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Temple City Council Policy Committee to Order Roll Call, Please.
>> Councilmember Bowie. Council, president maker Councilor Johst Councilmember
Coleman Councilmember Ken as a vice president being here. Councilman Johnson. Seeing 5
present to absent. Councilmember Bowie is excuse for the first 30 minutes of
the meeting. And we have 3 items our agenda today. >> And the first we're really
excited to welcome the Port Authority. I think Mr. OK? tag team effort to present on the
part death Port Authority's industrial and study. This is something I know all of us
have expressed a lot of interest. And as we talk about extending a tax base, which is
a parody for this whole council and the timing couldn't be better as we
approach budget season. So why not? And we have a innovation at the council, which is a
timer. For presentations. So we're going to set it for 45 minutes and it will. some
point and kind app that you can, >> Wonderful. good morning and
thanks for having us here today. I'm I'm senior vice president of communications
and external affairs at the Port Authority. We are very excited to be here today to
walk through our findings of the industrial and study that we commissioned last year. We
work with the North's Pan who is a agency who works in the Upper Midwest and Economic
development. And we wanted to make sure that this was something that would
>> be able to paint a pretty picture of Allison has industrial and different from
prior studies we've done at the Port Authority. This looks at all of the industry as a
man intent not just our business owners to the port. >> When we kind of put this
study together, we met key stakeholders to walk to the study and we also have a lot
of presentations planned in communities. Our district councils and others. That
being said, if you see this presentation today and you think their community groups
of folks who think would be interested in this information, please reach out
to me. I would love to get an encounter. Is we really want to make sure we're sharing
this with folks making sure this information is really considered in land use
decisions and that community members understand kind of the data and facts behind investor
an unsafe. With that, I'll turn it over to our president had Hurley who's going to walk
through the findings of our >> Good morning. Thank you, Ashley Council, president
Nneka members of the City Council. My name is Todd Gurley and the president and
CEO of the Saint Paul Port Authority. I have with me today here also Mike Solomon,
who is the chief financial officer of the Port Authority in Christine Williams, who is
our chief development officer and again, reasons for having them here is this study at the
Saint. Paul Port Authority has really been an all hands on deck.
>> There are there are conversations we have across our organization around the
development and Saint Paul are on the financing in Saint Paul, interim communications
and outreach in Saint Paul. And so I thought to be appropriate to have my
leadership team here who have all partaking in this So again, thank you for your for
the time to be here. I don't know where the timers, but I'm sure hope Ogden within 30
here. It's it's here Okay. I don't know if there's could be like line down the block. sole
up in front of you is really the title page of this. But one of the things that all
start this with is is is as Ashley talked about, we have working on this for the past
year. And we've and this has been out in community and out in certain places already
called president, a Kurd had the opportunity to talk with coach President Acre about
this, which is how we got the opportunity to come to the policy session here. It would
be great to be here earlier, but as timing went the 20th of May was the first time we
could get out here. So I appreciate being here. Also Councilmember, Yank
Commissioner Yang at the Port Authority Commissioner Johnson. They also did see a
preview, a different version of this presentation. So some of this none of this is really
going to to certain people. But I hope that it is actually informational for the council.
And again, looking to have a conversation as we go through this because there could be a
lot of questions and I'm more than willing to take questions. And I my team who
can also help with anything that being said. The steeple port authority, a very high
level. Our mission at the Saint Paul Prt Authority is really around expanding the
city's tax One of the things we do is we clean up contaminated land we look to
create quality jobs in the city of Saint Paul. >> While advancing sustainable
and equitable development will also be in a fierce advocate for the working So that's the
same port authority really has our mission. get you know what, what is this study? So
really in this study, we are really trying to dig deep into what is the real value of
industrial land in a in the municipality in a city like the city of Saint Paul. So
what we did is we really used data provide information to inform the study on the value
of industrial and in Saint Paul. We aso wanted to use this study to update the what
I would call the all outdated perception of what what is industrial and what is What is
it? Industrial user in Saint Paul? And so we'll get into some of
that in this study. Aain. And then using data talk about a tax revenues generated within
industrial properties in Saint Paul. what does that mean with the cost of city services
that are consumed by industrial and users in Saint Paul? Why now? One of this was
a has been part of our work plan. And why now really is is really kind of well written
down in this slide. We're sitting here in Saint Paul and we've got several conversion
pressures in Saint Paul. And I know all of as council members are hearing about these. But
right now we're experiencing a slow, a slowing in our tax base were also experiencing
rising taxes. I just did this presentation early May or late April and property tax
statements went out and people were concerned about property taxes. And so one of the
things that I think we can find out find from this is that industrial and does
provide a great way to generate property taxes in the city. Other things that we we
we know our land is limited, especially industrial. And and I've got maps she figures in
this study that talked about the limitations and the scarcity of industrial land in
Saint Paul. And as you we've been working hard and the downtown and the downtown is
in flux. But I do think we're in an opportunity as work through the issues in downtown
all again, all very kind issues in Saint Paul. So the time is right to understand
really the benefits of industry no word. What we'll talk about. How do we balance
plan pressures? I mean, there are there are people there are we know that there is a
housing need and Saint Paul, but we also know that there is a property even so how do we
keep diversity in our in our land to create opportunities for tax base. One of the
questions that came up and so will our presentations is when you talk about industrial and
you talk about industrial uses, what are those types of uses? And so this slide is
actually a new slide in the presentation as couple weeks ago. again, I won't read all
of these, but just for informational purposes, we want to the list. The types of
uses that that can happen and do happen in Sint Paul in industrial zone landed. So,
you know, you can start at a very high level. You've got manufacturing and you've got
construction. But you go down the list to move. Got transportation and
warehousing. We've got commercial industrial machinery, rental and leasing.
We've got women in uniform supply companies and Saint Paul appliance repairs and
maintenance Trump, utilities Lisi waste management and telecommunication. So there
are a lot of use industrial land tat that out that actually, you know, tey're
here, they're in our neighborhoods different create opportunities for jobs in the
U.S. provide great opportunities to catch bass again. Use this just to really
what the types industries we had in Saint Paul. So the nature of industrial land in
the city of Saint Paul, really, these are these are some of the findings that we
we we someone knew but also learned as we did this study and really for findings in the
city of Saint Paul expand a little bit on each of these number one is that industrial
land in Saint Paul is limited. It is a finite resource. And again, we'll see and hear. It
is actually Jude geographically concentrated and is geographically
concentrated around. Really. We're transportation corridors, accused highways
rails in the river. that's number 2. And number 3, one of the findings we have 2 is once
once land is converted away from industrial is really difficult to replace.
difficult to rezone property in Saint Paul from one used to industrial. But we have found
in the past that land that has been industrial has has had a track record of being
converted into other uses. The Ford site is a great example. We're not saying that what
happened at Fort is wrong by any means. But 125 acres at Ford was industrial and was
converted to a great, a great neighbor, done a great community But one of the
things we also found is that when you think about the Hillcrest Golf course, right,
that the Port Authority has been redeveloping. The opportunity there. that's the
first time in our history that we are actually able to convert land from a golf
course to 54 Eagles converted and light industry which is going to create a lot of
property taxes and a lot of jobs and actually works well in the neighborhood because
it's also adjacent to one a 1000 housing units in Saint Paul. And we'll
talk a little bit about that. Another finding, which is a bit of an aha moment for us.
And I have a map that will show this is that. the land in Saint Paul that is on
industrial. Half of that is actually not developable. And I'll get into that a little
bit more in future maps. So this map talking about so again, a slide in this
presentation. And I think councilmember maker, this is actually hit a question. You
had for us is, you know, what it a map of the city of Saint Paul? Where is the land is
zoned industrial. So you can see on this map here that. This is this This is the land
is on the industry through the same party can see it follows transportation corridors and
it follows a river in the airport. All but one of the points that we make here is of
this 50%, only half of that is developable. So a couple reasons for that. One is when
you look at the the larger area that pig's That's pig's Eye Lake that is not going to
be developed, although even though it's zoned industrial, in addition to that others
vacant parcels that are down by them up to the Metropolitan Council, Environmental
Services down on the bottom of the page. then a lot of the real world corridors here are
not there. That won't be able to be developed. So when you think about this, just this in
the city as a whole, this area just the start. Blue areas represent geographically 12%
of the city. But only half of that is developable. So only 6%
geographically of the city is actually developable for additional or to maintain
industrial properties in Saint Paul and just to pass the director for second. That's
>> good news from the port perspective, I would assume and that that means that the
development pressure only applies to half of the industrial and that we're
talking up. >> So we get again. So I want to pause there for one second
just for the city council to actually, you know, when you see this mp here again, this
is that this is the the property we're talking about again, 12% geographically is
Jones industrial. Only 6% or half of that is actually has the opportunity to be either
maintain or redeveloped and Saint Paul, unless we can figure out how to convert
other lands in Saint Paul. So when we get into the actual findings of the report, which
are going to be the next few really kind of categorized into kind of 3 areas. One is
discussion around industrial land in Saint Paul ad how it can be how it is in can be an
economic engine for the city of Saint Paul. Secondly, how you can actually serve as the
backbone of our tax base in the city of Saint Paul. And then thirdly, the benefits of
industrial land as it is there, there are benefits within the neighborhoods right
around the benefits of the jobs that are created and the benefits of jobs what we found
in here, too. And I'll talk about this is that these jobs are actually work from work
there in person. And that is something we discovered as we went through the pandemic and
started tinking about remote work and what that does in your community and what that
to to the ripple effect of the economics of the neighborhood. When people are working remote
showing up, coming to work every day. So the first the first finding again, is around
the economic engine. And these are just some stats that we found to be really
interesting. When we talk about the industry so inland in Saint Paul and what the
economics are of that. So you can see on this slide. The industrial. And it's a
Paul provides about 31,000 jobs or supports 31,000 jobs in the city. And that's a
pretty large number. I don't know, actually. Do we percent of what that is of all of the
jobs? We have that number of one point. And I can 5 follow-up, but I
wanted to make sure that as a percent, it's not a small percent of the jobs. And Saint
Paul. Again, 2.8 billion dollars in income. industrial land in Saint Paul. A direct
economic output of over 9 billion dollars and then annual tax patch contributions
of over a billion dollars. And those are those are sales taxes or state, local and
federal taxes generated in Saint Paul. But over a billion dollars for
mental sure. And check all. Again industrial activity powers to Saint Paul. It can
Canada's power, the the city of Saint Paul, a second finding in a report is that
industrial land can serve as the backbone of our tax base in Saint Paul. And there's a
couple reasons why we say that. get ito sme stats here and these are stats that I-5
phone, very meaningful as as bad as a backbone here. One is I talked about the geographic
area in Saint Paul. But here when you talk about the parcels in Saint Paul, so
1.9%. All of the city of Saint Paul are parcels that are industrial zone that generates
almost 10% of the property taxes in the city of Saint Paul. Again. Tinking about
again, we talk about 2% and then you talk about 10%, you losing any of that is is
something that we just need to be concerned with. As as we look at industrial Saint Paul
and on the opposite side of there's opportunities to create industrial land. And I
know that the comp study that's coming out here does talk about potential for the
opportunities to increase pedestrian land. It's just a meaningful part of Saint Pul
that helps our property tax base. Another slide here that we talked about and I talked
about this is that. Industrial land in the city of Saint Paul's actually a net
contributor to the tax base and what that means in this slide is and we did take the
city's budget into consideration and we looked at property taxes generated in
industrial land in Saint Paul and we looked at services consumed by industrial land in
Saint Paul and mathematically one dollar of services consumed by industrial land in
Saint Paul actually generates a $1.80 in property taxes. What that means is that
industrial intersection, that patch contributor to the city to the city of Saint Paul
other uses and safe. So it benefits other uses in the city of Saint Paul. It
actually can serve as a benefit. When we talk about affordable housing in Saint
Paul, it can be a benefit. When we talk about planned. That is huge for our colleges
and universities in our hospitals. It also benefits land. Parkland in Saint Paul
right. All of those uses are important. And we're not saying that they're not
important, but what we're saying is and what the study says is that and actually
helps offset the cost of services that those those properties that are necessary
in Saint Paul actually consume. Mathematically through tax formulas
industrial land generates $14,000. More. In property taxes. Then then that a
residential piece of property that 14 per $14,000 more per acres actually of 6.61% more
in property taxes are generated. And industrial. And again, a number that is just
number that is good to know because again, it that's a function of catch cpacity
rates. And what happens in industrial land. again, just kind of in Samaria to just
real and can be and is a net positive land use in the city of Saint Paul.
We have a question from the side. >> Just a question of the 1.8%
of parcels to make understanding of That's within the 6% of land. That is dust
trail that can be developed. missing here. Most productive 3rd of that is that?
>> Correct? council president make a councilmember Coleman. yet. So let me up the we talk
about geographically the 6%. Let's see by acreage 6% is developable industrial. And
then we talk about parcels that are developing through the entire city of Saint Paul.
And 1.9% of parcels that are industrial in the city of Saint Paul generate 9.3% of
the property taxes in Saint Paul. So 2 different ways of looking at the benefit that
but industrial and can provide in a city like the city of Saint Paul to some extent.
Yes, okay. >> To follow up because I don't think I'm completely
clear. Does that mean that? 1.9% of all of the parcels in Saint Paul that are that have
something on them. Our industry. Like is this all the industrial parcels that that
is? Yes, because president a Kurd, the 1.9% parcels are industrial. They are the
industrial properties that are actually generating property taxes in Saint Paul.
>> One of the other findings that I talked about and I'm just going to went on so I can
make I wanted in this slide here. When we talk about productive industrial performs
other lands in Saint Paul. Oe of the things that I wanted to add, this is more of real-life
what we're experiencing here now in Saint Paul, things that the Port Authority is working
on. What we talk about the performance jobs and tax base. So so we are currently in the
middle of 3 projects. We industrial projects in Saint Paul. 1, one of them right
now. It was at the height I didn't know the council's familiar with this, but the
Excel property. That is being actually finishing as we speak up at the Heights. So
again, former golf course and should say that when the Port Authority acquired the golf
course, property taxes generated on that golf course with less than $500,000. And
there were no jobs on that on that site. And so we talked about the performance of
industrial land. 54 Acres was reserved was rezoned a new industrial. Our first tenant
moving in as we speak is Xcel Energy. 339,000 Square feet. building.
160 million dollars is what we believe that the and value will be generate and that
that's going generate north of a million dollars in property taxes. So just one industrial
property creating over 400 jobs on the site again. So when you think about the 20
acres that is now excel and the property taxes generated and the jobs generated again,
it goes. really is one of those real life examples about the benefit of having that
work. There also goes into the conversation, too. If you saw the Pioneer Press talking
about how industrial can work with residential, you you can be living in a habitat house
right now looking across the street up at excel and not really and not think that
you're in this old perception of steps, smokestacks and noise, pollution and air
pollution. It's a beautiful building. It works well with the neighborhood and they're
going to be great neighbors. And that was a big part of one of the messages we got out of
here that they can be good neighbors, another property that is. And this is this is
really happening as we speak. So for for commissioners, Johnson Yang, we will be
bringing person next to Port Authority to what we call it 6. That is the industrial
property just south of excel. We have a purchase agreement coming in front of the board.
And the plan there is with developer coming in looking to build 125,000 Square feet over
20 million dollars in value and over $400,000 in property taxes and the goal there again
is to meet our jobs requirement around at least one job per square foot. So
again, another great when when we have the opportunity to bring industrial users. And
finally, we've talked about Kmart here before. And again, Kmart, we are still working
through the Kmart site, but our goals are lofty. But we do think that we are going to be
able to bring 30 to 40 million dollars in value and north of a million dollars to maybe
even closer to 2 million dollars in property tax at the Kmart site. All and again,
appreciate the council and working with Sony to maintain maintain industrial zoning on
that site so we can deliver on the jobs and tax base at the Kmart site. So they'll just
comments that are more in real time as some of the sites come up. The other, the one of the
other final findings we had in here and I talked about this is that the industrial jobs.
Really our in-person jobs and again, that they do, they strengthen the local economy.
And we we had pulled some stats on this in Seoul. When you think about in person,
jobs, one of the things you find is that these industrial sites are primarily in-person
occupation. So these are people are coming to work 5 days a week, sometimes more.
They actually they actually correlate with higher tax revenues are. And there was a
ripple effect in the neighborhood. Because people coming into work creates
neighborhood vitality. And and we we work we work We pulled the study from the Bureau
Statistics that talks about. The foot traffic and how that correlates to rent all that
correlates to values and values and correlating to the value of property taxes. One
other point that we want what we found in here. And that is the providing strong wages.
The te talk about the median industrial sector wage and the jobs in these industries,
comedian job hourly rate. It said $37 an hour. 76,000 $1 a year again. These are good
jobs for the community and really can take they can support a family. And so
another Not part of what we originally set out to study. But when of that, we became
part of the study. We thought it was important to share. And we talked about the ripple Any
questions on any of the refined. looking into some other examples here. Okay. So
the next the next 2 sides will talk a little bit about some before and after some some of
the land. That's that's a pub port authority worked to read redevelop in Saint Paul.
Again, we talked about that. The simple part of for Port Authority Act against
industrial land and will put will hit a Get new slide here. One of the questions we had.
From various community members and other presentations we had or what are sme of the
companies that you're talking about, who are some of the companies that we may or may
not know exist in Saint Paul, who who's actually providing the jobs and the taxes in
Saint Paul. And so we just took a sample of a lot a lot of our industrial users in
Port authority, business centers and put together a pretty simple just
she here for people to see, you know, the various companies that you may or may
not know exist in Saint Paul in your wards, who are actually geat partners trust
in Saint Paul and all of these are in our proper businesses in Saint Paul Business Center.
So again, as you think of these and there are more we grab just a We grab some from
all over the city and put them on the spreadsheet people can see. Yeah, the Wonder
Stallions in the Summit Baldinger Bakery custom drywall and everything in
between exist in Saint Paul and actually are great benefit to our city and they're
industrially zoned properties. We've talked about this before, but just quickly
through here. But when we talk about properties that that the Port Authority has worked we
talk about Westminster Junction over on the east side.
>> Port Authority acquired this property. There was 50 jobs on the $138,000 in
property taxes. You can see it was a real switch aired before it was significantly severely
contaminated. But then you move forward here. Westminster Junction today, 900 jobs, 2.6
million dollars in property taxes and actually holes 16 different companies. Again,
the benefits here again with the jobs and the tax base. And again, when you look at the
building site here, these these again go back to the perception of of the
smokestacks air pollution. And again, we work very closely with the mpca when we do our
projects and so again, just getting people to understand the perception of as we create
new industrial in Saint Paul. They are they're they're great neighbors and their benefit to
the community. The Williamsville Business Center again, another another
remarkable. Aside. And I should say, I know we've had several conversations.
Westminster in Williamsville started off a stiff districts, no lnger artist district. So
this is actually real property tax base in the city of Saint Paul.
>> Williams, was a double over on the edge of downtown Saint Paul. 12 jobs, $80,000 in
property taxes move forward to today. 450 jobs and 2.4 million dollars in property
taxes. And again, that those property taxes are no longer in a tax increment district.
So they are definite benefit to our property tax burden in Saint Paul.
>> One lst one. And this is also important to Energy Park. And this is an old project in
Saint In the Port Authority's history Saint Paul Port Authority Choir. when we
acquired it, it was the a Superfund site. So we have lot of to partners to create this
when we acquired there was no jobs and no tax base moving forward. And again, one of the
reasons we added this is you look for look at it now over 5700 jobs here on Energy Park.
93 companies 0.5 million dollars in property taxes. But just as important and talks
about how and industry can actually be a good neighbor to housing and residential. All
this also contains 780 housing units. Again, not dissimilar to what we're working on at
the Heights to Hillcrest Golf Course. What we're talking about 1000 jobs and 1000
housing units 12 Acres. Again, just again to the perception that we. and industrial can
coexist. really the. It kind of to summarize a lot about what I've been talking about.
I think the dad in the world all come July. We talk about industrial land pretty sheen.
Excellent fiscal returns in our city. We talk about that title. Industrial land can
actually become it actually engine. And there are opportunities in Saint Paul
that we have our eye on it at the Port Authority. It's difficult to talk about them
because they're under private control now are under other control. And and, you know, we
like to be their opportunity ready to take them on and create these results. And then
finally, we talked about modern industrial development. It creates jobs. But it also
isn't what we were creating 100 years ago or 50 years ago. Davis. re great job in Gray -
>> talked about that industrial and can create tax stability in the city of Saint
Paul. >> And when you create catch stability, you can also create
more affordable. >> wages, you can create wages and you can
>> create a benefit to the property. Catch from the city. >> Again, we we'd like to
close with some of the staff to tlk about the in the financial engine again against
these. These have been all moments for us when we talk about that 1.0, 9% of the
park's history, almost 10% of the property tax base. So it is an asset and Saint Paul
and, you know, around our mission, we're looking to try and preserve and make sure
that there day first opportunities in Saint Paul to create catch bass. Also to
help assist with our parks, our affordable housing at our colleges, universities and
hospitals that don't pay property taxes. So with that, I can stand for any questions.
>> Thanks so much, Mr. Really? I really appreciate the presentation. I have one
question and then I'll let my colleagues for sure there are others. Hearing the loud and
clear on the value of industrial land. And I think it's helpful to have the
updated data to back that up. I'm wondering what policy recommendations you would have
for this body to actually ensure that we preserve industrial. And because I
think it's one thing to say it and have sort of heads nodding about it. It's another thing
to do it. And it's another thing in particular to do it when there are other competing
demands, as you said, not just in theory, but in practice. We had a recent example. I know
that you and I corresponded about where there's interest in developing industrial
parcel affordable housing. And it's a situation where there was a private sale it's
already bought and we could sort of thank you from the table and insist that we're
not going to subsidize any affordable housing on land that was industrial. Questions
arise as to well, this has been on the market and there weren't any industrial buyers.
And so how do either proactively as a matter of policy or when responding to a
specific competing interests site. Further, the goal of preserving industrial right.
Thank you. Council president Baker, members of the City Council.
>> That it's a great question. And so many thoughts about how to approach this.
I got to tell you, we started out this going, you know what, we're going to do and we're
going to work really hard. At the end of the day, we're going to get
an ordinance that says no net loss of industrial I don't necessarily think that's
probably the right answer. But one of the one of the goals here was to create
awareness about this aset we have in the city of Saint Paul and the trend line that we're
on. But for the increase of 54 acres at the Heights with industrial. And we've been on
the trend line that has been decreasing and just rules on land soul and I'll get to more
of this. a couple of the things that that have been beneficial in this study
right, one is is creating awareness of this to our policymakers rate. The city
council to the Port Authority board to the community about what industrial land is and
what it isn't in working with your your staff and PD and you're zoning group and the
people who are going to work on the comp plan understanding in in a future comp plan about
the benefit of industrial. what we have seen so far is that there's actually a call
in the comp plan to increase industrial into. How do we do that? That's what we'll have
to do. Another finding we had here is. own industrial zoning. Doesn't preclude
putting how putting multi-family it. Residential changing things to
residential. Other zonings does eliminate the opportunity for us to actually do
industrial development in certain property. So again, another takeaway to think
about, as we think about what does the future of Saint Paul look like? What does and what
you know when decisions come know and again, the example you're talking
about, it's a difficult that was a difficult one to talk about because when you're
talking about the property, you're talking what you're talking about. A couple acres
right? A couple acres doesn't really help as far as the kind of users were looking at. We
need 10 acre parcels, right. 10 acre per stone exist in Saint Paul. But if there, if
you look at those parcels and then you look at the neighboring parcels, is there
the opportunity for an agency like the Saint Paul Port Authority to to acquire those
properties like we have? 23 or 25 other times in Saint Paul to create 10 acre plots and
Saint Paul. So I guess creating the awareness of what this is and heavy policymakers
know that that this was a great benefit in Saint Paul. As far as our tax burden is as
Precluding arbitrarily precluding, like if you're it like I'm not going rezoned
things because its industrial and I'm not going on at last then you or pain having
somebody pay money to rezone. mean, the pain, the money is a one-time ting. We're talking
about asset that that we need to preserve and build on that if that creates money today,
but also money into the future for property taxes and jobs. And so I think I think without
trying to answer a question that's really hard to in 5 or 10 minutes. I think more to
come. Now. I appreciate that. And I would say I think we would all really hungry for
appreciate policy recommendations, especially if it's not known loss of
industrial. I think we've heard about before, what would those be?
>> I would just say one quick thing that comes to mind as you were speaking was perhaps
if the if industrial land can be used for lower intensity uses. As you're saying, maybe
one midway point is to not rezone industrial land but to allow it to be ued for
another lower intensity uses, keeping the industrial zoning. I'm sure there's lots of
downsides to that. An RPD staff are probably like stop talking right now. But
>> that might be. That might be one way of maybe squaring the circle and not cutting off
that Future. As you both Johnson vice president thing. Thank you, council president
and thank separately for being here today. >> I really appreciated being
able to kind of go through that reminder and I hear you on just the importance of
raising awareness right now around that. I don't necessarily, I guess I've to
for questions, one of them and that this is be sure if you know, off the top of your
head. But it's something that I'd actually be really interested understanding. S
recognize with the slide that just talks about 50% of the industrial land is
developable. Of that 50%. I'm just really curious as to how much is developed. We've had
the county in front of us that has talked to just like how much of our current land is
developed and residential property in residential and some of those stats that think
are really important. But I think it's also important for folks and policymakers to
understand just like. So Vargas or land is developable is develop. And just I want
just kind of what I know to like. What percentage but its currently developed. We have
that. >> all about that due to part of it is.
>> And going forward come on up to the mikes just so we can get for millions of viewers at
home and on YouTube. Yes, I think that that's just going to be really, I think just
getting the full picture of that, you know, from the especially for folks that
maybe don't always look at the industrial and availability every day getting a sense of
the private privately owned by says publicly owned and also utilized and would be really
helpful just tonight. If it's in economic analysis. I oppose having not the full chance to
through that as a separate question I just I'm learning from your experience as well.
And I know that there's a reason why conversation around industrial I I love
opportunities in which we have here at the city of Saint Paul to compete with our regional
partners as well in regional cities. And so I'm just wondering just from the market
and what you're how how to Saint Paul continue to be that place that can see a tense
seek out all of these industry partners, but also way and market of bringing folks to PA
special people were looking to, I don't know, say migrate from Minneapolis come across
of the bright side of the Mississippi River. But, you know, just the people that are
looking, what is the recommendation from ad, especially knowing that we
have suburban pressures as well? >> Council Acre Councilmember
Johnson. One thing I would start with is Saint Paul. We are in place that industrial
developers would like to come and there's a couple reasons for that. One is we have
access to a great workforce in the city of Saint Paul. Right? And we also have great
opportunities for education. We have a great park system its we are. We
and excellent community to live in one of the challenges that we hear you is again, we
are we are by and large are built out city. And industrial developers are looking for
parcels that are larger than what we currently have in our inventory. And so that becomes
a challenge. And this council I know has heard me say many times. We need to be
opportunity ready. The good news is we have somewhat opportunity ready because we
do have a site over at the Kmart site that is going to be a great opportunity and a
great site for an industrial developer. We had 54 acres at the Heights right challenge
now at the height is going to be the first 20 acres is built the next 12 Acres is gonna go
under a purchase agreement. So again, we become limited again to the opportunities. And so
what I would say is, as we think about this and you understand, start to
understand the value i is is really it comes again as Austin, Saint Paul Port
Authority as a partner. What are the next opportunity sites in the city of Saint Paul and
how do we get out ahead of those? And there are a couple that we talked about actually
talked about West track right? So we've hd conversations. Several of us have had
conversations about West track. struck is a great spot. Yes, could be a great spot for
housing, there's going to there's significant challenges on West Truck site for
residential with with things that have happened over the past 100 as a paper mill. But
just having the information knowing that 40 acres is undesirable and it's a great
location with transportation on the highways. All that I have no doubt that that is
opportunity in Saint Paul to create industrial jobs and industrial tax And we've been
in that conversation. We've got properties and opportunities down occurred
out. Dow is on the river. It's it's on the river, bt it doesn't have river access. As
we sit here today. But it is adjacent to Port Authority River tenants in river
properties. And we have been in many conversations that still held by the private
sector. But we are looking forward to the opportunity to be the governmental publicly
between the state, the feds, the county and the city to try and work to try and get jobs
and tax based to get outside again. So it really is. It really is. We have the people.
We have the benefits. We have the amenities that are required. You just need to
make sure that we're having a concentrated effort to acquire and Properties that are big
enough for industrial users to come to. So and again, goes back to opportunity, Ready.
Thank you, Mr. Hurley, given that we have about 4 minutes left in the entire
presentation. I think gonna do is ask my colleagues ask questions and comments wanted
it one after another and then have you do a closing response to So?
>> nice present. the council President Preston, really thank you for the
presentation. It was informative, inspiring as well. And really hopeful about
the future. See Impala specially as we continue to be in partnership with the port.
>> I have just a couple of questions. I'm wondering if we were to maximize the
>> potential in terms of industrial land. That's developable. What do you think
that looks like even like just estimate in terms of the minimum property tax
generation that could bring Saint Paul. And then we've been talking a bit of all AI
data centers. I was curious that that considered light industrial. And coach and then
just rep of your questions and comments and we'll go to get Mine is sort of the summary of
the asks that her cousin. >> really interested in sort of connecting tese questions.
It like, what are all of the parcels that we have? But we actually have that can be
developed, and then heard the great sort of reframing. Then the next filter is what's
maybe, you know, underdeveloped versus underutilized. And then where
opportunity to nutty sites. And I think that will lead to the question. The council vice
president and he's asking is like once you filter through those and the ones that were
sort of like targeting and then gives us more of like an intentional focus on what
parcels have the greatest opportunity. What is a certain tax opportunity that the city
has and then just take a tiny second to say, like the Kmart site is if you look, the only
opportunity for Ward 5 to develop industry Atlanta country to our tax base. And
I'm very committed to being industrial. job springing and like, yeah, turn turn on and
activate that headspace. And I just will continue to reiterate that for my
colleagues when it comes for council. Exactly right. Ali is line. Thanks, Miss Any other
festivals only. >> Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. 2 questions.
One quick, which is just how we're doing look at peer cities regionally or In terms
of how much of our land is invest. So some care. So that and then second is probably
not answerable in the 2. And so we have that that and the point about under developed
industrial. It is super interesting. feels like there's a lot of places more
for that. That would apply westrock obviously being one of them. So if thinking about
kind of policy recommendations moving forward, obviously there's this question what
chair beside me for just early in the city and also really interested in what policies
can be incentivizing the type of industrial development that we want to see. Obviously,
again, lot of us have this conversation of Westrock of. Not all indust industries
created equal. And so how do we get sort of that really, truly tax generating job
creating not harmful to the environment like that high in the sky. Best case scenario.
And really, really just a moment to the policies we could be developing effect.
Alas, questions or comments as we let us really respond to all of those right
unfortunately, we're out of Yeah. >> We have a
>> So. Couple president, major city council members, all of your questions are things that
we are near and dear to the staple Art. And I appreciate the opportunity to actually
come back at another time to talk about some of these things. I know my team here
has taken note on the questions Again, one of the things that I would reiterate
is part of our work plan. really twofold. One to be identifying the next
opportunities for industrial off the industrial to redevelopment opportunities in
the city of Saint Paul. 2 is to actually figure out how we can get those under local
control to b opportunity ready for when that next user calls. Again, I can't
emphasize enough that the competitive advantage we have here in Saint Paul's our
access to work for centre, access to amenities all and it's just some days. It's just
unfortunate that when people call me, we're never going to be able to to look to live or
the 150 acre campus and save all that for an industrial user. But a lot of the calls
were chief development officer is getting are around, you know, medical manufacturing
and things like that create that are All job opportunities and great tax base. So again,
there are there's more to come. It's part of the Saint Paul Port Authority work plan
to do this soul all were on it and I'd love to come back and talk more about it. One thing
I would say I don't know if it was Councilmember Yang, a cult member, Kim, those talking
about it. But as as a city council begins discussions around data centers in Saint
Paul. I'm hopeful that we can have a seat at the table to talk about data centers
because there are pros and cons right to data centers in me. Center's data centers are
going to create some much-needed catch baseball all in some of the properties we
control right now. Those are not the that we have been looking for. A because our
commitment to the community here at K Mark at the height has been not only creating tax
base but also creating quality jobs. And so that bing said, I do think there is
opportunities within limitations to try and create opportunities as parts of
projects or parts of weeks hiring. Best use type analysis, which could actually
bring catch page to places that would never probably bring jobs as part of other
projects. So hopefully we can be part of that conversation. Is a city council deliberates
on that, too. So. >> Thank you so much, Mr. Hurley for passing
presentation. It sounds like we a lot more to come. You have our attention and you
have some very specific questions for follow-up. So we look forward to hearing back
from you either via email or were happy to find time for another presentation to
especially if they're specific policy recommendations that you want to bring forward, Mr.
Green Field, can you make sure to invite Mr? Hurley to the policy session on data centers
which is coming up. Thank you so much. >> Thank Thank you for your
time. And we will have that gently too. Wilson and parts can. Would you like this one
up as ship's staff? Yeah, I don't have anything terribly specific, but essentially
this. >> idea came way of one of my constituents tat it's really
interested in sort of how we connect the great parks and rec systems that we have here
in the cities with some community opportunities like Mobile sinus. There's examples
of few in the states. I want to be very clear, very distinctively different than
sort of what is being considered in Minneapolis. And and so I've got Director
Rodriguez and angelic to come kind of talk about where we've identified opportunities and
where it might sit for consideration if this is something that the council
would be interested in taking on. Essentially call way to potentially recreate and Saint
Paul. So and yell at you There are no slides just for >> Thanks, council. President
council members appreciate the note on just what our park system is today is ash
actually national parks So we ranked number 4 in the country today. So that information was
released where pretty much deadlock with Minneapolis is at number 3 and then DC
remains number one, but they kind of cheat. so maybe we can. one of the things that
makes our park system so great is our ability adapt to trends as you outlined, right? So
there is a strong demand for mobile site is within our system. And we're seeing a lot
of surrounding park agencies adopt new policies and framework to allow those o
Parkland. So we've research that we have a framework for parks to management to manage
it on Parkland. But there is a dsi ordinance kind of consideration that that needs
to occur. So I'm gonna turn it over to. Dan is from Dsi to elaborate further on that. And
then all implementation, >> As Mister Nadella comes up at the risk of seeming like a
sauna neophyte. What is a mobile >> And mobile sauna is for
those that don't know. Great question. Council president is essentially a wheels,
something that can it's not brick and mortar. It's something that can travel from
space to space. Sometimes it shows up on a trailer. They vary in size. You see some of
them and residential backyard more commercial across the Minneapolis Park board has
many. They kind of have a sauna, a village per se one of their on a mobile framework
can travel from space to space. >> Thank you. In just one
follow-up visit typically lke and individual sized summer or multiple people. And is it
just the phone itself or is it also sort of a sauna? Complex where you would like go in and
sign and use this on it's usually just like a sauna not where you're signing in, but
they might have an online platform for reservations and other things. And it will talk
about that piece in the implementation. But it's on. >> Very much meant for like
groups small groups I don't think we would have like an individual based but i would
be more for friends gathering and hanging out in the space for a duration of time. Thank
you. Director comes president good morning and thanks for the update is do a quick
presentation. >> Parks all this fun stuff and then sidewalks and the
Energy Here's a party boat bad at >> So we're very excited, but
really enjoying the partnership with Parks and that's been One of those when
we have a partner like this, we can keep regulations very simple and life because we
know we have a partner that's going effectively manage the property because you'll see
the tractor and therefore, we know it's going to be well. So what we're looking is to
create a new chapter similar to capture for 27, which is basically health clubs and
sports funds. But it would be a mobile sauna. Captor, very simply laying out making sure
we're protecting health and safety and having all the expectations and standards it
the president, he would get the license dsi for each of the individual placements for
the locations and times they would get a permit through the parks department, ideas, the
operational stuff would be done by parks until they would say we're gonna operate here
here here. They would attest to that. They're going to meet the standards as set up
ordinance for their license and then parks would oversee the actual permit we would be
overseeing the operations in transit from a health and safety standpoint. Our idea is
to create a TNC model. So when they on an annual basis, they would be telling us what's
their equipment, house and meet all the standards, whether operations just like
we do for transportation network companies. So they would have high expectations
of basically managing their there's their units as it is. And then from tere, we would
monitor what's nice, but a license if they choose not to provide the health and safety
stuff as opposed to for work with parks in the operational, we couldn't pull the license
away from. So got license is really just to make sure they understand the city of Saint
Paul is serious about it. We are going to have very effective standards but
standards that really reflect the mobile nature of it. And the fact that it's the park
setting way. S fairly straightforward, We're just Make sure Manship Annika
Shafer for the city attorney's office who will be wrking us on the language. She's been
doing a great job working with us some other language, but really trying to make it user
friendly. But making sure we're upholding the health and safety of the residents of
city of Saint Paul. Thank you. president and counsel president.
>> I think you will for the presentation today. This is a topic that hasn't come up my
word for force. I just want to shine getting from lake on the same page at the also. It
sounds like people who own the most honest they'll want to turn it into a business. So
that's why even they would need the licensing just so that we can regulate Is that
correct? And then? Inches up usually have part parks plan can they be out on the public
street to get so wondering if we're setting any sort of regulations that are on that
too. >> Council president council very good question. This is
really a starting. And so we're starting on parks, property and not elsewhere.
The ideas. Let's really try. There's been a I'm the director. Talk about that. The
band that's been out there. The idea is that we have the center out there with mobile.
Sana state would like to utilize that. This would be a great afternoon for Saint Paul
to see how the mobile side as by parks property only but it will be set up that way
strict. >> And just as a public, I was wondering people who own
these, they are interested in turning it into a business. Is that right?
>> Council president council member, yes, a majority of them are. Businesses already
established. Some are trying to get up and running. But some like a mention in
Minneapolis and other suburban cities are already operating that want operate in Saint
Paul. But we have a defined application process and we also have a revenue share.
Agreements are probably 10% of the gross revenue that they generate along with insurance
and and dumb enough occasion requirements, operational rules as it wood-burning
things like that. And then the site placement matters talk about like on the street in
the park. So we want to make sure that on a hard surface or a durable surface, per to make
sure that we're alleviating any concerns. >> A question in Stockton and
also case. >> Thank you, director. dad. I Echo Council very yang
sentiments in the sense that I haven't necessarily heard this to pick my ward either. But I
know that there is Parkland throughout the city. My question for you really just
stems from like what the city is going what we're doing on our into to prepare for it,
sort of liability that would come from that step as well. Like are we carrying? Are you
planning to carry on insurance? we have different policies that are. Different
things that we're placing on these applicants. But just what I hear about that, I just
wonder what we are also going to do in our and to prepare for that. And just to prevent
any sort of liability t ourselves cause president customer. That's a great
Usually for any benders that we work with. We require insurance.
>> 2 within any agreement. So that's about I think at about 1.5 million, if I remember
correctly, 3 million aggregate. So there are insurance requirements assess
any risks with the implementation. That's and that is the vendors
requirement that they >> Okay. So we're required to carry or own.
>> Council president council members at as a city where self-insured so like the
insurance requirements land about for the better. >> I really appreciate
questions doesn't surprise that not a of calls on Here we are. thanks for things for the
consideration, everyone. But I and trees and if you're willing to share, you know
that there's a limited number of sites parks already sort of like identified even as
opportunities. Are you willing to kind of share where those 2 sites might be?
>> Council president council member? actually 3, would be regional park Lilydale
regional Park failing regional park would be of what I would call the 3 pilot locations.
And then just assessing how things operate. And if a drive for expansion or demand in
other words or park specific locations, we can assess those. But there are some site
variables to consider other things. So but we would start in the regional parks. Yeah.
And and just as a quick follow-up, one assumption that I made in this conversation
with that was that there was like a cold funds component. >> And I don't think anyone I
think everyone here knowing what Como Lake is, it's a storm water system. And so
like there's not there's not a Copeland's component. That is like a separate thing. But
like, you know, feeling is an interesting one because they could potentially walk, you
know, into the lake for that component. But yeah, just you know, there's there's 2
potential sites. And can you speak a little bit about the conversation we also had
around staffing who might be responsible for staffing the sauna as well there in
operation. Yeah cuts President Council member of my recollection is correct. And I
may look to Tyler on this. But again, that would be another vendor responsibility in terms
of having staff on site. It wouldn't be a south flat activity per se. They would
have to have someone there to monitor for safety regulations.
>> And >> Thank you for Can I have this image in my mind of talc
led individuals running place and there's parks questions. So I believe the location
matters. Thank you. >> Thank you. Council director I have 3 questions. One
because have you been considering where have you been hearing from vendors
interest in? >> A mobile center near Highland Park or Highland Pool
in that area. And then second question. >> Is I know we're in the very
early stages of this were talking about vendors. But has there been any discussion
parks or the city owning and operating a mobile sauna. And then last question, are there
any sign in parks buildings right now? I'm only aware of the one at Oxford.
>> Call to President council Highland hs been talked about nothing to find yet, but with
the pool and the city and just a large amount of space over there, it can definitely be a
bit hunter, potential future location, specific to existing saunas. Yes, Oxford is only
indoor sauna that we have within our system. And for the question on owning and
operating our own, we have not had that w have a game truck and other things right Take a
lot of resources. I don't think we at mobile site and to our fleet, unfortunately, but
might rely on the vendors for that. >> Just one quick
>> The >> 10% revenue share is that standard seems low. Council
president council members other for to Tyler on that. speak to the revenue revenue
share. Peace telling McKean is a supervisor within our shop that oversees all of our
agreements throughout the department. We have 100 and >> 50 ish. So. And put another
way. What's the demand? >> Yeah, thank you, director. I agree is and council
president council members 10% revenue share is kind of the standard that we go after in
agreements with for profit operators on Parkland. >> That can vary once we get
into negotiations and you know what we're ultimately trying to do is come up with a
relationship that's going to be successful for all parties. So we give ourselves some
wiggle room there, but 10% revenue share of gross revenue is what we tried to start with
with all for-profit operations. >> Thank you. I would just say
I think it's important especially for something like this where as you're hearing,
not necessarily a ton of demand, perhaps from constituents at the moment,
maybe more from the vendors. I think it would be important for us to be competitive with
the rates. The percent revenue share that those vendors are pained. Other municipality is
not necessarily with their percentages for other operators of other things.
>> call to President councilmember to just to add to that, like we we have hard
from residents just throughout Saint Paul of like why like a Minneapolis to this and others
can. Why do you have this in our park? So it's not just offenders, but has been
inquiry over time from residents about these types of amenities and in general just
broaden the scope. But how do we get more vendors in our parks for different things,
right, whether it's mobile sauna bike rental operation and things like that is
something that looking at holistically across our original park system from
revenue generation standpoint, activation for Houston, just making sure that we're keeping
up with trends that we're seeing another location. Thank Miss Coleman.
>> Thank you. super stoked about this. least one port for president really wants the
This is really just asked a question. Do you all have any sense of like what will take
in Minneapolis? How accessible is this thinking about, you know, that?
>> The average person's can be able to join in that. On a weekly basis or is this like
$100 per session? really have no sense of what that look like.
>> Council president council members, Im definitely not $100 per session. I think if
you want private exclusive exclusive use for a couple hours to ration, you might be
getting into that her territory. But I think they usually reticent about 30 till
one-hour blocks it's very reasonable price. We could follow up with some breakdowns
vendors and what we've seen across the metro. >> Let's see if things turn
green as a sauna to see a second speaking a little going to talk. Hopkins jointly
operates on pH. And that is $25 for an individual session that those 90 minutes or
reserve it for a $250 to get up to 12 people as part of that reservations. So there's
like a block element. And then the one that I believe Director Rodriguez referring
to, Apple says that get are worth this part of trailhead there with the cross-country
skiing. And so that is I think the 6.12, sauna cooperated that operates, that like. I
think a couple years ago. But a 90 minute sessions like 50 to $60. And that was like part
of a public booking. But it had a lot more amenities like the changing room at the at
the trip and that type of thing. So it's a little more expensive.
>> We have a subject matter fishing to say I 3 say progress and I think that's a
really great question point because like should this? >> If there's interest, I
would like to move forward but more so as an opportunity, see if it's a good thing for the
city. And if it turns out like this is something that is like, you know, expands our
part resources draws people in space. That's when we can kind of talk more about the
different amenities that we could connect potentially too. >> mobile sites?
>> Because of the ones that you're talking about, 10 also mobile or they see and they
like stationary, the one at Hawkins, a stationary, but it's it's winter. So it runs
from late November to March and they cut a hole in the lake. And then the one I
believe that worth as mobile. But like they because to cooperate, if they can go to
different locations, heard of other vendors like Director Rodriguez talk. so also a
former council president that inquires everyone swallow. Yes, she She does. She was the
foreign terrorists U.S. hitting. So I think kind of given the interest of the
people, I think I'm going to move forward staff to potentially identify some
proposals, seeing nods and we'll kind of brings and graphs that to my colleagues
and kind of see where the interests was. Really appreciate the time present EU
Council president. I want to say thank you council Rick him for putting this topic to our
policy committee. I know you talked about the club plans maybe remember that earlier
this year when he went to Chicago. I did go to my first ever mobile site and there's
the cold plunge came under. What? What lake? It was that. But it was really fun. And it
was a great way for people to go to that park and just get introduced to it. So I think
this is a great way for us to get more people to come to our parks and then also drive up
entrepreneurship, inner city to sell. It's very exciting and very supportive of it
looking forward hopefully getting the stuff the cuncil again.
>> Some council vice president council president council members also just noting we're
focusing on mobile saunas on land. But there are mobile sinus on the river and other
things. So like, I don't know if that's in our future right now. But right now our focus
is on the ground, but just want to call that out as well. >> Thanks, thanks. As
president, I will be enthusiasm even didn't seem like it earlier. I do think
this would be a very opportunity. I will say also for millions of YouTube
subscribers home are listening to this part of the purpose of policy committee is to
daylight issues that we are considering. And so if you've heard this discussion today
and you're excited almost an hour, not excited. Are you somewhere between just some
ideas? Are you know how much they cost in other jurisdictions you let us know
because it's helpful to get that feedback as this came in as we you know, considering
bringing this forward. I do just want to hammer home the fact that I want to make sure
that we are getting ready share that fully covers her costs in this competitive with
other jurisdictions. I know you Mr. Person put in a ton of time in these negotiations and
that staff time is valuable. And so I just want to make sure that it is both great
residents and also a good deal for us. Any final comments on the topic? Okay. Thanks much.
Appreciate And looks like we will be seeing something coming for for more 5, thanks
for your leadership. >> With that, we have one last the breaking item. I think
it's going to be lot of interest to all of us, which is Iran, a special legislative
update for hard-working intergovernmental relations director.
>> Thank you. Look like you've got some sleep maybe in the last 48 hours you look fresh.
Thanks, Madam Chair. Actually, it's great to be with you this morning. Hi, everybody. And
thanks to him for helping me out here. >> This too, is a breaking
slide deck right? Jennifer Rourke and the director of government relations here at
the city. And I've always found that doing a legislative update for the client right
after session. Kind of makes for the sharing mre late breaking things with you as
opposed to finding out. >> From others gives us a chance to dialogue that I can
only follow-up the details for you later. So really, the purpose of today is just to
explain. >> You know, explain the lst couple of months. Talk about
where and how we landed on a number of key topics that in the platform that all passed
on February. 11th. >> I did not provide copies of that today. I can for sure.
Send it around. Later it was about think a 5 page document I used to quite a bit to go
back and forth because we didn't quite a bit of policy in projects in that I at You
know, looking back, we picked up and ran with really quickly. I started on February
2nd and then session started on Fbruary. 11th. >> February. I-70 and in
between February, 11th, council passed a >> So I'm going go through
kind of system highlights and the lay of the land feel free to stop me any time for
questions. Session did time. Oftentimes they do go into special session usually in the
second year, Biennium like this one they do end on time. The final camels were around
midnight on Sunday. Well, Monday was the last technical day of session. They can't
pass bills on that final day. The second year biennium. So they usually say that for
retirement speeches and whatnot. The retirements from about 46 legislators a good
chunk of those are moving on not coming back retiring for their time in the legislator
Legislature. There are those who are going on for a different office be moving
over are hoping to move over into the Senate. I was able to listen to a lot of speeches on
the House side. >> On Monday. And if you're into that kind of thing, Id
be glad to circulate a link to that there are quite a few and >> Kind of sweet. I listen
Senator Pappas is for the last image. And as you might guess, gets a little emotional for
some people when they're doing that. Bt she ended with the phrase about encouraging her
colleagues to work on democracy. And I just thought that was really poignant. And
the times that we're in right now. >> It ws a year for a lot of
election year. Politics. There are lots references to certain people not wanting to move
forward certain provisions because they wanted to wait until next year thinking that
they be in a situation where they it did not have a tie in the house and a majority of
one in the Senate. But we saw that play out quite a bit. one thing that does kind flow with
election year politics is just the bonding bill. And I'll get to more of that in my next
slide. But I always felt like there would be a bonding bill. And it was that that I'm
always an optimistic person, but it was very much a kind of glass half full in terms of
this legislative session, just like with enough people like Senator Pappas, the governor
and ohers are retiring or not coming back. That whole lot of people would want to get a tax
bill done. It would want to get a binding deal done and there might be support certain
key projects. found a bullet on this page just really kind of highlights. Some of the
dynamics are going on within the delegation. You all work with the delegation a lot your
community work and whatnot. But, you know, we had a new member for the public in this
listening listeners at home. We did have a new member with Representative Maggard, you're
neck alike. She filled the seat vacated by near her replica. Nikolaj ended up on
some committees that we don't necessarily have any say. Paul folks, which may be pretty
happy to those being, I think the Energy Committee and definitely the Transportation
committee where we haven't had anyone in the past. >> Excuse me in this biennium.
Majority leader Erin Murphy, of course, is Saint Paul You know, she was a key part of
everything. And I know he's just for my own social media. They're already hit. The
campaign trail are ready. >> With new recruits and whatnot for various seats
going. Senator Pappas funding chair. That'll be a big deal for us. I think we'll wait and
see how that shakes out. And then, of review. So who is the delegation chair pres? They
got not running again. And hoping to move on as well. So what do we get? So that's
always the question. The question that maybe not the best question from vice
president to council president thank you for the presentation. I've been
looking forward to that and I really appreciate you coming to us right after the session.
>> 46 legislature seems like high number one during his common for us to see that
number. But amount of legislators retiring happened at the end of their term
councilmember eating. Thank you for that question. kind of fascinated by.
>> All o 4 is high. You know, that's 201 legislators. That's 20%. I think not coming
back. 40%. Anyway. I think it's 20% not coming back to their seat. Right? And So
that's pretty high. I think just politics being what it is and several long timers just
thinking it's time to hang it up you know, that was a big chunk of it. So thank you.
starting with the bonding slide just because that was a big focus. I know for all of
it always is for cities and it always is for local governments. I think when you
add up because these rough numbers at the base, all o these are exceptional Latino
museum. Maybe all of these are in our platform as items that you either work. Yu know,
we're strong priorities over support items this is petty incredible. Dollar wise ice,
press release from Minneapolis that just had a lower number than 81 point. I-95 Million.
You know, it could have been bigger. Some of you are involved in really helpful.
I'm a utilities bill that we advanced late in session. But the price tag on that was in
the neighborhood of around 80 Million. >> Is what we drafted the bill
for. So 13 may not seem like very much, but it really is. I think conjunction with
everything. Do I know you can see at meter reader? This are not necessarily okay.
>> We just some questions that to stick with what I just want to lift up the big cats and
not because it is 45, but because that was the same appropriation that the
Minnesota Zoo also received for their general for a job on. They did get some, I
think, like. General operating money in a funny money. it's just a name like that. We were
like right on track with the Minnesota State Zoo. And so this is a huge win. Not just
to get some money for the project, but trend with the other state
>> thanks for putting that Any Rodriguez actually pointed that out to me yesterday when
we were going through a few things. This is a slight bit more. There appropriation is
was 9. I don't know what their original asked I think our original ask for the come was
it was around 20 or 25. So. You know, it's always hard take smaller amount, this is
very good compared a lot of other and cities around the states.
>> Question 2 questions. One, the money for west utilities is huge. 13 Million. I know we
need. >> 80 right So wondering, did we go to the state for a team?
We got 13 or 2 to go for last. I'm just wondering where that is where that falls out. It
only went 4 and then the 2.5 million extension of the bonding funds for the same
time. Plus a playground Councilmember Justin ayer both really interested seeing that
project. Move forward. Does that? Get them make the money available? Despite the lawsuit
or does that just extend the bonding so that at the time when we can? Potentially use
that we can and wondering what the impact of that is on the actual project right?
>> I'll start with the first question. I think it's often the strategy, 4 entities to
ask for a bigger amount and know you're going to get a smaller amount. And that's
where there's a lot of back and forth between the subject. Experts like.
>> New Director Dan Barber and a child Kershaw was super key. And that's there's a lot of
back and forth. Senator Pappas is office in particular. I've just to get more detail on
what all that You know, perfect world for. For any of us. We would just get general
fund dollars in cash from the state. She'll bonds is really like using the state's credit
or the state like I think it is the state's credit card. So there's a lot of hoops to jump
through role and plans to show and the all the things >> Sean was incredibly helpful
with a lot of that back and forth. We had told them that it was we were able to phase
this in phase his life in the freezing we use when we know the you can't get all of it
from the state. So. I think we left them with the impression we probably be back. Obviously
that's for future platforms. But I'm that's the answer to that question with simple,
inclusive playground language. To be honest, this is this is a little bit of a surprise as
I was reading through funding bill Sunday afternoon. This is I think this Senator Pappas is
reaction to the lawsuit and making sure that we just have more time to spend that. So
it's not necessarily new money. You could subtracted from the 81 if you wanted to.
But it just give staff more time to spend? I think it's out till 2028 to 2029. So that
might not be a full answer to your question council president. But I know city
attorney's office and Parks Department are working through next steps in terms of the
common cent any other questions? Other partners, priorities and statewide
funding. I just wanted to identify other items in that bill that I think, you know,
they were either same Centre and our partners of ours or our statewide funding. That
will have to delve into more of the details because we may be able to apply for it. There
were some was money for a es. I homes in Saint Paul Roseville and another one or 2
cities around the metro area. Emergency shelter, Capital grants funding. I'm pretty
familiar with from my time at the county. But this is homelessness. run through. I
think DHS or Minnesota housing. But that's traditionally I think then
trick counties and nonprofits to apply for. The statewide lead line replacement funding.
This is a statewide program. Saint Paul Water was pretty active in testifying on this.
Rick Allen particular this was sort of this is maybe the big disappointment if there were
any and there always But this is a big disappointment they were asking for, you know, it
was either 200 or 100 both really big numbers for a statewide program and
expecting to get it for the most part, I think on Friday, one is talking to one of our
Labor friends. They thought they had 80 or 90 million dollars in the is just a good
example of there's a lot of competing interests and they ended up with 15. I think I
think say Paul needs about 20%. they were looking at but 20 million for the city when
it was around 100 million dollars. So this is a disappointment. I know the be
back next year and it's also an example of the complicated is not perfect for when trying
to do private home lead line replacement. You need either cash or appropriation bonds to
do that. So again, a lot of disappointment in this And when you know where we had a
lot of partners with labor and cities around the state. So I'm sure that will lend be 1,
1, including our next half The next one is happy spot Metropolitan Parks. We have a
Metropolitan Parks coalition that meets every Monday morning, either virtually or
or in person at the Capitol. It is all the other, a 10 or 11 and implementing We've
always asked for 10 or 15 billion in bonding and that's money that comes to the
Met Council. It's for your project and facilities as posed to operating moneys. I
gotta think this might have been like a Senator Pappas gift because she's always been
the chief author on this. That's always been a relatively small amount. to
get 10 million dollars this year is a big deal. There's 1 million general fund for the
Heights. I think that's a part project there. this one PCA was almost 11 million
statewide for capital assistance There's 1.5 9 identified in there for a
Saint Paul project. This was also a little bit of a surprise. I think it came up
through the governor's recommendations us. You know, that came out in January and
earlier this session. So we'll be able to find somewhere else. And that. And then
finally this one I do if you're hearing about it, it certainly got a lot of press
newspaper, but the human waste situation showing up at the Rmu for Ramsey and Washington
counties. Our former then Commissioner Tristen Martin son is now the executive
director out there and did get couple of different recycling and energy projects. They've
been looking for federal in state funding on, they get quite a bit of media attention
on some of hospital waste showing up in the trash out there. So they fought this but
ultimately got a study of this problem that was in the cash funding Any questions on any
of think we're 6 minutes to make me show you get sides in the
>> You all know a lot of the work happens and I'm nervous bills for their smaller asks.
They put him into one. >> Some of the things that we were tracking non-fatal
shooting clearance program that our police department and Ramsey County and other
partners have gotten a lot of attention. we're hoping for more on that because i's only
905,004, I think statewide police departments that want to step into this space. We
made sure there was language that Saint Paul would still be eligible for this so that we
would penalize the good work. The mayor was testified a couple of times on that
family, homelessness prevention assistance is gotten money with 40 Million.
That's kind of a big deal on the budget and the 9 budget year. One time property tax
relief was in the >> tax bill for me when I hear property tax relief, I always
go to LGA. >> And I know a lot of the year due to this is this is
more one of those programs people will need to apply for. So make sure your ofices have
right wording and whatnot for newsletters and such because big part of getting the word
out in that and people do need to apply. >> technically going to be a
new state park at the Capitol. They're doing a lot of work around that given the new
building and what not, but it will be them. Listen, Mark Portman, Memorial State Park,
they did do some work for themselves of Capitol security funding and your policies are
some changes to the under pension Bill. >> the CA Maryland Avenue
fencing issue. Some of you might remember that. I think from previous they were
interested in getting language in the bill and they were successful to have. I don't
use the word bypass, able to have the fence they want at the BCA and at the address and
then in the legacy, Bill, this is a good one. There's quite a bit parks. There's quite a bit
a new money in there for additional money. And 2, will have to apply for, but I'll
make sure we work with parks to do that. Mayor, her was and I were visiting with
Republican legislators late on Sunday night and they were pointing out that there was a
lot of money in there and they hope that same wide for it. So this.
>> On all, just leave this one out here. There's a lot of detail You know, the half-cent
sales tax extension. We were not able to get that out of the House Chair. Gomez feels
pretty strongly about local option sales taxes. >> This is a key part of the
city's funding for the changes, whatever at the arena in right Wilkins. So tere's
going to be we're going sort through that. >> There wre the star.
dramatic changes, did not get done. So I think that gives us a chance as the city some of
you have a real interest in that, too. Go through and make sure we don't want additional
changes for the star program. Nothing moved ahead in terms of Operation Metro Surge Bills
other some great testimony. And folks telling their story at the Capitol.
>> There are few one here that I think we're going to be able to move or try to move through
either the League of Minnesota Cities or the Metro Cities. Policy summer. I know I'll be
attending that and we'll follow up step. See maybe want to have more of you involved
in some of that work. ultimately were not any policy changes or come credits done
for downtown redevelopment You know, stop right there. answer any questions. Time processing
with plan is just. Thank you. Council thank us I also a little bit, too. I mean,
there's some things I'm happy to see and some >> Disappointed about. I just
want uplift you know, the importance of the bonding bill and investing in our statewide
infrastructure. Many of you know, I'm engineer and I'm part of the American Society
of Civil Engineers. And we shared our. Infrastructure grades a few weeks in the
state is getting a C and so I'm happy to share copies of that I can share with with all
of you haven't had a chance to bring those in House online. But, you know, there are some
winds here, but I'm also really, really disappointed about you know, the task for
lead water replacement and just the importance access to clean water for everyone our
city in our state is so important. I'm so happy to see. You know, a lot of the
investments in our city and then some of the statewide investments and our roads and
transportation. But still a lot more work to do and just want to thank thank you for
all of your efforts. As you jumped into this at the beginning of the year and also
understand there's a sea a lot more work to still do for the next Thank you. Thanks. Mrs.
>> Yeah, sorry. And just add that I also really appreciate the work that was done the
Capitol. Like we didn't get everything. We got some unexpected things. I was there
this weekend. It was there not as long as our IG our director, but certainly late
into the evening and saw I think just a really incredible partnership between you and
the mayor and the way that you are rallying our Saint Paul delegation.
>> Even in the 11th hour to push for more things for the city. so even from, you know,
sometimes an insider looking in. I just want to commend the fact that like I saw you and
the mayor speaking to everyone rallying our delegation, working still in the 11th hour
to get wins for Saint Paul. And so certainly not without I think credible work advocacy
and like just very Smart's lobbying by air part. So I just also want to commend the
work that was done and just like, you know, copying and the right place. But you were
there until midnight. And as was I and you were there and even later. So just really
appreciate the time and attention. You've given the moving our priorities in the
legislature this year. >> Yeah, I would echo the thanks to you, sir, are
especially given that the short time frame with what you had to prepare for a very
active session. I think my greatest disappointments are just related to some of the
things that we continue to go back for the downtown investments that are so common
sense that should be bipartisan that are so desperately needed. This our
3rd year, I believe in a row. Coming back 0 on that. And that's just incredibly
disappointing from our representatives. The faculty can't get basic gun violence
across the finish line that that's the most partisan issues. But having testified
in front of Judiciary Committee and seeing the seeing the way that that was
responded to in the way that this has become a partisan issue. That's about anything.
But public safety is really disappointing. And then the metro surge, kind of fell
after fail there. So I just seeing the site is particularly frustrating. So
I'm grateful for all the work that happened. I'm very grateful for the investments.
But its there's a lot of work to do. And I don't feel like the city was particularly
supported in the session. We haven't even talked about algae. Either more sides. I
think we're close Come back. Another time. >> Where that may be the most
keeping on here is you know, will kick off some sort of platform development later
this summer. I'd like to involve you in your offices in that.
>> work with >> or city council staff to set up some sort of process of
people understand it all and >> you hopefully have a platform ready to go when, you
know, right around early November would be my call. >> Thank you so much. Really
appreciate it. And final questions or at the day ahead of us. So thank you so much
for the time. The ? Yes, yes.