1 00:00:02,879 --> 00:00:07,400 This conference will now be recorded. 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:15,599 » Good afternoon everyone. Welcome. I'd like to call to order the city of Salmon 3 00:00:13,599 --> 00:00:21,600 regular council meeting of Monday, August 24th. Welcome to you all. Welcome 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:26,640 to our staff, guests who are in the gallery and council members both who are 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:30,320 here virtually and in person. Councelor Lingurn, Councelor Cannon, Councelor 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:35,040 Wallace Richmond, Councelor Ganella, and myself are in the council chamber. 7 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:38,200 Councelor Lavy, good afternoon. Nice to see you. 8 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:46,879 Councilors, we have a uh agenda to consider. I will check with our CEO to 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:51,520 see if there are any um changes to the agenda. 10 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:56,719 » Yes, your worship. Um there's an addition of an in camera session as item 11 00:00:53,680 --> 00:01:02,239 four and the following late submissions letter dated August 20th 2026 related to 12 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:08,479 item 22.1 uh VP627 13 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:16,880 as well as item 14.1 emails of August 23rd and 22nd um from Armore and a group 14 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:21,680 and uh that's it. >> Great. Thank you. If I could have a 15 00:01:18,479 --> 00:01:24,960 motion to adopt that agenda as uh adjusted. Thank you, Councelor Wallace 16 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:28,560 Richmond. Okay, I can get that question after I 17 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,720 get a seconder. Councelor Ganella, councelor Canon, 18 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:40,720 » please go ahead. >> Was there also a change in the agenda of 19 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:46,000 how two things line up the order? >> I through your worship to councelor 20 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:50,640 Cannon. Yes, that was also contemplated. Um item 21 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:54,479 10 10.11 22 00:01:52,399 --> 00:01:58,320 and 10.10 will be switched. Thank you for that. 23 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,200 » Thank you councelor Can for cashing. I'll check with her mover and seconder. 24 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:06,399 Make sure you're comfortable with that. Yes. Okay. Um any other input to that 25 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:10,959 motion? Call a question. All those in favor? 26 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:15,120 Thank you very much. Um I'd like to acknowledge our traditional territory. 27 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,879 We acknowledge we're gathering here on the traditional territory of the 28 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,959 Shaquetmik people with whom we share these lands where we live and we work 29 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:27,360 together. Council, as uh you heard, we're going to 30 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:32,640 move in uh in camera. Um we have a motion for consideration and I'll ask 31 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:37,200 our CEO to read that motion. >> That pursuant to section 91 of the 32 00:02:35,519 --> 00:02:40,080 community charter, council moving camera. 33 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:44,400 » Thank you. Is there a mover and a seconder? Councelor Lingren, councelor 34 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:49,360 Cannon. Thank you. Just before I call the uh vote on it, um for members of the 35 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:55,040 public who might be with us um at this time, uh our regular session will 36 00:02:51,680 --> 00:03:01,560 reconvene at 100 p.m. Any input to the motion? 37 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,560 Call a question. All those in favor 38 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:13,680 that passes unanimously. Thank you. We'll just give a minute to adjust uh 39 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,680 before we go into our camera session. 40 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:27,519 just check with our corporate officer. Um we're okay to uh continue with the 41 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:31,599 virtual um session that's on the screen now. 42 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,360 This conference will now be recorded. 43 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:55,200 I'd like to resume the city of Salmon regular council meeting of Monday, 44 00:03:52,319 --> 00:04:00,000 August the 24th. Um for those who are with us virtually, welcome to you all. I 45 00:03:57,519 --> 00:04:03,439 see that we have uh our media with us as well as some members of the public. 46 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,959 Councelor Lavy is also with us virtually. Councelor Lingren, councelor 47 00:04:05,519 --> 00:04:11,840 Cannon, councelor Walls Richmond, councelor Canella and myself are in the 48 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:15,840 council chamber along with our staff. So, welcome everyone. We have read the 49 00:04:14,239 --> 00:04:20,639 acknowledgement of traditional territory and we've adopted our agenda. I'm going 50 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:24,720 to ask councilors if there is any disclosure of interest that you have 51 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:29,320 over any of the items in the regular council meeting today. Councelor 52 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:38,720 Ganella. >> Thank you, your worship. In 53 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:45,120 correspondence 14.1.9, um the letter from the Trail Alliance, 54 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:52,759 um I have declared a conflict that my employer has sponsored the Trail 55 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:52,759 Alliance event each year. Um item 141.15 56 00:04:52,800 --> 00:05:01,520 um the Shishwap Agricultural Association's request for road closure. 57 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:05,040 Uh my organization I work for has rents the property the south fairgrounds from 58 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,759 this organization. >> Thank you councelor Ganell. When we get 59 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:09,759 there we'll deal with those two first and then you'll be able to return for 60 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:12,479 the rest. >> Appreciate it. Thank you. 61 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:16,520 » Any other disclosure of interest from any counselor at this time? 62 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:22,720 Okay. Seeing none, we'll uh continue with our business then. Um the first is 63 00:05:21,039 --> 00:05:26,960 confirmation of minutes of the regular council meeting of August the 10th. We 64 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:32,479 have a proposed motion. If I could have a mover and a seconder, councelor 65 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:38,639 Wallace Richmond and councelor Lingren. Thank you very much. Is there any 66 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:42,479 additions deletions to those minutes? Seeing none, I'll call a question. All 67 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:47,440 those in favor? That passes unanimously? Any business 68 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:51,039 arising? Council. Okay. We have one committee report which 69 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:56,800 says development planning services committee meeting minutes of August the 70 00:05:52,720 --> 00:06:00,639 17th. Is there any business arising from those minutes? 71 00:05:58,944 --> 00:06:04,080 [clears throat] Seeing none, we'll move to the Columbia 72 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,479 Shushwap Regional District update. We don't have a written update today, but 73 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:15,560 perhaps one of our reps wishes to uh speak to any happenings in the CSRD as 74 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,560 would be welcome if you do. 75 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:23,919 Seeing none, we will move forward. Um, we don't have any presentations today, 76 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:29,120 so we'll go to tab 10, which is the staff reports. The first one is the 77 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:33,600 corporate officer's uh report on the deputy chief financial officer 78 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:38,319 appointment. We do have a proposed motion. Um, councelor Canam will move 79 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:44,400 that motion. Councelor Wallace Richmond will second. And I'll ask Miss West if 80 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:48,800 she would speak to the report. Thank you, your worship and members of 81 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:54,000 council. The report before you seeks council's formal appointment of Chelsea 82 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:59,520 Vanderapel as deputy chief financial officer for the city of Salmon effective 83 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:05,360 August 24th, 2026. This is an administrative and statutory 84 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:10,560 appointment required under section 149 of the community charter and the city's 85 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:15,840 officers designation and establishment bylaw number 4267. 86 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:19,360 The community charter requires that a municipal officer be assigned 87 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:24,240 responsibility for financial administration and the city's bylaw 88 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:29,199 establishes both the chief financial officer and the deputy chief financial 89 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:34,960 officer roles and identifies the powers, duties, and functions associated with 90 00:07:31,599 --> 00:07:39,759 those positions. If council supports the motion, Chelsea Vanderapel will be 91 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:45,919 formally appointed as deputy chief financial officer and an oath of office 92 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:52,560 will be sworn following the appointment. There are no financial implications 93 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:56,960 identified, but with the appointment of Miss Vanderapel, adding her to the 94 00:07:55,199 --> 00:08:00,879 financial department will definitely be an asset. 95 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:04,560 » Thank you very much. and I'm available for questions. [snorts] 96 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:09,720 » Counselors, any questions or comments that you have around this motion? 97 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:17,680 » Seeing none, I will call the question. All those in favor 98 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:22,240 that passes unanimously. Thank you. We'll move to 10 two, which is from the 99 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:26,800 manager of engineering and planks here today on the Claire's Cove lift station 100 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:31,759 upgrade award of contract. There is a proposed motion. Um, councelor Lavy, are 101 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:36,399 you uh comfortable moving it? Thank you. Is there a second to the motion? 102 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:41,039 Councelor Ganella, and I'll ask uh Blank if she would speak to the report. Good 103 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:46,800 afternoon. Nice to have you here. >> Thank you, your worship. 104 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:51,440 » In 2025, the city issued a request for proposals for the full replacement of 105 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:55,360 the Claris Cove lift station. The procurement process did not proceed as 106 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:01,200 the pricing received at that time exceeded the approved project budget. 107 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:05,600 In 2026, the city revised the project scope and issued a new request for 108 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:11,279 proposals for the Claris Cove lift station upgrades. The revised scope 109 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:16,480 focuses on priority improvements to the existing facility, including replacement 110 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:21,279 of pumps and associated components, installation of a spray-on liner, force 111 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:25,360 main works, and related site improvements. These upgrades are 112 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:29,360 required to maintain the reliable operation of the lift station and ensure 113 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:34,399 the continued provision of sanitary sewer service. The request for proposals 114 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:40,880 for the Claire's Cove lift station upgrades closed on July 16th, 2026. One 115 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:46,080 proposal was received by the closing deadline from Spark Industries and 116 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:49,080 Automation with a proposed price of $272,947.89 117 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:58,720 89 plus applicable taxes. The proposal was reviewed by the project coordinator, 118 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:03,839 capital works supervisor, loss and engineering, and the utilities manager. 119 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:08,200 Although the submitted price exceeds the engineering estimate of $245,600, 120 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:14,880 staff are satisfied that that the proposal meets the project requirements 121 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:19,519 and represents fair value for the proposed scope of work. It is also 122 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:24,480 within the approved project budget of $490,000. 123 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:29,120 Based on the evaluation, staff recommend that council select Spark Industries and 124 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:33,519 Automation as the preferred proponent and authorize staff to negotiate and 125 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:37,200 finalize a construction contract in accordance with the terms and conditions 126 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:40,800 of the request for proposals. I'm available for any questions. Thank you. 127 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:44,160 » Great. Thank you very much. I'll open it up to council if you have questions or 128 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:50,000 have comments. We'll start with councelor Cannon. So I just had a 129 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:55,519 question in regards to the project budget is 490 130 00:10:53,120 --> 00:11:01,279 but this is just a portion that we're allotting or did we downsize uh what 131 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:06,560 this project was going to be cuz of the the bids that came over the 245 that 132 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:12,959 Lawson had uh uh did the estimate on. So you're 133 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:18,079 referring to under financial considerations where it says the 134 00:11:14,959 --> 00:11:24,079 proposal submitted by Spark with 272 plus applicable taxes is within the 135 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:28,720 available project budget at 490,000. >> So did we budget 490 for this project 136 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,440 and we're just doing a portion of it is my question. 137 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,959 » Thank you. Um Miss Plank, could you answer that question 138 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:40,560 » through your worship? My understanding was that the original project scope that 139 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:44,880 went out um the bids that came in exceeded the project budget of uh 140 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:49,440 490,000 and then the scope was adjusted and sent 141 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:56,640 out and we received the one bid from Spark. So their bid uh with within the 142 00:11:53,519 --> 00:12:01,839 revised scope um does fall within the project budget and the remainder of that 143 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:06,240 will be to do some other site works. So, I understand some of that will be done, 144 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:09,600 I believe, by city staff. >> Miss C. Uh, councelor Cannon, do you 145 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:16,639 have any followup? >> Yeah. So, just so I understand, Spark 146 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:22,639 was awarded with the 272 947. 147 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Uh, but the budget project or the project budget is 490. So, the rest of 148 00:12:25,839 --> 00:12:30,959 the works to bring it up to that will get done by city staff. 149 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,360 M >> plank 150 00:12:31,839 --> 00:12:36,959 » for your worship. Our project coordinator who was part of the 151 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,360 evaluation process is here. So perhaps he can answer those questions in more 152 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,320 detail. >> Good afternoon, 153 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:47,760 » Mr. Daf. It's so pleasant to see you. >> Thank you very much. Your worship. Uh 154 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:52,880 yeah so the uh the original uh uh scope of the project when we budgeted the 490 155 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:57,920 included a electrical work which is uh included a kiosk placement and it 156 00:12:55,279 --> 00:13:03,440 included a grading of the work uh lock block fencing and side grading. Uh so 157 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:07,200 we're only awarding one portion of the work right now which is the the lining 158 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:12,320 and the replacement of the bump. Later on we are uh the the remaining of the 159 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:18,079 budget will be used to uh procure a kiosk as well as uh use the city staff 160 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:22,079 crew to uh uh grade the grade the site as well as put fencer around. 161 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,120 » So the remaining work to be done. >> Thank you. I'll just pass back to 162 00:13:23,839 --> 00:13:28,800 councelor canon. See if you have any follow my question. Yeah. 163 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:35,000 » Thank you very much. >> Um is there any other questions or 164 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,000 comments counselors have? 165 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:43,440 I guess I would just I just comment. Um first of all, thank you for your work. 166 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:48,959 Um we know that the list station at uh Claire's Cove Marina pumps the sewage 167 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:55,040 from canoe to the treatment plant in Seminar. Um so it's a very important 168 00:13:51,440 --> 00:14:00,160 project. The upgrade is essential to make sure it works. Um, and the cost is 169 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:06,480 about $27,000 over the budget, which is um, in a 170 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:11,600 budget this size, it's um, some money, but it's not um, I would say not 171 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:16,880 prohibitive. So, I certainly will uh, support the motion to move ahead. 172 00:14:15,199 --> 00:14:22,399 See no other speakers, I will call a question. All those in favor? 173 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:25,920 That passes unanimously. Thank you very much. 174 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:30,240 Okay, we'll go to 10 three, which is a manager of engineering water meter 175 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:34,639 pressure response. There's no motion here. This is for information. Um, I'll 176 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:39,440 ask Miss Plank if she'd like to to summarize the report. Thank you for 177 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:44,399 doing the research. >> Thank you, your worship. Um, at the 178 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:48,720 regular council meeting of July 13th, council received correspondence from a 179 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:52,560 property owner expressing concerns about water pressure at their residence and 180 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:57,680 requesting that the city replace their existing meter with a larger meter. They 181 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:01,839 have an existing 3/4 in water meter and they were requesting that the city 182 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:06,079 replace it with a 1-in meter. So, analysis by staff indicated that the 183 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:11,120 pressure loss experienced at the residence is largely due to the length 184 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:16,480 of the service. So their service is about a thousand feet long and the 185 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:23,120 average length of a service in the city is closer to say anywhere from 30 to 65 186 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:29,040 ft long. So they have an excessively long um pipe going long service a 1-in 187 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:34,240 pipe going from the main in the street up to their residence. In addition, 188 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:39,440 their residence sits about 6 ft higher than the pipe in the street or 6 ft 189 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:43,680 above the elevation of the street. So that causes some loss of pressure about 190 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:48,800 uh the equivalent of about 2 pounds per square inch. Um there's there's a little 191 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:55,360 bit of loss across the meter, but that's less than 1 PSI. And the analysis 192 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:59,839 indicated that even replacing the 3/4in meter with a 1-in meter would not 193 00:15:57,839 --> 00:16:04,399 materially affect the loss of pressure. Primarily, it's because of the length of 194 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:08,480 the service. Uh having said that, the pressure that they're experiencing at 195 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:13,759 their residence, they're indicating it's about 32 pounds per square inch, that 196 00:16:10,959 --> 00:16:17,120 does meet the minimum pressure requirements in our subdivision 197 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:23,279 servicing standards. So they are receiving the pressure that's in align 198 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:27,600 um in alignment with our standards and uh I am available for any further 199 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:32,320 questions you may have. >> Thank you very much. Thank you very much 200 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,880 for that uh report and for the summary. Counselors, I'll open it up to you if 201 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,639 you have any questions. Councelor Lingren, please go ahead. 202 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:42,639 » Thanks, Worship. Um, always interesting to learn something new about something 203 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:48,320 you never heard of before. So, um, I'm just curious about mitigation for this 204 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:52,720 um, household. Are there other things that they can do besides replacing the 205 00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:55,920 meter? And is it worth our while or is it too expensive to replace the meter 206 00:16:54,399 --> 00:17:00,399 just to show them that that's not where the issue is? Um could they for instance 207 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,440 have a pump on their property that increases water pressure? 208 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,760 » M plank >> through your worship that is exactly 209 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:11,199 what they could do to boost the pressure individually on their own uh on their 210 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:14,640 own service. They could install a pressure pump on their service. Okay. 211 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:18,240 Thanks. >> Thank you. 212 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:22,439 » As there's no motion, is there any other comment or question on this report? 213 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:29,520 » We appreciate staff bringing it to council. Thank you so much. Okay, we'll 214 00:17:27,919 --> 00:17:34,640 go to 10.4 which is manage of engineering auto road connector Fordus 215 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:38,080 BC high-pressure gas mains. Um moved by councelor Lavy, seconded by councelor 216 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:42,000 Ganella. Miss plank, we're back to you. Thank you 217 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:48,720 very much. >> Thank you your worship. The proposed 218 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:54,799 autoroad connector crosses two Fordis BC high-pressure transmission pipelines and 219 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:59,039 in May of 2024, council approved Fordis BC to complete a class 4 estimate for 220 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:03,679 upgrading [clears throat and snorts] or replacement of these two mains. The 221 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:09,440 estimate package was received in July 2025 and this confirmed that due to 222 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:13,919 their age and their depth, the both pipelines would have to be replaced at a 223 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:16,919 lower depth for an estimated cost of $1,643,000. 224 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:24,000 However, the estimate that was provided at that time was valid for only 3 months 225 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:30,400 and had expired by the time that the 2026 budget was approved. A revised 226 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:36,280 estimate was received in July 2026 with an increase of $33,000 227 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,280 to $1,676,000. 228 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:43,679 An alternative option was considered and that was leaving the pipelines in place 229 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:48,000 and modifying the autoro connector design, but due to the shallow depth and 230 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:52,160 age of the mains and the steep topography, an alternative option was 231 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:57,120 not feasible. Fortis BC have proposed a schedule for 232 00:18:54,559 --> 00:19:02,320 the works and provided that the city completes the cost letter agreement 233 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:07,520 during August 2026. Fortis will complete archaeological investigations and 234 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:12,559 material procurement in 2027 and commence construction in May of 2028. 235 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:17,440 This would allow the city to commence the construction of the auto road 236 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:22,080 connector in 2029 subject to available funds. And I'm available for any 237 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,360 questions. Thank you. Great. Thank you very much uh for the report. We'll turn 238 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,320 it over to council if they have questions or comments. Councelor 239 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:33,039 Lingram, we'll start with you. >> Thanks worship. I just a question about 240 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:38,960 why this is the city's cost to bear. If this belongs to Foris and the age of and 241 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:44,000 the depth of the pipes make them high risk for whatever reason, 242 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:50,640 why isn't Foris having to pay to have them moved and replaced? 243 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:54,960 » Miss Plank, can you respond to that? uh through your worship. I don't know 244 00:19:52,960 --> 00:20:01,360 the answer to that question. I believe it may have to do with the fact that the 245 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:07,919 city is um requesting to do some work to to account for or to accommodate our 246 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:13,600 auto road connector. I don't know if the timeline if Foris would have uh replace 247 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:17,600 them perhaps later, but I can certainly do some more investigation and find out 248 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:22,880 exactly why. And I also don't know if this cost that has been quoted is the 249 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:26,720 entire cost to replace those mains or whether that's just the city's portion, 250 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,200 but I can certainly find out some some answers for you. 251 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,320 » Yeah, I think I'd like to know if that's a cost share then because that would 252 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:37,600 make a lot of sense actually if that's the if that's the case. Thanks. 253 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:43,600 » Thank you, Councelor Lingren. Um, are there other comments um from council? 254 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:47,840 Councelor Lavy. >> Yeah, thanks Mayor Harrison. Uh just a 255 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,799 question through you the finance staff. I think I'm not sure who's in the 256 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:54,080 gallery, but I think we have some potential candidates for council online 257 00:20:53,280 --> 00:21:01,200 here. Um >> we do we have an expert out there. 258 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:06,880 » There uh is so the the proposal of taking almost $1.7 million out of the uh 259 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:12,159 reserve fund, the auto road extension reserve fund through you to I think 260 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:17,360 finance staff. Um could they generally describe 261 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:23,280 how that reserve account is funded? >> Mr. Graniac. 262 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:29,120 » Uh thank you your worship and through to councelor Lavy. We fund it um every 263 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:33,520 year. We throw some money in every year and then it accumulates interest and I 264 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:37,360 don't know when the fund started but I can I can look back on that and we 265 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,960 continue to fund it through taxation every year. Thank you, 266 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,159 » Councelor Lavy. >> Yeah, thanks. Thanks for that 267 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:47,760 information. It certainly confirms my understanding. So, general comments 268 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:53,679 worship fully support this. This is important news. Um, this is key road 269 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:59,760 infrastructure. It's been long needed. Um, it's important, I think, for 270 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:05,440 residents to understand that these things happen step by step, phase by 271 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:11,760 phase. And I'm glad to hear the using words like 2028 and 2029, all of it 272 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:18,880 contingent on available funding, but this is how local governments do it. I 273 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:24,000 would just note that one about $1.7 million is the equivalent if it was to 274 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:30,960 be done right off the bat out of taxation almost a 7% tax increase. So to 275 00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:36,159 get these important, highly prioritized items underway, it takes time. Not only 276 00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:42,880 for design, not only for working with other agencies like we have here, it 277 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:48,640 takes time to save the money so that the project moves forward. residents aren't 278 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:53,280 hit with a huge tax bill and that we squirrel money away in the reserve 279 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:58,960 responsibly to get to these high uh high highly 280 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:05,039 needed infrastructure. Uh kudos to staff for uh guiding this and I look forward 281 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:08,640 to it being done. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other comments or 282 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,919 questions from council? Councelor Lingren. 283 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:15,840 » Uh thanks worship. Just a question about the auto road connector. Do we have a 284 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:20,320 ballpark figure of what that project will cost one day if say we were to be 285 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:24,240 able to do it in 2029? We'd have to save a lot of money I imagine. 286 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,919 » Um not sure who to ask that perhaps Miss 287 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:33,200 Plank. >> Thank you through your worship. The uh I 288 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:38,960 believe there is 3.4 million in the current reserve account and what I noted 289 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:44,159 from looking at this project is in the 20-year plan. There's another I believe 290 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:49,280 it's 4 million allocated for 2029. So, um those are the two numbers that I 291 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:55,840 have available right now. >> Okay. But we don't know if that 292 00:23:53,039 --> 00:24:01,919 4 million plus whatever's left here, 1.7 million that's left over is going to be 293 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:04,799 enough to do the um actual work. I guess >> that's through your worship. That's a 294 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:09,679 very good question. there are factors that could um in the subsequent years 295 00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:13,760 there could be changes to the costs of materials that kind of thing. Um but at 296 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:18,880 at this point that's what we have allocated and because it's kind of a I 297 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:22,720 mean that's that's several years out so as we get closer to doing things like 298 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,679 the detail design we'll have more refined cost estimates. 299 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:30,799 » Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you confident. 300 00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:37,760 Um the question that I had is the revised estimate was received in July 301 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:46,159 and it was an increase of 33,000. So if we go along this route and we're 302 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:52,240 looking at uh a letter agreement August 2026 303 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:58,240 uh material procurement 2027 construction May 2028. Does this 304 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:06,400 agreement lock us in to this price or are we looking at possibly 33,000 plus 305 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:09,679 added on each year that we have? >> Miss blank. 306 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:14,159 » Uh through your worship. Um my understanding based on the history of 307 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:20,960 this is that initially the um there was a cost estimate of 1,643,000 308 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:26,640 that was valid for three months. And the cost um the reason this item is coming 309 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:33,919 forward again is because there was an increase from that time of 33,000 to so 310 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:40,159 it's now uh 1,676,000. Um I don't know what factors influence 311 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:46,480 that cost but it is it is possible that um if if um this agreement does not take 312 00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:50,960 place that again the cost will be adjusted. I don't know um if this I'm 313 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:57,120 assuming that this agreement similarly has a kind of a cuto off date that says 314 00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:01,039 it's valid for this period of time. It could be similar to the previous one 315 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:07,279 that says this amount this agreement is valid for 3 months and then another 316 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:12,320 estimate would have to be created. I that would be my that would be my guess. 317 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:17,840 So here worship three. So my question is forest BC have proposed a schedule for 318 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:25,200 the works similar to the three-month one which expired. So if we go into this 319 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:28,720 agreement, is this pricing locked in on these timelines? 320 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:33,600 Miss Blank, uh, >> through your worship, I I would make the 321 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,679 assumption, yes, I can find out for sure, but I believe once the agreement 322 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:43,279 is signed that says this is the price for the work, um, that would be the 323 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:46,559 price for the work, but I can certainly find out if that's the case. 324 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:50,880 » Thank you. I I support this. I think that's a important uh connection in our 325 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:57,760 roads. >> Thank you, Councelor Cannon. 326 00:26:53,679 --> 00:27:03,360 Any other speakers to the motion? Okay, I'll just summarize my thoughts. 327 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:08,720 Um, this is part of our long-term strategic plan and the reason it is such 328 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:14,559 an important connector is because of the densification that's happened up in the 329 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:18,640 Hillrest area and what happens presently is the traffic gets funneled down 10th 330 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:24,960 down fifth um through the residential areas um even 331 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:31,039 if it's not heading in that way. So this is a long had been a long planned uh 332 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:34,960 connector road to move the traffic so that it uh does not have to go in that 333 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:40,480 direction. The 334 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:47,200 land acquisition piece um took some time and we have always known that the fortis 335 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:52,400 gas mains are there. Um for is not going to replace or move those gas mains and 336 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:58,640 they wouldn't if we didn't do our project. Um so I think it really is 337 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:03,760 important for us to lock in at this price as we can see if we don't the 338 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:09,440 increases will continue to happen. We do have the money to do the project and 339 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:16,000 when you work with fordis foris um does the procurement um of the project we 340 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:22,240 supply the money and that is how it works um when you work with uh when you 341 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:26,320 work with a utility like foris. So, I I really appreciate this uh piece, this 342 00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:30,640 report, and the fact that we're moving forward on the project, and I know the 343 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:35,360 residents that live down in that area certainly will be happy to see um this 344 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:40,559 progress being made, and especially as councelor Lavy said, with the dates that 345 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:45,840 are there. Um this is very promising. So, um major project um very important 346 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:50,240 project, I'll certainly support this step. 347 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:55,760 See no other speakers. So I will call a motion. All those in favor 348 00:28:53,520 --> 00:29:03,200 that passes unanimously. Thank you very much. 349 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:09,279 Okay, let's talk about washrooms. We have a report from the director of 350 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:14,320 operations. Um there isn't a motion yet. Um but there may well be. But how about 351 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:19,120 if we hear from Mr. JRo about Blackburn Park offseason washroom options and then 352 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:22,960 see if council wishes to make a motion. Thank you for your report. 353 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:27,919 » Thank you. Good afternoon worship members of council. So way back when 354 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:31,520 January 26 regular council meeting uh we received correspondence from Shishwap 355 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:36,240 youth soccer association requesting that washroom facilities be made available um 356 00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:40,080 for the newly built uh synthetic turf fields. 357 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:45,120 Um staff brought back a report in February with options for these washroom 358 00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:49,360 facilities to remain open. It outlined uh options um through discussions it was 359 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,520 determined that utilizing the existing washroom facility while protecting for 360 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:58,080 the winter weather would be the best option. Uh should be noted that staff 361 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:02,399 have received feedback over the years um from a variety of non-sock and non-sport 362 00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:06,000 users um including playground visitors, walkers throughout the year requesting 363 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:10,559 that this washroom remain open for longer portions of the year. 364 00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:13,520 uh including throughout winter months. So we've identified the work required 365 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:18,320 and prepared cost estimates which you can see in the the graph in the or table 366 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:21,360 in the report. Um for purpose of these estimates it was assumed that the 367 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:25,279 washrooms would remain open for the period where they are typically closed 368 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:31,760 which is approximately from October 31st to March 19th. This resulted in 140 369 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:36,880 additional days um of maintenance and operations if open each and every one of 370 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:40,640 these days. Um it would be anticipated that they would remain open, but the 371 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:46,399 hours could be varied um based on bookings and and use of the park. 372 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:50,240 Uh it should also be noted that other yearround public washrooms uh like Ross 373 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:54,080 Street Plaza, they typically don't receive uh weekend maintenance during 374 00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:59,279 the fall and winter months. When we have staff on weekends during the winter, 375 00:30:56,159 --> 00:31:02,640 they will uh tend to them. However, they typically do go the weekends without 376 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:07,360 maintenance and typically is not an issue. However, there's been vandalism 377 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,720 and graffiti um where it may lead to temporary closures until they can be 378 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:14,640 repaired. Um staff reviewed available funding 379 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:19,200 sources. Um we are quite confident that the replacement of the Meguire Lake 380 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:23,120 Fountain um is not required now um thanks to the repairs been completed on 381 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:28,159 that. There was a total of $100,000 budgeted um for that project within the 382 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:32,080 2026 budget and only a small portion of those funds have been allocated for the 383 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:38,240 repairs. So that leaves uh approximately $80,000. Alternatively, council could 384 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:42,320 fund through allocation from the Black Park Reserve Fund estimated to have a 385 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:47,200 year-end balance of approximately $210,000. 386 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:52,000 And if approved, uh staff would include funding required for ongoing operations 387 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:55,760 and maintenance within the 2027 parks operations maintenance budget. Um, 388 00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:01,120 however, we're quite confident that the the hours um for maintaining for the 389 00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:04,880 remainder of 2026 can be covered in this year's budget. 390 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,679 Um, I'm open to any questions you may have. 391 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:12,480 » Great. Thank you. Uh, I'm wondering if there's a counselor that would like to 392 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:17,679 make a motion that we allocate $5,750 from the Maguire Lake Fountain Fund um 393 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:21,519 for this project. Councelor Wallace Richmond. Councelor Cannon, thank you 394 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:23,600 for getting the motion on the floor. I'll go to councelor Wallace Richmond 395 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,279 next. >> Yes, thank you. Happy to move the 396 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:33,840 motion. Thank you to staff for um looking into it. Seems a very reasonable 397 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:36,480 solution and I will um 100% support it. >> Thank you councelor Wallace Richmond. 398 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:42,159 Councelor Cannon. >> Thank you worship. I too will support 399 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:48,297 this. Um I think as uh director of 400 00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:50,880 I always forget your title operations. [laughter] 401 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:56,240 » I was going to say SRS. got a lot of hats, so I get it. 402 00:32:52,480 --> 00:33:02,720 » Saw a different hat this morning. Um, we know that even before the youth 403 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:08,320 soccer approached us, um, in the past, especially early spring, uh, I always 404 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:13,200 fielded a lot of phone calls from moms and dads down there playing at the park 405 00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:19,360 with their kids and, you know, having to use a tree and they really wanted to see 406 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:24,559 year round uh, use of the washrooms down there. And I know it comes at a cost, 407 00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:28,399 but I think our taxpayers will really appreciate having a washroom to use year 408 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:31,120 round. >> Thank you, Councelor Cannon. Councelor 409 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,279 Lingren, >> thanks for worship. I too will support 410 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:39,440 this moving forward. I think we're um probably a little bit late coming to the 411 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:45,120 table with year round washrooms people. We've seen many instances across town. I 412 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:51,919 think we need more of these actually. Um uh my I've I've been inundated since um 413 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:59,840 whatever the last conference we went to was at UBCM. Um not UBCM 414 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:04,240 » FCM FCM in Edmonton. Um I've been inundated with uh emails from Urban 415 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:10,480 Blue, which is a company out of Quebec that um designs and builds uh 416 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:14,000 self-cleaning winterized type, you know, these magical washrooms that lock 417 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:18,320 themselves up at night. And I'm just thinking now this is a timely thing 418 00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:23,679 because maybe as we move forward with new washrooms and more washrooms that 419 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:28,960 are open 24/7 that and and particularly with um you know uh vandalism and people 420 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:35,440 attempting to sleep in washrooms, that sort of thing. Um we might want to start 421 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:40,240 looking at some company that's providing kind of smart washrooms. Um apparently 422 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:44,079 Summerland has one that is, you know, close enough for us to go and tour if we 423 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,679 wanted to. So anyway, just a thought for moving forward. 424 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:51,919 » Thank you, Councelor Lingren. Any other speakers to the motion? 425 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:56,240 Seeing none, I'll call a question. All those in favor? 426 00:34:54,079 --> 00:35:03,520 That passes unanimously. Thank you for the report and for the funding options. 427 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:08,800 Okay, we're at uh 10.6. Director of Plan and Community Services, Street Cafe 428 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:13,359 Policy Amendments. There is a motion for consideration. Um, is there a mover and 429 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,680 a second or councelor Lingren will move? Councelor Ganella will second. I'll ask 430 00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:20,160 Mr. Buckston if you would speak to the report. 431 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:25,040 » Thank you, worship, members of council. Absolutely. Um, dating back to June of 432 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:28,960 this year, um, council did receive some correspondence. We did report back in 433 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:35,680 July um with respect to that correspondence leading to a motion 434 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:40,400 um on July 27th from council asking us to review this policy based on the the 435 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,000 feedback that we provided in the letters that we 436 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,920 um that we got and council was looking for accessibility and barrier free 437 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:54,800 access requirements for street cafes and referring to building code requirements. 438 00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:59,599 So we've done that. Um the amended uh street cafe policy that is in front of 439 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:04,560 you. Um the primary amendment is in section 4.7D. Previously 440 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,960 um it was stated that patio should be accessible and strongly encouraged. 441 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:14,560 We've simply changed the the words in that section to read shall and required. 442 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:19,280 So it is now mandatory. Um, we also did look into the the 443 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:24,160 building code requirements and that led to a building accessibility 444 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:27,280 accessibility handbook, which is a um, if any of you have ever read the BC 445 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:31,440 building code and fallen asleep doing so, um, this is a much more user 446 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:36,000 friendly way of getting to the relevant provisions that deal with it. So, we've 447 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:40,880 referred to that. Um, and it makes reference to ramps with a grade of no 448 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:45,920 more than one in 12 or 5 degrees. Um, wheelchair access to all seating. um 449 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:49,760 with widths of no less than 1.5 meters and turnaround areas for wheelchairs of 450 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:56,160 no less than 1.5 meters. Those are the bare minimums that I sort of pulled out 451 00:36:52,720 --> 00:37:01,119 of that um that handbook. Um while we were into reviewing the 452 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:05,920 policy um the people that administer this made a couple of recommendations 453 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:11,520 that we've noted to sections 4 I 4 I uh 48 and 75 that are sort of 454 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:17,280 clarification amendments. They we're bringing those along. They're unrelated 455 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:21,520 really. Those just add clarity about uh certain issues. 456 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:26,560 Um those are just ad I would consider administrative amendments. Um we did 457 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:30,640 also refer the the policy changes to downtown salmon arm. Um and as you can 458 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:36,240 see in their correspondence, they have some concerns that the se that the 459 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:42,720 references in sections 43 and 47 with respect to uh wheelchair access widths 460 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,520 and turning radi um are a little too restrictive due to the limited 461 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:51,040 dimensions that occur on some of the patios. So um their their recommendation 462 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,720 is to limit the changes to the ramp being provided and to remove the other 463 00:37:52,960 --> 00:38:00,880 references. um staff didn't make those changes 464 00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:04,240 because those contradict the the reference in the motion to building code 465 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:08,720 requirements. So I felt that the the motion was quite specific. Um but if 466 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,400 council wanted to make those changes, I would recommend you refer it back to us 467 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:17,440 then rather than trying to maneuver through a motion this afternoon that 468 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:22,560 that picks apart certain sections. So um that that's a summary of the changes 469 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:26,960 that we've made. Um literally the the principal section changes from um should 470 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:31,520 to shall um strongly suggested to required so 471 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:35,920 that um they are now required to produce the ramps that were currently previously 472 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:40,079 just suggested. >> Thank you very much Mr. Buckston. Um we 473 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,760 will turn it over to council to see if they have any questions or comments. 474 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:50,720 Start with councelor Cannon. >> Thank you. Um, I really appreciate that 475 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:56,079 we took it to the DSA. Um, and I think that, you know, they really represent 476 00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:00,640 people that have the patios and 477 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:07,119 definitely, uh, Jennifer brought up some good, you know, some good thoughts. And 478 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:12,320 I think the do we have to do it exactly like the building code or can we am I 479 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:19,040 hearing that we can make changes to it to accommodate uh what 480 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,720 they're possibly recommending that we do. 481 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:27,920 » Mr. Buckton to the chair. If council wished to simply have the the motion 482 00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:33,359 refer to ramps then we can make those changes. Let's say I didn't because I 483 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:38,480 felt that council's council's motion was very clear [laughter] about what it 484 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:42,480 wanted to see in the in the amendments. But if council wanted to make that 485 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:48,320 recommendation, I can take it back, pull those things out um and bring it back 486 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:54,000 for for council to reconsider. I I think it, you know, is all about 487 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:58,560 accessibility and I think that if a ramp gives the accessibility that we're 488 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:04,720 looking for rather than restricting and taking up lots of more space of the 489 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:10,320 small patio already. Um I would like to see us just do ramps and accommodate 490 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:14,960 this suggestion from the DSA. >> Thank you, Councelor Cannon. Uh we'll 491 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:18,880 see how this discussion goes. I may come back for a deferral motion if if you 492 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,520 feel that's necessary. But >> so deferral is how we would handle it. 493 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,800 » Um I I'll just I don't want to talk about deferral right this minute because 494 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:31,520 we can't talk about it. But that would be an option. 495 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:34,800 » And the other option wouldn't be to make the motion do this. 496 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,480 » Yeah. I think Mr. Buckton was suggesting we send it back to staff. Mr. Buckton, 497 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:44,079 do you wish to comment? I think I if if council has the wish to 498 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:48,400 change it, my recommendation is to refer it refer it back to staff. Not defer, 499 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,440 but refer back. >> Yeah, 500 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:55,680 » that's an R and not a D. Correct. >> Got it. 501 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:58,560 » Okay, you're on it. That was my error. >> Um, councelor Cannon, you're you're 502 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,119 complete for now. >> Yeah. 503 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,560 » Okay, then we'll go to councelor Lingren next. 504 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,480 » Thanks, Worship. Um, so I feel a bit differently about this. I'm in favor of 505 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:15,839 approving this the way it's written. Um there are some pretty easy creative ways 506 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:19,760 to create that 1.5 or whatever it is 4T um space for a wheelchair to turn around 507 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,720 in. It can be that once you're on the ramp, the wheelchair accessible seating 508 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:28,319 is the first space. A table can be on a hinge so it can be lifted out of the way 509 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,960 to create the space and then put the table down when the wheelchair is 510 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:36,079 parked. I don't think this is a complicated thing to solve. Um, and I I 511 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,520 would be fine with it going ahead just the way it is. 512 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:45,040 » Thank you, Councelor Lingren. Um, we'll go to Councelor Lavy next. 513 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:49,200 » Thanks, Mayor Harrison. And, uh, thanks to staff for the work that they've done 514 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:56,800 on this. I really appreciate it. U, my first question is just a confirmatory 515 00:41:51,200 --> 00:42:01,280 one. Um, with the, uh, proposals, it says the ramp has to be fixed to the 516 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:06,480 patio. And I I think it's pretty straightforward, but I'm want to confirm 517 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:10,000 for anybody who's watching that means no temporary wrap. Is that correct, 518 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,520 » Mr. Buckton? >> That's correct. That language was very 519 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,240 specific to that intent. >> Thank you very much, 520 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:23,119 » Council Lavin. Continue. >> Yeah. And I I have some of the same um 521 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:28,720 ponderings about uh especially with the turning radi. 522 00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:35,280 Um, I think it can be done, but I'm comfortable your worship um sending this 523 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:42,960 back to staff uh to fine-tune that. I think it's uh 524 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:50,800 it's important I the the crux of this is that the policy now says 525 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:56,160 will shall be and required in terms of the access to that. So, I I um we've 526 00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:01,760 come a ways here. Um we're talking of a policy that would not take in effect 527 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:08,319 until the next patio season that would give owners time to adjust. And I think 528 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:12,240 this benefits from uh I and I see all all the points that are being made here, 529 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:19,920 but I think uh that gives staff to come back with a proposal. on the whole if 530 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:25,599 there's a way of not uh uh codifying the turning radi I'd like to hear staff's 531 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:30,000 input on that. So I will uh support what might be upcoming. Thank you. 532 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:34,800 » Thank you councelor Lavy. Are there other speakers? 533 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:40,400 Maybe I'll just say my part then and others might chime in. Um I'm I agree 534 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:47,200 with councelor Cannon and the input from downtown Salmon. Um I I think um 535 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:51,680 everybody loves patios um for sure and they're a very important part of our 536 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:56,319 downtown and as we know they really became established uh during the 537 00:43:53,280 --> 00:44:00,480 pandemic to to help out restaurants be able to make their businesses work um so 538 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:06,400 that people could go outdoors and I guess it was a a positive uh thing that 539 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:13,839 happened um despite despite that pandemic. the I think what we asked was 540 00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:20,319 um that we wanted those patios to be accessible by ramp um and a 541 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:26,640 permanent ramp and councelor Lavy has confirmed that. So I I want to see that 542 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:32,000 change for 2027. So you must have a permanent ramp on the patios. Um, but I 543 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:37,440 don't want to overregulate it because the 544 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:43,200 amount of room is like a parking space and it's not very large. And so, um, we 545 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:47,920 want to have patios and we want them people to be able to get on them. I 546 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:53,920 think there are ways, um, for people to maneuver on them without having to 547 00:44:50,160 --> 00:45:01,520 follow the the large, um, areas that are described in this, uh, draft. So, um I 548 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:09,319 would support referring it back to staff to bring it back to us with the ramp 549 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,319 piece in but without the other parts. 550 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:16,319 Any other speakers? Councelor Canon, if you're wanting to 551 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:21,280 make that amendment, now would be the time. 552 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:26,560 » I would like to refer I'll defer this back to staff to make those changes. 553 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:31,920 » Okay. Is there a seconder to that amendment? Councelor Ganella. 554 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,359 Speaking to the amendment, councelor Canon, do you have further input to the 555 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:43,200 amendment? >> I just think that uh of all things that 556 00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:47,119 uh worship you touched on limited space. I mean, 557 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:52,640 » really, we want ramps and we want them to be fixed so 558 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:56,720 that uh wheelchairs and it's accessible to everyone. So, see what staff comes up 559 00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,640 with. >> Thank you. Any other speakers to the 560 00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:05,560 amendment? >> We'll call a question on the amendment. 561 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:05,560 All those in favor. 562 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,599 Now, we'll talk about the motion as amended. Is there any speakers to the 563 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:16,640 motion as amended? >> Councelor Lingren, 564 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:21,119 » I'm confused, your worship. I think we're just referring it back to staff. 565 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:24,160 We're not amending it. They're going to uh revamp it and bring it back to 566 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,880 council and we're going to vote on it as amended once it's been brought back by 567 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:33,200 staff. >> That's correct. 568 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:38,720 Any other comments? Call a question. All those in favor? 569 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:44,960 That passes unanimously. So, we'll look forward to it coming back from staff. 570 00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:51,760 Okay. We're on to items 107 which is the chief financial officer July 2026 571 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:55,280 supplier payment transparency report. Chief financial officer I'll have you 572 00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:00,560 speak to that if you wish. Thank you. >> Uh thank you worship. This is the 573 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:05,440 monthly report to u for July supplier payment transparency report as provided. 574 00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:10,079 Um, it lists all payments over 100,000 in accordance with the purchasing policy 575 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:14,319 7.13 and all the payments are within the approved budget and authorities. And of 576 00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:18,880 course, I'm here for any questions for the uh five payments that are listed. 577 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:23,440 » Thank you very much for supplying that to us. Counselors, there's no motion 578 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:29,079 attached. This is for your information. Any questions or comments anyone would 579 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,079 like to make? 580 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:36,880 » Councelor Cannon. I just want to say that uh so glad that the lighting is in 581 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:41,119 Rogers rink so you'll be able to play better hockey your worship. 582 00:47:39,763 --> 00:47:45,119 [laughter] >> I I like your your faith that you have 583 00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:51,760 in me. Um thank you very much. 584 00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:56,960 Any other comments or questions? Okay, seeing none, we'll move on to 585 00:47:54,640 --> 00:48:00,800 10.8. Thank you so much to our chief financial officer. This is chief 586 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:07,200 financial officer regarding reserve consolidation. It's an update. Um if we 587 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:11,839 could have a a mover and a second or for the motion which is really to defer it. 588 00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:18,720 So mover councelor Ganella councelor Cannon. Thank you. Um I'll have uh the 589 00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:22,960 chief financial officer speak to his report and I'll go to speakers. 590 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,160 » Thank you worship and members of council. The recommendation before you 591 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:31,040 is to defer the consideration of the reserve account consolidation to the 592 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:35,040 September 28th, 2026 regular council meeting. Staff have continued to work on 593 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:38,559 validating reserve purposes, confirming service area input, and completing the 594 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:42,319 supporting schedules and future reporting frameworks. uh rather than 595 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:46,720 bring forward an incomplete package for final decision, staff are requesting 596 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:50,960 additional time to ensure the recommend recommendations are fully supported and 597 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:55,440 resulting reserve structure is clear, accurate and administratively sound. Uh 598 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:59,839 there is no immediate financial impact associ associated with this deferral and 599 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:04,000 I'm here for any questions you worship and members of council. 600 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:12,520 » Okay, thank you. So basically you need some more time. Okay, fair enough. Um, 601 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,520 any questions or comments on the motion? 602 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:19,920 I'll call a question and all those in favor. 603 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:25,359 That passes unanimously. Council, we agreed we would do 101 first 604 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:30,800 and 10:10. We're going to take a five minute comfort break and then we are 605 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:35,280 going to deal with those two items. >> Oh, 606 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,160 thank you. You guys are really on the ball here. There's two of you brought 607 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:42,800 that to my attention and the others were thinking about it. 10 nine, sorry. Uh, 608 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:48,280 director of engineering sustainability, airport industrial special development 609 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,280 area. 610 00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:54,400 There's no motion attached. This is for information and there's a lot of 611 00:49:52,559 --> 00:50:01,040 information there, but we'll pass it over to uh to um Mr. JRO. 612 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,800 » Oh, Miss Plank's going to speak to it. Okay, you're quick to point that 613 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:08,880 direction, Miss Plank. Thank you, your worship and members of 614 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:12,880 council. I'd like to invite one of our engineering assistants, Nathan Johnson, 615 00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:16,400 to come up and present this report to council. Thank you, 616 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:20,160 » Mr. Johnson. Welcome to council. It's nice to have you here. I know that 617 00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:23,440 you've been working on this, so please go ahead. 618 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:27,680 » Yeah, happy to be here. Uh before you today is an information only report 619 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:32,000 related to the airport industrial special development area. This area 620 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:35,839 covers roughly 60 hectares of light industrial land located between 10th 621 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:40,480 Avenue Southeast and 20th Avenue Southeast next to the airport. Purpose 622 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:44,319 today is to introduce an updated practical servicing framework before we 623 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:48,880 bring these concepts to land owners themselves and the broader public for 624 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:53,680 feedback. An initial conceptual servicing plan was completed for this 625 00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:58,160 area in 2009. And while it was or while it provided a useful starting point, 626 00:50:55,839 --> 00:51:03,040 certain elements like roads bicting private properties, costly road 627 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:07,200 crosssections, and heavy reliance on centralized infrastructure proved 628 00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:11,280 impractical for owner-driven developments. 629 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:15,680 The updated layout within the report addresses certain issues by aligning the 630 00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:19,839 proposed internal roads along existing property lines. This would protect 631 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,920 long-term connectivity while allowing dedication and construction to happen. 632 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:27,760 parcel by parcel using financial tools like latecomers agreements would also 633 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,359 assist in the first for the first stage developers 634 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,040 to facilitate community and council feedback. The report evaluates two 635 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:40,559 servicing philosophies alongside a recommended hybrid approach. Option one 636 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:44,800 is a minimum servicing strategy with lowerc cost rural road crosssections, 637 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:49,599 roadside ditches, private groundwater wells, and on-site septic systems. 638 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:54,000 Option two is the enhanced servicing strategy with curb, gutter, dry wells, 639 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:58,319 and full municipal water and sanitary sewer. And then the recommended hybrid 640 00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:03,599 approach kind of marries the two a bit with the lower rural cross rural road 641 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:06,480 crosssection uh ditches throughout removing the need 642 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:10,480 for curbon gutter and pond infrastructure. It would install water 643 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:15,280 manes throughout all the internal road networks ensuring full fire protection. 644 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:19,680 And while primarily relying on private septic systems, gravity or gravity 645 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:23,839 sanitary sewer in the northwest quadrant could be installed where the topography 646 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:29,040 commits. Looking ahead, public and stakeholder 647 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:33,520 consultation is the next step. Staff has tenatively scheduled a public open house 648 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:36,640 for September 9th. Uh we hope to colllocate it with the liquid waste 649 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:41,839 management plan and the community wildfire protection plan to maximize 650 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:45,839 turnout. Uh we'll be reaching out directly to all affected property 651 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:49,680 owners, advertising in the newspaper and launching an online feedback portal 652 00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:53,680 through the city's website for those who can't attend. And then all this feedback 653 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:57,920 will be incorporated into the final plan before we return to council for formal 654 00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:02,480 endorsement. Thank you. >> Right. Thank you, Mr. Johnson, for uh 655 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:06,480 summarizing that report. Council, this is for our information, but I certainly 656 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,119 open it up to you for any questions or comments you might like to make. 657 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:16,000 Councelor Wallace Richmond. >> Yeah, thank you for for the report. Um, 658 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:21,520 council, this is a important and ambitious uh project and there's a great 659 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:28,800 deal of interest in the airport. Um, if council were willing, could we at the 660 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:34,480 very least approve the public um, uh, consultation plan so that it 661 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:40,640 continue it can continue to move ahead because um, we need to hear from the 662 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:45,040 public uh, u, you know, it's a primary concern to make sure that if we were to 663 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:50,960 do this project, it would be done uh, properly and uh, would meet the needs of 664 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:55,040 uh, of those that will serve. Thank you for that question. I'll just 665 00:53:52,319 --> 00:54:00,480 check with our CEO. Do we need a motion to ensure that the public consultation 666 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:07,359 that Mr. Johnson's talked about um will take place or does uh his report bring 667 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:11,920 it to us assume that that will happen? >> Your worship, if council has any 668 00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:16,000 objections to moving forward, certainly um please do raise them, but staff are 669 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:21,200 planning to move forward with consultation as contemplated by Mr. 670 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:27,920 Johnson's report and as he stated, we are looking to um have all three of 671 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:32,960 those engagements happen simultaneously um to generate additional interest. 672 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:37,280 » Councelor Wallman, I'll go back to you. >> Yeah, through you. Thank you uh for that 673 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:41,359 answer. Well, I I have absolutely no objection. So, I'm happy to see this 674 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,920 move forward and I appreciate the report. 675 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:49,359 » Thank you. Other comments or questions from council? 676 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:56,160 Okay, I'll just maybe make my comments. First of all, thank you very much for 677 00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:00,240 the report and uh yeah, I don't want to uh um bias with my views, but I think 678 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,680 it's great that we're going to the public with options so that they can 679 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:09,119 look at them because I know there's been some concerns about um you know the um 680 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:13,920 the initial planning. So going to the public is a great idea so we can get 681 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:17,760 their feedback and uh grouping together those three things I think's very smart 682 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:22,720 move. we'll get a we'll get a better turnout. So, I uh I have no objections 683 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:26,640 as well. I see no other speakers. So, thank you 684 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:33,359 very much uh for coming and reporting to us and we'll look forward to seeing the 685 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:39,200 results of uh the input from the public. Okay. Now, now have I got it? Yes. So we 686 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:46,599 will take a 5m minute comfort break um and then we will come back and do 10 11 687 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,599 and then 10 10 688 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:34,480 We are on to item 1011, Director of Planning Community Services, 689 01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:39,760 building bylaw number 4725, zero carbon step code. There is a motion for 690 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:46,160 consideration that was uh deferred from our May 11th meeting. And so I maybe 691 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:49,920 just ask the corporate officer to read that motion out for us. It was moved by 692 01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:54,720 councelor Lingren and seconded by councelor Ganella and then we'll have 693 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:59,440 staff do their report. Thank you your worship. As indicated 694 01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:04,240 from the regular council meeting of May 11th, 2026, 695 01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:08,720 it was moved by councelor Lingren, seconded by councelor Ganella, that 696 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:14,240 council direct staff to prepare amendments to building bylaw number 4725 697 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:18,079 to require that building permits submitted to the city need to meet the 698 01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:24,960 following zerocarbon step code requirements of the BC building code on 699 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:33,920 the following schedule. EL-2 June 1st 2027 EL-3 700 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:37,359 June 1st 2029 and EL-4 as required by the province. 701 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,480 » Great. Thank you very much, Mr. Buckston. I'll pass it to you to see if 702 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,480 there's any further information you would like to share with council at this 703 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,400 time. >> Thank you, Worship. Um I will focus on 704 01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:52,880 the new information because council has seen this issue uh a number of times 705 01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:58,480 before. Um so just starting with the the new information from the CRP I mean 706 01:03:55,680 --> 01:04:03,359 there was substantial public engagement um as part of that process and a clear 707 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:08,319 public expectation that we were going to use um policies to drive meaningful 708 01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:13,520 emissions reductions as noted in section 5.2. The vast 709 01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:17,039 majority of emissions related to buildings result from natural gas and 710 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:24,559 space heating and water heating in buildings. 711 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:29,839 Um table 51 the the emissions reductions targets um there's a significant 712 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:34,079 reduction that's modeled there um that requires a significant reduction in the 713 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:40,079 use of natural gas in buildings. The only way to reduce that is to 714 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:46,079 uh limit the use of natural gas in both new buildings and retrofit existing 715 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:50,960 buildings. the emissions projections um do include adoption of the or 716 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:54,960 effective adoption of the zero carbon step code to reach those those 717 01:04:52,960 --> 01:05:01,359 projections. Um the actions identified one of the 718 01:04:57,839 --> 01:05:08,079 very high priority high priority action items um in section 635 of the C CP 719 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:12,559 identifies specifically implementation of the zerocarbon step code that's 720 01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:17,440 directly targeted at emissions reductions. 721 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:20,799 Um so the regulations of building and construction are one of the few areas 722 01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:25,039 that is that municipalities have direct authority. So it's one of the very 723 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:32,720 limited areas where we have direct agency over the um trying to achieve 724 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:38,680 those OCP emissions reductions targets. Very often the regulatory authorities 725 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,680 shared with other jurisdictions. 726 01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:44,799 Um so public engagement with both the OCP and the CRP has identified 727 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:50,559 greenhouse gas emissions reductions as a community priority. 728 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:57,680 Um I say we've we've identified uh sorry the um we have identified some options 729 01:05:54,559 --> 01:06:03,440 here in terms of new information. Um one of the options would be to 730 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:08,640 separate the um the adoption of of the zerocarbon step code between part three 731 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:14,720 which are the complex buildings and part nine which are the simple buildings. 732 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:18,559 um that would allow um that's a more pra that's a practical path for 733 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:23,920 implementation. We've in we've had some indication in uh from the industry 734 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:27,520 through the survey that um and through some of our monitoring that some of the 735 01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:34,079 more complex buildings are already meeting the higher level EL2 EL3. 736 01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:41,680 So there might be greater industry willingness and ability to um 737 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:48,240 undertake the zero carbon step code in part nine buildings. 738 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:54,960 Um so we've offered a proposed option there that um 739 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:59,200 um the council could if they wanted to separate between part three and part 9 740 01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:03,680 buildings. One of the other options might be given that we're going to need 741 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:10,559 to do some form of public engagement no matter what we do um is to delay the EL2 742 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:14,640 into 2028 and that would give us more time to budget and do that engagement 743 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:20,799 work through 2027 because if we start in if there's an EL 744 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:26,400 bump in June of 2027 and the budget isn't adopted until early in Q1 that 745 01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:30,880 doesn't give staff a lot of time to design implement ment and administer 746 01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:36,960 that that engagement program. So that that's another option. But I say as 747 01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:40,640 noted um really the the only financial consideration is that we're going to 748 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:44,880 have to do some form of public engagement um and a budget for 749 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:48,319 consulting services that the the expertise and the time and the resources 750 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:52,240 are simply not here in our department to be able to pull this thing off. And the 751 01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:56,160 survey is clearly indicative that there's there is some reluctance amongst 752 01:07:54,319 --> 01:08:01,359 some in industry to move on this initiative. So we would need to inform, 753 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:07,280 educate and encourage through that engagement process. Um that project can 754 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:11,760 be scaled up and scaled down to be as big and as large as or as small as it 755 01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:16,799 needs to be. So that would be a decision that council would make in the 2027 756 01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:21,120 budget. There's nothing in the 2026 budget unless we reallocate something. 757 01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:25,839 Um but that would be the only financial implication. 758 01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:29,359 So, I think I've covered all the new information 759 01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:34,080 that's in this report that council hasn't previously seen. So, 760 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:37,120 um I can certainly try and answer your questions. 761 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:40,560 » Great. Thank you very much, Mr. Buckton. I'll open it up to council for any 762 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:45,040 comments or questions they may wish to ask. 763 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:48,960 » Starting with councelor Lingren. >> Thanks, your worship. I'm happy to see 764 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:55,279 this back at the table uh and connected with our climate resiliency plan. Um I 765 01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:58,560 had a couple questions about uh things that were just presented by the director 766 01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:04,799 of planning that I just need some clarification on. One was um the budget 767 01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:10,880 piece. Can you sorry can you just say again if we were to defer until 2028 768 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:14,080 that would be because we needed a budget to do what 769 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:19,759 » Mr. Buckston >> through the chat. I'm strongly 770 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:24,719 suggesting that there's a need for for budget for consulting services to to 771 01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:30,239 move a consultation program through. If if we were to choose the June 2027 date 772 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:34,799 for EL2, um but the budget isn't approved till, 773 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:40,239 let's say, until January or February of 2027. That gives staff 3 to four months 774 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:44,319 to design, implement, and administer a program. The timeline just gets a little 775 01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:48,960 tight. It's not undoable. Just wanted to flag that issue is 776 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:53,920 because of the budgeting, the timing of the budget. Um I believe that's 777 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:59,600 scheduled for early in the year, the new year with the new council. So I'm just 778 01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:08,320 saying that um if that is a problem then moving the 779 01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:14,239 EL2 to 2028 would give us more time to develop the budget through 2027 and then 780 01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:21,120 administer that early in 2028 or start in 2027 and move through 27 2027 2028. 781 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:25,600 It's just a scheduling issue on that particular start date 782 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:30,400 » clarification. Can you just clarify? >> Thanks. Uh, who are we consulting with 783 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:33,440 and in what regard? >> Mr. 784 01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:39,520 Through the chair. It would be through with the construction industry builders 785 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:44,960 » as as a followup. >> Yeah. Is that uh an uh effort on the 786 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:48,159 city's part to educate the builders about what EL2 looks like? 787 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:52,080 » Mr. Buckton. >> Educate. Yes. Through the chair. 788 01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:57,520 educate, inform and how what you would need to do, what it means. I mean there 789 01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:00,320 is obviously some based on the survey some 790 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:05,360 misunderstanding about what this means. So yes, getting getting the industry to 791 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:08,560 the point that adoption isn't problematic for them. 792 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:13,280 » Right. Okay. >> Yeah. So just some comments about that. 793 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:18,480 Um, so I think that the province has done an exceptional job of putting out 794 01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:24,000 information about what the steps are and how to access that information. There 795 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:29,040 are webinars. There are um public like uh townhouse type online things where 796 01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:33,760 people can go to get the information they need. Um, but I think the reality 797 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:38,400 is is that the vast majority of developers uh builders doing multif 798 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:44,080 family homes already understand this very well. They're already building to 799 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:49,040 this um new standard and have been for you know decades already. Um it's very 800 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:53,600 rare actually in the last 20 years to find an apartment building that's 801 01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:58,159 running on gas anything. Um they don't they might bring in gas because the 802 01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:04,320 client wants a fireplace in their um two-bedroom condo. Um, but the reality 803 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:07,360 is is gas furnaces don't heat multif family buildings because everybody needs 804 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:12,000 to set their heat at a different level unless you had a furnace and a system 805 01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:16,080 for each apartment itself. Um, that would not be very practical. Um, so 806 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:19,760 electric heat has been the standard for a very long time. Electric hot water 807 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:25,760 tanks have been the standard for a very long time. So I'm less concerned about 808 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:29,440 uh developers building multif family uh buildings because they're already well 809 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,800 informed. Several of them are coming from out of town to build here. They're 810 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:37,199 already building like this and have been mandated to build like this in Vancouver 811 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:41,840 Island and the Lower Mainland and a number of other areas including the 812 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:49,920 Coupney. So, I don't think that that's um a worry that the city needs to take 813 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:54,320 on. Um I think that um every um HVAC and plumbing company in Salmon Arm is 814 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:58,719 already wellversed in how to install an electric hot water tank and how to 815 01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:03,199 install a uh heat pump system whether that's integrated with um the gas 816 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:08,640 furnace such as we're putting in at the RCMP station or if we're talking about 817 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:12,719 mini splits and um room individual systems that type of thing. So I don't 818 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:16,400 think we need to educate them either. They're already doing the work and 819 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:23,360 they're doing a great job. Um, I think that the only reason I could think of to 820 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:28,080 def defer implementation of this uh might be to educate the consumer um not 821 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:32,560 the developers themselves or the builders themselves. We've heard from uh 822 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:36,960 the Zero Home Collective. We've heard from other developers that have written 823 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:40,080 us letters this week that they they've been doing this already and that they're 824 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:44,080 finding that it's cost-effective for them and very cost effective for the 825 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:48,880 buyer. Uh once they own the home, the costs of running the home are 826 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:55,679 substantially lower. Um I think that deferring this to 2028 would be a 827 01:13:51,280 --> 01:14:00,480 mistake. I think we uh are obligated by our uh knowledge of what I mean climate 828 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:08,560 change has been all around us this summer and um the longer we defer the 829 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:13,840 longer these effects will accumulate and um multiply and 20 years from now I 830 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:17,920 don't want a council sitting at this table trying to find ways to mitigate 831 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:23,920 things that we should have done today. So, um, yeah, at this point, I'm I mean, 832 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:28,960 obviously everybody in this room already knows that I would have this instituted 833 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:35,520 yesterday if we had the option. Um, if going slower is uh the will of the 834 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:40,480 council, then I I I understand that. Um, but I would not be in favor of deferring 835 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:44,239 past this this lengthy deferral we've already got set up. 836 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:48,480 » Thank you, Councelor Lingren. Councelor Cannon. 837 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:53,840 » Thank you, Worship. Um, as far as consultation, 838 01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:59,679 did we not already take this to skip and get uh some feedback on that or am I 839 01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:03,360 remembering that correctly, >> Mr. Bton? 840 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:07,440 » Through through the chair, no, we we've simply raised the issue with skip. They 841 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:10,320 asked us they asked us to produce the survey. We did that. So, that that's the 842 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:16,000 only engagement that we >> So, we got a survey from them from 843 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:19,600 » Councelor Cannon. Go ahead. We got a survey that we did and Skip 844 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,719 filled it out. >> No, Mr. 845 01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:25,440 » Buckton, >> that was the survey responses that would 846 01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:26,960 that were outlined in prior >> Okay. 847 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:31,600 » prior reports. >> Council Cannon. Now, when I look at 848 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:37,679 this, um, I see the motion would put it in 849 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:45,679 effect March 1st, 2028 for EL2, 850 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:51,920 EL3, June 1st, 2029, and then EL4 as required by the province. 851 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:56,040 But what the province has is EL2 852 01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:07,360 March 1st 2028, EL3 June 1st 2029 and EL4 as required by the province. That's 853 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:09,679 what the province has suggested. Is that correct? 854 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:13,760 » Mr. Beckton, can you comment >> through the chair? I'm I'm not aware 855 01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:18,640 that unless new information that that I'm not aware of. I'm not aware of any 856 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:22,080 schedule for EL2 or EL3 that the province has. Now, I may have missed 857 01:16:20,719 --> 01:16:26,239 that. I don't know where you got that from, but no, the only information I 858 01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:32,080 have is that the province will require EL4 by 2030. 859 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:37,600 » And then the other ones are just grad can be gradual whatever anyone decides. 860 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:42,800 » Mr. each authority having jurisdiction can 861 01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:48,239 set a time at which those are required to come in or not 862 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:54,159 » council >> like when I look at this even before we 863 01:16:52,000 --> 01:17:02,239 deferred it but now it's not deferred anymore um I think putting I feel 864 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:08,640 strongly putting it uh in place of different dates 865 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:12,320 I don't support that I think the we're hearing already that a lot of 866 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:18,400 developments especially multif family ones are already doing 867 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:25,440 uh developments that are probably EL4 or EL3 868 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:32,480 and I think by putting that limit you know it has to be on this date and and 869 01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:37,760 uh EL3 on this date uh I don't support that I don't think that we need to do 870 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:41,520 that and Yes, we have have been inundated with different people. A lot 871 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:46,320 of people that don't even live in our community. Builders that don't live in 872 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:50,880 our community have sent us letters saying that they're already doing this. 873 01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:57,280 You know, it's something that we should look at. But I don't agree with that 874 01:17:54,080 --> 01:18:04,000 because I think builders and the consumers are the ones that are going to 875 01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:10,560 control how they want a house built, how a multif family house is built. And I 876 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:18,400 think just keeping it status quo and we know that EL4 is going to be we have to 877 01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:24,640 have it by a certain date. We're going to be at EL4. 878 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:31,199 So, I don't support this motion. I think that we need to keep it status quo and 879 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:35,360 let the the market dictate how they want their house built. 880 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:38,719 » Thank you, Councelor Cannon. Is there other speakers? Councelor Lingren for a 881 01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:41,840 second time. >> Nobody else wants to go. Um, 882 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:49,600 » there's no one else up yet. >> Okay. So I'm just I'm concerned about if 883 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:55,920 we just uh ignore this issue and we leave it say and 2030 comes around and 884 01:18:52,400 --> 01:19:01,440 suddenly EL4 is the mandated uh state of affairs uh people won't be ready because 885 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:07,040 they haven't been moving towards that um on their own and as far as allowing the 886 01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:13,120 market to regulate this as we go you know let the consumer decide I mean if 887 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:16,400 we went by that in every industry. We would have cars that didn't have seat 888 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:21,920 belts or emissions control. We would have um you know food that wasn't 889 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:25,760 inspected and kept safe. Nobody wants to spend extra money on these issues if 890 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:29,840 they don't have to, which is the point of government regulation. But I think 891 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:37,600 the the key piece for us as a municipality is that we have a 892 01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:44,560 responsibility to help our uh residents make choices that make things safer. And 893 01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:48,640 uh we do that by putting sidewalks in. We do that by cleaning our water before 894 01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:54,800 it arrives in their house. We do that in a multitude of ways. And one of the 895 01:19:50,880 --> 01:20:00,000 things we can do and is of zero cost to the um city which is always one of our 896 01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:04,960 concerns is can the city afford to implement this. This is one that's free. 897 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:13,120 This is really lowhanging fruit with a huge impact. So when EL4 becomes the 898 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:19,440 standard, we may then move into the next phase which may be to and this I mean 899 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:24,080 the province is already um incentivizing retrofitting your home. So you can get 900 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:26,719 grants right now for installing solar panels. You can get grants for 901 01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:32,239 installing heat pumps. You can get grants for replacing and upgrading 902 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:37,600 windows. You can get grants for um updating your insulation so that your 903 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:42,400 house is uh easier to heat and cool. And the cost of those retrofits is 904 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:46,800 astronomical. It's far better to build it right the 905 01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:50,640 first time than to have to go back. And I don't want to see more and more and 906 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:56,159 more people building things that they will later uh need to retrofit in order 907 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:59,360 to survive the climate changes that are coming. 908 01:20:57,679 --> 01:21:04,159 Thank you, councelor Lingren. We'll go to councelor G or councelor Lavy next. 909 01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:10,400 Councelor Lavy, please go ahead. >> Uh yes, thanks your worship. Um I want 910 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:15,360 to start off by thanking staff um not only for the reports and the providing 911 01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:21,199 of information and we'll refer to in a bit, but providing other options to 912 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:25,520 consider about tiering this aspect. Um but I also like to mainly thank them for 913 01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:32,880 the patience you've you've done your work. Um and uh this table we've been 914 01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:36,800 split on it and uh this has been deferred not because we wanted to avoid 915 01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:42,880 it in my view but just wanted to make sure we had a full table for the uh 916 01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:50,159 further discussion. Your worship um this is good and I I'm hoping that we will 917 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:55,600 decide this here now today. Um, I'm not going to deliver any of my points here 918 01:21:52,960 --> 01:22:00,400 uh as an attempt to persuade anyone because I think we've been around this 919 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:08,400 circle. I uh rather what I'm going to say here is what I firmly believe is 920 01:22:04,639 --> 01:22:13,520 what a reasonable way forward is. And so you got four or five talking points 921 01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:20,880 quickly summarize them about the survey. Um, and I want to be direct here. We had 922 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:25,600 there was some initial delays about this because and I was one of them to said we 923 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:30,880 need to hear from Skip. The reality is we didn't hear much from 924 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:37,520 Skip. There was little quantitative response from Skip about feedback. Maybe 925 01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:47,040 others should it. I certainly didn't didn't. staff put out a uh a survey 926 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:53,280 that was led to a a big wave of opposition but that survey was tainted 927 01:22:50,400 --> 01:23:00,320 in my view your worship really clearly. I believe it was stacked by uh who knows 928 01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:05,600 unknown parties coming from the same IP address to try to influence this and it 929 01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:10,239 is very difficult for me and this is unfortunate 930 01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:17,920 that there has not been a clear voice from local land builders land developers 931 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:24,159 and I think they missed an opportunity and I don't um personally 932 01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:30,480 uh don't subscribe subscribe to the idea of uh what our local developers are 933 01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:34,880 capable of or need to do. They haven't really spoken up and I actually have 934 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:39,280 faith in their ability to adapt. Um it's been pointed out both by staff and 935 01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:44,159 councelor Lingren and others. Um multif family developers right now in our 936 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:48,159 community are already doing EL3. It's part of their business model. They know 937 01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:51,920 how to do it. I personally don't think and I want to thank staff for the option 938 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:55,679 of saying okay split this into multi-development versus single family. 939 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:59,520 Um I don't see the need for that. I think that this is uh that's already 940 01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:05,760 happening. They know how to do it and they are doing it. I think the crux is 941 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:09,840 in single family uh developments. I think it mainly lies with local 942 01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:16,159 builders. We have lots and unfortunately not a lot 943 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:21,679 of feedback from local developers but lots of feedback from elsewhere that 944 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:27,840 this is doable that it makes sense. And so I don't begrudge that feedback coming 945 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:32,239 in uh from those who are not in the community because we did not hear from 946 01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:37,520 and there's a theme here. We did not hear clearly in my view from our local 947 01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:42,320 builders. the motion in front of us about 948 01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:47,920 what essentially ex a defined a timeline for EL2 and EL3 949 01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:54,239 uh which is accelerated from no language from the province um is not as fast as 950 01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:58,480 advocates have been calling for and and in reality worship that I would like to 951 01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:03,600 see accelerated. It's not going to please everyone. Um, 952 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:08,480 but I supported I spoke in favor of this motion before it was deferred. Um, I 953 01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:15,120 remain in favor of it now because at a minimum I I see this as a a reasonable 954 01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:20,080 compromise to actually move this forward. I think this is within our pure 955 01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:24,960 purview. It's low cost as referenced in our CRP that we're 956 01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:30,719 going to talk about next to be fully electrified by 2030. Not that far away. 957 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:35,520 it's identified as a high priority and it's been identified that meaningful 958 01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:42,080 change has to come from these sort of actions. So your worship um 959 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:45,840 I council Linguin referred to it a little bit again I'd like to see this 960 01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:51,040 accelerated more but the motion in front of us does give some time for local 961 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:54,719 builders to get up to snuff and I don't think that's hard to do and I've got 962 01:25:52,639 --> 01:26:01,840 confidence that they can do it. I think it permits uh uh suppliers, equipment, 963 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:05,920 retailers and suppliers time to gauge uh the supply of their equipment going 964 01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:10,560 forward and those are reasonable amounts of time 965 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:16,080 probably more than reasonable amount of time to do it. So I fully support this 966 01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:20,000 your worship even though that I would uh see I'd like to see personally something 967 01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:24,480 more stringent but I think this is a compromise that we need to make to move 968 01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:28,314 forward. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Councelor Lavy. Um, councelor 969 01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,600 Ganella, >> [clears throat] 970 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:33,440 » uh, thank you, your worship. I also want to echo um, councelor Lavy's comments 971 01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:40,480 about thanking staff through this process. It's quite complicated. Um, 972 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:45,600 and I too will also echo that I'd like to see this accelerated, but I also 973 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:50,159 understand why we need to find a um, a start to this u solution. And I believe 974 01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:55,120 this motion here today in front of us is that solution. I think it's important 975 01:26:52,560 --> 01:27:02,000 that um after this summer that we've gone through with the this um the smoke 976 01:26:57,679 --> 01:27:08,320 um that is it's affecting our everyone who's working outside in a real critical 977 01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:12,560 way and um I myself have you know family who worked outside and it was and you 978 01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:15,600 could see how brutal it is and it's not going to get better until we start 979 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:19,040 making these steps that are going to be very difficult and not just difficult 980 01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:22,719 for the building community it's going to be difficult for all of us because we're 981 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:28,560 all going going to own this solution. Um, and that solution is not going to be 982 01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:34,080 easy. Um, we've gotten ourselves to this point where we know that the solutions 983 01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:39,280 we make today will have a mitigating effect on the impacts going forward, but 984 01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:43,520 even then there's this echo effect with the the climate that we have with where 985 01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:47,760 it is now that it's going to take time even if we make all the changes you want 986 01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:52,880 today in an accelerated rate. So, I believe that we need to start making 987 01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:59,679 steps now. And it comes right back to if we're going to do anything, why not now? 988 01:27:54,800 --> 01:28:05,360 I think we've used enough time to decide um what's best for um everyone. I think 989 01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:09,280 we've put some time into this and thinking what's good for compromise to 990 01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:14,400 our building community. But at the at the end of it, I represent the whole of 991 01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:18,000 the city and I am hearing from a lot of people that they want this to be 992 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:24,239 accelerated. But I'm willing to work with our comm our industries to meet a 993 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:28,880 compromise and this motion is that compromise and I'm going to approve it. 994 01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:31,920 » Thank you, councelor Ganella. Councelor Wallace Richmond. 995 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:39,360 » Y thanks your worship. Uh first one question uh through you to staff. Can 996 01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:44,000 builders build to zero now? >> Mr. Bton, 997 01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:47,520 » sorry. Build to zero >> to zero carbon now if they want if they 998 01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:52,719 so choose. Okay. >> Um, so before I get into my comments, 999 01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:57,040 for me, the conversation is around not whether or not people can build or 1000 01:28:54,880 --> 01:29:06,320 people want to build, but whether or not this is our decision to make. So, um, as 1001 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:11,920 we've seen in the leadup to this, uh, one motion on one policy, um, to make 1002 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:17,040 this decision, but we have to answer many, many questions in the leadup to 1003 01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:20,560 making this decision. So, uh, full transparency, I'm just going to share 1004 01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:24,320 with you some of the things I have been thinking about, some of the questions I 1005 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:30,880 have been trying to answer, um, in addressing this. um 1006 01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:37,040 and it's a provincial policy with a municipal adoption to adopt early. So 1007 01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:43,040 the first question that came to my mind and I'm sure I hope some of you have 1008 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:50,880 thought about that is isn't BC um actively developing 1009 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:55,840 um LG facilities for export. We know the answer to that is yes. The 1010 01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:59,600 second question I always have on my mind is does the province have a serious 1011 01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:05,360 budget challenge? We also know the answer to that is yes. 1012 01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:11,760 And so I think part of the reason they're actively pursuing LG projects is 1013 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:16,080 to bolster um u provincial coffers so they can pay for the things that we want 1014 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:20,480 to be able to do. So this is a reality of the world that we live in. So, does 1015 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:26,000 local government normally have the option to BC to vary the BC building 1016 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:30,880 code? And the answer to that in my experience is no. This is very unusual 1017 01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:36,400 that the province would say, well, except for this thing, you could change 1018 01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:40,480 this thing if you wanted to. So, here's my sense. It's just me being 1019 01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:46,480 completely honest with everyone. My sense is there's a reason the province 1020 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:50,159 hasn't been pushing this because I don't think they're there yet either. I think 1021 01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:57,920 they're actively developing now. They're talking about site C, site E. Um they're 1022 01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:03,760 working on uh energy opportunities. Um you know, so my sense is the urgency is 1023 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:09,760 to build the electrical capacity right now. So the next question is have the 1024 01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:14,080 feds and the province been incentivizing lower emissions and higher efficiency 1025 01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:20,800 for decades in fact and the answer of course to that is yes but all that takes 1026 01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:26,560 is that takes revenue to accomplish. So um given that builders can now build to 1027 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:35,120 zero already um the question is are they and the answer is mostly yes especially 1028 01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:42,000 multif family right um however the caveat is you have to have BC Hydro 1029 01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:47,040 approve your proposal so we don't even control that part so we could say yes 1030 01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:53,040 zero carbon today and we leave our builders um subject to 1031 01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:58,239 a regulation we have no control over, we have no budget for, right? And so just 1032 01:31:55,520 --> 01:32:06,239 from a policy, strategic strategy perspective, I have a a lot of concerns. 1033 01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:10,480 Um and here's my next t. I think we should all be asking this 1034 01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:16,320 question. Do multifamily um units use less energy than single 1035 01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:21,440 family units? And of course, the answer to that is yes. And it's pretty 1036 01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:28,159 considerable. It's like 30 to 50%. A multif family unit is 30 to 50% less 1037 01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:35,600 energy used than a single family home. So then if you ask yourself, will this 1038 01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:39,760 change be up and down the valley all over the southern interior? And we know 1039 01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:45,199 the answer to that is already no because we would be the first and the only. 1040 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:51,360 Um so here's the big question. I have 1041 01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:59,120 wrestled with could this decision to accelerate uh zerocarbon uh step uh 1042 01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:06,320 could this influence the decision of multif family builders to build here and 1043 01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:10,960 it's reasonable to say that it could right um so they might decide not to 1044 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:15,520 build here they might decide to go to Vernon because they're implementing it 1045 01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:19,760 more slowly than we are I mean the housing market is still at risk. We are 1046 01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:24,000 making progress. It's been very promising lately. We're ve we have a 1047 01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:30,960 very favorable status with multif family builds and we know that they're already 1048 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:34,880 at EL3 or EL2 or even EL1. So another thing, we're going to consider 1049 01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:42,239 this in the next item, but according to our own climate resiliency plan, if you 1050 01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:47,360 asked um is community housing the largest risk factor for energy and 1051 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:52,000 emissions in the community? No, it's 1052 01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:56,639 transportation. Then if you would ask if the city's 1053 01:33:53,760 --> 01:34:02,080 largest risk factor for energy efficiency and emissions is building the 1054 01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:06,239 answer is yes 60% that's our biggest risk 1055 01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:12,239 and so will this zerocarbon impact the city what's the city what the city is 1056 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:17,840 doing now no and so to me and I'm telling you this from the bottom of my 1057 01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:24,159 heart um for me true leadership is not to ask the private sector to do as we 1058 01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:27,679 say but not as we do which is effectively what would be we would be 1059 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:31,920 doing. So 1060 01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:35,920 uh so for the for these reasons the the 1061 01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:40,239 fact that this is normally not something that municipalities weigh into that 1062 01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:43,760 there's an uncertainty as to why the province is saying okay in this case you 1063 01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:50,480 can go ahead and change that part of the code. um that we don't control the grid 1064 01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:56,239 that BC Hydro plays a huge rule role in this and we have no control over it. So 1065 01:34:53,920 --> 01:35:01,520 am I ready to go alone risk the need to diversify our housing supply and signal 1066 01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:06,639 to our market that the rules are just a tiny bit different here? I don't think 1067 01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:11,920 um this is the right tool for the right challenge. So, and unless I were beyond 1068 01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:17,760 a reasonable doubt that it would in fact make a material impact um on GHG 1069 01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:21,760 emissions, there's no multif family and very little single family, then I can't 1070 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:26,400 commit our community or our business community to it ahead of time. And I 1071 01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:33,679 have heard from business owners and I have heard from builders. Um, so you 1072 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:39,120 know I am my preference would be I think I could live with 28 2930. 1073 01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:43,199 It would give us time to get everyone ready for the change. I would even 1074 01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:49,760 consider splitting single building versus complex building. But, you know, 1075 01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:59,560 this is going to have a big impact on a number of sectors in our community. And 1076 01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:59,560 I'm not feeling like we have um you know 1077 01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:06,960 I mean I know I understand a lot of people be disappointed in me and I 1078 01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:11,920 wanted to acknowledge that but the the knockoff effect 1079 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:16,880 um of this decision um has to be considered and we have to thoroughly and 1080 01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:22,159 appropriately address all those concerns before we move it forward at this time. 1081 01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:27,880 Thank you. Thank you, councelor Wallace Richmond. Is there any other counselors 1082 01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,880 who wish to speak? 1083 01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:35,840 Seeing none, then I will just summarize with my comments and call a question. 1084 01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:41,040 So, first of all, thank you um to the public who um has responded to us and 1085 01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:46,880 thank you to staff um as we've deferred this along and to counselors and I a 1086 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:51,119 conversation is always good and it's okay if everyone doesn't agree at the 1087 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:54,719 end of the conversation. Um, 1088 01:36:53,440 --> 01:37:01,040 wouldn't it have been nice if the province would have said, "We're going 1089 01:36:56,159 --> 01:37:04,239 to go to EL4 in the end of 2026." We wouldn't be sitting here talking 1090 01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:07,239 about this right now if that was the case. 1091 01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:13,119 So, why didn't they? Councelor Wallace Richmond's actually 1092 01:37:11,679 --> 01:37:16,360 done a pretty good job outlining why they haven't. 1093 01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:24,960 Second thing the province said was we think that there should be regional 1094 01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:31,320 consideration for acceleration 1095 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:31,320 of the zerocarbon step code. 1096 01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:42,239 So when you look at our region and I'll start in the south and I think what 1097 01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:49,119 these local governments are saying is we support the province. I do. I support 1098 01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:53,280 the province's plan with 1099 01:37:51,679 --> 01:37:59,840 acceleration or working through EL2, EL3 to EL4 and 1100 01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:04,159 2030. And I believe these local governments 1101 01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:07,600 are saying they're not saying no. They're not saying we don't believe in 1102 01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:12,880 climate change. They're not saying we need to reduce GHG emissions. That's not 1103 01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:17,360 what they're saying. They're saying this is the province's job and we agree with 1104 01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,360 it. 1105 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:27,840 So, ause they agree with the province. Oliver, they agree with the province. 1106 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:32,080 Regional district south of the Similcom, they agree with the province. City of 1107 01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:36,239 Pentictton, they agree with the province. 1108 01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:42,239 City of West Colona, they agree with the province. City of Colona, they agree 1109 01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:47,199 with the province. Peachland, they agree with the province. Summerland, they 1110 01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:52,480 agree with the province. Vernon, they agree with the province. Armstrong, they 1111 01:38:49,840 --> 01:39:00,639 agree with the province. Enderbe, Sycamoose, Revel Stoke, Cam Loops, RDCO, 1112 01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:07,719 CSRD, every local government within our regent 1113 01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:07,719 agrees with the province. 1114 01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:15,280 So, people have pointed out, well, what about Rossland and Nelson? Why are they 1115 01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:21,040 outliers? Well, there's some pretty big variables there. Actually, 1116 01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:26,719 Rossland, extremely small resort community. I was there recently. 1117 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:33,040 The only building happening there is happening at Red Mountain. 1118 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:38,000 Very expensive topline condos going in there. 1119 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:41,360 City and Nelson, they don't even buy their hydro from BC 1120 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:45,600 Hydro. They have their own hydro company. This is very good business for 1121 01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:49,920 them. If I was in Nelson, I would do the same. 1122 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:54,320 The c the electricity used there goes back into the city coffers. 1123 01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:59,600 I don't begrudge them at all. I think they're making a good decision. 1124 01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:06,560 But no other local government within our region is making that decision. 1125 01:40:02,639 --> 01:40:11,600 There's a reason for that. So, we started this out by asking the 1126 01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:19,360 public and 1127 01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:24,159 we received 700 respondents. That's versus 1128 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:30,719 140 for the CRP, which by the way assumes 1129 01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:36,320 that we're moving to EL4 in 2030. That's what the climate resiliency uh 1130 01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:42,080 report assumes. So, we asked the public and I know that 1131 01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:47,920 there was some uh people who were questionable about those respondents, 1132 01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:52,400 but no matter how you cut it, we asked staff to go back and look at the repeat 1133 01:40:50,639 --> 01:41:02,239 um number of people who filled in more than one form. So the difference 1134 01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:08,000 moves from 700 respondents to 596 and the percentage of support 1135 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:20,040 the aggregate percentage of support for moving accelerating the EO4 1136 01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:20,040 zero step code is 1% from 26 to 27%. 1137 01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:32,560 We we said that skip has not responded or I've heard that today 1138 01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:36,719 23% of the respondents to that survey were skip 1139 01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:44,400 respondents. 77% were members of the public. 1140 01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:50,880 So 77% of the members of the public came forward on that survey and said we 1141 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:55,920 want to follow the province and that's what Skip has said as well. They are not 1142 01:41:53,040 --> 01:42:00,560 saying we don't think it's a good idea. They're saying we agree and we agree 1143 01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:05,800 with the province's plan is what's being said. 1144 01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,800 So 1145 01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:16,480 2026 today, 2030 is not far away. And in between that time, provinces have said 1146 01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:20,239 they're going to accelerate to EL2 and EL3. They haven't given a date, but 1147 01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:26,600 they've said that they're going to do it. 1148 01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:26,600 And so I trust their word. 1149 01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:37,040 I'm not willing to put my foot into what is a provincial jurisdiction. 1150 01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:41,440 It's their job. And that's another reason why a lot of 1151 01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:45,760 the other local governments have not put their foot in there 1152 01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:53,360 because as soon as you take on one of their jobs, 1153 01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:57,040 more falls on it in every single case that's happened in the past with 1154 01:42:54,800 --> 01:43:03,040 different topics. So this is a provincial matter and they 1155 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:09,119 have a plan. I support the plan. Obviously our residents do as well. The 1156 01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:18,000 majority of our residents do as well. And uh um you know to say that the 1157 01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:21,360 survey was tainted or stacked, I I have to disagree. I don't think it's 1158 01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:27,679 respectful of those people that filled in that survey. Um, so my conclusion is 1159 01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:31,360 we go along with the province's plan. I agree with it. And to go along with the 1160 01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:35,199 province's plan, we have to vote against this motion and that's what I intend on 1161 01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:38,960 doing. So I will give any other counselor one 1162 01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:41,679 opportunity, one more opportunity to speak if they wish and then we'll call a 1163 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:45,600 question. >> Councelor Lingren, 1164 01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:48,719 » thanks your worship. Um, I'm going to speak again, but obviously it's not 1165 01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:59,199 going to change anybody's mind, but I need to go on record um for future 1166 01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:03,920 um residents reviewing this um that I disagree with most of what was just 1167 01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:08,480 said. So, the survey that went out was anonymous. 1168 01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:12,719 We have no idea where those people lived, whether they were residents of 1169 01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:16,480 Salmon Arm or residents of Atlanta, Georgia. 1170 01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:23,600 Uh some of the IP addresses were clearly not residences residents of Salmon Arm. 1171 01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:28,480 Um I disagree that they were in support of the province's plan. A number of 1172 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:34,000 those surveys came back saying there's no need to do anything. Climate's not a 1173 01:44:30,639 --> 01:44:39,440 problem. So those were climate deniers. They had no uh interest in supporting 1174 01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:44,159 this plan or the province's plan or any other plan. They were happy to just go 1175 01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:50,560 along status quo. So those people I would discount as uninformed 1176 01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:55,440 um possibly um you know people that were targeting 1177 01:44:53,280 --> 01:45:00,239 whatever gas companies for all I know I don't know but people that had a stake 1178 01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:05,920 in continuing to burn fossil fuels or people that were uh completely 1179 01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:12,880 uninformed about um the effects that fossil fuels have on our climate. 1180 01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:16,800 Um there was a comment about it's not our within our jurisdiction to vary the 1181 01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:24,000 code. Implementing EL2 EL3 um on specific 1182 01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:31,199 dates in my view is not varying the code at all. The province has set the code at 1183 01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:37,360 EL4 for 2030 and us we are not varying the code. We 1184 01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:41,840 are complying with the code by implementing steps to get us to the 1185 01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:47,119 point the provin province has required us to be at. 1186 01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:52,159 As far as being the first in our region, that's just bravery. That's not a valid 1187 01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:56,480 argument. We talk about this all the time. Uh why would we put a sidewalk 1188 01:45:54,719 --> 01:46:01,280 there? It's the sidewalk to nowhere. And the comment at this table is always we 1189 01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:06,560 have to start somewhere. Why would we bury the overhead lines on that one 1190 01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:11,199 frontage when the rest of the ones on the street are above ground? Well, 1191 01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:17,520 because we have to start somewhere. And we talk about this every single meeting 1192 01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:21,440 about having to start somewhere. This could be us starting somewhere. The 1193 01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:26,560 letter from the writer in Chase specifically noted that uh that Chase 1194 01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:30,320 has not implemented this, but to have Salmon Arm, a nearby community, 1195 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:36,159 institute it would give them the courage to also step forward. And maybe it just 1196 01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:39,440 takes one community to implement this plan and the rest of the communities 1197 01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:44,679 would get on board, which is what we've seen across regions around BC. 1198 01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:52,000 Um, why would uh there was a comment that uh you know 1199 01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:56,000 builders might not build here. They might go build in Vernon instead. Well, 1200 01:46:53,600 --> 01:47:03,119 I I disagree. The builders are already building above and beyond what we're 1201 01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:06,800 asking for in this uh motion. So, I don't believe that it would scare them 1202 01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:11,440 off at all. People are coming all the way from Naimo to build in Salmon Arm 1203 01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:16,239 because there's opportunity here. And this we've seen from multiple letters 1204 01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:19,679 from multiple developers who are building this way that this is actually 1205 01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:25,679 cheaper for the developer and for the builders that this saves them money. It 1206 01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:29,679 saves everybody money. So the argument that they might go somewhere else to 1207 01:47:27,199 --> 01:47:37,199 build that just doesn't sit right with me at all. Also the comment that LG is 1208 01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:42,880 being developed for export. Yes, maybe that's true. Maybe we sell a million 1209 01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:47,360 tons of LNG to other countries, but that doesn't mean that if we reduce our LNG 1210 01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:52,880 use in BC that we're going to just sell more. It means we'll probably still sell 1211 01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:58,000 a million tons of LNG to another country. It doesn't mean that we 1212 01:47:54,320 --> 01:48:02,360 shouldn't stop our own consumption. Again, we have to start somewhere. 1213 01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:12,719 CRP itself uh assumes that we're going to be EL4 by 2030. That's correct and 1214 01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:19,280 that is exactly what this motion asks us to do. But the CRP also states very 1215 01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:24,000 explicitly that they recommend early adoption which is also what we're asking 1216 01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:29,679 for in this motion. So I think we just have to be brave 1217 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:33,920 enough. For me I mean it for me it doesn't even feel brave. It just feels 1218 01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:39,440 like the only choice there is actually. Um, but we need to try to work through 1219 01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:44,960 these issues and obviously this is going to fail today. I hope that future 1220 01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:50,800 councils after October will take a look at this video and we'll consider these 1221 01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:54,960 options and we'll reconsider this six months from now. I hope uh and bring it 1222 01:48:53,119 --> 01:49:02,560 back to the table and try to get it passed because I think that you know our 1223 01:48:58,719 --> 01:49:08,840 future depends on this kind of action. >> Thank you councelor Lingren. Are there 1224 01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:08,840 further speakers to the motion? 1225 01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:19,119 » I will call the question on the motion. All those in favor? Any opposed? 1226 01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:24,400 Councelor Cannon, myself, councelor Wallace Richmond opposed. Motion does 1227 01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:30,080 not pass. Councilors, we will move move forward to 1228 01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:34,880 what was 1010, which is director of engineering and 1229 01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:38,480 sustainability climate resiliency plan. There is a motion for consideration. If 1230 01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:45,080 we can have a mover in a second or to get that on the floor. Councelor 1231 01:49:40,719 --> 01:49:45,080 Canella. Thank you, Councelor Cannon. 1232 01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:52,320 Mr. Mills, are you speaking to us about this or is this Mr. Buckton? 1233 01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:54,719 » Mr. Buckton. >> Buckton. 1234 01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:56,560 » Okay. I just saw Mr. Mills there. >> Thank you. 1235 01:49:55,280 --> 01:50:01,199 » Mr. Buckton, please go ahead. >> Thank you. You worship it. Members of 1236 01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:04,960 council, um, as noted here, we're seeking council's endorsement of the 1237 01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:08,960 climate resiliency plan, which is a massive project that Miss Wilson, Mr. 1238 01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:13,760 Mills have been working on as project leads for quite some time. Um, August 1239 01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:19,520 4th, development planning services committee meeting. um you asked us to 1240 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:25,600 seek and coate last comments on on the plan which I will get to in a 1241 01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:30,159 moment. So the plan itself it's both an adaptation and mitigation. Um so we're 1242 01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:34,000 we're looking at reducing risks and vulnerabilities. 1243 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:37,679 I I'm before I start I'm not going to go through that whole presentation again 1244 01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:42,159 that Miss Wilson went through so don't panic. Um so the there are adaptation 1245 01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:45,679 elements to the plan. Uh there are mitigation so reducing greenhouse gas 1246 01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:51,280 emissions that contribute to climate change. 1247 01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:57,040 Um there are 44 actions identified under nine focus areas or nine categories 1248 01:50:55,199 --> 01:51:01,199 um uh that are outlined in the plan. Um 1249 01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:07,119 there are some key strategic actions whether or not it's um development of 1250 01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:11,760 climate resilience resilience policy a climate development of a climate 1251 01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:15,280 resilience community strategy um review and updating our emergency management 1252 01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:19,520 plans particularly with respect to adaptation 1253 01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:27,679 and establishing sustainable funding and staffing capacity to implement the CRP. 1254 01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:33,199 Um in terms of the the comments that that we did receive um um following 1255 01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:37,760 council's direction or committee's direction 1256 01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:42,639 um I mean I I would categorize it typified as some general support 1257 01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:47,520 comments on background um the comments from interior health um particularly 1258 01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:52,080 around language I think we can address those on a go forward basis I'm not sure 1259 01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:56,159 that going back through the and would involve 1260 01:51:53,840 --> 01:52:01,199 a significant amount of editorial um that I don't know would add a terrible 1261 01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:06,639 amount of I don't want to knock that but might not add a lot of value for the 1262 01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:13,840 effort required but certainly um moving forwards um we can certainly 1263 01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:19,280 take that on board um and address it as we move forward I mean if council wants 1264 01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:24,400 any of that editorial directed then please let us know but we weren't 1265 01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:24,400 planning to go back through the document 1266 01:52:24,719 --> 01:52:33,280 um the climate action society um they made some interesting comments around 1267 01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:38,400 the modeling um redoing that redoing the project. So we're not going to recommend 1268 01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:42,080 that council step that far back um 1269 01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:47,920 I mean in terms of the priorities council can take those up as part of 1270 01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:52,400 future budget decisions and project decisions and strategy decisions going 1271 01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:59,440 forward. So, um I don't plan on I say Mr. Mills and I 1272 01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:05,040 are here to answer council's questions. Um but I say we 1273 01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:09,119 um in terms of the feedback, council has seen it. I don't know that we need to 1274 01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:14,400 make any amendments to the to the CRP unless specifically directed, but 1275 01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:18,239 I would try and answer council's questions from this point forward. 1276 01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:21,679 » Great. Thank you very much, Mr. Buckton. Um, I will open it up to counselors for 1277 01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:24,920 any comments or questions that they might have. 1278 01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:35,199 » Councelor Lingren, >> thanks worship. Uh, I want to start by 1279 01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:41,520 saying thanks to staff for the work um that's gone into this. This report looks 1280 01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:48,159 so different from uh I think back to the days when we did the C report and some 1281 01:53:44,639 --> 01:53:54,639 of our disappointment in how general that was and how 1282 01:53:50,639 --> 01:54:01,920 um just broad broad uh strokes rather than you know 1283 01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:11,679 specific actions. This climate plan is specific. It's uh based on science. It's 1284 01:54:07,440 --> 01:54:16,159 very adaptable. It's got real actions that we could implement, some of them 1285 01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:23,599 very quickly. Um, [laughter] 1286 01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:30,000 with political will. Um, and so I I I just want to express how appreciative I 1287 01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:35,920 am of this kind of quality of report coming forward. 1288 01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:39,920 Um, we know that the risks from climate change are going not what we're 1289 01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:44,320 experiencing today is not what we're going to be experiencing in 20 years. 1290 01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:51,920 It's going to be, you know, multiple times worse. This is the beginning of a 1291 01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:59,280 long stretch of tough roads ahead. And so implementing some of these things 1292 01:54:54,719 --> 01:55:04,480 now, I think, is a key piece. Um, adaptation is really important. I think 1293 01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:10,960 that we know what some of the risks are with fire and flood and heat and drought 1294 01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:15,280 and we know that um we need to prepare now because you know as I said things 1295 01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:21,440 are going to get worse and we need to be ready when they do. I think that um you 1296 01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:25,760 know drought and fire are probably the biggest risks that we face in Salmon Arm 1297 01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:31,679 and I think that there are things that we will do uh moving forward or future 1298 01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:36,480 councils will do moving forward. Um and staff seems to already be moving in that 1299 01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:41,360 direction of you know working on building bylaws change mandating things 1300 01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:46,000 like charging infrastructure and fire smart landscapes and uh solar readiness 1301 01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:50,719 those types of things. um because our future is going to be 1302 01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:55,440 electric and we know that uh those things are going to be important. Um I 1303 01:55:53,119 --> 01:56:02,960 think water meters comes back to mind for me as a really important um 1304 01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:08,080 mitigation strategy. How are we going to help people understand the water that 1305 01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:13,199 they use and the effect it has? uh we need to be able to show every single 1306 01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:19,199 homeowner what's happening in their own home and teach them how to work towards 1307 01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:25,280 it. So um towards doing better. So I think one of the things that uh you I I 1308 01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:31,199 can't see any reason we wouldn't adopt this today or endorse this today. I I 1309 01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:37,119 will be endorsing it. Um uh and I I hope that the next step after this will be 1310 01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:43,599 around um education, the education piece for our staff and for our uh community 1311 01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:46,800 and for council. Um, one of the things that we saw in England 1312 01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:56,159 a couple of years ago when we were traveling there was uh billboard type uh 1313 01:56:51,679 --> 01:57:01,360 advertising for things like um uh trading in one trip in your car for a 1314 01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:06,400 bicycle reduces greenhouse gases by x number of whatever. And so I I hope that 1315 01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:10,560 in the not too distant future we're able to move into that phase and we can start 1316 01:57:08,719 --> 01:57:16,719 educating people about how their decisions in their daily life can help 1317 01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:20,320 um cumulatively make big changes for everybody. 1318 01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:24,000 » Thank you councelor Lingren. Councelor Wallace Richmond. 1319 01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:31,280 » No thanks. I just I had a question and then a comment. Um, 1320 01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:35,760 in the report, uh, is there any reference to things that 1321 01:57:33,599 --> 01:57:40,000 might be outside of our jurisdiction like provincial that would require 1322 01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:45,440 provincial or federal funding? I mean, I I just see that things like investment 1323 01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:51,520 can be sort of very high as opposed to low. But I'm assuming the very high ones 1324 01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:56,159 like retrofitting our own buildings um would absolutely require uh provincial 1325 01:57:53,840 --> 01:58:02,080 and federal support. I mean is that a fair statement? Cuz I'm okay with I this 1326 01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:07,360 is a comprehensive plan. It's all tied together. It's very thoughtful. 1327 01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:11,280 Completely happy to endorse it. I just think that we can't set an expectation 1328 01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:14,960 where it means that we are going to pay for all of this all by ourselves. I I 1329 01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:18,800 feel like that would be an important piece to put in there somewhere. 1330 01:58:16,719 --> 01:58:22,960 » Mr. Buckton, can you respond? >> Yes, through the chair. Um I don't 1331 01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:28,400 believe there's anything that's beyond our ability legislatively or 1332 01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:32,320 jurisdictionally. Um funding. Yes, that that's an entirely different. 1333 01:58:30,639 --> 01:58:35,520 Will it require funding from other sources? Inevitably. 1334 01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:38,639 » Yeah, most plans do. Yeah. >> Okay. 1335 01:58:36,639 --> 01:58:45,599 Well, I just I always think it's important to set expectations and the 1336 01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:52,080 truth is um as you know, as we learned in the um PowerPoint around this um we 1337 01:58:50,159 --> 01:58:56,320 know that our our biggest vulnerability is actually buildings, our own buildings 1338 01:58:54,320 --> 01:59:00,560 and the community's biggest vulnerability is transportation. So one 1339 01:58:58,639 --> 01:59:04,800 of those things means transit which we share with the province and the other 1340 01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:11,520 thing other thing means very expensive retrofits of older community facilities 1341 01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:16,080 which also need um senior orders of government to help fund. So let's just 1342 01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:19,040 be clear as we move forward that we're going to have to do this in partnership. 1343 01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:24,960 Thank you. >> Thank you. Councelor Wallace Richmond. 1344 01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:29,599 Um councelor Lavy please go ahead. >> Yeah thanks your worship. Um I to a lot 1345 01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:36,719 of this is a good document. I want to thank uh city staff um the engagement 1346 01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:40,960 with organizations, experts, residents, the uh steering group committees, the 1347 01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:46,400 work that has been done in terms of getting feedback loop and the broad 1348 01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:51,119 community participation. I think it's been quite remarkable and I think it is 1349 01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:57,199 the document for for the future. Um I'm wondering if we could get to page on the 1350 01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:57,199 screen, page 139, please. 1351 01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:05,137 part of the report. [clears throat] 1352 02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:14,480 Thank you. And your worship, I'm going to hammer away hammer away at this. 1353 02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:17,920 Under buildings, use policy tools to incentivize the 1354 02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:22,400 adoption of green building infrastructure that enhances cooling, 1355 02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:31,560 energy efficiency, water conservation, and overall climate resilience. 1356 02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:31,560 Priority very high, investment low, 1357 02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:41,679 and a a timeline. 1358 02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:48,400 Buildings implement the zerocarbon step code by 2030. 1359 02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:51,800 priority very high, investment very low 1360 02:00:53,360 --> 02:01:04,400 by 2030. your worship. I accept but I disagree profoundly with our last 1361 02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:09,880 decision on zero carbon step code. But I would urge the upcoming council 1362 02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:21,520 to put in definitive to review to put in definitive timelines of what actually 1363 02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:29,760 short and medium is. both are talking about 2027 2030 and in 1364 02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:34,480 my view short and medium doesn't say okay we're going to do it in 202720 2030 1365 02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:39,440 I think it'll be a challenge there may not be the political will there I think 1366 02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:44,159 that there should be and I think that uh and I'm hoping that the next council 1367 02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:49,840 will pick up this ball um in my view your worship that's been dropped but 1368 02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:54,960 that not to taint what is the good document here thank 1369 02:01:52,639 --> 02:02:00,159 Thank you, Councelor Lavy. Are there any other comments from council or questions 1370 02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:04,480 at this time? Councelor Lingren, is there anyone else 1371 02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:06,880 want to speak that hasn't had a chance? Okay, councelor Lingram, please go 1372 02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:11,599 ahead. >> Thanks, Worship. Uh just wanted to 1373 02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:18,000 comment on partnerships and how uh well done that was in this document actually. 1374 02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:20,639 uh partnerships with groups like forest or [clears throat] industries like 1375 02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:24,960 forestry and agriculture. Those are going to be so important moving forward. 1376 02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:31,280 They have such a huge effect on how things happen. Really happy to see uh 1377 02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:35,840 the city looking at ways that we can collaborate. 1378 02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:39,920 If we lose the funding for firesmarting our community, can we partner with 1379 02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:44,000 forestry to do selective logging in those areas? like those are natural fits 1380 02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:47,599 and I think they're things that we haven't really explored in detail before 1381 02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:52,480 and I'm really happy to see those coming forward. Um the other thing that I hope 1382 02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:58,639 that we look at in the not too distant future is some kind of I I saw one of 1383 02:02:55,280 --> 02:03:05,679 the things for 2027 was um CRP funding and staffing. And I don't know what 1384 02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:11,119 staff is thinking about um uh as far as staffing what that will look like or but 1385 02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:17,199 I'm imagining some kind of CRP coordinator position working with the 1386 02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:21,679 Zero Home Collective to help citizens um connect with the services they need if 1387 02:03:19,199 --> 02:03:25,760 they want to retrofit their home. um connecting with forestry, connecting 1388 02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:30,480 with uh interior health, those types of agriculture, those types of things to 1389 02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:36,400 help move the city's um objectives forward and using those partnerships to 1390 02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:42,080 uh get them done at a reasonable cost or no cost to the city um because there's a 1391 02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:47,199 partnership in place where somebody is going to benefit from that. So again, 1392 02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:51,360 just thank you for the good work done. >> Thank you, Councelor Lingren. Are there 1393 02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:54,360 any further comments or questions from council? 1394 02:03:56,239 --> 02:04:04,000 Okay, seeing none, um I'd also like to thank staff and not just staff, but 1395 02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:10,320 there was many many groups involved in helping provide information for input. 1396 02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:15,840 the steering committee um had members from from all kinds of groups within 1397 02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:20,800 within salmon arm and uh and they provided that the information they 1398 02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:25,760 provided is included in this document. I think one of the really important pieces 1399 02:04:23,599 --> 02:04:34,159 in this document is it's it brings together um city departments because 1400 02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:41,280 with regards to to this kind of change we we need to make sure that uh that all 1401 02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:46,000 of the departments are considering and working together and sharing and we've 1402 02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:53,440 seen that progression happen. I think this this document really spells it out. 1403 02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:59,679 um have to agree the education piece is is really large um um for for us to get 1404 02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:05,040 out to the community um details of the of the plan and we certainly will do 1405 02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:11,119 that. Um and there is a number of major components that we we need to continue 1406 02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:16,320 to to educate on. um water metering metering which was mentioned and which 1407 02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:20,719 we're piloting now is is one that's quite significant and uh and one that we 1408 02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:25,360 need to talk about more with our community. Uh 1409 02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:30,480 the transportation component and getting people out of their cars. Um we're we're 1410 02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:35,920 doing it a piece at a time through through electric bikes and active 1411 02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:41,040 transportation networks. Um I'm seeing more and more of it and I'm a personal 1412 02:05:37,599 --> 02:05:45,920 example. Um and so that is that is a a reasonably easy way that that uh 1413 02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:55,760 community members can contribute. So also like to thank we we ask um a 1414 02:05:51,119 --> 02:06:01,119 number of groups to comment on the draft uh and appreciate those comments but I 1415 02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:06,239 don't want to hold up this resiliency plan by going back and adjusting. I 1416 02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:10,560 think those comments are useful be useful for the future. I think it's 1417 02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:18,159 important that we pass it today. So, I certainly will vote uh to uh in favor of 1418 02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:23,040 um of accepting this uh document. Seeing no other speakers, I will call a 1419 02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:28,159 question. All those in favor? That passes unanimously. 1420 02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:36,719 Thank you very much. Okay, we are going to move in camera. 1421 02:06:32,239 --> 02:06:41,440 Um, I'll just check with uh our chief uh administrative officer if she 1422 02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:47,360 could read the uh motion for consideration 1423 02:06:44,239 --> 02:06:52,400 » that pursuant to section 91D and 92B of the community charter. 1424 02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:55,679 Council moving camera. >> Could I have a mover and a seconder? 1425 02:06:54,239 --> 02:07:00,920 Councelor Canella, councelor Wallace Richmond. Thank you. All those in favor? 1426 02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:07,040 That passes unanimously. Thank you. I think uh for members of the public, 1427 02:07:04,719 --> 02:07:11,280 we'll probably be about 45 minutes. So, I'm thinking 4:00. We should come back 1428 02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:15,760 to regular session at 4:00. So, if you're interested in coming back on, um 1429 02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:19,560 come back on at that time. Council will take a short little break. 1430 02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:26,760 This conference will now be recorded. 1431 02:08:08,719 --> 02:08:15,760 We will reconvene the city of Salmon regular council meeting of Monday, 1432 02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:21,360 August 24th. Welcome back. Uh councelor Labry is with us virtually as some staff 1433 02:08:18,639 --> 02:08:28,239 members um and the rest of council here in the council chamber with our staff. 1434 02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:32,320 Council, we have uh moved to item or tab 12 now, which is the introduction of 1435 02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:37,520 bylaws. And the first one is a fee for services amendment bylaw 4761. It's 1436 02:08:35,199 --> 02:08:41,760 water and sewer rates. There is a motion for consideration. I can have a mover in 1437 02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:46,480 a seconder to get that on the floor. Councelor Cannon, Councelor Lingren. 1438 02:08:43,599 --> 02:08:50,520 Thank you. I'll pass it over to Mr. JRO to speak to us about the report. 1439 02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:58,914 or will the chief financial officer Oh, Mr. Buckton's gonna speak to this. Okay, 1440 02:08:57,280 --> 02:09:01,119 Mr. Buckton, I'm sorry. Please go ahead. [laughter] 1441 02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:06,719 » Thank you, worship, members of council. Um, bylaw 4761 is is essentially an 1442 02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:10,400 attempt to harmonize the utility rate categories 1443 02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:14,239 with the land use categories that have developed through the the zoning bylaw 1444 02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:19,040 and the schmoo legislation. So, we're starting to see these accessory dwelling 1445 02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:23,920 units of various sizes that don't really fit into the existing categories in the 1446 02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:28,159 current FIFA services bio agency, private dwellings, apartments, and 1447 02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:31,760 suites, boarding and lodging. Um, a freestanding suite that we're seeing, 1448 02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:37,840 these carriage homes, garage homes, granny suite, um, they're not really a 1449 02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:42,159 suite as the current bylaw anticipates it. Um and the current size limit 1450 02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:47,599 potentially on these accessory dwelling units is quite large. Um so it it just 1451 02:09:45,199 --> 02:09:51,199 doesn't fit into the categories that we have 1452 02:09:49,119 --> 02:09:55,040 um in the current fee for services spiral. So what we're proposing is to 1453 02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:59,520 move from the first the first four private dwellings, apartments and 1454 02:09:56,800 --> 02:10:03,440 residents combined with the new categories we would propose are 1455 02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:06,719 residential dwelling apartments and secondary suites and then accessory 1456 02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:11,440 dwelling units below that threshold which is 104 square meters and there is 1457 02:10:08,719 --> 02:10:17,440 some rationale for that and then ADUs or accessory dwelling units above that 104 1458 02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:21,679 square meters. Residential dwellings the new category is essentially the same as 1459 02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:25,520 private dwellings previously. um that would capture single family homes, 1460 02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:30,400 duplexes, triplexes, and grand oriented town homes definitions contained in the 1461 02:10:28,239 --> 02:10:34,079 new bylaw to cover that off. Same definitions as we have in the zoning 1462 02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:37,599 bylaw. So, we've got consistency across those bylaws. 1463 02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:42,560 The rates would stay unchanged for that category of of dwelling unit. Um 1464 02:10:40,719 --> 02:10:46,159 apartments and secondary suites would capture apartments and suites within 1465 02:10:44,239 --> 02:10:51,599 homes as those currently what we understand as secondary suites. 1466 02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:55,760 um the rate is assigned the same rate that it currently is. So it's it's that 1467 02:10:53,440 --> 02:11:00,320 much lower rate. The smaller accessory dwelling units 1468 02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:05,599 would be given the same rate as suites. That's the two 211 for water and 205 for 1469 02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:11,760 sewer. And larger accessory dwelling units, that's above the 104.1 m get the 1470 02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:17,440 higher rate. Um the rationale being that those are the larger units. The 104 1471 02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:23,760 104.1 m actually has a bit of thought behind it. It's 75% of the um average 1472 02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:28,719 single family home size and we had Patrick pull the the assessment records. 1473 02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:33,920 So there is some math and some rationale behind picking picking that number. Um 1474 02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:37,440 so that the larger units get assigned to larger utility rate. They say the rates 1475 02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:42,320 remain the same. We haven't changed the rates. It's just what we put into those 1476 02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:46,960 categories is a little clearer. and the these ADUs that we're seeing which don't 1477 02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:51,360 fit anywhere right now have a home to go to. It's clear everyone can see what it 1478 02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:57,440 is when we're assigning the utility rates. Um it's very clear about where to 1479 02:11:54,400 --> 02:12:02,639 put that. Um the note sections been amended um so we've got the necessary um 1480 02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:05,599 definitions um or we're cross referencing to 1481 02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:11,280 definitions from the zoning bio [snorts] so it's clear about what is what. 1482 02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:15,440 um we don't intend to look at the existing utility accounts. That work of 1483 02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:19,280 trolling through manually through each of those records would be a massive 1484 02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:25,360 piece of work. So as those accounts change, we can reassess, but we're not 1485 02:12:21,679 --> 02:12:29,520 going to go back in and change those. Um at this point in time, we don't 1486 02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:35,760 anticipate this will have any impact on revenue. Um I say as an administrative 1487 02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:39,520 classification of utility accounts, we don't feel there's a need for public 1488 02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:42,719 communication. So, as noted, we're just trying to make sure that what we're 1489 02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:47,199 seeing through the zoning ble has a place to go in the utility account 1490 02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:50,639 classifications. >> Thank you very much. Thank you for that 1491 02:12:48,639 --> 02:12:53,920 explanation and for the report, counselors, I'll open it up to you if 1492 02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:57,719 you have any questions or any comments that you wish to make. 1493 02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:04,320 » Councelor Lingren, >> thanks for worship. Um, so I'm in 1494 02:13:01,599 --> 02:13:09,760 generally support in support of this. I see the rationale I think for you know I 1495 02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:14,960 think what the push is is more people more wear and tear more use of utilities 1496 02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:18,560 therefore higher rates is that correct that's why we charge more 1497 02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:23,760 » Mr. Braxton. Yes, we're using the size and size of 1498 02:13:21,119 --> 02:13:27,840 the unit as a proxy for uh impact on utilities. The larger the 1499 02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:31,840 unit, the more likely to have larger fixtures. It's the best short counting 1500 02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:37,360 fixtures. It's the best proxy we have. >> Great. Councelor Lingren. 1501 02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:42,719 » Yeah. So, I assume that it's too hard to it's probably not possible to 1502 02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:46,320 assess based on the number of people actually living there. And here's my 1503 02:13:44,639 --> 02:13:50,400 thought process. Um, if [clears throat] you live in a 1504 02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:54,880 house that has a thousand square ft on each of two floors and it's got three or 1505 02:13:52,719 --> 02:14:00,400 four bed, say four bedrooms, two up, two down, with a wreck room uh, in the 1506 02:13:57,119 --> 02:14:06,000 basement and you raise a family with four kids, that's a pretty realistic 1507 02:14:03,679 --> 02:14:11,119 Yikes. Go away. Oh, I don't have a touchcreen. Sorry. 1508 02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:14,960 Um, so if you raise a family with four kids, that's a pretty realistic number 1509 02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:20,079 of people to be in that house. Then your kids grow up and leave home. Uh you've 1510 02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:23,840 had four basically uh six basically six adults in the house for a number of 1511 02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:27,840 years. And then your kids all leave home and you think, you know, this space in 1512 02:14:26,079 --> 02:14:31,599 the basement would be much better used. Let's put in a suite down there. So you 1513 02:14:29,679 --> 02:14:36,639 put in a a two-bedroom suite and you rent it out, but there might just be one 1514 02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:40,239 person living there. And so you have two people upstairs and one person 1515 02:14:38,159 --> 02:14:44,000 downstairs and you now have half as many people, but you're going to pay one and 1516 02:14:41,599 --> 02:14:48,079 a half times as much for utilities. And I'm wondering whether or not it's a 1517 02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:52,560 deterrent for people to sweep their place and whether or not we might be if 1518 02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:56,719 we're trying to incentivize housing more housing and incentivize adding a suite 1519 02:14:55,199 --> 02:15:03,199 to your home if you're not using that space if it would be smart for us to not 1520 02:15:00,719 --> 02:15:08,880 charge if the suite is within the home. Is that a possibility? 1521 02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:13,520 » Mr. Buckton, can you uh comment? the chair. I believe it's been practiced 1522 02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:19,360 for many years to charge for that secondary suite. So that would be a 1523 02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:24,560 reversal of um long-standing practice at the city. 1524 02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:30,159 » Councelor Lingren, >> yeah, it has been a practice. Um but we 1525 02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:35,840 have not had a push like we have now to increase housing and uh density and uh 1526 02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:40,960 provincial rules have changed, municipal bylaws are changing. Um, you know, there 1527 02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:47,119 are lots of reasons to be increasing incentives for people to put sweets in. 1528 02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:51,199 So, it I'm for me it feels like it's an appropriate time to rethink that 1529 02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:55,440 philosophy that it may not be that there are more people living in that house and 1530 02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:58,960 that there are not there's not a higher use of utilities and the chances are 1531 02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:03,280 that there's actually fewer people living in the house than there was when 1532 02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:07,119 it was a four-bedroom home uh single family home. 1533 02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:11,079 » Thank you, Councelor Lingren. Are there other speakers to the motion? 1534 02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:18,960 I see none. I will call the question. All those in favor? 1535 02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:23,840 Any opposed? That passes unanimously. Thank you. We 1536 02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:29,840 will go to reconsideration of bylaws, which is tab 13. 1537 02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:33,679 First one is zoning a bylaw 4759, civic address 3851th Avenue Southeast. The 1538 02:16:32,479 --> 02:16:38,960 owner is Little Mountain Ridge Developments. agent is uh Dave McHugh. 1539 02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:43,280 There's a motion for consideration for this final reading. If I have a mover in 1540 02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:47,920 a seconder, councelor Canam will move. Councelor Wallace Richmond will second. 1541 02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:52,080 I'll pass it over to Mr. Buckton just to review briefly this final reading. 1542 02:16:50,479 --> 02:16:57,679 » Thank you. Worship members of council. Um this is the reszoning just west of 1543 02:16:55,200 --> 02:17:03,760 Little Mountain Park. It's going from A2 to R10. It's consistent with the OCP. No 1544 02:17:00,399 --> 02:17:08,639 changes or issues since um council last considered this. 1545 02:17:05,439 --> 02:17:11,639 » Thank you. Councilors, any questions or comments? 1546 02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:18,559 » I will call a question. All those in favor? 1547 02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:23,280 That passes unanimously. Thank you. The next one 13.2. Again, final reading is 1548 02:17:21,679 --> 02:17:27,439 traffic bylaw, ticket information utilization bylaw, and fee for service 1549 02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:32,479 bylaw amendments 4773,74 and 75. There is a motion for 1550 02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:36,960 consideration. Um, councelor Lavy, if you were interested in moving or 1551 02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:40,559 seconding, I take move here. Thank you. Moved by councelor Lavy, second by 1552 02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:44,719 councelor Cannon. >> I'll pass that over to Mr. Buckton. 1553 02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:49,280 » Thank you, worship, members of council. Again, um these three bylaws of council 1554 02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:56,399 recollects are a suite of bylaws to the three separate bylaws that deal with um 1555 02:17:53,120 --> 02:18:01,679 enforcement and trying to align all of our bylaws so that we can undertake 1556 02:17:58,319 --> 02:18:05,679 digital um ticketing. >> Thank you. Thanks for that summary. 1557 02:18:03,599 --> 02:18:08,639 Counselors, any questions or comments? Councelor Lingren, 1558 02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:15,840 » maybe you already know what I'm going to say. Um, I noticed in the traffic bylaw 1559 02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:20,160 that people can be ticketed for using their engine retarder brakes and I 1560 02:18:18,719 --> 02:18:24,880 wondered if we could start maybe implementing more tickets for that to 1561 02:18:22,880 --> 02:18:29,359 see if that stops people from using them on Tank Hill. 1562 02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:35,080 » Mr. Bson, can you respond? >> Certainly something that if it's in the 1563 02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:35,080 bylaw, we can do that. 1564 02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:41,840 » Thank you. Councelor Lingren, any further comments? I'll start calling 1565 02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:45,359 bylaw instead of the RCMP then. Thanks. >> Thank you. Any other comments or 1566 02:18:43,439 --> 02:18:50,040 questions? I'll call a question and all those in 1567 02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:50,040 favor 1568 02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:58,479 that passes unanimously. Council, we're into correspondence and 1569 02:18:55,599 --> 02:19:03,679 councelor Ganell, I think um if it's okay with you, we'll deal with the two 1570 02:19:00,479 --> 02:19:10,000 items that um you made a de declaration in 1419 and one and 15. So I will call 1571 02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:15,920 you back after council's had an opportunity to work on those two. So I 1572 02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:21,479 would call on a counselor who's willing to um speak to those items. 1573 02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:26,719 Councelor Wallace Richmond, please go ahead. 1574 02:19:24,559 --> 02:19:30,880 » Yeah. 1419 Trail Alliance request 1575 02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:36,639 to host their spring trail celebration at the South Canoe. Um they're always 1576 02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:43,200 well ahead of time planning for June 5th, a very popular event. I would move 1577 02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:47,439 that uh we ask staff to work with the Trail Alliance uh to put in place 1578 02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:51,200 whatever is needed to done to accommodate this request. 1579 02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:54,880 » Thank you. Seconder councelor Cannon. Thank you. Do you wish to speak to your 1580 02:19:53,280 --> 02:20:01,680 motion, Councelor Wallace Richmond? >> Uh, no. Um, yes. Would be the fourth 1581 02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:06,479 year, I think, of this uh event. It's an important one for the Trail Alliance and 1582 02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:11,439 uh I hope council will support. >> Thank you. Any other speakers to that 1583 02:20:08,880 --> 02:20:15,600 motion? I'll call a question and all those in 1584 02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:19,760 favor that passes unanimously. 1585 02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:22,880 Um, would someone like to bring up 14.15? 1586 02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:26,240 Thank you, Councelor Canon. Please go ahead. 1587 02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:33,920 » So, this is a request, but I'm just kind of thinking that this 1588 02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:42,000 request is coming in the final hour. Uh I don't know. I'm sure this is on the 1589 02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:48,560 radar of our staff because uh the parade is this this weekend. So, 1590 02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:54,800 um, but this is the closure for the fall fair which starts on the Thursday, the 1591 02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:59,760 road closure. So, make a motion that staff work with the fall fair. 1592 02:20:58,399 --> 02:21:04,720 » Thank you. Is there a second to the motion? Councelor Lingren, 1593 02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:08,640 should we check in with our staff and just see how 1594 02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:12,560 » I just wanted to just say to staff, is this too short a notice or was it on 1595 02:21:11,439 --> 02:21:15,680 your radar screen? >> Mr. 1596 02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:20,479 Yeah, thank you through your worship. Uh it was on our radar. It was just uh an 1597 02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:25,120 item that was missed previously in in their road closures and the parade route 1598 02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:27,520 and it was a frantic phone call late last week in the evening. That's what I 1599 02:21:26,960 --> 02:21:30,880 was wondering. >> And uh yeah, so we're all good. This is 1600 02:21:29,680 --> 02:21:36,479 the same they've done for previous years. They'll also be utilizing the the 1601 02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:39,520 the old memorial arena lot as a expansion of their fair as well. So no 1602 02:21:38,880 --> 02:21:45,439 concerns. >> And we're able to provide barricades 1603 02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:49,680 and certainly signs. Perfect. Thanks so much. 1604 02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:54,800 » Thank you. Um, is there any comments or questions around that motion? 1605 02:21:53,359 --> 02:21:59,040 Seeing none, I'll call a question. All those in favor? 1606 02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:04,319 Thank you. And thank you for our staff for always uh being so willing to work 1607 02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:08,840 with these groups. All right, we'll invite Councelor Ganella back. 1608 02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:50,560 Welcome back, Councelor Canella. Um, we've dealt with those two items. So, 1609 02:22:48,880 --> 02:22:54,560 counselors, I'll open it up to you for any of the other items that you might 1610 02:22:52,080 --> 02:23:00,080 wish to speak to on theformational correspondence. Councelor Cannon. 1611 02:22:56,800 --> 02:23:05,600 » Thank you, your worship. Oh, I just uh lost what number it was. Just a sec. 1612 02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:10,880 14.1.5 the letter from the SPCA. 1613 02:23:08,880 --> 02:23:16,080 » Yes, please go ahead. >> I mean, this is uh I think an 1614 02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:24,720 interesting opportunity. uh looking at the letter from them um 1615 02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:30,720 leasing the land possibly from them. But I think this is something that we 1616 02:23:27,439 --> 02:23:36,399 need to look at at budget time. >> So could I make a motion to put this on 1617 02:23:33,760 --> 02:23:40,720 specific would it be specific referrals for worship? 1618 02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:46,720 » Yes, please. And maybe we can even uh get staff to get us a bit more 1619 02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:52,720 information on they say in here that they did some preliminary figuring and 1620 02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:58,080 they figure it would be 100,000 plus volunteer time, but maybe we could have 1621 02:23:56,080 --> 02:24:01,040 a little bit more information from staff if they could look at it. 1622 02:23:59,840 --> 02:24:06,240 » Thank you for the motion. Is there a seconder? Councelor Ganella will second. 1623 02:24:04,399 --> 02:24:12,800 Um did you wish to speak further to your motion, Councelor Can? I just think uh 1624 02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:16,240 with it being right on 97 uh definitely fencing would be an issue and it would 1625 02:24:14,720 --> 02:24:21,840 be interesting to see what kind of configuration to make this work for a 1626 02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:26,319 dog park cuz the dog people are always looking for a dog park. So 1627 02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:30,319 » thank you council Lingren. I see your buttons pressed. Is it for this item? 1628 02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:33,760 Okay. I don't see other speakers for this item. And by putting on specific 1629 02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:37,439 referrals, they also get an invitation to come speak to us. So that might be 1630 02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:41,680 helpful as well. >> All right, I'll call a question. All 1631 02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:48,080 those in favor? That passes unanimously. Thank you. 1632 02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:51,760 Councelor Cannon, do you have any other ones that you'd like to speak to? 1633 02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:55,680 » Well, no, that's good. >> Okay, I'll go to Councelor Lingren next 1634 02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:58,479 then. Councelor Lingren, please go ahead. 1635 02:24:56,240 --> 02:25:02,960 » Uh number eight and number 11, please. >> Okay, let's start with eight then. 1636 02:25:00,319 --> 02:25:07,840 » Um just a letter a letter requesting licensing for cats. just want to keep 1637 02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:11,520 this on the radar of staff that at some point I think this issue is going to 1638 02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:15,120 boil over and we're going to have to address it, but I'm not [clears throat] 1639 02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:19,840 prepared to make any motions at this time. The EAC made some recommendations 1640 02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:23,920 around that and um maybe we should get back to this lady and let her know what 1641 02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:29,200 the issues are around why we haven't instituted licensing for cats just yet. 1642 02:25:26,960 --> 02:25:33,840 » Thank you. We will get back to Miss Tate and appreciate her her concern there. 1643 02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:36,000 Um, and the other one you wanted to speak to was 1644 02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:39,200 » 11. >> Okay. Yes, please go ahead. 1645 02:25:37,600 --> 02:25:44,000 » Yeah. So, this is a letter from somebody asking us to ban fireworks. And I 1646 02:25:41,680 --> 02:25:49,120 understand this concern completely. Last summer, there was somebody uh in the 1647 02:25:46,479 --> 02:25:53,680 evening with a black pickup truck parked at, um, Safeway Field, I call it. I 1648 02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:59,840 can't remember what it's really called. uh uh firing off fireworks randomly in 1649 02:25:57,040 --> 02:26:03,760 the middle of a park or a green space in the middle of Salmon Arm and in the 1650 02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:09,439 middle of fire season. It just seems really tonedeaf and I just wanted to 1651 02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:14,000 know from staff what our legal parameters are around something like a 1652 02:26:11,760 --> 02:26:18,560 fireworks band ban. >> Sure. Would you like to refer it to 1653 02:26:16,880 --> 02:26:23,680 staff to get back to us or do you want to see if we can do it today? Uh if they 1654 02:26:22,319 --> 02:26:28,080 have any information, I'd be happy to hear it. But if um we need some time to 1655 02:26:26,319 --> 02:26:32,399 do some research and see what's possible, I'm happy with that, too. 1656 02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:35,760 » Okay. My suggestion would be we might want to refer because I think the fire 1657 02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:40,319 department might have some input perhaps. Um 1658 02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:43,359 » sorry, I was just wondering if we have legal jurisdiction to ban fireworks 1659 02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:48,240 within the city. >> All right, let's see if we can figure 1660 02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:53,520 that out first. Um C >> your worship uh currently we do not have 1661 02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:58,399 the jurisdiction to ban the sale of fireworks. Um there are some frameworks 1662 02:26:56,240 --> 02:27:04,960 available to us including the fireworks act but um that would specifically 1663 02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:09,520 um create a scenario where selling, giving or setting off fireworks would 1664 02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:15,040 not be permitted except between October 24th and November 1st in any year. So 1665 02:27:12,960 --> 02:27:22,800 very restrictive under the fireworks act. Um there are other means of dealing 1666 02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:26,720 with this through us bylaw. So that would be the mechanism and the city does 1667 02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:31,439 have that ability. >> Yeah, I appreciate that answer. I know 1668 02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:34,960 it's a complicated one. Uh I think the biggest issue is that they're very hard 1669 02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:38,080 to catch because they go down there and you see them and you call the RCMP and 1670 02:27:36,640 --> 02:27:42,479 by the time they get there, these guys have packed up and gone somewhere else 1671 02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:49,200 to do it. So, um, yeah, just anything we can do to mitigate that. I think there's 1672 02:27:45,280 --> 02:27:52,960 a a fairly supportive group of residents in Salmon Arm that would be in favor of 1673 02:27:50,880 --> 02:27:57,359 banning fireworks that are just random like that. I think they're dangerous. 1674 02:27:54,479 --> 02:28:01,680 They're disruptive to um, pets and um, animals. And anyway, it's just a huge 1675 02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:06,080 fire hazard and a nuisance and I don't think they should be allowed to do it. 1676 02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:10,720 » Thank you, Councelor Lingren. >> No other uh, items. 1677 02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:16,399 » Okay. Um there is one other item that requires 1678 02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:21,439 our it's around the Terry Fox run. Um if someone could bring that one up. They're 1679 02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:24,240 asking to be able to Oh, Council Cannon probably knows. Councelor Cannon, go 1680 02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:29,840 ahead. >> Okay. So, they are looking 1681 02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:33,359 » it's 4.1.2. >> Yeah, I got it. 1682 02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:37,760 » We've rented the gazebo at Blackburn Park for September. Proudly hosted. 1683 02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:42,240 While reviewing the rental agreement, I noticed that amplification is not 1684 02:28:39,439 --> 02:28:47,600 permitted and that access to power on site is restricted. I am writing the 1685 02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:54,479 request special permission for the Terry Foxorn to use available power and 1686 02:28:50,880 --> 02:29:00,640 limited amplification during the event. So, 1687 02:28:56,960 --> 02:29:06,880 um I guess I would ask our director 1688 02:29:04,240 --> 02:29:12,560 of public works if this is something that we could do. I guess I think it's 1689 02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:17,280 through Shaw Recreation Society. They manage that. Correct. 1690 02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:20,240 » Mr. Dro, can you comment? >> Yep. Thank you, your worship. Uh yeah, 1691 02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:24,720 the gazebo can be booked through the Shrop Recreation Society. Um the 1692 02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:28,160 amplification uh goes against the parks and open space bylaw where they just 1693 02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:32,640 need council approval to have amplification. Otherwise the event no 1694 02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:38,880 concerns you can move. >> So I'll make a motion uh that 1695 02:29:36,479 --> 02:29:44,080 if council would accept them being able to have amplification. 1696 02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:47,760 » Thank you. Seconded by councelor Wallace Richmond. Do you wish to speak to that 1697 02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:52,960 motion? Councelor Cannon. >> Nope. Just want to thank our city 1698 02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:58,000 manager for working with us. >> Okay. Thank you. And that uh Terry Fox 1699 02:29:55,280 --> 02:30:02,920 run September 20th for those interested. I will call the question and all those 1700 02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:02,920 in favor. 1701 02:30:03,680 --> 02:30:10,720 That passes unanimously. Thank you. Councilors, uh councelor Canada, do you 1702 02:30:09,359 --> 02:30:11,920 have any others that you want to talk to? 1703 02:30:11,520 --> 02:30:15,520 » No. >> No. Okay. Then councelor Lingren, then 1704 02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:18,800 councelor Wallace Richmond. >> Uh thanks worship. I wasn't going to 1705 02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:23,120 bring this one up, but number six, I think I just want to comment on. 1706 02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:27,439 » Sure. Go ahead and make your comment. >> I don't [clears throat] know who this um 1707 02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:33,680 writer is or what neighborhood they live in. Um but it seems that they are 1708 02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:39,120 requesting that the city um institute or build or I'm not sure 1709 02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:42,720 exactly how they would do this, but the estab they want us to establish 1710 02:30:40,560 --> 02:30:46,160 neighborhood level fence dog runs. And I just want to comment on how unrealistic 1711 02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:51,760 that would be. First of all, the city doesn't own land in every neighborhood. 1712 02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:56,960 Uh second of all, the cost of either buying land, turning it into dog parks, 1713 02:30:54,240 --> 02:31:01,200 maintaining it, running water, um all the things that would have to happen for 1714 02:30:58,240 --> 02:31:06,399 a dog park is completely off the charts, unrealistic. 1715 02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:10,880 Um there is a ton of places in the air in all of our city, all over the city, 1716 02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:15,439 where you can walk your dog on leash and off leash, including one designated dog 1717 02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:23,280 park. And while I support her idea that more dog parks are uh uh 1718 02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:29,280 favorable, like we need more of them, um having a neighborhood level fence dog 1719 02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:34,160 run in every neighborhood is just never going to happen. Um, so I 1720 02:31:32,159 --> 02:31:41,840 [clears throat] I I also need to comment again that uh um Blackburn Field, 1721 02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:45,359 Blackburn Park is not a dog park. And I know the whole community thinks that it 1722 02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:51,280 is and I'm going to keep saying this until I'm done in October. [laughter] It 1723 02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:55,680 the fairgrounds is not a dog park. The fairgrounds is a place that the board 1724 02:31:53,680 --> 02:32:00,800 allows people to take their dogs because it's a lot of the time unused for other 1725 02:31:58,399 --> 02:32:06,240 things. Um, but it is not a designated dog park. It is not run by the city. Um, 1726 02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:10,399 yeah, we got to stop calling it that. So, we're lucky to have that extra 1727 02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:15,840 space. Khani is the only dog park that I'm aware of. Um, and do we need another 1728 02:32:13,359 --> 02:32:19,680 one, a bigger one with some trails and trees? Yes, of course we do. And, you 1729 02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:24,240 know, just tonight we were or just today we were even just talking about that. 1730 02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:29,146 Um, but yeah, this is a completely unrealistic ask and I don't know if 1731 02:32:27,280 --> 02:32:31,760 staff can >> [laughter] 1732 02:32:29,439 --> 02:32:36,399 » tell her that in a much more measured way than I would be able to. Um but 1733 02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:39,120 yeah, I think that that is off the table. 1734 02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:43,520 » Thank you, Councelor Lingren. Councelor Wallace Richmond. 1735 02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:46,000 » Yeah. On um item 14.1.7 regarding improvements to the boat 1736 02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:50,280 launch. >> Yes. 1737 02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:50,280 Um, 1738 02:32:50,761 --> 02:33:00,960 [clears throat] can we confirm that those kind of uh 1739 02:32:57,680 --> 02:33:06,160 improvements in water would not be our decision to make and in fact dredging 1740 02:33:03,359 --> 02:33:10,640 isn't really allowed anymore. >> Um, CAO, I know there's three requests 1741 02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:15,200 there. Concrete ramp extensions, dredging, launch basins, lowwater market 1742 02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:19,680 signage. We could ask staff to get back to us on on that information or would 1743 02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:23,280 you like to try to? [laughter] >> No, I'm happy for staff to get back to 1744 02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:27,520 us. [clears throat] I guess if I could add one question and also if if we 1745 02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:34,880 dredged, wouldn't it just fill up with silt all over again? So, I know this is 1746 02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:38,960 a a problem all over the Shushwap and um other boat launches have had to close. 1747 02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:46,000 So um it would be good to have clarity around this answer without making any uh 1748 02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:49,920 suggesting in what a way am I prepared to move ahead on this. I just think we 1749 02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:54,160 as a community we need to understand what the regulations around that kind of 1750 02:33:51,840 --> 02:34:02,560 work is. Would you like to craft a motion to staff walls Richmond or uh 1751 02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:08,800 that council uh refer this letter to staff to get clarification around our 1752 02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:16,560 jurisdiction in terms of uh boat rent boat launch improvements and um dredging 1753 02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:20,640 and building in the lake. >> Okay. Thank you. Second to that motion. 1754 02:34:18,319 --> 02:34:23,760 Councelor Cannon. Thank you. You wish to speak to your motion? Uh, no. I already 1755 02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:28,160 did. Thank you. >> Okay. Are there other speakers to the 1756 02:34:25,359 --> 02:34:33,359 motion? Okay. I I appreciate the motion. The one 1757 02:34:30,080 --> 02:34:38,000 piece of the motion that I think I'll be especially interested in is the concrete 1758 02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:46,319 ramp extensions because that could be if we can if we're 1759 02:34:42,080 --> 02:34:53,040 permitted to do it um could be a way to extend the use of the boat launch at uh 1760 02:34:51,200 --> 02:34:58,160 Marine Park because I know that's one of the problems. So, look forward to 1761 02:34:55,520 --> 02:35:01,840 hearing back from staff on that. Any other comments on the motion? Uh, 1762 02:35:00,560 --> 02:35:07,439 councelor Lingren. Yes. >> Yes. Uh, I just find it ironic that this 1763 02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:11,280 uh request or this letter came up on the same day that we're talking about 1764 02:35:08,720 --> 02:35:16,399 climate change and a climate resiliency plan because part of the reason that the 1765 02:35:14,319 --> 02:35:19,439 lake is lower every year is due to climate change. We're in drought 1766 02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:24,399 conditions and they're getting worse all the time. and the idea that we have to 1767 02:35:21,439 --> 02:35:30,479 do anything um to make it easier for people to take their fossil fuel burning 1768 02:35:27,359 --> 02:35:35,359 toys out on the lake uh while that's happening. It seems a bit tonedeaf. So, 1769 02:35:33,520 --> 02:35:41,120 I I wouldn't be in favor of extending them uh the the boat launches. I think 1770 02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:44,800 that we need to be more cognizant of the effect that we're having when we do 1771 02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:48,800 these types of activities. >> Thank you, Councelor Lingren. Is there 1772 02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:52,880 any other speakers to the motion? I will call a question on the motion. 1773 02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:57,920 All those in favor? Any opposed? 1774 02:35:55,200 --> 02:36:01,600 Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Um, any other items? Councelor Wallace 1775 02:35:59,920 --> 02:36:05,479 Richmond, please go ahead. >> On the 14.1.10 1776 02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:15,120 is both a compliment on the soontobe complete roundabout, but also a concern 1777 02:36:11,840 --> 02:36:19,920 around use of staff time. I think it's important that the letter writer 1778 02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:26,880 understand that these were contracts agreed to without overages and it's 1779 02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:32,800 really um important that we recognize um that a biz was bid was placed and 1780 02:36:29,359 --> 02:36:38,240 accepted and how they manage their staff is purely a private matter for them to 1781 02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:43,520 deal with. So I don't think any comment in this case would be appropriate. 1782 02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:49,680 Thank you, Councelor Walter. And we we will let um Miss Vander Clark know um th 1783 02:36:47,680 --> 02:36:54,399 those uh those facts. Appreciate her input because this is an opportunity to 1784 02:36:51,760 --> 02:37:00,000 to uh educate. Right. So, thank you very much for that. Is there any other um 1785 02:36:57,359 --> 02:37:06,160 pieces of information that uh council may wish to bring up at this time? 1786 02:37:03,120 --> 02:37:12,399 Councelor Lavy, please go ahead. >> Yeah, thanks for worship. Uh so 14.1.3 1787 02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:16,800 um I think we'll be doing social media. We have done social media stuff but a 1788 02:37:14,479 --> 02:37:20,560 note to everybody there's a candidate information session if you're thinking 1789 02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:24,720 of running for local government. It's this coming Wednesday two days from now 1790 02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:29,120 5:00 pm council chambers and there's a way of attending virtually. Thank you. 1791 02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:37,120 » Thank you very much councelor Labry. Thank you for uh for your advocacy of 1792 02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:42,880 towards people learning all about it. Okay, I see no other uh um 1793 02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:47,200 interest in any of the other items there. So, we'll go to council 1794 02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:51,040 statements. Does any counselor have a statement they would like to make? 1795 02:37:48,960 --> 02:37:56,399 Councelor Cannon, please go ahead. >> I'm just going to get to my statement. 1796 02:37:53,920 --> 02:38:02,720 Okay. Um, I received a letter a few days ago from 1797 02:37:59,680 --> 02:38:07,760 the vice president of the tennis salmon arm tennis club and she was just 1798 02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:15,280 thanking on behalf of the Salmon Arm tennis club 1799 02:38:10,479 --> 02:38:22,800 uh of the 55 plus legacy funds that we gave the tennis club for to upgrade 1800 02:38:18,640 --> 02:38:28,640 their uh outdoor Wi-Fi system in the facility. So, she was they were very 1801 02:38:25,600 --> 02:38:32,560 appreciative and it is all done. So, she just sent a thank you letter on behalf 1802 02:38:30,640 --> 02:38:37,359 of the tennis club. So, I just wanted to pass that along. 1803 02:38:35,200 --> 02:38:40,960 » Thank you, councelor Cannon. And you've probably seen they've been pouring the 1804 02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:45,920 uh foundation for the lights. >> I know at the synthetic field, which is 1805 02:38:44,399 --> 02:38:50,640 also part of that legacy. >> Yeah, the legacy funds paying for a 1806 02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:56,160 portion of the lighting in the synthetic field. So, it was pretty exciting that 1807 02:38:52,800 --> 02:39:00,800 the the cement is poured and it's hopefully soon we'll have spent all our 1808 02:38:58,240 --> 02:39:04,000 money cuz it's sitting there. So, exciting times. 1809 02:39:02,240 --> 02:39:06,240 » Thank you, councelor Cannon. Councelor Lingren, 1810 02:39:04,960 --> 02:39:11,040 » thanks worship. [snorts] I just wanted to say thank you to councelor Lavy for 1811 02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:15,280 um not being able to attend his sir meeting last Friday because that meant I 1812 02:39:13,439 --> 02:39:20,319 got to go and it was really interesting the sterile insect re release. I I know 1813 02:39:18,640 --> 02:39:24,640 I always ask questions about this and why is this important and how does this 1814 02:39:21,920 --> 02:39:28,319 work uh at budget time? I think probably most of the last seven years I've asked 1815 02:39:26,560 --> 02:39:35,120 that question and now I understand a lot better how it works and uh why it's 1816 02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:40,160 important and it's an amazing um uh venture that they've got going there 1817 02:39:36,640 --> 02:39:44,560 with like 60some staff and it's it's really incredible what they're doing and 1818 02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:47,840 it's a cutting edge technology. So, it was really exciting to be there and uh a 1819 02:39:46,560 --> 02:39:51,040 lot of the information was over my head, but if I get to go again in the next 1820 02:39:49,439 --> 02:39:56,240 couple months, uh I'll probably understand more of it. So, thanks. 1821 02:39:53,600 --> 02:40:00,960 » Thank you, Councelor Lingren. I know you have the same enthusiasm that councelor 1822 02:39:58,240 --> 02:40:05,680 Flynn and councelor Lavy have for that uh sir. So, there you go. We'll have to 1823 02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:08,720 get more people to visit those meetings. So, thank you for attending. Councelor 1824 02:40:07,840 --> 02:40:15,600 Wallace Richmond. >> Yeah, just a word about UBCM quickly on 1825 02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:20,960 its way. held in Vancouver 13 to the 18th. Um 1826 02:40:18,240 --> 02:40:27,920 while my term on the UBCM board is coming to a close, uh I did want to 1827 02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:32,960 remind council and the community at large that the resolution book is out. 1828 02:40:29,760 --> 02:40:40,399 Uh so um it's time to get your homework done. Take a look, see um where that 1829 02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:45,040 sits with you and um looking forward to a resolution session at UBCM which will 1830 02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:50,000 be a little bit different this year because it only deals with matters 1831 02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:55,520 related to the province at large, not specific regions which will then fall to 1832 02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:58,319 our area associations like Silka. So looking forward to it. 1833 02:40:56,560 --> 02:41:03,760 » Great. Thank you very much for that. And we're expecting to hear um from the 1834 02:41:00,960 --> 02:41:08,319 ministries shortly now about any meetings that we might uh um have been 1835 02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:12,880 able to arrange. So our corporate officer will be keeping us um informed 1836 02:41:10,960 --> 02:41:19,120 of that. Thank you for your work with UBCM Council Wallace Richmond. 1837 02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:23,600 I'll just uh let you know and I think most of you were aware not all were able 1838 02:41:20,800 --> 02:41:29,920 to attend uh our visit with uh um our sister city friends from Inishki. um 1839 02:41:26,479 --> 02:41:36,080 council walls and I were here uh in the council chamber last Tuesday 1840 02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:40,720 um when they uh sister city representatives were here 1841 02:41:38,640 --> 02:41:44,479 and as most of you know part of that is that each of the students and there's 1842 02:41:42,319 --> 02:41:50,240 eight of them this year much smaller group had their opportunity to come and 1843 02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:56,080 speak to us uh in English on um without uh any translation and they were 1844 02:41:53,120 --> 02:42:02,000 amazing. I think I think the best I've seen. They were so well practiced and uh 1845 02:42:00,319 --> 02:42:07,680 they were seated. It was quite it was quite an a warm morning because they 1846 02:42:03,920 --> 02:42:12,080 were seated with their uh with their um homeay uh student um and some of the 1847 02:42:10,640 --> 02:42:15,200 families were here as well and you could just sort of see them just getting to 1848 02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:19,920 know each other and cheering each other on. I know they had uh three really good 1849 02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:24,399 days camping out at Harold Park. Um, as you know, we we certainly uh um scaled 1850 02:42:22,800 --> 02:42:29,200 back the numbers and the activities. So, instead of a house boat, it was a tenth. 1851 02:42:26,319 --> 02:42:33,680 Um, but it was very Canadian and I heard it went very well. um had opportunity to 1852 02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:40,880 meet uh with the mayor and with the consulate uh general from uh um from 1853 02:42:37,280 --> 02:42:48,720 Vancouver and uh you know the goodwill that that um that brings about um which 1854 02:42:45,040 --> 02:42:54,000 is was demonstrated by the uh interpreter who's a Karen de Breeze a 1855 02:42:51,600 --> 02:42:58,080 student who exchanged and I went lived in Japan and has come back. It's kind of 1856 02:42:55,920 --> 02:43:02,640 the changing the guard where the um the teacher the new teachers are taking over 1857 02:42:59,760 --> 02:43:08,640 and the younger interpreters. So I see I see a good uh a good um future for that 1858 02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:14,960 program. Very very enjoyable and uh very worthwhile. 1859 02:43:10,479 --> 02:43:18,720 Any other um council statements? Seeing none, um as you know that our 1860 02:43:16,960 --> 02:43:25,120 question period has been suspended temporarily until after our election. So 1861 02:43:22,399 --> 02:43:28,720 um I will recess this meeting. Thank you, Councelor Cannon, for chairing the 1862 02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:33,120 evening meeting. As you know, I'm not able to be there this evening. Thank you 1863 02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:38,080 to all of council for your input today. We dealt with some very interesting and 1864 02:43:35,760 --> 02:43:41,920 uh challenging issues and I think we did it very professionally. Thank you and 1865 02:43:39,760 --> 02:43:44,920 respectfully and thank you to staff as well. 1866 02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:52,359 » This conference will now be recorded 1867 02:46:52,160 --> 02:46:55,160 Could 1868 02:46:59,359 --> 02:47:03,240 we do a sound check, please? 1869 02:49:43,040 --> 02:49:51,240 Can you hear us now, Tim? >> I I can, Deputy Mayor. Thank you. 1870 02:49:57,840 --> 02:50:05,359 hear any of the opening statements? >> Um, no, but I I understand the file, so 1871 02:50:04,319 --> 02:50:07,200 I'm >> comfortable with us moving on. Thank 1872 02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:12,880 you. >> Okay, so we'll move on to planning to 1873 02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:17,439 finish. >> Um, yes, thank you. Um while we 1874 02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:25,359 recognize that the improvements are insignificant uh not insignificant sorry 1875 02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:29,359 uh due to the uh um double frontage um we would not recommend staff are not 1876 02:50:27,359 --> 02:50:34,880 recommending that council wave the requirements. Um our alter staff's 1877 02:50:32,240 --> 02:50:39,200 alternative alternative recommendation however is consistent with motion that 1878 02:50:36,720 --> 02:50:43,520 council passed at the that the committee passed at the development planning 1879 02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:47,520 services committee meeting. If council has any questions of of 1880 02:50:45,760 --> 02:50:51,600 staff, we will try to answer them for you. 1881 02:50:49,439 --> 02:50:57,760 » Okay. And I'll just mentioned that we did get a late item 22.1. 1882 02:50:56,000 --> 02:51:02,720 Does everyone have a copy of that? I think it came in an email 1883 02:51:01,600 --> 02:51:05,920 » from the engineer. >> From the engineer. 1884 02:51:03,920 --> 02:51:10,760 » Oh. [clears throat] Oh, yes. 1885 02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:10,760 Okay. 1886 02:51:16,720 --> 02:51:22,120 Does any counselors have any? 1887 02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:29,399 We don't have anyone here or online that would like to speak. 1888 02:51:31,600 --> 02:51:38,680 So I'll call the first time. Would anyone like to speak on this matter? 1889 02:51:38,880 --> 02:51:47,720 Calling a second time for submissions from the gallery or online. 1890 02:51:48,960 --> 02:51:53,960 Calling a third and final time. 1891 02:51:54,720 --> 02:52:04,840 Seeing and hearing. No one wants to speak. So we will close 1892 02:52:01,120 --> 02:52:04,840 this hearing. 1893 02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:14,040 And now we'll move on to the variance that's in front of us. 1894 02:52:18,960 --> 02:52:23,920 Councelor Wallace Richmond, 1895 02:52:22,960 --> 02:52:31,359 » what do I [clears throat] have to do to get your light to go on? Just 1896 02:52:27,920 --> 02:52:37,760 » um thanks your worship. Um and through you uh 1897 02:52:34,479 --> 02:52:45,200 did we want to move the original motion or the alternative? 1898 02:52:41,600 --> 02:52:50,319 » I would ask our CEO. >> My recommendation your worship is to 1899 02:52:47,359 --> 02:52:55,279 move the motion um as indicated in the staff report and then um make an 1900 02:52:52,800 --> 02:52:58,720 amendment similar to what you did at um the planning meeting. 1901 02:52:56,160 --> 02:53:05,920 » Okay. So then uh in that case I worship I would move uh the original motion 1902 02:53:04,000 --> 02:53:09,920 » the original motion or the staff recommendation. 1903 02:53:06,800 --> 02:53:14,399 » We move the original motion and if it's seconded I might uh make an 1904 02:53:13,120 --> 02:53:17,920 amendment. >> The original motion just for 1905 02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:22,720 clarification is the staff recommended motion. Oh in the report and then you 1906 02:53:20,720 --> 02:53:26,640 would do an amendment. >> Just wanting to make make sure that's 1907 02:53:24,720 --> 02:53:29,640 was your intent. Um 1908 02:53:30,399 --> 02:53:35,640 yeah well my intent is 1909 02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:48,000 well my interest here is to understand how we would go about um 1910 02:53:44,880 --> 02:53:55,200 advocating for uh the alternative motion or the alternative suggested in the 1911 02:53:50,399 --> 02:53:59,359 report. the one that we uh discussed at development of planning. 1912 02:53:57,439 --> 02:54:05,359 » Thank you, your worship. I would still recommend going with the the motion that 1913 02:54:02,479 --> 02:54:10,960 was requested by the applicant and then modifying it to what you want. Okay. 1914 02:54:07,840 --> 02:54:13,120 » Which is is how you um navigated that at the planning meeting. 1915 02:54:11,760 --> 02:54:15,600 » Okay. >> Okay. 1916 02:54:13,840 --> 02:54:20,080 » All right. So then we'll move the original motion. 1917 02:54:16,960 --> 02:54:24,200 » So councelor Wallace Richmond moves. Councelor Lingren seconds 1918 02:54:24,560 --> 02:54:28,160 » and then >> I'm just trying to get it on the floor. 1919 02:54:27,760 --> 02:54:33,120 » Yeah. >> Um 1920 02:54:30,000 --> 02:54:39,200 » so what I would say then speaking to the motion is understand the challenges with 1921 02:54:35,359 --> 02:54:45,120 double fronted properties um and the fact that this property is uh slightly 1922 02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:54,080 over what would qualify as infill. However, um I'm I'm interested in waving 1923 02:54:50,080 --> 02:54:58,960 that the sidewalk on 52nd, which was uh the amendment we made um at planning. 1924 02:54:57,279 --> 02:55:05,200 So, would now be a good time to make that amendment? 1925 02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:11,800 » So, it's waving the the sidewalk uh but not the the shoulder widening. 1926 02:55:08,800 --> 02:55:11,800 Correct. 1927 02:55:13,120 --> 02:55:21,760 » Oh, okay. Sorry, the the motion that was passed at 1928 02:55:20,000 --> 02:55:27,200 um committee >> is essentially item one only on the 1929 02:55:26,880 --> 02:55:30,960 » So, >> oh, sorry. Curb and gutter. My my 1930 02:55:28,880 --> 02:55:35,600 apologies. Curb and gutter. Sorry. Yeah. To remove item one 1931 02:55:33,279 --> 02:55:39,439 » would be my amendment >> to see if 1932 02:55:37,279 --> 02:55:44,399 » to leave that one in and remove the other four. So that would be the only 1933 02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:46,240 » only wave curve and gutter. Yes. Okay. Thank you. 1934 02:55:45,200 --> 02:55:49,920 » Of number one. >> Yeah. 1935 02:55:47,279 --> 02:55:57,080 » And two, three, four, five stay in the motion. Correct. 1936 02:55:52,560 --> 02:55:57,080 » No, those those would not be waved. 1937 02:55:58,080 --> 02:56:05,439 » Okay. Sorry for the confusion. To clarify my motion, the amendment I would 1938 02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:10,240 make is that we only wave curb and gutter on 52nd, 1939 02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:14,160 which would eliminate 2, three, four, and five from the motion on the table at 1940 02:56:12,560 --> 02:56:18,560 this time. >> Okay. 1941 02:56:15,920 --> 02:56:19,920 » And we have uh councelor Lind, do you second that? 1942 02:56:19,600 --> 02:56:27,760 » Okay. >> Okay. And so again, uh the logic being 1943 02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:32,240 for the amendment is while I understand the challenge of double fronted 1944 02:56:29,279 --> 02:56:39,439 property, um there could be a maximum of four units 1945 02:56:35,200 --> 02:56:46,800 of four um four lots with four units each at 16 lots. Um 1946 02:56:44,800 --> 02:56:53,840 typically you wouldn't get 16 lots on a single fronted property. Um, so I feel 1947 02:56:49,920 --> 02:57:00,560 like it is reasonable if um 52nd Street Northeast doesn't have any sidewalks, it 1948 02:56:56,960 --> 02:57:06,319 might need some ditching. So uh at at one point so and my assumption is and 1949 02:57:03,920 --> 02:57:10,479 through you maybe I can check with staff is that we would have a we have a right 1950 02:57:08,399 --> 02:57:16,080 of way to do that already. Do we not? Or do we have to get it if we need if and 1951 02:57:13,760 --> 02:57:20,319 when we need to ditch 50 seconds. >> Okay, chair. I believe that there are 1952 02:57:18,240 --> 02:57:23,200 some small road widening requirements, but those were not asked to be waved. 1953 02:57:22,399 --> 02:57:26,479 » Okay. All right. >> They're they're they're small in nature, 1954 02:57:24,960 --> 02:57:30,800 but they're they're not subject to the variance request. 1955 02:57:27,439 --> 02:57:36,479 » Okay. Perfect. So, as long as doing this uh agreeing to this being waved wouldn't 1956 02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:42,880 restrict the ability to ditch at a future point in time based on that canoe 1957 02:57:38,640 --> 02:57:47,840 overflow water plan. So, okay. >> So, that would be my motion to amend. 1958 02:57:46,560 --> 02:57:52,399 Okay. >> And my rationale for it. 1959 02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:55,120 » And would you like to speak to the motion that's been amended? Councelor 1960 02:57:54,319 --> 02:57:58,120 Linger. >> Sure. 1961 02:57:58,880 --> 02:58:07,120 » Thanks, uh, your acting worship. Um, just wanted to clarify this lot has been 1962 02:58:05,040 --> 02:58:12,479 proposed to be divided into four lots, not 16, but could have 16 units. So 1963 02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:17,760 there could be four um single family homes each having a suite and an ADU 1964 02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:22,240 with a suite or something along those lines. So that does um push them up to a 1965 02:58:20,160 --> 02:58:26,800 pretty high standard I think. And I'm fully in support of waving the curb and 1966 02:58:24,720 --> 02:58:32,960 gutter on 52nd for the rationale given by staff um but none of the others. So I 1967 02:58:29,439 --> 02:58:38,200 support the amendment. Okay. 1968 02:58:34,240 --> 02:58:38,200 » Any other speakers? 1969 02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:47,040 Seeing none, I'm going to call the motion as amended. 1970 02:58:45,040 --> 02:58:51,920 » The amendment of the motion first. >> Yeah. Vote on the amendment. 1971 02:58:49,439 --> 02:58:57,600 » All in favor of the amendment. That passes unanimously. 1972 02:58:54,880 --> 02:59:02,479 Now we will vote on the motion as amended. 1973 02:59:00,160 --> 02:59:06,960 All in favor? Oh, just that councelor Labry. 1974 02:59:04,479 --> 02:59:11,200 » Uh, yes. Thanks. I I I'm in support of the motion as amended. I just wanted uh 1975 02:59:09,040 --> 02:59:15,520 especially for the applicants to note that while I was not at planning, I 1976 02:59:13,520 --> 02:59:21,359 reviewed the documents, reviewed the recording and know uh know the property. 1977 02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:25,120 So I will support what's in front of us. Thank you. 1978 02:59:22,640 --> 02:59:33,520 » Thank you councelor Lavy. So we will call the the question on the 1979 02:59:28,960 --> 02:59:37,160 motion as amended. All in favor? That passes unanimously. 1980 02:59:37,359 --> 02:59:44,319 Okay, moving on to 1981 02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:51,120 we don't have anything else on the agenda and our question and answer 1982 02:59:47,279 --> 02:59:58,000 period has been suspended temporarily. So we are adjourned. 1983 02:59:54,960 --> 02:59:58,000 Thank you.