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And this is the Light Oak Creek Community Center. Many of them are youngsters that are either an elementary school or a middle school, and we're very, very proud of you. We have a list of individuals, Julio Soto, 12 years old. He won the Silver Medal Award at the Taikwondo National Championship here at Kelstay, San Bernardino, and we're very proud of these youngsters in our community.

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So I'll call out their name, and they receive a certificate, and we're very proud of you.

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First one goes to Julio Soto, second one to Nellie Soto, Hissus Edevia,

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Harageli Contreras, Joseph Jones, Jonathan Sanchez, Edwin Rees, David Rees, Naili Diaz,

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Caesar Veldez, and we are very, very proud of these youngsters.

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Let's give them a hand.

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Also, I would like to read a resolution of the Maryland Common Council

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Committee, the leader of this group who for whatever purpose, and I was just informed

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just recently that he was unable to be here, Master Ramal Dunbar, who is the leader of

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the United Brazilians, Jiu-Jitsu, MMA Fitness Club.

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He is the owner and instructor, and we're very grateful for his leadership, dedication,

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and coaching abilities of these youngsters.

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I'd like to read a few of the warehouses, whereas Master Romell, Dunbar, as over 40 years

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of experience in the martial arts, and is the only certified Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black

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Belt in the Illinois Empire.

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Master Romell, Dunbar, is a three-time Pacific Taikwondo National Champion.

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He is a coach of the National International Champions, a fifth-degree Black Belt and Taikwondo,

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a third-degree Black Belt and both Brazilian and Japanese Jiu-Jitsu.

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and he is also a Brazilian jujitsu referee under Carlson Gracie.

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And whereas Master Ramel Dunbar currently teaches in trains,

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it has three United Brazilian jujitsu schools located here in southern California.

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We are now there for be it resolved on this occasion

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and an appreciation of his leadership, coaching, abilities,

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dedication and impressive contribution to the city of San Bernardino.

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And in its citizens, we on behalf of the mayor and common council

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of the city of San Bernardino, do enjoy and command Master Remeld Dunbart.

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And I'm going to ask Julio to please come and accept this award on behalf of this

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Mayor and Common Council.

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Congratulations, kids.

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You did a great job.

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This class in fitness and in the art of Jiu Jitsu gives testimony, Mr. Bolivia, to the wonderful

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activities that are taking place in the Laddle Creek Center.

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That center clearly is being utilized by the neighborhood, the family and friends around

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the park, and in your ward, and I appreciate your stepping forward to honor those who have

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made the most of that asset.

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Thank you very much,

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sir.

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With that, let's call, forward our Chamber of Representatives, the President of the Board,

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Jim Gerson-Slogger, for civic announcements for the month of September and October.

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Thank you Mayor Common Council. On Saturday, September of the 22nd, the San Bernardino

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Symphony Symphony Orchestra presents Russian Rolead, the presentation will be held at the

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At least that's the way they said the pronunciation, I'm not sure.

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On Tuesday, September 25th, Sandbag is hosting a Redlands passenger rail project public

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scoping meeting.

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The meeting will be held at the University Room at December, Nina Hilton, from 537-30pm.

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Team members will present the latest information on the proposed new passenger rail service

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between the City of San Bernardino and the University of Redlands for more information

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called A848276, the San Bernardino Area Chamber of Commerce Business after hours will be held

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on Thursday, September 27th hosted by Sportsco. Sportsco is located at 785 South Giford Avenue

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and the mixture will be from 5 to 7 pm to RSVP called the chamber at 885-7515.

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On Friday, September 28, the San Bernardino area chamber governmental affairs division is hosting a legislative breakfast featuring the 31st U.S. Congressional District Candidates.

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The breakfast will be held at Shannon Hills Golf Club at 7.30am.

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Meet the candidates here with what we can expect from them to do for our district

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and hear their thoughts on key business issues.

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Attendees will be able to express their concerns and have their questions answered

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for reservations called the Chamber at 885-7515.

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California native American Day will be held on Friday, September 28th at the Cal State

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University of San Bernardino campus starting at 6 p.m.

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The event is free and open to the public for more information call 537704.

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And finally, save the date on Friday, October 5th, the San Bernardino area chamber of

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Commerce and your golf tournament will be held at Shannon Hill's golf club.

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Shotgun started 12 noon, sponsorship opportunities are available to participate called the

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Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, appreciate you coming down every week to keep us up to date on activities in our city and beyond. Thank you very much.

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Let's turn now to the table and for announcements from the mayor and members of the Council and in case staff members,

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I'm going to start with a presentation of a formidable looking device.

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on the 16th of this month, the son of his paper,

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it was a really nice editorial piece about our city.

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Essentially, the city, in fact, is not bankrupt.

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In the sense that we have a host of our citizens

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who are engaged in projects to beautify our city,

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to help clean up our city, to create an environment

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as volunteers that make us all proud.

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And we appreciate that kind of positive editorial because we have, in the city, no bankruptcy, based upon the spirit of this place.

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I mentioned this some weeks ago, but my wife was working as a volunteer and a while apart,

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ask contributions from various medical providers if they would have available pick-up sticks.

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For people who want to clean up parks and work in parks, I'm offering, I'm not offering.

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They can pick up by calling our home the dozens that she's picked up from medical device providers.

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For people who want to walk down our median scripts while on their morning walk or in our parks to pick up debris and trash,

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even bend down and up straight and operate the pick-up stacks that they work beautifully.

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So just call 8-8-3-4-1-7-7 or home phone, 8-8-3-4-1-7-7 and get your pick-up stack and be a member of our voluntary crew to work in our parks and median sub for a cleaner for a beautify city.

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Let's then go to Mr. Jenkins.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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First, I want to wish my colleague

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from the first ward a speedy recovery.

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And thank you, Mayor, for pointing out

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that wonderful editorial by the Sammy and his son.

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I was very appreciative to see that editorial.

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It seemed like one newspaper praised our volunteers

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in another publication, attacked volunteers all one week.

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First, I want to thank the CVB, the state of brothers, the sponsors, volunteers, city employees,

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and the friends of the rendezvous for a wonderful Route 66.

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I was able to go both Friday and Saturday.

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My parents drove 200 miles to participate and just spend money.

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And I had a blast even though it was hot.

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So to all those who participated, especially to the friends of the rendezvous, who not only gave time and energy, but finances, thank you so much.

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I'm sure it'll bring a much needed boost to our revenue stream.

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As I always say, Tuesday is market night from 6 to 930.

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So tomorrow, September 18th is cold comfort.

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It's a blue-sponked R&B rock and then September 25th is Mexican culture night.

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I encourage everyone to go out, get those fresh produces, buy some of the jewelry there

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or the other goods and just enjoy the nice entertainment.

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Last week was the Wild Wild West and I really enjoyed the gun show, Wild Earth really showed

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them.

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And then I have a question for either the city manager or the city attorney.

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I've been feeling a lot of questions from the community and it has to deal with our retirees

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and the bankruptcy and how it impacts them.

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And there are a lot of speculation and rumors out there pertaining to purse.

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And I'd like to know if it's possible we can give them a quick update.

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Yes, we can. I'm not sure how reassuring it's going to be and there's a lot that we don't know.

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We've also been receiving a lot of questions, as I think all the elected officials have been.

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And one of the questions we're receiving from the retirees is whether or not their pensions could be changed as a result of bankruptcy.

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Perse, which is a public employees retirement system for the state of California, in which the city of San

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Milo has participated for many, many years, has taken the position that a bankruptcy does not affect the Perse retirements.

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However, some of the creditors have indicated that they intend to, at least there was an article in New York Times,

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that's stated that some of the creditors said they intend to challenge

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PERS in court on that position.

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If they challenge PERS, if that happens, and if they are successful, then

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and if assessed by the creditors would mean that the mayor and Council

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could make changes in existing retirement systems or programs.

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The mayor in Council would be the ones that have to make the decision as to what changes

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to make it any.

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But first, there's an obstacle that the creditors would have to overcome, and that obstacle

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is that they would have to get perished the change of position.

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We have had some conversation with person officials, and they have indicated that they are under

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pressure from the legislature to make some changes.

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So at this point, it's possible,

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and again, at this point, September 17, 1912.

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Excuse me, 2012, but back to the earlier days, there were hundreds of years.

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And as of this date and time, it seems unlikely that the retirements will be affected.

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But that could change depending on whether the creditors do, challenge purrs and whether

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and whatever the court's decisions are in regards to that challenge.

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the retirees will still be receiving their retirement checks, the retiree

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health benefits are a separate issue, that is something that can be changed in the bankruptcy

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process because bankruptcy is all about as we have been told, reforming contracts and

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the retiree health benefits are provided for in the memorandums of understanding between

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city in its various bargaining units.

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Separate from the city's contribution to employees' health plans is the issue of employees

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who went out on total disability and as part of their worker's concept settlement of their

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disability retirement receive a lifetime medical.

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There's only a relative view that have that I'm told.

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And those people are totally, well, they're totally, but they're disabled.

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Most of them are severely disabled to have the lifetime medical.

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Again, that's information has been provided to us.

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Those medical benefits, I'm told, are not subject to bankruptcy,

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because they were part of either a decision in a disability retirement proceeding

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or a worker's company, and say, should proceed.

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And offhand, I don't know of any other benefits that the retirees receive, the city

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manager might probably just have more information on that than I do, but those are the two

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that I've received the most questions about that are off.

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Office has been contacted about the most. So for right now, it's probably way to see that there's

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not going to be any immediate change to doesn't appear. So the retirement pensions being paid.

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And it doesn't appear that there's going to be any immediate change to the health benefits.

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But that could change as we get closer to dealing with a penalty plan and the decision whether or not to adopt a penalty plan.

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But just to make sure, let me check with the city manager to make sure that

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The pre-pandons are planned and have some language that might compromise those retiree health insurance benefits.

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There was nothing in the pre-pandons the plan.

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And this is a journey to cover the primary benefits that we perceive the most inquiries about.

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I think some of those inquiries are coming from the fact that in order to continue to meet our obligations,

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not only make payroll but also make sure employees have the resources and tools to at least provide basic levels of service in our community.

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There have been purge payments that we have not made and I'll go through those actually during my remarks and so I think that may be generating some of the concern with what will happen with Venice fits in the future

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Again because of that decision to defer those payments in addition to the pension obligation bonds, but we have deferred purge payments

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That's a very large month by monthly payment for us and so we deferred that to help us in meeting some of our other obligations

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They're getting letters from

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And the attorneys, that's why they're calling.

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I would also mention that retirees and employees have received the notifications, the written

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notifications, which the bankruptcy rules require, and they've all received that, which

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is a notification that the city has filed for chapter 9 proceeding, and they have a right

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to be involved in that process.

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Many of the employees and many of the retirees who contacted our office, so over 50 retirees

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alone we return calls to and we are providing information. Some of those people are represented

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by council through their bargaining units and some of them, some of the retirees, every

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tamed council and we always encourage people to go through their lawyers. However, the rules

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professional conduct of the state bar, permit litigants to contact attorneys who are public

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officials. And so we are returning the calls to give what information we can to the retirees

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and to the employees who call. You would be well advised to talk to your own attorneys

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is what we can tell you was limited but we do respond to those calls because we are allowed to do so as a public

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artist.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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I just am answering the measure.

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You don't have to give an update right now, but maybe at the next council meeting you can give

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the council update about negotiations and where we're at it with that.

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I actually do have an update today and I'll have a better information at the next

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council meeting but at least in update on where we are today.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I wanted to alert residents that on Saturday, September 22nd, had our local Wells Fargo Banks.

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Here in our city, go to the one at Highland and Del Rosa, the one at Highland and Arrowhead,

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or the one here downtown Maine on 3rd Street. All of our Wells Fargo's are conducting a hands-on banking.

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money skills you need for life. I certainly could probably use this, but anyhow, this is for children, ideally for kids, available in English or Spanish, and it's from the hours of 4.30 to 6.30, occurred residents to take advantage of that opportunity. Also, we have a career fair coming to San Bernardino, and that is put on by our very own Sabida.

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I've been working with the director there for some time now since about December, January,

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and I'm very glad to see that we are having a career fair here in our town.

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We'll be at the National Orange Show, gate number 9, pre-admission, free parking,

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and that is on October 4th.

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I believe it's a Thursday from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m.

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It's a career in entrepreneurship fair, so I encourage all of our job seekers to get out there,

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Get the haircut, get your shoe shine, and get it going here with a good resume and close a deal.

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Also, I wanted a alert residence just in general.

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I was at a development and review committee meeting on Thursday.

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I want to alert our residents that there is a proposed expansion

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and at the corner of baseline and watermen on the southeast corner of

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more low-income housing.

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So, residents, please be aware of that.

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It is coming to this city and we need to put a stop to it.

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If you disagree with that implementation in plan,

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be on the lookout.

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I will be doing voter alerts and residents alerts of that.

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And my ward, I'm making sure that I reach out with my peers here on this council

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to ensure that we block any more encroachments of low-income or low-income density proposed

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build up in our city.

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And finally, this week I have a very active week in the ward.

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I want to alert my residents.

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You can have the cup of coffee with me.

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You can come out and meet me all week.

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I'll be out in the ward.

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I will have field days almost every afternoon and evening on Tuesday, September 18th at García

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Elementary.

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So that's tomorrow night, corner of Randall and Meridian.

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I will be at García Elementary on Wednesday, night at 630.

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I will be at Kelly Elementary at the corner of Meridian in Poplar on Wednesday, September

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19th.

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Thursday, night's family night.

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So, Friday, September 21st, at the Sierra Vista Baptist Church, at the 2300

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a block of North Rancho. I'll be there at 630. And then also on Saturdays,

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September 22nd, at Oasis Poms, Mobile Home Park at 201 South Pennsylvania.

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I will be there at 9 a.m. The topic of discussion is issues in our ward. I want to alert you

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to some of the issues going on with what I have to deal with here at this Council Dias, including

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budget issues and fire and police and safety for our residents in the third

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ward. I want to meet you please come out and this will cap a good six months of

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maybe in sworn in and trying to be available to the residents in my ward.

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Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very much, Mr. Sherret. Thank you, Mayor. I too want to

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join Mr. Jenkins and congratulate the convention and visitors bureau that finally

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pulled that thing together under some very, very difficult circumstances and

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Obviously, difficult financial circumstances was the 23rd of the 21st of his or 23rd annual, I believe, 23rd, so it's important that we have a 24th, and I think we proved this year how the community coming together and working together can make pull something like that off and so hopefully now we've got a year to get ourselves back on track and maybe still pull that thing together and have a 24th annual boot 66.

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I was down here.

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Sorry, night, I thought Jim Morrison had a reason from the dead, the doors.

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They played a band played over a corchery square that I would have sworn it was Jim Morrison

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and the doors.

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They played for two solid hours and it was great.

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So anyway, congratulations, everybody.

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It was a good time, fun had by one and all.

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Then I want to announce the Del Rosa neighborhood action group, better known as Dr.

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Nang.

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They will have their regular scheduled meeting this Thursday, September 27th at 7 p.m.

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It's at the native sense of the Golden West, and that is the 2701 Del Rosa at the corner

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of date and date place and Del Rosa.

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Thursday night's speakers are at least scheduled to be Assistant County Sheriff Ron

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Cochrane and Deputy Chief Scott Mesa. They will be discussing Assembly Bill 109.

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That's the State's Public Safety Realignment Program and the early relish release of the prisoners

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that are coming back into our communities. Good time to be there and learn something and

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see how the sheriff's department's going to be dealing with, again that's, this Thursday,

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September 20th, 7 p.m. at the native son's, the corner of date place, and Del Rose

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Avenue.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you very much.

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Senator tonight, of course, we square when we had that cover band that looked like, sounded

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like, played like the doors.

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There were thousands of people crowded probably 30 deep all around the square.

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I think they all thought that Jim Morrison had come back to life.

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Thank you.

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Tonight I wanted to do a little bit of housekeeping.

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And I know that there was an incident out on the University Parkway that perhaps maybe our parks director

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of City Manager, can share with all that we have been discussing at length for months, if

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not a year and a half, about the conditions of our landscape maintenance districts and on

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university parkway with this incredible heat that we've had, it just seems that the entire

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stretch is dead, and I know that there's probably an explanation, can someone provide that

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force?

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Sure, and I appreciate you bringing that to our attention this afternoon or before the

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Council being a solar park instructor to have a chance to check with this staff and he is

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able to provide an update?

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All right.

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Thanks, Councilman.

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We were able to pull up on the issues surrounding the mediums over at University, but

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we can have to go there as a traffic accident, which actually did some damage, called some

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electrical outages as well as damage to the timer.

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Staff all last week have been working on some repair issues, and they pretty much indicated

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that they'll be ready to go with repairs, final repairs tomorrow morning, so we can get some

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water back to the area.

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That's excellent news. Thank you very much and keep up the good work. The

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in addition to that housekeeping item regarding our landscape maintenance

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districts, I know that I'm looking forward to hearing from our code enforcement

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department regarding how we're doing with those multiple classes that I have been

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talking about for several months now regarding the general

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appearance and condition of them. So looking forward for that report so we can

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with the residents and hopefully we can receive that soon. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Mr. Van Johnson. Thank you, Mayor. Thursday, September 20th, the ballot rehabilitation hospital

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will celebrate their 40th year anniversary in service to our community. The celebration will take

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place at 1760 with 16th Street starting at 4 o'clock in the year. On Saturday, September 22nd,

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The Boys and Girls Club will present Black College Fair Day at 11.80 West 9th Street, from 11.00 AM to 4.00 PM.

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Come out and meet Black College representative, students, and alumni, and learn about historic,

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free Black colleges, and universities. Also find out about how to attend a Black College Tour.

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Prices will be awarded throughout the day. On Wednesday, September 26th at 6.30 PM,

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the terrorist west neighborhood association with hold their meeting at nickel-cent community

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center, 2750 west second street.

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On Thursday, September 27th at 6 o'clock in the Mount Vernon neighborhood cluster association

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with hold their meeting at valid rehabilitation center.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I also want to thank the hundreds and hundreds of volunteers who give their time and talents all

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long to planning and then helping to run Route 66 for many years the volunteers have been

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the backbone of that organization. I am hoping that the Convention and Visitors Bureau

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is starting as of today hopefully in their briefing and the recap as to how to make Route 66

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a self-sufficient event because in years past that's what it was a self-sufficient event.

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And obviously public funding is scarce, and I know that if they start planning today, they

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can make that happen in downtown San Bernardino next year, hopefully at the same time with

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the same crowd, the same success, and the same participants.

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I want to mention community builders' neighborhood watch group meets every first Wednesday

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of the month.

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They need at the first Congressional Church at the Northeast corner of Sierra

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Way and 30th Street, and I've had a lot of calls recently.

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How to start up a neighborhood watch group.

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Frank Guzman is my police commissioner, but he's also an excellent neighborhood watch

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a group organizer, and he's done so all over town, he doesn't charge a dime, maybe he should,

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but he doesn't, and he's very successful at it, so if you would like to have more information

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about how to start a neighborhood watch for your group.

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The community builders neighborhood watch group would love to have you be in attendance at their meetings.

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It starts typically at I believe 630 PM and they will be glad to help you get one started.

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I also wanted to offer up the set of condolences from Mayor and Common Council and everyone here at City Hall to Sharon Gray.

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Andy Gray passed away at St. Bernardine's hospital on Tuesday's September

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element. He was born at St. Bernardine's in 1948. He lived through all of his

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life. He was married to his wife. I think I heard her say for 49 years, which is

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the feet in and of itself. Andy was passionate about music and life, and it

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inspired him to the very end, he was born again Christian and felt very strongly about

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his faith, and he believed it or not back in the late 60s as a

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A very young man was instrumental in bringing some of the famous acts of the swing auditorium. One of them I heard mentioned was Jackson 5 and there were some others I didn't get, I couldn't make notes fast enough, but I will tell you that he was a musical actor producer at the very young age of, if I remember correctly, 17 years of age, and to the great family who still lives on Arrowhead Avenue, Andy will be greatly missed.

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for his service to this community, Sharon Wheat, we are thinking about you.

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Since 1984, as far back as I can track, which was the memorial, the memorial's birth

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of fallen firefighters, 154 firefighters have been honored at an event in Colorado Springs,

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Colorado, and the last event was on Saturday, this past Saturday,

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and at that event was

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being, was honored one of our own fallen firefighters. This is Get Presby. I ran into Mrs.

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Presby. I thought it was important to let her know how grateful we are to her family for offering

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up your husband, in his service to this community. I'll read you just a very short,

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synopsis, very short about Dave Presky. He was a valued firefighter, strong family man.

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He served San Bernardino fire department for over 29 years and was known for his hard work,

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organization, sharp intelligence and attention to detail. He had a passion to teach young

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people about the fire service and the importance of becoming trustworthy and responsible adults.

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He loves spending time with his family and friends.

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He enjoyed golfing, hiking, camping, snow skiing, and cruising on his motorcycle.

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And his life was cut short, unfortunately,

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from complications of job-related, the suffigial cancer.

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I want to give you a couple of facts since the event just happened this past weekend.

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Mrs. Creskey called me and said,

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I was at the event. It was wonderful.

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I want you to know that my husband's memory was honored in a very wonderful way

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which it was, but those 154 firefighters that were honored nationally did not include those

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lost in 9-11, according to the research that I've done.

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Or any loss due to any of the complications from fighting the fire or rescuing from the

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in the past three and a half years. Many due to throat cancer and other firefighting complications,

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or at least on-set illnesses. Approximately 76% of the 154 firefighters lost their lives

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before the age of 55. This is Kreski. Thank you very much. I greatly appreciate you being here.

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Dave's memory will never be forgotten.

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I for one was grateful to know of his service to this community and he was a very well-respected

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firefighter.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Councilmember.

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I have a mechanic.

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Is it on?

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Yes, it is.

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I also want to give a thanks to the fire department for honoring my husband this weekend and in

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the past of the couple events.

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I appreciate it so much and you've also supported our family, myself and our family so much

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last year and I appreciate it. Thank you. We're honored.

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Thank you, Mayor. Thank you.

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Mr. Pemba.

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I'm sorry.

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Sorry about that. I would be neglectful if I did not mention

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that legal aid societies as Samordans, you know, is celebrating 50 years helping those in need

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obtain justice. And it is an RSPP event. If you need more information, it is being held on Thursday,

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September 27th at 530 p.m. It is invitation only. So the phone number to call is 663-4015

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to see if you can help in any way other than attending including donations. The legal

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aid society of San Bernardino has been very instrumental in helping grandparents and other

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relatives, non-parents, get guardianship of children whose parents have had unfortunate circumstances,

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get them the guardianship that they need to get the proper education, the proper medical care, and in

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some cases spousal abuse victims getting the restraining orders that they need preventing them from

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additional spousal abuse. So I am grateful to the Legal Aid Society for the work that they do in this community,

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and anything that the community can do to support them and help them, they would be extremely

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and internally grateful. Thank you, Matt.

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Thank you very much.

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I was dependent on any comments.

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Yes, sir.

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I just want to mention that the Fortress Accord of Appeals in the Solace Council meeting received

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a decision on the closure of some of the marijuana dispensaries in Riverside and Samuel

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County.

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Those were cases that started before the case was taken by the California Supreme Court.

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So they don't have an immediate impact.

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However, the appellate court interestingly chose to make their decisions despite the fact that the issue that was involved

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is still pending before the Supreme Court.

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So, using the flassey, if there's enough of the pellet cord, it's good enough for the city of San Bernardino,

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we are putting together requests for injunctions on all of the marijuana dispensaries of the city,

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which we intend to file.

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We anticipate, however, that the trial courts will stay those cases without acting on them until after the California Supreme Court

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as made its decision in the upland case, which is pending at the Supreme Court.

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Once the decision on the California Supreme Court is made, if it is on the side

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of the cities, we will be ready to proceed in court with those injunctions.

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But don't get your hopes up, those of you who want the place is closed immediately because

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That barring the outside law enforcement agency coming in outside of the state of California and acting, we don't have the authority to close them down right now.

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Mr. Wood, thank you very much.

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Just one quick question.

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Will they be going after the operator for the property owners or both?

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No matter what comes down from, I mean, that's what's being educated in the Supreme Court.

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We would be seeking an injunction against

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not one of the operator of the property.

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The operator of the business almost all of which

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probably all of them are located on private property

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being leased, but also the property owners.

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Because if the property owners are willing to lease

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their property to people to run marijuana

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dispensaries, shutting one down,

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might only result in another movie

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the end of the same property. So we're going after both. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you very much.

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Madam City Manager. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Council. A couple of weeks ago I did provide to you a report on the

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city's cash flow position. I plan to provide that at every council meeting and then also not only provide that

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written form to the council, but we'll begin posting this on the city's website and I actually had intended to do that

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and apologize it was not there. So residents can't look forward to that being on the website so they can see

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least every other week and we're working to try to get that done on a weekly basis.

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On September 13th, 2012, the Cs overall cash was $18.5 million, and the Cs general

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fund negative cash balance with $17.4 million, this does represent an increasing cash

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from July 31st, 2012.

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This is primarily due to the deferral of currently due obligations, which total about $18.5

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million, including payments that are due to bondholders, or cow purse payments, payments

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Unfortunately to our trade vendors, people who are providing goods and services to the city,

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our prior litigation costs, and then employee leave bank cashouts.

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This deferral of expenses that have indicated before has been necessary in order for us to

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be able to meet our more basic needs.

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We have began working with all of our employee groups.

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As the council is aware, there have been changes to civil service rules and changes to

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00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:24,190
cash out balance payback systems, and we've had to go through the meeting for process on those.

433
00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:29,050
As we have begun those discussions, though, we have had a chance to meet with three of

434
00:39:29,050 --> 00:39:33,630
the bargaining units, one declines to meet, two did not request to meet, and we have one

435
00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:34,330
currently scheduled.

436
00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:38,970
But as we've had those discussions, I have been some issues that have been raised that we

437
00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:42,990
will be providing further clarification to the groups, so that as we begin to negotiate

438
00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:46,870
changes to our compensation packages, they have better information than maybe they felt

439
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:52,770
they've had in the past. As the council heard from the city attorney a few moments ago,

440
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:56,970
our employees, retirees and creditors, have received the required notices of the city's

441
00:39:56,970 --> 00:40:01,890
filed bankruptcy, and certainly that has increased an only call volume in the city attorney's

442
00:40:01,890 --> 00:40:07,250
office. I'm well sure, well aware of the call increased to the council office, to the city

443
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:11,830
managers office and various others, because that has led to a significant number of questions,

444
00:40:11,970 --> 00:40:16,770
but those notices are required and have been made in compliance with the law. And

445
00:40:16,770 --> 00:40:18,790
are really intended to notify those individuals

446
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:20,230
at the bankruptcy process.

447
00:40:20,970 --> 00:40:24,170
We do have a negotiator on board.

448
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:25,290
She has started.

449
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:27,590
She's starting going through the voluminous records

450
00:40:27,590 --> 00:40:28,130
and things.

451
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:31,250
I did receive a request for a copy of all of our pay steps

452
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:32,110
from the City Council.

453
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:33,290
I'll provide that to everyone.

454
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:36,310
Because there have been a whole series of questions raised

455
00:40:36,830 --> 00:40:39,170
about the way concessions have been taken

456
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:40,910
from the different sides of the paycheck.

457
00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:43,010
And so we're attempting to get that information

458
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:44,550
and because many of the bargaining groups

459
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:46,330
have indicated that that would be important to them

460
00:40:46,330 --> 00:40:49,890
to understand what the different impacts of into the groups and I think it's critical for

461
00:40:49,890 --> 00:40:51,210
the Council's whereal as well.

462
00:40:51,830 --> 00:40:55,870
So the negotiators assisting our finance people and putting that together so the Council has

463
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:59,390
that, but more importantly, our bargaining groups have that and again, I think that will help

464
00:40:59,390 --> 00:41:00,970
with the discussions as we move forward.

465
00:41:01,710 --> 00:41:06,690
As you can imagine, the number of public requests to the Clerk's Office, the City Attorney's

466
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:11,490
Office and the various departments of the city has increased dramatically as people are attempting

467
00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:15,530
to gain information as they can respond to their concerns related to the bankruptcy.

468
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:22,130
I believe that we've had 170 public records after a question to July 1st of 2012, and this

469
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:27,130
is compared to 380 in the prior year, so for the whole year, so I'm sure that this

470
00:41:27,130 --> 00:41:31,690
is due in part to the bankruptcy and the fact that people have a need for increased information.

471
00:41:32,570 --> 00:41:37,550
I'm civil service, based on the Council's action a week ago, civil services focused on

472
00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:41,890
processing the layoffs, certainly that has led to a whole host of questions from our employees

473
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:45,390
about their specific rights, where tempting to respond to those as quickly as possible.

474
00:41:45,850 --> 00:41:50,390
And are also trying to assist employees with very services related to out placements.

475
00:41:50,430 --> 00:41:54,730
Sabita has been a tremendous assistance to us in providing information to employees and

476
00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:59,170
we're hoping that EDD and other agencies can provide greater assistance to our employees in

477
00:41:59,170 --> 00:41:59,410
the future.

478
00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:03,490
We have invited them to meetings and we'll continue to hold their feet to the fire and it

479
00:42:03,490 --> 00:42:06,250
gets important that they're there to help our employees understand what their benefit

480
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:12,430
opportunities are. As the Council is aware, we have a whole host of grantors, state

481
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:18,990
parks department and CDBG, both federal and state grantors that have asked questions to determine

482
00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:22,830
whether or not our grant funds are being utilized in accordance with the law. Some of this

483
00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:27,350
is related to the use of some of the restricted funds. Some of this is just their concerns about

484
00:42:27,350 --> 00:42:31,650
the fact that we filed bankruptcy. We're attempting to respond to those as expeditions

485
00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:35,750
as we can, but they do require tremendous amount of work and follow up and we want to make

486
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:42,950
I'm sure that all the money that's owed to the City Sound Museum, we maintain because that will help us as we begin to recover through the bankruptcy process.

487
00:42:43,330 --> 00:42:47,350
As the Council is aware, we have supplies and things that have been exhausted.

488
00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:51,790
We're attempting to replenish those so that our employees can respond to basic services.

489
00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:57,690
But again, we have many, many trade vendors that have not been paid, and so we're attempting to work through that with them.

490
00:42:57,750 --> 00:43:01,230
So they continue to provide materials and supplies to us during this process.

491
00:43:01,230 --> 00:43:06,970
Again, this will be provided in written form, but I wanted to give you a verbal update, I know there have been many questions.

492
00:43:07,610 --> 00:43:09,810
Is the city form the employee form?

493
00:43:10,990 --> 00:43:13,610
Is that strictly for the employees and their union representation?

494
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:19,370
Yeah, apparently we did have some individuals that were really not our intended guests there.

495
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:24,530
We really wanted it to be for the employees, their union representatives, so we could assist them in the layoff process.

496
00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:29,030
really each person's bumping rights are very individualized and so we're not prepared

497
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:32,430
for those meetings to answer those specific questions but really provide them information

498
00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:36,450
on the very resources that are available to them, you know, like unemployment insurance,

499
00:43:37,470 --> 00:43:41,870
work force, development opportunities through Sabita, resume building, techniques and things

500
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:42,270
like that.

501
00:43:42,370 --> 00:43:43,830
And you have another one coming up pretty good.

502
00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:47,690
Yes, we're trying to do those at least once a week so that employees have an opportunity

503
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:52,210
to come multiple times and get information from all sorts of groups that we've tried to bring

504
00:43:52,210 --> 00:43:54,150
together to be of assistance to our employees.

505
00:43:54,610 --> 00:44:00,710
And I hope that the next one will make sure that the employees have their opportunity

506
00:44:00,710 --> 00:44:06,250
to express in confidentiality as well as with their union representation, so just to get

507
00:44:06,250 --> 00:44:07,550
out there in the meeting and all that good stuff.

508
00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:12,110
Yeah, apparently we had other individuals, and so I think we, you know, we were trying to be

509
00:44:12,110 --> 00:44:16,750
sensitive to letting everyone come in, but I think we need to be careful that, and we don't

510
00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:19,990
want to exclude anyone so that we're attempting to not be transparent, but we do need

511
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:24,290
make sure that it's a place where employees can express their concerns and a safe manner

512
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:30,370
and have those responded to and not have any kind of restricted dialogue because of the

513
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:30,650
audience.

514
00:44:31,070 --> 00:44:31,470
Thank you.

515
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:32,550
Thank you very much.

516
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:33,070
Mr. Cameron?

517
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:33,910
Question?

518
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:37,430
First, but then I'd like to ask a question.

519
00:44:39,550 --> 00:44:47,790
Mr. Miller, when do you anticipate presenting before the common council, the findings of the CBDG

520
00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:48,130
audit?

521
00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:54,670
If you will recall, I think I reported the last time, CBG did their initial survey audit.

522
00:44:54,690 --> 00:44:58,150
They've indicated to us that they anticipate being here for several months longer.

523
00:44:58,610 --> 00:44:59,970
So we will have the preliminary results.

524
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:16,520
But they still anticipate that that will be several weeks out. So as soon as those come in, I will afford them to the council and we'll prepare a public presentation on it, but you'll receive those as soon as they come to us. And actually, I think, and I would defer to Brandon on us, I believe they actually go to the directly to the members of the mayor in the mayor in the common council.

525
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:26,740
Okay. Well, I'm convening a CBDG at hot committee meeting, and so we'll kind of, I'd like to address that issue in the hot committee.

526
00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:33,840
Certainly I will ask Brandon to be prepared there are things that they have discussed with him so that we have you know heads up on issues

527
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:40,260
So he will at least bring those to you and then again as soon as the written reporters prepare he'll be there to answer those one last question on on the cash flow

528
00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:43,900
Numbers are you providing that in written format to us?

529
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,540
Yeah, yes, I want to give it to you verbally tonight and then it will be in your office this afternoon and then post it on the website

530
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,320
We're Kevin. Thank you, Andrew, and that a lot of what you've just

531
00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:02,140
given us verbally are listed or answers to questions that I've got for several agenda items

532
00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:09,200
good. But I feel like I really need to have that right now. It may very well be in your office

533
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,500
and so I'm hoping that someone's listening. Can you can you check hard because I think it was

534
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:18,060
distributed? Can you show what it looks like so you know what he's looking for? It's like this.

535
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:32,100
Because, that's actually some of that information, like specifically to an agenda item, that it's important if I know that in advance we can save a lot of time.

536
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:39,420
And while Jorge is getting that, I will also ask the staff just to go and get the copies, because again they were making final edits to this and I literally brought down a rough eye.

537
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,180
I don't care about the typos, okay?

538
00:46:42,020 --> 00:46:43,700
I'm more concerned about the substance, thank you, Mayor.

539
00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:45,700
Thank you very much, anything else?

540
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:47,140
No, sir, thank you.

541
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:48,960
Thank you, Ms. Ham.

542
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:50,040
Anything to report?

543
00:46:50,540 --> 00:46:51,320
Thank you very much.

544
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:51,660
All right.

545
00:46:51,740 --> 00:46:58,380
Let's turn them from our reporting from Council Mayor and staff to our consent calendar.

546
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,780
We have items five A through D.

547
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,760
The forest has consent matters.

548
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:13,180
Other A members of the council wish to pull in the items on the consent calendar A through D.

549
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,180
And move to proof of the balance if there are none others.

550
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:25,180
How do we have P, C and D then?

551
00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:27,520
Okay, so I approve my day.

552
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,400
Please come to me by day.

553
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:33,920
I vote.

554
00:47:34,180 --> 00:47:36,420
I'll leave you a poll, D and Mr. Jink.

555
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,520
Mr. Shared, poll, D and C.

556
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:48,180
All right, I mean the single item before us on the consent agenda.

557
00:47:50,180 --> 00:47:51,140
You're both pleased.

558
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:53,080
So I have bankruptcy changes, thanks.

559
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:09,420
Thank you very much.

560
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:11,680
Moving on to the full items.

561
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:12,960
5B.

562
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:14,760
This is the ordinance of the mayor and council.

563
00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:18,320
Adding section 3.05.05.

564
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:23,000
To the municipal code, we're going to transfer in restricted funds.

565
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,560
Without approval.

566
00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:31,380
And this is a final reading of this particular resolution.

567
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,020
Mr. Schurett.

568
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,900
My question really is just, I understand what's going on here.

569
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,460
I don't not support the item, but I think I've always been concerned a couple of

570
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:53,660
I'm not originally asking you how to get impact the matter running the city.

571
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:59,260
We have laws that don't allow you to take this without being attacked with a certain period of time,

572
00:48:59,380 --> 00:49:02,360
and I certainly didn't want anyone following those.

573
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,320
But it's my understanding that you use these or cities do commonly use these,

574
00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:11,120
so help with cash flow issues.

575
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:33,480
So, that's all my concern is if you can tell me that there's only impact that your ability or for future city managers ability to operate under maybe some difficult cash flow times, because cash doesn't come in and not always enough to do what we need to do, you tell me that.

576
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,680
That's okay with you. I can support otherwise I really can't. So I think it's the tool that you can do.

577
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:46,020
I think for my purposes, given the fact that we have an $18 million general fund deficit that

578
00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:50,240
has to be solved, I think this council is aware that I really am not in a position not

579
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:54,360
to use those funds and I'm trying to report, I'm as openly to you and that's why I'm given

580
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,900
you by weekly reports both verbally and in writing.

581
00:49:58,220 --> 00:50:01,100
So from my perspective today, it really doesn't affect anything.

582
00:50:01,220 --> 00:50:06,000
As we move into the future in this city is fully solved and there will be time periods where

583
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,280
employees are in an in need and it's typically during those first few months of the fiscal year to

584
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:18,340
utilize restricted funds for cash flow purposes. I would anticipate that when this budget

585
00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:23,760
stabilize my preference and this has been my history managing cities for 20 somewhat years

586
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,340
that I always provide a monthly report to this council on it would include all those types of

587
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:32,780
restricted fund use and so I would anticipate that as long as someone's handling it that way

588
00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:37,580
then there shouldn't be an issue, but yes, it's common for cities to use that.

589
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:44,820
And I think that you would have to have a very large reserve in order for a manager not to have to come back and request the authorization to do that.

590
00:50:45,060 --> 00:50:46,640
We're a ways away from a large reserve.

591
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,240
We are very, because you need a reserve.

592
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:54,980
Just based on our current financial situation, a reserve of 30 to 40 million dollars in order to never borrow from a restricted time.

593
00:50:55,140 --> 00:51:00,740
And so I guess maybe a legal question would be that we could always review this again at a later date.

594
00:51:00,740 --> 00:51:06,860
We found that we were back flush and we were just, you know, cash just flowing everywhere and then we wouldn't need to borrow any money.

595
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:16,040
But, but again, I just like to have the opportunity or the ability for a manager to have the tools necessary to operate the business, sort of speak.

596
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:22,740
So, I guess I can approve it today and maybe, you know, five years down the roadbloom, we're all fat and happy.

597
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,960
We can maybe re-look at it.

598
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,020
There's a motion in a second to your both place.

599
00:51:39,610 --> 00:51:40,530
Thank you very much.

600
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:43,810
Moving on to item six, five, see.

601
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:44,810
I must to share that.

602
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:45,490
There's an ordinance.

603
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:46,710
The mayor and council.

604
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:51,170
Um, amending our development code in section 19.20.

605
00:51:51,850 --> 00:51:52,070
Point.

606
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:53,450
Whole three of.

607
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:55,410
To allow the use of barbed wire.

608
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:56,590
Raise your wire.

609
00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:57,510
And.

610
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:58,750
Constantine a wire.

611
00:51:58,930 --> 00:51:59,530
As approved.

612
00:51:59,830 --> 00:52:01,330
Fencing material in the city.

613
00:52:01,390 --> 00:52:03,290
This is the final reading of that particular.

614
00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:08,370
And I pull it really because I don't want to support it.

615
00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:14,790
I don't like the idea of having raise your wire and concentrate on wire and bar wire in our city.

616
00:52:15,010 --> 00:52:15,590
I just don't.

617
00:52:15,850 --> 00:52:17,290
It just is the wrong image.

618
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:25,210
I understand the use of it, but I just wanted to go on record and pull it so that I just didn't approve it with the whole rest of the calendar.

619
00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:26,730
I just had to move the floor motion.

620
00:52:26,730 --> 00:52:27,130
The second.

621
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:33,470
It is a motion by Kelly II, the second was in the chemistry.

622
00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:34,190
It's going to be this in a camera.

623
00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:37,430
There's a chemistry second in a comment by the seconder, was a chemistry.

624
00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:46,630
If I had had ways of wire on the roof of my building, I would not have had $20,000 worth

625
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:48,250
of air conditioning store.

626
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:55,820
And the real problem is is once the insurance makes it free investment, which of course

627
00:52:55,820 --> 00:53:01,580
not for the whole thing, and I, of course, have to replace those of our conditioners or

628
00:53:01,580 --> 00:53:06,480
my customers will not come in the door. If it had been stolen, again, I would have been out

629
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:12,620
of luck. There are many circumstances where reservoirs of wiring constantly and wire can be used

630
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:21,660
in a way that is not offensive and even somewhat camouflaged, and that is what we have attempted

631
00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:28,280
to do in our design, but people cannot state a fortestane business if they have to keep replacing

632
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:34,500
capital equipment. And if this is the only way to prevent it, I am all in favor of it.

633
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:35,180
So.

634
00:53:35,180 --> 00:53:37,780
All right. We have a motion in the second interview about the folks.

635
00:53:48,010 --> 00:53:48,710
Thank you very much.

636
00:53:48,910 --> 00:53:54,870
Moving on to the final item on our consent agenda 5b. This is the approval of the commercial

637
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:58,390
checks and payroll checks and that's a well-davea, you pulled it, sir.

638
00:53:59,110 --> 00:53:59,870
Move to approve.

639
00:53:59,870 --> 00:54:04,690
Second, motion in a second, your votes on 5D please.

640
00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:12,250
Thank you very much.

641
00:54:14,070 --> 00:54:15,830
Moving to public hearings,

642
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:24,940
we opened the meeting on item 6 and August 20th, and it was

643
00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:27,160
fullerable until today's agenda.

644
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,540
Six A concerns a general plan amendment and a conditional use permit allowing the establishment

645
00:54:33,540 --> 00:54:39,520
of an auto dismantling and salvage yard with retail part sails on the south side of

646
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,760
Wallmouth Street. We have had this report from staff before. Is there anyone in the audience

647
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,120
pushing to speak on this item? And if so, would you please come forward and will place you

648
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,100
under oath? Anybody wishing to speak on this item?

649
00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:17,550
Would you give us your full name, please sir?

650
00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:22,530
My name is Ricardo Valero. Mr. Delayou, would you please raise your right hand and take field?

651
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:29,970
Do you solemnly affirm that the testimony you are about to give before this body will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

652
00:55:30,330 --> 00:55:31,650
If so, please say I do.

653
00:55:32,090 --> 00:55:32,350
I do.

654
00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:33,550
Thank you.

655
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:33,930
All right.

656
00:55:34,030 --> 00:55:37,390
We are here for the second meeting of this particular ordinance.

657
00:55:38,010 --> 00:55:40,370
So we've had presentations before.

658
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:47,890
Witnesses here with additional materials to present Mr. Vallejo.

659
00:55:47,890 --> 00:55:48,190
So,

660
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:59,700
yes, this is our project that we want to help to develop in a near future.

661
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:04,080
We already own a auto salvage yard in San Bernardino.

662
00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:07,580
We've been here for five years now.

663
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:15,100
I, as a businessman, been in the auto dismantling business for now close to 20 years.

664
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:24,620
We have four auto-dismantling yards throughout Southern California and if this project goes

665
00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:33,420
through, this will be the biggest project for our company and it's ten acres that

666
00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:40,380
will want to develop on Walnut in San Bernardino and the reason I like San Bernardino

667
00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:42,620
because there's a central place for our business.

668
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,920
And I think it's going to go well for our business.

669
00:56:53,500 --> 00:57:01,900
What we want to do, it's developing a self-service auto-wrecking and a full service auto-wrecking

670
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:10,320
the same place, split five acres for cell service and five acres for full service yard.

671
00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:20,660
All right, there's the council and questions of Mr. Belaeho on the subject. Yes, Mr. Belaeho.

672
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:26,420
Thank you, Mayor. This project is proposed to be in my ward and I do have a couple of

673
00:57:26,420 --> 00:57:34,740
and follow up, loose ends that I'd like to record and reflect here in the public record.

674
00:57:35,180 --> 00:57:40,760
Mr. Stewart, in my conversations with you regarding this project, there was several concerns

675
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,820
for me as a Councilman, especially in the neighborhood area of Walnut and Muscott.

676
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:52,940
Of particular interest for my residents was the drainage issues that are concerned to the area

677
00:57:52,940 --> 00:58:00,200
year by. Walnut and Muscott has a low point, if you want to call it, and the

678
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:05,760
curve and gutter, and don't know all the technical terms, but in my

679
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,120
conversations with you, you've reassured me that we will be addressing that

680
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:22,920
feature. Can you for the public certification elucidate on what you have

681
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:30,880
conversations staff has recommended a new condition of approval on number 25 which states that the applicant

682
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:38,240
slash operator must submit a cash deposit of $25,000 into the storm drain construction fund for a future or

683
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:44,520
capital improvement program project for CIP project to mitigate the existing drainage issues that must

684
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,700
in lawless streets. Pause it, must have her prior to building from admissions.

685
00:58:56,620 --> 00:59:02,760
Well, I guess you're here. I'm not quite understanding, so I'm going to drill down a little bit further here.

686
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:08,660
My conversation with you and staff was that this was going to be deposited almost like a bond feature,

687
00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:19,060
and that if we didn't perform the CIP and the process that this would potentially be refunded to Mr. Ray Haos at accurate, that's correct.

688
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:26,680
I'd like for that record, if we can make sure that that is part of the condition that

689
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:33,500
we, in staff discussion and conference, we discuss that it would be a one-year process.

690
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:35,700
Is that correct, Mr. Stewart?

691
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:38,620
We did discuss one year, that's correct.

692
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,960
And so I'd like for the record here to reflect that this, if we do not perform as a city

693
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,560
within one year on the agreements that you and I have made in conference, that this money

694
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,100
is refunded to Mr. Vaehaw and Apple this sampling within one year.

695
00:59:52,660 --> 00:59:59,060
Secondly, on item number 25, the CIP project is rather vague.

696
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,120
Construction Fund. You were to look in and seek the council and advice of the finance department. What were your

697
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:14,200
findings there, Mr. Stewart? I will go ahead and refer to Gary Acres from our land development division.

698
01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:34,320
Gary Acres, community gland development, senior civil engineer with the city. We have discussed that particular

699
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:43,680
account, the general account, if we put it under the community development, it's kind of a

700
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,160
general account that can be lost.

701
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:56,980
If you will, CIP project allows a specific CUP item so that it can be refunded directly.

702
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:03,560
If you don't do it in that fashion, if we do it the way that we first described, there's an

703
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:12,720
issue with it not being allocated to this project, so the city engineer has agreed that this would be the proper way to fund this, so that it could be refunded.

704
01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:30,760
Well, I guess my point of attention, Mr. Anchors, is that if knowing the past practices of this city is to somehow take a big grab and attack money in accounts,

705
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:36,800
I want to ensure that Mr. Vejejo's money deposited in the storm-grained construction fund

706
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,600
isn't somehow absorbed into some other project.

707
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:40,640
Is there a guarantee?

708
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,980
And that's kind of why I'm a little surprised that in our conversation and

709
01:01:44,980 --> 01:01:47,720
conference on the Wednesday and Thursday of this past week,

710
01:01:48,980 --> 01:01:50,260
I'm not seeing that here reflected.

711
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,140
I don't know of any way that that can be allocated anymore directly

712
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,720
than what we're proposing on this condition.

713
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:04,940
But the city, if they choose to rob funds, I can't guarantee you that they won't rob funds.

714
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:12,840
So, were you able to contact my understanding as your department was supposed to contact finance department?

715
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:13,580
Is that accurate?

716
01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:15,140
Did you do that?

717
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:17,680
But what we contacted was building safety department.

718
01:02:18,540 --> 01:02:26,500
There isn't a mechanism that we were made aware of from our finance section that allows any other method currently under the city procedures.

719
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:34,140
Okay, well, when I left the table, Mr. Stewart, back to you, we kind of had a gentleman's

720
01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:37,420
handshake that that would be looked into.

721
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:45,000
I'm not pleased that the construction fund is just so vague here, the $25,000 of hard-earned

722
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:50,740
money from our businessman, Mr. Beho, is just somehow deposited and hoped to will that we,

723
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,360
in one year, get a thousand or $25,000 back to him, and then all of a sudden there's no money

724
01:02:55,360 --> 01:03:02,640
in that account. So Madam City Manager, can you ensure that this $25,000 is appropriate

725
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:11,300
and is special walnut, muskot, drainage, whatever account, but so that it's impounded and

726
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:20,320
it's not touched. I certainly appreciate that. And also regarding some documents that I just

727
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,080
received at 359 this afternoon.

728
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:28,940
Was there any of this information provided in the

729
01:03:28,940 --> 01:03:32,040
back of Mr. Stewart? Or is this just new fresh revelation to this

730
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:40,900
council? The memo that you gave to us, or I'm sorry, it's Mr. Lee Ann. None of this

731
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:42,800
information is provided in back up correct?

732
01:03:45,150 --> 01:03:47,190
I'm sorry could you rephrase that. I'm not

733
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:51,670
sure exactly what you're asking. The information that I just received about 20

734
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:57,810
minutes ago about 25 pages thick. Is this somehow supplied in the back of material?

735
01:03:59,530 --> 01:04:02,710
Not in the original staff, of course, back of material.

736
01:04:02,910 --> 01:04:07,490
This is a couple of metal based on the meetings that we've been having with yourself

737
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:08,810
and with this city of Colton.

738
01:04:09,330 --> 01:04:10,890
Okay, well paired starting today.

739
01:04:11,210 --> 01:04:13,730
Well, I'm going to suggest to my peers here.

740
01:04:13,730 --> 01:04:19,710
I understand Mr. Vejo, you want to get into planning commission hearing on September 26.

741
01:04:19,710 --> 01:04:26,450
It's incumbent upon our staff to really work with our businesses to get this, but I'm not comfortable.

742
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:32,070
There's a lot of information here that's new revelation I believe that's not supplied here in the back of material.

743
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:36,390
I'm not comfortable making a decision here and moving this forward.

744
01:04:36,730 --> 01:04:39,450
I understand that crunch in the deadline, Mr. Bello.

745
01:04:40,170 --> 01:04:48,110
But unfortunately, I'm going to ask my peers consider this to move to continue to the next meeting which would be October 1st.

746
01:04:49,310 --> 01:04:52,510
So, that's the motion that I'd like to make.

747
01:04:52,810 --> 01:04:54,110
I would second that.

748
01:04:55,310 --> 01:04:55,810
All right.

749
01:04:55,870 --> 01:05:01,130
We have a motion in the second to continue this item until our next regular scheduled council meeting

750
01:05:01,130 --> 01:05:02,710
on the first day of October.

751
01:05:03,630 --> 01:05:06,050
For the discussion comments by staff.

752
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:14,520
Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council would you allow us to make a response to the council?

753
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:19,700
If you're going to testify like in a raise your right hand, sir, and sir, it's for it.

754
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:27,640
Do you solemnly affirm that the testimony you were about to give before this body will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

755
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,080
If so, please say I do.

756
01:05:29,740 --> 01:05:30,280
Yes, I do.

757
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:31,100
Thank you.

758
01:05:31,220 --> 01:05:32,060
Who name please?

759
01:05:32,340 --> 01:05:33,280
Nelson Miller.

760
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:33,800
I don't know.

761
01:05:33,860 --> 01:05:35,820
Vice President with Holy Wyrland 1500.

762
01:05:36,180 --> 01:05:37,720
Iowa Street and Riverside.

763
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:44,400
We assisted Mr. Palayo in preparation of environmental documents for this project in a assisted

764
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,940
the city and responding to the city of Colton. And I can well understand the Councilman's

765
01:05:48,940 --> 01:05:54,620
concern about the volume of material that you've received. But essentially, this material

766
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:01,460
was responding to the city of Colton's comments regarding their concerns about the water

767
01:06:01,460 --> 01:06:08,620
well that is adjacent to this site. And they have requested assurances that their water quality

768
01:06:08,620 --> 01:06:15,360
will be protected. And so the volume of material that you've received is clarifications to

769
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:21,320
the original initial study responding to the city of Colton's comments, further describing

770
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,880
the water quality control measures that will be implemented with this project to assure the

771
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,600
city of Colton, as well as the city of San Bernardino, that the water quality will be protected.

772
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:37,540
So it is addressed in the initial study which you previously received and the planning commission

773
01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:44,740
did review and recommend approval of, however, it is additional clarification and commitments

774
01:06:44,740 --> 01:06:51,880
to the city of Colton that they will be copied on all of the reports that are generated

775
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,620
with respect to water quality,

776
01:06:55,860 --> 01:06:59,880
that clarifying the measures that will be implemented in

777
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:05,300
terms of oil separators to ensure that none of the oil gets into the water table.

778
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:10,160
So that that's the nature of the materials you've received as you can understand.

779
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,920
This has already been continued once because of the city of Colton and Mr. Baleo's anxious to move forward.

780
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,120
But I just give back for your consideration.

781
01:07:17,780 --> 01:07:18,300
Thank you.

782
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:19,160
Mr.

783
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:20,120
Oh, baby.

784
01:07:20,820 --> 01:07:28,080
Mr. Miller, I appreciate what you just said respectfully on exhibit A of what was just handed to me 20 minutes ago.

785
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,400
There's a transportation and traffic concern.

786
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:37,940
There's a aesthetics concern on page 2 on page 3 of your final report here in your response to the city of Colton.

787
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,340
You have more aesthetics concern.

788
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,380
So I would contend with what you just presented to me.

789
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,880
I understand that the importance of moving this forward.

790
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,540
However, I still, again, would like to read this at my convenience.

791
01:07:54,580 --> 01:07:58,900
And, you know, this is not how we do business.

792
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:03,820
This information, you had it several weeks ago,

793
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:05,100
according to some of these letters.

794
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,640
I wish that this information could have been introduced

795
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,140
into our packet over the weekend.

796
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:13,060
I do read my backup material.

797
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:15,460
I almost try to memorize it.

798
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,640
So I can know where to come with questions.

799
01:08:20,660 --> 01:08:23,200
Let's get back into the CUP, some of the conditions.

800
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,680
I want to assure that on a residence in the nearby area,

801
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:33,280
I have advocated for a traffic route that they go

802
01:08:34,420 --> 01:08:39,480
westerly on walnut, northerly on muskot, and then out onto

803
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:43,220
Raiolto Avenue so that residents in the neighborhood of

804
01:08:43,220 --> 01:08:45,920
walnut and Mount Vernon are not disturbed.

805
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:57,660
Also, what's very convenient for that, and that is number 10 on the

806
01:08:57,660 --> 01:09:02,880
for trucks, we'll take that suggested route here as part of conditions.

807
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:08,680
Also, the pocket part, number eight, the private pocket part.

808
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:14,960
I certainly appreciate Mr. Baejo and your cooperation in the area surrounding that.

809
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:23,380
Really, I have personally visited with neighbors along that area and shared the good stuff that's coming to the area.

810
01:09:23,380 --> 01:09:29,060
So that's going to be open from the business hours that you operate your business, and that's

811
01:09:29,060 --> 01:09:32,980
a wonderful thing for the area.

812
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:40,340
But again, my motion stands, I'm going to ask that we move this, and I fully have a second

813
01:09:40,340 --> 01:09:42,480
from Councilman Kelly, and I appreciate that.

814
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,220
All right, we have a motion in the second, and for the discussion at the table.

815
01:09:47,580 --> 01:09:48,660
Yes, Mr. Johnson.

816
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:49,500
Thank you.

817
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,380
He mentioned the number 10.

818
01:09:52,260 --> 01:09:58,740
What type of compliance elements are in place to ensure that they travel with this ground?

819
01:09:59,140 --> 01:09:59,720
That's proposed.

820
01:10:03,210 --> 01:10:05,750
Well, basically it will be an honor system.

821
01:10:06,730 --> 01:10:08,690
We'll regard to that.

822
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:14,610
And I encourage residents to contact this Councilman's office.

823
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:20,890
If there's somehow increased traffic going the opposite way, I'll be sure as a part of their condition

824
01:10:20,890 --> 01:10:22,950
to make sure that this is enforced.

825
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:34,070
I am supportive of the of my colleagues request to continue this item and I want to

826
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:38,930
thank staff for their time on this and the applicant for their time here today.

827
01:10:39,230 --> 01:10:44,730
I know that at times it can be frustrating to move so close on a project and you have time

828
01:10:44,730 --> 01:10:49,110
tables and commitments you need to make so I recognize that and I appreciate your patience

829
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:54,930
on it, I think that you're finding that working with the Council and the Council member from

830
01:10:54,930 --> 01:11:00,610
the ward that most of the issues can be resolved and we look forward to your project

831
01:11:00,610 --> 01:11:01,130
and the city.

832
01:11:01,210 --> 01:11:05,050
I don't think there's any opposition to the project itself, just some things.

833
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:10,810
In the past, for some of the new staff that's here, I know that when State of Brethren

834
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:16,390
started their facility out at the Formanort Nair Force Base, the First Ward Council member

835
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:22,190
at that time, Esther Stroud, I was deeply concerned about the traffic routes of the commercial

836
01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:27,050
vehicles going to and from and they did work out very similar to what was being proposed

837
01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:36,030
here that we received shortly some short time ago regarding the traffic patterns. So I know

838
01:11:36,030 --> 01:11:40,790
that we can, I think with the council member support and the staff you can work out most of

839
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:46,370
the issues, I will note that the retention base and I think is an excellent issue because

840
01:11:46,370 --> 01:11:50,290
As with or without the project, there is going to be still a drain of issues, so I think

841
01:11:50,290 --> 01:11:55,430
you are helping mitigate that, and I just wanted to share with you, sometimes things

842
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:58,010
don't move as fast as we like in government, so be patient.

843
01:11:58,690 --> 01:11:59,290
And thank you.

844
01:11:59,850 --> 01:12:03,230
Thank you

845
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:13,020
very much.

846
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:13,880
Thank you very much.

847
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:14,280
Thank you very much.

848
01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:15,360
We'll see you back here.

849
01:12:15,620 --> 01:12:16,240
I'll cover the first.

850
01:12:16,940 --> 01:12:17,740
Thank you.

851
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:21,660
Let's move in.

852
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:26,480
That's the only public hearing we have on this afternoon's agenda, who moved out of

853
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:29,040
7, which is our continued items.

854
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:35,260
Item 7A is a resolution authorized in the issuance of the purchase order, the Chase Financial

855
01:12:35,260 --> 01:12:41,940
Services for a four-year parking lease, the parking lot adjacent to our public safety

856
01:12:41,940 --> 01:12:43,040
center, our police department.

857
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:45,080
Second.

858
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,820
There's a motion in the second.

859
01:12:48,620 --> 01:12:50,240
If I can ask a fair five question.

860
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:51,620
Mr. Jenkins.

861
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:52,560
Thank you.

862
01:12:52,560 --> 01:13:03,720
I know at the last council meeting one of my colleagues talked about $40,000, $40,000, $40,000 and just to look at other ways where we run this kind of money.

863
01:13:04,460 --> 01:13:09,520
But I didn't see that in the back up. Is it in the back up?

864
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,340
It is not in the back up, but he's going to speak about some of the other things there.

865
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,980
So I'm going to be quiet much about the chief.

866
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:19,760
So he's at the party and he's ready.

867
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:26,780
However, we asked the city manager, no disrespect chief, we got your information and what

868
01:13:26,780 --> 01:13:27,940
you thought about it.

869
01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:34,980
My question was directed directly to you as to, were there any other options, could you

870
01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:38,980
make any other suggestions and I was waiting for a response from you for that?

871
01:13:39,340 --> 01:13:41,440
And I apologize, I did work with the police chief.

872
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:46,100
He had been through a whole host of things before they presented this to the Council of those

873
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:51,200
all reasonable because of the tight time frame here we can't think of anything that is

874
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,200
doable within the very short time period but I recognize the concerns and we'll

875
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,260
try to come up with something in the future but right now we didn't really come up with

876
01:13:59,260 --> 01:14:00,140
any quick alternatives.

877
01:14:02,060 --> 01:14:06,360
Okay, but we also asked questions similar and maybe the chief does have the answers in terms of

878
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,380
how many vehicles we're talking about those kinds of things.

879
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:12,180
And he did address those things and he can go through those again.

880
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,980
So we attempted to answer all the questions.

881
01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:18,240
the one question unfortunately we couldn't really come up with another alternative quickly and

882
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,420
up to address this problem but as we look forward into the future other alternatives to

883
01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:27,360
maybe shifts and things we will continue to do that and as properties become available but the

884
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:33,900
least is for a year correct yes but it does have options to 30 day out yeah okay thank you and

885
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:38,400
and again we see that maybe other opportunities coming available as we begin to dispose of some

886
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,620
read about the properties we have and things like that.

887
01:14:40,940 --> 01:14:42,740
Okay. Thank you.

888
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:47,160
There are a couple of things to address some of the questions that came up last time.

889
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:53,220
We originally entered into the lease in 2008, and we originally entered into the lease.

890
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:59,180
We agreed to make capital improvements in order to secure the lot and make it part of our lot.

891
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:14,340
We received a donation from Mr. Brown, Jack Brown, gave us a donation. And we actually named that section of the parking lot after his mother, who is one of our longest serving reserve officers in history.

892
01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:25,860
That capital improvement money that was spent, we also agreed in the lease to remove it at the end of the lease. So if we want to renew now, then we have to take the fence down and restore it back to its normal condition.

893
01:15:25,860 --> 01:15:28,460
That's one of the concerns that I have.

894
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:31,020
Another one is, I'll just give you the numbers of spaces.

895
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,660
We have 370 spaces in our current lot that the city owns.

896
01:15:36,420 --> 01:15:40,920
We have 80 spaces that we gain from leasing the adjacent pot.

897
01:15:41,780 --> 01:15:47,740
We have 262 department vehicles assigned to us right now.

898
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:54,320
Approximately 25 spaces are dedicated to our specialty vehicle fleet, and that includes

899
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:59,500
like our command vehicle which looks like the bus, our SWAT vehicles, utility trailers and

900
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:00,300
other things.

901
01:16:00,620 --> 01:16:06,680
So 25 of those spaces are taken up as well for a total of 287 spaces for department-owned

902
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:07,020
vehicles.

903
01:16:07,940 --> 01:16:11,960
We have 438 employees, approximately that are assigned to the building.

904
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:19,520
Basically, it leaves us with 450 total spaces including the lease and what the city owns.

905
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:28,060
If you take out the 287 department owned vehicle spaces, that leaves us for the 163 spaces for the 438 employees.

906
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:31,240
The way that works for us is our shift work.

907
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,580
And whenever everybody comes and goes on over lap days, now it's particularly on Tuesday afternoon.

908
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:43,180
We have a lot of difficulty with our employees parking even with those 450 spaces.

909
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:48,660
So, we do need the space, we did try to look at some alternatives, and we looked at

910
01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:52,180
alternatives originally in 2008, and there were none that were feasible.

911
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,700
The market was a lot different than it is today.

912
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:01,360
Based on the security of the lot provides the convenience and how close it is to us.

913
01:17:01,420 --> 01:17:05,300
In the fact that we would have to restore it to its natural condition, there weren't a lot

914
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:06,840
of options that were explored this time.

915
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,720
And as a city manager indicated, it properly explored those options would take us a little

916
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:11,400
bit more time.

917
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,100
So, all recommendation is to approve it.

918
01:17:15,220 --> 01:17:19,520
Obviously that's what it was last time, but if not, we'll look for alternatives.

919
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:21,000
We have a motion.

920
01:17:21,340 --> 01:17:24,360
Second, I have your votes, please.

921
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:31,260
Thank you very much.

922
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,200
I may or may, might I make this suggestion, and then Chief said something that's further

923
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,660
another question, which was, we ran out of time to look for other options.

924
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,260
We know these things are coming up.

925
01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:50,880
We know when they're expiring and at this point in time with money as short as as it is and we'll be probably for at least the next three to five years

926
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:57,720
We need to look for other options long before the least expires so that we have done and not been back to the law situation

927
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:04,640
I agree with you one of the things that the city clerk is working on is a master list of all agreements that the city has

928
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,960
Which is difficult we apparently have agreements and all the various departments and things

929
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,580
But trying to get it out of that master list.

930
01:18:10,740 --> 01:18:12,800
So we see the exploration dates and so with the department,

931
01:18:12,940 --> 01:18:13,860
it's not working on it.

932
01:18:13,980 --> 01:18:16,060
Then I can say we need to look at all turns related

933
01:18:16,060 --> 01:18:18,900
and have a much longer time frame in order to do that.

934
01:18:18,980 --> 01:18:20,360
You shouldn't be left to the department

935
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,980
to bring these things up as they become aware of them.

936
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:25,060
Thank you.

937
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:25,920
Thank you very much.

938
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:26,880
Thank you, Chief.

939
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,060
We'll be in do staff reports.

940
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:33,400
We've got the last, you know, the mayor in common council.

941
01:18:35,060 --> 01:18:36,120
It was a motion made.

942
01:18:36,660 --> 01:18:43,140
That was fast to go out for an RFP for at least seeing the public private partnership opportunities

943
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,120
for our refuse operation.

944
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:54,980
The motion included to report by the City Council, to the City Council, by the City Manager.

945
01:18:55,780 --> 01:19:00,020
On this date, for an RFP, no way to then talk with the first.

946
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:01,020
Madam City Manager.

947
01:19:03,340 --> 01:19:09,200
Mr. Mayor, as the council is aware, you directed that we begin to work with the city's

948
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,980
expert consultant, that we're in the process of retaining, and I believe that's a subsequent

949
01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:18,380
agenda item to assist with the development of the RFP. We have a whole series of questions.

950
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:23,700
I believe that you have a list of issues that's been provided by the consultant that they are

951
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:28,820
still working to address and are intent to present this to you by the October 1st meeting as

952
01:19:28,820 --> 01:19:41,560
agreed to. I believe the city attorney has prepared a draft RFP with some assistance from the city staff and certainly some discussions and he's prepared to address the request proposal that his office is prepared.

953
01:19:43,260 --> 01:19:45,980
All right, but this is not your proposal.

954
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:57,300
We certainly have had conversations with them. He did prepare this agenda item. We have still some remaining things that we anticipate we would need to work through and those have been provided to the council.

955
01:19:57,860 --> 01:20:06,920
Are you referring to the 14 items of concern that were placed before us today by Sloan and Vesquez?

956
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,120
Yes, and he did send those to us on Friday.

957
01:20:09,340 --> 01:20:13,600
I apologize that the Council did not receive those earlier, but yes, that is the list I'm referring to.

958
01:20:13,740 --> 01:20:18,360
We're continuing to collect the data that has been requested and certainly we're trying to expedite that.

959
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:23,700
We've given the Council's desire to get this request from those out to the community as quickly as possible.

960
01:20:23,700 --> 01:20:36,790
Mr. Pinnon, you have placed on the agenda item 8A, which is substantial amount of documentation

961
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:44,750
relative to historical practices in the city relative to trash and refugees, streams,

962
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:48,510
and a set of

963
01:20:50,690 --> 01:20:53,430
proposed RFP survey.

964
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:54,750
I want to address that.

965
01:20:55,050 --> 01:20:55,330
Yes, Your Honor.

966
01:20:55,590 --> 01:21:01,570
At the last meeting in the mayor and council, Mr. Kelly's motion was to return at this meeting

967
01:21:02,150 --> 01:21:10,930
with an RFP, the press for proposals drafted, so in communication with the city manager and

968
01:21:10,930 --> 01:21:16,690
in some consultation with the director and director of public works, we attempted to put

969
01:21:16,690 --> 01:21:18,990
together a request for proposal.

970
01:21:18,990 --> 01:21:27,070
Our efforts were somewhat hampered by the fact that information that we had requested from the public works department was not worth coming.

971
01:21:28,670 --> 01:21:44,760
However, we have the draft number four in the backup, which is not intended to be the final document that is intended to comply with the motion that approved by the Council.

972
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:58,620
made by Mr. Kelly of the last meeting and we have been requested by some members of the Council

973
01:21:58,620 --> 01:22:05,460
have it proposed City Council response to the comments or recommendations by Sloan Baskers

974
01:22:06,180 --> 01:22:09,480
which has been passed out and distributed to the Mayor of Council.

975
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:17,820
Before going further though, I want to read to the mayor and council, both the chartered

976
01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:25,800
section that is applicable and the California Public Resources Code Procreate section.

977
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,960
In Article I section one of the powers of the city, charter provides that the city's

978
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,920
San Bernardino may make an enforce all laws and regulations in respect to municipal affairs,

979
01:22:36,660 --> 01:22:41,380
Subject going to the restrictions and limitations provided in this charter, and in respect

980
01:22:41,380 --> 01:22:43,700
other matters it should be subject to general laws.

981
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:49,460
There is no provision in the charter, nor in the requirement in the municipal code for service

982
01:22:49,460 --> 01:22:58,500
contracts, to be sent out for requests for proposals or for bids.

983
01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:09,600
However, since the charter refers to the general law, we look at the waste management provision,

984
01:23:09,660 --> 01:23:21,880
division 30, section 40,000 of the public resources code, and specifically section 405,9 issues for local determination.

985
01:23:22,860 --> 01:23:25,800
And this is fairly brief, and I'll read it to you.

986
01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:32,580
A, notwithstanding any other provision of law, each county, city, district, or other

987
01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:35,580
local government, and intelligence, you may determine all of the following.

988
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,700
One, aspects of solid waste handling, which are of local concern, including but not limited

989
01:23:41,700 --> 01:23:48,000
to preconceived collection, means of collection and transportation, level of services,

990
01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:54,120
charges in fees and nature, location, and extent of providing solid waste, handling services.

991
01:23:55,540 --> 01:24:02,220
Two, and this is most your main two, this afternoon's discussion, whether the services

992
01:24:02,220 --> 01:24:08,820
are to be provided by means of non-exclusive franchise, contract, license, permit, or otherwise,

993
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:15,060
either with or without competitive bidding, and I'll repeat that for emphasis because that's

994
01:24:15,060 --> 01:24:20,480
the question most frequently asked, either with or without competitive bidding, or if,

995
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:25,920
in the opinion of its governing body, the public health safety and well-being so require

996
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:32,980
by partially exclusive or wholly exclusive franchise contract license permit or otherwise,

997
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:40,120
either with or without competitive bidding. So twice in that article was general law, which

998
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:45,320
those applied to the city in this instance, says that the decision can be made either with

999
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:49,800
or without competitive bidding, and also gives to the governing body, in this case, the

1000
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:59,270
mayor and council of the authority, to address this issue by partially exclusive or holy

1001
01:24:59,270 --> 01:25:04,470
exclusive franchise contract license, permit or otherwise, either with or without competitive

1002
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:04,890
bidding.

1003
01:25:05,130 --> 01:25:10,530
Going on and section B, nothing in this division modifies or abrogates in any manner, either

1004
01:25:10,530 --> 01:25:12,810
the following. One.

1005
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,640
Oh, I'll wait here on there. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm Council's Attention

1006
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:24,360
being distracted by some noise and movement in the back of the room. I believe, I believe

1007
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:30,400
we have our attention. Okay. Nothing in this division modifies or advocates in any manner

1008
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:35,200
either the following. One. Any franchise previously granted, or extended by any county or

1009
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:40,580
other local government agency, two. Any contract license or any permit to collect solid

1010
01:25:40,580 --> 01:25:44,140
waste produced a granite or extended by a city-county or city-in-county.

1011
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:52,350
Although neither the charter nor state law requires that the city

1012
01:25:52,970 --> 01:25:59,210
send out for bids or send out an RFP, it is the recommendation and was the

1013
01:25:59,210 --> 01:26:02,290
recommendation of the city-count of the city attorney's office,

1014
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:09,990
that we send out an RFP and accept proposals, not bids, but proposals.

1015
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:15,650
And we did that primarily because of the city being in bankruptcy.

1016
01:26:17,290 --> 01:26:25,650
And the mayor and council and their wisdom gave some directions to both the city manager and the city attorney

1017
01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:31,810
as to what it was they were interested in primarily managed competition.

1018
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:39,970
and other matters that are in any proposed city council responses to Sloan Voskis.

1019
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:46,450
There is one other matter that I want to address that we became officially aware of last week,

1020
01:26:46,690 --> 01:26:54,590
although we had suspected it for some time, and had been given information from former Refuge Department employees.

1021
01:26:55,930 --> 01:27:07,890
The refuse fund is a restricted fund, and it is a fund that is not to be used for purposes

1022
01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:13,630
other than refuse purposes, and it is a fund that is governed in our opinion by Proposition

1023
01:27:13,630 --> 01:27:14,610
to 18.

1024
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:25,540
However, the refuse fund we were informed at the outset of the information discovery that led

1025
01:27:25,540 --> 01:27:39,790
of the Bankruptcy Petition, the Refuge Fund, had been used to reimburse the city for certain

1026
01:27:39,790 --> 01:27:41,910
expenditures from the General Fund.

1027
01:27:43,970 --> 01:27:52,580
And the total amount of that money on an annual basis we were informed was, has been,

1028
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,580
and is, between $11 and $12 million per annum.

1029
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:06,260
In conversations with the city manager and looking back at the transfers of funds over the last many years,

1030
01:28:07,780 --> 01:28:13,060
it's apparent that the refuse fund has been operating at a deficit.

1031
01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:16,720
There are two factors.

1032
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:22,320
One is the collection rate that is charged to customers.

1033
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:29,640
The other is the fact that the Refuge Fund has, the

1034
01:28:32,010 --> 01:28:39,890
fact that money from the Refuge Fund has been transferred to the General Fund to the tune of about 11 to 12 million dollars a year.

1035
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:44,670
How does this impact the agenda item before you?

1036
01:28:48,430 --> 01:28:57,330
Again, in discussions with the city manager, I believe we've concluded and she can speak for herself as she disagrees with this statement.

1037
01:28:58,190 --> 01:29:06,530
But I believe we've concluded that it would make no sense to outsource

1038
01:29:06,530 --> 01:29:14,650
reviews from the city's perspective unless the city in the outsourcing

1039
01:29:14,650 --> 01:29:19,250
or in the franchising was able to recoup that same $11 million.

1040
01:29:20,450 --> 01:29:30,810
In other words, in order to make it worthwhile for the taxpayers to have refuse outsourced

1041
01:29:30,810 --> 01:29:38,410
or to have refuse franchise out, whatever term you want to use to describe the process

1042
01:29:38,410 --> 01:29:47,810
that we are going through, it would be a negative for the city if the city did not receive

1043
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:55,770
return that $11 million minimum and sometimes it's gone as high as 12 that the city's

1044
01:29:55,770 --> 01:29:58,890
general fund has been receiving for many years.

1045
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:12,560
With that in mind, some changes were made to the request for proposals, and some of those are indicated

1046
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:19,340
in the proposed seat council responses, which I understood one of the council members was going

1047
01:30:19,340 --> 01:30:24,320
to go into, and I would defer to them if they're not going to, and I will be glad to read it.

1048
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:50,060
I'm going to take the lead here as we engage in this conversation and indicate that we have received this plate morning from the city manager, a memorandum, and attached to that is a memorandum from Sloan Vaskers, a consulting firm that we've engaged to assist us in the development of the RSP for solid waste management.

1049
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:52,880
The pressure may or we haven't engaged in the impact.

1050
01:30:53,580 --> 01:31:02,540
Let me read in this entirety, the memorandum from the city manager and the responsive memorandum from Sloan Vaskers.

1051
01:31:03,260 --> 01:31:05,820
Mayor, the public should know that we didn't receive this.

1052
01:31:05,820 --> 01:31:08,300
The Council Office didn't receive until 1220.

1053
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:13,740
Attached is a memorandum from Joe Sloan and the Ricky Vaskers of Sloan Vaskers, LLC.

1054
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:18,520
Sloan Vaskers LLC is a consulting firm, engaged to assist the city.

1055
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,160
in the preparation of the request for the proposals are at P.

1056
01:31:22,540 --> 01:31:26,520
The first solid waste collection, the disposal services in Mr. Sloan, and Mr. Vesquez reviewed,

1057
01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:28,580
and evaluated the draft RFP.

1058
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:33,320
That's the one that you see in your agenda item prepared largely by Mr. Pimman and his staff,

1059
01:31:34,460 --> 01:31:37,360
which is included in the Sievings Agenda as item A,

1060
01:31:37,860 --> 01:31:40,040
and identified provisions for further clarification.

1061
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:45,920
The purpose in providing clarity in the RFP is to ensure bidders have adequate information

1062
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:51,480
on the city's existing Refuge Collection System, including clients and account information,

1063
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:57,600
rates, tonnaged data, and leases to determine and dissipated operating costs.

1064
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:03,240
It is also necessary to identify the city's expectations related to the term of the agreement.

1065
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:08,660
The rates, additional costs and fees to be paid by the bidders, and service areas.

1066
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,300
This information will enable the bidders to provide.

1067
01:32:11,300 --> 01:32:14,860
And I'm sorry, I have to interrupt you sir, you read something that isn't in the memorandum.

1068
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:19,780
And that is, you said it was prepared by Mr. Pendant and his staff, I don't see that in the memorandum.

1069
01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:22,840
That was an editorial comment, which I think is.

1070
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,140
So you're not reading the memorandum sir, you read the memorandum.

1071
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:31,280
I just want the public to know that the mayor is not reading word for word from the memorandum.

1072
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:39,620
The draft RIP is the draft RIP large of the chupas in it to me on August 4th, and told me that day that if this did not go out the next day,

1073
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,540
that nothing we go forward serve.

1074
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:48,080
You already had an RFP prepared, apparently in consult with, I don't know, whom, but you

1075
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:48,800
had one.

1076
01:32:49,340 --> 01:32:51,520
And why should we, what we have here is that CMARFP?

1077
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:51,860
No, sir.

1078
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:52,860
It is not my fault.

1079
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:53,520
It is not my fault.

1080
01:32:53,860 --> 01:32:55,840
In any event, let me finish, please.

1081
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:56,520
Please do.

1082
01:32:56,660 --> 01:33:00,100
This information will enable the better to provide the city with realistic proposals.

1083
01:33:00,820 --> 01:33:05,260
On Mr. Sloan and Mr. Vescaz indicate, approximately four to six weeks would be needed

1084
01:33:05,260 --> 01:33:06,920
together to that are required.

1085
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:13,540
The company recognizes a need to expedite this process in order to meet the Council's September

1086
01:33:13,540 --> 01:33:19,260
5th direction that the RFPB presented for approval at the October 1st 2012 meeting.

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01:33:19,820 --> 01:33:22,600
It is recommended that the City Council, the Director of the City Manager, addressed

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01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:28,580
the 14 points, raised in the memorandum provided by Sloan Vascals LLC, prior to the

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01:33:28,580 --> 01:33:29,340
issue in the RFP.

1090
01:33:29,460 --> 01:33:33,720
And this is the memorandum from Sloan Vascals, a subject review of the City's request

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01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:34,300
for proposals.

1092
01:33:34,300 --> 01:33:39,860
We have reviewed the current draft of the city's request for proposals for solid-wish collection,

1093
01:33:40,380 --> 01:33:45,740
receiving processing transfer and disposal services that was prepared in response to the city council

1094
01:33:45,740 --> 01:33:51,380
direction of the city manager, and city attorney during December 4th, 2012, council meeting.

1095
01:33:51,380 --> 01:33:57,140
Point of order, Mayor. How do we have a memorandum from a company we have not yet hired?

1096
01:33:57,740 --> 01:34:00,540
I'm going to finish. Mr. Chairman, can you give me a question?

1097
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:01,840
I'd like to know the answer.

1098
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:07,060
In addition, the latest version of the RFP, while it lightly moves the city toward outsourcing

1099
01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:11,940
its waste management division, follows short of what is needed in order to attract

1100
01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:15,720
the highest and best offers for the city's most valuable public asset.

1101
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:22,020
The RFP state of purpose is, quote, to attract experienced applicants, qualified to provide

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01:34:22,020 --> 01:34:26,000
the city with the following exclusive solid waste services in quote.

1103
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:32,300
However, the RFP has drafted lives and important features that will make it impossible for qualified

1104
01:34:32,300 --> 01:34:35,780
bidders to prepare and submit a bona fide proposal.

1105
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:41,200
To evaluate the draft RFP, we identified provisions in the RFP that were incomplete,

1106
01:34:42,300 --> 01:34:43,980
contradictory or lacking clarity.

1107
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:50,020
In addition, we looked for standard provisions that are in RFP's for municipal solid-way

1108
01:34:50,020 --> 01:34:53,300
services that are not included in the draft RFP as prepared.

1109
01:34:53,300 --> 01:35:00,260
We base our assessment on 30 years of experience in municipal solid waste procurement processes in the state of California.

1110
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:06,720
20 of those years were spent in private sector responding to municipal RFPs and for the past ten years,

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01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:13,120
we've assisted municipal agencies with procurement processes to help them secure the best possible services

1112
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,080
and revenues from their municipal solid waste.

1113
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:22,800
In our opinion, it is important to include as much information as possible in the RFP concerning

1114
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:29,060
the city's operations, so that proposals have a basis for preparing a realistic, proposal

1115
01:35:29,060 --> 01:35:34,520
based on specific information, realistically it will require four to six weeks together

1116
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:39,060
and include all the data and other information that should be included in the RFP.

1117
01:35:39,900 --> 01:35:46,620
commentary on the provisions of the draft RFP 1. The RFP uses the phrase, quote, trial period

1118
01:35:46,620 --> 01:35:52,240
lasting a number of years, to be negotiated in quote. In order for proposals to calculate

1119
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:56,800
the return on investment or payback, it is important for them to know the term of the agreement.

1120
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:02,800
If the RFP does not provide a term, it will be impossible to conduct an apples to apples

1121
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:07,480
comparison of proposals as they will range in a number of years proposed.

1122
01:36:08,740 --> 01:36:14,000
Two, the RFP states that it contemplates providing a city into two solid waste collection

1123
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:14,580
zones.

1124
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,520
The RFP provides no indication of how to divide the city.

1125
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:23,840
Proposals cannot bid on an unknown service area, and without customer flash account and

1126
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:28,180
punished data for the service area, they have no idea of their operating cost.

1127
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:34,300
The mayor and council will review and select the most qualified responsible bidders for the project.

1128
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,540
The RFP does not provide an evaluation criteria.

1129
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:43,900
The evaluation criteria are important to establish a city's standard for evaluation and ranking of the proposals.

1130
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,580
For, ability to purchase and or assume any lease agreements.

1131
01:36:50,540 --> 01:36:52,860
For all city-solid waste collections, vehicles and equipment.

1132
01:36:52,860 --> 01:37:00,500
In order to respond with a bono fide proposal, the proposals that the proposals need, an equipment

1133
01:37:00,500 --> 01:37:06,560
list describing the equipment type, make, model, year, and financial obligation in addition

1134
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:11,160
to the abstract, least data, actual copies of the leases must be provided.

1135
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:12,240
5.

1136
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:18,840
Higher all qualified municipal solid wage to increase sweeping employees to include A, seniority,

1137
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:20,360
B wages, C benefits.

1138
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:26,020
This is a huge expense in order to commit to commit to it, proposes need to fully understand

1139
01:37:26,020 --> 01:37:30,140
the obligation, is it just for the drivers or does it include every Department of

1140
01:37:30,140 --> 01:37:35,040
Employee, a listing of employees to be hired, including their compensation and description

1141
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,220
of the required benefits should be provided.

1142
01:37:39,140 --> 01:37:47,260
Pay a minimum monthly franchise fee of at least $750,000, set amount to increase proportionally

1143
01:37:47,260 --> 01:37:51,000
within the increase in rates or increased recyclable profits.

1144
01:37:51,940 --> 01:37:56,040
The ISWD generates about $24 million per year.

1145
01:37:56,780 --> 01:38:03,800
A franchise C fee of $700,000 per month would equal $9 million per year,

1146
01:38:03,980 --> 01:38:06,920
or a 37.5 percent of total revenues.

1147
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:11,720
Typically, franchise fees range from 5 to 15 percent,

1148
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:12,580
some are higher.

1149
01:38:13,300 --> 01:38:14,880
If the service rates are not raised,

1150
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:21,400
It is unlikely that a company could be profitable after paying a $9,000,000 annual franchise fee.

1151
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:22,140
7.

1152
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:28,120
Pay to city 50% of any money is recovered related to recyclables.

1153
01:38:28,820 --> 01:38:32,940
The procedure for calculating the 50% needs to be clearly defined,

1154
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:36,140
needs to be clearly defined to avoid disagreements in the future.

1155
01:38:37,460 --> 01:38:42,700
Is the 50% to be calculated based on the value of recyclable after processing cost?

1156
01:38:42,700 --> 01:38:45,700
after residual materials have been deducted?

1157
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:46,880
8.

1158
01:38:47,740 --> 01:38:51,840
Implement the city's current collection service provider franchise fee program.

1159
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:56,660
Is this an addition to the $750,000 monthly requirement?

1160
01:38:57,660 --> 01:39:03,720
This program needs to be explained so that the proposal understands what obligations it is committing to.

1161
01:39:04,100 --> 01:39:10,840
9. Ability to assume the city's current breaks schedule with no proposed increase for the period of the agreement.

1162
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:17,100
Since the term of the agreement has not been stated, the proposal does not know the time frame

1163
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:20,200
they are committing to, not increasing service fees.

1164
01:39:20,540 --> 01:39:24,820
If the agreement is to be, for more than two years, it is unreasonable to expect that a

1165
01:39:24,820 --> 01:39:28,560
proposal can commit to no written increases for longer periods of time.

1166
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:35,680
Seficient capacity and, quote, use rights in, quote, to a permitted materials recovered

1167
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:42,100
facility, MRF, able to receive all waste generated within city and look at it within 12

1168
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:49,140
mile radius of the city yards, which is a 234 South Mountain View Avenue. Qualified companies

1169
01:39:49,140 --> 01:39:55,980
are located outside the 12 mile radius. 11. Please, if desired, portions of the city's corporate

1170
01:39:55,980 --> 01:40:03,120
yards, slage, or garage base, and slage or fueling stations. Describes that is facilities

1171
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:08,440
are available for lease, i.e. truck parking, Ben's storage area, shop facilities, maintenance

1172
01:40:08,440 --> 01:40:12,420
shop, offices, employee services area, restaurants, etc.

1173
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:19,520
12. Insurance and bomb requirements. The RFP states an insurance requirement of a million dollars

1174
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:25,620
combined single limit and statutory workers compensation coverage. In standard RFP is a

1175
01:40:25,620 --> 01:40:30,600
requirements range from 10 million to 20 million dollars. The bond amount should also be

1176
01:40:31,480 --> 01:40:38,740
13. Application applicants must clearly identify any exceptions to the proposal. This

1177
01:40:38,740 --> 01:40:45,760
language usually refers to exceptions to the graph service contract, a which a graph

1178
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:51,160
is typically distributed along with the RFP. It is standard practice to distribute a

1179
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:57,020
graph service contract contemporaneously with the release of the RFP. This allows the

1180
01:40:57,020 --> 01:41:00,700
proposals to understand the scope of services and other commitments

1181
01:41:00,700 --> 01:41:04,660
expected by the city and affords the proposals and opportunity

1182
01:41:04,660 --> 01:41:09,020
to state if they take in the exceptions to the proposed provisions.

1183
01:41:09,860 --> 01:41:12,800
Releasing an RFP without a draft service contract,

1184
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:17,880
solicit a significant disadvantage in the final negotiation.

1185
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:23,520
14 is selected applicants will be required to deposit and then

1186
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:29,280
no figure stated, deposit x amount with the city within 15 days of the war of the contract.

1187
01:41:30,140 --> 01:41:36,300
It is unclear if this requirement is related to a bond or a signing fee, and either case,

1188
01:41:36,660 --> 01:41:38,660
the amount should be stated.

1189
01:41:39,220 --> 01:41:47,700
Those are the concerns identified by the experts who are working with us on this proposed RFP.

1190
01:41:47,820 --> 01:41:48,520
Mr. Mayor?

1191
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:50,000
Yes, Mr. Kelly.

1192
01:41:50,900 --> 01:41:58,800
Thank you very much for walking us all through that memo, and I know that when a

1193
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:04,740
attempt to answer the question that was raised, I believe we do have slum and Vazquez

1194
01:42:04,740 --> 01:42:09,540
under contract currently with the city manager when it's about $25,000 a

1195
01:42:09,540 --> 01:42:09,760
amount.

1196
01:42:10,060 --> 01:42:14,200
We had discussed doing a contract under $25,000, but we realized that that would really

1197
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,740
only obtain us the services of development of the RFP.

1198
01:42:18,740 --> 01:42:24,060
We think it's critical that we have them for the full implementation and negotiation of the contracts and things like that.

1199
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:27,560
So you do have an agenda item before you that would place a cap on that of $50,000.

1200
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:35,560
Sloan Vaskas did provide a initial contract to us again for under that $25,000 amount, but it was very limited in terms of its scope of what they could do.

1201
01:42:35,900 --> 01:42:37,460
On another note that I just want to clarify,

1202
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:42,320
the company has been willing to assist us recognizing our financial situation.

1203
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,740
They actually reached out to us when they heard the city hit foul bankruptcy.

1204
01:42:45,740 --> 01:42:52,100
I didn't think about it until the council started pursuing this as a potential alternative for us and

1205
01:42:52,100 --> 01:43:00,120
Because of the short time frame we did reach out to them. They've attended some meetings for us really no cost just clarifying the understanding and things that nature

1206
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:03,140
And then if I could just clarify a couple of other things

1207
01:43:03,140 --> 01:43:10,280
Information was requested from public words. This is information that our public work staff is very well aware would be needed for any kind of a request for proposal

1208
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:15,200
for currently in the process of collecting that data and providing it in the manner that is

1209
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:19,000
usable by the potential bidders because a lot of the data we collect really doesn't have

1210
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:22,320
any meaning unless you're used to our programs and things of that nature.

1211
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:28,240
And then with respect to the funding, it's been upwards of 11 million dollars that does include

1212
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:33,500
things that are truly legitimate cost related to the refuse operation, fuel and fleet and things

1213
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:34,000
like that.

1214
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:38,600
But there are some costs where we feel that we need to do a nexus analysis to determine

1215
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:42,200
whether or not that really is an appropriate use of refuse funding.

1216
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,860
So we're in the process of analyzing all those things now,

1217
01:43:44,900 --> 01:43:47,080
but the $11 million includes even their

1218
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,800
proportional share of various costs, citywide.

1219
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:52,160
Thank you, Madam City Manager.

1220
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:59,160
First and foremost, what I have is a deep concern regarding our employees.

1221
01:43:59,960 --> 01:44:03,620
And that's why I mentioned in the proposed language.

1222
01:44:04,620 --> 01:44:08,400
And I know some will say that when we've already had this RFP

1223
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:13,220
work out, or it's already in mind before we went forward, you have to start somewhere, and

1224
01:44:13,220 --> 01:44:18,440
you have to give direction the staff, and that's what I did, should include is what I said.

1225
01:44:18,820 --> 01:44:25,180
And you've done pretty good job of kind of getting this where we thought we were going

1226
01:44:25,180 --> 01:44:28,200
with the intent of what's before us now.

1227
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:34,400
But I do have concerns for the employees, really they're kind of in limbo right now.

1228
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,940
Are we going to do anything or we're not going to do anything?

1229
01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:41,840
I would again say let's get this RFP out quickly.

1230
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:47,340
As soon as we get this RFP out, then they will know what is going to happen to them.

1231
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:49,780
Right now they just don't know.

1232
01:44:50,180 --> 01:44:55,120
And the longer we delay, you know, it's a incredible burden that's on them.

1233
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:59,900
And I can speak from experience because I don't know what's going to happen in my private life after November.

1234
01:45:00,050 --> 01:45:17,750
So I clearly understand the stress that's on them. However, I want to say that there were 14 recommended things. And I think we may have a way of resolving some of those issues.

1235
01:45:19,250 --> 01:45:25,590
And I'll go through them one through 14, but mine will be very brief.

1236
01:45:26,610 --> 01:45:33,290
And for those on the dias who have them unfortunately, those in the public without restating

1237
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:36,410
what the mayor has said regarding number item number one.

1238
01:45:36,570 --> 01:45:38,810
And Mr. Kelly, they are on the website as well.

1239
01:45:39,290 --> 01:45:40,610
Okay, thank you.

1240
01:45:40,610 --> 01:45:47,890
On item number one, we can retain the phrase, trial period, last and a number of years to be negotiated.

1241
01:45:49,150 --> 01:45:57,010
And if you're permit me to say at this point in time, the RFP proposal is a request for proposal.

1242
01:45:59,030 --> 01:46:07,270
Once we go out with that, it is not the final agreement. The final agreement is done through the attorneys.

1243
01:46:07,810 --> 01:46:32,610
And I know, and to a year, and attorney, so you understand that, you know, attorneys will go through those, line by line, all sides will go through, we could have multiple people answering the request for proposals, and it's the mayor and council and my colleagues, the council will ultimately determine what is acceptable in the agreement.

1244
01:46:33,730 --> 01:46:46,610
So I want to make clear that this is only a request for proposal, there's a lot of negotiating that needs to be done in order to protect the city, our assets, and the employees.

1245
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:53,250
The, regarding number one, retain the phrase, trial period, lasted a number of years and that can be negotiated.

1246
01:46:54,150 --> 01:47:00,030
And the Marin Common Council desires that the response to the RP proposed the length of the trial period

1247
01:47:00,030 --> 01:47:03,790
and state their reasons for the proposed length of the trial period.

1248
01:47:04,510 --> 01:47:05,850
They state it.

1249
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:14,570
Two, retain the language of the city contemplates dividing the city into two solid waste collections zones.

1250
01:47:14,570 --> 01:47:23,730
And, add the words, the location of said zones to be proposed in the RFP response on

1251
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:27,660
out of number three.

1252
01:47:27,980 --> 01:47:33,320
Noting that there is no legal requirement for competitive bidding for integrated waste

1253
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:40,800
management franchise and the public resource code 4059 which I believe the city attorney

1254
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:48,560
read in earlier, the Council members will use their best judgment and discretion in the review

1255
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:53,220
and evaluation of the proposals on the merit of each proposal.

1256
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,820
And there will be no ranking on the selection process.

1257
01:47:58,540 --> 01:48:01,360
And we do that routinely.

1258
01:48:06,900 --> 01:48:11,900
If you all permit me, I just want to make sure that we're got everyone's attention and

1259
01:48:11,900 --> 01:48:13,120
sometimes there's chatter.

1260
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:23,500
Number four, the city manager to provide the equipment list and

1261
01:48:23,500 --> 01:48:28,640
you indicated that you would do that. As previously requested of the public works department

1262
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:35,560
by the city attorney's office for inclusion in the RFP. Again, I think everybody's

1263
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:43,000
kind on the same page here. Number five, if the city manager to provide the list of employee

1264
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:50,840
positions as previously requested of the Public Works Department by the Attorney's Office to

1265
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:59,420
be included in the RFP. Now, I indicated early on collection from my first motion,

1266
01:49:01,780 --> 01:49:02,500
mid-management,

1267
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,940
I included everybody. So I think that's something that we can do,

1268
01:49:08,580 --> 01:49:09,480
which may include

1269
01:49:09,480 --> 01:49:10,620
street sweeping

1270
01:49:12,830 --> 01:49:23,390
out of number six. And this one I think that we should limit the franchise

1271
01:49:24,570 --> 01:49:29,150
fee. What I mean is what we should be doing is we shouldn't have a dollar amount in there.

1272
01:49:30,410 --> 01:49:36,650
Heck, maybe the dollar amount that's in this RFB is too low. We might want to get more. So,

1273
01:49:36,750 --> 01:49:41,090
let's leave that open and leave that up to negotiations. Let's not, let's not sell

1274
01:49:41,090 --> 01:49:41,890
of short,

1275
01:49:44,060 --> 01:49:48,980
this no minimum franchise fee. That's all. I'll be worked out through the negotiation

1276
01:49:48,980 --> 01:49:56,820
process. We don't know. Maybe it's under. Maybe it's more. We don't know. Number seven.

1277
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:00,060
Yeah, this

1278
01:50:00,060 --> 01:50:04,460
is the 50% or correct contract formula, whichever is higher.

1279
01:50:07,860 --> 01:50:08,680
And this addresses,

1280
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:15,000
this

1281
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:22,940
Number 8, to be negotiated, the Collection Service Provider Franchise V program, to be negotiated.

1282
01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:31,190
Number 9, let's negotiate again at the current rate schedule.

1283
01:50:35,500 --> 01:50:36,220
Number 10,

1284
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:44,660
to retain the 12-mile requirement in the MRF.

1285
01:50:44,660 --> 01:50:50,760
in the murder and the radius that entire radius number 11

1286
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:55,080
the city manager to

1287
01:50:55,080 --> 01:51:03,460
provide the list with descriptions of city facilities to the leases that we

1288
01:51:03,460 --> 01:51:09,640
previously requested from the public works department for inclusion in the RFP

1289
01:51:12,810 --> 01:51:13,150
and

1290
01:51:13,150 --> 01:51:19,530
Mr. with me right madam city manager and at this addresses the concerns of

1291
01:51:19,530 --> 01:51:21,530
professional that you brought in.

1292
01:51:23,330 --> 01:51:25,930
If we could address insurance and bond requirements.

1293
01:51:26,430 --> 01:51:27,710
I'm working my way down.

1294
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:32,630
12 insurance requirement of $15 million.

1295
01:51:35,150 --> 01:51:37,510
That's kind of the middle of where your professionals are talking.

1296
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:43,370
And that the bond amount be terminated by the city manager in the city attorney.

1297
01:51:46,890 --> 01:51:47,830
Number 13.

1298
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:51,110
The bond by the way would be to cover one of those things the liability of the city.

1299
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:51,730
Certainly.

1300
01:51:52,650 --> 01:52:02,190
Which are fair things that your acts were pointed out that are in here now, but I want to make sure that, as we, well as finish these last out here, if we would please.

1301
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:14,490
13, and the contract will be negotiated with a successful provider and provide hours, because we don't know where we're going to end up at.

1302
01:52:16,340 --> 01:52:29,340
and 14, which is for those who are following at home, if selected the applicant will be required to deposit within the city within 15 days of the award of the contract.

1303
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:37,620
Well, let that be determined as we go through the negotiation process by the city manager in the city attorney's office.

1304
01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:47,540
At the end of the day, whatever RFP's go out, request for quotes, request for proposals, whatever

1305
01:52:47,540 --> 01:52:54,900
we negotiate as a municipality, it is reviewed by the city attorney and the city manager's office.

1306
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:56,460
That was the direction.

1307
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:03,020
We got really close with the RFP we had that came forth.

1308
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:06,020
I think it was well done and thank you.

1309
01:53:06,020 --> 01:53:12,420
Some issues and concerns were raised today, we're able to address those concerns and issues.

1310
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:24,370
And I'm going to share that I am extremely glad Mr. Mayor that you read these into the record on Sloan Vanskis.

1311
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:30,590
It it shareles to me and once again that you were serious about public private partnerships,

1312
01:53:31,330 --> 01:53:35,430
as you indicated in your state of the city address, as you indicated here on the Dias.

1313
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:38,910
and that you're in support of the idea.

1314
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:47,880
I'm going to remind the council that ultimately it's going to come back to us.

1315
01:53:48,260 --> 01:53:51,500
Tonight's action all we're doing is sending the request out.

1316
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:52,660
Maybe nobody replies.

1317
01:53:55,610 --> 01:54:00,750
But we have talked at length about the WDA, the waste delivery agreement with the county.

1318
01:54:01,670 --> 01:54:10,670
We have talked at length about the need for this city to look at.

1319
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:15,190
The revenue is coming in, and the expenditure is going out.

1320
01:54:16,530 --> 01:54:21,290
This is an opportunity for us to just begin the process.

1321
01:54:22,270 --> 01:54:25,390
Mindful by all, which is included in the RFP.

1322
01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:29,950
Again, I address today, and I'm sure others will, of our employees.

1323
01:54:31,230 --> 01:54:37,970
But we must look at opportunities with public private partnerships,

1324
01:54:37,970 --> 01:54:44,650
or no one is going to be employed, and the services will not be provided to our residents.

1325
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:53,420
And I want to urge my colleagues tonight, just to support this, to go forward.

1326
01:54:56,500 --> 01:55:02,280
We can't keep the employees in limbo, they don't know what's going on, they've got concerns,

1327
01:55:03,140 --> 01:55:11,540
fears, the unknown, let's get the RP out on the street, so they know what's going to be

1328
01:55:11,540 --> 01:55:18,420
happening so we can manage better. We know what we're going to be doing with our public

1329
01:55:18,420 --> 01:55:25,800
private partnership opportunities that may or may not work out for us. But folks, what

1330
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:33,480
are we afraid of? What are we afraid of? Let's move forward and let the attorneys,

1331
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:38,940
city manager, and this consultant that we were able to address a lot of their concerns

1332
01:55:38,940 --> 01:55:46,400
tonight. Get this worked out. I strongly urge that we move forward with this.

1333
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:51,900
Mr. Mayor. Thank you. I have a hand from Mr. McKamick and McGill too.

1334
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:53,080
Well, I'm not sure who got the hand.

1335
01:55:53,420 --> 01:55:54,460
I asked you.

1336
01:55:54,660 --> 01:55:56,500
Okay, then Mr. Sharet, and then.

1337
01:55:56,940 --> 01:55:58,720
And then could you put me on the list, please, Mayor?

1338
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:00,820
Thank you, Mr. McKamick.

1339
01:56:02,020 --> 01:56:05,900
Thank you. Mr. Kelly, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1340
01:56:06,260 --> 01:56:06,940
Thank you, Mr. McKamick.

1341
01:56:06,940 --> 01:56:15,640
And for making sure that the Council based on the direction a meeting ago had some response

1342
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:22,600
because it's been difficult to get response to Council action, even to an affirmative

1343
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:27,500
vote of at least for people up here to see something actually come forward.

1344
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:29,500
I'm not blaming anybody.

1345
01:56:29,700 --> 01:56:34,840
I'm just saying I am glad that some action at least came forward so we could open the discussion.

1346
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:42,240
I need to remind my colleagues and the city manager because in the front of your memo, you call

1347
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:43,540
these people bidders.

1348
01:56:44,460 --> 01:56:47,160
These are proposals to a plan.

1349
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:56,140
They are not bidding yet, so I think that word needs to be corrected into the record.

1350
01:56:56,540 --> 01:57:00,000
This council member, I want on the record, is not interested in selling the asset.

1351
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:01,660
The asset belongs to the taxpayer.

1352
01:57:04,730 --> 01:57:12,730
I'm also not interested in seeing the employees get dwindled down by selling the asset, which

1353
01:57:12,730 --> 01:57:20,610
is why I have on the agenda of the next agenda item, agenda item number 8B, which includes

1354
01:57:20,610 --> 01:57:29,810
number 6, that no refuser sewer employees protected by civil service will be cut until we

1355
01:57:29,810 --> 01:57:37,130
full accounting of how those monies have gone in and gone out and will get to that the next agenda item.

1356
01:57:37,850 --> 01:57:47,770
But I am very concerned that the consultants is calling this bidding for services.

1357
01:57:49,350 --> 01:57:55,890
And the mayor did read the first number one on their commentary, calling it apples to apples

1358
01:57:55,890 --> 01:57:57,730
comparison of proposals,

1359
01:58:00,170 --> 01:58:02,250
apples to apples to mean means

1360
01:58:04,300 --> 01:58:07,860
when you go and buy apples, you say,

1361
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:17,560
I want this kind of apple, I want this many, I want this many for bushel, and I want to know

1362
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:24,560
what the cost is to deliver that bushel or those number of bushel, that's apples to apples.

1363
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:30,520
as opposed to I want to read delicious but you know what I'm willing to accept a golden

1364
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:36,080
golden delicious. That's a difference between apples and apples. This is not a product.

1365
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:49,180
This is a proposal and I want proposals to throw the kitchen sink at us. Maybe they say

1366
01:58:49,180 --> 01:58:52,340
We don't want to franchise with you.

1367
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:58,300
Your enterprises doing such a wonderful job making so much money for the city

1368
01:58:58,300 --> 01:59:00,720
it'd be foolish for you to do anything different.

1369
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:06,700
I want them to tell us, I am certainly not going to accept something

1370
01:59:06,700 --> 01:59:10,900
that is not going to at least replace the revenues and services

1371
01:59:10,900 --> 01:59:15,620
that have been funded by the refuse department.

1372
01:59:15,620 --> 01:59:19,240
And let's go a sewer in for that matter, because the same is occurred.

1373
01:59:20,100 --> 01:59:21,520
But to me, that's apples to apples.

1374
01:59:21,980 --> 01:59:23,120
I don't want apples to apples.

1375
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:26,820
I want the kitchen sink in terms of proposals.

1376
01:59:29,380 --> 01:59:33,120
I also want to make sure that we're getting the best possible proposal,

1377
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:36,820
making sure that they are taking into consideration,

1378
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:38,980
taking care of the employees,

1379
01:59:40,620 --> 01:59:43,460
and that they put their best possible proposal on the table.

1380
01:59:44,220 --> 01:59:51,940
All right, done in a way that this company suggests allows companies to do exactly what they always do.

1381
01:59:52,700 --> 01:59:57,580
We know how company A always bids out bids us by this much money.

1382
01:59:57,580 --> 01:59:59,980
We know how company did be.

1383
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:13,420
We then undercuts us by this amount of money and then throws in this extra. They all know how this works. All of these bidders and all of these companies have been doing this for many, many, many years long before we even talked about this.

1384
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:21,340
And they go from city to city doing this exact same thing. So when you lay all these specifics out in a request for a proposal,

1385
02:00:23,940 --> 02:00:29,880
they know who's going to get it long before we do. If it's based solely on the amount of money that they suggest.

1386
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:32,940
We are not selling the asset,

1387
02:00:37,210 --> 02:00:42,410
you know, I want them to throw creativity into this document.

1388
02:00:42,630 --> 02:00:48,490
I want them to throw out of the box thinking into this document, and if they don't,

1389
02:00:49,230 --> 02:00:54,270
then the ability to get the best possible deal for this city is washed.

1390
02:00:54,610 --> 02:01:00,410
When you get to the specifics that this company has asked us to get to,

1391
02:01:00,410 --> 02:01:07,370
We do not want a bid and we do not want to put a contract out there in terms of a sample contract.

1392
02:01:07,510 --> 02:01:10,870
That is against what I think this council is trying to accomplish.

1393
02:01:11,830 --> 02:01:15,350
And I don't want to even suggest what a sample contract might be.

1394
02:01:15,610 --> 02:01:21,490
Until we get at least two or three proposals so we can see exactly what it is that the best deal will provide.

1395
02:01:24,250 --> 02:01:25,130
And finally,

1396
02:01:27,550 --> 02:01:34,070
responsible proposals come back to this council, and when responsible proposals

1397
02:01:34,070 --> 02:01:38,570
come back to the council, then all of those thoughts can be drilled down, all of those

1398
02:01:38,570 --> 02:01:40,470
all of that creativity can be drilled down.

1399
02:01:41,850 --> 02:01:48,390
We then get to decide which ones we want to talk to, which ones we want to negotiate with,

1400
02:01:48,670 --> 02:01:52,210
and which ones we don't, and I could tell you right now, those that aren't willing to step

1401
02:01:52,210 --> 02:01:55,750
up to the plate and take care of the employees, I'm not willing to negotiate with.

1402
02:01:56,790 --> 02:02:03,510
So this, what Sloan Vaskas has discussed is actually going out and selling the asset.

1403
02:02:04,070 --> 02:02:05,730
We are not doing that.

1404
02:02:06,050 --> 02:02:10,110
So I get where their, their expert advice has come from.

1405
02:02:10,530 --> 02:02:15,490
And maybe they were led to believe by staff that we were looking to sell the asset.

1406
02:02:16,550 --> 02:02:18,510
That was not the vote that I cast.

1407
02:02:18,510 --> 02:02:34,690
And that said, again, this is a request for a proposal as what we can possibly do with an asset that has some ability to actually create some revenue that they're already creating.

1408
02:02:36,750 --> 02:02:48,580
And so Mr. Mayor, if there's any other comments or suggestions as to how this suggestion by Mr. Kelly,

1409
02:02:48,580 --> 02:02:55,420
needs to be adjusted or amended. I would go ahead and make that motion that he has read from.

1410
02:02:58,260 --> 02:02:59,040
Other discussion?

1411
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:01,200
To sure.

1412
02:03:05,870 --> 02:03:13,830
I believe that this discussion all started about or we needed to begin this discussion

1413
02:03:13,830 --> 02:03:18,070
because of our WDA ending in June.

1414
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:24,010
then add the bank, I mean, no, it's January, it's December 31st, January 1st.

1415
02:03:24,130 --> 02:03:31,530
We have to do something with our trash, because we will no longer, if we don't agree to extend

1416
02:03:31,530 --> 02:03:38,370
that, which is item 8F on the day's agenda, which sounds to me like a pretty good deal to extend

1417
02:03:38,370 --> 02:03:44,350
it for three and a half years. I'm not sure if the math may be it's two and a half, but it's a short,

1418
02:03:44,350 --> 02:03:49,830
of a short period of time, with not changing the agreement one hyota other than we're going

1419
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:55,570
to go a longer distance. It doesn't affect any of the orange shirts out there. They continue

1420
02:03:55,570 --> 02:04:00,810
to pick up the trash. They just we're going to be delivering further. I understand that

1421
02:04:00,810 --> 02:04:07,210
we're that there's going to be a cost associated with that. However, as I've stated in the past,

1422
02:04:07,590 --> 02:04:13,230
number one, a proposal should be made. A request for proposals should be made by the experts.

1423
02:04:13,230 --> 02:04:39,490
It should be coming from our public works director, bringing it forward to us, perhaps at our request, perhaps not, just doing his job, and then he should go with and in this case, she with the city manager, find the expertise to help us present that to us to determine whether or not that's really something we want to do.

1424
02:04:43,640 --> 02:04:50,300
I'm completely against this current item that we're dealing with right now, and I will not be supporting it in any way, shape, or form.

1425
02:04:50,900 --> 02:04:59,300
I want to go back to the to Sloan and Vasquez, and I would love to hire them to have them come on board and put this through a real

1426
02:04:59,300 --> 02:05:08,940
I will RFP one that passes the political smell test and not a rush to judgment, not a rush

1427
02:05:08,940 --> 02:05:13,960
to get something out before we've given it some real thought and really had it done by

1428
02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:20,420
the experts. This late is in gentleman. This RFP and the speed by which it's being presented

1429
02:05:20,420 --> 02:05:28,220
and trying to get past through does not smell past the smell test. Believe me, it does not. And

1430
02:05:28,220 --> 02:05:30,780
We need to pass on this one.

1431
02:05:31,100 --> 02:05:35,060
We need to extend the WDA for three and a half years.

1432
02:05:35,720 --> 02:05:41,900
And we need to take that time to look into new opportunities with new technologies coming

1433
02:05:41,900 --> 02:05:43,880
along with new opportunities.

1434
02:05:44,540 --> 02:05:48,100
We've set up before our trash stream is a valuable product.

1435
02:05:48,420 --> 02:05:53,880
If it wasn't, we wouldn't have three or four trash haulers in the room today wanting to

1436
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:56,400
We

1437
02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:08,450
could have your attention up front please for the comments made by members of the council.

1438
02:06:09,010 --> 02:06:09,650
Mr. Sheret.

1439
02:06:10,910 --> 02:06:19,130
We need to take advantage of this very valuable asset and make sure that we're doing whatever is right with it.

1440
02:06:19,290 --> 02:06:27,430
I've been told, unofficially by a couple of trash haulers that are interested, that they would not recommend getting rid of this asset of all.

1441
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:33,230
it needs to be run in an efficient way, and it needs to be, and with all due respect to the

1442
02:06:33,230 --> 02:06:38,470
employees in the room, and I appreciate all you do, and I'd love to save all your jobs.

1443
02:06:38,630 --> 02:06:46,170
My responsibility is to provide the very best quality service to our 210,000 constituents and citizens

1444
02:06:46,170 --> 02:06:52,690
of which most of you are. And that's the job that we as a council have up here, not to push through

1445
02:06:52,690 --> 02:06:58,950
on RFP that is written by an attorney's office that should be advising on the legal issues

1446
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:59,610
of it.

1447
02:06:59,730 --> 02:07:02,570
Not be, he's not an expert, and that's no disrespect.

1448
02:07:04,490 --> 02:07:07,850
We need to have the experts working on this.

1449
02:07:08,050 --> 02:07:13,990
There's not one of us up here, this is an expert, that in some of these areas is used our best

1450
02:07:13,990 --> 02:07:14,570
judgment.

1451
02:07:15,650 --> 02:07:16,510
Well, yeah,

1452
02:07:19,810 --> 02:07:25,990
some of us, some of the elected officials in San Bernardino have been using

1453
02:07:25,990 --> 02:07:32,490
their bus judgments for 25 years, some for 12, some for 8, some of us fewer years, and look

1454
02:07:32,490 --> 02:07:38,290
where we are today. We're not in very good shape. I'm not sure that I can suggest that

1455
02:07:38,290 --> 02:07:44,090
our judgment over the years has been very good. And I say that collectively, I'm not pointing

1456
02:07:44,090 --> 02:07:51,350
fingers at anyone person. But we need to do what a business owner would do and take a look

1457
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:58,490
the best way to serve their customer, and that is, if it requires being sold or

1458
02:07:58,490 --> 02:08:05,950
leased or contracted out, then I, as a business man, have to look at that

1459
02:08:05,950 --> 02:08:10,310
opportunity. Doesn't necessarily mean that that's what's going to come, but I

1460
02:08:10,310 --> 02:08:16,850
certainly am not going to approve a proposal that's been presented here, and then

1461
02:08:16,850 --> 02:08:22,390
be shot down, shot holes clear through it by 30 years of experience in the trash hauling and

1462
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:27,930
the trash business. And then within about five minutes, we have another seat on our

1463
02:08:27,930 --> 02:08:35,590
desk that counters all of those. Can't do it. Can't do it. So I'm not going to support

1464
02:08:35,590 --> 02:08:40,270
this item at all. And that's about all I have to say on this item.

1465
02:08:53,490 --> 02:09:02,410
I have a question for you. Mr. Kelly, just moments ago, asked kind of inquired about the

1466
02:09:02,410 --> 02:09:08,190
consultant that you had hired. Walk me through that process, give me the time in which you entered

1467
02:09:08,190 --> 02:09:10,150
in their agreement with those slung invasives?

1468
02:09:11,050 --> 02:09:15,670
Well, a couple of things, to clarify, initially, he had called when the

1469
02:09:16,690 --> 02:09:21,130
Busy Sun, just on when the city announced that it filed bankruptcy, and

1470
02:09:21,130 --> 02:09:23,930
truthfully I didn't think much of the phone call was one of many phone calls I received

1471
02:09:23,930 --> 02:09:24,950
if you need any assistance.

1472
02:09:25,250 --> 02:09:28,070
It wasn't really until, and I don't apologize, I don't remember the date.

1473
02:09:28,330 --> 02:09:31,750
So this Council directed that we begin to look at that process and there was some discussion.

1474
02:09:32,250 --> 02:09:35,910
I called him because we were looking for someone, Mr. Pemba, represented to me that

1475
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:41,390
had discussions with various haulers and trash companies that indicate they would pay for consultant

1476
02:09:41,390 --> 02:09:46,610
services. And that was the first person that I thought up to call. So we did have a meeting

1477
02:09:46,610 --> 02:09:50,910
with Mr. Sloan. He agreed to do that really at no cost. He met with the mayor and myself,

1478
02:09:51,610 --> 02:09:55,030
our public works department, representatives and representatives of the city training office.

1479
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:59,750
And then we've had various conversations with him. We had initially talked about entering into an agreement

1480
02:09:59,750 --> 02:10:05,870
with him for an amount not to exceed 25,000 dollars, really just focusing on the development

1481
02:10:05,870 --> 02:10:07,190
of the RFP.

1482
02:10:07,270 --> 02:10:09,190
Was that a subsequent to your initial meeting?

1483
02:10:09,750 --> 02:10:14,690
That was after we met with him and actually had several phone calls with him, but he had

1484
02:10:14,690 --> 02:10:16,070
been advising us.

1485
02:10:16,170 --> 02:10:20,750
Approximately what they did to you actually enter an agreement, less than $25,000.

1486
02:10:21,250 --> 02:10:26,550
And again, what I'm saying is we had talked about doing that, he presented one to me, I contemplated

1487
02:10:26,550 --> 02:10:30,430
signing that, but then Mr. Pemman indicated that he climbed a place in a

1488
02:10:30,430 --> 02:10:34,150
agenda item on this evening's meeting to expand that. So he was

1489
02:10:34,150 --> 02:10:36,650
assisting with the actual negotiations and things like that. So you

1490
02:10:36,650 --> 02:10:41,090
have that contract before you. I think frankly, but I frankly think I

1491
02:10:41,090 --> 02:10:44,590
really need to do something because he needs to be compensated for this

1492
02:10:44,590 --> 02:10:48,350
significant amount of time. He's expended in dealing with us. So I would like

1493
02:10:48,350 --> 02:10:52,550
to see us pay him for at least the services that have been rendered.

1494
02:10:55,190 --> 02:10:59,030
Well, Mr. Penman has something else to go to.

1495
02:11:00,350 --> 02:11:09,650
Moving on here, Mr. Penman, I need some help understanding what the response here from

1496
02:11:09,650 --> 02:11:16,450
the Council Office is stamped at 1220 that we received the memo from Ms. Miller.

1497
02:11:17,770 --> 02:11:23,950
Did your office prepare the 14 questions?

1498
02:11:23,950 --> 02:11:25,130
The response?

1499
02:11:25,830 --> 02:11:26,070
Yes.

1500
02:11:26,290 --> 02:11:32,530
We received the letter from Sloan and Vasquez at 6.27 pm.

1501
02:11:36,290 --> 02:11:38,890
I believe it was Friday.

1502
02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:39,410
It was Friday.

1503
02:11:39,930 --> 02:11:41,090
6.7 pm Friday.

1504
02:11:41,090 --> 02:11:49,850
And we're going to over the weekend and finish the final draft just before the Council

1505
02:11:49,850 --> 02:11:50,350
meeting.

1506
02:11:51,270 --> 02:11:58,550
Just to clarify some things that have been said, the Council gave direction in August 6th.

1507
02:11:58,710 --> 02:12:10,460
And during that discussion, I stated that the City Attorney's Office would not do negotiations

1508
02:12:10,460 --> 02:12:15,400
on this type of proposal without the assistance of the city manager.

1509
02:12:17,220 --> 02:12:22,880
Two days later, when the mayor and I met along with the Chief of Staff, the city manager,

1510
02:12:23,700 --> 02:12:25,600
the senior assistant city attorney, join a writer.

1511
02:12:26,340 --> 02:12:29,800
I told the mayor then, pretty much what I've heard.

1512
02:12:30,060 --> 02:12:33,400
You folks say, and pretty much what I've heard, the audience agreeing with you.

1513
02:12:33,400 --> 02:12:43,670
The City Attorney's office does not have personnel who are qualified to determine what needs

1514
02:12:43,670 --> 02:12:47,690
to go into an RFP for refuse services.

1515
02:12:48,390 --> 02:12:54,150
I've said that all along, and I told the mayor on that date, August 8, that we needed

1516
02:12:54,150 --> 02:13:00,190
to have, expert, advice, and our office would need to work with them.

1517
02:13:00,190 --> 02:13:08,330
The city manager and I discussed it and she mentioned the conversation and she has indicated that she had received a call from Jill Sloan

1518
02:13:09,670 --> 02:13:15,030
And that was fine with me. I know I knew

1519
02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:17,250
That she had had

1520
02:13:17,810 --> 02:13:24,310
Experiences when she was in Lama, Rata as the city manager there with negotiating such an agreement. So she set up a meeting

1521
02:13:24,830 --> 02:13:27,510
I think it was the

1522
02:13:27,510 --> 02:13:31,750
the fourteenth of August. With Mr. Sloan, the mayor, myself,

1523
02:13:32,050 --> 02:13:33,550
couple of people from my office.

1524
02:13:35,780 --> 02:13:37,240
And I listened for a while, and it was

1525
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:40,020
obviously they were well enough qualified, and we, our

1526
02:13:40,020 --> 02:13:43,320
office went back to work. The mayor continued to discuss with them.

1527
02:13:43,860 --> 02:13:48,220
We had other meetings since then. The mayor, I'm sure, was trying to be

1528
02:13:48,220 --> 02:13:53,200
as accurate as he could be, but when he said that the draft one agreement was

1529
02:13:53,200 --> 02:13:57,740
the same as the one that was in the back at that, it's not true. Because last

1530
02:13:57,740 --> 02:14:02,300
for the first time we were finally given an interview with Jim Smith, the Director of Public

1531
02:14:02,300 --> 02:14:03,160
Works.

1532
02:14:04,060 --> 02:14:13,400
And Mr. Smith had over 30 suggestions for the RFP, and because I agree with Mr. Shredd that

1533
02:14:13,400 --> 02:14:17,220
the City Attorney's Office is not the one that should be deciding what's in the agreement,

1534
02:14:18,540 --> 02:14:26,660
I directed Mr. Emphagio and Mr. Uzak to proceed to incorporate the concerns that Mr.

1535
02:14:27,780 --> 02:14:33,680
Smith had voiced with the exception of any that were contrary to the will of the mayor

1536
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:38,560
and council as expressed by the mayor and council in previous open session meetings.

1537
02:14:40,640 --> 02:14:41,420
And that was done.

1538
02:14:41,680 --> 02:14:47,460
And the specific items were determining the area for the two service areas, the mayor and

1539
02:14:47,460 --> 02:14:54,540
of indicators that they want to do here are the proposals from the people responding to

1540
02:14:54,540 --> 02:14:59,680
the RFP and some of the other.

1541
02:15:00,050 --> 02:15:12,750
Issues, for example, how long the trial period would be, and as an attorney I can tell you this, because the legal language I do understand, whatever the trial period is, that's going to be the period of the contract.

1542
02:15:13,710 --> 02:15:20,090
That's just the way it's going to be. That's legal advice, folks, no getting around it.

1543
02:15:21,190 --> 02:15:24,270
So, in answer to your question,

1544
02:15:26,550 --> 02:15:32,150
as a result of the August 6th action of the mayor and council,

1545
02:15:32,910 --> 02:15:38,850
and the mayor and council members had been meeting prior to that with refuse haulers and our office had been invited to some of those meetings.

1546
02:15:39,890 --> 02:15:47,210
And refuse haulers had stated that if there was an RFP or a process that called for bringing in a professional

1547
02:15:47,210 --> 02:15:54,770
Well, that they thought it was appropriate, that the refuse proposals, or at least the person

1548
02:15:54,770 --> 02:15:59,230
or a company that got the successful contract or contracts, would be the ones to pay

1549
02:15:59,230 --> 02:16:00,150
those fees.

1550
02:16:01,250 --> 02:16:05,030
So it was the intention throughout to have in the ultimate contract

1551
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:09,740
that provision, that whoever

1552
02:16:09,740 --> 02:16:15,300
the successful provider was, assuming there are ultimately as one.

1553
02:16:19,110 --> 02:16:21,830
Could we shut off the cell phones, please?

1554
02:16:21,850 --> 02:16:23,570
Thank you very much.

1555
02:16:24,210 --> 02:16:27,570
Assuming that there is one that they would pay for that.

1556
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:34,280
So the proposal that's in your backup is a combination

1557
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,000
of the information we've received today.

1558
02:16:37,100 --> 02:16:40,060
Now we had also asked, and I think there's two things

1559
02:16:40,060 --> 02:16:40,560
that are interesting.

1560
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:44,800
One, it appears from the Sloan Basque as proposal,

1561
02:16:45,980 --> 02:16:47,760
that they thought this was a proposal

1562
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:54,480
the cell-solid waste. That's pretty clear. That's what they're saying in here when they

1563
02:16:54,480 --> 02:17:04,000
talk about. For qualified bidders, because this was not a for bid RFP, to prepare and submit

1564
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:11,280
a bonnified proposal. They use the terms interchangeably. They take proposals throughout the

1565
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:17,460
thing. Here we go, because what I'm saying is, it is not up here that they knew exactly

1566
02:17:17,460 --> 02:17:25,260
what the direction of the mayor council was, our office was responding to that and so that

1567
02:17:25,260 --> 02:17:36,580
draft RFP is there. Then we went through their 14 points, almost reminds us of the Woodrow

1568
02:17:36,580 --> 02:17:44,320
Wilson's 14 points during the First World War, some of this. And on their 14 points,

1569
02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:48,040
we

1570
02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:48,520
made

1571
02:17:51,140 --> 02:17:56,620
proposed changes to conform with what they suggest in many cases.

1572
02:17:57,700 --> 02:18:02,040
In a couple of cases not to based on the direction that the Council was previously indicated

1573
02:18:02,040 --> 02:18:03,440
that they want to go.

1574
02:18:06,140 --> 02:18:14,700
The other factor, in addition to them not exactly knowing what the mayor and Council's proposal

1575
02:18:14,700 --> 02:18:15,500
had been,

1576
02:18:17,650 --> 02:18:23,590
was that our office had repeatedly requested information and Sloan Vaskas points

1577
02:18:23,590 --> 02:18:30,130
out in their memo that the RFP and the backup doesn't have that information.

1578
02:18:31,330 --> 02:18:35,890
No, it doesn't have it because the city attorney's office, despite the fact that we were

1579
02:18:35,890 --> 02:18:39,770
acting in the direction the mayor and council was unable to get that information.

1580
02:18:40,610 --> 02:18:44,590
The city manager is explaining that she's in the process of developing that information.

1581
02:18:47,790 --> 02:18:54,610
We were not successful in getting follow up conversations with Mr. Smith until fairly late

1582
02:18:54,610 --> 02:19:02,630
today before the meeting. Despite the fact that the proposal came in on Friday, and we finally

1583
02:19:02,630 --> 02:19:09,990
got information from Sloan Vaskas late today. Prior to that, I had one phone conversation

1584
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:15,070
with Sloan Vaskas. City manager had indicated to me that she was going to be sending them

1585
02:19:15,070 --> 02:19:21,190
the draft proposal, our draft proposal number one, which we knew was in no way adequate

1586
02:19:21,190 --> 02:19:30,030
to be sent out. And I assumed that she had sent it to them, and so I contacted him and

1587
02:19:30,030 --> 02:19:34,970
they said, no, they had not received it. And in subsequent conversations with the city manager,

1588
02:19:35,930 --> 02:19:41,630
I was informed that she had been advised not to send it. So they didn't have it. So long

1589
02:19:41,630 --> 02:19:47,190
we did not have to have the so-called last-minute proposals, because it could have been sent

1590
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:50,930
as early as the 8th or 9th of August,

1591
02:19:53,330 --> 02:19:56,870
well over a month ago, and Sloan Baskas is indicated

1592
02:19:56,870 --> 02:20:00,990
that they could probably put something in the other four to six weeks, we had five weeks

1593
02:20:00,990 --> 02:20:08,150
go by since that first draft. So I think there's a lot of misinformation, and I think

1594
02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:13,850
some of it is intentional. I think there is a desire to delay the process, and I think

1595
02:20:13,850 --> 02:20:22,850
employees are in the room have been put into a very unfortunate situation, and I think

1596
02:20:22,850 --> 02:20:28,190
that what they don't realize is that the majority of the mayor and council include in

1597
02:20:28,190 --> 02:20:35,390
the mayor, as expressed previously their desire to franchise out at a minimum if not

1598
02:20:35,390 --> 02:20:44,210
else refuse. But there is an internal dispute going on as to who they want to handle it.

1599
02:20:44,670 --> 02:20:49,690
And the people in refuse right now who think that one faction of city government is on their

1600
02:20:49,690 --> 02:20:55,190
side, no folks, they're not on their side. They're just waiting because they have another

1601
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:59,130
group that they want to come in and do it. That's what's really going on behind the scenes.

1602
02:20:59,130 --> 02:21:22,250
And I think the public should know that, and that's why we have a delay going on because there's a requirement in the proposal that the bidder have a recovery facility within 12 mile radius of the city yards.

1603
02:21:22,970 --> 02:21:34,430
Right now there are only two providers who have NMRF within that 12-mile radius, and some

1604
02:21:34,430 --> 02:21:39,530
of the people who are today arguing against this RFP have stated we need to take off

1605
02:21:39,530 --> 02:21:44,810
that 12-mile radius because there's other people out there that want to bid and they won't

1606
02:21:44,810 --> 02:21:48,330
be able to bid if you keep this 12-mile radius in.

1607
02:21:49,350 --> 02:21:58,290
And that's what's going on, folks, and some of the people that you're applauding are doing that very delay for that very purpose.

1608
02:21:58,690 --> 02:22:01,170
And I'm sure they haven't told you that, but that is the truth.

1609
02:22:01,650 --> 02:22:10,530
Now, what has come out of this process is the fact that the Council had not been presented with this information before in this detail.

1610
02:22:11,730 --> 02:22:15,490
Some of us had received it from former employees of the Refuge Department.

1611
02:22:16,490 --> 02:22:40,710
And last week, when Mr. Smith, when we finally got the meeting that we've been trying to get since the, I think the 48th and 9th August, confirmed that the refuse fund has been, in effect, supplementing the general fund to the tune of 11 to 12 million dollars a year.

1612
02:22:41,370 --> 02:22:47,010
So if you want to know why the refuse fund is in the red, that's a good start.

1613
02:22:48,450 --> 02:22:56,010
We've also learned just last week that the amount that the city is presently expecting

1614
02:22:56,010 --> 02:22:59,330
to receive is 11 million dollars per year.

1615
02:22:59,830 --> 02:23:07,760
And that puts us in a very interesting situation because if I could just finish this statement

1616
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:20,530
Please, Mr. Valdi, get in. Because it makes no sense to do anything with refuse, except what we're doing with it, not to sell it, not to outsource it, not to franchise it.

1617
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:28,050
Unless the general fund can receive at least the same $11 million that has been receiving for many years.

1618
02:23:28,790 --> 02:23:34,030
So I think that puts the entire perspective of the layoffs in doubt.

1619
02:23:34,030 --> 02:23:41,550
And I certainly don't think it's fair to the employees if this is what's being suggested politically

1620
02:23:41,550 --> 02:23:53,010
to move ahead now lay off some of them and then next year when someone gets an MRF online as some folks think they will,

1621
02:23:53,490 --> 02:23:56,690
but they probably won't in reality because it states licensing laws.

1622
02:23:56,690 --> 02:24:04,350
the rest of them will be transferred to private refugees haulers because that is the truth, ladies and gentlemen,

1623
02:24:04,890 --> 02:24:11,950
on television, in the audience, and the mayor and council, every one of you knows that every word I've spoken is the truth.

1624
02:24:14,590 --> 02:24:16,730
I'm absolutely not the truth.

1625
02:24:19,500 --> 02:24:22,980
I'm sure you'll vote no, I'm sure you'll vote no, Mr. Sherretten.

1626
02:24:22,980 --> 02:24:27,080
I've already said I'll vote, not on this, on your proposal next year, Mr.

1627
02:24:27,300 --> 02:24:29,400
The employees have a right Mr. President.

1628
02:24:29,460 --> 02:24:29,920
Good to have you to vote.

1629
02:24:30,220 --> 02:24:31,700
Mr. Pinnman, you're out of order, sir.

1630
02:24:32,120 --> 02:24:34,160
You're out of order, Mr. Vibia.

1631
02:24:34,380 --> 02:24:40,420
You alluded to the fact that the city, the city general fund, had been subsidized by the

1632
02:24:40,420 --> 02:24:44,760
refuse department, has the finance department confirmed that?

1633
02:24:45,060 --> 02:24:52,920
What I've indicated previously, in prior years, the refuse fund that does provide funding

1634
02:24:52,920 --> 02:24:56,660
to the state's general funded reimbursement for fuel charges and fleet charges and a whole

1635
02:24:56,660 --> 02:24:58,480
host of other things.

1636
02:24:58,780 --> 02:25:03,500
There have been some charges, specifically the street sleeping charges, some of the graffiti

1637
02:25:03,500 --> 02:25:08,180
removal and things, which we feel need further analysis to really determine whether or not

1638
02:25:08,180 --> 02:25:14,400
they are appropriate because those are taxpayer dollars, rate payers, providing or paying for

1639
02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:15,040
that service.

1640
02:25:15,360 --> 02:25:16,980
We're not really sure that there's the nexus there.

1641
02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:22,180
So some of those charges we are looking at, but they have been recovering the costs of all

1642
02:25:22,180 --> 02:25:24,980
of fuel and things like that and paying for that to the general fund.

1643
02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:30,040
With respects to future transfers though, the reason why you don't see future transfers

1644
02:25:30,040 --> 02:25:34,880
proposed in this year's fiscal year 12 or 13 budget is because we don't feel that that

1645
02:25:34,880 --> 02:25:38,800
fund can bear those kinds of charges other than paying for just their minimum fuel charges

1646
02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:42,020
and things like that nature that are directly related to that service.

1647
02:25:42,800 --> 02:25:45,880
They just don't have the funds to do that and it's a whole host of reasons to raise

1648
02:25:45,880 --> 02:25:48,260
some things and we're currently preparing a report for them to take care.

1649
02:25:48,260 --> 02:25:53,700
So the converses, if they did have the funds to provide that, you would take their money?

1650
02:25:54,120 --> 02:25:55,220
No, I think that we need to-

1651
02:25:55,220 --> 02:25:58,580
So this is a best practice that you're employing to win a soft.

1652
02:25:59,080 --> 02:25:59,560
Yes, right.

1653
02:25:59,800 --> 02:26:00,800
I think we have sub-refuse.

1654
02:26:00,860 --> 02:26:05,780
Yeah, we need to look at refuse should be paying for all the things that uses Legitimally,

1655
02:26:05,860 --> 02:26:08,120
the fuel on the tires and those kinds of things.

1656
02:26:08,700 --> 02:26:13,120
There are probably our things that are related to the use of trash traps on the streets

1657
02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:17,580
and so there are some things that the Legitimally, but no, I don't know that they should be paying

1658
02:26:17,580 --> 02:26:20,680
where the expansive level of service that they have in the past?

1659
02:26:21,560 --> 02:26:30,600
And finally, Mayor, to my mover and seconder, I'm trying to understand this, is it that

1660
02:26:30,600 --> 02:26:36,640
we're trying to, you're piggybacking all these motions into one, because I feel uncomfortable

1661
02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:39,980
with that, and I'm not ready to support that as a whole.

1662
02:26:40,100 --> 02:26:45,620
As through the chair, as the mover, I had plans on amending the motion that motion number

1663
02:26:45,620 --> 02:26:50,760
have a little bit more language in it based on the documents so that the city clerk isn't

1664
02:26:53,320 --> 02:26:59,500
not confused but interpreting, interpreting it in a way that is not written and I had,

1665
02:27:00,460 --> 02:27:06,760
I had no problem breaking up two and three because I think two and three are both

1666
02:27:06,760 --> 02:27:14,400
as critically important but I definitely think number one is that if we don't get the process moving

1667
02:27:14,400 --> 02:27:27,820
We will be six more months down the line, and as an example, the RFP that you have here for the custodial folks, wherever that document is.

1668
02:27:29,720 --> 02:27:34,580
That conversation only began through weeks before Labor Day.

1669
02:27:35,820 --> 02:27:39,340
So anybody that says that this conversation hasn't been going on for a while,

1670
02:27:39,340 --> 02:27:44,980
We actually had meetings about the WDA and information about it starting this past March.

1671
02:27:45,440 --> 02:27:50,100
We are months into this system and months into the conversation.

1672
02:27:50,860 --> 02:27:57,300
So if you would like, I could read the motion that I had hoped we could move on based on the

1673
02:27:57,300 --> 02:27:58,020
seconder of the people.

1674
02:27:58,120 --> 02:28:01,320
Well, my request simply in only is to let it break them out.

1675
02:28:01,560 --> 02:28:02,180
That was issued in three.

1676
02:28:02,380 --> 02:28:07,180
As it's piggy, it's isolated in the different motions, please.

1677
02:28:08,100 --> 02:28:13,180
I'm going to go now to the speakers. We have a number of people who would like to read the motion.

1678
02:28:13,900 --> 02:28:21,280
I'm sorry in this mechanic. Go ahead. Motion 1, 2 and 3. All three motions you put before us the student.

1679
02:28:22,060 --> 02:28:24,300
Well, the public doesn't have them.

1680
02:28:24,940 --> 02:28:26,900
Audience at home doesn't have them.

1681
02:28:27,420 --> 02:28:29,940
And in case my colleagues haven't had a chance to read the chat.

1682
02:28:29,940 --> 02:28:56,260
And the city manager to issue draft number four of the revised request for proposal for solid waste collection receiving processing transfer and disposal services after retaining all sections of draft four of the RFP not specifically removed by any of us here at the dies and after amending that RFP to include any and all revised and or additional language provided by the mayor and common council.

1683
02:28:57,060 --> 02:29:01,620
Some I call in the revised request for proposals is not to be issued by the City Manager in

1684
02:29:01,620 --> 02:29:05,160
Lesbos City Manager's office and the City Attorney's office have approved the wording

1685
02:29:05,160 --> 02:29:10,060
of said document and have approved the final document to be released in its entirety and

1686
02:29:10,060 --> 02:29:14,760
the revised request for proposal is to be mailed to all appropriate vendor candidates no

1687
02:29:14,760 --> 02:29:19,280
longer, no later it's used me than September 20, 2012.

1688
02:29:20,220 --> 02:29:23,840
Would the second amendment approve a degree to that amendment?

1689
02:29:24,280 --> 02:29:25,280
I'm comfortable with that.

1690
02:29:25,440 --> 02:29:25,840
I'm satisfied.

1691
02:29:27,440 --> 02:29:27,740
All right.

1692
02:29:27,960 --> 02:29:28,400
Mr. Bush.

1693
02:29:28,700 --> 02:29:29,460
Let's go.

1694
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:30,400
Let's go.

1695
02:29:32,240 --> 02:29:33,180
Final counsel.

1696
02:29:33,540 --> 02:29:33,900
Person speaking.

1697
02:29:34,220 --> 02:29:36,020
Johnson and I will go to the speakers in the audience.

1698
02:29:36,480 --> 02:29:36,800
Thank you, Mayor.

1699
02:29:36,920 --> 02:29:38,080
A lot has been said.

1700
02:29:38,600 --> 02:29:43,260
So I'm not going to repeat a lot of these 14 points that I've already been stated.

1701
02:29:43,780 --> 02:29:44,960
But I wouldn't want to say something.

1702
02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:51,480
First of all, I appreciate the City Attorney's interpretation of how the events that they'll

1703
02:29:51,480 --> 02:29:58,200
transpire here, but just let you know that Ricky Banjason, I'm not on the same page,

1704
02:29:58,360 --> 02:29:59,320
is everybody else.

1705
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:06,440
I do believe that this agenda item is hastily written. I also believe this process is spent.

1706
02:30:09,640 --> 02:30:16,020
This RFP seems to be written with providers already being awarded and that I have a problem with.

1707
02:30:16,540 --> 02:30:22,800
Looking at this memorandum, there are some items I highlighted and I do want to speak those.

1708
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:31,740
First of all, I fall short of what is needed in order to attract the highest and best offers for the city's most valuable public asset.

1709
02:30:33,100 --> 02:30:40,040
However, the RFP has graphic, lacks important features that will make it impossible for a qualified

1710
02:30:40,040 --> 02:30:44,400
hitters to prepare as a mythic, bonafide, philism,

1711
02:30:46,420 --> 02:30:48,720
installing in vowscares, they have 30 years

1712
02:30:48,720 --> 02:30:56,930
of experience in municipal solid waste procurement processes in the state that will help us

1713
02:30:56,930 --> 02:31:03,590
secure the best possible services and revenues from our municipal solid waste.

1714
02:31:03,590 --> 02:31:09,790
And they talked about the time frame as required for the six weeks,

1715
02:31:12,510 --> 02:31:21,500
number six states that whoever gets the services to the public, rates will be raised.

1716
02:31:25,240 --> 02:31:29,660
But I'll tell you this, we talked about contracting out.

1717
02:31:29,820 --> 02:31:37,900
But until we start talking about contracting out parts, we start talking about contracting out of safety.

1718
02:31:37,900 --> 02:31:44,980
We started talking about contract now. We have to use all of them. Instead of peace milling them.

1719
02:31:45,640 --> 02:31:54,420
I'm well not being favored. None of us talking about trash, contracting and everything else.

1720
02:31:55,320 --> 02:32:00,140
And in my final statement, I lived in this city for over 50 years.

1721
02:32:00,140 --> 02:32:05,300
We just finished, we ended the process of finishing our freeway.

1722
02:32:06,980 --> 02:32:13,660
And as you know, there's always been a division where it's basically been a burden

1723
02:32:13,660 --> 02:32:16,900
and wall with the freeway to 15.

1724
02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:21,500
We've all done all the rafts and all the rafts that we've kept in on to the east.

1725
02:32:22,300 --> 02:32:26,640
And so as we talk about five minutes in the two.

1726
02:32:27,540 --> 02:32:31,000
Once again, we're talking about putting up another wall

1727
02:32:31,000 --> 02:32:33,840
in our city and that I have a problem with.

1728
02:32:35,180 --> 02:32:36,140
Thank you.

1729
02:32:37,360 --> 02:32:38,600
I don't know the way I did not go.

1730
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:39,800
I'll be very brief.

1731
02:32:39,880 --> 02:32:42,060
I'm going to address the motion.

1732
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:48,280
And I think that it needs to be pointed out that the very last sense, and it says it's not quite the last sense.

1733
02:32:48,440 --> 02:32:51,180
It starts after the comma, after entirety.

1734
02:32:51,800 --> 02:32:58,960
It says, and the revised RFP is to be mailed to all.

1735
02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:06,120
shouldn't say both appropriate vendor candidates, no later than September, with the 12-mile

1736
02:33:06,120 --> 02:33:08,360
radius, there's only two that come qualify.

1737
02:33:09,040 --> 02:33:14,640
So let's mail it to the two that are qualified, not all appropriate vendor candidates.

1738
02:33:15,300 --> 02:33:19,580
Since I'm the maker of the motion, the motion is to be all.

1739
02:33:20,140 --> 02:33:26,600
And just some Mr. Shared is clear on this, waiting for waste technology to come on 3.5

1740
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:30,100
years of friends of yours. Also stinks.

1741
02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:38,840
Fred, I'm your friend. Mr. Kelly, and then we'll

1742
02:33:38,840 --> 02:33:47,260
go to the end. Just campaign contributors. Fred, folks,

1743
02:33:51,530 --> 02:33:55,690
folks, this, excuse me, these, these are

1744
02:33:55,690 --> 02:34:01,770
Council proceedings. This is not a pep rally. This is not a football or a basketball or a baseball game.

1745
02:34:01,810 --> 02:34:08,650
This is a serious conversation about policy. Please respect the need for decorum and civility

1746
02:34:08,650 --> 02:34:15,090
and not make this into a cheering squad experience. Thank you very much, Mr. Kelly.

1747
02:34:17,590 --> 02:34:24,550
I'm your friend. I'm friends with everybody on the Dyson with our city family and

1748
02:34:25,090 --> 02:34:28,350
and we may not agree on certain things but I'm your friend as

1749
02:34:30,720 --> 02:34:32,240
I just wait for you.

1750
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:38,960
Excuse me folks, can we again ask for your quiet and attention to this Dyson?

1751
02:34:39,740 --> 02:34:47,960
Thank you. Thank you. And as your friend and as a friend to all this council,

1752
02:34:47,960 --> 02:34:56,240
I want to remind you all that city administrator, then city manager, Fred Wilson, our interim

1753
02:34:56,240 --> 02:35:02,120
city manager, Mark Weinberg, our interim and deputy city manager, Lori Sassoon.

1754
02:35:03,380 --> 02:35:10,160
And to the current have all said that we are in a fiscal crisis and that we must consider

1755
02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:12,260
private public partnerships.

1756
02:35:12,820 --> 02:35:15,260
That's how long this conversation has been going.

1757
02:35:15,260 --> 02:35:20,360
back since Fred Wilson was the city of Minnesota before he became the city manager.

1758
02:35:21,460 --> 02:35:26,680
I recognize that there are opportunities in the future for waste energy,

1759
02:35:29,580 --> 02:35:29,880
which is what

1760
02:35:29,880 --> 02:35:35,500
council member Sheret had talked about the last council meeting and shared with the city manager

1761
02:35:35,500 --> 02:35:42,460
that for a number of years he was working on a possibility of waste energy and to say that

1762
02:35:42,460 --> 02:35:50,880
smells or it stinks the way this process is going. One might question those who

1763
02:35:50,880 --> 02:35:57,500
have spent a great deal of time working with the ways to energy folks, were they looking

1764
02:35:57,500 --> 02:36:06,340
for a finders fee? When we talk about the efficient ways of doing things, let me decode

1765
02:36:06,340 --> 02:36:12,480
that for you, efficient means cuts. When we talk about rates, this

1766
02:36:12,480 --> 02:36:18,340
Marin Council, when the former public works director, came through the

1767
02:36:18,340 --> 02:36:23,040
Ways and Means Committee and to this Council, advised us that we needed

1768
02:36:23,040 --> 02:36:36,320
to raise our refuse rates. That's for our businesses and our

1769
02:36:36,320 --> 02:36:42,940
rates did not go up the WDA waste delivery agreement with the county is going to expire,

1770
02:36:45,740 --> 02:36:47,840
and the tipping fee is going to be more.

1771
02:36:51,810 --> 02:36:56,230
When we talk about the use of funds the way

1772
02:36:56,230 --> 02:37:03,650
that they have been used again, when Mark Weinberg was here, and sitting right will Henry

1773
02:37:03,650 --> 02:37:09,610
and Peno is was the incoming city manager, Charles McNeely. This council then was discussing

1774
02:37:09,610 --> 02:37:15,730
public private partnerships. We only got a second from former council member,

1775
02:37:16,010 --> 02:37:21,850
Estrada, for the purpose of discussion. This is to clarify the history. We

1776
02:37:21,850 --> 02:37:26,290
discussed it at length. The second was withdrawn and we did nothing.

1777
02:37:29,940 --> 02:37:31,000
But I will

1778
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:41,530
remind you in a friendly way that Fred Wilson, Lori Sassoon, Mark Weinberg, and

1779
02:37:41,530 --> 02:37:47,810
our current city manager now is that we must and should explore public private partnerships.

1780
02:37:48,670 --> 02:37:50,110
What are we afraid of?

1781
02:37:50,350 --> 02:37:51,290
Let's get going.

1782
02:37:51,730 --> 02:37:53,210
Let's get this out on the street.

1783
02:37:53,890 --> 02:37:55,310
So the employees aren't in limbo.

1784
02:37:56,090 --> 02:37:57,590
They know one way or the other.

1785
02:37:58,090 --> 02:37:59,210
We're going to do this.

1786
02:38:00,430 --> 02:38:05,910
There certainly is a way that we can address through the negotiations as we go through with

1787
02:38:05,910 --> 02:38:16,090
professional advisors, how we address rates, whether it be the CPI, what we're going to

1788
02:38:16,090 --> 02:38:25,430
do with employees, and any member of this council can agendaise an item for future

1789
02:38:25,430 --> 02:38:33,570
opportunities for waste energy opportunities for this community. And we can discuss it

1790
02:38:33,570 --> 02:38:39,350
and we can partner with if, and if we have any public

1791
02:38:39,350 --> 02:38:42,070
partnerships occurring at the time.

1792
02:38:43,230 --> 02:38:47,170
But until we add folks, we're going to continue to get these reports

1793
02:38:47,170 --> 02:38:49,570
that share with us.

1794
02:38:50,730 --> 02:38:51,550
Look at that number.

1795
02:38:51,730 --> 02:38:55,630
18,946,180 in the red.

1796
02:38:56,630 --> 02:39:00,650
We have got to do something in order to provide services

1797
02:39:00,650 --> 02:39:05,750
all services to the residents of this city.

1798
02:39:06,890 --> 02:39:09,810
I strongly urge that we support this action tonight.

1799
02:39:10,110 --> 02:39:13,230
It's only an RFP.

1800
02:39:14,150 --> 02:39:15,450
It's going to come back to us.

1801
02:39:15,650 --> 02:39:18,150
A request for proposal will come back to us

1802
02:39:18,150 --> 02:39:21,470
and the legal minds and our consultant

1803
02:39:21,470 --> 02:39:24,790
and our city manager who happens to be a legal background

1804
02:39:24,790 --> 02:39:28,990
will work through whatever the agreement is going to be.

1805
02:39:28,990 --> 02:39:43,550
Start with the proposal, they add to it, we take away, goes back and forth, then an agreement comes to us, and we act, and I strongly urge this council act on behalf of all of the residents of this city,

1806
02:39:43,810 --> 02:39:51,170
where we're going to have to continue when that Penency Plan comes forward to continue to cut, and a lot of people will be out of work.

1807
02:39:51,170 --> 02:40:00,270
Thank you. Let's go then to the speakers. We'll start with Paul Sandborn. Followed by Gary Clifford. Followed by George Swift.

1808
02:40:17,860 --> 02:40:23,300
Good evening Mayor and Council. You know if you woke up tomorrow morning.

1809
02:40:24,460 --> 02:40:28,580
And the paper said the government was getting ready to sell the IRS. What would you think?

1810
02:40:29,260 --> 02:40:35,400
I mean that's the way I look at this thing tonight. It is an asset. It's the best asset you've got.

1811
02:40:36,260 --> 02:40:43,020
to you, Mr. Charles Kelly, who will set it straight, January 1st, 09, that was the last phrase.

1812
02:40:44,120 --> 02:40:47,680
If you people don't think that you should pay a little more for trash,

1813
02:40:48,320 --> 02:40:55,240
we're have you been by on your diesel, I ask you. I would like to play the gas field for three years ago.

1814
02:40:58,370 --> 02:41:04,050
These guys, if you're old enough and you request it, they'll get out of the truck and go get the trash camp

1815
02:41:04,050 --> 02:41:08,190
and bring it to the trash truck. You ain't going to get that with the new people. I don't

1816
02:41:08,190 --> 02:41:16,130
believe that at all. The other thing is just before I come here, by monthly, Jacks is

1817
02:41:16,130 --> 02:41:23,230
fifty-four dollars for it's twenty-two dollars per month. And they're by monthly.

1818
02:41:26,100 --> 02:41:26,780
Even if you

1819
02:41:26,780 --> 02:41:32,800
double large, you don't come to the fifty-four bucks. It's entitled to a raise. I can't believe

1820
02:41:32,800 --> 02:41:38,700
we've gone three years without even raising that, to be honest with you, and you wonder why

1821
02:41:38,700 --> 02:41:43,220
you're short on money and why you're sitting there playing the bankruptcy game.

1822
02:41:43,880 --> 02:41:47,760
The new company, are they going to sit here and pick up the three different trash cans?

1823
02:41:48,620 --> 02:41:49,140
I wonder.

1824
02:41:50,080 --> 02:41:51,120
They're mandated by law.

1825
02:41:51,440 --> 02:41:52,580
How many of this is a speaker?

1826
02:41:53,340 --> 02:41:53,740
He's before.

1827
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:55,100
Well, if they are, they are.

1828
02:41:55,280 --> 02:41:56,320
Let's don't dialogue.

1829
02:41:56,460 --> 02:41:57,580
Let's have this speaker speak.

1830
02:41:58,040 --> 02:42:02,780
And then the other thing that I will explain to you is street sweeping that you

1831
02:42:02,780 --> 02:42:09,400
out of Mr. Kelly. I don't see any reason at all that every thing bought related to food in

1832
02:42:09,400 --> 02:42:14,700
this town. Every order that goes out on Jack and the box, Taco Bell, I don't care if

1833
02:42:16,780 --> 02:42:24,180
you're at cocos or whatever. Okay. A nickel on that tab. When it rings up, just put a nickel.

1834
02:42:24,440 --> 02:42:27,760
That'll take care of your streets we've been believing. Thank you.

1835
02:42:34,020 --> 02:42:38,640
Gary Clifford, followed by George Swift, followed by Paul Flores.

1836
02:42:40,970 --> 02:42:43,610
Mayor Morris, Council Member Staff, and Citizens of the Samurai Deal.

1837
02:42:43,610 --> 02:42:46,800
My name is Gary Clifford, and I am the CEO of Athens Services.

1838
02:42:47,450 --> 02:42:49,130
I am also a Samurai Dino native.

1839
02:42:49,730 --> 02:42:50,990
I was born at St. Bernardines.

1840
02:42:50,990 --> 02:42:51,820
I was raised here.

1841
02:42:52,510 --> 02:42:53,790
Graduated from the School District.

1842
02:42:53,930 --> 02:42:57,970
I went off to college and since then I have enjoyed very successful careers in law enforcement.

1843
02:42:59,090 --> 02:43:00,790
Business, Education, and Public Service.

1844
02:43:00,790 --> 02:43:05,790
which include three terms as the City Council member in mayor of the city that I live in.

1845
02:43:06,030 --> 02:43:11,150
Many of my family members still reside in San Bernardino, and as we all do, we never forget what we came from.

1846
02:43:12,050 --> 02:43:18,650
To that point, a few years ago, my firm, Athen services participated in RFP for waste when recycling from the unified school district,

1847
02:43:19,310 --> 02:43:22,370
and as an alumni, I had promised them we would give an outstanding proposal.

1848
02:43:23,050 --> 02:43:28,490
In fact, we were the most responsive proposal and have saved the school district hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.

1849
02:43:28,490 --> 02:43:31,390
Our service and performance receives excellent reviews.

1850
02:43:31,970 --> 02:43:33,510
I believe trash isn't asset.

1851
02:43:34,310 --> 02:43:36,310
And while reading over your possible action for tonight,

1852
02:43:36,450 --> 02:43:38,690
I just know that a few interesting and unusual requirements

1853
02:43:38,690 --> 02:43:40,750
in the RFP and remotion one,

1854
02:43:40,890 --> 02:43:42,290
particularly the 12-mile radius,

1855
02:43:42,570 --> 02:43:44,950
we would also like if you choose to put it out,

1856
02:43:45,170 --> 02:43:47,270
which you may not, but if you choose to put it out,

1857
02:43:47,330 --> 02:43:48,770
we'd like to participate also.

1858
02:43:49,490 --> 02:43:52,150
I noticed the rates to the rate pair will remain the same,

1859
02:43:52,190 --> 02:43:53,430
but we'd like to lower them.

1860
02:43:53,650 --> 02:43:56,490
And I noticed that there was no prescribed time limit in the RFP

1861
02:43:56,490 --> 02:44:00,930
and the time period was called, it would encompass a number of years to be negotiated.

1862
02:44:02,150 --> 02:44:05,910
Some of those were just unusual, I thought, as an expert in the industry, and I'd like

1863
02:44:05,910 --> 02:44:09,290
to be able to respond to those, and I would argue there's some other elements, but

1864
02:44:09,290 --> 02:44:10,810
you've identified them as the 14.

1865
02:44:11,750 --> 02:44:15,690
In my opinion, in Athens services is an outstanding regional hall where that has one of the

1866
02:44:15,690 --> 02:44:20,350
largest organics composting facilities in your backyard in San Bernardino County.

1867
02:44:21,070 --> 02:44:25,090
We service your school district, we operate in San Bernardino in Victorville and in Riverside.

1868
02:44:25,090 --> 02:44:33,390
We have arguably the nation's largest and most efficient material recovery facility not far from here, but it's a little farther than 12 miles.

1869
02:44:34,610 --> 02:44:40,230
I'd like to offer your citizens the same opportunity if you choose to do that we did at the school district where we went to RFP.

1870
02:44:40,470 --> 02:44:44,170
It is probable that Athens can provide the city everything you're looking for in revenue.

1871
02:44:44,630 --> 02:44:51,070
We can have you in a lower rate to the consumer and keep all the employees because it are privately held firm our employees are number one.

1872
02:44:51,070 --> 02:44:59,450
I ask tonight that if you're seeking a potential benefit of a new waste and recycling partner in this RFP you create a process that allows Athens to participate.

1873
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,900
For instance, San Bernardino County recently placed an RFP on the out for landfill and maternity recovery.

1874
02:45:06,360 --> 02:45:09,540
Athens intends on submitting a bid for that, which is due October 31.

1875
02:45:09,760 --> 02:45:14,240
It's just a few weeks away, and that can have a huge impact on our ability to do this positively.

1876
02:45:15,080 --> 02:45:17,140
I'll make you the same promise I made this school district.

1877
02:45:17,840 --> 02:45:24,800
Athens will respond to your RFP and a professional, efficient manner. We'll deliver you an outstanding product in the form of rate reductions to your residents.

1878
02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:30,240
Revenue to your city, jobs and opportunity for everybody in this city, both your city employees and citizens.

1879
02:45:31,220 --> 02:45:37,360
We've demonstrated over the years where the experts at converting municipal services to private sectors and employed everyone that we've come across.

1880
02:45:37,900 --> 02:45:44,880
We've done a number of times when you choose Athens, you're choosing a family company to values employees first and everything that we do.

1881
02:45:45,040 --> 02:45:48,140
Please consider changing the RFP that's identified in motion.

1882
02:45:48,360 --> 02:45:54,580
If you put it out to allow Athens services to participate with the other vendors that you've identified tonight.

1883
02:45:54,580 --> 02:45:56,440
Thank you very much, and I hope you consider that.

1884
02:45:56,440 --> 02:45:57,240
Have a great evening.

1885
02:45:57,520 --> 02:45:59,480
It's an honor to speak to you.

1886
02:45:59,800 --> 02:46:00,860
Thank you, George Swift.

1887
02:46:04,320 --> 02:46:07,060
Followed by Paul Flores, followed by Charles Greenwood.

1888
02:46:07,980 --> 02:46:08,700
I'm George Swift.

1889
02:46:08,740 --> 02:46:10,540
Operating engineers, representative of the

1890
02:46:10,540 --> 02:46:12,040
Prepties, workers and all the other gentlemen,

1891
02:46:12,260 --> 02:46:14,640
and employees, Mayor and City Council.

1892
02:46:15,260 --> 02:46:20,000
Two years ago, you put out a bid spent $50,000 to a company

1893
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:23,860
in Matrix to tell you that keep your trash.

1894
02:46:24,660 --> 02:46:26,100
Keep your refugees department.

1895
02:46:26,640 --> 02:46:30,180
It makes you money. It's the goose-a-lase-a-gold-naked.

1896
02:46:31,660 --> 02:46:35,840
Now we're talking about spending $50,000 more, which we don't have. We're broken.

1897
02:46:37,160 --> 02:46:40,860
I understand. We keep talking preachin' about the fact we don't have any money,

1898
02:46:40,960 --> 02:46:43,260
and then we talk about contracting out another bit.

1899
02:46:45,430 --> 02:46:47,030
You should be very afraid of this proposal.

1900
02:46:47,930 --> 02:46:51,790
I read through this proposal, and I have a problem with, first of all,

1901
02:46:51,790 --> 02:46:58,530
$750,000 a month for your trash, that's like 40%.

1902
02:46:58,530 --> 02:47:03,290
Most cities are going to give up to, and most companies are going to give up 10%.

1903
02:47:03,290 --> 02:47:05,990
I don't know where that came from.

1904
02:47:07,150 --> 02:47:08,970
It's only possible to receive that.

1905
02:47:09,050 --> 02:47:11,510
And a proposal could take two years.

1906
02:47:12,150 --> 02:47:14,970
City Sacramento is still working on a proposal with their trash.

1907
02:47:15,310 --> 02:47:17,230
It's 92 pages long.

1908
02:47:19,380 --> 02:47:20,960
These things just don't happen overnight.

1909
02:47:22,100 --> 02:47:26,240
And you have two companies bid on the same proposal on the same bid.

1910
02:47:28,030 --> 02:47:28,670
That's a collusion.

1911
02:47:29,050 --> 02:47:30,970
You can't have two companies bidding on the same proposal.

1912
02:47:31,170 --> 02:47:31,570
That's collusion.

1913
02:47:31,670 --> 02:47:32,030
It's illegal.

1914
02:47:33,790 --> 02:47:36,630
You have to deal with the, and I'm talking about collusion

1915
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:38,190
because you want to split the city in half.

1916
02:47:38,470 --> 02:47:40,850
You want the city to say, one company to take half the city together.

1917
02:47:41,070 --> 02:47:42,950
They're going to have to get together in the time of the term of work,

1918
02:47:43,150 --> 02:47:44,370
what the half of the city is.

1919
02:47:46,130 --> 02:47:48,570
Like Councilman Johnson said, maybe this is a freeway.

1920
02:47:49,190 --> 02:47:53,430
I understand your quote, but I'm in 45-year resident of the city too.

1921
02:47:56,960 --> 02:48:02,060
We can't see where this will go in the best interests of these employees.

1922
02:48:03,280 --> 02:48:06,140
I know trash companies who say, yes, we'll take your employees.

1923
02:48:06,700 --> 02:48:08,760
And then they say, yeah, but we're going to interview them first.

1924
02:48:09,300 --> 02:48:12,020
And then they interview them and some employees don't make it,

1925
02:48:12,140 --> 02:48:15,620
because they just don't want them around or they feel that they may be an educator

1926
02:48:16,240 --> 02:48:18,980
or some other problem that they don't want.

1927
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:27,660
I just don't think that there's just this thing stinks, there's something that's meant to set up right.

1928
02:48:28,360 --> 02:48:30,700
It's a political move, as far as I can see.

1929
02:48:31,620 --> 02:48:35,320
It's a political move to get more money in politicians' pockets.

1930
02:48:36,380 --> 02:48:40,960
And I'd be very curious to see how much money in these trash companies who already spend on,

1931
02:48:40,960 --> 02:48:42,540
on the state council people.

1932
02:48:43,180 --> 02:48:43,860
Thank you.

1933
02:48:44,100 --> 02:48:44,900
Mr. Mayor.

1934
02:48:45,400 --> 02:48:45,840
Mr. Mayor.

1935
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:46,640
Paul Flores.

1936
02:48:46,840 --> 02:48:47,580
I would like to.

1937
02:48:47,580 --> 02:48:51,780
I'm told by Charles Winnwood, followed by Matthew Breonis.

1938
02:48:52,100 --> 02:48:56,560
Make a clear, clarifying mark, remark to Mr. Swiss comment about the matrix study.

1939
02:48:57,160 --> 02:49:02,620
Matrix study also said lay off a whole bunch of employees, and it also said give more work

1940
02:49:02,620 --> 02:49:10,820
to the routes that exist, which is why this council shelved it, and secondarily to the

1941
02:49:10,820 --> 02:49:16,820
Athens representative, I'm under the impression that Athens has a bunch of state violations

1942
02:49:16,820 --> 02:49:23,760
based on workers' complaints and bad labor practices, so let's have all the information

1943
02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:25,220
if we're going to get some of it, let's have all of it.

1944
02:49:25,560 --> 02:49:29,220
Let's refrain from responding to the speakers until all the speakers are spoken.

1945
02:49:29,480 --> 02:49:34,080
Make some notes at your place and then you may feel free to respond.

1946
02:49:34,780 --> 02:49:35,160
May be.

1947
02:49:35,580 --> 02:49:36,100
May be.

1948
02:49:36,100 --> 02:49:36,560
Maybe you're on.

1949
02:49:37,360 --> 02:49:39,020
Maybe you're on.

1950
02:49:39,020 --> 02:49:45,740
Mr. Mayor, as the point of order, it may be prudent that some speakers may choose not to speak

1951
02:49:45,740 --> 02:49:49,800
and say certain things, if they're mentioned right after a speaker makes a comment.

1952
02:49:50,180 --> 02:49:50,620
Thank you.

1953
02:49:50,620 --> 02:49:50,920
Thank you.

1954
02:49:50,960 --> 02:49:51,880
Thank you very much, Mr. Florence.

1955
02:49:52,280 --> 02:49:52,960
That would be great.

1956
02:49:53,360 --> 02:49:59,380
I appreciate that because of the fact that you had indicated that you wish somebody would

1957
02:49:59,380 --> 02:50:06,740
tell you that this was a silliest idea that ever brought up this 119 page matrix that was brought

1958
02:50:06,740 --> 02:50:10,760
out June 15, 2010, told you exactly that.

1959
02:50:11,180 --> 02:50:14,480
And for the better part of all of the council members that are up there with the exception

1960
02:50:14,480 --> 02:50:17,160
of the two new ones, everybody agreed with it.

1961
02:50:17,240 --> 02:50:18,980
I am Mr. Pemba, you could correct me if I'm wrong.

1962
02:50:19,220 --> 02:50:21,780
But I do believe you backed it up 100% also.

1963
02:50:22,380 --> 02:50:27,740
But the thing about it is, is you've already paid for a study back in 2010 to tell you

1964
02:50:27,740 --> 02:50:30,360
that this was the most ridiculous idea in the world to do.

1965
02:50:30,780 --> 02:50:31,940
And then you bring it back up again.

1966
02:50:32,580 --> 02:50:34,240
I don't understand that.

1967
02:50:34,260 --> 02:50:41,760
And it's really, you know, you try to monitor the crowd out there from their reaction.

1968
02:50:41,760 --> 02:50:49,380
I mean, the last several council meetings with all due respect, you counsel people up here

1969
02:50:49,380 --> 02:50:53,200
have been bickering back and forth like little kids, and that's with all due respect

1970
02:50:53,200 --> 02:50:55,920
to you, because like I've told you before, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.

1971
02:50:56,200 --> 02:51:00,620
You guys have the worst job right now in the world to try to save this city.

1972
02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:06,540
And I would not want to be there, but it's really ironic that, in fact, a council member

1973
02:51:06,540 --> 02:51:11,000
will put an item on the agenda, and they'll come and they'll discuss it, and then when

1974
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:14,400
counterparts don't agree with it and it's okay well you know what didn't let me make

1975
02:51:14,400 --> 02:51:17,820
an amendment to it or I don't like that amendment let me make an amendment this way

1976
02:51:17,820 --> 02:51:21,140
then well I don't like that amendment well how do you want them I want it this way okay

1977
02:51:21,140 --> 02:51:26,820
well I'll make it that way and then they expect you to react on a spur of moment if it's

1978
02:51:26,820 --> 02:51:32,040
on the agenda you should act on what's on the agenda not come here to just try to please

1979
02:51:32,040 --> 02:51:36,400
everybody at the last minute because of the fact that somebody that you thought was

1980
02:51:36,400 --> 02:51:39,080
going to agree with you doesn't agree with you at the last minute and then you've

1981
02:51:39,080 --> 02:51:45,360
change everything. You know, this is, I don't understand a lot of this is going on. I'm not

1982
02:51:45,360 --> 02:51:51,320
a politician. I'm a union man. But Mr. Van Johnson, you're absolutely right. What's next?

1983
02:51:51,920 --> 02:51:56,060
You said safety, but I'm sure what you were trying to say is what's next? Are you going

1984
02:51:56,060 --> 02:52:00,760
to contract that police and fire? I'm sure that's what you wanted to say, but you just

1985
02:52:00,760 --> 02:52:07,160
said safety. And that's true. What is next? Who are you going to contract that next? I will

1986
02:52:07,920 --> 02:52:21,840
As a sole representative of the General Unit in this city of San Bernardino, I will be up here every single solitary time that there is a department within the General Unit that is going to be contracted out and I will speak against it.

1987
02:52:22,100 --> 02:52:36,360
And with all due respect Mr. Shirek, it is all because it's not just two, because the current General Unit MOU states that the department that is going to be contracted out has a right to bid on a contract and out, so it's going to be three.

1988
02:52:36,360 --> 02:52:43,520
not to. And I just hope that it is publicly knowledge of when you want those

1989
02:52:43,520 --> 02:52:49,600
bids in, that way your employees, my members, can get their stuff together, and they can

1990
02:52:49,600 --> 02:52:54,460
put a bids in along with the other two that are within the certain miles. I thank you very

1991
02:52:54,460 --> 02:52:57,380
much for your time, and I appreciate your antibiotic tension.

1992
02:53:03,160 --> 02:53:04,920
Charles, Charles, we would

1993
02:53:04,920 --> 02:53:09,400
followed by Matthew Bionic followed by Carol Mosby.

1994
02:53:15,110 --> 02:53:16,890
There's been so much flipping and flopping up here.

1995
02:53:17,010 --> 02:53:17,710
I don't even know what to start.

1996
02:53:17,890 --> 02:53:20,010
I had stuff written down and I really don't know what to start.

1997
02:53:20,210 --> 02:53:21,210
This is one of the first times.

1998
02:53:22,690 --> 02:53:25,210
But if you really look at it, we're going to waste money again.

1999
02:53:25,470 --> 02:53:29,010
When people are getting laid off, we're going to waste money to find out if it's selling

2000
02:53:29,010 --> 02:53:31,430
us as proper or right or whatever.

2001
02:53:31,590 --> 02:53:33,650
If it's going to save the city money, I really don't think it is.

2002
02:53:34,230 --> 02:53:39,110
As far as the other companies, hey, I'll put us up against you guys any day, any day.

2003
02:53:40,610 --> 02:53:44,910
We're good, hard, strong workers, and most of us live right here in this city.

2004
02:53:46,450 --> 02:53:47,310
I've got a question for you.

2005
02:53:47,410 --> 02:53:49,550
Is any of this violated in 2018?

2006
02:53:49,770 --> 02:53:50,570
I've got a position in 2018.

2007
02:53:51,970 --> 02:53:52,270
Anybody?

2008
02:53:53,890 --> 02:53:54,610
I haven't speak.

2009
02:53:55,690 --> 02:53:56,150
It's on me.

2010
02:53:56,390 --> 02:53:57,250
All the speakers are spoken.

2011
02:53:58,090 --> 02:54:00,110
Because the least in the cell is the same thing.

2012
02:54:02,370 --> 02:54:02,950
There's a couple.

2013
02:54:03,190 --> 02:54:05,070
There's one person I know here right now.

2014
02:54:05,250 --> 02:54:06,050
It is biased.

2015
02:54:07,130 --> 02:54:14,590
It has had a plan to sell us, set it to a couple of the public employees, and where my

2016
02:54:14,590 --> 02:54:15,030
man go.

2017
02:54:15,250 --> 02:54:16,050
Did you pass these already?

2018
02:54:17,830 --> 02:54:21,910
This paperwork right here says it all, and I don't take any of that lightly, none of

2019
02:54:21,910 --> 02:54:22,590
it.

2020
02:54:22,910 --> 02:54:26,250
When the public needs to see it and read it, if you want it, ask for it.

2021
02:54:29,910 --> 02:54:35,710
You hire professionals in finance, city manager, and all I can remember is in sand, it's

2022
02:54:35,710 --> 02:54:37,910
not smart, it's not wise to do it.

2023
02:54:37,910 --> 02:54:41,950
You don't believe me go ask Riverside, go ask everybody else that's heard me because they

2024
02:54:41,950 --> 02:54:46,770
sold off the refugee department. It's not smart. That's the people's money, the people's

2025
02:54:46,770 --> 02:54:51,770
vehicles, we are the people's employees. We work for them. We're not here for profit. And another

2026
02:54:51,770 --> 02:54:56,130
thing, one person said that if you ask for it, if you held it, whatever, we will go up to you

2027
02:54:56,130 --> 02:55:01,870
and to your house and bring the can out for you. What you don't know is if you forgot to take your

2028
02:55:01,870 --> 02:55:05,670
out or whatever. We come back for free.

2029
02:55:07,750 --> 02:55:11,550
For free. We're not here for processing. We're here

2030
02:55:11,550 --> 02:55:14,210
for the community. Period.

2031
02:55:17,330 --> 02:55:21,550
All I can ask you to do is listen to your experts. Listen to

2032
02:55:21,550 --> 02:55:26,750
your experts. And I want you guys to really pay attention to this paper right here. Because

2033
02:55:26,750 --> 02:55:30,910
what happened during this time? You talked about threats about four weeks ago. A councilman

2034
02:55:30,910 --> 02:55:32,370
There was no threat in our council, but the man threatened.

2035
02:55:35,820 --> 02:55:40,380
An employee was threatened, but you know I'm not scared anybody, including the person that

2036
02:55:40,380 --> 02:55:41,100
was making a threat.

2037
02:55:42,200 --> 02:55:46,680
It was childish and embarrassing, I said on his thing for two weeks over that would calm down,

2038
02:55:46,840 --> 02:55:48,260
but it didn't.

2039
02:55:49,160 --> 02:55:52,480
They went farther and farther and farther and farther, especially interest has to end

2040
02:55:52,480 --> 02:55:52,900
here.

2041
02:55:53,220 --> 02:55:56,400
If you really think it's going to save the community money, fine, sell it.

2042
02:55:56,740 --> 02:56:01,040
I don't think so, but don't keep bringing personal attitudes into business.

2043
02:56:01,720 --> 02:56:09,860
is childish and stupid. And please don't ever threaten me like that again. Don't ever

2044
02:56:09,860 --> 02:56:14,320
welcome our face like that again. At least you got a good news. Thank you.

2045
02:56:20,820 --> 02:56:27,620
Matthew Rionis followed by Carol Mosby, followed by Stephen Johns, followed by Richard

2046
02:56:28,360 --> 02:56:33,000
Mendoza. Good evening, Matthew. We're going to see him play since 1988.

2047
02:56:33,820 --> 02:56:41,080
They talked about the major support. I'll bring up a little more. Yeah, we spent money on it basically says do not sell refuse doesn't make sense

2048
02:56:43,840 --> 02:56:51,580
I heard saying that we're bringing in 10 to 12 million 11 to 12 million and so why do you want to sell something if we're putting money in?

2049
02:56:51,960 --> 02:56:58,000
Another thing with this others bankruptcy stuff hurting all our customers residential commercial construction today

2050
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:03,180
Today, well, we take concrete to a place, they turn it down because we're not paying the bill.

2051
02:57:03,620 --> 02:57:04,860
This is hurting refugees.

2052
02:57:04,920 --> 02:57:09,980
This is hurting our customers and you guys need to hurry up and fix something because this

2053
02:57:09,980 --> 02:57:10,580
is not right.

2054
02:57:11,040 --> 02:57:11,720
Thank you.

2055
02:57:16,540 --> 02:57:19,980
Carol, Mosby, followed by Stefan John's book.

2056
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:20,720
Thank you.

2057
02:57:21,160 --> 02:57:26,460
I did not even know this was going on, but I'm just thankful that I was able to come and I was

2058
02:57:26,460 --> 02:57:30,620
coming for something else, but first I'd like to say to the Mayor and the City Council.

2059
02:57:30,620 --> 02:57:37,840
thank you, I know it's not easy to serve, but the I live here in the city and the workers are just

2060
02:57:37,840 --> 02:57:43,880
not only so professional and helpful, you cannot put a price on that and I know we're having difficulty,

2061
02:57:44,620 --> 02:57:50,620
but as many have already said, that's part of our in-times, so I'm not really sure I would take a

2062
02:57:50,620 --> 02:57:56,060
increase in pay, increase in rates, I had no problem with that because you all do such a good job

2063
02:57:56,060 --> 02:58:00,780
and I appreciate you. But I think the community at large because I did not know. I didn't

2064
02:58:00,780 --> 02:58:06,680
know this was going on. I read a little on this paper, but I didn't know tonight. And you

2065
02:58:06,680 --> 02:58:10,740
need to get the word out there in the community. I'm an educator in an associate pastor. And I

2066
02:58:10,740 --> 02:58:15,560
surely will tell other people, but you need to let people know because we appreciate you. And to

2067
02:58:15,560 --> 02:58:21,860
the city council and to the mayor, I've we've watched this my family and I for 10 years and

2068
02:58:21,860 --> 02:58:28,080
the division and it's insulting it's insulting I can sit here and know how each one of you

2069
02:58:28,080 --> 02:58:33,540
who you side with who likes the the the the the attorney and all of this it's insulting

2070
02:58:33,540 --> 02:58:37,960
as an educator we should have a city council that comes together

2071
02:58:37,960 --> 02:58:45,080
and all of this nitpicking and this person's bad as it is it's so obvious the community knows I know

2072
02:58:45,080 --> 02:58:47,560
So I'm hurt.

2073
02:58:48,420 --> 02:58:49,560
The city deserves better.

2074
02:58:50,520 --> 02:58:53,060
And to you, Mayor Morris, I don't know how you do it.

2075
02:58:53,180 --> 02:58:56,620
I really don't because to be treated the way you are,

2076
02:58:56,720 --> 02:59:01,460
it's so disrespectful by some of your members and some of these people right here on the legal team.

2077
02:59:01,600 --> 02:59:02,360
It's not right.

2078
02:59:02,960 --> 02:59:08,100
You are elected, Mayor, waiting to your turn, the other people that want to be mayor, that want to kick you out.

2079
02:59:08,180 --> 02:59:09,880
Let him do his job.

2080
02:59:10,260 --> 02:59:12,640
Be supportive and let him lead come together.

2081
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:19,940
My question is, I never got anything. Was there a community meeting? Did you guys come and get the community involved on this decision?

2082
02:59:20,080 --> 02:59:21,640
Did you get some of these people involved?

2083
02:59:22,760 --> 02:59:28,120
So this is this is not real leadership. So please stop the division. Please grow. Please be mature.

2084
02:59:29,000 --> 02:59:34,140
Like myself, I came. I was going to I wanted to follow complaint not against this department of the city

2085
02:59:34,140 --> 02:59:38,680
And I was like well, how do I do this before I go to the state of the federal level? Because I'm pretty upset about something.

2086
02:59:38,680 --> 02:59:44,260
But, you know, I'm not just going to be mad, I'm not going to, you know, be angry and I'm going to act childish.

2087
02:59:44,700 --> 02:59:47,540
I'm going to be a professional, I'm going to be an intelligent human being.

2088
02:59:47,780 --> 02:59:55,220
And I appreciate my tax dollars being spent for things that people coming together and stop the nonsense.

2089
02:59:55,720 --> 02:59:56,880
So please be professional.

2090
02:59:57,300 --> 02:59:57,860
Be respectful.

2091
02:59:57,960 --> 02:59:59,860
Just as you ask us to do and I appreciate that.

2092
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:21,000
This is a professional environment that the city is serving us as citizens so please. Could the council grow up and be professional and serve our city? And the legal department, the attorney, also, come together. We deserve that. And so did these hardworking people. Thank you.

2093
03:00:28,970 --> 03:00:31,050
and John's followed by Richard Mendoza.

2094
03:00:34,700 --> 03:00:35,380
Good evening.

2095
03:00:36,440 --> 03:00:41,280
I have held a sign up throughout the evening.

2096
03:00:42,660 --> 03:00:47,520
And for those who can't see it, it says, you own us, they'll own you.

2097
03:00:49,440 --> 03:00:54,360
And the statement on that is, you, the taxpayers own us.

2098
03:00:54,520 --> 03:00:56,160
This is a taxpayer asset.

2099
03:00:56,820 --> 03:00:59,660
You have a voice, and what do you go on?

2100
03:00:59,660 --> 03:01:08,920
you actually can state up here at the Dias and give your input on as to how you want our division done.

2101
03:01:09,340 --> 03:01:15,420
It gets contracted out, your voice is lost, the contractor will,

2102
03:01:17,550 --> 03:01:18,710
and you'll be silence.

2103
03:01:20,170 --> 03:01:24,470
So this is an important key that I want everybody to understand. Thank you.

2104
03:01:29,620 --> 03:01:30,920
But should Mindosa?

2105
03:01:35,680 --> 03:01:37,240
Hardable Mayor and Council.

2106
03:01:38,360 --> 03:01:40,500
Mr. Mayor, I have all their respect in the world for you.

2107
03:01:40,600 --> 03:01:42,240
I follow the career and your path.

2108
03:01:42,820 --> 03:01:45,460
I see you at different organizations and nonprofit groups.

2109
03:01:45,920 --> 03:01:46,300
And I hired you.

2110
03:01:47,840 --> 03:01:50,940
I've been a long time, President of the city.

2111
03:01:52,100 --> 03:01:53,980
I see in the city a city attorney,

2112
03:01:54,440 --> 03:01:57,000
who needs to help the gangs on the west side.

2113
03:01:58,580 --> 03:02:00,040
But I don't know what we've got.

2114
03:02:00,940 --> 03:02:03,020
Mayor, I know you.

2115
03:02:03,020 --> 03:02:06,500
to you, words right, you change your things right because I know you are a man of God.

2116
03:02:06,820 --> 03:02:07,940
And I highly respect that sir.

2117
03:02:09,060 --> 03:02:11,440
We have the citizens of this community.

2118
03:02:11,980 --> 03:02:12,880
We are the voters.

2119
03:02:13,600 --> 03:02:14,600
We are the boss.

2120
03:02:15,900 --> 03:02:20,480
You as the people that are elected to your war, you represent us.

2121
03:02:20,920 --> 03:02:22,800
Now what you can get out of it.

2122
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:25,340
And I pray to God, you look at your heart and your cooking jar.

2123
03:02:25,580 --> 03:02:26,560
You're going to face consequences.

2124
03:02:27,600 --> 03:02:28,760
You are for us.

2125
03:02:29,300 --> 03:02:30,400
You are for these taxpayers.

2126
03:02:30,400 --> 03:02:36,820
And a lot of people don't know what's going on because you, you paint on pitcher, but you want to paint them in your war.

2127
03:02:37,640 --> 03:02:43,980
Mr. Cali said, we've got to have fire. That's a number one priority. I agree with you sir.

2128
03:02:45,140 --> 03:02:51,060
But we need to explore our options. Why sell your asset off? That's a dumbest thing in the world.

2129
03:02:53,680 --> 03:02:58,000
Like I said, I challenge the books. Who's getting contributions from fire and police?

2130
03:02:59,340 --> 03:03:01,420
I pray you don't get your hands cut and look at your.

2131
03:03:01,900 --> 03:03:04,500
We offer that tremendous service as public employees.

2132
03:03:05,180 --> 03:03:06,100
We work for the community.

2133
03:03:06,780 --> 03:03:07,480
We work for them.

2134
03:03:07,680 --> 03:03:09,300
We're not here for a profit.

2135
03:03:10,080 --> 03:03:11,280
Do you sell us off?

2136
03:03:11,580 --> 03:03:12,420
What's next?

2137
03:03:13,540 --> 03:03:14,320
Fire in police?

2138
03:03:15,180 --> 03:03:17,040
Because you'll have nothing else to sell off.

2139
03:03:17,520 --> 03:03:18,000
What's going to happen?

2140
03:03:18,200 --> 03:03:22,460
The taxpayer are going to go up to pay their salaries.

2141
03:03:24,720 --> 03:03:26,820
I'm being, make sure you get going to say, okay.

2142
03:03:26,820 --> 03:03:32,480
Let's go on contacts to the shares because they're large-gradency, we can say money there.

2143
03:03:32,760 --> 03:03:36,660
Let's contract out to CalPars for the fire department and the shares for the police.

2144
03:03:37,300 --> 03:03:37,840
What's next?

2145
03:03:38,140 --> 03:03:39,840
You saw us, you ain't got anything else to sell.

2146
03:03:40,860 --> 03:03:44,360
And the people of this city need to understand that we work for you.

2147
03:03:44,720 --> 03:03:45,580
We serve you.

2148
03:03:45,760 --> 03:03:46,480
We live in this community.

2149
03:03:46,660 --> 03:03:48,540
I'm a lifetime resident in the city.

2150
03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:50,480
I'm a third-generation trust man.

2151
03:03:50,760 --> 03:03:52,820
I'm a five-generation, my grandfather works.

2152
03:03:52,820 --> 03:03:58,360
But via this is a father as a Santa Fe worker walking the day when he's to walk out of

2153
03:03:58,360 --> 03:04:02,140
history down the Al Street back to their home because they have pride in their community.

2154
03:04:02,880 --> 03:04:04,820
We serve the city but great pride.

2155
03:04:05,140 --> 03:04:05,840
We offer them services.

2156
03:04:06,520 --> 03:04:10,140
We, if we miss their camp, they bring out their canle, they call them airs office, they call

2157
03:04:10,140 --> 03:04:16,580
the council office, they call the customer service and we, as public employees, we gladly

2158
03:04:16,580 --> 03:04:17,320
go back.

2159
03:04:18,000 --> 03:04:22,800
But if you hire a private company, sure, we'll come back up for $20, $15 at now.

2160
03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:27,860
we'll see you next week. The race might stay the same now. You're from now. The race are going to go up.

2161
03:04:28,360 --> 03:04:33,440
What's going to happen? All the taxpayers are going to get them from and say, hey, they raised their rates.

2162
03:04:34,120 --> 03:04:38,360
You call your council. You call your mayor. I'm sorry. We cannot do nothing for you. It belongs to the private.

2163
03:04:38,960 --> 03:04:44,960
And you have no voice. People, the city of Sanctuary, you are the voice for this refugee department for the city.

2164
03:04:45,180 --> 03:04:48,300
You sell us. It's going to be a dumb no effect. Everything's going to be sold out.

2165
03:04:49,820 --> 03:04:51,060
Thank you.

2166
03:04:57,600 --> 03:05:00,440
We'll come back to the table at this time.

2167
03:05:00,440 --> 03:05:01,840
I'm going to make some comments.

2168
03:05:04,380 --> 03:05:09,920
I believe the process that we've engaged in thus far is deeply flawed.

2169
03:05:11,600 --> 03:05:20,520
The, although this is marked as graphed four of the RFP from the Timons Office, it has

2170
03:05:20,520 --> 03:05:28,160
all the hallmarks of the first graph on the 14th of August when we sat and talked about

2171
03:05:28,160 --> 03:05:35,680
this with Mr. Timon with two of his deputies, with Sloan and Baskas and the City Manager.

2172
03:05:38,170 --> 03:05:46,770
I was told by Mr. Pinnon that we were all told that he had an RFP already prepared.

2173
03:05:47,310 --> 03:05:50,630
And Mr. Luzek, Mr. Luzek confessed he didn't have one, actually.

2174
03:05:52,870 --> 03:05:56,630
But Pinnon said this must go out by tomorrow.

2175
03:05:57,730 --> 03:06:03,170
And I responded, and I had previously vetoed the proposal that came before the Council,

2176
03:06:03,170 --> 03:06:08,610
because I thought it was a flawed process and I again said that the veto was on. We are not going

2177
03:06:08,610 --> 03:06:13,510
to rush to judgment on this. This is going to be a carefully thought out in intelligent conversation

2178
03:06:13,510 --> 03:06:21,610
about the merits of this idea and about the contents of an RFP.

2179
03:06:25,500 --> 03:06:27,760
The Mr. Pinnon had in mind

2180
03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:34,680
And he confessed as much that the members of the Council, he had talked to, had two providers

2181
03:06:34,680 --> 03:06:35,140
in mind.

2182
03:06:35,220 --> 03:06:36,420
That was Republican vertebrae.

2183
03:06:36,760 --> 03:06:44,100
And those were to be the providers of this new outsourced set of franchises or disposition.

2184
03:06:46,300 --> 03:06:51,180
And I said, that doesn't need the test of an open and transparent process.

2185
03:06:54,920 --> 03:07:00,880
that conversation has continued with no progress to speak of until the last

2186
03:07:00,880 --> 03:07:05,640
council meeting. And then the city manager was commissioned to drive this

2187
03:07:05,640 --> 03:07:10,380
forward. It was for a commission, not the city attorney's commission. I'm deeply

2188
03:07:10,380 --> 03:07:15,960
troubled by the prospect of a politically engaged city attorney calling the

2189
03:07:15,960 --> 03:07:20,780
shots here. I said that initially, when this whole thing unfolded and I vetoed it.

2190
03:07:20,780 --> 03:07:27,520
And we need to keep the professionals in charge of this process.

2191
03:07:27,980 --> 03:07:32,680
It is not Mr. Kelly simply, you said it was only in RFP.

2192
03:07:33,720 --> 03:07:40,020
This is a critically important document that will allow us, as they set up policymakers,

2193
03:07:40,920 --> 03:07:45,980
to carefully look at opportunities that may exist out there.

2194
03:07:45,980 --> 03:07:55,820
they may not exist, but this needs to be done with great the craftsmanship. It is a remarkably

2195
03:07:55,820 --> 03:08:02,880
complex process. If we're going to be engaged in an RFP process, we need to have a refined

2196
03:08:02,880 --> 03:08:08,740
process. This hastily thrown together should have responses to the 14 concerns prepared and

2197
03:08:08,740 --> 03:08:18,800
by our experts who are advising us, there's not beginning to be, in my view, the needs of

2198
03:08:18,800 --> 03:08:25,960
this council in this city as we go forward. We need to do this in an intelligent, carefully

2199
03:08:25,960 --> 03:08:27,480
constructed way.

2200
03:08:29,620 --> 03:08:34,480
This is, as pointed out, high, Sloan and Vaskas and all, within we've

2201
03:08:35,160 --> 03:08:42,340
The, together with water, water probably is our most valuable asset, not probably it is.

2202
03:08:42,740 --> 03:08:46,780
But next on the list of valuable assets for this city is our refuse-treme.

2203
03:08:47,580 --> 03:08:49,580
We understand that.

2204
03:08:50,560 --> 03:08:54,920
And that cannot be in any Cavalier or hasty way,

2205
03:08:54,920 --> 03:09:00,280
as opposed to why an RFP of a kind and variety that we have here before us.

2206
03:09:00,280 --> 03:09:10,660
I will not support this, we need a carefully crafted process and I insist on that for the city and its taxpayers.

2207
03:09:15,070 --> 03:09:18,310
There's a motion and there's a sector, let's vote.

2208
03:09:19,530 --> 03:09:20,830
I think I

2209
03:09:23,000 --> 03:09:24,400
make comment.

2210
03:09:36,110 --> 03:09:37,510
I was waiting for the acknowledgement,

2211
03:09:39,880 --> 03:09:43,260
but I see that we're selected and how we do things which is disappointing.

2212
03:09:44,780 --> 03:10:01,480
You know, I've reminded everyone that this has been an ongoing process, I have spoken publicly about my concern for the employees, and I can't think of any better way to champion the employees in the way that we've done thus far.

2213
03:10:01,480 --> 03:10:18,380
Clearly, there are longstanding animosities that are clouded in the judgment and the longevity of the health and safety and well-being of the residents of San Bernardino.

2214
03:10:19,340 --> 03:10:30,940
I implore people to put their personalities aside and do what's in the best interest of the city to decode what is said in a thoughtful and intelligent way

2215
03:10:30,940 --> 03:10:37,540
or this is hastily done or cavalier away, I strongly disagree with those observations.

2216
03:10:38,620 --> 03:10:43,520
People are entitled to have their observations, but they can be dead wrong.

2217
03:10:45,670 --> 03:10:47,530
If we do not act,

2218
03:10:50,440 --> 03:10:53,880
can someone share with me how we're going to bring revenue into this

2219
03:10:53,880 --> 03:11:02,200
city that's going to sustain all departments and provide services to every resident of the city?

2220
03:11:02,200 --> 03:11:05,260
No one is bringing forward any ideas.

2221
03:11:06,240 --> 03:11:11,280
You may not like the idea, but I'm bringing an idea forward that other share.

2222
03:11:12,820 --> 03:11:14,760
We must act.

2223
03:11:15,700 --> 03:11:22,440
We were told again what the dollar amounts were and how negative we are.

2224
03:11:25,680 --> 03:11:27,760
Yes, it just was to kill it.

2225
03:11:28,140 --> 03:11:34,780
We had a process that, generally, reflected your emotion, and that was to come back and

2226
03:11:34,780 --> 03:11:40,580
October 1st, the city manager in the court to do that for us, and it needs to come back

2227
03:11:40,580 --> 03:11:41,220
to the council.

2228
03:11:41,620 --> 03:11:45,980
This proposal is that it could go out unseen by this council.

2229
03:11:46,560 --> 03:11:51,400
This council needs to see it and approve it, it needs to be perfected upon by those who

2230
03:11:51,400 --> 03:11:57,920
here in the community, the folks who are here in the evening and others who may have important

2231
03:11:57,920 --> 03:11:59,460
information to share with us clearly.

2232
03:11:59,740 --> 03:12:02,900
Mays to come back to this table before it goes out.

2233
03:12:03,280 --> 03:12:04,240
That's interesting.

2234
03:12:04,680 --> 03:12:09,000
This will come back to us with these amendments.

2235
03:12:09,820 --> 03:12:11,420
This will come back to us.

2236
03:12:11,740 --> 03:12:15,100
What this sermines is we have,

2237
03:12:17,980 --> 03:12:23,680
some long-standing animosities that are cloudy, this can

2238
03:12:24,560 --> 03:12:33,120
opportunity to explore what we can do. Clearly, that's what the problem is. You've got

2239
03:12:33,120 --> 03:12:38,980
an engaged city manager. You've got a consultant that you brought on board that will

2240
03:12:38,980 --> 03:12:53,660
engage us and walk us through the process. What is everyone afraid of? Let's move, let's

2241
03:12:53,660 --> 03:12:59,820
We must act, and I'm clearly hearing based on what you're saying now by October 1st, that

2242
03:12:59,820 --> 03:13:04,300
you are in support of this, but it is to whom is going to be in charge of how we get

2243
03:13:04,300 --> 03:13:04,720
there.

2244
03:13:04,960 --> 03:13:10,660
Ultimately, it comes back to this council and we decide we're accept, reject, amend or change.

2245
03:13:11,820 --> 03:13:16,320
Don't let personal animosity stop us from moving forward.

2246
03:13:16,500 --> 03:13:22,180
This is not the last step, the agreement, the final agreement that will be worked out with

2247
03:13:22,180 --> 03:13:29,080
attorneys and the city manager will be what we approve. This is only getting it out on the street.

2248
03:13:29,420 --> 03:13:33,200
Do it for those employees who don't know. Maybe nobody responds.

2249
03:13:35,480 --> 03:13:36,080
Maybe the employees

2250
03:13:36,080 --> 03:13:40,260
He's supposed to be a deeply flawed process thus far.

2251
03:13:41,040 --> 03:13:46,560
That is your opinion, and we have engaged the professionals to do so.

2252
03:13:46,900 --> 03:13:49,120
And the professionals are told that this is crazy.

2253
03:13:49,120 --> 03:13:52,300
No, the professionals did not say that. Mr.

2254
03:13:52,380 --> 03:13:54,300
Mr. Kelly, decode your terms.

2255
03:13:54,720 --> 03:13:55,960
Decode your terms, please.

2256
03:13:56,440 --> 03:13:56,840
Animosity.

2257
03:13:57,200 --> 03:13:58,320
Call it as if you did.

2258
03:13:58,400 --> 03:13:59,040
Call for the question.

2259
03:13:59,400 --> 03:14:00,220
I tried that.

2260
03:14:00,300 --> 03:14:00,920
Many go busy.

2261
03:14:01,140 --> 03:14:02,120
I think one last statement.

2262
03:14:02,480 --> 03:14:03,420
Let's call for the question.

2263
03:14:03,420 --> 03:14:04,800
There is a motion in a second.

2264
03:14:04,980 --> 03:14:06,480
We'll load on these in this motion.

2265
03:14:06,480 --> 03:14:07,360
Point of order, Mayor.

2266
03:14:07,560 --> 03:14:09,140
I've asked for it to be split up.

2267
03:14:09,140 --> 03:14:11,080
So we're going to have to do this by motion.

2268
03:14:11,480 --> 03:14:12,480
Well, motion one.

2269
03:14:12,660 --> 03:14:13,120
Motion one.

2270
03:14:13,160 --> 03:14:14,360
Number one is what was bad.

2271
03:14:14,680 --> 03:14:15,540
All right.

2272
03:14:15,580 --> 03:14:15,820
All right.

2273
03:14:15,840 --> 03:14:16,380
I need to vote.

2274
03:14:30,250 --> 03:14:30,890
I will be.

2275
03:14:31,110 --> 03:14:31,110
All

2276
03:14:38,150 --> 03:14:39,190
right.

2277
03:14:39,190 --> 03:14:42,750
in the other motions before the council of this hour on this issue.

2278
03:14:43,190 --> 03:14:45,250
I would like to make a motion.

2279
03:14:46,730 --> 03:14:47,850
I think I misspoke.

2280
03:14:47,890 --> 03:14:52,610
I thought I saw somewhere on there, and I don't think we have it on here that there's an extension

2281
03:14:52,610 --> 03:14:57,290
of the wish that the BZ leader is in my there's it is.

2282
03:14:57,390 --> 03:14:59,550
Well, I thought so, I went back and didn't find it.

2283
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:12,320
I would like to make a motion that the city attorney is directed to notify the county of San Bernardino that the city of San Bernardino intends to discontinue use of county disposal facilities effective January 1, 2013.

2284
03:15:13,780 --> 03:15:24,520
Second, I can see the rates coming out of our ears. There is no guarantee that they will keep them in place, and I can tell you, if you think the review department is bleeding now and there is no layoffs, wait till that happens.

2285
03:15:26,950 --> 03:15:33,910
That is actually part of a later agenda items.

2286
03:15:34,250 --> 03:15:38,950
I'm making the motion now related directly to the refuse.

2287
03:15:39,770 --> 03:15:41,890
Isn't that a city manager functional?

2288
03:15:42,490 --> 03:15:44,790
I'm going to suggest that we wait until I got a matter.

2289
03:15:45,070 --> 03:15:45,750
It's before us.

2290
03:15:45,970 --> 03:15:46,850
I've made the motion.

2291
03:15:47,070 --> 03:15:48,290
You have a second.

2292
03:15:48,590 --> 03:15:50,370
Who's my second on this motion?

2293
03:15:51,230 --> 03:15:52,090
Mr. Kelly.

2294
03:15:52,090 --> 03:15:53,030
Okay, Mr. Kelly.

2295
03:15:53,030 --> 03:15:58,090
motion of second to your votes on this matter please.

2296
03:16:14,600 --> 03:16:16,260
And I'll be to know that.

2297
03:16:17,080 --> 03:16:18,700
And make a second to any other motion.

2298
03:16:20,220 --> 03:16:25,640
Motion to authorize the city manager to execute a surrender services agreement to be drafted.

2299
03:16:26,520 --> 03:16:30,540
Miss McCamick, are you proposing to bring that forward to?

2300
03:16:30,580 --> 03:16:31,340
Not any longer.

2301
03:16:32,760 --> 03:16:33,720
Thank you.

2302
03:16:33,860 --> 03:16:34,480
Thank you very much.

2303
03:16:34,680 --> 03:16:35,140
Let's move on.

2304
03:16:35,140 --> 03:16:35,560
the majority.

2305
03:16:35,580 --> 03:16:40,260
Before we move to the point of order, Mr. Kelly, at the last council meeting, Sir, you made

2306
03:16:40,260 --> 03:16:45,840
a motion that as I recall was passed by five council members, and it directed the city

2307
03:16:45,840 --> 03:16:50,460
manager in the city attorney to work together, created our opinion, and to bring it back

2308
03:16:50,460 --> 03:16:52,200
to the council to this meeting, is that correct?

2309
03:16:52,600 --> 03:16:53,820
Within two weeks, that's correct.

2310
03:16:54,360 --> 03:16:58,120
I just wanted to make it clear, Mayor, that what you said, that I have somehow done this

2311
03:16:58,120 --> 03:16:58,580
on my own.

2312
03:16:58,580 --> 03:17:01,220
I get it at the direction of five city council members, sir.

2313
03:17:01,580 --> 03:17:02,120
Thank you.

2314
03:17:02,120 --> 03:17:11,020
Let me be clear of the case, the motion that I had before me that was made last week, or two weeks ago was at the city manager working with the city attorney.

2315
03:17:11,480 --> 03:17:20,140
It should work together with a consultant to determine how to begin this detail opportunity for the city and provide a status report to the council in two weeks.

2316
03:17:20,400 --> 03:17:20,920
That's this meeting.

2317
03:17:20,920 --> 03:17:24,880
You know, so that was not the motion, and I have it on tape, and I heard it just before this meeting.

2318
03:17:25,340 --> 03:17:30,520
If that is the motion that you have in your book, that is not the motion that is verbatim,

2319
03:17:30,600 --> 03:17:39,980
and I have a email from the city clerk quoting that very motion saying it was going back the RFP.

2320
03:17:40,640 --> 03:17:45,520
And what happened was a couple of council members had different ideas, and they expressed those.

2321
03:17:46,220 --> 03:17:49,760
But the motion was never changed by the maker of the motion or by the second.

2322
03:17:49,760 --> 03:17:55,200
that's right. And that motion stood. The city clerk does not have the authority to change the motion

2323
03:17:55,200 --> 03:17:59,680
because one or two council members say something. I think the confusion. We would have been

2324
03:17:59,680 --> 03:18:06,600
audio tape right before the meeting and both the deputy and I and the language was the city manager

2325
03:18:06,600 --> 03:18:11,820
self-imbactive council with an RFP no later than October 1st and she'll come back with a status update

2326
03:18:11,820 --> 03:18:15,680
as to the activity up to that point to the next possible. That was when the conversation

2327
03:18:15,680 --> 03:18:17,620
That was not part of the most short.

2328
03:18:17,880 --> 03:18:18,240
Thank you very much.

2329
03:18:18,820 --> 03:18:19,360
Let's go ahead.

2330
03:18:19,700 --> 03:18:20,320
Point of the water.

2331
03:18:20,320 --> 03:18:20,720
Point of the water.

2332
03:18:21,700 --> 03:18:27,500
And I have an email from the city clerk, which staged the motion, exactly as Mr. Kelly said.

2333
03:18:27,700 --> 03:18:28,640
We can argue about this.

2334
03:18:29,060 --> 03:18:30,020
Just if you would.

2335
03:18:30,160 --> 03:18:30,920
The details come almost.

2336
03:18:31,120 --> 03:18:32,060
Pat, just if you would.

2337
03:18:32,060 --> 03:18:32,880
I'd love to move on.

2338
03:18:33,280 --> 03:18:33,800
Just just to move on.

2339
03:18:34,140 --> 03:18:41,580
In all fairness, I think that the confusion is that the city manager said that I might need

2340
03:18:41,580 --> 03:18:42,980
and tell October the first.

2341
03:18:42,980 --> 03:18:48,320
But I made the motion, it was this meeting with an RFP that they might need until October

2342
03:18:48,320 --> 03:18:50,760
the 1st when they consulted with the professional.

2343
03:18:51,000 --> 03:18:56,580
But obviously, based on this memorandum we received September the 14th, it was an opportunity

2344
03:18:56,580 --> 03:18:57,580
to work with the consultant.

2345
03:18:58,360 --> 03:19:07,980
All right, let's move on to item A to B. This is a from Ms. McCamick. It involves her 9.2 adjustment

2346
03:19:07,980 --> 03:19:10,960
to the pre-pensive land of Ms. McCamick.

2347
03:19:14,030 --> 03:19:18,110
There were several questions and apparently some need for clarification.

2348
03:19:19,230 --> 03:19:25,650
And now something else has come up that I think needs to be discussed here upon this item.

2349
03:19:28,870 --> 03:19:31,270
A couple of council members called and said, well, did you mean this?

2350
03:19:31,370 --> 03:19:32,230
Did you mean that?

2351
03:19:32,630 --> 03:19:34,370
And how it was going to work?

2352
03:19:34,630 --> 03:19:38,690
And what was the revenue suggestion going to be in order to pay for some of these items?

2353
03:19:38,690 --> 03:19:47,010
So I've written it, adding just a few words to clarify some revenue or financial arrangements

2354
03:19:47,010 --> 03:19:52,330
that would pay for some of these items, for instance, in terms of a library via Sénor

2355
03:19:52,330 --> 03:19:55,310
had not been mentioned in writing, so I've put it in writing.

2356
03:19:57,270 --> 03:20:05,750
I also had asked for some conversation in negotiations, status updates regarding the employee

2357
03:20:05,750 --> 03:20:11,770
groups, this actually puts it in writing that this council needs a week or

2358
03:20:11,770 --> 03:20:16,530
update on those negotiations and a timeline that describes events to the date of each

2359
03:20:16,530 --> 03:20:22,390
status update. It also has for no layoffs to refuse and sewer workers.

2360
03:20:23,310 --> 03:20:28,030
Mr. Camichael, I apologize, but we do the allergies draining in here.

2361
03:20:28,370 --> 03:20:29,810
I can't actually hear it.

2362
03:20:30,330 --> 03:20:32,630
There's been a lot of promotion I can't hear.

2363
03:20:34,050 --> 03:20:40,770
I don't think quite on the audience, but he's not that much noise, but I understand the issue that Mr.

2364
03:20:40,770 --> 03:20:44,890
Jenkins kills with the medicine to some hearing losses, results of allergies.

2365
03:20:47,390 --> 03:20:49,810
So we'll be, we'll, we'll, in virtually quiet.

2366
03:20:50,850 --> 03:20:52,450
And Mr. McKamick will speak up.

2367
03:20:52,530 --> 03:20:53,230
Thank you.

2368
03:20:53,230 --> 03:20:53,330
Thank you.

2369
03:20:53,350 --> 03:20:54,130
I thought I was.

2370
03:20:54,330 --> 03:20:54,510
I'm sorry.

2371
03:20:54,590 --> 03:20:55,870
I thought you were too.

2372
03:20:56,110 --> 03:20:56,330
Okay.

2373
03:20:59,030 --> 03:21:02,070
Some of these things actually clarified what we had discussed.

2374
03:21:02,070 --> 03:21:08,170
publicly and agreed upon to the majority to ask for the city manager to give us some

2375
03:21:08,170 --> 03:21:13,010
clarifying documents back. I know she's working on them, but actually to have them

2376
03:21:13,010 --> 03:21:18,090
in writing a little bit more specifically, I think gives us the ability to point to something

2377
03:21:18,090 --> 03:21:26,190
that says this was the council action. As an example, I was told, I think it was by a library,

2378
03:21:26,190 --> 03:21:34,530
foundation member in an email that said something to the effect of the city manager, even though

2379
03:21:34,530 --> 03:21:43,790
you guys approved to keep row and via senior open for six months, and you provided potential

2380
03:21:43,790 --> 03:21:50,370
funding to do such a such an action that she's told the library board and I'm not quoting

2381
03:21:50,370 --> 03:21:56,050
you because I wasn't there, that she will not give a dime more to the library in order

2382
03:21:56,050 --> 03:22:00,170
to accomplish what this council had asked for.

2383
03:22:00,610 --> 03:22:06,450
And so when we talk about the public understanding that when this council gives the majority

2384
03:22:06,450 --> 03:22:14,070
vote to something, to me it's very uncomfortable and discomforting to know that depending

2385
03:22:14,070 --> 03:22:19,290
on which side of the three four you were on, city staff will move forward with certain things

2386
03:22:19,290 --> 03:22:24,230
but they won't move forward with others and that's just concerning not only to me as a council

2387
03:22:24,230 --> 03:22:30,690
member, but those two those that I present and also to the public since these are action

2388
03:22:30,690 --> 03:22:36,230
items to serve the public. So with that said, these are just clarifications of the

2389
03:22:36,230 --> 03:22:43,050
nine points. I'm hoping that my council colleagues are willing to support that action unless

2390
03:22:43,050 --> 03:22:47,930
there's some other conversation that we need to have, but I would make the motion to amend

2391
03:22:47,930 --> 03:22:53,030
and clarify the previously pointed 9. adjustment plan to the pre-pended supplant.

2392
03:22:54,390 --> 03:22:57,550
I have a concern. Is there a second to that, but I don't know second.

2393
03:22:59,050 --> 03:23:03,190
Okay, my plan of concerns about which we passed a dependency pre-pended supplant.

2394
03:23:04,150 --> 03:23:08,470
And we begun to actually queue on that plan. Well, we did.

2395
03:23:08,830 --> 03:23:13,050
And we're moving on a number of fronts here to make that reality.

2396
03:23:17,070 --> 03:23:25,350
It's not a highly speedy process, it's kind of unfolded in the time-on-a-way with pumping

2397
03:23:25,350 --> 03:23:27,010
my respect and the like.

2398
03:23:27,570 --> 03:23:33,190
But we're on our way, and I'm deeply bothered by the prospect that we come back at the next

2399
03:23:33,190 --> 03:23:40,050
meeting and we quote clarify in a man, what if Mr. Johnson comes back next, we can

2400
03:23:40,050 --> 03:23:46,670
is, by the way, if I want to my library in my ward, be on that list, and somebody else says,

2401
03:23:46,770 --> 03:23:51,070
you know, I've got some issues about issues in my ward, and that's, but I don't know,

2402
03:23:51,150 --> 03:23:57,050
do not close, do not cut list, and this kind of process, we've already added back,

2403
03:23:58,110 --> 03:24:03,730
was that a manager brought to us a budget, a pre-connancy budget that looked forward

2404
03:24:03,730 --> 03:24:07,050
to having no more than a $7 million deficit when it was done.

2405
03:24:07,730 --> 03:24:14,030
What we gave her back two weeks ago was one that probably had more like 10 to 10.5 million

2406
03:24:14,030 --> 03:24:15,180
by way of it.

2407
03:24:16,250 --> 03:24:16,870
We're going backwards.

2408
03:24:17,030 --> 03:24:20,670
We are going in the opposite direction of responsible budgeting.

2409
03:24:20,990 --> 03:24:25,190
And that gives me a great heartburn and to start down a road today in his mechanic

2410
03:24:25,190 --> 03:24:30,110
with this do not list and the so-called clarifications and modifications.

2411
03:24:31,230 --> 03:24:35,890
That gives me a great heartburn because this process should be going the other direction,

2412
03:24:35,890 --> 03:24:36,890
not this direction.

2413
03:24:37,290 --> 03:24:38,330
Might I respond now?

2414
03:24:41,680 --> 03:24:43,060
I wasn't going to ask for this.

2415
03:24:43,280 --> 03:24:44,260
But now I am.

2416
03:24:47,370 --> 03:24:52,170
Every day that goes by, the numbers that we were given in the original pre-pendancy plan

2417
03:24:52,850 --> 03:24:54,830
dated August 23rd have changed.

2418
03:24:55,850 --> 03:25:05,090
We just got a memo dated today that has changed these numbers from August 23rd.

2419
03:25:05,150 --> 03:25:08,330
And I wasn't going to ask for this because it creates more work.

2420
03:25:08,330 --> 03:25:13,930
But I am not prepared to make cuts in any department until the numbers that were in this document

2421
03:25:13,930 --> 03:25:19,470
August 23rd are now updated with these numbers from this memo from September 17th.

2422
03:25:19,510 --> 03:25:21,630
And the reason I say that is,

2423
03:25:24,500 --> 03:25:26,900
in many of the cuts within this pre-pendency plan,

2424
03:25:27,820 --> 03:25:36,460
I do not see the methodology or the justification that corresponds with the reduction in revenue related to those cuts.

2425
03:25:36,460 --> 03:25:42,280
Because many of those cuts that are listed in the pre-pendency plan were revenue-generating employees,

2426
03:25:42,640 --> 03:25:49,620
above and beyond the cost of their vehicles, the cost of the computer, and the cost of their time and their benefit package.

2427
03:25:50,340 --> 03:25:56,060
So, I would like to have the city manager and if I need to make a motion to do so, I would be glad to do that.

2428
03:25:56,380 --> 03:26:00,900
I would like to have a revised pre-pendency plan in terms of

2429
03:26:02,920 --> 03:26:06,620
the summary page, page one of one,

2430
03:26:06,620 --> 03:26:14,560
that shows a methodology of the revenues in the top section and a breakdown of what exactly

2431
03:26:14,560 --> 03:26:19,980
that means and show me where the reduction of the revenues that are corresponding with

2432
03:26:19,980 --> 03:26:22,840
the reduction of employees appears.

2433
03:26:24,300 --> 03:26:33,760
And I would like a revision of the revenues that were suggested and passed by the way by

2434
03:26:33,760 --> 03:26:38,480
I vote at the last council meeting for the nine points without the clarification and amendments.

2435
03:26:40,120 --> 03:26:44,620
And if you can do that, that would give us a much better understanding of what's left.

2436
03:26:45,880 --> 03:26:51,200
If we can't get a clarification of the refuse transfers in and transfers out the same

2437
03:26:51,200 --> 03:26:55,900
as sewer transfers in and transfers out, we don't have the whole picture.

2438
03:26:56,660 --> 03:27:03,160
And I'm not trying to micromanage around $7.7 or excuse me, $12.11.7 or $10.7 million.

2439
03:27:03,160 --> 03:27:11,700
That's a huge hole to have to then make decisions about cuts surrounding that potential hole.

2440
03:27:12,320 --> 03:27:24,300
That said, again, today, buying my Starbucks in the city of San Bernardino, there was a fucking controlled Jeep.

2441
03:27:24,300 --> 03:27:29,480
But perusing the carousel mall parking mall.

2442
03:27:30,260 --> 03:27:34,800
Instead of driving every two-hour parking limit street,

2443
03:27:36,340 --> 03:27:38,700
and I'll tell you, I understand you're trying to say gasoline,

2444
03:27:40,180 --> 03:27:43,740
but if you're not finding any tickets and you spend all that gasoline,

2445
03:27:44,180 --> 03:27:46,840
then what would be a better use of that person's time.

2446
03:27:47,680 --> 03:27:54,320
That revenue is not now reflected in this pre-pendency plan.

2447
03:27:55,820 --> 03:28:02,740
The code enforcement officers that weren't cut and the revenue generation above and beyond

2448
03:28:02,740 --> 03:28:06,260
their salaries is not in this summary plan.

2449
03:28:06,520 --> 03:28:10,080
And I've had a couple of council members tell me that this is the moving target.

2450
03:28:10,300 --> 03:28:11,420
We know it's a moving target.

2451
03:28:11,420 --> 03:28:18,720
But the moving on target also means humans, jobs, house payments.

2452
03:28:19,600 --> 03:28:24,320
That moving target to me means the fewer people that have to lose their jobs.

2453
03:28:25,960 --> 03:28:31,640
The much more easily I can put my head on the pillow at night, because right now, without all of that information,

2454
03:28:32,200 --> 03:28:35,460
that is asked for in this nine point amendment and clarification,

2455
03:28:36,500 --> 03:28:40,040
I can't make those decisions without the right, the proper amount of information.

2456
03:28:40,040 --> 03:28:47,980
So, to your statement there, it may be a bigger hold, but without the associated revenues,

2457
03:28:49,680 --> 03:28:53,440
you're just subtracting instead of adding and subtracting.

2458
03:28:53,460 --> 03:28:54,760
And that's not the way math works.

2459
03:28:55,260 --> 03:28:59,320
And if the benchmarks are going to be, are not going to be provided to these employees to

2460
03:28:59,320 --> 03:29:04,160
create those revenue generation streams, which they currently have the ability and the resources

2461
03:29:04,160 --> 03:29:09,160
and the talents and the tools to do, then shame on us.

2462
03:29:10,620 --> 03:29:11,300
Thank you, Dan.

2463
03:29:13,480 --> 03:29:13,960
Mr. President.

2464
03:29:14,140 --> 03:29:14,700
Yes, sir.

2465
03:29:14,820 --> 03:29:14,960
Okay.

2466
03:29:15,600 --> 03:29:16,000
Thank you.

2467
03:29:16,100 --> 03:29:16,440
All right.

2468
03:29:18,360 --> 03:29:21,100
This is why I didn't vote for bankruptcy in the first place.

2469
03:29:21,360 --> 03:29:24,720
Because I said, back, whatever date that was in July,

2470
03:29:25,740 --> 03:29:28,480
that this council is not capable of coming up with a

2471
03:29:28,480 --> 03:29:31,760
I'm going to see why I'm going to be accepted and gives through Bankruptcy.

2472
03:29:32,720 --> 03:29:37,000
And when I asked for our city attorney two weeks ago at the last meeting, what happens

2473
03:29:37,000 --> 03:29:43,240
to us if we don't get through Bankruptcy, the answer was in other words, he didn't say this

2474
03:29:43,240 --> 03:29:48,260
but I'll clarify, he says, we're going to get through it, but all G code that means don't worry

2475
03:29:48,260 --> 03:29:48,980
about it.

2476
03:29:49,200 --> 03:29:53,100
Well I'm worried about it, I was worried about it then and I'm still worried about it.

2477
03:29:53,100 --> 03:29:59,900
And at the longer we add as a craft and take a part and not listen to the people that have brought

2478
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:12,840
That of work there, you know, what's off for the last since we determined that we were in such horrible shape, our department heads, the city manager, everybody involved.

2479
03:30:13,560 --> 03:30:16,780
And until we start trusting them,

2480
03:30:19,010 --> 03:30:24,370
there's a good reason why that people don't trust us, but we better be starting to trust them.

2481
03:30:24,370 --> 03:30:31,490
We've all stood up here and said we've got the greatest city manager going and we're so glad to have her on board right now

2482
03:30:31,490 --> 03:30:37,110
She's leaving us in the right direction. Everybody is working in the right direction and we

2483
03:30:39,990 --> 03:30:41,170
tend to be

2484
03:30:41,170 --> 03:30:48,090
micromanaging the process the cuts are difficult, but they need to be made and the longer we take to make them

2485
03:30:48,090 --> 03:30:54,210
The longer we're gonna be in this problem, and I'm not convinced that we're gonna be able to come up with a

2486
03:30:54,210 --> 03:31:01,970
appropriate plan to get a bankruptcy judge to say, you people are serious about this.

2487
03:31:02,590 --> 03:31:06,970
And from that point forward, I guess then we'll find out what happens after that.

2488
03:31:07,330 --> 03:31:11,630
I do not support any changes to the original pre-pensive plan.

2489
03:31:11,850 --> 03:31:12,950
I haven't voted on it.

2490
03:31:13,130 --> 03:31:14,910
In the past, I won't vote on it tonight.

2491
03:31:15,390 --> 03:31:19,350
I say, in the constituents and business people, I've talked to you, said, what do you

2492
03:31:19,350 --> 03:31:20,110
people doing?

2493
03:31:20,410 --> 03:31:22,330
Why didn't you vote on that pre-pensive plan?

2494
03:31:23,130 --> 03:31:29,130
whatever number of weeks ago, four, six, I've lost track. I've lost track. And we need to get

2495
03:31:29,130 --> 03:31:34,070
moving. So let's just stand with what we did last time. We moved the ball a little bit

2496
03:31:34,070 --> 03:31:37,810
down the field. And let's move to the next level and do what we have to do as elected

2497
03:31:37,810 --> 03:31:38,370
officials.

2498
03:31:39,250 --> 03:31:41,410
Mr. Jenkins. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2499
03:31:43,270 --> 03:31:50,950
Councilman Sheret. I want to trust and actually my applaud. I said to be known to see

2500
03:31:50,950 --> 03:31:56,890
manager into the fire chief, thanking them for reaching out for the labor and man they got

2501
03:31:56,890 --> 03:32:01,270
a tough job, all of our departments have a tough job.

2502
03:32:02,650 --> 03:32:06,490
But when we started going down this road, we had the situation after the situation after

2503
03:32:06,490 --> 03:32:09,450
the situation, the situation stand up and say, ask the hard questions.

2504
03:32:10,030 --> 03:32:11,590
Find out what's going on.

2505
03:32:12,310 --> 03:32:18,350
Part of the problem, and I strongly believe this, is that we haven't asked always the right

2506
03:32:18,350 --> 03:32:20,750
questions, and we haven't drilled out.

2507
03:32:24,050 --> 03:32:26,150
When you look at the corruption of other cities,

2508
03:32:28,720 --> 03:32:28,840
and

2509
03:32:28,840 --> 03:32:38,060
if you look at JPAs in our area, we trust the professions. And we can roll our eyes, and

2510
03:32:38,060 --> 03:32:47,080
I know this is a taboo subject, and this is no blame to anybody else. But a certain JPA trusted

2511
03:32:47,080 --> 03:32:47,740
Scott Spencer,

2512
03:32:50,030 --> 03:32:51,690
he was the professional,

2513
03:32:54,800 --> 03:32:57,880
and that's not an us in the world of hurt, unfortunately.

2514
03:32:58,620 --> 03:33:03,560
The taxpayers are hurting because we trusted a certain professional, and we did not ask

2515
03:33:03,560 --> 03:33:04,220
certain questions.

2516
03:33:06,360 --> 03:33:13,460
So as one of my key rows, a former president said, trust the verifying, I will verify.

2517
03:33:14,460 --> 03:33:19,040
Now, I'm seeing Andrew, I will give you the respect that I'm going to verify, and I'm going

2518
03:33:19,040 --> 03:33:23,440
email, you know, I'm a text message here. I'm going to reach out to you. I'm going to verify.

2519
03:33:26,710 --> 03:33:35,710
I spoke after the last council meeting with a leading businessman, probably a businessman,

2520
03:33:36,530 --> 03:33:43,610
who probably brings in the most tax revenue into our city, and he flat out told me,

2521
03:33:43,610 --> 03:33:46,050
You're revenue numbers are wrong,

2522
03:33:49,360 --> 03:33:51,660
you're using a static budget.

2523
03:33:53,580 --> 03:33:56,000
You need to look at a dynamic budget. Things have changed.

2524
03:33:56,500 --> 03:34:00,060
You've had a lot of employees leave. You've laid off something.

2525
03:34:00,920 --> 03:34:08,920
Should I can tell you that one of our car dealerships sold over 160 cars on Labor Day,

2526
03:34:09,500 --> 03:34:15,160
the best since 1986, wasn't even class for clunkers to compete with that.

2527
03:34:15,940 --> 03:34:21,360
But the best since 1986, that's revenue coming into our city.

2528
03:34:22,700 --> 03:34:26,180
Now, Fred, I had one committee meeting.

2529
03:34:26,420 --> 03:34:27,440
I praised you.

2530
03:34:27,440 --> 03:34:28,040
You're a businessman.

2531
03:34:28,440 --> 03:34:28,980
I'm not.

2532
03:34:29,120 --> 03:34:30,060
I'm a public employee.

2533
03:34:30,620 --> 03:34:31,540
I'm a school teacher.

2534
03:34:33,300 --> 03:34:40,000
Before I ran for office one time, I criticized Mayor and hopefully you'll forgive me.

2535
03:34:40,000 --> 03:34:48,800
But I made the comment, because you appointed some people to certain, I think the IBDA

2536
03:34:48,800 --> 03:34:53,280
IBDA economic in for a region.

2537
03:34:54,180 --> 03:34:59,240
And I was like, you need to be appointing business people on the Council to those positions,

2538
03:35:00,540 --> 03:35:03,880
because in quite frankly, it's windy, Fred.

2539
03:35:04,360 --> 03:35:09,120
You know, I think Rikki too, Rikki manages a successful business.

2540
03:35:09,460 --> 03:35:10,820
They are in the representative of Rikki.

2541
03:35:11,260 --> 03:35:14,320
Well, now they are, but at that time it was, it wasn't.

2542
03:35:14,960 --> 03:35:17,720
But I was trying to demonstrate that time we should be trusting.

2543
03:35:18,780 --> 03:35:24,780
Now, being the public school teacher that I am, and this is how often time the budget system works,

2544
03:35:26,120 --> 03:35:29,760
constantly being made, well, where the cuts always made in the schools,

2545
03:35:30,480 --> 03:35:34,160
The teachers and the instructional citizens, the direct services to the public.

2546
03:35:34,920 --> 03:35:38,360
Every time I have to go through cuts, I turn around and there are more principles.

2547
03:35:39,460 --> 03:35:42,920
At the district office, there's more renovations at the district office.

2548
03:35:43,440 --> 03:35:46,160
It's amazing how beautiful the district office is.

2549
03:35:46,160 --> 03:35:48,280
The grass is very green and moan.

2550
03:35:49,680 --> 03:35:52,000
But we have not had book monies.

2551
03:35:53,000 --> 03:35:54,480
We have not had new computers.

2552
03:35:55,140 --> 03:36:00,460
We beg and plead for parents to donate basic supplies.

2553
03:36:02,280 --> 03:36:06,240
And I see that happening even in this chamber.

2554
03:36:07,160 --> 03:36:08,680
I agree with Councilman when we're in the mechanic.

2555
03:36:09,560 --> 03:36:13,080
If cuts don't have been made, I'm not going to make it.

2556
03:36:13,280 --> 03:36:15,700
If cuts have to be made, then so be it.

2557
03:36:16,720 --> 03:36:19,560
But until I see the numbers that justify the cuts.

2558
03:36:20,340 --> 03:36:23,100
Because whenever you cut, you're talking about a service to my constituent.

2559
03:36:23,100 --> 03:36:26,000
and you're talking about it's cut to my home.

2560
03:36:30,120 --> 03:36:34,560
And in regards to the last, we voted on this.

2561
03:36:34,920 --> 03:36:36,080
This is just a clarify.

2562
03:36:37,440 --> 03:36:40,280
So therefore, Madam City Manager, Mr. Mayor,

2563
03:36:40,840 --> 03:36:42,120
it passed by five votes.

2564
03:36:42,360 --> 03:36:43,360
It's veto proof.

2565
03:36:43,700 --> 03:36:44,060
It's Walter.

2566
03:36:45,600 --> 03:36:49,400
Those nine points are part of the pre-Penency plan,

2567
03:36:49,420 --> 03:36:50,780
which went before.

2568
03:36:51,180 --> 03:36:52,200
That would not be good.

2569
03:36:52,500 --> 03:36:52,760
OK.

2570
03:36:53,560 --> 03:36:57,160
And now we move into the game of interpretation.

2571
03:36:59,420 --> 03:37:00,000
It's a game.

2572
03:37:00,780 --> 03:37:04,720
And I can tell you that this counsel, sometimes we have voted

2573
03:37:04,720 --> 03:37:09,920
7-0 and it hasn't been implemented.

2574
03:37:13,940 --> 03:37:16,920
Far beyond the veto proof and it hasn't been implemented.

2575
03:37:22,260 --> 03:37:24,920
I support this for the certification sake.

2576
03:37:25,660 --> 03:37:35,680
If we don't, then I know that the will of the veto-proof majority of the council will not be heard.

2577
03:37:39,280 --> 03:37:44,600
And if I remember you certainly correctly, we as a council, and you know, really and I disagree on this,

2578
03:37:44,860 --> 03:37:50,840
I believe we pass an RFP that do up to RFP for the cell phone towers, and I'm still waiting to see that.

2579
03:37:50,840 --> 03:37:53,080
And how long ago was that?

2580
03:37:54,140 --> 03:37:57,660
So I mean, this council keeps voting and acting acting acting quite frankly.

2581
03:37:58,180 --> 03:38:00,820
A lot of times, it's just for not.

2582
03:38:02,220 --> 03:38:02,700
Thank you.

2583
03:38:03,140 --> 03:38:04,180
Thank you very much.

2584
03:38:04,360 --> 03:38:06,840
Mr. Stiffham Johns has passed a slip in.

2585
03:38:09,160 --> 03:38:09,760
I'm sorry.

2586
03:38:10,200 --> 03:38:10,340
Thank you.

2587
03:38:11,240 --> 03:38:11,640
I'm sorry.

2588
03:38:11,640 --> 03:38:12,340
Thank you.

2589
03:38:12,460 --> 03:38:13,240
Sorry, Mr. Johns.

2590
03:38:14,740 --> 03:38:16,860
We talked about where is the money?

2591
03:38:18,680 --> 03:38:25,920
There's no money in reserves. There's no money to pay retirees. There's no money to pay

2592
03:38:25,920 --> 03:38:31,740
our leases that we have for our city. So, whatever we do, we know that there's no money.

2593
03:38:32,260 --> 03:38:40,580
There. Now this money, this figure keeps moving the seven mistakes, but it's always

2594
03:38:40,580 --> 03:38:46,700
in the negative. You know, we have to go away into the positive for we're in an even

2595
03:38:46,700 --> 03:38:48,200
in any type of position.

2596
03:38:49,460 --> 03:38:53,300
So right now, we have to move forward with this pre-inlacing.

2597
03:38:53,520 --> 03:38:55,180
We still have to pin this in plan.

2598
03:38:55,400 --> 03:38:56,320
That's going to come forward.

2599
03:38:56,460 --> 03:39:02,640
And it's going to be more reductions in our expenditure.

2600
03:39:03,720 --> 03:39:07,160
Any type of revenue and answer that we can keep talking about is going

2601
03:39:07,160 --> 03:39:08,440
to be a long time.

2602
03:39:08,440 --> 03:39:10,300
It's going to be a long time for the kids.

2603
03:39:11,240 --> 03:39:13,360
But we have to bring that portion here.

2604
03:39:13,360 --> 03:39:20,640
So right now, all the opposite is to reduce all its damage and the only way we're going to do that is to do that.

2605
03:39:20,900 --> 03:39:21,820
Thank you.

2606
03:39:22,080 --> 03:39:24,080
What's the second on the nine point revision?

2607
03:39:26,380 --> 03:39:29,680
I need a vote on this.

2608
03:39:30,280 --> 03:39:31,280
The amendment is revision.

2609
03:39:31,980 --> 03:39:33,200
Mr. Jones.

2610
03:39:33,580 --> 03:39:34,220
Mr. Jones.

2611
03:39:34,220 --> 03:39:34,660
Mr. Jones.

2612
03:39:38,760 --> 03:39:39,480
Good evening again.

2613
03:39:39,480 --> 03:39:45,800
I have prior counts of me in seeking prior counts of me in the stress of my great concern

2614
03:39:45,800 --> 03:39:49,600
over the reduction of two staff members in our sugar vision.

2615
03:39:51,060 --> 03:39:58,100
So I've been my understanding that the transfer out before fiscal year 2012, 2013, has actually

2616
03:39:58,100 --> 03:40:09,100
been reduced to a little under 800,000 for the amount for fiscal year 11, 12, it was 1.5

2617
03:40:09,100 --> 03:40:15,040
So that's a change for about 13 in theorem.

2618
03:40:15,620 --> 03:40:20,020
Okay, so right there you've actually saved money on the transfer

2619
03:40:20,020 --> 03:40:30,020
else. Why the reduction in two staff members for a division that protects the health

2620
03:40:30,020 --> 03:40:35,420
and welfare of our community and has no impact on the general economy.

2621
03:40:36,280 --> 03:40:37,400
Thank you.

2622
03:40:38,340 --> 03:40:39,220
Thank you.

2623
03:40:39,280 --> 03:40:41,380
We need to vote down and we've got a motion that's must to count.

2624
03:40:43,100 --> 03:40:44,360
I'll be there before you vote.

2625
03:40:44,860 --> 03:40:46,100
That is a valid question.

2626
03:40:46,360 --> 03:40:49,180
We're going to have an answer to that.

2627
03:40:49,720 --> 03:40:50,200
I'm sorry.

2628
03:40:50,660 --> 03:40:51,040
Madam Chair.

2629
03:40:51,280 --> 03:40:51,420
Yes.

2630
03:40:51,500 --> 03:40:51,700
The committee.

2631
03:40:53,640 --> 03:40:58,200
When the Library Director was asking if we would like to give enough date on the discussion

2632
03:40:58,200 --> 03:41:00,040
of the Library Board meeting and certainly we would.

2633
03:41:00,200 --> 03:41:05,900
I do look at this agenda and this clarifying many of the things that were previously approved by the Council.

2634
03:41:05,900 --> 03:41:11,500
I would say that my direction to the city library director, and she can confirm this for

2635
03:41:11,500 --> 03:41:17,700
you herself, who was that our financial straits, our situation is dire, and that's

2636
03:41:17,700 --> 03:41:22,180
something I consistently said when I look at our current liabilities, these are bills that

2637
03:41:22,180 --> 03:41:30,960
are due, and it's $18.5 million, and I have total cash in the city of $18.5 million for a deficit

2638
03:41:30,960 --> 03:41:35,480
of twenty-two million dollars or twenty-two thousand dollars, we are a dire financial

2639
03:41:35,480 --> 03:41:36,020
straits.

2640
03:41:36,520 --> 03:41:39,820
We don't have the money and so we're trying to do everything that we can to reduce costs.

2641
03:41:40,060 --> 03:41:47,440
The question though, that was asked by Mr. Stefan Johns, and then made to you by Councilman

2642
03:41:47,440 --> 03:41:55,340
Johnson, is he has said that the two employees that are due for reduction in the sewer

2643
03:41:55,340 --> 03:42:00,680
on not general fund obligations, they are otherwise

2644
03:42:00,680 --> 03:42:04,460
and why they, why are they then on the covers.

2645
03:42:05,400 --> 03:42:07,440
The, as I've indicated previously,

2646
03:42:08,100 --> 03:42:10,960
the sewer fund, the water fund, and several other funds

2647
03:42:10,960 --> 03:42:12,040
are currently being analyzed.

2648
03:42:12,060 --> 03:42:14,000
But what we found is that those funds are also

2649
03:42:14,000 --> 03:42:15,400
running in a deficit position.

2650
03:42:15,760 --> 03:42:18,060
And there are contributions coming in from the general fund

2651
03:42:18,060 --> 03:42:19,500
to assist those funds.

2652
03:42:19,920 --> 03:42:21,520
So the elimination of those two positions

2653
03:42:21,520 --> 03:42:24,960
while they'll have a direct impact on the fund itself,

2654
03:42:24,960 --> 03:42:29,660
They will have an indirect impact on the general fund, which is the one that I'm most concerned with at this point in time.

2655
03:42:29,920 --> 03:42:34,580
And I would just clarify when I looked through Councilmember McCamix items.

2656
03:42:35,160 --> 03:42:43,620
The only thing that really was maybe beyond a clarification is the fact that we reference the sewer positions, which had not previously been referenced.

2657
03:42:43,700 --> 03:42:53,040
Everything else really is clarifying it's providing some additional revenue estimates and costs adjustments, which were currently in the process of evaluating what our intent had been.

2658
03:42:53,040 --> 03:42:58,560
We are in the process of preparing the dependency plan because as I've indicated, these cuts don't go far enough.

2659
03:42:59,040 --> 03:43:02,440
We still do not have a balanced budget that I could recommend that the Council approve.

2660
03:43:02,940 --> 03:43:06,600
We are in the process of updating those numbers so that the dependency plan does have that.

2661
03:43:06,660 --> 03:43:08,340
We will get that done much more quickly.

2662
03:43:08,820 --> 03:43:11,860
But so we understand truly the magnitude of these changes.

2663
03:43:12,140 --> 03:43:16,460
But also the fact that our employment basis changed at the time that we started developing that pre-financy plan.

2664
03:43:16,660 --> 03:43:20,080
It obviously took several weeks to do and working with the departments and others.

2665
03:43:20,080 --> 03:43:21,740
And so those numbers changed.

2666
03:43:22,040 --> 03:43:25,780
We did see a mass exodus and employees that's leveled off somewhat now.

2667
03:43:26,200 --> 03:43:30,220
So we have a better understanding of what our employment basis, which will facilitate the

2668
03:43:30,220 --> 03:43:31,480
preparation of that.

2669
03:43:31,660 --> 03:43:31,920
All right.

2670
03:43:32,060 --> 03:43:32,560
We have a motion.

2671
03:43:32,860 --> 03:43:33,120
A second.

2672
03:43:33,360 --> 03:43:34,880
A little bit more clarification.

2673
03:43:35,540 --> 03:43:41,660
So even now, when we go see those positions, one of the things we brought up is the health

2674
03:43:41,660 --> 03:43:48,180
and safety, and successfully the health of those positions have that been taken into effect

2675
03:43:48,180 --> 03:43:49,080
as we move.

2676
03:43:49,900 --> 03:43:54,100
It has been, but again, they've been balanced with all the other various issues.

2677
03:43:54,260 --> 03:43:59,360
I mean, the reality is, you know, we are also concerned about maintaining sufficient numbers.

2678
03:43:59,480 --> 03:44:02,100
So please officers on the streets and firefighters and things like that.

2679
03:44:02,600 --> 03:44:04,420
So unfortunately, we've had to balance all those things.

2680
03:44:04,920 --> 03:44:06,900
It's, is it optimal? Absolutely not.

2681
03:44:07,240 --> 03:44:11,220
Recommended any, any cuts to our organization that this time is really not optimal.

2682
03:44:11,820 --> 03:44:14,200
But unfortunately, it's the position that we're in.

2683
03:44:15,100 --> 03:44:17,600
Okay, but, but she didn't answer the question.

2684
03:44:18,680 --> 03:44:24,780
Those positions that are listed for cuts and its two positions do not have an impact on the general fund.

2685
03:44:25,200 --> 03:44:26,720
And again, I did ask that question.

2686
03:44:27,080 --> 03:44:31,260
Currently we found that the sewer fund and the rep used fund are operating in a deficit.

2687
03:44:31,540 --> 03:44:35,800
And so there is a general fund contribution that's being made to those funds to make them whole.

2688
03:44:36,180 --> 03:44:44,260
It will have a direct impact on the sewer fund and will also then reduce the subsidy that's currently being provided by the general funds to that fund.

2689
03:44:44,260 --> 03:44:53,160
You know, our goal would be that that fund and every other special fund really operates within their own means and does not require any kind of a contribution from the general.

2690
03:44:53,260 --> 03:44:55,120
Are you talking about student line maintenance?

2691
03:44:55,360 --> 03:44:57,960
Talking about generally, generally, the sewer fund.

2692
03:44:58,240 --> 03:44:59,840
Okay, sewer line maintenance according to the document.

2693
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:07,380
Just give us funds available, unless I'm reading this incorrectly, it's $1.67 million.

2694
03:45:10,070 --> 03:45:24,250
Okay, it doesn't look like I made it all to me, overall the fund in terms of what it cost to provide those services and the revenues that are currently there, we have anticipated there will be a subsidy to that.

2695
03:45:24,690 --> 03:45:28,870
But if we're not taking any money from the general fund, how is that possible?

2696
03:45:30,270 --> 03:45:32,910
Excuse me, not giving any money to the general fund, how is that possible?

2697
03:45:34,430 --> 03:45:35,990
This is exactly the point now.

2698
03:45:36,370 --> 03:45:37,550
The numbers keep changing.

2699
03:45:38,190 --> 03:45:39,910
These Jason here could help you.

2700
03:45:40,430 --> 03:45:41,130
He is.

2701
03:45:41,290 --> 03:45:44,870
There isn't sufficient cash in the fund to be able to provide all those services.

2702
03:45:44,970 --> 03:45:48,290
And we're trying to get that fund to a point where it can manage all this on liability.

2703
03:45:48,770 --> 03:45:52,730
We can certainly have Jason's here, and also Michael Bush will see where they can address that.

2704
03:45:52,730 --> 03:45:57,610
But again, the reality is those funds are not healthy enough to maintain the level of service

2705
03:45:57,610 --> 03:45:58,570
that we are currently providing.

2706
03:45:58,590 --> 03:45:59,910
I would like to see it in a document.

2707
03:46:00,670 --> 03:46:04,710
I'm really so exhausted of the words.

2708
03:46:05,270 --> 03:46:09,290
And I understand that I'm like, I believe the numbers don't seem to do anything in paper either

2709
03:46:09,290 --> 03:46:14,110
because as I've indicated, we are suffering from a dire financial situation.

2710
03:46:14,550 --> 03:46:18,290
And I recognize the cuts are very difficult, but we are doing our level best to be as transparent

2711
03:46:18,290 --> 03:46:21,030
as possible and provide all the information in a very timely manner.

2712
03:46:21,030 --> 03:46:26,650
But this information is changing and if you'd like to have Michael, Councilor Raquel, if you suggested that he came up

2713
03:46:26,650 --> 03:46:29,230
They certainly are here at the Diaz and can address that specifically.

2714
03:46:29,550 --> 03:46:31,250
That's general fun.

2715
03:46:31,270 --> 03:46:31,710
Okay.

2716
03:46:33,410 --> 03:46:42,110
I asked that we get an updated budget with the cuts that have already been improved.

2717
03:46:42,990 --> 03:46:47,030
The revenue suggestions and whether you want to make them or not, if you're not going to hold the

2718
03:46:47,690 --> 03:46:52,670
employee's accountable and we send all this money asking for these employees to be accountable

2719
03:46:52,670 --> 03:46:58,210
through consultants. Then you know what you might as well just close the doors. If you're

2720
03:46:58,210 --> 03:47:01,990
not going to make those people responsible for providing the revenue that they have the tools

2721
03:47:01,990 --> 03:47:09,610
to provide and you're going to accept mediocre behavior, then intent to accept it's back to

2722
03:47:09,610 --> 03:47:13,650
mediocre behavior. No, I tolerate it. But I do think we have to understand the situation

2723
03:47:13,650 --> 03:47:18,350
that are employment bases in, they are concerned about their jobs, they're concerned about

2724
03:47:18,350 --> 03:47:22,990
what the impact of this council's failure to make decisions and cuts is going to be on them.

2725
03:47:23,070 --> 03:47:26,950
They're concerned about even receiving a paycheck, and it's very difficult, we're trying

2726
03:47:26,950 --> 03:47:31,550
to deal with these situations, to also enforce certain standards who are doing that, but I don't

2727
03:47:31,550 --> 03:47:35,850
know that that's revenue I can book at this time. Okay, then I would like to have, I would like

2728
03:47:35,850 --> 03:47:40,490
to make an additional motion that goes along with the nine point plan, because, obviously,

2729
03:47:40,490 --> 03:48:04,810
If we've approved an item from two weeks ago, asking for certain cases of information that we still don't have in order for us to make these appropriate and financially complicated decisions, then the secondary portion of that motion would be to get an updated budget and budget summary, including an explanation and the methodology of the revenues that are coming in.

2730
03:48:04,810 --> 03:48:08,710
and any additional revenues that you expect to come in that have been approved by

2731
03:48:08,710 --> 03:48:14,930
Castle Action, and a reduction of the revenues that were approved by the cuts by Council

2732
03:48:14,930 --> 03:48:15,370
Action.

2733
03:48:15,750 --> 03:48:18,850
And if I can get a second to seeing that document, I would appreciate it.

2734
03:48:18,950 --> 03:48:22,850
And certainly we can provide that as Council Member O'Kamick is aware on this entire council.

2735
03:48:22,950 --> 03:48:26,990
We've already provided 18 years, worth of data on our revenues, so we can certainly update that

2736
03:48:26,990 --> 03:48:30,830
because we do have more current information based on the more recent projections.

2737
03:48:30,830 --> 03:48:36,550
Ms. City Manager, that I'm sorry, but I feel completely insulted by your

2738
03:48:36,550 --> 03:48:39,890
insinuation that I'm stupid with what you just said.

2739
03:48:40,590 --> 03:48:44,790
I know that there's 18 years of information, I studied every penny of it.

2740
03:48:45,410 --> 03:48:51,790
I'm talking about what has occurred since the news of the first week of July.

2741
03:48:52,970 --> 03:48:59,990
The retirement, the exodus from City Hall, and all the related expenses, the

2742
03:48:59,990 --> 03:49:10,350
but we're approved at the last council meeting and all of the related expenses and the revenues that were supposed to be seen by those people that we cut.

2743
03:49:11,070 --> 03:49:15,550
I'm asking for a document that updates this budget summary.

2744
03:49:16,050 --> 03:49:24,110
I would prefer if you would like my help in helping you, which I thought I was doing a good job of up until about 30 seconds ago.

2745
03:49:24,110 --> 03:49:34,890
I would appreciate it if you would help me gather the information that I've asked for and by the way that was approved at the last council meeting by five votes that I still don't have.

2746
03:49:35,370 --> 03:49:41,130
And I appreciate that I really don't need any assistance. I indicated that we would get it to you, we're in the process of doing that.

2747
03:49:41,270 --> 03:49:48,750
But we're also trying to make sure that you have current cash reports and things to that nature and that seeing more critical given the fact that we aren't able to pay our current liabilities.

2748
03:49:48,750 --> 03:49:57,410
I agree with you that updated information is valuable. We need to have it for no other reason and we now need to know what that whole that we're attempting to fill is.

2749
03:49:57,810 --> 03:50:00,430
So I concur completely that that information needs to be updated.

2750
03:50:00,950 --> 03:50:05,150
Mr. Kelly, then I'm going to go to Simpson and Mr. Bush.

2751
03:50:05,150 --> 03:50:16,430
I'll talk once again about the importance of the cuts that were recommended and the deficit that exists within the sewer fund and the backfill that's required.

2752
03:50:16,430 --> 03:50:20,430
Curve with the general fund to make that fund whole.

2753
03:50:21,670 --> 03:50:21,930
Thank you.

2754
03:50:22,070 --> 03:50:22,310
Thank you, Kelly.

2755
03:50:22,810 --> 03:50:26,970
Andrea, I'm just an observation quickly.

2756
03:50:29,410 --> 03:50:30,690
Well done.

2757
03:50:31,570 --> 03:50:33,150
Can't put professional to me now.

2758
03:50:34,150 --> 03:50:35,990
We had a conversation earlier this afternoon.

2759
03:50:36,310 --> 03:50:38,910
All of us about those types of things.

2760
03:50:39,330 --> 03:50:41,050
I understand that everybody is frustrated.

2761
03:50:42,250 --> 03:50:44,810
And that's what I expect.

2762
03:50:44,810 --> 03:50:52,090
whether it be talking with the council or electronic communication.

2763
03:50:53,350 --> 03:50:53,850
So, well done.

2764
03:50:56,900 --> 03:50:59,760
It just for a little point of clarification for myself.

2765
03:51:03,890 --> 03:51:06,710
We're $22,000 short right now.

2766
03:51:07,050 --> 03:51:08,070
Did I hear that correctly?

2767
03:51:08,130 --> 03:51:11,330
As of today, as of today, $20,000 short.

2768
03:51:12,150 --> 03:51:13,030
Is it possible?

2769
03:51:14,610 --> 03:51:17,430
Do we work with our vendors, et cetera, to say, look?

2770
03:51:17,430 --> 03:51:24,630
We anticipate that, well, we've been, it's been shared with us that there are dry

2771
03:51:24,630 --> 03:51:29,590
periods in municipalities, therefore they borrow from funds and then they pay them back

2772
03:51:29,590 --> 03:51:35,630
later on. During those dry periods, is it the professional practice of other municipalities

2773
03:51:35,630 --> 03:51:40,090
to work with vendors and say, look, this is the down period and we're going to pay you

2774
03:51:40,090 --> 03:51:45,550
later on when these revenues come in. Is that an option that a city has?

2775
03:51:45,550 --> 03:51:54,330
It certainly is an option. Some cities take longer to pay than others, which kind of helps their cash flow, because then they have that period that float peri built in.

2776
03:51:54,430 --> 03:52:10,030
Is that a policy and ordinance that the municipalities have to say that, for example, if you deliver a case of water, we're going to pay for that case of water next quarter.

2777
03:52:10,030 --> 03:52:14,830
But most cities have policies where we will have to pay within a certain time frame.

2778
03:52:14,870 --> 03:52:18,910
So the access standard, I don't believe these that we have in this handers for.

2779
03:52:19,230 --> 03:52:21,690
We generally try to pair of vendors within 30 days.

2780
03:52:22,210 --> 03:52:26,590
But again, I don't know if that's a council policy, because there are no real financial policies in place.

2781
03:52:26,830 --> 03:52:29,050
It's been a lot of our contract agreements.

2782
03:52:29,650 --> 03:52:35,150
Generally, the payment terms, you know, define when the invoice and from the data invoice when there.

2783
03:52:35,150 --> 03:52:40,330
I'm sorry for sleeping, whomever is mayor and future councils and city staff and I'd be

2784
03:52:40,330 --> 03:52:44,470
something to say, because we don't know what economic downturn is going to be hit

2785
03:52:44,470 --> 03:52:50,550
in this in the future that we might want to pay a vendor in 30 days if it's as we go through

2786
03:52:50,550 --> 03:52:56,790
that, but that really isn't to this nine point thing, but it makes me kind of understand

2787
03:52:56,790 --> 03:53:00,730
what the better is to where we, how we do business and how we operate.

2788
03:53:00,730 --> 03:53:05,070
And we've been honest with some of our vendors and just indicated to them,

2789
03:53:05,850 --> 03:53:09,210
we will do our level best, but it is when to take us longer.

2790
03:53:09,790 --> 03:53:11,630
We're trying to pay for more critical services.

2791
03:53:12,230 --> 03:53:14,970
And Kudos to those vendors who are working with us, right?

2792
03:53:15,630 --> 03:53:21,210
I understand and the concern of the song that we don't want to be

2793
03:53:21,210 --> 03:53:27,650
tinkering with the tendency plan, we've adopted it for a reason.

2794
03:53:27,650 --> 03:53:37,750
And I would caution as we go forward in the future that we don't be trying to work here and work there and what about this?

2795
03:53:37,910 --> 03:53:39,630
And we'd like this to be safe.

2796
03:53:40,790 --> 03:53:46,430
But I feel that these are legitimate and fair things to be requested that was done the last time.

2797
03:53:46,470 --> 03:53:49,870
I think it was indicated that it was a good compromise.

2798
03:53:49,870 --> 03:54:13,570
I think Councilman Johnson, you know, kind of broke some things apart, so we're going to kind of put the good compromise and I thought we were headed in that direction, but I guess on the agenda I had previously I guess we were, we're not we're any closer to solving our long term problem because I think we still have $7 million out there that we're short.

2799
03:54:14,270 --> 03:54:22,570
Well assuming that we had adopted it as and again, we're going to define now what that gap is, but yes, if we had adopted everything, that was the projection at that time.

2800
03:54:24,110 --> 03:54:33,530
And if we had acted without a veto on the previous time, come January 1, we might have had some opportunity to bring the revenue in.

2801
03:54:33,530 --> 03:54:55,590
And it could save those two employees that might save other employees that might give us the ability to fix the irrigation comes with some parts, or I understand we can't buy asphalt and it might give us an opportunity to buy some asphalt so we can fill some potholes and the list goes on and on.

2802
03:54:58,130 --> 03:55:09,610
I don't have a problem supporting this state, but I would urge my colleagues that as we go forward with a tendency plan that's going to come to us, in

2803
03:55:11,630 --> 03:55:24,690
order to stop the hammering, because based on the action that was vetoed tonight, I think that we get those numbers that Councilmember McKamak is looking for.

2804
03:55:25,710 --> 03:55:30,870
It's going to be a lot worse than what we thought it was going to be because we haven't done anything

2805
03:55:30,870 --> 03:55:37,730
because there's fuel cost, maintenance cost, lease obligations, the list goes on and on and on.

2806
03:55:38,710 --> 03:55:42,890
When she'll time, time that our employees are going to be out and

2807
03:55:46,760 --> 03:55:47,460
I guess

2808
03:55:49,670 --> 03:55:51,770
my concern is that

2809
03:55:53,570 --> 03:55:57,750
I'll go ahead and support the item, but I want to make sure that as we go forward, that

2810
03:55:58,510 --> 03:56:01,470
we're not tinkering too much and unfortunately,

2811
03:56:03,630 --> 03:56:07,530
unfortunately, we did not act on an opportunity

2812
03:56:07,530 --> 03:56:12,970
that could save some future reduction in the force.

2813
03:56:13,510 --> 03:56:15,090
Thank you.

2814
03:56:16,210 --> 03:56:21,570
We've had an explanation, but the city manager was a guard, Mr. Johnson's question.

2815
03:56:22,110 --> 03:56:27,470
Mr. Johnson, we have Mr. Simpson here, Mr. Bush, really questions about them on this.

2816
03:56:27,650 --> 03:56:29,430
All right, so let's thank you, gentlemen.

2817
03:56:30,030 --> 03:56:31,970
I have a question. Yes.

2818
03:56:33,970 --> 03:56:37,470
When will this, since we're talking about the pre-Penency Plan,

2819
03:56:37,970 --> 03:56:41,090
when will this pre-Penency Plan be filed in court?

2820
03:56:42,350 --> 03:56:45,590
There is no plan to file the pre-pandency planning court.

2821
03:56:46,690 --> 03:56:48,350
It is the penalty plan to be filed.

2822
03:56:48,870 --> 03:56:51,050
This is one ahead of it.

2823
03:56:51,370 --> 03:56:57,590
We are moving to what the goal of a penalty plan that a penalty plan, I believe, required

2824
03:56:57,590 --> 03:56:58,510
that we have a balanced.

2825
03:56:58,830 --> 03:57:04,930
The penalty plan has to require, it has to be filed, Mr. Glassman informs me that he

2826
03:57:04,930 --> 03:57:09,150
intends to mention to the court that the Council adopted a pre-pandency plan, but he

2827
03:57:09,150 --> 03:57:13,270
is not intended to file it with the court at this time.

2828
03:57:13,830 --> 03:57:17,310
So the pre-pandancy plan was not just clarified, it was not a legal requirement.

2829
03:57:17,610 --> 03:57:20,790
In essence, it was a fancy way of saying city budget.

2830
03:57:24,100 --> 03:57:26,880
Well, I don't want to get into the political aspects of it.

2831
03:57:28,500 --> 03:57:33,520
The pre-pandancy plan was not required by the bankruptcy court.

2832
03:57:34,040 --> 03:57:41,400
We did adopt a budget at the same time, and when you certainly, when you voted on the pre-pandancy

2833
03:57:41,400 --> 03:57:45,400
plan you adopted a budget for the entire year.

2834
03:57:46,440 --> 03:57:46,980
Thank you.

2835
03:57:46,980 --> 03:57:47,460
Thank you.

2836
03:57:47,460 --> 03:57:50,440
We have a report required on this.

2837
03:57:50,800 --> 03:57:54,480
Ms. McCamick amended her motion, but I did not hear a second.

2838
03:57:54,860 --> 03:57:56,020
I will second that motion.

2839
03:57:57,240 --> 03:57:57,800
All right.

2840
03:58:01,370 --> 03:58:04,390
How does the manager do you have any final thoughts on the second manner?

2841
03:58:04,570 --> 03:58:08,750
I just mentioned to the city attorney part of the reason why it was presented

2842
03:58:08,750 --> 03:58:11,870
as a pre-pandency plan is because I knew that the cuts were very drastic.

2843
03:58:11,870 --> 03:58:18,690
We didn't present that as a budget for you to adopt, but as a pre-pensive plan because it's not a balanced budget.

2844
03:58:19,370 --> 03:58:28,350
And ultimately the court is going to require, and that's why the PINSE plan will be presented to the court, but this one probably won't other than just mentioned.

2845
03:58:28,470 --> 03:58:32,930
Because ultimately the court expects that we have a balanced budget, a way that we can at least operate.

2846
03:58:33,090 --> 03:58:38,170
Recognizing we have long-term issues, and we may have a cash deficit from a prior year, we're trying to resolve.

2847
03:58:38,170 --> 03:58:43,550
But for this operating period, they expected to be a balanced budget and we really just aren't there yet.

2848
03:58:43,570 --> 03:58:45,150
We're trying to get there, but we're not there.

2849
03:58:45,430 --> 03:58:58,310
And I think you for the clarification, I guess the issue I have with it, is the public perception was out there that this was a mandate that this was a requirement by the court.

2850
03:58:58,310 --> 03:59:08,490
And, unfortunately, us seeing up here have a transparency problem, and so when the public has a perception of what's supposed to be happening,

2851
03:59:08,590 --> 03:59:12,430
then we find out later on the road will know actually that wasn't a requirement.

2852
03:59:15,620 --> 03:59:21,940
It just causes more distrust in their local government.

2853
03:59:22,960 --> 03:59:28,640
I'll be honest with you, this councilman, and I think most of us up here, thought the

2854
03:59:28,640 --> 03:59:30,640
pre-pensive plan was a legal requirement.

2855
03:59:31,480 --> 03:59:37,480
At no time was it said, we may not, we don't have to, we may mention it, we may not.

2856
03:59:38,120 --> 03:59:44,060
We were never told any of this stuff, actually what we were told was, you need to pass this

2857
03:59:44,060 --> 03:59:45,160
right now.

2858
03:59:46,480 --> 03:59:48,120
You can't mean, you can't mean payroll.

2859
03:59:49,140 --> 03:59:49,660
I understand.

2860
03:59:49,880 --> 03:59:50,940
We don't have a balance budget.

2861
03:59:50,940 --> 03:59:57,820
But quite frankly, I think we've been, as you said, we had deficit spending for many years that this council has passed.

2862
03:59:58,120 --> 03:59:59,980
But remember, part of the reason did...

2863
04:00:00,920 --> 04:00:06,440
Attorney wants to mention this is because we, according to the court, should already have had a

2864
04:00:06,440 --> 04:00:10,040
dependency plan that was approved by this council and that we were operating under.

2865
04:00:11,540 --> 04:00:13,020
Okay, so why haven't we done that?

2866
04:00:13,480 --> 04:00:19,660
Well, because we need to get to an agreement about how we're going to eliminate $45.8 million of spending.

2867
04:00:20,420 --> 04:00:25,700
You know, the court's expecting that we are operating in a manner that is within our means at this point.

2868
04:00:26,480 --> 04:00:30,120
I think there's been some miscommunication with the city manager.

2869
04:00:31,040 --> 04:00:36,280
For what Mr. Glassman has told me, it isn't anticipated by the court that we would

2870
04:00:36,280 --> 04:00:42,540
submit the penalty plan until after the challenges of the Court's jurisdiction have been

2871
04:00:42,540 --> 04:00:49,480
completed, and I'm sure that there's just a miscommunication there between Mr. Glassman

2872
04:00:49,480 --> 04:00:58,220
the city manager. He's advised me that the other cities that a file bankruptcy have had,

2873
04:00:58,320 --> 04:01:03,760
a pre-prenency plan where they call it or that, that or not. He wasn't 100% sure of that.

2874
04:01:04,240 --> 04:01:09,300
I asked him when the penalty plan would be filed. I mean the obviously answer is when

2875
04:01:09,300 --> 04:01:18,680
it's adopted. But when it, if there was a deadline, he said there is no deadline in the

2876
04:01:18,680 --> 04:01:21,700
jurisdictional challenges have been adjudicated.

2877
04:01:22,060 --> 04:01:25,440
That's the creditors who are challenging, whether we're actually bankrupt or not.

2878
04:01:26,700 --> 04:01:35,680
So I don't want to leave you with more misinformation, but I'm, I'll just say that,

2879
04:01:36,420 --> 04:01:39,380
I know the city manager and I both find Mr. Glassman challenging.

2880
04:01:40,060 --> 04:01:44,840
He's an expert on bankruptcy. Bankruptcy law. He's really focused in on that.

2881
04:01:44,840 --> 04:01:50,620
And as you sometimes try to convey to those of us, even though we're both, she and I are both lawyers,

2882
04:01:51,320 --> 04:01:58,840
as you try to convey to us an area of law that neither our city manager or anyone in my office was dealt with,

2883
04:01:59,640 --> 04:02:01,880
we sometimes find we have to go back to work verification.

2884
04:02:02,440 --> 04:02:06,580
And I think one of the problems that we face is those cities adopted balance budgets.

2885
04:02:06,720 --> 04:02:10,640
They actually had, but just had been approved by this council and they were operating under.

2886
04:02:11,060 --> 04:02:12,940
And we weren't at that point.

2887
04:02:12,940 --> 04:02:18,440
So, our situation is very unique even from among the four cities that have already filed in California.

2888
04:02:18,800 --> 04:02:20,260
We are very different and many respects.

2889
04:02:20,500 --> 04:02:24,100
Yes, if you're familiar with it, if you're familiar with it, if you're familiar with it, because we're thankful.

2890
04:02:27,130 --> 04:02:32,550
I haven't seen the manager, I just heard the city turn, and I'm not going to speak for the entire council.

2891
04:02:33,210 --> 04:02:44,630
We've heard repeatedly that this is a complicated matter, and it's very difficult for us to really get around this.

2892
04:02:45,210 --> 04:02:53,890
And I know that we have a lot of special meetings, you know, but we've kind of seen you back on the other two week track right now.

2893
04:02:54,270 --> 04:03:15,730
Is it possible that we can maybe get Mr. Bush, you know, to come in and kind of give us a, you know, give us a kind of a lesson 101 so to speak on on how all these, how this is going to be going, we're going to be going in conjunction with the attorney's office and

2894
04:03:16,370 --> 04:03:23,430
And with the special counsel that we brought on, so that we can understand that a little bit better can live an education on it.

2895
04:03:23,670 --> 04:03:29,330
I was made clear that you are always still learning. Hopefully no one ever has to, you know, go through this type of thing again.

2896
04:03:29,730 --> 04:03:38,270
But if you have an informed counsel, we can understand a little bit better. We can work with you and someone might, since the teachers at the end over there,

2897
04:03:38,390 --> 04:03:44,550
and you know that there's no stupid question, someone can ask a question that say, hey, we never thought about that and we can look at that.

2898
04:03:44,550 --> 04:03:50,010
So I would ask that we please consider doing that, so that that will save a lot of time here

2899
04:03:50,010 --> 04:03:55,190
where you're taking us and how we're going to get there as opposed to, and it might

2900
04:03:55,190 --> 04:03:56,510
work on some of the trust issues.

2901
04:03:57,290 --> 04:03:58,590
And we certainly can do that.

2902
04:03:58,630 --> 04:04:04,010
The only thing I would suggest is that we have Mr. Glassman there because we can speak from

2903
04:04:04,010 --> 04:04:08,810
a financial perspective about cities and budgets and things like that, but some of this

2904
04:04:08,810 --> 04:04:10,470
is complicated by the fact that we're in bankruptcy.

2905
04:04:10,670 --> 04:04:13,170
This isn't a normal process that we would be going through.

2906
04:04:13,170 --> 04:04:15,450
Mr. Bush, would you help us with that?

2907
04:04:15,630 --> 04:04:16,590
You won't charge us, William.

2908
04:04:17,630 --> 04:04:18,530
Thank you very much.

2909
04:04:19,810 --> 04:04:23,070
And glassman's already under contract, right?

2910
04:04:24,170 --> 04:04:28,150
Dr. Randy Mr. Bush could weigh in on the penancey plan

2911
04:04:28,150 --> 04:04:30,310
that we filed now, because even though he's not in it,

2912
04:04:30,310 --> 04:04:31,270
I don't think he's in the attorney.

2913
04:04:31,950 --> 04:04:35,510
And he's been involved in this bankruptcy process,

2914
04:04:35,790 --> 04:04:38,070
as well as Mr. Glassman, maybe he might have some insight.

2915
04:04:38,830 --> 04:04:40,990
And Madame Siddharth, thank you for that, Mr. Bush.

2916
04:04:40,990 --> 04:04:41,590
Thank you.

2917
04:04:41,930 --> 04:04:44,010
I think it would be very helpful to this council.

2918
04:04:44,590 --> 04:04:47,630
The better we understand the better we can respond to people who will leave the library

2919
04:04:47,630 --> 04:04:52,290
or the grocery store and explain to what's going on and then the more informed we are

2920
04:04:52,290 --> 04:04:55,010
the better we can work with you on getting to where we need to be.

2921
04:04:55,730 --> 04:04:57,030
All right.

2922
04:04:57,130 --> 04:05:05,670
We're way on topic here, but I suggest maybe we vote on this item and then we can ask for clarification

2923
04:05:05,670 --> 04:05:11,590
There are after on the decisions that obviously concern the council.

2924
04:05:12,030 --> 04:05:14,090
We do have a motion before us in the second.

2925
04:05:14,810 --> 04:05:15,750
Let's go on that, please.

2926
04:05:19,680 --> 04:05:19,740
All right.

2927
04:05:19,880 --> 04:05:20,720
It does not pass.

2928
04:05:22,140 --> 04:05:23,560
Let's then move to Mr. Bush.

2929
04:05:23,860 --> 04:05:24,200
Mr. Bush.

2930
04:05:24,780 --> 04:05:25,520
Pardon me, Mayor.

2931
04:05:25,960 --> 04:05:26,620
I made the motion.

2932
04:05:27,080 --> 04:05:31,200
So that means that we're not going to get the updated information about revenues and expenditures.

2933
04:05:31,860 --> 04:05:33,000
Since that was part of the motion.

2934
04:05:35,640 --> 04:05:36,920
I tend to provide that anyway.

2935
04:05:37,260 --> 04:05:37,440
Okay.

2936
04:05:37,440 --> 04:05:40,660
So there were things I asked for in the 9.5 plan to go that I still don't know.

2937
04:05:41,060 --> 04:05:46,640
And I apologize, we are trying to turn out the financial data that everyone wants as quickly as we possibly can.

2938
04:05:46,940 --> 04:05:51,360
So I'm sorry, but I want to make sure that the information is accurate before I give it to you.

2939
04:05:51,520 --> 04:05:58,800
So we're laying off sewer workers leaving the city sewer system, a tremendous public risk.

2940
04:05:59,800 --> 04:06:07,480
When the city, when the city's general fund doesn't pull from it, in years past has paid for itself.

2941
04:06:08,660 --> 04:06:12,580
And that is in years past, and again, we made recommendations to this council.

2942
04:06:13,680 --> 04:06:16,060
Those are just recommendations and we understand that.

2943
04:06:16,100 --> 04:06:20,780
Whatever the council directs us to do, but we're trying to come up with $45.8 million.

2944
04:06:21,020 --> 04:06:25,600
If the council wants to direct us not to lay those people off for a period of time, we can certainly do that as well.

2945
04:06:25,600 --> 04:06:28,940
Okay, Andrew, you're not asking us to come up with 45 anymore.

2946
04:06:29,820 --> 04:06:32,500
We've already made the cut number here.

2947
04:06:32,720 --> 04:06:36,800
Well, as we keep saying, the same number, the public keeps hearing the same number,

2948
04:06:37,200 --> 04:06:42,940
but the numbers are changing because we have already taken a huge amount of action.

2949
04:06:43,780 --> 04:06:45,300
That's why we have activated numbers.

2950
04:06:45,400 --> 04:06:47,660
We have acted on the motion, let's move along.

2951
04:06:47,780 --> 04:06:50,100
In fact, let me suggest this.

2952
04:06:50,100 --> 04:07:04,020
This conversation is now in a four and a half hours and I'm suggesting that a conversation with regard to the Pre-Pinacy Plan and the Penacy Plan

2953
04:07:04,020 --> 04:07:14,100
We scheduled that for our next Council meeting with the Special Council here with our city attorney here with Mr. Bush here with Jason Simpson here and we have that conversation

2954
04:07:16,840 --> 04:07:23,600
I think the workshop would be better, because we have so much that we do here Mr. Mayor

2955
04:07:23,600 --> 04:07:30,200
and so much tension sometimes in the workshop would be better saidy for us to resolve that.

2956
04:07:31,200 --> 04:07:41,520
Well, all that takes time and preparation and being that staff, moving in a host of directions right now to get us information we need.

2957
04:07:41,520 --> 04:07:46,500
I'm a city manager, has pledged to get to Ms. McKamick, those things that she's asked for

2958
04:07:46,500 --> 04:07:49,720
and her nine point plan that was perhaps two weeks ago.

2959
04:07:52,180 --> 04:07:52,900
Let's fine.

2960
04:07:53,380 --> 04:07:56,680
But I would disagree that a workshop is vital.

2961
04:07:57,180 --> 04:08:00,560
It's the right kind of setting for it and to educate this council on how we're going

2962
04:08:00,560 --> 04:08:05,740
to be going forward with these critical decisions that affect our residents.

2963
04:08:06,180 --> 04:08:10,980
And I'm going to take a brief break here to allow people to actually refresh themselves

2964
04:08:10,980 --> 04:08:12,460
And then we'll go to the next round.

2965
04:08:12,940 --> 04:08:18,100
And Mr. Mayor, just two things, just about the scheduling of that.

2966
04:08:18,100 --> 04:08:20,320
Our intent is to finish up those numbers.

2967
04:08:20,520 --> 04:08:21,840
We're working to do that now.

2968
04:08:22,040 --> 04:08:24,780
May very well be this week or early next that we have those.

2969
04:08:24,960 --> 04:08:28,120
And so then any time thereafter that we have a workshop or a workshop.

2970
04:08:28,120 --> 04:08:28,480
No workshop.

2971
04:08:28,720 --> 04:08:30,300
We're going to come back to the next council meeting.

2972
04:08:30,480 --> 04:08:31,640
And it's you want to come in?

2973
04:08:31,640 --> 04:08:32,320
All right.

2974
04:08:32,680 --> 04:08:34,780
City manager, I was saying that.

2975
04:08:34,860 --> 04:08:35,800
You need to get a consensus.

2976
04:08:36,940 --> 04:08:38,640
The bankruptcy issue is litigation.

2977
04:08:38,640 --> 04:08:41,980
and we, any workshop we have have been treated the same way as in the community.

2978
04:08:41,980 --> 04:08:45,100
It would be a public, published agenda that would be separate.

2979
04:10:52,700 --> 04:10:53,600
This action is more

2980
04:11:36,540 --> 04:11:40,180
to California country, where each week we tour the state to find the best

2981
04:11:40,180 --> 04:11:43,440
people places and things that make up our great state of California.

2982
04:12:37,760 --> 04:12:40,520
The partners, it's all about agribility.

2983
04:12:40,800 --> 04:12:46,600
The point of the program is to help farmers and ranchers and their families succeed in agriculture.

2984
04:12:46,920 --> 04:12:51,760
From a Kentucky farmer's struggle to regain his life fashion, to an Oklahoma caseworkers

2985
04:12:51,760 --> 04:12:55,800
That skill at physical rehabilitation tool with constant dairy

2986
04:12:55,800 --> 04:12:58,840
woman's quest to overcome debilitating arthritis.

2987
04:12:59,440 --> 04:13:02,320
Agribility is hard at work across America.

2988
04:13:02,960 --> 04:13:07,060
We're investing in people, people who can change the lives of our clientele,

2989
04:13:07,260 --> 04:13:09,040
and who are making some terrific investments.

2990
04:13:23,550 --> 04:13:24,690
Welcome to partners.

2991
04:13:25,270 --> 04:13:28,510
In the next half hour, we'll travel over nation and save right

2992
04:13:28,510 --> 04:13:33,130
through work and research education and extension.

2993
04:13:33,130 --> 04:13:42,970
That's what CSR UBS is all about, helping universities generally valuable knowledge for those who need it, and educating our next generation of Americans.

2994
04:13:43,910 --> 04:13:45,510
And now, it's time for partners.

2995
04:13:57,280 --> 04:13:59,200
The Farm is a dangerous place.

2996
04:14:00,120 --> 04:14:03,720
Agriculture is considered one of the most hazardous industries in America.

2997
04:19:33,520 --> 04:19:36,200
AECC, which is a resolution authorizing

2998
04:19:44,740 --> 04:19:46,500
motion. Is there a second, please?

2999
04:19:51,350 --> 04:19:52,150
Second to the motion.

3000
04:19:54,990 --> 04:19:59,590
AECC. Second, second, your votes, please.

3001
04:20:04,100 --> 04:20:05,580
I'm sorry, I'm getting there.

3002
04:20:16,240 --> 04:20:17,600
But I'm understanding correctly,

3003
04:20:21,080 --> 04:20:24,380
Nancy Manager, Mr. City Attorney. Why?

3004
04:20:27,370 --> 04:20:28,850
Why are these lumped together?

3005
04:20:31,850 --> 04:20:35,130
They should be too separate contracts.

3006
04:20:36,600 --> 04:20:43,000
and actually I think that they should be more than that and I think it was truthfully

3007
04:20:43,000 --> 04:20:47,420
just for ease because when we hire them initially their company provides a whole host

3008
04:20:47,420 --> 04:20:50,860
of services and kind of the way things were happening we realized that we needed

3009
04:20:50,860 --> 04:20:55,240
specialised services and just kept adding to it so we actually probably really should

3010
04:20:55,240 --> 04:21:01,200
separate these into multiple contracts and we can go back and back and back and back

3011
04:21:01,200 --> 04:21:02,760
I'll get over first.

3012
04:21:02,960 --> 04:21:04,120
That's like second.

3013
04:21:04,460 --> 04:21:05,120
Motion is second.

3014
04:21:05,420 --> 04:21:06,100
You can do weeks.

3015
04:21:06,960 --> 04:21:07,680
I'll cover the first.

3016
04:21:08,680 --> 04:21:11,240
Let's put on that motion, which means the clear first.

3017
04:21:31,380 --> 04:21:32,480
Thank you very much.

3018
04:21:33,300 --> 04:21:35,740
Let's move them to item eight.

3019
04:21:37,080 --> 04:21:37,340
The.

3020
04:21:38,340 --> 04:21:39,540
Such is the.

3021
04:21:40,180 --> 04:21:41,180
Apart apartments.

3022
04:21:42,340 --> 04:21:44,820
Opposed pre-pendency plan.

3023
04:21:45,620 --> 04:21:52,860
And we'll turn to city manager and the fire chief before discussion on that.

3024
04:21:53,900 --> 04:21:55,740
So, sort of recommend that city manager.

3025
04:21:56,120 --> 04:21:57,940
Members of Council, thank you.

3026
04:21:58,400 --> 04:21:59,040
FB last.

3027
04:21:59,780 --> 04:22:01,800
And I don't know if it was the last council meeting I apologize.

3028
04:22:01,800 --> 04:22:02,700
I don't have it in front of me.

3029
04:22:02,800 --> 04:22:03,780
I was switching gears.

3030
04:22:04,320 --> 04:22:11,240
But the council directed is that the fire chief review the proposed changes to the pre-pensive plan.

3031
04:22:11,240 --> 04:22:14,160
that was presented by Mayor Protem, Chad Kelly,

3032
04:22:14,920 --> 04:22:18,320
and then compare those to the pre-finnancy plan

3033
04:22:18,320 --> 04:22:19,660
as proposed by the fire chief,

3034
04:22:19,660 --> 04:22:21,680
the fire administration, the city manager's office,

3035
04:22:22,060 --> 04:22:25,700
and then identify or have discussions with various

3036
04:22:26,280 --> 04:22:28,160
interested parties, and then come back

3037
04:22:28,160 --> 04:22:30,540
and prepare a series of recommendations.

3038
04:22:31,000 --> 04:22:32,820
The fire chiefs had a chance to go through those,

3039
04:22:32,860 --> 04:22:36,540
and he's here this evening to record on the proposed changes

3040
04:22:36,540 --> 04:22:38,140
paired by Councilmember Kelly,

3041
04:22:38,140 --> 04:22:43,080
and then our thoughts about, we might modify the propensity plan to restructure the organization

3042
04:22:43,080 --> 04:22:47,140
to achieve some cost savings. Certainly, it's not the cost savings that we had originally

3043
04:22:47,140 --> 04:22:53,520
anticipated, but to achieve some cost savings, and then, again, make those policy recommendations to the council.

3044
04:22:53,980 --> 04:22:59,200
He has a report that the City Clerk will distribute to the council. I apologize for the lateness,

3045
04:22:59,340 --> 04:23:04,400
but he was working on it through the weekend. I received various emails from him somewhere that

3046
04:23:04,400 --> 04:23:08,980
and the summary of this item, it was posted to the city's website today for members of

3047
04:23:08,980 --> 04:23:12,920
the viewing audience and then we will get this one posted as well.

3048
04:23:13,240 --> 04:23:13,480
All right.

3049
04:23:37,530 --> 04:23:40,350
We'll turn to the fire chief,

3050
04:23:42,710 --> 04:23:42,990
hold on.

3051
04:24:04,440 --> 04:24:05,020
I'll

3052
04:24:14,740 --> 04:24:26,920
go over the plan and the comparison between the two plans and my recommendation at the end of what my best opinion is for the plan.

3053
04:24:26,920 --> 04:24:30,820
Mr. Kelly brought forward a proposal that had included eight items.

3054
04:24:32,140 --> 04:24:34,920
I'd like to point out that four of those items were already included

3055
04:24:34,920 --> 04:24:37,260
in the Penency Plan in one form or another.

3056
04:24:38,220 --> 04:24:43,080
I'll try to emphasize or concentrate on the four items that were not included

3057
04:24:43,080 --> 04:24:46,860
already in the Penency Plan, but I'll mention all eight of them.

3058
04:24:47,300 --> 04:24:52,800
Mr. Kelly's proposal, as listed, saved approximately $2.2 million

3059
04:24:52,800 --> 04:25:02,400
After reviewing the document and going through actual budgeted amounts, my best estimate of the savings associated with that proposal is actually

3060
04:25:02,400 --> 04:25:05,140
approximately $1.9 million.

3061
04:25:06,720 --> 04:25:18,280
And reviewing the documents, as I mentioned, there's some valid proposals that we had taken into consideration and incorporated into the city's pre-pensive plan prior to the release of Mr. Kelly's proposal.

3062
04:25:18,280 --> 04:25:25,280
The fire department selection did include the adoption of staffing efficiency, and these are included

3063
04:25:25,280 --> 04:25:32,420
vacation vacating the deputy fire chief's position, keeping vacant the fire marshal position,

3064
04:25:33,500 --> 04:25:39,380
also eliminating the public education officer, doing a reorganization of remaining division

3065
04:25:39,380 --> 04:25:46,580
and battalion chiefs, elimination of the cadet program, and vacating the disaster preparedness coordinator

3066
04:25:46,580 --> 04:25:48,580
when that position became vacant.

3067
04:25:53,040 --> 04:25:59,120
Also included in the proposal that we have included was the elimination of discretionary

3068
04:25:59,120 --> 04:26:04,500
funding, the elimination of a firefighter position, which we had included, and we had

3069
04:26:04,500 --> 04:26:07,980
also included several others, and vacating a fire prevention officer position.

3070
04:26:08,900 --> 04:26:14,640
As I mentioned, the first item that was presented was the staffing efficiencies.

3071
04:26:15,160 --> 04:26:18,500
This was adopted by the Council on July 2nd.

3072
04:26:18,500 --> 04:26:24,380
After further review, and going through the document, and verifying the numbers, I believe

3073
04:26:24,380 --> 04:26:32,620
a more accurate number, Mr. Kelly proposed savings in $950,000, I believe the actual estimated

3074
04:26:32,620 --> 04:26:36,080
savings would be $748,496.

3075
04:26:36,600 --> 04:26:40,320
That's included in a attachment attachment A as a comparison.

3076
04:26:42,480 --> 04:26:48,220
The second item on Mr. Kelly's proposal was to cut one battalion and reassign the personnel

3077
04:26:48,220 --> 04:26:53,700
changing companies. This would require three battalion chiefs to be

3078
04:26:53,700 --> 04:27:00,100
demoted and move back to a captain level. With the resultant loss of three

3079
04:27:00,100 --> 04:27:04,200
battalion chiefs, this would leave a staff at three battalion chiefs, one

3080
04:27:04,200 --> 04:27:12,180
per day, along with one fire chief. This would be less staffing and management than

3081
04:27:12,180 --> 04:27:18,000
Rialto, Lomolinda, Colton, our surrounding fire departments.

3082
04:27:18,740 --> 04:27:23,680
We would have less staff than they do, and we're either 304 times as big as those cities.

3083
04:27:26,160 --> 04:27:32,800
If we adopted this, there would be a 60% reduction from our 2008 levels of chief officers.

3084
04:27:34,100 --> 04:27:39,400
In 1995, the City Attorney's Office issued an opinion that outlines illegal concerns of

3085
04:27:39,400 --> 04:27:41,640
time, chiefs, and truck companies are cut.

3086
04:27:42,540 --> 04:27:47,720
This document was prepared in 1995, not only are the concerns still valid today, but I believe

3087
04:27:47,720 --> 04:27:53,020
in line to the challenges that we face today as a result of the 9-11 attacks, the need for

3088
04:27:53,020 --> 04:27:54,840
chief officers is greater than never.

3089
04:27:56,600 --> 04:28:01,160
One of the primary concerns that the city of turnies office had at the time was exposure

3090
04:28:01,160 --> 04:28:05,700
to let litigation as a result of the management failure.

3091
04:28:07,300 --> 04:28:13,780
Part of my partial list of my concerns with the elimination of one to giant, which would

3092
04:28:13,780 --> 04:28:15,340
equate to three to giant machines.

3093
04:28:16,740 --> 04:28:21,400
We would fail to have adequate command and control on large incidents, including earthquake,

3094
04:28:21,520 --> 04:28:27,860
high-rise incidents, large commercial fires, large wild land fires, multiple fires at the

3095
04:28:27,860 --> 04:28:28,920
same time, et cetera.

3096
04:28:29,740 --> 04:28:37,100
Staffing for the emergency operation center during times of disaster, without the appropriate

3097
04:28:37,100 --> 04:28:44,960
The number of chief officers, the fire department could not staff that appropriately and run the incident at the same time.

3098
04:28:45,440 --> 04:29:02,140
It's been suggested that we have a captain or some other personnel staff that is possible on some levels, but in the EOC and of a disaster of this magnitude, where you need that staffing, that is not possible.

3099
04:29:02,140 --> 04:29:18,080
The daily supervision of both routine and emerging operations at 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year would rely on one battalion chief for a 24 hour day, each 24 hour day.

3100
04:29:18,840 --> 04:29:27,180
That span of his span of control would double, and that exceeds the nationally accepted standard of one to seven.

3101
04:29:29,580 --> 04:29:36,560
The Kelley proposal indicates that administrative duties may fall behind, and assistance from other qualified personnel would be implemented.

3102
04:29:36,780 --> 04:29:38,140
Fire administrative is anilite.

3103
04:29:38,420 --> 04:29:44,980
The staff is analyzing over the past several years, and has been unable to identify a method to complete these duties.

3104
04:29:45,840 --> 04:29:52,760
Partial list of these duties are personnel investigation, maintaining training records, hiring new promote employees, promotional testing,

3105
04:29:52,760 --> 04:29:56,920
And these are even more significant now and like to the other cuts to other departments.

3106
04:29:57,640 --> 04:29:59,980
Oversight of safety equipment uniform budget.

3107
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:12,420
It's support of IT radio support, oversight of dispatch, oversight of the MS coordinator, shop and equipment, oversight, resolving specific discipline issues, etc.

3108
04:30:13,480 --> 04:30:23,940
One of the other key ones is applying for in the management of grants that would almost be eliminated, or at least greatly reduced.

3109
04:30:25,320 --> 04:30:30,360
The Kelly proposal does not identify any personnel or method to absorb these functions.

3110
04:30:30,860 --> 04:30:32,940
It elutes to some, but there's nothing specific.

3111
04:30:34,660 --> 04:30:36,500
It does promote, it does.

3112
04:30:36,500 --> 04:30:41,200
His proposal also does propose to eliminate more non-safety personnel that dispatch supervisor

3113
04:30:41,200 --> 04:30:45,420
and EMS coordinator for their impacting the remaining chief officers.

3114
04:30:49,700 --> 04:30:56,960
One of the issues that was brought up in Mr. Kelly's proposal under this section was

3115
04:30:56,960 --> 04:31:02,080
He mentions that the initial assignment, and I'll quote it exactly, this initial assignment

3116
04:31:02,080 --> 04:31:07,480
would reduce the initial attack capability by one person, rather than the brown-out alternative,

3117
04:31:08,780 --> 04:31:13,380
which reduce the initial fire attack by one engine and three firefighters, eliminating

3118
04:31:13,380 --> 04:31:17,560
any possibility of rescuing a person in need.

3119
04:31:18,680 --> 04:31:23,980
I'd just like to point out, this statement is false on misleading, he's referring or it refers

3120
04:31:23,980 --> 04:31:29,880
to an engine company captain, assuming command of a fire, thereby that would fragment his crew

3121
04:31:29,880 --> 04:31:31,660
reducing it to two.

3122
04:31:34,890 --> 04:31:37,610
And then that would be through the duration of the incident.

3123
04:31:37,710 --> 04:31:40,090
That's assuming there is no other battalion chief available.

3124
04:31:41,550 --> 04:31:46,450
As far as reducing the number of units responding, that is incorrect.

3125
04:31:47,150 --> 04:31:50,850
Currently, our initialist wants to structure fires four engine companies, one truck company

3126
04:31:50,850 --> 04:31:56,790
the chief officer and the quote states that this initial response will be reduced by one during

3127
04:31:56,790 --> 04:32:04,470
a brownout and that's not true at all. We'll always send four units if one engine is not available,

3128
04:32:04,690 --> 04:32:09,130
we'll send the next closest. So I'm not sure where that quote from came from. They also

3129
04:32:09,130 --> 04:32:15,590
will lead to talking about limiting the possibility of rescuing a person in need. That is

3130
04:32:15,590 --> 04:32:23,050
In correct also, any two firefighters on scene of a fire can affect a rescue, I don't understand

3131
04:32:23,050 --> 04:32:23,650
that comment.

3132
04:32:25,670 --> 04:32:30,010
Anyway, there are reaches a point when the expectation for staff members to continue

3133
04:32:30,010 --> 04:32:33,050
absorb more responsibilities become very responsible.

3134
04:32:33,630 --> 04:32:37,310
With three fewer of its energies, it will be virtually impossible to perform essential.

3135
04:32:38,130 --> 04:32:40,710
Runs the operations in this administrative duties.

3136
04:32:40,710 --> 04:32:47,010
The city will also recognize a decrease in service to the community in an increase in unsafe working conditions.

3137
04:32:48,750 --> 04:32:54,290
The second part of our answer, the third element of Mr. Kelly proposal was to eliminate one firefighter position.

3138
04:32:55,150 --> 04:33:02,070
It was identified to save 150,000 after closer examination is actually 137,000.

3139
04:33:02,070 --> 04:33:11,650
My proposal included that, I went farther to further reduction of seven firefighters for $940,000,000, $4,000,000.

3140
04:33:12,710 --> 04:33:18,750
The fourth element of the Mr. Kelly's proposal was to eliminate the dispatch supervisor.

3141
04:33:20,970 --> 04:33:31,950
Again, I'm opposed to this cut also, but there's some factors that I'll mitigate if I'll get to later on that we may be able to include this in our

3142
04:33:32,070 --> 04:33:34,330
as we move to bankruptcy.

3143
04:33:36,330 --> 04:33:37,970
The fire communication management position

3144
04:33:37,970 --> 04:33:40,270
provides daily supervision of our emergency

3145
04:33:40,270 --> 04:33:42,750
communication operations as well as performing other

3146
04:33:42,750 --> 04:33:45,810
essential tasks that we are mandated to perform to

3147
04:33:45,810 --> 04:33:47,890
maintain compliance with our emergency medical

3148
04:33:48,730 --> 04:33:52,430
dispatching that we currently do and with our

3149
04:33:52,430 --> 04:33:55,110
MR contracts, which is our contract with our ambulance

3150
04:33:55,110 --> 04:33:55,690
company.

3151
04:33:58,220 --> 04:34:01,760
We are mandated to perform quality assurance reviews on

3152
04:34:01,760 --> 04:34:10,320
ongoing basence in order to sustain compliance. I've met with both AMR and ISMA, who oversee

3153
04:34:10,320 --> 04:34:15,160
emergency medical delivery, ISMA oversees emergency medical delivery in the county, and

3154
04:34:15,160 --> 04:34:20,660
they both have serious concerns about our ability to maintain compliance with mandated standards

3155
04:34:20,660 --> 04:34:29,040
if the dispatch manager position is eliminated. I believe the immediate fact of the loss

3156
04:34:29,040 --> 04:34:33,600
of this, as well as our UMS coordinator, would be the loss of our contract with AMR.

3157
04:34:34,380 --> 04:34:41,160
That currently generates approximately $250,000 annually. AMR said that both of those

3158
04:34:41,160 --> 04:34:46,300
positions, if they were eliminated, would probably pull us out of compliance, and they

3159
04:34:46,300 --> 04:34:47,420
would cancel the contract.

3160
04:34:49,430 --> 04:34:53,170
The Kelly proposal mentions that a ship battalion chief is assigned as a administrator

3161
04:34:53,170 --> 04:35:00,330
of dispatch can remain responsible to oversee an administrative operations and on duty, and

3162
04:35:00,330 --> 04:35:02,970
would make the able to make day-to-day decisions.

3163
04:35:04,430 --> 04:35:08,910
The reduction of three additional these, the besides sheets, which already doubles their

3164
04:35:08,910 --> 04:35:16,030
supervision responsibilities, it's very unlikely or reasonable to assume that they're going

3165
04:35:16,030 --> 04:35:23,450
to be able to absorb that extra duty to oversee dispatch at the way it should be.

3166
04:35:25,850 --> 04:35:30,170
As I mentioned, in the original Pre-Gundancy Plan, and I just alluded to at the beginning

3167
04:35:30,170 --> 04:35:32,050
of this section, we are,

3168
04:35:35,050 --> 04:35:41,270
This will take several months to see if it is viable to enter into an agreement with them.

3169
04:35:41,810 --> 04:35:45,330
Once all the information has been obtained, we will bring it forward for consideration.

3170
04:35:45,790 --> 04:35:52,790
We are also in discussion with the police department on the feasibility of combining police and fire dispatchers within our dispatch center.

3171
04:35:53,490 --> 04:36:00,410
We may be able to realize the cost savings and improve some of our operations by combining them.

3172
04:36:00,410 --> 04:36:06,490
Our staff will analyze both options, and we'll bring them back to Council, with our recommendation

3173
04:36:06,490 --> 04:36:10,070
as which one may be adopted or to remain status quo.

3174
04:36:11,450 --> 04:36:16,230
The fifth proposal, item on the Security Council was to eliminate discretionary money.

3175
04:36:16,590 --> 04:36:17,830
Again, I have this included.

3176
04:36:18,230 --> 04:36:25,670
I've reviewed the discretionary funds further, of identified an additional $124,700 in savings,

3177
04:36:25,670 --> 04:36:30,910
and that will bring that total actually to a 206,900 dollar savings.

3178
04:36:31,670 --> 04:36:34,770
That will result in the elimination of our wellness and fitness program

3179
04:36:34,770 --> 04:36:38,850
and restructuring of our traffic collision cost recovery program.

3180
04:36:40,290 --> 04:36:43,710
The six element was the elimination of a higher prevention officer.

3181
04:36:44,710 --> 04:36:47,390
That also was included in the original plan.

3182
04:36:47,830 --> 04:36:51,450
I just like to point out that the revenues associated.

3183
04:36:52,870 --> 04:36:58,090
I'm sorry, the revenues and the associated work with those positions will not be realized

3184
04:36:58,090 --> 04:36:59,890
and they will need to be filled at some point.

3185
04:37:00,350 --> 04:37:05,230
If we continue to leave this position vacant or we allow other positions to stay vacant

3186
04:37:05,230 --> 04:37:13,630
as they happen in that division, right now we're able to work as slow down with the loss,

3187
04:37:13,650 --> 04:37:19,230
actually, a few positions we've lost the fire marshal and the fire prevention officer position.

3188
04:37:19,230 --> 04:37:23,030
We're trying to adjust as best we can, but there is a decrease in revenue.

3189
04:37:25,540 --> 04:37:31,160
The seventh item was a consolidation of the fire and city mechanic shop.

3190
04:37:31,680 --> 04:37:38,920
There was an savings identified as $60,000 per year in a question mark after that.

3191
04:37:40,360 --> 04:37:46,080
There is, through my research, the best is I could tell there would be no savings from the fire department budget.

3192
04:37:47,300 --> 04:37:51,440
This is a lease that is administered, or it's part of the EVA.

3193
04:37:52,460 --> 04:37:56,180
Therefore, I don't have control over that in my budget.

3194
04:37:56,600 --> 04:38:02,440
I'm not sure whether this would land as far as the general fund or what obligation it would be.

3195
04:38:02,820 --> 04:38:08,080
Just to briefly go on, we've looked at this over the years to consolidate these.

3196
04:38:09,940 --> 04:38:14,240
The Kelly proposal space that our current fire department can be consolidated.

3197
04:38:15,020 --> 04:38:19,620
And for several reasons, I don't feel this is feasible.

3198
04:38:20,920 --> 04:38:24,340
The city maintenance shops do not have enough room to allow for the added volume of

3199
04:38:24,340 --> 04:38:30,320
work and as we heard tonight, the refuse department may or may or may not include a bid

3200
04:38:30,320 --> 04:38:34,160
that would allow maintenance to continue at the shop.

3201
04:38:35,920 --> 04:38:43,000
As I identify later on in my document, if this is outsourced, refuse and the shop space

3202
04:38:43,000 --> 04:38:44,000
It does open up.

3203
04:38:44,000 --> 04:38:48,660
It may be feasible for us to move over there, but that is an unknown right now.

3204
04:38:49,160 --> 04:38:51,580
As I mentioned, we've looked at this over the years.

3205
04:38:51,920 --> 04:38:56,380
There's also no room to store our equipment, and also our reserve equipment.

3206
04:38:57,720 --> 04:39:04,100
We need to have that inside safe and secure and access to it 24 hours a day, seven days

3207
04:39:04,100 --> 04:39:04,940
a week.

3208
04:39:05,520 --> 04:39:09,140
There is just simply not to room at the maintenance shop.

3209
04:39:09,140 --> 04:39:12,380
the current city maintenance shop to do that.

3210
04:39:13,900 --> 04:39:20,020
Additionally, we would anticipate a relocation cost of approximately $25,000 would be

3211
04:39:20,020 --> 04:39:25,560
we would incur that cost to physically move all of our equipment tools everything

3212
04:39:26,140 --> 04:39:28,680
from our current shop to that shop.

3213
04:39:28,940 --> 04:39:35,660
That's based on when we moved from our shop that was on each street.

3214
04:39:38,160 --> 04:39:46,520
Fire management staff will, again, as I mentioned, continue to explore this option if refuse is outsourced.

3215
04:39:47,060 --> 04:39:49,480
As I mentioned in my presentation to Council,

3216
04:39:50,200 --> 04:39:56,580
Rogoli, that the last meeting, our shop, we do have an opportunity to outsource our shop.

3217
04:39:56,840 --> 04:40:03,600
And by that I mean, we can market ourselves, our smart mechanics to do work for other local fire agencies to repair their fire equipment.

3218
04:40:05,140 --> 04:40:13,740
We had actually entered into an agreement with the Forest Service, we were close to actually implementing that plan.

3219
04:40:14,560 --> 04:40:20,140
Unfortunately then we've been furthered this more a few hurdles, but it is still a very viable option.

3220
04:40:20,800 --> 04:40:24,780
And we would continue to reevaluate this to try to help us set our costs.

3221
04:40:26,730 --> 04:40:33,570
The final proposal in Mr. Kelly's plan was the elimination of the emerging medical services coordinator.

3222
04:40:35,490 --> 04:40:54,150
As I've already mentioned, several things as part of our just-back supervisor, both AMR and ISMA have serious concerns about maintaining our compliance with various mandated items if we lost this position.

3223
04:40:55,130 --> 04:41:01,590
It was alluded to that 2DMS coordinator position could be assumed by two current captains at

3224
04:41:01,590 --> 04:41:04,170
Station 2-21, as well as the EMS committee.

3225
04:41:04,550 --> 04:41:07,970
I spoke in with those two captains and they both said they'd be willing to take on the

3226
04:41:07,970 --> 04:41:10,210
added duties of the EMS coordinator if asked.

3227
04:41:10,650 --> 04:41:14,790
They also acknowledge it would add a tremendous workload for them personally and take away time

3228
04:41:14,790 --> 04:41:17,170
from their daily job as a fire captain.

3229
04:41:18,110 --> 04:41:22,430
I anticipate that the captains would have to be relieved of their duties as a shift captain

3230
04:41:22,430 --> 04:41:26,990
on a daily basis for several hours, this would require that other personnel do their work

3231
04:41:26,990 --> 04:41:31,370
as well as causing the truck arranging a company to be on a second call, which would

3232
04:41:31,370 --> 04:41:32,290
delay a response.

3233
04:41:33,090 --> 04:41:38,250
Or I'd have to backfill that position possibly with the off-duty captain, and carrying more

3234
04:41:38,250 --> 04:41:38,690
costs.

3235
04:41:41,080 --> 04:41:46,220
I believe the EMS coordinators essential to the entire fire department operation, as I mentioned,

3236
04:41:48,700 --> 04:41:55,860
the AMR, in our contract with AMR, it's specifically says,

3237
04:41:55,860 --> 04:42:12,160
that we will keep employed at all times key personnel responsible for quality improvement, program training, education programs, and overall analysis, and coordination of rescue deployment, resource deployment, excuse me, and a safety committee.

3238
04:42:13,000 --> 04:42:19,200
The EMS coordinator currently performs several of these duties in addition to the oversight of the EMS program.

3239
04:42:20,220 --> 04:42:24,160
It is unknown if the shift captains will be able to perform these duties and others.

3240
04:42:24,660 --> 04:42:32,420
Also, I assume I had concerns if a shift captain was a collateral duty for them to perform as an EMS coordinator.

3241
04:42:32,860 --> 04:42:36,780
All the other cities that currently have a captain or suppression person doing that,

3242
04:42:36,880 --> 04:42:38,260
they've assigned them to a day shift.

3243
04:42:39,160 --> 04:42:41,180
They are not a collateral duty.

3244
04:42:44,380 --> 04:42:49,320
As you, some of you may know, I assume, is in the process of an overhaul of the emergency medical transportation plan

3245
04:42:49,320 --> 04:42:51,340
throughout the entire county.

3246
04:42:51,760 --> 04:42:55,400
This will come to fruition in approximately a year and a half.

3247
04:42:56,360 --> 04:42:58,220
I mentioned this in the pre-pendancy plan.

3248
04:42:59,200 --> 04:43:02,180
The EMS coordinator will play a key role in this process

3249
04:43:02,180 --> 04:43:04,340
as we move through this.

3250
04:43:04,340 --> 04:43:08,440
You mentioned probably public private partnerships tonight.

3251
04:43:09,180 --> 04:43:13,460
There's an opportunity for us to change the way we do

3252
04:43:13,460 --> 04:43:16,600
if EMS delivery within our city.

3253
04:43:16,600 --> 04:43:24,400
there are some opportunities for us to bid for our own MS transportation or some variation

3254
04:43:24,400 --> 04:43:28,820
thereof, and the MS coordinator is going to play an important role in that.

3255
04:43:31,930 --> 04:43:37,290
There was an item or a section in Mr. Kelly's proposal, it said efficiencies to defer

3256
04:43:37,290 --> 04:43:42,630
administrative expenses. I'm going to just touch briefly on those. Again, it's in the material.

3257
04:43:44,010 --> 04:43:46,610
We have 20 current safety positions,

3258
04:43:49,700 --> 04:43:52,440
that would require, we could fill those positions,

3259
04:43:52,580 --> 04:43:57,860
that would require us to go out to do testing, also to, which would take several months.

3260
04:43:57,980 --> 04:44:01,100
We're going to have to do that regardless, probably after the first of the year.

3261
04:44:02,100 --> 04:44:07,640
Additionally, it costs just over $5,000 per individual to outfit them when it's running out

3262
04:44:07,640 --> 04:44:08,340
of safety closing.

3263
04:44:08,340 --> 04:44:17,700
That would be an additional $200,000 I'd have to locate within the budget to outfit those personnel if we went out and hired them.

3264
04:44:17,960 --> 04:44:28,180
My proposal that all presents you in just a minute would require the immediate hiring of seven per minute firefighters rather than the 20.

3265
04:44:28,660 --> 04:44:37,540
With respect to retirements, I would anticipate that the department will need to hire an additional 10 personnel before by the end of the fiscal year.

3266
04:44:37,540 --> 04:44:44,720
That number is very elusive because I'm trying to guess on people's retirement dates.

3267
04:44:45,500 --> 04:44:51,560
To date I know of four more people that will be retiring starting in October towards the end of the year.

3268
04:44:52,380 --> 04:44:52,780
And that changes.

3269
04:44:57,940 --> 04:44:59,980
The other second item in there was a...

3270
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:16,940
Within the current promotional list, until exhausted, I would, I'm in favor of that, I would do that. And just so, you know, these will probably be exhausted. Anyway, before they expire, which is in the spring, we'll probably promote everybody off of them regardless of what plan we go with.

3271
04:45:17,560 --> 04:45:26,800
The item number three was training firefighters during shift training instead of fire tower training, I don't think this is the appropriate place to really explore this.

3272
04:45:27,020 --> 04:45:37,880
I am agreement to look at minimizing the amount of time we spend there to maximize our cost savings but this would be required.

3273
04:45:38,280 --> 04:45:43,540
There are several reasons for that. Again, it wasn't quite an active statement that was presented in there.

3274
04:45:43,540 --> 04:45:49,880
We have some obligations to ISMA and also some OSHA requirements that we have to meet and it's

3275
04:45:49,880 --> 04:45:52,180
very difficult to do that on shift if non-impossible.

3276
04:45:52,360 --> 04:45:57,760
In fact, some of the people we hire probably won't be able to go on shift until we do

3277
04:45:57,760 --> 04:45:59,100
some training with them.

3278
04:46:00,950 --> 04:46:07,270
In summary, the proposal Mr. Kelly presented, if it were to be adopted, would save approximately

3279
04:46:07,270 --> 04:46:13,790
only $1.9 million. There would be a minimum of two layoffs. There would be eight

3280
04:46:13,790 --> 04:46:20,230
emotions. Those emotions would be three. Our battalion chiefs captains and engineers.

3281
04:46:23,550 --> 04:46:27,450
They would have to relocate the fire maintenance shop and it would result in the elimination

3282
04:46:27,450 --> 04:46:30,170
of the central positions from when the fire department.

3283
04:46:32,390 --> 04:46:33,790
I'm proposing a plan that will

3284
04:46:33,790 --> 04:46:38,590
save approximately $2.9 million annually.

3285
04:46:39,370 --> 04:46:41,670
There will be no layoffs or demotions.

3286
04:46:43,150 --> 04:46:46,190
There will be a loss of 13 vacant safety positions.

3287
04:46:46,910 --> 04:46:50,110
The loss of these positions will cause all-enchant and

3288
04:46:50,110 --> 04:46:53,730
truck companies within the city to be staffed by three people.

3289
04:46:55,190 --> 04:46:59,930
And we'll result in the loss of a two-person paramedic squad that would be from

3290
04:46:59,930 --> 04:47:03,250
station 226 on Del Rose, just below Highland.

3291
04:47:04,070 --> 04:47:06,590
There will be no fire station closures or brownouts.

3292
04:47:08,850 --> 04:47:12,250
I will just briefly just review the table that I've included.

3293
04:47:13,890 --> 04:47:17,130
And I'm going to be happy to answer any questions you have.

3294
04:47:17,890 --> 04:47:20,090
The staffing efficiencies is listed.

3295
04:47:21,210 --> 04:47:22,470
It shows three positions.

3296
04:47:22,730 --> 04:47:24,330
That's a public education officer.

3297
04:47:25,310 --> 04:47:27,630
The deputy chief position has been vacated

3298
04:47:27,630 --> 04:47:30,290
and the fire marshal positions have been vacated.

3299
04:47:31,770 --> 04:47:33,630
Fire prevention officer that was

3300
04:47:33,630 --> 04:47:37,290
became vacant in August as of August 1st.

3301
04:47:37,710 --> 04:47:40,450
Also, I might add the staffing efficiencies identified

3302
04:47:40,450 --> 04:47:41,850
the division chief position.

3303
04:47:41,970 --> 04:47:44,290
It's a third chief officer that was eliminated.

3304
04:47:44,530 --> 04:47:45,910
I didn't include it here because we actually

3305
04:47:45,910 --> 04:47:49,630
eliminated that position in 2008.

3306
04:47:50,490 --> 04:47:52,910
I think it was late 2008.

3307
04:47:54,270 --> 04:48:02,950
The discretionary funds, I've added more to that for a total, I've added in additional $124,700.

3308
04:48:04,410 --> 04:48:15,630
And then as I go down, there's the $75,000 for $95,000 savings and the six pure medics for another $900,000.

3309
04:48:15,710 --> 04:48:17,410
For a $2.9 million saving.

3310
04:48:21,030 --> 04:48:28,640
And just, we will work towards, as I mentioned, we're going to work towards including Mr.

3311
04:48:28,740 --> 04:48:34,980
Kelly's ideas of relocating the shot, which I think is a feasible idea if refuse

3312
04:48:34,980 --> 04:48:40,520
his outsourced, and also we're going to look at some efficiencies within dispatch either

3313
04:48:40,520 --> 04:48:48,120
combining with police side, and within our own dispatch center, or possibly outsourcing

3314
04:48:48,120 --> 04:48:50,400
to be compensated, depending on how the numbers come in.

3315
04:48:51,740 --> 04:48:53,120
If you have any answer any questions.

3316
04:48:54,020 --> 04:48:59,580
Well, I'd remember to the council, you have relatively comprehensively comprehensively.

3317
04:48:59,660 --> 04:49:01,500
I've heard it before you.

3318
04:49:01,500 --> 04:49:01,940
Eight pages?

3319
04:49:02,100 --> 04:49:02,280
What's that?

3320
04:49:02,280 --> 04:49:02,940
Do we have speakers?

3321
04:49:03,180 --> 04:49:04,040
We should hear this.

3322
04:49:04,160 --> 04:49:05,580
We do.

3323
04:49:06,060 --> 04:49:17,940
Just to note that we do have an eight page detail response from the fire sheet and a textured list of the

3324
04:49:17,940 --> 04:49:23,440
Savings that the chief at $2.9 million saving is no matter if it is to survive.

3325
04:49:24,920 --> 04:49:27,880
We do have speakers so let's just one brief one pat.

3326
04:49:28,040 --> 04:49:28,540
I'm sorry.

3327
04:49:29,140 --> 04:49:30,100
Ricky, incidental.

3328
04:49:30,600 --> 04:49:31,240
Thank you.

3329
04:49:33,000 --> 04:49:33,720
Chief,

3330
04:49:36,490 --> 04:49:47,340
did you give the City Management Office the reduction in revenue that corresponds with that they can

3331
04:49:47,340 --> 04:49:50,780
that happened on August 1 for the fire prevention officer.

3332
04:49:51,440 --> 04:49:56,740
I haven't done that yet because it only happened as of August and we are trying to calculate

3333
04:49:56,740 --> 04:49:57,420
it now.

3334
04:49:57,680 --> 04:49:58,980
So it's only been a few months.

3335
04:49:59,640 --> 04:50:02,020
But for 11 more months.

3336
04:50:02,440 --> 04:50:02,680
Correct.

3337
04:50:03,120 --> 04:50:06,880
We're actually able, and the hard part to calculate is we're able to keep up with some of

3338
04:50:06,880 --> 04:50:10,840
the work, but not all of it and we don't know how much it's going to fall off just yet.

3339
04:50:11,200 --> 04:50:16,000
Okay, well that's just, that just illustrates my point that when we lose an employee that's

3340
04:50:17,940 --> 04:50:26,380
that the plan hasn't caught up with that revenue reduction, and you know, I'm hoping the existing employees

3341
04:50:26,380 --> 04:50:31,780
stepped up to the plate and not only produced the revenue that that employee would have produced, but more.

3342
04:50:32,180 --> 04:50:38,820
But again, that's not in plan that we were presented in August. So that's just kind of illicit at my point. Thank you.

3343
04:50:40,740 --> 04:50:52,320
Mr. Johnson, thank you. I appreciate the comparison with both proposals. However, the original

3344
04:50:52,320 --> 04:51:00,340
proposal caused for, I think, 3.4 million dollars correct in reduction in this one is

3345
04:51:00,340 --> 04:51:08,800
only 2.9. Correct. The major difference, if I might, is rather than proposing that the

3346
04:51:08,800 --> 04:51:14,680
the elimination of the responding engine. I proposed the elimination of a squad. I listened

3347
04:51:14,680 --> 04:51:22,280
to the council, I listened to some other input. So we don't close the station. All 12 stations

3348
04:51:22,280 --> 04:51:28,280
will remain open. I tried to mitigate that. There is, but also it comes with a corresponding

3349
04:51:28,280 --> 04:51:30,540
loss of approximately a half million dollars.

3350
04:51:31,340 --> 04:51:37,460
There are also, I'll pay seven, where you talk about the efficiencies to defer administrative

3351
04:51:37,460 --> 04:51:38,020
expenses.

3352
04:51:39,100 --> 04:51:41,660
Are you proposing hiring seven new people?

3353
04:51:41,960 --> 04:51:42,520
I would.

3354
04:51:42,760 --> 04:51:43,140
Yes.

3355
04:51:43,600 --> 04:51:44,680
And I'm glad you brought that up.

3356
04:51:45,540 --> 04:51:46,440
Either way we go.

3357
04:51:46,600 --> 04:51:53,900
We're critical right now, as far as to make sure all our positions are filled.

3358
04:51:55,600 --> 04:52:03,260
And if this proposal that I presented right here was passed or adopted, I would advocate

3359
04:52:03,260 --> 04:52:04,300
to go out in higher seven.

3360
04:52:04,440 --> 04:52:08,900
We have six individuals as of a month or two ago that had passed backgrounds and we're

3361
04:52:08,900 --> 04:52:11,320
ready to move on to the next phase with them.

3362
04:52:11,440 --> 04:52:12,400
We could offer them a job.

3363
04:52:12,980 --> 04:52:16,280
We also have another group that we're ready to look at again.

3364
04:52:17,520 --> 04:52:18,800
But yeah, we would need to do that.

3365
04:52:18,860 --> 04:52:21,220
And I just want to add them and go off topic here just briefly.

3366
04:52:21,220 --> 04:52:26,260
there's been a lot said about the overtime that the fire department earns, the firefighters,

3367
04:52:26,500 --> 04:52:31,440
captains and engineers, I just want everybody to know that you're going to see a lot this

3368
04:52:31,440 --> 04:52:35,860
same for this year and I'll take responsibility for that and the reason I'll do that is because

3369
04:52:37,120 --> 04:52:44,940
we've been asked, we've been asked in January, to prepare a reduction of cost savings and we've

3370
04:52:44,940 --> 04:52:52,740
for proposals to the council throughout this year, and none of them were adopted, but yet we're

3371
04:52:52,740 --> 04:52:58,440
kind of have our hands tied. We can't, I wasn't able to hire, because we have a safer grant.

3372
04:52:58,620 --> 04:53:03,760
We could jeopardize that and some other things that said, no, just keep it, keep status quo.

3373
04:53:04,620 --> 04:53:09,380
Our vacancies are prepped up to 20. We have to backfill those, and the reason we have to

3374
04:53:09,380 --> 04:53:15,040
just to maintain the staffing that we have. So until we actually cut a unit off the street,

3375
04:53:15,140 --> 04:53:20,300
you know, that's just to keep minimum operations going. That's what I need to do. So

3376
04:53:20,300 --> 04:53:25,000
it's no fault of the firefighters. I'll take responsibility for it. So you're going

3377
04:53:25,000 --> 04:53:30,120
to see some big numbers again this year. But that's just the nature of our business.

3378
04:53:30,120 --> 04:53:32,940
I'm sorry, a member as far as over time.

3379
04:53:33,260 --> 04:53:33,440
Correct.

3380
04:53:34,800 --> 04:53:39,520
But as much as a pivotal tour of staffing model,

3381
04:53:39,720 --> 04:53:40,820
I'll continue with staffing model.

3382
04:53:41,640 --> 04:53:42,500
Well, that's in part.

3383
04:53:42,960 --> 04:53:43,800
There's a minimum.

3384
04:53:44,500 --> 04:53:45,640
And that's what's very confusing.

3385
04:53:45,900 --> 04:53:48,040
People confuse minimum of staffing and constant staffing.

3386
04:53:48,160 --> 04:53:50,080
Minimum staffing is where a city may say,

3387
04:53:50,260 --> 04:53:53,140
we want to staff thirty firefighters per day,

3388
04:53:53,200 --> 04:53:54,320
or thirty personnel per day,

3389
04:53:54,480 --> 04:53:56,320
there's several surrounding cities that have that.

3390
04:53:56,960 --> 04:53:57,820
And they're tied to that.

3391
04:53:57,920 --> 04:54:00,100
Our constant staffing is that there's a vacancy.

3392
04:54:00,100 --> 04:54:02,720
to fill it with an off-duty firefighter.

3393
04:54:02,880 --> 04:54:06,100
We don't carry extra firefighters that would, in other words,

3394
04:54:06,320 --> 04:54:09,920
we incur the cost of either carrying an extra person

3395
04:54:09,920 --> 04:54:13,500
and then putting them into a hole with sick position

3396
04:54:13,500 --> 04:54:15,040
or an injury position.

3397
04:54:17,140 --> 04:54:18,580
And that's the way we used to do it.

3398
04:54:18,660 --> 04:54:21,120
We used to carry 18 firefighters over.

3399
04:54:21,360 --> 04:54:21,920
That's it.

3400
04:54:22,680 --> 04:54:25,060
Is it not a substance that must cost with format?

3401
04:54:25,340 --> 04:54:29,380
It because it's just an uncalled firefighter's supposed.

3402
04:54:29,380 --> 04:54:35,280
No, you're actually paying them in and that's why we went to constant staffing. It was actually cheaper at the time

3403
04:54:35,280 --> 04:54:38,340
And you have to balance what their person what their cost are

3404
04:54:38,860 --> 04:54:48,240
What a cost employ them salary benefits all of that and then factor that in with time and a half. So it's it's a it constantly changes right now

3405
04:54:49,940 --> 04:54:52,060
And don't go beyond it

3406
04:54:52,060 --> 04:54:55,720
But I know for the firefighters it was slightly cheaper entry level firefighters

3407
04:54:55,720 --> 04:55:02,340
It's a higher to fill a position with a new firefighter, but that changes as benefits change and

3408
04:55:02,340 --> 04:55:04,540
purge rates change on the employer side.

3409
04:55:05,300 --> 04:55:09,280
So, if I heard you correctly, you can constate, man, you say you used to say money?

3410
04:55:09,860 --> 04:55:14,400
It can go both ways, and that's why I said, it hasn't saved the city money.

3411
04:55:15,000 --> 04:55:16,600
I believe in the past it has.

3412
04:55:16,980 --> 04:55:21,580
So all of this year is a meeting up on the overtime that saved the city money, interesting.

3413
04:55:21,580 --> 04:55:23,740
So thank you.

3414
04:55:23,800 --> 04:55:28,480
Since I'm still asking questions, I appreciate coming out of mine sharing the floor.

3415
04:55:29,340 --> 04:55:33,580
It's contemplated, but generally we move there.

3416
04:55:33,820 --> 04:55:34,380
Definitely say money.

3417
04:55:34,720 --> 04:55:36,300
You have to be on analysis every year.

3418
04:55:36,540 --> 04:55:41,080
So what we have right now is the hiring, the minimum and cost.

3419
04:55:41,800 --> 04:55:43,120
That's a good analogy.

3420
04:55:44,060 --> 04:55:49,840
We can't reduce the number of people that we deploy every day until the council gives us approval

3421
04:55:49,840 --> 04:55:56,360
say hey don't don't staff that don't put four people on that unit only put three and once once

3422
04:55:56,360 --> 04:56:02,640
once we have that approval then we could not staff one of those positions so until we get that approval

3423
04:56:02,640 --> 04:56:09,580
yeah we're kind of out of minimum staffing level so one thing that kind of mind when you mentioned

3424
04:56:10,720 --> 04:56:13,840
out in the sources of the mechanic.

3425
04:56:15,040 --> 04:56:17,780
So obviously, we have people that are looking

3426
04:56:17,780 --> 04:56:20,980
to fire department and also have that ability to win.

3427
04:56:22,360 --> 04:56:23,820
As far as I'm sorry, mechanic.

3428
04:56:25,220 --> 04:56:26,420
Well, we have our shop mechanics.

3429
04:56:27,800 --> 04:56:29,880
And they're actually certified as fire mechanics.

3430
04:56:30,260 --> 04:56:33,400
There's extra training that they have to receive

3431
04:56:33,400 --> 04:56:34,440
that have to be certified.

3432
04:56:35,200 --> 04:56:38,020
So we currently have our four at the shop.

3433
04:56:38,020 --> 04:56:46,280
We may have to add an additional mechanic or two, but the cost or the answer to revenue that they would produce would offset their cost.

3434
04:56:47,000 --> 04:56:53,220
We're more than pay for themselves, and then probably in most, but we wouldn't do it unless it helps offset our costs also.

3435
04:56:54,540 --> 04:57:02,720
We've had several departments locally approaches, and they're interested if we can get the program up and running.

3436
04:57:02,720 --> 04:57:03,480
If

3437
04:57:06,480 --> 04:57:13,080
we have another fireman, the panic ability, that will be held for a long part.

3438
04:57:14,760 --> 04:57:18,320
Yeah, we actually are, it's tough.

3439
04:57:18,500 --> 04:57:22,980
We'd have to reassign them to the shop and the firefighters, it's more expensive than a mechanic.

3440
04:57:23,200 --> 04:57:27,240
So we wouldn't want to hire a mechanic as far as cost.

3441
04:57:28,600 --> 04:57:37,040
We used to do that, we used to, when we got, we were down to just a couple mechanics and for a period of time we would go in there and do our own work.

3442
04:57:37,500 --> 04:57:43,340
As firefighters take a unit out of the service for an hour or two and we would change oil, change shires, do those kinds of things.

3443
04:57:43,520 --> 04:57:45,600
Believe me, that is not somewhere we want to go.

3444
04:57:45,900 --> 04:57:47,800
I've done it and it's not a good option.

3445
04:57:49,520 --> 04:57:51,740
I like our mechanics, our mechanics do a great job.

3446
04:57:54,100 --> 04:57:54,640
All right.

3447
04:57:54,640 --> 04:57:57,700
of the questions of the people who she, who she read.

3448
04:57:57,800 --> 04:57:59,980
My question is on the city manager.

3449
04:58:00,720 --> 04:58:01,980
You have a great Tennessee plan.

3450
04:58:03,000 --> 04:58:07,280
Your pre-Penency plan was counting on 3.4 out of fire,

3451
04:58:08,100 --> 04:58:12,760
and now we're 2.9, and if the chief is satisfied,

3452
04:58:13,160 --> 04:58:16,420
the key can operate at that level, that's fine.

3453
04:58:16,820 --> 04:58:19,680
But what does that mean to the dependency plan?

3454
04:58:19,800 --> 04:58:20,700
Pre-Penency plan?

3455
04:58:20,880 --> 04:58:23,340
We got to get that 500,000 somewhere else.

3456
04:58:26,600 --> 04:58:32,760
As I indicated, we're in the process of updating the numbers based on the changes that the council has made over the last several weeks.

3457
04:58:33,280 --> 04:58:34,720
The revenue adjustments and things.

3458
04:58:35,000 --> 04:58:38,720
So I don't really know exactly what that's going to mean because there have been a whole host of changes.

3459
04:58:39,340 --> 04:58:41,260
But yes, this does affect that number.

3460
04:58:41,480 --> 04:58:45,340
It's no longer 7 million, but it's not 7 million anymore because of some of the other changes.

3461
04:58:45,340 --> 04:58:45,860
I understand.

3462
04:58:46,980 --> 04:58:48,740
But it is going to impact.

3463
04:58:48,960 --> 04:58:55,240
I mean, if we take out over here, it's going to impact over there unless we're replacing it with some sort of revenue.

3464
04:58:56,620 --> 04:58:57,880
Okay, thank you.

3465
04:58:57,920 --> 04:58:59,080
We have afternoon earlier.

3466
04:58:59,640 --> 04:59:00,720
We do have speakers.

3467
04:59:01,080 --> 04:59:02,240
One of them is speakers now.

3468
04:59:02,420 --> 04:59:03,940
We can do the conversation at the table.

3469
04:59:05,340 --> 04:59:05,860
All right?

3470
04:59:06,360 --> 04:59:08,620
We'll call our speakers up then.

3471
04:59:08,740 --> 04:59:12,640
Paul Sandborn, followed by Eric Kestival, followed by Deb.

3472
04:59:13,760 --> 04:59:15,020
Bunker, or Burger.

3473
04:59:18,170 --> 04:59:18,550
Would you be able to do that?

3474
04:59:24,740 --> 04:59:25,600
Good evening.

3475
04:59:25,760 --> 04:59:26,060
Good evening.

3476
04:59:26,060 --> 04:59:26,800
Good morning, Council.

3477
04:59:29,120 --> 04:59:30,680
What your hand is there?

3478
04:59:30,680 --> 04:59:38,500
you can look at that while I talk to you. The maximum number of positions that could be reduced

3479
04:59:38,500 --> 04:59:45,100
could be around $22, and that would be roughly around $2.9 million. This will likely

3480
04:59:45,100 --> 04:59:50,960
result in delays in the tacking structure and wildline fires potentially leading the

3481
04:59:50,960 --> 04:59:55,880
increased life and property laws. It's no fact that engine staff with three personnel

3482
04:59:55,880 --> 04:59:59,980
or less, can wind up at 38% less defective.

3483
05:00:01,650 --> 05:00:10,630
Firefighter injury rates increased by as much as 36%. You watch the fires down there, as you see in Woodland, whatever you call it down there in LA.

3484
05:00:11,290 --> 05:00:16,870
That stuff is dry up there. I don't know which program you're going to go with, so that's the reason I'm talking the way I am.

3485
05:00:17,270 --> 05:00:23,150
I don't want any reductions. I don't want any votes leading. That's the way I would like to see it.

3486
05:00:26,100 --> 05:00:27,920
We're coming up against the tough deal.

3487
05:00:28,060 --> 05:00:33,480
The other thing is, too, if you wind up start cutting people or doing any brownouts on any

3488
05:00:33,480 --> 05:00:38,600
station, you could be as far as way as 18 minutes before they get there.

3489
05:00:39,180 --> 05:00:42,780
If you're lucky enough, maybe you've got a friend who'll give you CPR for 18 minutes so

3490
05:00:42,780 --> 05:00:43,800
the fire gets there.

3491
05:00:44,480 --> 05:00:45,580
That's if you're lucky enough.

3492
05:00:51,290 --> 05:00:59,110
The one other thing that I wanted to cover is, we're down 20 positions and looking at

3493
05:00:59,110 --> 05:01:04,690
this pre-pandancy plan, I'd like somebody to explain to me how it is that we go from

3494
05:01:04,690 --> 05:01:15,630
33 million to 36 million to 39 million dollars. How are we keeping up 3 million dollars a year?

3495
05:01:15,850 --> 05:01:19,730
I'm trying to figure that out. Looking at this, I mean, this don't make sense to me.

3496
05:01:22,750 --> 05:01:23,250
No answer?

3497
05:01:24,130 --> 05:01:27,210
We'll respond after all those because it's okay.

3498
05:01:27,590 --> 05:01:29,730
Okay, thank you. Have a good evening. Thank you, Mr. Senwa.

3499
05:01:30,910 --> 05:01:31,790
Eric Eskival,

3500
05:01:44,360 --> 05:01:48,220
Mary Council, my name is Eric Eskival. I'm a citizen of the

3501
05:01:48,220 --> 05:01:53,680
Tangi for the fire department here. We all have a tough job to do here. I've

3502
05:01:53,680 --> 05:01:57,780
been working here 26 years, and this is not the type of decisions that we want

3503
05:01:57,780 --> 05:02:02,520
to make as administrators. We want to see our fire department flourish. We want

3504
05:02:02,520 --> 05:02:07,100
to see them grow. I've been out there with you. I've been out there with you

3505
05:02:07,100 --> 05:02:15,360
for a lot of you as a firefighter because I believe in what we do. Unfortunately, we have

3506
05:02:15,360 --> 05:02:23,500
a severe budget crisis. We don't want to make the cuts. But we've been sworn to serve,

3507
05:02:24,580 --> 05:02:30,420
we've been sworn to serve our people, the firefighters here, we've been sworn to serve

3508
05:02:30,420 --> 05:02:37,800
Our community, our residents, our city to be responsible to our city leadership, and also to

3509
05:02:37,800 --> 05:02:41,980
our business partners in the city that generate the revenue for this community.

3510
05:02:43,780 --> 05:02:47,460
The difficulty that we face is in making this all work.

3511
05:02:48,440 --> 05:02:50,120
It's very difficult to make a work.

3512
05:02:52,260 --> 05:02:58,420
Because of that, I ask that you support our fire chief in a balanced cut.

3513
05:03:00,310 --> 05:03:10,630
it reduces liability. As he mentions in 1995, there was an opinion from the city attorney's office saying to not cut.

3514
05:03:11,470 --> 05:03:15,470
He would open this up to liability. We had 10 chief officers at that time. We have 7.

3515
05:03:16,970 --> 05:03:24,650
This current proposal takes us to a 60% cut. That equates if we were to look at it as 7 fire stations closing.

3516
05:03:26,050 --> 05:03:27,390
that's very drastic.

3517
05:03:31,160 --> 05:03:36,520
The ISO-grading scale, which is the insurance services office, states that

3518
05:03:36,520 --> 05:03:40,580
whenever there's more than two fire stations you should have in the system chief in order to

3519
05:03:40,580 --> 05:03:46,400
back up the chief in the case he's gone. For every eight companies or major fraction thereof,

3520
05:03:46,800 --> 05:03:54,440
you should have a suppression battalion chief. We have the two, and we shouldn't go below that.

3521
05:03:54,440 --> 05:03:57,020
We have 14 fire companies at this time.

3522
05:03:59,220 --> 05:04:02,320
The industry standard in fire services is five to one span of control.

3523
05:04:03,340 --> 05:04:04,940
Now that depends if you can go down to three,

3524
05:04:05,520 --> 05:04:07,460
or you can go to seven dependent on the technicality

3525
05:04:07,460 --> 05:04:10,120
or how much work needs to be done.

3526
05:04:11,840 --> 05:04:13,180
There's a lot of NIOSH reports.

3527
05:04:13,260 --> 05:04:18,100
NIOSH report is the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.

3528
05:04:18,500 --> 05:04:21,440
And in those, there's always five common denominators.

3529
05:04:22,120 --> 05:04:27,980
One of them is lack of incident command and control, lack of an incident safety officer,

3530
05:04:28,500 --> 05:04:35,320
crew fragmentation, communication issues, and lack of an assistant for the incident commander.

3531
05:04:36,660 --> 05:04:39,440
I ask of you to support the fire chief.

3532
05:04:39,860 --> 05:04:43,600
We have a BMW fire department right now, but we have a Corolla budget.

3533
05:04:44,380 --> 05:04:46,160
Don't eliminate the safety features.

3534
05:04:48,140 --> 05:04:48,540
Thank you.

3535
05:04:48,540 --> 05:04:49,300
Thank you, Mr. Westerko.

3536
05:04:50,320 --> 05:04:57,400
Deb, her or is it, is it funger, and it's funger?

3537
05:04:57,620 --> 05:04:58,200
Thank you.

3538
05:05:00,740 --> 05:05:02,100
Good evening, Mayor and Councilman.

3539
05:05:02,800 --> 05:05:03,420
I'm Deb Vunger.

3540
05:05:03,580 --> 05:05:05,060
I am from Friendly Village.

3541
05:05:05,640 --> 05:05:08,300
In the last, less than a week, we have had two fires.

3542
05:05:08,840 --> 05:05:11,640
One in Friendly Village with a fresh can between two homes.

3543
05:05:12,140 --> 05:05:13,940
And one in Orange Ward along a fence line.

3544
05:05:14,520 --> 05:05:17,380
Both we feel were set by kids just playing around.

3545
05:05:17,380 --> 05:05:25,660
Had it not been for the rapid response of the firefighters in that area, we would have homes gone and people would be homeless right now.

3546
05:05:26,380 --> 05:05:32,720
And if anybody is familiar with the mobile home, the older ones just takes one little spark and the whole thing is gone.

3547
05:05:32,920 --> 05:05:37,860
They wrap, they burn very rapid and very hot and they will jump from home to home.

3548
05:05:38,240 --> 05:05:41,560
So by having one start, it can change reaction to the whole park.

3549
05:05:41,840 --> 05:05:44,420
It's a major concern with the people and these two parks.

3550
05:05:45,180 --> 05:05:48,680
We would really like to keep our fire stations in Ward 3 open.

3551
05:05:49,140 --> 05:05:54,480
There are many mobile home parks in that area, and they also, in 1911, from what I

3552
05:05:54,480 --> 05:05:57,760
understand, jointly worked with Colton Rialto and Womalinda.

3553
05:05:58,020 --> 05:06:02,880
But from what I understand, there's no compensation from those three cities for our help in

3554
05:06:02,880 --> 05:06:03,980
their cities.

3555
05:06:04,480 --> 05:06:09,080
And that would be an area that may be needed to be looked at as a form of bringing in revenue

3556
05:06:09,080 --> 05:06:09,880
for the city.

3557
05:06:10,800 --> 05:06:13,200
Thank you very much.

3558
05:06:13,700 --> 05:06:14,160
Barbara Whitman.

3559
05:06:17,800 --> 05:06:18,480
Barbara Whitman.

3560
05:06:22,520 --> 05:06:23,880
Followed by John Mattley.

3561
05:06:51,410 --> 05:06:52,150
Good evening.

3562
05:06:53,690 --> 05:06:56,130
I'm a resident of Ward 3.

3563
05:06:56,770 --> 05:06:59,470
I've been a resident since the late 1960s

3564
05:06:59,470 --> 05:07:01,570
have seen a lot of changes there.

3565
05:07:02,570 --> 05:07:04,490
And I want to say,

3566
05:07:04,690 --> 05:07:05,610
along with just lady,

3567
05:07:06,210 --> 05:07:09,830
don't cut the fire or the police.

3568
05:07:09,830 --> 05:07:16,910
I live within two teams of the city line between San Bernardino and Redlands.

3569
05:07:17,650 --> 05:07:20,370
Redlands doesn't take care of anything out there.

3570
05:07:20,590 --> 05:07:21,590
They could care less.

3571
05:07:21,990 --> 05:07:26,910
They got all kinds of big warehouses and so on.

3572
05:07:27,190 --> 05:07:34,390
They could care less what happens to the people in our neighborhood, which is right next door.

3573
05:07:34,390 --> 05:07:41,370
So, on Mountain View Avenue, which actually should be residents responsibility, they don't.

3574
05:07:41,390 --> 05:07:44,930
I drove by there a couple of days ago and I saw a white cross.

3575
05:07:45,430 --> 05:07:47,050
I've never seen any white cross of there.

3576
05:07:47,110 --> 05:07:50,850
So, somebody died right there near the ten freeway.

3577
05:07:51,910 --> 05:07:52,890
Okay, next.

3578
05:07:56,720 --> 05:07:59,800
I said, police, don't cut police.

3579
05:08:00,400 --> 05:08:03,320
San Bernardino Avenue is very, very busy.

3580
05:08:03,320 --> 05:08:14,350
One afternoon we counted on 19 state-of-big wins, one down our street, San Bernardino Avenue,

3581
05:08:14,870 --> 05:08:16,230
and the afternoon on Sunday.

3582
05:08:17,430 --> 05:08:23,650
Now, Jack Brown said, oh no, we're so we're going to be like that when they built their ability

3583
05:08:23,650 --> 05:08:25,330
there on a typical move.

3584
05:08:25,670 --> 05:08:26,690
Well, it is there.

3585
05:08:27,150 --> 05:08:28,950
I think Jack Brown knew it.

3586
05:08:29,230 --> 05:08:34,590
And I'm sure he's a very fine person, but there's no responsibility as far as

3587
05:08:34,590 --> 05:08:41,670
traffic, lots of children are on that street, waiting for school buses every day.

3588
05:08:41,910 --> 05:08:46,390
You've seen in the morning and afternoon, that's when we need the police.

3589
05:08:47,010 --> 05:08:48,030
We need the protection.

3590
05:08:49,970 --> 05:08:52,470
I do suggest one cut,

3591
05:08:54,920 --> 05:08:55,840
code enforcement.

3592
05:08:56,860 --> 05:08:59,900
They become a nuisance to us instead of the help.

3593
05:09:01,080 --> 05:09:07,240
So, cut too well, you want to make a cut, cut in code enforcement.

3594
05:09:07,940 --> 05:09:09,340
We don't need them that much.

3595
05:09:10,060 --> 05:09:11,780
And they go and they harassed people.

3596
05:09:12,200 --> 05:09:18,060
This one lady, they harassed her till she had to borrow $10,000 to get work on her roof.

3597
05:09:20,540 --> 05:09:25,200
Other couples that live out there, we don't have a rich residency.

3598
05:09:25,900 --> 05:09:27,400
It's an old, old area.

3599
05:09:27,920 --> 05:09:35,960
So, think of our people. Okay? You want to cut somebody, cut, go in for us. Thank you.

3600
05:09:36,580 --> 05:09:38,600
John Mattley, followed by Jim Smith,

3601
05:09:56,920 --> 05:09:59,000
here, member of the Government members of the Common Council.

3602
05:09:59,440 --> 05:10:04,960
First, I don't believe that the presentation Chief just did is posted on website anywhere,

3603
05:10:05,400 --> 05:10:10,980
so I would encourage that people out there because I know there's a lot of people in the community that would really like to see this analysis.

3604
05:10:10,980 --> 05:10:14,420
It was hard to digest it when you're just hearing it and not seeing anything.

3605
05:10:17,200 --> 05:10:22,540
I am concerned about the lack of actionable risk data in what's been presented so far.

3606
05:10:23,080 --> 05:10:25,580
Budgeting for public safety is an exercise and risk management.

3607
05:10:26,220 --> 05:10:27,180
It should be data driven.

3608
05:10:27,520 --> 05:10:33,780
It requires no great expertise to state that altering public safety resources can either increase or decrease the risk of public safety.

3609
05:10:34,300 --> 05:10:37,920
The question should be, what is the cost of a particular public safety initiative?

3610
05:10:37,920 --> 05:10:42,900
What is the expected cost in life and property if that is not money is not spent?

3611
05:10:43,160 --> 05:10:44,420
Can we afford the cost?

3612
05:10:44,720 --> 05:10:45,620
Can we afford the risk?

3613
05:10:45,860 --> 05:10:49,640
And can these dollars be spent more effectively in some other public safety initiative?

3614
05:10:51,340 --> 05:10:55,100
What is the impact of the proposed changes to public safety on any of these plans?

3615
05:10:56,040 --> 05:10:58,320
For most of these items, this is completely no-able.

3616
05:10:58,520 --> 05:11:02,260
Somewhere there is historical data that tells us what the impact of the community would

3617
05:11:02,260 --> 05:11:06,340
be to close the station, reduce chief officers or eliminate any other specific service.

3618
05:11:06,340 --> 05:11:12,380
If you don't have the resources, I'd suggest maybe reaching out to a community asking for volunteers to help you dig through the data.

3619
05:11:12,760 --> 05:11:16,480
This might be something where you find there are some people in the community that can help.

3620
05:11:18,260 --> 05:11:23,780
Without the data, the decision makers are left with nothing but gut-fail intuition, fear, and certainty and doubt.

3621
05:11:23,980 --> 05:11:28,760
Mostly, we just have arguments filled by emotion, but we are left of in a real knowledge.

3622
05:11:29,700 --> 05:11:35,360
This has been my great frustration about a string of public decisions that have occurred over the years in the city.

3623
05:11:35,860 --> 05:11:37,900
How many firemen do we need on an engine?

3624
05:11:38,380 --> 05:11:41,500
What's the impact of closing in neighborhood public safety office?

3625
05:11:41,640 --> 05:11:44,440
What's the risk of running out of fire station and many other decisions?

3626
05:11:45,200 --> 05:11:50,280
On all these issues, the risk are easily quantifiable, but they are never quantified.

3627
05:11:51,300 --> 05:11:55,520
I urge you to take this opportunity to begin a culture of professional risk management, analyze

3628
05:11:55,520 --> 05:11:59,640
the data, quantify the risk, and let the council make an informed decision.

3629
05:12:00,200 --> 05:12:04,540
If you need help ask, you might be surprised how many offers come in from the community.

3630
05:12:04,540 --> 05:12:05,920
Thank you.

3631
05:12:05,920 --> 05:12:06,680
Thank you.

3632
05:12:07,560 --> 05:12:08,480
Mr. Smith.

3633
05:12:17,540 --> 05:12:19,900
I'm getting out of a rare city council person.

3634
05:12:20,400 --> 05:12:20,840
Staff.

3635
05:12:22,220 --> 05:12:27,780
It's a great deal of honor to have the opportunity to discuss this very important matter.

3636
05:12:28,660 --> 05:12:33,520
I raise and support of the Fire Chiefs' compromise plan.

3637
05:12:34,140 --> 05:12:36,400
I do that for quite a few reasons.

3638
05:12:36,980 --> 05:12:42,840
The main reason I think tonight that really nailed it for me was that testimony was

3639
05:12:42,840 --> 05:12:50,240
given by the gentleman, the firefighter from the county. I mean, he's an expert. We talked a lot

3640
05:12:50,240 --> 05:12:57,240
about tonight, a lot, about trust. We have to trust our professionals. Citizens come up, can

3641
05:12:57,240 --> 05:13:05,280
come up here, Councilman can talk about different areas, but they run the department. So let

3642
05:13:05,280 --> 05:13:11,660
him run the department, just like all of our other departments. You accepted all of their plans,

3643
05:13:13,800 --> 05:13:20,580
including the police chiefs plan, so why is this different from that?

3644
05:13:20,840 --> 05:13:22,580
I think we need to be consistent.

3645
05:13:22,900 --> 05:13:25,000
I think that's what our constituents want.

3646
05:13:25,680 --> 05:13:34,080
They want us to come up with their conclusions tonight to adopt this pre-decinsic plan

3647
05:13:34,550 --> 05:13:41,000
and do it now so we can stop losing $125,000 a day.

3648
05:13:41,000 --> 05:13:46,880
That's the urgency of this. You say, well, we're rushing to judgment. No we're rushing to

3649
05:13:46,880 --> 05:13:54,020
we're rushing to judgment to save money in the city. And the city manager, as a minister,

3650
05:13:54,560 --> 05:14:00,020
has said that many, many times. So we have to trust, trust had individual. Again,

3651
05:14:00,420 --> 05:14:07,420
cross the professionals. That's what we pay them for. And let's not try to make our individual

3652
05:14:07,420 --> 05:14:14,880
decisions through an outward influence about how we feel about the safety of the city.

3653
05:14:15,340 --> 05:14:22,380
If this gentleman standing up there does it know how to keep our city safe, who else does?

3654
05:14:22,820 --> 05:14:23,800
Let's support him tonight.

3655
05:14:24,320 --> 05:14:25,380
Thank you.

3656
05:14:25,880 --> 05:14:28,960
All right, so that's where final public speaker members of the Council will come back to

3657
05:14:28,960 --> 05:14:29,540
the table.

3658
05:14:30,480 --> 05:14:31,080
Move to table.

3659
05:14:31,580 --> 05:14:31,920
Second.

3660
05:14:33,040 --> 05:14:33,720
Move to table.

3661
05:14:34,720 --> 05:14:35,120
Second.

3662
05:14:37,360 --> 05:14:38,220
There's a motion to table.

3663
05:14:38,220 --> 05:14:43,240
left or for the discussion so we're going on the most new table.

3664
05:15:11,090 --> 05:15:20,010
As a matter of table, it can come back to council at the next duty. If you're in a desirable, but it's

3665
05:15:20,010 --> 05:15:26,130
table for this session. Let's move ahead then with the next item on the agenda.

3666
05:15:26,730 --> 05:15:35,830
Now, let me suggest that every time there's a revenue reduction because of a cut or a revenue

3667
05:15:35,830 --> 05:15:43,870
increase because of an addition that the Council has decided upon that that needs to be reflected

3668
05:15:43,870 --> 05:15:48,290
in the document that we then get to vote on.

3669
05:15:48,550 --> 05:15:54,150
And I know we've already voted on a pre-pendancy plan, but that was a tendency.

3670
05:15:57,940 --> 05:16:07,080
That was not a budget, and until we can get an update of the changes that the Council makes

3671
05:16:07,080 --> 05:16:15,220
each council meeting, or somebody else's retirees that wasn't anticipated, and that's going

3672
05:16:15,220 --> 05:16:20,740
to be left as the vacancy, then we need to have updated numbers so that every council meeting,

3673
05:16:21,300 --> 05:16:27,880
we know either how closer or how further away we're getting from the ultimate target, and we

3674
05:16:27,880 --> 05:16:34,820
can talk about where we're going, or where we are, or what numbers we are up or down, until I have

3675
05:16:34,820 --> 05:16:39,800
document in front of me, I'm going to have to be doing a lot of abstaining, because I just

3676
05:16:39,800 --> 05:16:44,280
don't have enough information to make an informed decision. So I'm just giving the heads up.

3677
05:16:44,800 --> 05:16:50,700
Let's move it. Item eight, e. It's a approval of unclassified personal actions, so that's presented

3678
05:16:50,700 --> 05:16:53,500
before us in the back of material.

3679
05:16:55,880 --> 05:16:59,240
We need action on this or discussion. What does your place

3680
05:16:59,240 --> 05:17:05,240
Some moved, but I think we have really had a great blow these down.

3681
05:17:05,300 --> 05:17:05,860
One at a time.

3682
05:17:07,540 --> 05:17:12,980
I'll take my motions to approve the end class by personal action.

3683
05:17:13,320 --> 05:17:16,780
This is made by the Director of Human Resources, and of course, the same policies and procedures.

3684
05:17:18,960 --> 05:17:19,420
All right.

3685
05:17:19,460 --> 05:17:20,020
We have a motion.

3686
05:17:20,200 --> 05:17:21,160
I don't have a second.

3687
05:17:28,170 --> 05:17:30,590
And there's a second to that motion to approve these items.

3688
05:17:32,590 --> 05:17:35,590
And we need to go to on this motion.

3689
05:17:37,630 --> 05:17:38,530
Come on.

3690
05:17:38,590 --> 05:17:39,750
Yes, sir.

3691
05:17:39,810 --> 05:17:41,330
There you are, sir.

3692
05:17:41,870 --> 05:17:44,830
Five positions that are up.

3693
05:17:44,890 --> 05:17:46,710
One of the monetary motions.

3694
05:17:48,050 --> 05:17:49,210
We got a promotion.

3695
05:17:50,430 --> 05:17:54,950
And one is an appointment to a position.

3696
05:17:56,150 --> 05:17:58,990
In the past, when we have these personal decisions,

3697
05:17:58,990 --> 05:18:05,890
is they were followed with an explanation as to why they are needed.

3698
05:18:06,370 --> 05:18:11,630
The voluntary demotion and I don't think that leads an explanation, that is a benefit,

3699
05:18:12,510 --> 05:18:20,170
but the other ones are going to be some kind of impact on positive number, which we try to

3700
05:18:20,170 --> 05:18:27,270
reduce expenditure and so they will be helpful if they have an explanation and followed

3701
05:18:27,270 --> 05:18:32,190
with them. You know, as well as the appointment, one as well.

3702
05:18:32,970 --> 05:18:36,090
As to so that we know what we're moving forward.

3703
05:18:36,270 --> 05:18:38,430
Exactly to the reality enough.

3704
05:18:38,630 --> 05:18:39,690
But it's very spicy.

3705
05:18:40,590 --> 05:18:43,030
And the estimation I've killed is warranted.

3706
05:18:43,190 --> 05:18:43,690
I'll be happy.

3707
05:18:44,410 --> 05:18:46,490
He's at all as you suggest.

3708
05:18:46,870 --> 05:18:50,050
But the voluntary emotion is in the city of first office.

3709
05:18:50,230 --> 05:18:53,230
The others are promotions within the city.

3710
05:18:53,330 --> 05:18:54,110
Turn his office.

3711
05:18:54,110 --> 05:18:56,230
So it's just a criminal aspect of those.

3712
05:18:56,310 --> 05:18:59,770
Yes, sir, not myself, but Senior Assistant City Attorney,

3713
05:19:00,150 --> 05:19:03,070
a joining leader, I would like to speak to those.

3714
05:19:04,250 --> 05:19:06,910
The end of the last one is a appointment

3715
05:19:06,910 --> 05:19:12,470
in the Treasury's office, which I have no information about.

3716
05:19:12,550 --> 05:19:13,050
Oh, good.

3717
05:19:13,310 --> 05:19:13,730
It's wet.

3718
05:19:14,510 --> 05:19:15,430
Thank you, Your Honor.

3719
05:19:16,630 --> 05:19:19,850
We passed out two different organizations, charts,

3720
05:19:19,990 --> 05:19:22,210
to you right after a closed session.

3721
05:19:22,210 --> 05:19:29,930
And if you look at those, you can see the office as it should be, as it's with all the vacant positions.

3722
05:19:30,730 --> 05:19:38,610
And then you can see what's titled proposed organization chart, which is how the office is currently being won.

3723
05:19:39,750 --> 05:19:51,530
As you can remember last meeting, you approved our budget where we got 1.887 million from our 2012-13 budget,

3724
05:19:51,530 --> 05:19:57,530
which was a 32% cut, all these promotions were factored into that budget cut.

3725
05:19:58,190 --> 05:20:03,230
As you can see, we have several vacant positions and these three positions that we're

3726
05:20:03,230 --> 05:20:09,950
asking to promote those individuals have taken on extra duties and are covering for several

3727
05:20:09,950 --> 05:20:11,110
vacant positions.

3728
05:20:11,490 --> 05:20:17,470
We feel that it's proper to do these promotions consider a amount of work that has been put

3729
05:20:17,470 --> 05:20:23,910
these three individuals. And in the secretaries section, you can see we have four vacant

3730
05:20:23,910 --> 05:20:30,410
secretary positions that are being covered by three people. And we're asking to

3731
05:20:30,410 --> 05:20:36,610
promote two of those people under the deputy city attorneys. You can see we have actually

3732
05:20:37,150 --> 05:20:42,310
two supervisory positions they can't and one senior deputy position vacant, which is

3733
05:20:42,310 --> 05:20:49,650
How causes to put more work on our deputy attorneys and the exists, and that's why we're asking to promote that person.

3734
05:20:50,790 --> 05:20:52,370
The honours further comment.

3735
05:20:53,330 --> 05:21:00,870
You'll see we have six vacant positions, and this pride is indicated, three city training positions, three legal secretaries.

3736
05:21:02,690 --> 05:21:06,350
The State Attorney's Office, like all the other offices, all the employees who are taking

3737
05:21:06,350 --> 05:21:15,760
a 10% pay cut for the last three years, and we have reorganized the office of considerable

3738
05:21:15,760 --> 05:21:16,580
downsizing.

3739
05:21:17,820 --> 05:21:27,020
Again, as you can see, the former organization chart, which is the second page, shows the vacant

3740
05:21:27,020 --> 05:21:28,560
positions of where we are.

3741
05:21:29,460 --> 05:21:32,120
It's not just a structural matter, it's a great deal of work.

3742
05:21:32,280 --> 05:21:38,780
The bankruptcy has added hours and hours and hours of work to the city attorney's office.

3743
05:21:39,720 --> 05:21:48,820
In the case of the vacant, well, would be vacant administrative supervisor position, excuse me,

3744
05:21:49,000 --> 05:21:49,380
just vacant.

3745
05:21:50,900 --> 05:21:55,060
If the executive assistant to the city attorney has promoted that position, it leaves that position

3746
05:21:55,060 --> 05:21:55,480
vacant.

3747
05:21:55,480 --> 05:22:01,560
We have a legal secretary who is very well qualified to serve as executive assistant at the city attorney.

3748
05:22:02,020 --> 05:22:10,860
Right now, that lady is working overtime as she does since that prior position became vacant.

3749
05:22:12,480 --> 05:22:15,260
And overtime is paid time and a half.

3750
05:22:16,240 --> 05:22:22,900
The executive assistant of the city attorney is a management position, and overtime is not paid for that position.

3751
05:22:24,120 --> 05:22:33,960
We have asked two of the people holding Secretaryial positions in the office to step up in addition to their

3752
05:22:33,960 --> 05:22:40,400
10% pay cuts, in addition to the time they have been working and take on the management responsibility.

3753
05:22:42,100 --> 05:22:47,660
The request here is that they be paid for the additional work that they are performing.

3754
05:22:48,980 --> 05:22:54,500
If we had not cut three or 20 positions, three legal secretary positions, we would certainly

3755
05:22:54,500 --> 05:22:55,480
not be coming back.

3756
05:22:55,640 --> 05:22:58,860
We were asked to make a 30 percent cut, and made a 32 percent cut.

3757
05:23:00,300 --> 05:23:05,780
And the money for these promotions is included in the budget that you approved at the last

3758
05:23:05,780 --> 05:23:06,640
council meeting.

3759
05:23:07,620 --> 05:23:14,940
In the case of the administrative supervisor, the salary increase is offset by the lack of

3760
05:23:14,940 --> 05:23:19,680
over time because that person will be continuing to stay here, it's 20 minutes to 9 now.

3761
05:23:20,520 --> 05:23:25,000
So you're normally the off of 530, you should be continuing to stay here until this meeting is over,

3762
05:23:25,020 --> 05:23:31,220
at time and a half, if you're in the administrative position, they're not, they don't get paid the overtime.

3763
05:23:32,120 --> 05:23:41,080
The other individual is our city prosecutor who had worked for five years for this attorney's office up north.

3764
05:23:41,080 --> 05:23:51,740
We hired her as a deputy city attorney, she's doing an excellent job, we've had very positive comments on her from the judges and from the chief of police.

3765
05:23:52,740 --> 05:24:01,560
And one of the judges has informed me that I need to be concerned because he thinks the DA's office may try to get her into their office.

3766
05:24:01,940 --> 05:24:08,380
We don't want to lose her, it's difficult to get really good prosecutors in city attorney's offices.

3767
05:24:09,440 --> 05:24:11,720
They often prefer to go to the D.A.'s office.

3768
05:24:12,620 --> 05:24:15,680
She has not made any indication that she's interested in leaving.

3769
05:24:16,360 --> 05:24:20,960
In fact, she seems pleased to be here, but we would normally

3770
05:24:20,960 --> 05:24:26,920
have brought an attorney and a prosecutor with her years of experience in

3771
05:24:26,920 --> 05:24:27,540
as a two.

3772
05:24:28,320 --> 05:24:31,780
We didn't do that because quite frankly, it was a hiring

3773
05:24:31,780 --> 05:24:33,820
market for the city.

3774
05:24:33,820 --> 05:24:42,900
We're right now we're getting a lot of positive results from this particular attorney and the

3775
05:24:42,900 --> 05:24:47,460
fine she's bringing in are more than double the amount of her pay.

3776
05:24:48,860 --> 05:24:50,860
So we think these are justified.

3777
05:24:51,360 --> 05:24:58,860
It is an unusual situation, just as bankruptcy is, but the city departments have to continue

3778
05:24:58,860 --> 05:25:04,380
defunction. We've lost some of our most talented people, some of our most experienced people

3779
05:25:04,380 --> 05:25:09,500
who retired, and some of them retired at our urging, because we were trying to save money,

3780
05:25:10,560 --> 05:25:15,820
but their duties still need to be performed. So that's the request that we're making of it.

3781
05:25:16,280 --> 05:25:20,760
All right, all right. Other questions in Mr. Pinnon, or...

3782
05:25:20,760 --> 05:25:21,380
Excuse me.

3783
05:25:21,920 --> 05:25:28,840
Mr. Mayor, I did want to indicate these are all with included within the budget cuts that were proposed to...

3784
05:25:28,840 --> 05:25:29,260
of it.

3785
05:25:30,260 --> 05:25:30,420
Right.

3786
05:25:31,540 --> 05:25:32,220
Questions?

3787
05:25:33,160 --> 05:25:33,920
Social residents.

3788
05:25:34,180 --> 05:25:34,700
Come at.

3789
05:25:34,900 --> 05:25:35,760
There's five items.

3790
05:25:36,040 --> 05:25:36,680
Five people.

3791
05:25:36,860 --> 05:25:37,600
Five positions.

3792
05:25:38,620 --> 05:25:41,420
Obviously I can support a voluntary emotion.

3793
05:25:42,060 --> 05:25:44,280
I'm not currently supporting promotions.

3794
05:25:46,700 --> 05:25:51,080
And I understand the state of the treasurer's department is just one person.

3795
05:25:51,440 --> 05:25:52,080
Anyway, two people.

3796
05:25:52,360 --> 05:25:53,920
I mean, the elected treasurer.

3797
05:25:55,980 --> 05:25:56,220
No.

3798
05:25:56,220 --> 05:26:02,600
But if you recall, as much as, you know, we are trying to identify for council consideration,

3799
05:26:02,780 --> 05:26:06,680
any possible reductions, we did not recommend any changes to the treasurer's office

3800
05:26:06,680 --> 05:26:11,140
because one of the things that needs to be strengthened within this city are the internal controls.

3801
05:26:11,860 --> 05:26:16,920
So this is a position that we did not recommend be eliminated because he had, and I apologize.

3802
05:26:17,360 --> 05:26:18,700
I think I'm recalling correctly.

3803
05:26:18,960 --> 05:26:22,400
He had someone retire or separate from the city's employment.

3804
05:26:22,820 --> 05:26:25,880
Someone was promoted into that position and it wasn't born big.

3805
05:26:25,880 --> 05:26:34,160
And that's one big answer. So I think that's a ten and a need of that operation. They have to have two people in there. Yes, because again the internal support

3806
05:26:35,240 --> 05:26:36,880
one and five

3807
05:26:37,460 --> 05:26:44,040
but the motion's not going to allow me to be that motion is to prove all of the items from the Jenkins system.

3808
05:26:44,040 --> 05:26:48,000
But I can't tell you the comment.

3809
05:26:48,260 --> 05:26:49,300
Yes, it's further coming.

3810
05:26:49,600 --> 05:26:51,160
And I appreciate that information.

3811
05:26:51,900 --> 05:26:52,860
And I'll see if you can turn it off.

3812
05:26:53,200 --> 05:26:53,620
It's real.

3813
05:26:54,780 --> 05:26:59,260
But the fact that a matter of being a burden of crisis and emotion,

3814
05:27:00,000 --> 05:27:02,760
which is the main emotion, even with the explanation,

3815
05:27:03,520 --> 05:27:05,220
right now, it's just not the time.

3816
05:27:05,940 --> 05:27:06,940
So I can let it go.

3817
05:27:07,500 --> 05:27:08,160
All right.

3818
05:27:08,680 --> 05:27:09,700
Does McKenley convince?

3819
05:27:10,080 --> 05:27:11,400
Just to clarify,

3820
05:27:12,120 --> 05:27:12,460
Ms. Greger.

3821
05:27:13,480 --> 05:27:17,240
If both of those positions, I'm sorry to bother you.

3822
05:27:18,180 --> 05:27:21,280
The both of these positions, the administrative supervisor,

3823
05:27:21,540 --> 05:27:23,480
and the executive assistant city attorney,

3824
05:27:24,140 --> 05:27:26,160
is no longer being paid over time,

3825
05:27:26,460 --> 05:27:28,400
in essence, they're really not being promoted.

3826
05:27:29,400 --> 05:27:31,680
I mean, they'll be being promoted in terms of the title,

3827
05:27:32,440 --> 05:27:33,660
but not in terms of wages.

3828
05:27:34,580 --> 05:27:36,600
Craig, we'll be offset by the law.

3829
05:27:37,180 --> 05:27:37,340
Okay.

3830
05:27:38,040 --> 05:27:38,460
Thank you.

3831
05:27:38,800 --> 05:27:41,320
So it prevents them from being paid over time,

3832
05:27:41,320 --> 05:27:42,400
I've been promoted.

3833
05:27:43,440 --> 05:27:45,020
Thank you.

3834
05:27:45,200 --> 05:27:45,560
All right.

3835
05:27:46,540 --> 05:27:47,300
I'm sorry.

3836
05:27:47,640 --> 05:27:55,720
In our mind, my colleagues, we continue the item for a couple of weeks, so at the next

3837
05:27:55,720 --> 05:28:00,920
meeting, we're going to be voting on it for when I see contract of her 16,000 a month.

3838
05:28:01,860 --> 05:28:09,960
So to me, these are minor adjustments, I would encourage, especially if it's offset.

3839
05:28:11,900 --> 05:28:17,140
because there are not a lot of them receiving over time for the salary itself.

3840
05:28:17,720 --> 05:28:22,460
Thank you for reminding me that I also remind you that there are a whole city industry.

3841
05:28:22,820 --> 05:28:27,040
There are people who are multi-tasking and you don't do a triple work.

3842
05:28:27,520 --> 05:28:31,860
And unfortunately, they can't come and advocate for those proposals.

3843
05:28:32,460 --> 05:28:35,120
Like, unfortunately, like that, and back to the position can.

3844
05:28:36,400 --> 05:28:42,080
Okay, well, while we're making these comments then, I was not wanting to support the voluntary

3845
05:28:42,080 --> 05:28:46,300
demotion of the City Clerk's office because I've already described that there's revenue

3846
05:28:46,300 --> 05:28:48,080
reduction related to that.

3847
05:28:49,160 --> 05:28:53,880
And the unfortunate part is, if the City Business Inspector could be out there making their

3848
05:28:53,880 --> 05:29:02,240
salary plus some double triple, which is true, this doesn't look to me like you're adding

3849
05:29:02,240 --> 05:29:06,320
Revening to that position, of course, fighting Revening to that position.

3850
05:29:06,940 --> 05:29:12,980
So did you miss how to get that revenue reduction to the city manager's office?

3851
05:29:16,500 --> 05:29:16,720
Yes.

3852
05:29:17,360 --> 05:29:18,460
You gave the revenue reduction.

3853
05:29:20,120 --> 05:29:23,660
Well, I have discussed the change in my office.

3854
05:29:24,060 --> 05:29:28,880
We don't believe there will be a revenue reduction because of the way we pre-reording mission.

3855
05:29:29,040 --> 05:29:31,580
So let's play this back at the end of the fiscal year.

3856
05:29:32,080 --> 05:29:36,700
And at the State Clerk's office hasn't provided the revenues not only that they said they would,

3857
05:29:37,080 --> 05:29:42,840
but in additional amounts of money, since everybody's supposed to be doing more with less.

3858
05:29:43,880 --> 05:29:47,560
And your office was one of the major revenue production offices.

3859
05:29:48,740 --> 05:29:51,380
Then we're going to have to make some additional cuts at the end of the year.

3860
05:29:53,160 --> 05:29:55,880
All right, we have a motion in the second. I'm sorry, Mr. Billby.

3861
05:29:55,880 --> 05:29:59,680
where I too will not be supporting their strategies.

3862
05:30:02,280 --> 05:30:15,920
Unfortunately, I understand Mr. Chairman the need for rewarding those individuals for their exemplary service to the city and to your office, I just came to support you.

3863
05:30:17,120 --> 05:30:21,220
So, with that, let's go to the rule both, please.

3864
05:30:26,720 --> 05:30:29,280
It fails. Let's move on to the next item on the agenda.

3865
05:30:31,890 --> 05:30:32,330
I could

3866
05:30:34,380 --> 05:30:38,100
say that I would like to do a little bit of a favor.

3867
05:30:38,800 --> 05:30:41,060
Then I could sort of make emotions out of thickness to count on.

3868
05:30:41,160 --> 05:30:42,620
It failed. The whole item failed.

3869
05:30:43,180 --> 05:30:44,220
Right. I'd make a motion.

3870
05:30:44,980 --> 05:30:47,320
Number one.

3871
05:30:48,320 --> 05:30:52,140
There's a motion in the second to reduce the voluntary commotion.

3872
05:30:53,460 --> 05:30:54,300
Let's vote on that.

3873
05:31:03,590 --> 05:31:04,830
Are you asking for a voice vote?

3874
05:31:05,350 --> 05:31:09,330
All right. Then those in favor of the voluntary commotion, let's say aye.

3875
05:31:10,710 --> 05:31:10,790
Aye.

3876
05:31:13,650 --> 05:31:15,950
Those both have stayed.

3877
05:31:17,570 --> 05:31:20,450
I think we've got no action on that as well.

3878
05:31:21,370 --> 05:31:22,570
Okay, let's come back to the table.

3879
05:31:23,010 --> 05:31:25,910
Are there any other motion relative to this personnel?

3880
05:31:26,090 --> 05:31:27,790
I think we need some of the first results.

3881
05:31:28,050 --> 05:31:29,530
All of them will get back to the personnel.

3882
05:31:30,130 --> 05:31:31,330
All right, there's a second.

3883
05:31:31,490 --> 05:31:36,810
Motion that we support the person's, the person's election.

3884
05:31:37,010 --> 05:31:39,010
This slide is a city treasures from Chloe.

3885
05:31:39,050 --> 05:31:40,290
There's a motion in the second.

3886
05:31:40,910 --> 05:31:42,610
Do you want a voice vote on that as well?

3887
05:31:42,610 --> 05:31:43,510
Madam clerk.

3888
05:31:43,710 --> 05:31:44,290
Is that there?

3889
05:31:44,490 --> 05:31:46,090
Are those in favour of that?

3890
05:31:46,310 --> 05:31:47,030
Say, sir.

3891
05:31:47,250 --> 05:31:47,870
She's got that.

3892
05:31:49,990 --> 05:31:50,330
Aye.

3893
05:31:50,330 --> 05:31:50,910
All right.

3894
05:31:51,490 --> 05:31:52,270
Those opposed, may?

3895
05:31:53,290 --> 05:31:53,530
No.

3896
05:31:53,950 --> 05:31:54,090
No.

3897
05:31:54,090 --> 05:31:54,390
I'm saying.

3898
05:31:55,250 --> 05:31:55,570
All right.

3899
05:31:55,630 --> 05:31:56,370
I think that feels as well.

3900
05:31:56,550 --> 05:31:59,550
We have universal failure on personal matters.

3901
05:32:00,810 --> 05:32:01,770
Let's move along.

3902
05:32:02,870 --> 05:32:05,390
Then to the item of that key.

3903
05:32:07,210 --> 05:32:08,010
This is a.

3904
05:32:08,550 --> 05:32:12,790
So, the RFP in which we will be extension, the motion is to authorize the staff to extend

3905
05:32:12,790 --> 05:32:17,070
in which you can, upon the existing excitement and remorse with local vendors for a month

3906
05:32:17,070 --> 05:32:22,010
and month basis, and authorize the city manager to give notice to the county of the city's

3907
05:32:22,010 --> 05:32:23,910
intention not to extend the waste delivery agreement.

3908
05:32:24,310 --> 05:32:24,790
Move to table.

3909
05:32:26,530 --> 05:32:33,270
There's a motion table that closes the discussion, let's vote on that, can we do a electronic

3910
05:32:33,270 --> 05:32:34,150
vote?

3911
05:32:35,410 --> 05:32:35,850
All right?

3912
05:33:01,260 --> 05:33:03,140
All right, we have action on that.

3913
05:33:03,380 --> 05:33:07,980
Let's move then, bottom A, G, it's also from public works.

3914
05:33:08,200 --> 05:33:09,280
It concerns the resolution.

3915
05:33:10,040 --> 05:33:12,260
We're moving the joint instrument, we're going to tell Edison,

3916
05:33:12,480 --> 05:33:13,500
we're going to change your proof.

3917
05:33:14,100 --> 05:33:17,620
There's a motion to approve that the limit was so-called Edison.

3918
05:33:18,640 --> 05:33:21,420
On the hotline, frame crossing, we're a motion of second,

3919
05:33:21,640 --> 05:33:22,660
we're both on that place.

3920
05:33:23,520 --> 05:33:24,600
I'd like to speak, yes.

3921
05:33:24,880 --> 05:33:26,460
I'd like to speak, if you would, please.

3922
05:33:29,460 --> 05:33:30,620
Is this coming from public works?

3923
05:33:30,840 --> 05:33:31,460
It's Mr. Smith.

3924
05:33:31,680 --> 05:33:32,400
Still here, yes.

3925
05:33:32,700 --> 05:33:33,060
Yes.

3926
05:33:38,320 --> 05:33:42,240
I don't see a Southern California Edison on a refugee night.

3927
05:33:42,380 --> 05:33:45,400
I know she was here earlier, but it was a long night.

3928
05:33:46,920 --> 05:33:47,800
She gone?

3929
05:33:47,940 --> 05:33:48,140
Yeah.

3930
05:33:53,820 --> 05:33:55,380
It's right for her to do this.

3931
05:33:58,980 --> 05:34:01,240
She should have known better about it.

3932
05:34:05,350 --> 05:34:08,830
Madam City Manager, I'd like, I'm going to support the item.

3933
05:34:09,110 --> 05:34:38,770
But I'd like this once again to reach out to Southern California Addison about their transmission line, which is off the state street, and the green dot there, you know, if we're going to be, I want to encourage and facilitate our corporate partnership with Southern California Addison, and be mindful that I hope that Jason is still here, that if they miss their payment,

3934
05:34:38,770 --> 05:34:47,330
And then we can open up that agreement with them, and we visit that, but you've got 690 students.

3935
05:34:47,570 --> 05:34:50,510
It can't all mentor school, but just look ahead of them.

3936
05:34:51,410 --> 05:34:53,050
With that, I support the app.

3937
05:34:54,510 --> 05:34:54,790
All right.

3938
05:34:54,950 --> 05:34:58,010
So then we need a promotion in a second.

3939
05:34:58,410 --> 05:34:59,290
We need action on this.

3940
05:34:59,310 --> 05:34:59,990
Your votes please.

3941
05:35:08,420 --> 05:35:08,760
Thank you.

3942
05:35:09,140 --> 05:35:15,280
And finally, we have an action by this board as a successor to the redevelopment agency.

3943
05:35:15,280 --> 05:35:21,820
in it is a action item to approve amendment to an appointment to an appointment with Barbara

3944
05:35:21,820 --> 05:35:29,020
Lenseth, who is acting as the finance director of that winding down agency.

3945
05:35:29,460 --> 05:35:33,400
To move, there's a motion on that, is there a second?

3946
05:35:34,280 --> 05:35:35,560
Yeah, I had your both on that please.

3947
05:35:38,280 --> 05:35:42,200
We are an item designer of 9A.

3948
05:35:43,500 --> 05:35:45,060
Barbara Lenseth's contract.

3949
05:35:45,060 --> 05:35:46,020
We

3950
05:36:14,980 --> 05:36:25,520
have an action on that matter. It's approved. And we move now to our public

3951
05:36:25,520 --> 05:36:33,900
comments. And we start with Betty Jean Wong, followed by Paul Sandborn, followed by Margaret

3952
05:36:33,900 --> 05:36:37,640
Phil, followed by Barbara Vancon.

3953
05:37:08,070 --> 05:37:12,250
Yes, to the comfort and many words.

3954
05:37:12,410 --> 05:37:13,170
I'm sure you've worked.

3955
05:37:13,290 --> 05:37:13,870
Thank you.

3956
05:37:14,150 --> 05:37:16,070
I don't understand this.

3957
05:37:19,140 --> 05:37:26,320
God says, in my key point, on my exposing and sensitive theory, public buildings,

3958
05:37:26,720 --> 05:37:31,740
that this public has access to public services,

3959
05:37:32,620 --> 05:37:34,420
that are public facilities.

3960
05:37:34,420 --> 05:37:39,560
as they are going on for the last six months and so up in here.

3961
05:37:40,340 --> 05:37:44,380
And if it's going on one may or death, they are due.

3962
05:37:45,860 --> 05:37:55,600
Six months and so, talking to the chief of police about public access as ridiculous.

3963
05:37:56,760 --> 05:38:03,620
You could talk in the man and he will, by you, he won't.

3964
05:38:05,220 --> 05:38:09,660
In other words, they'll go on with the work with you.

3965
05:38:10,200 --> 05:38:13,140
That takes six months to do it.

3966
05:38:13,420 --> 05:38:15,300
You need to write, man.

3967
05:38:15,300 --> 05:38:19,900
You need to be done in one day.

3968
05:38:22,360 --> 05:38:29,500
Also, I don't see where you're coming up with about your

3969
05:38:34,300 --> 05:38:36,100
prison patients.

3970
05:38:36,100 --> 05:38:43,580
And your other ones, where are you getting that money?

3971
05:38:43,580 --> 05:38:45,520
You will certainly is dead, bro.

3972
05:38:45,640 --> 05:38:46,620
I know.

3973
05:38:47,520 --> 05:38:50,640
I keep in contact with the King for years.

3974
05:38:51,260 --> 05:38:54,720
Now, not just you guys, I don't bother you.

3975
05:38:54,960 --> 05:39:06,080
Some people, but I go to, I have people here that I work with, on this, and they work with

3976
05:39:06,080 --> 05:39:09,980
me. That's how I find out what they are going on. Okay?

3977
05:39:12,160 --> 05:39:15,080
Okay? They are more than

3978
05:39:15,080 --> 05:39:24,540
civic counsel. I am not abusing you. That next year in June, I am far away to

3979
05:39:24,540 --> 05:39:34,620
remember, they are myself. We are tired of what is going on. I've talked to people,

3980
05:39:34,620 --> 05:39:43,280
I don't come over that. We are tired of what you guys are doing against our flurry and

3981
05:39:43,280 --> 05:39:57,260
against us. So now I am going to run for mayor of those people and I intend to. My platform

3982
05:39:57,260 --> 05:40:02,260
If not the promise of people, why I will do for them?

3983
05:40:03,360 --> 05:40:07,340
As all, because that's what you power gets you through.

3984
05:40:08,420 --> 05:40:10,800
And do you carry any of them out?

3985
05:40:11,140 --> 05:40:12,680
Hell, no, you know?

3986
05:40:13,420 --> 05:40:15,680
That goes for our president too.

3987
05:40:18,110 --> 05:40:21,350
But thank you very much Paul Sandborn,

3988
05:40:22,930 --> 05:40:24,190
followed by Margaret Hill.

3989
05:40:24,950 --> 05:40:26,730
Good evening again, Mayor and Council.

3990
05:40:26,730 --> 05:40:33,550
Well, the piece of paper that I gave you, if you look at the second column where it says

3991
05:40:33,550 --> 05:40:37,110
annual, whatever, if you add that up, it does not come up to that figure.

3992
05:40:37,210 --> 05:40:40,010
It comes up to three million, two hundred and thirteen thousand, nine hundred.

3993
05:40:40,650 --> 05:40:41,810
We only have two ladder trucks.

3994
05:40:41,990 --> 05:40:42,930
We do not have three.

3995
05:40:45,450 --> 05:40:47,390
I'm going to explain something to you.

3996
05:40:47,390 --> 05:40:48,890
You can change your F-words the money.

3997
05:40:49,250 --> 05:40:51,170
I'll show you how to get some money in this town.

3998
05:40:52,310 --> 05:40:55,950
This is something I brought forward many years ago, believe it or not, maybe it's time

3999
05:40:55,950 --> 05:40:57,450
that you guys will actually listen.

4000
05:40:58,370 --> 05:41:01,830
In another town that I worked at, which was Santa Ana down there,

4001
05:41:01,890 --> 05:41:05,030
if you walk in, you can set your plans down on the counter,

4002
05:41:05,590 --> 05:41:09,190
pay plan check fee and permit and sign one piece of paper

4003
05:41:09,190 --> 05:41:10,830
and go to work that day.

4004
05:41:11,310 --> 05:41:13,330
And what the one piece of paper is basically,

4005
05:41:13,590 --> 05:41:15,690
is that if there's anything wrong with those plans,

4006
05:41:15,970 --> 05:41:19,550
you will fix it regardless of what it happens

4007
05:41:19,550 --> 05:41:23,110
to be, you will fix that problem that comes up.

4008
05:41:23,110 --> 05:41:29,870
What the big plus is with it, is you are handed a piece of paper with a special phone number on it,

4009
05:41:29,890 --> 05:41:34,530
and you're to have a check made out to the city clerk for $100 for any inspection you want.

4010
05:41:34,990 --> 05:41:40,090
As many times as you want, I had done a Taco Bell down there, which you know small,

4011
05:41:40,590 --> 05:41:44,230
and in turn, a best department store behind me, is the reason I made the acquisition

4012
05:41:44,230 --> 05:41:48,990
of what city official has their hands in that, because that best department store beat us

4013
05:41:48,990 --> 05:41:54,710
done. That's the way that Inspector explained it to me. The other thing is, I gave it to

4014
05:41:54,710 --> 05:41:58,790
you guys about each one of you should have somebody do a ride along with the police so they

4015
05:41:58,790 --> 05:42:04,490
can see what's going on in this town. I want to upgrade that just a little bit more. Anybody

4016
05:42:04,490 --> 05:42:09,410
that would like to do a ride along needs to call the police department, set it up with somebody

4017
05:42:09,410 --> 05:42:13,830
down there and the key factor is they need to pay the $100 to fill the car up and they can

4018
05:42:13,830 --> 05:42:20,130
over a ride that night. That will save you $80,000 a year in the way I figure. The other thing

4019
05:42:20,130 --> 05:42:23,250
that I want to bring up is trees.

4020
05:42:25,290 --> 05:42:29,810
In 2001 we lost our daughter. One person was kind enough

4021
05:42:29,810 --> 05:42:35,070
to give us a tree. The other day I'm sitting out there looking at that thing's 25 feet high. If

4022
05:42:35,070 --> 05:42:42,510
you had somebody that what I'm trying to say is past is the way and winds up getting 25 cards

4023
05:42:42,510 --> 05:42:45,610
maybe the family of plant, plant, three, four,

4024
05:42:45,690 --> 05:42:49,670
or whatever, and give the other 20 to the city we need trees.

4025
05:42:50,190 --> 05:42:51,710
The last thing I'll wind this up with,

4026
05:42:51,810 --> 05:42:54,210
Mayor, two women over here at the route,

4027
05:42:54,890 --> 05:42:57,410
fourth and day, one turns around and says to the other,

4028
05:42:57,630 --> 05:43:00,710
she was, I didn't know that the city had a police

4029
05:43:00,710 --> 05:43:03,010
posse here per se or whatever.

4030
05:43:03,630 --> 05:43:05,770
The other one looks at her, and he tells her,

4031
05:43:05,870 --> 05:43:07,350
well, you know what the deal is, you know,

4032
05:43:07,350 --> 05:43:09,390
the city is San Bernardino actually filed bankruptcy.

4033
05:43:09,490 --> 05:43:11,830
She said, I guess they took the cars away from them.

4034
05:43:11,830 --> 05:43:13,570
This actually happened.

4035
05:43:16,320 --> 05:43:20,400
That was a wonderful bit of final chapter, humor.

4036
05:43:21,580 --> 05:43:24,080
That was, thank you, Mr. Sandborn.

4037
05:43:24,700 --> 05:43:26,800
For that, levity at the last moment of the meeting,

4038
05:43:27,300 --> 05:43:30,440
and no, I guess we're morning with this bad cop.

4039
05:43:31,420 --> 05:43:33,780
I called Margaret Hill, but then I note that she says,

4040
05:43:34,820 --> 05:43:36,700
if you finish before 60m,

4041
05:43:37,840 --> 05:43:40,040
and clearly she's long gone.

4042
05:43:40,320 --> 05:43:42,000
Margaret is watching from home.

4043
05:43:42,000 --> 05:43:42,760
All right.

4044
05:43:42,760 --> 05:43:43,180
Hi, Margaret.

4045
05:43:43,360 --> 05:43:43,920
My name is Badcock.

4046
05:43:44,100 --> 05:43:46,280
You're up followed by 10 friends.

4047
05:43:47,200 --> 05:43:48,620
I had a really interesting experience.

4048
05:43:49,020 --> 05:43:52,200
I went to Route 66, 3 times this weekend.

4049
05:43:53,120 --> 05:43:55,980
And on Sunday, I saw something that just really wore my heart.

4050
05:43:56,940 --> 05:44:02,360
There was a grandfather with his grandson and say, come on, let's go around and pick up the

4051
05:44:02,360 --> 05:44:02,640
paper.

4052
05:44:02,820 --> 05:44:07,560
Let's pick up the trash because the city doesn't have the money to do that.

4053
05:44:08,100 --> 05:44:12,820
We can do great things if and when we decide to do it.

4054
05:44:14,180 --> 05:44:16,300
Volunteerism is what I work with nonprofits.

4055
05:44:16,680 --> 05:44:19,040
I tell them if there's one position, don't cut.

4056
05:44:19,520 --> 05:44:20,940
Or if there's one position, you're going to hire.

4057
05:44:21,200 --> 05:44:22,700
It's to go out and help somebody.

4058
05:44:22,880 --> 05:44:24,480
Help an organization get volunteers.

4059
05:44:25,400 --> 05:44:29,220
I spoke this week twice to Doug Rowan of United Way,

4060
05:44:29,480 --> 05:44:33,020
putting him on notice because he said he's working on a new program

4061
05:44:33,020 --> 05:44:37,020
that will help people to easily volunteer for the city.

4062
05:44:38,900 --> 05:44:45,680
Mr. Sandborn set me up for this and that is that I am going to be attending part of the next police academy.

4063
05:44:46,340 --> 05:44:52,180
The last one that I went to was the best seven weeks that I probably have spent in a couple of years.

4064
05:44:52,740 --> 05:44:56,000
They're starting Wednesday night the 19th and 630 at the police station.

4065
05:44:56,540 --> 05:44:59,960
You do need to sign up ahead of time. I just really encourage people.

4066
05:45:00,180 --> 05:45:07,080
I know that everybody is taking cuts. It's called, we are broke. That means everybody has to take cuts.

4067
05:45:07,840 --> 05:45:16,500
And I think that by continuingly tabling motions, we are just driving ourselves much more quickly to the place that we will not be a city.

4068
05:45:16,760 --> 05:45:24,160
We will be reporting to five supervisors of the county. We could make a difference.

4069
05:45:24,160 --> 05:45:29,880
I was really disappointed in the last few minutes receiving their seem to be really good cooperation

4070
05:45:29,880 --> 05:45:31,940
on things getting table very quickly.

4071
05:45:32,820 --> 05:45:33,660
We should be working together.

4072
05:45:33,820 --> 05:45:35,240
You guys ought to be here next week.

4073
05:45:35,520 --> 05:45:36,840
It's a way to do two more weeks.

4074
05:45:37,560 --> 05:45:38,520
Thank you Mr. Prince.

4075
05:45:45,870 --> 05:45:46,770
Good evening, Mayor.

4076
05:45:47,010 --> 05:45:48,990
Members of the City Council and staff.

4077
05:45:49,710 --> 05:45:51,410
And the brave remaining residents.

4078
05:45:52,550 --> 05:45:53,490
My name is Kim Prince.

4079
05:45:54,010 --> 05:45:56,390
I've been a resident of the city all my life.

4080
05:45:56,610 --> 05:46:00,170
And I am thoroughly disgusted with the action of this council tonight.

4081
05:46:00,170 --> 05:46:09,230
Everybody recognizes the huge burden and difficulty in making $7 million more of cuts.

4082
05:46:10,210 --> 05:46:17,050
And I hope every resident understands that because of the lack of political will of this council,

4083
05:46:18,410 --> 05:46:21,230
we now have $10 million more in cuts.

4084
05:46:21,890 --> 05:46:25,470
And we have a bridge city manager who will fine tune the analysis,

4085
05:46:26,150 --> 05:46:28,270
but the enormity of it will not change.

4086
05:46:31,080 --> 05:46:34,260
Mr. Kelly, you're ruffling through your papers instead of listening.

4087
05:46:35,280 --> 05:46:39,340
Mr. Penman is out, Paula Ticking, he has his assistant sitting up here.

4088
05:46:39,520 --> 05:46:41,640
That's one budget that could be cut.

4089
05:46:42,100 --> 05:46:44,220
Not one substantive position was cut.

4090
05:46:44,340 --> 05:46:46,480
Not one person was laid off in that office.

4091
05:46:46,820 --> 05:46:51,720
But that's okay with Mr. Jenkins, because the city attorney's on his side.

4092
05:46:52,460 --> 05:46:59,180
The four votes to table the motion to save $3 million, the four votes came from four council

4093
05:46:59,180 --> 05:47:08,880
members that were bought and paid for by a union that has no interest in this city other than

4094
05:47:08,880 --> 05:47:10,220
their pay and benefits.

4095
05:47:11,000 --> 05:47:16,040
No consideration was even given to altering minimum staffing, to adjust the staffing to

4096
05:47:16,040 --> 05:47:21,340
the needs of the city, to recognize that when citizens have a higher need for medical calls

4097
05:47:21,340 --> 05:47:26,120
and fire suppression, that the staffing should be higher and different.

4098
05:47:26,120 --> 05:47:34,680
Instead of some minimum negotiated by a union, the fire chief made a very reasonable, compromised

4099
05:47:34,680 --> 05:47:42,020
plan, and this council sat stone-faced with their pre-planned political mission to

4100
05:47:42,020 --> 05:47:48,160
table, and in the absence of our first-word councilwoman, I guess it worked tonight.

4101
05:47:49,040 --> 05:47:49,780
But you know what?

4102
05:47:49,920 --> 05:47:53,360
It's we the people that are going to suffer because of your lack of leadership.

4103
05:47:53,360 --> 05:48:00,100
The four of you drove the city into bankruptcy and now you're not even going to change your ways when we're in bankruptcy.

4104
05:48:00,700 --> 05:48:03,720
As a lifelong resident of the city, I'm embarrassed.

4105
05:48:04,460 --> 05:48:08,440
The four of you should resign and save the city the cost of a recall.

4106
05:48:09,980 --> 05:48:16,600
Because judgment day is coming and that judgment could mean that this city loses its charter and its independence.

4107
05:48:17,680 --> 05:48:22,120
And all you're doing is serving a different master than the people of the city of San

4108
05:48:22,120 --> 05:48:22,660
Medina.

4109
05:48:24,320 --> 05:48:28,080
With that, we'll call this evening to the close.

4110
05:48:28,700 --> 05:48:33,800
We'll adjourn and reconvenient our October 1st at 1.30 for closed session at 3 o'clock

4111
05:48:33,800 --> 05:48:35,960
for the public portion we may have a good evening.