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The administration finance, recreation, parks, committees, follow-up, public safety, public courts, committee meetings, the date of the 9th, 2016, oom. For the record, council members, Dynand, Eigelhart, Lambo, Dupada are not present, that's a long. First item on the agenda, approval of the minutes from the two lines. Move to approve, second. Thank you, all in favor. Thank you.

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We're going to skip around a little bit on the agenda.

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I think we can move to a administration of first iteming considerations.

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We're going to take all the people to the charities.

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We've got a lot of right funds in them.

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$21,000 or $83.

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Thank you, Kate.

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That's exactly what it is with C2BG.

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Charles offered it here.

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He handles and manages all our C2BG activities.

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activities and he'll explain what we're doing with this reallocation.

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Yeah, Barbara Duffy, contact him and ask that her 2016 funds that were awarded

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in March, be reallocated to a higher priority project, the elevator,

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the freight elevator group and so then like reallocated those.

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And just the reason it's coming here is because we have to approve, plan

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originally of what they're going to use and if they change it we've got to get

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to prove it in minutes, to prove it because it requires us to do a amendment for the

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substantial amendments and it requires some proof plus a 30-day public notice, or it took

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out a mad and say that we could be considering it, and so you guys proved it, and so we got

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this next counsel with the one right after that.

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What was the original grant?

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They were going to renovate some of their office space or renovate the food pantry and down side of it.

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We can store food upstairs now and turn into a virtual office space.

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So there's going to be a higher priority budget because they need the free elevator to get the food and supply over now.

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Move to move for a second.

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I'm going to skip to finance item.

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This is consideration from budget amendment to purchase a stormwater backing trot and

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amount not to exceed $360,000.

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This item may sound familiar to you because the item was approved in the 2017 budget.

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However, at the time, staff thought was to use a different financing back in the summer

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All that has to be explained is about that.

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Thank you, Kate.

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This item is in our NFK 17 budget.

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And we have initially wanted to do it

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with these purchase programs.

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However, as we end the NFK 16, we have a substantial fund

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balance of about $1.00.

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So I suppose that we need the fund balance

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to make the purchase of the close to the least purchase.

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Is that good?

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That's good.

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And a second, all in favor.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you,

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Mr. Gasker.

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If you'll make your way up, then go to those items.

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And then go to the next floor.

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So here,

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item number four, considerations for the mayor

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and the administrative design of contact,

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but an account for the engineering and nine services

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from the time those roads call her.

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Just place a card and I can only think

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to send down one of the dollars.

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Approval.

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Relations will be free.

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I'm sorry I'm sorry on the public safety public works to me second second item of public's work

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Yeah, so this is a straight forward call version placement on a very complicated

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So that's the reason we've got a little more engineering involved on this and we hope to get it done quickly so we can go into construction next school.

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I'll see you in the summer.

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The motion is back in all in favor.

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Okay, thanks.

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The next item is consideration of the mayor and also the administrative and fine contract.

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I'm playing with mine or the Jordan 25 greenhouse.

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That was $39,286,025.

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And when Chathfield contracted to

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provide replacement amount of $9,142.08,

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that's one of the two things that

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they can take place like this.

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Okay, this is a little more complicated

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stormwater replacement project with two contractors

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in the same area, addressing failure that's

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caused a sinkhole that's going to do the lining.

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and also has an extension down the river that we're going to do the different technology of HDBD plastic pipes.

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So that's why we're using the two contractors.

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Our line contractor laying in liner and chat bill is doing the balance of the work through the golf course.

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Again, other than that, it's fairly routine, although because of the sinkhole and the failure of this concrete corrugated metal pipe,

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you really would like to get it done as soon as possible.

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Well, there's both provided and back, but these are both stand-up contractors.

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Mr. Brewer.

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Mr. Brewer.

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I guess I'm not accepting my counsel.

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The board is all in favor.

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So then we're going to play the favor away from what I'm skipping around.

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Is it a waiting for a fuller committee?

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I'm going to move to the, and then them that actually I've got,

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I had to probably just want you to make your practice up.

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Friday, this is out of number 10 on admin finance, right at the park.

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So this is consideration for the mayor and

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university administrators to sign an inter-parcel act

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session in between King's Market, L.M.C., and

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the city of Roswell.

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This is regarding fire station number four.

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The parcel that the city owns on the corner of Market

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Boulevard in Oda, Alabama, as you know, is for

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a construction fire station number four.

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Staff was directed to sign the fire station

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with intention of future subdivision of that property.

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The Interferral Act says this from the parking lot,

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thereby the old flim deco,

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owned to property will not be distracted at this time,

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since we are moving bird about on that parcel

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and we don't know what future redevelopment of that property

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might be, but it does give us the ability

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to have Interferral Act that,

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and that property is subdivided and in a like a day.

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They have approved it on their side.

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I'm going to take a look at the first two questions.int

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will be returned by Councilmember Ollvis and by Councilmember Fortis by motion. Thank

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you. Number

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Thank you.

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Reyes and the members of the Councilmember? No,

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we, of course. I wasapproved

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too.

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I was free by

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Section 21.2.2, I relate to small-scale technology.

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Did you recall this item was on set of ratings?

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It was in first so that Sam would have an opportunity to meet

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with some of the effective self-explications.

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But if that had happened, the current changes

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are in your package with a red line or a red line version.

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I would like to give us a number of you

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was the same added language, was clarifying the things that the attorneys were about communication

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supposed wanted at the general meeting, although after we forwarded to them a version of this,

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willing a comment back from Sprint.

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They still don't like it, but nobody else commented on it at all.

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And at the meeting, we acknowledge the men that we fully expect that they will go to the state during the legislature next year and try to get their own business.

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They are wanting to do, but we need to go ahead and put something on the books.

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And this accomplishes the main things that we want by having control over and instructing them to the public right away.

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45-foot pole if it comes to that preference for co-location and all instances if they

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do need a pole they've got to seek permission from the city administrator, if the city administrator

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says no, then it feels to marijuana to get that variance.

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They're costing in line with our other utilities and we think that this is a clean way of doing

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I don't know, nothing specific, they just said no.

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Or the record council members diamond, Palermo, Zipada, or President, Council Member Zipada.

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Thank you.

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So how did this change from the regional proposal and transportation department, how much change

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and what was the main change that we have from the regional proposal?

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I think the main changes were in clarifying terms so that we match the industry terms.

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We were using rather generic terms, for instance, they have a small cell technology.

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We got the other one that was a big deal, but when we looked through it, it's mainly typing

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up the terms.

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It didn't really change the concept of what we had asked to regulate.

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So I did an open loophole for them to a squizz in them.

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Well I think that's kind of what they don't like about this is that this is a pretty

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well crafted, you know, we've done it from Dunway, to any way he's had theirs in there

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for a long time, that the basic premises sound, which is we need it, you know, we certainly

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They are not trying to harm them or prevent them from doing anything, but within our city limits

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we need to make sure that they are encouraged to use existing polls and not just the polls

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all over the place.

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And that's probably what they don't like.

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So we made the same.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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The concept is the same.

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Okay.

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lusive.

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As included in your packet, staff has done an analysis looking at the fee in lieu of

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specimen tree preservation as requested our last committee meeting.

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Background on this is that the analysis we completed compared the city of Roswell's current

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tree ordinances as well as our permanent applications with other jurisdictions including the cities

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of Atlanta, Sadie Springs, Althoretta, Milton, Marietta, as well as Fulton and Cobb County

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because their ordinances are slightly different. As a result of that analysis in the back of your

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package was a very large table that compared all of them together, but the summary is that we looked

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at the minimum requirements included in their permits, applications, in the ordinance specific to

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the definition of specimen trees, the sizes of those trees, the fees that they were charging in

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of preservation as well as what other options they may have available and it is within each

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of the jurisdictions there were a lot of subtle differences between the applications of the

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ordinance as well as the requirements. Overall the summary I'll cut right to the

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chase is that the city of Roswell's specimen tree definition is actually on par or more conservative

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than our other jurisdictions in the area. In other words our tree sizes already did the same or we

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We have a smaller size, for example, we have a 16 inch mid-story, no one else has a mid-story.

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Our larger tree size is relatively the same as most of our other counterparts.

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Some of them have smaller ones, which we'll get to in just a second.

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In addition to that, the cost per unit of the specimen tree removal is actually more costly

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than some of the others.

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I was kind of surprised by it, given the structures.

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I felt like we might not necessarily be on par with that.

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In the package, I provide you, there's an example where I established a set number of trees being removed and applied it in three different locations here in Roswell,

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Citadel, Atlanta, as well as Sandy Springs, I believe, and you'll note that our cost for the same tree removals is over $8,000 whereas it's a $1,000 or $1,500 for the other two jurisdictions.

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So using that theme project, if you will, and three different locations, I was able to demonstrate that we actually are providing a monetary disadvantage if you will have taken trees down.

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But what I would like to point out is even though it results in a higher cost, we do have a component of our tree ordinance that allows for a credit to be given to that cost

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If the developer chooses to plant additional trees to replace those specimen trees, so to

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put this in kind of simple terms, there's two components in the tree ordinance that

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have to be met.

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The first is the actual density of trees provided on-site.

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So if 20 tree density units are required, they have to have 20 tree density units.

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In addition to that, if they take out a specimen tree that's worth 10 units, they either have

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to pay to replace those 10 units pay for those 10 units or plant trees to compensate for

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that loss. So you can actually have essentially a net zero cost for the actual tree replacement

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because they're planting a whole lot more trees.

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Then the minimum requirement for the site. So you may find a situation, for example, a reserve at Coleman is a great example. They had, we'll say, 46 units that were being removed. They're not only planting to compensate for the regular tree density that's required by code for the site. They're planting extra to compensate for the specimen trees that were removed, and it's a lot extra. So they're, instead of paying cash to us, they're paying cash.

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passion to the site in order to plant more trees on the site than our minimum requirements

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are. Yes. What size trees for they be? There's a minimum requirement of four inches

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and a minimum height, I believe it's eight feet, but there's actually a table that is required

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that when they provide their proposed plant to us that our arborist would compare that to

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and depending on the specimen of the tree, the type of tree that changes slightly. But the

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minimum is four inches. I do know that, but based on the tree type, that's I've made up from that,

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depending on the tree.

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And there was a time where we actually worked to try and save substantial

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special entries, and we'd actually take the move plans around based on that. Now we've pretty

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seen that we pretty much just cut it down into place. The current code. And we do to fix that.

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That leaves me to my next slide. Perfect. Because right now the code has a lot of different options on how

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to work around this. Generally speaking, it's pay, plant, or pay into a bank if you can't

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plant. So those are kind of the three basic options. So our recommendations are that the

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levels that we have right now, and let me take a second to explain in case there's any

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questions about tree density units. One of the things that's different about the city

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of Roswell versus some other jurisdictions that we looked at is some of them actually look

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at just trees per acre, 20 trees per acre, 40 trees per acre, whatever that may be. And that

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That doesn't matter the size.

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That's just physically that's the number of trees you're looking for.

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We use tree density units and the difference with that is that the only tree size that

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have a 1 to 1 ratio is a 3-inch tree.

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So all 3-inch trees, when we're calculating the density on that site, a 3-inch tree counts

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as a tree.

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A 4-inch tree counts as 1 and a half trees.

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The 5-inch tree is 2-trees and it goes on and on and on all the way up to 50 inches I think

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and then a unit that goes along with that.

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And that is in the code and it's,

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I won't go into all the details,

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but it can get complicated at what makes our calculations

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and our costs go up with meeting those numbers.

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The, what's nice about that is the fact that we are able

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to then look at the value of those larger trees,

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not just the smaller trees.

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Some of the other jurisdictions ignore anything

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under their specimen trees.

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They don't necessarily count that.

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So that's where I think we're a little bit more conservative.

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So, when I looked at comparing applications in our code versus Atlanta, Sandy Springs,

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Beard, et cetera, the use of our tree density units, in my opinion, in our staff's opinion,

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is that it's much more conservative because we're getting a bigger bang for our buck as far as that size of the tree.

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Same thing with the $500 tree density unit.

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Again, it's not per tree, that's per unit.

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So, if you have a tree that's worth 10 units, it's 500 times 10, but it's only one tree.

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is based on the calculations that we ran a very conservative way and approach to doing this.

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The things that we would recommend doing in order to really look at more of a preservation as the forefront

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is to maybe flip the priorities around. One of the things that we notice the City of Marietta does

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is they offer a double unit credit for preserved and it has to be successfully preserved tree.

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So, for example, if there's a 24-inch tree that they preserve successfully on site,

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if it's worth 10 points, they actually get 20, so you don't have to plant as many,

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but that gives us an opportunity to offer a carrot, if you will, that gets our developers

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to preserve the trees as opposed to taking them down.

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Now, I have to add that with all this being said, I'm not sure that there's any ordinances

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out there right now that is a fail safe for making sure that all those trees are

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preserved. There's going to be opportunities for the developer to say we don't

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really want you to rather pay out the pocket and that's what we're going to do.

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So that is one opportunity to offer the carrot version of it. Maybe something

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that can help but there was a time again where our arborist like you said no you

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You will say that tree and it will just pay in and then I think this is working.

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That information to be able to compare that and I wasn't able to track that down so I

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don't know if it's just wait for what I was able to get a hold of and I don't know if

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there was any special.

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I don't know what the office at the time was doing but that was not in the current ordinance

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and was not in the previous ordinance.

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Well, it was a practice.

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It was a practice but it's difficult for staff to say you will do this because we don't

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have an issue.

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You don't have a regulation behind us, and we're doing terrible preservation of the trees,

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and also, what we're dealing with now is the smaller, more confined, more difficult sites.

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Actually, I initiated the first three ordinance in Roswell going on back to the 90s.

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We've changed it multiple times, but I think one of the items is where the stake in shake

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is there was a big specimen tree in that piece of property in the center and we had two or three

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items to come before us that would not be approved because the tree was in the way basically couldn't be

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saved and so I think we ended up you know instead of getting some details and taking a land I think we

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might have made some changes at that point time I don't remember exactly but I think that might have

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been where we kind of worked around, I'm not being able to do anything to make some

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option to flexibility.

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I'm going from memory.

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So I have a couple of questions.

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So first off, can you help understand so I see how it works for safe.

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Let's use the example of 30-inch open.

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How is it working?

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What needs to be planted in order to get a credit that would make there be no cost or

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Okay, I will do my best to answer that, so bear with me when I slip to this.

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So a 30 inch, you said 30 correct, 30 inch oak is worth 7.5 tree density units.

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So then what we would expect for the landscape architect who's going to replace that is for

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example a 3 inch tree is worth 0.5 all the way up to a 9 inch or greater is worth 6.

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So they would have to do a combination of a variety of trees that add up to the total

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of the 7.5 in order to do it.

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So it could be three trees, it could be, so it was quite example then.

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So you have a 30 inch poke, so you said a 9 inch was equal to 16 inch?

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Correct.

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And then you said a 3 inch was equal to what?

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0.5.

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0.5.

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So, so the phrase, an example would be you tear down a 30 inch oak, you put up a 9 inch tree, and you put up a handful of three inch trees, and that would correct.

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Correct.

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So, okay, that's one thing I might want to discuss a little little later as well, because I do have concerns with that area.

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Now let me add to that if I may, that would just be for the replacement of the density.

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On top of that, it has a specimen value.

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So it would have to, it actually would get double hits if I'm not mistaken, I may have

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that incorrect, but if I have a site and I take out these trees, I have the density for

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the general site, I have to replace, and then the specimen's on top of that.

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So there would actually be an additional value of the seven and a half, so it would really

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be two.

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which is why this is very interesting that if they were to preserve that, instead of

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being more 7.5 on their site, it's worth 15, and so they may not decide to plant a bunch

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of little ones on site.

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So I think that looking at something like that as an approach, and it may not be this one,

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it may be another way to do it, to help encourage the preservation because right now, whether

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is that they pay $8,000 or they plant 50 extra trees depending on how much

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tree cost is going to determine probably what the developer is going to choose to do.

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Right now, and that is, let me add that all of the jurisdictions offer those

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same things. They can replant as a credit, they can pay into variety of banks, and if they can't plant,

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there's even another separate bank that they can plant into. So we're not the only ones who

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offer that just to clarify that. So my next question is if so if the if the

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arborist finds that a tree is disease and there's no cost for a place

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correct that's correct so the definition of specimen is that it's good health

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as well okay and then and I guess two more question one is that is that standard

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And you see, okay, and then my second question is, what are some other ways that I was a developer and I had, and I had a, where are some other ways where with our current warden, get away with, not paying, not replacing,

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are there any other way that's possible?

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Not that I'm aware of.

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So, I have a couple questions.

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How is there a maximum, because it seems like I hear you don't want to plant too big, and then they don't have a long term.

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One of the abs of the armors we're looking at is the sizes, but also how close they're placed together because of the anger and the grow.

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Because obviously don't want trees to be planted and then have them to die within a certain number of years, because they're not going to get big enough.

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But I don't know that there's any other maximums necessarily.

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And to that end, how long do we, so they preserve a specimen tree, how long do we track that tree?

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That's a good question. I would have to actually look and see further how Marietta processes that.

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Right now, I do know that if we have new landscaping that goes in, we have performance bonds and maintenance bonds

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and the maintenance bonds are for two years. So if a tree dies, then that two-year period, we require that developer to replace it at their cost.

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So I would have to look and see specifically for the preservation if they do anything different that I would imagine

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That's probably something along those lines. I can't remember seeing any site plan that didn't have a specimen tree that we didn't talk about

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How we were going to figure out either how to save it or how to mark that off or where the drip line was. I mean we talk about it on almost every

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Resounding

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So do you think we should start paying more attention on the scale?

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You just mentioned about 30 inches oak equals to 7.5 point points, do we need maybe to review the scale and see, you know, if it makes sense, how fair it is and

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you certainly could, I'm not sure of any other ordnances or jurisdictions locally that are using it.

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I'm not as familiar with what the industry is looking at as far as those values, but that is, and I believe I'm not mistaken,

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in that in the overall text changes we were looking at there were some very

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specific questions like about the minimums and that sort of thing but if

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Council would prefer that we look at the overall values of those oh not

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some that we could certainly have staff look at we did not look at it as a part of

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this evaluation because one of the key points is the scale and the other one you

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said that they also get credit or debit by pre-planting but they do for

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For example, they don't use a scale like we do, they do per tree, so for example with

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the city of Marietta, even though they offer something like this, they look at tree

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density and say for example that their minimum is 20 trees per acre, so they're not looking

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at the size of the tree as a value if they're just looking at straight up number of trees

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over a certain size.

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And I think that a minimum is three inches.

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There's specimen sizes are roughly the same as ours.

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OK, and the other was a criteria to choose this city.

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That's a valuable.

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I looked at whatever was local that I

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knew had tree ordinances that would be similar in environment

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to us because there has similar tree structure as we do.

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But we can certainly go broader than that.

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If we go too far beyond the local geography,

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the tree types are going to change.

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The sizes that you may find in that area

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will not be similar to ours and so I didn't want to go too far and it's not

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be something that's comparable to what we would expect to find here in the city

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around. So the indicator might be a good to look at. I can certainly tell if it's

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right there or not the indicator. Sure, absolutely. There's so much

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harm. Now, there's barinogins beautifully there. The Argentine

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fuseline in Argentina is called barinogin. They're talking also a lot of

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The board to bring us some Argentine free orders.

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I'm Ted Turner, kind of healthy.

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He owes lambers.

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Before this came to committee the last time,

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I had read in Atlanta Constitution,

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much higher number relative to what you've got here for.

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Exactly.

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So the difference between us and the city of Atlanta

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is that they not only look at the specimen tree

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lost, they have what we refer to, I'm referring to it, a net tree destroyed or lost. So what they

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will look at is if there are ten trees that are destroyed or lost because of impact to the

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roots, they charge $100 per tree, and then they also add on top of that $30 per net inches of

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tree lost, which is why you have a difference in the numbers. But again, it depends on the

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number of trees of what that number is going to actually come out to be. You and I were

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talking today about hearing a story about this really hard high number, and I can't figure

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out how they got it personally because I used, in my example, the tree that would have been

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impacted that would have fallen under the specimen tree category. It was a 30-inch hook, so

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they would get $100 because there's one tree and then it's $30 times the 30 inches and

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I thought well that's only about $10. How do we end up? So I don't know if it was a very

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large site and maybe there were 10 of these which would result in the $10.00.

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$1.00. But that is, I just believe that it was, it was for that one treat. I mean, I can't believe

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the media on anything. I fully expected our number to come in, or when I did the analysis,

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I actually did several times, different people to make sure that I wasn't crazy. I've heard multiple

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times that we're not cheap on the trees from developers over the years. They're always complaining about the cost.

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Is there a maximum based on any law or anything else of maps could be charged? Are we choosing these numbers?

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I am not aware of any of that, right? You said something more for our legal office, but I'm not aware of any kind of state law.

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I think that the danger you run into, the higher the cost, the closer you get to taking.

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So, you need to have a rational relationship between the cost and the bill, and as part

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of that I think what you're going to look at what's surrounding yours is that you're

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going to do it if you're way outlining higher than it's going to likely to fail without some

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specific reason given for that.

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Okay.

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And what would it take to give flexibility to an arborist or anybody to say that we're going

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to save this tree, that tree in a plan.

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Well, I think legally, I don't know

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that I can give you a hard and fast rule on that.

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I think you stated goal that you

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want to save all the specimen trees.

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I don't think so at all, but I mean, just state as a goal.

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We want to save all specimen trees possible and start from there.

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And then you implement these other rules to try to get there.

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I would say, I don't sit in on the pre-application plans, but I think that

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Condest staff always emphasizes to the developers that we do want to save

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through this and we want to have infrastructure in that world maximize tree

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setting. Now you can try to strengthen that. You can put a little higher cost on it

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certainly. At what point are we going to get out of line? I would say if you go

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So 50% higher than other incoherable situations.

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I was probably about as high as I would say you could go and say that our rational reason

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is we want to preserve these specimen trees.

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I would think the counter-argument on that is, and the North-Helps with this is, yes, you

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want to preserve those over trees that are there in good health.

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And I think that's got to be emphasized because plus the old story about it in a hundred

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year old oak is the baby of 300 years dying and it may be magnificent but it's on its

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way to death.

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Well, I think a hundred years extra life is probably worth even 50, you know, it's been

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getting longer than most probably.

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I think we can craft something with that, it's I would say we need to look at the other

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jurisdictions, and probably we need to look at the forestry practices. I would say University of Georgia,

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forestry service, or something, to give us an idea of what economic value trees hold.

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If I may, and I would also believe when something comes forward for rezoning, at that time, because the tree

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We plan in part of the rezoning application that could be a condition that you point out for the trees that you want to preserve.

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Well, that's it in the practice.

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Fairwood.

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I think we also have to keep in balance preservation of trees and planting trees.

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I think our ordinance does a pretty good job of encouraging planting trees.

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Put this in perspective for folks who haven't been here for 67 years.

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which is just about everybody in this room.

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There are more trees and more tree coverage today in Roswell in a town of 95,000 people.

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Then there were when it was a town of 3500.

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Now you may look surprised, but it's a fact.

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So I think we need to look at preservation trees, but in the long run, it's planning trees

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which creates a healthy forest, and not preservation of trees near the end of their

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life's land. I see a balance. And we need to keep that balance in mind.

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Council member, pull out about it. So I definitely do see value of the replant of trees.

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And I just want to just better understand how that credit works.

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So another question I add going back to a nine-inch tree is worth six units.

437
00:34:51,670 --> 00:35:01,130
Is that any tree or woody dye line on which types of trees, for example, a 30-inch oak is cut down, which is seven and a half units.

438
00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:06,790
You're replacing six of those units with a nine inch tree. What tree types are available to them?

439
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:19,110
I'm not entirely sure of the answer to the question. I am pretty sure that there is restrictions on the types of trees that can be planted.

440
00:35:19,110 --> 00:35:24,110
it, it would need to be in the classifications of the ones that we've classed, we conclude

441
00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:24,550
this specimen.

442
00:35:25,150 --> 00:35:29,990
So, for example, they've got to be the specimen types in order to have that value.

443
00:35:30,090 --> 00:35:36,170
But I don't know that we have any requirements beyond that on, you know, what a magnolia

444
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:39,730
versus a oak yet, as far as value is going to be based on the side.

445
00:35:39,850 --> 00:35:43,310
And that's something I would just like to make sure to be able to see this cut, to be able

446
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:44,030
to be able to see the original.

447
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:48,770
Because I do want to make sure that we are encouraging and really replanting and helping

448
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:50,970
I mean, healthy trees are really the way things

449
00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:53,730
are happening in the trees, such as the area

450
00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:56,510
of, we can get that information,

451
00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:57,530
and sort of get that back.

452
00:35:58,330 --> 00:36:01,570
Any other quest for information from staff,

453
00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:04,050
obviously, we need to go back and regroup again,

454
00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:06,610
and we'll come back to the development presentation

455
00:36:06,610 --> 00:36:07,610
in the city center.

456
00:36:07,850 --> 00:36:09,170
I have one thing I can add to that.

457
00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:10,890
I can tell you that there has to be a balance

458
00:36:10,890 --> 00:36:13,290
in understory versus overstory trees

459
00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:16,610
and that the ratio, you can't do only,

460
00:36:16,610 --> 00:36:20,950
You know, if you can't only do it under, you can't only do it over if it's got to be a balance, which is means you're going to get

461
00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:22,810
the

462
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:30,310
Trees will tend to be the 30 inch oaks later would be some of the ones that are planted and just really quickly to add on the other thing that staff

463
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:34,290
Recommends is actually to make a minor revision to the definitions of our

464
00:36:34,750 --> 00:36:40,490
Bestment trees right now. As I mentioned earlier, we have an eight inch for our smaller trees which are your dogwoods

465
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:45,050
We have 16 inch for a mid story, which would be your

466
00:36:47,050 --> 00:36:52,210
I think it's actually, I remember correctly, and then we have our overstory hardwood, which

467
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:52,550
is oak.

468
00:36:52,750 --> 00:36:56,950
Right now is 24-inch, Marietta actually is 18-inch, that's one of the things that we've

469
00:36:56,950 --> 00:37:01,790
considered as a recommendation, and then reducing the 30-inch on the softwood overstory, which

470
00:37:01,790 --> 00:37:05,050
can be your pines to 24-inch, which again is what Marietta is doing.

471
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:08,650
So that was part of the other leg of the recommendation for me, mate.

472
00:37:08,830 --> 00:37:13,830
Longing the discussion we have was sitting at 8-inch dogwood identified that way.

473
00:37:13,830 --> 00:37:14,530
All

474
00:37:16,770 --> 00:37:19,050
right, the witness will take that back and we'll have that.

475
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:23,150
We're going to move to public safety now to the end of the question.

476
00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:28,830
Hey, the witness is the right amount of security in the national context in the law and in the country.

477
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:32,930
I remember lobby at the time that we closed the agenda,

478
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:37,070
we did not have the quote again from the contract,

479
00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:41,370
but we now have that quoted back and it provided to you the email and the card.

480
00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:54,730
Just to give you some history of the police department and security in the lobby after September 11, 2001, of the police chief at the time.

481
00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:58,010
It's better to officer in the lobby just to security purposes.

482
00:37:58,610 --> 00:38:06,690
And from time to time, you do have incidents in the lobby where an officer is needed.

483
00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:22,070
And I think it's just a thing to have an officer there, we've got to consider removing the officer and leaving him as security as it is, but I just don't think that's a good change in the light of things that are going on in society today, particularly in the community side.

484
00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:23,370
I think that's even more.

485
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:30,910
So what we can look at for a while, other alternatives to securing the law, during the last

486
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:37,370
process, we had a plan, and we had to go back and get a new book.

487
00:38:38,410 --> 00:38:45,130
But to be honest, at that time, it just wasn't a high enough priority at other issues that

488
00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:46,830
were going on and had other priorities.

489
00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:52,990
But in light of what's going on now, I'm reconsidering, I think it should be a higher

490
00:38:52,990 --> 00:38:59,310
priority to secure the lobby. By securing the lobby, you know, I'll drop that in a second.

491
00:38:59,870 --> 00:39:06,130
What that will allow us to do is take that police officer that's in the lobby and put him back or her back out on the street.

492
00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:17,170
The cost of the lobby project is going to be $91,000. And the cost of the ballpark cost of an officer will bring benefits to about $60,000.

493
00:39:17,170 --> 00:39:35,350
So you can see that in this will be a one time expense, but I asked for another place officer, it would cost us $60,000 a year after a year after a year after a year, but in this situation by funding this $91,000 lobby project, you're going to put a place officer back out on the street for one time cost $91,000.

494
00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:46,830
So essentially what we're going to do is I know you've all been into the lobby and there's a desk in there that is typically a lady sits behind an

495
00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:56,310
answer is the telephone and it's elevated. What we're going to do is remove that completely and there's also a door right behind where she sits with no window.

496
00:39:56,310 --> 00:40:05,650
So what we're going to do is basically put a ballistic window where there is no window

497
00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:09,670
now and she will sit behind that ballistic flash.

498
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:14,790
Also the ballistic panels cover in the front part so that she will be behind the ballistic

499
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:16,010
panels as well.

500
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:20,730
So in the rural areas, the ballistic and fuel, so she will be being protected and won't be

501
00:40:20,730 --> 00:40:22,330
in the helicopter out there.

502
00:40:22,330 --> 00:40:27,050
here. Also, you can pick up a lot of people that walk in and want to follow up some type

503
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:31,670
of report with the police department. The officer that sits out there, that's not his

504
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:37,230
job or her job to do that. So, when somebody walks in and wants to make a report, the officer

505
00:40:37,230 --> 00:40:41,850
sits there and calls in another officer off the street and come in and actually take the

506
00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:46,670
report so that they can focus on what's going on in the wash. So, the time and time, we

507
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:50,830
don't have to have officers come in and take reports. The lonely have one officer in there

508
00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:53,170
for a short time as opposed to the two officers.

509
00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:58,590
So in addition to, essentially, fortifying the downstairs,

510
00:40:59,330 --> 00:41:03,230
the upstairs to the second floor where we have our record

511
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:07,010
section right now they sit behind drywall and plexi glass.

512
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:10,770
And it was maybe two years ago that in the jail,

513
00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:13,310
the person at the counter, if the jail basically

514
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:17,170
was in the same situation, they sat behind drywall and plexi glass,

515
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:21,890
and we had a hard-earned project there where we put in ballistic panels and

516
00:41:21,890 --> 00:41:25,970
bullet-resistant glass in the jail. So essentially what we're doing to the lobby is

517
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:30,350
what we've already done to the jail. So I think it's just a prudent thing to do

518
00:41:30,350 --> 00:41:34,210
and also another benefit is an official buy-gattles.

519
00:41:36,610 --> 00:41:41,770
So I trust your judgment on the CFP aspect. So wherever we think is made best from a

520
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:45,570
safety standpoint, from a financial standpoint, I think it makes a lot of sense

521
00:41:45,570 --> 00:41:51,630
where you're telling us if we have a $91,000 one-time cost basically we get a $60,000

522
00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:54,190
annuity which is just having an officer back on the screen.

523
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:56,070
That's definitely going to be a nice surprise.

524
00:41:56,690 --> 00:42:01,050
And what I've been able to mention is that these funds will be coming out of the F-16

525
00:42:01,570 --> 00:42:01,810
savings.

526
00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:03,730
Council members of mine.

527
00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:09,430
And just to complete Council Member Palermo's math in 15 years is $900,000.

528
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:12,810
Just to keep your logic there, I've been here.

529
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:17,930
So, financially, you know, I think also make a lot of sense to do it.

530
00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:20,330
And is that a motion to move it forward?

531
00:42:20,890 --> 00:42:21,110
Yes.

532
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:22,650
I'm going to show you a good forward.

533
00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:24,930
Councilmember Lerner's second.

534
00:42:25,110 --> 00:42:27,170
And just for the record, included in that,

535
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:31,570
not even a valid visit, 10% contingency on building off as Miller is here.

536
00:42:31,710 --> 00:42:35,210
When we manage that project, we'll let police to park with police.

537
00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:37,950
When we let building off, it was a great job.

538
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:39,130
He's going to manage that project.

539
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:41,130
So, we are requesting a 10% contingency.

540
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:43,790
if it is not needed, we will not use the funding,

541
00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:46,450
but the budget limit is to be able to include that.

542
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:49,150
Okay, I have a motion and a second, all in favor.

543
00:42:50,130 --> 00:42:50,950
Thank you very much.

544
00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:51,450
Thank you, Chair.

545
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:52,050
Thank you.

546
00:42:52,350 --> 00:42:54,430
Mr. Stahl, could you make your way back up, please,

547
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:57,170
sir, I know you have a moment here with us

548
00:42:57,170 --> 00:43:00,510
and we'd like to go on, so we'll get that item here up.

549
00:43:00,890 --> 00:43:03,850
This is consideration to exactly the material change request

550
00:43:03,850 --> 00:43:05,230
and the monstrosity of the fans.

551
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:07,610
Supposedly, we're going first side, we've slightly

552
00:43:07,610 --> 00:43:08,210
got collected.

553
00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:10,430
Thank you very much.

554
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:13,730
All the easing things from environmental public works are now over.

555
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:19,810
We have a request from our recycling contractor against the services

556
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:27,430
to a men air contract due to glass in the mixed recycling screen.

557
00:43:28,590 --> 00:43:33,950
And our representative from the media has chose to visit you as well to answer the difficult questions.

558
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:39,470
The short version of this is, this has been a problem in the recycling business, particularly

559
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:44,850
in the metropolitan area in Georgia for at least the last year to two years and probably

560
00:43:44,850 --> 00:43:45,470
longer.

561
00:43:46,650 --> 00:43:51,090
Janet Lieberman is also here to test to just how long this has kind of been brewing in the

562
00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:51,490
industry.

563
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:58,190
And we have what's called a mixed recycling stream that's picked up curbside, so there's

564
00:43:58,190 --> 00:44:02,930
a lot of recyclable products that are mixed together in one basket or a bin.

565
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:11,290
And the recycling materials recovery facilities have been designed to deal with that.

566
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:17,250
And that has been the way it's been since those new facilities were built the last 10 to 20 years.

567
00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:21,230
What's happened is the market has changed for recycling products.

568
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:37,430
And the last contamination in other recycling products has really become a big issue that's affected the value of recycled paper, as well as just the cost of running the material recycling facilities.

569
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:42,970
So, Charlie can answer questions about that in a much more direct and experienced way than I can.

570
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:44,770
But that's the short version of this.

571
00:44:45,350 --> 00:44:51,190
The market has changed and they have made a request to the city to amend their contract

572
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:59,970
to stop collecting glass as part of the mixed recycling stream, and you would still...

573
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:28,420
So I have a two-part question. First off, is there a significant, uh, with, with emitting the contract, is there a cost savings or a cost decrease for the, uh, for the reduced service? There is not a reduced cost being offered.

574
00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:33,960
in order to really see when their cost of service really isn't changing and having to go

575
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,580
the same round.

576
00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:40,800
So unfortunately I understand it's a similar level of work on their side but I see it as

577
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,100
a decrease in service to Roswell residents.

578
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,760
I take a lot of pride and I know a lot of Roswell residents have a lot of pride in how

579
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,460
good Roswell is.

580
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:55,820
So what I'd be looking for or hoping for that we would be looking to not only this provider

581
00:45:55,820 --> 00:46:01,380
but other providers out there to see is there one that is able to recycle glasses

582
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:05,260
well whether that's all of the same large bin or if that means there needs to be a

583
00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:09,940
separate smaller bin for just glass but I instead of seeing that it can't be done

584
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:12,520
I prefer to just really look and see if there's a distinction.

585
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,180
In a moment Charlie, we'll let you come up and talk about those process challenges

586
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:21,140
that we've got to spend our hands up in questions that may have something similar

587
00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:27,280
I was thinking maybe going the other way that they could have a second truck go out for

588
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,160
the same cost just to pick up glass and then it would be totally separated and it would

589
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,080
be totally clean.

590
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:39,320
In the health of that too, Charlie as well, but I believe short version is it could be done

591
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:46,120
to run a solely-do-the-sector ground, well that would have to be handled when the contract

592
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:46,680
changes.

593
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,700
It wasn't that long ago that we actually had to bring glass to the second center, right?

594
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,380
I remember doing that.

595
00:46:55,460 --> 00:46:58,460
When did that change that we actually started picking it up curbside?

596
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,900
Well initially we had trucks that had separate bins when we were collecting glass.

597
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,720
It wasn't a separate bin.

598
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:06,280
That's it.

599
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:07,000
Maybe that's what I remember.

600
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,200
I thought I remember bringing it to the site, the recycling center regularly.

601
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,240
So what a great one.

602
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:11,660
Right.

603
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,440
So if we change that and you bring it to the recycling center that had to be separated by

604
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,880
color at that point. So it's not even, yeah, I'm looking at Jen, I'm sorry.

605
00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:29,920
When it comes to people who bring it now, and they've seen a big increase in glass because

606
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:37,780
we are actually the last metro Atlanta cities who still have large curfews. Everybody else

607
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:44,640
has dropped it, so they've seen huge increase. And when it comes to the center, it's color

608
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,120
Okay.

609
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:45,440
Okay.

610
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:49,940
Because for whatever reason, I think glass is probably my first or second recycling

611
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:50,900
item.

612
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,480
Darker colors.

613
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:55,160
Sure.

614
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,540
Do you want to respond to some of the questions?

615
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:03,540
It's always been hyped as the best one for easiest return and use, and also the highest

616
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,020
paid for coming in.

617
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:05,900
It used to be that way.

618
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,520
But once I get counsel for them, and I'm sorry, I didn't mean it.

619
00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:14,160
So, as I remember, the recycle that they pick up, we don't get paid for the material, but

620
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,740
But we do get paid when people take it to the recycle center.

621
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,020
So is it possible we'll actually see a pretty good increase in our income based on this

622
00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:22,600
or something?

623
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,240
The more we do this, but glass means fairly steady, but it's not real high.

624
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:32,140
But if you're seeing more people start bringing it to the recycle center, that's income versus

625
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:32,900
not income.

626
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:33,400
Yeah.

627
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:34,500
Recycle material.

628
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,480
Charlie's late.

629
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:41,280
Hey, I'm excuse me, I'm trying to say I'm an advanced disposal and I'm going to bring you that.

630
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:43,160
Do you want to ask, Charlie, come on up.

631
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:52,320
That's better than his next council member, Diamond.

632
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,060
Yeah, I got it.

633
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,440
I think that's about eight years ago.

634
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,260
Glash has always been a challenge in so much as,

635
00:49:00,740 --> 00:49:04,520
in the early, early days, when we first got into business, my family,

636
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:07,160
we used to have trucks where you separated by a color.

637
00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:09,960
It just took a lot of time and a lot of very expensive.

638
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:16,080
Then the industry got together and they decided that they would implement these material recovery facilities

639
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:22,340
where the material could be collected at the house, all together compacted, brought to the facility and separated there,

640
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,360
which would enable them to stay on the route longer and reduce the cost of collection considerably.

641
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:33,180
It worked fine for a while, but what was happening with the glass, the glass was getting broken as it was dumped in the back of the truck

642
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:38,240
can go on up the lines and it would cut belts and the conveyor belts and it was also very

643
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,320
dangerous for the people who were picking and separating the material.

644
00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:47,920
So what they did then was they came in, they we installed a breaker at the front of

645
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,100
the line and it actually breaks the bottles and the bottles fall down through a screen which

646
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:54,280
gets it out of the, what the material is sooner.

647
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,900
The problem with that is you have things like bottled caps and swizzle sticks and straws

648
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:04,640
that also fell down in there, and that created the problem for the processor, because the

649
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,820
processor was trying to process it, getting it ready for the end user, oh, it's corning

650
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:12,780
for fiberglass and carpet back in, things of that nature.

651
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,080
So the end user said, you've got to clean it up, we can't take it anymore.

652
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,800
The processor comes to us and said, you've got to clean it up, we can't take it anymore,

653
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,880
and we're pretty much coming to y'all sand, we just can't take it anymore.

654
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,060
At this, the way it is currently being collected and done.

655
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,500
It would be very expensive to send out another truck to pick up this material just because right now

656
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:42,840
I think we're at and I'm not 100% sure on this but I think we're somewhere around $2.56 per month, per household for recycling.

657
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:48,740
I am proud to say that my family owned the business in the beginning we actually required by advanced.

658
00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:55,900
I have been able to keep that price for eight years. You all have not had an increase of any kind in eight years.

659
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:59,960
So, to answer the question, could we reduce the price?

660
00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:02,360
I just don't see that at this time.

661
00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:09,120
Even though I understand the question, I just don't think it's feasible, because we do

662
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,180
have to go by every half-still, and we still go through the same process.

663
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:18,540
And one more quick thing is, and what's happening in the industry, too, is I don't know if you

664
00:51:18,540 --> 00:51:23,260
all realize it, but Georgia is one of the largest paper recycling states in the country.

665
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:30,040
We have more mills here than anywhere else and when this glass gets mixed into that paper now they're starting to complain and sand

666
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:37,580
We want to glass out so we're going to reduce the value of this material cardboard paper and things of that nature, so it's kind of a

667
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:39,180
Cascading effect

668
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:49,860
So is the issue primarily in metro areas because I was telling them that my mother was in Gainesville and they still accept glass

669
00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:52,680
You know what's happening is there are

670
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:58,460
An arm aware of the metro area. There are four mercy material curvy facilities advanced owns one which is in

671
00:51:58,460 --> 00:52:00,920
South or South County up near McFarland Road

672
00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:03,960
waste for owns another one overall full industrial

673
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,440
Rock 10 owns one overall of

674
00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:14,000
County services road and cop county and then Pratt industries owns one in Congress

675
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:16,660
Whoever's picking up in

676
00:52:18,220 --> 00:52:22,760
They're taking it to one of those facilities, and if they're taking it there, they may accept

677
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,820
it, but they've started charging for the materials.

678
00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:28,800
So in other words, where it used to be, you'd be bringing in pretty much, and we could

679
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,400
make the money off of it, separating the materials and selling the materials, now you actually

680
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,680
have a tip feed like you do when you take garbage in.

681
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:41,220
It's finally understanding that tip feeds are now approaching $34, $36 a time, but recycling,

682
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,420
which is actually higher than garbage being taken into the landfill.

683
00:52:45,420 --> 00:52:51,640
So, wherever they may still be taking it, and we have a, the regional VP for our company

684
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:59,680
said that the glass industry has finally gotten the word, the end processors, I mean, the

685
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,540
end users have gotten the word, the haulers have gotten the words, and we're hoping to

686
00:53:02,540 --> 00:53:07,140
sit in counties, we can all get together, they've actually formed a glass recycling coalition

687
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,860
and everybody's getting together to try to come up with a solution for this, because the

688
00:53:12,860 --> 00:53:15,880
The glass processors and end users don't want to lose their material.

689
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:21,720
That's very important for like Roswell, y'all, above all the cities around, y'all are probably

690
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:25,540
in one of the best shape, just because you do have a great recycling center where people

691
00:53:25,540 --> 00:53:28,260
can continue to bring the material in and have a process.

692
00:53:29,380 --> 00:53:34,360
So you know, optimistically, I'm always optimistic, I hope we can figure out a way but unfortunately

693
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:40,820
there's always a cost to everything and so right now the most efficient effective way to

694
00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:42,900
to do it is just to get it out of the way stream.

695
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,300
The retail BP for our company said,

696
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,200
we understand the dilemma here.

697
00:53:47,420 --> 00:53:50,840
So he's prepared to continue to take it, if y'all agree,

698
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,760
but there would be a fee to take it in.

699
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,520
It would be $16 a ton, which is a lot less than 34,

700
00:53:58,020 --> 00:53:59,480
on all the recycling collected.

701
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,340
And y'all collect about 600 times a month.

702
00:54:01,340 --> 00:54:04,500
We collect about 600 times a month of y'all's material.

703
00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:06,160
What is that, Clayton?

704
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:08,220
$10,000 a month.

705
00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:09,240
About $10,000 a month.

706
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,280
for about an additional $0.40 a month.

707
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,860
Yes, about $0.40.

708
00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:14,720
That's not $0.40.

709
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,100
That's not $0.40.

710
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,200
Over at $2.50.

711
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:19,040
Correct.

712
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:21,500
That's the...

713
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:22,760
There were a couple of things...

714
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,380
I'm sorry.

715
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:24,980
A couple of things I want to say about that also.

716
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,680
First of all, he doesn't want to come in for about any more

717
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,100
than about six months, because he's afraid that when other

718
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,480
companies and cities cut out the glass, the paper and the

719
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,760
material coming in will be so much higher quality than our

720
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:44,200
paper that the end-users for our paper would start deducting given us money for

721
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,900
that so he'll do it for about a six-month period and the other thing is not

722
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:49,440
just forgot what the other thing was.

723
00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:52,520
Tells the members of the product you had for that.

724
00:54:56,980 --> 00:55:00,880
What's the experience been that once you say no then people still gonna throw in

725
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,220
there I imagine for a certain amount of time how does that happen I assume?

726
00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:11,880
And that is when we hope, and if, depending on what you all decide today or at a later point,

727
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:17,820
we will work very closely with the rise over, keep rather beautiful, rather recycling

728
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:21,460
center and the city itself, and educate people on what to do.

729
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:26,500
I don't, I can't speak for what the enforcement aspect are going to be because I'm not in that

730
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:29,080
position, but I just don't see it's leaving the material.

731
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:34,320
But I do think we're going to put on a very strong educational type program to try

732
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,640
We have a 20, 20, 60 rule, 20 of the people will never do it.

733
00:55:39,580 --> 00:55:41,440
20 of the people, 20 of the people will always do it.

734
00:55:41,540 --> 00:55:43,280
60% are kind of up in the air.

735
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,120
How much you teach them.

736
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:46,720
Okay.

737
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:52,120
So I see that, you know, we have probably now four kind of options.

738
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,720
One is to start bringing the glass to the recycle center.

739
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,880
The other one is maybe pay $0.40 more bill per month.

740
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,360
And just keep it as it is right now.

741
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:11,110
Another one is option is bring into like a regional big

742
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:17,000
container, like a supermarket parking lot that people need by the house that can go down the

743
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,560
glass in there. And the fourth one is thinking outside the box.

744
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:26,380
And we use, we're used to have two different bins.

745
00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:32,320
you know what we've been here for many years, we're used to put paper in one and cans and glass in another one.

746
00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:40,640
So what about if we start doing this again and every other week we get a, one week we get the paper,

747
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,540
the next week we get the glass, the next week we get the paper again and we keep it going like that.

748
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:52,660
You think the volume in the garage will be enormous to keep it for two weeks the paper because it's not,

749
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:58,700
He's not a perishable, that's it, it's meld, so do you think this could be an alternative

750
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:00,200
thinking outside the box or?

751
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:04,920
I don't know how long I think I am, but I've been doing this 45 years and I'll be

752
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,060
honest with you that it makes all the sense to hear you say it the way you just said it,

753
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:14,180
but I can promise you the person will get confused and they'll put one out and forget the other

754
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:16,700
and the next thing you know that we call him and can you come back and get my recycling

755
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:21,540
that's full and I just remembered what I said, so I think it would be difficult to do

756
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:21,740
that.

757
00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:39,240
The one thing that I forgot to say about, even if y'all decide to charge the 40 cents per house to allow it to continue as it's being right now, if we do that, there's a good chance a lot of that material will wind up not being recycled and will be put in the landfill.

758
00:57:39,580 --> 00:57:46,500
And the reason being is we still can't market the material with the contamination in the way it's being done right now.

759
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,620
So it's going to, I know that in North Carolina they've got some grants from the state,

760
00:57:50,620 --> 00:57:55,280
or there's different types of equipment being developed to help separate the glass with

761
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,500
optical sorters and things of this nature, very, very expensive, but that's further down

762
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:00,840
the road.

763
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:06,340
And the advance is committed to, well, I'll always be looking at those options, but for right

764
00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:07,940
now it's, it's pretty much-

765
00:58:07,940 --> 00:58:13,340
As you were saying, the best way to get glass recycled is to, the only way really to recycle

766
00:58:13,340 --> 00:58:17,960
cycle glass right now effectively is not to pay more but to take it to the city.

767
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:18,680
That's it.

768
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:19,520
Actually what I'm saying.

769
00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:21,720
Paying more is not going to recycle anymore.

770
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:22,180
It's not going to.

771
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:25,020
It's just going to keep the same system relevant for another six months.

772
00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:26,320
I also remember that.

773
00:58:26,620 --> 00:58:27,080
I don't know.

774
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:30,460
It was one of my concerns because we've gotten emails from people who've seen the stories

775
00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:34,700
on the news about cities say, okay, we'll take your recycling and they don't actually recycle

776
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:34,940
it.

777
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,520
So the people I've been hearing from are more concerned that it's actually being recycled

778
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,100
and used.

779
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:42,840
and that's a justified concern.

780
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,860
We have found other uses for glass as an aggregate

781
00:58:46,860 --> 00:58:48,680
on road beds and things of that nature,

782
00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:50,340
on our facilities.

783
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,260
But is that really recycling?

784
00:58:52,460 --> 00:58:55,180
It's really reusing, sort of, so to speak.

785
00:58:55,380 --> 00:58:58,280
So I wouldn't consider recycling so much.

786
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,580
Kelsa, what would you like about it?

787
00:58:59,820 --> 00:59:01,940
So I still haven't started going back

788
00:59:01,940 --> 00:59:04,300
to just thinking about the residents, think about how

789
00:59:04,820 --> 00:59:06,280
we're really always trying to work hard

790
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,780
to make sure things are competing with them.

791
00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:13,900
In an example, what we've had is it's very convenient through with the recyclable products.

792
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:20,400
It's picked up for them, they actually do it, there's the service we've been receiving.

793
00:59:20,740 --> 00:59:25,540
I just have a lot of concerns in saying that okay, where are you going to start, continue

794
00:59:25,540 --> 00:59:29,960
to pay the same exact price, but give them a lot less service and more convenience.

795
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:36,560
that we're looking to increase their points just because of the challenges.

796
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:43,000
I really just want to get some more research from public works to really understand

797
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,980
you know it's a fine school we are, other solutions out there that we're not.

798
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,820
Technology up there, or something different.

799
00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:55,000
I just hate the idea of saying that okay, anytime a service provider is going to have a new challenge

800
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,980
we'll just go ahead and amend the contract to create a better community.

801
00:59:58,980 --> 00:59:59,560
That's nice.

802
01:00:03,220 --> 01:00:32,920
So going with Mr. Owlin's thought, which I think he was joking, but if you take a second pick up, obviously, just to double the cost. Come around and get picked last. I think not as much, but it would be close. And, you know, and you're not, you're reducing service in what, how that material handled, all they do is instead of putting in this container, you put it in this container. Well, trash. Right, right. But we pick, you know, I say we, the city picks up the trash, we do the recycling. So the services they get to recycle.

803
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:39,300
I'm not just starting on the right, is there any, there's no way to have a second container

804
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:39,640
or a third.

805
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:44,620
I guess if you're talking trash recycling for glass that can be picked up either on the

806
01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:52,360
same truck that has a new element to it, that's just too much to, you know, it's, I'm not

807
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:53,680
aware of it right now.

808
01:00:54,220 --> 01:00:59,780
I know that in Decatur, for instance, Decatur is the kind of city who really, really wants

809
01:00:59,780 --> 01:01:00,340
to recycle.

810
01:01:00,340 --> 01:01:03,220
And we're not by any means saying that there's not a market for the glass.

811
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,040
There's a market for the glass just got to be prepared separately.

812
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:14,720
I know that Decatur with their contractor has decided to pay an extra $25 a year, two

813
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,820
dollars in whatever that is per month, to have that material picked up separately.

814
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:24,180
But that in essence would double, just about double what the residents are currently paying

815
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,200
for their service.

816
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:40,640
If you think it's going to be a real inconvenience for the residents and you don't think they're going to care that it's not being recycled, then you have the option of 40 cents a house.

817
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,620
I really believe and I hope that because I'm in the city of Atlanta and that's basically what they told us.

818
01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:52,040
they said, waste probe picked a process and they said we no longer can market a material.

819
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,200
The city just came around and said, well, we're going to continue to put it in there,

820
01:01:56,380 --> 01:01:57,380
but it's going to be landfill.

821
01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:00,700
And if you have a problem with that, then you need to take it somewhere else.

822
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:06,080
Mr. Spada said about setting up separate locations for materials.

823
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,180
I would highly advise against that only because if it's not a man facility where you can open

824
01:02:11,180 --> 01:02:15,840
and close it, because typically what happens there is people, they start off really nice

825
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,200
and do everything you're supposed to.

826
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,800
Next thing, you've got garbage, six of us out.

827
01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:20,560
It just becomes a real mess.

828
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,420
But then finally, with the glass I assume

829
01:02:23,420 --> 01:02:26,100
that the volume would decrease substantially

830
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:27,760
versus what you just put at your curb

831
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,540
versus what you have to bring to the cycling center,

832
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,500
the amount that comes in, what's been the...

833
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:36,620
It is, we think by weight, there's 600 tons a month,

834
01:02:36,940 --> 01:02:42,120
and we think by weight, it's about 200 tons is glass.

835
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:47,900
Right, but I mean what's been the experience of those who've changed to where you have to bring it personally

836
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:54,960
I would think the amount coming in is going to drop substantially versus what you just put at your curve versus if you have to go to the second center

837
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:57,400
Right

838
01:02:58,220 --> 01:03:00,600
Right, because that been 50% drop

839
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:06,240
Well now we don't run the recycling center. I know you don't but what those the cities have changed their policies

840
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:10,500
What has been their experience? Oh this is due to the last this is all taking place right now

841
01:03:11,060 --> 01:03:14,880
What's happening? If you're in the city of Atlanta, I don't have an off. I don't have a recycling

842
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:21,440
center. So, if I want to recycle gas, I'd have to load it up and come to Roswell. So, there's

843
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,300
really no options for us. Other than just to continue putting in the recycling bin, with

844
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:27,160
the knowledge that's going into the landfill.

845
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:28,560
You could move to Roswell?

846
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:37,020
Well, we may get more people from the areas going to recycling center, even though we get less

847
01:03:37,020 --> 01:03:42,080
of our people driving up there, and then our tipping season will go up because more

848
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,260
that will go into our garbage.

849
01:03:44,060 --> 01:03:45,700
So how much of our tipping fees per time?

850
01:03:47,950 --> 01:03:48,910
$32.95?

851
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:56,150
It'll be about, the way our not figure about $3600 a month increase in the tipping fees.

852
01:03:59,190 --> 01:04:05,870
And if we go this way, what has been put together, or have you started putting together an

853
01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:11,590
educational program and who's doing it who's paying for it and how are we going to go about it and we've only got what you said

854
01:04:11,590 --> 01:04:15,950
This is October 1st. What we are yeah, a month or so of educational

855
01:04:19,870 --> 01:04:22,430
Initially got this request. We talked about

856
01:04:29,330 --> 01:04:32,150
Advanced disposal has gone through the cycle and other

857
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:42,750
thought, you know, we could maybe do it a little quicker, but we were in system 908 time frame,

858
01:04:42,970 --> 01:04:49,590
just to get to this process, so that's how we ended up in targeting October 1. The educational

859
01:04:49,590 --> 01:04:56,110
materials are largely prepared and drought-borne, and it's

860
01:04:59,950 --> 01:05:02,510
been sort of, we've been through the drill,

861
01:05:02,930 --> 01:05:08,190
the advanced disposal and their experience and other jurisdictions that they have a lot of material,

862
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:22,540
and how has it worked in your other communities as far as the education to the public as far as

863
01:05:22,540 --> 01:05:23,560
still getting glass?

864
01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:25,620
They, it's getting better.

865
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:31,660
I mean, there's still issues with, still dirty initially, but they'll come a point where

866
01:05:31,660 --> 01:05:36,860
they'll, they'll draw the line, and they understand people just aren't going to stop, so they understand

867
01:05:36,860 --> 01:05:38,860
and it'll be a break-in period.

868
01:05:39,740 --> 01:05:41,780
But when X-Channey's 70,000 houses,

869
01:05:41,780 --> 01:05:43,260
they just stop thinking.

870
01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:45,560
And it will need, as I mentioned,

871
01:05:45,780 --> 01:05:47,520
we'll need the new sticker to go to the top of her.

872
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,520
It can, because it tells what you can put in it there.

873
01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:53,060
And we want her to reading somebody not paying attention.

874
01:05:53,220 --> 01:05:56,020
So we'll need new stickers for every one of those cans,

875
01:05:56,220 --> 01:06:00,280
which is about 22,000 to have some extras and so on.

876
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,840
But I'm wondering if we should

877
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:16,600
good or could do any kind of survey of citizens, if there's an interest of paying $2.50 more

878
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,180
per month to have that second truck go just for class.

879
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:31,200
Did you say that in fact would only guarantee that for about a six month period, just continuing

880
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:38,680
doing what we're currently doing. We could certainly put out a survey very easily to say would

881
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,000
you be willing to pay 40 cents for one of the month or whatever it is.

882
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:49,880
But that's not sustainable. No, second truck will be 250 a month, theoretically. We're

883
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:57,320
about 240 per house now, 256, 256. So as if they want to double their recycling fees, theoretically,

884
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,960
And that's where I was headed was I think you know we've I don't know that we have a real option in the short term

885
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:15,980
But the fact that we're not doing recycling glass for a while will give people a good input as to get feedback on whether or not

886
01:07:15,980 --> 01:07:18,360
They would pay extra to do that and I think you know

887
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:26,480
I was in razzle when they would come to your drive to your back door twice a week. So we've had to adjust with the times

888
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:31,860
and it's unfortunate and the bulletproof glass and lobby just makes me sad, but those are kind of

889
01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:36,460
things that have to happen in here, but I would love to have us talk about a second pick up,

890
01:07:36,540 --> 01:07:41,500
because I do think there might be a good amount of support for it. Do you know the majority,

891
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:46,660
if I'm sure everybody buys groceries, but everything pretty much goes into plastic. If you stop and

892
01:07:46,660 --> 01:07:50,780
think about it, everything's going to go into plastic versus plastic, but there are a lot of wine

893
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:06,640
I don't have any problem with going back and saying if it only makes sense, the one thing

894
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:07,900
is that it wouldn't be separated by color.

895
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,800
That's a very good one.

896
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,320
That's a very good one.

897
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,420
Is that practical?

898
01:08:16,620 --> 01:08:20,460
And that's what I'd have to do is go back and talk to them and see exactly what they're

899
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:21,880
talking about.

900
01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:25,640
You know, perhaps you could do that because I know when I come in on all those questions

901
01:08:26,580 --> 01:08:26,940
today.

902
01:08:27,260 --> 01:08:31,940
But so I might hear them and we want to put together and start making questions.

903
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,020
What is our deadline here?

904
01:08:34,820 --> 01:08:35,540
October now.

905
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,680
I don't know how that moves, obviously.

906
01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:42,320
Well, if this is something the road you want to explore, then I'll go back to them.

907
01:08:42,460 --> 01:08:45,300
I don't know.

908
01:08:46,380 --> 01:08:54,020
So what I was going to say is I'm wondering a lot of the questions about different individuals and I think it's, I think it's reason that we need to defer this discussion.

909
01:08:54,220 --> 01:09:15,200
I think I think staff, I would recommend that I would think staff should have some homework to find more information about what a survey potentially would look like, what the DTO costs are, the different choices, as well as what are some of the other more environmental friendly greenities doing indicator and elsewhere because I would like to see what our peers are doing.

910
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:19,460
and what's out there in the area of technology and solutions out there that hasn't been discussed.

911
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:26,300
But I think there's definitely some of a lot of valuable questions I heard and I think we should be looking at

912
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:32,300
before just automatically amending a contract to either increase our residence fees or increase their

913
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:37,600
service. I think that helps with the public. So, well, yeah, I think that we definitely need to

914
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,560
before this to get more information,

915
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:44,040
but that is a big change in the contract.

916
01:09:44,660 --> 01:09:46,880
And unfortunately, with the negative impact

917
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,120
for the regime of Roswell.

918
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:52,420
So being such a huge impact on the contract

919
01:09:52,420 --> 01:09:55,360
does it make sense to start looking around,

920
01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:59,480
opening beats for to see what else other companies offer

921
01:09:59,970 --> 01:10:04,440
in terms of to maintain the same level of service

922
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:05,960
and it's pretty much the same cost.

923
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,820
Because he's a big he's a big hit on the contract

924
01:10:08,820 --> 01:10:14,760
So I think for fiduciary responsibility the residents, I think he's one of the least just know and make sure we still aren't in the best deal

925
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:21,320
Which I think sounds like we are but we want to be sure right because he's you know, it's a big shift on the on the contract

926
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:48,820
There are some states that have positive requirement on glass, plastic, and aluminum cans.

927
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:55,940
Maybe that's something that should be proposed to our state legislature because in those

928
01:10:55,940 --> 01:11:04,860
particular states, you don't find glass bottles lying alongside the road or cans because even

929
01:11:04,860 --> 01:11:09,160
and the homeless people know that they can get a few extra dollars by collecting glass.

930
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,220
Ten cents a piece, man.

931
01:11:11,860 --> 01:11:12,720
Ten cents a piece, right?

932
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:13,300
He's a nurse.

933
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:14,220
No, I don't have the nurse.

934
01:11:14,420 --> 01:11:15,040
Tell them the homeless.

935
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:21,760
Michelle, I was just going to, yes, as far as other vendors and other bids.

936
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,580
I've been reading about this happening.

937
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:29,200
In fact, I approached Charlie several months ago and asked, you know,

938
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:30,900
we're not having an issue.

939
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:31,920
We're going to keep doing it.

940
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,140
At that point in time, he thought there's no problem going forward.

941
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:41,160
So what I'm trying to say is I think this is going to be basically industry-wide, because

942
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,320
it's a problem getting the processes.

943
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,980
So I don't think we'll find other sources to do it differently.

944
01:11:49,180 --> 01:11:53,880
It's a matter of all these other thoughts we've had about how we want to approach it.

945
01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:55,320
I think it's more of our issue.

946
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,480
Well, John, I think we've already just not picked up last.

947
01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:00,020
That's important.

948
01:12:00,020 --> 01:12:06,760
Another vendor would have to bring the material to us for privacy because we have the only facility in the north-side town.

949
01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:14,820
So I agree with what you're saying. Certainly, I would look and again, in fact, we haven't had any increase in the years.

950
01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:18,640
I tend to tell you, I think, that the next one's going to be a little bit higher.

951
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:29,050
So we've got some homework to do, we've got some of the dental survey questions, Charlie,

952
01:12:29,210 --> 01:12:31,330
you're going to go back and talk about the math about the math.

953
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:38,130
So is there a motion to refer to the contract change in this case?

954
01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:39,130
That's a good one.

955
01:12:39,210 --> 01:12:39,490
I'll turn it over.

956
01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:43,970
Thank you.

957
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:46,870
We'll give it to you about the case.

958
01:12:47,730 --> 01:12:48,950
Thank you so much.

959
01:12:49,850 --> 01:12:54,410
We'll be able to hold up on solid ways to ask the recognition of this year's

960
01:12:54,410 --> 01:12:58,490
recognition and parks item and we'll get you back here a little later.

961
01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:03,810
Moving to item number 7, which is consideration for the mayor and council to approve

962
01:13:03,810 --> 01:13:08,170
renaming Water Park Extension and Art Center on Fouts Road.

963
01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:12,570
However, the Rat Commission of Chair and Interior Division has requested that we

964
01:13:12,570 --> 01:13:14,870
approve the Art Center on Fouts Road.

965
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:19,610
and she's going to speak to that tonight and the only consideration would be the

966
01:13:19,610 --> 01:13:21,670
re-named of Waller Park and St. James Moore.

967
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:22,950
Great.

968
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:28,230
And I would like to point out that we don't now have Chairman Ewing, but we also have

969
01:13:28,230 --> 01:13:33,230
Theo Kyfer-Leyton and Jay Smoller, which tonight appreciate their support.

970
01:13:36,430 --> 01:13:43,410
The naming of several parts have been, the commission has been talking about, one of the

971
01:13:43,410 --> 01:13:47,250
facility that they were looking at was the art center that's currently located on

972
01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:53,270
Fouls Road just at East Rausel Park. At their work session and into the at the

973
01:13:53,270 --> 01:14:00,170
commission meeting there was a motion to rename that to our central Fouls and with

974
01:14:00,170 --> 01:14:04,930
the indication that we had information from the Rausel Front Arts Alliance that

975
01:14:04,930 --> 01:14:10,030
that name was okay. Rausel Front Arts Alliance had not met and they made contact

976
01:14:10,030 --> 01:14:16,510
with with Chairman Ewe and has that they revisit that with the recognition from the

977
01:14:16,510 --> 01:14:20,450
process planner for Ryan so they put it back on their work session and we'll bring

978
01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:24,790
bring bringing that forward to the next meeting. The one that is before you

979
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:29,530
deny is the renaming of the Wall of Park East inch below the park. I give you a

980
01:14:29,530 --> 01:14:33,330
little history about Wall of Park East inch and everybody I think everybody knows

981
01:14:33,330 --> 01:14:40,430
where Walla Parky is at the end of Austria, the property that had on Dodge Drive was owned

982
01:14:40,430 --> 01:14:50,210
by the city. And in order to do some work with certain grants, they needed to use, so

983
01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:54,770
it wouldn't start a new project. At the time, it decided to call that Walla Park Extension

984
01:14:54,770 --> 01:14:59,730
so they could tie onto a grant. It has since been called Walla Park Extension for that day.

985
01:15:00,110 --> 01:15:29,930
And it gets confusing. Sometimes we have wall apartment, wall apartment extension. You know, those of us that have been here, you know, for a few years, know the difference. But people that are just in the town, or if they have a soccer game, or a basketball game at one of the locations, and they're not for me with it, they almost inherently always go to the wrong location. And they're usually the ones that are rather late that go to the wrong location. So the committee will go to that and we may need the wall apartment extension, but actually look at the possibility of taking wall

986
01:15:30,670 --> 01:15:49,710
and ground bridge, and making it one park, naming it one park, since they were all connected by the land, but because there's three different entrances and three different, you know, the parks are three different parks, the gargants, they decided that was not a good idea.

987
01:15:49,710 --> 01:15:55,110
So then the commission looked at just naming, well renamed the Wall of Park Extension using

988
01:15:55,110 --> 01:16:03,610
the naming part name and policy that was approved by both the commission and by the Mary Council

989
01:16:04,510 --> 01:16:11,370
through the process and bringing forward renamed the Wall of Park Extension the Grove Way

990
01:16:11,370 --> 01:16:12,110
Community Park.

991
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:18,690
Grove Way Community Park, if you look at the criteria, one of the things is historical

992
01:16:18,690 --> 01:16:23,550
the historical significance in the fabric of the community.

993
01:16:24,150 --> 01:16:28,190
We all know that the roadway community was a twist

994
01:16:28,190 --> 01:16:31,590
because the historically black section of Roswell,

995
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:35,950
as Roswell was growing up, the roadway community has always

996
01:16:35,950 --> 01:16:37,810
that name is stuck in that area.

997
01:16:38,210 --> 01:16:42,190
There is still a roadway community group that does things

998
01:16:42,190 --> 01:16:43,050
in the community.

999
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:46,570
And the commission thought that that would be a very

1000
01:16:53,930 --> 01:17:01,190
What is strange about it is that the actual Waller Park makes more sense to have that

1001
01:17:01,190 --> 01:17:08,670
neighborhood because that's in-broadway versus Waller Park Extension which is not further

1002
01:17:08,670 --> 01:17:09,090
away.

1003
01:17:09,650 --> 01:17:13,550
Was there any consideration to naming Waller Park,

1004
01:17:13,550 --> 01:17:16,470
for a boy in Navy and the Wall of Park Extension Wall of Park.

1005
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:19,790
No, because when you go back to the name of Wall of Park,

1006
01:17:20,030 --> 01:17:22,990
that's tied to the Wall of Family and tell the name of the property,

1007
01:17:23,490 --> 01:17:26,130
that Wall of Park is all. So then you get it to that.

1008
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:30,590
And that's, again, that's in that, um, in the criteria that

1009
01:17:30,590 --> 01:17:34,430
if a name of the park name was because of that and you can't change it.

1010
01:17:34,530 --> 01:17:38,270
So I agree with your, with your synopsis, but the reason that we have

1011
01:17:38,270 --> 01:17:41,930
Wall of Park is because of that. Still the neighbor. Mayor Wood, do you have your hand up?

1012
01:17:41,930 --> 01:17:45,890
I think it's fitting and just that we name it.

1013
01:17:46,050 --> 01:17:50,590
Groveway, Groveway is the oldest neighborhood association in the City of Rosalow.

1014
01:17:51,550 --> 01:17:55,590
It's honoring our African-American contribution of that community.

1015
01:17:56,330 --> 01:18:02,570
I think it would be great for the City of Rosalow to honor this and I'm a big supporter

1016
01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:05,930
of this naming, this Park Groveway.

1017
01:18:07,690 --> 01:18:12,390
I'm a supporter as well of many growing, I mean it's a great idea and it's very fitting.

1018
01:18:13,450 --> 01:18:20,210
My question is more around the community part of it, just like curiosity, just because

1019
01:18:20,210 --> 01:18:27,490
I think it's often easier when it's just a shorter game, I'm just wondering about the significance

1020
01:18:28,150 --> 01:18:33,830
of having the community piece of it, because it's just what a year of your thought, so the

1021
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:36,250
Just thoughts on having the three words you can tell?

1022
01:18:36,510 --> 01:18:41,450
Right, the commission had that very conversation during their meeting and the reason that

1023
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:50,250
Groveway Community Park was finally decided on is because throughout the 20 years I've

1024
01:18:50,250 --> 01:18:54,130
been here, I've never heard the word Groveway without community connected to it.

1025
01:18:54,210 --> 01:18:58,850
So when you say Groveway Community, that's just what that's the, that's how you identify.

1026
01:18:59,030 --> 01:19:03,310
Community is as much a part of it as a Groveway, it's the Groveway Community, it's the Grove

1027
01:19:03,310 --> 01:19:06,290
community groups, the growing community association.

1028
01:19:06,670 --> 01:19:08,550
So if we could start the accurate,

1029
01:19:08,770 --> 01:19:11,130
they thought the growing community party

1030
01:19:11,130 --> 01:19:12,770
would be the appropriate thing.

1031
01:19:13,190 --> 01:19:14,950
So now they did have that conversation with.

1032
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:17,990
Council member nine, well, when you look at our things,

1033
01:19:18,190 --> 01:19:19,310
they try to do the three letters

1034
01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:21,930
and when you're doing all the locations,

1035
01:19:22,190 --> 01:19:24,030
everything pretty much has three letters on it.

1036
01:19:24,150 --> 01:19:25,410
We get around while it part with that.

1037
01:19:25,490 --> 01:19:27,470
I forgot how I moved to move this.

1038
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:27,830
Okay.

1039
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:33,910
A motion may have to be Guilemon Secondor Btv papers, and item

1040
01:19:36,150 --> 01:19:38,150
Characters, exactly a wish of those members.

1041
01:19:38,150 --> 01:19:40,210
No motion may have to refer to the Federaluvov Board continues that.

1042
01:19:44,660 --> 01:19:45,080
January 20, Macaton.

1043
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:49,040
Justice Council Pass me the tram which was decided on was the advisory council board.

1044
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:13,980
That was approved by the elected.

1045
01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:16,440
And I want to just start off with a quick introduction.

1046
01:20:16,700 --> 01:20:19,160
The Department of Community Affairs and the State of Georgia

1047
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,560
has a number of requirements that local governments

1048
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,560
are required to keep up to date on.

1049
01:20:25,260 --> 01:20:27,980
And Solid Waste Management Plan is one of those.

1050
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,280
The law changed a few years ago.

1051
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:32,720
They used to actually read these and keep them on file.

1052
01:20:32,940 --> 01:20:35,520
Now they just require us to update them.

1053
01:20:35,660 --> 01:20:37,740
I believe it's five years.

1054
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:43,870
Back in April, we came in and bring you

1055
01:20:43,870 --> 01:20:49,450
on a solid waste business plan, and this is somewhat similar, but this is a regulatory

1056
01:20:49,450 --> 01:20:54,130
driven document, so it has some very specific items that the state wants to see.

1057
01:20:54,330 --> 01:21:00,810
And if you go to the first slide, these up, and what we've done is this really just summarizes

1058
01:21:00,810 --> 01:21:07,810
what's in the document itself. It's a 15-20-page document, and rather dry, but I have a copy of

1059
01:21:07,810 --> 01:21:12,510
And here it can be on the website tomorrow for public review and comment, is our plan.

1060
01:21:13,690 --> 01:21:19,390
But we are required to maintain one of these we've had ones for about a decade or longer

1061
01:21:19,390 --> 01:21:20,670
than this is just an update.

1062
01:21:21,330 --> 01:21:26,870
Most of it is drawn straight from our business plan on a broad range of goals that we have

1063
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:28,110
for the next 10 years.

1064
01:21:28,370 --> 01:21:31,270
There are some very specific things that the state wants to see.

1065
01:21:32,030 --> 01:21:37,150
And most of it revolves around adequate capacity to dispose of our solid waste.

1066
01:21:37,150 --> 01:21:47,210
Next slide, we have about seven required components of the plan, and that's what these

1067
01:21:47,210 --> 01:21:48,390
next slides go through.

1068
01:21:48,610 --> 01:21:51,550
We're required to include a waste disposal stream analysis.

1069
01:21:51,970 --> 01:21:54,230
We included that in a business plan, no change.

1070
01:21:54,490 --> 01:21:57,670
We keep this up and have been doing it for quite a number of years.

1071
01:21:58,250 --> 01:21:59,010
Next slide.

1072
01:21:59,530 --> 01:22:06,370
Waste reduction, this summarizes all of our recycling efforts and efforts to reduce waste

1073
01:22:06,370 --> 01:22:13,250
going through how we do recycling both herb side and the recycling center, and just

1074
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:17,430
other programs that we do to reduce our waste stream and encourage the waste

1075
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:24,410
reduction. Next slide. How waste is collected? So just what streams are collected,

1076
01:22:24,690 --> 01:22:32,900
how it's done, where it goes, and a program for illegal dumping as well. And all of

1077
01:22:32,900 --> 01:22:36,420
these things are things we had in place. So just documents that we do all of these

1078
01:22:36,420 --> 01:22:43,100
things and have a collection program to slide. Finally, disposal, this is one of the key

1079
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:49,360
elements of the plan, just confirming that we have places identified and that adequate

1080
01:22:49,360 --> 01:23:00,080
capacity exists in those disposal vendors or landfills. So another question that the state

1081
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:06,340
wants to know is, could you or do you have room for any additional landfills or solid waste

1082
01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:07,460
Yeah, it goes with facilities.

1083
01:23:07,940 --> 01:23:07,960
Yeah.

1084
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:13,680
A real quick answer to not getting to slide is absolutely not.

1085
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:14,320
No way.

1086
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,120
There's lots of reasons.

1087
01:23:17,060 --> 01:23:22,480
We're also required to have public education and public involvement

1088
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:26,200
program, and we have one of the best I've ever seen.

1089
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:28,960
So that's just one of the great things that I've seen.

1090
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,280
I have a college community in all respects.

1091
01:23:33,260 --> 01:23:34,960
Finally, attend your work plan.

1092
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:41,700
So, this incorporates, we've incorporated all of our solid ways of business plan components.

1093
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:48,380
And in addition to those, the goals that we had to add that are required by the state DCA

1094
01:23:48,380 --> 01:23:54,540
requirements are the last three little bullets to review land limitation ordinances for any

1095
01:23:54,540 --> 01:23:57,480
changes annually with community developments.

1096
01:23:58,140 --> 01:23:58,980
That's not going to change.

1097
01:23:58,980 --> 01:24:04,440
I don't see us giving any more land available, but our land limitation is probably going

1098
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:06,820
to be in place as long as we are here.

1099
01:24:07,420 --> 01:24:09,540
Monitoring changes in landfill regulations,

1100
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,640
we do that routinely, but it's mostly

1101
01:24:12,220 --> 01:24:13,900
to keep track of our suppliers

1102
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:17,140
and their available capacity in places

1103
01:24:17,140 --> 01:24:19,680
where we currently call and dispose of waste.

1104
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,200
And maintaining current and accurate records,

1105
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,060
the amount of waste collected that we do that

1106
01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:26,260
will continue to do.

1107
01:24:26,260 --> 01:24:31,540
Next slide, the only action item that we are recommending

1108
01:24:31,540 --> 01:24:33,480
or need to follow through here

1109
01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:40,100
is to formally public comments and review this document that we put together that summarized

1110
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:45,560
this which we begin tomorrow on the website and is available now for anyone who would like

1111
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:46,260
to review it.

1112
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:53,000
Janet will be collecting and documenting comments, questions, comments that come in and then

1113
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:59,100
we would bring a resolution to you in August 22nd hopefully to approve the plan because it

1114
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:01,580
to be an approved plan, and then we would need a press to

1115
01:25:01,580 --> 01:25:05,900
go on our website and notify it to CA that we updated our

1116
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:10,860
plan. That's really what I'd like to close with and answer any

1117
01:25:10,860 --> 01:25:11,700
questions that we got.

1118
01:25:12,060 --> 01:25:12,680
No, move on.

1119
01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:14,560
Mr. Major, the resolution forward.

1120
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:15,900
Second.

1121
01:25:16,380 --> 01:25:17,040
All the pilots.

1122
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:19,240
Thank you.

1123
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:19,480
Thank you.

1124
01:25:20,380 --> 01:25:23,160
We'll be back to administration side of number three,

1125
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:52,420
Thank you very much for the discussion about the kind of usage of the positions that we currently have, one of those being the full time position of the executive assistant for council and the ability to really use that position more for the support.

1126
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:59,860
individual, each of you individual council members, one of the ways that we can free up that

1127
01:25:59,860 --> 01:26:06,860
position to be able to provide more support to you guys is working through the process of agenda,

1128
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:11,980
meeting minutes and physically putting the agendas together and those type of things.

1129
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:19,380
And with that, the recommendation is to put together part time, bringing part time transcription

1130
01:26:19,380 --> 01:26:34,840
sent to the city so that they can do all the transcribing of committee meetings and put together the packets for these packets for these meetings, which would free up the time for your executive system out to be able to do more.

1131
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,960
So, I'll take some requests for some research and some other things to be done.

1132
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:45,100
For councils to hold the S.D. cost associated with bringing in a part time of transcription

1133
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:47,680
is $14,942.

1134
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:49,960
And we can certainly provide those.

1135
01:26:50,140 --> 01:26:54,160
But if they're a legitimate, do the general cannot bring out any contingency of some

1136
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:54,560
desire?

1137
01:26:55,740 --> 01:26:56,540
Council were done.

1138
01:26:57,300 --> 01:27:00,420
So, I'm not sure what some members of council expressed.

1139
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,960
I guess I'd like to understand, it wasn't very long ago, this position was part-time,

1140
01:27:06,460 --> 01:27:10,860
and now we're talking about a person in a half, so I'd like to understand why.

1141
01:27:12,060 --> 01:27:14,380
Sure, so I'd like to actually respond to that.

1142
01:27:14,980 --> 01:27:19,080
So for clarification, it was actually a short period of time, part-time.

1143
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,820
The number they offered, it was always full-time.

1144
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:28,380
There was less than a year period or part-time, and then it was quickly moved back into full-time.

1145
01:27:28,380 --> 01:27:35,200
And with that, I think what you have, there's, what I'm seeing is, is multiple factors,

1146
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:41,440
obviously there's a, there's a lot of council members that would prefer seeing more support

1147
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:45,900
for both, say council as well as the engagement with the community.

1148
01:27:46,460 --> 01:27:51,920
And I think, I think what we have here is a very engaged council that must be very engaged

1149
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:59,340
with the residents and staff to really make sure the response is possible and so I

1150
01:27:59,340 --> 01:28:04,780
think one clarification Mr. Fisher, I think what we discussed was it would deal

1151
01:28:04,780 --> 01:28:12,400
with having the executive assistant continue to do the packets but instead I

1152
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,380
think it was discussed the transcriptionists were these specifically four

1153
01:28:15,380 --> 01:28:19,580
minutes both for for the committee minutes as well as I think he said there

1154
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:26,420
some other systems you felt that other members of staff could use but I think I think it really

1155
01:28:26,420 --> 01:28:34,780
comes down to you that you have six individuals that do require assistance and limited a limited amount

1156
01:28:34,780 --> 01:28:40,380
of assistance that you give them and I think with this council as well you have more individuals

1157
01:28:40,380 --> 01:28:48,360
than perhaps in the past where people actually have full time jobs right now I think I think I've

1158
01:28:51,460 --> 01:29:01,300
You don't know what the report is, but I guess my point would be we had part time one council

1159
01:29:01,300 --> 01:29:06,620
member wanted to have someone sitting at the desk when she needed somebody.

1160
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:07,880
It was not about workload.

1161
01:29:08,420 --> 01:29:14,720
It was having somebody on call at the time and I'm having I'm going to have trouble explaining

1162
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:19,540
to the taxpayers why in the history of the city I would disagree that we haven't always had an

1163
01:29:19,540 --> 01:29:23,940
engaged council and that we haven't always wanted to be responsible to the citizens or that we

1164
01:29:23,940 --> 01:29:31,000
haven't all had full-time jobs, kids at home and things other things going on. I don't know what's

1165
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:45,270
changed other than the people. So what is so much different that can't be done. I mean I do you know

1166
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:49,290
to work to it and a certain amount of time involved, and sometimes that's at night, sometimes

1167
01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:54,790
that's on the weekends, you do what you need to do, but this is a cost to the taxpayers

1168
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:56,390
to offset your time.

1169
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:58,410
So actually I'm glad you brought it up.

1170
01:30:00,050 --> 01:30:30,030
I know what I'm going to say quickly is I think sort of that's been different as you have so many with all respect, council member, or you have some members that do take a good amount of service, and do get a good amount of assistance and support. And so when you have additional people trying to get that level of support, it's difficult when you have individuals that have already getting the support, that's one thing I want to respond to. Another thing is to be honest, my preference, you bring up the tax money for

1171
01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:31,690
or at $15,000 per year.

1172
01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:33,970
My preference is actually that we not

1173
01:30:34,330 --> 01:30:36,090
do a budget amendment.

1174
01:30:36,230 --> 01:30:37,990
I can't support it if that staff's recommendation.

1175
01:30:38,590 --> 01:30:39,630
I do want to support it,

1176
01:30:39,790 --> 01:30:41,130
but what we currently have, again,

1177
01:30:41,250 --> 01:30:43,650
we have six part-time individuals

1178
01:30:43,650 --> 01:30:45,910
that are absolutely all six training

1179
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:47,730
and full-time road would be out of the city.

1180
01:30:48,150 --> 01:30:49,470
Whereas in what we have is,

1181
01:30:49,670 --> 01:30:51,990
we have multiple executive assistance

1182
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:54,430
to partner and supporting full-time people

1183
01:30:54,430 --> 01:30:55,490
and full-time staff.

1184
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:56,890
We also have of course,

1185
01:30:57,130 --> 01:30:58,690
the mayor being a part-time individual

1186
01:30:58,690 --> 01:31:05,730
with executives as well. My preference would really be to find other support within staff

1187
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:10,470
in which case there's no need to increase the cost but without a staff's recommendation.

1188
01:31:11,410 --> 01:31:12,870
Council members, upon it.

1189
01:31:13,410 --> 01:31:18,230
Yeah, like we put here on the agenda that, you know,

1190
01:31:20,820 --> 01:31:26,700
research is a big part. And I see

1191
01:31:26,700 --> 01:31:34,800
This opportunity, first because I noticed that our executive assistant is very good on

1192
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:43,760
research and we need research because we need to say with data, data, data, and we have

1193
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:44,140
to find.

1194
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:50,860
And also the most important here is that this executive assistant will be an information center

1195
01:31:51,280 --> 01:32:00,500
which does it mean? I would finish in a couple, I don't talk forever. So, so this person

1196
01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:04,680
will focus, we concentrate all the information. So, I found out that you know talking to

1197
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:09,580
my peers, they say, hey, I found this. Oh, I did the same thing. So, what happened? It's

1198
01:32:09,580 --> 01:32:14,200
very inefficient. So, I spent time looking for some information. Other city council members

1199
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:18,960
look the same information and begin or make a phone call and then I have you know

1200
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:23,760
staff answering the question twice or three times the same question because

1201
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,880
three people call at the same time you know different time for the same

1202
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:32,920
question and this is very inefficient and I'm all for an efficiency and you know

1203
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:38,760
14,942 dollars investment is an investment it's only cost I think we'll make

1204
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:47,420
with the new city council, work much more efficient and don't waste time chasing around

1205
01:32:47,420 --> 01:32:51,600
the same information when we have it in seating in one desk on a website.

1206
01:32:53,080 --> 01:33:00,500
Two things. One, what sort of information is this person gathering? And two, who is this

1207
01:33:00,500 --> 01:33:08,600
information going to? So, you know, after one, if there's information available, would

1208
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,800
like to see that information would like to see what those questions are. If there's

1209
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:18,800
information, let's share information. I have not seen any information that has come

1210
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:24,580
from this person. I have seen any of the questions that went to that person. So it's hard for

1211
01:33:24,580 --> 01:33:30,040
me to understand what information is being requested, what's being researched, who that information

1212
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:36,140
is going to, and what form is that information going out. So that would be, I'd like to hear

1213
01:33:36,140 --> 01:33:43,110
more. Could we ask the same for your assistant? Absolutely, because frankly I support in the council,

1214
01:33:43,290 --> 01:33:47,790
but I do think practically, you have three new members who haven't done this before. I imagine

1215
01:33:47,790 --> 01:33:52,710
there is more support needed. I also found, I don't know, you could probably say that since you asked

1216
01:33:52,710 --> 01:33:56,250
that question, I think I've actually asked for more things than I ever have in the past, whether

1217
01:33:56,250 --> 01:34:02,930
that's a triggered me is to think, hey, there's nobody to do some work. No one yet has shared with me

1218
01:34:02,930 --> 01:34:11,070
What information you're asking for? What information is being available and how it's being disseminated. So those are all just questions

1219
01:34:12,250 --> 01:34:15,670
And that you know, it would be helpful to hear those answers

1220
01:34:17,470 --> 01:34:21,710
As an example and this is not something that everybody on council would want

1221
01:34:21,710 --> 01:34:28,230
But it's something that I felt the need to have and that was I wanted to see some of the early maps

1222
01:34:28,850 --> 01:34:34,410
of the city of Roswell from when the city was first incorporated. I wanted to see how the land

1223
01:34:35,930 --> 01:34:42,370
divisions had taken place and so on. And so we got some of the maps from

1224
01:34:43,530 --> 01:34:52,890
one of the local residents, but we were able to have some of those maps put together with the GIS

1225
01:34:54,150 --> 01:35:03,530
program, and so we can see the progression of land distribution or land division through

1226
01:35:03,530 --> 01:35:10,230
the years, and that was something that I really didn't have access to, or that it was

1227
01:35:10,230 --> 01:35:14,870
something that took a lot of time, and I wanted that specifically, because I have an interest

1228
01:35:14,870 --> 01:35:22,570
in finding out what is the real historic district. I want to find out specifically what

1229
01:35:22,570 --> 01:35:29,030
assets? What historic assets do we have in this community? And it's part of what we're

1230
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:36,190
going to be moving forward with in terms of getting a grant for doing a historic asset

1231
01:35:36,190 --> 01:35:43,370
inventory. So it was a major effort on Katrina's part to get that information for me.

1232
01:35:43,630 --> 01:35:50,550
That's just one example. There are others too. And it just depends on where some of our

1233
01:35:51,230 --> 01:35:56,790
priorities are as individual council members and some of the things that we

1234
01:35:56,790 --> 01:36:02,390
want to find out about so that we can be more informed and and we didn't push

1235
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:06,830
policy. So is there any objection to sharing that information? No, I've got

1236
01:36:06,830 --> 01:36:12,530
that. We've got those maps now and we can certainly I don't know if everybody wants

1237
01:36:12,530 --> 01:36:16,210
copy of them but I've got two copies of my office. I think it would be when

1238
01:36:16,210 --> 01:36:22,910
And when research is done, which you blink is appropriate for the city, that the question

1239
01:36:22,910 --> 01:36:29,670
should be floated, the answer should be made available for all of us to share in that

1240
01:36:29,670 --> 01:36:30,270
information.

1241
01:36:30,710 --> 01:36:31,930
And I think that would be helpful.

1242
01:36:33,090 --> 01:36:36,290
We might need a part, a full and part time person just for that.

1243
01:36:43,420 --> 01:36:54,740
I will expect to see on my desk the information that has been available recently, and I hope

1244
01:36:54,740 --> 01:36:59,700
if you all need anything from my office, my office is available to answer questions.

1245
01:37:00,300 --> 01:37:01,220
I always ask from it.

1246
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:02,560
What Robin does.

1247
01:37:02,740 --> 01:37:03,040
Absolutely.

1248
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:05,620
I want the same from what Robin does.

1249
01:37:05,620 --> 01:37:06,420
I did talk to Robin.

1250
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:07,500
Robin makes it available.

1251
01:37:07,980 --> 01:37:08,860
Well, talk to Katrina.

1252
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:10,140
She'll make it available to you.

1253
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:11,140
Okay.

1254
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:12,960
I'm afraid I'm going to post it on the phone.

1255
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:13,280
I do.

1256
01:37:14,260 --> 01:37:15,160
I'm afraid I'm going to post it on the phone.

1257
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,540
On Thursday, I'd like to meet with you and I'd like all the information that you're currently

1258
01:37:18,540 --> 01:37:19,380
collected available.

1259
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:21,460
I'm asking the same right now.

1260
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:22,040
I'm from Robin.

1261
01:37:22,180 --> 01:37:22,660
I'm second round.

1262
01:37:22,660 --> 01:37:25,440
Yeah, the same for Robin's on medical leave.

1263
01:37:25,820 --> 01:37:26,400
So, it makes it.

1264
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:26,520
Whoever.

1265
01:37:26,980 --> 01:37:28,700
Yeah, we do the same thing.

1266
01:37:30,100 --> 01:37:33,580
Okay, so I can appreciate it.

1267
01:37:33,580 --> 01:37:34,280
So, we'll come together.

1268
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:46,500
But I need a little clarification, so sometimes things that might come in the mayors of us are the same thing that go to you guys, like from a citizen who's asking about the status of something.

1269
01:37:46,940 --> 01:38:00,800
I'm assuming, but I like to assume anything. You don't mean those emails and things that go to mayor counsel, but if the mayor had requested, let's say, of staff to know how many by-pracks were in the city of your browser, we have provided that information.

1270
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,800
That would be the type of information you would want to share.

1271
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,880
Likewise, if you had asked Katrina how many bike racks

1272
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,300
were in the city of Rosal, that would be the information.

1273
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:13,880
I think the best way to do is when either one of those is just to share the information

1274
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:18,280
with Bayard Council on that email distribution unless it's something too big.

1275
01:38:18,380 --> 01:38:23,080
Like it is a map and then you might choose not to want to get a print out of a 60-page document

1276
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:28,340
or something so they'll need to be some coordination between Katrina and Robin.

1277
01:38:28,340 --> 01:38:33,740
In the interim, when Robin is out, here's why not my office is filling that role on an

1278
01:38:33,740 --> 01:38:34,380
interim basis.

1279
01:38:34,700 --> 01:38:38,640
So we have not had any such requests since Robin was out.

1280
01:38:38,740 --> 01:38:40,620
I can't speak for before Robin.

1281
01:38:41,900 --> 01:38:42,900
So we will get Robin.

1282
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,000
Generally, my request are not to Robin.

1283
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:45,800
Correct.

1284
01:38:46,020 --> 01:38:46,800
But stay out.

1285
01:38:47,940 --> 01:38:48,680
All right.

1286
01:38:48,900 --> 01:38:54,680
Much of it comes in the mayor's update meetings, which some of you do attend, obviously everybody

1287
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:55,460
can't attend.

1288
01:38:55,460 --> 01:39:01,440
so we can she does make those minutes available or her notes that the mayor

1289
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:04,500
provides for those meetings are

1290
01:39:05,060 --> 01:39:06,220
counseling with the product.

1291
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:07,200
What do you call them?

1292
01:39:07,340 --> 01:39:08,160
Me and everybody jumped in.

1293
01:39:09,540 --> 01:39:11,080
So, counseling with the Orleans.

1294
01:39:11,900 --> 01:39:13,260
Then counseling was a question.

1295
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:21,860
You know, I can see the research on kind of a strange request on the maps and so forth.

1296
01:39:22,420 --> 01:39:25,480
I guess I wonder if there's that much different type of research coming up.

1297
01:39:25,480 --> 01:39:28,900
Normally, when I've requested certain research,

1298
01:39:28,900 --> 01:39:31,320
it's a matter of her going back to the department

1299
01:39:31,820 --> 01:39:33,160
and it comes from a department,

1300
01:39:33,260 --> 01:39:36,900
not necessarily adds more, a lot of additional work

1301
01:39:36,900 --> 01:39:40,840
for the assistant or Katrina, whoever that may be.

1302
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,420
So I'm not sure we have ongoing research constantly.

1303
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,520
I mean, yes, pops up here there for something

1304
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,620
that may be outside of the department,

1305
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:52,600
but we do have all the backup of the departments

1306
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:54,060
and second help without its individuals.

1307
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:57,840
As far as engaging with the community,

1308
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,580
I mean, I'm out in the community on awful lot

1309
01:40:01,580 --> 01:40:03,580
and going to new businesses and talking to people

1310
01:40:03,580 --> 01:40:04,420
as much as I can.

1311
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:09,800
And I guess my concern would be that she is not

1312
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:11,640
used as an engagement with the community

1313
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,600
for political reasons or campaign reasons.

1314
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:14,700
That's not her purpose.

1315
01:40:14,980 --> 01:40:16,900
And that's not what she should be doing.

1316
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:19,420
So that is a concern.

1317
01:40:19,420 --> 01:40:23,100
So, I just, again, I'm trying to understand,

1318
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:29,160
you know, I run my own business, I've been

1319
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:35,380
working, I've done this part-time job full-time for a while and I'm trying to get a handle

1320
01:40:35,380 --> 01:40:43,580
on what all would be entailed that you guys are needing, other than maybe just educating

1321
01:40:43,580 --> 01:40:46,820
yourselves and getting in the role which would settle down after some time.

1322
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,660
So, for the, I think, a heart percent agree with you.

1323
01:40:52,780 --> 01:40:56,880
There are actually the engagement should not be heard in the

1324
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,220
affirmative or political campaign reasons,

1325
01:40:58,240 --> 01:40:59,460
which is the engagement in general.

1326
01:40:59,700 --> 01:41:02,320
It's more of supporting council to make sure

1327
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:05,180
that there is the ability to schedule and schedule an

1328
01:41:05,180 --> 01:41:08,000
incentive to be able to be engaged in community.

1329
01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:10,880
But you mentioned you know, you do things where you'll have

1330
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,460
her reach out to the department.

1331
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:15,000
And that's a perfect example of any other view that you

1332
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:20,240
should be doing. I think we have to remember is when when she's taking time to type up minutes

1333
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:24,380
and then when she's not doing that, she's doing one of those things for you. There's six of us.

1334
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:29,240
So the problem is with six of us, there's not that there's not that availability of all

1335
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:44,980
utilizing that minimal amount of time. And also I think I guess the part that I'm still not

1336
01:41:44,980 --> 01:41:51,440
well and also all six being very engaged, very active and we the six of us get

1337
01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:55,300
support from one half of the individual and then we have the again I go back

1338
01:41:55,300 --> 01:41:59,160
to the example where the mayor of part time the individual has one full-time

1339
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:04,220
resource staff department heads have one full-time one source and then again

1340
01:42:04,220 --> 01:42:08,260
as I go back to it there's six of us that are not all being able to get

1341
01:42:08,260 --> 01:42:11,620
our service in that for me there's a number of things that I could use help

1342
01:42:11,620 --> 01:42:14,700
in scheduling, in getting the answer through departments,

1343
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:16,420
that I need to do myself,

1344
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,340
or I'm not getting the answer out of the ways

1345
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:20,160
of being able to support residents,

1346
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,160
because again, you have one half a person

1347
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,840
being pulled in by six people.

1348
01:42:25,300 --> 01:42:28,000
And so, I'll stop that for now.

1349
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:28,940
That's because we're all good.

1350
01:42:29,860 --> 01:42:31,900
So well, I understand that different people

1351
01:42:31,900 --> 01:42:32,960
have different ways of working.

1352
01:42:33,780 --> 01:42:35,580
I'll have it, you know, depends.

1353
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:40,320
And no one said like, you need to utilize executive assistant

1354
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:46,260
like no one force you but it's available but other people think that it's more to be utilized

1355
01:42:46,260 --> 01:42:52,200
more and they can use it so you know everybody has to respect that different people have different

1356
01:42:52,200 --> 01:43:00,380
way of working different way to analyze things different way to come to a small decision and no one

1357
01:43:00,380 --> 01:43:06,180
has to force anybody and having the resource there but everybody has access to six people have

1358
01:43:06,180 --> 01:43:08,080
And no one is denying that it's to anybody.

1359
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,640
If someone doesn't want to use it, that's fine.

1360
01:43:11,980 --> 01:43:13,040
They are a choice.

1361
01:43:13,300 --> 01:43:16,760
But a lot of people on city council need to use more.

1362
01:43:16,940 --> 01:43:19,400
And I think the assistant thing is more

1363
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:24,040
that justifies less than $1,500 investment.

1364
01:43:26,180 --> 01:43:27,400
It's not just research.

1365
01:43:28,140 --> 01:43:29,000
It's not just research.

1366
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,640
I have constituents kind of give me

1367
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,180
frequently about certain issues, certain things.

1368
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:42,700
I may not know the best person to go talk to to get the thing resolved or get the answer

1369
01:43:42,700 --> 01:43:43,380
to the question.

1370
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:50,320
And so I give it to Katrina and she knows who to go to and she gets the information, gets

1371
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:50,880
it back to me.

1372
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:57,320
And if I happen to be tied up in business meetings in a tired morning or afternoon and I want

1373
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:02,060
to get that information out to that constituent, Katrina can get that out for me right away.

1374
01:44:02,060 --> 01:44:05,340
So there's, it's a matter of service because they're doing as well.

1375
01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:13,360
So in the past, one of our practices, and I don't know if it's a policy, if you have

1376
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:18,780
a project that's going to take a lot of staff time, we talk about it because it may not

1377
01:44:18,780 --> 01:44:25,140
be something all of us want to go that direction and to use staff resources of any staff on something

1378
01:44:25,140 --> 01:44:29,920
that may not have any support in the group, it's something that we always talk about.

1379
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:34,860
And, you know, that's the only thing I'm hearing that is any different.

1380
01:44:35,140 --> 01:44:38,580
I mean, they've always scheduled meetings, they've always returned calls, they've always

1381
01:44:38,580 --> 01:44:43,880
talked to citizens, they've always worked with people, I'm not hearing what's different.

1382
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:51,700
I mean, there's, I don't see why in the history of Roswell we've had one person and now we

1383
01:44:51,700 --> 01:44:52,400
can't do that.

1384
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:58,380
And, you know, and we've had 64 something people in this position.

1385
01:44:58,380 --> 01:44:59,880
Everybody works different.

1386
01:45:00,530 --> 01:45:30,510
But I just so many things on the history of Roswell, but anyway, and so I have nothing else to say. Just like emotion. Maybe it's that we utilize. The person differently than other other members have. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

1387
01:45:30,510 --> 01:45:34,770
is the preferred motion before you're going to motion I just asked it's a

1388
01:45:34,770 --> 01:45:39,490
preferred motion that we approved the $15,000 or is the approved motion that we

1389
01:45:39,490 --> 01:45:43,510
make you make her a full-time assistant but instead push the responsibility

1390
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:49,430
elsewhere and staff I guess is the concern more around the $15,000 or is it

1391
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:54,590
concerned just that that it's always been done one way and it's just concerned

1392
01:45:54,590 --> 01:46:00,370
with change yeah my concern is that we're taxing staff in a different way than

1393
01:46:00,370 --> 01:46:01,650
and this council ever has.

1394
01:46:02,570 --> 01:46:06,170
And that's not to say that there's any less engagement

1395
01:46:06,170 --> 01:46:09,230
or any less, I mean, we have rewritten the whole code.

1396
01:46:09,230 --> 01:46:12,050
We have upended huge projects in this city.

1397
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:14,510
We have done massive thing, not we, me.

1398
01:46:15,190 --> 01:46:17,730
But over the years, they have been massive things done

1399
01:46:18,430 --> 01:46:20,470
and huge amounts of time spent.

1400
01:46:21,050 --> 01:46:25,950
And I don't, I just don't see putting an added stuff

1401
01:46:25,950 --> 01:46:27,030
stress on staff.

1402
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:28,730
I would not support, I would, you know,

1403
01:46:29,450 --> 01:46:34,230
putting it on existing staff if you think you're doing that much more I think it's

1404
01:46:34,230 --> 01:46:42,650
not a workable solution. That's a question for you guys. What is there staff

1405
01:46:42,650 --> 01:46:48,110
available now that would be able to take this time up versus hiring somebody out

1406
01:46:48,110 --> 01:46:52,150
or is that why your recommendation is tired? That's not a recommendation I mean

1407
01:46:52,150 --> 01:46:56,090
what we talked about before you guys know we don't have to mind just sitting

1408
01:46:56,090 --> 01:47:03,290
around 20 hours is half, half time, I mean, and when you talk about a person assigned to

1409
01:47:03,290 --> 01:47:07,090
the department, the department records division, and all of those divisions don't have

1410
01:47:07,090 --> 01:47:11,770
them, and these are just like you're responding to constituents and citizens, we're responding

1411
01:47:11,770 --> 01:47:17,750
to citizens as well, if we have the capacity, and when we spoke with Katrina and the other

1412
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:24,510
admin, can we do it for a week? Sure, can we do it on-going? No, sir, we can't, and that's

1413
01:47:26,110 --> 01:47:28,550
That means something else is not going to get done.

1414
01:47:28,690 --> 01:47:33,130
So if you're shifting these minutes to somebody else administratively, then that means there's

1415
01:47:33,130 --> 01:47:37,430
some other duties that won't get done at the department level and you don't have a department

1416
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:41,750
director coming back around and saying, I need some additional assistance here.

1417
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:46,030
You're just transferring the problem from one place to another.

1418
01:47:46,490 --> 01:47:49,630
If the idea is capacity, you are building capacity.

1419
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:51,030
We're right now.

1420
01:47:51,670 --> 01:47:52,670
We're good.

1421
01:47:52,670 --> 01:47:55,530
Your building capacity, that means adding people.

1422
01:47:56,250 --> 01:47:59,430
So if you say that it has to be done with the additional

1423
01:47:59,430 --> 01:48:01,990
funding, then we're going to be coming to you as a list of

1424
01:48:01,990 --> 01:48:02,230
things.

1425
01:48:02,770 --> 01:48:05,750
You're not able to do these things at the same level.

1426
01:48:06,810 --> 01:48:09,650
And that might be, is it OK for the phone to ring 10 times

1427
01:48:09,650 --> 01:48:10,890
before someone answers it?

1428
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:12,370
Because they're doing these minutes now.

1429
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:15,210
That's your service delivery decision.

1430
01:48:15,370 --> 01:48:17,130
We have a very high level of service here.

1431
01:48:17,330 --> 01:48:20,210
And that's the level that you have established for us and

1432
01:48:20,210 --> 01:48:22,610
We're maintaining it until you change it.

1433
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:25,330
That changes this, and I have a great concern

1434
01:48:25,330 --> 01:48:29,010
about that being shipped in the morning.

1435
01:48:29,490 --> 01:48:31,590
I move that we push this forward.

1436
01:48:31,950 --> 01:48:32,230
Second.

1437
01:48:33,330 --> 01:48:34,070
Push what?

1438
01:48:34,630 --> 01:48:34,910
Yes, please.

1439
01:48:34,910 --> 01:48:36,890
We propose a consideration of the part-time

1440
01:48:36,890 --> 01:48:37,670
to minstrelationists.

1441
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:39,690
But in a part-time to minstrelationists?

1442
01:48:39,710 --> 01:48:40,590
At the fundee.

1443
01:48:40,610 --> 01:48:41,630
OK, we have a motion.

1444
01:48:41,710 --> 01:48:42,350
I can't move forward.

1445
01:48:42,450 --> 01:48:43,830
Second, I can't move this apart.

1446
01:48:44,190 --> 01:48:45,090
Any further discussion?

1447
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:47,070
I'll in favor of the motion.

1448
01:48:47,070 --> 01:48:54,370
That is, Idlehart Ford and Mayor Wood, the pot of Palermo, opposed councilmember Diamond.

1449
01:48:54,930 --> 01:48:56,570
Councilmember Olin, how are you?

1450
01:48:58,650 --> 01:49:01,050
Are you voting against it?

1451
01:49:01,210 --> 01:49:01,850
Again, okay.

1452
01:49:02,270 --> 01:49:03,970
So, that is five, two.

1453
01:49:04,190 --> 01:49:06,370
So, we will move that forward to the office.

1454
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:14,330
Next item on the agenda is consideration for the international court and commission's member of employment process.

1455
01:49:15,790 --> 01:49:21,470
You have met the legal act of the last committee meeting and come up with some reporting that's in the packet.

1456
01:49:21,770 --> 01:49:24,130
So, do you want to read that? Where do you want to read it?

1457
01:49:24,270 --> 01:49:27,690
Yeah, you both can read the new warning.

1458
01:49:29,090 --> 01:49:37,490
After the discussion of council members are caught up, I wanted to eliminate what you turned the bottom of that.

1459
01:49:37,490 --> 01:49:46,490
I mean, the language that's been proposed would change the charter only to meet the mayor's

1460
01:49:46,490 --> 01:49:48,130
appointment power for the city charter.

1461
01:49:48,330 --> 01:49:53,330
We'd delete the current city code of ordinance references regarding appointments to boards and

1462
01:49:53,330 --> 01:49:53,730
commissions.

1463
01:49:54,630 --> 01:49:58,750
And then you would have the following process, nominations for agencies on city boards and

1464
01:49:58,750 --> 01:49:59,110
commissions.

1465
01:49:59,550 --> 01:50:04,790
I think any number of mayor and councilor, after a nomination is made, and that nomination

1466
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:07,810
would be made by submitting the name of the City of Administrator,

1467
01:50:08,530 --> 01:50:13,650
thereafter would present any such nomination to Mayor of the City Council in closure for discussion,

1468
01:50:14,330 --> 01:50:17,590
immediately following the next regularly scheduled Mayor of Council meeting.

1469
01:50:18,090 --> 01:50:24,050
After discussion, closing the nomination, or nominations, which I'll be pleased on the City of Administrator's agenda,

1470
01:50:24,750 --> 01:50:28,590
for a vote of the next regularly scheduled Mayor of Council meeting,

1471
01:50:28,590 --> 01:50:31,570
unless the nomination is withdrawn by the nominated member.

1472
01:50:31,570 --> 01:50:36,230
The board of one nomination scheduled for a vote of the meeting of the council nomination

1473
01:50:36,230 --> 01:50:38,390
has been considered an outcome that is recorded.

1474
01:50:39,190 --> 01:50:42,410
These are the last names, appointments for the board of the commission shall apply.

1475
01:50:42,590 --> 01:50:44,670
They are currently moving to this for the council minutes.

1476
01:50:52,380 --> 01:50:59,040
Skipping over the charter amendments and the city charter, which was an existence long before

1477
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:03,800
I became mayor and has worked well in changing that in the middle of the term,

1478
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:13,820
removing authority from a mayor who what appears to be could be seen as an action against

1479
01:51:13,820 --> 01:51:21,160
the mayor, not just against the seat. Looking at the details, scheduling concerns

1480
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:28,540
me. In the past we have allowed opportunity for interviews of these people. This current

1481
01:51:28,540 --> 01:51:34,200
schedule doesn't allow interviews from council members or the mayor. It says it

1482
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:38,740
goes on the agenda, you vote on it, you move the next meeting, it doesn't allow

1483
01:51:38,740 --> 01:51:45,120
time for the council to interview these people. That's first concern, second

1484
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:52,700
concern has to do with alphabetical names. I, as Mr. Zapata, you may share

1485
01:51:52,700 --> 01:51:59,820
this with me. As someone who has a W, I've always felt, why does the, you always come

1486
01:51:59,820 --> 01:52:06,080
last in the process? To just, well, me, if there are, if there are two or three members,

1487
01:52:06,620 --> 01:52:10,780
they should all be discussed and all the merits of all three should be considered at the

1488
01:52:10,780 --> 01:52:17,300
same time. To say, we're not going to consider Mr. Wood because Mr. Aaron came up first and

1489
01:52:17,300 --> 01:52:21,680
we're not going to consider his merits at the vote. Doesn't seem to make a bit of sense

1490
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:26,080
to me. Well, you have to go one by one to vote, right? You can go one if you don't.

1491
01:52:26,300 --> 01:52:30,920
You have to make a motion. You can consider them all. You can get motions and heard, but

1492
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:35,720
as far as the discussion of the merits of the different members, they should all be considered

1493
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:42,140
and compared. Who is best qualified? If you're going to be three people forward, you need to discuss

1494
01:52:42,140 --> 01:52:48,580
all three at once. And are we going to be getting public comment on this thing? If it's

1495
01:52:48,580 --> 01:52:51,300
like a normal vote that we make it public comment.

1496
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,260
We're going to have different people there.

1497
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:57,180
We're going to have a lot more politics, but be as it may.

1498
01:52:57,380 --> 01:52:59,760
I don't think if we're going in alphabetical order,

1499
01:53:00,100 --> 01:53:01,880
that makes no sense at all to me.

1500
01:53:02,900 --> 01:53:06,360
And the last question I've got, where is the Marigold to vote?

1501
01:53:06,700 --> 01:53:08,360
I've got four council members voting.

1502
01:53:09,020 --> 01:53:09,980
Does the Marigold to vote?

1503
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:13,780
If you're, you know, can I be one of the four?

1504
01:53:14,380 --> 01:53:17,680
If it takes four elected officials, shouldn't it be?

1505
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:24,800
shouldn't the mayor get a vote? Do I have in my some sort of you know not

1506
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:30,580
qualified to represent the citizens because I'm the mayor? I should I think I

1507
01:53:30,580 --> 01:53:34,140
don't understand why you left the mayor off of folks who get to vote.

1508
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:39,080
I'm trying

1509
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:43,040
to look at this from a logical standpoint and I think mentioned some of this

1510
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:48,900
last time we started discussing it but right now any council member can put up a

1511
01:53:48,900 --> 01:53:53,880
name for a board of commission and you know hearing things going that only to

1512
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:59,140
Merrick him or any council member can put it up. The mayor has taken time to hour

1513
01:53:59,140 --> 01:54:02,860
and a half to two hour interview whatever to vet out the person and make them

1514
01:54:02,860 --> 01:54:07,580
understand what it consists of and and has them go to one of the meetings to make

1515
01:54:07,580 --> 01:54:13,840
sure it's something they want to do and comes back to us in closure and it's been

1516
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:19,800
of practice, you know, used to be a little different, but any more, if any one person has

1517
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:25,720
not been in favor of that candidate, we've seen additional names, they're new names.

1518
01:54:26,540 --> 01:54:31,540
So basically you have seven people agreeing on somebody that's going to be on a board

1519
01:54:31,540 --> 01:54:38,600
of commission versus now a simple majority of four people coming to a decision who's going

1520
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:49,260
to be on a board of commission and these are you don't want to get multiple people discussed

1521
01:54:49,900 --> 01:54:57,440
in my opinion anyway in a council meeting and you know somebody volunteers puts them

1522
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:03,180
so forward yeah we can take you because we run for political office but you know I put

1523
01:55:03,180 --> 01:55:06,960
citizens out there and then they get embarrassed about something that comes up in a meeting or they

1524
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:11,660
it turned down in a public meeting and we've got a battle going back on 4th on

1525
01:55:11,660 --> 01:55:16,740
them. So I guess from a log to standpoint we've got more agreement on people

1526
01:55:16,740 --> 01:55:22,680
coming through now than we will under a huge system like this. So that's kind of

1527
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:25,040
how I'm trying to look at it. It makes no sense.

1528
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:29,980
Well I talked to Bob and David about this and that one of the things that we

1529
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:34,520
talked about was that we would have an opportunity and I'm not sure it's this

1530
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:40,240
in what it's been created but to have the discussion in comparison even if

1531
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:45,380
there are two people who are more at the same time in closure and so I'm not

1532
01:55:45,380 --> 01:55:49,700
sure that deals with that this way but that you know that would be the

1533
01:55:49,700 --> 01:55:52,840
intention where we have that discussion in closure and then just have a vote in

1534
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:55,500
the public and of course anybody can say anything they want to in the public

1535
01:55:55,500 --> 01:55:59,760
meeting but you know the hope would be that we have most of that discussion

1536
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:06,680
internally as we do now. I'm not sure this ultimately does that this way.

1537
01:56:08,380 --> 01:56:14,860
It does and that's that's the reason that it was drafted so that it goes to

1538
01:56:14,860 --> 01:56:21,180
clothing in person that you discuss each person whether it's one two three

1539
01:56:21,180 --> 01:56:30,280
to get her one. And just when the council members are part of wanted a way so that there

1540
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:36,100
would be no hold up between if there's not a consensus that a council you would still

1541
01:56:36,100 --> 01:56:41,360
have a means that they go out and get active. That's what he wanted in there.

1542
01:56:43,780 --> 01:56:44,840
It's the

1543
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:46,400
the same language we discussed.

1544
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:49,760
Just wasn't included in the packet.

1545
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:54,220
I do have a concern about having three or four candidates

1546
01:56:54,860 --> 01:56:59,040
in a public meeting and discussion around three or four candidates.

1547
01:56:59,260 --> 01:57:02,800
I don't understand why we can't bring out candidates.

1548
01:57:03,020 --> 01:57:08,140
If we have, let's say each council member has a candidate for a particular role

1549
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,840
and they bring it to that one meeting and we sit there and discuss

1550
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:15,020
and we look at their resumes and we discuss merits

1551
01:57:18,670 --> 01:57:23,410
of each individual, and then, by consensus,

1552
01:57:23,670 --> 01:57:28,150
determine which one of those six candidates goes forward in public meeting. Why can't we do that?

1553
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:37,550
You can do that, but as written, it doesn't do that. This says that after discussion, the nomination,

1554
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:43,390
she'll be placed on the next agenda. It does not require consensus. It doesn't require a second.

1555
01:57:43,990 --> 01:57:55,630
It says that nomination goes on, but the point is, is the way it reads right now, every

1556
01:57:55,630 --> 01:58:00,970
nomination will go to a vote unless it's withdrawn by the person who makes the nomination.

1557
01:58:03,130 --> 01:58:15,000
And before the meeting, so I can imagine if this had been in practice to fill the HBC

1558
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:18,800
We see which we recently filled with a nomination by Mr. Horton.

1559
01:58:19,500 --> 01:58:25,100
We would have had five votes before we got to that vote, or four votes, as I recall.

1560
01:58:26,260 --> 01:58:35,240
Bob, I think that just, if I could point out, the reason I think this even became an

1561
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:38,540
issue is because there were several

1562
01:58:41,260 --> 01:58:44,300
candidates, you brought forward several candidates,

1563
01:58:46,460 --> 01:58:52,560
There was one candidate that I did not bring forward that you wanted to bring forward.

1564
01:58:52,760 --> 01:59:00,840
I brought four candidates in which there was four votes in favor of and two votes killed

1565
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:01,600
it.

1566
01:59:03,470 --> 01:59:10,930
So, by the clarification regarding the discussion and closure while they can't vote, can

1567
01:59:10,930 --> 01:59:16,770
and there not be consensus pulling up what Canada to move forward.

1568
01:59:17,450 --> 01:59:17,710
Yes.

1569
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:20,090
There's always been informal.

1570
01:59:20,510 --> 01:59:22,350
We want to move forward with this.

1571
01:59:22,710 --> 01:59:22,790
Right.

1572
01:59:23,550 --> 01:59:25,590
We're done with that if you'll bring this forward, guys.

1573
01:59:25,930 --> 01:59:26,550
We're done with that.

1574
01:59:26,630 --> 01:59:28,310
So if there were three, like...

1575
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:29,410
That's not going to happen anymore.

1576
01:59:29,650 --> 01:59:32,830
Let's say there were three two council members in the mayor,

1577
01:59:33,070 --> 01:59:36,510
each brought an individual forward for a particular position

1578
01:59:36,510 --> 01:59:42,770
and after discussion, then there's consensus to bring one of the three forward and then they

1579
01:59:42,770 --> 01:59:48,090
can absolutely do that. They're not voting, but aren't they agreeing to move forward?

1580
01:59:48,270 --> 01:59:53,510
I mean, this is the problem. We're mixing a political process with a legal process.

1581
01:59:54,070 --> 01:59:58,790
The only way legally with the open meetings act and the other, that's why we have to withdraw

1582
01:59:58,790 --> 01:59:59,570
all of them in there.

1583
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,140
If there's a consensus to move on, then it's incumbent upon the members to withdraw the others. That is the answer that we'll comply with. I ain't complying with it, guys. You push this through, we're going to have multiple candidates. Now, just so I'm just on clear, is an eagle where if I feel there's, if I'm bringing someone forward, I feel there's not consensus if I ask, if I ask Jerry, Jerry, you just point out.

1584
02:00:29,140 --> 02:00:30,060
I can't, it says no.

1585
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:32,440
And I ask everybody else, and they all say, no,

1586
02:00:32,620 --> 02:00:35,440
individually to me, then I can say, you know what?

1587
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:37,240
Even though I brought this person forward,

1588
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:39,080
I am not going to bring this person forward

1589
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:40,620
to the councilman, is that something that's legal

1590
02:00:40,620 --> 02:00:41,280
and that would work?

1591
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:45,340
Right, this is the point of discussing this

1592
02:00:45,340 --> 02:00:49,580
in a closure, so you'd have to get them to the job.

1593
02:00:50,500 --> 02:00:53,200
So talking about the embarrassing issue that seems

1594
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:57,620
to be the most, the hot topic, like we know,

1595
02:00:57,620 --> 02:01:00,260
So like this stipulate is not a bit discussed in closure.

1596
02:01:01,180 --> 02:01:06,360
So like Councillor Valera Polaro said that if his or her candidate doesn't have any vote

1597
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:11,540
only his vote then he has two choices and choices is good.

1598
02:01:11,660 --> 02:01:12,140
I mean why not?

1599
02:01:12,240 --> 02:01:12,780
We're not child.

1600
02:01:13,020 --> 02:01:13,940
We are adults.

1601
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:14,860
You know.

1602
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:16,220
We have choices.

1603
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:17,740
So you have to choice it either.

1604
02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:23,920
You tell your candidate I'm sorry but I couldn't get you the vote so I'm going to withdraw

1605
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:26,500
your name before the next meeting with one option.

1606
02:01:28,540 --> 02:01:33,100
I think that you and me, we are going to get embarrassed in front of everybody, and I'm

1607
02:01:33,100 --> 02:01:37,620
going to bring your name forward, and I'm going to fight your name like nobody else.

1608
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:38,780
It's a choice.

1609
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:47,040
I mean, it's a choice of the city council member, and it's a choice of the volunteer for the

1610
02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:48,840
position.

1611
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:51,280
So why to eliminate the choice?

1612
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:53,900
I mean, it's their choice, their adults, they are, you know.

1613
02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:59,900
And then, which, you know, really will happen, I don't know, which I don't even see a scenario

1614
02:01:59,900 --> 02:02:06,260
that if you don't have four votes or four people who support your candidate, why are you

1615
02:02:06,260 --> 02:02:07,060
going to bring it forward?

1616
02:02:07,300 --> 02:02:09,440
I mean, you can do it, but you know, you are in your own.

1617
02:02:10,260 --> 02:02:13,680
So then the other issue that I want to address is no interview.

1618
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:19,820
I don't know where this came from because, you know, if Marley has in advance all the candidates

1619
02:02:19,820 --> 02:02:25,440
updates on the database with the resume because now you can apply online, you know, thanks

1620
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:30,200
I've been pushing for two months, finally everything was put online, clearly all the

1621
02:02:30,200 --> 02:02:36,520
boring positions available, when expire and now it's available, people can submit resumes

1622
02:02:36,520 --> 02:02:42,960
online that they are available for everybody immediately, so resumes and then if you want

1623
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:47,180
to do personal interviews, phone numbers are there to coordinate through our executive

1624
02:02:47,180 --> 02:02:53,320
in a system of mayor executive assistant to coordinate an interview formal face-to-face

1625
02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:53,840
interview.

1626
02:02:54,060 --> 02:02:57,280
So I interview, I don't see much of the point.

1627
02:02:58,000 --> 02:02:59,900
Alphabet, you don't see the point of an interview?

1628
02:03:00,500 --> 02:03:03,100
No, I don't see your point that you said, no, let me explain it to you.

1629
02:03:03,100 --> 02:03:07,500
I said you have to interview and you have the data to make possible, if you want, if you

1630
02:03:07,500 --> 02:03:08,420
don't want, you don't interview.

1631
02:03:08,620 --> 02:03:09,500
Well, let me explain it to you.

1632
02:03:09,580 --> 02:03:16,680
So no one prohibit in this to interview anybody who is the name with...

1633
02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:19,680
You probably weren't listening when I, when my comments were made.

1634
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:21,500
This were, this was my plan again.

1635
02:03:22,060 --> 02:03:24,260
This process does not allow enough time.

1636
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:30,830
Because if it says once a nomination is made,

1637
02:03:31,110 --> 02:03:32,570
it goes immediately the next meeting.

1638
02:03:33,510 --> 02:03:35,970
Now, I don't know when that nomination will be made.

1639
02:03:36,070 --> 02:03:37,570
I don't know how much time there is.

1640
02:03:37,670 --> 02:03:41,330
I don't know whether there is sufficient time to schedule it.

1641
02:03:41,930 --> 02:03:43,370
It's a matter of scheduling.

1642
02:03:43,790 --> 02:03:46,810
If you've got time to schedule, which in the past,

1643
02:03:46,810 --> 02:03:54,330
We've held off on these moving forward until if someone wants to do a to interview we've held off if we follow your process

1644
02:03:54,330 --> 02:03:59,970
It immediately goes to the next meeting whether or not there is time whether or not that person's available

1645
02:03:59,970 --> 02:04:09,030
Whether or not you've had a chance to interview them. So if you're so if your suggestion is interview everybody who goes online and makes a request

1646
02:04:10,350 --> 02:04:13,610
If unless some until someone brings them forward

1647
02:04:14,810 --> 02:04:20,070
There's not time to interview everyone who potentially is interested in a job.

1648
02:04:20,070 --> 02:04:23,050
You have to say those potential in which they're coming forward.

1649
02:04:23,370 --> 02:04:31,290
So, the point is, I didn't say there was no opportunity, I was saying, you're scheduling

1650
02:04:31,290 --> 02:04:32,690
the way you've got it scheduled.

1651
02:04:32,890 --> 02:04:34,610
You don't leave enough time for the interviews.

1652
02:04:35,070 --> 02:04:35,250
Okay.

1653
02:04:35,770 --> 02:04:37,130
You've got a very body point.

1654
02:04:37,590 --> 02:04:42,650
I mean, if you are bringing your candidate the day of the closure that never heard anybody

1655
02:04:42,650 --> 02:04:44,910
But before, yeah, I mean, that is an issue.

1656
02:04:45,270 --> 02:04:47,090
You don't have time to maybe close you.

1657
02:04:47,190 --> 02:04:47,830
You can read the resume.

1658
02:04:48,230 --> 02:04:49,470
You can talk about your candidate.

1659
02:04:50,370 --> 02:04:52,930
But if you want to bring this name forward with the resume

1660
02:04:52,930 --> 02:04:58,230
to mayor and city council and distribute the executive assistant

1661
02:04:58,230 --> 02:05:01,330
can distribute this by email the resume.

1662
02:05:02,210 --> 02:05:05,410
So then you have plenty of time to read the resume, analyze,

1663
02:05:05,790 --> 02:05:08,950
study, make a face-to-face interview if he's needed.

1664
02:05:10,070 --> 02:05:12,150
But if you bring the name, you're right.

1665
02:05:12,150 --> 02:05:18,810
If you bring the name on closure or Friday before closure, then that might be an issue.

1666
02:05:18,910 --> 02:05:19,430
Yeah, I agree.

1667
02:05:19,770 --> 02:05:25,790
But if you bring the name in advance, like a week, two, three, four weeks in advance closure,

1668
02:05:26,330 --> 02:05:30,890
then you do have time to interview and talk to the people and see who is the candidate.

1669
02:05:31,490 --> 02:05:32,630
And also, let me say something.

1670
02:05:34,090 --> 02:05:40,250
You know, everything comes, you know, let's look on this on what is bacon.

1671
02:05:40,510 --> 02:05:44,810
We have one, two, three, four bacon.

1672
02:05:45,490 --> 02:05:48,070
And this proves the system is, no, can I finish please?

1673
02:05:48,550 --> 02:05:51,190
So we have four bacon.

1674
02:05:51,370 --> 02:05:55,430
One of them actually is more than six months, which means that we don't have anybody sitting there.

1675
02:05:56,290 --> 02:06:04,990
So, and then we have next month expiring one, two, three next month and no one even brought

1676
02:06:04,990 --> 02:06:11,590
a resume, nobody even looked for people because, you know, that is a problem, that is a

1677
02:06:11,590 --> 02:06:11,790
problem.

1678
02:06:11,930 --> 02:06:15,690
Here is a problem, here is a proof of the problem and then the other one is the level of

1679
02:06:15,690 --> 02:06:22,730
participation, the diversity, you know, we have 95,000 people in the city now and with a very

1680
02:06:22,730 --> 02:06:29,170
good background, experience, interest to volunteer in the city. So we have to give the chance

1681
02:06:29,170 --> 02:06:36,910
to these people also to participate and bring diversity, diversity to the board and commissions.

1682
02:06:37,970 --> 02:06:46,830
So the other point that was made was alphabetical. I mean alphabetical, if you are AOC, I mean

1683
02:06:46,830 --> 02:07:15,570
I mean he's fair, I mean he's no one pick any from they have, no one pick by finger anybody, he's alphabetical so I'm seeing, so think about, I'm proposing alphabetical and I'll be the last one and I was always the last one in every list, but you know, being the last on the list doesn't mean being the last one accomplishing thing so, I think a alphabetical, you know, you can debate about it, one quick point I would like to make.

1684
02:07:15,570 --> 02:07:17,870
Okay, and then Councilmember Diamonds inviting very favor.

1685
02:07:17,870 --> 02:07:24,750
Mr. Zippata, I have not received one suggestion from one council member for any of these

1686
02:07:24,750 --> 02:07:26,630
vacancies that you say are open.

1687
02:07:27,230 --> 02:07:32,110
So if this council member wants to start making suggestions, get off your ass.

1688
02:07:33,030 --> 02:07:34,090
Send me some resumes.

1689
02:07:34,750 --> 02:07:41,450
I have not received one resume from anybody that hasn't already been brought forward to this

1690
02:07:41,450 --> 02:07:41,790
council.

1691
02:07:41,950 --> 02:07:42,350
I have it.

1692
02:07:42,510 --> 02:07:42,950
He's not true.

1693
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:56,870
We have a park on wreck commission available, I know, they've submitted a resume and the resume has been submitted and the name has not been brought hasn't come to me. The name has not, they've known you know, I mean, we have a knowledge by email.

1694
02:07:56,870 --> 02:08:05,770
Well, please furnish it to me because my office hasn't seen it. I haven't seen it. I have reviewed, I have interviewed everyone who's come forward and considered every name that's come forward.

1695
02:08:05,770 --> 02:08:10,890
And Mr. Zapata, I challenge you to bring forward and showing that you've delivered something

1696
02:08:10,890 --> 02:08:13,390
to my office because I haven't received it.

1697
02:08:13,390 --> 02:08:15,030
I have a copy of the email or...

1698
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:15,850
Counselor, we're done.

1699
02:08:16,650 --> 02:08:18,430
We have a copy of our knowledge and...

1700
02:08:18,430 --> 02:08:19,070
I have email.

1701
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:19,430
Yes.

1702
02:08:19,730 --> 02:08:20,770
And my office has emails.

1703
02:08:21,050 --> 02:08:23,150
And I have a respond from you about that.

1704
02:08:23,410 --> 02:08:25,970
Well, let's see it because I don't recall a response.

1705
02:08:26,270 --> 02:08:26,370
Okay.

1706
02:08:26,470 --> 02:08:29,090
We can get that to the Mayor of London.

1707
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:32,010
So let's get back on top of here, Counselor, we're done.

1708
02:08:33,090 --> 02:08:37,770
I'm trying to get to what the end game here is because the emails I'm getting are the

1709
02:08:37,770 --> 02:08:40,810
mayors, the only one who can pick Canada's, which is absolutely not the case.

1710
02:08:40,830 --> 02:08:44,730
No, nominations, nominations, which is absolutely not the case.

1711
02:08:44,910 --> 02:08:48,550
And when I look at the appointments that have come up in the six and a half years I've

1712
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:54,070
been here, I cannot see any or think of any where he originated the nomination.

1713
02:08:54,770 --> 02:08:59,350
Now, he vets them, but I've never seen him not bring one forward for a discussion.

1714
02:08:59,990 --> 02:09:03,830
And, you know, they're, I mean, well, that's not true, they've been a couple that you've

1715
02:09:03,830 --> 02:09:08,330
decided that you come in and you say, okay, this person thinks they should be in charge

1716
02:09:08,330 --> 02:09:12,170
of code enforcement or that person, you know, this is not something that will fit with us

1717
02:09:12,170 --> 02:09:17,410
and we can have that discussion, we can revisit it, I've seen you re-interview people, I'm

1718
02:09:17,410 --> 02:09:22,850
trying to get to where we're going to go with this because I'm telling you, when you deal

1719
02:09:22,850 --> 02:09:28,790
with volunteer citizens, it's all about respect and honoring their time and their willingness

1720
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:34,770
to do this and we had a time at one time where we didn't do the unanimous part and we had a public

1721
02:09:34,770 --> 02:09:39,250
vote. I had nothing to do with the city at that point. I just came to it and it was a very

1722
02:09:39,250 --> 02:09:47,610
contentious public vote split vote on a volunteer citizen in a public forum and it still harbors badwill.

1723
02:09:48,370 --> 02:09:53,810
You are going to divide the city by having four people and three people voting on citizens

1724
02:09:53,810 --> 02:09:56,150
for volunteering in a public forum.

1725
02:09:56,890 --> 02:09:58,670
And there are a lot of times there are reasons

1726
02:09:58,670 --> 02:10:01,070
why you don't want to do that in a public forum.

1727
02:10:01,650 --> 02:10:03,190
You know, people aren't always

1728
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:06,910
suited to be in that position for 100 reasons.

1729
02:10:07,090 --> 02:10:10,170
Some of them have all kinds of issues

1730
02:10:10,170 --> 02:10:11,970
that I won't go into in a public forum.

1731
02:10:12,130 --> 02:10:16,030
But those are things you have to be respectful of.

1732
02:10:16,150 --> 02:10:19,830
And the one thing that we have not always done well

1733
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:21,650
and we have worked very hard and we've done well

1734
02:10:21,650 --> 02:10:27,270
the last few years is honoring the volunteers that come in here and this

1735
02:10:27,270 --> 02:10:30,870
system I have huge concerns if you think you don't have time to do the job now

1736
02:10:30,870 --> 02:10:34,430
and you need help how are you going to interview everybody that comes online

1737
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:40,350
you're going to take that on I mean it just you're going to do what you're going

1738
02:10:40,350 --> 02:10:44,170
to do but I think you're setting us up to be at the more divided city than we are

1739
02:10:44,170 --> 02:10:44,590
right now.

1740
02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:50,010
I do think it's valid points on the timing because there's nothing in

1741
02:10:50,010 --> 02:10:54,130
that prohibits someone from putting a name in on Monday when we have pleasure that night.

1742
02:10:54,590 --> 02:10:59,610
Or even in the two weeks before that, that probably doesn't give time to have somebody

1743
02:11:00,870 --> 02:11:02,230
interview even if we wanted to.

1744
02:11:02,870 --> 02:11:07,630
So I think it probably doesn't make sense to look at whether it's a 30-day window after it's

1745
02:11:07,630 --> 02:11:10,090
put in before it's actually brought forward.

1746
02:11:10,770 --> 02:11:16,390
But I think, and I understand where you're going on the word nomination, I think, at least

1747
02:11:16,390 --> 02:11:21,230
what I talked about is consideration or something so that it's in the pool or

1748
02:11:21,230 --> 02:11:25,570
the person is in the pool but it's not necessarily brought forward and not

1749
02:11:25,570 --> 02:11:29,270
maybe that's one of the issues that you guys have to have to be a nomination

1750
02:11:29,270 --> 02:11:33,990
or to go through that process but is there maybe a two-step process to where

1751
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:38,230
because we really want to be able to have those discussions internally

1752
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:42,650
enclosure to the extent possible and then you know people decided to go say

1753
02:11:42,650 --> 02:11:47,250
something out beyond that, that's their choice, but you know, I think the better situation

1754
02:11:47,250 --> 02:11:51,310
is where you have, whomever it happens to be in that list, is discussed internally

1755
02:11:51,310 --> 02:11:58,610
and then it brought forward beyond that, but I do think this does make it more contentious

1756
02:11:58,610 --> 02:12:00,050
if we do it that way.

1757
02:12:01,530 --> 02:12:06,250
We could take a different approach on this and we could take the same approach we've done

1758
02:12:06,250 --> 02:12:13,190
on a DDA where there's seven on each of our boards. We label them post one through six

1759
02:12:13,190 --> 02:12:21,010
in the mayor. Each person's responsible for bringing, suggesting, proposing that one

1760
02:12:21,010 --> 02:12:26,110
person to fit their post on every of the boards. So we could take that route, similar to

1761
02:12:26,110 --> 02:12:27,230
what we've done with the DDA.

1762
02:12:27,230 --> 02:12:29,270
Okay, council member, whoever.

1763
02:12:29,970 --> 02:12:35,630
So, and I definitely have fun, but I want to say what my concern is,

1764
02:12:35,630 --> 02:12:39,210
because I think that's, then there's many different ways to accomplish this, I think.

1765
02:12:39,470 --> 02:12:44,990
I think with some, some refinements to, to this document we have here, I think the guest will be me.

1766
02:12:45,310 --> 02:12:49,450
I think come along, that could be another example that perhaps guests will be me.

1767
02:12:49,670 --> 02:12:53,930
My biggest concern is that currently today, you have, you could have a situation

1768
02:12:53,930 --> 02:13:08,970
where 4 council members or even 6 council members have someone that they really feel would be great for this and currently the mayor has the sole discretion decided this person is not right to be nominated.

1769
02:13:09,710 --> 02:13:21,130
And so that's really what my concern is and again as I said in the last meeting was discussed but I don't want this situation where there ends up being 3, 4, 5 whatever the number is of people being brought forward.

1770
02:13:21,130 --> 02:13:27,630
of them that fit the bill fit that fit the need when there are people that are

1771
02:13:27,630 --> 02:13:30,750
being suggested and that doesn't have a good amount of support on councils. That's

1772
02:13:30,750 --> 02:13:33,210
what I feel like is that is involved in the solve.

1773
02:13:33,710 --> 02:13:39,530
But if he brings it to closure, you as one person can stop it too. I mean that's

1774
02:13:39,530 --> 02:13:44,410
the whole point of being seven people on a team to accept a person in. So he's

1775
02:13:44,410 --> 02:13:49,650
expressing his vote early on for whatever reasons. But I mean it's been that way

1776
02:13:49,650 --> 02:13:56,730
We've got one person is not in favor of it. We've passed and gone to look for other people and we've done.

1777
02:13:57,410 --> 02:14:01,610
I think it's pretty a job of seven people in the ring on people over the years.

1778
02:14:02,330 --> 02:14:05,750
So, I mean, you can kill them after it comes in as one person.

1779
02:14:06,110 --> 02:14:11,530
I was simply going to make the point that Jerry is so able to make it.

1780
02:14:12,830 --> 02:14:14,730
Right now, one person can block it.

1781
02:14:18,390 --> 02:14:20,130
And that is not efficient neither.

1782
02:14:21,150 --> 02:14:24,870
So this is how we can get this and then we can go forever like that.

1783
02:14:25,610 --> 02:14:28,450
I mean, we've been bringing names that you didn't want to nominate.

1784
02:14:29,110 --> 02:14:32,750
Even though they have enough votes, then you brought names that we're not happy.

1785
02:14:33,070 --> 02:14:37,330
So if we get into this game, this is going to be every time the expire is not going to be

1786
02:14:37,330 --> 02:14:37,550
renew.

1787
02:14:37,690 --> 02:14:41,970
So it's going to be in maybe what was the last one expire, maybe three, four years, it would

1788
02:14:41,970 --> 02:14:42,550
be blank.

1789
02:14:43,790 --> 02:14:45,650
So I mean, that is not efficient.

1790
02:14:45,650 --> 02:14:52,070
I'm looking for a fashion and then you know looking for the six folds then if you are not

1791
02:14:52,070 --> 02:14:57,230
going to have a six fold wide to even bring it just you know because you know if you have

1792
02:14:57,230 --> 02:14:59,970
diversity council tool then probably you will never get

1793
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,760
If you get six votes, you might get four, five, and maybe eventually, if you bring a super star, will be six votes. So, the system is not efficient, it's not working, and he is approved. So, I'm trying to fix this problem. And I'm trying to fix the problem of nominations. So, because it's also not fair for people here that they could stay six months. You know, they, legally, they can stay six months after expiring the term. But then it's not fair for them to what I'm going to be reappointed.

1794
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:34,800
They're going to nominate someone else so it's not fair for these people and you know

1795
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:39,440
I'm sure these people they'll be happy to know as soon as expired what is going to happen with them

1796
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:44,880
So it's also fairness for the volunteers who does a great job in these boring commissions

1797
02:15:46,620 --> 02:15:52,460
Mr. Sepada from the way I hear it you've said this system is doomed to fail. It came work

1798
02:15:52,460 --> 02:15:58,600
Is that a fair statement? He's not working right now that this system has been working

1799
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:06,760
to my knowledge for 60 years, if I count, well, 50, 30 years with bug and 20 years with

1800
02:16:06,760 --> 02:16:15,180
me. It's been working for 50 years. Now, sometimes it works smoother than others. But to

1801
02:16:15,180 --> 02:16:21,380
say this system is not going to work, I remember you saying, well, no one has had a double

1802
02:16:21,380 --> 02:16:27,980
crisis in a neighborhood with one entrance, so it's never going to happen before. Statistically,

1803
02:16:27,980 --> 02:16:37,300
So, you're saying this system is not working, this system is working.

1804
02:16:38,980 --> 02:16:44,700
If you're saying it could, you know, the most efficient system, the most efficient

1805
02:16:44,700 --> 02:16:48,780
government out there, Mr. Zapata, is a dictatorship.

1806
02:16:50,500 --> 02:16:53,680
Democracy by its nature is inefficient.

1807
02:16:53,680 --> 02:17:00,220
And if you want to, you know, and I'm not suggesting, and I've never suggested a dictatorship

1808
02:17:00,220 --> 02:17:01,520
in the city of Roswell.

1809
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:04,180
Maybe they have those in Argentina.

1810
02:17:04,740 --> 02:17:07,700
I think they've had those in the past from time to time in Argentina.

1811
02:17:08,300 --> 02:17:13,460
But it has never been part of the American system to have dictatorships and inefficiencies

1812
02:17:14,060 --> 02:17:18,920
are built into the system but the job is getting done.

1813
02:17:18,920 --> 02:17:23,080
I think we've had, at the last appointment, was a good appointment.

1814
02:17:23,900 --> 02:17:30,520
I was desperate bringing a lot of folks forward because that position was, it was critical

1815
02:17:30,520 --> 02:17:31,620
to fill that position.

1816
02:17:32,400 --> 02:17:33,580
We had an MTC.

1817
02:17:33,960 --> 02:17:37,920
Right now, we have folks that are serving beyond their six-month term.

1818
02:17:38,060 --> 02:17:38,900
We need to fill those.

1819
02:17:40,660 --> 02:17:44,820
Some have, and there are different reasons that we haven't moved on with some of these people.

1820
02:17:44,820 --> 02:17:48,780
I encourage you to bring nominations to me in the interim.

1821
02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:50,520
We're not going to change this charter overnight.

1822
02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:55,060
And if you've got nominations, I apologize if my office has overlooked them.

1823
02:17:55,700 --> 02:17:59,440
I have not consciously overlooked any nominations.

1824
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:03,180
My practice is to interview everyone that it comes from.

1825
02:18:03,460 --> 02:18:05,920
I've always followed that practice.

1826
02:18:06,660 --> 02:18:09,500
I have not always supported that nomination.

1827
02:18:10,420 --> 02:18:13,380
But you all haven't always supported my nominations.

1828
02:18:13,380 --> 02:18:14,900
and I understand that.

1829
02:18:15,540 --> 02:18:18,080
So, yeah, it's good to know about the relationship

1830
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:20,060
and the system today is the dictatorship

1831
02:18:20,060 --> 02:18:23,900
because the only one who can nominate is the mayor.

1832
02:18:24,860 --> 02:18:28,380
So, this dictatorship, if you want to go this route.

1833
02:18:29,000 --> 02:18:31,240
So, what I would say that

1834
02:18:33,440 --> 02:18:35,520
not only, you know, they have to get to you

1835
02:18:35,520 --> 02:18:38,380
but also you have to bring to us the names

1836
02:18:38,380 --> 02:18:39,280
and it's not happening.

1837
02:18:39,600 --> 02:18:43,000
I've been keeping an eye on for, you know, six months.

1838
02:18:43,000 --> 02:18:47,220
And I keep tracking of this from day one.

1839
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:50,740
And I see that every time it's even getting worse and worse.

1840
02:18:50,920 --> 02:18:56,400
We have now, let me just, you know, we have on a DDA

1841
02:18:56,400 --> 02:18:59,240
who expired on January 9, 2016.

1842
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:04,300
So now the person is not even feeling the six months

1843
02:19:05,020 --> 02:19:06,240
after the expiration.

1844
02:19:06,560 --> 02:19:10,080
So I mean, if this is working efficiently,

1845
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:17,560
You know, I, I say well, I disagree. I don't think that this is efficient to have the

1846
02:19:17,560 --> 02:19:23,120
situation we have right now. And we, and we know what we have this situation. We have

1847
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:27,680
this situation because we bring names. You don't want to nominate and then you bring name

1848
02:19:27,680 --> 02:19:33,140
that we don't want to vote for. And then we keep going back and forth like that. And then

1849
02:19:33,140 --> 02:19:35,800
this is what it happened. So we have to resolve this.

1850
02:19:35,800 --> 02:19:39,040
So what are the names that you've brought forward that didn't go through?

1851
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:47,240
Which, who have you nominated that we haven't seen that the mayor hasn't got it?

1852
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:49,280
Okay.

1853
02:19:49,740 --> 02:19:50,380
You have one.

1854
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:52,540
It seems like there was a mistake in the email.

1855
02:19:52,780 --> 02:19:59,100
It's standing right here and receiving an email from Mayor saying that this vacancy is going

1856
02:19:59,100 --> 02:19:59,720
to be filled.

1857
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:02,360
Sorry.

1858
02:20:03,260 --> 02:20:06,780
Uh, there were no vacancies on for the red commission.

1859
02:20:06,780 --> 02:20:17,660
Which we know that we just appointed one recently and what they were actually two to vacancy. They're not vacancies. They are in a sense that there's no one there.

1860
02:20:18,340 --> 02:20:28,860
Nancy Diamond made a request that one of the members who is the only member who is serving the undisturbed be allowed to continue to serve a little bit longer.

1861
02:20:28,860 --> 02:20:33,280
And that was at a deferral to a council member, which I have not brought forward a nomination

1862
02:20:33,280 --> 02:20:33,660
on that.

1863
02:20:34,480 --> 02:20:38,960
But I have not received any other nominations from any council member for any other

1864
02:20:38,960 --> 02:20:39,260
seat.

1865
02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:43,880
I challenge you to tell me that we have made a nomination for HBC with it.

1866
02:20:44,200 --> 02:20:44,760
And you said no.

1867
02:20:44,980 --> 02:20:46,420
No, I interviewed that person.

1868
02:20:46,540 --> 02:20:46,720
Okay.

1869
02:20:46,880 --> 02:20:47,340
And you didn't like.

1870
02:20:48,660 --> 02:20:56,300
And the point is, there was one occasion where I brought one person forward that I would

1871
02:20:56,300 --> 02:21:00,400
not bring him forward. I had multiple occasions where I brought people forward where their

1872
02:21:00,400 --> 02:21:05,940
majority was in the favor of their nomination, and a minority of one or two block those.

1873
02:21:07,720 --> 02:21:11,220
So Jerry Orland is the point.

1874
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:21,060
Yeah, comment about that, though. I remember one nominee in particular, and my, I made one

1875
02:21:21,060 --> 02:21:26,700
comment. I said, I really don't see this individual spending the time that would be necessary.

1876
02:21:27,440 --> 02:21:32,500
I don't see him having the time and you say, OK, that's it.

1877
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:35,740
I didn't know that that was the end of it.

1878
02:21:35,820 --> 02:21:39,440
I didn't know that my word would kill me.

1879
02:21:39,440 --> 02:21:40,300
Be careful what he's saying.

1880
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:42,080
Is that it?

1881
02:21:42,220 --> 02:21:42,760
I mean, that was it.

1882
02:21:44,340 --> 02:21:45,840
So there was no discussion.

1883
02:21:46,320 --> 02:21:48,980
Well, it's like an option, don't raise your hand.

1884
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:55,560
Well, if you had set up in the mud, my practice

1885
02:21:55,560 --> 02:21:58,160
was if I received an objection to withdrawal

1886
02:21:58,160 --> 02:21:59,980
nomination, if you're saying I should have been more

1887
02:21:59,980 --> 02:22:01,000
insistent, that's different.

1888
02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:04,100
No, you said you knew this person?

1889
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:07,180
You knew him well, you didn't think he was going to put

1890
02:22:07,180 --> 02:22:10,300
in the time, and I felt that was a credible argument.

1891
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:13,480
You knew him better than I did.

1892
02:22:13,960 --> 02:22:14,160
Right.

1893
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:16,020
You didn't tell me that.

1894
02:22:16,180 --> 02:22:17,940
OK, that's it.

1895
02:22:18,920 --> 02:22:19,660
I'm sorry.

1896
02:22:20,200 --> 02:22:25,140
Well, you know, there is an adjustment

1897
02:22:25,140 --> 02:22:26,660
period when you're okay.

1898
02:22:28,180 --> 02:22:28,580
Here's the team.

1899
02:22:28,580 --> 02:22:31,340
It's a team, all for our own self.

1900
02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:32,940
Okay, everybody's talking at the same time.

1901
02:22:33,080 --> 02:22:37,160
So can we get the pleasure of this committee related to how and for our seating?

1902
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:37,860
I think we need to agree.

1903
02:22:37,860 --> 02:22:44,400
I move that we defer this decision until we've had a chance to really vet the ordinance.

1904
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:45,360
We're still figuring it out.

1905
02:22:45,580 --> 02:22:47,260
So I think we need to figure it out.

1906
02:22:47,660 --> 02:22:48,960
Who would they do what then?

1907
02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:53,840
In the meantime, I encourage you to bring forward your nomination.

1908
02:22:55,020 --> 02:23:00,160
You know, Mrs. Apollo, I apologize if you have submitted a name and I didn't see it.

1909
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:01,380
Me too.

1910
02:23:02,480 --> 02:23:06,200
That name was, you know, no one has, you know, if you...

1911
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:09,140
And I see a hand waving the audience, that's Kay's job to do it.

1912
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:16,560
I have not received one nomination from one council member in my term as mayor,

1913
02:23:16,680 --> 02:23:18,300
in which I did not interview that person.

1914
02:23:18,460 --> 02:23:20,320
I have not always brought those people forward.

1915
02:23:20,320 --> 02:23:27,860
Since this new council has been seeded, there's only one person which I interviewed which I did not bring forward.

1916
02:23:28,020 --> 02:23:38,080
That is a point, no interview. That is already on the code. We've not been doing exactly like the charter said, but it's a nomination.

1917
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:43,520
So if we're going to defer, but I don't want to defer this just to keep deferring different.

1918
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:56,040
So if you want to, you know, if no one agrees, that's fine, we just say we don't want, we want to keep our cities working perfectly and then just vote for, you know, so I don't want to waste anybody else time.

1919
02:23:56,620 --> 02:24:02,140
It is not working perfectly because, because Mr. Horton didn't know he had the power of veto.

1920
02:24:04,100 --> 02:24:08,540
And Mr. Zapata has made a nomination which my office hasn't received.

1921
02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:18,480
I never saw it so maybe you guys need to give a little bit of time for the system in your own months

1922
02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:28,640
Council member Horton have made a motion and is trying to make a month

1923
02:24:29,440 --> 02:24:31,160
So what is your motion council?

1924
02:24:31,560 --> 02:24:36,540
Motion is to defer this to a work session so that we can work more than you

1925
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:40,540
Okay, we have a motion to defer to a work session. Is there a second?

1926
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:42,320
I don't think we need a work session.

1927
02:24:42,600 --> 02:24:44,380
Okay, that fails for a lack of a second.

1928
02:24:44,680 --> 02:24:45,980
I'll second it.

1929
02:24:45,980 --> 02:24:47,300
Okay, any further discussion?

1930
02:24:47,520 --> 02:24:49,500
Would you be willing to change into a committee meeting?

1931
02:24:53,560 --> 02:24:57,200
I think I support studying this further, but I don't want to...

1932
02:24:57,200 --> 02:24:58,660
We've got enough work sessions, guys.

1933
02:24:58,660 --> 02:24:59,760
We need a work session.

1934
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:00,680
I withdraw that move.

1935
02:25:00,920 --> 02:25:01,160
Okay.

1936
02:25:01,160 --> 02:25:15,120
So we have to be able to research, research, dig out the details and have something that we can all feel comfortable with for it, let's say I have a floor.

1937
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:16,940
I didn't see your hand up.

1938
02:25:17,020 --> 02:25:18,680
Well, we have a train room.

1939
02:25:19,400 --> 02:25:25,580
So I would like for you to set a deadline for us and that way just like you don't want other things.

1940
02:25:25,580 --> 02:25:29,080
You know, staff bring back wording to the next committee meeting.

1941
02:25:29,220 --> 02:25:30,100
Give yourself 30 days.

1942
02:25:30,100 --> 02:25:34,340
Staff are here to help you figure out what process you'd like to put in place.

1943
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:38,500
So, if you would want to send it down on, otherwise it's up to you guys.

1944
02:25:38,660 --> 02:25:39,820
Let's have Katrina research.

1945
02:25:40,100 --> 02:25:41,200
How much time do you need to research?

1946
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:43,300
The question is, how much time do you need to research?

1947
02:25:43,580 --> 02:25:45,180
I guess you have to answer this question.

1948
02:25:47,320 --> 02:25:47,980
Thanks, committee.

1949
02:25:48,300 --> 02:25:50,240
Let's move this to the next committee.

1950
02:25:50,400 --> 02:25:54,980
Okay, so we have a motion to defer this for further research.

1951
02:25:54,980 --> 02:25:57,700
to the next committee meeting, which would be September.

1952
02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:01,020
This committee, not just our next committee, okay?

1953
02:26:01,220 --> 02:26:01,320
Yes, sir.

1954
02:26:01,420 --> 02:26:04,680
This committee, which would be, I believe, the 14th.

1955
02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:06,420
We moved that meeting.

1956
02:26:06,700 --> 02:26:08,400
We moved council meeting from Monday to Tuesday.

1957
02:26:08,440 --> 02:26:09,680
Committee from Tuesday to Wednesday.

1958
02:26:09,980 --> 02:26:11,000
I believe that's the committee.

1959
02:26:11,320 --> 02:26:11,940
What would be the committee?

1960
02:26:12,460 --> 02:26:12,620
Five.

1961
02:26:12,860 --> 02:26:14,020
We will not be here then.

1962
02:26:14,020 --> 02:26:14,640
What would be the committee?

1963
02:26:14,760 --> 02:26:15,440
Five was that.

1964
02:26:15,440 --> 02:26:16,840
I have to inform the 14th.

1965
02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:20,100
I mean, you don't have to do that without us, but.

1966
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:22,000
Well, there will be a lot of committee meetings.

1967
02:26:22,140 --> 02:26:24,400
Lots of conversation between now and now.

1968
02:26:24,400 --> 02:26:25,840
Yes, there'll be discussion.

1969
02:26:26,120 --> 02:26:29,760
All right, so we have a motion to defer this to the September and the

1970
02:26:29,760 --> 02:26:31,260
Finance Reconparks Committee meeting.

1971
02:26:31,500 --> 02:26:35,040
There's that second, but also are we going to consider my

1972
02:26:36,280 --> 02:26:39,540
thought about I think for I think that should be I think it's worth

1973
02:26:39,540 --> 02:26:40,640
on it with our area.

1974
02:26:41,820 --> 02:26:44,820
Yes, it's a spot I would appreciate copy of the email which you'd

1975
02:26:44,820 --> 02:26:45,560
save you sent to.

1976
02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:46,160
Okay.

1977
02:26:46,400 --> 02:26:50,040
Okay, it's a problem that we don't have day to present day to

1978
02:26:50,040 --> 02:26:51,960
rather than just hear say.

1979
02:26:51,960 --> 02:26:54,300
And we have a motion at a second, all in favor.

1980
02:26:55,360 --> 02:26:57,520
That would be Councilmember, aye.

1981
02:26:57,600 --> 02:26:57,960
Okay.

1982
02:26:58,860 --> 02:26:59,660
Thank you very much.

1983
02:26:59,740 --> 02:26:59,820
All right.

1984
02:26:59,960 --> 02:27:03,520
So our last item is consideration to review the

1985
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:06,100
Tribunal's vision and vision statements.

1986
02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:06,700
Thank you.

1987
02:27:07,260 --> 02:27:07,700
Thank you.

1988
02:27:08,120 --> 02:27:12,020
This item was after we finished up doing some of the logo

1989
02:27:12,020 --> 02:27:13,180
in the branding initiatives.

1990
02:27:13,180 --> 02:27:17,620
There were some questions in looking at our vision statement

1991
02:27:17,620 --> 02:27:21,360
and mission statement here to see actually Councilmember Horton

1992
02:27:21,360 --> 02:27:26,360
was asking about that. He had a lot of interest in the way it was wording. So as we got to look,

1993
02:27:26,700 --> 02:27:30,400
so you've got a whole bunch of information in your packet, by the way. I just want to let you

1994
02:27:30,400 --> 02:27:35,680
know that there's a reason that this is just for discussion for right now. In meeting with

1995
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:39,360
Council Member Hort, we were sort of looking at what is the vision statement, what is the mission

1996
02:27:39,360 --> 02:27:46,320
statement? We looked at a lot of different examples that are out there and it's really confusing.

1997
02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:49,780
Some people look like they have a vision statement that should be a mission statement.

1998
02:27:49,780 --> 02:27:53,640
Some people's mission statement looks like it ought to be a vision statement.

1999
02:27:54,440 --> 02:28:00,820
So what you have in front of you is our current vision statement for the city, our current

2000
02:28:00,820 --> 02:28:07,620
mission statement, and then you have the regular boring old everyday businessdictionary.com

2001
02:28:08,140 --> 02:28:10,260
definitions of a vision and a mission statement.

2002
02:28:10,860 --> 02:28:15,260
The reason I started off with that on this page is so we're all starting from the same

2003
02:28:15,260 --> 02:28:15,540
place.

2004
02:28:16,400 --> 02:28:22,640
Now, with that, we could maybe get some discussion, Council Member, let me also say then

2005
02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:26,780
the next several pages are division statements that we've had at the city as far back as

2006
02:28:26,780 --> 02:28:30,280
we can find mission statements, core values, strategies.

2007
02:28:31,160 --> 02:28:34,340
So that's kind of what you have in front of you, and then Council Member Horne, I think

2008
02:28:34,340 --> 02:28:38,720
what I want to talk about, is that something we want to look at to update, remind us of what

2009
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:42,620
I saw as a mission statement for the city.

2010
02:28:42,620 --> 02:28:47,620
looked more like a mission statement based on what I know mission I've done

2011
02:28:47,620 --> 02:28:52,120
these mission statements, vision statements through several corporations I've

2012
02:28:52,120 --> 02:28:59,860
been with and every one of them had the approach that I've made with and so I

2013
02:28:59,860 --> 02:29:05,000
thought and we don't have to discuss this tonight we've got the information here

2014
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:09,700
I would like to take a look at it we can decide not to move forward

2015
02:29:09,700 --> 02:29:14,880
to any change, but once you've had a chance to review the material, I think then we can

2016
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:20,460
have more discussion. I don't think it's appropriate tonight to discuss, because I think

2017
02:29:20,460 --> 02:29:23,260
you need to take a look at the material. There's a lot of people out of me for that.

2018
02:29:23,260 --> 02:29:29,960
Can you view as a, you know, how to approach these? I mean, how to, well, you know, a mission

2019
02:29:29,960 --> 02:29:39,680
statement is supposed to be a succinct idea of actions you want to take to be who

2020
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:47,780
you want to be, okay? And it's very succinct. It should be short enough that every employee,

2021
02:29:48,060 --> 02:29:56,100
every person can recite it from memory with a gun pointed their head, just plain and simple.

2022
02:29:56,100 --> 02:29:58,100
That is the mission statement.

2023
02:29:58,180 --> 02:29:59,700
A vision statement is

2024
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:17,860
Actually, more detail of how you get there, and what you ultimately want to be, years down the road. So, the mission statement is more a tactical aspect, whereas the visual statement is more strategic.

2025
02:30:19,480 --> 02:30:23,300
I don't disagree but I think it might be helpful because I know we've done this at

2026
02:30:23,300 --> 02:30:26,840
least twice that I can remember maybe more where we've literally had like every

2027
02:30:26,840 --> 02:30:32,120
tree and we spent the whole day on this kind of stuff and I've never I guess

2028
02:30:32,120 --> 02:30:36,040
ultimately there's point to it but I've never been a huge doing on spending too

2029
02:30:36,040 --> 02:30:40,860
much time on this but we literally had everybody had their posted notes and we

2030
02:30:40,860 --> 02:30:44,580
put them on there and then we put it all together and then we had you know try

2031
02:30:44,580 --> 02:30:46,800
and meld them together, and then we had, you know,

2032
02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:47,560
three or three more meetings.

2033
02:30:47,820 --> 02:30:49,820
So, we've had a lot of process to do this.

2034
02:30:49,960 --> 02:30:52,460
Now, you know, it's totally valid to reconsider

2035
02:30:52,460 --> 02:30:54,200
and see if this is the best way to do that.

2036
02:30:54,740 --> 02:30:57,440
But, I just want to be careful, and it may be helpful

2037
02:30:57,440 --> 02:30:59,060
to say this is where this came from

2038
02:30:59,060 --> 02:31:00,720
as a process where this was created.

2039
02:31:01,060 --> 02:31:03,740
Because it was, I think, it was not just

2040
02:31:03,740 --> 02:31:05,020
the council this last time for this.

2041
02:31:05,300 --> 02:31:05,800
It was actually.

2042
02:31:05,960 --> 02:31:08,080
It was community, yes, you know, group.

2043
02:31:08,120 --> 02:31:08,980
I could give you all was there.

2044
02:31:09,220 --> 02:31:12,100
We've had, and we can go back kind of pull that chronology

2045
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:23,480
And I'm just saying, you know, my understanding of these two items is different than what I'm

2046
02:31:23,480 --> 02:31:24,040
seeing here.

2047
02:31:25,300 --> 02:31:30,040
And I would just like to, you know, I don't have any objections to seeing what we have.

2048
02:31:31,260 --> 02:31:35,780
I just think that we're different counsel.

2049
02:31:36,340 --> 02:31:37,040
If we can improve.

2050
02:31:37,460 --> 02:31:38,040
I'm all for improvement.

2051
02:31:38,280 --> 02:31:41,340
And I do think generally, you probably should re-look at these every now and then I'm not

2052
02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:48,540
and we were here for business changes.

2053
02:31:50,760 --> 02:31:55,840
And that was part of the reason in our discussion that we thought we would bring what we've

2054
02:31:55,840 --> 02:32:01,020
done in the past, and we gave you an idea to look at what characteristics were important,

2055
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,260
what's changed and what's in there today.

2056
02:32:03,560 --> 02:32:07,540
So we just pulled all that together for you to take a look at.

2057
02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:10,880
There's other things in there like Corvai,

2058
02:32:11,080 --> 02:32:12,360
he's strategically going to strive

2059
02:32:12,360 --> 02:32:12,880
with these others.

2060
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:14,700
There's kind of a lot of things,

2061
02:32:14,700 --> 02:32:16,060
the council report was calling,

2062
02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:18,720
that there may be able

2063
02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:20,500
to make better straight lines

2064
02:32:20,500 --> 02:32:21,860
or use some different warning.

2065
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:23,240
So the wording, actually then,

2066
02:32:23,780 --> 02:32:24,600
if I'm to correctly,

2067
02:32:24,720 --> 02:32:27,460
should be the mission shorter than the vision.

2068
02:32:28,140 --> 02:32:28,240
Right.

2069
02:32:28,580 --> 02:32:30,080
Mission statement is typically muddle shorter.

2070
02:32:30,400 --> 02:32:31,060
So the key is opposite.

2071
02:32:31,060 --> 02:32:31,740
The key is opposite.

2072
02:32:32,180 --> 02:32:33,560
You absolutely should be able,

2073
02:32:33,740 --> 02:32:36,140
every employee for the city of Roswell

2074
02:32:36,140 --> 02:32:40,760
should be able to have it right at their fingertips, right at the end of their tongue.

2075
02:32:41,620 --> 02:32:45,780
Anybody calls and said, well, what's the mission statement they shouldn't be able to recite it right now?

2076
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:46,800
Every important.

2077
02:32:47,260 --> 02:32:51,400
Telling what's your job, and there's that old example about the janitor, and that's on,

2078
02:32:51,640 --> 02:32:54,760
somebody says, what's your job, and he said, is the man on the moon?

2079
02:32:54,980 --> 02:32:55,160
Right.

2080
02:32:55,560 --> 02:32:59,020
It's the same concept, and I'm pleased to count.

2081
02:32:59,020 --> 02:33:02,320
Okay, so I think it's great yet to review these and update them.

2082
02:33:02,320 --> 02:33:09,900
I think there's no time crunch on this.

2083
02:33:10,440 --> 02:33:17,400
So what I would like to see is that we take time to study these things between now and

2084
02:33:18,280 --> 02:33:20,620
I would say two committee meetings from now.

2085
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:24,760
So you have time to review it, I promise, I have time to put it aside.

2086
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:46,240
Okay, so we will then regroup on this topic in the October maybe anything else for me all right thank you very much

2087
02:33:46,240 --> 02:33:47,140
Thank you.