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Our meeting of July 12th to order. Welcome, everyone. Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I'll ask, if you care to, follow along in the reading of our statement of intent. We gather

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today in this room as one people to discuss an intent in the matters of right wing. Together

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as a government body and as community members, we agree to treat everyone with courtesy,

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I have heard from Councilmember Beisie that he will not be able to make it this evening

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and Councilmember Brown just may be late.

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With that is their motion to excuse.

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Excuse me.

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I need any post any.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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First up on our agenda is the proclamations and recognitions and we have a very.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Dean.

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Skip one already.

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The approval of the agenda.

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I'll move to approve the agenda.

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All right motion to approve by Laurel, second by Annie to approve the agenda.

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All those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Now we are up to number six, proclamations and recognitions.

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So welcome, Jacob Flumkey.

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It was a very quick turnaround on this and we're excited to see and hear about your project

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with the cannon.

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It should work right there for you.

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I would be able to get Michelle's going to come up and help you out.

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Welcome.

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Greetings, my name is Jacob Flemke, so hello city council members, Mayor Mike Wilson and attendees.

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Thank you for having me this evening to present a follow-up to the PAC House or

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Canada Restoration at the Memorial Park Entrance.

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This is an Eagle Scout project.

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Here are a few four pictures of the canyon.

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Here are some of the key dates for this project and

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I began on January 13th. I will be presenting a few of these dates as we go along.

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So on the first

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work day of June 12 volunteers prepared the cannon for extraction by removing

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sad around the concrete platform and as well dirt around the cannon and they

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also picked up branches from the big storm the night before.

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So on the moving

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day public works employees loaded the cannon onto a trailer and brought it up

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to Elvers Auto Body for the restoration to be completed.

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On the second work day

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of June 19th. Volunteers remove concrete papers. They install a solar light, prepared

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the area for concrete to be poured for the park bench, and they spread it grassy

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around. There

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is a couple images of the solar light that was installed,

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as it

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installed at the entrance of Memorial Park. Veteran Darwin-Christophe Sindoinated

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a park bench in memory of his lights on. Here follows the inscription that will be

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on the plaque.

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Here's some more images of the park bench and the beautiful flowers

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that I was sitting there.

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And then for the cannon restoration, it elures out a body.

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Here, a few pictures of when it was sandblasted. And then, this is some blue painter's table

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over the axle coverings that are brass. And then, this is taking the tires off. So, this

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is the red oxide primer that went on.

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So, we've put that on there. And then,

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so, this is

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after it was painted. This is an Al-Wasterless olive jar. It's restored to, as if it was,

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came off the manufacturing line.

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So, for the restoration labor, I would like to think Elvers Autobody and Industrial

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Linings for part in this restoration,

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for a few more after-pitchers of the cannon.

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And that's a sits currently in Memorial Park.

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And then this is the cannon installation by Public Orcs employees that did a very nice job

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on installing and anchoring it.

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So here's some pictures from this.

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There are a couple more pictures.

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This is a nameplate by the manufacturer, J.G.

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real company. It was manufactured in 1941.

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The platform that they can currently sit

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on was also washed. And this is a little inscription to honor memorialize the

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veterans of the First World War.

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So the total cost of the project was $3,000, $7.10.

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The donations totaled out to $3,700 with a difference of $692.90.

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sense. Let's left before funds I would like to purchase an American flag for the park entrance

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and potentially a flag talking about the history of the cannon.

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A little overview of the

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projects and the big things solar light, the cannon of course, and then the park.

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I would like to

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thank the business organizations and individuals that help support this project.

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All the things that

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so years they are.

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Alright, first summary, the packouts are Cana Trans 80 this year.

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Here's to another chapter in this Cana's lengthy history into the next 80 years.

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This project is dedicated to all veterans past and present.

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Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

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And I'd like to thank everyone who can further time and support on this project.

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And a couple more things. So I'd like to thank Patrick Ramiaker for all the health that he's support on this project.

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He did a lot with this and he originally introduced his project to me.

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So I'm thankful for that.

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Another thing is, I would like to thank the Red Room Community

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for the help and support on this project.

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I'm going to done it without them.

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And then, when I first started out as a co-scaler,

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I remembered I had Melissa Hill, her sheet.

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She was my first leader.

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And now we have Ian Sheer.

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So I just like to thank all the leaders for what

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they've done over the course of me being scouting.

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And so I really, really thankful for that.

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I'd also like to thank my mom and my dad here so that'll be it. I don't think you guys for your time and support on this project

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I like to thank you for trusting me and fighting to do this. Thank you very much everyone.

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Thank you for sharing that that with us and and for thanking everybody. It looks to give a good group of support there and and thanks for your

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for your scout troop so thank you.

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With that we are on to public comment and presentations and we'll start with the first

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presentation. We're going to hear about the presentation on the 2020 comprehensive annual

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financial report. Do

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you want to lead us up, Marshall? All right, Marshall. Yeah, I would

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first I'd like to let you know that Lee is going to have our time competing with that last presentation.

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With us are Lane. He's Link Ockerman from Abdoink and Myers. He's here to present on the 2020

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the comprehensive annual financial report slash audit.

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And I think as usual, just if you have questions,

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as Lane's going through the presentation,

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please don't hesitate to stop him and ask.

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And we can give you a response.

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Sue is also here in the back.

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If we get into real technical trouble,

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Lane and I have Sue here.

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So thank you.

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With that, Lane.

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Thanks, Marshall.

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I would appreciate the heads up.

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I'd follow that, but that's all right.

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We'll go through the audit and try

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to make it as entertaining as possible.

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So, like Marshall said, my name's Lane.

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I'm with Abdoike and Myers.

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I've been working on the city audits since I've started

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for about the past 10 years now.

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I also have Abby with me who in charge of the audit

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this year, as well as she also works with us.

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So, we'll respect your time.

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We'll try to get out of here as quick as we can.

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We'll keep it as a high-level overview.

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So, for our introduction, we'll go through our opinion

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and what our responsibility is.

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Autos are versus what your responsibility is.

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The City Council is.

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We'll look at the general fund, we'll look at some of your other governmental operating funds, the enterprise funds,

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and then also some ratios of the city has.

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So like Marshall said, if there's any questions along the way, feel free to interrupt.

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Marshall, if you have anything to add, feel free to chime in as needed.

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So first, we'll start with the auditor's responsibility.

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So I see a few new names and faces, so just to clarify on what our responsibilities auditors are,

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which is to provide an opinion on the financial statements that they are free for material misstatement.

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So a financial statement audit really is coming in and looking at the numbers to make sure that everything is on the right spot

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So we provide reasonable assurance that they are free from any significant errors

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We can't look at every single transaction that the city enters into during the year

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So we do a lot of sampling we use a lot of our judgment to look through things

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So again, we do provide that reasonable assurance that they are free from those statements

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Ultimately the financial statements themselves fall back on the city council through acceptance of the audit report

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In 2020, you also had a single audit, which means you expended more than $750,000 in federal

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expenditures during the year.

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The CARES dollars is what the triggered that single audit program this year, so you

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did do some additional auditing related to that, and we do not have any findings to report

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related to the single audit.

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The Office of the State Auditor and Minnesota also report a puts out about half a dozen

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different areas that were required to look through for compliance issues on the statewide

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level as well and we don't have any compliance findings report on that level either.

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We do have one material audit adjustment finding this year that relates to some of the capital

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projects and really it was just looking through some of the items with Sue and going through

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them is really just looking at the dates that the capital assets were put in place for our

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review that we saw some projects that were entered into completion in years past what we did

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is just add some accumulated depreciation with that and just restate the financial statements

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to catch up some of those depreciation amounts. So it is kind of a one-time thing, one-off

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entry for 2020. It's very common in a lot of cities throughout the state to have material

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out of adjustment finding. So there was just the one financial statement finding for 2020.

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Any questions on that? Otherwise, we'll keep going. And first, look at the general fund.

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And the good measure of liquidity and looking at the general fund is to look at where you're

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unassigned fund balances so that's all the dollars that are available in the

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general fund to spend and compare it to the budgeted expenditures. So the red

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line is the general fund expenditures that are budgeted over the past five

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years. So in 2017 you're about 26 and a half million dollars that's slowly been

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decreasing to about 22.2 million in 2021. The city's fund balance policy calls

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for 60% of expenditures to be in reserves. You can see what the impact has been on

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on the growth of the fund balance in the blue line

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over the past five years.

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General fund balances have grown from about 66%,

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which again is above the fund balance policy

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and has grown over 207% in the general fund.

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So there's been healthy growth in general fund reserves,

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even as general fund expenditures,

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budget expenditures have decreased.

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So it has been trending upwards year over year.

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2020 specifically, if we look at the general fund budget

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just to actual results.

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The left-hand column is what the city's final budget anticipated. So actually that net change in fund balance line is the third to last line. That is what you would consider to be a balanced budget. The city did originally have a balanced budget, but with the amendments with the changes that happened during 2020 related to COVID and some other things, the city did anticipate about $2.1 million decreased in the general fund balance. Actual fund balances ended up increasing about $711,000 during the year.

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So first off, if we look at the revenue side of things anticipated 21.4 and actually collected

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22.58, so there was $1.1 million positive variance in your revenues. A lot of that is related

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to the CARES funding that you receive from the federal government. That ended up being

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about $1.24 million that did get captured in that revenue in the general fund.

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There's also about $107,000 in FEMA dollars that were collected, so a lot of that budget

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variance is due to the intergovernmental expenditures, and then there are some of those revenues.

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And then the offset of some of those revenues was for charges of services in the pool.

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So the city did budget about $134,000 in pool collections, but

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obviously with that closed during 2020, you didn't collect any dollars related to the pool operations.

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And looking at that on the offset of the expenditures, anticipated 19.7 and

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expenditures, actual expenditures were 18.6.

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We had about $1.1 million positive variants

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on your expenditures as well.

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Again, related to the pool, operating that

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at the city of about $366,000, just in cost related

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to parks and rec, and some of the maintenance costs

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related to there.

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Public works also kept a lot of dollars in house

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rather than contracting that.

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So it's public work expenditures actually end up

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being pulled by about 400,000, and then also some player

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and public safety supplies ended up meeting up about $345,000.

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Just do some specific COVID response expenditures.

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Also, there's about $1.1 million in capital outlay expenditures.

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A lot of that is due to the timing of some of the projects.

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And when they were anticipated, again, directly impacted by COVID.

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So factoring in all of that, the general fund balances did increase from 27.4 million up to 28.1 million.

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and which again is in excess of the $22 million

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that the General Fund does have anticipated in 2021

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expenditure.

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Questions on that?

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Marshall, do you have anything to add?

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Nope, not yet, thanks for asking.

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For example, General Fund revenues by type

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will also look at expenditures.

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I'm not going to spend a whole lot here

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other than just pointing out that the majority

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of your General Fund revenue is going to be

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from your tax lobby.

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So you have a very low impact of LGA or LGA

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only collectible 3.5% of your general fund revenues, so to offset that, the taxes do account for about 80% of the general fund revenues.

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And then if we look at the expenditure side of things, overall costs from 18, 19 to 20 have been pretty steady.

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Through the majority of the departments, you can see there was a little bit of a jump in public safety from year over year.

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Again, a lot of that is due to specific COVID response and some costs related to that.

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And then the other main driver, as we kind of talked about earlier, as you can see, that

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capital outlay has been decreasing from 18, 19 to 20, again due to the timing of some

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of those projects that saved the general fund some dollars in 2020.

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Next we'll quickly look at the special revenue funds, so there's what it does in special

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revenue funds available.

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And these are dollars that are really set aside for a specific purpose, it really is outside

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the general fund so these are mostly restricted for these operations or for some of these different

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ventures that the city has. The majority of these dollars are going to be in the pair of

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perpetual fund. Basically what happens is that does collect interest on the dollars in there and

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then transfers dollars out so it's about 9.2 million dollars in the pair of perpetual funds.

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And then the other main fund that has dollars is the library which has about 1.1 million.

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So, there were costs in the library ended up being under by both $57,000 during the year,

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so that contributed to a little bit of the $95,000 increase in fund balance in the library

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fund.

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And then also TIFF 7.1 was desertified during the year and that was closed.

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Those are the main kind of changes in the special revenue funds in 2020.

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Overall, in 2019, you had about $10,000,000 in fund balance that did increase about $100,000

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to $10,8 million in 2020.

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And then just looking at that graphically, again, majority of these dollars

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are restricted for those specific purposes.

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They're not really available at the council's discretion

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for anything outside of what they're restricted for.

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Okay.

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The capital project funds operate pretty similarly

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to the special revenue funds.

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These are really again dollars that are set aside

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for a specific purpose or a specific capital project.

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About half of the dollars are in the capital improvement

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assessment fund and the fund balance

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which houses the special assessment collections

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for the city that ends up being about $4 million.

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I'm not going to go through every one of these.

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One thing to point out is that the Capital Reserve Fund is new during 2020,

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so that does have $500,000 set aside for any contingent capital purchases.

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And then there's other significant street projects, building projects and

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that sort of thing that are ongoing that will be funded by either bond proceeds,

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transfers, grant dollars, a wide variety of different funding mechanisms.

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So at the end of the year, there's about 9.4 million dollars in capital projects fund balances available compared to 10.4 in the year prior

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A lot of that is just through the spend down of a lot of the dollars again through the time you some of the capital projects and when the dollars come in versus when they get

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Remitted to contractors and

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again from a graphical standpoint. There's really no dollars that are unassigned

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Outside of some deficits in the time you know some of the project costs, but they're either internally restricted or internally committed for these specific purposes of

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funding capital.

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And then your other governmental funds are your debt service funds. You have

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healthy reserves, about $6 million in cash, to pay off your annual debt service payments.

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So your annual obligations are a little over $5 million a year. You do have some debt dropping

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off in 2022, and it is layered pretty steadily over some of the maturity dates, as you can see

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in that right hand column, debt dropping off in 2022, and so forth. So as the city takes on new

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projects is debt-dropping up that does help keep the levy flapped and making those bond payments.

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Questions on any of those.

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If not, we'll look at the enterprise funds. So these operate

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a little bit differently because the charges for services are really funding these operations

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and capital rather than tax levy or intergovernmental funding. So the first enterprise fund we'll

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look at is the refuse fund. And we're really going to focus on cash flows. So the top graph

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is operating receipts which is the dark blue bar and we can pair that to gray the operating

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disbursements and then also any debt payments at the same a half. So really what you want

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to see is the left bar exceed the right gray in the green from a cash flow operating standpoint.

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So the refuse fund has been generating positive cash flows from 17, 18, 19. There was a little

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bit of an increase in cost in 2020 in the refuse fund and you can see what the impact is

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on that bottom graph on the actual cash balances.

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So the dark blue graph is your actual cash

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that this fund has, and we're going to compare that

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to the green, which is what we would recommend as auditors.

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So we would recommend typically about six months worth

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of operating costs in these funding cash, just to have ample reserves

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in place to pay for any repairs and maintenance,

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to pay employees, that sort of thing.

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So that has been increasing as your disbursements,

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that gray bar on the top has been increasing,

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and you can see that there was a little bit of a drop down

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and cash in 2020 from 1.3 to 1.2 in 2020.

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Again, do that slight operating loss during the year.

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So overall, based on our professional recommendation

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as auditors, the cash is a little bit under what we would

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recommend, but there is still $1.2 million in cash available.

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The next enterprise fund is the water fund.

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And you can see that the water fund does have

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$1 million in annual debt service payments that it is making.

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So it is operating at a positive cash flow

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from an operations standpoint. There's also some significant capital purchases that has

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drawn down the cash in 19 and 20. So in 2018 there was about 2.7 million dollars in

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cash available. In 2020 there's about 1.2 compared to our 2.2 million dollar recommendation

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so it does fall a little bit short of that by that million dollar gap. In 2020 I know there

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were some well repairs and replacements that really was kind of the main capital items

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that drew down some of the cash balances. So one way to think about it on the bottom graph

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as well, any dollars that are available under that green line can be set aside for operations,

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any dollars above that would be available for future capital or future kind of one-time

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major purchases that you wouldn't necessarily have to bond for.

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Next fund is the sewer fund.

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So this again is operating at a positive cash flow.

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It has been consistent from cash receipts and there's a little bit less capital intensive

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in the sewer fund over the past few years so you can see what the impact has been on that

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that bottom graph and the increase in the cash balances from $614,000 up to $1.7 million

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in 2019. In 2020, again, there was a little bit of a drop by about $75,000 in some of

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those capital purchases. There were some lift station costs that were available. There

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were some sewer construction on Levy Road. That was about $3,000,000 in between those two

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projects. So, with all those, you would be pretty much right in line with where that recommended

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to cash balance would be, but do those capital expenditures that the cash did just a little

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bit from 19 to 20.

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And the solid waste campus, this is going to be a little bit skewed just because of just

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some of the impacts of the insurance proceeds that have come into this fund and when the

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cost associated with it came in.

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So in 2019, that's when a lot of those insurance dollars did come in.

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There's about $2.7 million available that did drop down in 2020.

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to about $900,000 compared to where our recommendation would be at with that $2.56.

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So that really is just based off of the increase in the cost from $17,18,19 to $20.

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And then again, with the cost related to those insurance proceeds, really to draw those

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cash balances down from $19,000 to $20,000.

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Next fund is the Marina Fund, which typically has broke even, are pretty close to breaking

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even $17,18 and $19.

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There was a nice increase in 2020, a lot of it again due to COVID, so additional activity

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of the Marina, so that generated a nice positive cash flow.

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So typically the Marine Fund has had a cash deficit right around that 250 to 300,000 that

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did get cut in about half from 19 to 2020 due to the cash collections from the additional

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activity out there during the year.

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And then the, there's two more, ambulance.

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This is mainly just operational, it really is driven based off the demand on where some of the receipts can be out.

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So there was actually a drop in receipts during 2020 and an increase in costs in 2020.

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So you can see what the impact has been on that and the ambulance fund.

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So there is about a $1.2 million deficit in the ambulance fund from an operational standpoint.

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point. Again, that is just dependent on the demand and with the COVID impact in 2020

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else, we'll backrate into that.

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And then, last is the storm water fund. This fund

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does have healthy cash balances all around. You can see cash receipts have been steady

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right around that 1.3 million in cost have gone up a little bit, but there still is an excess

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amount of cash in the storm water fund and is cashfully quite well to the tune of about

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about $750,000 a year.

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So again, you can see what that impact is

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on the cash balances in that bottom graph.

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There's about $2 million in cash available.

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So if we combine all of that,

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and we look at the cash investments

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by type over the past three years, in 2018,

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there's about $72.6 million in cash available,

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about $70 million in 2019,

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and then about $68 and a half million in 2020.

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So again, a lot of that is do the spend on some bond proceeds,

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it's some of those insurance dollars in the in the in the

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Senator fund, but overall just under $69 million in cash

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investments. The city has on hand at your end 2020.

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Questions on that.

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The last thing we'll look at here is just

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a couple of key slides and we're going to compare the city of

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Redwing to some of their peers. So the first one is the tax

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rate. Any of these dark blue lines is going to be the city of

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Redwing and we're going to compare it one to class three cities

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throughout the state of Minnesota. So that's going to be all

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cities from 10,000 to 25,000 in population. That's going to be the green bar. We're also going to

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compare the cities in Goodview County, which is the gray bar, then also some of the larger regional

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centers throughout the state, which is going to be the tan bar there. So the city of Redwing's

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tax rate over the past four years has been pretty flat, right around that 71%. It did drop a little bit

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in 2019 and come back up. I think that really is just due to some assessor and market value adjustments

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related to that. But overall, you're right in line with the majority of your peers in your area.

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a little bit higher than Class 3 cities, but again, that's really due to the lack of LGA and making that up to the tax levies not having that LGA funding.

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So really the tax rate is kind of the key indicator on what an overall impact is to the taxpayer and it has really been steady right around that 69% to 71% over the last four years.

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And can I jump in here to add onto this?

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We talk a lot about this when the audit's going on and the council and I have talked a lot about this over the years, too.

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It's important to understand that Redwing has what I'd call a fairly pure revenue system.

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As Lane has showed us earlier, the vast majority of our revenues come, for the general

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fund, come from property taxes and jewelry. We are, if you've looked at the latest tax

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bill that got passed, 21 additional cities are receiving local options, sales taxes.

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So where other communities, like class three cities are using local options, sales taxes,

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this franchise fees, the list goes on and on, that isn't incorporated in this measure,

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because this is only measuring property tax revenue.

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So there are other ways of generating revenues, general purpose revenues that don't involve

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a property tax levy.

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The council, over the years, has declined to pursue adding Annie for a lot of really good

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reasons, frankly. But that is something that I do want to point out here because it has a major

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bearing on how we compare it to other class three cities. We are now as regional center,

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class three city, whatever you want to call us. Probably in the minority as far as having some

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of these local options sales tax as franchise fees and you know the whole laundry list I've given

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you before, but I do want to point that out. And thanks for giving me the opportunity.

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Absolutely.

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Any questions on that?

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No, Martial Parking was one of them that we talked about.

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That's another way to generate revenue against some of these other communities might be

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doing that.

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We're not doing that.

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Yeah, I mean, anybody who goes to Minneapolis, St. Paul knows how painful that can be, right?

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So those are just other examples, exactly.

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Thank you.

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Anybody else?

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Long-term debt per capita, again, nothing alarming here.

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Your debt did drop a little bit from 19 to 2020.

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We did kind of touch on the different funding mechanisms on that earlier so I can spend a whole lot of time on that

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We also pointed out your current expenditures how they've been trending upwards a little bit and also the drop in the capital

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So again, nothing alarming here. You know the city of Redwing does

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Provide a little bit more dollars towards the capital side

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That's on a case-by-case basis from what the city's capital needs are whether it's streets

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I know you guys invest a lot down by the river so that factors into it too

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So just a couple of things to think about here is you look at how you compare it with some of your peers

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From the per capita revenues fight type again. We've already we touched on a lot of these nothing

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Overly alarming there, and then we also pointed out earlier just on the expenditures per capita

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Again, you dedicate a few more dollars towards your public safety side

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And then you also a little bit higher on the culture and wreck operating the pool obviously is going to have an impact on that

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And again, a lot of the other different parks

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and other culture and recrelations the city offers.

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So one thing I do like to display

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is that this really doesn't indicate anything

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that's good or bad.

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It really is just a measure of how you compare

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with some of your peers.

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Every city operates differently

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on how they want to dedicate their resources.

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So this really is just kind of a,

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where you, if I could, I would say, absolutely.

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Yeah, the other thing I wanted to mention too

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is when we look at capital, for example,

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you're measuring this always on a per capita basis.

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This is what it doesn't tell you is what the revenue source is from.

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That's funding those.

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A capital project started as it goes as well where we secured.

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Oh, it's got to be over $30 million in the last five or six years in just state funding.

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So next year, for example, with the start of the surgeon lake road rail grade separation project.

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Overpass, if you will, rail overpass.

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That's about a $25 to $30 million project in total.

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So imagine what that per capita numbers are going to look like when we get into that project.

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But again, just these little caveats are important to understand.

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Just to add to that, I mean, one of the things that I feel like you and Ron have been speaking towards on this slide is

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leveraging, you always talked about leveraging Excel's improvements, right?

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And so using those as opportunities to do some of the projects that perhaps some of the other communities,

455
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especially coming out of the recession weren't able to do, they maybe had to delay some of those projects earlier,

456
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but we were able to sort of utilize that opportunity and do something.

457
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So they're not as stacked up and as delayed, is that a good assessment of some of this impact as well, Marshall?

458
00:34:33,390 --> 00:34:34,130
Yeah, that's excellent.

459
00:34:34,370 --> 00:34:39,150
And I mean, the other thing I point out too is kind of what you're driving at is this is all been

460
00:34:39,650 --> 00:34:43,630
nothing in this report should surprise anybody because this has been planned.

461
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This has been planned for the last 10, 15 years and it's natural to see the progression

462
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:52,790
of the debt moving down, the capital fall when it moving down.

463
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:58,050
All that has been planned, so the council's used, you know, that planning horizon very

464
00:34:58,050 --> 00:35:02,870
well into the, to the, to the betterment of all the citizens who would otherwise have to

465
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:09,130
pay for these capital projects if it weren't for, you know, Excel having, you know, tremendous

466
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:13,190
because it backed on our tax base over 50% of our tax base.

467
00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:17,590
In that tax base, that means that we don't get the LGA because of that.

468
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:20,950
It's sort of three sort of trying those that are all playing into this picture.

469
00:35:22,610 --> 00:35:23,050
Thanks, Michelle.

470
00:35:23,850 --> 00:35:24,010
Thank you.

471
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:27,150
That is all I have.

472
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So does anybody else have any questions for either Marshall or myself?

473
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And

474
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if not, I want to say thanks to Lane and Abby for driving all the way from Mancay at a first of all in such a wonderful afternoon.

475
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And they are support and they're constantly keeping us up the day with the latest, greatest.

476
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:01,100
The pronouncements are really important to our ability to get these kind of reports done, so we sincerely appreciate their effort.

477
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:20,560
I always have to thank Sue, I have to thank Keith Lichten to put in, I can't even tell you how many hours I'm going to report to this nature, but their professionalism and dedication in your, this council's commitment to this city's physical standing is probably more important than anything else and we really appreciate that too.

478
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:27,600
And thanks for the opportunity. I know moving on, we're giving, it's a huge report, significant size report.

479
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work, and we'll bring it back for the council to hopefully ratify at the next council meeting.

480
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,200
If you have any other questions, please in the meantime feel free to contact Sue or

481
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:47,940
I, so we can work through any questions, concerns, whatever you may have, but with that again,

482
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:48,560
thank you too.

483
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,260
Yeah, thanks, Marshall.

484
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:54,660
It is, you have received the Conference of Annual Financial Certificate since 2008, I believe

485
00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:54,880
now.

486
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And there's usually pretty few comments.

487
00:36:57,260 --> 00:37:02,940
So just a testament to everybody who goes through it, looks through it because it is a 275 page audit report

488
00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:05,780
Now I think we're up to somewhere in there. So there's a lot to go through.

489
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,140
So yes, thanks to Marshall and Sue. They do a great job and are very responsive. Getting us things

490
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:13,320
We appreciate the working relationship

491
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:15,500
Thank you, Lane. Thank you, Evie

492
00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:21,910
Thanks everyone. Thank you. My contact information is there if anybody has any questions. I'd be happy to ask is it come up?

493
00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:23,620
Thank you

494
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:23,620
All

495
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:32,020
right, we are now at the public comment segment where members of the public can speak on topics that are not on the agenda.

496
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Anyone who cannot attend the meeting but would like to have their comments entered into the public record can submit an email before 3pm.

497
00:37:38,860 --> 00:37:48,480
The day of the meeting, to the email address or a phone number that's provided, any emails received will not be read aloud but will be entered into the record for this meeting and shared with elected leaders.

498
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:53,900
Next, I will ask those in attendance who wish to share public comment to address the council.

499
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,940
We appreciate you stating your name, what city you live in, and if you live in Redwynne,

500
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,800
please provide either your ward number, your street name, or your neighborhood area.

501
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:05,740
You'll have up to three minutes to share your thoughts, and please remember that personal

502
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:09,940
tax may be ruled out of order, and we appreciate your time in attending tonight.

503
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,920
And so I'll start with the list that I have of those who signed up earlier.

504
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,160
So, Mike Montgomery, you are first on the list here?

505
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:20,120
Welcome.

506
00:38:22,180 --> 00:38:24,220
Before I start, just a procedural question.

507
00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:28,700
If someone didn't sign up, do they still have an opportunity at the end to-

508
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:34,640
Yep, so I usually, after I go through the list, then I ask if there's anybody else who wishes to speak on an item not on the agenda.

509
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:35,420
Okay, perfect.

510
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:36,360
Thank you.

511
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,680
Well, thank you for the opportunity to speak to me.

512
00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:39,760
My name is Mike Montgomery.

513
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,940
I'm a citizen of Red Wing, living in Ward 2.

514
00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:46,000
I was here two weeks ago and I spoke to you about the dangerous direction that I think

515
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:52,480
this eye and others think the City Council is going. I stood before you last summer and

516
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,680
I basically said you guys are not listening to people. You let people speak but you're

517
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:02,060
not hearing what they say. Two weeks ago and I was here in reference to the joint City

518
00:39:02,060 --> 00:39:06,840
Council HRC meeting, I stated, man, it seems like you're not even wanting to allow people

519
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,160
to speak, and that's dangerous. I told you guys that. Now, in the statement that Becky

520
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:18,740
Red, Councilwoman, excuse me, sorry, Martin, you open and said, we agree to treat everyone

521
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:22,400
with courtesy, dignity and respect. We will listen to all sides of an issue and encourage

522
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,640
participation, support each other, act with honor and accountability, and inspire pride in

523
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,780
our community. This week commit as we open this meeting. I'm just going to say this seems

524
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to be further, couldn't be further from the truth. I talked last meeting about the

525
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:40,300
and the disrespectful attitudes that I and others have observed from some of you lately.

526
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:43,540
You don't seem to be willing to listen to all sides of an issue.

527
00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:45,820
You have no interest in supporting each other.

528
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:49,920
There's one of your own council member, by C, was removed from his position on boards and

529
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,520
commissions because he saw things differently than some of you.

530
00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:57,380
By your actions, you don't seem to be acting with honor and accountability and transparency.

531
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,820
And honestly, I don't think you're inspiring much pride in our community.

532
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,980
Lastly, and this is what I want to talk about, you don't seem to want to encourage

533
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:10,460
participation. In the agenda it says this meeting will be in the City Hall Council chambers

534
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:15,220
and held virtually via WebEx at the same time. Members of the public can join this meeting

535
00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:21,300
either in person or at City Hall or virtually. That's quite interesting because I'm looking

536
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:26,580
at an empty chair there and Councilmember Bicey is not in attendance. Now we have the capability

537
00:40:26,580 --> 00:40:32,840
for people to participate virtually, is that correct? Yes, okay. You guys actually relied

538
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:40,180
on that for 10 to 11 months, right? I have good information, good information, okay?

539
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:47,280
That council member Bicy is not being allowed to attend this meeting virtually, not being

540
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:53,060
allowed by you guys, okay? That's insane. He's a member of this council. He's an elected

541
00:40:53,060 --> 00:40:58,800
official, called to speak about items on this agenda. And if any of you were not allowed,

542
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,060
I'm not able to be at this meeting, I would want and I would advocate for you to be able to participate.

543
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,040
Virtually we have the capability, but you're not allowing you to be part of this meeting.

544
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,480
That's insane. Who do you guys think you are?

545
00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:19,600
He's every bit a part of this council, but he happens to have differing opinions than many of you and you guys can't stand it.

546
00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:25,600
Shame on you. Shame on you. This nonsense has to stop. Thank you.

547
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,040
I'm going to address

548
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the last item that you brought forward.

549
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:48,070
First of all, I'm not aware of anything, but there is a state statute that restricts members' participation in not in this body.

550
00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:50,230
Amy, do you want to talk about that particular statute?

551
00:41:51,010 --> 00:42:02,350
Certainly. So the council for during the pandemic was operating under 13D-021, which allows in the case of an emergency for meetings to be held by telephone.

552
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and most bodies did not hold meetings by telephone, but rather held them virtually.

553
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However, once the emergency is over, 13-do-2 is not an option.

554
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:19,010
And so then you are under 13-do-1 is not an option.

555
00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:24,970
Then you need to operate under 13-do-2, which also does allow meetings to be held virtually,

556
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:28,050
but there is a whole host of requirements that apply.

557
00:42:28,050 --> 00:42:34,290
One of which is that you need to post consistent with the open meeting law that the location

558
00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:39,510
at which the member who is absent will be participating remotely, and that member must

559
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:43,850
make the location at which they are participating open to the public.

560
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:58,030
So many times elected officials choose to miss a meeting here or there, it doesn't happen

561
00:42:58,030 --> 00:43:02,010
place wherever they are, perhaps, and I don't know where a council member buys

562
00:43:02,010 --> 00:43:06,570
he is, but a conference room, a hotel, conference room, or a coffee shop, or

563
00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:10,570
somewhere where they would still have enough privacy to be participating in the

564
00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:15,650
meeting, but also would welcome a member of the public to that coffee shop if they

565
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:19,390
were happened to be in Florida and wanted to attend. So there's a number of

566
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requirements that you have to follow if you are going to hold a meeting and allow

567
00:43:24,110 --> 00:43:31,630
a council person to participate virtually, that participation by virtual, those requirements

568
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:33,670
only apply to council members.

569
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:41,150
Some members of the public can comment virtually or listen in virtually, but the statute governs

570
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:42,470
members of the body.

571
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:48,430
This council body is not preventing any council member from participating at that meeting.

572
00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:53,070
They follow the state statute and I would also say that any member of this body who chooses

573
00:43:53,070 --> 00:43:57,310
is to be absent from a meeting for whatever that reason, if they would like to take a vacation

574
00:43:57,310 --> 00:44:02,950
and it falls on a council meeting, I think this body would support that absence, and

575
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:07,090
we don't often ask what they're, what would take them away from that.

576
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:13,170
I mean, this is sometimes a much more than a full-time job to be up here, and so if a council

577
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:20,410
member chooses to not be here, we support that as we did this evening with excusing that

578
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:20,730
absence.

579
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So in no way, shape or form has this body prevented a council member from participating

580
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:29,910
in this meeting that council member would have followed the state's statutes.

581
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With that, and we'll call the next person who has signed up for public comment, Patricia

582
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I'll end the jump, welcome.

583
00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:35,550
Hello. Welcome. What I have seen from the city council in the last several months, especially, is all about control and exerting your power exclusively. I look around in the same small group of people have their fingers in every pride, and this skewers every outcome and decision made in city hall, especially since this same group has actively introduced partisan politics in the city government. Many of the same people said on multiple

584
00:45:35,550 --> 00:45:40,050
boards and commissions have the authority to select other members and make appointments

585
00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:44,170
and are directly involved in all the decisions being made in City Hall.

586
00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:47,990
This has become power in the hands of a very few.

587
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:54,210
Making matters worse is that this power has more and more frequently than used as retaliation

588
00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:56,290
motivated by personal spite.

589
00:45:57,150 --> 00:46:01,910
We have seen good people remove from committees because the council member holds a personal

590
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:07,890
leave because the council member holds a personal beef with you. We have seen

591
00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:11,390
person complaints lodged against the chief of police because the chief

592
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:15,650
followed the law and did not and did his duty rather than yield to the

593
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:20,610
unreasonable and unlawful demands of that same sitting council member. Finally we

594
00:46:20,610 --> 00:46:25,270
saw the sudden unexplained removal of our chief of police with no public input or

595
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:29,950
discussion or without substantive reason ever provided by the city council.

596
00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:37,270
Anyone or one group who can fire a person without cause needs to be held through the strictest

597
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:38,490
professional standards.

598
00:46:39,210 --> 00:46:43,590
We can't have city council members voting to purge city government of good employees

599
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,050
just because they can or worst yet for strictly personal reasons.

600
00:46:49,050 --> 00:46:52,690
These are the sorts of bad acts that destroy the public trust.

601
00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:59,010
Good local government requires the full support and participation of the general public and

602
00:46:59,010 --> 00:47:05,270
not just one political part of it, diverse ideas and opinions and solutions from all sides

603
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:11,410
of the political spectrum give us a broader foundation and more to work with. We all benefit

604
00:47:11,410 --> 00:47:17,770
when we work together rather than line up on one side of the room or the line or the other.

605
00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:24,410
There to be honesty and transparency in city government, open meeting laws must be respected.

606
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:38,490
All our city meetings should be open to the public with input and feedback encouraged and welcomed, and all resource materials, work product and documents opened and made available to the public.

607
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:48,450
These are things I would hope to see happen that have not happened and which has caused people to line up and want to recall this city council.

608
00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:49,830
Thank you.

609
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,900
I could I just have your return to the podium and I'm not sure if I did this to we just

610
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:04,060
think your name at the podium and if your resident.

611
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:08,560
So it's crucial to you I'm in ward two red.

612
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Thank you.

613
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,140
Your welcome.

614
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:16,820
And the next person I have signed up for public comment is Chaz Neal.

615
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:31,960
Welcome Chaz.

616
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Good evening.

617
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:34,960
Good evening.

618
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:35,900
My name is Chaz Neal.

619
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:36,880
I'm a resident of Redwood.

620
00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:39,480
If you want to remove your mask while you're speaking you're welcome to.

621
00:48:41,420 --> 00:48:44,240
Good evening, my name is Chaz Neor resident of Redwing.

622
00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:46,320
Thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight.

623
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,080
I'm going to tell a story of white privilege in Redwing.

624
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:58,000
On December 5, 2019, the Redwing Police Department held a public forum that night.

625
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,640
There was an altercation between an elected official and a resident of the community.

626
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:09,420
this altercation would have a ripple effect that on July 12th today we still

627
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:14,020
deal with the unknown outcome of a third-party investigation into a city

628
00:49:14,020 --> 00:49:19,860
employee and his wife that will result in the city hiring Pamela Vander Will

629
00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:26,220
who is a third-party investigator that specializes in investigations in public

630
00:49:26,220 --> 00:49:35,840
employees, employers across the state of Minnesota, where the City of Redwing paid $7,487.9 on March

631
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:44,780
18, 2020. Now on June, 2020 of this year, a comment in a private Facebook group called the Redwing

632
00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:51,060
State of mind, which some council members participate in, and out of the public eye, but sit on committees

633
00:49:51,060 --> 00:49:55,480
where it's okay to be able to get your true feelings out and not have to suffer any

634
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:01,560
judgment. Now, in the first story, the allegations were a farce of an investigation to prove that

635
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:07,400
a city employee was telling confidential information, wherein the second, which is actual factual,

636
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:13,440
and a free investigation, the city would rather sweep discrimination and hate under the rug and

637
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:19,060
have a resident work on human right issues and a resolution for claiming racism of public health

638
00:50:19,060 --> 00:50:25,260
emergency. So much is done is done in private what's wrong with transparency and honesty

639
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:29,820
and if it makes us look bad at least we can correct the wrong instead of just moving on

640
00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:35,360
like nothing happened because pain and trauma is a real issue and we can see with the overdose

641
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,240
pandemic we are facing here in Redwood. Thank you very much.

642
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:47,210
Thank you, Chaz. Ruth Hutchinson,

643
00:50:47,530 --> 00:50:51,410
are you public comment or are you on another item? Welcome.

644
00:50:58,230 --> 00:51:00,090
Ruth Hutchinson 2488,

645
00:51:00,090 --> 00:51:09,710
mom-quist Avenue. I want to echo some of the things, is this on? Yep, and you want to echo some of

646
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:17,490
the things that Chaz spoke about. First off, I have emailed all of you and you know how I feel

647
00:51:17,490 --> 00:51:27,450
about the HRC person that called Chaz Vile, not a bunch of cells, not even worth calling a human.

648
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:36,850
and that to me is not what I would call human rights and Austin Minnesota just

649
00:51:36,850 --> 00:51:41,770
removes someone from their human rights commission. So don't tell me that you

650
00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:51,510
can't do it. Don't tell me that. And I look out here, okay? I look out here and I see

651
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:57,270
people who said they were allies. So they were willing to fight alongside of us

652
00:51:57,270 --> 00:52:03,550
for human rights. I see it everywhere. Okay, where have you been? Where have you been?

653
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:10,250
Because I haven't seen anybody stand up and push for this resolution. Because I would like to see

654
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:14,770
someone in K. Coleman's spot that looks like me. Oh, sorry.

655
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,620
Or someone black like my daughter. Okay,

656
00:52:21,820 --> 00:52:27,920
I would like to see someone mentor a person of color to take over on the seats of the City Council.

657
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,620
And when I look at the boards and commissions, that's all I see is white.

658
00:52:32,980 --> 00:52:34,820
And when you walk out here, white.

659
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,980
When you look all over the city, it's white, white, white.

660
00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:47,840
No one has ever, I mean, you don't recognize the people's black history from here.

661
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,540
I mean, why is that not recognized or celebrated?

662
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,260
I'm very passionate about this.

663
00:52:56,260 --> 00:53:04,890
and so I feel like don't tell me that you're going to be an ally, if you're not really going to do the work.

664
00:53:05,950 --> 00:53:14,610
And I feel like a first good step is if you know, do the resolution, take steps, do the resolution,

665
00:53:15,370 --> 00:53:20,530
and also you need to do some listening sessions with the community.

666
00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:25,230
You need to listen to what we're saying because it seems like nobody's listening.

667
00:53:25,230 --> 00:53:34,730
I mean, if you would listen to a large population, I'm not just saying people of color and have

668
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:43,290
a workshop with actionable steps to follow through on what's going on and hear us because

669
00:53:43,290 --> 00:53:44,590
I don't feel like it is.

670
00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:47,250
It's more of the tourist attraction.

671
00:53:48,130 --> 00:53:52,830
You know, when I first thought the bridge was a great idea, but now I think, what about

672
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:58,270
the homeless, the drug overdose problem we have. People are dying here. People are dying.

673
00:53:59,290 --> 00:54:08,370
And you guys care more about what? So that's all I want to say. And to you guys, where are you

674
00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:14,610
Ben? Where have you been? That's all. Thank you. Thank you.

675
00:54:21,980 --> 00:54:23,800
Is there anyone else who wishes to speak

676
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:29,200
on an item that is not on the agenda? Come on up. Just state your name and your city and

677
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,680
and if you can give us your address or your board.

678
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,360
My name is Jane Smith.

679
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:34,640
I live in Goodview.

680
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,400
I grew up in Lady Smith, Wisconsin, which is in Rust County.

681
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:42,780
Recently, there was a drug bust up there.

682
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,920
11 people were arrested.

683
00:54:45,620 --> 00:54:48,480
18 firearms were confiscated.

684
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:53,240
$17,000 of cash.

685
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,040
And three pounds of meth.

686
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,320
And it came out a red wing.

687
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:08,840
You people are poisoning my home. I am from lady Smith. It's a beautiful town, and it's going to the dumps and

688
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:18,980
Something about your drug problem. This is we used to drive through red wing when I in the 70s when I was a kid

689
00:55:18,980 --> 00:55:22,220
I wanted to live on Bush Street

690
00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:24,980
Imagine I wanted to live on Bush Street

691
00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:26,000
gorgeous

692
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:33,100
it was beautiful and I don't know how I ended up down here but we

693
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:39,000
ended up down here life brought us here what an underbelly of a town I mean

694
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:45,620
my god it's beautiful but it is wrecked with your drugs and you guys need to

695
00:55:45,620 --> 00:55:50,560
clean it up and stop these people that were busted in lady Smith were coming

696
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:59,720
down here every other day picking up pounds. At least two pounds. I'm not talking 50, 100 pounds

697
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:07,320
of meth. And I know you people are have been it's touched your lives. You might not admit it

698
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,480
because you guys all want to sit up here and you know be middle class and pretend this shit doesn't

699
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:20,020
happened excuse me I'm sorry but it does and it affects a lot of people it's

700
00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:25,840
ruining my hometown my friends that I went to school with who most of them

701
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,460
thought I'd end up like that before they would and I look at these people that

702
00:56:30,460 --> 00:56:37,760
came from middle class upper-class homes I know your kids are dying to here we

703
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:38,920
She just heard it from Ruth.

704
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,280
When is it gonna stop?

705
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,000
When are you guys gonna start taking care of your town?

706
00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:48,000
I don't even live here and I'm glad I don't,

707
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,500
because for us, this size of town,

708
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:53,100
there's way too many drugs here.

709
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,660
And you need to keep them here

710
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:56,540
then not ship them up to my town.

711
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:57,660
Thank you.

712
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,600
Chief, were you followed with some of that information

713
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:08,840
in a future meeting for us?

714
00:57:09,340 --> 00:57:09,780
Yes.

715
00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:11,380
I'm not sure I should report or something.

716
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:12,100
Thank you.

717
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,020
Yes, come on up.

718
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,060
Greetings

719
00:57:22,070 --> 00:57:24,610
to the council and the city of Serzan,

720
00:57:24,830 --> 00:57:26,190
the city of Redmond, presidents.

721
00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:28,130
My name is Bill Habanonke.

722
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:30,870
I live in Redmond for 47 years.

723
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:34,750
I live on Grandview Avenue, up above Perkins restaurant.

724
00:57:35,730 --> 00:57:38,130
I wish to speak about the week haul effort.

725
00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:41,630
And I decided to attend this meeting

726
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:45,050
at the last minute I didn't have any notes ready.

727
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:47,810
But I try to be succinct as I can.

728
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:52,690
but I'm very alarmed about the recall.

729
00:57:54,050 --> 00:57:57,350
I don't know all the details about how I came about,

730
00:57:57,610 --> 00:58:01,130
maybe I should have, but still the recall alarms me.

731
00:58:02,110 --> 00:58:03,730
I think it's a dangerous precedent.

732
00:58:05,070 --> 00:58:08,390
It's not only for this city, but it's on a national level

733
00:58:09,870 --> 00:58:13,830
because all over we're hearing about voter suppression,

734
00:58:13,830 --> 00:58:23,290
election fraud after the election and what's most alarming before the election. So we need

735
00:58:23,290 --> 00:58:33,150
to get back to a much healthier form of bipartisanship. Let's let the voters decide because if

736
00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:38,450
we don't, our democracy is going to be in serious trouble. Thank you.

737
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:53,740
And remember that if you would like to speak on the recall, ask that you wait for a 10 F but anything else that's not on the

738
00:58:53,740 --> 00:58:57,140
Ingenia. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak? I mean not in the agenda. Come on up Terry.

739
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:09,220
Welcome.

740
00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:15,020
Hi, my name is Terry Cook and I'm a 27 year resident of ward 4.

741
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:24,220
Council members and staff, I just want to, I didn't plan to speak tonight, but there's been,

742
00:59:24,220 --> 00:59:30,340
And there's been some accusations that you don't listen and that you're not, that you're

743
00:59:30,340 --> 00:59:35,540
already formed opinions before any meetings or any information is given to you.

744
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:41,060
And I'm just here to tell everyone else and to tell you that I don't believe that that's

745
00:59:41,060 --> 00:59:41,260
true.

746
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:48,060
I know you to listen, I know you to process things, I also know you not to agree with everything

747
00:59:48,060 --> 00:59:48,900
that comes to you.

748
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,380
And that's okay.

749
00:59:50,380 --> 00:59:59,180
you are our elected officials and I have trust in you. I know that you work hard. I

750
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,520
Don't always agree even amongst yourselves, which civil discourse is important, it's healthy, and it's good for all of us. And I just want to say thank you for listening and doing what you feel is best for the community. I know it's not easy. And I know that I don't agree with all of your decisions. But I do know you listen. And I know that you process that I've seen it myself. I've seen it firsthand. So thank you.

751
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:29,520
Okay.

752
01:00:39,180 --> 01:00:41,860
Anyone else wishing to speak on an item that's not on the agenda?

753
01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:49,450
Yes, you drove a long ways.

754
01:00:50,570 --> 01:00:53,610
So a caller who would like to speak on an item that's not on the agenda?

755
01:00:56,730 --> 01:00:57,390
Josh Morrison?

756
01:00:57,610 --> 01:00:57,710
Any?

757
01:00:58,170 --> 01:01:00,830
Yep. Are you wishing to speak on an item not on the agenda?

758
01:01:02,510 --> 01:01:04,090
No. No, thank you.

759
01:01:04,830 --> 01:01:07,370
Thank you. You can go ahead and mute yourself, or I can have staff do that.

760
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:14,440
Any other callers that are wishing to speak on an item not on the agenda?

761
01:01:19,470 --> 01:01:20,570
Thank you, everybody who spoke.

762
01:01:20,570 --> 01:01:30,320
of two item eight board and commission communications and we'll start with the Port Authority update Dan if you wanted to give us an overview.

763
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:37,380
Thank you. Three items to report on this evening from the Port Authority meeting held on July 6.

764
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:44,680
First item was they had their first discussion of a preliminary levy and budgets for 2022.

765
01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:51,660
At the August meeting on August 2nd they will approve a preliminary levy and budget.

766
01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:55,240
so it was important to just have some early discussion on that.

767
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:01,740
They talked about various topics for 2022, including bulkhead repairs,

768
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,640
targeted projects, and downtown investments.

769
01:02:07,060 --> 01:02:17,820
They also looked at a draft redevelopment study by Hoysington Cogler for the West and including the former power-built site.

770
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:25,180
I did include a copy of that in the report for you and they will continue to discuss that

771
01:02:25,180 --> 01:02:27,480
at their August meeting as well.

772
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:35,240
We're starting to focus on actions that get us to a point of using that information for

773
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,640
a request for proposals and RFP process.

774
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:44,940
The third item we'd like a little input from the Council this evening and that's on downtown

775
01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:53,020
investment partnership. So the port has been discussing a few times how to move forward

776
01:02:53,020 --> 01:03:00,900
this year with downtown investments, including a dollar set aside that the city has put together

777
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:09,380
and that relates to a 2018-2019 pilot program, so a two-year pilot program that the council approved

778
01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:14,180
under using a framework of this downtown investment partnership.

779
01:03:14,340 --> 01:03:23,820
And I did include two documents related to that that were approved back in 2017 and 2018 just for some background information.

780
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:35,960
But the local foundations have been meeting recently to discuss their interest in putting dollars into or investments into the downtown area.

781
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:42,800
and do that in conjunction with the city slash port authority as well.

782
01:03:43,780 --> 01:03:51,760
And so the port cited that they really couldn't move forward as an organization or a group

783
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:56,680
without further direction from the council on how best to do that.

784
01:03:57,340 --> 01:04:04,480
We kind of landed on one option that seemed to make the most sense which was direction to

785
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:13,360
to have the port pick three members at least one council member and meet with a similar

786
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:19,900
number of foundation representatives just to sit down and have an initial discussion that

787
01:04:19,900 --> 01:04:28,260
would really talk about interests from both sides and maybe a common way to move forward

788
01:04:28,260 --> 01:04:31,280
with ideas, some kind of a program.

789
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:40,720
I did add a note, and that came just very recently on Thursday, Sherry and I were on a webinar with DEED.

790
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:53,300
And one of the, and I think it's receiving the most dollars allocation is a new program called Mean Street Economic Revitalization.

791
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,300
We literally got just a very high level description.

792
01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:02,820
There's another webinar this Thursday, specifically on that program with more details.

793
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:10,940
But it does provide a 30% matching grant to what they call eligible partners.

794
01:05:12,020 --> 01:05:18,360
But they're doing it, I haven't seen this before, but the eligible partners are foundations,

795
01:05:19,260 --> 01:05:23,680
for example, not cities, not port authorities or HRAs.

796
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:32,360
they really want local foundation, buy-in, and investments in this particular program.

797
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,540
This program is funded at $80 million.

798
01:05:36,540 --> 01:05:44,980
Just as an example, the latest round of redevelopment grants in the whole state is $2 million from

799
01:05:44,980 --> 01:05:45,340
deed.

800
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,820
That's a very popular program for redevelopment.

801
01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:54,760
And this is $80 million, so it is being highly funded and I think it's worth looking at

802
01:05:55,500 --> 01:06:01,520
not much detail, but it could fit into the scope, kind of the framework of what we've

803
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,300
been talking about as well.

804
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:11,720
So I'll stop there and see if any court members want to add to this, but we kind of hopefully

805
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,880
I really like a little bit of direction from the council on this topic.

806
01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:19,360
I'll let you leave off.

807
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:24,960
Well, I think you set us up very well, Dan, with the Downtown Investment Partnership.

808
01:06:26,140 --> 01:06:30,120
I think that this is fun that the City Council has obviously put forward and I would like

809
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:35,500
to see us continue with that Downtown Investment Partnership and something that's sustainable

810
01:06:35,500 --> 01:06:36,360
in the long term.

811
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:44,440
And I think that the suggestion of having a blended committee of a porch with perhaps

812
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:51,400
council representation and the partner representation I think is a good place to start.

813
01:06:51,780 --> 01:06:55,840
I think that it's not really clear that we're all on the same page and I think that that's

814
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,840
the first step is what does the investment partnership really want out of this partnership

815
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,660
And then, how can we partner with them long-term?

816
01:07:05,460 --> 01:07:12,900
That's where I feel like we need a little bit more alignment, and I think the port is a really good place to how is that alignment.

817
01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:16,060
Yeah, follow up.

818
01:07:16,780 --> 01:07:26,180
I mean, the city has been setting aside, I'll have set aside significant money for this downtown investment partnership.

819
01:07:26,180 --> 01:07:33,900
during the pilot program, we really didn't do much with it.

820
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:40,240
We ended up doing this Josephson's project, but that was a city kind of leading that through.

821
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:50,880
So I think the question, and right now, the city is budgeting and the port are budgeting to kind of continue reinvesting in that fund

822
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,860
so that we can continue it and grow it over the,

823
01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:00,910
continue to have funds available to grow it.

824
01:08:01,570 --> 01:08:03,810
So I think for me, you know,

825
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:07,610
Council President Norton put it very well that

826
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:12,910
we need to sit down and make sure everybody's

827
01:08:12,910 --> 01:08:14,650
sort of on the same page about where

828
01:08:15,070 --> 01:08:18,150
and how these funds get utilized and distributed.

829
01:08:18,270 --> 01:08:19,890
I think it's important that they do.

830
01:08:20,970 --> 01:08:30,170
But I feel like from my point of view, the pilot project didn't really kind of meet the

831
01:08:30,170 --> 01:08:32,110
expectations that we were hoping for.

832
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:41,010
And so I think it's time to say we need to get back and say how do we kind of have a head

833
01:08:41,010 --> 01:08:42,750
to head meeting with a small group.

834
01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:52,970
I met several months ago with some of the parties that want to become involved in this.

835
01:08:52,970 --> 01:08:57,710
and I would suggest we saddle up here and get to sing a rollin.

836
01:08:58,610 --> 01:09:00,630
They're anxious to see something happen.

837
01:09:01,470 --> 01:09:06,170
I don't think we want to have meetings upon meetings discuss this.

838
01:09:06,350 --> 01:09:10,170
I like that you're getting like three of each group together

839
01:09:10,170 --> 01:09:13,890
and streamline this thing and roll because I can say they're anxious

840
01:09:13,890 --> 01:09:15,170
to see something happen.

841
01:09:16,030 --> 01:09:20,090
And I don't think you want to lollygag way on this deal

842
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:26,250
and think about studying this and not just these folks have done a lot of developments in the past,

843
01:09:26,570 --> 01:09:30,870
they're well aware of what they do, they've got connections, they're anxious to see some

844
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:38,030
improvement and things happen now. So I would suggest that we keep the fires burning on this thing

845
01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:42,410
because it's, we've got a wonderful opportunity here. We got some wonderful investors that want to

846
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:48,850
come aboard and I think if we work with them and work hard, we can see some activity happen soon.

847
01:09:48,850 --> 01:09:51,570
So I suggest if we could do that that would be wonderful.

848
01:09:52,770 --> 01:09:58,350
You elaborate a little bit on who you say they are curious on who they are.

849
01:09:58,350 --> 01:10:06,910
Some of the philanthropic people in town here are different groups that want to get involved in this.

850
01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:13,170
You don't have to get specific, I was just trying to get a general idea.

851
01:10:13,170 --> 01:10:13,670
Right.

852
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:16,930
Additional ones that are already currently in the investment partnership.

853
01:10:16,930 --> 01:10:17,170
Right.

854
01:10:17,230 --> 01:10:21,890
The ones that are already represented here.

855
01:10:21,970 --> 01:10:22,790
The ones that are already represented here.

856
01:10:23,410 --> 01:10:24,370
The ones that are already represented.

857
01:10:24,370 --> 01:10:26,350
That's what I was just trying to figure out.

858
01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:27,030
And we have that.

859
01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:30,750
So they would like to, like you say, keep the farmers burning under this.

860
01:10:30,930 --> 01:10:32,430
I think we got a wonderful opportunity here.

861
01:10:32,590 --> 01:10:34,770
Let's don't stumble with it.

862
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:46,180
I certainly believe that, you know, I think the idea is to kind of put a small group together

863
01:10:46,180 --> 01:10:50,600
support and do it there. I think that's the right place.

864
01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:54,170
And I

865
01:10:57,050 --> 01:11:00,030
don't echo what Mike said that

866
01:11:00,030 --> 01:11:05,990
I do want to see us move quickly, but I also want to make sure that, like I said, we have been

867
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:11,910
putting money away for years or continuing that. And so I think we have put a commitment down in real

868
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:20,950
terms, not, you know, we're very conscious and conscientious about putting those funds aside

869
01:11:21,370 --> 01:11:22,410
for justice purpose.

870
01:11:22,650 --> 01:11:28,010
So, I think it's important that we get on the same page, not just study it endlessly,

871
01:11:28,290 --> 01:11:30,330
but we all need to be on the same page.

872
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,740
Some general consensus that we can start a process with some members of the port working

873
01:11:39,740 --> 01:11:45,680
with the downtown investment partnership, some representatives from them to look at how

874
01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:49,880
they would bring something back. We would recommend they would bring a recommendation

875
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:55,400
back to council to approve how we would look at spending those funds. I think that that

876
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:01,240
will be a streamlined method of getting something on paper that says here's what we really want

877
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,940
to look at and here's how we're going to do it. Here's projects that will support or ideas

878
01:12:04,940 --> 01:12:06,040
is that we'll support this side?

879
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:08,300
Yeah, I agree with that.

880
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:08,480
Excuse me.

881
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,420
Okay, is that good?

882
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:11,900
Yes.

883
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:12,780
Very much.

884
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:13,160
Thank you.

885
01:12:13,820 --> 01:12:14,240
That's it.

886
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:14,820
My report.

887
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,020
I did a learn more about the dean.

888
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:17,200
Mm-hmm.

889
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,820
Program that you guys were just mentioning as well.

890
01:12:20,060 --> 01:12:20,620
So that's awesome.

891
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:22,820
Anything else in your report?

892
01:12:23,340 --> 01:12:24,060
No, thank you.

893
01:12:24,460 --> 01:12:25,080
Thanks again, Dan.

894
01:12:25,820 --> 01:12:27,040
All right, that brings us to 8B.

895
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,720
Council Liaison, commission reports.

896
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:30,700
That, Andy.

897
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:40,220
Casteline Silinski, I am from her heritage preservation committee for moving out of town.

898
01:12:40,540 --> 01:12:40,700
Okay.

899
01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:43,280
There's an opening there for the HPC.

900
01:12:44,060 --> 01:12:44,820
Sandy.

901
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:47,560
Erin?

902
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:50,460
I promised the library board.

903
01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:51,720
I would promote them again.

904
01:12:52,720 --> 01:13:00,240
The library has partnered with the Red Wing Park natural list to an creative event called

905
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,220
the quorum adventures. The first one is tomorrow at 9.30,

906
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:10,480
callable courtyard. They'll be stories and each activity in a nature walk. All ages are welcome,

907
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:17,080
and there's no need to pre-register. And then the second event with the park mattress will be on

908
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:25,380
Tuesday, July 27th, also at 9.30. And the theme tomorrow will be animal tracks, and then the theme on

909
01:13:25,380 --> 01:13:30,640
The 27th is a mystery theme, so we'll see what happens.

910
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:31,780
Awesome, thank you.

911
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,160
Any other board or commission reports?

912
01:13:35,340 --> 01:13:39,120
We didn't have as many between the last meeting in this meeting, so probably a little light

913
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:39,640
this time.

914
01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:45,520
All right, that brings us to item 9, the consent agenda.

915
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:50,100
Any item anyone wishes to pull?

916
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:59,300
I just wanted to pull that up and I don't think I'll say what.

917
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:00,920
I want to say what it's here.

918
01:14:01,380 --> 01:14:03,820
So we'll pull item 9f, isn't Frank?

919
01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:08,150
Anything else, anyone wishes to pull?

920
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,380
Make a motion to approve the consent agenda, minus 9f.

921
01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:15,620
Second.

922
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,080
Motion by Evan.

923
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,080
Second by Andy to approve consent agenda, minus 9f.

924
01:14:21,980 --> 01:14:23,360
OK, would you do a roll call for us please?

925
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:24,900
Bus.

926
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:25,940
Aye.

927
01:14:26,540 --> 01:14:26,920
Plitsky.

928
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:27,380
Aye.

929
01:14:27,820 --> 01:14:28,220
Stinson.

930
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:28,800
Aye.

931
01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:29,620
Both.

932
01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:30,020
Aye.

933
01:14:30,740 --> 01:14:31,220
Norton.

934
01:14:31,460 --> 01:14:31,560
Aye.

935
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:32,240
Brown.

936
01:14:32,580 --> 01:14:32,740
Aye.

937
01:14:32,740 --> 01:14:38,920
six-size motion carries. Thank you. Right nine F. Do you want to? Yeah. I just

938
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:44,000
as far as English I don't think we even need this. Keep track of the the names

939
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:51,260
and people I mean I'm just not enthused about even even doing this as a process.

940
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:57,680
So I'm just putting it out there. I just like it to take it off.

941
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,740
I don't think it's necessary. I did an exchange with Amy earlier today about it. And there was one sentence in our exchange that really hit me as really meaningful and impactful. I was sort of on the fence with, sort of on the fence with this process. I needed a lot more information about it, but the statement that individuals have the right to remove their signatures as long as they do so before the relevant body has accepted the petition and taken action upon it. That's significant to me.

942
01:15:29,740 --> 01:15:36,080
the fact that we have residents who have specifically said that they had concerns that their

943
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:40,320
signature was on something that for whatever their reason was they no longer want their

944
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:45,960
name on it. And I want to honor and respect that they have chosen to have their name removed.

945
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:52,200
They should have that right to have their name removed. So I don't know if you wanted to

946
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:58,760
speak any more to that. Sure, I'll give you a little background and then I can speak to both

947
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,040
your comments. So you know the question was asked once staff started getting requests

948
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:07,380
from citizens to have their names removed from the petition as to what was the process

949
01:16:07,380 --> 01:16:12,720
for doing that. The charter doesn't specifically speak to that topic. However, in looking at

950
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:19,140
court cases, there are a whole host of cases in other areas where the courts have looked

951
01:16:19,140 --> 01:16:23,060
at petitions and whether individuals have a right to withdraw their names from a petition

952
01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:28,840
and once they've signed it, and just as an example of where these cases arise from.

953
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:34,600
One case involved, a couple of the cases involved moving a county seat from one location

954
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:35,680
to another location.

955
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,760
They're quite old decisions, and they were governed.

956
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:43,520
The process of moving the county seat was governed by statute, but the statute did not have

957
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,380
any language about whether someone could remove their name once they had signed the petition.

958
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,100
The petition process was very similar to the recall petition process.

959
01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:53,540
you have to have a certain number of voter sign it,

960
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,020
county auditor in those cases looked at the signatures

961
01:16:56,020 --> 01:16:57,420
to see if they're valid voters

962
01:16:57,420 --> 01:17:00,060
and if they had a sufficient number of voters

963
01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:00,840
signed the petitions.

964
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:02,780
And so the question for the court,

965
01:17:03,100 --> 01:17:04,940
the main question the court addressed was,

966
01:17:05,500 --> 01:17:08,000
can people remove their names once they've signed it?

967
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:10,400
And the court said that they had no doubt

968
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,560
of the right of any signers to withdraw their name

969
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:13,300
from the petition.

970
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,340
At the time before the board had completed

971
01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:17,880
the determination in the matter.

972
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:23,140
So, you know, if the board had, if you, when you look at the sort of line of court cases,

973
01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:28,360
once it's gotten past sort of the board accepting it and scheduling a hearing or court taking

974
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:33,820
the petition and scheduling a hearing or whatever the next steps in the processes, once

975
01:17:33,820 --> 01:17:38,080
it's been accepted and there's been action taken, then it's too late to have your signatures

976
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:38,500
removed.

977
01:17:40,980 --> 01:17:45,840
Here, the council really has not accepted any of the petitions that have come before yet,

978
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:51,040
but rather the council has decided that the petitions do not allege grounds that constitute

979
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,520
malfeasance or non-feasance and thus has declined to call a special election.

980
01:17:55,420 --> 01:18:00,340
So I think council member hold of suggestion of perhaps doing nothing is a valid option

981
01:18:00,340 --> 01:18:07,420
because you have accepted the petitions so we're somehow the petitions to come before the

982
01:18:07,420 --> 01:18:08,380
council in the future.

983
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:14,260
The council could at that time decide to do what to do with people who wanted their signatures

984
01:18:14,260 --> 01:18:21,500
is removed. The council could direct staff, for example, that if these petitions ever

985
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:25,440
come before the council again, we want you to notify those people and let them know

986
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:29,460
that if they want their names removed, the appropriate thing to do would be to appear

987
01:18:29,460 --> 01:18:34,880
at that council meeting when the petitions come before the body again and ask to have their

988
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:39,860
names struck. And then the council can decide what to do at that time. The other option is

989
01:18:39,860 --> 01:18:45,340
to approve this process. I think the council can do that as well. I don't think the council

990
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:49,620
would need to take any further action. And again, if the petitions ever made their way

991
01:18:49,620 --> 01:18:54,280
back to this body, you know, then staff could update you on, okay, here's who presented

992
01:18:54,280 --> 01:19:00,120
a request to be stricken. And then again, it could come before you for sort of final action

993
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,900
on whether those signatures were stricken or not.

994
01:19:08,150 --> 01:19:13,750
Kind of to summarize my position on it. I do think it's appropriate to, to me, there's

995
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:16,810
middle ground that you will offer it in there. I mean, there's, to Dean's point, there's

996
01:19:16,810 --> 01:19:19,990
really no point. We haven't done anything with these petitions. It's sort of in this,

997
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:25,810
in this place where we haven't accepted it. There's no action on it. So right now, removing

998
01:19:25,810 --> 01:19:32,450
them isn't, isn't really an issue. However, we have received concerns. And so, residents

999
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:36,570
who may be concerned that this will come before the council at some later date for any purpose.

1000
01:19:37,090 --> 01:19:41,070
I think it would appropriate, be appropriate to have a process. Should that happen at, at

1001
01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:46,010
any later date and I would suggest the one that you offered which is that they could

1002
01:19:46,010 --> 01:19:55,210
come to that council meeting or I think you offered to either come in person to

1003
01:19:55,210 --> 01:19:59,490
city hall to speak with the city clerk or virtually or state that they no longer want

1004
01:19:59,490 --> 01:20:03,290
their name on the petition to require the person to write a short statement requesting

1005
01:20:03,290 --> 01:20:08,130
the removal of their name have it noterized and submitted by the city clerk by mail or electronically

1006
01:20:08,130 --> 01:20:14,510
And then the city clerk would present those to the council or a citizen or resident could come to the council and him or herself.

1007
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:21,430
I think as an appropriate process, should we ever take action on these petitions or some future petition?

1008
01:20:27,670 --> 01:20:35,160
Of course, I've had people approach me on adding their names.

1009
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:43,460
So I assume that the process would be the same because they asked me what to do and as I referred them to the city clerk, I said I'd not

1010
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:46,020
my deal.

1011
01:20:46,020 --> 01:20:46,560
It's

1012
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,400
in the process to make it fair, but I don't know.

1013
01:20:54,430 --> 01:20:58,730
I think the process to add names is governed completely by the committees.

1014
01:20:58,730 --> 01:21:00,070
Is that, do you want to address that, Amy?

1015
01:21:00,910 --> 01:21:06,350
Yeah, I mean, that I would say has, that window has closed because the petitions have been submitted to the council.

1016
01:21:06,710 --> 01:21:08,030
Can I have a quiet place so we can hear the answer?

1017
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:17,050
I mean, the charter lays out the time period for gathering signatures.

1018
01:21:17,530 --> 01:21:21,030
And once that is closed, you know, that's closed, in my opinion.

1019
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:24,510
and there's not a process to add signatures

1020
01:21:24,510 --> 01:21:27,070
once the petitions have been submitted to the council.

1021
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:30,720
That's cleared in the charter.

1022
01:21:41,390 --> 01:21:46,680
I guess I would say I kind of lean with Dean.

1023
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,540
I don't see any at this point

1024
01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:50,780
in the need for action on this.

1025
01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:57,220
It's, I understand that there were a lot of complaints

1026
01:21:57,220 --> 01:22:00,260
and that there may be people who feel that way,

1027
01:22:00,260 --> 01:22:08,680
but as our attorney stated that you know there is a process to if this should

1028
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,020
and these petition should come back in some way there's a process to address

1029
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:16,280
that so I would kind of lean with again lean with the industry just kind of

1030
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:16,920
let this go.

1031
01:22:25,070 --> 01:22:29,030
There's certainly can take it up again at some other later date or

1032
01:22:30,330 --> 01:22:30,790
what

1033
01:22:34,050 --> 01:22:38,690
I'm not saying is don't keep trackable we need to keep track of those folks but

1034
01:22:38,690 --> 01:22:44,410
but I just think that this process is not worth it right now.

1035
01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:52,420
Just to make a motion on the item?

1036
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:53,040
No,

1037
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:56,490
procedures that I need to work on.

1038
01:22:56,710 --> 01:22:58,950
If there's no motion, you can just move on.

1039
01:22:59,270 --> 01:23:00,870
We're just not going to address it anymore.

1040
01:23:02,030 --> 01:23:03,610
Okay, all right, we've moved on.

1041
01:23:04,330 --> 01:23:07,370
All right, we're on to item 10, motions in general business.

1042
01:23:08,330 --> 01:23:09,850
All right, item 10A.

1043
01:23:10,110 --> 01:23:11,750
Just consider a motion to recommend

1044
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:14,810
from personnel committee to a point Gordon were

1045
01:23:14,810 --> 01:23:16,790
as the Red Wing Police Chief.

1046
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:20,670
Okay, do you want to do an introduction for that?

1047
01:23:21,130 --> 01:23:21,390
Sure.

1048
01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:27,950
I'm really happy tonight to be able to tell you that in Room Chief Rohren, I have spent

1049
01:23:27,950 --> 01:23:34,890
quite a bit of time work the last month talking about and encouraging to consider the position.

1050
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:41,390
I do feel like he's the right person right now to help us through this challenging time.

1051
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:45,510
And Gordon has a lot of experience, he's worked for the city for a long time, he's worked

1052
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:46,270
for another city.

1053
01:23:46,270 --> 01:23:52,630
He has a great relationship internally in the department and I think he is going to be

1054
01:23:52,630 --> 01:23:53,710
a great leader for the city.

1055
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:59,990
So what I brought to the personnel committee was a proposal that I had made to Gordon and

1056
01:23:59,990 --> 01:24:04,410
obviously he's an officer of the city council so the council needs to take action on that.

1057
01:24:04,850 --> 01:24:09,250
I did provide you with a copy of that letter which is confidential until the council takes

1058
01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:11,930
action on it which time it would be public information.

1059
01:24:11,930 --> 01:24:18,110
So tonight, what I'm asking you to do is pass a motion to appoint Gordon Rohr as our

1060
01:24:18,110 --> 01:24:18,950
new police chief.

1061
01:24:19,650 --> 01:24:26,890
If you decide to do that, we would like to do an oath of office and a badge pinning ceremony

1062
01:24:26,890 --> 01:24:28,210
on July 26th.

1063
01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:30,310
Thank you.

1064
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:30,490
Okay.

1065
01:24:31,230 --> 01:24:35,010
Evan S. Chair of that personnel, do you want to address anything or speak to it?

1066
01:24:36,510 --> 01:24:44,680
kind of just like to say and I think that we were very

1067
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,220
happy that NK

1068
01:24:52,170 --> 01:24:53,890
came to an agreement

1069
01:24:53,890 --> 01:25:01,430
there. I think it felt really like the right place at the right time. So I

1070
01:25:04,180 --> 01:25:05,580
felt like it

1071
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,580
has been a challenging time and I think that

1072
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,620
Interim Chief Roar has done an exemplary

1073
01:25:16,620 --> 01:25:24,460
a job and I fully support the recommendation of the personal committee, unequivocally.

1074
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:27,080
I do too.

1075
01:25:27,500 --> 01:25:33,240
I was, I found out about a late before the personal committee and I was very extreme,

1076
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:44,190
well, extremely happy that he decided to say yes and that really is, I mean, he is absolutely,

1077
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:47,570
as I told you, at the personal committee, you're the right person at the right time.

1078
01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:56,800
I was extremely happy that you decided to take the job, maybe

1079
01:25:59,230 --> 01:26:00,590
else, but I'll make motion

1080
01:26:00,590 --> 01:26:05,750
to, we have point Gordon Roar as a Red Wing Police Chief.

1081
01:26:06,510 --> 01:26:07,170
I got it.

1082
01:26:07,330 --> 01:26:07,890
I got it.

1083
01:26:07,930 --> 01:26:08,250
I got it.

1084
01:26:08,530 --> 01:26:08,690
I got it.

1085
01:26:08,690 --> 01:26:08,850
I got it.

1086
01:26:10,430 --> 01:26:10,910
I got it.

1087
01:26:11,470 --> 01:26:12,090
I got it.

1088
01:26:12,090 --> 01:26:15,710
I got it.

1089
01:26:17,050 --> 01:26:18,690
I got it.

1090
01:26:18,690 --> 01:26:22,130
this and looking at a lot of things and Kay and Gordon have been working closely as well

1091
01:26:22,130 --> 01:26:28,690
as with your police department and I couldn't be happy to support this so just to have full

1092
01:26:28,690 --> 01:26:36,880
support from here. So Jim, yep Mike. I just like to reiterate that you know I got thrown

1093
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:44,140
into this deal and I thought my goodness this is quite a situation but I appreciate you stepping

1094
01:26:44,140 --> 01:26:50,480
stepping up. I saw what's going on amongst the forests and very appreciative that you handled

1095
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:54,800
it the way you did and looking forward to working with you and thank you again for

1096
01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:56,100
taking a side.

1097
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:00,760
Any other comments?

1098
01:27:07,550 --> 01:27:07,790
All right.

1099
01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:13,790
There is a motion on the table, all those in favor of approving a recommendation from the

1100
01:27:13,790 --> 01:27:16,830
personal committee to a point Gordon Rour as a Red Wing police chief. Say aye.

1101
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:17,670
Aye.

1102
01:27:18,370 --> 01:27:19,050
Any opposed, Hene?

1103
01:27:20,010 --> 01:27:21,630
All right. Thank you. Welcome.

1104
01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:38,020
I'm really glad to have you, Gordon. Welcome.

1105
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:42,050
I just wonder if he should have done it.

1106
01:27:43,970 --> 01:27:45,410
Mike can tell it runs.

1107
01:27:45,530 --> 01:27:46,210
You're going to do good.

1108
01:27:46,610 --> 01:27:47,670
Grady, you'll do really good.

1109
01:27:48,170 --> 01:27:48,670
Very good.

1110
01:27:49,130 --> 01:27:49,490
Very good.

1111
01:27:51,210 --> 01:27:53,330
All right, that brings us to item 10D.

1112
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:58,930
Consider motion-approved actions related to the reconstruction of the phone and John Ridge Park.

1113
01:27:59,150 --> 01:28:01,210
This is an awesome piece.

1114
01:28:01,490 --> 01:28:02,670
So welcome, Sean and John.

1115
01:28:03,970 --> 01:28:10,770
Good evening, council, mayor, sit staff and residents, Sean Blaine, Deputy Director of Public Works.

1116
01:28:11,050 --> 01:28:16,510
Here too, discuss or bring to you this project at John Rich Park.

1117
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:25,110
So as you know, back in 2020, staff was contacted by a community member providing funding to store the phone at John Rich Park.

1118
01:28:26,110 --> 01:28:32,250
A feasibility had been completed for the reconstruction of this phone while in conjunction with another park,

1119
01:28:32,250 --> 01:28:38,610
park project in Lagrange Park. This feasibility study provided us with some cost estimates for

1120
01:28:38,610 --> 01:28:43,550
the project and due to those cost estimates this project could be publicly bitten.

1121
01:28:47,380 --> 01:28:47,740
Tonight

1122
01:28:47,740 --> 01:28:52,880
we're asking the council to enter into a construction contract with global specialties contractors

1123
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:57,740
for the reconstruction of the fault in a John Ridge Park. We did publicly bid this project and only

1124
01:28:57,740 --> 01:28:58,780
in one bit was received.

1125
01:28:59,540 --> 01:29:04,480
It was over the estimate, but barely over the estimate.

1126
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:06,160
The engineer's estimate.

1127
01:29:06,700 --> 01:29:09,000
The first alternate listed was an upgraded waterproofing

1128
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,300
membrane, after having a conversation with the contractor,

1129
01:29:11,900 --> 01:29:15,180
that membrane was no better than the original one's spec,

1130
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,860
so that we decided to forego that upgraded.

1131
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,720
It was just more expensive option as all of us.

1132
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,940
The second alternate is related to the sanitary sewer

1133
01:29:22,940 --> 01:29:23,340
connection.

1134
01:29:24,140 --> 01:29:26,100
When the fault was originally constructed,

1135
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:30,280
that there was no connection to the sanitary sewer connection was required at that time.

1136
01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:33,120
Now codes have changed and it is required.

1137
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:39,860
When Third Street was reconstructed between East and West Avenue, we believe a sewer connection

1138
01:29:39,860 --> 01:29:41,640
was stopped in towards the park.

1139
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,620
We just don't know if it was stopped in behind the curb or not, we can't verify that.

1140
01:29:47,420 --> 01:29:51,040
So alternate two was related to that connection.

1141
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:59,640
If for some reason that connection did was not stopped into the behind the curb we'll have to excavate into the street and we didn't want to be standing.

1142
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,300
Next to an open hole, a beautiful day, and all of a sudden have an emergency, where we have to open up the street. So we opted to have an alternate bid that way. We already know what it's going to cost. There'd be no question.

1143
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:29,980
Then the third alternate was related to that waterproofing membrane. Since we didn't opt for that, there's no reason to consider that. Planning staff did bring this project to the plan HPC for an informal review and discussion. And the discussion was primarily based around the side.

1144
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:31,120
sidewalks that surround the phone.

1145
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:32,640
Those sidewalks have to be removed

1146
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,520
because they've settled.

1147
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:35,540
They're pitched the wrong way.

1148
01:30:35,620 --> 01:30:36,440
We have standing water.

1149
01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:39,060
And in order to replace those,

1150
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:40,980
we need now today, we need to meet ADA

1151
01:30:40,980 --> 01:30:43,560
and a stamped concrete sidewalk does not meet ADA.

1152
01:30:44,020 --> 01:30:46,040
So those sidewalks will be replaced

1153
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:50,520
with just a colored concrete with sawcut joints

1154
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:51,480
that will meet ADA.

1155
01:30:51,980 --> 01:30:53,240
It won't be the stamped concrete,

1156
01:30:53,380 --> 01:30:56,180
but the goal is to have a colored concrete

1157
01:30:56,180 --> 01:30:57,820
to match as well as we can.

1158
01:30:58,380 --> 01:30:59,800
Matching colored concrete is not only

1159
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:07,820
like these either. The fountain liner will be a fluid-applied polyurethane liquid resin.

1160
01:31:08,140 --> 01:31:11,780
It's essentially a roofing and water-proofing material, not that really anybody cares.

1161
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:13,920
But I get the boring part, and she'll get the fun part.

1162
01:31:17,620 --> 01:31:22,900
And then it has kind of a quartz finish to it, so it'll be like a pool.

1163
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:29,200
The overall budget of this project, so we're asking you to approve an overall budget

1164
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:36,420
of 318,686 dollars which will be fully covered by our philanthropist, our donor.

1165
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:47,840
The included in that is the $266,166,166,177 dollar contract with global specialties contractors.

1166
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:53,380
That includes alternate two so if we don't need to do alternate two that will go down by I think

1167
01:31:53,380 --> 01:31:56,580
it's around 20,000 is alternate two so that contract will go down.

1168
01:31:57,380 --> 01:32:03,660
And then there's a 5% contingency, construction contingency on that for $13,308.

1169
01:32:04,220 --> 01:32:10,440
And then our engineering firm has their estimated costs are $39,200.

1170
01:32:10,860 --> 01:32:15,700
So the overall project ends up at $318,686 and $38.

1171
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,480
Unless we're fortunate and not have to dig up that street and have that ultimate.

1172
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:25,720
Any questions for me?

1173
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:32,040
Thank you.

1174
01:32:33,500 --> 01:32:37,720
So the city would like to thank the donor for this amazing gift to the residents of Redling.

1175
01:32:38,440 --> 01:32:42,000
Because of this local donor's generosity, the Fountain and John Ridge Park will be

1176
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:43,620
restored to its original beauty.

1177
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:48,580
This park lies in the center of our community and everyone who lives here and visits here

1178
01:32:48,580 --> 01:32:51,260
will be able to enjoy this feeling for a whole other generation.

1179
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:56,340
We know this donor would like to remain anonymous, but we did want to mention here at this meeting

1180
01:32:56,340 --> 01:33:00,680
that the city is incredibly grateful to this person's dedication to Red Wing.

1181
01:33:01,260 --> 01:33:05,820
It is because of people like this and other local philanthropic donors that we and Red Wing,

1182
01:33:05,860 --> 01:33:11,560
all of us are able to live among all of our parks, our trails, memorials, overlooks, and in

1183
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,240
this case a gorgeous fountain in the middle of our city.

1184
01:33:14,980 --> 01:33:19,720
So thank you to the donor for this incredibly generous gift, and thank you to the council,

1185
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,020
all of you for your consideration of this project.

1186
01:33:26,180 --> 01:33:30,720
I'll echo what you said about the thank you for bringing this forward.

1187
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:36,500
I know on our fall tour and a couple of tours ago, we talked about this fountain and the fountain

1188
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:43,420
near the Lagrange parking lot and being conscientious of where we are prioritizing funds,

1189
01:33:43,420 --> 01:33:51,120
neither of those were in our means for the near future where things had to put aside.

1190
01:33:51,120 --> 01:34:01,960
So if it weren't for this donor coming forward, we would just still be sitting on it the way that it was so I'm thrilled and ever so thankful for this opportunity.

1191
01:34:04,610 --> 01:34:06,230
So what would you like to do?

1192
01:34:09,950 --> 01:34:19,970
Like a motion to adopt resolution number 7665, accepting the donation of funds from an anonymous donor to reconstruct the fountain at John Ridge Park.

1193
01:34:20,890 --> 01:34:24,070
second motion by Evan and a second by Erin.

1194
01:34:25,150 --> 01:34:27,210
K, will you do a roll call please?

1195
01:34:27,550 --> 01:34:27,650
Yes.

1196
01:34:28,110 --> 01:34:28,490
Klitsky.

1197
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:29,930
Stinson.

1198
01:34:30,370 --> 01:34:30,550
I.

1199
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:31,290
O.

1200
01:34:31,650 --> 01:34:31,830
I.

1201
01:34:32,370 --> 01:34:32,770
Horton.

1202
01:34:33,070 --> 01:34:33,150
I.

1203
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:34,270
Brown.

1204
01:34:34,710 --> 01:34:34,850
I.

1205
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:35,690
Bus.

1206
01:34:36,290 --> 01:34:36,410
I.

1207
01:34:36,910 --> 01:34:37,370
Six eyes.

1208
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:38,030
Motion carries.

1209
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:44,980
Motion for the other three.

1210
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:45,440
Yeah.

1211
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:46,440
Why don't we do that?

1212
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:53,420
A motion to accept bids for the reconstruction of the fountain.

1213
01:34:53,420 --> 01:35:03,360
Approved contract with Global Specialty Contractors Inc in the amount of $2,666,167,77 dollars,

1214
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:12,020
and approved overall budget, project budget of $318,686,000, including one alternate.

1215
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:13,600
Second.

1216
01:35:14,440 --> 01:35:14,580
All right.

1217
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:20,380
Motion to accept all three of those items, two, three, and four in summary, I've been in

1218
01:35:20,380 --> 01:35:21,340
in the second by Erin.

1219
01:35:21,500 --> 01:35:22,520
All those in favor say aye.

1220
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:23,300
Aye.

1221
01:35:23,860 --> 01:35:24,340
Any opposed?

1222
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:26,800
Let's thank you.

1223
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:29,420
All right, the next item is 10C.

1224
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,600
Consider motion to authorize staff to solicit bids

1225
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,240
for the design purchase and installation of a drum magnet

1226
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,240
for the removal of steel in the waste processing stream.

1227
01:35:37,860 --> 01:35:38,340
Now, Jeff.

1228
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,380
Yeah, I jump out a little bit there.

1229
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:42,760
So I just got trained in this today,

1230
01:35:42,980 --> 01:35:44,500
so I'm hoping I can do this.

1231
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:15,200
Council President Norton, Mayor Wilson.

1232
01:36:15,420 --> 01:36:16,900
Council members, my name is Jeff Schneider.

1233
01:36:16,900 --> 01:36:46,800
I'm Deputy Director of Public Works for the Salt Waste Division and I'm here today asking for your approval for creation of construction documents and letting bids for an engineered design of plans, a purchase of equipment which would drum magnet and installation of the drum magnet into the existing material recovery operations, the specific area of where we would insert the drum magnet would be down here right in this corner right here and

1234
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:48,020
it would be right.

1235
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,800
So the purpose of the drug magnet is really to capture steel, iron steel,

1236
01:36:54,980 --> 01:36:59,300
from the waste stream prior to introduction of the material into shredder two.

1237
01:36:59,900 --> 01:37:05,800
Credder two is really the final step of the RDF process for sizing. And in spite of the existing

1238
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:11,040
recovery equipment, metal recovery equipment we have in place, we still have a small amount of

1239
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:15,680
dense, heavy steel items not being pulled from the waste stream either because it's not being

1240
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:20,560
seen by the pick line staffs that might be covered by other material or it's too heavy

1241
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:26,300
for the existing belt magnets, or it could be covered by waste which would reduce the

1242
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:31,780
magnetic forces. This is a kind of an example of the type of material I'm talking about.

1243
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:36,360
You know, it's a big mall. You can see it's been scored right here by Shredder 2.

1244
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:45,400
So this

1245
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,460
the waste stream, so it doesn't cause any more damage.

1246
01:37:48,220 --> 01:37:51,360
So what happens is, the real concern with this

1247
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,980
is that when this particular does get to shredder two,

1248
01:37:54,780 --> 01:37:58,280
it often chips the teeth, and it reduces the quality

1249
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,820
of the shred, and it produces a really string type of waste,

1250
01:38:00,820 --> 01:38:04,080
which is not ideal for our end user.

1251
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:09,760
So an idea, or this is an example of some of the metal

1252
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:11,000
that have gone in there.

1253
01:38:11,740 --> 01:38:14,540
It's really big chunks of steel.

1254
01:38:14,540 --> 01:38:19,000
And here is an example of what the shredder teeth look like after having to be taken out.

1255
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:25,080
You'll see that the shredder's teeth itself are really kind of chipped up there, and the

1256
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:29,040
reason being is that big pieces of steel like this are going through are not being taken

1257
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:29,420
out.

1258
01:38:29,940 --> 01:38:37,900
So when we do have to replace these teeth, we do have two sets of teeth.

1259
01:38:37,900 --> 01:39:02,420
So what happens is we will take these teeth out, they will be sent back to the manufacturer, which is SSI, and they will grind off the edge here, which is the hard-basing edge there, and then they will grind down the rest of the service and add a new hard-basing to the entire edge and the forward-cutting area.

1260
01:39:04,180 --> 01:39:12,240
So one of the things that we are doing differently now than we have when we initially got these teeth is that we are going to be using a different heart-facing.

1261
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:16,940
The current heart-facing that we're using on these teeth is, well, it's very hard.

1262
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:27,600
And what that does is instead of denting it chips, so we have gone to a softer heart-facing, which is kind of an oxymoron there.

1263
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:34,600
But a softer hard base, too, hope that the chief will give rather than ship and give us

1264
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:36,940
a longer life on the teeth itself.

1265
01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:44,540
When materials like this go through the shrutter, what happens is the system is really designed

1266
01:39:44,540 --> 01:39:45,360
not to break.

1267
01:39:45,780 --> 01:39:50,580
So when it comes in from above, the teeth go ahead at once, if they can't go through, they

1268
01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:55,060
back off and they hit it again, if they can't go through, they back off and it stops.

1269
01:39:55,060 --> 01:39:58,220
You know, and it stops before it gets that point of breaking and

1270
01:39:59,380 --> 01:40:06,160
What happens then is our guys have to go in there pull out all the waste and then find this object in there and unwedged

1271
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:09,420
And it's it's it's it's it's kind of a

1272
01:40:10,020 --> 01:40:10,400
Really

1273
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:12,260
unpleasant thing to do

1274
01:40:12,820 --> 01:40:13,380
so

1275
01:40:13,380 --> 01:40:18,900
This this is a it also causes quite a bit of downtime and production loss. So

1276
01:40:18,900 --> 01:40:24,800
You know what the real savings here is by doing this magnet is primarily

1277
01:40:25,060 --> 01:40:31,120
going to be in the form of maintenance and hoping to keep our teeth lasting longer and

1278
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:33,360
keep them from getting damaged.

1279
01:40:33,700 --> 01:40:38,980
When the system was first to put together, we did purchase the second set of teeth or

1280
01:40:38,980 --> 01:40:42,780
replacement sets so that when we did have to take them out, we could send them out.

1281
01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:46,120
We wouldn't be down until they got replaced or repaired.

1282
01:40:46,780 --> 01:40:51,920
So each set could be used about three or four times before replacing it really depends

1283
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:57,760
on how much wear and tear, you know, how long we've got to go for. But having the second set,

1284
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:04,060
it allows us to switch it out. We hope to get 18 to 24 months out of each set. We've got about

1285
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:10,840
15 months out of it. This is what a brand new or the fully edged surface is looked like. So you

1286
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:16,780
can see there's quite a difference between where we are and where we want to be. When we do the

1287
01:41:16,780 --> 01:41:23,360
the change out, you know, the last one we did was the cost of $23,218.

1288
01:41:24,180 --> 01:41:28,080
And that was for the cost of rebuilding, grinding off the hard base,

1289
01:41:28,340 --> 01:41:33,380
rebuilding it back up, and then grinding it down to the specifications needed for the shredder.

1290
01:41:33,580 --> 01:41:34,840
It also included freight.

1291
01:41:35,980 --> 01:41:42,680
That's after we received a 10% reduction on the cost of this, because we complained because it took so long, which was.

1292
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:46,140
I did a nice job, they did us right after that.

1293
01:41:46,940 --> 01:41:52,000
So when we do have to replace this, it takes two staff, three days, each one of these

1294
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:53,340
teeth weighs 130 pounds.

1295
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:58,860
So it's 31 teeth out and 31 teeth back in, so and then all the spacers that need to go

1296
01:41:58,860 --> 01:41:59,340
in there too.

1297
01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:04,740
The secondary aspect that I think will help to offset some of the cost here will be the

1298
01:42:04,740 --> 01:42:07,380
economic commodity value that we receive from the material.

1299
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:12,580
So every ton of steel that we remove from the waste stream will give us a, you know, depending

1300
01:42:12,580 --> 01:42:16,300
on the finding markets will give us a value of about $100 to $200 a ton.

1301
01:42:17,660 --> 01:42:21,920
And there's another aspect to that because every time that we're able to take

1302
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,860
out of the waste stream is also a ton that we don't pay for to suppose a lot.

1303
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:29,820
So it's not only commodity value, but it's avoided suppose a cost as well.

1304
01:42:30,380 --> 01:42:32,720
And of course, it gives us a better fuel quality.

1305
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:37,840
Now, I know I brought this up as an example, but it isn't the only type of steel

1306
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:38,980
that's being missed right now.

1307
01:42:38,980 --> 01:42:44,060
there's also smaller and medium sized pieces of steel that are in the same situation where they

1308
01:42:44,060 --> 01:42:51,240
get buried under the burden and they just not as easily extracted from the waste stream. So how

1309
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:56,540
do we pay for this? As you guys are aware, waste campus operations is an enterprise fund and it's

1310
01:42:56,540 --> 01:43:03,920
fully funded by user fees. The tip fees for our contractor haulers is $108 a ton and for a non-contracted

1311
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:05,900
it's $118 a ton.

1312
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,320
We also see funding from commodity sales

1313
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,540
and other disposal charges like, you know,

1314
01:43:11,700 --> 01:43:15,020
document destruction or problem material disposal,

1315
01:43:15,220 --> 01:43:18,000
tires, pre-end devices, things like that.

1316
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:22,400
So our fees cover the cost of MW processing and disposal.

1317
01:43:22,860 --> 01:43:24,700
Anything that we generate over and above

1318
01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:26,200
goes into our reserve funds.

1319
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:31,940
So at this time, we have about $721,000 in our reserve funds.

1320
01:43:31,940 --> 01:43:39,560
And a lot of that is from the actual cost of initially doing the murder, putting the

1321
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:41,960
murder together, it came in under budget.

1322
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:47,720
So we're really, we'd like to use some of that money that's in that budget in order to

1323
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:55,380
pay for a magnet that would help us to prolong our maintenance and make it so we don't have

1324
01:43:55,380 --> 01:43:56,160
due quite so much.

1325
01:43:56,420 --> 01:44:01,700
The idea is that when the material comes off of the feed here, the drum kind of pulls it

1326
01:44:01,700 --> 01:44:07,080
away from it, and then it drops it off on a shoot and away, and that goes into a roll

1327
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:13,200
out that's then taken for recycling. One of the reasons that I'm advocating for a drum

1328
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:18,480
magnet is because it's a very simple piece of it. You know, you're only dealing with two bearings to

1329
01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:24,400
change out. You know belt changes, if you look back here, it's a very tight space where we're going

1330
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:30,660
to put it. We're going to have to blow out that wall right there in this way in order to put a

1331
01:44:30,660 --> 01:44:35,340
shoot in and have it have the metal go into another area that we can recover at

1332
01:44:35,340 --> 01:44:39,980
then. So it really it's it's a tight area and you don't want to it's not very

1333
01:44:39,980 --> 01:44:41,940
conducive to putting a belt magnet up there.

1334
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:47,900
operationally I said it's going to cause fewer issues with jamming where a belt

1335
01:44:47,900 --> 01:44:52,320
magnet has to be right over the top of this of the waste stream. The drum can be

1336
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:57,980
kind of offset a little bit from there. And also drum magnets have a better stronger

1337
01:44:57,980 --> 01:44:59,720
Paul Marcos which is the

1338
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:08,600
The last thing about the drum magnet that we're looking at right now would also have an agitation

1339
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:16,660
setting to it, or feature to it, so that one material is pulled from the waste stream, shakes

1340
01:45:16,660 --> 01:45:22,000
a little bit to drop off some of that other stuff that may come along with it. So the

1341
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:28,400
cost assessment for this right now is based on a report that we had done by RT, which is

1342
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:32,520
our consultant for our maternity recovery facility,

1343
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,520
and it includes the cost of the engineer design,

1344
01:45:35,900 --> 01:45:38,160
the magnet purchase, the discharge shoot,

1345
01:45:38,660 --> 01:45:40,020
the steel structure and support,

1346
01:45:40,780 --> 01:45:41,820
the conveyor modifications,

1347
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:45,660
and of course the instillation and wiring,

1348
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:48,620
the mechanical and the electrical integration

1349
01:45:48,620 --> 01:45:51,200
into the system, and the cost we are estimating

1350
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:53,100
at about $303,000 dollars.

1351
01:45:54,900 --> 01:45:56,160
I'd just like to add one other thing,

1352
01:45:56,160 --> 01:46:01,080
And one of the reasons another reason that we are kind of meeting our teeth up a little

1353
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:05,820
bit quicker than we anticipated is we are getting more waste in than we had expected.

1354
01:46:06,440 --> 01:46:10,620
We had kind of thought that you know, we'd be doing pretty good if we got 3,000 tons

1355
01:46:10,620 --> 01:46:15,080
a month in June, we got 3,850 tons.

1356
01:46:15,460 --> 01:46:19,920
So a significant amount above where we've been kind of hoping to be.

1357
01:46:20,440 --> 01:46:23,220
So it's actually a very good thing for us.

1358
01:46:27,220 --> 01:46:27,540
Mike?

1359
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:31,620
I know and I had to tour you kind of explain this all to me.

1360
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:36,840
I think this is the optimum piece to go in here in this position.

1361
01:46:36,980 --> 01:46:39,520
I mean, if you're going to build a new plant, was this how you would do it?

1362
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:40,300
Or what are the other things?

1363
01:46:40,780 --> 01:46:41,740
How do I draw magnets all around?

1364
01:46:42,700 --> 01:46:45,120
If I had the choice, I would have drawn magnets.

1365
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:49,920
But one of the reasons we didn't do that is because we had pre-existing belt magnets in place.

1366
01:46:50,380 --> 01:46:51,500
So we went with those.

1367
01:46:51,940 --> 01:46:53,000
So this would be added.

1368
01:46:53,340 --> 01:46:57,180
It's just another way to grab more of that steel out of the waste stream.

1369
01:46:57,180 --> 01:46:59,300
And it's really a good choice for them.

1370
01:46:59,460 --> 01:47:02,220
So, new ports doing this, they're using, I mean, yeah.

1371
01:47:02,580 --> 01:47:02,700
Okay.

1372
01:47:03,380 --> 01:47:03,720
Yes, sir.

1373
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:08,000
Did you have a question?

1374
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:09,160
Dean?

1375
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:11,920
Well, I know exactly what you're talking about.

1376
01:47:13,460 --> 01:47:15,520
Drone magnets are far better than belt magnets.

1377
01:47:15,740 --> 01:47:18,840
I own a belt magnet, and while they did a good job,

1378
01:47:19,940 --> 01:47:22,020
I would have much preferred to have a drug magnet.

1379
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:25,700
The only question I have for you is, is this a permanent magnet,

1380
01:47:25,900 --> 01:47:26,660
or is this electric?

1381
01:47:27,540 --> 01:47:28,420
It's electromagnetic.

1382
01:47:28,420 --> 01:47:30,360
Okay, that's kind of what it's all.

1383
01:47:33,580 --> 01:47:34,140
Did you have something?

1384
01:47:35,060 --> 01:47:36,560
Yeah, I was just wondering how,

1385
01:47:40,580 --> 01:47:47,480
what do you think the extension on resurfacing the teeth would be with this item?

1386
01:47:47,860 --> 01:47:49,960
It's very highly variable.

1387
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:53,240
It's going to depend on how much material comes in.

1388
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,340
But just looking at how this is scored right here,

1389
01:47:57,540 --> 01:48:01,260
it took off a good chunk of it and on this side too.

1390
01:48:01,260 --> 01:48:06,560
so really you don't want the stuff in there and the more you could take out just

1391
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:11,640
the wear and tear is going to be highly beneficial over the long run of your

1392
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:12,080
equipment.

1393
01:48:14,930 --> 01:48:18,250
I think that coming out of the enterprise fund and you know staff

1394
01:48:18,250 --> 01:48:22,090
climbing up over those teeth to get things jammed out of there and your

1395
01:48:22,090 --> 01:48:25,910
downtime that seems incredible so. I know several guys I'd be very appreciative.

1396
01:48:29,810 --> 01:48:33,310
I appreciate the presentation in all the information I think it looks

1397
01:48:33,310 --> 01:48:36,490
It's like a really good plan, and I have the opportunity to bring my students out there

1398
01:48:36,490 --> 01:48:40,330
and toured a couple times myself, and it's a great, great sort of facility.

1399
01:48:40,590 --> 01:48:41,050
So thank you, Jeff.

1400
01:48:44,180 --> 01:48:49,440
That make a motion to authorize staff to solicit it's for the design purchase and installation

1401
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:54,000
of a drug, drug magnet for the removal of steel and the waste treatment.

1402
01:48:54,420 --> 01:48:54,740
Thank you.

1403
01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:58,320
Motion by Evan, second by Dean, all those in favor say aye.

1404
01:48:58,940 --> 01:48:59,040
Aye.

1405
01:48:59,560 --> 01:48:59,900
Any opposed?

1406
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:02,240
Thank you, Jeff.

1407
01:49:04,980 --> 01:49:08,340
I like it when you bring in show and tell objects, all right?

1408
01:49:10,140 --> 01:49:16,360
All right, our next item is item 10D. Consider motion to approve contribution to

1409
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:18,660
River City Days for special events.

1410
01:49:19,340 --> 01:49:20,780
Okay, do you want to lead us up on that one?

1411
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:24,940
Sure, first of all, I'd like to say that we have two ladies from the chamber here tonight,

1412
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:29,180
Laura Adalen and Michelle Larson, so if there's any questions they would be able to address

1413
01:49:29,180 --> 01:49:29,520
those.

1414
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:36,260
Last week, Council Member Brown and I got to meet with Michelle to talk about a family

1415
01:49:36,260 --> 01:49:38,660
event that they were looking for some assistance with.

1416
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:42,800
And we've done this in the past, although we didn't have money budgeted this year.

1417
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:48,300
So what we're asking the Council to do is take 5,000 out of contingency to support this event

1418
01:49:48,300 --> 01:49:48,840
this year.

1419
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:54,060
And I should say events because it's not necessarily all going to ATV.

1420
01:49:54,180 --> 01:49:57,140
It's kind of the package that they're putting together.

1421
01:49:57,140 --> 01:50:02,760
And then we would appreciate some feedback on whether you would like to put money in the budget for next year

1422
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:07,920
And if so we will put it in our draft budget and it'll come to the council for further discussion in August

1423
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:13,180
So there's two different things one we want action on and the other one is just direction

1424
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:17,470
Sure

1425
01:50:19,290 --> 01:50:27,770
Hey, you know, I think we've had some conversation with the the previous director of the chamber and it was good

1426
01:50:31,620 --> 01:50:37,460
meet the new leadership and kind of find out what was going on in those earlier

1427
01:50:37,460 --> 01:50:42,400
conversations I think we also were interested in trying to help out and I don't

1428
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:50,280
think we'd really put together a plan and I think a lot of what came out of our

1429
01:50:50,280 --> 01:51:01,900
conversation with Michelle was that you know it was a big hit from the previous year

1430
01:51:01,900 --> 01:51:10,140
not to have River City Days and it's a big deal to get it back up and running and I especially

1431
01:51:10,980 --> 01:51:17,400
applaud the Chamber for doing a lot of work because a lot of things have moved and changed

1432
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:26,180
and a lot has been on them and getting this event and also I think mentioning that

1433
01:51:26,180 --> 01:51:31,620
that Chamber directly has taken on the parade this year,

1434
01:51:31,900 --> 01:51:32,920
but I'm correct, right Michelle.

1435
01:51:34,220 --> 01:51:36,760
And that's, you know, it's a big deal on them

1436
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:40,280
and I think this will help enhance the event

1437
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:45,320
and given, you know, that coming out of COVID,

1438
01:51:45,740 --> 01:51:50,700
I think this is a good move for the community.

1439
01:51:51,740 --> 01:51:59,240
I also think as we talk that this is, you know, having some ability for some programming

1440
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:07,280
that we can drag in ways in the future that are family-oriented and create a greater

1441
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:16,160
attraction set to the River City Days is a good idea, so I guess we'll talk about that

1442
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:16,840
when we get there.

1443
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:28,180
I'm okay with this year but my concern is future years I'd like to at least for next year

1444
01:52:28,180 --> 01:52:32,820
I'd like to make sure that we have that discussion when we're having the budget discussion.

1445
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:38,460
You know after this has happened in September we still have two months before we're going

1446
01:52:38,460 --> 01:52:44,260
to prove the budget and I don't know where that's going to wind up this year so I think it's

1447
01:52:44,260 --> 01:52:50,040
a little premature to be talking about adding up 5,000 renewable funding

1448
01:52:52,380 --> 01:52:56,460
for the future we haven't had the whole budget discussion yet.

1449
01:52:56,680 --> 01:53:04,660
So I think it should be on our budget discussion, but not that's where I think that we really should be talking about it.

1450
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:13,160
So yeah, I have some real reservations about this. I'm not sure that I see the long-term

1451
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:18,120
benefit to the taxpayers from supporting this financially out of their, out of their

1452
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:26,000
tax dollars. And while I appreciate the in-kind support that the city provides to this event

1453
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:30,220
and I do believe that that is necessary for the success of the event and I support that.

1454
01:53:30,220 --> 01:53:42,770
I just I don't think that I support this financial support I just wanted to

1455
01:53:42,770 --> 01:53:49,390
bring to everyone's attention that in the potential recommendations from the

1456
01:53:49,390 --> 01:53:54,410
advisory team one of their top recommendations was to help make community

1457
01:53:54,410 --> 01:53:58,730
events more welcoming to and reflective of diverse residents so I would be

1458
01:53:58,730 --> 01:54:09,590
supportive of providing this funding to the Chamber with a strong recommendation that

1459
01:54:09,590 --> 01:54:14,750
be one of the focus points when they're considering what to spend that money on.

1460
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:19,320
I would agree with that.

1461
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:22,620
I think so I was a little bit surprised that we didn't have this budget because I think

1462
01:54:22,620 --> 01:54:28,800
in the past we had talked about a pool of money that we wanted to set aside for some events

1463
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:35,000
and it could be from the chamber, it could be from other entities that wanted to apply for

1464
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:41,160
a little extra above and beyond. I'm in agreement that this year I think it feels I think

1465
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:46,740
that our community does need an event, a family-oriented event, event I appreciate what that chamber did

1466
01:54:46,740 --> 01:54:53,360
and looking at this event and considering coming out of COVID and sort of starting over and

1467
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:56,000
and providing this for our community is great.

1468
01:54:56,180 --> 01:55:02,320
So I'm in support of this year, of supporting the $5,000, $5,000 for this year.

1469
01:55:02,980 --> 01:55:08,420
And then I too looked at what Aaron just mentioned with regards to the advisory teams priority,

1470
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:13,300
which was helping to make community events more welcoming to and reflective of diverse residents.

1471
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:19,320
And I think that this is an opportunity, I would like to see the $5,000 for next year.

1472
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:24,920
I'd like to see that in our budget, that doesn't mean that we can't work it out or have that conversation.

1473
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:27,800
But I would like that in our budget.

1474
01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:32,780
With the caveat that perhaps the advisory team if they would wish to take this up,

1475
01:55:33,180 --> 01:55:38,300
would maybe help us create how a policy or how some guidance to us could,

1476
01:55:38,780 --> 01:55:46,300
what that could look like so that community events that want to come and apply for special funding,

1477
01:55:46,300 --> 01:55:54,840
We have something in it that incentivizes that diverse residents are welcoming inclusivity

1478
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:56,300
and that makes that a priority.

1479
01:55:56,640 --> 01:56:00,640
So I think about a couple of years ago we had a gentleman here who was asking for some

1480
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:01,940
support for a fishing tournament.

1481
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:05,860
I would like to see, you know, in that case, in that example coming forward, it's saying,

1482
01:56:05,860 --> 01:56:10,900
hey, these are the things that we do to make sure that this event is inclusive.

1483
01:56:10,900 --> 01:56:15,700
We're asking for the support and that's part of our plan is to be intentional about

1484
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:25,760
changing systems and advancing us. So I'm in support of putting in that budget

1485
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:33,360
for our discussion when we come to it later on and then but then if the

1486
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:36,460
advisory team has some willingness to sort of give us some more feedback on

1487
01:56:36,460 --> 01:56:40,280
what that might look like. I do want to mention that I know especially in the

1488
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:43,980
case of the chamber that's scheduling a lot of these events are scheduled a

1489
01:56:43,980 --> 01:56:48,980
year in advance and so hopefully if they did that we can sort of manage that in a timely way.

1490
01:56:52,580 --> 01:56:54,340
Comments are going

1491
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:09,650
to break these into two perhaps this year and yeah

1492
01:57:17,010 --> 01:57:18,110
I mean I think that's

1493
01:57:18,110 --> 01:57:22,790
you know obviously where it seems like we want to go is to have that conversation at the

1494
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:28,280
budget it's a budget committee so I think that's appropriate.

1495
01:57:31,420 --> 01:57:34,560
Well I'm fine with it for this year

1496
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:41,380
They had to get a little bit more about it after it's done, so I'll make the motion to allocate

1497
01:57:41,380 --> 01:57:46,680
$5,000 from the general fund contingency account to support the Chamber of Commerce to enhance

1498
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:49,680
family events at River City Days.

1499
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:51,660
I'll second that.

1500
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:58,820
Okay, motion by Dean and a second by Evan, to allocate $5,000 in general on to support Chamber

1501
01:57:58,820 --> 01:58:01,760
of Commerce events for this year's event.

1502
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:06,960
So all those in favor say aye aye any post nay

1503
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:08,700
Can we

1504
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:15,600
have that conversation though? Okay, I mean it's something everybody's comfortable

1505
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:22,860
We really should be talking about that as the budget gets not in the road. Yeah, when we say that we want to have that on or not

1506
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:25,500
I'm sorry would you say

1507
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:31,400
We need to have that discussion at a budget meeting yes, that's 5,000

1508
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:33,780
Very similar what we did with

1509
01:58:36,490 --> 01:58:41,190
Fishing tournaments and all the other ones that we we had that discussion just

1510
01:58:44,710 --> 01:58:47,470
to be clear that I'm just gonna go ahead and make the motion

1511
01:58:47,470 --> 01:58:49,790
I'm gonna make a motion to approve

1512
01:58:50,570 --> 01:58:53,290
To direct staff to add the 5,000 into the draft

1513
01:58:53,290 --> 01:59:02,130
of the 2022 budget to me to will have the city to invest in family events that will strengthen the 2022 river to be easy

1514
01:59:02,130 --> 01:59:04,050
And then I think that I'll just make that motion

1515
01:59:11,490 --> 01:59:14,050
All those in favour say aye.

1516
01:59:14,410 --> 01:59:15,990
Any opposed?

1517
01:59:18,390 --> 01:59:18,530
Great.

1518
01:59:20,290 --> 01:59:25,470
Maybe that will help with timing if the advisory team wants to take that up too.

1519
01:59:27,350 --> 01:59:27,570
Okay.

1520
01:59:27,870 --> 01:59:30,630
That brings us up to item 10E.

1521
01:59:31,370 --> 01:59:37,130
motion to consider a motion to introduce ordinance number 165, limiting the size of the arts

1522
01:59:37,130 --> 01:59:38,170
and culture commission.

1523
01:59:44,900 --> 01:59:47,100
Do you want to open us up with that or is that Michelle?

1524
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:51,540
I can give you a little bit of background.

1525
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:58,820
So our arts and culture commission was originally created and they had a minimum number of members

1526
01:59:58,820 --> 01:59:59,520
set at nine.

1527
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
And the mayor's added a few people this year, and they have a little bit of a concern about getting too big. So they felt like there should be a range like we have in most boards and commissions. So they talked about it at the last meeting, and they came back with a recommendation to limit the maximum number to 11. And you'll see that they have a language in there that says up to two members can be residents of Goodview County, Goodview or Pierce County instead of just city residents. And then they also talk about having a student member.

1528
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:34,100
So that is the recommendation coming from the Arts Culture Commission.

1529
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:38,660
Go ahead.

1530
02:00:38,860 --> 02:00:39,440
I have one.

1531
02:00:41,820 --> 02:00:45,280
We currently do not have any voting student members.

1532
02:00:45,700 --> 02:00:45,920
Correct.

1533
02:00:46,380 --> 02:00:47,860
Then we go through this whole thing once.

1534
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:49,900
We went through this multiple times.

1535
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:55,260
But this Arts and Culture language was approved with that one voting student member.

1536
02:00:55,620 --> 02:00:56,140
Okay.

1537
02:00:56,340 --> 02:01:02,320
So I just want to make sure this is legal because that was the question that was always brought up.

1538
02:01:03,580 --> 02:01:06,840
They're not legal to vote where they voted on a board or a commission.

1539
02:01:07,620 --> 02:01:09,180
So can we get that answered?

1540
02:01:10,900 --> 02:01:13,020
Because that's been the-

1541
02:01:13,020 --> 02:01:16,800
I mean, it's an advisory commission, it really, you know, they're making recommendations.

1542
02:01:17,380 --> 02:01:22,720
So yeah, if you wanted to allow a minor to vote on an advisory committee, you could do so.

1543
02:01:24,100 --> 02:01:24,540
Remember

1544
02:01:27,230 --> 02:01:30,230
that being explained before, but I know it's been brought up before.

1545
02:01:30,230 --> 02:01:37,630
So I asked the exact same question, and I went back and looked at the video, and then

1546
02:01:38,150 --> 02:01:42,710
I didn't do any more research because in the video, we just approved it, and so I don't

1547
02:01:42,710 --> 02:01:43,690
know at what point it changed.

1548
02:01:43,890 --> 02:01:49,970
I stopped doing research at that point, but that was exactly one of my things that I brought

1549
02:01:49,970 --> 02:01:52,670
up to, and reached out to staff, and got a little bit more clarification.

1550
02:01:53,290 --> 02:01:57,570
We have very few boards that have youth positions, and it is the only one that is written in there

1551
02:01:57,570 --> 02:01:58,390
as a voting member.

1552
02:01:58,390 --> 02:02:03,630
I remember some of the conversation that we were going to ask if the youth council wanted

1553
02:02:03,630 --> 02:02:09,450
to dive a little bit deeper into this and so I know that we did that second question.

1554
02:02:09,550 --> 02:02:12,050
Yeah, and I think it's been COVID.

1555
02:02:12,190 --> 02:02:13,330
And our work's done, yeah.

1556
02:02:14,310 --> 02:02:18,150
And so I would really sort of challenge that maybe Laura, this is something that you want

1557
02:02:18,150 --> 02:02:25,650
to ask the youth commission, if they would be willing to sort of look into if they could

1558
02:02:25,650 --> 02:02:30,030
to fit that into the work plan and have an interest to fit into that and we could be consistent.

1559
02:02:30,930 --> 02:02:35,870
We can bring this back up and decide if we wanted to change that writing in there or just

1560
02:02:35,870 --> 02:02:40,330
hold it as it is until we're not going to take action on it tonight because that's not

1561
02:02:40,330 --> 02:02:47,230
what our agenda item is but do we want to have staffs bring something else to us with

1562
02:02:47,230 --> 02:02:52,070
removing it or just hold it until we get a report from the Youth Commission?

1563
02:02:52,070 --> 02:02:52,910
I

1564
02:02:55,700 --> 02:03:02,340
think on one level, if you want to be consistent, you want to be consistent, and so

1565
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:06,920
I guess

1566
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:12,920
I would argue, even though it might be that we let it sail through without thinking about

1567
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:19,360
it, that maybe we reconsider that and let them have a bite at that.

1568
02:03:20,540 --> 02:03:20,660
Yeah.

1569
02:03:21,200 --> 02:03:22,260
It means dinner up to you.

1570
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:23,520
You want to finish?

1571
02:03:23,680 --> 02:03:23,760
Yes.

1572
02:03:24,180 --> 02:03:24,580
Thank you.

1573
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:31,040
I just found an email headwritten to staff a while back about the HRC and whether HRC members

1574
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:32,060
under 18 could vote.

1575
02:03:33,700 --> 02:03:37,800
And what I had stated was that the city's board and commission policy currently states

1576
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:42,680
youth under the age of 18 may serve in a non-voting advisory status, neither the charter

1577
02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:49,140
nor city code address the students or age of members in any other context, so that policy

1578
02:03:49,140 --> 02:03:53,440
should be changed if you're going to allow students under the age of 18 to vote.

1579
02:03:53,440 --> 02:04:00,700
So, like I said, this was a advisory committee, so it's a matter of policy for the city,

1580
02:04:00,840 --> 02:04:04,540
whether you want to allow individuals under the age of 18 to vote.

1581
02:04:06,860 --> 02:04:11,880
That's what I found too, in the Board of Commission policy that we last adopted in February

1582
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:13,160
of 2020.

1583
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:17,880
It clearly states that advisory positions and its label of student advisory are non-voting.

1584
02:04:18,420 --> 02:04:20,700
Is there currently a student on the Arts and Culture Commission?

1585
02:04:20,700 --> 02:04:26,660
So I think that we would direct staff maybe to come back and strike that language until

1586
02:04:26,660 --> 02:04:31,200
we have this sorted out, but it's a voting position that we could still have a youth

1587
02:04:33,180 --> 02:04:38,340
up to one student member, advisory student member, but strike voting and bring that back

1588
02:04:38,340 --> 02:04:38,960
to us.

1589
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:40,300
That's what we've got.

1590
02:04:40,300 --> 02:04:41,060
You know, that discussion.

1591
02:04:41,940 --> 02:04:46,380
Part of this too in my research going back is that there was, I believe, a recommendation

1592
02:04:46,380 --> 02:04:49,320
from the HRC to have two voting members.

1593
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:52,620
I don't remember ever seeing that or receiving that.

1594
02:04:52,980 --> 02:04:54,640
Is there any recollection of that?

1595
02:04:55,500 --> 02:04:56,880
Because I found out in the records.

1596
02:04:58,280 --> 02:04:59,360
I think that's true.

1597
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:01,640
I think that's true.

1598
02:05:01,640 --> 02:05:02,280
I'm excited to recommendation.

1599
02:05:02,940 --> 02:05:05,100
And then it's, where is it?

1600
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:08,300
It's currently sitting out in the ether waiting

1601
02:05:08,300 --> 02:05:09,980
for the Youth Commission to take it up.

1602
02:05:14,350 --> 02:05:15,350
Hopefully that will be inspired

1603
02:05:15,350 --> 02:05:16,150
than to take it on us.

1604
02:05:16,350 --> 02:05:18,150
But how is the exciting work of policy?

1605
02:05:18,150 --> 02:05:18,890
All

1606
02:05:21,610 --> 02:05:34,050
right. So the item at hand is a maximum number of up to a maximum of 11. That is the word change we're looking at tonight adding the language and a maximum of 11.

1607
02:05:35,570 --> 02:05:41,950
First question I have is what happens if we don't have the minimum.

1608
02:05:41,950 --> 02:05:42,650
If

1609
02:05:45,020 --> 02:05:49,640
we don't have nine members, we talked about that a little bit today.

1610
02:05:50,060 --> 02:05:53,740
I know that in the past, our practice has been, for instance, on the charter commission.

1611
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:57,720
We've had years where we didn't have the minimum number, but we have still met.

1612
02:05:58,620 --> 02:06:02,220
So we asked Amy today to give us some legal comment on that.

1613
02:06:02,300 --> 02:06:07,360
I don't have that yet, so we will provide that as soon as we have it, but that's been our

1614
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:07,720
practice.

1615
02:06:08,900 --> 02:06:15,180
It seems to me that it might be wise to set that number lower in case and then it need

1616
02:06:15,180 --> 02:06:22,780
be raised it. I mean it nine seems like if there is an issue why even hit the wall right

1617
02:06:22,780 --> 02:06:30,200
like nine. If you only have nine to eleven you don't have a much wiggle room. So I would

1618
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:31,520
prefer we set it lower.

1619
02:06:37,490 --> 02:06:40,390
And I haven't had a chance to look into that question that came

1620
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:44,870
to me today about the minimum. I mean I'm looked at your boards and commission policy to see whether

1621
02:06:44,870 --> 02:06:49,810
that addresses it at all. Typically if you say there needs to be a minimum, there needs to be a minimum

1622
02:06:49,810 --> 02:06:55,750
for that committee to operate. Obviously you can have a quorum of appointed people that is less than

1623
02:06:55,750 --> 02:07:02,050
that number who attend a particular meeting but it begs the question as to why is there a minimum set

1624
02:07:03,070 --> 02:07:05,310
if you're not meeting that minimum number.

1625
02:07:07,630 --> 02:07:09,850
Before we change it, I would like more

1626
02:07:09,850 --> 02:07:14,090
clarification, because that's sort of what I feel like I'm hearing is, let's say that

1627
02:07:14,090 --> 02:07:20,170
the minimum is in the case of this nine and we had eight members. We would use nine

1628
02:07:20,170 --> 02:07:25,570
as the threshold for our quorum, so in the past we have allowed them to meet at five.

1629
02:07:25,870 --> 02:07:30,690
That's been past practice, though. And again, these are advisory committees.

1630
02:07:31,010 --> 02:07:35,270
I think you guys could set the policy the way you would like it to be, meaning if it falls

1631
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:40,990
below the minimum the committee can continue to meet but what I meant when I was talking

1632
02:07:40,990 --> 02:07:45,830
is that if you say it's a minimum of nine people so a quorum is five so the committee

1633
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:50,270
has nine people appointed one just happens to be absent you have a quorum you go ahead

1634
02:07:50,270 --> 02:07:54,910
and meet but if you ever fall below the nine that's where it begs the question as what

1635
02:07:54,910 --> 02:07:59,150
happens then and so it would be good to have if it's not already addressed in the boards

1636
02:07:59,150 --> 02:08:04,050
and commissions policy which it may not be it would be good to address that or as council

1637
02:08:04,050 --> 02:08:08,530
Councilmember Brown, pointed out, makes sense to me that you would shoot for a number

1638
02:08:08,530 --> 02:08:14,630
that you felt would be easy to attain as a minimum, and then still have a maximum.

1639
02:08:15,890 --> 02:08:22,630
And I would just add the charter commission is a unique entity that likely has its own

1640
02:08:22,630 --> 02:08:30,550
considerations because it is a statutory, statutorily created commission rather than advisory commission

1641
02:08:30,550 --> 02:08:31,510
that the council creates.

1642
02:08:31,510 --> 02:08:41,690
And again, I mean, for me, I just think there's to put a minimum and then create a bunch

1643
02:08:41,690 --> 02:08:45,710
of language to define what happens when you don't need a minimum because the minimum

1644
02:08:45,710 --> 02:08:46,510
is too high.

1645
02:08:47,110 --> 02:08:49,770
I would just rather avoid that whole process altogether.

1646
02:08:50,370 --> 02:08:54,650
I just set a loan over and then you don't even have to create a policy necessarily.

1647
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:58,890
To me, that would be a much cleaner way of operating.

1648
02:09:01,970 --> 02:09:05,610
either way you're talking about either five for a quorum or six.

1649
02:09:07,650 --> 02:09:13,090
Well, if Evan suggests you, in his example, if you lowered it to five as the minimum,

1650
02:09:13,630 --> 02:09:15,370
you would then have three that could run the meeting.

1651
02:09:16,770 --> 02:09:19,130
Because it would be a quorum. You'd have five members.

1652
02:09:19,670 --> 02:09:21,550
You might have the member status, you'd be able to hold a meeting,

1653
02:09:21,710 --> 02:09:23,850
and you'd be able to hold a meeting if two were absent.

1654
02:09:26,150 --> 02:09:27,370
That sounds awfully low.

1655
02:09:28,130 --> 02:09:33,890
I don't know the, yeah, seven, that's what the rest of our boards are set at, pretty much,

1656
02:09:34,010 --> 02:09:35,830
or most of them are at seven members.

1657
02:09:38,250 --> 02:09:42,050
So we're actually going to be talking about that, and I think that's the minimum should

1658
02:09:42,050 --> 02:09:52,680
be seven, and go from there, but because that way, you still need four, it's the same with

1659
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:58,140
what we've had to deal with up here, is we've had four members that was the core of them.

1660
02:10:01,100 --> 02:10:01,600
I

1661
02:10:04,730 --> 02:10:11,250
would prefer not to change the minimum until we hear from the Arts and Culture Commission

1662
02:10:11,250 --> 02:10:16,490
because I think that argument is that perhaps you have a high minimum because you say want

1663
02:10:16,490 --> 02:10:21,870
to make sure we have some representation of the body of the community of the city before

1664
02:10:21,870 --> 02:10:22,910
we're going to do the work.

1665
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:30,770
And I mean the unfortunate circumstance might be that they don't meet and they don't get

1666
02:10:30,770 --> 02:10:39,450
We have it low enough that you can still get a diverse voice and you can still do the work, but maybe having it high enough that you have the representation.

1667
02:10:39,830 --> 02:10:47,230
So I would prefer to send it to them and have them have that discussion and make a recommendation back to us on their min and max if they want to change it.

1668
02:10:47,650 --> 02:10:48,890
That's actually a good idea.

1669
02:10:52,730 --> 02:10:58,990
So we could table this item and send it back to the HRC or excuse me for the Arts and Culture Commission.

1670
02:10:58,990 --> 02:11:03,810
Table this item, send it back to the Arts and Culture Commission and hear from them if they would like to

1671
02:11:04,530 --> 02:11:10,190
Change them in Macs and then we can address the student voting issue at a future date

1672
02:11:15,130 --> 02:11:19,390
Table do we just take no action then tonight no action on it and

1673
02:11:20,010 --> 02:11:20,710
Ask for their

1674
02:11:26,690 --> 02:11:28,250
Sometimes little things are

1675
02:11:28,970 --> 02:11:29,890
Little details

1676
02:11:30,410 --> 02:11:36,550
It brings us to item 10 F consider action related to recall petition and receive like received for council member

1677
02:11:36,550 --> 02:11:41,710
I have a couple of, we'll sign up for this, but I will start.

1678
02:11:43,250 --> 02:11:46,770
K, do you want to add anything on behalf of Terry to this as we introduce this item?

1679
02:11:47,710 --> 02:11:48,050
Not really.

1680
02:11:48,250 --> 02:11:52,470
I think it's very similar to the process that we went through the first time around.

1681
02:11:52,910 --> 02:11:59,690
The city clerk did go through all the petitions and did determine that it met that 20% minimum

1682
02:11:59,690 --> 02:12:05,790
requirement, and so she put together a staff report basically offering two recommendations

1683
02:12:05,790 --> 02:12:07,850
to the council similar to the last time.

1684
02:12:08,710 --> 02:12:10,730
And I believe Terry is maybe on as well.

1685
02:12:10,930 --> 02:12:13,810
So Terry, if you are on and you want to chime in remotely

1686
02:12:13,810 --> 02:12:15,550
at any point, feel free to do that.

1687
02:12:16,650 --> 02:12:19,070
And with that, I will start with the first person

1688
02:12:19,070 --> 02:12:21,290
who has signed up to speak on this item.

1689
02:12:22,150 --> 02:12:22,790
Mike Montgomery.

1690
02:12:28,780 --> 02:12:30,800
And I'm not sure if I did the first time when you were up,

1691
02:12:30,820 --> 02:12:31,860
but if you would state your name

1692
02:12:31,860 --> 02:12:34,880
and either your neighborhood or your ward or your address.

1693
02:12:35,180 --> 02:12:37,120
I believe I did state that Mike Montgomery

1694
02:12:37,120 --> 02:12:42,860
the red wing citizen ward two, old Buchanan, neighborhood, old fairgrounds, New Jefferson,

1695
02:12:43,580 --> 02:12:44,460
what else do you want?

1696
02:12:46,020 --> 02:12:47,240
Thank you again for the opportunity to speak.

1697
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:53,000
I just want to respectfully request that my three minutes be given to Mr. Greg Joseph

1698
02:12:53,620 --> 02:12:55,420
when he chooses to speak.

1699
02:12:56,440 --> 02:12:59,260
I believe there's precedence for that that's happened before.

1700
02:12:59,620 --> 02:13:02,280
I was at a meeting where that did take place.

1701
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:12,100
On occasion, I've seen couples come up and sort of share their minutes, but in this case the public comment is for one individual for three minutes.

1702
02:13:13,240 --> 02:13:26,340
I think that there's precedence of it happening before or somebody was speaking and then they're timing out and someone else that was given three minutes said I'm going to give my time to that person and stood here with them.

1703
02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:31,140
So if you need to come up here, when he comes up here I'll come and stand with him and give him my three minutes.

1704
02:13:31,140 --> 02:13:31,980
The

1705
02:13:51,500 --> 02:13:56,560
city attorney isn't even, isn't signed up for this item or your attorney excuse me, isn't signed up for this item?

1706
02:13:59,540 --> 02:14:01,480
Is it in an email? Okay.

1707
02:14:03,200 --> 02:14:11,000
We talked on the phone today and he, I told him he had three minutes under public comment but it does make sense it's under this item because it's on this item.

1708
02:14:11,380 --> 02:14:11,880
Yeah. Okay.

1709
02:14:12,100 --> 02:14:12,340
Okay.

1710
02:14:17,540 --> 02:14:18,820
I'll add additional time.

1711
02:14:19,180 --> 02:14:20,280
Six minutes will work.

1712
02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:21,200
That's fine.

1713
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:22,140
Thank you.

1714
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:22,660
Thank you.

1715
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:23,080
All right.

1716
02:14:23,780 --> 02:14:26,500
Next person on the item is Deborah Patner.

1717
02:14:33,960 --> 02:14:34,300
Good evening.

1718
02:14:34,780 --> 02:14:35,880
I'm from Rochester, Minnesota.

1719
02:14:36,580 --> 02:14:37,640
Why am I here, you asked?

1720
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:40,420
Because I believe in standing up for doing what's right.

1721
02:14:41,400 --> 02:14:45,160
And I'm going to also yield my time to Greg Joseph

1722
02:14:45,160 --> 02:14:49,800
because I feel that he'll help convey our ideas better.

1723
02:14:50,060 --> 02:14:50,780
Thank you.

1724
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:51,660
Thank you.

1725
02:14:57,480 --> 02:14:59,900
Alright, the next person who has signed up is Todd Spinner.

1726
02:15:09,580 --> 02:15:15,380
My name is Todd Spinner. I live in Ward 1. We wish to drive. I also want to yield my time,

1727
02:15:17,860 --> 02:15:18,020
Mr.

1728
02:15:20,730 --> 02:15:23,090
Joseph. Yeah. Thank you.

1729
02:15:27,900 --> 02:15:30,320
Okay, next person who is signed up is Andrea Batchek.

1730
02:15:39,470 --> 02:15:44,890
Hi, I'm Andrea Batchek. I'm in Ward 1. I live in Red Wing. And I am going to speak tonight.

1731
02:15:47,340 --> 02:15:57,760
I want to say thank you to members of the council mayor and everyone who's here tonight. You've got to know when to hold them. No one to fold them. No one to walk away.

1732
02:15:58,440 --> 02:16:02,700
and no one to run. You never count your money when you're sitting at the table.

1733
02:16:03,180 --> 02:16:05,940
There'll be time enough for counting when the deal is done.

1734
02:16:06,540 --> 02:16:07,520
It was sung by Kenny Rogers.

1735
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:11,880
I remember listening to this song as a kid in the barn at our dairy farm

1736
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:14,840
where my dad's old Ford truck with a four on the floor.

1737
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:18,080
The reason I use the lyrics of this song are twofold.

1738
02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:22,020
One, I hope it helps me calm the nerves I know I'll have when I speak.

1739
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:27,700
And two, I hope it will help convey in simple terms and language what my purpose is.

1740
02:16:27,700 --> 02:16:33,660
for speaking tonight. When I went out canvassing for the recall group, I was met with three words

1741
02:16:34,440 --> 02:16:39,820
from those who were willing to speak with me either for or against. Confusion,

1742
02:16:40,280 --> 02:16:46,020
disgust, and frustration. I echoed their thoughts and sentiments and we shared our viewpoints,

1743
02:16:46,480 --> 02:16:52,340
sometimes different and opposing with each other. However, many people were eager to sign.

1744
02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:57,120
many people are paying attention and those that are paying attention want

1745
02:16:57,120 --> 02:16:57,540
change.

1746
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:03,460
The reason these people want change brings me to the one word I was

1747
02:17:03,460 --> 02:17:09,400
left with upon talking with people in our community and that is hope. So have

1748
02:17:09,400 --> 02:17:13,840
hope, Red Wing. The decision is coming back to the people where it always should

1749
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:18,640
have been. And in closing to our recalled members, I'll leave you with this. You

1750
02:17:18,640 --> 02:17:21,720
never count your money when you're sitting at the table. There'll be time

1751
02:17:21,720 --> 02:17:24,740
enough for counting when the deal is done. Thank you.

1752
02:17:32,460 --> 02:17:33,660
Next person I sign up is Siri.

1753
02:17:34,140 --> 02:17:34,360
I've read.

1754
02:17:40,490 --> 02:17:44,870
Welcome. Hello. I'm gonna try to get that right. I'm a little on

1755
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:50,150
the short side. All right so my name is Siri Everett and I'm a resident of Ward 2

1756
02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:56,250
and I actually am gonna use my three minutes. I decided to speak tonight not

1757
02:17:56,250 --> 02:18:00,850
because I wanted to but because I felt I needed to. Over the past several months

1758
02:18:00,850 --> 02:18:06,810
the recall group has been trying to circumvent our town's democratic election results.

1759
02:18:07,370 --> 02:18:14,310
We voted in both in 2018 and 2020, and these council members right here were duly elected

1760
02:18:14,310 --> 02:18:20,710
some overwhelmingly. It's my opinion that these petitions have been holding our town hostage

1761
02:18:20,710 --> 02:18:27,010
for months now. I also believe that they will continue to do so unless we stop them here tonight.

1762
02:18:27,010 --> 02:18:32,390
The truth is, many in the group wanted to be in local government, but failed.

1763
02:18:33,470 --> 02:18:36,250
This needs to be said and emphasized for all to hear.

1764
02:18:37,350 --> 02:18:41,130
Several of the recall members they ran for city government.

1765
02:18:42,070 --> 02:18:42,770
They're here.

1766
02:18:43,550 --> 02:18:48,390
What's disappointing is that they're using alleged open meeting law violations as a front

1767
02:18:48,390 --> 02:18:52,030
for what this is really about, sour grapes, political ambition.

1768
02:18:52,030 --> 02:18:57,410
decision. Just like those trying to overturn the election results this last November, this

1769
02:18:57,410 --> 02:19:02,030
recall group cannot be trusted. They cannot be trusted to make decisions for the best of

1770
02:19:02,030 --> 02:19:07,070
all citizens, nor to make decisions with our local government. They're dishonest behavior

1771
02:19:07,950 --> 02:19:16,610
and lack of thoroughness and, frankly, it's given us proof of what they're really about.

1772
02:19:17,230 --> 02:19:24,550
The good news for Red Wing is that our City Council is prepared to lead and they have my full support. Dean, you have my full support.

1773
02:19:25,010 --> 02:19:30,490
It's time to move on so we can get back to more pressing business. Please vote no on this recall. Thank you.

1774
02:19:42,750 --> 02:19:46,150
Thank you, Siri. Patricia, Ellen, to join your sign up again.

1775
02:19:51,010 --> 02:19:57,610
I come from ward two, live in ward two, in answer to what I just heard.

1776
02:19:57,890 --> 02:20:04,710
I have to say to just diminish the concerns of the citizens and their concerns of how

1777
02:20:04,710 --> 02:20:12,950
people have conducted themselves on this council and treated the general public in responsiveness

1778
02:20:12,950 --> 02:20:16,410
to questions and explanations and open meetings.

1779
02:20:17,130 --> 02:20:18,370
These are serious things.

1780
02:20:18,370 --> 02:20:20,650
So that's some frivolous thing that doesn't matter.

1781
02:20:20,890 --> 02:20:25,960
Has nothing to do with an election in the beginning of the year.

1782
02:20:26,060 --> 02:20:29,920
It has nothing to do with an outside of what's going on here.

1783
02:20:30,100 --> 02:20:31,020
What's going on here?

1784
02:20:31,260 --> 02:20:35,440
She raised everybody's eye and get their attention.

1785
02:20:35,660 --> 02:20:40,560
This is a legitimate attempt at recoil and to hold people responsible

1786
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:44,340
for what they've been doing, saying, failing to do, covering up,

1787
02:20:44,660 --> 02:20:46,940
not answering, and neglecting.

1788
02:20:46,940 --> 02:20:58,540
with regards to the general public and their desires and needs and their most of all the desire to want to participate and be heard and be considered part of a legitimate conversation.

1789
02:20:59,240 --> 02:21:02,320
And you have failed us in that and that's what this is about.

1790
02:21:03,080 --> 02:21:03,820
Thank you.

1791
02:21:11,210 --> 02:21:12,950
Teresa Bjornstead, your sign up next.

1792
02:21:23,740 --> 02:21:24,400
Good evening.

1793
02:21:24,680 --> 02:21:24,900
Welcome.

1794
02:21:25,500 --> 02:21:25,920
Thank you.

1795
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:35,600
My name is Trees, T-E-R-E-S-E, Bjornstead, B-J-O-R-N-S-T-A-D, and I live in the Hype Park

1796
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:37,140
neighborhood here in Red Wing.

1797
02:21:37,580 --> 02:21:37,800
Thank you.

1798
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:46,940
First of all, according to our city charter, if there has been malfeasance or non-feasance,

1799
02:21:47,780 --> 02:21:54,460
if an elected official is committed malfeasance or non-feasance, then yes, citizens may form a committee,

1800
02:21:54,460 --> 02:22:00,700
and petition for a recall election, that is true.

1801
02:22:01,780 --> 02:22:08,440
What is not true is the malfeasance and non-feasance that the council is being accused of.

1802
02:22:09,220 --> 02:22:22,120
Any other issues, grievances, individual questions or problems that citizens have with the City Council are more appropriately dealt with in November of 2022

1803
02:22:22,120 --> 02:22:24,060
you when we have another election.

1804
02:22:26,210 --> 02:22:27,670
You have done nothing wrong.

1805
02:22:28,830 --> 02:22:34,350
You continue to do nothing wrong, and just because people don't like what you say or do

1806
02:22:34,350 --> 02:22:38,170
or disagree with decisions you make doesn't mean you get to kick them out.

1807
02:22:39,150 --> 02:22:47,370
So I would ask you to please vote no on the issue of a special election to recall Dean Hove.

1808
02:22:48,050 --> 02:22:50,790
It's time for this ridiculousness to end.

1809
02:22:50,790 --> 02:22:52,890
And thank you for your service.

1810
02:22:53,590 --> 02:22:54,690
And thank you for your time.

1811
02:23:05,830 --> 02:23:08,510
Freeze, the next person who is signed up is Tom Wilder.

1812
02:23:08,890 --> 02:23:10,890
I'm going to see my time at Greg Joseph.

1813
02:23:11,370 --> 02:23:11,730
Thank you.

1814
02:23:12,530 --> 02:23:12,670
All right.

1815
02:23:13,570 --> 02:23:14,650
Greg Joseph, welcome.

1816
02:23:18,970 --> 02:23:19,490
Thank you.

1817
02:23:21,110 --> 02:23:22,590
Thanks for letting me speak tonight.

1818
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:28,730
My name is Greg Joseph and I represent the Recall Committee over here.

1819
02:23:29,330 --> 02:23:32,090
What I'm doing here tonight is I'm trying to stop you

1820
02:23:32,090 --> 02:23:34,930
for making a terrible mistake.

1821
02:23:36,020 --> 02:23:40,890
This would be a very large and unnecessarily costly mistake.

1822
02:23:42,490 --> 02:23:45,930
Now, you're very fortunate to have such an involved city here.

1823
02:23:47,270 --> 02:23:49,790
Most folks don't care what their city council does

1824
02:23:49,790 --> 02:23:56,170
or even know, but support for the city's city council

1825
02:23:56,170 --> 02:23:59,910
is not the same thing as denying the voters

1826
02:23:59,910 --> 02:24:01,970
the right to an election.

1827
02:24:04,040 --> 02:24:08,720
The recall election must be held. It is not discretionary.

1828
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:14,580
Cheering you on while you deny this right is not the same as support.

1829
02:24:17,220 --> 02:24:18,040
Voters have every

1830
02:24:18,040 --> 02:24:25,280
right to support whoever they chose at the ballot box, and make their voices loudly heard,

1831
02:24:25,980 --> 02:24:27,960
at the recall election.

1832
02:24:30,230 --> 02:24:34,370
The language in 6.15 is unambiguous and it cannot be ignored.

1833
02:24:34,870 --> 02:24:38,990
you shall direct the election to be held, period.

1834
02:24:39,750 --> 02:24:43,430
It is not your decision to decide whether mouth reasons has been committed here or not.

1835
02:24:45,780 --> 02:24:48,800
Recall is a power reserve for the voters under the city charter.

1836
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:53,400
This power is not to be doled out at the discretion of the city council.

1837
02:24:55,700 --> 02:24:59,740
If you don't like the recall, excuse me,

1838
02:25:00,220 --> 02:25:01,740
you don't like the recall provision in the charter,

1839
02:25:02,140 --> 02:25:04,540
then you can try to amend the charter and delete it.

1840
02:25:04,540 --> 02:25:07,420
But while it's there, you've got to play by the same rules as it would be else.

1841
02:25:09,580 --> 02:25:15,480
Now, your current position is that the conduct of various council members does not rise to the level of malfeasance,

1842
02:25:15,780 --> 02:25:18,100
fine, you may be correct about that,

1843
02:25:20,700 --> 02:25:22,820
but you have to hold the election to find out.

1844
02:25:23,720 --> 02:25:27,060
Because you see this has been litigated before in this state,

1845
02:25:29,680 --> 02:25:30,280
and lost.

1846
02:25:32,980 --> 02:25:36,640
The holding of the Court in that case was that the election must be held.

1847
02:25:36,640 --> 02:25:49,260
And only if the council member loses the recall election, can that person challenge the removal from office by claiming that their conduct does not rise to the level of malfeasance?

1848
02:25:50,300 --> 02:25:53,200
You don't get to stop the election before it's done.

1849
02:25:53,900 --> 02:25:57,360
If you lose, you can challenge the malfeasance determination.

1850
02:25:57,980 --> 02:26:00,880
I'd be happy to provide the citations to the city attorney as well.

1851
02:26:02,400 --> 02:26:07,180
I urge this body to very carefully consider the next steps that you take tonight.

1852
02:26:08,060 --> 02:26:15,240
The cost of an election is real, but it would pale in comparison to the cost of litigating

1853
02:26:15,240 --> 02:26:16,140
this matter in the courts.

1854
02:26:17,460 --> 02:26:21,160
Now I understand the passions have been running very high here since the election.

1855
02:26:22,220 --> 02:26:26,600
I also understand that the names and addresses of the signers of the petition have been posted

1856
02:26:26,600 --> 02:26:33,160
on an Internet site for everybody to see for what legitimate purpose I have no

1857
02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:39,120
idea but the way to solve this problem is not to deny an election that you're

1858
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:46,340
legally required to hold. I'm urging you to do your duty under the charter.

1859
02:26:49,620 --> 02:26:49,720
This

1860
02:26:49,720 --> 02:26:54,540
doesn't have to be decided tonight now. Take it up again in a couple of weeks. Take

1861
02:26:54,540 --> 02:26:58,480
it up again in a month. Don't you think it's worth it to be certain about this

1862
02:26:58,480 --> 02:27:07,820
before you take this next step, because you're setting a process in motion that will cost not only taxpayer money, but public trust.

1863
02:27:09,580 --> 02:27:10,340
What's that worth?

1864
02:27:14,310 --> 02:27:18,930
I urge you not to do this, folks. Don't make the terrible and costly mistake you're about to make.

1865
02:27:31,210 --> 02:27:33,690
Anyone else sign up for a public comment on this item?

1866
02:27:37,930 --> 02:27:38,890
What would you like to do?

1867
02:27:45,660 --> 02:27:49,680
I'll make a motion to decline calling a special recall election council member,

1868
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:51,880
or ho on the basis of the ground for recall

1869
02:27:51,880 --> 02:27:53,320
and the petition are insufficient

1870
02:27:53,320 --> 02:27:55,720
to constitute malfeasance or non-fee-sence

1871
02:27:56,140 --> 02:27:57,480
on the part of the council member.

1872
02:27:59,340 --> 02:27:59,780
Any

1873
02:28:04,070 --> 02:28:04,570
other discussion?

1874
02:28:08,860 --> 02:28:10,020
Amy, is there anything you'd like to address?

1875
02:28:13,860 --> 02:28:19,140
No, I've already supplied you with the legal analysis

1876
02:28:19,140 --> 02:28:21,940
before I would welcome Mr. Joseph

1877
02:28:21,940 --> 02:28:24,120
to send me the citation he's referencing.

1878
02:28:24,900 --> 02:28:27,280
I've reached out to Mr. Joseph on a couple of occasions

1879
02:28:27,280 --> 02:28:29,020
and have not received a response from him

1880
02:28:29,020 --> 02:28:35,500
So it would have been helpful that he provided that to me months ago, but I don't have I

1881
02:28:39,080 --> 02:28:42,280
don't have anything else to say unless you guys have any further questions.

1882
02:28:43,480 --> 02:28:44,880
We have a motion on the table.

1883
02:28:46,910 --> 02:28:47,890
Any further discussion?

1884
02:28:49,740 --> 02:28:51,580
All those in favor, they have a motion to say aye.

1885
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:52,440
Aye.

1886
02:28:52,980 --> 02:28:53,360
Any opposed?

1887
02:28:54,280 --> 02:28:54,720
Abstain.

1888
02:28:58,060 --> 02:28:58,240
All right.

1889
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:01,040
That brings us to council comments.

1890
02:29:02,020 --> 02:29:03,520
Any council comments this evening?

1891
02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:04,400
That

1892
02:29:11,730 --> 02:29:14,170
brings us to UK Council Administrator Satisfy Court.

1893
02:29:18,290 --> 02:29:23,150
Okay, just a couple things I wanted to mention on July 15th, which is Thursday.

1894
02:29:23,470 --> 02:29:26,030
We have a construct shop on utilities.

1895
02:29:26,870 --> 02:29:31,650
And so the agenda was posted today along with half of the attachment, the second apple

1896
02:29:31,650 --> 02:29:32,530
come tomorrow morning.

1897
02:29:32,750 --> 02:29:35,350
So hopefully it'll give you enough time to read through that.

1898
02:29:35,750 --> 02:29:41,530
And then I wanted to confirm that August 30th is the next date of our next workshop.

1899
02:29:41,750 --> 02:29:42,230
Budget workshop.

1900
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:45,970
So, that was in the original budget calendar, but we hadn't sent out a notice.

1901
02:29:46,110 --> 02:29:47,970
So, I just want to see if that date will still work.

1902
02:29:48,210 --> 02:29:49,230
It's a fifth Monday.

1903
02:29:51,130 --> 02:29:53,090
We can meet here in the council chambers.

1904
02:29:53,390 --> 02:29:55,370
Trying to get that fifth Monday, okay.

1905
02:29:57,230 --> 02:29:58,350
I'll let you on the air.

1906
02:30:01,970 --> 02:30:31,450
Okay, with that then, so we put some information in about the electric vehicles, and just wondering if there's any update that the council might have or any feedback for us on what we were proposing as far as moving forward with adding electric vehicles into our fleet, and then we've got a couple of years where we layer it out. I think sooner rather than later, my thing is,

1907
02:30:31,450 --> 02:30:34,110
is that the cost saving is so much.

1908
02:30:34,250 --> 02:30:36,510
The upfront cost might be a little bit more,

1909
02:30:36,610 --> 02:30:39,870
but the cost savings for the maintenance is huge.

1910
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:41,250
I mean,

1911
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:47,020
put tires on and I think I got oil changes

1912
02:30:47,020 --> 02:30:50,280
or right here's got to be flushed and, you know,

1913
02:30:50,540 --> 02:30:52,220
transmissions have got to be taken care of.

1914
02:30:52,380 --> 02:30:57,460
I mean, it's pretty much, I just think it's a great deal

1915
02:30:57,790 --> 02:31:00,320
to get them going sooner rather than later.

1916
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:06,300
I think you can answer both of my comments at the same time, Rick, that's not going to

1917
02:31:06,300 --> 02:31:11,680
pause you for a second. My comments were similar to Dean's. I didn't think that this showed

1918
02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:16,960
us what the maintenance savings or the cost savings would be down the line overall.

1919
02:31:17,580 --> 02:31:20,880
So, I'd like a little bit more information on this, and in general, I mean, I expressed

1920
02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:30,100
it at our previous meeting and our budget meeting that I'm in favor of moving forward with

1921
02:31:30,100 --> 02:31:48,900
There's one or possibly a few others, but there's one other piece that I wanted to ask about too, and you might not be able to answer this, and maybe this will be our next report, is there are some vehicles that are identified, and they specifically impact staff, I mean often staff drive these vehicles or drive them,

1922
02:31:51,120 --> 02:32:01,120
I don't want to overlook how staff is maybe other staff, other staff members who are really hesitant, or I don't want to do this, or staff hopefully saying, this is great.

1923
02:32:01,120 --> 02:32:04,000
Wait, I'm thrilled for the opportunity that my name might come up.

1924
02:32:04,980 --> 02:32:05,960
That's a good question.

1925
02:32:06,760 --> 02:32:12,340
There's some discussion amongst the staff that are being pegged for these vehicles,

1926
02:32:12,340 --> 02:32:15,120
because there are certain vehicles that we're putting out there.

1927
02:32:15,700 --> 02:32:19,540
So one of those discussion points are what about the ones that take them home.

1928
02:32:20,920 --> 02:32:26,640
And our feeling is, as majority of those folks are not operating a vehicle eight hours a day.

1929
02:32:27,020 --> 02:32:28,960
So that they would plug in when they're at work.

1930
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:33,680
you know hopefully that would make that and you know we're gonna learn a little bit as we go along you know

1931
02:32:33,680 --> 02:32:40,460
none of us that staff that I'm aware of has a electric vehicle so they and as it says in the

1932
02:32:40,460 --> 02:32:45,800
report you know we're not talking about a smart charger either to keep that cost down to start with

1933
02:32:45,800 --> 02:32:50,640
and you know it's evident I've had this conversation technology keeps changing so dramatically

1934
02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:56,360
year in and year out just in the vehicle I mean if Evan would ask me this question two years ago I

1935
02:32:56,360 --> 02:33:01,220
I told them no, we're not going to have a pickup truck, but now they have 150 is in production.

1936
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:03,320
Will we be able to get it in 22?

1937
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:04,860
That's another question.

1938
02:33:05,420 --> 02:33:09,980
So I did want to make, and I don't like to deviate, but I did want to make, when I spoke

1939
02:33:09,980 --> 02:33:14,520
to Lynn today, we failed to put one part in here and that is the maintenance and Dean kind

1940
02:33:14,520 --> 02:33:15,500
of hit on that right away.

1941
02:33:17,000 --> 02:33:21,700
Initially, maintenance costs will, there will be a savings without a doubt, but we don't

1942
02:33:21,700 --> 02:33:24,660
have as all the equipment mechanically wise, if you will.

1943
02:33:24,660 --> 02:33:28,500
So the electrical kind of components that we're going to need to work on the vehicle,

1944
02:33:28,520 --> 02:33:31,240
but the vehicles are going to be covered by warranty.

1945
02:33:31,540 --> 02:33:35,860
So those will play out in the ears and Lin just kind of didn't put that part in there.

1946
02:33:35,960 --> 02:33:39,140
And he asked me to speak to that a little bit tonight to make sure that that's,

1947
02:33:39,220 --> 02:33:42,800
that is a concern and there will be some training for our folks as well.

1948
02:33:43,320 --> 02:33:48,000
Because they'll have to, you know, become accustomed to the electrical vehicle as well.

1949
02:33:48,340 --> 02:33:51,400
So we just really, we don't have to decide tonight.

1950
02:33:51,400 --> 02:33:53,940
We just want you to get some thoughts out there.

1951
02:33:53,940 --> 02:33:59,260
and as we're moving through the CIP, the difference in price is not significant.

1952
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:05,580
So, you know, we just, I think we just keep working on it as we go here and we're prepared to

1953
02:34:05,580 --> 02:34:11,140
offer those vehicles that are available. If we can get them in 22, that's going to always be the

1954
02:34:11,140 --> 02:34:12,160
caveat.

1955
02:34:15,390 --> 02:34:22,850
Yeah, I mean the 50 Lightning is a very exciting vehicle. It's just has a lot of,

1956
02:34:22,850 --> 02:34:29,070
It's really a utility design vehicle, and I think that's really the kind of a basis

1957
02:34:29,070 --> 02:34:36,410
of why it fits in as a possibility, so well, I've heard the run will be limited in

1958
02:34:36,410 --> 02:34:38,490
22 and ramp up later.

1959
02:34:39,110 --> 02:34:44,730
I still support the idea of trying to move one in 22, because I think there is a learning

1960
02:34:44,730 --> 02:34:51,950
curve as Rick alluded to, and I think it's a good idea on a small scale, like one vehicle,

1961
02:34:51,950 --> 02:35:06,110
to kind of learn what we're going to go through, get a normal level 2 charger, I think and then be able to experiment with that overnight and how that handles and how that works.

1962
02:35:06,970 --> 02:35:21,930
Additionally, these vehicles do have range reductions in the winter and I think it's important for before we invest in several vehicles to get a real time analysis of how that feels, how that works, how these cars are going to really impact the impact.

1963
02:35:21,930 --> 02:35:38,630
So I would support a continued conversation in 22 in the CIP discussion of adding a vehicle in for 22 and continuing the schedule moving forward.

1964
02:35:41,320 --> 02:35:43,140
Well, summarizes my position is.

1965
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:52,740
Yeah, and that's fairly easy to do. I mean, we have the numbers really. It's just a matter of moving some things around and finding the right vehicle and the right setup.

1966
02:35:52,740 --> 02:36:00,100
So until we until we get one and actually use it under our conditions when I can know anything we can guess all day long, but

1967
02:36:01,700 --> 02:36:05,300
Until we get one and and it's very clear both Ford and Chevy

1968
02:36:05,300 --> 02:36:13,480
Have come out and said in the hand we're talking in the near future are gonna make almost all of their vehicles electric and it is coming

1969
02:36:13,480 --> 02:36:19,880
So I would rather have at least one vehicle to start out with and find out how we can actually make this work

1970
02:36:20,420 --> 02:36:31,940
rather than just finding out, okay, now you don't have any choice or very little choice, so that's why I just think it's a good idea to start sooner rather than later,

1971
02:36:34,530 --> 02:36:35,450
that's kind of where I'm at.

1972
02:36:36,470 --> 02:36:48,710
Just two other quick things. One on July 22nd, the Human Rights Commission is hosting a public forum on hate symbols. That'll be right here in the City Council chambers and they're interested in hearing from the public.

1973
02:36:48,710 --> 02:36:56,290
So please attend for the council we have done a public notice so you can all attend if you would like and then finally Rick provided a

1974
02:36:56,290 --> 02:37:03,230
Summary of the storm damage and so just in case people are listening and interested the crew spent

1975
02:37:03,770 --> 02:37:05,410
948 hours cleaning up

1976
02:37:06,010 --> 02:37:13,690
Brush so you know if you think about your year and how you've planned your work to then take out almost a thousand hours of time

1977
02:37:13,690 --> 02:37:19,810
To do that kind of work clean up from other nature. It does really change our ability to get our projects done so

1978
02:37:21,070 --> 02:37:24,590
You know, just keep that in mind and then overall the city trucks haul

1979
02:37:25,130 --> 02:37:29,210
354 loads of brush which equals 3,400 yards of material

1980
02:37:29,930 --> 02:37:35,390
Residents also hauled another 1354 loads of brush of various sizes on their own

1981
02:37:35,390 --> 02:37:37,690
So there was a lot of cleanup from this storm

1982
02:37:38,370 --> 02:37:43,030
And then from a city perspective about 12 bull of our trees were lost as many

1983
02:37:43,690 --> 02:37:44,970
as well as other private trees,

1984
02:37:45,130 --> 02:37:46,850
and I'm sure you've noticed in some of the parks

1985
02:37:46,850 --> 02:37:48,610
on a cobble, there were a couple major trees

1986
02:37:48,610 --> 02:37:51,290
that went down to us, so it really did hit us hard.

1987
02:37:52,370 --> 02:37:53,910
I'm just gonna throw this out there now.

1988
02:37:54,490 --> 02:37:58,050
Again, just because this is an opportunity to plug this,

1989
02:37:58,370 --> 02:38:00,610
that as we continue to sort of deal with storms,

1990
02:38:00,890 --> 02:38:02,510
we have for a while now, right?

1991
02:38:04,150 --> 02:38:06,350
I've heard residents asking about,

1992
02:38:06,490 --> 02:38:08,930
both of our trees or about how they could contribute to,

1993
02:38:09,810 --> 02:38:12,250
especially last year, the 2019 storm,

1994
02:38:12,250 --> 02:38:17,390
they wanted to replant, they were willing to help replant, like Baypoint trees or donate.

1995
02:38:17,570 --> 02:38:21,930
And I know at that time that that gets to be a little bit cumbersome, how to manage that.

1996
02:38:23,350 --> 02:38:28,210
But I'll put in that plug that if there's at some point a program or some way,

1997
02:38:28,470 --> 02:38:30,950
I think that there are residents who would be interested in

1998
02:38:32,130 --> 02:38:34,050
helping to replant their own bowl of our trees.

1999
02:38:34,250 --> 02:38:38,590
Or coming down donating a tree during one of these events,

2000
02:38:38,590 --> 02:38:42,430
or a part is being in an event or spending some extra funds.

2001
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:48,410
There seem to be some residents that are interested in supporting trees in our community if

2002
02:38:48,410 --> 02:38:54,390
there's a way to not make it overly burdensome to manage that, manage people and manage that

2003
02:38:54,390 --> 02:38:59,710
activity. So the Youth Commission has also expressed an interest in getting involved in tree planting

2004
02:38:59,710 --> 02:39:01,990
and being part of that process.

2005
02:39:05,550 --> 02:39:08,070
That's really good because they're young and can handle it.

2006
02:39:11,370 --> 02:39:13,750
If there's an opportunity for that, I think people would take us up on it.

2007
02:39:13,910 --> 02:39:14,530
Yeah, I do too.

2008
02:39:15,850 --> 02:39:16,970
Do you think I'll send Kayle?

2009
02:39:17,090 --> 02:39:17,470
That's it.

2010
02:39:18,070 --> 02:39:18,450
Mike?

2011
02:39:18,930 --> 02:39:22,610
Just a reminder that Sunday, the first boat of the year is coming in.

2012
02:39:23,030 --> 02:39:28,230
The Duchess, American steamboat company, Duchess being at 11 o'clock, Sunday morning.

2013
02:39:28,890 --> 02:39:32,530
So if you get a chance, if you can come down, we're going to greet the boat when it comes.

2014
02:39:33,610 --> 02:39:37,390
And we won't be able to go on, I don't believe, because of the COVID restrictions on it.

2015
02:39:37,390 --> 02:39:40,910
But yeah, it'd be good if everybody could kind of be down

2016
02:39:40,910 --> 02:39:44,130
for this first vote and we'll show off that levy to him

2017
02:39:44,130 --> 02:39:47,050
and show him what we got and they'll be coming here

2018
02:39:47,050 --> 02:39:49,290
and all like every week from here on in the soil.

2019
02:39:50,170 --> 02:39:51,770
Things are going to start happening in the soil.

2020
02:39:52,110 --> 02:39:54,810
But if you could come down Sunday at 11, that'd be great.

2021
02:39:55,970 --> 02:39:58,370
Can one thing to that too, the gates will be closed.

2022
02:39:58,550 --> 02:39:59,850
So you probably will hear that.

2023
02:39:59,870 --> 02:40:01,530
I mean, because people just don't remember

2024
02:40:01,530 --> 02:40:02,890
you don't want we put out originally,

2025
02:40:03,270 --> 02:40:05,350
but the gates will be closed when the boat's there

2026
02:40:05,350 --> 02:40:14,410
to stop the traffic going down a levee part to help with the ability to unload off all the

2027
02:40:14,410 --> 02:40:18,050
things that need to get done, not to mention it's a significant amount of pedestrian traffic,

2028
02:40:18,210 --> 02:40:22,190
so that's how it was designed, and I'm just going to give this first run this weekend.

2029
02:40:23,110 --> 02:40:26,630
Awesome. Thank you, Rick. All right, with that, I will call this meeting adjourned.

2030
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:27,270
Thank you.