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and and and and

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and and Yeah and and

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everybody in chambers or

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watching online for your

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patience.

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We now have quorum so I will

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now call the city council

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meeting of Tuesday FEBRUARY

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24th 2026 to order Clerk Please

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call the roll present Council

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sorry Council Member Campbell

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here Councilmember Whitburn

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Councilmember Foster Council

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Member Von Wilpert Council

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PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee here

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COUNCILMAN Moreno Councilmember

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Eli Rivera and Council

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PRESIDENT LaCava present also

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attending the meeting are City

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Attorney Heather Ferber,

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independent budget analyst

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Charles Monica, council affairs

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advisor and the Mayor's office

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code advisor and myself your

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city Clerk Diana Fuentes Thank

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you Council PRESIDENT All

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City Clerk And as I said, a

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quorum is now present.

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the land acknowledgment and

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the Pledge of Allegiance led by

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council member Whitburn.

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We respectfully acknowledge

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that the and are the original

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inhabitants of the Unceded land

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now known as San Diego.

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Despite enduring the horrors of

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genocide and colonization,

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the community spirit remains

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unbroken.

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We are the resilience of their

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ancestors who fought to protect

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their culture and land.

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Today they carry their legacy

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forward ensuring that their

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traditions continue to thrive

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and gratitude and strength with

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the combination connected to

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our past and committed to a

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thriving future.

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Please space the flag Put your

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hand over your heart.

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Ready?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which

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it stands One nation under GOD,

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indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Clerk Please go over how

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the public can offer their

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Council PRESIDENT I'd like to

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highlight the site on

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the screen that reviews how

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the public can offer their

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public testimony during today's

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allocations for proclamations

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and consent items for meeting

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management purposes The order

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can be found on the agenda

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person please complete a

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speaker slip locate at

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the entrance of chambers and

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the room into the clear box.

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speaker slips.

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No further in-person testimony

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will be taken once the council

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Thank you Council PRESIDENT.

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Thank you, City Clerk.

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Before we move to hear public

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comment on the proclamation

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items, we have a title change

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for item 31 which will now be

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Mayor Mesa Little League 50th

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anniversary.

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Oh, is that correct?

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Council PRESIDENT Thank you for

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confirming Now that it's been

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read into the record I will

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note that the agenda will be

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updated to reflect the new

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title and the proclamation will

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be swapped with a revised copy.

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Clerk Please proceed with

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I would like to take if I can

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take one second My apologies.

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public comment on

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speakers here in council

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chambers We are going to those

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participating remotely starting

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with 8700 if you can please I'm

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you and let me know what is

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the item or items that you wish

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to speak to Number 30 only.

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You'll have one minute.

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Joy Senior Proceed three.

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First of all a quick thank you

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to Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem

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for wearing his a red jacket

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for the last presentation was

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wasn't that a fabulous moment

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for us to have terrific.

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So on this one thank you City

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attorney server and council

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PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee 14 Dating

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Violence Awareness and

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Prevention Month Yes the two

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keys are intervention and

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prevention In my opinion

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the most important way to help

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our teens is to teaching them

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to be more self aware.

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Thank you to all involved and

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the Family Justice Center for

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your safe Place.

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That's terrific.

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Keep up the great work and love

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to all.

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Next is the original If you can

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please unmute and let me know

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which item or items you wish to

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speak to.

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Number 30 as well The Teen

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You know it's really sad to see

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you guys when you do things

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I mean of course this is

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extremely important but you

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ignore all of the abuse of

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children that takes place in

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the county that you guys are

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involved in that the city

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attorney is involved in

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the child trafficking that is

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taking place.

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Your safe place is not a safe

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place.

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It's engaged in the same child

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trafficking, engaged with

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foster care, things like cps,

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child protective Services which

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does anything but protect

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children.

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It promotes and engages in

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child trafficking, child abuse,

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covering up of sexual abuse.

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signal as though you're doing

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something right at the same

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time you ignore those types of

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atrocities that you are engaged

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in that the people pay for.

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And so it's just really sad to

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see that you will do things

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like this engage with

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the people that you know and

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prop them up like your safe

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place when they should be shut

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down and defunded.

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Hi, this is Andrea Ebbing.

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Your safe place is a money

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laundering facility that was

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launched by Casey Gwinn which

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used to be a family justice

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center But then it was taken

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over by sd pd then it was taken

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over by Mara Elliott and now

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it's run by our county Rico mob

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boss Summer Stephan.

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It is not a safe place at all.

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It's a money laundering

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facility.

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The Union-Tribune caught on to

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that in public records if you

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look in public records for your

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safe place and those records

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are you know they they call it

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all these different things now

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it's like one safe place your

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safe place because it's not

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following guidelines Teen

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violence How about my teen

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who's 17 years old is now in

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violent relationships because

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she was abducted when she was

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12 years old and her maternal

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bond was severed after I was

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her loving mother her entire

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life in her county contracted

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rehab owner dope dealer

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murderer father abducted her

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and summer stuff and sold her

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for kickbacks.

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Now she has a lifetime of

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issues and so do I and so do

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her sisters Because you guys

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have done nothing has

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concluded.

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Next is Becky Rap if you can

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please and mute and let me know

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what items or items you wish to

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speak to.

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I'd like to speak to item 30.

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Thank you And thank you for.

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My name is Becky Rapping.

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I'd like to thank you for

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recognizing Teen Dating

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Violence Awareness and

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Prevention Month and for

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the leadership of City

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Attorney's Office and your safe

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place.

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But as we talk about prevention

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we must also talk about

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the developing adolescent brain

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and the teen brain is still

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forming and it governs

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the prefrontal cortex, governs

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impulse control decision making

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and emotional regulation.

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Regular marijuana use during

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adolescence has been associated

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with impaired judgment

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increased impulsivity,

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heightened anxiety and in some

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cases in many cases for youth

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paranoia and aggression.

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When judgment is impaired and

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emotions are intensified,

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conflicts escalate more quickly

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and it is imperative that we

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combine preventing we combine

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prevention with teen dating

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Violence prevention must be

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included in your time as have

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considered My apologies.

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Next is Ernie Casper You can

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please unmute Yes Ernie Casco

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What item are items you wish to

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speak to on the proclamations

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I'm speaking on all the items

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first particularly on the bad

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choices Joe Lacob is making is

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that a proclamation and 3232

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all of them you'll go to I

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reported I okay give me my

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minutes are reported a direct

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violation of Joe Lacob his

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office I reported negligent

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homicide attempted murder as

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assistant flight director.

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Ernie Ernie we're going to cut

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you off.

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You can do that at non agenda

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Public comment later this

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morning this is proclamations

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Kathleen Lippert if you can

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please unmute and let us know

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which item or items you'd like

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to speak to on the proclamation

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agenda.

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>> Thank you.

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I'd like to address item 30.

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>> I'd like to point out that

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the policies that the city

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continues to support also

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continue to contribute to

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problems that you have with

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teens and especially where drug

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abuse is involved and you're

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increasing availability access

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etc. And then you wonder why

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you got this collateral damage.

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The increase is in parallel to

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those policies I'd like to

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share Robert Malone He was

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the inventor of the marinade

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vaccine platform and his

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recommendation for the most

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valuable things that we can

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teach children and it's

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regulating their emotions that

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prevents that is crime

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prevention.

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It's addiction prevention, it's

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suicide prevention and it's

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generational healing.

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It's how we stop raising adults

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who accept it explode, implode

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or shut down At the first sign

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of discomfort emotional

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regulation is not just a soft

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skill you're trying to sort of

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concluded and the five minute

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timer had concluded before her

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speaking So no additional

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speakers will be taken on

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the proclamations That does

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conclude public comment.

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>> All right.

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Thank you, City Clerk.

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We will now turn it over to

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council members for any

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questions, comments and

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entertain a motion And we'll

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start with Council PRESIDENT

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Pro Tem Lee Thank Council

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PRESIDENT I'll be speaking to

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items 30 and 31 and I'll start

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by making a motion to move

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the Proclamations agenda with

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the update of the title of item

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31 as Mayor Mesa Little League

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50th Anniversary Opening day

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for item 31 I am proud to bring

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forward a proclamation

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declaring FEBRUARY 28th as

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Mayor Mesa Little League's 50th

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Anniversary Opening day For 50

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years mermaids a little league

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has been a cornerstone of

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the community bringing

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generations of families

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together and providing young

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people opportunities to grow

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both on and off the field As

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many know, Little League is

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much more than about baseball.

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It's about teamwork,

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discipline, resilience and

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sportsmanship while also

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creating supportive space when

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it comes to youth today

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the league involves over 1000

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families within the community

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and I like to always recognize

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that it is entirely run by

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volunteers.

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That means the parents,

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the coaches community members

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who are often giving their time

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whether it's during games or in

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between And after long workdays

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they help make possible this

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opportunity for the next

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generation within our

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community.

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So the proclamation is not just

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a milestone but it is five

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decades of dedication,

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leadership and community

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involvement and I'll be excited

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to join them this Saturday for

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Opening Day to celebrate this

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achievement For item 30 I want

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to thank City attorney Heather

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Herbert for leading this

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proclamation on National Teen

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Dating Violence Awareness and

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Prevention Month which is

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commemorated annually each

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FEBRUARY at City Hall.

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The City Attorney's office has

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been a leader in providing

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community resources and

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supportive services at no cost

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for those experiencing domestic

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violence, dating abuse, elder

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abuse, trafficking and much

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more.

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At the resource center called

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Your Safe Place, our team has

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had the opportunity to visit

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and support your safe place in

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their work and it is one small

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part of what the City

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Attorney's office does that

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really benefits the community

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in a significant way.

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I know several of our senior

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Unified Board trustees are here

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with us today to raise

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awareness on this issue And

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it's my pleasure now to hand

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this over to City Attorney

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Ferber to share her words.

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Thank you so much.

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It's an honor to join Council

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PRESIDENT Pro Tem Kenley this

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morning in sponsoring this

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proclamation recognizing

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FEBRUARY as teen Dating

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Violence Awareness and

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Prevention Month recognizing

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this month is important to

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raise awareness, support

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survivors and acknowledge

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the dedicated people and

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organizations working to

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present prevent cycles of

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violence for our youth.

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Teen dating violence is a

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serious public health issue

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that affects young people

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across all communities.

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Statistics tell us that 1 in 3

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teenagers have experienced

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dating abuse and about the same

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number report having committed

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dating abuse themselves.

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These numbers are alarming and

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underscore the need for

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comprehensive prevention

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efforts.

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Teen dating violence is often

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linked to other harmful

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behaviors including bullying,

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sexual harassment and physical

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violence.

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Teen survivors face increased

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risk of truancy Dropout teen

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pregnancy, suicide eating

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disorders and other harmful

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behaviors.

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Without intervention these

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patterns can persist into

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adulthood preventing sorry for

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perpetuating cycles of abuse.

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The City Attorney's office

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operates your safe place

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The San Diego Family Justice

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Center which provides teens

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with a confidential safe

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environment to learn about

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healthy relationships, receive

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safety planning and access

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comprehensive services.

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Throughout its 24 years of

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serving San Diego.

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The Family Justice Center has

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helped break cycles of dating

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violence and now serves over a

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thousand clients a month.

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>> Your Safe Place partners

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with schools and community

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organizations to teach boundary

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setting consent practices and

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online safety This year to

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recognize teen Violence

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Awareness and Prevention Month.

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Your safe Place changed it for

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my youth poster contest to a

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social media reels contest and

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San Diego Unified School

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District has been one of our

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partners on this.

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We hope you'll look for

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the winning reel on social

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media soon.

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I want to thank San Diego

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Unified School District Board

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members Sharon Whitehurst Payne

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and Sabrina Basso and student

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board member Leana Wen.

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Thanks for coming to show your

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support this morning.

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We appreciate your partnership

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in this important work.

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Together we can create

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protective environments, engage

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influential adults and peers

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and support teen survivors to

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increase safety and reduce

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harm.

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>> Thank you so much.

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>> All right.

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Thank you both for your

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comments.

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So we do have a motion by

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council member Lee with excuse

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me Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem

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Lee with the correction for

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the title on item 31.

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And we'll go next to

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Councilmember Whipper.

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Thank you Council PRESIDENT.

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I am happy to second the motion

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and I want to thank Council

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PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee and City

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Attorney Herbert for bringing

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forward those two proclamations

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that we just heard.

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I am pleased to bring forward a

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proclamation this morning

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declaring that Cecilia moreno

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day in the city of San Diego

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Cecilia's legacy and commitment

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to the neighborhood of

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Hillcrest cannot be overstated.

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Many of us Cecilia is

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the longtime owner of the Crest

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Cafe a Hillcrest landmark maybe

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a Hillcrest Institution.

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But much of what she does for

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the community takes place

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behind the scenes.

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For decades she has been one of

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these steady hands and strong

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voices that has moved Hillcrest

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forward.

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She has continuously served

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the Hillcrest Business

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Association Board of Directors

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since 1989.

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That's 37 years always with

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thoughtfulness and integrity

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and a deep love for

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the neighborhood.

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She was the first donor to

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the Hillcrest Pride flag that

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she was also the first donor to

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the renovation of the iconic

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Hillcrest sign.

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Personally investing in

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the initiatives that keep

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Hillcrest vibrant and inclusive

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and unique.

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Cecilia machado is in chambers

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with us this morning along with

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Ryan Bedrosian, the PRESIDENT

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Of the Hillcrest Business

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Association and Ben Nichols,

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the executive director.

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I would like to invite them to

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come out up to the microphone.

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Hello everybody.

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I just I, I have a few words.

590
00:46:13,852 --> 00:46:14,787
I have a few words.

591
00:46:14,787 --> 00:46:18,190
I know Cecilia is not a big fan

592
00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:18,891
of public speaking but I am so

593
00:46:18,891 --> 00:46:19,592
excited to be here today to

594
00:46:19,592 --> 00:46:21,592
recognize Cecilia's leadership

595
00:46:22,795 --> 00:46:23,462
over the last 37 years.

596
00:46:23,462 --> 00:46:27,620
When she joined the board of

597
00:46:27,333 --> 00:46:31,533
the va, Chris Kehoe was our new

598
00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:31,904
fresh faced executive director

599
00:46:31,904 --> 00:46:32,738
.

600
00:46:32,738 --> 00:46:36,908
I want to tell one story that

601
00:46:36,908 --> 00:46:37,610
is illustrative of Cecilia his

602
00:46:37,610 --> 00:46:40,610
leadership over the years When

603
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:42,314
we were working on deciding to

604
00:46:42,314 --> 00:46:45,314
create the Hillcrest Pride flag

605
00:46:46,252 --> 00:46:47,190
that we all know at normal

606
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:47,753
Street there we were taking a

607
00:46:47,753 --> 00:46:50,753
vote in our executive committee

608
00:46:51,357 --> 00:46:51,923
meeting and we were discussing

609
00:46:51,923 --> 00:46:52,525
it and debating it and

610
00:46:52,525 --> 00:46:53,192
eventually the committee

611
00:46:53,192 --> 00:46:55,594
decided yes, we're going to

612
00:46:55,594 --> 00:46:56,495
build this pride flag.

613
00:46:56,495 --> 00:46:57,296
And I said Well it's going to

614
00:46:57,296 --> 00:47:00,499
cost some money and we have to

615
00:47:00,499 --> 00:47:01,367
privately raise that money.

616
00:47:01,367 --> 00:47:02,167
You have to get it in the door.

617
00:47:02,167 --> 00:47:05,538
And so we voted the group voted

618
00:47:05,538 --> 00:47:06,305
and it was approved obviously.

619
00:47:06,305 --> 00:47:06,939
And then the very next thing

620
00:47:06,939 --> 00:47:09,339
that happened was Cecilia

621
00:47:10,109 --> 00:47:10,776
reached into her bag and she

622
00:47:10,776 --> 00:47:13,776
opened her checkbook and she

623
00:47:14,479 --> 00:47:15,147
wrote a check and then she

624
00:47:15,147 --> 00:47:15,748
looked around the table at

625
00:47:15,748 --> 00:47:16,415
everyone that was there

626
00:47:16,415 --> 00:47:19,415
the leaders of our business

627
00:47:19,752 --> 00:47:20,119
community And she said Who will

628
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:20,820
match me?

629
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:24,420
And so that day before we

630
00:47:25,358 --> 00:47:26,580
adjourn that meeting we had

631
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:26,726
raised a quarter of the amount

632
00:47:26,726 --> 00:47:27,250
that we needed for the Pride

633
00:47:27,250 --> 00:47:29,250
flag.

634
00:47:29,695 --> 00:47:30,329
And it's that kind of strongly

635
00:47:30,329 --> 00:47:30,697
leadership putting skin in

636
00:47:30,697 --> 00:47:31,297
the game.

637
00:47:31,297 --> 00:47:34,297
It's one thing to vote.

638
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:35,534
It's another thing to support

639
00:47:35,534 --> 00:47:37,534
and get involved.

640
00:47:39,973 --> 00:47:40,673
And so there that is an example

641
00:47:40,673 --> 00:47:43,673
of Cecilia's behind the scenes

642
00:47:44,243 --> 00:47:45,110
leadership but also many, many

643
00:47:45,110 --> 00:47:48,110
years of tastes of Hillcrest

644
00:47:49,215 --> 00:47:49,916
and neighborhood committee

645
00:47:49,916 --> 00:47:52,316
meetings and approving minutes

646
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:54,921
and budget reviews and

647
00:47:54,921 --> 00:47:57,321
neighborhood scheming so much

648
00:47:58,858 --> 00:47:59,525
to celebrate and I can say with

649
00:47:59,525 --> 00:48:02,525
confidence you are going to

650
00:48:03,129 --> 00:48:03,730
enjoy retirement less than all

651
00:48:03,730 --> 00:48:04,597
of that good stuff.

652
00:48:04,597 --> 00:48:04,898
>> So thank you for your many

653
00:48:04,898 --> 00:48:06,898
years.

654
00:48:08,301 --> 00:48:09,680
Appreciate it.

655
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,680
>> Thank you very much, Ben.

656
00:48:13,139 --> 00:48:13,773
Congratulations, Cecilia and

657
00:48:13,773 --> 00:48:16,773
thank you very much, Ryan.

658
00:48:17,944 --> 00:48:18,644
Anybody who has been Hillcrest

659
00:48:18,644 --> 00:48:19,312
lately knows that it is a

660
00:48:19,312 --> 00:48:21,712
happening place these days.

661
00:48:22,615 --> 00:48:23,282
The three of you have been

662
00:48:23,282 --> 00:48:24,170
instrumental in its progress

663
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:26,653
and we very much appreciate it.

664
00:48:26,653 --> 00:48:27,420
So thank you again.

665
00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:28,120
Thank you Council PRESIDENT And

666
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,720
again I will second the motion

667
00:48:31,791 --> 00:48:32,192
to approve the proclamations.

668
00:48:32,192 --> 00:48:32,592
All right.

669
00:48:32,592 --> 00:48:33,426
Thank you.

670
00:48:33,426 --> 00:48:36,162
So we do have a motion by

671
00:48:36,162 --> 00:48:36,863
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee

672
00:48:36,863 --> 00:48:39,263
which includes the correction

673
00:48:40,834 --> 00:48:41,501
for the title on item 31,

674
00:48:41,501 --> 00:48:41,868
the second by council member

675
00:48:41,868 --> 00:48:42,535
whitburn.

676
00:48:42,535 --> 00:48:43,136
>> Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem

677
00:48:43,136 --> 00:48:43,503
Lee you have additional

678
00:48:43,503 --> 00:48:43,803
comments?

679
00:48:43,803 --> 00:48:45,803
Yeah.

680
00:48:46,406 --> 00:48:47,400
If you didn't mind I thought

681
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,400
I'd invite our guests from

682
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:51,243
Senior Unified to come on up

683
00:48:51,243 --> 00:48:51,978
and share a couple remarks

684
00:48:51,978 --> 00:48:54,978
since they're here in support

685
00:49:13,299 --> 00:49:14,100
of Proclamation 30.

686
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,500
>> Thank you Councilmember Lee

687
00:49:18,204 --> 00:49:18,905
and thank you to the city

688
00:49:18,905 --> 00:49:19,373
council and our city attorney

689
00:49:19,373 --> 00:49:21,373
Heather Ferber.

690
00:49:22,976 --> 00:49:23,710
We're really happy to partner

691
00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:24,144
with you on this very important

692
00:49:24,144 --> 00:49:26,144
proclamation.

693
00:49:28,148 --> 00:49:28,782
Of course San Diego Unified is

694
00:49:28,782 --> 00:49:31,782
anything where we can, you

695
00:49:32,886 --> 00:49:33,587
know, support our students And

696
00:49:33,587 --> 00:49:36,587
teen dating is something that

697
00:49:37,357 --> 00:49:37,991
10% of teens suffer from so

698
00:49:37,991 --> 00:49:38,892
that they're impacted by.

699
00:49:38,892 --> 00:49:42,280
So it's a it's a really serious

700
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:42,796
it's you know, it's something

701
00:49:42,796 --> 00:49:46,833
that I think a lot of people

702
00:49:46,833 --> 00:49:47,534
are not aware of And anything

703
00:49:47,534 --> 00:49:48,235
we can do to create more

704
00:49:48,235 --> 00:49:51,235
awareness around this issue is

705
00:49:51,538 --> 00:49:51,838
extremely, extremely important

706
00:49:51,838 --> 00:49:52,706
.

707
00:49:52,706 --> 00:49:53,440
And I also have with me here

708
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,440
our student member Alina Nguyen

709
00:49:56,776 --> 00:49:57,477
who's a goes to Hoover High and

710
00:49:57,477 --> 00:49:59,877
my colleague DR. Whitehurst

711
00:50:01,348 --> 00:50:02,150
Payne who serves with me on

712
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:02,383
the San Diego Unified School

713
00:50:02,383 --> 00:50:04,383
District.

714
00:50:05,753 --> 00:50:06,720
Did you want to say I just

715
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,691
wanted to say thank you so much

716
00:50:10,691 --> 00:50:11,191
for being with us in support of

717
00:50:11,191 --> 00:50:13,191
this proclamation.

718
00:50:15,329 --> 00:50:18,929
Thank you And thank you also

719
00:50:19,767 --> 00:50:20,467
I've actually challenged

720
00:50:20,467 --> 00:50:24,670
several several of you to get

721
00:50:25,539 --> 00:50:26,340
involved with our students And

722
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:29,743
I think last week a week before

723
00:50:29,743 --> 00:50:30,811
last with you last week with

724
00:50:30,811 --> 00:50:34,411
you and men middle school and

725
00:50:35,249 --> 00:50:35,950
the students bring forth things

726
00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:39,253
because they serve on the dais

727
00:50:39,253 --> 00:50:40,120
with us And I felt that we need

728
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:40,888
to be here today to show them

729
00:50:40,888 --> 00:50:44,488
support that we are with them

730
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:45,393
And this is a very important

731
00:50:45,393 --> 00:50:46,600
issue.

732
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:46,359
So thank you for bringing it

733
00:50:46,359 --> 00:50:48,359
forth.

734
00:50:54,601 --> 00:50:55,102
City Attorney Thank you.

735
00:50:55,102 --> 00:50:57,102
Thank you.

736
00:50:58,773 --> 00:50:59,473
Council PRESIDENT All right

737
00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:00,107
Marty, anybody else in

738
00:51:00,107 --> 00:51:00,840
the lights Again we have a

739
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,840
motion by Council PRESIDENT Pro

740
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:07,677
Tem Lee with a correction to

741
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:08,616
the title of item 31 and a

742
00:51:08,616 --> 00:51:08,983
second by Councilmember

743
00:51:08,983 --> 00:51:09,617
Whitburn.

744
00:51:09,617 --> 00:51:10,351
Clerk please call the roll

745
00:51:10,351 --> 00:51:13,351
Sorry, the voting system Please

746
00:51:19,994 --> 00:51:22,994
cast your vote That passes

747
00:51:25,299 --> 00:51:25,967
unanimously 6 to 0 with Council

748
00:51:25,967 --> 00:51:26,667
member Moreno, Councilmember

749
00:51:26,667 --> 00:51:27,100
Campo and Councilmember Yvonne

750
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:28,435
Wolpert.

751
00:51:28,435 --> 00:51:28,736
Thank you Council PRESIDENT All

752
00:51:28,736 --> 00:51:29,136
right.

753
00:51:29,136 --> 00:51:30,710
Thank you.

754
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:33,274
City Clerk We will now take a

755
00:51:33,274 --> 00:51:33,975
quick pause for photos and we

756
00:51:33,975 --> 00:51:34,575
will start with item 13 Dating

757
00:51:34,575 --> 00:51:36,575
Violence Awareness and

758
00:52:17,619 --> 00:52:19,619
Prevention Month

759
00:54:17,573 --> 00:54:19,573
and

760
00:54:51,974 --> 00:54:52,308
you know, I think we missed a

761
00:54:52,308 --> 00:54:53,142
moment.

762
00:54:53,142 --> 00:54:55,444
I think we ought to give a big

763
00:54:55,444 --> 00:54:56,145
round of applause for Cecilia

764
00:54:56,145 --> 00:54:59,745
moreno for the good work she's

765
00:55:10,226 --> 00:55:10,793
done over the years All right.

766
00:55:10,793 --> 00:55:12,793
Well listen carefully.

767
00:55:14,363 --> 00:55:15,300
We will now move on to

768
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:15,330
the approval of the consent

769
00:55:15,330 --> 00:55:15,898
items.

770
00:55:15,898 --> 00:55:18,898
But first we have some

771
00:55:19,835 --> 00:55:21,835
housekeeping to do.

772
00:55:22,938 --> 00:55:23,873
First I will be pulling items

773
00:55:23,873 --> 00:55:26,873
103 and f 500 from the consent

774
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:28,744
agenda to be heard for

775
00:55:28,744 --> 00:55:29,512
discussion later this morning

776
00:55:29,512 --> 00:55:33,112
And that will happen after we

777
00:55:33,482 --> 00:55:34,160
conclude with the remainder of

778
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,160
the consent agenda.

779
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:37,520
Again I am pulling items 103

780
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,120
and 500 and we will hear them

781
00:55:41,557 --> 00:55:42,900
after we dispense with

782
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:42,758
the consent agenda.

783
00:55:42,758 --> 00:55:45,758
Second, I believe city staff

784
00:55:46,796 --> 00:55:49,196
has corrective statements to

785
00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:51,634
make for items 51 and 102 Do we

786
00:55:51,634 --> 00:55:52,367
have somebody here from

787
00:55:52,367 --> 00:55:54,767
engineering capital projects to

788
00:55:55,371 --> 00:55:56,105
come up to the microphone?

789
00:55:56,105 --> 00:55:58,105
Introduce yourself for

790
00:55:58,508 --> 00:56:01,508
the record and make your

791
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:04,347
statement.

792
00:56:04,347 --> 00:56:05,114
Thank you.

793
00:56:05,114 --> 00:56:05,615
Council Member This is I am

794
00:56:05,615 --> 00:56:07,615
Catherine Dunker.

795
00:56:08,351 --> 00:56:08,951
I'm Assistant Deputy Director

796
00:56:08,951 --> 00:56:09,552
with Engineering Capital

797
00:56:09,552 --> 00:56:12,552
Projects and I'm here to

798
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:14,657
provide you no update to item

799
00:56:14,657 --> 00:56:17,657
51 which is the item 12 to

800
00:56:17,894 --> 00:56:19,894
extend the construction

801
00:56:21,763 --> 00:56:22,465
contract for sewer and Water

802
00:56:22,465 --> 00:56:25,465
Group 763 project with p c

803
00:56:26,703 --> 00:56:27,603
construction So subject to

804
00:56:27,603 --> 00:56:30,603
docketing this item our city

805
00:56:31,741 --> 00:56:33,741
Attorney's office has

806
00:56:36,379 --> 00:56:37,460
discovered a minor concern and

807
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:37,680
she recommended the update

808
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,680
the environmental language

809
00:56:41,918 --> 00:56:42,619
because the date the city

810
00:56:42,619 --> 00:56:45,190
attorney's office didn't want

811
00:56:46,592 --> 00:56:47,357
to use a passed secure

812
00:56:47,357 --> 00:56:50,957
exemption so we had to make

813
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:51,728
the minor change as requested

814
00:56:51,728 --> 00:56:54,728
by the city attorney's office

815
00:56:55,398 --> 00:56:55,865
which doesn't affect the intent

816
00:56:55,865 --> 00:56:57,865
of the action.

817
00:57:00,703 --> 00:57:01,337
So that's basically it.

818
00:57:01,337 --> 00:57:01,871
Is that sufficient?

819
00:57:01,871 --> 00:57:02,404
City Attorney Okay.

820
00:57:02,404 --> 00:57:04,804
Thank you for that.

821
00:57:05,642 --> 00:57:06,420
Thank you.

822
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:07,430
All right.

823
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:07,777
And then for item 1 or 2, do we

824
00:57:07,777 --> 00:57:10,283
have somebody from the Planning

825
00:57:10,283 --> 00:57:10,880
Department?

826
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,548
I see We do.

827
00:57:11,548 --> 00:57:12,215
So please introduce yourself

828
00:57:12,215 --> 00:57:12,582
for the record and make your

829
00:57:12,582 --> 00:57:14,582
statement.

830
00:57:14,684 --> 00:57:15,418
Good morning, council members.

831
00:57:15,418 --> 00:57:16,153
I'm semi-rural assistant deputy

832
00:57:16,153 --> 00:57:19,153
director with the city planning

833
00:57:19,723 --> 00:57:20,390
this revision clarifies that in

834
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:23,990
the event that any funds are

835
00:57:24,193 --> 00:57:24,927
returned to city pursuant to

836
00:57:24,927 --> 00:57:25,695
Section 2.4 or the contribution

837
00:57:25,695 --> 00:57:28,695
agreement with City of Chula

838
00:57:29,933 --> 00:57:30,600
Vista, those funds would be

839
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,167
deposited back into the all

840
00:57:31,167 --> 00:57:33,167
times enhanced influx

841
00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:37,710
infrastructure Financing

842
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:38,441
District Public First Use Fund

843
00:57:38,441 --> 00:57:38,842
200803 Okay.

844
00:57:38,842 --> 00:57:39,576
Thank you.

845
00:57:39,576 --> 00:57:40,760
Thank you for that And again

846
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,760
that's sufficient.

847
00:57:43,213 --> 00:57:43,713
Okay.

848
00:57:43,713 --> 00:57:45,713
All right.

849
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:47,551
So I have pulled item 103 and

850
00:57:47,551 --> 00:57:48,251
that's 500.

851
00:57:48,251 --> 00:57:51,655
Are there any other request to

852
00:57:51,655 --> 00:57:51,988
pull an item off the consent

853
00:57:51,988 --> 00:57:53,988
agenda?

854
00:57:56,493 --> 00:57:57,126
Not seeing any with that clerk

855
00:57:57,126 --> 00:57:57,760
please proceed with public

856
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:58,295
comment on the balance of

857
00:57:58,295 --> 00:58:00,295
the consent agenda.

858
00:58:02,399 --> 00:58:03,100
Thank you Council PRESIDENT

859
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:03,766
Please note each speaker will

860
00:58:03,766 --> 00:58:05,702
have one minute per item per

861
00:58:05,702 --> 00:58:06,369
person If you would like to

862
00:58:06,369 --> 00:58:07,400
speak on three or more items

863
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:07,437
you will have a maximum of

864
00:58:07,437 --> 00:58:09,437
three minutes.

865
00:58:10,274 --> 00:58:11,241
The consent agenda includes

866
00:58:11,241 --> 00:58:13,241
items 1050 through 60 to 100

867
00:58:14,945 --> 00:58:17,345
through 1 or 2 104105 and as

868
00:58:17,681 --> 00:58:18,381
a5a1 with items 103 and s 500

869
00:58:18,381 --> 00:58:18,982
pulled from the consent agenda

870
00:58:18,982 --> 00:58:21,982
as noted by the Council

871
00:58:23,220 --> 00:58:23,820
PRESIDENT Also let me note for

872
00:58:23,820 --> 00:58:24,421
the record the potential

873
00:58:24,421 --> 00:58:25,220
appointments that are on

874
00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:27,191
the agenda this morning.

875
00:58:27,191 --> 00:58:27,791
Item 105 is the potential

876
00:58:27,791 --> 00:58:29,791
reappointment of former

877
00:58:31,327 --> 00:58:31,928
Missouri and Ted Miyahara to

878
00:58:31,928 --> 00:58:32,629
the Planning Commission.

879
00:58:32,629 --> 00:58:36,566
If you'd like to speak on any

880
00:58:36,566 --> 00:58:37,301
of the consent items please be

881
00:58:37,301 --> 00:58:37,968
sure to submit your speakers up

882
00:58:37,968 --> 00:58:38,402
to the front of the room in

883
00:58:38,402 --> 00:58:40,402
the clear box.

884
00:58:41,204 --> 00:58:41,839
I do not see any speakers here

885
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:42,439
for the consent agenda in

886
00:58:42,439 --> 00:58:44,839
chambers going to those

887
00:58:45,909 --> 00:58:46,677
participating remotely.

888
00:58:46,677 --> 00:58:47,378
We'll start with Blair Beekman

889
00:58:47,378 --> 00:58:48,178
If you can please let me know

890
00:58:48,178 --> 00:58:50,547
which item or items you wish to

891
00:58:50,547 --> 00:58:51,480
speak to.

892
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,480
>> All right.

893
00:58:56,587 --> 00:58:57,354
Perfect Man I wanted to speak

894
00:58:57,354 --> 00:59:00,190
to items so as possible one

895
00:59:00,190 --> 00:59:00,824
item 52 and items 54 through 60

896
00:59:00,824 --> 00:59:03,224
You'll have three minutes.

897
00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:05,429
>> Please proceed.

898
00:59:05,429 --> 00:59:06,196
Thank you.

899
00:59:06,196 --> 00:59:06,730
First to speak to item 52

900
00:59:06,730 --> 00:59:08,730
agreement to extend

901
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:10,601
the contract with Lexie Paul

902
00:59:10,601 --> 00:59:14,201
there's a lot that Lexie Paul

903
00:59:14,572 --> 00:59:15,272
does in terms of data

904
00:59:15,272 --> 00:59:18,272
collection for our police and

905
00:59:18,943 --> 00:59:19,442
fire departments and there are

906
00:59:19,442 --> 00:59:20,112
role and job.

907
00:59:20,112 --> 00:59:23,112
They've been doing this for

908
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:24,447
quite a while now for at least

909
00:59:24,447 --> 00:59:27,447
5 to 10 years We've gotten used

910
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:29,686
to their working style but they

911
00:59:29,686 --> 00:59:30,387
were really uncomfortable to

912
00:59:30,387 --> 00:59:33,758
work with at first and I think

913
00:59:33,758 --> 00:59:34,492
we have to be noting that in

914
00:59:34,492 --> 00:59:37,492
this time that we're addressing

915
00:59:38,963 --> 00:59:39,430
issues that Lexie posed they're

916
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:41,430
a little tough.

917
00:59:42,666 --> 00:59:43,200
They tend to work with police

918
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,200
more than community.

919
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:48,805
And so I, I hope like what was

920
00:59:48,805 --> 00:59:49,307
spoken very nicely yesterday by

921
00:59:49,307 --> 00:59:51,307
council personnel.

922
00:59:52,743 --> 00:59:53,477
Rivera I hope we're really

923
00:59:53,477 --> 00:59:56,477
considering how to move forward

924
00:59:57,114 --> 00:59:57,882
with our with our good thinking

925
00:59:57,882 --> 00:59:58,382
and best practices and we don't

926
00:59:58,382 --> 01:00:00,382
let them languish.

927
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:03,321
It's okay to move forward with

928
01:00:03,321 --> 01:00:05,721
our best practices and.

929
01:00:06,570 --> 01:00:06,924
Question Lexie Paul there used

930
01:00:06,924 --> 01:00:07,558
to be one of the question flock

931
01:00:07,558 --> 01:00:08,259
That can be okay and that

932
01:00:08,259 --> 01:00:11,259
should be an okay conversation

933
01:00:11,329 --> 01:00:11,995
to have publicly Good luck how

934
01:00:11,995 --> 01:00:15,595
we can have it have those

935
01:00:15,966 --> 01:00:16,734
conversations and for items 54

936
01:00:16,734 --> 01:00:19,134
through 60 and pure water

937
01:00:20,638 --> 01:00:21,305
things and also sewer issues

938
01:00:21,305 --> 01:00:24,905
which are right next to each

939
01:00:24,976 --> 01:00:25,676
other you have about 4 or 5

940
01:00:25,676 --> 01:00:26,477
items on pure water and then

941
01:00:26,477 --> 01:00:29,130
you have two items going on

942
01:00:29,130 --> 01:00:29,981
sewer construction issues.

943
01:00:29,981 --> 01:00:34,520
I try to bring sewer issues and

944
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:34,786
pure water issues together When

945
01:00:34,786 --> 01:00:35,420
I speak when they're together

946
01:00:35,420 --> 01:00:35,921
and other times they go to

947
01:00:35,921 --> 01:00:37,921
committee agendas.

948
01:00:39,590 --> 01:00:40,291
I hope that can be okay in

949
01:00:40,291 --> 01:00:43,270
the future and I'm not likely

950
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:43,795
should not do that.

951
01:00:43,795 --> 01:00:44,395
i think there's a really

952
01:00:44,395 --> 01:00:45,128
important connection in

953
01:00:45,128 --> 01:00:48,499
the future Pure water and sewer

954
01:00:48,499 --> 01:00:49,367
whatever the subject matter is

955
01:00:49,367 --> 01:00:53,338
and I hope I can be allowed to

956
01:00:53,338 --> 01:00:54,105
make those connections and good

957
01:00:54,105 --> 01:00:54,772
luck that we can be allowed

958
01:00:54,772 --> 01:00:55,473
overall it's public to make

959
01:00:55,473 --> 01:00:57,873
those connections that public

960
01:00:58,776 --> 01:00:59,510
comment time that can be a

961
01:00:59,510 --> 01:01:01,910
little uncomfortable to council

962
01:01:03,548 --> 01:01:04,415
but we're trying for good.

963
01:01:04,415 --> 01:01:05,160
We're trying to offer a good

964
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:05,350
sense of how to view our

965
01:01:05,350 --> 01:01:05,717
issues.

966
01:01:05,717 --> 01:01:07,717
Good luck.

967
01:01:07,919 --> 01:01:08,186
How to work that out between

968
01:01:08,186 --> 01:01:08,987
us.

969
01:01:08,987 --> 01:01:12,390
With that said, pure water and

970
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:13,910
good luck that it's three years

971
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:13,858
now that I think it's supposed

972
01:01:13,858 --> 01:01:17,195
to be fully operational is what

973
01:01:17,195 --> 01:01:17,962
I'm learning recently and good

974
01:01:17,962 --> 01:01:22,162
luck we do that well and and

975
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,135
that we're honest and clear

976
01:01:23,135 --> 01:01:23,501
with each other how the process

977
01:01:23,501 --> 01:01:24,235
is going.

978
01:01:24,235 --> 01:01:24,903
I know we're trying to do that.

979
01:01:24,903 --> 01:01:27,205
Good luck and the continued

980
01:01:27,205 --> 01:01:27,906
efforts that we do that and

981
01:01:27,906 --> 01:01:28,640
make it a clear public process

982
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,240
for all of us and accountable

983
01:01:32,310 --> 01:01:35,910
to you Conclude item at 501 Is

984
01:01:36,615 --> 01:01:39,615
that is about an encampment

985
01:01:40,418 --> 01:01:41,850
resolution funding round two

986
01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:44,850
things I'm assuming this is

987
01:01:45,857 --> 01:01:46,523
yeah I know Oakland has been

988
01:01:46,523 --> 01:01:49,523
working on on their homeless

989
01:01:49,761 --> 01:01:50,428
issues and they've taken kind

990
01:01:50,428 --> 01:01:51,290
of a stringent approach

991
01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:51,630
sometimes and it's done

992
01:01:51,630 --> 01:01:53,630
something uncomfortable.

993
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:56,134
They backed off a bit and

994
01:01:56,134 --> 01:01:56,701
instead started working on

995
01:01:56,701 --> 01:01:57,680
cleaning items through

996
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,680
the city.

997
01:02:00,105 --> 01:02:00,872
How do how do you do clean up

998
01:02:00,872 --> 01:02:01,773
best practices if that can be a

999
01:02:01,773 --> 01:02:04,776
part of this process and best

1000
01:02:04,776 --> 01:02:05,177
cleanup practices using Cal

1001
01:02:05,177 --> 01:02:05,977
State money?

1002
01:02:05,977 --> 01:02:09,810
>> Good luck how to do that.

1003
01:02:09,810 --> 01:02:11,810
Thank you.

1004
01:02:12,284 --> 01:02:15,284
8700 after that entry I mean

1005
01:02:18,123 --> 01:02:21,723
8700 If you can please let me

1006
01:02:22,361 --> 01:02:22,961
know which item or items you

1007
01:02:22,961 --> 01:02:25,361
wish to speak to.

1008
01:02:26,732 --> 01:02:29,732
>> I will be speaking to 5154

1009
01:02:31,470 --> 01:02:31,736
to 57 And if I go one Thank

1010
01:02:31,736 --> 01:02:32,170
you.

1011
01:02:32,170 --> 01:02:32,704
>> Thank you.

1012
01:02:32,704 --> 01:02:34,704
Have three minutes.

1013
01:02:36,508 --> 01:02:38,508
Please proceed.

1014
01:02:39,811 --> 01:02:40,412
Joyce Any other See the three

1015
01:02:40,412 --> 01:02:43,412
heads up on the 51 that

1016
01:02:45,384 --> 01:02:46,151
the staff just spoke on Pulled

1017
01:02:46,151 --> 01:02:46,451
it out for a minute and spoke

1018
01:02:46,451 --> 01:02:47,386
on it.

1019
01:02:47,386 --> 01:02:51,256
I really as a public I really

1020
01:02:51,256 --> 01:02:51,857
really need more information in

1021
01:02:51,857 --> 01:02:54,857
the backup on the fecal

1022
01:02:54,959 --> 01:02:55,594
exemption and what's involved

1023
01:02:55,594 --> 01:02:56,295
there because you know I'm

1024
01:02:56,295 --> 01:02:59,295
really interested in Chico and

1025
01:02:59,565 --> 01:03:00,432
how the new changes are coming

1026
01:03:00,432 --> 01:03:04,320
into place So I need more

1027
01:03:04,603 --> 01:03:05,237
information on that.

1028
01:03:05,237 --> 01:03:05,637
I hope that's available.

1029
01:03:05,637 --> 01:03:07,637
Thank you.

1030
01:03:08,741 --> 01:03:09,708
I'm 54 to 57.

1031
01:03:09,708 --> 01:03:13,308
They are all pure water items

1032
01:03:14,179 --> 01:03:18,117
and I want to go on the record

1033
01:03:18,117 --> 01:03:18,784
again that this historic San

1034
01:03:18,784 --> 01:03:21,784
Diego water project has my

1035
01:03:26,692 --> 01:03:27,493
strong support and in on s5o1ba

1036
01:03:27,493 --> 01:03:29,893
homelessness item a new

1037
01:03:32,198 --> 01:03:36,398
agreement with h c d allows for

1038
01:03:36,735 --> 01:03:37,690
an admin update to the grant

1039
01:03:37,690 --> 01:03:39,690
program.

1040
01:03:41,273 --> 01:03:44,873
The new agreement will end in

1041
01:03:45,711 --> 01:03:46,678
APRIL APRIL 30th this year So

1042
01:03:46,678 --> 01:03:50,278
but what happened was good and

1043
01:03:50,849 --> 01:03:51,517
the encampment which is my old

1044
01:03:51,517 --> 01:03:53,917
central library across from

1045
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:55,688
the United States Postal

1046
01:03:55,688 --> 01:03:58,688
Service big, big, big, big

1047
01:03:59,491 --> 01:04:00,193
thank you to all those involved

1048
01:04:00,193 --> 01:04:02,593
on this encampment homeless

1049
01:04:05,364 --> 01:04:06,232
issue As I have spoken many,

1050
01:04:06,232 --> 01:04:09,935
many times on that I got to

1051
01:04:09,935 --> 01:04:10,368
know the people around the post

1052
01:04:10,368 --> 01:04:10,903
office there.

1053
01:04:10,903 --> 01:04:13,303
I talked with them.

1054
01:04:14,307 --> 01:04:14,707
We had they see conversations

1055
01:04:14,707 --> 01:04:15,641
at time.

1056
01:04:15,641 --> 01:04:19,745
It was a little scary at times

1057
01:04:19,745 --> 01:04:20,313
but I supported the encampment

1058
01:04:20,313 --> 01:04:22,713
ordinance and I think

1059
01:04:23,816 --> 01:04:24,517
the cleanup and the help that's

1060
01:04:24,517 --> 01:04:24,884
been done is really, really

1061
01:04:24,884 --> 01:04:26,884
terrific.

1062
01:04:28,387 --> 01:04:28,855
Now I will say this is

1063
01:04:28,855 --> 01:04:29,589
the truth.

1064
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:32,792
Some of it is coming back

1065
01:04:32,792 --> 01:04:33,493
around the post office again

1066
01:04:33,493 --> 01:04:36,493
and I'm concerned about that.

1067
01:04:39,298 --> 01:04:39,899
So I would love to all in and

1068
01:04:39,899 --> 01:04:40,400
great work and we're all

1069
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,000
involved in this.

1070
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:41,334
Listen to all the voices

1071
01:04:41,334 --> 01:04:43,334
please.

1072
01:04:43,936 --> 01:04:44,337
Thank you.

1073
01:04:44,337 --> 01:04:45,400
Thank you.

1074
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,400
Andrea, if you can please

1075
01:04:48,407 --> 01:04:49,275
unmute and let me know which

1076
01:04:49,275 --> 01:04:51,644
item or items you wish to speak

1077
01:04:51,644 --> 01:04:52,345
to by Andrea Ebbing I'd like to

1078
01:04:52,345 --> 01:04:55,345
speak to 5351 and the Pure

1079
01:04:57,150 --> 01:04:57,951
water as well.

1080
01:04:57,951 --> 01:04:58,418
>> You have three minutes.

1081
01:04:58,418 --> 01:04:58,785
Please proceed.

1082
01:04:58,785 --> 01:05:00,785
Thank you.

1083
01:05:01,821 --> 01:05:02,555
So the new gov applicant

1084
01:05:02,555 --> 01:05:05,555
tracking I think it's important

1085
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:07,160
we really look into what

1086
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:07,894
the capabilities are and

1087
01:05:07,894 --> 01:05:08,327
looking at people's backgrounds

1088
01:05:08,327 --> 01:05:10,327
and histories.

1089
01:05:11,530 --> 01:05:12,265
If we haven't learned from

1090
01:05:12,265 --> 01:05:12,932
the Amy NOx harm reduction case

1091
01:05:12,932 --> 01:05:15,332
where background checks were

1092
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:17,670
pulled but yet somehow her four

1093
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:20,700
year prison sentence for

1094
01:05:22,408 --> 01:05:23,109
massive fraud went undetected

1095
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:26,709
and then we continue to award

1096
01:05:27,147 --> 01:05:27,614
the millions of dollars for

1097
01:05:27,614 --> 01:05:28,415
harm reduction.

1098
01:05:28,415 --> 01:05:32,150
So that was you know, after

1099
01:05:32,850 --> 01:05:32,719
multiple reports of what was

1100
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:33,420
actually going on and then

1101
01:05:33,420 --> 01:05:34,540
continue to award them, that's

1102
01:05:34,540 --> 01:05:36,923
the same exact thing that

1103
01:05:36,923 --> 01:05:37,557
happened with the rehab

1104
01:05:37,557 --> 01:05:39,957
contract that is basically

1105
01:05:42,696 --> 01:05:43,363
uncovering everything that's

1106
01:05:43,363 --> 01:05:44,300
taking place in the county,

1107
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:44,497
the city in the malfeasance

1108
01:05:44,497 --> 01:05:46,497
side of things.

1109
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,100
So our just must have been

1110
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:48,668
updated or are just must have

1111
01:05:48,668 --> 01:05:51,668
been altered to allow these

1112
01:05:52,572 --> 01:05:53,173
criminal convictions huge

1113
01:05:53,173 --> 01:05:53,940
felonies to be removed.

1114
01:05:53,940 --> 01:05:58,140
So if we have a good tracking

1115
01:05:58,178 --> 01:05:58,878
system for applicants with

1116
01:05:58,878 --> 01:06:01,615
the county and city that would

1117
01:06:01,615 --> 01:06:02,749
be good on the 58.

1118
01:06:02,749 --> 01:06:07,286
So I think we need to look at

1119
01:06:07,286 --> 01:06:10,286
this this big case with

1120
01:06:11,525 --> 01:06:14,525
Mitchell drug kingpin that was

1121
01:06:16,997 --> 01:06:17,631
caught You know, we have

1122
01:06:17,631 --> 01:06:17,930
obviously there's ties to

1123
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:18,665
Diego.

1124
01:06:18,665 --> 01:06:22,265
I mean we're the border, right?

1125
01:06:22,535 --> 01:06:22,968
So we need to look at what's

1126
01:06:22,968 --> 01:06:24,968
going on here.

1127
01:06:26,506 --> 01:06:27,174
We need to pay attention to

1128
01:06:27,174 --> 01:06:30,174
the sewage crisis not making

1129
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:32,713
freight trucks more accessible

1130
01:06:32,713 --> 01:06:33,113
and easier to pass through

1131
01:06:33,113 --> 01:06:35,113
the border.

1132
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:41,618
Otay I have deep concerns about

1133
01:06:41,688 --> 01:06:42,456
the like the fact that the two

1134
01:06:42,456 --> 01:06:43,230
are to one a sewage crisis is

1135
01:06:43,230 --> 01:06:45,230
important priorities.

1136
01:06:45,893 --> 01:06:46,760
I like to see that we have

1137
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,360
items on here that look to

1138
01:06:51,865 --> 01:06:52,633
address it but we might want to

1139
01:06:52,633 --> 01:06:56,833
look at the ceo of sandag who

1140
01:06:57,104 --> 01:06:57,738
was appointed and then suddenly

1141
01:06:57,738 --> 01:07:00,738
Dora Vargas resigns out of

1142
01:07:02,109 --> 01:07:02,776
safety concerns and his primary

1143
01:07:02,776 --> 01:07:03,577
concern is okay and $130

1144
01:07:03,577 --> 01:07:06,577
million to replace conduit and

1145
01:07:07,915 --> 01:07:08,649
billions of dollars to allow

1146
01:07:08,649 --> 01:07:09,483
trucks to pass through quickly.

1147
01:07:09,483 --> 01:07:12,686
I don't know It doesn't seem

1148
01:07:12,686 --> 01:07:13,254
really legit to me.

1149
01:07:13,254 --> 01:07:13,654
It seems actually very

1150
01:07:13,654 --> 01:07:15,654
concerning.

1151
01:07:18,191 --> 01:07:18,959
So so yeah, let's let's clean

1152
01:07:18,959 --> 01:07:22,559
up sewage crisis and and not

1153
01:07:22,663 --> 01:07:23,364
think for one second that air

1154
01:07:23,364 --> 01:07:26,964
purifiers are going to do it

1155
01:07:28,335 --> 01:07:28,935
And that's about it.

1156
01:07:28,935 --> 01:07:29,303
>> Thank you.

1157
01:07:29,303 --> 01:07:29,937
Thank you.

1158
01:07:29,937 --> 01:07:30,637
The five minute timer did

1159
01:07:30,637 --> 01:07:31,271
conclude there's two speakers

1160
01:07:31,271 --> 01:07:33,671
and the keynote additional

1161
01:07:33,740 --> 01:07:34,475
speakers will be taken

1162
01:07:34,475 --> 01:07:35,208
the original and then seven 499

1163
01:07:35,208 --> 01:07:38,450
the original Please let me know

1164
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:38,479
which items or items you wish

1165
01:07:38,479 --> 01:07:40,479
to speak to.

1166
01:07:45,885 --> 01:07:46,320
Yes 54 through 6101 two one and

1167
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:46,687
then s501.

1168
01:07:46,687 --> 01:07:47,321
Thank you.

1169
01:07:47,321 --> 01:07:47,788
You'll have three minutes.

1170
01:07:47,788 --> 01:07:48,155
Please proceed.

1171
01:07:48,155 --> 01:07:50,155
All right.

1172
01:07:52,693 --> 01:07:53,394
Well, you know the problem with

1173
01:07:53,394 --> 01:07:54,128
the t1a river valley that you

1174
01:07:54,128 --> 01:07:56,831
guys are going to start wanting

1175
01:07:56,831 --> 01:07:57,465
to put that into the pure water

1176
01:07:57,465 --> 01:07:58,198
system and anything you're

1177
01:07:58,198 --> 01:08:01,402
doing with pure water and sewer

1178
01:08:01,402 --> 01:08:02,300
is super egregious because you

1179
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:02,736
guys are not only taking

1180
01:08:02,736 --> 01:08:05,736
billions of dollars from people

1181
01:08:06,673 --> 01:08:07,374
who are working really hard

1182
01:08:07,374 --> 01:08:10,974
trying to just survive but we

1183
01:08:12,613 --> 01:08:13,314
are using our fresh water for

1184
01:08:13,314 --> 01:08:16,914
A.I. Datacenters and live near

1185
01:08:17,551 --> 01:08:18,185
mining So when we're sitting

1186
01:08:18,185 --> 01:08:18,852
here talking about giving

1187
01:08:18,852 --> 01:08:21,852
people back their own sewage

1188
01:08:22,990 --> 01:08:23,691
that's why sewage and pure

1189
01:08:23,691 --> 01:08:24,900
water actually have to do with

1190
01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:26,900
each other.

1191
01:08:27,862 --> 01:08:28,563
They're not separate issues

1192
01:08:28,563 --> 01:08:29,297
because you're putting giving

1193
01:08:29,297 --> 01:08:32,897
us sewer water back Acting like

1194
01:08:33,501 --> 01:08:34,168
that is going to be beneficial

1195
01:08:34,168 --> 01:08:34,935
for the people And then you

1196
01:08:34,935 --> 01:08:35,803
talk by that water with a bunch

1197
01:08:35,803 --> 01:08:38,539
of chemicals and I mean let

1198
01:08:38,539 --> 01:08:39,206
alone the fluoride which is

1199
01:08:39,206 --> 01:08:39,941
runoff from fertilizer that

1200
01:08:39,941 --> 01:08:43,541
goes into the water that people

1201
01:08:44,780 --> 01:08:44,779
claim is good for your teeth

1202
01:08:44,779 --> 01:08:48,379
and all of those things you

1203
01:08:49,951 --> 01:08:50,685
guys need to put together how

1204
01:08:50,685 --> 01:08:51,352
much money you've spent on this

1205
01:08:51,352 --> 01:08:52,190
and really start to think if

1206
01:08:52,190 --> 01:08:54,789
you're doing what's best for

1207
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:55,523
the people when our freshwater

1208
01:08:55,523 --> 01:08:56,190
is being not only controlled

1209
01:08:56,190 --> 01:08:59,790
and diverted but it is being

1210
01:09:00,228 --> 01:09:00,728
used for things that is not

1211
01:09:00,728 --> 01:09:01,396
human consumption.

1212
01:09:01,396 --> 01:09:04,996
So it is ridiculous how much

1213
01:09:05,299 --> 01:09:06,670
money we've been spending on

1214
01:09:06,670 --> 01:09:06,801
that and you guys need to quit

1215
01:09:06,801 --> 01:09:09,801
doing your sole source permits.

1216
01:09:10,138 --> 01:09:11,500
It is another way that you guys

1217
01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:14,500
engage in fraud and including

1218
01:09:15,810 --> 01:09:16,544
with the emergency with

1219
01:09:16,544 --> 01:09:20,144
the single sole source that you

1220
01:09:21,150 --> 01:09:21,682
guys are doing you guys wait

1221
01:09:21,682 --> 01:09:22,283
till the last minute to take

1222
01:09:22,283 --> 01:09:25,283
care of things and it's

1223
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:26,788
absolutely ridiculous that you

1224
01:09:26,788 --> 01:09:27,454
know, we have to keep spending

1225
01:09:27,454 --> 01:09:28,156
more money and doing things

1226
01:09:28,156 --> 01:09:31,156
that you should be about

1227
01:09:32,126 --> 01:09:32,727
keeping at a regular basis just

1228
01:09:32,727 --> 01:09:33,428
like the homeless stuff.

1229
01:09:33,428 --> 01:09:37,165
You guys sit here and act like

1230
01:09:37,165 --> 01:09:37,866
you should not be doing it or

1231
01:09:37,866 --> 01:09:38,600
engaging in any more contracts

1232
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,600
until you actually do something

1233
01:09:42,970 --> 01:09:43,671
that is helping the homeless

1234
01:09:43,671 --> 01:09:44,372
than encampment that you guys

1235
01:09:44,372 --> 01:09:47,972
are talking about by the post

1236
01:09:48,710 --> 01:09:49,377
office every night people are

1237
01:09:49,377 --> 01:09:50,111
there sleeping because they

1238
01:09:50,111 --> 01:09:53,948
have nowhere to go and there is

1239
01:09:53,948 --> 01:09:54,483
no bathroom down there So

1240
01:09:54,483 --> 01:09:55,150
people are going to

1241
01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:55,849
the bathroom in the street.

1242
01:09:55,849 --> 01:09:59,888
Where do you expect them to go

1243
01:09:59,888 --> 01:10:00,622
if the bathroom is closed at

1244
01:10:00,622 --> 01:10:04,222
night and those people are just

1245
01:10:05,593 --> 01:10:06,940
outside your building at night

1246
01:10:06,940 --> 01:10:06,961
all over downtown.

1247
01:10:06,961 --> 01:10:07,629
But you guys sit here and you

1248
01:10:07,629 --> 01:10:10,629
profess just like the mayor

1249
01:10:10,932 --> 01:10:11,332
that everything is cleaned up.

1250
01:10:11,332 --> 01:10:11,832
That's.

1251
01:10:11,832 --> 01:10:12,334
It is.

1252
01:10:12,334 --> 01:10:14,334
People are dying.

1253
01:10:15,871 --> 01:10:16,671
You guys get people testing

1254
01:10:16,671 --> 01:10:17,405
strips for their drugs, you get

1255
01:10:17,405 --> 01:10:21,500
them pipes and needles and just

1256
01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:22,143
in case they overdose you're

1257
01:10:22,143 --> 01:10:22,878
not doing anything.

1258
01:10:22,878 --> 01:10:23,645
You put them in a tent city

1259
01:10:23,645 --> 01:10:26,645
where drinks for change in

1260
01:10:26,681 --> 01:10:27,415
downtown Partnership are

1261
01:10:27,415 --> 01:10:28,150
killing these people and having

1262
01:10:28,150 --> 01:10:31,750
them raped and then denying it.

1263
01:10:32,721 --> 01:10:33,488
There's no fire extinguisher

1264
01:10:33,488 --> 01:10:34,550
was like you guys need to

1265
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:34,758
really go in and audit

1266
01:10:34,758 --> 01:10:37,758
Everything needs to be audited

1267
01:10:38,794 --> 01:10:39,461
that you are doing with

1268
01:10:39,461 --> 01:10:40,130
the homeless because you are

1269
01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:40,862
taking advantage of them and

1270
01:10:40,862 --> 01:10:44,433
you act like you're cleaning it

1271
01:10:44,433 --> 01:10:45,167
up when all you do is have

1272
01:10:45,167 --> 01:10:45,901
downtown partnership go at them

1273
01:10:45,901 --> 01:10:46,635
at 6:00 in the morning and tell

1274
01:10:46,635 --> 01:10:49,638
them to leave so nobody sees it

1275
01:10:49,638 --> 01:10:50,338
So people don't go to work and

1276
01:10:50,338 --> 01:10:53,938
see what you guys are failing

1277
01:10:54,376 --> 01:10:55,377
at fixing Get your together

1278
01:10:55,377 --> 01:10:58,377
has concluded 7499 If you come

1279
01:10:59,982 --> 01:11:03,582
please unmute I'd like to speak

1280
01:11:06,855 --> 01:11:10,455
on items all the contract items

1281
01:11:10,626 --> 01:11:10,959
5360 (210)012-1212 three three

1282
01:11:10,959 --> 01:11:11,660
minutes.

1283
01:11:11,660 --> 01:11:14,600
>> Please proceed Bob because

1284
01:11:17,299 --> 01:11:18,167
this year I 7259 6162 101 to 1

1285
01:11:18,167 --> 01:11:21,270
and one All three are all

1286
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:21,670
contracts with private

1287
01:11:21,670 --> 01:11:22,404
businesses.

1288
01:11:22,404 --> 01:11:23,710
Let's review a few case studies

1289
01:11:23,710 --> 01:11:25,471
relating to private business

1290
01:11:26,942 --> 01:11:27,609
contracts with the city.

1291
01:11:27,609 --> 01:11:28,277
Does anyone remember the red

1292
01:11:28,277 --> 01:11:28,944
light camera deal that Mayor

1293
01:11:28,944 --> 01:11:31,944
Sanders made with a private

1294
01:11:32,581 --> 01:11:33,315
business?

1295
01:11:33,315 --> 01:11:33,983
That business got a cut of

1296
01:11:33,983 --> 01:11:34,550
the money from those tickets

1297
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:37,550
And what did we find?

1298
01:11:38,420 --> 01:11:39,880
Well, of course we found that

1299
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:39,788
there was a conflict of

1300
01:11:39,788 --> 01:11:40,488
interest between the business

1301
01:11:40,488 --> 01:11:42,888
profit and justice prohibited.

1302
01:11:43,759 --> 01:11:44,259
Fortunately, Mayor Filner

1303
01:11:44,259 --> 01:11:44,827
stopped that scam.

1304
01:11:44,827 --> 01:11:45,561
What do we see with

1305
01:11:45,561 --> 01:11:48,561
the contract in Highland Cloud?

1306
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:50,733
We see that citizens have to go

1307
01:11:50,733 --> 01:11:51,433
to a private website to obtain

1308
01:11:51,433 --> 01:11:53,833
city documents, the documents

1309
01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:55,437
and other materials are created

1310
01:11:55,437 --> 01:11:56,710
by the city but rather than

1311
01:11:56,710 --> 01:11:56,672
publish those documents on

1312
01:11:56,672 --> 01:11:59,720
the city's own website,

1313
01:12:00,509 --> 01:12:01,176
the city is paying an outside

1314
01:12:01,176 --> 01:12:01,877
business to host those items

1315
01:12:01,877 --> 01:12:05,477
The citizens have to visit or

1316
01:12:06,148 --> 01:12:06,649
be registered with private for

1317
01:12:06,649 --> 01:12:07,316
profit businesses.

1318
01:12:07,316 --> 01:12:07,850
They get city documents and

1319
01:12:07,850 --> 01:12:09,850
notice that's crazy.

1320
01:12:12,253 --> 01:12:12,955
What do we see with a business

1321
01:12:12,955 --> 01:12:13,656
managing our own John's Park a

1322
01:12:13,656 --> 01:12:14,323
parking structure We see that

1323
01:12:14,323 --> 01:12:17,323
the business decided it was

1324
01:12:17,994 --> 01:12:18,727
inconvenient to accept cash so

1325
01:12:18,727 --> 01:12:19,428
therefore citizens do have some

1326
01:12:19,428 --> 01:12:22,428
other form of private business

1327
01:12:23,165 --> 01:12:23,766
relationship such as the credit

1328
01:12:23,766 --> 01:12:24,500
card the in our parking

1329
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:25,134
structure as I mentioned before

1330
01:12:25,134 --> 01:12:27,534
I personally resisted that

1331
01:12:29,105 --> 01:12:29,772
practice and are now has been

1332
01:12:29,772 --> 01:12:30,339
gracious enough to accept my

1333
01:12:30,339 --> 01:12:31,700
cash payments so far.

1334
01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:34,700
But this shows how business

1335
01:12:34,877 --> 01:12:35,610
interests cannot be trusted to

1336
01:12:35,610 --> 01:12:38,100
manage public resources without

1337
01:12:40,649 --> 01:12:41,350
some form of oversight And

1338
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:42,510
the granddaddy of them all is

1339
01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:45,510
the Torrey Pines Glider port.

1340
01:12:46,522 --> 01:12:47,223
That's a tricky one Because of

1341
01:12:47,223 --> 01:12:47,957
the two steps removed the city

1342
01:12:47,957 --> 01:12:48,558
leases are part to the business

1343
01:12:48,558 --> 01:12:50,958
known as our California

1344
01:12:51,827 --> 01:12:52,527
Adventure And then our

1345
01:12:52,527 --> 01:12:53,162
California adventure requires

1346
01:12:53,162 --> 01:12:53,896
citizens to be members of

1347
01:12:53,896 --> 01:12:56,896
another business called Uber to

1348
01:12:57,567 --> 01:12:58,267
use the site usually has

1349
01:12:58,267 --> 01:12:58,968
decided that it can use public

1350
01:12:58,968 --> 01:13:01,968
testimony in court or even

1351
01:13:03,572 --> 01:13:04,239
public testimony to this city

1352
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:04,774
council as justification for

1353
01:13:04,774 --> 01:13:05,208
expulsion from their

1354
01:13:05,208 --> 01:13:07,208
organization.

1355
01:13:10,580 --> 01:13:11,247
I know this because I was

1356
01:13:11,247 --> 01:13:11,848
expelled from you explicitly

1357
01:13:11,848 --> 01:13:12,181
for my speeches to this

1358
01:13:12,181 --> 01:13:14,181
council.

1359
01:13:17,186 --> 01:13:17,487
So it's a California adventure

1360
01:13:17,487 --> 01:13:18,254
.

1361
01:13:18,254 --> 01:13:18,988
Simply go to your phone and ask

1362
01:13:18,988 --> 01:13:19,589
them to expel anyone they don't

1363
01:13:19,589 --> 01:13:20,156
like You submit as their

1364
01:13:20,156 --> 01:13:22,125
bidding so that their

1365
01:13:22,125 --> 01:13:22,825
California adventure can say

1366
01:13:22,825 --> 01:13:23,526
Sorry it's not our fault but

1367
01:13:23,526 --> 01:13:27,126
you can't use the park because

1368
01:13:27,964 --> 01:13:28,731
you're not a member of use for

1369
01:13:28,731 --> 01:13:29,465
Joel and Todd Gloria both know

1370
01:13:29,465 --> 01:13:32,835
about this little game but they

1371
01:13:32,835 --> 01:13:33,536
both look the other way And

1372
01:13:33,536 --> 01:13:34,237
the relationship between real

1373
01:13:34,237 --> 01:13:34,904
estate assets and the business

1374
01:13:34,904 --> 01:13:38,504
is far too chummy to provide

1375
01:13:39,843 --> 01:13:40,677
any effective oversight.

1376
01:13:40,677 --> 01:13:41,377
If you doubt me, file a Freedom

1377
01:13:41,377 --> 01:13:44,377
of Information Act request for

1378
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:45,682
the email between cities Rosita

1379
01:13:45,682 --> 01:13:46,349
Sanchez and her California

1380
01:13:46,349 --> 01:13:47,149
venture You'll be surprised.

1381
01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:51,349
And of course as you all know

1382
01:13:51,588 --> 01:13:52,321
there's no advisory board to

1383
01:13:52,321 --> 01:13:52,688
advise the city on this corrupt

1384
01:13:52,688 --> 01:13:53,356
situation.

1385
01:13:53,356 --> 01:13:56,826
So it continues to this day

1386
01:13:56,826 --> 01:13:57,460
under all of your noses In all

1387
01:13:57,460 --> 01:13:58,194
of these cases the abuses

1388
01:13:58,194 --> 01:14:01,794
result from a dirty mixture of

1389
01:14:03,330 --> 01:14:03,732
our government monopoly and

1390
01:14:03,732 --> 01:14:04,367
private business greed without

1391
01:14:04,367 --> 01:14:06,367
appropriate oversight with

1392
01:14:09,372 --> 01:14:10,600
regard to all of the contracts

1393
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:10,674
in these 15 items I am

1394
01:14:10,674 --> 01:14:13,740
demanding that this Council

1395
01:14:15,145 --> 01:14:15,812
ensure that there is proper

1396
01:14:15,812 --> 01:14:16,546
oversight to guarantee that

1397
01:14:16,546 --> 01:14:19,546
citizens rights are not abused.

1398
01:14:21,484 --> 01:14:22,850
And with regard to the Council

1399
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:24,485
your time has concluded.

1400
01:14:26,689 --> 01:14:27,489
>> If you raise your hand after

1401
01:14:27,489 --> 01:14:28,124
the five minute time or you can

1402
01:14:28,124 --> 01:14:28,792
definitely call or send an

1403
01:14:28,792 --> 01:14:29,393
email through city clerk to

1404
01:14:29,393 --> 01:14:32,329
find out that that does

1405
01:14:32,329 --> 01:14:32,863
conclude public comment on

1406
01:14:32,863 --> 01:14:33,230
the consent agenda.

1407
01:14:33,230 --> 01:14:33,796
All right.

1408
01:14:33,796 --> 01:14:34,497
Thank you City Clerk.

1409
01:14:34,497 --> 01:14:37,767
So I will now turn it over to

1410
01:14:37,767 --> 01:14:38,502
council members questions,

1411
01:14:38,502 --> 01:14:39,690
comments and entertain a motion

1412
01:14:39,690 --> 01:14:39,469
and not see anybody in

1413
01:14:39,469 --> 01:14:41,469
the lights.

1414
01:14:44,540 --> 01:14:45,274
I'll move the consent items

1415
01:14:45,274 --> 01:14:48,274
through next to council members

1416
01:14:50,580 --> 01:14:51,181
Council PRESIDENT Pro Can we

1417
01:14:51,181 --> 01:14:51,581
all have our second to

1418
01:14:51,581 --> 01:14:51,948
the motion?

1419
01:14:51,948 --> 01:14:52,648
All right.

1420
01:14:52,648 --> 01:14:56,248
And then we also have Council

1421
01:14:58,854 --> 01:14:59,156
member Foster on the lights Now

1422
01:14:59,156 --> 01:14:59,455
.

1423
01:14:59,455 --> 01:15:00,490
Yes.

1424
01:15:00,490 --> 01:15:03,994
I just want to speak briefly to

1425
01:15:03,994 --> 01:15:04,594
item one for Pearce.

1426
01:15:04,594 --> 01:15:05,262
This item addresses a

1427
01:15:05,262 --> 01:15:07,662
settlement of some insurance

1428
01:15:09,533 --> 01:15:11,933
subrogation claims related to

1429
01:15:14,338 --> 01:15:15,500
the JANUARY 2020 to the JANUARY

1430
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:15,739
22nd 2024 floods just while

1431
01:15:15,739 --> 01:15:18,139
we're resolving this litigation

1432
01:15:19,943 --> 01:15:20,844
I just can't say enough that we

1433
01:15:20,844 --> 01:15:25,440
need to make sure that we are

1434
01:15:26,216 --> 01:15:26,783
continuing to remain focused on

1435
01:15:26,783 --> 01:15:27,484
our impacted families.

1436
01:15:27,484 --> 01:15:30,484
Most of these families are

1437
01:15:32,455 --> 01:15:33,900
still navigating repairs and

1438
01:15:33,900 --> 01:15:35,490
doing financial strain and

1439
01:15:38,629 --> 01:15:39,396
uncertainty and some impacted

1440
01:15:39,396 --> 01:15:39,863
did not have adequate insurance

1441
01:15:39,863 --> 01:15:40,597
coverage at all.

1442
01:15:40,597 --> 01:15:44,668
So I just want to let my

1443
01:15:44,668 --> 01:15:45,302
community know that I remain

1444
01:15:45,302 --> 01:15:45,936
committed to ensuring that

1445
01:15:45,936 --> 01:15:46,603
the city continues working

1446
01:15:46,603 --> 01:15:48,728
towards keeping our channels

1447
01:15:48,728 --> 01:15:50,140
and waterways clear of debris

1448
01:15:50,140 --> 01:15:52,540
and implementing long term

1449
01:15:58,282 --> 01:15:58,621
solutions so that our most

1450
01:15:58,621 --> 01:15:58,805
vulnerable communities are not

1451
01:15:58,805 --> 01:15:58,992
left behind.

1452
01:15:58,992 --> 01:15:59,170
So just want to make sure that

1453
01:15:59,170 --> 01:15:59,352
we are continuing to do

1454
01:15:59,352 --> 01:15:59,530
the good work and meet our

1455
01:15:59,530 --> 01:15:59,708
commitments.

1456
01:15:59,708 --> 01:15:59,887
Thank you.

1457
01:15:59,887 --> 01:16:01,887
All right.

1458
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:03,153
Thank you, Captain Foster for

1459
01:16:03,153 --> 01:16:03,853
your comments.

1460
01:16:03,853 --> 01:16:04,555
We'll go next to Councilmember

1461
01:16:04,555 --> 01:16:04,922
Gila Rivera Thank you, Council

1462
01:16:04,922 --> 01:16:06,922
PRESIDENT.

1463
01:16:07,758 --> 01:16:08,425
I just want to say thank you,

1464
01:16:08,425 --> 01:16:09,260
COUNCILMAN Foster for making

1465
01:16:09,260 --> 01:16:09,693
sure that parts explicit

1466
01:16:09,693 --> 01:16:12,693
Obviously the folks who were

1467
01:16:14,531 --> 01:16:15,232
impacted continue to be

1468
01:16:15,232 --> 01:16:15,900
impacted regardless of whether

1469
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:19,500
or not they've been able to

1470
01:16:19,703 --> 01:16:20,337
return back to their homes,

1471
01:16:20,337 --> 01:16:20,971
whether that's from still

1472
01:16:20,971 --> 01:16:23,371
picking up pieces, living

1473
01:16:26,577 --> 01:16:27,278
somewhere else or the trauma

1474
01:16:27,278 --> 01:16:27,578
that comes with every time it

1475
01:16:27,578 --> 01:16:29,578
rains.

1476
01:16:33,751 --> 01:16:34,451
So I just very much appreciate

1477
01:16:34,451 --> 01:16:35,860
Councilmember Foster learning

1478
01:16:35,860 --> 01:16:35,786
folks and that we haven't

1479
01:16:35,786 --> 01:16:36,487
forgotten about what happened

1480
01:16:36,487 --> 01:16:38,522
or about the responsibilities

1481
01:16:38,522 --> 01:16:38,923
that we have to be forward.

1482
01:16:38,923 --> 01:16:39,590
Thank you.

1483
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:40,290
Council PRESIDENT All right.

1484
01:16:40,290 --> 01:16:40,591
Thank you Council member Gila

1485
01:16:40,591 --> 01:16:41,258
River.

1486
01:16:41,258 --> 01:16:44,950
And I will add that when you

1487
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:44,762
have these complex litigation

1488
01:16:44,762 --> 01:16:45,463
matters can be difficult for

1489
01:16:45,463 --> 01:16:46,129
the public to understand what

1490
01:16:46,129 --> 01:16:46,397
we're doing, how we're doing

1491
01:16:46,397 --> 01:16:48,397
it.

1492
01:16:49,533 --> 01:16:49,900
I thought that was a good

1493
01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:50,568
reminder.

1494
01:16:50,568 --> 01:16:52,968
Councilmember Foster So with

1495
01:16:56,340 --> 01:16:57,108
that we have a motion by myself

1496
01:16:57,108 --> 01:16:57,908
to move the consent items with

1497
01:16:57,908 --> 01:17:01,212
the removal of one of three and

1498
01:17:01,212 --> 01:17:01,913
it's 500 and we'll hear next in

1499
01:17:01,913 --> 01:17:02,613
a second by Council PRESIDENT

1500
01:17:02,613 --> 01:17:02,980
Pro Tem Lee Clerk Please call

1501
01:17:02,980 --> 01:17:04,382
the roll.

1502
01:17:04,382 --> 01:17:07,382
I'm sorry the voting system

1503
01:17:10,254 --> 01:17:13,254
Please cast your vote that

1504
01:17:18,796 --> 01:17:19,497
passes unanimously 6 to 0 with

1505
01:17:19,497 --> 01:17:20,231
council member Moreno, counsel

1506
01:17:20,231 --> 01:17:21,999
for Campi and Councilmember Von

1507
01:17:21,999 --> 01:17:22,767
Loper Absent.

1508
01:17:22,767 --> 01:17:23,134
Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.

1509
01:17:23,134 --> 01:17:23,500
All right.

1510
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:24,368
Thank you.

1511
01:17:24,368 --> 01:17:27,968
As I described, we will now

1512
01:17:28,539 --> 01:17:29,730
hear the two items that I

1513
01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:29,773
pulled from consent.

1514
01:17:29,773 --> 01:17:32,173
>> clerk Please introduce item

1515
01:17:35,380 --> 01:17:36,130
103 I Number 103 is the Second

1516
01:17:36,130 --> 01:17:36,681
Amendment to Agreement for

1517
01:17:36,681 --> 01:17:39,810
Legal Services with Schwartz

1518
01:17:39,383 --> 01:17:40,840
Sommer Janet Colley Shatner and

1519
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:40,752
Bush llp to provide continuing

1520
01:17:40,752 --> 01:17:43,752
legal services as a panel

1521
01:17:47,158 --> 01:17:47,926
outside counsel If you'd like

1522
01:17:47,926 --> 01:17:48,626
to speak to this item please be

1523
01:17:48,626 --> 01:17:49,292
sure to submit a speaker side

1524
01:17:49,292 --> 01:17:52,964
to the front of the room in

1525
01:17:52,964 --> 01:17:53,231
the clear desk in the clear

1526
01:17:53,231 --> 01:17:53,831
box.

1527
01:17:53,831 --> 01:17:54,398
We're here participating

1528
01:17:54,398 --> 01:17:55,660
remotely Start line of

1529
01:17:55,660 --> 01:17:55,732
the Raise your hand I think.

1530
01:17:55,732 --> 01:17:57,368
Council PRESIDENT All right.

1531
01:17:57,368 --> 01:17:58,303
Thank you.

1532
01:17:58,303 --> 01:17:59,370
Do any of my colleagues need to

1533
01:17:59,370 --> 01:17:59,804
hear a presentation on this Not

1534
01:17:59,804 --> 01:18:03,404
hearing anyone So we will waive

1535
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:05,410
the presentation but I

1536
01:18:05,410 --> 01:18:06,110
appreciate you being here MR.

1537
01:18:06,110 --> 01:18:08,947
Now so with that clerk please

1538
01:18:08,947 --> 01:18:09,647
proceed with public comment on

1539
01:18:09,647 --> 01:18:10,315
item 103 There are no public

1540
01:18:10,315 --> 01:18:10,949
there are no public speakers

1541
01:18:10,949 --> 01:18:13,349
here in council chambers.

1542
01:18:13,651 --> 01:18:14,352
One of those participating

1543
01:18:14,352 --> 01:18:17,352
remotely the original You have

1544
01:18:19,657 --> 01:18:20,125
two minutes please on mute.

1545
01:18:20,125 --> 01:18:20,892
Two minutes.

1546
01:18:20,892 --> 01:18:24,492
I get that you guys have

1547
01:18:24,763 --> 01:18:25,620
problems that you did this.

1548
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:25,730
Yeah.

1549
01:18:25,730 --> 01:18:26,431
It's interesting because you

1550
01:18:26,431 --> 01:18:30,310
know we are always paying for

1551
01:18:30,734 --> 01:18:31,103
you guys to have legal

1552
01:18:31,103 --> 01:18:31,803
services.

1553
01:18:31,803 --> 01:18:35,403
You know you've got your city

1554
01:18:37,843 --> 01:18:38,677
attorney, your county council.

1555
01:18:38,677 --> 01:18:39,277
We have the district all these

1556
01:18:39,277 --> 01:18:42,277
people in play to really

1557
01:18:44,849 --> 01:18:45,650
protect the organized crime You

1558
01:18:45,650 --> 01:18:48,687
guys are And it's sad because

1559
01:18:48,687 --> 01:18:49,354
then the people need to get

1560
01:18:49,354 --> 01:18:49,855
justice somehow We've got to

1561
01:18:49,855 --> 01:18:52,255
find our own way.

1562
01:18:54,726 --> 01:18:55,360
But you guys use our money

1563
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:56,940
the money that people work

1564
01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:56,828
really hard to cover your butts

1565
01:18:56,828 --> 01:19:01,280
and the things that you do that

1566
01:19:01,233 --> 01:19:04,233
are so egregious like not

1567
01:19:43,417 --> 01:19:43,760
taking care of infrastructure,

1568
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:43,940
like harming the homeless, like

1569
01:19:43,940 --> 01:19:44,118
harming children.

1570
01:19:44,118 --> 01:19:44,296
I mean it's pretty ridiculous

1571
01:19:44,296 --> 01:19:44,476
how much money we have to spend

1572
01:19:44,476 --> 01:19:44,657
to do that.

1573
01:19:44,657 --> 01:19:44,836
I feel like because you guys

1574
01:19:44,836 --> 01:19:45,160
are engaged in it you're

1575
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:45,197
choosing to do that that on a

1576
01:19:45,197 --> 01:19:45,380
personal capacity you should be

1577
01:19:45,380 --> 01:19:45,563
responsible because even

1578
01:19:45,563 --> 01:19:45,742
the money that comes out of

1579
01:19:45,742 --> 01:19:45,920
settlements due to your guys's

1580
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:46,104
negligence comes from

1581
01:19:46,104 --> 01:19:46,282
the people we have to pay that

1582
01:19:46,282 --> 01:19:46,463
off And it's like you guys sit

1583
01:19:46,463 --> 01:19:46,643
here and you act like what

1584
01:19:46,643 --> 01:19:46,827
you're doing is beneficial to

1585
01:19:46,827 --> 01:19:47,900
the community.

1586
01:19:47,900 --> 01:19:47,204
I'm just wondering when that's

1587
01:19:47,204 --> 01:19:47,382
actually going to happen, when

1588
01:19:47,382 --> 01:19:47,561
you're going to need all these

1589
01:19:47,561 --> 01:19:47,740
attorneys to protect you and to

1590
01:19:47,740 --> 01:19:47,923
make sure that they because

1591
01:19:47,923 --> 01:19:48,102
they don't sit here and make

1592
01:19:48,102 --> 01:19:48,284
sure that you're not violating

1593
01:19:48,284 --> 01:19:48,464
people's civil rights, that

1594
01:19:48,464 --> 01:19:48,648
you're not you know, wasting

1595
01:19:48,648 --> 01:19:48,947
people's money engaging in

1596
01:19:48,947 --> 01:19:49,648
fraud, waste and abuse and

1597
01:19:49,648 --> 01:19:52,648
stuff like that's exposed all

1598
01:19:54,319 --> 01:19:55,200
the time that you guys have

1599
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:55,621
the protection behind you And

1600
01:19:55,621 --> 01:19:56,288
you also should be held

1601
01:19:56,288 --> 01:19:58,688
personally liable for that.

1602
01:20:01,493 --> 01:20:02,160
So it's it's ridiculous

1603
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:02,828
the kinds of things that we

1604
01:20:02,828 --> 01:20:03,461
have to spend money on when

1605
01:20:03,461 --> 01:20:06,461
again people are out on

1606
01:20:07,799 --> 01:20:08,434
the streets just wanting to get

1607
01:20:08,434 --> 01:20:09,680
into some kind of shelter

1608
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:09,734
because they see all these

1609
01:20:09,734 --> 01:20:13,334
homes go up around them and

1610
01:20:13,772 --> 01:20:14,106
think oh, is that going to be

1611
01:20:14,106 --> 01:20:14,806
for us?

1612
01:20:14,806 --> 01:20:15,541
And it's like no, that's not

1613
01:20:15,541 --> 01:20:16,208
for you guys but here take some

1614
01:20:16,208 --> 01:20:19,208
Narcan and some needles and

1615
01:20:20,579 --> 01:20:21,460
pipes go do some drugs or you

1616
01:20:21,460 --> 01:20:21,780
want to test it.

1617
01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:22,470
Here's a test strip and you got

1618
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:24,470
it.

1619
01:20:25,851 --> 01:20:30,510
So that's it Just see what you

1620
01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:32,358
guys do, what that does, what

1621
01:20:32,358 --> 01:20:34,358
everybody can please.

1622
01:20:37,950 --> 01:20:37,830
>> I mean I just I'm just

1623
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:41,430
asking if we contract with this

1624
01:20:42,868 --> 01:20:43,535
law firm if we look at every

1625
01:20:43,535 --> 01:20:44,203
single individual in the law

1626
01:20:44,203 --> 01:20:44,904
firm and who's for 60 forms

1627
01:20:44,904 --> 01:20:48,504
they appear on I guarantee you

1628
01:20:48,941 --> 01:20:49,608
they're all over summer

1629
01:20:49,608 --> 01:20:53,208
Steffens And if they are I'm

1630
01:20:54,613 --> 01:20:55,448
asking that the board do does

1631
01:20:55,448 --> 01:20:56,820
take a look at the relationship

1632
01:20:56,820 --> 01:20:59,820
between this firm and her

1633
01:21:01,854 --> 01:21:02,555
office and her family.

1634
01:21:02,555 --> 01:21:03,254
Her family makes every single

1635
01:21:03,254 --> 01:21:03,956
decision every single court in

1636
01:21:03,956 --> 01:21:06,792
San Diego and has done so for

1637
01:21:06,792 --> 01:21:07,593
years decades right.

1638
01:21:07,593 --> 01:21:08,127
So I think that's an important

1639
01:21:08,127 --> 01:21:10,527
one for the people.

1640
01:21:12,765 --> 01:21:13,466
So if if this law firm is

1641
01:21:13,466 --> 01:21:14,100
the one selected to I guess

1642
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:16,500
represent the city against

1643
01:21:19,605 --> 01:21:20,273
the people or the county, I'm

1644
01:21:20,273 --> 01:21:20,907
not quite sure what it is.

1645
01:21:20,907 --> 01:21:21,574
It seems like probably for

1646
01:21:21,574 --> 01:21:22,174
white collar crime, right to

1647
01:21:22,174 --> 01:21:25,174
cover up all that stuff.

1648
01:21:26,780 --> 01:21:26,712
So we can just kind of track

1649
01:21:26,712 --> 01:21:27,212
those campaign donations.

1650
01:21:27,212 --> 01:21:29,212
It's vote outcome.

1651
01:21:30,183 --> 01:21:30,850
Look up the 460 forms and we

1652
01:21:30,850 --> 01:21:31,551
should look at every single

1653
01:21:31,551 --> 01:21:35,151
attorney in this firm and who

1654
01:21:35,788 --> 01:21:36,589
they're paying off.

1655
01:21:36,589 --> 01:21:37,323
It's really unfortunate that we

1656
01:21:37,323 --> 01:21:40,323
have so much malfeasance going

1657
01:21:41,694 --> 01:21:42,628
on that's gone unchecked.

1658
01:21:42,628 --> 01:21:43,495
So if we do go with this firm

1659
01:21:43,495 --> 01:21:47,950
firm I'm asking you to please

1660
01:21:48,201 --> 01:21:48,901
see how we as residents, as a

1661
01:21:48,901 --> 01:21:49,369
community can hold the people

1662
01:21:49,369 --> 01:21:51,369
accountable that

1663
01:21:54,707 --> 01:21:55,408
the organization is like

1664
01:21:55,408 --> 01:21:56,750
the bar, the state bar and spc

1665
01:21:56,750 --> 01:21:58,475
and the Judicial Commission

1666
01:21:59,746 --> 01:22:00,313
Commission employees practices

1667
01:22:00,313 --> 01:22:00,713
refuse to hold people

1668
01:22:00,713 --> 01:22:02,713
accountable.

1669
01:22:05,952 --> 01:22:06,486
We have the district attorney I

1670
01:22:06,486 --> 01:22:07,220
know the city okay?

1671
01:22:07,220 --> 01:22:10,820
But when we have somebody going

1672
01:22:12,392 --> 01:22:13,920
up and saying oh my gosh,

1673
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:13,826
Amanda Knox or whatever it Amy

1674
01:22:13,826 --> 01:22:16,826
not spent hundreds of thousands

1675
01:22:17,363 --> 01:22:18,630
of dollars on plastic surgery

1676
01:22:18,630 --> 01:22:18,765
and credit card payments yet

1677
01:22:18,765 --> 01:22:21,765
she herself has paid hundreds

1678
01:22:23,837 --> 01:22:24,571
of thousands of dollars very

1679
01:22:24,571 --> 01:22:25,271
openly in credit card payments

1680
01:22:25,271 --> 01:22:25,572
with taxpayer dollars campaign

1681
01:22:25,572 --> 01:22:27,572
funds.

1682
01:22:30,610 --> 01:22:31,100
But we can't hold her

1683
01:22:31,100 --> 01:22:31,678
accountable.

1684
01:22:31,678 --> 01:22:32,412
She has 2 million identical

1685
01:22:32,412 --> 01:22:32,778
campaign transactions to Nathan

1686
01:22:32,778 --> 01:22:34,778
Fletcher.

1687
01:22:35,915 --> 01:22:36,616
We can't hold her accountable.

1688
01:22:36,616 --> 01:22:37,317
Maybe these attorneys can but

1689
01:22:37,317 --> 01:22:38,510
only if they're not paying her

1690
01:22:38,510 --> 01:22:38,485
off And I guarantee you they're

1691
01:22:38,485 --> 01:22:40,485
in her system.

1692
01:22:41,755 --> 01:22:42,722
Thank you.

1693
01:22:42,722 --> 01:22:45,722
Next 27499 If you can please

1694
01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:48,694
unmute club because this year I

1695
01:22:48,694 --> 01:22:51,940
don't have any prepared

1696
01:22:53,330 --> 01:22:53,700
comments on this item but I do

1697
01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:54,333
want to add my voice to

1698
01:22:54,333 --> 01:22:54,901
the concerns expressed by

1699
01:22:54,901 --> 01:22:56,901
the previous speakers.

1700
01:22:58,672 --> 01:22:59,139
Thank you.

1701
01:22:59,139 --> 01:23:00,106
>> Thank you.

1702
01:23:00,106 --> 01:23:03,706
Next is Ernie Casco and then

1703
01:23:09,983 --> 01:23:11,983
8700 30 332 asco here One

1704
01:23:14,588 --> 01:23:15,489
second I'm speaking on item 30

1705
01:23:15,489 --> 01:23:16,890
a few minutes ago You would not

1706
01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:16,756
let me speak concerning

1707
01:23:16,756 --> 01:23:19,156
violence and prevention and

1708
01:23:21,194 --> 01:23:21,995
your poor decisions.

1709
01:23:21,995 --> 01:23:22,729
It's time to stop the crime

1710
01:23:22,729 --> 01:23:23,330
within your own administration.

1711
01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:25,730
Torrey Pines Glad report

1712
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:27,467
Complaint is well documented on

1713
01:23:27,467 --> 01:23:28,301
your desk.

1714
01:23:28,301 --> 01:23:31,405
>> This is one of three where

1715
01:23:31,405 --> 01:23:32,205
we're talking about item one of

1716
01:23:32,205 --> 01:23:32,973
three So if you want to speak

1717
01:23:32,973 --> 01:23:36,573
to that we're happy to hear

1718
01:23:38,345 --> 01:23:38,879
your comments not agenda public

1719
01:23:38,879 --> 01:23:40,879
comment will follow.

1720
01:23:44,318 --> 01:23:45,520
I have asked you to unmute if

1721
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:45,652
you'd like to speak on I don't

1722
01:23:45,652 --> 01:23:46,190
want to hear three legal

1723
01:23:46,190 --> 01:23:48,190
services.

1724
01:23:49,523 --> 01:23:49,823
>> This is on legal services.

1725
01:23:49,823 --> 01:23:50,757
Okay.

1726
01:23:50,757 --> 01:23:51,910
Let me go back to what I was

1727
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:53,910
saying.

1728
01:23:55,295 --> 01:23:55,895
I should not be forced to sign

1729
01:23:55,895 --> 01:23:58,895
any legal waiver or city

1730
01:24:01,268 --> 01:24:01,969
liabilities while you're

1731
01:24:01,969 --> 01:24:02,603
already covered by California

1732
01:24:02,603 --> 01:24:03,270
recreational statue laws.

1733
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:05,670
This is misappropriation of

1734
01:24:07,574 --> 01:24:08,342
public money going into private

1735
01:24:08,342 --> 01:24:11,942
accounts and and demands a full

1736
01:24:13,547 --> 01:24:14,181
transparent city audit that

1737
01:24:14,181 --> 01:24:14,848
would end the corruption.

1738
01:24:14,848 --> 01:24:18,448
It's time to stop the crime

1739
01:24:19,453 --> 01:24:20,187
within in your administration

1740
01:24:20,187 --> 01:24:23,187
Torrey Pines Gary Port complain

1741
01:24:24,958 --> 01:24:25,726
is well documented on your desk

1742
01:24:25,726 --> 01:24:26,426
It's illegal for anyone to turn

1743
01:24:26,426 --> 01:24:27,361
a freedom into a privilege for

1744
01:24:27,361 --> 01:24:30,965
a license and a fee under any

1745
01:24:30,965 --> 01:24:31,332
terms, circumstances or

1746
01:24:31,332 --> 01:24:31,931
condition.

1747
01:24:31,931 --> 01:24:32,566
Allowing this crime and

1748
01:24:32,566 --> 01:24:35,566
violence to continue is a

1749
01:24:36,971 --> 01:24:37,638
violation of your oath and

1750
01:24:37,638 --> 01:24:38,105
automatic forfeiture of your

1751
01:24:38,105 --> 01:24:40,105
chair of office.

1752
01:24:42,943 --> 01:24:43,611
We have a petition Black Beach

1753
01:24:43,611 --> 01:24:44,311
recreational scandal to stop

1754
01:24:44,311 --> 01:24:45,120
the illegal commercialization

1755
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,120
and privatization of San Diego

1756
01:24:48,616 --> 01:24:49,149
parks with hundreds of

1757
01:24:49,149 --> 01:24:49,750
signatures demanding

1758
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:50,160
authorities take action.

1759
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,160
Why?

1760
01:24:55,488 --> 01:24:56,156
We have unanimous letters of

1761
01:24:56,156 --> 01:24:56,891
support from the Hawaii Town

1762
01:24:56,891 --> 01:24:57,525
Council Officers Association to

1763
01:24:57,525 --> 01:24:59,925
reconvene the Torrey Pines

1764
01:25:00,861 --> 01:25:01,528
Advisory Board as needed for

1765
01:25:01,528 --> 01:25:02,196
public safety and oversight.

1766
01:25:02,196 --> 01:25:05,196
City Council has a beautiful

1767
01:25:07,768 --> 01:25:08,402
proven solution known as

1768
01:25:08,402 --> 01:25:08,969
the San Diego recreational

1769
01:25:08,969 --> 01:25:09,370
waiver that would end

1770
01:25:09,370 --> 01:25:11,370
the dispute.

1771
01:25:12,673 --> 01:25:13,307
The San Diego Recreational

1772
01:25:13,307 --> 01:25:13,907
waiver stops city internal

1773
01:25:13,907 --> 01:25:14,608
corruption by separating

1774
01:25:14,608 --> 01:25:17,608
the business from free public

1775
01:25:19,747 --> 01:25:20,481
access to San Diego

1776
01:25:20,481 --> 01:25:22,881
Recreational labor isolate city

1777
01:25:25,453 --> 01:25:26,153
concerns that you won't address

1778
01:25:26,153 --> 01:25:26,853
,secures city liabilities,

1779
01:25:26,853 --> 01:25:27,521
restores recreational freedoms

1780
01:25:27,521 --> 01:25:30,521
and addresses the victim and

1781
01:25:31,392 --> 01:25:32,160
witnesses.

1782
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:32,626
Well the damage resulted in a

1783
01:25:32,626 --> 01:25:33,427
timely fashion.

1784
01:25:33,427 --> 01:25:37,270
It's a win for city liabilities

1785
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:38,766
restores our recreational

1786
01:25:38,766 --> 01:25:39,660
rights and freedom for years to

1787
01:25:39,660 --> 01:25:39,734
come.

1788
01:25:39,734 --> 01:25:42,734
It's the best decision City

1789
01:25:43,704 --> 01:25:44,639
council could make to combat.

1790
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:48,839
Do you want me to walk away

1791
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:49,410
while you blatantly rob America

1792
01:25:49,410 --> 01:25:50,440
?

1793
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:50,645
City Council is liable and

1794
01:25:50,645 --> 01:25:51,378
needs to address victims

1795
01:25:51,378 --> 01:25:54,378
witnesses who have been damaged

1796
01:25:56,350 --> 01:25:57,500
Your time has concluded 8700

1797
01:25:57,500 --> 01:25:57,351
And then our final speaker is

1798
01:25:57,351 --> 01:25:59,351
8813.

1799
01:26:01,289 --> 01:26:01,956
As noted, the five minute timer

1800
01:26:01,956 --> 01:26:02,423
had concluded These are our

1801
01:26:02,423 --> 01:26:04,423
final speakers.

1802
01:26:07,461 --> 01:26:08,129
Thank you Joyce And I wasn't

1803
01:26:08,129 --> 01:26:11,129
planning on speaking on this

1804
01:26:11,999 --> 01:26:12,600
but something came up that

1805
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,600
encouraged me to do it.

1806
01:26:18,706 --> 01:26:19,407
I'll listen to see what your

1807
01:26:19,407 --> 01:26:20,108
vote is going to be because

1808
01:26:20,108 --> 01:26:22,508
you're certainly qualified to

1809
01:26:25,178 --> 01:26:25,947
know about who to vote.

1810
01:26:25,947 --> 01:26:26,681
You know this is the quality of

1811
01:26:26,681 --> 01:26:30,281
what we want for our attorneys.

1812
01:26:31,152 --> 01:26:31,853
But I do want to say this that

1813
01:26:31,853 --> 01:26:35,453
I think it was about three

1814
01:26:36,456 --> 01:26:37,158
years ago or so when I had a

1815
01:26:37,158 --> 01:26:40,158
real big opening on attorneys

1816
01:26:41,696 --> 01:26:42,464
and law and I realized it was

1817
01:26:42,464 --> 01:26:43,231
really a difficult thing for me

1818
01:26:43,231 --> 01:26:46,231
to accept that our legal

1819
01:26:47,802 --> 01:26:48,403
obligations create absolutely

1820
01:26:48,403 --> 01:26:51,403
every step we take along

1821
01:26:54,576 --> 01:26:55,276
the way in government And I

1822
01:26:55,276 --> 01:26:56,440
don't think I'm wrong on that.

1823
01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:59,440
I don't think I'm exaggerating

1824
01:27:00,648 --> 01:27:00,949
and I was just blown away by

1825
01:27:00,949 --> 01:27:01,649
that.

1826
01:27:01,649 --> 01:27:05,249
I needed their help And they

1827
01:27:07,322 --> 01:27:08,560
were not just there healthy

1828
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:08,790
were vital attorneys in law but

1829
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:12,193
at the same time the fact that

1830
01:27:12,193 --> 01:27:13,610
it just permeates everything

1831
01:27:13,610 --> 01:27:17,261
was just shocking to me And I

1832
01:27:18,332 --> 01:27:21,332
really felt sad about it.

1833
01:27:23,605 --> 01:27:24,306
But I'm on board now and so but

1834
01:27:24,306 --> 01:27:25,173
we just must have that that

1835
01:27:25,173 --> 01:27:28,773
strength, that part of our our

1836
01:27:30,445 --> 01:27:31,790
workings Now we can look at

1837
01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:31,746
the federal level and see

1838
01:27:31,746 --> 01:27:35,317
the rule of law which is you

1839
01:27:35,317 --> 01:27:35,951
know, the gym, the heart of our

1840
01:27:35,951 --> 01:27:36,618
country and how it's being

1841
01:27:36,618 --> 01:27:39,618
diminished lately And yet it

1842
01:27:41,223 --> 01:27:41,923
was so exciting when

1843
01:27:41,923 --> 01:27:42,657
the Supreme Court and I guess

1844
01:27:42,657 --> 01:27:43,257
it's not there yet came forward

1845
01:27:43,257 --> 01:27:45,657
with that decision on

1846
01:27:47,695 --> 01:27:48,430
the tariff And that does affect

1847
01:27:48,430 --> 01:27:52,300
our community big time and that

1848
01:27:54,203 --> 01:27:54,703
was a positive thing But it's

1849
01:27:54,703 --> 01:27:55,504
very complicated.

1850
01:27:55,504 --> 01:27:59,104
But the threatening of the Fed,

1851
01:27:59,174 --> 01:27:59,874
the law of the rule of the law

1852
01:27:59,874 --> 01:28:00,575
in our country, the fact that

1853
01:28:00,575 --> 01:28:03,575
that's coming forward big time

1854
01:28:05,914 --> 01:28:06,448
now it just it's hard to not be

1855
01:28:06,448 --> 01:28:07,182
disheartened by it.

1856
01:28:07,182 --> 01:28:11,382
So I'm for this item and I

1857
01:28:13,188 --> 01:28:13,956
thank you for listening.

1858
01:28:13,956 --> 01:28:14,289
You've been up to getting

1859
01:28:14,289 --> 01:28:15,123
comment.

1860
01:28:15,123 --> 01:28:18,560
Thank you 813 if you can please

1861
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,160
and you okay control here so

1862
01:28:22,897 --> 01:28:23,666
yeah so we'll start off by

1863
01:28:23,666 --> 01:28:27,266
saying you know when the city

1864
01:28:29,471 --> 01:28:30,105
council council is transparent

1865
01:28:30,105 --> 01:28:33,105
and lawful you don't need

1866
01:28:35,210 --> 01:28:35,577
lawyers or you know, for legal

1867
01:28:35,577 --> 01:28:36,780
fielding.

1868
01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:36,745
You know you need

1869
01:28:36,745 --> 01:28:38,745
accountability quite frankly

1870
01:28:40,849 --> 01:28:41,550
And if the city was behaving

1871
01:28:41,550 --> 01:28:42,184
without fraud and corruption,

1872
01:28:42,184 --> 01:28:44,584
its attorneys wouldn't be

1873
01:28:47,223 --> 01:28:47,655
working overtime to be

1874
01:28:47,655 --> 01:28:48,490
protecting it.

1875
01:28:48,490 --> 01:28:52,690
And and it is worth asking why

1876
01:28:52,828 --> 01:28:53,362
the city or city council rely

1877
01:28:53,362 --> 01:28:54,630
so heavily on legal

1878
01:28:54,630 --> 01:28:56,630
representation when addressing

1879
01:28:58,499 --> 01:28:59,268
the public's concerns against

1880
01:28:59,268 --> 01:29:02,268
the city for operating free

1881
01:29:04,106 --> 01:29:07,106
from fraud and corruption then

1882
01:29:10,313 --> 01:29:10,713
there wouldn't be any need for

1883
01:29:10,713 --> 01:29:11,747
any of this.

1884
01:29:11,747 --> 01:29:15,918
But here we are and more waste

1885
01:29:15,918 --> 01:29:16,618
and I to agree with

1886
01:29:16,618 --> 01:29:19,618
the previous speakers who are

1887
01:29:22,158 --> 01:29:22,625
concerned.

1888
01:29:22,625 --> 01:29:23,250
Thank you.

1889
01:29:23,250 --> 01:29:25,250
Thank you.

1890
01:29:29,131 --> 01:29:29,565
That concludes all the comment

1891
01:29:29,565 --> 01:29:29,932
on this item.

1892
01:29:29,932 --> 01:29:30,532
All right.

1893
01:29:30,532 --> 01:29:31,200
We'll turn it over to

1894
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:31,567
councilmember questions and

1895
01:29:31,567 --> 01:29:32,501
comments.

1896
01:29:32,501 --> 01:29:33,134
I'll go ahead and move

1897
01:29:33,134 --> 01:29:35,134
the staff recommendation.

1898
01:29:39,774 --> 01:29:40,743
Can I get a second?

1899
01:29:40,743 --> 01:29:44,943
And we have a second by council

1900
01:29:46,140 --> 01:29:46,883
PRESIDENT Pro tem We as anybody

1901
01:29:46,883 --> 01:29:47,583
night again we have a motion by

1902
01:29:47,583 --> 01:29:48,284
myself and a second by council

1903
01:29:48,284 --> 01:29:51,870
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee to move

1904
01:29:51,870 --> 01:29:51,721
the staff recommendation Clerk

1905
01:29:51,721 --> 01:29:52,421
Please call the roll Start

1906
01:29:52,421 --> 01:29:55,421
the voting system Please cast

1907
01:30:09,105 --> 01:30:11,505
your vote that passes

1908
01:30:12,411 --> 01:30:12,576
unanimously 5 to 0 with

1909
01:30:12,576 --> 01:30:14,576
Councilmember Moreno.

1910
01:30:16,110 --> 01:30:16,646
Councilmember Kemp, you

1911
01:30:16,646 --> 01:30:17,347
Councilmember but Opening

1912
01:30:17,347 --> 01:30:18,470
Councilmember Whitburn absent.

1913
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:18,414
Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.

1914
01:30:18,414 --> 01:30:20,414
All right.

1915
01:30:21,283 --> 01:30:21,918
Thanks, Jennifer And thank you

1916
01:30:21,918 --> 01:30:22,285
to the team that put this

1917
01:30:22,285 --> 01:30:22,985
together.

1918
01:30:22,985 --> 01:30:25,385
>> With that please introduce

1919
01:30:27,423 --> 01:30:28,157
item 500 items 500 is

1920
01:30:28,157 --> 01:30:28,858
settlement of City of San Diego

1921
01:30:28,858 --> 01:30:31,858
versus San Diego County local

1922
01:30:33,129 --> 01:30:35,529
agency formation Commission at

1923
01:30:38,868 --> 01:30:39,569
all San Diego Superior Court

1924
01:30:39,569 --> 01:30:41,969
number 25603103c claim number

1925
01:30:44,173 --> 01:30:44,908
and a if you'd like to speak on

1926
01:30:44,908 --> 01:30:45,608
the side of six minutes because

1927
01:30:45,608 --> 01:30:46,275
up to the front of the room or

1928
01:30:46,275 --> 01:30:46,975
star nine of the raise your

1929
01:30:46,975 --> 01:30:49,512
hand I can't thank you council

1930
01:30:49,512 --> 01:30:50,790
PRESIDENT All right Thank you.

1931
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:50,713
All right Thank you.

1932
01:30:50,713 --> 01:30:51,414
Staffers showing up Do my

1933
01:30:51,414 --> 01:30:51,748
colleagues need a presentation

1934
01:30:51,748 --> 01:30:53,748
on this?

1935
01:30:56,686 --> 01:30:57,387
Not seeing any one requesting

1936
01:30:57,387 --> 01:30:57,720
clerk Please proceed to public

1937
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:58,420
comment.

1938
01:30:58,420 --> 01:31:01,420
There's no public comment here

1939
01:31:02,792 --> 01:31:03,493
in council chambers or sorry at

1940
01:31:03,493 --> 01:31:04,227
the five minute time are going

1941
01:31:04,227 --> 01:31:05,729
to those participating remotely

1942
01:31:05,729 --> 01:31:06,462
the original if you can please

1943
01:31:06,462 --> 01:31:07,630
unmute you'll have two minutes.

1944
01:31:07,630 --> 01:31:09,463
Yeah this is interesting

1945
01:31:12,101 --> 01:31:12,802
because you guys this has to do

1946
01:31:12,802 --> 01:31:15,802
with anti slapp motions which

1947
01:31:17,307 --> 01:31:17,907
are used to prevent lawsuits

1948
01:31:17,907 --> 01:31:18,475
designed to punish or

1949
01:31:18,475 --> 01:31:20,475
intimidate people like

1950
01:31:22,845 --> 01:31:23,546
defendants from exercising

1951
01:31:23,546 --> 01:31:24,214
First Amendment right to being

1952
01:31:24,214 --> 01:31:24,814
able to you know, talk about

1953
01:31:24,814 --> 01:31:27,814
these things and in that

1954
01:31:28,919 --> 01:31:29,619
they'll get their attorney's

1955
01:31:29,619 --> 01:31:29,953
fees and whatnot when it's

1956
01:31:29,953 --> 01:31:30,620
granted.

1957
01:31:30,620 --> 01:31:33,620
So it's it's interesting to

1958
01:31:34,925 --> 01:31:35,492
continue to see because you

1959
01:31:35,492 --> 01:31:36,226
guys feel like you're

1960
01:31:36,226 --> 01:31:39,226
transparent enough so that like

1961
01:31:41,331 --> 01:31:42,650
we know what you engage in but

1962
01:31:42,650 --> 01:31:42,666
then it doesn't go beyond that.

1963
01:31:42,666 --> 01:31:43,299
You don't go in and fix

1964
01:31:43,299 --> 01:31:46,899
the issues as to why these

1965
01:31:46,937 --> 01:31:47,838
types of things are happening

1966
01:31:47,838 --> 01:31:52,380
and now we have to pay know 116

1967
01:31:53,109 --> 01:31:53,810
or whatever thousand dollars

1968
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:54,444
out of the public liability

1969
01:31:54,444 --> 01:31:57,444
fund And again the public

1970
01:31:58,648 --> 01:31:59,349
liability fund is funded by

1971
01:31:59,349 --> 01:31:59,815
the people that you're wasting

1972
01:31:59,815 --> 01:32:01,815
your money with.

1973
01:32:04,620 --> 01:32:05,389
And this is in other ways

1974
01:32:05,389 --> 01:32:06,289
because it just shows how much

1975
01:32:06,289 --> 01:32:09,889
you guys try to silence people

1976
01:32:10,994 --> 01:32:11,695
and try to you know, I need to

1977
01:32:11,695 --> 01:32:15,295
do it here in these meetings.

1978
01:32:16,733 --> 01:32:17,401
You guys do it wherever when

1979
01:32:17,401 --> 01:32:18,134
you don't like what someone

1980
01:32:18,134 --> 01:32:18,735
saying if there was any kind of

1981
01:32:18,735 --> 01:32:21,135
dissent But there's only

1982
01:32:22,606 --> 01:32:23,373
dissent because of the fraud,

1983
01:32:23,373 --> 01:32:24,740
waste and abuse that you guys

1984
01:32:24,740 --> 01:32:24,808
engage in like if you weren't

1985
01:32:24,808 --> 01:32:28,408
engaged in those type of things

1986
01:32:28,579 --> 01:32:29,279
and you were actually using

1987
01:32:29,279 --> 01:32:29,913
your money wisely and spending

1988
01:32:29,913 --> 01:32:30,647
it on stuff that the world

1989
01:32:30,647 --> 01:32:34,247
around us would be changing not

1990
01:32:34,751 --> 01:32:35,519
getting worse.

1991
01:32:35,519 --> 01:32:36,253
I mean it's just it's sad

1992
01:32:36,253 --> 01:32:36,819
because people do thank you but

1993
01:32:36,819 --> 01:32:37,187
they don't really pay

1994
01:32:37,187 --> 01:32:39,187
attention.

1995
01:32:40,557 --> 01:32:41,225
They don't listen and really

1996
01:32:41,225 --> 01:32:41,959
look into what you guys are

1997
01:32:41,959 --> 01:32:45,559
doing and seeing how much money

1998
01:32:46,830 --> 01:32:47,464
that they are throwing at you

1999
01:32:47,464 --> 01:32:48,165
guys that you're basically

2000
01:32:48,165 --> 01:32:51,765
using It's toilet paper And so

2001
01:32:54,671 --> 01:32:55,539
it's just you know the hope is

2002
01:32:55,539 --> 01:32:56,206
that one day you guys want to

2003
01:32:56,206 --> 01:32:58,409
change your course, correct.

2004
01:32:58,409 --> 01:32:59,760
And actually do things for

2005
01:32:59,760 --> 01:32:59,776
the betterment of people but

2006
01:32:59,776 --> 01:33:00,477
not just your pockets and your

2007
01:33:00,477 --> 01:33:02,877
friends pockets because people

2008
01:33:04,148 --> 01:33:05,150
are suffering.

2009
01:33:05,150 --> 01:33:05,783
I mean they really are And you

2010
01:33:05,783 --> 01:33:09,383
guys don't give a and it's

2011
01:33:10,521 --> 01:33:11,550
just it's a reflection of

2012
01:33:11,550 --> 01:33:11,589
the world around us.

2013
01:33:11,589 --> 01:33:13,589
Time has concluded.

2014
01:33:19,296 --> 01:33:19,996
Next is 813 and Andrea Avenue

2015
01:33:19,996 --> 01:33:21,996
then 8700 please email 8813.

2016
01:33:26,370 --> 01:33:27,204
There you go.

2017
01:33:27,204 --> 01:33:27,804
But I think you know I just

2018
01:33:27,804 --> 01:33:28,539
wanted to make a comment

2019
01:33:28,539 --> 01:33:31,539
regarding the protocol and then

2020
01:33:32,810 --> 01:33:33,477
you guys not wanting to have a

2021
01:33:33,477 --> 01:33:34,450
presentation or if you have

2022
01:33:34,450 --> 01:33:36,450
public engagement and

2023
01:33:38,782 --> 01:33:39,550
the public understand what it

2024
01:33:39,550 --> 01:33:40,184
is that you guys will be voting

2025
01:33:40,184 --> 01:33:40,885
on, that's that's an issue

2026
01:33:40,885 --> 01:33:44,485
That's a problem as it is

2027
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:45,723
people are turned off by these

2028
01:33:45,723 --> 01:33:46,424
meetings because they don't

2029
01:33:46,424 --> 01:33:50,270
know what the is going on And

2030
01:33:50,270 --> 01:33:50,728
instantly you you're you know

2031
01:33:50,728 --> 01:33:53,128
you're talking about politics

2032
01:33:56,534 --> 01:33:57,335
and the subject just gets shut

2033
01:33:57,335 --> 01:34:00,935
down But it's because of how

2034
01:34:02,506 --> 01:34:02,865
you guys how you guys do things

2035
01:34:02,865 --> 01:34:03,507
here.

2036
01:34:03,507 --> 01:34:04,208
It's like gosh you should have

2037
01:34:04,208 --> 01:34:07,208
a presentation for people who

2038
01:34:08,779 --> 01:34:09,546
don't know what's happening at

2039
01:34:09,546 --> 01:34:13,146
least because you know you guys

2040
01:34:14,185 --> 01:34:15,530
only yesterday when have people

2041
01:34:15,530 --> 01:34:18,530
absent that like it's pretty

2042
01:34:20,424 --> 01:34:21,125
disappointing but so the way

2043
01:34:21,125 --> 01:34:24,725
they are because of how you

2044
01:34:25,462 --> 01:34:26,431
guys how you guys work or don't

2045
01:34:26,431 --> 01:34:30,631
work okay I got to say thank

2046
01:34:31,902 --> 01:34:32,771
you Thank you.

2047
01:34:32,771 --> 01:34:36,908
Next is Andrea I think if you

2048
01:34:36,908 --> 01:34:37,909
can please I'm you are being

2049
01:34:37,909 --> 01:34:38,509
I'm so glad to see that we have

2050
01:34:38,509 --> 01:34:39,100
First Amendment rights.

2051
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:39,577
i would know that.

2052
01:34:39,577 --> 01:34:42,577
You know what I mean?

2053
01:34:42,646 --> 01:34:43,347
Like I have no idea We have

2054
01:34:43,347 --> 01:34:44,150
First Amendment rights in San

2055
01:34:44,150 --> 01:34:44,716
Diego because I use my First

2056
01:34:44,716 --> 01:34:47,116
Amendment rights to report

2057
01:34:49,253 --> 01:34:49,954
really violent crimes and

2058
01:34:49,954 --> 01:34:50,688
the abduction of my children,

2059
01:34:50,688 --> 01:34:54,288
the drugging of my children And

2060
01:34:55,259 --> 01:34:55,960
instead of anybody helping me

2061
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,960
they removed charges and they

2062
01:35:00,865 --> 01:35:01,566
omitted my children from

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01:35:01,566 --> 01:35:02,233
reports and they prosecuted me

2064
01:35:02,233 --> 01:35:05,233
for almost six years for

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01:35:07,705 --> 01:35:08,160
reporting the crimes that took

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01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:08,739
place.

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01:35:08,739 --> 01:35:09,340
So I didn't even know we were

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01:35:09,340 --> 01:35:10,740
allowed to speak freely.

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01:35:10,740 --> 01:35:13,674
I didn't know we were allowed

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01:35:13,777 --> 01:35:14,512
to report crimes or opioid

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01:35:14,512 --> 01:35:16,912
distribution or insurance fraud

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01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:19,717
or the malfeasance taking place

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01:35:19,717 --> 01:35:20,318
from our local government

2074
01:35:20,318 --> 01:35:22,718
leaders who are actually

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01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:26,570
working in a rico enterprise

2076
01:35:26,570 --> 01:35:26,691
but doesn't want anyone to know

2077
01:35:26,691 --> 01:35:26,991
that that's what's taking

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01:35:26,991 --> 01:35:27,592
place.

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01:35:27,592 --> 01:35:29,592
>> But unfortunately for

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01:35:31,596 --> 01:35:32,262
everybody the local feds who

2081
01:35:32,262 --> 01:35:32,964
aren't doing their jobs are

2082
01:35:32,964 --> 01:35:36,564
being watched by the real feds

2083
01:35:37,135 --> 01:35:37,836
who are watching them not do

2084
01:35:37,836 --> 01:35:38,536
their jobs at this point

2085
01:35:38,536 --> 01:35:39,271
because it has gotten so far.

2086
01:35:39,271 --> 01:35:42,871
So we can carry on pretending

2087
01:35:43,708 --> 01:35:44,409
that people have First

2088
01:35:44,409 --> 01:35:45,142
Amendment rights in San Diego

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01:35:45,142 --> 01:35:45,810
They don't Come on, you say one

2090
01:35:45,810 --> 01:35:48,810
wrong word, you're cut off.

2091
01:35:49,314 --> 01:35:50,282
You're shut down.

2092
01:35:50,282 --> 01:35:50,916
You can't get on your you know

2093
01:35:50,916 --> 01:35:54,516
it's but the good thing is

2094
01:35:55,121 --> 01:35:55,854
the good news is there are so

2095
01:35:55,854 --> 01:35:56,321
many of us now and everybody's

2096
01:35:56,321 --> 01:35:56,888
coming together.

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01:35:56,888 --> 01:35:58,888
>> All these community

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01:36:00,492 --> 01:36:01,258
coalitions, whatever has been

2099
01:36:01,258 --> 01:36:01,993
happening here in San Diego is

2100
01:36:01,993 --> 01:36:05,593
definitely coming to an end And

2101
01:36:06,865 --> 01:36:07,498
i really hope that the people

2102
01:36:07,498 --> 01:36:07,799
have participated at that

2103
01:36:07,799 --> 01:36:08,500
level.

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01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:09,101
I go to prison because that's

2105
01:36:09,101 --> 01:36:11,501
what they deserve Their

2106
01:36:12,604 --> 01:36:13,204
children deserve everything our

2107
01:36:13,204 --> 01:36:13,872
children have suffered.

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01:36:13,872 --> 01:36:18,720
But I pray to GOD that they

2109
01:36:18,677 --> 01:36:19,311
don't ever experienced it but

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01:36:19,311 --> 01:36:20,450
their parents should their

2111
01:36:20,450 --> 01:36:22,445
parents experience prison time.

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01:36:26,184 --> 01:36:26,852
Thank you.

2113
01:36:26,852 --> 01:36:27,519
Finally a time I concluded

2114
01:36:27,519 --> 01:36:28,120
There are three speakers in

2115
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:28,787
the queue and additional

2116
01:36:28,787 --> 01:36:31,187
speakers will be taken 8700

2117
01:36:33,425 --> 01:36:35,425
please I'm you.

2118
01:36:39,831 --> 01:36:40,532
Thank you Joyce in yellow for

2119
01:36:40,532 --> 01:36:41,500
the three again I was planning

2120
01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:45,700
on speaking on this but here we

2121
01:36:45,737 --> 01:36:46,438
go.

2122
01:36:46,438 --> 01:36:48,838
Excuse me PRESIDENT McCarver.

2123
01:36:52,244 --> 01:36:52,777
I do agree that I would ask you

2124
01:36:52,777 --> 01:36:55,177
to take a drink.

2125
01:36:57,716 --> 01:36:58,500
A coffee helps present a

2126
01:36:58,500 --> 01:36:58,983
couple.

2127
01:36:58,983 --> 01:37:03,783
I do agree that we we do so

2128
01:37:04,356 --> 01:37:05,570
many present ation you know

2129
01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:07,457
even 3 minutes or 5 minutes

2130
01:37:10,620 --> 01:37:10,429
would be so great Consider that

2131
01:37:10,429 --> 01:37:11,230
would you?

2132
01:37:11,230 --> 01:37:11,630
So again I'm not prepared but I

2133
01:37:11,630 --> 01:37:13,630
am prepared.

2134
01:37:16,602 --> 01:37:17,269
I love the First Amendment

2135
01:37:17,269 --> 01:37:17,970
rights and we need to fight

2136
01:37:17,970 --> 01:37:21,570
defense like this and keep it

2137
01:37:22,207 --> 01:37:22,942
and keep it.

2138
01:37:22,942 --> 01:37:23,642
We have First Amendment rights

2139
01:37:23,642 --> 01:37:27,242
right and council right now we

2140
01:37:28,379 --> 01:37:28,647
can say anything you want to

2141
01:37:28,647 --> 01:37:29,181
say.

2142
01:37:29,181 --> 01:37:29,715
It'll be on record.

2143
01:37:29,715 --> 01:37:30,682
You don't get it.

2144
01:37:30,682 --> 01:37:34,253
I'll say it Feel better because

2145
01:37:34,253 --> 01:37:34,854
you said it.

2146
01:37:34,854 --> 01:37:35,688
People will hear it.

2147
01:37:35,688 --> 01:37:39,888
It's on city tv, you know I

2148
01:37:40,526 --> 01:37:41,227
mean this is are we need more

2149
01:37:41,227 --> 01:37:41,927
people coming forward and you

2150
01:37:41,927 --> 01:37:44,927
know First Amendment rights in

2151
01:37:45,865 --> 01:37:46,733
this way.

2152
01:37:46,733 --> 01:37:47,466
So the only concern I have is

2153
01:37:47,466 --> 01:37:51,660
that we should be learned about

2154
01:37:51,837 --> 01:37:52,537
qualified immunity when I was

2155
01:37:52,537 --> 01:37:53,406
researching code section items

2156
01:37:53,406 --> 01:37:57,676
and that was new to me So I

2157
01:37:57,676 --> 01:37:58,377
just I don't know how qualified

2158
01:37:58,377 --> 01:38:00,777
immunity is handled nationally

2159
01:38:03,349 --> 01:38:04,216
or locally but I would say that

2160
01:38:04,216 --> 01:38:07,816
I hope that there's a more

2161
01:38:10,356 --> 01:38:11,560
balanced in there that we don't

2162
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:11,524
because the proponents people

2163
01:38:11,524 --> 01:38:13,524
really love it.

2164
01:38:16,228 --> 01:38:16,928
It keeps you all since you know

2165
01:38:16,928 --> 01:38:17,430
the overabundance of lawsuits

2166
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:19,430
coming forward and

2167
01:38:21,300 --> 01:38:22,100
the proponents like

2168
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:22,770
the opponents if I can say this

2169
01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:26,370
right, I think that it you

2170
01:38:26,938 --> 01:38:27,573
know, it allows officials

2171
01:38:27,573 --> 01:38:30,573
perhaps a little too much

2172
01:38:33,845 --> 01:38:34,413
leeway to not have to come

2173
01:38:34,413 --> 01:38:35,114
forward in litigation.

2174
01:38:35,114 --> 01:38:35,848
So I don't know the full truth

2175
01:38:35,848 --> 01:38:39,686
of all the facts in that, but I

2176
01:38:39,686 --> 01:38:40,386
do know that I want First

2177
01:38:40,386 --> 01:38:41,870
Amendment rights and thank you

2178
01:38:41,870 --> 01:38:44,687
for that Comments or your time

2179
01:38:45,591 --> 01:38:46,359
has concluded 7499 And then

2180
01:38:46,359 --> 01:38:48,759
Ernie Casco 749 Please on

2181
01:38:56,403 --> 01:38:57,300
behalf it's good here again I

2182
01:38:57,300 --> 01:38:57,737
don't have any prepared

2183
01:38:57,737 --> 01:38:58,338
comments on the second but I do

2184
01:38:58,338 --> 01:38:59,380
want to add my voice to

2185
01:38:59,380 --> 01:39:02,380
the concerns expressed by many

2186
01:39:02,275 --> 01:39:03,143
of the previous speakers.

2187
01:39:03,143 --> 01:39:03,842
I also want to thank each of

2188
01:39:03,842 --> 01:39:04,543
those speakers for researching

2189
01:39:04,543 --> 01:39:07,543
these items and voicing their

2190
01:39:08,314 --> 01:39:09,480
concerns for the rest of us.

2191
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:09,782
Thank you to all speakers who

2192
01:39:09,782 --> 01:39:10,116
take their time to address this

2193
01:39:10,116 --> 01:39:12,116
Council.

2194
01:39:14,787 --> 01:39:15,421
However, I do want to correct

2195
01:39:15,421 --> 01:39:16,122
Joyce and others comments

2196
01:39:16,122 --> 01:39:16,589
regarding our freedom to speak

2197
01:39:16,589 --> 01:39:18,589
at this Council.

2198
01:39:21,194 --> 01:39:21,860
As many of you know I was sued

2199
01:39:21,860 --> 01:39:22,529
by the city's contractor for

2200
01:39:22,529 --> 01:39:23,263
California Adventure for my

2201
01:39:23,263 --> 01:39:25,663
speeches exposing their actions

2202
01:39:26,566 --> 01:39:26,866
at the Torrey Pines Glider

2203
01:39:26,866 --> 01:39:27,467
port.

2204
01:39:27,467 --> 01:39:29,467
The court erroneously

2205
01:39:31,971 --> 01:39:32,672
determined that that business

2206
01:39:32,672 --> 01:39:33,406
somehow is a private citizen,

2207
01:39:33,406 --> 01:39:36,406
that those are private citizens

2208
01:39:38,377 --> 01:39:38,978
and I cannot show what they're

2209
01:39:38,978 --> 01:39:41,978
doing in our glider port

2210
01:39:43,950 --> 01:39:44,718
without defaming them.

2211
01:39:44,718 --> 01:39:45,418
And I was not protected by

2212
01:39:45,418 --> 01:39:45,752
the fact that they were public

2213
01:39:45,752 --> 01:39:46,418
figures.

2214
01:39:46,418 --> 01:39:49,418
In fact they were determined

2215
01:39:50,323 --> 01:39:51,240
somehow not be public figures

2216
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:51,658
Even though they're operating

2217
01:39:51,658 --> 01:39:55,258
our own city park the city

2218
01:39:56,562 --> 01:39:57,263
should have stepped in to help

2219
01:39:57,263 --> 01:39:57,597
and correct that but the city

2220
01:39:57,597 --> 01:39:58,264
did not.

2221
01:39:58,264 --> 01:40:02,135
So we do not have the free

2222
01:40:02,135 --> 01:40:02,836
speech that Joyce and yada has

2223
01:40:02,836 --> 01:40:03,503
expressed and I hope the city

2224
01:40:03,503 --> 01:40:04,370
will take action to correct

2225
01:40:04,370 --> 01:40:06,437
that in the future.

2226
01:40:08,875 --> 01:40:09,743
Thank you.

2227
01:40:09,743 --> 01:40:10,543
>> Next and our final speaker

2228
01:40:10,543 --> 01:40:14,143
is Ernie Casco, if you can

2229
01:40:14,581 --> 01:40:15,282
please on Yes.

2230
01:40:15,282 --> 01:40:17,682
Speaking on item 500 and

2231
01:40:20,353 --> 01:40:20,987
the crimes are reported to your

2232
01:40:20,987 --> 01:40:21,688
office, Joe LaCava and San

2233
01:40:21,688 --> 01:40:24,688
Diego Police Department I just

2234
01:40:26,593 --> 01:40:27,327
heard some serious violations.

2235
01:40:27,327 --> 01:40:30,327
Your leaseholder tried to end

2236
01:40:31,931 --> 01:40:32,698
my life.

2237
01:40:32,698 --> 01:40:33,400
He killed a pilot, assaulted me

2238
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:36,400
the following day breaking my

2239
01:40:38,605 --> 01:40:41,605
back was sued for $50,000, came

2240
01:40:43,777 --> 01:40:44,478
back and switched my wing when

2241
01:40:44,478 --> 01:40:45,245
I landed Crash landed on a

2242
01:40:45,245 --> 01:40:48,245
building After that he poisoned

2243
01:40:49,683 --> 01:40:50,383
me.

2244
01:40:50,383 --> 01:40:51,118
Where is my police report?

2245
01:40:51,118 --> 01:40:54,118
Joe LaCava Why haven't you

2246
01:40:55,455 --> 01:40:56,123
taken action when there is a

2247
01:40:56,123 --> 01:40:59,123
legal solution on your desk?

2248
01:41:01,428 --> 01:41:02,195
I want to know I've asked many

2249
01:41:02,195 --> 01:41:02,529
a time out for you to take

2250
01:41:02,529 --> 01:41:04,529
action.

2251
01:41:07,340 --> 01:41:07,734
We have our back speech

2252
01:41:07,734 --> 01:41:09,734
recreational scandal petition

2253
01:41:15,242 --> 01:41:15,809
to stop the illegal

2254
01:41:15,809 --> 01:41:16,443
commercialization and

2255
01:41:16,443 --> 01:41:18,843
privatization of San Diego

2256
01:41:19,580 --> 01:41:20,280
parks with a town council

2257
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:21,140
source association unanimously

2258
01:41:21,140 --> 01:41:24,140
support to reconvene the Torrey

2259
01:41:25,586 --> 01:41:26,186
Pines Advisory Board and

2260
01:41:26,186 --> 01:41:26,887
implement the San Diego

2261
01:41:26,887 --> 01:41:29,287
recreational waiver that would

2262
01:41:31,624 --> 01:41:32,293
end the dispute.

2263
01:41:32,293 --> 01:41:32,926
It's a win for city

2264
01:41:32,926 --> 01:41:33,527
liabilities, restores our

2265
01:41:33,527 --> 01:41:35,527
recreational rights and

2266
01:41:38,299 --> 01:41:39,660
freedoms for years to come.

2267
01:41:39,660 --> 01:41:39,934
It's the best decision you can

2268
01:41:39,934 --> 01:41:43,971
make If you want me to walk

2269
01:41:43,971 --> 01:41:44,672
away while you blatantly rob

2270
01:41:44,672 --> 01:41:45,372
America, City Council is still

2271
01:41:45,372 --> 01:41:48,372
liable and needs to address

2272
01:41:49,810 --> 01:41:52,810
victims and witnesses who have

2273
01:41:53,848 --> 01:41:54,482
been damaged and dying of stage

2274
01:41:54,482 --> 01:41:55,149
four cancer Because your

2275
01:41:55,149 --> 01:41:56,383
leaseholder poison me with a

2276
01:41:56,383 --> 01:41:59,383
biohazard you need to take

2277
01:42:02,623 --> 01:42:05,623
action to stop the corruption

2278
01:42:08,563 --> 01:42:08,874
within your own administration

2279
01:42:08,874 --> 01:42:09,463
.

2280
01:42:09,463 --> 01:42:11,863
Implement the San Diego

2281
01:42:14,368 --> 01:42:15,169
recreational waiver immediately

2282
01:42:15,169 --> 01:42:18,769
not send me down another rabbit

2283
01:42:20,241 --> 01:42:20,908
hole that ends nowhere.

2284
01:42:20,908 --> 01:42:21,609
Your time has concluded and

2285
01:42:21,609 --> 01:42:22,420
that concludes public comment

2286
01:42:22,420 --> 01:42:22,410
on this item.

2287
01:42:22,410 --> 01:42:24,410
All right.

2288
01:42:26,747 --> 01:42:27,380
Thank you, City Clerk And with

2289
01:42:27,380 --> 01:42:28,150
that we'll take it over to

2290
01:42:28,150 --> 01:42:28,749
council members Questions,

2291
01:42:28,749 --> 01:42:31,749
comments entertain a motion and

2292
01:42:32,787 --> 01:42:33,487
I'll go ahead and move item as

2293
01:42:33,487 --> 01:42:36,487
500 and a second by Council

2294
01:42:38,759 --> 01:42:39,393
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee Not

2295
01:42:39,393 --> 01:42:40,270
anybody else in the lights

2296
01:42:40,270 --> 01:42:40,728
again we have a motion by

2297
01:42:40,728 --> 01:42:41,462
myself and a second by council

2298
01:42:41,462 --> 01:42:45,620
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee to move

2299
01:42:45,433 --> 01:42:46,167
the recommendation on this 500

2300
01:42:46,167 --> 01:42:46,867
word Please call the roll Start

2301
01:42:46,867 --> 01:42:49,867
the voting system Please cast

2302
01:42:57,445 --> 01:42:58,450
your vote that passes

2303
01:42:58,450 --> 01:42:58,545
unanimously 5 to 0 with

2304
01:42:58,545 --> 01:43:00,545
Councilor Moreno.

2305
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:03,751
Councilmember Camp, you had a

2306
01:43:03,751 --> 01:43:04,419
Ron Wilbur and council member

2307
01:43:04,419 --> 01:43:04,919
whip or an absent Thank you

2308
01:43:04,919 --> 01:43:05,286
Council PRESIDENT.

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01:43:05,286 --> 01:43:07,286
All right.

2310
01:43:08,356 --> 01:43:09,570
Thank you With that we will now

2311
01:43:09,570 --> 01:43:09,790
take up non agenda public

2312
01:43:09,790 --> 01:43:10,424
comment Council members respect

2313
01:43:10,424 --> 01:43:11,159
and appreciate the public

2314
01:43:11,159 --> 01:43:13,961
support and are fully committed

2315
01:43:13,961 --> 01:43:14,596
to protecting every

2316
01:43:14,596 --> 01:43:15,330
participant's free speech

2317
01:43:15,330 --> 01:43:15,696
rights at council and committee

2318
01:43:15,696 --> 01:43:16,330
meetings.

2319
01:43:16,330 --> 01:43:18,730
Clerk Please proceed with

2320
01:43:21,803 --> 01:43:22,203
public comment.

2321
01:43:22,203 --> 01:43:22,870
Thank you.

2322
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:23,605
Council PRESIDENT Pearl 2.7

2323
01:43:23,605 --> 01:43:24,304
knowledge that a public comment

2324
01:43:24,304 --> 01:43:24,973
is an opportunity for members

2325
01:43:24,973 --> 01:43:26,400
of the public to comment on

2326
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:26,608
items that are not on

2327
01:43:26,608 --> 01:43:27,341
the agenda but within

2328
01:43:27,341 --> 01:43:27,875
the subject matter jurisdiction

2329
01:43:27,875 --> 01:43:30,275
of the City Council.

2330
01:43:32,181 --> 01:43:32,514
Each speaker will have two

2331
01:43:32,514 --> 01:43:33,214
minutes.

2332
01:43:33,214 --> 01:43:33,882
Please note if there are eight

2333
01:43:33,882 --> 01:43:34,516
or more speakers on a single

2334
01:43:34,516 --> 01:43:36,951
topic the maximum time for

2335
01:43:36,951 --> 01:43:37,619
the topic will be 60 Minutes If

2336
01:43:37,619 --> 01:43:38,286
you're in chambers like some

2337
01:43:38,286 --> 01:43:41,886
other speakers up If you are

2338
01:43:42,190 --> 01:43:42,757
virtual please press star nine

2339
01:43:42,757 --> 01:43:43,358
on the raise your hand

2340
01:43:43,358 --> 01:43:43,992
participant There are no

2341
01:43:43,992 --> 01:43:44,693
speakers here in chambers

2342
01:43:44,693 --> 01:43:47,693
starting the five minute timer

2343
01:43:47,961 --> 01:43:48,329
going to those participating

2344
01:43:48,329 --> 01:43:49,300
remotely.

2345
01:43:49,300 --> 01:43:49,664
We currently have six speakers

2346
01:43:49,664 --> 01:43:50,298
and like you starting with

2347
01:43:50,298 --> 01:43:53,298
William Pittman if you can

2348
01:43:57,105 --> 01:43:57,571
please unmute we're beginning

2349
01:43:57,571 --> 01:43:58,600
Academy for you.

2350
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,600
There you go.

2351
01:44:03,545 --> 01:44:04,113
Yeah go.

2352
01:44:04,113 --> 01:44:04,513
I got it.

2353
01:44:04,513 --> 01:44:05,213
Hi everyone.

2354
01:44:05,213 --> 01:44:05,513
Thanks for the morning meeting

2355
01:44:05,513 --> 01:44:07,513
today.

2356
01:44:08,684 --> 01:44:08,983
I come from the Francisco Bay

2357
01:44:08,983 --> 01:44:09,618
Area.

2358
01:44:09,618 --> 01:44:10,318
>> They take the Brown Act

2359
01:44:10,318 --> 01:44:12,718
public meeting process really

2360
01:44:14,222 --> 01:44:15,230
seriously and they play it by

2361
01:44:15,230 --> 01:44:15,724
the book And it's I mean you

2362
01:44:15,724 --> 01:44:16,358
have to practice the protocols

2363
01:44:16,358 --> 01:44:19,358
and decorum of the public

2364
01:44:20,562 --> 01:44:21,363
meeting process to the letter

2365
01:44:21,363 --> 01:44:22,230
And it's really nice to be in

2366
01:44:22,230 --> 01:44:25,830
San Diego that you guys are

2367
01:44:26,601 --> 01:44:26,968
just a bit more loose about it.

2368
01:44:26,968 --> 01:44:27,836
Thank you.

2369
01:44:27,836 --> 01:44:32,360
I will do my best to practice

2370
01:44:33,108 --> 01:44:33,708
public meeting decorum and that

2371
01:44:33,708 --> 01:44:34,409
I feel it's important to

2372
01:44:34,409 --> 01:44:38,900
practice it but thank you that

2373
01:44:38,647 --> 01:44:39,281
that you can listen and that

2374
01:44:39,281 --> 01:44:39,948
First Amendment rights are

2375
01:44:39,948 --> 01:44:40,649
really important here in San

2376
01:44:40,649 --> 01:44:44,249
Diego and that we respect them

2377
01:44:45,253 --> 01:44:45,987
and and we're trying to not

2378
01:44:45,987 --> 01:44:46,555
have said that we're allowed to

2379
01:44:46,555 --> 01:44:47,155
talk about issues that

2380
01:44:47,155 --> 01:44:50,155
the public thank you for

2381
01:44:50,892 --> 01:44:51,593
allowing that and good luck How

2382
01:44:51,593 --> 01:44:52,194
we address that together as a

2383
01:44:52,194 --> 01:44:54,594
community sounds like an

2384
01:44:56,698 --> 01:44:57,399
interesting item Previously to

2385
01:44:57,399 --> 01:45:00,399
allow public comment I wanted

2386
01:45:02,671 --> 01:45:02,985
to comment also from yesterday

2387
01:45:02,985 --> 01:45:03,639
.

2388
01:45:03,639 --> 01:45:06,800
Yeah that I was really

2389
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:08,800
impressed by Councilperson

2390
01:45:12,514 --> 01:45:13,248
Brett with words on what are we

2391
01:45:13,248 --> 01:45:14,182
actually going to be working on

2392
01:45:14,182 --> 01:45:18,420
as a as a city in these tough

2393
01:45:18,420 --> 01:45:19,154
budget times?

2394
01:45:19,154 --> 01:45:19,855
I really believe that what's

2395
01:45:19,855 --> 01:45:22,855
happened with the Trump issues

2396
01:45:24,326 --> 01:45:24,993
it's not necessarily Trump or

2397
01:45:24,993 --> 01:45:25,794
conservative right wing ism

2398
01:45:25,794 --> 01:45:29,994
It's just that we see a better

2399
01:45:30,399 --> 01:45:31,265
way.

2400
01:45:31,265 --> 01:45:31,934
I think a better way is

2401
01:45:31,934 --> 01:45:32,668
presenting it to us what is

2402
01:45:32,668 --> 01:45:35,668
possible and what to work

2403
01:45:35,871 --> 01:45:36,572
towards I mean truly best

2404
01:45:36,572 --> 01:45:37,272
practices and best goals And I

2405
01:45:37,272 --> 01:45:40,872
don't think we should shy away

2406
01:45:41,877 --> 01:45:42,644
from those things.

2407
01:45:42,644 --> 01:45:43,278
I really hope we make

2408
01:45:43,278 --> 01:45:43,979
the efforts to talk about

2409
01:45:43,979 --> 01:45:44,580
the future tech accountability

2410
01:45:44,580 --> 01:45:48,830
and how we can do things

2411
01:45:48,830 --> 01:45:48,784
smarter and better principal

2412
01:45:48,784 --> 01:45:49,685
and that that is no crime to

2413
01:45:49,685 --> 01:45:53,285
work on And that's not a

2414
01:45:53,556 --> 01:45:54,223
partizan issue.

2415
01:45:54,223 --> 01:45:54,957
That should be a consensus

2416
01:45:54,957 --> 01:45:57,957
community sharing issue that we

2417
01:45:59,828 --> 01:46:00,496
need to really talk about this

2418
01:46:00,496 --> 01:46:01,196
year and not feel afraid to

2419
01:46:01,196 --> 01:46:01,497
talk about it in this election

2420
01:46:01,497 --> 01:46:02,164
year.

2421
01:46:02,164 --> 01:46:06,364
So good luck How we can be

2422
01:46:06,802 --> 01:46:07,269
doing that.

2423
01:46:07,269 --> 01:46:07,670
>> Thank you.

2424
01:46:07,670 --> 01:46:08,337
Thank you.

2425
01:46:08,337 --> 01:46:09,380
Next history on Scully than

2426
01:46:09,380 --> 01:46:11,774
the original bacon please and

2427
01:46:11,774 --> 01:46:12,540
nutrients.

2428
01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:15,540
>> Good morning San Diego Scuse

2429
01:46:18,114 --> 01:46:18,747
me San Diego City Council Chair

2430
01:46:18,747 --> 01:46:19,348
LaCava My name is Marianne

2431
01:46:19,348 --> 01:46:20,149
Skelly and I'm here as a

2432
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:23,149
planning group attendee and a

2433
01:46:23,653 --> 01:46:24,320
community volunteer.

2434
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:25,200
Yesterday I described one of

2435
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:28,620
the teen programs at our high

2436
01:46:28,858 --> 01:46:29,725
schools that are important to

2437
01:46:29,725 --> 01:46:30,226
me and the safety to all of us

2438
01:46:30,226 --> 01:46:32,626
here in the city.

2439
01:46:33,996 --> 01:46:34,463
It's called the Start Smart

2440
01:46:34,463 --> 01:46:35,197
Program.

2441
01:46:35,197 --> 01:46:35,898
It's a program to reduce drunk,

2442
01:46:35,898 --> 01:46:38,298
drugged and distracted driving

2443
01:46:39,935 --> 01:46:40,603
by teens.

2444
01:46:40,603 --> 01:46:41,303
The conversation yesterday

2445
01:46:41,303 --> 01:46:43,703
regarding Budget Media Report

2446
01:46:46,208 --> 01:46:46,876
and the proposed 2027 budget

2447
01:46:46,876 --> 01:46:47,576
should be an opportunity to

2448
01:46:47,576 --> 01:46:51,176
reflect on the cost of drunk,

2449
01:46:51,380 --> 01:46:51,948
drugged and distracted driving

2450
01:46:51,948 --> 01:46:52,315
by teens and others in

2451
01:46:52,315 --> 01:46:54,315
the city.

2452
01:46:57,153 --> 01:46:57,753
Marijuana and other drug

2453
01:46:57,753 --> 01:46:58,321
impaired driving imposes

2454
01:46:58,321 --> 01:47:00,321
significant budgetary,

2455
01:47:02,223 --> 01:47:02,892
operational and financial

2456
01:47:02,892 --> 01:47:03,559
strains on first responders

2457
01:47:03,559 --> 01:47:05,959
police, fire, emergency and

2458
01:47:07,863 --> 01:47:08,631
hospital personnel.

2459
01:47:08,631 --> 01:47:09,298
These costs include specialized

2460
01:47:09,298 --> 01:47:11,298
training, extended incident

2461
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:14,670
response times, forensic

2462
01:47:14,670 --> 01:47:16,670
toxicology and prosecution

2463
01:47:19,909 --> 01:47:20,510
often totaling hundreds of

2464
01:47:20,510 --> 01:47:20,877
thousands of dollars per

2465
01:47:20,877 --> 01:47:21,577
incident.

2466
01:47:21,577 --> 01:47:25,177
And of course and of course

2467
01:47:25,715 --> 01:47:26,149
the cost to families and to

2468
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:26,782
neighborhoods.

2469
01:47:26,782 --> 01:47:28,782
Are incapable recognizing

2470
01:47:31,354 --> 01:47:31,988
the enormous budget impact of

2471
01:47:31,988 --> 01:47:32,755
marijuana use and impaired

2472
01:47:32,755 --> 01:47:36,355
driving should prompt us to ask

2473
01:47:37,927 --> 01:47:38,595
what could our city do to

2474
01:47:38,595 --> 01:47:41,595
interpreted the cost to use

2475
01:47:43,233 --> 01:47:44,100
marijuana then drive.

2476
01:47:44,100 --> 01:47:44,801
We should ask what do the huge

2477
01:47:44,801 --> 01:47:45,134
imposing marijuana billboards

2478
01:47:45,134 --> 01:47:47,134
suggest?

2479
01:47:48,503 --> 01:47:49,339
Is the answer?

2480
01:47:49,339 --> 01:47:49,873
Is it time to revisit our

2481
01:47:49,873 --> 01:47:51,873
billboard policies?

2482
01:47:54,743 --> 01:47:55,478
If only from a budget

2483
01:47:55,478 --> 01:47:56,179
perspective the commercializing

2484
01:47:56,179 --> 01:47:59,179
and promotion of marijuana use

2485
01:48:00,517 --> 01:48:00,850
is a cost intensive unnecessary

2486
01:48:00,850 --> 01:48:01,551
expense.

2487
01:48:01,551 --> 01:48:05,151
Thank you for allowing me to

2488
01:48:07,323 --> 01:48:07,791
speak today.

2489
01:48:07,791 --> 01:48:08,525
>> Thank you.

2490
01:48:08,525 --> 01:48:11,525
Next is the original then 8700

2491
01:48:11,795 --> 01:48:12,228
Background Original Police And

2492
01:48:12,228 --> 01:48:13,129
there you go.

2493
01:48:13,129 --> 01:48:16,729
>> So interesting to see all of

2494
01:48:17,300 --> 01:48:17,700
the cover ups that take place

2495
01:48:17,700 --> 01:48:18,467
in the city.

2496
01:48:18,467 --> 01:48:21,467
And it's also interesting to

2497
01:48:23,105 --> 01:48:23,873
know that we live in a world

2498
01:48:23,873 --> 01:48:26,873
where our children are being

2499
01:48:29,713 --> 01:48:30,250
sacrificed actually being

2500
01:48:30,250 --> 01:48:30,580
eaten.

2501
01:48:30,580 --> 01:48:31,248
It's called jerky with

2502
01:48:31,248 --> 01:48:33,783
different names for it, you

2503
01:48:33,783 --> 01:48:34,251
know, and they drain their

2504
01:48:34,251 --> 01:48:35,180
blood and stuff.

2505
01:48:35,180 --> 01:48:35,784
But you got to scare them first

2506
01:48:35,784 --> 01:48:39,384
because you know you've got to

2507
01:48:40,590 --> 01:48:41,191
get adrenal in in that blood so

2508
01:48:41,191 --> 01:48:41,925
then they can drain it.

2509
01:48:41,925 --> 01:48:44,961
So they've got to be tortured,

2510
01:48:44,961 --> 01:48:45,629
you know, and it's interesting

2511
01:48:45,629 --> 01:48:46,396
that, you know, things like

2512
01:48:46,396 --> 01:48:50,596
this can come out and just do

2513
01:48:51,701 --> 01:48:52,369
it doesn't bother, you know,

2514
01:48:52,369 --> 01:48:53,690
who you know, children being

2515
01:48:53,690 --> 01:48:56,690
sexually abused or they have

2516
01:48:56,373 --> 01:48:57,730
their teeth taken out so that

2517
01:48:57,730 --> 01:49:00,730
when they're you know, doing

2518
01:49:02,145 --> 01:49:05,145
sexual favors for people it's

2519
01:49:07,150 --> 01:49:08,180
better you know?

2520
01:49:08,180 --> 01:49:08,685
And we live in a world where

2521
01:49:08,685 --> 01:49:11,685
many of these children come

2522
01:49:12,489 --> 01:49:13,156
from foster care and better

2523
01:49:13,156 --> 01:49:13,823
groups from their families.

2524
01:49:13,823 --> 01:49:16,223
And it's interesting because

2525
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:18,695
you guys you know also

2526
01:49:18,695 --> 01:49:19,396
incentivized a bunch of

2527
01:49:19,396 --> 01:49:21,396
children, unaccompanied minors

2528
01:49:24,340 --> 01:49:24,867
to come across the border.

2529
01:49:24,867 --> 01:49:25,602
You had a few thousand in

2530
01:49:25,602 --> 01:49:26,270
the convention center where you

2531
01:49:26,270 --> 01:49:28,670
were surely vaccinating them

2532
01:49:29,390 --> 01:49:29,542
during pregnancy tests and

2533
01:49:29,542 --> 01:49:30,207
different things.

2534
01:49:30,207 --> 01:49:33,807
And then like a month later

2535
01:49:34,770 --> 01:49:34,711
they just disappeared because

2536
01:49:34,711 --> 01:49:35,120
they got their sponsor.

2537
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:35,913
Right.

2538
01:49:35,913 --> 01:49:39,513
And then, you know, hundreds of

2539
01:49:40,250 --> 01:49:40,817
thousands of those children

2540
01:49:40,817 --> 01:49:43,217
have not been checked.

2541
01:49:44,888 --> 01:49:45,289
But that's not a problem.

2542
01:49:45,289 --> 01:49:46,230
Right.

2543
01:49:46,230 --> 01:49:46,390
Let's worry about what ice is

2544
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:47,570
doing now.

2545
01:49:47,570 --> 01:49:50,570
Let's worry about, you know,

2546
01:49:50,394 --> 01:49:50,894
making sure you guys see people

2547
01:49:50,894 --> 01:49:51,729
and are protected.

2548
01:49:51,729 --> 01:49:55,329
Why don't you guys care about

2549
01:49:56,266 --> 01:49:57,000
those things Or you can close

2550
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:57,701
it And that that's why I think

2551
01:49:57,701 --> 01:50:00,701
everybody should be asking if

2552
01:50:01,472 --> 01:50:02,206
people are pedophiles.

2553
01:50:02,206 --> 01:50:02,873
Because if you don't care about

2554
01:50:02,873 --> 01:50:03,540
the things that are going on

2555
01:50:03,540 --> 01:50:06,540
with children, they must be

2556
01:50:06,777 --> 01:50:07,444
engaged in the abuse of them.

2557
01:50:07,444 --> 01:50:10,444
And even just sitting there

2558
01:50:12,917 --> 01:50:13,584
silent is complicity to men.

2559
01:50:13,584 --> 01:50:17,184
So the battle versus good is

2560
01:50:18,289 --> 01:50:18,989
evil and so on and the struggle

2561
01:50:18,989 --> 01:50:21,926
Your time has concluded After

2562
01:50:21,926 --> 01:50:24,926
8700 and back you rep the 700

2563
01:50:29,266 --> 01:50:29,767
please unmute Star six.

2564
01:50:29,767 --> 01:50:30,768
Thank you Joy.

2565
01:50:30,768 --> 01:50:32,403
So you had a cd3 First of all a

2566
01:50:32,403 --> 01:50:33,170
couple of things before I began

2567
01:50:33,170 --> 01:50:35,570
budget I'll speak on

2568
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:38,309
the Colorado River crisis next

2569
01:50:38,309 --> 01:50:38,943
week.

2570
01:50:38,943 --> 01:50:42,543
I'm going to do the budget

2571
01:50:42,580 --> 01:50:43,347
today and then a council

2572
01:50:43,347 --> 01:50:47,547
PRESIDENT Pro tem I hope I said

2573
01:50:48,252 --> 01:50:49,530
that right yesterday about I'll

2574
01:50:49,530 --> 01:50:49,386
say it again but I know it's

2575
01:50:49,386 --> 01:50:51,386
edited.

2576
01:50:53,591 --> 01:50:53,991
You said something that's close

2577
01:50:53,991 --> 01:50:54,959
to this.

2578
01:50:54,959 --> 01:50:55,660
I think what you do on a daily

2579
01:50:55,660 --> 01:50:58,660
basis to remove the structural

2580
01:50:59,430 --> 01:51:00,197
budget deficit I forgot to say

2581
01:51:00,197 --> 01:51:03,197
yesterday is that from an

2582
01:51:04,670 --> 01:51:05,236
operational standpoint?

2583
01:51:05,236 --> 01:51:09,436
So I just hope I'm saying that

2584
01:51:10,241 --> 01:51:10,808
right about you.

2585
01:51:10,808 --> 01:51:11,308
I love your work.

2586
01:51:11,308 --> 01:51:11,676
You're very good.

2587
01:51:11,676 --> 01:51:13,676
Thank you.

2588
01:51:14,779 --> 01:51:15,847
So the budget okay.

2589
01:51:15,847 --> 01:51:20,470
Last night it was easy for me

2590
01:51:20,751 --> 01:51:25,556
to say what I want for the f y

2591
01:51:25,556 --> 01:51:26,257
27 budget yet I did find it a

2592
01:51:26,257 --> 01:51:29,257
bit uncomfortable to speak at

2593
01:51:30,328 --> 01:51:31,162
my cuts.

2594
01:51:31,162 --> 01:51:35,362
I need to do much better on

2595
01:51:35,700 --> 01:51:36,670
cuts at the upcoming budget

2596
01:51:36,670 --> 01:51:38,670
hearings.

2597
01:51:39,604 --> 01:51:43,204
No Council member zero s Blair

2598
01:51:44,509 --> 01:51:45,276
related to I loved what he said

2599
01:51:45,276 --> 01:51:48,276
and I think is absolutely

2600
01:51:49,546 --> 01:51:52,546
verbatim What city are we

2601
01:51:55,286 --> 01:51:56,154
trying to be?

2602
01:51:56,154 --> 01:51:59,754
>> Excuse me what city are to

2603
01:52:00,124 --> 01:52:00,425
be those that have the most

2604
01:52:00,425 --> 01:52:01,192
share?

2605
01:52:01,192 --> 01:52:04,395
What city are we trying to be?

2606
01:52:04,395 --> 01:52:05,163
I know you said that and I

2607
01:52:05,163 --> 01:52:05,863
added this those that have

2608
01:52:05,863 --> 01:52:09,634
the most share So then I think

2609
01:52:09,634 --> 01:52:10,201
I'm right on that that question

2610
01:52:10,201 --> 01:52:10,902
and that's terrific.

2611
01:52:10,902 --> 01:52:14,773
Let's put that on the top of

2612
01:52:14,773 --> 01:52:15,440
all of our budget to

2613
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:16,740
deliberations to expand on a

2614
01:52:16,740 --> 01:52:16,808
little bit you're going to

2615
01:52:16,808 --> 01:52:20,408
probably have to cut me off

2616
01:52:20,979 --> 01:52:24,579
pretty quick point on the I'm

2617
01:52:26,251 --> 01:52:29,587
going to expand on are one

2618
01:52:29,587 --> 01:52:29,988
people one San Diego I want to

2619
01:52:29,988 --> 01:52:30,722
broaden one.

2620
01:52:30,722 --> 01:52:31,890
I'm sorry your time has

2621
01:52:31,890 --> 01:52:31,923
concluded.

2622
01:52:31,923 --> 01:52:35,126
We'll hear from you again next

2623
01:52:35,126 --> 01:52:35,460
week but you wrap if you can

2624
01:52:35,460 --> 01:52:37,460
unmute.

2625
01:52:39,290 --> 01:52:39,731
>> Good morning Council

2626
01:52:39,731 --> 01:52:40,464
PRESIDENT And council members.

2627
01:52:40,464 --> 01:52:41,366
My name is Becky Rapp and again

2628
01:52:41,366 --> 01:52:44,703
I'd like to thank you for

2629
01:52:44,703 --> 01:52:45,437
the opportunity to speak today

2630
01:52:45,437 --> 01:52:46,370
and I want to acknowledge that

2631
01:52:46,370 --> 01:52:48,437
Vision Zero was recently

2632
01:52:49,674 --> 01:52:50,175
discussed at the Active

2633
01:52:50,175 --> 01:52:50,876
Transportation and

2634
01:52:50,876 --> 01:52:53,276
Infrastructure Committee and I

2635
01:52:54,179 --> 01:52:54,813
appreciate the city's continued

2636
01:52:54,813 --> 01:52:55,513
commitment to eliminating

2637
01:52:55,513 --> 01:52:55,881
traffic fatalities and serious

2638
01:52:55,881 --> 01:52:57,881
injuries.

2639
01:52:59,851 --> 01:53:00,485
Vision Zero is an important

2640
01:53:00,485 --> 01:53:01,185
public health goal and it

2641
01:53:01,185 --> 01:53:03,585
reflects our responsibility to

2642
01:53:04,456 --> 01:53:04,890
make San Diego streets safer

2643
01:53:04,890 --> 01:53:05,557
for everyone.

2644
01:53:05,557 --> 01:53:08,557
We know that lowering speed

2645
01:53:09,761 --> 01:53:10,395
limits and redesigning streets

2646
01:53:10,395 --> 01:53:11,630
are critical strategies.

2647
01:53:11,630 --> 01:53:13,463
Speed directly impacts crash

2648
01:53:15,667 --> 01:53:16,334
severity and when drivers are

2649
01:53:16,334 --> 01:53:18,734
attentive and sober reducing

2650
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:21,640
speeds absolutely saves lives.

2651
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:22,374
However, if Vision Zero is

2652
01:53:22,374 --> 01:53:25,844
going to be truly effective, we

2653
01:53:25,844 --> 01:53:26,378
must also address one of

2654
01:53:26,378 --> 01:53:27,120
the most significant

2655
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:27,713
contributors to severe and

2656
01:53:27,713 --> 01:53:30,713
fatal crashes and that's drug

2657
01:53:30,949 --> 01:53:31,616
and alcohol impairment.

2658
01:53:31,616 --> 01:53:33,616
Nationally, about 1 in 3

2659
01:53:35,587 --> 01:53:36,540
traffic fatalities involves an

2660
01:53:36,540 --> 01:53:36,855
impaired driver.

2661
01:53:36,855 --> 01:53:40,455
A posted sign alone will not

2662
01:53:40,626 --> 01:53:41,460
change the behavior of someone

2663
01:53:41,460 --> 01:53:42,129
who is under the influence.

2664
01:53:42,129 --> 01:53:44,529
Impaired drivers have slower

2665
01:53:45,597 --> 01:53:46,465
reaction time reduced judgment

2666
01:53:46,465 --> 01:53:47,650
and are more likely to speed or

2667
01:53:47,650 --> 01:53:49,650
ignore traffic signals

2668
01:53:50,936 --> 01:53:51,537
altogether.

2669
01:53:51,537 --> 01:53:52,237
If we're serious about

2670
01:53:52,237 --> 01:53:54,637
achieving zero traffic deaths,

2671
01:53:56,175 --> 01:53:56,875
prevention must be part of

2672
01:53:56,875 --> 01:53:57,576
the process and that includes

2673
01:53:57,576 --> 01:53:59,976
incorporating drug and alcohol

2674
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:01,880
prevention efforts, public

2675
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:03,880
education campaigns and

2676
01:54:06,285 --> 01:54:06,585
meaningful visible enforcement

2677
01:54:06,585 --> 01:54:07,286
.

2678
01:54:07,286 --> 01:54:08,540
A simple but very impactful

2679
01:54:08,540 --> 01:54:11,540
suggestion would be to remove

2680
01:54:11,924 --> 01:54:12,624
all billboards promoting and

2681
01:54:12,624 --> 01:54:13,240
advertising marijuana products

2682
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,240
in our city.

2683
01:54:16,795 --> 01:54:17,496
I urge the Council to ensure

2684
01:54:17,496 --> 01:54:17,930
that its Vision zero policies

2685
01:54:17,930 --> 01:54:19,930
move forward.

2686
01:54:21,567 --> 01:54:22,368
Impaired driving prevention is

2687
01:54:22,368 --> 01:54:23,102
not treated as a separate issue

2688
01:54:23,102 --> 01:54:26,605
but as a core piece of

2689
01:54:26,605 --> 01:54:26,972
the city's traffic safety

2690
01:54:26,972 --> 01:54:27,573
strategy.

2691
01:54:27,573 --> 01:54:27,940
>> Thank you very much.

2692
01:54:27,940 --> 01:54:29,940
Thank you.

2693
01:54:32,511 --> 01:54:33,144
Next is Andrea Arena.

2694
01:54:33,144 --> 01:54:33,846
The five minute timer did

2695
01:54:33,846 --> 01:54:34,580
conclude our six speakers and

2696
01:54:34,580 --> 01:54:35,140
the keynote additional speakers

2697
01:54:35,140 --> 01:54:37,140
will be taken.

2698
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:37,316
Andrea Irving then 8813 then

2699
01:54:37,316 --> 01:54:39,316
7499.

2700
01:54:41,921 --> 01:54:42,721
>> Hi this is Andrea having a i

2701
01:54:42,721 --> 01:54:43,355
am a victim of a horrific

2702
01:54:43,355 --> 01:54:43,655
violent crime here in San

2703
01:54:43,655 --> 01:54:45,655
Diego.

2704
01:54:47,250 --> 01:54:47,726
My children were abducted

2705
01:54:47,726 --> 01:54:51,326
driven across the country on a

2706
01:54:52,131 --> 01:54:52,832
permanently suspended license

2707
01:54:52,832 --> 01:54:53,566
by a felony charge strangler.

2708
01:54:53,566 --> 01:54:56,566
Our county and city have

2709
01:54:56,936 --> 01:54:57,636
abandoned all of us completely.

2710
01:54:57,636 --> 01:54:58,370
I'm not talking about this in

2711
01:54:58,370 --> 01:55:00,370
past tense.

2712
01:55:02,107 --> 01:55:02,775
This is a current issue.

2713
01:55:02,775 --> 01:55:03,643
This is not going away.

2714
01:55:03,643 --> 01:55:06,643
I didn't forget about my

2715
01:55:07,213 --> 01:55:10,213
children and the filthy pig

2716
01:55:11,651 --> 01:55:14,510
bottom feeding alcoholic pig

2717
01:55:16,388 --> 01:55:17,560
drug court judge who was at one

2718
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:17,757
point a family court judge.

2719
01:55:17,757 --> 01:55:20,757
Her name is Paula Rosenstein.

2720
01:55:21,594 --> 01:55:24,998
You might find her on the bar

2721
01:55:24,998 --> 01:55:25,698
of the night owl at 6 A.M.

2722
01:55:25,698 --> 01:55:26,465
Being sloughed off so she can

2723
01:55:26,465 --> 01:55:30,650
go into her courtroom and body

2724
01:55:30,169 --> 01:55:30,870
broker that pig sold my

2725
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:33,270
children for rehab kickbacks.

2726
01:55:35,740 --> 01:55:35,841
That's not a past tense thing.

2727
01:55:35,841 --> 01:55:39,441
It's never going to go away.

2728
01:55:39,879 --> 01:55:40,680
And our mob boss D.A. Better be

2729
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:41,380
on alert that the real feds are

2730
01:55:41,380 --> 01:55:44,380
watching her and her husband.

2731
01:55:45,451 --> 01:55:45,952
That's why he had to step down

2732
01:55:45,952 --> 01:55:46,686
four years early.

2733
01:55:46,686 --> 01:55:47,190
We need to look at the larger

2734
01:55:47,190 --> 01:55:49,190
system.

2735
01:55:49,489 --> 01:55:50,189
Ernie, the guy who was talking

2736
01:55:50,189 --> 01:55:50,857
earlier are you kidding me?

2737
01:55:50,857 --> 01:55:53,857
Are you guys kidding me?

2738
01:55:54,627 --> 01:55:55,395
Seriously, this many cover ups

2739
01:55:55,395 --> 01:55:56,129
,this many removals of police

2740
01:55:56,129 --> 01:55:59,129
reports everybody is in really,

2741
01:55:59,198 --> 01:55:59,899
really deep trouble right now

2742
01:55:59,899 --> 01:56:03,499
and I hope everyone sees it

2743
01:56:03,603 --> 01:56:04,269
coming to them in slow motion

2744
01:56:04,269 --> 01:56:07,269
because it won't be stopped.

2745
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:08,641
I can assure you one thing this

2746
01:56:08,641 --> 01:56:12,612
was a started off as a case

2747
01:56:12,612 --> 01:56:13,379
where you know anybody could

2748
01:56:13,379 --> 01:56:14,130
have done their job and then

2749
01:56:14,130 --> 01:56:14,380
law enforcement would have

2750
01:56:14,380 --> 01:56:15,140
helped us.

2751
01:56:15,140 --> 01:56:17,414
Victim services would have

2752
01:56:17,584 --> 01:56:18,510
helped us But no family courts

2753
01:56:18,510 --> 01:56:18,318
didn't help us.

2754
01:56:18,318 --> 01:56:19,520
No.

2755
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:19,385
Everybody's a pig in a bottom

2756
01:56:19,385 --> 01:56:21,385
feeder.

2757
01:56:22,187 --> 01:56:22,588
Everybody wants a little bit of

2758
01:56:22,588 --> 01:56:23,560
blood money.

2759
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:23,957
But guess what?

2760
01:56:23,957 --> 01:56:26,726
Now it's a rico case and firms

2761
01:56:26,726 --> 01:56:27,360
from all over the country are

2762
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:29,760
salivating for this case.

2763
01:56:30,964 --> 01:56:31,664
And Ernie and anyone who's

2764
01:56:31,664 --> 01:56:32,332
experienced the alteration of

2765
01:56:32,332 --> 01:56:34,732
charges, removal of records,

2766
01:56:36,202 --> 01:56:36,703
alteration of court records

2767
01:56:36,703 --> 01:56:38,703
let's collaborate.

2768
01:56:41,408 --> 01:56:41,708
Let's make it a rico case for

2769
01:56:41,708 --> 01:56:42,375
all.

2770
01:56:42,375 --> 01:56:44,775
>> Thank you so much.

2771
01:56:45,211 --> 01:56:47,611
Your time has concluded

2772
01:56:55,455 --> 01:56:55,956
81317499813 please and mute

2773
01:56:55,956 --> 01:56:57,956
your eye Matt.

2774
01:56:59,458 --> 01:57:00,250
>> Yep.

2775
01:57:00,250 --> 01:57:00,327
Can you hear me?

2776
01:57:00,327 --> 01:57:00,794
Yes.

2777
01:57:00,794 --> 01:57:01,940
Please proceed.

2778
01:57:01,940 --> 01:57:01,394
Okay.

2779
01:57:01,394 --> 01:57:03,394
Here.

2780
01:57:04,297 --> 01:57:05,650
Amen to Andrea Irvin.

2781
01:57:05,650 --> 01:57:08,435
Thank you so much for that.

2782
01:57:08,435 --> 01:57:11,435
And so first stop for

2783
01:57:11,738 --> 01:57:12,239
the concerned citizen with

2784
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:12,939
stage four cancer.

2785
01:57:12,939 --> 01:57:13,240
Ernie, I believe that's your

2786
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:15,240
name.

2787
01:57:16,443 --> 01:57:17,477
Thank you so much.

2788
01:57:17,477 --> 01:57:21,747
I felt that fire and I do hope

2789
01:57:21,747 --> 01:57:22,482
that justice is served.

2790
01:57:22,482 --> 01:57:25,482
>> It's crucial that more of

2791
01:57:26,753 --> 01:57:27,487
the public participate in these

2792
01:57:27,487 --> 01:57:28,880
government agency meetings from

2793
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,880
the county to Phenix to

2794
01:57:32,192 --> 01:57:32,526
the city council to the city

2795
01:57:32,526 --> 01:57:33,260
council.

2796
01:57:33,260 --> 01:57:33,927
They continue to gather with so

2797
01:57:33,927 --> 01:57:36,290
much and it's all by design.

2798
01:57:36,290 --> 01:57:36,663
They need the public disengaged

2799
01:57:36,663 --> 01:57:37,364
and distracted with other

2800
01:57:37,364 --> 01:57:39,764
things especially just trying

2801
01:57:40,300 --> 01:57:40,967
to get by a county full of

2802
01:57:40,967 --> 01:57:43,367
people barely surviving when

2803
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:45,772
they should be thriving

2804
01:57:45,772 --> 01:57:46,339
especially here in San Diego.

2805
01:57:46,339 --> 01:57:48,339
The programing and

2806
01:57:50,377 --> 01:57:51,780
indoctrination runs deep Many

2807
01:57:51,780 --> 01:57:53,780
government employees under

2808
01:57:55,415 --> 01:57:56,490
the illusion that they're

2809
01:57:56,490 --> 01:57:56,683
simply doing their job and

2810
01:57:56,683 --> 01:57:58,683
contributing to progress.

2811
01:58:00,860 --> 01:58:00,954
Biggest delusion ever.

2812
01:58:00,954 --> 01:58:03,690
I'd like to take the rest of my

2813
01:58:03,690 --> 01:58:04,390
time to speak on the United

2814
01:58:04,390 --> 01:58:04,725
Nations agenda for the 21st

2815
01:58:04,725 --> 01:58:05,920
century.

2816
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:05,459
It's real.

2817
01:58:05,459 --> 01:58:07,459
It's here.

2818
01:58:08,295 --> 01:58:08,929
They've moved incrementally an

2819
01:58:08,929 --> 01:58:09,563
intentionally doing things

2820
01:58:09,563 --> 01:58:12,563
right under our noses then

2821
01:58:13,567 --> 01:58:14,234
convincing us it's for our

2822
01:58:14,234 --> 01:58:17,234
safety our benefit that just

2823
01:58:18,772 --> 01:58:19,406
sick twisted inverted system It

2824
01:58:19,406 --> 01:58:22,406
has the people rooting for

2825
01:58:23,143 --> 01:58:23,911
their own enslavement.

2826
01:58:23,911 --> 01:58:24,578
I urge the public to at least

2827
01:58:24,578 --> 01:58:26,978
acknowledge that these local

2828
01:58:27,448 --> 01:58:27,848
government agencies are failing

2829
01:58:27,848 --> 01:58:28,548
the people.

2830
01:58:28,548 --> 01:58:31,548
They've only been effective in

2831
01:58:32,786 --> 01:58:33,554
getting more people dependent

2832
01:58:33,554 --> 01:58:37,754
on them for them all by design,

2833
01:58:39,293 --> 01:58:42,893
all for control like that San

2834
01:58:43,931 --> 01:58:44,298
Diego, thanks for your

2835
01:58:44,298 --> 01:58:44,698
comments.

2836
01:58:44,698 --> 01:58:46,698
Yes it does.

2837
01:58:48,135 --> 01:58:48,602
Thank you.

2838
01:58:48,602 --> 01:58:50,602
Thank you.

2839
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:55,640
7499 If you can please unmute

2840
01:58:57,645 --> 01:58:58,311
Bob Kozinski here.

2841
01:58:58,311 --> 01:58:59,130
As I've mentioned yesterday

2842
01:58:59,130 --> 01:58:59,680
the city government including

2843
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:02,680
Todd Gloria, Joe LaCava and

2844
01:59:02,917 --> 01:59:03,618
this entire council has been

2845
01:59:03,618 --> 01:59:04,318
allowing a private business to

2846
01:59:04,318 --> 01:59:07,918
abuse its role in managing one

2847
01:59:08,155 --> 01:59:08,788
of our most iconic city parks

2848
01:59:08,788 --> 01:59:09,900
at the Torrey Pines Glider

2849
01:59:09,900 --> 01:59:09,790
port.

2850
01:59:09,790 --> 01:59:12,593
As I also mentioned yesterday,

2851
01:59:12,593 --> 01:59:13,294
it's certainly reasonable for

2852
01:59:13,294 --> 01:59:13,861
the city to purchase products

2853
01:59:13,861 --> 01:59:15,861
from outside vendors.

2854
01:59:16,897 --> 01:59:17,565
It's even reasonable for

2855
01:59:17,565 --> 01:59:17,932
the city to purchase outside

2856
01:59:17,932 --> 01:59:18,566
services.

2857
01:59:18,566 --> 01:59:21,566
But it is unreasonable and

2858
01:59:22,236 --> 01:59:22,903
inappropriate for the city to

2859
01:59:22,903 --> 01:59:25,303
force citizens into business

2860
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:27,740
and membership relationships

2861
01:59:27,740 --> 01:59:27,775
with private businesses in

2862
01:59:27,775 --> 01:59:30,775
order to access city services

2863
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:32,213
and resources including access

2864
01:59:32,213 --> 01:59:32,880
to our city parks.

2865
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:33,247
That's where you've crossed

2866
01:59:33,247 --> 01:59:35,247
the line.

2867
01:59:37,218 --> 01:59:37,885
There is no reason why this

2868
01:59:37,885 --> 01:59:38,519
city can't manage the Torrey

2869
01:59:38,519 --> 01:59:41,255
Pines glider port just as

2870
01:59:41,255 --> 01:59:41,988
the city manages our beaches

2871
01:59:41,988 --> 01:59:45,588
and parks and tennis courts and

2872
01:59:45,793 --> 01:59:46,494
volleyball courts and dog parks

2873
01:59:46,494 --> 01:59:47,128
and streets and sidewalks and

2874
01:59:47,128 --> 01:59:49,528
even this building itself.

2875
01:59:50,665 --> 01:59:51,365
Imagine if the city turned over

2876
01:59:51,365 --> 01:59:52,330
control of this building to a

2877
01:59:52,330 --> 01:59:54,433
private business who decided

2878
01:59:55,636 --> 01:59:56,337
that anyone who testified

2879
01:59:56,337 --> 01:59:57,400
against them would not be

2880
01:59:57,400 --> 01:59:57,638
allowed in this building or

2881
01:59:57,638 --> 01:59:57,972
allowed to call in to this

2882
01:59:57,972 --> 01:59:59,972
council?

2883
02:00:00,441 --> 02:00:01,142
Yet that's exactly what's

2884
02:00:01,142 --> 02:00:01,508
happening at our Torrey Pines

2885
02:00:01,508 --> 02:00:03,508
City Park.

2886
02:00:04,445 --> 02:00:05,146
Let's remember all of these

2887
02:00:05,146 --> 02:00:05,813
abuses from red light cameras

2888
02:00:05,813 --> 02:00:08,213
to forced relationships with

2889
02:00:09,417 --> 02:00:10,150
private businesses for city

2890
02:00:10,150 --> 02:00:10,751
communications to not accepting

2891
02:00:10,751 --> 02:00:13,751
cash for parking in our

2892
02:00:13,855 --> 02:00:14,555
structures to force memberships

2893
02:00:14,555 --> 02:00:15,220
with private businesses to use

2894
02:00:15,220 --> 02:00:17,220
our city parks.

2895
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:19,727
These are all abuses that arise

2896
02:00:19,727 --> 02:00:22,727
when the city hires outside

2897
02:00:23,631 --> 02:00:24,365
businesses and then shirks its

2898
02:00:24,365 --> 02:00:25,330
duty to ensure that citizens

2899
02:00:25,330 --> 02:00:25,433
are treated fairly by those

2900
02:00:25,433 --> 02:00:27,433
businesses.

2901
02:00:29,537 --> 02:00:30,238
What's ironic is that all of

2902
02:00:30,238 --> 02:00:33,238
you left wing council members

2903
02:00:33,841 --> 02:00:34,576
and Mayor would very quickly

2904
02:00:34,576 --> 02:00:35,176
accuse conservatives of putting

2905
02:00:35,176 --> 02:00:37,176
business interests above

2906
02:00:38,246 --> 02:00:39,800
the public.

2907
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:39,746
If you observed any of these

2908
02:00:39,746 --> 02:00:42,146
actions by conservatives but

2909
02:00:43,485 --> 02:00:44,252
here you are doing exactly

2910
02:00:44,252 --> 02:00:47,852
the same thing every single day

2911
02:00:48,423 --> 02:00:49,900
Reactivate the Torrey Pines

2912
02:00:49,900 --> 02:00:49,724
City Park Advisory Board and

2913
02:00:49,724 --> 02:00:50,570
implement the Torrey Pines

2914
02:00:50,570 --> 02:00:52,570
waiver.

2915
02:00:53,595 --> 02:00:54,462
Now thank you.

2916
02:00:54,462 --> 02:00:58,620
>> Next is Madison if you can

2917
02:00:58,600 --> 02:00:59,300
please and mute then Arnie

2918
02:00:59,300 --> 02:00:59,733
Casco and Michael Schmitz our

2919
02:00:59,733 --> 02:01:00,101
final speaker.

2920
02:01:00,101 --> 02:01:02,101
All right.

2921
02:01:02,637 --> 02:01:03,338
Thank you.

2922
02:01:03,338 --> 02:01:04,600
Good morning, council members.

2923
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:07,600
Last week the Public Health

2924
02:01:07,676 --> 02:01:08,476
Institute announced findings

2925
02:01:08,476 --> 02:01:09,210
from a major longitudinal study

2926
02:01:09,210 --> 02:01:12,210
published in jama Health Forum.

2927
02:01:12,914 --> 02:01:14,914
The study's followed 463,000

2928
02:01:17,252 --> 02:01:17,920
adolescents and young adults.

2929
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:18,653
It found that teens who

2930
02:01:18,653 --> 02:01:21,653
reported past year cannabis use

2931
02:01:22,389 --> 02:01:23,910
at double the risk of

2932
02:01:23,910 --> 02:01:25,910
developing psychotic disorders

2933
02:01:27,428 --> 02:01:28,163
and doubled the risk of

2934
02:01:28,163 --> 02:01:28,629
developing bipolar disorder and

2935
02:01:28,629 --> 02:01:30,629
young adulthood.

2936
02:01:32,100 --> 02:01:32,801
They also faced significant

2937
02:01:32,801 --> 02:01:33,134
higher risks of depression and

2938
02:01:33,134 --> 02:01:35,134
anxiety.

2939
02:01:36,772 --> 02:01:37,171
Importantly, the cannabis use

2940
02:01:37,171 --> 02:01:37,939
came first.

2941
02:01:37,939 --> 02:01:40,939
>> On average the use proceeded

2942
02:01:42,100 --> 02:01:42,377
psychiatric diagnoses by nearly

2943
02:01:42,377 --> 02:01:43,780
two years.

2944
02:01:43,780 --> 02:01:45,478
This strengthens the evidence

2945
02:01:46,381 --> 02:01:47,115
that adolescent cannabis

2946
02:01:47,115 --> 02:01:47,748
exposure is not just correlated

2947
02:01:47,748 --> 02:01:50,748
with but MAY contribute to

2948
02:01:51,453 --> 02:01:52,187
serious mental illness.

2949
02:01:52,187 --> 02:01:52,520
Adolescent cannabis use remains

2950
02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:54,520
common.

2951
02:01:56,758 --> 02:01:57,392
The risks are rising while

2952
02:01:57,392 --> 02:01:57,726
the perception of harm is

2953
02:01:57,726 --> 02:01:59,726
falling.

2954
02:02:01,463 --> 02:02:02,130
The study also found higher

2955
02:02:02,130 --> 02:02:02,864
rates of cannabis use among

2956
02:02:02,864 --> 02:02:05,864
youths enrolled in Medicaid and

2957
02:02:06,501 --> 02:02:07,136
those living in more

2958
02:02:07,136 --> 02:02:07,569
socioeconomically deprived

2959
02:02:07,569 --> 02:02:08,237
neighborhoods.

2960
02:02:08,237 --> 02:02:10,237
That means commercialization

2961
02:02:10,839 --> 02:02:11,540
MAY be widening mental health

2962
02:02:11,540 --> 02:02:13,940
disparities something our city

2963
02:02:15,644 --> 02:02:16,411
cannot ignore.

2964
02:02:16,411 --> 02:02:17,112
I urge the City Council to

2965
02:02:17,112 --> 02:02:19,112
strengthen local restrictions

2966
02:02:20,715 --> 02:02:21,416
on youth targeted cannabis

2967
02:02:21,416 --> 02:02:22,500
marketing support funding for

2968
02:02:22,500 --> 02:02:24,450
school and community based

2969
02:02:25,387 --> 02:02:26,880
prevention programs require

2970
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:28,488
clear prominent warnings about

2971
02:02:30,580 --> 02:02:30,626
high potency thc products and

2972
02:02:30,626 --> 02:02:32,626
partner with pediatric

2973
02:02:34,896 --> 02:02:35,531
providers to expand screening

2974
02:02:35,531 --> 02:02:35,964
and early intervention for

2975
02:02:35,964 --> 02:02:36,665
cannabis use.

2976
02:02:36,665 --> 02:02:40,169
The mental health of our young

2977
02:02:40,169 --> 02:02:40,536
people is worth fighting for.

2978
02:02:40,536 --> 02:02:42,536
Thank you.

2979
02:02:44,373 --> 02:02:46,373
Thank you.

2980
02:02:49,745 --> 02:02:50,245
Next, is there any Casco?

2981
02:02:50,245 --> 02:02:50,546
>> Yes.

2982
02:02:50,546 --> 02:02:52,546
Hello.

2983
02:02:54,116 --> 02:02:54,416
Ernie Casco, Senior resident

2984
02:02:54,416 --> 02:02:55,500
pilot.

2985
02:02:55,500 --> 02:02:55,350
Torrey Pines Glider apart.

2986
02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:57,350
Yeah.

2987
02:02:58,854 --> 02:02:59,555
My home was invaded and I

2988
02:02:59,555 --> 02:03:00,356
reported to you and you did

2989
02:03:00,356 --> 02:03:03,826
nothing about it and it was

2990
02:03:03,826 --> 02:03:04,593
invaded again.

2991
02:03:04,593 --> 02:03:05,294
Torrey Pines Glider part is

2992
02:03:05,294 --> 02:03:08,294
well documented on your desk.

2993
02:03:08,397 --> 02:03:08,731
Your lease holder is breaking

2994
02:03:08,731 --> 02:03:09,565
the law.

2995
02:03:09,565 --> 02:03:10,432
I should not be forced to sign

2996
02:03:10,432 --> 02:03:13,569
a lease holder waiver when city

2997
02:03:13,569 --> 02:03:14,203
liabilities are already covered

2998
02:03:14,203 --> 02:03:14,637
by California recreational

2999
02:03:14,637 --> 02:03:15,303
Statutes law.

3000
02:03:15,303 --> 02:03:17,703
This is misappropriation of

3001
02:03:18,841 --> 02:03:19,542
public funding going into

3002
02:03:19,542 --> 02:03:22,542
private accounts and demands a

3003
02:03:23,512 --> 02:03:24,213
full transparent city audit

3004
02:03:24,213 --> 02:03:24,614
that would end the dispute by

3005
02:03:24,614 --> 02:03:26,614
exposing it.

3006
02:03:28,751 --> 02:03:29,485
It's illegal for anyone

3007
02:03:29,485 --> 02:03:31,885
including your city leaseholder

3008
02:03:32,955 --> 02:03:33,689
to force anyone into a license

3009
02:03:33,689 --> 02:03:35,570
and a contract for our freedom.

3010
02:03:35,570 --> 02:03:38,570
You've turned our freedom into

3011
02:03:40,229 --> 02:03:40,997
privilege.

3012
02:03:40,997 --> 02:03:41,597
>> This is unacceptable under

3013
02:03:41,597 --> 02:03:43,997
any terms, conditions or

3014
02:03:45,401 --> 02:03:46,200
circumstances allowing this

3015
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:46,636
crime to continue is a

3016
02:03:46,636 --> 02:03:46,969
violation of your oath of

3017
02:03:46,969 --> 02:03:47,703
office.

3018
02:03:47,703 --> 02:03:51,903
Joe LaCava Time for you to step

3019
02:03:52,775 --> 02:03:53,576
out of office.

3020
02:03:53,576 --> 02:03:54,243
We have a petition Black Beach

3021
02:03:54,243 --> 02:03:56,643
recreational scandal to stop

3022
02:03:56,979 --> 02:03:57,747
the illegal commercialization

3023
02:03:57,747 --> 02:03:58,447
of Torrey Pines Glider port and

3024
02:03:58,447 --> 02:03:59,480
San Diego Parks with hundreds

3025
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:01,480
of signatures demanding

3026
02:04:02,652 --> 02:04:03,386
authorities take action.

3027
02:04:03,386 --> 02:04:04,200
We have a unanimous letter of

3028
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:06,420
support from town council

3029
02:04:07,323 --> 02:04:07,957
the Shores Association to

3030
02:04:07,957 --> 02:04:10,357
reconvene the Torrey Pines

3031
02:04:12,528 --> 02:04:13,196
Advisory Board permanently as

3032
02:04:13,196 --> 02:04:13,896
needed for public safety and

3033
02:04:13,896 --> 02:04:16,896
oversight at Torrey Pines Glad

3034
02:04:17,967 --> 02:04:18,634
to Port City Council has a

3035
02:04:18,634 --> 02:04:19,267
beautiful solution known as

3036
02:04:19,267 --> 02:04:21,667
the San Diego Recreational

3037
02:04:22,205 --> 02:04:22,605
waiver that would end

3038
02:04:22,605 --> 02:04:23,239
the dispute.

3039
02:04:23,239 --> 02:04:25,639
The San Diego recreational

3040
02:04:26,976 --> 02:04:27,543
waiver stops city leaseholder

3041
02:04:27,543 --> 02:04:28,177
internal corruption by

3042
02:04:28,177 --> 02:04:30,577
separating your screwed up

3043
02:04:32,148 --> 02:04:32,649
business with free public

3044
02:04:32,649 --> 02:04:33,348
access and rights.

3045
02:04:33,348 --> 02:04:35,748
San Diego Recreational Waiver

3046
02:04:37,487 --> 02:04:38,870
Isolate safety concerns Secure

3047
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:38,721
single city liabilities

3048
02:04:38,721 --> 02:04:39,322
restores our recreational

3049
02:04:39,322 --> 02:04:41,722
rights and freedoms and

3050
02:04:42,250 --> 02:04:42,625
addresses the victim and

3051
02:04:42,625 --> 02:04:43,359
witnesses that have been

3052
02:04:43,359 --> 02:04:45,759
damaged by your administration.

3053
02:04:46,896 --> 02:04:47,664
Poor decisions It's time for

3054
02:04:47,664 --> 02:04:50,664
City Council to make good

3055
02:04:51,367 --> 02:04:51,968
decisions and restore

3056
02:04:51,968 --> 02:04:52,635
recreational rights and

3057
02:04:52,635 --> 02:04:55,635
freedoms for years to come.

3058
02:04:56,506 --> 02:04:57,140
By implementing the San Diego

3059
02:04:57,140 --> 02:04:57,874
recreational waiver, it's

3060
02:04:57,874 --> 02:05:01,100
the best decision you can make.

3061
02:05:01,100 --> 02:05:01,844
Joe LaCava.

3062
02:05:01,844 --> 02:05:02,545
If you want me to walk away

3063
02:05:02,545 --> 02:05:04,945
while you blatantly rob

3064
02:05:05,482 --> 02:05:06,215
American.

3065
02:05:06,215 --> 02:05:06,850
Your time has concluded.

3066
02:05:06,850 --> 02:05:09,250
Michael Schmidt your final

3067
02:05:10,620 --> 02:05:12,620
speaker please unmute.

3068
02:05:15,859 --> 02:05:16,293
>> Good morning my lovely

3069
02:05:16,293 --> 02:05:16,559
friends Diana.

3070
02:05:16,559 --> 02:05:18,559
Hi.

3071
02:05:21,970 --> 02:05:24,601
I was going to home because I

3072
02:05:24,601 --> 02:05:27,601
just found out today that

3073
02:05:34,644 --> 02:05:35,345
puppies will drive in on

3074
02:05:35,345 --> 02:05:37,745
driverless Google Drive is

3075
02:05:40,500 --> 02:05:40,450
situated in their traffic

3076
02:05:40,450 --> 02:05:42,450
signal sign.

3077
02:05:43,587 --> 02:05:44,354
It needs a replacement as soon

3078
02:05:44,354 --> 02:05:47,354
as possible and second to

3079
02:05:56,300 --> 02:05:56,616
everything from yesterday to I

3080
02:05:56,616 --> 02:05:57,300
.

3081
02:05:57,300 --> 02:05:57,801
That concludes your comments.

3082
02:05:57,801 --> 02:06:00,201
Yes and thank you.

3083
02:06:00,971 --> 02:06:01,638
That concludes on agenda public

3084
02:06:01,638 --> 02:06:02,710
comment for today's meeting.

3085
02:06:02,710 --> 02:06:02,773
>> All right.

3086
02:06:02,773 --> 02:06:03,407
Thank you City clerk With that

3087
02:06:03,407 --> 02:06:06,760
we will now adjourn for

3088
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:06,743
the noon recess and reconvene

3089
02:06:06,743 --> 02:06:07,277
open session at 2 P.M. Or

3090
02:06:07,277 --> 02:06:09,277
shortly thereafter.

3091
02:17:34,759 --> 02:17:35,600
Thank you

3092
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:37,600
.

3093
02:19:36,115 --> 02:19:38,115
>> And

3094
02:22:05,933 --> 02:22:07,933
I

3095
02:23:41,895 --> 02:23:43,895
will go

3096
02:24:32,446 --> 02:24:34,446
and

3097
02:24:38,485 --> 02:24:38,853
All right, good

3098
02:24:38,853 --> 02:24:39,553
afternoon.

3099
02:24:39,553 --> 02:24:42,790
I will now reconvene the city

3100
02:24:42,790 --> 02:24:43,324
council meeting of Tuesday,

3101
02:24:43,324 --> 02:24:43,991
February 24th, 2026.

3102
02:24:43,991 --> 02:24:46,991
Clerk Please call the roll.

3103
02:24:47,895 --> 02:24:48,529
Thank you.

3104
02:24:48,529 --> 02:24:49,196
Council PRESIDENT Council

3105
02:24:49,196 --> 02:24:49,863
Member Campbell here Council

3106
02:24:49,863 --> 02:24:52,263
Member Whitburn here Council

3107
02:24:52,967 --> 02:24:53,667
Member Foster Council Member

3108
02:24:53,667 --> 02:24:56,670
Von Wilpert Council PRESIDENT

3109
02:24:57,438 --> 02:24:58,106
Pro Tem Lee Council Member

3110
02:24:58,106 --> 02:25:00,506
Campo Council Member Moreno

3111
02:25:02,476 --> 02:25:03,144
Present Council member Eli

3112
02:25:03,144 --> 02:25:03,611
Rivera and Council PRESIDENT

3113
02:25:03,611 --> 02:25:04,312
LaCava present.

3114
02:25:04,312 --> 02:25:07,312
Also attending the meeting are

3115
02:25:07,748 --> 02:25:08,449
Assistant City Attorney Leslie

3116
02:25:08,449 --> 02:25:09,500
Fitzgerald, Independent Budget

3117
02:25:09,500 --> 02:25:11,500
Analyst Charles Mollica,

3118
02:25:12,153 --> 02:25:12,754
Council Affairs Advisor in

3119
02:25:12,754 --> 02:25:13,420
the Mayor's office, Code

3120
02:25:13,420 --> 02:25:14,122
advisor and myself your city

3121
02:25:14,122 --> 02:25:16,857
Clerk Diana Fuentes Thank you.

3122
02:25:16,857 --> 02:25:17,558
Council PRESIDENT All right.

3123
02:25:17,558 --> 02:25:18,292
Thank you City Clerk.

3124
02:25:18,292 --> 02:25:21,892
Quorum is now present with that

3125
02:25:21,896 --> 02:25:22,630
clerk Please introduce item 332

3126
02:25:22,630 --> 02:25:23,364
Item 332 is the Preservation

3127
02:25:23,364 --> 02:25:26,964
and Progress package a if you

3128
02:25:26,968 --> 02:25:27,668
would like to speak to this

3129
02:25:27,668 --> 02:25:28,402
item please be sure to submit

3130
02:25:28,402 --> 02:25:31,372
Your speaker slips to the front

3131
02:25:31,372 --> 02:25:32,140
of the room in the clear box.

3132
02:25:32,140 --> 02:25:32,840
If you are seating time please

3133
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:33,407
be sure that you're submitting

3134
02:25:33,407 --> 02:25:35,807
your speaker slip with

3135
02:25:35,843 --> 02:25:36,244
the person that you are seating

3136
02:25:36,244 --> 02:25:36,911
time to.

3137
02:25:36,911 --> 02:25:37,645
They should be coming up

3138
02:25:37,645 --> 02:25:40,448
together and if you are virtual

3139
02:25:40,448 --> 02:25:41,148
now's the time to raise your

3140
02:25:41,148 --> 02:25:41,783
hand by pressing Star nine or

3141
02:25:41,783 --> 02:25:44,184
the raise your hand icon.

3142
02:25:44,184 --> 02:25:47,184
Thank you Council PRESIDENT All

3143
02:25:49,457 --> 02:25:50,158
right thank you With that as

3144
02:25:50,158 --> 02:25:52,626
you settle in please introduce

3145
02:25:52,626 --> 02:25:53,595
yourselves for the record and

3146
02:25:53,595 --> 02:25:57,795
let us know how much time you

3147
02:26:07,700 --> 02:26:07,608
need.

3148
02:26:07,608 --> 02:26:08,760
Thank you very much.

3149
02:26:08,760 --> 02:26:10,760
Good afternoon.

3150
02:26:11,746 --> 02:26:12,347
I'm Kelly Stanko, deputy

3151
02:26:12,347 --> 02:26:13,470
director of the Climate

3152
02:26:13,470 --> 02:26:13,748
Preservation and Public Spaces

3153
02:26:13,748 --> 02:26:14,148
Division in the City Planning

3154
02:26:14,148 --> 02:26:16,148
Department.

3155
02:26:16,917 --> 02:26:17,485
I'll need about 20 minutes for

3156
02:26:17,485 --> 02:26:17,919
my presentation today.

3157
02:26:17,919 --> 02:26:18,419
>> All right.

3158
02:26:18,419 --> 02:26:20,419
When you're ready.

3159
02:26:21,189 --> 02:26:21,689
Thank you so much.

3160
02:26:21,689 --> 02:26:22,324
Good afternoon.

3161
02:26:22,324 --> 02:26:23,240
Council PRESIDENT LaCava,

3162
02:26:23,240 --> 02:26:25,593
members of the City Council I

3163
02:26:25,593 --> 02:26:26,360
am pleased to present to you

3164
02:26:26,360 --> 02:26:27,280
today package a of preservation

3165
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:27,729
and progress a comprehensive

3166
02:26:27,729 --> 02:26:30,729
update to the city's heritage

3167
02:26:30,998 --> 02:26:31,666
preservation program.

3168
02:26:31,666 --> 02:26:34,666
The goals of preservation in

3169
02:26:35,637 --> 02:26:36,270
progress are to advance equity

3170
02:26:36,270 --> 02:26:36,938
and preservation, ensure

3171
02:26:36,938 --> 02:26:39,938
the program is equitable and

3172
02:26:40,808 --> 02:26:41,476
fiscally responsible in its

3173
02:26:41,476 --> 02:26:42,176
implementation, identify and

3174
02:26:42,176 --> 02:26:44,176
protect historical properties

3175
02:26:45,980 --> 02:26:46,681
and districts Reform Permit

3176
02:26:46,681 --> 02:26:47,315
processes to better encourage

3177
02:26:47,315 --> 02:26:49,715
adaptive reuse of historic

3178
02:26:50,185 --> 02:26:50,919
buildings on their original

3179
02:26:50,919 --> 02:26:51,486
site and adopt objective design

3180
02:26:51,486 --> 02:26:53,486
standards for historic

3181
02:26:55,156 --> 02:26:55,757
properties and districts and

3182
02:26:55,757 --> 02:26:56,491
remove regulations that

3183
02:26:56,491 --> 02:26:58,491
unnecessarily impact properties

3184
02:27:00,280 --> 02:27:00,796
that lack significance.

3185
02:27:00,796 --> 02:27:03,796
Staff has grouped the updates

3186
02:27:04,320 --> 02:27:04,800
into Package a and Package b in

3187
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:05,500
a package which is before you

3188
02:27:05,500 --> 02:27:06,201
today includes items that are

3189
02:27:06,201 --> 02:27:08,601
not significantly complex and

3190
02:27:09,337 --> 02:27:10,400
that do not involve amendments

3191
02:27:10,400 --> 02:27:10,639
to the historical resources

3192
02:27:10,639 --> 02:27:12,639
regulations or historical

3193
02:27:13,975 --> 02:27:14,677
resources guidelines.

3194
02:27:14,677 --> 02:27:15,376
Package b which we'll be

3195
02:27:15,376 --> 02:27:17,776
developing this year includes

3196
02:27:18,680 --> 02:27:19,348
updates that are more complex

3197
02:27:19,348 --> 02:27:19,981
in nature that do include

3198
02:27:19,981 --> 02:27:20,615
updates to the historical

3199
02:27:20,615 --> 02:27:22,615
resources, regulations and

3200
02:27:23,180 --> 02:27:23,619
guidelines or that require more

3201
02:27:23,619 --> 02:27:25,619
extensive environmental

3202
02:27:27,956 --> 02:27:28,657
analysis.

3203
02:27:28,657 --> 02:27:29,224
The items included today in

3204
02:27:29,224 --> 02:27:29,858
Package eight include

3205
02:27:29,858 --> 02:27:32,258
amendments to the historic

3206
02:27:32,461 --> 02:27:33,950
preservation element and

3207
02:27:33,950 --> 02:27:33,728
appendix f of the city's

3208
02:27:33,728 --> 02:27:36,128
general plan Amendments to

3209
02:27:37,633 --> 02:27:38,267
the Land Development Code of

3210
02:27:38,267 --> 02:27:38,867
the city's Municipal Code

3211
02:27:38,867 --> 02:27:39,601
including amendments to

3212
02:27:39,601 --> 02:27:42,601
the appeal process for historic

3213
02:27:42,638 --> 02:27:43,372
designations, clarifying

3214
02:27:43,372 --> 02:27:44,730
amendments to the applicability

3215
02:27:44,730 --> 02:27:46,473
of complete community housing

3216
02:27:47,509 --> 02:27:48,242
solutions and emerging and

3217
02:27:48,242 --> 02:27:48,978
thematic historic districts and

3218
02:27:48,978 --> 02:27:51,978
other cleanup items and updates

3219
02:27:52,414 --> 02:27:53,115
to the city's historic

3220
02:27:53,115 --> 02:27:53,816
Preservation Fund to focus on

3221
02:27:53,816 --> 02:27:56,816
the advancement of equity and

3222
02:27:57,285 --> 02:27:58,200
historic preservation.

3223
02:27:58,200 --> 02:27:58,687
Looking first at the amendments

3224
02:27:58,687 --> 02:28:02,157
to the general plan staff is

3225
02:28:02,157 --> 02:28:02,791
proposing updates to

3226
02:28:02,791 --> 02:28:03,425
the narrative sections of

3227
02:28:03,425 --> 02:28:04,159
the historic preservation

3228
02:28:04,159 --> 02:28:06,995
element that include an updated

3229
02:28:06,995 --> 02:28:07,563
discussion regarding Native

3230
02:28:07,563 --> 02:28:08,297
American resources and

3231
02:28:08,297 --> 02:28:10,697
consultation to incorporate new

3232
02:28:12,368 --> 02:28:12,935
laws that have gone into effect

3233
02:28:12,935 --> 02:28:13,636
since 2008 and updated

3234
02:28:13,636 --> 02:28:16,636
discussion of the San Diego

3235
02:28:17,405 --> 02:28:18,107
Municipal Code requirements to

3236
02:28:18,107 --> 02:28:18,774
remove detailed discussion of

3237
02:28:18,774 --> 02:28:20,774
regulatory requirements and

3238
02:28:21,710 --> 02:28:22,311
permit processing consistent

3239
02:28:22,311 --> 02:28:22,677
with other general plan

3240
02:28:22,677 --> 02:28:23,312
elements.

3241
02:28:23,312 --> 02:28:25,712
Removal of references to

3242
02:28:26,615 --> 02:28:27,316
conservation areas a failed

3243
02:28:27,316 --> 02:28:30,316
concept that was explored with

3244
02:28:30,986 --> 02:28:31,587
the 2008 General Plan and

3245
02:28:31,587 --> 02:28:32,287
the addition of language

3246
02:28:32,287 --> 02:28:32,988
regarding the identification,

3247
02:28:32,988 --> 02:28:34,988
interpretation and celebration

3248
02:28:36,392 --> 02:28:37,920
of buildings in areas that are

3249
02:28:37,920 --> 02:28:37,726
ineligible for designation but

3250
02:28:37,726 --> 02:28:39,726
nevertheless important to

3251
02:28:40,796 --> 02:28:41,464
the community as well as minor

3252
02:28:41,464 --> 02:28:42,163
updates to outdated language

3253
02:28:42,163 --> 02:28:43,599
terminology and the number of

3254
02:28:43,599 --> 02:28:45,999
resources on the city's

3255
02:28:48,904 --> 02:28:49,538
register policy updates within

3256
02:28:49,538 --> 02:28:50,239
the historic preservation

3257
02:28:50,239 --> 02:28:50,873
element include incorporating

3258
02:28:50,873 --> 02:28:52,873
policies regarding tribal

3259
02:28:54,410 --> 02:28:54,910
cultural resources and

3260
02:28:54,910 --> 02:28:55,577
consultation with

3261
02:28:55,577 --> 02:28:58,130
the culmination to have that

3262
02:28:58,130 --> 02:28:58,714
have been included or in recent

3263
02:28:58,714 --> 02:28:59,415
community plan updates removal

3264
02:28:59,415 --> 02:29:02,415
of the concept of conservation

3265
02:29:02,618 --> 02:29:03,319
areas and replacement with

3266
02:29:03,319 --> 02:29:03,886
language regarding celebration

3267
02:29:03,886 --> 02:29:05,886
and interpretation of

3268
02:29:07,857 --> 02:29:08,491
properties that do not meet

3269
02:29:08,491 --> 02:29:09,125
the criteria for historic

3270
02:29:09,125 --> 02:29:11,125
designation Ensuring that

3271
02:29:12,261 --> 02:29:12,995
preservation efforts recognize

3272
02:29:12,995 --> 02:29:13,629
and celebrate the histories of

3273
02:29:13,629 --> 02:29:14,196
all communities including

3274
02:29:14,196 --> 02:29:16,596
groups that have been

3275
02:29:16,933 --> 02:29:17,500
traditionally underrepresented

3276
02:29:17,500 --> 02:29:18,201
in the city's historic

3277
02:29:18,201 --> 02:29:20,201
preservation work encouraging

3278
02:29:21,803 --> 02:29:22,472
the use of objective design

3279
02:29:22,472 --> 02:29:23,172
standards for development on

3280
02:29:23,172 --> 02:29:23,773
sites with historic resources

3281
02:29:23,773 --> 02:29:26,773
and promoting the use of

3282
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:27,677
sustainable materials and

3283
02:29:27,677 --> 02:29:28,277
practices in restoring

3284
02:29:28,277 --> 02:29:28,878
resources and developing

3285
02:29:28,878 --> 02:29:30,878
mitigation strategies to

3286
02:29:34,817 --> 02:29:35,134
address climate change impacts

3287
02:29:35,134 --> 02:29:35,852
.

3288
02:29:35,852 --> 02:29:36,586
Appendix f of the General Plan

3289
02:29:36,586 --> 02:29:39,989
provides a summary of San Diego

3290
02:29:39,989 --> 02:29:40,623
history The City Planning

3291
02:29:40,623 --> 02:29:41,290
Department is currently in

3292
02:29:41,290 --> 02:29:42,250
begun work on a city wide

3293
02:29:42,250 --> 02:29:44,425
historic context statement that

3294
02:29:45,295 --> 02:29:45,962
explores the historical themes

3295
02:29:45,962 --> 02:29:48,962
and events that have shaped

3296
02:29:49,766 --> 02:29:50,533
the city's built environment.

3297
02:29:50,533 --> 02:29:53,469
The context statement will be

3298
02:29:53,469 --> 02:29:54,237
completed in approximately 2 to

3299
02:29:54,237 --> 02:29:54,904
3 years and Appendix f will be

3300
02:29:54,904 --> 02:29:56,904
comprehensively updated when

3301
02:29:57,974 --> 02:29:58,675
that work is complete.

3302
02:29:58,675 --> 02:29:59,342
In the interim staff is

3303
02:29:59,342 --> 02:30:00,760
proposing updates to better

3304
02:30:00,760 --> 02:30:02,476
address tribal cultural history

3305
02:30:03,246 --> 02:30:03,980
as well as the impact of past

3306
02:30:03,980 --> 02:30:04,581
zoning and lending practices on

3307
02:30:04,581 --> 02:30:06,981
segregation and lack of

3308
02:30:07,283 --> 02:30:08,170
infrastructure investment

3309
02:30:08,170 --> 02:30:08,718
including reference to Appendix

3310
02:30:08,718 --> 02:30:09,419
a of the housing element which

3311
02:30:09,419 --> 02:30:11,819
provides a detailed discussion

3312
02:30:14,991 --> 02:30:15,658
of these topics.

3313
02:30:15,658 --> 02:30:16,259
>> Preservation and Progress

3314
02:30:16,259 --> 02:30:16,826
package include several

3315
02:30:16,826 --> 02:30:19,226
amendments to the Land

3316
02:30:19,829 --> 02:30:20,496
Development Code of the city's

3317
02:30:20,496 --> 02:30:21,197
Municipal Code in regard to

3318
02:30:21,197 --> 02:30:23,597
the Historical Resources Board

3319
02:30:24,868 --> 02:30:25,567
appointments in terms

3320
02:30:25,567 --> 02:30:26,335
the deadline for the mayor to

3321
02:30:26,335 --> 02:30:28,705
appoint a chair to the hrp will

3322
02:30:28,705 --> 02:30:29,439
be extended from APRIL 15th to

3323
02:30:29,439 --> 02:30:32,808
APRIL 30th 30th to better align

3324
02:30:32,808 --> 02:30:33,343
with Historical Resources Board

3325
02:30:33,343 --> 02:30:33,943
Docketing timelines.

3326
02:30:33,943 --> 02:30:34,577
>> Additionally staff is

3327
02:30:34,577 --> 02:30:36,977
proposing to incorporate a

3328
02:30:37,881 --> 02:30:38,548
degree of flexibility to

3329
02:30:38,548 --> 02:30:39,215
the appointment of technical

3330
02:30:39,215 --> 02:30:41,615
experts and professionals to

3331
02:30:42,786 --> 02:30:43,860
the Historical Resources Board

3332
02:30:43,860 --> 02:30:43,853
.

3333
02:30:43,853 --> 02:30:44,454
Five of the 11 board seats are

3334
02:30:44,454 --> 02:30:47,257
required to be filled by

3335
02:30:47,257 --> 02:30:47,891
technical experts in the field

3336
02:30:47,891 --> 02:30:48,558
of architecture, landscape

3337
02:30:48,558 --> 02:30:50,558
architecture, architectural

3338
02:30:51,695 --> 02:30:52,950
history, history and

3339
02:30:52,950 --> 02:30:52,696
archeology.

3340
02:30:52,696 --> 02:30:53,397
If one of those seats is

3341
02:30:53,397 --> 02:30:56,600
vacant, the board is unable to

3342
02:30:56,600 --> 02:30:57,100
carry out its duties under

3343
02:30:57,100 --> 02:30:57,766
the code.

3344
02:30:57,766 --> 02:31:00,166
The proposed amendments add

3345
02:31:00,303 --> 02:31:01,203
that if a qualified volunteer

3346
02:31:01,203 --> 02:31:01,872
cannot be found to fill one of

3347
02:31:01,872 --> 02:31:04,272
the five professional seats,

3348
02:31:04,274 --> 02:31:05,700
that seat MAY be filled by a

3349
02:31:05,700 --> 02:31:05,709
second professional from one of

3350
02:31:05,709 --> 02:31:08,109
the other preservation related

3351
02:31:08,945 --> 02:31:09,679
disciplines with no more than

3352
02:31:09,679 --> 02:31:10,346
two professionals from the same

3353
02:31:10,346 --> 02:31:13,946
field on the board in those

3354
02:31:14,518 --> 02:31:15,185
professional seats.

3355
02:31:15,185 --> 02:31:15,785
While the city will always

3356
02:31:15,785 --> 02:31:16,453
endeavor to have each of

3357
02:31:16,453 --> 02:31:18,853
the five professional seats

3358
02:31:19,122 --> 02:31:19,723
filled by their respective

3359
02:31:19,723 --> 02:31:20,390
technical experts, this

3360
02:31:20,390 --> 02:31:22,790
amendment will provide much

3361
02:31:23,526 --> 02:31:24,194
needed flexibility in the event

3362
02:31:24,194 --> 02:31:24,995
that a qualified volunteer

3363
02:31:24,995 --> 02:31:28,498
cannot be found when a vacancy

3364
02:31:28,498 --> 02:31:29,233
arises.

3365
02:31:29,233 --> 02:31:29,833
>> Amendments are proposed

3366
02:31:29,833 --> 02:31:32,233
related to noticing and

3367
02:31:33,700 --> 02:31:33,803
the time limit for review by

3368
02:31:33,803 --> 02:31:34,504
the Historical Resources Board.

3369
02:31:34,504 --> 02:31:35,172
The amendments to noticing or

3370
02:31:35,172 --> 02:31:37,774
cleanup items to align with

3371
02:31:37,774 --> 02:31:38,207
other city noticing

3372
02:31:38,207 --> 02:31:38,909
requirements.

3373
02:31:38,909 --> 02:31:41,909
A clarifying amendment is also

3374
02:31:42,546 --> 02:31:43,247
included to clearly state that

3375
02:31:43,247 --> 02:31:43,947
the 90 day time limit for

3376
02:31:43,947 --> 02:31:46,716
the board's consideration of a

3377
02:31:46,716 --> 02:31:47,417
designation action starts with

3378
02:31:47,417 --> 02:31:51,170
the first hrp meeting in which

3379
02:31:51,121 --> 02:31:51,855
the designation is considered.

3380
02:31:51,855 --> 02:31:52,556
>> Amendments are also proposed

3381
02:31:52,556 --> 02:31:55,556
related to appeals of historic

3382
02:31:56,727 --> 02:31:57,427
designations by the Historical

3383
02:31:57,427 --> 02:31:58,128
Resources Board a decision by

3384
02:31:58,128 --> 02:31:58,762
the Historical Resources Board

3385
02:31:58,762 --> 02:32:01,162
to designate a historical

3386
02:32:01,764 --> 02:32:02,332
resource can be appealed to

3387
02:32:02,332 --> 02:32:03,330
the City Council when

3388
02:32:03,330 --> 02:32:03,400
the current appeal process was

3389
02:32:03,400 --> 02:32:05,400
developed.

3390
02:32:06,270 --> 02:32:06,970
The city Council at that time

3391
02:32:06,970 --> 02:32:07,671
opted to defer the question of

3392
02:32:07,671 --> 02:32:10,710
significance to the Historical

3393
02:32:11,700 --> 02:32:11,675
Resources Board and retained

3394
02:32:11,675 --> 02:32:12,209
more limited oversight over

3395
02:32:12,209 --> 02:32:14,209
designation actions.

3396
02:32:15,679 --> 02:32:16,347
As a result, the City Council

3397
02:32:16,347 --> 02:32:16,913
currently MAY only grant an

3398
02:32:16,913 --> 02:32:17,514
appeal and overturn a

3399
02:32:17,514 --> 02:32:19,914
designation if there are

3400
02:32:20,483 --> 02:32:21,850
factual errors in materials or

3401
02:32:21,850 --> 02:32:21,452
information presented to

3402
02:32:21,452 --> 02:32:22,186
the board.

3403
02:32:22,186 --> 02:32:25,186
Violations of bylaws or hearing

3404
02:32:25,688 --> 02:32:26,423
procedures or new information

3405
02:32:26,423 --> 02:32:30,230
that speaks to why the resource

3406
02:32:30,327 --> 02:32:30,861
is not significant In recent

3407
02:32:30,861 --> 02:32:31,527
years.

3408
02:32:31,527 --> 02:32:32,263
The current city Council has

3409
02:32:32,263 --> 02:32:32,963
expressed interest in expanding

3410
02:32:32,963 --> 02:32:35,164
their oversight of the appeal

3411
02:32:35,164 --> 02:32:35,933
process to include

3412
02:32:35,933 --> 02:32:36,467
reconsideration of the historic

3413
02:32:36,467 --> 02:32:38,467
designation itself.

3414
02:32:39,303 --> 02:32:40,300
The amendments will add a

3415
02:32:40,300 --> 02:32:40,638
fourth finding of findings not

3416
02:32:40,638 --> 02:32:41,204
supported consistent with

3417
02:32:41,204 --> 02:32:43,604
the appeal process for

3418
02:32:44,375 --> 02:32:45,800
development permits.

3419
02:32:45,800 --> 02:32:45,576
This would allow the City

3420
02:32:45,576 --> 02:32:46,209
Council to reconsider

3421
02:32:46,209 --> 02:32:48,609
the designation itself by

3422
02:32:49,679 --> 02:32:50,381
looking at the information that

3423
02:32:50,381 --> 02:32:51,114
was presented to the historic

3424
02:32:51,114 --> 02:32:53,514
Historical Resources Board when

3425
02:32:53,817 --> 02:32:54,518
they considered designation and

3426
02:32:54,518 --> 02:32:55,152
adopted findings to designate

3427
02:32:55,152 --> 02:32:57,552
the property and determine

3428
02:32:58,322 --> 02:32:58,823
whether the board's findings

3429
02:32:58,823 --> 02:32:59,523
are supported by

3430
02:32:59,523 --> 02:33:00,157
the information in the record

3431
02:33:00,157 --> 02:33:03,157
Before moving on from this

3432
02:33:04,280 --> 02:33:04,595
amendment, I did want to note

3433
02:33:04,595 --> 02:33:05,329
that when the proposed

3434
02:33:05,329 --> 02:33:05,863
amendments were first presented

3435
02:33:05,863 --> 02:33:07,863
at public meetings,

3436
02:33:08,833 --> 02:33:09,433
the amendments included adding

3437
02:33:09,433 --> 02:33:12,433
the ability to appeal to

3438
02:33:12,736 --> 02:33:13,437
the Historical Resources Board

3439
02:33:13,437 --> 02:33:14,204
does not designate a property

3440
02:33:14,204 --> 02:33:17,204
which cannot be appealed or

3441
02:33:17,708 --> 02:33:18,376
under the current regulations.

3442
02:33:18,376 --> 02:33:19,760
The Policy Subcommittee of

3443
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:21,476
the Historical Resources Board

3444
02:33:22,513 --> 02:33:23,180
recommend that the new ability

3445
02:33:23,180 --> 02:33:23,881
to appeal when a property is

3446
02:33:23,881 --> 02:33:26,881
not designated be limited to

3447
02:33:27,451 --> 02:33:28,190
the property owner which was

3448
02:33:28,190 --> 02:33:28,753
what was presented to

3449
02:33:28,753 --> 02:33:31,153
the Historical Resources Board.

3450
02:33:32,423 --> 02:33:33,900
This raised concerns related to

3451
02:33:33,900 --> 02:33:33,825
due process and consistency

3452
02:33:33,825 --> 02:33:36,825
with other appeal processes and

3453
02:33:37,495 --> 02:33:38,162
so ultimately adding

3454
02:33:38,162 --> 02:33:38,863
the ability to appeal when a

3455
02:33:38,863 --> 02:33:41,863
property is not designated has

3456
02:33:42,233 --> 02:33:42,900
been removed from preservation

3457
02:33:42,900 --> 02:33:45,900
and progress package a which

3458
02:33:46,471 --> 02:33:47,238
will retain the status quo in

3459
02:33:47,238 --> 02:33:50,238
regard to board decisions to

3460
02:33:51,608 --> 02:33:52,276
not designate additional more

3461
02:33:52,276 --> 02:33:52,809
minor amendments related to

3462
02:33:52,809 --> 02:33:54,809
appeals of historic

3463
02:33:56,381 --> 02:33:57,115
designations include aligning

3464
02:33:57,115 --> 02:33:57,815
appeal filing requirements with

3465
02:33:57,815 --> 02:34:00,815
other city appeal processes as

3466
02:34:01,453 --> 02:34:02,120
well as adding a deadline to

3467
02:34:02,120 --> 02:34:02,754
docket the appeal within 180

3468
02:34:02,754 --> 02:34:05,754
days of the appeal filing.

3469
02:34:06,391 --> 02:34:07,910
Currently there is no deadline

3470
02:34:07,910 --> 02:34:07,792
and appeals remain pending for

3471
02:34:07,792 --> 02:34:10,792
years when the property owner

3472
02:34:11,562 --> 02:34:12,300
does not wish to proceed to an

3473
02:34:12,300 --> 02:34:12,697
appeal hearing.

3474
02:34:12,697 --> 02:34:13,398
This amendment would require

3475
02:34:13,398 --> 02:34:15,233
the issue of significance and

3476
02:34:15,233 --> 02:34:15,933
designation to be settled and

3477
02:34:15,933 --> 02:34:18,333
finalized within a reasonable

3478
02:34:20,538 --> 02:34:21,238
time frame.

3479
02:34:21,238 --> 02:34:23,638
>> Amendments are proposed to

3480
02:34:23,975 --> 02:34:24,743
San Diego Municipal Code

3481
02:34:24,743 --> 02:34:25,443
section 1 to 3.0206 That will

3482
02:34:25,443 --> 02:34:29,130
clarify the role of the board

3483
02:34:29,130 --> 02:34:29,681
and the city Council in

3484
02:34:29,681 --> 02:34:30,348
reviewing National Register

3485
02:34:30,348 --> 02:34:30,915
nominations consistent with

3486
02:34:30,915 --> 02:34:32,915
the National Historic

3487
02:34:33,551 --> 02:34:34,285
Preservation Act and the city's

3488
02:34:34,285 --> 02:34:36,685
responsibilities as a certified

3489
02:34:38,523 --> 02:34:39,289
local government.

3490
02:34:39,289 --> 02:34:39,991
>> The Last Land Development

3491
02:34:39,991 --> 02:34:40,625
Code Amendment is a clarifying

3492
02:34:40,625 --> 02:34:43,250
amendment to the Complete

3493
02:34:43,610 --> 02:34:43,761
Communities Housing Solutions

3494
02:34:43,761 --> 02:34:44,429
regulations which will clarify

3495
02:34:44,429 --> 02:34:46,829
that complete communities is

3496
02:34:47,732 --> 02:34:48,400
allowed within thematic and

3497
02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:49,000
emerging historic districts.

3498
02:34:49,000 --> 02:34:49,601
If the property is not a

3499
02:34:49,601 --> 02:34:51,601
designated contributing

3500
02:34:53,371 --> 02:34:54,500
resource there's currently one

3501
02:34:54,500 --> 02:34:56,500
dramatic historic district

3502
02:34:57,375 --> 02:34:57,976
the Chinese I eight Chinese

3503
02:34:57,976 --> 02:34:59,976
Asian dramatic historic

3504
02:35:01,113 --> 02:35:01,780
district downtown and one

3505
02:35:01,780 --> 02:35:02,380
emerging historical district

3506
02:35:02,380 --> 02:35:04,780
the Ocean Beach Cottage

3507
02:35:05,517 --> 02:35:05,884
Emerging Historical District in

3508
02:35:05,884 --> 02:35:06,484
the city.

3509
02:35:06,484 --> 02:35:07,284
This does not change how

3510
02:35:07,284 --> 02:35:10,284
thematic and historic I'm sorry

3511
02:35:10,488 --> 02:35:11,123
thematic and emerging

3512
02:35:11,123 --> 02:35:11,723
historical districts have

3513
02:35:11,723 --> 02:35:12,457
always been regulated by

3514
02:35:12,457 --> 02:35:15,427
the city and is consistent with

3515
02:35:15,427 --> 02:35:16,127
the city's historical district

3516
02:35:16,127 --> 02:35:16,695
procedures which clearly state

3517
02:35:16,695 --> 02:35:18,695
that only contributing

3518
02:35:19,831 --> 02:35:20,532
resources are regulated.

3519
02:35:20,532 --> 02:35:22,532
>> a traditional historic

3520
02:35:25,360 --> 02:35:25,770
district has a more compact

3521
02:35:25,770 --> 02:35:26,471
geographic boundary with a high

3522
02:35:26,471 --> 02:35:28,471
concentration of contributing

3523
02:35:30,108 --> 02:35:30,842
resources that embody why

3524
02:35:30,842 --> 02:35:31,576
the district is significant and

3525
02:35:31,576 --> 02:35:34,479
a low concentration of resource

3526
02:35:34,479 --> 02:35:35,460
non contributing resources

3527
02:35:35,460 --> 02:35:35,713
which do not embodies

3528
02:35:35,713 --> 02:35:37,713
the district's significance.

3529
02:35:39,217 --> 02:35:39,918
All properties within a

3530
02:35:39,918 --> 02:35:40,485
traditional historic district

3531
02:35:40,485 --> 02:35:42,485
boundary are therefore

3532
02:35:43,821 --> 02:35:44,623
regulated to different degrees

3533
02:35:44,623 --> 02:35:45,156
to preserve the sense of place

3534
02:35:45,156 --> 02:35:45,724
and significance of

3535
02:35:45,724 --> 02:35:47,724
the historic district.

3536
02:35:49,294 --> 02:35:49,995
The two maps on the screen show

3537
02:35:49,995 --> 02:35:50,662
two of the city's traditional

3538
02:35:50,662 --> 02:35:52,662
historical districts Sherman

3539
02:35:53,765 --> 02:35:54,466
Heights and the South Eastern

3540
02:35:54,466 --> 02:35:55,166
Community Planning area shown

3541
02:35:55,166 --> 02:35:58,360
on the left and South Park in

3542
02:35:58,360 --> 02:35:58,804
the greater Golden Hill

3543
02:35:58,804 --> 02:35:59,170
planning area as shown on

3544
02:35:59,170 --> 02:35:59,838
the right.

3545
02:35:59,838 --> 02:36:02,641
Both of these districts have

3546
02:36:02,641 --> 02:36:03,242
tightly defined geographic

3547
02:36:03,242 --> 02:36:03,942
boundaries and a high

3548
02:36:03,942 --> 02:36:04,642
concentration of contributing

3549
02:36:04,642 --> 02:36:07,579
resources indicated on the map

3550
02:36:07,579 --> 02:36:10,579
with pink dots In Sherman

3551
02:36:11,350 --> 02:36:12,490
Heights 70 per 74% of the 529

3552
02:36:12,490 --> 02:36:14,449
properties within the district

3553
02:36:16,221 --> 02:36:18,621
boundary are contributing And

3554
02:36:19,725 --> 02:36:20,425
in South Park 73% of the 407

3555
02:36:20,425 --> 02:36:20,992
properties within the district

3556
02:36:20,992 --> 02:36:22,992
boundary boundary are

3557
02:36:24,429 --> 02:36:25,130
contributing all properties

3558
02:36:25,130 --> 02:36:25,831
within the boundaries that

3559
02:36:25,831 --> 02:36:26,432
these districts are regulated

3560
02:36:26,432 --> 02:36:28,832
to different degrees to

3561
02:36:29,134 --> 02:36:29,835
preserve the historic nature of

3562
02:36:29,835 --> 02:36:30,302
the district and the distinct

3563
02:36:30,302 --> 02:36:31,360
sense of place.

3564
02:36:31,360 --> 02:36:34,360
The Matic and emerging historic

3565
02:36:34,540 --> 02:36:35,274
districts are different from

3566
02:36:35,274 --> 02:36:35,941
traditional historic districts.

3567
02:36:35,941 --> 02:36:38,941
Their boundaries can be much

3568
02:36:39,578 --> 02:36:40,244
larger and they only have

3569
02:36:40,244 --> 02:36:40,946
contributing meet resources

3570
02:36:40,946 --> 02:36:41,480
that meet the theme and convey

3571
02:36:41,480 --> 02:36:41,914
the significance of

3572
02:36:41,914 --> 02:36:43,914
the district.

3573
02:36:44,516 --> 02:36:45,217
If a property within

3574
02:36:45,217 --> 02:36:45,951
the boundary of a thematic or

3575
02:36:45,951 --> 02:36:48,351
emerging historical district is

3576
02:36:49,188 --> 02:36:49,788
not designated as a

3577
02:36:49,788 --> 02:36:50,389
contributing resource to

3578
02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:50,756
the district, it is not

3579
02:36:50,756 --> 02:36:52,756
regulated.

3580
02:36:53,459 --> 02:36:54,126
Looking at the Ocean Beach

3581
02:36:54,126 --> 02:36:54,693
Cottage emerging Historical

3582
02:36:54,693 --> 02:36:56,693
district specifically

3583
02:36:58,230 --> 02:36:58,964
the boundary shown here in

3584
02:36:58,964 --> 02:36:59,632
Orange encompasses the original

3585
02:36:59,632 --> 02:37:02,320
Ocean Beach subdivision and

3586
02:37:02,668 --> 02:37:05,668
represents the area in which

3587
02:37:06,338 --> 02:37:07,500
eligible beach cottages

3588
02:37:07,500 --> 02:37:07,506
constructed between 1887 and

3589
02:37:07,506 --> 02:37:09,506
1931 can be found.

3590
02:37:10,542 --> 02:37:11,210
The area encompasses

3591
02:37:11,210 --> 02:37:13,210
approximately 3000 parcels.

3592
02:37:14,814 --> 02:37:15,381
Only 72 of those parcels about

3593
02:37:15,381 --> 02:37:16,150
2.4% are designated as

3594
02:37:16,150 --> 02:37:18,150
contributing resources to

3595
02:37:19,418 --> 02:37:20,153
the district.

3596
02:37:20,153 --> 02:37:20,820
The remaining 2900 plus parcels

3597
02:37:20,820 --> 02:37:23,820
have never been regulated as

3598
02:37:24,890 --> 02:37:24,790
part of the district.

3599
02:37:24,790 --> 02:37:25,458
Since its designation in 2000

3600
02:37:25,458 --> 02:37:27,858
and the proposed amendments

3601
02:37:29,527 --> 02:37:30,262
would clarify that complete

3602
02:37:30,262 --> 02:37:30,963
community housing solutions can

3603
02:37:30,963 --> 02:37:33,733
be utilized on those parcels.

3604
02:37:33,733 --> 02:37:34,333
The historic district will

3605
02:37:34,333 --> 02:37:35,100
remain in place and

3606
02:37:35,100 --> 02:37:35,701
the designated contributing

3607
02:37:35,701 --> 02:37:36,435
resources will continue to be

3608
02:37:36,435 --> 02:37:39,435
regulated as they always have

3609
02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:41,941
been.

3610
02:37:41,941 --> 02:37:42,607
>> Looking at the Ocean Beach

3611
02:37:42,607 --> 02:37:43,309
Cottage Emerging Historical

3612
02:37:43,309 --> 02:37:45,709
District which is thematically

3613
02:37:46,746 --> 02:37:47,445
based compared to a traditional

3614
02:37:47,445 --> 02:37:48,114
historical district like South

3615
02:37:48,114 --> 02:37:51,714
Park you can see the vastly

3616
02:37:51,751 --> 02:37:52,451
different concentration of

3617
02:37:52,451 --> 02:37:53,186
contributing resources and why

3618
02:37:53,186 --> 02:37:55,586
only contributing resources are

3619
02:37:56,189 --> 02:37:56,856
regulated as part of a

3620
02:37:56,856 --> 02:37:57,590
thematically based district

3621
02:37:57,590 --> 02:38:01,600
such as the Ocean Beach Cottage

3622
02:38:01,600 --> 02:38:01,827
Emerging historical District.

3623
02:38:01,827 --> 02:38:04,827
>> This is explicitly stated in

3624
02:38:04,930 --> 02:38:05,565
the Historical Resources Board

3625
02:38:05,565 --> 02:38:06,299
procedure on establishing

3626
02:38:06,299 --> 02:38:06,966
historic districts which states

3627
02:38:06,966 --> 02:38:10,336
in regard to the Ocean Beach

3628
02:38:10,336 --> 02:38:10,969
Cottage emerging historic

3629
02:38:10,969 --> 02:38:11,570
district quote only those

3630
02:38:11,570 --> 02:38:13,570
properties identified in

3631
02:38:15,308 --> 02:38:16,800
designated as contributors are

3632
02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:16,709
currently regulated and quote

3633
02:38:16,709 --> 02:38:19,109
additionally to be designated

3634
02:38:20,479 --> 02:38:21,800
as a contributing resource to

3635
02:38:21,800 --> 02:38:21,781
the Ocean Beach Cottage

3636
02:38:21,781 --> 02:38:22,982
Emerging Historical District a

3637
02:38:22,982 --> 02:38:23,683
property must be volunteered by

3638
02:38:23,683 --> 02:38:26,830
the property owner for

3639
02:38:28,321 --> 02:38:29,550
designation.

3640
02:38:29,550 --> 02:38:29,655
>> The proposed amendment to

3641
02:38:29,655 --> 02:38:30,356
the Complete Community's

3642
02:38:30,356 --> 02:38:32,356
Housing Solutions regulations

3643
02:38:33,493 --> 02:38:34,227
which cannot be used within

3644
02:38:34,227 --> 02:38:34,761
designated historical districts

3645
02:38:34,761 --> 02:38:37,161
in order to preserve

3646
02:38:38,331 --> 02:38:39,310
the concentrated collective

3647
02:38:39,310 --> 02:38:39,599
significance of a traditional

3648
02:38:39,599 --> 02:38:40,166
historic district is a

3649
02:38:40,166 --> 02:38:42,166
clarifying amendment.

3650
02:38:43,136 --> 02:38:43,803
The prohibition was never

3651
02:38:43,803 --> 02:38:44,404
intended to entire apply to

3652
02:38:44,404 --> 02:38:47,404
the entire boundary of a

3653
02:38:47,440 --> 02:38:48,141
thematic or emerging historical

3654
02:38:48,141 --> 02:38:48,875
district where the district is

3655
02:38:48,875 --> 02:38:51,275
just the contributing resources

3656
02:38:52,578 --> 02:38:53,246
and nothing else.

3657
02:38:53,246 --> 02:38:53,880
This does not impact how

3658
02:38:53,880 --> 02:38:54,514
the contributing resources

3659
02:38:54,514 --> 02:38:56,914
within these districts are

3660
02:38:57,160 --> 02:38:57,751
regulated or how staff has

3661
02:38:57,751 --> 02:38:58,385
always applied the regulations.

3662
02:38:58,385 --> 02:39:00,385
Complete community housing

3663
02:39:01,521 --> 02:39:02,155
solutions will continue to be

3664
02:39:02,155 --> 02:39:02,856
prohibited on contributing

3665
02:39:02,856 --> 02:39:05,256
properties within emerging and

3666
02:39:06,326 --> 02:39:06,960
historic thematic historic

3667
02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:07,560
districts and permitted on

3668
02:39:07,560 --> 02:39:08,361
properties that are not

3669
02:39:08,361 --> 02:39:10,361
designated as contributing

3670
02:39:13,766 --> 02:39:14,434
resources.

3671
02:39:14,434 --> 02:39:15,680
>> The last item in

3672
02:39:15,680 --> 02:39:15,669
Preservation and Progress

3673
02:39:15,669 --> 02:39:16,203
Package a is a change to

3674
02:39:16,203 --> 02:39:18,203
the city's historic

3675
02:39:18,939 --> 02:39:19,673
preservation Fund which

3676
02:39:19,673 --> 02:39:20,406
primarily receives revenue from

3677
02:39:20,406 --> 02:39:20,974
civil penalties and enforcement

3678
02:39:20,974 --> 02:39:22,974
fees from unpermitted

3679
02:39:24,440 --> 02:39:24,411
alteration of historical

3680
02:39:24,411 --> 02:39:24,945
resources.

3681
02:39:24,945 --> 02:39:26,945
There are presently

3682
02:39:28,348 --> 02:39:28,715
approximately 100 $100,000 in

3683
02:39:28,715 --> 02:39:29,349
the fund.

3684
02:39:29,349 --> 02:39:31,749
The proposed changes would

3685
02:39:32,552 --> 02:39:33,220
focus defined expenditures on

3686
02:39:33,220 --> 02:39:33,920
work that advances equity in

3687
02:39:33,920 --> 02:39:34,587
historic preservation such as

3688
02:39:34,587 --> 02:39:36,987
funding efforts that support

3689
02:39:37,924 --> 02:39:38,558
the identification sation and

3690
02:39:38,558 --> 02:39:39,125
preservation of resources

3691
02:39:39,125 --> 02:39:39,759
significant for their

3692
02:39:39,759 --> 02:39:41,759
association with cultural

3693
02:39:42,963 --> 02:39:43,630
groups and communities that are

3694
02:39:43,630 --> 02:39:44,331
underrepresented in historic

3695
02:39:44,331 --> 02:39:47,167
preservation as well as direct

3696
02:39:47,167 --> 02:39:47,868
financial assistance to very

3697
02:39:47,868 --> 02:39:48,567
low and low income owners of

3698
02:39:48,567 --> 02:39:49,102
historic properties to assist

3699
02:39:49,102 --> 02:39:51,102
with maintenance and

3700
02:39:54,241 --> 02:39:54,907
restoration.

3701
02:39:54,907 --> 02:39:55,608
>> Preservation and Progress

3702
02:39:55,608 --> 02:39:56,109
package was presented at three

3703
02:39:56,109 --> 02:39:58,109
public meetings of

3704
02:39:59,312 --> 02:40:00,130
the Historical Resources

3705
02:40:00,130 --> 02:40:02,413
Board's Policy Subcommittee in

3706
02:40:02,916 --> 02:40:03,216
JULY, AUGUST and OCTOBER of

3707
02:40:03,216 --> 02:40:05,216
2025.

3708
02:40:06,553 --> 02:40:07,254
Staff also held Virtual Public

3709
02:40:07,254 --> 02:40:07,955
Workshop on OCTOBER 8th, 2025

3710
02:40:07,955 --> 02:40:08,522
where all items were presented

3711
02:40:08,522 --> 02:40:10,922
and staff responded to

3712
02:40:14,461 --> 02:40:15,280
questions and feedback.

3713
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:15,729
>> On OCTOBER 23rd

3714
02:40:15,729 --> 02:40:18,129
the Historical Resources Board

3715
02:40:19,132 --> 02:40:19,833
considered the item a motion to

3716
02:40:19,833 --> 02:40:22,233
recommend adoption of package

3717
02:40:23,804 --> 02:40:24,505
as presented which at that time

3718
02:40:24,505 --> 02:40:25,239
included the added ability for

3719
02:40:25,239 --> 02:40:28,839
a property owner to appeal when

3720
02:40:29,143 --> 02:40:29,910
a property is not designated by

3721
02:40:29,910 --> 02:40:32,780
the board failed with a vote of

3722
02:40:32,780 --> 02:40:33,480
four in favor and six opposed a

3723
02:40:33,480 --> 02:40:36,480
follow up motion to recommend

3724
02:40:37,418 --> 02:40:38,251
adoption of package a subject

3725
02:40:38,251 --> 02:40:38,919
to removal of the added ability

3726
02:40:38,919 --> 02:40:42,519
to appeal when a property is

3727
02:40:42,956 --> 02:40:43,390
not designated and a request to

3728
02:40:43,390 --> 02:40:43,957
do just that.

3729
02:40:43,957 --> 02:40:44,691
A discussion regarding

3730
02:40:44,691 --> 02:40:46,894
the number of votes required to

3731
02:40:46,894 --> 02:40:47,494
designate a resource be

3732
02:40:47,494 --> 02:40:48,195
included in preservation

3733
02:40:48,195 --> 02:40:51,195
progress Package b also failed

3734
02:40:51,531 --> 02:40:52,166
with a with a vote of five in

3735
02:40:52,166 --> 02:40:52,608
favor for opposed and one

3736
02:40:52,608 --> 02:40:53,167
abstention.

3737
02:40:53,167 --> 02:40:55,567
There were no additional

3738
02:40:56,604 --> 02:40:57,304
motions and the Board's

3739
02:40:57,304 --> 02:40:58,380
consideration of Preservation

3740
02:40:58,380 --> 02:41:01,380
in progress package a concluded

3741
02:41:01,308 --> 02:41:01,909
without a recommendation.

3742
02:41:01,909 --> 02:41:04,909
The two primary areas of

3743
02:41:06,460 --> 02:41:06,747
discussion for the historical

3744
02:41:06,747 --> 02:41:07,415
Resources Board were the added

3745
02:41:07,415 --> 02:41:10,415
ability to appeal when a

3746
02:41:11,585 --> 02:41:12,319
property is not designated and

3747
02:41:12,319 --> 02:41:15,319
the fourth appeal finding being

3748
02:41:16,524 --> 02:41:17,191
added to the appeal process.

3749
02:41:17,191 --> 02:41:17,925
In the first case there was

3750
02:41:17,925 --> 02:41:20,925
disagreement over who should be

3751
02:41:21,940 --> 02:41:21,595
able to appeal when a property

3752
02:41:21,595 --> 02:41:22,229
is not designated.

3753
02:41:22,229 --> 02:41:25,599
And as to the added appeal

3754
02:41:25,599 --> 02:41:26,300
finding there was concern from

3755
02:41:26,300 --> 02:41:29,300
some board members that adding

3756
02:41:30,438 --> 02:41:31,138
that finding would dilute

3757
02:41:31,138 --> 02:41:33,538
the subject matter expertise

3758
02:41:35,476 --> 02:41:36,177
that the historical Resources

3759
02:41:36,177 --> 02:41:38,577
Board provides on considering

3760
02:41:40,246 --> 02:41:40,614
historic designations of those

3761
02:41:40,614 --> 02:41:42,614
two items.

3762
02:41:44,885 --> 02:41:45,653
The first item the ability to

3763
02:41:45,653 --> 02:41:46,354
add when a property be able to

3764
02:41:46,354 --> 02:41:49,657
appeal when a property is not

3765
02:41:49,657 --> 02:41:50,324
designated has been removed

3766
02:41:50,324 --> 02:41:50,958
from the package that is no

3767
02:41:50,958 --> 02:41:53,358
longer included and adding

3768
02:41:54,161 --> 02:41:54,896
the fourth appeal finding is

3769
02:41:54,896 --> 02:41:58,496
still before the council and is

3770
02:41:58,699 --> 02:41:59,332
the policy decision as to which

3771
02:41:59,332 --> 02:42:01,332
council would prefer

3772
02:42:02,537 --> 02:42:03,237
the current appeal process or

3773
02:42:03,237 --> 02:42:03,538
the proposed fourth finding as

3774
02:42:03,538 --> 02:42:04,380
well.

3775
02:42:04,380 --> 02:42:04,605
>> On OCTOBER 28th

3776
02:42:04,605 --> 02:42:06,605
the Community Partners

3777
02:42:08,276 --> 02:42:08,976
Committee voted 28 to 0 two

3778
02:42:08,976 --> 02:42:09,544
zero to oppose preservation in

3779
02:42:09,544 --> 02:42:11,944
progress Package a and

3780
02:42:12,413 --> 02:42:13,114
recommend that the proposed

3781
02:42:13,114 --> 02:42:13,714
findings not supported appeal

3782
02:42:13,714 --> 02:42:16,114
finding be removed that

3783
02:42:16,818 --> 02:42:17,518
the voting requirements for

3784
02:42:17,518 --> 02:42:18,252
the Historical Resources Board

3785
02:42:18,252 --> 02:42:18,920
be changed to a simple majority

3786
02:42:18,920 --> 02:42:21,920
of board members present to

3787
02:42:22,590 --> 02:42:23,291
designate and that the ability

3788
02:42:23,291 --> 02:42:23,858
to appeal historical resources

3789
02:42:23,858 --> 02:42:26,258
board decisions to not

3790
02:42:27,610 --> 02:42:27,595
designate a property be added

3791
02:42:27,595 --> 02:42:29,995
back into package a.

3792
02:42:31,320 --> 02:42:31,732
Lastly, on NOVEMBER 6th

3793
02:42:31,732 --> 02:42:32,332
the Planning Commission voted

3794
02:42:32,332 --> 02:42:33,000
unanimously to recommend

3795
02:42:33,000 --> 02:42:35,400
approval of Preservation and

3796
02:42:35,569 --> 02:42:36,169
Progress Package a as presented

3797
02:42:36,169 --> 02:42:36,904
The Land Use and Housing

3798
02:42:36,904 --> 02:42:38,904
Committee reviewed Preservation

3799
02:42:40,241 --> 02:42:40,775
and Progress package on JANUARY

3800
02:42:40,775 --> 02:42:41,375
15th and unanimously

3801
02:42:41,375 --> 02:42:43,375
unanimously recommended

3802
02:42:44,846 --> 02:42:45,747
approval with a recommendation

3803
02:42:45,747 --> 02:42:46,381
to report on the use of the new

3804
02:42:46,381 --> 02:42:47,150
appeal finding As part of

3805
02:42:47,150 --> 02:42:49,415
the Board's annual written

3806
02:42:50,418 --> 02:42:51,520
reports the Council the City of

3807
02:42:51,520 --> 02:42:54,520
San Diego joins the other

3808
02:42:55,356 --> 02:42:56,570
largest cities in the nation

3809
02:42:56,570 --> 02:42:56,658
and being a certified local

3810
02:42:56,658 --> 02:42:57,192
government meaning that

3811
02:42:57,192 --> 02:42:57,892
the city's historic

3812
02:42:57,892 --> 02:43:00,292
preservation program has been

3813
02:43:00,695 --> 02:43:01,296
certified by the California

3814
02:43:01,296 --> 02:43:01,996
State Office of Historic

3815
02:43:01,996 --> 02:43:04,396
Preservation and the National

3816
02:43:04,566 --> 02:43:05,133
Park Service to pursuant to

3817
02:43:05,133 --> 02:43:05,866
the National Historic

3818
02:43:05,866 --> 02:43:06,468
Preservation Act as a certified

3819
02:43:06,468 --> 02:43:08,868
local government we are

3820
02:43:09,871 --> 02:43:10,405
required to submit changes to

3821
02:43:10,405 --> 02:43:11,390
the city's historic

3822
02:43:11,390 --> 02:43:13,390
Preservation Ordinance to

3823
02:43:14,409 --> 02:43:14,976
the California State Office of

3824
02:43:14,976 --> 02:43:15,609
Historic Preservation.

3825
02:43:15,609 --> 02:43:16,344
On OCTOBER 23rd the state

3826
02:43:16,344 --> 02:43:19,470
office confirmed that they have

3827
02:43:19,470 --> 02:43:19,814
no objections to the proposed

3828
02:43:19,814 --> 02:43:22,814
changes and supports the city's

3829
02:43:24,520 --> 02:43:24,653
efforts.

3830
02:43:24,653 --> 02:43:25,286
>> Therefore staff is

3831
02:43:25,286 --> 02:43:25,753
recommending that the City

3832
02:43:25,753 --> 02:43:27,753
Council approved

3833
02:43:28,823 --> 02:43:29,524
the resolutions and ordinances

3834
02:43:29,524 --> 02:43:30,580
for Preservation and Progress

3835
02:43:30,580 --> 02:43:30,659
Package a including

3836
02:43:30,659 --> 02:43:31,360
the resolution adopting

3837
02:43:31,360 --> 02:43:34,328
the amendments to the Historic

3838
02:43:34,328 --> 02:43:35,630
Preservation Element and

3839
02:43:35,630 --> 02:43:35,630
Appendix offer the general Plan

3840
02:43:35,630 --> 02:43:37,630
The Ordinance adopting

3841
02:43:38,667 --> 02:43:39,200
amendments to the land

3842
02:43:39,200 --> 02:43:39,768
Development Code of

3843
02:43:39,768 --> 02:43:40,367
the Municipal Code and

3844
02:43:40,367 --> 02:43:41,200
the Resolution adopting

3845
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:43,402
amendments The purpose and

3846
02:43:44,673 --> 02:43:45,173
intended Use of the Historic

3847
02:43:45,173 --> 02:43:45,874
Preservation Fund.

3848
02:43:45,874 --> 02:43:46,174
This concludes my presentation

3849
02:43:46,174 --> 02:43:48,174
today.

3850
02:43:48,643 --> 02:43:49,110
Thank you.

3851
02:43:49,110 --> 02:43:49,844
All right.

3852
02:43:49,844 --> 02:43:50,278
Thank you for the presentation

3853
02:43:50,278 --> 02:43:52,278
And with that.

3854
02:43:52,848 --> 02:43:53,315
Clerk please introduce item

3855
02:43:53,315 --> 02:43:53,982
three Excuse me.

3856
02:43:53,982 --> 02:43:54,516
>> With that please proceed

3857
02:43:54,516 --> 02:43:54,883
with public comment.

3858
02:43:54,883 --> 02:43:56,883
Thank you.

3859
02:43:57,753 --> 02:43:58,860
I will proceed with public

3860
02:43:58,860 --> 02:43:58,720
comment.

3861
02:43:58,720 --> 02:43:59,387
We have quite a number of

3862
02:43:59,387 --> 02:44:02,387
speakers here in chambers as

3863
02:44:02,691 --> 02:44:03,458
well as online so we will be

3864
02:44:03,458 --> 02:44:07,262
going to a minute apiece If we

3865
02:44:07,262 --> 02:44:07,929
can start with the following

3866
02:44:07,929 --> 02:44:08,597
individuals and if they can

3867
02:44:08,597 --> 02:44:09,264
please come up to the yellow

3868
02:44:09,264 --> 02:44:09,564
reserved seats and the front

3869
02:44:09,564 --> 02:44:11,564
seats.

3870
02:44:12,734 --> 02:44:15,134
Jennifer Ayala Ion Stiegler

3871
02:44:17,539 --> 02:44:18,140
Mandy Havlik Wesley Morgan,

3872
02:44:18,140 --> 02:44:20,140
David Swarns, Stephanie

3873
02:44:23,512 --> 02:44:24,379
Benevento and Jeff Hunter.

3874
02:44:24,379 --> 02:44:25,800
If you can all please come up

3875
02:44:25,800 --> 02:44:26,315
to the front row and Jennifer

3876
02:44:26,315 --> 02:44:30,515
Ayala if you can please come up

3877
02:44:32,721 --> 02:44:33,322
to the microphone.

3878
02:44:33,322 --> 02:44:33,789
>> Is this on?

3879
02:44:33,789 --> 02:44:35,789
Yes it is.

3880
02:44:36,525 --> 02:44:36,992
Thank you.

3881
02:44:36,992 --> 02:44:37,693
Good afternoon.

3882
02:44:37,693 --> 02:44:38,260
Council PRESIDENT And council

3883
02:44:38,260 --> 02:44:40,260
members.

3884
02:44:41,296 --> 02:44:41,997
My name is Jennifer Yarbrough I

3885
02:44:41,997 --> 02:44:42,631
colleague Access Planning and

3886
02:44:42,631 --> 02:44:45,300
Research where I head our

3887
02:44:45,300 --> 02:44:46,101
historical resources practice I

3888
02:44:46,101 --> 02:44:46,735
want to briefly respond to any

3889
02:44:46,735 --> 02:44:47,350
claims that might be made

3890
02:44:47,350 --> 02:44:47,703
today.

3891
02:44:47,703 --> 02:44:50,703
I do not believe that

3892
02:44:50,839 --> 02:44:51,373
the clarification should be

3893
02:44:51,373 --> 02:44:52,107
necessary but given

3894
02:44:52,107 --> 02:44:52,808
the testimony that's been given

3895
02:44:52,808 --> 02:44:56,979
in the past it is important to

3896
02:44:56,979 --> 02:44:57,646
clearly state what package does

3897
02:44:57,646 --> 02:45:01,246
or does not do and support

3898
02:45:01,249 --> 02:45:01,849
the work staff has presented

3899
02:45:01,849 --> 02:45:02,418
Package does not change

3900
02:45:02,418 --> 02:45:04,418
designation criteria.

3901
02:45:05,554 --> 02:45:06,188
It does not reduce protections

3902
02:45:06,188 --> 02:45:06,855
for designated resources.

3903
02:45:06,855 --> 02:45:07,189
It does not eliminate expert

3904
02:45:07,189 --> 02:45:09,189
review.

3905
02:45:11,930 --> 02:45:11,793
It does not alter the 45 year

3906
02:45:11,793 --> 02:45:12,361
review process and it does not

3907
02:45:12,361 --> 02:45:14,361
speed up development.

3908
02:45:15,831 --> 02:45:16,498
The added findings are

3909
02:45:16,498 --> 02:45:17,990
supported Appeal Ground does

3910
02:45:17,990 --> 02:45:20,990
not create an open ended

3911
02:45:20,903 --> 02:45:21,637
political override.

3912
02:45:21,637 --> 02:45:22,204
The Council would remain bound

3913
02:45:22,204 --> 02:45:24,604
by the city's adopted

3914
02:45:26,420 --> 02:45:26,742
designation criteria and would

3915
02:45:26,742 --> 02:45:27,208
determine whether Hrb findings

3916
02:45:27,208 --> 02:45:27,877
are supported by

3917
02:45:27,877 --> 02:45:30,277
the substantial evidence in

3918
02:45:30,679 --> 02:45:31,380
the record.

3919
02:45:31,380 --> 02:45:32,130
This clarification is aligned

3920
02:45:32,130 --> 02:45:32,648
with many other California

3921
02:45:32,648 --> 02:45:35,480
cities and counties where

3922
02:45:35,284 --> 02:45:35,951
the elected governing body

3923
02:45:35,951 --> 02:45:36,319
makes the final designation

3924
02:45:36,319 --> 02:45:36,852
decisions.

3925
02:45:36,852 --> 02:45:37,552
Thank you very much.

3926
02:45:37,552 --> 02:45:40,552
Thank you for that concluding

3927
02:45:45,661 --> 02:45:46,328
statement.

3928
02:45:46,328 --> 02:45:48,328
>> I am Stigler.

3929
02:45:50,366 --> 02:45:51,133
Yeah, Hi I'm I own Stigler

3930
02:45:51,133 --> 02:45:51,767
foia, a preservation architect

3931
02:45:51,767 --> 02:45:54,767
who has worked inside San

3932
02:45:55,471 --> 02:45:56,720
Diego's policy framework for

3933
02:45:56,720 --> 02:45:56,906
more than four decades.

3934
02:45:56,906 --> 02:46:00,506
I'm here as your memory and

3935
02:46:00,676 --> 02:46:01,377
under Republican Mayor Susan

3936
02:46:01,377 --> 02:46:01,711
Golding and City manager Jack

3937
02:46:01,711 --> 02:46:03,711
McGorry.

3938
02:46:04,813 --> 02:46:05,481
We spent over five years

3939
02:46:05,481 --> 02:46:07,881
hammering out today's status

3940
02:46:10,119 --> 02:46:10,452
quo on historic designation

3941
02:46:10,452 --> 02:46:11,860
appeals.

3942
02:46:11,860 --> 02:46:11,787
This is about that Fourth

3943
02:46:11,787 --> 02:46:14,187
Amendment that they're trying

3944
02:46:14,624 --> 02:46:15,290
to put in.

3945
02:46:15,290 --> 02:46:15,924
I did this together with

3946
02:46:15,924 --> 02:46:17,924
the Preservation Ordinance

3947
02:46:19,128 --> 02:46:19,729
Rewrite Committee a carefully

3948
02:46:19,729 --> 02:46:20,430
orchestrated bipartisan

3949
02:46:20,430 --> 02:46:23,430
committee on which were placed

3950
02:46:25,340 --> 02:46:25,634
two very pro property owner

3951
02:46:25,634 --> 02:46:26,102
attorneys Karl Zobel and

3952
02:46:26,102 --> 02:46:28,102
Marielena Burke.

3953
02:46:30,172 --> 02:46:30,806
As a lifelong Democrat and

3954
02:46:30,806 --> 02:46:31,440
frankly embarrassed that a

3955
02:46:31,440 --> 02:46:34,440
Democratic led city is now

3956
02:46:34,944 --> 02:46:35,645
attacking the long standing

3957
02:46:35,645 --> 02:46:36,278
historic Preservation Appeals

3958
02:46:36,278 --> 02:46:39,278
process over a handful of

3959
02:46:40,483 --> 02:46:41,184
designations a year and

3960
02:46:41,184 --> 02:46:43,584
shifting a technical evidence

3961
02:46:44,687 --> 02:46:44,954
based process into a political

3962
02:46:44,954 --> 02:46:45,688
one.

3963
02:46:45,688 --> 02:46:45,955
What is before you today is not

3964
02:46:45,955 --> 02:46:47,955
you.

3965
02:46:51,260 --> 02:46:51,995
It's a return to the de novo

3966
02:46:51,995 --> 02:46:52,662
model that the Council of Thank

3967
02:46:52,662 --> 02:46:53,363
you for that closed 30 years

3968
02:46:53,363 --> 02:46:53,830
ago after Minneapolis variance

3969
02:46:53,830 --> 02:46:55,830
with its flawed.

3970
02:46:56,366 --> 02:46:58,366
>> Thank you.

3971
02:47:04,907 --> 02:47:05,475
You have welcomed.

3972
02:47:05,475 --> 02:47:06,175
Thank you Manny.

3973
02:47:06,175 --> 02:47:09,175
You did not break with

3974
02:47:10,460 --> 02:47:10,813
the thumbs up or thumbs down.

3975
02:47:10,813 --> 02:47:11,514
The clapping we get a lot of

3976
02:47:11,514 --> 02:47:12,215
people want to hear from that

3977
02:47:12,215 --> 02:47:12,849
Just kind of slow the down So

3978
02:47:12,849 --> 02:47:14,884
thumbs up or thumbs down?

3979
02:47:14,884 --> 02:47:15,585
It's a very strong And

3980
02:47:15,585 --> 02:47:16,186
the little cards you got very

3981
02:47:16,186 --> 02:47:18,586
strong visuals up here.

3982
02:47:19,254 --> 02:47:19,923
Thank you Angela.

3983
02:47:19,923 --> 02:47:20,523
Better is sitting time so

3984
02:47:20,523 --> 02:47:20,990
you'll have two minutes.

3985
02:47:20,990 --> 02:47:22,990
Please proceed.

3986
02:47:24,661 --> 02:47:24,961
Thank you.

3987
02:47:24,961 --> 02:47:25,428
Good.

3988
02:47:25,428 --> 02:47:26,129
Good afternoon.

3989
02:47:26,129 --> 02:47:26,463
Council PRESIDENT And council

3990
02:47:26,463 --> 02:47:27,630
members.

3991
02:47:27,630 --> 02:47:29,566
My name is Bandy Havlik.

3992
02:47:29,566 --> 02:47:30,266
I am a longtime District two

3993
02:47:30,266 --> 02:47:30,933
community leader and advocate

3994
02:47:30,933 --> 02:47:33,933
and someone who spent years

3995
02:47:34,703 --> 02:47:35,238
working alongside residents and

3996
02:47:35,238 --> 02:47:35,971
planners to protect

3997
02:47:35,971 --> 02:47:36,373
the character and livability of

3998
02:47:36,373 --> 02:47:38,373
Ocean Beach.

3999
02:47:40,243 --> 02:47:40,944
My children attended Ocean

4000
02:47:40,944 --> 02:47:41,577
Beach Elementary and like many

4001
02:47:41,577 --> 02:47:44,577
families this isn't just a

4002
02:47:44,914 --> 02:47:45,248
neighbor said neighborhood I

4003
02:47:45,248 --> 02:47:46,160
visit.

4004
02:47:46,160 --> 02:47:46,883
It's a neighborhood that I have

4005
02:47:46,883 --> 02:47:50,387
roots in and I'm going to raise

4006
02:47:50,387 --> 02:47:51,540
my family.

4007
02:47:51,540 --> 02:47:51,655
I'm here because I'm deeply

4008
02:47:51,655 --> 02:47:52,254
committed to protecting

4009
02:47:52,254 --> 02:47:55,254
the place we call home.

4010
02:47:56,393 --> 02:47:57,270
Today is decision on

4011
02:47:57,270 --> 02:47:57,661
preservation and progress

4012
02:47:57,661 --> 02:47:58,128
Package is not just about

4013
02:47:58,128 --> 02:47:58,728
policy language.

4014
02:47:58,728 --> 02:48:00,797
>> It's about whether we

4015
02:48:00,797 --> 02:48:01,431
respect the intent behind

4016
02:48:01,431 --> 02:48:02,132
historic preservation and

4017
02:48:02,132 --> 02:48:04,532
community planning or whether

4018
02:48:06,503 --> 02:48:07,169
we allow technical changes to

4019
02:48:07,169 --> 02:48:09,169
weaken protections residents

4020
02:48:11,541 --> 02:48:12,109
have relied on for decades.

4021
02:48:12,109 --> 02:48:12,476
Ocean Beach is cottage

4022
02:48:12,476 --> 02:48:13,209
emergence.

4023
02:48:13,209 --> 02:48:15,609
An emerging historical district

4024
02:48:16,113 --> 02:48:16,680
exists because generations of

4025
02:48:16,680 --> 02:48:17,348
community members have

4026
02:48:17,348 --> 02:48:19,748
recognized that these small

4027
02:48:21,485 --> 02:48:22,185
cottages in the surrounding

4028
02:48:22,185 --> 02:48:24,585
neighborhood fabric define our

4029
02:48:26,623 --> 02:48:27,289
historic coastal identity.

4030
02:48:27,289 --> 02:48:29,689
The emerging the emerging

4031
02:48:31,828 --> 02:48:32,362
designation is reflecting

4032
02:48:32,362 --> 02:48:32,963
the unfinished work

4033
02:48:32,963 --> 02:48:33,630
specifically the city's

4034
02:48:33,630 --> 02:48:36,300
responsibility to complete a

4035
02:48:37,901 --> 02:48:38,635
comprehensive survey not an

4036
02:48:38,635 --> 02:48:39,269
invitation to limit protections

4037
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:42,269
before that work is done.

4038
02:48:43,139 --> 02:48:43,874
Reducing the district to only

4039
02:48:43,874 --> 02:48:44,408
72 cottages ignores the broader

4040
02:48:44,408 --> 02:48:46,408
historic context and

4041
02:48:48,111 --> 02:48:48,745
the reality that many more

4042
02:48:48,745 --> 02:48:49,446
structures MAY qualify and

4043
02:48:49,446 --> 02:48:52,446
before altering policies in a

4044
02:48:52,983 --> 02:48:53,650
way that could permanently

4045
02:48:53,650 --> 02:48:54,251
shape Ocean Beach, the city

4046
02:48:54,251 --> 02:48:54,851
must complete the survey

4047
02:48:54,851 --> 02:48:57,251
process a meaningful and

4048
02:48:58,622 --> 02:48:59,223
meaningfully engaged a

4049
02:48:59,223 --> 02:48:59,889
community package raises

4050
02:48:59,889 --> 02:49:02,289
serious concerns because it

4051
02:49:03,493 --> 02:49:04,228
could open the door to

4052
02:49:04,228 --> 02:49:04,862
increased densities or programs

4053
02:49:04,862 --> 02:49:06,862
like complete communities

4054
02:49:08,866 --> 02:49:09,233
without adequate infrastructure

4055
02:49:09,233 --> 02:49:09,833
planning.

4056
02:49:09,833 --> 02:49:10,501
We already struggle with

4057
02:49:10,501 --> 02:49:12,501
parking availability lacking

4058
02:49:14,771 --> 02:49:15,239
infrastructure and coastal

4059
02:49:15,239 --> 02:49:15,873
climate issues.

4060
02:49:15,873 --> 02:49:18,873
We understand the need to

4061
02:49:20,210 --> 02:49:20,978
address home and affordability

4062
02:49:20,978 --> 02:49:21,945
issues and we just ask that

4063
02:49:21,945 --> 02:49:25,749
again to not to pause or amend

4064
02:49:25,749 --> 02:49:26,250
package for the community.

4065
02:49:26,250 --> 02:49:26,951
>> Thank you.

4066
02:49:26,951 --> 02:49:27,284
Thank you for that concluding

4067
02:49:27,284 --> 02:49:29,284
remark.

4068
02:49:31,722 --> 02:49:32,456
Wesley Morgan.

4069
02:49:32,456 --> 02:49:32,789
>> Good afternoon Council

4070
02:49:32,789 --> 02:49:33,757
members.

4071
02:49:33,757 --> 02:49:37,610
I am Wes Morgan and I want to

4072
02:49:37,610 --> 02:49:37,695
thank city staff for the two

4073
02:49:37,695 --> 02:49:38,362
years of public input and

4074
02:49:38,362 --> 02:49:40,762
engagement on this package.

4075
02:49:42,700 --> 02:49:43,434
It is a modest but important

4076
02:49:43,434 --> 02:49:44,168
step forward and I look forward

4077
02:49:44,168 --> 02:49:47,768
to more complex work to package

4078
02:49:47,939 --> 02:49:48,238
be on the topic of Washington

4079
02:49:48,238 --> 02:49:48,906
Beach.

4080
02:49:48,906 --> 02:49:49,473
The existence of 72 historic

4081
02:49:49,473 --> 02:49:51,873
cottages and a context

4082
02:49:53,100 --> 02:49:53,610
statement do not default an

4083
02:49:53,610 --> 02:49:54,111
entire community into a

4084
02:49:54,111 --> 02:49:54,812
historic district.

4085
02:49:54,812 --> 02:49:58,412
There is no state, national or

4086
02:49:59,116 --> 02:49:59,850
local criteria under which

4087
02:49:59,850 --> 02:50:00,551
the following in this community

4088
02:50:00,551 --> 02:50:03,551
would qualify as a geographic

4089
02:50:03,921 --> 02:50:04,622
historic district And if there

4090
02:50:04,622 --> 02:50:05,123
was the integrity requirement

4091
02:50:05,123 --> 02:50:05,756
simply is not met.

4092
02:50:05,756 --> 02:50:08,156
Roughly 2% of parcels are

4093
02:50:08,993 --> 02:50:09,727
contributing while recognized

4094
02:50:09,727 --> 02:50:10,461
districts require well over 50%

4095
02:50:10,461 --> 02:50:12,861
have demonstrated continuity of

4096
02:50:14,432 --> 02:50:15,199
character as well.

4097
02:50:15,199 --> 02:50:15,900
In fact designation is not

4098
02:50:15,900 --> 02:50:19,403
governed by rules and it is

4099
02:50:19,403 --> 02:50:19,704
governed by rules not sentiment

4100
02:50:19,704 --> 02:50:20,438
.

4101
02:50:20,438 --> 02:50:21,138
It's troubling to see respected

4102
02:50:21,138 --> 02:50:23,538
preservation groups shift from

4103
02:50:24,775 --> 02:50:25,476
those standards to broad claims

4104
02:50:25,476 --> 02:50:26,176
that the entire Obie community

4105
02:50:26,176 --> 02:50:28,576
is historic without documented

4106
02:50:30,481 --> 02:50:31,115
integrity.

4107
02:50:31,115 --> 02:50:31,749
It clarifies that complete

4108
02:50:31,749 --> 02:50:32,416
immunity does not apply to

4109
02:50:32,416 --> 02:50:34,816
historic cottages and never

4110
02:50:36,220 --> 02:50:36,721
will it apply only to non

4111
02:50:36,721 --> 02:50:38,523
historic parcels.

4112
02:50:38,523 --> 02:50:41,523
>> Thank you very much Stevens

4113
02:50:45,196 --> 02:50:45,963
David Swarns My pleasure.

4114
02:50:45,963 --> 02:50:46,664
David Simonds from Golden Hill.

4115
02:50:46,664 --> 02:50:47,365
I'm the owner of properties in

4116
02:50:47,365 --> 02:50:49,765
the two districts highlighted

4117
02:50:50,702 --> 02:50:51,168
by staff and was involved with

4118
02:50:51,168 --> 02:50:51,803
their adoption.

4119
02:50:51,803 --> 02:50:54,803
I mainly wish to address

4120
02:50:55,573 --> 02:50:56,240
the lack of good faith by

4121
02:50:56,240 --> 02:50:56,973
changing the rules midstream

4122
02:50:56,973 --> 02:50:57,608
and long term pipeline projects

4123
02:50:57,608 --> 02:50:59,608
specifically the proposed

4124
02:51:01,779 --> 02:51:02,480
district districts and from

4125
02:51:02,480 --> 02:51:03,140
community plan updates from 19

4126
02:51:03,140 --> 02:51:05,140
2016 including that

4127
02:51:07,785 --> 02:51:08,452
the original commitment was to

4128
02:51:08,452 --> 02:51:09,153
processes by Golden Hill by

4129
02:51:09,153 --> 02:51:11,553
2018 which was you know

4130
02:51:13,424 --> 02:51:14,259
sometime back.

4131
02:51:14,259 --> 02:51:14,959
Each year we've been told next

4132
02:51:14,959 --> 02:51:18,559
year this past week we were

4133
02:51:18,563 --> 02:51:19,230
told after this project because

4134
02:51:19,230 --> 02:51:19,930
of staff work commitments to

4135
02:51:19,930 --> 02:51:22,330
the preservation and progress

4136
02:51:24,100 --> 02:51:24,703
that's that's just that's

4137
02:51:24,703 --> 02:51:27,703
disingenuous and not it's not

4138
02:51:29,140 --> 02:51:29,908
and nobody ever told me life

4139
02:51:29,908 --> 02:51:30,608
was fair but it's supposed to

4140
02:51:30,608 --> 02:51:34,208
at least pretend to be fair.

4141
02:51:36,470 --> 02:51:36,747
I intend I still have concerns

4142
02:51:36,747 --> 02:51:39,147
about projects being under

4143
02:51:40,818 --> 02:51:41,519
sequel what packages and b as

4144
02:51:41,519 --> 02:51:44,519
well as recent related changes

4145
02:51:46,391 --> 02:51:46,890
to the general plan which rely

4146
02:51:46,890 --> 02:51:47,525
on and reference

4147
02:51:47,525 --> 02:51:49,525
the preservation program.

4148
02:51:52,597 --> 02:51:52,964
>> Stephanie Benevento My

4149
02:51:52,964 --> 02:51:53,465
apologies.

4150
02:51:53,465 --> 02:51:55,465
>> That was great.

4151
02:51:57,335 --> 02:51:57,636
My name is Stephanie Benvenuto

4152
02:51:57,636 --> 02:51:58,403
.

4153
02:51:58,403 --> 02:51:59,370
I'm here on the San Diego here

4154
02:51:59,370 --> 02:51:59,737
on behalf of the San Diego

4155
02:51:59,737 --> 02:52:01,737
Building Industry Association

4156
02:52:02,440 --> 02:52:03,208
we want to express our sincere

4157
02:52:03,208 --> 02:52:03,942
thank you to staff for putting

4158
02:52:03,942 --> 02:52:04,542
in so much work to create this

4159
02:52:04,542 --> 02:52:04,876
balanced starting policy

4160
02:52:04,876 --> 02:52:06,876
package.

4161
02:52:09,130 --> 02:52:09,748
We are very eager to see

4162
02:52:09,748 --> 02:52:10,448
package be move forward But for

4163
02:52:10,448 --> 02:52:12,848
today's consideration we again

4164
02:52:14,252 --> 02:52:14,820
want to reiterate that what our

4165
02:52:14,820 --> 02:52:15,520
industry looks for is

4166
02:52:15,520 --> 02:52:15,853
certainty, predictability and

4167
02:52:15,853 --> 02:52:16,555
clarity.

4168
02:52:16,555 --> 02:52:19,524
This is a very modest but very

4169
02:52:19,524 --> 02:52:20,225
important step forward in that

4170
02:52:20,225 --> 02:52:20,892
process and will help enhance

4171
02:52:20,892 --> 02:52:21,526
all of the pro housing work

4172
02:52:21,526 --> 02:52:24,526
that this council in this

4173
02:52:24,596 --> 02:52:25,363
administration has already done

4174
02:52:25,363 --> 02:52:25,998
to ensure that things are not

4175
02:52:25,998 --> 02:52:26,631
inappropriately sidelined

4176
02:52:26,631 --> 02:52:29,310
because of some confusion

4177
02:52:31,300 --> 02:52:31,570
around what policies mean with

4178
02:52:31,570 --> 02:52:32,203
regard to historicity.

4179
02:52:32,203 --> 02:52:32,504
So we appreciate your time

4180
02:52:32,504 --> 02:52:33,171
today.

4181
02:52:33,171 --> 02:52:36,771
Thank you very much And urge

4182
02:52:37,543 --> 02:52:38,310
your vote in support.

4183
02:52:38,310 --> 02:52:39,770
>> Jeff Tutor Jeff Tutor you

4184
02:52:39,770 --> 02:52:42,770
have several people sitting in

4185
02:52:42,514 --> 02:52:43,248
time if they can please raise

4186
02:52:43,248 --> 02:52:43,715
their hands And I know you have

4187
02:52:43,715 --> 02:52:44,349
a presentation.

4188
02:52:44,349 --> 02:52:47,949
We'll get that up as well.

4189
02:52:48,420 --> 02:52:49,121
David Modi If I haven't called

4190
02:52:49,121 --> 02:52:49,388
your hand don't don't raise it

4191
02:52:49,388 --> 02:52:49,788
yet.

4192
02:52:49,788 --> 02:52:51,788
Thank you.

4193
02:52:54,760 --> 02:52:55,160
The intent to give it.

4194
02:52:55,160 --> 02:52:55,594
Thank you.

4195
02:52:55,594 --> 02:52:57,594
Yvonne Jones.

4196
02:52:59,310 --> 02:52:59,497
Laura Hanson.

4197
02:52:59,497 --> 02:53:01,497
Paula Kruger.

4198
02:53:05,804 --> 02:53:06,237
Leslie Bruce.

4199
02:53:06,237 --> 02:53:06,605
Rick Roche.

4200
02:53:06,605 --> 02:53:08,605
Thank you.

4201
02:53:11,175 --> 02:53:11,610
Priscilla Birkby rg First of

4202
02:53:11,610 --> 02:53:12,244
all Oh sorry.

4203
02:53:12,244 --> 02:53:14,644
Elizabeth Kelly Thank you.

4204
02:53:18,550 --> 02:53:21,550
William MacLean Brook mp and

4205
02:53:23,655 --> 02:53:24,255
Deidre Lee Thank you.

4206
02:53:24,255 --> 02:53:26,255
You'll have 13 minutes.

4207
02:53:28,927 --> 02:53:29,328
I'll set the timer for you.

4208
02:53:29,328 --> 02:53:29,695
>> Great.

4209
02:53:29,695 --> 02:53:30,195
Thank you.

4210
02:53:30,195 --> 02:53:32,195
Council members.

4211
02:53:34,600 --> 02:53:35,301
One of the things I'd like to

4212
02:53:35,301 --> 02:53:35,968
do today is before we go to

4213
02:53:35,968 --> 02:53:38,368
something as substantial as

4214
02:53:39,505 --> 02:53:40,172
what we're going to do today,

4215
02:53:40,172 --> 02:53:40,873
there should have been some

4216
02:53:40,873 --> 02:53:43,873
more coherent analysis of what

4217
02:53:45,411 --> 02:53:45,945
the conditions are in San

4218
02:53:45,945 --> 02:53:46,645
Diego, how historic

4219
02:53:46,645 --> 02:53:49,645
preservation relates to us And

4220
02:53:50,349 --> 02:53:50,983
you know, we're sort of jumping

4221
02:53:50,983 --> 02:53:51,650
into the de novo process

4222
02:53:51,650 --> 02:53:52,217
without asking why historic

4223
02:53:52,217 --> 02:53:54,217
preservation itself is

4224
02:53:56,889 --> 02:53:57,723
important to us.

4225
02:53:57,723 --> 02:53:58,624
One of the things that I want

4226
02:53:58,624 --> 02:54:02,428
to show today is there's a lot

4227
02:54:02,428 --> 02:54:03,128
of misconceptions about

4228
02:54:03,128 --> 02:54:03,863
historic preservation And one

4229
02:54:03,863 --> 02:54:04,463
of the things is that destroyed

4230
02:54:04,463 --> 02:54:06,463
neighborhoods and older

4231
02:54:08,634 --> 02:54:09,334
neighborhoods in general are

4232
02:54:09,334 --> 02:54:12,334
more affordable for San Diego

4233
02:54:14,139 --> 02:54:14,874
and both homeowners and renters

4234
02:54:14,874 --> 02:54:15,307
they aren't freezing population

4235
02:54:15,307 --> 02:54:15,974
or diversity.

4236
02:54:15,974 --> 02:54:17,974
They're diversifying faster

4237
02:54:20,679 --> 02:54:21,380
than the rest of San Diego.

4238
02:54:21,380 --> 02:54:23,780
And finally the rehabilitation

4239
02:54:26,219 --> 02:54:26,953
and reuse of historic resources

4240
02:54:26,953 --> 02:54:27,586
is a much more sustainable

4241
02:54:27,586 --> 02:54:28,253
strategy than just tearing

4242
02:54:28,253 --> 02:54:28,687
buildings to the ground and

4243
02:54:28,687 --> 02:54:30,687
starting over.

4244
02:54:32,591 --> 02:54:33,359
So if you go to the next slide,

4245
02:54:33,359 --> 02:54:38,159
one of the things that we did I

4246
02:54:38,264 --> 02:54:38,865
just like to summarize

4247
02:54:38,865 --> 02:54:39,565
the historic context of

4248
02:54:39,565 --> 02:54:43,165
the story context I guess and

4249
02:54:44,370 --> 02:54:45,370
that is if you look at the next

4250
02:54:45,370 --> 02:54:48,637
slide how did we get here?

4251
02:54:50,276 --> 02:54:51,100
Well, what happened was is

4252
02:54:51,100 --> 02:54:51,744
there's a lot of statements

4253
02:54:51,744 --> 02:54:52,440
about San Diego being frozen in

4254
02:54:52,440 --> 02:54:54,440
time.

4255
02:54:56,783 --> 02:54:57,583
The reality is that when we

4256
02:54:57,583 --> 02:54:58,284
moved on fully to an automobile

4257
02:54:58,284 --> 02:55:01,284
culture and the city expanded

4258
02:55:03,423 --> 02:55:04,900
north of I-80 to the first

4259
02:55:04,900 --> 02:55:06,490
Claremont Mesa Kearny, Mesa,

4260
02:55:08,828 --> 02:55:11,828
Serrano mesa, etc. We really

4261
02:55:14,967 --> 02:55:15,401
just left behind those existing

4262
02:55:15,401 --> 02:55:16,350
neighborhoods.

4263
02:55:16,350 --> 02:55:16,669
You know, when we look at

4264
02:55:16,669 --> 02:55:19,690
community plan updates for

4265
02:55:20,707 --> 02:55:21,407
South Bay communities, there's

4266
02:55:21,407 --> 02:55:22,108
never any economic development

4267
02:55:22,108 --> 02:55:26,308
plan no idea to bring jobs to

4268
02:55:27,246 --> 02:55:27,914
these areas.

4269
02:55:27,914 --> 02:55:28,381
There's always a lack of

4270
02:55:28,381 --> 02:55:29,140
infrastructure.

4271
02:55:29,140 --> 02:55:32,519
And one of the things that

4272
02:55:32,519 --> 02:55:33,119
sustained our South Bay

4273
02:55:33,119 --> 02:55:35,519
communities and this is

4274
02:55:37,456 --> 02:55:38,124
District two, three, eight and

4275
02:55:38,124 --> 02:55:38,825
nine is really been the fact

4276
02:55:38,825 --> 02:55:41,825
that we have these stabilizing

4277
02:55:43,630 --> 02:55:44,330
neighborhoods that are valued

4278
02:55:44,330 --> 02:55:44,998
by people despite the other

4279
02:55:44,998 --> 02:55:47,398
conditions that don't exist.

4280
02:55:49,636 --> 02:55:50,303
What happened is we expanded

4281
02:55:50,303 --> 02:55:51,370
out and then for purposes of

4282
02:55:51,370 --> 02:55:54,370
urban containment we said we're

4283
02:55:55,875 --> 02:55:56,208
not going to keep going any

4284
02:55:56,208 --> 02:55:56,743
further.

4285
02:55:56,743 --> 02:55:57,443
We've reflected that

4286
02:55:57,443 --> 02:56:00,443
development back And now that

4287
02:56:01,715 --> 02:56:02,382
we've decided that we want to

4288
02:56:02,382 --> 02:56:03,149
that we care about that city

4289
02:56:03,149 --> 02:56:06,149
again, we're at this contention

4290
02:56:07,787 --> 02:56:08,521
of should we allow people to

4291
02:56:08,521 --> 02:56:09,189
just mow down our neighborhoods

4292
02:56:09,189 --> 02:56:12,592
and start over or should we

4293
02:56:12,592 --> 02:56:13,126
take what we have today and

4294
02:56:13,126 --> 02:56:15,126
enhance it further?

4295
02:56:19,399 --> 02:56:22,999
>> So the next slide you know,

4296
02:56:24,404 --> 02:56:25,710
first I just like to so we

4297
02:56:25,710 --> 02:56:25,638
actually as the preservation

4298
02:56:25,638 --> 02:56:27,638
community we actually

4299
02:56:30,243 --> 02:56:30,944
commissioned a study by place

4300
02:56:30,944 --> 02:56:31,611
Economics which is a national

4301
02:56:31,611 --> 02:56:34,110
firm that specializes in

4302
02:56:36,816 --> 02:56:37,484
economic analysis of historic

4303
02:56:37,484 --> 02:56:39,884
districts that are actually

4304
02:56:42,589 --> 02:56:43,190
typically higher by planning

4305
02:56:43,190 --> 02:56:43,923
departments like Dallas,

4306
02:56:43,923 --> 02:56:46,323
Philadelphia, San Antonio State

4307
02:56:48,862 --> 02:56:49,563
higher them.

4308
02:56:49,563 --> 02:56:50,230
So there are very reputable

4309
02:56:50,230 --> 02:56:50,764
things So you don't have to

4310
02:56:50,764 --> 02:56:51,464
take my word for it.

4311
02:56:51,464 --> 02:56:54,464
You can actually take another

4312
02:56:54,634 --> 02:56:55,569
firm for it.

4313
02:56:55,569 --> 02:56:56,169
So one of the things we did in

4314
02:56:56,169 --> 02:56:56,570
this report is still in

4315
02:56:56,570 --> 02:56:57,304
preparation.

4316
02:56:57,304 --> 02:57:00,139
When it's done we'll share with

4317
02:57:00,139 --> 02:57:01,208
you.

4318
02:57:01,208 --> 02:57:01,842
But to kind of get to it first

4319
02:57:01,842 --> 02:57:05,442
I think the first thing is

4320
02:57:06,413 --> 02:57:07,130
believe it or not, additions

4321
02:57:07,130 --> 02:57:07,581
are growing faster than

4322
02:57:07,581 --> 02:57:08,382
the rest of the city.

4323
02:57:08,382 --> 02:57:12,152
So not only are we not stopping

4324
02:57:12,152 --> 02:57:12,853
development, we're actually

4325
02:57:12,853 --> 02:57:13,521
adding more people to historic

4326
02:57:13,521 --> 02:57:15,889
districts in San Diego than

4327
02:57:15,889 --> 02:57:20,890
the rest of the city at large.

4328
02:57:22,950 --> 02:57:22,829
And if you go to the next slide

4329
02:57:22,829 --> 02:57:23,630
and how is that happening?

4330
02:57:23,630 --> 02:57:27,230
A lot of infill development is

4331
02:57:28,635 --> 02:57:29,335
small scale development and it

4332
02:57:29,335 --> 02:57:30,370
doesn't look like we're adding

4333
02:57:30,370 --> 02:57:30,370
all this housing when in fact

4334
02:57:30,370 --> 02:57:32,370
we are.

4335
02:57:35,542 --> 02:57:36,175
And a perfect example of that

4336
02:57:36,175 --> 02:57:36,877
is any new development.

4337
02:57:36,877 --> 02:57:37,511
There are twice as many areas

4338
02:57:37,511 --> 02:57:40,280
being added to an historic

4339
02:57:40,280 --> 02:57:40,914
district and it's not just

4340
02:57:40,914 --> 02:57:41,614
south of a community.

4341
02:57:41,614 --> 02:57:42,316
These are actually designated

4342
02:57:42,316 --> 02:57:45,316
historic districts And we say

4343
02:57:47,621 --> 02:57:48,288
that we're making it illegal to

4344
02:57:48,288 --> 02:57:48,923
add housing or that historic

4345
02:57:48,923 --> 02:57:49,390
preservation and freezing

4346
02:57:49,390 --> 02:57:51,390
things in time.

4347
02:57:52,326 --> 02:57:52,893
This data clearly shows

4348
02:57:52,893 --> 02:57:53,527
the opposite is true.

4349
02:57:53,527 --> 02:57:56,527
We're adding twice as many

4350
02:57:57,297 --> 02:57:58,650
almost twice as many well one

4351
02:57:58,650 --> 02:57:58,766
and a half times as many areas

4352
02:57:58,766 --> 02:57:59,499
to historic districts as we're

4353
02:57:59,499 --> 02:58:03,699
adding to the rest of the city.

4354
02:58:04,505 --> 02:58:05,272
And how let's give an example

4355
02:58:05,272 --> 02:58:05,573
to put a picture on in the next

4356
02:58:05,573 --> 02:58:06,273
slide.

4357
02:58:06,273 --> 02:58:06,707
So this is an example of a win

4358
02:58:06,707 --> 02:58:08,707
win situation.

4359
02:58:09,375 --> 02:58:09,944
So this was a dilapidated

4360
02:58:09,944 --> 02:58:11,944
fourplex in Hillcrest.

4361
02:58:15,483 --> 02:58:16,150
The owners bought this

4362
02:58:16,150 --> 02:58:16,716
property, they rehabilitated

4363
02:58:16,716 --> 02:58:19,116
it, taken advantage of

4364
02:58:22,423 --> 02:58:23,560
the mills So it's got all these

4365
02:58:23,560 --> 02:58:23,591
original windows into very

4366
02:58:23,591 --> 02:58:25,591
beautiful building.

4367
02:58:27,395 --> 02:58:28,280
But on top of that they added

4368
02:58:28,280 --> 02:58:28,829
to areas to this property.

4369
02:58:28,829 --> 02:58:33,290
So we we did the best of

4370
02:58:33,634 --> 02:58:34,335
historic preservation and we

4371
02:58:34,335 --> 02:58:34,969
did the best of infill housing

4372
02:58:34,969 --> 02:58:35,503
in this project and these

4373
02:58:35,503 --> 02:58:37,503
things are possible.

4374
02:58:38,773 --> 02:58:39,539
So go into the next slide.

4375
02:58:39,539 --> 02:58:39,907
>> The other thing is about

4376
02:58:39,907 --> 02:58:41,907
diversity.

4377
02:58:45,113 --> 02:58:45,779
So because as historic

4378
02:58:45,779 --> 02:58:47,779
properties older properties

4379
02:58:50,885 --> 02:58:51,753
tend to be smaller in San Diego

4380
02:58:51,753 --> 02:58:52,453
and they tend to be in more

4381
02:58:52,453 --> 02:58:54,853
diversified areas anyway we're

4382
02:58:56,590 --> 02:58:57,324
finding that

4383
02:58:57,324 --> 02:58:57,992
the diversification of historic

4384
02:58:57,992 --> 02:58:58,426
district is actually a very

4385
02:58:58,426 --> 02:59:00,426
rapid process.

4386
02:59:03,864 --> 02:59:04,531
We're not freezing things a

4387
02:59:04,531 --> 02:59:05,399
place again and this is not

4388
02:59:05,399 --> 02:59:08,999
only true for people who live

4389
02:59:09,303 --> 02:59:09,904
in these areas but that's also

4390
02:59:09,904 --> 02:59:10,571
true for homeownership.

4391
02:59:10,571 --> 02:59:14,171
And so this is an important

4392
02:59:14,408 --> 02:59:14,842
part of that going to the next

4393
02:59:14,842 --> 02:59:15,576
slide.

4394
02:59:15,576 --> 02:59:16,277
And again this gets back to

4395
02:59:16,277 --> 02:59:19,277
the different types of housing

4396
02:59:22,483 --> 02:59:23,217
typologies that we have in

4397
02:59:23,217 --> 02:59:23,951
stork districts and the fact we

4398
02:59:23,951 --> 02:59:26,888
have smaller homes In some ways

4399
02:59:26,888 --> 02:59:27,588
our storage districts are

4400
02:59:27,588 --> 02:59:28,256
missing middle already And if

4401
02:59:28,256 --> 02:59:28,790
you look at when we get a

4402
02:59:28,790 --> 02:59:30,790
planning department

4403
02:59:33,940 --> 02:59:33,861
presentation on the kinds of

4404
02:59:33,861 --> 02:59:34,562
things that we want to do as

4405
02:59:34,562 --> 02:59:35,263
missing people, typically they

4406
02:59:35,263 --> 02:59:38,863
just come to our district and

4407
02:59:39,634 --> 02:59:40,234
take pictures on blackboards as

4408
02:59:40,234 --> 02:59:42,234
complexes eight classes,

4409
02:59:44,372 --> 02:59:45,273
duplexes and as can be seen

4410
02:59:45,273 --> 02:59:48,873
here, this is where people with

4411
02:59:49,410 --> 02:59:50,110
incomes between 50 and 100,000

4412
02:59:50,110 --> 02:59:50,745
people are disproportionately

4413
02:59:50,745 --> 02:59:53,145
finding that those housing

4414
02:59:53,848 --> 02:59:54,214
options in our historic

4415
02:59:54,214 --> 02:59:56,214
districts.

4416
03:00:00,922 --> 03:00:01,789
>> Next slide.

4417
03:00:01,789 --> 03:00:02,524
And a lot of concern about

4418
03:00:02,524 --> 03:00:06,124
the mills And frankly for those

4419
03:00:06,894 --> 03:00:07,561
of us who've been our houses

4420
03:00:07,561 --> 03:00:08,295
one time, the mills action

4421
03:00:08,295 --> 03:00:08,930
isn't nearly as much about that

4422
03:00:08,930 --> 03:00:11,930
as somebody who's trying a

4423
03:00:12,267 --> 03:00:12,900
young family is trying to buy

4424
03:00:12,900 --> 03:00:13,501
into the market today and

4425
03:00:13,501 --> 03:00:16,501
the Mills Act provides a

4426
03:00:17,706 --> 03:00:18,440
mechanism for that lowering not

4427
03:00:18,440 --> 03:00:19,274
just lowering the monthly cost

4428
03:00:19,274 --> 03:00:22,874
of housing but also helping to

4429
03:00:24,790 --> 03:00:24,746
subsidize maintenance of those

4430
03:00:24,746 --> 03:00:25,446
historic properties as well.

4431
03:00:25,446 --> 03:00:26,715
So I think that's that's

4432
03:00:26,715 --> 03:00:28,715
important.

4433
03:00:32,620 --> 03:00:33,355
Next slide.

4434
03:00:33,355 --> 03:00:36,355
And this is really important.

4435
03:00:39,694 --> 03:00:40,428
So we're talking if we go

4436
03:00:40,428 --> 03:00:41,950
beyond just historic districts,

4437
03:00:41,950 --> 03:00:45,295
we say look, how old is our

4438
03:00:45,500 --> 03:00:46,670
housing stock and how does that

4439
03:00:46,670 --> 03:00:46,768
affect affordability?

4440
03:00:46,768 --> 03:00:47,435
We often hear this term that's

4441
03:00:47,435 --> 03:00:49,835
called filtering which says

4442
03:00:51,139 --> 03:00:52,400
that we go over to the right

4443
03:00:52,400 --> 03:00:52,740
side of this graph and we build

4444
03:00:52,740 --> 03:00:55,740
premium rate brand new housing

4445
03:00:57,450 --> 03:00:57,746
And you know, in 40 years it

4446
03:00:57,746 --> 03:00:58,280
filters down and then we have

4447
03:00:58,280 --> 03:00:58,980
affordable housing.

4448
03:00:58,980 --> 03:01:02,580
Well this graph in some sense

4449
03:01:03,417 --> 03:01:04,860
confirms that you know, you

4450
03:01:04,860 --> 03:01:04,786
start over here on the right

4451
03:01:04,786 --> 03:01:07,786
and you get down to 1980, 40

4452
03:01:09,224 --> 03:01:09,925
years ago and sure enough we're

4453
03:01:09,925 --> 03:01:13,525
in a more affordable level But

4454
03:01:14,629 --> 03:01:15,564
unfortunately we should be.

4455
03:01:15,564 --> 03:01:16,198
What we don't do at that point

4456
03:01:16,198 --> 03:01:16,897
is we don't preserve this

4457
03:01:16,897 --> 03:01:20,497
housing So we say we're going

4458
03:01:21,236 --> 03:01:22,370
to filter down something and

4459
03:01:22,370 --> 03:01:22,737
then we demolish it all and

4460
03:01:22,737 --> 03:01:23,438
we're going to build the brand

4461
03:01:23,438 --> 03:01:27,750
new things on the right And we

4462
03:01:27,750 --> 03:01:27,743
destroyed that filter engine.

4463
03:01:27,743 --> 03:01:28,376
More importantly, if you see

4464
03:01:28,376 --> 03:01:29,440
here this is our naturally

4465
03:01:29,440 --> 03:01:31,440
occurring affordable housing

4466
03:01:33,115 --> 03:01:33,782
and one of the things that gets

4467
03:01:33,782 --> 03:01:36,182
overlooked is 61% of all

4468
03:01:39,621 --> 03:01:40,322
the housing available to people

4469
03:01:40,322 --> 03:01:43,922
in lower incomes is rented on

4470
03:01:44,458 --> 03:01:45,160
the market and they don't go to

4471
03:01:45,160 --> 03:01:45,527
the housing commission is not

4472
03:01:45,527 --> 03:01:46,228
deeded it.

4473
03:01:46,228 --> 03:01:49,228
Those are just market rentals

4474
03:01:51,433 --> 03:01:52,167
and this is where those market

4475
03:01:52,167 --> 03:01:55,767
rentals are coming from And and

4476
03:01:56,739 --> 03:01:57,439
so it should be the linchpin of

4477
03:01:57,439 --> 03:01:57,973
our preservation policies that

4478
03:01:57,973 --> 03:02:00,373
we protect this No.

4479
03:02:02,770 --> 03:02:02,478
One housing.

4480
03:02:02,478 --> 03:02:03,579
Next slide.

4481
03:02:03,579 --> 03:02:07,750
So I think I just like to talk

4482
03:02:07,750 --> 03:02:08,450
about and you can skip for one

4483
03:02:08,450 --> 03:02:12,500
more is how does this factory

4484
03:02:13,155 --> 03:02:13,756
how does preservation factor

4485
03:02:13,756 --> 03:02:14,189
into our preservation or

4486
03:02:14,189 --> 03:02:16,189
climate goals?

4487
03:02:19,161 --> 03:02:19,862
And if you look at the city

4488
03:02:19,862 --> 03:02:20,429
study of what goes into our

4489
03:02:20,429 --> 03:02:22,429
landfills well 34% of

4490
03:02:25,234 --> 03:02:25,901
everything on our landfill is

4491
03:02:25,901 --> 03:02:27,901
construction and demolition

4492
03:02:30,105 --> 03:02:30,772
waste which is to say buildings

4493
03:02:30,772 --> 03:02:31,140
and 34% is in organic

4494
03:02:31,140 --> 03:02:31,707
materials.

4495
03:02:31,707 --> 03:02:32,374
Well, we know from all

4496
03:02:32,374 --> 03:02:35,374
the debates that are having

4497
03:02:36,145 --> 03:02:36,879
near over traffic and whatnot

4498
03:02:36,879 --> 03:02:37,580
that organics are getting a lot

4499
03:02:37,580 --> 03:02:38,147
of attention But we don't even

4500
03:02:38,147 --> 03:02:40,147
have construction and

4501
03:02:42,551 --> 03:02:42,952
demolition in our climate

4502
03:02:42,952 --> 03:02:43,653
action plan.

4503
03:02:43,653 --> 03:02:44,120
It is not even considered as a

4504
03:02:44,120 --> 03:02:46,120
climate factor.

4505
03:02:48,991 --> 03:02:49,725
So if you go to the network,

4506
03:02:49,725 --> 03:02:50,493
you know it's I think important

4507
03:02:50,493 --> 03:02:54,630
to get to where you have real

4508
03:02:54,630 --> 03:02:54,863
data And so here's a case study

4509
03:02:54,863 --> 03:02:59,630
that was done by a group called

4510
03:02:59,869 --> 03:03:00,535
lpa Design Studios and they

4511
03:03:00,535 --> 03:03:01,237
were contracted to renovate

4512
03:03:01,237 --> 03:03:04,237
this Granger building that was

4513
03:03:06,241 --> 03:03:06,909
downtown San Diego.

4514
03:03:06,909 --> 03:03:07,543
And the way that they

4515
03:03:07,543 --> 03:03:08,144
considered it is to go to

4516
03:03:08,144 --> 03:03:11,144
the next slide and they

4517
03:03:12,114 --> 03:03:12,915
considered multiple options.

4518
03:03:12,915 --> 03:03:13,615
They considered whether it just

4519
03:03:13,615 --> 03:03:17,215
leave the building where it is

4520
03:03:17,520 --> 03:03:17,920
do nothing, do a light

4521
03:03:17,920 --> 03:03:18,521
renovation.

4522
03:03:18,521 --> 03:03:19,222
It is mainly preserving

4523
03:03:19,222 --> 03:03:22,222
the inside but not necessarily

4524
03:03:24,494 --> 03:03:25,161
getting And they said well

4525
03:03:25,161 --> 03:03:25,495
let's just leave that aside.

4526
03:03:25,495 --> 03:03:26,229
Got it.

4527
03:03:26,229 --> 03:03:26,963
And finally they said Well what

4528
03:03:26,963 --> 03:03:29,165
if we just tear the whole

4529
03:03:29,165 --> 03:03:29,902
building down?

4530
03:03:29,902 --> 03:03:30,600
Well, we often say well, new

4531
03:03:30,600 --> 03:03:33,600
construction you know, we have

4532
03:03:35,604 --> 03:03:36,272
modern technology we can

4533
03:03:36,272 --> 03:03:36,573
decarbonize and things like

4534
03:03:36,573 --> 03:03:37,240
that.

4535
03:03:37,240 --> 03:03:40,240
But what the study analysis

4536
03:03:41,177 --> 03:03:41,744
shows is that the equivalent

4537
03:03:41,744 --> 03:03:43,744
carbon production from

4538
03:03:47,490 --> 03:03:47,650
destroying that building

4539
03:03:47,650 --> 03:03:50,650
outweighs any of the new

4540
03:03:53,389 --> 03:03:54,230
benefits of decarbonization in

4541
03:03:54,230 --> 03:03:54,390
that operation of the new

4542
03:03:54,390 --> 03:03:55,910
building.

4543
03:03:55,910 --> 03:03:58,691
And in fact the best strategy

4544
03:03:58,861 --> 03:03:59,629
has to take your existing

4545
03:03:59,629 --> 03:04:00,296
buildings, do a renovation of

4546
03:04:00,296 --> 03:04:03,296
those buildings and put them

4547
03:04:04,666 --> 03:04:05,435
back into production And that's

4548
03:04:05,435 --> 03:04:09,350
taken this what was a rundown

4549
03:04:10,540 --> 03:04:11,341
former office building and

4550
03:04:11,341 --> 03:04:14,941
turned it into a night party

4551
03:04:17,810 --> 03:04:17,779
hotel in downtown San Diego

4552
03:04:17,779 --> 03:04:18,481
Going to the next slide.

4553
03:04:18,481 --> 03:04:22,810
The other thing is, you know,

4554
03:04:22,885 --> 03:04:23,553
we also look for green

4555
03:04:23,553 --> 03:04:24,219
buildings but sometimes it's

4556
03:04:24,219 --> 03:04:24,554
good to just look at humbler

4557
03:04:24,554 --> 03:04:26,554
places.

4558
03:04:29,920 --> 03:04:29,826
You know, in Mill City And this

4559
03:04:29,826 --> 03:04:30,459
is a project that's going in if

4560
03:04:30,459 --> 03:04:32,859
you're familiar in Oakland

4561
03:04:34,197 --> 03:04:34,897
Boulevard where the ymca is

4562
03:04:34,897 --> 03:04:38,497
This is across from the ymca.

4563
03:04:40,437 --> 03:04:40,904
This was a thrift store, a two

4564
03:04:40,904 --> 03:04:41,604
story building.

4565
03:04:41,604 --> 03:04:45,804
And what they did with this is

4566
03:04:46,575 --> 03:04:47,344
they preserve that sort of

4567
03:04:47,344 --> 03:04:48,110
entry facade and very cool kept

4568
03:04:48,110 --> 03:04:51,110
the trolley design and kept

4569
03:04:51,748 --> 03:04:52,349
that front mezzanine and then

4570
03:04:52,349 --> 03:04:53,183
they built up behind it.

4571
03:04:53,183 --> 03:04:57,383
You know there's a step back to

4572
03:04:57,888 --> 03:04:58,588
get that separation with

4573
03:04:58,588 --> 03:04:59,222
the existing historic building

4574
03:04:59,222 --> 03:04:59,656
but there's quite a lot of

4575
03:04:59,656 --> 03:05:00,390
housing here.

4576
03:05:00,390 --> 03:05:03,493
This is almost a whole block of

4577
03:05:03,493 --> 03:05:04,294
new affordable housing in this

4578
03:05:04,294 --> 03:05:04,694
city And again we think this is

4579
03:05:04,694 --> 03:05:06,694
a win win.

4580
03:05:09,399 --> 03:05:10,990
How did this happen?

4581
03:05:10,990 --> 03:05:10,834
Well, the historic resources

4582
03:05:10,834 --> 03:05:13,834
staff worked with the developer

4583
03:05:15,439 --> 03:05:16,139
of this project, Oakland

4584
03:05:16,139 --> 03:05:16,673
Development and they were able

4585
03:05:16,673 --> 03:05:17,374
to come up with this

4586
03:05:17,374 --> 03:05:19,774
accommodation of the historic

4587
03:05:21,177 --> 03:05:21,878
structure in the new

4588
03:05:21,878 --> 03:05:22,612
construction And this is more

4589
03:05:22,612 --> 03:05:23,346
of what we'd like to see rather

4590
03:05:23,346 --> 03:05:26,946
than just saying well we needed

4591
03:05:27,784 --> 03:05:28,417
the normal process so we can

4592
03:05:28,417 --> 03:05:29,520
just scrape our buildings

4593
03:05:29,520 --> 03:05:32,652
rather than come up with a

4594
03:05:33,289 --> 03:05:33,991
consistent creative solutions

4595
03:05:33,991 --> 03:05:36,391
for our historic preservation.

4596
03:05:36,993 --> 03:05:41,793
So I'll just say if you go to

4597
03:05:43,800 --> 03:05:44,401
the next slide our findings

4598
03:05:44,401 --> 03:05:45,680
aren't really that much

4599
03:05:45,680 --> 03:05:45,335
different than what the aba

4600
03:05:45,335 --> 03:05:47,335
did.

4601
03:05:50,373 --> 03:05:51,410
We had a study that was

4602
03:05:51,410 --> 03:05:51,642
commissioned for the idea a

4603
03:05:51,642 --> 03:05:54,642
couple of years ago that

4604
03:05:56,130 --> 03:05:56,713
largely found that historic

4605
03:05:56,713 --> 03:05:57,481
preservation was a benefit to

4606
03:05:57,481 --> 03:05:58,148
us in San Diego not a negative

4607
03:05:58,148 --> 03:06:01,148
and something that we should

4608
03:06:02,419 --> 03:06:03,187
continue to encourage.

4609
03:06:03,187 --> 03:06:06,787
And I guess just to summarize

4610
03:06:07,524 --> 03:06:08,125
what these things show is that

4611
03:06:08,125 --> 03:06:08,759
first of all the most

4612
03:06:08,759 --> 03:06:09,326
affordable home is the one

4613
03:06:09,326 --> 03:06:11,326
that's already there.

4614
03:06:13,998 --> 03:06:14,364
So preservation is very

4615
03:06:14,364 --> 03:06:15,650
important.

4616
03:06:15,650 --> 03:06:15,833
We have areas that are, you

4617
03:06:15,833 --> 03:06:18,833
know, densify and it's about

4618
03:06:21,380 --> 03:06:21,772
adding units here and they're

4619
03:06:21,772 --> 03:06:24,772
hitting singles and doubles not

4620
03:06:26,443 --> 03:06:27,144
about hitting home runs and we

4621
03:06:27,144 --> 03:06:27,745
hope that the overlay package

4622
03:06:27,745 --> 03:06:28,112
and consider everything

4623
03:06:28,112 --> 03:06:30,112
together.

4624
03:06:32,349 --> 03:06:32,850
>> Thank you.

4625
03:06:32,850 --> 03:06:33,517
>> Thank you.

4626
03:06:33,517 --> 03:06:36,517
Next is Shane Harris, public

4627
03:06:38,421 --> 03:06:39,256
advocate Shane Harris you have

4628
03:06:39,256 --> 03:06:39,923
time to go to by Keith if you

4629
03:06:39,923 --> 03:06:42,923
can please raise your hand.

4630
03:06:43,594 --> 03:06:44,428
Thank you William Korman.

4631
03:06:44,428 --> 03:06:44,862
Thank you and Sandra Strong.

4632
03:06:44,862 --> 03:06:46,862
Thank you.

4633
03:06:48,733 --> 03:06:49,433
You'll have four minutes before

4634
03:06:49,433 --> 03:06:50,134
you begin though if I can ask

4635
03:06:50,134 --> 03:06:50,734
for the following individuals

4636
03:06:50,734 --> 03:06:53,134
to please come forward.

4637
03:06:54,505 --> 03:06:55,206
Eric DeVol William Reilly, Lynn

4638
03:06:55,206 --> 03:06:55,939
Miller and Kathleen Laverty if

4639
03:06:55,939 --> 03:06:59,539
you can all please come forward

4640
03:07:00,144 --> 03:07:00,777
to the yellow reserved seats

4641
03:07:00,777 --> 03:07:01,412
and please begin already.

4642
03:07:01,412 --> 03:07:01,879
>> Thank you MADAM Clerk.

4643
03:07:01,879 --> 03:07:02,579
Good afternoon.

4644
03:07:02,579 --> 03:07:04,979
Council PRESIDENT And members

4645
03:07:06,150 --> 03:07:06,951
of the City Council.

4646
03:07:06,951 --> 03:07:07,617
My name is Shane Harris and I

4647
03:07:07,617 --> 03:07:07,985
serve as a San Diego public

4648
03:07:07,985 --> 03:07:09,985
advocate.

4649
03:07:12,230 --> 03:07:12,657
Over the past year my office

4650
03:07:12,657 --> 03:07:13,256
has stood with homeowners,

4651
03:07:13,256 --> 03:07:13,924
historians, architects,

4652
03:07:13,924 --> 03:07:15,924
neighborhood planning groups

4653
03:07:18,290 --> 03:07:18,663
Soho and stakeholders citywide

4654
03:07:18,663 --> 03:07:21,663
to defend the integrity of

4655
03:07:23,700 --> 03:07:24,402
the Mills Act and San Diego's

4656
03:07:24,402 --> 03:07:25,300
historic preservation process.

4657
03:07:25,300 --> 03:07:25,569
When concerns grew about

4658
03:07:25,569 --> 03:07:27,569
weakening preservation

4659
03:07:29,807 --> 03:07:30,141
protections, I didn't stay

4660
03:07:30,141 --> 03:07:30,740
silent.

4661
03:07:30,740 --> 03:07:31,375
I launched the Hands off

4662
03:07:31,375 --> 03:07:33,775
the Mills Act initiative.

4663
03:07:34,778 --> 03:07:35,346
I met with residents who

4664
03:07:35,346 --> 03:07:36,460
invested their savings

4665
03:07:36,460 --> 03:07:36,514
restoring historic homes under

4666
03:07:36,514 --> 03:07:38,514
city guidelines.

4667
03:07:41,719 --> 03:07:42,419
I spoke with historians who

4668
03:07:42,419 --> 03:07:43,154
spent decades documenting San

4669
03:07:43,154 --> 03:07:46,754
Diego's story and I worked with

4670
03:07:47,457 --> 03:07:48,159
community leaders who

4671
03:07:48,159 --> 03:07:48,526
understood preservation isn't

4672
03:07:48,526 --> 03:07:49,260
nostalgia.

4673
03:07:49,260 --> 03:07:51,260
It's stewardship,

4674
03:07:53,131 --> 03:07:53,865
accountability and fairness.

4675
03:07:53,865 --> 03:07:54,432
What I heard across San Diego

4676
03:07:54,432 --> 03:07:56,832
was simple and clear.

4677
03:07:59,871 --> 03:08:00,571
People want preservation done

4678
03:08:00,571 --> 03:08:01,500
transparently, professionally

4679
03:08:01,500 --> 03:08:03,500
and equitably.

4680
03:08:05,430 --> 03:08:05,677
Today we're discussing item 332

4681
03:08:05,677 --> 03:08:06,377
Preservation in progress.

4682
03:08:06,377 --> 03:08:09,977
But key parts of this package

4683
03:08:10,815 --> 03:08:11,416
move us away from preservation

4684
03:08:11,416 --> 03:08:12,150
,not toward it.

4685
03:08:12,150 --> 03:08:12,850
Let me say clearly the folks

4686
03:08:12,850 --> 03:08:15,850
standing behind me or sitting

4687
03:08:17,121 --> 03:08:17,789
behind me are not NIMBYs.

4688
03:08:17,789 --> 03:08:18,456
They are not anti housing.

4689
03:08:18,456 --> 03:08:19,123
You can be pro housing and

4690
03:08:19,123 --> 03:08:22,123
still demand a fair process.

4691
03:08:23,260 --> 03:08:23,895
You can support development and

4692
03:08:23,895 --> 03:08:24,562
still expect developers to

4693
03:08:24,562 --> 03:08:25,129
engage neighborhoods in good

4694
03:08:25,129 --> 03:08:27,529
faith and build trust.

4695
03:08:29,467 --> 03:08:30,234
Many developers do that.

4696
03:08:30,234 --> 03:08:30,869
But too often this conversation

4697
03:08:30,869 --> 03:08:33,869
has been driven by talking

4698
03:08:34,806 --> 03:08:35,473
points that communities and

4699
03:08:35,473 --> 03:08:36,700
neighborhoods like obstacles

4700
03:08:36,700 --> 03:08:36,641
instead of partners.

4701
03:08:36,641 --> 03:08:40,241
And that's not how you get

4702
03:08:41,479 --> 03:08:42,113
housing done or trust built.

4703
03:08:42,113 --> 03:08:42,580
The debate is not housing

4704
03:08:42,580 --> 03:08:44,580
versus history.

4705
03:08:46,985 --> 03:08:47,352
It's about balance, integrity

4706
03:08:47,352 --> 03:08:47,986
and trust.

4707
03:08:47,986 --> 03:08:48,586
One of the most concerning

4708
03:08:48,586 --> 03:08:50,986
elements is the proposed

4709
03:08:53,291 --> 03:08:54,250
Ennoble appeal process which

4710
03:08:54,250 --> 03:08:54,726
would allow the City Council to

4711
03:08:54,726 --> 03:08:56,726
substitute political judgment

4712
03:08:58,730 --> 03:08:59,431
for expert determinations of

4713
03:08:59,431 --> 03:08:59,998
the Historic Resources Board.

4714
03:08:59,998 --> 03:09:02,398
For more than 20 years

4715
03:09:05,570 --> 03:09:06,271
the historic resources Board

4716
03:09:06,271 --> 03:09:06,905
nor this Council has supported

4717
03:09:06,905 --> 03:09:09,905
a de novo process because

4718
03:09:10,809 --> 03:09:11,543
historic designation requires

4719
03:09:11,543 --> 03:09:12,244
specialized expertise, training

4720
03:09:12,244 --> 03:09:12,744
and consistent application of

4721
03:09:12,744 --> 03:09:14,744
adopted criteria.

4722
03:09:18,416 --> 03:09:19,500
The hrp is made up of

4723
03:09:19,500 --> 03:09:19,684
architects, historians and

4724
03:09:19,684 --> 03:09:21,684
qualified citizen experts

4725
03:09:23,754 --> 03:09:24,289
appointed specifically to

4726
03:09:24,289 --> 03:09:24,923
evaluate historical

4727
03:09:24,923 --> 03:09:25,590
significance respectfully.

4728
03:09:25,590 --> 03:09:29,790
None of you none of the City

4729
03:09:30,228 --> 03:09:30,896
Council has that specialized

4730
03:09:30,896 --> 03:09:31,563
experience nor long standing

4731
03:09:31,563 --> 03:09:34,563
history serving as the body

4732
03:09:35,801 --> 03:09:36,201
that conducts historical

4733
03:09:36,201 --> 03:09:36,901
assessments.

4734
03:09:36,901 --> 03:09:39,301
Council's role is legislative

4735
03:09:42,207 --> 03:09:42,874
solely the authorities whose

4736
03:09:42,874 --> 03:09:43,542
role is technical, technical

4737
03:09:43,542 --> 03:09:46,542
and evaluate of those roles

4738
03:09:47,913 --> 03:09:48,513
were intentionally separated

4739
03:09:48,513 --> 03:09:49,180
like church and state.

4740
03:09:49,180 --> 03:09:49,780
And when those lines blur,

4741
03:09:49,780 --> 03:09:50,115
confidence in the system

4742
03:09:50,115 --> 03:09:52,115
erodes.

4743
03:09:54,253 --> 03:09:54,886
Limiting citizen appeal rights

4744
03:09:54,886 --> 03:09:55,520
for non designations also

4745
03:09:55,520 --> 03:09:57,920
raises serious equity and

4746
03:10:00,225 --> 03:10:00,893
participation concerns.

4747
03:10:00,893 --> 03:10:01,593
If we are serious about

4748
03:10:01,593 --> 03:10:04,593
inclusion my friends we should

4749
03:10:06,398 --> 03:10:07,132
not narrow the public's ability

4750
03:10:07,132 --> 03:10:07,599
to engage decisions that shape

4751
03:10:07,599 --> 03:10:08,267
their community.

4752
03:10:08,267 --> 03:10:08,699
Now my office is not here to

4753
03:10:08,699 --> 03:10:10,699
simply oppose.

4754
03:10:12,671 --> 03:10:13,305
We're here to propose with

4755
03:10:13,305 --> 03:10:14,390
the proposed amendments to

4756
03:10:14,390 --> 03:10:16,439
strengthen this package, remove

4757
03:10:18,377 --> 03:10:19,770
the de novo appeal and keep

4758
03:10:19,770 --> 03:10:19,711
appellate structure focused on

4759
03:10:19,711 --> 03:10:21,711
procedural compliance not

4760
03:10:24,483 --> 03:10:25,150
political Re hearing to retain

4761
03:10:25,150 --> 03:10:25,717
parity and appeal rights So

4762
03:10:25,717 --> 03:10:26,118
fairness runs in both

4763
03:10:26,118 --> 03:10:28,118
directions.

4764
03:10:29,200 --> 03:10:29,755
Three Pass final action until

4765
03:10:29,755 --> 03:10:32,155
the independent economic equity

4766
03:10:34,893 --> 03:10:35,394
and climate analysis is fully

4767
03:10:35,394 --> 03:10:35,694
reviewed publicly.

4768
03:10:35,694 --> 03:10:36,395
Four.

4769
03:10:36,395 --> 03:10:36,996
Before altering protections in

4770
03:10:36,996 --> 03:10:38,996
emerging historic areas

4771
03:10:40,833 --> 03:10:41,534
complete comprehensive surveys

4772
03:10:41,534 --> 03:10:41,899
so decisions are informed and

4773
03:10:41,899 --> 03:10:42,568
accurate.

4774
03:10:42,568 --> 03:10:42,935
These amendments don't stop

4775
03:10:42,935 --> 03:10:44,935
progress.

4776
03:10:47,706 --> 03:10:48,407
They improve it.

4777
03:10:48,407 --> 03:10:49,108
San Diego is already losing

4778
03:10:49,108 --> 03:10:49,808
historic resources every year.

4779
03:10:49,808 --> 03:10:53,408
From La Hoya to Pacific Beach

4780
03:10:53,679 --> 03:10:54,346
County to submission, Hill's

4781
03:10:54,346 --> 03:10:54,813
bankruptcy will go down hill

4782
03:10:54,813 --> 03:10:55,347
Sherman Heights.

4783
03:10:55,347 --> 03:10:57,747
This item is called

4784
03:10:59,151 --> 03:10:59,818
Preservation of Progress.

4785
03:10:59,818 --> 03:11:00,486
>> Let's ensure preservation

4786
03:11:00,486 --> 03:11:01,860
actually remains in it real

4787
03:11:01,860 --> 03:11:03,860
progress going forward.

4788
03:11:10,563 --> 03:11:11,630
Thank you Erik Duvall.

4789
03:11:11,630 --> 03:11:11,730
>> Good afternoon.

4790
03:11:11,730 --> 03:11:12,264
Erik Duvall from Ocean Beach

4791
03:11:12,264 --> 03:11:12,932
Historical Society.

4792
03:11:12,932 --> 03:11:16,435
But I was with that I would

4793
03:11:16,435 --> 03:11:17,203
have my remarks on a phone.

4794
03:11:17,203 --> 03:11:20,803
I can see that right now.

4795
03:11:21,607 --> 03:11:22,108
I would encourage you folks to

4796
03:11:22,108 --> 03:11:22,775
reject package a.

4797
03:11:22,775 --> 03:11:23,375
I would encourage you to

4798
03:11:23,375 --> 03:11:25,375
actually represent your

4799
03:11:27,713 --> 03:11:28,314
communities as opposed to green

4800
03:11:28,314 --> 03:11:30,314
groups not supporting

4801
03:11:33,919 --> 03:11:34,653
the communities This is a

4802
03:11:34,653 --> 03:11:35,288
historic resources board as you

4803
03:11:35,288 --> 03:11:35,623
know did not support this

4804
03:11:35,623 --> 03:11:37,623
package.

4805
03:11:39,759 --> 03:11:40,359
The Ocean Beach Historic

4806
03:11:40,359 --> 03:11:40,993
District needs the full

4807
03:11:40,993 --> 03:11:41,361
comprehensive survey to be

4808
03:11:41,361 --> 03:11:43,361
completed.

4809
03:11:45,965 --> 03:11:46,231
Ocean Beach is already built

4810
03:11:46,231 --> 03:11:46,966
out.

4811
03:11:46,966 --> 03:11:49,966
It is already densely populated

4812
03:11:50,703 --> 03:11:51,571
narrow streets, tiny lots and

4813
03:11:51,571 --> 03:11:52,238
on street parking has been at a

4814
03:11:52,238 --> 03:11:54,638
premium for decades plural.

4815
03:11:57,410 --> 03:11:58,440
At this point please vote to

4816
03:11:58,440 --> 03:11:58,678
support the community over

4817
03:11:58,678 --> 03:11:59,144
the special interests and

4818
03:11:59,144 --> 03:12:01,144
reject package.

4819
03:12:02,982 --> 03:12:04,982
Thank you.

4820
03:12:10,123 --> 03:12:10,990
>> William Reilly William

4821
03:12:10,990 --> 03:12:11,524
Reilly You have time to go to

4822
03:12:11,524 --> 03:12:11,958
you by Lorna Field.

4823
03:12:11,958 --> 03:12:12,325
>> Thank you.

4824
03:12:12,325 --> 03:12:12,958
All right.

4825
03:12:12,958 --> 03:12:15,495
My name is William Reilly.

4826
03:12:15,495 --> 03:12:16,161
I came to San Diego just shy of

4827
03:12:16,161 --> 03:12:19,161
50 years ago when I joined

4828
03:12:21,267 --> 03:12:21,675
the Navy and I was stationed at

4829
03:12:21,675 --> 03:12:22,268
Coronado.

4830
03:12:22,268 --> 03:12:23,203
I went to boot camp here.

4831
03:12:23,203 --> 03:12:26,803
I lived for two years in

4832
03:12:26,906 --> 03:12:27,739
Imperial Beach.

4833
03:12:27,739 --> 03:12:30,739
28 years in Pacific Beach and

4834
03:12:33,113 --> 03:12:33,880
18 years in Ocean Beach.

4835
03:12:33,880 --> 03:12:34,514
In six months we made more

4836
03:12:34,514 --> 03:12:37,514
connections than we did in

4837
03:12:37,983 --> 03:12:38,718
Pacific Beach In 28 years

4838
03:12:38,718 --> 03:12:42,722
Because O.B. Is a community and

4839
03:12:42,722 --> 03:12:43,590
they care about their people.

4840
03:12:43,590 --> 03:12:44,257
And when I got here all

4841
03:12:44,257 --> 03:12:47,257
the places seemed all little

4842
03:12:49,950 --> 03:12:49,662
town seemed like small separate

4843
03:12:49,662 --> 03:12:50,363
communities in and of

4844
03:12:50,363 --> 03:12:53,363
themselves which have all been

4845
03:12:55,100 --> 03:12:58,700
built in in between ever since.

4846
03:13:00,740 --> 03:13:01,441
But I believe that if

4847
03:13:01,441 --> 03:13:02,208
the council votes to put this

4848
03:13:02,208 --> 03:13:05,808
package forward we are going to

4849
03:13:06,646 --> 03:13:07,414
lose community.

4850
03:13:07,414 --> 03:13:07,714
Community in my sense is common

4851
03:13:07,714 --> 03:13:09,714
unity.

4852
03:13:12,319 --> 03:13:12,952
That's all of us working

4853
03:13:12,952 --> 03:13:13,887
together toward community.

4854
03:13:13,887 --> 03:13:18,870
And I believe that if this goes

4855
03:13:18,858 --> 03:13:19,459
forward the city council is

4856
03:13:19,459 --> 03:13:21,859
going to hand outside

4857
03:13:25,232 --> 03:13:25,600
developers and outside

4858
03:13:25,600 --> 03:13:27,600
investors.

4859
03:13:31,271 --> 03:13:31,605
San Diego's heart and soul on a

4860
03:13:31,605 --> 03:13:32,405
platter.

4861
03:13:32,405 --> 03:13:36,605
And I would just like to say

4862
03:13:37,244 --> 03:13:37,743
that complete communities is a

4863
03:13:37,743 --> 03:13:38,445
complete misnomer.

4864
03:13:38,445 --> 03:13:42,450
If this goes forward it should

4865
03:13:43,683 --> 03:13:44,150
be called complete annihilation

4866
03:13:44,150 --> 03:13:44,584
of communities.

4867
03:13:44,584 --> 03:13:45,850
>> Thank you.

4868
03:13:45,850 --> 03:13:47,850
William I'm sorry.

4869
03:13:49,890 --> 03:13:50,590
That was William Lynn Miller.

4870
03:13:50,590 --> 03:13:53,590
Lynn, you have several people

4871
03:13:55,162 --> 03:13:55,995
sitting your time.

4872
03:13:55,995 --> 03:13:56,696
If I can have the following

4873
03:13:56,696 --> 03:13:56,997
individuals please raise their

4874
03:13:56,997 --> 03:13:58,997
hand.

4875
03:14:01,268 --> 03:14:03,668
Barbara Holton Chris Baca

4876
03:14:06,440 --> 03:14:08,440
Alpaca Bell.

4877
03:14:12,946 --> 03:14:13,480
>> Amanda Baca.

4878
03:14:13,480 --> 03:14:15,480
>> Rosemary Sutter.

4879
03:14:19,153 --> 03:14:19,586
Arlene Fink.

4880
03:14:19,586 --> 03:14:20,190
Evelyn Viera.

4881
03:14:20,190 --> 03:14:22,190
Corey Miller.

4882
03:14:24,724 --> 03:14:25,492
James Miller.

4883
03:14:25,492 --> 03:14:26,260
I don't see a James Miller

4884
03:14:26,260 --> 03:14:26,393
raising their hand.

4885
03:14:26,393 --> 03:14:28,393
Oh sorry.

4886
03:14:30,130 --> 03:14:32,130
Thank you.

4887
03:14:35,869 --> 03:14:36,270
Meredith Holton Templeton.

4888
03:14:36,270 --> 03:14:36,737
Bill Wilson.

4889
03:14:36,737 --> 03:14:38,737
Janet Griffith.

4890
03:14:42,742 --> 03:14:43,510
Griffin Thank you.

4891
03:14:43,510 --> 03:14:46,510
And Colleen Little That is 15.

4892
03:14:47,915 --> 03:14:48,315
Please proceed.

4893
03:14:48,315 --> 03:14:48,916
Thank you.

4894
03:14:48,916 --> 03:14:51,316
Hello, I'm Glenn Miller.

4895
03:14:54,688 --> 03:14:55,389
I'm with Coastal caretakers.

4896
03:14:55,389 --> 03:14:56,230
We are opposed to

4897
03:14:56,230 --> 03:14:56,457
the modification known as

4898
03:14:56,457 --> 03:14:58,457
Package eight.

4899
03:15:00,427 --> 03:15:01,195
I'm a native optician.

4900
03:15:01,195 --> 03:15:01,695
My family has been there for

4901
03:15:01,695 --> 03:15:03,695
four generations.

4902
03:15:06,333 --> 03:15:07,340
We attended the elementary

4903
03:15:07,340 --> 03:15:07,635
schools there, Graduated from

4904
03:15:07,635 --> 03:15:08,335
Point Loma High School.

4905
03:15:08,335 --> 03:15:11,935
I'm here because I care about

4906
03:15:12,373 --> 03:15:13,400
Ocean Beach which is one of

4907
03:15:13,400 --> 03:15:13,841
the treasures of San Diego.

4908
03:15:13,841 --> 03:15:18,410
But what I say to you about

4909
03:15:18,279 --> 03:15:18,846
Ocean Beach can be applied to

4910
03:15:18,846 --> 03:15:19,246
homes in all of our

4911
03:15:19,246 --> 03:15:21,246
communities.

4912
03:15:24,719 --> 03:15:25,419
What has remained the same are

4913
03:15:25,419 --> 03:15:25,886
the people who choose to live

4914
03:15:25,886 --> 03:15:27,886
in Ocean Beach.

4915
03:15:30,857 --> 03:15:31,424
O.B. Attracts outliers

4916
03:15:31,424 --> 03:15:33,424
mavericks, iconoclasts

4917
03:15:36,597 --> 03:15:36,970
the faces of the people change

4918
03:15:36,970 --> 03:15:37,565
.

4919
03:15:37,565 --> 03:15:38,264
But there is a rebellious

4920
03:15:38,264 --> 03:15:41,264
nature that runs through time.

4921
03:15:42,469 --> 03:15:43,103
These outliers did not choose

4922
03:15:43,103 --> 03:15:43,804
to have more controls and

4923
03:15:43,804 --> 03:15:46,204
regulations on their personal

4924
03:15:48,843 --> 03:15:49,210
property by certifying them

4925
03:15:49,210 --> 03:15:51,210
historic.

4926
03:15:54,315 --> 03:15:55,490
I'm sure they asked what are

4927
03:15:55,490 --> 03:15:55,549
the benefits as opposed to what

4928
03:15:55,549 --> 03:15:57,549
are the downsides?

4929
03:16:00,788 --> 03:16:01,389
The city of San Diego targeted

4930
03:16:01,389 --> 03:16:02,123
Ocean Beach as the only

4931
03:16:02,123 --> 03:16:05,123
historic district that would be

4932
03:16:06,594 --> 03:16:07,428
excluded from the exemption.

4933
03:16:07,428 --> 03:16:08,290
That means Ohb would receive no

4934
03:16:08,290 --> 03:16:10,290
protection from complete

4935
03:16:13,340 --> 03:16:13,900
communities building.

4936
03:16:13,900 --> 03:16:17,500
Package a is intended to give

4937
03:16:18,973 --> 03:16:19,573
complete community legal rights

4938
03:16:19,573 --> 03:16:21,973
to build in obeying.

4939
03:16:23,645 --> 03:16:24,344
I have a question for you Had

4940
03:16:24,344 --> 03:16:27,344
you already decided how you're

4941
03:16:27,448 --> 03:16:29,448
going to vote?

4942
03:16:34,288 --> 03:16:35,156
Are we wasting our time here?

4943
03:16:35,156 --> 03:16:35,456
>> It feels that way from this

4944
03:16:35,456 --> 03:16:37,456
side.

4945
03:16:40,928 --> 03:16:41,629
Doesn't mean it's true but it

4946
03:16:41,629 --> 03:16:42,363
feels that way from the side.

4947
03:16:42,363 --> 03:16:45,963
From over here it seems like

4948
03:16:46,340 --> 03:16:46,601
your focus is meeting

4949
03:16:46,601 --> 03:16:47,301
benchmarks mandated by

4950
03:16:47,301 --> 03:16:50,301
the state rather than serving

4951
03:16:52,207 --> 03:16:53,740
your constituents.

4952
03:16:53,740 --> 03:16:57,274
You are not hearing us and you

4953
03:16:57,712 --> 03:16:58,790
are silencing our voices in so

4954
03:16:58,790 --> 03:16:58,613
many ways.

4955
03:16:58,613 --> 03:16:59,347
You no longer honor

4956
03:16:59,347 --> 03:17:01,747
the recommendations of planning

4957
03:17:04,118 --> 03:17:04,519
boards which are the voices of

4958
03:17:04,519 --> 03:17:06,519
the people.

4959
03:17:06,888 --> 03:17:07,755
You use ministerial procedures

4960
03:17:07,755 --> 03:17:10,755
that silence the voice of

4961
03:17:13,695 --> 03:17:14,496
the people.

4962
03:17:14,496 --> 03:17:15,196
You wait until the last minute

4963
03:17:15,196 --> 03:17:18,196
to post agendas for committee

4964
03:17:19,601 --> 03:17:20,301
or council or council meetings

4965
03:17:20,301 --> 03:17:20,668
which takes away our power to

4966
03:17:20,668 --> 03:17:22,668
organize.

4967
03:17:26,107 --> 03:17:26,741
You delete documents from

4968
03:17:26,741 --> 03:17:27,108
websites that support our

4969
03:17:27,108 --> 03:17:28,243
arguments.

4970
03:17:28,243 --> 03:17:32,443
We are asking you to listen to

4971
03:17:34,749 --> 03:17:35,582
our voices.

4972
03:17:35,582 --> 03:17:35,983
>> You have a misconception of

4973
03:17:35,983 --> 03:17:37,983
Ocean Beach.

4974
03:17:40,555 --> 03:17:41,523
There is a bumper sticker that

4975
03:17:41,523 --> 03:17:44,523
says Ocean Beach is beside

4976
03:17:47,629 --> 03:17:48,396
the point.

4977
03:17:48,396 --> 03:17:48,997
Point Loma is on top of

4978
03:17:48,997 --> 03:17:49,664
the hill facing the bay.

4979
03:17:49,664 --> 03:17:53,100
Ocean Beach is on the other

4980
03:17:53,100 --> 03:17:53,368
side of the hill facing

4981
03:17:53,368 --> 03:17:54,350
the ocean.

4982
03:17:54,350 --> 03:17:54,669
Point Loma and historically

4983
03:17:54,669 --> 03:17:57,669
were the wealthier side of

4984
03:17:59,775 --> 03:18:00,509
the hill options were on

4985
03:18:00,509 --> 03:18:01,176
the other side of the hill with

4986
03:18:01,176 --> 03:18:04,776
low to income but low to

4987
03:18:05,246 --> 03:18:05,781
moderate incomes, smaller homes

4988
03:18:05,781 --> 03:18:06,181
and many, many, many

4989
03:18:06,181 --> 03:18:06,882
apartments.

4990
03:18:06,882 --> 03:18:09,882
In fact Ocean Beach according

4991
03:18:11,887 --> 03:18:14,287
to current 2026 data has

4992
03:18:16,158 --> 03:18:18,158
approximately 63% of houses

4993
03:18:20,962 --> 03:18:21,430
renter occupied while 37% are

4994
03:18:21,430 --> 03:18:23,430
owner occupied.

4995
03:18:26,902 --> 03:18:27,569
We are not trying to stand in

4996
03:18:27,569 --> 03:18:28,300
the way of positive change.

4997
03:18:28,300 --> 03:18:30,300
We welcome it.

4998
03:18:32,207 --> 03:18:32,608
We are asking you to listen to

4999
03:18:32,608 --> 03:18:33,108
us.

5000
03:18:33,108 --> 03:18:35,108
Are you listening?

5001
03:18:39,140 --> 03:18:39,448
Look at the conditions of

5002
03:18:39,448 --> 03:18:40,182
the roadways.

5003
03:18:40,182 --> 03:18:44,382
The city in their rush to build

5004
03:18:44,853 --> 03:18:45,454
has not built an infrastructure

5005
03:18:45,454 --> 03:18:46,540
that will come that will

5006
03:18:46,540 --> 03:18:48,540
accommodate more people.

5007
03:18:50,559 --> 03:18:51,160
Come to Ocean Beach now during

5008
03:18:51,160 --> 03:18:51,860
peak traffic It takes 20

5009
03:18:51,860 --> 03:18:55,460
minutes to get to the freeway

5010
03:18:55,831 --> 03:18:56,498
And then when you get to

5011
03:18:56,498 --> 03:18:59,498
the freeway it's like you've

5012
03:19:01,502 --> 03:19:01,804
been transported to Los Angeles

5013
03:19:01,804 --> 03:19:02,471
.

5014
03:19:02,471 --> 03:19:05,471
Midway Rising will feed into

5015
03:19:07,642 --> 03:19:08,277
that same freeway Pretending

5016
03:19:08,277 --> 03:19:08,844
that Ocean Beach has rapid

5017
03:19:08,844 --> 03:19:10,844
transit is dishonest.

5018
03:19:14,150 --> 03:19:18,815
We have a bus line and no plans

5019
03:19:19,121 --> 03:19:19,421
or money to build rapid transit

5020
03:19:19,421 --> 03:19:20,289
.

5021
03:19:20,289 --> 03:19:20,923
If the city does not have money

5022
03:19:20,923 --> 03:19:23,923
to replace light bulbs and

5023
03:19:25,327 --> 03:19:25,928
street lights, where will they

5024
03:19:25,928 --> 03:19:26,629
find the money to build

5025
03:19:26,629 --> 03:19:28,629
the necessary infrastructure?

5026
03:19:31,433 --> 03:19:32,134
Obie is the last SoCal beach

5027
03:19:32,134 --> 03:19:35,134
town to maintain its authentic

5028
03:19:36,839 --> 03:19:37,673
scale and feel.

5029
03:19:37,673 --> 03:19:38,374
In the 1950s the waves of Ocean

5030
03:19:38,374 --> 03:19:41,374
Beach carried surfers on long

5031
03:19:43,120 --> 03:19:43,713
wooden boards and O.B. Locals

5032
03:19:43,713 --> 03:19:46,713
contributed to the growth of

5033
03:19:48,317 --> 03:19:49,180
surfing in the 1960s.

5034
03:19:49,180 --> 03:19:52,180
The village became known as

5035
03:19:54,724 --> 03:19:55,357
the riot zone because there was

5036
03:19:55,357 --> 03:19:55,757
police action against O.B.

5037
03:19:55,757 --> 03:19:56,325
Protesters.

5038
03:19:56,325 --> 03:19:58,325
Protesters who opposed

5039
03:20:00,296 --> 03:20:00,962
the Vietnam War.

5040
03:20:00,962 --> 03:20:01,630
These colorful artists and

5041
03:20:01,630 --> 03:20:04,300
activists earned Ocean Beach

5042
03:20:05,534 --> 03:20:06,202
the title of Southern

5043
03:20:06,202 --> 03:20:08,202
California's Haight-Ashbury.

5044
03:20:12,308 --> 03:20:13,900
What is now becomes the past

5045
03:20:13,900 --> 03:20:13,342
and then it becomes part of

5046
03:20:13,342 --> 03:20:15,342
history.

5047
03:20:18,881 --> 03:20:19,515
The 50s, 60s and 70s should be

5048
03:20:19,515 --> 03:20:22,515
included in O.B. History.

5049
03:20:24,923 --> 03:20:27,923
>> In 1999 the city decided to

5050
03:20:30,292 --> 03:20:30,993
reframe the district as I'll

5051
03:20:30,993 --> 03:20:31,594
try to say this right.

5052
03:20:31,594 --> 03:20:32,227
The Ocean Beach Cottage

5053
03:20:32,227 --> 03:20:34,227
Emerging History Historic

5054
03:20:36,231 --> 03:20:36,732
District and make it a

5055
03:20:36,732 --> 03:20:37,466
volunteer process.

5056
03:20:37,466 --> 03:20:41,660
How do you think those outliers

5057
03:20:41,700 --> 03:20:44,700
felt about volunteering to be

5058
03:20:47,377 --> 03:20:48,440
historic?

5059
03:20:48,440 --> 03:20:48,744
Our ocean or Ocean Beach

5060
03:20:48,744 --> 03:20:51,744
history should not be limited

5061
03:20:53,550 --> 03:20:54,417
to trolley car cottages.

5062
03:20:54,417 --> 03:20:58,170
Our history is more than that.

5063
03:20:59,291 --> 03:20:59,622
The new name erases some of our

5064
03:20:59,622 --> 03:21:00,290
history.

5065
03:21:00,290 --> 03:21:02,690
Ocean Beach history includes

5066
03:21:05,929 --> 03:21:06,596
churches, church row,

5067
03:21:06,596 --> 03:21:07,330
the library, the elementary

5068
03:21:07,330 --> 03:21:10,330
school, the surfing culture and

5069
03:21:11,200 --> 03:21:11,668
the activist subculture as well

5070
03:21:11,668 --> 03:21:13,668
as the cottages.

5071
03:21:17,730 --> 03:21:17,706
We suggest that Ocean Beach

5072
03:21:17,706 --> 03:21:19,706
Historic District becomes

5073
03:21:23,460 --> 03:21:23,480
the official name with over

5074
03:21:23,480 --> 03:21:24,800
3000 parcels.

5075
03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:24,714
The Ocean Beach Historic

5076
03:21:24,714 --> 03:21:26,714
District is geographically

5077
03:21:29,152 --> 03:21:29,652
the largest historic district

5078
03:21:29,652 --> 03:21:30,620
in San Diego.

5079
03:21:30,620 --> 03:21:34,820
Its massive size is why it is

5080
03:21:35,624 --> 03:21:36,580
being targeted for

5081
03:21:36,580 --> 03:21:36,793
deregulation.

5082
03:21:36,793 --> 03:21:37,527
The developer's projected rents

5083
03:21:37,527 --> 03:21:41,127
and profits explain the rush to

5084
03:21:41,531 --> 03:21:42,298
build.

5085
03:21:42,298 --> 03:21:44,698
Beyond the historic designation

5086
03:21:47,871 --> 03:21:48,538
lies greater concerns.

5087
03:21:48,538 --> 03:21:49,339
Proposition d The coastal

5088
03:21:49,339 --> 03:21:52,909
height limit was voted on and

5089
03:21:52,909 --> 03:21:53,676
passed in 1972.

5090
03:21:53,676 --> 03:21:56,760
Its law It prohibits

5091
03:21:58,415 --> 03:21:59,820
the construction of any

5092
03:21:59,820 --> 03:22:02,820
building taller than 30ft in

5093
03:22:04,488 --> 03:22:05,187
the coastal zone that is

5094
03:22:05,187 --> 03:22:05,722
the area between Pacific Ocean

5095
03:22:05,722 --> 03:22:06,423
and Interstate five.

5096
03:22:06,423 --> 03:22:09,423
That means Ocean Beach, Point

5097
03:22:10,594 --> 03:22:10,927
Loma and Sunset Cliffs are west

5098
03:22:10,927 --> 03:22:12,927
of I-5.

5099
03:22:16,733 --> 03:22:17,501
Therefore even if you choose to

5100
03:22:17,501 --> 03:22:21,101
vote for package and it passes

5101
03:22:21,204 --> 03:22:21,972
complete communities cannot

5102
03:22:21,972 --> 03:22:24,972
build legally above the 30 foot

5103
03:22:27,143 --> 03:22:27,743
height limit.

5104
03:22:27,743 --> 03:22:28,445
Water runs downhill onto

5105
03:22:28,445 --> 03:22:32,450
the cliffs and into the ocean.

5106
03:22:33,582 --> 03:22:34,284
Ocean Beach is a sensitive

5107
03:22:34,284 --> 03:22:37,284
geologic zone and flood zone.

5108
03:22:39,890 --> 03:22:39,756
The city should require

5109
03:22:39,756 --> 03:22:42,156
California Coastal Zone ceqa

5110
03:22:45,428 --> 03:22:45,796
and Air evaluations on every

5111
03:22:45,796 --> 03:22:46,396
structure.

5112
03:22:46,396 --> 03:22:48,796
Instead they waive these

5113
03:22:50,634 --> 03:22:51,601
requirements.

5114
03:22:51,601 --> 03:22:54,601
>> >> We propose that you vote

5115
03:22:57,641 --> 03:22:58,241
no on package a and change

5116
03:22:58,241 --> 03:23:01,241
the name to Ocean Beach

5117
03:23:03,780 --> 03:23:04,648
Historic District.

5118
03:23:04,648 --> 03:23:05,150
That would solve a lot of

5119
03:23:05,150 --> 03:23:05,516
problems.

5120
03:23:05,516 --> 03:23:05,983
There is a thong.

5121
03:23:05,983 --> 03:23:07,983
I'm almost done.

5122
03:23:10,821 --> 03:23:11,488
There's a song that was written

5123
03:23:11,488 --> 03:23:13,888
called Starry Starry Night.

5124
03:23:15,192 --> 03:23:15,593
Remember I'm not going to sing

5125
03:23:15,593 --> 03:23:16,360
it.

5126
03:23:16,360 --> 03:23:16,627
I promised my family I would

5127
03:23:16,627 --> 03:23:17,260
not.

5128
03:23:17,260 --> 03:23:20,260
But we feel like this.

5129
03:23:21,599 --> 03:23:22,233
They were not listening.

5130
03:23:22,233 --> 03:23:24,201
They did not know how.

5131
03:23:24,201 --> 03:23:26,601
Perhaps they'll listen now.

5132
03:23:30,874 --> 03:23:31,442
>> Thank you.

5133
03:23:31,442 --> 03:23:33,442
>> Next is Kathleen.

5134
03:23:38,115 --> 03:23:38,682
After that if I can have

5135
03:23:38,682 --> 03:23:38,916
Natalie Barron, Diane

5136
03:23:38,916 --> 03:23:39,450
So

5137
03:23:39,450 --> 03:23:41,850
derberg, Dean Glass, Sharon

5138
03:23:44,321 --> 03:23:45,220
Gill and Barry Hucker please

5139
03:23:45,220 --> 03:23:45,322
come up to the yellow reserved

5140
03:23:45,322 --> 03:23:46,230
seats.

5141
03:23:46,230 --> 03:23:49,460
Kathleen you have time to away

5142
03:23:49,460 --> 03:23:49,860
Scott Francis.

5143
03:23:49,860 --> 03:23:50,461
Thank you.

5144
03:23:50,461 --> 03:23:50,961
And Marianne call them.

5145
03:23:50,961 --> 03:23:51,595
Thank you so much.

5146
03:23:51,595 --> 03:23:52,630
You'll have three minutes.

5147
03:23:52,630 --> 03:23:54,630
Please proceed.

5148
03:23:54,632 --> 03:23:55,399
Thank you.

5149
03:23:55,399 --> 03:23:56,000
If you guys can move forward

5150
03:23:56,000 --> 03:23:59,000
here and instead of your

5151
03:24:00,304 --> 03:24:01,105
computers for a few minutes, I

5152
03:24:01,105 --> 03:24:05,305
want to take you back in time.

5153
03:24:05,508 --> 03:24:06,210
This is a historic 1887

5154
03:24:06,210 --> 03:24:09,210
subdivision map of Ocean Beach

5155
03:24:11,820 --> 03:24:11,682
which a long time friend of

5156
03:24:11,682 --> 03:24:14,682
mine had in his work.

5157
03:24:16,954 --> 03:24:20,554
We have sub standard five lots.

5158
03:24:24,950 --> 03:24:24,862
>> We already have gradients.

5159
03:24:24,862 --> 03:24:25,563
Some of these lots are over

5160
03:24:25,563 --> 03:24:25,829
eight and the size of a normal

5161
03:24:25,829 --> 03:24:27,829
lot.

5162
03:24:29,967 --> 03:24:30,635
You can see them here when they

5163
03:24:30,635 --> 03:24:30,935
first did the subdivisions.

5164
03:24:30,935 --> 03:24:32,935
Okay.

5165
03:24:35,773 --> 03:24:36,440
Also we had sand dunes there

5166
03:24:36,440 --> 03:24:36,774
and they lie under some of

5167
03:24:36,774 --> 03:24:38,774
this.

5168
03:24:41,913 --> 03:24:46,113
We have flooding and in here it

5169
03:24:47,384 --> 03:24:47,731
shows where the natural springs

5170
03:24:47,731 --> 03:24:48,353
are.

5171
03:24:48,353 --> 03:24:50,753
Remember the Lamborghinis that

5172
03:24:53,458 --> 03:24:54,258
flooded in the garages twice

5173
03:24:54,258 --> 03:24:57,858
which I'm sure our taxes help

5174
03:24:59,630 --> 03:25:00,331
pay for that.

5175
03:25:00,331 --> 03:25:00,932
Have a natural spring under

5176
03:25:00,932 --> 03:25:01,499
the parking lot next to

5177
03:25:01,499 --> 03:25:03,499
the lifeguard station.

5178
03:25:06,103 --> 03:25:06,871
Wow.

5179
03:25:06,871 --> 03:25:07,572
And there's a map right here

5180
03:25:07,572 --> 03:25:11,172
that shows it and other ones.

5181
03:25:12,343 --> 03:25:12,877
There's also more that are not

5182
03:25:12,877 --> 03:25:13,811
marked on this map.

5183
03:25:13,811 --> 03:25:18,110
Up the hill up in cottages I

5184
03:25:18,348 --> 03:25:18,983
found where there are pumps

5185
03:25:18,983 --> 03:25:19,651
historic pumps outside in

5186
03:25:19,651 --> 03:25:22,651
the yard showing where these

5187
03:25:24,155 --> 03:25:24,923
are.

5188
03:25:24,923 --> 03:25:27,923
Two houses up from me.

5189
03:25:30,728 --> 03:25:31,529
They had a well we have water

5190
03:25:31,529 --> 03:25:31,863
and we have had sinkholes on

5191
03:25:31,863 --> 03:25:33,863
Niagara.

5192
03:25:36,267 --> 03:25:36,901
Near Sunset Cliffs.

5193
03:25:36,901 --> 03:25:37,502
Right next to the right, a

5194
03:25:37,502 --> 03:25:40,502
property that is one of

5195
03:25:42,307 --> 03:25:42,907
the properties they're talking

5196
03:25:42,907 --> 03:25:43,274
about putting large tall

5197
03:25:43,274 --> 03:25:45,274
buildings.

5198
03:25:48,246 --> 03:25:49,180
I know of three sinkholes when

5199
03:25:49,180 --> 03:25:53,380
I was there when they were just

5200
03:25:54,352 --> 03:25:55,520
falling through.

5201
03:25:55,520 --> 03:25:59,720
>> We need secure we need to do

5202
03:26:00,892 --> 03:26:01,293
environmental We need to do

5203
03:26:01,293 --> 03:26:01,993
the history.

5204
03:26:01,993 --> 03:26:04,993
We have buildings down there

5205
03:26:06,698 --> 03:26:07,666
that have history of people.

5206
03:26:07,666 --> 03:26:11,266
One of the buildings down by

5207
03:26:12,237 --> 03:26:12,571
the beach it was the police

5208
03:26:12,571 --> 03:26:13,271
station.

5209
03:26:13,271 --> 03:26:16,871
It was the library before it

5210
03:26:17,809 --> 03:26:18,577
moved to the current library.

5211
03:26:18,577 --> 03:26:19,109
It had a Ferris wheel across

5212
03:26:19,109 --> 03:26:21,509
the street from it.

5213
03:26:24,249 --> 03:26:28,449
It is still there And we have

5214
03:26:29,540 --> 03:26:29,921
artisans in that building now.

5215
03:26:29,921 --> 03:26:30,355
>> Some that have been there

5216
03:26:30,355 --> 03:26:32,355
since the 60s.

5217
03:26:35,761 --> 03:26:36,461
We have people that are

5218
03:26:36,461 --> 03:26:40,610
inspired by Ocean Beach as far

5219
03:26:41,666 --> 03:26:41,972
as artists, musicians, writers

5220
03:26:41,972 --> 03:26:42,634
.

5221
03:26:42,634 --> 03:26:43,301
By the way, I'm a writer.

5222
03:26:43,301 --> 03:26:45,871
I've done three Ocean Beach

5223
03:26:45,871 --> 03:26:46,304
books and I've done one on

5224
03:26:46,304 --> 03:26:46,972
Sunset Cliff.

5225
03:26:46,972 --> 03:26:47,405
And believe me, I will write

5226
03:26:47,405 --> 03:26:49,405
down history.

5227
03:26:52,744 --> 03:26:53,478
My grandmother is in pictures

5228
03:26:53,478 --> 03:26:57,780
in Ocean Beach with my great

5229
03:26:58,484 --> 03:26:59,117
grandmother and might be

5230
03:26:59,117 --> 03:26:59,418
returning as concluding in

5231
03:26:59,418 --> 03:26:59,984
1924.

5232
03:26:59,984 --> 03:27:02,384
>> Thank you for that

5233
03:27:04,789 --> 03:27:05,557
concluding comment.

5234
03:27:05,557 --> 03:27:07,957
>> Look towards the history.

5235
03:27:10,195 --> 03:27:10,629
I'm sorry if I'm saying I never

5236
03:27:10,629 --> 03:27:11,630
correctly.

5237
03:27:11,630 --> 03:27:11,563
Barron Barron.

5238
03:27:11,563 --> 03:27:13,563
We'll get you.

5239
03:27:16,835 --> 03:27:17,603
Just hold on one second.

5240
03:27:17,603 --> 03:27:17,903
I'll come and help you get

5241
03:27:17,903 --> 03:27:19,903
there.

5242
03:27:21,372 --> 03:27:21,873
Please come up to the mic.

5243
03:27:21,873 --> 03:27:22,507
>> Hi there.

5244
03:27:22,507 --> 03:27:24,709
My name is Betsy Barron.

5245
03:27:24,709 --> 03:27:25,344
I'm on the board of the Ocean

5246
03:27:25,344 --> 03:27:27,344
Beach Historical Society.

5247
03:27:31,850 --> 03:27:32,550
I I got to tell you, I spent 52

5248
03:27:32,550 --> 03:27:32,885
years of my life in Los

5249
03:27:32,885 --> 03:27:34,885
Angeles.

5250
03:27:38,570 --> 03:27:38,790
I didn't know anything that was

5251
03:27:38,790 --> 03:27:39,491
going on there because I barely

5252
03:27:39,491 --> 03:27:40,590
even knew my neighbors no less

5253
03:27:40,590 --> 03:27:43,590
What was going on with

5254
03:27:43,162 --> 03:27:43,896
construction and development

5255
03:27:43,896 --> 03:27:44,496
and all those things because

5256
03:27:44,496 --> 03:27:44,863
there was really just no

5257
03:27:44,863 --> 03:27:46,863
community.

5258
03:27:50,302 --> 03:27:50,803
But I really fought to move

5259
03:27:50,803 --> 03:27:51,503
here 18 years ago.

5260
03:27:51,503 --> 03:27:54,503
>> I even up a jacket.

5261
03:27:55,941 --> 03:27:56,708
I want to go see it.

5262
03:27:56,708 --> 03:27:57,275
>> It says Oh girl because

5263
03:27:57,275 --> 03:28:00,275
that's how I feel now.

5264
03:28:01,213 --> 03:28:01,914
I'm an O.B. Girl.

5265
03:28:01,914 --> 03:28:04,314
I'm a retired archeologist.

5266
03:28:06,519 --> 03:28:07,219
I try very hard to preserve

5267
03:28:07,219 --> 03:28:07,585
things to keep things the way

5268
03:28:07,585 --> 03:28:08,287
they are.

5269
03:28:08,287 --> 03:28:10,687
>> Again, not against progress

5270
03:28:12,991 --> 03:28:13,325
but we need to learn from our

5271
03:28:13,325 --> 03:28:14,360
history.

5272
03:28:14,360 --> 03:28:18,560
And I was in here 13 years ago

5273
03:28:19,632 --> 03:28:20,366
taking pictures of people here

5274
03:28:20,366 --> 03:28:20,666
fighting for the 30 foot height

5275
03:28:20,666 --> 03:28:22,666
limit.

5276
03:28:25,338 --> 03:28:26,380
When I worked for the San Diego

5277
03:28:26,380 --> 03:28:26,605
Reader and here I am again

5278
03:28:26,605 --> 03:28:29,500
Thank you Diana So

5279
03:28:30,743 --> 03:28:32,743
derberg.

5280
03:28:36,382 --> 03:28:37,490
>> I'm thinking about to

5281
03:28:37,490 --> 03:28:37,616
the neighborhood voices that

5282
03:28:37,616 --> 03:28:38,651
are no longer with us.

5283
03:28:38,651 --> 03:28:42,688
I wish they were here today to

5284
03:28:42,688 --> 03:28:43,556
speak on these issues.

5285
03:28:43,556 --> 03:28:47,156
When I was early born of

5286
03:28:47,893 --> 03:28:48,594
University Heights she went 3

5287
03:28:48,594 --> 03:28:50,994
to 3 times total preservation

5288
03:28:53,232 --> 03:28:53,799
honorees on her honorary awards

5289
03:28:53,799 --> 03:28:54,500
including the highest

5290
03:28:54,500 --> 03:28:54,901
designation of preservationist

5291
03:28:54,901 --> 03:28:56,901
of the year.

5292
03:28:59,905 --> 03:29:00,639
Another that comes to mind is

5293
03:29:00,639 --> 03:29:00,973
Ann Trowbridge, a stellar civic

5294
03:29:00,973 --> 03:29:02,973
leader.

5295
03:29:04,577 --> 03:29:04,844
He passed away some 13 years

5296
03:29:04,844 --> 03:29:05,544
ago.

5297
03:29:05,544 --> 03:29:06,278
I was here the day when he

5298
03:29:06,278 --> 03:29:09,878
stood at this microphone and he

5299
03:29:10,683 --> 03:29:11,417
looked at the dais and he said

5300
03:29:11,417 --> 03:29:11,984
What happens to people when you

5301
03:29:11,984 --> 03:29:14,384
get in public office?

5302
03:29:16,656 --> 03:29:17,189
The hubris that overcomes you.

5303
03:29:17,189 --> 03:29:17,657
Have things changed?

5304
03:29:17,657 --> 03:29:18,124
Well, we'll see.

5305
03:29:18,124 --> 03:29:20,124
We'll see that.

5306
03:29:22,427 --> 03:29:23,129
But the so called package a and

5307
03:29:23,129 --> 03:29:23,997
an older review is nothing but

5308
03:29:23,997 --> 03:29:27,597
a power grab And I bring

5309
03:29:28,234 --> 03:29:28,534
politics in the process in San

5310
03:29:28,534 --> 03:29:29,235
Diego.

5311
03:29:29,235 --> 03:29:31,635
Let's keep our historic

5312
03:29:34,306 --> 03:29:34,974
resources decisions using

5313
03:29:34,974 --> 03:29:35,507
established protections and

5314
03:29:35,507 --> 03:29:36,175
thank you for that.

5315
03:29:36,175 --> 03:29:39,175
I'll bring politics into it.

5316
03:29:42,849 --> 03:29:43,683
>> Dean Glass Hi.

5317
03:29:43,683 --> 03:29:44,417
I'm going to read in part a

5318
03:29:44,417 --> 03:29:47,417
letter from Susan Grant Holley,

5319
03:29:48,787 --> 03:29:49,388
a lawyer whose practice focuses

5320
03:29:49,388 --> 03:29:50,890
on skills application to

5321
03:29:50,890 --> 03:29:53,890
the built environment, who has

5322
03:29:53,993 --> 03:29:54,761
consulted with and represented

5323
03:29:54,761 --> 03:29:55,428
so for many years to assist in

5324
03:29:55,428 --> 03:29:58,428
their efforts to protect and

5325
03:29:59,232 --> 03:29:59,665
adaptively reuse historic

5326
03:29:59,665 --> 03:30:00,400
resources.

5327
03:30:00,400 --> 03:30:03,400
Her work focuses on historic

5328
03:30:03,903 --> 03:30:04,637
resources statewide many

5329
03:30:04,637 --> 03:30:05,400
reflected in 50 published legal

5330
03:30:05,400 --> 03:30:05,472
opinions.

5331
03:30:05,472 --> 03:30:06,106
Good afternoon.

5332
03:30:06,106 --> 03:30:09,106
It is my considered legal

5333
03:30:10,109 --> 03:30:10,744
opinion and concerned that this

5334
03:30:10,744 --> 03:30:11,444
Council's consideration of

5335
03:30:11,444 --> 03:30:14,444
package and in particular its

5336
03:30:14,714 --> 03:30:15,415
section updates to

5337
03:30:15,415 --> 03:30:16,116
the designation appeal process

5338
03:30:16,116 --> 03:30:19,116
including additions of de novo

5339
03:30:20,720 --> 03:30:21,421
finding has not received

5340
03:30:21,421 --> 03:30:22,550
essential skill review package

5341
03:30:22,550 --> 03:30:22,789
a will again allow to novo

5342
03:30:22,789 --> 03:30:25,789
appeals related to the historic

5343
03:30:26,192 --> 03:30:26,893
designation and to this Council

5344
03:30:26,893 --> 03:30:27,627
against the recommendations of

5345
03:30:27,627 --> 03:30:30,270
its Historical Resources Board.

5346
03:30:32,198 --> 03:30:32,899
The community, the Planning

5347
03:30:32,899 --> 03:30:33,465
Committee and the Neighborhood

5348
03:30:33,465 --> 03:30:33,833
Historic Preservation

5349
03:30:33,833 --> 03:30:34,534
Coalition.

5350
03:30:34,534 --> 03:30:37,534
These groups concerns are well

5351
03:30:38,137 --> 03:30:38,872
founded.

5352
03:30:38,872 --> 03:30:39,539
I recall efforts to expand de

5353
03:30:39,539 --> 03:30:40,240
novo appeals to this council

5354
03:30:40,240 --> 03:30:43,240
years ago that were smartly

5355
03:30:43,543 --> 03:30:43,910
defeated Historic status as so

5356
03:30:43,910 --> 03:30:44,344
who knows?

5357
03:30:44,344 --> 03:30:46,344
>> Thank you.

5358
03:30:49,149 --> 03:30:49,849
Thank you, Sharon Girl Sharon

5359
03:30:49,849 --> 03:30:53,449
your time's needed to you by

5360
03:30:54,287 --> 03:30:54,621
Michael You'll have two

5361
03:30:54,621 --> 03:30:55,880
minutes.

5362
03:30:55,880 --> 03:30:55,455
Please proceed.

5363
03:30:55,455 --> 03:30:57,455
Thank you.

5364
03:30:59,226 --> 03:30:59,926
We all agree that owners should

5365
03:30:59,926 --> 03:31:00,626
be allowed to voluntarily turn

5366
03:31:00,626 --> 03:31:03,260
their properties into historic

5367
03:31:05,165 --> 03:31:05,899
museums but we don't agree.

5368
03:31:05,899 --> 03:31:06,533
What we don't agree on is

5369
03:31:06,533 --> 03:31:07,100
the question of whether we

5370
03:31:07,100 --> 03:31:09,100
should use government

5371
03:31:10,704 --> 03:31:11,405
regulations to force historic

5372
03:31:11,405 --> 03:31:13,805
designation on properties Most

5373
03:31:16,176 --> 03:31:16,810
people don't really care about

5374
03:31:16,810 --> 03:31:17,510
his historic preservation.

5375
03:31:17,510 --> 03:31:19,910
That's why designation lowers

5376
03:31:22,449 --> 03:31:23,183
property values When we reject

5377
03:31:23,183 --> 03:31:26,783
restrict what is done, what can

5378
03:31:27,200 --> 03:31:27,721
be done with property and that

5379
03:31:27,721 --> 03:31:30,721
means less property tax income

5380
03:31:35,428 --> 03:31:36,196
for the city We have built into

5381
03:31:36,196 --> 03:31:36,897
like two at La Hoya Code we

5382
03:31:36,897 --> 03:31:38,499
have painted all the city like

5383
03:31:38,499 --> 03:31:39,133
it La Hoya code that are

5384
03:31:39,133 --> 03:31:42,133
boarded up and rotted only

5385
03:31:43,737 --> 03:31:44,104
because we designated them

5386
03:31:44,104 --> 03:31:44,738
historic.

5387
03:31:44,738 --> 03:31:47,738
A property owner wanted to

5388
03:31:48,776 --> 03:31:49,543
replace those building 1745

5389
03:31:49,543 --> 03:31:50,770
years ago with a 17 unit

5390
03:31:50,770 --> 03:31:52,770
apartment building.

5391
03:31:55,150 --> 03:31:55,683
But there's still there because

5392
03:31:55,683 --> 03:31:58,830
the historic the California

5393
03:32:00,530 --> 03:32:00,854
theater next to the city hall

5394
03:32:00,854 --> 03:32:01,555
has been vacant for over 30

5395
03:32:01,555 --> 03:32:04,555
years only because it was

5396
03:32:05,893 --> 03:32:06,593
designated historic and older

5397
03:32:06,593 --> 03:32:07,261
wanted to build over 200 units

5398
03:32:07,261 --> 03:32:09,661
of housing but preservation

5399
03:32:11,264 --> 03:32:11,931
sued them So nothing happened.

5400
03:32:11,931 --> 03:32:13,931
Historic designation doesn't

5401
03:32:16,804 --> 03:32:17,470
just reduce property tax income

5402
03:32:17,470 --> 03:32:20,470
but city buildings that are

5403
03:32:22,209 --> 03:32:22,877
designated The mere threat of

5404
03:32:22,877 --> 03:32:23,577
designation reduces property

5405
03:32:23,577 --> 03:32:27,177
values The city wants to sell

5406
03:32:27,782 --> 03:32:28,348
that the city administration

5407
03:32:28,348 --> 03:32:29,490
complex that we're in.

5408
03:32:29,490 --> 03:32:32,490
But there is little interest.

5409
03:32:33,353 --> 03:32:34,540
Developers know that if they

5410
03:32:34,540 --> 03:32:34,722
tried to get building permits

5411
03:32:34,722 --> 03:32:37,722
to do anything with this

5412
03:32:38,592 --> 03:32:39,293
property the hrb would

5413
03:32:39,293 --> 03:32:41,693
designated historic all our

5414
03:32:44,465 --> 03:32:45,166
problems would go away If we

5415
03:32:45,166 --> 03:32:47,566
just make historic designation

5416
03:32:49,770 --> 03:32:50,504
voluntary Only the city will

5417
03:32:50,504 --> 03:32:50,771
get a huge increase in property

5418
03:32:50,771 --> 03:32:51,605
tax.

5419
03:32:51,605 --> 03:32:54,542
We'll have new housing all over

5420
03:32:54,542 --> 03:32:55,309
the city and we'll be able to

5421
03:32:55,309 --> 03:32:55,610
sell this building for a ton of

5422
03:32:55,610 --> 03:32:57,610
money.

5423
03:33:00,214 --> 03:33:00,781
>> Thank you.

5424
03:33:00,781 --> 03:33:01,482
>> Thank you.

5425
03:33:01,482 --> 03:33:02,183
Barry Hager I understand you

5426
03:33:02,183 --> 03:33:02,550
have several people sitting in

5427
03:33:02,550 --> 03:33:04,550
your time.

5428
03:33:04,952 --> 03:33:05,386
They can please raise their

5429
03:33:05,386 --> 03:33:06,153
hand and.

5430
03:33:06,153 --> 03:33:08,553
Guillory Thank you Joseph

5431
03:33:11,792 --> 03:33:14,792
Curran Gabrielle Cook of Kaiser

5432
03:33:14,829 --> 03:33:18,429
Curtis me Thank you Susan Dean

5433
03:33:20,400 --> 03:33:20,901
Jordan Persky Paul Engler.

5434
03:33:20,901 --> 03:33:22,901
Christina Fogerty.

5435
03:33:25,840 --> 03:33:28,840
Regina Agarwal Thank you Robert

5436
03:33:30,378 --> 03:33:30,745
Grover and Victoria Carter.

5437
03:33:30,745 --> 03:33:32,745
Thank you.

5438
03:33:35,450 --> 03:33:36,840
You'll have 12 minutes But if I

5439
03:33:36,840 --> 03:33:36,751
can just ask the following

5440
03:33:36,751 --> 03:33:39,751
individuals to also come up

5441
03:33:39,986 --> 03:33:40,621
Tyler Martin Bruce, Craig

5442
03:33:40,621 --> 03:33:41,890
Sherman, Kristen Harms and

5443
03:33:41,890 --> 03:33:43,890
Alyssa Stewart.

5444
03:33:45,393 --> 03:33:46,600
If you can all please come up

5445
03:33:46,600 --> 03:33:46,761
to the yellow reserved seats

5446
03:33:46,761 --> 03:33:50,361
You MAY proceed when ready and

5447
03:33:50,665 --> 03:33:51,365
your PowerPoint is up.

5448
03:33:51,365 --> 03:33:52,200
Please just say next slide.

5449
03:33:52,200 --> 03:33:55,403
Thank you And when I'm done

5450
03:33:55,403 --> 03:33:56,690
with my comments I'll ask for

5451
03:33:56,690 --> 03:33:56,504
folks to hold up their blue

5452
03:33:56,504 --> 03:33:56,971
cards please.

5453
03:33:56,971 --> 03:33:58,971
Good afternoon.

5454
03:34:00,241 --> 03:34:00,908
Council members.

5455
03:34:00,908 --> 03:34:01,543
I'm Barry Hager and I'm

5456
03:34:01,543 --> 03:34:02,176
speaking for Mission Hills

5457
03:34:02,176 --> 03:34:05,176
Heritage Today I'd like to

5458
03:34:05,512 --> 03:34:06,214
start by saying that we support

5459
03:34:06,214 --> 03:34:06,747
the goals of preservation and

5460
03:34:06,747 --> 03:34:09,147
progress and most of

5461
03:34:10,685 --> 03:34:11,119
the amendments proposed in

5462
03:34:11,119 --> 03:34:11,821
Package eight.

5463
03:34:11,821 --> 03:34:14,821
However, some of the proposed

5464
03:34:15,824 --> 03:34:16,524
amendments are very troubling

5465
03:34:16,524 --> 03:34:17,158
and will set back historic

5466
03:34:17,158 --> 03:34:19,558
preservation in San Diego

5467
03:34:21,463 --> 03:34:22,130
without advancing the goals of

5468
03:34:22,130 --> 03:34:22,798
the initiative which include

5469
03:34:22,798 --> 03:34:25,798
equity and a more effective

5470
03:34:26,330 --> 03:34:26,801
preservation program.

5471
03:34:26,801 --> 03:34:29,801
The most troubling aspect is

5472
03:34:30,772 --> 03:34:31,439
the proposed new findings not

5473
03:34:31,439 --> 03:34:31,840
supported or de novo grounds

5474
03:34:31,840 --> 03:34:33,840
for appeal.

5475
03:34:36,478 --> 03:34:37,178
The new grounds will for appeal

5476
03:34:37,178 --> 03:34:37,912
will allow the City Council to

5477
03:34:37,912 --> 03:34:40,312
review the information provided

5478
03:34:41,783 --> 03:34:42,517
at the Hrb and make different

5479
03:34:42,517 --> 03:34:45,517
findings and reach a contrary

5480
03:34:46,587 --> 03:34:47,255
conclusion.

5481
03:34:47,255 --> 03:34:47,889
>> Next slide please.

5482
03:34:47,889 --> 03:34:50,889
Here are the problems with

5483
03:34:51,893 --> 03:34:52,527
the de novo review ground.

5484
03:34:52,527 --> 03:34:53,128
First of all, the current

5485
03:34:53,128 --> 03:34:55,128
historic designation and

5486
03:34:57,399 --> 03:34:57,799
appeals process has worked well

5487
03:34:57,799 --> 03:34:58,466
for decades.

5488
03:34:58,466 --> 03:35:01,466
The process is rigorous and

5489
03:35:01,770 --> 03:35:02,470
the decision making board is

5490
03:35:02,470 --> 03:35:03,104
composed of volunteer citizens

5491
03:35:03,104 --> 03:35:05,504
with expertise in various

5492
03:35:07,209 --> 03:35:07,976
fields.

5493
03:35:07,976 --> 03:35:08,677
Council members are capable of

5494
03:35:08,677 --> 03:35:11,770
reviewing Hrb decisions based

5495
03:35:12,470 --> 03:35:12,447
on the current limited grounds

5496
03:35:12,447 --> 03:35:13,148
for appeals.

5497
03:35:13,148 --> 03:35:15,548
But council members lack

5498
03:35:17,752 --> 03:35:18,353
the expertise, training and

5499
03:35:18,353 --> 03:35:18,687
accumulated knowledge of

5500
03:35:18,687 --> 03:35:20,687
the hrb.

5501
03:35:22,824 --> 03:35:23,492
Council members are not

5502
03:35:23,492 --> 03:35:26,492
schooled in the criteria for

5503
03:35:28,290 --> 03:35:28,697
designation and unlike the Hrb

5504
03:35:28,697 --> 03:35:29,430
council members will not be

5505
03:35:29,430 --> 03:35:32,430
required to conduct site visits

5506
03:35:32,901 --> 03:35:33,368
before voting with an eye

5507
03:35:33,368 --> 03:35:35,368
towards applying

5508
03:35:37,505 --> 03:35:38,206
the designation criteria.

5509
03:35:38,206 --> 03:35:38,873
>> The broader appeals grounds

5510
03:35:38,873 --> 03:35:41,873
for appeal will also invite

5511
03:35:42,910 --> 03:35:43,344
more appeals for a second bite

5512
03:35:43,344 --> 03:35:44,120
at the apple.

5513
03:35:44,120 --> 03:35:46,412
The consequences will be

5514
03:35:47,683 --> 03:35:48,384
unpredictable all uneven

5515
03:35:48,384 --> 03:35:50,784
decisions with more potential

5516
03:35:52,988 --> 03:35:53,388
for appealable error and

5517
03:35:53,388 --> 03:35:54,155
litigation.

5518
03:35:54,155 --> 03:35:57,755
Adding the de novo ground will

5519
03:35:58,600 --> 03:35:58,761
only decrease the authority of

5520
03:35:58,761 --> 03:36:02,961
the hrb and add an element of

5521
03:36:03,732 --> 03:36:04,433
politics into appeals.

5522
03:36:04,433 --> 03:36:07,433
To make matters worse, staff

5523
03:36:08,737 --> 03:36:09,438
stripped out of packaging

5524
03:36:09,438 --> 03:36:12,438
the right to appeal decisions

5525
03:36:13,142 --> 03:36:13,809
to not designate properties

5526
03:36:13,809 --> 03:36:14,543
The current appeals process

5527
03:36:14,543 --> 03:36:17,543
only allows appeal of decisions

5528
03:36:18,180 --> 03:36:18,847
to designate a property not

5529
03:36:18,847 --> 03:36:21,247
decisions to not designate.

5530
03:36:23,127 --> 03:36:23,752
In response to criticism over

5531
03:36:23,752 --> 03:36:24,386
the years, staff initially

5532
03:36:24,386 --> 03:36:27,386
proposed to remedy the one

5533
03:36:28,357 --> 03:36:29,910
sided appeals process by

5534
03:36:29,910 --> 03:36:29,725
including and package the right

5535
03:36:29,725 --> 03:36:32,725
to appeal decisions to not

5536
03:36:33,529 --> 03:36:34,960
designate with grounds similar

5537
03:36:34,960 --> 03:36:36,496
to those for appealing

5538
03:36:37,900 --> 03:36:38,433
decisions to designate.

5539
03:36:38,433 --> 03:36:39,101
However lobbying by

5540
03:36:39,101 --> 03:36:41,501
the development by lobbying

5541
03:36:43,339 --> 03:36:44,390
development development

5542
03:36:44,390 --> 03:36:46,390
industry consultants convinced

5543
03:36:48,644 --> 03:36:49,278
staff to limit the right to

5544
03:36:49,278 --> 03:36:51,678
appeal non designations to

5545
03:36:53,480 --> 03:36:53,749
property owners only.

5546
03:36:53,749 --> 03:36:54,416
Legitimate concerns were then

5547
03:36:54,416 --> 03:36:57,416
raised about the fairness of

5548
03:36:57,987 --> 03:36:58,687
only allowing property owners

5549
03:36:58,687 --> 03:36:59,221
to file appeals but not other

5550
03:36:59,221 --> 03:37:01,221
interested parties.

5551
03:37:02,892 --> 03:37:03,559
But rather than restoring

5552
03:37:03,559 --> 03:37:06,559
the right of all interested

5553
03:37:07,530 --> 03:37:08,164
parties to appeal designation

5554
03:37:08,164 --> 03:37:08,731
decisions do not designate

5555
03:37:08,731 --> 03:37:10,731
staff instead stripped

5556
03:37:13,235 --> 03:37:13,603
the entire section from

5557
03:37:13,603 --> 03:37:14,303
packaging.

5558
03:37:14,303 --> 03:37:17,303
>> After the OCTOBER 23rd Hrb

5559
03:37:18,341 --> 03:37:19,740
meeting with the proposed

5560
03:37:19,740 --> 03:37:22,740
expansion of appeals to include

5561
03:37:22,378 --> 03:37:23,450
the de novo grounds but no

5562
03:37:23,450 --> 03:37:26,450
right to appeal decisions to

5563
03:37:27,216 --> 03:37:27,818
not designate packages even

5564
03:37:27,818 --> 03:37:28,484
more skewed in favor of

5565
03:37:28,484 --> 03:37:30,484
overturning designations of

5566
03:37:32,855 --> 03:37:33,588
historic resources packages

5567
03:37:33,588 --> 03:37:37,188
should not be adopted without a

5568
03:37:37,526 --> 03:37:38,160
right to appeal hrb decisions

5569
03:37:38,160 --> 03:37:40,560
to not designate property.

5570
03:37:43,199 --> 03:37:45,199
Next slide.

5571
03:37:46,868 --> 03:37:47,637
And you can see whoops we

5572
03:37:47,637 --> 03:37:51,237
should be on number four now.

5573
03:37:56,479 --> 03:37:59,479
>> You can skip the fourth.

5574
03:38:01,250 --> 03:38:02,118
>> So let's take a look.

5575
03:38:02,118 --> 03:38:02,385
>> Oh, I'm sorry We've gone too

5576
03:38:02,385 --> 03:38:04,385
far.

5577
03:38:06,289 --> 03:38:09,289
Let's go back one more.

5578
03:38:10,827 --> 03:38:11,761
This is Slide four.

5579
03:38:11,761 --> 03:38:15,361
>> So it's supposed to be Let's

5580
03:38:15,998 --> 03:38:16,666
look at the Hrb has to say

5581
03:38:16,666 --> 03:38:17,167
about de novo I think we've

5582
03:38:17,167 --> 03:38:17,467
Yeah, Here we go.

5583
03:38:17,467 --> 03:38:19,467
Okay.

5584
03:38:20,370 --> 03:38:21,103
Sorry.

5585
03:38:21,103 --> 03:38:21,804
Again, the staff presentation

5586
03:38:21,804 --> 03:38:24,804
indicates that the Hrb policy

5587
03:38:24,941 --> 03:38:25,608
is subject committee was

5588
03:38:25,608 --> 03:38:28,800
generally supportive of all

5589
03:38:29,979 --> 03:38:30,646
other aspects of package

5590
03:38:30,646 --> 03:38:33,646
including the de novo ground

5591
03:38:34,918 --> 03:38:35,618
but h r b member Carla Farley,

5592
03:38:35,618 --> 03:38:36,319
one of the four members of

5593
03:38:36,319 --> 03:38:38,719
the Policy subcommittee voted

5594
03:38:40,156 --> 03:38:40,857
against package specifically

5595
03:38:40,857 --> 03:38:44,457
citing the de novo issue for

5596
03:38:45,950 --> 03:38:49,295
comment at the h r b meeting

5597
03:38:49,632 --> 03:38:50,500
and on OCTOBER 23rd was quote

5598
03:38:50,500 --> 03:38:51,267
to novo I'm no on de novo.

5599
03:38:51,267 --> 03:38:54,870
That's the short of it And when

5600
03:38:54,870 --> 03:38:55,438
you can hear that nobody has

5601
03:38:55,438 --> 03:38:56,138
put this thing forward

5602
03:38:56,138 --> 03:38:59,138
obviously for some very good

5603
03:38:59,375 --> 03:39:00,343
reasons I don't know if we want

5604
03:39:00,343 --> 03:39:04,414
to be the ones to stand out and

5605
03:39:04,414 --> 03:39:05,148
quote the h r be voted down.

5606
03:39:05,148 --> 03:39:08,148
Two motions to support package

5607
03:39:09,186 --> 03:39:09,686
a largely due to the inclusion

5608
03:39:09,686 --> 03:39:12,860
of the no ground.

5609
03:39:13,323 --> 03:39:13,989
Next slide please Let's discuss

5610
03:39:13,989 --> 03:39:14,558
the recommendations made by

5611
03:39:14,558 --> 03:39:16,558
the Community Planners

5612
03:39:17,828 --> 03:39:18,562
Committee.

5613
03:39:18,562 --> 03:39:19,263
As a reminder the Community

5614
03:39:19,263 --> 03:39:21,663
Planners Committee consists of

5615
03:39:23,200 --> 03:39:23,933
the chairperson dozens of all

5616
03:39:23,933 --> 03:39:26,333
the official community planning

5617
03:39:27,571 --> 03:39:28,238
groups in the city of San Diego

5618
03:39:28,238 --> 03:39:28,839
who are volunteer residents

5619
03:39:28,839 --> 03:39:31,239
elected by residents to

5620
03:39:32,743 --> 03:39:33,343
represent their communities to

5621
03:39:33,343 --> 03:39:35,343
make recommendations to

5622
03:39:37,214 --> 03:39:37,885
the city on planning matters.

5623
03:39:37,885 --> 03:39:38,415
It is truly the People's

5624
03:39:38,415 --> 03:39:40,415
Planning Committee.

5625
03:39:42,252 --> 03:39:42,853
Here is an excerpt from Staff's

5626
03:39:42,853 --> 03:39:45,253
Report to the Planning

5627
03:39:47,291 --> 03:39:47,891
Commission on Package.

5628
03:39:47,891 --> 03:39:49,891
The Community Planners

5629
03:39:50,993 --> 03:39:51,762
Committee voted 28 to 0 two

5630
03:39:51,762 --> 03:39:54,762
zero to oppose preservation and

5631
03:39:55,632 --> 03:39:56,266
progress package and recommend

5632
03:39:56,266 --> 03:39:59,266
that the proposed de novo

5633
03:40:00,303 --> 03:40:00,837
findings not supported appeal

5634
03:40:00,837 --> 03:40:01,538
finally be removed.

5635
03:40:01,538 --> 03:40:03,938
That the putting requirements

5636
03:40:04,908 --> 03:40:05,709
for the historical resources

5637
03:40:05,709 --> 03:40:09,309
Board be changed to a simple

5638
03:40:10,414 --> 03:40:11,114
majority to designate and that

5639
03:40:11,114 --> 03:40:11,714
the ability to appeal historic

5640
03:40:11,714 --> 03:40:13,714
historic resources Board

5641
03:40:15,685 --> 03:40:16,352
decisions to not designate a

5642
03:40:16,352 --> 03:40:19,352
property be added back into

5643
03:40:19,857 --> 03:40:20,891
package a.

5644
03:40:20,891 --> 03:40:24,270
When was the last time you saw

5645
03:40:24,270 --> 03:40:24,394
28 organizations agree on one

5646
03:40:24,394 --> 03:40:26,394
position?

5647
03:40:28,298 --> 03:40:28,766
>> Next slide please.

5648
03:40:28,766 --> 03:40:29,333
When you compare

5649
03:40:29,333 --> 03:40:31,333
the recommendations by

5650
03:40:33,170 --> 03:40:33,804
the community planners

5651
03:40:33,804 --> 03:40:34,470
Committee and the Planning

5652
03:40:34,470 --> 03:40:36,870
Commission, a stark contrast

5653
03:40:38,408 --> 03:40:39,143
comes into view The seven

5654
03:40:39,143 --> 03:40:42,713
appointees of the mayor who sit

5655
03:40:42,713 --> 03:40:43,380
on the Planning Commission

5656
03:40:43,380 --> 03:40:46,380
voted to recommend a package

5657
03:40:47,184 --> 03:40:47,918
that represents the voice of

5658
03:40:47,918 --> 03:40:50,318
the development industry The 28

5659
03:40:52,590 --> 03:40:53,157
volunteer residents who sit on

5660
03:40:53,157 --> 03:40:55,157
the Community Planners

5661
03:40:56,660 --> 03:40:57,393
Committee rejected package that

5662
03:40:57,393 --> 03:40:58,328
is the voice of the people.

5663
03:40:58,328 --> 03:41:01,732
We ask that you please heed

5664
03:41:01,732 --> 03:41:02,433
the voice of the people when

5665
03:41:02,433 --> 03:41:06,300
you vote on this matter today.

5666
03:41:06,300 --> 03:41:06,971
Next slide please.

5667
03:41:06,971 --> 03:41:10,708
I have one more quote for you.

5668
03:41:10,708 --> 03:41:11,408
Here's what the San Diego Yimby

5669
03:41:11,408 --> 03:41:14,408
group said about these reforms

5670
03:41:15,120 --> 03:41:15,846
in their OCTOBER e-newsletter.

5671
03:41:15,846 --> 03:41:19,817
Quote The city wants to make it

5672
03:41:19,817 --> 03:41:20,350
easier to override historic

5673
03:41:20,350 --> 03:41:21,185
preservation rules.

5674
03:41:21,185 --> 03:41:24,185
Proposed changes would let city

5675
03:41:24,789 --> 03:41:27,189
council overrule expert board

5676
03:41:29,126 --> 03:41:29,827
decisions on historic buildings

5677
03:41:29,827 --> 03:41:30,327
,potentially clearing the way

5678
03:41:30,327 --> 03:41:32,327
for more housing.

5679
03:41:34,165 --> 03:41:34,498
Close quote from this headline

5680
03:41:34,498 --> 03:41:35,232
.

5681
03:41:35,232 --> 03:41:35,900
It's clear that the Yimby group

5682
03:41:35,900 --> 03:41:38,300
and their building industry

5683
03:41:39,804 --> 03:41:40,404
allies are trying to set up a

5684
03:41:40,404 --> 03:41:42,804
false choice of historic

5685
03:41:43,908 --> 03:41:44,475
preservation or more housing.

5686
03:41:44,475 --> 03:41:46,875
We can have both.

5687
03:41:48,346 --> 03:41:49,460
What the statement does

5688
03:41:49,460 --> 03:41:52,646
underscore is that the de novo

5689
03:41:53,384 --> 03:41:54,560
appeal ground will scale back

5690
03:41:54,560 --> 03:41:56,560
historic designations which

5691
03:41:57,655 --> 03:41:58,356
which will result in the loss

5692
03:41:58,356 --> 03:41:58,790
of more historic resources

5693
03:41:58,790 --> 03:42:00,790
going forward.

5694
03:42:02,727 --> 03:42:03,393
And the city has not analyzed

5695
03:42:03,393 --> 03:42:03,728
the impacts of the proposed

5696
03:42:03,728 --> 03:42:05,728
reforms.

5697
03:42:07,498 --> 03:42:08,199
>> Next slide please.

5698
03:42:08,199 --> 03:42:11,199
The proposed de novo amendment

5699
03:42:12,350 --> 03:42:12,737
is moving us towards a system

5700
03:42:12,737 --> 03:42:13,470
where historic resources will

5701
03:42:13,470 --> 03:42:17,700
only be designated if the owner

5702
03:42:17,742 --> 03:42:18,509
wants it to be.

5703
03:42:18,509 --> 03:42:22,213
While that MAY be the goal of

5704
03:42:22,213 --> 03:42:22,913
some in this room that is not

5705
03:42:22,913 --> 03:42:23,513
the best practice for historic

5706
03:42:23,513 --> 03:42:25,913
preservation and all San

5707
03:42:26,818 --> 03:42:27,151
Diegans will suffer under that

5708
03:42:27,151 --> 03:42:29,151
system.

5709
03:42:31,923 --> 03:42:35,523
>> In closing we urge you to

5710
03:42:35,693 --> 03:42:36,394
reject package a until one

5711
03:42:36,394 --> 03:42:38,794
findings not supported appeal

5712
03:42:40,165 --> 03:42:40,765
ground has been removed to

5713
03:42:40,765 --> 03:42:41,466
the right to appeal Non

5714
03:42:41,466 --> 03:42:43,866
designations has been added

5715
03:42:45,804 --> 03:42:46,438
back in and three the city has

5716
03:42:46,438 --> 03:42:48,438
completed an environmental

5717
03:42:50,750 --> 03:42:50,675
analysis of the impacts of

5718
03:42:50,675 --> 03:42:52,675
the proposed amendments.

5719
03:42:54,846 --> 03:42:55,447
Let's not blow up blow up a

5720
03:42:55,447 --> 03:42:57,847
system that works well.

5721
03:42:59,284 --> 03:43:00,510
And now let's see those know on

5722
03:43:00,510 --> 03:43:01,786
de novo cards out there yet

5723
03:43:01,786 --> 03:43:02,860
there's a sea of people out

5724
03:43:02,860 --> 03:43:04,860
there.

5725
03:43:05,657 --> 03:43:08,570
>> Thank you very much.

5726
03:43:11,129 --> 03:43:11,595
>> Thank you, Tyler Martin

5727
03:43:11,595 --> 03:43:12,330
Hello, counsel.

5728
03:43:12,330 --> 03:43:14,730
>> Good afternoon, Tyler Martin

5729
03:43:15,700 --> 03:43:16,434
Ocean Beach I wrote a letter to

5730
03:43:16,434 --> 03:43:17,168
Councilmember Campbell's office

5731
03:43:17,168 --> 03:43:19,568
last DECEMBER which exemplifies

5732
03:43:20,672 --> 03:43:21,239
multiple historic cottages that

5733
03:43:21,239 --> 03:43:23,639
met the definition of

5734
03:43:25,243 --> 03:43:25,944
the district multiple community

5735
03:43:25,944 --> 03:43:26,611
planning groups have actually

5736
03:43:26,611 --> 03:43:27,212
supported the demolition of

5737
03:43:27,212 --> 03:43:29,212
cottages simply because

5738
03:43:30,248 --> 03:43:30,949
the property owner did not

5739
03:43:30,949 --> 03:43:31,383
volunteer their property into

5740
03:43:31,383 --> 03:43:33,383
the district.

5741
03:43:35,420 --> 03:43:36,121
That's happened four times for

5742
03:43:36,121 --> 03:43:36,788
contributing resources and up

5743
03:43:36,788 --> 03:43:40,292
to six other times for non

5744
03:43:40,292 --> 03:43:41,590
contributing resources.

5745
03:43:41,590 --> 03:43:45,300
And one of the reasons why I'm

5746
03:43:45,300 --> 03:43:45,730
most supportive of complete

5747
03:43:45,730 --> 03:43:46,398
communities is not only

5748
03:43:46,398 --> 03:43:47,650
the housing supply but it's

5749
03:43:47,650 --> 03:43:47,699
the activation that this is

5750
03:43:47,699 --> 03:43:50,268
going to bring to Newport

5751
03:43:50,268 --> 03:43:50,902
Avenue.

5752
03:43:50,902 --> 03:43:53,302
I have witnessed several

5753
03:43:54,720 --> 03:43:54,773
revolving door businesses on

5754
03:43:54,773 --> 03:43:55,507
Newport Avenue in ten years.

5755
03:43:55,507 --> 03:43:58,507
Rite Aid, our largest footprint

5756
03:43:59,110 --> 03:43:59,344
is now dead and for sale just

5757
03:43:59,344 --> 03:44:00,178
in time.

5758
03:44:00,178 --> 03:44:03,548
Union Bank is empty for years

5759
03:44:03,548 --> 03:44:04,282
and there are multiple boarded

5760
03:44:04,282 --> 03:44:07,282
up retail places They need

5761
03:44:08,921 --> 03:44:09,688
customers keep mom and pop in

5762
03:44:09,688 --> 03:44:13,288
business so big box retail like

5763
03:44:14,226 --> 03:44:14,792
Target doesn't come into town.

5764
03:44:14,792 --> 03:44:15,527
We need customers on.

5765
03:44:15,527 --> 03:44:15,861
Thank you for that concluding

5766
03:44:15,861 --> 03:44:17,861
remark.

5767
03:44:19,364 --> 03:44:20,650
Bruce Kearns Bruce can do you

5768
03:44:20,650 --> 03:44:23,650
have several people sitting in

5769
03:44:23,535 --> 03:44:24,269
your time alone accounts?

5770
03:44:24,269 --> 03:44:24,870
Paul Johnson And I understand

5771
03:44:24,870 --> 03:44:25,537
that there'll be several

5772
03:44:25,537 --> 03:44:28,537
speakers You guys can manage

5773
03:44:28,540 --> 03:44:30,540
your own time.

5774
03:44:32,477 --> 03:44:35,477
Jessica mckee I'm David Roth.

5775
03:44:38,517 --> 03:44:38,866
Bill Al Adele or Jeanette

5776
03:44:38,866 --> 03:44:40,866
o'Dell?

5777
03:44:42,388 --> 03:44:42,888
Ginger Weatherford.

5778
03:44:42,888 --> 03:44:44,888
Jennifer McDonald.

5779
03:44:45,157 --> 03:44:47,157
Maureen Robert Turner.

5780
03:44:50,696 --> 03:44:51,163
Eva Thorne of a Thorne.

5781
03:44:51,163 --> 03:44:53,163
Oh thank you.

5782
03:44:54,466 --> 03:44:54,934
Diane Kane.

5783
03:44:54,934 --> 03:44:56,934
David Goldberg.

5784
03:44:58,904 --> 03:44:59,405
John Eisenhower.

5785
03:44:59,405 --> 03:45:01,405
Nicholas Wilson.

5786
03:45:04,576 --> 03:45:05,344
Virginia Wilson.

5787
03:45:05,344 --> 03:45:05,711
There were 16 people that ceded

5788
03:45:05,711 --> 03:45:07,711
your time.

5789
03:45:08,948 --> 03:45:09,382
It is a maximum of 15 minute

5790
03:45:09,382 --> 03:45:10,490
presentation.

5791
03:45:10,490 --> 03:45:10,349
You'll have the 15 minutes.

5792
03:45:10,349 --> 03:45:12,349
Okay.

5793
03:45:13,919 --> 03:45:14,654
And it's Alana Will speak first

5794
03:45:14,654 --> 03:45:15,154
and then Bruce However you guys

5795
03:45:15,154 --> 03:45:17,554
one minute or two.

5796
03:45:18,124 --> 03:45:18,524
>> Thank you.

5797
03:45:18,524 --> 03:45:19,291
>> Hello.

5798
03:45:19,291 --> 03:45:22,291
The presentations you will you

5799
03:45:23,629 --> 03:45:24,329
are hearing today from Soho in

5800
03:45:24,329 --> 03:45:25,640
the preservation community are

5801
03:45:25,640 --> 03:45:27,464
grounded in documented evidence

5802
03:45:28,167 --> 03:45:32,338
and in the law package is not a

5803
03:45:32,338 --> 03:45:33,500
minor administrative update.

5804
03:45:33,500 --> 03:45:33,606
It makes sweeping structural

5805
03:45:33,606 --> 03:45:36,600
changes to how historic

5806
03:45:37,275 --> 03:45:37,877
resources are evaluated,

5807
03:45:37,877 --> 03:45:38,544
designated, appealed and

5808
03:45:38,544 --> 03:45:38,844
protected in the city of San

5809
03:45:38,844 --> 03:45:40,844
Diego.

5810
03:45:42,548 --> 03:45:43,249
These changes directly affect

5811
03:45:43,249 --> 03:45:45,249
historic properties, historic

5812
03:45:47,119 --> 03:45:47,720
districts and the integrity of

5813
03:45:47,720 --> 03:45:48,870
the city's preservation

5814
03:45:48,870 --> 03:45:50,870
framework.

5815
03:45:51,624 --> 03:45:52,225
Under secure any discretionary

5816
03:45:52,225 --> 03:45:52,725
action that MAY cause a

5817
03:45:52,725 --> 03:45:54,725
physical change to

5818
03:45:56,129 --> 03:45:56,695
the environment requires

5819
03:45:56,695 --> 03:45:57,430
environmental review.

5820
03:45:57,430 --> 03:46:00,430
The secret guidelines to define

5821
03:46:01,367 --> 03:46:02,680
a project broadly and city

5822
03:46:02,680 --> 03:46:04,468
ordinances clearly fall within

5823
03:46:06,500 --> 03:46:06,639
that definition When you weaken

5824
03:46:06,639 --> 03:46:07,273
historic protections, you

5825
03:46:07,273 --> 03:46:09,673
increase the likelihood of

5826
03:46:11,844 --> 03:46:12,211
demolition alteration, arson

5827
03:46:12,211 --> 03:46:12,745
and loss.

5828
03:46:12,745 --> 03:46:13,312
That is a physical

5829
03:46:13,312 --> 03:46:15,312
environmental impact.

5830
03:46:16,282 --> 03:46:16,915
The staff's reliance on prior

5831
03:46:16,915 --> 03:46:18,915
environmental documents is

5832
03:46:21,421 --> 03:46:22,550
legally insufficient.

5833
03:46:22,550 --> 03:46:22,722
Key provisions in package

5834
03:46:22,722 --> 03:46:25,722
including the de novo appeal

5835
03:46:25,858 --> 03:46:26,559
process and other substantial

5836
03:46:26,559 --> 03:46:26,926
changes were never analyzed in

5837
03:46:26,926 --> 03:46:28,926
prior ers.

5838
03:46:30,563 --> 03:46:31,196
You cannot rely on old

5839
03:46:31,196 --> 03:46:33,196
environmental documents to

5840
03:46:34,667 --> 03:46:35,201
approve new policy changes that

5841
03:46:35,201 --> 03:46:35,834
reduce protections.

5842
03:46:35,834 --> 03:46:37,834
Square requires informed

5843
03:46:39,739 --> 03:46:40,240
decision making based on

5844
03:46:40,240 --> 03:46:40,873
current analysis.

5845
03:46:40,873 --> 03:46:43,873
The courts have been clear

5846
03:46:44,844 --> 03:46:45,478
changes to preservation

5847
03:46:45,478 --> 03:46:47,478
ordinances can constitute

5848
03:46:49,449 --> 03:46:50,830
secret projects when they MAY

5849
03:46:50,830 --> 03:46:50,783
result in direct physical

5850
03:46:50,783 --> 03:46:53,183
changes to historic resources

5851
03:46:54,320 --> 03:46:55,210
Code revisions that reduce

5852
03:46:55,210 --> 03:46:57,421
protections are not exempt

5853
03:46:59,425 --> 03:47:00,930
Proceeding today without

5854
03:47:00,930 --> 03:47:02,930
environmental review exposes

5855
03:47:04,297 --> 03:47:04,596
the city to significant legal

5856
03:47:04,596 --> 03:47:05,231
risk.

5857
03:47:05,231 --> 03:47:05,932
The staff report itself

5858
03:47:05,932 --> 03:47:08,332
acknowledges this proposal is

5859
03:47:09,269 --> 03:47:10,136
part of a broader comprehensive

5860
03:47:10,136 --> 03:47:13,736
update Segmenting parts a and b

5861
03:47:14,774 --> 03:47:15,341
avoids analyzing the whole of

5862
03:47:15,341 --> 03:47:16,900
the action and seek or

5863
03:47:16,900 --> 03:47:18,409
prohibits this piecemeal way

5864
03:47:19,546 --> 03:47:20,213
The law requires you to

5865
03:47:20,213 --> 03:47:23,213
evaluate the full scope and

5866
03:47:24,384 --> 03:47:25,850
cumulative impact of what you

5867
03:47:25,850 --> 03:47:25,385
are doing and the impacts are

5868
03:47:25,385 --> 03:47:27,385
real.

5869
03:47:28,955 --> 03:47:29,589
With this we will lose Historic

5870
03:47:29,589 --> 03:47:31,589
resources Package a-roads

5871
03:47:33,927 --> 03:47:34,661
Historic District protections

5872
03:47:34,661 --> 03:47:35,295
and strip safe strip safeguards

5873
03:47:35,295 --> 03:47:37,695
from existing and pending

5874
03:47:39,165 --> 03:47:39,866
districts including ocean

5875
03:47:39,866 --> 03:47:42,266
beaches, Cottage district and

5876
03:47:43,636 --> 03:47:44,404
the Asian thematic district.

5877
03:47:44,404 --> 03:47:45,710
These changes would make it

5878
03:47:45,710 --> 03:47:48,710
easier to alter or eliminate

5879
03:47:48,575 --> 03:47:49,209
historic resources that

5880
03:47:49,209 --> 03:47:49,943
contribute to neighborhood

5881
03:47:49,943 --> 03:47:52,343
character and cultural identity

5882
03:47:53,747 --> 03:47:54,347
and environmental impact Report

5883
03:47:54,347 --> 03:47:56,747
is the legally required

5884
03:47:58,485 --> 03:47:59,118
mechanism to identify impacts,

5885
03:47:59,118 --> 03:48:01,118
consider alternatives and

5886
03:48:08,280 --> 03:48:08,729
develop mitigation measures

5887
03:48:08,729 --> 03:48:11,129
Regarding the Hrb rejected

5888
03:48:12,798 --> 03:48:13,467
package the cpc 28 communities

5889
03:48:13,467 --> 03:48:16,467
across the city rejected it

5890
03:48:18,405 --> 03:48:19,106
over 500 written comments have

5891
03:48:19,106 --> 03:48:21,506
been submitted with opposition

5892
03:48:22,376 --> 03:48:22,776
outweighing support by roughly

5893
03:48:22,776 --> 03:48:24,776
12 to 1.

5894
03:48:26,913 --> 03:48:27,481
That level of engagement is not

5895
03:48:27,481 --> 03:48:28,115
incidental It reflects

5896
03:48:28,115 --> 03:48:30,115
widespread concern across

5897
03:48:31,785 --> 03:48:32,486
the city.

5898
03:48:32,486 --> 03:48:33,187
You were recently reminded in

5899
03:48:33,187 --> 03:48:36,787
Save Our Access versus City of

5900
03:48:36,924 --> 03:48:37,591
San Diego that inadequate seek

5901
03:48:37,591 --> 03:48:38,225
review carries consequences.

5902
03:48:38,225 --> 03:48:41,225
The Court of Appeal ruled

5903
03:48:42,663 --> 03:48:43,163
against the city for failing to

5904
03:48:43,163 --> 03:48:45,163
conduct sufficient

5905
03:48:46,633 --> 03:48:47,434
environmental risk analysis

5906
03:48:47,434 --> 03:48:51,340
That is not abstract It is

5907
03:48:51,772 --> 03:48:52,406
recent history moving forward

5908
03:48:52,406 --> 03:48:54,806
today without full sequel

5909
03:48:56,143 --> 03:48:56,777
review and in disregard of all

5910
03:48:56,777 --> 03:48:57,477
of the advisory bodies and

5911
03:48:57,477 --> 03:48:59,477
overwhelming public opposition

5912
03:49:01,382 --> 03:49:01,782
would be premature and legally

5913
03:49:01,782 --> 03:49:03,782
vulnerable.

5914
03:49:06,420 --> 03:49:06,987
Historic resources are not

5915
03:49:06,987 --> 03:49:07,854
obstacles to progress.

5916
03:49:07,854 --> 03:49:11,454
They are part of San Diego's

5917
03:49:11,658 --> 03:49:12,526
environment fabric just as

5918
03:49:12,526 --> 03:49:16,126
surely as air, water and trees

5919
03:49:16,664 --> 03:49:17,364
preservation and growth are not

5920
03:49:17,364 --> 03:49:19,764
mutually exclusive but growth

5921
03:49:21,335 --> 03:49:22,300
must proceed lawfully,

5922
03:49:22,300 --> 03:49:24,403
transparently and with full

5923
03:49:26,740 --> 03:49:27,410
environmental accountable city

5924
03:49:27,410 --> 03:49:27,808
.

5925
03:49:27,808 --> 03:49:28,476
You are being asked to approve

5926
03:49:28,476 --> 03:49:30,476
sweeping structural changes

5927
03:49:32,130 --> 03:49:32,480
without environmental veto that

5928
03:49:32,480 --> 03:49:33,800
square requires.

5929
03:49:33,800 --> 03:49:35,480
For these reasons we

5930
03:49:36,316 --> 03:49:36,884
respectfully urge you to pause

5931
03:49:36,884 --> 03:49:38,884
packaging and require

5932
03:49:40,387 --> 03:49:41,220
comprehensive environmental

5933
03:49:41,220 --> 03:49:43,220
review before proceeding.

5934
03:49:46,360 --> 03:49:46,927
>> Thank you, Mayor.

5935
03:49:46,927 --> 03:49:47,595
>> Thank you PRESIDENT

5936
03:49:47,595 --> 03:49:49,995
Secretary Director Save our

5937
03:49:51,398 --> 03:49:52,330
Heritage Organization and

5938
03:49:52,330 --> 03:49:54,433
the historic the decision

5939
03:49:55,235 --> 03:49:55,903
whether a property is historic

5940
03:49:55,903 --> 03:49:56,771
or not is not the end all.

5941
03:49:56,771 --> 03:49:59,874
You still retain the land and

5942
03:49:59,874 --> 03:50:00,574
use decision you always have

5943
03:50:00,574 --> 03:50:02,974
about whether the resource

5944
03:50:05,120 --> 03:50:05,513
stays was demolished or or

5945
03:50:05,513 --> 03:50:07,513
incorporated into

5946
03:50:09,516 --> 03:50:10,317
the development or moved even

5947
03:50:10,317 --> 03:50:13,317
It's simply a baseline This

5948
03:50:14,655 --> 03:50:15,323
determination about whether a

5949
03:50:15,323 --> 03:50:18,323
property is historic or not

5950
03:50:19,126 --> 03:50:19,760
Just like another environmental

5951
03:50:19,760 --> 03:50:21,760
determinations is whether

5952
03:50:24,232 --> 03:50:25,330
the site like is the site of

5953
03:50:25,330 --> 03:50:25,433
vernal pool or is it not a

5954
03:50:25,433 --> 03:50:27,433
vernal pool.

5955
03:50:28,903 --> 03:50:29,537
So it's just to identify it so

5956
03:50:29,537 --> 03:50:31,937
it's properly treated and

5957
03:50:32,640 --> 03:50:33,441
the process that moves forward

5958
03:50:33,441 --> 03:50:33,808
It is a factual not political

5959
03:50:33,808 --> 03:50:35,808
question.

5960
03:50:38,613 --> 03:50:39,314
The land use decision, like I

5961
03:50:39,314 --> 03:50:41,714
said, still remains in

5962
03:50:44,318 --> 03:50:45,520
the council's hands.

5963
03:50:45,520 --> 03:50:45,787
So there's been some complaints

5964
03:50:45,787 --> 03:50:48,156
that you can't do the tradeoffs

5965
03:50:48,156 --> 03:50:48,590
of the new project against

5966
03:50:48,590 --> 03:50:49,157
the resource.

5967
03:50:49,157 --> 03:50:51,557
Well that's not true.

5968
03:50:52,994 --> 03:50:53,861
You always retain that and

5969
03:50:53,861 --> 03:50:57,461
the discussion but you have to

5970
03:50:58,990 --> 03:50:58,833
have the baseline discussion

5971
03:50:58,833 --> 03:51:01,833
about whether that the resource

5972
03:51:02,604 --> 03:51:03,137
is historic or not before you

5973
03:51:03,137 --> 03:51:05,537
can even get there.

5974
03:51:06,774 --> 03:51:07,642
And so it's a very important

5975
03:51:07,642 --> 03:51:11,242
it's not a tool to stop

5976
03:51:11,980 --> 03:51:12,680
development never has been even

5977
03:51:12,680 --> 03:51:13,348
if there are some people that

5978
03:51:13,348 --> 03:51:13,714
would like it to be it's not

5979
03:51:13,714 --> 03:51:15,714
possible.

5980
03:51:17,218 --> 03:51:20,218
It's a fact based process.

5981
03:51:22,390 --> 03:51:22,991
People come to us sometimes and

5982
03:51:22,991 --> 03:51:23,757
say Can you stop this

5983
03:51:23,757 --> 03:51:26,727
development and said No we

5984
03:51:26,727 --> 03:51:29,727
can't but we can determine

5985
03:51:30,965 --> 03:51:31,666
whether the property there is

5986
03:51:31,666 --> 03:51:32,367
historic or not and should be

5987
03:51:32,367 --> 03:51:34,767
considered in the development

5988
03:51:35,836 --> 03:51:36,604
process.

5989
03:51:36,604 --> 03:51:37,305
It is actually extremely

5990
03:51:37,305 --> 03:51:40,305
difficult for a property to

5991
03:51:40,874 --> 03:51:41,676
qualify for a designation.

5992
03:51:41,676 --> 03:51:45,279
It must meet a rigorous set of

5993
03:51:45,279 --> 03:51:46,470
criteria a documented in a

5994
03:51:46,470 --> 03:51:46,748
report of 100 160 pages or a

5995
03:51:46,748 --> 03:51:49,148
longer review at public

5996
03:51:50,151 --> 03:51:52,551
meetings and a supermajority

5997
03:51:54,689 --> 03:51:55,356
vote by the h r b designation

5998
03:51:55,356 --> 03:51:56,910
does not dictate what

5999
03:51:56,910 --> 03:52:00,291
the property can be used for or

6000
03:52:00,295 --> 03:52:00,962
whether it can be modified,

6001
03:52:00,962 --> 03:52:01,696
moved or even demolished.

6002
03:52:01,696 --> 03:52:05,267
It simply ensures that its fate

6003
03:52:05,267 --> 03:52:05,934
is fairly considered along with

6004
03:52:05,934 --> 03:52:06,635
community and environmental

6005
03:52:06,635 --> 03:52:09,771
factors and the final land use

6006
03:52:09,771 --> 03:52:10,838
decision.

6007
03:52:10,838 --> 03:52:11,473
This is a red herring If all of

6008
03:52:11,473 --> 03:52:13,873
the properties that we're

6009
03:52:14,843 --> 03:52:15,544
potentially eligible for

6010
03:52:15,544 --> 03:52:19,144
designation in the city of San

6011
03:52:19,314 --> 03:52:20,140
Diego and represent around 1%

6012
03:52:20,140 --> 03:52:23,140
of the built environment, this

6013
03:52:24,552 --> 03:52:25,287
is not an issue.

6014
03:52:25,287 --> 03:52:28,991
Well as in the iab report it

6015
03:52:28,991 --> 03:52:29,691
says we only have conflicts of

6016
03:52:29,691 --> 03:52:30,225
less than one a year in

6017
03:52:30,225 --> 03:52:32,625
the last four years.

6018
03:52:33,562 --> 03:52:34,363
I think maybe we have had two

6019
03:52:34,363 --> 03:52:37,363
but they've all been resolved

6020
03:52:38,400 --> 03:52:39,101
This is just not worth all

6021
03:52:39,101 --> 03:52:42,701
the time and effort and money

6022
03:52:43,638 --> 03:52:44,673
the city is spending on this.

6023
03:52:44,673 --> 03:52:48,273
We have so has never stopped

6024
03:52:49,430 --> 03:52:49,745
the development that MAY come

6025
03:52:49,745 --> 03:52:50,546
as a surprise to some people

6026
03:52:50,546 --> 03:52:53,482
with all the rhetoric out there

6027
03:52:53,482 --> 03:52:54,216
but we never have.

6028
03:52:54,216 --> 03:52:56,616
We've delayed some developments

6029
03:52:58,487 --> 03:52:59,154
to get when you don't follow

6030
03:52:59,154 --> 03:52:59,855
the process but we've never

6031
03:52:59,855 --> 03:53:02,255
stopped the development where

6032
03:53:02,824 --> 03:53:03,492
we get into real problems is

6033
03:53:03,492 --> 03:53:04,159
when the city denies whether

6034
03:53:04,159 --> 03:53:04,426
the property is historic or

6035
03:53:04,426 --> 03:53:06,426
not.

6036
03:53:07,629 --> 03:53:08,297
That's already been deemed by

6037
03:53:08,297 --> 03:53:10,697
experts as historic doesn't

6038
03:53:12,167 --> 03:53:12,968
work real well and the law This

6039
03:53:12,968 --> 03:53:15,968
approach opens the doors to

6040
03:53:16,738 --> 03:53:17,720
multiple legal challenges and

6041
03:53:17,720 --> 03:53:17,773
delays.

6042
03:53:17,773 --> 03:53:21,373
The right approach is what we

6043
03:53:21,977 --> 03:53:22,678
saw with the Sports Arena

6044
03:53:22,678 --> 03:53:25,678
project that the building was

6045
03:53:26,800 --> 03:53:26,749
recognized as historic a report

6046
03:53:26,749 --> 03:53:29,749
was done, it went through

6047
03:53:30,552 --> 03:53:31,253
the process was designated and

6048
03:53:31,253 --> 03:53:34,253
then the developer came back

6049
03:53:34,724 --> 03:53:35,291
with the right argument,

6050
03:53:35,291 --> 03:53:35,691
the one that's legally

6051
03:53:35,691 --> 03:53:37,691
defensible.

6052
03:53:39,695 --> 03:53:40,396
Well, we know it's historic but

6053
03:53:40,396 --> 03:53:44,367
we can't use it in the new

6054
03:53:44,367 --> 03:53:44,967
development and we think

6055
03:53:44,967 --> 03:53:45,568
the development is more

6056
03:53:45,568 --> 03:53:46,302
important and they made

6057
03:53:46,302 --> 03:53:49,472
the case to get it removed That

6058
03:53:49,472 --> 03:53:51,872
went through smoothly, no

6059
03:53:53,709 --> 03:53:54,510
delays and was approved.

6060
03:53:54,510 --> 03:53:55,244
That's the way it should be

6061
03:53:55,244 --> 03:53:58,844
done If you deny it's historic.

6062
03:53:59,215 --> 03:53:59,548
We have all kinds of challenges

6063
03:53:59,548 --> 03:54:00,349
to that.

6064
03:54:00,349 --> 03:54:01,317
If you say it's historic and I

6065
03:54:01,317 --> 03:54:04,917
don't want it, it's a different

6066
03:54:07,155 --> 03:54:07,723
argument The h r b and

6067
03:54:07,723 --> 03:54:09,723
reviewing board bodies

6068
03:54:11,827 --> 03:54:12,528
supported the decision on

6069
03:54:12,528 --> 03:54:13,195
the on the sports arena in

6070
03:54:13,195 --> 03:54:16,195
contrast from trying to deny

6071
03:54:16,232 --> 03:54:16,866
something as historic as almost

6072
03:54:16,866 --> 03:54:18,866
always creates unnecessary

6073
03:54:21,103 --> 03:54:21,737
conflicts and delay the city

6074
03:54:21,737 --> 03:54:23,737
council itself established

6075
03:54:25,541 --> 03:54:26,242
the current process so subject

6076
03:54:26,242 --> 03:54:26,875
matter experts not politicians

6077
03:54:26,875 --> 03:54:29,275
would make the designation

6078
03:54:30,613 --> 03:54:31,347
decisions.

6079
03:54:31,347 --> 03:54:34,347
The structure was designed to

6080
03:54:35,451 --> 03:54:36,520
save council time, avoid legal

6081
03:54:36,520 --> 03:54:36,786
lengthy apparent appeal

6082
03:54:36,786 --> 03:54:39,786
hearings and you know everybody

6083
03:54:41,190 --> 03:54:41,891
that has an ax to grind come up

6084
03:54:41,891 --> 03:54:45,161
here and appeal to the council

6085
03:54:45,161 --> 03:54:46,280
for for no reason.

6086
03:54:46,280 --> 03:54:49,628
This idea of de novo hearing

6087
03:54:49,632 --> 03:54:50,600
comes up every few years has

6088
03:54:50,600 --> 03:54:54,838
multiple times but no h r b is

6089
03:54:54,838 --> 03:54:58,438
approved it no city council has

6090
03:54:59,842 --> 03:55:02,842
approved it and that's because

6091
03:55:04,480 --> 03:55:05,181
these proposals return change

6092
03:55:05,181 --> 03:55:06,490
the fact based current process

6093
03:55:06,490 --> 03:55:10,153
to a political free for all If

6094
03:55:10,153 --> 03:55:10,786
the proposed new appeal grounds

6095
03:55:10,786 --> 03:55:11,454
for de novo hearings were

6096
03:55:11,454 --> 03:55:13,854
adopted anybody could appeal

6097
03:55:14,324 --> 03:55:14,957
for any reason that would

6098
03:55:14,957 --> 03:55:17,357
create more certainty for

6099
03:55:18,962 --> 03:55:19,561
developers, not less and or

6100
03:55:19,561 --> 03:55:20,230
whatever and inevitably

6101
03:55:20,230 --> 03:55:22,630
increase both litigation and

6102
03:55:23,833 --> 03:55:24,634
project delays.

6103
03:55:24,634 --> 03:55:25,400
Instead we could move remove it

6104
03:55:25,400 --> 03:55:28,400
entirely from your hands like

6105
03:55:29,806 --> 03:55:31,741
we had to do with the historic

6106
03:55:31,741 --> 03:55:32,475
districts as we have in process

6107
03:55:32,475 --> 03:55:36,750
one and almost eight years like

6108
03:55:36,780 --> 03:55:41,580
we had to do with them and we

6109
03:55:41,584 --> 03:55:42,252
could go to the state or to

6110
03:55:42,252 --> 03:55:42,819
the National Register or any

6111
03:55:42,819 --> 03:55:45,819
other body and get it

6112
03:55:46,456 --> 03:55:46,990
designated And you still have

6113
03:55:46,990 --> 03:55:47,691
to deal with sequel.

6114
03:55:47,691 --> 03:55:50,910
Remember the Coronado Railroad

6115
03:55:51,395 --> 03:55:52,280
check almost ten years to

6116
03:55:52,280 --> 03:55:54,428
resolve and three lawsuits

6117
03:55:56,533 --> 03:55:57,267
before it was all resolved Each

6118
03:55:57,267 --> 03:55:57,968
time the lawsuits were resolved

6119
03:55:57,968 --> 03:56:01,400
in our favor And then we just

6120
03:56:01,400 --> 03:56:01,437
got back to where we were at

6121
03:56:01,437 --> 03:56:02,720
the beginning.

6122
03:56:02,720 --> 03:56:02,472
We weren't trying to stop

6123
03:56:02,472 --> 03:56:03,600
the project.

6124
03:56:03,600 --> 03:56:06,600
We wanted as much of

6125
03:56:06,509 --> 03:56:07,210
the resource preserved as part

6126
03:56:07,210 --> 03:56:10,680
of the project as possible and

6127
03:56:10,680 --> 03:56:11,381
it fairly treated not denying

6128
03:56:11,381 --> 03:56:14,381
that it was historic just

6129
03:56:16,853 --> 03:56:17,520
causes you know like I said

6130
03:56:17,520 --> 03:56:19,623
the delays it's it's and you

6131
03:56:19,623 --> 03:56:20,424
hear me laughing a little but I

6132
03:56:20,424 --> 03:56:20,824
it just doesn't make any sense

6133
03:56:20,824 --> 03:56:22,824
to do that.

6134
03:56:25,228 --> 03:56:25,929
It's anyhow it could delay

6135
03:56:25,929 --> 03:56:28,329
projects that could cost

6136
03:56:31,201 --> 03:56:32,680
projects They had story tax

6137
03:56:32,680 --> 03:56:34,271
credits as far as trying to use

6138
03:56:34,271 --> 03:56:35,370
them because they're time

6139
03:56:35,370 --> 03:56:38,370
sensitive and applying for tax

6140
03:56:39,276 --> 03:56:40,243
credits.

6141
03:56:40,243 --> 03:56:40,911
So none of this is possible in

6142
03:56:40,911 --> 03:56:43,311
the current process because

6143
03:56:44,470 --> 03:56:44,414
the h r b decisions currently

6144
03:56:44,414 --> 03:56:45,215
are final.

6145
03:56:45,215 --> 03:56:48,815
We have lost so many resources

6146
03:56:49,286 --> 03:56:49,987
to decay fire, demolition,

6147
03:56:49,987 --> 03:56:52,387
neglect and redevelopment Each

6148
03:56:54,156 --> 03:56:54,691
year the number of surviving

6149
03:56:54,691 --> 03:56:55,392
sites declines with

6150
03:56:55,392 --> 03:56:58,392
the proposed changes even more

6151
03:56:58,729 --> 03:56:59,329
of these era in irreplaceable

6152
03:56:59,329 --> 03:57:00,970
resources will be lost.

6153
03:57:00,970 --> 03:57:03,697
The whole reason this is being

6154
03:57:03,967 --> 03:57:04,701
proposed is to demolish more

6155
03:57:04,701 --> 03:57:05,100
historic structures than you do

6156
03:57:05,100 --> 03:57:07,100
today.

6157
03:57:08,638 --> 03:57:09,380
We should not make it easier to

6158
03:57:09,380 --> 03:57:09,740
remove them.

6159
03:57:09,740 --> 03:57:13,340
These are the sites that make

6160
03:57:13,510 --> 03:57:14,211
San Diego beautiful

6161
03:57:14,211 --> 03:57:14,878
economically prosper and help

6162
03:57:14,878 --> 03:57:16,878
preserve naturally occurring

6163
03:57:18,482 --> 03:57:19,216
affordable housing.

6164
03:57:19,216 --> 03:57:19,916
They are what make our city

6165
03:57:19,916 --> 03:57:22,916
unique The places places that

6166
03:57:23,787 --> 03:57:24,455
sets San Diego apart and make

6167
03:57:24,455 --> 03:57:25,155
it one of the most desirable

6168
03:57:25,155 --> 03:57:28,155
places to live and visit

6169
03:57:28,192 --> 03:57:31,792
the few years ago Los Angeles

6170
03:57:32,629 --> 03:57:33,330
checked to see what heritage

6171
03:57:33,330 --> 03:57:35,730
tourism visitors who actually

6172
03:57:37,835 --> 03:57:38,636
spend twice as much spend twice

6173
03:57:38,636 --> 03:57:39,203
as long as other tourists we're

6174
03:57:39,203 --> 03:57:39,602
looking at in Southern

6175
03:57:39,602 --> 03:57:41,602
California.

6176
03:57:42,873 --> 03:57:43,640
And so they studied San Diego.

6177
03:57:43,640 --> 03:57:44,400
Do you think we would have

6178
03:57:44,400 --> 03:57:46,400
studied it?

6179
03:57:47,110 --> 03:57:47,677
But as the neighborhoods it's

6180
03:57:47,677 --> 03:57:48,446
the world being in a place

6181
03:57:48,446 --> 03:57:51,446
different from where they were

6182
03:57:52,160 --> 03:57:52,716
from, they want to experience

6183
03:57:52,716 --> 03:57:56,253
being there, sitting in a cafe

6184
03:57:56,253 --> 03:57:56,687
on the street and enjoying

6185
03:57:56,687 --> 03:57:57,354
the ambiance.

6186
03:57:57,354 --> 03:58:00,354
But once these resources are

6187
03:58:01,492 --> 03:58:02,426
gone they're gone forever.

6188
03:58:02,426 --> 03:58:02,726
You MAY wonder why we fight so

6189
03:58:02,726 --> 03:58:04,726
hard.

6190
03:58:05,863 --> 03:58:06,196
Well, we don't get a second

6191
03:58:06,196 --> 03:58:06,931
chance.

6192
03:58:06,931 --> 03:58:09,931
The quality of life is

6193
03:58:10,234 --> 03:58:10,800
irreparably diminished when we

6194
03:58:10,800 --> 03:58:12,800
lose these resources.

6195
03:58:14,672 --> 03:58:15,372
Finally well not finally you

6196
03:58:15,372 --> 03:58:15,973
you don't have the information

6197
03:58:15,973 --> 03:58:18,973
required by law to make

6198
03:58:19,843 --> 03:58:20,510
the decision today the city has

6199
03:58:20,510 --> 03:58:21,212
not completed the necessary

6200
03:58:21,212 --> 03:58:23,212
environmental review analysis

6201
03:58:25,149 --> 03:58:25,850
are provided the mitigate and

6202
03:58:25,850 --> 03:58:28,850
some people forget that that's

6203
03:58:29,420 --> 03:58:29,787
required to support such a

6204
03:58:29,787 --> 03:58:30,488
decision.

6205
03:58:30,488 --> 03:58:33,488
Without that work you cannot

6206
03:58:33,991 --> 03:58:34,692
legally process this proposal.

6207
03:58:34,692 --> 03:58:37,692
You are legally obligated to

6208
03:58:39,397 --> 03:58:39,996
reject it outright and tell

6209
03:58:39,996 --> 03:58:42,396
the required studies are

6210
03:58:44,702 --> 03:58:45,369
completed But the thing I mean

6211
03:58:45,369 --> 03:58:47,769
here about a little

6212
03:58:48,606 --> 03:58:49,373
disingenuous on the Ocean Beach

6213
03:58:49,373 --> 03:58:52,973
district saying it's it's a few

6214
03:58:53,544 --> 03:58:54,178
cottages but staff doesn't know

6215
03:58:54,178 --> 03:58:54,879
what the resources are and

6216
03:58:54,879 --> 03:58:57,714
should be should they haven't

6217
03:58:57,714 --> 03:58:58,216
done the survey It's commercial

6218
03:58:58,216 --> 03:59:00,216
it's recreational.

6219
03:59:02,920 --> 03:59:03,320
There is a whole part called

6220
03:59:03,320 --> 03:59:03,988
Wonderland.

6221
03:59:03,988 --> 03:59:07,588
Part of that is still there.

6222
03:59:08,158 --> 03:59:08,526
It's social it's community

6223
03:59:08,526 --> 03:59:10,526
activism.

6224
03:59:13,364 --> 03:59:13,797
It's national activism.

6225
03:59:13,797 --> 03:59:14,465
They're there.

6226
03:59:14,465 --> 03:59:16,865
The churches, the businesses

6227
03:59:18,202 --> 03:59:19,200
are full Survey has to be done

6228
03:59:19,200 --> 03:59:19,971
before you know what there is

6229
03:59:19,971 --> 03:59:23,207
to be lost And you can't do

6230
03:59:23,207 --> 03:59:26,207
that without moving a district

6231
03:59:27,512 --> 03:59:28,279
nomination forward or seeking

6232
03:59:28,279 --> 03:59:28,913
to remove a current protection

6233
03:59:28,913 --> 03:59:31,313
that's currently in place

6234
03:59:32,750 --> 03:59:33,818
without doing the work.

6235
03:59:33,818 --> 03:59:37,321
Yeah, that is also not legally

6236
03:59:37,321 --> 03:59:38,890
enforceable.

6237
03:59:38,890 --> 03:59:40,489
So it's extremely important

6238
03:59:42,694 --> 03:59:43,127
that you take the time to do

6239
03:59:43,127 --> 03:59:43,962
this right.

6240
03:59:43,962 --> 03:59:46,798
Strip out Nobel hearing, strip

6241
03:59:46,798 --> 03:59:47,232
out the Ocean Beach one and

6242
03:59:47,232 --> 03:59:47,798
move forward.

6243
03:59:47,798 --> 03:59:50,198
Please do not forward

6244
03:59:51,369 --> 03:59:51,703
the current proposal as there

6245
03:59:51,703 --> 03:59:52,169
is now.

6246
03:59:52,169 --> 03:59:54,169
>> Yeah Yeah.

6247
03:59:55,774 --> 03:59:58,774
Craig Sherman Not here Craig

6248
04:00:02,447 --> 04:00:04,847
Sherman Christian Harms Good

6249
04:00:07,618 --> 04:00:08,286
afternoon I'm Kristen Harms

6250
04:00:08,286 --> 04:00:09,200
with the University Heights

6251
04:00:09,200 --> 04:00:12,200
Historical Society and I'm here

6252
04:00:12,691 --> 04:00:13,325
speaking on behalf of

6253
04:00:13,325 --> 04:00:13,892
the Neighborhood Preserve

6254
04:00:13,892 --> 04:00:15,892
Neighborhood Historic

6255
04:00:17,280 --> 04:00:17,796
Preservation Coalition in

6256
04:00:17,796 --> 04:00:20,796
strong opposition to package a

6257
04:00:21,666 --> 04:00:22,399
the Coalition represents 12

6258
04:00:22,399 --> 04:00:23,101
neighborhood based preservation

6259
04:00:23,101 --> 04:00:26,101
organizations I think many of

6260
04:00:26,971 --> 04:00:27,606
which are here today.

6261
04:00:27,606 --> 04:00:30,606
Raise your hands that have

6262
04:00:31,676 --> 04:00:32,377
decades of experience working

6263
04:00:32,377 --> 04:00:33,110
collaboratively with the city

6264
04:00:33,110 --> 04:00:35,411
on preservation policy and

6265
04:00:37,480 --> 04:00:37,783
implementation Yet Package a

6266
04:00:37,783 --> 04:00:40,183
was advanced without meaningful

6267
04:00:42,200 --> 04:00:42,687
community input and prioritizes

6268
04:00:42,687 --> 04:00:43,255
development efficiency over

6269
04:00:43,255 --> 04:00:45,655
the protection of our

6270
04:00:46,957 --> 04:00:47,593
irreplaceable all historic

6271
04:00:47,593 --> 04:00:49,593
resources Package weakens

6272
04:00:52,970 --> 04:00:52,798
protections makes it easier to

6273
04:00:52,798 --> 04:00:54,798
overturn historic designations

6274
04:00:56,468 --> 04:00:57,102
allows de novo review that

6275
04:00:57,102 --> 04:00:57,803
politicizes decisions and

6276
04:00:57,803 --> 04:00:59,803
separates environmental review

6277
04:01:01,839 --> 04:01:02,407
in ways that avoid a full

6278
04:01:02,407 --> 04:01:04,407
evaluation of impacts.

6279
04:01:06,278 --> 04:01:06,979
It will also accelerate

6280
04:01:06,979 --> 04:01:07,579
the loss of historic resources

6281
04:01:07,579 --> 04:01:09,979
in Ocean Beach Historic

6282
04:01:12,170 --> 04:01:12,718
District Comment Please reject

6283
04:01:12,718 --> 04:01:13,552
Thank you package and comment.

6284
04:01:13,552 --> 04:01:14,620
Alison Stewart You're our final

6285
04:01:14,620 --> 04:01:17,200
speaker here in Council

6286
04:01:19,625 --> 04:01:20,192
chambers Thank you.

6287
04:01:20,192 --> 04:01:20,893
My name is Elisa.

6288
04:01:20,893 --> 04:01:21,560
I'm a longtime Ocean Beach

6289
04:01:21,560 --> 04:01:23,960
resident here to oppose

6290
04:01:24,296 --> 04:01:24,997
the approval of preservation

6291
04:01:24,997 --> 04:01:27,997
and package progress Package a

6292
04:01:29,268 --> 04:01:29,935
what is being presented under

6293
04:01:29,935 --> 04:01:30,636
the guise of preservation is

6294
04:01:30,636 --> 04:01:33,636
actually doing the opposite of

6295
04:01:34,306 --> 04:01:34,706
that for our beloved town of

6296
04:01:34,706 --> 04:01:35,374
Ocean Beach.

6297
04:01:35,374 --> 04:01:36,800
This package claims to align

6298
04:01:36,800 --> 04:01:39,800
with the Strategic Plan to

6299
04:01:39,344 --> 04:01:40,780
protect and enrich our

6300
04:01:40,780 --> 04:01:42,780
neighborhoods via opportunities

6301
04:01:43,816 --> 04:01:44,516
for new homes which in itself

6302
04:01:44,516 --> 04:01:45,184
is a paradox because you can't

6303
04:01:45,184 --> 04:01:47,584
protect enrich anything when

6304
04:01:48,120 --> 04:01:48,654
you're Infilling our already

6305
04:01:48,654 --> 04:01:49,540
small lots with new

6306
04:01:49,540 --> 04:01:51,540
development.

6307
04:01:53,910 --> 04:01:53,758
>> It also claims to champions

6308
04:01:53,758 --> 04:01:54,460
sustainability by permitting

6309
04:01:54,460 --> 04:01:57,460
new homes located near transit

6310
04:01:58,564 --> 04:01:59,231
But there is no sufficient

6311
04:01:59,231 --> 04:02:02,231
transit in Ocean Beach that

6312
04:02:02,334 --> 04:02:03,135
will compensate for the strain

6313
04:02:03,135 --> 04:02:03,836
that this will put on

6314
04:02:03,836 --> 04:02:04,402
the already difficult parking

6315
04:02:04,402 --> 04:02:06,802
situation in our town.

6316
04:02:07,873 --> 04:02:08,607
Your number one job as City

6317
04:02:08,607 --> 04:02:09,174
Council members is to represent

6318
04:02:09,174 --> 04:02:11,574
the interests of your

6319
04:02:12,878 --> 04:02:13,545
constituents and I promise that

6320
04:02:13,545 --> 04:02:14,179
none of your constituents in

6321
04:02:14,179 --> 04:02:16,579
any district support this.

6322
04:02:17,650 --> 04:02:18,350
Elections are coming up this

6323
04:02:18,350 --> 04:02:19,510
summer for half of you and

6324
04:02:19,510 --> 04:02:22,651
they'll be for the other half

6325
04:02:23,556 --> 04:02:24,323
soon And we will not forget how

6326
04:02:24,323 --> 04:02:24,824
you voted on that when we vote

6327
04:02:24,824 --> 04:02:25,257
at the ballot box.

6328
04:02:25,257 --> 04:02:27,260
>> Thank you.

6329
04:02:27,260 --> 04:02:29,260
Concluding comments.

6330
04:02:31,897 --> 04:02:32,764
>> That is the last speaker but

6331
04:02:32,764 --> 04:02:33,199
there's going to be a lot of

6332
04:02:33,199 --> 04:02:33,966
people online.

6333
04:02:33,966 --> 04:02:37,566
Just try to hold it down.

6334
04:02:37,802 --> 04:02:38,504
I think we're getting a clue

6335
04:02:38,504 --> 04:02:39,400
about who's out there and what

6336
04:02:39,400 --> 04:02:41,400
your feelings are.

6337
04:02:42,408 --> 04:02:42,942
>> I started the five minute

6338
04:02:42,942 --> 04:02:43,509
timer going to those

6339
04:02:43,509 --> 04:02:45,509
participating online.

6340
04:02:46,345 --> 04:02:47,780
It is one minute each.

6341
04:02:47,780 --> 04:02:47,713
We currently have nine speakers

6342
04:02:47,713 --> 04:02:48,381
in the queue starting with

6343
04:02:48,381 --> 04:02:51,381
Kevin Hastings If you can

6344
04:02:53,753 --> 04:02:54,453
please unmute.

6345
04:02:54,453 --> 04:02:56,853
>> Hi, I'm Kevin Hastings.

6346
04:02:58,357 --> 04:02:58,691
I'm on the lobby planning group

6347
04:02:58,691 --> 04:02:59,324
.

6348
04:02:59,324 --> 04:02:59,659
They did not support this

6349
04:02:59,659 --> 04:03:01,659
package.

6350
04:03:03,128 --> 04:03:03,829
The cpc did not support it.

6351
04:03:03,829 --> 04:03:04,362
The historic Resources Board

6352
04:03:04,362 --> 04:03:06,762
does not support it.

6353
04:03:07,799 --> 04:03:08,334
So I'd like to know for anyone

6354
04:03:08,334 --> 04:03:09,680
voting for this what

6355
04:03:09,680 --> 04:03:12,680
qualifications you guys have to

6356
04:03:13,720 --> 04:03:16,720
vote contrary to these experts.

6357
04:03:17,777 --> 04:03:18,544
MR. Danko said the purpose of

6358
04:03:18,544 --> 04:03:19,178
packaging one of them is to

6359
04:03:19,178 --> 04:03:21,578
quote identify and protect

6360
04:03:22,649 --> 04:03:23,150
historical properties and

6361
04:03:23,150 --> 04:03:23,716
district.

6362
04:03:23,716 --> 04:03:27,316
So I suggest instead of staff

6363
04:03:27,587 --> 04:03:28,254
spending time to erase the or b

6364
04:03:28,254 --> 04:03:28,888
Cottage district from their

6365
04:03:28,888 --> 04:03:31,888
website and erase it from

6366
04:03:32,191 --> 04:03:32,892
the municipal code, spend that

6367
04:03:32,892 --> 04:03:33,493
time serving our district for

6368
04:03:33,493 --> 04:03:35,493
contributing resources.

6369
04:03:38,264 --> 04:03:38,798
Staff are doing this in 12

6370
04:03:38,798 --> 04:03:39,732
other neighborhoods.

6371
04:03:39,732 --> 04:03:41,534
MR. Eco showed a map of Obi's

6372
04:03:41,534 --> 04:03:42,680
concentration compared to other

6373
04:03:42,680 --> 04:03:42,769
historic districts.

6374
04:03:42,769 --> 04:03:45,769
The difference there is those

6375
04:03:45,872 --> 04:03:46,573
districts have all those dots

6376
04:03:46,573 --> 04:03:46,906
because they've actually been

6377
04:03:46,906 --> 04:03:48,906
surveys.

6378
04:03:50,610 --> 04:03:51,311
O b deserves a survey before

6379
04:03:51,311 --> 04:03:51,778
being wiped off the map.

6380
04:03:51,778 --> 04:03:53,778
Thank you.

6381
04:03:54,981 --> 04:03:57,381
Next is Craig Benedetto.

6382
04:03:59,885 --> 04:04:00,420
>> If you can please unmute.

6383
04:04:00,420 --> 04:04:01,120
>> Good afternoon.

6384
04:04:01,120 --> 04:04:03,520
Craig Benedetto speaking today

6385
04:04:05,240 --> 04:04:05,859
on behalf of ne of San Diego.

6386
04:04:05,859 --> 04:04:06,393
We are here today to speak in

6387
04:04:06,393 --> 04:04:06,860
support of the staff

6388
04:04:06,860 --> 04:04:07,430
recommendation.

6389
04:04:07,430 --> 04:04:09,796
We'd like to recognize

6390
04:04:09,796 --> 04:04:10,396
the Planning Department for

6391
04:04:10,396 --> 04:04:11,970
their efforts to try and

6392
04:04:11,970 --> 04:04:11,698
balance all the inputs through

6393
04:04:11,698 --> 04:04:12,310
this thorough engagement

6394
04:04:12,310 --> 04:04:14,310
process.

6395
04:04:14,634 --> 04:04:15,335
We believe this is a balanced,

6396
04:04:15,335 --> 04:04:15,935
very modest package of changes

6397
04:04:15,935 --> 04:04:16,503
that reflects the city's

6398
04:04:16,503 --> 04:04:18,503
commitment to historic

6399
04:04:19,139 --> 04:04:19,739
preservation of important

6400
04:04:19,739 --> 04:04:20,373
resources as well as its

6401
04:04:20,373 --> 04:04:20,940
commitment to stakeholder

6402
04:04:20,940 --> 04:04:22,940
engagement and input.

6403
04:04:24,110 --> 04:04:24,711
It also commits to an

6404
04:04:24,711 --> 04:04:25,440
appropriate process for

6405
04:04:25,440 --> 04:04:25,711
appeals.

6406
04:04:25,711 --> 04:04:28,111
The concerns being expressed

6407
04:04:29,215 --> 04:04:29,916
that the council can't weigh

6408
04:04:29,916 --> 04:04:30,650
the technical merits and a de

6409
04:04:30,650 --> 04:04:33,200
novo hearing is just incorrect.

6410
04:04:33,200 --> 04:04:33,787
You handle these kinds of

6411
04:04:33,787 --> 04:04:34,520
issues every day and you are

6412
04:04:34,520 --> 04:04:35,255
elected to listen to the voices

6413
04:04:35,255 --> 04:04:37,757
of all of your constituents and

6414
04:04:37,757 --> 04:04:38,524
you do.

6415
04:04:38,524 --> 04:04:39,920
Please keep in mind that San

6416
04:04:39,920 --> 04:04:39,693
Diego is the outlier.

6417
04:04:39,693 --> 04:04:41,693
Most other jurisdictions

6418
04:04:43,300 --> 04:04:43,663
reserve historic designation

6419
04:04:43,663 --> 04:04:44,970
and appeals to the highest

6420
04:04:44,970 --> 04:04:44,731
elected body.

6421
04:04:44,731 --> 04:04:47,131
Ultimately we believe that

6422
04:04:47,901 --> 04:04:48,535
changes can be made to

6423
04:04:48,535 --> 04:04:49,269
the city's historic review

6424
04:04:49,269 --> 04:04:49,903
process that protects important

6425
04:04:49,903 --> 04:04:52,303
resources, allows for all

6426
04:04:53,373 --> 04:04:53,940
voices to be heard while also

6427
04:04:53,940 --> 04:04:54,641
reducing inappropriate

6428
04:04:54,641 --> 04:04:55,242
impediments to the creation of

6429
04:04:55,242 --> 04:04:57,642
much needed new housing.

6430
04:04:58,445 --> 04:04:59,145
Thank you for your

6431
04:04:59,145 --> 04:04:59,779
consideration your support of

6432
04:04:59,779 --> 04:05:01,779
the staff recommendation.

6433
04:05:03,416 --> 04:05:03,717
>> Peter if you can please and

6434
04:05:03,717 --> 04:05:04,151
mute.

6435
04:05:04,151 --> 04:05:06,151
Peter Kempson.

6436
04:05:07,520 --> 04:05:07,920
Hello.

6437
04:05:07,920 --> 04:05:08,488
Hi.

6438
04:05:08,488 --> 04:05:08,789
Can you hear me?

6439
04:05:08,789 --> 04:05:09,256
Yes.

6440
04:05:09,256 --> 04:05:11,256
Please proceed.

6441
04:05:13,694 --> 04:05:14,294
Peter Gibson.

6442
04:05:14,294 --> 04:05:14,995
I opposed packages from

6443
04:05:14,995 --> 04:05:17,531
the council tonight Package a

6444
04:05:17,531 --> 04:05:18,650
revised to remove the de novo

6445
04:05:18,650 --> 04:05:18,632
appeal for historic

6446
04:05:18,632 --> 04:05:20,632
designations and leave

6447
04:05:21,635 --> 04:05:22,336
the appeals process as is.

6448
04:05:22,336 --> 04:05:23,103
Prior to 97 the historic site

6449
04:05:23,103 --> 04:05:26,103
board was only advisory and

6450
04:05:26,707 --> 04:05:27,407
council could and did

6451
04:05:27,407 --> 04:05:28,700
relitigate almost every case.

6452
04:05:28,700 --> 04:05:30,700
The Council deliberately

6453
04:05:31,645 --> 04:05:32,279
shifted to the current model

6454
04:05:32,279 --> 04:05:32,946
for reasons of expertise,

6455
04:05:32,946 --> 04:05:34,946
efficiency and consistency.

6456
04:05:36,450 --> 04:05:37,117
The uncertainty others have

6457
04:05:37,117 --> 04:05:37,785
complained about comes from

6458
04:05:37,785 --> 04:05:38,452
decades of underfunding city

6459
04:05:38,452 --> 04:05:40,852
surveys and not implementing

6460
04:05:41,822 --> 04:05:42,522
historic districts.

6461
04:05:42,522 --> 04:05:43,900
Recreating a process that did

6462
04:05:43,900 --> 04:05:43,457
not work will not fix

6463
04:05:43,457 --> 04:05:45,457
the issue.

6464
04:05:46,727 --> 04:05:47,399
I also ask the city Council a

6465
04:05:47,399 --> 04:05:48,950
package of advice to ensure

6466
04:05:48,950 --> 04:05:50,497
that all districts are treated

6467
04:05:50,497 --> 04:05:50,998
the same and not single out a

6468
04:05:50,998 --> 04:05:51,598
single community.

6469
04:05:51,598 --> 04:05:53,598
Establishing boundaries.

6470
04:05:54,868 --> 04:05:55,535
All properties must have a

6471
04:05:55,535 --> 04:05:55,802
relationship contributing or

6472
04:05:55,802 --> 04:05:56,537
not.

6473
04:05:56,537 --> 04:05:59,537
To ensure that package achieves

6474
04:05:59,740 --> 04:06:00,440
its goal of advancing equity

6475
04:06:00,440 --> 04:06:01,141
preservation, it cannot single

6476
04:06:01,141 --> 04:06:01,542
out a single community such as

6477
04:06:01,542 --> 04:06:03,542
Ocean Beach.

6478
04:06:04,812 --> 04:06:05,679
Thank you.

6479
04:06:05,679 --> 04:06:06,130
>> Next is Daniel if you can

6480
04:06:06,130 --> 04:06:08,130
please.

6481
04:06:09,383 --> 04:06:09,783
Um you.

6482
04:06:09,783 --> 04:06:11,783
Hello.

6483
04:06:14,588 --> 04:06:15,322
My name is Daniel Dan.

6484
04:06:15,322 --> 04:06:15,923
I believe that package weakens

6485
04:06:15,923 --> 04:06:17,923
protections for historic

6486
04:06:19,426 --> 04:06:20,940
resources and allows political

6487
04:06:20,940 --> 04:06:20,694
override of expert decisions

6488
04:06:20,694 --> 04:06:23,940
through de novo appeals.

6489
04:06:24,765 --> 04:06:25,466
I ask the City council to stand

6490
04:06:25,466 --> 04:06:28,466
with the community and reject

6491
04:06:28,869 --> 04:06:29,637
package as currently written.

6492
04:06:29,637 --> 04:06:30,337
This proposal would result in

6493
04:06:30,337 --> 04:06:32,805
the permanent loss of historic

6494
04:06:32,805 --> 04:06:33,607
resources and it should be sent

6495
04:06:33,607 --> 04:06:34,275
back to be made better with

6496
04:06:34,275 --> 04:06:36,275
meaningful community input.

6497
04:06:37,844 --> 04:06:38,546
I care deeply about

6498
04:06:38,546 --> 04:06:39,790
the neighborhoods and historic

6499
04:06:39,790 --> 04:06:39,847
homes in San Diego.

6500
04:06:39,847 --> 04:06:43,500
I believe there is way too much

6501
04:06:43,500 --> 04:06:43,784
focus on increasing new housing

6502
04:06:43,784 --> 04:06:44,151
at any cost to the character of

6503
04:06:44,151 --> 04:06:46,151
our city.

6504
04:06:48,588 --> 04:06:49,290
Already even in my non historic

6505
04:06:49,290 --> 04:06:50,570
neighborhood of Mira mesa most

6506
04:06:50,570 --> 04:06:53,294
of the 80 use allowed or too

6507
04:06:53,294 --> 04:06:53,960
large and the architecture

6508
04:06:53,960 --> 04:06:56,960
clashes with the homes built

6509
04:06:57,980 --> 04:06:57,498
here by and large in the 1970s

6510
04:06:57,498 --> 04:06:58,265
and 1980s.

6511
04:06:58,265 --> 04:06:59,660
The 80 you stand out like a

6512
04:06:59,660 --> 04:07:02,660
sore thumb are and are

6513
04:07:02,302 --> 04:07:02,937
positioned in ridiculous

6514
04:07:02,937 --> 04:07:03,504
locations and front yards

6515
04:07:03,504 --> 04:07:05,504
looming over residents

6516
04:07:06,873 --> 04:07:07,475
backyards ruining the views of

6517
04:07:07,475 --> 04:07:08,175
neighbors and impacting

6518
04:07:08,175 --> 04:07:08,775
communities with more vehicles

6519
04:07:08,775 --> 04:07:11,212
And crowded parking in a

6520
04:07:11,212 --> 04:07:11,712
neighborhood already notorious

6521
04:07:11,712 --> 04:07:14,112
for too many cars.

6522
04:07:16,117 --> 04:07:16,751
Please reject package a.

6523
04:07:16,751 --> 04:07:19,151
Next is Katherine Rhodes.

6524
04:07:20,821 --> 04:07:21,221
If you can please unmute.

6525
04:07:21,221 --> 04:07:21,922
Hello.

6526
04:07:21,922 --> 04:07:22,423
This is Katherine Rhodes from

6527
04:07:22,423 --> 04:07:24,423
the pli Heritage.

6528
04:07:25,493 --> 04:07:26,160
It was great to see community

6529
04:07:26,160 --> 04:07:26,894
activist Mandy Havlik who's

6530
04:07:26,894 --> 04:07:29,894
running for council district to

6531
04:07:30,465 --> 04:07:31,199
oppose package.

6532
04:07:31,199 --> 04:07:31,833
The Ocean Beach community does

6533
04:07:31,833 --> 04:07:34,833
not want these changes put

6534
04:07:35,503 --> 04:07:36,203
forth by developers and I'm

6535
04:07:36,203 --> 04:07:36,803
just going to talk about some

6536
04:07:36,803 --> 04:07:39,203
I'll be talking points.

6537
04:07:41,800 --> 04:07:41,409
The historic nature of Kobe is

6538
04:07:41,409 --> 04:07:43,409
undisputed.

6539
04:07:44,745 --> 04:07:45,245
The community is historic not

6540
04:07:45,245 --> 04:07:45,846
just single lot.

6541
04:07:45,846 --> 04:07:46,514
>> Applications for her

6542
04:07:46,514 --> 04:07:48,914
historic district was filed

6543
04:07:49,450 --> 04:07:50,151
with the state in 1999.

6544
04:07:50,151 --> 04:07:52,551
Residents and property owners

6545
04:07:54,589 --> 04:07:55,256
has relied on this designation

6546
04:07:55,256 --> 04:07:55,590
for over a quarter of a

6547
04:07:55,590 --> 04:07:56,157
century.

6548
04:07:56,157 --> 04:07:58,157
Bob needs protection.

6549
04:07:59,460 --> 04:08:00,128
It's already one of the densest

6550
04:08:00,128 --> 04:08:02,528
communities with smaller lot

6551
04:08:03,531 --> 04:08:04,650
size rear yard homes and

6552
04:08:04,650 --> 04:08:04,899
multiple apartments.

6553
04:08:04,899 --> 04:08:07,899
70 to 80% of all be residents

6554
04:08:08,770 --> 04:08:09,637
are renters.

6555
04:08:09,637 --> 04:08:13,837
Lp is not some all rich white

6556
04:08:13,975 --> 04:08:14,609
exclusive neighborhood made up

6557
04:08:14,609 --> 04:08:14,909
of entirely single family

6558
04:08:14,909 --> 04:08:16,909
homes.

6559
04:08:18,645 --> 04:08:19,280
Historic Resource Board opposed

6560
04:08:19,280 --> 04:08:19,948
to the Community Planning

6561
04:08:19,948 --> 04:08:22,948
Committee post at the Ocean

6562
04:08:22,951 --> 04:08:23,751
Beach Planning Board opposed it

6563
04:08:23,751 --> 04:08:27,351
and your time has my apologies.

6564
04:08:28,256 --> 04:08:28,990
Your time has concluded.

6565
04:08:28,990 --> 04:08:29,724
The five minute timer has also

6566
04:08:29,724 --> 04:08:30,158
concluded There are five people

6567
04:08:30,158 --> 04:08:32,158
in the queue.

6568
04:08:33,127 --> 04:08:33,828
The additional people will be

6569
04:08:33,828 --> 04:08:34,496
taken the original If you can

6570
04:08:34,496 --> 04:08:37,496
please unmute and the double

6571
04:08:37,999 --> 04:08:38,700
speak in this item is off

6572
04:08:38,700 --> 04:08:39,334
the chart You guys circumvent

6573
04:08:39,334 --> 04:08:42,404
the will of the people all

6574
04:08:42,404 --> 04:08:43,710
the time No matter how many

6575
04:08:43,710 --> 04:08:43,872
times people say they don't

6576
04:08:43,872 --> 04:08:47,208
want it you will go above and

6577
04:08:47,208 --> 04:08:47,876
beyond them to try and

6578
04:08:47,876 --> 04:08:48,510
implement something And all

6579
04:08:48,510 --> 04:08:50,910
while you're sitting here

6580
04:08:51,580 --> 04:08:52,280
saying that it's going to

6581
04:08:52,280 --> 04:08:53,140
preserve or protect you Use

6582
04:08:53,140 --> 04:08:56,140
the gaslighting words that do

6583
04:08:56,585 --> 04:08:57,284
the complete opposite it And

6584
04:08:57,284 --> 04:08:57,585
you guys you're going to pass

6585
04:08:57,585 --> 04:08:58,453
this.

6586
04:08:58,453 --> 04:09:02,530
That's what's so sad is that

6587
04:09:02,624 --> 04:09:03,391
you we hear you look out for do

6588
04:09:03,391 --> 04:09:05,861
you and are you going to do

6589
04:09:05,861 --> 04:09:06,561
the right thing because your

6590
04:09:06,561 --> 04:09:07,262
actions will speak very loudly

6591
04:09:07,262 --> 04:09:10,862
more than your words And it's

6592
04:09:10,932 --> 04:09:11,600
like you guys sit here and just

6593
04:09:11,600 --> 04:09:15,200
the fact that you use other

6594
04:09:15,671 --> 04:09:16,338
means to go above and beyond

6595
04:09:16,338 --> 04:09:17,710
the people when you sit here

6596
04:09:17,710 --> 04:09:19,908
and say you represent them, you

6597
04:09:19,908 --> 04:09:20,609
want to do the best for them

6598
04:09:20,609 --> 04:09:21,576
and then you go around.

6599
04:09:21,576 --> 04:09:24,879
So it's just people need to

6600
04:09:24,879 --> 04:09:25,613
really pay attention and see

6601
04:09:25,613 --> 04:09:29,213
that this government that is in

6602
04:09:29,451 --> 04:09:30,184
place that you didn't install

6603
04:09:30,184 --> 04:09:30,819
that has been installed because

6604
04:09:30,819 --> 04:09:31,486
they need them there to do

6605
04:09:31,486 --> 04:09:34,486
these things that they don't

6606
04:09:34,523 --> 04:09:35,223
care about You and they will

6607
04:09:35,223 --> 04:09:35,591
never do what's in your best

6608
04:09:35,591 --> 04:09:36,458
interest.

6609
04:09:36,458 --> 04:09:40,329
As you can see time and time

6610
04:09:40,329 --> 04:09:40,962
again.

6611
04:09:40,962 --> 04:09:43,362
Next is Rene Moser.

6612
04:09:43,932 --> 04:09:44,700
If you can please unmute.

6613
04:09:44,700 --> 04:09:45,166
>> Hi, good afternoon Chair and

6614
04:09:45,166 --> 04:09:47,166
council members.

6615
04:09:49,638 --> 04:09:50,271
My name is Rene Mazur with

6616
04:09:50,271 --> 04:09:51,500
the Atlantic Group and we

6617
04:09:51,500 --> 04:09:51,673
wanted to thank staff for their

6618
04:09:51,673 --> 04:09:53,509
thoughtful and comprehensive

6619
04:09:53,509 --> 04:09:54,176
work on Package a We support

6620
04:09:54,176 --> 04:09:54,877
the general Plan amendments.

6621
04:09:54,877 --> 04:09:57,277
The Targeted Land Development

6622
04:09:58,280 --> 04:09:58,947
Code updates and the refocusing

6623
04:09:58,947 --> 04:09:59,581
of the Historic Preservation

6624
04:09:59,581 --> 04:10:02,581
Fund to advance equity and

6625
04:10:03,285 --> 04:10:03,986
support Historically

6626
04:10:03,986 --> 04:10:04,653
underrepresented communities.

6627
04:10:04,653 --> 04:10:06,653
The clarifications regarding

6628
04:10:08,157 --> 04:10:08,857
complete communities housing

6629
04:10:08,857 --> 04:10:09,591
solutions with within emerging

6630
04:10:09,591 --> 04:10:11,991
and thematic historic districts

6631
04:10:12,861 --> 04:10:13,495
provide important regulatory

6632
04:10:13,495 --> 04:10:14,129
clarity while maintaining

6633
04:10:14,129 --> 04:10:16,129
protections for designated

6634
04:10:17,833 --> 04:10:18,567
contributing resources.

6635
04:10:18,567 --> 04:10:19,268
We look forward to Package b

6636
04:10:19,268 --> 04:10:19,702
and we respectfully encourage

6637
04:10:19,702 --> 04:10:21,702
your approval.

6638
04:10:22,905 --> 04:10:23,672
Thank you.

6639
04:10:23,672 --> 04:10:26,720
>> Next is Jeffrey Ansen.

6640
04:10:27,810 --> 04:10:28,577
If you can please unmute.

6641
04:10:28,577 --> 04:10:31,577
>> So this is Jeffrey Hansen

6642
04:10:32,246 --> 04:10:33,150
for Craig Sherman apc You

6643
04:10:33,150 --> 04:10:36,615
received a letter now on behalf

6644
04:10:36,619 --> 04:10:37,285
of Coastal caretakers received

6645
04:10:37,285 --> 04:10:38,860
a letter commenting on ceqa

6646
04:10:38,860 --> 04:10:41,560
issues And I know that you've

6647
04:10:41,560 --> 04:10:41,790
heard a lot about that today.

6648
04:10:41,790 --> 04:10:45,390
If you could please review that

6649
04:10:45,761 --> 04:10:46,462
letter as well as the coastal

6650
04:10:46,462 --> 04:10:46,862
caretakers letter and vote no

6651
04:10:46,862 --> 04:10:48,862
on item 332.

6652
04:10:50,666 --> 04:10:50,966
I would add one additional

6653
04:10:50,966 --> 04:10:51,667
piece.

6654
04:10:51,667 --> 04:10:54,670
There's case cited protection

6655
04:10:55,471 --> 04:10:56,172
of Oakland's architectural and

6656
04:10:56,172 --> 04:10:56,939
historic resources v city of

6657
04:10:56,939 --> 04:10:59,939
Oakland that cases cited in

6658
04:11:00,709 --> 04:11:01,510
the letter and I just want to

6659
04:11:01,510 --> 04:11:05,110
quote to you that that court

6660
04:11:05,548 --> 04:11:06,247
quote decline to adopt

6661
04:11:06,247 --> 04:11:06,949
the position that nothing less

6662
04:11:06,949 --> 04:11:09,949
than official designation of a

6663
04:11:10,252 --> 04:11:13,252
building as an historic and

6664
04:11:15,570 --> 04:11:15,724
resource is suffices to trigger

6665
04:11:15,724 --> 04:11:16,392
secular requirements and in

6666
04:11:16,392 --> 04:11:19,392
fact it's a determination of

6667
04:11:20,229 --> 04:11:20,796
whether the property MAY be

6668
04:11:20,796 --> 04:11:22,796
eligible for listing.

6669
04:11:25,301 --> 04:11:25,967
So when you review the letter,

6670
04:11:25,967 --> 04:11:29,438
please keep that in mind on

6671
04:11:29,438 --> 04:11:29,939
that second issue and with

6672
04:11:29,939 --> 04:11:31,939
that, thank you.

6673
04:11:34,848 --> 04:11:35,144
>> Next is Patricia Foley

6674
04:11:35,144 --> 04:11:35,911
again.

6675
04:11:35,911 --> 04:11:36,612
If you raise your hand after

6676
04:11:36,612 --> 04:11:37,279
the five minute time where you

6677
04:11:37,279 --> 04:11:40,279
can definitely send in your

6678
04:11:40,483 --> 04:11:41,117
comments the city clerk at San

6679
04:11:41,117 --> 04:11:41,517
diego.Gov and they will be

6680
04:11:41,517 --> 04:11:43,517
distributed.

6681
04:11:44,530 --> 04:11:44,920
>> Patricia please proceed.

6682
04:11:44,920 --> 04:11:48,520
Hi Yes dear council members can

6683
04:11:48,791 --> 04:11:49,920
you hear me?

6684
04:11:49,920 --> 04:11:49,559
Yes.

6685
04:11:49,559 --> 04:11:49,859
Please proceed.

6686
04:11:49,859 --> 04:11:50,226
Okay.

6687
04:11:50,226 --> 04:11:50,525
I'm sorry.

6688
04:11:50,525 --> 04:11:51,260
Okay.

6689
04:11:51,260 --> 04:11:53,660
Protect our historic district's

6690
04:11:53,863 --> 04:11:54,630
reject package.

6691
04:11:54,630 --> 04:11:55,264
All town stands is another

6692
04:11:55,264 --> 04:11:58,264
clear example of long term

6693
04:11:58,534 --> 04:11:59,680
disinvestment in historic and

6694
04:11:59,680 --> 04:11:59,768
cultural resources.

6695
04:11:59,768 --> 04:12:01,768
>> Presidio already identified

6696
04:12:04,400 --> 04:12:04,841
on Soho's most endangered list

6697
04:12:04,841 --> 04:12:05,575
along with El Campo, Santo and

6698
04:12:05,575 --> 04:12:08,178
the Adobe Chapel represent some

6699
04:12:08,178 --> 04:12:08,878
of the last remaining historic

6700
04:12:08,878 --> 04:12:09,512
structures outside of the core

6701
04:12:09,512 --> 04:12:11,912
historic district the new

6702
04:12:13,983 --> 04:12:14,283
tribal Park and state Historic

6703
04:12:14,283 --> 04:12:15,151
Park.

6704
04:12:15,151 --> 04:12:15,851
And let us remember Old Town is

6705
04:12:15,851 --> 04:12:18,254
part of the most visited state

6706
04:12:18,254 --> 04:12:18,888
historic perking California.

6707
04:12:18,888 --> 04:12:20,888
More importantly, over 200

6708
04:12:23,159 --> 04:12:23,793
tribal members and descendants

6709
04:12:23,793 --> 04:12:24,427
remain buried at Presidio.

6710
04:12:24,427 --> 04:12:26,827
Yet the neglect continues.

6711
04:12:28,531 --> 04:12:29,232
Fires Encampments, biohazard

6712
04:12:29,232 --> 04:12:31,632
hazardous waste, human impacts

6713
04:12:33,369 --> 04:12:34,700
broken chain link fencing,

6714
04:12:34,700 --> 04:12:36,470
debris, invisible burn areas.

6715
04:12:38,308 --> 04:12:38,675
This is a national historic

6716
04:12:38,675 --> 04:12:39,175
landmark.

6717
04:12:39,175 --> 04:12:39,876
With this level of

6718
04:12:39,876 --> 04:12:42,276
deterioration be tolerated at

6719
04:12:42,812 --> 04:12:43,513
Cabrillo National Monument or

6720
04:12:43,513 --> 04:12:46,513
at any other historic cemetery

6721
04:12:47,951 --> 04:12:48,318
in San Diego, your time has

6722
04:12:48,318 --> 04:12:48,785
completed.

6723
04:12:48,785 --> 04:12:49,386
>> My apologies.

6724
04:12:49,386 --> 04:12:51,786
Your time has concluded.

6725
04:12:51,887 --> 04:12:54,887
Hobbs is our final speaker.

6726
04:12:56,860 --> 04:13:01,600
If you can please unmute I was

6727
04:13:01,264 --> 04:13:01,665
I can't unmute for you.

6728
04:13:01,665 --> 04:13:03,665
Sorry.

6729
04:13:05,635 --> 04:13:08,635
Thank you for including me.

6730
04:13:09,573 --> 04:13:13,773
I'm here to speak that I'd like

6731
04:13:14,678 --> 04:13:18,278
to see the proposal denied for

6732
04:13:19,115 --> 04:13:19,849
the many reasons that people

6733
04:13:19,849 --> 04:13:20,482
have spoke today including that

6734
04:13:20,482 --> 04:13:22,482
removing these protections

6735
04:13:23,720 --> 04:13:24,387
would erode the character of

6736
04:13:24,387 --> 04:13:27,987
Ocean Beach and it would not

6737
04:13:28,258 --> 04:13:28,858
create affordable housing

6738
04:13:28,858 --> 04:13:31,858
the taller out of scale

6739
04:13:33,296 --> 04:13:33,997
incompatible developments once

6740
04:13:33,997 --> 04:13:34,563
they're introduced the damage

6741
04:13:34,563 --> 04:13:35,980
will be permanent and

6742
04:13:35,980 --> 04:13:37,498
the unique charm and

6743
04:13:37,634 --> 04:13:38,334
the historic fabric of ocean

6744
04:13:38,334 --> 04:13:38,935
Beach will be replaced by

6745
04:13:38,935 --> 04:13:39,536
structures that will be

6746
04:13:39,536 --> 04:13:41,536
suffering The connection

6747
04:13:42,873 --> 04:13:43,373
between the communities past

6748
04:13:43,373 --> 04:13:43,773
and its future.

6749
04:13:43,773 --> 04:13:44,141
Thank you.

6750
04:13:44,141 --> 04:13:45,700
Thank you.

6751
04:13:45,700 --> 04:13:48,700
And that does conclude public

6752
04:13:48,211 --> 04:13:48,945
comment on this item.

6753
04:13:48,945 --> 04:13:49,313
>> Thank you Council PRESIDENT

6754
04:13:49,313 --> 04:13:51,313
All right.

6755
04:13:52,950 --> 04:13:53,650
Thank you City Clerk Thank you

6756
04:13:53,650 --> 04:13:54,151
for everybody who showed up in

6757
04:13:54,151 --> 04:13:54,918
chambers to speak.

6758
04:13:54,918 --> 04:13:57,387
Thank you For those who see

6759
04:13:57,387 --> 04:13:58,870
the time because it's so much

6760
04:13:58,870 --> 04:13:58,855
more efficient and we actually

6761
04:13:58,855 --> 04:14:02,292
get a better story for those

6762
04:14:02,292 --> 04:14:02,826
who put their words together

6763
04:14:02,826 --> 04:14:04,826
over ten 15 minutes.

6764
04:14:06,897 --> 04:14:07,597
>> But I appreciate those who

6765
04:14:07,597 --> 04:14:08,465
actually speak for one minute

6766
04:14:08,465 --> 04:14:11,502
and try to pack a lot in and

6767
04:14:11,502 --> 04:14:12,236
that 60s Thank you city Clerk

6768
04:14:12,236 --> 04:14:15,836
for once again handling it very

6769
04:14:16,390 --> 04:14:16,840
professionally and courteously

6770
04:14:16,840 --> 04:14:17,541
with all the folks many who

6771
04:14:17,541 --> 04:14:21,110
showed up for the first time.

6772
04:14:21,110 --> 04:14:21,745
So with that will now turn it

6773
04:14:21,745 --> 04:14:22,346
over to our council members for

6774
04:14:22,346 --> 04:14:24,346
questions, comments and

6775
04:14:26,149 --> 04:14:26,917
entertain a motion.

6776
04:14:26,917 --> 04:14:27,384
>> So we'll start with council

6777
04:14:27,384 --> 04:14:27,884
member Campbell.

6778
04:14:27,884 --> 04:14:30,284
Thank you so much.

6779
04:14:30,787 --> 04:14:31,488
Council PRESIDENT And thank you

6780
04:14:31,488 --> 04:14:32,356
for the presentation and thank

6781
04:14:32,356 --> 04:14:35,859
you for everyone who came in to

6782
04:14:35,859 --> 04:14:36,727
speak.

6783
04:14:36,727 --> 04:14:40,327
This is citywide not just be

6784
04:14:40,898 --> 04:14:41,598
but I love my observations and

6785
04:14:41,598 --> 04:14:45,198
that's with my district So I'm

6786
04:14:45,402 --> 04:14:46,270
I'm so happy to see you all.

6787
04:14:46,270 --> 04:14:46,871
I want you to remember that I

6788
04:14:46,871 --> 04:14:48,871
vote against complete

6789
04:14:50,173 --> 04:14:51,410
communities.

6790
04:14:51,410 --> 04:14:51,708
I was the only one who voted

6791
04:14:51,708 --> 04:14:54,108
against taking away parking

6792
04:14:55,212 --> 04:14:56,180
from multifamily structures

6793
04:14:56,180 --> 04:14:59,683
etc. Etc. So I got to tell you

6794
04:14:59,683 --> 04:15:00,551
I'm your friend and I just I

6795
04:15:00,551 --> 04:15:01,252
just want to say that I'm going

6796
04:15:01,252 --> 04:15:04,655
to have a few questions here

6797
04:15:04,655 --> 04:15:08,855
that I think will help you to

6798
04:15:09,360 --> 04:15:10,161
understand what it is that is

6799
04:15:10,161 --> 04:15:10,460
the real meat of what this is

6800
04:15:10,460 --> 04:15:11,195
today.

6801
04:15:11,195 --> 04:15:14,632
And so the first thing I'd like

6802
04:15:14,632 --> 04:15:15,266
to ask staff could you please

6803
04:15:15,266 --> 04:15:18,266
explain the three types of

6804
04:15:20,337 --> 04:15:21,380
historic designation liens And

6805
04:15:21,380 --> 04:15:21,973
this has to do with houses.

6806
04:15:21,973 --> 04:15:24,808
This doesn't have to do with

6807
04:15:24,808 --> 04:15:25,275
the wonderful fact that Obx is

6808
04:15:25,275 --> 04:15:25,909
a historic area.

6809
04:15:25,909 --> 04:15:28,909
It has a great history.

6810
04:15:29,130 --> 04:15:29,780
It's a fun place.

6811
04:15:29,780 --> 04:15:33,184
I think everyone in San Diego

6812
04:15:33,184 --> 04:15:33,951
loves it who's ever visited it

6813
04:15:33,951 --> 04:15:35,190
and I know all our tourists

6814
04:15:35,190 --> 04:15:38,623
love it as well but that is not

6815
04:15:38,623 --> 04:15:39,256
the same thing as a historic

6816
04:15:39,256 --> 04:15:41,656
designation of a property.

6817
04:15:42,960 --> 04:15:44,270
So if you could please explain

6818
04:15:44,270 --> 04:15:48,565
I'm happy to And I think in in

6819
04:15:48,565 --> 04:15:49,267
providing the information it

6820
04:15:49,267 --> 04:15:49,934
might be helpful to just to

6821
04:15:49,934 --> 04:15:53,437
share a little bit about my

6822
04:15:53,437 --> 04:15:54,238
history with the program.

6823
04:15:54,238 --> 04:15:54,906
I've been working with the city

6824
04:15:54,906 --> 04:15:57,906
for 24 years, almost all of

6825
04:15:58,476 --> 04:15:59,210
that in historic preservation.

6826
04:15:59,210 --> 04:15:59,844
I worked on bringing forward

6827
04:15:59,844 --> 04:16:00,411
additional properties for

6828
04:16:00,411 --> 04:16:02,811
designation as part of

6829
04:16:03,481 --> 04:16:03,981
the Ocean Beach Cottage

6830
04:16:03,981 --> 04:16:04,648
Emerging District.

6831
04:16:04,648 --> 04:16:05,116
I wrote our current historic

6832
04:16:05,116 --> 04:16:07,116
district policy.

6833
04:16:08,519 --> 04:16:09,120
I wrote the historic

6834
04:16:09,120 --> 04:16:09,820
preservation element of

6835
04:16:09,820 --> 04:16:12,820
the Ocean Beach Community Plan

6836
04:16:13,257 --> 04:16:13,924
which calls for intensively

6837
04:16:13,924 --> 04:16:16,324
surveying the community and

6838
04:16:17,795 --> 04:16:18,529
bringing and converting

6839
04:16:18,529 --> 04:16:22,129
the district from a district to

6840
04:16:22,333 --> 04:16:23,330
a multiple property listing

6841
04:16:23,330 --> 04:16:23,634
which just like a emerging

6842
04:16:23,634 --> 04:16:25,634
district only regulates

6843
04:16:27,905 --> 04:16:28,573
the contributing resource is

6844
04:16:28,573 --> 04:16:29,140
And I also wrote the current

6845
04:16:29,140 --> 04:16:29,741
language is incomplete

6846
04:16:29,741 --> 04:16:32,141
communities that we are

6847
04:16:32,710 --> 04:16:33,411
clarifying today so I'm I'm

6848
04:16:33,411 --> 04:16:33,945
very familiar with the program

6849
04:16:33,945 --> 04:16:36,345
with the history of

6850
04:16:37,115 --> 04:16:39,115
the district.

6851
04:16:41,819 --> 04:16:42,587
That being said, the ocean

6852
04:16:42,587 --> 04:16:44,987
Beach Cottage Emerging District

6853
04:16:46,257 --> 04:16:46,891
was designated in 2000 after

6854
04:16:46,891 --> 04:16:47,592
the Ocean Beach Historical

6855
04:16:47,592 --> 04:16:50,592
Society approached the city in

6856
04:16:51,629 --> 04:16:52,297
around 1998 with a desire to

6857
04:16:52,297 --> 04:16:54,697
designate beach cottages in

6858
04:16:56,670 --> 04:16:56,835
their community.

6859
04:16:56,835 --> 04:16:59,835
However they wanted that any

6860
04:17:00,805 --> 04:17:01,506
potential designation to be

6861
04:17:01,506 --> 04:17:02,106
voluntary They did not want to

6862
04:17:02,106 --> 04:17:04,506
force property owners to

6863
04:17:05,209 --> 04:17:05,877
designate as part of

6864
04:17:05,877 --> 04:17:08,277
designation of the district

6865
04:17:09,981 --> 04:17:10,615
staff in the historical

6866
04:17:10,615 --> 04:17:11,316
Resources Board looked at

6867
04:17:11,316 --> 04:17:12,500
the information that the Ocean

6868
04:17:12,500 --> 04:17:14,450
Beach Historical Society pulled

6869
04:17:15,387 --> 04:17:16,860
together and found that

6870
04:17:16,860 --> 04:17:16,621
the properties did not qualify

6871
04:17:16,621 --> 04:17:19,210
for designation as a

6872
04:17:20,250 --> 04:17:20,859
traditional historic district.

6873
04:17:20,859 --> 04:17:24,459
>> And I'll pull back up on

6874
04:17:24,829 --> 04:17:25,531
the slot on the screen here.

6875
04:17:25,531 --> 04:17:26,231
The comparison on Slide 15

6876
04:17:26,231 --> 04:17:28,631
between a traditional historic

6877
04:17:29,340 --> 04:17:29,734
district and the Ocean Beach

6878
04:17:29,734 --> 04:17:31,734
Cottage emerging historic

6879
04:17:33,905 --> 04:17:34,439
district The Ocean Beach

6880
04:17:34,439 --> 04:17:36,439
Cottage District is

6881
04:17:38,910 --> 04:17:41,310
thematically based meaning it

6882
04:17:42,614 --> 04:17:45,614
applies only to beach cottages

6883
04:17:48,861 --> 04:17:49,430
constructed between 1887 and

6884
04:17:49,430 --> 04:17:49,230
1931 that have been volunteered

6885
04:17:49,230 --> 04:17:49,423
by the property owner for

6886
04:17:49,423 --> 04:17:49,603
designation of the boundary

6887
04:17:49,603 --> 04:17:52,758
that is drawn on the map simply

6888
04:17:52,758 --> 04:17:53,458
shows where those resources can

6889
04:17:53,458 --> 04:17:54,125
be located because you're not

6890
04:17:54,125 --> 04:17:57,725
going to find, you know, an

6891
04:17:58,230 --> 04:17:58,934
ocean beach cottage in, you

6892
04:17:58,934 --> 04:17:59,665
know, North Park or La Hoya.

6893
04:17:59,665 --> 04:18:00,632
However, we have to draw a

6894
04:18:00,632 --> 04:18:03,568
boundary on a map to show you

6895
04:18:03,568 --> 04:18:04,336
where they are.

6896
04:18:04,336 --> 04:18:05,370
But within that if we can

6897
04:18:05,370 --> 04:18:05,411
advance one more slide please.

6898
04:18:05,411 --> 04:18:07,411
Thank you.

6899
04:18:08,607 --> 04:18:09,341
Within that only the designated

6900
04:18:09,341 --> 04:18:11,741
pink contributing resources are

6901
04:18:12,878 --> 04:18:13,579
regulated and that's because

6902
04:18:13,579 --> 04:18:15,979
those resources are scattered

6903
04:18:17,983 --> 04:18:18,717
So far throughout the district

6904
04:18:18,717 --> 04:18:21,717
and lack a concentration that

6905
04:18:22,587 --> 04:18:23,188
creates a sense of place

6906
04:18:23,188 --> 04:18:25,588
Contrasting that with a

6907
04:18:27,159 --> 04:18:27,926
traditional historic district

6908
04:18:27,926 --> 04:18:28,526
on the left such as South Park

6909
04:18:28,526 --> 04:18:31,526
and most of our historic

6910
04:18:32,397 --> 04:18:33,310
districts in the city And those

6911
04:18:33,310 --> 04:18:33,699
cases the vast majority of

6912
04:18:33,699 --> 04:18:34,233
properties contribute to why

6913
04:18:34,233 --> 04:18:36,633
this the district is

6914
04:18:37,403 --> 04:18:38,237
significant.

6915
04:18:38,237 --> 04:18:38,937
It creates a sense of place

6916
04:18:38,937 --> 04:18:42,441
that you are trying to protect

6917
04:18:42,441 --> 04:18:43,141
a collective significance that

6918
04:18:43,141 --> 04:18:43,909
you are trying to protect and

6919
04:18:43,909 --> 04:18:46,845
that is why we regulate all

6920
04:18:46,845 --> 04:18:47,579
properties within those

6921
04:18:47,579 --> 04:18:48,180
traditional historic districts.

6922
04:18:48,180 --> 04:18:51,180
Ocean Beach is our only

6923
04:18:51,984 --> 04:18:52,751
emerging historic district.

6924
04:18:52,751 --> 04:18:55,751
That district type was created

6925
04:18:56,355 --> 04:18:57,890
for Ocean Beach in response to

6926
04:18:57,890 --> 04:18:57,823
what the Ocean Beach Historical

6927
04:18:57,823 --> 04:19:00,823
Society was bringing forward at

6928
04:19:01,326 --> 04:19:02,600
that time We no longer have an

6929
04:19:02,600 --> 04:19:02,795
emerging historic district type

6930
04:19:02,795 --> 04:19:05,795
in our historic district policy

6931
04:19:06,265 --> 04:19:06,899
because it's not consistent

6932
04:19:06,899 --> 04:19:07,266
with historic preservation

6933
04:19:07,266 --> 04:19:09,266
practices.

6934
04:19:10,102 --> 04:19:10,803
So it is the one and only

6935
04:19:10,803 --> 04:19:11,369
district and it's why we have

6936
04:19:11,369 --> 04:19:13,769
recommended that it be

6937
04:19:14,774 --> 04:19:17,174
converted to a multiple

6938
04:19:19,210 --> 04:19:19,545
property listing in the future

6939
04:19:19,545 --> 04:19:19,912
.

6940
04:19:19,912 --> 04:19:21,912
Thank you.

6941
04:19:24,517 --> 04:19:25,518
So in other words there are

6942
04:19:25,518 --> 04:19:28,988
three designations o b is not a

6943
04:19:28,988 --> 04:19:30,988
historic district.

6944
04:19:33,325 --> 04:19:36,325
It has an emerging district

6945
04:19:36,662 --> 04:19:37,596
quality about it from the year

6946
04:19:37,596 --> 04:19:41,196
2000 there was a time limit on

6947
04:19:41,966 --> 04:19:42,835
the number on the number of

6948
04:19:42,835 --> 04:19:46,435
years that it could take to

6949
04:19:47,500 --> 04:19:50,500
become a historic district and

6950
04:19:51,409 --> 04:19:55,900
that was 27 years ago And that

6951
04:19:56,348 --> 04:19:57,480
the consideration of which

6952
04:19:57,480 --> 04:19:57,516
properties bought that is not

6953
04:19:57,516 --> 04:19:59,516
the city's job.

6954
04:20:01,486 --> 04:20:02,221
Can you please explain how is

6955
04:20:02,221 --> 04:20:05,758
it that a household that wishes

6956
04:20:05,758 --> 04:20:06,359
to be a historic designation

6957
04:20:06,359 --> 04:20:06,659
gets to be that way?

6958
04:20:06,659 --> 04:20:08,659
Sure.

6959
04:20:10,696 --> 04:20:11,497
So the Ocean Beach Cottage

6960
04:20:11,497 --> 04:20:14,497
Emerging Historic District is a

6961
04:20:15,735 --> 04:20:16,502
designated historic district.

6962
04:20:16,502 --> 04:20:16,968
It's just a different type of

6963
04:20:16,968 --> 04:20:17,569
district.

6964
04:20:17,569 --> 04:20:20,706
It is an emerging district and

6965
04:20:20,706 --> 04:20:21,674
it is voluntary in nature.

6966
04:20:21,674 --> 04:20:22,542
So in order for a property to

6967
04:20:22,542 --> 04:20:25,745
be designated as part of that

6968
04:20:25,745 --> 04:20:26,479
district, the property owner

6969
04:20:26,479 --> 04:20:29,382
would need to approach heritage

6970
04:20:29,382 --> 04:20:29,882
preservation staff and request

6971
04:20:29,882 --> 04:20:30,583
that designation.

6972
04:20:30,583 --> 04:20:33,583
We would require some minimal

6973
04:20:34,354 --> 04:20:35,880
documentation from them about

6974
04:20:35,880 --> 04:20:38,688
their building and how it meets

6975
04:20:39,859 --> 04:20:40,393
the theme and and

6976
04:20:40,393 --> 04:20:40,827
the significance of

6977
04:20:40,827 --> 04:20:41,494
the district.

6978
04:20:41,494 --> 04:20:42,128
And then we would take that

6979
04:20:42,128 --> 04:20:44,528
forward to the Historical

6980
04:20:44,630 --> 04:20:45,310
Resources Board for for

6981
04:20:45,310 --> 04:20:47,310
designation.

6982
04:20:48,134 --> 04:20:48,568
We have not had any requests

6983
04:20:48,568 --> 04:20:49,302
since 2008.

6984
04:20:49,302 --> 04:20:49,936
There were seven updates to

6985
04:20:49,936 --> 04:20:52,839
the district after it was

6986
04:20:52,839 --> 04:20:53,473
originally designated that

6987
04:20:53,473 --> 04:20:54,306
resulted in the current 72

6988
04:20:54,306 --> 04:20:56,809
properties but we have not had

6989
04:20:56,809 --> 04:20:57,643
any new requests since 2008.

6990
04:20:57,643 --> 04:21:01,714
If we did receive one we would

6991
04:21:01,714 --> 04:21:02,549
bring it forward.

6992
04:21:02,549 --> 04:21:06,149
I'll also just add briefly that

6993
04:21:07,253 --> 04:21:07,921
within the district since only

6994
04:21:07,921 --> 04:21:08,455
the contributing parcels are

6995
04:21:08,455 --> 04:21:10,855
regulated as part of

6996
04:21:11,791 --> 04:21:12,392
the district, everything else

6997
04:21:12,392 --> 04:21:13,920
within the community is

6998
04:21:13,920 --> 04:21:16,920
reviewed as an over 45 review

6999
04:21:16,362 --> 04:21:17,300
meaning the city's requirement

7000
04:21:17,300 --> 04:21:17,864
that any property that's 45

7001
04:21:17,864 --> 04:21:20,900
years old or older has to be

7002
04:21:20,900 --> 04:21:21,568
reviewed for potential

7003
04:21:21,568 --> 04:21:22,235
significance when there's a

7004
04:21:22,235 --> 04:21:24,235
building permit application.

7005
04:21:26,720 --> 04:21:26,740
If we see a cottage come across

7006
04:21:26,740 --> 04:21:27,406
our desk during that review

7007
04:21:27,406 --> 04:21:29,806
process which doesn't happen

7008
04:21:31,210 --> 04:21:31,845
very often but if it does we

7009
04:21:31,845 --> 04:21:32,512
will flag for the property

7010
04:21:32,512 --> 04:21:33,179
owner that hey you could be

7011
04:21:33,179 --> 04:21:36,179
eligible as part of this

7012
04:21:36,616 --> 04:21:37,317
district if you were interested

7013
04:21:37,317 --> 04:21:38,500
and we provide the information

7014
04:21:38,500 --> 04:21:41,200
but we ultimately cannot compel

7015
04:21:41,200 --> 04:21:41,454
them to participate in

7016
04:21:41,454 --> 04:21:43,454
the district.

7017
04:21:45,491 --> 04:21:46,292
Thank you.

7018
04:21:46,292 --> 04:21:46,593
So you have to ask for it.

7019
04:21:46,593 --> 04:21:48,593
Okay.

7020
04:21:50,163 --> 04:21:53,163
And you have to fit

7021
04:21:53,967 --> 04:21:54,601
the requirements of being built

7022
04:21:54,601 --> 04:21:55,235
between 1887 and 1931 and

7023
04:21:55,235 --> 04:21:57,635
the Ocean Beach Historical

7024
04:21:58,839 --> 04:21:59,539
Society which asked for

7025
04:21:59,539 --> 04:22:02,539
the emerging idea was to

7026
04:22:03,877 --> 04:22:04,578
complete a comprehensive survey

7027
04:22:04,578 --> 04:22:08,178
of the community over the past

7028
04:22:09,150 --> 04:22:09,448
27 years and evidently that has

7029
04:22:09,448 --> 04:22:10,150
not been done.

7030
04:22:10,150 --> 04:22:13,150
But it doesn't matter because

7031
04:22:13,387 --> 04:22:14,187
still when a property comes up

7032
04:22:14,187 --> 04:22:14,854
to the city like that we still

7033
04:22:14,854 --> 04:22:17,854
ask the historic board to

7034
04:22:17,991 --> 04:22:19,991
review it.

7035
04:22:22,596 --> 04:22:23,463
Does this change?

7036
04:22:23,463 --> 04:22:26,666
Well, let me just say why we're

7037
04:22:26,666 --> 04:22:27,367
having this change over my

7038
04:22:27,367 --> 04:22:28,101
seven years on this council I

7039
04:22:28,101 --> 04:22:31,101
have seen the historic Resource

7040
04:22:31,805 --> 04:22:32,439
Board decisions that come to

7041
04:22:32,439 --> 04:22:34,839
the Council are sometimes

7042
04:22:36,676 --> 04:22:37,377
confusing sounding,

7043
04:22:37,377 --> 04:22:39,777
particularly given the strict

7044
04:22:41,114 --> 04:22:41,915
limitations on what the Council

7045
04:22:41,915 --> 04:22:45,515
is allowed to discuss by law

7046
04:22:46,553 --> 04:22:47,321
about these things.

7047
04:22:47,321 --> 04:22:50,921
And so this fourth option will

7048
04:22:51,258 --> 04:22:52,590
give the Council more ability

7049
04:22:52,590 --> 04:22:55,590
to articulate the points that

7050
04:22:56,296 --> 04:22:56,897
we find pertinent and provide

7051
04:22:56,897 --> 04:22:57,664
guidance moving forward.

7052
04:22:57,664 --> 04:23:01,264
We certainly do not want to

7053
04:23:01,635 --> 04:23:01,935
lose our historic ness in San

7054
04:23:01,935 --> 04:23:03,935
Diego.

7055
04:23:06,372 --> 04:23:06,974
Now importantly, this policy

7056
04:23:06,974 --> 04:23:08,974
clarifies that complete

7057
04:23:11,478 --> 04:23:12,112
communities is still allowed

7058
04:23:12,112 --> 04:23:12,846
and thematic and emerging

7059
04:23:12,846 --> 04:23:15,816
districts so there's no change

7060
04:23:15,816 --> 04:23:16,650
there.

7061
04:23:16,650 --> 04:23:20,250
Does this have anything to do

7062
04:23:20,554 --> 04:23:21,388
with sequence or ada use?

7063
04:23:21,388 --> 04:23:24,388
>> No, it doesn't have anything

7064
04:23:25,826 --> 04:23:28,226
to do with 80 use.

7065
04:23:29,597 --> 04:23:30,297
We do review and approve 80

7066
04:23:30,297 --> 04:23:30,898
used on designated parcels and

7067
04:23:30,898 --> 04:23:31,599
in designated historical

7068
04:23:31,599 --> 04:23:34,702
districts all the time So it's

7069
04:23:34,702 --> 04:23:35,469
not related to accessory

7070
04:23:35,469 --> 04:23:38,469
dwelling units in terms of

7071
04:23:39,173 --> 04:23:39,807
square.

7072
04:23:39,807 --> 04:23:40,474
Our environmental analysis

7073
04:23:40,474 --> 04:23:43,474
staff and the City Planning

7074
04:23:43,744 --> 04:23:44,445
Department has reviewed package

7075
04:23:44,445 --> 04:23:47,445
a and has prepared a

7076
04:23:48,416 --> 04:23:49,116
consistency memo finding that

7077
04:23:49,116 --> 04:23:49,684
the package is consistent with

7078
04:23:49,684 --> 04:23:52,840
the analysis and other

7079
04:23:53,854 --> 04:23:54,555
environmental impact reports

7080
04:23:54,555 --> 04:23:55,189
prepared for other initiatives

7081
04:23:55,189 --> 04:23:55,856
and that there are no new

7082
04:23:55,856 --> 04:23:58,856
impacts and if there's any

7083
04:23:59,600 --> 04:23:59,860
additional detail that's needed

7084
04:23:59,860 --> 04:24:04,310
on that I'm happy to invite our

7085
04:24:04,310 --> 04:24:04,365
environmental staff up to

7086
04:24:04,365 --> 04:24:05,990
clarify.

7087
04:24:05,990 --> 04:24:05,466
>> Well, I don't think that's

7088
04:24:05,466 --> 04:24:07,466
necessary.

7089
04:24:09,103 --> 04:24:09,837
You don't have to worry.

7090
04:24:09,837 --> 04:24:13,437
It doesn't involve that and it

7091
04:24:13,441 --> 04:24:14,175
doesn't involve ada use And I'm

7092
04:24:14,175 --> 04:24:14,642
afraid you've been misled as to

7093
04:24:14,642 --> 04:24:17,420
how huge it is.

7094
04:24:18,946 --> 04:24:19,547
It's not huge is just to help

7095
04:24:19,547 --> 04:24:22,547
the council so that when

7096
04:24:23,490 --> 04:24:23,851
there's a strange request that

7097
04:24:23,851 --> 04:24:27,451
we don't quite agree with we

7098
04:24:27,622 --> 04:24:28,322
can ask other questions and

7099
04:24:28,322 --> 04:24:31,322
make decisions based on other

7100
04:24:31,893 --> 04:24:32,693
things besides the limited

7101
04:24:32,693 --> 04:24:33,127
amount that the law says we can

7102
04:24:33,127 --> 04:24:35,127
at this point.

7103
04:24:37,598 --> 04:24:41,669
So that's what I'd like to say

7104
04:24:41,669 --> 04:24:42,369
is that this is for the whole

7105
04:24:42,369 --> 04:24:45,969
city that we're on your side

7106
04:24:46,508 --> 04:24:47,750
and that this will help us to

7107
04:24:47,750 --> 04:24:49,750
make better decisions.

7108
04:24:50,110 --> 04:24:50,745
So for that reason I would like

7109
04:24:50,745 --> 04:24:53,145
to move staff's recommendation.

7110
04:24:55,349 --> 04:24:55,849
>> Thank you.

7111
04:24:55,849 --> 04:24:56,583
All right.

7112
04:24:56,583 --> 04:24:57,185
We have a motion by Council

7113
04:24:57,185 --> 04:24:59,585
member Campbell to move

7114
04:25:00,121 --> 04:25:00,922
the staff recommendation and

7115
04:25:00,922 --> 04:25:01,289
we'll go next to Council member

7116
04:25:01,289 --> 04:25:01,956
Whitburn.

7117
04:25:01,956 --> 04:25:04,356
Thank you Council PRESIDENT

7118
04:25:05,760 --> 04:25:06,427
Thank you both Stanko and to

7119
04:25:06,427 --> 04:25:07,128
the Planning Department for

7120
04:25:07,128 --> 04:25:09,797
the presentation and your work

7121
04:25:09,797 --> 04:25:10,565
on this package.

7122
04:25:10,565 --> 04:25:11,199
I also want to thank

7123
04:25:11,199 --> 04:25:13,199
the historic preservation

7124
04:25:14,803 --> 04:25:15,470
groups and all the community

7125
04:25:15,470 --> 04:25:15,970
members who turned out this

7126
04:25:15,970 --> 04:25:16,404
afternoon for this

7127
04:25:16,404 --> 04:25:18,404
conversation.

7128
04:25:19,707 --> 04:25:20,675
I appreciate the time that many

7129
04:25:20,675 --> 04:25:24,780
of you have taken to be with me

7130
04:25:24,780 --> 04:25:24,779
and my staff and your passion

7131
04:25:24,779 --> 04:25:27,179
for protecting San Diego's

7132
04:25:28,849 --> 04:25:29,617
history.

7133
04:25:29,617 --> 04:25:30,285
It's good to see longtime

7134
04:25:30,285 --> 04:25:30,985
friends in this chamber who

7135
04:25:30,985 --> 04:25:32,987
have different perspectives on

7136
04:25:32,987 --> 04:25:33,855
this issue.

7137
04:25:33,855 --> 04:25:34,556
I share the goal of having a

7138
04:25:34,556 --> 04:25:36,556
historic preservation program

7139
04:25:38,326 --> 04:25:39,126
that is credible, that is

7140
04:25:39,126 --> 04:25:42,726
accurate and that is worthy of

7141
04:25:43,164 --> 04:25:43,932
public trust.

7142
04:25:43,932 --> 04:25:44,566
I also appreciate that many of

7143
04:25:44,566 --> 04:25:46,966
the advocates for historic

7144
04:25:48,690 --> 04:25:48,637
preservation here today

7145
04:25:48,637 --> 04:25:50,637
recognize the housing

7146
04:25:52,707 --> 04:25:53,241
affordability challenges that

7147
04:25:53,241 --> 04:25:54,750
our city faces.

7148
04:25:54,750 --> 04:25:57,750
Every San Diego who supports

7149
04:25:57,612 --> 04:25:58,280
both historic preservation and

7150
04:25:58,280 --> 04:26:00,280
housing affordability knows

7151
04:26:02,784 --> 04:26:05,784
that we can achieve both.

7152
04:26:07,220 --> 04:26:07,723
That's why I believe that

7153
04:26:07,723 --> 04:26:10,723
updates like those proposed in

7154
04:26:11,493 --> 04:26:12,160
Package a are important These

7155
04:26:12,160 --> 04:26:12,594
reforms strengthen noticing

7156
04:26:12,594 --> 04:26:14,594
requirements.

7157
04:26:16,298 --> 04:26:16,932
They clarify appeal processes

7158
04:26:16,932 --> 04:26:19,332
and they improve alignment

7159
04:26:21,403 --> 04:26:22,700
between state and local review

7160
04:26:22,700 --> 04:26:24,470
all while maintaining strong

7161
04:26:26,140 --> 04:26:26,508
protections for truly historic

7162
04:26:26,508 --> 04:26:27,109
resources.

7163
04:26:27,109 --> 04:26:27,743
They help to ensure that

7164
04:26:27,743 --> 04:26:29,743
preservation decisions are

7165
04:26:31,880 --> 04:26:34,880
transparent and are fair and

7166
04:26:36,685 --> 04:26:37,386
are defensible Districts three

7167
04:26:37,386 --> 04:26:38,200
The district that I represent

7168
04:26:38,200 --> 04:26:40,989
the urban core of the city

7169
04:26:40,989 --> 04:26:41,656
downtown all the historic

7170
04:26:41,656 --> 04:26:43,656
neighborhoods around Balboa

7171
04:26:46,161 --> 04:26:46,795
Park offers many examples of

7172
04:26:46,795 --> 04:26:48,795
historic preservation done

7173
04:26:50,899 --> 04:26:51,600
right The Western Metal Supply

7174
04:26:51,600 --> 04:26:52,467
Company building at Petco Park

7175
04:26:52,467 --> 04:26:56,670
That is a great classic example

7176
04:26:56,700 --> 04:26:56,939
of adaptive reuse.

7177
04:26:56,939 --> 04:27:00,539
The chicken Pie shop in North

7178
04:27:01,760 --> 04:27:01,743
Park shows how historic

7179
04:27:01,743 --> 04:27:04,143
preservation and new housing

7180
04:27:06,480 --> 04:27:06,782
can coexist successfully and

7181
04:27:06,782 --> 04:27:07,416
more recently the establishment

7182
04:27:07,416 --> 04:27:10,416
of the city's first lgbtq

7183
04:27:11,219 --> 04:27:11,853
cultural historic district in

7184
04:27:11,853 --> 04:27:12,487
Hillcrest demonstrates how

7185
04:27:12,487 --> 04:27:14,887
preservation can evolve to

7186
04:27:15,357 --> 04:27:18,357
better reflect our full and

7187
04:27:20,162 --> 04:27:20,829
diverse history.

7188
04:27:20,829 --> 04:27:21,430
Within my district I've seen

7189
04:27:21,430 --> 04:27:22,310
historic appeals almost

7190
04:27:22,310 --> 04:27:24,400
entirely in our business

7191
04:27:24,400 --> 04:27:25,330
corridors where buildings have

7192
04:27:25,330 --> 04:27:28,330
often sat vacant for long

7193
04:27:29,710 --> 04:27:29,672
periods or experienced

7194
04:27:29,672 --> 04:27:30,439
substantial alterations.

7195
04:27:30,439 --> 04:27:33,439
The designation of the old

7196
04:27:34,609 --> 04:27:35,277
mission Hills Library was

7197
04:27:35,277 --> 04:27:38,277
appealed to the City council

7198
04:27:39,114 --> 04:27:39,848
and we upheld that designation

7199
04:27:39,848 --> 04:27:43,448
as historic And the outcome has

7200
04:27:43,819 --> 04:27:44,787
been terrific.

7201
04:27:44,787 --> 04:27:45,287
You could not ask for a better

7202
04:27:45,287 --> 04:27:47,287
contribution to

7203
04:27:48,691 --> 04:27:49,291
the neighborhood than the old

7204
04:27:49,291 --> 04:27:49,959
Mission Hills Library at

7205
04:27:49,959 --> 04:27:52,959
the bookstore that is there

7206
04:27:54,163 --> 04:27:55,129
today I want to address a

7207
04:27:55,129 --> 04:27:58,801
concern that I know a number of

7208
04:27:58,801 --> 04:27:59,502
you have Several people who

7209
04:27:59,502 --> 04:28:01,902
spoke today expressed concern

7210
04:28:03,839 --> 04:28:04,440
about the proposed change to

7211
04:28:04,440 --> 04:28:05,740
the historic designation

7212
04:28:05,740 --> 04:28:07,474
appeals process that gives

7213
04:28:08,444 --> 04:28:09,178
the city council the ability to

7214
04:28:09,178 --> 04:28:12,178
determine that the findings are

7215
04:28:12,914 --> 04:28:13,616
not supported.

7216
04:28:13,616 --> 04:28:16,616
The argument against that is

7217
04:28:17,586 --> 04:28:18,287
that the hrp is made up of

7218
04:28:18,287 --> 04:28:21,757
experts in the field and that

7219
04:28:21,757 --> 04:28:22,391
we should respect their

7220
04:28:22,391 --> 04:28:22,758
expertise and accept their

7221
04:28:22,758 --> 04:28:24,758
decision.

7222
04:28:27,196 --> 04:28:27,930
I respect the members of

7223
04:28:27,930 --> 04:28:30,330
the Historical Resources Board.

7224
04:28:32,212 --> 04:28:32,969
I respect their expertise.

7225
04:28:32,969 --> 04:28:33,269
I respect their service to our

7226
04:28:33,269 --> 04:28:35,269
city.

7227
04:28:36,572 --> 04:28:37,139
I care what the h r b has to

7228
04:28:37,139 --> 04:28:37,807
say and I understand

7229
04:28:37,807 --> 04:28:40,807
the argument that we should

7230
04:28:41,377 --> 04:28:44,377
defer to their expertise but

7231
04:28:46,382 --> 04:28:47,350
that cuts both ways.

7232
04:28:47,350 --> 04:28:47,717
You know who else has a lot of

7233
04:28:47,717 --> 04:28:49,717
expertise?

7234
04:28:51,587 --> 04:28:52,388
Our city's planning director

7235
04:28:52,388 --> 04:28:53,156
Heidi Van Block who is sitting

7236
04:28:53,156 --> 04:28:56,756
right over here she got her

7237
04:28:56,759 --> 04:28:57,492
degree in city and regional

7238
04:28:57,492 --> 04:28:57,993
planning and on top of that she

7239
04:28:57,993 --> 04:29:00,393
has a law degree.

7240
04:29:01,597 --> 04:29:02,200
She has years of professional

7241
04:29:02,200 --> 04:29:02,899
experience in the field.

7242
04:29:02,899 --> 04:29:05,899
Urban planning is an academic

7243
04:29:07,690 --> 04:29:07,737
field and this city's planning

7244
04:29:07,737 --> 04:29:10,737
department is chock full of

7245
04:29:11,574 --> 04:29:12,410
people with advanced degrees in

7246
04:29:12,410 --> 04:29:12,774
urban planning.

7247
04:29:12,774 --> 04:29:15,774
They are subject matter experts

7248
04:29:15,878 --> 04:29:16,546
Given all that expertise,

7249
04:29:16,546 --> 04:29:19,546
should the City Council just

7250
04:29:20,517 --> 04:29:21,184
approve everything that

7251
04:29:21,184 --> 04:29:21,584
the City Planning Department

7252
04:29:21,584 --> 04:29:22,318
determines?

7253
04:29:22,318 --> 04:29:25,318
Is urban planning best practice

7254
04:29:25,421 --> 04:29:28,421
after all, they're the subject

7255
04:29:30,590 --> 04:29:31,127
matter experts.

7256
04:29:31,127 --> 04:29:32,940
A lot of what we do up here is

7257
04:29:32,940 --> 04:29:35,310
we try to figure out what to do

7258
04:29:35,310 --> 04:29:35,798
when really smart people

7259
04:29:35,798 --> 04:29:38,798
disagree when experts in their

7260
04:29:39,869 --> 04:29:40,570
fields disagree.

7261
04:29:40,570 --> 04:29:43,570
Experts disagree all the time.

7262
04:29:44,973 --> 04:29:45,642
The experts on the h r b

7263
04:29:45,642 --> 04:29:45,975
frequently disagree with one

7264
04:29:45,975 --> 04:29:46,676
another.

7265
04:29:46,676 --> 04:29:50,246
If you look at the most recent

7266
04:29:50,246 --> 04:29:53,717
minutes posted online, the h r

7267
04:29:53,717 --> 04:29:54,500
b had split votes of 723822426

7268
04:29:54,500 --> 04:29:54,984
and 524.

7269
04:29:54,984 --> 04:29:58,584
So which of those experts were

7270
04:30:01,124 --> 04:30:01,891
right and which were wrong?

7271
04:30:01,891 --> 04:30:05,491
You know who is ultimately held

7272
04:30:05,962 --> 04:30:06,596
accountable for the decisions

7273
04:30:06,596 --> 04:30:09,596
The city council this city

7274
04:30:11,670 --> 04:30:11,734
council is held accountable for

7275
04:30:11,734 --> 04:30:12,435
the decisions that it makes.

7276
04:30:12,435 --> 04:30:15,672
So I think that it is

7277
04:30:15,672 --> 04:30:16,273
reasonable for the city council

7278
04:30:16,273 --> 04:30:16,940
to be able to make

7279
04:30:16,940 --> 04:30:19,940
the decisions that it thinks

7280
04:30:20,176 --> 04:30:21,144
are proper.

7281
04:30:21,144 --> 04:30:24,144
>> I understand the fear about

7282
04:30:25,482 --> 04:30:26,215
adding findings that supported

7283
04:30:26,215 --> 04:30:30,220
the fear is that it will result

7284
04:30:30,220 --> 04:30:30,853
in a flood of appeals of

7285
04:30:30,853 --> 04:30:33,253
designations and that this

7286
04:30:35,900 --> 04:30:35,659
Council will overturn many more

7287
04:30:35,659 --> 04:30:37,659
historic designations.

7288
04:30:39,362 --> 04:30:39,863
At this point we don't know but

7289
04:30:39,863 --> 04:30:40,697
I hear the fear.

7290
04:30:40,697 --> 04:30:43,697
I personally think it is

7291
04:30:44,768 --> 04:30:45,468
unlikely to result in many more

7292
04:30:45,468 --> 04:30:48,468
appeals and I personally think

7293
04:30:49,606 --> 04:30:53,206
it is unlikely to result in

7294
04:30:53,677 --> 04:30:54,177
more appeals or designations

7295
04:30:54,177 --> 04:30:54,978
being overturned.

7296
04:30:54,978 --> 04:30:55,812
But I think we should monitor

7297
04:30:55,812 --> 04:30:59,412
that because we don't know at

7298
04:30:59,516 --> 04:31:00,183
last month's land Use and

7299
04:31:00,183 --> 04:31:00,751
Housing Committee meeting I

7300
04:31:00,751 --> 04:31:03,151
asked staff to monitor

7301
04:31:03,754 --> 04:31:04,388
the implementation of

7302
04:31:04,388 --> 04:31:05,880
the findings not supported

7303
04:31:05,880 --> 04:31:08,880
appeal standard and include an

7304
04:31:08,825 --> 04:31:09,526
update on its usage in

7305
04:31:09,526 --> 04:31:11,926
the annual Historic Resources

7306
04:31:13,196 --> 04:31:14,131
Board report to the Council.

7307
04:31:14,131 --> 04:31:18,331
We will see what if any impact

7308
04:31:18,569 --> 04:31:19,269
this change actually has And I

7309
04:31:19,269 --> 04:31:19,903
appreciate the planning staff

7310
04:31:19,903 --> 04:31:22,903
agreeing to this that will

7311
04:31:23,573 --> 04:31:24,174
allow us to track the true

7312
04:31:24,174 --> 04:31:26,574
effects of the proposal.

7313
04:31:27,945 --> 04:31:28,612
If your worst fears come true

7314
04:31:28,612 --> 04:31:29,120
then we need to do something

7315
04:31:29,120 --> 04:31:29,679
about that.

7316
04:31:29,679 --> 04:31:32,679
If nothing happens then it's

7317
04:31:32,750 --> 04:31:33,617
probably okay.

7318
04:31:33,617 --> 04:31:37,588
At the end of the day I am

7319
04:31:37,588 --> 04:31:38,288
confident that preserving San

7320
04:31:38,288 --> 04:31:40,688
Diego's history and advancing

7321
04:31:42,426 --> 04:31:43,160
equitable inclusive growth are

7322
04:31:43,160 --> 04:31:46,160
not mutually exclusive goals In

7323
04:31:47,731 --> 04:31:48,432
my view in my view Package a

7324
04:31:48,432 --> 04:31:50,832
represents a careful measured

7325
04:31:52,770 --> 04:31:53,504
step toward a system that does

7326
04:31:53,504 --> 04:31:57,410
both of those things better And

7327
04:31:57,410 --> 04:31:57,641
I look forward to continuing

7328
04:31:57,641 --> 04:31:58,242
this conversation as we

7329
04:31:58,242 --> 04:32:00,642
continue to refine this

7330
04:32:02,279 --> 04:32:02,780
approach together.

7331
04:32:02,780 --> 04:32:03,514
So I will.

7332
04:32:03,514 --> 04:32:05,514
Second Councilmember Campbell's

7333
04:32:07,510 --> 04:32:07,852
motion Thank you again to all

7334
04:32:07,852 --> 04:32:08,519
of you for your advocacy on

7335
04:32:08,519 --> 04:32:11,519
these issues and thank you.

7336
04:32:11,789 --> 04:32:12,890
>> Council PRESIDENT All right

7337
04:32:12,890 --> 04:32:12,556
.

7338
04:32:12,556 --> 04:32:13,390
Thank you, sir.

7339
04:32:13,390 --> 04:32:14,125
So we have a motion by council

7340
04:32:14,125 --> 04:32:14,792
member Campbell and a second by

7341
04:32:14,792 --> 04:32:16,861
COUNCILMAN Whitburn to move

7342
04:32:16,861 --> 04:32:17,894
the staff recommendation.

7343
04:32:17,894 --> 04:32:21,494
I don't see anybody else on

7344
04:32:21,966 --> 04:32:22,933
the line.

7345
04:32:22,933 --> 04:32:25,669
I'm going to ask a few

7346
04:32:25,669 --> 04:32:26,370
questions And one one of

7347
04:32:26,370 --> 04:32:26,837
the public speakers talk about

7348
04:32:26,837 --> 04:32:28,837
grandfathering.

7349
04:32:30,641 --> 04:32:31,800
I assume there's some folks in

7350
04:32:31,800 --> 04:32:31,542
progress.

7351
04:32:31,542 --> 04:32:32,243
How does that affect

7352
04:32:32,243 --> 04:32:35,243
applications that might be in

7353
04:32:36,120 --> 04:32:38,412
progress in regard to

7354
04:32:41,180 --> 04:32:41,719
the appeal findings to

7355
04:32:41,719 --> 04:32:42,486
the whole package or that MAY

7356
04:32:42,486 --> 04:32:45,123
be the whole package but more

7357
04:32:45,123 --> 04:32:45,723
specifically to the appeal I'm

7358
04:32:45,723 --> 04:32:48,723
trying to think of where

7359
04:32:49,994 --> 04:32:50,361
grandfathering would be

7360
04:32:50,361 --> 04:32:50,962
relevant.

7361
04:32:50,962 --> 04:32:51,662
I mean in regards to

7362
04:32:51,662 --> 04:32:54,966
the appeals we do have appeals

7363
04:32:54,966 --> 04:32:55,700
that are currently on file and

7364
04:32:55,700 --> 04:32:56,400
these proposed amendments would

7365
04:32:56,400 --> 04:32:59,400
apply to appeals going forward

7366
04:32:59,437 --> 04:33:03,637
but not to the ones that are

7367
04:33:04,542 --> 04:33:05,209
currently pending In terms of

7368
04:33:05,209 --> 04:33:07,209
complete communities housing

7369
04:33:09,747 --> 04:33:10,548
solutions I believe projects

7370
04:33:10,548 --> 04:33:10,948
are able to opt into new

7371
04:33:10,948 --> 04:33:11,582
regulations.

7372
04:33:11,582 --> 04:33:11,949
They're grandfathered into

7373
04:33:11,949 --> 04:33:13,949
existing.

7374
04:33:15,820 --> 04:33:16,187
They can opt in to new if they

7375
04:33:16,187 --> 04:33:16,521
choose to.

7376
04:33:16,521 --> 04:33:17,221
>> Okay.

7377
04:33:17,221 --> 04:33:18,550
I think part of your point is

7378
04:33:18,550 --> 04:33:19,857
that there isn't a lot of

7379
04:33:19,857 --> 04:33:20,458
dramatic change.

7380
04:33:20,458 --> 04:33:21,580
The appeal is obviously

7381
04:33:21,580 --> 04:33:23,458
the most important one.

7382
04:33:25,163 --> 04:33:28,763
I'm going forward So I wanted

7383
04:33:29,667 --> 04:33:30,301
to build on the questions and

7384
04:33:30,301 --> 04:33:32,701
comments that my colleague

7385
04:33:34,806 --> 04:33:35,506
Councilmember Campbell said

7386
04:33:35,506 --> 04:33:37,906
The emerging district through

7387
04:33:39,376 --> 04:33:40,144
72 that have voluntarily is

7388
04:33:40,144 --> 04:33:40,845
there a threshold by which it

7389
04:33:40,845 --> 04:33:43,845
would change from an emerging

7390
04:33:45,283 --> 04:33:46,500
district to a historic district

7391
04:33:46,500 --> 04:33:49,650
if there were x number of

7392
04:33:50,688 --> 04:33:51,389
identify cottages in

7393
04:33:51,389 --> 04:33:51,756
the current criteria for that

7394
04:33:51,756 --> 04:33:53,756
district?

7395
04:33:55,426 --> 04:33:56,127
>> So when the emerging

7396
04:33:56,127 --> 04:33:58,527
historic district type was

7397
04:34:00,732 --> 04:34:01,266
created the policy stated that

7398
04:34:01,266 --> 04:34:01,966
when you had enough

7399
04:34:01,966 --> 04:34:04,366
contributing resources as part

7400
04:34:06,404 --> 04:34:07,720
of the district you would look

7401
04:34:07,720 --> 04:34:07,672
at converting it either to a

7402
04:34:07,672 --> 04:34:09,672
traditional district or

7403
04:34:11,175 --> 04:34:13,175
thematic district.

7404
04:34:16,810 --> 04:34:16,814
This district the contributing

7405
04:34:16,814 --> 04:34:17,382
resources are so scattered they

7406
04:34:17,382 --> 04:34:19,782
would never have that

7407
04:34:20,585 --> 04:34:21,286
concentration of typically

7408
04:34:21,286 --> 04:34:22,200
about 65% contributing that we

7409
04:34:22,200 --> 04:34:22,653
would look for in a traditional

7410
04:34:22,653 --> 04:34:25,530
district where we regulate

7411
04:34:25,823 --> 04:34:26,124
everything within the boundary

7412
04:34:26,124 --> 04:34:26,958
.

7413
04:34:26,958 --> 04:34:27,859
So if it were ever converted to

7414
04:34:27,859 --> 04:34:30,962
anything it would be a thematic

7415
04:34:30,962 --> 04:34:31,796
type district.

7416
04:34:31,796 --> 04:34:32,430
But our current district policy

7417
04:34:32,430 --> 04:34:34,430
doesn't reference thematic

7418
04:34:35,834 --> 04:34:36,701
districts because preservation

7419
04:34:36,701 --> 04:34:37,369
as a whole as a field moved

7420
04:34:37,369 --> 04:34:39,769
away from thematic districts

7421
04:34:41,439 --> 04:34:42,173
and towards multiple property

7422
04:34:42,173 --> 04:34:42,841
listings which is why the Ocean

7423
04:34:42,841 --> 04:34:45,241
Beach Blue Plan historic

7424
04:34:46,878 --> 04:34:47,546
preservation element recommends

7425
04:34:47,546 --> 04:34:48,280
converting the district to a

7426
04:34:48,280 --> 04:34:48,947
multiple property listing which

7427
04:34:48,947 --> 04:34:52,547
would have the same type of

7428
04:34:52,551 --> 04:34:53,250
regulation that the district

7429
04:34:53,250 --> 04:34:53,785
currently has just in a modern

7430
04:34:53,785 --> 04:34:55,785
preservation format.

7431
04:34:57,550 --> 04:34:57,989
Okay.

7432
04:34:57,989 --> 04:34:58,790
I wanted to ask because I think

7433
04:34:58,790 --> 04:35:01,190
I heard 3000 properties and

7434
04:35:02,761 --> 04:35:03,461
some representation There are

7435
04:35:03,461 --> 04:35:06,461
hundreds of these cottages so

7436
04:35:07,232 --> 04:35:07,966
even if every single one of

7437
04:35:07,966 --> 04:35:10,966
them converted it wouldn't meet

7438
04:35:11,970 --> 04:35:12,837
a threshold.

7439
04:35:12,837 --> 04:35:13,505
I don't foresee that they are

7440
04:35:13,505 --> 04:35:16,505
so scattered in the existing

7441
04:35:18,175 --> 04:35:18,844
boundary I don't see how you

7442
04:35:18,844 --> 04:35:19,544
would hit that concentration

7443
04:35:19,544 --> 04:35:21,580
And just anecdotally in terms

7444
04:35:21,580 --> 04:35:22,281
of what we've seen in the over

7445
04:35:22,281 --> 04:35:22,981
45 review we are not coming

7446
04:35:22,981 --> 04:35:23,414
across eligible cottages on a

7447
04:35:23,414 --> 04:35:25,414
regular basis.

7448
04:35:27,986 --> 04:35:28,853
>> Okay.

7449
04:35:28,853 --> 04:35:29,554
And I know I put you on

7450
04:35:29,554 --> 04:35:30,254
the spot I don't mean to hold

7451
04:35:30,254 --> 04:35:32,240
you there but I think that was

7452
04:35:32,240 --> 04:35:32,725
kind of what I thought you

7453
04:35:32,725 --> 04:35:36,325
would probably go in terms of

7454
04:35:38,630 --> 04:35:38,997
us making changes.

7455
04:35:38,997 --> 04:35:39,665
I've been here five years and I

7456
04:35:39,665 --> 04:35:42,665
have a hard time remembering

7457
04:35:42,835 --> 04:35:43,235
how many times an appeal came

7458
04:35:43,235 --> 04:35:44,169
to us.

7459
04:35:44,169 --> 04:35:44,970
Do you have any data on 2025,

7460
04:35:44,970 --> 04:35:47,370
2024 about how many appeals

7461
04:35:48,372 --> 04:35:48,707
actually made it to city

7462
04:35:48,707 --> 04:35:49,108
council?

7463
04:35:49,108 --> 04:35:49,808
I apologize.

7464
04:35:49,808 --> 04:35:50,109
I don't have numbers in front

7465
04:35:50,109 --> 04:35:52,109
of me.

7466
04:35:53,279 --> 04:35:54,460
I will say in most instances

7467
04:35:54,460 --> 04:35:57,460
appeals come before the city

7468
04:35:58,951 --> 04:35:59,651
council when the property owner

7469
04:35:59,651 --> 04:36:00,219
does not want designation and

7470
04:36:00,219 --> 04:36:00,953
the property has been

7471
04:36:00,953 --> 04:36:04,356
designated as part of a project

7472
04:36:04,356 --> 04:36:06,756
review process That happens

7473
04:36:09,628 --> 04:36:13,828
maybe once or twice a year if

7474
04:36:14,533 --> 04:36:15,301
that we did have a little kind

7475
04:36:15,301 --> 04:36:16,101
of flurry of appeals a couple

7476
04:36:16,101 --> 04:36:20,301
of years back where a member of

7477
04:36:20,339 --> 04:36:21,400
the community was appealing

7478
04:36:21,400 --> 04:36:21,740
designation where the property

7479
04:36:21,740 --> 04:36:24,740
owner wanted a designation And

7480
04:36:25,411 --> 04:36:26,450
so we saw kind of a little

7481
04:36:26,450 --> 04:36:26,812
uptick Then Those were all

7482
04:36:26,812 --> 04:36:29,812
appeals where staff did not

7483
04:36:31,250 --> 04:36:31,751
support the appeal and

7484
04:36:31,751 --> 04:36:32,218
the council upheld

7485
04:36:32,218 --> 04:36:34,218
the designation.

7486
04:36:36,589 --> 04:36:37,223
We have not seen appeals of

7487
04:36:37,223 --> 04:36:37,823
properties where the owner

7488
04:36:37,823 --> 04:36:39,823
wanted designation since

7489
04:36:42,194 --> 04:36:42,494
the appeal fee went into effect

7490
04:36:42,494 --> 04:36:43,362
.

7491
04:36:43,362 --> 04:36:45,631
>> So not very often I'm just

7492
04:36:45,631 --> 04:36:49,231
kind of checking my notes for

7493
04:36:51,937 --> 04:36:52,838
the other question that I had

7494
04:36:52,838 --> 04:36:53,506
and you know how I look at

7495
04:36:53,506 --> 04:36:56,506
these things So the findings

7496
04:36:57,843 --> 04:36:58,511
not supported So when we get a

7497
04:36:58,511 --> 04:37:00,511
discretionary review project

7498
04:37:02,715 --> 04:37:03,482
and we're told this is a quasi

7499
04:37:03,482 --> 04:37:07,820
judicial de novo hearing and we

7500
04:37:09,155 --> 04:37:09,889
want to deny the project, we

7501
04:37:09,889 --> 04:37:10,555
get advised that you better dig

7502
04:37:10,555 --> 04:37:14,260
deep and you better tell us

7503
04:37:14,260 --> 04:37:14,760
which findings you're not

7504
04:37:14,760 --> 04:37:15,461
making or what the findings are

7505
04:37:15,461 --> 04:37:18,461
that you're going to overturn

7506
04:37:19,165 --> 04:37:19,966
this if it's simply a council

7507
04:37:19,966 --> 04:37:23,566
member saying Hey, I can't make

7508
04:37:24,771 --> 04:37:25,471
the findings so the three

7509
04:37:25,471 --> 04:37:26,205
current findings that are are

7510
04:37:26,205 --> 04:37:26,805
available to you would continue

7511
04:37:26,805 --> 04:37:29,805
to be available to you.

7512
04:37:29,975 --> 04:37:30,575
We'd be adding this fourth

7513
04:37:30,575 --> 04:37:31,277
finding of findings not

7514
04:37:31,277 --> 04:37:34,277
supported and what that would

7515
04:37:34,847 --> 04:37:35,548
require the Council to do in

7516
04:37:35,548 --> 04:37:36,249
making that finding is to look

7517
04:37:36,249 --> 04:37:36,949
at all of the information that

7518
04:37:36,949 --> 04:37:39,949
was presented to the board

7519
04:37:40,553 --> 04:37:41,154
regarding the building's

7520
04:37:41,154 --> 04:37:41,754
history and how it meets

7521
04:37:41,754 --> 04:37:42,388
the city's criteria for

7522
04:37:42,388 --> 04:37:44,388
designation and determine

7523
04:37:46,659 --> 04:37:47,259
whether the findings that

7524
04:37:47,259 --> 04:37:47,860
the board made when they

7525
04:37:47,860 --> 04:37:48,561
designated designated it

7526
04:37:48,561 --> 04:37:51,664
because they do have to adopt

7527
04:37:51,664 --> 04:37:52,198
findings specifying which

7528
04:37:52,198 --> 04:37:52,832
designation criteria

7529
04:37:52,832 --> 04:37:53,466
the property meets and why

7530
04:37:53,466 --> 04:37:55,866
whether that finding that

7531
04:37:57,904 --> 04:37:58,438
the board made is supported by

7532
04:37:58,438 --> 04:37:59,380
the record by all of

7533
04:37:59,380 --> 04:37:59,738
the information that was

7534
04:37:59,738 --> 04:38:02,609
presented to the board and if

7535
04:38:02,609 --> 04:38:03,343
you find that it is not

7536
04:38:03,343 --> 04:38:04,770
supported then you can overturn

7537
04:38:04,770 --> 04:38:04,377
the designation on that ground.

7538
04:38:04,377 --> 04:38:06,377
Okay.

7539
04:38:07,947 --> 04:38:09,480
Thank you for clarifying that.

7540
04:38:09,480 --> 04:38:13,248
>> It was a symbol of all three

7541
04:38:13,486 --> 04:38:15,886
words in reflecting on

7542
04:38:18,458 --> 04:38:19,920
the comments by the public I

7543
04:38:19,920 --> 04:38:19,793
will tell you that anytime

7544
04:38:19,793 --> 04:38:23,393
anybody uses the word to give

7545
04:38:24,864 --> 04:38:25,497
me your yimby I pretty much

7546
04:38:25,497 --> 04:38:26,166
toss out their arguments.

7547
04:38:26,166 --> 04:38:28,566
>> The argument that you're

7548
04:38:31,404 --> 04:38:32,105
politicizing or you're putting

7549
04:38:32,105 --> 04:38:32,806
in the hands of politicians I

7550
04:38:32,806 --> 04:38:35,806
cannot say it doesn't resonate

7551
04:38:36,900 --> 04:38:39,609
resonate with me because we do

7552
04:38:41,140 --> 04:38:41,748
de novo hearings all the time.

7553
04:38:41,748 --> 04:38:45,348
We're asked to be experts on

7554
04:38:46,586 --> 04:38:47,220
biology's soils engineering,

7555
04:38:47,220 --> 04:38:49,220
traffic engineering, even

7556
04:38:51,892 --> 04:38:52,592
interpretation sequel and that

7557
04:38:52,592 --> 04:38:56,192
is a requirement we do all

7558
04:38:58,231 --> 04:38:58,865
the time and it's a big ask of

7559
04:38:58,865 --> 04:38:59,533
asking enough Our council

7560
04:38:59,533 --> 04:39:01,933
members sometimes we support

7561
04:39:03,470 --> 04:39:04,104
the appeal, sometimes we don't

7562
04:39:04,104 --> 04:39:07,104
based on our best efforts.

7563
04:39:09,709 --> 04:39:10,376
So I don't see that the one

7564
04:39:10,376 --> 04:39:13,376
change that seems to occupy

7565
04:39:15,480 --> 04:39:15,682
most folks mind as in itself a

7566
04:39:15,682 --> 04:39:16,316
compelling However what is

7567
04:39:16,316 --> 04:39:19,316
compelling to me is that

7568
04:39:21,321 --> 04:39:21,654
appeals are few and far

7569
04:39:21,654 --> 04:39:23,654
between.

7570
04:39:26,993 --> 04:39:27,627
I've seen appeals if my memory

7571
04:39:27,627 --> 04:39:28,327
serves me which it doesn't

7572
04:39:28,327 --> 04:39:28,962
often they actually support an

7573
04:39:28,962 --> 04:39:31,362
appeal and we've rejected

7574
04:39:32,733 --> 04:39:33,433
appeals everybody.

7575
04:39:33,433 --> 04:39:36,433
Some people walked away happy,

7576
04:39:38,380 --> 04:39:38,906
some people walked away unhappy

7577
04:39:38,906 --> 04:39:42,676
But nobody felt like as far as

7578
04:39:42,676 --> 04:39:43,477
I could tell that while if I

7579
04:39:43,477 --> 04:39:44,445
just had one more tool here and

7580
04:39:44,445 --> 04:39:48,645
so I am not going to support

7581
04:39:49,449 --> 04:39:50,150
the package for the inclusion

7582
04:39:50,150 --> 04:39:50,917
of the findings not supported

7583
04:39:50,917 --> 04:39:55,117
I'm not going to ask for an

7584
04:39:55,756 --> 04:39:56,490
amendment but I would ask my

7585
04:39:56,490 --> 04:39:56,757
colleagues to think twice about

7586
04:39:56,757 --> 04:39:58,757
it.

7587
04:40:01,428 --> 04:40:02,229
I would ask about be

7588
04:40:02,229 --> 04:40:02,930
reevaluated as to what are we

7589
04:40:02,930 --> 04:40:03,664
really doing with this Because

7590
04:40:03,664 --> 04:40:04,231
a few people thought that was a

7591
04:40:04,231 --> 04:40:07,231
good idea just as very

7592
04:40:07,634 --> 04:40:08,235
compelling to me and I don't

7593
04:40:08,235 --> 04:40:11,235
see any evidence that it

7594
04:40:12,673 --> 04:40:13,273
actually is an important tool

7595
04:40:13,273 --> 04:40:13,874
that we're dramatically

7596
04:40:13,874 --> 04:40:14,575
reducing that is causing

7597
04:40:14,575 --> 04:40:16,575
disruption, interference, what

7598
04:40:18,445 --> 04:40:19,179
have you.

7599
04:40:19,179 --> 04:40:19,880
But clearly in the public's

7600
04:40:19,880 --> 04:40:24,800
eyes the fear of what it could

7601
04:40:24,785 --> 04:40:25,486
mean is disruptive And I'm just

7602
04:40:25,486 --> 04:40:26,187
exhausted in terms of cutting

7603
04:40:26,187 --> 04:40:27,788
people off for no apparent

7604
04:40:27,788 --> 04:40:29,788
value.

7605
04:40:34,295 --> 04:40:35,290
I to be very honest.

7606
04:40:35,290 --> 04:40:35,729
So I want people to support

7607
04:40:35,729 --> 04:40:36,363
the package with the findings

7608
04:40:36,363 --> 04:40:39,363
that support it included I

7609
04:40:40,133 --> 04:40:40,701
think the rest of it is very

7610
04:40:40,701 --> 04:40:41,502
good work for package.

7611
04:40:41,502 --> 04:40:45,702
I would want to begin to think

7612
04:40:46,373 --> 04:40:46,973
about what you're going to

7613
04:40:46,973 --> 04:40:47,642
throw in the package be.

7614
04:40:47,642 --> 04:40:48,309
And the other thing somebody

7615
04:40:48,309 --> 04:40:48,909
mentioned quite passionately

7616
04:40:48,909 --> 04:40:51,309
about the protection of

7617
04:40:52,178 --> 04:40:52,813
the coastal height limit want

7618
04:40:52,813 --> 04:40:53,447
to come see a five story

7619
04:40:53,447 --> 04:40:55,847
building in Pacific Beach?

7620
04:40:56,550 --> 04:40:57,251
You want to see a 23 story

7621
04:40:57,251 --> 04:40:59,651
application of Pacific Beach?

7622
04:41:01,822 --> 04:41:02,890
Yeah, that's my exactly a lot

7623
04:41:02,890 --> 04:41:07,695
of what we do is not what we do

7624
04:41:07,695 --> 04:41:08,630
It's what Sacramento tells us

7625
04:41:08,630 --> 04:41:08,763
to do.

7626
04:41:08,763 --> 04:41:12,363
It doesn't make me happy with

7627
04:41:13,768 --> 04:41:14,468
the councilmember who wants to

7628
04:41:14,468 --> 04:41:15,169
listen to the public and do

7629
04:41:15,169 --> 04:41:15,903
what I think are good things

7630
04:41:15,903 --> 04:41:18,303
but simply implementing convert

7631
04:41:19,607 --> 04:41:20,240
our municipal code into what

7632
04:41:20,240 --> 04:41:23,240
Sacramento tells us to do.

7633
04:41:26,246 --> 04:41:27,810
>> So with that I Oh okay.

7634
04:41:27,810 --> 04:41:27,982
Yeah I'm not ready to call yet

7635
04:41:27,982 --> 04:41:31,582
but thank you Charles But I

7636
04:41:32,419 --> 04:41:33,540
think that concludes my

7637
04:41:33,540 --> 04:41:33,721
comments Otherwise I think

7638
04:41:33,721 --> 04:41:34,455
staff for the good work and

7639
04:41:34,455 --> 04:41:35,890
thank all of you for coming out

7640
04:41:35,890 --> 04:41:38,890
and my go to Councilmember

7641
04:41:40,828 --> 04:41:41,462
Campbell Thank you so much for

7642
04:41:41,462 --> 04:41:44,462
letting me speak again I'm

7643
04:41:45,298 --> 04:41:45,766
sorry you're exhausted so far

7644
04:41:45,766 --> 04:41:46,834
so are we.

7645
04:41:46,834 --> 04:41:51,340
But I just wanted to say that

7646
04:41:51,272 --> 04:41:54,272
Obie has 2.4% properties of its

7647
04:41:57,110 --> 04:41:59,411
parcels whereas Sherman Heights

7648
04:42:01,449 --> 04:42:02,317
of 74% in the historic area and

7649
04:42:02,317 --> 04:42:02,616
South Park 73% in the historic

7650
04:42:02,616 --> 04:42:03,518
area.

7651
04:42:03,518 --> 04:42:07,718
So it gives you some idea of

7652
04:42:08,323 --> 04:42:09,230
the criteria by which a

7653
04:42:09,230 --> 04:42:12,230
historic district is is chosen

7654
04:42:12,994 --> 04:42:16,594
and is able to become one.

7655
04:42:17,599 --> 04:42:18,233
So I'm sorry about that But we

7656
04:42:18,233 --> 04:42:18,866
do have the 30 foot weight

7657
04:42:18,866 --> 04:42:19,367
limit and I'm fighting all

7658
04:42:19,367 --> 04:42:19,800
the time for that.

7659
04:42:19,800 --> 04:42:21,800
>> Thank you.

7660
04:42:23,438 --> 04:42:23,805
All right.

7661
04:42:23,805 --> 04:42:24,205
Thank you.

7662
04:42:24,205 --> 04:42:24,873
Yes, ma'am.

7663
04:42:24,873 --> 04:42:25,540
Campbell, you said it much

7664
04:42:25,540 --> 04:42:29,140
better than the point I was

7665
04:42:30,745 --> 04:42:31,112
trying to make Council council

7666
04:42:31,112 --> 04:42:31,746
PRESIDENT.

7667
04:42:31,746 --> 04:42:32,413
>> I can't think of

7668
04:42:32,413 --> 04:42:32,947
the PRESIDENT I won't repeat

7669
04:42:32,947 --> 04:42:35,116
all my comments from

7670
04:42:35,116 --> 04:42:35,884
the letters hearing.

7671
04:42:35,884 --> 04:42:36,584
But I think many of them

7672
04:42:36,584 --> 04:42:37,218
reflect a mix of what some of

7673
04:42:37,218 --> 04:42:39,618
my colleagues have already

7674
04:42:41,756 --> 04:42:42,456
shared, which is I think

7675
04:42:42,456 --> 04:42:43,158
the council PRESIDENT Self as

7676
04:42:43,158 --> 04:42:46,158
he noted this council already

7677
04:42:47,496 --> 04:42:48,960
is expected to have de novo

7678
04:42:48,960 --> 04:42:48,730
hearings on a variety of

7679
04:42:48,730 --> 04:42:51,730
subjects even if there was

7680
04:42:53,868 --> 04:42:54,603
another body determined.

7681
04:42:54,603 --> 04:42:55,303
And then I would note to

7682
04:42:55,303 --> 04:42:55,971
Councilmember Woodburn's point

7683
04:42:55,971 --> 04:42:58,840
many of the land use matters

7684
04:42:58,840 --> 04:42:59,574
for the city evolve to this

7685
04:42:59,574 --> 04:43:00,308
body as it currently stands and

7686
04:43:00,308 --> 04:43:04,508
I'm pretty sure this is a group

7687
04:43:04,979 --> 04:43:05,647
that would not appreciate it if

7688
04:43:05,647 --> 04:43:06,380
those decisions were simply

7689
04:43:06,380 --> 04:43:07,480
made by a body of experts which

7690
04:43:07,480 --> 04:43:09,448
are the Planning Commission

7691
04:43:10,752 --> 04:43:11,686
aside from city staff.

7692
04:43:11,686 --> 04:43:12,870
So it's again a bit of a double

7693
04:43:12,870 --> 04:43:12,687
edged sword.

7694
04:43:12,687 --> 04:43:15,687
So I appreciate the same

7695
04:43:16,358 --> 04:43:16,791
arguments that Council

7696
04:43:16,791 --> 04:43:17,492
PRESIDENT Had.

7697
04:43:17,492 --> 04:43:18,159
I just have the opposite view

7698
04:43:18,159 --> 04:43:18,960
of it which is that I don't

7699
04:43:18,960 --> 04:43:22,564
believe this is going to add a

7700
04:43:22,564 --> 04:43:23,265
significant number of

7701
04:43:23,265 --> 04:43:23,932
opportunities for this council

7702
04:43:23,932 --> 04:43:24,466
to to hear items that we're

7703
04:43:24,466 --> 04:43:26,866
actually going to be

7704
04:43:28,603 --> 04:43:29,404
overturning especially since

7705
04:43:29,404 --> 04:43:30,720
fees have been put in place to

7706
04:43:30,720 --> 04:43:32,472
deter frivolous appeals from

7707
04:43:34,609 --> 04:43:35,376
taking place.

7708
04:43:35,376 --> 04:43:39,576
And I fully support the idea of

7709
04:43:40,949 --> 04:43:41,650
some review in a year or so to

7710
04:43:41,650 --> 04:43:42,317
understand if this has changed

7711
04:43:42,317 --> 04:43:42,884
the number of appeals we get

7712
04:43:42,884 --> 04:43:45,284
and what happens with

7713
04:43:46,655 --> 04:43:47,356
the findings that supported

7714
04:43:47,356 --> 04:43:48,230
component being an option and

7715
04:43:48,230 --> 04:43:51,623
that'll give us a chance to

7716
04:43:54,630 --> 04:43:54,830
sort of move forward from there

7717
04:43:54,830 --> 04:43:55,464
And that's why I'm happy to

7718
04:43:55,464 --> 04:43:55,830
support the just granite.

7719
04:43:55,830 --> 04:43:56,198
Thank you.

7720
04:43:56,198 --> 04:43:56,565
All right.

7721
04:43:56,565 --> 04:43:58,565
Thank you.

7722
04:43:59,768 --> 04:44:00,535
At the present certainly I

7723
04:44:00,535 --> 04:44:01,336
don't see anybody else like so

7724
04:44:01,336 --> 04:44:03,505
we have a motion by council

7725
04:44:03,505 --> 04:44:04,138
Campbell and second by

7726
04:44:04,138 --> 04:44:04,773
COUNCILMAN Lippert to move

7727
04:44:04,773 --> 04:44:06,508
the staff recommendations.

7728
04:44:06,508 --> 04:44:07,375
>> clerk Please call the roll.

7729
04:44:07,375 --> 04:44:10,375
>> I certainly going to simply

7730
04:44:18,554 --> 04:44:19,354
cast your vote That passes 5 to

7731
04:44:19,354 --> 04:44:21,754
1 with council member Lacob

7732
04:44:28,364 --> 04:44:29,640
Council PRESIDENT And Council

7733
04:44:29,640 --> 04:44:29,665
member Eli Rivera Council for

7734
04:44:29,665 --> 04:44:30,298
Campaign and Council on

7735
04:44:30,298 --> 04:44:30,966
rebuttal over absent Thank

7736
04:44:30,966 --> 04:44:31,667
Council PRESIDENT All right

7737
04:44:31,667 --> 04:44:34,667
again thank you everybody that

7738
04:44:35,304 --> 04:44:38,904
showed up and so with that

7739
04:44:41,610 --> 04:44:42,311
clerk please introduce item 331

7740
04:44:42,311 --> 04:44:42,977
excuse me item 331 is

7741
04:44:42,977 --> 04:44:43,646
the dedication of city owned

7742
04:44:43,646 --> 04:44:43,978
land for the Fenton Parkway

7743
04:44:43,978 --> 04:44:45,978
Bridge.

7744
04:44:48,817 --> 04:44:49,351
If you were here I'd like to

7745
04:44:49,351 --> 04:44:50,520
speak to this item.

7746
04:44:50,520 --> 04:44:50,719
Please limit your speakers up

7747
04:44:50,719 --> 04:44:51,320
to the front of the room in

7748
04:44:51,320 --> 04:44:53,889
the clear box If you're

7749
04:44:53,889 --> 04:44:54,590
participating remotely now's

7750
04:44:54,590 --> 04:44:55,324
the time to raise your hand by

7751
04:44:55,324 --> 04:44:55,791
pressing Star nine or the raise

7752
04:44:55,791 --> 04:44:57,791
your hand icon.

7753
04:44:58,794 --> 04:44:59,161
Thank you Council PRESIDENT.

7754
04:44:59,161 --> 04:45:01,161
All right.

7755
04:45:17,279 --> 04:45:17,747
Thank you.

7756
04:45:17,747 --> 04:45:18,447
Good afternoon.

7757
04:45:18,447 --> 04:45:22,470
Council We're going to give a

7758
04:45:23,319 --> 04:45:23,819
little chance for the oh okay

7759
04:45:23,819 --> 04:45:25,819
Crowd initiative.

7760
04:45:28,157 --> 04:45:31,157
I'll wait for your okay.

7761
04:45:38,201 --> 04:45:38,900
Okay I probably was not so you

7762
04:45:38,900 --> 04:45:39,569
should self record and let us

7763
04:45:39,569 --> 04:45:40,903
know how much time you need.

7764
04:45:40,903 --> 04:45:41,571
>> Thank you.

7765
04:45:41,571 --> 04:45:42,205
Good afternoon again Council

7766
04:45:42,205 --> 04:45:42,737
PRESIDENT Council members.

7767
04:45:42,737 --> 04:45:44,737
I'm Mark Frederick.

7768
04:45:46,842 --> 04:45:47,510
I'm the program manager for

7769
04:45:47,510 --> 04:45:48,110
real estate dispositions in

7770
04:45:48,110 --> 04:45:48,511
the Economic Development

7771
04:45:48,511 --> 04:45:50,511
Department.

7772
04:45:53,916 --> 04:45:54,584
I'm going to wrap thoroughly on

7773
04:45:54,584 --> 04:45:55,284
first talk in this market.

7774
04:45:55,284 --> 04:45:55,884
Would you mind taking your

7775
04:45:55,884 --> 04:45:57,884
conversations out into

7776
04:45:58,521 --> 04:46:00,921
the foyer there please?

7777
04:46:12,869 --> 04:46:13,736
Please move along So okay.

7778
04:46:13,736 --> 04:46:16,136
The gentleman from Mission

7779
04:46:19,309 --> 04:46:21,309
Heritage your constituent

7780
04:46:24,847 --> 04:46:25,169
council member library.

7781
04:46:25,169 --> 04:46:25,648
MR..

7782
04:46:25,648 --> 04:46:25,948
There we go.

7783
04:46:25,948 --> 04:46:26,615
Okay.

7784
04:46:26,615 --> 04:46:27,116
I'm sorry for the restroom.

7785
04:46:27,116 --> 04:46:27,550
Please start from

7786
04:46:27,550 --> 04:46:29,550
the beginning.

7787
04:46:31,200 --> 04:46:31,721
No problem at all.

7788
04:46:31,721 --> 04:46:32,322
Mark Frederick I'm the program

7789
04:46:32,322 --> 04:46:33,220
manager for real estate

7790
04:46:33,220 --> 04:46:35,422
dispositions and the Economic

7791
04:46:36,493 --> 04:46:37,293
Development Department.

7792
04:46:37,293 --> 04:46:37,927
With me today is Tyler Garland.

7793
04:46:37,927 --> 04:46:38,494
He's a property agent on

7794
04:46:38,494 --> 04:46:40,494
the dispositions team.

7795
04:46:43,333 --> 04:46:43,967
Also with us today is Lucy

7796
04:46:43,967 --> 04:46:44,499
Contreras who's the deputy

7797
04:46:44,499 --> 04:46:46,499
director of economic

7798
04:46:48,471 --> 04:46:49,172
development Department and

7799
04:46:49,172 --> 04:46:49,839
Kevin Risch who is with

7800
04:46:49,839 --> 04:46:52,239
the city attorney's office.

7801
04:46:53,709 --> 04:46:54,376
This presentation will take

7802
04:46:54,376 --> 04:46:55,111
approximately four minutes.

7803
04:46:55,111 --> 04:46:55,778
The subject of the presentation

7804
04:46:55,778 --> 04:46:59,378
is the dedication of sea on

7805
04:46:59,849 --> 04:47:00,483
land for the construction of

7806
04:47:00,483 --> 04:47:01,151
the Fenton Parkway Bridge.

7807
04:47:01,151 --> 04:47:01,784
If approved, the dedication

7808
04:47:01,784 --> 04:47:04,784
will allow San Diego State

7809
04:47:06,256 --> 04:47:06,956
University to move forward with

7810
04:47:06,956 --> 04:47:07,656
the construction of the bridge

7811
04:47:07,656 --> 04:47:08,358
which is part of the continued

7812
04:47:08,358 --> 04:47:11,358
development of San Diego State

7813
04:47:11,560 --> 04:47:12,362
Mission Valley.

7814
04:47:12,362 --> 04:47:13,620
>> This slide shows the first

7815
04:47:13,620 --> 04:47:16,620
two of three requested actions

7816
04:47:16,800 --> 04:47:17,500
that staff is proposing today

7817
04:47:17,500 --> 04:47:18,680
for council approval adopt a

7818
04:47:18,680 --> 04:47:18,735
resolution authorizing

7819
04:47:18,735 --> 04:47:22,335
the mayor or his designee to

7820
04:47:23,240 --> 04:47:23,907
take all actions necessary to

7821
04:47:23,907 --> 04:47:24,607
facilitate the dedication of

7822
04:47:24,607 --> 04:47:28,807
just over two acres of land on

7823
04:47:29,813 --> 04:47:30,480
city owned property for public

7824
04:47:30,480 --> 04:47:31,214
street purposes specifically

7825
04:47:31,214 --> 04:47:34,214
for construction of the bridge.

7826
04:47:34,751 --> 04:47:35,452
Number two authorize the chief

7827
04:47:35,452 --> 04:47:38,452
financial officer to move just

7828
04:47:39,122 --> 04:47:39,823
under $93,000 from

7829
04:47:39,823 --> 04:47:40,456
the appropriate transportation

7830
04:47:40,456 --> 04:47:43,456
fund to the Public Utility

7831
04:47:44,795 --> 04:47:45,362
Department's water fund to

7832
04:47:45,362 --> 04:47:45,762
encumber the land with

7833
04:47:45,762 --> 04:47:46,463
the bridge.

7834
04:47:46,463 --> 04:47:47,300
This is based on the appraised

7835
04:47:47,300 --> 04:47:50,300
value of the land and

7836
04:47:50,499 --> 04:47:51,134
reimbursement costs from

7837
04:47:51,134 --> 04:47:53,534
transportation to puti for

7838
04:47:56,873 --> 04:47:57,574
improvements made to the land.

7839
04:47:57,574 --> 04:47:58,308
This next slide shows the last

7840
04:47:58,308 --> 04:48:01,308
of three requested actions that

7841
04:48:02,478 --> 04:48:03,800
staff is proposing adopt a

7842
04:48:03,800 --> 04:48:03,647
resolution stating that

7843
04:48:03,647 --> 04:48:04,247
the City Council as a

7844
04:48:04,247 --> 04:48:04,915
responsible agency under

7845
04:48:04,915 --> 04:48:06,915
the California Environmental

7846
04:48:09,190 --> 04:48:09,619
Quality Act or cpa has reviewed

7847
04:48:09,619 --> 04:48:12,190
and considered the final

7848
04:48:14,560 --> 04:48:14,691
environmental impact report for

7849
04:48:14,691 --> 04:48:15,392
the Fenton Parkway Bridge

7850
04:48:15,392 --> 04:48:15,992
Project which was certified by

7851
04:48:15,992 --> 04:48:18,992
the Board of Trustees of

7852
04:48:19,997 --> 04:48:20,631
the California State University

7853
04:48:20,631 --> 04:48:23,310
in 2024 and further adopts

7854
04:48:25,402 --> 04:48:26,103
the mitigation, monitoring and

7855
04:48:26,103 --> 04:48:26,670
reporting program findings of

7856
04:48:26,670 --> 04:48:29,700
fact and statement of

7857
04:48:31,408 --> 04:48:32,108
overriding considerations that

7858
04:48:32,108 --> 04:48:32,776
are associated with the final

7859
04:48:32,776 --> 04:48:33,477
environmental impact report.

7860
04:48:33,477 --> 04:48:37,414
At this time I'd like to hand

7861
04:48:37,414 --> 04:48:38,480
things over to Tyler to provide

7862
04:48:38,480 --> 04:48:38,715
some additional background

7863
04:48:38,715 --> 04:48:39,183
information on the project.

7864
04:48:39,183 --> 04:48:41,183
Thank you Mark.

7865
04:48:43,787 --> 04:48:44,521
This slide provides a brief

7866
04:48:44,521 --> 04:48:45,122
recap and timeline of San Diego

7867
04:48:45,122 --> 04:48:47,122
State's redevelopment of

7868
04:48:48,959 --> 04:48:49,660
the stadium site in 2018

7869
04:48:49,660 --> 04:48:50,327
Measure d passed authorizing

7870
04:48:50,327 --> 04:48:54,231
the sale of the city site to

7871
04:48:54,231 --> 04:48:54,798
sdsu to which in 2020

7872
04:48:54,798 --> 04:48:55,366
the property was then

7873
04:48:55,366 --> 04:48:55,933
transferred in 2020 to

7874
04:48:55,933 --> 04:48:57,933
Snapdragon Stadium was

7875
04:49:00,170 --> 04:49:00,838
completed and the city and csu

7876
04:49:00,838 --> 04:49:01,472
entered into a memorandum of

7877
04:49:01,472 --> 04:49:03,872
Understanding or mou to

7878
04:49:05,909 --> 04:49:06,610
construct the Front and Parkway

7879
04:49:06,610 --> 04:49:07,211
Bridge In 2026 the city seeks

7880
04:49:07,211 --> 04:49:10,211
to dedicate the land and

7881
04:49:11,315 --> 04:49:11,949
transfer the property rights

7882
04:49:11,949 --> 04:49:12,516
from the Public Utilities

7883
04:49:12,516 --> 04:49:13,217
Department or Puti to

7884
04:49:13,217 --> 04:49:13,917
the Transportation Department

7885
04:49:13,917 --> 04:49:16,917
to allow for the construction

7886
04:49:16,954 --> 04:49:17,755
of the bridge.

7887
04:49:17,755 --> 04:49:18,322
This slide shows the property

7888
04:49:18,322 --> 04:49:18,723
location and describes

7889
04:49:18,723 --> 04:49:20,723
the project.

7890
04:49:24,280 --> 04:49:24,762
The bridge will be located

7891
04:49:24,762 --> 04:49:25,429
southwest of Snapdragon Stadium

7892
04:49:25,429 --> 04:49:25,729
and the Mission Valley River

7893
04:49:25,729 --> 04:49:26,430
Park.

7894
04:49:26,430 --> 04:49:29,200
It will connect Barton Parkway

7895
04:49:29,200 --> 04:49:29,867
on the north side of the river

7896
04:49:29,867 --> 04:49:30,534
to Camino del Rio north on

7897
04:49:30,534 --> 04:49:31,135
the south side of the river.

7898
04:49:31,135 --> 04:49:33,535
The dedication area will

7899
04:49:35,606 --> 04:49:35,906
encompass approximately two

7900
04:49:35,906 --> 04:49:36,607
acres.

7901
04:49:36,607 --> 04:49:37,340
Once completed the bridge will

7902
04:49:37,340 --> 04:49:40,340
be approximately 400ft long and

7903
04:49:41,712 --> 04:49:42,380
will provide vehicular bicycle

7904
04:49:42,380 --> 04:49:43,470
and pedestrian access access

7905
04:49:43,470 --> 04:49:43,580
across the San Diego River.

7906
04:49:43,580 --> 04:49:45,980
The combined cost of

7907
04:49:48,219 --> 04:49:48,886
the dedication incurred

7908
04:49:48,886 --> 04:49:49,587
mitigation and appraisal was

7909
04:49:49,587 --> 04:49:51,587
approximately $93,000 and will

7910
04:49:54,570 --> 04:49:54,658
be paid by the transportation

7911
04:49:54,658 --> 04:49:54,993
Department deputy under

7912
04:49:54,993 --> 04:49:56,993
the mou.

7913
04:49:59,663 --> 04:50:00,331
Sdsu design will designed and

7914
04:50:00,331 --> 04:50:01,640
construct the bridge to meet

7915
04:50:01,640 --> 04:50:01,633
the Transportation Department's

7916
04:50:01,633 --> 04:50:02,209
design standards after

7917
04:50:02,209 --> 04:50:02,567
construction has been

7918
04:50:02,567 --> 04:50:04,567
completed.

7919
04:50:07,380 --> 04:50:07,737
Sdsu will undertake all

7920
04:50:07,737 --> 04:50:08,439
maintenance responsibility of

7921
04:50:08,439 --> 04:50:12,390
the bridge for five years upon

7922
04:50:12,410 --> 04:50:12,976
expiration of sdc use five year

7923
04:50:12,976 --> 04:50:13,678
maintenance obligation

7924
04:50:13,678 --> 04:50:14,312
The Transportation Department

7925
04:50:14,312 --> 04:50:16,712
will take over maintenance

7926
04:50:17,715 --> 04:50:18,583
responsibility for the bridge.

7927
04:50:18,583 --> 04:50:19,183
To recap these next two slides

7928
04:50:19,183 --> 04:50:19,884
state the staff's three

7929
04:50:19,884 --> 04:50:22,284
requested actions for council

7930
04:50:23,187 --> 04:50:23,955
approval.

7931
04:50:23,955 --> 04:50:26,355
This concludes our presentation

7932
04:50:30,528 --> 04:50:30,895
Subject to any questions you

7933
04:50:30,895 --> 04:50:31,262
MAY have.

7934
04:50:31,262 --> 04:50:31,963
All right.

7935
04:50:31,963 --> 04:50:32,597
Thank you for the presentation

7936
04:50:32,597 --> 04:50:32,930
and the work to bring this

7937
04:50:32,930 --> 04:50:34,930
forward.

7938
04:50:36,401 --> 04:50:36,868
Clark please proceed with

7939
04:50:36,868 --> 04:50:37,568
public comment.

7940
04:50:37,568 --> 04:50:38,236
I have no public comment here

7941
04:50:38,236 --> 04:50:41,236
in council chambers going to

7942
04:50:42,874 --> 04:50:43,575
those participating remotely.

7943
04:50:43,575 --> 04:50:44,309
We have currently two speakers

7944
04:50:44,309 --> 04:50:45,900
I'm sorry the five minute timer

7945
04:50:45,900 --> 04:50:48,313
the original if you can please

7946
04:50:48,313 --> 04:50:51,913
on mute after that will be 700.

7947
04:50:54,586 --> 04:50:54,948
You guys are so good at people

7948
04:50:54,948 --> 04:50:55,487
.

7949
04:50:55,487 --> 04:50:56,120
It's really interesting.

7950
04:50:56,120 --> 04:50:56,788
We're just like normal for

7951
04:50:56,788 --> 04:50:59,324
people that end up in like

7952
04:50:59,324 --> 04:51:00,158
the world right?

7953
04:51:00,158 --> 04:51:01,250
So like as you like we're going

7954
04:51:01,250 --> 04:51:05,225
to it's going to be this entity

7955
04:51:06,698 --> 04:51:07,398
like the transportation firm

7956
04:51:07,398 --> 04:51:08,980
then it's the public utilities

7957
04:51:08,980 --> 04:51:08,366
is going to have their hand in

7958
04:51:08,366 --> 04:51:09,670
it.

7959
04:51:09,670 --> 04:51:12,503
So is this city like it's just

7960
04:51:12,503 --> 04:51:13,103
it's funny how things kind of

7961
04:51:13,103 --> 04:51:13,737
go from hand to hand.

7962
04:51:13,737 --> 04:51:14,372
The people are going to be

7963
04:51:14,372 --> 04:51:16,772
responsible and this isn't

7964
04:51:17,942 --> 04:51:18,610
going to adversely affect

7965
04:51:18,610 --> 04:51:19,310
the you know, public utility

7966
04:51:19,310 --> 04:51:22,910
funds and stuff like that And

7967
04:51:23,815 --> 04:51:24,582
that's a good picture.

7968
04:51:24,582 --> 04:51:25,283
I mean you really do like

7969
04:51:25,283 --> 04:51:28,883
you're good at really just you

7970
04:51:29,540 --> 04:51:29,721
know, the poker face is, you

7971
04:51:29,721 --> 04:51:30,455
know, trying to tell people

7972
04:51:30,455 --> 04:51:34,655
that like you want to hear from

7973
04:51:35,393 --> 04:51:36,161
them So you give them a minute

7974
04:51:36,161 --> 04:51:36,460
and then you're like you know

7975
04:51:36,460 --> 04:51:37,161
what?

7976
04:51:37,161 --> 04:51:37,829
It's really nice to be able to

7977
04:51:37,829 --> 04:51:40,665
have 15 minutes to have you

7978
04:51:40,665 --> 04:51:41,566
really just explain everything

7979
04:51:41,566 --> 04:51:45,166
that's going on and then you

7980
04:51:48,440 --> 04:51:49,107
know like I just oh my gosh.

7981
04:51:49,107 --> 04:51:49,774
It just it's it's really

7982
04:51:49,774 --> 04:51:52,174
actually comical to see

7983
04:51:53,645 --> 04:51:54,312
the things that you guys do and

7984
04:51:54,312 --> 04:51:55,113
how you spend our money and

7985
04:51:55,113 --> 04:51:58,713
when you're doing busy work and

7986
04:51:59,151 --> 04:51:59,851
you really want people to

7987
04:51:59,851 --> 04:52:00,552
believe that it's not going to

7988
04:52:00,552 --> 04:52:01,219
adversely affect them But like

7989
04:52:01,219 --> 04:52:04,819
any time you take that money

7990
04:52:04,923 --> 04:52:05,657
and do something with it, it

7991
04:52:05,657 --> 04:52:06,910
adversely affects the people in

7992
04:52:06,910 --> 04:52:08,910
the community.

7993
04:52:10,929 --> 04:52:11,630
All your like we want to hear

7994
04:52:11,630 --> 04:52:12,130
from you we represent And then

7995
04:52:12,130 --> 04:52:14,530
what did they say?

7996
04:52:17,690 --> 04:52:17,936
No, we don't want this.

7997
04:52:17,936 --> 04:52:18,236
A lot of people say no we

7998
04:52:18,236 --> 04:52:18,937
don't.

7999
04:52:18,937 --> 04:52:19,637
And you're like You know what?

8000
04:52:19,637 --> 04:52:20,338
In order to get the answer we

8001
04:52:20,338 --> 04:52:22,641
want we're going to have to go

8002
04:52:22,641 --> 04:52:23,276
above them But we're going to

8003
04:52:23,276 --> 04:52:23,942
make them believe that we

8004
04:52:23,942 --> 04:52:26,942
actually talk about them and

8005
04:52:27,913 --> 04:52:28,213
that we're doing this for them

8006
04:52:28,213 --> 04:52:30,213
.

8007
04:52:35,921 --> 04:52:36,655
So that's great and really

8008
04:52:36,655 --> 04:52:37,456
saying what you want to do in

8009
04:52:37,456 --> 04:52:40,192
all government I mean you know

8010
04:52:40,192 --> 04:52:40,858
all while you know our

8011
04:52:40,858 --> 04:52:41,527
governments are filled with

8012
04:52:41,527 --> 04:52:43,927
10,000 babies and you know,

8013
04:52:45,831 --> 04:52:49,431
make sure and starve them right

8014
04:52:53,439 --> 04:52:57,639
before they give you a blow job

8015
04:53:00,779 --> 04:53:04,379
8700 if you complete a new Oh,

8016
04:53:05,718 --> 04:53:06,184
thank you Joyce And the other

8017
04:53:06,184 --> 04:53:08,184
53 very quickly.

8018
04:53:11,757 --> 04:53:12,524
She was a great asset.

8019
04:53:12,524 --> 04:53:16,124
Snapdragon is a great asset and

8020
04:53:18,364 --> 04:53:18,697
I'm really excited about this

8021
04:53:18,697 --> 04:53:19,331
bridge.

8022
04:53:19,331 --> 04:53:20,320
I haven't been looking at

8023
04:53:20,320 --> 04:53:23,320
Snapdragon but once the bridge

8024
04:53:24,200 --> 04:53:24,703
is done I definitely plan on

8025
04:53:24,703 --> 04:53:25,404
going there and walking across

8026
04:53:25,404 --> 04:53:29,604
the bridge So I know you'll be

8027
04:53:30,276 --> 04:53:30,876
approving this and I support

8028
04:53:30,876 --> 04:53:31,343
you and thank you.

8029
04:53:31,343 --> 04:53:32,440
>> Thank you.

8030
04:53:32,440 --> 04:53:32,411
That concludes the comment for

8031
04:53:32,411 --> 04:53:34,411
this item.

8032
04:53:35,714 --> 04:53:36,315
All right.

8033
04:53:36,315 --> 04:53:37,490
Thank you, City Clerk.

8034
04:53:37,490 --> 04:53:37,616
And with that we'll turn over

8035
04:53:37,616 --> 04:53:37,982
to council members for

8036
04:53:37,982 --> 04:53:38,651
questions.

8037
04:53:38,651 --> 04:53:41,510
Comments Entertain a motion

8038
04:53:42,154 --> 04:53:42,988
We'll start We won't start.

8039
04:53:42,988 --> 04:53:45,988
We'll start with Council member

8040
04:53:47,259 --> 04:53:48,294
Kimball.

8041
04:53:48,294 --> 04:53:48,997
Oh, I just want to ask you guys

8042
04:53:48,997 --> 04:53:52,597
about traffic lights I do not

8043
04:53:53,165 --> 04:53:53,498
see in this drawing which is

8044
04:53:53,498 --> 04:53:54,166
lovely.

8045
04:53:54,166 --> 04:53:54,899
Any traffic lights at either

8046
04:53:54,899 --> 04:53:59,990
end of this bridge And I think

8047
04:53:59,639 --> 04:54:00,406
both ends are going to need it.

8048
04:54:00,406 --> 04:54:00,773
>> Is that going to be

8049
04:54:00,773 --> 04:54:02,773
included?

8050
04:54:04,744 --> 04:54:05,177
Thanks for the question,

8051
04:54:05,177 --> 04:54:05,845
Councilmember.

8052
04:54:05,845 --> 04:54:06,512
I'm actually going to defer

8053
04:54:06,512 --> 04:54:07,146
that to the engineering and

8054
04:54:07,146 --> 04:54:09,546
capital projects because I

8055
04:54:10,916 --> 04:54:11,484
don't know the answer to that.

8056
04:54:11,484 --> 04:54:11,851
I believe they're here

8057
04:54:11,851 --> 04:54:12,552
virtually.

8058
04:54:12,552 --> 04:54:15,552
Miriam, can you answer that

8059
04:54:22,628 --> 04:54:23,162
question?

8060
04:54:23,162 --> 04:54:23,896
>> Good afternoon.

8061
04:54:23,896 --> 04:54:24,563
This is Mary Moros, an engineer

8062
04:54:24,563 --> 04:54:26,963
with the Engineering Capital

8063
04:54:28,634 --> 04:54:29,669
Project department.

8064
04:54:29,669 --> 04:54:34,469
Would it be okay if I this to

8065
04:54:34,507 --> 04:54:35,208
ever ever ever It is with

8066
04:54:35,208 --> 04:54:35,908
the Transportation Department

8067
04:54:35,908 --> 04:54:40,460
So if you on the line can you

8068
04:54:40,460 --> 04:54:40,713
please unmute and enter

8069
04:54:40,713 --> 04:54:40,979
the councilmembers question?

8070
04:54:40,979 --> 04:54:41,447
Yes.

8071
04:54:41,447 --> 04:54:43,447
Good afternoon.

8072
04:54:45,651 --> 04:54:46,152
There will be traffic signals

8073
04:54:46,152 --> 04:54:46,653
at both ends.

8074
04:54:46,653 --> 04:54:47,520
>> Thank you.

8075
04:54:47,520 --> 04:54:48,655
In that case I'm all in favor

8076
04:54:48,655 --> 04:54:51,550
and I move stance

8077
04:54:54,794 --> 04:54:55,361
recommendation.

8078
04:54:55,361 --> 04:54:56,128
>> All right.

8079
04:54:56,128 --> 04:54:56,832
So we have a motion by

8080
04:54:56,832 --> 04:54:59,232
Councilmember Campbell to move

8081
04:55:01,634 --> 04:55:02,350
the staff recommendation.

8082
04:55:02,350 --> 04:55:02,735
Okay.

8083
04:55:02,735 --> 04:55:03,236
And Councilmember Foster will

8084
04:55:03,236 --> 04:55:05,236
second the motion.

8085
04:55:06,939 --> 04:55:07,606
The staff recommendation.

8086
04:55:07,606 --> 04:55:10,600
You know, apparently because

8087
04:55:13,646 --> 04:55:14,280
just in a mood that's couple

8088
04:55:14,280 --> 04:55:14,780
questions I hadn't really

8089
04:55:14,780 --> 04:55:15,415
thought about it.

8090
04:55:15,415 --> 04:55:18,984
I have a little bit harder

8091
04:55:18,984 --> 04:55:19,719
about the design of the branch

8092
04:55:19,719 --> 04:55:20,587
but that's not in front of us

8093
04:55:20,587 --> 04:55:24,787
today so I'll leave it at that.

8094
04:55:26,225 --> 04:55:26,893
The 92,000 reimbursing pretty I

8095
04:55:26,893 --> 04:55:29,893
understand that beauty is in

8096
04:55:30,330 --> 04:55:30,730
our bodies and so we have to be

8097
04:55:30,730 --> 04:55:31,364
made whole.

8098
04:55:31,364 --> 04:55:31,663
Where's the $92,000 coming

8099
04:55:31,663 --> 04:55:33,663
from?

8100
04:55:36,603 --> 04:55:37,303
It's coming from

8101
04:55:37,303 --> 04:55:39,303
the Transportation Department.

8102
04:55:41,941 --> 04:55:42,542
So 80,000 of that is from an

8103
04:55:42,542 --> 04:55:43,243
appraisal third party or

8104
04:55:43,243 --> 04:55:43,610
outside appraisal to encumber

8105
04:55:43,610 --> 04:55:44,277
the land.

8106
04:55:44,277 --> 04:55:47,877
And yes, it's the land, you

8107
04:55:47,981 --> 04:55:48,748
know, area above the riverbed.

8108
04:55:48,748 --> 04:55:51,748
The balance is reimbursement of

8109
04:55:53,787 --> 04:55:54,487
funds from transportation to

8110
04:55:54,487 --> 04:55:54,854
beauty for mitigation cost of

8111
04:55:54,854 --> 04:55:55,622
that land.

8112
04:55:55,622 --> 04:55:59,822
That was the work that was done

8113
04:56:00,694 --> 04:56:01,361
prior to this Right now why is

8114
04:56:01,361 --> 04:56:03,761
transportation doing that as

8115
04:56:05,398 --> 04:56:07,798
opposed to selling state?

8116
04:56:11,404 --> 04:56:12,390
Well, I guess what I one way to

8117
04:56:12,390 --> 04:56:12,739
answer is that the cost of

8118
04:56:12,739 --> 04:56:13,273
the bridge is over 50,000,053

8119
04:56:13,273 --> 04:56:15,673
million The city has

8120
04:56:17,611 --> 04:56:18,311
contributed a little over $8

8121
04:56:18,311 --> 04:56:19,120
million came from the proceeds

8122
04:56:19,120 --> 04:56:22,612
carve out from the proceeds of

8123
04:56:23,552 --> 04:56:27,152
the sale of the stadium site.

8124
04:56:27,954 --> 04:56:28,755
The balance then over close to

8125
04:56:28,755 --> 04:56:29,389
45 million is coming from sdsu

8126
04:56:29,389 --> 04:56:32,389
and the developers out of

8127
04:56:33,527 --> 04:56:33,859
impact fees for us dsu Mission

8128
04:56:33,859 --> 04:56:35,859
Valley.

8129
04:56:37,864 --> 04:56:38,565
So this particular 93,000

8130
04:56:38,565 --> 04:56:39,299
ultimately the Transportation

8131
04:56:39,299 --> 04:56:42,299
Department will be the managing

8132
04:56:44,838 --> 04:56:45,539
department for the asset.

8133
04:56:45,539 --> 04:56:47,939
>> They're making the payment

8134
04:56:49,176 --> 04:56:49,877
for that these days 93,000 is a

8135
04:56:49,877 --> 04:56:53,477
lot of money So maybe at

8136
04:56:55,149 --> 04:56:55,849
the 2022 amount you probably

8137
04:56:55,849 --> 04:56:56,483
talked about cost sharing

8138
04:56:56,483 --> 04:56:57,284
between the two entities.

8139
04:56:57,284 --> 04:57:00,990
I'm going to have to ask you to

8140
04:57:00,990 --> 04:57:01,922
go forward.

8141
04:57:01,922 --> 04:57:02,623
I think I'd like to defer if I

8142
04:57:02,623 --> 04:57:06,223
can to the city attorney note

8143
04:57:08,929 --> 04:57:09,605
that the mou contains that

8144
04:57:09,605 --> 04:57:10,297
senior Deputy City Attorney

8145
04:57:10,297 --> 04:57:13,297
Kevin raised the 2022 mou did

8146
04:57:15,402 --> 04:57:16,690
not specifically address

8147
04:57:16,690 --> 04:57:16,670
the issue that you're asking

8148
04:57:16,670 --> 04:57:19,700
about the payment from

8149
04:57:21,975 --> 04:57:22,409
the general fund to the water

8150
04:57:22,409 --> 04:57:22,743
Utility Fund.

8151
04:57:22,743 --> 04:57:24,743
>> Okay.

8152
04:57:28,382 --> 04:57:28,949
But I really did want to make a

8153
04:57:28,949 --> 04:57:29,583
big thing about that.

8154
04:57:29,583 --> 04:57:33,183
But so was there a policy

8155
04:57:33,286 --> 04:57:34,200
decision that we should that

8156
04:57:34,200 --> 04:57:34,755
transportation should take into

8157
04:57:34,755 --> 04:57:35,550
its minimal coffers and pay for

8158
04:57:35,550 --> 04:57:37,550
this?

8159
04:57:38,580 --> 04:57:42,258
I mean it's 93 out of like you

8160
04:57:43,831 --> 04:57:44,665
said a $50 million bridge.

8161
04:57:44,665 --> 04:57:48,865
I'm sorry I don't have a good

8162
04:57:50,537 --> 04:57:51,205
answer for you for that

8163
04:57:51,205 --> 04:57:51,872
Councilmember I can look at

8164
04:57:51,872 --> 04:57:52,506
the historical context here.

8165
04:57:52,506 --> 04:57:53,207
I work with Department of

8166
04:57:53,207 --> 04:57:55,607
Finance and Transportation and

8167
04:57:55,910 --> 04:57:56,610
her doctor and how much Chavez

8168
04:57:56,610 --> 04:57:57,311
and he'll have to come back

8169
04:57:57,311 --> 04:57:57,645
with response on the meeting.

8170
04:57:57,645 --> 04:57:59,645
>> Okay.

8171
04:58:01,649 --> 04:58:02,383
I didn't bring it up earlier so

8172
04:58:02,383 --> 04:58:05,983
I'll be otherwise in support of

8173
04:58:06,587 --> 04:58:07,255
this But I think an answer

8174
04:58:07,255 --> 04:58:07,955
about how that decision was

8175
04:58:07,955 --> 04:58:11,555
made maybe there is actually a

8176
04:58:13,995 --> 04:58:14,595
very good context with this

8177
04:58:14,595 --> 04:58:14,996
anyway so nobody else in

8178
04:58:14,996 --> 04:58:15,663
the lights.

8179
04:58:15,663 --> 04:58:18,865
We have a motion by council

8180
04:58:18,865 --> 04:58:19,433
member Campbell second by

8181
04:58:19,433 --> 04:58:21,433
Councilmember Foster.

8182
04:58:25,239 --> 04:58:25,740
Clerk Please call the roll a

8183
04:58:25,740 --> 04:58:27,740
surplus someplace.

8184
04:58:30,711 --> 04:58:33,111
Castro that passes unanimously

8185
04:58:37,685 --> 04:58:38,385
6 to 0 with a council member

8186
04:58:38,385 --> 04:58:39,860
people are very councilmember

8187
04:58:39,860 --> 04:58:41,486
competing council member over

8188
04:58:42,757 --> 04:58:43,524
upset Thank you All right Thank

8189
04:58:43,524 --> 04:58:43,958
you for the good work We'll get

8190
04:58:43,958 --> 04:58:44,325
back to you.

8191
04:58:44,325 --> 04:58:44,825
>> Okay.

8192
04:58:44,825 --> 04:58:46,825
I appreciate that.

8193
04:58:48,262 --> 04:58:49,130
All right.

8194
04:58:49,130 --> 04:58:49,764
We have two items coming up a

8195
04:58:49,764 --> 04:58:52,164
partnership with the city

8196
04:58:55,303 --> 04:58:55,803
council and the Facilities

8197
04:58:55,803 --> 04:58:56,537
Finance Authority.

8198
04:58:56,537 --> 04:58:59,537
So clerk, please introduce this

8199
04:59:00,540 --> 04:59:01,175
city council specific for

8200
04:59:01,175 --> 04:59:01,776
Public facilities Finance

8201
04:59:01,776 --> 04:59:02,210
Authority related items.

8202
04:59:02,210 --> 04:59:04,210
>> Thank you.

8203
04:59:05,312 --> 04:59:05,880
Council PRESIDENT Item 330 is

8204
04:59:05,880 --> 04:59:06,614
the authorization for

8205
04:59:06,614 --> 04:59:07,282
the Public Facilities Financing

8206
04:59:07,282 --> 04:59:10,882
Authority of the City of San

8207
04:59:11,486 --> 04:59:12,153
Diego Water Revenue Bonds Item

8208
04:59:12,153 --> 04:59:15,153
eight does require six votes

8209
04:59:15,657 --> 04:59:15,957
pursuant to Charter section 99

8210
04:59:15,957 --> 04:59:16,691
.

8211
04:59:16,691 --> 04:59:17,391
Item one is the Authorization

8212
04:59:17,391 --> 04:59:18,590
of Public Facilities Financing

8213
04:59:18,590 --> 04:59:21,529
Authority of the City of San

8214
04:59:21,529 --> 04:59:22,297
Diego Water Revenue bonds.

8215
04:59:22,297 --> 04:59:22,797
This item is not subject to

8216
04:59:22,797 --> 04:59:23,498
the mayor's veto.

8217
04:59:23,498 --> 04:59:24,165
If you'd like to speak on this

8218
04:59:24,165 --> 04:59:27,765
item now's the time to raise

8219
04:59:27,836 --> 04:59:28,503
your hand Starry night of

8220
04:59:28,503 --> 04:59:29,237
the raise your hand icon or

8221
04:59:29,237 --> 04:59:29,704
something Your speaker speakers

8222
04:59:29,704 --> 04:59:30,438
up to the front.

8223
04:59:30,438 --> 04:59:30,738
Thank you Council PRESIDENT All

8224
04:59:30,738 --> 04:59:31,105
right.

8225
04:59:31,105 --> 04:59:32,707
Thank you.

8226
04:59:32,707 --> 04:59:33,408
Please introduce yourselves for

8227
04:59:33,408 --> 04:59:37,608
the record and let us know how

8228
04:59:38,213 --> 04:59:39,180
much time you need and actually

8229
04:59:39,180 --> 04:59:42,780
before you start this item does

8230
04:59:43,510 --> 04:59:46,510
recall require six votes So

8231
04:59:50,191 --> 04:59:51,260
don't anybody go anywhere.

8232
04:59:51,260 --> 04:59:51,693
I'm not telling you how to vote

8233
04:59:51,693 --> 04:59:52,327
but it does require 60 votes

8234
04:59:52,327 --> 04:59:54,727
With that staff please

8235
04:59:55,530 --> 04:59:56,331
introduce all the record and

8236
04:59:56,331 --> 04:59:56,631
let us know how much time you

8237
04:59:56,631 --> 04:59:57,132
need.

8238
04:59:57,132 --> 04:59:57,833
>> Good afternoon.

8239
04:59:57,833 --> 05:00:00,233
Council PRESIDENT And members

8240
05:00:00,936 --> 05:00:01,503
of the Council Jose Manuel,

8241
05:00:01,503 --> 05:00:02,204
Assistant Director of

8242
05:00:02,204 --> 05:00:02,871
the Department of Finance And

8243
05:00:02,871 --> 05:00:03,605
presenting with me today are

8244
05:00:03,605 --> 05:00:06,605
Alison Falcon Stein finance and

8245
05:00:08,543 --> 05:00:09,211
Coordinator Gabriela montano

8246
05:00:09,211 --> 05:00:11,611
Torres finance handlers and

8247
05:00:14,782 --> 05:00:15,483
Brett Butler, the Chief Deputy

8248
05:00:15,483 --> 05:00:15,884
city attorney will need about

8249
05:00:15,884 --> 05:00:16,551
ten minutes.

8250
05:00:16,551 --> 05:00:16,852
All right when you're ready.

8251
05:00:16,852 --> 05:00:18,852
Okay.

8252
05:00:19,287 --> 05:00:19,988
Today we are seeking

8253
05:00:19,988 --> 05:00:20,588
authorization for the issuance

8254
05:00:20,588 --> 05:00:21,288
of the Public Facilities

8255
05:00:21,288 --> 05:00:24,288
Financing Authority of City of

8256
05:00:25,427 --> 05:00:26,128
San Diego Water Revenue bonds

8257
05:00:26,128 --> 05:00:29,728
as background what are you to

8258
05:00:30,933 --> 05:00:31,633
issue 70 bonds periodically to

8259
05:00:31,633 --> 05:00:32,334
finance ascap program At this

8260
05:00:32,334 --> 05:00:33,101
time the Department of Finance

8261
05:00:33,101 --> 05:00:36,701
has determined that there is an

8262
05:00:37,640 --> 05:00:38,306
opportunity to capture savings

8263
05:00:38,306 --> 05:00:38,940
by refunding or refinancing

8264
05:00:38,940 --> 05:00:40,940
certain outstanding water

8265
05:00:42,978 --> 05:00:43,645
revenue bonds currently to

8266
05:00:43,645 --> 05:00:46,645
series that were issued ten

8267
05:00:48,417 --> 05:00:49,151
years ago in 2016 are eligible

8268
05:00:49,151 --> 05:00:52,751
for funding and meet the city's

8269
05:00:54,156 --> 05:00:54,756
debt policy guidelines for

8270
05:00:54,756 --> 05:00:55,390
ongoing What is the ip?

8271
05:00:55,390 --> 05:00:56,125
The city issues commercial

8272
05:00:56,125 --> 05:00:59,725
paper to finance expenses on an

8273
05:01:00,362 --> 05:01:01,630
interim basis and between bond

8274
05:01:01,630 --> 05:01:01,596
issuances since we will be in

8275
05:01:01,596 --> 05:01:03,996
the bond market with

8276
05:01:06,467 --> 05:01:07,136
the refunding we are planning

8277
05:01:07,136 --> 05:01:07,636
to take out any outstanding

8278
05:01:07,636 --> 05:01:08,337
commercial paper.

8279
05:01:08,337 --> 05:01:11,874
At the same time we expect we

8280
05:01:11,874 --> 05:01:12,574
MAY reach up to 150 million in

8281
05:01:12,574 --> 05:01:14,974
expenses covered by commercial

8282
05:01:16,745 --> 05:01:17,379
paper by JUNE 2026 About 98% of

8283
05:01:17,379 --> 05:01:17,880
the funds will go towards

8284
05:01:17,880 --> 05:01:19,880
pipeline projects.

8285
05:01:22,518 --> 05:01:23,118
The proposed 2026 bonds will

8286
05:01:23,118 --> 05:01:23,752
pay down the outstanding

8287
05:01:23,752 --> 05:01:26,152
commercial paper and reset

8288
05:01:28,423 --> 05:01:29,124
the program capacity.

8289
05:01:29,124 --> 05:01:29,792
But that alternate 2000

8290
05:01:29,792 --> 05:01:32,792
The slide highlights the key

8291
05:01:33,395 --> 05:01:33,762
financing elements of the bond

8292
05:01:33,762 --> 05:01:34,496
issuance.

8293
05:01:34,496 --> 05:01:35,197
The issuer of the bonds will be

8294
05:01:35,197 --> 05:01:37,597
the Public Facility financing

8295
05:01:39,568 --> 05:01:39,867
Authority of the city of San

8296
05:01:39,867 --> 05:01:40,569
Diego.

8297
05:01:40,569 --> 05:01:41,236
The structure will be the same

8298
05:01:41,236 --> 05:01:44,236
legal structure as the prior

8299
05:01:44,940 --> 05:01:45,708
water revenue bonds.

8300
05:01:45,708 --> 05:01:46,307
The repayment sources for these

8301
05:01:46,307 --> 05:01:47,900
bonds will be net system

8302
05:01:47,900 --> 05:01:50,900
revenues at the Water Utility

8303
05:01:50,779 --> 05:01:51,647
Fund.

8304
05:01:51,647 --> 05:01:52,147
These bonds will be issued on a

8305
05:01:52,147 --> 05:01:52,848
tax exempt basis.

8306
05:01:52,848 --> 05:01:56,448
The final maturity of the new

8307
05:01:56,752 --> 05:01:57,453
money portion will be the usual

8308
05:01:57,453 --> 05:01:58,530
30 years and for the refunding

8309
05:01:58,530 --> 05:02:00,453
component we will match

8310
05:02:02,859 --> 05:02:03,559
the same existing maturities.

8311
05:02:03,559 --> 05:02:04,226
The ordinance will authorize

8312
05:02:04,226 --> 05:02:04,860
either senior or subordinate

8313
05:02:04,860 --> 05:02:07,860
leans and currently we are

8314
05:02:09,331 --> 05:02:10,320
anticipating these bonds to be

8315
05:02:10,320 --> 05:02:10,665
issued on the senior Lean and

8316
05:02:10,665 --> 05:02:13,665
these bonds will be issued

8317
05:02:15,710 --> 05:02:15,604
publicly via a negotiated sale.

8318
05:02:15,604 --> 05:02:16,272
The slide describes

8319
05:02:16,272 --> 05:02:19,272
the financing team that was

8320
05:02:20,843 --> 05:02:21,243
selected to support this

8321
05:02:21,243 --> 05:02:21,977
transaction.

8322
05:02:21,977 --> 05:02:22,678
The municipal advisor is Public

8323
05:02:22,678 --> 05:02:25,780
Resources Advisory Group which

8324
05:02:27,683 --> 05:02:28,170
was selected via a competitive

8325
05:02:28,170 --> 05:02:28,750
process.

8326
05:02:28,750 --> 05:02:31,750
The Bond and Disclosure Council

8327
05:02:32,688 --> 05:02:33,456
will be Hawkins Delafield and

8328
05:02:33,456 --> 05:02:34,900
Wood which is also selected to

8329
05:02:34,900 --> 05:02:34,823
be a competitive process.

8330
05:02:34,823 --> 05:02:38,361
The trustee an escrow agent is

8331
05:02:38,361 --> 05:02:39,161
us Bank Trust company.

8332
05:02:39,161 --> 05:02:39,829
They were also selected to be a

8333
05:02:39,829 --> 05:02:42,229
competitive process and they

8334
05:02:44,666 --> 05:02:45,368
serve as the Bond Council I'm

8335
05:02:45,368 --> 05:02:45,968
sorry the bond trustee for all

8336
05:02:45,968 --> 05:02:48,368
other bonds issued under

8337
05:02:49,272 --> 05:02:49,772
the same legal framework for

8338
05:02:49,772 --> 05:02:50,406
the underwriters.

8339
05:02:50,406 --> 05:02:51,106
The Department of Finance

8340
05:02:51,106 --> 05:02:54,706
issued an rfp in DECEMBER and

8341
05:02:55,578 --> 05:02:56,345
we received numerous proposals.

8342
05:02:56,345 --> 05:02:57,460
The selection and award process

8343
05:02:57,460 --> 05:03:00,646
is underway and we will seek

8344
05:03:01,450 --> 05:03:02,118
Council approval of

8345
05:03:02,118 --> 05:03:02,585
the selection in conjunction

8346
05:03:02,585 --> 05:03:03,186
with approval of

8347
05:03:03,186 --> 05:03:05,186
the preliminary official

8348
05:03:07,523 --> 05:03:08,257
statement in MAY for fiscal

8349
05:03:08,257 --> 05:03:10,657
considerations of the refunding

8350
05:03:13,429 --> 05:03:14,130
component depending on market

8351
05:03:14,130 --> 05:03:17,130
conditions we are aiming to

8352
05:03:17,533 --> 05:03:18,167
fully refund the 2016 and 2016

8353
05:03:18,167 --> 05:03:18,634
be water revenue bonds and

8354
05:03:18,634 --> 05:03:20,634
their entirety.

8355
05:03:23,390 --> 05:03:23,740
There are 307 million

8356
05:03:23,740 --> 05:03:24,440
outstanding between these two

8357
05:03:24,440 --> 05:03:25,174
bonds If all our estimates as

8358
05:03:25,174 --> 05:03:28,774
of JANUARY 21st and are subject

8359
05:03:29,120 --> 05:03:29,645
to change we estimate we will

8360
05:03:29,645 --> 05:03:30,280
save over $46 million for

8361
05:03:30,280 --> 05:03:33,280
the water utility fund and

8362
05:03:35,785 --> 05:03:36,419
the amount varies year to year

8363
05:03:36,419 --> 05:03:39,220
There will be more upfront

8364
05:03:39,220 --> 05:03:39,622
savings of 5 million per year

8365
05:03:39,622 --> 05:03:40,557
between 2027 to 2029.

8366
05:03:40,557 --> 05:03:43,557
Then it goes down to 2.7

8367
05:03:44,160 --> 05:03:44,694
million annually and then 0.3

8368
05:03:44,694 --> 05:03:46,694
million thereafter.

8369
05:03:48,431 --> 05:03:49,132
We estimate this will provide

8370
05:03:49,132 --> 05:03:49,799
30% net present value savings

8371
05:03:49,799 --> 05:03:52,799
overall for the new money

8372
05:03:55,672 --> 05:03:56,339
component it is anticipated to

8373
05:03:56,339 --> 05:03:56,873
provide 150 million in bond

8374
05:03:56,873 --> 05:03:59,273
proceeds to pay down

8375
05:04:02,120 --> 05:04:02,712
outstanding commercial paper

8376
05:04:02,712 --> 05:04:03,279
that we will issue for water

8377
05:04:03,279 --> 05:04:03,946
utility cip projects.

8378
05:04:03,946 --> 05:04:06,346
The following are estimates

8379
05:04:07,484 --> 05:04:08,218
based on rates as of JANUARY

8380
05:04:08,218 --> 05:04:11,755
21st and are subject to change.

8381
05:04:11,755 --> 05:04:12,455
The estimated interest cost is

8382
05:04:12,455 --> 05:04:14,855
4.23% and the estimated annual

8383
05:04:17,627 --> 05:04:18,228
debt service is as follows We

8384
05:04:18,228 --> 05:04:20,228
estimate 4.3 million in

8385
05:04:22,299 --> 05:04:23,320
the first year 2027 and 8.8

8386
05:04:23,320 --> 05:04:25,432
million average annual payments

8387
05:04:28,538 --> 05:04:29,239
thereafter For 30 years this

8388
05:04:29,239 --> 05:04:29,806
bond issuance is supported by

8389
05:04:29,806 --> 05:04:30,506
approved water rates.

8390
05:04:30,506 --> 05:04:34,106
The water utility has a debt

8391
05:04:35,312 --> 05:04:36,460
affordability test called

8392
05:04:36,460 --> 05:04:36,680
the additional bonds test which

8393
05:04:36,680 --> 05:04:37,280
we must pass before we can

8394
05:04:37,280 --> 05:04:40,280
enter into a new debt

8395
05:04:40,784 --> 05:04:41,585
obligation.

8396
05:04:41,585 --> 05:04:42,319
There are also requirements to

8397
05:04:42,319 --> 05:04:42,919
maintain or increase water rate

8398
05:04:42,919 --> 05:04:45,319
that level sufficient to

8399
05:04:47,657 --> 05:04:48,358
achieve minimum annual debt

8400
05:04:48,358 --> 05:04:48,959
coverage ratios for as long as

8401
05:04:48,959 --> 05:04:51,359
the debt is outstanding.

8402
05:04:52,262 --> 05:04:52,863
The coverage ratios require

8403
05:04:52,863 --> 05:04:53,630
the water utilities net

8404
05:04:53,630 --> 05:04:57,230
revenues to be at least 120% of

8405
05:04:58,670 --> 05:04:58,702
senior debt service and 110% of

8406
05:04:58,702 --> 05:04:59,303
water utilities Total debt

8407
05:04:59,303 --> 05:05:02,303
service for the life of

8408
05:05:03,340 --> 05:05:04,700
the debt.

8409
05:05:04,700 --> 05:05:04,707
The projected revenues from

8410
05:05:04,707 --> 05:05:05,342
the approved rate case through

8411
05:05:05,342 --> 05:05:07,742
2027 will allow the water

8412
05:05:09,279 --> 05:05:09,946
system to meet these covenants

8413
05:05:09,946 --> 05:05:10,513
but additional rate revenues

8414
05:05:10,513 --> 05:05:11,248
will be needed beyond

8415
05:05:11,248 --> 05:05:14,248
the approved rate increases due

8416
05:05:15,118 --> 05:05:15,685
to the ongoing capital program

8417
05:05:15,685 --> 05:05:16,420
and the operations and

8418
05:05:16,420 --> 05:05:18,820
maintenance costs which include

8419
05:05:20,857 --> 05:05:21,525
the cost of purchased water.

8420
05:05:21,525 --> 05:05:22,226
The level of rate increases

8421
05:05:22,226 --> 05:05:25,226
will be evaluated under future

8422
05:05:27,197 --> 05:05:27,965
cost of service studies.

8423
05:05:27,965 --> 05:05:28,632
The slide shows the anticipated

8424
05:05:28,632 --> 05:05:31,320
timeline, the ordinance and

8425
05:05:32,903 --> 05:05:33,604
companion item are being

8426
05:05:33,604 --> 05:05:34,504
presented to you today In MAY

8427
05:05:34,504 --> 05:05:38,104
we plan to bring the disclosure

8428
05:05:38,842 --> 05:05:39,510
document called the Preliminary

8429
05:05:39,510 --> 05:05:40,210
Official Statement for City

8430
05:05:40,210 --> 05:05:43,210
Council on Paper for approval

8431
05:05:44,114 --> 05:05:44,848
is expected to be printed and

8432
05:05:44,848 --> 05:05:45,548
distributed shortly thereafter.

8433
05:05:45,548 --> 05:05:46,216
We anticipate the bond sale to

8434
05:05:46,216 --> 05:05:49,816
occur in early JUNE and bond

8435
05:05:51,255 --> 05:05:52,189
closing two weeks after that.

8436
05:05:52,189 --> 05:05:52,823
And now I will turn it over to

8437
05:05:52,823 --> 05:05:55,223
Chief Deputy City Attorney

8438
05:05:57,260 --> 05:05:57,728
Brett Bortolotti to cover

8439
05:05:57,728 --> 05:05:58,950
the legal structure and legal

8440
05:05:58,950 --> 05:05:58,664
documents.

8441
05:05:58,664 --> 05:06:00,664
>> Thank you, Alison.

8442
05:06:02,833 --> 05:06:03,467
As discussed, these are revenue

8443
05:06:03,467 --> 05:06:04,340
bonds and the structure is

8444
05:06:04,340 --> 05:06:07,340
the same as prior bond

8445
05:06:09,473 --> 05:06:10,140
transactions involving the city

8446
05:06:10,140 --> 05:06:10,775
the corporation known as San

8447
05:06:10,775 --> 05:06:12,775
Diego Facilities Equipment

8448
05:06:15,246 --> 05:06:15,812
Leasing Corp and the authority

8449
05:06:15,812 --> 05:06:16,380
itself as the issuer.

8450
05:06:16,380 --> 05:06:18,780
The bonds are limited

8451
05:06:21,180 --> 05:06:21,752
obligations of the authority

8452
05:06:21,752 --> 05:06:22,419
and they'll be the debt service

8453
05:06:22,419 --> 05:06:26,190
will be repaid out of net

8454
05:06:26,457 --> 05:06:27,124
system revenues upper water

8455
05:06:27,124 --> 05:06:29,524
utility the legal documents

8456
05:06:33,197 --> 05:06:33,931
which you've seen before same

8457
05:06:33,931 --> 05:06:34,665
structure We have the indenture

8458
05:06:34,665 --> 05:06:35,299
the master installment purchase

8459
05:06:35,299 --> 05:06:37,299
agreement, the assignment

8460
05:06:39,170 --> 05:06:39,804
agreement, the continuing

8461
05:06:39,804 --> 05:06:40,537
disclosure certificate and

8462
05:06:40,537 --> 05:06:41,172
the bond purchase agreement all

8463
05:06:41,172 --> 05:06:44,172
described on the slide in

8464
05:06:45,476 --> 05:06:45,977
the materials previously in

8465
05:06:45,977 --> 05:06:46,644
the staff report.

8466
05:06:46,644 --> 05:06:47,377
I won't belabor the point If

8467
05:06:47,377 --> 05:06:47,945
you have any specific questions

8468
05:06:47,945 --> 05:06:50,345
happy to answer them.

8469
05:06:51,515 --> 05:06:52,182
However.

8470
05:06:52,182 --> 05:06:52,884
And then so with that

8471
05:06:52,884 --> 05:06:55,884
the authorization that we seek

8472
05:06:57,787 --> 05:06:58,489
today with the ordinance is

8473
05:06:58,489 --> 05:07:01,489
issuance of the water revenue

8474
05:07:02,559 --> 05:07:03,261
bonds and one or more series

8475
05:07:03,261 --> 05:07:04,280
the first being the new money

8476
05:07:04,280 --> 05:07:07,628
piece of up to $150 million and

8477
05:07:08,533 --> 05:07:09,233
then the authority to refund

8478
05:07:09,233 --> 05:07:09,901
certain water revenue bonds to

8479
05:07:09,901 --> 05:07:12,301
achieve debt service savings

8480
05:07:15,473 --> 05:07:16,740
also includes the operation to

8481
05:07:16,740 --> 05:07:16,674
execute certain related

8482
05:07:16,674 --> 05:07:18,674
financing documents and

8483
05:07:20,645 --> 05:07:21,379
authorize the cfo to establish

8484
05:07:21,379 --> 05:07:22,800
one or more special interest

8485
05:07:22,800 --> 05:07:22,613
bearing funds for the proceeds

8486
05:07:22,613 --> 05:07:25,130
of our issued bonds.

8487
05:07:25,616 --> 05:07:26,184
The second part b is

8488
05:07:26,184 --> 05:07:26,884
the authorization of a

8489
05:07:26,884 --> 05:07:28,884
reimbursement resolution that

8490
05:07:31,456 --> 05:07:32,156
just allows the city to for tax

8491
05:07:32,156 --> 05:07:35,156
reasons declare its intent to

8492
05:07:37,427 --> 05:07:38,163
reimburse itself for expenses

8493
05:07:38,163 --> 05:07:38,963
frontloaded with bond proceeds.

8494
05:07:38,963 --> 05:07:43,163
And so with that I'll turn it

8495
05:07:44,736 --> 05:07:45,169
back to Jose that complete our

8496
05:07:45,169 --> 05:07:45,837
presentation.

8497
05:07:45,837 --> 05:07:49,140
>> Please let us know if you

8498
05:07:49,140 --> 05:07:50,800
have any questions.

8499
05:07:50,800 --> 05:07:50,642
We also have Adam Jones from

8500
05:07:50,642 --> 05:07:51,276
Public Utilities available

8501
05:07:51,276 --> 05:07:51,643
online Should you have any

8502
05:07:51,643 --> 05:07:52,100
questions?

8503
05:07:52,100 --> 05:07:54,100
Thank you.

8504
05:07:55,880 --> 05:07:56,448
All right.

8505
05:07:56,448 --> 05:07:56,947
>> Thank you for

8506
05:07:56,947 --> 05:07:57,682
the presentation.

8507
05:07:57,682 --> 05:08:01,282
Please go to public comment And

8508
05:08:01,319 --> 05:08:01,920
we have no public comments

8509
05:08:01,920 --> 05:08:02,520
because here in council

8510
05:08:02,520 --> 05:08:04,920
chambers going to those

8511
05:08:05,256 --> 05:08:05,957
participating remotely we have

8512
05:08:05,957 --> 05:08:08,357
8700 and the original 8100 if

8513
05:08:12,640 --> 05:08:12,697
you can please on you city

8514
05:08:12,697 --> 05:08:15,970
clerk appointees would you

8515
05:08:17,402 --> 05:08:18,136
please not start my time?

8516
05:08:18,136 --> 05:08:18,937
I have a technical question

8517
05:08:18,937 --> 05:08:23,137
that okay we do have to start

8518
05:08:23,174 --> 05:08:23,942
your time.

8519
05:08:23,942 --> 05:08:24,643
I can definitely call you after

8520
05:08:24,643 --> 05:08:24,976
the meeting for any technical

8521
05:08:24,976 --> 05:08:25,544
issues.

8522
05:08:25,544 --> 05:08:29,144
No, no no no, no, no.

8523
05:08:30,150 --> 05:08:30,715
It has to do with this item and

8524
05:08:30,715 --> 05:08:31,416
how it's flowing and managing

8525
05:08:31,416 --> 05:08:35,160
the public comment And you can

8526
05:08:35,486 --> 05:08:36,254
speak on both items right now

8527
05:08:36,254 --> 05:08:37,122
item 330 an item for one if

8528
05:08:37,122 --> 05:08:40,722
you'd like to speak on both

8529
05:08:42,270 --> 05:08:46,227
items what would be the time of

8530
05:08:47,399 --> 05:08:47,899
allowed for minutes?

8531
05:08:47,899 --> 05:08:48,599
>> Okay.

8532
05:08:48,599 --> 05:08:48,967
Wasn't there a valid question?

8533
05:08:48,967 --> 05:08:50,967
Thank you.

8534
05:08:53,838 --> 05:08:54,639
Okay I know it's been a long

8535
05:08:54,639 --> 05:08:58,839
day but this is a very, very

8536
05:08:59,244 --> 05:09:00,450
important item and I'm looking

8537
05:09:00,450 --> 05:09:00,545
at it so I'll take whatever

8538
05:09:00,545 --> 05:09:02,945
time I can get.

8539
05:09:04,782 --> 05:09:05,117
I probably won't need four

8540
05:09:05,117 --> 05:09:05,950
minutes.

8541
05:09:05,950 --> 05:09:09,988
You you out a cd three water

8542
05:09:09,988 --> 05:09:10,688
revenue bonds The refunding of

8543
05:09:10,688 --> 05:09:13,688
bonds will provide net present

8544
05:09:19,798 --> 05:09:20,532
value savings of 13% equaling

8545
05:09:20,532 --> 05:09:20,966
46.4 million in total estimated

8546
05:09:20,966 --> 05:09:22,966
debt service.

8547
05:09:27,105 --> 05:09:28,730
My focus on the statutory

8548
05:09:28,730 --> 05:09:31,673
report I quote to finance or

8549
05:09:32,511 --> 05:09:33,145
refinance additional capital

8550
05:09:33,145 --> 05:09:35,545
improvements to the water

8551
05:09:39,510 --> 05:09:39,785
system the refunding of certain

8552
05:09:39,785 --> 05:09:42,185
outstanding water revenue bonds

8553
05:09:45,390 --> 05:09:46,125
to achieve debt savings debt

8554
05:09:46,125 --> 05:09:49,125
service savings provided by any

8555
05:09:51,363 --> 05:09:51,997
such refunding complies with

8556
05:09:51,997 --> 05:09:52,598
the city's debt policy and

8557
05:09:52,598 --> 05:09:54,998
the execution of related

8558
05:09:58,604 --> 05:10:01,400
financing documents and actions

8559
05:10:03,776 --> 05:10:04,743
and of quote Now what I did is

8560
05:10:04,743 --> 05:10:08,943
I looked at our San Diego debt

8561
05:10:09,381 --> 05:10:10,249
policy eight pages I believe we

8562
05:10:10,249 --> 05:10:13,849
have one that one updated on

8563
05:10:14,687 --> 05:10:17,687
JULY 28th 2025 I noted was

8564
05:10:20,590 --> 05:10:20,659
disclosure practice working

8565
05:10:20,659 --> 05:10:22,659
group disclosure control

8566
05:10:25,764 --> 05:10:26,632
procedures on over 12 articles

8567
05:10:26,632 --> 05:10:30,232
on that To me that included

8568
05:10:32,271 --> 05:10:32,972
policy newly issued me of

8569
05:10:32,972 --> 05:10:35,972
the oversight of these bond

8570
05:10:38,744 --> 05:10:39,478
items 108 pages and that kind

8571
05:10:39,478 --> 05:10:39,912
of the current update is pretty

8572
05:10:39,912 --> 05:10:41,912
darn terrific.

8573
05:10:44,350 --> 05:10:44,884
So I got a question from

8574
05:10:44,884 --> 05:10:45,551
the staff report on

8575
05:10:45,551 --> 05:10:47,951
the environmental impact to

8576
05:10:50,823 --> 05:10:51,290
this activity is not subject to

8577
05:10:51,290 --> 05:10:53,290
sequel silence.

8578
05:10:55,627 --> 05:10:56,228
So this is from the question

8579
05:10:56,228 --> 05:10:58,628
this activity related to

8580
05:11:01,400 --> 05:11:02,101
the pure water ip projects I

8581
05:11:02,101 --> 05:11:05,101
support your wide decision on

8582
05:11:07,206 --> 05:11:07,840
water revenue bonds and its

8583
05:11:07,840 --> 05:11:08,641
impact on our water reach.

8584
05:11:08,641 --> 05:11:12,241
Thank you so much for listening

8585
05:11:13,345 --> 05:11:13,913
with me and thank you for

8586
05:11:13,913 --> 05:11:15,913
answering my question.

8587
05:11:18,851 --> 05:11:19,252
I hope it was appropriate.

8588
05:11:19,252 --> 05:11:20,860
Thank you.

8589
05:11:20,860 --> 05:11:23,686
Next is the original course It

8590
05:11:25,658 --> 05:11:26,392
was because we get four minutes

8591
05:11:26,392 --> 05:11:26,993
That's why she was trying to be

8592
05:11:26,993 --> 05:11:27,360
hesitant to answer that

8593
05:11:27,360 --> 05:11:29,360
question.

8594
05:11:30,563 --> 05:11:31,430
Enjoy.

8595
05:11:31,430 --> 05:11:31,831
You got to pay attention to

8596
05:11:31,831 --> 05:11:32,565
the people.

8597
05:11:32,565 --> 05:11:33,265
They do things in order to make

8598
05:11:33,265 --> 05:11:36,503
you think you don't know what

8599
05:11:36,503 --> 05:11:37,336
you're talking about.

8600
05:11:37,336 --> 05:11:37,937
So yeah, it's interesting when

8601
05:11:37,937 --> 05:11:40,337
we're talking about debt

8602
05:11:43,643 --> 05:11:44,309
because you guys only put us in

8603
05:11:44,309 --> 05:11:47,909
debt and you act like we're

8604
05:11:48,648 --> 05:11:49,315
doing this even though

8605
05:11:49,315 --> 05:11:50,160
the people from their their

8606
05:11:50,160 --> 05:11:53,160
utility bills are paying this

8607
05:11:55,321 --> 05:11:55,955
back right into paying off

8608
05:11:55,955 --> 05:11:59,555
the globe and then you say

8609
05:12:01,361 --> 05:12:02,610
you're not going to raise

8610
05:12:02,610 --> 05:12:02,729
the rates even though you guys

8611
05:12:02,729 --> 05:12:05,129
continually raise the rates.

8612
05:12:07,000 --> 05:12:07,733
So pretty much anything and

8613
05:12:07,733 --> 05:12:08,434
everything you could I mean you

8614
05:12:08,434 --> 05:12:09,680
guys would taxes on everything

8615
05:12:09,680 --> 05:12:11,680
eventually that's probably

8616
05:12:14,207 --> 05:12:14,874
going to come But you know just

8617
05:12:14,874 --> 05:12:15,842
interesting to look like you

8618
05:12:15,842 --> 05:12:19,145
want to spin it in a way that

8619
05:12:19,145 --> 05:12:19,846
there's going to be some kind

8620
05:12:19,846 --> 05:12:20,513
of debt savings and that it's

8621
05:12:20,513 --> 05:12:22,913
somehow beneficial And then

8622
05:12:24,784 --> 05:12:25,518
when Joyce talking about

8623
05:12:25,518 --> 05:12:26,186
the pure water stuff, it's like

8624
05:12:26,186 --> 05:12:29,186
how many billions of dollars

8625
05:12:30,957 --> 05:12:31,725
are we going to spend on that?

8626
05:12:31,725 --> 05:12:32,460
You know, just curious to know

8627
05:12:32,460 --> 05:12:36,600
like where is this really going

8628
05:12:36,429 --> 05:12:36,863
when you guys are talking about

8629
05:12:36,863 --> 05:12:37,397
buying water?

8630
05:12:37,397 --> 05:12:38,431
We got to buy it.

8631
05:12:38,431 --> 05:12:42,631
Go buy it how to transfer and

8632
05:12:42,702 --> 05:12:43,303
then when we transfer it we

8633
05:12:43,303 --> 05:12:45,303
lose about 50 to 75%.

8634
05:12:48,541 --> 05:12:49,342
Doesn't really matter Like

8635
05:12:49,342 --> 05:12:50,430
we'll just buy some more but

8636
05:12:50,430 --> 05:12:50,509
then we'll also divert it out

8637
05:12:50,509 --> 05:12:50,810
into the ocean.

8638
05:12:50,810 --> 05:12:52,810
Right?

8639
05:12:54,800 --> 05:12:54,781
Because that's sustainable And

8640
05:12:54,781 --> 05:12:58,381
then we'll also make sure that

8641
05:13:00,420 --> 05:13:01,121
there is a fresh water or a

8642
05:13:01,121 --> 05:13:01,755
lithium mining along with air

8643
05:13:01,755 --> 05:13:03,755
datacentres because these

8644
05:13:06,226 --> 05:13:06,793
things are crucial to our

8645
05:13:06,793 --> 05:13:07,461
sustainability right?

8646
05:13:07,461 --> 05:13:11,610
And then it's like you know

8647
05:13:12,132 --> 05:13:12,932
when it comes to the people

8648
05:13:12,932 --> 05:13:13,334
what we're going to give you is

8649
05:13:13,334 --> 05:13:14,201
doing water.

8650
05:13:14,201 --> 05:13:17,801
And so I'm just wondering if

8651
05:13:18,171 --> 05:13:18,839
we're funding you know, like

8652
05:13:18,839 --> 05:13:19,639
what's this one thing really

8653
05:13:19,639 --> 05:13:23,239
Because I mean we could drill

8654
05:13:24,644 --> 05:13:25,312
for water.

8655
05:13:25,312 --> 05:13:28,815
People like to see the water

8656
05:13:28,815 --> 05:13:29,583
tables too low But come on, you

8657
05:13:29,583 --> 05:13:30,250
know it's one not when you guys

8658
05:13:30,250 --> 05:13:33,250
are wasting water like them.

8659
05:13:34,221 --> 05:13:34,922
That's the thing if you like

8660
05:13:34,922 --> 05:13:35,555
really were if we were really

8661
05:13:35,555 --> 05:13:38,555
having, you know, in dire

8662
05:13:40,560 --> 05:13:41,261
straits where we're like we

8663
05:13:41,261 --> 05:13:41,995
really have to get people back

8664
05:13:41,995 --> 05:13:42,696
to our own sewer Jamaicans make

8665
05:13:42,696 --> 05:13:46,200
them think it's good you know,

8666
05:13:46,200 --> 05:13:46,934
we're going to put all these

8667
05:13:46,934 --> 05:13:47,667
toxic chemicals in there and be

8668
05:13:47,667 --> 05:13:48,101
like We're not putting too much

8669
05:13:48,101 --> 05:13:48,735
lye in there.

8670
05:13:48,735 --> 05:13:51,104
I mean that does dissolve

8671
05:13:51,104 --> 05:13:51,572
bodies but it's not going to

8672
05:13:51,572 --> 05:13:53,572
dissolve yours.

8673
05:13:57,344 --> 05:13:58,178
Don't worry about it.

8674
05:13:58,178 --> 05:13:58,879
You know, don't you think that

8675
05:13:58,879 --> 05:14:01,879
you wouldn't waste water like

8676
05:14:02,749 --> 05:14:03,450
that like you know, sending it

8677
05:14:03,450 --> 05:14:04,118
from one place to another and

8678
05:14:04,118 --> 05:14:04,885
you know, purchasing it all

8679
05:14:04,885 --> 05:14:08,485
while you like release it into

8680
05:14:08,756 --> 05:14:09,623
the ocean?

8681
05:14:09,623 --> 05:14:10,257
I mean it's weird that you guys

8682
05:14:10,257 --> 05:14:10,990
want to highlight certain

8683
05:14:10,990 --> 05:14:14,590
things but like the things that

8684
05:14:14,962 --> 05:14:15,662
could really actually help

8685
05:14:15,662 --> 05:14:19,262
people and you know, give us

8686
05:14:20,934 --> 05:14:21,802
fresh water even you don't want

8687
05:14:21,802 --> 05:14:22,503
to do But anything that will be

8688
05:14:22,503 --> 05:14:23,137
like you know what we're going

8689
05:14:23,137 --> 05:14:26,440
to have to do is take more

8690
05:14:26,440 --> 05:14:27,308
money from the people You guys

8691
05:14:27,308 --> 05:14:27,841
are like and you guys jump on

8692
05:14:27,841 --> 05:14:30,241
that like why don't?

8693
05:14:33,647 --> 05:14:34,315
I mean it's crazy because it's

8694
05:14:34,315 --> 05:14:35,182
like good and people buy it.

8695
05:14:35,182 --> 05:14:39,382
I mean they just like Thank you

8696
05:14:39,420 --> 05:14:40,186
for this step.

8697
05:14:40,186 --> 05:14:40,654
Like it's crazy to like witness

8698
05:14:40,654 --> 05:14:42,654
all this stuff.

8699
05:14:46,127 --> 05:14:46,827
I mean it's like a comedy show

8700
05:14:46,827 --> 05:14:47,261
So I appreciate you guys like

8701
05:14:47,261 --> 05:14:49,261
all diamonds.

8702
05:14:51,799 --> 05:14:52,533
Do they like show their true

8703
05:14:52,533 --> 05:14:53,167
colors and then make sure that,

8704
05:14:53,167 --> 05:14:53,901
you know, they have to let

8705
05:14:53,901 --> 05:14:56,901
people know what they're doing?

8706
05:14:57,304 --> 05:14:57,938
I mean you guys do for this is

8707
05:14:57,938 --> 05:14:58,305
that you don't do anything

8708
05:14:58,305 --> 05:14:58,939
about it.

8709
05:14:58,939 --> 05:15:02,539
Would you sit there and be

8710
05:15:04,946 --> 05:15:05,579
like, Well we want to hear from

8711
05:15:05,579 --> 05:15:06,313
you But unfortunately, you

8712
05:15:06,313 --> 05:15:09,913
know, we didn't terms like it's

8713
05:15:10,685 --> 05:15:11,510
like well I mean we want to

8714
05:15:11,510 --> 05:15:11,752
help you.

8715
05:15:11,752 --> 05:15:12,420
>> We're not going to actually

8716
05:15:12,420 --> 05:15:13,870
go after the people that are

8717
05:15:13,870 --> 05:15:14,455
all over raising your taxes.

8718
05:15:14,455 --> 05:15:15,560
I mean it's just like

8719
05:15:15,560 --> 05:15:15,756
the doublespeak is off

8720
05:15:15,756 --> 05:15:16,457
the charts But I mean you guys

8721
05:15:16,457 --> 05:15:20,495
do a good job of moving people

8722
05:15:20,495 --> 05:15:21,328
And you know, I just would like

8723
05:15:21,328 --> 05:15:21,962
to know at some point I mean do

8724
05:15:21,962 --> 05:15:22,829
you guys get fresh water?

8725
05:15:22,829 --> 05:15:27,290
You just given us a I don't

8726
05:15:27,670 --> 05:15:27,835
know.

8727
05:15:27,835 --> 05:15:31,435
But yeah, this whole item both

8728
05:15:34,542 --> 05:15:35,242
of them So that concludes with

8729
05:15:35,242 --> 05:15:35,509
a comment on these items about

8730
05:15:35,509 --> 05:15:37,344
it.

8731
05:15:37,344 --> 05:15:37,979
>> All right.

8732
05:15:37,979 --> 05:15:38,712
We will take councilmember

8733
05:15:38,712 --> 05:15:41,712
questions and comments on both

8734
05:15:43,500 --> 05:15:43,751
items and then entertain a

8735
05:15:43,751 --> 05:15:47,351
motion by the City Council on

8736
05:15:48,722 --> 05:15:49,424
the staff recommendation and

8737
05:15:49,424 --> 05:15:49,757
we'll start with Councilmember

8738
05:15:49,757 --> 05:15:50,358
Foster.

8739
05:15:50,358 --> 05:15:50,958
Yes, Thank you, Council

8740
05:15:50,958 --> 05:15:53,358
PRESIDENT And thank you.

8741
05:15:55,296 --> 05:15:56,640
I'm staff for the presentation.

8742
05:15:56,640 --> 05:15:59,664
I will just simply move stance

8743
05:16:01,402 --> 05:16:01,803
recommendation Thank you.

8744
05:16:01,803 --> 05:16:02,503
All right.

8745
05:16:02,503 --> 05:16:03,171
Thank you Councilmember Foster

8746
05:16:03,171 --> 05:16:03,638
So emotional with the staff

8747
05:16:03,638 --> 05:16:05,173
recommendation.

8748
05:16:05,173 --> 05:16:08,443
Can I get a second Council

8749
05:16:08,443 --> 05:16:12,430
member Marina okay so we know

8750
05:16:14,948 --> 05:16:15,482
it's fine.

8751
05:16:15,482 --> 05:16:16,284
i'll say something.

8752
05:16:16,284 --> 05:16:19,587
So we do have a motion by

8753
05:16:19,587 --> 05:16:20,288
Councilmember Foster and a

8754
05:16:20,288 --> 05:16:20,989
second by COUNCILMAN Marino to

8755
05:16:20,989 --> 05:16:21,656
move the staff recommendation.

8756
05:16:21,656 --> 05:16:23,656
>> Councilmember Campbell, I

8757
05:16:25,460 --> 05:16:25,760
just want to say thank you so

8758
05:16:25,760 --> 05:16:26,527
much.

8759
05:16:26,527 --> 05:16:28,927
A 13% overall savings is

8760
05:16:30,398 --> 05:16:32,398
terrific.

8761
05:16:34,736 --> 05:16:35,370
The interest rate is low 4.23 I

8762
05:16:35,370 --> 05:16:36,370
assume this is lower than

8763
05:16:36,370 --> 05:16:39,370
before and that's why we're

8764
05:16:40,842 --> 05:16:41,142
doing this and or at least part

8765
05:16:41,142 --> 05:16:41,876
of it.

8766
05:16:41,876 --> 05:16:42,243
And I really you guys always

8767
05:16:42,243 --> 05:16:44,243
amaze me.

8768
05:16:46,881 --> 05:16:47,682
You come up with these great

8769
05:16:47,682 --> 05:16:48,383
ways to save us money and I

8770
05:16:48,383 --> 05:16:51,383
know you do really appreciate

8771
05:16:52,520 --> 05:16:53,254
that And we appreciate it too.

8772
05:16:53,254 --> 05:16:53,587
So I just want to tell you

8773
05:16:53,587 --> 05:16:54,220
Thanks.

8774
05:16:54,220 --> 05:16:54,388
I'm all right.

8775
05:16:54,388 --> 05:16:56,388
Thank you.

8776
05:16:58,493 --> 05:16:59,260
Councilmember Campbell.

8777
05:16:59,260 --> 05:16:59,995
Not for anyone else in life.

8778
05:16:59,995 --> 05:17:03,310
Again, we have a motion by

8779
05:17:03,310 --> 05:17:03,765
Councilmember Foster and a

8780
05:17:03,765 --> 05:17:06,165
second by Councilmember Moreno.

8781
05:17:15,109 --> 05:17:15,811
>> clerk please call the roll

8782
05:17:15,811 --> 05:17:16,477
that perfectly that honestly 6

8783
05:17:16,477 --> 05:17:19,477
to 0 with Council member Eli

8784
05:17:20,347 --> 05:17:21,150
Rivera Councilmember mpo and

8785
05:17:21,150 --> 05:17:21,616
Councilmember Yvonne Lippert

8786
05:17:21,616 --> 05:17:22,149
upset Thank you Council

8787
05:17:22,149 --> 05:17:22,851
PRESIDENT All right.

8788
05:17:22,851 --> 05:17:26,154
With that we will now adjourn

8789
05:17:26,154 --> 05:17:26,755
as the city council and convene

8790
05:17:26,755 --> 05:17:27,455
as the Public Facilities

8791
05:17:27,455 --> 05:17:30,455
Financing Authority to vote on

8792
05:17:31,960 --> 05:17:32,427
the public facilities financing

8793
05:17:32,427 --> 05:17:33,128
authority item.

8794
05:17:33,128 --> 05:17:36,640
Can I get your same motion,

8795
05:17:36,640 --> 05:17:36,799
Councilmember Foster You're

8796
05:17:36,799 --> 05:17:37,432
saying second COUNCILMAN Around

8797
05:17:37,432 --> 05:17:41,320
for item for one Not see

8798
05:17:42,437 --> 05:17:42,738
anybody else on the line to

8799
05:17:42,738 --> 05:17:43,372
speak?

8800
05:17:43,372 --> 05:17:43,739
Kirklees Clerk please call

8801
05:17:43,739 --> 05:17:44,406
the roll.

8802
05:17:44,406 --> 05:17:47,406
I'm sorry The voting system

8803
05:17:49,878 --> 05:17:52,878
please cast your vote that

8804
05:17:58,620 --> 05:17:59,288
passes unanimously with

8805
05:17:59,288 --> 05:17:59,888
Councilmember Rivera Council

8806
05:17:59,888 --> 05:18:00,622
Chair Campo and Council

8807
05:18:00,622 --> 05:18:01,189
rebuttal open absent Thank you.

8808
05:18:01,189 --> 05:18:02,570
Thank you.

8809
05:18:02,570 --> 05:18:02,724
We will now take up public

8810
05:18:02,724 --> 05:18:03,358
facilities Finance Authority

8811
05:18:03,358 --> 05:18:05,758
non agenda Public comment

8812
05:18:07,463 --> 05:18:08,163
The public Facilities Finance

8813
05:18:08,163 --> 05:18:08,864
Authority members respect and

8814
05:18:08,864 --> 05:18:09,498
appreciate the public support

8815
05:18:09,498 --> 05:18:12,498
and are fully committed to

8816
05:18:12,834 --> 05:18:13,402
protecting every participant's

8817
05:18:13,402 --> 05:18:14,103
free speech rights at

8818
05:18:14,103 --> 05:18:14,636
the Public Facilities Finance

8819
05:18:14,636 --> 05:18:16,636
Authority meetings.

8820
05:18:19,441 --> 05:18:19,908
Clerk Please proceed with

8821
05:18:19,908 --> 05:18:20,275
public comment.

8822
05:18:20,275 --> 05:18:20,911
Thank you.

8823
05:18:20,911 --> 05:18:21,576
Approval $2.7 in a public

8824
05:18:21,576 --> 05:18:23,445
comment It is an opportunity

8825
05:18:23,445 --> 05:18:24,146
for members of public to

8826
05:18:24,146 --> 05:18:24,680
comment on items that are not

8827
05:18:24,680 --> 05:18:25,414
on the agenda within

8828
05:18:25,414 --> 05:18:26,150
the subject matter jurisdiction

8829
05:18:26,150 --> 05:18:28,415
of the public facilities

8830
05:18:29,510 --> 05:18:29,718
financing Authority.

8831
05:18:29,718 --> 05:18:30,520
Each speaker will have two

8832
05:18:30,520 --> 05:18:30,753
minutes.

8833
05:18:30,753 --> 05:18:31,487
If you're in chambers you can

8834
05:18:31,487 --> 05:18:35,870
submit a speaker slip If you're

8835
05:18:35,124 --> 05:18:35,790
on line please be sure to start

8836
05:18:35,790 --> 05:18:36,492
press star nine or the raise

8837
05:18:36,492 --> 05:18:40,920
your hand icon Dave Collins If

8838
05:18:48,604 --> 05:18:49,405
you can please come forward If

8839
05:18:49,405 --> 05:18:53,605
if you can go to the higher

8840
05:18:54,677 --> 05:18:55,344
mike right there the higher

8841
05:18:55,344 --> 05:18:55,744
the higher microphone right

8842
05:18:55,744 --> 05:18:56,412
over there.

8843
05:18:56,412 --> 05:18:59,412
Just go to your right.

8844
05:19:02,918 --> 05:19:03,486
>> Yeah that Yeah.

8845
05:19:03,486 --> 05:19:05,486
>> All right.

8846
05:19:07,923 --> 05:19:09,923
All right.

8847
05:19:12,994 --> 05:19:15,394
The first responsibility of

8848
05:19:17,900 --> 05:19:18,267
government is to protect its

8849
05:19:18,267 --> 05:19:20,267
citizens.

8850
05:19:22,271 --> 05:19:26,471
I'm here today to tell you for

8851
05:19:27,910 --> 05:19:28,644
55 years this every city

8852
05:19:28,644 --> 05:19:31,644
council, every chief of police,

8853
05:19:34,250 --> 05:19:37,250
every mayor has not protected

8854
05:19:40,957 --> 05:19:43,957
the taxi drivers and Sally

8855
05:19:44,627 --> 05:19:45,594
Siegel and the 11 bus companies

8856
05:19:45,594 --> 05:19:49,198
used to be one call out There's

8857
05:19:49,198 --> 05:19:51,598
11 now there's 50 cab drivers

8858
05:19:54,570 --> 05:19:55,338
at two border crossings and

8859
05:19:55,338 --> 05:19:55,705
soon there will be three border

8860
05:19:55,705 --> 05:19:57,705
crossings.

8861
05:19:59,410 --> 05:19:59,742
Another one it'll take me to

8862
05:19:59,742 --> 05:20:00,108
the subject that I have before

8863
05:20:00,108 --> 05:20:02,108
you today.

8864
05:20:05,882 --> 05:20:06,215
They're called wildcatters in

8865
05:20:06,215 --> 05:20:06,949
Spanish.

8866
05:20:06,949 --> 05:20:09,949
It's right their rules what

8867
05:20:10,653 --> 05:20:14,853
they do is steal money by way

8868
05:20:15,925 --> 05:20:16,726
of taking our customers from

8869
05:20:16,726 --> 05:20:20,326
the taxes and from the 11 long

8870
05:20:21,230 --> 05:20:21,965
haul bus companies that go to

8871
05:20:21,965 --> 05:20:24,965
six different states The police

8872
05:20:26,469 --> 05:20:26,803
department knows about this

8873
05:20:26,803 --> 05:20:28,803
problem.

8874
05:20:31,774 --> 05:20:32,208
Some of you MAY know about this

8875
05:20:32,208 --> 05:20:32,942
problem.

8876
05:20:32,942 --> 05:20:33,610
>> I know Vivian Moreno knows

8877
05:20:33,610 --> 05:20:36,610
about this problem because I

8878
05:20:37,130 --> 05:20:40,613
talked to her chief of staff

8879
05:20:42,385 --> 05:20:43,190
and he instructed me don't go

8880
05:20:43,190 --> 05:20:46,619
to the city council, Go to

8881
05:20:46,856 --> 05:20:47,724
the mayor because it was my

8882
05:20:47,724 --> 05:20:48,570
idea Also I wanted to go to

8883
05:20:48,570 --> 05:20:48,725
the top.

8884
05:20:48,725 --> 05:20:52,325
I don't want to start with

8885
05:20:52,595 --> 05:20:53,162
committees and studies of

8886
05:20:53,162 --> 05:20:53,863
people at the bottom.

8887
05:20:53,863 --> 05:20:54,931
>> I wanted to go to the top.

8888
05:20:54,931 --> 05:20:57,834
He said, You know you go to

8889
05:20:57,834 --> 05:20:58,568
the top and you'll talk to an

8890
05:20:58,568 --> 05:21:02,168
assistant for the mayor which I

8891
05:21:03,720 --> 05:21:03,740
did Very nice lady.

8892
05:21:03,740 --> 05:21:04,307
She referred my problem to

8893
05:21:04,307 --> 05:21:06,307
the police department.

8894
05:21:07,544 --> 05:21:11,144
I got a phone call from

8895
05:21:13,950 --> 05:21:14,618
the police that I explained I

8896
05:21:14,618 --> 05:21:15,185
put your time letter Call me

8897
05:21:15,185 --> 05:21:17,585
about your time, sir.

8898
05:21:18,588 --> 05:21:19,256
>> That was two minutes.

8899
05:21:19,256 --> 05:21:19,923
Yeah, that was too much.

8900
05:21:19,923 --> 05:21:20,657
If you have the additional

8901
05:21:20,657 --> 05:21:21,224
comments we can definitely give

8902
05:21:21,224 --> 05:21:23,460
you a piece of paper.

8903
05:21:23,460 --> 05:21:24,327
You can write them down and we

8904
05:21:24,327 --> 05:21:24,994
can give them to the council.

8905
05:21:24,994 --> 05:21:25,462
But that does conclude your

8906
05:21:25,462 --> 05:21:26,163
time for today.

8907
05:21:26,163 --> 05:21:28,665
I could almost understand you.

8908
05:21:28,665 --> 05:21:29,499
I'm sorry.

8909
05:21:29,499 --> 05:21:30,200
We'll have my staff come talk

8910
05:21:30,200 --> 05:21:30,901
to you and give you a piece of

8911
05:21:30,901 --> 05:21:31,268
paper to give any more written

8912
05:21:31,268 --> 05:21:33,268
comments.

8913
05:21:33,503 --> 05:21:34,270
But I do have to be fair and

8914
05:21:34,270 --> 05:21:35,405
move on to the other callers.

8915
05:21:35,405 --> 05:21:39,500
Oh you got the mayor's office

8916
05:21:41,911 --> 05:21:42,613
right there going with an on

8917
05:21:42,613 --> 05:21:43,279
agenda public comment starting

8918
05:21:43,279 --> 05:21:46,879
with the original If you can

8919
05:21:50,420 --> 05:21:51,388
unmute you're saying that see

8920
05:21:51,388 --> 05:21:54,988
people come in and be treated

8921
05:21:56,293 --> 05:21:56,960
like the you know because like

8922
05:21:56,960 --> 05:21:57,661
the first time I went to any

8923
05:21:57,661 --> 05:22:01,231
kind of public meeting it was

8924
05:22:01,231 --> 05:22:02,650
like I thought I really did.

8925
05:22:02,650 --> 05:22:02,699
I was like I think that these

8926
05:22:02,699 --> 05:22:05,699
people are going to listen

8927
05:22:06,690 --> 05:22:06,837
because that's their job.

8928
05:22:06,837 --> 05:22:07,571
They're supposed to represent

8929
05:22:07,571 --> 05:22:11,171
the people and then you quickly

8930
05:22:11,508 --> 05:22:12,142
find out if you're paying

8931
05:22:12,142 --> 05:22:12,675
attention that that's not

8932
05:22:12,675 --> 05:22:14,675
what's taking place.

8933
05:22:15,612 --> 05:22:16,313
And it's really sad because

8934
05:22:16,313 --> 05:22:17,181
people are suffering and they

8935
05:22:17,181 --> 05:22:20,781
want help And when things get

8936
05:22:22,520 --> 05:22:22,686
implemented say like he's a

8937
05:22:22,686 --> 05:22:23,186
taxi driver then you have

8938
05:22:23,186 --> 05:22:23,887
things like Uber.

8939
05:22:23,887 --> 05:22:27,190
I'm not really sure what he's

8940
05:22:27,190 --> 05:22:27,857
talking about but you know when

8941
05:22:27,857 --> 05:22:28,659
you implement things and you

8942
05:22:28,659 --> 05:22:31,962
you push out you know people

8943
05:22:31,962 --> 05:22:32,730
that were doing something in

8944
05:22:32,730 --> 05:22:36,432
one way just like you know with

8945
05:22:36,432 --> 05:22:37,134
wanting to get rid of gas cards

8946
05:22:37,134 --> 05:22:37,801
you push out the people that

8947
05:22:37,801 --> 05:22:38,469
work on those and then you

8948
05:22:38,469 --> 05:22:41,539
bring in the people that do

8949
05:22:41,539 --> 05:22:42,239
electric type of stuff And you

8950
05:22:42,239 --> 05:22:45,839
just it's sad because you act

8951
05:22:46,276 --> 05:22:47,440
like you're doing benefit but

8952
05:22:47,440 --> 05:22:50,644
like it cancels itself out and

8953
05:22:51,480 --> 05:22:51,815
you know it's just interesting

8954
05:22:51,815 --> 05:22:56,150
to see that and to see how

8955
05:22:56,320 --> 05:22:56,787
people you know, really just

8956
05:22:56,787 --> 05:22:57,454
just want help.

8957
05:22:57,454 --> 05:22:58,155
I mean they really do They

8958
05:22:58,155 --> 05:23:01,910
think that you guys are going

8959
05:23:01,910 --> 05:23:01,725
to come in and listen to them

8960
05:23:01,725 --> 05:23:02,359
and it's like unless they

8961
05:23:02,359 --> 05:23:04,759
disagree with anything and

8962
05:23:06,130 --> 05:23:06,830
everything that you guys do,

8963
05:23:06,830 --> 05:23:10,430
you just you just shut them

8964
05:23:11,168 --> 05:23:11,869
down And it's sad because

8965
05:23:11,869 --> 05:23:14,869
there's you know, people have

8966
05:23:16,941 --> 05:23:17,241
tried for so long like.

8967
05:23:17,241 --> 05:23:17,942
Right.

8968
05:23:17,942 --> 05:23:20,377
It's it's just too unfortunate

8969
05:23:20,377 --> 05:23:21,178
And I'm just wondering at what

8970
05:23:21,178 --> 05:23:21,746
point are you guys going to

8971
05:23:21,746 --> 05:23:22,446
actually do something

8972
05:23:22,446 --> 05:23:24,846
beneficial Because again, with

8973
05:23:26,316 --> 05:23:26,884
all this water stuff I mean

8974
05:23:26,884 --> 05:23:29,284
there's fresh water in

8975
05:23:31,355 --> 05:23:32,560
the earth like our creator I

8976
05:23:32,560 --> 05:23:32,356
don't know which GOD you guys

8977
05:23:32,356 --> 05:23:33,190
serve.

8978
05:23:33,190 --> 05:23:36,790
It's very apparent it's not our

8979
05:23:37,261 --> 05:23:37,928
creator but you know there's an

8980
05:23:37,928 --> 05:23:40,928
abundant amount of water in

8981
05:23:41,465 --> 05:23:42,990
there and the fact that it is

8982
05:23:42,990 --> 05:23:42,767
something that is used to

8983
05:23:42,767 --> 05:23:45,767
control people is really sad

8984
05:23:46,236 --> 05:23:47,204
And the fact that you think

8985
05:23:47,204 --> 05:23:51,404
giving us our sewage back to us

8986
05:23:53,344 --> 05:23:57,544
we will to you guys next is

8987
05:23:58,249 --> 05:24:00,249
8700 If you continue.

8988
05:24:03,521 --> 05:24:04,255
Thank you, Jason.

8989
05:24:04,255 --> 05:24:07,855
Yeah, the three first of all

8990
05:24:08,590 --> 05:24:08,760
PRESIDENT LaCava more than ever

8991
05:24:08,760 --> 05:24:11,760
when you made your statement

8992
05:24:12,796 --> 05:24:13,498
about citizen participation

8993
05:24:13,498 --> 05:24:16,498
just really resonated with me.

8994
05:24:18,303 --> 05:24:19,700
Thank you so much And I felt

8995
05:24:19,700 --> 05:24:22,700
sincerity in that because that

8996
05:24:23,341 --> 05:24:23,841
really means a lot to me and I

8997
05:24:23,841 --> 05:24:26,241
thank you so much.

8998
05:24:28,146 --> 05:24:29,130
So here we go.

8999
05:24:29,130 --> 05:24:32,613
I don't trust the sd, cwa,

9000
05:24:32,983 --> 05:24:33,684
the San Diego County Water

9001
05:24:33,684 --> 05:24:36,840
Authority Systems and perhaps

9002
05:24:37,989 --> 05:24:39,989
their associated bodies.

9003
05:24:42,694 --> 05:24:43,661
Now what I did is I Googled sd

9004
05:24:43,661 --> 05:24:47,261
c w a and their involvement

9005
05:24:47,732 --> 05:24:49,732
with issuing bonds.

9006
05:24:51,870 --> 05:24:54,270
They have $1.7 billion in

9007
05:24:55,940 --> 05:24:56,607
outstanding long term debt,

9008
05:24:56,607 --> 05:24:57,800
financial vulnerability and

9009
05:24:57,800 --> 05:24:59,800
rising cost.

9010
05:25:01,579 --> 05:25:02,112
The taxpayer rather than just

9011
05:25:02,112 --> 05:25:02,580
the construction of

9012
05:25:02,580 --> 05:25:04,580
infrastructure.

9013
05:25:07,685 --> 05:25:08,420
Now I could speak a long time

9014
05:25:08,420 --> 05:25:08,620
on this.

9015
05:25:08,620 --> 05:25:11,355
I only read it once.

9016
05:25:11,355 --> 05:25:12,223
I need to go back.

9017
05:25:12,223 --> 05:25:15,827
But they looked at it and they

9018
05:25:15,827 --> 05:25:16,428
said that this is all based on

9019
05:25:16,428 --> 05:25:16,761
a positive and negative

9020
05:25:16,761 --> 05:25:18,761
context.

9021
05:25:19,931 --> 05:25:24,131
You could look at it two ways

9022
05:25:24,636 --> 05:25:25,436
One we would judge the f b c a

9023
05:25:25,436 --> 05:25:28,436
I found that just really

9024
05:25:29,407 --> 05:25:29,708
enlightening how you could do

9025
05:25:29,708 --> 05:25:31,708
that.

9026
05:25:34,450 --> 05:25:34,813
And I it just stunned me And I

9027
05:25:34,813 --> 05:25:38,490
have to go back and read that

9028
05:25:38,490 --> 05:25:38,783
whole thing because maybe I am

9029
05:25:38,783 --> 05:25:39,484
I'm not getting the context of

9030
05:25:39,484 --> 05:25:42,484
the full picture because some

9031
05:25:43,188 --> 05:25:43,889
of you council members maybe

9032
05:25:43,889 --> 05:25:46,889
all of you really understand

9033
05:25:48,693 --> 05:25:49,393
these pricing increases on

9034
05:25:49,393 --> 05:25:52,797
the water for us people and I

9035
05:25:52,797 --> 05:25:53,831
don't get it yet.

9036
05:25:53,831 --> 05:25:54,299
So I just want to thank you so

9037
05:25:54,299 --> 05:25:56,299
much for today.

9038
05:25:58,103 --> 05:25:58,737
Thank you for all you're doing

9039
05:25:58,737 --> 05:26:02,337
for water and for the bond

9040
05:26:02,574 --> 05:26:03,342
the water revenue bonds And

9041
05:26:03,342 --> 05:26:04,900
thank you for listening to me

9042
05:26:04,900 --> 05:26:04,642
and for considering some of

9043
05:26:04,642 --> 05:26:08,242
the things I think you be

9044
05:26:10,482 --> 05:26:11,115
including comment that does

9045
05:26:11,115 --> 05:26:11,583
include non agenda public

9046
05:26:11,583 --> 05:26:13,583
comment for fee.

9047
05:26:14,286 --> 05:26:14,987
All right we've closed public

9048
05:26:14,987 --> 05:26:15,454
comment I want to build on

9049
05:26:15,454 --> 05:26:17,454
Joyce thank you.

9050
05:26:19,324 --> 05:26:19,991
I want to thank Kevin Smith,

9051
05:26:19,991 --> 05:26:20,658
the city clerk's office for

9052
05:26:20,658 --> 05:26:24,258
taking the time to help that

9053
05:26:24,396 --> 05:26:25,630
gentleman Clearly a first time

9054
05:26:25,630 --> 05:26:25,664
visitor to council chambers

9055
05:26:25,664 --> 05:26:26,398
about how to fill out a

9056
05:26:26,398 --> 05:26:29,167
speaker's lap and then also a

9057
05:26:29,167 --> 05:26:29,902
thank you to code advisor who

9058
05:26:29,902 --> 05:26:33,502
has walked out with a gentleman

9059
05:26:33,538 --> 05:26:34,306
to hear more specifically about

9060
05:26:34,306 --> 05:26:34,906
the issues that he has and find

9061
05:26:34,906 --> 05:26:37,906
a way to help him.

9062
05:26:38,876 --> 05:26:39,578
So with that we will adjourn as

9063
05:26:39,578 --> 05:26:41,978
the Public Facilities Finance

9064
05:26:43,415 --> 05:26:43,916
Authority and reconvene as

9065
05:26:43,916 --> 05:26:44,616
the City Council.

9066
05:26:44,616 --> 05:26:45,284
And with that we will now

9067
05:26:45,284 --> 05:26:48,284
adjourn Council to the next

9068
05:26:48,520 --> 05:26:49,288
regularly scheduled council

9069
05:26:49,288 --> 05:26:52,288
meeting on Monday MARCH 2nd,