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[3:44] Temple City Council Policy Committee to Order Roll Call, Please.
[3:46] >> Councilmember Bowie. Council, president maker Councilor Johst Councilmember
[3:57] Coleman Councilmember Ken as a vice president being here. Councilman Johnson. Seeing 5
[4:03] present to absent. Councilmember Bowie is excuse for the first 30 minutes of
[4:09] the meeting. And we have 3 items our agenda today. >> And the first we're really
[4:14] excited to welcome the Port Authority. I think Mr. OK? tag team effort to present on the
[4:23] part death Port Authority's industrial and study. This is something I know all of us
[4:27] have expressed a lot of interest. And as we talk about extending a tax base, which is
[4:30] a parody for this whole council and the timing couldn't be better as we
[4:33] approach budget season. So why not? And we have a innovation at the council, which is a
[4:39] timer. For presentations. So we're going to set it for 45 minutes and it will. some
[4:46] point and kind app that you can, >> Wonderful. good morning and
[4:50] thanks for having us here today. I'm I'm senior vice president of communications
[4:53] and external affairs at the Port Authority. We are very excited to be here today to
[4:58] walk through our findings of the industrial and study that we commissioned last year. We
[5:03] work with the North's Pan who is a agency who works in the Upper Midwest and Economic
[5:07] development. And we wanted to make sure that this was something that would
[5:14] >> be able to paint a pretty picture of Allison has industrial and different from
[5:19] prior studies we've done at the Port Authority. This looks at all of the industry as a
[5:22] man intent not just our business owners to the port. >> When we kind of put this
[5:26] study together, we met key stakeholders to walk to the study and we also have a lot
[5:32] of presentations planned in communities. Our district councils and others. That
[5:36] being said, if you see this presentation today and you think their community groups
[5:39] of folks who think would be interested in this information, please reach out
[5:42] to me. I would love to get an encounter. Is we really want to make sure we're sharing
[5:47] this with folks making sure this information is really considered in land use
[5:49] decisions and that community members understand kind of the data and facts behind investor
[5:54] an unsafe. With that, I'll turn it over to our president had Hurley who's going to walk
[6:00] through the findings of our >> Good morning. Thank you, Ashley Council, president
[6:10] Nneka members of the City Council. My name is Todd Gurley and the president and
[6:13] CEO of the Saint Paul Port Authority. I have with me today here also Mike Solomon,
[6:18] who is the chief financial officer of the Port Authority in Christine Williams, who is
[6:21] our chief development officer and again, reasons for having them here is this study at the
[6:28] Saint. Paul Port Authority has really been an all hands on deck.
[6:32] >> There are there are conversations we have across our organization around the
[6:36] development and Saint Paul are on the financing in Saint Paul, interim communications
[6:39] and outreach in Saint Paul. And so I thought to be appropriate to have my
[6:43] leadership team here who have all partaking in this So again, thank you for your for
[6:49] the time to be here. I don't know where the timers, but I'm sure hope Ogden within 30
[6:55] here. It's it's here Okay. I don't know if there's could be like line down the block. sole
[7:02] up in front of you is really the title page of this. But one of the things that all
[7:05] start this with is is is as Ashley talked about, we have working on this for the past
[7:12] year. And we've and this has been out in community and out in certain places already
[7:19] called president, a Kurd had the opportunity to talk with coach President Acre about
[7:21] this, which is how we got the opportunity to come to the policy session here. It would
[7:25] be great to be here earlier, but as timing went the 20th of May was the first time we
[7:31] could get out here. So I appreciate being here. Also Councilmember, Yank
[7:36] Commissioner Yang at the Port Authority Commissioner Johnson. They also did see a
[7:41] preview, a different version of this presentation. So some of this none of this is really
[7:44] going to to certain people. But I hope that it is actually informational for the council.
[7:51] And again, looking to have a conversation as we go through this because there could be a
[7:56] lot of questions and I'm more than willing to take questions. And I my team who
[7:59] can also help with anything that being said. The steeple port authority, a very high
[8:05] level. Our mission at the Saint Paul Prt Authority is really around expanding the
[8:11] city's tax One of the things we do is we clean up contaminated land we look to
[8:16] create quality jobs in the city of Saint Paul. >> While advancing sustainable
[8:21] and equitable development will also be in a fierce advocate for the working So that's the
[8:25] same port authority really has our mission. get you know what, what is this study? So
[8:33] really in this study, we are really trying to dig deep into what is the real value of
[8:40] industrial land in a in the municipality in a city like the city of Saint Paul. So
[8:45] what we did is we really used data provide information to inform the study on the value
[8:51] of industrial and in Saint Paul. We aso wanted to use this study to update the what
[8:58] I would call the all outdated perception of what what is industrial and what is What is
[9:04] it? Industrial user in Saint Paul? And so we'll get into some of
[9:06] that in this study. Aain. And then using data talk about a tax revenues generated within
[9:14] industrial properties in Saint Paul. what does that mean with the cost of city services
[9:19] that are consumed by industrial and users in Saint Paul? Why now? One of this was
[9:26] a has been part of our work plan. And why now really is is really kind of well written
[9:30] down in this slide. We're sitting here in Saint Paul and we've got several conversion
[9:38] pressures in Saint Paul. And I know all of as council members are hearing about these. But
[9:41] right now we're experiencing a slow, a slowing in our tax base were also experiencing
[9:48] rising taxes. I just did this presentation early May or late April and property tax
[9:53] statements went out and people were concerned about property taxes. And so one of the
[9:59] things that I think we can find out find from this is that industrial and does
[10:02] provide a great way to generate property taxes in the city. Other things that we we
[10:09] we know our land is limited, especially industrial. And and I've got maps she figures in
[10:14] this study that talked about the limitations and the scarcity of industrial land in
[10:18] Saint Paul. And as you we've been working hard and the downtown and the downtown is
[10:24] in flux. But I do think we're in an opportunity as work through the issues in downtown
[10:30] all again, all very kind issues in Saint Paul. So the time is right to understand
[10:35] really the benefits of industry no word. What we'll talk about. How do we balance
[10:43] plan pressures? I mean, there are there are people there are we know that there is a
[10:48] housing need and Saint Paul, but we also know that there is a property even so how do we
[10:51] keep diversity in our in our land to create opportunities for tax base. One of the
[10:58] questions that came up and so will our presentations is when you talk about industrial and
[11:04] you talk about industrial uses, what are those types of uses? And so this slide is
[11:09] actually a new slide in the presentation as couple weeks ago. again, I won't read all
[11:13] of these, but just for informational purposes, we want to the list. The types of
[11:19] uses that that can happen and do happen in Sint Paul in industrial zone landed. So,
[11:24] you know, you can start at a very high level. You've got manufacturing and you've got
[11:27] construction. But you go down the list to move. Got transportation and
[11:32] warehousing. We've got commercial industrial machinery, rental and leasing.
[11:35] We've got women in uniform supply companies and Saint Paul appliance repairs and
[11:39] maintenance Trump, utilities Lisi waste management and telecommunication. So there
[11:46] are a lot of use industrial land tat that out that actually, you know, tey're
[11:50] here, they're in our neighborhoods different create opportunities for jobs in the
[11:52] U.S. provide great opportunities to catch bass again. Use this just to really
[11:59] what the types industries we had in Saint Paul. So the nature of industrial land in
[12:05] the city of Saint Paul, really, these are these are some of the findings that we
[12:11] we we someone knew but also learned as we did this study and really for findings in the
[12:15] city of Saint Paul expand a little bit on each of these number one is that industrial
[12:21] land in Saint Paul is limited. It is a finite resource. And again, we'll see and hear. It
[12:27] is actually Jude geographically concentrated and is geographically
[12:31] concentrated around. Really. We're transportation corridors, accused highways
[12:34] rails in the river. that's number 2. And number 3, one of the findings we have 2 is once
[12:43] once land is converted away from industrial is really difficult to replace.
[12:47] difficult to rezone property in Saint Paul from one used to industrial. But we have found
[12:52] in the past that land that has been industrial has has had a track record of being
[12:59] converted into other uses. The Ford site is a great example. We're not saying that what
[13:04] happened at Fort is wrong by any means. But 125 acres at Ford was industrial and was
[13:09] converted to a great, a great neighbor, done a great community But one of the
[13:14] things we also found is that when you think about the Hillcrest Golf course, right,
[13:17] that the Port Authority has been redeveloping. The opportunity there. that's the
[13:23] first time in our history that we are actually able to convert land from a golf
[13:28] course to 54 Eagles converted and light industry which is going to create a lot of
[13:32] property taxes and a lot of jobs and actually works well in the neighborhood because
[13:39] it's also adjacent to one a 1000 housing units in Saint Paul. And we'll
[13:42] talk a little bit about that. Another finding, which is a bit of an aha moment for us.
[13:46] And I have a map that will show this is that. the land in Saint Paul that is on
[13:52] industrial. Half of that is actually not developable. And I'll get into that a little
[13:56] bit more in future maps. So this map talking about so again, a slide in this
[14:04] presentation. And I think councilmember maker, this is actually hit a question. You
[14:07] had for us is, you know, what it a map of the city of Saint Paul? Where is the land is
[14:14] zoned industrial. So you can see on this map here that. This is this This is the land
[14:22] is on the industry through the same party can see it follows transportation corridors and
[14:24] it follows a river in the airport. All but one of the points that we make here is of
[14:32] this 50%, only half of that is developable. So a couple reasons for that. One is when
[14:38] you look at the the larger area that pig's That's pig's Eye Lake that is not going to
[14:45] be developed, although even though it's zoned industrial, in addition to that others
[14:51] vacant parcels that are down by them up to the Metropolitan Council, Environmental
[14:54] Services down on the bottom of the page. then a lot of the real world corridors here are
[14:59] not there. That won't be able to be developed. So when you think about this, just this in
[15:03] the city as a whole, this area just the start. Blue areas represent geographically 12%
[15:09] of the city. But only half of that is developable. So only 6%
[15:15] geographically of the city is actually developable for additional or to maintain
[15:23] industrial properties in Saint Paul and just to pass the director for second. That's
[15:26] >> good news from the port perspective, I would assume and that that means that the
[15:29] development pressure only applies to half of the industrial and that we're
[15:31] talking up. >> So we get again. So I want to pause there for one second
[15:40] just for the city council to actually, you know, when you see this mp here again, this
[15:45] is that this is the the property we're talking about again, 12% geographically is
[15:53] Jones industrial. Only 6% or half of that is actually has the opportunity to be either
[15:59] maintain or redeveloped and Saint Paul, unless we can figure out how to convert
[16:01] other lands in Saint Paul. So when we get into the actual findings of the report, which
[16:09] are going to be the next few really kind of categorized into kind of 3 areas. One is
[16:16] discussion around industrial land in Saint Paul ad how it can be how it is in can be an
[16:20] economic engine for the city of Saint Paul. Secondly, how you can actually serve as the
[16:27] backbone of our tax base in the city of Saint Paul. And then thirdly, the benefits of
[16:34] industrial land as it is there, there are benefits within the neighborhoods right
[16:38] around the benefits of the jobs that are created and the benefits of jobs what we found
[16:42] in here, too. And I'll talk about this is that these jobs are actually work from work
[16:45] there in person. And that is something we discovered as we went through the pandemic and
[16:49] started tinking about remote work and what that does in your community and what that
[16:55] to to the ripple effect of the economics of the neighborhood. When people are working remote
[17:00] showing up, coming to work every day. So the first the first finding again, is around
[17:07] the economic engine. And these are just some stats that we found to be really
[17:09] interesting. When we talk about the industry so inland in Saint Paul and what the
[17:16] economics are of that. So you can see on this slide. The industrial. And it's a
[17:22] Paul provides about 31,000 jobs or supports 31,000 jobs in the city. And that's a
[17:26] pretty large number. I don't know, actually. Do we percent of what that is of all of the
[17:30] jobs? We have that number of one point. And I can 5 follow-up, but I
[17:33] wanted to make sure that as a percent, it's not a small percent of the jobs. And Saint
[17:39] Paul. Again, 2.8 billion dollars in income. industrial land in Saint Paul. A direct
[17:46] economic output of over 9 billion dollars and then annual tax patch contributions
[17:51] of over a billion dollars. And those are those are sales taxes or state, local and
[17:57] federal taxes generated in Saint Paul. But over a billion dollars for
[17:59] mental sure. And check all. Again industrial activity powers to Saint Paul. It can
[18:07] Canada's power, the the city of Saint Paul, a second finding in a report is that
[18:13] industrial land can serve as the backbone of our tax base in Saint Paul. And there's a
[18:16] couple reasons why we say that. get ito sme stats here and these are stats that I-5
[18:23] phone, very meaningful as as bad as a backbone here. One is I talked about the geographic
[18:29] area in Saint Paul. But here when you talk about the parcels in Saint Paul, so
[18:33] 1.9%. All of the city of Saint Paul are parcels that are industrial zone that generates
[18:41] almost 10% of the property taxes in the city of Saint Paul. Again. Tinking about
[18:48] again, we talk about 2% and then you talk about 10%, you losing any of that is is
[18:54] something that we just need to be concerned with. As as we look at industrial Saint Paul
[18:57] and on the opposite side of there's opportunities to create industrial land. And I
[19:01] know that the comp study that's coming out here does talk about potential for the
[19:05] opportunities to increase pedestrian land. It's just a meaningful part of Saint Pul
[19:10] that helps our property tax base. Another slide here that we talked about and I talked
[19:14] about this is that. Industrial land in the city of Saint Paul's actually a net
[19:20] contributor to the tax base and what that means in this slide is and we did take the
[19:24] city's budget into consideration and we looked at property taxes generated in
[19:30] industrial land in Saint Paul and we looked at services consumed by industrial land in
[19:35] Saint Paul and mathematically one dollar of services consumed by industrial land in
[19:43] Saint Paul actually generates a $1.80 in property taxes. What that means is that
[19:47] industrial intersection, that patch contributor to the city to the city of Saint Paul
[19:53] other uses and safe. So it benefits other uses in the city of Saint Paul. It
[19:56] actually can serve as a benefit. When we talk about affordable housing in Saint
[20:00] Paul, it can be a benefit. When we talk about planned. That is huge for our colleges
[20:05] and universities in our hospitals. It also benefits land. Parkland in Saint Paul
[20:11] right. All of those uses are important. And we're not saying that they're not
[20:15] important, but what we're saying is and what the study says is that and actually
[20:21] helps offset the cost of services that those those properties that are necessary
[20:24] in Saint Paul actually consume. Mathematically through tax formulas
[20:30] industrial land generates $14,000. More. In property taxes. Then then that a
[20:37] residential piece of property that 14 per $14,000 more per acres actually of 6.61% more
[20:44] in property taxes are generated. And industrial. And again, a number that is just
[20:50] number that is good to know because again, it that's a function of catch cpacity
[20:54] rates. And what happens in industrial land. again, just kind of in Samaria to just
[21:01] real and can be and is a net positive land use in the city of Saint Paul.
[21:06] We have a question from the side. >> Just a question of the 1.8%
[21:10] of parcels to make understanding of That's within the 6% of land. That is dust
[21:15] trail that can be developed. missing here. Most productive 3rd of that is that?
[21:23] >> Correct? council president make a councilmember Coleman. yet. So let me up the we talk
[21:31] about geographically the 6%. Let's see by acreage 6% is developable industrial. And
[21:37] then we talk about parcels that are developing through the entire city of Saint Paul.
[21:42] And 1.9% of parcels that are industrial in the city of Saint Paul generate 9.3% of
[21:48] the property taxes in Saint Paul. So 2 different ways of looking at the benefit that
[21:55] but industrial and can provide in a city like the city of Saint Paul to some extent.
[21:58] Yes, okay. >> To follow up because I don't think I'm completely
[22:03] clear. Does that mean that? 1.9% of all of the parcels in Saint Paul that are that have
[22:09] something on them. Our industry. Like is this all the industrial parcels that that
[22:16] is? Yes, because president a Kurd, the 1.9% parcels are industrial. They are the
[22:23] industrial properties that are actually generating property taxes in Saint Paul.
[22:32] >> One of the other findings that I talked about and I'm just going to went on so I can
[22:36] make I wanted in this slide here. When we talk about productive industrial performs
[22:44] other lands in Saint Paul. Oe of the things that I wanted to add, this is more of real-life
[22:51] what we're experiencing here now in Saint Paul, things that the Port Authority is working
[22:53] on. What we talk about the performance jobs and tax base. So so we are currently in the
[23:00] middle of 3 projects. We industrial projects in Saint Paul. 1, one of them right
[23:07] now. It was at the height I didn't know the council's familiar with this, but the
[23:09] Excel property. That is being actually finishing as we speak up at the Heights. So
[23:17] again, former golf course and should say that when the Port Authority acquired the golf
[23:22] course, property taxes generated on that golf course with less than $500,000. And
[23:26] there were no jobs on that on that site. And so we talked about the performance of
[23:32] industrial land. 54 Acres was reserved was rezoned a new industrial. Our first tenant
[23:36] moving in as we speak is Xcel Energy. 339,000 Square feet. building.
[23:45] 160 million dollars is what we believe that the and value will be generate and that
[23:50] that's going generate north of a million dollars in property taxes. So just one industrial
[23:55] property creating over 400 jobs on the site again. So when you think about the 20
[24:02] acres that is now excel and the property taxes generated and the jobs generated again,
[24:06] it goes. really is one of those real life examples about the benefit of having that
[24:11] work. There also goes into the conversation, too. If you saw the Pioneer Press talking
[24:16] about how industrial can work with residential, you you can be living in a habitat house
[24:23] right now looking across the street up at excel and not really and not think that
[24:27] you're in this old perception of steps, smokestacks and noise, pollution and air
[24:31] pollution. It's a beautiful building. It works well with the neighborhood and they're
[24:34] going to be great neighbors. And that was a big part of one of the messages we got out of
[24:38] here that they can be good neighbors, another property that is. And this is this is
[24:43] really happening as we speak. So for for commissioners, Johnson Yang, we will be
[24:50] bringing person next to Port Authority to what we call it 6. That is the industrial
[24:54] property just south of excel. We have a purchase agreement coming in front of the board.
[25:01] And the plan there is with developer coming in looking to build 125,000 Square feet over
[25:08] 20 million dollars in value and over $400,000 in property taxes and the goal there again
[25:12] is to meet our jobs requirement around at least one job per square foot. So
[25:18] again, another great when when we have the opportunity to bring industrial users. And
[25:22] finally, we've talked about Kmart here before. And again, Kmart, we are still working
[25:27] through the Kmart site, but our goals are lofty. But we do think that we are going to be
[25:32] able to bring 30 to 40 million dollars in value and north of a million dollars to maybe
[25:37] even closer to 2 million dollars in property tax at the Kmart site. All and again,
[25:44] appreciate the council and working with Sony to maintain maintain industrial zoning on
[25:48] that site so we can deliver on the jobs and tax base at the Kmart site. So they'll just
[25:51] comments that are more in real time as some of the sites come up. The other, the one of the
[26:00] other final findings we had in here and I talked about this is that the industrial jobs.
[26:06] Really our in-person jobs and again, that they do, they strengthen the local economy.
[26:10] And we we had pulled some stats on this in Seoul. When you think about in person,
[26:16] jobs, one of the things you find is that these industrial sites are primarily in-person
[26:21] occupation. So these are people are coming to work 5 days a week, sometimes more.
[26:28] They actually they actually correlate with higher tax revenues are. And there was a
[26:32] ripple effect in the neighborhood. Because people coming into work creates
[26:39] neighborhood vitality. And and we we work we work We pulled the study from the Bureau
[26:43] Statistics that talks about. The foot traffic and how that correlates to rent all that
[26:51] correlates to values and values and correlating to the value of property taxes. One
[26:56] other point that we want what we found in here. And that is the providing strong wages.
[27:02] The te talk about the median industrial sector wage and the jobs in these industries,
[27:09] comedian job hourly rate. It said $37 an hour. 76,000 $1 a year again. These are good
[27:14] jobs for the community and really can take they can support a family. And so
[27:21] another Not part of what we originally set out to study. But when of that, we became
[27:26] part of the study. We thought it was important to share. And we talked about the ripple Any
[27:35] questions on any of the refined. looking into some other examples here. Okay. So
[27:43] the next the next 2 sides will talk a little bit about some before and after some some of
[27:47] the land. That's that's a pub port authority worked to read redevelop in Saint Paul.
[27:54] Again, we talked about that. The simple part of for Port Authority Act against
[28:00] industrial land and will put will hit a Get new slide here. One of the questions we had.
[28:03] From various community members and other presentations we had or what are sme of the
[28:07] companies that you're talking about, who are some of the companies that we may or may
[28:11] not know exist in Saint Paul, who who's actually providing the jobs and the taxes in
[28:15] Saint Paul. And so we just took a sample of a lot a lot of our industrial users in
[28:22] Port authority, business centers and put together a pretty simple just
[28:25] she here for people to see, you know, the various companies that you may or may
[28:30] not know exist in Saint Paul in your wards, who are actually geat partners trust
[28:34] in Saint Paul and all of these are in our proper businesses in Saint Paul Business Center.
[28:38] So again, as you think of these and there are more we grab just a We grab some from
[28:44] all over the city and put them on the spreadsheet people can see. Yeah, the Wonder
[28:48] Stallions in the Summit Baldinger Bakery custom drywall and everything in
[28:54] between exist in Saint Paul and actually are great benefit to our city and they're
[29:00] industrially zoned properties. We've talked about this before, but just quickly
[29:08] through here. But when we talk about properties that that the Port Authority has worked we
[29:12] talk about Westminster Junction over on the east side.
[29:15] >> Port Authority acquired this property. There was 50 jobs on the $138,000 in
[29:22] property taxes. You can see it was a real switch aired before it was significantly severely
[29:28] contaminated. But then you move forward here. Westminster Junction today, 900 jobs, 2.6
[29:35] million dollars in property taxes and actually holes 16 different companies. Again,
[29:39] the benefits here again with the jobs and the tax base. And again, when you look at the
[29:45] building site here, these these again go back to the perception of of the
[29:51] smokestacks air pollution. And again, we work very closely with the mpca when we do our
[29:53] projects and so again, just getting people to understand the perception of as we create
[29:59] new industrial in Saint Paul. They are they're they're great neighbors and their benefit to
[30:03] the community. The Williamsville Business Center again, another another
[30:10] remarkable. Aside. And I should say, I know we've had several conversations.
[30:15] Westminster in Williamsville started off a stiff districts, no lnger artist district. So
[30:20] this is actually real property tax base in the city of Saint Paul.
[30:24] >> Williams, was a double over on the edge of downtown Saint Paul. 12 jobs, $80,000 in
[30:30] property taxes move forward to today. 450 jobs and 2.4 million dollars in property
[30:36] taxes. And again, that those property taxes are no longer in a tax increment district.
[30:41] So they are definite benefit to our property tax burden in Saint Paul.
[30:47] >> One lst one. And this is also important to Energy Park. And this is an old project in
[30:50] Saint In the Port Authority's history Saint Paul Port Authority Choir. when we
[30:56] acquired it, it was the a Superfund site. So we have lot of to partners to create this
[31:04] when we acquired there was no jobs and no tax base moving forward. And again, one of the
[31:09] reasons we added this is you look for look at it now over 5700 jobs here on Energy Park.
[31:18] 93 companies 0.5 million dollars in property taxes. But just as important and talks
[31:26] about how and industry can actually be a good neighbor to housing and residential. All
[31:31] this also contains 780 housing units. Again, not dissimilar to what we're working on at
[31:36] the Heights to Hillcrest Golf Course. What we're talking about 1000 jobs and 1000
[31:40] housing units 12 Acres. Again, just again to the perception that we. and industrial can
[31:48] coexist. really the. It kind of to summarize a lot about what I've been talking about.
[31:56] I think the dad in the world all come July. We talk about industrial land pretty sheen.
[32:02] Excellent fiscal returns in our city. We talk about that title. Industrial land can
[32:08] actually become it actually engine. And there are opportunities in Saint Paul
[32:11] that we have our eye on it at the Port Authority. It's difficult to talk about them
[32:14] because they're under private control now are under other control. And and, you know, we
[32:21] like to be their opportunity ready to take them on and create these results. And then
[32:25] finally, we talked about modern industrial development. It creates jobs. But it also
[32:32] isn't what we were creating 100 years ago or 50 years ago. Davis. re great job in Gray -
[32:40] >> talked about that industrial and can create tax stability in the city of Saint
[32:44] Paul. >> And when you create catch stability, you can also create
[32:50] more affordable. >> wages, you can create wages and you can
[32:52] >> create a benefit to the property. Catch from the city. >> Again, we we'd like to
[32:59] close with some of the staff to tlk about the in the financial engine again against
[33:03] these. These have been all moments for us when we talk about that 1.0, 9% of the
[33:06] park's history, almost 10% of the property tax base. So it is an asset and Saint Paul
[33:13] and, you know, around our mission, we're looking to try and preserve and make sure
[33:19] that there day first opportunities in Saint Paul to create catch bass. Also to
[33:24] help assist with our parks, our affordable housing at our colleges, universities and
[33:29] hospitals that don't pay property taxes. So with that, I can stand for any questions.
[33:37] >> Thanks so much, Mr. Really? I really appreciate the presentation. I have one
[33:39] question and then I'll let my colleagues for sure there are others. Hearing the loud and
[33:45] clear on the value of industrial land. And I think it's helpful to have the
[33:48] updated data to back that up. I'm wondering what policy recommendations you would have
[33:53] for this body to actually ensure that we preserve industrial. And because I
[33:57] think it's one thing to say it and have sort of heads nodding about it. It's another thing
[34:00] to do it. And it's another thing in particular to do it when there are other competing
[34:06] demands, as you said, not just in theory, but in practice. We had a recent example. I know
[34:10] that you and I corresponded about where there's interest in developing industrial
[34:13] parcel affordable housing. And it's a situation where there was a private sale it's
[34:21] already bought and we could sort of thank you from the table and insist that we're
[34:25] not going to subsidize any affordable housing on land that was industrial. Questions
[34:30] arise as to well, this has been on the market and there weren't any industrial buyers.
[34:36] And so how do either proactively as a matter of policy or when responding to a
[34:41] specific competing interests site. Further, the goal of preserving industrial right.
[34:48] Thank you. Council president Baker, members of the City Council.
[34:51] >> That it's a great question. And so many thoughts about how to approach this.
[35:03] I got to tell you, we started out this going, you know what, we're going to do and we're
[35:05] going to work really hard. At the end of the day, we're going to get
[35:07] an ordinance that says no net loss of industrial I don't necessarily think that's
[35:10] probably the right answer. But one of the one of the goals here was to create
[35:18] awareness about this aset we have in the city of Saint Paul and the trend line that we're
[35:23] on. But for the increase of 54 acres at the Heights with industrial. And we've been on
[35:28] the trend line that has been decreasing and just rules on land soul and I'll get to more
[35:36] of this. a couple of the things that that have been beneficial in this study
[35:39] right, one is is creating awareness of this to our policymakers rate. The city
[35:44] council to the Port Authority board to the community about what industrial land is and
[35:47] what it isn't in working with your your staff and PD and you're zoning group and the
[35:54] people who are going to work on the comp plan understanding in in a future comp plan about
[36:00] the benefit of industrial. what we have seen so far is that there's actually a call
[36:05] in the comp plan to increase industrial into. How do we do that? That's what we'll have
[36:07] to do. Another finding we had here is. own industrial zoning. Doesn't preclude
[36:17] putting how putting multi-family it. Residential changing things to
[36:25] residential. Other zonings does eliminate the opportunity for us to actually do
[36:29] industrial development in certain property. So again, another takeaway to think
[36:34] about, as we think about what does the future of Saint Paul look like? What does and what
[36:41] you know when decisions come know and again, the example you're talking
[36:45] about, it's a difficult that was a difficult one to talk about because when you're
[36:48] talking about the property, you're talking what you're talking about. A couple acres
[36:51] right? A couple acres doesn't really help as far as the kind of users were looking at. We
[36:56] need 10 acre parcels, right. 10 acre per stone exist in Saint Paul. But if there, if
[37:01] you look at those parcels and then you look at the neighboring parcels, is there
[37:06] the opportunity for an agency like the Saint Paul Port Authority to to acquire those
[37:09] properties like we have? 23 or 25 other times in Saint Paul to create 10 acre plots and
[37:13] Saint Paul. So I guess creating the awareness of what this is and heavy policymakers
[37:24] know that that this was a great benefit in Saint Paul. As far as our tax burden is as
[37:32] Precluding arbitrarily precluding, like if you're it like I'm not going rezoned
[37:36] things because its industrial and I'm not going on at last then you or pain having
[37:40] somebody pay money to rezone. mean, the pain, the money is a one-time ting. We're talking
[37:45] about asset that that we need to preserve and build on that if that creates money today,
[37:51] but also money into the future for property taxes and jobs. And so I think I think without
[37:57] trying to answer a question that's really hard to in 5 or 10 minutes. I think more to
[38:00] come. Now. I appreciate that. And I would say I think we would all really hungry for
[38:08] appreciate policy recommendations, especially if it's not known loss of
[38:10] industrial. I think we've heard about before, what would those be?
[38:13] >> I would just say one quick thing that comes to mind as you were speaking was perhaps
[38:16] if the if industrial land can be used for lower intensity uses. As you're saying, maybe
[38:26] one midway point is to not rezone industrial land but to allow it to be ued for
[38:29] another lower intensity uses, keeping the industrial zoning. I'm sure there's lots of
[38:32] downsides to that. An RPD staff are probably like stop talking right now. But
[38:34] >> that might be. That might be one way of maybe squaring the circle and not cutting off
[38:40] that Future. As you both Johnson vice president thing. Thank you, council president
[38:46] and thank separately for being here today. >> I really appreciated being
[38:50] able to kind of go through that reminder and I hear you on just the importance of
[38:55] raising awareness right now around that. I don't necessarily, I guess I've to
[39:00] for questions, one of them and that this is be sure if you know, off the top of your
[39:03] head. But it's something that I'd actually be really interested understanding. S
[39:07] recognize with the slide that just talks about 50% of the industrial land is
[39:10] developable. Of that 50%. I'm just really curious as to how much is developed. We've had
[39:18] the county in front of us that has talked to just like how much of our current land is
[39:23] developed and residential property in residential and some of those stats that think
[39:27] are really important. But I think it's also important for folks and policymakers to
[39:30] understand just like. So Vargas or land is developable is develop. And just I want
[39:38] just kind of what I know to like. What percentage but its currently developed. We have
[39:42] that. >> all about that due to part of it is.
[40:04] >> And going forward come on up to the mikes just so we can get for millions of viewers at
[40:06] home and on YouTube. Yes, I think that that's just going to be really, I think just
[40:11] getting the full picture of that, you know, from the especially for folks that
[40:14] maybe don't always look at the industrial and availability every day getting a sense of
[40:19] the private privately owned by says publicly owned and also utilized and would be really
[40:24] helpful just tonight. If it's in economic analysis. I oppose having not the full chance to
[40:30] through that as a separate question I just I'm learning from your experience as well.
[40:36] And I know that there's a reason why conversation around industrial I I love
[40:40] opportunities in which we have here at the city of Saint Paul to compete with our regional
[40:44] partners as well in regional cities. And so I'm just wondering just from the market
[40:50] and what you're how how to Saint Paul continue to be that place that can see a tense
[40:55] seek out all of these industry partners, but also way and market of bringing folks to PA
[41:01] special people were looking to, I don't know, say migrate from Minneapolis come across
[41:05] of the bright side of the Mississippi River. But, you know, just the people that are
[41:09] looking, what is the recommendation from ad, especially knowing that we
[41:12] have suburban pressures as well? >> Council Acre Councilmember
[41:16] Johnson. One thing I would start with is Saint Paul. We are in place that industrial
[41:26] developers would like to come and there's a couple reasons for that. One is we have
[41:32] access to a great workforce in the city of Saint Paul. Right? And we also have great
[41:37] opportunities for education. We have a great park system its we are. We
[41:43] and excellent community to live in one of the challenges that we hear you is again, we
[41:49] are we are by and large are built out city. And industrial developers are looking for
[41:55] parcels that are larger than what we currently have in our inventory. And so that becomes
[41:59] a challenge. And this council I know has heard me say many times. We need to be
[42:05] opportunity ready. The good news is we have somewhat opportunity ready because we
[42:11] do have a site over at the Kmart site that is going to be a great opportunity and a
[42:17] great site for an industrial developer. We had 54 acres at the Heights right challenge
[42:24] now at the height is going to be the first 20 acres is built the next 12 Acres is gonna go
[42:30] under a purchase agreement. So again, we become limited again to the opportunities. And so
[42:36] what I would say is, as we think about this and you understand, start to
[42:38] understand the value i is is really it comes again as Austin, Saint Paul Port
[42:44] Authority as a partner. What are the next opportunity sites in the city of Saint Paul and
[42:50] how do we get out ahead of those? And there are a couple that we talked about actually
[42:53] talked about West track right? So we've hd conversations. Several of us have had
[42:57] conversations about West track. struck is a great spot. Yes, could be a great spot for
[43:04] housing, there's going to there's significant challenges on West Truck site for
[43:08] residential with with things that have happened over the past 100 as a paper mill. But
[43:12] just having the information knowing that 40 acres is undesirable and it's a great
[43:18] location with transportation on the highways. All that I have no doubt that that is
[43:23] opportunity in Saint Paul to create industrial jobs and industrial tax And we've been
[43:30] in that conversation. We've got properties and opportunities down occurred
[43:34] out. Dow is on the river. It's it's on the river, bt it doesn't have river access. As
[43:39] we sit here today. But it is adjacent to Port Authority River tenants in river
[43:43] properties. And we have been in many conversations that still held by the private
[43:50] sector. But we are looking forward to the opportunity to be the governmental publicly
[43:56] between the state, the feds, the county and the city to try and work to try and get jobs
[44:01] and tax based to get outside again. So it really is. It really is. We have the people.
[44:08] We have the benefits. We have the amenities that are required. You just need to
[44:12] make sure that we're having a concentrated effort to acquire and Properties that are big
[44:20] enough for industrial users to come to. So and again, goes back to opportunity, Ready.
[44:24] Thank you, Mr. Hurley, given that we have about 4 minutes left in the entire
[44:27] presentation. I think gonna do is ask my colleagues ask questions and comments wanted
[44:32] it one after another and then have you do a closing response to So?
[44:37] >> nice present. the council President Preston, really thank you for the
[44:43] presentation. It was informative, inspiring as well. And really hopeful about
[44:45] the future. See Impala specially as we continue to be in partnership with the port.
[44:51] >> I have just a couple of questions. I'm wondering if we were to maximize the
[44:56] >> potential in terms of industrial land. That's developable. What do you think
[45:00] that looks like even like just estimate in terms of the minimum property tax
[45:04] generation that could bring Saint Paul. And then we've been talking a bit of all AI
[45:08] data centers. I was curious that that considered light industrial. And coach and then
[45:10] just rep of your questions and comments and we'll go to get Mine is sort of the summary of
[45:20] the asks that her cousin. >> really interested in sort of connecting tese questions.
[45:26] It like, what are all of the parcels that we have? But we actually have that can be
[45:31] developed, and then heard the great sort of reframing. Then the next filter is what's
[45:37] maybe, you know, underdeveloped versus underutilized. And then where
[45:40] opportunity to nutty sites. And I think that will lead to the question. The council vice
[45:43] president and he's asking is like once you filter through those and the ones that were
[45:47] sort of like targeting and then gives us more of like an intentional focus on what
[45:53] parcels have the greatest opportunity. What is a certain tax opportunity that the city
[45:57] has and then just take a tiny second to say, like the Kmart site is if you look, the only
[46:02] opportunity for Ward 5 to develop industry Atlanta country to our tax base. And
[46:08] I'm very committed to being industrial. job springing and like, yeah, turn turn on and
[46:14] activate that headspace. And I just will continue to reiterate that for my
[46:16] colleagues when it comes for council. Exactly right. Ali is line. Thanks, Miss Any other
[46:23] festivals only. >> Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. 2 questions.
[46:28] One quick, which is just how we're doing look at peer cities regionally or In terms
[46:33] of how much of our land is invest. So some care. So that and then second is probably
[46:39] not answerable in the 2. And so we have that that and the point about under developed
[46:45] industrial. It is super interesting. feels like there's a lot of places more
[46:50] for that. That would apply westrock obviously being one of them. So if thinking about
[46:55] kind of policy recommendations moving forward, obviously there's this question what
[46:57] chair beside me for just early in the city and also really interested in what policies
[47:01] can be incentivizing the type of industrial development that we want to see. Obviously,
[47:05] again, lot of us have this conversation of Westrock of. Not all indust industries
[47:10] created equal. And so how do we get sort of that really, truly tax generating job
[47:16] creating not harmful to the environment like that high in the sky. Best case scenario.
[47:21] And really, really just a moment to the policies we could be developing effect.
[47:27] Alas, questions or comments as we let us really respond to all of those right
[47:33] unfortunately, we're out of Yeah. >> We have a
[47:37] >> So. Couple president, major city council members, all of your questions are things that
[47:44] we are near and dear to the staple Art. And I appreciate the opportunity to actually
[47:50] come back at another time to talk about some of these things. I know my team here
[47:53] has taken note on the questions Again, one of the things that I would reiterate
[48:00] is part of our work plan. really twofold. One to be identifying the next
[48:07] opportunities for industrial off the industrial to redevelopment opportunities in
[48:10] the city of Saint Paul. 2 is to actually figure out how we can get those under local
[48:18] control to b opportunity ready for when that next user calls. Again, I can't
[48:27] emphasize enough that the competitive advantage we have here in Saint Paul's our
[48:31] access to work for centre, access to amenities all and it's just some days. It's just
[48:37] unfortunate that when people call me, we're never going to be able to to look to live or
[48:40] the 150 acre campus and save all that for an industrial user. But a lot of the calls
[48:47] were chief development officer is getting are around, you know, medical manufacturing
[48:53] and things like that create that are All job opportunities and great tax base. So again,
[48:59] there are there's more to come. It's part of the Saint Paul Port Authority work plan
[49:02] to do this soul all were on it and I'd love to come back and talk more about it. One thing
[49:10] I would say I don't know if it was Councilmember Yang, a cult member, Kim, those talking
[49:13] about it. But as as a city council begins discussions around data centers in Saint
[49:20] Paul. I'm hopeful that we can have a seat at the table to talk about data centers
[49:25] because there are pros and cons right to data centers in me. Center's data centers are
[49:29] going to create some much-needed catch baseball all in some of the properties we
[49:36] control right now. Those are not the that we have been looking for. A because our
[49:40] commitment to the community here at K Mark at the height has been not only creating tax
[49:46] base but also creating quality jobs. And so that bing said, I do think there is
[49:52] opportunities within limitations to try and create opportunities as parts of
[49:59] projects or parts of weeks hiring. Best use type analysis, which could actually
[50:03] bring catch page to places that would never probably bring jobs as part of other
[50:08] projects. So hopefully we can be part of that conversation. Is a city council deliberates
[50:11] on that, too. So. >> Thank you so much, Mr. Hurley for passing
[50:16] presentation. It sounds like we a lot more to come. You have our attention and you
[50:22] have some very specific questions for follow-up. So we look forward to hearing back
[50:25] from you either via email or were happy to find time for another presentation to
[50:28] especially if they're specific policy recommendations that you want to bring forward, Mr.
[50:32] Green Field, can you make sure to invite Mr? Hurley to the policy session on data centers
[50:35] which is coming up. Thank you so much. >> Thank Thank you for your
[50:40] time. And we will have that gently too. Wilson and parts can. Would you like this one
[50:48] up as ship's staff? Yeah, I don't have anything terribly specific, but essentially
[50:55] this. >> idea came way of one of my constituents tat it's really
[51:00] interested in sort of how we connect the great parks and rec systems that we have here
[51:06] in the cities with some community opportunities like Mobile sinus. There's examples
[51:11] of few in the states. I want to be very clear, very distinctively different than
[51:17] sort of what is being considered in Minneapolis. And and so I've got Director
[51:22] Rodriguez and angelic to come kind of talk about where we've identified opportunities and
[51:29] where it might sit for consideration if this is something that the council
[51:31] would be interested in taking on. Essentially call way to potentially recreate and Saint
[51:37] Paul. So and yell at you There are no slides just for >> Thanks, council. President
[51:42] council members appreciate the note on just what our park system is today is ash
[51:47] actually national parks So we ranked number 4 in the country today. So that information was
[51:55] released where pretty much deadlock with Minneapolis is at number 3 and then DC
[52:00] remains number one, but they kind of cheat. so maybe we can. one of the things that
[52:08] makes our park system so great is our ability adapt to trends as you outlined, right? So
[52:11] there is a strong demand for mobile site is within our system. And we're seeing a lot
[52:15] of surrounding park agencies adopt new policies and framework to allow those o
[52:21] Parkland. So we've research that we have a framework for parks to management to manage
[52:25] it on Parkland. But there is a dsi ordinance kind of consideration that that needs
[52:32] to occur. So I'm gonna turn it over to. Dan is from Dsi to elaborate further on that. And
[52:37] then all implementation, >> As Mister Nadella comes up at the risk of seeming like a
[52:42] sauna neophyte. What is a mobile >> And mobile sauna is for
[52:47] those that don't know. Great question. Council president is essentially a wheels,
[52:53] something that can it's not brick and mortar. It's something that can travel from
[52:57] space to space. Sometimes it shows up on a trailer. They vary in size. You see some of
[53:02] them and residential backyard more commercial across the Minneapolis Park board has
[53:10] many. They kind of have a sauna, a village per se one of their on a mobile framework
[53:17] can travel from space to space. >> Thank you. In just one
[53:20] follow-up visit typically lke and individual sized summer or multiple people. And is it
[53:27] just the phone itself or is it also sort of a sauna? Complex where you would like go in and
[53:33] sign and use this on it's usually just like a sauna not where you're signing in, but
[53:37] they might have an online platform for reservations and other things. And it will talk
[53:41] about that piece in the implementation. But it's on. >> Very much meant for like
[53:46] groups small groups I don't think we would have like an individual based but i would
[53:50] be more for friends gathering and hanging out in the space for a duration of time. Thank
[54:01] you. Director comes president good morning and thanks for the update is do a quick
[54:04] presentation. >> Parks all this fun stuff and then sidewalks and the
[54:11] Energy Here's a party boat bad at >> So we're very excited, but
[54:14] really enjoying the partnership with Parks and that's been One of those when
[54:18] we have a partner like this, we can keep regulations very simple and life because we
[54:22] know we have a partner that's going effectively manage the property because you'll see
[54:26] the tractor and therefore, we know it's going to be well. So what we're looking is to
[54:32] create a new chapter similar to capture for 27, which is basically health clubs and
[54:36] sports funds. But it would be a mobile sauna. Captor, very simply laying out making sure
[54:41] we're protecting health and safety and having all the expectations and standards it
[54:46] the president, he would get the license dsi for each of the individual placements for
[54:52] the locations and times they would get a permit through the parks department, ideas, the
[54:57] operational stuff would be done by parks until they would say we're gonna operate here
[55:00] here here. They would attest to that. They're going to meet the standards as set up
[55:04] ordinance for their license and then parks would oversee the actual permit we would be
[55:11] overseeing the operations in transit from a health and safety standpoint. Our idea is
[55:15] to create a TNC model. So when they on an annual basis, they would be telling us what's
[55:21] their equipment, house and meet all the standards, whether operations just like
[55:24] we do for transportation network companies. So they would have high expectations
[55:29] of basically managing their there's their units as it is. And then from tere, we would
[55:33] monitor what's nice, but a license if they choose not to provide the health and safety
[55:39] stuff as opposed to for work with parks in the operational, we couldn't pull the license
[55:44] away from. So got license is really just to make sure they understand the city of Saint
[55:46] Paul is serious about it. We are going to have very effective standards but
[55:52] standards that really reflect the mobile nature of it. And the fact that it's the park
[55:55] setting way. S fairly straightforward, We're just Make sure Manship Annika
[56:02] Shafer for the city attorney's office who will be wrking us on the language. She's been
[56:07] doing a great job working with us some other language, but really trying to make it user
[56:10] friendly. But making sure we're upholding the health and safety of the residents of
[56:13] city of Saint Paul. Thank you. president and counsel president.
[56:18] >> I think you will for the presentation today. This is a topic that hasn't come up my
[56:23] word for force. I just want to shine getting from lake on the same page at the also. It
[56:27] sounds like people who own the most honest they'll want to turn it into a business. So
[56:31] that's why even they would need the licensing just so that we can regulate Is that
[56:34] correct? And then? Inches up usually have part parks plan can they be out on the public
[56:45] street to get so wondering if we're setting any sort of regulations that are on that
[56:48] too. >> Council president council very good question. This is
[56:54] really a starting. And so we're starting on parks, property and not elsewhere.
[56:58] The ideas. Let's really try. There's been a I'm the director. Talk about that. The
[57:02] band that's been out there. The idea is that we have the center out there with mobile.
[57:06] Sana state would like to utilize that. This would be a great afternoon for Saint Paul
[57:11] to see how the mobile side as by parks property only but it will be set up that way
[57:14] strict. >> And just as a public, I was wondering people who own
[57:21] these, they are interested in turning it into a business. Is that right?
[57:24] >> Council president council member, yes, a majority of them are. Businesses already
[57:29] established. Some are trying to get up and running. But some like a mention in
[57:32] Minneapolis and other suburban cities are already operating that want operate in Saint
[57:36] Paul. But we have a defined application process and we also have a revenue share.
[57:41] Agreements are probably 10% of the gross revenue that they generate along with insurance
[57:47] and and dumb enough occasion requirements, operational rules as it wood-burning
[57:50] things like that. And then the site placement matters talk about like on the street in
[57:58] the park. So we want to make sure that on a hard surface or a durable surface, per to make
[58:02] sure that we're alleviating any concerns. >> A question in Stockton and
[58:06] also case. >> Thank you, director. dad. I Echo Council very yang
[58:14] sentiments in the sense that I haven't necessarily heard this to pick my ward either. But I
[58:20] know that there is Parkland throughout the city. My question for you really just
[58:25] stems from like what the city is going what we're doing on our into to prepare for it,
[58:30] sort of liability that would come from that step as well. Like are we carrying? Are you
[58:35] planning to carry on insurance? we have different policies that are. Different
[58:39] things that we're placing on these applicants. But just what I hear about that, I just
[58:44] wonder what we are also going to do in our and to prepare for that. And just to prevent
[58:47] any sort of liability t ourselves cause president customer. That's a great
[58:54] Usually for any benders that we work with. We require insurance.
[58:59] >> 2 within any agreement. So that's about I think at about 1.5 million, if I remember
[59:04] correctly, 3 million aggregate. So there are insurance requirements assess
[59:08] any risks with the implementation. That's and that is the vendors
[59:13] requirement that they >> Okay. So we're required to carry or own.
[59:19] >> Council president council members at as a city where self-insured so like the
[59:24] insurance requirements land about for the better. >> I really appreciate
[59:33] questions doesn't surprise that not a of calls on Here we are. thanks for things for the
[59:39] consideration, everyone. But I and trees and if you're willing to share, you know
[59:44] that there's a limited number of sites parks already sort of like identified even as
[59:49] opportunities. Are you willing to kind of share where those 2 sites might be?
[59:56] >> Council president council member? actually 3, would be regional park Lilydale
[1:00:02] regional Park failing regional park would be of what I would call the 3 pilot locations.
[1:00:07] And then just assessing how things operate. And if a drive for expansion or demand in
[1:00:13] other words or park specific locations, we can assess those. But there are some site
[1:00:17] variables to consider other things. So but we would start in the regional parks. Yeah.
[1:00:22] And and just as a quick follow-up, one assumption that I made in this conversation
[1:00:25] with that was that there was like a cold funds component. >> And I don't think anyone I
[1:00:29] think everyone here knowing what Como Lake is, it's a storm water system. And so
[1:00:34] like there's not there's not a Copeland's component. That is like a separate thing. But
[1:00:39] like, you know, feeling is an interesting one because they could potentially walk, you
[1:00:42] know, into the lake for that component. But yeah, just you know, there's there's 2
[1:00:47] potential sites. And can you speak a little bit about the conversation we also had
[1:00:51] around staffing who might be responsible for staffing the sauna as well there in
[1:00:56] operation. Yeah cuts President Council member of my recollection is correct. And I
[1:01:00] may look to Tyler on this. But again, that would be another vendor responsibility in terms
[1:01:05] of having staff on site. It wouldn't be a south flat activity per se. They would
[1:01:09] have to have someone there to monitor for safety regulations.
[1:01:13] >> And >> Thank you for Can I have this image in my mind of talc
[1:01:17] led individuals running place and there's parks questions. So I believe the location
[1:01:20] matters. Thank you. >> Thank you. Council director I have 3 questions. One
[1:01:30] because have you been considering where have you been hearing from vendors
[1:01:34] interest in? >> A mobile center near Highland Park or Highland Pool
[1:01:38] in that area. And then second question. >> Is I know we're in the very
[1:01:43] early stages of this were talking about vendors. But has there been any discussion
[1:01:46] parks or the city owning and operating a mobile sauna. And then last question, are there
[1:01:54] any sign in parks buildings right now? I'm only aware of the one at Oxford.
[1:02:02] >> Call to President council Highland hs been talked about nothing to find yet, but with
[1:02:05] the pool and the city and just a large amount of space over there, it can definitely be a
[1:02:09] bit hunter, potential future location, specific to existing saunas. Yes, Oxford is only
[1:02:15] indoor sauna that we have within our system. And for the question on owning and
[1:02:21] operating our own, we have not had that w have a game truck and other things right Take a
[1:02:28] lot of resources. I don't think we at mobile site and to our fleet, unfortunately, but
[1:02:32] might rely on the vendors for that. >> Just one quick
[1:02:41] >> The >> 10% revenue share is that standard seems low. Council
[1:02:47] president council members other for to Tyler on that. speak to the revenue revenue
[1:02:52] share. Peace telling McKean is a supervisor within our shop that oversees all of our
[1:02:55] agreements throughout the department. We have 100 and >> 50 ish. So. And put another
[1:03:00] way. What's the demand? >> Yeah, thank you, director. I agree is and council
[1:03:06] president council members 10% revenue share is kind of the standard that we go after in
[1:03:13] agreements with for profit operators on Parkland. >> That can vary once we get
[1:03:19] into negotiations and you know what we're ultimately trying to do is come up with a
[1:03:26] relationship that's going to be successful for all parties. So we give ourselves some
[1:03:30] wiggle room there, but 10% revenue share of gross revenue is what we tried to start with
[1:03:36] with all for-profit operations. >> Thank you. I would just say
[1:03:40] I think it's important especially for something like this where as you're hearing,
[1:03:43] not necessarily a ton of demand, perhaps from constituents at the moment,
[1:03:48] maybe more from the vendors. I think it would be important for us to be competitive with
[1:03:51] the rates. The percent revenue share that those vendors are pained. Other municipality is
[1:03:58] not necessarily with their percentages for other operators of other things.
[1:04:04] >> call to President councilmember to just to add to that, like we we have hard
[1:04:07] from residents just throughout Saint Paul of like why like a Minneapolis to this and others
[1:04:11] can. Why do you have this in our park? So it's not just offenders, but has been
[1:04:13] inquiry over time from residents about these types of amenities and in general just
[1:04:21] broaden the scope. But how do we get more vendors in our parks for different things,
[1:04:25] right, whether it's mobile sauna bike rental operation and things like that is
[1:04:30] something that looking at holistically across our original park system from
[1:04:34] revenue generation standpoint, activation for Houston, just making sure that we're keeping
[1:04:40] up with trends that we're seeing another location. Thank Miss Coleman.
[1:04:45] >> Thank you. super stoked about this. least one port for president really wants the
[1:04:52] This is really just asked a question. Do you all have any sense of like what will take
[1:04:59] in Minneapolis? How accessible is this thinking about, you know, that?
[1:05:02] >> The average person's can be able to join in that. On a weekly basis or is this like
[1:05:07] $100 per session? really have no sense of what that look like.
[1:05:13] >> Council president council members, Im definitely not $100 per session. I think if
[1:05:17] you want private exclusive exclusive use for a couple hours to ration, you might be
[1:05:21] getting into that her territory. But I think they usually reticent about 30 till
[1:05:26] one-hour blocks it's very reasonable price. We could follow up with some breakdowns
[1:05:30] vendors and what we've seen across the metro. >> Let's see if things turn
[1:05:37] green as a sauna to see a second speaking a little going to talk. Hopkins jointly
[1:05:42] operates on pH. And that is $25 for an individual session that those 90 minutes or
[1:05:47] reserve it for a $250 to get up to 12 people as part of that reservations. So there's
[1:05:52] like a block element. And then the one that I believe Director Rodriguez referring
[1:05:58] to, Apple says that get are worth this part of trailhead there with the cross-country
[1:06:01] skiing. And so that is I think the 6.12, sauna cooperated that operates, that like. I
[1:06:09] think a couple years ago. But a 90 minute sessions like 50 to $60. And that was like part
[1:06:13] of a public booking. But it had a lot more amenities like the changing room at the at
[1:06:19] the trip and that type of thing. So it's a little more expensive.
[1:06:23] >> We have a subject matter fishing to say I 3 say progress and I think that's a
[1:06:35] really great question point because like should this? >> If there's interest, I
[1:06:40] would like to move forward but more so as an opportunity, see if it's a good thing for the
[1:06:45] city. And if it turns out like this is something that is like, you know, expands our
[1:06:50] part resources draws people in space. That's when we can kind of talk more about the
[1:06:55] different amenities that we could connect potentially too. >> mobile sites?
[1:07:02] >> Because of the ones that you're talking about, 10 also mobile or they see and they
[1:07:08] like stationary, the one at Hawkins, a stationary, but it's it's winter. So it runs
[1:07:11] from late November to March and they cut a hole in the lake. And then the one I
[1:07:16] believe that worth as mobile. But like they because to cooperate, if they can go to
[1:07:21] different locations, heard of other vendors like Director Rodriguez talk. so also a
[1:07:27] former council president that inquires everyone swallow. Yes, she She does. She was the
[1:07:31] foreign terrorists U.S. hitting. So I think kind of given the interest of the
[1:07:36] people, I think I'm going to move forward staff to potentially identify some
[1:07:42] proposals, seeing nods and we'll kind of brings and graphs that to my colleagues
[1:07:45] and kind of see where the interests was. Really appreciate the time present EU
[1:07:52] Council president. I want to say thank you council Rick him for putting this topic to our
[1:07:56] policy committee. I know you talked about the club plans maybe remember that earlier
[1:08:00] this year when he went to Chicago. I did go to my first ever mobile site and there's
[1:08:05] the cold plunge came under. What? What lake? It was that. But it was really fun. And it
[1:08:08] was a great way for people to go to that park and just get introduced to it. So I think
[1:08:12] this is a great way for us to get more people to come to our parks and then also drive up
[1:08:18] entrepreneurship, inner city to sell. It's very exciting and very supportive of it
[1:08:23] looking forward hopefully getting the stuff the cuncil again.
[1:08:26] >> Some council vice president council president council members also just noting we're
[1:08:32] focusing on mobile saunas on land. But there are mobile sinus on the river and other
[1:08:37] things. So like, I don't know if that's in our future right now. But right now our focus
[1:08:40] is on the ground, but just want to call that out as well. >> Thanks, thanks. As
[1:08:49] president, I will be enthusiasm even didn't seem like it earlier. I do think
[1:08:51] this would be a very opportunity. I will say also for millions of YouTube
[1:08:54] subscribers home are listening to this part of the purpose of policy committee is to
[1:09:00] daylight issues that we are considering. And so if you've heard this discussion today
[1:09:03] and you're excited almost an hour, not excited. Are you somewhere between just some
[1:09:06] ideas? Are you know how much they cost in other jurisdictions you let us know
[1:09:11] because it's helpful to get that feedback as this came in as we you know, considering
[1:09:15] bringing this forward. I do just want to hammer home the fact that I want to make sure
[1:09:21] that we are getting ready share that fully covers her costs in this competitive with
[1:09:23] other jurisdictions. I know you Mr. Person put in a ton of time in these negotiations and
[1:09:29] that staff time is valuable. And so I just want to make sure that it is both great
[1:09:32] residents and also a good deal for us. Any final comments on the topic? Okay. Thanks much.
[1:09:43] Appreciate And looks like we will be seeing something coming for for more 5, thanks
[1:09:46] for your leadership. >> With that, we have one last the breaking item. I think
[1:09:52] it's going to be lot of interest to all of us, which is Iran, a special legislative
[1:09:55] update for hard-working intergovernmental relations director.
[1:09:58] >> Thank you. Look like you've got some sleep maybe in the last 48 hours you look fresh.
[1:10:06] Thanks, Madam Chair. Actually, it's great to be with you this morning. Hi, everybody. And
[1:10:10] thanks to him for helping me out here. >> This too, is a breaking
[1:10:13] slide deck right? Jennifer Rourke and the director of government relations here at
[1:10:19] the city. And I've always found that doing a legislative update for the client right
[1:10:25] after session. Kind of makes for the sharing mre late breaking things with you as
[1:10:29] opposed to finding out. >> From others gives us a chance to dialogue that I can
[1:10:33] only follow-up the details for you later. So really, the purpose of today is just to
[1:10:47] explain. >> You know, explain the lst couple of months. Talk about
[1:10:51] where and how we landed on a number of key topics that in the platform that all passed
[1:10:55] on February. 11th. >> I did not provide copies of that today. I can for sure.
[1:11:02] Send it around. Later it was about think a 5 page document I used to quite a bit to go
[1:11:07] back and forth because we didn't quite a bit of policy in projects in that I at You
[1:11:14] know, looking back, we picked up and ran with really quickly. I started on February
[1:11:19] 2nd and then session started on Fbruary. 11th. >> February. I-70 and in
[1:11:24] between February, 11th, council passed a >> So I'm going go through
[1:11:41] kind of system highlights and the lay of the land feel free to stop me any time for
[1:11:48] questions. Session did time. Oftentimes they do go into special session usually in the
[1:11:51] second year, Biennium like this one they do end on time. The final camels were around
[1:11:59] midnight on Sunday. Well, Monday was the last technical day of session. They can't
[1:12:03] pass bills on that final day. The second year biennium. So they usually say that for
[1:12:07] retirement speeches and whatnot. The retirements from about 46 legislators a good
[1:12:15] chunk of those are moving on not coming back retiring for their time in the legislator
[1:12:20] Legislature. There are those who are going on for a different office be moving
[1:12:25] over are hoping to move over into the Senate. I was able to listen to a lot of speeches on
[1:12:30] the House side. >> On Monday. And if you're into that kind of thing, Id
[1:12:34] be glad to circulate a link to that there are quite a few and >> Kind of sweet. I listen
[1:12:44] Senator Pappas is for the last image. And as you might guess, gets a little emotional for
[1:12:48] some people when they're doing that. Bt she ended with the phrase about encouraging her
[1:12:55] colleagues to work on democracy. And I just thought that was really poignant. And
[1:12:57] the times that we're in right now. >> It ws a year for a lot of
[1:13:01] election year. Politics. There are lots references to certain people not wanting to move
[1:13:07] forward certain provisions because they wanted to wait until next year thinking that
[1:13:12] they be in a situation where they it did not have a tie in the house and a majority of
[1:13:15] one in the Senate. But we saw that play out quite a bit. one thing that does kind flow with
[1:13:23] election year politics is just the bonding bill. And I'll get to more of that in my next
[1:13:29] slide. But I always felt like there would be a bonding bill. And it was that that I'm
[1:13:33] always an optimistic person, but it was very much a kind of glass half full in terms of
[1:13:38] this legislative session, just like with enough people like Senator Pappas, the governor
[1:13:43] and ohers are retiring or not coming back. That whole lot of people would want to get a tax
[1:13:47] bill done. It would want to get a binding deal done and there might be support certain
[1:13:50] key projects. found a bullet on this page just really kind of highlights. Some of the
[1:14:00] dynamics are going on within the delegation. You all work with the delegation a lot your
[1:14:07] community work and whatnot. But, you know, we had a new member for the public in this
[1:14:11] listening listeners at home. We did have a new member with Representative Maggard, you're
[1:14:16] neck alike. She filled the seat vacated by near her replica. Nikolaj ended up on
[1:14:23] some committees that we don't necessarily have any say. Paul folks, which may be pretty
[1:14:29] happy to those being, I think the Energy Committee and definitely the Transportation
[1:14:33] committee where we haven't had anyone in the past. >> Excuse me in this biennium.
[1:14:41] Majority leader Erin Murphy, of course, is Saint Paul You know, she was a key part of
[1:14:49] everything. And I know he's just for my own social media. They're already hit. The
[1:14:52] campaign trail are ready. >> With new recruits and whatnot for various seats
[1:14:58] going. Senator Pappas funding chair. That'll be a big deal for us. I think we'll wait and
[1:15:03] see how that shakes out. And then, of review. So who is the delegation chair pres? They
[1:15:11] got not running again. And hoping to move on as well. So what do we get? So that's
[1:15:18] always the question. The question that maybe not the best question from vice
[1:15:21] president to council president thank you for the presentation. I've been
[1:15:24] looking forward to that and I really appreciate you coming to us right after the session.
[1:15:28] >> 46 legislature seems like high number one during his common for us to see that
[1:15:33] number. But amount of legislators retiring happened at the end of their term
[1:15:37] councilmember eating. Thank you for that question. kind of fascinated by.
[1:15:43] >> All o 4 is high. You know, that's 201 legislators. That's 20%. I think not coming
[1:15:49] back. 40%. Anyway. I think it's 20% not coming back to their seat. Right? And So
[1:16:01] that's pretty high. I think just politics being what it is and several long timers just
[1:16:05] thinking it's time to hang it up you know, that was a big chunk of it. So thank you.
[1:16:16] starting with the bonding slide just because that was a big focus. I know for all of
[1:16:20] it always is for cities and it always is for local governments. I think when you
[1:16:26] add up because these rough numbers at the base, all o these are exceptional Latino
[1:16:32] museum. Maybe all of these are in our platform as items that you either work. Yu know,
[1:16:36] we're strong priorities over support items this is petty incredible. Dollar wise ice,
[1:16:43] press release from Minneapolis that just had a lower number than 81 point. I-95 Million.
[1:16:50] You know, it could have been bigger. Some of you are involved in really helpful.
[1:16:55] I'm a utilities bill that we advanced late in session. But the price tag on that was in
[1:17:01] the neighborhood of around 80 Million. >> Is what we drafted the bill
[1:17:05] for. So 13 may not seem like very much, but it really is. I think conjunction with
[1:17:09] everything. Do I know you can see at meter reader? This are not necessarily okay.
[1:17:19] >> We just some questions that to stick with what I just want to lift up the big cats and
[1:17:21] not because it is 45, but because that was the same appropriation that the
[1:17:28] Minnesota Zoo also received for their general for a job on. They did get some, I
[1:17:30] think, like. General operating money in a funny money. it's just a name like that. We were
[1:17:37] like right on track with the Minnesota State Zoo. And so this is a huge win. Not just
[1:17:42] to get some money for the project, but trend with the other state
[1:17:47] >> thanks for putting that Any Rodriguez actually pointed that out to me yesterday when
[1:17:54] we were going through a few things. This is a slight bit more. There appropriation is
[1:17:58] was 9. I don't know what their original asked I think our original ask for the come was
[1:18:04] it was around 20 or 25. So. You know, it's always hard take smaller amount, this is
[1:18:11] very good compared a lot of other and cities around the states.
[1:18:17] >> Question 2 questions. One, the money for west utilities is huge. 13 Million. I know we
[1:18:23] need. >> 80 right So wondering, did we go to the state for a team?
[1:18:32] We got 13 or 2 to go for last. I'm just wondering where that is where that falls out. It
[1:18:36] only went 4 and then the 2.5 million extension of the bonding funds for the same
[1:18:41] time. Plus a playground Councilmember Justin ayer both really interested seeing that
[1:18:43] project. Move forward. Does that? Get them make the money available? Despite the lawsuit
[1:18:49] or does that just extend the bonding so that at the time when we can? Potentially use
[1:18:58] that we can and wondering what the impact of that is on the actual project right?
[1:19:01] >> I'll start with the first question. I think it's often the strategy, 4 entities to
[1:19:08] ask for a bigger amount and know you're going to get a smaller amount. And that's
[1:19:13] where there's a lot of back and forth between the subject. Experts like.
[1:19:17] >> New Director Dan Barber and a child Kershaw was super key. And that's there's a lot of
[1:19:24] back and forth. Senator Pappas is office in particular. I've just to get more detail on
[1:19:30] what all that You know, perfect world for. For any of us. We would just get general
[1:19:35] fund dollars in cash from the state. She'll bonds is really like using the state's credit
[1:19:41] or the state like I think it is the state's credit card. So there's a lot of hoops to jump
[1:19:46] through role and plans to show and the all the things >> Sean was incredibly helpful
[1:19:53] with a lot of that back and forth. We had told them that it was we were able to phase
[1:19:59] this in phase his life in the freezing we use when we know the you can't get all of it
[1:20:03] from the state. So. I think we left them with the impression we probably be back. Obviously
[1:20:09] that's for future platforms. But I'm that's the answer to that question with simple,
[1:20:17] inclusive playground language. To be honest, this is this is a little bit of a surprise as
[1:20:21] I was reading through funding bill Sunday afternoon. This is I think this Senator Pappas is
[1:20:32] reaction to the lawsuit and making sure that we just have more time to spend that. So
[1:20:36] it's not necessarily new money. You could subtracted from the 81 if you wanted to.
[1:20:43] But it just give staff more time to spend? I think it's out till 2028 to 2029. So that
[1:20:49] might not be a full answer to your question council president. But I know city
[1:20:55] attorney's office and Parks Department are working through next steps in terms of the
[1:20:58] common cent any other questions? Other partners, priorities and statewide
[1:21:11] funding. I just wanted to identify other items in that bill that I think, you know,
[1:21:16] they were either same Centre and our partners of ours or our statewide funding. That
[1:21:23] will have to delve into more of the details because we may be able to apply for it. There
[1:21:27] were some was money for a es. I homes in Saint Paul Roseville and another one or 2
[1:21:32] cities around the metro area. Emergency shelter, Capital grants funding. I'm pretty
[1:21:37] familiar with from my time at the county. But this is homelessness. run through. I
[1:21:43] think DHS or Minnesota housing. But that's traditionally I think then
[1:21:48] trick counties and nonprofits to apply for. The statewide lead line replacement funding.
[1:21:55] This is a statewide program. Saint Paul Water was pretty active in testifying on this.
[1:21:59] Rick Allen particular this was sort of this is maybe the big disappointment if there were
[1:22:07] any and there always But this is a big disappointment they were asking for, you know, it
[1:22:11] was either 200 or 100 both really big numbers for a statewide program and
[1:22:17] expecting to get it for the most part, I think on Friday, one is talking to one of our
[1:22:24] Labor friends. They thought they had 80 or 90 million dollars in the is just a good
[1:22:29] example of there's a lot of competing interests and they ended up with 15. I think I
[1:22:37] think say Paul needs about 20%. they were looking at but 20 million for the city when
[1:22:44] it was around 100 million dollars. So this is a disappointment. I know the be
[1:22:49] back next year and it's also an example of the complicated is not perfect for when trying
[1:22:55] to do private home lead line replacement. You need either cash or appropriation bonds to
[1:23:04] do that. So again, a lot of disappointment in this And when you know where we had a
[1:23:08] lot of partners with labor and cities around the state. So I'm sure that will lend be 1,
[1:23:16] 1, including our next half The next one is happy spot Metropolitan Parks. We have a
[1:23:22] Metropolitan Parks coalition that meets every Monday morning, either virtually or
[1:23:27] or in person at the Capitol. It is all the other, a 10 or 11 and implementing We've
[1:23:34] always asked for 10 or 15 billion in bonding and that's money that comes to the
[1:23:39] Met Council. It's for your project and facilities as posed to operating moneys. I
[1:23:45] gotta think this might have been like a Senator Pappas gift because she's always been
[1:23:50] the chief author on this. That's always been a relatively small amount. to
[1:23:54] get 10 million dollars this year is a big deal. There's 1 million general fund for the
[1:24:01] Heights. I think that's a part project there. this one PCA was almost 11 million
[1:24:10] statewide for capital assistance There's 1.5 9 identified in there for a
[1:24:17] Saint Paul project. This was also a little bit of a surprise. I think it came up
[1:24:22] through the governor's recommendations us. You know, that came out in January and
[1:24:27] earlier this session. So we'll be able to find somewhere else. And that. And then
[1:24:33] finally this one I do if you're hearing about it, it certainly got a lot of press
[1:24:37] newspaper, but the human waste situation showing up at the Rmu for Ramsey and Washington
[1:24:44] counties. Our former then Commissioner Tristen Martin son is now the executive
[1:24:50] director out there and did get couple of different recycling and energy projects. They've
[1:24:56] been looking for federal in state funding on, they get quite a bit of media attention
[1:25:02] on some of hospital waste showing up in the trash out there. So they fought this but
[1:25:09] ultimately got a study of this problem that was in the cash funding Any questions on any
[1:25:14] of think we're 6 minutes to make me show you get sides in the
[1:25:23] >> You all know a lot of the work happens and I'm nervous bills for their smaller asks.
[1:25:26] They put him into one. >> Some of the things that we were tracking non-fatal
[1:25:32] shooting clearance program that our police department and Ramsey County and other
[1:25:36] partners have gotten a lot of attention. we're hoping for more on that because i's only
[1:25:41] 905,004, I think statewide police departments that want to step into this space. We
[1:25:46] made sure there was language that Saint Paul would still be eligible for this so that we
[1:25:51] would penalize the good work. The mayor was testified a couple of times on that
[1:25:58] family, homelessness prevention assistance is gotten money with 40 Million.
[1:26:03] That's kind of a big deal on the budget and the 9 budget year. One time property tax
[1:26:06] relief was in the >> tax bill for me when I hear property tax relief, I always
[1:26:13] go to LGA. >> And I know a lot of the year due to this is this is
[1:26:19] more one of those programs people will need to apply for. So make sure your ofices have
[1:26:25] right wording and whatnot for newsletters and such because big part of getting the word
[1:26:29] out in that and people do need to apply. >> technically going to be a
[1:26:33] new state park at the Capitol. They're doing a lot of work around that given the new
[1:26:39] building and what not, but it will be them. Listen, Mark Portman, Memorial State Park,
[1:26:43] they did do some work for themselves of Capitol security funding and your policies are
[1:26:48] some changes to the under pension Bill. >> the CA Maryland Avenue
[1:26:56] fencing issue. Some of you might remember that. I think from previous they were
[1:27:00] interested in getting language in the bill and they were successful to have. I don't
[1:27:05] use the word bypass, able to have the fence they want at the BCA and at the address and
[1:27:14] then in the legacy, Bill, this is a good one. There's quite a bit parks. There's quite a bit
[1:27:19] a new money in there for additional money. And 2, will have to apply for, but I'll
[1:27:24] make sure we work with parks to do that. Mayor, her was and I were visiting with
[1:27:31] Republican legislators late on Sunday night and they were pointing out that there was a
[1:27:35] lot of money in there and they hope that same wide for it. So this.
[1:27:41] >> On all, just leave this one out here. There's a lot of detail You know, the half-cent
[1:27:44] sales tax extension. We were not able to get that out of the House Chair. Gomez feels
[1:27:50] pretty strongly about local option sales taxes. >> This is a key part of the
[1:27:56] city's funding for the changes, whatever at the arena in right Wilkins. So tere's
[1:28:01] going to be we're going sort through that. >> There wre the star.
[1:28:07] dramatic changes, did not get done. So I think that gives us a chance as the city some of
[1:28:12] you have a real interest in that, too. Go through and make sure we don't want additional
[1:28:19] changes for the star program. Nothing moved ahead in terms of Operation Metro Surge Bills
[1:28:27] other some great testimony. And folks telling their story at the Capitol.
[1:28:32] >> There are few one here that I think we're going to be able to move or try to move through
[1:28:35] either the League of Minnesota Cities or the Metro Cities. Policy summer. I know I'll be
[1:28:43] attending that and we'll follow up step. See maybe want to have more of you involved
[1:28:47] in some of that work. ultimately were not any policy changes or come credits done
[1:28:55] for downtown redevelopment You know, stop right there. answer any questions. Time processing
[1:29:07] with plan is just. Thank you. Council thank us I also a little bit, too. I mean,
[1:29:15] there's some things I'm happy to see and some >> Disappointed about. I just
[1:29:20] want uplift you know, the importance of the bonding bill and investing in our statewide
[1:29:27] infrastructure. Many of you know, I'm engineer and I'm part of the American Society
[1:29:31] of Civil Engineers. And we shared our. Infrastructure grades a few weeks in the
[1:29:37] state is getting a C and so I'm happy to share copies of that I can share with with all
[1:29:42] of you haven't had a chance to bring those in House online. But, you know, there are some
[1:29:46] winds here, but I'm also really, really disappointed about you know, the task for
[1:29:53] lead water replacement and just the importance access to clean water for everyone our
[1:29:58] city in our state is so important. I'm so happy to see. You know, a lot of the
[1:30:04] investments in our city and then some of the statewide investments and our roads and
[1:30:09] transportation. But still a lot more work to do and just want to thank thank you for
[1:30:14] all of your efforts. As you jumped into this at the beginning of the year and also
[1:30:20] understand there's a sea a lot more work to still do for the next Thank you. Thanks. Mrs.
[1:30:29] >> Yeah, sorry. And just add that I also really appreciate the work that was done the
[1:30:34] Capitol. Like we didn't get everything. We got some unexpected things. I was there
[1:30:38] this weekend. It was there not as long as our IG our director, but certainly late
[1:30:44] into the evening and saw I think just a really incredible partnership between you and
[1:30:50] the mayor and the way that you are rallying our Saint Paul delegation.
[1:30:52] >> Even in the 11th hour to push for more things for the city. so even from, you know,
[1:30:59] sometimes an insider looking in. I just want to commend the fact that like I saw you and
[1:31:04] the mayor speaking to everyone rallying our delegation, working still in the 11th hour
[1:31:08] to get wins for Saint Paul. And so certainly not without I think credible work advocacy
[1:31:13] and like just very Smart's lobbying by air part. So I just also want to commend the
[1:31:21] work that was done and just like, you know, copying and the right place. But you were
[1:31:26] there until midnight. And as was I and you were there and even later. So just really
[1:31:30] appreciate the time and attention. You've given the moving our priorities in the
[1:31:32] legislature this year. >> Yeah, I would echo the thanks to you, sir, are
[1:31:39] especially given that the short time frame with what you had to prepare for a very
[1:31:43] active session. I think my greatest disappointments are just related to some of the
[1:31:48] things that we continue to go back for the downtown investments that are so common
[1:31:51] sense that should be bipartisan that are so desperately needed. This our
[1:31:55] 3rd year, I believe in a row. Coming back 0 on that. And that's just incredibly
[1:32:02] disappointing from our representatives. The faculty can't get basic gun violence
[1:32:06] across the finish line that that's the most partisan issues. But having testified
[1:32:10] in front of Judiciary Committee and seeing the seeing the way that that was
[1:32:16] responded to in the way that this has become a partisan issue. That's about anything.
[1:32:18] But public safety is really disappointing. And then the metro surge, kind of fell
[1:32:23] after fail there. So I just seeing the site is particularly frustrating. So
[1:32:30] I'm grateful for all the work that happened. I'm very grateful for the investments.
[1:32:35] But its there's a lot of work to do. And I don't feel like the city was particularly
[1:32:39] supported in the session. We haven't even talked about algae. Either more sides. I
[1:32:49] think we're close Come back. Another time. >> Where that may be the most
[1:32:57] keeping on here is you know, will kick off some sort of platform development later
[1:33:03] this summer. I'd like to involve you in your offices in that.
[1:33:06] >> work with >> or city council staff to set up some sort of process of
[1:33:12] people understand it all and >> you hopefully have a platform ready to go when, you
[1:33:17] know, right around early November would be my call. >> Thank you so much. Really
[1:33:23] appreciate it. And final questions or at the day ahead of us. So thank you so much
[1:33:28] for the time. The ? Yes, yes.