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Hi, everyone. Welcome in. Today is April 1st. We are our community for we sort of do commissions meeting. And it is Monday, next, seven, with one. We begin with, uh, yes. So, uh, roll call, we have chairman, can you? By the share of words. Commissioner Eagle. Yeah. Commissioner headstrong here. Commissioner Jackson. As it commissioned or lost in for me.

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Commissioner Martinez. Commissioner

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Munivvi here. Commissioner

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Telles.

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Thank you so much and

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then I'll turn to our city of

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Chinese and pop of interest.

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No conference.

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Pop with us. Thank you. And now

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we'll go into a gender review and

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for agenda review.

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for a new business, eight, a, discussion involved with confidentiality agreement and code

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accepted.

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We will have that vote, but for eight, the discussion involved on the by-law, no, second, it is

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take eight, a, discussion involved on the confidentiality agreement and code of ethics.

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We will be voting on the confidentiality agreement, we will not be voting on the by-laws, amendment

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We're still under review by the City Attorney and so that would come back to us in the near future.

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In May, we'll have that.

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Just for you, we're looking at the agenda report.

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Are there any other changes to be agenda review to the agenda?

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Seeing none.

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We're going to go into the approval of the minutes.

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the candidates.

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So, we do appreciate you, Agenda.

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We just, we just, we're, we're not.

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I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm moving to the candidates.

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They're second.

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So, I have them.

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Thank you, Commissioner Lawson.

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And thank you, as Chair Frommins.

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Well, the work on, right?

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Chair, can too.

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Vice Chair Flores.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Eagle.

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Commissioner Headsstone.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Jackson, is absent.

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Commissioner Lawson.

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Commissioner Martinez.

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is of St. Commissioner Manny, excuse me, Mennati. Yes. And Commissioner Taylor is at. Thank

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you. And now I'm going into the chief report. Is there a representative on RTV, the chief

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online? Okay.

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Oh, looks like Captain Lopez will be joining us today.

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Captain Lopez. Hello, can

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Can everybody see it here, Min?

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Yes.

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Perfect.

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Thank you for having me tonight.

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I will be sitting in four chief Simmons,

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and I will be providing the tonight's update

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as far as our use of force summary,

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shot spotter activity, crime trim to the last 30 days,

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and staffing if I didn't say that already.

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So thank you for having me tonight.

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I will begin with use of force for the month of February.

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There were 11 total uses of force by officers and of those incidents, five involve body force,

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three involve the rap restraint system, two involve taser deployments, and one involve the

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canine contact. Turning to crime trends, citywide from March of 2026, Richmond recorded 121 crimes

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crimes and 420 property crimes for a total of 541 index crimes.

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Compared to February of 2026, violent crime increased by 53% and property crime increased

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by 108%. Compared to March of last year, violent crime increased by 30% and property

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crime increased by 67%. And near-date crimes are up 23% compared

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with the same period in 2025. To look more closely at the specific crimes

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increases, largely theft showed the most significant rise. It increased 209% compared last month

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and 121% compared to March of last year. Robert also increased 156% from last month,

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aggravated assaults increased 48% from last month and 26% from last year.

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Vehicle theft increased 45% from last month and 25% from last year, and vandalism also

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increased substantially, up 174% compared to last month and 79% compared to last year.

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And from a district perspective, all three patrol districts of northern, the southern,

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and the central districts saw increases in crime from in February to March.

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Southern increased from 110 to 235 incidents. Central increased from 82 to 139

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incidents and the northern district increased from 89 to 167 incidents. In the

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southern district, the most significant increase in categories with more than

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10 reported crimes was larceny, which rose from 44 to 126. In the central district,

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in the same categories with 10 more reported crimes was lost in it as well from 19 to 58.

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And in the northern district, the most notable increases of categories with more than 10

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reported crimes was also lost in it, which rose from 25 to 88.

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And while some of these increases are significant, we review these changes carefully and do not

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rely on a single month alone to define the broader public safety picture.

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It is important for our staff to look at the patterns, repeat locations, and trends.

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We utilize the data provided so we can adjust patrol attention and enforcement strategies

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where it's needed.

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Next I'm going to provide a shot spotter report.

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From March of 2026, Richardson recorded nine shots fire calls for service, which is down

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from 16 reported in February, and that is a 44% decrease.

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compared with March of 2025, shot spotter calls, shot fire calls, I'm sorry, for

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service is down 40%. And during that same time period, shots spotter recorded

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38 activations, which is down from 46 in February, and that's a 17% decrease,

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compared with March of 2025, activations were down by 5%. The department also

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documented five shooting incidents that occurred in March. That is down from

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12 in the previous month in February, and that's a 58 percent decrease.

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One important note for the Commission and the public is that shot spotter activations

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and shots fire calls for service are not the same thing.

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A shot spotter activation is the technology generated alert of possible gunfire.

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A shot fire call for service is a call for service that comes through the public or come

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from the public and through our dispatch.

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Those two numbers will not always match.

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And in some cases, officers respond to shot spotter activation and confirm that there

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was no related crime.

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In other cases, community members will call in a shots fire call, and there is no corresponding

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activation.

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And that is why we evaluate both categories separately.

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Lastly, I'll update the commission on the department staffing.

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Currently the police department has 219 authorized positions.

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positions. Of those, there's 147 are sworn positions and 71 are civilian full-time positions.

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The department currently has 126 of those positions filled, including 7 trainees that are

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assigned to the police academy. That leaves us with currently with 21 sworn vacancies.

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We also have 57 failed civilian full-time positions with 14 civilian vacancies. Within our sworn

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One staffing picture, six employees are allowing injury leave, or sick leave.

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Four are on light duty, and two are administrative leave.

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Current sworn vacancies include one assistant chief, one lieutenant, five sergeants, and

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14 officers.

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On the civilian side, the most significant shortage includes seven communication dispatchers,

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and three crime scene technicians, along with other key support positions.

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In closing, while we are seeing increases in some crime categories during the report

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of period, we are also seeing positive movement in areas like shots fire calls for service

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and confirmed shooting incidents.

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We will continue to monitor these trends closely and adjust words needed, and also keep you

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updated.

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And that concludes my report.

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And I'll answer any questions that you might have.

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Any questions from the commissioners?

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If you have any.

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Thank you, Commissioner Hexken.

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I'm sorry.

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All right, I don't know what Larson he is.

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Larson he's thinking about, yeah, just a certain type of theft?

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So there's two different types of thefts.

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You're going to have Larson, which is going to be under a certain $500, which is a Mr.

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Mena Larson, a Mr. Mena Petty theft, and you're going to have a grant theft, which is over $500.

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So that's from a business?

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No, it's from anywhere.

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It could be just a theft of you has something stolen from you, that's considered a Larson

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And then he said there was a decrease in robbery. Is there any particular neighborhoods that are seeing more robberies like that?

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So the robberies have gone up for all three districts, which is alarming.

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What we're trying to do is what we have our crime analysis technicians do is try to centralize where these crime trends are.

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And then we'll be do two things. It's a proactive approach for our patrol officers.

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They see the crime trends and kind of where the hotspots are and we activate our

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overall officers to those locations and then on our detected bureau side, they see the crime trends

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and where they're going and they look for trends, they look for modus operandas, if individuals are

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doing the same types of things and they look for clues in order to see if this is a crime trend,

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this is gang activity or is there certain suspect information that is the same that we can

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work on those leads.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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Welcome.

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Thank you very much.

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Sorry.

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Regarding the use of workforce incidents, you mentioned that there was three that worked

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the rapid devices years and then one very keen.

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Can you specify as to why the rapid devices chosen?

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So the rapid devices usually chosen when there is a, you know, someone who is

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combatant, or someone who is kicking out windows,

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vandalizing, or causing a safety to themselves,

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or a safety to officers.

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And we need to transport them from different locations.

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The rap device has different uses for it.

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And so whenever a rap device is utilized,

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we always have a supervisor on scene

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to ensure it's put on properly and ensure

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that a supervisor's on scene.

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Thank you.

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Yes, our investigators will question as well.

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By our app device, do you mean the bulk of our app device?

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We consider this a rapid device.

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The specific game, there's different brands.

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But this is a rapid device that we utilize.

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And how long this is a rapid device?

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Oh, that's a great question.

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Let's see here, I've been here for 24 years.

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and I'm pretty sure we've had a wrappers trained device for as long as I've been here, but I'll have to go back and double check that.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Okay. We will move to public forum.

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At this time, I'm going to go ahead and move to public forum.

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Anyone who wishes to address the commission on any subject within the jurisdiction of the commission,

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whether or not the subject is contained on this agenda as well as pertaining to the remarks of the chief of police may do so by filling out a speaker request.

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Down with the staff liaison or by raising your hand via zoom there will be a two minute time limit per speaker.

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subject to the chair's personal discretion.

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Our first speaker here in person is going to be for

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the outhandler, for the owner to have two minutes to see.

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And you may begin.

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Thank you both.

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So the three of you need to share the kind of two of the

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mission is for the director.

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I am Twitter owner.

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I'm a member of the park by the neighborhood council.

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So thank you.

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I have a little bit of a report.

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So one of the issues that I have raised last month was

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But I've called it in a couple of times, but it has time better, but I would request

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if there be some actual patrol, especially long, because I live on 45-1 and the next one over

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is 40% of the law, so if there be some actual patrol in our net areas, that's how we're

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very helpful.

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So that's one.

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The other issue that I brought up was, and I probably didn't have a product that had a neighbor

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We're consummating about, we can't have to go about $7.11, so that would provide some

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context.

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So that in 2013, at the time, when we had our previous deed officer, one of the issues

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that we had raised was $7.11 has been an issue for quite some time because if he would

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be adding a random order and that, and that, that's me because I shot $7.11 the page only,

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and it doesn't feel safe for me to go over there to what business without getting there

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for somebody.

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So we have been, when I say we, the neighborhood council, and I have been trying to put pressure on some who have been clear through that.

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It has not been better, but I want to request that I have some extra control around that area.

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And then the final thing, and I'm before you take in those, is, is prostitution because we must track the neighborhood council president and I, we were coming back from an event.

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And we've seen a blade of the email, especially long, at 5M at Hall, and it would be great if we had some sting operations coming back because it would make that out of that quarter more visible.

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So with that, I'll give my time to Lisa Johnson.

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this.

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Moving forward now.

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Before we move on to our online speakers, we do have members. I put in the also the con now. We have one other speaker here sourcing. No worries and ask your Garcia. You'll have two minutes to speak. Thank you.

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has always been discussed in an open session,

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but that changed when boy Andrews took over

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the representative for the city attorney's office.

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And in terms of being done in closed session,

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especially in light of edits being made in the past

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during closed session that were not consistent

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with the facts of the complaint.

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Transparency is lacking and doing additional things

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in closed session is not acceptable.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, officers.

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right, Lisa, you'll have two minutes to speak and you may begin.

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Thank you. Good evening, commissioners and investigator-servant.

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I want to connect with on the agenda tonight with a concerning transparency issue

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that the city attorney's office has refused to address.

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Tonight, the commission is discussing two new public case summaries in closed session.

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Even though those cases have already been reviewed and voted on by the commission

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and the findings and votes rid out to the public.

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at this stage the focus is on draft public case summaries and historically those have been

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done publicly. The shift now moved this process to closed session is troubling and we have

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precedent for why. At a public meeting on November 6, 2024, the final public case summary in the

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Kevin MacDonald case was read into the record after the commission voted to approve it in closed

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session. As was customary policy, a draft version had to exist, be circulated and reviewed by the

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commission before that vote. A public records act request reveals that someone submitted

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a request asking for the draft summary and who authored it. The city confirmed that

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Jerry III wrote the draft. Yet the city refused to release it claiming the record wasn't

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retained and that the public interest was best served by withholding it. That makes no sense.

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For standard plastic was for the draft to be emailed to the chair and circulated amongst

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commissioners and should exist within the city's email systems and be subject to retention

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policies. The city cannot claim the document was central to decision-making but somehow

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not retained it. Second, the public interest argument falls apart. This is not a confidential

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memo about a pending decision. This is a document summarizing a finding and vote already read

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into the public record. The public has a right to compare the draft and final versions and

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understand what change when there was no independent investigator present as he had already resigned.

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This lacks and reeks of a lack of transparency. It's very troubling and I urge the commission

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and investigator to return these discussions to open session where they rightly belong. Thank you.

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Thank you Lisa. Are there any other public comments online at this time for public forum?

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Thank you. Thank you. I have to look as appreciate you being here.

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Thank you.

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And now we're going to move into old business report on commissioner training.

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There's only one report from Commissioner Boston.

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Yeah, I, I shadowed officer.

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Ireland and tentative.

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He lived through glad your report to the wristman's panics, neighborhood council meeting.

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last Thursday evening, and in the way that I actually

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lived in British mathematics and so the first time

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I had attended my neighborhood council meeting,

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so that was very stressful.

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I stayed with the rest of the meeting,

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apparently the federal court was completed,

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and we've learned a little bit about my neighborhoods,

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so I appreciated that as well.

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Awesome.

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Thank you.

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I did a ride along.

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Yes, and we have it for the record as well.

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Thank you.

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So all of the write-alongs will be updated and uploaded to the website for transparency

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to meet the minimum requirements, those dates, and the dates will only be on the website.

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The summary is for an internal process for all of us, so thank you for submitting those.

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This will be the end of all business items, so we'll not be adding this to the agenda

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in the near future, because now we've all finished the train.

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Commissioner?

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I guess not.

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Hold on here.

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Last month.

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But can I give a-

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Do you want to share about use?

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Yeah.

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On February 50, 2016, I arrived at the police station at approximately 5.30 a.m. there was

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men with Sergeant McGill, Castalo, he greeted me warmly, gave me a comprehensive tour of the station

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during the tour he showed me the chief's office, the cabinet's office, the science area,

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the brake loans, and the cabinet's storage loans. He also took me to a rear building with a

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troll vehicle, the Philadelphia trucks, our house, it was helpful to see how everything was

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organized and how the police department operated the United

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States. Around 6.30 p.m. we began a patrol at the

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Sergeant. He was overseeing patrol operations while after being

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monitoring activity in the field. He showed me the equipment

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inside the patrol vehicle and explained how he tracked the

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locations and answers and communications with him real

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a time. During the shift, we responded to a call in the

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ambulance, but when banned, the victim had reported to send his

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van and the neighborhood. Before approaching the van,

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officers used the drone to survey the area for safety and

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safety awareness. They also deployed spike strips in the

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world, but in case the suspect typically. It was impressed.

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I was impressed by our coordinated and strategic operation worlds.

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I also worked together in a synchronized manner to save me apprehended two individuals involved.

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One of the officers even explained to me how the drone operates, which was very informative.

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The rest of the evening was relatively quiet.

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We control different areas of Richmond who in 23rd Street, nearby Back Street, Sargent,

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Castello, planning out areas of a prostitution activity as shifted.

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Up particularly near 24th Street, we also observed a few traffic stops before we turned

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into the station overall.

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I found a right-alone experience of me on a site in sightful, as a case known and cited.

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He gave me a better understanding of these seizures,

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coordination, and community patrol operations.

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I truly enjoyed experiencing it

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with gladly participating in another

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right along in the future.

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Thank you Commissioner Javasang.

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I encourage anybody else to reach out directly for

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their chief to continue to do

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by the loans with dispatch or with RPD officers.

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That's going to close the old business agenda.

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I've done in public on public business at this time see at this time we didn't want to have

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excuse me uh compliment for old big or some public comment for old business at this time

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please raise your hand and hit person you know perfect thank you we're going to move to

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agenda eight new business and this is the discussion and vote on the next identity and the

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A, this will not be for the bylaws amendments.

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And so, oh, that's a two in the singular Alex to share this and just introduce this item.

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Then we'll go back to clarifying questions, then public comment, and then our discussion.

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Sure, certainly mission bylaws, the non required mission is to formally execute a confidential

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financial aid agreement and on disclosure agreement, such a requirement would reduce the

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risk of unauthorized disclosure that might compromise investigations, reduce the city's

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exposure to liability and also increase public confidence in the commission.

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Perfect. Any questions? And this is generally a best practice. You can see there's a level

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of infections on the other by the laws, et cetera. But yeah, question.

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So if I understand correct people, we're really on today is whether to improve the case

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of the title and confidentialities on the reading.

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Just that.

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Just that.

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Another question I ask you.

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So the only things that are confidential are the email codes listed here.

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or are they the help on the code?

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They're told here are referred because they type what I brought, so you can refer to

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that.

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I mean, it's about some specific questions about what may or may not be, so I can try

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to answer them as best as I can out.

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So the main thing is we can't release the officer's name, so is there anything else specifically

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that you can think of?

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I just want to make sure I know exactly what it's supposed to know records and in details

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that in cases, unreleased body-worn camera footage, witness statements, investigative materials,

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anything like that. If you've discussed anything, it has to be very general, you know, like just trends

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that you're seeing that type of thing.

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Specific dates.

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Any other clarify questions before we go

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to flip it from it? Yeah, when I asked if there's a difference, I'm not seeing between paragraph 3 and 4.

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The

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wording of the first sentence seems slightly different, but it seems to be like a very similar sentence.

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Can I just share with my understanding?

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Yeah, it's three is saying that you understand the information.

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Sorry, is it the last two paragraphs?

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Or which?

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Three and four, right?

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Yeah, sorry.

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Okay.

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So they don't begin hiding pretty quickly.

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Right, okay.

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Never mind.

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They don't seem what they're saying, saying things.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they are some of them redundant.

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If you want to move to amended.

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Yeah.

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I don't see what I would say keep the third.

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You can get rid of the four.

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Yeah, I was.

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Okay, fine.

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So that's for clarifying.

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Any other clarifying questions?

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Yeah, okay.

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Public comment?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. One thing I want to do is put on record the Commissioner Andre show the day to

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ride at 7.14 pm and then also Commissioner tell us a ride at 7.08 pm.

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Thank you.

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I love that.

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And we'll go ahead and move into public comment on this item.

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This is going to be for a Sydney new business item A, Cordell Henry, your first speaker

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on this item.

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You'll have a few minutes to speak and you may begin.

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And so we didn't even share a few missions for the record.

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I had looked at the development for events.

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One of the things I wanted to mention about the regarding

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about the media.

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And so I was looking at it and I wasn't in it.

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So, and I don't know from experience,

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but I'm like, it did.

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Suppose that the media did as a commissioner of our line

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know a sort of particular thing, they have a right to say, I cannot disclose that, hey,

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so I'm just being mindful. So I'm like, I look at it and I'm like, and the media does have

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a tendency to have, whether they call it out, as far as you know, a specific case. And so,

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you cannot disclose it, so you're lacking that confidence here. So, I do want to give

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So, hopefully it gets voted on and I believe in that.

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Thank you for the interrupt.

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Our next speaker here in person is going to be asked to regard to it.

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The two minutes to speak and you may begin.

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Thank you.

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I'll see our CEO, Richmond resident.

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Black C, the confident chat agreement and code of ethics item.

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But it being sponsored by Marisol Cantu is worried from.

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She has commented publicly about several cases before the CBRC jeopardizing the ability

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to hold those officers accountable if necessary.

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This is like Donald Trump establishing a code of ethics around the FC files.

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Just go to make a sense.

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Marisol Kento has shown a several time that she cannot be trusted with delicate CBRC information.

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She revealed sensitive information about the angel on tunnel case on Facebook days after

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a training where the commission was taught the importance of keeping everything confidential.

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She clearly needs to be removed from the commission for damaging the ability to hold officers

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accountable.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, master.

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Okay, we're going to go ahead and move on to public comment online again.

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This is going to be for new business item A. Our first speaker is Lisa.

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You'll have two minutes to speak and you may begin.

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Good evening commissioners.

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I want to thank investigators Serifin for putting this critically needed item on tonight's agenda.

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It's long overdue and the commission needs a real and effective way to remove commissioners in a timely manner

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when they commit clear ethics violations or demonstrate bias, because that conduct undermines

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the integrity of the commission and every sustained finding of issues.

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I am equally concerned that commissioners must be held accountable if they withheld key

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information on their CPRC applications or made false statements on their form 700s, including

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being who they're.

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Our employer is, as has been the case, by commissioners can't do in Martinez. The public has a right to transparency and honesty from anyone serving in this role. As such, I will continue to call for their immediate resignations from the CPRC, as well as any other commissioner who is a member of reimagine Richmond until this is appropriately addressed. Commissioners can't do in Martinez sit on the reimagine Richmond steering committee, an organization with a well-documented anti-police bias that creates an unacceptable conflict of interest.

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The record also shows a pattern of bias decision making, including the September 2024th vote

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in the Kevin Macdonald case, in which commissioners Cantu Martinez and Lawson voted to overwrite

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the findings of the district attorney and trained investigators.

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That failure of process and impartiality led to the whistleblower resignation of CPRC

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investigator Jerry Three and mandatory training for the commission.

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Yet the events that followed after the August 4th shooting of Angel Montagno showed that

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But training apparently did not stick.

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Before any investigations were complete, officers' names were leaked to the press, Commissioner

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Cantu then publicly said the officers need to be locked up in charge before a single

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investigator had finished their work.

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Reimagined Richmond followed with demands for firing and criminal charges.

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That's not in partial oversight.

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That's advocacy disguised as a verdict.

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The DA later cleared both officers and Reimagined Richmond once again rejected that outcome.

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them. Please have them resign immediately and resolve this time. I'm sorry, do you see

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your time of sleep is up at this time? Are there any other speakers online for public comment

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at this time? That completes public comment. Okay, move on to discussion votes. Yes. I have

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a question. So it's not heard by English, but it's a question of the content of the green.

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Is there, was there any discussion or is it really all appropriate to include disclosures

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of contents during closed session, like Brown and Violation Center, just like, so we

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wouldn't follow you to the laws that are listed here, but I know I'm, you know, I'm also

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penalized or removed, and we should accept an issue in the past, but it proves that one

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a man paragraph two to say add including violations with the ground on something like that.

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Thank you, Commissioner Martinez. I was absolutely going to respond to the commissioner

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of law soon and said, what if not necessarily follow them there.

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Oh wait, no, it's not a process in law soon. I think everyone's at like official duties as a

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CVRC commissioner or any duties, I think that would include it, but if you want to get specific,

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and that's also fun for paragraph two.

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I would actually like to make the

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I'm going to make that permission for me.

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Do you mind that I'm going to ask you the same thing?

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Engle?

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I'll try it up.

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That maybe we should get rid of paragraph four,

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and then for paragraph three, we add the word

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I understand and agree.

474
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:19,090
So that we are all understanding and then we also

475
00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:23,630
movement to the fact that we know of it, that we're getting ourselves into it, and then we are a fall in agreement.

476
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:29,410
I'd like to suggest you instead of bringing information.

477
00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:33,450
For no, there are a four, and then keep going.

478
00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:36,510
I thought it was just a bit with this thing.

479
00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:37,990
It's interesting.

480
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:38,630
What?

481
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:41,610
It was room full of information.

482
00:33:42,650 --> 00:33:43,550
Yes, it was room full of information.

483
00:33:43,550 --> 00:33:48,550
Yes, and then additional events, number also as I understand it.

484
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:50,590
I understand him pretty.

485
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:52,130
I understand him pretty.

486
00:33:52,510 --> 00:33:57,530
And then adding official duties as a CPRC commissioner in paragraph two,

487
00:34:02,850 --> 00:34:05,030
or we can play

488
00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:09,730
many of our Chinese, anything related to diversification of the business.

489
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:12,730
I don't think that's confidential.

490
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:28,790
No, I don't think that's why I mentioned that, if a commissioner also wanted to specify specifically on any grant liabilities or workouts that are happening between they've been closed session, then we can specify that.

491
00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:34,970
I would say yeah, maybe suggest commissioner obligations under the brown or something like that.

492
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:38,130
Okay, yeah, so like somewhere.

493
00:34:39,630 --> 00:34:40,410
Let's see.

494
00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:45,080
And another class is always different.

495
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,380
Some I go to a new semicolon.

496
00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:49,200
Or a.

497
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,320
Can you say anything?

498
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:51,620
I'm sorry.

499
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:54,100
Commissioner obligations under the brown.

500
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,440
Can we just add for it to another sentence?

501
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,980
Well, second for him.

502
00:35:00,340 --> 00:35:00,620
Again.

503
00:35:01,340 --> 00:35:05,840
or either audio, slash radio recordings, and any, whatever,

504
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,480
related with stories.

505
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,540
That would be fine.

506
00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:10,640
Thank you.

507
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,160
It was absolutely fine.

508
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,800
I would say, like

509
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:20,790
we just said, it was very interesting.

510
00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:21,930
Thank you.

511
00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:27,450
Thank you for, for commission, for any commission, for any commission

512
00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:28,290
obligations.

513
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:29,390
We didn't grant that.

514
00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:32,130
It's awesome.

515
00:35:34,610 --> 00:35:40,590
I'm interested in changing games around the city attorney expressing the written.

516
00:35:41,570 --> 00:35:48,030
What's the set of see written permission to disclose things to something around.

517
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:52,870
Oh, yes, three.

518
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:53,750
Yeah, three.

519
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:59,810
To something around offensive information, we're going to be disclosed, except that's required

520
00:35:59,810 --> 00:36:05,910
by law, or by commission legal counsel, or discriminatory records custodian, or as

521
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:07,930
otherwise permitted by the commission policy.

522
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:14,150
As of that, it means that I would like, I would be interested in, and I have to see,

523
00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:15,950
turn from the wrong person to society.

524
00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:25,730
And then the second part that I would like to see is that the commission, right now,

525
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:27,610
I wasn't having a meditermination body.

526
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:31,430
I believe it goes to the mayor, right?

527
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:32,530
And so I do that.

528
00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:34,250
The language should reflect that.

529
00:36:34,850 --> 00:36:36,010
That's the reality of things.

530
00:36:41,170 --> 00:36:43,830
So the confidentiality agreement,

531
00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:49,450
we've gave Channis.

532
00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:53,010
Oh, and the confidentiality agreement was wrong.

533
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:55,710
No, no, no, no.

534
00:36:55,710 --> 00:36:56,590
So it's staying.

535
00:36:56,830 --> 00:36:57,670
You're in a termination.

536
00:36:57,850 --> 00:36:58,810
Oh, immediate termination.

537
00:36:59,330 --> 00:36:59,430
Yes.

538
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:01,590
The last pair, immediate.

539
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:03,870
I don't understand.

540
00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:04,370
Does it?

541
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:05,310
That what it was meant?

542
00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:07,550
A commission with fails.

543
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:09,650
And then after the head struck me.

544
00:37:09,850 --> 00:37:10,070
Oh, yeah.

545
00:37:10,330 --> 00:37:12,050
And then you wanted to ask for a record.

546
00:37:12,610 --> 00:37:13,110
Was good.

547
00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:15,070
So this is right.

548
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:17,650
When the second paragraph we're going to add all the precautions.

549
00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:20,490
Like under all the codes that we're not even.

550
00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:20,930
That's just.

551
00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:21,990
I mean, this.

552
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:25,690
So you think that would be public record or available for.

553
00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:39,390
public record would be available for discussion. Yes, I think we need to talk about this immediate

554
00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:45,710
termination because we brought up a valid point there because if I did what we should say is

555
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:52,400
recommendation to the city council for immediate termination or something like that because we can't do it.

556
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:01,480
Yeah, so the language would be,

557
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,440
if I have a disagreement,

558
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:07,100
will constitute a recommendation?

559
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,300
Grounds for the recommendation, yeah.

560
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,500
To grant for the recommendation.

561
00:38:14,730 --> 00:38:17,210
To the City Council for the immediate termination.

562
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:23,380
I think we should just run a moving meeting because

563
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:25,160
by the time we take it to Council,

564
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,040
it's an early meeting,

565
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:27,300
we'll get on the agenda.

566
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,540
We can take the sweets to get on the agenda.

567
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:39,040
So cost two rounds, one recommendation to city council, or termination.

568
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,300
Okay.

569
00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:51,880
Are you keeping track of all the changes?

570
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,280
Because I'd like to hear the whole thing read before we vote.

571
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:56,880
Because there's several things that you want to say.

572
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:57,360
Yes.

573
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:58,520
I have two.

574
00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:59,360
I think I need to go.

575
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:00,300
Three.

576
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:04,620
Or I need to go back to yours with the city attorney.

577
00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:08,240
you write something really beautifully. Could you give them an entrance?

578
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,100
Sure.

579
00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:11,640
You said, agreed, and they can have a challenge.

580
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:18,040
So, we're not divulged, we're just going to get to anyone for any purpose without expressing

581
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:18,960
consent.

582
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,200
And we're giving the three not four.

583
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:28,020
So we just need to get the ass sentence, yeah.

584
00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:33,340
And we can sign, understand, and the three not to disclose.

585
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,240
Yeah.

586
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:34,280
Yeah.

587
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:41,240
So I guess where it starts with, especially on the rise, confidential information may not

588
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:50,060
be disclosed as required by law, as authorized by the Commission's legal counsel, disignate

589
00:39:50,060 --> 00:39:59,100
a record or disignate a record still in it, or as otherwise permitted by adopted Commission

590
00:39:59,100 --> 00:39:59,740
policy.

591
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:10,580
adopted and she calls the commission policy.

592
00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:13,820
What would be an example of that adopted?

593
00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:17,260
It's not only concerned, but it needs to be something that's within the law.

594
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:23,380
I'm wondering, for example, seeing other commissions and statements on like a

595
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:30,340
billing viral or a sudden face to the public, just stating that they would be doing a fair

596
00:40:30,340 --> 00:40:38,460
and partial investigation, for example, and that's all for the record for the community to know

597
00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:43,980
that the commission's handling this, that they're going to be investigating and thoroughly and that

598
00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:50,880
it's going to go through a fair process. So we don't have a policy like that, but I've seen

599
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,520
other issues exactly. That's one example. I don't know if other folks have other examples.

600
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:03,580
I guess the picture of that letter which is if you could adopt a policy author as a release

601
00:41:03,580 --> 00:41:12,280
of a control formation and to the extent that policy passed under this non-scosure agreement

602
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:19,120
you were able to release information violation of law without any consequences.

603
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,540
But if you press, if you put more, what's the net?

604
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,420
And would it get any state to go through our legal counsel?

605
00:41:27,820 --> 00:41:29,940
It has to be approved to go to the legal counsel.

606
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,460
So we're liable for making that.

607
00:41:34,180 --> 00:41:35,140
Well, yeah.

608
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,460
If you're really does matter, but it's disjunctive.

609
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,620
So it's four.

610
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,760
So if you do one, two, three, or four,

611
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,400
or anyone of the four options

612
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,360
would present a vibe of that to the same information.

613
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:57,340
So if it's in fact a contingent policy

614
00:41:57,340 --> 00:42:00,180
that authorizes the release of confidential information,

615
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,520
you could hang your hat on that hook, as we say,

616
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:06,880
to release what is otherwise confidential information.

617
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,380
So the only way to kind of soften

618
00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:18,000
and the IPAL Sea of the Commission item, the fourth one,

619
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,000
would be to make it conjured, which I think

620
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,400
throws the whole thing out the window, which is one, two,

621
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,220
and three, man, four, which is, it becomes

622
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:29,640
a student's student's dream.

623
00:42:31,220 --> 00:42:33,420
I mean, that seems like a lot of hooch to go through.

624
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,580
Comshire, Engle, and Lawson, and then Hextreme.

625
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:39,240
Oh, sorry.

626
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:39,940
OK.

627
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,120
So my question is about the need for this particular change.

628
00:42:46,340 --> 00:42:52,640
Like are we mentioning a situation because it currently has written, it says, except when

629
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,060
I was the right person, I was the author, it's used to in writing by the city, it's

630
00:42:56,060 --> 00:42:56,420
not this.

631
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,960
Which then gives us that legal covering that I hate when we're told to do that, thanks for

632
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:01,040
it.

633
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:08,540
Are we mentioning a situation where the city attorney office disagrees with us and says we

634
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:10,260
People do not keep you that blanket covered.

635
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,720
You need to have some other blanket.

636
00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:16,740
Just, I mean, in regard to me, we should create that.

637
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,500
I don't know how you feel comfortable.

638
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:23,580
Personally, I'm a personal liability on the line

639
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:26,180
against the advice council.

640
00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:29,120
Like, I prefer to have it, you know.

641
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,020
Again, I prefer to have it, I prefer to have that advice

642
00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:33,960
and also having the writing.

643
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,260
So I know a couple of engineers.

644
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:48,200
So, for example, if required by law, I don't want to have to go and get permission to do something that I'm required to do by law.

645
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,840
I don't think the city attorney's office needs to tell me that it's okay to do that.

646
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,600
So, I think we don't, I like adding that.

647
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,560
And then I don't know about the custodial records part.

648
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:02,140
Can you give an example of how that would work?

649
00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:06,980
What do we need to get that approved by the city attorney?

650
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:07,880
Because I don't think required.

651
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:10,880
I don't think we need to inherit the city attorney.

652
00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:14,540
But prove us to do something that's, you know, we have to.

653
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:17,400
Report the laws also a little bit subject interpretation.

654
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:20,120
And that's a thing I'm concerned that some people may have.

655
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,680
And want to at least run it by the commission in turning it the very least.

656
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:45,670
I think it's an example of different bodies within the city that hold that responsibility.

657
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,360
But it's probably not.

658
00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:54,720
If it's enough just to have commissions legal counsel in the card by law.

659
00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:57,820
Or if we adopt a policy as commission.

660
00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:59,980
You

661
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:30,220
I think they're saying that the part about adapting a policy as a commission is not viable. If they're in the right situation, two advice and a big limitation of imagination here, but in a win-win, you might be required to buy a law to release what could be confidential information. The only thing I think of is if you were to vote or if you were subpoenaed. And both of those cases,

662
00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:32,680
is, you should most certainly know men

663
00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:34,540
the city and church is on this.

664
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,660
So I tend to agree with the sentiment

665
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:44,880
that it's kind of a sure-fire attack yourself

666
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,900
if you just seek legal counsel advice,

667
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:49,600
because then we can advise us to whether

668
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,560
it is back to root fire in the good law that we're on.

669
00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:57,480
Yeah, it's a stressful job on our half for that reason

670
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,860
because we also become with these determinations

671
00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:03,900
as to compliance or violations.

672
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:14,760
So I think that the quality of seeking legal counsels say, if you ever have any questions,

673
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:16,900
please always reach out to legal counsel.

674
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:28,180
So what happens if we have an issue with the legal counsel that we think they need some

675
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:28,820
I mean, a deal.

676
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,960
But you can't play with that.

677
00:46:33,220 --> 00:46:34,960
There's a lot more situation where

678
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:39,320
person you're seeking advice from is no longer trustworthy,

679
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,460
but it's something that you do.

680
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,960
I'm just pulling out a hypothetical situation

681
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,300
where you don't want.

682
00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:48,380
So I guess that would require going to someone else

683
00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:50,620
in the city of Teresa office or how would that work?

684
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,640
Yeah, you know, if there's ever a concern

685
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,520
with the legal counsel that you have,

686
00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:57,800
I mean, myself, you could always move in

687
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,200
and these areas are currently having concerns.

688
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,400
It may have turned to Shannon Moore,

689
00:47:02,180 --> 00:47:04,100
and to put her on the other side of the issue

690
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:07,880
of the concern and the issue of a certain rate of assault

691
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,800
and review.

692
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:19,080
We don't take concerns or issues in that regard,

693
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,580
so if there are any issues or any perspective issues,

694
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:25,480
can we have any more certainly review it?

695
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:27,160
Are we on top of it right now?

696
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,440
And if we're talking about something else and I just want to keep us so good and do it.

697
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:41,160
I was asking about that when we say city attorney does it mean that it has to be our legal

698
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,520
move about the one where the said message is so it doesn't get us to stop.

699
00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:50,340
My recommendation would be to keep it to the city attorney's office for the commission and turn.

700
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,360
So you have two options to go to to clarify.

701
00:47:53,360 --> 00:48:10,920
5. So we can add or the question or the submission. And I think that covered up that war is a final right? Yeah, I mean, we tend to kind of describe the two same function, but did reaching the 2's.

702
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:20,400
Okay. Yes. Can you read what we have so far just so we can. Yes, and we'll program it.

703
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:28,880
Yeah. So the first paragraph stays completely the same. It's on public record. It's in

704
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:36,600
our document. I'm not going to read it. Is that okay, Huxrin? Yeah, okay. The second paragraph,

705
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:44,240
it will be confidential information includes piece officer records, personnel records, protecting

706
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:54,340
under penal code, I'm going to move, 8-3-2.7-8-3-2.8,

707
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:59,320
semicolon information governed by the piece of access bill of rights,

708
00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:13,500
under government code 33-0-3-3-3, semicolon, including and not limited to internal affairs materials, criminal investigations, body one, camera,

709
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:27,480
semi-colon, other audio video recordings, semi-colon and commissioners and commissioners

710
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,320
obligations under the grant.

711
00:49:33,090 --> 00:49:36,450
That's the second paragraph, yeah. I don't think

712
00:49:36,450 --> 00:49:40,090
there's a semi-colon at their body-worn cameras because I think it's body-worn

713
00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:47,550
camera or other audio video recordings. That's one thing. Okay, it's a word of words in there.

714
00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:54,930
Okay. Before the new clause. And then the new clause. It will be the summer code. Yes. Okay. Perfect. Thank you.

715
00:49:55,350 --> 00:50:07,130
And then move to third paragraph. Shifting from I agree to I understand Annie Carey not to disclose

716
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:10,670
those released or share confidential information that segment

717
00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:16,770
expressed authorized to do so in writing by the City Attorney's Office, or

718
00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:19,510
commissioners' council.

719
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,480
That won't be the end of that. That was when there's

720
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,040
commission council. Yeah, commission and commission council, either way is fine.

721
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:34,130
So we're not leaving. We took out the required by law, said this required by law.

722
00:50:35,290 --> 00:50:36,910
I haven't got to an extent.

723
00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:40,890
So we didn't include that addition?

724
00:50:41,230 --> 00:50:41,670
Oh, no.

725
00:50:42,010 --> 00:50:43,510
So where was that?

726
00:50:44,070 --> 00:50:47,630
That was one of the recommended additions that we pulled back on.

727
00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:48,510
Yeah, we pulled.

728
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:49,170
I thought we did.

729
00:50:49,450 --> 00:50:49,750
Yeah, you know.

730
00:50:49,850 --> 00:50:51,110
Because the installation.

731
00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:51,730
Yeah.

732
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:52,550
Yeah.

733
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:53,850
It's a brand new unit.

734
00:50:54,190 --> 00:50:55,850
It would be the definitions.

735
00:50:56,850 --> 00:50:56,990
Well,

736
00:50:59,010 --> 00:51:06,430
So, we'll be by the city and for your office for the commissions from, or you want to

737
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:07,290
tell me?

738
00:51:07,350 --> 00:51:09,510
The commission's legal counsel.

739
00:51:09,730 --> 00:51:09,910
Okay.

740
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:12,170
The commission's legal counsel.

741
00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:23,410
The next sentence stays the same.

742
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:28,870
We are removing the entire board for paragraph.

743
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:36,390
The final paragraph, I understand in a way that I'm failure to comply with this agreement

744
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:44,170
will constitute grounds for the recommendation to city council for a termination of my position

745
00:51:44,170 --> 00:51:46,550
as a commissioner of the CPRC.

746
00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:52,940
Should we specify where's going to the

747
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,480
additionally? I think that's the facility will come into the bylaws. I mean, okay,

748
00:51:58,580 --> 00:52:02,300
we've done that. I'm sure if I have, which is going to draw out the entire process. Okay,

749
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:03,100
I don't like that.

750
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:03,820
No.

751
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:04,640
Okay.

752
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:05,700
Going to the mayor.

753
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,280
It has to have been a mayor.

754
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,500
That's recruitment on that.

755
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:09,780
Um.

756
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Councilor, is that.

757
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:13,440
Is that.

758
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,220
Can you get all that?

759
00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:14,740
Yeah.

760
00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:17,820
I also agree with the.

761
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:19,000
That was the second.

762
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:21,720
The last six, which is a.

763
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,180
In terms of enforcement.

764
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,140
The body has contemplated that.

765
00:52:25,420 --> 00:52:25,660
Yeah.

766
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:26,660
And I wouldn't like.

767
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:27,680
Just for folks to know.

768
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,820
Would like this to be institutionalized.

769
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:30,480
In the.

770
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:31,660
Or intimate as well.

771
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:32,280
So when we.

772
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:41,400
bring them back. The biolosses are short-term, you know, short-term goal for us to move this through

773
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,460
with to hold each other accountable, but then for us to institutionalize it, it should be changed

774
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:52,200
should or it's amendment itself. So both will be coming back in May. Commissioner Losses.

775
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,340
I think we haven't known any more about that.

776
00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:54,760
No.

777
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:57,260
No one there is changing that.

778
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,100
I think it's sessions.

779
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,440
This sounds not.

780
00:52:59,740 --> 00:53:00,220
Hold on a minute.

781
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:01,040
Hold on a minute.

782
00:53:01,220 --> 00:53:01,620
Sorry.

783
00:53:01,820 --> 00:53:02,460
That is only a chance.

784
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:04,680
You know what?

785
00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:06,100
We didn't know what number had been for.

786
00:53:06,340 --> 00:53:06,940
That would be a chance.

787
00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:08,880
It doesn't matter if there was no other

788
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:10,720
Allen's work there in your end.

789
00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:11,480
Yes.

790
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:12,100
Okay.

791
00:53:12,460 --> 00:53:13,680
I'm still working on your end.

792
00:53:14,420 --> 00:53:14,580
Yes.

793
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,060
Okay.

794
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:15,740
Okay.

795
00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:16,720
I'll entertain an emotion.

796
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:21,200
So I move that you include the confidentiality

797
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,820
confidentiality in the members' blood agreement as I'm in

798
00:53:23,820 --> 00:53:26,000
differently to review by the chat.

799
00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:27,000
Oh, it's okay.

800
00:53:29,860 --> 00:53:30,000
No.

801
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:30,820
Sorry.

802
00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:32,360
You think so?

803
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:33,100
We'll go ahead and go.

804
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,320
It's a roll call.

805
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,100
So we'll start when Chair can soon.

806
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:37,700
Yes.

807
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:39,520
Vice Chair Flores.

808
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Yes.

809
00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:41,880
Commissioner Engel.

810
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:42,320
Yes.

811
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:43,680
Commissioner Hakesdram.

812
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:44,080
Yes.

813
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:45,400
Commissioner Jackson.

814
00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:46,040
Yes.

815
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:47,440
Commissioner Lawson.

816
00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:47,820
Yes.

817
00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:48,940
Commissioner Martinez.

818
00:53:49,460 --> 00:53:49,640
Yes.

819
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,080
Commissioner Bonit.

820
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:52,180
Yes.

821
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:59,520
commissioners. The missioners fell it. Yes, excuse me. So we're voting to approve the confidentiality

822
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:06,820
and non-disposure agreement. The motion has passed. Thank you very much. We'll be moving in

823
00:54:06,820 --> 00:54:12,760
to the discussion and vote on the CPRC viral amendment, adding an organizational affiliation

824
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,880
that's burdened to your amendment for the commissioners. I'll have to approve the submission and

825
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,380
and feet to introduce, then we'll go into clarifying questions, publishing them in the

826
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:21,760
session.

827
00:54:27,620 --> 00:54:31,740
I'm probably going to give them a little bit of that in the recent phase.

828
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:56,880
Oh,

829
00:54:59,570 --> 00:55:07,010
yeah, so I need for follow-in to the mission of transparency, or the vision of affiliation

830
00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:08,710
just folder. We've got our lab.

831
00:55:11,530 --> 00:55:16,090
That's what we want to do. I'm going to read on. Yeah, so

832
00:55:16,090 --> 00:55:21,650
that's in this division. Transparent. We all have a affiliation disposal and orders of

833
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:26,950
remote transparency and maintain public funds. We've commissioned our community one. Holy

834
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:33,370
community committee to disclose in leadership role for service. Our affiliation and organization

835
00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:38,090
of policing, public safety, and it can see my policy matters.

836
00:55:38,730 --> 00:55:43,250
For purposes of this state, an ablation pulls formal interest in the roles of that membership,

837
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:47,190
advisory conditions, volunteer leadership, board service, employment,

838
00:55:47,570 --> 00:55:50,310
consulting relationships, or any other bond with the rigid commissioner,

839
00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:56,310
participant efforts, leadership, advocacy, or policy work for the organization

840
00:55:56,310 --> 00:55:59,590
related to policing, public safety, or criminal justice management.

841
00:56:00,390 --> 00:56:06,630
So, such enclosures should be provided at the time of appointing our reinforcements in the commission annually thereafter,

842
00:56:07,170 --> 00:56:11,030
where matters before the commission may be recently related to an organization which,

843
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:15,570
with which a commission is affiliated, the enclosures still be made public,

844
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:18,570
even taken upon the submission of the commission's official records,

845
00:56:19,090 --> 00:56:24,050
important to applicant transparency over the being departments of the city of Virginia County Board.

846
00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:28,690
And I think in this exercise of preventing commissioners from participating in the mission activities

847
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:33,370
unless otherwise required by law applicable with the interest of regulations.

848
00:56:34,750 --> 00:56:39,490
Adapted in quotation, this membership can affect the final approval by majority of both the

849
00:56:39,490 --> 00:56:40,710
commission and it is.

850
00:56:40,930 --> 00:56:45,090
Dolly noted public meeting, a fire voucher and the membership will be incorporated to the

851
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:50,030
official bylaws of the community public report review commission, meaning maintain as part

852
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:52,370
of the commission's governing documents.

853
00:56:55,090 --> 00:56:58,970
questions. Any clarifying questions?

854
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:12,660
Yes. I think that when you say related to policing,

855
00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:20,520
public safety, advocacy or policy matters. Advocacy could be anything. I think you want

856
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:28,940
I want to make sure that the somehow focused on matters related to what we do, so policing.

857
00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:30,000
I'm so sorry.

858
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:30,660
Go ahead.

859
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:31,220
Yeah.

860
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:34,400
That sounds like sort of a substitute type of argument.

861
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,540
We should get into action.

862
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,500
Okay.

863
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:38,000
Okay.

864
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,900
I mean, clarifying questions on the list.

865
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:48,300
I mean, I think clarifying questions from Commissioner Lawson sort of remains for me.

866
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:52,040
the clarification I would see is there an emergency

867
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,300
will benefit to this list of organizations,

868
00:57:54,780 --> 00:57:58,260
would this cover any organization you put in

869
00:57:58,260 --> 00:57:59,940
volunteers here was essentially,

870
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,320
so they all sort of advocate something.

871
00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:03,960
Those are the latest policies,

872
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,140
but would they mark the one on Justice Manage?

873
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,240
Yeah, but the line that Commissioner Lawson was asking

874
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,240
about is the last nine of the first paragraph that says

875
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,960
affiliations with organizations related to

876
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,160
for me, St. Romana,

877
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,060
Publicity, please comment,

878
00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:24,100
advocacy for more policy matters

879
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:25,360
and that we're being

880
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,740
the extension of everything

881
00:58:27,340 --> 00:58:28,980
except for all of the people at parties.

882
00:58:29,860 --> 00:58:32,160
So that would mean that you're saying

883
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,700
an organization related to advocacy.

884
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:35,120
Yeah.

885
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:36,560
Any type of that.

886
00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:37,820
He's not going to eat advocacy.

887
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:39,580
So you're saying you're full of transparency.

888
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:41,520
OK, so you're saying it wouldn't be

889
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,700
just police matter,

890
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:43,880
you're not going to be out of the city.

891
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,100
So how do you eat that, for example?

892
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:47,020
Yeah, almost this.

893
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:49,120
A flower there.

894
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:49,780
Yeah.

895
00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:51,500
That's a big clarifying question.

896
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:52,400
Okay.

897
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:55,360
And any other clarifying questions?

898
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:56,500
Now that we understand.

899
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:58,540
Is that it's any advocacy?

900
00:58:59,560 --> 00:58:59,780
Okay.

901
00:59:00,140 --> 00:59:00,980
Let's go ahead and have a comment.

902
00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:02,060
Okay.

903
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,080
This time we're going to move into public comment.

904
00:59:04,220 --> 00:59:05,800
This is going to be for new business.

905
00:59:06,060 --> 00:59:06,580
I B.

906
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,660
We have our first public comment here in person.

907
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:10,140
Cordell.

908
00:59:10,140 --> 00:59:11,020
Henry Cordell.

909
00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:13,260
Do you have two minutes to speak?

910
00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:15,760
I think you made the game.

911
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:20,820
Thank you Nicole, so getting here and getting care, and to a commissioner that worked

912
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:22,760
at Cornell and remember the Richard Redness.

913
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,460
So, thank you as commissioner of that view for this grand design and board.

914
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:33,160
As everybody's meeting for a long time, I really know how outline, you know, like the

915
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:39,260
being transparent because everything is like a kind of whole line, she pointed out.

916
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,500
So I don't know if I can go到底.

917
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:44,780
that I think it looks, how it is, is that it depends

918
00:59:44,780 --> 00:59:46,760
on what the outcome is, for the information.

919
00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:49,740
So, if whether you're not to vote on it or not,

920
00:59:50,180 --> 00:59:51,120
that's a key wall.

921
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,200
So, with that, I will give my time to Lisa Thompson.

922
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:56,760
Thank you for the animal.

923
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,860
So, for who wants to come in on time.

924
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,560
We have another hearing person, Oscar Garcia. You'll have two minutes to speak and you may begin. Thank you. Once again, I'll start our

925
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,520
CF, which is like Long Richardson resident.

926
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:15,060
I and others have stated in multiple CPRC meetings

927
01:00:15,060 --> 01:00:17,920
that Marisol can't do regarding Martinez.

928
01:00:18,580 --> 01:00:21,160
Made over $10,000 from reimagined Richmond

929
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,960
for their most recent reforms, 700 forms.

930
01:00:24,660 --> 01:00:27,740
The CPRC ordinance clearly states that missions

931
01:00:27,740 --> 01:00:30,100
are not to be paid while serving on commission.

932
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,880
I also find it troubling that in June of 2024,

933
01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:36,600
are the reimagined Richmond task force,

934
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,440
Marisol Cantu did not disclose her income on reimagined Richmond.

935
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:48,500
Yet a few months later she disclosed her reimagined Richmond income once she was part of the CPRC.

936
01:00:49,220 --> 01:00:53,780
This seems to indicate that Marisol was paid by reimagined Richmond to join the commission.

937
01:00:54,540 --> 01:01:00,360
I also recommend documenting that Floyd Andrews was part of the Richmond Progressive Alliance

938
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:07,000
along with commissioners Carlin Martinez, Dan Lawson, and Marisol Cantu. Thank you.

939
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:08,120
Thank you.

940
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:18,240
We'll go ahead and move on to public comment that we have online or first speakers. Lisa, you'll have two minutes to speak and you may begin.

941
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:25,620
Good evening commissioners. I want to thank Commissioner Menifee for bringing forward this item.

942
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:34,940
The CPRC application clearly states that applicants are to disclose all fraternal and

943
01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:37,240
or civic organizations to which they belong.

944
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,260
A failure to disclose this represents a failure on the applicants part, as well as the

945
01:01:43,260 --> 01:01:47,560
mayor's office in reviewing it when they interview the candidates.

946
01:01:48,460 --> 01:01:54,780
A fraternal organization is defined as a group that is formed based on a common bond as with

947
01:01:54,780 --> 01:02:02,900
social or academic interests. A civic organization is defined as a community-based group, club, committee,

948
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:09,600
corporation, or any other group of people acting in concert, which is composed of people who are

949
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:18,540
members thereof on a voluntary basis. What is lacking in this item and is much needed is that applicants

950
01:02:18,540 --> 01:02:23,300
and chosen commissioners should have to reveal who pays them.

951
01:02:24,420 --> 01:02:30,460
You are forbidden from taking money to serve on a commission or board in the city of Richmond.

952
01:02:31,140 --> 01:02:33,500
You cannot be paid to be on that board or commission.

953
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:43,760
And there are clear examples of it being not transparent when members on this commission

954
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:50,990
belong to reimagine Richmond and are paid and it's very difficult to say that you are

955
01:02:50,990 --> 01:02:53,690
not serving on that commission as part of that paid role.

956
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:58,430
That's a violation of the ordinance and it's a violation of city policy.

957
01:02:59,670 --> 01:03:05,310
And until this commission actually addresses this, just saying that your member of a fraternal

958
01:03:05,310 --> 01:03:10,570
organization or civic organization does not go far enough and I sincerely hope that Commissioner

959
01:03:10,570 --> 01:03:12,890
or another commissioner will make an amendment

960
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:16,170
to this item tonight or to bring forward a future item.

961
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:18,530
That demands that commissioners reveal

962
01:03:18,530 --> 01:03:20,810
not just their organizations, but who pays them.

963
01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:21,630
Thank you.

964
01:03:25,290 --> 01:03:25,710
Lisa?

965
01:03:29,950 --> 01:03:32,370
Okay, our next speaker is seeing me for this item.

966
01:03:32,590 --> 01:03:33,330
It's going to be Benjamin.

967
01:03:33,550 --> 01:03:34,990
You'll have two minutes to see.

968
01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:36,830
Please, you may begin.

969
01:03:40,210 --> 01:03:42,830
Bentary of President of the Richmond Police Officers Association.

970
01:03:45,390 --> 01:03:48,570
Not very surprised at hearing some of these things.

971
01:03:48,570 --> 01:03:54,970
Unless it's nothing new to us and this is why the police officers don't consider the

972
01:03:54,970 --> 01:04:00,730
Commission a legitimate body or a legitimate part of the process and this is the issue

973
01:04:00,730 --> 01:04:01,310
that we have.

974
01:04:03,020 --> 01:04:10,610
It is, it's for me, concerning, that, and it's here's this kind of credibility and then

975
01:04:10,610 --> 01:04:16,430
the events of the CDRC that, you know, Commissioners applicants are those who are, you know,

976
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:20,250
You know, in this body are being funded, supported, or politically backed by

977
01:04:20,250 --> 01:04:26,250
active organizations with the existing agenda, the police department, and the

978
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:28,730
public has right to know that and how much they get paid and all that.

979
01:04:29,290 --> 01:04:33,750
People will risk when to serve transparency, real transparency, and they deserve to

980
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:36,510
know when individuals serving on this commission are really independent decision

981
01:04:36,510 --> 01:04:39,570
makers or whether they're connected to organizations that are hard to

982
01:04:39,570 --> 01:04:42,990
make up their mind about police officers, the incidents they're involved in, and

983
01:04:42,990 --> 01:04:45,030
the outcomes before any evidence is actually reviewed.

984
01:04:45,030 --> 01:04:52,230
We have raised this concern at Nazim, and I don't expect people who are bought and paid

985
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:57,290
forward to care about that, but it is an issue that is going to have to be raised into

986
01:04:57,290 --> 01:05:02,990
the public light, because oversight is supposed to be fair, it's not supposed to be an ideological

987
01:05:02,990 --> 01:05:11,930
project, it's not supposed to be a platform political activist, it's supposed to be a system

988
01:05:11,930 --> 01:05:20,990
where it is fair and speaks for the community so that's what we need to have the POA and

989
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:25,290
officers and sergeants you know again we think the way we think because of the issues

990
01:05:25,290 --> 01:05:27,790
that continue to plague this commission thank you.

991
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:42,200
If there are no other public comments at this time online this will conclude public comment

992
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:42,880
for this item.

993
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:44,260
Thank you very much.

994
01:05:44,260 --> 01:05:47,380
Okay, so now I'm moving into the discussion and both.

995
01:05:49,230 --> 01:05:51,210
Yes, Mr. Flores?

996
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:58,890
So, first and foremost, I do support transparency and support and disclosure.

997
01:05:59,890 --> 01:06:02,570
No international conflicts of interest are there.

998
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:09,250
I think that just a general report is based on treating the felonetional organization or immediately.

999
01:06:09,630 --> 01:06:13,410
I've been a meteorologist since 1999.

1000
01:06:14,090 --> 01:06:17,750
and it doesn't mean that I can't not be biased.

1001
01:06:18,070 --> 01:06:20,270
It doesn't mean that I don't know how to weigh facts fairly.

1002
01:06:20,690 --> 01:06:21,690
I don't know how to follow the law.

1003
01:06:21,830 --> 01:06:22,750
I know how to do all those.

1004
01:06:23,150 --> 01:06:25,330
But this is making it seem like people

1005
01:06:25,330 --> 01:06:27,490
that are advocates, committee organizers,

1006
01:06:28,070 --> 01:06:30,990
or even organizations that may have issues

1007
01:06:30,990 --> 01:06:32,890
or trying to hold police accountable

1008
01:06:32,890 --> 01:06:34,310
that they cannot be fair.

1009
01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:37,250
And I think that, at least since I've been here

1010
01:06:37,250 --> 01:06:39,610
and I've made the two police investigations,

1011
01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:42,350
I've been seeing that come up at any time.

1012
01:06:42,350 --> 01:06:47,490
So yeah, so I think it's it's a problematic on the general board.

1013
01:06:51,550 --> 01:06:55,190
On the second, on the last page.

1014
01:06:56,250 --> 01:06:57,830
My name is Harold.

1015
01:06:58,110 --> 01:07:09,890
So you're being one of the first paragraph I was confused about the part where it says advocacy or policy matters I know it's now here.

1016
01:07:09,890 --> 01:07:17,970
It has a specific disclosure of requirements on the last page, and there it does say that

1017
01:07:17,970 --> 01:07:26,210
each of this flows anything that relates to, you know, it has a more nuanced explanation.

1018
01:07:27,450 --> 01:07:34,270
And so advocacy organizations relating to policing or justice reform, that's I've never been.

1019
01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:45,250
So that's a separate attack, yes, so the two different lines, oh okay, so we can pick

1020
01:07:45,250 --> 01:07:45,530
them.

1021
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:51,170
Yeah, is that how those, the idea is that the big one because I think this one's a little

1022
01:07:51,170 --> 01:07:57,650
more clear about what specific things and I also want to say the commissioner for us that

1023
01:07:58,390 --> 01:08:03,330
if you need to say these are in part of an organization, that to me does not necessarily

1024
01:08:03,330 --> 01:08:08,690
we mean that I think that you are biased in hearing if you're part of an organization

1025
01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:12,010
that is in favor of criminal justice reform.

1026
01:08:12,610 --> 01:08:17,710
And so I don't think that there should be a problem of listening if you actually are

1027
01:08:17,710 --> 01:08:26,430
a member of that organization of SensorLinks, which is my long-standing and then a question

1028
01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:26,690
page.

1029
01:08:28,790 --> 01:08:38,090
Yeah, it's one point out that what was brought up by, I think, every one of the public

1030
01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:46,810
speakers was that there hadn't been already transparent dispositions of financial interests

1031
01:08:46,810 --> 01:08:50,090
and organizational affiliations.

1032
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:56,270
And I understand that depending on your political viewpoint, you might not be happy that somebody

1033
01:08:56,270 --> 01:09:01,270
else is a member of some people you don't agree with, but the fact is that you know

1034
01:09:01,270 --> 01:09:08,330
that their members had room because of what it was. And so it sounds like this is an effort

1035
01:09:08,330 --> 01:09:12,950
to sort of like sort of produce people for their affiliations with groups that they've already

1036
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:19,310
exposed, you know, to some allies, make them, you know, like continue to refurbishially repeat

1037
01:09:19,310 --> 01:09:23,610
their affiliation with them as if they've done something wrong, but they've already spoken.

1038
01:09:26,030 --> 01:09:31,670
Yeah, that was my question, if you just for understanding was, if there was already like

1039
01:09:31,670 --> 01:09:38,510
the reforms of a conflict, and when you do reapply their application, if there are those

1040
01:09:38,510 --> 01:09:49,410
two public records, this was like, I would say, I just wanted to ask if there was any difference.

1041
01:09:52,610 --> 01:10:05,170
And so it would go further and then that commissioner Engel and sorry, okay, and yes, we

1042
01:10:05,170 --> 01:10:10,370
was disclosed during the application process and that's posted on the City Council of

1043
01:10:10,370 --> 01:10:10,450
Gen.

1044
01:10:10,510 --> 01:10:11,630
Is that where it would have been disclosed?

1045
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:12,590
No.

1046
01:10:12,590 --> 01:10:14,950
And that's 4-700, just a couple of minutes.

1047
01:10:15,210 --> 01:10:15,950
I mean, maybe 2-5.

1048
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:20,180
And the commission action.

1049
01:10:21,660 --> 01:10:23,740
So I'm a favor of transparency.

1050
01:10:24,260 --> 01:10:26,560
And I don't see why it should be a problem

1051
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,200
to disclose that part of the organization,

1052
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:31,160
if we are part of the organization.

1053
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,260
So it's not okay.

1054
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:39,080
So someone can tell me why there is a reason to not disclose it,

1055
01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:44,000
then I don't hear any arguments against it.

1056
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:52,280
I was going to find out, also, as was brought up by Commissioner Stextram and Engel,

1057
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:59,900
when we were going through my questions, is that this, what I think the proposed here

1058
01:10:59,900 --> 01:11:08,480
actually is overly broad in terms of like any organization that's related to advocacy

1059
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,740
or policy matters is included in this.

1060
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:17,260
And so like, you know, like I think it's pretty much every organization we've done that exists, you know

1061
01:11:17,260 --> 01:11:22,660
So like if you didn't disclose that you remember the path for the democratic party or that you signed a union card

1062
01:11:22,660 --> 01:11:28,520
It worked or whatever you know like now like you've done something wrong. Like it doesn't it seems like

1063
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:38,880
Overleading pieces and especially since all the like the appropriate disclosure to sounds like I've already made and and discussed and known by the public

1064
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:46,560
I was building on what I think Commissioner Wilson is saying in response to the question

1065
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:51,380
I hear from Commissioner Hextramal, no correct to defend this interpreting that I think

1066
01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:57,040
that we all agree transparency is an inherent good, but we also agree that confidentiality

1067
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:03,000
sometimes is very good as we've just passed amendments trying to protect important stakeholders

1068
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,220
confidentiality.

1069
01:12:04,940 --> 01:12:11,200
So for me, yes, obviously, we want a lot of things to be transparent, and we also want

1070
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:12,580
some things to be called fashion.

1071
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:15,520
And a extra moment of anything.

1072
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,140
Okay, so if I have two things to say for some, Dan, there's a second.

1073
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,100
Well, we're not discussing that one.

1074
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,520
I thought we were discussing both of them to try to play the very best part of which.

1075
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:48,420
So I think this looks more clear, and it doesn't, it's not over yet, and as far as transparency, the reason we are not, we are confidentiality is because we are legally required to.

1076
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:55,020
I think we need absolutely as much transparency as we are legally allowed to do.

1077
01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:58,600
And this year's link we allowed to do, so I think we should do it.

1078
01:13:02,380 --> 01:13:05,100
I'll show you how many say I was going to say it.

1079
01:13:05,380 --> 01:13:06,840
Okay. Is there no?

1080
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,500
There's no implication also that this disclosure would be any kind of like

1081
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:14,820
grounds are pushed to get someone off.

1082
01:13:14,900 --> 01:13:18,840
Either it's just transparency for like an extra push for transparency.

1083
01:13:19,780 --> 01:13:21,500
Beyond what's already available to the public.

1084
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:26,510
Just a response to the question.

1085
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:31,890
Like to me, it does seem like there's things like what I don't see in a list of disclosure

1086
01:13:31,890 --> 01:13:38,510
requirements on e-needed replacements, which is something that has come up for commissioners

1087
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:42,550
who have been out of the commission before, is people who have received political donations

1088
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:44,850
from the police unit.

1089
01:13:45,670 --> 01:13:52,290
We help people in the group who have received a check from our POA president of Ontario,

1090
01:13:52,290 --> 01:13:54,530
was signing back in $2,500, here you go.

1091
01:13:55,570 --> 01:13:56,830
And that was not as close to any.

1092
01:13:57,850 --> 01:13:59,850
I mean, to say that was disclosed in terms of, like,

1093
01:13:59,930 --> 01:14:01,630
political data and donations are all disclosed

1094
01:14:01,630 --> 01:14:03,610
in public documents, but it wasn't disclosed

1095
01:14:03,610 --> 01:14:05,890
as any part of our commission disclosed.

1096
01:14:06,210 --> 01:14:07,410
And I don't see that listed here.

1097
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:10,110
And I see that, like, all of the things

1098
01:14:10,110 --> 01:14:12,650
that we are discussing are things that actually have been

1099
01:14:12,650 --> 01:14:13,050
disclosed.

1100
01:14:13,050 --> 01:14:14,370
People do disclose that.

1101
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:17,390
And I think that it's much more problematic for someone

1102
01:14:17,390 --> 01:14:20,410
to be receiving the check for themselves,

1103
01:14:20,410 --> 01:14:27,410
ourselves, you know, for the political, you know, ambitions, and never disclosed with

1104
01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:30,210
that big consideration to have to list something like that.

1105
01:14:30,350 --> 01:14:36,450
We can immediately see if you have any money to any of our checks from organizations,

1106
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:38,310
you can add that in a minute.

1107
01:14:38,670 --> 01:14:42,430
I think that would be a good idea to make or educate that in a minute.

1108
01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:43,690
Add that to the thing as well.

1109
01:14:44,510 --> 01:14:48,810
And I also have a question because it seems to me when we're filling out the

1110
01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:55,610
on occasion to join. People think that we're listing every single one of the organizations.

1111
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:59,970
We're going to. I don't think we're required to list everything. I think the

1112
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:29,980
You know, you list some, I never thought I was required to list everything, you know, part of my neighborhood council, do I need to put that down on the, on the farm unit, when I small of life of the, to be a commissioner? I mean, I didn't know we were required. So, so I'm not certain if, and I think that those are not, you have to look at the agenda report in order to find somebody's application. Yes, you can do that.

1113
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:37,640
but it's a little bit bothersome so I mean I just don't see how this hurts anybody to mean

1114
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:44,860
transmission. That's a really good question so like if somebody is an officer of their local

1115
01:15:44,860 --> 01:15:56,500
neighborhood council or a member of them that mean to my reading of this that would be a non-profit

1116
01:15:56,500 --> 01:15:59,160
other community organizations engaged in public safety issues.

1117
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:00,240
Yes.

1118
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:01,640
So their worship is going to be?

1119
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:01,760
Yes.

1120
01:16:03,180 --> 01:16:08,220
And so if you didn't disclose it, then being violation of commissioner policies.

1121
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:09,300
Yes.

1122
01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:14,160
Any more discussion?

1123
01:16:14,540 --> 01:16:15,780
Or is there a motion on the table?

1124
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:17,500
I have a question.

1125
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:23,500
Is this on par with other police commissions or is this the one voted beyond?

1126
01:16:25,580 --> 01:16:31,220
I think the one is one of the San Diego has not in similar, I see in the paper, can you look it up?

1127
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,600
I believe that was going to function.

1128
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,880
It's going to be a kind of bio-aubing event.

1129
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,900
But we can add our data bio-aub,

1130
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:51,960
so the capital is there in that information that has this type of bio-aub.

1131
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,760
You know, I love the notion of the top of that. Yeah, I'm not moving.

1132
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:57,680
But I'm pretty sure that they're out there.

1133
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:59,760
If you want to do a good Google search.

1134
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,600
And I would like to move the tables as they should.

1135
01:17:03,860 --> 01:17:06,440
I'm going further on the search or style in the pond.

1136
01:17:07,860 --> 01:17:09,740
Do I understand this policy exists?

1137
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:11,660
Or is there a representative agency?

1138
01:17:12,100 --> 01:17:12,920
I'm going to say the top of that.

1139
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,460
Is there a second for that notion?

1140
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,100
If there's not a second, it's going to die.

1141
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:22,100
No, no. I was.

1142
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,860
You had a different one condition or Martinez. And then Jackson and Sarah's actually remarkable.

1143
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:32,600
So.

1144
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:43,200
I was just interested and I remember when, when,

1145
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:48,140
the condition began to transform and change,

1146
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:58,400
You know, we had like 10, 15, 20 people here, you know, with signs and, you know, just

1147
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,980
saying that is the police for whatever, and I would want to, and I always thought, what

1148
01:18:02,980 --> 01:18:07,120
partners they, you know, because they seem like they were all binds together, they came

1149
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:13,860
from the same resource, and I was wondering if there's, you know, there's anybody in here

1150
01:18:13,860 --> 01:18:23,180
affiliated with the people that all the people that were scared of me, you know, the first, you know, things we get to change in the board.

1151
01:18:25,770 --> 01:18:27,710
You went over the business thing in Milo?

1152
01:18:28,350 --> 01:18:30,590
Yeah, yeah, that was never disclosed.

1153
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:34,210
Excuse me for a question, meaning right now, there's no problem.

1154
01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:46,610
If there's any affiliation with those groups that came here for maybe even one or so,

1155
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:49,410
there's any affiliation.

1156
01:18:49,650 --> 01:18:51,010
Because it seemed like they were all together.

1157
01:18:51,010 --> 01:18:51,290
about the therapy?

1158
01:18:53,010 --> 01:18:53,810
Sure. Mattiness.

1159
01:18:54,490 --> 01:18:56,290
I'm getting tired from the motion too, I'll take a bow.

1160
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:57,770
Oh, I've done that.

1161
01:18:58,030 --> 01:18:59,550
What is the motion?

1162
01:18:59,890 --> 01:19:01,590
Does somebody make the motion? It's your...

1163
01:19:01,590 --> 01:19:03,490
Again, I don't know if you like to make the motion...

1164
01:19:03,490 --> 01:19:06,370
I don't think...

1165
01:19:06,370 --> 01:19:10,150
What if I can't make the motion?

1166
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:13,450
Yes. Because it seems like there's two different things here.

1167
01:19:13,630 --> 01:19:15,230
There's the first one and the second one.

1168
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:16,850
I love the list board.

1169
01:19:17,690 --> 01:19:18,970
You're narrow, yeah.

1170
01:19:18,970 --> 01:19:21,290
that clearer and on their own or focus.

1171
01:19:22,770 --> 01:19:26,170
So I think maybe I would like to request

1172
01:19:26,170 --> 01:19:31,770
that you can pick one or the other at least vote to approve.

1173
01:19:38,260 --> 01:19:39,940
Do you want to table it and come back?

1174
01:19:40,140 --> 01:19:41,080
Yes, I'm going to be more.

1175
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,500
Does my motion, I would like to restate my motion

1176
01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:48,920
and be able to sit here because I was more involved.

1177
01:19:49,580 --> 01:19:50,460
Is there a second?

1178
01:19:50,460 --> 01:19:53,640
If there was a signing, we could vote on it.

1179
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:53,820
Yes.

1180
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,940
I mean, if they also were signing the motion and just needed to choose one.

1181
01:19:59,240 --> 01:19:59,420
Yes.

1182
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,340
So, I mean, if you need to choose one that you want to have a question from home.

1183
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:10,920
You know, you don't think that we should be as transparent as can be, you know?

1184
01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:11,840
I understand.

1185
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:20,800
We should be as honest and as transparent as we can be.

1186
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:27,980
You know, if we, if we, good organization, I mean, we all know, you know,

1187
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:36,500
especially if it pertains to, you know, maybe discriminating against the police

1188
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:41,100
department or being biased in this police department.

1189
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,680
So I think that's how we make our decisions.

1190
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:46,400
I'm going to do a quite good order.

1191
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:47,580
There's a motion on floor.

1192
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:48,400
Do you have a motion?

1193
01:20:48,740 --> 01:20:49,320
Yeah, I like it.

1194
01:20:49,320 --> 01:21:01,020
I do want to allow you to mention about receiving payments from other organizations to the state promotion clearly for the council.

1195
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:05,960
What is your wish? I would like to motion to approve the attack at number two.

1196
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,220
And I'm going to add the decision.

1197
01:21:10,220 --> 01:21:16,160
I did mention a lot of things and it's just called

1198
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:17,940
to a famous one, organizations listed.

1199
01:21:20,210 --> 01:21:21,410
That wasn't what I said.

1200
01:21:21,730 --> 01:21:23,290
Okay, that's your notion, is there a second?

1201
01:21:24,610 --> 01:21:25,130
I'll say it.

1202
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:27,150
Okay, problem, conflict.

1203
01:21:27,710 --> 01:21:27,850
Oh, yeah.

1204
01:21:28,090 --> 01:21:28,530
Sorry.

1205
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:31,430
Could I need to put a statement on that motion tonight?

1206
01:21:31,950 --> 01:21:35,610
Just to direct the commission's attorney

1207
01:21:35,610 --> 01:21:39,550
to incorporate attachment to into the commission's

1208
01:21:39,550 --> 01:21:46,490
Because I think where it goes could be material, I think we should be done by.

1209
01:21:47,050 --> 01:21:49,450
So the motion is to grant the council.

1210
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:50,090
Yes.

1211
01:21:51,310 --> 01:21:51,770
Which one?

1212
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:52,170
Yeah.

1213
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:53,390
We'll be standing up side.

1214
01:21:53,790 --> 01:21:54,070
Okay.

1215
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:58,650
So we want to commission to a full attention number two.

1216
01:21:59,130 --> 01:22:07,490
And by law of the schools are payment received from any organization or board or on our family.

1217
01:22:07,490 --> 01:22:14,630
I can keep on saying that you're directing the city attorney all the way to Black City.

1218
01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:15,110
Yeah.

1219
01:22:15,690 --> 01:22:19,050
Drinking the city attorney to incorporate attachment to into the violence.

1220
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:20,050
Oh, I agree.

1221
01:22:20,290 --> 01:22:21,990
The city attorney to attach it.

1222
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:24,230
If I want to attach it, I'm going to give it a volume on.

1223
01:22:24,690 --> 01:22:26,610
I mean, but then the additional minutes.

1224
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:27,370
We're going to do it.

1225
01:22:27,390 --> 01:22:28,830
I mean, we're going to solve the payments.

1226
01:22:29,470 --> 01:22:32,150
But we know that they shouldn't do it all differently anyway.

1227
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:35,870
Do you agree with that?

1228
01:22:36,250 --> 01:22:36,690
Okay.

1229
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:37,170
No, sure.

1230
01:22:37,850 --> 01:22:38,190
Okay.

1231
01:22:38,190 --> 01:22:43,770
Yes, so we'll take a roll call up. I'm right. We have chair can too. No

1232
01:22:44,770 --> 01:22:46,950
By share for us. No

1233
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:53,790
Commissioner Dingo no commissioner headstrong. Yes commissioner Jackson. Yes

1234
01:22:54,590 --> 01:22:56,110
Commissioner Lawson. No

1235
01:22:57,230 --> 01:22:58,390
Commissioner Martinez

1236
01:22:58,390 --> 01:23:03,890
Commissioner Mnipi. Yes, and commissioner tell us

1237
01:23:04,610 --> 01:23:06,470
Okay, so this

1238
01:23:08,190 --> 01:23:15,050
This was voting on the chief care seat by the House and then adding an organizational

1239
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:23,030
affiliation from San Diego party for commissions did not pass the vote was 6 to 3.

1240
01:23:23,390 --> 01:23:26,970
Yes, 6 to 3, 6 to 3, yes, thank you.

1241
01:23:27,890 --> 01:23:34,770
And now we're going to go into discussion and vote of the secrecy meeting time and location.

1242
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:42,070
So, if this is an agenda item, we've talked about this before, it is to move into City Council

1243
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:47,990
chin berms, to have a bigger space, to be more inviting, to be a vice officer, to invite

1244
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:53,590
other subject matter experts, more community members, residents, and plaintants, etc.

1245
01:23:54,430 --> 01:24:03,050
And as we continue to grow our staff, the department, we have aligned already with the City

1246
01:24:03,050 --> 01:24:10,370
clerk panel of Christian gave the options, did a thorough review of all of the possible

1247
01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:17,710
times that could be available for the city, process reference that with city council meetings,

1248
01:24:17,710 --> 01:24:26,710
etc. And the second one saying is the date that is available and since many people on this

1249
01:24:26,710 --> 01:24:31,350
commission are available at the time it will be 7 o'clock. The location will be city council

1250
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:39,790
changes to the other thing here. Any clarifying questions on this agenda?

1251
01:24:42,190 --> 01:24:44,690
After clarifying questions, we're going to put it down.

1252
01:24:45,450 --> 01:24:46,590
And one of the next questions.

1253
01:24:47,470 --> 01:24:53,290
Sure. Okay. So on this item, I just did my review and realized that over the next

1254
01:24:53,290 --> 01:24:57,530
upcoming year, we do have dates that are second Wednesdays that will not be

1255
01:24:57,530 --> 01:25:02,730
available in the council, which is starting with July 8th. November 11th, which is a holiday,

1256
01:25:03,170 --> 01:25:09,490
and January 13th of 2027, just to put that on record that those dates are unavailable,

1257
01:25:09,770 --> 01:25:12,750
and just whatever you guys will, of course, can't do anything about the holiday,

1258
01:25:13,250 --> 01:25:18,850
but with the plan that's for the other two. Another two, July and July 8th of 2026,

1259
01:25:18,850 --> 01:25:28,030
and then January 13th, 2020 said, okay, different helpful. Okay, that is so

1260
01:25:28,030 --> 01:25:30,230
thoughtful. Thank you so much.

1261
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:33,390
Any other questions?

1262
01:25:37,190 --> 01:25:41,750
All right, so a couple of comments on this item. This is going to be for a new

1263
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:45,930
business. I can see our first speaker is going to be for Dale. If there's anyone

1264
01:25:45,930 --> 01:25:48,730
online that would like to make a comment on this item to be

1265
01:25:48,730 --> 01:25:52,610
praised your hand at this time. The quarterly you'll have two minutes to speak.

1266
01:25:52,710 --> 01:25:55,890
You may begin. Thank you, folks. So feeling again, Chair,

1267
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:59,750
I'm through a commission for the rectified and plural in the line.

1268
01:26:00,610 --> 01:26:02,410
Now, when I was looking at this, I have, I said,

1269
01:26:04,090 --> 01:26:07,570
it's hot because I've enjoyed being in this line.

1270
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:10,630
I've enjoyed it. But as Chair, I'm too

1271
01:26:10,630 --> 01:26:13,110
agindicated to give you a bigger space because

1272
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:42,150
because the chambers is more common because there will be a guard there and all things like the chambers, that's one option, but the other choice that I had was the shimaru, because other commissions of at use that one for every is something like that beautiful, that's another choice, you know, the shimaru and it will have the owl capability, so I think like, yes, we can have it in the chamber because it's more spacious and

1273
01:26:42,150 --> 01:26:47,250
What is your own room which is even better so why don't you talk about this and I'll say this.

1274
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:52,490
This room it is nice though but because of the information that I've used this room so

1275
01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:58,330
but you need a bigger space that way it's more convenient so that way moving forward

1276
01:26:58,330 --> 01:27:01,390
to say the chambers is more of a progress goal.

1277
01:27:01,970 --> 01:27:04,030
With that I'll give my condimentary.

1278
01:27:05,050 --> 01:27:06,210
Thank you Cordia.

1279
01:27:06,690 --> 01:27:07,090
Okay.

1280
01:27:09,980 --> 01:27:13,160
If you're time to speak, you have two minutes and you may begin.

1281
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:14,400
Thank you.

1282
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,800
You've been to your President of Richmond Police Officers Association.

1283
01:27:17,940 --> 01:27:18,780
I think that's great.

1284
01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:20,580
Moving into the city council.

1285
01:27:21,060 --> 01:27:24,400
Just make sure you guys up your budgets when you're doing your re-imagined

1286
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:29,020
Richmond and paying activists to come in here so that you can get enough people to fill the chamber.

1287
01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:29,840
Thank you.

1288
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:30,300
I'm

1289
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:41,040
going to put some in there so that the seats to say explicit to the agenda item and respectful.

1290
01:27:41,540 --> 01:27:45,040
We're going to move on into the session and vote. Yes.

1291
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:51,600
I really want to appreciate fine-strung bodies for bringing us up. I think for the long time,

1292
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:58,660
we have been waiting to become more formal and we've currently already been moving into the city

1293
01:27:58,660 --> 01:28:04,560
Constantine Firstborn provided that for my lady. Oh my God, I'm sorry. That's how it's

1294
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:18,560
kept worse. Yeah, she said too much there. Oh, sorry. I'm in a row. I think it's also

1295
01:28:20,340 --> 01:28:26,860
one. I think when we have had these meetings currently in the past, as well, we have been

1296
01:28:26,860 --> 01:28:30,680
to be able to have a book just kind of even serve up a table, which I think that's very

1297
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:31,620
formal for us.

1298
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:35,420
So we'll get a few people to write it down, back in the day that we need people to come

1299
01:28:35,420 --> 01:28:39,700
up to the dice, and then they might say, I don't know what that is.

1300
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:41,640
That's right.

1301
01:28:41,820 --> 01:28:50,640
I just have one question because one of the nice things about the chambers is that there is

1302
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:55,640
a shaman in the back where we can go for flow sessions, which like the city council does

1303
01:28:55,640 --> 01:29:01,700
for the info sessions and so people don't have to leave the room while we're in closed session

1304
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:07,160
but I just I do know that if some one commission that meets in there but from

1305
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:15,440
that I've checked on their it's the Shimada commission but they're on first Wednesdays and says so

1306
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:23,040
I think it's probably available but I wouldn't maybe to just don't like that I think it has a

1307
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:28,440
and that we can check with the city of Berk to see if it's available.

1308
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:30,260
Yeah, and then we'll reserve.

1309
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,560
Yeah, we'll reserve both.

1310
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:34,720
That's how we can do it.

1311
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:35,560
Yeah.

1312
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:36,000
Okay.

1313
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:40,150
Kushner, Martinez, and Larson.

1314
01:29:40,590 --> 01:29:41,270
Oh, sorry.

1315
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:41,670
Larson.

1316
01:29:42,410 --> 01:29:45,030
I just want to know that you should make a motion.

1317
01:29:46,650 --> 01:29:46,870
Yeah.

1318
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:48,030
Can you improve that you know that?

1319
01:29:48,490 --> 01:29:48,750
Yes.

1320
01:29:49,150 --> 01:29:51,150
I would like to make a motion.

1321
01:29:51,150 --> 01:29:54,370
and this is off the changing day right here in the tank.

1322
01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:58,870
I would like to make a motion that we adjust our dates for

1323
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,260
So you'd be artists to meet the second, boom, say it once, still 7, p.m., and the neighborhood,

1324
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:13,860
I don't know if you mean the city council chambers as well as in the Shimbland or room.

1325
01:30:14,220 --> 01:30:14,740
Second.

1326
01:30:16,440 --> 01:30:23,960
Lowell, we are Chair Canton, Vice-Ferrett-B reduced Board, Commissioner Engel,

1327
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:29,980
Commissioner

1328
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:37,140
Martinez. I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh, Commissioner Minimity. Yeah. And Commissioner Talvez. Yes.

1329
01:30:37,620 --> 01:30:43,760
All right. So this is voting to move the CPR. So the same Wednesday of every month at 7 p.m.

1330
01:30:43,900 --> 01:30:52,660
in the city council chambers. This has the motion has passed. And we'll review the extra bottle

1331
01:30:54,140 --> 01:31:00,300
So what we'll do is we'll work with the city attorney to see when the soonest song that is.

1332
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:08,960
There's always a little bit of time paperwork announcements that have to go on to the websites on our gender reports.

1333
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:16,440
I mean to be updated all of that and also translation services that will need to be included in a budget item.

1334
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:19,440
If we want to use the translation services out there.

1335
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:24,980
So there's some of the physical pieces that will be moved on the back end and if they

1336
01:31:24,980 --> 01:31:30,540
move into county into like a budget, I never mean what kind of to the machine to

1337
01:31:30,540 --> 01:31:30,820
vote.

1338
01:31:32,660 --> 01:31:33,020
Great.

1339
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:37,460
So we will let you know if it's going to be an A or if it's going to be an A, we'll have

1340
01:31:37,460 --> 01:31:38,960
to check the city work.

1341
01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:40,520
Perfect.

1342
01:31:41,340 --> 01:31:44,520
Commissioner Martinez will say that's not it, but that was the title of the machine.

1343
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:45,140
Yeah, thank you.

1344
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:45,600
Perfect.

1345
01:31:46,700 --> 01:31:51,760
Okay, so we're going to do reports from the missionaries and staffs as we already did

1346
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:52,080
right away.

1347
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,540
So we're going to do the missionaries.

1348
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,080
Sisters in solidarity do have a quick work for us.

1349
01:31:57,980 --> 01:31:58,160
Yes.

1350
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:08,320
Maybe unless we're at the Sisters in Solidarity that was by itself and Commissioner Engle and

1351
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:09,540
Commissioner Jensen.

1352
01:32:09,540 --> 01:32:14,580
and it's great when I'm asking us for a part,

1353
01:32:14,820 --> 01:32:18,000
and thank you so much for showing it to me.

1354
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:21,240
Okay, so do you have an essay about how these boys

1355
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:22,260
are going around the world?

1356
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:27,630
Oh, probably, I probably don't have these things,

1357
01:32:27,850 --> 01:32:29,570
but you can even change one of these.

1358
01:32:30,970 --> 01:32:32,050
They're going to be one of them.

1359
01:32:33,330 --> 01:32:36,450
They encourage a lot of interaction with people, so.

1360
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:40,580
But there aren't a lot of people,

1361
01:32:40,580 --> 01:32:42,880
I think it's a lot of different organizations

1362
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:44,660
that only happen to happen to us.

1363
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,340
I don't know, what do you guys think?

1364
01:32:47,420 --> 01:32:49,120
I don't think it's an engineering method.

1365
01:32:52,140 --> 01:32:54,820
I would say a ten feels like a good estimate.

1366
01:32:58,380 --> 01:32:59,440
It gets well.

1367
01:33:01,660 --> 01:33:03,740
It doesn't require good people to do it.

1368
01:33:04,660 --> 01:33:07,000
And there's not a classroom or English in fact.

1369
01:33:07,180 --> 01:33:09,720
How do they even ask the winners to do a good part of it?

1370
01:33:10,020 --> 01:33:15,240
So they gave two months of the language they came in

1371
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:19,560
with the, you know, tickets, with the number, and then they just do the number size.

1372
01:33:20,260 --> 01:33:20,400
Okay.

1373
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:22,940
Great.

1374
01:33:23,940 --> 01:33:27,620
Are there other workforce around the...

1375
01:33:27,620 --> 01:33:28,980
I'm not sure it's going to end up with ours.

1376
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,740
So, just for folks to know, we have a seat with a mile.

1377
01:33:33,100 --> 01:33:33,860
That's coming up.

1378
01:33:34,180 --> 01:33:36,280
And it's going to be in four.

1379
01:33:36,460 --> 01:33:37,260
It's May 3rd.

1380
01:33:37,260 --> 01:33:38,020
It's a Sunday.

1381
01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:44,620
It is before our next commission meeting, which may be moved to the second Wednesday of the month.

1382
01:33:44,620 --> 01:33:51,860
So, I'm interested to see if there's any volunteers for that so that we can be ready with

1383
01:33:51,860 --> 01:33:52,460
five.

1384
01:33:54,140 --> 01:33:54,460
Okay.

1385
01:33:54,740 --> 01:33:56,140
I will also go.

1386
01:33:56,580 --> 01:33:59,540
I need a double tennis medal, because I am scheduled to do so, see, I will go to the

1387
01:33:59,540 --> 01:34:00,500
Is this on the agenda?

1388
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:01,820
This is a report.

1389
01:34:02,440 --> 01:34:03,360
We don't need to go on this.

1390
01:34:03,420 --> 01:34:04,240
This is a report for it back.

1391
01:34:04,620 --> 01:34:04,840
Okay.

1392
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:06,220
I'm sorry.

1393
01:34:06,420 --> 01:34:07,260
Do we need to do that?

1394
01:34:07,580 --> 01:34:08,760
It's not an action.

1395
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:09,100
Yeah.

1396
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:09,740
It's not an action.

1397
01:34:09,940 --> 01:34:10,340
I don't know.

1398
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:12,620
We're not voting anything.

1399
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:13,360
Okay.

1400
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:18,940
and now. Thank you. I'm getting volunteers. I could volunteer in the afternoon. Okay,

1401
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:29,400
perfect. So we will coordinate schedules and our team as well. It is Sunday, May 3rd. We will also

1402
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:37,280
have June 10th in June as our 3rd outreach event that we've approved. So it's hard to even

1403
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,900
We will be voting on the product record that we will be going to these.

1404
01:34:41,780 --> 01:34:42,740
Any other volunteers?

1405
01:34:42,980 --> 01:34:43,240
Thank you.

1406
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,620
I'm going to chill out one of the ones specifically going to.

1407
01:34:47,780 --> 01:34:50,060
Let's hadn't come, you know, with people, you know,

1408
01:34:50,180 --> 01:34:51,680
wanting to decide by time.

1409
01:34:52,580 --> 01:34:52,820
Perfect.

1410
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:54,040
I thought that she would move also that.

1411
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:54,480
Okay.

1412
01:34:55,260 --> 01:35:00,100
And I will be working with the chief so that we are close to our

1413
01:35:00,100 --> 01:35:06,940
if you're stable and hopefully utilizing the water and samples to think of that.

1414
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:13,600
And I'll work with you on any of the materials, correct.

1415
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:15,420
Any other reports?

1416
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:17,220
I have a question question now.

1417
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:24,000
I'm wondering if I would have counted on how many complaints are remaining,

1418
01:35:24,260 --> 01:35:27,040
like sort of in the queue or whatever,

1419
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,240
I mean, that would mean to be investigated.

1420
01:35:29,540 --> 01:35:30,340
It will be here in the future.

1421
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:31,640
Sure.

1422
01:35:32,220 --> 01:35:33,760
I don't have an exact number.

1423
01:35:33,820 --> 01:35:35,220
I can give you a rough number right now.

1424
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:35,720
Okay.

1425
01:35:36,140 --> 01:35:37,800
I think it's something about 29.

1426
01:35:39,180 --> 01:35:42,200
Now you've had 10 complaints of our for 2026.

1427
01:35:42,620 --> 01:35:45,360
And they're based on six different incidents.

1428
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,600
It's not actually like 10 different complaints.

1429
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:49,820
So there's six last year, there's 22.

1430
01:35:50,220 --> 01:35:52,320
We've heard a few of the ones from 2025.

1431
01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:56,400
And from 2024, there's 11, and we've heard several of those

1432
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:09,900
to. So, just a bit probably. Thank you. Any other staff or agenda items? Okay. Great.

1433
01:36:10,300 --> 01:36:16,260
We are going to now... Anything from staff? I'm sorry. Any reports? Alex, anything?

1434
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:17,380
Great.

1435
01:36:20,020 --> 01:36:24,880
We're going to move into closed session, but we need to do public comment prior to closed

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01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:25,220
session.

1437
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:32,000
Right? So we're going to go ahead move into post. Comment we have

1438
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:36,000
Cordell Hinder here in person if you have to comment online please raise your hand

1439
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,100
at this time. Cordell if you'll have two minutes to speak, you may begin.

1440
01:36:40,660 --> 01:36:45,940
Thank you. That's a good thing again, Chair. Now two visitors. I was a former

1441
01:36:45,940 --> 01:36:51,560
vet, that group of units would be here on time. But I wanted to hear what

1442
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:58,200
great he has to say so for that we have come on here to reach one of them. Thank you

1443
01:36:58,200 --> 01:36:58,620
Cordero.

1444
01:37:02,860 --> 01:37:07,160
All right. We said your updates. You'll have two minutes to speak. You may begin.

1445
01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:13,840
Good evening again commissioners and investigators, Sarah Finn. You know, I just want to reiterate what I

1446
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:21,240
said in open forum that it's very concerning that the public case summaries on items that have

1447
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:27,300
have already been reviewed, voted on, and read out on the public record, are being discussed

1448
01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:32,480
in closed session when this is historically always happened in public, and the reason

1449
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:37,960
why this is so troubling is because what happened with the Kevin Macdonald case, and that was

1450
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:45,520
the first time when that was done, and it was done when there was no investigator present.

1451
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:54,720
There should not be any changes to a document that was drafted by an investigator without

1452
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,860
another independent investigator present in the room.

1453
01:37:58,900 --> 01:38:00,660
Ever, that should never happen.

1454
01:38:01,700 --> 01:38:06,960
There was accusations of bias and ethical misconduct, and he resigned.

1455
01:38:07,460 --> 01:38:10,580
He provided that draft summary before he left.

1456
01:38:10,580 --> 01:38:17,000
He was discussed in closed session and it was changed based on what City Attorney

1457
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:22,580
Floyd Andrews said when she came out in public. And when you read that

1458
01:38:22,580 --> 01:38:31,400
document there is bias in it. So who made the changes? What changes were made?

1459
01:38:31,940 --> 01:38:35,520
And if we don't have that type of transparency, everything the community is

1460
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:40,400
advocating for is thrown out the window. So when you've already voted on

1461
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:46,520
something and reviewed it in closed session. And now you're merely reviewing a public document

1462
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:52,380
that's already been discussed. It should happen in public, not in closed session.

1463
01:38:53,060 --> 01:38:59,600
And I'm going to reiterate why another point. Y'all just voted six to three against transparency.

1464
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:05,100
And you're mirroring what this RPA for City Council members did when they voted against an

1465
01:39:05,100 --> 01:39:06,300
That's an effective investigation.

1466
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:07,700
Do you want to order?

1467
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:08,340
I don't know.

1468
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:09,760
Is this the old closed session?

1469
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:10,560
Yeah, it is.

1470
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:11,500
It's been off the topic.

1471
01:39:12,780 --> 01:39:13,180
Okay.

1472
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:13,940
We're at time.

1473
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,100
I already said this time you, um,

1474
01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:19,320
the two minutes is up.

1475
01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:21,780
We'll go ahead and move on to the next talk with speaker.

1476
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:25,820
Then you will ask two minutes to speak and you may begin.

1477
01:39:28,220 --> 01:39:29,060
Thank you, minister.

1478
01:39:29,260 --> 01:39:31,000
President of the Richmond Police Officers Association.

1479
01:39:31,420 --> 01:39:32,900
I want to address the, uh,

1480
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,260
closed session and the Brown Act.

1481
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:36,020
The government code.

1482
01:39:36,020 --> 01:39:40,040
or the 495, 4.3 is unambiguous.

1483
01:39:40,460 --> 01:39:42,060
The public has a fundamental right to address

1484
01:39:42,060 --> 01:39:43,060
the legislative body.

1485
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,080
On any item within that body's jurisdiction

1486
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:47,260
when that's being discussed,

1487
01:39:47,740 --> 01:39:49,300
it's not a courtesy extended by the chair.

1488
01:39:50,260 --> 01:39:53,220
That's a statutory right guaranteed by California law.

1489
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,480
Chair can manage time, can maintain decorum.

1490
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:58,820
You cannot silence lawful public comment,

1491
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:01,400
because the content is uncomfortable and convenient,

1492
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:03,480
or critical of this commission.

1493
01:40:04,340 --> 01:40:09,720
I'm talking about close-session. This is your process problem. You guys can't even let people speak.

1494
01:40:11,820 --> 01:40:15,440
I don't understand how. In the city attorney, could you chip in please?

1495
01:40:16,740 --> 01:40:20,980
Could you finish your point, Mr. Jerry? Thank you.

1496
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,640
I continue to remind people we're not in Russia.

1497
01:40:30,010 --> 01:40:34,410
Again, just because something is not convenient or

1498
01:40:34,410 --> 01:40:41,310
don't want it to be discussed by the chair or members of the commission. If it is in

1499
01:40:41,310 --> 01:40:47,850
the scope, it is fine. For some reason, that seems to be a problem with the state order.

1500
01:40:48,650 --> 01:40:51,930
And so it's a proper plan is not needed to do with this one in the post session.

1501
01:40:52,710 --> 01:40:55,150
It's got one public summary in the post session.

1502
01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:57,190
I have a question. I have a question.

1503
01:40:58,050 --> 01:41:00,590
I forgot about the grant. I have a question.

1504
01:41:00,590 --> 01:41:04,690
Well, it was these session closed session, the deteriorate of your information.

1505
01:41:05,170 --> 01:41:09,050
If you're not the chair, attorney, can I get my time back?

1506
01:41:09,330 --> 01:41:11,470
We have a point of order.

1507
01:41:11,710 --> 01:41:15,770
If there's any specific public comment about the closed session items,

1508
01:41:15,770 --> 01:41:18,550
or any concern with the closed session items,

1509
01:41:18,770 --> 01:41:21,510
I think that's related to closed session items,

1510
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:23,590
but if we're going to be going out on tangents,

1511
01:41:24,590 --> 01:41:26,630
there's no tangent about the Brown Act.

1512
01:41:27,670 --> 01:41:32,290
Okay, again, I'm trying to talk about the legitimacy of closed session public comment.

1513
01:41:33,890 --> 01:41:36,850
Okay. Okay, the attorney, do you have California drink?

1514
01:41:38,270 --> 01:41:43,310
Okay, could you go ahead and put 30 seconds up to 30 seconds and Mr. Chair, if you could please

1515
01:41:43,310 --> 01:41:49,030
keep your comments related to the specific closed session items or closed session items

1516
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:53,490
is generally even that being referred, thank you, and required.

1517
01:41:56,460 --> 01:41:56,820
Okay.

1518
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:57,440
And then, sir.

1519
01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:57,660
Okay.

1520
01:41:58,480 --> 01:41:58,820
Thank you.

1521
01:41:59,700 --> 01:42:05,900
Again, close session comments on things that are going to be discussed, where, regards

1522
01:42:05,900 --> 01:42:12,820
to meeting confer, regards to how people conduct themselves in close session, that matters.

1523
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:18,680
That is not something that can be just trampled on, you know, a nauseam.

1524
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:23,500
The commission exists to serve the public, so I hope you do that in closed session.

1525
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:28,780
In the moment when it begins to control what is public and what is allowed to say, it is

1526
01:42:28,780 --> 01:42:31,700
in verb, its own purpose, whether it's in closed session or not.

1527
01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:38,620
So, again, before you go into closed session, I'm formally calling on this body to reaffirm its

1528
01:42:38,620 --> 01:42:44,740
commitment to lawful, open public comment and to ensure that everyone on this commission

1529
01:42:44,740 --> 01:42:46,400
operates in the boundary of the law.

1530
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:53,320
thank you. I do apologize mentioning your time is up at this moment for public comment

1531
01:42:54,280 --> 01:43:01,960
that we can put the comment on this side. Thank you. And so we'll be moving into public comments,

1532
01:43:02,440 --> 01:43:08,960
and I'm just going to public and move them so we can close the session.

1533
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:16,380
We'll close the session

1534
01:43:16,380 --> 01:43:17,040
and all that you need to spot.

1535
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:01,080
Thank you.

1536
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,580
We are back from our closed session.

1537
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:07,180
We've been here a part out from our commission attorney.

1538
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:14,760
From closed session regards to CPRC case number 2025-11,

1539
01:44:16,380 --> 01:44:20,460
commissioners voted unanimously to accept the report

1540
01:44:20,460 --> 01:44:23,980
as presented from the investigator.

1541
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,900
With regards to the same case number 2025-11,

1542
01:44:27,900 --> 01:44:38,520
then, mission is voted unanimously to accept the investigators' findings, exonerated

1543
01:44:39,330 --> 01:44:50,580
unnecessary force, and exoneration of excessive force, with regards to CPRC in case number

1544
01:44:50,580 --> 01:44:59,560
in 2025-15 commissioners voted unanimously to accept.

1545
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:26,860
The report as presented with regards to the same CBRC case number 2025-15 commissioners voted unanimously to accept the investigators' findings of exoneration for unnecessary force and unfounded funding of discrimination as for the case summaries.

1546
01:45:26,860 --> 01:45:30,440
I'm sorry, didn't we vote to amend the report?

1547
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:36,900
Let me go ahead and restate that.

1548
01:45:36,980 --> 01:45:38,040
Thank you, Mr. Lawson.

1549
01:45:38,980 --> 01:45:48,120
With regards to CPRC 2025-15, with regards to accepting the report as presented,

1550
01:45:48,120 --> 01:46:01,200
commissioners voting unanimously to accept a report within an amendment to page 6 of the report to remove some template language that was added, erroneously.

1551
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:08,420
and the findings are unanimously held for the same case.

1552
01:46:08,620 --> 01:46:09,720
I'm going to thank you, Commissioner Lawson.

1553
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:17,400
For case summaries, CBRC case, case of 2024-11,

1554
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:22,060
the commissioner is voting unanimously with the exception of Mr. Jackson,

1555
01:46:22,540 --> 01:46:28,200
Lawson, and Martinez, who have stained to accept the case summary as presented

1556
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:38,160
with regards to gay summary related to CBRC 2024-8 commissioners voting namously with the exception of

1557
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:47,300
Commissioner Jackson, Lawson, and Martinez, each of whom is abstained to accept the case summary as presented.

1558
01:46:47,900 --> 01:46:51,420
And with that, that is the summary of our full session.

1559
01:46:51,420 --> 01:46:57,880
Thank you.