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>> good evening, everybody.

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I would like to get the meeting

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started.

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if you take your seats.

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welcome to the april 8th,

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2025, planning and zoning board

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meeting.

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at this time I would ask you all

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to silence your electronic

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devices.

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can you hear me?

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okay.

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at this time I would like to ask

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everyone to silence electronic

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devices while attending the

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planning and zoning meetings.

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for the record, I will take roll

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by calling each planning and

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zoning board member's name. Please

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acknowledge your presence by saying present

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>> scottie richardson.

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>> present.

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>> kevin kofchur.

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>> present.

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>> robert gabaldon.

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>> present.

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>> andrea hankins.

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>> present.

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>> lisa hardisty.

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>> present.

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>> salvatore tortorici.

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>> present.

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>> we have a quorum.

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at this time I would like

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I'd like to ask everybody to please

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join me and stand and say the

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pledge of allegiance.

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[pledge of allegiance]

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>> okay at it time on the agenda

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I will entertain a motion to

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approve the consent calendar.

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there will be no discussion

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unless board members so requests,

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in which an item is moved to the

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discussion item on the regular agenda.

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so, a motion to approve the

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consent calendar.

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I would ask the commissioners to

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identify yourself before you

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make the motion so that the

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recording secretary can get it

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right.

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>> mr. Chair.

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commissioner richardson.

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approve.

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>> okay.

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do I have a second.

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>> commissioner gabaldon,

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second.

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>> a motion and a second.

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any discussion?

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call the roll.

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>> vice chair richardson.

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>> yes.

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>> commissioner kofchur.

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>> yes.

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>> chairman radosevich.

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>> yes.

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>> commissioner gabaldon.

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>> commissioner hankins.

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>> yes.

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>> commissioner hardisty.

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>> yes.

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>> commissioner tortorici.

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>> yes.

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>> motion passes.

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moving on staff presentation report.

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we have planning and zoning monthly

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building activity report and planning and

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zoning monthly summary plat report.

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anything else, anything else to

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add?

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>> mr. Chair, these are your

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regular monthly reports.

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these are non action items.

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I will stand for any questions.

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>> thank you.

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okay public hearings.

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this meeting is going to be

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focused on the old golf course.

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two items being reviewed

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tonight.

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the chamisa hills master plan

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and the associated zone map

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amendment for the property.

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the hearing is being held in

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accordance with the board,

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commissions, committees and

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advisory boards procedures.

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that can be found on the website

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under boards and commissions.

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strict decorum will be enforced

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disruptive behavior.

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everyone who wishes to speak on

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this item should of submitted a

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completed oath before 6:00 p.m.

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if you have not signed up please

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recorder on my left.

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forms can be found at the middle

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for those wishing to speak

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on-line please send a message to

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the staff and indicate if you

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items registration will be

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the schedule for tonight's meet

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south staff will present on both

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items at once followed by a

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this will not be the last step.

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no matter the outcome of this

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meeting tonight the meeting will

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be held by the governing body on

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may the eighth for final

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when the beeper sounds please

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we have a lost people registered

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to make sure everyone is heard

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for those who signed up to speak

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for tonight's meeting or have a

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direct interest or property

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your interest must be an

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comments prior to 4 pm today the

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the board has begun there will

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meeting both items will be heard

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applicant rr mesa llc through

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their consensus planning, inc.

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agent request approval of

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chamisa hills master plan for

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the property legally described

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as chamisa hills country club

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parcels 2, 3, and 5.

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chamisa hills country club west

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track 2. Staff contact is michelle.

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castilla and staff recommends the

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planning and zoning board recommend

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approval to the governing body.

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michelle.

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>> mr. Chair this is

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>> yes, commissioner, go ahead.

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>> so, prior to the presentation

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members of the board that due to

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the fact I own two single family

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homes in the affected area

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touching the golf course

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property tonight considered

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>> commissioner tortorici.

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>> good mr. Chairman and members

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michelle castilla.

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planner with the city of rio

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rancho.

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the subject property is

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approximately 281 acres located

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commonly known as the golf

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west nine, and east nine.

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the property discontinued as a

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functioning golf course and was

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eventually shut down in 2016.

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the city approved a zone map

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amendment for the property on

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april 18th, 2018 under

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ordinance number 4, enactment 18 06.

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changing the zoning from special

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use for golf course to special

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use for planned residential

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on august 7, 2024 the chamisa

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master plan and zma applications and

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the 2018 zoning ordinance

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design including access and

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landscaping.

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implementation and process which

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of a master plan and list of

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included notification fees, out

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parcels not to be considered,

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reclaimed water usage, and open

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space construction schedule.

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development was not carried out

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under the specifications at this

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ordinance.

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the applicant zone map mod my

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cation request seeks to modify

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upon the prior zoning and

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existing ordinance used by staff

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for a reference for the proposed

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zoning ordinance.

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staff finds that the proposed

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density is similar to existing

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zoning and compatible with the

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surrounding residential

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development.

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the north line area is currently

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designated at su for prd.

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recreation for open space for

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park.

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open space and drainage.

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proposed zoning is os open space

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which is similar land use.

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the east nine is currently zoned

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for su for prd.

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recreation and open space.

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single family residential.

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the proposed zoning is os open

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space r3 single family residential

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and c1 retail commercial.

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some of the open space will

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remain as a zoned as single

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family residential.

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additional r3 proposed to the

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east of the existing single family

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residential and also to the west

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adjacent to the proposed mua

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zoning.

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c1 zoning proposed for the east

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end envisioned to be a spa scale

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business complex.

341
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the west nine area is currently

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designated su for prd.

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-- recreation and open space and

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single family residents.

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the proposed zoning is r4 single

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family residential.

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although the entire area is

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proposed as r4 the provided lay

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out in the master plan is

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similar to the existing zoning

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for the lots and open space to

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be located.

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also unit caps for each area in

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the proposed ordinance.

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the central portion of the golf

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course is currently designated

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as su for prd commercial.

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the proposed zoning is mua mixed

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use activity center.

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a similar land use with the

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intent of blending residential,

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civic and office uses in close

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proximity to each other.

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the master plan is made up of

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several distinct development

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areas.

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the develop areas include the

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west nine to be known as lux

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view estates.

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the north nine to be known as

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east view heights open space.

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and the east nine to be known as

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nueva esperanza, vita moderna

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and sierra vista all zoned r3 mixed

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residential and chamisa hills

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business parks zone c1.

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la jolla de rio rancho located

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in zone mua.

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lux view estimates will be

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developed in the former west

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nine area of the golf course.

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it will consist of 110 lots.

383
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it's approximately 74 acres and

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will be zoned r4.

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there will be 1.24 areas of

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acres of open space that will

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serve as buffer areas between

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the new homes and surrounding

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residential and maintained by

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it's own private residential

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home owners association.

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the former east nine area of the

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golf course will be three

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distinct neighborhoods all zoned

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r3.

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sierra vista is a senior

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community that will consist of

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38 lots.

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this area will be within walking

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distance to the la jolla de rio

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rancho center with trail

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connections.

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there will be 0.43 acres of open

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space that will be maintained by

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it's own private hoa.

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vita moderna will consist of 70

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lots. There will be 0.79 acres of

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open space separating from the adjacent homes

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and governed by a private hoa.

410
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staff finds the acquisition of

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city property is the only way

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for the planned access to work in

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this area.

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this will require city review

415
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and approval for the

416
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reconfiguration of the drainage

417
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access and current city

418
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ownership.

419
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nueva espironza will consist of

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84 town homes.

421
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it's the residential community

422
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located farthest east.

423
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partially surrounding the

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islands community.

425
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there will be 0.8 acres of open

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space again governed by a

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private hoa.

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there are two distinct

429
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commercial areas proposed in the

430
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master plan.

431
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chamisa hills business park is

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approximately 6 acres located at

433
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the east portion of the golf

434
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course.

435
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this is proposed to be a small

436
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scale business complex zoned c1.

437
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it will be governed by a private

438
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commercial business association.

439
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la jolla de rio rancho is

440
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17 acres.

441
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centrally located within the

442
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golf course.

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access will be allowed north to

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south through the center but the

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road will be designed for slow

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speeds.

447
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this area will be zoned mua and

448
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also governed by a private

449
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000
commercial association.

450
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the east view heights open space

451
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encompasses the old north nine

452
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portion of the old golf course.

453
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it is approximately 62 acres.

454
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the master plan states this area

455
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will receive trail and landscape

456
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improvements.

457
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estimated at $400,000.

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through a financial guarantee in

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the form of a 5 year bond.

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it also mentions that if the

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funding is not secured from

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other monetary sources in the

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five years the bonding will be

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used as the primary funding

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source for improvements with the

466
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cost not exceeded $400,000.

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staff finds the proposed amount

468
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may not cover the necessary cost

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of the open space improvements.

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the proposed zoning ordinance

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will require the landscape

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development rehabilitation and

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revegetation plan of the open

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space areas shall address the

475
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current conditions and ability

476
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of the open space to include

477
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seeding, planting, and water

478
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maintenance until all natural

479
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vegetation is established.

480
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additionally environmental site

481
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assessment will be submitted to

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prior to or in connection with

483
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the land use applications for

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all phases of development.

485
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,000
staff finds that the dedication

486
00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000
and future ownership of this

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area remains uncertain.

488
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000
a requirement dictated by the

489
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proposed zoning ordinances that

490
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,000
the land developer must

491
00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000
establish and a identify the

492
00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,000
ownership or non profit

493
00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,000
organization prior to sale of

494
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000
any lots.

495
00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000
there is to system proposed to

496
00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000
restrict access to those not opt

497
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to join the master hoa.

498
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that may lead to complications

499
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with the adjacent residents.

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the proposed ordinance will be

501
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require a pedestrian access

502
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management plan established for

503
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open spaces to address how

504
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000
access will be regulated.

505
00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000
staff also finds that the given

506
00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,000
lot counts may not in the long

507
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term be able to support

508
00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,000
respected residential hoas and

509
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master hoa for the proposed

510
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acreage, reoccurring maintenance

511
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cost and improved requirements

512
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for the mentions areas. A dedicated

513
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park of approximately 11 acres is

514
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proposed in the master plan.

515
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the park is described as open

516
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grass space with interior trails

517
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and various amenities.

518
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staff finds proposed amenities

519
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for a park this size may not

520
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meet the required elements as

521
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outlined by the development

522
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process manual.

523
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a requirement states that the

524
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park shall meet the requirements

525
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has been included in the

526
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proposed ordinance.

527
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the dedication and future

528
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ownership of this area remains

529
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uncertain.

530
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a requirement dictated by the

531
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proposed zoning ordinance is

532
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that the land developer must

533
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establish and identify the

534
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owner, association or nonprofit

535
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corporation prior to the sale of

536
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any lots.

537
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based on staff review it appears

538
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feasible to approve the

539
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applicants request and zone map

540
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amendment given that all

541
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requirements addressed in the

542
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zoning ordinance are met along

543
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with any staff comments that

544
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have not yet been addressed

545
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including the red line of the

546
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master plan.

547
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key factors that should be

548
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,000
especially considered are open

549
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,000
space, the park, access and

550
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governance.

551
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staff feels the main areas of

552
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concern can be addressed through

553
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the red lines provided by staff.

554
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through the regulations,

555
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conditions and standards drafted

556
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into the zoning ordinance which

557
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000
is more detailed than the

558
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typical ordinance.

559
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,000
staff .therefore recommends

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planning and zoning board

561
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recommend approval to the

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governing body of the chamisa

563
00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000
hills master plan with zone map

564
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amendments findings and

565
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conditions.

566
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with that I will stand for any

567
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questions.

568
00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000
>> thank you, michelle.

569
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amy.

570
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>> mr. Chair, we had a lot of e-mail

571
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comments in the packets.

572
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I wanted to address those before

573
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we get going.

574
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I have a couple of click slides

575
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I want to run through.

576
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let's see if it, oh -- .

577
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seeing this from the distance.

578
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bare with me.

579
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>> so the first thing we want to

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talk about is notifications.

581
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so the first slide that I have

582
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up here is from the development

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process manual the dpm.

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in this situation it has general

585
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information and guidance on

586
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notifications.

587
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>> if you see in the red circle

588
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I have here the last sentence of

589
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the red circle talks about that

590
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reaching out to dsd staff about

591
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specific information related to

592
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notification requirements.

593
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everything below it is our

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general standards.

595
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there are each with individual

596
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,000
standards.

597
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000
when we get into our municipal

598
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,000
code.

599
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,600
this is from our city municipal

600
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000
code chapter 150 we have a

601
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,000
breakdown of applications and

602
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000
procedures.

603
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000
we have our zone map amendments

604
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,000
and master plan.

605
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,000
for zone map amendments we

606
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,000
follow state statute.

607
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,600
I want to point out the

608
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,000
governing body that you have

609
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,000
previously mentions.

610
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,000
this is a recommending body for

611
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,000
the final decision for them to

612
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,000
make.

613
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,000
there are a lot of other items

614
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,000
the planning zoning board is the

615
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,000
final decision maker just not

616
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,000
this situation.

617
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,800
I want to focus on section b is

618
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,000
the next part I want to talk

619
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000
about and then making sure we

620
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000
are publishing our notice 15

621
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,000
days prior to the hearing.

622
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,000
so when we are handling that one

623
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,000
we are looking at our legal ad.

624
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,000
our legal ad is something we run

625
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,000
in the albuquerque journal it

626
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,000
has a sigh circulation in the

627
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,000
city of rio rancho.

628
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,000
we find it's a good newspaper

629
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,000
for to us run the legal ads.

630
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,000
it was ran march 24th, 2025.

631
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,600
the next section talks about you

632
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,000
will see I skipped a sentence.

633
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000
that was talk ing about rezoning

634
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,000
something smaller than a block.

635
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000
we are rezoning something larger

636
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,000
than a block.

637
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000
so we are looking sure to make

638
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000
sure our noticed are made first

639
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000
class mail to the owners.

640
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,000
as shown on record with the

641
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000
county treasurer.

642
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,000
we don't include right of way.

643
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,000
we are looking a hundred feet in

644
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000
our, from the boundary, from the

645
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000
property line, excuse me of,

646
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000
what is being proposed for the

647
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,000
zoning change.

648
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,000
and then we do have -- let me go

649
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,000
back.

650
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000
one of the things I wanted to

651
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000
note at the bottom of this one

652
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,000
we had 685 letter noticed s

653
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000
mailed out march 17th.

654
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,400
of those 685, 107 were returned.

655
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000
that takes us to the next

656
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,000
portion of state statute so that

657
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,000
would be the last line of

658
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,000
section b.

659
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,000
that talks about if we do have

660
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,000
returned letters or something

661
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,000
that is undelivered then we have

662
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,000
to work at finding the most up

663
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000
to date address and send out a

664
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000
second notification via

665
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000
certified mail.

666
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000
so we have sent out 108

667
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,000
certified letters.

668
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,000
45 of those, of those we have

669
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000
received the little green card

670
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000
that comes back with the

671
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000
signatures.

672
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000
so we just wanted to talk

673
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000
through, I wanted to talk

674
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000
through just those notification

675
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000
that's have been mailed out.

676
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,000
along with the fact that we did,

677
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000
for the requirement of the city

678
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,400
municipal code have signage

679
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000
placed on the property.

680
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000
so we gave nine signs to the

681
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000
applicant to put up around the

682
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000
property as many locations as

683
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000
possible to get again an extra

684
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000
level of notification out to the

685
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,000
public.

686
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,200
the next section we want to talk

687
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,000
about, when we talk about --

688
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,000
bear with me.

689
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,000
sorry.

690
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,000
the clicking back and forth.

691
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,000
one of the other things on the

692
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,000
signs that came up is that there

693
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,000
was concern this was being fast

694
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000
tracked because of the fact that

695
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,000
on the signage that we put the

696
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,400
governing body meeting date.

697
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,000
this is for larger items.

698
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000
when we have items going to be

699
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,000
governing body and planning and

700
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,000
zoning board is not the final

701
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,000
decision maker we want to make

702
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000
sure to get out the information

703
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,000
as early and as to as many

704
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,000
people as possible.

705
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000
we put these on the notice

706
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000
signs.

707
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000
one of the other things to note

708
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,000
is that in state statute there

709
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000
is no requirement for us to do

710
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000
the notice signs.

711
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000
this is only in city code.

712
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
it's only required in front of

713
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000
the planning and zoning board.

714
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,000
there is no other signage that

715
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000
will go up on the property prior

716
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,000
to the governing body meeting.

717
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000
this is the one chance to get it

718
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000
out on the signage.

719
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,000
we thought it was a good way to

720
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000
get the information out there.

721
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
it is also very typical for us

722
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000
to schedule, I'm sorry to

723
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000
schedule the governing body

724
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000
meeting one month after the

725
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000
planning and zoning board

726
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000
meeting.

727
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000
that's the general scheduling

728
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000
rotation as we move through to

729
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000
make sure we meet all

730
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000
notification requirements.

731
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000
one thing I want to talk about

732
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000
too tonight is if there are no

733
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
changes in the applicant's

734
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000
request or applicant this is

735
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000
scheduled for may 8th.

736
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,000
if there are substantial changes

737
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000
to the application we will look

738
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,000
for a postponent so we're able

739
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000
to review the changes before and

740
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,000
bring it back to the planning

741
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,000
and zoning board for a full

742
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,000
review before it moves onto the

743
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,000
governing body.

744
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000
the last two things here.

745
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,000
I have a section here for the

746
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000
new mexico state statutes open

747
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
meetings.

748
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
so when we look at open meetings

749
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,000
what we have to make sure is the

750
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,000
agenda needs to be posted 72

751
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000
hours prior to the meeting.

752
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,000
so, we actually aim to post our

753
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000
agendas at least a week in

754
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,000
advance.

755
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,600
this one we have public comments

756
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000
it was posted wednesday.

757
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,000
well within the 72 hours, well

758
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,000
before that.

759
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000
so I wanted to address some of

760
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,000
those comments that we had

761
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000
already seen and address those

762
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,000
early to focus on the items

763
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,000
themselves this evening.

764
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,000
>> thank you, amy.

765
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000
at this time is the applicant

766
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000
present.

767
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,400
and have a presentation.

768
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000
>> thank you.

769
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
[inaudible]

770
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,400
>> does this work better?

771
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,000
okay.

772
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000
alright.

773
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,000
I can do this.

774
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,800
I have to use both hands on the

775
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
clicker.

776
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,000
once again -- planning

777
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,000
representing the project and a

778
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,000
long time coming I think the

779
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000
master plan to redevelop the

780
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
former golf course properties.

781
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000
I do have a presentation.

782
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
I will try to go through it as

783
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000
quickly as I can.

784
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,400
get this cued up.

785
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
there we go.

786
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,000
here here to talk about the

787
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
master plan.

788
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000
-- the audience.

789
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,000
alright.

790
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000
so first of all let's talk about

791
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,000
the project team.

792
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,000
so steve chavez is the property

793
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,000
owner with rr mesa llc.

794
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,000
we have myself, michael wright

795
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,400
with consensus planning for

796
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000
designing.

797
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000
community design solutions are

798
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000
the civil engineers for the

799
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,000
project.

800
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,000
sheldon greer is here, lead

801
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000
civil engineer on the project.

802
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000
fbt architects prepared a lot of

803
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
the master plan, design

804
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,400
guidelines, and the sketches.

805
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000
the wonderful sketches in the

806
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,000
document.

807
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000
some of the character studies

808
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,000
done for the project were done

809
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000
by fbt architects.

810
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,600
harry relkin son line helping us

811
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000
with government issues.

812
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000
kim murphy with altura real

813
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,400
estate llc is on-line.

814
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000
and tierra west has done the

815
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,000
traffic management report.

816
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000
I believe that terry brown

817
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000
should also be on-line relative

818
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
to the project team.

819
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,600
a be in of neighbor hood

820
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,400
associations impact the project.

821
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
I won't speak for them.

822
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,000
they are here in the room and

823
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
on-line this evening.

824
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000
alright.

825
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000
a little bit of history.

826
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,000
as I mention this has been a

827
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,000
long time coming to get to this

828
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,000
point.

829
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,600
we have the north 9 closed in

830
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,400
2013, a long time ago.

831
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000
the balance of the course closed

832
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000
in 2014.

833
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,400
club house fire in 2019.

834
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000
that fire occurred in the club

835
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000
house building was raised at

836
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,000
that point.

837
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,000
the property cleaned up.

838
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,600
the master plan, there was an

839
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,000
attempt for a first master plan

840
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,000
denied in 2020.

841
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,400
ownership changed, mr. Chavez

842
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,400
purchased the property in 2022.

843
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,000
what is the master plan.

844
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,000
the master plan.

845
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,000
I want to make sure I know for

846
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000
the commissioners, you all

847
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,000
understand this, obviously staff

848
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000
does.

849
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,000
for the folks in the audience.

850
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000
so maybe part of answering what

851
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000
is the master plan is what is it

852
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000
not.

853
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000
the master plan establishes a

854
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000
framework.

855
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,000
it is an aspiration al document.

856
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000
it takes the city's

857
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000
comprehensive plan and those

858
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000
goals and policies and tries to

859
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,000
translate that into a project

860
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,000
specific area.

861
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000
in this case the area that was

862
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000
formerly the golf course

863
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000
property.

864
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
establishes design standards,

865
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,000
anticipated product types,

866
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000
density, and what it does not do

867
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,000
is prepare subdivision plats or

868
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,000
site plans that are required in

869
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
order to actually do any

870
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,000
development within the master

871
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,000
plan area.

872
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,600
so, once again the master plan

873
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000
creates that framework.

874
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
creates the aspiration al

875
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,000
aspects of the project so that

876
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,000
when future site plans and

877
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000
subdivision plants come through

878
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000
the process they are judged

879
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,000
against whether or not they meet

880
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000
the standards and the goals

881
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
established with the master

882
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000
plan.

883
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,200
so we identify a number of new

884
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400
development areas within this

885
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
property.

886
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000
the residential we have the lux

887
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,000
vista.

888
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000
the single family area the

889
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
former west 9.

890
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,600
we have vida m. Sierra vista

891
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000
over fifty five adult community.

892
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,200
we have nueva e that is single

893
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000
family.

894
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,000
this project would allow single

895
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
family homes to develop in

896
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000
portions of what was the golf

897
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000
course fairways.

898
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
the town center is the former,

899
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,000
the area that was the golf club

900
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,000
house.

901
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,400
this is mixed muse.

902
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,000
this is important.

903
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000
this area is designed to be a

904
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,000
gathering space, a focal point

905
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,600
for the community and around a

906
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000
public plaza.

907
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
we have worked with the city of

908
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000
rio rancho staff to make sure,

909
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
one of the issues that happened

910
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000
when we first started the

911
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,000
project was connecting the north

912
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
and south fairways would this be

913
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000
a thoroughfare that would be a

914
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,000
problem for the community.

915
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
you can see from the plan that

916
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
basically you come in, if you

917
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,000
come from the south you hit the

918
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,000
public plaza.

919
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000
it's a one way street around the

920
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,000
plaza.

921
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,000
there is on-street parking

922
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000
throughout the town center.

923
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
it's really designed to be a

924
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,000
place where like if you tried to

925
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
go through here to get

926
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000
north/south as a shortcut you

927
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000
would quickly realize it's a

928
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000
shortcut that takes a long time

929
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,000
to get through.

930
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000
the speed limit will be low.

931
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000
it's not a fast route.

932
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000
that's by design.

933
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000
we want people to come into the

934
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000
town center, park once, go to

935
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,000
several things.

936
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000
designed for retail shops,

937
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000
coffee shops, restaurants,

938
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,000
public plaza, a gym, some minor

939
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000
residential duplexes on the

940
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000
north end and second story

941
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,000
residential is one of the goals

942
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000
for the town center.

943
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
so we actually have a place

944
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,000
where people live, work, shop,

945
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,600
and play at the same place.

946
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
I will talk a little about the

947
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000
public part later on in the

948
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,400
presentation or the neighbor

949
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,400
hood park that's adjacent.

950
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000
we plan for the parking of the

951
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
town center for the park.

952
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,600
we don't want to use valuable

953
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,000
park space for parking be want

954
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,000
to share with the park center.

955
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,000
that's a goal for this area as

956
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000
well.

957
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,000
sketches.

958
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,400
we anticipate multi story

959
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000
buildings in this area.

960
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,400
two and three stories.

961
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000
capture views and provide the

962
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
focal point the heart of the

963
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
community.

964
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000
there is also a new proposed

965
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,000
business center located on the

966
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000
east end of the project.

967
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000
that has excellent access to

968
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000
high resort boulevard and new

969
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
mexico 528.

970
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000
we anticipate single story

971
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
offices, medical offices,

972
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000
presbyterian facility is already

973
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,400
located adjacent to the

974
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,000
property.

975
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
a pharmacy and other service as

976
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
associated with that area.

977
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,000
this is a site plan that shows

978
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,000
how you could access that

979
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,000
property and get access to

980
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,400
parking and the significant

981
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,400
buffer between this development

982
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,400
and residents next door.

983
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
so the east view heights, the

984
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000
former north nine is designated

985
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
to be open space.

986
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
and no development is allowed to

987
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
take place in that area.

988
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
it will be maintained as open

989
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,000
space with walking trails for

990
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000
residents.

991
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
the goal is structured in the

992
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
master plan is hopefully to find

993
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000
either a local government entity

994
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000
that would take that over for

995
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,200
the long term or a non profit

996
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
for that open space.

997
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,000
we feel strongly that's the best

998
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
long term solution for the area.

999
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
since there is no new

1000
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
development going in, in that

1001
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000
area.

1002
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
so it's disconnected, if you

1003
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000
will, from the rest of the

1004
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000
project.

1005
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
zoning, I'm skipping that to

1006
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
talk about access.

1007
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,000
one of the unique things about

1008
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,000
the project.

1009
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
it's a former golf course and

1010
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
it's basically fairways that

1011
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,400
extend throughout the different

1012
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000
neighborhood areas.

1013
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
the access into the different

1014
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000
portions of the development come

1015
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
from different streets,

1016
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000
different traffic patterns.

1017
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,000
that's why we did, worked with

1018
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000
the city staff for the traffic

1019
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000
management plan that is in as an

1020
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000
appendix in the document looking

1021
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,000
how the traffic is distributed

1022
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,000
around the community.

1023
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,000
we felt that was really

1024
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
important.

1025
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000
I want to be clear part of the

1026
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000
city of rio rancho development

1027
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,000
process is that detailed traffic

1028
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000
impact studies are done at the

1029
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000
time of site plan or subdivision

1030
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000
plats.

1031
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
so those would be reviewed and

1032
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000
that detailed traffic study

1033
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
would happen at that time if the

1034
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,000
city warrants a scale of

1035
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,000
development as needing to have

1036
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,000
that done.

1037
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,200
the report in the study looks at

1038
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,000
traffic system wide.

1039
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,000
how does it get into the area,

1040
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000
streets used and making sure we

1041
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
didn't overload the existing

1042
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000
streets and street network as

1043
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,000
part of the project.

1044
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
trails.

1045
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
there is a combination of multi

1046
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000
use trails and walking paths.

1047
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000
it's anticipated they would be

1048
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,000
pressure pine, soft surface and

1049
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000
provide access throughout.

1050
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
one of the things when we talk

1051
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,000
about the open space and trails

1052
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000
is there is the development

1053
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
areas and the individual hoas.

1054
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000
when one of those developments

1055
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,000
takes place the construction and

1056
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,400
implementation of the open

1057
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000
space, landscape, trails will

1058
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000
take place associated with each

1059
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,400
of the individual neighborhood

1060
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
developments that take place.

1061
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000
so there is a portion that had

1062
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
open space that is attached to

1063
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000
each of those new neighborhoods

1064
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
that would come on-line when

1065
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,000
they development.

1066
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,600
that would be part of the

1067
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000
individual hoa.

1068
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
as mentioned in the staff's

1069
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
presentation there is an

1070
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
anticipated over arching master

1071
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000
hoa that makes sure the hoas

1072
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,000
are talking to each other and

1073
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
the over all maintenance and

1074
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,000
implementation of the open space

1075
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000
and trails occurs in a

1076
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400
consistent manner throughout the

1077
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000
project.

1078
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
it's important to know they're

1079
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
for the individual hoas that

1080
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000
come on-line.

1081
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000
this is a graphic that shows the

1082
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
trails.

1083
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
along the west nine, buffer

1084
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,000
along the perimeter including

1085
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000
walking trails.

1086
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000
the multi use trail basically

1087
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,000
gets you through the

1088
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000
neighborhood park, into the town

1089
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000
center, and then from the town

1090
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,000
center out to high -- boulevard

1091
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
and the business area at the

1092
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,000
east end of the project.

1093
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,400
then individual walking paths

1094
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
would be developed in the

1095
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
various neighborhoods in

1096
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
addition to that.

1097
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,600
the idea is there is master

1098
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
association and then individual

1099
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000
associations.

1100
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,200
the la jolla rio rancho is the

1101
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000
town center with a commercial

1102
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
property a zone responsibility

1103
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
for the maintenance of the plaza

1104
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
and private parks on the entry

1105
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
of the north end, as well as the

1106
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
interior street system.

1107
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,000
those will be private.

1108
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,000
that is done because we really

1109
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
want to make sure the speed

1110
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,400
limit is very low.

1111
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
it will be restricted within

1112
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,000
that area and the same with the

1113
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
chamisa hills.

1114
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
this is a park that is more

1115
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
traditional office development

1116
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
area.

1117
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
that would have it's own

1118
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
commercial property and

1119
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
association responsible for the

1120
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
maintenance of the open space

1121
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,400
associated with those projects

1122
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,000
as well.

1123
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,600
you can see the various hoas

1124
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000
identified.

1125
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,000
think of these as bulk tracks

1126
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,000
that would be created and sold

1127
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000
to the individual developments.

1128
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,000
they would be then responsible

1129
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000
for their associated open space

1130
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000
and portions of the trail

1131
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,000
network.

1132
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,600
zoning done for the project with

1133
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000
the prd, there were agreements

1134
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,000
made.

1135
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000
the intent is to honor the

1136
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,000
agreements.

1137
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,000
so the west nine where it says

1138
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,400
r4 the settlement agreement

1139
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,400
delineates that's to be

1140
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,400
developed r1 standards, single

1141
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000
story.

1142
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
specifies 65-foot wide buffer on

1143
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,000
the perimeter.

1144
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000
those agreements will be honored

1145
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000
with the future development of

1146
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,000
that area as well as the sort of

1147
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
central point with this, the

1148
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,600
vida m. Sub did I commission

1149
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,400
developed with r2 standards.

1150
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,400
it says I r3.

1151
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,000
those are lot width and a height

1152
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000
limit associated with that.

1153
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000
alright.

1154
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,000
so, the master plan, once again

1155
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
this, this graphic is aspiration

1156
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,800
al we feel that the lay outs and

1157
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000
they're something that works.

1158
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,000
community design solutions,

1159
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,400
civil engineers, do the

1160
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000
individual layouts.

1161
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,000
a lot of work in the city of rio

1162
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,400
rancho and understand the

1163
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000
subdivision and platting

1164
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
process.

1165
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,000
but anything shown on here is

1166
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
pure aspiration al.

1167
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
coordinating with the city staff

1168
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,000
if traffic impact studies are

1169
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000
required, grading, design,

1170
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000
drainage, utility planning.

1171
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000
awful that is done during

1172
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,400
preliminary and final plats.

1173
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000
same with the commercial areas.

1174
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,600
those are subject to a site

1175
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,000
plan.

1176
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,000
the site plan has to be done and

1177
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000
reviewed and approved by the

1178
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
city prior to building permits

1179
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
for that area as well.

1180
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000
those areas as well.

1181
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000
this is an annotated version

1182
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,000
where I noted the restrictions

1183
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,000
earlier.

1184
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,000
the lot development standards,

1185
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,000
height limits and buffer

1186
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000
requirements that are noted as

1187
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000
part of those specific areas.

1188
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,600
with that thank you very much.

1189
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000
I know a lot of people are here

1190
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,000
to speak as well.

1191
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,000
I am available to answer

1192
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000
questions.

1193
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000
if there are hard questions I

1194
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000
will farm those off to others on

1195
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,000
the project team.

1196
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,000
any easy ones I'm happy to

1197
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,000
address with.

1198
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
that thank you very much for

1199
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,400
your time this evening.

1200
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,000
we appreciate and we're excited

1201
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000
to see this project before you

1202
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,000
this evening.

1203
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000
there has been a lot of work

1204
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000
that has gone into getting it to

1205
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000
this point.

1206
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,600
I'm somema sorry it's taken as

1207
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
long as it has to get to this

1208
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000
point.

1209
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,000
we feel good we have a master

1210
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,600
plan and document that we feel

1211
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,000
very good about and we think

1212
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
aspiration alley it sets the

1213
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000
right tone for what could and

1214
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000
should happen with these

1215
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,000
projects.

1216
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000
with that thank you.

1217
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
>> thank you, jim.

1218
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,600
so, next, the way we will

1219
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,000
conduct this is entertain a

1220
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000
motion to approve the master

1221
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000
plan.

1222
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
we always make a motion in the

1223
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
affirmative.

1224
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,000
after we have a motion and a

1225
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000
second then we will open it up

1226
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000
for discussion.

1227
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,000
and again I will ask everyone to

1228
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
keyed comments addressed to the

1229
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
board.

1230
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000
this is not a back and forth

1231
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000
conversation.

1232
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000
your questions may or will not

1233
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,000
be asked during the public

1234
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000
comment.

1235
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,000
the board may ask either staff

1236
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,000
or the applicant to address

1237
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000
questions during the discussion

1238
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,000
portion of the meeting.

1239
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,000
once the public comment period

1240
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,000
has closed and discussion of the

1241
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
board has begun no further

1242
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000
comments or questions will be

1243
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000
taken from the public.

1244
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,000
once again it's not the last

1245
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000
step.

1246
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,000
the board is making a

1247
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,000
recommendation and not a final

1248
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000
decision.

1249
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,000
both items will be heard by the

1250
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,000
governoring body on may 8th.

1251
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,000
at this time I would like to

1252
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,000
enter tan a motion to approve

1253
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,000
item number 4, master plan.

1254
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000
>> motion to approve.

1255
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
>> a motion, richardson.

1256
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,000
a second.

1257
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000
>> commissioner hankins, I will

1258
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,000
second.

1259
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,000
>> a motion and a second.

1260
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,000
at this time we will, staff will

1261
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,200
call the people up for -- we

1262
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
will call people up in favor

1263
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,000
first.

1264
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000
you will have two or thee

1265
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,000
minutes.

1266
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
state your name, council

1267
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,000
district.

1268
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000
>> tim burkey.

1269
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
>> scott e.

1270
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,000
>> okay.

1271
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,000
seeing no other comments in

1272
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,000
favor.

1273
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,000
we will now move onto those

1274
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,000
opposed.

1275
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,000
>> thomas wright.

1276
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,400
>> thomas wright district 4 --

1277
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
[not able to hear clearly]

1278
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000
I have the proof here

1279
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
concerning the master plan and

1280
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,600
mostly -- hoa and the 110 homes.

1281
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000
we're not included.

1282
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,000
we have never been talked to by

1283
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,000
anyone concerning this plan.

1284
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,600
we have been ignored once again.

1285
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,000
we are totally surrounded by

1286
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
this plan.

1287
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,000
one hundred percent.

1288
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,000
the pond remediation is not

1289
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,000
complete.

1290
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,000
our property adjacent to the

1291
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,000
pools haven't been repaired.

1292
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,000
our property markers have been

1293
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,000
destroyed.

1294
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,000
we request inclusion and

1295
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,000
participation by mr. Chavez and

1296
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,000
rio rancho to make sure -- our

1297
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,400
hoa4 controlling the property

1298
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,000
totally surrounding us.

1299
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000
>> thank you for your comments.

1300
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,000
>> michael farrell.

1301
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,400
>> I can't hear him.

1302
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,400
[can not hear speaker]

1303
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,000
>> mr. Chair, I don't know.

1304
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,000
I think I will leave that to

1305
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,000
your discretion.

1306
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
>> you have two minutes to speak

1307
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,400
if you would like.

1308
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000
>> hello, can you hear me okay.

1309
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,000
how about now?

1310
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,000
okay.

1311
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,000
good evening.

1312
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,000
thank you my name is doctor

1313
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000
matthew brady h.

1314
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,000
I'm a new resident to rio

1315
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,000
rancho.

1316
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,000
I want to second the statement.

1317
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
we were not well informed of

1318
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,600
this at all in my opinion.

1319
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,000
beyond this, that open space

1320
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
means a lot to the people in

1321
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,000
that area.

1322
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,000
people play there.

1323
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
people walk there.

1324
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
part of the reason people have

1325
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,000
purchased these properties in

1326
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
the first place is for the view

1327
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,000
of our beautiful mountains, of

1328
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,000
our beautiful city.

1329
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,000
this project will ruin that.

1330
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,000
this project in my personal

1331
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000
opinion degrade home values.

1332
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,000
I don't see it being a good long

1333
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,000
term invest ment for the city.

1334
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,000
it's certainly not a good

1335
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,000
investment for the residents

1336
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,000
that live there.

1337
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,600
I don't think this will engender

1338
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,000
feelings of trust or faith in

1339
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,000
our city if this just goes

1340
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,000
through the way it's been going.

1341
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
thank you, have a great evening.

1342
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,000
I appreciate the opportunity to

1343
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,000
speak.

1344
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,000
>> thank you for your comments,

1345
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,000
sir.

1346
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000
>> jason foster.

1347
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000
>> thank you, commissioners.

1348
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,000
I appreciate letting us know

1349
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,000
that everyone was notified

1350
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,000
correctly.

1351
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,000
when I asked yesterday how I was

1352
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,000
notified correctly.

1353
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,000
she ignored me.

1354
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000
I assume her answer this evening

1355
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000
is my response which is how was

1356
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,000
I notified?

1357
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
I never received first class

1358
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,000
mail.

1359
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000
I never received a certified

1360
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000
letter.

1361
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
she informed me that her, my

1362
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000
mail was on her desk with

1363
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,000
someone else's name.

1364
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,000
the sandoval county is able to

1365
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000
give me a property tax bill

1366
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,000
every single year.

1367
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,000
so I'm not understanding how the

1368
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,000
city can not take that same

1369
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,400
document that sandoval county

1370
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000
uses to provide me with mail.

1371
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000
I haven't been notified.

1372
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,000
this hearing shouldn't happen.

1373
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,000
there are dozens of others that

1374
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000
haven't been notified.

1375
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,000
until they were notified

1376
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,000
socially per state statute this

1377
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
hearing shouldn't of happened.

1378
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,000
in terms of mr. Strozers'

1379
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,400
comments purely illustrative and

1380
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,000
aspiration al.

1381
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,000
that sounds like when your

1382
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,000
parents gave you a big box at 8

1383
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,000
years old.

1384
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000
you asked for an rc toy and you

1385
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,000
opened it up and there were

1386
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,000
socks.

1387
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000
this is shining wrapping paper

1388
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,000
filled with coal.

1389
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,000
they haven't demonstrated any of

1390
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,000
this stuff can be done.

1391
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000
I understand y'all will approve

1392
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,000
it later on we will hope some

1393
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,000
engineering study comes out they

1394
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,000
can do it.

1395
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,000
the problem I have is y'all

1396
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,000
won't put restrictions on the

1397
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,000
new zoning changes.

1398
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,000
it won't allow mr. Chavez to

1399
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,000
essentially sell off parcels to

1400
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,000
the highest bidder to make a ton

1401
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,000
of money.

1402
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,400
thank you, very much.

1403
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,000
>> thank you for your comments,

1404
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,000
sir.

1405
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,000
>> michael --

1406
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,600
>> I have a couple of comments

1407
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,000
my name is michael k.

1408
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,000
>> if you state your name and

1409
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,000
address please.

1410
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
>> getting ready to do that.

1411
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000
my name is michael k.

1412
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,200
I live at 3469calle -- I'm a

1413
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,000
member of the north nine

1414
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
neighborhood board and

1415
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,000
association.

1416
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000
I would like to make two points.

1417
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,000
first I do not believe the

1418
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000
ordinance should be passed onto

1419
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000
the city council for approval.

1420
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,000
the reason why I state this is

1421
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,000
the master plan identifies three

1422
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,000
distinct areas as open space.

1423
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,000
while only 62 acres of east

1424
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,000
views heights open space is

1425
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000
captured in the ordinance.

1426
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,000
the zoning map shows an

1427
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,000
additional 27 acres for the

1428
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000
nueva e community.

1429
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,000
that acreage is not contained in

1430
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,000
the ordinance.

1431
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,600
there is also acreage for open

1432
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,000
space associated with lux view

1433
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,000
estate.

1434
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,000
that is not in the ordinance

1435
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
either.

1436
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,600
now, we need to revies the

1437
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,000
ordinance.

1438
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000
if you go to page 47 of the

1439
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,000
master plan you will see that

1440
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,000
these communities do have open

1441
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,000
space identified.

1442
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,000
all open space should be

1443
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,000
codified in the ordinance to

1444
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
prevent future development.

1445
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
secondly, the master plan should

1446
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,000
not be passed until a detailed

1447
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,000
explanation of how the proposed

1448
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,000
pid as part of the master hoa

1449
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,000
will be executed and

1450
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,000
implemented.

1451
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,000
the residents of east view

1452
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,000
heights should be included in

1453
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,000
the thinking behind the pid.

1454
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000
now I will say that we as a

1455
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,000
board did meet with steve on a

1456
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000
number of occasions.

1457
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,000
five occasions.

1458
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,000
the last meeting I believe was

1459
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
in june of 2024.

1460
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,600
we have had no discussions since

1461
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,400
with conscience planning or

1462
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,000
anyone else about the pid, about

1463
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,400
the master hoa, etcetera,

1464
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,000
through for letting me comment.

1465
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,000
>> thank you for your comments,

1466
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,000
sir.

1467
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,000
>> wayne p.

1468
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000
>> good evening.

1469
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,000
my name is wayne p.

1470
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,000
I'm on the board of the north

1471
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,000
nine neighborhood association.

1472
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,000
I have lived on the north nine

1473
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,000
for 22 years.

1474
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,000
as such I attended three in

1475
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,000
person meetings with mr. Chavez.

1476
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,000
he made many assertions and

1477
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,000
promises.

1478
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,000
most of which that have not come

1479
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,000
true.

1480
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,000
instead of maintaining the north

1481
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,000
nine in any order as he pledged

1482
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000
it's been turned into a speedway

1483
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,400
for motorcycles, four wheelers,

1484
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,000
cars and trucks.

1485
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,400
the destruction the invaders

1486
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,400
have denuded some sections.

1487
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,000
we're left with a dust storm

1488
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,400
that takes professional cleaning

1489
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,000
to clean up.

1490
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,000
we requested him place no

1491
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,000
trespassing signs to stop some

1492
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000
of the idiot see.

1493
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,000
this is what we got.

1494
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,000
look at this.

1495
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,000
postage stamps.

1496
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,000
you tell me this is how someone

1497
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,000
is going to maintain a property,

1498
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,000
how can we trust this person at

1499
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,600
a minimum raise that bond to 700

1500
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000
grand.

1501
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000
not a token 400.

1502
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,000
you know.

1503
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,000
I'm of the adage, I'm of the age

1504
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,000
that I believe the proof is in

1505
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,000
the pudding.

1506
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,000
I have to tell you recently I

1507
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,000
have listened to the shania

1508
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,000
twain song "you don't impress me

1509
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000
much."

1510
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,000
how can any of us trust a

1511
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,000
developer who says they will do

1512
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,000
something they can't keep up

1513
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,000
simple maintenance.

1514
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,000
but I'm also quite puzzled as to

1515
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,000
how restrictions that were

1516
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,000
placed on this master plan in

1517
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,000
december of 2024 suddenly

1518
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,000
disappeared.

1519
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,000
maybe that's a question that a

1520
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,000
jury of our peers will up matily

1521
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000
answer.

1522
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,000
>> thank you for your comments.

1523
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,000
>> david patterson.

1524
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,000
>> hello.

1525
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000
my name is dave patterson.

1526
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,000
I'm on the board of the enclave.

1527
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,000
I appreciate your taking the

1528
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,000
time to answer my questions or

1529
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,000
hear from me.

1530
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,000
it's more than the developer has

1531
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,000
offered us.

1532
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,000
we have had no contact with them

1533
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,000
in order to help with the design

1534
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,000
of this.

1535
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,000
even though we are surrounded by

1536
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,000
it.

1537
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,000
first complaint would be the

1538
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,000
zoning.

1539
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,000
just this evening with the

1540
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,000
presentation he says it's r4.

1541
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,000
it's not really r4.

1542
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,000
we're going to treat it as r3.

1543
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,000
well if it says r4 on the

1544
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000
ordinance and the plan, then

1545
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,000
that means r4 for who ever comes

1546
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,000
behind them.

1547
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,000
also the open space around our

1548
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,000
community is listed as r4.

1549
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,600
that means it can be developed.

1550
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,000
in fact eluding on page 81 there

1551
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,000
is a note that says the ponds

1552
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,000
will be remediated in accordance

1553
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,000
with epa.

1554
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,000
thus clearing the way for more

1555
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,000
development.

1556
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,000
that needs to be indicated as

1557
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,000
open space, zoned as open space,

1558
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,000
so it can't be developed later.

1559
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,200
we also have a note that says

1560
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,000
emergency access.

1561
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,600
now emergency access road has to

1562
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,000
be 25 feet wide and support an

1563
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,000
apparatus of 75,000 pounds

1564
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
according to the state fire

1565
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,000
code.

1566
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,000
okay.

1567
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,000
in order to do that where that

1568
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,000
emergency access road comes

1569
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,000
around on our property on west

1570
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,000
island it would mean the

1571
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,000
destruction of our island, our

1572
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,000
sign, our water meter, our trees

1573
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,000
that we have maintained and paid

1574
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,000
for over the last 30 years in

1575
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,000
order to put in a road for an

1576
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,000
emergency access.

1577
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,000
there are other alternatives.

1578
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,000
I won't go into those now but

1579
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,000
there are other alternatives

1580
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,000
that need to be considered

1581
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,000
before they destroy our

1582
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,000
property.

1583
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,200
on page 13 it states for the lux

1584
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,000
view estates.

1585
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,000
>> I'm asking to you wrap it up.

1586
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,000
>> I'm wrapping up.

1587
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,000
it states envision a new

1588
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,000
residential neighborhood that

1589
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,000
respects the past and embraces

1590
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,000
the future.

1591
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,000
the destruction of our sign and

1592
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,000
entry way is not very respectful

1593
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,000
of our past.

1594
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,000
thank you.

1595
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,000
>> thank you for your comments.

1596
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,000
>> matt d.

1597
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,000
>> everybody hear me.

1598
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,000
commissioner, mr. Chairman, good

1599
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,000
evening.

1600
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,000
after reviewing the master plan

1601
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,000
submitted by mesa I have listed

1602
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,000
a few bullet points that I have

1603
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,000
question that's need to be

1604
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,400
addressed before accepted by

1605
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,400
zoning and city council.

1606
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,000
traffic issues.

1607
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,000
first the additional homes.

1608
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,000
east lake turning lanes on 52

1609
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,000
can't absorb the traffic.

1610
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,000
no way.

1611
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,000
there are two to three areas to

1612
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,000
turn.

1613
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,000
in 2017 the city had a meeting

1614
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,000
with the hoas and the

1615
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,000
community to improve zoning on

1616
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,000
st. Andrews.

1617
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,000
why rezone additional land when

1618
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,400
rio rancho mesa purchased.

1619
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,000
drainage has not been accepted

1620
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,000
by the flood august.

1621
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,000
there is not enough access.

1622
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,000
the new mexico environmental

1623
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,000
division has not given clearance

1624
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,000
on the ponds in the whole area.

1625
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,000
after reviewing the master plan

1626
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,000
rio rancho mesa has produced on

1627
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,000
the cost of caring, maintaining,

1628
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,000
the liability of new

1629
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,000
subdivision.

1630
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,000
400,000 won't be enough money to

1631
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,000
landscape the trails and open

1632
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,000
space.

1633
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,000
after concerning, also

1634
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,000
concerning is rio rancho mesa is

1635
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,000
attempting to do a pid and tax

1636
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,000
the hoas and existing home

1637
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,000
owners in the government

1638
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,000
cowering areas to pay for his

1639
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,000
open space.

1640
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,000
the citizens of rio, the city of

1641
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,000
rio rancho has a responsibility

1642
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,000
to protect citizens, the safety

1643
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,000
of the citizens and subdivisions

1644
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,000
after putting the additional

1645
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,600
stress on our roads and schools.

1646
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,000
they deserve equitable

1647
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,000
servitude.

1648
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,000
I'm against the zoning change.

1649
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,000
I'm against multi family zoning

1650
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,000
on the original golf course

1651
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,000
that's mu.

1652
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,000
I don't want multiple family in

1653
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,000
there.

1654
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,000
we request a full denial on

1655
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,000
rezoning requests for two and a

1656
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,000
half years he has not done what

1657
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,000
he said woe do, has not

1658
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,000
submitted an acceptable plan for

1659
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,000
the government golf course and

1660
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,000
open space.

1661
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,000
why the city accommodate one

1662
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,000
person.

1663
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,000
>> I will ask to you wrap it up.

1664
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,000
>> in my opinion he negatively

1665
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
impacts all home owners

1666
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,000
purchasing property on the golf

1667
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,000
course in good faith.

1668
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,000
the city needs to protect home

1669
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,000
owners not a businessman looking

1670
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,600
to make money and leave town.

1671
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,000
[ applause ]

1672
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,000
>> again I will ask people to

1673
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,000
maintain and also have two

1674
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,000
minutes.

1675
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,000
I ask to limit remarks to two

1676
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,000
minutes so everyone can speak.

1677
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,000
>> anthony a.

1678
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,000
>> good evening commissioners.

1679
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000
I would just like to speak upon

1680
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
the open space.

1681
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,000
funding and the maintenance

1682
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,000
there of.

1683
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,400
$400,000 not to exceed is

1684
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,000
preposterous.

1685
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,000
62 acres.

1686
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,000
that's a little over 6 grand per

1687
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,000
acre.

1688
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,000
can you landscape your front

1689
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,000
yard for six grand.

1690
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,000
think not.

1691
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,000
the other thing is the walking

1692
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,000
paths are very close to other

1693
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,000
homes.

1694
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,000
there should be more of a buffer

1695
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,600
zone and we shouldn't be asked

1696
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,000
to pay for any pid or any hov

1697
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,000
fees to use this.

1698
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,000
in order to use this mr. Chavez

1699
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,000
is stating that you have to be a

1700
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,000
member of the hoa and pay hoa

1701
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,000
fees to use the walking paths.

1702
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,000
that's absolutely absurd.

1703
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,400
absurd to the upmost.

1704
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,000
I don't know about that.

1705
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,000
where are the people that want

1706
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,000
to walk going to park?

1707
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,000
there will be people that live

1708
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000
in the community that need to

1709
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,000
drive to, it's too far for them

1710
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,000
to walk to use the walking

1711
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,000
paths.

1712
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,000
so, there are other ways to take

1713
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,000
care of this.

1714
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,200
further more mr. S. Says it will

1715
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,000
be pressure pines.

1716
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,000
well people don't even pick up

1717
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,000
after their animals.

1718
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,000
trash is all over.

1719
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,000
who is going to maintain this.

1720
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,000
the pines will be destroyed

1721
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,000
immediately.

1722
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,000
I have been in the property

1723
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,000
management business for 50

1724
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,000
years.

1725
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,000
I have been on development teams

1726
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,000
for cabazon, loma colorado, high

1727
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,000
range and numerous others.

1728
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,000
I have sat in one of those

1729
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,000
chairs.

1730
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,000
I don't think it's time to

1731
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,000
recommend this to the governing

1732
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,000
body.

1733
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,000
by which the mayor has written a

1734
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,000
proclamation of approval.

1735
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,200
so I request the p&z postpone

1736
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,000
this for another meeting.

1737
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,000
let all of these people have a

1738
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,400
chance to digest this.

1739
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,000
so, I'm done with that.

1740
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,000
but open space is really

1741
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,000
important.

1742
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,000
the funding and maintenance

1743
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,000
there of is --

1744
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,000
>> I will ask you to wrap it up.

1745
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,000
>> can I drop the mic.

1746
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,000
>> please.

1747
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,000
thank you for your comments.

1748
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,000
>> jack autry.

1749
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,000
>> good evening, ladies and

1750
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,000
gentlemen.

1751
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,000
my name is jack autry.

1752
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,000
I live at 3445calle s.

1753
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,000
over 20 years ago we bought the

1754
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,000
property at a premium.

1755
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,000
it was a golf course in our back

1756
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,000
yard.

1757
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,000
since then we have lost tens of

1758
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,000
thousands of dollars.

1759
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,000
now it's a dust pit.

1760
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,000
okay.

1761
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,000
very important there are dozens

1762
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,000
and dozens of kids that live on

1763
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,000
our street.

1764
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,000
I can't imagine that the traffic

1765
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,000
that will go up and down our

1766
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,000
street, kids even shoot

1767
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,000
basketballs on our street.

1768
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,000
the next thing is someone

1769
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,000
mentioned dust.

1770
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,000
we can't even sit on our back

1771
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,000
porch and enjoy the dirt lot

1772
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,000
because of the dust that covers

1773
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,000
evening that we sit on, we have

1774
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,000
to wipe it off every day.

1775
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,000
if we open our sliding doors our

1776
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,000
house has to be dusted every

1777
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,000
day.

1778
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,000
that's are not what we paid a

1779
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,000
premium for.

1780
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,000
it's just embarrassing.

1781
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,000
I'm a ex developer.

1782
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,400
I understand the gentleman's

1783
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,000
problems.

1784
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,000
we're not getting what we paid

1785
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,000
for.

1786
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,000
I don't know how much we have

1787
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,000
lost since we have lived there

1788
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000
over 20 years.

1789
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,000
think my two minutes is about

1790
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,000
up.

1791
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,000
>> thank you, sir.

1792
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,000
appreciate your comments.

1793
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,000
>> daniel g.

1794
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,000
>> good evening chair and board

1795
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,000
members.

1796
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,000
my name is daniel g.

1797
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,000
I represent the north nine

1798
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,000
neighborhood association.

1799
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,000
210 home owners in an area of

1800
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,600
a -- east view open space.

1801
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,000
represent a large group of

1802
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,000
impacted residents would you

1803
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,000
permit me to speak for five

1804
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,000
minutes.

1805
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,000
>> you have two minutes.

1806
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,000
>> okay.

1807
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,000
thank you.

1808
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,000
I would like to first opt, start

1809
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,000
off I appreciate the time and

1810
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000
effort planning staff has put

1811
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,000
into the process.

1812
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,000
my client is open to the master

1813
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,000
plan and concept.

1814
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,000
however my client opposes the

1815
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
master plan with several key

1816
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,000
concerns with the current draft

1817
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,000
of the master plan.

1818
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
particularly the long term

1819
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,000
preservation and east view

1820
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,000
heights open space.

1821
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,000
my client's primary concern is

1822
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,600
the plan lacks east view heights

1823
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,000
area is actually preserved and

1824
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,000
maintained overtime.

1825
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,000
the applicants proposed

1826
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
400,000-dollar bond has been

1827
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,000
flagged as inadequate in prior

1828
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,000
e-mails and comments.

1829
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,000
my client agrees with that. The

1830
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,000
proposed bond amount covers

1831
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,000
infrastructure and not

1832
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,000
maintenance.

1833
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,000
$400,000 may not be enough to

1834
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,000
cover improvements themselves

1835
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,000
let alone maintenance.

1836
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,000
it doesn't appear the concerns

1837
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,000
have been addressed in the

1838
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,000
proposed version of the master

1839
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,000
plan before you today.

1840
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,000
there is no clear mechanism to

1841
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,000
insure a well funded hoa for

1842
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,000
future maintenance.

1843
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,000
second the proposed ordinance

1844
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,000
requires the developer to

1845
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,400
identify a responsibility entity

1846
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,000
before lot sales.

1847
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,000
that's a private transaction.

1848
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,000
this lack of enforcement kicks

1849
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,000
the can down the road and risks

1850
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,000
leaving the city and

1851
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,000
neighborhoods with neglected

1852
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,000
unfunded open space.

1853
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,000
these concerns are not new.

1854
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,000
similar issues contribute to the

1855
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,000
denial of a prior master plan

1856
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,000
application in 2020.

1857
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,000
at that time the board found the

1858
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,000
explanation of open space as

1859
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,000
inadequate.

1860
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,000
to help address the issues we

1861
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,400
have several targeted segments

1862
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,000
in the written submission you

1863
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,000
should have a copy of.

1864
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,000
thank you.

1865
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,000
>> thank you for your comments.

1866
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,000
>> pamela layer is.

1867
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,400
>> good evening pamela harris,

1868
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,000
692.

1869
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,000
I live in chamisa greens.

1870
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,000
behind my house is a drainage

1871
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,000
ditch.

1872
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,600
the chamisa greens owns that and

1873
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,000
gave it to the city.

1874
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,000
they have a proposal that

1875
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,000
they're going to use that as a

1876
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,000
ingress and egress.

1877
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,000
they don't own all of that.

1878
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,000
they only have a small portion

1879
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,000
of it as a roadway.

1880
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,000
the city owns another part of

1881
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,600
that. Also has scafta done a

1882
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,000
research on the drainage ditch

1883
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,000
that is behind there.

1884
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,000
it was zoned for the properties

1885
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,000
that are already there.

1886
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,000
so I didn't see that on the

1887
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,000
master plan.

1888
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,200
has a traffic study been done, I

1889
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,200
don't know I haven't seen it is

1890
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,000
what about the overload of the

1891
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,000
streets and the schools.

1892
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,000
there is no plan for any schools

1893
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,000
or anything coming through here.

1894
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,000
I really think we need to not

1895
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,000
okay this plan.

1896
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,000
in my opinion.

1897
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,000
thank you.

1898
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,000
>> thank you for your comments.

1899
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,000
>> oh, by the way the sign that

1900
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,000
the people put up on the, to

1901
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,000
notify us on street was behind

1902
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,400
trees, on a fence.

1903
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,000
>> howard ballmer.

1904
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,000
>> I don't think he wants to

1905
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,000
speak.

1906
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,600
that could be a first, howard.

1907
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,000
>> michael c.

1908
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
>> michael p.

1909
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,000
I live on st. Andrews drive.

1910
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,000
the former -- golf course.

1911
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,000
I'm here to express my

1912
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,400
opposition to the proposed

1913
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,000
zoning change to the chamisa

1914
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,000
hills golf course.

1915
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,000
this is zoned for a golf course

1916
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,000
or park.

1917
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,000
the property has not been

1918
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,000
maintained.

1919
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,600
I have two complaints to code

1920
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,000
enforcement about the height of

1921
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,000
weeds being non compliance and

1922
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,000
no action taken by the city or

1923
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,000
owner of the former golf course.

1924
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,600
due to the negligence of these

1925
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,000
two parts there are tens of

1926
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,000
thousands of tumbleweeds

1927
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,400
creating havoc to adjacent

1928
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
properties.

1929
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,000
this could of been easily

1930
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,000
avoided with maintenance of the

1931
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,000
land.

1932
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,000
recent wind storms I have

1933
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,000
numerous tumbling weeds and

1934
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,000
woodie weeds in my back yard I

1935
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,000
have to dispose of.

1936
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,600
rather than managing the land as

1937
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,000
a golf course or park the city

1938
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,000
of rio rancho has let the land

1939
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,000
become a baron waste land.

1940
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,000
from my understanding the flood

1941
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,000
authority has not evaluated the

1942
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,000
proposed zoning change.

1943
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,400
this meeting is entirely

1944
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,000
premature.

1945
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,600
the only reason this is being

1946
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,000
considered is greed.

1947
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,000
-- cramming in houses adjacent

1948
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,000
to our r1 lots.

1949
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,000
the city of rio rancho will

1950
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,000
profit by assessing impact fees

1951
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,000
to these lots.

1952
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,000
the open space designation has

1953
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,000
not been shown any plans for

1954
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,000
improvements.

1955
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,000
home owners can only assume it

1956
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,600
will be weed infested with no

1957
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,000
maintenance or repercussions

1958
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,000
from code enforcement.

1959
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,000
in summary there should be no

1960
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,000
zone change permitted

1961
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,000
especially -- cfa.

1962
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,000
adjacent property owners have

1963
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,400
seen their property valuation

1964
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,000
decline due to the closure of

1965
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,000
the golf course.

1966
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,000
do not allow further devaluation

1967
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,000
permitting r3, r4, mua, c1

1968
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,000
lots --

1969
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,000
>> I will ask to you wrap it up.

1970
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,000
>> -- current property.

1971
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,000
>> thank you, sir.

1972
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,000
>> mike lindel.

1973
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,400
>> evening, mike lindel, agusta

1974
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,000
drive.

1975
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,000
I have several issues.

1976
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,000
I'm narrowing it down.

1977
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,000
traffic, there will be highways.

1978
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,000
right now my five-year-old son

1979
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,000
and I use the park at the bottom

1980
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,000
of calle s.

1981
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,000
kids play baseball and soccer.

1982
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,000
there will be too much traffic

1983
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,000
to consider with all of the

1984
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,000
brand new homes.

1985
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,000
most importantly the schools,

1986
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,000
the capacity, I had a niece and

1987
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,000
nephew just graduate from rio

1988
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,000
rancho high school they're 30-1

1989
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,000
in general studies right now.

1990
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,400
the teachers are overwhelmed.

1991
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,000
it will only make things worst

1992
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,000
with the new homes going in.

1993
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,000
lastly I will make this brief.

1994
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,000
I want to get through it all but

1995
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,000
the visibility in our yards.

1996
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,000
I have a two foot high wall.

1997
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,000
no privacy, no security.

1998
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,000
who knows, these are pretty

1999
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,000
plans.

2000
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,000
who knows when these turn into

2001
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,000
low income housing.

2002
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,000
security and crime rates become

2003
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,000
a issue.

2004
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,000
like I said I have a five year

2005
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,000
old son to worry about. I think

2006
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,000
the yeas and nays here are

2007
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,000
telling how we all feel.

2008
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,000
alright.

2009
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,000
thank you.

2010
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2011
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,000
>> cat farwa.

2012
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,000
>> good evening.

2013
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,000
my name is cat I live at 3601

2014
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,000
st. Andrews.

2015
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,000
I completely oppose to this

2016
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,000
master plan.

2017
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,000
I was not notified about the

2018
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,000
meeting until a friend told me.

2019
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,000
I wanted to thank the person who

2020
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,000
actually sent me a letter to my

2021
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,000
residence.

2022
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,000
I don't know who it is.

2023
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,000
agree with everything they say.

2024
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,000
this plan is a disaster in the

2025
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,000
making.

2026
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,000
the increased traffic,

2027
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,000
congestion, noise alone will be

2028
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000
disruptive to our quality of

2029
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,000
life.

2030
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,000
adjacent property taxes will

2031
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,000
drop.

2032
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,000
initially when the community was

2033
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,000
built in the early 70s it was

2034
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,000
around a golf course.

2035
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,000
providing much open space.

2036
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,000
today it's not practical to

2037
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,000
continue with a golf course.

2038
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,000
it shouldn't be replaced with

2039
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,000
higher dense commercial

2040
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,000
activity.

2041
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,000
instead the open space zoning

2042
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,000
should be maintained.

2043
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,000
there are alternate uses for the

2044
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,000
property.

2045
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,000
tennis courts, driving range.

2046
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,000
lots of options.

2047
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,000
what is proposed in the master

2048
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,000
plan is to bring millions of

2049
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,000
dollars to profit steve chavez

2050
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,000
at the detriment to our

2051
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,000
community.

2052
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,000
I want to thank the person that

2053
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,000
sent this letter.

2054
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,000
that's why I'm here today.

2055
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,000
I bought that property thinking

2056
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,000
we didn't have an hoa.

2057
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,000
I don't want an hoa there.

2058
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,000
are a lot of changes that will

2059
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,000
happen.

2060
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,000
I couldn't sit still and not say

2061
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,000
anything.

2062
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,000
I oppose this plan.

2063
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,000
I want you to think about it.

2064
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,000
traffic, sewage, water,

2065
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,000
electricity, all of the

2066
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,000
emergency items that everyone

2067
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,000
else has been speak ing about

2068
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,000
that will be congested.

2069
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,000
it will also take time to get in

2070
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,000
those places.

2071
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,000
also I feel for my neighbors.

2072
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,000
the ones not here tonight

2073
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,000
because they didn't get a

2074
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,000
letter.

2075
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:21,000
I didn't get a certified letter.

2076
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,000
I would like a list of the

2077
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:24,000
letters that went out certified

2078
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,000
or even first class mail.

2079
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,000
thank you.

2080
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2081
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,000
>> mark s.

2082
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,000
>> thank you for the time to

2083
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,000
speak.

2084
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,000
my name is mark s.

2085
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:11,000
I live on calle -- and my

2086
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,000
property backs onto the golf

2087
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,000
course.

2088
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,000
I did get a letter from the city

2089
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,000
of course it was addressed to

2090
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,000
the previous owners.

2091
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,000
I have lived there for seven

2092
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,000
years.

2093
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,000
I have no problem getting my

2094
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,000
alarm bill from the city or

2095
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,000
water bill from the city.

2096
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,000
I don't understand why they

2097
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,000
can't get my name right on the

2098
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,000
notification.

2099
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,000
one thing that concerns me about

2100
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,000
this project.

2101
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,000
the history is each time we come

2102
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,000
down here, there is a new

2103
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,000
proposal to increase the amount

2104
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,400
of land being built.

2105
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,000
what started out simple under

2106
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,000
the original plan that I think a

2107
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,000
lot of people agreed with has

2108
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,000
now been over blown.

2109
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,400
we have commercial zones.

2110
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,000
it's just gotten crazy.

2111
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,000
I also don't agree with the pid.

2112
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,000
I'm not going to be taxed to

2113
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,000
subsidize a developer who is

2114
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,000
going to ultimately lower my

2115
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,000
property values.

2116
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,000
traffic issues.

2117
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,000
there is no concrete traffic

2118
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,000
plan at this point.

2119
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,000
I'm certain with what I'm

2120
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,000
looking at that this will become

2121
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,000
a freeway.

2122
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,000
that is not acceptable to me or

2123
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,000
I'm sure the neighborhood.

2124
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,400
the commercial developments seem

2125
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,000
odd to put in medical offices

2126
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,000
and a pharmacy.

2127
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,000
we have presbyterian and wall

2128
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,000
greens and cvs in walking

2129
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,000
distance.

2130
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,000
the plan lacks details.

2131
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,000
no concrete plans for open space

2132
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,000
management or ownership.

2133
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,000
it's empty promises.

2134
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,000
you can't approve plans with the

2135
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,000
vague details.

2136
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,000
too many details are being

2137
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:06,000
deferred to the individual

2138
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,000
projects or developer.

2139
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,000
right now the developer has

2140
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,000
never talked to me.

2141
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,600
I will wrap it up here.

2142
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,000
it just seems that there is no

2143
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,400
concerns for the existing

2144
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:22,000
neighborhood.

2145
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,000
there is only focus on the grand

2146
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,000
plan.

2147
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2148
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,000
>> sandra moore.

2149
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,000
>> my name is sapped era moore.

2150
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,000
I live in district four.

2151
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,000
I would like to know what the

2152
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,000
videos and cameras are used for

2153
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,400
before we go ahead.

2154
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,000
okay.

2155
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,000
which media?

2156
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:10,000
the name.

2157
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,000
okay.

2158
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,000
thank you for that.

2159
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,000
so I'm in district four.

2160
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,000
I'm here to oppose the plan as

2161
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
the previous gentleman said

2162
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,000
there is not a lot of detail,

2163
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,000
it's vague.

2164
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,000
I don't feel we should push this

2165
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,000
forward.

2166
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,000
for my perspective this is to be

2167
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,000
a walkable community.

2168
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,000
the traffic has increased since

2169
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,000
I have been here three years.

2170
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,600
I have almost been hit three

2171
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,000
times walking on east lake.

2172
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,000
increased traffic for people

2173
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:40,000
going to work.

2174
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,000
there is no plan on road

2175
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,000
maintenance.

2176
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,000
I haven't seen who will pay for

2177
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,000
that. I don't want to pay for

2178
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,000
that. My property taxes have

2179
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,000
already increased.

2180
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,000
the roads for st. Andrews have

2181
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,000
been paveed.

2182
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,000
torrey pines and -- has not.

2183
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,000
this doesn't give me faith on

2184
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,000
who is paying for the road

2185
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,000
maintenance.

2186
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,000
I will yield my time to someone

2187
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:06,000
else.

2188
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,000
thank you.

2189
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,000
>> john spire.

2190
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,000
>> hello my name is john spire.

2191
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,000
my wife and I live in district

2192
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,000
four, torrey pines.

2193
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,000
like a number of speakers we

2194
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:36,000
have some serious concerns about

2195
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,000
this plan.

2196
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,600
especially the nueva e. Hoa of

2197
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,000
this plan.

2198
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,000
84 town houses.

2199
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,000
adding to traffic of over 200

2200
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,000
new working age residents to our

2201
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,000
quiet east lake drive will

2202
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,000
clearly impose a severe hardship

2203
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,000
to our neighborhood.

2204
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,000
even bigger problem is that the

2205
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,000
southern exposure or access to

2206
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,000
st. Andrews is denied.

2207
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,000
the plan calls for making the

2208
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,000
emergency access through the old

2209
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,000
east golf course extend all the

2210
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,000
way from the old club house to

2211
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,000
east lake.

2212
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,000
that will be a disaster.

2213
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,600
there is no sidewalks in the

2214
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,000
heights.

2215
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,000
we walk our dogs and the

2216
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,000
children play in our streets.

2217
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,000
if you're not familiar, I

2218
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,000
presume you r the east end of

2219
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,000
east lake drive is just a short

2220
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,000
road that has room for about 12

2221
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,000
cars to wait at the red light

2222
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,000
before traffic starts to back

2223
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:54,000
up, around the corners and

2224
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,000
through the stop signs.

2225
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,000
this already happens.

2226
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,000
the way things are now.

2227
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,000
there is no way to make that

2228
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,000
road bigger.

2229
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,600
so we already have a hazardous

2230
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,400
situation at the corner,

2231
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,000
especially for pedestrians and

2232
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,000
cyclists.

2233
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,000
please don't make the situation

2234
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,000
worst than it already is.

2235
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,000
thank you, very much.

2236
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2237
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,000
>> holly hartwig.

2238
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,000
>> my name is holly hartwig I

2239
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,000
live in district four.

2240
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,000
I would just like to say a few

2241
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,000
things.

2242
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,000
it would be really nice if we

2243
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,000
were notified by mail, I have

2244
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,000
lots of friends and older

2245
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,000
neighbors without computers and

2246
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,000
don't walk the golf course.

2247
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,400
none have been informed.

2248
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,000
even people in the islands.

2249
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,000
it would be nice to be informed

2250
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,000
by mail so people that can't

2251
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,000
walk and go to the places can

2252
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000
see that.

2253
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,000
how we were informed was a

2254
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,000
yellow sign by my husband seeing

2255
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,000
the yellow sign on the edge of

2256
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,000
the golf course or we wouldn't

2257
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,000
know that and our neighbors

2258
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,000
didn't know about it.

2259
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,000
the other thing it's difficult

2260
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,000
to find the master plan on our

2261
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,000
gov website.

2262
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,000
that would be nice if that was

2263
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,000
easier to find it I hope you can

2264
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,000
make changes.

2265
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,000
I had to call and ask.

2266
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:49,000
I called the library on how to

2267
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,000
find it that was another

2268
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,000
concern.

2269
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,000
my other concern as many people

2270
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,000
here have said about the safety

2271
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,000
of the walkers and the children

2272
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,000
who play in the street in our

2273
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,000
neighborhood.

2274
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,000
with more traffic coming to east

2275
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,000
lake drive a few years ago a

2276
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,000
woman was killed on that corner.

2277
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,000
I don't want to see children

2278
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,000
killed because of more traffic.

2279
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:13,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2280
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,000
>> I will lay the microphone

2281
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,000
here so it's easier for people

2282
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,000
and quicker.

2283
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,000
>> thank you.

2284
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,000
>> paul c.

2285
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,000
>> mr. Chairman, commissioners

2286
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,000
my name is paul c.

2287
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,000
I'm kind of new to rio rancho.

2288
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,000
I have only lived here since

2289
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,000
1972.

2290
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,000
the bottom line is I live in

2291
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,000
district 5.

2292
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,000
I own property at the greens

2293
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,400
condominium on country club.

2294
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,000
besides that I'm the vice

2295
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,000
president of the property

2296
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,000
management company that manages

2297
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,000
the greens.

2298
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,000
we take care of the association.

2299
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:03,000
we take care of the grounds

2300
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,000
keeping and maintenance.

2301
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,000
bottom line is we have faced

2302
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,000
this problem since the golf

2303
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,000
course closed.

2304
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,000
you talk about responsibility

2305
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,000
from a developer not only this

2306
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,000
developer but the one prior to

2307
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:18,000
him.

2308
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,000
we have approximately an eighth

2309
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,000
and a quarter of our mile up

2310
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,000
against the west nine.

2311
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,400
we have had $70,000 of

2312
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,000
landscaping damage done in the

2313
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,000
past two years.

2314
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,000
$70,000.

2315
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:38,000
we weren't notified.

2316
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,000
I understand a quarter of a mile

2317
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:41,000
isn't a big stretch.

2318
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,000
there isn't a sign out there

2319
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,000
about this meeting.

2320
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,000
there is no notification.

2321
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,000
there are 204 condominiums.

2322
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,000
you did not even give us the

2323
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,000
courtesy of listing us on our

2324
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,000
list of associations you put up

2325
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,000
there.

2326
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,000
we are 204 condos.

2327
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,000
that's probably I don't know

2328
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,000
four or five hundred voters.

2329
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,000
bottom line is we are your

2330
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,000
citizens and you answer to us.

2331
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,000
why don't you start asking us

2332
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,000
what the city can do for us

2333
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,000
instead what had the city can do

2334
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,000
to us.

2335
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,000
this is a bad idea.

2336
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,000
gentlemen, we're pretty

2337
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:22,000
hospitable people in rio rancho.

2338
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,000
you know what, you're not

2339
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,000
welcome.

2340
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,000
we don't want.

2341
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,000
this we want something done

2342
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,000
where we're protected.

2343
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,000
our property is protected.

2344
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:33,000
where our invest ment in the

2345
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,000
community is protected.

2346
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,000
a lot of us have a lot of money

2347
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,000
invested in our homes and

2348
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,000
properties.

2349
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,000
it's up to you guys to protect

2350
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,000
us.

2351
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:43,000
thank you.

2352
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2353
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,000
>> is ruby c.

2354
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,000
>> should of let her go first

2355
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,000
she is nicer than me.

2356
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,000
>> I'm ruby c.

2357
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,000
I live in district five.

2358
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:04,000
own numerous properties in

2359
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,000
district four.

2360
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,000
I have been the property manager

2361
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,600
of country club villas, if you

2362
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,000
want to take a note of, that

2363
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,000
it's been in existence since

2364
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,000
1983.

2365
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:17,000
I have been there the whole

2366
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,000
time.

2367
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,000
we're not new.

2368
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,000
a few things.

2369
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:28,000
no one that I am aware of on the

2370
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,000
property known as the greens

2371
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,000
legally known as country club

2372
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,000
villas has been notified of this

2373
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,000
meeting.

2374
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,000
I own several properties there.

2375
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,000
tax bills, I got them.

2376
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,000
not one notice.

2377
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,000
I hr-ts run an office there on

2378
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,000
the property.

2379
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,000
not one letter.

2380
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,000
so it's not just a couple that

2381
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,000
slipped through the cracks.

2382
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,000
see, I can understand, I have

2383
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,000
been in real estate more years

2384
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,000
than some of you have been

2385
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:06,000
alive.

2386
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,000
I understand the problems of

2387
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,000
trying to develop something that

2388
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,000
was basically land locked

2389
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:18,200
because it was meant to be a

2390
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,000
golf course from the envisioning

2391
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,000
people that created rio rancho.

2392
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:25,000
however, you need to find

2393
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,000
someone or if you have a

2394
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,000
developer who here that wants to

2395
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,000
develop they can't do this type

2396
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,000
of density.

2397
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,000
I did a couple of years ago when

2398
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,000
this was brought up by scars

2399
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,600
guard I sent over a market

2400
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,400
analysis between unit 16 and

2401
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:54,600
chamisa hills or chamisa -- one

2402
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,000
of the developments that is very

2403
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,000
nice here.

2404
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:02,200
if you offer more land and you

2405
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,000
don't make it so dense you can

2406
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,000
get more for your dollar.

2407
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,000
the city can not afford the

2408
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,000
water, the roads, public safety,

2409
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,000
or the schools.

2410
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,600
number one, you know I have

2411
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,000
lived my whole life in rio

2412
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,000
rancho or new mexico in the

2413
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,000
albuquerque area.

2414
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,000
open space grows a heck of a lot

2415
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,000
of weeds.

2416
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,000
you guys don't take care of

2417
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,000
cement.

2418
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,000
I don't think you will take care

2419
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,000
of the weeds.

2420
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,000
>> I will ask you to wrap up.

2421
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,000
>> I have had people call our

2422
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,000
maintenance crews, fire hazards

2423
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,000
from the weeds that have been

2424
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,000
blown into entrances.

2425
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,000
we had to --

2426
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,000
>> your time is up.

2427
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,000
>> -- we had to remove them with

2428
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:04,000
pitch forks to get people out of

2429
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,000
their homes.

2430
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,000
the city can not afford.

2431
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,000
this.

2432
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:10,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2433
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,000
>> debora west.

2434
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,000
>> state your name for the

2435
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,000
record, please.

2436
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,000
>> debora west.

2437
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,400
panorama heights east of

2438
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,000
st. Andrews area.

2439
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,000
I want to recognize this has

2440
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,000
been long and complicated and

2441
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,400
pretentious for this land.

2442
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,000
it doesn't appear this area was

2443
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,000
engaged as the other hoas and

2444
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:57,000
many hoas were not engaged in

2445
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,000
these ways.

2446
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,000
we were not on the list despite

2447
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,400
70% of our boarders were

2448
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,000
effected.

2449
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,000
internally we will be affected

2450
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,000
as well with major traffic

2451
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,000
proposed to our streets.

2452
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,000
-- this is already overburdened.

2453
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,000
it's an exit for a neighborhood.

2454
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,400
it serves at 528 adjacent

2455
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,000
businesses like natural grocers

2456
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,000
years and concerns of traffic on

2457
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,000
east lake have been raised prior

2458
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,000
to the plan and this would

2459
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,000
worsen the problem.

2460
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,000
we were built out sidewalks.

2461
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,000
we have adapted and embraced

2462
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,000
that.

2463
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,000
but it seize regular pedestrian

2464
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,000
use especially east lake with a

2465
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:55,000
school bus.

2466
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,000
seniors and others walking to

2467
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:00,000
target and the hospital, natural

2468
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,400
gross years, starbucks, it's

2469
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,000
used as pedestrians.

2470
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,000
it's the only option.

2471
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:08,000
no sidewalks.

2472
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,000
increased vehicle traffic is not

2473
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,000
justin convenience it's

2474
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:12,000
dangerous.

2475
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,000
I think that the plan needs more

2476
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,000
development.

2477
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,000
think it needs more

2478
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:17,000
consideration before any sort of

2479
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,000
approval takes place for the

2480
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:20,000
plan or zoning changes.

2481
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,000
under no circumstances should

2482
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,000
existing neighborhoods absorb

2483
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,000
internal changes and internal

2484
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,000
effects that should be off the

2485
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,000
table.

2486
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2487
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,000
>> -- ramirez.

2488
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,000
>> -- ramirez.

2489
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,000
503 st. Andrews.

2490
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,400
I lived in albuquerque.

2491
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,000
it got worst and worst.

2492
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:09,000
looking for somewhere better to

2493
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:10,000
live.

2494
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,000
my wife and my mother-in-law

2495
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,000
went home to be with the lord.

2496
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:15,000
we still have the house.

2497
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:16,000
we love it.

2498
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,000
I like it because it's quiet and

2499
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,000
peaceful.

2500
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,400
family orientated, everyone is

2501
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,000
polite.

2502
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,000
it's the best place I have ever

2503
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:26,000
lived.

2504
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,000
I feel that, well, they're going

2505
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:32,800
to do this I told my wife, we're

2506
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:34,000
moving.

2507
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,000
y'all can have it.

2508
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2509
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,000
>> ophelia shaw.

2510
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,000
>> hi.

2511
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,000
my name is ophelia shaw.

2512
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,600
I am against putting housing or

2513
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,000
commercial space around the golf

2514
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,000
course.

2515
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,000
I live here 20 years.

2516
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,000
okay.

2517
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:27,200
my concern is if you allow this

2518
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,000
to happen we may have traffic

2519
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,400
issues, crime issues, home

2520
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,000
invasion issues.

2521
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,000
are you going to protect us, the

2522
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,000
people who live here in rio

2523
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,000
rancho for awful these years.

2524
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,000
you are going to put apartments,

2525
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:50,000
low income housing because the

2526
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,000
owner wants to make money.

2527
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:57,200
he doesn't give a -- our safety.

2528
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,000
okay.

2529
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,000
I want the city people to put

2530
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,400
serious consideration on this

2531
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,000
issue.

2532
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:10,000
this is my second time for the

2533
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,000
meeting.

2534
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,000
I show my support, and I show my

2535
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,000
face.

2536
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,000
I don't do the talking on the

2537
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,000
computer.

2538
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,000
okay.

2539
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,000
I really, really wish city would

2540
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,000
put consideration on the safety

2541
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,000
of the people who live here.

2542
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:32,000
thank you.

2543
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:35,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2544
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,000
>> sue p.

2545
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:42,200
>> I can't see -- I'm sue p.

2546
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,000
I want to quote the plan.

2547
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,000
it's for the safety and general

2548
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,000
welfare of the city providing

2549
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,000
housing and landscape

2550
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:27,000
improvements to meet community

2551
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:28,000
needs.

2552
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,000
well I'm at the esplanade.

2553
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:36,200
I have heard from people at the

2554
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,000
golf course.

2555
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,000
this is a community.

2556
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,000
we have country club drive and

2557
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,000
st. Andrews drive.

2558
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:46,200
there is a major issue for us

2559
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,400
with traffic and congestion.

2560
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,000
a couple of years ago the city

2561
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,000
was asked for about six acres of

2562
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,000
mixed use.

2563
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,000
I thought that was generous.

2564
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,000
this is for 18 acres at the top

2565
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,000
of the hill and 6 acres at the

2566
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:03,000
bottom of the hill.

2567
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,400
it's an obtrusive ask.

2568
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:18,000
-- I don't know how we can do

2569
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,000
it.

2570
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21,000
I don't agree with this plan the

2571
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:22,000
way it's written.

2572
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,000
I think it's poorly written.

2573
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:25,000
they leave out a lot.

2574
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,000
they talk about on page 62 multi

2575
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,400
story buildings are encouraged

2576
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,000
up to three stories.

2577
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,000
now that was never approved by

2578
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,000
anyone I know of especially the

2579
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,000
single family homes they were

2580
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:40,000
suppose to design to not be more

2581
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,000
than a story.

2582
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:42,000
that's because we didn't want to

2583
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,000
obstruct peoples views.

2584
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,000
that's the major advantage of

2585
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:49,000
this place.

2586
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,000
the master plan also does,

2587
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,000
doesn't really specifically tell

2588
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:57,000
you about the multi, or the town

2589
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:59,000
houses, multi family.

2590
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,000
how many multi family homes will

2591
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:04,000
there be.

2592
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,000
different from the houses?

2593
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,000
senior housing.

2594
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:08,000
single story.

2595
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:09,000
single or multi story.

2596
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,000
all of these are left for us to

2597
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,000
guess.

2598
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:15,000
on page 15 they don't tell you

2599
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,000
the access roads.

2600
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,000
being off of country club drive,

2601
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,000
sorry that was a major issue.

2602
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,000
I think this is poorly written.

2603
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,000
thank you for your time tonight.

2604
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2605
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,000
>> david shaw.

2606
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,000
[laughing]

2607
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,000
>> lisa medina.

2608
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,000
>> good evening my name is leis

2609
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,000
other medina.

2610
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,600
I live at 3708 spy glass loop.

2611
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,000
my house, my husband and I live

2612
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,000
in a house that is not budding

2613
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,000
up to the golf course.

2614
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,000
just looking at this information

2615
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:20,400
we can see -- I was not going to

2616
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,000
speak tonight but someone left

2617
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,000
information on our doorstep.

2618
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,000
like other people I wasn't too

2619
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:34,000
aware of the master plan that

2620
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,000
was going on but from my

2621
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,000
perspective I'm glad I got a

2622
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,000
chance to say something because

2623
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:44,000
it looks like a lot of it is

2624
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,000
based on someone from the

2625
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,000
outside looking in.

2626
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,000
not all of these people here

2627
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,000
from inside looking out.

2628
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,000
because we take pride in our

2629
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,000
neighborhood, where we live,

2630
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,000
like some of them said we have

2631
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,000
spent a lot of money on our

2632
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:00,000
homes.

2633
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,000
we live there because of what it

2634
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:02,000
is.

2635
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:03,000
by looking at this development

2636
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:06,000
coming in it's definitely going

2637
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,000
to change the dynamic and what

2638
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,000
we love about our neighborhoods.

2639
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,000
just living off of double

2640
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:14,000
diamond.

2641
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:16,000
that road if you go down it

2642
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,000
right now full of pot holes.

2643
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,000
pot holes that have been filled

2644
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,000
and filled and filled.

2645
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,000
I have lived there a few years

2646
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,000
not 20 or 30 years, three years.

2647
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,000
it's never been, it's never

2648
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,000
looking good.

2649
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,000
it's pot holes after filling pot

2650
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,000
holes.

2651
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,000
all of the traffic that will

2652
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,000
come in I just don't understand

2653
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,000
where the money will come from

2654
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,000
to accommodate all of the

2655
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:39,000
traffic and all of the new homes

2656
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,000
and the retail.

2657
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:42,000
I just don't understand where

2658
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:43,000
it's coming from.

2659
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:46,000
then they said they want to

2660
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:50,000
implement a pid or hoa will pay

2661
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,000
for it.

2662
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,000
when are we going to be notified

2663
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,000
how that affects us and impacts

2664
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:58,000
us.

2665
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,000
I just think, my opinion is

2666
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:01,000
maybe look at this in a

2667
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:02,000
different angle.

2668
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,000
you know push it out a little

2669
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,000
bit more.

2670
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,000
have another meeting.

2671
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:11,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2672
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,000
>> is florence cunningham.

2673
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,000
>> hi I'm florence cunningham.

2674
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,000
I'm a resident of the heights.

2675
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,000
my parents and I live on

2676
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:37,000
st. Andrews.

2677
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,000
they are, our house sits on the

2678
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,000
golf course.

2679
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,000
I'm the current art commissioner

2680
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,000
of district four.

2681
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:47,000
I earned my position reading the

2682
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,000
rio rancho observer.

2683
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:53,000
I want to announce the

2684
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:55,000
disrespect posting the

2685
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,000
albuquerque journal when we have

2686
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:59,000
our own payer.

2687
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:02,000
in 2020 there was a unanimous

2688
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:04,000
vote not to change the golf

2689
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,000
course.

2690
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:07,000
based on the current city census

2691
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,000
there are 114811 residents.

2692
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,000
since we're talking about the

2693
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,000
pid I would like to acknowledge

2694
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,000
that is a one time income for

2695
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,000
the city.

2696
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,000
the whole city would be affected

2697
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,000
on 528.

2698
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,000
income adjusted by the proposed

2699
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,000
plan a good propositions would

2700
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:33,600
be that the city residents buy

2701
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:38,000
400,000-dollar bond to come out

2702
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,000
to $3.48.

2703
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,000
>> thank you for your comments.

2704
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,000
>> lastly we have barbara

2705
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,000
cheney.

2706
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:16,000
>> right up to the podium, right

2707
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,000
there.

2708
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,000
>> I'm not familiar.

2709
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,000
hi I'm barbara cheney.

2710
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:25,400
my residents is 3592calles.

2711
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:30,000
I have been sitting in the other

2712
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,000
room.

2713
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:33,000
I look at these two empty chairs

2714
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:34,000
here.

2715
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:35,000
I notice one of the empty chairs

2716
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,000
is robert galbeldon.

2717
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,000
oh, yes in the heart where the

2718
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,000
golf course is located.

2719
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:47,000
I wonder where is he?

2720
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,000
is he too busy?

2721
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,000
he's not concerned or he doesn't

2722
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,000
want his vote to be recorded?

2723
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,000
that's my secret feeling.

2724
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:57,000
he doesn't want to be here to

2725
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:59,000
have it recorded.

2726
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,000
my question is about the master

2727
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:03,000
hoa.

2728
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,000
so we talk about this kind of,

2729
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,000
what is it called like a

2730
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,000
dream -- ambiguous master plan.

2731
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,000
what is the master hoa?

2732
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:17,000
will it incorporate all of the

2733
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:20,000
hoas in the new development.

2734
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:22,000
are they going to bring in the

2735
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,000
hoas a budding the golf

2736
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,000
course?

2737
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:28,000
I wonder when the master hoa is

2738
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,000
created it will be owned by

2739
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,000
primarily by the developer or

2740
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,400
the developers that purchase

2741
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,000
from the developer until all of

2742
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:37,000
the lots are sold.

2743
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:40,000
does this hoa, this master hoa

2744
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,000
vote in a pid request?

2745
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,000
do they vote per lot?

2746
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,000
if that's true then all of the

2747
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:50,000
other lots including the poor

2748
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,000
souls buying in the new area

2749
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,000
they will be out voted every

2750
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,000
time by the master hoa.

2751
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:58,000
we have seen that happen.

2752
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:01,000
and I want to say too although

2753
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,000
you stated this is nearly an

2754
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,000
advisory commission we see it as

2755
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,000
a good time for a huge number of

2756
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:10,000
affected current tax payers and

2757
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,000
residents to ask for your help.

2758
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:16,000
there are clearly many critical

2759
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,000
problems with this proposal .

2760
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,000
to kick this to the advocating

2761
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:23,600
bod a, why does this commission

2762
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,000
exist if not to clarify the

2763
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,400
impact of this massive

2764
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:31,000
development?

2765
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,000
that's why you're here.

2766
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,000
I look at los ranchos.

2767
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,000
I think one of the commissioners

2768
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:41,000
here is familiar are loss ran

2769
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:42,000
choice.

2770
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,000
they fast tracked a big

2771
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:45,000
development.

2772
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,000
as that thing tarted to come up

2773
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,000
and the residents started to see

2774
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,000
what they got into --

2775
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:53,000
>> I will ask you to wrap it up.

2776
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,000
>> -- I will.

2777
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,000
they threw out the mayor.

2778
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,000
the p&z people, got rid of the

2779
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,000
board of trustees.

2780
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:02,000
they were upset.

2781
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,000
they didn't feel they had an

2782
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,000
idea what was coming down the

2783
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:06,000
road.

2784
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:07,000
I am saying we should pay

2785
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:09,000
attention to that. I think you

2786
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:11,000
should look at this carefully.

2787
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:12,000
>> wrap it up, please.

2788
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,000
>> I am.

2789
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:15,000
look at this carefully.

2790
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,000
please, please table it,

2791
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,000
reconsider this.

2792
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,000
[ applause ]

2793
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,000
>> that's all that signed up in

2794
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,000
the audience.

2795
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,000
I believe we have some that are

2796
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:38,000
on-line.

2797
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,000
>> no mr. Chair, we do not have

2798
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,000
anyone on-line that signed up to

2799
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:43,000
speak.

2800
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,000
>> okay.

2801
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,000
>> so at this time public

2802
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,000
comments is closed.

2803
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,000
we will go to discussion of the

2804
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:58,000
board.

2805
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:59,000
prior to going to discussion I

2806
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,000
think I would like to take about

2807
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:04,000
a eight minute break and come

2808
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,000
back at 8:00 o'clock.

2809
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:09,000
so this time we will recess

2810
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:10,000
until 8:00 o'clock.

2811
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,000
thank you.

2812
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,000
[in recess]

2813
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:18,000
>> thank you.

2814
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:21,000
thank you for the feedback.

2815
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:22,000
okay.

2816
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:25,000
soy did hear kind of in

2817
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:28,000
to clarify nothing has been

2818
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:37,000
approved at this point.

2819
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:39,000
regardless how we vote on the

2820
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:42,000
master plan approval tonight it

2821
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:44,000
goes to the governoring body.

2822
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:46,000
the governor body your elected

2823
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:47,000
officials will make the final

2824
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:48,000
decision.

2825
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:49,000
I thought that would be

2826
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:50,000
important to clarify.

2827
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:51,000
>> thank you.

2828
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:54,600
>> you know I think someone said

2829
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:58,000
maybe at best, we fully

2830
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:00,000
understand this is impacting a

2831
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:02,000
lot of individuals.

2832
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:03,000
there has been a lot of

2833
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:04,000
discussion.

2834
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,000
a lot of ideas over the years.

2835
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:09,000
I think as we have heard and the

2836
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:12,000
community has heard I highly

2837
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,000
doubt there will be a single

2838
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:16,000
solution that will make everyone

2839
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:18,000
happy at the end of the day.

2840
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,000
you know we have seen, in

2841
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:21,000
addition to the comments we

2842
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:23,000
heard this evening.

2843
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:25,000
we have had a packet of comments

2844
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:26,000
we read through before getting

2845
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:27,000
here tonight.

2846
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:29,000
you know there is a lot of we're

2847
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:31,000
tired of seeing the dirt.

2848
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:33,000
we're tired of the undesirable

2849
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:35,000
landscape and views.

2850
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:38,000
yes we wanted a golf course.

2851
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:40,000
now we have dirt and weeds.

2852
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:42,000
please do something with that.

2853
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:44,000
there is undesirable activity in

2854
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:47,000
these a dan donned, unpopulated

2855
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:48,000
areas.

2856
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,000
so we hear a side too that says

2857
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:52,000
please do something with this.

2858
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,000
then obviously hearing the site

2859
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:56,000
of, but not that.

2860
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:58,000
you know so just want to

2861
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:00,000
recognize you know that we hear,

2862
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,000
we hear everyone.

2863
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:05,000
this is a challenge, obviously.

2864
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:07,000
I again highly doubt there is

2865
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,400
singular solution for everyone

2866
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:11,000
to agree.

2867
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:14,000
if we said it's a golf course

2868
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,000
should not would be unhappy with

2869
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,000
the golf course.

2870
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:20,000
maybe not from this group.

2871
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:24,200
something I saw and heard and I

2872
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,000
have a question about.

2873
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:33,000
we heard some hoas were

2874
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:35,000
involved in some discussion and

2875
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:38,000
we have heard that there is some

2876
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:40,000
impact potentially to the

2877
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,000
hoas.

2878
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:43,000
possibly in the form of

2879
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:44,000
additional costs.

2880
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,000
is there a clarification we can

2881
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:47,000
have around that.

2882
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:50,000
as to engagement with the impact

2883
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:54,000
of hoas and any cost impact to

2884
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:55,000
them.

2885
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:56,000
>> so, thank you.

2886
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,000
commissioner hankins and

2887
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:03,000
chairman.

2888
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:06,000
I think there is misconceptions

2889
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:10,600
of the potential for the bid

2890
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:15,000
works that's a financial tool to

2891
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:17,000
help support the infrastructure

2892
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:19,000
development that is necessary in

2893
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:20,000
order to develop any of these

2894
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:21,000
properties.

2895
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,400
as somebody mentioned the

2896
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:27,000
challenge of developing

2897
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:31,400
abandoned fairways with new

2898
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:34,000
development is steep.

2899
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:38,000
so the pid is a tool.

2900
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:40,000
it's a tool we plan to explore

2901
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:43,000
to see if it's implemented.

2902
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,000
the existing home owners will

2903
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:49,000
not be part of the pid.

2904
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:50,000
it would apply to the new

2905
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:52,000
development areas and the new

2906
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,000
residents only.

2907
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:55,000
the hoas.

2908
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:57,000
the question about the master

2909
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:58,000
hoa.

2910
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:00,000
once again the job of the master

2911
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:03,000
hoa is a coordinated entity that

2912
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:05,000
oversees the individual

2913
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:07,000
neighborhood hoas to make sure

2914
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:10,000
that things like maintenance and

2915
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:12,000
the responsibilities for the

2916
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:14,000
development of the open space

2917
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:17,000
areas that are part of each

2918
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:18,000
individual neighborhoods

2919
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:20,400
responsibility are done in

2920
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:23,400
concert with one another.

2921
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:26,000
and they're done right.

2922
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:29,000
the, once again the hoas will

2923
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:31,000
be created for each of the

2924
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:32,000
individual neighborhoods.

2925
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:35,000
they will not involve any of the

2926
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:37,000
existing residents outside of

2927
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:39,000
the projects themselves.

2928
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:43,000
so once again, we're actively

2929
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:48,000
looking at the tools.

2930
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:50,000
there have been changes at the

2931
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,000
state level in terms of the laws

2932
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:55,600
related to tifs and how those

2933
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:58,000
work.

2934
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:07,600
harry welkin is on the call.

2935
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:11,000
he has done this a long time.

2936
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:14,000
we are actively looking at the

2937
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:15,000
different mechanisms.

2938
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:17,000
trying to ultimately, the reason

2939
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:18,000
I think there is a change

2940
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:20,000
between the previous master plan

2941
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:24,000
and this one is really a deep

2942
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,000
dive into making sure that

2943
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:29,000
financially the project can be

2944
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:32,000
sustainable.

2945
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:35,000
make the developments and are

2946
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:43,000
supported that are necessary and

2947
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:45,000
the open spaces.

2948
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:47,000
the trails.

2949
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:50,000
so we don't have the problem

2950
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:52,000
down the road that it doesn't

2951
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:53,000
work.

2952
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:55,000
so we have really spent a lot of

2953
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:56,000
time on that.

2954
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:58,000
ken murphy who is also on the

2955
02:08:58,000 --> 02:08:59,000
call.

2956
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,000
his analysis is included in the

2957
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:03,000
appendixes.

2958
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:06,000
that really trying to make sure

2959
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:08,000
we understand how the economics

2960
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:09,000
work.

2961
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:10,000
make sure the project can

2962
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:12,400
sustain itself going forward.

2963
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:15,000
does that answer your question.

2964
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:16,000
>> yes, thank you.

2965
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:17,000
I appreciate.

2966
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:19,400
thank you, very much.

2967
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:26,000
>> ma'am, public comment is

2968
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:28,000
closed.

2969
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:34,000
>> this is the developer, the

2970
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:36,000
applicant.

2971
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:37,000
we're asking him the questions

2972
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:40,600
you all asked. I will ask,

2973
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:45,000
please.

2974
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:47,400
public comment is closed.

2975
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,000
>> okay.

2976
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:53,000
so the other question I do have

2977
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:57,000
is, I'm not sure if this is

2978
02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:58,000
staff or the developer, both.

2979
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:00,000
we did hear that you are

2980
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:03,000
honoring a grievance and it

2981
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:07,000
appears to indicate a different

2982
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:10,000
zoning type than what is on the

2983
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:11,000
proposal.

2984
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:12,000
is there a reason why the zoning

2985
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,400
being proposed and the

2986
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,000
agreements differentiate?

2987
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:22,000
>> thank you for that question.

2988
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:25,600
as so the zoning proposal is

2989
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:42,000
inclusive r6, I'm sorry r3.

2990
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:45,000
really the plan is to develop

2991
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:47,000
single family detached housing

2992
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:49,000
in each of these neighborhoods.

2993
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:52,000
think it was also comments about

2994
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:55,000
designating the open space areas

2995
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:56,000
within the neighborhoods in

2996
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,000
addition as a finer layer.

2997
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:01,600
we are working to straddle both

2998
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:10,000
the zoning originally

2999
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:12,000
established with the last

3000
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:16,200
resolution that was r4 and r --

3001
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:20,000
think it was all r4 at that

3002
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:21,000
time.

3003
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:24,000
so combining a combination of r4

3004
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:27,000
and r3 but recognizing those

3005
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:29,000
agreements that you mentioned

3006
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:32,000
that basically so the west nine

3007
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:34,000
development is restricted to

3008
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:36,000
following the r1 standards.

3009
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:38,000
if this commission recommended

3010
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:41,600
that the west, I forget the

3011
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:45,000
names, they get mixed up.

3012
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:47,000
we will call it the west nine.

3013
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:49,000
you know what I'm talking about.

3014
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:52,000
if this commission wanted to

3015
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:55,000
recommend r1 zoning when we get

3016
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:57,000
to that section of the agenda we

3017
02:11:57,000 --> 02:11:59,000
would be fine with that.

3018
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:01,000
we have agreed that would be

3019
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:03,000
developed with r1 standards.

3020
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:06,000
those houses will be single

3021
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:08,000
story, single access off

3022
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:11,000
broadmore and the 65-foot buffer

3023
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:12,000
around that.

3024
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,600
that is a non negotiable item.

3025
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:20,200
we will adhere to that and a

3026
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:23,000
bide by that.

3027
02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:25,000
whatever the zoning is.

3028
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:26,000
that's part of the standards.

3029
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:28,000
>> thank you for that

3030
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:30,000
clarification.

3031
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:32,400
I will go ahead.

3032
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:36,000
>> think commissioner hardisty

3033
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:41,000
touched on my question about the

3034
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:43,000
pid and existing residents.

3035
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:44,000
thank you for that. I have a

3036
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:45,000
question, I don't know if this

3037
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:46,000
is for the staff.

3038
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:49,000
can you tell us why the master

3039
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:52,000
plan was denied previously in

3040
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:54,000
2020 can you shed light on that

3041
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:57,600
and how this plan differs from

3042
02:12:59,000 --> 02:13:00,000
the previous.

3043
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:02,000
>> commissioner chair hankins.

3044
02:13:05,000 --> 02:13:08,000
>> I have to go back to the 2020

3045
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:09,000
for specifics.

3046
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:11,000
I think in general there has

3047
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:13,000
been staff lack of knowledge on

3048
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:15,000
the open space and how it would

3049
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:16,000
be maintained and plans for

3050
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:18,000
revegetation and things like

3051
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:19,000
that.

3052
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:20,000
that has been the consistent

3053
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:22,000
comment staff has had.

3054
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:24,000
I would have to look back at the

3055
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:27,000
abm in 2020 to go further into

3056
02:13:27,000 --> 02:13:28,000
detail.

3057
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,000
>> okay.

3058
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:30,000
thank you.

3059
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:32,000
that's all I have.

3060
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:34,400
>> commissioners to my right.

3061
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:40,000
>> hi, jim.

3062
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:43,600
so, currently the golf course is

3063
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:47,400
zoned su for neighborhood

3064
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:49,000
development.

3065
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:52,000
is that correct as it currently

3066
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:53,000
stands.

3067
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:54,000
>> I believe it's su for planned

3068
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:56,400
residential development for the

3069
02:13:57,000 --> 02:13:59,400
residential development areas is

3070
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:05,000
what it is at this time.

3071
02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:07,000
no.

3072
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:09,000
did I get that wrong?

3073
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:12,000
>> it's not su for neighborhood

3074
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:14,000
development?

3075
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:18,000
>> so, mr. Chair the development

3076
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:21,000
is su for planned residential

3077
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:25,000
development.

3078
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:28,000
there was underlined uses for

3079
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:31,000
acreage for open space and

3080
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:33,000
commercial.

3081
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:34,000
>> there was open space in that

3082
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:35,000
plan.

3083
02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:36,000
>> that's correct.

3084
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:38,000
>> I think there are concerns

3085
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:40,000
about the current plan as to the

3086
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:43,000
delineation of open space in the

3087
02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:45,000
zones of the existing

3088
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:47,000
neighborhoods.

3089
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:51,200
would you, it looks like in the

3090
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:55,000
plans it looks like open space.

3091
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:56,000
it doesn't look like

3092
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:57,000
residential.

3093
02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:59,400
are you consideration further,

3094
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:03,000
going into better detail about

3095
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:06,000
delineating the open space on

3096
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:10,000
your plan?

3097
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:13,400
>> so commissioner kofchur and

3098
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:19,000
mr. Chairman, the detailed plan,

3099
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,000
there are detailed plans for

3100
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:24,000
each neighborhood within the

3101
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:25,000
master plan.

3102
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:29,000
those do a more precise job with

3103
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:31,000
lay outs of the lot dimensions

3104
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:33,000
and areas as well as the open

3105
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:34,000
space.

3106
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:37,000
the intent is that when

3107
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,000
preliminary plats come in they

3108
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:43,000
refine the drawings.

3109
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:45,000
the intent for the development

3110
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:47,000
areas for the roadways and lots

3111
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:50,600
and the uppers and the adjacent

3112
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:54,000
open space would be a part of

3113
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:57,000
each of those off tracks.

3114
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:00,000
when a development for the

3115
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:03,000
neighborhood comes in those are

3116
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:06,000
firmly did he lineated with the

3117
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:07,000
plat.

3118
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:09,000
the maintenance and ownership

3119
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:11,000
responsible is for the hoa

3120
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:12,000
within each of those

3121
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:14,000
neighborhood areas.

3122
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:18,600
those plans would be part of

3123
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:25,000
each of the neighborhoods

3124
02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:26,000
developer.

3125
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:28,000
the intent is to implement those

3126
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:30,000
lay outs.

3127
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:33,000
to the best of our ability.

3128
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:34,000
we know and some of the issues

3129
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:37,000
that came up tonight include

3130
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:41,000
access, include emergency

3131
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:42,000
access.

3132
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:44,000
include a number of things that

3133
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:46,000
have to be worked out as part of

3134
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:49,000
the preliminary and final plats

3135
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:50,000
for the neighborhoods.

3136
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:52,000
I am not going to say there

3137
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,000
won't be changes.

3138
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:55,000
I anticipate there will be

3139
02:16:55,000 --> 02:16:56,000
changes as we go through the

3140
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,000
process with city staff.

3141
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:01,600
are those changes going to be

3142
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:07,000
monumental or -- of the

3143
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:09,000
neighborhoods.

3144
02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:11,000
I would say no.

3145
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:14,600
it's hard to did he lineate

3146
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:19,000
where the lines are exactly.

3147
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:21,000
those were developed by

3148
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:23,000
community design solutions, our

3149
02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:26,000
civil engineer, they work from a

3150
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:28,000
technical stand point.

3151
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:30,000
they haven't been through that

3152
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:31,000
process yet.

3153
02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:33,000
that is what needs to happen if

3154
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:36,600
this master plan is approved and

3155
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:38,000
they're allowed to move forward.

3156
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:40,000
that would be the responsibility

3157
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:43,000
of the individual home builder

3158
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:46,000
coming in with their specific

3159
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:48,000
plan for each of those areas.

3160
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:49,000
>> right.

3161
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:50,000
I understand this is a design

3162
02:17:50,000 --> 02:17:51,000
standard document.

3163
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:54,600
that you know, what you show

3164
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:56,000
with the roadways that could

3165
02:17:56,000 --> 02:17:58,000
change based on the trip counts

3166
02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:00,000
that are generated when the

3167
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:02,000
design is done.

3168
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:06,000
>> correct.

3169
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:09,000
>> I do have another question

3170
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:11,000
about community engagement.

3171
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:12,000
there seems to be some

3172
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,400
questions, disconnect with the

3173
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:18,000
community and the groups that

3174
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:20,000
represent the neighborhoods.

3175
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:27,000
what engagement, what history

3176
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:28,000
was done.

3177
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:30,000
was there, was there meetings

3178
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:33,000
involved that were in place?

3179
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:35,000
I'm just curious as to like,

3180
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:36,000
maybe like the numbers of

3181
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:37,000
meetings.

3182
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:40,000
I heard some comments they

3183
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:42,000
haven't had discussions or

3184
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:45,000
meetings since maybe july of

3185
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:46,000
last year.

3186
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:47,000
I wonder if you can talk about

3187
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:49,000
that.

3188
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:52,000
>> I'm a little disadvantage to

3189
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:54,000
answer that question

3190
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:55,000
specifically.

3191
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:56,000
that was not part of our scope

3192
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:59,000
of work and responsibility in

3193
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:01,000
regards to the master plan.

3194
02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:04,600
my client took that on himself.

3195
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:13,000
>> mr. Chavez.

3196
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:15,000
>> he is not here this evening.

3197
02:19:15,000 --> 02:19:17,000
I can not really speak to that

3198
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:18,000
directly.

3199
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:20,000
that's why.

3200
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:27,000
>> so we don't know what was

3201
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:29,000
discussed to this vantage point.

3202
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:31,000
how he presented things in the

3203
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:32,000
meetings.

3204
02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:34,000
>> I wasn't at the meetings.

3205
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:36,000
I was not part of that.

3206
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:40,200
>> I don't know, I will kick it

3207
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:49,000
over to scottie.

3208
02:19:49,000 --> 02:19:51,000
maybe I will come up with

3209
02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:53,000
another question.

3210
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:54,000
>> okay.

3211
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:55,000
I have two.

3212
02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:57,000
one is a basic statement

3213
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,000
regarding drainage.

3214
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:00,000
I heard issues about drainage

3215
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:02,000
flow come about a few times and

3216
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:05,000
the photos we have the package

3217
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:06,000
of.

3218
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:07,000
I will make a statement.

3219
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:09,000
the drainage problem issue

3220
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:12,000
pretty much be mitigated once

3221
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:14,000
the development is complete,

3222
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:17,000
pretty much or in the making so

3223
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:18,000
to speak.

3224
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:19,000
>> one hundred percent.

3225
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:22,000
>> the other thing that popped

3226
02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:26,800
up a few times was the cost of

3227
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,000
the landscaping of 400,000.

3228
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:34,000
400,000 I can't recall if that

3229
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:36,000
was the minimum, the starting

3230
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:38,000
point or the over all budget

3231
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:39,000
allocation.

3232
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:42,000
>> so, mr. Chavez has worked

3233
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:45,000
with a contractor to develop

3234
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:46,000
that number.

3235
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:48,000
that did not just come oust thin

3236
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,000
air.

3237
02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:51,400
worked directly with a

3238
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:55,000
contractor of what it would take

3239
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:58,000
to improve the trails in the

3240
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:01,600
north nine area as well as

3241
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:04,000
specific landscape improvements

3242
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:06,000
in that area.

3243
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:12,000
that I think is a base.

3244
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:14,000
it would take more than that.

3245
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,000
that is what the commitment is,

3246
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:18,000
that is the amount of money that

3247
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,000
will be bonded and made

3248
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:22,000
available for the improvements.

3249
02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:25,600
if, remember the main focus of

3250
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:29,000
mr. Chavez' goal for the north

3251
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:32,600
nine is to work with grants.

3252
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:37,000
looking to work with

3253
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:40,000
potentially -- the city, other

3254
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:43,000
non profits and other

3255
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:45,000
organization that's may take on

3256
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:47,000
the responsibility of ultimately

3257
02:21:47,000 --> 02:21:49,400
owning and maintaining the

3258
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:52,000
property in perpetuity.

3259
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:59,000
the commitment is if they're not

3260
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:01,000
successful in that effort than

3261
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:04,000
the $400,000 is available to be

3262
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:06,400
spent for those improvements.

3263
02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:08,000
>> okay.

3264
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:09,000
thank you.

3265
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:11,000
one last comment.

3266
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:13,000
I guess most of the open space

3267
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:16,000
or walk ways so to speak,

3268
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:18,000
trails, are pretty much

3269
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,400
developed through crusher pine.

3270
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:23,000
>> a combination.

3271
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:27,000
I was talk with one of the

3272
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:29,000
gentlemen during the break with

3273
02:22:29,000 --> 02:22:31,000
significant concerns about the

3274
02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:32,000
pressure pines.

3275
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:34,000
I walk almost every week, I walk

3276
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,400
the unm golf course.

3277
02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:39,000
I live there.

3278
02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:42,000
that trail system was improved

3279
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,000
as a collaborative effort

3280
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:45,000
between the university of new

3281
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:47,400
mexico and bernallio county.

3282
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:50,000
they're all pressure pines.

3283
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:53,000
it's a two mile loop around that

3284
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:55,000
existing golf course.

3285
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:58,000
I walk it every week.

3286
02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:01,000
it gets, it's incredible how

3287
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:03,000
much use that gets.

3288
02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:05,000
is it perfect, no.

3289
02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:07,000
does it need maintenance

3290
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:08,000
occasionally.

3291
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:09,000
yes.

3292
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:11,000
we have one of our gully

3293
02:23:11,000 --> 02:23:12,000
washers.

3294
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:13,000
they have to go out and make

3295
02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:15,000
improvements to the trail.

3296
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:16,000
I will tell you as a user of

3297
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:19,000
that trail, think my neighbors

3298
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:21,000
and the other people that use

3299
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:23,000
the trail on a daily basis would

3300
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:26,000
say they far prefer that then an

3301
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:28,400
asphalt multi use trail.

3302
02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:31,000
we have a combination of both

3303
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:32,000
identified in the plan.

3304
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:33,000
there is a connection to the

3305
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:36,000
park all the way through to the

3306
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:39,000
high resort across the area that

3307
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:41,000
would be a multi use trail.

3308
02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:44,600
that is, that is to accommodate

3309
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:47,000
bicycles and scooters, whatever

3310
02:23:47,000 --> 02:23:49,000
that maybe.

3311
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:52,600
the majority of the trails are

3312
02:23:53,000 --> 02:23:55,000
designated to be soft surface

3313
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:56,000
walking trails.

3314
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:58,000
we will ultimately do the

3315
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:00,000
analysis what that material

3316
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:01,000
needs to be and best treatment

3317
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:03,000
of that material to make sure

3318
02:24:03,000 --> 02:24:06,000
maintenance is kept to a

3319
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:08,000
minimum.

3320
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:10,000
some of that is working with the

3321
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:11,000
grading and drainage plan to

3322
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:14,000
make sure we're not creating

3323
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:16,000
situations where that pressure

3324
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:19,000
pine traylor whatever the soft

3325
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:22,000
surface is, is not washed out

3326
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:24,400
every time it rains.

3327
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:28,000
there is detail to go into that.

3328
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:30,000
once again as a user of trails

3329
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:33,000
throughout the city and the

3330
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:40,000
whole area, my preference is a

3331
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:42,000
soft surface walking trail for

3332
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:44,000
running and walking.

3333
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:49,000
it doesn't accommodate bicycles.

3334
02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:51,000
we have trails to do that

3335
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:53,000
outside of the walking paths.

3336
02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:54,000
>> okay.

3337
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:55,000
this is a good segway.

3338
02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:57,000
my last one is.

3339
02:24:57,000 --> 02:24:59,000
development on new development

3340
02:24:59,000 --> 02:25:01,400
brings about density, right.

3341
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:04,000
vehicles, people, right.

3342
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:09,000
I recall hearing a few times.

3343
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:11,000
I may have this wrong.

3344
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:13,000
along st. Andrews there is a

3345
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:15,000
lack of sidewalks.

3346
02:25:15,000 --> 02:25:16,000
>> right.

3347
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,000
>> okay.

3348
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:20,000
has there been a consideration

3349
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:23,000
to address that as development

3350
02:25:23,000 --> 02:25:27,000
grows if the project was to go

3351
02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:28,000
along.

3352
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:31,000
>> I don't think it's within our

3353
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:34,000
ability or the developer of that

3354
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:36,400
individual neighborhood to make

3355
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:39,400
improvements to st. Andrews.

3356
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:44,000
the question right away making

3357
02:25:45,000 --> 02:25:47,000
that happen.

3358
02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:49,000
I will say all of the new

3359
02:25:49,000 --> 02:25:51,000
neighborhoods will be developed

3360
02:25:51,000 --> 02:25:53,000
with sidewalks, curb and gutter,

3361
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:55,000
and streets developed to the

3362
02:25:55,000 --> 02:25:57,000
city standards.

3363
02:25:57,000 --> 02:26:00,000
once again we plan a robust

3364
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:03,000
internal walking and multi use

3365
02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:05,000
trail network that hopefully

3366
02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:07,400
provides those opportunities as

3367
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:12,000
well.

3368
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:13,000
>> that's all I have.

3369
02:26:13,000 --> 02:26:14,000
thank you.

3370
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:15,000
>> okay.

3371
02:26:15,000 --> 02:26:17,000
I will switch to this mic here.

3372
02:26:17,000 --> 02:26:18,000
I don't think that one is

3373
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:19,000
working very well.

3374
02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:21,000
a couple of things.

3375
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:23,000
first I want to thank the staff

3376
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:26,000
for putting in our packets

3377
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:27,000
starting last week all of the

3378
02:26:27,000 --> 02:26:29,000
comments that were coming in,

3379
02:26:29,000 --> 02:26:30,000
written.

3380
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:33,000
they provided when the original

3381
02:26:35,000 --> 02:26:37,000
packet came out on friday, again

3382
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:40,000
on monday, and again today.

3383
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:42,000
so we have received all of those

3384
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:44,000
comments prior to the meeting

3385
02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:46,000
today.

3386
02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:49,000
that is where I got a lot of my

3387
02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:50,000
questions from is from those

3388
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:52,000
comments that were submitted.

3389
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:54,000
so I will go through these.

3390
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:57,000
I think I understand what the

3391
02:26:57,000 --> 02:27:00,600
answer is but the drainage plans

3392
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:07,000
will have to be approved by

3393
02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:10,000
scafta, engineers and the city

3394
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:11,000
prior to any development.

3395
02:27:11,000 --> 02:27:12,000
is that correct?

3396
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:13,000
>> that is correct.

3397
02:27:13,000 --> 02:27:15,000
>> the roadways and sidewalks

3398
02:27:15,000 --> 02:27:17,000
have to be approved by the

3399
02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:20,000
city's engineers and the city

3400
02:27:21,000 --> 02:27:22,000
prior to any development,

3401
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:23,000
correct?

3402
02:27:23,000 --> 02:27:25,000
>> correct.

3403
02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:28,000
>> the city will look at the

3404
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:30,000
traffic counts and when you

3405
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:33,000
submit the plats and site plans

3406
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:34,000
and stuff, and the city

3407
02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:36,000
transportation department will

3408
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:40,000
then decide traffic impact

3409
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:42,000
analysis needs to be done or

3410
02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:44,000
further work needs to be done.

3411
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:45,000
is that correct?

3412
02:27:45,000 --> 02:27:46,000
>> that is correct.

3413
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:47,000
>> there were questions about

3414
02:27:47,000 --> 02:27:49,000
the signage throughout the

3415
02:27:49,000 --> 02:27:50,000
development.

3416
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:51,000
my understanding is from the

3417
02:27:51,000 --> 02:27:54,000
staff, any signs that are

3418
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:57,000
erected within that plan will

3419
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:02,000
have to be approved by the city

3420
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:04,000
and under the new city ordinance

3421
02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:06,000
on signs passed last year.

3422
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:08,000
>> that is correct.

3423
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:12,000
>> storm water and quality water

3424
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:14,000
discharge has to be approved by

3425
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:17,000
all of the governmental entities

3426
02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:19,000
involved in that, correct.

3427
02:28:19,000 --> 02:28:20,000
>> that is correct.

3428
02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:22,400
>> water, sewer, electricity all

3429
02:28:23,000 --> 02:28:25,000
has to be approved prior to any

3430
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:28,600
development by the city and the

3431
02:28:29,000 --> 02:28:31,000
state or who ever else has any

3432
02:28:31,000 --> 02:28:32,000
control over it.

3433
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:34,400
>> mr. Chairman, any plat

3434
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:38,000
requires not only the review and

3435
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:39,000
approval of the technical

3436
02:28:39,000 --> 02:28:41,000
engineering, technical

3437
02:28:43,000 --> 02:28:45,000
engineering studies prepared,

3438
02:28:45,000 --> 02:28:47,000
associated by the city

3439
02:28:47,000 --> 02:28:49,000
engineering staff but also all

3440
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:52,000
of the private utilities, pnm,

3441
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:55,000
gas company, cable.

3442
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:57,000
awful those utilities also have

3443
02:28:57,000 --> 02:28:59,000
to sign off on that plat prior

3444
02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:00,000
to any construction taking

3445
02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:01,000
place.

3446
02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:02,000
>> okay.

3447
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:05,000
>> a lot of questions came up

3448
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:07,000
about the abandoned lakes.

3449
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:09,000
it's my understanding that any

3450
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:11,000
work that has to be done on

3451
02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:14,600
those lakes has to be approved

3452
02:29:15,000 --> 02:29:17,400
by the state environment

3453
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:19,000
department.

3454
02:29:19,000 --> 02:29:21,000
>> that is correct.

3455
02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:25,000
so some of that work has been

3456
02:29:25,000 --> 02:29:27,000
completed for some of the lakes

3457
02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:30,000
that have been remediated prior.

3458
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:38,000
the final are in the review and

3459
02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:39,000
approval process today.

3460
02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:41,000
that will be completed, that

3461
02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:43,000
process will be completed prior

3462
02:29:43,000 --> 02:29:44,000
to any development in those

3463
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:45,000
areas.

3464
02:29:45,000 --> 02:29:46,000
>> that's all up to the state

3465
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:48,000
environment department.

3466
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:49,000
>> that's correct.

3467
02:29:49,000 --> 02:29:51,400
>> some questions about public

3468
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:55,000
schools.

3469
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:58,000
so the public knows when the

3470
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:01,000
staff puts their report together

3471
02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:05,000
they send this stuff to rio

3472
02:30:05,000 --> 02:30:07,000
rancho public schools.

3473
02:30:07,000 --> 02:30:10,000
I'm looking at the report and I

3474
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:11,000
will go through it.

3475
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:13,000
rio rancho public schools

3476
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:15,000
received a copy.

3477
02:30:15,000 --> 02:30:17,000
no comments provided.

3478
02:30:17,000 --> 02:30:20,600
usually in a master plan they

3479
02:30:23,000 --> 02:30:24,000
probably don't.

3480
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:26,000
when they go into the site

3481
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:27,000
development plan that's when the

3482
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:28,000
agencies make comments.

3483
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:30,000
fire department special.

3484
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:32,000
>> they won't approve any site

3485
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:34,000
development plan, emergency

3486
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:35,000
gates or whatever.

3487
02:30:35,000 --> 02:30:37,000
they will require the developer

3488
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:40,000
and everybody to follow their

3489
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:42,000
specifications and their rules

3490
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:43,000
and regulations.

3491
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:44,000
correct.

3492
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:45,000
>> that's correct.

3493
02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:48,000
they will require fire one plan

3494
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:50,000
and then ultimately a fire two

3495
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:52,000
plan, I believe prior to any

3496
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:53,000
construction.

3497
02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:55,000
>> I think you answered the

3498
02:30:55,000 --> 02:30:57,000
question on the pid or any type

3499
02:30:57,000 --> 02:30:59,000
of thing like that. That will

3500
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:02,000
only affect the new development.

3501
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:04,000
it does not affect the old

3502
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:06,400
surrounding areas that are

3503
02:31:07,000 --> 02:31:08,000
already there.

3504
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:10,000
>> that is correct.

3505
02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:13,000
>> think the last question that

3506
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:16,600
I had, you talked about the

3507
02:31:19,000 --> 02:31:22,000
zoning and whatever everyone has

3508
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:24,000
agreed to on paper, that is what

3509
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:25,000
will you follow.

3510
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:27,000
so, I guess my question to staff

3511
02:31:27,000 --> 02:31:31,000
is how do we put that in a

3512
02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:34,000
motion or whatever to make sure

3513
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:37,000
that is done, so that there is

3514
02:31:37,000 --> 02:31:40,000
no misconception down the road.

3515
02:31:41,000 --> 02:31:43,000
it was r4 zoning, but they

3516
02:31:43,000 --> 02:31:46,000
agreed to do the r3 standards.

3517
02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:48,000
then they say we don't want to

3518
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:51,000
do the r3 standards anymore.

3519
02:31:53,000 --> 02:31:55,000
how do we make sure that is

3520
02:31:55,000 --> 02:31:56,000
done?

3521
02:31:56,000 --> 02:31:59,600
>> mr. Chair, what we can do

3522
02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:03,000
because the city can not enforce

3523
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:05,000
private convenance.

3524
02:32:05,000 --> 02:32:07,000
that's a private party matter.

3525
02:32:07,000 --> 02:32:10,000
we recommend an amendment to the

3526
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:12,000
proposed ordinance that we

3527
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:14,000
drafted to change that zoning

3528
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:16,000
requirement to that specific

3529
02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:17,000
zoning type.

3530
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:20,000
whether that's r1 or r2.

3531
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:23,000
there is also the additional

3532
02:32:23,000 --> 02:32:25,000
option the applicant can request

3533
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:27,000
to postpone or with draw the

3534
02:32:27,000 --> 02:32:30,000
item making those edits and

3535
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:32,000
submitting a new application

3536
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:34,000
with the edits in place as well.

3537
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:35,000
there are a couple of options

3538
02:32:35,000 --> 02:32:36,000
available.

3539
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:39,000
>> last question I have, roads

3540
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:42,000
within the master plan will

3541
02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:45,000
those be private roads or city

3542
02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:47,000
maintained and owned roads?

3543
02:32:47,000 --> 02:32:49,000
>> so within the individual

3544
02:32:49,000 --> 02:32:51,000
neighborhoods I don't believe

3545
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:53,400
that determination has been

3546
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:55,000
made.

3547
02:32:55,000 --> 02:32:56,000
they could be private roads if

3548
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:59,000
they chose to gate those

3549
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:00,000
neighborhoods.

3550
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:04,000
if they don't that has not been

3551
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:05,000
determined.

3552
02:33:05,000 --> 02:33:07,400
the individual home builders

3553
02:33:10,000 --> 02:33:12,000
would likely make the

3554
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:13,000
determinations.

3555
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:15,000
we have determined within the

3556
02:33:15,000 --> 02:33:16,000
town center where we have the

3557
02:33:16,000 --> 02:33:19,000
plaza and one way streets and on

3558
02:33:19,000 --> 02:33:21,000
street parking that our proposal

3559
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:24,600
is that those roadways would be

3560
02:33:25,000 --> 02:33:27,000
developed as private roads in

3561
02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:29,000
order to allow us to provide

3562
02:33:29,000 --> 02:33:32,600
lower speed limits then the city

3563
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:35,000
might normally impose and

3564
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:37,000
different roadway standards.

3565
02:33:37,000 --> 02:33:39,000
we understand and anticipate

3566
02:33:39,000 --> 02:33:40,000
that the design of those

3567
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:43,000
roadways and that roadway system

3568
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:45,000
through the town center will be

3569
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:47,000
something that has to get

3570
02:33:47,000 --> 02:33:49,000
negotiated and worked out with

3571
02:33:49,000 --> 02:33:51,000
city staff prior to a site plan

3572
02:33:51,000 --> 02:33:54,000
coming forward for review and

3573
02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:57,000
approval.

3574
02:33:58,000 --> 02:33:59,000
>> okay.

3575
02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:01,000
I am just looking to see if I

3576
02:34:01,000 --> 02:34:02,000
have more questions.

3577
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:04,000
again the majority of the

3578
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:06,000
questions I want the public to

3579
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:09,000
know came from comments we

3580
02:34:09,000 --> 02:34:11,000
received written prior to

3581
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:13,000
tonight's meeting.

3582
02:34:13,000 --> 02:34:15,000
at least on my point.

3583
02:34:15,000 --> 02:34:17,000
any other questions or comments

3584
02:34:17,000 --> 02:34:19,000
from the board?

3585
02:34:19,000 --> 02:34:21,000
>> I have one additional

3586
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:22,000
question or clarification.

3587
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:25,600
so there was concern that if

3588
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:29,000
this master plan were to be

3589
02:34:29,000 --> 02:34:30,000
approved the parcels would be

3590
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:32,000
sold off and used in a manner

3591
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:34,000
not conforming to the master

3592
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:35,000
plan.

3593
02:34:35,000 --> 02:34:37,000
my understanding is once we

3594
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:38,000
approve a master plan that's not

3595
02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:39,000
possible.

3596
02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:41,000
what ever is developed there

3597
02:34:41,000 --> 02:34:43,000
conforms to the master plan.

3598
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:45,000
is my understanding accurate.

3599
02:34:45,000 --> 02:34:47,000
>> maybe a better question for

3600
02:34:47,000 --> 02:34:48,000
staff.

3601
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:50,000
I will take a stab at answering

3602
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:51,000
it.

3603
02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:52,000
my understanding as well.

3604
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:54,000
once again when individual

3605
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:55,000
developments come through

3606
02:34:55,000 --> 02:34:58,000
they're evaluated based on their

3607
02:34:58,000 --> 02:35:00,000
conformance with the master plan

3608
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,000
and as part of the review

3609
02:35:03,000 --> 02:35:05,000
process through the city staff.

3610
02:35:05,000 --> 02:35:07,400
>> amy, is that accurate.

3611
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:09,000
>> mr. Chair, commissioner

3612
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:11,000
hardisty, that's correct.

3613
02:35:13,000 --> 02:35:16,600
we attach this to the property

3614
02:35:17,000 --> 02:35:18,000
itself.

3615
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:21,000
even if it changes ownership it

3616
02:35:21,000 --> 02:35:22,000
is still in place.

3617
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:24,000
same thing with the zoning.

3618
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:25,000
even when they sell the property

3619
02:35:25,000 --> 02:35:27,000
to the new property owners that

3620
02:35:27,000 --> 02:35:29,000
zoning would stay the same

3621
02:35:29,000 --> 02:35:31,000
between the different owners.

3622
02:35:31,000 --> 02:35:32,000
>> okay.

3623
02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:33,000
thank you.

3624
02:35:33,000 --> 02:35:35,400
that's all I have.

3625
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:37,000
>> any other comments from the

3626
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:38,000
board.

3627
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:41,600
>> mr. S., does the owner intend

3628
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:45,600
to develop the parcels or are

3629
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:50,000
each one done by a different

3630
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:51,000
element.

3631
02:35:51,000 --> 02:35:52,000
>> my understanding is

3632
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:55,000
mr. Chavez is intending to be

3633
02:35:55,000 --> 02:35:57,000
the developer of the town center

3634
02:35:57,000 --> 02:36:00,000
and that is going to be the

3635
02:36:00,000 --> 02:36:02,000
heart of the community.

3636
02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:04,000
he will be taking that on

3637
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:05,000
himself.

3638
02:36:05,000 --> 02:36:07,000
the individual neighborhoods

3639
02:36:07,000 --> 02:36:10,000
would likely be sold to

3640
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:12,400
individual home builders and

3641
02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:16,000
really trying to pay attention

3642
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:19,000
to the different products and

3643
02:36:19,000 --> 02:36:20,000
price points.

3644
02:36:20,000 --> 02:36:22,000
I think someone used the term

3645
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:24,000
"affordable housing" as a

3646
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:26,000
commenter.

3647
02:36:26,000 --> 02:36:29,000
I think I can guarantee this

3648
02:36:29,000 --> 02:36:31,000
project is not going to be

3649
02:36:31,000 --> 02:36:32,000
affordable.

3650
02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:33,000
>> market rate.

3651
02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:36,000
>> they will be market rate and

3652
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:38,000
that's just the nature of the

3653
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:41,000
cost of this, this type of

3654
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:44,000
project and the custom sort of

3655
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:45,000
niches that each of the

3656
02:36:45,000 --> 02:36:47,000
neighborhoods will fill.

3657
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:49,000
it doesn't lend itself to

3658
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:51,000
affordable product.

3659
02:36:58,000 --> 02:37:00,000
>> any other comments from the

3660
02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:01,000
board?

3661
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:02,000
any other questions.

3662
02:37:02,000 --> 02:37:03,000
>> thank you.

3663
02:37:03,000 --> 02:37:06,000
>> so, I guess the only one is,

3664
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:07,000
do we have the ability to

3665
02:37:07,000 --> 02:37:10,000
recommend to the governing body

3666
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:14,000
to amend the ordinance to

3667
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:15,000
include those in the zoning

3668
02:37:15,000 --> 02:37:17,000
issues talked about?

3669
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:18,000
>> chair, yes.

3670
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:21,000
I would ask for as detailed

3671
02:37:21,000 --> 02:37:23,000
language as possible.

3672
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:26,000
we can put that into the agenda

3673
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:28,000
briefing memorandum for the

3674
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:29,000
governing bod.y.

3675
02:37:29,000 --> 02:37:32,000
>> I guess I will ask the staff

3676
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:34,000
to start the plan in front of

3677
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:36,000
you where you have the

3678
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:38,000
highlighted areas where the

3679
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:40,000
agreements were reached that

3680
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:43,000
even though it was r4, that they

3681
02:37:43,000 --> 02:37:46,000
would follow the r3 standards

3682
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:52,000
and the areas going on there.

3683
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:54,000
>> mr. Chairman and staff, if I

3684
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:56,000
might, I think the crux of it is

3685
02:37:56,000 --> 02:37:59,600
that the west nine would develop

3686
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:04,000
based on r1 standards in terms

3687
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:06,000
of lot width and lot size.

3688
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:09,600
be limited to single story, and

3689
02:38:11,000 --> 02:38:14,000
a single entrance off of

3690
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:15,000
broadmore.

3691
02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:18,000
so there is an out parcel, two

3692
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:20,000
parcels work together.

3693
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:23,600
that there is a 65-foot buffer

3694
02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:26,000
between the perimeter of the

3695
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:28,400
property and the houses.

3696
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:32,000
that is how that subdivision has

3697
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:33,000
been laid out.

3698
02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:35,000
that is included in the master

3699
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:36,000
plan.

3700
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:40,200
then I think it's vida m. Is

3701
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:48,000
that center subdivision in the

3702
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:49,000
east nine.

3703
02:38:49,000 --> 02:38:51,000
that would be developed with r2

3704
02:38:51,000 --> 02:38:54,000
standards and limited to single

3705
02:38:55,000 --> 02:38:56,000
story as well.

3706
02:38:56,000 --> 02:38:59,000
>> is that good enough language,

3707
02:38:59,000 --> 02:39:02,000
amy, making the motion with what

3708
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:04,000
he said?

3709
02:39:09,000 --> 02:39:11,000
>> mr. Chair, yes.

3710
02:39:11,000 --> 02:39:15,000
let me make sure I'm on the same

3711
02:39:15,000 --> 02:39:16,000
page.

3712
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:17,000
from my understanding we

3713
02:39:17,000 --> 02:39:19,000
st. West nine subdivision,

3714
02:39:19,000 --> 02:39:22,000
proposed subdivision on the west

3715
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:23,000
nine the zoning request is

3716
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:26,600
changing from r4 to r1 standards

3717
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:30,400
and single family, single

3718
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:33,000
family, single story, single

3719
02:39:33,000 --> 02:39:36,000
entrance off broadmore to be

3720
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:37,000
shared between both of the

3721
02:39:37,000 --> 02:39:39,000
properties of that area.

3722
02:39:39,000 --> 02:39:42,000
then a 65-foot buffer between

3723
02:39:42,000 --> 02:39:45,000
the existing residential and the

3724
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:48,000
proposed future property lines.

3725
02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:49,000
>> that's correct.

3726
02:39:49,000 --> 02:39:52,600
then for the second section the

3727
02:39:56,000 --> 02:39:59,000
vida m. Subdivision built to the

3728
02:39:59,000 --> 02:40:01,400
r2 standards single story.

3729
02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:04,000
I didn't hear anything about

3730
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:05,000
buffer standards on that one.

3731
02:40:05,000 --> 02:40:07,000
>> I will make that motion.

3732
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:09,000
okay.

3733
02:40:13,000 --> 02:40:15,000
any discussion on the motion.

3734
02:40:15,000 --> 02:40:17,000
roll call on the motion.

3735
02:40:17,000 --> 02:40:19,000
>> chairman radosevich.

3736
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:25,000
>> yes.

3737
02:40:25,000 --> 02:40:27,000
>> commissioner hardisty.

3738
02:40:27,000 --> 02:40:28,000
>> yes.

3739
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:30,000
>> mr. Hankins.

3740
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:31,000
>> yes.

3741
02:40:31,000 --> 02:40:33,000
>> commissioner kofchur.

3742
02:40:33,000 --> 02:40:34,000
>> yes.

3743
02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:35,000
>> vice chair richardson.

3744
02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:36,000
>> yes.

3745
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:37,000
>> motion passes.

3746
02:40:37,000 --> 02:40:39,000
>> I will now entertain the

3747
02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:42,600
motion on the floor for approval

3748
02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:46,000
of item number 4, master plan.

3749
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:49,000
any other discussion on that?

3750
02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:50,000
seeing none call the roll.

3751
02:40:50,000 --> 02:40:53,000
>> there was a motion before

3752
02:40:59,000 --> 02:41:00,000
public comment.

3753
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:01,000
the notes I have is that

3754
02:41:01,000 --> 02:41:04,000
richardson made the motion and

3755
02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:06,400
hankins was the second.

3756
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:13,000
>> vice chair richardson.

3757
02:41:13,000 --> 02:41:14,000
>> yes.

3758
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:16,000
>> commissioner kofchur.

3759
02:41:17,000 --> 02:41:18,000
>>

3760
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:19,000
>> yes.

3761
02:41:19,000 --> 02:41:20,000
>> commissioner hardisty.

3762
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:21,000
>> yes.

3763
02:41:21,000 --> 02:41:22,000
>> commissioner hankins.

3764
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:23,000
>> yes.

3765
02:41:23,000 --> 02:41:25,000
>> chair radosvevich.

3766
02:41:29,000 --> 02:41:30,000
>> yes.

3767
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:31,000
>> okay --

3768
02:41:31,000 --> 02:41:33,400
>> I believe they're approving

3769
02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:36,000
it.

3770
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:38,000
>> -- through request approval

3771
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:41,000
of the zone map amendment from

3772
02:41:41,000 --> 02:41:43,000
approximately 281 acres for

3773
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:45,000
property legally described as

3774
02:41:45,000 --> 02:41:47,400
rombla calle, track 2, parcel 2,

3775
02:41:53,000 --> 02:41:56,000
3, 5, track a, and chamisa hills

3776
02:41:59,000 --> 02:42:02,000
north, parcel 2, su special use

3777
02:42:05,000 --> 02:42:08,600
to open space district, pr parks

3778
02:42:09,000 --> 02:42:11,400
and recreation district, mau

3779
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:15,000
mixed use activity district, c1

3780
02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:18,400
retail district, r4 mixed

3781
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:22,400
residential district, and r4

3782
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:25,000
single family.

3783
02:42:25,000 --> 02:42:27,000
staff contact is michelle c.

3784
02:42:27,000 --> 02:42:29,400
staff recommends planning and

3785
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:32,000
zoning board approval to the

3786
02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:33,000
governoring body.

3787
02:42:33,000 --> 02:42:35,000
michelle, any further comments.

3788
02:42:35,000 --> 02:42:36,000
>> thank you.

3789
02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:38,000
no further comments.

3790
02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:40,000
>> at this time I will entertain

3791
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:42,000
a motion to approve item number

3792
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:44,000
5, zone map amendment.

3793
02:42:45,000 --> 02:42:46,000
>> mr. Chair, I was going to say

3794
02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:49,000
if we can also, because last

3795
02:42:49,000 --> 02:42:50,000
amendment was to the master

3796
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:51,000
plan.

3797
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:53,000
if we can also make the same

3798
02:42:53,000 --> 02:42:55,000
amendment for the zoning.

3799
02:42:55,000 --> 02:42:56,000
>> as amended.

3800
02:42:56,000 --> 02:42:57,000
>> correct.

3801
02:42:57,000 --> 02:42:59,000
>> as amended.

3802
02:42:59,000 --> 02:43:01,000
>> commissioner hardisty motion

3803
02:43:03,000 --> 02:43:04,000
to approve the zone map

3804
02:43:04,000 --> 02:43:06,000
amendment as amended.

3805
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:09,000
>> mr. Hankins, I will second.

3806
02:43:09,000 --> 02:43:11,000
>> any discussion from the

3807
02:43:11,000 --> 02:43:12,000
board.

3808
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:14,000
>> mr. Chair I actually think we

3809
02:43:14,000 --> 02:43:16,000
need to make a separate motion

3810
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:18,400
to amend the ordinance.

3811
02:43:19,000 --> 02:43:21,000
the previous one amended the

3812
02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:22,000
master plan.

3813
02:43:22,000 --> 02:43:23,000
this one will amend the zoning

3814
02:43:23,000 --> 02:43:25,000
item itself.

3815
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:28,000
>> okay.

3816
02:43:29,000 --> 02:43:30,000
so who wants to make the motion.

3817
02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:31,000
>> I motion.

3818
02:43:31,000 --> 02:43:33,000
>> to amend the ordinance.

3819
02:43:33,000 --> 02:43:35,000
>> to amend the order.

3820
02:43:35,000 --> 02:43:37,000
>> do I have a second.

3821
02:43:37,000 --> 02:43:39,000
>> second commissioner hardisty.

3822
02:43:39,000 --> 02:43:41,000
>> any discussion.

3823
02:43:41,000 --> 02:43:42,000
seeing none call the roll.

3824
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:44,000
>> commissioner richardson.

3825
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:47,000
>> yes.

3826
02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:49,000
>> commissioner kofchur.

3827
02:43:51,000 --> 02:43:52,000
>> yes.

3828
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:54,000
>> commissioner hankins.

3829
02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:55,000
>> yes.

3830
02:43:55,000 --> 02:43:57,000
>> commissioner hardisty.

3831
02:43:57,000 --> 02:43:58,000
>> yes.

3832
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:00,000
>> chairman radosevich.

3833
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:05,000
>> yes.

3834
02:44:05,000 --> 02:44:06,000
>> pass.

3835
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:10,000
>> now we need to -- zone map.

3836
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:12,000
>> as amendment.

3837
02:44:13,000 --> 02:44:16,000
>> approve zone map amendment as

3838
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:17,000
amended.

3839
02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:19,000
>> commissioner hardisty.

3840
02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:22,400
>> commissioner hankins I will

3841
02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:24,000
second.

3842
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:25,000
>> any discussion from the

3843
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:26,000
board.

3844
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:28,000
seeing none call the roll.

3845
02:44:28,000 --> 02:44:30,000
>> vice chair richardson.

3846
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:31,000
>> yes.

3847
02:44:31,000 --> 02:44:33,000
>> commissioner kofchur.

3848
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:37,000
>> yes.

3849
02:44:37,000 --> 02:44:39,000
>> commissioner hardisty.

3850
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:40,000
>> yes.

3851
02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:41,000
>> commissioner hankins.

3852
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:42,000
>> yes.

3853
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:44,000
>> chairman radosevich.

3854
02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:47,000
>> yes.

3855
02:44:47,000 --> 02:44:49,000
>> motion passes.

3856
02:44:49,000 --> 02:44:51,000
>> next item on the agenda

3857
02:44:51,000 --> 02:44:53,000
discussion, deliberation.

3858
02:44:56,000 --> 02:44:58,000
comments by members.

3859
02:44:58,000 --> 02:45:00,000
I think the only comment is I

3860
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,000
have, I talked to staff that

3861
02:45:02,000 --> 02:45:05,000
we're going to have informal

3862
02:45:05,000 --> 02:45:08,000
meet and greet on april the

3863
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:09,000
18th of commissioners.

3864
02:45:09,000 --> 02:45:12,000
publicize that pursuant to the

3865
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:14,000
ordinance.

3866
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:16,000
that is all I have.

3867
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:18,000
any other comments?

3868
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:20,000
okay.

3869
02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:22,000
public forum wishing to speak in

3870
02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:24,000
a public forum.

3871
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:25,000
>> yes.

3872
02:45:25,000 --> 02:45:26,000
>> step up.

3873
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:28,000
>> mr. Chair, so public forum

3874
02:45:28,000 --> 02:45:30,000
had to be signed up for by

3875
02:45:30,000 --> 02:45:32,000
6:00 p.m.

3876
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:34,000
so if they have their notice we

3877
02:45:34,000 --> 02:45:36,000
can go ahead and do that.

3878
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:38,000
if we don't have someone signed

3879
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:40,000
up we can't allow additional

3880
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:41,000
public forum.

3881
02:45:41,000 --> 02:45:43,000
>> if you didn't sign up ahead

3882
02:45:43,000 --> 02:45:46,000
of time we can't have public

3883
02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:47,000
comment.

3884
02:45:47,000 --> 02:45:48,000
>> I did sign up.

3885
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:50,000
I would like to thank the staff

3886
02:45:50,000 --> 02:45:52,400
for their hard work.

3887
02:45:53,000 --> 02:45:54,000
[inaudible]

3888
02:45:54,000 --> 02:45:56,000
[unable to hear]

3889
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:06,000
>> okay at this time I will

3890
02:46:06,000 --> 02:46:08,000
entertain a motion for

3891
02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:09,000
adjournment.

3892
02:46:09,000 --> 02:46:10,000
a motion.

3893
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:11,000
a second.

3894
02:46:11,000 --> 02:46:12,000
>> second.

3895
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:13,000
>> all in favor say I.

3896
02:46:13,000 --> 02:46:14,000
>> I.

3897
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:15,000
>> opposed.

3898
02:46:15,000 --> 02:46:16,000
we are adjourned.

3899
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:18,000
thank you, all.