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Temple City Council Policy Committee to Order Roll Call, Please.

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>> Councilmember Bowie. Council, president maker Councilor Johst Councilmember

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Coleman Councilmember Ken as a vice president being here. Councilman Johnson. Seeing 5

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present to absent. Councilmember Bowie is excuse for the first 30 minutes of

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the meeting. And we have 3 items our agenda today. >> And the first we're really

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excited to welcome the Port Authority. I think Mr. OK? tag team effort to present on the

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part death Port Authority's industrial and study. This is something I know all of us

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have expressed a lot of interest. And as we talk about extending a tax base, which is

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a parody for this whole council and the timing couldn't be better as we

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approach budget season. So why not? And we have a innovation at the council, which is a

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timer. For presentations. So we're going to set it for 45 minutes and it will. some

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point and kind app that you can, >> Wonderful. good morning and

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thanks for having us here today. I'm I'm senior vice president of communications

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and external affairs at the Port Authority. We are very excited to be here today to

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walk through our findings of the industrial and study that we commissioned last year. We

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work with the North's Pan who is a agency who works in the Upper Midwest and Economic

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development. And we wanted to make sure that this was something that would

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>> be able to paint a pretty picture of Allison has industrial and different from

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prior studies we've done at the Port Authority. This looks at all of the industry as a

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man intent not just our business owners to the port. >> When we kind of put this

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study together, we met key stakeholders to walk to the study and we also have a lot

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of presentations planned in communities. Our district councils and others. That

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being said, if you see this presentation today and you think their community groups

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of folks who think would be interested in this information, please reach out

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to me. I would love to get an encounter. Is we really want to make sure we're sharing

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this with folks making sure this information is really considered in land use

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decisions and that community members understand kind of the data and facts behind investor

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an unsafe. With that, I'll turn it over to our president had Hurley who's going to walk

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through the findings of our >> Good morning. Thank you, Ashley Council, president

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Nneka members of the City Council. My name is Todd Gurley and the president and

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CEO of the Saint Paul Port Authority. I have with me today here also Mike Solomon,

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who is the chief financial officer of the Port Authority in Christine Williams, who is

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our chief development officer and again, reasons for having them here is this study at the

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Saint. Paul Port Authority has really been an all hands on deck.

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>> There are there are conversations we have across our organization around the

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development and Saint Paul are on the financing in Saint Paul, interim communications

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and outreach in Saint Paul. And so I thought to be appropriate to have my

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leadership team here who have all partaking in this So again, thank you for your for

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the time to be here. I don't know where the timers, but I'm sure hope Ogden within 30

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here. It's it's here Okay. I don't know if there's could be like line down the block. sole

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up in front of you is really the title page of this. But one of the things that all

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start this with is is is as Ashley talked about, we have working on this for the past

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year. And we've and this has been out in community and out in certain places already

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called president, a Kurd had the opportunity to talk with coach President Acre about

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this, which is how we got the opportunity to come to the policy session here. It would

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be great to be here earlier, but as timing went the 20th of May was the first time we

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could get out here. So I appreciate being here. Also Councilmember, Yank

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Commissioner Yang at the Port Authority Commissioner Johnson. They also did see a

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preview, a different version of this presentation. So some of this none of this is really

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going to to certain people. But I hope that it is actually informational for the council.

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And again, looking to have a conversation as we go through this because there could be a

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lot of questions and I'm more than willing to take questions. And I my team who

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can also help with anything that being said. The steeple port authority, a very high

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level. Our mission at the Saint Paul Prt Authority is really around expanding the

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city's tax One of the things we do is we clean up contaminated land we look to

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create quality jobs in the city of Saint Paul. >> While advancing sustainable

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and equitable development will also be in a fierce advocate for the working So that's the

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same port authority really has our mission. get you know what, what is this study? So

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really in this study, we are really trying to dig deep into what is the real value of

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industrial land in a in the municipality in a city like the city of Saint Paul. So

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what we did is we really used data provide information to inform the study on the value

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of industrial and in Saint Paul. We aso wanted to use this study to update the what

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I would call the all outdated perception of what what is industrial and what is What is

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it? Industrial user in Saint Paul? And so we'll get into some of

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that in this study. Aain. And then using data talk about a tax revenues generated within

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industrial properties in Saint Paul. what does that mean with the cost of city services

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that are consumed by industrial and users in Saint Paul? Why now? One of this was

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a has been part of our work plan. And why now really is is really kind of well written

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down in this slide. We're sitting here in Saint Paul and we've got several conversion

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pressures in Saint Paul. And I know all of as council members are hearing about these. But

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right now we're experiencing a slow, a slowing in our tax base were also experiencing

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rising taxes. I just did this presentation early May or late April and property tax

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statements went out and people were concerned about property taxes. And so one of the

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things that I think we can find out find from this is that industrial and does

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provide a great way to generate property taxes in the city. Other things that we we

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we know our land is limited, especially industrial. And and I've got maps she figures in

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this study that talked about the limitations and the scarcity of industrial land in

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Saint Paul. And as you we've been working hard and the downtown and the downtown is

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in flux. But I do think we're in an opportunity as work through the issues in downtown

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all again, all very kind issues in Saint Paul. So the time is right to understand

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really the benefits of industry no word. What we'll talk about. How do we balance

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plan pressures? I mean, there are there are people there are we know that there is a

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housing need and Saint Paul, but we also know that there is a property even so how do we

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keep diversity in our in our land to create opportunities for tax base. One of the

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questions that came up and so will our presentations is when you talk about industrial and

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you talk about industrial uses, what are those types of uses? And so this slide is

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actually a new slide in the presentation as couple weeks ago. again, I won't read all

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of these, but just for informational purposes, we want to the list. The types of

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uses that that can happen and do happen in Sint Paul in industrial zone landed. So,

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you know, you can start at a very high level. You've got manufacturing and you've got

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construction. But you go down the list to move. Got transportation and

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warehousing. We've got commercial industrial machinery, rental and leasing.

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We've got women in uniform supply companies and Saint Paul appliance repairs and

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maintenance Trump, utilities Lisi waste management and telecommunication. So there

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are a lot of use industrial land tat that out that actually, you know, tey're

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here, they're in our neighborhoods different create opportunities for jobs in the

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U.S. provide great opportunities to catch bass again. Use this just to really

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what the types industries we had in Saint Paul. So the nature of industrial land in

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the city of Saint Paul, really, these are these are some of the findings that we

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we we someone knew but also learned as we did this study and really for findings in the

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city of Saint Paul expand a little bit on each of these number one is that industrial

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land in Saint Paul is limited. It is a finite resource. And again, we'll see and hear. It

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is actually Jude geographically concentrated and is geographically

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concentrated around. Really. We're transportation corridors, accused highways

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rails in the river. that's number 2. And number 3, one of the findings we have 2 is once

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once land is converted away from industrial is really difficult to replace.

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difficult to rezone property in Saint Paul from one used to industrial. But we have found

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in the past that land that has been industrial has has had a track record of being

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converted into other uses. The Ford site is a great example. We're not saying that what

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happened at Fort is wrong by any means. But 125 acres at Ford was industrial and was

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converted to a great, a great neighbor, done a great community But one of the

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things we also found is that when you think about the Hillcrest Golf course, right,

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that the Port Authority has been redeveloping. The opportunity there. that's the

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first time in our history that we are actually able to convert land from a golf

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course to 54 Eagles converted and light industry which is going to create a lot of

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property taxes and a lot of jobs and actually works well in the neighborhood because

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it's also adjacent to one a 1000 housing units in Saint Paul. And we'll

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talk a little bit about that. Another finding, which is a bit of an aha moment for us.

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And I have a map that will show this is that. the land in Saint Paul that is on

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industrial. Half of that is actually not developable. And I'll get into that a little

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bit more in future maps. So this map talking about so again, a slide in this

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presentation. And I think councilmember maker, this is actually hit a question. You

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had for us is, you know, what it a map of the city of Saint Paul? Where is the land is

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zoned industrial. So you can see on this map here that. This is this This is the land

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is on the industry through the same party can see it follows transportation corridors and

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it follows a river in the airport. All but one of the points that we make here is of

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this 50%, only half of that is developable. So a couple reasons for that. One is when

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you look at the the larger area that pig's That's pig's Eye Lake that is not going to

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be developed, although even though it's zoned industrial, in addition to that others

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vacant parcels that are down by them up to the Metropolitan Council, Environmental

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Services down on the bottom of the page. then a lot of the real world corridors here are

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not there. That won't be able to be developed. So when you think about this, just this in

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the city as a whole, this area just the start. Blue areas represent geographically 12%

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of the city. But only half of that is developable. So only 6%

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geographically of the city is actually developable for additional or to maintain

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industrial properties in Saint Paul and just to pass the director for second. That's

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>> good news from the port perspective, I would assume and that that means that the

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development pressure only applies to half of the industrial and that we're

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talking up. >> So we get again. So I want to pause there for one second

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just for the city council to actually, you know, when you see this mp here again, this

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is that this is the the property we're talking about again, 12% geographically is

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Jones industrial. Only 6% or half of that is actually has the opportunity to be either

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maintain or redeveloped and Saint Paul, unless we can figure out how to convert

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other lands in Saint Paul. So when we get into the actual findings of the report, which

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are going to be the next few really kind of categorized into kind of 3 areas. One is

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discussion around industrial land in Saint Paul ad how it can be how it is in can be an

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economic engine for the city of Saint Paul. Secondly, how you can actually serve as the

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backbone of our tax base in the city of Saint Paul. And then thirdly, the benefits of

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industrial land as it is there, there are benefits within the neighborhoods right

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around the benefits of the jobs that are created and the benefits of jobs what we found

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in here, too. And I'll talk about this is that these jobs are actually work from work

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there in person. And that is something we discovered as we went through the pandemic and

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started tinking about remote work and what that does in your community and what that

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to to the ripple effect of the economics of the neighborhood. When people are working remote

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showing up, coming to work every day. So the first the first finding again, is around

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the economic engine. And these are just some stats that we found to be really

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interesting. When we talk about the industry so inland in Saint Paul and what the

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economics are of that. So you can see on this slide. The industrial. And it's a

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Paul provides about 31,000 jobs or supports 31,000 jobs in the city. And that's a

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pretty large number. I don't know, actually. Do we percent of what that is of all of the

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jobs? We have that number of one point. And I can 5 follow-up, but I

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wanted to make sure that as a percent, it's not a small percent of the jobs. And Saint

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Paul. Again, 2.8 billion dollars in income. industrial land in Saint Paul. A direct

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economic output of over 9 billion dollars and then annual tax patch contributions

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of over a billion dollars. And those are those are sales taxes or state, local and

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federal taxes generated in Saint Paul. But over a billion dollars for

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mental sure. And check all. Again industrial activity powers to Saint Paul. It can

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Canada's power, the the city of Saint Paul, a second finding in a report is that

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industrial land can serve as the backbone of our tax base in Saint Paul. And there's a

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couple reasons why we say that. get ito sme stats here and these are stats that I-5

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phone, very meaningful as as bad as a backbone here. One is I talked about the geographic

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area in Saint Paul. But here when you talk about the parcels in Saint Paul, so

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1.9%. All of the city of Saint Paul are parcels that are industrial zone that generates

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almost 10% of the property taxes in the city of Saint Paul. Again. Tinking about

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again, we talk about 2% and then you talk about 10%, you losing any of that is is

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something that we just need to be concerned with. As as we look at industrial Saint Paul

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and on the opposite side of there's opportunities to create industrial land. And I

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know that the comp study that's coming out here does talk about potential for the

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opportunities to increase pedestrian land. It's just a meaningful part of Saint Pul

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that helps our property tax base. Another slide here that we talked about and I talked

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about this is that. Industrial land in the city of Saint Paul's actually a net

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contributor to the tax base and what that means in this slide is and we did take the

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city's budget into consideration and we looked at property taxes generated in

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industrial land in Saint Paul and we looked at services consumed by industrial land in

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Saint Paul and mathematically one dollar of services consumed by industrial land in

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Saint Paul actually generates a $1.80 in property taxes. What that means is that

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industrial intersection, that patch contributor to the city to the city of Saint Paul

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other uses and safe. So it benefits other uses in the city of Saint Paul. It

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actually can serve as a benefit. When we talk about affordable housing in Saint

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Paul, it can be a benefit. When we talk about planned. That is huge for our colleges

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and universities in our hospitals. It also benefits land. Parkland in Saint Paul

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right. All of those uses are important. And we're not saying that they're not

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important, but what we're saying is and what the study says is that and actually

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helps offset the cost of services that those those properties that are necessary

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in Saint Paul actually consume. Mathematically through tax formulas

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industrial land generates $14,000. More. In property taxes. Then then that a

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residential piece of property that 14 per $14,000 more per acres actually of 6.61% more

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in property taxes are generated. And industrial. And again, a number that is just

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number that is good to know because again, it that's a function of catch cpacity

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rates. And what happens in industrial land. again, just kind of in Samaria to just

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real and can be and is a net positive land use in the city of Saint Paul.

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We have a question from the side. >> Just a question of the 1.8%

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of parcels to make understanding of That's within the 6% of land. That is dust

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trail that can be developed. missing here. Most productive 3rd of that is that?

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>> Correct? council president make a councilmember Coleman. yet. So let me up the we talk

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about geographically the 6%. Let's see by acreage 6% is developable industrial. And

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then we talk about parcels that are developing through the entire city of Saint Paul.

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And 1.9% of parcels that are industrial in the city of Saint Paul generate 9.3% of

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the property taxes in Saint Paul. So 2 different ways of looking at the benefit that

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but industrial and can provide in a city like the city of Saint Paul to some extent.

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Yes, okay. >> To follow up because I don't think I'm completely

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clear. Does that mean that? 1.9% of all of the parcels in Saint Paul that are that have

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something on them. Our industry. Like is this all the industrial parcels that that

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is? Yes, because president a Kurd, the 1.9% parcels are industrial. They are the

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industrial properties that are actually generating property taxes in Saint Paul.

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>> One of the other findings that I talked about and I'm just going to went on so I can

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make I wanted in this slide here. When we talk about productive industrial performs

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other lands in Saint Paul. Oe of the things that I wanted to add, this is more of real-life

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what we're experiencing here now in Saint Paul, things that the Port Authority is working

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on. What we talk about the performance jobs and tax base. So so we are currently in the

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middle of 3 projects. We industrial projects in Saint Paul. 1, one of them right

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now. It was at the height I didn't know the council's familiar with this, but the

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Excel property. That is being actually finishing as we speak up at the Heights. So

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again, former golf course and should say that when the Port Authority acquired the golf

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course, property taxes generated on that golf course with less than $500,000. And

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there were no jobs on that on that site. And so we talked about the performance of

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industrial land. 54 Acres was reserved was rezoned a new industrial. Our first tenant

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moving in as we speak is Xcel Energy. 339,000 Square feet. building.

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160 million dollars is what we believe that the and value will be generate and that

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that's going generate north of a million dollars in property taxes. So just one industrial

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property creating over 400 jobs on the site again. So when you think about the 20

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acres that is now excel and the property taxes generated and the jobs generated again,

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it goes. really is one of those real life examples about the benefit of having that

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work. There also goes into the conversation, too. If you saw the Pioneer Press talking

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about how industrial can work with residential, you you can be living in a habitat house

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right now looking across the street up at excel and not really and not think that

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you're in this old perception of steps, smokestacks and noise, pollution and air

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pollution. It's a beautiful building. It works well with the neighborhood and they're

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going to be great neighbors. And that was a big part of one of the messages we got out of

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here that they can be good neighbors, another property that is. And this is this is

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really happening as we speak. So for for commissioners, Johnson Yang, we will be

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bringing person next to Port Authority to what we call it 6. That is the industrial

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property just south of excel. We have a purchase agreement coming in front of the board.

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And the plan there is with developer coming in looking to build 125,000 Square feet over

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20 million dollars in value and over $400,000 in property taxes and the goal there again

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is to meet our jobs requirement around at least one job per square foot. So

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again, another great when when we have the opportunity to bring industrial users. And

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finally, we've talked about Kmart here before. And again, Kmart, we are still working

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through the Kmart site, but our goals are lofty. But we do think that we are going to be

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able to bring 30 to 40 million dollars in value and north of a million dollars to maybe

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even closer to 2 million dollars in property tax at the Kmart site. All and again,

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appreciate the council and working with Sony to maintain maintain industrial zoning on

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that site so we can deliver on the jobs and tax base at the Kmart site. So they'll just

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comments that are more in real time as some of the sites come up. The other, the one of the

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other final findings we had in here and I talked about this is that the industrial jobs.

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Really our in-person jobs and again, that they do, they strengthen the local economy.

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And we we had pulled some stats on this in Seoul. When you think about in person,

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jobs, one of the things you find is that these industrial sites are primarily in-person

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occupation. So these are people are coming to work 5 days a week, sometimes more.

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They actually they actually correlate with higher tax revenues are. And there was a

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ripple effect in the neighborhood. Because people coming into work creates

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neighborhood vitality. And and we we work we work We pulled the study from the Bureau

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Statistics that talks about. The foot traffic and how that correlates to rent all that

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correlates to values and values and correlating to the value of property taxes. One

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other point that we want what we found in here. And that is the providing strong wages.

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The te talk about the median industrial sector wage and the jobs in these industries,

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comedian job hourly rate. It said $37 an hour. 76,000 $1 a year again. These are good

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jobs for the community and really can take they can support a family. And so

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another Not part of what we originally set out to study. But when of that, we became

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part of the study. We thought it was important to share. And we talked about the ripple Any

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questions on any of the refined. looking into some other examples here. Okay. So

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the next the next 2 sides will talk a little bit about some before and after some some of

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the land. That's that's a pub port authority worked to read redevelop in Saint Paul.

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Again, we talked about that. The simple part of for Port Authority Act against

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industrial land and will put will hit a Get new slide here. One of the questions we had.

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From various community members and other presentations we had or what are sme of the

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companies that you're talking about, who are some of the companies that we may or may

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not know exist in Saint Paul, who who's actually providing the jobs and the taxes in

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Saint Paul. And so we just took a sample of a lot a lot of our industrial users in

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Port authority, business centers and put together a pretty simple just

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she here for people to see, you know, the various companies that you may or may

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not know exist in Saint Paul in your wards, who are actually geat partners trust

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in Saint Paul and all of these are in our proper businesses in Saint Paul Business Center.

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So again, as you think of these and there are more we grab just a We grab some from

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all over the city and put them on the spreadsheet people can see. Yeah, the Wonder

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Stallions in the Summit Baldinger Bakery custom drywall and everything in

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between exist in Saint Paul and actually are great benefit to our city and they're

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industrially zoned properties. We've talked about this before, but just quickly

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through here. But when we talk about properties that that the Port Authority has worked we

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talk about Westminster Junction over on the east side.

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>> Port Authority acquired this property. There was 50 jobs on the $138,000 in

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property taxes. You can see it was a real switch aired before it was significantly severely

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contaminated. But then you move forward here. Westminster Junction today, 900 jobs, 2.6

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million dollars in property taxes and actually holes 16 different companies. Again,

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the benefits here again with the jobs and the tax base. And again, when you look at the

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building site here, these these again go back to the perception of of the

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smokestacks air pollution. And again, we work very closely with the mpca when we do our

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projects and so again, just getting people to understand the perception of as we create

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new industrial in Saint Paul. They are they're they're great neighbors and their benefit to

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the community. The Williamsville Business Center again, another another

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remarkable. Aside. And I should say, I know we've had several conversations.

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Westminster in Williamsville started off a stiff districts, no lnger artist district. So

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this is actually real property tax base in the city of Saint Paul.

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>> Williams, was a double over on the edge of downtown Saint Paul. 12 jobs, $80,000 in

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property taxes move forward to today. 450 jobs and 2.4 million dollars in property

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taxes. And again, that those property taxes are no longer in a tax increment district.

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So they are definite benefit to our property tax burden in Saint Paul.

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>> One lst one. And this is also important to Energy Park. And this is an old project in

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Saint In the Port Authority's history Saint Paul Port Authority Choir. when we

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acquired it, it was the a Superfund site. So we have lot of to partners to create this

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when we acquired there was no jobs and no tax base moving forward. And again, one of the

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reasons we added this is you look for look at it now over 5700 jobs here on Energy Park.

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93 companies 0.5 million dollars in property taxes. But just as important and talks

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about how and industry can actually be a good neighbor to housing and residential. All

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this also contains 780 housing units. Again, not dissimilar to what we're working on at

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the Heights to Hillcrest Golf Course. What we're talking about 1000 jobs and 1000

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housing units 12 Acres. Again, just again to the perception that we. and industrial can

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coexist. really the. It kind of to summarize a lot about what I've been talking about.

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I think the dad in the world all come July. We talk about industrial land pretty sheen.

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Excellent fiscal returns in our city. We talk about that title. Industrial land can

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actually become it actually engine. And there are opportunities in Saint Paul

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that we have our eye on it at the Port Authority. It's difficult to talk about them

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because they're under private control now are under other control. And and, you know, we

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like to be their opportunity ready to take them on and create these results. And then

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finally, we talked about modern industrial development. It creates jobs. But it also

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isn't what we were creating 100 years ago or 50 years ago. Davis. re great job in Gray -

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>> talked about that industrial and can create tax stability in the city of Saint

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Paul. >> And when you create catch stability, you can also create

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more affordable. >> wages, you can create wages and you can

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>> create a benefit to the property. Catch from the city. >> Again, we we'd like to

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close with some of the staff to tlk about the in the financial engine again against

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these. These have been all moments for us when we talk about that 1.0, 9% of the

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park's history, almost 10% of the property tax base. So it is an asset and Saint Paul

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and, you know, around our mission, we're looking to try and preserve and make sure

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that there day first opportunities in Saint Paul to create catch bass. Also to

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help assist with our parks, our affordable housing at our colleges, universities and

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hospitals that don't pay property taxes. So with that, I can stand for any questions.

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>> Thanks so much, Mr. Really? I really appreciate the presentation. I have one

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question and then I'll let my colleagues for sure there are others. Hearing the loud and

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clear on the value of industrial land. And I think it's helpful to have the

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updated data to back that up. I'm wondering what policy recommendations you would have

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for this body to actually ensure that we preserve industrial. And because I

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think it's one thing to say it and have sort of heads nodding about it. It's another thing

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to do it. And it's another thing in particular to do it when there are other competing

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demands, as you said, not just in theory, but in practice. We had a recent example. I know

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that you and I corresponded about where there's interest in developing industrial

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parcel affordable housing. And it's a situation where there was a private sale it's

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already bought and we could sort of thank you from the table and insist that we're

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not going to subsidize any affordable housing on land that was industrial. Questions

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arise as to well, this has been on the market and there weren't any industrial buyers.

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And so how do either proactively as a matter of policy or when responding to a

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specific competing interests site. Further, the goal of preserving industrial right.

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Thank you. Council president Baker, members of the City Council.

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>> That it's a great question. And so many thoughts about how to approach this.

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I got to tell you, we started out this going, you know what, we're going to do and we're

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going to work really hard. At the end of the day, we're going to get

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an ordinance that says no net loss of industrial I don't necessarily think that's

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probably the right answer. But one of the one of the goals here was to create

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awareness about this aset we have in the city of Saint Paul and the trend line that we're

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on. But for the increase of 54 acres at the Heights with industrial. And we've been on

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the trend line that has been decreasing and just rules on land soul and I'll get to more

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of this. a couple of the things that that have been beneficial in this study

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right, one is is creating awareness of this to our policymakers rate. The city

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council to the Port Authority board to the community about what industrial land is and

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what it isn't in working with your your staff and PD and you're zoning group and the

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people who are going to work on the comp plan understanding in in a future comp plan about

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the benefit of industrial. what we have seen so far is that there's actually a call

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in the comp plan to increase industrial into. How do we do that? That's what we'll have

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to do. Another finding we had here is. own industrial zoning. Doesn't preclude

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putting how putting multi-family it. Residential changing things to

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residential. Other zonings does eliminate the opportunity for us to actually do

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industrial development in certain property. So again, another takeaway to think

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about, as we think about what does the future of Saint Paul look like? What does and what

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you know when decisions come know and again, the example you're talking

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about, it's a difficult that was a difficult one to talk about because when you're

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talking about the property, you're talking what you're talking about. A couple acres

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right? A couple acres doesn't really help as far as the kind of users were looking at. We

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need 10 acre parcels, right. 10 acre per stone exist in Saint Paul. But if there, if

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you look at those parcels and then you look at the neighboring parcels, is there

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the opportunity for an agency like the Saint Paul Port Authority to to acquire those

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properties like we have? 23 or 25 other times in Saint Paul to create 10 acre plots and

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Saint Paul. So I guess creating the awareness of what this is and heavy policymakers

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know that that this was a great benefit in Saint Paul. As far as our tax burden is as

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Precluding arbitrarily precluding, like if you're it like I'm not going rezoned

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things because its industrial and I'm not going on at last then you or pain having

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somebody pay money to rezone. mean, the pain, the money is a one-time ting. We're talking

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about asset that that we need to preserve and build on that if that creates money today,

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but also money into the future for property taxes and jobs. And so I think I think without

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trying to answer a question that's really hard to in 5 or 10 minutes. I think more to

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come. Now. I appreciate that. And I would say I think we would all really hungry for

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appreciate policy recommendations, especially if it's not known loss of

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industrial. I think we've heard about before, what would those be?

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>> I would just say one quick thing that comes to mind as you were speaking was perhaps

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if the if industrial land can be used for lower intensity uses. As you're saying, maybe

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one midway point is to not rezone industrial land but to allow it to be ued for

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another lower intensity uses, keeping the industrial zoning. I'm sure there's lots of

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downsides to that. An RPD staff are probably like stop talking right now. But

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>> that might be. That might be one way of maybe squaring the circle and not cutting off

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that Future. As you both Johnson vice president thing. Thank you, council president

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and thank separately for being here today. >> I really appreciated being

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able to kind of go through that reminder and I hear you on just the importance of

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raising awareness right now around that. I don't necessarily, I guess I've to

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for questions, one of them and that this is be sure if you know, off the top of your

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head. But it's something that I'd actually be really interested understanding. S

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recognize with the slide that just talks about 50% of the industrial land is

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developable. Of that 50%. I'm just really curious as to how much is developed. We've had

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the county in front of us that has talked to just like how much of our current land is

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developed and residential property in residential and some of those stats that think

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are really important. But I think it's also important for folks and policymakers to

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understand just like. So Vargas or land is developable is develop. And just I want

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just kind of what I know to like. What percentage but its currently developed. We have

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that. >> all about that due to part of it is.

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>> And going forward come on up to the mikes just so we can get for millions of viewers at

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home and on YouTube. Yes, I think that that's just going to be really, I think just

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getting the full picture of that, you know, from the especially for folks that

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maybe don't always look at the industrial and availability every day getting a sense of

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the private privately owned by says publicly owned and also utilized and would be really

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helpful just tonight. If it's in economic analysis. I oppose having not the full chance to

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through that as a separate question I just I'm learning from your experience as well.

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And I know that there's a reason why conversation around industrial I I love

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opportunities in which we have here at the city of Saint Paul to compete with our regional

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partners as well in regional cities. And so I'm just wondering just from the market

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and what you're how how to Saint Paul continue to be that place that can see a tense

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seek out all of these industry partners, but also way and market of bringing folks to PA

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special people were looking to, I don't know, say migrate from Minneapolis come across

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of the bright side of the Mississippi River. But, you know, just the people that are

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looking, what is the recommendation from ad, especially knowing that we

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have suburban pressures as well? >> Council Acre Councilmember

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Johnson. One thing I would start with is Saint Paul. We are in place that industrial

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developers would like to come and there's a couple reasons for that. One is we have

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access to a great workforce in the city of Saint Paul. Right? And we also have great

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opportunities for education. We have a great park system its we are. We

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and excellent community to live in one of the challenges that we hear you is again, we

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are we are by and large are built out city. And industrial developers are looking for

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parcels that are larger than what we currently have in our inventory. And so that becomes

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a challenge. And this council I know has heard me say many times. We need to be

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opportunity ready. The good news is we have somewhat opportunity ready because we

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do have a site over at the Kmart site that is going to be a great opportunity and a

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great site for an industrial developer. We had 54 acres at the Heights right challenge

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now at the height is going to be the first 20 acres is built the next 12 Acres is gonna go

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under a purchase agreement. So again, we become limited again to the opportunities. And so

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what I would say is, as we think about this and you understand, start to

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understand the value i is is really it comes again as Austin, Saint Paul Port

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Authority as a partner. What are the next opportunity sites in the city of Saint Paul and

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how do we get out ahead of those? And there are a couple that we talked about actually

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talked about West track right? So we've hd conversations. Several of us have had

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conversations about West track. struck is a great spot. Yes, could be a great spot for

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housing, there's going to there's significant challenges on West Truck site for

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residential with with things that have happened over the past 100 as a paper mill. But

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just having the information knowing that 40 acres is undesirable and it's a great

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location with transportation on the highways. All that I have no doubt that that is

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opportunity in Saint Paul to create industrial jobs and industrial tax And we've been

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in that conversation. We've got properties and opportunities down occurred

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out. Dow is on the river. It's it's on the river, bt it doesn't have river access. As

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we sit here today. But it is adjacent to Port Authority River tenants in river

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properties. And we have been in many conversations that still held by the private

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sector. But we are looking forward to the opportunity to be the governmental publicly

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between the state, the feds, the county and the city to try and work to try and get jobs

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and tax based to get outside again. So it really is. It really is. We have the people.

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We have the benefits. We have the amenities that are required. You just need to

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make sure that we're having a concentrated effort to acquire and Properties that are big

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enough for industrial users to come to. So and again, goes back to opportunity, Ready.

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Thank you, Mr. Hurley, given that we have about 4 minutes left in the entire

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presentation. I think gonna do is ask my colleagues ask questions and comments wanted

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it one after another and then have you do a closing response to So?

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>> nice present. the council President Preston, really thank you for the

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presentation. It was informative, inspiring as well. And really hopeful about

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the future. See Impala specially as we continue to be in partnership with the port.

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>> I have just a couple of questions. I'm wondering if we were to maximize the

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>> potential in terms of industrial land. That's developable. What do you think

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that looks like even like just estimate in terms of the minimum property tax

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generation that could bring Saint Paul. And then we've been talking a bit of all AI

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data centers. I was curious that that considered light industrial. And coach and then

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just rep of your questions and comments and we'll go to get Mine is sort of the summary of

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the asks that her cousin. >> really interested in sort of connecting tese questions.

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It like, what are all of the parcels that we have? But we actually have that can be

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developed, and then heard the great sort of reframing. Then the next filter is what's

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maybe, you know, underdeveloped versus underutilized. And then where

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opportunity to nutty sites. And I think that will lead to the question. The council vice

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president and he's asking is like once you filter through those and the ones that were

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sort of like targeting and then gives us more of like an intentional focus on what

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parcels have the greatest opportunity. What is a certain tax opportunity that the city

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has and then just take a tiny second to say, like the Kmart site is if you look, the only

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opportunity for Ward 5 to develop industry Atlanta country to our tax base. And

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I'm very committed to being industrial. job springing and like, yeah, turn turn on and

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activate that headspace. And I just will continue to reiterate that for my

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colleagues when it comes for council. Exactly right. Ali is line. Thanks, Miss Any other

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festivals only. >> Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. 2 questions.

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One quick, which is just how we're doing look at peer cities regionally or In terms

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of how much of our land is invest. So some care. So that and then second is probably

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not answerable in the 2. And so we have that that and the point about under developed

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industrial. It is super interesting. feels like there's a lot of places more

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for that. That would apply westrock obviously being one of them. So if thinking about

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kind of policy recommendations moving forward, obviously there's this question what

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chair beside me for just early in the city and also really interested in what policies

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can be incentivizing the type of industrial development that we want to see. Obviously,

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again, lot of us have this conversation of Westrock of. Not all indust industries

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created equal. And so how do we get sort of that really, truly tax generating job

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creating not harmful to the environment like that high in the sky. Best case scenario.

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And really, really just a moment to the policies we could be developing effect.

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Alas, questions or comments as we let us really respond to all of those right

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unfortunately, we're out of Yeah. >> We have a

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>> So. Couple president, major city council members, all of your questions are things that

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we are near and dear to the staple Art. And I appreciate the opportunity to actually

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come back at another time to talk about some of these things. I know my team here

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has taken note on the questions Again, one of the things that I would reiterate

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is part of our work plan. really twofold. One to be identifying the next

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opportunities for industrial off the industrial to redevelopment opportunities in

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the city of Saint Paul. 2 is to actually figure out how we can get those under local

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control to b opportunity ready for when that next user calls. Again, I can't

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emphasize enough that the competitive advantage we have here in Saint Paul's our

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access to work for centre, access to amenities all and it's just some days. It's just

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unfortunate that when people call me, we're never going to be able to to look to live or

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the 150 acre campus and save all that for an industrial user. But a lot of the calls

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were chief development officer is getting are around, you know, medical manufacturing

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and things like that create that are All job opportunities and great tax base. So again,

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there are there's more to come. It's part of the Saint Paul Port Authority work plan

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to do this soul all were on it and I'd love to come back and talk more about it. One thing

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I would say I don't know if it was Councilmember Yang, a cult member, Kim, those talking

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about it. But as as a city council begins discussions around data centers in Saint

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Paul. I'm hopeful that we can have a seat at the table to talk about data centers

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because there are pros and cons right to data centers in me. Center's data centers are

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going to create some much-needed catch baseball all in some of the properties we

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control right now. Those are not the that we have been looking for. A because our

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commitment to the community here at K Mark at the height has been not only creating tax

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base but also creating quality jobs. And so that bing said, I do think there is

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opportunities within limitations to try and create opportunities as parts of

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projects or parts of weeks hiring. Best use type analysis, which could actually

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bring catch page to places that would never probably bring jobs as part of other

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projects. So hopefully we can be part of that conversation. Is a city council deliberates

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on that, too. So. >> Thank you so much, Mr. Hurley for passing

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presentation. It sounds like we a lot more to come. You have our attention and you

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have some very specific questions for follow-up. So we look forward to hearing back

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from you either via email or were happy to find time for another presentation to

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especially if they're specific policy recommendations that you want to bring forward, Mr.

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Green Field, can you make sure to invite Mr? Hurley to the policy session on data centers

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which is coming up. Thank you so much. >> Thank Thank you for your

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time. And we will have that gently too. Wilson and parts can. Would you like this one

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up as ship's staff? Yeah, I don't have anything terribly specific, but essentially

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this. >> idea came way of one of my constituents tat it's really

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interested in sort of how we connect the great parks and rec systems that we have here

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in the cities with some community opportunities like Mobile sinus. There's examples

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of few in the states. I want to be very clear, very distinctively different than

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sort of what is being considered in Minneapolis. And and so I've got Director

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Rodriguez and angelic to come kind of talk about where we've identified opportunities and

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where it might sit for consideration if this is something that the council

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would be interested in taking on. Essentially call way to potentially recreate and Saint

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Paul. So and yell at you There are no slides just for >> Thanks, council. President

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council members appreciate the note on just what our park system is today is ash

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actually national parks So we ranked number 4 in the country today. So that information was

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released where pretty much deadlock with Minneapolis is at number 3 and then DC

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remains number one, but they kind of cheat. so maybe we can. one of the things that

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makes our park system so great is our ability adapt to trends as you outlined, right? So

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there is a strong demand for mobile site is within our system. And we're seeing a lot

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of surrounding park agencies adopt new policies and framework to allow those o

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Parkland. So we've research that we have a framework for parks to management to manage

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it on Parkland. But there is a dsi ordinance kind of consideration that that needs

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to occur. So I'm gonna turn it over to. Dan is from Dsi to elaborate further on that. And

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then all implementation, >> As Mister Nadella comes up at the risk of seeming like a

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sauna neophyte. What is a mobile >> And mobile sauna is for

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those that don't know. Great question. Council president is essentially a wheels,

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something that can it's not brick and mortar. It's something that can travel from

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space to space. Sometimes it shows up on a trailer. They vary in size. You see some of

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00:53:02,482 --> 00:53:09,682
them and residential backyard more commercial across the Minneapolis Park board has

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many. They kind of have a sauna, a village per se one of their on a mobile framework

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00:53:17,290 --> 00:53:20,633
can travel from space to space. >> Thank you. In just one

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follow-up visit typically lke and individual sized summer or multiple people. And is it

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just the phone itself or is it also sort of a sauna? Complex where you would like go in and

583
00:53:33,780 --> 00:53:37,984
sign and use this on it's usually just like a sauna not where you're signing in, but

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00:53:37,984 --> 00:53:41,788
they might have an online platform for reservations and other things. And it will talk

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about that piece in the implementation. But it's on. >> Very much meant for like

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groups small groups I don't think we would have like an individual based but i would

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be more for friends gathering and hanging out in the space for a duration of time. Thank

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you. Director comes president good morning and thanks for the update is do a quick

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presentation. >> Parks all this fun stuff and then sidewalks and the

590
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Energy Here's a party boat bad at >> So we're very excited, but

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really enjoying the partnership with Parks and that's been One of those when

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we have a partner like this, we can keep regulations very simple and life because we

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00:54:22,762 --> 00:54:26,433
know we have a partner that's going effectively manage the property because you'll see

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the tractor and therefore, we know it's going to be well. So what we're looking is to

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create a new chapter similar to capture for 27, which is basically health clubs and

596
00:54:36,420 --> 00:54:41,715
sports funds. But it would be a mobile sauna. Captor, very simply laying out making sure

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we're protecting health and safety and having all the expectations and standards it

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the president, he would get the license dsi for each of the individual placements for

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00:54:52,259 --> 00:54:57,396
the locations and times they would get a permit through the parks department, ideas, the

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operational stuff would be done by parks until they would say we're gonna operate here

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here here. They would attest to that. They're going to meet the standards as set up

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ordinance for their license and then parks would oversee the actual permit we would be

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overseeing the operations in transit from a health and safety standpoint. Our idea is

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to create a TNC model. So when they on an annual basis, they would be telling us what's

605
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their equipment, house and meet all the standards, whether operations just like

606
00:55:24,424 --> 00:55:29,362
we do for transportation network companies. So they would have high expectations

607
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of basically managing their there's their units as it is. And then from tere, we would

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00:55:33,842 --> 00:55:39,782
monitor what's nice, but a license if they choose not to provide the health and safety

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stuff as opposed to for work with parks in the operational, we couldn't pull the license

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away from. So got license is really just to make sure they understand the city of Saint

611
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Paul is serious about it. We are going to have very effective standards but

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standards that really reflect the mobile nature of it. And the fact that it's the park

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setting way. S fairly straightforward, We're just Make sure Manship Annika

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Shafer for the city attorney's office who will be wrking us on the language. She's been

615
00:56:07,543 --> 00:56:10,613
doing a great job working with us some other language, but really trying to make it user

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friendly. But making sure we're upholding the health and safety of the residents of

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city of Saint Paul. Thank you. president and counsel president.

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>> I think you will for the presentation today. This is a topic that hasn't come up my

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word for force. I just want to shine getting from lake on the same page at the also. It

620
00:56:27,163 --> 00:56:31,501
sounds like people who own the most honest they'll want to turn it into a business. So

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that's why even they would need the licensing just so that we can regulate Is that

622
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correct? And then? Inches up usually have part parks plan can they be out on the public

623
00:56:45,981 --> 00:56:48,717
street to get so wondering if we're setting any sort of regulations that are on that

624
00:56:48,717 --> 00:56:54,117
too. >> Council president council very good question. This is

625
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really a starting. And so we're starting on parks, property and not elsewhere.

626
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The ideas. Let's really try. There's been a I'm the director. Talk about that. The

627
00:57:02,650 --> 00:57:06,735
band that's been out there. The idea is that we have the center out there with mobile.

628
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Sana state would like to utilize that. This would be a great afternoon for Saint Paul

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to see how the mobile side as by parks property only but it will be set up that way

630
00:57:14,811 --> 00:57:21,284
strict. >> And just as a public, I was wondering people who own

631
00:57:21,284 --> 00:57:24,820
these, they are interested in turning it into a business. Is that right?

632
00:57:24,820 --> 00:57:29,240
>> Council president council member, yes, a majority of them are. Businesses already

633
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,895
established. Some are trying to get up and running. But some like a mention in

634
00:57:32,895 --> 00:57:36,766
Minneapolis and other suburban cities are already operating that want operate in Saint

635
00:57:36,766 --> 00:57:41,837
Paul. But we have a defined application process and we also have a revenue share.

636
00:57:41,837 --> 00:57:47,976
Agreements are probably 10% of the gross revenue that they generate along with insurance

637
00:57:47,976 --> 00:57:50,980
and and dumb enough occasion requirements, operational rules as it wood-burning

638
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:58,321
things like that. And then the site placement matters talk about like on the street in

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00:57:58,321 --> 00:58:02,391
the park. So we want to make sure that on a hard surface or a durable surface, per to make

640
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sure that we're alleviating any concerns. >> A question in Stockton and

641
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also case. >> Thank you, director. dad. I Echo Council very yang

642
00:58:14,804 --> 00:58:20,409
sentiments in the sense that I haven't necessarily heard this to pick my ward either. But I

643
00:58:20,409 --> 00:58:25,810
know that there is Parkland throughout the city. My question for you really just

644
00:58:25,810 --> 00:58:30,685
stems from like what the city is going what we're doing on our into to prepare for it,

645
00:58:30,685 --> 00:58:35,157
sort of liability that would come from that step as well. Like are we carrying? Are you

646
00:58:35,157 --> 00:58:39,562
planning to carry on insurance? we have different policies that are. Different

647
00:58:39,562 --> 00:58:44,566
things that we're placing on these applicants. But just what I hear about that, I just

648
00:58:44,566 --> 00:58:47,569
wonder what we are also going to do in our and to prepare for that. And just to prevent

649
00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:54,769
any sort of liability t ourselves cause president customer. That's a great

650
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Usually for any benders that we work with. We require insurance.

651
00:58:59,782 --> 00:59:04,720
>> 2 within any agreement. So that's about I think at about 1.5 million, if I remember

652
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,657
correctly, 3 million aggregate. So there are insurance requirements assess

653
00:59:08,657 --> 00:59:13,128
any risks with the implementation. That's and that is the vendors

654
00:59:13,128 --> 00:59:19,728
requirement that they >> Okay. So we're required to carry or own.

655
00:59:19,735 --> 00:59:24,874
>> Council president council members at as a city where self-insured so like the

656
00:59:24,874 --> 00:59:30,874
insurance requirements land about for the better. >> I really appreciate

657
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questions doesn't surprise that not a of calls on Here we are. thanks for things for the

658
00:59:39,888 --> 00:59:44,260
consideration, everyone. But I and trees and if you're willing to share, you know

659
00:59:44,260 --> 00:59:49,898
that there's a limited number of sites parks already sort of like identified even as

660
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opportunities. Are you willing to kind of share where those 2 sites might be?

661
00:59:56,705 --> 01:00:02,705
>> Council president council member? actually 3, would be regional park Lilydale

662
01:00:02,711 --> 01:00:07,717
regional Park failing regional park would be of what I would call the 3 pilot locations.

663
01:00:07,717 --> 01:00:13,989
And then just assessing how things operate. And if a drive for expansion or demand in

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01:00:13,989 --> 01:00:17,126
other words or park specific locations, we can assess those. But there are some site

665
01:00:17,126 --> 01:00:22,264
variables to consider other things. So but we would start in the regional parks. Yeah.

666
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And and just as a quick follow-up, one assumption that I made in this conversation

667
01:00:25,801 --> 01:00:29,471
with that was that there was like a cold funds component. >> And I don't think anyone I

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01:00:29,471 --> 01:00:34,900
think everyone here knowing what Como Lake is, it's a storm water system. And so

669
01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:39,614
like there's not there's not a Copeland's component. That is like a separate thing. But

670
01:00:39,614 --> 01:00:42,151
like, you know, feeling is an interesting one because they could potentially walk, you

671
01:00:42,151 --> 01:00:47,823
know, into the lake for that component. But yeah, just you know, there's there's 2

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potential sites. And can you speak a little bit about the conversation we also had

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around staffing who might be responsible for staffing the sauna as well there in

674
01:00:56,498 --> 01:01:00,636
operation. Yeah cuts President Council member of my recollection is correct. And I

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01:01:00,636 --> 01:01:05,441
may look to Tyler on this. But again, that would be another vendor responsibility in terms

676
01:01:05,441 --> 01:01:09,311
of having staff on site. It wouldn't be a south flat activity per se. They would

677
01:01:09,311 --> 01:01:13,381
have to have someone there to monitor for safety regulations.

678
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>> And >> Thank you for Can I have this image in my mind of talc

679
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:20,322
led individuals running place and there's parks questions. So I believe the location

680
01:01:20,322 --> 01:01:26,922
matters. Thank you. >> Thank you. Council director I have 3 questions. One

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01:01:30,666 --> 01:01:34,270
because have you been considering where have you been hearing from vendors

682
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:38,274
interest in? >> A mobile center near Highland Park or Highland Pool

683
01:01:38,274 --> 01:01:43,280
in that area. And then second question. >> Is I know we're in the very

684
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,499
early stages of this were talking about vendors. But has there been any discussion

685
01:01:46,499 --> 01:01:54,707
parks or the city owning and operating a mobile sauna. And then last question, are there

686
01:01:54,707 --> 01:02:02,470
any sign in parks buildings right now? I'm only aware of the one at Oxford.

687
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>> Call to President council Highland hs been talked about nothing to find yet, but with

688
01:02:05,918 --> 01:02:09,788
the pool and the city and just a large amount of space over there, it can definitely be a

689
01:02:09,788 --> 01:02:15,461
bit hunter, potential future location, specific to existing saunas. Yes, Oxford is only

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01:02:15,461 --> 01:02:21,000
indoor sauna that we have within our system. And for the question on owning and

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:28,600
operating our own, we have not had that w have a game truck and other things right Take a

692
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,945
lot of resources. I don't think we at mobile site and to our fleet, unfortunately, but

693
01:02:32,945 --> 01:02:38,945
might rely on the vendors for that. >> Just one quick

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>> The >> 10% revenue share is that standard seems low. Council

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01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:52,164
president council members other for to Tyler on that. speak to the revenue revenue

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01:02:52,164 --> 01:02:55,901
share. Peace telling McKean is a supervisor within our shop that oversees all of our

697
01:02:55,901 --> 01:03:00,906
agreements throughout the department. We have 100 and >> 50 ish. So. And put another

698
01:03:00,906 --> 01:03:06,178
way. What's the demand? >> Yeah, thank you, director. I agree is and council

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01:03:06,178 --> 01:03:13,585
president council members 10% revenue share is kind of the standard that we go after in

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01:03:13,585 --> 01:03:19,858
agreements with for profit operators on Parkland. >> That can vary once we get

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01:03:19,858 --> 01:03:26,132
into negotiations and you know what we're ultimately trying to do is come up with a

702
01:03:26,132 --> 01:03:30,536
relationship that's going to be successful for all parties. So we give ourselves some

703
01:03:30,536 --> 01:03:36,942
wiggle room there, but 10% revenue share of gross revenue is what we tried to start with

704
01:03:36,942 --> 01:03:40,613
with all for-profit operations. >> Thank you. I would just say

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I think it's important especially for something like this where as you're hearing,

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01:03:43,949 --> 01:03:48,487
not necessarily a ton of demand, perhaps from constituents at the moment,

707
01:03:48,487 --> 01:03:51,690
maybe more from the vendors. I think it would be important for us to be competitive with

708
01:03:51,690 --> 01:03:58,830
the rates. The percent revenue share that those vendors are pained. Other municipality is

709
01:03:58,830 --> 01:04:04,360
not necessarily with their percentages for other operators of other things.

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01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,106
>> call to President councilmember to just to add to that, like we we have hard

711
01:04:07,106 --> 01:04:11,109
from residents just throughout Saint Paul of like why like a Minneapolis to this and others

712
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:13,645
can. Why do you have this in our park? So it's not just offenders, but has been

713
01:04:13,645 --> 01:04:21,653
inquiry over time from residents about these types of amenities and in general just

714
01:04:21,653 --> 01:04:25,570
broaden the scope. But how do we get more vendors in our parks for different things,

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01:04:25,570 --> 01:04:30,529
right, whether it's mobile sauna bike rental operation and things like that is

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01:04:30,529 --> 01:04:34,660
something that looking at holistically across our original park system from

717
01:04:34,660 --> 01:04:40,500
revenue generation standpoint, activation for Houston, just making sure that we're keeping

718
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:45,344
up with trends that we're seeing another location. Thank Miss Coleman.

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01:04:45,344 --> 01:04:52,484
>> Thank you. super stoked about this. least one port for president really wants the

720
01:04:52,484 --> 01:04:59,825
This is really just asked a question. Do you all have any sense of like what will take

721
01:04:59,825 --> 01:05:02,494
in Minneapolis? How accessible is this thinking about, you know, that?

722
01:05:02,494 --> 01:05:07,833
>> The average person's can be able to join in that. On a weekly basis or is this like

723
01:05:07,833 --> 01:05:13,372
$100 per session? really have no sense of what that look like.

724
01:05:13,372 --> 01:05:17,376
>> Council president council members, Im definitely not $100 per session. I think if

725
01:05:17,376 --> 01:05:21,847
you want private exclusive exclusive use for a couple hours to ration, you might be

726
01:05:21,847 --> 01:05:26,919
getting into that her territory. But I think they usually reticent about 30 till

727
01:05:26,919 --> 01:05:30,122
one-hour blocks it's very reasonable price. We could follow up with some breakdowns

728
01:05:30,122 --> 01:05:37,262
vendors and what we've seen across the metro. >> Let's see if things turn

729
01:05:37,262 --> 01:05:42,801
green as a sauna to see a second speaking a little going to talk. Hopkins jointly

730
01:05:42,801 --> 01:05:47,940
operates on pH. And that is $25 for an individual session that those 90 minutes or

731
01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:52,811
reserve it for a $250 to get up to 12 people as part of that reservations. So there's

732
01:05:52,811 --> 01:05:58,349
like a block element. And then the one that I believe Director Rodriguez referring

733
01:05:58,349 --> 01:06:01,486
to, Apple says that get are worth this part of trailhead there with the cross-country

734
01:06:01,486 --> 01:06:09,361
skiing. And so that is I think the 6.12, sauna cooperated that operates, that like. I

735
01:06:09,361 --> 01:06:13,499
think a couple years ago. But a 90 minute sessions like 50 to $60. And that was like part

736
01:06:13,499 --> 01:06:19,972
of a public booking. But it had a lot more amenities like the changing room at the at

737
01:06:19,972 --> 01:06:23,241
the trip and that type of thing. So it's a little more expensive.

738
01:06:23,241 --> 01:06:32,841
>> We have a subject matter fishing to say I 3 say progress and I think that's a

739
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:40,459
really great question point because like should this? >> If there's interest, I

740
01:06:40,459 --> 01:06:45,196
would like to move forward but more so as an opportunity, see if it's a good thing for the

741
01:06:45,196 --> 01:06:50,669
city. And if it turns out like this is something that is like, you know, expands our

742
01:06:50,669 --> 01:06:55,140
part resources draws people in space. That's when we can kind of talk more about the

743
01:06:55,140 --> 01:07:01,140
different amenities that we could connect potentially too. >> mobile sites?

744
01:07:02,281 --> 01:07:08,687
>> Because of the ones that you're talking about, 10 also mobile or they see and they

745
01:07:08,687 --> 01:07:11,690
like stationary, the one at Hawkins, a stationary, but it's it's winter. So it runs

746
01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:16,628
from late November to March and they cut a hole in the lake. And then the one I

747
01:07:16,628 --> 01:07:21,967
believe that worth as mobile. But like they because to cooperate, if they can go to

748
01:07:21,967 --> 01:07:27,305
different locations, heard of other vendors like Director Rodriguez talk. so also a

749
01:07:27,305 --> 01:07:31,843
former council president that inquires everyone swallow. Yes, she She does. She was the

750
01:07:31,843 --> 01:07:36,515
foreign terrorists U.S. hitting. So I think kind of given the interest of the

751
01:07:36,515 --> 01:07:42,454
people, I think I'm going to move forward staff to potentially identify some

752
01:07:42,454 --> 01:07:45,523
proposals, seeing nods and we'll kind of brings and graphs that to my colleagues

753
01:07:45,523 --> 01:07:52,751
and kind of see where the interests was. Really appreciate the time present EU

754
01:07:52,751 --> 01:07:56,822
Council president. I want to say thank you council Rick him for putting this topic to our

755
01:07:56,822 --> 01:08:00,559
policy committee. I know you talked about the club plans maybe remember that earlier

756
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:05,898
this year when he went to Chicago. I did go to my first ever mobile site and there's

757
01:08:05,898 --> 01:08:08,900
the cold plunge came under. What? What lake? It was that. But it was really fun. And it

758
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:12,771
was a great way for people to go to that park and just get introduced to it. So I think

759
01:08:12,771 --> 01:08:18,109
this is a great way for us to get more people to come to our parks and then also drive up

760
01:08:18,109 --> 01:08:23,649
entrepreneurship, inner city to sell. It's very exciting and very supportive of it

761
01:08:23,649 --> 01:08:26,919
looking forward hopefully getting the stuff the cuncil again.

762
01:08:26,919 --> 01:08:32,257
>> Some council vice president council president council members also just noting we're

763
01:08:32,257 --> 01:08:37,329
focusing on mobile saunas on land. But there are mobile sinus on the river and other

764
01:08:37,329 --> 01:08:40,398
things. So like, I don't know if that's in our future right now. But right now our focus

765
01:08:40,398 --> 01:08:49,141
is on the ground, but just want to call that out as well. >> Thanks, thanks. As

766
01:08:49,141 --> 01:08:51,143
president, I will be enthusiasm even didn't seem like it earlier. I do think

767
01:08:51,143 --> 01:08:54,790
this would be a very opportunity. I will say also for millions of YouTube

768
01:08:54,790 --> 01:09:00,218
subscribers home are listening to this part of the purpose of policy committee is to

769
01:09:00,218 --> 01:09:03,489
daylight issues that we are considering. And so if you've heard this discussion today

770
01:09:03,489 --> 01:09:06,825
and you're excited almost an hour, not excited. Are you somewhere between just some

771
01:09:06,825 --> 01:09:11,830
ideas? Are you know how much they cost in other jurisdictions you let us know

772
01:09:11,830 --> 01:09:15,300
because it's helpful to get that feedback as this came in as we you know, considering

773
01:09:15,300 --> 01:09:21,173
bringing this forward. I do just want to hammer home the fact that I want to make sure

774
01:09:21,173 --> 01:09:23,308
that we are getting ready share that fully covers her costs in this competitive with

775
01:09:23,308 --> 01:09:29,647
other jurisdictions. I know you Mr. Person put in a ton of time in these negotiations and

776
01:09:29,647 --> 01:09:32,490
that staff time is valuable. And so I just want to make sure that it is both great

777
01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:42,490
residents and also a good deal for us. Any final comments on the topic? Okay. Thanks much.

778
01:09:43,395 --> 01:09:46,197
Appreciate And looks like we will be seeing something coming for for more 5, thanks

779
01:09:46,197 --> 01:09:52,671
for your leadership. >> With that, we have one last the breaking item. I think

780
01:09:52,671 --> 01:09:55,700
it's going to be lot of interest to all of us, which is Iran, a special legislative

781
01:09:55,700 --> 01:09:58,476
update for hard-working intergovernmental relations director.

782
01:09:58,476 --> 01:10:06,618
>> Thank you. Look like you've got some sleep maybe in the last 48 hours you look fresh.

783
01:10:06,618 --> 01:10:10,555
Thanks, Madam Chair. Actually, it's great to be with you this morning. Hi, everybody. And

784
01:10:10,555 --> 01:10:13,558
thanks to him for helping me out here. >> This too, is a breaking

785
01:10:13,558 --> 01:10:19,498
slide deck right? Jennifer Rourke and the director of government relations here at

786
01:10:19,498 --> 01:10:25,437
the city. And I've always found that doing a legislative update for the client right

787
01:10:25,437 --> 01:10:29,374
after session. Kind of makes for the sharing mre late breaking things with you as

788
01:10:29,374 --> 01:10:33,311
opposed to finding out. >> From others gives us a chance to dialogue that I can

789
01:10:33,311 --> 01:10:42,911
only follow-up the details for you later. So really, the purpose of today is just to

790
01:10:47,592 --> 01:10:51,730
explain. >> You know, explain the lst couple of months. Talk about

791
01:10:51,730 --> 01:10:55,867
where and how we landed on a number of key topics that in the platform that all passed

792
01:10:55,867 --> 01:11:02,807
on February. 11th. >> I did not provide copies of that today. I can for sure.

793
01:11:02,807 --> 01:11:07,278
Send it around. Later it was about think a 5 page document I used to quite a bit to go

794
01:11:07,278 --> 01:11:14,952
back and forth because we didn't quite a bit of policy in projects in that I at You

795
01:11:14,952 --> 01:11:19,290
know, looking back, we picked up and ran with really quickly. I started on February

796
01:11:19,290 --> 01:11:24,963
2nd and then session started on Fbruary. 11th. >> February. I-70 and in

797
01:11:24,963 --> 01:11:31,563
between February, 11th, council passed a >> So I'm going go through

798
01:11:41,713 --> 01:11:48,386
kind of system highlights and the lay of the land feel free to stop me any time for

799
01:11:48,386 --> 01:11:51,990
questions. Session did time. Oftentimes they do go into special session usually in the

800
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:59,664
second year, Biennium like this one they do end on time. The final camels were around

801
01:11:59,664 --> 01:12:03,468
midnight on Sunday. Well, Monday was the last technical day of session. They can't

802
01:12:03,468 --> 01:12:07,939
pass bills on that final day. The second year biennium. So they usually say that for

803
01:12:07,939 --> 01:12:14,539
retirement speeches and whatnot. The retirements from about 46 legislators a good

804
01:12:15,546 --> 01:12:20,552
chunk of those are moving on not coming back retiring for their time in the legislator

805
01:12:20,552 --> 01:12:25,890
Legislature. There are those who are going on for a different office be moving

806
01:12:25,890 --> 01:12:30,950
over are hoping to move over into the Senate. I was able to listen to a lot of speeches on

807
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:34,966
the House side. >> On Monday. And if you're into that kind of thing, Id

808
01:12:34,966 --> 01:12:44,242
be glad to circulate a link to that there are quite a few and >> Kind of sweet. I listen

809
01:12:44,242 --> 01:12:48,780
Senator Pappas is for the last image. And as you might guess, gets a little emotional for

810
01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:55,530
some people when they're doing that. Bt she ended with the phrase about encouraging her

811
01:12:55,530 --> 01:12:57,122
colleagues to work on democracy. And I just thought that was really poignant. And

812
01:12:57,122 --> 01:13:01,580
the times that we're in right now. >> It ws a year for a lot of

813
01:13:01,580 --> 01:13:07,665
election year. Politics. There are lots references to certain people not wanting to move

814
01:13:07,665 --> 01:13:12,737
forward certain provisions because they wanted to wait until next year thinking that

815
01:13:12,737 --> 01:13:15,873
they be in a situation where they it did not have a tie in the house and a majority of

816
01:13:15,873 --> 01:13:23,810
one in the Senate. But we saw that play out quite a bit. one thing that does kind flow with

817
01:13:23,810 --> 01:13:29,200
election year politics is just the bonding bill. And I'll get to more of that in my next

818
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,291
slide. But I always felt like there would be a bonding bill. And it was that that I'm

819
01:13:33,291 --> 01:13:38,630
always an optimistic person, but it was very much a kind of glass half full in terms of

820
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:43,768
this legislative session, just like with enough people like Senator Pappas, the governor

821
01:13:43,768 --> 01:13:47,305
and ohers are retiring or not coming back. That whole lot of people would want to get a tax

822
01:13:47,305 --> 01:13:50,976
bill done. It would want to get a binding deal done and there might be support certain

823
01:13:50,976 --> 01:14:00,256
key projects. found a bullet on this page just really kind of highlights. Some of the

824
01:14:00,256 --> 01:14:07,330
dynamics are going on within the delegation. You all work with the delegation a lot your

825
01:14:07,330 --> 01:14:11,601
community work and whatnot. But, you know, we had a new member for the public in this

826
01:14:11,601 --> 01:14:16,720
listening listeners at home. We did have a new member with Representative Maggard, you're

827
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:23,212
neck alike. She filled the seat vacated by near her replica. Nikolaj ended up on

828
01:14:23,212 --> 01:14:29,850
some committees that we don't necessarily have any say. Paul folks, which may be pretty

829
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:33,422
happy to those being, I think the Energy Committee and definitely the Transportation

830
01:14:33,422 --> 01:14:41,297
committee where we haven't had anyone in the past. >> Excuse me in this biennium.

831
01:14:41,297 --> 01:14:49,372
Majority leader Erin Murphy, of course, is Saint Paul You know, she was a key part of

832
01:14:49,372 --> 01:14:52,908
everything. And I know he's just for my own social media. They're already hit. The

833
01:14:52,908 --> 01:14:58,515
campaign trail are ready. >> With new recruits and whatnot for various seats

834
01:14:58,515 --> 01:15:03,720
going. Senator Pappas funding chair. That'll be a big deal for us. I think we'll wait and

835
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:11,460
see how that shakes out. And then, of review. So who is the delegation chair pres? They

836
01:15:11,460 --> 01:15:18,670
got not running again. And hoping to move on as well. So what do we get? So that's

837
01:15:18,670 --> 01:15:21,871
always the question. The question that maybe not the best question from vice

838
01:15:21,871 --> 01:15:24,600
president to council president thank you for the presentation. I've been

839
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,744
looking forward to that and I really appreciate you coming to us right after the session.

840
01:15:28,744 --> 01:15:33,149
>> 46 legislature seems like high number one during his common for us to see that

841
01:15:33,149 --> 01:15:37,486
number. But amount of legislators retiring happened at the end of their term

842
01:15:37,486 --> 01:15:43,250
councilmember eating. Thank you for that question. kind of fascinated by.

843
01:15:43,250 --> 01:15:49,765
>> All o 4 is high. You know, that's 201 legislators. That's 20%. I think not coming

844
01:15:49,765 --> 01:15:58,165
back. 40%. Anyway. I think it's 20% not coming back to their seat. Right? And So

845
01:16:01,177 --> 01:16:05,781
that's pretty high. I think just politics being what it is and several long timers just

846
01:16:05,781 --> 01:16:15,781
thinking it's time to hang it up you know, that was a big chunk of it. So thank you.

847
01:16:16,580 --> 01:16:20,329
starting with the bonding slide just because that was a big focus. I know for all of

848
01:16:20,329 --> 01:16:26,536
it always is for cities and it always is for local governments. I think when you

849
01:16:26,536 --> 01:16:32,342
add up because these rough numbers at the base, all o these are exceptional Latino

850
01:16:32,342 --> 01:16:36,812
museum. Maybe all of these are in our platform as items that you either work. Yu know,

851
01:16:36,812 --> 01:16:43,850
we're strong priorities over support items this is petty incredible. Dollar wise ice,

852
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:50,893
press release from Minneapolis that just had a lower number than 81 point. I-95 Million.

853
01:16:50,893 --> 01:16:55,964
You know, it could have been bigger. Some of you are involved in really helpful.

854
01:16:55,964 --> 01:17:01,360
I'm a utilities bill that we advanced late in session. But the price tag on that was in

855
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:05,241
the neighborhood of around 80 Million. >> Is what we drafted the bill

856
01:17:05,241 --> 01:17:09,711
for. So 13 may not seem like very much, but it really is. I think conjunction with

857
01:17:09,711 --> 01:17:18,711
everything. Do I know you can see at meter reader? This are not necessarily okay.

858
01:17:19,388 --> 01:17:21,724
>> We just some questions that to stick with what I just want to lift up the big cats and

859
01:17:21,724 --> 01:17:28,598
not because it is 45, but because that was the same appropriation that the

860
01:17:28,598 --> 01:17:30,532
Minnesota Zoo also received for their general for a job on. They did get some, I

861
01:17:30,532 --> 01:17:37,607
think, like. General operating money in a funny money. it's just a name like that. We were

862
01:17:37,607 --> 01:17:42,478
like right on track with the Minnesota State Zoo. And so this is a huge win. Not just

863
01:17:42,478 --> 01:17:47,817
to get some money for the project, but trend with the other state

864
01:17:47,817 --> 01:17:54,156
>> thanks for putting that Any Rodriguez actually pointed that out to me yesterday when

865
01:17:54,156 --> 01:17:58,961
we were going through a few things. This is a slight bit more. There appropriation is

866
01:17:58,961 --> 01:18:04,299
was 9. I don't know what their original asked I think our original ask for the come was

867
01:18:04,299 --> 01:18:11,374
it was around 20 or 25. So. You know, it's always hard take smaller amount, this is

868
01:18:11,374 --> 01:18:17,847
very good compared a lot of other and cities around the states.

869
01:18:17,847 --> 01:18:23,786
>> Question 2 questions. One, the money for west utilities is huge. 13 Million. I know we

870
01:18:23,786 --> 01:18:31,586
need. >> 80 right So wondering, did we go to the state for a team?

871
01:18:32,995 --> 01:18:36,640
We got 13 or 2 to go for last. I'm just wondering where that is where that falls out. It

872
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:41,337
only went 4 and then the 2.5 million extension of the bonding funds for the same

873
01:18:41,337 --> 01:18:43,673
time. Plus a playground Councilmember Justin ayer both really interested seeing that

874
01:18:43,673 --> 01:18:49,780
project. Move forward. Does that? Get them make the money available? Despite the lawsuit

875
01:18:49,780 --> 01:18:58,488
or does that just extend the bonding so that at the time when we can? Potentially use

876
01:18:58,488 --> 01:19:01,891
that we can and wondering what the impact of that is on the actual project right?

877
01:19:01,891 --> 01:19:08,965
>> I'll start with the first question. I think it's often the strategy, 4 entities to

878
01:19:08,965 --> 01:19:13,302
ask for a bigger amount and know you're going to get a smaller amount. And that's

879
01:19:13,302 --> 01:19:17,373
where there's a lot of back and forth between the subject. Experts like.

880
01:19:17,373 --> 01:19:24,113
>> New Director Dan Barber and a child Kershaw was super key. And that's there's a lot of

881
01:19:24,113 --> 01:19:30,519
back and forth. Senator Pappas is office in particular. I've just to get more detail on

882
01:19:30,519 --> 01:19:35,925
what all that You know, perfect world for. For any of us. We would just get general

883
01:19:35,925 --> 01:19:41,530
fund dollars in cash from the state. She'll bonds is really like using the state's credit

884
01:19:41,530 --> 01:19:46,269
or the state like I think it is the state's credit card. So there's a lot of hoops to jump

885
01:19:46,269 --> 01:19:53,343
through role and plans to show and the all the things >> Sean was incredibly helpful

886
01:19:53,343 --> 01:19:59,949
with a lot of that back and forth. We had told them that it was we were able to phase

887
01:19:59,949 --> 01:20:03,485
this in phase his life in the freezing we use when we know the you can't get all of it

888
01:20:03,485 --> 01:20:09,503
from the state. So. I think we left them with the impression we probably be back. Obviously

889
01:20:09,503 --> 01:20:17,511
that's for future platforms. But I'm that's the answer to that question with simple,

890
01:20:17,511 --> 01:20:21,583
inclusive playground language. To be honest, this is this is a little bit of a surprise as

891
01:20:21,583 --> 01:20:31,183
I was reading through funding bill Sunday afternoon. This is I think this Senator Pappas is

892
01:20:32,260 --> 01:20:36,864
reaction to the lawsuit and making sure that we just have more time to spend that. So

893
01:20:36,864 --> 01:20:43,270
it's not necessarily new money. You could subtracted from the 81 if you wanted to.

894
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:49,410
But it just give staff more time to spend? I think it's out till 2028 to 2029. So that

895
01:20:49,410 --> 01:20:55,149
might not be a full answer to your question council president. But I know city

896
01:20:55,149 --> 01:20:58,152
attorney's office and Parks Department are working through next steps in terms of the

897
01:20:58,152 --> 01:21:04,152
common cent any other questions? Other partners, priorities and statewide

898
01:21:11,632 --> 01:21:16,437
funding. I just wanted to identify other items in that bill that I think, you know,

899
01:21:16,437 --> 01:21:23,244
they were either same Centre and our partners of ours or our statewide funding. That

900
01:21:23,244 --> 01:21:27,915
will have to delve into more of the details because we may be able to apply for it. There

901
01:21:27,915 --> 01:21:32,119
were some was money for a es. I homes in Saint Paul Roseville and another one or 2

902
01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:37,258
cities around the metro area. Emergency shelter, Capital grants funding. I'm pretty

903
01:21:37,258 --> 01:21:43,464
familiar with from my time at the county. But this is homelessness. run through. I

904
01:21:43,464 --> 01:21:48,535
think DHS or Minnesota housing. But that's traditionally I think then

905
01:21:48,535 --> 01:21:55,900
trick counties and nonprofits to apply for. The statewide lead line replacement funding.

906
01:21:55,900 --> 01:21:59,800
This is a statewide program. Saint Paul Water was pretty active in testifying on this.

907
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:07,488
Rick Allen particular this was sort of this is maybe the big disappointment if there were

908
01:22:07,488 --> 01:22:11,625
any and there always But this is a big disappointment they were asking for, you know, it

909
01:22:11,625 --> 01:22:17,431
was either 200 or 100 both really big numbers for a statewide program and

910
01:22:17,431 --> 01:22:24,838
expecting to get it for the most part, I think on Friday, one is talking to one of our

911
01:22:24,838 --> 01:22:29,977
Labor friends. They thought they had 80 or 90 million dollars in the is just a good

912
01:22:29,977 --> 01:22:37,385
example of there's a lot of competing interests and they ended up with 15. I think I

913
01:22:37,385 --> 01:22:44,324
think say Paul needs about 20%. they were looking at but 20 million for the city when

914
01:22:44,324 --> 01:22:49,196
it was around 100 million dollars. So this is a disappointment. I know the be

915
01:22:49,196 --> 01:22:55,536
back next year and it's also an example of the complicated is not perfect for when trying

916
01:22:55,536 --> 01:23:04,344
to do private home lead line replacement. You need either cash or appropriation bonds to

917
01:23:04,344 --> 01:23:08,883
do that. So again, a lot of disappointment in this And when you know where we had a

918
01:23:08,883 --> 01:23:16,900
lot of partners with labor and cities around the state. So I'm sure that will lend be 1,

919
01:23:16,900 --> 01:23:22,964
1, including our next half The next one is happy spot Metropolitan Parks. We have a

920
01:23:22,964 --> 01:23:27,368
Metropolitan Parks coalition that meets every Monday morning, either virtually or

921
01:23:27,368 --> 01:23:34,575
or in person at the Capitol. It is all the other, a 10 or 11 and implementing We've

922
01:23:34,575 --> 01:23:39,580
always asked for 10 or 15 billion in bonding and that's money that comes to the

923
01:23:39,580 --> 01:23:45,986
Met Council. It's for your project and facilities as posed to operating moneys. I

924
01:23:45,986 --> 01:23:50,858
gotta think this might have been like a Senator Pappas gift because she's always been

925
01:23:50,858 --> 01:23:54,795
the chief author on this. That's always been a relatively small amount. to

926
01:23:54,795 --> 01:24:01,202
get 10 million dollars this year is a big deal. There's 1 million general fund for the

927
01:24:01,202 --> 01:24:09,602
Heights. I think that's a part project there. this one PCA was almost 11 million

928
01:24:10,211 --> 01:24:16,211
statewide for capital assistance There's 1.5 9 identified in there for a

929
01:24:17,685 --> 01:24:22,423
Saint Paul project. This was also a little bit of a surprise. I think it came up

930
01:24:22,423 --> 01:24:27,428
through the governor's recommendations us. You know, that came out in January and

931
01:24:27,428 --> 01:24:33,300
earlier this session. So we'll be able to find somewhere else. And that. And then

932
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:37,237
finally this one I do if you're hearing about it, it certainly got a lot of press

933
01:24:37,237 --> 01:24:44,645
newspaper, but the human waste situation showing up at the Rmu for Ramsey and Washington

934
01:24:44,645 --> 01:24:50,251
counties. Our former then Commissioner Tristen Martin son is now the executive

935
01:24:50,251 --> 01:24:56,323
director out there and did get couple of different recycling and energy projects. They've

936
01:24:56,323 --> 01:25:02,630
been looking for federal in state funding on, they get quite a bit of media attention

937
01:25:02,630 --> 01:25:09,937
on some of hospital waste showing up in the trash out there. So they fought this but

938
01:25:09,937 --> 01:25:14,750
ultimately got a study of this problem that was in the cash funding Any questions on any

939
01:25:14,750 --> 01:25:21,875
of think we're 6 minutes to make me show you get sides in the

940
01:25:23,551 --> 01:25:26,220
>> You all know a lot of the work happens and I'm nervous bills for their smaller asks.

941
01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:32,693
They put him into one. >> Some of the things that we were tracking non-fatal

942
01:25:32,693 --> 01:25:36,697
shooting clearance program that our police department and Ramsey County and other

943
01:25:36,697 --> 01:25:41,502
partners have gotten a lot of attention. we're hoping for more on that because i's only

944
01:25:41,502 --> 01:25:46,441
905,004, I think statewide police departments that want to step into this space. We

945
01:25:46,441 --> 01:25:51,311
made sure there was language that Saint Paul would still be eligible for this so that we

946
01:25:51,311 --> 01:25:58,519
would penalize the good work. The mayor was testified a couple of times on that

947
01:25:58,519 --> 01:26:03,919
family, homelessness prevention assistance is gotten money with 40 Million.

948
01:26:03,991 --> 01:26:06,794
That's kind of a big deal on the budget and the 9 budget year. One time property tax

949
01:26:06,794 --> 01:26:13,200
relief was in the >> tax bill for me when I hear property tax relief, I always

950
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:19,493
go to LGA. >> And I know a lot of the year due to this is this is

951
01:26:19,493 --> 01:26:25,631
more one of those programs people will need to apply for. So make sure your ofices have

952
01:26:25,631 --> 01:26:29,436
right wording and whatnot for newsletters and such because big part of getting the word

953
01:26:29,436 --> 01:26:33,573
out in that and people do need to apply. >> technically going to be a

954
01:26:33,573 --> 01:26:39,450
new state park at the Capitol. They're doing a lot of work around that given the new

955
01:26:39,450 --> 01:26:43,916
building and what not, but it will be them. Listen, Mark Portman, Memorial State Park,

956
01:26:43,916 --> 01:26:48,588
they did do some work for themselves of Capitol security funding and your policies are

957
01:26:48,588 --> 01:26:55,188
some changes to the under pension Bill. >> the CA Maryland Avenue

958
01:26:56,196 --> 01:27:00,667
fencing issue. Some of you might remember that. I think from previous they were

959
01:27:00,667 --> 01:27:05,872
interested in getting language in the bill and they were successful to have. I don't

960
01:27:05,872 --> 01:27:14,681
use the word bypass, able to have the fence they want at the BCA and at the address and

961
01:27:14,681 --> 01:27:19,286
then in the legacy, Bill, this is a good one. There's quite a bit parks. There's quite a bit

962
01:27:19,286 --> 01:27:24,824
a new money in there for additional money. And 2, will have to apply for, but I'll

963
01:27:24,824 --> 01:27:31,898
make sure we work with parks to do that. Mayor, her was and I were visiting with

964
01:27:31,898 --> 01:27:35,235
Republican legislators late on Sunday night and they were pointing out that there was a

965
01:27:35,235 --> 01:27:41,308
lot of money in there and they hope that same wide for it. So this.

966
01:27:41,308 --> 01:27:44,978
>> On all, just leave this one out here. There's a lot of detail You know, the half-cent

967
01:27:44,978 --> 01:27:50,583
sales tax extension. We were not able to get that out of the House Chair. Gomez feels

968
01:27:50,583 --> 01:27:56,590
pretty strongly about local option sales taxes. >> This is a key part of the

969
01:27:56,590 --> 01:28:01,595
city's funding for the changes, whatever at the arena in right Wilkins. So tere's

970
01:28:01,595 --> 01:28:07,267
going to be we're going sort through that. >> There wre the star.

971
01:28:07,267 --> 01:28:12,939
dramatic changes, did not get done. So I think that gives us a chance as the city some of

972
01:28:12,939 --> 01:28:19,746
you have a real interest in that, too. Go through and make sure we don't want additional

973
01:28:19,746 --> 01:28:27,200
changes for the star program. Nothing moved ahead in terms of Operation Metro Surge Bills

974
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:32,159
other some great testimony. And folks telling their story at the Capitol.

975
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:35,762
>> There are few one here that I think we're going to be able to move or try to move through

976
01:28:35,762 --> 01:28:43,236
either the League of Minnesota Cities or the Metro Cities. Policy summer. I know I'll be

977
01:28:43,236 --> 01:28:47,400
attending that and we'll follow up step. See maybe want to have more of you involved

978
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:55,114
in some of that work. ultimately were not any policy changes or come credits done

979
01:28:55,114 --> 01:29:02,914
for downtown redevelopment You know, stop right there. answer any questions. Time processing

980
01:29:07,727 --> 01:29:15,935
with plan is just. Thank you. Council thank us I also a little bit, too. I mean,

981
01:29:15,935 --> 01:29:20,941
there's some things I'm happy to see and some >> Disappointed about. I just

982
01:29:20,941 --> 01:29:27,413
want uplift you know, the importance of the bonding bill and investing in our statewide

983
01:29:27,413 --> 01:29:31,217
infrastructure. Many of you know, I'm engineer and I'm part of the American Society

984
01:29:31,217 --> 01:29:37,824
of Civil Engineers. And we shared our. Infrastructure grades a few weeks in the

985
01:29:37,824 --> 01:29:42,950
state is getting a C and so I'm happy to share copies of that I can share with with all

986
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:46,633
of you haven't had a chance to bring those in House online. But, you know, there are some

987
01:29:46,633 --> 01:29:53,706
winds here, but I'm also really, really disappointed about you know, the task for

988
01:29:53,706 --> 01:29:58,845
lead water replacement and just the importance access to clean water for everyone our

989
01:29:58,845 --> 01:30:04,500
city in our state is so important. I'm so happy to see. You know, a lot of the

990
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:09,923
investments in our city and then some of the statewide investments and our roads and

991
01:30:09,923 --> 01:30:14,327
transportation. But still a lot more work to do and just want to thank thank you for

992
01:30:14,327 --> 01:30:20,333
all of your efforts. As you jumped into this at the beginning of the year and also

993
01:30:20,333 --> 01:30:29,943
understand there's a sea a lot more work to still do for the next Thank you. Thanks. Mrs.

994
01:30:29,943 --> 01:30:34,814
>> Yeah, sorry. And just add that I also really appreciate the work that was done the

995
01:30:34,814 --> 01:30:38,752
Capitol. Like we didn't get everything. We got some unexpected things. I was there

996
01:30:38,752 --> 01:30:44,824
this weekend. It was there not as long as our IG our director, but certainly late

997
01:30:44,824 --> 01:30:50,960
into the evening and saw I think just a really incredible partnership between you and

998
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:52,632
the mayor and the way that you are rallying our Saint Paul delegation.

999
01:30:52,632 --> 01:30:59,172
>> Even in the 11th hour to push for more things for the city. so even from, you know,

1000
01:30:59,172 --> 01:31:04,111
sometimes an insider looking in. I just want to commend the fact that like I saw you and

1001
01:31:04,111 --> 01:31:08,448
the mayor speaking to everyone rallying our delegation, working still in the 11th hour

1002
01:31:08,448 --> 01:31:13,319
to get wins for Saint Paul. And so certainly not without I think credible work advocacy

1003
01:31:13,319 --> 01:31:21,394
and like just very Smart's lobbying by air part. So I just also want to commend the

1004
01:31:21,394 --> 01:31:26,660
work that was done and just like, you know, copying and the right place. But you were

1005
01:31:26,660 --> 01:31:30,804
there until midnight. And as was I and you were there and even later. So just really

1006
01:31:30,804 --> 01:31:32,739
appreciate the time and attention. You've given the moving our priorities in the

1007
01:31:32,739 --> 01:31:39,746
legislature this year. >> Yeah, I would echo the thanks to you, sir, are

1008
01:31:39,746 --> 01:31:43,884
especially given that the short time frame with what you had to prepare for a very

1009
01:31:43,884 --> 01:31:48,688
active session. I think my greatest disappointments are just related to some of the

1010
01:31:48,688 --> 01:31:51,958
things that we continue to go back for the downtown investments that are so common

1011
01:31:51,958 --> 01:31:55,280
sense that should be bipartisan that are so desperately needed. This our

1012
01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:02,836
3rd year, I believe in a row. Coming back 0 on that. And that's just incredibly

1013
01:32:02,836 --> 01:32:06,390
disappointing from our representatives. The faculty can't get basic gun violence

1014
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:10,430
across the finish line that that's the most partisan issues. But having testified

1015
01:32:10,430 --> 01:32:16,490
in front of Judiciary Committee and seeing the seeing the way that that was

1016
01:32:16,490 --> 01:32:18,985
responded to in the way that this has become a partisan issue. That's about anything.

1017
01:32:18,985 --> 01:32:23,123
But public safety is really disappointing. And then the metro surge, kind of fell

1018
01:32:23,123 --> 01:32:30,640
after fail there. So I just seeing the site is particularly frustrating. So

1019
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:35,403
I'm grateful for all the work that happened. I'm very grateful for the investments.

1020
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But its there's a lot of work to do. And I don't feel like the city was particularly

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supported in the session. We haven't even talked about algae. Either more sides. I

1022
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think we're close Come back. Another time. >> Where that may be the most

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keeping on here is you know, will kick off some sort of platform development later

1024
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this summer. I'd like to involve you in your offices in that.

1025
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>> work with >> or city council staff to set up some sort of process of

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people understand it all and >> you hopefully have a platform ready to go when, you

1027
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know, right around early November would be my call. >> Thank you so much. Really

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appreciate it. And final questions or at the day ahead of us. So thank you so much

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for the time. The ? Yes, yes.