[10:13] Everyone, welcome to tonight's Planning and Transportation Commission regular [10:18] meeting. It's April 20th, 2026 and um tonight [10:26] there there have been no teleconference requests per AB2449. [10:32] We have uh one commissioner who is absent and excused and my guess is [10:38] another commissioner will arrive because of the rain very shortly is my guess. [10:43] Um so go on to agenda item three. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. [10:51] I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the [10:56] republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and [11:02] justice for all. [clears throat] [11:14] » Item four is tonight's roll call. Hi Rush. Good. Good evening. [11:17] » Hi, good evening. >> Chair Clemens [11:20] » here. >> Commissioner Anand [11:23] » here. >> Commissioner Cany [11:24] » here. >> Commissioner Bundy is excused and [11:28] Commissioner Tapias is absent. [11:33] » Thank you. Item 5A on tonight's agenda is the approval of minutes from the [11:38] April 6th, 2026 Planning and Transportation Commission meeting. Um, [11:43] do either of my colleagues have any desired edits or comments to discuss? [11:48] No. Okay, then we need an a motion to approve. [11:52] » I move to approve the minutes. >> Thank you. In a second. [11:55] » I second that. >> Check Clemens. [11:57] » Yes. >> Commissioner Alen, [11:59] » yes. >> Commissioner Canesty, [12:01] » yes. >> Commissioner Bundy is excused and [12:04] Commissioner Tapias is absent. Thank you. [12:08] Now we are on to item six, which is public comment. Public comment is [12:13] limited to items that are not on tonight's agenda. The commission may [12:17] briefly respond to statements made or questions posed as allowed by the Brown [12:21] Act, Government Code section 54954.2. However, our general policy is to refer [12:27] items to staff for attention or to have a matter placed on a future commission [12:32] agenda for a more comprehensive action or report. Um, on the screen are [12:38] instructions for making public comment. If anyone would like to make a public [12:41] comment and they're in chambers, please go ahead and fill out a slip, a speaker [12:46] slip, and then we can hand it to staff over here. Um, and then we'll take [12:52] people in person first and then we'll go to those who are on Zoom. If you're on [12:58] Zoom or would like to join, the meeting number is 88635467439. [13:06] Thank you. And you can also just call in on your phone. The phone number is 1 [13:11] 1669-900-9128. [13:16] Um, and then you enter the meeting ID number. If you're in person, uh, if [13:20] you're on Zoom, sorry, you can raise your hand. You click on reactions and [13:24] then raise your hand. And if you're on the phone, you can raise your hand by [13:28] pressing star 9. So, first, is there anyone in chambers [13:32] who would like to make a comment on something not on tonight's agenda? [13:39] Okay, seeing none, I will turn it over to uh [13:44] those who are on Zoom. Uh Lynette, do we have any hands raised to make a general [13:49] public comment this evening? >> There are none. Okay, [13:55] we'll just wait a few more seconds to see if anyone changes their mind, would [13:59] like to tell us something that they believe in or something happening in the [14:03] community. You're welcome to make a public comment. [14:09] Any hands raised, Lynette? >> There are none. [14:13] » Okay, then I need a motion to close public comment. [14:16] » I move to close public comment. >> Thank you. In a second. [14:19] » I second. Chair Clemens, >> yes. [14:22] » Commissioner Alan, >> yes. [14:23] » Commissioner Canesty, >> yes. [14:25] » Vice Chair Bundy is excused and Commissioner Tapias is absent. [14:30] » Thank you. >> So, we are on item 7A on the agenda. [14:35] It's our action item tonight. It's new business. The topic is 9:30 and 940 [14:41] Commercial Street. This is a request for a design review, a protected tree [14:46] removal permit, dirt hall and grading certificate, a transportation demand [14:50] management plan. There should be a management in there, I think. Adoption [14:55] of a resolution certifying a final initial study and a mitigated negative [14:59] declaration and dedication of an of an 8 footwide public pathway easement for a [15:06] new automotive repair and storage building. This is a APN number 046161 [15:13] 030. Um, good evening. And first we have a [15:17] staff presentation. [15:21] » No, not yet. >> Okay, [15:24] » there you go. Thank [clears throat] you. Welcome. [15:27] » Thank you. >> Um, good evening commissioners. My name [15:31] is Laura Richstone, senior planner with uh current planning and I will be [15:35] providing an overview of the proposed new uh automotive repair and storage [15:40] facility at 9:30 and 940 industri uh industrial commercial. [15:46] Tonight from the applicant side, we have Miming and Matt Kovville um with the [15:51] architects Perkins and Will and we have Harvey Coup who's representing the [15:55] owner. The agenda tonight will start with a [15:59] staff presentation followed by a few words from the applicant, questions and [16:04] comments from the commission and conclude with a formal action by the [16:08] commission. [16:12] I will not read this again. Uh the project is located on the east [16:18] side of the city along Commercial Street. The project site highlighted or [16:23] outlined um in pink is across from the recently approved Alexandria development [16:28] project um and down the street from the approved SBO project as well. [16:36] Jumping into a larger context, the project site highlighted in yellow is [16:42] within a half mile of the San Carlos Cal Train Station and about a thousand feet [16:47] uh away from the greater East Side residential neighborhood to the north. [16:54] The property is 1.69 acres in size, zoned heavy industrial, and located in [17:00] the city's east side innovation district vision plan area. The pro uh the [17:05] proposed facility would be roughly 43,000 square ft and 30 feet tall to [17:11] include one story plus a mezzanine level and robust on-site landscaping. [17:19] As an overview, the requested entitlements for the project include a [17:24] design review for the overall design of the building, a protected tree removal [17:30] for eight protected trees, a dirt hall and grading certificate to allow [17:34] approximately 19,000 cubic yards of grading to meet base flood elevation, a [17:40] transportation demand management plan to reduce trips to the project by 20%. [17:45] in the adoption of a resolution to certify a final initial study and [17:50] mitigate a negative declaration stating that the project will result in no [17:54] significant or cumulative adverse impacts. [17:58] And although not an entitlement, the project also includes the dedication of [18:02] an 8- foot wide public access easement along the eastern property line to meet [18:07] the intent of the east side innovation district vision plan, which we will [18:12] discuss on later slides. The Planning and Transportation Commission would be [18:16] the final approval approval body for this project unless appealed to city [18:19] council. The proposed 48,370 [18:26] ft automotive repair and storage facility is intended to maintain and [18:30] service a fleet of corporate gasoline light duty vehicles. The vehicles uh the [18:37] facility includes four lift bays and six additional service bays intended for [18:42] repair, maintenance, cleaning, smog, certification, and detailing. Parts and [18:48] material storage would be located on the mezzanine level and vehicle storage for [18:53] up to 30 cars would be on the main level. The facility would operate during [18:57] regular business hours Monday through Friday, 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p p.m. and [19:01] would employ 6 to eight employees. [19:06] The proposed building is situated towards the rear and left side of the [19:10] parcel. A large 47 foot front yard setback is proposed to accommodate [19:15] robust landscaping and an above ground transformer, emergency generator, [19:21] uh service yard and metal security fence. [19:25] The site also features two gated driveways. The west or orange driveway [19:30] uh provides access to the transformer and generator while the main driveway [19:34] highlighted in red provides vehicle entry to the building and the larger [19:38] site as a whole. Adjacent to the main driveway and surface parking lot, the uh [19:45] an 8 foot wide public access easement highlighted here in purple is provided [19:49] along the site's eastern property line. >> [snorts] [19:54] » The property is located in the east side innovation district vision plan area of [19:58] the city. The vision plan was approved in 2021 and acts as a flexible framework [20:05] to guide development to meet the larger goals of transforming this area of the [20:09] city into a more dynamic and sustainable district. [20:14] One of the main goals of the vision vision plan is to provide and to achieve [20:19] greater multimodal access within this area. and to the Cal Train station [20:24] through the implementation of the discovery path [20:28] through using the former railspur easements within this district and [20:32] through midblock north south connections. The pathway is meant to [20:36] provide both circulation and landscaping elements to increase the walkability of [20:41] the area. Segments of the discovery path have [20:44] already been dedicated through the SBO and Alexandria development projects. [20:52] The applicant has proposed to provide an 8- foot wide easement along their [20:56] eastern right property line. This would provide connection to the old spur line [21:01] and anticipated discovery path at the rear of the property. A matching 8 foot [21:06] wide easement would be provided by the adjacent property when it undergoes [21:10] redevelopment in the future. The intent is to equitably provide a [21:16] portion of the pathway on the project site. At this time, [21:19] the resultant 16 foot wide pathway would provide adequate width for shared [21:24] pedestrian and bicycle travel and thus meet the intent of the vision plan. [21:30] Several conditions are attached to the applicant's offer of dedication. These [21:34] include that the city can only accept the dedication area after the city has [21:39] secured the necessary easements from the other properties along the discovery [21:43] path um between Industrial Road and Branson Road such that this portion [21:49] would connect to somewhere um and that the offer of dedication is [21:54] valid for 27 and a half years that if the city council does not formally [21:59] accept the easement within that time, the offer expires and the land would [22:03] revert back to the property owner unencumbered. [22:09] The other conditions uh of the easement are related to the maintenance and [22:13] construction of the pathway such that construction of the pathway would be [22:17] conducted by the owner. In addition, the easement area and pathway would remain [22:22] closed to the public until a continuous pathway is constructed from Branson to [22:26] industrial per the agreement. Prior to formal acceptance of the [22:31] easement, the property owner would be responsible for maintenance of the [22:36] easement area. Maintenance responsibility would shift to the city [22:40] after pathway construction and formal acceptance of the easement has occurred. [22:48] Shifting into the entitlements portion of the agenda, design review is required [22:53] for all new commercial structures within the city. The scope of design review [22:58] involves the review of the project's overall site, design, and architecture. [23:03] The proposed structure features a modern industrial aesthetic with clean lines, a [23:08] glazed mezzanine pop-up roof, and a mix of dark and light gray metal uh panels [23:14] with vertical fins that break up the building's massing and add visual [23:18] interest. The entry of the building pictured in [23:21] the bottom right is highlighted by a deep overhang with contrasting siding. [23:27] The proposal also includes a metal perimeter fence along the front of the [23:32] building. The fence features a staggered design and employs metal siding that [23:37] echoes the main building's material and design language to further break up the [23:41] massing and reduce the bulk of the development. [23:45] The proposed color and materials are pictured here. [23:49] And you can see the different metal panels and vertical fins. [23:57] Pictured here is the front elevation of the structure as viewed if standing on [24:01] Commercial Street. The secondary driveway to the generator and [24:05] transformer is located on the left and the main driveway to the site and the [24:10] proposed 8ft easement highlighted in pink is located along the right. [24:18] Here is the rear of the structure which is located along the old spur line. [24:22] [snorts] [24:24] This is the right side which features the entry base to the structure and the [24:29] public easement for the discovery path along the fence line. [24:35] And here is the left side of the structure. [24:40] The project complies with the heavy industrial district development [24:43] standards, the city's landscape and and the city's landscaping and parking [24:47] requirements as outlined in the table to the right and is an allowed use in the [24:52] district. [24:56] Entry to the project site has been designed in accordance to the pending [25:00] reconfiguration of Commercial Street that was approved as part of the [25:04] Alexandria development. The redesign will eliminate all on street parking on [25:09] along Commercial Street and introduce a new new turning lane into the Alexandria [25:14] site and a new bicycle lane along the south side of Commercial Street. [25:19] The effect of the reconfiguration reduces maneuvering space for large [25:24] vehicles into and out of the site. So to compensate and to ensure that vehicles [25:29] can safely enter and exit the site without taking wide turns and [25:33] encroaching into other travel lanes, the applicant has proposed a larger 66 foot [25:39] wide driveway apron to the main driveway. [25:43] Both planning and public works support the larger curb cut to maintain public [25:48] safety. Additional conditions of approval have [25:51] also been added to incorporate pedestrian level design features to [25:56] maintain or to minimize, I should say, potential pedestrian vehicle conflicts [26:00] at that driveway entrance. Regarding parking, the property falls [26:06] within the scope of AB 2097, which exempts the development from [26:10] minimum parking standards. Um, however, the applicant has voluntarily proposed [26:14] six on-site um, parking spaces within their surface lot as well as two loading [26:20] spaces at the rear. [26:25] [snorts] To accommodate the proposed development, eight protected trees are [26:28] requested for removal. These trees range from 8 to 24 in in diameter and include [26:36] a mixture of Canary Island pines, liquid amber, and tea trees. [26:40] Seven trees are on site and one tree is a street tree in the ride ofway. [26:46] The applicant has proposed to plant 26 replacement trees where seven or I [26:50] should say eight are required on site within the front yard setback and along [26:54] the main driveway. The applicant has also proposed to plant six six street [27:00] trees uh in the rideway where otherwise nine are required due to sight [27:05] constraints. The city arborist has the ability to reduce the number of desired [27:10] or required street trees and has recommended the reduced number be [27:15] permitted to accommodate a wider driveway apron and ensure safe turning [27:19] into and out of the site. Just pause for a second. [27:27] The project is located um within an area of the city that's prone to flooding to [27:32] flooding and has a FEMA designated base flood elevation of 12 ft above sea [27:37] level. All new structures are required to be [27:41] built above the base flood elevation. The grade of the existing site ranges [27:46] ranges from 9 to 11 1/2 ft and would require approximately 19,000 cubic yards [27:52] of grading to raise the building pad above the BFE. [27:57] As the proposed grading exceeds 1,000 cubic yards, approval from the planning [28:02] and transportation commission is required. [28:05] The hall routes for uh the trucks for uh moving the grading would be um highway [28:12] 101 to Holly exit um and then turn onto industrial road then onto commercial and [28:18] then to the project site. Trucks would depart in the reverse. [28:23] staff is supportive of granting this uh permit as the proposed grading will not [28:29] adversely affect the drainage or lateral supports of others properties is [28:34] consistent with the municipal code and general plan and will not be detrimental [28:39] to the public health safety or welfare. [snorts] [28:44] The project also requires a TDM transportation and demand management [28:48] plan which requires 20% trip reduction by utilizing various trip reduction [28:54] measures. The applicant is proposing the measures listed here to reach the trip [29:00] reduction target for their site. The TDM plan has been reviewed by public works [29:05] and found to be compliant with city standards [29:09] to ensure trip reduction goals are achieved. TDM plans and the results are [29:13] also monitored by the applicant and submitted to the city annually for [29:18] review. [29:21] [snorts] Regarding potential environmental impacts, an initial study [29:24] and mitigated negative declaration was prepared for this project by the city's [29:29] consultant CSG. The document was posted for public review late last year and no [29:34] comments were received. Based on the ISM and D, the project [29:39] would not cause significant adverse or cumulative impacts. In addition, the [29:44] recommended mitigation measures have been incorporated into the project's [29:47] conditions of approval. [29:51] The city mailed a public notice to all property owners within a 300t radius of [29:56] the property on April 7th for this project. The same public notice was also [30:02] published in the Daily Journal on April 9th. A physical public notice was also [30:08] placed on site on April 9th, at least 10 days before this meeting. [30:13] A notice was also sent to each residents fronting the dirt route along Industrial [30:18] Road on April 7th as required by the dirt hall and grading certificate. [30:24] Should the commission decide to move forward, here is the motion before you. [30:29] Uh, thank you. This concludes my presentation and I believe the applicant [30:33] might have a few words. Thank you, Laura. [clears throat] [30:38] Um, is it Harvey for the representatives or the representative of the owner, [30:43] please? [30:47] Um, good evening, commissioners. Thank you so much for your time. My name is [30:50] Harvey Coup. I represent the owners of 9:30 and 940 Commercial. Um, we are [30:55] pleased to share our proposal of office and fleet repair at the vacant 930 [31:00] commercial uh, street site here in St. Carlos. In the tradition of light [31:05] industrial use in the east side uh innovation district, we are proposing a [31:09] facility to check and maintain a smallcale corporate fleet. It will be [31:14] staffed by four to six mechanics once fully operational and the site will [31:20] feature 10 service bays, uh space for equipment, uh tools, parts, uh storage, [31:25] as well as supporting office space. We expect no more than 10 cars driving to [31:30] the site each month. Um, [31:34] I also have to say we're very grateful to the planning department for all their [31:38] support and input over the last year. Um, we really look forward to [31:43] contributing to the neighborhood um through extensive streetscape. Um, [31:47] improving bike and pedestrian safety. Um, we are going to be installing new [31:52] sidewalks. Um, we are uh adding street trees and layered landscaping. We will [31:58] also be adding street lighting and undergrounding overhead utilities. As [32:03] mentioned by Laura, we will also be dedicating a portion of our site to the [32:07] discovery path, which will hopefully increase neighborhood pedestrian and [32:12] bicycle connectivity as contemplated by the east side innovation plan. Thank you [32:16] for your consideration and for this opportunity to present our project to [32:20] you this evening. >> Thank you, Harvey. [32:26] Um well, first is there anything else that you'd like to present or No. Okay. [32:32] Thank you for all all for being here. Um with that, why don't we go to [32:37] commissioner questions and then we'll go to the public. [32:43] You go back to the order. There we go. Um yeah, [32:49] commissioner questions followed by questions from or comments from the [32:52] public and then we'll have discussion and action here. So um with that uh [32:58] Commissioner Anad, would you like to start? [33:00] » Yes. Uh thank you for the very detailed presentation. Laura, I have two [33:05] questions. Um first one was regarding um the EV charging stations when I assume [33:13] or I understood that no EV charging stations are allowed indoors because of [33:18] some fire code. Is that the case? >> Yes and no. So the applicant had [33:24] indicated that they do not have EV fleet vehicles and that they were not [33:28] installing EV charging within the vehic within the building. if they were to [33:33] install it within the building, it would trip different in other fire codes. Um, [33:37] but they are required to do EV in the required parking or the provided parking [33:43] on the surface parking lot per the building code. [33:47] » Okay. Um because we we have a citywide climate action plan which we want to [33:53] honor and going forward the EV vehicles are only going to increase not reduce. [33:59] So that said, what if 10 years or even 5 years down the line it is an all [34:04] electric carpeted fleet? Then what happens? Is there a plan to upgrade like [34:10] to undertake like a massive project? What happens then? [34:13] » I will defer to the applicant. >> Yeah, sure. As discussed to Laura, we [34:18] have no sort of plans for uh the EV um for any EV fleet. However, uh I fully [34:27] expect that should that change, we would have to go for another application cycle [34:32] because the fire codes are all different and um so that would be I think a [34:38] separate event later down the line. >> Okay, thank you. And my second question [34:43] is more for the city I think because it's right next door to our massive [34:48] Alexandria project and um also the 101 101 and Holly intersection which will be [34:54] used by both the projects I assume the building will happen [34:58] concurrently. So how do the two projects talk to each other when let's say the [35:03] trucks are they happen to be coming together and like how much nuisance how [35:08] much road blockages will be coordinated like how do the projects talk to each [35:13] other in that case? >> Um I really the applicant might have to [35:17] come up and and talk about that but I personally see this happening slightly [35:22] before Alexandria if only because this applicant seems very motivated to build. [35:28] Alexandria has a larger develop or a longer development timeline 10 15 years. [35:33] Um so when they start with phase one is is a little more uh longer. We think two [35:41] to five years. So we don't exactly know. I anticipate that this project would [35:45] happen before the re um configuration of uh commercial street in phase one of [35:50] Alexandria. I would just like to caution the city like if for whatever reason if [35:56] it just so happens that both the projects end up starting at the same [35:59] time or happening at the same time there should be some mechanisms put in place [36:02] for them to talk to each other just so the to minimize the disruption for the [36:06] neighboring community and businesses. >> Yeah through the chair if I may add um [36:10] to your point commissioner anand usually when uh development happens parallelly [36:15] there are a lot of checks and balances at the building permit stage. So we do [36:19] have um requirements of a staging plan for construction equipment and uh there [36:24] are notices that go out both from the building division and public works. So [36:28] there is a lot of coordination that happens um within uh the city and then [36:34] uh there is also information posted on site on the city's website and outside [36:39] uh at the um you know at the bulletin board about um any public um notices [36:47] that are going out. So there is a lot of coordination that happens but yes we [36:51] will keep that in mind um if if these projects go out concurrently. [36:57] » Thank you. Thank you. That'll be >> Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner [37:01] Kennasty. >> Yes. Um, okay. So, I have three kind of [37:06] general areas of question. First is the discovery path. Um, can you clarify how [37:12] the discovery path would be realistically implemented over over time [37:17] given that it it really depends on kind of construction and development of um [37:23] other adjacent properties? >> Yeah. um discovery that's kind of um [37:29] typical of these type of pathways. They happen incrementally as projects [37:33] redevelop. So um uh it's kind of assembling a puzzle piece. So we'll get [37:39] all of the dedications and then the idea is once that has all occurred, we would [37:45] then um have it built out somewhat at the same time um and then opened [37:51] somewhat at the same time. But it's a long time horizon [37:54] » because it takes a while for these larger uh uh parcels to redevelop. [37:59] » Right. Okay. And and what probability do you think I mean you do you anticipate [38:06] any issues with that? I mean you have 27 and a half years. I don't think that's [38:09] going to be a problem but just curious on what kind of planning time time [38:14] horizon you have for this. Um I am personally I think it will uh [38:20] happen because we also concurrently not part of the agenda are uh doing the east [38:26] side um the northeast area excuse me specific plan and I think that once that [38:32] is approved hopefully later this year it will spark um potential redevelopment in [38:37] and around that area as well and we're already seeing that turnover with [38:41] Alexandria Sabrad the 777 so it's happening Um, and I think it will happen [38:48] within that time frame. >> Okay. Is there anything in the project's [38:52] design like utilities grading or layout that could limit the city's ability to [38:57] complete the uh connection in the future from what you've seen so far? [39:02] » Uh, not no. >> Okay, fair enough. And then I saw that [39:08] the applicant presented an offer of dedication. I [39:12] guess that's record that would be recorded in the county recorder. Um are [39:17] are they they ones that file that or who files that? [39:20] » So what happens is um once all of the conditions in the offer are met. Yeah. [39:25] » We have all of the um easements and some other bits and pieces. Then staff would [39:31] take the offer to city council. City council would formally say and accept [39:36] the offer and say yes we will accept it. and then it is recorded um with the [39:42] assessor's office. >> Okay. So the city records it then. [39:45] » Yes. >> Okay. Um secondary area is the trees. So [39:51] uh it looks like from what I've seen eight [39:56] are being removed and 26 replaced and then six street trees. Nine were [40:02] required but you do have an ability to reduce that. So al ultimately it looks [40:05] like there's a lot more trees going to be uh afterwards than there was in the [40:10] beginning. Correct. Okay, that's that sounds pretty good. Um [40:16] and then the third area um really is the land use itself. So the long-term vision [40:25] of the quarter, you know, how does it how does this fit into the long-term [40:28] vision of the east side innovation district? I mean, you know, it's like [40:33] biochem, you know, those types of light industrial. This um how does this fit in [40:39] to that? >> I think it well, it does fit in. It it [40:43] is an allowed use in the district. The district uh envisions [40:47] um everything from auto to biochem and in between. So, it is supposed to be [40:54] industrial and um life sciences. >> Yeah. No, I agree. I don't I don't think [41:00] there's any issue there. I just wanted to hear it. Okay. Um that's all the [41:04] questions I have. >> Thank you. I had a couple of questions [41:09] as well. Um this is in the airport land use [41:14] commission. Uh what's the priority area or um [41:19] perview? Are there any further approvals needed as long as this building is built [41:24] below the height uh minimum? Is there anything else that Alec needs to [41:29] approve? >> Uh, no. There is um, uh, a notification [41:33] that will have to be recorded on the property, letting this property owner [41:37] and those in the future um, giving them awareness that they are in this area. [41:41] Okay. But there's no specific approval from the airport land use commission. [41:46] » Okay. [41:50] Um, the packet said that there are two bike racks with four bikes at the [41:55] southeast corner. Does that mean two racks with four each or two racks of two [42:01] each? Are there four spaces for bikes or eight? [42:05] » I believe four. >> Four total. [42:10] » Okay. Being that this is very close to the train station. Did the owner not [42:15] think that there'd be anything more demanded by I guess there only do you [42:20] expect the people on site really only to be the four to six mechanics not members [42:24] of the public visiting or not picking up yeah please Harvey is there [42:30] » it is the mechanics who will be on site >> and because they're corporate owned [42:34] fleets it's not the individuals will be coming to pick up their cars being [42:38] repaired okay all right [42:42] I had a general question [clears throat] [42:47] about the the emergency uh generator. [42:53] » I saw on the packet that generators, you know, create energy uh throw off a lot [42:59] of noise and can throw off emissions as well in the air. Um, and so I saw that [43:05] the packet addressed the noise and that it would have to pass standards as we um [43:11] license or certify that they're able to um to install. Um, what about air [43:17] emissions from the generator? >> From my understanding, large generators [43:22] like this need a permit from the Bay Area Air Quality District and they that [43:27] district verifies what the emissions are. Okay. I don't know much more about [43:32] that process, but they need that permit before they can install. [43:35] » Okay. >> Um and then um I get and then I don't [43:38] know much from there. Do you have any insight? [43:41] » Well, we will need >> Yeah. [43:43] » to get the the back met approval. >> Yeah. So that the air quality management [43:47] district is really the one who takes ownership of making sure that those um [43:52] generators follow our standards, >> right? And um the placement of the [43:58] generator on the building um it looks like the small driveway is there and [44:03] parking only for repair vehicles for the generator right there. Um how close is [44:08] that to the sidewalk and could anyone walking down the sidewalk have kind of a [44:13] negative effect from the um from the generators? [44:16] » I don't remember how close it is. I It's over 15 feet away, maybe over 20 um from [44:23] the sidewalk. Um, >> I know it's screened. Is that screened [44:28] from the sidewalks view? >> Yes. The the fence goes right before it [44:35] and there'll also be landscaping as well. [44:39] » Okay. >> So, you don't anticipate people who are [44:44] like a disincentive for anyone to walk in case the generators are on? [44:47] » My understanding is the generator is for emergency purposes only. So, it will [44:51] only be running during those times. There will have to be um some annual or [44:57] monthly running to make sure that it is uh up to shape, [45:01] » but um >> uh we can [45:05] ask the applicant if they'd be willing to do that during weekends or during [45:09] certain times if that is something that the commission is open wanting to do. [45:16] » Yeah, that let's let's talk about that when we make our comments. Thank you for [45:20] that. Um the other maybe this is a comment but the other maybe it's a [45:26] question I'm not sure. So this view the south elevation um the row the small row [45:32] of is that a row of windows behind the [45:36] trees? >> Yes. [45:38] » Okay. And can you show the other elevations again? [45:42] This this elevation has no articulation, has no windows, has no features that [45:49] um that make it a you know friendly kind of neighbor to anyone walking. So this [45:55] is the rail this is facing the rail spur. [45:58] » Yes. >> Okay. Is there a reason that this facade [46:01] was is so impermeable impenetrable? [snorts] I'll ask the design team. [46:08] [laughter] [46:11] Um >> this is something we talked about in [46:14] detail with the planning >> department. So with Al and Lisa and [46:19] Laura uh multiple meetings we iterated. So this is actually something that has [46:24] evolved from what was truly plain. We've added a lot of variation of scale. What [46:30] you may not be reading is that the volume on the left has these dimensional [46:33] ribs versus the volume right there's actually a a recess in that gray panel. [46:39] » Okay. We're trying to get the fencing to relate to that as well. So the change in [46:43] scale to break that up. That was one of their original comments. [46:47] » We think that we met a good common ground through the development of the [46:52] the progress there. >> Did you consider any more recessed areas [46:55] like the gray like one or two others? >> So it relates to the program within and [47:01] so it it's basically where the car storage is kept. There are cars backed [47:05] up. not something we really want windows to highlight. [47:08] » Right. >> The recess is related to an exit door. [47:12] And so there's a programmatic reason for where that is. [47:15] » I'm just saying it provides welcome relief to the otherwise [47:21] yeah from this view unreieved facade. Um I [47:26] find this very imposing and would not really want to walk next to it. I [47:29] understand your point about the ribs on the whatever side this is to the left, [47:34] right? That the there are ribs kind of articulating out from the building and [47:38] that section, right? >> Correct. [47:40] » Okay. But staff got comfortable with this design. [47:46] » Yeah. Through uh through the chair, if I may. Uh yes we did discuss this and um [47:51] the overall idea was uh the design is compatible with the underlying land use [47:56] which is industrial and it does fit in with the industrial district design look [48:00] and feel including the materials. So this has evolved a lot uh from what we [48:05] had seen uh previously and we believe the recess given through the light gray [48:11] and the dark gray followed by the glass on the top it's a very um improved [48:17] design from the initial um design that we had seen. So staff was comfortable [48:22] with this design given the underlying zoning district which is industrial. [48:27] » And remind me of the height of the dark brown facade. [48:35] » 24 ft to >> so two stories. [48:38] » Yes. >> To the glass. [48:40] » The glass is at 30 and then the dark paneling is at 24. [48:45] » Okay. All right. Thanks. I had um I think just [48:48] one more question which is the discovery path. Um we got an easement of 8 feet on [48:54] this side and we'll have another 8ft easement for the neighboring property [48:59] for a total of 16. The vision plan had a 44 foot width [49:05] » designed um understanding that this 8 foot is compatible with another site [49:11] that we have already given permission to do uh a narrower. Yes. [49:17] » Right. Which site was that again? >> Um so the [49:21] Alexandria had a modified industri uh discovery path. Um and the whole um [49:27] point of the vision plan, it's not a specific plan, it's a vision plan. So [49:31] it's more visionary. >> So it really just provides a framework [49:34] and a and a guide of how to do things and not set standards. So the 44 ft was [49:40] the highest and best. what happens um through actual site conditions and [49:44] working with the applicant is is what we see today. [49:48] » Okay. And um just kind of for the record, what would a 22 foot easement [49:53] have done to the project feasibility [49:58] » I can uh I think >> maybe the owner comment. Yeah. [50:02] » Yes. So just for the record that was the you know that would have challenged the [50:06] programming. So you know as a result of a very long discussion that's where we [50:12] settled >> right. Okay. Thank you. Uh no other [50:15] questions. Thanks so much. So now we'll go on to comments from the [50:21] public. Um first we'll take comments here in chambers and then after we do [50:26] that we'll go to comments on Zoom. We are on item is it 7A. Uh this is 9:30 [50:34] and 940 Commercial Street. If you'd like to make a public comment, if you're [50:38] here, please fill out a form. We're still taking them if you'd like. And if [50:43] you're on Zoom, the meeting number is 88635467439. [50:49] Or you can just call on the phone, call 1669-900-9128. [50:55] If you're on Zoom regular, you click you raise your hand by clicking on reactions [50:59] and then raise hand. If you're on the phone, you can press star 9 to raise [51:04] your hand virtually. Okay. So, I'm going to go through these [51:08] in the order that I received them. Um, first, Alejandro Martinez, followed by [51:14] Victor Deator and Armando Mario. Welcome. You have two minutes. [51:22] » Thank you. >> Good evening, board members and everyone [51:24] in the attendees. As mentioned, my name is Alejandro Martinez and I'm here with [51:27] the labors union. I'm here on behalf of the 4,800 [51:32] hardworking Luna Local 261 members who live in the area. As a member and [51:36] advocate, I'm here to express my strong support for this project. This project [51:41] represents an equitable investment in our community by creating significant [51:44] construction opportunities that pay livable wages with benefits, health care [51:49] for our entire families, and pensions for when we retire. Thousands of members [51:55] and their families live and work in San Madel and will directly benefit from the [51:59] construction phase. The developer has been a proven partner to be advocate [52:04] hardworking class members of our community with livable wages and [52:09] benefits. This commitment is essential as such jobs and critical addressing the [52:14] challenges our members face enhancing the overall economic vitality of our [52:18] community. This project will facilitate recruitment from training for new [52:22] apprentices from all areas of walk walks of life. Through our apprentichip [52:28] program, we actively welcome individuals from underserved communities, including [52:33] single mothers, veterans returning from service, and those returning from [52:36] incarceration. This represents meaningful steps towards [52:40] building the diverse workforce rooted for equity and opportunity. We're [52:44] excited about the benefits of this project extending the far beyond [52:48] construction phase. We wholeheartedly support the project and hope as well. [52:54] Please approve this project and promises deliver invaluable opportunities for our [52:58] members and broader community. Thank you for your time. Have a good evening. [53:03] » Thank you so much. Next, Victor Delator followed by Armando [53:09] Morio and then Eduardo Palano. Victor, welcome. [53:14] My name is Victor Delator. I've been a member of uh Launa since 1994 [53:19] and I'm here in full support of the project uh the 930 com commercial street [53:24] project in partnership with the XL and and the developers. A little bit about [53:28] myself, I've been a a member of Luna since um since I was 18 years old. Um I [53:34] I had to go and and and do construction. Um I I come from a single mother uh with [53:41] four kids and I we needed to to provide um I Luna has provided me with the [53:47] skills that I needed to to continue uh my career. Unfortunately, I became a um [53:53] single father of four um myself and I have to continue to uh provide and this [53:59] projects like the ones with XL um will benefit me and my families like mine [54:07] that are are um they're just trying to put food over over our kids, you know, [54:12] over our our house. Um having health care, that's very important. um this [54:19] provides that and you know one trip to the hospital can lead you to um you know [54:24] to uh being homeless. So it's it's essential for for us to have uh local [54:30] projects like this that will benefit local people and and we don't have to [54:33] travel. You know gas prices are um rising and and it's essential for us to [54:39] be able to get to work. Um, I know the the city of S. Carlos, um, the logo says [54:44] this the city of a good living and and I believe I I believe it is and uh these [54:49] projects um do matter to local people. I want to thank you for your time and um I [54:55] I mean I I I hope you um pass this approve this uh project. Thank you. I [55:01] know it's hard to stand here in public, but it's harder to come home and tell my [55:05] kids that I don't have a job. Thank you. >> Thank you. [55:12] Okay, Armando Morio followed by Eduardo Palano and Scott Rathjen. [55:19] » Good evening, Madame Chair and fellow uh commissioners and everyone here in [55:23] attendance. Again, my name is Armando Murio. I'm a field representative for [55:27] Carpenters Local 217, which covers the San Mateo County and uh we represent uh [55:33] just over 2,000 working carpenter members, brothers and sisters. And uh my [55:39] message is uh very uh clear and straightforward you know with regard to [55:44] this project. You know it's obviously um you know rooted in a industrious area [55:49] you know well suited for the type of business that the uh developer is going [55:53] to conduct. Um, you know, and once again, uh, partnering up with a [55:58] responsible contractor such as Excel Construction, uh, is going to afford [56:03] many of our working brothers and sisters the opportunity to earn a livable wage, [56:08] uh, support their families. Uh, they will also extend affordable health care [56:12] to our members so that we can continue to stay healthy and productive in [56:16] addition to supporting our state certified apprenticeship programs which [56:20] will lead to career paths in the future for our members. So once again, you [56:24] know, it's a win-win situation. Our community will also benefit from uh this [56:29] development in the future as well. So uh we strongly urge you to encourage and [56:34] move this project forward. Thank you very much. [56:37] » Thank you so much, [56:40] Eduardo Palano, followed by Scott Rathen. [56:49] » Welcome. Um, good evening planning commission [56:52] chairs and fellow board members. My name is Eduardo Polano and I'm proud member [56:58] local 60 driver and lathers. Um, proud to be a seven um per driver [57:06] apprentichip. I have eight years living in San Carlos. I I love this community. [57:12] That's why I come today to speak in favor of this project because it is will [57:17] allow apprentice like me to continue working in our city and avoid the [57:24] legendly community being stuck being stuck in traffic and away from our [57:30] families after hours. It is due respon resp responsibility companies like XL's [57:36] construction to continue to give us opportunity to make a lively wage in the [57:44] city where we live so that we can continue to drive here also. But as [57:52] supporting state certificates, apprentices programs like ours health [57:58] insurance and ours craft and careers will continue growing. [58:04] The benefits of this project are too many to mention in this short period um [58:09] of time. Give to the hardworking men's and woman's show as myself and our plus [58:18] for the community. That is why we that's why we stand here [58:24] to support this project and urgent to you to both in favor of it. Thank you [58:30] for your time. >> Thank you so much. [58:37] And we have Scott Wrathen. That's the last speaker card I have. If anyone else [58:41] would like to speak, feel free to fill out a card. Welcome. [58:45] » Good evening, council. Um um commission I am Scott Rathton from right here [58:52] Belmont. I'm a proud member of the 217 uh local um here in San County. We uh we [59:01] always enjoy work that is in our county. We always love to be working really [59:06] close to home. Um, and you guys approving this project is just um would [59:13] help a lot of our members that are local right here to stay local every day when [59:19] we go to work. So, we really appreciate you guys uh approving this project. [59:23] Thank you. >> Thank you so much. [59:29] » Please [59:32] just Well, either way. Yes. Thank you. >> I guess I [laughter] [59:38] » Thank you so much. >> To you, [59:41] » Walter. >> I am Walter Oriana. [59:43] » Oriana. Thank you. >> Yes. Good afternoon, members of the [59:45] Planning and Transportation Commission. My name is again Walter Oriana. I am a [59:52] BIS the business agent in San Francisco and San Monteo counties. I represent [59:57] plasters and cement masons local 300 with about three 3000 3100 members in [1:00:03] our area and about 5600 members on the Northern California [1:00:08] District Council. I I add my support into everything that [1:00:14] has been said about uh our families going to work with the opportunity to [1:00:20] uh get health insurance for our families. Apprentices can go to work and [1:00:24] learn the trades. uh in in not just with the cement finishers but also carpenters [1:00:28] that are present here, laborers and anybody else all the trades out there. [1:00:33] Um I I I support this project and on behalf of all these members that I [1:00:39] represent um [1:00:42] Excel Construction is the prime uh here and I really again I u support this [1:00:51] project. I I know that this is uh uh it'll it'll accommodate a future public [1:00:57] u pathway as it been said before and uh again I I firmly firmly uh support the [1:01:05] project. Thank you very much for your time. [1:01:08] » Thank you for being here. >> Great. Anyone else present in chambers [1:01:14] like to make a comment? Okay. Um so we'll turn over to Zoom. [1:01:20] Lynette, do we have any hands raised to comment on 930 and 940 Commercial [1:01:25] Street? >> Yes, we do. We have Harvey. [1:01:29] » Great. Harvey, welcome. Thanks for coming. [1:01:32] » You have two minutes. >> Good evening. My name is Harvey McCaran [1:01:38] and I'm a representative of the North Coast States Carpenters Union comprising [1:01:43] 57,000 hardworking members throughout Northern California and the states of [1:01:47] Oregon and Washington. This also includes many members who live in or [1:01:51] work within the vicinity of the proposed project. I want to firstly thank the [1:01:56] city for tonight's presentation and all the work done to move this project for [1:02:00] forward. I want to comment also in strong support of this project moving [1:02:04] forward in its construction phase. It will create solid employment [1:02:09] opportunities for the local community including living wage healthcare pension [1:02:13] and apprenticeship requirements for the construction workforce. I trust that the [1:02:17] city understands the benefit this represents for the local workforce and [1:02:21] our union looks forward to seeing the city support these opportunities by [1:02:25] moving forward tonight with the realization of this project. Thank you [1:02:28] very much. >> Thank you. Hardy [1:02:32] Lynette, do we have another hand raised? >> There are no more. [1:02:36] » Okay, we'll give that another few seconds in case anyone changes their [1:02:41] mind online and would like to make a public comment. You can raise your hand [1:02:45] by clicking on reactions and then the raise hand icon. [1:02:53] Lynette, any hands raised? >> There are none. [1:02:56] » Okay. Thank you. Then I think we need a motion to close public comment. [1:03:03] » I move to close public comments. >> Thank you. [1:03:05] » I second that. >> Great. Chair Clemens. [1:03:09] » Yes. >> Commissioner Anen, [1:03:10] » yes. >> Commissioner Canest, [1:03:12] » yes. And we've just been notified that Commissioner Tapias um is unwell. So, [1:03:18] Commissioner Bundy and Commissioner Tapias um are excused. [1:03:22] » Yes. Thank you. >> Wonderful. First, I want to thank [1:03:26] everyone who showed up and shared um their thoughts about the project and um [1:03:32] it was good to learn more about the intended general contractor and and the [1:03:36] um and the assets that they would bring and the benefits to the to the [1:03:41] community. So, thank you for that input. We appreciate it. [1:03:45] [clears throat] Okay, on to discussion uh by the [1:03:49] commissioners. Um, Commissioner Kenny, would you like to start? [1:03:52] » Sure. Yes. So, appreciate all the information and comments. Um, [1:03:58] particularly from uh the construction people. I I really I believe that it [1:04:04] would open up a lot of jobs in the San Carlos area. Um the one the one trade [1:04:11] that I didn't see uh was auto mechanic and I happened to be a that was early in [1:04:18] my career I did that and I think it's an important uh once the job gets done [1:04:23] they'll you'll be employing um auto mechanics in that that building I [1:04:27] assume. So it's another good thing I think for the community. [1:04:31] You know, from what I've seen, I think the project is code compliant and it [1:04:36] it's generally well supported. So, I think Laura, I think you did a good job [1:04:39] on that. SEK was not an issue that's cleared. Uh, we didn't see any public [1:04:45] comments or agency comments and it as we talked about, I think it fits the zoning [1:04:51] for heavy industrial. The automotive repair is is definitely allowed. Um, [1:04:56] interesting the chair's comment about the facade, but I think it kind of looks [1:05:01] cool myself, so I don't have a problem with it. But, um, overall I'm approve I [1:05:05] I uh approve the project to move forward. [1:05:10] » Thank you, Commissioner Commissioner Anand. Thank you, Chair. Um, so I'll [1:05:16] talk about two aspects here. The first one is um this this there's this new [1:05:21] business that is in line with the modern design aesthetic. So, I'm always excited [1:05:26] to see new buildings come up that align with the modern vision. Um, it also [1:05:31] aligns with our east side development plan as determined by the staff and as [1:05:36] as proven by the report. Um, any new business makes our city of good living [1:05:42] um even better because it creates new jobs. It brings in more economy uh for [1:05:47] the city. Um the second aspect is the community [1:05:52] benefit obviously. Thank you for everybody who made their comments. Uh [1:05:56] which clearly showed that any any new business is not just a business. There's [1:06:00] a lot of um there's a lot of um labor that goes into making it which means [1:06:06] carpenters, masonry, people who work with cement, concrete, transportation, [1:06:10] truck drivers. There's just so much happening. And I I'm particularly [1:06:15] excited about um the the the project uh involving local folks, people from [1:06:23] Sonteo County, which is incredibly valuable and sets a good example for [1:06:28] future businesses who are looking to set up shop in San Carlos to encourage them [1:06:33] to hire local as well. Um the the two things that I would uh reiterate would [1:06:39] be one coordination in case because considering there's a lot of development [1:06:43] happening on our eastern side. So the city being u more proactive which I'm [1:06:48] sure it will but just putting putting it down for the record to stagger any [1:06:52] construction timeline or heavy or any heavy trucks coming in and out staging [1:06:56] areas just all that if the projects talk to each other to minimize disruption in [1:07:00] the local community. And I also concur with the chair's comment about the [1:07:05] generator noise that if if it can be managed to minimize disruption to um the [1:07:11] local pedestrians and the and or even the bicyclists in the area. Uh overall [1:07:17] um uh all the best and I'm in support of the project. [1:07:22] » Thank you. I'm also in support of the project. It's very clear this fits the [1:07:26] vision plan. Um I appreciate the easement for the public discovery path [1:07:32] um accommodating bikes and I think this is a good example of the fact that every [1:07:37] kind of business can do a transportation demand management plan and is capable of [1:07:42] offering things that even you know a small number of employees may take [1:07:46] advantage of and I really appreciate that. Um the the large number of [1:07:52] replacement trees far over what is required is very much appreciated. And [1:07:57] um I concurred with staff that the wider um driveway to avoid awkward turns into [1:08:03] opposing traffic completely worth it to um to limit the number of street trees [1:08:08] that safety's first especially when there's so many other trees on site. Um, [1:08:13] I also really appreciate the the street lighting additions and also [1:08:17] undergrounding utilities which will make this area better. Um, we appreciate the [1:08:22] investment in this area. And um, I wanted to say that um, despite my [1:08:28] questions about the facade, I actually really like the materials um, on the [1:08:32] building. I think they're very attractive and very in keeping with the [1:08:35] vision of the east side. Um, and I guess I wanted to also say I'm very heartened [1:08:42] to hear that we're using um a a general contractor with so many relationships um [1:08:48] with the trades and that offer good benefits. I think that's wonderful if [1:08:52] that's at all possible on projects and I'm so glad to hear that it is possible [1:08:57] on this project. So, um, with all of those things, I guess I echo, um, uh, [1:09:02] Commissioner Anan's, um, suggestion to just test the generators at times where [1:09:07] we would minimize the amount of people affected on the sidewalks. We would [1:09:11] appreciate that. And with that, um, I will take a motion to approve. [1:09:17] Someone like to make a motion. [clears throat] [1:09:22] » Yeah. >> Great. Thank you. [1:09:23] » All right. I move that the planning and transportation commission grant approval [1:09:27] for a design review, protected tree removal permit, dirt hall and grading [1:09:31] certificate, transportation demand management plan, and adopt a resolution [1:09:36] to certify the initial study and mitigated negative declaration to [1:09:40] construct a new automotive repair building and a dedication of a 8- foot [1:09:45] wide public pathway easement at 930 and 940 Commercial Street, APN046-161- [1:09:54] 030 for the reasons incorporated in the staff report and subject to the [1:09:59] conditions of the attached code compliance certificate. [1:10:02] » Great. And I'd like to second that. >> Commissioner, [1:10:08] sorry. Chair Clemens. >> Yes. Thanks. [1:10:10] » Commissioner, >> yes. [1:10:12] » Commissioner Tapias and Commissioner Bundy are excused. And Commissioner [1:10:17] Cany, >> yes. [1:10:20] » Great. That passes. Congratulations. Thank you all again. [1:10:26] [applause] Thank you. [1:10:31] » Excellent. Um, we did want to note that the planning transportation commission's [1:10:35] action will be final unless it is appealed to the city council within 10 [1:10:39] days of the date of this action. Therefore, the deadline to file an [1:10:42] appeal is 5:00 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2026. [1:10:50] » Thank you all. [1:10:54] Thank you. Oh, thank you. Appreciate it. >> We're on to item eight, reports, [1:11:01] correspondence, and general information. Um item 8A, a report on recent city [1:11:08] council actions. I have one [1:11:14] uh this past city council meeting on April 13th uh the 707 [1:11:19] M Street project which is the senior housing the second reading of that [1:11:23] project was approved by council. Uh the PD amendment will be effective 30 days [1:11:28] after which is uh on May 13th. Uh after that the applicant will be able to pull [1:11:33] the building permit and start uh their formal review process for the building [1:11:38] permit. Great. >> Thank you. [1:11:42] Item 8B, Planning and Transportation Commission comments or reports. [1:11:48] I did want to make note that um in our mail that we got notice of a session [1:11:53] being hosted by 21 elements and somebody else [1:11:59] » together on inclusionary housing, >> which looks fascinating and if I was not [1:12:04] at a work event that night in the North Bay, I would definitely be going. Um any [1:12:08] more details richer that you remember? >> Yes, I was actually going to announce [1:12:11] that under D but since we are on that uh that um training is scheduled for April [1:12:17] 29th um which is on inclusionary housing specifically catered towards planning [1:12:22] commissioners. There will be dinner starting at 5:30 and then the uh [1:12:27] training will commence from 6 through 7:30 and it's in Berlingame community [1:12:32] center. Wonderful. Thank you. And was it just 21 elements hosting or it's [1:12:37] somebody else too? >> It's 21 elements but now they call [1:12:40] themselves community collaborative CPC community and planning. [1:12:44] » CPC staffs the 21 elements. Yes. Community planning collaborative. It's a [1:12:49] planning firm. >> Okay. [1:12:50] » Um that staffs the 21 elements group. >> Yeah. [1:12:54] » Yeah. Oh and it was um it was oh shoot I forget. It's something [1:13:00] like live San Monteo County or it's an initiative around helping people [1:13:06] understand housing issues and other development issues in Sonteo County. [1:13:10] » Right. They also staff that. [laughter] Thank you for that, Rich. Um item C, any [1:13:16] correspondence? >> None from staff. [1:13:19] » Okay, thanks. And um D, planning staff comments, reports, and any updates on [1:13:24] current projects? >> Yes, I have one. Uh this is related to [1:13:27] the northeast area specific plan. The final draft was published on April 15th [1:13:33] which is available online now. Um if anybody is interested they can go up to [1:13:38] the uh the website dedicated for the northeast area specific plan [snorts] [1:13:43] and uh review the review the plan which looks really great. Uh it was prepared [1:13:47] by Perkins and Will and um a lot of advanced planning staff [1:13:53] worked on it. So it's it's looking good at this point. Um the Northeast Asia [1:13:58] specific plan will be before commission soon. Uh the date is not yet decided but [1:14:03] it will be uh soon either in May or June. Okay. [1:14:07] » And that's it from staff. >> So it would behoove us to start reading [1:14:11] it sounds like [1:14:15] thank you for that. Um for the next couple of meetings, do you anticipate [1:14:19] items coming and the meetings being held in? do not have any particular [1:14:23] development projects scheduled as of now. But, uh, it's the only big item [1:14:27] that we are seeing is the northeast area specific plan. [1:14:30] » Okay. And so, um, do we anticipate both meetings being held in May? [1:14:35] » Yes. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. [1:14:40] » Great. And with that, I think we're adjourned. [1:14:44] Thank you for being here, Racha. Thank you, Greg.