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» Yeah.

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I'm still a little bit

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You don't get misqued.
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» Oh, I haven't seen any fake news at all.
I didn't see anything.

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» All right. Uh 6 o'clock we will call our
workshop to order. Um believe it or not,

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we do have some things to do that are
not about forecast. So let's knock those

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out [clears throat] and then we will go
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Um
first thing uh any anybody have any

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comments on the minutes from previous
meeting at special meeting? All right.

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We are
we have been given the grant for the US

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Department of Transportation Safe
Streets

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and uh it's about a $12 million grant.
We have five years to use the money. We

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have to pay 20% of it. Craig's gonna
give us the big butts, nuts and bolts,

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but it's kind of been dialed back. I'll
let him talk about that.

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» So, in about this time, two years ago,
we were notified that we had been uh

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awarded safe streets for all or SS4A
implementation grant. Um total amount of

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12,91,730.

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The amount of the grant federal funding
is 9,673

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384. The city's match is up to 2
2,418,346.

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Typically the once the grant's awarded,
there's agreements. There's back and

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forth looking at the application, you
know, owning the scope of the grant and

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all that. That normally takes about 11
months. It took two years this time

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because we changed presidential
administration. When the new

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administration came in, they basically
hit the brakes on all grants and so they

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just stopped. Um, we'd already started
the process. All the people we dealt

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with got sent away. They cut the Federal
Highway Administration staffing by about

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60%. It's my understanding. So, finally
about the beginning of this year, things

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settled down. We started the process of
working with them and Kimley Horn, who

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if you remember, we all were paying to
assist us with that worked on it. Um,

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one of the things they did do in that is
they narrowed down the scope of the

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grant somewhat. The original grant had
four four basic components. One was

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street signs, another was street
lighting. Another was highway

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delineation,

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rumble strips, speed the speed limit
signs, interactive speed limit signs,

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things like that. And uh the final part
was a safe routes to school pilot study

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which would look at the roads and
pedestrian traffic and everything around

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all of the schools here.
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the highway administration came back and
basically on the street signs and the

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street lighting, they narrowed the focus
down to the areas. Back up a little bit.

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When the grant was first applied for,
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a safety study that was completed by the
MO that uh looked at traffic accidents

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on major thorough burst collectors and
things in the city which kind of became

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the foundation for the grant and
identified traffic accidents in

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different locations of the city. So that
kind well during the negotiation they

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came back and says well we're not going
to let you do street lights citywide or

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sign citywide. They're going to have to
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So they've narrowed it down those
corridors based on that. I don't

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anticipate we we will expend the full
grant amount. We're not required to

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expend it, but that will hone in and
limit some of what we can spend it on,

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but the other the parts are still in
there. It does basically limit

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any of the work. I'll get down to that.
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» what are those corridors that they're
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» That's what I was going to. So it's West
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Robinson to US77. Old Robinson Road from
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Robinson Drive from
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Drive from North Robinson Road to 77,
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Road to South Andrews Drive. And again,
that was based on the traffic study and

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everything that was done by the NO where
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numbers and traffic numbers and
everything over six, sevenyear period.

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And so that's what they honed it in on.
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inventory or street light inventory
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people go out select an engineering
firm. They'll come out, they'll study,

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see if we have adequate roads and make
recommendations where we can improve

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that lightning.
There'll be a citywide, it says citywide

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sign inventory, but it's really against
to those make sure that the signs that

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are there are adequate that they have
proper reflectivity and if not identify

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them. There is also a component there um
to try to put the signs especially like

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on West Moonlight where you're going
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the
interactive signs where it shows you

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your speed that you're going and things
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be the uh street light installation. So
the lights located and identify where we

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need more lighting will include that
same thing with the signage. And then

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the last thing as far as that part of it
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delineation, rumble stripe and speed
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One of the things we have talked about
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Moonlight, Lindell, Peplo, where we have
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2, where we have the center suicide
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roads, once you're coming up to make a
left turn and somebody's coming at you

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across the intersection head on because
they're wanting to make a left turn on

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the other side. So, one of the things
that we will look at and we'll have to

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work with Tesla on that is whether or
not we could put raised medians in those

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areas to restrict so that people have to
get past that lift turn lane before they

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can get into that center lane. There's
not enough funding to do at the entire

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length, but we at least want to look at
those those four intersections

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especially. We we tend to have issues
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component is the safe routes to school
study and that will basically extends to

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half a mile around Robinson High,
Robinson Junior High, Robinson

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Intermediate, Robinson Elementary, and
Robinson Primary School. So this is the

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final step as far as the agreement. If
you authorize me to sign it, I'll sign

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it. The 5-year clock will start running.
I do have an RF Q that I got from the NO

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yesterday. I'll be updating to put it
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included in this. So, but we do have to
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made, we have to then go out and select
the engineering firm. So, we'll have to

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go through that process and we'll get
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» Questions?
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passed our budget, so we're probably
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I mean, we have to match as we go, but
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we can use fund balance, and we can also
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the street bonds, we did include wording
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especially the delineation, some of
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you know, we have matching sources
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of the first year is going to be
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I mean the RFQ process is probably going
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publish it for a certain period of time
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submit their credentials and we have to
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selection and we have to negotiate with
them and then bring them to you all for

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approval. So so that will take some time
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happen before they can even start to do
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some things they've got to coordinate.
They have to do a

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[clears throat] there's requirements
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any work there. Some of it's
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impact stuff. So all that will have to
be coordinated, but that's all funded

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through the grant and text's aware that
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start
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77 on the current project, but you
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to So the the 2023 SS4A grant that was
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demonstration projects. One of the
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intersection there at
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that turn lane, but one of the problems
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then they immediately shoot four lanes,
five lanes across the highway to San

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Bonito and things. And so we that's a
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coming and they just shoot over straight
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>> Basically they're not it stops traffic

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» measure. They're separate engineering
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I think they're waiting for this project
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replacement before they move forward.
And again it's a demonstration. It's not

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meant to be permanent, but I think
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is this a potential solution that can
then be installed? And if it is, then

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that's something we may be able to do
with this funding if unless Texot's

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willing to do it.
>> Is this one that 23 also include clover

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leaves onto?
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the MTP, the 2050 MTP.
So you got 24 years to go

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» takes out plans 25 years in advance.
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was not involved with the no. So none of
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five different projects on I was I was
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year. So we got four or five Robinson
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converting 77 from a uh
rural highway section to an urban where

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it would turn everything from
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would become a curb and gutter
median and center sidewalks the whole

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» they originally planned a date they
rescheduled with you on the no

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presentation on the business 77 corridor
they're going to come make a

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presentation and change their date
they reached out to you the NPL

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so they haven't chated
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had had a tenative date and then they
reached out and said we want to change

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that date

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» David Herold is actually on that group
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but that that's a whole separate thing
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something here that's more
driving development future along the

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highway.
>> So you anticipate that this grant will

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help us on the current street plans that
we have going forward. Could that save

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us some money using
>> I'm going to say it's the whole thing is

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designed to improve safety in these
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» and we're rebuilding some roads. So
would this help us in the rebuilding of

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these roads too? We're not re Well, I
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» or or the reconstruction we're doing or
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or repaving some of these roads, but
this is more designed to the the safety

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side of it. So, it's not really going to
save us any money on our projects.

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» As far as lighting is concerned, there's
a lot of unlit areas.

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» Well, and again, the lighting will only
pertain to the areas. So everything

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there's an attachment a in the grant
that's there and it lists each component

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and which area is that component and
like I said the original grant was

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intended to cover a much larger scope
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administrations changed and the new
administration really tightened down. In

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fact there was a a period of time we
really expected we were going to lose

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it. They were just going to pull it all
back but they ended up not doing that.

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They did pull a lot of various grants
that had already been awarded back, but

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they did not pull back the SS.
>> But this is something you you really

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think our city needs.
>> Yeah. I mean, these are areas where we

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we see significant highway issues in
there. And thing is some of them are

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text roadways, but text is not spend the
funds to do it.

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» We're the ones our police department are
the ones are out there working accidents

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and our residents and our people coming
to business here are the ones that are

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having those accidents.
Any other questions?

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» Everybody in agreement because we're
going to put this on the consent.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. Uh next we have a change order for

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the water treatment plant yard piping.
Uh you want that or is that Greg and the

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engineers?
>> I can start on it. It's all Greg's

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fault.
>> Not this Greg.

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» Hobs. Greg Hobs fault.
>> Yeah. We we we briefed you all earlier

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in the year about our algae issue in
reservoir 1A and it's not gotten any

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better and it's created challenges with
the project and so we've run into having

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to make some changes.
We've also lost a pump and even though

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we have new pumps going, they're months
away. We're having to rent a temporary

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pump to have backup and things. So all
these adjustments we're having to make

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to work around and reorder the project
is is pushing some costs up. So that's

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why this
It is pushing it above the original.

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Greg is here.
Get into the weeds.

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» Does anybody want to get in the weeds or
into the algae?

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» Yeah.
>> I mean, just so one of the compon one of

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the components is actually separate.
We'll talk about that next. But um we

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had to make some alterations to the
intake structure. Part of that was we're

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going to change the backwash system.
They came up, I think, with a more

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efficient way to do it. But we had to
make some changes in there so we could

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drain water back during down times, but
also if we need to hook this temporary

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pump up that we're rent to have on site
in case we lose our current because we

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lose our current pump, we're in a lot of
trouble because we're right now drawn

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straight into the river to treat.
And then there's a lot of cost being

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driven by the algae just we've had to
resequence the project and do some of

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those things.
So that's what it's there. But they're

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all here if you have any questions.
>> Anybody at the table we got any

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questions?
>> Everybody good with the change order?

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Okay. Then uh like you said, there's a
second component of this of funding two

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of these sonic pure pulsar ultra sonic
systems. So let me tell you, let him

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tell you what they are.
You want to kind of describe what?

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» Sure.
>> What the Sonic Pure stuff is?

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» Yeah. We went into an agreement to rent
a couple of them for six months to give

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them trial and see how they work out for
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» But they float on top the reservoir and
they have a solar panel that keeps them

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generating. They send out a high
frequency pulse into the water and it's

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supposed to kill the algae. So, we're in
such desperate need at the time. We were

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trying anything to just to get the ball
rolling, try to get the algae cleaned

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out. But we're hoping it may be a
long-term solution to prevent future

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algae blooms from occurring.
>> But right now, we're doing it on a trial

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basis. You're saying
>> it's a rented deal for six months. At

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the end of the six months, you can
return them or you can purchase them.

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» I noticed you get 50% of your rental fee
>> the rental fee back.

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» So, we don't know enough about it to
make a decision. Be nice to save $8,000.

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You know what I'm saying? if we're going
to buy them anyway because we're only

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gonna get half of that. So, it' be about
$7,650 is what I saw. So, should we

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consider buying them rather than renting
them? You know,

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» the rental agreement was for six months.
You would have had to gone into it from

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the start with purchasing, but we signed
a six months rental agreement. All

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right.
>> How long you been?

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» Probably three months in, I'd say.
>> What do you What's your pro con? Still

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don't know. What do you think? Well,
I've I've had some conversations with

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some outside people who usually they're
opposed to that kind of stuff. They want

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to make a living with their own
application, but they've heard good

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things about it. So, they're even
>> I mean, what are you?

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» Well, we the algae itself seems to be
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clarifiers anymore.
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» Yeah.
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» Do we have to purchase more for
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» if it works out? We're going to need to
look into putting two on the oneb. Yes.

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» We've also even talked about potentially
putting fountains on each one

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» to keep

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control. So
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» typically you just put it around your
intake. Try to keep that area out as

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free as possible.

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» Thank you. Great. Any other questions?
>> Thank you.

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» All right. Once again, everybody Okay.
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» Okay. So, that will make uh life easier.
All of those things will be on the

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consent agenda and the only thing for
our regular agenda will be the slot

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cameras. Um,
we got about five minutes before we need

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to adjourn and for everybody to turn in
their cards and let everybody else come

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in before we start a regular meeting.
So, in that five minutes um

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today there was confirmation
that there is no more

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» license plate readers. license plate
readers per yeah the term is license

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plate readers
>> okay let's talk college

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» I understand that's any license plate
readers right

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» yeah so not just flock any brand it
cannot be used for license plate readers

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no more
>> that conference call today finally came

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because we when he and I met this
afternoon we still hadn't there was a

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statement made but there wasn't anything
official yet so that has become official

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um does anybody have anything they want
to say here at the table

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about this before we adjourn and go up.
Everybody will have an opportunity to

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speak. I'm I'm going let everybody out
here that came they took the time to

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come. We're going to love speak and then
when it comes time before we vote

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everybody all of y'all will have the
chance to speak as well if you would

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like. But is there anything you'd like
to five minutes I got sitting here?

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» Up to you.
>> I'm five minutes more. So I'll be

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Me too.
>> You You can defer. It's okay.

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» Okay. Anybody else at the table?
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» I just I just did like a I contacted
probably over 200 something people and

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did like my own little procon list. So,
I was going to go over that when we have

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our meeting.
>> That's fine. You'll have you will have

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time just like the the public will have
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All right. Uh if nothing else, we're
going to adjourn until 6:30. And those

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of you in the audience that want to
speak and have it turned in the card or

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gotten the blue card, please do so and
hand it to the lady back here in the

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» [laughter]
>> make me laugh. We get started. All

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right, it is 6:30. We will call our
meeting to order. We have a quorum and

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[clears throat] we are very thankful to
have our friend Jerry Freeman with us

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tonight. So, if everybody will stand,
we're going to open the invocation.

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[clears throat]

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» Let's pray.
Father, as we come to this place

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tonight, I know that there are things on
our minds and our hearts. Father,

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sometimes those things are very
personal. Uh friends who are ill,

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friends who are having surgery. Father,
we ask that in those instances that you

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will be at work in those situations.
Father, for those who are going through

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times of illness, times of surgery,
times of recuperation, recovery, we ask,

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Father, your hand upon them. Father, we
always have in mind our schools, our

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first responders, our teachers. We ask,
Father, your continued blessing upon

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these. We pray, Father, that these who
give so much of their lives, so much of

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themselves. We ask, Father, that you
will especially pour out your blessing

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upon them, Father, for this city
council. We pray for your wisdom. We ask

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father for you to to give guidance in a
way that is best for the entire

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community. Not just for not just for
personal uh personal whims or anything

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like that. Father, move them, direct
them to look at what is best for you,

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best for this entire community, for all
of us, Lord God. The issues, the

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struggles that we have, we lay before
you. We ask father for you to be at work

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in our lives through our lives as we
give ourselves fully and completely to

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you. Thank you for who you are for the
work that you're doing in each of us

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even now in Jesus name. Amen.

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algiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for all. You

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may be
>> seated.

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Roll call. Present
>> here.

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» Here

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» the city council invites citizens to
address the council in any matter

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including items on the agenda except
public hearings. We don't have any

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public hearings tonight, so I'm going to
skip that.

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Uh you the council is not permitted to
take any action or discuss any item that

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is not listed on our agenda. When you
speak, please state your name and

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address before beginning your comments.
Is there anybody here that has any

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comments not pertaining to the flock
camera? Okay, we will move on. Um the

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consent agenda, we have three items on
the consent agenda. We need to uh

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approve the minutes from July 29th, 2026
and August 18th, 2026. Approve the US

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Department of Transportation 2024 safe
streets for all grants the SF4A.

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Authorize the city manager to sign an
agreement.

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We need to approve the change order
number two for the water treatment

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planty yard piping increasing the cost
of the contract with bars from 6,109239

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to 6,352505
and 33 cents and approve the funding of

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two sonic pure pulsar ultrasonic
ultrasonic systems.

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» I make a motion that we approve the
consent agenda.

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» I second. All
>> in favor?

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» Any oppose? None.
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We are here tonight to take action
on authorizing the city manager to sign

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a
2627 motor vehicle crime prevention

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authority MVCA grant award letter
entering into a one-year agreement with

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Flock Safety to continue the city's
automated license plate reader. As I

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said in the beginning, there are no more
grant flows. So,

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um, take that into consideration. Since
everyone is here, I want everybody to

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have the opportunity to still speak.
Okay? You took the time to come.

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Everybody up here is going to get the
opportunity to say something. Y'all are

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all going to get the opportunity to say
something. I'll be as lenient as

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possible on your three minutes, but
let's respect the fact that we got a lot

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of people to talk and uh, and
everybody's got families that want to

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get home and we want to move on to
something else. So, um, be mindful.

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There are TV cameras in here. We've all
seen what happens. So, um,

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be as be as, uh, personal and as
as, uh, what what would I want to say

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there?
>> Be as passionate as you want to be.

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Okay?
>> Okay. Be as passionate as you want to

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be. You tell you tell what you want to
say. We're all here to listen and we're

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all here to be respectful. Okay? Just
like last time. All right. So, with

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that, I am going to uh I'm just going to
pull I'm I know who's going last. So, um

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is this Brent McCain?
>> Yes, sir.

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» You're You get to go first.
>> I've got some papers.

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» Feel free. Yes, sir.
>> Feel free.

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» All right.

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» All right. Good evening. My name is
Brent McCain. I reside in Brusseli.

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[clears throat] Um, I'm here about the
Flock camera. So, Flock cameras are not

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ordinary security cameras. They
photograph every passing vehicle. They

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read the plate, store where your car has
been, and a searchable database. No

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warrant, no suspicion required.
Across the Waco area, more than 40 of

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these cameras have gone up since 2024.
And this year, the state's plate reader

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network grew from about 120 agencies to
more than 200 in just 6 months.

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That is a map of where you are, your
family, and your neighbors go. It's

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built quietly and is kept. So, here's
why that should worry us. The only thing

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standing between legitimate police work
and personal stalking is a single text

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box where an officer types the reason.
Nationwide, the Washington Post has

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documented at least 50 cases of officers
caught using these cameras to track

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exartners and women they wanted to
follow.

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And this is not far away in Temple.
Recently, an officer was uh suspended

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and I I've heard he was fired and
there's a a Texas Ranger investigation.

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The audit worked that time, but only
after the search had already happened.

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Then there's the security. Independent
researchers took control of a flock

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camera in about 30 seconds.
Others found more than 60 flock cameras

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streaming live to the open internet with
no password at all. including footage of

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children

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at a playground. A flock does not even
require police to use basic two-step

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login or
u authentication

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and stolen flock passwords have shown up
for sale on foreign cyber crime forums.

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Two members of Congress have asked the
Federal Trade Commission to investigate.

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Now, and then Texas DPS found that Flock
itself broke the law, operating in the

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state for years without the private
license Texas requires, [clears throat]

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and the company was fined for it.
Evidence gathered while they were

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unlicensed, may not even be held up in
court.

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So, I'm asking this council to do the
right thing. do not adopt or renew the

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flock contract.
Require a warrant or a document

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documented case number for every single
search with mandatory monthly audits and

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demand a short data retention limit with
no sharing to federal or out of state

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agencies. Dozens of cities have already
cancelled.

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We think uh we should think hard before
we trust this system with our neighbors

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movements. Thank you very much.

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RJ.

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All right. [clears throat] Good evening.
I'm R.J. Pace. I live at 3200 Sherco

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Road, which is in Waco. But let me make
one thing clear. As a side hustle,

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because who doesn't have one these days
in this economy? I do food deliveries.

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So, Robinson res residents love their
food, too. So, I'm subject to drive in

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this town. Also, let's be clear. Some
things you do as a council does not just

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magically affect Robinson residents
only. It affects anyone who passes

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through, whether it's once or times,
like in my case. If you recall, I spoke

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in front of you a few weeks ago. I know
you remember, right? Of course. Here's a

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quick refresher since the meeting wasn't
recorded. Correlation does not imply

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causation. Decrease in crime doesn't
mean it was caused by the increase in

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camera usage. There was the article I
pointed out about using cameras to cut

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catch trucks using roads that weren't
supposed to they weren't supposed to be

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on aka the textbook definition of
mission creep. You start with the

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intended purpose and then expand to what
should be just regular police work.

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We've seen the abuse and like this
gentleman before me said, it's already

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coming out of Temple with an officer
resigning. It's getting closer and

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closer to this area. That's the slippery
slope we must be careful to avoid. Spike

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Cohen said this on Facebook, and I
agree. Almost everyone is against flock

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now. But if we don't abolish them soon,
in a few years, most people won't care.

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Generation later, they'll think we'd
have total chaos without them. So, the

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time to end them is now. Tonight, you
have a very important decision to make

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that that affects ah you have an
important decision to make that affects

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Robinson residents and those of us in
the greater Waco area who traverse your

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roads. I believe you see the right way
to move about this. To those of you who

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are here that are our Robinson
residents, more importantly voters,

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watch their vote tonight. I strongly
encourage that if any of you decide to

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uh continue infringing on our privacy
rights, get your name on the ballot and

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challenge them because at the end of the
day, the council doesn't work for

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police, city manager, or any staff. They
work for the people.

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» You said to be respectful. I already had
this typed up. [laughter]

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» I end by saying this.
>> You go whatever you want. If you decide

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to move forward with this contract, you
should hang your heads in shame with

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your tails tucked between your legs.
Remember who you represent. Think of

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them and outsiders like me. Thank you.
God bless.

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» Thank you.
>> Uh next is uh Amanda Murphy.

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» Hello.
My name is Amanda Murphy. I live at 1220

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Ker Park. And I'm not here to convince
you guys today anything about Flock. Um

420
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:56,480
I've already emailed you each
individually. I'm here to talk to the

421
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,599
people of our town that are interested
in getting rid of Flock. Um we have

422
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:06,000
created a petition, a group of citizens
and myself. If you are interested in

423
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,760
creating an ordinance to get Flock and
other ALPRs because other ones are

424
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:13,680
coming up behind them like Axen, I'm
sure you guys all heard of them. Let's

425
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:18,160
stop it now in its tracks. We need 800
signatures. You have friends that want

426
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:22,520
to sign. We want that signature.
That's it.

427
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,520
» Thank you,

428
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,915
» Ben. I'm not gonna try your last name.
[laughter]

429
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:39,520
» Everyone, I'm I'm Ben Dembbach. I live
at 222 Catler Drive. Um, some of you may

430
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:44,800
have seen the email I sent earlier. Um,
so I just wanted to put that on the

431
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:48,160
record. Um, and so at the last meeting,
um, a couple members of the council had

432
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:53,359
some um said something to the effect
that, you know, I have nothing to hide.

433
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,400
Um and I wanted to point out that um
privacy is not about what you have to

434
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,400
hide. It's about the information that
other people can use for and against

435
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:04,160
you. Um everyone creates valuable
information based on where they go, who

436
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:07,920
they're with, their lifestyle, health
choices, political, religious

437
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:12,640
affiliation, and countless other topics
every day. Um, every piece of

438
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:16,400
information uh in isolation may seem
harmless, but modern technology can

439
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:19,839
process thousands of data points and
then build a profile to allow outside

440
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:24,800
forces to try and influence and control
your life for their own gain. Um,

441
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:29,280
of course, there are many devices we use
every day that uh probably infringe on

442
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:33,200
our lights on our rights a lot more than
you would would get with these license

443
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:36,960
plate reading cameras. Um, and those are
bad, but just because one thing is bad

444
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,960
doesn't mean we should allow another
abuse to pile on top of that. Um, I

445
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,040
appreciate the information that was
provided last week by the the local

446
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,240
police force and how trustworthy they
trustworthy they have been in

447
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,920
[clears throat] using the system so far
and it doesn't seem like we've had any

448
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:55,440
abuses like have been in reported in
other places. But I worry that it's just

449
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,359
a matter of time before there is a
breach. Um, even the most morally

450
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:04,160
upstanding person can have a bad day,
make mistakes, and give into temptation.

451
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:07,920
Uh the flack system is materially
different from an officer with probable

452
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:12,800
cause and a warrant. Um you know
following a suspect and documenting

453
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:17,680
their activities. It's active 247 365
watching everyone indiscriminately.

454
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:21,599
Uh in our system we treat everyone as
innocent until proven guilty. But this

455
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:25,200
system uh effectively treats us all as
guilty and it's just a matter of finding

456
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,640
the right keyword to to prove that
someone has made a violation about

457
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,920
something.
Uh, I want to remind everyone that laws

458
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,040
are constantly changing and what is
lawful today could always change

459
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,000
tomorrow and the trustworthy people we
have with access to these tools today

460
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:42,079
may not be the same ones that have
access tomorrow. And for these reasons,

461
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:45,680
I believe that it is uh not in our best
interest to continue using the system.

462
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:50,359
Um, and I hope you'll take that in
consideration. Thank you.

463
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,359
» Thank you.

464
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:55,240
» Brent Dodie.

465
00:45:56,926 --> 00:46:03,440
» [clears throat]
>> OD my home is a 620 PTO Park.

466
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:08,400
Um the use of automated license plate
readers needs to end at some point.

467
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:12,400
We've got to respect the privacy of the
law-abiding citizen.

468
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:18,800
Government surveillance has to have
limits. Now I realize some may say that

469
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:22,800
on occasion use of the system may help
apprehend a criminal,

470
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,000
but quite frankly that's inadequate
justification.

471
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,480
If we're going to use that as
justification,

472
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:36,240
we'll have to take it a step further.
Why not just put a tracking device in

473
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:40,160
every vehicle, monitor everybody 247?
That would be even better for

474
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:46,880
apprehending criminals.
Even better, tracking device in every

475
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:50,160
person. That'd really be good for
some are going to say, "Oh, that's

476
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:53,920
ridiculous.
That that's too far out. That won't

477
00:46:52,079 --> 00:47:00,160
happen." Well, folks, I'm here to tell
you, it wasn't that long ago

478
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:04,800
that the use of an AOPR
was considered outlandish

479
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:11,200
and would never happen.
We're on a slippery slope.

480
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:15,839
We need to respect people's privacy
and we need to do the right thing,

481
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:21,280
follow Governor Abbott's lead, and turn
back. So, and if I could, Greg, I'd like

482
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,839
to break with standard protocol for just
a second. Sure.

483
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:30,000
» I'd like to offer up a compliment
instead of a complaint. Um I intended to

484
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:33,599
to do this at the budget last budget
meeting. I had to leave after the

485
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:36,000
workshop. Couldn't do it. Craig, I
thought you did a fine job with budget.

486
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,560
» Thank you.
>> It's well done. So, thank you for your

487
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:41,720
time.
>> Thank you.

488
00:47:41,727 --> 00:47:44,920
[clears throat]
>> Uh

489
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:52,079
thank you. I put the card in. I sure
will be here.

490
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,359
Yes, ma'am.
before you leave.

491
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,520
» Fill that out.
>> Got it.

492
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,560
» So, she does it until I get the stop. I
need to stay on her good side.

493
00:47:59,413 --> 00:48:02,240
[laughter]
>> She's over there checking

494
00:48:01,378 --> 00:48:08,240
[clears throat] all the boxes.
>> I got you. Uh, my name is Cody Filler. I

495
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:11,359
live at 1688 West Tate. Um, I'm involved
in cyber security. That's what I do.

496
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:16,160
It's what I study. It's what I care
about. Uh, and while I'm aware that, and

497
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,839
forgive me because I only found out
about this meeting about 15 minutes ago,

498
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,920
so I'm really not that prepared. Uh
while I'm aware that most people don't

499
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:28,640
have uh much of an in-depth knowledge of
cyber security, it's something that

500
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:32,880
affects all of us. Um flot cameras are
something that really infringe not only

501
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:36,880
on our privacy but our ability to stay
safe. I have a daughter that's about to

502
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:42,160
turn 15 and here in a few months she'll
be driving. And I'm worried that when

503
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:45,920
she gets on the road, [clears throat] as
many problems as we we've had with

504
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,040
officers all across the state abusing
these cameras, I'm not going to feel

505
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:53,280
safe getting her a license, getting her
a car, letting her drive around.

506
00:48:51,813 --> 00:48:58,720
[clears throat]
Aside from that, Benjamin Franklin said

507
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:02,920
those that would trade liberty
for safety deserve neither.

508
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:10,240
Now, Sha Tree versus United States, the
court determined that even short-term

509
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:17,760
surveillance counts as a search,
violating our rights to uh warrantless

510
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:21,760
searches and seizures.
Meaning that even brief flock inquiries

511
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:26,240
should legally require a warrant.
However, as we all know right now, any

512
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,640
officer can enter anything into a query
with any justification, even if it's a

513
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:36,800
comma or a period, and get back any
number of results. Carpenter v. United

514
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:41,520
States says the police cannot bypass
warrant requirements simply by pulling

515
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:46,079
historical data from third-party
corporate databases. In this case,

516
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:51,359
that's Flock. as a thirdparty corporate
database that even if we discontinue the

517
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:55,280
use of flock today,
they are still giving our personal

518
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:59,040
information to thirdparty organizations
such as insurance companies, HOAs,

519
00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:05,040
outofstate organizations, and police
departments. We saw this happen in

520
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:10,960
Flugerville. 1.6 million queries in I
believe it was a 30-day period.

521
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:15,200
» Griswall v. Connecticut establishes that
the Ninth Amendment grants us the right

522
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:18,400
to privacy. That's been something a lot
of people have argued about lately

523
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:23,079
because nowhere in the Constitution of
the Bill of Rights does it use the word

524
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:23,079
privacy.

525
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:29,680
However, this court case established
that we do have the right to privacy

526
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:34,599
even though it is not specifically
enumerated in the other constitutional

527
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,599
amendments.

528
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,559
Flock kind of violates that right,
doesn't it?

529
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:51,920
On to vulnerabilities.
This year, Flock was found to have five

530
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:56,400
of the OWASP top 10 critical
vulnerabilities. For those of you that

531
00:50:53,760 --> 00:51:00,720
don't know, I'm assuming as most of you,
OWASP is the world's authority on the

532
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:04,960
most critical vulnerabilities in cyber
security that we have right now. And

533
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:08,400
Flot cameras found to have five of them
among 50 other critical security

534
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:12,319
vulnerabilities.
These include hard-coded Java keycore

535
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:16,240
passwords,
devices that ship without secure boot

536
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:20,000
mode,
DIP switches that enter device in a

537
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:24,800
local diagnostic mode which is not
password protected,

538
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:30,240
diagnostic mode that provides root
access to back-end servers where anybody

539
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:35,040
with the knowhow and about five minutes
and $20 worth of hardware can get access

540
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:42,240
to any data that Fog has on those
servers.

541
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:47,040
Custom firmware can be easily installed
through open USB 3.0 ports in the back

542
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:51,800
of the hardware. And you can see those
if you look close enough just driving

543
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:51,800
down tape.

544
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:59,520
Devices that are running outdated
nonupdated Linux kernels.

545
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:03,040
PECAP catchers that are unencrypted.
This is wireless traffic going through

546
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:06,559
the air that is captured and it's
unencrypted.

547
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:15,119
Anybody [clears throat]
can remote can uh execute remote code or

548
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:19,680
DOS attacks on any of these devices. Um
and most of these devices have been

549
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,040
found to be included in specialized IoT
search engines. Uh these are search

550
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:27,520
engines that specifically look for
devices such as your cell phone, uh your

551
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:31,680
fridge if you have a smart fridge. Uh
that can be found on search engines and

552
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,760
uh in some cases such as the Flock
cameras, you can actually view that live

553
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:42,160
feed even though Flock tells us that
it's still images only. Um multiple

554
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:46,720
whistleblowers at Flock have came
forward and said, "Nope, that's not

555
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:51,440
true. We have live feeds. We can access
them. Uh other people can access them."

556
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:55,040
So, we know
every bit of this is open on the

557
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:58,800
internet. Anybody can get a hold of it,
not just the police department. And I

558
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:03,440
I'd like to say that the police
department is least of our worries, but

559
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:08,240
I doubt it. [clears throat]
I would hope that with all the

560
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:11,760
information and as much public push back
as the council has gotten on this topic,

561
00:53:10,541 --> 00:53:15,280
[clears throat]
um

562
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:20,079
that the council would vote to end the
contract, not not renew the contract

563
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:26,079
with Flock. Uh that is best case
scenario. Um if that's not what happens,

564
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,880
like Miss Murphy said, there's a couple
of us walking around with these blue

565
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:34,160
folders and we're willing to take
signatures and we're still going to

566
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:37,880
regardless of how you vote. So that's
all I've got to say.

567
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:45,599
» Okay. Is there anybody in the room? Is
there anybody in the room that did not

568
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,040
fill out a card that decided they want
to speak before I called on the last

569
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:52,599
person? [clears throat]
>> All right, Rick here.

570
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:59,040
My name is Rick Ming. I live at 61 Lux
Drive here in Robinson.

571
00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:02,960
Gentlemen, y'all know my position on
this. Okay, I'm not we're not going to

572
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:08,800
reiterate what we talked about the other
day. The only thing I do want I do want

573
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:13,359
to make known is that I think an
ordinance

574
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:18,880
concerning LPR or any kind of data
tracking um needs to have an ordinance

575
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:26,240
put in place here in Robinson before we
go with another LPR or any kind of any

576
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:31,760
kind of of community data that's that's
picked up here. So that's all I got.

577
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:34,800
Okay. I'm looking out for what's best
for Robinson. I don't care about it. I

578
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,559
don't care about Temple. I don't care
about about Waco. Okay. They're our

579
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:43,040
neighbors. They need to they need to
tend to their own fence.

580
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:47,440
» Thank you.
>> Okay. Um

581
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:52,800
at this time, I'm going to give all the
council members a opportunity to speak.

582
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:57,599
And uh since I have the gavl, I'm going
to go last. And uh for no other reason

583
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,800
than there's only two of y'all and
there's a bunch of them, I'm gonna start

584
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:03,599
left
>> and we're go that way. Okay. So, Finn,

585
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,000
you're up.
>> I'm gonna stand up. Conserve leadership.

586
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:13,599
Okay. Hello, my name is Donnie Finn,
play six. Uh, you know that the home

587
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:19,119
plate readers are a big concern and you
know was a big concern. We have ALC,

588
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:22,640
Bernie Sanders, Ron Sades, Desantes, and
Abbott all on the same side. They all

589
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:26,160
agree on it. So, you know, that's a big
thing. I decided to do some

590
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:31,040
collaborative work on my own concerning
this topic of my vote coming of using a

591
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:34,240
tool I've used when making decisions
that affect [clears throat] my

592
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,920
constituents and stakeholders of our
fine town.

593
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:40,960
I I use this a lot when I was a high
school principal and assistant

594
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:45,760
superintendent and I made a procon list.
So I called over 200 some people and I

595
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:50,480
gave them the questions. I did procon
list. I asked several Robinson residents

596
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:56,079
about their opinion of the license plate
readers. I asked, "Do you want Robson to

597
00:55:53,440 --> 00:56:00,319
keep these license plate readers?" Two,
give me a reasoning for this choice. And

598
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:04,559
three, share a real life personal
example of how it affected you or

599
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:09,119
someone you know. So you can all the
stuff you read online, you know, there's

600
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:13,520
first I'm going to do the cons first.
First, the cons. Almost everyone

601
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:17,280
mentioned evasion of privacy. There are
zero examples of how it personally

602
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:22,000
affected them or someone they know.
Every example is from a news feed or

603
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:28,000
hairsafe from places like Atlanta, Ohio,
Flugerville, Florida, New Jersey, and

604
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:32,400
Arizona. The topic AI and license plate
readers are flaw cameras was even a

605
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:37,680
front page story on the USA Today,
Dallas Morning News, Austin American

606
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:41,920
Statesmen yesterday, and today the front
page of the Waco Trib, and even this

607
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,760
morning on today's show on NBC. My wife
watches that every morning. They had a

608
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:49,839
thing on there about flockers.
Some people have concerns that the

609
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:54,240
police department would misuse those
cameras and so information to others

610
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:58,480
that was agreed to when the cameras and
agreements were signed. I feel these

611
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:02,960
views are based on new fees and what is
happening other places across the

612
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:09,200
country. First, I want to say I have a
100% confidence in our chief of police

613
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:13,760
Adams and uh Lieutenant Chief Graves
that the entire police department and

614
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:17,839
believe this nonsense. this it's a no
issue and shame on those that would even

615
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:21,599
try to compare our department with
anybody else in this country. So that's

616
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:27,119
that's that kind of got me riled up a
little bit. Now the pros most people did

617
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:31,440
not care that they were they were there
and basically said it was just a sign of

618
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:35,839
the times and we're being watched
everywhere we go anyway. Some mention

619
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:40,480
whatever Robson can do to make our town
safer and that catching the bad guys is

620
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:44,400
good. I received some personal
experiences for pros. I had three people

621
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:49,280
that had actual experiences how these
help. One person mentioned that someone

622
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:52,880
took out a row of mailboxes on a busy
highway and the Robinson Police

623
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:56,799
Department used these license plate
readers to track down the person, gave

624
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:02,079
them a ticket, and they made resolution
for the damage, restitution for the

625
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:07,440
damage. Another said that these cameras
here help track down a relative with a

626
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:11,520
silver alert distinction. In addition,
one person said their spouse works in a

627
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:15,200
law enforcement near our town and that
the cameras here locate a person trying

628
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:19,760
to evade arrest from a crime that was
committed out of town. So, that was my

629
00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:24,720
thing I was going to do last week. I got
to add something. Now, another twist was

630
00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:28,240
presented this week with Governor Abbott
when he stopped all grant funding for

631
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:32,319
these campus.
And that I that doesn't mean I'm going

632
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:36,319
to do yay or nay anyway, but this is
surely a game changer and I'm sure for

633
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:41,040
all towns across the state. So if you
look across the state, everybody's I

634
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:47,280
think Woodway did yesterday, right? I
think Woodway did yesterday. And so that

635
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:52,079
is a very uh slippery slope like you
said and I agree and we'll see uh what

636
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,720
happens on the vote. Thank you so much
and have a great day.

637
00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:05,839
» All right. I'd like to thank everybody
for coming and uh voicing your opinion.

638
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:15,200
It's always good uh to have our citizens
uh input. Um my position from a week ago

639
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:20,720
hasn't really changed. Um I was not in
favor of these last week and I'm not in

640
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:27,040
favor of them now. This has been a issue
that has been discussed in many circles

641
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:30,720
that I'm a part of for a considerable
amount of time. As a matter of fact,

642
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:37,119
when I was at the Republican state
convention, it ended up being the number

643
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:43,760
10 legislative priority. So, we're not
unique in this uh area to being um

644
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:48,640
concerned about these issues. One of the
things I mean

645
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:56,160
uh I'd also like to reiterate I do think
if uh if the if you were going to have

646
00:59:51,520 --> 01:00:00,160
these things and trust a particular uh
police department with them, our police

647
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:04,559
department would be the one to do that.
I think uh the chief runs a very tight

648
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:10,960
ship. I think we're small enough that
that those things uh we can avoid and a

649
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:16,240
lot of the issues that we've seen
elsewhere. Uh but that doesn't mean we

650
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:22,400
should do it. Um
it is a very useful tool. You have to

651
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:28,000
admit that for law enforcement,
but freedom's hard and it cost you

652
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:34,160
things and it's going to cost us a
little bit of safety to have the freedom

653
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:39,876
of not having these things tracking our
every movement. And so for me, I vote

654
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,896
for freedom.
[clears throat]

655
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:48,880
So, I'm probably not going to be as
elaborate as as these two down here. And

656
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:54,720
I know Jim's got something prepared,
too. So, I'm going to be the the easy

657
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:58,640
guy here. Listen, a year ago, we we had
the opportunity to utilize a grant,

658
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:02,960
right? So, what that means for us is
City of Robinson, not much money coming

659
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:06,880
out of our pockets. The whole purpose
and the intent was to help our police

660
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:10,720
department and help watch our citizens
and keep them safe and protective.

661
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:15,200
Throughout the year, there's a lot of
been a lot of uh things come up,

662
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:19,440
especially here recently, even over just
the last two weeks, just in the last

663
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:24,720
week from when everyone came to speak to
us before

664
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:28,640
grant or funding has been pulled. Um
more information coming out about rules,

665
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:33,520
regulations, you know, how the industry
is being regulated.

666
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:39,839
So all of that's new information. So
that that changes the whole atmosphere

667
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:43,359
and perspective of not only the flock. I
know we keep saying flock, but but we

668
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:46,240
have to look at everything across the
board. To your point, looking at

669
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:51,040
ordinances, if we went with something
other than flock, um it's still

670
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:56,160
something we need to look at. But one
comment I do want to make um last week

671
01:01:53,520 --> 01:02:01,119
and I can't say pervatum
verbatim what was said or who said it.

672
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:05,680
Um but there was a comment about why
would we make things easier for our

673
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:11,040
police force and I thought that was kind
of silly. If you look at construction

674
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:14,880
workers today we use uh nail guns
instead of just hammers when

675
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:22,559
appropriate. We use power tools when
appropriate. Why for why force someone

676
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:25,839
to use tools or outdated um equipment um
if we have better means? And that's what

677
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:31,119
we need for our police officers to
continue uh to help continue uh making

678
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:37,280
our community safe and watching our
citizens. Um as these things come come

679
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:40,799
available. Um it is our job and due
diligence to ensure that we are

680
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:45,119
respecting both police department and
our citizens. Um so thank you for coming

681
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:48,640
out voicing your opinion. We do sit up
here and we do represent you as a

682
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:54,000
community. That is our job. We have to
per put personal beliefs aside. So, I

683
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:58,079
appreciate it.
>> Keep it short and sweet.

684
01:02:55,119 --> 01:03:05,119
» Thank you, Mr. M.
>> I understand

685
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:10,720
all of your feelings in this subject,
but I haven't heard

686
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:16,079
enough from the other side. This is what
they call an implied consent. If you

687
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:22,160
don't complain, you agree with what we
have in place. That's what bothers me a

688
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:27,520
little bit. We as a council
are responsible to provide safety for

689
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:31,920
the citizens, whether it be an upgraded
and efficient fire department or an

690
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:37,760
upgraded and efficient police
department. And we are responsible for

691
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:42,880
providing them the tools that they need
to get the job done to protect you, all

692
01:03:40,660 --> 01:03:48,079
[clears throat] of you out there. A year
ago, we were given the opportunity to

693
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:53,440
purchase the flock system. At that point
in time, the issues that are presented

694
01:03:50,880 --> 01:04:00,799
now weren't there.
I understand the uproar nationwide of

695
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:06,079
why this system isn't the best it could
be, probably never will be. There may be

696
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:11,839
systems out there that are better.
That's down the line. At this point in

697
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:16,799
time, I have issues with the flock
system, and I understand where you're

698
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:22,000
all coming from, but just let me be
clear. There's a whole other group of

699
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:27,520
people who haven't said a word. They may
agree with having the flock system here.

700
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:32,240
That implied consent means an awful lot
to us. We have 50 people here, but

701
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:36,799
there's how many out thousands out there
that aren't coming here to save one way

702
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:42,400
or the other. You may not like my
opinion, but it's my opinion. And this

703
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:48,319
is why I agree with them. I agree with
you. My vote is probably against the

704
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:53,359
flock system because it's not what we
need, but we may need something better.

705
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:56,960
Thank you.
>> Ready or not, [clears throat] it's

706
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:01,200
Charles. [laughter]
>> Thank you for that vote of confidence,

707
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:04,799
Greg. Very grateful.
>> I do love you, man. You have two timers

708
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,319
for Charlie. [clears throat]
>> Just kidding.

709
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,200
» I'm probably going to take the least
time from anybody.

710
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:15,039
» We love you, Charlie.
>> Thank you as well. I I I love the

711
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:20,799
chemistry that we have in this in this
council. We have a bunch of people that

712
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:26,240
love uh this city.
They love each other. They want to see

713
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:28,960
the best outcome for our city. None of
us up here get paid. [clears throat] I

714
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:32,480
don't know. There's this misconception
that we're somehow going to make money

715
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:38,640
by making decisions or whatever. This
isn't big government, you know, just,

716
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:44,880
you know, we are a democratic republic
in that we don't vote on everything. We

717
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:48,960
elect people to represent us. It's a
representative government, right? I said

718
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:53,359
that last time. I'll say it again. And
so, your vote does count. How many times

719
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:58,640
have you seen where 10 votes is all it
took? Or one vote people were one thing

720
01:05:56,319 --> 01:06:05,280
passed or didn't for very few votes. So,
whatever you do, please vote. Please

721
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:09,440
show up. Thank you for showing up most
of the time. And you've some people

722
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:15,280
complain that we said it, but it's true.
99% of the time it's us and that's it.

723
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:20,720
So, to see you guys come up, ladies and
gentlemen, come up and be passionate

724
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:25,760
about what you believe is a refreshing
uh it's refreshing to me because that's

725
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:31,039
what we need in our society. We have too
much voter apathy, no voter turnout.

726
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:36,240
Sometimes people are elected with 10 or
20% of the votes. So, please do your

727
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:39,599
survey. And Donnie, you mentioned you
did your own survey of 200 people. And I

728
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:42,960
think what you said was that the
majority of your the people you surveyed

729
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:48,400
said they didn't have a problem with it.
Is that right? And three actual people

730
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:52,000
that did have outcomes which were better
because of the fly cameras. Let me tell

731
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:54,799
you, and I won't go into details. I did
last week. You want to see it? By the

732
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:59,039
way, somebody commented earlier. It
wasn't recorded last time. It's recorded

733
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:02,799
every time.
You can see it on YouTube. You see this

734
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:06,319
meeting on YouTube. Everything is
recorded.

735
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:11,839
Three more no more than three of us talk
at a time or it's considered a quorum.

736
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:17,359
So, we don't sit here and just, you
know,

737
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:23,680
try to come up to some kind of agreement
about how we feel. seven individual

738
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:29,520
people that have one vote. And our goal,
my goal, and I'll say it again, my

739
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:33,520
brother Ricky, 46 years, you know, I've
been in this city. I have one goal and

740
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:37,680
one reason for being here, and that's to
help our city be better. So, with that

741
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:42,880
said, let me say to you that we've had
absolutely nothing but the best

742
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:47,119
cooperation from our our police chief,
assistant chief, and our policeman. In

743
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:52,079
fact, I felt absolutely no pressure
whatsoever when all this was introduced

744
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:57,680
a year ago. It was introduced as a
crimerevention uh tool. It was not sold

745
01:07:55,200 --> 01:08:03,440
by them, but sold by the people that
were saying, "Hey, you can have this

746
01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:07,200
free crime prevention, you know, and it
has if you if you live were here last

747
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:13,280
week, if you weren't, just watch it."
But Chief Adams gave statistics, real

748
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:18,719
statistics for our area of how crime has
gone down considerably. In my family, I

749
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:23,520
had a situation where the person that
was harassing one of my family members

750
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:28,080
from out of town was actually caught
because of the camera because swarming

751
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,600
down they weren't doing it. These things
were happening. They were caught

752
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:36,319
primarily because of that and they were
prosecuted because of it. So I per I

753
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:42,159
have personal experience knowing that
these things can can benefit us. But I

754
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:49,040
share your concern. I read the book 1984
and 1972 in in high school. George

755
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:55,679
Orwell I know all about that. I dread I
dreaded this all my life. I don't like

756
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:59,040
unnecessary intrusion into our lives.
How do we balance this? I don't know.

757
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:04,480
But I think at this point in time it's
not balanced. We don't have enough uh

758
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:08,960
accountability by the people that
control the data that they're

759
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:13,120
accumulating. We we're already seeing,
you know, the results. So, as

760
01:09:10,782 --> 01:09:19,920
[clears throat] for me, I hope that
there's a point in time that we can come

761
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:24,880
uh to the place where these type tools
can be utilized without uh invading our

762
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:28,080
privacy. And that's what I have to say
to you.

763
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:30,960
» Thank you, Mr. [clears throat] Rogers.
>> All right. Well, since I'm going second

764
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:35,440
to last, I won't need five minutes
because I don't intend to re uh

765
01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:38,960
» you points that have already taken, you
know, we already spoke. So, uh jumping

766
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:43,839
in the deep end of the pool. I don't
support this contract going forward. Um

767
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:47,759
for some very,
um obvious reasons that were spoken

768
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:51,520
today, uh I want to first thank
everybody for speaking today, last week,

769
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:58,560
every phone call I got, every text,
email, Facebook message, all of that

770
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:02,320
goes into shaping decisions. I'm pro law
enforcement, so I believe in tools that

771
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:07,440
help us keep our communities safe. No
doubt about it. Um, and I do believe

772
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:13,199
that license plate reader cameras are
beneficial. Um, I do not like what I've

773
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:19,760
learned about Flock uh since probably
the last month. Um, it's the data, what

774
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:23,679
happens to the data after our department
has used it, what's going on there, that

775
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:29,120
concerns me greatly. If it were just our
department using the data, I would fight

776
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:33,679
much stronger for this technology. Um,
but chief also uh in a conversation with

777
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:38,800
him u
stated to me that before last week's

778
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:42,880
meeting, he was already in favor of
stopping the contract. So, that made it

779
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:47,920
really easy for me because, you know, I
look to him for guidance on things that

780
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:52,880
need uh for him to use in our community.
Um, this is not a hill for the city to

781
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:57,679
die on. I think that's pretty
Uh but this conversation did kind of

782
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:04,159
stir up a broader conversation whether
flock has violated civil rights. Uh what

783
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:08,560
is privacy mean? Mr. Snder made a
wonderful point last week about the

784
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:13,280
different varying degrees of privacy. We
hear some of the most strictest

785
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:18,640
versions of that that uh any
surveillance tool camera is in violation

786
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:23,120
of their the the right of privacy all
the way down to the least. I think about

787
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:27,440
the youth in our nation who will film
every minute of their their life and

788
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:32,560
post that on social media in a hurry.
They're doing that for likes, comments,

789
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:36,000
views, and when they don't get that, it
kind of bums them out. It brings them

790
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:41,280
down a little bit. Those people value
privacy very low. So, we have this

791
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:44,719
varying degree of privacy between each
individual. If I asked everyone to write

792
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:49,199
down what privacy meant to you, I
promise you we'd have a whole bunch of

793
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:52,719
different different versions of that.
Then there's this interpretation of what

794
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:58,080
our constitution says and I've heard a
lot of people state what they believe

795
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:02,800
the constitution says. Um I always look
I believe in the constitution so I'm

796
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:06,960
always going to look to what uh um it
says but also what our supreme court has

797
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:11,679
said about it and it's not favorable in
terms of right to privacy and I've heard

798
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:16,320
some a lot of good points. Um I think
it's a shame that our constitution

799
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:20,880
doesn't mention privacy. We can we can
quibble over uh whether liberty or

800
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:24,640
privacy what what those words really
mean. But I do think it's a question

801
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:29,440
that needs to be asked and answered.
That's not for this body to do. It's not

802
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:34,000
for the city council to do. Um I think
that's uh something for Congress uh to

803
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:39,600
enact the 28th amendment that really
defines what privacy means. Set that bar

804
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:42,719
real high. I'm okay with that. Uh talked
about the differences levels in

805
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:46,640
everybody's privacy. This conversation
made me go back and think about what's

806
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:51,920
my personal level of prophecy. I would
have told you before is high. I would

807
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:55,840
tell you my actions say something
different. and and I got to thinking of

808
01:12:54,159 --> 01:13:00,560
all the different ways it's been brought
up that the end user license agreements,

809
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:04,480
terms of services that all of the smart
devices you've ever had, including your

810
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:10,719
TV, your thermostat control, your
vehicle phones, all of those, Microsoft,

811
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:16,320
Google, your Amazon account, eBay
account, all of these things are

812
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:21,280
collecting data about you. And I clicked
the yes, I I I agree every time. And

813
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:26,080
here's here's a really
bad how low my view is of privacy

814
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,520
because I don't even read the terms of
service when they update it anymore. I

815
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:33,760
just clicked that button and I would
have told you I thought I had a really

816
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:37,360
high view of privacy. So, uh, and I
think a lot of us are in that boat. Had

817
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:40,719
a lot of conversations this week. Uh,
the issue of privacy isn't for the

818
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:44,880
Robinson City Council to determine.
Whether flock violated privacy rights

819
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:49,360
isn't for Robinson City Council
determined. I think Flock is uh do its

820
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:54,159
due process. It needs its day in court
to defend its action and what it's doing

821
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:59,760
with data. Uh I think our Congress needs
to act and create a 28th amendment that

822
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:04,640
sets this bar for the the future
technologies that are coming because

823
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:07,920
this is Amanda. You I'm sorry, Amanda.
Right. You said it. There's more than

824
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:11,760
this coming, right? There's already
other options out there. Some that don't

825
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:17,199
share the data. I like that option
better. But what's the next tool um for

826
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:22,320
law enforcement? what's this digital
world mean? And and and we got AI

827
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:26,719
debates going. We got data center
debates going. If we live in a new world

828
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:32,159
and data is big, we need to clearly
define that what privacy means. There

829
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:37,920
are over 40 different acts that Congress
has enacted that speak specifically to

830
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:42,320
privacy. But every one of those are
specific sectors, healthc care,

831
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:46,960
communications,
um, all kinds, but none of them address

832
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:52,960
it in the broad scope that we've talked
about tonight. Um, we see snippets of it

833
01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:56,640
in certain amendments, but we're still
arguing about it. It's still not as

834
01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:01,520
clear. We're still having this
conversation 250 years later. Actually,

835
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:04,880
235
years later, because the Bill of Rights

836
01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:09,360
didn't exist when the country was
founded. So, long story short, this

837
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:16,000
conversation needs to continue. Uh, this
is not a city of Robinson

838
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:19,679
issue. It's a nation issue. Uh, and it's
not something this council can fix. I I

839
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:24,560
just want to say thank you'all again for
coming out speaking. If everybody that

840
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:29,520
came here last week, I I hope y'all saw
how government works in real time

841
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:34,320
because this council listened. We've
gone and had multiple conversations

842
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:38,320
after uh everybody left. We reconvened
to to now cast a vote on what we're

843
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:43,120
going to do on this and your input
mattered. Um,

844
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:48,239
we talked about how there's some apathy
and little disillusion. I get it. I've

845
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:52,239
been there, too. Um, but I hope last
week and this week and this conversation

846
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:56,320
that we're having now restores a little
bit of your trust in your government,

847
01:15:54,080 --> 01:16:01,520
your local government, but also this is
how it's designed to work. you know, a

848
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:05,760
decision to start uh an ordinance or or
some other form of guard rails for this

849
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:11,199
type of technology. That's that's
government at its best. And it takes you

850
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:15,199
that we the people is is you. It's it's
all of us as individuals, but it's you.

851
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:20,159
So, please continue exercising that.
Don't let these rooms sit empty. I mean,

852
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:24,960
everybody up here, as far as I can tell,
wants to hear you. So,

853
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:30,800
» be involved in every issue. We'll have a
better city, a better government. Be

854
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:34,320
involved. Don't be apathetic.
>> I lied. I'm sorry. One last

855
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:39,199
» I wouldn't be the longest.
>> One one last thing. So So we have this,

856
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:45,440
you know, I've heard quotes from from
founding fathers. I've heard um statutes

857
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:50,480
quoted, uh amendments quoted, Supreme
Court rulings. Um and we have these

858
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:54,880
misinterpretations. Our own
understandings aren't as strong as they

859
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:57,520
need to be. Uh so my recommendation
there's a book series called the

860
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:02,960
foundations of freedom. It's a
collection of all the major uh writings

861
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:06,400
u on how our government was founded. It
should be in everybody's house. Reading

862
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:10,239
the constitution the bill of rights
should be something that we should be

863
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:14,640
able to quote. We we speak and we defend
for our rights. But can everybody in the

864
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:20,320
room quote fourth amendment? Probably
not. I'm guilty of a lot of that. So I'm

865
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:25,440
preaching all right. So let's be
educated on what the words and the

866
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:29,920
documents actually say and you know
let's let's have honest conversation

867
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:33,679
about uh how it applies and if we want
to change it if we want to set a higher

868
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:38,159
standard there's a process let's follow
it

869
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:42,480
» civil political discourse
that's what our country has to have

870
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:46,480
civil political discourse and that's
what this is what you did that's what

871
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:51,120
we're doing we're just trying to come to
a reasonable conclusion for That's the

872
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:55,600
way government is supposed to work. But
it's got to be civil. You don't You can

873
01:17:53,520 --> 01:18:00,080
be passionate without being angry and
mad and mean and all that. You know what

874
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:06,080
I'm saying? Know your facts and give
them, but do it in love. Do it in the in

875
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:09,080
the spirit of
fairness.

876
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:15,280
Thank you. And y'all do that. By the
way, I'm not saying you don't do that.

877
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:22,320
I'm just encouraging you to do to do
that. civil political discourse.

878
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:25,040
» Charlie walked Charlie walked right into
that because he said you can be

879
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,920
passionate without being mad. I was
going to say not according to KWT.

880
01:18:27,539 --> 01:18:31,360
[laughter]
>> Yeah, I kind of kind of did this last

881
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:35,520
time about something that I was talking
about and I was like somebody said I

882
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:40,080
pounded the table. I was not angry. I'm
just trying to make a point.

883
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:42,239
» My turn.
>> Your turn.

884
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:45,360
» My turn.
>> Your turn.

885
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:49,120
» I gave everybody here plenty. Right. And
I'm not I'm not going to take a long

886
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:53,600
time, but I am going to say some things
that uh

887
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:59,280
need to be said.
Um I have made sure for two meetings now

888
01:18:56,239 --> 01:19:05,120
for two weeks that I have given everyone
more than the opportunity to speak their

889
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:09,760
mind because that is what we want to run
this city government. I did not take

890
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:16,320
this position
to get up here and give you my feelings

891
01:19:13,679 --> 01:19:22,080
at vote the way that that I want to
vote. I'm I'm sitting up here to vote

892
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:28,000
how the majority of our town wants to
vote. Okay.

893
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:33,760
I wasn't given a chance by our local
media last week to stay in the middle so

894
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:41,199
that I could hear from everyone in our
town. KWTX made sure that they

895
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:47,600
sensationalized a clip out of a two-hour
story so that it looked like you got a

896
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:53,440
false positive where I stood and then I
had to go and defend my family, my

897
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:57,080
business. I was called a fascist. They
talked about my granddaughter.

898
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:06,159
I don't really You know what? I'm I have
the thickest skin on the planet and

899
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:13,120
people can say what they say.
Uh I had a passionate conversation last

900
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:19,920
week with a member of our community and
it was a great back and forth.

901
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:27,760
He even wrote an incredible piece that
he put out there to let everybody know

902
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:33,120
again that we had a local TV station
that sensationalized and used yellow

903
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:41,040
journalism to get clicks
and try to turn our city into a circus.

904
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:45,040
All the while we sit in this room and
had the best meeting that I believe I've

905
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:47,920
ever had since I have been on this dasis
in this town.

906
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:57,159
I appreciate everyone in this room
tonight and everyone in the room last

907
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:57,159
week.

908
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:05,920
Yes, I am concerned about our rights
being trampled.

909
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:12,159
Uh along the way last week, mine were
trampled on

910
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:18,880
by a member of the state house
who put a slanderous statement out,

911
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:23,600
then
deleted my comment

912
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:31,000
where [clears throat] I was able to talk
against what was put out there,

913
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:31,000
then blocked me from his page,

914
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:37,280
therefore taking away my first
amendment, right? Because y'all know you

915
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:41,679
can't you can't block somebody from from
a public page if you're a public

916
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:48,040
servant.
By the way, I'm still blocked.

917
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:48,040
So,

918
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:56,400
yes, our rights are very important. And
as I said up here, I will always

919
01:21:53,360 --> 01:22:01,440
remember where we're at when it comes to
the Constitution and how we're taken

920
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:06,000
care of. In fact, I care so much I'm
going to Washington in a week and a half

921
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:11,199
to learn even more about what's going
on,

922
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:15,600
about where we're headed in every
direction of this world that we're

923
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:20,800
living in. And let's let's face it, we
are living in some times that that every

924
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:24,639
week we really don't know how things are
going to happen, but the technology that

925
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:27,600
we have, there's no telling what's going
to happen next week and what's going to

926
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:31,120
come up and what company's going to come
out with something that we're going to

927
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:37,280
figure out that we didn't know how it
was violating us.

928
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:41,040
Um, my statement to you is is that I
will sit in this chair until my time is

929
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:46,159
done.
And I will make sure that when I make a

930
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:52,080
vote and a commitment at this table, it
will be on behalf of the city of

931
01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:55,760
Robinson and the residents here and what
the majority of the people in this town

932
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:59,600
want to do.
Please know that you sat here and saw

933
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:04,000
the same kind of meetings tonight that
you saw last week if you were here last

934
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:04,000
week.

935
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:14,560
We we want you to come. We want you to
watch and let us know when you see

936
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:19,120
things on this agenda that affect you. I
don't think that after tonight's vote,

937
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:26,080
we'll stop with the discussion on where
these cameras go, any type of of

938
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:30,159
readers, the license plate readers. I do
want to make sure that I that there is a

939
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:38,000
uh
we have a u resident um Mr. Evie

940
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:43,040
Baylor professor that put out a podcast
that he asked me if I would uh talk

941
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:46,639
about and I did. He put it out there.
I'd welcome you to listen. There's going

942
01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:51,679
to be a part two. I'd welcome you to
listen to that. But as I sit here and I

943
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:56,239
finish, I want to make sure that
unequivocably

944
01:23:53,199 --> 01:24:02,560
I tell our chief of police that you are
an incredible officer. You run your

945
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:06,960
department with the integrity that most
other cities wish they had. And we

946
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:12,400
appreciate you and your officers and
your commander sitting next to you. And

947
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:17,760
we have the utmost
faith in the fact that with or without

948
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:21,120
these, Robinson will be a safe
community.

949
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:26,080
» Second.
>> All right, that's enough on my soap box.

950
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:32,480
» Vote. Motion.
>> I make a motion that we discontinue

951
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:36,360
the use of lock
technology, the cameras.

952
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:43,679
Anything else I need to say?
>> She's read.

953
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:47,400
» Oh,
>> she's going to get technical.

954
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,520
» Well, help me out on this, Misty.

955
01:24:55,303 --> 01:24:58,719
[clears throat]
>> So,

956
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:01,199
» while they're doing this, we want to
make sure we do it right. So, we only do

957
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:04,719
once.
>> I know what I want to say, but I think

958
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:07,920
you got to be technical to be legal. So,
here we go.

959
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:14,320
The [clears throat] action that I make a
motion on uh is to not authorize city

960
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:19,199
manager Craig Lemen to sign by the way
he's great city manager to sign the FY

961
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:23,760
202627
motor vehicle crime prevention authority

962
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:28,719
NVCPA
grant award letter and enter and not to

963
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:35,760
enter into a one-year agreement with
flock safety for fiscal year 2026

964
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:39,440
through 2027 to continue and not to
continue the city's automated license

965
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,920
plate rear program.
>> I'll second that.

966
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:46,400
» All right. So,
>> that clear.

967
01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:52,639
» Just to make sure that we don't have any
any uh misinterpretations in here, I'm

968
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:59,600
going to pull the council. Your vote is
yes to discontinue.

969
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:04,960
Right. Vote yes to discontinue or no if
you disagree. All right. So, let's start

970
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:07,280
at the end. Let's start with
>> I yes

971
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:09,040
» yes
>> yes

972
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,080
» yes
>> yes

973
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:13,679
» yes
>> yes

974
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:20,920
» all right motion is unanimous and
carries flock cameras are discontinued

975
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:20,920
in our city

976
01:26:21,764 --> 01:26:23,784
[applause]

977
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:33,520
» again again uh thank you uh we
appreciate you being here if we don't

978
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:37,440
hear from you somebody said it last
week. [snorts] I can say this because

979
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:42,239
somebody said last week they said,
"Well, if we don't show up, that means

980
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:46,710
we think you're doing a good job."
While I really appreciate that,

981
01:26:44,690 --> 01:26:46,710
[laughter]

982
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:57,199
I would like I would like to make a
pitch

983
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:02,000
for all of us to go and follow our city
Facebook page, City of Robinson's

984
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:06,400
Facebook page.
the young lady behind the computer over

985
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:12,080
there and her department do a wonderful
job of keeping our residents up date on

986
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:19,280
everything. If if in two hours we find
out a pipe burst or a gas man busted or

987
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:23,520
somebody did something, it's on there in
a heartbeat. The copy so that you don't

988
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:27,440
have to go dig through. I'm telling you,
I I want it to be easier to dig through

989
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:32,320
the city website to find the council
agenda so you can see. It's kind of a

990
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:35,360
pain, but it's easy when they put it on
there because they put the two pages on

991
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:40,480
there and you can see the council
meetings are every first Tuesday and

992
01:27:38,639 --> 01:27:45,040
third Tuesday of the month. If you just
take the time to read it, hey, I don't

993
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:48,960
need to see you if you don't if you're
not going to disagree with me, okay? If

994
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:52,880
you think we're all up here doing a good
job and you don't want to come, that's

995
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:57,199
fine. But look at that agenda. Look
what's on there. Get an idea. And if you

996
01:27:55,679 --> 01:28:00,800
see something that might affect you or
you think we might need to hear from

997
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:04,560
you, please come see us. These meetings
are not long. Even with I'm telling you,

998
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:10,320
even with all this, we finish in an
hour, okay? They don't take 20, 30

999
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:15,920
minutes unusual. So, I understand we all
have things to do, but but uh please

1000
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:19,360
give us your feedback. We want your
feedback. We don't want to sit up here

1001
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:22,239
and do it for for and make a bad
decision. All right. Everybody got it?

1002
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:26,000
Anybody got anything they want to put on
a future agenda while we're sitting

1003
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:31,600
here? I've got two items. One is I want
to revisit the lady at bunker and

1004
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:36,239
whatever just to report on what we what
we found on that at some point.

1005
01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:39,840
» And then uh second, I would suggest that
we have some people here with a

1006
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:42,480
petition. They're concerned about a
possible ordinance. I'd like to have a

1007
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,880
discussion about that.
>> Well, that will actually be brought to

1008
01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:46,400
you at the next council.
>> Okay. That's already on it.

1009
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:49,440
» Okay.
>> Yeah. It was just delivered to the city

1010
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:53,199
secretary yesterday.
>> Already tonight's agenda. the the wheels

1011
01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:58,639
are moving.
>> We'll tell you what actions, you know,

1012
01:28:56,719 --> 01:29:03,199
» happen. I mean, it's just it all that
was brought to us so far is just that

1013
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:06,480
there are people starting not been an
action.

1014
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:10,880
» Well, I I like a discussion about just a
discussion about what a possible

1015
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:14,800
ordinance would look like or or what I
mean because there's a lot of very

1016
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:18,639
educated people on that subject that I
would love to hear their input on what

1017
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:21,920
an ordinance like that might look like.
I don't know we need to take any action

1018
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:25,440
or anything of it at that point in time
but I would like to if you know that

1019
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:30,960
makes sense. It doesn't it doesn't.
>> So noted. Got it. Anything else?

1020
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:33,920
» Good. Once again thank you to all of you
people out there sitting in the chairs.

1021
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:39,159
We appreciate you being here. And with
that at 7:28 we're journ.