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[clears throat]

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Is is that on the close session comment?

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>> Feel like we got to get a better table

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for Brian. No, that's perfect for him.

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It's like the little kids table at

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Thanksgiving.

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[laughter]

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[snorts]

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Okay. Call the special meeting of the

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San Clemeni City Council for August 18th

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order, noting that all five council

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members are present.

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>> Okay. And you're ready to recess to

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close. Is there a motion to recess to

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close session?

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>> Move.

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>> I'll second.

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>> We have a motion by Council Member

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Cabral, second by Council Member Amire.

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All in favor? I.

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» [snorts]

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>> You got one of your

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[snorts]

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» [clears throat and snorts]

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» Okay, mayor, it is 5:30. Would you like

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to start the business meeting?

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>> Absolutely. We'll call the San Clemen

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City Council meeting for August 18th to

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order.

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>> And we will start with the invocation

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given by Pastor Jim Wilkey with Calvary

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South OC.

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» Thank you for this uh honor and

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privilege. Heavenly Father, we uh we are

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reminded in your word in first uh first

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Timothy and second Timothy that uh we

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are to pray for those who are in

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authority. So today we lift up our

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mayor, our city council members, our

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staff, our police officers,

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firefighters, and all those who will

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being entrusted in serving this great

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community. Lord, give our leaders wisdom

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beyond their own understanding. Help

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them to make decisions with integrity

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and courage and humility and a genuine

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concern for the people they serve.

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Lord, we also just ask that you would

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give them the courage u to make

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decisions that uh there might be

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disagreement. Lord, give them civility

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in their dis in the way they discuss and

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um among them and among the citizens

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that bring their questions and concerns.

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Lord, may our city be a place where

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families can flourish, where people can

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worship freely, where businesses can

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prosper, where our streets are safe, and

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where our neighbors look out for one

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another. Lord, we thank you in all these

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things and give you praise and glory.

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Amen.

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>> Amen. Thank you, Jim.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Is Sophia de Rocher from the high school

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here someplace? Want to come up and lead

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us in the pledge? Uh, Sophia.

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>> Okay. Up there.

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>> Oh, okay.

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>> So people can see you better.

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>> Okay. Hello.

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>> Place your right hand over your heart.

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Ready? Begin. I pledge allegiance to the

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flag of the United States of America and

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to the republic for which it stands, one

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nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, real quick, Madame Clerk, before

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we go to the special uh presentations, I

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want to remind everybody this is the

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second meeting we have where we do uh

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accept uh oral communications from

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either Zoom or telephone.

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And what we're going to do is the same

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way we did the last meeting is we take

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all the people that are here in person.

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We take your cards first and then we're

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when we're done with those then we

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accept the oral communications for

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people who are not present. So if that's

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clear to everybody then we can continue.

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» Okay. Um next item on the just roll call

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and we will note that everyone is

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present. All council members are

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present. Next item on the agenda is

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special presentations and the first

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presentation is recogn rec recognition

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of humanitarian award recipients Sophia

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D Roshi and Ryan Quinca and I have

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plaques for both of them. Mayor,

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[applause]

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Sophia, congratulations. This one's for

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you. Um so uh this is uh because of all

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your humanitarian work that you've been

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doing throughout the city. Uh these

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applicants apply for this through the

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city and then our our uh committee on

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human resources or uh human affairs uh

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then goes through this and and uh looks

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at all their applications, looks at all

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of what they've done. They've nominate

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these through the city for our youth. So

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whereas the community safety and welfare

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committee of s of the s city of San

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clemeni recognizes the outstanding

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student leaders who have furthered

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mutual respect among fellow students and

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fostered multicultural understanding.

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And whereas Sophia de roucher has

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demonstrated a desire to make a

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difference through involvement with

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numerous organizations and volunteer

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efforts in the sami uh community. Now

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therefore, Mayor Rick Leler of the city

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of San Clemeni, acting on behalf of the

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city council and the citizens of San

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Clemeni, do hereby recognize Sophia Dur.

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Congratulations. [applause]

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» Sophia, why don't you hang on for a

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second? We'll get Ryan up here, too.

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Then we'll take a picture.

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>> Oh, well, there you are. Okay.

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>> Uh Ryan, uh my name is Steve Nobel. I'm

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the mayor pro town. I'm honored to read

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this. It says, "Whereas the community

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safety and welfare committee of the city

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of San Clementi recognizes the

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outstanding student leaders who have

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furthered mutual respect among fellow

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students and fostered multicultural

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understanding. And whereas and whereas

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uh Ryan Quinca has demonstrated a desire

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to make a difference through involvement

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in numerous organizations and volunteer

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efforts in the city of San Clemente and

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our community. Now, Rick Leler, on

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behalf of the entire city council, and

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as the mayor prom, I uh uh will honor

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you with this uh acting on behalf of the

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city of San Clemeni and the citizens of

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uh of San Clemitty recognize you, Ryan,

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for the work that you've done and the

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participation that you've done in our

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community. So, thank you very much and

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God bless you.

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>> [applause]

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» Sorry, I'll get out of the way.

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» Congratulations.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Congratulations, Sophia.

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Congratulations. Congratulations.

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>> Thank you.

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>> So, we're doing the other re want to

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stick here for a second here.

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>> We got the outgoing.

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>> Okay. Next item on the agenda is

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presentation of commendations to

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outgoing commission and committee

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members in recognition of their service

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and commitment to the city of S.

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Clemeni. From the arts and culture

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committee, we have Nicholas Craze, Kathy

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Kohler, and Joshua Pascowitz. Beaches

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Parks and Recreation Commission, Sherry

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Grace, Teddy Khan, Alyssa McCann,

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Matthew Schmidt, and Dee Van Nort.

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Community Safety and Welfare Committees,

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Stuart Anderson, and Tom Hazelton. Golf

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Course Committee, Mandy Hamilton.

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Planning Commission, Gary McConn, and uh

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that is it. If you you've received your

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files,

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>> if you're here, why don't you step up

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here? We'd like to acknowledge you. Get

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a get a great photo here. [applause]

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How's it going?

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Just want to say real quick, all these

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members of our committees and

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commissions put in a lot of volunteer

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time to to do really great work for the

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city. They meet, they come up with great

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ideas to help the city, reduce staff

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time, and anyway, it takes a lot. And

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these people that are going out, we're

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going to we're going to miss them all.

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And hopefully we put in their their

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people, the replacements, are going to

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do the same kind of job. But anyway,

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these are the people that really really

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are unbelievable the the in the the city

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who put in just so much time. So, let's

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give them another big round of applause.

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This is going to be my Christmas card.

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So, everybody everybody smile now.

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Yeah, we're gonna take a selfie.

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» Okay, let's take a selfie. Just real

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>> Oh, Josh got the selfie. [laughter]

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» I expect to see that on Facebook, Josh.

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hey. Well, thank you guys so much.

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>> Thank you so much. [applause]

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» Thank you. Excuse me.

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» Next item on the agenda is presentation

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by S. Clemen Police Services Chief

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Shioalier uh presenting the Orange

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County Sheriff's Department annual

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report.

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>> All right.

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» Good evening, Mayor Laughler, members of

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the city council and city staff. My name

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is Justin Shabbay. I'm the captain and

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chief of police services for the city of

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San Clemeni. We do have a presentation

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that uh my amazing staff put together.

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It'll be right up on your guys' screen.

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So, first off, I want to say that what

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you guys are going to see in this report

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is a reflection of the collective

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efforts not only from police services,

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but everyone involved in the city.

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Specifically, uh Andy Hall, the city

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manager, the entire city staff, and I

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want to shout out to Troy and Carly. At

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the end of the presentation, I will be

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giving uh some details on the um the

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amount of work that they have been

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contributing to regarding homelessness

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in the city of San Clemeni. So uh with

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that we can move on through the

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presentation and this is going to be for

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calendar year 2025. So January 1 through

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December 31st. In total we had around

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25,000 calls for service and out of that

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25,000 10,000 were of proactive. And

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just so we can kind of put it in

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layman's terms. That's just about a

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little less than half um the deputies

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that work here in the city. They're

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going out and they're looking for stuff.

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around 14,000 or 15,000 those are calls

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for service that the city gets. Um, and

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we are the busiest city in the entire

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county as far as calls for services is

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concerned. So, your guys' dollars are

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going to good work here. Let me go to

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the next slide.

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And again, one of the things that I

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wanted to institute when I got here uh

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early last year in February of 2025 is I

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wanted to make sure that the deputies

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were not at the station and they were

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out in the streets being productive and

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proactive in the patrol and they have

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absolutely accomplished that in the the

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calendar year of 2025. Next slide,

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please.

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These are just some of the the photos

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that are appropriate um that we can

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share here, but this doesn't really show

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the amount of work that the deputies put

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in. I think overall in uh calendar year

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2025, we seized hundreds of pounds of

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illegal narcotics, but again, we wanted

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to make sure this was appropriate for

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all the kids viewing uh the presentation

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tonight, but our guys do and gals do a

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really, really good job. Next slide,

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please.

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Okay, as you guys can see going back to

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the year 2022, crime has steadily

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decreased in the city of San Clemeni.

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And again, that is obviously we are the

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public safety uh uh leaders, if you

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will, when it comes to policing here in

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the city, but it's a collective effort

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with all the city leadership and

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everyone that's involved in public

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safety in the city. So, we're hoping to

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have an additional decrease in 2026 and

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so far it is looking like that, but as

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you can see, that's record lows over the

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last decade. Next slide, please.

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One of the things that's near and dear

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to my heart is community outreach. We

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have an amazing community outreach team

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that includes our crime prevention

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specialist, staff specialists, and

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office specialists, including a lot of

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deputies, our ad administrative deputy,

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and school resource officers. Um, we now

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have two um that go out and are

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routinely in the community conducting uh

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positive uh interactions with community

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and law enforcement. Our national night

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out has been a success year-over-year.

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It's coming up again October 16th, and I

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hope to see all you guys out there. will

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have a really really good showing of

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resources that the Orange County

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Sheriff's Department brings to you guys'

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city. Next slide, please.

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So, looking ahead, we're going to

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continue to reduce crime. Um, one of the

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things I wanted to do was increase our

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business uh watch program. It's just

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like neighborhood watch, but for

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businesses because they're just as

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valuable as the residents here in the

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city. So, we want to make sure that we

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continue to strengthen that uh

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relationship that we have with him.

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Obviously, crime, uh, we want to

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continue to reduce that and emergency

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response to things. I believe community

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development director Adam Tamian has put

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together a really good team when it

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comes to emergency preparedness and

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emergency management and we're going to

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continue to work well with them so that

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way when something bad does happen in

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the uh in in the emergency management

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realm we're working together and it's

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not going to be the first time that we do it. We do practice regularly. We

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have a meeting actually coming up for

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fires. Um and that is something that we

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have been doing monthly uh to make sure

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that we're completely prepared for any

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emergency incident that does occur. Next

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slide please.

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Uh just a couple plugs. We do have an

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option for you guys to register the

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locations of some of your private

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cameras that you guys do have. Um it's

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residential and commercial and it does

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not mean that Big Brother is going to be

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watching uh by any means, but if there

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is a crime that does occur, it's going

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to provide our team the ability to see

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where a camera location is. My

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department would then reach out to you

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and ask if you could personally provide

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the video to us. So, we wouldn't be

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installing any sort of devices or

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anything like that. It's merely just a

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location uh for a camera if a crime is

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to occur in an area where that camera

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is. And that's our uh real-time

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operation center uh up in Tustin. That

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would would be kind of the forefront of

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that. Next slide, please.

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Our ebike uh rider program has been

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extremely successful in the city. Um,

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we're going to continue to push that

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with education as well as aggressive

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enforcement. Uh, because the last thing

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that we want is anyone to get hurt or

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anyone to continue to think that it is

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okay to violate the rules of the road.

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Um, so with the public safety, the

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education, awareness, and enforcement

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that we have done this past year, in

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2025, it's going to continue in 2026,

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and we're going to hope that we never

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have any major incidents regarding

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ebikes, uh, collisions or illegal riding

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in the city that that become a problem.

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Next slide, please.

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follow us on social. And then there's a

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couple stats that aren't going to be on

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here that I wanted to share with you

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guys. Um, back when I first got here in

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February of 2025, we had over 50 uh

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people experiencing homelessness in the

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city. With the efforts of Troy and

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Carly, the city, and obviously in

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partnership with the sheriff's

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department, we've been able to reduce

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that number to 10 and that is as of this

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month. Um, and again, that's through

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outreach efforts getting finding them

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housing and of course enforcement of the

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uh many municipal codes and laws that we

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have here available to us in the city.

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Uh an additional number and stat that is

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available um readily available if you

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guys ask is our priority one response

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time. Last year uh our priority one

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response time was 4 minutes and 41

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seconds. Uh in 2025 we got that down to

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4 minutes and 35 seconds. So every

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second counts and yes that's only 6

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seconds. But again 6 seconds could be

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the difference between life and death.

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And because of the proactiveness and the

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partnership that we have with the city

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and our deputies doing an excellent job

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being out there in the streets, we've

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been able to get that time down to a

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pretty good amount. I I think we are

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leading in that category for the entire

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county as well. So with that, appreciate

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you guys. It is a pleasure to serve the

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city of St. Clemenia as Elizabeth

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Mitchell would say, but I'm here for any

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questions if you guys have them.

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>> Thank you, Chief, to start with.

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[applause] Outstanding.

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Have any questions or comments for the

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chief? Yeah,

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>> you know this issue, you know very well

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because people have been writing to you

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this past week about uh Los Ramblas and

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uh and can you just give the community a

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little bit of an update on on what's

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happening there and and how you intend

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to address that?

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>> Sure. Now, in partnership with the city,

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uh the resident uh that the residents in

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the street that is affecting off of La

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Rambla and the four beach patrol

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deputies that we have instituted over

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the last year, I think we're going to be

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able to conduct a education uh uh I

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don't want to call it a task force, but

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it's going to be heavily enforced in

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that area to make sure that that problem

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does not continue because obviously it's

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a beautiful view, but the resident uh

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the residents of that street pay for

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that beautiful view and they're entitled

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to that. I

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>> I I'm aware you're on top of it. Our

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staff's on top of it, but I just want to

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make sure the community knows that. Yes,

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sir.

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>> Things are being done.

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> Anything else?

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>> Thanks, Chief.

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>> Thank you.

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[clears throat]

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>> Next item on the agenda is council

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member reports.

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>> Anybody want to volunteer to kick it

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off?

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>> I I would actually u make a motion just

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to say to ask that we move this to right

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before um our uh consent calendar. uh

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over the past few times we have gone

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into 15 20 minutes of talking and and I

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know that we have discussed before hey

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keeping this to two minutes but we

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cannot hold ourselves to that uh amount

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so I would make a motion to move this to

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right before consent

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» Mark are you talking about this meeting

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only or as a policy and going forward

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>> just for this meeting meeting only and

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then we can discuss this for a policy

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going forward later if we if we so

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desire

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There's no

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>> I'm good on it. I I I was second of

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that.

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>> You'll second it. Okay.

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>> Okay. So, that's just for clarification.

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So, you're saying for this meeting

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>> just for this meeting to move it to

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right before consent.

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>> Okay. My my my feeling is if you if we

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want to move it, we should have

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discussion on it future agenda. That's

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>> policy change.

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>> That's fine. I was just put on itself,

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but if we want to move it and discuss as

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a future agenda item, we can.

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>> But is it is it proper without

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agendaizing the item that we that we

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>> as I understand the motion? Um, council

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meer just wants to move it for this

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meeting, which is moving things around

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on the agenda. That's proper.

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>> Okay. So, we've had a uh a motion by

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council member, a second by council

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member Woo. All in favor?

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>> I opposed. No.

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>> Loses or fails three to two. Okay.

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>> Okay. So, do you want to give your

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council member report now or you want to

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>> I I can go later.

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>> You can wait. [laughter]

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>> You just go for it.

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>> No, no. I said you could wait till the

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end if you want.

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>> Let's go. Hey, Victor, you want to kick

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it off?

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>> I'll kick it off. Uh we had a meeting

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with Love San Clemeni. We have a event

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scheduled for

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>> [snorts]

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>> uh 912 of this year as you you'll all

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know the the 25th anniversary of 911.

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It's a it's a work uh uh volunteer day.

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We're we're going to have uh [snorts]

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the Love San Clemeni event beginning uh

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on the 912 that Saturday. There's a [snorts] whole slate of of

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volunteer opportunities. Take a look at

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the Love San Clemeni website uh for the

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Love San Clemeni school projects. We had

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almost a thousand volunteers. We hope to

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have at least that many for projects to

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clean up our city. Uh we had a city

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investment advisory meeting and I'll

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leave it at that. We had a golf course

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uh committee uh review of interviews for

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the the the pro shop. Attended the

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Fiesta Music Festival. We had last week

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the OCTA study review session. Most of

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you know what happened in that meeting.

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Uh we had the arts and crafts fair this

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past weekend.

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We had the community engagement panel.

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uh uh present draft presentation review

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this week or meetings next week uh where

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we're going to talk about the options

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that are going forward for moving the

542
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:16,319
nuclear fuel out of San Clemente. I had

543
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,880
meetings with residents in SH Cypress

544
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,920
Shores about uh what's happening with

545
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,119
the parking down in South San Clementi.

546
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:26,960
Residents have been very concerned about

547
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,119
that. You got got together with

548
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,280
residents down there. A lot of it's been

549
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,440
cleaned up, but uh there's still ongoing

550
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,000
efforts to to clean that up. Had a

551
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,599
meeting with state parks down there,

552
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,160
Scott Kirby, about some projects that

553
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,079
we're working on to clean up the the

554
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:44,480
state parks. Also, that's it.

555
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,079
>> Great, Zen.

556
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,720
>> Thank you, Mayor. [snorts] Um on August

557
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,119
the 10th, attended OCTA Coastal Rail

558
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:53,599
Resiliency Study public listening

559
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:57,040
session. on August the 12th attended a

560
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,880
Skag gener connect so-called 2025

561
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,720
subcommittees meeting. It's the first

562
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,119
meeting to kick off the preparation for

563
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,839
the long-term planning document.

564
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:10,720
Um, also

565
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,559
I' I'd like to give a shout out to our

566
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,400
city manager Andy Hall and worked

567
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,000
diligently on the homelessness issue at

568
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,200
the south south end of El Camino Ria.

569
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,799
Um, I think we're getting close to a

570
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:29,440
some

571
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,839
we've made some temporary improvement.

572
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:35,200
It's not completely solved yet, but um

573
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,119
we're still working on a solution, but

574
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,839
um at certain time Annie may have

575
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:43,040
something to to share with the public.

576
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,839
Um lastly, Laura, do you have my

577
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:48,720
presentation? You can put Okay. Um, I'd

578
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,599
like to um report on the I'd like to

579
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:56,240
talk about the August 10th

580
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,040
the press conference experience in front

581
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,839
of the city hall. Uh, may I respect

582
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:03,760
request a brief extension beyond a

583
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,280
two-minut advisory time limit. Uh, on

584
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,440
Monday the 10th at 4:30, a press

585
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,839
conference was held in front of the city

586
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:15,040
hall. Um,

587
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,960
a few days earlier, the city manager's

588
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,599
office posted a notice on the city

589
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,079
website stating, as you can see on the

590
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,720
screen, city officials will be available

591
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,960
for comment beginning at 4:30 p.m. just

592
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,839
ahead of the 5:00 public listening

593
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:34,240
session on OCTA's coastal rail

594
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,040
resiliency study. This official news

595
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,920
release also promoted a letter written

596
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,599
by council member Cabra acting sortly in

597
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,240
his individual capacity.

598
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,200
Despite the promise of city officials

599
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,799
being available, I was never notified. I

600
01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:56,240
attended anyway because I found it out.

601
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,799
Uh I want to make myself to you know

602
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:01,280
make myself available to the public as

603
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,119
expected

604
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,680
only to be told on the spot by council

605
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,480
member Cabra it's not your press

606
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,400
conference

607
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,160
even though other council members were

608
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,760
present.

609
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,200
Council member Cabra is entirely free to

610
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,920
hold personal press events in public

611
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,000
spaces whenever he chooses. My concern

612
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,799
is the borrowed legitimacy.

613
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:28,799
By using the city manager's office to

614
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:32,079
advance a personal message, he blured

615
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:35,119
the line between individual opinion and

616
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,520
official city policy.

617
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,119
We can hold a personal press conferences

618
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,000
or we can hold a city sanctioned event

619
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,079
where the entire council is properly

620
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:48,960
notified and consulted.

621
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,440
What we cannot do is to disguise a

622
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,760
personal media event as official city

623
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,480
function. This council never authorized

624
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,000
it.

625
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,240
Using public resources to present a

626
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,799
personal opinion of the city's official

627
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:06,000
stance damages public trust. This is a

628
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,960
failure of institutional propriety

629
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,559
and this council must have zero

630
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,799
tolerance for it.

631
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:14,799
Later in this mo in this meeting, I will

632
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:17,040
move to agenda as a policy change to

633
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,319
clarify our communications procedures

634
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:22,079
and I hope the rest of the council will

635
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:25,520
join me in this necessary review. If I

636
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,680
do not receive a second, I will issue my

637
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,720
findings as my own news release and I

638
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,119
would ask the city manager office to

639
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:35,040
accommodate his publication with the

640
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,599
exact same courtesy as council member

641
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,760
Woo's personal statement, not the

642
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,839
city's. Thank you. Thank you, Zen Mark.

643
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:44,079
Uh,

644
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:47,200
>> all I like to say is that it is a it is

645
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,599
uh back to school today. Uh, students

646
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:54,808
are back there and I want to just give a quick um uh

647
01:02:54,808 --> 01:02:55,839
[clears throat] I want to say warning,

648
01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:58,319
but to the parents who have ebikers

649
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:00,160
going out there, just a heads up that

650
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,559
our law enforcement are going to be out

651
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:05,119
there this week and next week uh really

652
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:09,520
looking for to make sure our kids are following the laws on those roads.

653
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,200
So, just be aware of that. Please talk

654
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:15,119
to your kids um about safe uh bike safe

655
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:17,039
biking and ebiking to schools.

656
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:17,680
>> All right, that's all.

657
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:18,720
>> Thank you, Mark.

658
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,280
>> Steve, yes, I attended the uh as one of

659
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,880
my colleagues has the several of our

660
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,720
colleagues have the Orange County uh

661
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,599
sand uh coastal resiliency meeting last

662
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:29,359
week. I also attended a Chamber of

663
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:31,839
Commerce ribbon cutting event for the uh

664
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:35,039
Severson event. And um I also had an

665
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:36,720
opportunity to drive once again in the

666
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,640
Orange County Fair Circ uh

667
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,000
demolition derby figure 8 race uh for

668
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,680
the second time and the second time I

669
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,039
actually came in first place which was

670
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:48,079
enjoyable. Wow.

671
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:49,599
>> Although the mayor had some problems

672
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:50,960
with his car. Uh

673
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,079
>> I saw I have a [laughter] Mr. Mayor

674
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:56,720
Proam I have it on good information that

675
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,599
they saw you tampering with my car

676
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,520
before the race even started. I want to

677
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,520
make a point of order on that right now.

678
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,520
>> I'm innocent. I'm innocent. It was a it

679
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,760
was a fun derby. We raised about $50,000

680
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,000
for Chalk Hospital. It was a lot of fun.

681
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,559
Um, uh, Stevenson also I attended for,

682
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:18,000
uh, Shelley, uh, Kindred the her, uh,

683
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,480
gathering for her at the OC Tavern. And

684
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,400
it's a good thing the the fire marshall

685
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,000
wasn't there because I'm sure we were

686
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,319
way way over the, uh, the, uh,

687
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:28,400
population limitation, but, uh, was a

688
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,480
wonderful event for Shelley who's having

689
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,000
some health issues, and it was nice for

690
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,000
the community to to acknowledge her. So,

691
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,359
>> awesome. My part.

692
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:37,760
>> Thank you. Well, Laura can put up my

693
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,520
slide of, you know, you've heard about

694
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:40,799
most of the things that happened in the

695
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:42,240
city, so I'll just put slide, but I want

696
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,960
to say that August 18th is an incredible

697
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,520
day in music history. In 1956, Elvis's

698
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,920
Hound Dog rose to the number one status

699
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,359
and was on number one for six months. In

700
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:58,000
1960, the Beatles made their first

701
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,480
public appearance in Hamburg, Germany.

702
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,599
And in 1969, as some of us remember, was

703
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,280
the last day of the Woodstock Music

704
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,839
Festival. Incredible day in music

705
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:10,000
history. And I thought maybe we would do

706
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,119
something. It's getting towards the end

707
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,440
of the summer here. And uh I wanted to,

708
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:14,559
you know, acknowledge just how

709
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:16,319
important, you know, music is in our in

710
01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:19,039
our city. And I I was trying to think of

711
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:20,960
what to do. And then our city manager

712
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,839
said he was really a fran a fan of uh

713
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:28,640
brother is that's Israel Kamaka we o you

714
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,680
know as you all know one you know uh the

715
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,400
rainbow song you know yeah well brother

716
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,799
is so anyway I I'd like to come up and

717
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:39,039
maybe do a little homage to him and I'd

718
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,039
like I I could use some backups I'd like

719
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:45,520
anybody my fellow city council members I know the city attorney has you know a

720
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,200
great interest in music and maybe we

721
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,799
could do this real quick if you if you

722
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:56,230
wouldn't mind if you were indulging.

723
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,319
» By the way, my CD, it's a little old.

724
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:00,240
Don Ho sings the island hits with Rick

725
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,480
Leler. Is available on Apple Music.

726
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,200
Anybody wants to pick it up, I'm just

727
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:27,270
saying. So,

728
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,640
Happy birthday

729
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,470
to you. [music and singing]

730
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,856
» Happy birthday

731
01:06:36,856 --> 01:06:41,440
[music] to you.

732
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:42,160
Happy [singing]

733
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,799
birthday [chanting]

734
01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:48,400
dear Laura.

735
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,680
Happy birthday

736
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:52,480
to [singing]

737
01:06:52,480 --> 01:07:00,309
you. [music]

738
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:03,701
ALL RIGHT

739
01:07:03,711 --> 01:07:04,640
[applause]

740
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:09,430
TODAY.

741
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,680
I really know how to throw a party. All

742
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,520
right, Lois, first first order first

743
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,760
person on oral communications. Are you

744
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:18,480
singing?

745
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:19,760
>> My birthday song last.

746
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,051
>> Thank you, mayor. I appreciate that.

747
01:07:22,051 --> 01:07:23,039
[laughter]

748
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:26,319
>> What about the backup group?

749
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:30,240
>> No songs from me.

750
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,280
>> Just some more hard facts about that 1%

751
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,319
sales tax increase on the ballot. The

752
01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:38,559
sand replenishment and fire prevention

753
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:42,240
measure known as the San Clemeni natural

754
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,720
hazard protection and resilience act of

755
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,599
2026 will distribute the monies in the

756
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:50,480
following manner of the funds deposited

757
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,160
into the beach fund at least 70% must be

758
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,799
used for sand replenishment nourishment

759
01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:59,280
beach erosion but what happens to the

760
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,480
other 30%. Why isn't all of it being

761
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,440
used for that? The fire protection and

762
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,839
wildfire preparedness fund is even more

763
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:12,160
mysterious. 50% is only deposited into

764
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,359
that legally restricted fund dedicated

765
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:17,759
exclusively to fire prevention,

766
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:20,400
emergency response support, and wildfire

767
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,199
risk reduction. It would include support

768
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:25,679
for OPA and other fire protection

769
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:28,239
services provided or contracted by the

770
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:30,719
city of San Clemeni. What other agency

771
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:33,679
besides OVA provides fire protection

772
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:37,199
services or are contracted by this city?

773
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:40,319
Resources to enhance wildfire readiness,

774
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:43,359
emergency response, firefighters. But

775
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,359
excuse me, don't we pay for this

776
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:49,120
already? Just ask our city manager or

777
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,359
the budget personnel about what

778
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,920
constitutes the largest expense in this

779
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,440
budget.

780
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:58,560
city administered long-term wildfire

781
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,960
prevention programs that include

782
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,279
planning, risk assessments, and

783
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:06,400
partnerships, vague terminology, to

784
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,960
reduce hazards.

785
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,080
The city without any expertise in this

786
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,799
area will carry out these programs on

787
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:17,600
both public and private lands. What are

788
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,640
they going to be doing on private lands?

789
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,600
citywide community outreach, education

790
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,759
and management and engagement programs

791
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:28,000
focused on wildfire prevention and

792
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,920
vegetation management across both again

793
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,640
public and private lands.

794
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,040
Would this include providing homeowners

795
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,120
that live on bluffs information about

796
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,480
how to prevent slides as is already

797
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:45,359
performed in other beach cities without

798
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,080
any increase in taxes?

799
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,440
And what happens to the other 50%.

800
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:53,759
Here is a breakdown of their taxes. If

801
01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:56,719
we raise $10 million, $5 million will go

802
01:09:56,719 --> 01:10:00,880
to the sand fund. 70% or 3.5 sand

803
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,679
replenishment. Dredging costs are about

804
01:10:03,679 --> 01:10:07,520
$10,000 for a cubic yard. So we get 350

805
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,239
cubic yard of beach for that. But what

806
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:12,080
happens to the other one the other one

807
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,199
a.5 million and the $5 million placed in

808
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:18,880
the firerevention restricted fund? 50%

809
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,520
or 2.5 million is spent on fire

810
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,640
prevention. Specific programs are hinted

811
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,640
at, but there are no cost estimates.

812
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,640
Neither the city council nor its staff

813
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,040
have any expertise in this area.

814
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:35,520
>> Thank you.

815
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,120
>> What happens to the other two and a half

816
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:37,679
million?

817
01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:40,320
>> Thank you. Like your shirt.

818
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,159
>> Okay, I'll call up the next uh few

819
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:43,920
speakers, Amanda Kinttonia, followed by

820
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,480
Susie Lance and Rick Rodriguez.

821
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:48,080
And um we'll start with those and then

822
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,159
we have a group of individuals.

823
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:53,440
>> Great. Good afternoon.

824
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:58,080
Um next slide please. So um last city

825
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,159
council meeting uh there was concerns

826
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,719
regarding how the process how certain

827
01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:05,760
projects are pushed through. Um the

828
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,120
Victoria sidewalk widening was a concept

829
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,080
that has changed. It's undergone several

830
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,840
changes and um at the uh beaches parks

831
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,440
and recreation commission the staff

832
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:21,120
report um said of June the 23rd that the

833
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,239
fiscal impact the action had no cost

834
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:27,440
implications. Well, that's not true. Um

835
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:29,760
next slide please. Oh, also there was no

836
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,120
arborist report in that staff report. Um

837
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,719
according to the director of beaches

838
01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:36,480
parks and recreation commission, she had

839
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,159
mentioned I do not have an arborist

840
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:41,520
report for the tree. Next slide please.

841
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,880
Um so um one of the concerns was this

842
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,600
was a capital improvement um program

843
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,440
project and it was from funding was from

844
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:55,520
the gas tax RMR fund which was approved

845
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,280
at the June 2nd um city council meeting

846
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,199
under SB1. However, uh in the beaches

847
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,199
parks and recreation commission agenda

848
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,280
staff agenda report it said no fiscal

849
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,120
impact. So there is a fiscal impact.

850
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:10,800
There is money coming from somewhere

851
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,000
which could have been used for some

852
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,920
other places like T Street Bridge. Next

853
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,679
slide please. So um one of the concerns

854
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:21,120
was that you wanted to expand the

855
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,719
Evanita Victoria to have more access on

856
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:27,360
um the sidewalk. However, here's two

857
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,480
areas. Um here's an area where two

858
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:34,400
parking spaces can be um placed for a

859
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,320
trolley line. So there's more space

860
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,280
there. There's benches over there. Uh

861
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,719
there's a bench there and you can put

862
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,400
move the other bench on the other side.

863
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,199
So you can you can have more room. The

864
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:47,600
meter parking can be restored on the

865
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,400
opposite side of the street which um we

866
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,640
had mentioned to Andy Hall at on the

867
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,760
June 3rd 20 June 23rd meeting that we

868
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,320
had uh down at the pier. Next slide

869
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,360
please. And so one of the things that

870
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,400
the San Pier Conservancy said is that

871
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,159
they mentioned a report an arburous

872
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,600
report uh that its canopy had already

873
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,080
been trimmed to improve um safety in the

874
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,480
stairwell but there was no arburous

875
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:18,239
report done and that I received

876
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:20,000
confirmation from the city manager

877
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,840
regarding that. Next slide please. So

878
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,239
also there was also a concern regarding

879
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:29,040
um on their web page it said um that

880
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:30,800
they wanted to minimize traffic

881
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,199
congestion but according to our city

882
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,520
engineers there is no traffic congestion

883
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,760
on a meeting of Victoria so there is no

884
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,040
data to support that. Next slide please.

885
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,960
So, um, one of the things that they

886
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,320
wanted to do is to restore the majestic

887
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,640
corridor, but if you could see here, the

888
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,719
little circles are those are the view

889
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:52,640
corridors, and it's not in front. Next

890
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,360
slide. And then I think I'm out of time.

891
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,709
Thank you,

892
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:07,510
» Susie Lance and Rick Rodriguez.

893
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,360
» Good afternoon, everyone. and I'm Susie

894
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,199
Lance with the San Clemente Chamber of

895
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:13,199
Commerce and I'm here with Rick from our

896
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:16,159
board of directors. Um, I wanted to just

897
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:19,199
take a moment to thank the council, the

898
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:21,840
city staff, and all the city partners

899
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,360
for supporting the 71st

900
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,400
Fiesta Music Festival last Saturday. It

901
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,040
was an incredibly safe and fun and

902
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,520
successful event. It was also a very

903
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,760
profitable event. We were really proud

904
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,679
to share that our beverage booth

905
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:41,120
gratuitities alone produced $10,000 in

906
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,000
tips and those will go back to our local

907
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,920
charities. In fact, we cut those checks

908
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,640
today and um those include some

909
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,800
charities such as Pet Project

910
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,239
Foundation, Fish for Life, uh Knights of

911
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,560
Columbus, and others. So, it's really

912
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,080
exciting to be able to give that money

913
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,960
out just a week later. Um the economic

914
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,440
impact was also really significant. and

915
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:05,760
a couple of restaurants shared that it

916
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,360
was their best day on record ever. So,

917
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,080
that was really exciting to hear. Most

918
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,159
importantly, people stayed downtown

919
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:16,800
after the event. They shopped, they

920
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,360
enjoyed the restaurants. Um, we had

921
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:20,960
really good behavior, which was

922
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,520
wonderful. Um, even the Myiramar um

923
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,440
shared that they had a really um

924
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,600
successful evening. People even went

925
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,679
down that way and enjoyed the food there

926
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:32,400
after the event. So, thank you, Rick.

927
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,719
Yeah, just want to say thank you to uh

928
01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:36,400
city manager and council members who

929
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,560
were in attendance of the fiesta and

930
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,080
experienced it firsthand. It was awesome

931
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,480
to see you guys there. I know where came

932
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:44,640
up and gave some words about how San is

933
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,120
so great and why the fiesta is so

934
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,679
important to the community here. Um huge

935
01:15:49,679 --> 01:15:52,239
thank you to the city staff that did

936
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:54,800
help with the planning and the setup and

937
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,320
everything like that. I mean without you

938
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,480
guys it would be really hard to do. And

939
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,400
thank you for the sheriff department for

940
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,120
having their presence there, for RSVPs,

941
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,360
for C. I mean, all these all these great

942
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,199
organizations that did help us help put

943
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,159
it on there. Um, and we are very proud

944
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:11,760
of what the fiesta delivered to St.

945
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,920
Clinton this year to our businesses and

946
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,080
nonprofits and our community. And we

947
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,000
hope that, you know, next year with the

948
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,199
72nd Fiesta that we can have the city

949
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:23,440
support again to put on a great

950
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:25,120
community event for the community. So,

951
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,040
thank you guys. Well, Susie and Rick,

952
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,960
let's thank the chamber for all the hard

953
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,600
work to put on [applause] an incredible

954
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,120
event. Thank you so much.

955
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:34,480
>> Yeah. Thank you guys.

956
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,480
>> Thank you.

957
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,000
>> I did have a question though about the Raiders booth.

958
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,560
>> Uh the Raiders booth. Yeah,

959
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,239
>> there there will always be a Raiders

960
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:44,719
booth. [laughter]

961
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:49,040
>> Always. Raider Nation. Go Mendoza.

962
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,320
Is that the last?

963
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,719
>> No. Um the next card has several

964
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:54,480
speakers on it, so I'll call you all up

965
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:58,239
at once. Lucy Inis, Juke Johnston, Lucas

966
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:01,199
Mora, Nate Noel, and I think it's Nathan

967
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:03,120
Wondreies. I can't quite get the last

968
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,000
name.

969
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,040
>> Are they here?

970
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,239
>> Are

971
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:07,600
>> Oh, okay. We're all going to come up

972
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,920
together. This is great. Okay,

973
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,000
Chief, look out for the They look like

974
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,600
they might be organized here. There's

975
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,840
something going on. Keep an eye out

976
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,669
here.

977
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:23,760
» Good afternoon. I'm uh Jake Johnson

978
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,440
representing San Clemeni Marine Safety

979
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:27,280
Department and we want to bring

980
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,320
attention to one important issue um that

981
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,800
will be lifeguard pay. Our message is

982
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,480
simple. San clemeny lifeguards should be

983
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:36,320
getting paid more. When we compare our

984
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:37,840
wages with other Southern California

985
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,520
beach cities, San Clemen has fallen

986
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,239
behind. San Clemeni lifeguards start at

987
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:45,199
approximately 2070 an hour. Meanwhile,

988
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,760
Huntington Beach pays roughly 2250 an

989
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,080
hour starting. Laguna Beach pays about

990
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,040
2372 and Newport Beach starts about

991
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,520
approximately 25 an hour with

992
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,840
experienced guards earning even more.

993
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,040
These are neighboring coastal

994
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,360
communities asking lifeguards to perform

995
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:02,640
many of the same critical

996
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,320
responsibilities we perform here in

997
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,560
Skeleman. [snorts] We understand that

998
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,040
not every department structure we

999
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:10,080
understand that every department

1000
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,000
structures paid differently but the

1001
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,320
overall trend is clear. Other

1002
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,080
departments have increased wages and S.

1003
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,320
Clemeny needs to catch up. And this

1004
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,400
isn't just about comparing numbers.

1005
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:21,920
Being a San Clemeni lifeguard means

1006
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,360
being responsible for the safety of

1007
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,440
thousands of residents and visitors. We

1008
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,360
perform ocean rescues, respond to

1009
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,440
medical emergencies, search for missing

1010
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,360
children, manage dangerous surf

1011
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:32,880
conditions, and make decisions in

1012
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,640
seconds that can have life or death

1013
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,199
consequences. Our compensation should

1014
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:39,679
reflect that level of responsibility.

1015
01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:41,520
Competitive pay also helps San Clemeni

1016
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,679
retain experienced lifeguards. Every

1017
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:45,199
year guard returns, they gain more

1018
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:47,280
knowledge of our coastline, currents,

1019
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,199
surf conditions, hazards, and emergency

1020
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,360
response systems. Those experienced

1021
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,199
guards become leaders and train the next

1022
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:55,520
generation. But when a lifeguard can

1023
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,040
drive a short distance up the coast and

1024
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,360
earn significantly more comp uh

1025
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,360
comparable work, we risk losing

1026
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,199
experienced people that this city has

1027
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:05,440
invested years in training. We take

1028
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:06,719
tremendous pride in working for San

1029
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:09,040
Clemeni. Many of us, many of us grew up

1030
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,960
on these beaches. We know this coastline

1031
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,640
and we care about this community and

1032
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,280
we're proud to protect it. But pride in

1033
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,760
our department shouldn't mean accepting

1034
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,000
below market pay. We're asking the city

1035
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,239
to bring sleguard wages in line with

1036
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:24,960
comparable departments. If Sany expects

1037
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,800
professionalism, commitment, and a high

1038
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,719
standard from its lifeguards, our pay

1039
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:30,960
should reflect that standard. We're not

1040
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:32,560
asking for special treatment. We're

1041
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,560
asking to be paid competitively for the

1042
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,560
work that we already do.

1043
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,159
Additionally, we have a form signed with

1044
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:40,159
26 current employees in favor of change

1045
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:43,040
if you guys are willing to accept. Um,

1046
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,719
we just wanted to shed some light on our

1047
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:46,400
current situation. Thanks for listening.

1048
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,400
Appreciate your time. And we got 30

1049
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,239
seconds left. I'll hand off the mic to

1050
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:51,520
lifeguard Mora.

1051
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,280
>> Thank you.

1052
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,199
>> Yeah, as you said, my name is uh Mora

1053
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:57,679
Lucas Mora. Um, I'm not going to be able

1054
01:19:57,679 --> 01:19:59,840
to finish everything I have here, but I

1055
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:00,960
just wanted to say how grateful I am

1056
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,640
that I'm able to serve this community as

1057
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,600
a lifeguard. Um, but I wanted to shed

1058
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,679
light on how we're kind of losing

1059
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:09,679
experience in our department. Usually

1060
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:11,520
our senior towers, including tower five

1061
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,520
at T Street and tower six at Linda Lane,

1062
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,360
are staffed by much older guards, such

1063
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,600
as fifth year lifeguards and above, and

1064
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,199
they have second year or third year

1065
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:21,120
lifeguards working as their secondary.

1066
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,560
However, in recent years, especially

1067
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,360
this past summer,

1068
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,080
>> wait, he he can have three minutes also,

1069
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,640
we've reset that to about 230 or

1070
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:29,280
something like that. Go ahead.

1071
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,600
Wonderful. Continue. I'm sorry. Yeah,

1072
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,760
we've had um especially in these recent

1073
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,000
years, we've had second year lifeguards

1074
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,480
working these more advanced towers.

1075
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:40,080
We've also had second years working as

1076
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,000
junior lifeguard instructors and rookies

1077
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,679
working towers that usually be staffed

1078
01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:45,600
by second and third year guards. And

1079
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:46,800
while our younger lifeguards are being

1080
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,719
held to a higher standard with far more

1081
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:50,239
responsibility, we are not being

1082
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:52,640
compensated for it. This year, as I'm

1083
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,000
still in high school, I was honored with

1084
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,199
the opportunity to work as a junior

1085
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:57,199
lifeguard instructor and work in these

1086
01:20:57,199 --> 01:20:58,560
senior towers. And I'm a secondyear

1087
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,719
lifeguard. While I'm grateful for these

1088
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:02,320
opportunities, they also show that our

1089
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:03,440
department is beginning to lose

1090
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:05,199
experience. We have declining retention

1091
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:06,640
of lifeguards, meaning that our

1092
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,000
workforce is getting younger and less

1093
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,840
experienced. Beyond that, we are simply

1094
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,679
understaffed, causing us to be able to

1095
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:14,000
be unable to open some towers on busy

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01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,840
days.

1097
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,080
Furthermore, many of our older and more

1098
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,159
experienced lifeguards have been leaving

1099
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:22,080
the department for what they often call

1100
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,480
big boy jobs because continuing to work

1101
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:25,840
for our department simply is enough to

1102
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,920
pay the bills. and then I'd like to pass

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01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,080
it off to Garnell.

1104
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,640
>> And you can start the clock again.

1105
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,159
>> Hi, my name is Nate Newell. I'm a

1106
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:36,400
secondy year lifeguard. I'm super

1107
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,120
honored to serve this community. I love

1108
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,040
uh doing what I do, working at the beach

1109
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,040
every day. I grew up here. Uh my family

1110
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,360
has lived here for a really long time.

1111
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,760
Um, this summer as a second year

1112
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,239
lifeguard, I was tasked with working

1113
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,080
tower five at T Street, one of the most

1114
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,159
senior towers as the senior guard, and

1115
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:56,480
tower six at Linda Lane as the senior

1116
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:59,280
guard. And getting put in that situation

1117
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,199
as a second year lifeguard is a super

1118
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,679
stressful situation. And it just shows

1119
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:06,159
that as a second year lifeguard, we're

1120
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:08,320
losing a lot of experience because we

1121
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:12,080
simply just don't have the money to keep

1122
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,440
lifeguards working here. Like uh guard

1123
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:18,000
Morris said, as guards get older, they

1124
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,760
need to make more money. They need to

1125
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,400
provide for themselves. And working as a

1126
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,800
lifeguard here can't properly compensate

1127
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,520
uh the cost of living. And I just wish

1128
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,199
that we could be properly compensated

1129
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:31,679
for the work that we do. And all the

1130
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:33,280
lifeguards here know firsthand that if

1131
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:34,800
we weren't on the beach, there would be

1132
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,199
drownings. Every single summer, we make

1133
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:39,679
multiple rescues and save multiple lives

1134
01:22:39,679 --> 01:22:42,000
like every day. And I just wish that we

1135
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,280
were properly compensated for the work

1136
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,360
that we do. Thank you guys.

1137
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:45,920
>> Thank you.

1138
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,840
>> Govern you guys hang for just one

1139
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,159
second. M Mr. City Manager, I know we

1140
01:22:50,159 --> 01:22:53,360
had a conversation last week and while

1141
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,600
you I don't know we have the ability

1142
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,679
today to to bring them up where they

1143
01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:59,040
need to be, we certainly need to address

1144
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,600
it. And was there some movement made in

1145
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,840
that direction? Uh

1146
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,600
>> yeah, we have some we have a meeting

1147
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:06,960
actually coming up with the lifeguard

1148
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,440
captain. I believe it might be as early

1149
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:11,199
as tomorrow. I can't I'm not sure of the

1150
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:12,320
date, but it's coming right up. we're

1151
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,320
going to be discussing this issue.

1152
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,560
>> Okay. And and yeah, especially in the

1153
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,159
light of both the Congress and the state

1154
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:20,159
legislature looking to certify

1155
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:22,960
lifeguards as first responders, we we we

1156
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,880
need to address that. We we have made

1157
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,280
some steps recently. We used to be like

1158
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:28,880
right at the top and then we went to the

1159
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,320
bottom and now we're sliding down the

1160
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:33,920
scale again and and we need to address

1161
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,000
that. I I'm speaking for myself and I

1162
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,800
know the city manager is is working on

1163
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,400
this problem. It's a problem we have to

1164
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:41,360
address.

1165
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,199
>> Mr. Mayor, I just I just want to let

1166
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,440
everyone know that this is public uh

1167
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:48,000
comment and so we're not allowed to do

1168
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,600
anything other than have a brief

1169
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,280
response and so the mayor has had a

1170
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,120
brief response and so we can't really do

1171
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:53,840
more than that.

1172
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,679
>> Well, I I would like to make even a

1173
01:23:55,679 --> 01:23:58,400
briefer response. This morning, Newsmax

1174
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,280
uh did a report on President Trump uh uh

1175
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:02,719
talking about the significance of

1176
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:04,080
lifeguards and being the first

1177
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,840
responders. You really are first

1178
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,159
responders in a critical life-saving

1179
01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:11,440
environment. And uh the the article was

1180
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:13,440
on the uh the two lifeguards in New

1181
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:14,560
Jersey that lost their life, but

1182
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,320
President Trump was saying we need to to

1183
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,159
recognize the uh significance of the

1184
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:21,040
first responders. I was honored to be on

1185
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,880
that with one of our our lifeguard

1186
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,840
personnel here in San Clementi. Uh and u

1187
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,280
we just appreciate what you guys are

1188
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,400
doing. Thank you for what you're doing.

1189
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:29,840
God bless you and uh keep up the good

1190
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:30,960
work and we'll be addressing the

1191
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,199
concerns that you just hang on just a

1192
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:35,760
little while longer. [laughter]

1193
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,280
at at the end of the meeting there's

1194
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,360
something called uh future agenda items

1195
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,679
there's some and if if you don't have to

1196
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:42,800
stay till the end of the meeting but if

1197
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,960
you want to watch something uh watch it

1198
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,719
at home and you can see if if uh we

1199
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:48,639
bring something up in regards to this.

1200
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:50,000
>> Awesome. Well, I just want to thank you

1201
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,280
guys again for your support and

1202
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:52,719
everything that you guys do. Thank you.

1203
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:55,120
>> Thanks guys.

1204
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,750
>> Okay. [applause]

1205
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:10,070
» Final speaker is Donna Dream.

1206
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,280
And do do we have any zoom in or column?

1207
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:17,510
No one. Okay. As of now,

1208
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,840
» good evening, mayor and members of city

1209
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,400
council. I'd like to speak briefly

1210
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,320
tonight about the importance of

1211
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,560
thoughtful, well-planned housing in San

1212
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,239
Clemente, particularly housing that is

1213
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:32,639
attainable for working people, young

1214
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:35,199
families, seniors, and others who are

1215
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:37,120
increasingly priced out of the

1216
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,239
communities where they live and serve

1217
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:43,120
and work. I want to give a shout out to

1218
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,840
our neighbors in San Juan Capistrano and

1219
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:49,280
their city council led by John Taylor

1220
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,320
for moving forward with the proposed 50

1221
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,440
unit affordable apartment development.

1222
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,920
The city is contributing dedicated

1223
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,719
affordable housing funds towards the

1224
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:03,600
project which is intended to provide

1225
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,639
housing opportunities for people earning

1226
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:10,480
less than $50,000 a year.

1227
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:13,520
What I what I particularly appreciate is

1228
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,120
that affordable housing does not have to

1229
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,600
mean ignoring legitimate community

1230
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,199
concerns. Parking, traffic, appropriate

1231
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:26,560
scale, design, and compatibility with

1232
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,440
surrounding neighborhoods all matter.

1233
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:31,920
Those concerns should be addressed early

1234
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,159
and thoughtfully as part of good

1235
01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:37,040
planning. We should be looking forward.

1236
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,280
We should be looking for opportunities

1237
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,920
to create housing that our workforce and

1238
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,880
families can afford while preserving the

1239
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,280
character and quality of life that make

1240
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,480
San Clemente special. San Clemente needs

1241
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:53,520
additional housing. But where we build,

1242
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,320
what we build, and how it fits into our

1243
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,880
community matter. That requires

1244
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,840
listening to residents, good planning,

1245
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,800
fiscal responsibility, and collaboration

1246
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,840
among the city, developers, community

1247
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,480
members, and our regional partners.

1248
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:12,800
Affordable housing and neighborhood

1249
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,760
compatibility should not be competing

1250
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,639
goals. With thoughtful planning, we can

1251
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:21,440
work towards both. Thank you.

1252
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:25,030
>> Thank you, Donna.

1253
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,480
» That is it for oral communications.

1254
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:31,840
Next item on the agenda is motion waving

1255
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,600
reading and full of all resolutions and

1256
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:34,480
ordinances.

1257
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:36,320
>> I'll move that have the motion by Mayor

1258
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:37,600
Prom Nobel.

1259
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,360
>> Second by council member Ammy. All in

1260
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:40,239
favor?

1261
01:27:40,239 --> 01:27:42,080
>> Pass 5-0.

1262
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,239
>> Consideration of agendaizing items

1263
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:47,840
requiring immediate action.

1264
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,719
>> Hearing none.

1265
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:52,880
>> Close session report. City attorney.

1266
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,400
>> Thank you. The council met in close

1267
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,120
session [clears throat] on items A1 and

1268
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,040
two. There's no reportable action. Thank

1269
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,280
you.

1270
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,280
>> Staff communication. City manager Hall

1271
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,560
has an update.

1272
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,000
>> Thank you, mayor and council. Just real

1273
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,239
quickly, I know that I placed in front

1274
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:10,960
of you tonight a map that indicates the

1275
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,560
jurisdictional boundaries at the south

1276
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,800
end of the community. It's very complex.

1277
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,480
We have everything from the Marine Corps

1278
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:18,960
to San Diego County Public Works, San

1279
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,639
Diego County Sheriff, Orange County

1280
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:22,639
Sheriff, City of San Clemeni, state

1281
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:24,800
parks, all in a very, very small

1282
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,840
geographic area. And so when residents

1283
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,600
identify an issue in that area, they're

1284
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,840
not always sure who to call. And so

1285
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,920
without disscent from the city council,

1286
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,520
um what I'd like to do is take the map

1287
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:36,880
that's been distributed to the city

1288
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,880
council, put it up on the web page so

1289
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,800
that people will have some contact

1290
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,040
numbers for that area of the community.

1291
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,120
Um, so I just wanted to pass that along.

1292
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:46,560
If there's no concerns of the city

1293
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,840
council, I think it'd be beneficial for members of the community to be able

1294
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:51,840
to have this contact and a map because

1295
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:52,560
it's very

1296
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:53,840
>> Yeah. Just for clarification since

1297
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,520
there's no slide that we're talking

1298
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,159
about the area like south of Carl's Jr.

1299
01:28:58,159 --> 01:29:00,639
down there in that area where we we

1300
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:03,040
share a street with state parks and the

1301
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,199
Marines and Calrans and there's been

1302
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:07,679
some who who really has enforcement

1303
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:09,120
ability. So you've clarified it. And

1304
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,960
also on this map there's phone numbers

1305
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,440
for the residents to call if they have

1306
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:15,120
whatever issues they have. They have a

1307
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:16,800
actually a contact number to come to

1308
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,080
address that. So that's going to go up

1309
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:19,679
on the city website is what you're

1310
01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:20,080
planning.

1311
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:21,120
>> That's correct. And there's some copies

1312
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,159
of the map in the back. So

1313
01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:23,679
>> any dissension done?

1314
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:25,280
>> No, not at all. I just have a question.

1315
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:25,679
Oh, sure.

1316
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:28,159
>> Uh has there been any talk with San

1317
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:30,560
Diego County at all of of a possibility

1318
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,120
of just moving that yellow line to the

1319
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,840
other side of the road? Yeah, I think I

1320
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,520
think the complex part of that is that

1321
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,080
everything on the

1322
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:41,920
south side, if you will, of the red line

1323
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:43,600
is actually part of Camp Pendleton. Some

1324
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:48,560
of it is leased to the state parks and or San Diego County Public Works has

1325
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,400
agreed to maintain some of the roadways,

1326
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,040
but it's all federal land. And so moving

1327
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,760
the boundaries on federal land is very

1328
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,600
complicated. So what we're trying to do

1329
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,600
is make sure that that we understand

1330
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:00,880
everybody's jurisdictional

1331
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,199
responsibility so that we know the right

1332
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:04,560
people to respond that have the

1333
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,320
authority to to take care of the issues

1334
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:07,840
that might arise in that area.

1335
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:08,320
>> Okay.

1336
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,760
>> Thank you Andy. um very mining comment

1337
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,920
and first of all the you listed

1338
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:18,320
California CL trains um when we actually

1339
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,400
published it I I think we need to let

1340
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,320
the the let the public understand that

1341
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,199
not all encampment needs to be reported

1342
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:28,719
to Cal trains.

1343
01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:29,199
>> That's correct.

1344
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:32,000
>> Uh if it's only if only for those within

1345
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,760
the CAL trains.

1346
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,600
>> Thank you. Great suggestion. We'll we'll

1347
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,440
further we'll further clarify what is

1348
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:39,280
Calrans property that's not clearly

1349
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:40,320
identified like some of the rest.

1350
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:41,760
>> And I also want to take this uh

1351
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,760
opportunity to let the public know that

1352
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,480
the county of San Diego has been very

1353
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:49,120
responsive to our request. They've sent

1354
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:53,120
a public works uh staff here to re uh to

1355
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:54,639
reinstall

1356
01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:57,199
parking permits and clean up the their

1357
01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:58,719
properties and do their maintenance

1358
01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:03,280
work. And they also suggested that their

1359
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,120
county San Diego County sheriff will

1360
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:09,760
have some night patrol in this area. So

1361
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,320
that's that's in the intergovernmental

1362
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,719
cooper cooperation

1363
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:16,960
by large part depends on their

1364
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,800
cooperation and sometime goodwill. So um

1365
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,040
if there's any chance our our residents

1366
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,719
can appreciate their effort that will

1367
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:26,480
help the situation. Great. Thank you.

1368
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:28,400
>> Yeah. May Mr. Mayor. Yeah. We created

1369
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,080
these maps a couple of years ago and

1370
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:32,159
they've changed in in in in the period

1371
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:34,960
of two years. Uh they've changed

1372
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,960
significantly at at one point in time. A

1373
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:42,400
lot of this land that is now uh uh

1374
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,560
now no longer state parks is now the

1375
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,719
Marine Corps uh land. and the Marine

1376
01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:50,880
Corps will do a much better job than uh

1377
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,520
the than the county of San Diego in

1378
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,960
enforcing they as I understand uh you

1379
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,639
know they they they're less tolerant

1380
01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:02,159
than the San Diego uh uh sheriff. So a

1381
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:05,280
lot of this is has changed. We we went

1382
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,480
out there u with Lori Davies a couple of

1383
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:11,040
years ago and and many other of the

1384
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,199
principles and drew up these these

1385
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:14,800
original maps that have now been

1386
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:16,960
modified. But a lot's getting done out

1387
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:18,560
there. I, as I mentioned in my earlier

1388
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,159
report, I went out there with many of

1389
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:21,920
the residents that are complaining about

1390
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,960
this. Walked the area, identified the

1391
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,400
areas where residents were parking and

1392
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:32,080
well actually mostly uh tourists were

1393
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,440
parking and uh it's uh it it's it will

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01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:39,679
be addressed uh over the next few weeks.

1395
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:41,360
>> Is anyone opposed to the city manager

1396
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:42,719
taking action of putting this on the

1397
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:49,750
website? Seeing nobody opposed.

1398
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,400
» Okay, we ready for the next item? Um,

1399
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:53,920
next item on the agenda is public

1400
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,440
hearing. The public hearing process

1401
01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:57,120
includes a staff presentation. A

1402
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:58,719
presentation by the applicant not to

1403
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:01,199
exceed 10 minutes and public testimony

1404
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:03,199
not to exceed 3 minutes per person.

1405
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:04,560
Following closure of the public hearing,

1406
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,239
the city council will respond to

1407
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:08,080
questions raised during the hearing,

1408
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:09,760
discuss the issues, and act upon the

1409
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,080
matter by motion. And the first public

1410
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,920
hearing we have is appeal of the denial

1411
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:15,920
of an administrative encroachment permit

1412
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,080
for a wall in the right ofway located at

1413
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,719
1202 Avanita de la Estustrala and

1414
01:33:20,719 --> 01:33:22,080
findings under the California

1415
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,600
Environmental Equality Act. And we have

1416
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,360
staff here to present. Okay.

1417
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:26,880
>> We'll open the public hearing and I'll

1418
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,480
ask any of my fellow council members if

1419
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:31,040
they have any exparte disclosures to

1420
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,679
make. I'll make one. The attorney for

1421
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:36,960
the uh for the appellet is uh I have

1422
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:38,719
I've known him socially for a while.

1423
01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:40,239
Spencer Snider note him through the

1424
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:43,440
Chamber of Commerce and and had numerous

1425
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:45,199
contacts with him through the chamber.

1426
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:47,520
Uh would not make me any way not to be

1427
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,000
fair and impartial on this matter.

1428
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,920
>> But we we've had this matter before and

1429
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:53,840
he's come and presented to us. So

1430
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,360
>> yeah, I was I was fair and impartial

1431
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:56,080
that time, too.

1432
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,760
>> You were too. You were. He asked for a

1433
01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,440
continuence and we gave him one. So

1434
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:01,840
>> absolutely. So [snorts] also there any

1435
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:03,440
communications that have come in after

1436
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:05,600
this item was agendaized?

1437
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,840
We did receive a communication from the

1438
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,080
attorney and I um it's in the back of

1439
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,840
the council chambers. It's on the city

1440
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,040
website and it was sent to city council.

1441
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,239
>> Okay. And uh with with that I guess

1442
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:21,520
staff, are you you prepared, Zach, to go

1443
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:22,719
right ahead with this?

1444
01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:25,199
>> Yes, sir. Uh Zach Ponson, assistant city

1445
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:27,120
engineer. Um tonight in front of you, we

1446
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:28,880
have the continuation of an item that

1447
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,199
was um brought to you u the second

1448
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:33,920
meeting of June. Uh just for a real

1449
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,120
quick um background, this was a uh the

1450
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,000
property owner's deni um appeal of a

1451
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,080
denial to keep a wall in the public

1452
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,760
rideway. Um my presentation is basically

1453
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:47,360
the same, but there's a couple things I

1454
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:48,960
did want to bring up that we didn't

1455
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,360
bring up before. This property owner did

1456
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:52,960
not do the recent construction

1457
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,440
modifications to this wall. Uh that was

1458
01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:58,560
a previous property owner that was um a

1459
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,080
short owner of the property, did some

1460
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,080
remodel and and sold it to this property

1461
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,320
owner. This property owner was aware of

1462
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,320
the code case violation prior to

1463
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,320
purchasing it. We were in contact with

1464
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:09,920
them and and discussing some of the

1465
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,480
issues with the law. But with that, I

1466
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:14,719
had one slide that we didn't get to last

1467
01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:17,120
time that just discusses the um the line

1468
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,280
of sight standard at the Orange County

1469
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,719
uh standard 1117. So, if Dave can, it's

1470
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:24,560
kind of at the end of our slide, so he's

1471
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,000
going to kind of zip through a few.

1472
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,600
>> Can you help us get to the last slide?

1473
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:33,430
>> Yes.

1474
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:34,159
» Oh, that was it.

1475
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:36,400
>> Yeah. So, what this slide showing is

1476
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,960
actual a cut and paste of the the county

1477
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,199
standards. So, the the dark area is

1478
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:43,600
what's shown as a limited light sight

1479
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,520
line of sight triangles. So, when you're

1480
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,199
coming out of a side street, you stand

1481
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:49,520
back 10 ft. you look down a certain

1482
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,440
distance down these streets. And so

1483
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:53,679
we've done this analysis uh during our

1484
01:35:53,679 --> 01:35:57,360
initial investigation. Um the for a

1485
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:59,120
street like this, ideally you want to

1486
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,600
see about 280 ft down that street when

1487
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,000
you're seeing cars come out um at a

1488
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:08,719
height of about 3 and 1/2 ft from the viewer's eyes on a normal car. Uh

1489
01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:10,320
right now with the wall out there, we

1490
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:11,760
believe the line of sight's close to

1491
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:15,199
about 150 linear feet. Uh removing the

1492
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:17,280
wall gets us actually close back to that

1493
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,239
280 ft. Uh parking is allowed on

1494
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:23,040
streets, but we and the county does not

1495
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,120
take parking into consideration. There

1496
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,000
is a recent state law modification that

1497
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,000
now prohibits parking close to

1498
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,080
intersections that would actually kind

1499
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,400
of negate any of those issues if there's

1500
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,880
a car on there. Uh with that, staff's

1501
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:38,239
available for questions.

1502
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:39,600
>> Any any questions to staff?

1503
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,760
>> I have one quick question. The uh you

1504
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:42,800
mentioned the [snorts] removal of the

1505
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,880
wall gets you back to the line of sight

1506
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:46,719
about 260. Is that the complete removal

1507
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:48,239
of the wall or just reducing it to the

1508
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:49,600
3ft level where it was before?

1509
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,119
>> In our staff report, we had a lot of

1510
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:52,800
discussion. Removing the wall down to

1511
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,600
about 30 36 in should give us back to

1512
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,360
that 280 ft.

1513
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:58,480
>> Thank you.

1514
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:00,320
>> The 180 you say, not the two.

1515
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,080
>> We would actually get back to the 280.

1516
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:03,040
>> Okay. Thank

1517
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,719
>> y

1518
01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:07,119
I have a quick question. I I notic on

1519
01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:08,639
the in the photos that going out looking

1520
01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:10,320
at Oh, I'm sorry. going out looking at

1521
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,440
the property. Uh the stop sign actually

1522
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:16,159
seems to be in an orordinate distance

1523
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:22,639
back from the actual limit line. Uh is there a reason for that which makes

1524
01:37:22,639 --> 01:37:25,040
cars stop where they can't definitely

1525
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,280
can't see back and and then they have to

1526
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,119
pull up into the limit line to actually

1527
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:31,600
look. Is there any reason why that stop

1528
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,440
sign because the street sign is about

1529
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:35,600
where it looks like the stop sign should

1530
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:37,440
be. Is there any reason why that stop

1531
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,040
sign couldn't be pushed farther towards

1532
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:39,840
the street?

1533
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,600
>> We we can definitely look into it. We

1534
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:42,800
might actually have a picture of it in

1535
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,239
one of the slides if you wanted to see

1536
01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:47,440
it. But um ultimately what we have on a

1537
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:48,880
lot of cross streets in town, especially

1538
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,119
on El Camino Rale, the stop sign itself

1539
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:53,920
and the stop bar is often further back

1540
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,159
in anticipation for pedestrian crossings

1541
01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:58,560
and the access ramps. So, what we tell

1542
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,400
people all the time is you often can't

1543
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,960
see from the stop sign itself, but your

1544
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,960
design is to stop at the stop sign, look

1545
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,280
for pedestrians first, and then inch out

1546
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,119
into intersections. So, we have this

1547
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:10,800
conversation quite a bit regarding all

1548
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:12,719
the streets along El Camino Rail.

1549
01:38:12,719 --> 01:38:14,560
>> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions of

1550
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,239
staff?

1551
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:18,159
>> Okay, I guess it's time for the

1552
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:21,040
appelllet to step on up.

1553
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:24,320
>> Spencer Schneider.

1554
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,080
>> Thank you. My name is Spencer Schneider.

1555
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,239
I'm here on behalf of Mr. Dan Roberts.

1556
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:31,840
He is the homeowner of 1202 Avenue de la

1557
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,440
Estraa.

1558
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:35,520
What we are asking for today is the

1559
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:36,960
reversal of that denial of the

1560
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,880
administrative encroachment permit. But

1561
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,880
really what that entails is confirmation

1562
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,040
that the wall can remain in its current

1563
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,360
place at its current height that it has

1564
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,639
been in since the 1960s.

1565
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:50,960
The wall's height, the position, and the

1566
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,040
footprint haven't been changed. The

1567
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:54,800
updates which were done by the prior

1568
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,159
owner were entirely cosmetic where the

1569
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:01,679
bars in between the posts were just

1570
01:39:01,679 --> 01:39:05,360
turned into a solid base there.

1571
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:08,159
And sorry, can we go to the next slide?

1572
01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:12,400
I think we're on slide three now.

1573
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:19,189
Um, one more.

1574
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:20,880
So, a significant part of the city's

1575
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,119
denial focuses on the reduced sight

1576
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:25,199
distance and the increased risk caused

1577
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:28,000
by this reduced sight distance, but

1578
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:29,760
there's no evidence of the reduced sight

1579
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,000
distance or increased risk. Today was

1580
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:33,600
the first time we've seen this

1581
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,000
engineering or sight distance study. um

1582
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,040
it wasn't in the denial record, but the

1583
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,040
city has also said that the original

1584
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,600
wall before the modification

1585
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,480
was also blocking the site distance.

1586
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:48,080
It's been up for over 60 years, and

1587
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,679
there's only been one complaint about

1588
01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:53,360
this wall. It was fairly recent. The

1589
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,040
city also hasn't identified any

1590
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,159
accidents, either auto or pedestrian, at

1591
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:00,400
this intersection, besides one DUI that

1592
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,080
occurred a number of years ago at this

1593
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,960
intersection. So claiming that there's a

1594
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,360
reduced sight line that in increases

1595
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,080
risk is simply unsupported by the

1596
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:11,840
traffic and accident data at this

1597
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,080
intersection. And just the assertion

1598
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,760
that safety is reduced isn't doesn't

1599
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,600
support the removal of a 60-year-old

1600
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:23,669
structure.

1601
01:40:23,679 --> 01:40:26,639
Can we go to the next slide, please? As

1602
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:29,679
a council can see, parked cars do reduce

1603
01:40:29,679 --> 01:40:32,719
the sight line here. And the blockage is

1604
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:34,960
from the cars. It's not the wall. Even

1605
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,360
with the removal of the wall, vehicles

1606
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,000
parked there, even far back from the

1607
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,480
intersection, are blocking the line of

1608
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:44,560
sight. Can we please go to the next

1609
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,239
slide?

1610
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:48,320
If the city has remaining concerns, a

1611
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,639
convex mirror can be installed on this

1612
01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:52,880
intersection, and Mr. Roberts is willing

1613
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,280
to install that mirror to actually

1614
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:58,080
address some of the sighteline concerns.

1615
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:01,199
Can we go to the next slide, please?

1616
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:03,119
There's also similar walls at this

1617
01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:04,639
intersection and throughout the

1618
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:07,520
neighborhood of equal or greater height,

1619
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,280
and enforcement against this property

1620
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,840
alone would just be inequitable. Can we

1621
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,719
go to the next slide, please?

1622
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:16,960
Addressing. I know the council had some

1623
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,199
concerns last time we spoke about

1624
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:21,520
compliant sidewalks along the rest of

1625
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,239
the block. Um it was represented that

1626
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:25,920
the existing sidewalk on the rest of the

1627
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:28,320
block is largely compliant. But as the

1628
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,560
council can see all along the block,

1629
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,960
this walkway stops, it starts, it's

1630
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:35,360
blocked. Um it's non-existent in some

1631
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,520
places as landscaping or walls come all

1632
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,080
the way to the street. It also has

1633
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,080
mailboxes, trees planted in the

1634
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,880
sidewalk. So changing this one property

1635
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:47,119
and this one wall is not going to create

1636
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:48,880
a compliant path of travel for the

1637
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,960
block. Can we go to the next slide

1638
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,880
please?

1639
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,400
Addressing the drainage and lights

1640
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:56,400
raised by those concerns that were

1641
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,880
raised by the city. The drain holes on

1642
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,199
the wall face have now been closed so

1643
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:03,199
nothing discharges onto the walkway any

1644
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:05,679
longer. And the lights can also be

1645
01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:07,360
removed. Mr. Roberts is willing to take

1646
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,119
those down if that's what the city

1647
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:11,520
wishes. Can we go to the next slide,

1648
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,679
please? One of the city's proposed

1649
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:16,000
solutions was complete removal of the

1650
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,440
wall and grading into a slope. As the

1651
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:21,440
council can see from this rendering,

1652
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,520
that's completely untenable. This would

1653
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,080
be a steep drop off to the sidewalk.

1654
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,320
It'd be about 45°

1655
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,080
and this would create runoff and

1656
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:31,760
drainage problems, which the city has

1657
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,400
also already expressed concerns about.

1658
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,239
And as the city can see from this

1659
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:39,360
rendering, cars parked along this street

1660
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:40,960
would still be blocking the line of

1661
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:42,239
sight.

1662
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:44,880
Can we go to the next slide, please?

1663
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:46,800
Finally, the wall's a safety feature for

1664
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,960
Mr. Roberts and his family. It's the

1665
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,199
only barrier between an elevated yard

1666
01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:53,119
and a drop to the public street corner.

1667
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:55,040
Mr. Roberts has a 7-year-old child that

1668
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,679
uses the yard daily, and removal or even

1669
01:42:57,679 --> 01:42:59,360
reduction of the wall creates a new

1670
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,840
hazard. It's also a privacy barrier,

1671
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:04,480
preventing direct line of sight from the

1672
01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:06,639
street or the sidewalk into Mr. Robert's

1673
01:43:06,639 --> 01:43:09,679
yard or house. There is an individual

1674
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:11,360
living in his vehicle in front of Mr.

1675
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:12,800
Robert's property, which makes this

1676
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:16,719
privacy um point especially salient. Can

1677
01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:18,960
we go to the next slide, please? Mr.

1678
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,000
Roberts has gathered over 124 signatures

1679
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:23,679
supporting that the wall remain in its

1680
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:25,440
place. These are his neighbors. These

1681
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:27,280
are constituents that have signed the

1682
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:29,679
petition stating that they support the

1683
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:31,440
wall in its current location, at its

1684
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:33,040
current height, that they don't believe

1685
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,040
it creates a safety hazard, and that

1686
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:36,719
they don't want the city coming to

1687
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:39,360
homeowners based on a single complaint

1688
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,480
and forcing them to undergo costly and

1689
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:44,800
expensive and extensive construction

1690
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,040
projects, especially to long-standing

1691
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:48,560
structures, and especially when there

1692
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,679
has been no proven safety risk. I just

1693
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:53,280
want to reiterate what we're asking for

1694
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,920
here, just that Mr. Robert's wall is um

1695
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,080
able to remain where it is at its

1696
01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:59,520
current height and the height that it's

1697
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:00,560
been in since the Eisenhower

1698
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,040
administration. Thank you for your time.

1699
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,040
>> Thank you, sir. We have any public

1700
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:06,480
comments?

1701
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:09,199
>> We do. I'll call the first few speakers.

1702
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:12,400
Lynn Bronco, followed by Diana Lansen,

1703
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,920
followed by John Lanston.

1704
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:18,560
Lynn.

1705
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,159
Uh good afternoon, council. My name is

1706
01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:23,520
Len Brango. Um, [clears throat]

1707
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:27,199
I'm a home owner there on La Placentia

1708
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:29,360
and I've been here the last time and

1709
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,840
explained to you guys that I've lived

1710
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,480
there for 40 years.

1711
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:35,360
There's never [clears throat] been a

1712
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,199
problem with that wall until it got

1713
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:38,719
modified.

1714
01:44:38,719 --> 01:44:40,719
And since that wall's been modified,

1715
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:42,560
there's been situations that we've had

1716
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:46,639
with me personally in my own car. So, a

1717
01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:48,159
lot of these things that these guys are

1718
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:50,159
saying, the wall's been there for 50

1719
01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:52,080
years. That's correct. But when they

1720
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:53,440
modified it, that's when we had the

1721
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:56,080
issues. We didn't have any issues prior

1722
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:57,760
to the wall being modified because you

1723
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,119
could see the line of sight just like

1724
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:01,360
the engineer stated. There wasn't a

1725
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:03,440
problem. But once you modify the wall,

1726
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:05,679
you cannot see. You have to pull out

1727
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:08,639
past almost into the oncoming traffic to

1728
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:10,800
actually [clears throat] excuse me to

1729
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,800
see any traffic coming at you. And in

1730
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:14,719
the morning, you know, sometimes when

1731
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:16,719
it's kind of like dusk, it's hard to

1732
01:45:16,719 --> 01:45:18,480
see. There's a little dip there to the

1733
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:22,000
left. And sometimes you what what I'm

1734
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,320
what I do is I come out, I'm looking

1735
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,320
right because I got to sneak out and I

1736
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:27,679
don't see anybody in the dip. Next thing

1737
01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:33,040
you know, I got a car, you know, right next to me. So the wall

1738
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:36,080
modification has created a a line of

1739
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:41,920
sight issue. So it is dangerous the in its current state. It wasn't when the

1740
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,719
wall was in the normal state prior to

1741
01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:46,880
his ownership, but when the wall was

1742
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:49,360
modified, it has created an issue for

1743
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:52,320
line of sight. We and I personally have

1744
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:55,199
had some issues, not any accidents, so

1745
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:57,040
that you know, like the attorney said,

1746
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:58,719
there's nothing reported, but I'm

1747
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:00,400
telling you, it's going to it's just a

1748
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,159
matter of time before it happens. The

1749
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:03,920
homeowner's only been there for a year,

1750
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,280
so I don't know that he's experienced

1751
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,440
any real [clears throat] real

1752
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:10,719
situations. Number one. Number two, the

1753
01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:13,280
signatures that he's got on the on on

1754
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:15,280
the petition. I mean, I don't even know

1755
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,600
if anybody all these people are are, you

1756
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:21,280
know, have licenses to drive or if they

1757
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,199
even live there. I live there. I've been

1758
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:24,960
there for a long time. So, I I'm

1759
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:27,040
experiencing this every day. So, the

1760
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,520
wall is a is a problem [clears throat]

1761
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,840
in its current state. I don't think you

1762
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,000
have to take the whole wall down, but I

1763
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,320
think if it was back to where it

1764
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,880
initially was, it would be it would be

1765
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,000
fine. Thank you.

1766
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:45,109
>> Thank you, sir.

1767
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:47,760
» Diana Lansen, followed by John Lansen,

1768
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:54,629
followed by Dylan Odbert.

1769
01:46:54,639 --> 01:46:56,800
Got my clock going. Hi, I'm Diana

1770
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,119
Lansen. I actually live next door to the

1771
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:01,360
wall. Um, I enjoy and respect all of my

1772
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:03,040
neighbors, so I appreciate their point

1773
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,760
of view as well. Um, I just think that

1774
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,679
we are addressing a symptom of the

1775
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:09,440
problem at the intersection and not the

1776
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:13,040
actual root cause. The wall

1777
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:14,960
does not create a line of sight issue

1778
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,119
for me. I'd like to say that traffic

1779
01:47:17,119 --> 01:47:19,360
cars have two other exit points out of

1780
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:21,280
our neighborhood. So, there are multiple

1781
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:22,880
options. If you are not comfortable with

1782
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:24,560
the line of sight, there are two other

1783
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,560
entry and exit points. There are no

1784
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,239
crosswalks. There are no usable

1785
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:30,560
sidewalks. I am a mom. My kids go to Los

1786
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:32,560
Palmus and also the Boys and Girls Club.

1787
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:34,719
They cannot walk home. They cannot from

1788
01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:36,960
either location because the whole street

1789
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:39,360
has no safe crossing point for children

1790
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:41,600
or our community. The wall is not

1791
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:43,760
causing a problem there. The wall is

1792
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,600
actually providing some protection for

1793
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:46,880
our children when they stand on the

1794
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:48,560
curb. At least there is a significant

1795
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,800
barrier there for them. The real issue

1796
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,639
is the line of sight issue created by

1797
01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:54,239
other cars, which I guess the city

1798
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:57,040
doesn't have a solution for quite yet. I

1799
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:59,119
don't see any red curb. No matter how

1800
01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:00,960
far you pull up, you saw where the stop

1801
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:02,719
sign is, you've seen the visuals. No

1802
01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:04,639
matter how far you pull up, you cannot

1803
01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:06,719
see if anyone is coming when there is

1804
01:48:06,719 --> 01:48:09,119
any car parked in front of Dan's house.

1805
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:11,119
So, if we are not going to address the

1806
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:12,800
actual root cause of the problem, I

1807
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:14,560
don't think we penalize our neighbor who

1808
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,800
did not construct the wall. And yes, he

1809
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:18,320
does need the wall for safety because

1810
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:21,360
I'm pretty sure the 10 um vagrants or

1811
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:23,520
unhoused that the sheriff was referring

1812
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,080
to live in their cars in front of our

1813
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,400
houses. So, I also can't allow my kids

1814
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:30,000
to walk because we've allowed someone to

1815
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,159
live. There is literally an SUV that

1816
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:34,239
lives full-time in front of Dan's house

1817
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:36,159
and he has a 7-year-old daughter and I

1818
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:37,920
have children. And so, we've allowed

1819
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:39,920
this person, there are multiple, it's

1820
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:41,440
not just one car, there are multiple

1821
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:43,280
cars on our street. The reason the

1822
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,119
original homeowners that built the wall

1823
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:47,520
put the wall there who also we talked to

1824
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:48,800
because they were my neighbors is

1825
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:50,560
because they felt unsafe. They also had

1826
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,520
small children and the city has allowed

1827
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,040
numerous people to live in their

1828
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,480
vehicles right in front of our

1829
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:59,119
neighborhood. And so we should afford

1830
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:01,520
our neighbor some protection and until

1831
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:03,280
we address that we shouldn't ask him to

1832
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,040
take down the wall. So I would just say

1833
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:06,960
if we're going to ask our neighbor to

1834
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:09,840
remove a wall at great expense I

1835
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:11,920
understand the need for permits. I think

1836
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:13,760
there is a good solution in the interim

1837
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:15,679
until we address all of the root causes

1838
01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:18,719
that being getting rid of the the people

1839
01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:20,239
that are allowed to live in their homes.

1840
01:49:20,239 --> 01:49:22,960
I'm using drugs, going to the restroom

1841
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,360
out all hours of the night right in

1842
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,000
front of his front door. We're doing

1843
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:29,840
nothing as a city to address that. We

1844
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,600
have begged the city for any kind of

1845
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:33,280
traffic control. Our children cannot

1846
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:34,800
cross the road there. There is nowhere

1847
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:36,880
safe for them. The cars can go to two

1848
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:38,480
different entry and exit points in our

1849
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:39,760
neighborhood if they need clear

1850
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,000
visibility to leave the street. But so

1851
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,360
far, we haven't addressed any of the

1852
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:44,960
concerns for the pedestrian traffic and

1853
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,280
our children. So, I would ask that we go

1854
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,360
with a temporary solution of a mirror

1855
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:51,119
that provides visibility both around

1856
01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:53,040
cars and the wall.

1857
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,271
>> Thank you, Diana.

1858
01:49:55,271 --> 01:49:56,400
[applause]

1859
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,880
>> John Lansen,

1860
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:02,080
followed by Dylan Odvert.

1861
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,400
>> Uh, thank you, Council. Um, and I'll

1862
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,000
probably reiterate a few things that

1863
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,400
Diana, uh, my beautiful wife just, uh,

1864
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,960
said. Um, but the main thing is we've

1865
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,119
lived there for about 7 years, and that

1866
01:50:13,119 --> 01:50:15,920
wall has not changed height or anything.

1867
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,239
Um, even during Halloween there was

1868
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:19,840
times, everybody says we can see through

1869
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,400
the gate. Well, during Halloween, they

1870
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,320
would put up little ghost things that

1871
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,320
would keep you from seeing through that.

1872
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,159
And it was also, we talked to those

1873
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:30,239
neighbors and they wanted that wall.

1874
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:31,760
They love that wall because they had

1875
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:33,520
young kids.

1876
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,760
um to protect them. It was the only

1877
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:37,840
barrier uh for people not just walking

1878
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:39,760
right in their homes. And honestly, as

1879
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,560
you can see with all the uh pictures and

1880
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:44,639
everything, you have to pull up past

1881
01:50:44,639 --> 01:50:46,639
that stop sign at least 10 ft. And if

1882
01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:48,639
you stop your car at the front of the

1883
01:50:48,639 --> 01:50:50,880
line, there is nothing that you can see.

1884
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:54,639
And if there's one car right there, should be a red line that's going

1885
01:50:54,639 --> 01:50:57,280
down for at least two cars. Everybody

1886
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:00,000
has to pull all the way out. The sign is

1887
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,719
here, back here, and there's a car here.

1888
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:05,199
You can't see anything. And we have

1889
01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:06,719
kids. We've asked the city multiple

1890
01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:08,560
times to put a crosswalk in because we

1891
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,400
go to Bonita Canyon Park, which is right

1892
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:12,560
across the street. Beautiful park that

1893
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,480
the city maintains. That's where we're

1894
01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:17,040
at 5 days a week. Okay. So, we have our

1895
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,679
kids crossing this 20 times at least a

1896
01:51:19,679 --> 01:51:21,440
week, I would say. We have dogs that

1897
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:22,560
we're walking in the park and

1898
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,800
everything. And literally, if there's a

1899
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,040
car there, we have to have them cross

1900
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,760
the street, which is also a blind curve,

1901
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:31,840
to uh the other side of the street to

1902
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:34,639
get max viewing of coming down here. And

1903
01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:37,119
Lynn is correct. There's a dip on the on

1904
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:38,480
the if you're looking to the left,

1905
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:40,880
there's a dip. I tell my kids, wait.

1906
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:42,560
You're going to look both sides, you're

1907
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:44,880
going to look past the cars, and you're

1908
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:46,159
going to wait because there's always a

1909
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:48,639
car in that dip. If it's a low riding

1910
01:51:48,639 --> 01:51:51,679
car, for some reason, we always wait.

1911
01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:54,000
And then here comes a car at 40 45 miles

1912
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,639
an hour. And we have seven year old like

1913
01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:58,560
four to 10 year old kids that don't have

1914
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,040
fully formed brains and everything. So

1915
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,599
we are telling them you have to wait for

1916
01:52:03,599 --> 01:52:05,679
this. Okay. But the main thing is if

1917
01:52:05,679 --> 01:52:07,599
you're out all the way to the stop sign

1918
01:52:07,599 --> 01:52:10,080
there, the wall has nothing to do with

1919
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:11,760
it. Uh you can't see because you're

1920
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,480
already too far back. Uh you have to go

1921
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:16,400
out. I would say the back of your car

1922
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,480
has to be on that on the on the white

1923
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:21,040
line to see. And that has no And now

1924
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:24,000
we're 10 feet past the wall. Okay. It's

1925
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,320
if there's a if there's a car parked 20

1926
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:29,280
feet down the way, we still can't see uh

1927
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,162
anything that's coming from that way.

1928
01:52:31,162 --> 01:52:33,760
[snorts] So, um and I don't think that

1929
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,320
he needs to be penalized because it will

1930
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:38,400
cost six figures for him to fix this

1931
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,320
wall at least. Uh I put in a small

1932
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:42,560
retention wall few years ago with the

1933
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:43,760
city. It went through the whole

1934
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:46,000
ordinance thing and every and it was $50

1935
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:49,040
$60,000 for a wall that would be a tenth

1936
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:50,400
of what he's going to have to do cuz he

1937
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:51,920
would have to tear it down. And for his

1938
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:53,199
family's protection, he's going to have

1939
01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:55,440
to put up another smaller wall, a

1940
01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:57,199
retaining wall to keep uh everything

1941
01:52:57,199 --> 01:53:00,560
from running down. Um so I don't think

1942
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:02,080
that we need to change the wall. It's

1943
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,440
always been that way. So,

1944
01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:04,239
>> thank you, John.

1945
01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:07,040
>> Thank you,

1946
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:18,470
>> Dylan Odd.

1947
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:20,480
Thank you, council. I'm a long-standing

1948
01:53:20,480 --> 01:53:22,320
resident in the neighborhood of the

1949
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:23,920
retaining wall that is under discussion

1950
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:26,000
this evening, and I support improving

1951
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,679
safety in our street, but the corner

1952
01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:30,000
wall is not the source of danger. It has

1953
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,920
been a place, it has been in place for

1954
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:34,080
decades without creating a safety a

1955
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,639
safety problem. The real safety concern

1956
01:53:36,639 --> 01:53:38,880
is speeding and unsafe driving on

1957
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,719
Australia near the crossing used by

1958
01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:43,199
children walking to our park. Our

1959
01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:44,880
neighborhood has many children under the

1960
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:46,719
age of 10, making traffic calming

1961
01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:49,599
especially important. The city surveyed

1962
01:53:49,599 --> 01:53:52,960
this street 3 years ago in uh 2023 and

1963
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,199
somehow decided against stop signs or

1964
01:53:55,199 --> 01:53:57,679
speed bumps. Neighbors were told there

1965
01:53:57,679 --> 01:53:59,199
weren't enough incidents to warrant

1966
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:01,920
action. Removing a long-standing wall

1967
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:03,679
will not address speeding or protect our

1968
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:06,239
children crossing the street.

1969
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:08,080
Please leave the wall in place which has

1970
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:09,599
been there for decades and instead

1971
01:54:09,599 --> 01:54:11,599
considered measures that will directly

1972
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:13,520
address the danger to our neighborhood

1973
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:15,520
such as speed bumps, stop signs or

1974
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,639
marked or marked crosswalks. Please

1975
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:20,800
focus city resources on actual safety

1976
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,280
the actual safety threat. unsafe unsafe

1977
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:24,960
driving on Australia. Protecting

1978
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:26,800
children who cross the street should

1979
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:28,639
take priority over removing a wall that

1980
01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:31,840
has existed for over for a decade. Thank

1981
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:32,159
you.

1982
01:54:32,159 --> 01:54:37,669
>> Thank you, Dylan.

1983
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:39,199
» That's it for speakers.

1984
01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:42,560
>> Okay. So, I I guess the uh appellet has

1985
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:45,360
five minutes. He can rebut whatever

1986
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:51,990
issues they've heard.

1987
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,480
I don't need the full five minutes. Just

1988
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,520
we'll briefly reiterate it. I think the

1989
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:00,400
neighborhood spoken. The petition speaks

1990
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:02,560
for itself. There's addresses on the

1991
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,320
petition as well. But the neighborhood

1992
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,320
doesn't feel like this is a safety

1993
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:08,560
concern. The data doesn't support this

1994
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:11,040
being a safety concern, and the city

1995
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:12,880
doesn't have to do anything except let

1996
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,360
Mr. Roberts keep the wall where it's

1997
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,080
been for decades. Thank you. Yeah. Thank

1998
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:20,159
you, sir. Do we have any questions of

1999
01:55:20,159 --> 01:55:21,679
staff before the public hearing's

2000
01:55:21,679 --> 01:55:22,320
closed?

2001
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,239
>> Can we take a break?

2002
01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:27,280
>> Oh, okay. What? So, the council, can we

2003
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:28,239
take a fivem minute break?

2004
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:28,719
>> Sure.

2005
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:30,000
>> You don't want to do questions of staff

2006
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:30,400
first?

2007
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:31,920
>> Well, I I think we want to take a fivem

2008
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,000
minute break first before we break those

2009
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,239
up. So, we'll we'll recess for five

2010
01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:38,080
minutes. And I can't see the clock.

2011
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,960
We'll come back at like 8.

2012
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:41,920
At what time?

2013
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:42,560
>> 6:45.

2014
01:55:42,560 --> 02:01:15,750
>> It's so at 6:50. Okay.

2015
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:17,440
Well,

2016
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:22,470
we're going to go back in session.

2017
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:25,199
So, I I I know Mark will be here in a

2018
02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:26,639
second, I'm sure, and he had a question.

2019
02:01:26,639 --> 02:01:28,400
Are there any other questions of staff

2020
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:31,119
while we're while we're waiting?

2021
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:34,080
I I I'll I'll ask one to kill some time.

2022
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:35,679
So, you know, we talked about a

2023
02:01:35,679 --> 02:01:37,280
crosswalk, you know, or that was

2024
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:39,199
mentioned about a a crosswalk, and I

2025
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:41,520
went out there and was and was looking

2026
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:44,239
crosswalks would be it it might be

2027
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:45,599
interesting. I I don't know, but isn't

2028
02:01:45,599 --> 02:01:47,360
there since there's no sidewalks there,

2029
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:49,760
is that problematic to do a crosswalk to

2030
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:51,679
up to where there's no sidewalk. Isn't

2031
02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:53,440
that an engineering issue?

2032
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:55,679
>> So, uh, good question. Yes, a crosswalk

2033
02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:57,440
at an uncontrolled intersection that

2034
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:59,040
doesn't have a three-way stop or a

2035
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:01,040
signal is always a little bit scary

2036
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:02,400
because you're given a false sense of

2037
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:04,639
security, but also having a crosswalk

2038
02:02:04,639 --> 02:02:07,440
that leads to nowhere um would be a

2039
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:10,159
probably a very large ADA uh violation.

2040
02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:11,760
And my other quick question, I know the

2041
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:13,520
vehicle code changed and now you know

2042
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:17,040
blocking or parking on corner radiuses

2043
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:20,320
is an issue. uh

2044
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:22,080
that there wouldn't be an an issue of

2045
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:23,760
going out there and painting that radius

2046
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:24,800
red, would there?

2047
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:27,280
>> We can do 20 ft per state law right now

2048
02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:28,800
without going to planning commission and

2049
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:31,440
council. Beyond the 20 ft, typically we

2050
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:32,719
would go to planning commission and come

2051
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:34,320
back to council to codify that.

2052
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:35,679
>> Okay. So, we could do immediately we

2053
02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:37,360
could paint the curb and then if it was

2054
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:39,199
something that we they wanted we wanted

2055
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:40,480
to address further, we just go to

2056
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:41,119
planning commission.

2057
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:43,520
>> Correct. And looking to the east on that

2058
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:45,440
intersection, it is already red curbed.

2059
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:45,760
>> Okay.

2060
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:47,920
>> And so the right side is not red curbed.

2061
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:49,840
Okay. Yeah. Mark, you I think you had

2062
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:51,280
questions of staff or

2063
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:53,920
>> um you address uh several of them. When

2064
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:56,560
was the last time we we've done a and

2065
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:58,159
may have missed the first part of it. Uh

2066
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:00,400
>> when was the last time we we did a a

2067
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:03,520
comprehensive view of of that entire

2068
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:03,920
area

2069
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:05,840
>> for like traffic calming and speeding?

2070
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:08,880
Um I believe he he mentioned 2023 which

2071
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:10,159
sounds correct.

2072
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:13,119
>> Um I do know the results of that. Uh, it

2073
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:15,280
was focused also on the the S-curves

2074
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:17,360
kind of by the tennis court where the

2075
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:19,119
speed was actually very slow in that

2076
02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:20,960
stretch. I don't remember the results

2077
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:22,159
off the top of my head on the

2078
02:03:22,159 --> 02:03:24,000
straightaway. If anywhere is going to

2079
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:25,679
qualify for traffic calming on this

2080
02:03:25,679 --> 02:03:26,639
street, it's going to be the

2081
02:03:26,639 --> 02:03:29,599
straightaway. The the curves further to

2082
02:03:29,599 --> 02:03:31,840
the west, if I remember correctly, the

2083
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:34,560
speeds were 10, 15 miles an hour on

2084
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:37,760
average, not for 30 and 35 that you're

2085
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:39,199
looking for to qualify.

2086
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:41,280
>> There might be something there to this.

2087
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:45,360
And I I know this is mainly just on on the uh blocks itself, but for staff

2088
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:48,480
to look at a at a more comprehensive uh

2089
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:50,000
study specifically on that area because

2090
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:51,360
it sounds like we're having a lot of

2091
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:53,280
issues

2092
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:55,199
on top of the wall itself.

2093
02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:56,800
>> Right. So we can definitely relook at

2094
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,239
that straightaway. I don't need a

2095
02:03:58,239 --> 02:03:59,920
petition from the city. We if you guys

2096
02:03:59,920 --> 02:04:01,679
give us that direction, we can we can do

2097
02:04:01,679 --> 02:04:04,320
that. And that's something that um

2098
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:06,239
really the trafficcoming policy, we have

2099
02:04:06,239 --> 02:04:07,840
a whole policy on that. We would come

2100
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:11,119
back to appropriate if it was additional

2101
02:04:11,119 --> 02:04:13,840
red curb beyond the 20 ft or other

2102
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,080
measures in our toolbox including speed

2103
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:18,000
bumps and stuff like that that are we

2104
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:19,920
have a lot of measures in our toolbox.

2105
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:22,080
Usually it's speed feedback signs are

2106
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:24,480
the next option after red curbs that we

2107
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:26,080
try to get people to slow down first

2108
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:27,760
before we start going with physical

2109
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:30,080
barriers like uh speed cushions.

2110
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:32,080
>> Okay, great. Any questions?

2111
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:35,840
>> Yeah. Um uh a few neighbors talking

2112
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:39,199
about the the parked the car blocking

2113
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:41,679
the sight line. Uh what what is your

2114
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:45,360
assessment on that? And if we were to

2115
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:48,320
pre prevent people from parking there,

2116
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:50,800
then does this wall still present a

2117
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:52,239
sight plan issue?

2118
02:04:52,239 --> 02:04:54,239
>> Uh yes. per the state law that we were

2119
02:04:54,239 --> 02:04:56,000
just talking about, we can we can go out

2120
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:58,239
and red curb that, you know, as soon as

2121
02:04:58,239 --> 02:04:59,679
we get a work order into the maintenance

2122
02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:02,560
department, we can red curb 20 feet from

2123
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:04,639
where the straight part hits the curve

2124
02:05:04,639 --> 02:05:07,520
of the the radius. So, by state law, I

2125
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:08,880
forget the assembly bill number, I think

2126
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:11,440
it's 418, but that one, the daylighting

2127
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:13,440
law, it's referred to, uh, we can

2128
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:15,280
actually go out and do 20 ft of red curb

2129
02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:17,119
without changing our code. Anything

2130
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:18,880
beyond that, I need I usually do an

2131
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:20,960
investigation. I would look at this line

2132
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:22,880
of sight and say what's needed to get us

2133
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:24,560
closer to that line of sight of what

2134
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:26,719
we're looking for in this code. My guess

2135
02:05:26,719 --> 02:05:30,480
is it'll go from 20 ft is one car. My

2136
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:32,080
guess is you would end up coming back

2137
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:34,000
with potentially three cars worth of red

2138
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:34,719
curb.

2139
02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:37,119
>> Okay. My question is if we were to take

2140
02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:39,840
out three parking spaces in that

2141
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:42,719
segment, will this

2142
02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:46,159
because right now the parked car blocks

2143
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:49,199
sight line. If we were to prevent them

2144
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:51,840
from parking there, taking out three by

2145
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:54,960
taking out three parked cars, will that

2146
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:58,480
wall becomes a obstacle to the line of

2147
02:05:58,480 --> 02:05:59,360
sight?

2148
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:02,239
>> The wall per the city, per the county

2149
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:04,639
standard, it it's still technically a

2150
02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:06,000
line of sight standard because it's

2151
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:08,560
higher than that 42 in that the standard

2152
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:12,880
looks at from a driver's eye. And they look at a specific distance back

2153
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:15,920
from the flow line of the curb, 10 ft. a

2154
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:18,800
driver's eye being 42 in, how far can

2155
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:20,400
you see? And that standard wants you to

2156
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:23,599
be able to see 280 feet. And so the wall

2157
02:06:23,599 --> 02:06:25,360
is technically still a violation of

2158
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:27,840
that, but part removing parked cars

2159
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:29,920
would help the situation for sure.

2160
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:32,960
>> What is what's a ramification or

2161
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:36,400
consequence of not abiding by the county

2162
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:37,840
standard?

2163
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:39,599
>> Um, I mean, ultimately, these streets

2164
02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:41,760
were built prior to the county standard.

2165
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:44,320
Obviously, we're 1920s, right? This

2166
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:46,320
county standard didn't wasn't created in

2167
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:48,079
the 1920s. So, not all streets are going

2168
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:49,920
to meet this standard, but as an

2169
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:51,440
engineer, we we like to have some sort

2170
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:53,679
of guideline of what's the standard of

2171
02:06:53,679 --> 02:06:55,440
care and what's the standard of practice

2172
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:57,040
in our industry of what we're trying to

2173
02:06:57,040 --> 02:06:59,280
follow. So, most cities look at the the

2174
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:02,320
county standard of 117 to to try to

2175
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:04,560
implement what we can on that standard

2176
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:06,159
where we can to the best of our

2177
02:07:06,159 --> 02:07:07,280
abilities.

2178
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:08,239
>> Okay. Thank you,

2179
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:08,960
>> Victor.

2180
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:10,560
>> Yeah, I I'm just trying to get a better

2181
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:12,960
sense of uh I'm a little bit confused. I

2182
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:14,400
think I understand about the height of

2183
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:16,400
the wall. There's some some a little bit

2184
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:19,599
of confusion though that the wall was uh

2185
02:07:19,599 --> 02:07:22,400
has been there, you know, for forever,

2186
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:25,903
for 20 years. But but help

2187
02:07:25,903 --> 02:07:27,119
[clears throat] me understand what part

2188
02:07:27,119 --> 02:07:29,199
of the wall was was there and what part

2189
02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:37,030
was not there and uh and at what height.

2190
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:38,400
» So, uh

2191
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:40,400
>> we have a couple photos that might show

2192
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,840
the pre-existing. So, um, while she's

2193
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:45,199
looking for those here, so here's the

2194
02:07:45,199 --> 02:07:47,360
existing case where you're looking at

2195
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:49,760
>> the actual solid wall on the lower half

2196
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:51,040
that has been there probably since the

2197
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:52,239
1950s. Okay.

2198
02:07:52,239 --> 02:07:54,800
>> Um, that's looking at I'm guessing since

2199
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:56,239
it's not there today, I'm I'm guessing

2200
02:07:56,239 --> 02:07:58,560
it's 30 to 36 in high

2201
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:01,280
>> and then those columns went up to 6 feet

2202
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:02,560
in height.

2203
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:05,040
>> And so, in my staff report, I talk about

2204
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:07,520
how those columns themselves kind of

2205
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:09,199
posed a line of sight issue. Even though

2206
02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:10,320
they're not there today, you can

2207
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:12,400
actually see it in this photo. When you

2208
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:14,880
see columns in a line, they start acting

2209
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:16,719
as a wall at a certain angle.

2210
02:08:16,719 --> 02:08:17,119
>> Mhm.

2211
02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:20,960
>> And so, was it better back then than it

2212
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:23,040
is now? I believe so.

2213
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:25,199
>> Because there was this as you're

2214
02:08:25,199 --> 02:08:26,400
approaching the wall, you can see

2215
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:28,079
through it, and there's only a couple

2216
02:08:28,079 --> 02:08:29,920
feet where you're actually getting those

2217
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:32,480
columns start acting like a wall. Um,

2218
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:35,119
once they filled it in, they filled in

2219
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:36,639
to the tops of those columns

2220
02:08:36,639 --> 02:08:39,119
effectively. So all that fence material

2221
02:08:39,119 --> 02:08:41,760
you see there, the the previous owner

2222
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:43,920
filled it in with solid wall. And that's

2223
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:46,320
where it it it kind of it basically

2224
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:48,400
creates a sixoot wall instead of that 3.

2225
02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:50,560
>> So when

2226
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:52,320
I'll clarify this maybe a little bit

2227
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:53,920
later, but when we're talking about that

2228
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:56,800
6ft wall being there, it wasn't always a

2229
02:08:56,800 --> 02:09:00,560
6ft wall. It was this wall with the rod

2230
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:02,639
iron in in place.

2231
02:09:02,639 --> 02:09:06,320
>> Correct. Uh

2232
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:09,199
there was an issue of lights on on the

2233
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:11,599
wall currently. Can you help me

2234
02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:12,880
understand that?

2235
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:13,920
>> Um right

2236
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:15,199
>> gates

2237
02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:17,440
>> I think it's the next one or right

2238
02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:18,159
there.

2239
02:09:18,159 --> 02:09:21,119
>> So the the the the owner before or this

2240
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:22,719
one somebody added those two light

2241
02:09:22,719 --> 02:09:24,159
sconces when you [clears throat] are

2242
02:09:24,159 --> 02:09:26,639
walking on that 2 and 1/2t wide walkway

2243
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:28,480
right there. It's pretty much right at

2244
02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:30,880
like eye level for me at least

2245
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:32,719
>> with pretty sharp corners. And

2246
02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:35,599
>> so I I had some concerns of that myself

2247
02:09:35,599 --> 02:09:37,520
just kind of being at if you weren't

2248
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:39,119
paying attention that's not the

2249
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:41,280
especially on a 2 and 1/2t walkway.

2250
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:42,719
>> You're kind of forced into something

2251
02:09:42,719 --> 02:09:44,079
right at your eye level.

2252
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:45,920
>> And the the other thing I I'm trying to

2253
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:50,400
get a better sense of is uh uh I think

2254
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:52,800
that these owners bought this house with

2255
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:55,119
the wall there. Was there knowledge

2256
02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:57,760
though of the [laughter]

2257
02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:00,079
as far as you under understand that

2258
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:02,320
there was issues with the wall when when

2259
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:05,360
it was purchased or was there there an

2260
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:08,639
ongoing uh action at that time? Can you

2261
02:10:08,639 --> 02:10:11,199
help me understand that? So, from what

2262
02:10:11,199 --> 02:10:13,360
we can I can look back, one of my staff

2263
02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:15,760
members, Alex Lowki, he was in

2264
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:17,760
communications with the current owners

2265
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:19,840
as they were in escrow to purchase the

2266
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:21,840
house, and they were made aware of the

2267
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:24,239
code case on this prior to their closing

2268
02:10:24,239 --> 02:10:26,400
of the purchase. But some of the their

2269
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:28,079
real estate agent was involved, I

2270
02:10:28,079 --> 02:10:29,679
believe, and there were several emails

2271
02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:33,280
back and forth of um what's out there

2272
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:35,199
now, what was before the fact that the

2273
02:10:35,199 --> 02:10:36,639
whole wall was unpermitted and

2274
02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:38,960
potentially a zoning violation and

2275
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:40,960
potentially a line of sight violation.

2276
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:44,400
>> Okay. Uh is there is there any uh

2277
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:46,960
obligate or consequences to the city or

2278
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:50,480
liability to the city uh as a result? I

2279
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:53,119
mean, if we if we kept the Well, this

2280
02:10:53,119 --> 02:10:55,520
incre Well, maybe [laughter]

2281
02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:57,119
you're not the right person to answer,

2282
02:10:57,119 --> 02:11:01,679
but but it is it a it's a violation of

2283
02:11:01,679 --> 02:11:05,599
the code the code the county code.

2284
02:11:05,599 --> 02:11:07,520
>> Well, I will say though, the county is

2285
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:10,000
it's not exactly a code. It's a standard.

2286
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:13,920
>> And so standards are guidelines that you try to abide by. We have engineering

2287
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:15,920
standards that aren't codified. Mhm.

2288
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:17,920
>> We we have wiggle room in there and not

2289
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:19,679
it doesn't always fit especially in a

2290
02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:21,520
historic building or a historic parking

2291
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:23,360
lot. We can't always get our proper

2292
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:26,000
backup distance for example. We we wave

2293
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:27,440
these standards all the time to try to

2294
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:30,960
help development happen in town. Um so

2295
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:34,239
standards aren't codified. My my my my

2296
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:36,960
last question would be

2297
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:39,599
if hypothetically we we were going to

2298
02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:42,400
try and address the line of sight, would

2299
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,960
the entire wall have to be modified to

2300
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:52,639
its original or could you just modify a smaller portion of the wall uh to

2301
02:11:52,639 --> 02:11:55,199
address the line of sight?

2302
02:11:55,199 --> 02:11:57,520
>> That is a good question and I don't

2303
02:11:57,520 --> 02:12:00,239
believe I have an aerial view of this.

2304
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:02,239
Um,

2305
02:12:02,239 --> 02:12:03,920
that is an excellent question. It is

2306
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:06,320
something we can look into if that was

2307
02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:09,040
council's direction cuz the further to

2308
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:11,440
the west, you know, maybe it's not an

2309
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:13,440
issue as you're that far down to their

2310
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:15,119
western property line.

2311
02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:17,840
>> Um, somewhere between that gate and that

2312
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:19,520
western property line, there might be a

2313
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:21,360
point where that wall technically could

2314
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:22,159
stay.

2315
02:12:22,159 --> 02:12:23,920
>> Well, what would what would be the the

2316
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:25,840
option? Could someone for could could

2317
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:27,920
there be glass or something that you

2318
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:29,679
could see through as opposed to putting

2319
02:12:29,679 --> 02:12:32,000
rod restoring rod iron?

2320
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:34,560
>> Um, and that's where it kind of gets

2321
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,239
into some of our zoning standards, too.

2322
02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:38,560
Talk about guard rails being somewhat

2323
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:40,960
see-through or slotted rails or or or

2324
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:42,271
rod iron or some of these

2325
02:12:42,271 --> 02:12:42,960
[clears throat] things that are a little

2326
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:44,560
bit more see-through. So, there's

2327
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:46,639
different options that are usually used.

2328
02:12:46,639 --> 02:12:48,719
When somebody were to come in today and

2329
02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:50,400
let's say propose this,

2330
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,480
>> our zoning code usually says do your

2331
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,960
42-in high wall and anything above that

2332
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:57,920
is basically see-through with rod iron

2333
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:01,360
or slotted uh glass like you said or

2334
02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:02,000
glass and stuff.

2335
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:03,679
>> But theoretically, you know, right there

2336
02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:07,440
in that picture, you could create uh

2337
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:09,760
some kind of line of sight there on the

2338
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:12,400
top part and keep a good portion of the

2339
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:13,360
wall. Otherwise,

2340
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:14,800
>> there's a certain point around this

2341
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:16,320
fence somewhere between this fence and

2342
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:18,639
to the west where maybe that wall could

2343
02:13:18,639 --> 02:13:21,119
stay that height and then from I think

2344
02:13:21,119 --> 02:13:22,480
what you're getting at is from that

2345
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:23,280
point

2346
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,360
>> east towards the intersection maybe it

2347
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:27,280
has glass or a rod iron or something

2348
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:28,000
like that.

2349
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,760
>> All right, those are my that's all the

2350
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:30,320
questions that

2351
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:32,400
>> I know Mark has another question but

2352
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:34,880
real quick is is this the photo is this

2353
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:36,000
what it looks like right now?

2354
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:36,880
>> This is today.

2355
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:39,040
>> Okay, Megan, did you leave this photo up

2356
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:41,920
for people to retrieve it quickly? Okay.

2357
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:42,960
Go ahead, Mark.

2358
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:45,440
>> Sorry, there I had one more question. Uh

2359
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:48,427
actually to our chief, uh there was a

2360
02:13:48,427 --> 02:13:48,960
[snorts]

2361
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:51,840
mention there of of a lot of people uh

2362
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:54,239
parking overnight there and uh just

2363
02:13:54,239 --> 02:13:57,280
wondering if there's uh any patrol in

2364
02:13:57,280 --> 02:13:59,760
that area uh to to monitor that for

2365
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:02,480
safety or other reasons.

2366
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:03,520
>> Yes.

2367
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:06,560
>> Okay. And and you are actively in that

2368
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:08,320
area and working in that area?

2369
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:08,960
>> Yes, sir.

2370
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:10,639
>> Okay, great. Thank you.

2371
02:14:10,639 --> 02:14:13,040
>> Okay. Uh quick question for

2372
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:16,079
clarification of the appellet. So uh you

2373
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:18,000
talked about a putting up a cat's eye

2374
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:21,199
mirror and the appelllet is willing to

2375
02:14:21,199 --> 02:14:24,960
do that to to put one up and to maintain

2376
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:27,840
it. Is that my understanding? Okay, I'm

2377
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:29,679
getting a yes, Spencer. And the last

2378
02:14:29,679 --> 02:14:32,159
thing is uh would the appelllet be

2379
02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:34,000
willing to remove those lights on either

2380
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:35,679
side of the gate? And I get an

2381
02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:37,520
affirmative on that also. Any other

2382
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:40,000
questions of staff?

2383
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:42,880
I I if we could ask them questions, too.

2384
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:45,199
I I I had a few comments. I just want to

2385
02:14:45,199 --> 02:14:48,800
know uh your your your reaction uh to

2386
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:51,920
any of that or uh to to my comments

2387
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:54,880
about, you know, at a certain point

2388
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:57,760
lowering the wall if it could help

2389
02:14:57,760 --> 02:14:59,520
impact the line of sight.

2390
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:02,639
>> Yes. So, I Mr. Robert's ideal situation

2391
02:15:02,639 --> 02:15:04,480
here is that the wall can remain as it

2392
02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:06,960
is. the alternative is having to

2393
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:09,360
demolish it and move it. Um, it's a

2394
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:11,119
retaining wall. It's going to be an

2395
02:15:11,119 --> 02:15:13,119
expensive and serious project.

2396
02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:13,840
>> He's willing to [clears throat] make

2397
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:16,320
some adjustments um that will help the

2398
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:20,239
line of sight, but his what he's really

2399
02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:22,000
asking for is that the wall can stay as

2400
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:22,560
it is right now.

2401
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:24,079
>> No, I understand that. I don't I don't

2402
02:15:24,079 --> 02:15:28,000
want to throw something out there

2403
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,639
irrational or unreasonable, but Okay.

2404
02:15:30,639 --> 02:15:32,079
Thank you. And

2405
02:15:32,079 --> 02:15:34,400
>> yeah, really quick quick question about

2406
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:38,239
the wall height for the staff. Um, the

2407
02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:40,719
zoning code has a

2408
02:15:40,719 --> 02:15:46,239
front front yard and side yard if it's next to the public street a wall

2409
02:15:46,239 --> 02:15:49,199
height limit of 42 in as you just

2410
02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:51,520
mentioned. Uh, so if we were to leave

2411
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:53,440
the war earlier, apparently there's a

2412
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:56,880
lot of zoning code issue here. Have you

2413
02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:58,800
worked with the planning department on

2414
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:01,280
this? Uh we have had some conversations

2415
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:04,159
with them on this. Um ultimately the the

2416
02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:05,679
what you're referring to the front yard

2417
02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:09,199
setback uh zoning code does say uh 42 in

2418
02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:10,960
is the maximum height of a wall on

2419
02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:12,800
there. Normally when they go through a

2420
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:14,960
minor exception permit any guard rails

2421
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:17,440
on top of that are of see-through

2422
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:20,159
material. Um on the sideyard because

2423
02:16:20,159 --> 02:16:23,040
this is a a corner lot. the sideyard uh

2424
02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:26,000
10 feet back from the ride of way is

2425
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:28,320
where anything within that front 10 feet

2426
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:30,400
on the sideyard is supposed to be 42

2427
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:32,319
inches according to their zoning code.

2428
02:16:32,319 --> 02:16:33,760
>> Okay. Thank you.

2429
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:35,280
>> Any other questions before we close the

2430
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:37,519
public hearing? Hearing none. Public

2431
02:16:37,519 --> 02:16:40,080
hearing is closed. So, who wants to kick

2432
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:41,040
it off for discussion?

2433
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:42,479
>> I'll kick it off, Mr. Mayor, if I could.

2434
02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:45,359
Uh I I uh depending on the the desire of

2435
02:16:45,359 --> 02:16:47,280
the council, I think the line of sight

2436
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:48,800
issue is important. I think the

2437
02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:50,880
reflecting mirror u kind of addresses

2438
02:16:50,880 --> 02:16:52,559
that issue and the red curbing would

2439
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:55,280
address that issue. So I can support uh

2440
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:57,439
this wall has been there for 50 plus

2441
02:16:57,439 --> 02:17:00,479
years. I can support the wall remaining

2442
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:01,920
with the removal of the lights, the

2443
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:03,519
pinning of the red curb and the

2444
02:17:03,519 --> 02:17:05,840
reflector reflecting mechanism

2445
02:17:05,840 --> 02:17:08,240
maintained by the applicant. Uh I can

2446
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:10,880
support that. Uh but uh the reduction is

2447
02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:12,960
the second second step back from that.

2448
02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:14,639
But I I can support the applicant with

2449
02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:16,160
those two conditions.

2450
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:18,800
>> Yeah, Mr. Woo. Yeah. uh my my position

2451
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:23,439
or my opinion is that uh uh

2452
02:17:23,439 --> 02:17:25,519
I'm going to follow much of the staff's

2453
02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:27,439
recommendation. I think the six foot

2454
02:17:27,439 --> 02:17:30,399
wall cannot stay there because it's a

2455
02:17:30,399 --> 02:17:32,639
liability issue and also public safety

2456
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:35,840
issue. Um in dishing the it violates the

2457
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,880
zoning code of the wall height with the

2458
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:41,679
wall is never a legal non-conforming

2459
02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:45,359
use. It's it didn't have a permit to

2460
02:17:45,359 --> 02:17:48,000
exist there. So, it's illegal

2461
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:50,479
construction from the beginning. And I I

2462
02:17:50,479 --> 02:17:52,160
think at the minimum, we need to lower

2463
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:57,040
the wall down to 42 in and allow the the

2464
02:17:57,040 --> 02:18:01,359
owner to add a see-through rod iron

2465
02:18:01,359 --> 02:18:03,599
design on top of that if that's still

2466
02:18:03,599 --> 02:18:07,040
what he wants to make wall taller. Uh,

2467
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:09,280
regarding the privacy in the front yard,

2468
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:12,000
um, there's no expectation for privacy

2469
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,639
in the front yard. U the front yard is

2470
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:18,080
expected to be visible from uh from from

2471
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:27,669
an open street. Um the other things

2472
02:18:27,679 --> 02:18:32,559
the the lack of accident is um

2473
02:18:32,559 --> 02:18:34,639
it does not mean that there's no risk.

2474
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:38,080
It just hasn't happened because such a

2475
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:41,040
uh it's a it's a small

2476
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:44,399
location and any any risk will take time

2477
02:18:44,399 --> 02:18:46,639
to materialize and eventually giving

2478
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:49,200
enough time something will happen. So by

2479
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:51,599
that time city will be on hook for a

2480
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:54,319
liability issue. So if we were to allow

2481
02:18:54,319 --> 02:18:58,880
this to h to to stay and I need I need

2482
02:18:58,880 --> 02:19:02,800
the the owner to indemnify the city for

2483
02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:04,639
any future liability if something

2484
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:07,920
happens. But I think the solution today

2485
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:12,240
is to have them to lower it to 42 in.

2486
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:15,439
Thank you.

2487
02:19:15,439 --> 02:19:20,639
>> I concur with uh Mr. Woo. Uh this is the

2488
02:19:20,639 --> 02:19:23,120
issue for me here is is

2489
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:26,719
uh compliance and that we we have these

2490
02:19:26,719 --> 02:19:29,200
uh design review committees in place for

2491
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:30,800
a reason and I understand that you

2492
02:19:30,800 --> 02:19:32,000
bought this house from someone else but

2493
02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:33,599
you also understood when you bought it

2494
02:19:33,599 --> 02:19:36,160
that it was out of compliance. Um, and

2495
02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:37,760
that's unfortunate that it wasn't done

2496
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:40,000
properly, but we can't be making

2497
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:43,120
exceptions on this and then expect

2498
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:45,519
others to not want to have exceptions as

2499
02:19:45,519 --> 02:19:47,599
well and sort of uh, you know, build

2500
02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:50,399
first or or uh, yeah, build first and

2501
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:52,800
ask for permission later. Um, we we need

2502
02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:55,600
to to do this correctly. Uh I am

2503
02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:59,439
amenable to the idea of of going back to

2504
02:19:59,439 --> 02:20:01,120
some design that was close to what it

2505
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:03,280
was before of having some some gated

2506
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:06,560
slots in there or gate um some iron uh

2507
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:09,200
slats in there uh or some sort, you

2508
02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:11,280
know, working with our design uh

2509
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:13,760
committee to to find a a good compromise

2510
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:15,359
in there to get it close to what it was

2511
02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:18,479
before. I think that that can uh be

2512
02:20:18,479 --> 02:20:21,200
amendable to to all parties there. Um

2513
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:24,479
but yeah, we it

2514
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:27,359
This is why we have these these codes in

2515
02:20:27,359 --> 02:20:29,520
place. So,

2516
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:31,040
>> Victor,

2517
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:33,200
yeah. Uh

2518
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:36,880
I I'm not sure if it's the 32 or the 42

2519
02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:41,200
in that that is re is required by code,

2520
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:44,000
but or or or 30 in is where is where it

2521
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:47,840
was. The lower part was before.

2522
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:49,359
Well,

2523
02:20:49,359 --> 02:20:51,359
do we have to open the

2524
02:20:51,359 --> 02:20:52,960
>> Well, yeah. I'll reopen the public

2525
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:55,040
hearing and the question of staff is is

2526
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:57,600
42 what what you're looking for.

2527
02:20:57,600 --> 02:20:59,600
>> 42 is the zoning code actually. So that

2528
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:01,840
is in our code. The the line of sight

2529
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:04,479
happens to also be 42. What staff was

2530
02:21:04,479 --> 02:21:06,080
looking at was from a driver's eye and

2531
02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:07,760
the street. So we actually put it down

2532
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:10,479
at 30, but I I mean we're okay with the

2533
02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:12,560
42 is that way it's in compliance with

2534
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:14,000
planning and it's a somewhat

2535
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:15,200
compromised.

2536
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:16,479
>> Yeah. All right.

2537
02:21:16,479 --> 02:21:19,600
>> As long as we're reopen. This photo here

2538
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:21,520
I keep on hearing this number six feet.

2539
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:23,840
Are are you saying that that that wall

2540
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:28,000
right there is 6 feet correct?

2541
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:29,920
>> Just about. It kind of varies with with

2542
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:31,040
height because it used to have some

2543
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:33,200
steps in it, but I me I measured it

2544
02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:34,720
right around in this area and I believe

2545
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:36,720
I was um at six feet here.

2546
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:38,399
>> Okay. I'm going to close the public

2547
02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:40,720
hearing again. Okay. So is that

2548
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:44,479
>> my my my inclination is to uh create

2549
02:21:44,479 --> 02:21:48,080
some line of sight uh op opportunity and

2550
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:52,319
I I would hope uh that you we'd be able

2551
02:21:52,319 --> 02:21:55,200
to find a way that would uh lower it in

2552
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:58,640
the me in the least amount of uh space

2553
02:21:58,640 --> 02:22:00,479
to create that line of sight either

2554
02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:03,200
through the rod iron that was there or

2555
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:06,960
through some other acceptable glass or

2556
02:22:06,960 --> 02:22:09,840
that meets the city standard to address

2557
02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:12,640
the uh the issue of line of sight but I

2558
02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:18,160
also think you know the lights and the drainage which has been removed and

2559
02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:22,160
uh uh need to be addressed also.

2560
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:26,240
>> Okay. Uh my feeling is is that the the

2561
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:29,200
main issue I I drove it and made turns

2562
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:30,800
from both sides of the street and tried

2563
02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:33,359
to tried to look at it and I I think a a

2564
02:22:33,359 --> 02:22:35,120
mirror across the street there would

2565
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:38,080
definitely be beneficial. I also think

2566
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:41,200
that the the main my main problem for

2567
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,120
site was the fact that there's cars

2568
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:47,200
parked all the way around the radius and I think if a red curb was painted

2569
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:52,800
around the radius at 20 ft and more if needed that it would it would

2570
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:55,200
mitigate that. Uh I also like the idea

2571
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:57,520
of going out looking at all all traffic

2572
02:22:57,520 --> 02:23:03,680
calming. I just don't know that lowering if we

2573
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:06,399
say lower lower it to 42 in and then put

2574
02:23:06,399 --> 02:23:08,240
something rod iron whatever that the the

2575
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:09,760
line of sight's going to still be

2576
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:13,040
blocked to whatever it is. Now, I I just

2577
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:14,960
think that the main issue is, like I

2578
02:23:14,960 --> 02:23:17,120
say, the cars the the cars that are

2579
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:18,640
parked there, and there's a lot of other

2580
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:20,000
things that were brought up, and I think

2581
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:21,920
that those are mitigated. And as far as

2582
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:27,920
a standard, uh, we we we don't go by the standards in a lot of places in a

2583
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:29,920
100-year-old city that they're are

2584
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:31,600
constantly coming up and we're coming to

2585
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:33,680
a mitigation. We're not saying this has

2586
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:36,000
to be done now to code. I I mean, if it

2587
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:37,920
can be done, when you scrape out a lot,

2588
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:39,840
I think that's great. Otherwise, if you

2589
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:41,520
look at the neighborhood, there's a lot

2590
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:43,359
more, you know, there's a lot of what

2591
02:23:43,359 --> 02:23:46,160
you would say egregious, you know, code

2592
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:53,120
variations than than this. So, for me, I I I would be fine with the with doing

2593
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:54,960
the traffic mitigation, the red curbs,

2594
02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:58,080
the the the mirror uh with that. But

2595
02:23:58,080 --> 02:24:00,880
again, it's whatever the whatever the

2596
02:24:00,880 --> 02:24:03,600
majority of the council thinks is

2597
02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:04,720
appropriate.

2598
02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:06,960
>> Mayor, we can do both, right? the city

2599
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:09,280
can initiate some improvement at the

2600
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:12,080
location. We can we can make that happen

2601
02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:15,439
as additional direction to the staff at

2602
02:24:15,439 --> 02:24:17,439
the same time we address this code

2603
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:20,000
violation issue.

2604
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:22,160
Oh yeah, absolutely we can or we can do

2605
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:24,720
a mitigation of it and and and not hold

2606
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:27,439
them accountable to the code. It's done

2607
02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:30,000
all the time. I mean, we we get we give

2608
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:32,880
variances, we give, you know, so it's

2609
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:35,600
not like we're set in stone that we have

2610
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:37,439
to make them take that wall down. That's

2611
02:24:37,439 --> 02:24:38,720
just not a fact.

2612
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:40,319
>> My concern though is that it sets a

2613
02:24:40,319 --> 02:24:44,000
precedent that uh throughout the city

2614
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:48,479
people are going to say, well, ask for forgiveness, not permission. And

2615
02:24:48,479 --> 02:24:49,600
that that's my concern here.

2616
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:51,600
>> Yeah, I'm I'm certainly not in favor of

2617
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:54,240
not g getting a building permit and

2618
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:56,080
building something without getting a

2619
02:24:56,080 --> 02:24:58,000
permit. that wasn't done by this

2620
02:24:58,000 --> 02:24:59,760
applicant. That was done and I I think

2621
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:01,680
the prior owner should have should have

2622
02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:04,479
done something. They didn't. Uh again,

2623
02:25:04,479 --> 02:25:06,479
it's done all over the city all the

2624
02:25:06,479 --> 02:25:08,319
time. Uh where you go out and you look

2625
02:25:08,319 --> 02:25:10,160
at a project and you try to mitigate it.

2626
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:13,280
And I every project is different.

2627
02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:15,040
There's no well he did this now I can do

2628
02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:16,560
that because that just isn't reality.

2629
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:18,399
That's not how it really happens in the

2630
02:25:18,399 --> 02:25:21,120
everyday world here in the city. So

2631
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:22,000
that's may

2632
02:25:22,000 --> 02:25:25,280
>> Mayor if you go on Zen

2633
02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:28,399
>> if you allow me if you can uh reopen the

2634
02:25:28,399 --> 02:25:32,479
public I'd like to ask the the council.

2635
02:25:32,479 --> 02:25:33,760
>> Sure. Okay. Okay.

2636
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:40,790
>> Few questions. Um,

2637
02:25:40,800 --> 02:25:44,479
so if the city were to uh adopt the

2638
02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:47,120
resolution 26109

2639
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:51,600
to partially grant your appeal, uh, if

2640
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:53,920
you I believe you have read the

2641
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:56,160
conditions on section three, there are

2642
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:59,439
four items. A the encroach encroaching

2643
02:25:59,439 --> 02:26:01,680
wall improvement shall not exceed a

2644
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:04,560
maximum height of 30 inches. We will

2645
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:07,920
raise it to 42 inches. B the drain shall

2646
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:10,720
be removed or modified to property drain

2647
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:13,520
to the street and not onto the sidewalk.

2648
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:15,760
We're going to keep that. C. The

2649
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:17,600
property owners shall execute a

2650
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:20,160
administrative encroachment permit and

2651
02:26:20,160 --> 02:26:23,120
agreement containing covenants affecting

2652
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:25,359
real property informed substantially

2653
02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:27,600
similar to those presented to the city

2654
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:30,640
council. Um in other words you the

2655
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:32,720
property owner will have to indemnify

2656
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:35,840
the city and then D is just generic

2657
02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:40,399
cash. Um with those modification is that

2658
02:26:40,399 --> 02:26:44,479
acceptable by you by you? So that's not

2659
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:46,240
our preferred outcome here. We're

2660
02:26:46,240 --> 02:26:48,160
willing to work with the city attorneys

2661
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:51,040
and we want to reach a resolution with

2662
02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:53,520
this. Some of the in the proposed

2663
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:56,319
resolution, it really is a catchall

2664
02:26:56,319 --> 02:27:00,880
placing a lot of um liability that's

2665
02:27:00,880 --> 02:27:03,600
not regulated onto Mr. Roberts. So we'd

2666
02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:04,800
want to make sure that's spelled out

2667
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:06,880
what Mr. Roberts is responsible for

2668
02:27:06,880 --> 02:27:08,880
indemnifying the city for. And then it

2669
02:27:08,880 --> 02:27:11,680
also gives the city a anytime anywhere

2670
02:27:11,680 --> 02:27:14,720
we can revoke this. So we'd want to

2671
02:27:14,720 --> 02:27:17,359
understand that if we are undergoing a

2672
02:27:17,359 --> 02:27:19,680
costly height reduction that next week

2673
02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:21,359
the city doesn't decide that they don't

2674
02:27:21,359 --> 02:27:25,120
like this and um reverse that um

2675
02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:28,479
encroachment permit so we'd like some

2676
02:27:28,479 --> 02:27:30,000
ability to come in front of the council

2677
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:32,880
again if that ever became a case. Um can

2678
02:27:32,880 --> 02:27:37,920
I just briefly address um Mr. Mark's um

2679
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:40,880
concern about exceptions to the code and

2680
02:27:40,880 --> 02:27:44,319
this becoming a snowball effect. This

2681
02:27:44,319 --> 02:27:45,920
while the modifications were done a few

2682
02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:48,800
years ago, the wall has been in this

2683
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:52,240
footprint um location and height at

2684
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:55,760
least the columns since the 60s. So the

2685
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:58,160
snowball effect I think is kind of an

2686
02:27:58,160 --> 02:28:01,200
unfound fear where

2687
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:03,040
nobody else can go out today and build

2688
02:28:03,040 --> 02:28:04,399
something without a code and ask for

2689
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:06,479
forgiveness tomorrow. This has been here

2690
02:28:06,479 --> 02:28:11,439
for over 60 years. So, while those

2691
02:28:11,439 --> 02:28:14,080
homeowners that have

2692
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:15,600
um improvements on their property that

2693
02:28:15,600 --> 02:28:17,280
are 60 years old may see this and say,

2694
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:18,960
"Okay, well, I guess I'm fine with

2695
02:28:18,960 --> 02:28:21,520
that." It's not going to lead to more

2696
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:23,600
residents coming out trying to get

2697
02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:27,200
around the building permits.

2698
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:28,720
>> Okay. I have question for the city

2699
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:32,160
attorney. So I just I just propose some

2700
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:34,000
compromise and it doesn't look like the

2701
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:37,520
applicant is willing to accept that. So

2702
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:40,160
if the council doesn't get any motion

2703
02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:43,520
approved then what what is that what's

2704
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:45,120
the outcome?

2705
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:48,479
>> Uh so first of all the applicants

2706
02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:50,960
agreement is not required. This is a

2707
02:28:50,960 --> 02:28:53,359
quasi judicial hearing in which the city

2708
02:28:53,359 --> 02:28:56,080
council is deciding an appeal. So you

2709
02:28:56,080 --> 02:29:00,880
don't need to reach an agreement. Um

2710
02:29:00,880 --> 02:29:04,479
if the council takes no action um that

2711
02:29:04,479 --> 02:29:08,469
would

2712
02:29:08,479 --> 02:29:11,520
it doesn't get staff's you know staff's

2713
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:14,240
recommendation stands which is the last

2714
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:16,319
thing that happened.

2715
02:29:16,319 --> 02:29:18,880
>> Yeah. I I think Mr. Woo uh your concern

2716
02:29:18,880 --> 02:29:21,200
I think is being addressed in in the uh

2717
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:23,359
license agreement paragraph 6 provides

2718
02:29:23,359 --> 02:29:26,160
uh that the homeowner provide insurance

2719
02:29:26,160 --> 02:29:28,319
liability insurance. uh it's maybe a

2720
02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:29,680
little weak on the indemnification

2721
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:31,600
provision that that section could be

2722
02:29:31,600 --> 02:29:32,800
boosted a little bit to make sure

2723
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:34,399
there's a specific indemnity provision

2724
02:29:34,399 --> 02:29:36,399
if that's acceptable to the to the

2725
02:29:36,399 --> 02:29:38,880
client for any damage caused by this uh

2726
02:29:38,880 --> 02:29:43,840
this this uh structure. Um so I think I

2727
02:29:43,840 --> 02:29:45,680
think your address is your your concerns

2728
02:29:45,680 --> 02:29:47,840
pretty much been addressed in the most

2729
02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:48,560
part.

2730
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:51,840
>> Uh no not to my knowledge and

2731
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:53,520
>> read paragraph six it's pretty pretty

2732
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:56,000
clear. Well, that's indemnification is

2733
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:59,920
just a one and also uh I think we have

2734
02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:02,640
if I read it correctly we have uh three

2735
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:05,600
council members wants the height limit

2736
02:30:05,600 --> 02:30:08,000
to address the site landing issues and

2737
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:11,359
uh the applicant has not expressed their

2738
02:30:11,359 --> 02:30:14,880
uh support to accept that

2739
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:16,960
we have a closed public hearing.

2740
02:30:16,960 --> 02:30:19,120
>> So are you done with your questions? I'm

2741
02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:20,880
sorry is closed.

2742
02:30:20,880 --> 02:30:22,319
>> Let's move forward. I'd like to make a

2743
02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:26,960
motion that u uh we address this matter

2744
02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:31,520
by granting the uh the applicant a uh uh

2745
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:33,520
an encroachment permit with the

2746
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:35,760
condition that the lights be removed.

2747
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:39,040
that uh that the uh reflector mechanism

2748
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:40,960
be installed at the cost and maintenance

2749
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:44,000
of the homeowner and that the curb at

2750
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:46,399
least the 20 foot uh section that we can

2751
02:30:46,399 --> 02:30:48,479
do without additional authorization be

2752
02:30:48,479 --> 02:30:50,479
installed on the curb uh to the right of

2753
02:30:50,479 --> 02:30:52,240
that parking parking lot. That's my

2754
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:54,080
motion. I make a a friendly amendment

2755
02:30:54,080 --> 02:30:57,120
that we also direct staff to to take any

2756
02:30:57,120 --> 02:30:59,040
whatever study they want to do to for

2757
02:30:59,040 --> 02:31:01,200
traffic calming in that location in

2758
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:03,359
general and then also once the red curb

2759
02:31:03,359 --> 02:31:05,120
is painted if it's deemed that that's

2760
02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:06,960
not sufficient that we go to the

2761
02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:08,800
planning commission to extend that red

2762
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:09,359
curb.

2763
02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:11,040
>> Absolutely.

2764
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:13,760
>> I'll I'll second that.

2765
02:31:13,760 --> 02:31:16,479
>> Okay. I make a substit substitute motion

2766
02:31:16,479 --> 02:31:20,640
to um to adopt resolution

2767
02:31:20,640 --> 02:31:22,560
26-109

2768
02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:26,560
with a modification to section 3 a that

2769
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:32,399
we change the height of 30 in to 42 in

2770
02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:33,840
>> with everything else in the original

2771
02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:36,800
motion. Uh that's uh well the the motion

2772
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:39,200
in 26 to 109

2773
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:42,080
>> the one that grant the the one that

2774
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:45,520
grants there appeal but with those

2775
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:46,479
conditions

2776
02:31:46,479 --> 02:31:48,240
>> with the added conditions of the mirror

2777
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:49,920
and the red curb and the traffic calming

2778
02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:50,960
or you leaving those out

2779
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:53,600
>> those are the additional

2780
02:31:53,600 --> 02:31:56,319
direction to the to the staff but it

2781
02:31:56,319 --> 02:31:58,640
doesn't have to be this resolution.

2782
02:31:58,640 --> 02:31:58,960
Okay,

2783
02:31:58,960 --> 02:32:04,240
>> just to be just for clarity on this, would be proposing that you that

2784
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:08,880
the wall goes to 42 in. Uh is it also

2785
02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:12,319
putting uh recommending that putting in

2786
02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:15,920
slats in there or or uh see-through?

2787
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:17,600
>> That's that's up to the applicant. If

2788
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:20,720
they want to add seeth through guard

2789
02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:23,840
rails on top of the 42 in solid wall,

2790
02:32:23,840 --> 02:32:32,800
they they may do so with the planning department with a separate permit.

2791
02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:34,080
>> I'll second.

2792
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:35,680
>> Okay. So, we have a substitute motion.

2793
02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:38,640
We'll vote on that first. All in favor

2794
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:40,319
of substitute motion say I.

2795
02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:40,960
>> I.

2796
02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:43,040
>> All oppose. No.

2797
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:44,560
>> Now we go to the original.

2798
02:32:44,560 --> 02:32:50,240
>> What was the result of that? Oh, three to two. Uh the eyes were did not

2799
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:55,520
carry. Uh eyes by uh council member, Woo. Those were uh

2800
02:32:55,520 --> 02:32:58,399
myself, mayor prom Nobel, and council

2801
02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:01,439
member uh Cabraw. So now we go to the

2802
02:33:01,439 --> 02:33:04,080
original motion. And are we clear on

2803
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:05,680
>> I do have a clarification on the

2804
02:33:05,680 --> 02:33:08,560
original motion. Um Mayor Prom, was that

2805
02:33:08,560 --> 02:33:10,960
um your conditions that you delineated?

2806
02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:13,359
Were that were those um changes to

2807
02:33:13,359 --> 02:33:15,680
resolution 26

2808
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:16,560
109.

2809
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:17,120
>> Yes.

2810
02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:18,640
>> Thank you.

2811
02:33:18,640 --> 02:33:20,160
>> Okay. With that, we'll vote. All in

2812
02:33:20,160 --> 02:33:21,600
favor of the motion?

2813
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:22,720
>> I opposed.

2814
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:23,359
>> No. No.

2815
02:33:23,359 --> 02:33:25,760
>> Okay. It passes 3 to two with council

2816
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:28,960
members Endm and Woo dissenting.

2817
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:36,950
>> Thank you.

2818
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:40,319
» Next item on the agenda is continuation,

2819
02:33:40,319 --> 02:33:42,479
excuse me, let me just get there.

2820
02:33:42,479 --> 02:33:44,160
Continuation of a scheduled public

2821
02:33:44,160 --> 02:33:46,080
hearing to introduce um the first

2822
02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:48,800
reading of an ordinance amending chapter

2823
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:51,200
13.04 of the city of Sanini Municipal

2824
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:53,120
Code creating a uniform process for

2825
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:54,640
setting fees and adoption of a

2826
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:56,960
resolution adjusting water department

2827
02:33:56,960 --> 02:33:58,640
fee schedule for miscellaneous water

2828
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:01,120
fees. And if the city council concurs

2829
02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:02,800
with the information provided within the

2830
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:05,200
staff report, the recommendation is to

2831
02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:06,960
continue the public hearing to a date

2832
02:34:06,960 --> 02:34:08,880
uncertain.

2833
02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:11,359
Okay, we have to open the public hearing

2834
02:34:11,359 --> 02:34:14,080
to do that though, correct? So, I'm

2835
02:34:14,080 --> 02:34:16,880
going to open the public hearing. Uh,

2836
02:34:16,880 --> 02:34:19,280
are there any public comments on this?

2837
02:34:19,280 --> 02:34:20,720
>> Not.

2838
02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:22,960
>> And so, the staff's recommendation is to

2839
02:34:22,960 --> 02:34:25,920
continue to a date uncertain. Okay. So,

2840
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:28,399
I'm going to close the public hearing.

2841
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:30,640
Does anybody have a motion?

2842
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:31,520
>> I'll call the question.

2843
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:33,280
>> Okay. Uh, motion by council member

2844
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:34,319
Cabal. I have a second.

2845
02:34:34,319 --> 02:34:34,720
>> Second

2846
02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:36,560
>> by council member Woo. All in favor?

2847
02:34:36,560 --> 02:34:39,439
>> I. So done.

2848
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:41,120
>> Okay.

2849
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:43,520
Next item on the agenda is consideration

2850
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:46,960
of a resolution adopting the real estate

2851
02:34:46,960 --> 02:34:48,880
asset management program approving the

2852
02:34:48,880 --> 02:34:50,479
associated program policies and

2853
02:34:50,479 --> 02:34:52,000
procedures, establishing the city

2854
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:54,479
council declared surplus property list,

2855
02:34:54,479 --> 02:34:56,560
authorizing the city manager to approve

2856
02:34:56,560 --> 02:34:58,399
future administrative modifications

2857
02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:00,479
consistent consistent with the program

2858
02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:02,240
and finding the action not subject to

2859
02:35:02,240 --> 02:35:04,000
the California Environmental Quality

2860
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:04,399
Act.

2861
02:35:04,399 --> 02:35:06,240
>> Are there any public comments on this?

2862
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:09,359
>> Yes. Okay. Uh, does anybody need a staff

2863
02:35:09,359 --> 02:35:11,439
report from the council? You're pulling.

2864
02:35:11,439 --> 02:35:13,200
Okay. So, let's go ahead and hear the

2865
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:13,920
public comments.

2866
02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:20,389
>> Amanda Kinttonia.

2867
02:35:20,399 --> 02:35:22,720
» Okay. I think I have a presentation, but

2868
02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:24,640
um

2869
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:29,830
hopefully it's queuing up.

2870
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:32,560
So, um I'm just kind of wondering is the

2871
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:34,560
city of SM up for sale? Because that's

2872
02:35:34,560 --> 02:35:36,960
what it seems like to me. Uh next slide

2873
02:35:36,960 --> 02:35:38,720
please.

2874
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:42,160
When going through this uh reamp um and

2875
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:45,760
um what comes out uh comes up is it's

2876
02:35:45,760 --> 02:35:48,640
that the entities can purchase or lease

2877
02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:50,800
city- owned property. And so this is

2878
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:53,359
what I'm I'm concerned about. Um they

2879
02:35:53,359 --> 02:35:55,439
want to you want to maximize revenue

2880
02:35:55,439 --> 02:35:57,200
potential, but this is not what we are.

2881
02:35:57,200 --> 02:35:58,880
We're we're about running the city,

2882
02:35:58,880 --> 02:36:04,560
right? Not you know taking care of our constituents. um looking at public

2883
02:36:04,560 --> 02:36:07,359
safety which thank you Mark Endm and Zen

2884
02:36:07,359 --> 02:36:09,600
Woo did um I really appreciate that as

2885
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:11,439
an RN I think that public safety is

2886
02:36:11,439 --> 02:36:15,120
number one. Next slide please. Um so

2887
02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:16,800
when I looked at the surplus property

2888
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:20,319
list um it does say it does not approve

2889
02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:23,280
the sale or lease or change uh exchange

2890
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:25,200
of any disposition of the listed

2891
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:27,920
property. However, it just I'm concerned

2892
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:30,399
of what is going to be used for this.

2893
02:36:30,399 --> 02:36:32,640
What is this going to be the start of?

2894
02:36:32,640 --> 02:36:36,080
Next slide please. So basically um in

2895
02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:38,399
the staff report it says mentions public

2896
02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:40,960
state public benefit but one of the

2897
02:36:40,960 --> 02:36:42,640
things that should be really put in

2898
02:36:42,640 --> 02:36:45,280
there that we should have a focus of

2899
02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:47,280
number one having open space

2900
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:49,200
preservation should be our primary

2901
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:51,200
focus. Number two conversate

2902
02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:53,200
conservation of our lands and natural

2903
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:55,760
resources uh to last for a long time

2904
02:36:55,760 --> 02:36:57,439
because this is it. this is all we have

2905
02:36:57,439 --> 02:37:00,479
right our our open land um our surplus

2906
02:37:00,479 --> 02:37:03,040
land um land assembly I think that's

2907
02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:04,720
really important for open space

2908
02:37:04,720 --> 02:37:07,040
preservation and conservation to

2909
02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:10,080
maintain it to join these properties uh

2910
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:13,680
support this is to support tree city USA

2911
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:16,319
um it's important for any surplus land

2912
02:37:16,319 --> 02:37:20,240
to u establish parks um also municipal

2913
02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:22,080
operation infrastructure for municipal

2914
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:25,200
operations as well next slide and then

2915
02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:26,880
public safety have coarse fire

2916
02:37:26,880 --> 02:37:28,720
mitigation following the California Fish

2917
02:37:28,720 --> 02:37:31,920
and Wildlife standards. Um public access

2918
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:33,760
where it doesn't disturb conservation

2919
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:35,920
easements, threatened or endangered

2920
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:38,640
species or affects the ecosystem. And

2921
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:42,720
then um next slide please. So we are the

2922
02:37:42,720 --> 02:37:44,479
Spanish village by the sea and I think

2923
02:37:44,479 --> 02:37:47,200
we should uphold that. Um we should you

2924
02:37:47,200 --> 02:37:49,120
know we have fought very hard to

2925
02:37:49,120 --> 02:37:51,200
preserve our open spaces. That's why we

2926
02:37:51,200 --> 02:37:53,280
have measure of v and all the surface

2927
02:37:53,280 --> 02:37:55,680
land. I think that should go into the

2928
02:37:55,680 --> 02:37:59,840
into our open space um measure V and I

2929
02:37:59,840 --> 02:38:01,920
don't know why that isn't and maybe we

2930
02:38:01,920 --> 02:38:04,399
could um find out if that would be

2931
02:38:04,399 --> 02:38:07,680
considered as open space but [snorts]

2932
02:38:07,680 --> 02:38:09,920
um I know that I fought for 5 years

2933
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:11,600
against the toll roads because they

2934
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:13,439
wanted to go into our open spaces. So I

2935
02:38:13,439 --> 02:38:16,160
think it's very important to protect uh

2936
02:38:16,160 --> 02:38:21,439
who we are. Um we have when the TCA land

2937
02:38:21,439 --> 02:38:24,000
uh was under negotiation

2938
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:25,439
uh it was going to Tleg Maintenance

2939
02:38:25,439 --> 02:38:28,160
Corporation Ted Associates but you know

2940
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:30,240
there was a cost of someone said $30

2941
02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:32,240
million $40 million but that that's not

2942
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:33,920
true because it was open space. Thank

2943
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:34,319
you.

2944
02:38:34,319 --> 02:38:36,604
>> Impressive PowerPoint.

2945
02:38:36,604 --> 02:38:36,880
[laughter]

2946
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:39,439
>> Y any other public comments?

2947
02:38:39,439 --> 02:38:39,760
>> No.

2948
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:40,960
>> We have a motion. I

2949
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:42,240
>> I'll make a motion. I just want to point

2950
02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:44,080
out this is a this is a report we're

2951
02:38:44,080 --> 02:38:46,800
required to produce by by law. Is that

2952
02:38:46,800 --> 02:38:49,200
correct, Andy?

2953
02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:50,800
>> At least a portion of it. One of this

2954
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:52,240
one of the things that this does address

2955
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:54,479
is our responsibility to look at each

2956
02:38:54,479 --> 02:38:56,000
one of the city's properties on an

2957
02:38:56,000 --> 02:38:58,800
annual basis for whether or not it could

2958
02:38:58,800 --> 02:39:00,800
include some affordable housing. That's

2959
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:02,800
part of the of the state law. This

2960
02:39:02,800 --> 02:39:03,920
allows us to do that.

2961
02:39:03,920 --> 02:39:05,920
>> All right. I'd move the item.

2962
02:39:05,920 --> 02:39:08,319
>> I'll second the introduce the ordinance

2963
02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:11,200
1812

2964
02:39:11,200 --> 02:39:13,120
>> is

2965
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:13,920
resolution

2966
02:39:13,920 --> 02:39:16,000
>> there. You want to read that?

2967
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:17,840
>> Uh, we don't need to read. Okay. I I'm

2968
02:39:17,840 --> 02:39:19,280
happy to read it, but it's

2969
02:39:19,280 --> 02:39:20,560
>> No, not if we don't have to.

2970
02:39:20,560 --> 02:39:22,560
>> We have a a motion by Council Member

2971
02:39:22,560 --> 02:39:23,280
Cabal. Second.

2972
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:24,479
>> And just to clarify, this is the

2973
02:39:24,479 --> 02:39:25,680
introduction, the first reading of the

2974
02:39:25,680 --> 02:39:26,399
ordinance. Correct.

2975
02:39:26,399 --> 02:39:26,720
>> Correct.

2976
02:39:26,720 --> 02:39:27,920
>> I'll second that.

2977
02:39:27,920 --> 02:39:30,640
>> Well, this is a wrong This is item 10 A.

2978
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:33,200
There's this is a resolution

2979
02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:34,960
>> 26135.

2980
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:37,280
>> Moving the item is a motion to adopt

2981
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:40,000
resolution 26135.

2982
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:41,680
>> And the motions are made by council

2983
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:43,120
member Cabal, second by council member

2984
02:39:43,120 --> 02:39:45,120
Mire. And I think council member who

2985
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:46,160
wants to make a comment. I

2986
02:39:46,160 --> 02:39:48,960
>> I have a question for for the staff. Uh

2987
02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:52,960
on the uh attach attachment five

2988
02:39:52,960 --> 02:39:56,080
proposed the policy 901-2

2989
02:39:56,080 --> 02:39:59,040
property acquisition policies

2990
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:03,120
5.4 appraisal and evaluation.

2991
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:05,120
Um

2992
02:40:05,120 --> 02:40:10,640
you divide the potential transactions or

2993
02:40:10,640 --> 02:40:13,760
land acquisition into two categories.

2994
02:40:13,760 --> 02:40:16,160
The first one is acquisition involving

2995
02:40:16,160 --> 02:40:17,920
compensation

2996
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:20,399
and the second one is a donation and a

2997
02:40:20,399 --> 02:40:23,200
dedications

2998
02:40:23,200 --> 02:40:25,920
and you propose that the if if the city

2999
02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:28,240
is buying a piece of land we're going to

3000
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:31,120
do some appraisal but if we are

3001
02:40:31,120 --> 02:40:34,319
accepting some land we don't do not do

3002
02:40:34,319 --> 02:40:36,000
some

3003
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:37,680
appraisal

3004
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:40,240
um we all I I think it's well understood

3005
02:40:40,240 --> 02:40:42,319
that uh

3006
02:40:42,319 --> 02:40:44,640
the the the free land is not really

3007
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:47,040
free. A lot of time it comes with

3008
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:49,520
obligations for example conservation

3009
02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:52,640
easement has a habitat management

3010
02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:55,760
program which has a long-term financial

3011
02:40:55,760 --> 02:40:58,640
liability. So the city is going to take

3012
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:01,120
over those piece of land we to take over

3013
02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:04,240
the liabilities and and I think they

3014
02:41:04,240 --> 02:41:06,800
have a value which is a negative value.

3015
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:09,760
It's worthwhile to have appraisal no

3016
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:12,960
matter what. So, is there a reason that

3017
02:41:12,960 --> 02:41:16,399
you are not proposing a appraisal for

3018
02:41:16,399 --> 02:41:19,200
donations and dedications?

3019
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,120
>> Well, the uh that's a great question,

3020
02:41:21,120 --> 02:41:24,479
Council Member Woo. Um the appraisal is

3021
02:41:24,479 --> 02:41:27,680
u necessary when the city is looking to

3022
02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:30,479
expend funds to purchase a property uh

3023
02:41:30,479 --> 02:41:33,200
to ensure that the amount of uh

3024
02:41:33,200 --> 02:41:34,720
compensation for that property is

3025
02:41:34,720 --> 02:41:36,960
commensurate with the property's value.

3026
02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:40,319
on a donation of land, the value of that

3027
02:41:40,319 --> 02:41:43,200
property is not really the issue.

3028
02:41:43,200 --> 02:41:46,000
However, the maintenance cost, the life

3029
02:41:46,000 --> 02:41:48,399
cycle cost, all of those types of

3030
02:41:48,399 --> 02:41:51,280
obligations that the city may incur

3031
02:41:51,280 --> 02:41:52,960
would be evaluated through the other

3032
02:41:52,960 --> 02:41:55,840
aspects of this policy.

3033
02:41:55,840 --> 02:41:58,000
So if we receive a piece of land with

3034
02:41:58,000 --> 02:42:00,479
conservation easement

3035
02:42:00,479 --> 02:42:04,720
uh I suppose that appraiser will do a

3036
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:07,920
valuation of that easement.

3037
02:42:07,920 --> 02:42:13,840
So without that appraisal, how does the city come up with the a

3038
02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:15,040
number

3039
02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:17,760
>> through the other requirements in this

3040
02:42:17,760 --> 02:42:20,319
policy which require us to look at

3041
02:42:20,319 --> 02:42:23,920
long-term u maintenance costs uh life

3042
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:27,520
cycle costs the the the amount of uh

3043
02:42:27,520 --> 02:42:29,680
funds that would be required to simply

3044
02:42:29,680 --> 02:42:31,840
own and maintain this property.

3045
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:33,840
essentially then an appraisal. An

3046
02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:35,680
appraisal is looking at the value of a

3047
02:42:35,680 --> 02:42:39,439
property for purchase. Since there's

3048
02:42:39,439 --> 02:42:42,800
since the property would be donated,

3049
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:44,880
we could take it at face value that the

3050
02:42:44,880 --> 02:42:48,000
value of the property is is $0. Whether

3051
02:42:48,000 --> 02:42:51,520
there are long-term obligation costs,

3052
02:42:51,520 --> 02:42:53,520
that's that's something that the rest of

3053
02:42:53,520 --> 02:42:55,840
this policy will address.

3054
02:42:55,840 --> 02:42:57,280
>> So essentially staff will do the

3055
02:42:57,280 --> 02:43:00,800
appraisal work.

3056
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:02,479
>> Yes. There's there's additional work

3057
02:43:02,479 --> 02:43:04,399
that would identify those particular

3058
02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:06,960
costs. The appraisal is really just

3059
02:43:06,960 --> 02:43:08,240
looking at what the value of the

3060
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:10,080
property is. And for donated property,

3061
02:43:10,080 --> 02:43:13,040
it's it's not really necessary since the

3062
02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:15,840
city's not paying for the property.

3063
02:43:15,840 --> 02:43:17,040
>> Okay. Thank you.

3064
02:43:17,040 --> 02:43:17,280
>> Question.

3065
02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:19,359
>> Yep. We have a motion and a second. All

3066
02:43:19,359 --> 02:43:20,720
in favor? I.

3067
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:27,590
>> Passes 5-0.

3068
02:43:27,600 --> 02:43:29,680
Next item on the agenda is consideration

3069
02:43:29,680 --> 02:43:31,520
of an ordinance amending section

3070
02:43:31,520 --> 02:43:33,680
1.12.010

3071
02:43:33,680 --> 02:43:35,600
of the Sony Municipal Code to authorize

3072
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:37,439
the park rangers to enforce provisions

3073
02:43:37,439 --> 02:43:39,920
of the California Fish and Game Code and

3074
02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:41,680
finding this action is exempt from the

3075
02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:44,160
California Environmental Quality Act SQA

3076
02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:46,319
pursuant to SQA guidelines sections

3077
02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:48,640
153075308

3078
02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:50,240
and 15321.

3079
02:43:50,240 --> 02:43:52,880
>> Are there any oral comments on this?

3080
02:43:52,880 --> 02:43:55,359
>> No. Does anybody need to hear a staff

3081
02:43:55,359 --> 02:43:56,720
report?

3082
02:43:56,720 --> 02:43:58,560
>> I'll make a motion to move the item.

3083
02:43:58,560 --> 02:44:00,880
>> Motion by council member, second by

3084
02:44:00,880 --> 02:44:03,600
Mayor Prom Nobel. All in favor? I

3085
02:44:03,600 --> 02:44:08,950
>> pass 5-0.

3086
02:44:08,960 --> 02:44:10,160
» Lobster cops.

3087
02:44:10,160 --> 02:44:10,800
>> Okay.

3088
02:44:10,800 --> 02:44:13,840
>> The new reality show.

3089
02:44:13,840 --> 02:44:15,760
Next item on the agenda is consideration

3090
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:18,800
of resolution number 26-136

3091
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:20,399
approving the arts and culture committee

3092
02:44:20,399 --> 02:44:25,439
fiscal year 20 26 27 work plan.

3093
02:44:25,439 --> 02:44:27,920
>> Okay. Um

3094
02:44:27,920 --> 02:44:31,120
do we need a a staff report on this

3095
02:44:31,120 --> 02:44:33,279
item?

3096
02:44:33,279 --> 02:44:35,279
>> Okay. With with that uh are there any

3097
02:44:35,279 --> 02:44:35,920
public comment?

3098
02:44:35,920 --> 02:44:36,640
>> Yes, there are.

3099
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:38,000
>> Okay. Let's go ahead and hear the public

3100
02:44:38,000 --> 02:44:38,479
comment.

3101
02:44:38,479 --> 02:44:40,240
>> Okay. Michael Wesburg followed by

3102
02:44:40,240 --> 02:44:49,590
Sherman Fowler.

3103
02:44:49,600 --> 02:44:52,080
Good evening. Uh I'm Michael Wexburg,

3104
02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:53,600
recently appointed to the Arts and

3105
02:44:53,600 --> 02:44:56,960
Culture Committee. I helped work on the

3106
02:44:56,960 --> 02:44:58,560
uh the work plan that you're

3107
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:01,120
considering. However, today I'm just

3108
02:45:01,120 --> 02:45:02,880
speaking for myself and not for the

3109
02:45:02,880 --> 02:45:06,880
committee. And I encourage you to um I

3110
02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:11,200
guess accept the um the resolution.

3111
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:14,479
uh so that the work on the amphitheater

3112
02:45:14,479 --> 02:45:17,920
remains part of our job jar uh on the

3113
02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:19,920
committee because there's specific

3114
02:45:19,920 --> 02:45:22,479
expertise that committee members have

3115
02:45:22,479 --> 02:45:25,600
that aren't elsewhere available and uh

3116
02:45:25,600 --> 02:45:28,720
believe we can help uh steer that effort

3117
02:45:28,720 --> 02:45:32,720
and make it happen more quickly. Uh next

3118
02:45:32,720 --> 02:45:34,240
slide.

3119
02:45:34,240 --> 02:45:36,640
I started working on this a little bit

3120
02:45:36,640 --> 02:45:39,120
after I was appointed to the committee.

3121
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:41,760
I wanted to come up with a process for

3122
02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:44,479
how we'd select between sites and figure

3123
02:45:44,479 --> 02:45:47,040
out what it needed to do. I wanted to

3124
02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:48,640
come up with something solid to hand

3125
02:45:48,640 --> 02:45:52,800
over to uh the city manager and staff to

3126
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:56,800
uh go forward with. Next slide. So I I

3127
02:45:56,800 --> 02:45:59,840
visited a bunch of sites in the city

3128
02:45:59,840 --> 02:46:03,760
uh uh and did an evaluation. I used some

3129
02:46:03,760 --> 02:46:08,240
AI tools to help me and uh one of the

3130
02:46:08,240 --> 02:46:10,960
places I didn't visit was Forester Ranch

3131
02:46:10,960 --> 02:46:12,640
because I initially thought it was too

3132
02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:15,680
small. But after the council meeting on

3133
02:46:15,680 --> 02:46:18,800
the 4th uh and I saw what you did there,

3134
02:46:18,800 --> 02:46:21,600
I did visit Forester Ranch

3135
02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:24,399
um and did some of the same thing I did

3136
02:46:24,399 --> 02:46:28,080
for the other sites. Uh these are some

3137
02:46:28,080 --> 02:46:30,800
of the advantages and disadvantages.

3138
02:46:30,800 --> 02:46:34,160
uh mainly their limitations in size and

3139
02:46:34,160 --> 02:46:37,760
time of uh uh available to do things.

3140
02:46:37,760 --> 02:46:39,600
Next slide.

3141
02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:42,560
Uh but I did go through it looks like it

3142
02:46:42,560 --> 02:46:45,920
is suitable for around a 300 uh seat

3143
02:46:45,920 --> 02:46:47,760
amphitheater.

3144
02:46:47,760 --> 02:46:51,520
Um uh this is a con an AI image of a

3145
02:46:51,520 --> 02:46:55,040
concept. Uh so you should be aware of

3146
02:46:55,040 --> 02:46:57,200
that and it's not complete but it gives

3147
02:46:57,200 --> 02:47:00,000
you an idea of what might be done there.

3148
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:04,240
Um there are issues mainly with uh ADA

3149
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:06,160
requirements and parking that need to be

3150
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:10,240
considered. Next slide. Uh I also came

3151
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:12,800
up with uh some ideas for an execution

3152
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:16,000
strategy in a couple of phases. Next

3153
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:17,760
slide.

3154
02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:20,160
And uh I also

3155
02:47:20,160 --> 02:47:22,319
uh queried about potential funding

3156
02:47:22,319 --> 02:47:24,000
sources

3157
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:26,319
uh for this sort of a project and it

3158
02:47:26,319 --> 02:47:28,960
came up with a list and there's some

3159
02:47:28,960 --> 02:47:31,040
other searches that I did. These are

3160
02:47:31,040 --> 02:47:34,640
beyond just the the city funds.

3161
02:47:34,640 --> 02:47:36,960
So next slide.

3162
02:47:36,960 --> 02:47:39,439
Uh so I'm encouraging you to retain this

3163
02:47:39,439 --> 02:47:41,040
task within the arts and culture

3164
02:47:41,040 --> 02:47:43,520
committee. Uh we have things and I'm not

3165
02:47:43,520 --> 02:47:45,840
just speaking about myself but other

3166
02:47:45,840 --> 02:47:48,960
members on the committee have expertise

3167
02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:51,760
to help guide this. We can support the

3168
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:54,000
effort that you've already assigned.

3169
02:47:54,000 --> 02:47:57,936
>> Thanks Mike.

3170
02:47:57,946 --> 02:47:58,560
[clears throat]

3171
02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:07,750
>> Next speaker is Sherman Fowler.

3172
02:48:07,760 --> 02:48:10,640
» Mayor city council. Uh, I just want to

3173
02:48:10,640 --> 02:48:12,960
say I'm here um as the chairman for the

3174
02:48:12,960 --> 02:48:15,200
arts and culture committee. I would like

3175
02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:17,200
for you to take in consideration that

3176
02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:19,040
when it comes to art, in order to be

3177
02:48:19,040 --> 02:48:20,240
proficient at art, you have to be

3178
02:48:20,240 --> 02:48:22,160
committed. And that means putting in the

3179
02:48:22,160 --> 02:48:24,800
time. And so, uh, as you can see in in

3180
02:48:24,800 --> 02:48:27,600
Michael's u presentation, um, it's on

3181
02:48:27,600 --> 02:48:30,160
his dime. He put in the time. So I ask

3182
02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:33,040
that you um let the arts and culture

3183
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:35,120
committee to continue its task because

3184
02:48:35,120 --> 02:48:37,520
we were tasked to actually be a brain

3185
02:48:37,520 --> 02:48:38,640
trust for you when it comes to

3186
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:41,359
creativity for the city. So to task us

3187
02:48:41,359 --> 02:48:43,520
with a um to go out and bring

3188
02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:45,680
information to you so you can reevaluate

3189
02:48:45,680 --> 02:48:48,960
would would be a slap in the face to

3190
02:48:48,960 --> 02:48:51,279
take that off of our workbook because we

3191
02:48:51,279 --> 02:48:53,040
brought it to the workbook. We voted on

3192
02:48:53,040 --> 02:48:55,359
it. We moved on it. We committed to it

3193
02:48:55,359 --> 02:48:57,520
and we act on it. And tonight, I'd like

3194
02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:01,520
to ask you to act on our workbook and

3195
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:04,800
continue to allow your arts and culture

3196
02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:08,720
committee to be involved in this uh

3197
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:11,120
amphitheater project because I would

3198
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:14,640
also like to ask you to see us, the arts

3199
02:49:14,640 --> 02:49:17,760
and culture committee, because we are

3200
02:49:17,760 --> 02:49:20,240
your brain trust when it comes to

3201
02:49:20,240 --> 02:49:23,120
creativity and the arts for San

3202
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:24,479
Clemente. Thank you.

3203
02:49:24,479 --> 02:49:26,560
>> Thank you, Sherman.

3204
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:27,680
Is that all the comments?

3205
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:28,800
>> That is all the comments.

3206
02:49:28,800 --> 02:49:30,800
>> Okay. You have any discussion?

3207
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:34,000
>> Uh yeah, mayor. Um I'd like to make a u

3208
02:49:34,000 --> 02:49:37,600
well it's it's rare to see well um to

3209
02:49:37,600 --> 02:49:41,359
see some newly uh appointed committee

3210
02:49:41,359 --> 02:49:43,760
member just put in the time and start

3211
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:50,080
working immediately. And so that's the effort I appreciate. I think

3212
02:49:50,080 --> 02:49:53,200
the the committee is an advisor to the

3213
02:49:53,200 --> 02:49:56,240
security council. So I don't think it

3214
02:49:56,240 --> 02:50:00,640
will it would hurt just to keep that

3215
02:50:00,640 --> 02:50:03,053
item on their work plan and so keep

3216
02:50:03,053 --> 02:50:05,120
[snorts] them engaged because they can

3217
02:50:05,120 --> 02:50:07,840
be helping hands to the to the council

3218
02:50:07,840 --> 02:50:10,319
while the council is taking the control

3219
02:50:10,319 --> 02:50:12,560
of the direction they can assist the

3220
02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:16,319
council. So with that, I'd I'd like to

3221
02:50:16,319 --> 02:50:18,640
uh make a motion to adopt the resolution

3222
02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:24,150
number 26136

3223
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:27,439
without without a removal of the

3224
02:50:27,439 --> 02:50:31,510
uh amphitheater component.

3225
02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:34,240
» comment. Sure.

3226
02:50:34,240 --> 02:50:36,319
>> Yeah. Um

3227
02:50:36,319 --> 02:50:38,880
I I I appreciate the members coming

3228
02:50:38,880 --> 02:50:40,960
here. I appreciate the work that that

3229
02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:45,920
you've done on this matter. Uh it's uh

3230
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:49,840
it is uh it looks like you're it's

3231
02:50:49,840 --> 02:50:51,760
something you really want to do and and

3232
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:55,200
are engaged in and we appreciate that.

3233
02:50:55,200 --> 02:50:59,600
Uh and I I would uh believe I I believe

3234
02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:02,000
that you know your your your commitment

3235
02:51:02,000 --> 02:51:05,520
to to pursuing this is something uh I I

3236
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:07,840
could support. Uh because I I I think

3237
02:51:07,840 --> 02:51:10,080
whenever we get someone that actually

3238
02:51:10,080 --> 02:51:13,120
sees the project now that's been

3239
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:16,080
identified, they can develop a vision.

3240
02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:18,479
Uh we're put the effort and time into

3241
02:51:18,479 --> 02:51:20,240
it. I think uh you're we're at the right

3242
02:51:20,240 --> 02:51:24,240
point. So I I think uh uh I I support

3243
02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:29,760
you guys uh continuing with that that effort.

3244
02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:33,040
>> Any other comments?

3245
02:51:33,040 --> 02:51:34,880
So, I I do appreciate all the work you

3246
02:51:34,880 --> 02:51:37,680
have done on this and it it is it is

3247
02:51:37,680 --> 02:51:41,359
incredibly apparent how much passion you have in it and it is incredibly

3248
02:51:41,359 --> 02:51:44,240
appreciated. Um, I do believe at this

3249
02:51:44,240 --> 02:51:47,200
point because the council voted on this

3250
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:50,800
two weeks ago uh to give this to staff

3251
02:51:50,800 --> 02:51:54,399
that as as well as the job that you are

3252
02:51:54,399 --> 02:51:56,479
doing on it, I believe that the staff

3253
02:51:56,479 --> 02:51:58,640
can expedite this and I would love to

3254
02:51:58,640 --> 02:52:03,279
see staff still reaching out to you and getting your opinion on on certain

3255
02:52:03,279 --> 02:52:04,800
uh

3256
02:52:04,800 --> 02:52:07,359
aspects of it. But as a whole for the

3257
02:52:07,359 --> 02:52:10,080
project, uh I believe to get this done

3258
02:52:10,080 --> 02:52:11,680
quickly and efficiently, we need to hand

3259
02:52:11,680 --> 02:52:13,520
it over to staff. That was the direction

3260
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:14,720
of the council.

3261
02:52:14,720 --> 02:52:17,359
>> Yeah. Uh I I agree real quick. The thing

3262
02:52:17,359 --> 02:52:18,960
is there's obviously an appetite for an

3263
02:52:18,960 --> 02:52:20,960
amphitheater and we came to some kind of

3264
02:52:20,960 --> 02:52:22,560
proposal that we could actually bring to

3265
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:27,120
fruition. Uh I I I love Mike's drawings

3266
02:52:27,120 --> 02:52:28,800
and I I'd like to have more of

3267
02:52:28,800 --> 02:52:30,640
conversation with him. Uh let me ask a

3268
02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:33,840
quick question before we go on. uh our

3269
02:52:33,840 --> 02:52:36,800
director of beaches and parks. Um as we

3270
02:52:36,800 --> 02:52:39,279
move forward with this and I I'd like to

3271
02:52:39,279 --> 02:52:41,359
move forward with it. Could you still

3272
02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:44,160
accept some an ad hoc from your arts and

3273
02:52:44,160 --> 02:52:46,560
culture committee? I I I mean Mike's

3274
02:52:46,560 --> 02:52:48,319
drawings are great, you know, and I

3275
02:52:48,319 --> 02:52:51,040
think it might actually enhance our as

3276
02:52:51,040 --> 02:52:53,120
we as we go forward. Uh is that

3277
02:52:53,120 --> 02:52:55,120
something that's possible to do still

3278
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:57,200
even if it's not on their work plan per

3279
02:52:57,200 --> 02:52:59,760
se? Okay. Uh well, I think that that

3280
02:52:59,760 --> 02:53:01,920
gives us an opportunity. The thing is,

3281
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:04,319
well, we've how how long have the 24

3282
02:53:04,319 --> 02:53:06,960
pickle ball courts been on our our our

3283
02:53:06,960 --> 02:53:08,880
plan, our general plan? How how many

3284
02:53:08,880 --> 02:53:10,560
years has that been?

3285
02:53:10,560 --> 02:53:12,080
>> 2023.

3286
02:53:12,080 --> 02:53:14,160
Okay. So, six years. And And we're

3287
02:53:14,160 --> 02:53:16,160
no closer to having that than than we

3288
02:53:16,160 --> 02:53:18,720
were then. The issue with going in and

3289
02:53:18,720 --> 02:53:21,920
having a grandiose plan is if we know we

3290
02:53:21,920 --> 02:53:24,399
can't fund it, then then we have

3291
02:53:24,399 --> 02:53:26,319
nothing. And I think this gives us an

3292
02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:28,080
opportunity to build something because

3293
02:53:28,080 --> 02:53:29,920
there is an appetite. I think it still

3294
02:53:29,920 --> 02:53:32,000
gives the uh arts and culture committee

3295
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:34,240
a chance to to weigh in on probably what

3296
02:53:34,240 --> 02:53:36,240
it should look like. And also once it's

3297
02:53:36,240 --> 02:53:37,920
built, it gives the uh arts and culture

3298
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:39,680
committee a chance to say what can we

3299
02:53:39,680 --> 02:53:41,680
perform there? And so and I don't think

3300
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:43,520
that needs to be necessarily on on their

3301
02:53:43,520 --> 02:53:45,200
work plan to do that could be part of

3302
02:53:45,200 --> 02:53:47,120
the cultural experience in San Clemeni.

3303
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:48,800
What can what can we do? What kind of

3304
02:53:48,800 --> 02:53:51,600
performances we can we do? So with that,

3305
02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:53,760
I I just don't I think we can move

3306
02:53:53,760 --> 02:53:55,200
forward this quickly and actually have

3307
02:53:55,200 --> 02:53:56,399
something. I mean, look, if this becomes

3308
02:53:56,399 --> 02:53:58,479
really really popular and we see a need,

3309
02:53:58,479 --> 02:54:00,240
then I think we would all have an

3310
02:54:00,240 --> 02:54:02,000
appetite to say, well, do we need

3311
02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:04,560
something bigger? Do we need a groundup

3312
02:54:04,560 --> 02:54:07,120
uh construction? And and at that time,

3313
02:54:07,120 --> 02:54:09,439
we could put it back on their work plan.

3314
02:54:09,439 --> 02:54:12,160
And I think uh I just think that the way

3315
02:54:12,160 --> 02:54:13,600
I think we're moving from the work plan

3316
02:54:13,600 --> 02:54:15,920
now so we can move forward on this so we

3317
02:54:15,920 --> 02:54:17,680
don't have to go back to the committee

3318
02:54:17,680 --> 02:54:19,600
and then where next to the arts and or

3319
02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:21,920
the design and review committee and the

3320
02:54:21,920 --> 02:54:23,439
so we're going to be two years before we

3321
02:54:23,439 --> 02:54:25,760
ever see this and and I'd just like to

3322
02:54:25,760 --> 02:54:27,359
see us go forward on it now because I

3323
02:54:27,359 --> 02:54:29,279
think there is a need for this uh for

3324
02:54:29,279 --> 02:54:30,880
this facility that's

3325
02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:32,880
>> man while we're working on the design

3326
02:54:32,880 --> 02:54:36,000
and the the awesome cultural committee

3327
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:38,960
can help us to to develop a program of

3328
02:54:38,960 --> 02:54:40,640
uh

3329
02:54:40,640 --> 02:54:41,520
on the site.

3330
02:54:41,520 --> 02:54:42,720
>> I I Yeah,

3331
02:54:42,720 --> 02:54:44,560
>> maybe we can have them to work.

3332
02:54:44,560 --> 02:54:46,800
>> Yes, we can. I think I made that that

3333
02:54:46,800 --> 02:54:48,319
comment. And I think how many people are

3334
02:54:48,319 --> 02:54:50,240
on the arts and culture committee?

3335
02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:50,720
>> Seven.

3336
02:54:50,720 --> 02:54:52,880
So, they can come up with uh with

3337
02:54:52,880 --> 02:54:54,479
three of them, right? They could be on a

3338
02:54:54,479 --> 02:54:56,399
subcommittee that could work with you

3339
02:54:56,399 --> 02:54:58,640
directly for that. I think I think that

3340
02:54:58,640 --> 02:55:01,040
they should, but that still keeps our

3341
02:55:01,040 --> 02:55:03,200
keeps the progress going on this so we

3342
02:55:03,200 --> 02:55:05,600
can actually see it sometime. So, I'd

3343
02:55:05,600 --> 02:55:07,200
like to see a Christmas carol done at

3344
02:55:07,200 --> 02:55:09,520
the uh, you know, amphitheater there

3345
02:55:09,520 --> 02:55:10,960
sometime in December, maybe. You never

3346
02:55:10,960 --> 02:55:12,240
can tell. We might be able to make it

3347
02:55:12,240 --> 02:55:14,160
happen. So, that's my feeling. I I don't

3348
02:55:14,160 --> 02:55:16,479
think having on on the uh work plan or

3349
02:55:16,479 --> 02:55:17,920
off the work plan keeps them from

3350
02:55:17,920 --> 02:55:19,840
participating while still having the

3351
02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:21,760
program go forward. That's my feeling.

3352
02:55:21,760 --> 02:55:23,439
>> Yeah, I agree. I I think they will be an

3353
02:55:23,439 --> 02:55:25,120
integral part of everything we do going

3354
02:55:25,120 --> 02:55:26,319
forward. They're the they're the

3355
02:55:26,319 --> 02:55:28,560
experts. I I think the the council's

3356
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:30,720
again, as you said, recognized a need

3357
02:55:30,720 --> 02:55:34,720
and appetite for an amphitheater. we've identified a location and and

3358
02:55:34,720 --> 02:55:38,479
moving forward and I like the work that the pres the work that was

3359
02:55:38,479 --> 02:55:40,560
presented uh Michael

3360
02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:42,319
>> but I'm not sure I I like the idea of a

3361
02:55:42,319 --> 02:55:44,479
development fee to pay for it but uh I

3362
02:55:44,479 --> 02:55:46,560
there are the resources but uh but uh

3363
02:55:46,560 --> 02:55:48,240
clearly they'll be partnering as we move

3364
02:55:48,240 --> 02:55:48,960
forward

3365
02:55:48,960 --> 02:55:50,800
>> absolutely so I think we're on the same

3366
02:55:50,800 --> 02:55:53,040
page but h how do we go about

3367
02:55:53,040 --> 02:55:54,880
>> well I think what we do I think somebody

3368
02:55:54,880 --> 02:55:57,040
needs to make a motion that we that we

3369
02:55:57,040 --> 02:55:59,840
uh that we pass this resolution with the

3370
02:55:59,840 --> 02:56:02,000
uh the work plan implement from the arts

3371
02:56:02,000 --> 02:56:03,520
and culture are coming off but with

3372
02:56:03,520 --> 02:56:06,160
direction to the staff that they will uh

3373
02:56:06,160 --> 02:56:08,399
have a ad hoc committee from the arts

3374
02:56:08,399 --> 02:56:10,479
and culture participate in this project.

3375
02:56:10,479 --> 02:56:11,920
>> That's a motion. I second it.

3376
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:13,439
>> Okay. That that was my motion.

3377
02:56:13,439 --> 02:56:14,319
>> Second it. [laughter]

3378
02:56:14,319 --> 02:56:16,399
>> Okay.

3379
02:56:16,399 --> 02:56:18,000
Just to be clear, you are making the

3380
02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:20,880
motion to adopt resolution number 26136

3381
02:56:20,880 --> 02:56:24,080
with the with the uh attachment of

3382
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:26,160
having an ad hoc committee from the arts

3383
02:56:26,160 --> 02:56:27,520
and culture to support

3384
02:56:27,520 --> 02:56:29,279
>> removing it from the arts and cultural

3385
02:56:29,279 --> 02:56:31,920
committee work plan but with the

3386
02:56:31,920 --> 02:56:34,880
implementation of a hadoc ad hoc

3387
02:56:34,880 --> 02:56:36,160
committee to work with our director of

3388
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:37,279
beaches and parks.

3389
02:56:37,279 --> 02:56:39,120
>> So that was my motion. Is that a second

3390
02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:41,359
by council member Cabraw? All in favor?

3391
02:56:41,359 --> 02:56:44,240
I passes 5-0.

3392
02:56:44,240 --> 02:56:45,600
Thank you.

3393
02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:48,960
>> Okay. Next item on the agenda is the

3394
02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:50,880
city position on a resolution being

3395
02:56:50,880 --> 02:56:52,560
considered by the League of California

3396
02:56:52,560 --> 02:56:56,560
Cities at the 2026 annual conference.

3397
02:56:56,560 --> 02:56:59,840
And um at at your last meeting, council

3398
02:56:59,840 --> 02:57:03,359
voted to appoint Council Member Inmmyer

3399
02:57:03,359 --> 02:57:05,359
to serve as the city's voting delegate

3400
02:57:05,359 --> 02:57:07,680
at the 2026 annual general assembly

3401
02:57:07,680 --> 02:57:09,359
meeting at the League of California

3402
02:57:09,359 --> 02:57:12,319
Cities annual conference. And subsequent

3403
02:57:12,319 --> 02:57:14,479
to that decision, the league has sent

3404
02:57:14,479 --> 02:57:17,040
out what will be considered at that

3405
02:57:17,040 --> 02:57:18,720
general assembly. And it's a resolution

3406
02:57:18,720 --> 02:57:20,479
of the general assembly of the League of

3407
02:57:20,479 --> 02:57:22,160
California Cities calling for a working

3408
02:57:22,160 --> 02:57:24,160
group to consider a state constitutional

3409
02:57:24,160 --> 02:57:26,560
amendment or other form of initiative to

3410
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:28,560
ensure final local authority over

3411
02:57:28,560 --> 02:57:30,560
housing and land use decisions.

3412
02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:32,479
>> Do we have Oh, are we done? I'm sorry.

3413
02:57:32,479 --> 02:57:34,399
>> That's it. And it just council needs to

3414
02:57:34,399 --> 02:57:36,640
decide whether or not to support uh this

3415
02:57:36,640 --> 02:57:37,359
resolution.

3416
02:57:37,359 --> 02:57:38,880
>> Okay. Do you have any public comments?

3417
02:57:38,880 --> 02:57:39,600
>> We do not.

3418
02:57:39,600 --> 02:57:42,800
>> Okay. Can we do this with consensus if

3419
02:57:42,800 --> 02:57:45,120
on on this if if we're in consensus that

3420
02:57:45,120 --> 02:57:47,279
we should support this? Is that enough?

3421
02:57:47,279 --> 02:57:49,439
>> I'm in I'm consent.

3422
02:57:49,439 --> 02:57:50,640
>> Are we supportive of this?

3423
02:57:50,640 --> 02:57:52,560
>> As long as it does not contradict your

3424
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:54,399
own

3425
02:57:54,399 --> 02:57:56,399
the consensus that we are that

3426
02:57:56,399 --> 02:57:57,920
supporting the resolution.

3427
02:57:57,920 --> 02:58:01,359
>> Yes. I I agree. As long as the

3428
02:58:01,359 --> 02:58:02,960
discussion about a constitutional

3429
02:58:02,960 --> 02:58:05,200
amendment doesn't drift beyond the issue

3430
02:58:05,200 --> 02:58:06,640
in front. Well, I think it's I think

3431
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:08,640
it's the resol [laughter] it's just a

3432
02:58:08,640 --> 02:58:10,800
resolution that the Cal Cities will come

3433
02:58:10,800 --> 02:58:13,040
up with a committee to discuss a

3434
02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:15,760
constit. It's like do we want to be in

3435
02:58:15,760 --> 02:58:18,640
support of having a committee being

3436
02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:21,120
formed under Cal Cities to look at a

3437
02:58:21,120 --> 02:58:23,520
possible constitutional amendment?

3438
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:25,120
>> Yeah, that's the resolution.

3439
02:58:25,120 --> 02:58:26,720
>> And you you'll be there the three days

3440
02:58:26,720 --> 02:58:27,680
for to

3441
02:58:27,680 --> 02:58:29,200
>> I will be there three days.

3442
02:58:29,200 --> 02:58:29,840
>> Yeah.

3443
02:58:29,840 --> 02:58:30,640
>> Okay.

3444
02:58:30,640 --> 02:58:32,720
We have a consensus. Is that a

3445
02:58:32,720 --> 02:58:33,120
consensus?

3446
02:58:33,120 --> 02:58:35,680
>> Is that enough? We support it. Okay,

3447
02:58:35,680 --> 02:58:36,880
thank you. Moving on.

3448
02:58:36,880 --> 02:58:39,520
>> Get a lot of votes. [laughter]

3449
02:58:39,520 --> 02:58:40,800
>> I'm going to make you wear a sandwich

3450
02:58:40,800 --> 02:58:44,399
sign and walk around. Support this.

3451
02:58:44,399 --> 02:58:47,680
>> Moving on to uh Sorry, my

3452
02:58:47,680 --> 02:58:48,560
>> Are we in

3453
02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:51,520
>> consent calendar? Yes.

3454
02:58:51,520 --> 02:58:53,840
>> Okay. Has the public asked to pull any

3455
02:58:53,840 --> 02:58:54,640
items?

3456
02:58:54,640 --> 02:58:55,760
>> 11D.

3457
02:58:55,760 --> 02:58:58,960
is in David public. Any council

3458
02:58:58,960 --> 02:59:00,960
members wish to pull an item?

3459
02:59:00,960 --> 02:59:05,439
>> I'd like to pull 11 H. 11H from council

3460
02:59:05,439 --> 02:59:10,389
member Cabraw

3461
02:59:10,399 --> 02:59:13,990
» else

3462
02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:15,200
move the balance unless there are any

3463
02:59:15,200 --> 02:59:15,520
other

3464
02:59:15,520 --> 02:59:17,920
>> okay motion by mayor prom no second by

3465
02:59:17,920 --> 02:59:21,040
councilmire in favor I okay now we'll

3466
02:59:21,040 --> 02:59:23,680
hear the comment on 11D

3467
02:59:23,680 --> 02:59:26,640
>> 11D

3468
02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:29,359
uh first speaker is Amanda Kinttonia

3469
02:59:29,359 --> 02:59:35,110
followed by Barbara Miller

3470
02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:38,720
Um hello. I was reminded by a wonderful

3471
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:40,960
San Clemeni resident, a longtime Skele

3472
02:59:40,960 --> 02:59:42,960
resident that when this was first

3473
02:59:42,960 --> 02:59:46,640
presented um before the city council

3474
02:59:46,640 --> 02:59:50,319
that uh there was a condition that cars

3475
02:59:50,319 --> 02:59:53,760
would be removed or hauled away if there

3476
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:57,200
were complaints. And so I wanted to

3477
02:59:57,200 --> 02:59:59,600
remind you of that because there was

3478
02:59:59,600 --> 03:00:01,760
conversations or discussion among the

3479
03:00:01,760 --> 03:00:05,200
city council that uh you know moving 100

3480
03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:07,920
ft would only have to be uh if there was

3481
03:00:07,920 --> 03:00:12,080
any complaints um because I I I think

3482
03:00:12,080 --> 03:00:14,640
what it came down to is that um certain

3483
03:00:14,640 --> 03:00:16,640
residents could complain, oh this car

3484
03:00:16,640 --> 03:00:19,040
has been here for for 72 hours when it

3485
03:00:19,040 --> 03:00:22,160
hasn't. So there I would have to be a

3486
03:00:22,160 --> 03:00:25,200
complaint to our deputies regarding that

3487
03:00:25,200 --> 03:00:27,120
this has been this car has been here for

3488
03:00:27,120 --> 03:00:29,920
72 hours. So that's where I'm I'm

3489
03:00:29,920 --> 03:00:32,880
concerned about. Um so I don't know in

3490
03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:35,680
this resolution if it does say regarding

3491
03:00:35,680 --> 03:00:38,399
complaints or if it addresses it. So I

3492
03:00:38,399 --> 03:00:40,880
just wanted to make sure of that. Um

3493
03:00:40,880 --> 03:00:43,359
because I know sometimes uh residents

3494
03:00:43,359 --> 03:00:44,720
could say oh yeah that car has been

3495
03:00:44,720 --> 03:00:47,520
parked but that person's been move you

3496
03:00:47,520 --> 03:00:50,880
know has gone and moved and you know if

3497
03:00:50,880 --> 03:00:55,840
that space is there you know there's proof or um that they have

3498
03:00:55,840 --> 03:00:58,640
moved. Um sorry I'm not really speaking

3499
03:00:58,640 --> 03:01:01,760
that clearly. There have been situations

3500
03:01:01,760 --> 03:01:06,319
on our street where a car has been moved

3501
03:01:06,319 --> 03:01:08,720
and other residents have said, "Oh, no,

3502
03:01:08,720 --> 03:01:10,960
that car hasn't been moved." But there

3503
03:01:10,960 --> 03:01:13,120
is documentation to prove yes, that it

3504
03:01:13,120 --> 03:01:15,120
was moved. So, I don't want this to be a

3505
03:01:15,120 --> 03:01:16,880
retaliatory

3506
03:01:16,880 --> 03:01:22,000
um uh uh ordinance to where it does

3507
03:01:22,000 --> 03:01:24,000
become retaliatory.

3508
03:01:24,000 --> 03:01:26,720
um you know someone reporting it to the

3509
03:01:26,720 --> 03:01:29,200
deputies they would come out here come

3510
03:01:29,200 --> 03:01:32,479
out to the residents mark the car and

3511
03:01:32,479 --> 03:01:35,680
then 72 hours then if it wasn't moved

3512
03:01:35,680 --> 03:01:38,080
then they would get hauled away. So I

3513
03:01:38,080 --> 03:01:39,920
just wanted to make sure if there was a

3514
03:01:39,920 --> 03:01:43,120
complaint system in place and uh that it

3515
03:01:43,120 --> 03:01:44,560
would follow that.

3516
03:01:44,560 --> 03:01:46,240
>> Thank you madam. I think that's it.

3517
03:01:46,240 --> 03:01:48,160
>> And and chief, just for clarification,

3518
03:01:48,160 --> 03:01:50,560
not the distance has changed 100 ft, but

3519
03:01:50,560 --> 03:01:52,479
the they still come out and mark it and

3520
03:01:52,479 --> 03:01:54,640
make note exactly where the car was

3521
03:01:54,640 --> 03:01:58,560
parked, right? I I mean, so

3522
03:01:58,560 --> 03:02:00,640
isn't that how it still works?

3523
03:02:00,640 --> 03:02:01,920
>> Yes, sir. That is accurate.

3524
03:02:01,920 --> 03:02:03,920
>> Okay. So, it would they would know

3525
03:02:03,920 --> 03:02:06,240
whether it was moved 100 ft or not in 72

3526
03:02:06,240 --> 03:02:07,200
hours or not.

3527
03:02:07,200 --> 03:02:09,040
>> Correct. The only issue is if they moved

3528
03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:10,800
100 ft and came right back to the same

3529
03:02:10,800 --> 03:02:12,800
spot,

3530
03:02:12,800 --> 03:02:15,200
>> parked in the exact same spot. Yes, sir.

3531
03:02:15,200 --> 03:02:17,200
All right. Thank you. But that would be

3532
03:02:17,200 --> 03:02:18,880
the same and moving it six inches

3533
03:02:18,880 --> 03:02:19,840
though, right?

3534
03:02:19,840 --> 03:02:20,479
>> Yes, sir.

3535
03:02:20,479 --> 03:02:22,240
>> Okay. All right. Thank you. And was

3536
03:02:22,240 --> 03:02:23,520
there another speaker on this?

3537
03:02:23,520 --> 03:02:24,319
>> Barbara Miller.

3538
03:02:24,319 --> 03:02:29,269
>> Barbara.

3539
03:02:29,279 --> 03:02:33,040
» Hello. And I agree with Amanda. Nothing

3540
03:02:33,040 --> 03:02:36,160
is meant to be retaliatory. We just

3541
03:02:36,160 --> 03:02:38,160
thank you so much for recognizing that

3542
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:41,920
this ordinance is very important and we

3543
03:02:41,920 --> 03:02:44,399
really appreciate you passing it and it

3544
03:02:44,399 --> 03:02:45,760
keeps us in line with the other

3545
03:02:45,760 --> 03:02:47,120
neighborhoods and the other communities

3546
03:02:47,120 --> 03:02:48,720
and cities around us that have passed

3547
03:02:48,720 --> 03:02:50,720
this too.

3548
03:02:50,720 --> 03:02:53,120
We want clean, safe streets, so we

3549
03:02:53,120 --> 03:02:55,200
appreciate you doing this and nothing to

3550
03:02:55,200 --> 03:02:56,880
be retaliatory. We love our neighbors.

3551
03:02:56,880 --> 03:02:59,439
We just want clean, safe streets. Thank

3552
03:02:59,439 --> 03:02:59,840
you.

3553
03:02:59,840 --> 03:03:01,840
>> Thank you, Barbara.

3554
03:03:01,840 --> 03:03:02,399
Okay,

3555
03:03:02,399 --> 03:03:04,319
>> I'll make a motion to adopt ordinance

3556
03:03:04,319 --> 03:03:06,000
number 1811.

3557
03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:08,800
>> Motion by council member Mire.

3558
03:03:08,800 --> 03:03:10,399
>> I'll second it. All in favor?

3559
03:03:10,399 --> 03:03:15,200
>> I passes 5 0 one or 11H from Victor

3560
03:03:15,200 --> 03:03:15,680
Pulvic.

3561
03:03:15,680 --> 03:03:18,080
>> Yeah, this is an item I would like to

3562
03:03:18,080 --> 03:03:21,120
table at this time. And let me let me

3563
03:03:21,120 --> 03:03:22,560
explain why we don't have any staff

3564
03:03:22,560 --> 03:03:24,880
here, but so I'll explain. We're

3565
03:03:24,880 --> 03:03:26,399
currently reviewing proposals.

3566
03:03:26,399 --> 03:03:28,479
>> Oh, wait. We we do have a staff here if

3567
03:03:28,479 --> 03:03:31,920
you need some I think Samantha's still

3568
03:03:31,920 --> 03:03:32,240
here.

3569
03:03:32,240 --> 03:03:33,200
>> I'll explain it.

3570
03:03:33,200 --> 03:03:34,720
>> Oh. Oh. So you you blame it on staff

3571
03:03:34,720 --> 03:03:35,920
being here, but you don't not being

3572
03:03:35,920 --> 03:03:36,880
here, but you don't really want to talk

3573
03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:37,760
to them. Is that it?

3574
03:03:37,760 --> 03:03:39,359
>> I don't. [laughter]

3575
03:03:39,359 --> 03:03:40,560
We talked all day.

3576
03:03:40,560 --> 03:03:42,800
>> Okay. No. So So we are currently

3577
03:03:42,800 --> 03:03:47,840
reviewing proposals uh uh uh for for the

3578
03:03:47,840 --> 03:03:50,240
golf course implementation. There's

3579
03:03:50,240 --> 03:03:52,160
several parts to to to what we're

3580
03:03:52,160 --> 03:03:54,000
looking at, what we're we're we're

3581
03:03:54,000 --> 03:03:56,640
asking the companies to bid on. Yeah.

3582
03:03:56,640 --> 03:04:05,680
The operation of the golf course, the store. One of the elements is the range. Uh and we've asked them to

3583
03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:08,640
put together a bid on the range to say

3584
03:04:08,640 --> 03:04:10,399
how would you change it? Uh what would

3585
03:04:10,399 --> 03:04:13,040
you do to modify it? Uh how would you

3586
03:04:13,040 --> 03:04:14,560
make it more profitable? How would you

3587
03:04:14,560 --> 03:04:16,319
improve the grass, the balls,

3588
03:04:16,319 --> 03:04:18,960
everything? But uh included in that

3589
03:04:18,960 --> 03:04:20,960
would be their proposal to say okay we

3590
03:04:20,960 --> 03:04:24,000
will do A b C and D and we want this

3591
03:04:24,000 --> 03:04:27,120
percentage of the profits and the city

3592
03:04:27,120 --> 03:04:29,600
could take another percentage but here

3593
03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:33,120
we're spending $300,000

3594
03:04:33,120 --> 03:04:37,200
in advance of of them even committing to

3595
03:04:37,200 --> 03:04:39,600
do anything. And so I would rather see

3596
03:04:39,600 --> 03:04:44,960
if there's a company out there that and they may they're they're evaluating

3597
03:04:44,960 --> 03:04:47,040
they may look and say we will do it but

3598
03:04:47,040 --> 03:04:49,040
we want the profits or bigger portion of

3599
03:04:49,040 --> 03:04:52,319
the profits. So rather than us commit

3600
03:04:52,319 --> 03:04:55,600
let us finish a process of reviewing uh

3601
03:04:55,600 --> 03:04:57,200
all the proposals out there because

3602
03:04:57,200 --> 03:04:59,040
that's this is part of the discussion of

3603
03:04:59,040 --> 03:05:01,040
what whether they they want to run the

3604
03:05:01,040 --> 03:05:03,200
range and what what percentage of the

3605
03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:05,680
profits they want of it. I don't want to

3606
03:05:05,680 --> 03:05:08,720
commit. And I think our our Samantha

3607
03:05:08,720 --> 03:05:10,640
said, you know, we're not going to do

3608
03:05:10,640 --> 03:05:12,479
this this month or next month.

3609
03:05:12,479 --> 03:05:14,240
>> Why don't you start working your way up?

3610
03:05:14,240 --> 03:05:15,279
Samantha might have

3611
03:05:15,279 --> 03:05:16,880
>> start correcting me,

3612
03:05:16,880 --> 03:05:19,600
>> but but uh so so we're going to get done

3613
03:05:19,600 --> 03:05:21,760
with the process of reviewing the bids

3614
03:05:21,760 --> 03:05:25,359
in in the next uh few months. and you

3615
03:05:25,359 --> 03:05:27,439
know and then at that point we could if

3616
03:05:27,439 --> 03:05:29,120
we tabled this we could bring this back

3617
03:05:29,120 --> 03:05:32,319
and have make it part of uh whatever

3618
03:05:32,319 --> 03:05:33,920
agreement we come to and see if someone

3619
03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:36,720
wants to pay for it. Samantha, I have a

3620
03:05:36,720 --> 03:05:40,160
question. If this project the baseline

3621
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:42,399
of all the proposals, they already know

3622
03:05:42,399 --> 03:05:44,880
that the city is going to do that or

3623
03:05:44,880 --> 03:05:47,439
they don't.

3624
03:05:47,439 --> 03:05:48,960
>> Um

3625
03:05:48,960 --> 03:05:50,800
the contract, well, we did the bid

3626
03:05:50,800 --> 03:05:52,800
process. So, this would be the city

3627
03:05:52,800 --> 03:05:54,160
originally was going to be doing the

3628
03:05:54,160 --> 03:05:56,880
work. Even under the scenario that a

3629
03:05:56,880 --> 03:05:59,359
potential new operator would be willing

3630
03:05:59,359 --> 03:06:01,520
to contribute to this, the city would

3631
03:06:01,520 --> 03:06:03,760
still manage the project and and be

3632
03:06:03,760 --> 03:06:06,240
overseeing it given the nature of it. I

3633
03:06:06,240 --> 03:06:08,720
think the expectation could be that an

3634
03:06:08,720 --> 03:06:12,080
operator is going to help fund it just

3635
03:06:12,080 --> 03:06:14,640
by it um this has happened before. So

3636
03:06:14,640 --> 03:06:16,640
they've cut like a check essentially to

3637
03:06:16,640 --> 03:06:18,640
>> Well, my question is when we send out

3638
03:06:18,640 --> 03:06:20,640
the request for proposal,

3639
03:06:20,640 --> 03:06:22,479
>> do they understand that the city is

3640
03:06:22,479 --> 03:06:24,319
going going to do this project?

3641
03:06:24,319 --> 03:06:27,040
>> Yes. Yes. Originally the contract that

3642
03:06:27,040 --> 03:06:28,720
you're looking at tonight was it's a

3643
03:06:28,720 --> 03:06:32,080
city it's a city project.

3644
03:06:32,080 --> 03:06:34,399
>> No, the request for proposal of the

3645
03:06:34,399 --> 03:06:36,640
operators.

3646
03:06:36,640 --> 03:06:39,040
>> Oh, this was not part of the RFP for

3647
03:06:39,040 --> 03:06:40,319
this the pro shop. No.

3648
03:06:40,319 --> 03:06:41,680
>> So they don't know that the city is

3649
03:06:41,680 --> 03:06:44,240
going to do this project. It's not

3650
03:06:44,240 --> 03:06:46,960
pricing their proposal.

3651
03:06:46,960 --> 03:06:49,840
>> No, this was not a piece of the RFP for

3652
03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:51,600
this pro shop services.

3653
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:52,399
>> Okay.

3654
03:06:52,399 --> 03:06:55,600
>> Is there any are any of the results

3655
03:06:55,600 --> 03:06:57,120
coming back from that saying that they

3656
03:06:57,120 --> 03:06:59,520
would want to be involved in creating

3657
03:06:59,520 --> 03:07:00,479
netting?

3658
03:07:00,479 --> 03:07:04,080
>> So, a a large element of the RFP was to

3659
03:07:04,080 --> 03:07:07,279
allow um proposers the opportunity to

3660
03:07:07,279 --> 03:07:09,680
say how they could contribute to the

3661
03:07:09,680 --> 03:07:12,479
future master plan. Um we we tried to

3662
03:07:12,479 --> 03:07:14,479
keep it very broad in that sense cuz

3663
03:07:14,479 --> 03:07:16,399
really the longerterm vision is a master

3664
03:07:16,399 --> 03:07:18,640
plan for the golf course. Substantial

3665
03:07:18,640 --> 03:07:21,120
portion of that is a is a redevelopment

3666
03:07:21,120 --> 03:07:23,040
and reimagining of the driving range

3667
03:07:23,040 --> 03:07:24,960
facility which would include an

3668
03:07:24,960 --> 03:07:26,240
increased netting. It wasn't

3669
03:07:26,240 --> 03:07:28,640
specifically spelled out but for our pro

3670
03:07:28,640 --> 03:07:31,200
shop operators who or proposers who

3671
03:07:31,200 --> 03:07:33,920
submitted that was part of the the the

3672
03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:36,319
conversation piece. Now the task force

3673
03:07:36,319 --> 03:07:38,560
as the council's assigned it is going to

3674
03:07:38,560 --> 03:07:40,399
have interviews with the um

3675
03:07:40,399 --> 03:07:42,880
organizations who submit a proposals and

3676
03:07:42,880 --> 03:07:44,720
through that interview process this can

3677
03:07:44,720 --> 03:07:46,399
be a conversation piece that's

3678
03:07:46,399 --> 03:07:48,240
incorporated into it to get more

3679
03:07:48,240 --> 03:07:49,040
details.

3680
03:07:49,040 --> 03:07:51,279
>> So then there's no hurry right now in in

3681
03:07:51,279 --> 03:07:53,279
awarding this contract?

3682
03:07:53,279 --> 03:07:56,399
>> No. Um our public works director said

3683
03:07:56,399 --> 03:07:59,040
that there's about 120 days typically

3684
03:07:59,040 --> 03:08:01,200
within um a bid process that a

3685
03:08:01,200 --> 03:08:02,720
contractor is going to hold their price

3686
03:08:02,720 --> 03:08:05,439
for about 120 days. And I feel pretty

3687
03:08:05,439 --> 03:08:06,560
confident that we'll be able to get

3688
03:08:06,560 --> 03:08:07,920
through interviews in the next couple of

3689
03:08:07,920 --> 03:08:10,319
weeks here makes a decision part of that

3690
03:08:10,319 --> 03:08:12,080
interviewing process and understanding

3691
03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:14,319
can can be a piece of this as well.

3692
03:08:14,319 --> 03:08:18,319
>> Okay. I' as a scratch golfer at Salty

3693
03:08:18,319 --> 03:08:20,720
Turf, I have [laughter] I've got a

3694
03:08:20,720 --> 03:08:23,279
question. So, what's the difference in

3695
03:08:23,279 --> 03:08:24,560
what you're saying and what Victor's

3696
03:08:24,560 --> 03:08:26,960
saying? I I mean, what's what's the

3697
03:08:26,960 --> 03:08:28,960
thing here? What's our what's our

3698
03:08:28,960 --> 03:08:30,000
>> Where's it meet?

3699
03:08:30,000 --> 03:08:31,920
>> Yeah. I don't I don't I think the the

3700
03:08:31,920 --> 03:08:38,080
element um that council member Capell is suggesting is to continue this item

3701
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:40,720
tonight allow the task force as you've

3702
03:08:40,720 --> 03:08:42,720
appointed the pro shop operations task

3703
03:08:42,720 --> 03:08:44,800
force to finish their job in

3704
03:08:44,800 --> 03:08:47,279
interviewing um the folks who have have

3705
03:08:47,279 --> 03:08:49,359
submitted proposals. Part of that can be

3706
03:08:49,359 --> 03:08:51,120
a conversation of how will you

3707
03:08:51,120 --> 03:08:53,920
contribute to the future funding um and

3708
03:08:53,920 --> 03:08:56,080
improvements at the golf course and then

3709
03:08:56,080 --> 03:08:57,040
bring it back.

3710
03:08:57,040 --> 03:08:58,479
>> Okay. Instead of tableabling, it would

3711
03:08:58,479 --> 03:09:00,880
be better to bring it back to a date

3712
03:09:00,880 --> 03:09:01,920
certain.

3713
03:09:01,920 --> 03:09:02,399
>> Is that right?

3714
03:09:02,399 --> 03:09:02,960
>> Continue.

3715
03:09:02,960 --> 03:09:05,760
>> We can continue it to certainly.

3716
03:09:05,760 --> 03:09:06,720
>> Oh, go ahead, Steve.

3717
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:08,800
>> I have a question to the city attorney.

3718
03:09:08,800 --> 03:09:11,359
Just just curious uh with any contract

3719
03:09:11,359 --> 03:09:13,120
to manage the course, does that do

3720
03:09:13,120 --> 03:09:15,200
anything for the prevailing wage require

3721
03:09:15,200 --> 03:09:17,120
responsibilities we have in bidding this

3722
03:09:17,120 --> 03:09:19,439
project out in the future? If a third

3723
03:09:19,439 --> 03:09:24,309
party were to come in and contract,

3724
03:09:24,319 --> 03:09:26,479
» the prevailing wage requirement depends

3725
03:09:26,479 --> 03:09:28,800
on exactly what they're doing. So like

3726
03:09:28,800 --> 03:09:30,160
pro shop does is not

3727
03:09:30,160 --> 03:09:32,399
>> let's say let's say we're talking about

3728
03:09:32,399 --> 03:09:33,920
driving raising the net. Yeah,

3729
03:09:33,920 --> 03:09:35,040
>> the net.

3730
03:09:35,040 --> 03:09:35,520
>> Um

3731
03:09:35,520 --> 03:09:36,720
>> would that theoretically

3732
03:09:36,720 --> 03:09:37,600
>> that's theoretically

3733
03:09:37,600 --> 03:09:39,200
>> exclude from prevailing wage or would be

3734
03:09:39,200 --> 03:09:41,120
stuck in prevailing wage? Do you know?

3735
03:09:41,120 --> 03:09:42,720
>> I don't know off the top of my head. It

3736
03:09:42,720 --> 03:09:43,840
might be either one.

3737
03:09:43,840 --> 03:09:45,680
>> Okay, that well that's a important

3738
03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:47,600
consideration for holding off. We may we

3739
03:09:47,600 --> 03:09:49,120
may get an answer on that that could

3740
03:09:49,120 --> 03:09:51,840
save us some money as well.

3741
03:09:51,840 --> 03:09:52,479
>> Just a question.

3742
03:09:52,479 --> 03:09:54,880
>> Well, there's there's not a way to avoid

3743
03:09:54,880 --> 03:09:57,920
it by waiting. We if it's a prevailing

3744
03:09:57,920 --> 03:09:59,600
wage project, it's a prevailing wage

3745
03:09:59,600 --> 03:10:01,040
project, then it wouldn't matter.

3746
03:10:01,040 --> 03:10:02,319
>> Well, that's the question. If we had a

3747
03:10:02,319 --> 03:10:03,600
third party manager,

3748
03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:05,840
>> yeah, that's not going to matter in the

3749
03:10:05,840 --> 03:10:06,560
analysis.

3750
03:10:06,560 --> 03:10:07,600
>> Won't matter in your opinion. Would

3751
03:10:07,600 --> 03:10:09,040
still be stuck with prevailing wage?

3752
03:10:09,040 --> 03:10:11,040
>> If it's a prevailing wage project, yes,

3753
03:10:11,040 --> 03:10:12,000
>> that's the question.

3754
03:10:12,000 --> 03:10:13,439
>> It is a prevailing wage project.

3755
03:10:13,439 --> 03:10:14,080
>> Project.

3756
03:10:14,080 --> 03:10:16,479
>> It is. It is. They it's been bid as a

3757
03:10:16,479 --> 03:10:18,160
public works project which includes

3758
03:10:18,160 --> 03:10:19,600
prevailing wage.

3759
03:10:19,600 --> 03:10:20,479
>> Okay. So in that

3760
03:10:20,479 --> 03:10:22,240
>> okay I know we bid it but if a third

3761
03:10:22,240 --> 03:10:24,880
party came in and said I'm now managing

3762
03:10:24,880 --> 03:10:27,600
this store I want to build the project

3763
03:10:27,600 --> 03:10:30,560
on my own nickel and I expect a a higher

3764
03:10:30,560 --> 03:10:32,640
percentage. Would that keep it in?

3765
03:10:32,640 --> 03:10:33,760
That's my question.

3766
03:10:33,760 --> 03:10:36,880
>> You can't avoid prevailing wage

3767
03:10:36,880 --> 03:10:39,520
>> issues by having another party.

3768
03:10:39,520 --> 03:10:40,560
>> Okay. It sounds like that's

3769
03:10:40,560 --> 03:10:42,160
>> it's still prevailing wage. Yes. No if

3770
03:10:42,160 --> 03:10:43,680
they do it or we do it. It's still

3771
03:10:43,680 --> 03:10:45,120
prevailing wage. I like that idea

3772
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:45,920
though.

3773
03:10:45,920 --> 03:10:47,279
>> Every nickel, [laughter] every nickel is

3774
03:10:47,279 --> 03:10:48,560
important. Thank you, sis.

3775
03:10:48,560 --> 03:10:50,399
>> Samantha, if we want to continue it,

3776
03:10:50,399 --> 03:10:53,040
what what's the timing that works for

3777
03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:54,479
you?

3778
03:10:54,479 --> 03:10:56,960
>> Um, I think we'd like to get this back

3779
03:10:56,960 --> 03:10:59,439
to you no later than your first meeting

3780
03:10:59,439 --> 03:11:02,000
in October. Could come sooner than that,

3781
03:11:02,000 --> 03:11:04,240
but I wouldn't just based on the timing

3782
03:11:04,240 --> 03:11:05,840
of the contractor's kind of price

3783
03:11:05,840 --> 03:11:07,520
holding. I'd like to get it to you that

3784
03:11:07,520 --> 03:11:08,800
first meeting in October.

3785
03:11:08,800 --> 03:11:10,160
>> Okay. Andy, you want to weigh in?

3786
03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:11,600
>> Yeah, I wanted to answer your question a

3787
03:11:11,600 --> 03:11:13,200
little bit. I I think where you're what

3788
03:11:13,200 --> 03:11:16,080
you're asking is as part of the proposal

3789
03:11:16,080 --> 03:11:18,000
process what we can ask and we can

3790
03:11:18,000 --> 03:11:19,439
assess the different people that we

3791
03:11:19,439 --> 03:11:22,000
interview is um are you willing to

3792
03:11:22,000 --> 03:11:24,240
contribute what maybe that is a higher

3793
03:11:24,240 --> 03:11:28,000
percentage of the um the higher

3794
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:30,160
percentage of the revenues generated by

3795
03:11:30,160 --> 03:11:32,640
the driving range for whatever period of

3796
03:11:32,640 --> 03:11:34,800
time to pay the city back for the cost

3797
03:11:34,800 --> 03:11:36,399
that's going to be associated with this.

3798
03:11:36,399 --> 03:11:38,479
So that'll be part of that negotiation.

3799
03:11:38,479 --> 03:11:39,760
I think that was your question was the

3800
03:11:39,760 --> 03:11:41,840
monetary side of it. It's very possible

3801
03:11:41,840 --> 03:11:43,359
that we could talk to them and say,

3802
03:11:43,359 --> 03:11:44,960
"Hey, we're going to be making this

3803
03:11:44,960 --> 03:11:46,560
contribution and this improvement in the

3804
03:11:46,560 --> 03:11:48,479
course. Are you willing to consider a

3805
03:11:48,479 --> 03:11:50,240
higher percentage to the city until we

3806
03:11:50,240 --> 03:11:51,840
are able to repay ourselves for this

3807
03:11:51,840 --> 03:11:52,880
investment?"

3808
03:11:52,880 --> 03:11:55,279
>> But this is also this also comes out of

3809
03:11:55,279 --> 03:11:58,240
the the enterprise fund which is a

3810
03:11:58,240 --> 03:12:00,960
separate fund from the general plan from

3811
03:12:00,960 --> 03:12:02,479
our general fund.

3812
03:12:02,479 --> 03:12:02,960
>> That's right.

3813
03:12:02,960 --> 03:12:04,319
>> So you just want to postpone the

3814
03:12:04,319 --> 03:12:05,439
contract until we have

3815
03:12:05,439 --> 03:12:07,040
>> Do you want to make a motion to continue

3816
03:12:07,040 --> 03:12:09,760
this first meeting in October?

3817
03:12:09,760 --> 03:12:11,840
If not sooner if the staff not if not

3818
03:12:11,840 --> 03:12:13,600
sooner has already yes that's

3819
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:16,160
>> okay second by mayor prom no block all

3820
03:12:16,160 --> 03:12:18,080
in favor I ask 5

3821
03:12:18,080 --> 03:12:20,160
>> thank you

3822
03:12:20,160 --> 03:12:25,120
>> okay oral communications part two I have

3823
03:12:25,120 --> 03:12:32,790
one speaker card Tony Rubilino

3824
03:12:32,800 --> 03:12:37,200
hey council so when Mark ran for council

3825
03:12:37,200 --> 03:12:39,040
he originally claimed that these were

3826
03:12:39,040 --> 03:12:41,040
supposed to be nonpartisan seats. I

3827
03:12:41,040 --> 03:12:43,200
would like you to listen to a clip that

3828
03:12:43,200 --> 03:12:45,760
he made recently.

3829
03:12:45,760 --> 03:12:47,840
>> See, congratulations on a 10-year

3830
03:12:47,840 --> 03:12:49,840
anniversary. You are making a

3831
03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:51,520
difference. You are helping to change

3832
03:12:51,520 --> 03:12:53,359
policy up and down from the federal

3833
03:12:53,359 --> 03:12:55,680
government to the state to the county to

3834
03:12:55,680 --> 03:12:58,800
the local to school boards everywhere.

3835
03:12:58,800 --> 03:13:02,399
You are making a change. Well done. Keep

3836
03:13:02,399 --> 03:13:04,399
it up.

3837
03:13:04,399 --> 03:13:06,080
>> That was well-wishing the Democratic

3838
03:13:06,080 --> 03:13:07,600
women of South Orange County on their

3839
03:13:07,600 --> 03:13:10,479
anniversary. Mark, please share with us

3840
03:13:10,479 --> 03:13:12,160
what is it that they were doing that was

3841
03:13:12,160 --> 03:13:14,720
so great. Was it the one of the founding

3842
03:13:14,720 --> 03:13:16,800
members making a slit throat gesture at

3843
03:13:16,800 --> 03:13:18,640
me while I waited to speak at a council

3844
03:13:18,640 --> 03:13:20,720
meeting? Was it one of their more

3845
03:13:20,720 --> 03:13:23,279
prominent members standing up and

3846
03:13:23,279 --> 03:13:24,960
interrupting the meeting to such an

3847
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:27,040
egregious offense that you had to stop

3848
03:13:27,040 --> 03:13:29,520
and recess until order could be called

3849
03:13:29,520 --> 03:13:32,319
in council chambers? Was it that they

3850
03:13:32,319 --> 03:13:35,439
were very prominent in supporting Eric

3851
03:13:35,439 --> 03:13:38,720
Swallwell for California governor who

3852
03:13:38,720 --> 03:13:41,760
then was later be found a sexual fiend

3853
03:13:41,760 --> 03:13:43,600
and even this week we have found that

3854
03:13:43,600 --> 03:13:45,680
the FBI may have been involved in

3855
03:13:45,680 --> 03:13:48,399
covering up his affair with a Chinese

3856
03:13:48,399 --> 03:13:52,720
spy. Uh so please Mark share with us

3857
03:13:52,720 --> 03:13:55,359
what is it that is so great [snorts] and

3858
03:13:55,359 --> 03:13:56,720
Mark I really think it's pretty

3859
03:13:56,720 --> 03:13:59,279
hypocritical hypocritical of you to

3860
03:13:59,279 --> 03:14:00,800
claim that these are nonpartisan seats

3861
03:14:00,800 --> 03:14:03,359
and then to go ahead and publish a uh

3862
03:14:03,359 --> 03:14:05,040
video like that. I would love to hear

3863
03:14:05,040 --> 03:14:07,040
your retort.

3864
03:14:07,040 --> 03:14:09,120
Um let's go ahead and shift gears

3865
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:11,200
though. I would also like to discuss

3866
03:14:11,200 --> 03:14:14,399
Oceanfest. That was a huge huge success.

3867
03:14:14,399 --> 03:14:17,600
It was very widely attended and a lot of

3868
03:14:17,600 --> 03:14:20,960
the the praise that I heard was for the

3869
03:14:20,960 --> 03:14:23,359
jet ski event. And the jet ski event was

3870
03:14:23,359 --> 03:14:24,960
also something that as many of you

3871
03:14:24,960 --> 03:14:27,920
recall that that was an event that the

3872
03:14:27,920 --> 03:14:30,640
um beaches parks and reccks uh director

3873
03:14:30,640 --> 03:14:32,399
said that that was an event that could

3874
03:14:32,399 --> 03:14:35,040
not happen. So it turns out that that

3875
03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:38,080
was wrong. The event was widely praised

3876
03:14:38,080 --> 03:14:39,920
and I think that the event coordinator

3877
03:14:39,920 --> 03:14:41,760
had originally asked for a standalone

3878
03:14:41,760 --> 03:14:44,479
event. I would suggest highly that there

3879
03:14:44,479 --> 03:14:45,920
would be communication if there isn't

3880
03:14:45,920 --> 03:14:48,319
already to try and embrace a standalone

3881
03:14:48,319 --> 03:14:50,239
event. I think that um he proved that he

3882
03:14:50,239 --> 03:14:52,239
could pull it off. It could be safe. It

3883
03:14:52,239 --> 03:14:53,760
could be well attended. I mean, there

3884
03:14:53,760 --> 03:14:54,960
were people up on the pier that were

3885
03:14:54,960 --> 03:14:58,479
getting uh jet ski spray um from the

3886
03:14:58,479 --> 03:14:59,840
ocean and people were just loving the

3887
03:14:59,840 --> 03:15:01,279
flips and everything like that. It was

3888
03:15:01,279 --> 03:15:03,520
really incredible. So, thanks for that.

3889
03:15:03,520 --> 03:15:07,279
And then the last thing is this is the

3890
03:15:07,279 --> 03:15:09,840
last uh meeting before we head into

3891
03:15:09,840 --> 03:15:12,160
September and October in an election

3892
03:15:12,160 --> 03:15:14,319
year. That's usually what we call silly

3893
03:15:14,319 --> 03:15:17,840
season. Um it sounds like that uh I have

3894
03:15:17,840 --> 03:15:20,720
to confirm, but if Miss Kathy Ward is

3895
03:15:20,720 --> 03:15:22,399
going to be running, there's definitely

3896
03:15:22,399 --> 03:15:23,680
going to be have to uh some

3897
03:15:23,680 --> 03:15:25,760
presentations because I think the public

3898
03:15:25,760 --> 03:15:27,840
would like a refreshing on what went

3899
03:15:27,840 --> 03:15:30,640
down over the past decade. And uh we'll

3900
03:15:30,640 --> 03:15:33,200
see see y'all there. Thank you. Thank

3901
03:15:33,200 --> 03:15:34,479
you.

3902
03:15:34,479 --> 03:15:36,239
>> And we have one more speaker card. Mike

3903
03:15:36,239 --> 03:15:36,960
K.

3904
03:15:36,960 --> 03:15:39,680
>> Mike. Hello, council. I'll keep this

3905
03:15:39,680 --> 03:15:41,439
short. Uh at the very beginning, we were

3906
03:15:41,439 --> 03:15:43,439
talking about lifeguards and the

3907
03:15:43,439 --> 03:15:45,120
potential for increasing their salary

3908
03:15:45,120 --> 03:15:47,920
and the potential for them uh becoming

3909
03:15:47,920 --> 03:15:50,000
first responders, and this got me to

3910
03:15:50,000 --> 03:15:51,520
thinking of some conversations I've had

3911
03:15:51,520 --> 03:15:54,319
with park rangers who have expressed a

3912
03:15:54,319 --> 03:15:57,279
similar uh desire, and we've uh fleshed

3913
03:15:57,279 --> 03:15:59,200
out some of those ideas. So, I'm just

3914
03:15:59,200 --> 03:16:01,680
asking council as you go forward those

3915
03:16:01,680 --> 03:16:04,399
discussions with lifeguards visav um

3916
03:16:04,399 --> 03:16:07,279
expanding their powers and and their uh

3917
03:16:07,279 --> 03:16:10,160
certification for first responder

3918
03:16:10,160 --> 03:16:11,600
different types of first responder

3919
03:16:11,600 --> 03:16:14,720
status um that you potentially include

3920
03:16:14,720 --> 03:16:18,239
or consider the park rangers to expand

3921
03:16:18,239 --> 03:16:22,399
their um uh abilities um in a similar

3922
03:16:22,399 --> 03:16:27,279
manner. And both um both groups

3923
03:16:27,279 --> 03:16:29,680
potentially could play important roles

3924
03:16:29,680 --> 03:16:31,520
should we have a natural disaster here

3925
03:16:31,520 --> 03:16:33,600
in San Clementi. Even things as mundane

3926
03:16:33,600 --> 03:16:36,960
but extremely important as uh people

3927
03:16:36,960 --> 03:16:39,279
leaving the scene of a of a fire for

3928
03:16:39,279 --> 03:16:41,520
example coming in going doortodoor for

3929
03:16:41,520 --> 03:16:44,720
example helping with elderly uh folks

3930
03:16:44,720 --> 03:16:46,640
and and the rest to get them out of

3931
03:16:46,640 --> 03:16:49,680
harm's way. um even things like that

3932
03:16:49,680 --> 03:16:52,479
could be areas where both forces uh

3933
03:16:52,479 --> 03:16:54,000
could come together. Lifeguard doesn't

3934
03:16:54,000 --> 03:16:55,840
have to just work at a beach. In some

3935
03:16:55,840 --> 03:16:58,479
instances, uh there could be roles uh

3936
03:16:58,479 --> 03:17:00,640
for both to play. I personally have seen

3937
03:17:00,640 --> 03:17:02,720
all of this happen in real time. I know

3938
03:17:02,720 --> 03:17:04,319
exactly what the consequences are. I

3939
03:17:04,319 --> 03:17:05,760
know that most towns are not prepared

3940
03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:07,920
for these types of major disasters. Uh

3941
03:17:07,920 --> 03:17:09,840
but these two under potentially

3942
03:17:09,840 --> 03:17:12,319
underutilized uh groups could be

3943
03:17:12,319 --> 03:17:14,160
included into some of these areas.

3944
03:17:14,160 --> 03:17:15,920
There's many other areas where they

3945
03:17:15,920 --> 03:17:19,040
could be certified for um as well and

3946
03:17:19,040 --> 03:17:20,880
potentially measure M funds I think

3947
03:17:20,880 --> 03:17:23,359
could go towards both of those uh both

3948
03:17:23,359 --> 03:17:25,680
one for the beach and uh if it's fire

3949
03:17:25,680 --> 03:17:29,040
protection uh for the uh park rangers.

3950
03:17:29,040 --> 03:17:30,239
Anyway, I just wanted to share some of

3951
03:17:30,239 --> 03:17:31,439
those ideas. Thank you.

3952
03:17:31,439 --> 03:17:33,040
>> Thank you, Mike.

3953
03:17:33,040 --> 03:17:36,000
>> Yes. Go. You want to make a comment?

3954
03:17:36,000 --> 03:17:38,479
>> Oh, no. I was Are we done? I I was going

3955
03:17:38,479 --> 03:17:38,880
to

3956
03:17:38,880 --> 03:17:40,800
>> done. Yeah. No, I I was going to make

3957
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:42,399
>> We're getting there. Future [laughter]

3958
03:17:42,399 --> 03:17:44,319
agenda. Future agenda items.

3959
03:17:44,319 --> 03:17:45,920
>> Usually we let the city clerk announce

3960
03:17:45,920 --> 03:17:48,720
it and then we go and [laughter]

3961
03:17:48,720 --> 03:17:50,800
>> future agenda items.

3962
03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:53,977
>> Yeah. I I think it's been discussed.

3963
03:17:53,977 --> 03:17:55,120
[laughter] I thought we were there

3964
03:17:55,120 --> 03:17:57,439
already. [clears throat]

3965
03:17:57,439 --> 03:18:01,680
Uh uh I think the idea of of uh at least

3966
03:18:01,680 --> 03:18:05,279
evaluating the our lifeguards and the

3967
03:18:05,279 --> 03:18:08,399
role they play in our city uh and at the

3968
03:18:08,399 --> 03:18:12,239
very least the the the the salary and

3969
03:18:12,239 --> 03:18:14,640
equity you know with other communities.

3970
03:18:14,640 --> 03:18:16,880
Uh I don't know anything beyond that but

3971
03:18:16,880 --> 03:18:18,560
we would leave it up to staff to

3972
03:18:18,560 --> 03:18:22,560
determine uh whether uh uh what the next

3973
03:18:22,560 --> 03:18:24,479
steps are and what the best approach is

3974
03:18:24,479 --> 03:18:26,800
and I think that's uh the place to

3975
03:18:26,800 --> 03:18:28,560
start. So I'd like to agendaize that

3976
03:18:28,560 --> 03:18:29,840
>> second agendaizing that.

3977
03:18:29,840 --> 03:18:31,760
>> Yeah, we have first a second and I'm

3978
03:18:31,760 --> 03:18:33,600
sure Mark wants to make a third but I

3979
03:18:33,600 --> 03:18:35,279
also want to make sure that agendaizing

3980
03:18:35,279 --> 03:18:37,760
this doesn't prohibit our city manager

3981
03:18:37,760 --> 03:18:40,479
from doing something now that he's

3982
03:18:40,479 --> 03:18:42,640
already got in

3983
03:18:42,640 --> 03:18:45,680
>> action. I don't I don't know. I

3984
03:18:45,680 --> 03:18:46,720
you

3985
03:18:46,720 --> 03:18:48,560
>> yeah

3986
03:18:48,560 --> 03:18:49,920
I don't want I don't want this to come

3987
03:18:49,920 --> 03:18:51,120
across wrong. This isn't the right

3988
03:18:51,120 --> 03:18:53,920
process for what for for evaluating

3989
03:18:53,920 --> 03:18:56,399
salaries and you know if this is the

3990
03:18:56,399 --> 03:18:57,520
process then we're just going to have

3991
03:18:57,520 --> 03:19:00,880
every employee group come up here and do this and we'll just this is the

3992
03:19:00,880 --> 03:19:02,720
way we'll do our our salaries in the

3993
03:19:02,720 --> 03:19:05,520
future. Um what we'd like to do is take

3994
03:19:05,520 --> 03:19:07,279
a look at this. It's a it's it's a me

3995
03:19:07,279 --> 03:19:08,960
it's a multi-layered thing as you said.

3996
03:19:08,960 --> 03:19:10,399
there's already another employee group

3997
03:19:10,399 --> 03:19:11,520
that's been brought up by another

3998
03:19:11,520 --> 03:19:13,600
resident and so this isn't the way we

3999
03:19:13,600 --> 03:19:15,359
typically address salary scales and

4000
03:19:15,359 --> 03:19:17,439
salaries um through this process. So

4001
03:19:17,439 --> 03:19:19,120
we'd like to follow the correct process.

4002
03:19:19,120 --> 03:19:21,120
We have meetings to have with our

4003
03:19:21,120 --> 03:19:23,359
employee association. I mean they they

4004
03:19:23,359 --> 03:19:25,200
have rights to meet and confer and talk

4005
03:19:25,200 --> 03:19:29,120
about these things. There's there's a process that's set up in our

4006
03:19:29,120 --> 03:19:30,560
memorandum of understanding that needs

4007
03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:31,840
to be followed. So

4008
03:19:31,840 --> 03:19:35,680
>> that's all I'm asking for to to help us

4009
03:19:35,680 --> 03:19:38,399
understand that better. I mean, whatever

4010
03:19:38,399 --> 03:19:39,920
that might be. We're not asking you to

4011
03:19:39,920 --> 03:19:42,239
come up with you go out and negotiate

4012
03:19:42,239 --> 03:19:43,920
something. We're just asking you cuz I

4013
03:19:43,920 --> 03:19:46,000
don't understand the process completely.

4014
03:19:46,000 --> 03:19:46,720
>> Perfect.

4015
03:19:46,720 --> 03:19:49,279
>> Well, then that can be a staff report

4016
03:19:49,279 --> 03:19:51,600
because I don't think the city council

4017
03:19:51,600 --> 03:19:53,680
wants to step on the toe of a city

4018
03:19:53,680 --> 03:19:57,439
manager to establish the salary scale.

4019
03:19:57,439 --> 03:19:59,359
>> City manager has heard heard this loud

4020
03:19:59,359 --> 03:20:01,120
and clear and I have confidence that

4021
03:20:01,120 --> 03:20:03,439
he's addressing the issue. That that's

4022
03:20:03,439 --> 03:20:06,239
all. So, if you want a staff report to

4023
03:20:06,239 --> 03:20:08,160
come back at some point, if there is

4024
03:20:08,160 --> 03:20:10,000
something that's gleaned, that's fine.

4025
03:20:10,000 --> 03:20:11,680
>> Is this something that we instead of

4026
03:20:11,680 --> 03:20:15,040
doing a an agenda future agenda items,

4027
03:20:15,040 --> 03:20:16,720
is this something we could individually

4028
03:20:16,720 --> 03:20:18,720
talk with our city manager about and go

4029
03:20:18,720 --> 03:20:20,880
through that process uh or would you

4030
03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:24,479
guys like to hear this this process uh

4031
03:20:24,479 --> 03:20:26,640
in in front of uh the public? So maybe

4032
03:20:26,640 --> 03:20:30,160
what I could do is jump to the end and I know it's not on the agenda, so

4033
03:20:30,160 --> 03:20:31,439
I'm I'm just going to give you a real

4034
03:20:31,439 --> 03:20:33,680
quick answer. If this is something we

4035
03:20:33,680 --> 03:20:35,279
can accommodate within the existing

4036
03:20:35,279 --> 03:20:36,880
budget, it's something that we would

4037
03:20:36,880 --> 03:20:38,560
move forward. We we make salary

4038
03:20:38,560 --> 03:20:40,319
adjustments on a pretty regular basis

4039
03:20:40,319 --> 03:20:41,840
based on different things that are

4040
03:20:41,840 --> 03:20:43,359
happening in the organization. And as

4041
03:20:43,359 --> 03:20:45,520
long as we're within the adopted budget,

4042
03:20:45,520 --> 03:20:47,920
we can do that. If it takes an an

4043
03:20:47,920 --> 03:20:50,160
additional allocation to make this work,

4044
03:20:50,160 --> 03:20:51,680
we bring it back to the council and we'd

4045
03:20:51,680 --> 03:20:53,439
say, "Okay, we need some additional

4046
03:20:53,439 --> 03:20:54,960
allocation in the budget to make this

4047
03:20:54,960 --> 03:20:56,720
happen." But lots of times there could

4048
03:20:56,720 --> 03:20:58,399
be vacancies. There could be some other

4049
03:20:58,399 --> 03:20:59,920
equipment that you don't purchase or

4050
03:20:59,920 --> 03:21:01,760
something to address it a different way.

4051
03:21:01,760 --> 03:21:04,560
I just we haven't taken that deep dive

4052
03:21:04,560 --> 03:21:06,640
yet to to know how we're going to

4053
03:21:06,640 --> 03:21:08,239
address this issue. It's loud and clear

4054
03:21:08,239 --> 03:21:10,720
to us you want us to address it. We

4055
03:21:10,720 --> 03:21:14,720
would we'd like to address it and then let you know what the results

4056
03:21:14,720 --> 03:21:15,120
are.

4057
03:21:15,120 --> 03:21:16,720
>> Any council member wants to contact Andy

4058
03:21:16,720 --> 03:21:18,720
and learn about the process is wide

4059
03:21:18,720 --> 03:21:19,279
open.

4060
03:21:19,279 --> 03:21:21,840
>> I'm satisfied with that. We all have a

4061
03:21:21,840 --> 03:21:23,680
consensus on on this now.

4062
03:21:23,680 --> 03:21:25,600
>> Okay. Thank you.

4063
03:21:25,600 --> 03:21:27,680
Next item.

4064
03:21:27,680 --> 03:21:27,920
May

4065
03:21:27,920 --> 03:21:30,720
>> I have another item? Hold on. I'd like

4066
03:21:30,720 --> 03:21:33,120
the council to review and revise council

4067
03:21:33,120 --> 03:21:37,439
policy on media communication.

4068
03:21:37,439 --> 03:21:38,239
>> A second.

4069
03:21:38,239 --> 03:21:40,880
>> Okay. Just let me ask a a question. What

4070
03:21:40,880 --> 03:21:43,040
does that mean? I'm just asking to

4071
03:21:43,040 --> 03:21:44,720
clarify what that means. Because our

4072
03:21:44,720 --> 03:21:47,600
current council uh council procedure and

4073
03:21:47,600 --> 03:21:51,600
policy is very vague on how the council

4074
03:21:51,600 --> 03:21:55,359
approach media accept media interview

4075
03:21:55,359 --> 03:21:58,800
and uh uh calling for press conference

4076
03:21:58,800 --> 03:22:02,800
for example who is responsible who it it

4077
03:22:02,800 --> 03:22:04,880
only identifies that the mayor as a

4078
03:22:04,880 --> 03:22:08,160
council as a spokesperson for the city

4079
03:22:08,160 --> 03:22:10,960
but other than that is very vague and I

4080
03:22:10,960 --> 03:22:13,359
think the council would benefit if we

4081
03:22:13,359 --> 03:22:16,000
have a little more established policy

4082
03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:16,560
and procedure.

4083
03:22:16,560 --> 03:22:17,920
>> Are you talking about because don't we

4084
03:22:17,920 --> 03:22:21,520
have a PIO in the city also? Don't we

4085
03:22:21,520 --> 03:22:25,760
have Andy? Do we have a PIO? Okay. So,

4086
03:22:25,760 --> 03:22:27,840
>> this is not about the staff. This is

4087
03:22:27,840 --> 03:22:29,040
about a council's act.

4088
03:22:29,040 --> 03:22:30,720
>> Yeah. No, I know. I'm just trying I'm

4089
03:22:30,720 --> 03:22:32,800
trying to get this

4090
03:22:32,800 --> 03:22:35,040
>> correct. Yes, we have a a public

4091
03:22:35,040 --> 03:22:38,239
information officer. um if it would help

4092
03:22:38,239 --> 03:22:40,000
the council, if what you're asking for

4093
03:22:40,000 --> 03:22:42,960
is to bring back the existing policy so

4094
03:22:42,960 --> 03:22:44,239
you can take a look at that and see if

4095
03:22:44,239 --> 03:22:47,200
there need to be any changes, we could we could put that on the next

4096
03:22:47,200 --> 03:22:47,520
agenda.

4097
03:22:47,520 --> 03:22:49,040
>> Is that what you want to agendaize that

4098
03:22:49,040 --> 03:22:50,319
we bring?

4099
03:22:50,319 --> 03:22:53,200
>> Yeah, I for discussion bring the the

4100
03:22:53,200 --> 03:22:54,960
existing policy back and look and see if

4101
03:22:54,960 --> 03:22:56,640
we need to amend it or change it.

4102
03:22:56,640 --> 03:23:00,880
>> I may assist to write some policy and see and for the council's

4103
03:23:00,880 --> 03:23:02,160
discussion.

4104
03:23:02,160 --> 03:23:03,840
>> Okay. And you need a staff report for

4105
03:23:03,840 --> 03:23:05,040
that? I assume that

4106
03:23:05,040 --> 03:23:06,880
>> well we have two council members. If I

4107
03:23:06,880 --> 03:23:09,920
get a third one then I can use

4108
03:23:09,920 --> 03:23:11,439
>> that's fine because I I'd like to look

4109
03:23:11,439 --> 03:23:13,200
at the policy too. I'll give you a third

4110
03:23:13,200 --> 03:23:14,640
and we can look at it and we can discuss

4111
03:23:14,640 --> 03:23:15,120
it.

4112
03:23:15,120 --> 03:23:16,960
>> Okay. Thank you. So So I have your

4113
03:23:16,960 --> 03:23:18,800
authorization to work with the staff to

4114
03:23:18,800 --> 03:23:21,279
come up with some more established

4115
03:23:21,279 --> 03:23:22,960
policy and procedures

4116
03:23:22,960 --> 03:23:25,279
>> for our discussion. I think

4117
03:23:25,279 --> 03:23:29,439
>> well that well that I I I would be fine

4118
03:23:29,439 --> 03:23:32,239
to have them come back with the existing

4119
03:23:32,239 --> 03:23:35,200
policy because I don't know it that well

4120
03:23:35,200 --> 03:23:37,279
and then we can have a discussion and

4121
03:23:37,279 --> 03:23:38,960
see if there's any alterations we need

4122
03:23:38,960 --> 03:23:41,120
to make to that at that time at the next

4123
03:23:41,120 --> 03:23:41,680
meeting.

4124
03:23:41,680 --> 03:23:44,960
>> Bring your ideas on that council next

4125
03:23:44,960 --> 03:23:45,920
meeting.

4126
03:23:45,920 --> 03:23:46,640
>> Sure. Okay.

4127
03:23:46,640 --> 03:23:47,600
>> Is that fair?

4128
03:23:47,600 --> 03:23:49,840
>> Yeah, of course. Existing policy is

4129
03:23:49,840 --> 03:23:50,880
almost

4130
03:23:50,880 --> 03:23:53,279
>> perfect. Okay. Any any other agenda

4131
03:23:53,279 --> 03:23:56,160
items? I have uh two items, Mr. Mayor.

4132
03:23:56,160 --> 03:23:58,800
The first is that uh uh regarding the

4133
03:23:58,800 --> 03:24:00,880
amphitheater at the Forester Ranch

4134
03:24:00,880 --> 03:24:03,120
Community Park, I I think with the end

4135
03:24:03,120 --> 03:24:05,600
of the summer, uh we look at that

4136
03:24:05,600 --> 03:24:07,200
facility and we we look about its

4137
03:24:07,200 --> 03:24:08,880
capabil we're wondering about its

4138
03:24:08,880 --> 03:24:11,439
capabilities and and and so forth. Uh

4139
03:24:11,439 --> 03:24:13,520
and what I'd like to do is is perhaps

4140
03:24:13,520 --> 03:24:17,359
have a uh a uh how do you call it? a dry

4141
03:24:17,359 --> 03:24:20,000
run kickoff session where we where we

4142
03:24:20,000 --> 03:24:24,000
have a uh a a m musical band that that

4143
03:24:24,000 --> 03:24:26,479
plays there where the arts and and

4144
03:24:26,479 --> 03:24:28,880
culture subcommittee can can monitor and

4145
03:24:28,880 --> 03:24:31,040
look at uh look at what's needed in

4146
03:24:31,040 --> 03:24:33,840
terms of uh preliminary view in terms of

4147
03:24:33,840 --> 03:24:36,239
electricity staging lighting access

4148
03:24:36,239 --> 03:24:38,319
through the school district additional

4149
03:24:38,319 --> 03:24:40,960
parking sort of a sort of a dry run if

4150
03:24:40,960 --> 03:24:42,880
you will of uh kind of what we need in

4151
03:24:42,880 --> 03:24:44,720
the future as we go forward and I'd like

4152
03:24:44,720 --> 03:24:46,720
maybe to have the parks and recreation

4153
03:24:46,720 --> 03:24:50,880
department to schedule an an a impromptu

4154
03:24:50,880 --> 03:24:53,040
uh ad hoc, if you will, pre uh

4155
03:24:53,040 --> 03:24:55,600
presentation and maybe select a

4156
03:24:55,600 --> 03:24:57,840
interesting local band that could play.

4157
03:24:57,840 --> 03:24:59,439
>> Maybe we have a natural event that

4158
03:24:59,439 --> 03:25:00,640
movies there.

4159
03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:02,080
>> I know they do movies, but I'm talking

4160
03:25:02,080 --> 03:25:02,720
about But that's

4161
03:25:02,720 --> 03:25:03,680
>> You're talking about a concert.

4162
03:25:03,680 --> 03:25:04,960
>> I'm talking about more of a concert,

4163
03:25:04,960 --> 03:25:07,120
more of a more of a a theatrical or

4164
03:25:07,120 --> 03:25:09,040
musical production that requires some

4165
03:25:09,040 --> 03:25:11,200
additional uh equipment and so forth

4166
03:25:11,200 --> 03:25:12,640
just to sort of observe. What is the

4167
03:25:12,640 --> 03:25:15,760
next natural event that we can just move

4168
03:25:15,760 --> 03:25:18,727
it to there and see how it works?

4169
03:25:18,727 --> 03:25:19,680
[snorts]

4170
03:25:19,680 --> 03:25:21,279
>> The only condition I was going to ask is

4171
03:25:21,279 --> 03:25:22,640
it not be the musical group that

4172
03:25:22,640 --> 03:25:24,622
performed earlier tonight. But

4173
03:25:24,622 --> 03:25:25,760
[laughter] um

4174
03:25:25,760 --> 03:25:27,840
>> there you go again.

4175
03:25:27,840 --> 03:25:30,720
Everybody is right.

4176
03:25:30,720 --> 03:25:33,520
>> No, but the I I think you know perhaps

4177
03:25:33,520 --> 03:25:35,680
something associated with the holidays

4178
03:25:35,680 --> 03:25:37,520
or something is going to probably be the

4179
03:25:37,520 --> 03:25:39,200
next natural time and maybe we could do

4180
03:25:39,200 --> 03:25:41,520
something like that. maybe have even,

4181
03:25:41,520 --> 03:25:43,359
you know, contact maybe some of the

4182
03:25:43,359 --> 03:25:44,479
schools and see if they're doing a

4183
03:25:44,479 --> 03:25:45,920
Christmas concert and if they would want

4184
03:25:45,920 --> 03:25:47,840
to do something where, you know, might

4185
03:25:47,840 --> 03:25:49,439
get the parents involved and we can kind

4186
03:25:49,439 --> 03:25:50,960
of see how it would work and even maybe

4187
03:25:50,960 --> 03:25:52,560
that school we can talk to them.

4188
03:25:52,560 --> 03:25:54,239
>> Again, Christmas is still four or five

4189
03:25:54,239 --> 03:25:56,000
months away and I'm thinking maybe

4190
03:25:56,000 --> 03:25:56,560
something short

4191
03:25:56,560 --> 03:25:58,560
>> closer to more more end of the summer.

4192
03:25:58,560 --> 03:25:58,960
Uh

4193
03:25:58,960 --> 03:25:59,359
>> okay.

4194
03:25:59,359 --> 03:26:00,720
>> Uh view sort of a

4195
03:26:00,720 --> 03:26:02,000
>> Sure.

4196
03:26:02,000 --> 03:26:03,760
>> Yeah, that's the end of the summer.

4197
03:26:03,760 --> 03:26:05,920
>> I know that's what I mean. That's what I

4198
03:26:05,920 --> 03:26:07,520
mean. I mean

4199
03:26:07,520 --> 03:26:09,040
>> I mean I'll certainly second that and

4200
03:26:09,040 --> 03:26:10,319
that's something you can just do through

4201
03:26:10,319 --> 03:26:13,120
Samantha, right? We don't need Okay, it

4202
03:26:13,120 --> 03:26:13,760
was something else.

4203
03:26:13,760 --> 03:26:15,359
>> Uh yeah, second the second thing is I'd

4204
03:26:15,359 --> 03:26:17,600
like to agendaize

4205
03:26:17,600 --> 03:26:20,800
a a a council resolution supporting uh

4206
03:26:20,800 --> 03:26:23,920
Prop 39. Um

4207
03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:27,279
Proposition 39 is a election ID uh issue

4208
03:26:27,279 --> 03:26:30,000
which uh which impacts the entire nation

4209
03:26:30,000 --> 03:26:31,840
and impacts the state. It impacts the

4210
03:26:31,840 --> 03:26:34,800
city of San Clementi particularly. Uh

4211
03:26:34,800 --> 03:26:37,680
there's been a lot of uh concern about

4212
03:26:37,680 --> 03:26:43,120
uh um accurate voting and uh this item

4213
03:26:43,120 --> 03:26:45,040
was approved by the the citizens to go

4214
03:26:45,040 --> 03:26:46,960
on the agenda. The attorney general

4215
03:26:46,960 --> 03:26:49,200
turned it from a voter ID integrity rule

4216
03:26:49,200 --> 03:26:51,840
to to a title which basically says

4217
03:26:51,840 --> 03:26:54,720
prevent citizens from from voting unless

4218
03:26:54,720 --> 03:26:56,720
they prevent ID. So I'd like a

4219
03:26:56,720 --> 03:26:58,960
resolution. I I I'll present I'd like to

4220
03:26:58,960 --> 03:27:00,560
present a resolution for the council's

4221
03:27:00,560 --> 03:27:02,399
consideration at our next meeting.

4222
03:27:02,399 --> 03:27:04,720
Attorney, are there any rules getting

4223
03:27:04,720 --> 03:27:07,920
this close to election season about

4224
03:27:07,920 --> 03:27:10,560
propositions and what the council can

4225
03:27:10,560 --> 03:27:12,720
and cannot do in terms of supporting

4226
03:27:12,720 --> 03:27:16,080
different propositions or not?

4227
03:27:16,080 --> 03:27:19,520
>> The city council can take a position.

4228
03:27:19,520 --> 03:27:23,429
>> That's my my request.

4229
03:27:23,439 --> 03:27:26,800
» Okay. Have a second to to bring to bring

4230
03:27:26,800 --> 03:27:29,279
it back for discussion at the next next

4231
03:27:29,279 --> 03:27:29,840
council meeting.

4232
03:27:29,840 --> 03:27:31,439
>> Next council meeting. Yes. Is somebody

4233
03:27:31,439 --> 03:27:32,560
want to second that?

4234
03:27:32,560 --> 03:27:34,239
>> I'll second it. Okay, I have a second.

4235
03:27:34,239 --> 03:27:35,680
We don't need a staff report. It's going

4236
03:27:35,680 --> 03:27:37,920
to be for dis discussion only.

4237
03:27:37,920 --> 03:27:38,640
>> Correct.

4238
03:27:38,640 --> 03:27:39,120
>> Okay.

4239
03:27:39,120 --> 03:27:40,399
Thank you.

4240
03:27:40,399 --> 03:27:42,399
>> Any other agenda items? Yeah, that

4241
03:27:42,399 --> 03:27:43,600
brings

4242
03:27:43,600 --> 03:27:47,120
>> that brings a a important um point

4243
03:27:47,120 --> 03:27:48,960
because

4244
03:27:48,960 --> 03:27:52,399
I I'm think um

4245
03:27:52,399 --> 03:27:55,200
maybe we can uh also have the council to

4246
03:27:55,200 --> 03:27:59,040
express our position on proposition

4247
03:27:59,040 --> 03:28:03,760
41, 42, 43, and 40. They're all about

4248
03:28:03,760 --> 03:28:07,680
the tax. This is a big issue statewide.

4249
03:28:07,680 --> 03:28:09,520
the state the statewide

4250
03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:13,520
>> the state well the I believe 40 is the

4251
03:28:13,520 --> 03:28:16,399
mansion tax but um I'm more interested

4252
03:28:16,399 --> 03:28:18,239
in 43

4253
03:28:18,239 --> 03:28:21,040
which is essentially ACA 22 that is

4254
03:28:21,040 --> 03:28:21,680
asking

4255
03:28:21,680 --> 03:28:24,720
>> okay what could you list those again I'm

4256
03:28:24,720 --> 03:28:25,120
sorry

4257
03:28:25,120 --> 03:28:28,023
>> yeah never mind I think about next time

4258
03:28:28,023 --> 03:28:28,560
[laughter]

4259
03:28:28,560 --> 03:28:30,479
>> I I was going to do my own homework on

4260
03:28:30,479 --> 03:28:34,960
them but uh yeah okay I I mean I think

4261
03:28:34,960 --> 03:28:39,920
we're good now all All right, next item

4262
03:28:39,920 --> 03:28:42,880
>> report. City attorney.

4263
03:28:42,880 --> 03:28:44,720
>> Thank you. I just wanted to clarify what

4264
03:28:44,720 --> 03:28:46,319
I said earlier. The council can

4265
03:28:46,319 --> 03:28:49,040
agendaize taking a pos official position

4266
03:28:49,040 --> 03:28:51,359
on something, but it cannot advocate for

4267
03:28:51,359 --> 03:28:53,439
or against a measure. So, that's a it's

4268
03:28:53,439 --> 03:28:55,520
a nuance

4269
03:28:55,520 --> 03:28:57,840
that I just wanted to clarify. Other

4270
03:28:57,840 --> 03:28:59,439
than that, I have nothing to report

4271
03:28:59,439 --> 03:29:01,120
except it's a pleasure to serve.

4272
03:29:01,120 --> 03:29:02,960
>> A little more clarification on that. the

4273
03:29:02,960 --> 03:29:04,239
council can.

4274
03:29:04,239 --> 03:29:07,439
>> So if I I assume you'll be putting

4275
03:29:07,439 --> 03:29:09,840
forward a resolution saying that the

4276
03:29:09,840 --> 03:29:10,880
city

4277
03:29:10,880 --> 03:29:14,880
>> council the city of San Clemeni

4278
03:29:14,880 --> 03:29:16,560
supports

4279
03:29:16,560 --> 03:29:21,120
slash opposes whatever proposition, but

4280
03:29:21,120 --> 03:29:24,319
you can't say everybody should vote for

4281
03:29:24,319 --> 03:29:26,720
or against it. That would be advocacy.

4282
03:29:26,720 --> 03:29:29,439
So, there's a difference between once

4283
03:29:29,439 --> 03:29:31,680
stating a position

4284
03:29:31,680 --> 03:29:34,960
versus advocating for or against

4285
03:29:34,960 --> 03:29:36,640
something on the ballot.

4286
03:29:36,640 --> 03:29:39,120
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Perfect.

4287
03:29:39,120 --> 03:29:41,520
>> All right. So, is that your entire

4288
03:29:41,520 --> 03:29:42,319
report?

4289
03:29:42,319 --> 03:29:44,560
>> That is my entire and longest report to

4290
03:29:44,560 --> 03:29:44,960
date.

4291
03:29:44,960 --> 03:29:46,479
>> So, you're you're it's you're not

4292
03:29:46,479 --> 03:29:48,319
honored or whatever to work for this

4293
03:29:48,319 --> 03:29:48,640
subject.

4294
03:29:48,640 --> 03:29:50,555
>> I already said that after that musical

4295
03:29:50,555 --> 03:29:51,279
[laughter]

4296
03:29:51,279 --> 03:29:53,279
edition. I said it was a pleasure to

4297
03:29:53,279 --> 03:29:54,000
serve.

4298
03:29:54,000 --> 03:29:55,680
>> I asked the clerk. clerk. Did she say

4299
03:29:55,680 --> 03:29:56,640
that? [laughter] I don't think she did

4300
03:29:56,640 --> 03:29:58,000
say that. I can confirm for the

4301
03:29:58,000 --> 03:29:59,359
>> record. Somebody's covering for

4302
03:29:59,359 --> 03:30:00,160
somebody. Okay.

4303
03:30:00,160 --> 03:30:01,520
>> City manager.

4304
03:30:01,520 --> 03:30:03,279
>> No, I just I want to thank everybody

4305
03:30:03,279 --> 03:30:04,960
that everybody from the council to the

4306
03:30:04,960 --> 03:30:06,560
residents to the staff for it's been a

4307
03:30:06,560 --> 03:30:08,000
really fun summer. There's been a lot of

4308
03:30:08,000 --> 03:30:09,840
really cool events and we it's been

4309
03:30:09,840 --> 03:30:11,760
pretty uneventful for some of the big

4310
03:30:11,760 --> 03:30:14,000
events that we've had and I think we've

4311
03:30:14,000 --> 03:30:15,840
all had a good time and I think it's a

4312
03:30:15,840 --> 03:30:18,080
good kind of dress rehearsal for some of

4313
03:30:18,080 --> 03:30:19,439
the things we're leading up to in the

4314
03:30:19,439 --> 03:30:20,880
next couple of years with the Olympics

4315
03:30:20,880 --> 03:30:22,399
and the 100th birthday and that kind of

4316
03:30:22,399 --> 03:30:24,800
stuff. and we're learning about the the

4317
03:30:24,800 --> 03:30:25,920
some of the fun things that are

4318
03:30:25,920 --> 03:30:27,359
happening and it's been a fun summer.

4319
03:30:27,359 --> 03:30:29,439
So, I just wanted to a shout out to

4320
03:30:29,439 --> 03:30:31,040
everybody involved. I think the

4321
03:30:31,040 --> 03:30:33,040
residents have been very patient with a

4322
03:30:33,040 --> 03:30:34,960
lot of visitors in town and and it's

4323
03:30:34,960 --> 03:30:37,040
been a fun summer without a lot of I

4324
03:30:37,040 --> 03:30:38,720
think a lot of drama. So, it's been a

4325
03:30:38,720 --> 03:30:39,439
lot of fun. So,

4326
03:30:39,439 --> 03:30:39,920
>> you're here

4327
03:30:39,920 --> 03:30:42,319
>> and our first responders have uh made us

4328
03:30:42,319 --> 03:30:43,920
safe and done a phenomenal job.

4329
03:30:43,920 --> 03:30:46,800
>> Just a just a huge Yeah, everybody. It's

4330
03:30:46,800 --> 03:30:47,359
been great.

4331
03:30:47,359 --> 03:30:48,800
>> Well, you got a parking ticket you need

4332
03:30:48,800 --> 03:30:51,920
fixed. What's What's the deal? Anybody

4333
03:30:51,920 --> 03:30:53,920
want to make a motion to the next

4334
03:30:53,920 --> 03:30:54,479
council meeting?

4335
03:30:54,479 --> 03:30:56,000
>> I'll make a motion to [snorts] adjourn.

4336
03:30:56,000 --> 03:30:58,080
The next regular city council meeting,

4337
03:30:58,080 --> 03:31:00,239
let me turn on the mic. Is scheduled to

4338
03:31:00,239 --> 03:31:02,319
take place on September 1st, 2026.

4339
03:31:02,319 --> 03:31:04,080
Closed session will begin at 4:30 p.m.

4340
03:31:04,080 --> 03:31:05,520
and the regular business meeting will

4341
03:31:05,520 --> 03:31:07,840
begin at 5:30 p.m. The meeting will take

4342
03:31:07,840 --> 03:31:09,520
place in the council chambers located in

4343
03:31:09,520 --> 03:31:11,680
910 Gaia Negotio second floor San

4344
03:31:11,680 --> 03:31:12,800
Clemeni.

4345
03:31:12,800 --> 03:31:15,040
>> I'll second. All in favor? I. We are

4346
03:31:15,040 --> 03:31:21,030
adjourned.

4347
03:31:21,040 --> 03:31:25,399
I hope my phone's up in your office.