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Hey, I was looking for

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» Are we all Are we good?
>> What are you thankful for?

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» Being hot.
>> You're thankful for being hot.

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» Better than being too cold.

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I'm going to go ahead and call to order
the city council business meeting of

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Tuesday, August 11th. If you would start
by joining me in a pledge of allegiance,

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I would appreciate it.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
Thank you,

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» Lonnie. Can I get a roll call, please?
>> Here.

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» Here.
>> Daniel here.

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Rude
>> here. Cuben,

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» yes.
>> All right. Thank you. Um, just a

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reminder if if everybody has not had an
opportunity to put their phones on mute

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um or silence, if you would please do
that. Um

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we will go ahead and commence with the
meeting. Jeremy, just a heads up, I um

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have the script for qualifying a board
that we use um for

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planning board. Um and I am not seeing
it right here on top. So if you have

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that readily accessible just where we
qualify the board and state that it's a

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quasi judicial matter, um it'd be
helpful if you can find that. Otherwise,

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we'll wing it and do it best as we can.
Um, I will entertain a motion to adopt

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the agenda as presented.
>> I move to adopt the agenda as presented.

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» Second.
>> Motion from council member Ronnie,

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second from council member Daniels.
Discussion at the table.

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Hearing none. Can I go ahead and get a
roll call, please?

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» Yes.
>> Daniel, yes. Steven,

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» yes.
>> Yes.

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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All right, 6. The motion carries. I'll
entertain a motion to approve the

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minutes of July 28th.
>> I move to approve the minutes of July

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28th, 2026.
>> Second.

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» Motion from council member Ronnie,
second from council member Battles, I

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believe. That's where I heard that from.
Uh, discussion at the table.

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Hearing none. Can I get a roll call?
>> Battles?

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» Yes.
>> Daniel?

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» Yes.
>> David? Yes. Ronnie?

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» Yes.
>> Ruth?

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Um, yes. Shining. Yes.
6. Motion passes.

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» Entertain a motion for warrants payable.
>> I move to approve warrants payable in

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the amount of 1,726,740.93.

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» I'll second.
>> Have a motion from council member

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Ronnie, a second from council member
Tupin.

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» Discussion at the table, please. Um it
is so high because there were um

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$755,120.92

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cents was paid out of water and that was
for uh cops construction. Most of that

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was
>> yes for the water

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» for the water project. Um and then we
had the EDA grant. They paid out

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$57,510.98.

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And then we also paid for the
comprehensive insurance um $146,630.50

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and um we also, you know, then the rest
were just normal um payments. Um so but

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that that made up the majority of it.
Solid waste we paid with public services

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50,000 as usual. So that's that's most
of it.

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Other comments at the table

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hearing? None. Can I get a roll call,
please?

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Yes.
>> All right. 60. Motion carries.

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Um, mayor's business. Um, I have a few
notes to get through. Um, the first one

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we'll start is with Bears. I'm sure as
everyone knows, this has been a bad

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year. Um it's been bad all over the
state, but you throw into that that Red

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Lodge is built in a riparian zone um
right along a creek where bears love to

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walk. Um and we have grizzlies and black
bears both in there. Um Daniel with uh

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FWP was able to be here tonight. Um he
will also be at the bear meeting

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tomorrow. Um I'll I'll mention that
again later, but that's at 2 o'clock at

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the library.
um the the guidance that we have thus

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far and again I think it's important to
note that bears are not put down just

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because of trash. They're they're put
down um when they become a public safety

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issue. So when they're breaking into
homes, breaking into cars, um chasing

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people, those are all behaviors that
ends up putting a bear down. And I'd

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like to think that none of us like to
see that. Um and so it's kind of uh the

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protect yourself, protect the bear. Um
some ideas that they had to put out is

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they have asked to the extent possible
if you have the ability to keep your can

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inside please do so. Um and then just
put it out the morning that it's there.

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I know that's really difficult because
sometimes Republic is a little

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unpredictable and comes really really
early um earlier than normal. Um I will

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say uh and then actually before I go
there also consider bringing bird

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feeders in. I know in town there's a lot
of people who say, "I have bird feeders

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out and they just bring them in every
night." Um, this year we are seeing

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bears every part of town walking down
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so so consider bringing um the bird
feeders in for the remainder of the

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season. Um, and then the other thing
just from a public safety standpoint,

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um, if you're walking around town,
anywhere in town really, uh, please

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consider carrying bear spray, especially
if you're at night. Um, I I I don't

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think it's safe for people to be walking
around um out at night, you know,

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walking dogs or or various things. And
again, if you're a worker in Red Lodge

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and and um you don't have bear spray, um
the bear group got a grant and working

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with uh YWS, the Yellowstone Wildlife
Sanctuary, they actually have some bear

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spray training and they have vouchers
for those city workers who are working

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in our businesses and may not have bear
spray. They can go down and get a

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voucher and get a can of bear spray,
too. We still um the the latest count is

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still seven in Red Lodge, but we still
have three or four bears um actively

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walking down the streets every night in
in in town and and quite frankly during

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the day. Um
if you see a bear, if it is a grizzly or

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if it is a human safety issue, please
call dispatch. Um that's 4064461234.

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Hopefully everybody in town already has
that number. saved in their phone. Um, I

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did see a hand.
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» just a question on bird feeders. I
didn't think that those were permitted

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in city limits. I thought that was not
allowed. They are.

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» No, they they they are permitted. What
is not permitted is feeding of game

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animals. So, turkey, deer, anything that
can be hunted. Yeah.

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» Um is not um the the public health and
safety has taking under adisement and is

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looking at wondering about making bird
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but it's it's a slippery slope, but at
this point in time, they are legal, but

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they're just asking people not.
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to like October.
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like.
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that's what other cities have done. So,
let's let's let's not dive down that,

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but that'll be that's one of those
things that is under consideration and

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discussion. Um, so call dispatch if you
see a grizzly or if you have something

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that's a a human concern. Um, you can
call them on general sightings. They

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they just probably won't get a response.
Um, dispatch is really good at weeding

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through those calls. um and and has the
hotlines for all of our um law

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enforcement and and they're still
working like like the police and FWP

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will go down at night and run the bears
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from a community standpoint, if there's
if there's things we can do um to make

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the bears uncomfortable, I know we all
like cute pictures. Um but I was really

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quite pleased. I had some neighbors the
other day that said, you know, they they

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ran at it and hollered and screamed and
waved their arms and and the bear ran

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off. And as long as the bears are doing
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If they start to be unfased by humans,
get to the point that they're breaking

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into garages or breaking into vehicles
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end well for the bear. And sadly, that's
where they go if they start getting too

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comfortable around people with trash and
bird feeders and that sort of thing. Um

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tomorrow, for those who are interested,
at 2:00 at the library is our bear

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meeting. Um we generally have 20 people
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attending tomorrow and I've extended an
invitation to Ryan. Um, so I don't I

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haven't heard back from him. I don't
know if he'll be able to make that or

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not. Um, but for anybody who's
interested in being part of the

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solution, uh, we welcome you to those
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tomorrow. And then hot off the presses
on August 24th, which is the Monday

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before our next city council meeting at
the senior center, um FWP is going to

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have their they generally do a couple of
bear meetings a year. Um and generally

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they kind of wait until after the
season. Um as active as it has been this

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year and with many things going on, um
they have reached to have that. So

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that'll be August 24th, 6:30 at the
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um we may want to consider um for the
Monday meeting that we have at staff

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meeting at 5:30 um whether we want to
shorten that or maybe consider having

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that earlier um to help make sure
otherwise they set it at 6:30 so we can

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leave right from here and go directly to
that. Any questions about bears before

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we move on from the board from the
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All right. Um
in the packet next time and and our our

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chief is on vacation. Um so council, you
all have the complete um CFS report for

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the month with those numbers. Um with
that, I kind of want to throw out an

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apology. Um we threw out uh we had a
oneweek period of of numbers um that we

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threw in the packet because we didn't
have the other yet. Um I failed to catch

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that that was identified or that had the
title of an event on it. um and and

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apologies and and that was again it's a
it's a time period so it's not

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everything even tight to that event per
se. Um but the complete numbers are out

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in front of you and we'll make sure
those are in the packet for everybody

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next time.
Um the ice rink kickoff meeting is going

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to be this Thursday here um in city hall
at 1:00. Um reminder that that is in

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essence a staff meeting. Um due to the
high-profile nature of the conversation,

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uh it was determined that that will be
open to the public uh to observe.

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However, I want to make sure that people
understand that is not the public

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meeting um where public input will be
sought. That will be a follow-up meeting

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and it's not an opportunity to add or
change uh the requirements that council

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laid out by resolution. So, it's
basically um the opportunity for staff

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and and representatives from council to
be there to make sure that they

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understand what the ask is and just to
clarify. So, that'll be a kickoff

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meeting here.
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» That is Thursday, August 13th at 100
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» They must know that's when I play
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» They planned the whole thing around.

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» Will they be?
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» and it will be here.
>> Will that be hosted online as well?

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» Um, not
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to host it online. Um, and I for the
record may not be there. I have I have

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plans that may have me out of town. I'm
I'm presuming that you will be there not

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heard contrary
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» Um yeah, day after tomorrow.
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» Um so anyway, so there
>> council member Davis. So that's just the

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ice rink meeting or is it the grant
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» No, no, this is this is just the kickoff
meeting. This is hi, you're doing this

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report for us. We just want to answer
any questions. If you read what the

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report is, if you have any questions
about what our requests are and there

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was a meeting where they sat down and
went through the resolution and spelled

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out exactly the the the goal of this
report is for council to have the

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information they need to make a
decision. We we literally gave them the

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resolution with the ask in the
resolution that council wanted and those

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are you know if they're not going to be
in the engineering report they have to

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be presented some you know before we
make a decision those in that resolution

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pretty much what the engineering report
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» that's what the it's supposed to be
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the P
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now everything's presented to that
meeting because this meeting is strictly

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for to run through that resolution and
to make sure that they know ahead of

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time all of the items that need to be
presented within that report and that

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the the citizens have the ability to
understand that we are requesting that

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information
>> and if they have a question what do you

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mean by number three so this isn't the
resolution that's passed then they can

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ask and get that clarification at that
meeting.

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» Okay, great. Thank you.
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Um All right. um the water
>> pool operations. We are nearing the end.

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In fact, we're getting to the point
where it starts to become very very

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difficult to staff the pool. Um with
with kids going off to college and

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getting in. Um August 23rd is going to
be the final full day of operations,

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meaning open swim and lap swim. Um they
are going to extend that for another

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week um from 24th to 28th, weather
permitting. They are going to have um

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the lap swims and the aerobics from 7:00
a.m. to 11:00. They're also doing some

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additional work with the high school and
the and the PE classes to get in there.

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Um the on the August 29th and 30th, they
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have recreational swim. So, that'll be
kind of the normal hours. Um right now,

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the plan is that um and then from the
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keeping it open until Labor Day weekend,
weather permitting. Um, and then

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aerobics will be up until the 3. On the
3 will be the dog swim evening. That was

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really fun. Last year there was probably
I I want to say 25 to 30 dogs. I

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actually took pictures and counted.
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» Um, bait your dogs before they come.
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shutting down the pool and going from
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» So, and and I'll just give a public
shout out. um the the folks who have

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worked down the pool this year um have
done a really good job of just stepping

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up and doing what it took to keep it
running and and the feedback has been

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really good.
Um approved events. Uh we had one new

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request on Lion's Park on August 16th.
So that's this coming Sunday. There's an

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event called Church in the Park. It's
actually multiple churches that have

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just reserved the park um for a few
hours that day that will be in the park.

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Thank you.
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um, if all goes according to plan, and
we're halfway through one of two very

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breatholding days,
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but they were able to deal with them
real time, but by the end of day

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tomorrow, they should be done with all
of the water tie-ins for the water

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portion of the project that's done.
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» after Yeah. So, we've got one more day
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clean up and then and then working
toward um pavement. Um so, uh that's

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going to start on the week of the 24th
and and and the way it works is they

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come in and they lay the concrete in the
curbs and this kind of pertains to the

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EDA stuff as well. Um most of the
concrete, there's some of it they do for

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the ADA corners that they do after the
paving. So, there's concrete, get it

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ready, then they pave, and then they'll
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that should be done um by the end of
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sooner than that. Sewer is going to
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Um there is going to be some impact. Um
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before school starts so that they're not
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school.
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» how nice that blue.
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ADA on and and it's folks down on Hower,
you'll see them come in and doing the

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sidewalk and the curb and then they'll
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then come back and and do the
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that.
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» that so Hower taking advant um that's
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the end of this month check online for
the latest dates. We do keep it posted

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and that's up there. But we are on on
the closing and and that my my favorite

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feedback and it's feedback we've heard
several times um is someone will come in

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and say it's absolutely wonderful.
They're doing great. They're fantastic.

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Yes, period. And we're so looking
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that that's a that's part of a statement
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» They last um on the street project they
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Monday if
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there.
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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Soon. Very soon.

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» Um and and there have been a couple of
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I think there was one contractor that
did not understand that that the city

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and aka the contractors are respons are
responsible for restoration when they

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work on those projects and that includes
in the boulevard and grass and

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sprinklers and all that sort of stuff.
Rest assured that the city is aware and

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the contractors are aware. Um but I am
aware of of one or two um workers that

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may not have been aware that that that
is part of the project. So that is being

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addressed.

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Rocky Bank Fort Construction. I'll just
throw out um we are working very hard to

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make sure that is done by the 30th. Um
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the the
FEMA would have to extend it beyond

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that, but more importantly, we're not
sure we can get fish wildlife parks on

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board. There was a question about how to
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what they can do is get the willows and
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They just have to transplant them within
48 hours when they get them in. So, we

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are still working to have that done. I
will throw out that we are going to have

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FEMA is coming to town next Wednesday.
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looking at the site, um they are coming
to basically collect success stories and

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and look at the Rocky Fork. Um, but the
secondary motive is we're going to make

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sure they get a really thorough tour of
Eagle's Nest. This is the people that

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So, we're continuing to work our way up
the line to make sure that the people

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who are approving that project are on
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I think that did Can you think of
anything else from the public works that

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I needed to address?
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» Council member Davis, you had something?
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about the um 50/50 sidewalk that there's
been lots of applications and a lot of

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So it's great people are taking
>> I understand there's one block down

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there from 5th to six that pretty much
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it.
>> Half the block

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» half of one side of the block
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» and and then um council member RDE uh I
have a note that there's a

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sustainability fair September 10th at
the Roosevelt from 2 to 7. Do you want

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to give us some more information on
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» Uh, I'm not sustainability board
anymore, but it's from 2:00 to 7:00 and

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Stephanie Nofall is arranging it and
there'll be vendors and such from 2 to 7

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on the grounds at Roosevelt. That's a
Thursday.

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» The parks board is also up.
>> Oh, parks board.

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» They're Yeah,
>> they haven't asked me anything, but um

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» yeah,
>> but Stephanie's in charge. Yeah. So, but

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anyway, I think there's going to be
music and vendors and

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» the bear guy maybe and
>> inside.

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» No, just I think just in a yard.
>> In a nice new yard.

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» All right.
>> Thank you, Jody, for adding to that for

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me.
>> That's what I have for any other

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homework assignments to address during
this stage of the meeting.

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» All hearing none. And I did your yours
something for later.

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» I'm good. Thank you.
>> All right. Having do that, um, what

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we're going to do is we're going to move
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first of a couple of different options
for public comment. We always start the

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meeting with public comment, which is
the opportunity for the council to hear

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any comments within the council's
purview. Um, and then when we have

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action items, there's always an
opportunity uh for public comment on

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those. Uh, during the public comment,
you'll have three minutes. um you uh

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direct your comments to me, please. Um
and again, it's it's it's comments. It's

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not a it's not a back and forth
conversation or dialogue. Um but we will

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go ahead and open the meeting for public
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» Go ahead. So, come come on up to the
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» That way they can hear it. I I realize
you're just stalling while I get to my

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three minutes, so I appreciate that.
>> Um, actually, I just wanted to

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compliment COP construction. I happen to
be on a block that they've torn up and

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put back together 106 times. It seems
like they haven't, but um,

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» can I get your name for the record? I
forgot to say state your name for the

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record.
>> I'm Sheri McCully.

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» Okay. And uh anyway, they dug a hole to
put in a fire hydrant

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and then they of course to connect the
my water line and then it rained and

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those holes just sunk, sunk, sunk and
they came back and filled them up and

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put top soil over them. They marked my
underground sprinklers. They were

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wonderful to work with. That's just my
public comment.

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» Thank you, Sherry.
All right. Any other public comment?

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Looking to the room.
Seeing none in the room, let me look

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online and see if there's any public
comment. I'm looking for cameras turned

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on or I'm looking for mics off, not on
mute. Anna, I see an unmuted mic. Did

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you wish to make a public comment?

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All right. I'm not hearing anything. So,
I'm assuming that was not intentional.

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And she's there and now it's not muted.
All right.

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Public comment going once.
Public comment going twice.

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» Hey, this is Jeff Wise. Hang on a
second.

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» Go ahead, Jeff. You have the floor for
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» I don't need that much. Uh, this goes to
the Rocky Fork Bank uh project. Um, a

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while back I took some pictures of big
chunks of concrete and um, you know,

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luck from the flood and asphalt over
there by the historical uh, information

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signs. Uh, are they going to be
addressing any of that stuff that's

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still in the creek? That's my question.
Okay. Thanks.

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» All right. Thank Thank you for your
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Any other public comment?

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All right, third time we'll go ahead and
close public comment. Um I I will take

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uh my my option to just respond briefly.
Um the bank stabilization does not

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address the stuff in the creek. That's a
whole bunch of additional permits and

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flooding and they and and the the county
is aware of that which is actually their

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jurisdiction. And so we will continue to
look for opportunities to clean up some

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of the junk that's been in there for
years and years and certainly not

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improved by the flood. Um but to my
understanding that is not part of this

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project.
All right, with that we will um bring it

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back to the table. Um Jeremy, were you
able to find the script that I'm looking

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for for for parks board where we qualify
the board and clarify that this is a

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this n this is quasi judicial in nature
or am I going to have to do it from

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memory?
Uh, I don't Jeff had that list. So, uh,

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he uses that the planning board meetings
for the public hearings. I don't have

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that, but
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that, too. Um, but I just don't know
where I said I'm looking down one more

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time and and we have another one next
week and I'll I'll find it and bring it

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to that. Um but at this point what we
will do um our our our loan action item

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is actually a variance request which is
for the board of adjustments which is

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clarified as our city council.
>> So there are certain things um that come

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directly to the board of adjustments and
bypass planning. This is one of those

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and I'll let um let um Jeremy speak to
that in just a moment. Um and then there

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are sometimes when things go to planning
board and if they wish to appeal a

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decision from planning board then that
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aka city council. So there will be uh an
appeal request that comes in two weeks

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just FYI so that you know. Um and with
that what I'm going to do is I'm going

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to turn the time over to uh Jeremy.
We've got that pen. So he's he's the

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little head up on top there. Um Jeremy,
do you want to go through the the

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process and describe um the boundaries
and what we're here to do tonight?

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» Sure. Thanks, Dave. Uh thanks, council
members. Um appreciate your time

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tonight. Um this uh application is for
524 Grant Avenue South. Uh it's a

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sideyard setback variance request uh
made by Cheryl McCully um who you just

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heard from earlier. Um I did prepare a
staff report for this. Um I will say

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that variance requests have to be or or
any quasi judicial matter in front of

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either the planning board or the city
council has to be reviewed based on the

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merits of the application submitted. Um
and that's based on the criteria that's

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outlined in the zoning regulations or
whatever regulation that you're

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reviewing under. uh whether it be zoning
or subdivision or whatever. Um so in

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this case the staff report was prepared
based on uh the application submitted

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information provided by the applicant
and the specific impacts or

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circumstances of this particular
request.

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uh we do not review uh for potential
impacts uh on future applications that

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may come in to the city for variance
requests. Um that that that future

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variance request is based on that
application at that time, right? And

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that specific those specific
circumstances and those specific

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impacts. Um so based on uh hopefully all
of you have had a chance to review the

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staff report that was prepared for this
uh this variance application. Um I'm

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just going to briefly go through it
since um hopefully you've all had a

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chance to review it. I don't want to
read the entire thing uh because I do

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want to get to the applicants uh
presentation or comments on on on their

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application and then to public comment
and your discussion and questions.

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Uh so as I stated um the uh variance is
for 524 Grant Avenue South which is uh

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legally described as lots 15 and 16 of
block 39 of the BLheimimer edition. Um I

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will make a mention that throughout the
staff report I did notice tonight um as

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I was reviewing going back through the
staff report preparing for the meeting

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that it does incorrectly reference it
that it borders 15th Street. It should

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that is incorrect. It borders 17th
Street. So, I do want to make that

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clarification and I apologize for that.
Um, that was my fault for just

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getting that through the entire staff
report. But, um, where 15th Street right

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away is, it should be 17th Street. Just
just I want to It doesn't change the

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staff report. It doesn't change the
findings. Um, it's just a reference to

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the adjacent street and right ofway. Uh
>> Jeremy, when we when there's a motion to

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accept the staff report, do we want
there to be a motion just to amend all

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references of 15th to 17th just to
include that in the record?

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» Yes.
>> Yep. You you took the words right out of

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my mouth. So
um but yeah uh so this uh uh the this

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public hearing was noticed uh in the
paper uh uh 15 calendar days or minimum

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of 15 calendar days prior to the meeting
and we sent uh joining landowner letters

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um to all adjacent land owners uh around
the property on July 16th

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um or sorry uh the week of July 20th and
the applicant was notified on July 16th

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of this hearing. Um the app the request
is for a reduction in the east side

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required 6-foot uh sideyard setback. Um
the zoning regulations require a 6ft

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sideyard setback for structures uh
within the R2 zoning district. Um the

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00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:11,520
request is to reduce that down to.7 ft
um instead of the 6 ft on the east

413
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:18,159
property boundary adjacent to 17th
Street. Um in this area currently there

414
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:27,039
is a deck um that deck would be removed
uh and replaced with the addition. Um

415
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:33,200
there is uh approximately 10 ft uh uh or
so of

416
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:38,279
um you know pavement area and and from
the proposed addition to the edge of

417
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,279
pavement.

418
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:47,200
See so the the addition does not uh is
not going right up against the uh the

419
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:51,679
existing road surfacing. It is just
close to the existing right-of-way line

420
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:59,240
or property boundary for the prop for
the property.

421
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:59,240
Um let's see.

422
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:10,799
So our our overall the the applicant's
proposal meets uh the sub the zoning

423
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:16,960
regulations for Rad Lodge for the R2
district as far as purpose uh

424
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:21,760
residential parents and um surrounding
uh context. The dimensional standard for

425
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:27,360
the sixoot sideyard setback is the only
request within this uh application.

426
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:33,840
staff recommendation
um is approval with conditions. Um we

427
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:40,159
are proposing
11 conditions um essentially that the

428
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,559
approval is limited to the requested
variance. So it's only limited to that

429
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:48,720
sideyard setback. So no other variance
is requested. So there's no height

430
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:53,840
variance requested. No other no other
variances are requested at this time. So

431
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:57,519
the variance is restricted to that. um
must be in compliance with the plans.

432
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:03,600
The property owner must verify the
property line before construction. Uh

433
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:09,360
they cannot encroach any of the project
within the uh street ride ofway

434
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:15,279
including eaves or any other uh any
other portions of the structure. Um

435
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:20,559
drainage and snow management shall be uh
consistent with current drainage

436
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:28,399
patterns uh that are on the property and
cannot substantially be altered. Um need

437
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:36,080
to get a building uh building permit for
the uh for the structure. Um

438
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:40,559
any utility easements or or utilities or
easements should be protected. So those

439
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:44,799
will need to be marked and protected uh
during construction.

440
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:50,559
Any other permits that are required will
be required. Uh the

441
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:55,840
addition has to maintain the residential
appearance which according to the plans

442
00:33:52,640 --> 00:34:02,880
will um no expansion other than what's
approved in the variance can be done um

443
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:07,600
without a future uh application and
additional approvals. And then this

444
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:15,960
expires within one year if they do not
uh pursue the uh building permit pro

445
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,960
building permits or construction.

446
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:24,000
So the review criteria we have seven
review criteria within the zoning

447
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:30,639
regulations that we have to review for.
We have special conditions uh not result

448
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:38,800
of the applicant's uh anything that the
applicant has done uh strict application

449
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:43,919
uh of the uh regulations is unreasonable
necessary to provide reasonable use of

450
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:49,440
the property minimum variance required
and not injuries

451
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:53,919
um inconsistent with the regulations.
Well, based on uh the analysis that we

452
00:34:52,079 --> 00:35:01,280
have done, I'm not going to read through
every single one of these. Um but staff

453
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:04,560
has staff has determined that um this
request does meet all of these

454
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:09,440
requirements.
Um and again, I I will just reiterate

455
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:16,079
staff does recommend approval of the
variance um to reduce that required six

456
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:23,760
foot south uh sideyard setback to
approximately 7 feet. Um, and then I

457
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:29,760
will just finish up by saying if the
board of adjustment uh chooses to go a

458
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:35,119
different direction as in denial of the
variance then you need to make a

459
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:41,839
specific finding as to why you are
denying the variance in conjunction with

460
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:48,079
those seven criteria. So it it has to be
that you you do not consider that they

461
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:54,880
have a special condition and why or you
you you do not feel that um it's it's or

462
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:59,760
you feel it is injurious to the
neighborhood or detrit to public welfare

463
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:04,880
and why right so you need to make
findings as to why you are denying the

464
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:09,599
the the variance application when you
make your uh um when you make your

465
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,119
motion.
With that, I will turn it back over to

466
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:16,160
you,
Dave.

467
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:22,880
» All right. So, at this point, what we'll
do is we will open up to questions to

468
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:26,720
Jeremy on the stack report from the
table. So, if you have any questions

469
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:30,800
about anything in here and what it means
or if you want to dig or pry into some

470
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:35,119
of the findings, this is your
opportunity for the table to directly

471
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,720
ask questions and have Jeremy answer
those questions. After that, by the way,

472
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,400
what we will then do is we will then go
to the applicant who will who will be

473
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,680
able to address comments and that's part
of the reason we're doing kind of the

474
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,920
questions first. That gives them a feel
for where things are going. Um, and then

475
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:55,119
we'll bring it back and and do a public
hearing before we make our final action.

476
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:57,680
So, at this time, um, um, Council Member
Davis, go ahead.

477
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:02,000
» Um, I was just thinking earlier, and I
may have missed it in the paperwork, but

478
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:06,640
so no neighbors need to be involved in
any of this because it's just our two

479
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:11,119
zones. Jeremy, do you want to speak to
that please?

480
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:14,720
» The question was, do the neighbors need
to be involved in this discussion? Is

481
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:20,640
that what you said?
>> Notification notified.

482
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:24,160
» Whatification is required? What was
done? Thank you.

483
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:28,000
» We we sent uh notification of this
public hearing to all adjoin adjacent

484
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:32,320
land owners, even the land owners across
the street rights of way so they could

485
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:36,400
participate in this public hearing and
or provide written public comment to the

486
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:40,160
board of adjustment.
>> Okay, great. Thank you.

487
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,720
» And did you receive any feedback in
written?

488
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:48,160
» I did not.
>> Other questions from the table looking

489
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:52,400
for hands? That was my question is if
there had been any other feedback

490
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:57,920
negative or positive
from neighbors.

491
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:03,280
» I have only one question. Is there any
concern of this building like the

492
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:08,079
extension of it creating any sort of
hazard with view uh on an intersection?

493
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,000
That would be the only thing that I have
on it.

494
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,720
» Jim Ray, would you like to speak to that
please?

495
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:16,880
» Yep. I did look at that and the addition
is well back from the uh from the

496
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:21,359
intersection and I don't have any
concerns with site vision triangle.

497
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:27,359
» Perfect. Thank you.
>> I I will share that um the information

498
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:32,400
was also relayed on to the building
inspector and fire and that was a

499
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:35,839
specific uh issue that was looked at and
considered.

500
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:41,440
» Yep.
>> Any other further questions from the um

501
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:45,680
council member Davis? Um, just a note on
page seven of seven under public

502
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,800
comment, it just says no public comment
has be received. So,

503
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,640
» I don't know if it's official document,
but

504
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,560
» it it is. I just want to validate. We
haven't heard anything since then as

505
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,079
well.
>> Been received is what she was trying to

506
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,240
say.
>> Yeah.

507
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,280
» Okay. Typo on seven.
>> Seven months ago.

508
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:03,040
» Okay. We can we can do that without we
can do that without an edit.

509
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,359
» Yeah.
>> He received.

510
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,400
» All right. Sorry, I'm slow.
>> No. No.

511
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:15,119
» All right. Any other questions from
staff before we give the applicant an

512
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:18,560
opportunity to speak to council?
Seeing none, if you would like to come

513
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:23,599
speak to council, this is not a timed
activity. Um, so so I'll I'll cut you

514
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:31,440
off if you get carried away, but but
please point for keeping it short. No,

515
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:37,680
» my name is Sheri McCully. I live at 524
Grant Avenue South. I have lived there

516
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:43,359
for 38 years.
My husband and I are in our seven days.

517
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:48,960
My husband is handicapped. He has a
walker.

518
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:54,960
And uh I went through every every hoop.
I had my land surveyed. I'm on a corner

519
00:39:52,400 --> 00:40:00,160
lot. I had my land surveyed. And of
course, the home was built in 1925. So,

520
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:07,200
as you can imagine,
my neighbor lives in my yard on on my

521
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:16,400
north side, which of course created the
six-foot setback on the south side. Um,

522
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:24,000
when I started my remodel project, all
I'm trying to do is move my laundry and

523
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:30,320
a handicap bathroom accessible so we can
remain there the rest of our lives. Um,

524
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:35,520
it doesn't affect I mean, if you look up
and down the street, my project is not

525
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:41,359
going to stick out any further than my
neighbor's garage. My garage,

526
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:44,480
you know, it's just the timing of the
beast.

527
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:48,960
» If I had have known that I was going to
stay here for all these years, I'd

528
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:54,400
probably I couldn't afford it before.
Anyway, the goal is to to make my home

529
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,520
habitable so my husband and I can remain
there until we can't.

530
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,960
» Perfect.
>> May I ask this question? Can I have you

531
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:03,839
speak to one of the requirements they
give us

532
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,800
» is is
an an undue hardship. Can you speak

533
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,839
about some other alternatives or plans
you kind of looked out on the layout in

534
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:16,480
the land and and why you selected this
one?

535
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:23,599
» Just the way that my home is laid out.
The only economically

536
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:32,079
feasible approach is to go south. If I
were to go um I would definitely have to

537
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:36,240
admit if I were to go to the the west
that would increase my dining room and

538
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,839
give me
but it's not going to do me any good. I

539
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:46,560
don't need a bigger dining room. I need
a bathroom. If I were to go to the east,

540
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:52,800
um, that would connect to my bedroom,
but I would have to change the entire

541
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:58,319
roof line. Um,
it's not economically feasible.

542
00:41:55,839 --> 00:42:02,240
» Um, can I ask does where you're putting
the bathroom, does it share a wall with

543
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,680
other water and sewer right there, too?
So, it's

544
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:10,400
» Yes. So because that's I know that is a
huge expense if you have to create a

545
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,880
whole new water plumbing another section
of the house.

546
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:18,880
» Mark checker here my
>> my contractor and moral support. I mean

547
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:24,319
we've looked at it from every angle we
possibly can.

548
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:28,400
And um yeah if I had a bazillion dollars
first off I wouldn't need a variance.

549
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:32,079
I'd buy a new house. So you know we
tried to look at it from the shortest

550
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:36,640
distance between two points
>> that we could afford.

551
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,280
And that's what it is.
>> Any other questions from the table for

552
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,280
the applicant?
>> I just want to say that Sherry, I drove

553
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:47,760
by the other day and I think it's great
and I salute you. We're going to hear

554
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:52,000
from a lot of people who want to live in
their homes for a long time and and

555
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:56,480
you're doing the right thing. So,
>> talk to people at the Roosevelt Center

556
00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:03,680
and I mean they're always trying to look
for ways to find senior living. You

557
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:08,800
know, I have it. Just help me. Help me
make I I'll tell you how desperate we

558
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:15,520
were. I switched We've been married 40
years. I switched sides of bed with him

559
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:19,359
so he could get Yeah, that's been
exactly.

560
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:24,000
» Yeah. So, there you have it. Don't tell
me I didn't try.

561
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:28,240
I didn't sleep for a month.
>> Any any other questions for the

562
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:32,079
applicant from the table?
>> All right. Hearing none, thank you. We

563
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,720
reserve the right to call you back, but
go ahead and have a seat.

564
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,160
» Thank you.
>> Um

565
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:42,480
Jeremy, please correct me if I'm wrong
on the procedure here, but I believe we

566
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,960
do go to public comment at this point.
>> Yes, you would open up to public

567
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,079
comment.
>> All right. So, I'm going to go ahead and

568
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:52,240
open this at public comment. The same
rules apply. If you will direct your

569
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,440
comments to me, you will be limited to
three minutes. Please start your

570
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,760
comments by identifying yourself for the
record and we'll go from there. Open

571
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:06,319
public comment. And I'll start by
looking to the room.

572
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Seeing none, I'm looking online.
Public comment going once.

573
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:17,839
Public comment going twice.
Public Oh, go ahead. Uh Jeff, I see

574
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:22,400
you're unmuted mic. You have the floor
for three minutes.

575
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:26,800
» Yeah. Yeah. I just I guess I just kind
of wanted to raise this Jeff.

576
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:34,160
» Identify yourself. Yeah,
>> Jeff Debenadetto, 317, uh, South Hagen.

577
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:40,560
Um, also chair of the Red Lodge Planning
Board. And I just kind of wanted to just

578
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:49,280
raise the issue about setting precedent.
Um, and and two two things that kind of

579
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:56,640
struck out to me. One was was whether
whether this was really meeting the

580
00:44:52,000 --> 00:45:02,240
conditions for strict act application
um is is unreasonable. a strict

581
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:11,040
application of the of the zoning is
unreasonable and and I think um it's

582
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:15,440
hard to see where where this would be
the situation would be any different

583
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:21,200
than than any other residence within
town within town. It's basically

584
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:29,040
adhering to the existing uh layout of of
the plat and lot layout of of the city

585
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:36,319
throughout. And I my concern is that
if you follow kind of the logic in the

586
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:41,520
staff report, um anybody any resident in
town could apply for a variance to

587
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:47,839
setbacks and and it doesn't seem didn't
seem like that really met this criteria.

588
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:55,520
The the la the other comment I'd like to
make is the 7 leaving 10.7

589
00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:02,720
ft of space between the proposed
addition and the city rightway. And I

590
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:10,560
guess it has to do with the future um
construction of of gutter and sidewalk

591
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:15,599
and curb. Um,
this block doesn't have existing

592
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:22,079
sidewalks, but the block to the west and
the block to the east does. And I'm kind

593
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:27,200
of just I just kind of wonder with it
being so tight, what sort of constraints

594
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:32,079
are going to entail when the city does
come through and install curb and

595
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:38,880
sutter, gutter, and sidewalk. um with
only 7/10 of a of a foot of space

596
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:46,000
between uh the rideway and the proposed
addition. Um those are just basically

597
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:51,040
the two comments I had.
Thank you, Jeff. Any other public

598
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:54,720
comment?
We'd already done a public comment going

599
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:59,359
twice, so I'll make this public comment
going three times.

600
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:03,599
See, no additional public comment. I
will go ahead and bring it back to the

601
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:07,920
table. Um Jeremy, could I get you to
speak just to for a moment to the

602
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:10,920
comments we've heard uh during public
comment?

603
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:18,480
» Sure. Um
I yeah I mean as to precedent uh again I

604
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:25,520
I
every application has to be reviewed on

605
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:30,720
the merits of that application not what
the effects of that will be on other

606
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,880
properties within the city because every
piece of property in the city is

607
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:42,640
developed differently and has different
circumstances. And so I would caution

608
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:48,160
against uh precedent. Um again we we
review for for these seven criteria on

609
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:52,720
every application. Technically any lot
in the city can apply for a variance of

610
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:58,880
any development standard in the zoning
regulations at any time. So, we as a

611
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:02,720
city or staff cannot prevent somebody
from requesting a variance if they

612
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:07,680
choose to go through that process and
come before the board of adjustment um

613
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:11,599
and make their case. Um they can do
that. Um, there are situations where

614
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:16,640
I've had in the past in other
jurisdictions where I have recommended

615
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:23,520
denial of variances because they had uh
clear other alternatives to their

616
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:29,359
project or the impact was too great on
an adjacent property that I felt it

617
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:34,640
didn't warrant granting a variance. And
so in this case, I don't have those

618
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:41,359
concerns. I I will say if they had
proposed this addition to the north uh

619
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:46,720
towards the adjacent property uh uh
owner um and they were proposed to be.7

620
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:51,599
ft from the adjacent property to the
north, I would have recommended denial

621
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:55,680
because they their impact on that
property owner would have been uh would

622
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:00,880
have been something that could not be
mitigated. Okay. But because this is

623
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:05,920
going towards the street rightway um and
it's outside the site vision triangle

624
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:11,280
and all of the proposal is within the
limits of the property um and the other

625
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:18,000
reasons outlined in the staff I felt
that this uh my recommendation for

626
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:22,880
approval was warranted. Um as for
development within the city rideway uh

627
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:27,839
again this this is within the property
boundaries. So typically sidewalk is 1

628
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:32,559
ft off of the property boundary. It's
not right on the property boundary. So

629
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:38,480
this addition would in theory be a foot
and a half well just shy of 2 feet from

630
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:43,200
any edge of sidewalk uh if a future
sidewalk went through here. Um and then

631
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:48,640
I the other thing I would point out is
that in other in other zoning districts

632
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:53,599
we have zero lot line setbacks and
sidewalks are right up next to those

633
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:59,119
those buildings as well. So, I guess I
did don't find that a concern in in in

634
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:03,280
in my analysis, but um and I'll just
leave it at that.

635
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:07,119
» Right. Thank you, Jeremy. Is there any
other questions from the table before we

636
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:15,040
proceed?
>> Um I do have one question in terms of

637
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:17,280
the uh qualifiers because I don't
remember them all off the top of my

638
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:22,160
head, but
>> they're in staff report. No, I mean the

639
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,400
the qualifications of the board of
>> ad. Yep. And I'm going to do that in

640
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,960
just a second. Okay.
>> So, do you have that?

641
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,960
» I I I don't, but I do remember it
somewhat. So, we're to test my memory.

642
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,839
» Okay.
>> So, that is our next step.

643
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:35,200
» Okay. Perfect. And I will wait for that
because if I recall, there is something

644
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:40,160
about correspondence.
>> Yep. So, that's the first question. All

645
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:45,599
right. Hearing no other Oh, go ahead.
Uh, council member Daniels question.

646
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:50,000
just to ensure that I'm actually like I
pulled up an image of Google Maps just

647
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:56,480
to verify that I'm actually looking at
the right section. So it's it's the

648
00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:01,319
going old school here. If you're facing
the old dead like it's that that

649
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,839
» old school
>> I like I remember

650
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:13,520
» back in the summer of hawk six.
>> Okay. Hey plunge.

651
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:16,000
» The old plunge. The old plunge. I got to
>> Yep. All right.

652
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:19,280
» I've been I've lived here since the old
son because that's how long I've been.

653
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:23,359
» Okay. I also remember when you and
Dennis were getting married, so that

654
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:28,720
can't be that long ago. I don't agree to
that. Um, and then there's I I am

655
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:32,800
noticing that there is a sidewalk on the
adjacent side of the road. So,

656
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,359
» that one's already Okay. Sorry.
>> Are we done? Just thinking out loud.

657
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,720
That's okay. You're at the table. That's
allowed.

658
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,200
» Thank you.
>> All right.

659
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:44,559
» Oh, glory. So now we're now we're going
to test my four years of my memory from

660
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:49,839
four years on the planning board. So the
nature before us is quasi judicial in

661
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:53,520
nature which basically means that you
are not acting in a legislative

662
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:58,000
capacity. You are acting in a quasi
judicial capacity.

663
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:02,559
As such uh what we do is we start by
qualifying the board. Is there anyone at

664
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:07,599
the table who has any exparte
communications they wish slash need to

665
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:11,440
disclose at this point of time? That
would be any conversations with the

666
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:15,040
applicants or anybody that's involved
that the board would need to be aware of

667
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:18,559
that you have those communications.
Council member Tupin,

668
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:22,640
» I have had a conversation with Sher I
think like two years ago about this

669
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:26,160
» and just
>> she must have been on a board that I

670
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,800
thought I
at this for two years.

671
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:32,240
» Yeah, she's been at it for a minute. So
again, she did bring up that this was

672
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:38,960
something that she was looking at doing.
She wasn't like bribing me or making any

673
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:43,839
any threats or anything. Just more so
letting me know of the nature of it. And

674
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:48,240
I think just knowing that I'm involved
in real estate and have education in

675
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:51,280
this is kind of looking for direction.
So I just want to make that clear

676
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,400
» and and that's that's exactly what that
opportunity is for is to make sure that

677
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,599
if there's any exparte communication,
it's out in the open and everybody's on

678
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:04,160
board with it.
>> Any other exparte communication anyone

679
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:08,319
wishes to share? All right. Is there any
reason that any board member feels that

680
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,920
they have a conflict of interest or need
to recuse themselves from this

681
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:15,280
situation?
>> No.

682
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:20,000
» All right. Hearing none, let the record
show that the board has been qualified.

683
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:24,640
The matter before us is quasi
duditionial in nature. And at this

684
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:29,200
point, what I'm looking at is a series
of motions that are on page three,

685
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:32,319
halfway down the staff report. Um
there's a move to adopt the staff

686
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,599
report. Uh we've heard with amendments
and then there's separately a move to

687
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:42,079
approve or deny the variance. I will
entertain motion at this time.

688
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:45,079
» Uh I move to adopt the staff report
VAR-2026-01

689
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:53,200
as the board of adjustment findings of
facts and conclusions.

690
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,119
Do you wish that to include any
amendments like

691
00:53:54,079 --> 00:54:01,839
» uh as amended to or to amend with the
amendment uh to change any instance of

692
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,000
15th Street to 17th Street?
>> I have a second.

693
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:11,000
» I have a motion from council member
Tupin, a second from council member

694
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,000
Ronnie. Any discussion at the table?

695
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:18,079
» All right, hearing none and fully
expecting Jeremy to jump in or Ronnie to

696
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:22,160
jump in if I misstep at all. Um, I will
go ahead and have a roll call on the

697
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,280
motion to adopt.
>> Yes.

698
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,400
» Daniel,
>> yes.

699
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:25,440
» David,
>> yes.

700
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,480
» Ronnie,
>> yes.

701
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,520
» Rude,
>> yes.

702
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:32,559
» Tupin,
>> yes.

703
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:41,480
» All right. 6. Motion to adopt carries.
I'll entertain a motion on the variance.

704
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:41,480
I move to approve variance BR202601

705
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:55,119
to reduce the required southside yard
setback from 6 ft to approximately 0.7

706
00:54:50,800 --> 00:55:02,079
ft for the residential addition at 524
Grant Avenue South bordering 17th Street

707
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:05,040
subject to the conditions stated in this
staff report.

708
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:10,079
» I will second. I have a motion from
council member RDE, a second from

709
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:14,559
council member Ronnie. Discussion at the
table.

710
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,680
Hearing none. Can I get a roll call,
please?

711
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,640
» Madd,
>> yes.

712
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:17,680
» Daniel,
>> yes.

713
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:19,040
» David,
>> yes. Ronnie,

714
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,480
» yes.
>> Rude,

715
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:25,119
» yes.
>> Yes.

716
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:27,760
» 6. The motion passes.
Thank you for your time and good luck on

717
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,319
your project.
>> Good luck you guys.

718
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:36,400
» Thank you everyone.
Thank you, Jeremy.

719
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:40,079
» All right. Uh, thank you, Jeremy. If if
you wish to go at this point, uh, thank

720
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:43,920
you. Your time is is very much
appreciated. And go have a lovely

721
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:47,839
evening, and we'll look forward to
non-billable evening from here on out.

722
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:52,079
» All right.
>> You always got to throw that in there,

723
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:55,280
don't you, Dave?
>> I just want to make sure you stop the

724
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,599
clock on the way out.
>> All right.

725
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:02,240
» Thank you for being here.
>> Thanks, everyone. Bye.

726
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:06,720
All right, with that we will go ahead
and close the action portion of our

727
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:12,400
meeting and uh we will bring it back to
the table. For those who have not had

728
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:15,440
the opportunity to um join council
meetings in the past, the second half of

729
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:20,400
our council meetings are basically a
work session. This is where we talk

730
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:24,240
about the stuff that is coming up and
give cha council a chance to talk

731
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:31,200
amongst themselves outside of just the
standing committees and to um make sure

732
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:36,720
that we're ready for action in future
meetings. We will start with the admin

733
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:40,160
and finance standing committee and for
that I will look to committee chair

734
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:43,920
Ronning to lead us through that
discussion.

735
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:50,559
» Okay. Well, up first is our budget
review and that takes up the majority of

736
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:57,520
our packet today. Um, first up in the
packet was the draft resolution um that

737
00:56:54,799 --> 00:57:05,599
we we will be passing will be at our
next meeting um for to adopt the 2627

738
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:09,680
budget. And um it's broken down into our
different categories. Um general, comp

739
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,440
insurance, health insurance, PERS,
police, retire, all the way down

740
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:22,200
including solid waste, water, sewer,
operating. And as you can see um our

741
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:22,200
property tax revenue is $919,168.

742
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:29,240
Our um non-t tax resources are
27,543,922.

743
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:36,200
and our total requirement for that
budget is 28,463,090.

744
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:47,200
And then after that, it gets into the
weeds of what's behind all of those

745
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:54,000
numbers. Um, first up is our revenue
side. Um, the spreadsheet in there. Um,

746
00:57:51,119 --> 00:58:00,880
the value of the mill, as we figured,
went up considerably. Um so what we will

747
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:10,720
actually be assessing or allowed to
access um is 63.02 mills. Um 49

748
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:16,799
of that will be part of our general
fund. The other goes towards the comp

749
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:21,200
insurance health you know all all of
that police retirement and that's broken

750
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:27,680
down in that resolution how that's that
is. So 686,339

751
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:35,760
is what's going into our general fund.
So that that is our

752
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:40,559
revenue side. Um if you go to the second
page, it breaks down our non-levied

753
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:47,920
funds. So that's not property taxes.
That's where we get our water, our sewer

754
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:54,559
fees, our solid waste, our recycling. Um
it also includes um our resort tax. Um

755
00:58:51,839 --> 00:59:01,760
and if you look at that um it has what
we currently have um cash available plus

756
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:06,079
what we're estimating to collect um
which begin you know then we have our

757
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:12,240
total resources. So that's what we are
estimating we can spend um if we need

758
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:17,440
to. Um does anybody have any questions
on those revenue sides?

759
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:22,799
Please speak up. I want everyone to
understand this when you vote on it and

760
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,839
Um,
>> Council Member Davis, go ahead.

761
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:30,559
» Um, thank you for letting me ask
questions. Um, how does this compare

762
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:35,280
from last year? What went into the
general fund from the mill?

763
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:39,520
» A lot less.
>> Not a lot less. So, so we only get a

764
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:44,480
certain amount of like money and then
the money is determined on the mill.

765
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:51,280
» So, so yeah. And and and we'll and I'll
I'll address again I'll I'll bring the

766
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:56,240
the kind of the special presentation. So
there's almost a twostep process is how

767
00:59:54,079 --> 01:00:00,160
we get to this. So people always think
about oh my prop my property got

768
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,680
evaluated and the property went up this
much in value therefore my taxes are

769
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:07,920
going to go up. And if you read actually
as those and I interestingly enough I

770
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:11,599
just read minded um that that came out
this week and one of the things it calls

771
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:17,440
out is your property taxes are not going
to go up by the same amount necessarily.

772
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:24,960
So what happens is the amount that the
city is allowed to collect in property

773
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:32,000
taxes is set by the legislature.
Last year they modified it for the 25

774
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:36,799
years prior to that. It was allowed to
go up 1/2 the average rate of inflation

775
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:41,359
over the last 3 years. So take last
year's amount, figure out what the

776
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:45,920
average rate of inflation was,
and that's how much we get to go up. So

777
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:49,680
that's step one and and it has still
done that other than they now said we

778
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:52,960
can use the actual rate of inflation and
Lonnie I apologize I looked at the form

779
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:56,319
you sent and I couldn't see the number
on there

780
01:00:53,680 --> 01:01:00,160
» it's like 2 it's like the second line in
that formula

781
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:06,480
» so so it's like it's like 2x% so
whatever we got last year we get that

782
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:12,400
plus new development plus 2x% so then
the second part of that equation

783
01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:15,520
is how many mills
does it take to get to that amount of

784
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:18,160
money.
>> Okay?

785
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:25,040
» And so that's where your property taxes
come in because a mill by definition is

786
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:31,200
1 1,000th of 1% of the entire value of
the city.

787
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:38,880
So what happens is if property values go
up, the value of the city goes up.

788
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:42,880
Therefore, the value of 1/ 10,000 goes
up.

789
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:46,880
And therefore, it takes less of those to
get to the dollar amount that we

790
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:51,200
established in step one.
>> The value of the mill went up to

791
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:55,599
$14,615.
>> And so last the biggest difference

792
01:01:53,280 --> 01:02:01,520
you'll see if you compare these to last
year is last year rather than 63 meals,

793
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,880
we had 90
Jeremy, do you remember off the top of

794
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:10,400
your head? 92 point something.
>> Yeah. So we went from 92 or 93 ms down

795
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:18,240
to 63 m. So you think, oh no, we only
got we got a third less. No, we got 2.x%

796
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:24,280
more, but how many frog skins did we
have to collect to get there? 63 versus

797
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,280
93.

798
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:31,760
» So the previous year was 2.11% for the
current year inflation adjustment. This

799
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:38,480
year it's 2.97%.
>> So So we got 2.97 over last year.

800
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:43,440
» Okay. Thank you. And and if anybody is
listening and has any questions, you are

801
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:47,119
welcome to to call the city. Um you can
you can call and speak to the clerk. You

802
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:51,839
can call and speak to me and I will do
my very best. Um hopefully you should be

803
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:55,119
able to call and speak to to um your
council members and they will pull any

804
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:59,200
of us in to help if if they need it. But
I appreciate the fact that people are

805
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:04,720
asking questions. That's that the the
most the more we can do to help people

806
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:09,680
apply that the better it is. Now, one of
the things that is worth noting um and

807
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:14,960
this will we'll hopefully we'll have uh
this all finalized um by the time we

808
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:19,839
adopt the budget.
We have some obligations.

809
01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:24,160
Most specifically
um our obligation, we outsource our fire

810
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:28,559
protection services
>> to the Red Lodge Fire District. That's

811
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:33,039
not actually a city service. And our
current contract is that we pay them 28

812
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:41,440
mills.
28 ms is a lot bigger share of 63 mills

813
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:46,799
than it is of 93 mills. And in the past
when we've broken that out, we we saw it

814
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:54,400
go from 20% of our
property tax general budget to 30%. This

815
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:59,200
year we're pushing up close to 50. The
good news is that we have been and are

816
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:05,200
in the process of finalizing uh
negotiations with the fire district to

817
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:09,119
change away from that millsbased
contract in the negotiations. So we we

818
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:14,480
saw this coming and we've been working
at it for a couple of years quite

819
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:21,920
frankly um in anticipation of what we
saw in our crystal balls foggy as they

820
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:25,920
may be. Um, and so, uh, I I I feel very
happy and comfortable with that and glad

821
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:28,960
we were able to get that addressed.
Um, so that's the most significant. With

822
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:32,640
that, I'll shut up and turn things back
over to Council President Ronnie, who

823
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:36,880
happens to be the the committee chair,
too.

824
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:42,240
» Um, so I guess, you know, the revenue
side, um, if you just go down through

825
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:47,440
those funds, it includes, you know,
number one, the urban renewal tip

826
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:51,839
district. Um we have not spent any money
out of that yet. Um any requests for

827
01:04:49,920 --> 01:05:00,720
that money will go to council for
approval. Um the resort tax um we have

828
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:07,440
currently 1.5 million in cash available
and we pick

829
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:13,039
we put 2 million 2 million in for
collections and that's the 3% and we do

830
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:19,039
put that high. We don't budget all of
that because we have to collect it to

831
01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:24,480
spend it. Um, so that's why there's a
cash reserve of $691,000.

832
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:27,440
Um, because we did not budget the whole
$2 million.

833
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:32,319
» May I add just one little thing to that?
>> Yes, please.

834
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:37,920
» We The flip side of that is we cannot
spend it if we did not budget for it.

835
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:43,280
So, for the past several years, ever
since when I was on council and we got

836
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:48,000
bit one year, um we collected more
resort tax than anticipated and the city

837
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:51,920
was not able to utilize that. So, as you
look at the resort tax budget, um since

838
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:58,799
that point in time, you will generally
see a pretty large budget line item uh

839
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:03,039
along the lines of pay off the pool
early, for instance.

840
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:07,599
um you don't have to pay off the pool
early, but if for some reason we have a

841
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:12,880
stellar year in resort tax, it gives us
the ability to utilize it for that,

842
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:17,200
» but we have to have we have to have
accommodated it within the budget in

843
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:23,760
order for us to have that benefit.
>> Yes.

844
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:29,119
» Um next is library. Um, and the majority
of the library budget is actually paid

845
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:32,240
through the county. It's a separate line
item on your property taxes, but the

846
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,520
city
>> that's not the that's their special

847
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,760
account.
>> Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

848
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:41,440
» In the general fund.
>> Oh, okay.

849
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:45,119
» So, that the library has their own their
own.

850
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:48,480
» You're thinking the other
that one right there is all of your

851
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:52,240
funds that are not
>> right. So, it's a library levy. This is

852
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:55,119
just the city stuff though,
>> correct? The library falls under general

853
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,960
fund.
>> This is general I mean this

854
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:03,359
» where's the general fund on here then?
>> It's not because there's two separate

855
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:08,799
sheets. So you have your non- ley funds
which is like the funds that are only

856
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:12,400
sustained by what is that the big one.
>> Okay.

857
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:18,000
» The other one is the nonederal
funds.

858
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:21,520
» Oh so yeah they are the income then
>> yes. So like the library what they get

859
01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:27,280
from the county is in the non- tax
revenue. Okay. So I apologize then.

860
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:30,319
Okay. So so we don't have that itemized
out.

861
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:35,599
» Okay. Perfect. Okay. Thank you.
>> It is it does show on the revenues on

862
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:40,319
the other sheets the all the
>> right. Yeah because we do have expenses

863
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:44,480
and revenues here
itemized. So yeah. So

864
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:49,039
» you were just assuming what this was
summarizing.

865
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:53,599
» I apologize. Yes. Okay. So yes, so these
are non-levied funds. I apologize. So um

866
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:57,520
and this is revenue coming in. Um and
you'll also notice building code

867
01:07:55,119 --> 01:08:02,880
enforcement. They all of those are the
building code fees. Um those most of

868
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:09,039
these are what we call enterprise funds.
Their income can only be used for that

869
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:14,880
department. Um specifically um you know
that would be building codes, water,

870
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:19,279
sewer, solid waste, recycling. Um, you
know, we don't co-mingle those at all.

871
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:21,199
» We're we're allowed to put money into
them, but money does not come out,

872
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:24,080
» right?
>> And we don't put money in because we

873
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:29,679
don't have money to put in.
>> You can do transfers from fund like

874
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:32,560
inter inner fund transfers and stuff,
but they have to be budgeted just like

875
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:34,480
we did with
>> storm water. Um,

876
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:40,159
» right.
>> I think they we transferred money from

877
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:43,759
storm water last year into the EDA to
help with that project.

878
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:45,759
» Okay. So that's kind of
>> Okay.

879
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:47,920
» But that was that was within the scopes
of what that was could be used for

880
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:51,600
specifically,
>> right? Okay.

881
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:56,239
» But but but but your your water bill
money cannot be used to help pay for

882
01:08:54,319 --> 01:09:03,679
fire or anything else,
>> right? So anyway, so those are all kind

883
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:10,400
of um laid out there. If anybody has any
questions, let us know. Um go ahead.

884
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:13,359
» Um the disaster emergency fund and the
non-money fund. Okay. Where does that

885
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:18,400
come from?
>> That's FEMA money. So that will be the

886
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:24,159
bank stabilization. Okay. So that that's
coming from like dees and the money that

887
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,960
comes in for there. So that's your tag
for for that. It's just called a

888
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,120
disaster fund.
>> Yeah.

889
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:35,199
» Okay. I didn't know if it was able to be
used for anything else like the

890
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:40,480
» No, no, it has to be the the expenses
for that stuff is paid out of there and

891
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:43,839
then when we get reimbursement, we have
to file for reimbursement. Okay.

892
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:48,799
» It goes back.
>> Yeah. Do we have

893
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:54,560
» Go ahead. No. Oh, do do we have what's
our other disaster emergency fund for

894
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:56,800
community use? Do we have anything?
>> No, that was created when the flood

895
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,480
happened.
>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

896
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:03,920
» So, so the part of the the budget that
we get a lot of say in, which is why

897
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:08,640
that's where a lot of the conversation
in the budget meetings have to do have

898
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:11,679
to do with that those those tax revenues
come from the department because that's

899
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:16,239
the money that we can use for
>> other things at at our as we direct.

900
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:20,320
» Okay. Thank you. And and you'll notice
that a lot of the a couple of these

901
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:25,199
funds don't have any income going into
them because they're we're just saying,

902
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:28,560
you know, we have this fund set aside,
but we there's no more money going into

903
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:34,400
it. So,
>> so you just cash

904
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:39,679
which I'll mention to you the cash. So
these the spreadsheets will change

905
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:44,800
before the final budget in two weeks
because the cash available because some

906
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:49,920
of those claims you guys approved
came out of June last year. So that will

907
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:53,760
affect that cash available because you
have to take it

908
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:57,840
» out of and I am still continuing to to
work with department heads and review

909
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:02,880
budget. So, like I said, this is this is
where we are now, but I anticipate I I

910
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:06,239
will I will bet a whole dollar and those
of you don't I don't go over it. I will

911
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:10,159
bet a dollar this will absolutely be
different in two weeks, but we'll also

912
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,320
be able to explain it.
>> Not a huge change.

913
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:16,159
» No, it's not going to be significant.
We're not going to pull any surprises.

914
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,719
» We're we're we're we're trying to seep
out what's what's available to the

915
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:24,080
public. Yes.
>> Um but but we continue to monitor and

916
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:29,840
edit it. So on the next part of the
budget, the first um is the revenue and

917
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:35,600
we did not have this at our last meeting
and this because we do now know

918
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,679
» expenditures before revenue just so you
know in the packet. So you might have

919
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,679
rearranged yours.
>> I might have

920
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:44,719
but there's two sections expenditures
and revenues.

921
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:49,360
» Yes. So the expenditures and we'll do
expenditures first. That's fine. Um I

922
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:55,120
don't think much has changed since our
last budget. So, um it since the last

923
01:11:52,080 --> 01:12:01,760
time it was in the packet, um the only
thing that may is the fire department

924
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:05,360
correct taking it once that is settled.
>> We we we we've got that pretty close to

925
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:11,440
what set. There's still a discussion
about whether um it's 240 or whether

926
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:18,159
it's 240 plus 2.9%. That discussion. So,
yeah, I I I hear you.

927
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:23,360
Um and then um the other would be the
the 10% out of the resort tax,

928
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:31,120
» which I did look at that after meeting
yesterday. So it would be 149,000

929
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:35,760
um instead of 147. So that's
>> that like there's going to be some small

930
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:40,239
changes here. There there's there's and
again that's just because we are we are

931
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:44,560
making sure that the numbers are all and
and and it's worth mentioning that

932
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:50,960
sometimes in fact every year there is
some post-budget activity that's needing

933
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:52,960
that is a that is a a a budget what's
the word I'm looking for

934
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,640
» adjustment
>> audit

935
01:12:54,080 --> 01:13:00,400
» a budget amendment that also comes to
council

936
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:05,199
» to to to shift things from around so
>> and and like we said last time um the

937
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:09,760
first thing I always look for is if
there's any changes over last year that

938
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:14,159
that percent in that last column, you
know, it's if it's 100% of last time,

939
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:16,960
then it's the same. There's no increase
in it.

940
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:21,120
» So, it's always worth noting, you know,
if all of a sudden it's 500% higher,

941
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:26,080
it's like why what are we doing? You
know, then we ask questions. But you are

942
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:32,159
welcome to please review it line by
line. Each page um is a different fund.

943
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:37,280
Um not each page, but each section
there. The first one is the general fund

944
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:45,520
and it lists everything um that's paid
out of the general fund and that takes

945
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:49,840
up it looks like four five six seven
pages of general fund. So there's a lot

946
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:56,239
of money that that comes out of that
general fund. Um and um but there's a

947
01:13:53,440 --> 01:14:00,640
lot more um money that goes into the
general fund rather than just our

948
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:04,640
property taxes that we collect.
>> Fortunately.

949
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:08,159
» Fortunately. Yes, unfortunately. So, um
you know that please review that so you

950
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:13,440
understand it. If you have any
questions, um be sure to let me know or

951
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:18,400
anyone on admin and finance. Next is
urban renewal tiff district. Um as I

952
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:23,360
said, there's been no money spent out of
that, but it does show their um you know

953
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:26,320
that they're budgeting I guess the full
amount that's in there in case someone

954
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,199
is that right?
>> The only thing we're studying out of

955
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,840
there is the software that the county
uses.

956
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:37,120
» Okay. That's what we have to pay for.
>> And and I think there was actually some

957
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:41,679
trip they paid some expenses I think for
for the the conference that they had out

958
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:44,560
there. Okay. I remember there being a
discussion about doing that and and

959
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,280
getting a determination that it could be
but if they haven't turned in receipts

960
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,640
then it didn't get done for the
software.

961
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:53,280
» Yeah.
>> So um but we are this is the expense

962
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:57,760
side of it. Our preliminary budget is
the entire budget in case we need to in

963
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:01,679
case a project comes up.
>> Yes. It doesn't mean that we're going to

964
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:03,679
spend 614,000.
It just means that

965
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,960
» that's how much is in the savings
account.

966
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:09,920
» Yeah. But we do budget for I mean this
is saying it's budgeted in case we want

967
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:17,920
to use it.
>> Okay. Um resort tax. Um this is very

968
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:21,600
similar to what was
um presented by the resort tax

969
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:27,679
committee. Did you make any changes to
it compared to that? So that that's all

970
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:34,320
there. Um
and then we have the insurance

971
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:38,960
comprehensive insurance liability
insurance

972
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:41,760
» which includes um our property insurance
and our liability insurance. So that's

973
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:45,280
the combination
>> that's what we pay pretty much.

974
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:49,440
though.
>> I'm sorry. That's county.

975
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:56,080
» Sorry, wrong one.
>> Okay. So, okay. And then, um, we have

976
01:15:52,560 --> 01:16:00,560
the library. Here is their expenses that
we, um, it looks like

977
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:05,360
» that's their separate fund.
>> Okay.

978
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:09,040
And so, that's not what we give the
library. Is this

979
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:14,159
» No, that's a whole separate fund that
it's a um they created a long time ago,

980
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,560
but it's strictly for
>> Okay.

981
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:24,960
» certain library services.
>> Okay. So, and then we have disaster,

982
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:28,000
it says. Um and that's where the repair
and maintenance bank stabilization is

983
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:31,120
at.
>> Yep.

984
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:34,560
» Okay. Sorry, I'll try to hurry up. group
health insurance.

985
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:38,960
» And and by the way, this this budget is
available just inside the door. Um as

986
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:42,800
well as being online electronically in
the packet, there's a hard copy here. Um

987
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:46,640
and the public is welcome to stop by the
chat and go through line by line.

988
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:49,840
» Yes, please. So, it's it's all here. If
you have any questions, I don't really

989
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:53,120
want to read through it line by line,
but we will if we need to.

990
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:57,840
» I have an idea.
>> This is what I do because I don't

991
01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:03,920
understand this. I go to YouTube and
they're wonderful people making

992
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:08,000
vid videos to explain every one of
because every municipality in this world

993
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:12,880
is doing what we're doing and they are
very helpful to me because

994
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:16,719
» sometimes they even make me laugh. But
I'm just saying there if you have if

995
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:20,800
you're get hung up on something go to
YouTube and AI is very patient with me.

996
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:26,000
» Yes.
Uh I just wanted to make a note that one

997
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:31,280
thing that's worth noting is some things
are paid out of multiple funds.

998
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:33,280
» So you may see additional line items
where

999
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:38,719
» 80%
>> Yeah. And that I just think is very

1000
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:41,520
valuable to note that you know there's
some things that are being paid out

1001
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:45,600
additional places.
>> AB absolutely and and that's especially

1002
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:50,400
true with um salaries.
>> Yeah. Yep. So not the police department,

1003
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:53,679
police is the police, but definitely
>> caps the caps.

1004
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:57,360
» I tried to note pretty much all of the
like the things that are separated the

1005
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:02,640
percentage of
>> and and just to just to reiterate um a

1006
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:06,719
point that that uh committee chair
Ronnie made earlier. If you go through

1007
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:10,320
this line by line um and have something
you have a question about or a change or

1008
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:14,480
a recommendation or some something you
just want to understand, please identify

1009
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,920
that within the next week so that we
have a time to do it. that that when

1010
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:21,679
when when we're passing it at this time,
it's not not a time to be reinventing.

1011
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:26,080
» Um, so,
>> right. And then the next section is the

1012
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:31,280
revenue. And once again, it just goes by
section by section. So, if it's easier

1013
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:34,880
for you to take and, you know, put put
the general fund by the general fund.

1014
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:41,280
You can see the revenue coming in versus
what we're spending to spend. But that's

1015
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:45,040
also where the spreadsheet comes in, you
know, the summary of it,

1016
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:50,000
» the summary. So, and then our resolution
will be a summary of that. So, that

1017
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:53,120
that's how it's broken down. Um, but is
there any other questions, guys? I don't

1018
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:58,159
really want to go all through the
revenue side, please.

1019
01:18:55,760 --> 01:19:00,960
» Unless you want to be here till 10:00.
>> No. All right.

1020
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:06,239
» All right. Thank you.
>> And and by the way, I would I love I by

1021
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:08,560
all indications, sound is working, video
is working. So, if you have anybody who

1022
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:12,320
reaches out and have questions about the
budget, I think this has been a fairly

1023
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:13,840
good discussion on it. And so folks are
welcome to review that.

1024
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,880
» Yes.
>> All right. Your next item.

1025
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:20,880
» Oh, my next item. Okay. City
administrator position update on that

1026
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:27,679
please.
>> Oh, that so so we have signed the

1027
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:35,760
agreement with Proffman. Um they will be
coming to the they will be attending via

1028
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:42,080
Zoom um the uh admin meeting in a couple
of weeks. Um, prior to that point in

1029
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:48,239
time, they are actually reaching out and
conducting interviews um with with some

1030
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:54,719
council members, with some staff, um
with some community members as we refine

1031
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:58,320
um that job description. Uh when we're
done, basically council's going to sign

1032
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:01,679
off and define what that job position
looks like and what its rules and

1033
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:08,000
parameters are. Um which is why they'll
be coming back in in a couple of weeks.

1034
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:12,800
Um so that process has started and they
have a map. I don't have it but it it's

1035
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:19,760
like November. Um but by the time that
process is complete and and if we don't

1036
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:23,600
find a suitable candidate we will start
over. We will we will revisit that's

1037
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:28,880
part of our contract uh to go through
and you know you don't plan for failure

1038
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:33,520
but um if you hire the wrong person
that's planning for failure. So we won't

1039
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:37,520
do that. Anything
else you wanted on that?

1040
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:42,480
» Quite um what was the timeline that we
had set for initial review

1041
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:46,960
um to hire somebody or this whole
process the interview with staff and

1042
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:51,920
» I I don't have that that whole timeline
with me. I'm happy to give it to you but

1043
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:54,960
but we will the the initial is in two
weeks they're going to come back with a

1044
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:58,320
draft of the job description
>> and so that's that's that's that's what

1045
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:01,280
the admin they they'll bring it back at
that point in time.

1046
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:05,120
» Okay. Is the goal like to have a city
administrator within a year or

1047
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:07,920
» Oh, by the end of the year. By the end
of the year to have a city

1048
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,880
administrator. Yeah, that that's the
November I was talking about.

1049
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:13,520
» Okay. By the end of this calendar year.
By Novemberish.

1050
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:17,880
» Thank you.
>> I have a friend behind you.

1051
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:25,120
» All right. Any other questions on that?
>> Committee chair.

1052
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:31,120
» Okay. Um and then next we had um rural
fire department contract. Um, for the

1053
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:34,719
mayor, it is still being worked on.
>> That's that's the attorneys working

1054
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:39,760
together on that basically.
>> Okay. And and just for clarification on

1055
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:45,199
the budget, is it budgeted at the 28
mills currently and then No,

1056
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:47,679
» it is it is budgeted on 240 and and 10%.
Okay. Perfect. Okay. So,

1057
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:50,960
» and that that's what Lonnie was
referring to earlier. One of those

1058
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:55,199
numbers changed slightly from that.
>> Council member Tupin. So, if this

1059
01:21:53,040 --> 01:22:00,480
contract isn't finalized by the time we
have to approve this, we

1060
01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:03,360
» we can still approve the budget and and
but hopefully we don't end up having to

1061
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:06,400
go through a massive budget amendment,
but it is my goal that we will have it

1062
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:09,920
next time. Okay?
>> And it's worth me I mean, we've talked

1063
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:14,560
about it and we've viewed it, but my
goal is it'll actually be on the agenda

1064
01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:17,760
next time with a funky little X on it.
And if we do that, we'll do that before

1065
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:23,120
the budget just so we all sleep better.
Is there a way that we can have the

1066
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:27,520
preliminary contract out that we're not
getting it with the asterisks?

1067
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:31,440
» You you Well,
>> well, it's going to be you you have the

1068
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:34,639
preliminary. It's been multiple times.
>> We changed much.

1069
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:40,639
» It it has not changed much, but but what
what is so there's two things that we

1070
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:46,400
need in order to be done. One is
>> a legal opinion that says yes, we can

1071
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:52,560
use this for emergency services. And
then what does the contract need to say

1072
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:57,199
for that legal opinion to exist?
>> So that that's that's what the attorneys

1073
01:22:54,800 --> 01:23:01,600
are working through.
>> I'm sorry. It's it's the existing

1074
01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:07,679
contract. We're amending the contract.
>> All we're doing is changing it from 28

1075
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:12,080
mills to 240,000 out of general fund and
10% of last year's resort.

1076
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:18,480
» My big concern is we don't have a draft
budget for if this doesn't go through.

1077
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:24,159
And even though we did request that
several weeks ago, we I remember

1078
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:28,000
specifically asking for two different
versions.

1079
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:31,760
» We had the version last week up until
this is the first one that includes the

1080
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:36,560
240. Yeah, the last one is based on the
28 ms. This is the first version of the

1081
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:40,000
budget that doesn't have the 28 ms. So
if you go back one time, that's based on

1082
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,400
28.
>> I did not know what the value of the

1083
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:46,080
mill would be.
>> Right? That's my big concern is I just

1084
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:50,480
don't want to be getting a last minute
>> and I can plug in different numbers.

1085
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:53,440
Yeah. I mean it I can
>> general fund based on the 28 mill.

1086
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:58,480
» Okay.
>> And all the numbers I it's

1087
01:23:55,679 --> 01:24:02,080
» okay. So it's it is doable and that
again that's my big concern because I

1088
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:05,280
know it's just a lot and it's a big
difference in price. But I guess it's

1089
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:08,239
not that big of a difference. We would
>> it's a difference of where it comes from

1090
01:24:06,639 --> 01:24:11,600
more so than anything. It's about a
$30,000 difference I think is what we

1091
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:16,560
figured out.
>> Was it or 23

1092
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:20,560
» where we so it as far as the current 240
to the 28 mil.

1093
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:24,800
» Well, so in the in No, no, no. Not in
the general fund, it's higher, but but

1094
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:28,080
in the overall budget, it's within
>> it's $22,000 difference

1095
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:35,360
» and I think it's now 20.
>> So So So if they were to get 28 million

1096
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:41,840
409,000. So the way that it's currently
budgeted is 240 out of general and then

1097
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:47,760
149 out of the tax. So it would be a
total of three.

1098
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,480
» So we'd be taking other things out of
resort tax.

1099
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,800
» So it'd be 240
>> to cover the general fund.

1100
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:55,600
» No,
>> no, no, no. We would adjust the general

1101
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,320
fund
>> by the limits of what we had in the

1102
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:02,600
general fund to do.
>> Okay.

1103
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,600
» So it's 24049.

1104
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:08,719
» So that's 389,000
and is what we would be paying them with

1105
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:14,639
the new content. Yeah.
>> 20,000 less.

1106
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:17,280
than the 28 mill.
>> Council member Rude,

1107
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:22,239
» I am curious.
>> Okay.

1108
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:26,400
» Who is representing the fire department?
>> Um, their attorney is Ray Huns,

1109
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,400
» of course.
>> And their fire chief is And actually, so

1110
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,480
they have a board that they're going to
as well.

1111
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:35,760
» A board of lawyers.
>> No, no, they have a board.

1112
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:40,080
» No, they have.
>> So, the Rayco is representing his

1113
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,960
brother. That is a true Ray Coons
represents the fire department. He is

1114
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:46,080
who they have hired as their attorney.
>> Another something for me to look up next

1115
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:48,400
week this week. Okay.
>> Oh, good. I was hope I was afraid you

1116
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,199
were not going to have anything to look
up.

1117
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:54,000
» Oh, I got stuff to look up. I've got
more about that later.

1118
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:59,280
» And and I know that every time we we've
tal when Tom has come to these meetings,

1119
01:25:56,639 --> 01:26:04,480
he's he said this is what I personally
would like, but he's like I haven't

1120
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:08,000
board to answer to. So So
>> that's that was my understanding.

1121
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:10,560
Everything has to be approved by their
board.

1122
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:13,920
» Your your your point that we live in
assault to you and everybody knows

1123
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:16,400
everybody or is related to everybody is
well taken.

1124
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,679
» So,
>> okay. All right. All I have

1125
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:26,639
» council council member Davis.
>> Um will someone besides myself be at the

1126
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:30,480
rural fire district to talk about this
agreement or we just waiting for the

1127
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:33,920
lawyers to come to the table?
>> At at this point it's minor edits and

1128
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:37,920
we're waiting for the attorneys to to
finish it. you you don't have to talk

1129
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:41,360
you don't have to talk about it
>> and and and my so my understanding is

1130
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:44,880
their board has actually already
approved their budget okay

1131
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:48,560
» based on the agreement okay so the
amounts what's what's changing in the

1132
01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:52,320
agreement is not the amounts or anything
like that what's changing in the

1133
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:55,199
agreement is the paper tracking system
that works for both the city and for the

1134
01:26:54,080 --> 01:27:00,800
fire district okay
>> that's what's currently under discussion

1135
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:03,760
» is how do they track capital assets I
just want to be prepared if they have

1136
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:06,639
questions and I do not feel comfortable
>> Oh no You you you you you won't you

1137
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:09,120
won't need to answer those questions.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1138
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,480
» You'll get to witness them answering.
>> Okay. We need to keep going cuz we got

1139
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:16,320
to get out of here. Well, we got a
meeting to do here because we put it all

1140
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:20,000
off last year. So,
>> um like and it's kind of important stuff

1141
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:22,800
because we didn't talk about it last
year.

1142
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:27,120
» A lot of superficial stuff going on.
>> Okay.

1143
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:30,320
» Okay. Um so, are we are we good with the
are we done with the fire?

1144
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:33,280
» Yeah. I think I said that when when we
get that done, we'll bring it back and

1145
01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:38,800
as quickly as I get it, I will send it
out so that council has a chance to look

1146
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:43,120
at it. But but again, the it may be that
there's zero edits to that contract or

1147
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:47,600
maybe that there are edits added to the
contract for the tracking purposes.

1148
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:51,760
» Okay. All right. So, lo and behold, we
have the airport interlocal agreement on

1149
01:27:50,159 --> 01:28:00,080
um
on the agenda. Um, we have met, um,

1150
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:04,239
Jeremy and I met with, uh, Mike Naples
and the county commissioner, Bill

1151
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:09,760
Bullock. Um, we had some suggestions.
Some of them didn't really work. Um, I

1152
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:15,840
went to the airport board meeting um,
with, um, the council president from

1153
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:20,480
Bridger was there, Mark Duter, um,
trying to get find out what Bridger's

1154
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:25,120
concerns were with approving it. Um, I
think we've got that um, ironed out and

1155
01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:29,120
settled. I will say that when you're
reading through this document, there is

1156
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:33,760
an error on this one that got put in the
packet. That's not the one that we've

1157
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:37,679
been using. Um, the main error is that
the city will not be putting in um, an

1158
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:43,679
additional 10,000 that has been
stricken. Um, it will just be our one

1159
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:45,920
mill that we it's one mill from the US,
one mill from the county, and one mill

1160
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:50,400
from the jerk.
>> And just to clarify, it's equal share.

1161
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:54,080
So if the county pulls a half a mill,
then we put in half. Correct. So So we

1162
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:58,080
we match an equal share
>> and and that's why we have not been

1163
01:28:55,679 --> 01:29:01,280
paying a mill over the last couple years
because the county has not been

1164
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:08,159
contributing a whole mill. So that's why
if you ever look at that question it

1165
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:16,320
like I did. Um, so with this, um, back
in when I was on council with, um, Jen

1166
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:20,239
Battles and Terry Durban, we worked out
the majority of this interlocal

1167
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:25,040
agreement and it had been approved by
that council. It had never been signed

1168
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:30,719
off on by the county commissioners. So,
we've been working under the old

1169
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:37,920
agreement this entire time. Um, so I am
very hopefully thankful that um

1170
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:43,440
hopefully they will sign this um
the it does have what council wanted um

1171
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:49,120
the equal representation on the board of
33 and three. Um it has that we will get

1172
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:53,199
a copy of the budget. Um and the
county's best date to have that is uh is

1173
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:58,320
in September because they're like us.
They don't get their budget done until

1174
01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:05,440
then. Um, it also has that the
dissolution of the board must go to um

1175
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:09,440
that body like county commissioners,
they would have to vote on it and say

1176
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:12,560
they want out. Um, if Red Lodge wants
out, it would have to go to the city

1177
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:17,679
council. If Bridger wants out, it would
have to go to their city council. So,

1178
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:26,000
um, you know, not just one single person
can say, "We're done." Um, it has to go

1179
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:31,760
to those governing bodies. Um and um
what oh and the other thing that we kind

1180
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:37,679
of hashed out at that meeting was um we
will have a list of those assets that

1181
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:42,560
are jointly held um so that if there is
a ter and it'll be updated every year so

1182
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:46,880
that if there is a termination
each entity will know exactly what they

1183
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:53,600
have to pay to get out of the agreement.
So we don't get a bill for you know $5

1184
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:58,400
million. Um and it's so and it has to be
um you know actual you know what they

1185
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:04,320
what they paid or what they have into it
not some blown up number. I don't know

1186
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:06,960
how else to explain that.
>> So um Jeremy do you have any more

1187
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:11,920
comments on that because you worked on
it with me as well.

1188
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:15,120
» Um the only modification was didn't
Bridger ask if they could send a proxy

1189
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,239
as
>> and that's actually added in the that's

1190
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:21,280
in the line four.
>> Yeah. And I forgot about that. And

1191
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:26,000
that's mainly becau and and also because
we said up to three. They were kind of

1192
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:30,000
worried that they might not get three
people able to go all the time to the

1193
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:33,679
meeting. So they would have three
appointed, but if one of them could, you

1194
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:36,880
know, they could do a proxy vote if
necessary. So

1195
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:41,120
» and a quorum does have to consist of at
least one person from each.

1196
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:46,800
» Correct. Yeah. So that's good. So you
always get that equal representation

1197
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:52,159
type of thing. So, we are hopeful that
um we will have this up for a vote soon.

1198
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:54,159
Um county, it's next week. I mean, next
meeting.

1199
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:57,360
» It could be the next meeting with the
with that correction in there.

1200
01:31:55,440 --> 01:32:02,080
» Yeah. If everyone's okay to vote on
this, anybody have any questions on

1201
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:08,239
this? Um it's been a long time coming.
Really, you know, I'm very hopeful that

1202
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:12,400
hope fingers crossed that I
>> I'm a little concerned that Mr. Bullock

1203
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:17,600
said at least we'll have a visual proof
that we're working on this. didn't seem

1204
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:22,800
very sincere. I mean, it looks makes it
look like we're doing something. I mean,

1205
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:26,000
I I thought it was a little uh set
aside.

1206
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:30,080
Flip it. Let's flip it to me.
>> Well, it's been going on for years.

1207
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:34,320
Four, five,
>> five, three.

1208
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:38,719
» I think we want to move on.
>> Well, that's what I'm saying.

1209
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:42,639
» I will I will say that that that So,
there was there was a couple of things

1210
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:45,679
and and I apologize that that last line.
So what happened is there was a version

1211
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:48,159
of this document we went I I went
through and fixed the numbering on

1212
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:52,800
because we had like three number ones
and skip number two and blah blah blah

1213
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:57,440
and there was a version this this
version that had the city of lodge will

1214
01:32:54,880 --> 01:33:01,280
contribute an additional $10,000 there
was a change that had happened after

1215
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:04,239
that basically that had come to me and I
was like I'm not saying you can't pass

1216
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:08,800
that but you're going to have to pass it
twice that to me is was problematic um

1217
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:12,480
and so we got rid of that but the
biggest the biggest dispute is still

1218
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:18,560
over that representation I think the
county still wants um 32 and two. Um the

1219
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:23,040
other municipality, as near as I can
tell, is on board with with with the 3,

1220
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:27,280
three, and three. And I think all three
all three municipalities are trying to

1221
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:31,760
get this passed in the near future, but
I said this we we always bring things

1222
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:35,360
for a discussion before they're up for
action. So,

1223
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:40,320
» and in a 322 situation, who would break
the tie?

1224
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:43,760
» Well, it's a board of ex members. So in
the 322 there were three county

1225
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:46,480
commissioners and two from each
municipality.

1226
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:48,480
» So that's seven. So there would be no
tie break.

1227
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,760
» 322.
>> Yeah.

1228
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:55,600
» Is seven.
>> Oh god. Add up to eight. Okay. Got it.

1229
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:59,040
» I'm tired. Just go. I'm sorry.
>> So what we're going to we'll be voting

1230
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:03,280
on it then at our next city council
meeting if everyone's okay with that.

1231
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:07,360
And um if we pass it, Bridger passes it,
you know, maybe that'll be enough for

1232
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:11,840
the county to say we're okay and pass
it. Fingers crossed.

1233
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:14,960
And that's all I have unless uh Jeremy
or Chelsea have anything.

1234
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:17,440
» Cause for celebration.
>> I think it's a good agreement.

1235
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:22,159
» Thank you.
>> Good luck.

1236
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:24,000
» All right. Anything else from admin and
finance?

1237
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:32,159
» No.
>> Anything for admin and finance?

1238
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:38,639
» All right. Hearing none. Um let's go
next to land use and planning. And with

1239
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:41,920
that, we will go to committee chair
Tupin.

1240
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:48,960
» Hi everybody.
Um, sorry I figured that just an

1241
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:55,360
introduction. Um, so this first off the
U tennis or not the tennis, we'll get to

1242
01:34:51,280 --> 01:35:00,719
that next. Uh, the O'Neal Trail. Um,
right now Mike Maples is in the process

1243
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:06,400
of getting all of the additional
reporting done and engineering,

1244
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:09,440
sustainability. There's three specific
reports.

1245
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:16,320
» Engineering,
>> um, environmental

1246
01:35:12,639 --> 01:35:20,880
» Thank you. Um, so getting those done.
Uh, been having some issues with the

1247
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:26,239
flags, but been putting those in. the
bench has gone in and then once there is

1248
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:30,080
um
all those reports back we will be

1249
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:34,400
getting a staff report for review here
at council for the final approval to

1250
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:39,199
make sure and then also just making sure
that all the conditions are met in

1251
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:45,199
thatou um that is currently what is
going on there then let's see next on

1252
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:50,719
the list can I say can I ask a question
about O'Neal uh I went up there today

1253
01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:57,280
and the uh despite
uh uh a neighbor's um request to have

1254
01:35:54,239 --> 01:36:02,400
this postponed. It has been installed
>> and I am not an artist. I am very

1255
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:07,120
rational, but um someone tell me this
what didn't fall off the back of the

1256
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:13,679
truck. Um there is a crack right through
here. Um but and it's sharp edges on the

1257
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:18,639
this end, but it's there. It's been in
place and I think the parks board

1258
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:23,679
thought they would have a say in this.
But um go up there and sit at it and uh

1259
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:28,400
but someone tell me if we didn't get a
dud from uh that fell off the back of a

1260
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:30,560
truck.
>> Who picked that? Who

1261
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,800
» arts?
>> I don't know.

1262
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:36,560
» I guess there's art, but I'm not an
artist. I'm just saying it's worth going

1263
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:41,920
up to look at.
>> And there was there was a copy of that

1264
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:44,239
uh letter was actually handed out to
>> tonight.

1265
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:48,320
» Yeah, I I don't believe it was in the
packet. um it was wasn't requested in

1266
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:53,440
there, but but like I said, we can we
can put that in there. Uh

1267
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:59,280
» and to address the concerns of our
neighbor as well as um kind of the

1268
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:05,280
process of why the bench was put in
place before advisory board reviews and

1269
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:11,280
council approvals and all of those types
of pieces is as we have been looking

1270
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:17,920
through and we'll get into this next uh
the change of use of city-owned land. Uh

1271
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:24,159
we do feel that city staff is competent
enough to make decisions for benches, uh

1272
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:28,560
smaller placements, specifically things
that can be reversed. That's the biggest

1273
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:33,440
piece. And we know that it's a big
bench, but when we asked Mike Maples his

1274
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:36,159
comfort level for being able to move it,
he's like, "If I need to move it, I can

1275
01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:40,800
move it."
>> So, yep. So, specifically, we want to

1276
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:45,760
give him some benefit of the doubt and
his placement. Um, if the parks board

1277
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:49,600
wants to come through and say, "We hate
this. This is the worst. Mike Maples,

1278
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:55,440
please move it." I imagine he would be
pretty amendable to that. Um, but again,

1279
01:37:52,960 --> 01:38:00,639
with how we have our current process in
place, um, one, I know that they were

1280
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:04,639
aware of the fact that there would be a
bench put in, so if they had feedback,

1281
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:08,480
they probably could have provided it.
Um, and also I know that they were aware

1282
01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:12,960
of the trail system. Again, I'm not
saying that maybe they were taken aback

1283
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:16,880
by the timing of it because I also did
not know when it was going in. I don't

1284
01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:21,840
think many did, but again, it's not
something that we really have up on the

1285
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:24,719
high scale radar of this needs full
approval.

1286
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:29,920
» And I will add that the process that
said benches down in that lower category

1287
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:33,679
approved actually did go through the
parks board and they signed off on that

1288
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:37,199
as well. So they they said these are the
things that don't need to come to us,

1289
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:41,360
» right? And and it does have that in the
application. Type a minor and

1290
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:44,400
administrative temporary or reversible
projects.

1291
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:47,760
» Be that as may look at it and see if we
got a bum bench that fell off the back

1292
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:50,639
of a truck.
>> Well, hopefully it's bum enough that

1293
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:55,040
it'll deteriorate in five years and
we'll never have to worry.

1294
01:38:52,400 --> 01:39:01,040
» My bum
again. End of the day, if we feel that

1295
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:05,520
it's an atrocity to the city, then I'm
sure that we could file some complaints

1296
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:10,159
with public works. But I I really truly
don't feel that this isn't something

1297
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:13,920
that public works is capable of
handling.

1298
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:19,280
» Um at a certain point we do have to
trust our adviserss and our our staff uh

1299
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:26,000
to do a good job and if we don't then
that's a bigger conversation. Um okay

1300
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:29,000
onwards the next thing to piss people
off

1301
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:34,639
so specifically tennis courts. Uh I
don't think we're actually I think we're

1302
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:42,080
just upsetting people with taking too
much time. The reverse problems. Um so

1303
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:49,440
we have received an application for the
use of city-owned land from the tennis

1304
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:55,760
courts. We are still awaiting a um a
staff report from Jeremy and um most all

1305
01:39:53,920 --> 01:40:00,239
of the advisory work has been done. All
the leg work has been done. All of that

1306
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:04,000
part of the process is completed. So,
we're just waiting for that report,

1307
01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:10,239
which then can come to council and a
30-day hearing period can take place.

1308
01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:13,440
Um, I was expecting that report for this
week, but I I think Jeremy was also out

1309
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:17,840
of town.
>> So, there's likely that was a big part

1310
01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:22,800
of that issue. I know that it is on his
radar now. So, hopefully we will have

1311
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:26,800
this and be able to move forward in
>> and just to clarify, my understanding

1312
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:29,760
was that if we get the staff report, we
can go ahead and run the ad in the

1313
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:34,080
paper. Y
>> even prior to council reviewing the

1314
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:37,679
stack report to start that 30-day
countdown.

1315
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:41,840
» Yeah, send also your flowchart.
>> I have requested uh Lonnie print several

1316
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:46,639
copies that we can hand to the room at
the end of the meeting.

1317
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:52,639
» I sent you an email like during this
>> we will we will we will we will we will

1318
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:57,440
forward it on to council.
So, specifically, um, one thing that we

1319
01:40:55,840 --> 01:41:03,040
had been working on and I was having a
hell of a time finding yesterday was

1320
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:07,360
our, uh, process and kind of a flowchart
to help understand because we've been

1321
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:12,639
working on not just the application, but
the process and procedure of what these

1322
01:41:09,679 --> 01:41:17,280
are going to look like. Um, I had tried
after our previous land use and planning

1323
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:22,000
meeting to put together a flowchart that
kind of breaks it down and makes it a

1324
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:27,760
little bit easier to understand when the
timelines will be, what the expectations

1325
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:31,760
should be for city staff as well as for
the applicants. Um, so I think it does

1326
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:36,719
break it down nicely and I did find
that. So, I will um again hopefully I'll

1327
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:40,080
get a copy printed for you guys if you
want to wait till the end of the meeting

1328
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:45,679
and then we'll get that in next week's
packet uh preferably. Um but it it still

1329
01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:51,280
has some highlighted pieces that are
action items that we'll have to work on,

1330
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:55,679
specifically some templates, um some
motions to carry, and just some overall

1331
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:59,280
review that we'll have as a as a
steering committee. So, that kind of

1332
01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:04,560
ties in together. Again, hopefully we
will have yours up for review at our

1333
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:10,320
next meeting and then we can make an
action at our following meeting. That is

1334
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:12,400
the goal. Um, and I imagine that we
should be pretty close.

1335
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:17,199
» I don't think the action would be at the
next meeting because 30 days it can't be

1336
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:20,159
because 30 days hasn't started yet,
>> right? And that's what I'm saying is it

1337
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,000
won't be at the next meeting. It'll be
the one after.

1338
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:26,000
» And I'm saying no because that would
only be 28 days.

1339
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:28,800
» Oh, well, just kidding.
>> Add two weeks to that. Yeah. 30 days is

1340
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:33,119
is a number.
>> Yep, that is a number. And one thing to

1341
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:38,719
clarify too, part of the reason that we
are very and we understand that Barb has

1342
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:42,239
been very patient as well as tennis um
in terms of this process because it's

1343
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:46,400
something that we're working through and
we're trying to do it in concert with

1344
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:51,040
some moving pieces. One of the real
reasons we're being very adamant about

1345
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:56,000
the 30-day review is though this has
been a public discussion for the past

1346
01:42:52,960 --> 01:43:00,800
year and there's been drawings shown,
there's been uh plans discussed and all

1347
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:05,600
of those items until you can really see
the full picture in these packets and

1348
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:09,360
get a chance to review it. I think it's
only fair that the public has that

1349
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:13,679
opportunity uh and then that way they
can speak to it and also hopefully

1350
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:16,960
understand it better. So my hope is that
when we get these applications and these

1351
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:22,239
staff reports, it will provide
clarification and truly

1352
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:24,880
some buyin across the board with the
community. So set the precedent for all

1353
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:29,920
of our
>> Yeah, it really does. And so we're

1354
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:35,440
really trying hard to do things the
right way. We're trying very hard to

1355
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:40,239
trust our staffs and create procedures
for them to review so that they can make

1356
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:45,920
educated decisions without holding our
hands and without ever having subjective

1357
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:50,159
decision making taking place. That's
really crucial for the whole process. Uh

1358
01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:55,199
so again, we always appreciate
everyone's patience um as we work

1359
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:59,760
through it. And again, there's a good
example now in our applica like of an

1360
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:03,840
application in the packet that people
can kind of review. And again, it's not

1361
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:07,920
done yet. So like if there's anything
that people feel like this is kind of

1362
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:12,000
lacking, we'd rather see this that or
the other. Please by all means bring

1363
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:16,239
that feedback because I'm we're already
finding things that have gaps. like we

1364
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:21,360
already are seeing like oh man we really
do want to have theseus ahead of time

1365
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:24,880
and we really do want to see this before
uh having you know

1366
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:29,440
» reemphasized the point you made and that
is that this is going to work at the

1367
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:33,199
speed of government um by by design is
supposed to and and while I appreciate

1368
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:40,719
the the need to say if we can get done
now and it could be done for next year's

1369
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:44,880
season um from from from my position
we're right on schedule with what we've

1370
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:47,760
been projecting we would from the so the
get we're not we're not behind of what

1371
01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:51,040
we said this would take.
>> Yeah. And end of the day again we're

1372
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:57,520
trying to do our due diligence because
it's not one person's piece of land. It

1373
01:44:53,920 --> 01:45:02,080
is all of our land and it probably be
faster to buy a lot and build a tennis

1374
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:05,840
court.
>> It would be this is a city.

1375
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:10,560
» Yeah. And that's exactly the the case.
So again I I appreciate everyone's

1376
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:16,400
patience as we work through this. Uh
again, Lonnie and Dave, I will I've sent

1377
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:19,440
you the copy of that flowchart today. Um
so if anyone if we could get that in the

1378
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:24,560
packet, that'd be great. I know there's
some typos, so again, don't don't

1379
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:27,280
slaughter me like we're working on it.
And again, would like to have some

1380
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:30,400
» anything else from land use and
planning.

1381
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:33,400
» Uh
hold.

1382
01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:38,199
» Any questions for land use and planning?

1383
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:48,239
» All right. um public works.
>> Um well, we pretty much hit on

1384
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:52,960
everything except um we do have on the
agenda the water rights and um

1385
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:57,440
» I will yeah I will just give a really
high level overview. We talked to dees

1386
01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:00,560
and the biggest thing we got was that
this is not an emergency. This is not

1387
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:06,400
emergent something that has to be
addressed. Um th this was some water

1388
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:13,119
rights from that were given to the city.
Um and there was a proposal about

1389
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:18,159
selling those. Um and and but but um the
short answer is we've we've we've had

1390
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:20,239
we've talked to the state. Um the state
is going to be our attorney's going to

1391
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:23,760
be following up with the state and
coming back to us with recommendation.

1392
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:29,480
But all we've clarified right now is
this is not an emerging issue that we

1393
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:29,480
have to take care of yesterday.

1394
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:36,000
» I think that's all I have on that.
>> Okay, I'm good.

1395
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:38,880
» All right. Anything else?
>> Public health.

1396
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:40,800
» I guess we should ask or Patty, do you
have anything else you want to add for

1397
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:44,000
public works?
>> Do you have anything you want to add

1398
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:48,480
» to public works?
>> No. Okay, good. All right.

1399
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:56,360
» Don't want to leave you out.
>> Don't worry.

1400
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:56,360
» Public public health and safety.

1401
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:03,199
» Public health and safety. I think you
pretty much touched on everything in

1402
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:08,960
your mayor's comments um concerning the
bears issue. That's most of our

1403
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:15,760
discussion. Um we did have Dan the Bear
Man come in and

1404
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:21,119
kind of explain the severity of the
situation um and really wants the public

1405
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:27,040
to be aware of how serious this matter
is. Um again, they are doing something

1406
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:29,600
on the 24th.
>> Yep. we

1407
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:31,760
» at 6:30 and the bear meeting is tomorrow
at 2.

1408
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:36,000
» And then the bear meeting tomorrow too.
Um yeah, that took up most of your time.

1409
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:41,920
And then um on our agenda for public
health and safety that I have kept a

1410
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:47,199
safe zone and signage um and that is
something that has just been on there

1411
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:53,280
for what I feel like forever now. But we
feel that until we see signs or some

1412
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:58,800
sort of change, it will remain.
>> Keep it up.

1413
01:47:55,440 --> 01:48:03,360
So, um, because Dan came and spoke at
public health and safety, do you think

1414
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:07,199
it is 100% worthwhile for people to
listen or watch that meeting?

1415
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:12,320
» 110. Okay.
>> It was alarming.

1416
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:16,480
» It will be on you uh it aail up on
YouTube soon, probably tomorrow. So,

1417
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:20,080
please watch the public health and
safety meeting at your

1418
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:24,880
» We have a very unique situation that
bears like that's not really replicated

1419
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:31,840
anywhere in the state. Huckleberry.
>> No,

1420
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:35,520
» it's a creek and no no no timber. So I I
found it very interesting and we all

1421
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:37,840
need to hear the story.
>> I will watch it.

1422
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:42,560
» All right. Anything else from public
health and safety? Any questions for

1423
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:45,440
public health and safety?
>> All right. Correspondence.

1424
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:50,080
» No.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I skipped I opportunity

1425
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:53,199
to do anything before we get to
correspondence.

1426
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:56,800
» Okay. Um, I've got 10 minutes, so I'm
I'm just going to be brief and say that

1427
01:48:55,119 --> 01:49:00,320
maybe all this what I want to talk about
will come in the future because I don't

1428
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:06,639
I don't think I can wrap it up in 10
minutes. But I'm um um first of all, I

1429
01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:10,639
think it's maybe the meeting on Thursday
will answer all the questions, but I

1430
01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:15,760
will not be there um about the ice rink.
I think we need an update on what's

1431
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:21,119
going on with the ice rink um at both
locations. Um, I I don't know if

1432
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:27,119
anything's been going on there, but I
think if it doesn't happen Thursday, I'd

1433
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:30,719
like it to be on the I like the ice rink
people to come and update us. I think

1434
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:36,639
I've had a lot of questions about what's
going on. And um so I that's one thing

1435
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:41,199
I'd like to see on a future agenda.
Okay. Hey, if y'all remember two weeks

1436
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:48,159
ago,
um

1437
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:53,119
I the mayor mentioned censuring him and
I said I'd take care of that and I wrote

1438
01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:58,080
a resolution and I gave it to the
attorney, Mr. Steel, who said he would

1439
01:49:55,679 --> 01:50:05,280
share it with Scott and I'm assuming he
will share it with you and MMIA. But um

1440
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:10,480
I did what you uh suggested and um I
wrote a resolution um about that. And

1441
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:16,400
then
what I'm also concerned about is that I

1442
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:21,920
sometimes I get home and I get smart too
late and I got home last night last week

1443
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:25,679
and I realized that what we talked about
should have been recorded.

1444
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:30,560
There's very little of what we talked
about was HR. It was about you and you

1445
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:35,360
explaining what happened prior to you
terminating Dennis. None of it was

1446
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:39,760
recorded and I don't know what to do
about that. I really don't know if we

1447
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:45,600
should um put it on the agenda and we
talk about it again. But that that was

1448
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:52,560
not a private conversation. very little
of it which was uh you know

1449
01:50:49,360 --> 01:51:00,080
you fired Jennison on the 15th and this
was August um I don't know when it was

1450
01:50:56,719 --> 01:51:05,760
five weeks after he was terminated and
um so it's

1451
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:10,480
it's not like um we're all surprised. We
weren't surprised and I think it's um

1452
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:16,880
the fact that you did not talk to us is
a breach of our contract, our charter

1453
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:22,560
and I I want um I I want to put that
resolution on the agenda in a few weeks.

1454
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:25,920
» So I if you'd like to right now you can
make a motion. I said council can put

1455
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:29,199
anything on the agenda.
Steel, I talked to Skyler.

1456
01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:32,480
» I haven't seen it yet, but you can still
put it on the agenda if you want.

1457
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:39,840
» Skyler had to talk to Scott and then
they then Skyler mentioned MMIA and

1458
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:45,280
maybe I'll talk to um uh Skyler, but um
I u also I think even more importantly

1459
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:50,159
is what we talked about was not recorded
and I don't know I have no idea what how

1460
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:56,639
to handle that.
Anybody got any ideas? Well, I just have

1461
01:51:53,040 --> 01:52:02,159
a it was a closed meeting because it was
an HR sensitive

1462
01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:06,719
meeting, part of the meeting, and I saw
the email where Dennis did not wave his

1463
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:09,840
right to privacy. So, we had to have it
be a closed meeting because we didn't

1464
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:15,199
know exactly what was going to come up
in that meeting. So, I mean that I'm not

1465
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:19,119
arguing that. I'm arguing that at some
point it should have been reopened when

1466
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:24,320
the mayor started telling us what
happened on June 9th when he um and I

1467
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:26,719
would argue that's exactly the part that
was a closed meeting. But

1468
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:31,040
» I mean
>> but you you you told us what you should

1469
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:37,360
have done. There were five things I wish
I'd done this. I wish I'd done that. And

1470
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:43,280
why isn't the public um um should hear
this? But be because Dennison did not

1471
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:48,560
wave his right to privacy and we never
know what's going to come up when it's

1472
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:51,440
an HR situation and as an employee he
had that right to privacy and we gave

1473
01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:54,159
that to him.
>> Let me let me

1474
01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:59,840
» it moved on. It moved on past
>> and and it may have but no one moved to

1475
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:02,400
I mean I guess shortly that's a terrible
tab

1476
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:06,239
» but the whole but the whole part of that
meeting needed to be closed because we

1477
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:09,520
didn't know what we were all going to
ask. We couldn't say, "Oh, wait. We need

1478
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:12,000
to close the meeting again." It doesn't
work that way.

1479
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:17,440
» Let let me help a little bit or I'll try
because I'll restate what I believe is

1480
01:53:13,599 --> 01:53:20,239
referring as given a time machine. What
that letter would have said that I

1481
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:24,880
written a letter is not that we are
terminating services. It would have said

1482
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:29,040
we are I'm exercising the right from our
contract to provide 30 days notice and

1483
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:33,520
your service will end on which is which
in essence what it is. But the word

1484
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:39,040
» I read it today. You wrote it on June
15th and I wrote you on June 16th asking

1485
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:44,560
at the meeting to have a charter for
everybody to read and the Montana law

1486
01:53:41,679 --> 01:53:48,719
that you don't you can't you can't um
terminate people

1487
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:54,000
requires council approval
>> and it's so cool because Montana is the

1488
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:58,320
only state that has that and but but I
have not I requested it on June 16th for

1489
01:53:56,480 --> 01:54:00,880
the next meeting. Haven't seen anything
anything I request I don't get.

1490
01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:04,560
Everybody,
>> that's why I

1491
01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:07,920
» Is there a motion you would like to make
at this point, Council Member Root, to

1492
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:10,400
put something on the agenda because I'm
giving you the opportunity.

1493
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:13,520
» Well, I've got 10 days, right?
>> You have as many days

1494
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:15,520
» I'll talk to Skyler, see what they're
doing.

1495
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:19,040
» You can do it two weeks from now or a
month from now where I want.

1496
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:24,239
» I want to do it now because this time is
of the essence and you mentioned it. I

1497
01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:28,960
said, "Okay, I'll I'll look into that."
And I wrote a resolution. Any any other

1498
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:33,159
business that anybody else on council
would like to bring up at this point in

1499
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:33,159
time?

1500
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:36,480
All right. Hearing none, let's go to Oh,
wait. Was that a

1501
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:40,800
» No.
>> No. Okay. Correspondence. Any

1502
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:45,199
correspondence that council would like
to share?

1503
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:48,639
» Uh, I do have a couple. Um, two
specifically based off of the

1504
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:56,159
construction projects
>> that are going on. Um, one is just some

1505
01:54:52,880 --> 01:55:02,000
concerns with citizens of where they've
taken up part of the road and it hasn't

1506
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:07,360
been fully like cleaned up on the on the
edges. Um, that's been a big concern

1507
01:55:04,719 --> 01:55:10,000
with a few folks. And again, some of it
I'm really excited about cuz it's going

1508
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:13,760
to be the whole bit, but there's others
pieces that it's like, oh, this just

1509
01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:17,520
keeps getting worse.
>> And it will be done. That did come up.

1510
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:21,840
So, this the the restoration will be
done. Okay. But the project is meant

1511
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:23,760
we're we're not we're not sweeping up
the sawdust while somebody's still

1512
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:26,960
drilling off.
>> And that's totally fine. I just wanted

1513
01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:32,639
to make sure that it was voiced. Yes.
>> Um and then the next one was damages to

1514
01:55:30,719 --> 01:55:39,199
somebody's vehicle.
>> Um specifically just based off of the

1515
01:55:36,639 --> 01:55:42,960
height of the the ladder truck that was
going on with one of the construction

1516
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:48,080
workers and the hole in their
windshield. Well, it seems pretty

1517
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:52,560
apparent that that's what the cause was.
They apparently tried to ask the

1518
01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:58,480
contractor about it who then blew them
off and then they tried to ask the the

1519
01:55:55,520 --> 01:56:01,760
GM about it who also blew them off.
>> So that is a concern that I have that

1520
01:56:00,639 --> 01:56:04,080
you know I just want to make sure that
that's addressed for them.

1521
01:56:02,719 --> 01:56:07,679
» Well, what what they need to do is come
to the city and file a complaint. And

1522
01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:10,159
Lonnie, do you have the anything to
share on what process they would do if

1523
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:13,360
somebody wants to file a complaint with
the city?

1524
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:17,040
» If it was the contract, not the city, do
they need to file a complaint? they

1525
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:20,560
would file a complaint against the
contractor.

1526
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:25,920
» Well, they can let Mike be aware of it.
But the process is it's if it's if the

1527
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:29,679
contractor did the damage then
>> Yeah. And that contract though

1528
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:33,199
» and Well, no, but if they did it
insurance

1529
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:35,119
» Yeah. If they did it with their vehicle
>> Yeah.

1530
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:38,560
» and it was something on their vehicle,
that's an insurance claim against that

1531
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:41,040
vehicle.
>> And that was what I

1532
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:43,840
» It has nothing to do with the city.
That's someone

1533
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:49,119
» more. So, I was hoping that the city
would provide an avenue or some sort of

1534
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:51,040
enforcement measure of this is someone
that we hired. We want to hold them

1535
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:53,679
accountable.
>> What they need to do is they need to

1536
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,280
file a police report.
>> Okay. And they did.

1537
01:56:54,639 --> 01:56:58,960
» Okay. Okay.
>> Then they should have the insurance

1538
01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:01,840
information on that police report and
then they called that insurance company

1539
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:05,599
directly and filed.
>> Oh, the the people bailed. They did not

1540
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:10,880
get the insurance information for these
folks. Is it was the cop the

1541
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:14,639
construction that's going on currently?
>> So, is it KC or

1542
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:18,960
» Cop?
>> And I I guess I would also ask were they

1543
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:23,199
parked in a a construction area because
>> they were parked by their property which

1544
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:25,520
is near a construction area but not like
in the zone

1545
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:28,639
» because I'll tell you I do not park in
front of my house when those guys are in

1546
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:32,400
front of it.
>> Period. I'm just saying like if someone

1547
01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:35,040
damages my car, no matter where I'm at,
I would like to make sure

1548
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:38,800
» what I heard is is that the
recommendation is they need to make sure

1549
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:42,159
they hire a fire report.
>> That has been done

1550
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:47,199
» and at that point what'll happen is
their insurance company will chase down

1551
01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:48,719
» the the vendor. Okay. Because that's who
they have a complaint against.

1552
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:54,880
» Okay.
>> Did I gather all of that correctly?

1553
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:58,960
» Yeah. It just I think it'd be beneficial
that I think it's worth it to make sure

1554
01:57:56,639 --> 01:58:04,159
that Mike knows about it. Yeah. But but
at the same time if it's Yeah. So so

1555
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:08,159
there's there's
>> the moral of the story is do not parking

1556
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:10,239
in front of your house if they have you
know

1557
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:13,599
» again
in front of the guy who's driving to and

1558
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:14,639
fro.
>> Okay.

1559
01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:18,560
» And
>> that's different. Yeah.

1560
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:22,560
» Have you seen them back?
>> And and and to be fair if somebody wants

1561
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:26,880
to if somebody wants to file this
against the city they can. But it'll

1562
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:30,880
probably get dismissed because it's not
us. I'm just thinking that the city

1563
01:58:28,639 --> 01:58:34,960
should because it is our contractors
potentially assist. That's all I'm

1564
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:39,199
saying. I'm not saying we should sue or
do any of that. I'm just saying like,

1565
01:58:36,159 --> 01:58:42,880
hey, there was a bad move here. How can
we help make a resolution as a good

1566
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:47,840
loving city?
>> We probably resolution for you,

1567
01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:51,199
» Chelsea. Chelsea, we we probably have a
certificate of insurance from them that

1568
01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:54,000
lists their insurance company.
>> See, and that's what I'm just bringing

1569
01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:56,080
it to people who might have a
certificate.

1570
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:58,480
» All right. Thank you.
>> All right. All right, I'm going to go

1571
01:58:56,719 --> 01:59:03,040
ahead and uh bring it back to the table
here. Um I would like to open it up for

1572
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:07,840
public comment. This is just the last
chance for the public to address the

1573
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:13,840
council and be heard on anything within
council's curfew. Go ahead and open

1574
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:19,119
public comment. I'm looking to the room.
I'm looking to online for cameras,

1575
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:24,800
unmuted mics, raised hands. Public
comment going once. Public comment going

1576
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:28,000
twice.
public comment going three times. We'll

1577
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:32,880
go ahead and close the public comment.
With that, we have completed our uh

1578
01:59:30,639 --> 01:59:36,639
agenda. Go ahead and
>> Sorry, I Sorry. was