[0:11] Hey, I was looking for
[0:19] » Are we all Are we good?
>> What are you thankful for?
[0:23] » Being hot.
>> You're thankful for being hot.
[0:25] » Better than being too cold.
[0:29] I'm going to go ahead and call to order
the city council business meeting of
[0:34] Tuesday, August 11th. If you would start
by joining me in a pledge of allegiance,
[0:40] I would appreciate it.
[0:44] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[0:49] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:56] justice for all.
Thank you,
[1:03] » Lonnie. Can I get a roll call, please?
>> Here.
[1:06] » Here.
>> Daniel here.
[1:08] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[1:10] » Rude
>> here. Cuben,
[1:11] » yes.
>> All right. Thank you. Um, just a
[1:16] reminder if if everybody has not had an
opportunity to put their phones on mute
[1:22] um or silence, if you would please do
that. Um
[1:26] we will go ahead and commence with the
meeting. Jeremy, just a heads up, I um
[1:32] have the script for qualifying a board
that we use um for
[1:38] planning board. Um and I am not seeing
it right here on top. So if you have
[1:43] that readily accessible just where we
qualify the board and state that it's a
[1:48] quasi judicial matter, um it'd be
helpful if you can find that. Otherwise,
[1:52] we'll wing it and do it best as we can.
Um, I will entertain a motion to adopt
[1:59] the agenda as presented.
>> I move to adopt the agenda as presented.
[2:04] » Second.
>> Motion from council member Ronnie,
[2:07] second from council member Daniels.
Discussion at the table.
[2:12] Hearing none. Can I go ahead and get a
roll call, please?
[2:15] » Yes.
>> Daniel, yes. Steven,
[2:17] » yes.
>> Yes.
[2:19] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[2:22] All right, 6. The motion carries. I'll
entertain a motion to approve the
[2:27] minutes of July 28th.
>> I move to approve the minutes of July
[2:30] 28th, 2026.
>> Second.
[2:33] » Motion from council member Ronnie,
second from council member Battles, I
[2:37] believe. That's where I heard that from.
Uh, discussion at the table.
[2:43] Hearing none. Can I get a roll call?
>> Battles?
[2:45] » Yes.
>> Daniel?
[2:46] » Yes.
>> David? Yes. Ronnie?
[2:48] » Yes.
>> Ruth?
[2:50] Um, yes. Shining. Yes.
6. Motion passes.
[2:58] » Entertain a motion for warrants payable.
>> I move to approve warrants payable in
[3:02] the amount of 1,726,740.93.
[3:09] » I'll second.
>> Have a motion from council member
[3:12] Ronnie, a second from council member
Tupin.
[3:14] » Discussion at the table, please. Um it
is so high because there were um
[3:21] $755,120.92
[3:25] cents was paid out of water and that was
for uh cops construction. Most of that
[3:30] was
>> yes for the water
[3:32] » for the water project. Um and then we
had the EDA grant. They paid out
[3:36] $57,510.98.
[3:40] And then we also paid for the
comprehensive insurance um $146,630.50
[3:49] and um we also, you know, then the rest
were just normal um payments. Um so but
[3:58] that that made up the majority of it.
Solid waste we paid with public services
[4:02] 50,000 as usual. So that's that's most
of it.
[4:08] Other comments at the table
[4:12] hearing? None. Can I get a roll call,
please?
[4:15] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[4:18] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[4:20] » Yes.
>> All right. 60. Motion carries.
[4:26] Um, mayor's business. Um, I have a few
notes to get through. Um, the first one
[4:32] we'll start is with Bears. I'm sure as
everyone knows, this has been a bad
[4:36] year. Um it's been bad all over the
state, but you throw into that that Red
[4:41] Lodge is built in a riparian zone um
right along a creek where bears love to
[4:46] walk. Um and we have grizzlies and black
bears both in there. Um Daniel with uh
[4:54] FWP was able to be here tonight. Um he
will also be at the bear meeting
[4:59] tomorrow. Um I'll I'll mention that
again later, but that's at 2 o'clock at
[5:04] the library.
um the the guidance that we have thus
[5:08] far and again I think it's important to
note that bears are not put down just
[5:12] because of trash. They're they're put
down um when they become a public safety
[5:18] issue. So when they're breaking into
homes, breaking into cars, um chasing
[5:23] people, those are all behaviors that
ends up putting a bear down. And I'd
[5:26] like to think that none of us like to
see that. Um and so it's kind of uh the
[5:31] protect yourself, protect the bear. Um
some ideas that they had to put out is
[5:35] they have asked to the extent possible
if you have the ability to keep your can
[5:40] inside please do so. Um and then just
put it out the morning that it's there.
[5:45] I know that's really difficult because
sometimes Republic is a little
[5:48] unpredictable and comes really really
early um earlier than normal. Um I will
[5:53] say uh and then actually before I go
there also consider bringing bird
[5:58] feeders in. I know in town there's a lot
of people who say, "I have bird feeders
[6:02] out and they just bring them in every
night." Um, this year we are seeing
[6:06] bears every part of town walking down
the street in the middle of the day. Um,
[6:12] so so consider bringing um the bird
feeders in for the remainder of the
[6:17] season. Um, and then the other thing
just from a public safety standpoint,
[6:21] um, if you're walking around town,
anywhere in town really, uh, please
[6:26] consider carrying bear spray, especially
if you're at night. Um, I I I don't
[6:31] think it's safe for people to be walking
around um out at night, you know,
[6:34] walking dogs or or various things. And
again, if you're a worker in Red Lodge
[6:38] and and um you don't have bear spray, um
the bear group got a grant and working
[6:44] with uh YWS, the Yellowstone Wildlife
Sanctuary, they actually have some bear
[6:49] spray training and they have vouchers
for those city workers who are working
[6:54] in our businesses and may not have bear
spray. They can go down and get a
[6:57] voucher and get a can of bear spray,
too. We still um the the latest count is
[7:02] still seven in Red Lodge, but we still
have three or four bears um actively
[7:08] walking down the streets every night in
in in town and and quite frankly during
[7:12] the day. Um
if you see a bear, if it is a grizzly or
[7:20] if it is a human safety issue, please
call dispatch. Um that's 4064461234.
[7:26] Hopefully everybody in town already has
that number. saved in their phone. Um, I
[7:31] did see a hand.
>> Council member Tupin,
[7:33] » just a question on bird feeders. I
didn't think that those were permitted
[7:37] in city limits. I thought that was not
allowed. They are.
[7:39] » No, they they they are permitted. What
is not permitted is feeding of game
[7:44] animals. So, turkey, deer, anything that
can be hunted. Yeah.
[7:48] » Um is not um the the public health and
safety has taking under adisement and is
[7:54] looking at wondering about making bird
feeders not legal within city limits,
[8:00] but it's it's a slippery slope, but at
this point in time, they are legal, but
[8:04] they're just asking people not.
>> So, you can make them not legal from May
[8:08] to like October.
>> Your council, you can do whatever you'd
[8:12] like.
>> No, I know. But in other cities, that's
[8:15] that's what other cities have done. So,
let's let's let's not dive down that,
[8:19] but that'll be that's one of those
things that is under consideration and
[8:22] discussion. Um, so call dispatch if you
see a grizzly or if you have something
[8:27] that's a a human concern. Um, you can
call them on general sightings. They
[8:32] they just probably won't get a response.
Um, dispatch is really good at weeding
[8:36] through those calls. um and and has the
hotlines for all of our um law
[8:42] enforcement and and they're still
working like like the police and FWP
[8:45] will go down at night and run the bears
off out of the alleys. And I will say
[8:49] from a community standpoint, if there's
if there's things we can do um to make
[8:54] the bears uncomfortable, I know we all
like cute pictures. Um but I was really
[8:58] quite pleased. I had some neighbors the
other day that said, you know, they they
[9:01] ran at it and hollered and screamed and
waved their arms and and the bear ran
[9:05] off. And as long as the bears are doing
that, they will live to see another day.
[9:09] If they start to be unfased by humans,
get to the point that they're breaking
[9:13] into garages or breaking into vehicles
or chasing people, um then it doesn't
[9:18] end well for the bear. And sadly, that's
where they go if they start getting too
[9:21] comfortable around people with trash and
bird feeders and that sort of thing. Um
[9:26] tomorrow, for those who are interested,
at 2:00 at the library is our bear
[9:30] meeting. Um we generally have 20 people
or so. Um, the county is planning on
[9:35] attending tomorrow and I've extended an
invitation to Ryan. Um, so I don't I
[9:39] haven't heard back from him. I don't
know if he'll be able to make that or
[9:42] not. Um, but for anybody who's
interested in being part of the
[9:44] solution, uh, we welcome you to those
meetings and that'll be at 2:00 uh,
[9:49] tomorrow. And then hot off the presses
on August 24th, which is the Monday
[9:56] before our next city council meeting at
the senior center, um FWP is going to
[10:01] have their they generally do a couple of
bear meetings a year. Um and generally
[10:06] they kind of wait until after the
season. Um as active as it has been this
[10:10] year and with many things going on, um
they have reached to have that. So
[10:15] that'll be August 24th, 6:30 at the
senior center.
[10:20] um we may want to consider um for the
Monday meeting that we have at staff
[10:24] meeting at 5:30 um whether we want to
shorten that or maybe consider having
[10:28] that earlier um to help make sure
otherwise they set it at 6:30 so we can
[10:32] leave right from here and go directly to
that. Any questions about bears before
[10:37] we move on from the board from the
table?
[10:41] All right. Um
in the packet next time and and our our
[10:47] chief is on vacation. Um so council, you
all have the complete um CFS report for
[10:54] the month with those numbers. Um with
that, I kind of want to throw out an
[10:58] apology. Um we threw out uh we had a
oneweek period of of numbers um that we
[11:06] threw in the packet because we didn't
have the other yet. Um I failed to catch
[11:10] that that was identified or that had the
title of an event on it. um and and
[11:16] apologies and and that was again it's a
it's a time period so it's not
[11:19] everything even tight to that event per
se. Um but the complete numbers are out
[11:23] in front of you and we'll make sure
those are in the packet for everybody
[11:26] next time.
Um the ice rink kickoff meeting is going
[11:32] to be this Thursday here um in city hall
at 1:00. Um reminder that that is in
[11:39] essence a staff meeting. Um due to the
high-profile nature of the conversation,
[11:44] uh it was determined that that will be
open to the public uh to observe.
[11:48] However, I want to make sure that people
understand that is not the public
[11:52] meeting um where public input will be
sought. That will be a follow-up meeting
[11:56] and it's not an opportunity to add or
change uh the requirements that council
[12:01] laid out by resolution. So, it's
basically um the opportunity for staff
[12:06] and and representatives from council to
be there to make sure that they
[12:10] understand what the ask is and just to
clarify. So, that'll be a kickoff
[12:14] meeting here.
>> What's the date and time?
[12:17] » That is Thursday, August 13th at 100
p.m.
[12:21] » They must know that's when I play
bridge.
[12:24] » They planned the whole thing around.
[12:28] » Will they be?
here
[12:31] » and it will be here.
>> Will that be hosted online as well?
[12:34] » Um, not
>> I don't I don't know that there's a plan
[12:37] to host it online. Um, and I for the
record may not be there. I have I have
[12:42] plans that may have me out of town. I'm
I'm presuming that you will be there not
[12:46] heard contrary
>> um to that.
[12:49] » Um yeah, day after tomorrow.
>> Okay.
[12:53] » Um so anyway, so there
>> council member Davis. So that's just the
[12:58] ice rink meeting or is it the grant
committee meeting?
[13:01] » No, no, this is this is just the kickoff
meeting. This is hi, you're doing this
[13:06] report for us. We just want to answer
any questions. If you read what the
[13:10] report is, if you have any questions
about what our requests are and there
[13:14] was a meeting where they sat down and
went through the resolution and spelled
[13:17] out exactly the the the goal of this
report is for council to have the
[13:21] information they need to make a
decision. We we literally gave them the
[13:25] resolution with the ask in the
resolution that council wanted and those
[13:29] are you know if they're not going to be
in the engineering report they have to
[13:32] be presented some you know before we
make a decision those in that resolution
[13:37] had
>> and my understanding is that that's
[13:38] pretty much what the engineering report
is
[13:40] » that's what the it's supposed to be
included within that engineering report
[13:43] the P
>> and we don't have anything preliminary
[13:46] now everything's presented to that
meeting because this meeting is strictly
[13:50] for to run through that resolution and
to make sure that they know ahead of
[13:55] time all of the items that need to be
presented within that report and that
[13:59] the the citizens have the ability to
understand that we are requesting that
[14:03] information
>> and if they have a question what do you
[14:06] mean by number three so this isn't the
resolution that's passed then they can
[14:10] ask and get that clarification at that
meeting.
[14:12] » Okay, great. Thank you.
>> Okay.
[14:16] Um All right. um the water
>> pool operations. We are nearing the end.
[14:23] In fact, we're getting to the point
where it starts to become very very
[14:26] difficult to staff the pool. Um with
with kids going off to college and
[14:30] getting in. Um August 23rd is going to
be the final full day of operations,
[14:37] meaning open swim and lap swim. Um they
are going to extend that for another
[14:42] week um from 24th to 28th, weather
permitting. They are going to have um
[14:48] the lap swims and the aerobics from 7:00
a.m. to 11:00. They're also doing some
[14:52] additional work with the high school and
the and the PE classes to get in there.
[14:57] Um the on the August 29th and 30th, they
are going to open up on the weekend and
[15:02] have recreational swim. So, that'll be
kind of the normal hours. Um right now,
[15:06] the plan is that um and then from the
31st to September 3rd, they're basically
[15:12] keeping it open until Labor Day weekend,
weather permitting. Um, and then
[15:17] aerobics will be up until the 3. On the
3 will be the dog swim evening. That was
[15:23] really fun. Last year there was probably
I I want to say 25 to 30 dogs. I
[15:28] actually took pictures and counted.
>> Did you go?
[15:29] » Um, bait your dogs before they come.
>> Um, and then on the fourth they'll be
[15:34] shutting down the pool and going from
there.
[15:36] » So, and and I'll just give a public
shout out. um the the folks who have
[15:40] worked down the pool this year um have
done a really good job of just stepping
[15:44] up and doing what it took to keep it
running and and the feedback has been
[15:48] really good.
Um approved events. Uh we had one new
[15:53] request on Lion's Park on August 16th.
So that's this coming Sunday. There's an
[15:58] event called Church in the Park. It's
actually multiple churches that have
[16:01] just reserved the park um for a few
hours that day that will be in the park.
[16:05] Thank you.
Um, from a public works standpoint,
[16:12] um, if all goes according to plan, and
we're halfway through one of two very
[16:17] breatholding days,
>> um, a lot of surprises showed up today,
[16:21] but they were able to deal with them
real time, but by the end of day
[16:24] tomorrow, they should be done with all
of the water tie-ins for the water
[16:28] portion of the project that's done.
>> I'll have water
[16:31] » after Yeah. So, we've got one more day
to go through that. After that, it'll be
[16:35] clean up and then and then working
toward um pavement. Um so, uh that's
[16:40] going to start on the week of the 24th
and and and the way it works is they
[16:44] come in and they lay the concrete in the
curbs and this kind of pertains to the
[16:47] EDA stuff as well. Um most of the
concrete, there's some of it they do for
[16:52] the ADA corners that they do after the
paving. So, there's concrete, get it
[16:56] ready, then they pave, and then they'll
come back in and clean that up. Um but
[17:01] that should be done um by the end of
this month and actually even be a little
[17:07] sooner than that. Sewer is going to
start Tuesday.
[17:11] Um there is going to be some impact. Um
they're trying to get to the school done
[17:16] before school starts so that they're not
impacting sewers on the first day of
[17:20] school.
Um,
[17:23] » how nice that blue.
>> And then I said the north end of town is
[17:27] ADA on and and it's folks down on Hower,
you'll see them come in and doing the
[17:31] sidewalk and the curb and then they'll
come back in and do the pavement and
[17:34] then come back and and do the
finalization on the sidewalks after
[17:37] that.
>> So for Hower when
[17:41] » that so Hower taking advant um that's
something else there. Uh I want to say
[17:47] the end of this month check online for
the latest dates. We do keep it posted
[17:50] and that's up there. But we are on on
the closing and and that my my favorite
[17:55] feedback and it's feedback we've heard
several times um is someone will come in
[17:59] and say it's absolutely wonderful.
They're doing great. They're fantastic.
[18:03] Yes, period. And we're so looking
forward to them being done and gone. So
[18:06] that that's a that's part of a statement
as well.
[18:09] » They last um on the street project they
will start paving on the west side next
[18:15] Monday if
>> so that's that's kind of your question
[18:19] there.
>> Yeah.
[18:20] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Soon. Very soon.
[18:25] » Um and and there have been a couple of
questions or comments that have come up.
[18:29] I think there was one contractor that
did not understand that that the city
[18:34] and aka the contractors are respons are
responsible for restoration when they
[18:39] work on those projects and that includes
in the boulevard and grass and
[18:43] sprinklers and all that sort of stuff.
Rest assured that the city is aware and
[18:46] the contractors are aware. Um but I am
aware of of one or two um workers that
[18:52] may not have been aware that that that
is part of the project. So that is being
[18:56] addressed.
[19:02] um
[19:06] Rocky Bank Fort Construction. I'll just
throw out um we are working very hard to
[19:10] make sure that is done by the 30th. Um
there's two problems with that. Um the
[19:16] the the
FEMA would have to extend it beyond
[19:19] that, but more importantly, we're not
sure we can get fish wildlife parks on
[19:23] board. There was a question about how to
do it with willows and they found that
[19:26] what they can do is get the willows and
they don't have to wait for the dormant.
[19:30] They just have to transplant them within
48 hours when they get them in. So, we
[19:34] are still working to have that done. I
will throw out that we are going to have
[19:38] FEMA is coming to town next Wednesday.
Um if you see folks around or down
[19:43] looking at the site, um they are coming
to basically collect success stories and
[19:48] and look at the Rocky Fork. Um, but the
secondary motive is we're going to make
[19:54] sure they get a really thorough tour of
Eagle's Nest. This is the people that
[19:58] So, we're continuing to work our way up
the line to make sure that the people
[20:01] who are approving that project are on
board and and happy with that.
[20:06] I think that did Can you think of
anything else from the public works that
[20:09] I needed to address?
>> No, I think that's about it.
[20:13] » Council member Davis, you had something?
>> No, not from public works. Okay. It's
[20:17] about the um 50/50 sidewalk that there's
been lots of applications and a lot of
[20:22] So it's great people are taking
>> I understand there's one block down
[20:25] there from 5th to six that pretty much
the whole block is taking advantage of
[20:28] it.
>> Half the block
[20:31] » half of one side of the block
half
[20:37] » and and then um council member RDE uh I
have a note that there's a
[20:41] sustainability fair September 10th at
the Roosevelt from 2 to 7. Do you want
[20:46] to give us some more information on
that?
[20:47] » Uh, I'm not sustainability board
anymore, but it's from 2:00 to 7:00 and
[20:52] Stephanie Nofall is arranging it and
there'll be vendors and such from 2 to 7
[20:58] on the grounds at Roosevelt. That's a
Thursday.
[21:01] » The parks board is also up.
>> Oh, parks board.
[21:03] » They're Yeah,
>> they haven't asked me anything, but um
[21:06] » yeah,
>> but Stephanie's in charge. Yeah. So, but
[21:09] anyway, I think there's going to be
music and vendors and
[21:13] » the bear guy maybe and
>> inside.
[21:16] » No, just I think just in a yard.
>> In a nice new yard.
[21:20] » All right.
>> Thank you, Jody, for adding to that for
[21:23] me.
>> That's what I have for any other
[21:26] homework assignments to address during
this stage of the meeting.
[21:31] » All hearing none. And I did your yours
something for later.
[21:33] » I'm good. Thank you.
>> All right. Having do that, um, what
[21:36] we're going to do is we're going to move
on to public comment. So, this is the
[21:41] first of a couple of different options
for public comment. We always start the
[21:46] meeting with public comment, which is
the opportunity for the council to hear
[21:50] any comments within the council's
purview. Um, and then when we have
[21:54] action items, there's always an
opportunity uh for public comment on
[21:58] those. Uh, during the public comment,
you'll have three minutes. um you uh
[22:03] direct your comments to me, please. Um
and again, it's it's it's comments. It's
[22:07] not a it's not a back and forth
conversation or dialogue. Um but we will
[22:12] go ahead and open the meeting for public
comment.
[22:21] » Go ahead. So, come come on up to the
>> Y come up to the
[22:28] » That way they can hear it. I I realize
you're just stalling while I get to my
[22:31] three minutes, so I appreciate that.
>> Um, actually, I just wanted to
[22:35] compliment COP construction. I happen to
be on a block that they've torn up and
[22:42] put back together 106 times. It seems
like they haven't, but um,
[22:48] » can I get your name for the record? I
forgot to say state your name for the
[22:51] record.
>> I'm Sheri McCully.
[22:53] » Okay. And uh anyway, they dug a hole to
put in a fire hydrant
[23:00] and then they of course to connect the
my water line and then it rained and
[23:06] those holes just sunk, sunk, sunk and
they came back and filled them up and
[23:12] put top soil over them. They marked my
underground sprinklers. They were
[23:18] wonderful to work with. That's just my
public comment.
[23:22] » Thank you, Sherry.
All right. Any other public comment?
[23:26] Looking to the room.
Seeing none in the room, let me look
[23:30] online and see if there's any public
comment. I'm looking for cameras turned
[23:34] on or I'm looking for mics off, not on
mute. Anna, I see an unmuted mic. Did
[23:40] you wish to make a public comment?
[23:46] All right. I'm not hearing anything. So,
I'm assuming that was not intentional.
[23:50] And she's there and now it's not muted.
All right.
[23:54] Public comment going once.
Public comment going twice.
[24:00] » Hey, this is Jeff Wise. Hang on a
second.
[24:03] » Go ahead, Jeff. You have the floor for
three minutes.
[24:06] » I don't need that much. Uh, this goes to
the Rocky Fork Bank uh project. Um, a
[24:12] while back I took some pictures of big
chunks of concrete and um, you know,
[24:18] luck from the flood and asphalt over
there by the historical uh, information
[24:23] signs. Uh, are they going to be
addressing any of that stuff that's
[24:26] still in the creek? That's my question.
Okay. Thanks.
[24:32] » All right. Thank Thank you for your
comment, Jeff.
[24:37] Any other public comment?
[24:41] All right, third time we'll go ahead and
close public comment. Um I I will take
[24:49] uh my my option to just respond briefly.
Um the bank stabilization does not
[24:56] address the stuff in the creek. That's a
whole bunch of additional permits and
[25:01] flooding and they and and the the county
is aware of that which is actually their
[25:05] jurisdiction. And so we will continue to
look for opportunities to clean up some
[25:09] of the junk that's been in there for
years and years and certainly not
[25:12] improved by the flood. Um but to my
understanding that is not part of this
[25:15] project.
All right, with that we will um bring it
[25:20] back to the table. Um Jeremy, were you
able to find the script that I'm looking
[25:25] for for for parks board where we qualify
the board and clarify that this is a
[25:30] this n this is quasi judicial in nature
or am I going to have to do it from
[25:34] memory?
Uh, I don't Jeff had that list. So, uh,
[25:39] he uses that the planning board meetings
for the public hearings. I don't have
[25:42] that, but
>> Okay. Thank you. And I and I I have
[25:46] that, too. Um, but I just don't know
where I said I'm looking down one more
[25:52] time and and we have another one next
week and I'll I'll find it and bring it
[25:56] to that. Um but at this point what we
will do um our our our loan action item
[26:02] is actually a variance request which is
for the board of adjustments which is
[26:08] clarified as our city council.
>> So there are certain things um that come
[26:14] directly to the board of adjustments and
bypass planning. This is one of those
[26:18] and I'll let um let um Jeremy speak to
that in just a moment. Um and then there
[26:24] are sometimes when things go to planning
board and if they wish to appeal a
[26:27] decision from planning board then that
also comes to the board of adjustments
[26:31] aka city council. So there will be uh an
appeal request that comes in two weeks
[26:38] just FYI so that you know. Um and with
that what I'm going to do is I'm going
[26:42] to turn the time over to uh Jeremy.
We've got that pen. So he's he's the
[26:46] little head up on top there. Um Jeremy,
do you want to go through the the
[26:50] process and describe um the boundaries
and what we're here to do tonight?
[26:56] » Sure. Thanks, Dave. Uh thanks, council
members. Um appreciate your time
[27:00] tonight. Um this uh application is for
524 Grant Avenue South. Uh it's a
[27:07] sideyard setback variance request uh
made by Cheryl McCully um who you just
[27:14] heard from earlier. Um I did prepare a
staff report for this. Um I will say
[27:21] that variance requests have to be or or
any quasi judicial matter in front of
[27:27] either the planning board or the city
council has to be reviewed based on the
[27:33] merits of the application submitted. Um
and that's based on the criteria that's
[27:38] outlined in the zoning regulations or
whatever regulation that you're
[27:42] reviewing under. uh whether it be zoning
or subdivision or whatever. Um so in
[27:48] this case the staff report was prepared
based on uh the application submitted
[27:54] information provided by the applicant
and the specific impacts or
[28:00] circumstances of this particular
request.
[28:04] uh we do not review uh for potential
impacts uh on future applications that
[28:13] may come in to the city for variance
requests. Um that that that future
[28:19] variance request is based on that
application at that time, right? And
[28:24] that specific those specific
circumstances and those specific
[28:28] impacts. Um so based on uh hopefully all
of you have had a chance to review the
[28:34] staff report that was prepared for this
uh this variance application. Um I'm
[28:39] just going to briefly go through it
since um hopefully you've all had a
[28:44] chance to review it. I don't want to
read the entire thing uh because I do
[28:47] want to get to the applicants uh
presentation or comments on on on their
[28:53] application and then to public comment
and your discussion and questions.
[28:58] Uh so as I stated um the uh variance is
for 524 Grant Avenue South which is uh
[29:05] legally described as lots 15 and 16 of
block 39 of the BLheimimer edition. Um I
[29:13] will make a mention that throughout the
staff report I did notice tonight um as
[29:18] I was reviewing going back through the
staff report preparing for the meeting
[29:22] that it does incorrectly reference it
that it borders 15th Street. It should
[29:28] that is incorrect. It borders 17th
Street. So, I do want to make that
[29:32] clarification and I apologize for that.
Um, that was my fault for just
[29:40] getting that through the entire staff
report. But, um, where 15th Street right
[29:45] away is, it should be 17th Street. Just
just I want to It doesn't change the
[29:49] staff report. It doesn't change the
findings. Um, it's just a reference to
[29:53] the adjacent street and right ofway. Uh
>> Jeremy, when we when there's a motion to
[29:58] accept the staff report, do we want
there to be a motion just to amend all
[30:02] references of 15th to 17th just to
include that in the record?
[30:06] » Yes.
>> Yep. You you took the words right out of
[30:08] my mouth. So
um but yeah uh so this uh uh the this
[30:14] public hearing was noticed uh in the
paper uh uh 15 calendar days or minimum
[30:21] of 15 calendar days prior to the meeting
and we sent uh joining landowner letters
[30:27] um to all adjacent land owners uh around
the property on July 16th
[30:33] um or sorry uh the week of July 20th and
the applicant was notified on July 16th
[30:40] of this hearing. Um the app the request
is for a reduction in the east side
[30:48] required 6-foot uh sideyard setback. Um
the zoning regulations require a 6ft
[30:55] sideyard setback for structures uh
within the R2 zoning district. Um the
[31:02] request is to reduce that down to.7 ft
um instead of the 6 ft on the east
[31:09] property boundary adjacent to 17th
Street. Um in this area currently there
[31:14] is a deck um that deck would be removed
uh and replaced with the addition. Um
[31:21] there is uh approximately 10 ft uh uh or
so of
[31:28] um you know pavement area and and from
the proposed addition to the edge of
[31:35] pavement.
[31:38] See so the the addition does not uh is
not going right up against the uh the
[31:44] existing road surfacing. It is just
close to the existing right-of-way line
[31:49] or property boundary for the prop for
the property.
[31:54] Um let's see.
[31:59] So our our overall the the applicant's
proposal meets uh the sub the zoning
[32:07] regulations for Rad Lodge for the R2
district as far as purpose uh
[32:13] residential parents and um surrounding
uh context. The dimensional standard for
[32:19] the sixoot sideyard setback is the only
request within this uh application.
[32:25] staff recommendation
um is approval with conditions. Um we
[32:31] are proposing
11 conditions um essentially that the
[32:38] approval is limited to the requested
variance. So it's only limited to that
[32:42] sideyard setback. So no other variance
is requested. So there's no height
[32:46] variance requested. No other no other
variances are requested at this time. So
[32:50] the variance is restricted to that. um
must be in compliance with the plans.
[32:55] The property owner must verify the
property line before construction. Uh
[33:00] they cannot encroach any of the project
within the uh street ride ofway
[33:06] including eaves or any other uh any
other portions of the structure. Um
[33:12] drainage and snow management shall be uh
consistent with current drainage
[33:17] patterns uh that are on the property and
cannot substantially be altered. Um need
[33:24] to get a building uh building permit for
the uh for the structure. Um
[33:32] any utility easements or or utilities or
easements should be protected. So those
[33:38] will need to be marked and protected uh
during construction.
[33:42] Any other permits that are required will
be required. Uh the
[33:48] addition has to maintain the residential
appearance which according to the plans
[33:52] will um no expansion other than what's
approved in the variance can be done um
[33:59] without a future uh application and
additional approvals. And then this
[34:04] expires within one year if they do not
uh pursue the uh building permit pro
[34:11] building permits or construction.
[34:16] So the review criteria we have seven
review criteria within the zoning
[34:22] regulations that we have to review for.
We have special conditions uh not result
[34:27] of the applicant's uh anything that the
applicant has done uh strict application
[34:34] uh of the uh regulations is unreasonable
necessary to provide reasonable use of
[34:40] the property minimum variance required
and not injuries
[34:46] um inconsistent with the regulations.
Well, based on uh the analysis that we
[34:52] have done, I'm not going to read through
every single one of these. Um but staff
[34:57] has staff has determined that um this
request does meet all of these
[35:02] requirements.
Um and again, I I will just reiterate
[35:07] staff does recommend approval of the
variance um to reduce that required six
[35:12] foot south uh sideyard setback to
approximately 7 feet. Um, and then I
[35:20] will just finish up by saying if the
board of adjustment uh chooses to go a
[35:27] different direction as in denial of the
variance then you need to make a
[35:32] specific finding as to why you are
denying the variance in conjunction with
[35:37] those seven criteria. So it it has to be
that you you do not consider that they
[35:44] have a special condition and why or you
you you do not feel that um it's it's or
[35:53] you feel it is injurious to the
neighborhood or detrit to public welfare
[35:57] and why right so you need to make
findings as to why you are denying the
[36:02] the the variance application when you
make your uh um when you make your
[36:07] motion.
With that, I will turn it back over to
[36:11] you,
Dave.
[36:14] » All right. So, at this point, what we'll
do is we will open up to questions to
[36:20] Jeremy on the stack report from the
table. So, if you have any questions
[36:24] about anything in here and what it means
or if you want to dig or pry into some
[36:29] of the findings, this is your
opportunity for the table to directly
[36:33] ask questions and have Jeremy answer
those questions. After that, by the way,
[36:37] what we will then do is we will then go
to the applicant who will who will be
[36:40] able to address comments and that's part
of the reason we're doing kind of the
[36:44] questions first. That gives them a feel
for where things are going. Um, and then
[36:48] we'll bring it back and and do a public
hearing before we make our final action.
[36:52] So, at this time, um, um, Council Member
Davis, go ahead.
[36:56] » Um, I was just thinking earlier, and I
may have missed it in the paperwork, but
[37:00] so no neighbors need to be involved in
any of this because it's just our two
[37:05] zones. Jeremy, do you want to speak to
that please?
[37:09] » The question was, do the neighbors need
to be involved in this discussion? Is
[37:13] that what you said?
>> Notification notified.
[37:18] » Whatification is required? What was
done? Thank you.
[37:21] » We we sent uh notification of this
public hearing to all adjoin adjacent
[37:26] land owners, even the land owners across
the street rights of way so they could
[37:30] participate in this public hearing and
or provide written public comment to the
[37:34] board of adjustment.
>> Okay, great. Thank you.
[37:38] » And did you receive any feedback in
written?
[37:41] » I did not.
>> Other questions from the table looking
[37:46] for hands? That was my question is if
there had been any other feedback
[37:50] negative or positive
from neighbors.
[37:55] » I have only one question. Is there any
concern of this building like the
[38:01] extension of it creating any sort of
hazard with view uh on an intersection?
[38:06] That would be the only thing that I have
on it.
[38:08] » Jim Ray, would you like to speak to that
please?
[38:10] » Yep. I did look at that and the addition
is well back from the uh from the
[38:14] intersection and I don't have any
concerns with site vision triangle.
[38:19] » Perfect. Thank you.
>> I I will share that um the information
[38:24] was also relayed on to the building
inspector and fire and that was a
[38:29] specific uh issue that was looked at and
considered.
[38:34] » Yep.
>> Any other further questions from the um
[38:37] council member Davis? Um, just a note on
page seven of seven under public
[38:43] comment, it just says no public comment
has be received. So,
[38:47] » I don't know if it's official document,
but
[38:48] » it it is. I just want to validate. We
haven't heard anything since then as
[38:51] well.
>> Been received is what she was trying to
[38:54] say.
>> Yeah.
[38:56] » Okay. Typo on seven.
>> Seven months ago.
[38:59] » Okay. We can we can do that without we
can do that without an edit.
[39:02] » Yeah.
>> He received.
[39:03] » All right. Sorry, I'm slow.
>> No. No.
[39:06] » All right. Any other questions from
staff before we give the applicant an
[39:11] opportunity to speak to council?
Seeing none, if you would like to come
[39:16] speak to council, this is not a timed
activity. Um, so so I'll I'll cut you
[39:21] off if you get carried away, but but
please point for keeping it short. No,
[39:28] » my name is Sheri McCully. I live at 524
Grant Avenue South. I have lived there
[39:33] for 38 years.
My husband and I are in our seven days.
[39:40] My husband is handicapped. He has a
walker.
[39:45] And uh I went through every every hoop.
I had my land surveyed. I'm on a corner
[39:52] lot. I had my land surveyed. And of
course, the home was built in 1925. So,
[39:57] as you can imagine,
my neighbor lives in my yard on on my
[40:04] north side, which of course created the
six-foot setback on the south side. Um,
[40:12] when I started my remodel project, all
I'm trying to do is move my laundry and
[40:20] a handicap bathroom accessible so we can
remain there the rest of our lives. Um,
[40:28] it doesn't affect I mean, if you look up
and down the street, my project is not
[40:33] going to stick out any further than my
neighbor's garage. My garage,
[40:38] you know, it's just the timing of the
beast.
[40:42] » If I had have known that I was going to
stay here for all these years, I'd
[40:46] probably I couldn't afford it before.
Anyway, the goal is to to make my home
[40:52] habitable so my husband and I can remain
there until we can't.
[40:57] » Perfect.
>> May I ask this question? Can I have you
[40:59] speak to one of the requirements they
give us
[41:02] » is is
an an undue hardship. Can you speak
[41:06] about some other alternatives or plans
you kind of looked out on the layout in
[41:10] the land and and why you selected this
one?
[41:12] » Just the way that my home is laid out.
The only economically
[41:19] feasible approach is to go south. If I
were to go um I would definitely have to
[41:26] admit if I were to go to the the west
that would increase my dining room and
[41:33] give me
but it's not going to do me any good. I
[41:37] don't need a bigger dining room. I need
a bathroom. If I were to go to the east,
[41:44] um, that would connect to my bedroom,
but I would have to change the entire
[41:49] roof line. Um,
it's not economically feasible.
[41:55] » Um, can I ask does where you're putting
the bathroom, does it share a wall with
[42:00] other water and sewer right there, too?
So, it's
[42:03] » Yes. So because that's I know that is a
huge expense if you have to create a
[42:07] whole new water plumbing another section
of the house.
[42:10] » Mark checker here my
>> my contractor and moral support. I mean
[42:16] we've looked at it from every angle we
possibly can.
[42:21] And um yeah if I had a bazillion dollars
first off I wouldn't need a variance.
[42:25] I'd buy a new house. So you know we
tried to look at it from the shortest
[42:30] distance between two points
>> that we could afford.
[42:34] And that's what it is.
>> Any other questions from the table for
[42:38] the applicant?
>> I just want to say that Sherry, I drove
[42:41] by the other day and I think it's great
and I salute you. We're going to hear
[42:46] from a lot of people who want to live in
their homes for a long time and and
[42:50] you're doing the right thing. So,
>> talk to people at the Roosevelt Center
[42:53] and I mean they're always trying to look
for ways to find senior living. You
[43:00] know, I have it. Just help me. Help me
make I I'll tell you how desperate we
[43:05] were. I switched We've been married 40
years. I switched sides of bed with him
[43:12] so he could get Yeah, that's been
exactly.
[43:17] » Yeah. So, there you have it. Don't tell
me I didn't try.
[43:21] I didn't sleep for a month.
>> Any any other questions for the
[43:25] applicant from the table?
>> All right. Hearing none, thank you. We
[43:30] reserve the right to call you back, but
go ahead and have a seat.
[43:33] » Thank you.
>> Um
[43:36] Jeremy, please correct me if I'm wrong
on the procedure here, but I believe we
[43:39] do go to public comment at this point.
>> Yes, you would open up to public
[43:44] comment.
>> All right. So, I'm going to go ahead and
[43:46] open this at public comment. The same
rules apply. If you will direct your
[43:49] comments to me, you will be limited to
three minutes. Please start your
[43:53] comments by identifying yourself for the
record and we'll go from there. Open
[43:58] public comment. And I'll start by
looking to the room.
[44:02] Seeing none, I'm looking online.
Public comment going once.
[44:09] Public comment going twice.
Public Oh, go ahead. Uh Jeff, I see
[44:16] you're unmuted mic. You have the floor
for three minutes.
[44:19] » Yeah. Yeah. I just I guess I just kind
of wanted to raise this Jeff.
[44:25] » Identify yourself. Yeah,
>> Jeff Debenadetto, 317, uh, South Hagen.
[44:30] Um, also chair of the Red Lodge Planning
Board. And I just kind of wanted to just
[44:37] raise the issue about setting precedent.
Um, and and two two things that kind of
[44:45] struck out to me. One was was whether
whether this was really meeting the
[44:52] conditions for strict act application
um is is unreasonable. a strict
[45:00] application of the of the zoning is
unreasonable and and I think um it's
[45:07] hard to see where where this would be
the situation would be any different
[45:12] than than any other residence within
town within town. It's basically
[45:17] adhering to the existing uh layout of of
the plat and lot layout of of the city
[45:25] throughout. And I my concern is that
if you follow kind of the logic in the
[45:31] staff report, um anybody any resident in
town could apply for a variance to
[45:38] setbacks and and it doesn't seem didn't
seem like that really met this criteria.
[45:45] The the la the other comment I'd like to
make is the 7 leaving 10.7
[45:52] ft of space between the proposed
addition and the city rightway. And I
[45:59] guess it has to do with the future um
construction of of gutter and sidewalk
[46:07] and curb. Um,
this block doesn't have existing
[46:12] sidewalks, but the block to the west and
the block to the east does. And I'm kind
[46:19] of just I just kind of wonder with it
being so tight, what sort of constraints
[46:24] are going to entail when the city does
come through and install curb and
[46:29] sutter, gutter, and sidewalk. um with
only 7/10 of a of a foot of space
[46:35] between uh the rideway and the proposed
addition. Um those are just basically
[46:42] the two comments I had.
Thank you, Jeff. Any other public
[46:48] comment?
We'd already done a public comment going
[46:52] twice, so I'll make this public comment
going three times.
[46:57] See, no additional public comment. I
will go ahead and bring it back to the
[47:00] table. Um Jeremy, could I get you to
speak just to for a moment to the
[47:05] comments we've heard uh during public
comment?
[47:10] » Sure. Um
I yeah I mean as to precedent uh again I
[47:16] I
every application has to be reviewed on
[47:21] the merits of that application not what
the effects of that will be on other
[47:28] properties within the city because every
piece of property in the city is
[47:32] developed differently and has different
circumstances. And so I would caution
[47:37] against uh precedent. Um again we we
review for for these seven criteria on
[47:45] every application. Technically any lot
in the city can apply for a variance of
[47:50] any development standard in the zoning
regulations at any time. So, we as a
[47:55] city or staff cannot prevent somebody
from requesting a variance if they
[48:00] choose to go through that process and
come before the board of adjustment um
[48:05] and make their case. Um they can do
that. Um, there are situations where
[48:10] I've had in the past in other
jurisdictions where I have recommended
[48:13] denial of variances because they had uh
clear other alternatives to their
[48:18] project or the impact was too great on
an adjacent property that I felt it
[48:26] didn't warrant granting a variance. And
so in this case, I don't have those
[48:31] concerns. I I will say if they had
proposed this addition to the north uh
[48:38] towards the adjacent property uh uh
owner um and they were proposed to be.7
[48:44] ft from the adjacent property to the
north, I would have recommended denial
[48:49] because they their impact on that
property owner would have been uh would
[48:54] have been something that could not be
mitigated. Okay. But because this is
[48:58] going towards the street rightway um and
it's outside the site vision triangle
[49:02] and all of the proposal is within the
limits of the property um and the other
[49:09] reasons outlined in the staff I felt
that this uh my recommendation for
[49:14] approval was warranted. Um as for
development within the city rideway uh
[49:20] again this this is within the property
boundaries. So typically sidewalk is 1
[49:26] ft off of the property boundary. It's
not right on the property boundary. So
[49:30] this addition would in theory be a foot
and a half well just shy of 2 feet from
[49:35] any edge of sidewalk uh if a future
sidewalk went through here. Um and then
[49:40] I the other thing I would point out is
that in other in other zoning districts
[49:46] we have zero lot line setbacks and
sidewalks are right up next to those
[49:50] those buildings as well. So, I guess I
did don't find that a concern in in in
[49:55] in my analysis, but um and I'll just
leave it at that.
[50:01] » Right. Thank you, Jeremy. Is there any
other questions from the table before we
[50:05] proceed?
>> Um I do have one question in terms of
[50:10] the uh qualifiers because I don't
remember them all off the top of my
[50:16] head, but
>> they're in staff report. No, I mean the
[50:19] the qualifications of the board of
>> ad. Yep. And I'm going to do that in
[50:23] just a second. Okay.
>> So, do you have that?
[50:25] » I I I don't, but I do remember it
somewhat. So, we're to test my memory.
[50:28] » Okay.
>> So, that is our next step.
[50:30] » Okay. Perfect. And I will wait for that
because if I recall, there is something
[50:33] about correspondence.
>> Yep. So, that's the first question. All
[50:37] right. Hearing no other Oh, go ahead.
Uh, council member Daniels question.
[50:42] just to ensure that I'm actually like I
pulled up an image of Google Maps just
[50:48] to verify that I'm actually looking at
the right section. So it's it's the
[50:54] going old school here. If you're facing
the old dead like it's that that
[51:02] » old school
>> I like I remember
[51:06] » back in the summer of hawk six.
>> Okay. Hey plunge.
[51:10] » The old plunge. The old plunge. I got to
>> Yep. All right.
[51:14] » I've been I've lived here since the old
son because that's how long I've been.
[51:17] » Okay. I also remember when you and
Dennis were getting married, so that
[51:21] can't be that long ago. I don't agree to
that. Um, and then there's I I am
[51:26] noticing that there is a sidewalk on the
adjacent side of the road. So,
[51:30] » that one's already Okay. Sorry.
>> Are we done? Just thinking out loud.
[51:34] That's okay. You're at the table. That's
allowed.
[51:35] » Thank you.
>> All right.
[51:37] » Oh, glory. So now we're now we're going
to test my four years of my memory from
[51:41] four years on the planning board. So the
nature before us is quasi judicial in
[51:48] nature which basically means that you
are not acting in a legislative
[51:51] capacity. You are acting in a quasi
judicial capacity.
[51:55] As such uh what we do is we start by
qualifying the board. Is there anyone at
[52:00] the table who has any exparte
communications they wish slash need to
[52:06] disclose at this point of time? That
would be any conversations with the
[52:09] applicants or anybody that's involved
that the board would need to be aware of
[52:13] that you have those communications.
Council member Tupin,
[52:16] » I have had a conversation with Sher I
think like two years ago about this
[52:21] » and just
>> she must have been on a board that I
[52:24] thought I
at this for two years.
[52:27] » Yeah, she's been at it for a minute. So
again, she did bring up that this was
[52:30] something that she was looking at doing.
She wasn't like bribing me or making any
[52:36] any threats or anything. Just more so
letting me know of the nature of it. And
[52:41] I think just knowing that I'm involved
in real estate and have education in
[52:46] this is kind of looking for direction.
So I just want to make that clear
[52:49] » and and that's that's exactly what that
opportunity is for is to make sure that
[52:52] if there's any exparte communication,
it's out in the open and everybody's on
[52:56] board with it.
>> Any other exparte communication anyone
[53:00] wishes to share? All right. Is there any
reason that any board member feels that
[53:06] they have a conflict of interest or need
to recuse themselves from this
[53:09] situation?
>> No.
[53:13] » All right. Hearing none, let the record
show that the board has been qualified.
[53:18] The matter before us is quasi
duditionial in nature. And at this
[53:22] point, what I'm looking at is a series
of motions that are on page three,
[53:27] halfway down the staff report. Um
there's a move to adopt the staff
[53:30] report. Uh we've heard with amendments
and then there's separately a move to
[53:34] approve or deny the variance. I will
entertain motion at this time.
[53:39] » Uh I move to adopt the staff report
VAR-2026-01
[53:46] as the board of adjustment findings of
facts and conclusions.
[53:51] Do you wish that to include any
amendments like
[53:54] » uh as amended to or to amend with the
amendment uh to change any instance of
[53:59] 15th Street to 17th Street?
>> I have a second.
[54:02] » I have a motion from council member
Tupin, a second from council member
[54:06] Ronnie. Any discussion at the table?
[54:11] » All right, hearing none and fully
expecting Jeremy to jump in or Ronnie to
[54:15] jump in if I misstep at all. Um, I will
go ahead and have a roll call on the
[54:20] motion to adopt.
>> Yes.
[54:22] » Daniel,
>> yes.
[54:23] » David,
>> yes.
[54:24] » Ronnie,
>> yes.
[54:25] » Rude,
>> yes.
[54:26] » Tupin,
>> yes.
[54:29] » All right. 6. Motion to adopt carries.
I'll entertain a motion on the variance.
[54:35] I move to approve variance BR202601
[54:42] to reduce the required southside yard
setback from 6 ft to approximately 0.7
[54:50] ft for the residential addition at 524
Grant Avenue South bordering 17th Street
[54:59] subject to the conditions stated in this
staff report.
[55:03] » I will second. I have a motion from
council member RDE, a second from
[55:06] council member Ronnie. Discussion at the
table.
[55:13] Hearing none. Can I get a roll call,
please?
[55:15] » Madd,
>> yes.
[55:16] » Daniel,
>> yes.
[55:17] » David,
>> yes. Ronnie,
[55:18] » yes.
>> Rude,
[55:19] » yes.
>> Yes.
[55:21] » 6. The motion passes.
Thank you for your time and good luck on
[55:27] your project.
>> Good luck you guys.
[55:29] » Thank you everyone.
Thank you, Jeremy.
[55:34] » All right. Uh, thank you, Jeremy. If if
you wish to go at this point, uh, thank
[55:38] you. Your time is is very much
appreciated. And go have a lovely
[55:41] evening, and we'll look forward to
non-billable evening from here on out.
[55:47] » All right.
>> You always got to throw that in there,
[55:49] don't you, Dave?
>> I just want to make sure you stop the
[55:53] clock on the way out.
>> All right.
[55:55] » Thank you for being here.
>> Thanks, everyone. Bye.
[56:00] All right, with that we will go ahead
and close the action portion of our
[56:03] meeting and uh we will bring it back to
the table. For those who have not had
[56:08] the opportunity to um join council
meetings in the past, the second half of
[56:13] our council meetings are basically a
work session. This is where we talk
[56:17] about the stuff that is coming up and
give cha council a chance to talk
[56:22] amongst themselves outside of just the
standing committees and to um make sure
[56:28] that we're ready for action in future
meetings. We will start with the admin
[56:34] and finance standing committee and for
that I will look to committee chair
[56:38] Ronning to lead us through that
discussion.
[56:41] » Okay. Well, up first is our budget
review and that takes up the majority of
[56:46] our packet today. Um, first up in the
packet was the draft resolution um that
[56:54] we we will be passing will be at our
next meeting um for to adopt the 2627
[57:01] budget. And um it's broken down into our
different categories. Um general, comp
[57:07] insurance, health insurance, PERS,
police, retire, all the way down
[57:11] including solid waste, water, sewer,
operating. And as you can see um our
[57:16] property tax revenue is $919,168.
[57:23] Our um non-t tax resources are
27,543,922.
[57:30] and our total requirement for that
budget is 28,463,090.
[57:37] And then after that, it gets into the
weeds of what's behind all of those
[57:43] numbers. Um, first up is our revenue
side. Um, the spreadsheet in there. Um,
[57:51] the value of the mill, as we figured,
went up considerably. Um so what we will
[57:58] actually be assessing or allowed to
access um is 63.02 mills. Um 49
[58:07] of that will be part of our general
fund. The other goes towards the comp
[58:14] insurance health you know all all of
that police retirement and that's broken
[58:19] down in that resolution how that's that
is. So 686,339
[58:24] is what's going into our general fund.
So that that is our
[58:32] revenue side. Um if you go to the second
page, it breaks down our non-levied
[58:38] funds. So that's not property taxes.
That's where we get our water, our sewer
[58:43] fees, our solid waste, our recycling. Um
it also includes um our resort tax. Um
[58:51] and if you look at that um it has what
we currently have um cash available plus
[58:58] what we're estimating to collect um
which begin you know then we have our
[59:03] total resources. So that's what we are
estimating we can spend um if we need
[59:09] to. Um does anybody have any questions
on those revenue sides?
[59:15] Please speak up. I want everyone to
understand this when you vote on it and
[59:20] Um,
>> Council Member Davis, go ahead.
[59:24] » Um, thank you for letting me ask
questions. Um, how does this compare
[59:28] from last year? What went into the
general fund from the mill?
[59:34] » A lot less.
>> Not a lot less. So, so we only get a
[59:37] certain amount of like money and then
the money is determined on the mill.
[59:42] » So, so yeah. And and and we'll and I'll
I'll address again I'll I'll bring the
[59:46] the kind of the special presentation. So
there's almost a twostep process is how
[59:54] we get to this. So people always think
about oh my prop my property got
[59:58] evaluated and the property went up this
much in value therefore my taxes are
[1:00:01] going to go up. And if you read actually
as those and I interestingly enough I
[1:00:05] just read minded um that that came out
this week and one of the things it calls
[1:00:09] out is your property taxes are not going
to go up by the same amount necessarily.
[1:00:13] So what happens is the amount that the
city is allowed to collect in property
[1:00:19] taxes is set by the legislature.
Last year they modified it for the 25
[1:00:28] years prior to that. It was allowed to
go up 1/2 the average rate of inflation
[1:00:34] over the last 3 years. So take last
year's amount, figure out what the
[1:00:38] average rate of inflation was,
and that's how much we get to go up. So
[1:00:43] that's step one and and it has still
done that other than they now said we
[1:00:47] can use the actual rate of inflation and
Lonnie I apologize I looked at the form
[1:00:51] you sent and I couldn't see the number
on there
[1:00:53] » it's like 2 it's like the second line in
that formula
[1:00:57] » so so it's like it's like 2x% so
whatever we got last year we get that
[1:01:02] plus new development plus 2x% so then
the second part of that equation
[1:01:09] is how many mills
does it take to get to that amount of
[1:01:14] money.
>> Okay?
[1:01:16] » And so that's where your property taxes
come in because a mill by definition is
[1:01:21] 1 1,000th of 1% of the entire value of
the city.
[1:01:27] So what happens is if property values go
up, the value of the city goes up.
[1:01:35] Therefore, the value of 1/ 10,000 goes
up.
[1:01:40] And therefore, it takes less of those to
get to the dollar amount that we
[1:01:44] established in step one.
>> The value of the mill went up to
[1:01:48] $14,615.
>> And so last the biggest difference
[1:01:53] you'll see if you compare these to last
year is last year rather than 63 meals,
[1:01:59] we had 90
Jeremy, do you remember off the top of
[1:02:02] your head? 92 point something.
>> Yeah. So we went from 92 or 93 ms down
[1:02:08] to 63 m. So you think, oh no, we only
got we got a third less. No, we got 2.x%
[1:02:15] more, but how many frog skins did we
have to collect to get there? 63 versus
[1:02:21] 93.
[1:02:24] » So the previous year was 2.11% for the
current year inflation adjustment. This
[1:02:29] year it's 2.97%.
>> So So we got 2.97 over last year.
[1:02:35] » Okay. Thank you. And and if anybody is
listening and has any questions, you are
[1:02:40] welcome to to call the city. Um you can
you can call and speak to the clerk. You
[1:02:45] can call and speak to me and I will do
my very best. Um hopefully you should be
[1:02:49] able to call and speak to to um your
council members and they will pull any
[1:02:53] of us in to help if if they need it. But
I appreciate the fact that people are
[1:02:57] asking questions. That's that the the
most the more we can do to help people
[1:03:01] apply that the better it is. Now, one of
the things that is worth noting um and
[1:03:07] this will we'll hopefully we'll have uh
this all finalized um by the time we
[1:03:12] adopt the budget.
We have some obligations.
[1:03:17] Most specifically
um our obligation, we outsource our fire
[1:03:22] protection services
>> to the Red Lodge Fire District. That's
[1:03:26] not actually a city service. And our
current contract is that we pay them 28
[1:03:31] mills.
28 ms is a lot bigger share of 63 mills
[1:03:37] than it is of 93 mills. And in the past
when we've broken that out, we we saw it
[1:03:43] go from 20% of our
property tax general budget to 30%. This
[1:03:51] year we're pushing up close to 50. The
good news is that we have been and are
[1:03:56] in the process of finalizing uh
negotiations with the fire district to
[1:04:02] change away from that millsbased
contract in the negotiations. So we we
[1:04:07] saw this coming and we've been working
at it for a couple of years quite
[1:04:10] frankly um in anticipation of what we
saw in our crystal balls foggy as they
[1:04:16] may be. Um, and so, uh, I I I feel very
happy and comfortable with that and glad
[1:04:23] we were able to get that addressed.
Um, so that's the most significant. With
[1:04:27] that, I'll shut up and turn things back
over to Council President Ronnie, who
[1:04:30] happens to be the the committee chair,
too.
[1:04:34] » Um, so I guess, you know, the revenue
side, um, if you just go down through
[1:04:39] those funds, it includes, you know,
number one, the urban renewal tip
[1:04:44] district. Um we have not spent any money
out of that yet. Um any requests for
[1:04:49] that money will go to council for
approval. Um the resort tax um we have
[1:04:56] currently 1.5 million in cash available
and we pick
[1:05:04] we put 2 million 2 million in for
collections and that's the 3% and we do
[1:05:10] put that high. We don't budget all of
that because we have to collect it to
[1:05:16] spend it. Um, so that's why there's a
cash reserve of $691,000.
[1:05:22] Um, because we did not budget the whole
$2 million.
[1:05:26] » May I add just one little thing to that?
>> Yes, please.
[1:05:28] » We The flip side of that is we cannot
spend it if we did not budget for it.
[1:05:35] So, for the past several years, ever
since when I was on council and we got
[1:05:39] bit one year, um we collected more
resort tax than anticipated and the city
[1:05:46] was not able to utilize that. So, as you
look at the resort tax budget, um since
[1:05:50] that point in time, you will generally
see a pretty large budget line item uh
[1:05:56] along the lines of pay off the pool
early, for instance.
[1:06:00] um you don't have to pay off the pool
early, but if for some reason we have a
[1:06:04] stellar year in resort tax, it gives us
the ability to utilize it for that,
[1:06:10] » but we have to have we have to have
accommodated it within the budget in
[1:06:15] order for us to have that benefit.
>> Yes.
[1:06:19] » Um next is library. Um, and the majority
of the library budget is actually paid
[1:06:26] through the county. It's a separate line
item on your property taxes, but the
[1:06:31] city
>> that's not the that's their special
[1:06:34] account.
>> Oh, okay. I'm sorry.
[1:06:36] » In the general fund.
>> Oh, okay.
[1:06:38] » So, that the library has their own their
own.
[1:06:42] » You're thinking the other
that one right there is all of your
[1:06:46] funds that are not
>> right. So, it's a library levy. This is
[1:06:50] just the city stuff though,
>> correct? The library falls under general
[1:06:54] fund.
>> This is general I mean this
[1:06:57] » where's the general fund on here then?
>> It's not because there's two separate
[1:07:00] sheets. So you have your non- ley funds
which is like the funds that are only
[1:07:05] sustained by what is that the big one.
>> Okay.
[1:07:09] » The other one is the nonederal
funds.
[1:07:13] » Oh so yeah they are the income then
>> yes. So like the library what they get
[1:07:19] from the county is in the non- tax
revenue. Okay. So I apologize then.
[1:07:24] Okay. So so we don't have that itemized
out.
[1:07:28] » Okay. Perfect. Okay. Thank you.
>> It is it does show on the revenues on
[1:07:33] the other sheets the all the
>> right. Yeah because we do have expenses
[1:07:38] and revenues here
itemized. So yeah. So
[1:07:42] » you were just assuming what this was
summarizing.
[1:07:45] » I apologize. Yes. Okay. So yes, so these
are non-levied funds. I apologize. So um
[1:07:51] and this is revenue coming in. Um and
you'll also notice building code
[1:07:55] enforcement. They all of those are the
building code fees. Um those most of
[1:08:00] these are what we call enterprise funds.
Their income can only be used for that
[1:08:05] department. Um specifically um you know
that would be building codes, water,
[1:08:11] sewer, solid waste, recycling. Um, you
know, we don't co-mingle those at all.
[1:08:17] » We're we're allowed to put money into
them, but money does not come out,
[1:08:20] » right?
>> And we don't put money in because we
[1:08:22] don't have money to put in.
>> You can do transfers from fund like
[1:08:26] inter inner fund transfers and stuff,
but they have to be budgeted just like
[1:08:31] we did with
>> storm water. Um,
[1:08:34] » right.
>> I think they we transferred money from
[1:08:37] storm water last year into the EDA to
help with that project.
[1:08:42] » Okay. So that's kind of
>> Okay.
[1:08:44] » But that was that was within the scopes
of what that was could be used for
[1:08:47] specifically,
>> right? Okay.
[1:08:48] » But but but but your your water bill
money cannot be used to help pay for
[1:08:54] fire or anything else,
>> right? So anyway, so those are all kind
[1:08:59] of um laid out there. If anybody has any
questions, let us know. Um go ahead.
[1:09:07] » Um the disaster emergency fund and the
non-money fund. Okay. Where does that
[1:09:12] come from?
>> That's FEMA money. So that will be the
[1:09:15] bank stabilization. Okay. So that that's
coming from like dees and the money that
[1:09:21] comes in for there. So that's your tag
for for that. It's just called a
[1:09:26] disaster fund.
>> Yeah.
[1:09:27] » Okay. I didn't know if it was able to be
used for anything else like the
[1:09:31] » No, no, it has to be the the expenses
for that stuff is paid out of there and
[1:09:38] then when we get reimbursement, we have
to file for reimbursement. Okay.
[1:09:42] » It goes back.
>> Yeah. Do we have
[1:09:45] » Go ahead. No. Oh, do do we have what's
our other disaster emergency fund for
[1:09:52] community use? Do we have anything?
>> No, that was created when the flood
[1:09:56] happened.
>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you.
[1:09:58] » So, so the part of the the budget that
we get a lot of say in, which is why
[1:10:02] that's where a lot of the conversation
in the budget meetings have to do have
[1:10:06] to do with that those those tax revenues
come from the department because that's
[1:10:09] the money that we can use for
>> other things at at our as we direct.
[1:10:14] » Okay. Thank you. And and you'll notice
that a lot of the a couple of these
[1:10:18] funds don't have any income going into
them because they're we're just saying,
[1:10:23] you know, we have this fund set aside,
but we there's no more money going into
[1:10:27] it. So,
>> so you just cash
[1:10:31] which I'll mention to you the cash. So
these the spreadsheets will change
[1:10:37] before the final budget in two weeks
because the cash available because some
[1:10:41] of those claims you guys approved
came out of June last year. So that will
[1:10:47] affect that cash available because you
have to take it
[1:10:50] » out of and I am still continuing to to
work with department heads and review
[1:10:55] budget. So, like I said, this is this is
where we are now, but I anticipate I I
[1:11:00] will I will bet a whole dollar and those
of you don't I don't go over it. I will
[1:11:04] bet a dollar this will absolutely be
different in two weeks, but we'll also
[1:11:08] be able to explain it.
>> Not a huge change.
[1:11:10] » No, it's not going to be significant.
We're not going to pull any surprises.
[1:11:14] » We're we're we're we're trying to seep
out what's what's available to the
[1:11:17] public. Yes.
>> Um but but we continue to monitor and
[1:11:21] edit it. So on the next part of the
budget, the first um is the revenue and
[1:11:27] we did not have this at our last meeting
and this because we do now know
[1:11:33] » expenditures before revenue just so you
know in the packet. So you might have
[1:11:36] rearranged yours.
>> I might have
[1:11:40] but there's two sections expenditures
and revenues.
[1:11:42] » Yes. So the expenditures and we'll do
expenditures first. That's fine. Um I
[1:11:47] don't think much has changed since our
last budget. So, um it since the last
[1:11:52] time it was in the packet, um the only
thing that may is the fire department
[1:11:58] correct taking it once that is settled.
>> We we we we've got that pretty close to
[1:12:03] what set. There's still a discussion
about whether um it's 240 or whether
[1:12:07] it's 240 plus 2.9%. That discussion. So,
yeah, I I I hear you.
[1:12:15] Um and then um the other would be the
the 10% out of the resort tax,
[1:12:20] » which I did look at that after meeting
yesterday. So it would be 149,000
[1:12:28] um instead of 147. So that's
>> that like there's going to be some small
[1:12:33] changes here. There there's there's and
again that's just because we are we are
[1:12:37] making sure that the numbers are all and
and and it's worth mentioning that
[1:12:41] sometimes in fact every year there is
some post-budget activity that's needing
[1:12:46] that is a that is a a a budget what's
the word I'm looking for
[1:12:52] » adjustment
>> audit
[1:12:54] » a budget amendment that also comes to
council
[1:12:58] » to to to shift things from around so
>> and and like we said last time um the
[1:13:03] first thing I always look for is if
there's any changes over last year that
[1:13:07] that percent in that last column, you
know, it's if it's 100% of last time,
[1:13:12] then it's the same. There's no increase
in it.
[1:13:15] » So, it's always worth noting, you know,
if all of a sudden it's 500% higher,
[1:13:18] it's like why what are we doing? You
know, then we ask questions. But you are
[1:13:23] welcome to please review it line by
line. Each page um is a different fund.
[1:13:29] Um not each page, but each section
there. The first one is the general fund
[1:13:34] and it lists everything um that's paid
out of the general fund and that takes
[1:13:39] up it looks like four five six seven
pages of general fund. So there's a lot
[1:13:48] of money that that comes out of that
general fund. Um and um but there's a
[1:13:53] lot more um money that goes into the
general fund rather than just our
[1:13:58] property taxes that we collect.
>> Fortunately.
[1:14:01] » Fortunately. Yes, unfortunately. So, um
you know that please review that so you
[1:14:06] understand it. If you have any
questions, um be sure to let me know or
[1:14:10] anyone on admin and finance. Next is
urban renewal tiff district. Um as I
[1:14:16] said, there's been no money spent out of
that, but it does show their um you know
[1:14:21] that they're budgeting I guess the full
amount that's in there in case someone
[1:14:25] is that right?
>> The only thing we're studying out of
[1:14:27] there is the software that the county
uses.
[1:14:30] » Okay. That's what we have to pay for.
>> And and I think there was actually some
[1:14:33] trip they paid some expenses I think for
for the the conference that they had out
[1:14:38] there. Okay. I remember there being a
discussion about doing that and and
[1:14:43] getting a determination that it could be
but if they haven't turned in receipts
[1:14:45] then it didn't get done for the
software.
[1:14:48] » Yeah.
>> So um but we are this is the expense
[1:14:51] side of it. Our preliminary budget is
the entire budget in case we need to in
[1:14:56] case a project comes up.
>> Yes. It doesn't mean that we're going to
[1:14:59] spend 614,000.
It just means that
[1:15:02] » that's how much is in the savings
account.
[1:15:04] » Yeah. But we do budget for I mean this
is saying it's budgeted in case we want
[1:15:08] to use it.
>> Okay. Um resort tax. Um this is very
[1:15:14] similar to what was
um presented by the resort tax
[1:15:19] committee. Did you make any changes to
it compared to that? So that that's all
[1:15:25] there. Um
and then we have the insurance
[1:15:32] comprehensive insurance liability
insurance
[1:15:35] » which includes um our property insurance
and our liability insurance. So that's
[1:15:41] the combination
>> that's what we pay pretty much.
[1:15:44] though.
>> I'm sorry. That's county.
[1:15:47] » Sorry, wrong one.
>> Okay. So, okay. And then, um, we have
[1:15:52] the library. Here is their expenses that
we, um, it looks like
[1:15:58] » that's their separate fund.
>> Okay.
[1:16:02] And so, that's not what we give the
library. Is this
[1:16:06] » No, that's a whole separate fund that
it's a um they created a long time ago,
[1:16:12] but it's strictly for
>> Okay.
[1:16:14] » certain library services.
>> Okay. So, and then we have disaster,
[1:16:20] it says. Um and that's where the repair
and maintenance bank stabilization is
[1:16:27] at.
>> Yep.
[1:16:28] » Okay. Sorry, I'll try to hurry up. group
health insurance.
[1:16:32] » And and by the way, this this budget is
available just inside the door. Um as
[1:16:37] well as being online electronically in
the packet, there's a hard copy here. Um
[1:16:40] and the public is welcome to stop by the
chat and go through line by line.
[1:16:44] » Yes, please. So, it's it's all here. If
you have any questions, I don't really
[1:16:48] want to read through it line by line,
but we will if we need to.
[1:16:50] » I have an idea.
>> This is what I do because I don't
[1:16:54] understand this. I go to YouTube and
they're wonderful people making
[1:17:01] vid videos to explain every one of
because every municipality in this world
[1:17:05] is doing what we're doing and they are
very helpful to me because
[1:17:10] » sometimes they even make me laugh. But
I'm just saying there if you have if
[1:17:14] you're get hung up on something go to
YouTube and AI is very patient with me.
[1:17:19] » Yes.
Uh I just wanted to make a note that one
[1:17:23] thing that's worth noting is some things
are paid out of multiple funds.
[1:17:28] » So you may see additional line items
where
[1:17:32] » 80%
>> Yeah. And that I just think is very
[1:17:35] valuable to note that you know there's
some things that are being paid out
[1:17:40] additional places.
>> AB absolutely and and that's especially
[1:17:43] true with um salaries.
>> Yeah. Yep. So not the police department,
[1:17:47] police is the police, but definitely
>> caps the caps.
[1:17:51] » I tried to note pretty much all of the
like the things that are separated the
[1:17:56] percentage of
>> and and just to just to reiterate um a
[1:18:00] point that that uh committee chair
Ronnie made earlier. If you go through
[1:18:04] this line by line um and have something
you have a question about or a change or
[1:18:08] a recommendation or some something you
just want to understand, please identify
[1:18:12] that within the next week so that we
have a time to do it. that that when
[1:18:16] when when we're passing it at this time,
it's not not a time to be reinventing.
[1:18:20] » Um, so,
>> right. And then the next section is the
[1:18:23] revenue. And once again, it just goes by
section by section. So, if it's easier
[1:18:28] for you to take and, you know, put put
the general fund by the general fund.
[1:18:33] You can see the revenue coming in versus
what we're spending to spend. But that's
[1:18:38] also where the spreadsheet comes in, you
know, the summary of it,
[1:18:42] » the summary. So, and then our resolution
will be a summary of that. So, that
[1:18:47] that's how it's broken down. Um, but is
there any other questions, guys? I don't
[1:18:51] really want to go all through the
revenue side, please.
[1:18:55] » Unless you want to be here till 10:00.
>> No. All right.
[1:19:00] » All right. Thank you.
>> And and by the way, I would I love I by
[1:19:03] all indications, sound is working, video
is working. So, if you have anybody who
[1:19:07] reaches out and have questions about the
budget, I think this has been a fairly
[1:19:10] good discussion on it. And so folks are
welcome to review that.
[1:19:13] » Yes.
>> All right. Your next item.
[1:19:15] » Oh, my next item. Okay. City
administrator position update on that
[1:19:20] please.
>> Oh, that so so we have signed the
[1:19:23] agreement with Proffman. Um they will be
coming to the they will be attending via
[1:19:30] Zoom um the uh admin meeting in a couple
of weeks. Um, prior to that point in
[1:19:39] time, they are actually reaching out and
conducting interviews um with with some
[1:19:45] council members, with some staff, um
with some community members as we refine
[1:19:52] um that job description. Uh when we're
done, basically council's going to sign
[1:19:56] off and define what that job position
looks like and what its rules and
[1:19:59] parameters are. Um which is why they'll
be coming back in in a couple of weeks.
[1:20:04] Um so that process has started and they
have a map. I don't have it but it it's
[1:20:09] like November. Um but by the time that
process is complete and and if we don't
[1:20:16] find a suitable candidate we will start
over. We will we will revisit that's
[1:20:21] part of our contract uh to go through
and you know you don't plan for failure
[1:20:25] but um if you hire the wrong person
that's planning for failure. So we won't
[1:20:30] do that. Anything
else you wanted on that?
[1:20:34] » Quite um what was the timeline that we
had set for initial review
[1:20:40] um to hire somebody or this whole
process the interview with staff and
[1:20:44] » I I don't have that that whole timeline
with me. I'm happy to give it to you but
[1:20:48] but we will the the initial is in two
weeks they're going to come back with a
[1:20:53] draft of the job description
>> and so that's that's that's that's what
[1:20:56] the admin they they'll bring it back at
that point in time.
[1:20:59] » Okay. Is the goal like to have a city
administrator within a year or
[1:21:03] » Oh, by the end of the year. By the end
of the year to have a city
[1:21:06] administrator. Yeah, that that's the
November I was talking about.
[1:21:09] » Okay. By the end of this calendar year.
By Novemberish.
[1:21:12] » Thank you.
>> I have a friend behind you.
[1:21:18] » All right. Any other questions on that?
>> Committee chair.
[1:21:22] » Okay. Um and then next we had um rural
fire department contract. Um, for the
[1:21:28] mayor, it is still being worked on.
>> That's that's the attorneys working
[1:21:33] together on that basically.
>> Okay. And and just for clarification on
[1:21:37] the budget, is it budgeted at the 28
mills currently and then No,
[1:21:41] » it is it is budgeted on 240 and and 10%.
Okay. Perfect. Okay. So,
[1:21:46] » and that that's what Lonnie was
referring to earlier. One of those
[1:21:48] numbers changed slightly from that.
>> Council member Tupin. So, if this
[1:21:53] contract isn't finalized by the time we
have to approve this, we
[1:21:57] » we can still approve the budget and and
but hopefully we don't end up having to
[1:22:02] go through a massive budget amendment,
but it is my goal that we will have it
[1:22:05] next time. Okay?
>> And it's worth me I mean, we've talked
[1:22:07] about it and we've viewed it, but my
goal is it'll actually be on the agenda
[1:22:12] next time with a funky little X on it.
And if we do that, we'll do that before
[1:22:16] the budget just so we all sleep better.
Is there a way that we can have the
[1:22:19] preliminary contract out that we're not
getting it with the asterisks?
[1:22:24] » You you Well,
>> well, it's going to be you you have the
[1:22:29] preliminary. It's been multiple times.
>> We changed much.
[1:22:32] » It it has not changed much, but but what
what is so there's two things that we
[1:22:36] need in order to be done. One is
>> a legal opinion that says yes, we can
[1:22:42] use this for emergency services. And
then what does the contract need to say
[1:22:49] for that legal opinion to exist?
>> So that that's that's what the attorneys
[1:22:54] are working through.
>> I'm sorry. It's it's the existing
[1:22:58] contract. We're amending the contract.
>> All we're doing is changing it from 28
[1:23:04] mills to 240,000 out of general fund and
10% of last year's resort.
[1:23:09] » My big concern is we don't have a draft
budget for if this doesn't go through.
[1:23:16] And even though we did request that
several weeks ago, we I remember
[1:23:21] specifically asking for two different
versions.
[1:23:25] » We had the version last week up until
this is the first one that includes the
[1:23:29] 240. Yeah, the last one is based on the
28 ms. This is the first version of the
[1:23:34] budget that doesn't have the 28 ms. So
if you go back one time, that's based on
[1:23:39] 28.
>> I did not know what the value of the
[1:23:41] mill would be.
>> Right? That's my big concern is I just
[1:23:44] don't want to be getting a last minute
>> and I can plug in different numbers.
[1:23:48] Yeah. I mean it I can
>> general fund based on the 28 mill.
[1:23:52] » Okay.
>> And all the numbers I it's
[1:23:55] » okay. So it's it is doable and that
again that's my big concern because I
[1:23:59] know it's just a lot and it's a big
difference in price. But I guess it's
[1:24:03] not that big of a difference. We would
>> it's a difference of where it comes from
[1:24:06] more so than anything. It's about a
$30,000 difference I think is what we
[1:24:10] figured out.
>> Was it or 23
[1:24:13] » where we so it as far as the current 240
to the 28 mil.
[1:24:18] » Well, so in the in No, no, no. Not in
the general fund, it's higher, but but
[1:24:22] in the overall budget, it's within
>> it's $22,000 difference
[1:24:26] » and I think it's now 20.
>> So So So if they were to get 28 million
[1:24:31] 409,000. So the way that it's currently
budgeted is 240 out of general and then
[1:24:37] 149 out of the tax. So it would be a
total of three.
[1:24:45] » So we'd be taking other things out of
resort tax.
[1:24:49] » So it'd be 240
>> to cover the general fund.
[1:24:52] » No,
>> no, no, no. We would adjust the general
[1:24:54] fund
>> by the limits of what we had in the
[1:24:57] general fund to do.
>> Okay.
[1:24:59] » So it's 24049.
[1:25:02] » So that's 389,000
and is what we would be paying them with
[1:25:07] the new content. Yeah.
>> 20,000 less.
[1:25:10] than the 28 mill.
>> Council member Rude,
[1:25:16] » I am curious.
>> Okay.
[1:25:18] » Who is representing the fire department?
>> Um, their attorney is Ray Huns,
[1:25:25] » of course.
>> And their fire chief is And actually, so
[1:25:28] they have a board that they're going to
as well.
[1:25:31] » A board of lawyers.
>> No, no, they have a board.
[1:25:35] » No, they have.
>> So, the Rayco is representing his
[1:25:37] brother. That is a true Ray Coons
represents the fire department. He is
[1:25:41] who they have hired as their attorney.
>> Another something for me to look up next
[1:25:44] week this week. Okay.
>> Oh, good. I was hope I was afraid you
[1:25:47] were not going to have anything to look
up.
[1:25:48] » Oh, I got stuff to look up. I've got
more about that later.
[1:25:52] » And and I know that every time we we've
tal when Tom has come to these meetings,
[1:25:56] he's he said this is what I personally
would like, but he's like I haven't
[1:26:00] board to answer to. So So
>> that's that was my understanding.
[1:26:06] Everything has to be approved by their
board.
[1:26:09] » Your your your point that we live in
assault to you and everybody knows
[1:26:12] everybody or is related to everybody is
well taken.
[1:26:16] » So,
>> okay. All right. All I have
[1:26:17] » council council member Davis.
>> Um will someone besides myself be at the
[1:26:23] rural fire district to talk about this
agreement or we just waiting for the
[1:26:28] lawyers to come to the table?
>> At at this point it's minor edits and
[1:26:32] we're waiting for the attorneys to to
finish it. you you don't have to talk
[1:26:36] you don't have to talk about it
>> and and and my so my understanding is
[1:26:39] their board has actually already
approved their budget okay
[1:26:42] » based on the agreement okay so the
amounts what's what's changing in the
[1:26:46] agreement is not the amounts or anything
like that what's changing in the
[1:26:49] agreement is the paper tracking system
that works for both the city and for the
[1:26:54] fire district okay
>> that's what's currently under discussion
[1:26:57] » is how do they track capital assets I
just want to be prepared if they have
[1:27:01] questions and I do not feel comfortable
>> Oh no You you you you you won't you
[1:27:05] won't need to answer those questions.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:27:07] » You'll get to witness them answering.
>> Okay. We need to keep going cuz we got
[1:27:10] to get out of here. Well, we got a
meeting to do here because we put it all
[1:27:14] off last year. So,
>> um like and it's kind of important stuff
[1:27:18] because we didn't talk about it last
year.
[1:27:20] » A lot of superficial stuff going on.
>> Okay.
[1:27:24] » Okay. Um so, are we are we good with the
are we done with the fire?
[1:27:28] » Yeah. I think I said that when when we
get that done, we'll bring it back and
[1:27:31] as quickly as I get it, I will send it
out so that council has a chance to look
[1:27:35] at it. But but again, the it may be that
there's zero edits to that contract or
[1:27:40] maybe that there are edits added to the
contract for the tracking purposes.
[1:27:44] » Okay. All right. So, lo and behold, we
have the airport interlocal agreement on
[1:27:50] um
on the agenda. Um, we have met, um,
[1:27:56] Jeremy and I met with, uh, Mike Naples
and the county commissioner, Bill
[1:28:01] Bullock. Um, we had some suggestions.
Some of them didn't really work. Um, I
[1:28:07] went to the airport board meeting um,
with, um, the council president from
[1:28:13] Bridger was there, Mark Duter, um,
trying to get find out what Bridger's
[1:28:17] concerns were with approving it. Um, I
think we've got that um, ironed out and
[1:28:22] settled. I will say that when you're
reading through this document, there is
[1:28:27] an error on this one that got put in the
packet. That's not the one that we've
[1:28:31] been using. Um, the main error is that
the city will not be putting in um, an
[1:28:36] additional 10,000 that has been
stricken. Um, it will just be our one
[1:28:41] mill that we it's one mill from the US,
one mill from the county, and one mill
[1:28:45] from the jerk.
>> And just to clarify, it's equal share.
[1:28:48] So if the county pulls a half a mill,
then we put in half. Correct. So So we
[1:28:52] we match an equal share
>> and and that's why we have not been
[1:28:55] paying a mill over the last couple years
because the county has not been
[1:28:59] contributing a whole mill. So that's why
if you ever look at that question it
[1:29:02] like I did. Um, so with this, um, back
in when I was on council with, um, Jen
[1:29:12] Battles and Terry Durban, we worked out
the majority of this interlocal
[1:29:18] agreement and it had been approved by
that council. It had never been signed
[1:29:22] off on by the county commissioners. So,
we've been working under the old
[1:29:26] agreement this entire time. Um, so I am
very hopefully thankful that um
[1:29:34] hopefully they will sign this um
the it does have what council wanted um
[1:29:41] the equal representation on the board of
33 and three. Um it has that we will get
[1:29:46] a copy of the budget. Um and the
county's best date to have that is uh is
[1:29:51] in September because they're like us.
They don't get their budget done until
[1:29:55] then. Um, it also has that the
dissolution of the board must go to um
[1:30:02] that body like county commissioners,
they would have to vote on it and say
[1:30:06] they want out. Um, if Red Lodge wants
out, it would have to go to the city
[1:30:10] council. If Bridger wants out, it would
have to go to their city council. So,
[1:30:15] um, you know, not just one single person
can say, "We're done." Um, it has to go
[1:30:20] to those governing bodies. Um and um
what oh and the other thing that we kind
[1:30:28] of hashed out at that meeting was um we
will have a list of those assets that
[1:30:34] are jointly held um so that if there is
a ter and it'll be updated every year so
[1:30:40] that if there is a termination
each entity will know exactly what they
[1:30:45] have to pay to get out of the agreement.
So we don't get a bill for you know $5
[1:30:48] million. Um and it's so and it has to be
um you know actual you know what they
[1:30:56] what they paid or what they have into it
not some blown up number. I don't know
[1:31:02] how else to explain that.
>> So um Jeremy do you have any more
[1:31:05] comments on that because you worked on
it with me as well.
[1:31:08] » Um the only modification was didn't
Bridger ask if they could send a proxy
[1:31:14] as
>> and that's actually added in the that's
[1:31:17] in the line four.
>> Yeah. And I forgot about that. And
[1:31:19] that's mainly becau and and also because
we said up to three. They were kind of
[1:31:23] worried that they might not get three
people able to go all the time to the
[1:31:27] meeting. So they would have three
appointed, but if one of them could, you
[1:31:32] know, they could do a proxy vote if
necessary. So
[1:31:35] » and a quorum does have to consist of at
least one person from each.
[1:31:38] » Correct. Yeah. So that's good. So you
always get that equal representation
[1:31:43] type of thing. So, we are hopeful that
um we will have this up for a vote soon.
[1:31:49] Um county, it's next week. I mean, next
meeting.
[1:31:52] » It could be the next meeting with the
with that correction in there.
[1:31:55] » Yeah. If everyone's okay to vote on
this, anybody have any questions on
[1:31:59] this? Um it's been a long time coming.
Really, you know, I'm very hopeful that
[1:32:05] hope fingers crossed that I
>> I'm a little concerned that Mr. Bullock
[1:32:10] said at least we'll have a visual proof
that we're working on this. didn't seem
[1:32:14] very sincere. I mean, it looks makes it
look like we're doing something. I mean,
[1:32:19] I I thought it was a little uh set
aside.
[1:32:24] Flip it. Let's flip it to me.
>> Well, it's been going on for years.
[1:32:28] Four, five,
>> five, three.
[1:32:31] » I think we want to move on.
>> Well, that's what I'm saying.
[1:32:36] » I will I will say that that that So,
there was there was a couple of things
[1:32:40] and and I apologize that that last line.
So what happened is there was a version
[1:32:43] of this document we went I I went
through and fixed the numbering on
[1:32:46] because we had like three number ones
and skip number two and blah blah blah
[1:32:50] and there was a version this this
version that had the city of lodge will
[1:32:54] contribute an additional $10,000 there
was a change that had happened after
[1:32:59] that basically that had come to me and I
was like I'm not saying you can't pass
[1:33:03] that but you're going to have to pass it
twice that to me is was problematic um
[1:33:07] and so we got rid of that but the
biggest the biggest dispute is still
[1:33:10] over that representation I think the
county still wants um 32 and two. Um the
[1:33:16] other municipality, as near as I can
tell, is on board with with with the 3,
[1:33:20] three, and three. And I think all three
all three municipalities are trying to
[1:33:24] get this passed in the near future, but
I said this we we always bring things
[1:33:29] for a discussion before they're up for
action. So,
[1:33:32] » and in a 322 situation, who would break
the tie?
[1:33:36] » Well, it's a board of ex members. So in
the 322 there were three county
[1:33:42] commissioners and two from each
municipality.
[1:33:44] » So that's seven. So there would be no
tie break.
[1:33:47] » 322.
>> Yeah.
[1:33:48] » Is seven.
>> Oh god. Add up to eight. Okay. Got it.
[1:33:52] » I'm tired. Just go. I'm sorry.
>> So what we're going to we'll be voting
[1:33:57] on it then at our next city council
meeting if everyone's okay with that.
[1:34:00] And um if we pass it, Bridger passes it,
you know, maybe that'll be enough for
[1:34:05] the county to say we're okay and pass
it. Fingers crossed.
[1:34:09] And that's all I have unless uh Jeremy
or Chelsea have anything.
[1:34:13] » Cause for celebration.
>> I think it's a good agreement.
[1:34:16] » Thank you.
>> Good luck.
[1:34:19] » All right. Anything else from admin and
finance?
[1:34:22] » No.
>> Anything for admin and finance?
[1:34:28] » All right. Hearing none. Um let's go
next to land use and planning. And with
[1:34:35] that, we will go to committee chair
Tupin.
[1:34:40] » Hi everybody.
Um, sorry I figured that just an
[1:34:45] introduction. Um, so this first off the
U tennis or not the tennis, we'll get to
[1:34:51] that next. Uh, the O'Neal Trail. Um,
right now Mike Maples is in the process
[1:34:57] of getting all of the additional
reporting done and engineering,
[1:35:04] sustainability. There's three specific
reports.
[1:35:07] » Engineering,
>> um, environmental
[1:35:12] » Thank you. Um, so getting those done.
Uh, been having some issues with the
[1:35:18] flags, but been putting those in. the
bench has gone in and then once there is
[1:35:24] um
all those reports back we will be
[1:35:27] getting a staff report for review here
at council for the final approval to
[1:35:32] make sure and then also just making sure
that all the conditions are met in
[1:35:35] thatou um that is currently what is
going on there then let's see next on
[1:35:43] the list can I say can I ask a question
about O'Neal uh I went up there today
[1:35:48] and the uh despite
uh uh a neighbor's um request to have
[1:35:54] this postponed. It has been installed
>> and I am not an artist. I am very
[1:35:59] rational, but um someone tell me this
what didn't fall off the back of the
[1:36:04] truck. Um there is a crack right through
here. Um but and it's sharp edges on the
[1:36:10] this end, but it's there. It's been in
place and I think the parks board
[1:36:16] thought they would have a say in this.
But um go up there and sit at it and uh
[1:36:22] but someone tell me if we didn't get a
dud from uh that fell off the back of a
[1:36:27] truck.
>> Who picked that? Who
[1:36:29] » arts?
>> I don't know.
[1:36:31] » I guess there's art, but I'm not an
artist. I'm just saying it's worth going
[1:36:35] up to look at.
>> And there was there was a copy of that
[1:36:39] uh letter was actually handed out to
>> tonight.
[1:36:42] » Yeah, I I don't believe it was in the
packet. um it was wasn't requested in
[1:36:46] there, but but like I said, we can we
can put that in there. Uh
[1:36:50] » and to address the concerns of our
neighbor as well as um kind of the
[1:36:57] process of why the bench was put in
place before advisory board reviews and
[1:37:02] council approvals and all of those types
of pieces is as we have been looking
[1:37:08] through and we'll get into this next uh
the change of use of city-owned land. Uh
[1:37:14] we do feel that city staff is competent
enough to make decisions for benches, uh
[1:37:22] smaller placements, specifically things
that can be reversed. That's the biggest
[1:37:26] piece. And we know that it's a big
bench, but when we asked Mike Maples his
[1:37:31] comfort level for being able to move it,
he's like, "If I need to move it, I can
[1:37:35] move it."
>> So, yep. So, specifically, we want to
[1:37:38] give him some benefit of the doubt and
his placement. Um, if the parks board
[1:37:43] wants to come through and say, "We hate
this. This is the worst. Mike Maples,
[1:37:47] please move it." I imagine he would be
pretty amendable to that. Um, but again,
[1:37:52] with how we have our current process in
place, um, one, I know that they were
[1:37:58] aware of the fact that there would be a
bench put in, so if they had feedback,
[1:38:02] they probably could have provided it.
Um, and also I know that they were aware
[1:38:06] of the trail system. Again, I'm not
saying that maybe they were taken aback
[1:38:10] by the timing of it because I also did
not know when it was going in. I don't
[1:38:14] think many did, but again, it's not
something that we really have up on the
[1:38:18] high scale radar of this needs full
approval.
[1:38:22] » And I will add that the process that
said benches down in that lower category
[1:38:28] approved actually did go through the
parks board and they signed off on that
[1:38:31] as well. So they they said these are the
things that don't need to come to us,
[1:38:35] » right? And and it does have that in the
application. Type a minor and
[1:38:38] administrative temporary or reversible
projects.
[1:38:41] » Be that as may look at it and see if we
got a bum bench that fell off the back
[1:38:46] of a truck.
>> Well, hopefully it's bum enough that
[1:38:48] it'll deteriorate in five years and
we'll never have to worry.
[1:38:52] » My bum
again. End of the day, if we feel that
[1:38:56] it's an atrocity to the city, then I'm
sure that we could file some complaints
[1:39:02] with public works. But I I really truly
don't feel that this isn't something
[1:39:07] that public works is capable of
handling.
[1:39:11] » Um at a certain point we do have to
trust our adviserss and our our staff uh
[1:39:17] to do a good job and if we don't then
that's a bigger conversation. Um okay
[1:39:23] onwards the next thing to piss people
off
[1:39:29] so specifically tennis courts. Uh I
don't think we're actually I think we're
[1:39:33] just upsetting people with taking too
much time. The reverse problems. Um so
[1:39:37] we have received an application for the
use of city-owned land from the tennis
[1:39:44] courts. We are still awaiting a um a
staff report from Jeremy and um most all
[1:39:53] of the advisory work has been done. All
the leg work has been done. All of that
[1:39:58] part of the process is completed. So,
we're just waiting for that report,
[1:40:01] which then can come to council and a
30-day hearing period can take place.
[1:40:06] Um, I was expecting that report for this
week, but I I think Jeremy was also out
[1:40:12] of town.
>> So, there's likely that was a big part
[1:40:16] of that issue. I know that it is on his
radar now. So, hopefully we will have
[1:40:20] this and be able to move forward in
>> and just to clarify, my understanding
[1:40:24] was that if we get the staff report, we
can go ahead and run the ad in the
[1:40:28] paper. Y
>> even prior to council reviewing the
[1:40:32] stack report to start that 30-day
countdown.
[1:40:34] » Yeah, send also your flowchart.
>> I have requested uh Lonnie print several
[1:40:40] copies that we can hand to the room at
the end of the meeting.
[1:40:43] » I sent you an email like during this
>> we will we will we will we will we will
[1:40:50] forward it on to council.
So, specifically, um, one thing that we
[1:40:55] had been working on and I was having a
hell of a time finding yesterday was
[1:40:59] our, uh, process and kind of a flowchart
to help understand because we've been
[1:41:04] working on not just the application, but
the process and procedure of what these
[1:41:09] are going to look like. Um, I had tried
after our previous land use and planning
[1:41:15] meeting to put together a flowchart that
kind of breaks it down and makes it a
[1:41:18] little bit easier to understand when the
timelines will be, what the expectations
[1:41:24] should be for city staff as well as for
the applicants. Um, so I think it does
[1:41:30] break it down nicely and I did find
that. So, I will um again hopefully I'll
[1:41:35] get a copy printed for you guys if you
want to wait till the end of the meeting
[1:41:38] and then we'll get that in next week's
packet uh preferably. Um but it it still
[1:41:43] has some highlighted pieces that are
action items that we'll have to work on,
[1:41:48] specifically some templates, um some
motions to carry, and just some overall
[1:41:53] review that we'll have as a as a
steering committee. So, that kind of
[1:41:57] ties in together. Again, hopefully we
will have yours up for review at our
[1:42:01] next meeting and then we can make an
action at our following meeting. That is
[1:42:06] the goal. Um, and I imagine that we
should be pretty close.
[1:42:11] » I don't think the action would be at the
next meeting because 30 days it can't be
[1:42:15] because 30 days hasn't started yet,
>> right? And that's what I'm saying is it
[1:42:18] won't be at the next meeting. It'll be
the one after.
[1:42:20] » And I'm saying no because that would
only be 28 days.
[1:42:23] » Oh, well, just kidding.
>> Add two weeks to that. Yeah. 30 days is
[1:42:27] is a number.
>> Yep, that is a number. And one thing to
[1:42:31] clarify too, part of the reason that we
are very and we understand that Barb has
[1:42:35] been very patient as well as tennis um
in terms of this process because it's
[1:42:40] something that we're working through and
we're trying to do it in concert with
[1:42:43] some moving pieces. One of the real
reasons we're being very adamant about
[1:42:48] the 30-day review is though this has
been a public discussion for the past
[1:42:52] year and there's been drawings shown,
there's been uh plans discussed and all
[1:42:58] of those items until you can really see
the full picture in these packets and
[1:43:03] get a chance to review it. I think it's
only fair that the public has that
[1:43:07] opportunity uh and then that way they
can speak to it and also hopefully
[1:43:10] understand it better. So my hope is that
when we get these applications and these
[1:43:15] staff reports, it will provide
clarification and truly
[1:43:20] some buyin across the board with the
community. So set the precedent for all
[1:43:24] of our
>> Yeah, it really does. And so we're
[1:43:26] really trying hard to do things the
right way. We're trying very hard to
[1:43:31] trust our staffs and create procedures
for them to review so that they can make
[1:43:37] educated decisions without holding our
hands and without ever having subjective
[1:43:43] decision making taking place. That's
really crucial for the whole process. Uh
[1:43:48] so again, we always appreciate
everyone's patience um as we work
[1:43:52] through it. And again, there's a good
example now in our applica like of an
[1:43:57] application in the packet that people
can kind of review. And again, it's not
[1:44:02] done yet. So like if there's anything
that people feel like this is kind of
[1:44:06] lacking, we'd rather see this that or
the other. Please by all means bring
[1:44:10] that feedback because I'm we're already
finding things that have gaps. like we
[1:44:14] already are seeing like oh man we really
do want to have theseus ahead of time
[1:44:18] and we really do want to see this before
uh having you know
[1:44:23] » reemphasized the point you made and that
is that this is going to work at the
[1:44:26] speed of government um by by design is
supposed to and and while I appreciate
[1:44:31] the the need to say if we can get done
now and it could be done for next year's
[1:44:36] season um from from from my position
we're right on schedule with what we've
[1:44:42] been projecting we would from the so the
get we're not we're not behind of what
[1:44:46] we said this would take.
>> Yeah. And end of the day again we're
[1:44:49] trying to do our due diligence because
it's not one person's piece of land. It
[1:44:53] is all of our land and it probably be
faster to buy a lot and build a tennis
[1:45:01] court.
>> It would be this is a city.
[1:45:03] » Yeah. And that's exactly the the case.
So again I I appreciate everyone's
[1:45:08] patience as we work through this. Uh
again, Lonnie and Dave, I will I've sent
[1:45:12] you the copy of that flowchart today. Um
so if anyone if we could get that in the
[1:45:18] packet, that'd be great. I know there's
some typos, so again, don't don't
[1:45:21] slaughter me like we're working on it.
And again, would like to have some
[1:45:26] » anything else from land use and
planning.
[1:45:28] » Uh
hold.
[1:45:33] » Any questions for land use and planning?
[1:45:38] » All right. um public works.
>> Um well, we pretty much hit on
[1:45:45] everything except um we do have on the
agenda the water rights and um
[1:45:51] » I will yeah I will just give a really
high level overview. We talked to dees
[1:45:55] and the biggest thing we got was that
this is not an emergency. This is not
[1:45:59] emergent something that has to be
addressed. Um th this was some water
[1:46:03] rights from that were given to the city.
Um and there was a proposal about
[1:46:08] selling those. Um and and but but um the
short answer is we've we've we've had
[1:46:16] we've talked to the state. Um the state
is going to be our attorney's going to
[1:46:19] be following up with the state and
coming back to us with recommendation.
[1:46:21] But all we've clarified right now is
this is not an emerging issue that we
[1:46:25] have to take care of yesterday.
[1:46:31] » I think that's all I have on that.
>> Okay, I'm good.
[1:46:34] » All right. Anything else?
>> Public health.
[1:46:36] » I guess we should ask or Patty, do you
have anything else you want to add for
[1:46:40] public works?
>> Do you have anything you want to add
[1:46:42] » to public works?
>> No. Okay, good. All right.
[1:46:46] » Don't want to leave you out.
>> Don't worry.
[1:46:51] » Public public health and safety.
[1:46:57] » Public health and safety. I think you
pretty much touched on everything in
[1:47:00] your mayor's comments um concerning the
bears issue. That's most of our
[1:47:05] discussion. Um we did have Dan the Bear
Man come in and
[1:47:12] kind of explain the severity of the
situation um and really wants the public
[1:47:18] to be aware of how serious this matter
is. Um again, they are doing something
[1:47:24] on the 24th.
>> Yep. we
[1:47:28] » at 6:30 and the bear meeting is tomorrow
at 2.
[1:47:30] » And then the bear meeting tomorrow too.
Um yeah, that took up most of your time.
[1:47:33] And then um on our agenda for public
health and safety that I have kept a
[1:47:38] safe zone and signage um and that is
something that has just been on there
[1:47:43] for what I feel like forever now. But we
feel that until we see signs or some
[1:47:49] sort of change, it will remain.
>> Keep it up.
[1:47:55] So, um, because Dan came and spoke at
public health and safety, do you think
[1:48:00] it is 100% worthwhile for people to
listen or watch that meeting?
[1:48:05] » 110. Okay.
>> It was alarming.
[1:48:08] » It will be on you uh it aail up on
YouTube soon, probably tomorrow. So,
[1:48:15] please watch the public health and
safety meeting at your
[1:48:17] » We have a very unique situation that
bears like that's not really replicated
[1:48:22] anywhere in the state. Huckleberry.
>> No,
[1:48:26] » it's a creek and no no no timber. So I I
found it very interesting and we all
[1:48:33] need to hear the story.
>> I will watch it.
[1:48:36] » All right. Anything else from public
health and safety? Any questions for
[1:48:39] public health and safety?
>> All right. Correspondence.
[1:48:44] » No.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I skipped I opportunity
[1:48:48] to do anything before we get to
correspondence.
[1:48:50] » Okay. Um, I've got 10 minutes, so I'm
I'm just going to be brief and say that
[1:48:55] maybe all this what I want to talk about
will come in the future because I don't
[1:48:58] I don't think I can wrap it up in 10
minutes. But I'm um um first of all, I
[1:49:04] think it's maybe the meeting on Thursday
will answer all the questions, but I
[1:49:08] will not be there um about the ice rink.
I think we need an update on what's
[1:49:12] going on with the ice rink um at both
locations. Um, I I don't know if
[1:49:19] anything's been going on there, but I
think if it doesn't happen Thursday, I'd
[1:49:24] like it to be on the I like the ice rink
people to come and update us. I think
[1:49:29] I've had a lot of questions about what's
going on. And um so I that's one thing
[1:49:34] I'd like to see on a future agenda.
Okay. Hey, if y'all remember two weeks
[1:49:39] ago,
um
[1:49:43] I the mayor mentioned censuring him and
I said I'd take care of that and I wrote
[1:49:50] a resolution and I gave it to the
attorney, Mr. Steel, who said he would
[1:49:55] share it with Scott and I'm assuming he
will share it with you and MMIA. But um
[1:50:01] I did what you uh suggested and um I
wrote a resolution um about that. And
[1:50:08] then
what I'm also concerned about is that I
[1:50:13] sometimes I get home and I get smart too
late and I got home last night last week
[1:50:19] and I realized that what we talked about
should have been recorded.
[1:50:24] There's very little of what we talked
about was HR. It was about you and you
[1:50:28] explaining what happened prior to you
terminating Dennis. None of it was
[1:50:32] recorded and I don't know what to do
about that. I really don't know if we
[1:50:37] should um put it on the agenda and we
talk about it again. But that that was
[1:50:42] not a private conversation. very little
of it which was uh you know
[1:50:49] you fired Jennison on the 15th and this
was August um I don't know when it was
[1:50:56] five weeks after he was terminated and
um so it's
[1:51:03] it's not like um we're all surprised. We
weren't surprised and I think it's um
[1:51:08] the fact that you did not talk to us is
a breach of our contract, our charter
[1:51:12] and I I want um I I want to put that
resolution on the agenda in a few weeks.
[1:51:19] » So I if you'd like to right now you can
make a motion. I said council can put
[1:51:24] anything on the agenda.
Steel, I talked to Skyler.
[1:51:27] » I haven't seen it yet, but you can still
put it on the agenda if you want.
[1:51:30] » Skyler had to talk to Scott and then
they then Skyler mentioned MMIA and
[1:51:35] maybe I'll talk to um uh Skyler, but um
I u also I think even more importantly
[1:51:42] is what we talked about was not recorded
and I don't know I have no idea what how
[1:51:47] to handle that.
Anybody got any ideas? Well, I just have
[1:51:53] a it was a closed meeting because it was
an HR sensitive
[1:51:59] meeting, part of the meeting, and I saw
the email where Dennis did not wave his
[1:52:04] right to privacy. So, we had to have it
be a closed meeting because we didn't
[1:52:08] know exactly what was going to come up
in that meeting. So, I mean that I'm not
[1:52:13] arguing that. I'm arguing that at some
point it should have been reopened when
[1:52:17] the mayor started telling us what
happened on June 9th when he um and I
[1:52:22] would argue that's exactly the part that
was a closed meeting. But
[1:52:26] » I mean
>> but you you you told us what you should
[1:52:29] have done. There were five things I wish
I'd done this. I wish I'd done that. And
[1:52:32] why isn't the public um um should hear
this? But be because Dennison did not
[1:52:40] wave his right to privacy and we never
know what's going to come up when it's
[1:52:45] an HR situation and as an employee he
had that right to privacy and we gave
[1:52:50] that to him.
>> Let me let me
[1:52:52] » it moved on. It moved on past
>> and and it may have but no one moved to
[1:52:56] I mean I guess shortly that's a terrible
tab
[1:53:00] » but the whole but the whole part of that
meeting needed to be closed because we
[1:53:04] didn't know what we were all going to
ask. We couldn't say, "Oh, wait. We need
[1:53:07] to close the meeting again." It doesn't
work that way.
[1:53:10] » Let let me help a little bit or I'll try
because I'll restate what I believe is
[1:53:13] referring as given a time machine. What
that letter would have said that I
[1:53:18] written a letter is not that we are
terminating services. It would have said
[1:53:22] we are I'm exercising the right from our
contract to provide 30 days notice and
[1:53:26] your service will end on which is which
in essence what it is. But the word
[1:53:31] » I read it today. You wrote it on June
15th and I wrote you on June 16th asking
[1:53:36] at the meeting to have a charter for
everybody to read and the Montana law
[1:53:41] that you don't you can't you can't um
terminate people
[1:53:47] requires council approval
>> and it's so cool because Montana is the
[1:53:50] only state that has that and but but I
have not I requested it on June 16th for
[1:53:56] the next meeting. Haven't seen anything
anything I request I don't get.
[1:54:00] Everybody,
>> that's why I
[1:54:03] » Is there a motion you would like to make
at this point, Council Member Root, to
[1:54:06] put something on the agenda because I'm
giving you the opportunity.
[1:54:08] » Well, I've got 10 days, right?
>> You have as many days
[1:54:11] » I'll talk to Skyler, see what they're
doing.
[1:54:14] » You can do it two weeks from now or a
month from now where I want.
[1:54:16] » I want to do it now because this time is
of the essence and you mentioned it. I
[1:54:21] said, "Okay, I'll I'll look into that."
And I wrote a resolution. Any any other
[1:54:27] business that anybody else on council
would like to bring up at this point in
[1:54:30] time?
[1:54:33] All right. Hearing none, let's go to Oh,
wait. Was that a
[1:54:36] » No.
>> No. Okay. Correspondence. Any
[1:54:38] correspondence that council would like
to share?
[1:54:41] » Uh, I do have a couple. Um, two
specifically based off of the
[1:54:47] construction projects
>> that are going on. Um, one is just some
[1:54:52] concerns with citizens of where they've
taken up part of the road and it hasn't
[1:54:58] been fully like cleaned up on the on the
edges. Um, that's been a big concern
[1:55:04] with a few folks. And again, some of it
I'm really excited about cuz it's going
[1:55:08] to be the whole bit, but there's others
pieces that it's like, oh, this just
[1:55:12] keeps getting worse.
>> And it will be done. That did come up.
[1:55:15] So, this the the restoration will be
done. Okay. But the project is meant
[1:55:19] we're we're not we're not sweeping up
the sawdust while somebody's still
[1:55:23] drilling off.
>> And that's totally fine. I just wanted
[1:55:25] to make sure that it was voiced. Yes.
>> Um and then the next one was damages to
[1:55:30] somebody's vehicle.
>> Um specifically just based off of the
[1:55:36] height of the the ladder truck that was
going on with one of the construction
[1:55:41] workers and the hole in their
windshield. Well, it seems pretty
[1:55:44] apparent that that's what the cause was.
They apparently tried to ask the
[1:55:50] contractor about it who then blew them
off and then they tried to ask the the
[1:55:55] GM about it who also blew them off.
>> So that is a concern that I have that
[1:56:00] you know I just want to make sure that
that's addressed for them.
[1:56:02] » Well, what what they need to do is come
to the city and file a complaint. And
[1:56:05] Lonnie, do you have the anything to
share on what process they would do if
[1:56:09] somebody wants to file a complaint with
the city?
[1:56:10] » If it was the contract, not the city, do
they need to file a complaint? they
[1:56:15] would file a complaint against the
contractor.
[1:56:17] » Well, they can let Mike be aware of it.
But the process is it's if it's if the
[1:56:23] contractor did the damage then
>> Yeah. And that contract though
[1:56:28] » and Well, no, but if they did it
insurance
[1:56:30] » Yeah. If they did it with their vehicle
>> Yeah.
[1:56:33] » and it was something on their vehicle,
that's an insurance claim against that
[1:56:37] vehicle.
>> And that was what I
[1:56:39] » It has nothing to do with the city.
That's someone
[1:56:41] » more. So, I was hoping that the city
would provide an avenue or some sort of
[1:56:46] enforcement measure of this is someone
that we hired. We want to hold them
[1:56:50] accountable.
>> What they need to do is they need to
[1:56:52] file a police report.
>> Okay. And they did.
[1:56:54] » Okay. Okay.
>> Then they should have the insurance
[1:56:56] information on that police report and
then they called that insurance company
[1:57:00] directly and filed.
>> Oh, the the people bailed. They did not
[1:57:03] get the insurance information for these
folks. Is it was the cop the
[1:57:08] construction that's going on currently?
>> So, is it KC or
[1:57:11] » Cop?
>> And I I guess I would also ask were they
[1:57:16] parked in a a construction area because
>> they were parked by their property which
[1:57:20] is near a construction area but not like
in the zone
[1:57:24] » because I'll tell you I do not park in
front of my house when those guys are in
[1:57:26] front of it.
>> Period. I'm just saying like if someone
[1:57:30] damages my car, no matter where I'm at,
I would like to make sure
[1:57:33] » what I heard is is that the
recommendation is they need to make sure
[1:57:36] they hire a fire report.
>> That has been done
[1:57:40] » and at that point what'll happen is
their insurance company will chase down
[1:57:44] » the the vendor. Okay. Because that's who
they have a complaint against.
[1:57:48] » Okay.
>> Did I gather all of that correctly?
[1:57:52] » Yeah. It just I think it'd be beneficial
that I think it's worth it to make sure
[1:57:56] that Mike knows about it. Yeah. But but
at the same time if it's Yeah. So so
[1:58:02] there's there's
>> the moral of the story is do not parking
[1:58:06] in front of your house if they have you
know
[1:58:08] » again
in front of the guy who's driving to and
[1:58:12] fro.
>> Okay.
[1:58:14] » And
>> that's different. Yeah.
[1:58:16] » Have you seen them back?
>> And and and to be fair if somebody wants
[1:58:20] to if somebody wants to file this
against the city they can. But it'll
[1:58:24] probably get dismissed because it's not
us. I'm just thinking that the city
[1:58:28] should because it is our contractors
potentially assist. That's all I'm
[1:58:32] saying. I'm not saying we should sue or
do any of that. I'm just saying like,
[1:58:36] hey, there was a bad move here. How can
we help make a resolution as a good
[1:58:41] loving city?
>> We probably resolution for you,
[1:58:44] » Chelsea. Chelsea, we we probably have a
certificate of insurance from them that
[1:58:49] lists their insurance company.
>> See, and that's what I'm just bringing
[1:58:52] it to people who might have a
certificate.
[1:58:54] » All right. Thank you.
>> All right. All right, I'm going to go
[1:58:56] ahead and uh bring it back to the table
here. Um I would like to open it up for
[1:59:01] public comment. This is just the last
chance for the public to address the
[1:59:06] council and be heard on anything within
council's curfew. Go ahead and open
[1:59:10] public comment. I'm looking to the room.
I'm looking to online for cameras,
[1:59:16] unmuted mics, raised hands. Public
comment going once. Public comment going
[1:59:22] twice.
public comment going three times. We'll
[1:59:26] go ahead and close the public comment.
With that, we have completed our uh
[1:59:30] agenda. Go ahead and
>> Sorry, I Sorry. was