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Well, we'll go ahead and uh start the
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first thing here is on the can open
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the can open?
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» And it is is confirmed and the other
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that we do have a quorum here?
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another quorum here uh we'll go ahead
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on the agenda is the approval of the
minutes which you do have uh enclosed or

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attached with information that you
brought to the meeting. Is there any

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questions or concerns
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minutes from the last meeting?

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Hearing none. Would somebody like to
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the last meeting?
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minutes of the last meeting.
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» I'll second that.
>> Any more discussion of any sort? Hearing

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none. Everybody in favor say I. Oppose.
Same sign.

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Unanimous.
Next would be the staff reports and

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closed staff reports. If you had a
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one or a couple questions actually.
I'm skimming it down.

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Uh,
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The museum numbers is changed greatly.
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» Well, summer uh summertime we just get a
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and our Facebook uh we've been uh
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regular posts we do collections uh
Wednesdays and then a new uh section in

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uh mixing up history where we uh take a
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recipe and make it and then the staff
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we have those running. Um, also uh done
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» Well, definitely working because it's
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» You know, it's very impressive. It's
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hard effort.
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» I would think put into that.
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And then the next thing is at the YMCA
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them focused and all that. Can we hear
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» I'd love to. I'd love to show you some
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» Yeah.
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So, it was a pretty wild week of clay.
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the YMCA Monday through Friday. We had
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were enrolled in that program. Um,
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out of all of us adults that were in the
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for the first three sessions, they were
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the day, mixed age groups. Um, so we
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graders. And they started with 2 by two
tiles. So the first three days of the

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camp, we're working on those big images.
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composition. Um, and then on Wednesday,
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So, kindergarteners and first graders,
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blocks were put into a big wooden frame.
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out because, if you can imagine, that's
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the clay. They wanted to take it out of
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the tactile sort of um, engagement with
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cut out shapes that were already
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or compositions um Ann and Chip already
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line, those were drawn on. So the
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sort of the technical uh task sort of
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throughout the day. So by the time we
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that fine carving and sculpting of the
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uh we had four of those 2 by two blocks
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through the day and that for the first
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the family the family workshop um we had
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city staff and and their families. Um
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that evening and they also worked on
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same evening had a chance to all do um
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each individual kid had a chance to do
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that pertain to fire. I think by day
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and just in that smooshing and uh just
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most part they got their names on them,
their ages or the year. So, we kind of

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gave them an option, but that was their
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to the project. Um, so these are just
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Uh, they did really great. Wednesday, we
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to get some filming done and um doing
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project, we'll have a nice uh marketing
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to the install, we can I think it'll be
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about the whole process. We've still got
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the clay tiles at their studio drying
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weeks for the drying time and extra
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sure they survive that first firing um
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we had a great mix. I think you know
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summer uh the last week of that camp. So
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throughout the week. When the cameras
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definitely uh shifted a little bit. Um
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going to be YouTube famous, which is
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so, a lot more clay on their faces that
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they they kind of they lose their

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interest, but there's a few that really
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really excited to see all the clay tiles
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um really early spring for the final
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more like March or April. I think
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the tiles and then they're going to
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have to actually like hold everything
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of production that has to happen. Um,
but there are still some clay tiles to

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be decorated. So, um, I've put out the
invitation for CAD and that is also

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going to be extended to all of you for
next month. Um, we're going to try and

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wrap up this meeting. Um, I don't know
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on this commission who is interested,
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So, you guys, you've been a part of the
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you have no clay experience. Ann and
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with kindergarteners through seventh
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handle this group. So, I don't know.
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» If you made it If you made it up here on
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» so, um, let me know if you can if you're
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commit today, let me know and I'll put
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Chip will prepare. tiles and and show up
with all the tools and uh necessary

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teaching for you guys and that'll add to
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about 200. So, our 75 to 100 kids and
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there's still plenty of tiles. And then,
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that are blank, but with all the texture
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to have a few sort of like rusting spots
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really excited. It was really fun to see
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fruition
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to end with all that little kid energy.
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and the YMC staff was really fantastic
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custodians faces when they walked in
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the room and really took care of things
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kiddos on Friday when I went in just
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real big and he kind of lit up. So, um,
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this to so many people, we really can't
calculate the impact that that's going

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to have on the end. And those of you who
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tile, you'll get to go back and see that
tile forever and ever. Um, so it's fun

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to think about the impact that that will
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it, but um, we just don't know. So, I'm
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to those families. That was a lot of
kids for that camp um to be able to get

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those communications back and and really
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the spring. So, yeah, I'll keep you guys
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studio to see sort of the next steps and
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of like what that process looks like.
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» Thank you.
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» It's obviously enjoyable and at times
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» Oh, you know, I I I know why I didn't
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» I can take it in bouts. So, they were
great. Other questions of staff with any

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of the staff reports or would any of the
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area?
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or items that are in your uh staff
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Sarah, do you want to talk about music
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» So, um and you should have gotten the
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do a little
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brought this to you earlier in the
spring um talking about this statewide

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project. Uh there are
nine different sections of the state

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participating but 13 different
communities. We've got Lawrence, Tika,

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Manhattan, Emporia, Witchaw, Hutchson,
Garden City, Hayes, Russell, Belleville,

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Norton, and then they uh group together
Johnson County, and then they group

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together Wand County. And what they're
doing is um Sound Music Cities is

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collecting all of this data that is
applying specifically to the music

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ecosystem or people that are
participating or working in the music

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ecosystem. And if you look on the front
of that on the bottom, um, you know,

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people may ask, I'm a music fan. Is this
for me? Um, it's not necessarily for the

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fans. You, we're asking them to share it
to people that are working in within the

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industry. So, we've got musicians,
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venue owners, venues could be like, uh,
Red Fern Book Sellers on First Fridays,

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Ad Astra has some live music. Uh same
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venues. Um some studios, uh educators,
music store vendors, which includes like

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Golden Griffin Records here in town or
uh Hansen Music Store. Those are what we

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we mean by music vendors. uh sound
engineers or techs um and any community

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me community members that are doing
music related activities such as uh

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church choirs or community band uh
people that are participating in that

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way. Um and what we want to hear is
everything the good the bad where

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supports needed um what the current
perception is. Um this is probably the

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first music specific study at least in a
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» ever. ever. Okay. So, this is a pretty
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» statewide. I mean, or with this many uh
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» It's it's a big deal that this is going
um as far across the state as it is, but

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especially for us um this information is
going to become really crucial uh within

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the cultural plan as well. So, it's
really good timing just to spur Salina's

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aspect. But, um, we are hoping to at
least get hundred folks, but if you guys

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could just share as much as you possibly
can. Um, our primary deadline is going

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to be at the end of August. Um, where we
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direct asks. Like, I know that you're in
church choir. Could you please share

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this with with one or two people? It's
really important that that they

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participate in that because we need a
little bit of everybody. So, but yeah,

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that's the music census.
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should share with other production
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just so this one is just talking about

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our local community. Um I'm forgetting
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» Ellsworth.
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census of what counties were included in
this kind of area. So um some of that I

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think gets close to Manhattan's regional
area or Wah's regional area. So, um,

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just kind of within this general area is
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» But if it's someone that does business
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then then yes, if they provide a service
to the area. Um, Sarah mentioned the the

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goal of a hundred. I
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connections, we'd hit that. I I think I
think we have three to 800 musicians in

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town who are eligible to answer those
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» and this number is everything like
>> we anything more than 300 is going to

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put us above anybody else in the state
including Witchah. So it it'd be great

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to get a lot of participation and I
think we're capable of that. This will

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include anybody from like a symphony
artist to maybe they're in a church

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choir or maybe they sing at Trudies on
Saturdays. Um this includes all genres.

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Um all types of music work. So whether
you're paid or unpaid, that's the the

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big thing to share is some people feel
like they don't want to have the label

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of musician or artist, but they're
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thank you. And Katie, for your benefit,
the reason that students uh aren't

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included or those under the age of 18 is
as a music ecosystem, they're looking at

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the machine and the activity that people
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income or to thrive as a creator, not
someone who's just engaged in an

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activity. So I I think there's multiple
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we're following the same standards as as
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across the state. And then um you didn't
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in September, but uh you want to
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welcoming and very needed process across
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months, we've been doing uh monthly
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each community just kind of shares um
some of the things they're

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[clears throat] working on or um who's
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conversation with you. Let's set up a
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you're just kind of getting to hear from
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resources that are available that some
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already been having really great
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and we haven't even finished the census
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where this comes from us because like
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this specifically for music.
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committee members locally. Yes, we're
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cohort, which we're just trying to get
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the table um to kind of break down some
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music community, uh kind of come up with
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um get more ideas where we're we're
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Um and we're going to start meeting in
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in September happening at uh oh is it
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names that that happen, but uh Somewhere
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going to be going on that we'll be
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cost anything for us to participate in.
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get a $5,000 match for a pilot program
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able to get other sources of funing. So,
it's very nice that um that's very

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budget friendly. So,
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Commission and so they've contracted
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each of the cities and helping us roll
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» um also from a staff perspective, u Anna
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these go around that way. This site's
got them. Um I can't remember whether

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we've talked about collective our
stories of cancer uh theater salina and

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uh arts and humanities uh and some
citizens from Salena who've been our

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cancer survivors or advocates for uh uh
arts and healing. um along with Salena

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Regional Health Foundation, the Tammy
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Regional Health Center are all
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performance uh in October. These are the
palm cards. We've got extras if there

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are people that you'd like to share
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this again is a project that uh that uh
is entirely funded through uh grants and

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foundations and earned revenue. Uh it's
not a project of saline arts and

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humanities but we are partnering with
theater salina uh and the other

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entities. So um we're offering
administrative support uh and and inind

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support as an organization as we should.
Um but um one of the uh just for a

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clarification for your point at the
bottom of the front it says Arts and

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Healing Collective. Um,
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that it generates enough revenue to
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us to administrate through the arts and
humanities foundation. uh but for the

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benefit of the community that looks for
intentional ways that the arts can aid

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in mental health uh emotional health uh
physical health uh programs and events

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uh whether it's uh for a group that's
exploring a hands-on activity for those

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with PTSD or someone in addictions
recovery or someone who is suffering uh

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from depression because of an illness uh
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able to be creative in music or or
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Salina has done that intermittently.
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going to become a a large and signature
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going to ask ourselves why weren't we
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such a tremendous benefit from
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as a as a community. And so, um, and
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the works for additional private funding
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this kind of puts it on the radar. Uh,
please share this information, share the

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QR code, um, tickets. Um if if there is
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like to see it and can't afford it,
there are scholarship or underwriting

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opportunities uh to help those get
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salina stage, that's a total of about
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depending on the overflow seating. Um
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already purchased uh through Salena
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and so um let folks know this is the
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is on the back it says a 90minute
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minutes. And uh if any of you are
curious about this, if you go to YouTube

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and type in Owen Cox, our shared stories
of cancer, they filmed the inaugural

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production last year uh when they
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a beautiful film. Uh it it's it's a it's
powerful work. Uh we're going to be

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working with Salena Regional and um and
other resources. The American Cancer

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Society has expressed interest in in
helping how they can uh sending uh the

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cancer action network. Uh uh there's a
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Lawrence that are very interested in
supporting as we can. So, we're looking

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for resource materials for people to
take home, links and and uh connections

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to be able to say, "Hey, if you had a
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creative creative expression, here are
places in town you can do that and and

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where those resources are and how to
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just a program. It's it's a it's larger
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» Yeah. If you uh are unfamiliar with what
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to change it.

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program that involves arts integration.
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what we are hoping is to have the
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week. Um what happens is teachers go
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we have uh local and regional artists as
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around the country that come in that we
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it's very convenient because the artists
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during their class times uh to do
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their curriculum. So uh an example is a
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life cycle. So that beach has a whole
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uh arts education as the vehicle in
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those different programs going on. Again
it goes out both digitally and a

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physical copy to all teachers in the
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to. In the past, we had been focusing um
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kindergarten specific options and saw a
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this year we are looking at increasing
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excited to see how many requests that
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talking about different types of
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the talks are also a mix between like
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happen in arts uh arts careers that can
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avenues. So, we've had some really great
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high school level. Um, so those are some
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but uh we take requests throughout the
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at the end of August. We'll take them.
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than we can fulfill. So, if we get them
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fulfill all of those. But yeah, and that
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Street Fair.
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three things I really want to talk about
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chili cookoff parade volunteers. We need
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happen uh and to help make this a
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entries are due by August 28th, so next
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and we take volunteers up to the day of.
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though, uh so we can plug them in where
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will be on September 26th
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this year. Um always starts with our
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» Sorry.
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this year. Our theme is America's 250th
old west style. So uh especially for the

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parade. Um so how you would think
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old west. So
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cookoff. Uh
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information about that, it's on our
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and tomatoes. You get to supply the
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make it different from everyone else's.
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people's choice awards, um and a judge's
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chili. It's only 250. Um and there's a
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then also happening at that time um
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the main stage. This year we have Jake
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who is grew up here in Kansas. Um his
father was a music teacher and his

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grandfather exposed him to country music
and so that's what he brings uh some raw

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energy and great charisma to some
country music. Uh we're very excited to

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have Jake back. He was here a couple
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favorite, um will be on the stage
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are bringing in the Witchah War dancer.
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Um, he will be doing the fancy dance of
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after his performance, he's going to
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part of what he really loves to do is
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and answer questions uh that people may
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uh whatever. So we are really excited to
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has won the national
no world's fancy war dance championship

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title. So he is um
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» I and I know Tanner has spoke very
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» Yeah. Feedley has uh done a blog with
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» Ask a Cans and there's an episode that
shows him in his full costume and does

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about an hourong interview that is
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» cool. He's a he's a great guy.
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was fun to talk to when I booked him. Um
Don Wagner and Friends will be back at

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2:10. Uh they'll follow the announcement
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Jake Gilligan rounds out the crowd at 3.
Uh during that time people can enjoy

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make and take crafts, historic
demonstrators. We will have the German

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farmer [clears throat] back again this
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a German [clears throat] immigrant
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does some sewing and hand work. uh items

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as well. Uh we have a cook off or a
chuck wagon to go along. Uh and they

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it's we've had them a couple years ago.
Fully outfitted cook wagon except for

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the actual food which we can't do uh we
can't have a fire on the street. The

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city would frown on that. Um, but uh
they can talk about what all goes into

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uh the truck wagon and cattle drives. We
are working on possibly having a

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blacksmith. Uh we're seeing if we have
room for them. Um and then we also have

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a slate of activities for kids and
adults to do rope roping uh horseshoe

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throwing I think a cup toss and
something else. I don't remember

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exactly. Uh but some Old West style
activities as well. Uh of course we have

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great food vendors. We actually have six
uh five vendors with six uh trucks or

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trailers how however they set out. We
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a big uh
seller. Tacos Elora will be here. Ducet

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Concessions. Uh they are usually at
festivals so we're um but they're also

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always here. Uh Bear Creek Snow Biz cuz
it will probably be hot that day. And La

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Nana, I never say their name right. Uh
Lana Nana Ice Cream Shop and Snacks will

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also be here. So we'll have a couple of
cool options uh for this year. Um

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we do have caricaturists again this
year. So, if you've gotten caricatures

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previous years and want another one, uh
just got to stand in line. They're free.

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Everything except for food vendors and
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So, we make this a very nice uh
accessible event. And we of course we

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are open. Um the end this will be the
end of our 250th anniversary exhibit. uh

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will close October 10th. So, this is a
prime time to get a last chance to see

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it. Oh, and we will have a demonstrator
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So, fun-filled day packed. Um like I
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parade and chili cookoff entries.
And I do have extra of the volunteer

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slips if you know of anyone you want to
take one to. Uh they're back here on the

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uh drink table.
>> Impressive report. There's a lot of

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stuff going on.
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» Exactly. [laughter]
>> For everybody.

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» For everyone. Yes.
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» I I think both Susan and um Sarah maybe
mentioned it, but I want to reiterate

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how important it is for you to be our
ambassadors and helping secure

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volunteers. Not just feeling like you
have to sign up, but we can ask all day.

404
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,760
We can put social media posts up all
day. That's what we're paid for. But

405
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:20,240
when you look a friend or a peer in the
eye and say, "Boy, they could really use

406
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:26,240
your help and you'd be great." That
makes all the difference. So, please be

407
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:32,240
our arms and legs and voice to try to
encourage others to both participate,

408
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:36,879
but also to come and support. And if you
get questions about what kind of things

409
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:43,359
there are to do to volunteer, we have
you can do three-hour shifts. Uh usually

410
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:48,720
like about 10:30 to 1:30 and 1:30 to 4.
Um for the activities, make and take

411
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:53,119
crafts. We also need volunteers to help
line up the parade, which only takes

412
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:58,000
about an hour or so. The same with some
uh a couple I think we need like six

413
00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:02,000
volunteers to help pull barricades for
the parade. Uh, so you get to stand and

414
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:09,040
watch a wonderful parade, then pull the
barricades off. Uh,

415
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:13,359
and um, if you got muscles and like to
get up early, we always can use help

416
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:17,520
with setup. And if you don't like to get
up early, you can come help

417
00:35:14,364 --> 00:35:24,520
[clears throat] uh, take Dale.
>> Okay.

418
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Any questions or comments? In addition,

419
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:33,920
none, we major strategic plan.
>> All right. Uh the museum was due for a

420
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:39,599
new strategic plan. We had uh come to
the end of the last one. So la uh

421
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throughout last year we worked with the
community engagement institute out of

422
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:50,640
Witchaw State University uh to develop a
plan. Um it included focus groups. Um we

423
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:55,680
had community
uh friends board members. I can't

424
00:35:52,720 --> 00:36:03,520
remember. I Yeah, I think we did have a
A&H commissioner here that day. City

425
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:08,640
management even came um to help identify
areas uh that we should pursue and

426
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:13,760
that's where we ended up with five focus
areas. Um of course we want to increase

427
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:18,880
visibility and community awareness.
That's always a big one for the museum.

428
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:25,040
Um and of course our expansion and
renovation plans. uh we want to work

429
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:31,119
through those and
make sure that comes to fruition.

430
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:36,560
Um another really big area and one that
we've started kind of hit the ground

431
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:42,560
trying to run and get going is develop
accessible high impact and and effective

432
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:48,079
stories, programming and event. We want
to be as accessible as we can uh with

433
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:52,720
the renovation. We want we don't want to
tell the same story we've always told.

434
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:56,320
We want to tell everybody's story. We
want everyone who comes in to at least

435
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:03,359
be able to see a little bit of
themselves somehow um in the museum uh

436
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:08,560
and how they've helped build Salina and
make Salina. So, um we're working hard

437
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:14,480
on doing that and seeing what other
programming ideas we can do to help

438
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:21,040
reach groups that whose story doesn't
always get told. So, uh, we are working

439
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:26,320
hard on that aspect. If you know anyone
that would like to help us make inroads

440
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:32,240
because we sometimes we don't tell
stories because we don't know who to go

441
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:39,520
and ask uh for their story. So, uh we
we're always needing help with that. Um,

442
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:46,240
and then just living our values and
mission and vision of the museum, making

443
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:51,839
sure we're visitor centered. um
cultivating

444
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:57,119
uh a robust donor base uh and just
basically evaluating every through

445
00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:02,560
through everything we do through a
mission lens to make sure we're not

446
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:07,359
wasting our time on things that don't
help move the m museum forward. Uh

447
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:12,960
that's what we really want to have our
impact on. So um I'll stop there. if

448
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:18,880
there are any questions on what you
read. Um, we are putting, you'll notice

449
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:22,800
section three or focus area three does
have notes already in it. Those are

450
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:26,560
things that we've started working on.
Um, we're

451
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,800
trying to do a much better job of
keeping note of what we do. Um, as

452
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,800
opposed to just doing it and then
forgetting.

453
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:44,160
» And you need their approval, correct?
>> Oh, yes. uh your approval uh for

454
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:49,839
accreditation. Uh they do uh require
approval of a governing

455
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,599
of the governing body or representative
thereof and being the arts and

456
00:38:51,680 --> 00:39:00,079
humanities commission uh they have
approved that as being a a legitimate um

457
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:04,960
approval mechanism. So
>> would someone like to make a motion to

458
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:10,960
approve this presentation as she's
spoke?

459
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:15,920
I will make that motion to approve the
motion as spoken strategic plan

460
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,480
» as accepted.
>> Yep.

461
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:23,280
» Hear a second.
>> Second move and seconded. Any

462
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:28,800
discussion?
He none. Everybody in favor say I. I.

463
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:34,240
» Oppose. Same sign. Motion carries.
>> Thank you. Like I said, it's quite the

464
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:41,200
deal there. It's pretty cool. I I think
we may want to talk to, you know, this

465
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:47,200
body and and uh um whoever's chair in
the future, but um I I think making a

466
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:52,880
regular part of the meetings at least on
a quarterly basis to have updates of

467
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:57,839
progress on the plan. Uh I think it'll
be important for us to do that for the

468
00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:02,720
cultural plan as well. And so maybe um
at least either I mean there'll be

469
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:08,240
things in staff reports as well, but um
we may want to visit that in the fall

470
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:12,240
and and I can talk to Susan about a
>> you know the best times to do that

471
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:16,320
whether we stagger them or just have
focus meetings once a quarter

472
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,287
» approximately once a quarter as it would
fit in.

473
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,560
» I think there'll be enough happening on
[clears throat] a regular basis that

474
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:26,480
» be good to keep the commission up to
speed.

475
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:30,640
» Okay. Next was nomination of officers.
I'm going to turn it over to to Brad for

476
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:35,920
this one.
>> Yeah, I'll take uh Bob's heavy hand and

477
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:41,920
authority off the table here for a
minute. Um I think this was discussed

478
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:48,320
last month and and so uh this would be
an opportunity for you to either

479
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:58,480
volunteer or to uh nominate uh someone
to serve uh as an officer uh for next

480
00:40:53,040 --> 00:41:04,400
year. Um I think we have uh three three
positions. Do we still do a secretary

481
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:09,440
too? Correct. Yeah, we have um we have a
a chair, a vice chair, and the vice

482
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:14,880
chair handles the meetings when the
chair is absent and uh secretary. U

483
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,960
Amanda serves that duty, but the
secretary is the person who kind of

484
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,640
reviews the minutes when they go out in
the post and kind of keeps an eye and

485
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:31,520
ear on making sure that those are
accurately done. So, um maybe um

486
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:37,920
um one
I can take your nominations uh for

487
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:43,040
someone. You can also self-nominate.
Um

488
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:49,040
I believe uh Tanner is the vice chair
right now and he has said that's as high

489
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:51,119
as he wants to go.
and so he

490
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:56,800
» happy to uh
>> willing to serve again but he does not

491
00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:02,560
want to be elevated to um having an
irregular responsibility of chair in the

492
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:06,640
meeting. So um that's the only person I
think that we've heard from. So um are

493
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:12,640
there
>> means myself I'm very willing to do it

494
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:17,760
again and be chair. I enjoy doing it,
yet there's qualified people here that

495
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:22,880
might have an interest to do that. And I
will not feel offended if somebody else

496
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:29,520
thinks this would be a neat position to
sit up here and bring a new face in the

497
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,960
front. So, I'm just saying that.
>> So, Tanner is willing to take the vice

498
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:37,839
chair again next year.
>> Yes, he said he would. Okay. But he like

499
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:42,640
Bob, he said he's open if someone else
expresses interest as well. So does I

500
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:46,920
guess does anyone have interest in those
two positions?

501
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:56,560
Then I will nam nominate Tanner for vice
chair again.

502
00:42:54,240 --> 00:43:01,280
Okay.
Do you want to do a slate or do you want

503
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:04,240
to do those one at a time?
>> I was thinking one at a time.

504
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:10,079
» Okay.
>> Does that fine then? That needs a

505
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:15,880
second. Tanner's been nominated as are
there any other nominations for a vice

506
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,880
chair?

507
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:25,599
» Okay. Hearing none, then uh we'll have
the nominations closed and uh uh is

508
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:30,480
there a second to the motion?
>> A second.

509
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:36,160
» Okay. Thank you, Doug. Um all those any
other discussion?

510
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:41,119
I I will hope he doesn't see the
broadcast of this first and you can tell

511
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:47,760
him that he was elected since he's gone.
Uh chair, vice chair, and secretary. So

512
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:52,079
[laughter] that's that's what you see
say first if if we [clears throat] don't

513
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,440
talk to him. All those in favor of
Tanner continuing in his current

514
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,160
capacity say I.
>> I.

515
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:07,720
» Are there any opposed?
Okay, motion carries. Um, how about um

516
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:07,720
nominations for uh chair?

517
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:16,480
» I will go ahead and nominate Bob for
chair again.

518
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:21,480
» Okay. Uh let's see. I'm trying to think
how uh are there any other nominations?

519
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,560
Okay. Is there a second for Dean's
nomination of Bob?

520
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:34,640
» Second.
>> Okay. Thank you, Pat. Um, is there any

521
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:42,880
other discussion?
Okay. Uh, all those in favor of Bob

522
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:49,920
serving as chair for next year say I.
>> Any opposed?

523
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:53,040
Okay. Congratulations. The uh
I'll let you do the second.

524
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:58,640
» Yeah.
>> Because there are there's nobody running

525
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:02,560
against the person. Will we not do
because we're supposed to be nominating

526
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:06,319
state and voting next month?
But if there's nobody running against,

527
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,960
are we just doing it all right now?
>> I think the assumption is it's

528
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,720
unapposted and
>> Okay. I just want

529
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,040
» Yeah.
>> Just

530
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:16,960
Okay.
>> And who was the official secretary?

531
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:21,599
» I think Amy is. And
>> I am currently the secretary and I am of

532
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:25,599
the same mentality. I am fine to
continue. But if somebody else wants to

533
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:30,126
take on this role, I am also
>> there's a trend to step aside.

534
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,126
» I think [laughter]

535
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,520
I think the trend is set.

536
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:44,319
» Here we go.
>> Okay. Pat's nominated and Dean is

537
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,319
seconded. Um are there any other
nominations?

538
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:56,560
All those in uh keeping uh Amy on as
secretary. Thank you Amy. Say I.

539
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,800
» I.
>> Any opposed?

540
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:04,880
» Don't don't oppose or you'll be
secretary. [laughter]

541
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:11,599
» All right Bob, I'll uh turn it back to
you. Thanks everybody.

542
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:17,280
» In all seriousness, we have a very good
commission here. People are involved.

543
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:22,079
People show up and give opinions. And
that's a great group to be with. So,

544
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:27,680
» I appreciate it. Makes my job a lot
easier up here. Let's put it that way.

545
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:35,520
So, next cultural planning update.
>> Um, I was trying to get uh Oh, and it

546
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:41,200
did open. Here we go. Um,
we'll follow this up with an email, but

547
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:45,760
just to let you know, uh, Keen uh is
continuing to do their work. their

548
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:52,640
research phase, their survey phases have
all been completed now. They finished in

549
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:56,800
July and early August with a group of HR
professionals uh from around the

550
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:01,440
community to weigh in on both the
challenges and opportunities that happen

551
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:07,440
through recruiting workforce uh for
Salena uh and how the arts might be able

552
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:12,560
to be a a help for that uh both engaging
and attracting and retaining uh

553
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:20,880
potential workforce as business and
industry continues to grow. Um they also

554
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:25,359
met with representatives uh from USD305
and had a a small group session with

555
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:29,040
them, a focus session, and then they
also did a followup with the HR

556
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:33,440
professionals who couldn't attend a
meeting, uh giving them a chance to

557
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:39,119
answer three open-ended questions. So,
they're taking all of that data, uh,

558
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:43,839
putting it together to start to shape,
um, recommendations,

559
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:49,680
um, and preliminary recommendations for
what that plan might look like. They'll

560
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:58,000
go through some review processes in
September and October

561
00:47:52,480 --> 00:48:04,480
um, with um, the community. And uh some
of those that you may want to put down

562
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:13,960
on your um uh because some of them
involve you directly. Um

563
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,960
they're um

564
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:26,079
in October
they're key findings. I just lost the

565
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:31,760
file. Their key findings um will be
presented to the Salina City Commission

566
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:40,000
in a state-of-the-arts study session
which will begin at most likely at 2:30

567
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:46,319
p.m. on October the um 26th.
That hour and 15 minute presentation

568
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:52,319
will include um um some of the things
that you've already seen or that that

569
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:56,160
we've seen as a cultural as as as one of
the players and that they've presented

570
00:48:54,079 --> 00:49:01,440
to the cultural round table at those
informal meetings each month. Um they've

571
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,920
presented some of the just preliminary
highlevel things. This is going

572
00:49:02,948 --> 00:49:12,240
[clears throat] to drill down a little
tighter and show some of those um

573
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:17,680
results. um and to share some of the
major directions that the plan is likely

574
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:25,119
to go when it's fully articulated over
the subsequent two months. So, um uh

575
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:32,960
that would be it would be great to have
arts commission representation on that

576
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:39,839
Monday at 2:30 if you're available. Um
then um on

577
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:44,960
January 5th
um they're going to do uh we we haven't

578
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:54,319
scheduled the time but there's going to
be a public uh presentation

579
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:58,079
um via Zoom for anyone for the general
public for the cultural sector for our

580
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:03,680
arts commission for our CAD committee
for any city commissioners that want to

581
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:08,960
sit and listen in on those preliminary
kinds of of findings. And this would be

582
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:14,400
like the final draft of the report and
just giving people an opportunity to say

583
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:20,800
poke holes in it. What did we miss? What
are some major things? Hopefully, there

584
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:26,160
aren't a lot. Uh but but um we we want
it to be an open and transparent

585
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:33,040
process. So doing this via Zoom and then
having one week to submit questions,

586
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:42,880
concerns or clarifications in writing to
their website um uh is is it closes on

587
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:49,040
January uh the 12th. Um then uh the next
time that you'll see this and we'll be

588
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:56,800
asking you to uh adopt or make a
recommendation for acceptance of this

589
00:50:50,960 --> 00:51:04,880
plan is at your January 20th meeting. Um
the report uh in its final form will be

590
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:11,280
presented at that time to you first. Uh
it will be large. um it will be out in

591
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:17,839
your packet on the week before. So,
we're trying to hit that u as much there

592
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:22,079
may be some fine-tuning, some some
formatting of a cover sheet or

593
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:28,000
something, but in terms of content,
you're going to get to see that at your

594
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:34,319
meeting in January. Hopefully
recommend its adoption and then it goes

595
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:45,119
in the commission packet the next day.
And then on the um 20th

596
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:51,880
uh sorry on the 25th of um of uh uh
January it would be presented to the

597
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,880
city commission for adoption.

598
00:51:53,599 --> 00:52:03,599
Uh, Alex and Heather, I think, are both
going to be here in person on that day

599
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:07,920
and um and and do a present a live
presentation to the city commission on

600
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:14,000
the 25th, whether permitting and so on.
But uh if if not, they would zoom in,

601
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:19,680
but we would hold it. And then um that
evening, again, the details of where and

602
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,800
how we do this, we'd like to have a
community launch [clears throat] and

603
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:28,319
celebration that takes place that
evening. So, we'll have copies of the

604
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:32,559
report. We'll have, you know, some brief
remarks and and just kind of a

605
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:38,720
celebration of what this means for both
the community and for the the cultural

606
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:46,160
uh partners who all are going to benefit
from this. So um uh it uh it it's coming

607
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:51,520
together. So
>> how did the survey turn out? I never

608
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:54,960
heard with responses.
>> Everything at this point is in a draft

609
00:52:53,680 --> 00:53:00,640
form. So I
>> you don't know how many people actually

610
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:05,119
» Oh, we uh yes uh they've reported that
uh we haven't seen the raw data because

611
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:13,680
it's a it's in their possession, not
ours. Um but there were about 780

612
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:21,359
I want to say and then there was another
another 75 or so who were in small

613
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:25,599
groups uh and the community gathering at
the temple the day to provide

614
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:30,400
preliminary feedback that did like the
posters and and the other things and

615
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:36,640
gave their opinions. So altogether right
around 800 folks uh uh participated or

616
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:44,960
fed that and they were pleased with
those numbers. Uh there were um there

617
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:53,280
60% of the respondents
roughly are not directly engaged in arts

618
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:59,599
activity. you know, so 40% either
identified as an artist or a musician or

619
00:53:56,319 --> 00:54:05,520
or or in the music or in a in an arts
industry or role of some kind. Uh having

620
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:11,520
60% of those respondents reflect the
broader community as patron spectators,

621
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:18,000
enjoyers or and some people by their
answers didn't like anything. But

622
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:25,040
overall the uh general responses were
very positive and and and

623
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:29,680
uh they as they refine some of the other
analysis just in terms of some of the

624
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:36,640
general responses
they um they utilized I think it's out

625
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:44,240
of a university in Texas and now I can't
remember what it's called but they uh

626
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:51,200
utilized an uh arts health index for
communities and comparing us to

627
00:54:48,160 --> 00:55:00,319
Midwestern communities of small to
medium size. That is our category based

628
00:54:53,760 --> 00:55:06,480
on population. Um we're in the top 25%
or something like that nationwide.

629
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:12,480
Regionally, we're we're and and when you
narrow it down to more specific

630
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:20,800
communities our size and not as wide of
a range, we're in the top we're just

631
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:27,200
below the top 10%. Um we're or arts
vibrancy index is what it was called. Um

632
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:32,400
and this is nationally normed
comparisons of cities all across the

633
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:39,119
country. And so we're we're in a good
place. Um but there's plenty that we can

634
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:43,440
do to continue to improve. So I'm
anxious to see what their

635
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,839
recommendations are and and uh how this
moves forward. So

636
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,720
» any other questions?
>> I have a question. I'm not really sure

637
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:56,000
thinking how to phrase this. So in our
community right now there's a lot of

638
00:55:52,559 --> 00:56:00,000
discourse about what taxpayer funds
should be going towards, wants versus

639
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:04,400
needs, etc.
And my assumption, and it may not be

640
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:10,960
correct, is that the people involved in
that discourse did not take this survey.

641
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:16,960
And so,
is there any way to like include some of

642
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:22,000
that feedback and data in the
conversation as they're developing this

643
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:28,319
report? Because in the long run, I think
it is relevant that we have a community

644
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:32,640
of people here that are not supportive
of taxpayer funds going towards the

645
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:39,119
arts.
the the numbers that were reported in

646
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:45,359
the survey for both local and uh public
funding of arts

647
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:54,880
by the people who took it um were in the
um were in the uh I think the mid 80%

648
00:56:50,640 --> 00:57:00,720
range in support of public funding
to answer your question in terms of the

649
00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:09,040
kind of toxic environment that we're in
uh And it's not unique to Salina and any

650
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:17,440
community across the country.
The arts or public art are lightning

651
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:24,799
rods for people either not valuing or
not thinking it's important. And all all

652
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:30,119
I can tell you in terms of what we do
with this data [clears throat] is that

653
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:38,240
if
we opened this survey up for two and a

654
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:43,599
half months
and we advertised it on social on all

655
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:49,040
the same places that the people who
currently have an opinion

656
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:54,880
either didn't have three months ago or
chose not to take that opportunity to

657
00:57:51,680 --> 00:58:02,559
express their displeasure. So, for
whatever reason,

658
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:07,839
um I I personally I'm going to encourage
you all as commissioners and and our

659
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:14,000
city commissioners, I'll stand firm on
let's go with the opinions and the

660
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:19,680
recommendations that the most engaged
and active participants in our community

661
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:24,000
have said is important to them.
And and [clears throat]

662
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:30,799
can we close a gap of those who are
dissatisfied with some? Yes. I think

663
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:36,240
some of what's led to that toxicity
are

664
00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:43,119
are lies are are mischaracterizations of
the work we do or how we're funded or

665
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:48,400
what the cost of the programs is that we
do. So, we will continue to take the

666
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:54,400
high road and and to try to share that
information. uh it's it's a little

667
00:58:52,160 --> 00:59:01,599
early, but there are also some things
some of the folks who

668
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:07,520
who have those opinions may be those
that haven't had the opportunity either

669
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:12,319
financially or time to engage with some
of the programs or services that are

670
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:17,680
offered through not just us but all of
the arts agencies in town. I think

671
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:23,760
that's an area that we're going to see
as a need for improvement. How do we

672
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:28,559
build bridges and close those gaps? But
um I'm going to wait for the for the

673
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:32,960
final data to come, but we will not do
any more surveying at this point.

674
00:59:30,799 --> 00:59:38,240
» Right. And I think that building bridges
piece is the part that I'm curious

675
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:43,200
about. Uh and and again, not to reveal
too much uh because I' I'd rather that

676
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:47,920
Keane did it, but one of the areas in
the preliminary survey results that they

677
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:54,720
showed us, and again, we haven't gotten
any of the data to really drill down on

678
00:59:50,240 --> 01:00:00,240
it, but it did show that um financial
accessibility to programs and services

679
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:03,680
offered through the arts is limited. And
we don't know if that means

680
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:08,960
transportation getting to and from an
event, whether that's a cost of

681
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:13,280
admission, whether that's um not
knowing, you know, not having it easily

682
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:18,000
accessible in their neighborhood. And
and you know, those kinds of things.

683
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:23,119
Well, those are things we will do
additional once we once we see the

684
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:28,079
report and the recommendations, we'll be
coming back to you all. How do we how do

685
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:34,000
we close this gap? How do we make this
better? you know, and and both us and

686
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:40,960
the other nonprofits who provide
cultural services. So, um it'll be a

687
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:48,799
community effort, but but that is um the
underserved um uh and those who who

688
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:53,760
economically struggle to get to the
events or programs is going to be an

689
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:57,440
area that will show up.
>> Yeah.

690
01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:00,960
One of the things I did when I was
because we were challenged to get people

691
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:05,200
to take the survey was some of those
that I saw that were very angry on the

692
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:10,559
internet and posting and I reached out
to them and said, "Hey, here's a survey.

693
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:13,680
It seems like it doesn't matter, but
this is where you guys can give that

694
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:18,240
input." Like, we want to hear from
everybody. And I can't tell you that

695
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:22,720
they all took me up on it. I hope they
did, but I know that that was one of the

696
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:26,400
things when I was out trying to get
people to help take the survey. That was

697
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:30,960
one of the things I really was like,
you're very angry about public art and

698
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:36,160
those things. Please take this. Give us
your input. Let's make bridge the gap

699
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:38,640
and try to be better. So, did they end
up taking the survey? Who knows,

700
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,240
» right?
>> I hope they did. I hope they took their

701
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:49,920
opportunity to have their voice heard.
Yeah, we we put it in media sources that

702
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:57,200
are both um pro and and uh regularly
against most anything we do. Um and so

703
01:01:53,920 --> 01:02:02,640
there there was ample opportunity to
weigh in and and we we will follow the

704
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:07,119
recommendations of those who
participated.

705
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:13,599
» Other questions? I think one of the
things I'm hoping comes out of this when

706
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:18,640
the survey and the plan is out there is
I'll call it education.

707
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:23,760
Um I just this morning I had a friend
who once again I'm off on her personal

708
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:28,799
tangent but the problem with public
guard and salina is all that money comes

709
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:33,520
directly from first responders. It all
comes straight from the firemen and the

710
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:38,079
police. And I I've tried to
>> That's very generous of them. Yeah, I

711
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:40,720
know that they we miss writing them a
thank you.

712
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:46,720
» Well, maybe we need to edit the list.
You know, [laughter]

713
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:52,240
» you you just you try, but having
accurate information come from reliable

714
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:58,000
sources is going to be so critical to
keeping things moving forward.

715
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:06,559
» Yeah, it's it's a difficult time for
staff to function, for city employees

716
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:16,559
especially. Um and and uh it's it's um
become a fairly toxic environment. But

717
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:22,720
um but I also u uh I I don't spend a lot
of time reading the negative. But I have

718
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:29,760
heard regularly as I go through town or
or participate in a civic club or or am

719
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:35,440
at church or or somewhere else. I I'll
um have people regularly say, "Thank you

720
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:41,920
for what you're doing. Keep up the good
work. We value the work you're doing."

721
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:49,280
uh you know they're sharing opinions and
others to encourage us to continue and

722
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:53,680
and I uh um I I
uh

723
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:59,200
I don't think Salina would have had the
success it has in its economic and

724
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:03,520
programming development over the last
decade if we were doing things really

725
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:10,720
poorly.
you know this we are the envy of many

726
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:19,200
other cities in Kansas wanting to know
how do you do what you do and and um and

727
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:24,240
every community our size it doesn't
matter what size are there problems

728
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:29,680
certainly they are but are there people
addressing them and working on them in a

729
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:38,400
responsible and transparent competent
way yes and And I'm I continue to be

730
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:44,640
happy to be a part of that and in a
community that that is striving to get

731
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:51,839
better every day. And uh and I think
we'll get there. Um, I some of you have

732
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:57,760
been around long enough to remember, but
I told our staff and I I talked to some

733
01:04:54,240 --> 01:05:01,200
of the executive staff because two only
two of the members of the executive

734
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:08,319
staff
that I when I started 16 years ago,

735
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:13,920
there's only two of the 12 that were
there. And so they don't remember the

736
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:19,440
early 2000s when we launched our public
art program and the ugliness through

737
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:25,039
media then and it wasn't social media,
it was print and radio and and public

738
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:31,599
opinion and anger and I mean it it went
on for like three years. And when I told

739
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:35,280
him this will pass, you know, there's
things that we did in in public

740
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:38,720
awareness. I quit using the word
education because people felt like we

741
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:43,520
were calling them dumb. That's not what
we were doing. But we were raising

742
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:50,640
awareness about how we make decisions,
how money is spent, where it comes from,

743
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:58,960
and and we were able to lower that toxic
level in less than three years to to

744
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:04,240
when we went intentional about it. Well,
I think if we can do the same thing as a

745
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:10,640
community and and start addressing some
of these issues one by one and and and

746
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:17,680
holding our ground and being transparent
on what's happening and why and what

747
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:24,319
it's going to cost, I think u uh we'll
move that needle and and uh and then

748
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:28,079
there there will always be a group of
people no matter what we do that are not

749
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:35,760
to be convinced.
and that we'll choose to be unhappy.

750
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:42,640
But but we we can't fix that.
But we can continue to do our best work

751
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:47,760
and try to keep moving forward in a
positive way. So

752
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:53,520
» I think also it helps um and you do this
pretty regularly um Brad and that is to

753
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:57,359
talk about the economic impact
>> Yeah.

754
01:06:53,920 --> 01:07:04,319
» of the arts in the community. The how
that has a positive economic impact and

755
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:12,559
often times I think the anger that that
we hear um is is broadly about money and

756
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:19,280
you're spending money on things that
don't help me

757
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:23,599
» kind of attitude and um
you know just to talk about the fact

758
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:28,160
that well this this uh we we see this
money coming into Salina we see this

759
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:33,920
money benefiting the community as a
whole from the impact of the arts I

760
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:37,839
think is an important thing to to just
keep saying

761
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:44,400
» well there's there's some generational
shifts that have happened and and uh at

762
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:48,480
the as a tail end of the baby boomers
you you always picked a career either

763
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:52,000
based on your vocational preparation or
how much it paid

764
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:56,240
» that's that's when where when you went
to a new town or to did something it was

765
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:58,799
all about the work you know the work was
first

766
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:02,720
» and
a generation of workers [clears throat]

767
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:08,079
is saying no it's about the quality of
my life the the environment that I have

768
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:15,839
the amenities that I have for my own
social and personal enjoyment first then

769
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:22,400
how much am I getting paid and what is
the nature of the job is second and

770
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:26,880
that's for for
guys

771
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:31,759
» old white guys like me and older
trying to get your head around that

772
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:36,480
being a value that yes, having murals,
having sculpture, having activity,

773
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:42,319
having cool places to shop, a beautiful
environment to work, nice parks and

774
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:48,159
trails and and ball fields and all of
this. Those are the decision makers of

775
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:53,920
the 2 to 3,000 jobs Selena is trying to
attract in the next few years. Those are

776
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:57,040
going to be critical to be able to build
that workforce. to keep people from

777
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,159
moving away
>> and to keep the ones here,

778
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:04,239
» keep people from moving away.
>> Yeah. There's there's national data that

779
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:11,080
shows through Americans for the Arts
that if

780
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:11,080
if if we didn't have a steifans

781
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:29,600
who live here and attend an occasional
show would go somewhere else to get it.

782
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:34,719
» You know, that's money lost in the
community. So, not only is it what it

783
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:40,400
attracts and brings, it also keeps money
here that otherwise

784
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:48,400
wouldn't wouldn't be here. Yeah.
So, um I I I think I think it'll be

785
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:54,719
important to move to a time of of both
the economic development but also um how

786
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:58,800
we talk about the social, environmental,
and community building benefit because a

787
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:05,280
lot of good things happen
>> when you get people together at a stage

788
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:11,520
downtown, you know, um and you get to
celebrate music or or have live music at

789
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:17,920
a farmers market or or you know
participate in a creative act. Um it

790
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:21,760
makes us better and so I I think we have
to do both.

791
01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:26,560
» Very well said Brad. Seriously. Thanks.
>> Very well said. Yeah.

792
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:30,520
» Other comments
or questions of Brad.

793
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:38,560
All right. Next is clarifying questions
or other items.

794
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:43,760
I forgot to mention that I have a lot of
extra copies of the census flyer. If you

795
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:48,440
know somebody that is a director of like
a church group or prescer

796
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:06,800
I I'd like for everybody to report next
month on uh how many people you got to

797
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:11,040
take the census. We can have a uh
contest. I'll I'll uh I'll bring a

798
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:15,679
prize, Bob. [laughter]
If you want to uh if you I'll I'll have

799
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:18,880
a mystery surprise.
>> You have a free bottle of water.

800
01:11:18,509 --> 01:11:24,560
[laughter]
>> It'll be better than that. Um I I should

801
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:30,880
I do I've talked a lot today. Sorry. But
um I I do want to mention for those of

802
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:35,679
you that haven't seen, there hasn't been
an obituary, a formal notice, but we

803
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:42,080
lost a really instrumental artist to the
community last week. U Harley Elliott uh

804
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:49,679
was a professor at MRy Mount. He was an
education director at at uh the Selena

805
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:56,320
Art Center. He was a poet, a novelist,
a visual artist. um and uh um and did

806
01:11:54,640 --> 01:12:03,199
some important work for us over the
years uh through the river festival and

807
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:08,880
other things. But he was uh um personal
friend of mine and and uh my first

808
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:12,960
college professor that really touched me
and in my creative work.

809
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:17,199
There will be a memorial service, not a
memorial, but a time for people who

810
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:23,760
either knew Harley or want to share
memories sometime in the next four to

811
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:29,360
six weeks. Uh, but they haven't selected
the location or the or the time yet. So,

812
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:35,280
we watch for an announcement or if you
have an interest in being notified when

813
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:40,400
that is, um, let me know.
>> Good. Thanks for sharing. uh had a

814
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:46,239
friend come back from out of state who
left shortly after graduation 25 years

815
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:51,440
ago and she was wandering Oakdale Park
and found her trash can

816
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:55,600
» from high school and she was just
>> photos and was so excited and like oh my

817
01:12:53,679 --> 01:13:00,000
god it's still here. So [laughter]
when when we do the like the tiles and

818
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:04,080
the lasting projects, like it's it's
interesting because I was thinking about

819
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:09,600
her being all excited and she'd been
gone for 20ome years and I was like,

820
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:13,920
"Wow, it's still here."
>> Oh, pretty cool.

821
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:17,120
» Anything else for anyone? Um, just to
put on your calendar, if you haven't

822
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:24,239
followed Four Days in June on the
website, um, I just heard today they um

823
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:29,840
are going to be in uh, one of the first
festivals they've been invited to. Um,

824
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:36,159
and it'll be close. It'll be in Witchah.
It's the Salt City Film Festival or from

825
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:42,960
Hutch, but they're doing it in Witchah.
and so uh late September, but check out

826
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:47,920
the 4 days in June website and if you're
interested in and going or car

827
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:54,800
poolooling or going down to see that um
they uh that that's the first of what

828
01:13:50,880 --> 01:14:01,440
they hope are many. So cool
and close, you found the remaining uh

829
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:06,159
2026 meeting dates and
guess

830
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:08,880
public forum. Nobody's here. No. Yeah,
we don't.

831
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:12,880
» So, we're not going to go through that.
Uh, so hearing no other comments,

832
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:16,080
someone want to make a motion to
adjurnn.

833
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:19,679
» I move we adjourn.
>> A second.

834
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:25,199
» Second.
>> Move and second. Any discussion on that?

835
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:28,960
Hearing none. Everybody in favor say I.
>> I. Both same sign. Let's

836
01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:33,800
» talk for 15 minutes on whether or not to
adjourn. [laughter]

837
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:33,800
Yeah, exactly.