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Good

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morning, everybody. Everybody's doing well. This is the August 13, 2026 meeting of

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Richmond's Urban Design Committee. This meeting is called to order.

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Mr. Secretary, you remind

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reviewing public access and participation instructions. Yes, good morning. To access

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the meeting via micros, can you please use the following link or the link available on the

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agenda for dial star 678043169457 and enter ID 74240550 pound. Public comment will be requested

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in turn for each item on the agenda. Please stay on mute at other times to reduce background

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noises. If using a phone to access the meeting, you can use star 6 to mute and unmute yourself.

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Thank you. Roll call.

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Oh, Donald.

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Here.

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The clerk is not here in the minority.

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Here.

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Doyle?

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Here.

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Skimmer, maybe.

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McKenzie is not here.

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Defending Wigin?

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Here.

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Harrison?

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Here.

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Weehan?

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Here.

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The Boothspin is not here.

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And Mr. Hamnet is not here.

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But we do have any.

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Great.

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Do you mind reviewing approval minutes?

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Yes.

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A high level summary statement will be provided

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before voting on final motion for each individual item. The summary statement will be transmitted

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to the Planning Commission along with the motion outcome and be recorded as minutes for the record.

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Thank you. Secretary's report. And the scope of review reminder, 1707 of the city charter says

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general location character extent approval of public buildings, structure streets, parks,

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etc. And items of a specific nature that are designed by professionals such as engineers and

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architects are not considered general. And in 1705, UDC may make recommendations of a specific nature

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that are designed in public structures, apartments, and street fixtures.

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Yes, thank you. Don't believe we have any continuances or deletions from the agenda?

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Great. Okay, we have a number of items on the consent agenda that's UDC 2026-09.

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That's a setback recommendation at 201 Orleans Street,

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associated with the proposed building.

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We also have UDC 2026-10,

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final location, character, and extent review

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of proposed street sidewalk and stormwater improvements

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to a section of Hay Road between Hall Street,

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Walmsley, Boulevard.

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We also have UDC 2026-12,

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final location, character, and extent review

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of our proposed stormwater 7 catchment pond

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in Brian Park located nearest the existing Azalea pond.

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If we want to consider any of those agenda items

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on the regular agenda,

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we can move them from the consent agenda

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to the regular agenda,

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but we need a motion to do so.

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If there's no desire to move any of those items

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to the regular agenda,

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I would welcome a motion to consent agenda.

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How's this?

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I'll move to move with the consent agenda as is.

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Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Pearson has motion to approve the Consent Agenda as is. Do we have a second? Seconded by Mr. Big Nardi.

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All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Any abstain? Okay. Ms. Wee-Hunt has abstained.

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The Consent Agenda has been passed with staff recommendations. I'll be forwarded to the planning commission.

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Thank you. That brings us to the, well, before we move to the regular agenda, would you like to open for public comment?

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So we'll move on to the regular agenda.

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UDC 2026-11, final location characteristics review for a proposed shared use path from

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Terminal Place across Lee Street and Terminating at Arthur Ashe Boulevard.

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And I have a presentation as well as the applicants here.

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And I'm going to have a presentation as well.

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Now, as you said, this is a final application for a shared use path between Arthur Ashe

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and Science Museum BRT All-Station.

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Here is a beautiful railroads designed showing the general location of the path.

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On the bottom here is Broad Street.

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The Science Museum is there to the right of the bottom, on the Broad Street, it goes

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up terminal place street there beside the children's museum. It crosses into

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behind the parks facility there and goes up to Lee Street where it crosses Lee

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Street and goes through the parking lot of what it's now movie land and

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terminates at the author ash bridge under the bridge. There is a future

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project that is in the process of design so it's not a squishy future

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project is actually in the process of happening, called the Scott's Edition Greenway, which will

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extend this path along the tracks through Scott's Edition, as well as put a full connection back up

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to the bridge of Audra Ash, full of our bridge. There's a better 3D view. You can see the Science

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Museum, the Children's Museum, and the pole station there in the bottom, the parts of

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to the right, the apartment complexes,

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the existing apartment complexes there to the left

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as it moves through the middle

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and move the land property there at the end.

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This camera I've just marked here.

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Oh,

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in the middle here is also existing,

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it's called the protopath.

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The neighborhood has worked to create this path

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and this is kind of making it official

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and paving it and providing facilities and such.

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The plans are not super compelling, so it's not a whole lot going on here other

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than a path on terminal place, but it will look pretty nice with lighting. It will

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have landscaping left on this plan. It starts on the left at Broad Street and

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moves on to the protopath. As I said, it goes along the protopath existing

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layout, but again it paves it, provides landscaping, provides a few

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amenities. There's a picnic place and seating. They're also maintaining several sections of the

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existing train track through here. Essentially the path of this path used to be a train track

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access to the Science Museum, which used to be the training station. So we are maintaining

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some of the history and culture here and authenticity. The seating area and potentially

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a future location for art is located on the screen in the dotted red and the train tracks.

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That brings us to the Lee Street crossing. On the left here is the protopath. On the right is

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the movie land parking lot. There is very significant improvements here, physical improvements to

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the crossing to slow down traffic. There's also improvements to believe lighting, etc.,

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which the applicant can get into more detail. It does connect to existing bike lanes that

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go along Lee Street, so this will be coming in perpendicular to those, but also connecting

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to it, there'll be flashing pedestrian light as I said, to physical safety and street lighting.

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And here is the moving land parking lot section. Those circles there toward the bottom

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are seating and also where tracks will be maintained. And as I said, it connects there

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on the right, the upper right to the bridge in those future projects.

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And I believe on the application when we approved the author Ash Boulevard Bridge, one of the

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conditions was to work on this project and the future Scott's edition project to make

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it all connect.

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And this is in a current location of the old tracks, so it's not really changing

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the parking lot a great deal, although it is changing the parking lot itself to

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to make it more safe for some of the crossings and such.

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The 2019 conceptual conditions,

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actually that's from another project, I apologize.

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It was only a few years ago that y'all saw this

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very recently, relatively.

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The conditions provided were that

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outer lighting be sensitive to light pollution

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and dark skies compliant,

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which is our standard condition related to that.

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And also assume that future locations for signage

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be provided, not that signage be provided

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with this final application but future locations and that was intended for the crossing at Lee

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Street and that has been provided.

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Portions of the existing rail have also been maintained

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which was a previous condition and we asked them to consider or provide lighting throughout the

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length of the path which I'll let the applicant speak to. I believe they are able to do that

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that seating and trash locations are provided along the path which have been

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provided as well which I showed in the previous slides and that a non-paved shoulder for the path

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be provided and that was provided as well I believe is gravel.

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The staff recommendation is

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approval with conditions. The recommended conditions is that plans be amended to include

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pedestrian skill lighting along the central parking lot and Lee Street crossing sections

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of the path to be approved by staff. I believe the applicant is able to provide that

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since I wrote that condition and now,

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and I'll let them speak more to that,

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our recommendation is to keep the condition on

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so that the plans can be amended to add that lighting.

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Staff findings are that this is actually

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a particularly important path shown on the master plan

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because the intention is to connect the future

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Diamond District to the pulse station on Broad Street

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via the protected pedestrian path.

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The intent of the master plan was to have

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a separate pedestrian bridge over the tracks. As they worked through the Diamond District

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Project, they found that to be cost prohibitive. So the intent became to move them on the Author

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Ash Boulevard Bridge, which is why it's so important to get that connection. Bridge, you go

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through this path from the pulse station, you go around onto the bridge you cross, and then

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you enter the Diamond District right beside the future, well the existing baseball stadium.

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Now that they've got structured,

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that's my last slide.

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So the applicant is here to provide a recitation.

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And then we can take questions.

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Thank you, Mr. Sinclair.

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Good afternoon.

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Good morning.

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Thank you for...

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Would you like to...

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Oh, she's the podium.

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Oh, stand up there.

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Good morning.

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My name is Alyssa Baird with Kimberly Horan.

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I am the project manager, engineer on the job.

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So, thank you for giving us the opportunity to present Science Museum VRT Station to Scott

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Edition Shreddy's Path.

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So, I'll just give Ray, you did a great job with it over you, I'll kind of go over a few

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of the quick same things and then mostly going to highlight the items that we have

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changed that were to address some of the comments in the conceptual design.

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So, as a reminder, this is the alignment of the path here.

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And like Ray mentioned, we'll kind of talk about it in sections.

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So the first section is terminal place where the path runs, a long terminal place next

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to the Children's Museum.

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Next to it is the protopath, which is the section that the Science Museum and volunteers

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have already established a gravel path there in some landscaping, Lee Street, where we

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actually have the crossing of Lee Street and then Movie Land, where it follows

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the rails through the existing rails through the Movie Land parking lot.

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This is a quick schedule. The VDOT schedule is actually a little bit further out, but we're trying, of course, we'd like to have this done sooner.

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So we are at the stage where we will begin right-of-way acquisition in the fall. We just submitted that for approval by VDOT with construction plan, final construction plans in spring 2028.

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And the project would be advertised for construction in the summer of 2028 with hopefully completion around fall 2029.

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So the first thing that we had a request was for the non-paved shoulder for

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purposes of dogs walking, runners, things like that.

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And so you can see it looks

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like it got slid here, but this here is the three-foot graded shoulders. That would

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be like a crushed stone that will be a three-foot crushed stone that will be

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in the place. And you can see that photo on the side is kind of an example.

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Well, this is a portion of the capital trail there.

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That's just an example of showing the crushed stone

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that would be on the side of the path.

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So just kind of walking through the plans.

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We didn't really have any major changes

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on terminal place,

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but just showing that 10 foot wide sidewalk

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and the repaving of the roadway,

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some reconstruction of curb landscaping, things like that.

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Next, so this is the protopath section.

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So, we had a few minor adjustments we made to the plan.

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You can see we already in the previous plan had shown the alignment going down the middle

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of the two tracks that Ray had highlighted.

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So you can see kind of lightly those two sets of gray lines, and that's kind of going through the middle of those rails, so we are able to maintain those and actually accentuate them with landscaping.

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So not a whole lot of change to the alignment here, but if you want to go to the next slide,

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we were asked to add, make sure that the entire alignment had some form of seating and trash receptacles.

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So you can see Highlight and Yellow there is an area that will be a paved section where

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we can provide seeding and trash receptacles.

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And then from the Neighborhood Association, there was a request to maintain some of the

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existing trees.

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Some of those were the ones that were planted by volunteers as part of the protopath.

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So this section here, highlighted in purple, is where we plan to maintain those existing

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trees as much as we can, especially because it's farther off the trail.

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we're not going to be impacting them by the construction of the path. So we're

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making sure that those are certainly maintained.

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Next we get to the end of the

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protopath and the Lee Street crossing. A lot of you can see here there are some

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questions about the bike lane. So the bike lane does continue through on the

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outsides of those kind of median pairs there. So they'll be following through

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there. We're going to keep the same alignment as they have today as far

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where those bike lanes are situated and they'll just be able to pass through there.

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And one thing I want to highlight here on the next slide is the rectangular rapid flashing beacon.

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So the neighborhood association had asked about making sure that we had a safe crossing here

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and making sure there was a way to alert drivers with a flashing light of some kind.

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So what we're proposing is a rectangular rapid flashing beacon.

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I have those highlighted here.

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This is really similar to what you've seen a lot throughout the city.

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So Dock Street has the one I've shown there, there's ones in Bird Park and other places

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around the city.

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So this will be actuated by a pedestrian that can push the button, the light will flash, drivers

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will come to a stop so they can cross safely.

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And we'll have those in both directions on both sides of Lee Street as well as one

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in the median so you really can't miss it.

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And then we move on to Moodyland on the other side of Lee Street.

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So this is the part that's going through the parking lot.

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you can see on either side is the parking. We are removing some parking partially sometimes

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for purposes of construction limits. In some cases, we're having to do so to balance our

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stormwater management. So this is taking a few impervious areas and converting them to

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pervious so that we can balance our runoff to the storm sewer system. And not a whole lot.

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Oh, so the one thing that I wanna highlight here

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is the existing rails that we are maintaining.

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So you can see on the left and right,

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these two areas, they kind of bump out.

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And that's where we go off of the rail alignment

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so we can accentuate the existing rails

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and landscape around them.

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On the next slide shows the,

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you can see highlighted in purple

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is where we are maintaining those rails,

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landscaping in between and around them.

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on the bottom right is an example of the landscape plan that we have so there's a

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couple different plant pallets that we've put together that we would take out

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the railroad ties and put plants in their place so the rails would stay and the

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ties would be removed to put those plantings in. Additionally we have a

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yellow as you can see additional locations to put seeding and trash

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receptacles along the path to stop and take break.

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And then lastly is the

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The last section of Movie Land on the far right here is where we tie into the Scotts

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Edition Greenway.

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I believe that project is a little bit further along, so we have requested plans from them

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and have been coordinating on exactly where we connect to.

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We've also been, as Ray mentioned, coordinating with the Arthur Ashe Bridge and still unclear

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on exactly which project will come first at this time where, you know, connect you

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to it as if this project would come first, but have been

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guarding with them on how that might affect our project if they

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were to begin construction sooner.

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But otherwise, not a whole lot has changed on this section

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here, so more slide.

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And then the one request that UDC had was on lighting.

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So initially, we did not have lighting in our plan.

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The VDOT Smart Scale Funded application has limitations on exactly what can be included

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in or can be paid for with the budget that we have, and lighting was not part of that.

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So, but per the UDC's request, we worked with DPW and DPW has agreed to find additional

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funding for the section of the protopath through the movie land section.

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And we also went out to the site

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just to confirm the existing lighting levels

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and terminal place certainly has plenty of lighting

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with the existing roadway lighting,

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but it definitely gets very dark along the protopath.

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Movie land is just spotty with the parking lot lighting,

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but certainly their spots where it is a bit darker.

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So the city has agreed to find the extra funding.

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I believe currently the construction funding from VDOT

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was about $2.8 million. We expect the lighting is probably going to be an

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extra $1 million that what we have to be found to put in the lights. And what

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we have here is the light fixture that is used for, that has been identified for

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the Diamond District and is also used in Kerrytown. This was what was

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suggested by DPW to be consistent with the Diamond District that would be

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used to light the path, but certainly we're open to open to other options for

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a potential light fixture. We also have looked at the Arthur Ashe Bridge, however

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that's a little bit more of a modern fixture, so felt that was not the

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best the best fixture. I believe that is all I have for that. Mr. Chair, will

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you allow me to give a comment to the applicant while we're here? The lighting

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under the fridge will be very interested in seeing in the future project for Scott's addition,

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not necessarily this project. Is that associated with the Greenway?

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The Greenway, yes. Okay.

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Thank you for that presentation. Are there any questions for the

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applicant? So I have a question about the lighting. Luigi, but so Terminal Street has lighting,

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the protopath you'll be installing lighting and MovieLand will you be

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installing any pictures there to adjust it? So we'd be installing the same

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lighting along the protopath and MovieLand. We also working with DPU will

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install a light at the Lee Street crossing. One side of Lee Street already

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has a light fixture, a roadway light fixture that's really close to the

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crossing. The other side probably needs one so we'll be adding just a

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standard coberhead roadway light for that crossing.

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Can you clarify the

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materials? So it seems like terminal place is concrete, a protoplate, protopath

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is gravel, then everything beyond that is asphalt. So the protopath today is

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gravel, we'll be converting it to asphalt with gravel shoulder. Everything

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past travel past terminal place will be asphalt correct okay and that's just to

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help with you know avoiding future erosion and things like that yeah and a

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question I'm just curious is the movie land existing right away or you know with

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removing the parking lots again for me more curiosity is that something that

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the city of movie land negotiates or was it existing no that will be our

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next step is working through the right-of-way acquisition process

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currently our plans propose it is it is just private property and the current

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plans propose a permanent access easement and the intention with that was to if we

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were to purchase right-of-way we would be bisecting the property and basically

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splitting the property into two to avoid having sort of an unusual property

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in the back we are proposing that access easement. So future access

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easement over some portion of the bike row but I'm known at this time

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because I'm not sure how they may use the property in the future.

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There will, yeah, our intention is to purchase a permanent access easement

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or the city to purchase a permanent access easement along the alignment of the trail.

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Do you have selections for the trash can or seating elephant?

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I believe we do, yes, and those are in the plans. I believe we have the type of trash can

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and benches in there. I can't recall off the top of my head what style it was.

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Yeah was it based on anything else in the city? I believe so. I'm guessing it was

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probably the Victor Stanley yes which is similar which is what we used on like

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West Broad Street scape right where it connects to. Okay and then has your

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plant palette you know you showed the sample kind of collections of plants but

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I didn't notice the plant selections. Have you taken into account our

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preference for native plants? Yes almost all the plants are native. I went

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checked just before this. At least looking at all the trees, I think all but one was more native.

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And then the community note about trying to preserve the trees that the volunteers have

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planted and you noted where they were maintained. Are there others that are coming out? Have you

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run that by them? There are a few. John, if you could go back to the proto path section,

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the first section of the protopath, or sorry, second section of the protopath.

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Excellent. Yeah, sorry. So this section here, I believe there are some trees. I

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don't have a landscape. I have to pull up the landscape plan. But on the bottom

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side of the Sherdees path there, I believe there are some trees that may

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or may not be maintained. Part of that is just because with the construction

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of the path with excavation, you're going to be impacting the roots of

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trees so we can't guarantee that those trees are going to be able to stay

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where they are and even if we tried to keep them we might find that in a

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couple years they end up dying because of the disturbance. So just with the

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proximity we're also having to install a ditch right in this area here. So with

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that the ditch to account for the runoff we wouldn't be able to maintain

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those trees just in that area. I think those trees do end up dying. Is there

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plan to replace them to kind? So the idea is, I believe with the landscape area,

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thank you John. So you can see here we are proposing two larger shade trees here

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and here. So the idea is that through this section we expect we would be

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impacting the trees and so we are going to replace them with this project. And

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last question, the lighting fixture is glad you guys managed to find a way

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to fit that in. Are those lights used on any pedestrian-only areas? You mentioned the Diamond

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District, and they look kind of like roadway lights. They do. The ones in Kerrytown, they are used

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as pedestrian lights. They actually like face the sidewalk and overhang the sidewalk, so they

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are intended to be pedestrian lights. I agree that I was wondering the same thing when I

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first saw them. I don't think they've been installed in the Diamond District yet,

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but the idea is they would be further pedestrian areas. I don't know, John, could you?

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If you go to the top, my PowerPoint is hidden on the last slide. I actually already screen shot.

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Yeah, we were just trying to find a light that is kind of goes with adjacent areas and that was,

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you know, that's what we selected for the downed issue. Yeah. So that's in

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Kerrytown. Now you can see a face in the sidewalk there. And also in

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Kerrytown, there are roadway lights that are similar in face outward. So those

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are pretty high output lights, I imagine. And so if you go with a more

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pedestrian-scale light, something more like a lantern top on a bus, you would

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need more of them. But ideally the fixtures would be less

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expensive. Is that something you guys are open to exploring? Yeah. Yeah. If

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If anyone has a recommendation on like a type of light they'd like to see I know of like West Broad Street has a luminaire that's attached to the existing poles that's more of a pedestrian pole.

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That's something like that would be an option. It's just kind of figuring out what we want to connect to this, the theme to whether it's diamond district West Broad Street or something else. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's going to be a general comment. Trying to understand, trying to encourage continuity between all the different areas in this part of the city.

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Is there, and you mentioned coordination with the Greenway project, is there a desire for continuity in terms of the pathway, the lighting, the landscape?

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Is there a desire to ensure that continuity is achieved between this project and that project?

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I don't know what their lighting is if they have any lighting.

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I'm guessing they probably don't, if it's just on the roadway.

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But we can look into that and see what they're proposing there.

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Next up, thank you, Jim.

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In regarding tree selection, have you, as the design team, been in touch with Urban Forestry?

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I believe we have them. I don't remember.

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I believe that the plans had been forwarded to urban forestry and we received a few comments from them with our 60% plans available. Yes. So it's been circulated with all of DPW.

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I do know our late architect has done several projects in the city of Richmond and has a good feel for what urban forestry desires. So we're starting with some information, but I can't remember specific to this project.

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I know that we didn't receive some comments from Urban Forestry. So they have seen the plans and are

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provided comments where they needed to. Great. And then regarding Ms. Gimmer's comment about

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native plants, thanks for your commitment to planting native. I did notice in the

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landscape plans that there is Mexican feather grass included in it. I would encourage trying to

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go as close, get as close to 100% native as possible. I know that there's, you know,

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Need for flexibility, but yeah, but encourage

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Yeah. Thank you. So some of the large trees along the path, especially as you approach the

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movie land property or across, oh, south of Lee Street. One of the problems with asphalt trails,

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like the Capitol Trail especially, is that as the trees grow, the roots get underneath

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the path and start pushing it up, and then you get a bump. And I noticed that on some

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of those trees you have a note that says root guard barrier to be provided to

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utilities.

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Do you have any kind of a root barrier that could be put in to keep

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the large trees? I'm not so much concerned about the smaller trees or the large

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shade trees to keep their roots from going under the under the path. We could

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probably explore that. Root barriers are not you know guaranteed but they

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certainly can help with kind of keeping keeping the roots of base. So we

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can look at that yeah for the big ones and near the path yeah. Yeah some of

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the sections of the Capital Trail got so bad that they basically had to

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come in and just dig everything up.

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Yeah, that's the shame.

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Yeah,

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it's an important consideration.

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Any other questions for the applicant?

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Just a quick one.

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Would you mind just walking us through exactly what

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the crossing is and what the trapezoid shaped things are

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and its existing media?

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Yeah, so I'll start with the center median here.

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So that center median we're taking.

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And one of the comments, I think,

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from Ray was to show in the future the existing median.

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So the existing median runs right here, and we're going to be connecting to that existing

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median and then extending it.

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So the idea right now is that there would be no left turn lane anymore like there is

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currently to turn into the back movie land parking lot.

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So we'd be extending that completely to help with sight distance.

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So pedestrians would have a set middle refuge where they would be able to push the, I think

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we didn't have a button there, but would be able to take refuge there, especially for

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folks that need to take a break.

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And then on the outside is the additional medians.

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So these medians are basically the separation, basically the width of the existing parking

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lanes.

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So there is parking further down Lee Street.

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So, this is basically pedestrians would be crossing, there's a curb ramp here, the pedestrians

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would be crossing the bike lane, they'd have a refuge crossing an 11 foot wide, I'm actually

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12 foot wide I believe, crossing for the roadway, they have another break, they look the other

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direction, cross for the other travel lane and then cross the final bike lane.

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So having these intermittent crossings allows people to only have to look one direction

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of time. And this is going to choke vehicles down so it requires them to travel at much slower

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speeds because Lee Street is kind of a sweeping curve here and then people can kind of fly around

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the turn here. So by choking them down, grating these pedestrian hybrid beacons, or sorry,

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not rectangular rapid flashing beacons, we can hopefully slow people down and make them aware

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of the pedestrians. That basically what once was a two-lane Lee Street years ago is now

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one lane with parking in the old lane and that's as wide as you're in those

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median there. Got it.

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Another question for the applicant.

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Great. Thank you so much.

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Anybody in the room would like to provide public comments? Please approach the podium

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and introduce yourself. If anybody participating virtually would like

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to provide public comment. Please raise your hand at this time.

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Seeing any hands raised. Public comment is closed.

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I have a motion for committee member that we can begin discussion.

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We approve the submitted plans with staff conditions.

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Okay, we have a motion recommending approval with staff conditions for Ms. Gimmer,

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seconded by Mr. O'Donnell. Any discussion?

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The only real note I have and it's already says it in the staff condition that it's pedestrian scale lighting and I think connecting to other areas is important, but I also think it's feeling like a, it's a very thoughtful design with a lot of landscape and refuge areas and I feel like the light should be lower.

454
00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:50,770
Yeah, I agree 100%.

455
00:34:52,330 --> 00:34:56,130
I think the rest of the plan is really well, I'll echo that comment. I think it's very

456
00:34:56,130 --> 00:35:00,490
well thought out. I think this is going to be a real asset for the city. I love the

457
00:35:00,490 --> 00:35:05,430
way that they're keeping pieces of the railroad tracks in there and how they're landscaping

458
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:10,590
this. And the crossing here at Lee Street, I think, is not only going to make this

459
00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:15,690
path, the crossing safer, it's also going to constrict the roadway a little bit

460
00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:25,720
slow traffic down. So I think this plan is very well thought out. Do you have any concerns about

461
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:30,840
bicycle pedestrian infrastructure, specifically crossings?

462
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:34,600
There's always a concern when bikes

463
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:46,340
cross roads. But I think with the pedestrian beacon and this island here, I think this is

464
00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:52,520
taken about as all the precautions that you can take. Now it's just up to

465
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:59,660
everybody to look both ways and pay attention. But I like extended the median.

466
00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:03,660
I like putting those two islands out there. I think that just really is going

467
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:07,560
to tighten it up a little bit and cars are going to have to slow down when

468
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,580
they come to this thing. So I think overall this is this is well thought

469
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:21,440
out. Any other comments? I think we can move to a vote, Mr. Secretary. All right, we have a

470
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,440
motion to approve with staff recommendations. A vote for yes. A vote yes is a vote to approve O'Donnell?

471
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:37,180
Yes. Miliardi? Yes. Soya? Yes. Kevin? Yes. Ben-Edwardy? Yes. Pearson? Yes.

472
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:51,500
Thank you all so much. That brings us to other business, and we have a UNC guidelines update,

473
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:58,880
the draft mark section, as well as the building architecture previously requested business.

474
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:05,240
Yes. So this is me bringing back the minor edits that were provided. I believe that

475
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:09,260
of needing banks to build sectioned separate devices.

476
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,600
So y'all just need to bring that

477
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,240
and then I'll quickly go through the parks section.

478
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:25,230
All this is loading.

479
00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:29,910
We have one more section before we get

480
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:32,030
to DPW transportation stuff.

481
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:36,850
That section is called site plan and site design.

482
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:38,510
It's essentially furnishings.

483
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:40,470
I will take another look at that

484
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:41,970
if you recognize it a little bit,

485
00:37:42,110 --> 00:37:43,670
because it's just furnishings.

486
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:48,450
But after that, which I said is the next meeting, after that, we're going to take a break

487
00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:54,830
and let DBW figure out some of their internal documentation, which they're in the process of updating.

488
00:37:55,610 --> 00:38:00,690
And after that, come back to updating our guideline for DBW stuff.

489
00:38:02,130 --> 00:38:08,050
So my proposal is after the next section, we'll close these edits and bring it all back together

490
00:38:08,050 --> 00:38:14,310
and put the document back together and approve it with the existing, what we have now for

491
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:19,390
DPW and updates, if that makes any sense. And then we'll come back to it in the future.

492
00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:28,270
Ian, on this document, I'm going to put the books on.

493
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:32,480
Here,

494
00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:59,400
part design. Some of our favorite

495
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,900
projects, I'm sure. As with all the other sections, I included the references from the

496
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:09,560
master plan, again, these are the really powerful general

497
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,340
location characteristics statements that we can use

498
00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:13,560
to enforce on projects.

499
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,460
A lot of the other specificities in the guidelines

500
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:18,580
of our reportings.

501
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:21,360
And my goal with writing these guidelines,

502
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,700
especially the new edits,

503
00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:26,420
is that I want to drill down on these very general

504
00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:30,020
master plan goals and try to detail how they can be

505
00:39:30,020 --> 00:39:31,980
achieved or if there's different priorities

506
00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:32,900
what to prioritize.

507
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:39,830
And briefly going through the highlights that are in here.

508
00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:50,290
And a lot of this did come from Parks Master Plan that they're in the process of, I think, getting final approval for now if they haven't already received it.

509
00:39:51,130 --> 00:39:56,930
So pretty much all of the new stuff is directly from their Master Plan of things that they want to do at the Parks Department.

510
00:39:57,870 --> 00:40:01,250
And there it does talk about parks being able to protect usians.

511
00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:07,170
It also talks about using school facilities as park facilities.

512
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:10,790
Obviously, there can be a security conflict with that.

513
00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:15,630
So just keeping that in mind, that is also an opportunity that has been pointed out.

514
00:40:15,970 --> 00:40:20,090
And targeting parks improvements and under-invested neighborhoods.

515
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:29,230
I created a, tried to create a better definition of Greenway in the Richmond 300 master plan that talks a lot about Greenway

516
00:40:29,230 --> 00:40:35,070
because a little bit of guidance but I tried to drill down on that. And I detailed, you

517
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:42,190
can think of the lowline and shocker bottom. You can also think of green medians and along

518
00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:43,030
Monument Avenue.

519
00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:51,530
And there are opportunities to be diverse multi streets as well.

520
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:55,170
The

521
00:40:55,170 --> 00:41:02,500
goal here is to use accessible materials and designing spaces for multiple ages, not

522
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:08,620
only children, but also elderly adults, young adults. Some young adults also enjoy parks and

523
00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:15,960
like to have fun as well. We have in the past had examples of splash pads that the UDC provided

524
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:22,280
good commentary on that I included that in here to the best of my memory. It speaks to future

525
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,660
potential art and my new favorite phrase, artistic and whimsical elements are always

526
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:34,040
been encouraged. We don't always have to have, you know, pristine art situations. It can be interesting

527
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,780
things going on and we don't need a reason to have interesting things going on. It just can be

528
00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:46,620
interesting. Something I've been trying to introduce specifics to in this document,

529
00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:52,440
previously we referred to it as universal access, not only understanding how people

530
00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:59,800
transport differently, have different needs for transportation, but also different needs

531
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,200
of safety or, you know, difference between genders, ages, and all of that.

532
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,200
So universal across the spectrum, creating space for everybody.

533
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:13,080
In particular, in the project we heard today for the PATH, one of my primary comments

534
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:19,320
was that lighting is really important, especially for women groups for safety reasons.

535
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:26,020
That is not me saying it, but research and documentation of how to do universal access.

536
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:30,500
I brought that in detail in here to do that.

537
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:32,800
Designing to safety.

538
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:39,100
One of my biggest things when I review parks is their visibility from highly populated areas,

539
00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:43,320
usually the street to reduce the potential for bad actors, crime, et cetera,

540
00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:47,140
and to make everyone, all of the users feel safe to speak to that in here.

541
00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:54,120
There's also signage opportunities, both describing the park, pointing people where they need to go,

542
00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:56,200
and whimsical opportunities as well.

543
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:07,180
I speak to where the paths should point as well to give you all kind of the tool to say that maybe the proposed paths are not going where they need to be, et cetera.

544
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:16,940
and inserting that outside connections are done, and this is actually also detailed in the sustainability guide that we've talked about in the past.

545
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:23,680
I spoke a little bit to event space, especially as we reviewed some of the diamonds internally.

546
00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:31,260
The intent there was to create a park that could also facilitate events occasionally or not occasionally, often, whatever.

547
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:42,400
I gave some thought to achieve that as a dual-use space, providing a maybe a paved area for stage or trucks or whatever it might need to be.

548
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,620
We've run into a past need for electrical and water hookups and things like that.

549
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:50,580
But that those hookups are also not in the way of activity through the park.

550
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,460
Speak to renewable energy and vehicle charging.

551
00:43:55,460 --> 00:44:02,780
Street, slow streets, paved streets are mentioned, both in Richmond 300, Richmond Connects and

552
00:44:02,780 --> 00:44:08,500
the parks master plan, I tried to define that a little bit more and I found some interesting

553
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:14,980
documentation and universal access that speaks to making sure that especially children can

554
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,740
use bikes or skates or skateboards or things like that in a safe and controlled setting

555
00:44:21,740 --> 00:44:25,980
but also so that we can teach children how to use pikes in those settings.

556
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:34,720
I speak to pets in particular in the project today as well. You saw the condition from last review

557
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:41,740
of the soft siding, the soft curb, certainly not a word here, but the intent from that was that

558
00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:50,260
pets had like a place to walk for not burning their paws. So I spoke to that a little bit,

559
00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:53,760
making sure that there are pet facilities and parks as well.

560
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,540
We don't see a lot of dog parks, but it did speak to that a little bit just in case.

561
00:45:00,110 --> 00:45:09,470
When it might come up or maybe a developer might want to do one at some point, it's really important to think about health and, you know, dogs do in that area.

562
00:45:10,590 --> 00:45:22,670
And I spoke to community gardens, some of the things that we've learned along the way, while I've been here, how to make community gardens the most successful, providing water, providing a tool shed and shade and such like that.

563
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:24,910
I believe that's it.

564
00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:27,510
So I gave you the really quick tour.

565
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:29,510
If any of those topics you want to dig down into,

566
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:32,570
I can go and find them and read that section.

567
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:33,970
Thank you.

568
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:39,430
Do you need any specific guidance from committee members?

569
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:43,190
The action I'm looking for is maybe a verbal vote.

570
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:44,450
This is good.

571
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:46,810
So when I bring them in back in the end,

572
00:45:47,050 --> 00:45:48,190
if I put it all together and say,

573
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:49,310
this is all stuff you voted for,

574
00:45:49,310 --> 00:45:52,630
That's officially voted for at the fine time.

575
00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:53,330
Got it.

576
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:58,810
And how would you like to receive any feedback that committee members have for the section today?

577
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:00,390
We can talk about it today.

578
00:46:00,830 --> 00:46:05,270
If you do have, like, grammar issues or something like that, you can forward it to me.

579
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:09,350
I have trouble reading it, meaning sometimes that might be helpful.

580
00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:13,270
And then you guys can just voice that you want those changes included.

581
00:46:15,210 --> 00:46:16,810
Yeah, I got something to kick us off.

582
00:46:16,810 --> 00:46:22,250
So I think I was control epic shade and I just found one one word

583
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:28,930
And so I think like a little bit more emphasis on shade, but specifically transitional shade

584
00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:37,150
You know, it's great to see tree plantings, but it's 15 to 30 years away before shade occurs

585
00:46:37,890 --> 00:46:43,430
Carter Jones Park is right by my house and the city. It's sort of really nice new play area

586
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:46,490
That's unusable during the day, essentially.

587
00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:51,910
And then, yeah, 15, 20 years, it'll be great when the trees grow up.

588
00:46:51,910 --> 00:47:06,050
So I think emphasizing some type of transitional shade structures in the interim would be nice to be able to point to when we see that on plans to say, hey, you know, what are you planning for now?

589
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:08,190
So that was one comment.

590
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:15,070
And then the other was we have drinking fountains in here and in kind of the general infrastructure.

591
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:21,450
I think that's fine there, but I, every time I brought that up and in here or other places,

592
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:28,190
I always get a lot of pushback from city folks. It's logistically complicated, but it to me is

593
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:34,790
like a basic necessity for our larger parks on Mayo Island. I remember bringing it and

594
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:40,650
And there already is public water moving through there, but then there were concerns about

595
00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:46,870
putting, quote, permanent infrastructure in a flood zone even though we see the island

596
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:47,250
today.

597
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:55,070
So just something maybe there that we could point to that's slightly stronger for, like,

598
00:47:55,570 --> 00:48:01,570
water is a human right access to water that's more less of a, it's kind of like

599
00:48:01,570 --> 00:48:07,190
provision of simple infrastructure such as public toilets, changing spaces, secure cycle parking,

600
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:16,810
like differentiating toilets and maybe light and fountain as safety and basic rights versus

601
00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:22,870
like cycle parking is important, but it's more like infrastructure to me just so we have something

602
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:23,950
and a little stronger at a point.

603
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:26,470
Those will be my two items.

604
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:28,570
Thank you, Mr. Donnell.

605
00:48:29,410 --> 00:48:29,850
Ms. Gimmer.

606
00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:32,270
I also echo the shade common.

607
00:48:32,590 --> 00:48:34,710
And then I didn't know if we have in our guidelines

608
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:35,770
not to use chain link.

609
00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:37,450
I'm thinking about the Oregon Hill Park

610
00:48:37,450 --> 00:48:40,290
that we shade came up and then the fencing came up.

611
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:42,990
And I know you have no chain length elsewhere,

612
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:45,670
but I don't know if you want to add anything

613
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:46,670
in here that's descriptive

614
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:48,570
about what kind of fencing is appropriate.

615
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:50,890
They normally do this split rail, I think,

616
00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:56,470
is the standard. But for product marks it might be nice to give them something.

617
00:48:59,270 --> 00:49:08,370
What other shade, temporary shade structures other than the, what do you call them? Shade cells.

618
00:49:08,670 --> 00:49:10,930
Are there, is that pretty much it? I'm broke.

619
00:49:13,050 --> 00:49:16,070
For like a larger, a play area or something.

620
00:49:16,070 --> 00:49:21,210
Like really predictable awnings, rotating awnings.

621
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:22,970
Just curious.

622
00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:26,890
So in my head, shade sales are kind of like the limited option you have.

623
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:36,690
But to your point of really address how many importance of preserving tree canopy to the fullest extent possible when products are being planned?

624
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:38,090
Yeah, I'm going to agree.

625
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:47,890
I agree with you. I definitely want to put your statements in there, but we do have a shade document provided by the sustainability office.

626
00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:57,650
It was geared more toward private development, but it certainly can apply and provide examples of what shade structures can be.

627
00:49:58,470 --> 00:50:01,850
And that also spoke to shade and the sustainability section.

628
00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:06,030
But again, I definitely agree putting it back in here.

629
00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:07,690
And then shade can also be structural.

630
00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:09,490
It doesn't have to be a shade structure.

631
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:12,770
It can be built into the play structure potentially.

632
00:50:15,570 --> 00:50:16,950
That was going to be my question.

633
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:22,350
Could you remind me how other departments and standards are incorporated by reference?

634
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:26,610
Because I know the Office of Sustainability is doing a lot of...

635
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:31,110
We're through a lot of initiatives that are...

636
00:50:31,110 --> 00:50:31,970
Maybe there's some overlap.

637
00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:39,510
Most of the perceptions have additional guidance at the very end where I'm trying to gather all of those documents and list them.

638
00:50:40,170 --> 00:50:46,210
I did not provide links in here because those links often change and I didn't want it to break in the future chart.

639
00:50:48,130 --> 00:50:52,510
But I did reference them by name in a lot of instances.

640
00:50:52,510 --> 00:50:57,530
I've also read those documents and tried to incorporate things that are applicable to

641
00:50:57,530 --> 00:51:02,010
our reviews in here, so you don't really have to go to those other things unless you want

642
00:51:02,010 --> 00:51:02,870
to really drill down.

643
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:06,850
But you've specifically coordinated with the Office of Sustainability.

644
00:51:07,330 --> 00:51:07,470
Yes.

645
00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:13,460
And another interesting thought, this may be in the sustainability, but I'm thinking

646
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:23,830
of base material for play areas like woodchips, mulch, and being very explicit that recycled

647
00:51:23,830 --> 00:51:30,250
tire or other items like that that are known carcinogens are not used as a base

648
00:51:30,250 --> 00:51:35,070
for areas where kids are playing. I haven't seen that in the city anywhere but

649
00:51:35,070 --> 00:51:39,230
I've seen that a lot in other cities parks that I go to where you smell it

650
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:45,830
before you even get to the play area. Yeah along those lines I think we

651
00:51:45,830 --> 00:51:49,430
should encourage the use of the port-and-place rubber for playgrounds

652
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:53,810
because even though it's a higher initial cost it's do it once and

653
00:51:53,810 --> 00:51:57,070
And that's it. If you use the wood chips or anything like that, you've got to refresh

654
00:51:57,070 --> 00:52:02,530
that every year and it's just an ongoing maintenance thing. Weeds grow in there. The port-in-place

655
00:52:02,530 --> 00:52:07,110
rubber, it's one and done and it's probably the safest material out there.

656
00:52:08,170 --> 00:52:09,570
I wouldn't say it looks the best.

657
00:52:09,870 --> 00:52:16,590
And our guidelines to be general and just say avoid percentage. Maybe I can find a better

658
00:52:16,590 --> 00:52:23,150
sounding sentence. If y'all feel very strongly about that topic, we can hold a hearing

659
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:26,570
with parks so that they can provide their policy decisions.

660
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:29,790
Maybe we can just adopt their decisions.

661
00:52:30,310 --> 00:52:32,790
I know I have worked very closely with all the parks folks,

662
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:33,890
and they're extremely knowledgeable.

663
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:37,890
Far beyond, I can even imagine the things that they know

664
00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:40,170
to include as part of the decisions.

665
00:52:40,810 --> 00:52:42,670
Yeah, and I generally agree with you.

666
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:44,950
The surface is very durable,

667
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:47,830
and it is safe for children playing on it.

668
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:55,730
But not always applicable to all play areas. The new nature exploration area on Bell Islands.

669
00:52:55,890 --> 00:52:57,270
That's true. That's a good example.

670
00:52:58,250 --> 00:53:00,230
To create, allowing for flexibility.

671
00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:10,240
I think it makes sense for you to, if you find something that makes sense like non-hazardous, but I don't know, you know.

672
00:53:10,340 --> 00:53:11,240
Non-hazardous sounds best.

673
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:12,600
Something like that.

674
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,140
We will say healthy non-hazards.

675
00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:20,600
So that sounds kind of logical to me.

676
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,300
Yeah, I'm sad. I don't know how much that will come up.

677
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:28,000
But I would, if someone did come with recycled tire surface,

678
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,200
I would at least, it would be nice to point to that.

679
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:39,120
You had a feedback on this section.

680
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:46,640
And if we have additional feedback, reach out to you via email,

681
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:47,580
you can slide it that way.

682
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:47,840
OK.

683
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,900
And let me go through this really quick.

684
00:53:51,340 --> 00:53:52,900
On the shade, I definitely agree.

685
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,500
We should put some statements in there.

686
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,320
And you have a good point on the transitional shade.

687
00:53:57,820 --> 00:54:00,700
As a structure, the trees actually can grow.

688
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,300
And especially the player is because they've

689
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:06,500
become unusable in the heat.

690
00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:11,180
drinking fountains. I'm going to have to give a little bit of thought on how to phrase that,

691
00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:19,420
but to consider it as public needs versus infrastructure.

692
00:54:20,220 --> 00:54:23,880
And I think that is included in the parks master plan, and I'll take another look at that.

693
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:32,480
There's definitely been a transition in the last two years. I've seen more fountains coming, being proposed for park areas, Browns Island.

694
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,860
and there's a few more popping up in the park system.

695
00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:39,980
So I would say somewhere in the city

696
00:54:39,980 --> 00:54:42,580
it's been taken or you can do it on Browns Island,

697
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:43,560
you can do it on Mayo Island.

698
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,320
The flood issues are the same.

699
00:54:45,820 --> 00:54:47,120
Well, that's not true.

700
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:49,940
There's a huge part of Browns Island

701
00:54:49,940 --> 00:54:51,360
that is above the flood plain

702
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:54,380
where the drainage mountains can be provided by code.

703
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:56,380
But all of Mayo is-

704
00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:57,020
Is it a coded?

705
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,220
I was just checking the current.

706
00:54:58,220 --> 00:55:00,960
It's below the flood plain.

707
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,700
Browns Island that are not in the flood plain.

708
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:07,380
Yeah, so Browns Island is like up right at the fall line

709
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,860
and Mayo is like further down.

710
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,700
So you can't, by pulling code,

711
00:55:18,580 --> 00:55:21,380
you have to have the fountain, you know,

712
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,120
18 inches above the flood plain elevation

713
00:55:24,860 --> 00:55:27,600
or you risk like water contamination.

714
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:31,260
So I hear what you're saying.

715
00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:44,900
I don't think I want people to have water at Mayo Island, but I think there's in that specific instance, you can't risk contaminating the whole water supply.

716
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,420
Maybe you put drinking fountains somewhere along the way on the other side of the flow.

717
00:55:53,420 --> 00:55:55,740
Because you just insulted drinking fountain.

718
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,580
Yeah, Mealy and I worked on that project together.

719
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,080
No, we did it.

720
00:56:00,140 --> 00:56:02,540
We weren't able to because of the same situation.

721
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:03,020
Yeah.

722
00:56:03,140 --> 00:56:06,420
So like they could have a drinking fountain up on their platform.

723
00:56:07,540 --> 00:56:08,420
We do have that.

724
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:08,940
Okay.

725
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,440
Because just a bit ago, what is it?

726
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,800
Two or three months when we were doing the park along there.

727
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:15,480
That street park.

728
00:56:15,660 --> 00:56:16,020
Yeah, that's right.

729
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:17,640
They were talking about the city utilization.

730
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,800
So that wasn't able to happen because of the flood.

731
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:21,340
The flood zone.

732
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:28,160
At the river education center. Yeah, yeah. That was recent then. Yeah, because I was like I was excited. I was like great

733
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,520
But okay, that's good to know just hurt. Yeah, where we can put these things

734
00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:37,820
You have free water up on your up on your plaza there on your your porch

735
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:44,180
It's yes, it's it's just inside the door, but there is a you know water of course up inside there

736
00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:49,100
We film the water station water's on the street

737
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,240
Yeah.

738
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:57,480
And then the next one was no chain link in parks.

739
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:58,540
Is that your goal?

740
00:56:58,860 --> 00:57:05,080
Or I think there are documents that says now we want to avoid maximum extent possible,

741
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:07,220
but if you use it, it has to be mapped black.

742
00:57:07,940 --> 00:57:10,020
You want to save that?

743
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,600
But still, let's just say a strong statement, you should avoid chain link.

744
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:15,080
Can I be?

745
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,500
Yeah, I think that sounds good.

746
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,840
If you have a park that adds tennis courts, that's the default fence around tennis courts.

747
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,000
and it's the appropriate thing.

748
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,620
Didn't we have that one park on Southside where they painted the chain link?

749
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,780
There was an existing chain link there and they painted it as part of the project.

750
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,960
And if you've got it existing and it's in good condition

751
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,820
and you propose to paint it, I think that's acceptable.

752
00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:42,780
But, yeah, no new chain link should be avoided.

753
00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:55,980
Then we just said about base materials. That's it. I just hear a voice consent and I'll don't

754
00:57:55,980 --> 00:58:03,780
mean to bring these back to you. I can't. We have one more chapter. Okay. Very good. Thank you,

755
00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:04,220
Mr. Secretary.

756
00:58:07,210 --> 00:58:12,050
If you want to touch on building an architecture as well. No, okay. It's okay.

757
00:58:12,050 --> 00:58:12,190
Okay.

758
00:58:12,590 --> 00:58:13,490
Minor changes.

759
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:14,270
Awesome.

760
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:15,210
Okay.

761
00:58:16,090 --> 00:58:19,010
That brings us to, did you want to say anything else about the guidelines?

762
00:58:19,610 --> 00:58:20,650
What's up the next one?

763
00:58:21,570 --> 00:58:24,530
The site design slash furnishings.

764
00:58:24,570 --> 00:58:24,730
Okay.

765
00:58:30,060 --> 00:58:32,340
That brings us to the end of the meeting agenda.

766
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,740
A motion for adjournment.

767
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:36,480
Moved.

768
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:37,080
Moved.

769
00:58:37,220 --> 00:58:38,640
Moved by Mr. Pignardi.

770
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:39,500
Seconded by.

771
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:40,120
Second.

772
00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:41,380
Mr. Vanity.

773
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:42,260
All in favor?

774
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:43,020
Aye.

775
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:43,900
Any opposed?

776
00:58:44,620 --> 00:58:45,820
meeting is adjourned.

777
00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:51,080
I was just curious on that side.

778
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,920
So the Scott's Edition Greenway and this project we saw today,

779
00:58:55,620 --> 00:58:58,100
why isn't that one larger project?

780
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,100
Like, you know, why is that sort of thing?

781
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,720
And they're talking about the other group just like from an understanding

782
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:06,740
process for me.

783
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,020
I know they have issues.

784
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,840
I can't think about some projects taking two years.

785
00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:13,320
I don't know.

786
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:16,040
We're getting until the summer.

787
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,220
No, no, no, no, no.

788
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:17,880
That was in the summer.

789
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,080
That was in the summer.

790
00:59:19,540 --> 00:59:19,680
That was in the summer.

791
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,140
That was in the summer.

792
00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:20,560
That was in the summer.

793
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:21,000
That was in the summer.

794
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,060
That was in the summer.

795
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,100
I didn't want to ask her because it's not on her.

796
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,080
And I don't know this.

797
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,120
No, it was just outside of that I was like