Council had three items on its closed session agenda tonight.

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The first involved ongoing labor negotiations with the part time employee unit represented

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by AFSCME District 36, there was a privileged and confidential briefing on the status of

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negotiations.

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Additional negotiating authority was given to the city's negotiating team.

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No reportable action was taken.

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With respect to items number two and three, on the closed session agendas were placeholder

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items that were not needed tonight and were not discussed.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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I'm going to mention something that happened not too long ago where we lost some sure safety.

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So tonight is in the memoriam, we're going to read a little extra from tonight.

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Okay, National Night Out is an annual community building event that promotes strong partnerships between law enforcement and fire and neighbors they serve.

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It's a night with residents, public safety personnel and city leaders come together in unity to strengthen trust, build relationships, and show that safety is a shared responsibility.

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For our PVNational Night Out is more than a tradition, so reminder that when we work together we create safe for more connected and more resilient communities.

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On this national night out, a night that stands for Community Partnership and Trust between Law Enforcement and the public, we pause to honor the three brave Los Angeles Sheriff's Department detectives, Detective Joshua Kelly Eckland, Detective Victor Lemus, and Detective William Osborne, who are all assigned to Special Enforcement Bureau's Arts and Explosive Detail, and made the ultimate sacrifice on July 18th, 2025.

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May their legacy remind us why this night matters because strong communities are built on unity, respect, and standing together.

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Their loss is deeply felt and we will remember them, not just for how they pass, but for how they lived.

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With courage, commitment to justice, and the compassion they carried will never be forgotten.

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These detectives were more than law enforcement. There were sons, fathers, friends, and heroes.

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We honor their service, our hearts are with their loved ones, and the entire LSD family.

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So we'll be adjourning this meeting tonight in their honor.

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Thank you.

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Next item.

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If I may have a motion to approve the recycle and emergency personal preparedness kit

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drawing winners, Kathy Anderson and Sandra Beirons.

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Sound moved?

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Second.

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Council Member Lewis.

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Yes.

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Council Member Paris-Dan.

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Yes.

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Council Member Ferraro.

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Yes.

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Mayor Rotem Seil.

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Yes.

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Mayor Bradley.

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Yes.

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Motion passes.

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our next item is the approval of the agenda.

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Can I get a motion to approve the agenda, please?

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So moved.

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Can I get a second?

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Council Member Ferraro.

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Yes.

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Council Member Lewis.

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Yes.

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Council Member Peristam.

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Yes.

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Mayor Pro Temseo.

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Yes.

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Mayor Bradley.

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Yes.

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Motion passes.

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Without we can move to our public comments for non-agenda items.

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And I do have two requests to speak.

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Our first speaker is Carol Mueller.

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Good evening, Carol.

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Good evening.

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I've been trying to work with Terry about exposing something that probably a lot of people

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would be interested in.

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My issue involves San Pedro Locke and Key, and maybe Torrance, Memorial, or Torrance

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Locke that they just don't want to deal with it, I don't know, but it also may involve

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of my ex-husband and his wife and San Pedro Locke and Kea

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the pair has sold the keys to my house to people that they

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shouldn't have done.

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It's cost me a lot of money.

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Between the two so far, I've spent $850 and nothing is right.

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I gave Terry this article that I got out of the computer, how to verify that your

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locksmith is bonded license and insured.

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I've known San Pedro Lock and Keith for many years, but obviously there's different

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owners.

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I don't know what to say, but, uh...

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I'm missing things in my house. Nobody's breaking in. There's no evidence that anybody's broken in. So whoever's coming in is coming in with a key. And one

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of the things that I'm missing is I had a big four by three. One of the original pictures from the moon that was given to me by some of the original astronauts. My ex, Vanistre Bray,

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who, by the way, worked here for a while,

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poked a hole in the center of it.

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It was real cute.

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So I'm not sure it has any value,

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but I have two turtle cards for those that remember

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back in the 70s, one signed by Wale Shira.

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And I forget which other one.

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But this is how to verify.

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And it says, if they are supposed to get

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finger printed and California has a law and they need to be bonded so you know

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they're honest if these people do this to other people it isn't very funny and

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it's very frustrating when you're trying to lead a normal life and every

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time you turn around something you see they're missing or broken in your house

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anyway, other than the fact that it's cost me a lot of money, nothing is still fixed.

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I have five doors in and out of my house, and I think maybe in your newsletter it might

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be good to put in some information about what locksmiths are required to be, so that this

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doesn't happen to somebody else.

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I appreciate your help.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker, Biazoum, is Eva Aboucia?

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Can you hear me okay?

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Yep, you got you.

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All right.

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Perfect.

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Good evening.

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Mayor Pertencille, Mayor Bradley, city council, city staff.

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A couple things.

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Excited to see how well the paving went this time.

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It's great on PB Drive South.

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It's running great for all of us to drive on.

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Also it's great to see the new crane

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that's putting in a new well over there

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and the other side of the ski jump.

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The things I have questions on is on exultant

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and the corner of exultant and dauntless.

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The house still has not been demoed yet.

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I wanted to see if you guys can put some pressure

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on getting that moving because we are already getting into August

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and rainy season is just around the corner, so we love to see that done.

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That's the first item. The second item is, I would like to see on your city website

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and information about the exact plan of the sanitation plans of where you will be

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removing sewer if PV drive southwards of fail.

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We already had one time that had to close down for a few hours and it's doomed to be happening

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anytime in the future.

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So we need to get everybody involved.

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All Rancher Paul's verties needs to know what your plan is.

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Where is the stations of where you'd be pumping, removing sewer?

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Where's the connection lines?

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what is your plan of action? Where's the trucks coming from? Where is

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peppertrees outlet? Where is CVU's outlet? What is the plan for everything? We've

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heard that you're going to be doing trucks, but we haven't seen anything

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arriving. We need to know. There's only a few feet left on PV Drive South next to

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the ski slope and we are moving four inches a week or whatever it is in that

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section. And we need to be prepared as a community if that ski slope has to be shut down and what is your next plan of action on sanitation?

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Thank you very much and have a great evening.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker, forgive me. Our next item is the City Manager Report.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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through tonight's presentation, my city manager's report.

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I do want to respond that on two of our public speakers are on agenda items.

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The suggestion that we put an article on how to select a locksmith, I think that's a good

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one, and we will, it may not be in the fall, a new quarterly newsletter, but we may put one

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an article in future newsletter, so I just wanted to provide that response, so the council

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also is always good to know how to select certain special services and know what to look for.

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And then in terms of the last speaker who asked about the abatement for the House, the red tag

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House, the corner of exultant and dollars, I know working with Grandee in the Community Development Department,

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we were very close to getting the last permits from the AQMD.

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We're hoping that we will be able to do that demolition this week, if not early in

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next week, so we will notify the residents and as soon as we get word, I'll make sure the

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Council is aware of it as well, so just wanted to answer those to provide you some responses

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to those questions.

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So with that, I want to start my city manager's report, and I think it may be deja vu or

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not, but it seems like a little over 24 hours ago, we were in this very same room to commemorate

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our five-year anniversary with our sister city,

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so core city, it's hard to believe that it's been five years.

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We started that back in August of 2020,

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and we did that remotely, we did the resolutions,

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and here we, for those of you who were not in attendance.

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Last night we held a special ceremonial celebration

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of the five years with our sister city.

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They were, it was morning for them evening for us.

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we had a cake, we gifted them a wood sculpture because for those of you who follow those traditions

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of how anniversaries are recognized five years is the year of the wood, and so we gave them

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a wood sculpture. But I also want to take a moment that this year is a special year. We had a banner

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year with our sister city. There was a lot that we engaged in. We went to Sakura City to celebrate

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They're 20th anniversary as a city as they came to our city in 2023 to celebrate our 50th anniversary.

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So it was a great opportunity last night to reflect on.

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I think all of us had a lot of gratitude and appreciation for their generosity and their hospitality.

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So I just wanted to just bring it to the public's attention that we do have this sister city relationship with Sakura City.

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And we're five years into it and look forward to many more years.

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We're going to launch a penpal program as well. So any of those who are interested, especially our youth that will have more information available on the city's website.

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So next slide, Nathan.

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So as Mayor Pro Tem mentioned tonight is National Night Out and it's a very special night.

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In fact, our captain is absent for the time being, but she will be here shortly to participate.

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But you can you can see that we've got some of our glasses on and I'll put them on as well

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But national national night out is is a very special night. It's an opportunity once a year. I can't do this

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I can't speak, but it's an opportunity to bring the community together and and recognize our law enforcement and our

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Public safety and what's most significant out of this event is the fact that our our law enforcement is going out in

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meeting and interacting with our community and coming, serving in a united front on how

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we address crime and the importance of public safety and also the announcement of our new

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public safety division you guys look so cool with these glasses on. So one of the things

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that we wanted to do as we had our reception from four to six o'clock and that's where we

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all receive these glasses. We had a reception out in the courtyard. There was a video that

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But we published and released on social media that I want to play because I think there's

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two messages.

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One is how we communicate to the public.

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I just thought it was just a great video on seeing the human side of our law enforcement

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officers that I want to share with the public.

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So it's about 30 seconds that was produced by our public safety manager, Jen Schmidt, who's

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in the back who's going to be speaking later this evening.

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So Nathan, if you can play the video for our audience and council, I think go for it.

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Hey, hi, hey, hey, no, that's not August, it's

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an attitude in Rancho Palace Verde's next Tuesday, ready?

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Hey, stop by Hespar in the City of Rancho Palace Verde's next Tuesday, August 5th, between 4 and 6 p.m.

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You're going to meet your local first responders and just for showing up, you'll get some cool merch

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and you'll even have the opportunity to win some amazing prizes, an Apple iPad,

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you get free weather radios, the possibility of winning an emergency go-back

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or even this ring camera for your own security system.

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Let's see you there.

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So I know the event already happened.

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Hopefully for those of you who were not in attendance this evening,

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you'll remember National Night Out next year.

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It's always the first Tuesday of August.

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We have a great event. We have these giveaways.

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And it's a great opportunity for you to meet the captain and interact with both our

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sheriff's department as well as our fire department.

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So mark your calendars and remember, okay, glass is off.

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Next slide.

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So I believe it was the last council meeting that our resident, Lynne Bielski, came to the

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council and mentioned, gave, told us a very great story about the bombings that occurred

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in Hiroshima, which it's actually 80 years ago, tomorrow and on the 9th, and how the church,

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I believe it was the Church of Europe, Kami Cathedral, which is a Catholic church,

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was demolished as a result of the bombings, but and the two bell towers were lost. There was

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a north and south bell tower known as the bells of Nagasaki. And so the church was rebuilt in 1956,

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And the only one bell was installed and recently the second bell, the north bell, was gifted to the church.

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And so this past Sunday, there was a special event, a musical performance, commemorating the gifting of the bell.

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And that bell is actually going to be sounded, I believe it's going to be on August 9th at 11 o'clock to AM.

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So, that's going to be the first use of that bell, and I know Councilmember Pereson,

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you attended that event at St. John's Fisher and so I just wanted to let the public know

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if we have some information on the city's website if you're interested in learning more

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about this event.

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There's a great history and it's also featured in the peninsula news.

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Next slide.

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And as the council knows, we are tracking the movement of Assembly Bill 986, which was

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introduced by Assembly Member Almer Suci, which will include landslides in the Emergency

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Services Act.

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And today, this afternoon, the Board of Supervisors under a consent calendar submitted a support

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letter for Assembly Bill 986, which we understand is tentatively scheduled to be heard by the

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appropriations committee on August 18th, so we will continue to follow this bill.

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We are sponsors of this bill.

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This is very important to our city and the landside complex.

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Next slide.

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For those of you who follow all things related to the palace for this nature preserve,

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we have an upcoming quarterly public forum meeting that happens every quarter.

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And that next meeting is scheduled for August 21st at 6 p.m.

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It's held at the city hall community room.

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It's a hybrid meeting so you can participate in person or virtually if you're interested in learning more about the trails including

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The status of the trail closures as a result of the landside

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The public's welcome to this public forum meeting next slide and

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the council may recall you approved this a couple meetings ago a community

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Survey is going to be launched or has has launched by the recreation parks department

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I mean, we want to learn and hear from our residents about the different programs and

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classes you'd like offered at our recreational facilities.

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There are two surveys.

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There's a youth survey that are for individuals that are up to 17 years old.

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And those who are 18 or older, there's an adult version.

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The information's on the city's website, and we have these QR codes that you could scan

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and download on your device and fill out that survey.

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We're hoping to get responses by September 30th, and that will help shape the programming that we offer on our parks.

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Next slide.

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And speaking of programming in our parks, if you're interested in softballing, your youth wants to join a softball camp.

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We have that featured August 15th through 17th. It's going to be at Ryan Park and our very own recreation parks staffer.

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or Jordan Kraus is going to be taking the lead in that softball camp, so if you're interested, it's $120 per person and applications are being accepted now.

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Next slide.

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And as we are in August and it's last call for our movies in the park and our constant park, the next moving the park is this Saturday.

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And it's wild robot. And it's going to be at the Candidacific Center. The movie starts at 7 p.m. But well, the event starts at 7 p.m. The movie will start at sundown, which or dusk. And so we've got that. And then on Saturday, August 23rd to week two Saturdays past the movies in the park. We have our last concert in the park and it's going to be oldies and classic rocks. So if you're interested, come out to that event.

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And that starts at four o'clock, and it's always a great event, especially as you're listening to great music and watching the sunset, it's a beautiful setting, so come out, bring your families next slide.

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And I'm very excited to announce this year's covert of the leadership academy, the city has been doing this for several years and we get many great participants who end up applying for many of our volunteer positions on committees

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and eventually lead into some of you who end up running for council as well.

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So our leisure academy applications are open.

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We are starting to accept the applications.

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We have 25 slots and we're accepting applications through August 20th.

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And I've got a video I want to show on this one as well.

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So if Nathan, you can play the video.

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I'm RMR on your Renjo Piles Verticity Manager.

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If you have ever wondered about what city employees do to keep our community running

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seamlessly, then that may be a sign for you to apply to the city's leadership academy.

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A program designed to inform and educate citizens about the operations of local government.

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The fall 2025 program will focus on our main departments, administration, community

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development, public safety, recreation and parks, and public work.

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Presentations will be conducted by the department directors, with other speakers including myself

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Mayor David Bradley, Mayor Podem, Paul Sale, and more.

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Our deputy city manager, Catherine June,

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has more information to share about the program.

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Hello, I'm Catherine Jun, deputy city manager

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of Rancho Palace Ferties.

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Leadership Academy is not only a great way

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to learn about city functions, but it is also a stepping stone

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into the world of local government.

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Many previous participants have continued their involvement

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by serving on our advisory committees.

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If you have any interest in running for local office or working in the public sector, then you are encouraged to apply.

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Please note that space is limited and approved on a first-come, first-served basis.

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I'm very excited and enthusiastic about this year's program because not only is this a great opportunity for you, the citizens, but it is also a great opportunity for us to city staff.

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To meet and connect with community leaders and advocates.

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Those of us here at City Hall are committed to making leadership academy a valuable and enriching

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experience.

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I hope to see you there.

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August 20th, submit your applications.

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The things more awkward than watching yourself on screen.

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My last item I want to report out is this Thursday's actually a national light house day.

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And I think it's very special because that is an iconic feature we have in Rancho Paz,

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Third is the point for Sunday Lighthouse and next year, 2020-26 is its 100th anniversary

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and so I wanted to just end on that note to remind us that we are going to be actively

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involved in celebrating the 100th year anniversary of our blood point for Sunday Lighthouse.

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That concludes my report this evening.

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Thank you.

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Next item, please.

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Our next item is the consent calendar.

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Late correspondence was distributed on items letter E and H and I do not have any

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Any request to speak?

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Okay.

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Can I get a motion to approve the consent calendar, please?

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I need to approve.

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Can I get a second?

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Second.

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Council Member Ferraro?

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Yes.

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Council Member Perrestam?

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Yes.

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Council Member Lewis?

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Yes.

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Mayor Pro Temseo?

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Yes.

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Mayor Bratley?

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Yes.

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Motion passes.

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With that, we can move to item number one.

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Under regular business consideration to receive a status report on recommended traffic measures

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for Pell's Rudy's Drive East between Crest Road and Pell's Rudy's Drive South, and I currently have two requests to speak.

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Thank you. Can we get the staff report?

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Good evening, Honorable Mayor Hurtem, City Council Members.

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I'd like to start this evening's presentation by first introducing traffic safety committee chair,

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Crossman, who is in the audience this evening, and available to answer questions on the traffic safety committee's discussion and

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role in this topic and thank the Traffic Safety Committee for their hard work.

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Just a quick reminder on the timeline, this goes back a couple of years to when the

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HOA, the Mediterranean HOA reached out to the city about recent crashes and most recently

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you may recall seeing this item in May when staff presented a report with recommendations

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questions for the city council and just a quick reminder about existing conditions.

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The subject roadway under discussion today, Palsworth is driving east from Crest Road to PV Drive South.

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Which is 35 miles per hour from Crest Road to Ganado and then 40 miles per hour from Ganado to PV Drive South under existing conditions.

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On May 20th, the city council approved several items, modifying the landscaping in the median.

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between Pousport and his drive east and the spur road, moving the stop bar at Ganado to the flow line of PV drive east, upgrading signs and pavement markings and installing a five foot bike lane as part of the pavement upcoming pavement project for PV drive east and last but not least prioritizing law enforcement with a return report the speed limit recommendation, the recommendation to adopt a resolution establishing a new speed limit was deferred

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and is the primary topic of this evening's agenda item.

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But first, just a quick update on the other measures that the City Council approved.

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The landscaping, the city is now contracted with a landscape architecture company to prepare

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a concept design, which will be done in consultation with the HOA before any implementation.

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The stop bar has been relocated to the flow line of PV drive east to improve the ability of drivers to get closer to the flow line.

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Signage upgrades have been installed with the exception of speed feedback signs.

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They've been ordered and they're expected to arrive within the next couple days this week.

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And finally, the design work is in progress for the bike lanes as part of the upcoming CIP project for the pavement management of PV drive east.

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For traffic enforcement, I'll turn it over to Jennifer.

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Thank you, good evening, Honorable Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem and City Council.

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I'm here to provide a status update on the Lumina Sheriff's Station's recent enhanced traffic enforcement program along the Palisforated Drive East between Crosford commonly known as the Switch Facts.

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So on May 25th, the Sheriff's Department launched a 30-day targeted initiative, combining enforcement and public outreach to reduce unsafe driving behaviors, particularly for speeding.

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In the first phase, which was a 10-day enforcement surge during which deputies conducted 186 patrols, which means they observed 166 times along the switchbacks.

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And they issued 110 citations, 78, which were for speeding, in total over the full 30-day period, 141 citations were issued.

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Next slide.

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Following a request from Council Members' Parastam and Louis,

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Lumina Sheriff's Station compiled data on the origin of those cited.

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So 48% of the side of drivers were from the Palis Verde's Peninsula, which included 54 citations from Rancho Palis Verde's 14 citations.

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from the other peninsula cities of Rolling Hills estates, Rolling Hills, and

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Poles Parais estates.

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19% were from San Pedro, which due to proximity, we consider part of the local region.

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And 33% were from other cities outside the immediate area.

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In short, about two-thirds of the citations were issued to local or regional drivers.

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For our speed management plan to address these concerns, staff has developed a speed management plan

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focused on enforcement and education while engineering efforts such as lookout modifications

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are underway, enforcement and education will be our primary focus moving forward.

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The limit of stir up station has reviewed citation data to identify high violation days

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and times for targeted enforcement.

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The city's motor deputy and traffic unit will also be patrolling during these windows that

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were identified using our contracted law enforcement hours at or minutes at no extra cost.

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For additional coverage during the peak periods that were identified, supplemental overtime

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has been budgeted for fiscal year 2526.

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Again, this is pending deputy availability as this is not required for the deputies to participate

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in the supplemental overtime.

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While we don't disclose exact schedules publicly of the type of high violation days and times

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that were identified. This information has been shared with the Public Safety Committee,

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subcommittee, and for council members for oversight and transparency.

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For education and community outreach, we're also increasing education to promote safe

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driving behavior. Key efforts include targeting both local and frequent regional drivers through

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tailored messaging, reinforcing posted speed limits, installing speed feedback signs,

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Launching social media campaigns, addressing reckless driving and loud exhausts, placing portable message boards along PV drive east for high visibility safety reminders.

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It's also worth noting that our existing boards are in use for the landslide messaging on PV drive south, so additional rentals will be needed, which are approximately 1100 per board per month.

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Lastly, we will deploy our automated license plate reader trailers, which includes a built-in message board to enhance enforcement visibility.

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On that, we will also be providing quarterly LSD enforcement updates and safety reminders to continue monitoring trends and effectiveness.

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In conclusion, this approach aims to reduce speeding, discourage unsafe driving, and improve overall traffic safety along the switchbacks.

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In closing, staff recommendation this evening is for the City Council to adopt a resolution

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establishing a speed limit for PV drive south from, sorry, for PV drive east from Crest

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to PV drive south.

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Staff recommendation is a 35 mile per hour speed limit for the entire stretch of the roadway.

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And after action study, one year after implementation of all of the approved measures, and this is

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on the basis of the 85% tile speed and the thought that a 10 mile power drop at one time

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for the, for one section of the roadway may not have high compliance as we don't often

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change speed limits in the city and so we want to influence driver behavior with these measures

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to get the prevailing speeds down and then look at another speed limit reduction in the future.

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just again, a reminder of next steps after the City Council action on the speed limit

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if any, that signage can be installed relatively quickly and the last remaining item would

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be the bike lanes as part of the PV drive use to pavement management project.

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And that concludes the presentation this evening.

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Okay, any questions from City Council?

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Council member Peres, thank you, Mayor Peres.

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First, I'd like to thank the captain.

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I've been on her case for the last two council meetings that we need more information data to make an informed decision on this roadway.

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And some of the recommendations were implemented back in May, some of them were before us today.

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And the information was provided in the staff report, the details was very helpful.

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And that's why, that's really why was requested from Councilman Lewis and myself.

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And that's why on an ongoing basis, we would like to continue to have that type of data, because we have to continue to make these important decisions.

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But I want to thank you publicly, because again, we were very hard on you in making this request, so we appreciate it greatly.

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Respect comments, I think I'll wait until I have to the public hearing, and then go from there.

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Thank you, Mayor Paten.

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Okay, any other questions?

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Got it, Council Member.

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I have a couple comments, too.

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comments. Mr. speakers. Mayor Bradley, do you have any questions?

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No question at this time.

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Got it. Okay, let's move on to speakers in. First speaker please.

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Our first speaker is Mickey Shibayama.

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00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:17,660
That's fine.

449
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,740
We'll do the next person and come back.

450
00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:28,640
Our next speaker then is Eva Albuja.

451
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:32,980
Eva you there?

452
00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:38,280
Is Eva online?

453
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:50,700
issues. Hi. Good evening, Mayor Patel, Sal, and Mayor Bradley and Council and staff. I drive

454
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:59,760
this road, PV Drive East daily up and down due to the last slide. And one behavior that has

455
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,800
We've not been discussed is having those pernounce for people to look at the view, which is really nice to have, has become an attraction for drivers to sit there on weekends and film cars going up and down. So they'll get a set of group, groupies of, let's say, 10 hot cars. And they purposely, purposely speed down and up.

456
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:36,520
the switchbacks so they can get video for posting it, maybe in social media, whatever they like to do.

457
00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:38,420
And it's a real danger.

458
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:48,880
I have called it in various times to complain about it because they do reach high speeds when they are filming.

459
00:45:49,960 --> 00:46:10,640
One time I was driving down, they were doing that, and there was a kid that was about 10 years old, climbing the side of the hillside, trying to do, I don't know why the kids were climbing, but they were going through the trails on a curb, a blind curve, and the kid fell, and luckily I had enough space not to hit the kid.

460
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:28,740
But you're talking about kids climbing on trails, you're having speedsters and videotaping what I'm asking is that they do not have that much time to sit there on those turnabouts and gather around to film and speed.

461
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:37,180
So something has to be done with those turnabouts because it is an attraction during the weekend for drinking and filming.

462
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:37,940
Thank you.

463
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:37,980
Yes.

464
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:39,880
Thank you.

465
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:42,080
I heard the speakers.

466
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,120
They're trying to reach out just in case she didn't come to his park.

467
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:46,660
Okay.

468
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,220
But so far no contact.

469
00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:52,480
What we can do is we can move on to deliberations in which it comes in.

470
00:46:52,540 --> 00:46:53,500
We can have her speak.

471
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:54,380
Sounds good.

472
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:54,760
Thank you.

473
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:55,280
Okay.

474
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,260
All right.

475
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,240
I'll open the floor up for deliberations.

476
00:47:00,180 --> 00:47:01,020
Council Member Lewis.

477
00:47:01,740 --> 00:47:02,020
Couple.

478
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:04,320
Just a brief question, Ramsey.

479
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:07,400
You alluded to this being a potential two step.

480
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,980
I think I know the answer to this.

481
00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:20,680
The corresponding speed limit on PV East on the other side of the hill going down towards PV North is 30, right?

482
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:21,880
Whereas at 35.

483
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,520
I actually have to look that up.

484
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:33,280
Okay, and I think what we're talking about here is to lower the sections now that are 40 down to 35.

485
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:35,320
That's what's on the table tonight.

486
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:36,540
Right.

487
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:38,240
Yes, or to 30.

488
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:44,440
Or to 30, okay, can you, I didn't see on your map any sections that were 30 day?

489
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:45,680
Missile?

490
00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:46,700
No.

491
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:47,160
I'm sorry.

492
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:54,500
What I meant to say is that what you're considering this evening is reducing the speed limit from 40 to 35 or to 30.

493
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,120
Oh, I'm sorry.

494
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:56,940
And both options tonight.

495
00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:57,420
Okay.

496
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,080
Yes, understood.

497
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:58,520
Okay.

498
00:47:58,580 --> 00:47:58,920
Thank you.

499
00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:05,660
Yeah, the staff recommendation is 35, but as an alternative, you can consider 30.

500
00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:12,480
Right, because I think I think 100% sure, but I think PVE's on the other side of the hill is 30.

501
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,680
In its acute switchbacks.

502
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:17,280
No?

503
00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:18,260
No.

504
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,220
On the reservoir side, I don't believe that's true.

505
00:48:21,980 --> 00:48:22,720
Councilman, please.

506
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,040
I could be wrong.

507
00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:25,400
I'm not 100% sure.

508
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:26,080
Okay.

509
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,560
Thank you.

510
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,960
I'm going to map it and see.

511
00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:34,150
Council Member Perram.

512
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:34,770
Thank you.

513
00:48:34,990 --> 00:48:35,870
I have three questions.

514
00:48:36,610 --> 00:48:38,830
First is speed

515
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:41,450
enforcement.

516
00:48:42,610 --> 00:48:45,390
And I don't know if it's addressed to Bill or to Ramsey.

517
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:50,050
If I'm going to take the example of out here in front of Hawthorne,

518
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:55,230
where we have on Southbound at Ryan Park,

519
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:58,870
we have a speed limit in this segment from Crest.

520
00:48:58,870 --> 00:49:06,370
I believe all the way down or close to the PV drive south slash west there is a 45 but we have signage

521
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:08,010
that says

522
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:13,090
30 miles an hour in bright orange with lights going on and

523
00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:22,090
Very very loudly very very strongly saying 30 and then it measures with a a feedback of what your actual speed is

524
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:23,150
is

525
00:49:23,810 --> 00:49:28,850
That sign enforceable at 30 miles an hour or is the speed limit for the

526
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:33,610
That whole segment of road may 45 and only enforceable of 45.

527
00:49:35,950 --> 00:49:38,570
That sign does not represent the speed limit.

528
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:41,430
That sign is an advisory sign to motorists.

529
00:49:42,190 --> 00:49:43,870
So it does not change the speed limit.

530
00:49:44,490 --> 00:49:44,610
Okay.

531
00:49:44,850 --> 00:49:48,290
So it's not enforceable no matter what we say.

532
00:49:48,990 --> 00:49:49,690
And that-

533
00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:50,070
Yes.

534
00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:53,090
45 is not something that a ticket can be issued for or a citation.

535
00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:54,250
Thank you.

536
00:49:54,250 --> 00:50:04,090
The final question on that is, do we know if that sign has been effective in that segment

537
00:50:04,090 --> 00:50:10,730
of the roadway on Hawthorne, basically north of Valin, because that was the purpose of

538
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:14,110
putting that into effect, and then it goes back to 45 miles an hour.

539
00:50:14,430 --> 00:50:19,750
Do we have any measurement of that, of the effectiveness, even though we can't do actual enforcement

540
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:22,790
by speed, have we no results on that?

541
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:34,770
We have seen a reduction in collisions in that segment, and it's probably time for us to do another speed measurement to see what the change is in actual 85% outspeeds there.

542
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:46,650
Okay, so would you be comfortable in saying we met the purpose of reducing or having that sign there that that very prominent loud sign?

543
00:50:46,650 --> 00:50:52,050
30? Yes. And that's the same type of sign that's being recommended on PV drive east.

544
00:50:52,530 --> 00:50:58,030
That's the same sign that we're talking about on PV drive east, southbound, north of

545
00:50:58,030 --> 00:51:05,330
between Crest and Bernardo. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you.

546
00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:10,470
Third question is the bike lane and I know that the bike lane discussion whether we approve

547
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:33,570
or the council majority approve that, and I'm supportive of that as well, that that's deferred at the moment because of some major work that's going to occur, either the next fiscal year or the fiscal year after that, of the rearranging of where that by crosses out from Grenado and then transitions into the switchbacks, is that correct?

548
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:39,870
Yes, so that by clean will be included in a pavement project that is part of this fiscal year's budget,

549
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:44,450
CIP budget and part of this fiscal year, it's currently under design, the pavement project,

550
00:51:44,610 --> 00:51:47,310
it's under design, it's that'll be inserted as part of that overall project.

551
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:49,790
And that's just to avoid re-work coming back and re-do it.

552
00:51:50,050 --> 00:51:54,290
Okay, I'm going to go back, that's my set up to to ask this next question.

553
00:51:55,290 --> 00:52:01,510
What's the cost of that? So, if we chose to implement that sooner rather than later,

554
00:52:02,730 --> 00:52:05,330
I'm not an engineer, it looks like a paint job to me.

555
00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:08,170
You're going to reroute the bicycle lane there.

556
00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:11,490
The engineering work will be done, it's being done now.

557
00:52:12,010 --> 00:52:16,090
What would it take if we had to do the rework, but we could get the job done a year or two faster?

558
00:52:16,270 --> 00:52:18,570
What would be the cost of the city on that, if you have a sense of that?

559
00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:20,510
Yeah, and I will look that up here.

560
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:22,590
We had it included in the last staff report.

561
00:52:22,650 --> 00:52:25,090
I don't remember it off the top of my head, but I'll look it right up.

562
00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:27,010
Okay, great, thank you.

563
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:27,890
Thank you, Mayor Pjolene.

564
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:31,390
Thank you, Councilmember Ferraro.

565
00:52:31,550 --> 00:52:31,910
Do you have anything?

566
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:43,370
Yes, I just wanted to make a comment about the speed because I live there.

567
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:52,270
I live so near there that I'm constantly up and down the hill and I tried very hard

568
00:52:52,270 --> 00:52:58,950
to stick to the speed limits that we were going to change it to.

569
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,230
And I don't really see a problem with it.

570
00:53:02,330 --> 00:53:10,710
It doesn't slow down the traffic too much, but it does slow down somewhat.

571
00:53:11,330 --> 00:53:16,910
And I think it's a good compromise, not to go to 30, but to go to 35.

572
00:53:19,710 --> 00:53:22,050
and I think it will help.

573
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:27,270
I don't know if they think that it helped

574
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:30,950
to have enforcement on there a lot,

575
00:53:31,330 --> 00:53:34,250
but I think it did slow down a few people.

576
00:53:36,210 --> 00:53:41,430
And sometimes on the weekends we get visitors

577
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:45,510
that are not familiar with our area at all.

578
00:53:48,270 --> 00:54:01,310
and we don't really have, I think, enough enforcement on the weekend, so if we can do a little bit more of that, it might help as well.

579
00:54:03,260 --> 00:54:09,520
That's it. I think this is a good thing to reduce the speed to 35.

580
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,260
Okay, thank you very much. Mayor Brodley.

581
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:19,960
Yeah, a couple questions of staff. Ramsey, how long has the current speed limit between

582
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,000
crest and PV drive south been at 40 miles an hour?

583
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:27,050
Since 2014.

584
00:54:29,860 --> 00:54:41,760
Okay, so over 10 years. Now, is there any data that says that 40 miles an hour is an unsafe

585
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,700
safe speed going down that stretcher road?

586
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:55,160
No, I wouldn't say that there's data that says 40 miles per hour is an unsafe speed.

587
00:54:56,740 --> 00:54:56,920
Okay.

588
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:05,200
Now I'm going to opine a little bit that what I think we have here, and I think I said

589
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:12,440
this last time, is an issue of enforcement that we've had some folks that have blatantly

590
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:19,800
disregarded the 40-mile-an-hour speed limit. It could have been, you know, I mean, it's just been

591
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:26,860
disregarded. I think with the recent enforcement we've had, increased enforcement with our sheriff's

592
00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:34,400
partners, we've seen a drastic reduction in the amount of speeding along there. I don't know that

593
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:41,580
just reducing the speed limit is going to help those folks that are disregarding the 40-mile-an-hour

594
00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:47,560
speed limit, if we just lowered, that's not going to solve the problem. I think the problem

595
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:54,920
has been the blatant disregard of the current set speed line. I don't think just dropping

596
00:55:54,920 --> 00:56:01,640
the speed limit is going to change anything. I think 40 miles an hour is not an unreasonable

597
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:08,220
speed for the stretch of road from Crest down to PV Drive South. I'm in favor of keeping

598
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:24,840
the current speed limit, but continuing to have additional focus on speed limits on some of our high thoroughfare and high excessive speed areas to keep the people in check and to enforce the current loss.

599
00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:27,780
Thank you, Mayor Bradley.

600
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:35,060
Yeah, I'm just going to weigh in a little bit too because I think, you know, Mayor Bradley and I are on the same page in terms of enforcement.

601
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:40,260
And I know the Sheriff's Department has been doing a great job in enforcing it.

602
00:56:40,340 --> 00:56:45,380
We did a 30-day study period or an enforcement period to see exactly what happened.

603
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:51,880
You know, we saw some data from the Public Safety Subcommittee in regards to when the citations were actually issued.

604
00:56:52,540 --> 00:57:00,320
And to me, based on all the complaints and things that we were getting from our neighbors about the race,

605
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:06,080
seeing about the speeding, about the loitering, and whatnot, those, I believe the hours in

606
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:11,600
terms of what we were talking about were after hours, nighttime, you know, 1 a.m. 2 a.m. and

607
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:17,240
things like that. When we looked at the data, the data didn't reflect that. Very minimal. The bulk

608
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:23,160
of the time frame for these citations happened during commuting. So, in my opinion, there was unintended

609
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:28,860
consequences of our enforcement. And, you know, for me at least, we basically targeted people that

610
00:57:28,860 --> 00:57:33,500
going to work or dropping out their kids to school or going up back and forth and stuff like that.

611
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:37,620
So in my opinion, what we were looking at and what people were complaining about,

612
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:45,100
then enforcement didn't cover that. Now, granted there were numbers that ticked up and there's

613
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:50,460
single digit enforcement citations on that specific timeframes that we did talk about, but it wasn't

614
00:57:50,460 --> 00:57:58,620
what we were expecting in my opinion. And I think in regards to the mile per hour that we have there,

615
00:57:58,860 --> 00:58:01,820
I think it's more of a behavioral issue, more than anything else.

616
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,220
I think it is an enforcement issue, and I think we need to make sure that our speed management

617
00:58:06,220 --> 00:58:09,360
plan and the education of it is robust.

618
00:58:11,060 --> 00:58:17,020
And we need to keep on enforcing and make sure that we're out there, you know, tapping down

619
00:58:17,020 --> 00:58:21,820
on the speeds and making sure we have presence to actually show people that we do have a presence

620
00:58:21,820 --> 00:58:25,960
out there to keep them from doing what they're doing before regarding the complaints.

621
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:34,280
So going forward, what I like to see is making sure that we do consistent enforcement as much as we possibly can.

622
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:38,200
I know you guys can't say a date or in time frame. I know you guys have been doing an excellent job.

623
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,520
So based on the resource that we have, I just want to see that we're consistently doing it.

624
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,460
Make sure that we affect behavior more than anything else.

625
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:52,800
I really don't think, you know, based on citations that we're given, I don't think the speed limit's really going to make a difference in my opinion.

626
00:58:54,780 --> 00:58:59,340
Now that we did get the complaint from the neighbors and the staff recommendation based

627
00:58:59,340 --> 00:59:04,120
on the study that we did, the recommendation is 35 miles per hour.

628
00:59:04,340 --> 00:59:08,580
So, you know, for me at this juncture, I'm going to agree with the staff recommendation.

629
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,880
But in my opinion, the issue that we have is behavioral.

630
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:18,220
And what I would recommend to staff is that we stay on the enforcement, talk with LASD to

631
00:59:18,220 --> 00:59:21,040
make sure that there is consistent enforcement along that road.

632
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:27,680
We keep on monitoring it and we do get complaints about it, we're on it pretty quickly to ask to affect the behavior of the area.

633
00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:31,860
So that's where I stand with the issue today.

634
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,460
Any other statements? Yes, Councilmember Perstant?

635
00:59:36,620 --> 00:59:44,580
I just want to clarify a clarification, but I think there was a statement made that the speed limit is 40 miles an hour from Crest Road to PV Drive South.

636
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:45,900
That's not correct.

637
00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:52,340
In fact, the speed limit is 35 miles an hour from Crest Road to a top of the switchbacks

638
00:59:52,340 --> 00:59:58,480
and from the switchbacks proceeding south to PV drive south, that's 40 miles an hour.

639
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,960
So, there's a distinct-

640
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:26,440
There, amongst the upper part of that, the subject area, and the lower part, the switchbacks. So, when we're talking about 35, top the bottom, or 40, top the bottom, we have to, we have to take that into consideration. There's two different speed limits already in that location. Is that correct? Is that something that's a verify that? I apologize. I think you are correct, Council Member Bishop. I said from crest to the bottom. You're right, it does change. Council Member Lewis.

641
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,060
Yes, I real quick, I think, you know.

642
01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:38,880
I'll just open quickly and state my view, which is that I agree with Council Member Farrow.

643
01:00:39,020 --> 01:00:42,040
I'm in favor of reducing the speed limit on the section of road.

644
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:48,100
I, both Mayor Bradley and Mayor Pro Tem, so I think you may be right.

645
01:00:48,260 --> 01:00:53,140
I'm not sure that lowering the speed limit is going to have a direct cause and effect on driver behavior.

646
01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:57,140
It'll have some, but probably enforcement issues also are a part of it.

647
01:00:57,140 --> 01:01:04,780
but I think for other reasons we should do this and if you're all right in my flawed memory of

648
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:10,300
PV East on the other side of the hill, if you guys have it right, I think there's a virtue in us

649
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:15,820
handling similar situations similarly. And so I think the speed limit should be on the switchbacks

650
01:01:15,820 --> 01:01:20,920
should be on the same and both sets of switchbacks and that's why if it's 35 on the north side,

651
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:24,140
we should have a 35 on the south side too. So I'm in favor of it.

652
01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:27,880
So, Councilman Lewis, I just want me to pine a little bit on that.

653
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:34,780
There is a difference in the topology between the north side and the south side.

654
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:41,920
There are driveways and street inferences, and people turning left and turning right

655
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:49,660
on the north side where there isn't, once you get past Granado and you're going down on

656
01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:50,220
the switchbacks.

657
01:01:50,220 --> 01:02:04,100
I think that was the original reason why there was a difference through there because there weren't people turning out onto the turning left and right and no driveways, so there is a difference.

658
01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:16,480
It's a fair point, I mean, there's, I didn't say there were identical situations, but I think I said similar, and I think we've heard from the neighbors in the community that there's people on foot, there's people on bikes.

659
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,940
And so, while there's not driveways and cars pulling out of driveways is a distraction.

660
01:02:21,940 --> 01:02:32,800
There are other safety distractions on this similarly narrow road, a similarly steep hill, with similarly little visibility and so on.

661
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:38,540
So I just think there's virtue in us handling those two situations similarly, that's all.

662
01:02:38,540 --> 01:02:38,540
So,

663
01:02:43,820 --> 01:02:51,660
as a practical matter, you really can't go 40 all the way down the switchbacks because

664
01:02:51,660 --> 01:03:01,600
there are two places where it's pretty much a U-turn, you know, it's down on one side

665
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:02,860
of the other.

666
01:03:02,860 --> 01:03:20,720
And so I don't see that in a way it's going to have a great deal of impact to reduce the speed limit because you're forced to reduce it in those two locations anyway.

667
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:32,440
I have never seen, well, I have seen a few people on bikes, but never any kids playing

668
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:37,900
on the road, and I've lived there almost well more than 30 years, I guess.

669
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:46,160
So I don't think kids playing on the road is a real concern.

670
01:03:47,040 --> 01:04:00,440
But I do think, I mean I drove this the other day watching my speed limit to see and simulate

671
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,660
what exactly we were going to ask people to do.

672
01:04:05,420 --> 01:04:12,480
And I think reducing it to 35, it's a good thing to do.

673
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:21,500
If we want to, you know, it will help slow down a little bit and help people get used

674
01:04:21,500 --> 01:04:22,000
to it.

675
01:04:22,060 --> 01:04:28,100
And if we can get a little more enforcement for a period of time, that would be good too.

676
01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:32,020
But I know that that's problematic at best.

677
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:37,740
But still I think it's important to have more consistency.

678
01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:45,460
And so just to say, to reduce it to 35, makes it consistent all the way down.

679
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:48,700
And maybe that'll help.

680
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:50,340
You know?

681
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:52,860
Council Member Peres, that.

682
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:53,280
Okay.

683
01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:53,620
Thank you.

684
01:04:53,840 --> 01:05:00,440
Just to add one more layer or wrinkle on to this, that I'm going to separate the southbound

685
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:29,940
from Crest to Mr. Delmar, Leonardo, and then the switchbacks, that I think if we use the parallel of Hawthorne Boulevard with the speed limits 45, and we have loud signage that it's 30, and if we take that to the Crest down to Mr. Delmar intersection before we get the switchbacks and have that same loudness and feedback at 30, then I think that would be effective.

686
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:33,820
And at least on a temporary basis, maybe for a year, we can take a look at doing that.

687
01:05:34,220 --> 01:05:41,540
And then, regarding the switchbacks, that's a separate issue of, I agree with the staff recommendation there on that part.

688
01:05:41,700 --> 01:05:46,980
So it would all be 35, except for, and the speed limit actually would not change.

689
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:55,400
It would be signage, orange signage that says 30, which are in place today, south of Castellina.

690
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:06,360
Yeah, we already have a sign in orange saying 30, reinforcement of that a little louder further south before we get to the intersection of Grenado, I would be happy with that then.

691
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:07,600
Thank you.

692
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:08,620
Mayor Bradley.

693
01:06:08,740 --> 01:06:11,860
I really don't want to see louder enforcement signs.

694
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,700
I mean, I think they would be tacky.

695
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:23,500
So, Mayor Bradley, I would just go to make a motion.

696
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,200
Before that, Mayor Bradley, give me one second, R.I. wanted to say something.

697
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,100
Right. I just wanted to clarify for the council's benefit. I think what council member

698
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:38,020
Paris-Stem is saying is, if you adjust this bead limit, the white signs are the regulatory

699
01:06:38,020 --> 01:06:45,240
signs. The yellow signs, which you're describing as the loud signs, are the advisory that you're

700
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:53,280
being advised to drive 30 miles per hour, but it's not an enforceable bead limit. So that's

701
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,120
I think that's the distinct difference.

702
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,100
It's enforceable under the portion of the code, I believe.

703
01:07:00,660 --> 01:07:01,880
I don't know if the captain is there,

704
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:05,500
but under the code that you're bound to drive

705
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:07,580
at a safe speed for the road conditions.

706
01:07:08,260 --> 01:07:12,800
And those are advisory saying coming into the hairpin curve,

707
01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:18,760
it is advisable to reduce your speed to a safe speed amount.

708
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,480
safe speed amount?

709
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,520
Is I believe how the code reads? Is that correct, Captain? Is she there?

710
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:29,440
Yes, she's there. Yes, Sam.

711
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:32,520
Got him, girl. That is correct. Thank you.

712
01:07:35,110 --> 01:07:37,910
So, it is quasi-enforceable,

713
01:07:38,310 --> 01:07:46,770
Councilman Parrisam, under the heading of your bound to do drive at a safe speed for the road conditions.

714
01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:52,350
There's a maximum speed limit, but if it's unsafe, you can't drive the speed limit.

715
01:07:52,830 --> 01:07:56,030
If it's icy, if it's rainy, you know, whatever it is,

716
01:07:58,670 --> 01:07:59,730
does that make sense?

717
01:08:02,140 --> 01:08:03,400
So I'd like to make a motion.

718
01:08:03,540 --> 01:08:11,340
I'd like to make the motion that we continue to focus on enforcement, but we do not change

719
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:12,000
the speed limit.

720
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,420
We continue to keep the speed limit.

721
01:08:14,420 --> 01:08:20,640
At the upper part, should a PV drive east from Crest down to the top of the switchbacks

722
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:28,660
where it changes to 40, leave it at 40, I do like the idea of Councilman Paris-Jams suggestion

723
01:08:29,010 --> 01:08:39,480
of putting a couple more advisory signs on there towards the really steep or the drastic

724
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:47,660
changes and add additional signage for advisory going into those curves, but maintain the current speed limits, but continue to focus on enforcement.

725
01:08:48,440 --> 01:08:50,540
Is there a second for the mayor's motion?

726
01:08:55,650 --> 01:08:56,830
No second, mayor.

727
01:08:59,210 --> 01:09:01,990
All right, at this point the motion fails.

728
01:09:03,230 --> 01:09:11,710
Let me just clarify some issues here. When it comes to what we want to do with this, it comes down to public safety.

729
01:09:11,710 --> 01:09:17,330
and everybody wants to make sure that there are no accidents in people in injuries as well as fatalities.

730
01:09:18,130 --> 01:09:25,630
Now, with the speed limit some cells, I know we've talked extensively about it and about, you know, dropping it down to 30,

731
01:09:25,850 --> 01:09:33,230
I suppose the 35 and 40 and currently what it's at. I know a lot of folks in neighborhood wanted to drop down to 30.

732
01:09:33,930 --> 01:09:37,930
But in my opinion, you know, based on what we've seen and data that's been collected, it hasn't.

733
01:09:37,930 --> 01:09:40,930
And in my opinion, it really does not matter when it comes to speed limit.

734
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:44,590
It's the actual enforcement like we keep saying, and if we don't do the enforcement and

735
01:09:44,590 --> 01:09:46,610
we're not consistent, we're not going to get the same results.

736
01:09:47,630 --> 01:09:57,010
So at this point, I think a good, I guess, compromise solution for tonight's purposes is to

737
01:09:57,010 --> 01:10:04,530
recommend the staff recommendation, but to add number six to increase the signage that

738
01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:10,550
that customer repairs and wanted and the other part too would be to direct staff to make

739
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:14,810
sure that we actually take in the data that we need because one thing that I think we

740
01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:19,770
lack is the implementation and the data collecting to make sure that we're actually implementing

741
01:10:19,770 --> 01:10:25,110
and changing the situation and so I'd like to see that more instead of a year, I'd like

742
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:32,610
to see that in six months. So at this point I'd make the motion for staff recommendation

743
01:10:32,610 --> 01:10:43,990
recommendation, one through five, plus the addition of six to increase signage, and then seven to come back in six months, I suppose a year to see if we're actually doing the, or implementing the solutions that we want it.

744
01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:45,470
Second.

745
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:50,180
Roll call, please.

746
01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:52,200
Council Member Ferraro.

747
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:52,900
Yes.

748
01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:54,420
Council Member Lewis.

749
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:55,300
Yes.

750
01:10:55,980 --> 01:10:57,060
Council Member Peristam.

751
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:57,520
Yes.

752
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:58,820
Mayor Pro Temsale.

753
01:10:59,000 --> 01:10:59,140
Yes.

754
01:10:59,440 --> 01:10:59,920
Mayor Bradley.

755
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:00,960
No.

756
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:02,500
Motion passes.

757
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,420
Would that be removed to item number two?

758
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:06,860
Thank you.

759
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:10,020
Can we get staff report on item number two, please?

760
01:11:10,420 --> 01:11:18,940
Which is the consideration to repeal and replace chapter 15.20 of the Rancho Palos Verde's municipal code on building regulations within the greater Portuguese and landslide complex.

761
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:24,280
Late correspondence was distributed earlier and they do currently have six requests to speak.

762
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:31,200
Yes, and Mayor Pro Tempo, before I hand it over to the community development director, Randy Ford.

763
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,320
So I just want to make some comments on this agenda item.

764
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:42,520
This is not going to be, or is not considered a popular item, but it's an important one.

765
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:49,340
And it's due to change circumstances and in the interest of public health and safety and welfare.

766
01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:53,980
This agenda item before you this evening needs to consider repealing and

767
01:11:53,980 --> 01:12:00,260
placing chapter 1520 of the Ranch of Palsvertis Municipal Code, which is currently titled Landside

768
01:12:00,260 --> 01:12:07,000
Moratorium, and we are dropping the term Landside Moratorium and actually calling it the

769
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:14,440
Greater Portuguese Bend Landside Building Regulations that Brandi is going to describe in greater

770
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:16,780
detail. So I'll hand it over to Brandi.

771
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:24,080
Great. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem and City Council. This agenda item

772
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:30,260
is for the consideration to repeal and replace chapter 15.20 of the Rancho Pals Verde's municipal

773
01:12:30,260 --> 01:12:36,840
code on building regulations within the Greater Portuguese Bend Landslide Complex. The City Council

774
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:44,460
will consider the introduction of the ordinance. If the ordinance is introduced, it will be brought

775
01:12:44,460 --> 01:12:47,660
back to you for adoption at the August 19th meeting.

776
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:55,420
The ancient landslide complex covers approximately two square miles on the South Central portion

777
01:12:55,420 --> 01:12:56,840
of the Palace Verdes Peninsula.

778
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:03,840
In August of 1957, an area in the ancient landslide began to slide the area commonly known

779
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,720
as the Portuguese then landslide.

780
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:13,000
Between January of 1974 and March of 1976, an area also in the ancient landslide began

781
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:18,640
to slide the area commonly known as the Abelone Cove Landslide, both remain active.

782
01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:25,440
On September 5th of 1978, the City Council enacted an urgency ordinance prohibiting the

783
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:30,840
development of property in the ancient landslide area, as it had come to the attention of

784
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:36,060
the City Council that the land identified in the Landslide Moratorium map, which was previously

785
01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:42,800
thought to be stable was susceptible to or experiencing landslide movement at that time.

786
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:49,280
In order to protect the public health safety and welfare, it was necessary for the city

787
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:55,420
to adopt this ordinance. The landslide moratorium has been updated over the years to incorporate

788
01:13:55,420 --> 01:14:01,620
exceptions on a case-by-case basis, but the amount of development has been limited to those exceptions.

789
01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:10,420
In 2005, the City Council adopted interim urgency ordinance number 427U, which halted construction

790
01:14:10,420 --> 01:14:15,900
and issuance of permits on a portion of the Klondike Canyon landslide based on increased

791
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:18,960
movement following an unusually wet winter that year.

792
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:23,960
And this was within parts of the CBU and Portuguese Ben Beach Club neighborhoods.

793
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,180
In

794
01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:34,840
2002, the case of monks versus the city of Rancho Palos Verdez was filed for in-verse

795
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:40,640
condemnation for 16 properties within the landslide moratorium ordinance area.

796
01:14:41,660 --> 01:14:48,920
In 2008, the Court of Appeals in the Monks case concluded that the city's existing Portuguese

797
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:54,280
He's been landslide regulations in Chapter 1520 of the RPV Municipal Code,

798
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,440
constituted a taking of real property and was therefore unlawful.

799
01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:59,960
The Court of Appeal-

800
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,500
Members ordered the city to allow development or compensate the property owners. With limited resources on September 15th of 2009, the city council took the next action necessary to comply with the Court of Appeals decision by adopting ordinance 498 to enact revisions to the landslide, more auditorium ordinance, to allow the development of the monks' plaintiffs' 16 undeveloped lots as an exception category.

801
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:35,380
In compliance with the monk's decision, 12 homes have been constructed on the 16 monks

802
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:38,140
plane of slots within the landslide complex.

803
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:48,860
The historic winter rains of 2022-23, and again in the winter of 23-24, this caused significant

804
01:15:48,860 --> 01:15:53,260
damage to homes, roads, utilities, and other vital infrastructure.

805
01:15:53,260 --> 01:15:59,680
As a result of those, as a result of those 12 monks homes that were constructed,

806
01:15:59,980 --> 01:16:05,020
three have been red tagged, meaning that they are uninhabitable, and one has been yellow tagged,

807
01:16:05,020 --> 01:16:10,820
meaning that portions of the structure may not be habitable, or that the property has sustained significant damage.

808
01:16:11,420 --> 01:16:17,500
A total of five of the monks planted property owners have applied for the city's FEMA voluntary property

809
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:22,440
bioprogram to relocate from the risk of imminent failure of land movement.

810
01:16:23,380 --> 01:16:28,240
So this brings us to the significant change of circumstances in the landslide area driving

811
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,680
the need for these revised regulations.

812
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:39,360
The situation today is different from the circumstances of the initial recorded movement

813
01:16:39,970 --> 01:16:44,420
of the conditions that influence the City Council to adopt the original landslide more

814
01:16:44,420 --> 01:16:51,140
or Torium Ordnance in 1978, and to the state of the landslide at the time of the 2008

815
01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:57,820
monks decision. It is important to note that the courts have recognized the legal doctrine

816
01:16:57,820 --> 01:17:03,640
of changed circumstances, particularly in areas like property law, land use, and environmental

817
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:10,920
regulations. The doctrine acknowledges that circumstances can evolve over time, potentially

818
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,660
actually impacting the legal justification for previously established rules or findings.

819
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:21,480
The documentation of the change circumstances presented in the staff report and

820
01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:29,180
in this presentation was provided by the city's consultant geologist Mike Fipps of Cotton Shires and Associates.

821
01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:33,820
And Mike is available on Zoom for questions after the presentation.

822
01:17:34,980 --> 01:17:42,000
As you're aware, the heavy rainstorms of the winter of 22-23 triggered a historic increase in land movement.

823
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:48,660
This was subsequently exacerbated by similar weather patterns the following winter of 23-24.

824
01:17:49,980 --> 01:18:01,400
On October 3rd of 2023, the city declared a local state of emergency and implemented an urgency ordinance prohibiting all new construction in the Portuguese then landslide complex.

825
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:06,600
The urgency ordinance was submitted to the California Department of Housing and Community

826
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:12,400
Development, or HCD, and they provided a letter of approval on October 6th of 2023.

827
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:18,320
The urgency ordinance provided a moratorium prohibiting construction within the boundaries

828
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,740
of the Greater Portuguese Bend Landslide Complex.

829
01:18:21,620 --> 01:18:27,660
No application for permit has been accepted, considered, or issued for construction on any

830
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:31,940
property within the landslide complex during the period of the urgency ordinance, aside

831
01:18:31,940 --> 01:18:37,480
from those that qualify for an exception. And there are four exception categories. One

832
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:43,300
was for a repair and maintenance. The second was for landslide mitigation measures. The

833
01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:48,360
third was for immediate preservation of public health and safety. And the fourth was construction

834
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:53,100
that the city manager deemed necessary and consistent to be ratified by city council.

835
01:18:53,840 --> 01:19:07,640
The city followed the process for the extensions to the urgency ordinance moratorium extending it through the first full year on November 14th of 2023 and then for an additional 12 month period on September 3rd of 2024.

836
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:15,840
This moratorium has been extended to the maximum two year life and is set to expire on October 2nd of 2025.

837
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,140
In

838
01:19:19,890 --> 01:19:46,850
October of 2022, a year prior to the city council's declaration of a local emergency and the passing of the interim urgency ordinance moratorium, the average land movement velocity based on the GPS survey data published by McGee serving consulting through October of 2022, monitoring period was approximately 0.6 inches per month.

839
01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:49,150
that was in October of 2022.

840
01:19:50,230 --> 01:19:58,090
The rainy season of 22-23 was 193% of an average rainfall season for the area.

841
01:19:58,770 --> 01:20:03,470
As a result, a dramatic acceleration in land movement occurred reaching an average

842
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:08,690
of 3.6 inches per month by October 10 of 2023.

843
01:20:08,690 --> 01:20:13,230
3. Since the adoption of the interim urgency ordinance,

844
01:20:13,370 --> 01:20:19,670
moratorium on October 3rd of 2023, and through the period of the subsequent extensions, the

845
01:20:19,670 --> 01:20:24,490
city geologist has conducted additional field mapping throughout the landslide complex

846
01:20:24,490 --> 01:20:29,110
to document and update the boundary of the major active land movement.

847
01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:35,610
He has also observed conditions at various site-specific locations impacting residential neighborhoods,

848
01:20:35,610 --> 01:20:39,030
public infrastructure and where trails have been impacted.

849
01:20:40,010 --> 01:20:42,910
He reviewed additional survey and rainfall data.

850
01:20:43,530 --> 01:20:49,010
He has participated in weekly meetings of the geology team and the RPB landslide complex

851
01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:49,930
working group.

852
01:20:50,670 --> 01:20:55,910
And he peer reviewed and observed the entire subsurface exploration and instrumentation phase

853
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:59,290
of work in advance of the emergency deep to watering wells.

854
01:21:00,170 --> 01:21:08,070
By March of 2024, the City Geologist had documented a significantly expanded area of major

855
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:13,970
land movement comprising approximately 700 acres, where the prior boundaries of the

856
01:21:13,970 --> 01:21:18,610
historically active landslides within the landslide complex was 380 acres.

857
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:23,390
So the land movement area and the ancient landslide complex is nearly doubled.

858
01:21:24,650 --> 01:21:44,630
At the July 2nd, 2024 City Council meeting, the City Geologist reported that rainfall and the resulting runoff and infiltration into the landslide complex continued to adversely affect the landslide area, causing further acceleration of land movement following back-to-back significant winter rain seasons.

859
01:21:46,650 --> 01:21:53,690
The seasonal rainfall average has been calculated over the past 67 years as measured at the

860
01:21:53,690 --> 01:21:55,650
rolling health fire station rain gauge.

861
01:21:56,370 --> 01:22:02,530
In the winter of 22-23, the rainfall was 193% of the average.

862
01:22:03,230 --> 01:22:10,690
In 23-24, the rainfall total was over 23 inches or approximately 170% of the season average.

863
01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:18,510
On June 25th of 2024, the city geologist's report concluded that the recent land movement

864
01:22:18,510 --> 01:22:24,910
rates or velocities were approximately 9-12 inches per week in the Portuguese-Bandland

865
01:22:24,910 --> 01:22:31,290
slide, 7-11 inches per week in the Abelone Cove landslide, and 2-7 inches per week in

866
01:22:31,290 --> 01:22:32,890
the Clandite Canyon landslide.

867
01:22:33,410 --> 01:22:40,230
And by August 20th of 2024, that landslide update staff report, those land movement rates

868
01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:46,730
This remains steady at approximately 7-11 inches per week in the Abelone Cove, 9-13 inches

869
01:22:46,730 --> 01:22:51,730
per week in Portuguese Bend, and 2-8 inches per week in the Clondite Canyon Landside.

870
01:22:52,450 --> 01:22:58,090
This was described by the city geologist as a significant and unprecedented change in

871
01:22:58,090 --> 01:23:03,270
movement behavior from historical movements of the Portuguese Bend and Abelone Cove Landsides.

872
01:23:04,250 --> 01:23:10,070
The large acceleration of land movement continued to manifest at the ground surface in the

873
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:13,970
form of scarps, fissures, grobins, sinkholes,

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01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:17,890
tensional cracking, shear zones, and thrust features,

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01:23:18,690 --> 01:23:23,190
resulting in enlargement and expansion, widening,

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01:23:23,190 --> 01:23:25,970
or growth of these ground deformation features,

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01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:28,290
depending on the type of feature and location.

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01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,060
The city's deep dewatering well program,

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01:23:33,060 --> 01:23:37,480
along with the dewatering activities by A-clad and K-clad,

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01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:44,060
have been effective at reducing groundwater pore pressures and dramatically slow the land

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01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:45,260
movement in some areas.

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01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:51,800
Horizontal land movement ceased in the Condit Canyon landslide by mid-October of 2024 and

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01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:57,000
decreased significantly in the Portuguese Bend landslide, but has reached an apparent steady

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01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:02,160
state of movement at about 2.76 inches per week.

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01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:09,760
While land movement has decelerated in 2025, the land is still moving up to 3.7 inches per week.

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01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:15,160
That's the equivalent of 16 inches per month in some areas.

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01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:21,440
This current rate is considerably more than the rate when the emergency declaration was instituted

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01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:28,160
in October of 2023, where the movement was at a rate of up to 3.6 inches per month.

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01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:34,160
That means there are significant areas in the landslides still moving three to four times

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01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:39,560
the rate that the land was moving in October of 2023 when the emergency declaration and urgency

891
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,620
ordinance more auditorium were instituted.

892
01:24:42,940 --> 01:24:48,980
Based upon the July and August 2024 field mapping, the total area the active landslide complex

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01:24:48,980 --> 01:24:49,960
had expanded.

894
01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:55,940
The eastern landslide boundary of the Klondike Canyon landslide was manifesting approximately

895
01:24:55,940 --> 01:25:02,360
only 50 feet farther east on admirable drive and 150 feet farther east on exultant drive.

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01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:07,740
However, these boundaries appear to be for the most part except for the eight properties

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01:25:07,740 --> 01:25:13,080
that will be discussed later in my presentation, they seem to be consistent with the historical

898
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:18,840
mapping of the Klondike Canyon landslide and the location of the pre-development drainage

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01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,980
course that is believed to define the Easterly limit of the prehistoric landslide.

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01:25:25,660 --> 01:25:31,140
Also expanded is the Westerly boundary of the active landslide complex in the Abelone

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01:25:31,140 --> 01:25:32,440
Cova landslide area.

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01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:38,760
This has expanded approximately 180 feet farther west at Narcissa Drive and on the York

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01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,840
property at 6,0001 Pous Verdes Drive South.

904
01:25:42,820 --> 01:25:48,360
This new expanded landslide movement was noted to be quickly deforming the Narcissa

905
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:53,080
the drive curve and is the same movement that displaced the administration building at Wayfair's

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01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:59,120
Chapel property and caused major bulging of the parking lot and the chapel building. The Wayfair's

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01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:05,320
chapel property was closed to the public and the chapel itself was dismantled for future relocation.

908
01:26:06,420 --> 01:26:13,200
The Portuguese Ben Beach Club area continued to experience major deformation along C-Wall Road

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01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:20,120
and bulging uplift of up to four to five feet across the beach on an east to west trend.

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01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:26,080
This deformation and uplift were noted to continue offshore into the Portuguese Ben

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01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:32,200
landslide based on major emergence of land in the surf zone and near shore zone at the

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01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,520
south easterly toe of the Portuguese Ben landslide.

913
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:43,760
In this area, the sea floor uplifted above mean sea level as far as 200 to 300 feet south

914
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,640
of the former shore slope of the beach.

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01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:56,620
Roadways, water mains, sewer pipes, gas lines, and electrical power poles have all been

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01:26:56,620 --> 01:26:59,820
impacted by the land movement throughout the land side complex.

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01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:05,580
A more robust description of the impacts of each utility, including water and sewer, was

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01:27:05,580 --> 01:27:12,160
updated in the July 1st, 2025 City Council agenda report, extending the emergency declaration

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01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:19,460
which further explains the change in circumstances. The road conditions on PV drive south across

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01:27:19,460 --> 01:27:26,240
the lower landslide complex continued to be adversely impacted due to the differential rates

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01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:33,080
in land movement. Pavement conditions on PV drive south remain very poor with cracks,

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01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:38,600
Blacks, bumps, fissures, and other irregularities, sometimes forming almost overnight.

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01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:43,820
The rate of movement on heavey drives south is up to four inches per week in certain areas.

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01:27:44,990 --> 01:27:50,740
The city-owned Palace Verdes Drive nature-preserved trail conditions within the landslide complex

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01:27:50,740 --> 01:27:52,120
have continued to worsen.

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01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:59,160
Many of these areas experience landslide-related damage including fissures, rock slides, sinkholes,

927
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,820
unstable trails, and significant erosion.

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01:28:01,820 --> 01:28:07,580
Many locations are almost unrecognizable with little to no trail remaining.

929
01:28:08,260 --> 01:28:19,300
Out of concern for public safety and in consultation with the city geologist, the city manager closed large areas of the preserve consisting of approximately 12 miles of trails.

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01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:31,460
On July 29th of last year, Southern California gas company or so-cal gas shut off gas service to approximately 135 households due to safety concerns.

931
01:28:32,180 --> 01:28:44,840
On July 30th, level last year, Southern California Edison or SCE issued a statement that there has been considerable land movement putting the utilities serving the area and multiple properties at risk.

932
01:28:45,540 --> 01:28:55,160
From July 29th to September 6th of 2024, so Cal Gas shut off natural gas to homes in the landslide area indefinitely.

933
01:28:55,160 --> 01:29:02,440
In the Portuguese Ben Community Association, there were 139 homes, in CVU 34 homes.

934
01:29:03,020 --> 01:29:08,200
The Portuguese Ben Beach Club 24 homes for a total of 197 homes.

935
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:15,220
On August 6th of 2024, the City Council adopted a resolution declaring a state of local

936
01:29:15,220 --> 01:29:21,400
emergency in the Portuguese Ben Community on the grounds of a sudden shortage of energy based

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01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:25,760
on so-called gas shutting off gas service to homes in the landslide complex.

938
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:34,060
Then from August 31st to September 9th of 2024, SCE turned off power to a significant

939
01:29:34,060 --> 01:29:38,020
portion of the landslide area, leaving homes without electricity indefinitely.

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01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:46,480
The Portuguese Ben Community Association, 193 homes in CVU, 30 homes, and the Portuguese

941
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:52,540
he's been beach club 54 homes, that's a total of 277 homes without power.

942
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:59,980
Cox communication also discontinued communication services to 146 homes in the-

943
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,080
The Portuguese Ben Community Association, rendering them without internet or phone service. Although the power and gas have been restored to some, it has not been universally restored. These critical services have not been available to energize city-owned utilities, including the Abelone Cove sewer collection system, as well as the landslide mitigation efforts, such as the deep de-watering wells. These services are continuing to be powered by fuel generators.

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01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:36,040
It is also important to note that any increased acceleration in land movement in the future that

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01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:41,060
is at or near the level that the city experienced last year would likely instigate the energy

946
01:30:41,060 --> 01:30:44,420
providers to revisit de-energization possibilities.

947
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:54,980
With the extreme acceleration in land movement since the initial adoption of the interim urgency

948
01:30:54,980 --> 01:31:00,780
ordinance moratorium in October of 2023, dozens of homes have experienced severe damage.

949
01:31:00,780 --> 01:31:17,780
On October 28th of 2024, the city, FEMA, and Cal OES announced a $42 million voluntary property acquisition by-out program for property owners in the landslide complex whose homes have been damaged or threatened by land movement.

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01:31:18,700 --> 01:31:23,940
The city received 85 applications for the first round of program funding.

951
01:31:23,940 --> 01:31:37,280
Based on voluntary inspections, 21 homes have been red tagged where they are not habitable and 38 have been yellow tagged, where portions of the home may not be habitable and may have experienced damage to structures.

952
01:31:38,440 --> 01:31:46,060
The building official only visited those homes, excuse me, where the owners voluntarily requested an inspection.

953
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:50,940
So, there may be other homes that are in similar condition that have not been inspected

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01:31:50,940 --> 01:31:56,140
or read or yellow tagged, where the threat of life, health and property still exists.

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01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:04,260
As mentioned previously, of the 12 monks' plan of slots that were developed, five of those

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01:32:04,260 --> 01:32:06,440
applied for that FEMA brought by out program.

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01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:12,360
And the point of all of this is that there is still a concern that those lots that had been

958
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:13,980
and previously thought to be stable,

959
01:32:14,260 --> 01:32:15,860
may in fact still be susceptible

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01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,340
to or experiencing current landslide movement,

961
01:32:19,580 --> 01:32:22,860
which was the reasoning for the moratorium back in 1978.

962
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,740
The city's geologist has also expressed

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01:32:26,740 --> 01:32:29,660
that development of a vacant parcel

964
01:32:29,980 --> 01:32:31,780
on the actively moving landslide

965
01:32:31,780 --> 01:32:34,080
generally would have net negative impacts

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01:32:34,460 --> 01:32:36,460
that have the potential to accelerate

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01:32:36,820 --> 01:32:38,700
the already moving landslide,

968
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,660
causing damage to other properties

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01:32:40,660 --> 01:32:46,700
because of the introduction of building loads, grading loads, disturbance due to grading,

970
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:53,640
change in permeable area, resulting in the concentration of runoff from impermeable surfaces

971
01:32:53,640 --> 01:33:00,220
and potential increases to ground water from infiltration of landscape water and storm water.

972
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:06,100
Last August, City Council received an update from the Director of Public Works and

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01:33:06,100 --> 01:33:12,580
the city geologist, the land movement is occurring predominantly on a deeper slip plane that

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01:33:12,580 --> 01:33:18,220
is up to 330 feet below the ground surface, referred to as the Altamera slip plane.

975
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:24,500
And may encompass more than the Portuguese-Benn landslide area, requiring a rethinking of

976
01:33:24,500 --> 01:33:27,280
the mitigation approach on a holistic level.

977
01:33:28,020 --> 01:33:33,820
The ancient Altamera slip plane, which was identified in only a handful of historical

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01:33:33,820 --> 01:33:38,940
boreings underneath the active portuguese bend landslide was never historically documented

979
01:33:38,940 --> 01:33:45,700
is actively moving. The city has gained a more detailed geologic understanding of the expanded

980
01:33:45,700 --> 01:33:53,340
active portion of the landslide complex, now approximately 715 acres, with test bore holes

981
01:33:53,340 --> 01:33:59,960
drilled in 2024 revealing a much deeper plane of land movement than initially understood.

982
01:33:59,960 --> 01:34:06,840
Based on current conditions, it is clear that land movement will be substantially more difficult to mitigate long-term.

983
01:34:08,890 --> 01:34:14,430
This new information about the deeper slip plane and its contribution to the unprecedented land movement

984
01:34:14,430 --> 01:34:21,850
highlights how the general understanding of the landside complex continues to evolve as changes in circumstances arise,

985
01:34:22,450 --> 01:34:26,210
ranging from the weather conditions to landslide evaluation tools.

986
01:34:27,610 --> 01:34:32,110
Landslide movements throughout the ancient landslide complex, outside of the historical

987
01:34:32,110 --> 01:34:37,430
boundaries of the Abelone Cove and Portuguese Bend landslides, previously exhibited low

988
01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:44,750
rates of creep movement in the 11-year monitoring period from 2007 to 2018, for which data are

989
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:45,570
readily available.

990
01:34:46,450 --> 01:34:53,490
By comparison, since October 10, 2022, not even three years, total horizontal land movements

991
01:34:53,490 --> 01:35:02,310
throughout the Altamere Landside Complex has ranged from approximately 27 to 39 feet in most areas

992
01:35:02,790 --> 01:35:08,250
with the exception being approximately 6 to 21 feet of horizontal land movement in the

993
01:35:08,250 --> 01:35:15,430
Clondite Canyon Landslide area. Vertical displacements have ranged from one to 10 feet in most areas over

994
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:21,670
the same period. Measures today have clearly slowed but not stopped the land movement

995
01:35:21,670 --> 01:35:30,510
and proposed landslide regulations are necessary as the active movement can still expand further into the mapped ancient landslide areas

996
01:35:30,510 --> 01:35:39,270
and further weather is unpredictable and we may expect to see more extreme conditions similar to what was experienced in the winters of 2022,

997
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:43,170
22, 23 and winter of 23, 24.

998
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:50,070
The land movement is unprecedented in terms of speed and size, encompassing approximately

999
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:55,250
715 acres of active land movement within the mapped ancient landslide complex.

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01:35:56,130 --> 01:36:02,030
This includes movement on a significantly deeper slide plane that had not been accounted

1001
01:36:02,030 --> 01:36:07,750
for in previous studies, although there are some areas where the landslide mitigation measures

1002
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:12,510
there's have some improvement in some monitoring points currently have no measurable horizontal movement.

1003
01:36:13,010 --> 01:36:16,030
There still may be vertical settling as well.

1004
01:36:16,230 --> 01:36:20,010
The city cannot predict what the impacts will be of future rain events.

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01:36:20,610 --> 01:36:22,950
The underlying geology is the same.

1006
01:36:23,490 --> 01:36:28,390
So the entirety of the landside complex is still susceptible to future movement.

1007
01:36:39,380 --> 01:36:46,140
An interim urgency ordinance that institutes a construction moratorium can only be extended for

1008
01:36:46,140 --> 01:36:51,100
a maximum total of a two-year lifespan, and the current ordinance that extended their

1009
01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:57,560
interim urgency or moratorium for the total of the 24 months is set to expire on October

1010
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:58,760
2nd of this year.

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01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:04,140
As we approach the sunset of the urgency ordinance, the city is required to act.

1012
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:09,260
Since the conditions that require the urgency ordinance are still active, the city needs

1013
01:37:09,260 --> 01:37:14,660
to adopt permanent regulations to address the impacts of the substantial change in circumstances

1014
01:37:14,660 --> 01:37:20,680
of the land movement and the threat to the loss or damage to life, health, property,

1015
01:37:20,900 --> 01:37:25,920
or essential public services. The city council needs to permanently respond to these

1016
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:30,300
conditions that gave the rise to the urgency ordinance, more torment in 2023.

1017
01:37:33,740 --> 01:37:41,000
The ordinance for consideration tonight proposes to repeal the existing chapter 15.2O of the

1018
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:46,820
RPD municipal code and replace it with the new regulations. How the proposed regulations are

1019
01:37:46,820 --> 01:37:51,760
are actually different from the existing landslide moratorium were shown in the track changes

1020
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:57,880
attachment B to the staff report. In summary, new construction of residential structures

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01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:03,200
will not be allowed. It is important to note that any permit for new construction that had

1022
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,540
previously been granted but not acted upon will be revoked.

1023
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:14,500
Residential home additions are prohibited. As are new attached or detached garages and larger

1024
01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:15,680
or accessory structures.

1025
01:38:16,900 --> 01:38:19,760
Following the town hall meeting on July 16th,

1026
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,280
the City Council subcommittee addressed the question

1027
01:38:22,820 --> 01:38:25,660
regarding swimming pools and the regulations now state

1028
01:38:25,660 --> 01:38:28,620
that repair, replacement, or restoration of swimming pools

1029
01:38:28,620 --> 01:38:29,460
is not allowed.

1030
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,240
The allowed exceptions to the prohibition

1031
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:38,500
are the maintenance of existing structures or facilities

1032
01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:41,880
which do not increase the land coverage of those facilities

1033
01:38:42,260 --> 01:38:44,840
or add to the water usage of those facilities.

1034
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:50,220
Replacement repair or restoration including any demolition necessary to

1035
01:38:50,220 --> 01:38:54,360
effectuate that of residential buildings or structures within the same

1036
01:38:54,360 --> 01:39:00,100
square footage. Number of stories and square footage per story, setbacks and

1037
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:04,400
footprint in the same general location on the property so as not to aggravate any

1038
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:10,320
hazardous geological condition. Manufactured homes will be allowed for

1039
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:16,280
replacement. So long as they meet the standards just mentioned regarding setbacks and square footage,

1040
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:24,440
and the other the other standards and the installation would need to meet the building code

1041
01:39:24,440 --> 01:39:30,960
requirements. This is both for when the damage is caused by a geologic hazard or other hazard such as

1042
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:38,200
fire or earthquake. The same general location is the language that was already in the code and it

1043
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:44,440
has been the past practice of the city based on geotechnical review and on rebuilding structures

1044
01:39:44,440 --> 01:39:51,680
that were severely damaged by land movement. Another exception is for minor non-residential structures

1045
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:59,780
such as storage sheds of 320 square feet or less with no foundation. Special uses where it is not

1046
01:39:59,780 --> 01:40:05,240
a change to the structure and is ancillary to the primary use such as permits for keeping large

1047
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:12,460
domestic animals and exotic animals will be an exception, fences, walls, and hedge permits

1048
01:40:12,460 --> 01:40:19,780
that don't involve grading or construction of retaining walls, barns and similar non-habitable

1049
01:40:19,780 --> 01:40:25,480
structures for the sole purpose of housing animals where the facility is not fully enclosed

1050
01:40:25,480 --> 01:40:33,660
on lots that are currently legally developed with a residential structure, the barn shall not exceed

1051
01:40:33,660 --> 01:40:38,920
the maximum roofed area of 1,600 square feet, and it must be demonstrated to the satisfaction

1052
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:45,020
of the geotechnical consultant that the structural and not aggravate the existing situation.

1053
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:53,380
Non-remedial grading up to a cumulative maximum of 50 cubic yards and permanent demolition.

1054
01:40:54,660 --> 01:41:02,560
Additional allowed exceptions that include non-construction activities include environmental studies,

1055
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:09,300
geologic investigations, remedial grading for soil stability and to reduce geotechnical hazards,

1056
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:18,460
lot line adjustments and similar lot mergers, and bringing an existing structure built prior to October 5th of 1978 up to code.

1057
01:41:19,480 --> 01:41:28,640
There is also a process for a land owner to apply for their parcel to be excluded from the landslide regulation area,

1058
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:32,500
yet there are strict submittal criteria and findings to be met.

1059
01:41:33,300 --> 01:41:36,980
Those have remained the same as the existing moratorium language.

1060
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:47,880
To address public safety, the boundaries of the landslide complex will be updated to correspond with the expanded limits of recent land movement.

1061
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:53,620
The city's previous landslide map will be repealed and replaced with this new proposed map.

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01:41:53,620 --> 01:41:54,640
The

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01:41:57,740 --> 01:42:07,420
city's geologist has been mapping the boundary of the prehistoric landslide and the major active land movement areas from 2023 to 2025.

1064
01:42:07,940 --> 01:42:15,440
These have been displayed regularly in the city council staff reports every 60 days as we have continued the emergency declaration.

1065
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:26,640
And those are both outlined in the map on the left. I know this might be a little difficult to see, but the yellow is where the ancient landslide is and the green is where the

1066
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,220
the major active land movement has been.

1067
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:34,400
The proposed map for the new code amendment

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01:42:35,060 --> 01:42:39,160
constitutes the outer boundary of those two areas of the prehistoric landslide

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01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:41,700
and the major active land movement within the city limits.

1070
01:42:42,440 --> 01:42:47,940
It is expected that eight additional properties, seven in CVU and one in beach club will be added

1071
01:42:47,940 --> 01:42:50,340
as shown in the red on these two maps.

1072
01:42:51,420 --> 01:42:55,200
For the lots to be removed, shown in the blue on the map on the right,

1073
01:42:55,200 --> 01:43:08,580
It was determined that these lots south of C-COVE and the Abelone Cove shoreline park that have previously been included are unrelated to the Greater Portuguese Bend Landslide Complex.

1074
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:20,580
Although the bluff area does have young shallow landslides on the face of the bluff, the geologist has confirmed that they are different landslides that are not connected in any way to the ancient landslide.

1075
01:43:20,580 --> 01:43:24,980
and they are for do not need to be included in the greater Portuguese Ben Landside Complex.

1076
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:31,160
There are land use regulations that would restrict the development on those bluffs that address

1077
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:32,720
the conditions of those lots.

1078
01:43:34,020 --> 01:43:40,560
In some cases, the Landside Complex boundary traverses parcels and does not encompass the

1079
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:44,180
entire parcel, especially on these eight additional lots.

1080
01:43:44,180 --> 01:43:51,160
So similar to past practice, it will only be the portion within the landslide complex

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01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:55,460
boundary that would be subject to the proposed landslide regulations in the ordinance.

1082
01:43:55,900 --> 01:44:00,700
So if there's some portion of the lot that is outside of the landslide complex boundary,

1083
01:44:00,900 --> 01:44:04,800
that would not be subjected, subject to the regulations.

1084
01:44:09,090 --> 01:44:15,150
In preparation for these code amendments, the City Council subcommittee met on June 23rd

1085
01:44:15,150 --> 01:44:22,610
in June 25th to discuss draft code revisions to address the change in the circumstances

1086
01:44:22,610 --> 01:44:28,470
and need for permanent regulations. Following a town hall community meeting on this issue,

1087
01:44:28,650 --> 01:44:34,450
the City Council subcommittee met again with staff on July 18th to review the input from

1088
01:44:34,450 --> 01:44:37,950
the public and consider any final amendments to the code revisions.

1089
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:44,550
A courtesy notice was issued on July 10th by publication in the Palis Verde's Peninsula

1090
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:49,530
News and mailed written courtesy notices were sent to property owners within the Proposal

1091
01:44:49,530 --> 01:44:53,070
Landslide Area where the proposed regulations would be applicable.

1092
01:44:53,970 --> 01:44:59,190
The notice was also emailed to the representatives of the Neighborhood Associations with a boundary

1093
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,980
It was potentially expanding. And the July 10th notice informed the residents and the public of the proposed code amendments. It notified them of the town hall community meeting held on July 16th and the Scheduled City Council consideration of these code amendments for tonight. There were approximately 90 members of the public in attendance in virtually at the July 16th town hall.

1094
01:45:28,980 --> 01:45:48,880
The city received 12 public comments that was Attachment K of the staff report from the public in response to the courtesy notice that was issued for the proposed code amendment staff received additional public comments after the TransMiddle of this report, all which have been forward to the City Council as late correspondence.

1095
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:55,300
pursuant to the provisions of the California Environmental Quality Act, it has been determined

1096
01:45:55,300 --> 01:46:00,320
that the proposed code amendment is exempt from CEQA. Generally speaking, the exemption

1097
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:05,480
is because the proposed code amendment is not a project within the meaning of CEQA guidelines.

1098
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:12,520
The code amendment is an action taken to prevent an emergency. The proposed code amendment does

1099
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:18,260
not have the potential to significantly impact the environment. And this code amendment constitutes

1100
01:46:18,260 --> 01:46:20,340
an action to protect the environment.

1101
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:26,340
The references to each of the exemptions can be found in the administrative report for

1102
01:46:26,340 --> 01:46:27,260
this agenda item.

1103
01:46:31,490 --> 01:46:36,530
The staff, the recommended council actions on this slide, I'm not going to read everything

1104
01:46:36,530 --> 01:46:41,110
on it, but the staff recommends that the city council introduce an ordinance repealing chapter

1105
01:46:41,970 --> 01:46:49,270
1520, the moratorium on land use permits of title 15 building and construction of the Rancho

1106
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:53,830
the Palace Verde's municipal code and replacing it with Chapter 1520.

1107
01:46:54,710 --> 01:46:58,830
Greater Portuguese ben landslide complex regulations on land use permits.

1108
01:46:59,710 --> 01:47:04,310
Also, staff recommends that the City Council refer to the Planning Commission for Rebue,

1109
01:47:04,750 --> 01:47:10,870
an ordinance to update references to the amended, the amended Chapter 1520.

1110
01:47:11,550 --> 01:47:18,810
These sections of code, it just references the same Chapter 1520.

1111
01:47:18,810 --> 01:47:26,170
it's just calling it by the former title, so this would be a cleanup, it would be incidental changes, and

1112
01:47:26,170 --> 01:47:32,750
what it would be is the staff is recommending the City Council refer those to the Planning Commission and those within their

1113
01:47:32,750 --> 01:47:34,890
recommendations would come back to City Council.

1114
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:42,810
If the City Council accepts the staff's recommendations, the proposed code amendments will be presented to City Council on

1115
01:47:43,370 --> 01:47:47,850
August 19th for a second reading and adoption on the consent calendar.

1116
01:47:47,850 --> 01:47:52,190
The ordinance would become effective 30 days after adoption.

1117
01:47:52,850 --> 01:47:57,530
The intent is to have the permanent regulations in place prior to the expiration of the current

1118
01:47:57,530 --> 01:48:00,870
urgency ordinance more to him on October 2, 2025.

1119
01:48:01,910 --> 01:48:06,730
If the City Council refers the related code amendments to the planning commission, a public

1120
01:48:06,730 --> 01:48:11,150
hearing of the planning commission will be scheduled and noticed for consideration of those

1121
01:48:11,150 --> 01:48:11,750
code amendments.

1122
01:48:14,710 --> 01:48:20,730
Since these are revisions to the building code section of the Rancho Palace Verde's municipal

1123
01:48:20,730 --> 01:48:23,710
code, this is not technically a public hearing.

1124
01:48:24,350 --> 01:48:30,430
It doesn't require public hearing, but we did, again, issue the courtesy notice to the

1125
01:48:30,430 --> 01:48:32,410
residents that would be impacted.

1126
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,350
This concludes my presentation.

1127
01:48:36,150 --> 01:48:37,890
You can open up for questions.

1128
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:48,030
Again, Mike Fitts of Cotton Shires is available online and we can bring up any of the slides the proposed code amendments or any maps is needed.

1129
01:48:49,070 --> 01:48:51,490
Thank you very much. Are there any questions from Council?

1130
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,120
Council Member Perram.

1131
01:48:55,580 --> 01:48:58,400
Thank you. Just one and it's probably from Mike.

1132
01:48:59,420 --> 01:49:07,380
Could you Mike articulate the criteria you use to include the additional parcels to the eastern edge of the landslide complex?

1133
01:49:16,210 --> 01:49:39,310
Yes, it's based upon two primary items, number one, where is the mapped ancient landslide boundary as mapped by the California Geological Survey, which is the most recent map that any government agency has produced in 2007.

1134
01:49:39,310 --> 01:49:51,570
And then more importantly, it's based on our field observations, our field mapping of ground cracking and evaluation of the GPS monitoring devices.

1135
01:49:52,550 --> 01:50:05,130
I've communicated to city staff and to the council in the past that the eastern boundary is very difficult. It's not well defined.

1136
01:50:05,130 --> 01:50:10,490
And that's because the landslide is sort of hinging off of that boundary.

1137
01:50:10,690 --> 01:50:17,690
And so you end up with a very broad shear zone that covers a pretty wide area,

1138
01:50:18,290 --> 01:50:22,810
whereas in some places you can walk up and there's a clear cut scarpe right in front of you.

1139
01:50:22,910 --> 01:50:24,130
And you say, okay, here's the boundary.

1140
01:50:25,050 --> 01:50:27,130
It's not the case on the eastern boundary.

1141
01:50:27,970 --> 01:50:32,950
And so we really honed in on looking at our field mapping,

1142
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:41,810
the properties that we were able to get on to plus the city streets and mapping in where we see

1143
01:50:42,690 --> 01:50:50,950
landslide related distress and you know where we see I mean there is distress to homes out there

1144
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:57,590
that may not be related to the landsides simply because of the age of the track being in the mid-1950s.

1145
01:50:58,470 --> 01:51:06,830
So, it's primarily based on our field mapping, GPS monitoring data and in some cases,

1146
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:15,870
the CGS ancient landslide boundary, which is outside of the active movement in a couple

1147
01:51:15,870 --> 01:51:16,310
of places.

1148
01:51:17,630 --> 01:51:18,390
Okay.

1149
01:51:19,150 --> 01:51:19,870
Thank you.

1150
01:51:20,290 --> 01:51:20,930
Thank you, Mike.

1151
01:51:22,110 --> 01:51:22,910
Any further questions?

1152
01:51:23,710 --> 01:51:24,770
Mayor Bradley, do you have any questions?

1153
01:51:24,770 --> 01:51:24,930
Questions?

1154
01:51:27,330 --> 01:51:28,790
All right, we'll take our first speaker, please.

1155
01:51:29,670 --> 01:51:31,670
Our first speaker is Ellen Tuberosi.

1156
01:51:33,610 --> 01:51:34,330
Good evening.

1157
01:51:34,910 --> 01:51:35,890
Hi, good evening.

1158
01:51:36,850 --> 01:51:38,390
This is my first time doing this.

1159
01:51:38,570 --> 01:51:38,950
On orders.

1160
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:39,830
Do me a favor.

1161
01:51:39,930 --> 01:51:43,070
Can you grab the mic and just pretty close your mouth so that everybody can hear?

1162
01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:43,790
Yes, I am.

1163
01:51:43,810 --> 01:51:44,630
Perfectly challenged.

1164
01:51:46,130 --> 01:51:53,310
Thank you for having me, Mayor and Mayor Pro Tem and Katie City Councilman.

1165
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:54,730
My name is Ellen.

1166
01:51:54,730 --> 01:52:00,330
And I am a long time resident of Rancho Palos Verde's when my family has deep roots.

1167
01:52:00,690 --> 01:52:04,030
My mother worked alongside Ken Daita to establish this city.

1168
01:52:05,110 --> 01:52:16,910
I'm speaking today of a proposed expansion of the moratorium boundaries on the new construction development of the Landside Zone, which now possibly includes my property.

1169
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:24,570
My primary concern is the safety and well-being of our neighborhood, where my husband and

1170
01:52:24,570 --> 01:52:30,950
When I raised our children and built cherished memories of our community, the day I walked

1171
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:34,230
into our home with the day I learned I was expecting our son.

1172
01:52:35,070 --> 01:52:42,890
This is not just a red box on a map, this is our home, this is our lives, I've lived

1173
01:52:42,890 --> 01:52:45,410
there almost 30 years and see you.

1174
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:52,510
I understand that the state law requires residents to be notified of proposals and changes

1175
01:52:52,510 --> 01:52:58,770
that may impact our properties, unfortunately, I didn't receive a notice about the

1176
01:52:58,770 --> 01:53:05,230
moratorium or the expanded boundaries. After speaking with neighbors, I learned

1177
01:53:05,230 --> 01:53:12,690
that only one out of four houses that I spoke to received a notification about

1178
01:53:12,690 --> 01:53:21,240
the town hall meeting. I was lucky enough to see that on social media, so I was

1179
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:28,600
So I watched and came after I saw that there were houses that were being included.

1180
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:36,200
So I ran over there because the map was clearly unrecognizable if it was my house or not.

1181
01:53:37,260 --> 01:53:43,080
And when I got there, I still couldn't recognize if my house was in the boundary or not.

1182
01:53:43,780 --> 01:53:47,440
And I asked and there were no addresses to be told.

1183
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:54,940
So I left not knowing if I was in or out, which is, as you can imagine, very disassessing,

1184
01:53:57,170 --> 01:53:58,490
excuse me.

1185
01:54:00,370 --> 01:54:09,990
I'm also seeking information about the geological basis and expand in moratorium boundaries, which you have answered a lot of questions.

1186
01:54:13,470 --> 01:54:18,710
In 1997 when we bought our home, or when we were going to buy our home, we conducted

1187
01:54:18,710 --> 01:54:27,630
a thorough look-see with the former geologist, our PV, to make sure we were good, make

1188
01:54:27,630 --> 01:54:32,450
sure that our house was sound, and we were good to go, we weren't in the boundaries.

1189
01:54:33,390 --> 01:54:36,250
And he agreed that we weren't, so we bought our home.

1190
01:54:37,010 --> 01:54:37,710
I

1191
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:46,920
went to the city

1192
01:54:49,290 --> 01:55:08,270
to ask about the geological reports, and I went to building in safety and I said I would really like to see the latest in my neighborhood, and they gave me somebody's report for 2021,

1193
01:55:10,830 --> 01:55:12,190
you know, not helpful.

1194
01:55:14,090 --> 01:55:18,490
It's been a very stressful couple of weeks, as you can imagine.

1195
01:55:19,310 --> 01:55:25,210
My house is nothing like anybody else's house that I have seen in this light.

1196
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:32,150
And I feel like it's got to be a mistake, I just, it's my home.

1197
01:55:34,730 --> 01:55:39,130
And it's a lot, this is a lot, as you can well imagine.

1198
01:55:40,030 --> 01:55:47,870
And I thank you for listening to me and I'm sorry, I went over and I appreciate you being here and I appreciate everything that you have done.

1199
01:55:48,230 --> 01:55:50,350
I know you guys, this is a hard job for you.

1200
01:55:51,170 --> 01:55:58,370
And I always, when I see you on the street or at a function, I always try to thank you for everything.

1201
01:55:59,350 --> 01:56:00,010
Thank you.

1202
01:56:00,190 --> 01:56:00,650
Thank you on.

1203
01:56:00,950 --> 01:56:01,630
Excuse me.

1204
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:06,230
I just wanted to ask you what street are you on?

1205
01:56:07,030 --> 01:56:08,050
I'm on admirable.

1206
01:56:08,710 --> 01:56:08,930
Admiral.

1207
01:56:09,590 --> 01:56:09,890
Okay.

1208
01:56:10,170 --> 01:56:10,630
Thank you.

1209
01:56:10,730 --> 01:56:11,090
Thank you.

1210
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:14,190
Our next speaker is Sherry Hastings.

1211
01:56:15,850 --> 01:56:16,670
Hi, Sherry.

1212
01:56:21,850 --> 01:56:22,670
Thank you all.

1213
01:56:22,910 --> 01:56:28,410
I really want to thank the geologists and the people who have paid the geologist for all the work they've done.

1214
01:56:28,670 --> 01:56:31,150
I 100% agree with a more time extension.

1215
01:56:31,850 --> 01:56:34,150
I'd actually like to see it extended even further.

1216
01:56:34,150 --> 01:56:41,670
In the 1980s, those houses above us on Crest Road were originally supposed to drain into

1217
01:56:41,670 --> 01:56:42,450
Macarrel Canyon.

1218
01:56:42,970 --> 01:56:49,430
The city signed off on those to drain into Alta, Americanian, and that contributed according

1219
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:56,990
to several geologists I talked to about the problem that contributed a lot to the landside

1220
01:56:56,990 --> 01:56:59,610
movement we saw here on Vanderlip, where I live.

1221
01:56:59,610 --> 01:57:04,190
I would like to see the moratorium extended even further so that no further development

1222
01:57:04,190 --> 01:57:05,350
occurs up on Crest Road.

1223
01:57:05,870 --> 01:57:12,050
I would also like to see everybody be required to have rain barrels because my understanding

1224
01:57:12,050 --> 01:57:20,530
of landslides is that they are due to weight and geology and water and that water coming

1225
01:57:20,530 --> 01:57:22,050
down from Crest is even worse for us.

1226
01:57:22,110 --> 01:57:25,630
I'd like to see that moratorium extended up on Crest Road so that no development occurs

1227
01:57:25,630 --> 01:57:30,230
up there that increases the chances of water coming down out to Mericanion.

1228
01:57:30,750 --> 01:57:35,410
I'd like to see everybody in Portuguese spend where I live required to have rain barrels

1229
01:57:35,410 --> 01:57:37,190
so that that water doesn't get into the ground.

1230
01:57:37,710 --> 01:57:41,050
And anything we can do to prevent this from extending further.

1231
01:57:41,390 --> 01:57:41,810
Thank you.

1232
01:57:42,170 --> 01:57:43,090
Thank you very much.

1233
01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:47,550
Our next speaker is Gordon Leone.

1234
01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:52,750
Good evening.

1235
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:53,210
Good evening.

1236
01:57:53,390 --> 01:57:53,770
How are you?

1237
01:57:54,050 --> 01:57:54,330
Good.

1238
01:57:54,330 --> 01:58:04,370
But in general, I'm in favor of normalizing the development code with respect to the landslide.

1239
01:58:04,750 --> 01:58:12,290
And I think that going back to the LME that we had before is a good starting point.

1240
01:58:12,830 --> 01:58:17,150
I do have a few suggestions for this.

1241
01:58:17,150 --> 01:58:24,390
First is, I believe this needs to be treated with a variance process.

1242
01:58:25,610 --> 01:58:31,670
And the variance process should go through the normal, the director first, the planning

1243
01:58:31,670 --> 01:58:35,330
commission, before it burdens the city council.

1244
01:58:36,330 --> 01:58:42,850
Right now the way the documents written, if you want to do anything you have to do an appeal

1245
01:58:42,850 --> 01:58:45,370
under the appeal goes directly to the city council.

1246
01:58:45,370 --> 01:58:54,690
and I think you would be better served by having the planning commission in between that process.

1247
01:58:56,390 --> 01:59:14,850
Next is the concept of same general location. This has been interpreted in the past as plus minus five feet by several directors of the development department.

1248
01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:28,750
In Portuguese bend, we have very large lots, and there are a number of reasons that it makes sense to not be within plus and minus five feet.

1249
01:59:29,830 --> 01:59:35,430
Those would include the general land movement that's taken place over time,

1250
01:59:36,370 --> 01:59:53,610
Fisures that are within the area causing the house needing to move, and so what my suggestion would be would be to strike that language so that we don't get that interpreted as plus and minus five feet.

1251
01:59:56,370 --> 01:59:59,970
I know those are specific suggestions, but I think they would-

1252
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,000
Let me improve the document. Thank you very much. Thank you. Our next speaker is John Colidge.

1253
02:00:15,270 --> 02:00:15,930
Good evening.

1254
02:00:18,910 --> 02:00:40,110
Good evening, everybody. I've been up living up to the O for 50 years now, and some other construction up here, and I own three parcels in this area. I think it was about what, 10 years ago, you had your 35th anniversary at my house. The cottage, Barbara was there, Barbara was there, and the cottage

1255
02:00:40,110 --> 02:00:49,530
is 99 ban on lip, and it's still in one piece as my Rick, a PV engineering said it's like a boat in the ocean.

1256
02:00:50,610 --> 02:00:55,130
Because of the foundation, it didn't do much damage at all to the house.

1257
02:00:55,730 --> 02:00:58,950
Even though we had moving all the way around it, the house is in one piece.

1258
02:00:59,270 --> 02:01:00,790
No cracking, no nothing.

1259
02:01:01,930 --> 02:01:05,870
And then you go 10 feet from there, we have our gigantic creature,

1260
02:01:06,610 --> 02:01:18,750
which is, goes by Sherry's house, Gordon's house, my house, and goes all the way down to Cinnamon, the same Fisher takes, and then two of the houses that are red tagged are on that same Fisher.

1261
02:01:20,050 --> 02:01:32,730
So basically, where the Fisher is is where we're having all the problems, where the Fisher goes through your property, if it goes right through your house, like on Cinnamon, the upper Cinnamon there, you're going to lose the house.

1262
02:01:33,450 --> 02:01:36,930
But if the fisher doesn't go into your house, or goes outside your house,

1263
02:01:37,530 --> 02:01:39,870
your house is, believe it or not, my house is fine.

1264
02:01:40,850 --> 02:01:45,170
And we had, I had to move a 5, 10,000 yards of dirt to fill up that fisher who was so big.

1265
02:01:46,010 --> 02:01:50,790
So I owned that 60, I owned 60, a vandal of which is across the street, which is five acres.

1266
02:01:51,630 --> 02:01:56,070
And we have the fisher go through the top, but the rest of it looks like nothing ever touched it.

1267
02:01:56,810 --> 02:02:01,570
And I don't understand why I can't put a trailer there, I can't do anything with five acres of land.

1268
02:02:02,190 --> 02:02:07,050
which you can drive down there. I'll have to take you down there and show it to you that there's no damage.

1269
02:02:07,570 --> 02:02:13,910
The upper end was damaged on ventilator drive, but from there down there's no sign of any damage.

1270
02:02:14,950 --> 02:02:20,890
So this is ruling about you can't put trailers, you can't put mobile homes, you can't do this, you can't do that.

1271
02:02:21,610 --> 02:02:28,290
I mean, I'm not going to build a house. I just want to put a livable facility there and do some, maybe some farming, do something.

1272
02:02:28,290 --> 02:02:33,350
I got five acres, I could have sold it for 3.5 million before the slide, and now it's worth nothing.

1273
02:02:34,550 --> 02:02:39,410
So I think you can't be so stringent, I think you're going to look at every parcel individually.

1274
02:02:40,170 --> 02:02:45,290
So that if you guys want to drive the sides with me, I'd love to drive sides with the show you what I'm talking about.

1275
02:02:46,030 --> 02:02:52,390
Where the fishers are or where the damage is, outside the fishers, I'll throw it in my house, it's 15 feet away.

1276
02:02:52,810 --> 02:02:56,490
I've got a pool right there with no cracks, I'd love to show it to you.

1277
02:02:56,490 --> 02:03:07,810
Anyway, I don't like that part of your, whatever it is anyway, I'm not happy with it and I hope you will join me sometime and take it right with me.

1278
02:03:08,170 --> 02:03:08,450
Thank you.

1279
02:03:08,910 --> 02:03:09,870
Thank you very much.

1280
02:03:10,710 --> 02:03:11,430
Next speaker.

1281
02:03:11,890 --> 02:03:13,930
Our next speaker is Ben Eilenberg.

1282
02:03:17,570 --> 02:03:18,270
Young Jim.

1283
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:26,680
Ben Canira's.

1284
02:03:32,900 --> 02:03:40,040
Mayor Prattem, he's declined having us moving him over as a panelist so if you like, we can skip ahead and then keep trying with him.

1285
02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:54,300
I think the City Council knows I am the CEO of a number of entities that own properties

1286
02:03:54,300 --> 02:04:01,480
throughout the proposed moratorium region. I have two things that I want to raise. One is

1287
02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:07,080
an issue and then the other is more just a, let's hopefully make sure that the City Council

1288
02:04:07,080 --> 02:04:13,900
has contemplated this. The first issue, the first which is the issue, is I recognize the staff

1289
02:04:13,900 --> 02:04:23,220
has said that this is exempt from CEQA. I respectfully disagree. Because while arguably,

1290
02:04:23,900 --> 02:04:33,280
this is a situation where blocking development will not have a effect on the environment,

1291
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:40,780
And preventing development and preventing people from being able to properly use and maintain

1292
02:04:40,780 --> 02:04:47,000
their properties will eventually lead to light and abandonment of various properties which

1293
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:53,360
actually will have a large environmental impact particularly as various utilities break down.

1294
02:04:54,520 --> 02:05:00,240
So I think that the city is skipping an important step by not being a sequa analysis on this.

1295
02:05:00,240 --> 02:05:09,680
The second is simply as was referenced in the staff report, the prior moratorium led to the

1296
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:16,340
monk's decision, which eventually put the city in the position of either paying for eminent

1297
02:05:16,340 --> 02:05:23,580
domain or inverse condemnation or allowing development. And I think the city is about to open a very,

1298
02:05:23,580 --> 02:05:29,080
very, very large door into its budget by doing the same thing to everybody.

1299
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:36,600
So that is it. I do appreciate that the staff has worked very hard and that the geologist has

1300
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:41,660
worked very hard. I just think that it may be skipping some parts of the analysis. Thank you very

1301
02:05:41,660 --> 02:05:47,680
much. Thank you. Next speaker. Our next speaker is Dr. Kitsong also via Zoom.

1302
02:05:49,650 --> 02:05:50,250
Thank you.

1303
02:05:51,090 --> 02:05:53,150
Are you able to hear me okay?

1304
02:05:53,450 --> 02:05:53,870
I got you.

1305
02:05:54,170 --> 02:05:54,310
Yes.

1306
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:55,230
Okay. Great.

1307
02:05:55,430 --> 02:05:56,150
Thank you very much.

1308
02:05:56,450 --> 02:05:58,010
And I appreciate the opportunity to speak.

1309
02:05:58,150 --> 02:06:06,910
I want to thank city staff for actually doing a very good job with report and also for the public meeting that happened in La Dera Linda.

1310
02:06:06,970 --> 02:06:08,250
I think that was very well run.

1311
02:06:08,910 --> 02:06:10,210
Just a couple of quick comments.

1312
02:06:10,350 --> 02:06:13,890
And I think all of us that are on the western side of.

1313
02:06:13,890 --> 02:06:20,850
Schooner realized that in the future there could be an expansion and a change of the existing land movement.

1314
02:06:21,610 --> 02:06:29,650
I support the idea of the moratorium because the reality is that it's been shown now multiple times that this land movement is not going to stop.

1315
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:40,050
That having been said, I think that as was pointed out earlier, the issue of how variance and also initially for the seven homes in CVU,

1316
02:06:40,050 --> 02:06:45,590
that are currently on the margins. If there is an appeal process based upon the criteria that

1317
02:06:45,590 --> 02:06:51,670
we're used to include them in the area, I think that that should be allowed in this initial stage.

1318
02:06:52,290 --> 02:06:57,670
And then possibly what the criteria would be for reassessment of properties that are along the margins

1319
02:06:57,670 --> 02:07:01,930
for the future that might be able to get them off that could involve, for example,

1320
02:07:02,950 --> 02:07:07,610
voluntary inspections of the home and property. Because I did hear Mike say that they were not able

1321
02:07:07,610 --> 02:07:10,110
to access all of the properties to do a proper assessment.

1322
02:07:10,830 --> 02:07:19,470
So my encouragement here is to consider better detail around issues of variance as put forward

1323
02:07:19,470 --> 02:07:26,750
by Gordon, and then also the issue of initially appeal and then possibly reversal of some

1324
02:07:26,750 --> 02:07:31,710
of the home inclusions on the margins based upon a very specific criteria that the geology

1325
02:07:31,710 --> 02:07:32,730
staff could put out.

1326
02:07:33,250 --> 02:07:33,550
Thank you.

1327
02:07:33,630 --> 02:07:34,050
That's all I have.

1328
02:07:35,290 --> 02:07:36,070
Thank you, kid.

1329
02:07:36,070 --> 02:07:39,690
Our next speaker is Eva Albuja, also via Zoom.

1330
02:07:44,010 --> 02:07:44,410
Hello again.

1331
02:07:45,730 --> 02:07:46,270
Hi again.

1332
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:51,810
Okay, so I do support the auditorium that you just went over.

1333
02:07:53,110 --> 02:07:58,290
We just heard all the destruction and damages of what our

1334
02:07:58,290 --> 02:08:01,910
landslide residents have experienced since October of 2022.

1335
02:08:02,810 --> 02:08:06,930
The landslide victims have not received any aid to make repairs,

1336
02:08:06,930 --> 02:08:15,870
except special financing from SBA loans, which is a tool only available to those who can qualify for the loan.

1337
02:08:16,510 --> 02:08:24,050
I have learned that the city will start charging landslide victims for permits and

1338
02:08:24,050 --> 02:08:27,970
requiring geo-report starting in September of 2025.

1339
02:08:27,970 --> 02:08:38,850
I ask that the city to not charge land sub-slide victims on permits and requiring geo-reports

1340
02:08:38,850 --> 02:08:46,630
on homes that suffered from land-side damages of foundations and other damages to the home

1341
02:08:46,630 --> 02:08:47,670
going forward.

1342
02:08:48,170 --> 02:08:55,750
There are many homes that need repairs to their foundations and other parts of the homes and

1343
02:08:55,750 --> 02:09:03,390
and they should not have to pay permits going forward, or geo-reports if they are trying

1344
02:09:03,390 --> 02:09:07,390
to bait the damages caused from the landslide.

1345
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:15,910
The city needs to help the landslide victims and to keep on waving those permits when they

1346
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:21,590
are repairing their homes that were caused by damages at the landslide.

1347
02:09:21,590 --> 02:09:39,730
I hope that we continue what you have done in the past because, again, the landslide is active and there will be more repairs coming down the line and the victims have not received support financially on anything.

1348
02:09:40,850 --> 02:09:48,790
And so by continuing to help them wave those permit fees and waving the geo reports would be really helpful. Thank you for your time.

1349
02:09:49,370 --> 02:09:51,910
Thank you very much. We have any other speakers?

1350
02:09:52,290 --> 02:09:54,350
We did have a final speaker, Michelle Carbone.

1351
02:09:54,670 --> 02:09:59,790
Staff has tried repeatedly now since the beginning of the item and has not been able to contact her.

1352
02:10:00,070 --> 02:10:07,930
Okay. Then once we do contact her and she chimes in then we'll hear from her but at this point let's move on to council deliberation.

1353
02:10:08,810 --> 02:10:12,390
Anybody want to go first? Council member Perra Stan.

1354
02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:13,890
Thank you, Mayor Tristan.

1355
02:10:14,230 --> 02:10:21,190
A question regarding Shaleon's point about the variance process versus the proposed process that we have.

1356
02:10:23,170 --> 02:10:29,910
Would that potentially help with being able to handle specific properties differently?

1357
02:10:34,020 --> 02:10:39,240
Or I know this isn't an easy, okay, we go down route A versus route B.

1358
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:42,280
There's consequences both ways, I understand that.

1359
02:10:44,380 --> 02:10:49,300
But I'll put you on the spot a little bit to respond to this right now, and this is our bill yourself.

1360
02:10:49,600 --> 02:10:53,720
Anybody wants to try to take this, is this a merit in that process?

1361
02:10:53,800 --> 02:10:54,820
Let me chime in on that.

1362
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:55,180
Okay.

1363
02:10:55,260 --> 02:10:57,980
First of all, the concept of variance is a land use concept.

1364
02:10:58,140 --> 02:10:59,380
This is a building ordinance.

1365
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:07,500
So a variance, the planning commission is not staffed to consider building code issues,

1366
02:11:07,500 --> 02:11:12,340
issues, building code issues, and building regulations are technical issues.

1367
02:11:12,780 --> 02:11:19,540
Second of all, the two-step process going through the planning commission and up to the City

1368
02:11:19,540 --> 02:11:23,020
Council will actually slow the process, not expedite the process.

1369
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:31,640
So what is planned for the ordinance now will allow technical analysis of the issues with

1370
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:38,980
the right to appeal to the full council, that seems to me to be more friendly to the

1371
02:11:38,980 --> 02:11:45,300
property owners that are affected by chapter 1520 than the two step process of or three

1372
02:11:45,300 --> 02:11:51,400
step process requiring director determination planning commissioner view and city council

1373
02:11:51,400 --> 02:11:55,540
review. So I would not support that. I would not recommend that.

1374
02:11:55,540 --> 02:12:03,200
And I would add, for context purposes, the way the code currently reads, as the landside moratorium,

1375
02:12:03,820 --> 02:12:07,320
as the city attorney indicated, it's in the building code section.

1376
02:12:07,480 --> 02:12:10,040
So chapter 15 is the building code.

1377
02:12:10,460 --> 02:12:15,400
When you submit it, when you wanted to use one of the exceptions,

1378
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:19,280
you would go through what's called a landside moratorium exception permit.

1379
02:12:19,660 --> 02:12:24,440
You would demonstrate to the city geologist that what you're proposing

1380
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:30,960
is not going to aggravate the landslide, then we would authorize you to then submit the

1381
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:36,720
planning applications, which is part of the zoning code, which is Title 17. That's

1382
02:12:36,720 --> 02:12:42,300
all being repealed and essentially what's happening is that two-step process remains the

1383
02:12:42,300 --> 02:12:52,460
same. So the exceptions that Brandy went over, you still have to apply to the city and geologists

1384
02:12:52,460 --> 02:12:56,440
that what you want to do, like restoring or repairing your structures,

1385
02:12:56,440 --> 02:13:01,300
not going to aggravate the landslide, then you would be authorized to go through the planning process.

1386
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:08,700
The variance is to seek relief from the zoning code, and this isn't part of the zoning code.

1387
02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:10,680
This is the building code.

1388
02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:16,440
The other thing I would add is, unfortunately, in bygone days, pre-my day,

1389
02:13:17,380 --> 02:13:21,460
there was an unfortunate use of a land use term called moratorium,

1390
02:13:21,460 --> 02:13:24,440
which should never have been used with respect to these regulations.

1391
02:13:25,020 --> 02:13:29,360
That's why we're striking that from our vocabulary when it comes to this code section.

1392
02:13:30,220 --> 02:13:36,880
This never was a moratorium. Moratoriums by their definition are land use regulations that have

1393
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:44,620
temporary lives and this had a permanent life. So it was an unfortunate use of terms we're talking

1394
02:13:44,620 --> 02:13:50,920
about building code regulations. I think the other thing that is worth noting is the

1395
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:58,240
The exclusion portion that the Community Development Director mentioned will be a tool for

1396
02:13:58,240 --> 02:14:02,620
these marginal properties that was spoken of a little bit earlier, that they may be able

1397
02:14:02,620 --> 02:14:06,920
to demonstrate they ought to be excluded from the requirements of 1520.

1398
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:10,680
So there is a remedy there already built into the ordinance.

1399
02:14:11,580 --> 02:14:17,660
With respect to this notion that CEQA should be complied with, that isn't a correct analysis.

1400
02:14:17,660 --> 02:14:23,820
We've dealt with Mr. Islandberg and continued to deal with him in a series of frivolous litigation

1401
02:14:23,820 --> 02:14:29,480
She's he's filed against the city that we've dealt with and we'll continue to deal with so thank you for that

1402
02:14:30,900 --> 02:14:34,460
Thank you mayor pro Tim. Thank you. Any other comments?

1403
02:14:35,660 --> 02:14:37,720
Liberty comments mayor Bradley

1404
02:14:38,580 --> 02:14:41,160
No comments no comments no questions

1405
02:14:41,160 --> 02:14:41,720
Thank you.

1406
02:14:43,530 --> 02:14:44,270
Councilmember Lewis?

1407
02:14:47,450 --> 02:14:48,110
Just real quick.

1408
02:14:48,230 --> 02:14:54,070
I think what we need to really explain in terms of the situation is there is significant

1409
02:14:54,070 --> 02:14:57,230
unprecedented change in circumstances from what we've had before.

1410
02:14:58,070 --> 02:14:59,970
And we're very sensitive about-

1411
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,760
So, you know, the land and the folks that are now included in the zone, and we completely understand it. We've been dealing with it for a long time now. So, we're very sensitive to permitting, to fees, anything that's going to be detrimental to you and the decision process you guys have with your land and houses. Because if we were there, we'd be doing the same thing, too. But what it comes down to, it's public safety and well-being for the people on that land. And for me, at least, we have to make sure that we put this in place so that we do the right thing, too.

1412
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:35,980
but also, what was mentioned is there is an exclusion provision, right, and it's carved out.

1413
02:15:36,280 --> 02:15:42,820
So if you think that based on what we have now, you are excluded, there is a process for that,

1414
02:15:42,940 --> 02:15:45,440
and then there is a carve out for that, and I think that's very important.

1415
02:15:45,620 --> 02:15:48,080
Now, the variance portion was explained by our city attorney.

1416
02:15:48,100 --> 02:15:49,220
I think he did it very well.

1417
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:53,140
But at the same time, what we implemented with the exclusion provision,

1418
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:57,080
make sure that there is a process for landowners and

1419
02:15:57,080 --> 02:16:01,380
and proper and is to actually bring it up to the City Council in an expedited process.

1420
02:16:01,860 --> 02:16:06,800
So based on that and my statements, I'm for the staff recommendation.

1421
02:16:07,460 --> 02:16:13,100
So at this point, if there are no other comments, can I please get a motion on this agenda item?

1422
02:16:13,100 --> 02:16:27,560
I'd like to move to adopt the action number one to replace the current 1520 with the new 1520

1423
02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:34,560
languages has been written and amend 15.0404 of Title 15,

1424
02:16:36,710 --> 02:16:38,110
if I'm saying this right,

1425
02:16:39,050 --> 02:16:47,030
And also amend section 16.40.030, the parts of requirements as stated in the report.

1426
02:16:49,880 --> 02:16:50,740
Is that sufficient?

1427
02:16:52,040 --> 02:16:56,300
Member Lewis does it include recommendation number two?

1428
02:16:57,560 --> 02:17:00,400
Is it to initiate the code amendment proceedings to this?

1429
02:17:00,400 --> 02:17:00,560
Yes.

1430
02:17:01,220 --> 02:17:02,600
So it's staff recommendation.

1431
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:09,240
Yeah, I moved to, in short hand, I moved, I moved to, moved to, uh, advanced staff, staff

1432
02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:12,360
recommendations, one and two. Can I get that in a second? I think that would have been better.

1433
02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:13,980
Yeah. Second.

1434
02:17:14,900 --> 02:17:15,800
Roll call, please.

1435
02:17:18,430 --> 02:17:21,050
Councilmember Lewis? Yes. Councilmember Ferraro?

1436
02:17:21,250 --> 02:17:24,710
Yes. Councilmember Paris-Dan? Yes. Mayor Prutem-Sale?

1437
02:17:24,930 --> 02:17:29,550
Yes. Mayor Bradley? Yes. Motion passes, what that we can move to item number three.

1438
02:17:29,550 --> 02:17:34,750
Consideration to initiate the process to establish a new third Geologic Hazard Amatement District.

1439
02:17:35,370 --> 02:17:37,430
I do have two requests to speak.

1440
02:17:37,590 --> 02:17:44,330
Before we move forward, let's take a 10-minute bio break, we'll take a break and come back at 9.25.

1441
02:17:51,520 --> 02:17:52,400
Next item, please.

1442
02:17:53,340 --> 02:17:54,840
Our next item is item number three.

1443
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:59,880
Consideration to initiate the process to establish a new third Geologic Hazard Amatement District.

1444
02:18:00,980 --> 02:18:03,420
I currently have two requests to speak on this matter.

1445
02:18:03,420 --> 02:18:05,480
Thank you. Can we have the staff before, please?

1446
02:18:05,820 --> 02:18:06,600
Yes, Mr. Mayor.

1447
02:18:06,740 --> 02:18:09,880
Mayor Pro Tem, CEO and members of the City Council.

1448
02:18:10,480 --> 02:18:15,280
So City Attorney and myself are going to present this agenda item this evening and tonight

1449
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:21,380
the Council's being asked to consider initiating the process to form a new geologic hazard abatement

1450
02:18:21,380 --> 02:18:27,880
district, also known as GAD, so if you're referring it to as a GAD, it's the acronym for Geologic

1451
02:18:27,880 --> 02:18:28,920
Hazard Abatement District.

1452
02:18:28,920 --> 02:18:29,880
Oh my God.

1453
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:30,240
Yes.

1454
02:18:30,240 --> 02:18:34,520
So, Nathan's going to be navigating the slide deck here.

1455
02:18:34,660 --> 02:18:39,820
And what I'd like to do is to start off this agenda item.

1456
02:18:39,900 --> 02:18:43,980
I want to read to you what geologic hazard abatement district is.

1457
02:18:44,500 --> 02:18:48,200
Gads are government districts formed for the prevention, mitigation,

1458
02:18:48,900 --> 02:18:55,260
abatement, or control of a geologic hazard, which is defined as an actual or threatened landslide,

1459
02:18:55,260 --> 02:19:02,280
land subsidence, soil erosion, earthquake, fault movement, or any other natural or unnatural

1460
02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:04,660
movement of land or earth.

1461
02:19:05,260 --> 02:19:13,140
Essentially the formation of a dad, based on dad law, which we'll get into, it's a separate

1462
02:19:13,140 --> 02:19:18,800
government entity, so it's not part of an actual city, it's its own separate government entity,

1463
02:19:19,260 --> 02:19:21,760
it's recognized by the state as a government entity.

1464
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:27,040
It enables the entity to conduct improvements to

1465
02:19:27,540 --> 02:19:30,880
abate the conditions of a geologic hazard.

1466
02:19:31,500 --> 02:19:38,820
And it uses assessments of the property owners within the district to pay for

1467
02:19:38,820 --> 02:19:41,320
the improvements that are necessary.

1468
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:45,740
Moving to the next slide, just to give you some context,

1469
02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:51,500
the geologic hazard abatement law was enacted through a legislation that

1470
02:19:51,500 --> 02:20:01,360
That was sponsored and authored by Senator Robert Beverly, who was our Senator back in the late 70s.

1471
02:20:01,660 --> 02:20:03,840
It's through Senate Bill 1195.

1472
02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:07,800
There's a link in the staff report that you could view that legislation.

1473
02:20:08,480 --> 02:20:20,560
But that bill that was proposed in past that it created the geologic hazard abatement district was also assisted in its formation by then council member Ken Dieda.

1474
02:20:20,560 --> 02:20:26,220
And the two first geologic hazard abatement districts in California are in Rancho Palsvers.

1475
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:35,960
In 1981, the Abelante Cove Landside Abatement District was formed and in 1982, the Clondike Canyon Landside Abatement District was formed.

1476
02:20:36,240 --> 02:20:41,800
Since then, there are approximately 55 geologic hazard abatement districts throughout California.

1477
02:20:42,500 --> 02:20:49,700
So moving on to the next slide, what I'd like to do is hand the presentation over to the city attorney who's going to

1478
02:20:49,700 --> 02:20:54,060
to discuss some of the advantages and legalities

1479
02:20:54,060 --> 02:20:56,280
of forming a geologic hazard treatment district.

1480
02:20:57,140 --> 02:20:58,420
Thank you, Mr. City Manager.

1481
02:20:58,820 --> 02:21:00,820
So why would you form a GAD?

1482
02:21:01,260 --> 02:21:03,280
What's the purpose of forming a GAD?

1483
02:21:03,480 --> 02:21:06,740
Well, one of its purposes is to bring expertise to bear

1484
02:21:07,500 --> 02:21:09,280
on a geologic hazard.

1485
02:21:09,900 --> 02:21:14,340
And that expertise, the City Manager will be talking about,

1486
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:17,300
will be reflected in the form of a plan of control

1487
02:21:17,300 --> 02:21:21,320
that will guide the activities of the GAD in the future.

1488
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:26,800
But there are some administrative and legal advantages

1489
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:29,760
to forming a geologic hazardous abatement district.

1490
02:21:30,460 --> 02:21:34,020
First of all, a GAD has borrowing authority under state law.

1491
02:21:34,180 --> 02:21:35,880
We've cited that in the staff report.

1492
02:21:37,260 --> 02:21:41,840
As far as we're aware, neither of our existing GADs have used that option,

1493
02:21:41,980 --> 02:21:43,020
but it is an option.

1494
02:21:43,020 --> 02:21:47,720
but with it comes debt service.

1495
02:21:48,900 --> 02:21:53,640
There is a greater immunity for liability claims

1496
02:21:53,640 --> 02:21:59,140
from the activities of a GAD because a GAD is addressing emergency situations

1497
02:21:59,140 --> 02:22:01,020
in the form of geologic hazards.

1498
02:22:01,980 --> 02:22:08,500
And because GADs are primarily in the business of addressing geologic emergencies,

1499
02:22:08,500 --> 02:22:15,480
the state law forming, authorizing the creation of these geologic hazard

1500
02:22:15,480 --> 02:22:20,820
disabatement districts also exempted them from the requirements of CEQA, and

1501
02:22:20,820 --> 02:22:24,080
exempted them from the public contract code provisions.

1502
02:22:24,940 --> 02:22:29,860
Public contracting code generally requires awarding contracts to the lowest

1503
02:22:29,860 --> 02:22:36,940
responsible bidder, it can be a cumbersome and an expensive process, and

1504
02:22:36,940 --> 02:22:45,460
And GADs are allowed to adopt rules and regulations for their own method and manner of awarding contracts.

1505
02:22:46,500 --> 02:23:01,700
Those advantages make using a GAD more flexible, more limble, and able to respond more rapidly to the geologic hazards they're designed to mitigate.

1506
02:23:01,700 --> 02:23:07,820
Okay. So moving on to the next slide. Geologic hazard

1507
02:23:07,820 --> 02:23:12,820
abatement districts are similar to other districts where you are using assessments

1508
02:23:12,820 --> 02:23:19,480
to generate the revenue needed to conduct the improvements. And so, Proposition 218 applies.

1509
02:23:20,100 --> 02:23:25,040
And what I wanted to just briefly walk the Council and the public through the process

1510
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:30,900
established through Proposition 218, if the Council decides to initiate the formation

1511
02:23:30,900 --> 02:23:32,900
of the geologic hazard abatement district.

1512
02:23:33,500 --> 02:23:40,340
The first and foremost step that needs to happen is hiring an engineer who's going to

1513
02:23:40,340 --> 02:23:42,020
prepare an engineer's report.

1514
02:23:42,340 --> 02:23:49,060
In that engineer's report, they're essentially assessing and evaluating the conditions of

1515
02:23:49,060 --> 02:23:53,860
the alleged geologic hazard and then coming up with a plan of control.

1516
02:23:53,860 --> 02:24:07,220
The plan of control essentially identifies the necessity for conducting the abatement issues for the purposes of public health safety and welfare.

1517
02:24:07,860 --> 02:24:15,380
So that plan of control will outline what would need to happen if this district was formed, and that is the district's charter.

1518
02:24:15,620 --> 02:24:21,100
So in all their actions, they have to heed to the plan of control.

1519
02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:29,440
Once that plan of control and the engineer's report is prepared in this situation, if the council

1520
02:24:29,440 --> 02:24:34,120
initiates this process, what we would do is once that plan of control and engineer's

1521
02:24:34,120 --> 02:24:39,320
report is prepared, we would then conduct a town hall and present that information to

1522
02:24:39,320 --> 02:24:45,340
the public so they understand the content of what's being recommended and what is potentially

1523
02:24:45,340 --> 02:24:50,740
really the basis for forming this third and new geologic hazard abatement district.

1524
02:24:51,300 --> 02:24:55,800
After that, we would come to the City Council, we would have a public hearing where that

1525
02:24:55,800 --> 02:24:59,000
information in the engineer's report would be presented to you.

1526
02:24:59,480 --> 02:25:06,100
At that point, the council can decide the resolution whether they want to initiate the formation

1527
02:25:06,100 --> 02:25:11,800
of this geologic hazard abatement district, and in that case, we would then enter into what's

1528
02:25:11,800 --> 02:25:14,300
considered like a public hearing or a protest hearing,

1529
02:25:14,500 --> 02:25:16,440
pursuant to Proposition 218,

1530
02:25:16,760 --> 02:25:18,620
and that's where we would put out notices

1531
02:25:18,620 --> 02:25:20,280
to all the impacted properties,

1532
02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:26,240
and they would have to submit opposition or objection

1533
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:28,580
to it, protesting the formation

1534
02:25:28,580 --> 02:25:31,160
of the geologic hazard abatement district.

1535
02:25:31,640 --> 02:25:36,500
Typically, in this case, it's based on the assessed valuation.

1536
02:25:36,780 --> 02:25:40,420
It's more than 50% of the properties within the,

1537
02:25:40,420 --> 02:25:48,960
the identified district boundaries oppose or protest then the proceedings would stop at that point.

1538
02:25:49,540 --> 02:25:51,740
So, it all depends on this protest hearing.

1539
02:25:52,500 --> 02:25:56,020
So, what the city is presenting, if we go to the next slide.

1540
02:25:56,660 --> 02:26:03,200
Currently, as I mentioned, we have two geologic hazard abatement districts, one on the west side, one on the east side, and the slide is not showing.

1541
02:26:03,460 --> 02:26:03,920
Oh, it is.

1542
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:10,360
So, you can see in the purple is the light purple is Abelone cove landslide abatement district

1543
02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:16,780
and that the smaller area in dark purple is the Clondite Canyon. In the center piece,

1544
02:26:17,080 --> 02:26:23,920
what was never formed is what's commonly referred to as the Portuguese band landslide and that is

1545
02:26:23,920 --> 02:26:30,020
part of the greater landslide complex which are four subslides that make up the overall area.

1546
02:26:30,020 --> 02:26:37,600
What we are recommending, what staff is recommending for the council's consideration is that we would form a new third

1547
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:40,300
Geologic hazard abatement district in the center piece

1548
02:26:40,300 --> 02:26:46,120
It would be called the Portuguese ban landside abatement district if you go to the next slide a Nathan

1549
02:26:46,700 --> 02:26:55,660
It's approximately 113 properties 90 are private foe privately owned and 23 are public properties

1550
02:26:55,660 --> 02:27:05,940
And so what we're asking the Council's consideration now is if this seems like something that based

1551
02:27:05,940 --> 02:27:12,660
on the advantages of the city attorney described and the process here, if the Council's interested

1552
02:27:12,660 --> 02:27:19,840
in or desires to do this then we would ask that you give staff direction to proceed with the

1553
02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:24,480
initiation of forming a third new geologic hazard abatement district, and that concludes

1554
02:27:24,480 --> 02:27:24,960
the report.

1555
02:27:27,440 --> 02:27:27,880
Speakers.

1556
02:27:30,340 --> 02:27:32,280
Our first speaker is Nikki Nushka.

1557
02:27:33,580 --> 02:27:34,220
Nikki.

1558
02:27:43,230 --> 02:27:43,570
All right.

1559
02:27:43,690 --> 02:27:44,050
Good evening.

1560
02:27:45,570 --> 02:27:52,570
So I've read the staff report on this item, and I've also listened to the city attorney

1561
02:27:52,570 --> 02:27:54,710
and the city manager's briefing on this topic.

1562
02:27:54,710 --> 02:28:03,070
But there is nothing that I've heard or read that says thou shall not repeat the mistakes

1563
02:28:03,070 --> 02:28:03,650
of the past.

1564
02:28:05,310 --> 02:28:09,690
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting

1565
02:28:09,690 --> 02:28:10,630
different results.

1566
02:28:11,950 --> 02:28:20,670
If you're going to create a district to try to basically be able to abate things cheaper,

1567
02:28:20,670 --> 02:28:28,370
not have to deal with CEQA, not have to deal with contracting, some of the contracting regulations, et cetera.

1568
02:28:28,890 --> 02:28:32,610
You should also think about the problem more holistically.

1569
02:28:33,290 --> 02:28:38,690
You should think about how are you going to fund this, and no, I'm not talking about borrowing.

1570
02:28:38,970 --> 02:28:46,790
But you're looking at yet again creating another entity to tax a small minority of homeowners,

1571
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:53,350
to try to abate a largest landslide in North America.

1572
02:28:54,360 --> 02:28:55,330
That's what you're doing.

1573
02:29:00,260 --> 02:29:01,260
Think about that.

1574
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:08,220
You're taxing a small minority of individuals to

1575
02:29:08,220 --> 02:29:20,540
abate the largest landslide in North America and creating an entity that has no oversight as you have demonstrated yourselves in the letters that you had sent to the State Controllers Office.

1576
02:29:20,540 --> 02:29:27,620
to try to figure out who the hell is in charge of the abatement districts with a law that is broken.

1577
02:29:32,420 --> 02:29:33,580
This is disgusting.

1578
02:29:37,070 --> 02:29:39,290
Thank you, Nikki. Next speaker, please.

1579
02:29:39,570 --> 02:29:40,850
Our next speaker is Ben Zask.

1580
02:29:42,030 --> 02:29:42,770
Hey, Ben.

1581
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:54,120
So I heard the word emergency. And yeah, you know, I'm living in a Portuguese band,

1582
02:29:54,120 --> 02:29:59,960
blank slide and kind of like you know feeling stressed and

1583
02:30:00,180 --> 02:30:29,200
And what I hear is delay. And when there's an emergency, the last thing you want to hear is we'll get back to you. And the reason I'm talking to you is because I feel LA county should step up. But first of all, when I approached them things, they gave me the run around until Friday, and then I didn't hear from them again. But lately, they've been saying, oh, speak to the city, it's on the city, so that's why I'm here.

1584
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:33,140
because I feel the emergency should be handled by LA County.

1585
02:30:34,180 --> 02:30:35,560
Couple of points, one.

1586
02:30:38,110 --> 02:30:40,770
Portuguese Canyon, Etypachi Canyon,

1587
02:30:41,250 --> 02:30:45,830
paintbrush Canyon, was destroyed by LA County Crenshaw Extension.

1588
02:30:47,090 --> 02:30:48,270
And what did they do?

1589
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:49,790
Nothing, they'd left.

1590
02:30:50,830 --> 02:30:54,390
And they're still emptying out into the head of the slide.

1591
02:30:54,590 --> 02:30:58,390
You talk about, my fifth talked about the SCOP,

1592
02:30:58,510 --> 02:31:00,050
there used to be a SCOP trail there.

1593
02:31:00,050 --> 02:31:06,250
guess what? That's where the canyons got destroyed. The water goes into the

1594
02:31:06,250 --> 02:31:12,790
stop, into the canyons. I mean, into the slide zone. That's where the water is.

1595
02:31:13,130 --> 02:31:19,470
So stopping the landslide is two step one. Stop the water from getting in. It used

1596
02:31:19,470 --> 02:31:24,730
to be where I used to talk to people now a serious about, yeah, it's almost 70

1597
02:31:24,730 --> 02:31:32,110
years that this is going on, and now I kind of laugh on with it and just, you know,

1598
02:31:32,310 --> 02:31:40,570
like it's not going to get what's it called, abatement, it's going to keep doing it, and

1599
02:31:40,570 --> 02:31:47,430
we may as well have a 70 year anniversary next year of those canyons just emptying out into

1600
02:31:47,430 --> 02:31:48,210
the slide zone.

1601
02:31:49,150 --> 02:31:54,310
And another reason why LA County should be in charge is because before this recent

1602
02:31:54,310 --> 02:31:56,790
and land movement and the trails were closed.

1603
02:31:57,290 --> 02:31:59,130
I used to go hiking in the rim trail.

1604
02:31:59,910 --> 02:32:02,610
There was a house and this is when the rainstorms

1605
02:32:02,610 --> 02:32:05,090
are coming for the 2023 season.

1606
02:32:05,650 --> 02:32:08,570
There was a house being built right at the edge

1607
02:32:09,590 --> 02:32:11,450
of itchibachi canyon.

1608
02:32:12,430 --> 02:32:15,390
With the street going right into itchibachi canyon,

1609
02:32:15,570 --> 02:32:16,810
in case you don't remember.

1610
02:32:17,090 --> 02:32:19,510
That's one of the three canyons that empty out

1611
02:32:19,510 --> 02:32:21,390
into the head of the slide zone.

1612
02:32:22,650 --> 02:32:29,010
I mean, is PBLAD going to handle that?

1613
02:32:29,750 --> 02:32:31,570
Hey, rolling hills, what are you doing?

1614
02:32:32,610 --> 02:32:36,990
No, LA County needs to go up there and say, look, before this development,

1615
02:32:37,530 --> 02:32:42,190
the water should not go into the PB landslide that's almost 70 years old.

1616
02:32:43,670 --> 02:32:48,350
Simple, the LA County needs to step up, and it's an emergency.

1617
02:32:48,350 --> 02:32:56,670
And I think these measures about where the water is going and where it's supposed to go into the ocean like it has been.

1618
02:32:58,030 --> 02:33:08,290
It needs to be addressed ASAP, and I'm not even sure if PPLAD is a good idea or not, because the veins are going to come.

1619
02:33:09,030 --> 02:33:09,530
Thank you.

1620
02:33:10,210 --> 02:33:10,690
Thanks, Ben.

1621
02:33:11,490 --> 02:33:12,570
I'll find out.

1622
02:33:12,870 --> 02:33:14,390
Final speakers, Eva Aboujah.

1623
02:33:14,910 --> 02:33:15,570
Diazum.

1624
02:33:17,940 --> 02:33:18,200
Aiba.

1625
02:33:19,280 --> 02:33:19,940
Aiba.

1626
02:33:21,320 --> 02:33:25,840
So, the city created K-Class and A-Class

1627
02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:29,080
when the last slide was only 380 acres.

1628
02:33:30,200 --> 02:33:34,300
Today we're at 715 acres in the last slide

1629
02:33:34,300 --> 02:33:35,120
and it's growing.

1630
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:39,620
I just don't understand

1631
02:33:39,620 --> 02:33:48,740
And why we are having K-clad and A-clad still running the show on a lot, largest landslide.

1632
02:33:49,910 --> 02:33:51,880
They're not transparent in their expenses.

1633
02:33:52,840 --> 02:33:55,400
They're not consistent in debating the landslide.

1634
02:33:56,060 --> 02:33:59,960
And now we're talking about a third district and more money.

1635
02:33:59,960 --> 02:34:09,900
We all suffered from huge losses to our values, to our homes.

1636
02:34:10,780 --> 02:34:18,840
Our lives have been turned upside down with no electrical, no gas, and let's just ram

1637
02:34:18,840 --> 02:34:26,720
more fees and taxes to all the people who have suffered and gotten no help to throne with

1638
02:34:26,720 --> 02:34:38,560
loans to help themselves and let's us tack it on. Again, no transparency, no action, we're

1639
02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:41,520
growing with the landslide and this will grow.

1640
02:34:43,810 --> 02:34:48,710
We need something like a bond measure to distribute

1641
02:34:48,710 --> 02:34:56,230
this cost because we have homeowners from RPB using PV drive south, whether it's for sewers,

1642
02:34:56,230 --> 02:35:02,910
whether it's the drive on the drive, whether it's to transport goods to their

1643
02:35:02,910 --> 02:35:09,590
businesses, but no, only the people in the district has to pay for the last

1644
02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:20,810
slide. This is insane to pass that bill and have unlimited taxes to the people

1645
02:35:20,810 --> 02:35:22,350
who are losing their homes.

1646
02:35:24,520 --> 02:35:30,300
I don't understand. I get that you want a new district to help with

1647
02:35:30,300 --> 02:35:39,520
lowering the fees. So, do one district, but don't put all the costs into the people who live in

1648
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:46,000
that district. It's unfair, unbalanced, and we need a change today. Thank you.

1649
02:35:46,680 --> 02:35:47,320
Thank you.

1650
02:35:47,320 --> 02:35:47,880
Thank you, Eva.

1651
02:35:48,660 --> 02:35:49,320
Next speaker.

1652
02:35:49,340 --> 02:35:50,000
I'm a final speaker.

1653
02:35:50,180 --> 02:35:51,000
Tasha Hinchcliffe.

1654
02:35:53,990 --> 02:35:54,450
Hi, Tasha.

1655
02:35:56,880 --> 02:35:57,400
Hello, Council.

1656
02:35:58,180 --> 02:35:58,360
Hi.

1657
02:35:58,940 --> 02:36:05,100
Thank you for listening to all of us homeowners in the landslide, appreciate it.

1658
02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:11,920
And I do want to thank all of the City Council and our Geologic Hazard Abatement District

1659
02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:17,640
leaders and all of our neighbors who have been volunteering throughout this crisis and

1660
02:36:17,640 --> 02:36:22,100
an emergency for some of them months and some of them for decades.

1661
02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:24,860
Everyone's been doing what they can.

1662
02:36:25,820 --> 02:36:35,160
What I'm very concerned about is that we are not focusing enough energy on trying to get LA County.

1663
02:36:35,300 --> 02:36:37,600
I want to follow up on what Ben said a moment ago.

1664
02:36:38,300 --> 02:36:46,460
LA County and the state and I've given up on the federal, so I'm not going to even go on down that road.

1665
02:36:46,460 --> 02:36:49,600
but we really need to get their assistance

1666
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:52,880
because what has not been publicized enough

1667
02:36:52,880 --> 02:36:55,800
is the fact that if we lose that sewer line

1668
02:36:55,800 --> 02:36:57,400
along Pulse Freeze Drive South,

1669
02:36:58,020 --> 02:37:01,040
it's not just what was asked in the land slide.

1670
02:37:01,220 --> 02:37:06,620
It's 39,000 homes that would potentially lose

1671
02:37:06,620 --> 02:37:09,480
their sewer service and then have the possibility

1672
02:37:09,480 --> 02:37:11,420
of having to be evacuated.

1673
02:37:11,740 --> 02:37:13,740
The only reason why we at the Beach Club

1674
02:37:13,740 --> 02:37:18,140
and Sherry's neighbors and Gordon's neighbors up in the upper bend.

1675
02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:24,240
We're not evacuated is because we have amazing neighbors who are very resilient

1676
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:30,780
and who work their tissues off to get their generators going to be able to pump the sewage

1677
02:37:30,780 --> 02:37:37,220
so that they could get the sewage to that main line on PV Drive South and continue to live in our homes.

1678
02:37:38,040 --> 02:37:40,000
That's neighbor helping neighbor.

1679
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:44,380
And they're still doing that, waking up early in the morning to deal with the pumps.

1680
02:37:44,660 --> 02:37:52,080
One of my neighbors, up at 5 a.m., this morning dealing with the pumps down at the beach club and the reconstruction of the road down there.

1681
02:37:52,680 --> 02:37:54,580
And that's the kind of thing that's happening every day.

1682
02:37:54,800 --> 02:37:58,900
We need help, but we need to shift the energy and the funding.

1683
02:37:59,240 --> 02:38:04,060
We need to shift it to the county and the state, the homeowners can't do it.

1684
02:38:04,060 --> 02:38:18,640
forming another geologic hazard abatement district, is not the solution to the problem because we can't put the bill, as Nikki pointed out, this is the largest fastest moving landslide in North America.

1685
02:38:19,160 --> 02:38:33,860
We also need expertise from outside of our city, and we need everyone on staff and council, and everyone involved to be willing to listen to people who come to them with alternative suggestions.

1686
02:38:33,860 --> 02:38:39,960
That's been happening throughout and unfortunately, people who have been trying to help have fallen on deaf ears.

1687
02:38:40,360 --> 02:38:46,000
We need outside resources financially and outside expertise to help solve this problem.

1688
02:38:46,320 --> 02:38:48,000
Thanks for listening, appreciate it.

1689
02:38:48,440 --> 02:38:49,180
Thank you very much.

1690
02:38:50,680 --> 02:38:51,660
Okay, no further speakers.

1691
02:38:53,080 --> 02:38:55,760
Council deliberation, anybody want to speak up first?

1692
02:38:57,950 --> 02:38:58,430
Mayor Bradley?

1693
02:39:01,340 --> 02:39:02,840
Sure, I'll kick this off.

1694
02:39:04,220 --> 02:39:09,360
I listened to a bunch of the public comments and I am very sympathetic for what's going

1695
02:39:09,360 --> 02:39:15,860
on in all of the greater landslide, ancient landslide district.

1696
02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:24,320
This I think is an opportunity where we could put another tool in our toolbox, could

1697
02:39:24,320 --> 02:39:32,680
help the city in managing the central portion of the landslide in a more economical way.

1698
02:39:32,680 --> 02:39:41,660
This is not meant to continue to, I think one other speaker said, unlimited taxes.

1699
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:44,040
This has nothing to do with unlimited taxes.

1700
02:39:44,440 --> 02:39:49,520
This is trying to get a handle on a very unfortunate geologic hazard that we have.

1701
02:39:49,920 --> 02:40:00,620
I think this is exactly what the statute was intended for, is to form a district for joint

1702
02:40:00,620 --> 02:40:06,340
you or joint benefit to be able to help mitigate a genealogic hazard.

1703
02:40:08,060 --> 02:40:14,200
I would love to see the county, the state and the federal government take more of an

1704
02:40:14,200 --> 02:40:22,140
active role. Unfortunately, we have, or we are continuing to work with our partners, but we've had

1705
02:40:22,140 --> 02:40:28,980
and a very meager success in getting outside funds.

1706
02:40:29,160 --> 02:40:35,380
The city has continued to support the stabilization of Palsbury's drive south and the residents

1707
02:40:35,380 --> 02:40:40,340
in the land side area, so I think the city continues to support.

1708
02:40:40,940 --> 02:40:47,040
So I'm in favor of forming the third geologic hazard of the 8-metre district.

1709
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:54,020
I think it will put some additional tools in our toolbox, allow us to do contracting in

1710
02:40:54,020 --> 02:40:58,800
a more expeditious and fiscally sustainable way.

1711
02:40:59,440 --> 02:41:00,520
So I'm in favor of it.

1712
02:41:01,260 --> 02:41:01,980
Thank you, Mayor Brotel.

1713
02:41:02,420 --> 02:41:02,840
Thank you.

1714
02:41:03,300 --> 02:41:04,280
Councilman Perreston.

1715
02:41:04,760 --> 02:41:06,300
Thank you, Mr. Mayor Brotel.

1716
02:41:06,680 --> 02:41:08,300
I have a couple of questions to step.

1717
02:41:08,900 --> 02:41:13,520
The intent of this is to investigate what this may look like.

1718
02:41:13,520 --> 02:41:20,240
I think this isn't saying we're going to duplicate a clad or K-clad and that historical structure.

1719
02:41:20,960 --> 02:41:29,880
This is new, we have alternatives, it's up to us and up to staff to make recommendations on what that new clad may look like.

1720
02:41:30,040 --> 02:41:31,160
Is that fair?

1721
02:41:31,560 --> 02:41:40,160
That is correct, I mean the board of this district could be comprised of the City Council, it could be comprised of residents in the area.

1722
02:41:40,160 --> 02:42:08,980
So that's still unknown, we will go through that process and the council make those decisions if and when we get there and also follow up to that, is if we would in the future have the benefit of our partners coming through with funding, wouldn't we be able to funnel that funding through these organizations with the benefit of that structure and reap the advantages that we're trying to, that we're looking for at this point in time?

1723
02:42:08,980 --> 02:42:16,280
There's not the intent, actually the district as a separate government entity can seek that those

1724
02:42:16,820 --> 02:42:20,960
financial assistance, whether it's grants, whether it's applying for the hazard mitigation grant,

1725
02:42:21,480 --> 02:42:26,560
they don't have, it can be due on its own without having to engage the city.

1726
02:42:27,320 --> 02:42:32,800
Okay, thank you. I'm also supportive for this next step. I don't think this really

1727
02:42:34,020 --> 02:42:41,600
It takes us down too far down the road where we may run into problems that are identified problems.

1728
02:42:42,200 --> 02:42:52,420
And if this is just a necessary first step and maybe and hopefully we're all trying to have the same intention as well as all the speakers to improve the situation.

1729
02:42:52,700 --> 02:42:58,020
So I think this is a reasonable next step in that process and I support the steps recommendation.

1730
02:42:58,580 --> 02:43:00,140
Thank you, Council Member Lewis.

1731
02:43:00,140 --> 02:43:08,620
Yeah, we're unanimous on that point, so thus far, one of the key things that Councilmember

1732
02:43:08,620 --> 02:43:13,900
Paris-Dan pointed out was that in the event we are already able to achieve funds from

1733
02:43:13,900 --> 02:43:20,860
some of our partners, there needs to be a pathway for those funds to reach the people that

1734
02:43:20,860 --> 02:43:21,380
are affected.

1735
02:43:22,300 --> 02:43:26,600
And right now we have, I mean, a couple of our speakers talked about equity and fairness.

1736
02:43:26,600 --> 02:43:33,780
And so we have some houses that are covered by a glad and then other homes that aren't.

1737
02:43:34,520 --> 02:43:46,160
And so there's a fundamental disparity, it seems to me that this is a remedy in which there will at least be one of three districts if we go through with it and the point is if that's not making that decision now.

1738
02:43:46,280 --> 02:43:56,580
But if we were to go all the way through with it, every parcel in the new greater landslide would be represented by some.

1739
02:43:56,580 --> 02:44:02,160
I think there's value in that, even if there's three different ones and they might have slightly different priorities.

1740
02:44:02,720 --> 02:44:07,180
At least you don't have a situation where there's some homes that have none, and then others that have one.

1741
02:44:07,560 --> 02:44:10,840
So to me, I think this is a good step to start to initiate the process.

1742
02:44:11,900 --> 02:44:13,880
Thank you, Council Member Farah.

1743
02:44:16,580 --> 02:44:23,020
Basically, I agree with what everyone has said, I think this is something that we need to do.

1744
02:44:25,210 --> 02:44:30,370
You know, I'm just going to address a couple points that our speakers made today.

1745
02:44:30,630 --> 02:44:33,550
I'm just going to start with the first part, which is trying to get external funds.

1746
02:44:34,990 --> 02:44:39,390
You guys may not see it, but behind the scenes, I know the mayor has.

1747
02:44:39,390 --> 02:44:43,550
I know myself and a lot of folks have talked to our elected members

1748
02:44:43,550 --> 02:44:45,930
making multiple trips to Sacramento to DC.

1749
02:44:46,090 --> 02:44:49,050
We've been trying to every possible route to get external funding.

1750
02:44:50,370 --> 02:44:56,910
You know, we lobby Janice Hahn, our supervisor, and God bless for she, you know, she was the first person to give us money.

1751
02:44:57,590 --> 02:44:59,830
So a lot of that money went to individual.

1752
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,940
Payments to the individuals in Portuguese ban in the area. We continue to talk to her because she's the only one that's been helping pretty much at this point. But the state is drying the federal government. You guys know how that's going right now. But we've been trying every possible way. And I know the staff is trying every single possible way from not only from through FEMA, but also through Homeland Security to get this money. So it's not lost in us in terms of what we're trying to do. Also in regards to this formation of this, of this gap,

1753
02:45:30,480 --> 02:45:34,440
This is not something that we decided on the whim to do.

1754
02:45:34,940 --> 02:45:38,220
We thought about this extensively, about what we could do

1755
02:45:38,220 --> 02:45:43,660
and what we strategically need to do going in the next 10,

1756
02:45:43,900 --> 02:45:45,420
20, 30 years looking forward.

1757
02:45:46,300 --> 02:45:47,200
What keeps us nimble?

1758
02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:51,960
What keeps us at best in terms of a tool like Mayor Bradley said.

1759
02:45:52,520 --> 02:45:54,300
In our pockets, to actually fix the problems,

1760
02:45:54,340 --> 02:45:56,200
and I think having this geological hazard

1761
02:45:56,200 --> 02:45:56,960
their payment district.

1762
02:45:57,140 --> 02:46:01,880
The new one gives the opportunity to skirt a lot of the issues or rules that are statutes

1763
02:46:01,880 --> 02:46:06,940
that are in place to make the decision quickly, to address the hazards that we have in the

1764
02:46:06,940 --> 02:46:12,000
district, and then also to get money to where it needs to be going, and to actually fix the

1765
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:12,280
problem.

1766
02:46:12,420 --> 02:46:13,880
So this is a strategic decision.

1767
02:46:14,260 --> 02:46:17,940
This is not formed so that we can burden the folks that are actually living there.

1768
02:46:18,520 --> 02:46:22,900
But this is this decision was made so that we can strategically help those individuals and

1769
02:46:22,900 --> 02:46:25,300
actually create a solution going forward.

1770
02:46:25,300 --> 02:46:32,500
So in terms of transparency and accountability, like the city manager was saying, the governing

1771
02:46:32,500 --> 02:46:36,080
body would probably most likely be the city council, so you're going to be able to see

1772
02:46:36,080 --> 02:46:38,380
everything that happens and transpires.

1773
02:46:39,220 --> 02:46:42,880
So we need the best, we need to be in the best position possible going forward.

1774
02:46:42,880 --> 02:46:49,700
So, you know, forming or, you know, exploring the formation of this, of this gap, I think

1775
02:46:49,700 --> 02:46:50,320
is important.

1776
02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:54,400
And I think strategically we need it so that we can actually address the problems that

1777
02:46:55,140 --> 02:46:58,220
And the last part is the monetary aspect of it.

1778
02:46:58,280 --> 02:47:01,240
The city is not, we don't have unlimited funds, like we just said.

1779
02:47:01,980 --> 02:47:06,240
And by doing this, it gives us a strategy you could manage monetarily in terms of expenses,

1780
02:47:06,500 --> 02:47:10,900
and what we need to pay for operations and maintenance of the wells and the actual landside areas.

1781
02:47:11,260 --> 02:47:15,560
So, you know, those are some of the considerations that we took in before we started going down this path.

1782
02:47:16,120 --> 02:47:20,360
And I know a lot of folks are frustrated about a lot of things that are in transpiring.

1783
02:47:21,020 --> 02:47:25,560
But we're doing everything possible to make sure that we get back to historical norms.

1784
02:47:26,500 --> 02:47:33,940
So with that being said, if there are other comments or statements or questions, can I

1785
02:47:33,940 --> 02:47:34,700
hate a motion, please?

1786
02:47:37,750 --> 02:47:39,270
I'll move the staff recommendation.

1787
02:47:40,250 --> 02:47:41,010
I'll second.

1788
02:47:41,890 --> 02:47:44,610
Okay, roll call, please.

1789
02:47:48,620 --> 02:47:49,440
Council Member Lewis.

1790
02:47:49,880 --> 02:47:50,080
Yes.

1791
02:47:50,380 --> 02:47:51,400
Council Member Ferraro.

1792
02:47:51,740 --> 02:47:51,980
Yes.

1793
02:47:52,700 --> 02:47:53,740
Council Member Peristam.

1794
02:47:53,940 --> 02:47:54,120
Yes.

1795
02:47:54,480 --> 02:47:55,240
Mayor Pro Temsil.

1796
02:47:55,240 --> 02:48:09,620
Yes. Mayor Bradley. Yes. Motion passes. With that we can move to item number four. Consideration to amend section 12.16. Oh, I know closed areas. I've titled 12 of the Rancher Palace for these municipal code. I do not have any request to speak.

1797
02:48:10,100 --> 02:48:11,260
Okay, staff report please.

1798
02:48:12,580 --> 02:48:24,500
Good evening, Mayor. Members of the City Council. Currently section 12.16.090 of the municipal code. Authorizes the city manager to temporarily close parks.

1799
02:48:24,500 --> 02:48:28,160
works when necessary for public health, safety, and welfare.

1800
02:48:29,240 --> 02:48:34,140
This allows the city to make immediate repairs and prevent the public from entering unsafe spaces.

1801
02:48:35,160 --> 02:48:49,020
However, it has come to our attention that the code does not explicitly authorize the city manager to close other public spaces such as streets, sidewalks, city facilities and trails for public safety purposes.

1802
02:48:49,020 --> 02:48:55,860
This currently California Vehicle Code number 2-1-1-0-1 does allow cities to temporarily

1803
02:48:55,860 --> 02:49:01,220
close streets to safeguard the public, so long as it's codified or adopted by ordinance.

1804
02:49:02,180 --> 02:49:06,300
Just to ensure clarity on this matter and given that public safety incidents are to be

1805
02:49:06,300 --> 02:49:11,720
expected on public spaces, such as sidewalks, facilities, streets, and trails, and especially

1806
02:49:11,720 --> 02:49:16,920
given our landslide emergencies, where we constantly see issues along PV drive south.

1807
02:49:16,920 --> 02:49:27,640
staff is recommending a menu code 12.16.090 to enable the city manager to close these areas temporarily and as needed.

1808
02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:33,220
Tonight would be the introduction of the submitted ordinance as you see here on this slide.

1809
02:49:33,680 --> 02:49:38,860
If approved, the second reading would occur at the next council meeting on August 19th.

1810
02:49:38,860 --> 02:49:40,060
And this concludes my report.

1811
02:49:43,180 --> 02:49:46,780
Any questions from city staff or, sorry, city council?

1812
02:49:48,520 --> 02:49:49,640
Yes, council member.

1813
02:49:49,800 --> 02:49:51,840
What do we have to do with anybody's speakers because I was just going to make a comment.

1814
02:49:51,920 --> 02:49:52,580
No, we don't have any speakers.

1815
02:49:52,900 --> 02:49:53,120
No, it's fine.

1816
02:49:53,340 --> 02:49:53,460
Okay.

1817
02:49:53,780 --> 02:49:54,600
Just a comment here.

1818
02:49:55,420 --> 02:49:58,940
We got notification a couple of weeks ago that the council did.

1819
02:49:59,040 --> 02:50:03,280
I had the opportunity to go down there pretty quickly after that notification of that there was

1820
02:50:03,280 --> 02:50:05,780
a problem on PV drive south, so I saw first hand.

1821
02:50:06,500 --> 02:50:10,940
And first of all, I was surprised that the city manager doesn't already have this power

1822
02:50:10,940 --> 02:50:13,160
And I get the fact that it's not explicit.

1823
02:50:13,920 --> 02:50:24,220
So, I'd just say that there's a lot of well-meaning interested parties that show up when there's a crisis like that or a potential emergency.

1824
02:50:25,060 --> 02:50:31,560
And we have to make sure that the calls made by the right person is quickly as possible.

1825
02:50:32,240 --> 02:50:37,460
So, it was handled quite well, it was handled quite quickly.

1826
02:50:37,460 --> 02:50:41,920
But the question of the city manager didn't have absolute authority to do that.

1827
02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:45,900
Going into that was a bit of a surprise for me.

1828
02:50:46,380 --> 02:50:50,960
So I saw firsthand the value of this ordinance being cleaned up and

1829
02:50:50,960 --> 02:51:01,360
that the city manager had this tool as his disposal to take this action as quickly as he gets validated information that there is a crisis at hand.

1830
02:51:01,560 --> 02:51:02,960
Thank you mayor Pratton.

1831
02:51:04,360 --> 02:51:04,980
Anyone else?

1832
02:51:04,980 --> 02:51:05,860
I

1833
02:51:23,750 --> 02:51:25,150
know, we're waiting for you.

1834
02:51:25,150 --> 02:51:26,150
Sorry, sorry.

1835
02:51:26,670 --> 02:51:28,970
No, I don't have any.

1836
02:51:29,110 --> 02:51:29,530
Mayor Bradley.

1837
02:51:31,110 --> 02:51:35,130
I know, but I'd make a motion to accept staff recommendation and.

1838
02:51:36,890 --> 02:51:37,650
So I can.

1839
02:51:37,790 --> 02:51:39,510
I have to hold on before real quick.

1840
02:51:39,890 --> 02:51:40,930
Sorry, Mr. Mayor.

1841
02:51:42,730 --> 02:51:47,950
One of the issues that came up and, you know, I think the city manager and city attorney knows this.

1842
02:51:48,050 --> 02:51:50,050
We got some complaints from protesters.

1843
02:51:50,810 --> 02:51:57,070
a while back, and the reason why was because the city streets and parking lots, the public

1844
02:51:57,070 --> 02:52:04,270
lots were closed, and they cited First Amendment issues, and also from, you know, based

1845
02:52:04,270 --> 02:52:09,650
on, you know, they basically complained that it was preemptive, and it was blocking them

1846
02:52:09,650 --> 02:52:14,230
from protesting in a peaceful manner, and I think it's very important that we understand

1847
02:52:14,230 --> 02:52:17,670
what we're doing at the time that we're doing it, and that we don't even French upon First

1848
02:52:17,670 --> 02:52:24,450
amendment rights, especially from protesters that are protesting safely and in a known manner,

1849
02:52:24,910 --> 02:52:32,430
but I think this definitely codifies authority to city manage to be able to assess a situation,

1850
02:52:32,430 --> 02:52:38,310
especially if something that protesters are doing are dangerous. So this is only one of the reasons

1851
02:52:38,310 --> 02:52:44,270
why this came up, just so people understand in public that we didn't just pluck this out of city

1852
02:52:44,270 --> 02:52:47,290
we're going to re-assess this one night.

1853
02:52:47,890 --> 02:52:54,710
It's very important that everybody understands that we need to be able to react to public safety issues,

1854
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:59,630
especially if it's on a public street in our neighborhoods and our streets and during facilities as well.

1855
02:52:59,930 --> 02:53:05,070
So that's kind of the impetus behind it, and then I'm on board with the staff recommendation for this.

1856
02:53:06,510 --> 02:53:10,250
So at this point, Mr. City manager, did you have anything to add?

1857
02:53:10,250 --> 02:53:22,590
But I was just going to say before you vote on the motion, it was the coincidence of the demonstration happened on Thursday and the sinkhole on PV drive happened on Saturday.

1858
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:28,610
It was almost like back-to-back incidents that required the closure for public safety.

1859
02:53:28,990 --> 02:53:37,210
So I think I'm glad Mayor Procene that you mentioned the genesis of this and why it's on the agenda this evening.

1860
02:53:37,210 --> 02:53:39,250
Okay, with that, can I get a motion, please?

1861
02:53:40,430 --> 02:53:42,150
You already have a motion.

1862
02:53:42,450 --> 02:53:43,670
Well, roll call then.

1863
02:53:46,250 --> 02:53:47,330
Council Member Lewis.

1864
02:53:47,790 --> 02:53:48,030
Yes.

1865
02:53:48,390 --> 02:53:49,510
Council Member Faruaro.

1866
02:53:49,970 --> 02:53:50,150
Yes.

1867
02:53:50,590 --> 02:53:51,650
Council Member Paris-Stamp.

1868
02:53:51,790 --> 02:53:51,990
Yes.

1869
02:53:52,590 --> 02:53:53,510
Mayor Pradimseil.

1870
02:53:53,690 --> 02:53:53,930
Yes.

1871
02:53:54,210 --> 02:53:54,630
Mayor Bradley.

1872
02:53:55,310 --> 02:53:55,510
Yes.

1873
02:53:55,850 --> 02:53:56,390
Motion passes.

1874
02:53:56,630 --> 02:54:00,390
With that, we can move to our future agenda items.

1875
02:54:01,350 --> 02:54:03,250
Anyone have a future agenda items?

1876
02:54:03,530 --> 02:54:04,190
Mr. Mayor, anything?

1877
02:54:05,810 --> 02:54:06,290
No.

1878
02:54:06,290 --> 02:54:16,890
Anyone? No. I have one quick one. So it's brought to my attention that there are some issues with our

1879
02:54:16,890 --> 02:54:21,830
suit markets and equity when it comes to our senior citizens because what was brought to my

1880
02:54:21,830 --> 02:54:29,110
attention was that they are not getting the same, I guess coupons digitally as opposed to physically.

1881
02:54:29,310 --> 02:54:34,830
So physically, if you go into the store, you can get certain amounts of discounts and whatnot,

1882
02:54:34,830 --> 02:54:40,330
but it's not available on both sides digitally and physically, so some people are feeling

1883
02:54:40,330 --> 02:54:45,890
slighted and feel that it's unfair. So I know there are some ordinances that were passed in

1884
02:54:45,890 --> 02:54:51,470
San Diego and were not to kind of codify or address that issue. I was wondering if we can kind

1885
02:54:51,470 --> 02:54:58,390
of take a look at it. I know we had a conversation behind that. Yeah, sure. If the council's pleasure

1886
02:54:58,390 --> 02:55:03,230
will add it to the future gen items and we will bring a report back in the council consider

1887
02:55:03,230 --> 02:55:05,490
Please, they want to adopt an ordinance or not.

1888
02:55:05,750 --> 02:55:06,470
Yeah, thank you very much.

1889
02:55:06,570 --> 02:55:07,270
What kind of coupons?

1890
02:55:08,190 --> 02:55:10,850
So, it's any discounts on products and whatnot.

1891
02:55:11,230 --> 02:55:14,770
And they're what they're saying is folks that are quote unquote,

1892
02:55:14,990 --> 02:55:19,810
digitally challenged senior citizens that can pull up these digital codes.

1893
02:55:20,030 --> 02:55:23,030
They're more discounts digitally than physically that they're going to get.

1894
02:55:23,290 --> 02:55:27,070
So, there were some complaints that came in that I understood that I heard.

1895
02:55:27,570 --> 02:55:31,030
So they just want to have the same opportunity to get the discounts.

1896
02:55:31,790 --> 02:55:32,010
Yeah.

1897
02:55:32,010 --> 02:55:35,130
I myself was struggled with Ralph's digital coupons.

1898
02:55:35,370 --> 02:55:39,330
It's their app that would help the customer to listen as well.

1899
02:55:41,570 --> 02:55:46,950
Mr. Ralph's though, the clerks usually at checkout will accommodate if you ask.

1900
02:55:47,750 --> 02:55:49,410
All right, any other future in dead narratives?

1901
02:55:49,870 --> 02:55:50,050
Nothing?

1902
02:55:50,550 --> 02:55:50,750
Okay.

1903
02:55:50,890 --> 02:55:51,450
Next item, please.

1904
02:55:51,770 --> 02:55:53,550
City Council, oral reports?

1905
02:55:54,730 --> 02:55:55,350
Anything?

1906
02:55:55,890 --> 02:56:01,430
I just wanted to say that I attended the bells to Nagasaki and

1907
02:56:01,430 --> 02:56:14,150
And the city manager had a slide on that and that was a very worthwhile experience, very memorable and an important memory in our history.

1908
02:56:14,610 --> 02:56:15,790
So, thank you.

1909
02:56:16,270 --> 02:56:16,750
That was my release,

1910
02:56:19,840 --> 02:56:20,440
that was my for all.

1911
02:56:21,340 --> 02:56:29,940
I went to the last music at City Hall, the band, and they were very popular.

1912
02:56:29,940 --> 02:56:35,200
there were so many people dancing to the very last song.

1913
02:56:35,980 --> 02:56:39,920
So if you haven't been to the music in the park,

1914
02:56:40,220 --> 02:56:41,440
there's one more chance.

1915
02:56:42,060 --> 02:56:43,080
What's the date?

1916
02:56:43,900 --> 02:56:47,540
August 23rd, and it's classic rock and holdings.

1917
02:56:48,600 --> 02:56:50,440
When you went to was 90's music.

1918
02:56:51,260 --> 02:56:51,880
It was what?

1919
02:56:52,420 --> 02:56:53,380
90's music.

1920
02:56:54,760 --> 02:56:57,960
I knew, I didn't know any of the words to the songs.

1921
02:56:57,960 --> 02:57:04,340
but maybe I will this next one new songs can't be understood very

1922
02:57:04,340 --> 02:57:09,200
brightly any updates just a couple things mayor pro tem thank you I have the

1923
02:57:09,200 --> 02:57:13,460
opportunity to go to the Dalmatian America Club this lunch in down in San

1924
02:57:13,460 --> 02:57:23,180
Pedro on Friday the 25th once again a bunch of great leaders were down there so

1925
02:57:25,450 --> 02:57:31,630
So that was a great experience, several of us were able to go to that lunch that day.

1926
02:57:35,010 --> 02:57:45,320
Then we did have the annual State of the City breakfast on Friday the 1st, which was,

1927
02:57:45,520 --> 02:57:47,140
I thought a pretty good event.

1928
02:57:47,340 --> 02:57:54,180
We had many representatives from state and local agencies, as well as some of the representatives

1929
02:57:54,180 --> 02:57:56,340
from the federal, our federal partners.

1930
02:57:56,340 --> 02:58:01,580
So, once again, getting the word out for what's going on in the city of Rancho Palsaries.

1931
02:58:01,960 --> 02:58:02,580
So, that's it.

1932
02:58:03,160 --> 02:58:04,140
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1933
02:58:04,580 --> 02:58:09,900
I will reserve my comments or updates for next meeting for the sake of time.

1934
02:58:10,700 --> 02:58:12,440
So, next item is adjournment.

1935
02:58:12,660 --> 02:58:19,560
I will adjourn this meeting in the memory of the three deputies that we've lost from LASD and

1936
02:58:19,560 --> 02:58:21,920
adjourn this meeting at 1007 PM.