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Good evening, and welcome to the City of Roswell Mayor and City Council meeting for October 24, 2022.

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I'm Mayor Kurt Wilson. I'd like to acknowledge my colleagues and Council members present. Council member Christine Hall. Council member Lee Hills. Council member William Mortlin. Council member Michael Polermo. Council member Dr. Peter Vandstrom.

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I'd like to turn over to our city administrator, Mr. Randy Knighton, to explain how the meeting

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is run.

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Mr. Knighton.

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Thank you, Mayor Wilson.

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In accordance with section chapter 3.70 of the city code, the city council shall hold regular

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public meetings.

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The purpose of city council meetings are for the public to participate and speak on agenda

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items, which constitute formal decisions by the elected body.

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These items are listed on the published agenda which can be accessed via the city website prior to the meeting.

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This is a public meeting and some items to require a formal public hearing.

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A significant and important component of city council meetings are to hear directly from citizens on the items listed on the agenda.

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public comments or questions are essential for the bear in council to incorporate as they contemplate each decision.

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Citizens are at the top of the organizational chart and therefore it is imperative for bear in council to hear from citizens in these meetings.

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If you would like to speak on an item, we ask that you fill out a comment card, which are located in the back of the room and at the podium in order to ensure

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and accurate record of the meeting.

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We ask, of course, that everyone observed the principles of mutual respect and display the appropriate

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demeanor during the course of the meeting this evening, which should be in his reflective

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of this great community.

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The mayor is the presiding officer of the meeting and will ensure the orderly exchange of

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comments, questions, and discussion leading to decision making by the elected body.

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But also encourage everyone in attendance in the viewing audience to visit the city website

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for meetings of Vincent Department of Information.

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We also encourage you to review and participate in the various activities and offerings

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in the city.

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There are a number of events in special meetings scheduled coming up in the city of Roswell

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that the mayor will talk about under the mayor's report, which promote community physical

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activity in leisure, as we all make Roswell, the number one family community in America.

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There we'll see.

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Thank you, Mr. Niting. Yesterday, myself and Councilmember Christine Hall and Councilmember

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Lee Hills had the great privilege of being at Roswell's first Baptist Church to celebrate

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the 150th commemoration in Anniversary of the Church, and we're

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fortunate tonight that we have the Pastor Kevin Hidd from

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First Baptist Church here in Roswell, and I'd like to ask Pastor Hidd to

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come up front and lead us in an indication of moments on it.

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Pastor Hidd.

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Thank you, and thank you for recognizing our 150th anniversary on behalf of

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our church.

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We are grateful to be a part of this city and thankful for all that you did to make any

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great place.

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Join me as we pray together.

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As we gather together this evening, we are grateful that we gather as free people, free people in a great city, state and nation, prepared to so many people in this world we are blessed for we are free to pursue the life we choose, free to worship as we so desire, free to serve others to work and strengthen this community.

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But even as we give thanks tonight for these blessings, we remember that there are those

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around us who are still in need.

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As good as life is for many of us difficulties remain.

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There are those in our city who are anxious and concerned and afraid.

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Some in our community have lost jobs and are emptying their savings.

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other suffer physically from disease, failing health, some are impacted by drug abuse, addictions

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and other aspects of life.

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All of these experiences are sometimes magnified by economic concerns and political divisions

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and strife.

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In this dark world we need light, we need grace and mercy for each other.

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We need love in our communities and in this great city.

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We ask for peace to replace anger, assurance to overcome fear and worry, and grace to look past our differences and to work for unity.

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Be with these city leaders, bless them, empower them, grant them wisdom, patience, and a keen sense to do what is best.

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Guide them to creative ways of dealing with the challenges that we all face.

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Help them and all of us to know that even when we cannot do great things, we can do small things in great ways.

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May each of these leaders know of our appreciation for their service and leadership among us be with them as they strive with integrity and determination to do that which is good for all of us.

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for I make this my prayer in your precious and holy name. Amen.

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Thank you, Pastor Kevin

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Head, of the Roswell First Baptist Church. At this time I'd like to call David

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Redrick, who is a member of the Roswell Rotary Club, and also a boy scout troop, 1985, from

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Northbrook, United Methodist Church, and boys scout troop, 432, from Roswell, United

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of Beth message church to come forward and lead us in the pledge.

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Your veteran or in the service please salute if not put your hand over your heart and join us.

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Me, I am brethren, and the two troops here saying the pledge to the best nation.

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I'm going to play the allegiance to the flag, which is saying one nation, under God, indivisible, and then be in justice law.

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I just wish they play ball after that, but we can't.

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Thank you, David Reddick.

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Thank you, Boy Scout Troop, 1985, from Northbrook United Methodist Church, and Boy Scout Troop,

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for 32 from Roswell United Methodist Church.

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Thank you so much.

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Well, next on the agenda is the Mayor's report.

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And my first item is the reading of a proclamation

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for the esteemed veteran of Roswell Award.

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To United States Army War War II veteran,

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private first class, Harry Douglas Allen Jr.

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At this time, I'd like to call, United States Army War

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War II veteran, private first class, Harry Douglas Allen Jr.

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forward for the proclamation.

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I'll let you have the hope for the rest of the time.

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I promise you, they want to hear you much more.

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They want to hear for me.

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Proclamation, Office of the Mayor, Private First Class,

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Harry Douglas, Ellen Junior, World War II,

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esteemed veteran of Roswell.

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We're as in 1946, shortly after Harry Douglas Allen Jr.'s 18th birthday, he had listed

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into the United States Army.

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Doug had just completed his first year at the University of Virginia studying economics.

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Doug first reported to the induction center, Campwood, New Jersey, where there were still

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German, prisoner of war soldiers being detained, and then he was transferred to nearby Fort

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It was later realized that the Army had lost his paperwork and not only did he have to do all the paperwork again, including re-taking the general reclassification test, sorry the general classification test, but he received the highest score reported at the base.

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Doug completed Infantry Basic Training at Fort McClellan, Alabama, volunteered for paratroopers

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school and was transferred to Fort Benning, Georgia. After several weeks of training, flying

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and gliders, and attempting a jump out of a C-46, he realized he was terrified of heights,

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so he withdrew his application.

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Doug was then sent orders to go to camp Stoman, California,

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where he was ordered to report to the USS General William Wiggle Tripshup Tripshup Tripshup

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ship in San Francisco and sell to Korea. He disembarked at the port of Inchon, going as

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sure in a landing craft in the mud and snow due to poor docking facilities for such a

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large ship. And whereas Doug was assigned to the Army Postal Service at Young Dong Poe,

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New Cell and his duties were to handle and process postal money orders requested by the

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soldiers, so they could send money back home to the United States.

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He also performed guard duties as well in the base.

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He would ride as a guard on trucks, head to Kim Poe Airfield, and the port of Inchon,

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to pick up incoming mail arriving by plane and ship.

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And whereas while the hostilities had ended in August of 1945, War War II was not officially

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declared over until December of 1946 by President Truman.

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During his tour in Korea, Doug and a fellow soldier hiked into a nearby forest several miles

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away from the base toward the 38th parallel which divided north and south Korea.

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Before open warfare between the two areas began in 1950, it was the location of frequent

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across the line firing and other incidents between the two countries.

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While hiking in the forest, they were suddenly confronted by several North Korean soldiers with bayonet rifles and ordered to march towards the 38 parallel.

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After an hour of being captured, they reached several small huts.

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Dog and his fellow soldiers found an opportunity to evade the North Koreans and ran into the surrounding thick forest.

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The North Korean soldiers followed them and chased them for ten very long minutes, but finally

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retreated, and dug in his body, arrived safely back at the base.

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Whereas in August 1947, the United States Army bestowed and ordered private first-class

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Harry Douglas Allen, the following metals.

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Army Occupation Medal, Japan,

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and Rifle Markman Ship Medal.

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Following his military service,

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Doug returned to the University of Virginia

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and graduated in June of 1949

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with the degree and economics.

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Doug initially worked in banking

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and then in the retail credit industry

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becoming a pioneer in the consumer credit industry.

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He received numerous recognitions, consulted with members of Congress on creating the Consumer

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Fair Credit Reporting Act, and ultimately retired from his career at Equifax as Regional

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Vice President.

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Doug is proud to be a father of six, grandfather of 13, and great-grandfather of 32.

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All wonderful children and blessings in his life at a resident Roswell for 36 years.

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Now, therefore, I, Curtain Wilson, Mayor of the City of Roswell, do hereby name

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Warwar II veteran, Private First Class, Harry Douglas, Alan Jr., and the steam veteran

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of Roswell, and call upon all our citizens to recognize as outstanding service to our country,

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and our community, and that there is no higher calling than those who have served in the United

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States aren't forces.

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Thank you very much, Mayor Wilson, and thank you to the City Council.

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I appreciate what you're doing.

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I know there are thousands of veterans out there, and they appreciate fact that you all are willing

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to make it a point to say thank you to them.

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and I appreciate that on there by half.

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And everything you said, I remember all that.

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And of course, I was only 18, 19 years old at the time.

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I thought I was having fun. You'd be surprised how fast you can run, but somebody point, about five

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fellows, point rifles have me. I could have outrun anybody.

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So I do thank you on behalf of the other

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veterans. It couldn't be here and my family for being here. I thank all of you and thank you

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May I have very much.

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Thank you, Mr. Helen.

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Thank you, sir.

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So, we just stay here on O'Counsel,

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what's it come down for a picture?

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Yes, yes.

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Yeah, let's just stay right here for a second.

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Yes, sir.

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Oh, okay.

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Thank you.

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That's a good one.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I can't believe it.

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I can't believe it.

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I can't believe it.

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I can't believe it.

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I can't believe it.

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Yes exactly.

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I have.

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Please.

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Excuse me, please.

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I have.

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Oh, yeah.

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I'm going to get a good picture.

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Hold on.

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Hold on.

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Yes, right.

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Right.

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What's the problem?

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Hold on.

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It's right.

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the

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greatest generation.

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Thank you all so much. The last item under the mayor's report is

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coming events in the City of Roswell and quite a few that our City Clerk Marley Press is

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giving me a bunch here so bear with me. This Saturday October 29th from 2 to PM here on City

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Hall grounds will be the day of the dead celebration. Great fun for all the family. Visitors

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of all ages are invited to celebrate this traditional Mexican holiday. The day of the dead

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is traditionally celebrated on October 31st or November 2nd in the central and southern regions

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of Mexico, and this holiday is centered around the remembrance of lost loved ones as communities

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come together to celebrate their memory and pray for their safe spiritual journey.

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So come join a society and city hall grounds from 2 to 8 o'clock to celebrate day of the

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In reverence to the bond road shows that the staff and city council and mayor of the city have been participating in.

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We have a meeting tomorrow.

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Tuesday, October 25th from 7 to 9.

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7 PM to 9 PM at the adult recreation center at 830 Grimesbridge Road.

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The following night, Wednesday, October 26th.

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There is also a bond roadshow meeting at the, at St. Andrew Catholic Church.

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The church is located at 675 Riverside Road.

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And that meeting is also from 7 to 9.

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And there is one more scheduled for next Tuesday, November 1st,

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at Brookfield Country Club at 100 Willow Run Drive.

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The time of that meeting will be 515 p.m. to 630 p.m.

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All are welcome. Again, a meeting tomorrow night, Tuesday, October 23, 5th from 7 to 9,

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a meeting Wednesday, October 26th from 7 to 9, and a meeting next Tuesday, November 3rd,

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that will be the end of, I think, 10 or 11 meetings that counts on staff have participated on the

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road show, and obviously we look forward to meeting all of our fellow residents. Obviously,

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Early voting has begun and we'll be continuing through November 4 for the city's special election for the Bond referendum,

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the three questions on the ballot, and for filling the unexfired term of Roswell City Council post one,

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and remember you can also vote on election day, but early voting is available.

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City Council meeting, date change.

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Next week, the Open Forum, I think, was scheduled for Monday, October 31st.

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It has been moved to Tuesday, November 1st.

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That's the City Council meeting, Open Forum, was originally scheduled for a Monday, October

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31st.

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It's been moved to Tuesday, November 1st.

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Also, there's a location change.

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I don't know if this is a first or not.

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I'll ask the resident historian, Mr. Davidson.

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But on November the 14th, the mayor and city,

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the mayor and council meeting will take place,

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not here at City Hall, but at East Roswell Park

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Recreation Center at 7 p.m.,

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a lot of logistics and telepices are having to be put together

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to make sure that that meeting can be properly broadcast.

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But on November the 14th, the mayor and council meeting

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will not be here, it will be at East Roswell Park Recreation Center at 7 p.m.

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Let's see.

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Oh, I have two things that are brand new that I know we're very excited to tell you about.

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This year, on Veterans Day, Friday, November 11th at the Roswell Area Park.

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That's 1495 Woodstock Road, the Roswell Area Park, on Friday, November 5th.

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We will be having a breakfast and an honor walk and a ceremony to honor our veterans here in

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Roswell.

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And I ask that for a sign up for veterans and their families for the breakfast and ceremony,

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we'll be available starting this Wednesday, ADM, is that right, Robin?

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So starting Wednesday, today's Monday, obviously.

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So Wednesday at ADM on our city's website, Roswellgov.com, we ask for Roswell veterans and

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families, the sign up for the breakfast and for the ceremony. We're very excited about this.

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This will be at the Roswell area park. The breakfast will be at the Bill Johnson Community

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Activity Building. The breakfast will be by flying biscuit. There'll be a very, very, I guess,

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a big part of the summer ceremony will be an honor walk to the lake at 9.30 a.m.

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And then

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will area park pond at 10 a.m. So I urge all veterans here in the city of Roswell starting

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this Wednesday at 8 a.m. to sign up for yourself and your loved ones and we look forward

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to seeing you there. Something that this council and staff have been working on for several

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months is very excited to let you know. I think that there's something that's a big change

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and that is the Christmas tree lighting. The city will be holding the Christmas tree lighting

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this year at the heart of Roswell Park on Canton Street from 6 AM, sorry, 6 PM to 8 PM Friday

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December the 2nd to kick off the holiday Christmas season.

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That is the Christmas tree lining.

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This year we'll be at the heart of Roswell Park on Canton Street Friday, December the 2nd

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from 6 to 8 PM.

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We'll be celebrating with Christmas carols, hot chocolate, fire pits and s'mores, a special

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reading of Quest the night before Christmas, and a lighting, first time ever, of a 40-foot Christmas

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tree.

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We'll also obviously have a special visit from Santa Claus, and I will tell you at the historic

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town square, the city is providing 36-foot Christmas trees for groups or individuals to

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come and decorate, but you have to apply and register to secure a tree.

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This is on a first-come first-served basis, so if you're interested, the application will be

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On the city's website, Roswookup.com, also beginning this Wednesday, November the 8th.

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So two things were very excited about the Veterans Day Program and Christmas Tree Lighting

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those are new for us.

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And let's see.

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Next is the Consent Agenda.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Point of clarification from Councillor member Christine Hall.

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Well, I don't have my notes here, Christine.

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So anything I say might be, might be suspect, but would you like to elaborate on that?

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Christine, would you like to elaborate on that?

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Okay. Thank you for that question.

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There will be no charge for those thirty six-foot trees to be

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obviously register on the website.

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And decorate.

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We look forward for all kinds of great community organizations

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in our great community design up for that.

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Next is the consent agenda.

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Does council have any questions or comments regarding the consent

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agenda already items on the consent agenda.

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Thank you, Council. Is there anyone any

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Rosswell residents that would like to speak on the consent agenda?

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Being that there are no Rosswell residents who like to speak on it, I would like to bring

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it back to Council. Do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda?

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Motion to approve the consent agenda. Motion made by Council member Hills, do I have a second?

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Seconded by Council member Will Mortlin. All those in favor of passing the consent agenda, please

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raise your hands. The consent agenda passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

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Next is the community

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development department. Council member Mike Polarmo, would you read the first community

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development item please sir. Thank you, Mayor Wilson. Item number one approval of RZ20223893

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to remove his zoning condition at zero river rapid strife. Ms. Martin?

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We have Resoning 2-022-3893, put into the system is 0 River Rapids Drive, but it is also known

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as 1-001 Old Alabama Road.

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These are the River Walk Townhouses.

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They are requesting a change of zoning conditions.

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They would like to remove the condition to build a meandering walking path.

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Here's the area showing the location.

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There's going to our TH.

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A little site analysis.

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There is 12.55 acres on the site.

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There are 56 townhouse units.

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The build out is complete.

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The project was approved in March of 2016 with 24 conditions.

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And one of them read the site plan is amended to include the meandering

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walk-in paths shown on the applicant's rendering presented to the board of directors of Martin's

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landing on February 23, 2016.

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This is a staff approximation of that meandering walking path.

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You can see it's entirely contained in the River Walk development.

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One portion of it does connect to Old Alabama Road.

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It also connects to internal sidewalks in the development.

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Does not connect to any other development.

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The condition was added during the March 2016 mayor and council meeting based on a request from the representatives of the Martin's landing subdivisions.

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However, as shown on the plans, you can see the trail is not connected to Martin's landing.

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Application to remove the condition to build the trail.

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Include the signatures from 38 townhouse units of wherever

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Walk indicating opposition to the installation of the trail.

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That's about 68% of the units.

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Here's a 2021 aerial image.

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You can see it's pretty much built out.

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There are internal sidewalks.

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Staff has approximated the meandering walking trail in red.

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staff recommends approval of the request to remove the zoning condition for the meandering walking path.

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The applicant is present tonight, but won't be making any further presentations.

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Do you have any questions?

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Any other additional questions or comments on the matter?

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Absicent is obviously welcome to come forward, but there's an applicant need to come forward at this point.

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As he does not.

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Okay, very good. Is there anyone from the public that would like to come speak on this item? Yes, ma'am.

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What can you come on up here and come join us if you like our bring a microphone if you'd

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rather stay in the back, but please keep your comments to less than 27 minutes.

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You got five, Jokey.

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Please tell us who you are and where you live in Roswell.

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Even mayor and council members, thank you for this opportunity to share.

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My name is Katherine Copp.

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I'm an Atlanta native and a 12 year resident of Roswell and I'm a public river walk at Roswell.

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I'm a licensed clinical social worker and void as a therapist with JF and CS Atlanta.

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Personally and professionally as a mental health clinician, I believe that nature and exercise

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offer a measurable benefits for our overall physical and emotional health.

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Trails, parks and open space are encouraged throughout the Roswell 2030, 2035 and 2040

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comprehensive plans.

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This last week, during early voting, I cast my ballot in support of Roswell's bond question

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number one, which seeks $107.6 million for recreation, parks, bicycle and pedestrian paths

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and sidewalks.

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As you know, most of not all of those projects included in this bond involve trail improvements.

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Tonight, though, you'll be asked to believe that a nature trail in Riverwalk will post

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significant risks to the environment as well as to the health and safety of our neighborhood.

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We will also be told that the majority of homeowners are opposed to it.

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The Riverwalk HOA Board also spoke with homeowners and found that a majority are in favor of the trail,

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and I have a copy of those signatures as well.

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If it seems illogical that anyone would refuse such an amenity,

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let me share how we now find ourselves here.

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This past spring, the community development department, was made aware that told brothers had neglected to install the nature path at Riverwalk and subsequently directed told brothers to complete the project.

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On June 21st, stakes were placed in preparation for the trail.

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Immediately, the HOA board was made aware of opposition to the trail by several homeowners who claimed they were promised by told brothers that nothing would ever be constructed in the rear of their homes.

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For the site plan, which you have just seen, and with the exception of just two units,

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no other house will be as close to the trail as mine.

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As I look out my window at where the trail would be, it will be a challenge to see it

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through the trees.

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And while I can't comprehend how a meandering much faster through the woods could be considered

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construction, nonetheless a hostile and intimidating opposition campaign began in the community

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hitting neighbor against neighbor.

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This small group of homeowners went door-to-door collecting signatures, either in favor or opposed

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to the trail.

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Some votes have undecided, could be considered as opposed.

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One of those homeowners is a tolbrothers' employee, and his warning that tolbrothers will

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intentionally do a crappy job in stalling the trail, was unwittingly clung video by a

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doorbell camera.

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Miss leading an erroneous information was distributed to the community.

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I also have a copy of this memorandum to illustrate the dishonest statements that were presented as facts.

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The intent of this campaign was to incite fear, anger, and paranoia, and it was successful.

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A few of the arguments made against the trail were that it would jeopardize the personal safety, security, and general well-being of all homeowners.

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It would cause habitat loss and also lower dangerous wildlife onto the property.

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One homeowner argued that a trail would provide opportunity for someone to come into the

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neighborhood and steal her bait.

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With the hope of putting people's minds at ease, the HOA board responded quickly with

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clarifying statements from the Norbromberg, J.R. Crow at Tolbrothers, the vendor charged

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with installing the trail and ray engineering incorporated.

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I have a copy of the board's riverwalk mulch trail FAQs that were disseminated to the neighborhood.

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Unfortunately, the prevailing hostility that had galvanized some also silenced many.

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Of the three board members, one moved away and the other two resigned.

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Even now, I find it difficult to comprehend the degree of animosity and wild behavior that I've witnessed.

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Primarily from just three households, not just directed at the HOA board members, but also towards vendors who came into Riverwalk to perform requested maintenance and repairs, as well as towards our management company.

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For our recent annual meeting in September, a Roswell police officer was hired by the management company in response to aggressive communications received from one of those households.

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The homeowner who was in favor of the trail said she was reluctant to make her opinion known for fear of being bullied.

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Another neighbor was told that she had to make a choice.

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You can't be friends with us and friends with them.

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I say it is not to air the difficulties that we're working through as a community.

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But instead to encourage you to challenge the inaccurate perspective being shared that the community is against the trail.

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We move to Riverwalk for access to nature and trails consistent with surrounding communities.

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Thank you, ma'am.

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Thank you so much.

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I really appreciate your time.

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I appreciate your courage coming up here.

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Thank you.

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Are there other reasonable residents to be able to speak on the matter?

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Yes, sir.

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Please share with us your name and where you live in Roswell.

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Yes, my name is Don Goodman.

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I live at Riverwalk, subdivision.

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I've been in the real estate business for 40 years, and I don't want to, I don't have a

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prepared statement.

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I didn't think I'd have to have a prepared statement, but I can tell you that the 38 residents

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that did sign it were under no pressure to sign this.

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Basically what we were worried about is the connection onto Old Alabama Road, having public access

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number one. Number two, once the trial was prepared, then the H2A had to maintain the trail.

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And so, you know, looking at a budget, it was going to be 3,000 a year, 1,000 a year,

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5,000 a year to maintain the trail. And right now, we want to work on our current landscape

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and on our current flowers rather than having to maintain the trail on the back. You can see that

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the trail is very close to the one set of buildings in the back back there. Those people

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had beautiful decks back there and to watch the dogs walk by constantly was an issue. The trail

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that Catherine speaking about, by the way, I do appreciate Catherine speaking up here. There was

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from my perspective, nothing was negative ever said about her or her husband who was on the board

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from my perspective. But the trail that's on that side already exists and it existed prior to

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the things being built.

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So our main issue was access from a public road to the fact

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that we have to maintain three.

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It's not even an amenity.

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The trail is going to be a little three-foot mulch.

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There's not going to be any landscaping layer underneath

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that we're going to have to constantly maintain it

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from the weeds.

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And then with wash, so there's no siding or anything to maintain

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the trail, it's three foot wide.

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And you can, there's no way that anybody could pass on the trail.

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That was a, no thanks.

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So we didn't even think it was an amenity.

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What was the purpose of it?

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It was too close to our homes.

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And she is correct that every home that was purchased,

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the 26th of the 56 were told by Tolbrothers

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that nothing would ever be constructed back there.

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That is a buffer.

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It's a protected buffer.

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I think it's part of the Chad of Huchin National.

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Part of the Chad of Huchin National force or something like that.

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I know there's a big 150 foot, I don't know.

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Maybe Togra could speak to us a little bit more.

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But we just thought that nothing would ever

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be constructed back there.

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And that's why there's definitely 38 residents

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that were under no pressure to say have the trail,

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or not have the trail.

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That's from our perspective.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Can there's a question from Council?

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Do you have a, sir, can you take one question from Council?

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Yeah, just real quick.

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You mentioned part of this trail was already in existence, what was that?

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So from, again, I don't have a way to point, but from the very far right, on my far right,

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there is a section that goes out, I mean, it's not the red, if you look on your thing,

458
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,680
you can see there's a little path that's already back there.

459
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,760
I mean, you walk down the end of our road this way, you walk down stairs, and then there's

460
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:49,980
a little tiny rock trail that goes right to the wish I could point to it, but I can't.

461
00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:09,010
But this is Julie, if you look at town house 3045 and just to the right of that.

462
00:40:09,010 --> 00:40:09,590
It down.

463
00:40:09,970 --> 00:40:11,730
Sound a little right there.

464
00:40:12,030 --> 00:40:12,270
Right there.

465
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:14,410
And then follow that great path down.

466
00:40:14,670 --> 00:40:16,130
And then come up this right there.

467
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:17,210
That's it.

468
00:40:17,550 --> 00:40:19,110
That's what already exists.

469
00:40:21,610 --> 00:40:22,150
Thank you, sir.

470
00:40:22,510 --> 00:40:22,850
Very much.

471
00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:23,490
Thank you.

472
00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:24,670
Yes, sir.

473
00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:26,450
Welcome.

474
00:40:27,070 --> 00:40:27,090
Hi.

475
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:28,070
My name is Ken Palmer.

476
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:31,350
My wife and I live at Ripper, Ripper Walk.

477
00:40:31,870 --> 00:40:37,490
I just wanted to say, when my wife and I were going to purchase in the community, we're

478
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:39,170
never told that there was going to be a trail.

479
00:40:39,690 --> 00:40:41,270
It's supposed to be a gateway community.

480
00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:43,910
We do outgates on both sides.

481
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:44,910
We have walls.

482
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:50,470
And if I would have known that there was going to be a pathway so close, we wouldn't have

483
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:50,970
moved in.

484
00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:55,090
It's an unscarrows, and that's to get her probably the leaf for 30 years.

485
00:40:55,670 --> 00:41:00,030
It's unscarrows. In fact, across the road, I believe it's west.

486
00:41:01,430 --> 00:41:04,810
There's encampments of transients.

487
00:41:05,350 --> 00:41:08,210
I see them all the time on Old Alabama walking.

488
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:12,150
It's just something that concerns us.

489
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:18,830
Also, the fact that people that are using the so-called path

490
00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:24,630
make it injured. They can use our green space. They're cutting right through the dog park.

491
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:27,030
We've got a dog park. I don't know the dimensions.

492
00:41:29,330 --> 00:41:36,690
And also, I don't think that's accurate because I've walked it as the path in the back.

493
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:40,810
There's 20 homes on the back side.

494
00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:49,710
This right, if you stand up on the hill, there's a hill, you can literally, it's like this far from you.

495
00:41:50,110 --> 00:41:53,870
You can look into their bathrooms, you can look into their homes.

496
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:56,190
It's very, very close.

497
00:41:56,730 --> 00:42:05,830
If you look on the end there, it almost cuts into, I think it's 70 or 70, 70, 50 right into their backyard.

498
00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:16,680
And another thing, when the trail was explained to us by Paul Kopp, who was at the time

499
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,780
he stepped down a board member, we were totally misled.

500
00:42:21,660 --> 00:42:29,600
He did not explain the trail, in fact, I think it was a little bit more of them being misled.

501
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:36,320
I think it was purposely misled because he wanted the trail because he wanted, as he said,

502
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:43,940
and my wife is witness. He wanted told brothers to pay for the trail because he was

503
00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:50,280
disgruntled with told brothers. I don't think it's a good idea and I believe that

504
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:56,160
it's not right for our community, it's supposed to be a secure community. That's

505
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,900
what I'll have to say. Thank you, sir.

506
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:06,790
Thank you.

507
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,120
Welcome.

508
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:10,620
Thank you.

509
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:11,060
Thank you.

510
00:43:11,060 --> 00:43:11,740
Thanks so much for being here.

511
00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:12,980
Please share with us who you are.

512
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,100
Your name and where you live?

513
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:15,300
My name is Hannah Span.

514
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:17,500
I live at 50, 30 River Rapids Drive.

515
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:18,760
I'm a single woman.

516
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:19,860
I live by myself.

517
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,000
Again, I was not told by the River Well, I'm sorry.

518
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:25,300
The sharp community when I purchased my place.

519
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:26,680
That there would be a trail.

520
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:29,540
We were told about the side little dog walking trail.

521
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:33,300
But we were not told that there would be this me and during walking trail behind.

522
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,480
And so I'm asking for the safety of people like me to consider that.

523
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,680
So I have to thank you.

524
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,120
Thank you, man. Very much. Yes, sir.

525
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:43,800
The Red and Blue shirt. Welcome.

526
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:48,860
Please share with us your name and where you live here in Roswell.

527
00:43:55,390 --> 00:43:57,750
Good evening, sir. My name is Gustavo Jamosa.

528
00:43:58,090 --> 00:44:04,090
I live in the River Walk in very close to the construction of the trail.

529
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:07,130
I'm not going to take time.

530
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:13,920
your time speaking about security privacy, which would be lost for some of our houses there.

531
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:22,690
I love walking in trails, but what hasn't been mentioned here, Riverwalk is probably a hundred

532
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:30,290
guards away from the Riverwalk from the Riverside trails. We have miles of trails,

533
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:38,910
maintained by the city. So there is no need for very small trail, which wouldn't be any advantage

534
00:44:38,910 --> 00:44:45,910
to walk in there, you know. So it's very easy to walk down the street from all Alabama road

535
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:52,870
and you have a thousand miles of trails that we love hearing in Roffell as you know. So there is no

536
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:54,570
for this additional frame.

537
00:44:59,060 --> 00:44:59,980
Thank you, sir. Very much.

538
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,240
Much appreciated. Anyone else, would like to speak? On the matter? Yes, sir.

539
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,320
He's feeling that that yellow comment card.

540
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:12,100
Might as well get started on yours.

541
00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:22,070
My name is Michael Dacy. I am a resident of Riverwalk Community, 4010 River Rapids Drive.

542
00:45:22,570 --> 00:45:28,730
My unit is the unit on the image there at the bottom right corner.

543
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:37,010
healthy, southeast corner, if you will, as you can see with the location of the trail, the

544
00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:43,830
supposed location of the trail, my unit would be affected on two sides, like some of the

545
00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:49,090
others have mentioned, I was promised, sorry, like some of the others have mentioned,

546
00:45:51,610 --> 00:45:57,910
oh, okay, like others have mentioned, I was promised that there would be no trail ever

547
00:45:59,390 --> 00:46:03,810
I would not have purchased my unit if the trail was to be installed.

548
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:09,390
In fact, excuse me, in fact, I paid extra for that specific unit,

549
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:12,330
because I was assured there would be privacy there forever.

550
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:16,610
I do believe that there is a privacy concern.

551
00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:18,550
I do believe there is a safety concern.

552
00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:21,210
I do believe it would negatively impact nature.

553
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:24,880
I will have to say.

554
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:25,900
Thank you.

555
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:27,800
Thank you, sir.

556
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,800
appreciate your time.

557
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,800
Would anybody else like to speak on the matter?

558
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Now, is your chance?

559
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:39,960
Now, Jason, you don't really have to say in this matter.

560
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:41,200
Come on now.

561
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:43,160
Let's leave it to the community.

562
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,100
Give me one second.

563
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:53,520
Let me make sure, I think there's anybody else in the Riverside community

564
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,800
who likes, yes, ma'am?

565
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,680
My name is Joey Antishman.

566
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:59,700
I live at 50, 20 River Rapids.

567
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,540
And I would just like for everyone who is against the trail to raise our hand

568
00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:06,540
because we all can get up and speak.

569
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,240
And if you are for the trail, please raise your hand.

570
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:18,000
Our community is very strong in our opinion on the trail.

571
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,700
Most people, I've talked to, do not want the trail.

572
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,300
There's one or two people that I know that want the trail.

573
00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:27,960
And we're just asking for your help because we really

574
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,760
just don't want people walking in our back here.

575
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:30,880
Thank you.

576
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:32,660
Thank you, ma'am, very much.

577
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,520
I, Mr. Yao, thank you.

578
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:34,960
Thank you, sir.

579
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:35,260
Welcome.

580
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:39,200
Nobody knows who you are, so you're going to have to make sure everybody is clarity.

581
00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:40,160
Who is coming?

582
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,280
And you are limited to five minutes, by the way.

583
00:47:42,340 --> 00:47:42,940
It's going to be clear.

584
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,760
I won't even get close to it.

585
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:47,800
But I'd like to ask, say it's the next your time for later.

586
00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:52,200
Jason, y'all, 50, 10, old oak trace.

587
00:47:53,820 --> 00:47:58,380
The issue that I have is clearly the people don't want it.

588
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,560
And I think that has to be respected.

589
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:10,200
The issue that I see is that the developer builder made representations in order to get the approvals,

590
00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:15,620
and then you made completely opposite representations to the homeowners.

591
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:22,160
And that kind of deceit should not be rewarded by them just walking away and going,

592
00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:23,680
we don't have to spend the money.

593
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,080
I don't think you should compel the walk to go in,

594
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:32,960
But I think you should compel the developer to give the money that they would have put towards

595
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,620
the walk, perhaps, to the parks fund.

596
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:42,860
Because he shouldn't get a material benefit from lying at both ends of the transaction.

597
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,060
And that's what would happen if the walk doesn't go in and he keeps the money.

598
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:52,280
But you don't want to force him to put the walk in because that's not what the people want

599
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,820
because they were told something else.

600
00:48:53,820 --> 00:49:00,920
So I just have a real problem with that deception that was played at the city and with the

601
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,560
people who bought the units, that's reprehensible and it can't be a walk for the developer.

602
00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:09,120
He benefits by putting money in his pocket.

603
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,720
That's all I have to say.

604
00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:11,540
Thanks Mr. Yell.

605
00:49:11,660 --> 00:49:12,420
Yes ma'am, redirect.

606
00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:14,800
I totally agree with that.

607
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,820
In our neighborhood has some problems that we are trying to fix with told brothers.

608
00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:20,680
We have landscaping problems.

609
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,340
we have units with no sprinkler systems, and we're trying to set up a meeting, we'll tell

610
00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:28,820
brothers, to fix all these things.

611
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:33,440
And so we can have that money that he was going to spend on the trail to take care of some

612
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,320
of these other things.

613
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,980
That would be amazing for our community.

614
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:37,360
Thank you.

615
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:38,620
Thank you.

616
00:49:38,620 --> 00:49:39,260
No, thank you.

617
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:47,700
I actually, when somebody on staff, please bring some historical information to this piece, thank

618
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:47,920
you, man.

619
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:49,060
Okay, thank you.

620
00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:54,290
Good evening, Lenovo Bromber, Deputy Director.

621
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:55,810
Welcome, Lenovo Bromber.

622
00:49:56,370 --> 00:49:58,750
And was city engineer at the time that most of this

623
00:49:58,750 --> 00:49:59,610
is going to the process.

624
00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:01,470
I'll be happy to answer any questions.

625
00:50:01,770 --> 00:50:02,910
What would you like for me to start with?

626
00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:07,030
No, I think when y'all brought this before us, potentially,

627
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:08,830
there was some historical context.

628
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:13,630
You had on why this was originally done, if I recall correctly.

629
00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:15,590
Can you put that in perspective?

630
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:16,170
Correct.

631
00:50:16,330 --> 00:50:18,850
So at the council meeting, then this item was being heard

632
00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:20,850
for the rezoning in 2016.

633
00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:26,390
team, I believe, is the date. There had been a number of presentations and maybe some

634
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:31,950
community meetings that the then developer Sharpe was having Sharpe was having with the

635
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:37,770
neighboring developments, Martin's Landing, for example. And so in February 2016 there was

636
00:50:37,770 --> 00:50:44,350
a presentation made by the developer to the Martin's Landing HOA, is my understanding. And at that

637
00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:49,510
meeting there was a graphic that was presented that showed this meandering walking path. And at

638
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:55,850
council meeting, it was presented and then added by council as a condition in the process of

639
00:50:55,850 --> 00:51:02,510
approving the rezoning to RTH. The trail has continued to be shown on all the plans since then.

640
00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:06,810
It was on the preliminary bot, designer D-board site plan, the land disturbance plan,

641
00:51:07,070 --> 00:51:08,170
and the preliminary bot.

642
00:51:11,070 --> 00:51:14,850
So, Lannor, just for clarity sake, who initially requested the trail?

643
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:22,410
It was a request by the Martin's Landing homeowner's association, I can't remember the exact name of the group.

644
00:51:23,170 --> 00:51:24,130
They have a very long title.

645
00:51:24,810 --> 00:51:31,790
At Mayor and Council, the presentation was made to the Board of Directors of the Martin's Landing homeowner's association in February of 16.

646
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:32,650
Thank you.

647
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:34,450
Thanks so much.

648
00:51:35,710 --> 00:51:36,370
Yes, thank you.

649
00:51:37,850 --> 00:51:43,830
Thank you, and this question, maybe you can answer Ms. Frumberg.

650
00:51:45,070 --> 00:51:55,010
So, this abuts the portion of Martin's landing. I don't have it up, but I don't believe

651
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:59,890
they have an active homeowner's association and have not for a number of years.

652
00:52:00,190 --> 00:52:05,550
I'm not sure about the hillside area. I know they have a number of sub-HUA's and underneath

653
00:52:05,550 --> 00:52:10,870
the master HOA. I'm not entirely familiar with that. So I don't know who was being represented

654
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:13,990
at that meeting if it was the entire HOA.

655
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:15,610
It was the entire HOA.

656
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:17,910
It was the big umbrella in the little ones underneath.

657
00:52:18,930 --> 00:52:23,350
And we're talking about 2016, Mike. You want any other edification to this process?

658
00:52:25,570 --> 00:52:32,050
So what came about was certainly the Martin's landing entire HOA, so for the entire

659
00:52:32,050 --> 00:52:36,990
neighborhood came out in support of this support of this project and in

660
00:52:36,990 --> 00:52:40,770
support with nature type features aspects for the for the future

661
00:52:40,770 --> 00:52:48,570
residents and and what I would say is just enough my my focus or or

662
00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:53,710
belief was wanting to create more green space opportunity for the for the

663
00:52:53,710 --> 00:52:58,290
current residents so I actually wanted it to be slightly fewer houses just to

664
00:52:58,290 --> 00:53:04,050
more more nature and more more green space. And since this was, of course, the number it was supported,

665
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:10,490
I actually ended up doing the motion that had the support but actually abstaining on the vote because I did see

666
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:17,850
the community support and also wanted more green space. So, I just want to say that for me, for me personally,

667
00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:24,410
I think it's clear at a bare minimum. I'll tell you, I absolutely do not support the walking path going

668
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:26,390
to Old Alabama for the reasons brought up.

669
00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:31,290
I really, at the same time, knowing that it was a developer

670
00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:34,930
that actually did show an image of the walking path

671
00:53:34,930 --> 00:53:36,810
and all that, so it wasn't just out of a blue

672
00:53:37,810 --> 00:53:41,030
for Martin's Landing, so it was something that was shown.

673
00:53:41,610 --> 00:53:45,530
And I really am big on wanting to absolutely be responsive

674
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:47,490
to the residents, the majority residents.

675
00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:51,010
And at the same time, make sure that a napbook

676
00:53:51,010 --> 00:53:52,950
and making a promise for a community benefit,

677
00:53:52,950 --> 00:54:00,950
There should be there should be a community benefit investment made in changing this so something just for thought that we'll certainly discuss

678
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:07,090
Michael this in action. I did you want to do you want to add anything to that?

679
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:13,730
What I say is so so as I mentioned I have stained in 2016. I don't plan on abstaining tonight

680
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:21,330
That that being said given that I think that it would take a little bit of input from the community

681
00:54:21,330 --> 00:54:32,130
My initial reaction is preferring to defer this to find a good win-win where obviously there's a there's a strong number of residents that don't want to see this path built

682
00:54:32,130 --> 00:54:38,820
And obviously the developer would prefer not to build the path and so I think there's really a win-win on

683
00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:40,350
On

684
00:54:40,350 --> 00:54:42,430
All right if there's not going to be a path

685
00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:49,950
What is something else that the developer would would rather build instead and so I'm seeing there there certainly be be discussion with that

686
00:54:49,950 --> 00:54:54,950
What I want to clarify though is for me, what I want to discuss is purely benefiting here,

687
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:57,610
which is what the condition included.

688
00:54:57,990 --> 00:55:03,190
I included that condition based on the community at the time.

689
00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:11,350
And so one for me, the discussion I want to have is if we were to remove this, what's the different

690
00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:18,410
future that would be added. And for me, it's not sprinklers, because it's my understanding.

691
00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:23,630
The law requires the sprinklers should be working. So, so this would not be saying that

692
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:27,090
that they required to build something that they are already required to build.

693
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:29,870
So, that's my initial perspective for discussion.

694
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:33,690
Thank you, Kelsma, we're polarimal. Kelsma, we're Christine Hall.

695
00:55:35,130 --> 00:55:38,050
Thank you, and thank you, Councilmember Palermo, on your perspective.

696
00:55:38,050 --> 00:55:53,250
And that's I was going to follow up on that that this is an amenity that was promised and if this amenity is not presented, I think it would be only fair than another amenity would be offered.

697
00:55:57,060 --> 00:56:03,400
So this is where I'd certainly like to hear from the applicants, but you know, even just

698
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:08,540
hypothetically heard about the dog park portion as other ways to enhance that or

699
00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:10,900
other things that would get community support.

700
00:56:11,860 --> 00:56:16,000
But what I'll tell you is I have concern with coming up with it tonight.

701
00:56:16,780 --> 00:56:21,220
So for that reason, I prefer to lean towards the deferral to just give the opportunity

702
00:56:21,220 --> 00:56:27,660
for the community. And again, although I've heard some great ideas from some that live outside

703
00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:33,320
of Iraq and I love hearing those ideas, certainly for what the solution is. I really

704
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:38,720
want to hear from the residents within Riverwalk in a time to really even gauge the interest

705
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:45,280
of others because I'll say I'm looking for a great win-win where those in opposition to the walking

706
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,280
path and those in support of the walking path all agree that there's actually perhaps a different

707
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:56,000
community that could be used to replace this, and obviously some that's a win-win for the applicant as well,

708
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,400
because, again, it gets them out of having to build a walking path.

709
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,680
Community development system development director, Lenore Bromberg.

710
00:57:05,060 --> 00:57:10,080
I just wanted to make a quick point of clarification that told brothers is not opposed to putting the walking trail in.

711
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:14,760
They made the application on behalf of the residents approached them and not building it.

712
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,480
So I just wanted to make that point of clarification.

713
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,860
And this was not a situation where they were not going to build it, but we went to do the

714
00:57:20,860 --> 00:57:24,120
close-out process for the land of Starbucks permit for the overall development and went

715
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,420
through the conditions and realized, oh, you haven't finished mulching this trail.

716
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:28,740
We need to complete it.

717
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:32,200
And that's when the rest of the summer that you've been provided tonight occurred.

718
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,620
So I just wanted to make that point of clarification and they are not opposed to installing

719
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:38,640
it unless that's what this council chooses to have.

720
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,640
But just for clarity's sake, staff recommendation on this matter is?

721
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,240
We recommend removing the condition.

722
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,360
Thank you. Thank you, Lino, or.

723
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,980
Did anybody also saw hand go up? Did you asserted, did you want to address something?

724
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:52,820
Yes sir.

725
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,380
Well, come on up to the, come on up. Please sir.

726
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,180
Please tell us who you are.

727
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,680
Sir person I live on that backside. I'm against the trail.

728
00:58:03,820 --> 00:58:12,760
Welcome, Sam, and I just wanted to ask could the community be compensated for the trail?

729
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,280
Well, for this matter at hand, that is not part of the consideration.

730
00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:22,460
So, and I heard Council Member Plairmo suggest that he is certainly in support, I think

731
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:23,300
there's some discussion.

732
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,720
I think he suggested he'd want to get into solution hearing this evening.

733
00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:27,260
Correct.

734
00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:27,760
Correct.

735
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,000
I do not want to get into the solution.

736
00:58:29,180 --> 00:58:32,560
Tonight, however, I guess just a quick question, Mr. Davidson.

737
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:40,520
I pathetically, if the developer were to just know they say, all right, it costs $1,000

738
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,500
to build the trail.

739
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:48,060
And to do a great improvement, hypothetically, to another amenity, it would cost, you know,

740
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,560
extolors, and let's say that's something that's amenable, would there be the opportunity

741
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:58,520
where the developer instead were to give money to the HOA to do the improvement for them?

742
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:04,140
Is that something that you see as feasible, or do you feel it's more feasible to stick it to?

743
00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:07,560
They were required to build amenity and need to build amenity?

744
00:59:11,530 --> 00:59:21,510
I think if the developer agrees and the HOA agrees, then the council can fashion a condition in either way.

745
00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:30,290
Okay, and that's where I don't want to come up with a solution tonight, because again, I want to do, I do want to make sure it's one that has a lot of input from all the residents.

746
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:37,750
But I would like to see a deferral that gives the opportunity for stakeholders to get at the table within your community and with the developer.

747
00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:40,990
Sam, did you have a follow-up question, sir?

748
00:59:42,670 --> 00:59:49,490
No, the only other comment I would back was there was a mention of how contentious this whole thing got.

749
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:56,310
You know, we had a board in place and we had a couple of members that were really interested in this trail.

750
00:59:56,810 --> 00:59:58,670
And it did, it got very contentious.

751
00:59:58,990 --> 00:59:59,970
And the homeowner said,

752
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:05,980
There were a lot of them, a majority of them, I feel like they said, we don't want this trail. And then at these

753
01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:12,220
meetings, I think the feeling was the reason it got so contentious is because we, the homeowners,

754
01:00:12,620 --> 01:00:19,040
that did not want to trail felt like we weren't being represented. This board kind of wanted to know what the desire was

755
01:00:19,540 --> 01:00:25,360
of the homeowners that did not want to trail. Now, you heard the statement, I think, that came from one of those

756
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:30,360
board members. And we were prepared to remove those board members at one of the meetings

757
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,200
because we said enough is enough. We're going to remove them. We've got a great board

758
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:39,880
of directors now at the HOA and we want to move forward to squash the strip. Because the

759
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:46,100
majority of people don't want it. Nobody was threatened. It wasn't any kind of coercion.

760
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:51,990
People don't want the train. You know, you could you could understand that. So that's

761
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:54,070
Thank you, Sam. Thank you. Yes, sir.

762
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:56,130
I've been patient back there with your hand.

763
01:00:56,190 --> 01:00:58,030
Come on up. See us.

764
01:00:58,350 --> 01:00:58,630
Welcome.

765
01:01:00,010 --> 01:01:02,170
Please share with us your name and where you live.

766
01:01:02,490 --> 01:01:04,250
I'm going to guess you're in the Riverside community.

767
01:01:07,590 --> 01:01:08,750
My name is Greg Lathum.

768
01:01:09,070 --> 01:01:12,290
I'm a resident of 40, 20 River Rapids Drive,

769
01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:15,270
which is back up to where this trail would be.

770
01:01:15,450 --> 01:01:16,790
I too am opposed to the trail,

771
01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:20,590
but the comment I really have tonight is

772
01:01:21,890 --> 01:01:22,830
what I've heard

773
01:01:22,830 --> 01:01:27,750
It sounds like we can really replace the trail with something the neighborhood wants.

774
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:35,710
Now, I've volunteered for the new board to be the head of the landscape committee, and we have a lot of issues.

775
01:01:36,210 --> 01:01:41,770
We have grass that's on rock, and we need new side.

776
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:44,770
We've got sprinklers, we know everything, dead plants.

777
01:01:45,790 --> 01:01:49,090
We have way more need than we have budgets just to do our landscaping.

778
01:01:49,090 --> 01:01:53,030
There are also many, many amenities that we talked about that would be nice to have.

779
01:01:53,510 --> 01:02:01,830
Not question for the Council would be, would it be possible to see if a resolution could be reached to night,

780
01:02:01,870 --> 01:02:08,570
so that this isn't deferred and dragged out, that the homeowners association perhaps could agree with,

781
01:02:10,310 --> 01:02:20,240
to just give us the cash, the same set to do, whatever the HOA chooses in the future to do with that cash.

782
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:29,080
So if we were to say, look, give us 75% of what you are going to spend on the trail and let us decide what amenities to do.

783
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,720
If we want to add a fire pit or we want to just improve the look of our landscape.

784
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:39,260
Whatever that may be, it seems to me that they can be resolved and not have to become

785
01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:40,080
bad before Council.

786
01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:42,900
So this is with all due respect.

787
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:48,140
This is where elected officials get in trouble, because the matter before the matter before

788
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:52,540
us is to remove his own condition at zero rapid rapid rapid rapid rapid rapid rapid.

789
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:59,500
It is not a matter for this Council to be solutionary, a negotiation between the developer

790
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:00,320
for compensation.

791
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,760
As good as that thought may or may not be, the matter with all due respect before the council

792
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:10,000
is to remove a zoning condition at 0 River Rapids Drive.

793
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,000
So with all due respect with all the difference, I would like to suggest to my brethren

794
01:03:16,060 --> 01:03:21,140
that you run away from that suggestion as quick as possible, yes, sir, Dr. Van Strue.

795
01:03:22,380 --> 01:03:28,120
Yeah, what I'd love to see is your great new board sit down with the landowner, and I mean

796
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:35,060
developer and try and hash this out. I'll bet you guys can take care of all this and put it all

797
01:03:35,060 --> 01:03:40,880
a bit and that's what the deferment all allow for. So I think that's a nice motion by Councilman

798
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:47,180
Palermo and I'm sure that we'll probably hear from you guys that it's all been resolved and taken care of

799
01:03:47,180 --> 01:03:53,780
and that'll be some good news. Thank you. Thank you, Greg. Yes, sir. Redirect. All right. You've always

800
01:03:53,780 --> 01:03:57,500
at three minutes and 47 seconds. You got a hustle. I'm joking. You're good.

801
01:03:58,540 --> 01:04:05,260
Don Goodman, Jen. What I would like to see it with due respect of the council would be to

802
01:04:05,260 --> 01:04:10,380
remove the zoning conditions tonight so that that's proved it's off. We don't have to go through

803
01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:16,760
this whole thing again and that the deferral would be for the community to sit back down with

804
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,980
whole brothers and determine what the costs of the trail, what that would be and that we work

805
01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:27,820
some type of solution that the cost of the child, whatever that might be or whatever they're going to do.

806
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,040
So, Mayor.

807
01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:32,180
Thank you.

808
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:33,000
Councillor Mayer-Polarmo.

809
01:04:33,260 --> 01:04:34,640
So, I appreciate the suggestion.

810
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,300
I definitely understand the thought process and efficiency.

811
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,240
I can't support that because there's toll brothers.

812
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,380
If we just go ahead and remove the condition.

813
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,780
There's no reason that toll brothers would fall through anything.

814
01:04:49,780 --> 01:04:51,620
And I'm sure there's great people there.

815
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:53,980
I'm sure they would for the out of the goodness out of their heart.

816
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:56,640
They do it, but it surely be the goodness of their heart.

817
01:04:57,140 --> 01:05:02,180
And so what I'm telling you right now, my position is I do not support removing a condition.

818
01:05:02,380 --> 01:05:07,280
I do support changing a condition and I support changing a condition,

819
01:05:07,980 --> 01:05:10,680
knowing that the communities work together for a compromise.

820
01:05:11,180 --> 01:05:12,700
And you have to remember, Palermo, excellent.

821
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:13,140
I do.

822
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:15,400
Would you like to elaborate just a little further on that?

823
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,620
Because I'm sure you don't want that to happen this evening, correct?

824
01:05:17,620 --> 01:05:24,220
So, basically, tonight, what I support is, is it a furl, because I want, I want to win

825
01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:24,980
when for the community.

826
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:32,900
I do feel, I do feel developers should have to follow the conditions that they accepted

827
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:34,280
in frankly even shown.

828
01:05:34,540 --> 01:05:40,240
And at the same time, I always accept and support when there's changes in variations that benefit

829
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:40,980
the neighborhood.

830
01:05:41,740 --> 01:05:47,600
And the last thing I would want to do tonight is vote for a new condition that is actually

831
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,220
not easily be easily enforceable or beneficial to the residents.

832
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,100
It sounds very confusing, doesn't it?

833
01:05:55,420 --> 01:05:55,980
Yes, sir?

834
01:05:55,980 --> 01:05:56,600
Yes, sir.

835
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:57,200
Yes, sir.

836
01:05:58,820 --> 01:05:59,440
So, Councillor Mayer.

837
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,480
I will be just to give everybody a heads-up in a sneak preview,

838
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,840
and I don't know if this Council will support it or not.

839
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,680
Tonight I will be motioning for a deferral to next month's

840
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,500
Com-Dev Council meeting.

841
01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:14,220
And it's something where although I love seeing so many people

842
01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:17,340
in the Council chambers and certainly hope that you'd want to come.

843
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:21,980
At the same time, I'm hoping there would be a good opportunity for compromise in which case perhaps

844
01:06:21,980 --> 01:06:27,840
a signed letter of petition, whatever it might be, which suffice for those that don't want

845
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:28,620
to join us on Monday.

846
01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:32,460
Well, in other words, we'll see at East Roswell Park on November the 14th.

847
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:33,880
Is that the, yeah?

848
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,740
Yeah, that's that'll be the appropriate date.

849
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:36,480
Yes, sir.

850
01:06:36,820 --> 01:06:37,200
Yes, sir.

851
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:42,580
Briefly, if it is, if we elect tonight to defer,

852
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,720
that they don't care one way or the other, but whether the trail goes in.

853
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:56,400
So if it's simply a deferral, what safety do we have as opposition to understand

854
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,920
that told brothers might just throw their hands up and say, okay, forget it.

855
01:06:59,980 --> 01:07:02,360
We'll just install the trail and move on.

856
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:08,220
Is that a possibility or does the deferral mandate that told brothers work with the community?

857
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:16,170
That's an excellent question that deserves a fair explanation you want to touch that little or that's a really good question

858
01:07:22,430 --> 01:07:23,950
It isn't my understanding

859
01:07:23,950 --> 01:07:27,530
Yeah, let me let me interrupt, sir. Just the practical matter

860
01:07:27,530 --> 01:07:32,410
The practical matter as they say money if they don't they don't did it's just from a practical perspective

861
01:07:34,830 --> 01:07:39,690
At this point there isn't anything that would stop them from installing the trail

862
01:07:39,690 --> 01:07:44,050
If there is a direction made as a part of the motion that they

863
01:07:44,050 --> 01:07:48,130
It was home doing it until a decision is made, then that might be a way to do that.

864
01:07:49,070 --> 01:07:49,330
Excellent.

865
01:07:49,590 --> 01:07:49,750
I did.

866
01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:51,030
Councillor Mortlin.

867
01:07:51,030 --> 01:07:52,510
I know you had a comment, sir.

868
01:07:55,250 --> 01:08:01,430
Just had a question for Councillor McLaren and his last statement he said, Com'dab, Council

869
01:08:01,430 --> 01:08:01,910
meeting.

870
01:08:02,690 --> 01:08:06,230
Was that Com'dab committee meeting or Council meeting?

871
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:07,290
Council meeting.

872
01:08:08,550 --> 01:08:09,910
Take a straight to Council meeting.

873
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:10,390
Oh, absolutely.

874
01:08:10,850 --> 01:08:11,770
I remember the 14th.

875
01:08:11,850 --> 01:08:13,330
I think it's the appropriate date.

876
01:08:13,710 --> 01:08:13,730
Yeah.

877
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:14,310
That sounds right.

878
01:08:14,310 --> 01:08:20,650
So, I think the answer to the question is, is there, would you like to make a motion and an amendment to the motion?

879
01:08:21,070 --> 01:08:22,890
Well, I haven't made a motion yet, so.

880
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:23,870
Would you like to make a motion?

881
01:08:23,870 --> 01:08:24,830
I would like to make a motion.

882
01:08:24,830 --> 01:08:28,830
Well, let me ask you, is there any other comments from Rosal residence?

883
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:31,700
Steve?

884
01:08:32,780 --> 01:08:37,300
And Mr. Henderson was here as a part of Martin's Landing in March 2016?

885
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:40,180
Well, I was doing the math.

886
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:43,240
Polarbo is the only one that was here that on that meeting.

887
01:08:43,460 --> 01:08:44,920
I was seeing right here.

888
01:08:48,940 --> 01:08:49,700
So Steve's a slide.

889
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:51,860
Did everybody know who you are and where you live?

890
01:08:52,060 --> 01:08:52,840
I'm Steve Henderson.

891
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,260
I'm from Martin's Landing.

892
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:56,940
At that point in time, and this was approved that night,

893
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,240
I actually was one of the official representatives from Martin's Landing

894
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,140
to put the position of Martin's Landing regarding this.

895
01:09:04,820 --> 01:09:08,800
And as I was talking to Lord Noah, it just just met or so ago.

896
01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:12,740
I'm trying to go through my memory what our thinking was back then.

897
01:09:12,740 --> 01:09:17,180
But I know one thing, Martin's landing put all that thinking in deriving, and I haven't seen

898
01:09:17,180 --> 01:09:20,760
that present in the night when Laura said she couldn't find it, but I know it exists.

899
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,880
If she can't find it, I can probably find what was signed by Martin's landing.

900
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:32,600
And most of the issue regarding the walking path is I remember from memory by what quick

901
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:32,880
disclaimer.

902
01:09:33,060 --> 01:09:34,720
I'm not representing Martin's landing night.

903
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,740
I'm just representing my memories from when I was here that night.

904
01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:43,660
And because Martin's Lane doesn't even know this is going on right now.

905
01:09:44,860 --> 01:09:51,800
We had a lot of extensive discussions with the developer at that point in time about the density and how many units

906
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,500
are going to be in the different amenities and all that.

907
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:01,620
And I don't want to be held to this, but I believe the walking path, I'm not sure, but I think what's in writing

908
01:10:01,620 --> 01:10:06,940
will show that Martin's Lane may not have had that much of an opinion on whether it exist or not,

909
01:10:06,940 --> 01:10:12,320
that there wasn't issue over what the developer, the way he was tithaling it, and the way he was

910
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,840
labeling it, and the way he was representing it, it needed to be changed. But as far as

911
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,600
the existence, I don't even believe this thing connects to Martin's standing, if I remember correctly.

912
01:10:22,380 --> 01:10:28,320
So anyway, what I'm saying may actually be supporting with the people in this community want to

913
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:34,040
do, but if you do your deferral, I know we can get all that information back out on the front,

914
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:39,160
So nobody's wondering what the heck happened back then with very extensive discussions and agreements

915
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,480
that were done back then.

916
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,540
So if you had a question for me, I'd be glad to answer it if I can.

917
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,440
Otherwise I just wanted to provide that might provide a little clarity towards moving this forward

918
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:50,860
after you're deferring.

919
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:51,720
Thank you, Steve.

920
01:10:52,020 --> 01:10:52,740
Thank you, Steve.

921
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:54,020
Yes, ma'am.

922
01:10:59,270 --> 01:11:01,710
Welcome, please share with us who you are.

923
01:11:01,710 --> 01:11:02,270
I'm sorry.

924
01:11:02,270 --> 01:11:04,730
A realist of River Walk also.

925
01:11:05,170 --> 01:11:06,630
My name is Shari Taylor.

926
01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:07,290
Shari?

927
01:11:08,350 --> 01:11:14,810
I don't know if it's possible, but it would be really nice if we could have an extension

928
01:11:14,810 --> 01:11:18,810
on the date that you've mentioned, because we do have a new board.

929
01:11:18,990 --> 01:11:24,430
It's going to take some organizational, you know, a lot of meeting and putting our heads

930
01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:30,490
together, because just getting to this point took more than three weeks, which is what I think

931
01:11:30,490 --> 01:11:33,390
It would be from now until November the 14th.

932
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:35,530
And so I don't know if it's possible for us

933
01:11:35,530 --> 01:11:39,630
to request that that maybe we not be calendared for November

934
01:11:39,630 --> 01:11:42,850
the 14th, but the following meeting to give us time

935
01:11:43,490 --> 01:11:44,450
to capitulate.

936
01:11:45,530 --> 01:11:48,490
I don't think Council will have any great heartburn on that.

937
01:11:48,710 --> 01:11:50,750
No, ma'am, yes ma'am, I'm sure we can find a date

938
01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:53,190
that will be amenable for the board to get together

939
01:11:53,190 --> 01:11:56,410
and spend time thinking about that, yes ma'am.

940
01:12:03,010 --> 01:12:04,870
Any other thoughts, questions or comments?

941
01:12:05,870 --> 01:12:11,470
Thank you so much for your passion and for your concern for all of you.

942
01:12:11,850 --> 01:12:13,150
Thank you.

943
01:12:13,390 --> 01:12:14,830
Council member Hills.

944
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:17,450
Thank you, Mayor.

945
01:12:18,490 --> 01:12:23,270
I think we're at a good place, but I do want to just weigh in as one of your council members.

946
01:12:23,610 --> 01:12:28,530
I was prepared very easily this evening to vote to remove this

947
01:12:28,530 --> 01:12:33,050
quick and disowning condition, strictly for privacy, just so you know where I'm coming from.

948
01:12:33,190 --> 01:12:37,390
I will always air to that, and I think that's an important piece to where we live in

949
01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:40,250
Roswell that we feel like we have a safe place and a private place.

950
01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:45,550
I know you all are probably closer together than some residents geographically, but you

951
01:12:45,550 --> 01:12:50,690
have a lovely community, and Ms. Catherine, forgive me, I didn't get your last name, but I

952
01:12:50,690 --> 01:12:53,750
want you to know that I understand where you're coming from as well, I'm being outside

953
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:57,850
and in nature is certainly important to our health and well-being, so it looks like you

954
01:12:57,850 --> 01:13:02,710
have a lot of green and right now maybe brown space with pine needles falling.

955
01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:07,950
But I do think that with the creative thinking of Mr. Yowl and the support of Council Member

956
01:13:07,950 --> 01:13:12,130
Palermo, there could be maybe a solution that can work to the benefit of all of you.

957
01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:16,610
And maybe with the changing of your board, which isn't the business of this council and

958
01:13:16,610 --> 01:13:20,350
mayor that you can mend some of those fences and work together.

959
01:13:20,670 --> 01:13:24,990
I drive by there a lot and I think it's a really lovely place and you all seem great.

960
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:27,070
So I really want the best for all of you.

961
01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:34,550
But I just want to need to know where I'm coming from and I will defer back to this council to see if you all can come to a good solution.

962
01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:38,490
Thank you, Councilmember Hills, Councilmember Pillar, do you have a motion?

963
01:13:38,830 --> 01:13:42,490
I do, first have a comment and a question and a motion.

964
01:13:42,710 --> 01:13:44,210
No comments, I'm looking forward to that, sir.

965
01:13:45,670 --> 01:13:47,970
So I definitely appreciate the discussion tonight.

966
01:13:48,270 --> 01:13:51,290
I hope you all see as productive in the opportunity for a win-win.

967
01:13:51,290 --> 01:13:58,630
And I'm very sorry to hear that there has been a divisive topic and just really that feeling

968
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:59,110
a division.

969
01:13:59,450 --> 01:14:05,530
And I am hoping this can be seen as something that will unite your community because I'm

970
01:14:05,530 --> 01:14:09,330
hoping it's something that will be great for everybody and something that everybody can agree

971
01:14:09,330 --> 01:14:11,790
certainly much better than nothing.

972
01:14:12,690 --> 01:14:16,830
Because I think it is important that developers are making amenities and obviously amenities

973
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:19,890
that the residents will support and enjoy.

974
01:14:19,890 --> 01:14:32,670
And so with that, I'm going to have a question for the North, Jason David, which will be relevant for my motion because I think getting back in a completely agreed with the mayor from a practical standpoint.

975
01:14:33,370 --> 01:14:34,670
What was already brought up for the developer?

976
01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:40,970
One resident brought up, they'd support something that costs 75% of what they'd spend on the trail.

977
01:14:41,370 --> 01:14:48,770
So obviously, it'd be in the developers interest to try to see if the majority of you would support something that was,

978
01:14:48,770 --> 01:14:50,890
was a little less than the trail.

979
01:14:51,390 --> 01:14:57,970
That being said, for making sure that we're doing our due diligence, the suggestion on what

980
01:14:57,970 --> 01:14:59,970
would be a way to...

981
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:14,480
To make it that until the November 28 meeting, which is next month, what would be a way to just make it so that there is not going to be the closing out of the LDP or whatever the wording is.

982
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:22,040
How would you word that motion and do it in a way that the combat is comfortable with it as well as legal is comfortable with it?

983
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:28,760
Are you specifically wanting to make sure that the trail is in built? Is that what your end goal would be or is it?

984
01:15:28,780 --> 01:15:35,840
Beyond that bigger than that so it's it's the not being closed that because I would think if they can't the only reason

985
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:43,900
They'd want to build the trail is to close out the LDP in which case. I'm thinking as long as we're saying they can't close out the LDP until after that meeting

986
01:15:43,900 --> 01:15:49,880
Just because that you say not close out the other peak is not prevent them from installing that trail. They choose to do so

987
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:53,980
We still have a couple other minor things that they have to do for us that we were holding

988
01:15:53,980 --> 01:15:56,740
off to this tournament where they're going to build the trail and not because it's associated

989
01:15:56,740 --> 01:15:57,700
with that.

990
01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:02,760
And so at this point, my recommendation would be that as a part of the deferral that Trollbrothers

991
01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:08,600
postpone the installation of the trail until this council takes an action.

992
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,220
David, that works for legal standpoint.

993
01:16:12,220 --> 01:16:20,140
as excellent as he Jason likes, that is well, and so therefore I have a motion to defer

994
01:16:20,140 --> 01:16:30,020
this item to the November 28th Mayor and Council meeting, and that the applicant will

995
01:16:30,020 --> 01:16:35,280
delay any push it back, push it back to December, because November is Thanksgiving.

996
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:41,000
Oh yeah, that's true, that is during Thanksgiving week, so the first regularly scheduled

997
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,920
of mayor and council meeting in the month of December.

998
01:16:44,380 --> 01:16:51,040
And that the applicant will not install the trail

999
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,600
until after that date, in which case, of course,

1000
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,960
if in that meeting, it's determined that's no longer

1001
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:02,000
a condition that, of course, they would not need to do that.

1002
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,640
Is that completely clear for staff

1003
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,720
is there anything that I should be clarifying

1004
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:07,440
with that motion?

1005
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,680
Would you like to restate that Julie with?

1006
01:17:17,860 --> 01:17:23,560
So the only thing I would maybe suggest is the modification is until Mayor and Council

1007
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:31,680
take action on that condition, because if I think that would be more clear until you

1008
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,300
take action on that date and then be on that would be when they would do whatever that next

1009
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:35,980
step is going to be.

1010
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:41,640
But doing it the date you've recommended, which I believe is December 12th, is fine as well.

1011
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,060
Okay, that was the, the motion is to defer, right,

1012
01:17:46,260 --> 01:17:49,640
with the zoning condition at zero river rapid strife.

1013
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:52,000
And,

1014
01:17:54,080 --> 01:18:00,340
and, and not taking action on the zoning condition

1015
01:18:00,340 --> 01:18:05,800
until after mayor and council holds that, holds that hearing.

1016
01:18:06,500 --> 01:18:08,120
And this makes it a decision.

1017
01:18:08,140 --> 01:18:09,620
Makes it a decision on this item.

1018
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:10,040
Thank you.

1019
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:18,330
on that motion. Do I have a second? It is seconded by Councilman Wilmoreklin. Would you like to

1020
01:18:18,330 --> 01:18:24,350
state that in totality? Councilman Wilmoreklin, you don't have to. All those in favor, please raise

1021
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:30,930
your hands. Thank you very much. The firm it is passed and would make conditions. And what is just for

1022
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:37,630
the record? What is the regularly scheduled meeting in December that first one? December 12th?

1023
01:18:37,630 --> 01:18:46,270
Well, so Monday, December 12th, so the hope is that there's some working together and

1024
01:18:46,270 --> 01:18:52,350
some compromise prior to that, and hopefully a win-win for the developer as well as for

1025
01:18:52,350 --> 01:18:52,850
the residents.

1026
01:18:53,710 --> 01:18:58,450
And it was Jason Niel, not a member of the community who came in with the ideal, so Jason,

1027
01:18:59,430 --> 01:19:02,650
I'm sure the community appreciates you doing that.

1028
01:19:03,670 --> 01:19:07,450
Next is a transportation department, Council Member Pilarmal, would you read the transportation

1029
01:19:07,450 --> 01:19:08,290
I don't believe sir.

1030
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:08,690
Excellent.

1031
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:13,250
Item number two, approval of the Riverside Road Concept, Mr. Cox.

1032
01:19:34,430 --> 01:19:34,890
We're good evening.

1033
01:19:35,390 --> 01:19:39,810
We're here to talk about the Riverside Road Concept proposal that was presented at the

1034
01:19:39,810 --> 01:19:46,070
Admin Committee earlier this month, just for the benefit of the audience and the

1035
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:48,090
Americans, I'll give a brief recap on the project.

1036
01:19:48,850 --> 01:19:52,450
The project was originally identified in the bicycle pedestrian master plan approximately

1037
01:19:52,450 --> 01:19:57,050
three years ago, and it was then recommended to be put on our T-Splash for our friend

1038
01:19:57,050 --> 01:19:59,550
from last November for the voters to approve.

1039
01:19:59,990 --> 01:20:01,390
The scope was actually the same.

1040
01:20:01,490 --> 01:20:04,910
The only modification to the scope for the T-spospo last year

1041
01:20:04,910 --> 01:20:06,390
was intersection improvements.

1042
01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:09,270
We added that onto the multi-trailed sidewalks

1043
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:13,010
and the bike lanes for an estimated amount of about $8.7 million.

1044
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:17,330
Earlier the spring, we had a very large public outreach campaign.

1045
01:20:17,890 --> 01:20:20,750
We had an open house at the Catholic Church down on the corridor.

1046
01:20:20,890 --> 01:20:23,270
We had a virtual public meeting as COVID was still

1047
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:24,330
kind of on the tail end.

1048
01:20:24,730 --> 01:20:26,330
And we also had an online survey,

1049
01:20:26,330 --> 01:20:31,370
which I believe had over 170 responses back earlier in the spring.

1050
01:20:32,110 --> 01:20:35,190
We originally brought this to the committee at the end of June, and it was originally

1051
01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:37,850
deferred then, and with a lot of discussion with our stakeholders.

1052
01:20:38,650 --> 01:20:43,470
And as I mentioned a moment ago, it was recommended the admin committee on October 11th,

1053
01:20:43,490 --> 01:20:44,690
and that's why we're here tonight.

1054
01:20:45,570 --> 01:20:49,950
Here is a graphic of the current concept that was approved at committee.

1055
01:20:50,350 --> 01:20:53,890
I just want to note this is slightly different than the slides that you're in your packet.

1056
01:20:53,890 --> 01:20:58,410
They were from the admin committee two weeks ago. I went ahead and modified this into one slide

1057
01:20:58,950 --> 01:21:00,750
Just to show you where we stand

1058
01:21:00,750 --> 01:21:08,590
So I'll go through this from West to East, and I'm Greg I don't know if you have a mouse. You can highlight the different spots because they can't see the laser point

1059
01:21:10,510 --> 01:21:15,330
But basically starting over near Riverside Park the existing traffic signal will remain

1060
01:21:15,330 --> 01:21:19,630
We would be adding to new roundabout at the entrance to the Catholic Church

1061
01:21:19,630 --> 01:21:23,530
And then you'd be adding a new traffic signal in front of the A-San company

1062
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:30,270
That's where the new park and rex project that we'll be commencing in the years ahead that we're really excited about

1063
01:21:30,850 --> 01:21:36,970
Further east. We'll have a new phb that is a pedestrian hybrid beacon. That's also called a hawk signal

1064
01:21:36,970 --> 01:21:40,790
That's the same kind of traffic signal. We have right outside a city hall here

1065
01:21:41,550 --> 01:21:45,170
across highway nine linking the city hall grounds to Can't and Street

1066
01:21:45,170 --> 01:21:53,110
We also have a couple landscape median islands in there for traffic calming purposes near the entrance to a Don White Park

1067
01:21:53,710 --> 01:22:00,470
And then the existing signal down at Dogwood will remain, and so will the signal over old Alabama work.

1068
01:22:02,290 --> 01:22:07,630
Now I'm going to talk about the pedestrian facilities going back to the West, sorry Greg, we're going to go back over to the West and the project.

1069
01:22:08,430 --> 01:22:16,910
We would have a new multis trail constructed, basically from the trails of Riverside Park, in front of the Catholic Church, and linking up to the sand area.

1070
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:24,270
That's where the existing multis trail is currently, so it would be connecting to into that, and that's what you kind of see there in that faded orange color

1071
01:22:24,270 --> 01:22:31,710
We tie into the existing multis trail, which will take you all the way over their Don White Park and link you over to

1072
01:22:31,710 --> 01:22:40,490
Part of Don White underneath the 400 overpass. We would be constructing a new piece of multis trail from 400 over to the intersection of Old Alabama

1073
01:22:40,490 --> 01:22:46,350
That's very important because that provides a valuable link to the existing multis trail going up the hill

1074
01:22:46,350 --> 01:22:50,370
going to old Alabama road towards the subdivision we just spoke about.

1075
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:53,390
The more employee that links us up to the fire station,

1076
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:56,870
Holcomb Road Road, and ultimately to the big creek park and the greenway,

1077
01:22:57,150 --> 01:22:59,930
so that this is a very valuable kind of city-wide connection

1078
01:22:59,930 --> 01:23:01,230
in our multi-stral system.

1079
01:23:02,130 --> 01:23:05,890
The other component we mentioned two weeks ago is the area right there at Dogwood

1080
01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:06,910
and Riverside Road.

1081
01:23:07,490 --> 01:23:10,650
There would be a new piece of multi-stral we tie in there.

1082
01:23:10,850 --> 01:23:14,510
There are a few ADA concerns we want to be mindful of,

1083
01:23:14,510 --> 01:23:18,470
to make sure the grades and slopes don't violate ADA standards, but we're fairly confident

1084
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:24,070
we can accommodate a new multi-says trail connection into the intersection. That is important

1085
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:28,550
because we have another multi-says trail as part of another project that's going to go up dogwood

1086
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:32,810
road and link up to Grimes Bridge. So we're trying to connect the neighborhoods on top of the hill

1087
01:23:32,810 --> 01:23:38,210
on the bluff on Grimes Bridge road and dogwood so they can come down and enjoy the river

1088
01:23:38,210 --> 01:23:44,410
front amenities. And then lastly there would be a five-foot wide sidewalk basically from that same

1089
01:23:44,410 --> 01:23:51,950
intersection at Dogwood and Riverside coming back to the west all the way down towards Riverside Park, forming a complete street.

1090
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:57,850
The last part of the concept I want to share is the typical section.

1091
01:23:58,030 --> 01:24:02,570
And I have a slide showing a bigger version of this, but this is basically what the road would look like.

1092
01:24:02,590 --> 01:24:08,930
It includes ten foot travel lanes, a buffered bike lane, and then the sidewalk which I already mentioned.

1093
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:12,810
Here's kind of what the typical section looks like from the top down.

1094
01:24:12,810 --> 01:24:20,150
It's approximately 44 feet across, as I mentioned, the multis trail in some areas on the project is further away from the road.

1095
01:24:20,230 --> 01:24:24,970
It's only along the road in some areas near the church, so it's not pictured here, but it is included.

1096
01:24:26,170 --> 01:24:31,610
So again, the 10-foot bike lanes were very popular that is something we had a lot of consensus on from all of our stakeholders.

1097
01:24:32,410 --> 01:24:36,470
The bike lane with has been a matter of debate over the past couple months.

1098
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:41,390
That is kind of one of the things we've been discussing is how we can do traffic calming with that,

1099
01:24:41,390 --> 01:24:43,270
and how the bike lanes will play in.

1100
01:24:43,470 --> 01:24:46,310
One of the solutions our stakeholders had was to add rumbel strips

1101
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:47,630
along the edge of the pavement.

1102
01:24:48,590 --> 01:24:49,570
I can show that Greg.

1103
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:51,790
It's the edge line closest to the road.

1104
01:24:52,250 --> 01:24:54,110
So if you're in a vehicle and you wander out of the lane,

1105
01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:56,950
you would hit these very small, very narrow rumbel strips.

1106
01:24:57,550 --> 01:25:00,210
And then we try to add some of those things like raised pavement markers.

1107
01:25:00,310 --> 01:25:02,990
Those are the reflectors you see on the side of the road.

1108
01:25:03,230 --> 01:25:03,750
It's some areas.

1109
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:06,470
Here's basically the same thing.

1110
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:08,210
You're just looking at a cross section of it.

1111
01:25:08,210 --> 01:25:12,730
You can see the travel lanes are 10 feet along with the four foot bike lanes and two foot buffer.

1112
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:18,510
And we also included it's hard to see here the fence, if you can highlight that Greg, thank you.

1113
01:25:19,070 --> 01:25:22,970
There's a small wooden fence that was a recommendation from our citizens advisory committee.

1114
01:25:23,470 --> 01:25:27,890
That is kind of more of an aesthetic feature, which is basically mere what you see over on a zillion drive.

1115
01:25:28,030 --> 01:25:35,830
If you've driven the riverfront over west of Highway 9, there's that nice wooden fence that separates the roadway from the multi-strail.

1116
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:38,150
so we try to incorporate that as well.

1117
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:41,250
So as we discussed at the admin committee,

1118
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:43,350
a few weeks ago staff are recommending the approval

1119
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:45,410
of this concept of the 10-foot travel lanes

1120
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:49,410
and the barrier or the buffer bike lanes,

1121
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:52,250
the bumble strips and other things that were approved.

1122
01:25:53,530 --> 01:25:55,950
If we receive approval tonight from the Mayor Council,

1123
01:25:56,110 --> 01:25:57,850
we could generate a task order

1124
01:25:57,850 --> 01:26:00,310
and get it under design at the committee meeting

1125
01:26:00,310 --> 01:26:03,890
after Thanksgiving and could start design work this winter.

1126
01:26:03,890 --> 01:26:05,750
So without our yield for questions.

1127
01:26:06,450 --> 01:26:07,370
Thank you, Mr. Cox.

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Palman's question from Council.

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Council member Christine Hall.

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01:26:13,330 --> 01:26:13,650
Thank you.

1131
01:26:13,690 --> 01:26:14,950
Thank you for this presentation.

1132
01:26:15,490 --> 01:26:17,390
I'm very excited that this is here tonight.

1133
01:26:17,970 --> 01:26:19,690
Long time coming, six months delayed.

1134
01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:23,910
Could you just go over the time frame for us

1135
01:26:24,970 --> 01:26:28,270
from concept design to when we're going to break ground

1136
01:26:28,270 --> 01:26:29,530
and complete the project?

1137
01:26:30,130 --> 01:26:31,110
I will try to answer that.

1138
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:35,810
asked by steam colleague Greg Nicholas to help me with this, but it's my understanding that

1139
01:26:35,810 --> 01:26:39,670
if this were approved tonight we could start the design this winter that would take

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01:26:39,670 --> 01:26:44,590
approximately six to nine months so that by taking into late summer then we look at any

1141
01:26:44,590 --> 01:26:48,750
right away acquisitions. We don't think that'd be significant but any right away would likely

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01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:55,190
take six possibly another nine months so that would get you into early maybe winter's early spring

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01:26:55,190 --> 01:27:01,090
of 2024. I don't think there'll be a lot of utility relocations but there could be some those

1144
01:27:01,090 --> 01:27:03,810
can be problematic and can take three to six months.

1145
01:27:04,510 --> 01:27:09,670
But likely, we're targeting construction in the second half, 20, 24 is a safe estimate.

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01:27:10,490 --> 01:27:13,310
So completion would be towards the end of 25?

1147
01:27:13,810 --> 01:27:15,790
Probably summer of 20, 25.

1148
01:27:16,010 --> 01:27:18,770
I think we're anticipating approximately one year for construction,

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01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:22,480
summer of 20, 25 for

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01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:23,140
the completion.

1151
01:27:24,460 --> 01:27:24,660
OK.

1152
01:27:24,820 --> 01:27:25,240
Thank you.

1153
01:27:25,340 --> 01:27:26,580
I can't come soon enough.

1154
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:29,220
Thank you, Kristi.

1155
01:27:30,380 --> 01:27:31,680
Anybody else from Council?

1156
01:27:34,830 --> 01:27:37,850
Being that there are no further comments or questions from Council.

1157
01:27:38,670 --> 01:27:42,110
Is anyone from any Roswell residents who'd like to speak on the matter?

1158
01:27:42,710 --> 01:27:42,910
Yes, sir.

1159
01:27:43,070 --> 01:27:43,430
Mr. Michelle.

1160
01:27:51,650 --> 01:27:52,690
Just for the record, Jason.

1161
01:27:52,690 --> 01:27:54,810
Tell everybody who you are and where you live, please, sir.

1162
01:27:55,210 --> 01:27:56,290
I'm Jason Yao.

1163
01:28:00,850 --> 01:28:04,890
Let's start the clock until I get that five out.

1164
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:07,510
Looks like two minutes is already gone by, Jason.

1165
01:28:07,730 --> 01:28:07,990
I'm sorry.

1166
01:28:08,630 --> 01:28:08,950
Okay.

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01:28:09,050 --> 01:28:09,590
There we go.

1168
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:14,130
Okay. This is an alternative concept plan.

1169
01:28:16,330 --> 01:28:30,270
There's a lot of, I don't know if it's a misunderstanding or misrepresentation on the part of staff about the required width of pavement in Roswell.

1170
01:28:31,470 --> 01:28:39,130
They refer to the International Fire Code being 26 feet, and that's not true.

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01:28:39,290 --> 01:28:40,910
The minimum is 20 feet.

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01:28:41,330 --> 01:28:45,910
It's 26 feet within 20 feet of a fire hydrant.

1173
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:51,470
The entire width of the corridor is not half to half that 26 feet of a pavement.

1174
01:28:54,070 --> 01:29:04,490
I'm not a fan of the proposed plan for the cross-section, we have an 80-foot right-of-way.

1175
01:29:05,310 --> 01:29:07,570
It's a larger than usual right away.

1176
01:29:07,670 --> 01:29:10,350
We have a lot of room to work with.

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01:29:10,770 --> 01:29:20,470
And to have the kind of expansive, long-broken pavement that our dot has proposed is just going

1178
01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:25,210
It's going to make it look like a landing strip.

1179
01:29:26,130 --> 01:29:28,310
It's also going to induce truck traffic.

1180
01:29:30,350 --> 01:29:35,070
You can't prohibit truck traffic from the scored or because the traffic count has exceeded

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01:29:35,070 --> 01:29:38,170
the threshold that you would have that ability.

1182
01:29:40,510 --> 01:29:50,670
It will look like hell and you're asking the people of Roswell to approve $100 million dollars

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01:29:51,870 --> 01:29:58,990
for the parks, and you're going to lay an air, a landing strip next to the crown jewel of the parks.

1184
01:29:59,490 --> 01:29:59,970
It's a huge...

1185
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,980
A huge mistake. Opposing losing the curb and gutter and the sidewalks altogether, you don't need the sidewalk on that side of the street. Opposing wider bike lanes and instead of curb and gutter and additional reinforced concrete pipe to channel the water on conditioned into the river, I'm advocating for bioswales that would be the same.

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01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:38,320
landscape that would look better, that would show that Roswell is committed to environmental

1187
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:46,680
sensitivity. There's no environmental sensitivity to the plane we just saw up there. It looks

1188
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:57,740
ugly, it will be ugly for the environment and it will induce truck traffic. One of the things

1189
01:30:57,740 --> 01:31:00,980
in the gateway, I got my water.

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01:31:04,660 --> 01:31:15,930
G-DOT has required for the great separation at Highway 9, the 14 feet, which is minimum.

1191
01:31:16,630 --> 01:31:17,650
That's not adequate.

1192
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:21,050
They want 16 feet of clearance on that.

1193
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:27,350
Why would they want that if it was not their intention to create a de facto truck route from

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01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:35,770
Welcome Bridge Road down Old Alabama and across Riverside Drive and as Alia.

1195
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:41,350
This is, this will, our dots proposal will cost more money.

1196
01:31:42,350 --> 01:31:47,510
It will look worse and it will induce higher speeds of traffic.

1197
01:31:47,870 --> 01:31:50,770
It will induce higher volumes of truck traffic.

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01:31:50,770 --> 01:32:00,210
It is not, it does not in any way shape or form or reflect your commitment to make Roswell the most

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friendly, friendly city in America.

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01:32:05,470 --> 01:32:11,950
It's a mistake and I just hope you won't go with that plan that you'll give this more

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01:32:11,950 --> 01:32:12,830
consideration.

1202
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:19,750
This is a better plan, this is a less costly plan to execute, and it's a plan that people

1203
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:22,130
We'll go, wow, Roswell finally gets it.

1204
01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:23,610
You do their plan.

1205
01:32:24,670 --> 01:32:26,610
It's going to be ruck a road all over again.

1206
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:29,330
And people are going to look at it and go, wow, Roswell,

1207
01:32:29,410 --> 01:32:31,390
just can't get transportation right.

1208
01:32:31,930 --> 01:32:34,890
Everything they do looks horrible.

1209
01:32:36,610 --> 01:32:37,590
And that's an embarrassment.

1210
01:32:38,250 --> 01:32:40,350
And I don't think that's the image we want to project

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01:32:41,410 --> 01:32:42,550
to the region.

1212
01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:48,590
That plan will be a disaster when it's done.

1213
01:32:48,590 --> 01:32:51,250
and it will be a source of mockery for us.

1214
01:32:51,630 --> 01:32:52,270
Thank you.

1215
01:32:54,930 --> 01:32:56,350
Any other, sir?

1216
01:32:56,970 --> 01:33:00,670
Please, please come join us and share with us your name

1217
01:33:00,670 --> 01:33:01,250
and where you live.

1218
01:33:01,550 --> 01:33:03,370
Thank you for joining us again, as always.

1219
01:33:04,190 --> 01:33:04,570
Good evening.

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01:33:04,750 --> 01:33:05,830
My name is Frederick Ween.

1221
01:33:05,870 --> 01:33:09,050
I live in Longwater, COVID, and rather.

1222
01:33:09,570 --> 01:33:11,370
So I have a question really for staff

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01:33:11,370 --> 01:33:14,250
that you indicated that the portion of the plan

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01:33:14,250 --> 01:33:18,950
calls for a very critical voltage is

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01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:23,730
in the curve under 4,400, so again connected, the multi-us trail on the old Alabama.

1226
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:28,430
Where is the multi-us trail on the old Alabama? If I may ask,

1227
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,720
the multi-us trail is on the old Alabama road,

1228
01:33:36,020 --> 01:33:38,040
thank you Greg, people that have it.

1229
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:39,980
It's on the west side of old Alabama road,

1230
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:43,120
and it runs from the traffic signal there at Riverside Road,

1231
01:33:43,220 --> 01:33:46,220
and it goes up the west side, headed north kind of northeast

1232
01:33:46,220 --> 01:33:47,760
up to Market Boulevard,

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01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,640
and I believe it stops near the fire station.

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01:33:50,640 --> 01:34:03,660
We also have a T-Splash project that's part of our new T-Splash 2 program that will be adding two new multi-strails from the fire station, traveling north of Odao, Alabama Road, Doke Bridge, and then linking it.

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01:34:04,340 --> 01:34:05,220
There's a separate project.

1236
01:34:06,460 --> 01:34:10,640
Okay, so on that portion that you're referring to on the west side, we have two things.

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01:34:10,820 --> 01:34:15,640
We have the sidewalk, and we have the alleged bike lane.

1238
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:23,020
And if that's what you're referring to be as the multi-use trail, then I think that I

1239
01:34:23,020 --> 01:34:27,360
better get educated on the definition of a multi-use trail because you have two separate

1240
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:27,940
things.

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01:34:29,140 --> 01:34:31,260
Now, let's be clear.

1242
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:36,840
On that portion of all the album, and the reason I bring this up is because I used to use

1243
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:42,440
it to go from my house to a big, quick park, while bicycling, I don't do that anymore.

1244
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:44,540
I don't do that anymore for two reasons.

1245
01:34:45,540 --> 01:34:47,400
One, the sidewalk is not maintained.

1246
01:34:47,980 --> 01:34:52,840
It's bumpy and it has also sort of debris on it.

1247
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,540
And second, the lane, the bicycle lane,

1248
01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:59,860
is not even established as such with markings for bicycles.

1249
01:35:00,460 --> 01:35:01,700
It's extremely narrow.

1250
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:07,580
The portion from the dip to market street is 11% grade,

1251
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,400
which makes it extremely, well, at least for a note,

1252
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,520
He's like, he makes it difficult to climb.

1253
01:35:14,540 --> 01:35:17,100
And therefore, you go about 7K per hour.

1254
01:35:18,340 --> 01:35:23,220
Well, most vehicles are going at a higher rate of speed,

1255
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:27,380
even going up, and going in a curve where it's blind.

1256
01:35:27,740 --> 01:35:31,640
And so I have stopped using this multi-use trail,

1257
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:33,780
because it's frankly, it's frightening.

1258
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:38,860
So maybe I'm a little bit out of scope here.

1259
01:35:38,860 --> 01:35:45,740
But I want to clarify for this counsel and mayor that this is not a multi-use trail in my

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01:35:45,740 --> 01:35:46,280
definition.

1261
01:35:46,660 --> 01:35:52,340
And again, perhaps you don't have the opportunity to provide me with the specificness to

1262
01:35:52,340 --> 01:35:55,880
what defines a multi-use trail.

1263
01:35:56,260 --> 01:36:08,500
We have an unmaintained, never cleared, never removed, never cleared sidewalk, and we have

1264
01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:15,640
very now, a portion of the roadway that maybe you clarify, you qualify as a bicycle in,

1265
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:21,160
and I might say, I qualify that as just a, I don't know what it is, but it's just something

1266
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:29,440
that cyclists will use at their great peril. So, I just wanted to really bring this attention

1267
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:33,880
to Mayor and Council, because this is not the multi-use trail, at least in my definition,

1268
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:38,020
and I'd be happy to have a better understanding on that

1269
01:36:38,020 --> 01:36:40,120
on the definition of a pay-off trail.

1270
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:42,200
Thank you.

1271
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,640
Just to clarify, the definition of multi-strail is basically a sidewalk

1272
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:49,660
or a asphalt paved trail that's at least eight feet wide.

1273
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:53,800
It has the name multi-use because once a sidewalk

1274
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,140
is at least eight feet wide, you can allow pedestrians and bicyclists

1275
01:36:57,140 --> 01:36:59,800
to be on it without being in conflict with each other.

1276
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,160
I mean, measure this sidewalk?

1277
01:37:01,980 --> 01:37:02,180
Yes.

1278
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:07,180
Okay, so this is eight feet regarding the maintenance issue.

1279
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:10,200
I just want to point out that is something we identified in our master plan.

1280
01:37:11,940 --> 01:37:14,760
Two, or no, it was in our bike pit plan, sorry, three years ago.

1281
01:37:15,860 --> 01:37:19,500
We had some concerns from our stakeholders about maintaining the bicycle lanes,

1282
01:37:19,940 --> 01:37:20,940
mainly on the river firm.

1283
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:24,980
So usually this time of year when the leaves are falling or after storms,

1284
01:37:25,140 --> 01:37:29,360
we have to brief all the transmission department to close our streetsweepers out there

1285
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:34,320
to the bike lanes along Riverside Road primarily east of 400 in those wooded areas where

1286
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:39,620
the tree canopy is significant and also on Willy O Road. Make sure the bike lanes are clear.

1287
01:37:40,260 --> 01:37:43,960
We actually just did it. I think Thursday last week we wanted to get it ready for the weekend

1288
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:47,600
as the weather was nice and we needed to be a lot of cyclist out there. But that was something

1289
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:52,180
we put in there just to make sure that wasn't being neglected. You mentioned it was on Old

1290
01:37:52,180 --> 01:37:55,920
Alabama Road. So if there's concern out there, I'll be glad to talk to our maintenance folks

1291
01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:00,740
to go out there now. The only wrinkle with that plan is that the city of Atlanta is doing their

1292
01:38:00,740 --> 01:38:05,480
water line relocation project and they have portions of Old Alabama route kind of torn up

1293
01:38:05,480 --> 01:38:09,860
right now with all the construction barrels. So it may be difficult to get in there, but we

1294
01:38:09,860 --> 01:38:11,700
could definitely take a look if there's any concerns.

1295
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:14,980
I mentioned there's some broken sidewalks, a lot of that investigated as well.

1296
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:18,040
Okay, great. Thank you. Thanks. Councillor Vervanchor.

1297
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:25,120
Yeah, Frederick, just to maybe clarify for you, is your question more on Old Alabama or on the

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01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:26,000
perversite project.

1299
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:35,480
I did a little bit out of scope, but in the context of what the gentleman described as

1300
01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:41,180
dispersion under the curve, there are under 400, that is a key connection to the multi-use

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01:38:41,180 --> 01:38:52,680
trail, I use his words, to all that Obama, I was suddenly surprised to have this sidewalk

1302
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,200
described as a multi-use trail.

1303
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:59,260
But hey, I have no fear. I have a measuring tip, and I will go check on the ATT.

1304
01:38:59,420 --> 01:39:05,280
And I'd just like to clarify on Riverside, that will be the multi-use trail we separate from the bike trail,

1305
01:39:05,300 --> 01:39:08,960
just like where we live on Azalea, where you've got a separate bike trail on separate,

1306
01:39:09,220 --> 01:39:13,420
multi-use trail, which is, I just want to clarify that. Right. But on Riverside, you have

1307
01:39:13,420 --> 01:39:21,400
at least three feet of bicycle lane. Riverside is a very comfortable cycling road. All

1308
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:22,500
out of my ma's murder.

1309
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:25,900
Okay, thank you.

1310
01:39:25,900 --> 01:39:26,460
Thank you, Frederick.

1311
01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:27,260
Thank you, Peter.

1312
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,360
Any other thoughts, comments, or questions from

1313
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:32,420
rural residents?

1314
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:35,440
Being that they're not, I'd like to bring it back to

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01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:35,860
Council.

1316
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:37,860
Council any other additional thoughts or comments

1317
01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:38,260
on the matter?

1318
01:39:38,340 --> 01:39:39,220
Council member, Palermo.

1319
01:39:42,020 --> 01:39:42,800
Thank you, Mayor Wilson.

1320
01:39:43,900 --> 01:39:49,440
So this has certainly been a long process, and I certainly hope

1321
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:53,020
that there'll be efficiencies found for the future.

1322
01:39:53,220 --> 01:39:54,800
That being said, I

1323
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:59,620
I do think the project has greatly improved from what staff originally presented.

1324
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:09,260
So I think there were some great suggestions raised by the Transportation Advisory Commission

1325
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:15,640
and in many of which were incorporated and there were certainly some that including what

1326
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:20,320
was discussed tonight where I think there were certainly some good points but some different

1327
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:28,540
challenges. I'd say for one, I do not support reducing the sidewalks. I think when the public

1328
01:40:28,540 --> 01:40:34,380
process was done on this, the sidewalks were certainly very popular among the neighborhoods

1329
01:40:34,380 --> 01:40:41,140
on the north side of Riverside. So I do not support removing the sidewalks. And then as

1330
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:49,280
for, as for the, some of the other details, so you know, just obviously the challenge was brought

1331
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:55,480
that where there's fire hydrants is the 26 foot requirement, that being said, I think one of the

1332
01:40:55,480 --> 01:41:03,200
big great ways that this was improved due to the risk of the city working harder to discourage

1333
01:41:04,300 --> 01:41:10,400
cut through traffic and big trucks going through, et cetera. The fact that the lanes were narrowed

1334
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:17,060
from what was originally suggested and proposed. There's, you know, just the fact that by having

1335
01:41:17,060 --> 01:41:23,820
those bumps in that graded pavement area, certainly going to be not encouraging high speeds,

1336
01:41:24,340 --> 01:41:28,660
which I think is helpful for the safety of the many pedestrians that are here, etc.

1337
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:36,660
And certainly with just the safety that median islands, islands bring, I will mention

1338
01:41:36,660 --> 01:41:42,480
with the grass, there are certainly aspects I personally really do like about it.

1339
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:48,420
the two meeting the grass in between the bike lane and the road.

1340
01:41:48,900 --> 01:41:52,160
There's aspects I certainly really like and prefer with it.

1341
01:41:52,980 --> 01:41:56,420
But two major concerns that I have one is around the costs.

1342
01:41:56,820 --> 01:42:04,920
So I have concerns that although there's parts of what Jason you presented tonight that I certainly prefer,

1343
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:11,740
I'm not convinced that it ends up being cheaper than the current project being discussed.

1344
01:42:11,740 --> 01:42:29,480
So one is just the cost and then number two is hearing from from those in the bicycle community of having concerns with the with the grass separating it there, you know, just the risks of needing to pass et cetera.

1345
01:42:29,780 --> 01:42:32,080
That's where I just have some concerns with some of the details.

1346
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:41,140
But again, I don't want to hone in on what we're some of the few areas for some separate views.

1347
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:48,540
And I do want to focus on the fact that the plan we have tonight has a lot of better stuff than it was originally proposed.

1348
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:52,100
And that better stuff would not have happened if we didn't have this process.

1349
01:42:52,100 --> 01:42:56,160
And we didn't have the great opportunity for more residents getting involved in the discussion.

1350
01:42:56,160 --> 01:43:00,280
Thank you, Councillor Miller.

1351
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:03,460
Councillor Miller, Christine Hall.

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01:43:04,300 --> 01:43:04,340
Thank you.

1353
01:43:04,340 --> 01:43:05,360
Yes, thank you.

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01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:14,180
I also think that there was a lot of public input, a lot of work, a lot of very work and this

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01:43:14,180 --> 01:43:18,140
is very excited about this plan as presented.

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01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:25,500
I also am excited that it ties in its consistent with the extension in Australia other

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and the width of the road and we lose some of the width for the bike lanes, but with

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01:43:33,940 --> 01:43:43,000
the fence adding the fence, it'll be consistent and just more of a appropriate look for

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01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:50,600
extending azalea to that side. So I'm very much in support of this plan.

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01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:55,320
Thank you, Councilmember Kristina Hall, Councilmember Wilmorethland.

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01:43:57,220 --> 01:44:04,300
Mr. Cox, there were two questions that were posed in Mr. Eales presentation right there.

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01:44:04,460 --> 01:44:07,120
He brought up two ideas that I made note of.

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One was increasing the bike lanes to six feet.

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And the other is removing curbing gutter.

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01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:16,720
Can you speak to those two points?

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01:44:19,790 --> 01:44:26,190
Yes, regarding adding extra widths to the bike lanes, there would not be an issue operation

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01:44:26,190 --> 01:44:26,810
with that.

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01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:32,330
That would give an extra two feet cyclist, one thing that might be beneficial is if bicycle

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01:44:32,330 --> 01:44:36,930
riders are down there, they might ride two abreast, you know, something like do those larger

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01:44:36,930 --> 01:44:37,490
group rides.

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01:44:37,630 --> 01:44:42,630
We see down there pretty regularly, that might allow some more room for that to occur, it

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01:44:42,630 --> 01:44:47,750
would just be a matter of space, and you will find what there might be increased cost to those

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01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:56,210
operations or one will it fit with space to, you know, is there an increase cost? Is it possible

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01:44:56,210 --> 01:44:59,970
with removing carbon gutter, you know, the whole scenario? Yes, so if we were...

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01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:15,800
We're going to remove the curb and gutter. There would have to be some additional drainage aspects put in. One of the concerns is there's approximately, I think there's nine or ten driveways on the north side of where the curb and gutter is proposed. There is currently no curb and gutter on the south side of the roadway.

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01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:25,540
So staff would have to look at drainage structures. We would likely have to reconstruct many driveways, the ten are so they're out there to make sure you get the pipe underneath the driveway.

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and we'd also have drainage structures to drain any storm water under the road

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01:45:30,380 --> 01:45:34,720
towards the river. That's the natural drainage pattern. So we'd have to basically

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01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:38,780
have a drainage system, I don't want to call it a French drain, it's more complicated

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01:45:38,780 --> 01:45:44,020
than that. But it's definitely possible. One thing that the current estimate we have

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01:45:44,020 --> 01:45:48,920
for this concept originally was around $8 million. The budget in the T-spost

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01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:57,500
a lot and it was 8.7 so it had extra 2 feet or 4 feet total to the bike lanes and you remove

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01:45:57,500 --> 01:46:01,560
the curb and gutter you would have to have a 5 foot grass strip between the edge of the

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01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:05,860
road and the sidewalk. If there's curb and gutter you only have to have 2 so there might

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01:46:05,860 --> 01:46:10,960
be a slight width increase I think the right of way or the typical section was 46 feet

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01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:17,820
across. That's correct so you'd be kicking that up into nearly 50 feet. So there is room there

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01:46:17,820 --> 01:46:19,820
would be some additional cost for the drainage.

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01:46:20,660 --> 01:46:23,880
I don't know if wide away would be coming to play more there.

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01:46:25,020 --> 01:46:26,980
It's have to take a closer look at that.

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01:46:27,460 --> 01:46:31,140
The one thing we are wary of is if you widen it,

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01:46:31,220 --> 01:46:33,780
we don't want to involve any of the parks projects

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01:46:33,780 --> 01:46:34,300
that are in there.

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01:46:34,440 --> 01:46:35,940
There's some permitting and environmental things.

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01:46:36,140 --> 01:46:37,080
We want to be mindful of.

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01:46:37,100 --> 01:46:39,580
We don't want to adversely impact their projects.

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01:46:39,740 --> 01:46:40,940
So we want to make sure we stay.

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01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:43,360
In the right away, we have available

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and that might mean possibly shifting the road slightly

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to the north.

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01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:52,180
But I don't foresee the major problem with that, but the cost will go up probably anywhere from 500 to

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01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:56,720
$800,000 I'm guessing, but something we need to study a little more.

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01:47:02,700 --> 01:47:04,660
No, sir. Your time is up.

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01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,300
Councilman, Portland. Any other additional comments?

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01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,040
Yeah, I will tell you. Any other comments from council?

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01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:17,500
That

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the

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received?

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01:47:27,820 --> 01:47:29,280
The only thing that I wouldn't

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As far as the cost, if there's an opportunity to not spend an additional 5 to 800,000 and

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01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:42,160
use that towards sidewalk gaps and other parts of the city, you know, I'd be interested

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01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:43,160
in that.

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01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:49,720
Yeah, that is a concern we may want to make sure we stay within our T-spos budget.

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01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:55,320
Another aspect I apologize I've failed to mention is we're also exploring any opportunities

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01:47:55,320 --> 01:48:01,360
are maybe to improve the traffic signals there, replacing the wire mounted signals and use the

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01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:06,060
mass storms. That might be a feature I believe we have some money for. So that would make

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01:48:06,060 --> 01:48:10,040
that more likely to happen to replace the existing signals but mass storms out there like you

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01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:15,160
have out here in the historic district. Just come more as aesthetic or beautification effort. So those

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01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:21,570
are something staff are considering as well. I think it's important to note that in the process of

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01:48:21,570 --> 01:48:28,810
of going through and trying to do the, what's in the best interest of fellow residents.

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01:48:29,890 --> 01:48:34,990
This merit council went to great length, one through the creation of the Transportation

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01:48:34,990 --> 01:48:39,990
Advisory Commission and putting this issue in the Transportation Advisory Commission's

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01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:46,430
hands, seeking additional input from other stakeholders in the city, having this come to

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01:48:46,430 --> 01:48:50,650
committee and then pushing it back to allow the Transportation Advisory Commission to

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01:48:50,650 --> 01:48:56,670
evaluated again and then to meet with stakeholders and then to meet with our dot. Then again

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01:48:56,670 --> 01:49:03,270
having it come back to committee and having further negotiation on it. So I think this

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council has shown tremendous discretion on this matter and has given it a great deal of time

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01:49:11,050 --> 01:49:17,170
for a digestion period in terms of consideration. I find it unfortunate that this is a perfect

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01:49:17,170 --> 01:49:21,790
example and this we're often people I think get in trouble politics is that if a couple

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01:49:21,790 --> 01:49:27,010
of people don't like it, it continues to get forestalled just because and it's already

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01:49:27,010 --> 01:49:31,290
been deliberated upon. It's been deliberated upon by the Transportation Advisory Commission,

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01:49:31,810 --> 01:49:36,870
been deliberated upon by our done, it's been deliberated upon in committee. This matter has

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01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:44,930
been deliberated upon at great links by the processes put in place in the city. And this is

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01:49:44,930 --> 01:49:47,310
a perfect example where I think in the past,

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01:49:47,590 --> 01:49:49,190
the city has gotten itself in trouble

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01:49:49,190 --> 01:49:52,870
because somebody or two people or three people

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01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:55,190
don't like it, and if they yell loud enough

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01:49:55,190 --> 01:49:59,530
and say enough things, then the elected officials say,

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01:49:59,770 --> 01:50:01,150
oh, we're not gonna do it.

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01:50:01,290 --> 01:50:04,070
That's a perfect example where this process

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01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:05,650
was exhausted internally.

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01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:09,170
All parties were brought to the table and discussed

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01:50:09,170 --> 01:50:10,050
and again and again.

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01:50:10,590 --> 01:50:12,310
And somebody doesn't like it at the end

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01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:14,890
and come up with who's part of the process.

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01:50:15,410 --> 01:50:16,530
That's amazing to me.

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01:50:17,310 --> 01:50:19,170
So I congratulate the council.

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01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:22,690
I congratulate the Transportation Advisory Commission.

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01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:24,730
I congratulate our dot.

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01:50:25,470 --> 01:50:27,150
And I congratulate the stakeholders

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01:50:27,150 --> 01:50:28,910
who are outside of those who were involved

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01:50:28,910 --> 01:50:30,730
in the deliberation process.

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01:50:30,930 --> 01:50:33,450
This was a great deal of time put into this.

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01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:36,050
And I appreciate all the work that we didn't do.

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01:50:36,190 --> 01:50:38,410
And Dave, I appreciate all the work of you and your team.

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01:50:38,670 --> 01:50:40,450
This was an excellent compromise

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01:50:40,450 --> 01:50:42,930
of a lot of different stakeholders in our city.

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01:50:43,230 --> 01:50:45,370
So thank you.

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01:50:45,710 --> 01:50:47,650
Councillor McLaren, would you like to make a motion?

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01:50:50,510 --> 01:50:51,610
Motion to approve.

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01:50:51,950 --> 01:50:54,910
This concept has presented by Mr. Cox.

1461
01:50:55,790 --> 01:50:56,550
Thank you, Councillor McLaren.

1462
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:58,070
Well, do I have a second on the second?

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01:50:58,830 --> 01:51:00,730
Seconded by Councillor McLaren, Christine Hill.

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01:51:01,430 --> 01:51:05,490
All those in favor of the, let's get the right one.

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01:51:08,150 --> 01:51:08,690
Christine Hill?

1466
01:51:09,290 --> 01:51:10,930
But that's it, something else, Christine Hill.

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01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:13,250
Christine Hill, again, shows up.

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01:51:13,250 --> 01:51:16,130
Thank you, Council member Christine Hall, for the second.

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01:51:17,250 --> 01:51:19,850
All those in favor of the approval of the Riverside Road

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01:51:19,850 --> 01:51:21,270
Concept, please raise your hands.

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01:51:22,430 --> 01:51:23,330
It passes unanimously.

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01:51:23,590 --> 01:51:24,690
Thank you very much.

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01:51:26,590 --> 01:51:28,870
Next, we'll now go to the City Attorney's Report.

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01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:32,570
Mr. David Davis, and David, please read your first item on your report.

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01:51:32,970 --> 01:51:33,490
Thank you, Mayor.

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01:51:33,650 --> 01:51:37,050
The first item I have is approval of a resolution authorizing use of

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01:51:37,050 --> 01:51:42,090
to acquire interest and property situated at 50 maple street.

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01:51:43,010 --> 01:51:53,250
This would allow the city to condemn property that's needed as one of the last parcels needed for the Oxford Road Project.

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01:51:53,470 --> 01:52:06,330
It is 1368 feet for fee simple and 2947.47 square feet of property for temporary easement for the slope easements.

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01:52:06,330 --> 01:52:12,010
this would also authorize the Mayor to sign on necessary documents, including a declaration of

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01:52:12,010 --> 01:52:18,530
taking in order for the city of Roswell condemning the property and recommend approval.

1482
01:52:19,570 --> 01:52:22,670
Thank you, David. Does council have any questions or comments from Mr. Davidson?

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01:52:26,090 --> 01:52:26,490
Surely, this

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01:52:26,490 --> 01:52:31,690
is a historic night in the history of Roswell. This little moment matter just comes on like city

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01:52:31,690 --> 01:52:35,230
attorneys report. No, he's got any thoughts or comments or questions on this?

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01:52:39,190 --> 01:52:45,550
And I'll finish it off with a motion of this mayor and council will allow, at the end of

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01:52:45,550 --> 01:52:54,750
day I certainly do not want the city to be making an easy decision of a very difficult

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01:52:54,750 --> 01:52:55,250
decision.

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01:52:55,890 --> 01:53:01,690
And at the same time when there is transportation projects that clearly have a lot of support

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01:53:01,690 --> 01:53:08,930
from the residents, that the last thing the residents want is overpaying for a property when

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01:53:08,930 --> 01:53:15,830
there's someone not, and any time there's any one not willing to fairly negotiate and

1492
01:53:15,830 --> 01:53:24,910
also any time that someone does not want to fairly negotiate to have to slow down projects,

1493
01:53:25,390 --> 01:53:25,570
et cetera.

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01:53:25,570 --> 01:53:31,050
I'm not speaking at all to this specific project, but instead just sharing my philosophy

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01:53:31,050 --> 01:53:38,050
on there are certainly situations when the company, when the city should use eminent domain

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01:53:38,050 --> 01:53:40,370
in the best interest of its taxpayers and residents.

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01:53:41,790 --> 01:53:43,190
Yeah, thank you, Michael.

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01:53:43,870 --> 01:53:46,010
Any other thoughts or comments or questions from Council?

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01:53:47,630 --> 01:53:52,790
I saw that Mr. Jason out for the public, so comments from public, Roswell residents.

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01:53:54,290 --> 01:53:55,370
Mr. Yow.

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01:53:55,650 --> 01:53:55,930
Welcome.

1502
01:53:57,510 --> 01:54:07,850
What a surprise that are got bailed again to tell you months and months and months

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01:54:07,850 --> 01:54:12,490
ago that they didn't have all the right away that needed to complete the oxbow practice.

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01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:25,420
And yet you accept their explanations that my concept for Riverside is more expensive than

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01:54:25,420 --> 01:54:25,680
theirs.

1506
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,560
So, Mr. Biao, are your comments and reference to this particular

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01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:29,060
revolution?

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01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:32,700
If they're not, they're not relevant and I can't allow you to

1509
01:54:32,700 --> 01:54:33,360
continue to speak.

1510
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:41,900
I just want to say that it's shocking that the project is this far

1511
01:54:41,900 --> 01:54:45,900
along, and there's more right away that needs to be acquired.

1512
01:54:47,940 --> 01:54:50,840
It goes to the credibility of our dot,

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01:54:53,100 --> 01:54:54,300
and personally I don't

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01:54:54,300 --> 01:55:02,780
Why anyone I'm here in Council, of course, and any measure of credibility because they've squandered it. Every turn every time you turn around

1515
01:55:02,780 --> 01:55:13,500
It's really this is how it is. I'm I'm I'm baffled. I'm just baffled. And that's all I have to say thank you, Mr. Yelph anybody else from the public for other reasons like to speak

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01:55:15,780 --> 01:55:18,040
Okay, thank you. I'm gonna bring it back to council

1517
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:24,000
Council member Pilar. Well, I'd like to make a motion to approve this resolution. I would like to make a comment.

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01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:26,020
actually before we could make the big thing.

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01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:31,340
So this is, if you look at the side of the

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01:55:31,340 --> 01:55:32,880
Oxbow, the Gerard Oxbow report.

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01:55:34,300 --> 01:55:37,960
One of the pieces in it was the inability

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01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:41,380
of the city, longstanding to use in it domain.

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01:55:42,340 --> 01:55:46,180
The city for decades has had a policy of

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01:55:46,180 --> 01:55:48,940
not using in the domain, and nobody takes that lightly,

1525
01:55:49,340 --> 01:55:51,300
particularly when you're dealing with private property rights.

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01:55:51,300 --> 01:55:58,960
However, not having that as a tool, which is identified in the Gerard Report and Reverend

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01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:05,640
Stockspot, cost this city and the taxpayers millions of dollars.

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01:56:06,580 --> 01:56:11,340
And so I won't tell you tonight to historic night because this council and the staff

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01:56:11,340 --> 01:56:16,340
recognizes that that tool has to be part of the arsenal of protecting the taxpayers'

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01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:29,760
And so for the first time that I know in the history of Roswell in the domain is being used as a tool as what governments do to help protect cost.

1531
01:56:30,340 --> 01:56:34,860
And that's really what this is all about. This is a significant, this is a historical night quite frankly.

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01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:44,700
And if this is a tool could have saved our taxpayers and millions upon millions upon millions upon millions of dollars in the past.

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01:56:44,700 --> 01:56:46,280
And Knoxville is a perfect example.

1534
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:51,380
So I'm glad you brought up Knoxville because as a perfect example we're in the domain

1535
01:56:51,380 --> 01:56:56,960
was not used and it cost myself and my fellow residents a lot of money.

1536
01:56:57,540 --> 01:57:00,660
So with that being said, council member polarimal would you like to make a motion sir?

1537
01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:07,400
Motion to approve this resolution to authorize the use of eminent domain to acquire

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01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:10,500
interest in the properties situated at 50 maple street.

1539
01:57:10,500 --> 01:57:16,220
You can't so member-paramble. Do I have a second? Seconded by Councilmember Vance from yes, sir. Sorry.

1540
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:29,160
I'll give me a second. No second. Thank you, sir. So all those in favor of the approval of resolution authorizing the use of imminent domain to acquire interest and property situated at 50 maple street. Please raise your hands.

1541
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:32,160
The motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

1542
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:35,620
David, please read your last item on the report.

1543
01:57:35,620 --> 01:57:41,440
Thank you, Mayor. The only other item I have is a recommendation for closure to discuss personal litigation and real estate.

1544
01:57:41,740 --> 01:57:45,820
Thank you, sir. Do I have a motion for closure? Thank you, Councillor Plober. Do I have a second?

1545
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:51,600
Second of my council member, here's all those in favor please, where your hands. It is unanimous and it passes unanimously.

1546
01:57:51,780 --> 01:57:56,400
Thank you very much, being that there are no other items. This mayor in council meeting of October 2014.

1547
01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:01,720
We'll see you in closer, Jamie, because we thank you for being here.