1 00:01:12,744 --> 00:01:14,744 Oh 2 00:02:07,232 --> 00:02:07,573 , I'm leaving 3 00:02:07,573 --> 00:02:08,133 . 4 00:02:08,133 --> 00:02:10,133 Mm hmm. 5 00:03:36,288 --> 00:03:36,590 Oh, well 6 00:03:36,590 --> 00:03:37,156 . 7 00:03:37,156 --> 00:03:39,156 Mm hmm. 8 00:03:41,961 --> 00:03:42,460 All right. 9 00:03:42,460 --> 00:03:44,460 >> Good morning. 10 00:03:46,766 --> 00:03:47,433 I will now call the city 11 00:03:47,433 --> 00:03:48,670 Council meeting of Tuesday, 12 00:03:48,670 --> 00:03:50,467 MARCH 3rd, 2026 to order. 13 00:03:51,638 --> 00:03:52,380 Clerk Please call the roll. 14 00:03:52,380 --> 00:03:52,671 Thank you. 15 00:03:52,671 --> 00:03:53,138 Council PRESIDENT Council 16 00:03:53,138 --> 00:03:55,138 Member Campbell. 17 00:03:56,509 --> 00:03:57,760 Council Member Whitburn or 18 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:57,777 Council Member Foster. 19 00:03:57,777 --> 00:04:00,177 Council Member Yvonne Wilpert. 20 00:04:02,810 --> 00:04:02,381 Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee 21 00:04:02,381 --> 00:04:03,490 here. 22 00:04:03,490 --> 00:04:05,449 Council Member Campos here. 23 00:04:05,885 --> 00:04:06,552 Council Member Moreno. 24 00:04:06,552 --> 00:04:06,886 Present Council Member Ella 25 00:04:06,886 --> 00:04:07,587 Rivera. 26 00:04:07,587 --> 00:04:09,987 And Council PRESIDENT LaCava. 27 00:04:10,489 --> 00:04:11,190 Present Also attending 28 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:11,858 the meeting our City Attorney 29 00:04:11,858 --> 00:04:12,558 Heather Ferber, independent 30 00:04:12,558 --> 00:04:14,958 budget analyst Charles Monica 31 00:04:15,595 --> 00:04:15,928 and myself for City Clerk Diana 32 00:04:15,928 --> 00:04:16,595 Fuentes. 33 00:04:16,595 --> 00:04:16,963 Thank you Council PRESIDENT. 34 00:04:16,963 --> 00:04:18,963 Thank you. 35 00:04:20,660 --> 00:04:20,833 Quorum is now present. 36 00:04:20,833 --> 00:04:21,500 We will begin this morning with 37 00:04:21,500 --> 00:04:22,234 the land acknowledgment and 38 00:04:22,234 --> 00:04:25,834 the Pledge of Allegiance led by 39 00:04:27,673 --> 00:04:30,673 Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee. 40 00:04:32,777 --> 00:04:33,446 Good morning. 41 00:04:33,446 --> 00:04:34,130 We respectfully acknowledge 42 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:36,413 the commune nation or 43 00:04:37,250 --> 00:04:37,950 the original inhabitants of 44 00:04:37,950 --> 00:04:38,317 the Unceded land now known as 45 00:04:38,317 --> 00:04:39,520 San Diego. 46 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,520 Despite enduring the horrors of 47 00:04:42,889 --> 00:04:43,489 genocide and colonization and 48 00:04:43,489 --> 00:04:43,990 the Cuzmy spirit remains 49 00:04:43,990 --> 00:04:44,590 unbroken, we honor 50 00:04:44,590 --> 00:04:46,990 the resilience of their 51 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:48,361 ancestors who fought to protect 52 00:04:48,361 --> 00:04:49,610 their culture and land. 53 00:04:49,610 --> 00:04:51,531 Today they carry their legacy 54 00:04:51,531 --> 00:04:52,231 forward ensuring that their 55 00:04:52,231 --> 00:04:52,865 traditions continue to thrive 56 00:04:52,865 --> 00:04:55,265 in gratitude and strength. 57 00:04:57,437 --> 00:04:58,103 We stand with the community 58 00:04:58,103 --> 00:04:58,771 nation connected to our past 59 00:04:58,771 --> 00:04:59,105 and committed to a thriving 60 00:04:59,105 --> 00:05:01,105 future. 61 00:05:02,541 --> 00:05:03,242 If you'll join me in facing 62 00:05:03,242 --> 00:05:06,842 the flag, where do you begin? 63 00:05:07,130 --> 00:05:07,779 I pledge allegiance to the flag 64 00:05:07,779 --> 00:05:11,379 United States of America and to 65 00:05:11,651 --> 00:05:12,352 the Republic which stands one 66 00:05:12,352 --> 00:05:14,530 nation under GOD, indivisible 67 00:05:14,530 --> 00:05:14,354 with liberty and justice for 68 00:05:14,354 --> 00:05:16,354 all. 69 00:05:19,826 --> 00:05:22,826 MADAM City Clerk, please go 70 00:05:24,530 --> 00:05:24,998 over how the public can offer 71 00:05:24,998 --> 00:05:25,431 their testimony. 72 00:05:25,431 --> 00:05:25,932 >> Thank you. 73 00:05:25,932 --> 00:05:26,666 Council PRESIDENT. 74 00:05:26,666 --> 00:05:28,935 I'd like to highlight the slide 75 00:05:28,935 --> 00:05:29,668 that's on the screen that does 76 00:05:29,668 --> 00:05:30,270 review how the public can offer 77 00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:30,970 their public testimony. 78 00:05:30,970 --> 00:05:31,671 During today's meeting please 79 00:05:31,671 --> 00:05:33,673 note the time allocations for 80 00:05:33,673 --> 00:05:34,240 proclamation and consent items 81 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:34,607 for meeting management 82 00:05:34,607 --> 00:05:36,607 purposes. 83 00:05:37,677 --> 00:05:38,410 One minute per item maximum of 84 00:05:38,410 --> 00:05:38,878 three minutes for three or more 85 00:05:38,878 --> 00:05:40,878 items are there. 86 00:05:42,282 --> 00:05:43,160 The order can be found on 87 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:43,616 the agenda Summary found online 88 00:05:43,616 --> 00:05:47,187 or at the back table in 89 00:05:47,187 --> 00:05:47,820 the back of the room If you are 90 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:48,488 in person please complete 91 00:05:48,488 --> 00:05:49,155 the speaker slip looking at 92 00:05:49,155 --> 00:05:49,756 the entrance of chambers and 93 00:05:49,756 --> 00:05:52,910 bring it to the front of 94 00:05:52,910 --> 00:05:52,692 the room in the clear box. 95 00:05:52,692 --> 00:05:53,426 Council ambassadors are 96 00:05:53,426 --> 00:05:56,426 available near the entrance and 97 00:05:56,696 --> 00:05:57,297 can assist with questions and 98 00:05:57,297 --> 00:05:57,964 speaker slips knowing no 99 00:05:57,964 --> 00:05:59,964 further in-person testimony 100 00:06:01,468 --> 00:06:02,102 will be taken once the council 101 00:06:02,102 --> 00:06:02,802 begins Virtual testimony. 102 00:06:02,802 --> 00:06:03,169 Thank you, Council PRESIDENT. 103 00:06:03,169 --> 00:06:03,703 All right. 104 00:06:03,703 --> 00:06:06,103 Thank you for that. 105 00:06:06,538 --> 00:06:07,400 We will now dispense with 106 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:07,640 the approval of 107 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:08,274 the proclamation items. 108 00:06:08,274 --> 00:06:08,941 Please introduce them and 109 00:06:08,941 --> 00:06:11,440 proceed with public comment. 110 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:11,778 Thank you. 111 00:06:11,778 --> 00:06:12,478 The public comment period for 112 00:06:12,478 --> 00:06:12,778 the proclamation items is now 113 00:06:12,778 --> 00:06:14,778 open. 114 00:06:15,114 --> 00:06:15,781 Each speaker will have one 115 00:06:15,781 --> 00:06:16,549 minute per item per person. 116 00:06:16,549 --> 00:06:20,530 If you would like to speak on 117 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:20,720 three or more items you'll have 118 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,388 a maximum of three minutes. 119 00:06:21,388 --> 00:06:23,788 The proclamation items being 120 00:06:23,990 --> 00:06:24,858 approved are items 30 and 31. 121 00:06:24,858 --> 00:06:28,458 Jacob Edwards if you can please 122 00:06:32,198 --> 00:06:34,598 come forward and you're 123 00:06:37,103 --> 00:06:37,604 speaking on item 30. 124 00:06:37,604 --> 00:06:39,604 Thank you. 125 00:06:41,641 --> 00:06:42,509 City Council. 126 00:06:42,509 --> 00:06:46,546 Thank you for the work you do 127 00:06:46,546 --> 00:06:47,147 for the city of San Diego. 128 00:06:47,147 --> 00:06:47,847 Senior Chief Deputy City 129 00:06:47,847 --> 00:06:50,847 Attorney Donna Adams Today is 130 00:06:51,418 --> 00:06:55,180 very important to the city of 131 00:06:55,655 --> 00:06:56,289 San Diego being that the city 132 00:06:56,289 --> 00:06:57,230 attorney's office is very 133 00:06:57,230 --> 00:07:00,623 important to the city of San 134 00:07:00,894 --> 00:07:01,561 Diego. 135 00:07:01,561 --> 00:07:04,561 With that, I'm standing in 136 00:07:05,732 --> 00:07:06,599 front of you today to encourage 137 00:07:06,599 --> 00:07:09,599 a lawsuit to the federal 138 00:07:11,370 --> 00:07:11,538 government by the city 139 00:07:11,538 --> 00:07:13,538 attorney's office. 140 00:07:15,474 --> 00:07:16,276 In doing so along with 141 00:07:16,276 --> 00:07:19,276 the federal lawsuit could come 142 00:07:19,946 --> 00:07:20,714 protection orders. 143 00:07:20,714 --> 00:07:23,714 It could protect city hall, 144 00:07:24,584 --> 00:07:27,584 the mayor's office, the police 145 00:07:29,122 --> 00:07:29,489 department witnesses and go far 146 00:07:29,489 --> 00:07:31,489 and wide. 147 00:07:33,293 --> 00:07:33,894 >> That would be standing up 148 00:07:33,894 --> 00:07:35,894 for us citizens. 149 00:07:38,865 --> 00:07:41,865 Our city and our country. 150 00:07:43,570 --> 00:07:44,272 >> I highly encourage you to 151 00:07:44,272 --> 00:07:44,938 encourage the city Attorney's 152 00:07:44,938 --> 00:07:45,439 office to thank you for that 153 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:47,439 concluding remark. 154 00:07:48,374 --> 00:07:49,750 >> Your time has concluded. 155 00:07:49,750 --> 00:07:49,409 Thank you for that concluding 156 00:07:49,409 --> 00:07:50,770 remark. 157 00:07:50,770 --> 00:07:50,610 I've started the you minute 158 00:07:50,610 --> 00:07:53,100 timer going to those 159 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,314 participating remotely. 160 00:07:54,314 --> 00:07:55,150 Please let me know which item 161 00:07:55,150 --> 00:07:59,215 or items you wish to speak to. 162 00:08:00,870 --> 00:08:01,188 Hector if you can please unmute 163 00:08:01,188 --> 00:08:04,788 I'd like to respond to what 164 00:08:05,558 --> 00:08:06,193 that guy was saying whatever 165 00:08:06,193 --> 00:08:09,793 thing he was on So you're 166 00:08:13,367 --> 00:08:14,340 speaking on just item 30. 167 00:08:14,340 --> 00:08:14,500 You'll have one minute. 168 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:15,168 Please proceed. 169 00:08:15,168 --> 00:08:15,602 Yeah, I think my Internet's 170 00:08:15,602 --> 00:08:17,602 kind of break. 171 00:08:18,304 --> 00:08:18,939 I'm like, Well I knew what that 172 00:08:18,939 --> 00:08:19,239 guy was talking about that 173 00:08:19,239 --> 00:08:21,239 item. 174 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:26,430 I think the city attorney 175 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:27,470 should list and deport all 176 00:08:27,470 --> 00:08:30,647 these guys and rapidly open up 177 00:08:31,317 --> 00:08:32,850 all the different places Now 178 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:35,850 that we have 75,000 guys on 179 00:08:37,958 --> 00:08:38,926 Medicare that the government 180 00:08:38,926 --> 00:08:40,160 knows about and captain to San 181 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:40,894 Diego of 75,000 people that are 182 00:08:40,894 --> 00:08:43,294 here illegally taking benefits. 183 00:08:44,998 --> 00:08:45,699 They should be the top of 184 00:08:45,699 --> 00:08:49,299 the list at the city attorney 185 00:08:49,636 --> 00:08:52,360 to protect us Most. 186 00:08:59,881 --> 00:09:03,481 Yeah yeah And and out in 187 00:09:04,984 --> 00:09:05,752 the last here we did a bunch of 188 00:09:05,752 --> 00:09:08,752 stuff we've been have of 189 00:09:09,456 --> 00:09:09,757 protective citizens of San 190 00:09:09,757 --> 00:09:11,757 Diego. 191 00:09:14,194 --> 00:09:14,795 Not the criminals not the guys 192 00:09:14,795 --> 00:09:15,261 and then the government 193 00:09:15,261 --> 00:09:17,261 the state guys. 194 00:09:18,665 --> 00:09:19,466 Those guys got to go. 195 00:09:19,466 --> 00:09:22,466 So hopefully the city attorney 196 00:09:23,504 --> 00:09:23,771 will proclaim Ice Day every 197 00:09:23,771 --> 00:09:24,438 day. 198 00:09:24,438 --> 00:09:26,838 >> Your time has concluded. 199 00:09:27,574 --> 00:09:28,274 Moving on to Michael Schmidt If 200 00:09:28,274 --> 00:09:29,142 you can please let me know 201 00:09:29,142 --> 00:09:32,646 which item or items you wish to 202 00:09:32,646 --> 00:09:33,380 speak to. 203 00:09:33,380 --> 00:09:35,380 >> Good morning everyone. 204 00:09:41,322 --> 00:09:41,989 My lovely friends on Santa I'm 205 00:09:41,989 --> 00:09:42,489 speaking to one on one. 206 00:09:42,489 --> 00:09:44,489 One on one. 207 00:09:46,590 --> 00:09:46,827 Is it worth doing proclamation 208 00:09:46,827 --> 00:09:47,428 Just 30 and 31 right now? 209 00:09:47,428 --> 00:09:49,428 >> Oh you are. 210 00:09:50,731 --> 00:09:51,131 I'm thinking of the consensus. 211 00:09:51,131 --> 00:09:51,899 >> Okay. 212 00:09:51,899 --> 00:09:52,232 We'll come back to you during 213 00:09:52,232 --> 00:09:52,599 consent. 214 00:09:52,599 --> 00:09:54,599 Thank you. 215 00:09:55,703 --> 00:09:56,370 That does conclude public 216 00:09:56,370 --> 00:09:56,937 comment on the proclamation. 217 00:09:56,937 --> 00:09:57,304 >> Thank you, Council 218 00:09:57,304 --> 00:09:57,671 PRESIDENT. 219 00:09:57,671 --> 00:09:59,671 All right. 220 00:10:00,708 --> 00:10:01,475 Thank you. 221 00:10:01,475 --> 00:10:02,142 City Clerk We'll turn it over 222 00:10:02,142 --> 00:10:04,542 to council members questions 223 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:05,945 and comments and entertain a 224 00:10:05,945 --> 00:10:06,546 motion and we'll start with 225 00:10:06,546 --> 00:10:06,913 Council member Whitburn. 226 00:10:06,913 --> 00:10:08,913 Thank you. 227 00:10:10,484 --> 00:10:11,850 Council PRESIDENT I am pleased 228 00:10:11,850 --> 00:10:11,785 to bring forward item 31 229 00:10:11,785 --> 00:10:14,185 proclaiming APRIL 25th as 230 00:10:15,556 --> 00:10:16,257 Soroptimist International of 231 00:10:16,257 --> 00:10:17,240 San Diego Day in the city of 232 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,424 San Diego for 95 years 233 00:10:20,528 --> 00:10:21,228 Soroptimist International of 234 00:10:21,228 --> 00:10:21,962 San Diego has been a powerful 235 00:10:21,962 --> 00:10:24,362 force for expanding opportunity 236 00:10:25,833 --> 00:10:26,467 and economic independence for 237 00:10:26,467 --> 00:10:27,134 women and girls across our 238 00:10:27,134 --> 00:10:29,534 community through their Live 239 00:10:30,171 --> 00:10:30,805 Your Dream Awards. 240 00:10:30,805 --> 00:10:31,472 Soroptimist International 241 00:10:31,472 --> 00:10:33,472 provides critical financial 242 00:10:34,308 --> 00:10:35,900 support to women who are their 243 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:35,643 primary breadwinners for their 244 00:10:35,643 --> 00:10:36,310 families, helping them to 245 00:10:36,310 --> 00:10:38,710 access education and career 246 00:10:40,810 --> 00:10:40,747 training that transforms 247 00:10:40,747 --> 00:10:43,147 people's lives through their 248 00:10:44,352 --> 00:10:45,180 dream It be it a program local 249 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:45,720 girls receive mentorship and 250 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,120 encouragement to pursue their 251 00:10:49,223 --> 00:10:49,790 educational and professional 252 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:50,458 goals with confidence 253 00:10:50,458 --> 00:10:51,125 Soroptimist International of 254 00:10:51,125 --> 00:10:54,125 San Diego also partners with 255 00:10:54,729 --> 00:10:55,462 organized and serving survivors 256 00:10:55,462 --> 00:10:58,462 of sex trafficking and domestic 257 00:10:59,100 --> 00:10:59,767 violence ensuring that women 258 00:10:59,767 --> 00:11:00,401 have access to the resources 259 00:11:00,401 --> 00:11:03,401 they need to rebuild their 260 00:11:04,639 --> 00:11:04,939 lives in a safe and dignified 261 00:11:04,939 --> 00:11:05,640 way. 262 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:06,340 We appreciate their continued 263 00:11:06,340 --> 00:11:08,740 commitment to empowering women 264 00:11:11,312 --> 00:11:12,130 and girls in our city to and 265 00:11:12,130 --> 00:11:13,814 Lady Judy Lawton is with us 266 00:11:13,814 --> 00:11:14,348 from Soroptimist International 267 00:11:14,348 --> 00:11:15,149 of San Diego. 268 00:11:15,149 --> 00:11:15,849 I'd like to invite her to come 269 00:11:15,849 --> 00:11:18,785 up to the podium and thank you 270 00:11:18,785 --> 00:11:19,487 very much for being here and 271 00:11:19,487 --> 00:11:19,954 please share a few words with 272 00:11:19,954 --> 00:11:20,388 us this morning. 273 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:22,388 What an honor. 274 00:11:23,725 --> 00:11:24,158 Thank you so much. 275 00:11:24,158 --> 00:11:24,859 Good morning. 276 00:11:24,859 --> 00:11:25,193 Council PRESIDENT And council 277 00:11:25,193 --> 00:11:27,193 members. 278 00:11:28,763 --> 00:11:29,663 My name is Judy Ludden and I'm 279 00:11:29,663 --> 00:11:30,231 a proud to be a 45 plus year 280 00:11:30,231 --> 00:11:32,231 member of Soroptimist 281 00:11:33,668 --> 00:11:34,235 International of San Diego and 282 00:11:34,235 --> 00:11:34,836 the chair of our 95th 283 00:11:34,836 --> 00:11:35,503 anniversary celebration. 284 00:11:35,503 --> 00:11:38,503 I'm here today to recognize 285 00:11:38,773 --> 00:11:41,709 this remarkable milestone as we 286 00:11:41,709 --> 00:11:42,443 will celebrating on Saturday 287 00:11:42,443 --> 00:11:43,770 MARCH 7th at the Bankers Hill 288 00:11:43,770 --> 00:11:46,770 Club for nearly a century. 289 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:47,749 Soroptimist has been dedicated 290 00:11:47,749 --> 00:11:48,416 to empowering women and girls 291 00:11:48,416 --> 00:11:50,816 throughout our community by 292 00:11:51,552 --> 00:11:52,153 providing access to education, 293 00:11:52,153 --> 00:11:54,153 mentorship and financial 294 00:11:56,290 --> 00:11:56,957 support, helping them achieve 295 00:11:56,957 --> 00:11:57,625 economic independence, build 296 00:11:57,625 --> 00:12:00,250 back better, build brighter 297 00:12:00,995 --> 00:12:01,829 futures. 298 00:12:01,829 --> 00:12:02,530 Reaching 95 years of service is 299 00:12:02,530 --> 00:12:05,530 a testament to the dedication 300 00:12:06,234 --> 00:12:06,801 of generations of volunteers 301 00:12:06,801 --> 00:12:07,535 committed to improving 302 00:12:07,535 --> 00:12:11,105 the lives of girls and women in 303 00:12:11,105 --> 00:12:12,730 San Diego County. 304 00:12:12,730 --> 00:12:12,774 It is truly an honor to lead 305 00:12:12,774 --> 00:12:15,774 the celebration of our legacy 306 00:12:16,277 --> 00:12:16,644 and continue impact. 307 00:12:16,644 --> 00:12:17,450 Thank you. 308 00:12:17,450 --> 00:12:19,450 Thank you. 309 00:12:20,247 --> 00:12:20,815 And we look forward to APRIL 310 00:12:20,815 --> 00:12:21,516 25th being Soroptimist 311 00:12:21,516 --> 00:12:22,150 International of San Diego Day 312 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:25,385 in the city of San Diego. 313 00:12:25,385 --> 00:12:25,987 And with that I am happy to 314 00:12:25,987 --> 00:12:26,354 move the proclamations. 315 00:12:26,354 --> 00:12:26,821 All right. 316 00:12:26,821 --> 00:12:28,821 Thank you, sir. 317 00:12:29,857 --> 00:12:30,525 So we have a motion by 318 00:12:30,525 --> 00:12:31,225 COUNCILMAN Whitburn to move. 319 00:12:31,225 --> 00:12:31,826 The proclamation will go next 320 00:12:31,826 --> 00:12:34,226 to council member Vaughn 321 00:12:34,295 --> 00:12:35,290 Wolpert. 322 00:12:35,290 --> 00:12:35,363 Thank you Council PRESIDENT For 323 00:12:35,363 --> 00:12:36,298 item 31. 324 00:12:36,298 --> 00:12:38,665 I also want to take a moment to 325 00:12:38,665 --> 00:12:39,367 recognize Soroptimist 326 00:12:39,367 --> 00:12:40,340 International in San Diego for 327 00:12:40,340 --> 00:12:40,735 the extraordinary work that 328 00:12:40,735 --> 00:12:41,350 you've done in our city for 95 329 00:12:41,350 --> 00:12:43,350 years. 330 00:12:43,704 --> 00:12:44,405 It's also wonderful that it 331 00:12:44,405 --> 00:12:45,730 marches Women's History Month 332 00:12:45,730 --> 00:12:49,110 as well And so thank you for 333 00:12:49,110 --> 00:12:49,777 all the work especially you do 334 00:12:49,777 --> 00:12:50,445 around helping survivors of 335 00:12:50,445 --> 00:12:53,347 domestic violence get out of 336 00:12:53,347 --> 00:12:54,115 those situations so they can 337 00:12:54,115 --> 00:12:54,483 then be empowered to lead their 338 00:12:54,483 --> 00:12:55,283 own lives. 339 00:12:55,283 --> 00:12:58,787 And I know in District five in 340 00:12:58,787 --> 00:12:59,421 my particular community in 341 00:12:59,421 --> 00:13:00,121 Rancho Bernardo and Pena's 342 00:13:00,121 --> 00:13:00,821 career so hard to Soroptimist 343 00:13:00,821 --> 00:13:02,824 work So thank you for all that 344 00:13:02,824 --> 00:13:03,792 you do. 345 00:13:03,792 --> 00:13:07,195 I am also honored to bring 346 00:13:07,195 --> 00:13:07,929 forth on item 30 to join our 347 00:13:07,929 --> 00:13:10,929 city attorney Heather Ferber to 348 00:13:11,666 --> 00:13:12,300 recognize Senor Chief Deputy 349 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:12,967 City Attorney Dana Adams. 350 00:13:12,967 --> 00:13:15,967 I cannot believe that Danny, 351 00:13:16,705 --> 00:13:17,720 you are already time to leave 352 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:17,939 our city. 353 00:13:17,939 --> 00:13:21,342 I hope you can come back as 354 00:13:21,342 --> 00:13:22,430 original but more For more than 355 00:13:22,430 --> 00:13:22,610 28 years, Diana has dedicated 356 00:13:22,610 --> 00:13:23,278 her career to serving 357 00:13:23,278 --> 00:13:25,714 the people of San Diego with 358 00:13:25,714 --> 00:13:26,314 integrity, professionalism and 359 00:13:26,314 --> 00:13:26,648 unwavering commitment to 360 00:13:26,648 --> 00:13:28,648 justice. 361 00:13:29,617 --> 00:13:30,352 A San Diego native like me, 362 00:13:30,352 --> 00:13:31,190 Dana built her an extraordinary 363 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:34,190 career rooted in service for 364 00:13:34,689 --> 00:13:35,323 the United States Navy judge 365 00:13:35,323 --> 00:13:36,570 advocate general Corps to 366 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:38,457 United States Attorney's Office 367 00:13:39,494 --> 00:13:40,228 and ultimately to the city's 368 00:13:40,228 --> 00:13:43,228 attorney's office where she has 369 00:13:43,298 --> 00:13:44,650 made a lasting impact since 370 00:13:44,650 --> 00:13:44,766 joining the city in 1997, she 371 00:13:44,766 --> 00:13:47,166 has handled more than 1300 372 00:13:47,902 --> 00:13:48,536 hearings, 400 depositions, 14 373 00:13:48,536 --> 00:13:49,271 trials and seven appeals. 374 00:13:49,271 --> 00:13:52,271 Those numbers reflect not only 375 00:13:52,874 --> 00:13:53,441 expertise but tireless 376 00:13:53,441 --> 00:13:53,975 preparation and steady 377 00:13:53,975 --> 00:13:55,975 leadership and deep 378 00:13:57,178 --> 00:13:57,745 institutional knowledge as 379 00:13:57,745 --> 00:13:58,413 chief of our Workers 380 00:13:58,413 --> 00:13:58,980 Compensation unit, Diana led 381 00:13:58,980 --> 00:14:01,380 with both strength and 382 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:02,517 compassion. 383 00:14:02,517 --> 00:14:03,218 She mentored 11 attorneys, 384 00:14:03,218 --> 00:14:05,618 foster collaboration with our 385 00:14:06,755 --> 00:14:07,421 risk management division and 386 00:14:07,421 --> 00:14:08,123 worked diligently to ensure 387 00:14:08,123 --> 00:14:08,823 city employees receive timely 388 00:14:08,823 --> 00:14:11,593 access to benefits and medical 389 00:14:11,593 --> 00:14:12,327 care During the covid 19 390 00:14:12,327 --> 00:14:12,894 pandemic, she played a key role 391 00:14:12,894 --> 00:14:14,894 in advancing critical 392 00:14:16,970 --> 00:14:16,798 presumptions to protect our 393 00:14:16,798 --> 00:14:19,198 safety, protect our officers, 394 00:14:21,770 --> 00:14:22,537 lifeguards and firefighters. 395 00:14:22,537 --> 00:14:23,271 Danny's career is defined not 396 00:14:23,271 --> 00:14:25,506 just by legal excellence but by 397 00:14:25,506 --> 00:14:26,141 her commitment to the people 398 00:14:26,141 --> 00:14:26,775 she worked alongside and 399 00:14:26,775 --> 00:14:27,476 the employees she served. 400 00:14:27,476 --> 00:14:30,779 On behalf of the city Council 401 00:14:30,779 --> 00:14:31,480 and residents of San Diego, I 402 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:32,147 want to thank you so much for 403 00:14:32,147 --> 00:14:32,814 your decades of service not 404 00:14:32,814 --> 00:14:36,840 only to our city but to our 405 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:36,818 nation as well. 406 00:14:36,818 --> 00:14:37,519 And it's my privilege to be 407 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:38,220 able to join our city attorney 408 00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:40,620 Heather Ferber in proclaiming 409 00:14:41,790 --> 00:14:42,424 MARCH third, 2026 as senior 410 00:14:42,424 --> 00:14:43,158 Chief Deputy City Attorney 411 00:14:43,158 --> 00:14:44,250 Danny Adams Day The city of San 412 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:44,893 Diego. 413 00:14:44,893 --> 00:14:49,930 Dan, you want to come up and 414 00:14:53,835 --> 00:14:54,435 say a few words So I want to 415 00:14:54,435 --> 00:14:57,435 say thank you so much. 416 00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:58,707 >> It's been a pleasure and an 417 00:14:58,707 --> 00:14:59,700 honor serving the city of San 418 00:14:59,700 --> 00:14:59,674 Diego. 419 00:14:59,674 --> 00:15:02,674 We have the ability to 420 00:15:03,645 --> 00:15:04,379 collaborate with our 421 00:15:04,379 --> 00:15:05,130 colleagues, take responsibility 422 00:15:05,130 --> 00:15:08,517 for our own cases and most 423 00:15:08,517 --> 00:15:08,817 importantly to do the right 424 00:15:08,817 --> 00:15:09,551 thing. 425 00:15:09,551 --> 00:15:10,218 And I have really enjoyed being 426 00:15:10,218 --> 00:15:13,421 in the workers comp unit and 427 00:15:13,421 --> 00:15:14,880 providing timely and accurate 428 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,880 benefits along with our risk 429 00:15:17,225 --> 00:15:17,593 adjusters for all of our city 430 00:15:17,593 --> 00:15:18,327 employees. 431 00:15:18,327 --> 00:15:21,327 >> So thank you so much. 432 00:15:27,803 --> 00:15:28,270 I really appreciate it. 433 00:15:28,270 --> 00:15:28,770 >> Thank you. 434 00:15:28,770 --> 00:15:29,271 I will second 435 00:15:29,271 --> 00:15:29,638 the proclamations. 436 00:15:29,638 --> 00:15:30,500 All right. 437 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:32,500 Thank you. 438 00:15:33,442 --> 00:15:34,420 Council members, do we have a 439 00:15:34,420 --> 00:15:34,776 motion by Councilmember 440 00:15:34,776 --> 00:15:35,410 Whitburn, the second by council 441 00:15:35,410 --> 00:15:37,379 member Von Wolpert to move 442 00:15:37,379 --> 00:15:37,946 the proclamation And we'll go 443 00:15:37,946 --> 00:15:38,447 to our city attorney. 444 00:15:38,447 --> 00:15:39,147 Thank you so much. 445 00:15:39,147 --> 00:15:41,583 Council PRESIDENT Today I have 446 00:15:41,583 --> 00:15:42,317 the honor of joining 447 00:15:42,317 --> 00:15:43,510 Councilmember Yvonne Wilbert in 448 00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:43,752 recognizing a truly exceptional 449 00:15:43,752 --> 00:15:46,752 member of the city attorney's 450 00:15:46,789 --> 00:15:47,422 office and senior chief Deputy 451 00:15:47,422 --> 00:15:49,822 City Attorney Diana Adams. 452 00:15:50,224 --> 00:15:50,926 After more than 28 years of 453 00:15:50,926 --> 00:15:51,660 dedicated service to the city, 454 00:15:51,660 --> 00:15:55,260 Diana is concluding a career of 455 00:15:55,364 --> 00:15:55,698 unwavering commitment to public 456 00:15:55,698 --> 00:15:56,432 service. 457 00:15:56,432 --> 00:15:57,132 As the councilmember mentioned, 458 00:15:57,132 --> 00:15:59,868 she was born and raised in San 459 00:15:59,868 --> 00:16:00,636 Diego. 460 00:16:00,636 --> 00:16:01,360 She is a graduate from San 461 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:01,804 Diego High. 462 00:16:01,804 --> 00:16:05,307 The second we have honored this 463 00:16:05,307 --> 00:16:05,975 year who have left our office. 464 00:16:05,975 --> 00:16:08,375 She received her bachelor's 465 00:16:10,345 --> 00:16:10,913 degree from St John's College, 466 00:16:10,913 --> 00:16:11,580 a master's degree from 467 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:12,214 the University of New Mexico 468 00:16:12,214 --> 00:16:12,948 and came home for her law 469 00:16:12,948 --> 00:16:15,384 degree at the University of San 470 00:16:15,384 --> 00:16:15,951 Diego. 471 00:16:15,951 --> 00:16:16,652 Diana joined the city 472 00:16:16,652 --> 00:16:19,652 attorney's office in 1997 as a 473 00:16:20,522 --> 00:16:21,323 criminal prosecutor. 474 00:16:21,323 --> 00:16:22,570 One year later she joined Civil 475 00:16:22,570 --> 00:16:22,625 Litigation Division and in 1999 476 00:16:22,625 --> 00:16:25,250 she joined the Workers 477 00:16:25,694 --> 00:16:26,328 Compensation Unit where she has 478 00:16:26,328 --> 00:16:26,996 been assigned ever since. 479 00:16:26,996 --> 00:16:29,996 For more than 20 years Diana 480 00:16:30,366 --> 00:16:31,330 has served as chief of 481 00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:31,666 the Workers Comp Unit where 482 00:16:31,666 --> 00:16:32,234 she's mentored attorneys, 483 00:16:32,234 --> 00:16:34,634 fostered a culture of 484 00:16:35,204 --> 00:16:35,938 camaraderie and it's a 485 00:16:35,938 --> 00:16:39,538 testament that her team is here 486 00:16:40,420 --> 00:16:40,809 and the risk adjusters that she 487 00:16:40,809 --> 00:16:41,510 works with on a daily basis 488 00:16:41,510 --> 00:16:44,146 It's not always every attorney 489 00:16:44,146 --> 00:16:44,847 who has clients who actually 490 00:16:44,847 --> 00:16:45,146 want to come and celebrate 491 00:16:45,146 --> 00:16:45,815 them. 492 00:16:45,815 --> 00:16:48,815 For more than 26 years Diana 493 00:16:48,851 --> 00:16:49,551 has been a trusted advisor for 494 00:16:49,551 --> 00:16:50,540 risk management and has played 495 00:16:50,540 --> 00:16:50,719 a critical role in 496 00:16:50,719 --> 00:16:52,719 strengthening collaboration 497 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:54,723 between attorneys and adjusters 498 00:16:54,723 --> 00:16:57,123 and helping risk management 499 00:16:59,600 --> 00:16:59,562 towards awards that they've 500 00:16:59,562 --> 00:17:00,229 received recently. 501 00:17:00,229 --> 00:17:00,796 Her impact on city employees 502 00:17:00,796 --> 00:17:02,796 has been immeasurable. 503 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:04,366 Diana advanced the city's 504 00:17:04,366 --> 00:17:05,000 ability to timely and 505 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,000 accurately deliver workers 506 00:17:08,337 --> 00:17:09,710 compensation benefits and was 507 00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:09,638 instrumental during the initial 508 00:17:09,638 --> 00:17:11,638 covid 19 Workers Comp 509 00:17:13,242 --> 00:17:13,675 Resumptions for safety after 510 00:17:13,675 --> 00:17:14,410 office hours. 511 00:17:14,410 --> 00:17:15,144 You've heard about the numerous 512 00:17:15,144 --> 00:17:18,144 hearings that Diana has already 513 00:17:18,547 --> 00:17:19,148 handled which is remarkable 514 00:17:19,148 --> 00:17:19,815 given anyone's caseload. 515 00:17:19,815 --> 00:17:23,180 So I am especially proud to 516 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:23,652 join Councilmember von Wilber 517 00:17:23,652 --> 00:17:24,220 today in honoring Diana's 518 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:24,920 extraordinary career. 519 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,722 Her deep commitment to public 520 00:17:27,722 --> 00:17:28,357 service and her profound impact 521 00:17:28,357 --> 00:17:29,191 on the city of San Diego. 522 00:17:29,191 --> 00:17:30,793 You will be missed and we hope 523 00:17:30,793 --> 00:17:31,193 you enjoy every moment of your 524 00:17:31,193 --> 00:17:33,193 retirement. 525 00:17:35,731 --> 00:17:38,131 >> Thank you so much. 526 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:41,837 All right. 527 00:17:41,837 --> 00:17:42,438 >> With that, I'll thank my 528 00:17:42,438 --> 00:17:43,105 colleagues and the city 529 00:17:43,105 --> 00:17:45,505 attorney for bringing these 530 00:17:45,674 --> 00:17:46,475 proclamations and resolutions 531 00:17:46,475 --> 00:17:47,343 robbing us of San Diego for 532 00:17:47,343 --> 00:17:50,379 the work you do every day And 533 00:17:50,379 --> 00:17:50,913 congratulations to MISS Adams 534 00:17:50,913 --> 00:17:51,447 on your retirement. 535 00:17:51,447 --> 00:17:53,847 You will be missed. 536 00:17:55,418 --> 00:17:56,180 With that we have a motion by 537 00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:56,686 Councilmember Lipper and 538 00:17:56,686 --> 00:17:57,353 the second by Councilmember 539 00:17:57,353 --> 00:17:58,320 Yvonne Wolpert clerk Please 540 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,155 call the roll. 541 00:17:59,155 --> 00:18:02,155 >> I'm sorry The voting system 542 00:18:03,226 --> 00:18:06,226 Please cast your vote that 543 00:18:08,998 --> 00:18:09,632 passes unanimously 8 to 0 with 544 00:18:09,632 --> 00:18:09,965 council member Ella Rivera 545 00:18:09,965 --> 00:18:10,665 absent. 546 00:18:10,665 --> 00:18:11,330 Thank you, Council PRESIDENT. 547 00:18:11,330 --> 00:18:11,400 All right. 548 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,369 Thank you. 549 00:18:13,369 --> 00:18:14,103 So we will take a brief pause 550 00:18:14,103 --> 00:18:15,771 for photos and we'll start with 551 00:18:15,771 --> 00:18:18,171 senior chief deputy City 552 00:20:25,267 --> 00:20:27,667 Attorney Donna Adams and 553 00:21:59,963 --> 00:22:00,631 all right with that we will now 554 00:22:00,631 --> 00:22:01,131 proceed with the approval of 555 00:22:01,131 --> 00:22:03,131 the consent items. 556 00:22:04,468 --> 00:22:05,202 >> Are there any requests to 557 00:22:05,202 --> 00:22:09,402 pull an item by the council Not 558 00:22:09,573 --> 00:22:10,140 seen any request? 559 00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:10,774 Clerk Please introduce 560 00:22:10,774 --> 00:22:11,241 the items and proceed with 561 00:22:11,241 --> 00:22:11,608 public comment. 562 00:22:11,608 --> 00:22:13,608 Thank you. 563 00:22:14,111 --> 00:22:14,811 Please now each speaker will 564 00:22:14,811 --> 00:22:15,144 have one minute per item per 565 00:22:15,144 --> 00:22:15,846 person. 566 00:22:15,846 --> 00:22:16,580 If you would like to speak on 567 00:22:16,580 --> 00:22:19,416 three or more items you'll have 568 00:22:19,416 --> 00:22:20,840 a maximum of three minutes. 569 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,484 The consent agenda includes 570 00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:23,854 items 5060 101.1 and 500. 571 00:22:23,854 --> 00:22:26,854 Blaire Beekman if you can 572 00:22:27,357 --> 00:22:27,791 please come forward you'll have 573 00:22:27,791 --> 00:22:29,660 three minutes. 574 00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:32,660 You're speaking on items 50 as 575 00:22:33,530 --> 00:22:34,465 501 hundred. 576 00:22:34,465 --> 00:22:37,465 Please proceed when ready at 577 00:22:38,335 --> 00:22:40,335 the mic. 578 00:22:43,974 --> 00:22:44,641 Hi everyone. 579 00:22:44,641 --> 00:22:47,641 Everyone I'm back from Maui. 580 00:22:48,312 --> 00:22:48,712 It's been a month and it's nice 581 00:22:48,712 --> 00:22:49,379 to be back. 582 00:22:49,379 --> 00:22:49,813 Nice to be back in 583 00:22:49,813 --> 00:22:51,813 the building. 584 00:22:53,383 --> 00:22:54,218 Um, I wanted to speak. 585 00:22:54,218 --> 00:22:57,821 I wrote three items I think I 586 00:22:57,821 --> 00:23:01,325 only want to mainly speak on 587 00:23:01,325 --> 00:23:02,920 two items items 50 and 100. 588 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,920 >> Um, thank you for this. 589 00:23:06,897 --> 00:23:07,597 So Soroptimist item that was 590 00:23:07,597 --> 00:23:10,597 here earlier working on child 591 00:23:11,568 --> 00:23:12,269 trafficking issues a young 592 00:23:12,269 --> 00:23:13,300 women can get help can relate 593 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:16,300 well to trafficking issues here 594 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:16,941 in San Diego on many levels. 595 00:23:16,941 --> 00:23:17,307 A really interesting item. 596 00:23:17,307 --> 00:23:19,307 Thank you. 597 00:23:23,146 --> 00:23:27,346 Um, for item 50 um the My Water 598 00:23:27,751 --> 00:23:28,419 City web portal is getting 599 00:23:28,419 --> 00:23:29,119 software service agreements. 600 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,719 It was that committee a few 601 00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:37,361 weeks ago and I went on and on 602 00:23:37,361 --> 00:23:38,270 about the importance of 603 00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:38,762 the mobile applications that 604 00:23:38,762 --> 00:23:41,762 this service agreement is going 605 00:23:42,299 --> 00:23:43,000 to serve and how awesome you 606 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,600 guys are doing in public works 607 00:23:47,271 --> 00:23:47,872 to build a more public process 608 00:23:47,872 --> 00:23:48,505 for the public utilities 609 00:23:48,505 --> 00:23:50,905 department and smart water 610 00:23:52,843 --> 00:23:53,544 meter issues that Councilperson 611 00:23:53,544 --> 00:23:56,544 Campbell and Bond will really 612 00:23:57,147 --> 00:23:57,681 worked on in the past few years 613 00:23:57,681 --> 00:23:58,416 They did Awesome. 614 00:23:58,416 --> 00:23:58,916 I went a little overboard. 615 00:23:58,916 --> 00:24:00,916 Sorry about that. 616 00:24:01,852 --> 00:24:02,519 Um, but just to be clear 617 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:05,519 they've done awesome work to 618 00:24:07,570 --> 00:24:07,691 make a real good public process 619 00:24:07,691 --> 00:24:08,359 that this item is serving. 620 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,494 Good luck and the continued 621 00:24:10,494 --> 00:24:11,262 good efforts. 622 00:24:11,262 --> 00:24:11,862 It's I think a crowning 623 00:24:11,862 --> 00:24:14,262 achievement of what this 624 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:16,967 current council is doing and 625 00:24:16,967 --> 00:24:17,668 and creating a public space. 626 00:24:17,668 --> 00:24:20,668 Good luck in the continued 627 00:24:21,539 --> 00:24:25,139 efforts And for item se 500 um 628 00:24:26,577 --> 00:24:27,244 resolute and excusing council 629 00:24:27,244 --> 00:24:27,944 person one will appear from 630 00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:30,344 certain City Council committee 631 00:24:30,581 --> 00:24:31,415 meetings. 632 00:24:31,415 --> 00:24:35,150 I made a references a few 633 00:24:35,386 --> 00:24:36,287 references last week um we're 634 00:24:36,287 --> 00:24:39,957 beginning a new stage of war at 635 00:24:39,957 --> 00:24:40,558 this time The work that I do 636 00:24:40,558 --> 00:24:41,258 with tech accountability 637 00:24:41,258 --> 00:24:43,658 immediately gets thrown under 638 00:24:46,831 --> 00:24:47,498 the bus At these times Council 639 00:24:47,498 --> 00:24:48,980 PRESIDENT Van Wolpert in her 640 00:24:48,980 --> 00:24:50,668 She's in a campaign an 641 00:24:50,668 --> 00:24:51,335 important campaign. 642 00:24:51,335 --> 00:24:51,969 I really like Councilperson 643 00:24:51,969 --> 00:24:52,536 Manuel and what she can do 644 00:24:52,536 --> 00:24:54,536 running for Congress. 645 00:24:55,273 --> 00:24:55,906 She's going to be a little 646 00:24:55,906 --> 00:24:56,706 tender and fragile to talk 647 00:24:56,706 --> 00:24:59,577 about how we can move forward 648 00:24:59,577 --> 00:24:59,911 with best practices in public 649 00:24:59,911 --> 00:25:01,911 safety. 650 00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:04,615 I want to hope this year we can 651 00:25:04,615 --> 00:25:05,348 still have those good 652 00:25:05,348 --> 00:25:08,348 conversations here at the local 653 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,620 level and that we can be 654 00:25:09,620 --> 00:25:10,154 building a really smart, more 655 00:25:10,154 --> 00:25:12,154 intelligent future. 656 00:25:14,792 --> 00:25:15,493 Uh, you know it's based on best 657 00:25:15,493 --> 00:25:16,193 practices and civil rights and 658 00:25:16,193 --> 00:25:18,593 civil protections and privacy 659 00:25:19,297 --> 00:25:20,310 and we don't have to forgo or 660 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:23,631 give those things up because of 661 00:25:25,169 --> 00:25:25,837 war, because of So we have 662 00:25:25,837 --> 00:25:28,339 the PRESIDENT Van Wilbur can 663 00:25:28,339 --> 00:25:29,400 have a good campaign and he's 664 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:29,841 actually she's been learning a 665 00:25:29,841 --> 00:25:33,144 lot And I hope we can learn how 666 00:25:33,144 --> 00:25:33,844 to speak more clearly together 667 00:25:33,844 --> 00:25:34,479 that we really can still 668 00:25:34,479 --> 00:25:35,179 continue best practices in 669 00:25:35,179 --> 00:25:38,779 the coming year and good luck 670 00:25:38,783 --> 00:25:39,484 in the ways to talk about this 671 00:25:39,484 --> 00:25:39,850 publicly and that we can do it 672 00:25:39,850 --> 00:25:40,218 together. 673 00:25:40,218 --> 00:25:40,584 Thank you. 674 00:25:40,584 --> 00:25:42,584 Thank you. 675 00:25:43,688 --> 00:25:44,322 I started the five minute timer 676 00:25:44,322 --> 00:25:44,922 because there are no other 677 00:25:44,922 --> 00:25:45,289 speakers here in council 678 00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:45,957 chambers. 679 00:25:45,957 --> 00:25:48,526 We have three in the virtual 680 00:25:48,526 --> 00:25:49,194 queue starting with 7499 If you 681 00:25:49,194 --> 00:25:52,794 can please let me know which 682 00:25:53,564 --> 00:25:54,232 item or items you wish to speak 683 00:25:54,232 --> 00:25:57,232 to on the consent agenda. 684 00:25:58,569 --> 00:25:59,203 >> 7499 Item 5100 and 101 685 00:25:59,203 --> 00:26:01,603 You'll have three minutes. 686 00:26:03,410 --> 00:26:05,410 >> Please proceed. 687 00:26:07,345 --> 00:26:08,460 But because it's key here all 688 00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:08,646 three of these items are 689 00:26:08,646 --> 00:26:11,646 contracts of one form or 690 00:26:12,583 --> 00:26:13,117 another with private businesses 691 00:26:13,117 --> 00:26:13,785 and organizations. 692 00:26:13,785 --> 00:26:16,785 I understand that the city 693 00:26:17,655 --> 00:26:18,388 sometimes needs to enter into 694 00:26:18,388 --> 00:26:21,388 such contracts for products and 695 00:26:22,694 --> 00:26:23,461 services but I have to ask who 696 00:26:23,461 --> 00:26:27,610 exactly in this city is on 697 00:26:27,432 --> 00:26:27,932 the hook for the conduct of 698 00:26:27,932 --> 00:26:29,932 these businesses? 699 00:26:31,536 --> 00:26:32,103 There should be at least one 700 00:26:32,103 --> 00:26:34,503 person who is publicly 701 00:26:36,841 --> 00:26:37,374 accountable for the conduct of 702 00:26:37,374 --> 00:26:38,420 any private business 703 00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:41,420 contracting with the city of 704 00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:42,847 San Diego and that one person's 705 00:26:42,847 --> 00:26:45,247 name and contact information 706 00:26:47,485 --> 00:26:48,185 should be provided internally 707 00:26:48,185 --> 00:26:51,185 and publicly available to all 708 00:26:52,256 --> 00:26:53,124 citizens not some bureaucrat 709 00:26:53,124 --> 00:26:57,324 that we have to go find should 710 00:26:57,662 --> 00:26:58,950 be publicly and prominently 711 00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:58,763 available. 712 00:26:58,763 --> 00:27:02,363 For example, who is the one 713 00:27:02,634 --> 00:27:03,301 person who is accountable for 714 00:27:03,301 --> 00:27:04,350 the conduct of the business 715 00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:07,350 leasing our Torrey Pines Glider 716 00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:08,740 port And where would citizens 717 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:12,340 find the name of that one 718 00:27:13,478 --> 00:27:14,179 person with those thoughts in 719 00:27:14,179 --> 00:27:14,945 mind I am asking the City 720 00:27:14,945 --> 00:27:18,545 Council to ensure that each and 721 00:27:18,716 --> 00:27:19,417 every contract with a private 722 00:27:19,417 --> 00:27:20,850 business including these three 723 00:27:20,850 --> 00:27:22,485 that I've mentioned includes 724 00:27:24,356 --> 00:27:24,889 the name of the person in this 725 00:27:24,889 --> 00:27:25,589 city who is publicly 726 00:27:25,589 --> 00:27:28,589 accountable for the conduct of 727 00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:29,461 those businesses. 728 00:27:29,461 --> 00:27:32,970 Do not approve any contract 729 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:32,397 unless such an appointment is 730 00:27:32,397 --> 00:27:34,397 made. 731 00:27:37,569 --> 00:27:38,203 >> Thank you. 732 00:27:38,203 --> 00:27:38,904 Next is Michael Schmidt. 733 00:27:38,904 --> 00:27:39,971 If you can please unmute and 734 00:27:39,971 --> 00:27:44,171 let me know which item or items 735 00:27:46,278 --> 00:27:47,344 you wish to speak to. 736 00:27:47,344 --> 00:27:50,281 >> Speaking to one on one So 737 00:27:50,281 --> 00:27:50,782 you'll have one minute. 738 00:27:50,782 --> 00:27:51,182 >> Please proceed. 739 00:27:51,182 --> 00:27:53,182 All right. 740 00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:57,188 Good morning everyone. 741 00:27:57,188 --> 00:27:59,188 Oh my GOD. 742 00:28:00,192 --> 00:28:03,792 I'm very happy The fact that 743 00:28:07,650 --> 00:28:11,265 we're going to be having the I 744 00:28:11,869 --> 00:28:12,269 guess you But I just I have 745 00:28:12,269 --> 00:28:14,269 been missed. 746 00:28:17,843 --> 00:28:18,276 I mean, someone I've been 747 00:28:18,276 --> 00:28:20,276 listening to. 748 00:28:21,813 --> 00:28:24,213 I appreciate that Everyone 749 00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:32,490 should come from so speaking to 750 00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:34,490 everyone here. 751 00:28:39,631 --> 00:28:42,631 So please try to contact. 752 00:28:44,869 --> 00:28:45,537 >> Thank you. 753 00:28:45,537 --> 00:28:47,937 Our final speaker is 8700. 754 00:28:56,248 --> 00:28:56,573 If you can please unmute 80/700 755 00:28:56,573 --> 00:28:57,490 . 756 00:28:57,490 --> 00:28:57,950 >> There you go. 757 00:28:57,950 --> 00:29:00,719 Which item or items do you wish 758 00:29:00,719 --> 00:29:01,385 to speak to? 759 00:29:01,385 --> 00:29:01,854 I'll speak to 50 6100. 760 00:29:01,854 --> 00:29:03,854 Please proceed. 761 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:07,626 You'll have three minutes. 762 00:29:07,626 --> 00:29:09,626 Thank you Joy. 763 00:29:09,861 --> 00:29:10,295 You had a cd three First of all 764 00:29:10,295 --> 00:29:12,295 I'm number 50. 765 00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:15,567 I want you to know that I do 766 00:29:15,567 --> 00:29:19,167 approve this Yet I must say 767 00:29:19,538 --> 00:29:20,539 the following Some old energy 768 00:29:20,539 --> 00:29:24,139 water for my water ski web 769 00:29:24,209 --> 00:29:26,609 portal Total employees 135 or 770 00:29:31,817 --> 00:29:34,217 admin workforce 57 Asian male 771 00:29:36,187 --> 00:29:37,322 21 Asian female 33 white male 772 00:29:37,322 --> 00:29:39,722 out of 105 135 That's 111 on 773 00:29:42,628 --> 00:29:43,328 the eeoc I disagree with their 774 00:29:43,328 --> 00:29:45,328 under represented represented 775 00:29:47,933 --> 00:29:50,933 categories yet they say they 776 00:29:53,672 --> 00:29:54,440 are doing better so I hope 777 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,610 that's true but the I just I 778 00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:59,378 don't see it once once 779 00:29:59,378 --> 00:30:02,978 the public registers for the my 780 00:30:04,416 --> 00:30:05,184 water safety web portal 781 00:30:05,184 --> 00:30:08,184 automatic switch to paperless a 782 00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:09,655 question how many customers so 783 00:30:09,655 --> 00:30:12,550 far are now paperless? 784 00:30:14,425 --> 00:30:17,425 The company rating is 2.5 out 785 00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:20,666 of five points Employee 786 00:30:20,666 --> 00:30:22,666 comments generally very 787 00:30:25,104 --> 00:30:26,400 negative Yet this is a win win 788 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,410 and I know a lot of people like 789 00:30:30,410 --> 00:30:30,708 this If this is a win win for 790 00:30:30,708 --> 00:30:33,108 our customer service let's 791 00:30:36,150 --> 00:30:37,148 modify the service agreement. 792 00:30:37,148 --> 00:30:41,948 Yes I do think we can do better 793 00:30:42,888 --> 00:30:43,756 on contracts. 794 00:30:43,756 --> 00:30:47,159 >> Thank you Love to all number 795 00:30:47,159 --> 00:30:47,793 60 California Believe what 796 00:30:47,793 --> 00:30:48,494 the 60 California Building 797 00:30:48,494 --> 00:30:50,894 standards codes and associated 798 00:30:52,798 --> 00:30:53,432 beauty codes a question Does 799 00:30:53,432 --> 00:30:56,432 the muni code states have 800 00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:59,700 safety procedures for public to 801 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,670 evacuate the 12th floor And if 802 00:31:02,675 --> 00:31:03,308 so could you please post on 803 00:31:03,308 --> 00:31:03,943 the 12th floor in a clear 804 00:31:03,943 --> 00:31:06,343 location for reading by 805 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,248 the public attending meetings 806 00:31:09,248 --> 00:31:13,448 How to do that evacuation a big 807 00:31:14,153 --> 00:31:14,920 big thank you on that. 808 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,920 Please listen to me I'm 100 809 00:31:18,790 --> 00:31:19,492 Since legal matters permeate 810 00:31:19,492 --> 00:31:23,920 most of what the city is 811 00:31:24,696 --> 00:31:25,397 involved in, I fully support 812 00:31:25,397 --> 00:31:26,165 our great office of the city 813 00:31:26,165 --> 00:31:29,165 Attorney and this panel outside 814 00:31:30,403 --> 00:31:34,300 counsel I also want to welcome 815 00:31:35,574 --> 00:31:36,307 back Council member Campo and 816 00:31:36,307 --> 00:31:39,307 to once again congratulate he 817 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:41,946 and his wife Nadya and 818 00:31:41,946 --> 00:31:42,548 the birth of their daughter. 819 00:31:42,548 --> 00:31:45,548 I have a beautiful day. 820 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:47,753 Thank you for listening and 821 00:31:47,753 --> 00:31:48,153 love to all. 822 00:31:48,153 --> 00:31:48,856 Thank you. 823 00:31:48,856 --> 00:31:49,422 That concludes public comment 824 00:31:49,422 --> 00:31:51,822 on the consent agenda. 825 00:31:52,425 --> 00:31:53,125 All right. 826 00:31:53,125 --> 00:31:53,926 Thank you, city Clerk. 827 00:31:53,926 --> 00:31:54,560 And with that will turn it over 828 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,560 to council members for any 829 00:31:58,297 --> 00:31:58,965 questions, comments Entertain a 830 00:31:58,965 --> 00:31:59,532 motion and we'll start with 831 00:31:59,532 --> 00:32:00,990 Councilmember Lambert. 832 00:32:00,990 --> 00:32:03,990 I thank you very much. 833 00:32:03,836 --> 00:32:04,504 I'm happy to make the motion to 834 00:32:04,504 --> 00:32:05,170 approve the consent agenda. 835 00:32:05,170 --> 00:32:08,770 I just wanted to comment on 836 00:32:08,807 --> 00:32:09,542 item 1 to 1 for the f y 26 837 00:32:09,542 --> 00:32:10,276 community programs Projects and 838 00:32:10,276 --> 00:32:12,676 services funding allocation for 839 00:32:14,613 --> 00:32:15,314 the Rancho Bene Scooters Town 840 00:32:15,314 --> 00:32:15,982 Council to support our annual 841 00:32:15,982 --> 00:32:18,982 very low Spanish growth very 842 00:32:19,318 --> 00:32:20,850 much looking forward to this 843 00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:20,620 event this year And I want to 844 00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:21,320 thank especially our 845 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,320 Transportation Department for 846 00:32:25,824 --> 00:32:26,559 working overtime to get all 847 00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:27,159 the people feel on the roads so 848 00:32:27,159 --> 00:32:27,994 we can actually do that. 849 00:32:27,994 --> 00:32:31,229 We are still on that road So I 850 00:32:31,229 --> 00:32:31,931 very much appreciate everybody 851 00:32:31,931 --> 00:32:32,365 and looking forward to joining 852 00:32:32,365 --> 00:32:33,990 our community. 853 00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:36,936 I'm happy to make the motion to 854 00:32:36,936 --> 00:32:37,437 approve the consent agenda. 855 00:32:37,437 --> 00:32:37,804 All right. 856 00:32:37,804 --> 00:32:38,571 Thank you. 857 00:32:38,571 --> 00:32:39,272 So we have a motion by council 858 00:32:39,272 --> 00:32:39,772 member Barton Wolpert to move 859 00:32:39,772 --> 00:32:41,772 the consent items. 860 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:43,743 I will go ahead and second and 861 00:32:43,743 --> 00:32:46,743 offer some brief comments on 862 00:32:49,115 --> 00:32:49,449 item 50 the pd customer service 863 00:32:49,449 --> 00:32:50,830 portal. 864 00:32:50,830 --> 00:32:50,749 This item was heard at 865 00:32:50,749 --> 00:32:51,117 the Environment Committee in 866 00:32:51,117 --> 00:32:51,751 FEBRUARY. 867 00:32:51,751 --> 00:32:54,354 I want to thank the public 868 00:32:54,354 --> 00:32:55,880 utilities team for 869 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:55,755 restructuring this contract and 870 00:32:55,755 --> 00:32:56,550 continue to save ratepayers 871 00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:56,622 money. 872 00:32:56,622 --> 00:32:59,220 This portal has proven 873 00:33:00,827 --> 00:33:01,461 successful in letting customers 874 00:33:01,461 --> 00:33:02,128 access their accounts and 875 00:33:02,128 --> 00:33:04,128 streamlining their payments. 876 00:33:05,264 --> 00:33:05,965 When the original contract came 877 00:33:05,965 --> 00:33:06,666 before council in 2021, I made 878 00:33:06,666 --> 00:33:07,367 the amendment to remove credit 879 00:33:07,367 --> 00:33:10,967 card fees from being paid by 880 00:33:11,370 --> 00:33:12,700 the public Utilities department 881 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:12,739 That still allows customers to 882 00:33:12,739 --> 00:33:13,473 pay through automatic debit 883 00:33:13,473 --> 00:33:16,473 from their checking account and 884 00:33:17,544 --> 00:33:20,947 avoid any fees and as a result 885 00:33:20,947 --> 00:33:21,447 saves all ratepayers over $14 886 00:33:21,447 --> 00:33:22,114 million in fees. 887 00:33:22,114 --> 00:33:22,715 Keeping the continuity This 888 00:33:22,715 --> 00:33:23,383 platform is helpful for 889 00:33:23,383 --> 00:33:25,783 the customer experience and 890 00:33:27,921 --> 00:33:28,621 thank you again to the good 891 00:33:28,621 --> 00:33:29,355 folks of public utilities for 892 00:33:29,355 --> 00:33:30,560 restructuring this contract And 893 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,193 with that we have a motion by 894 00:33:33,193 --> 00:33:33,960 Council member of on Wolpert a 895 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,960 second by myself Please call 896 00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:45,471 the roll that passes 897 00:33:45,471 --> 00:33:46,206 unanimously 9 to 0 Thank 898 00:33:46,206 --> 00:33:49,206 Council PRESIDENT All right All 899 00:33:50,977 --> 00:33:51,744 right Thank you. 900 00:33:51,744 --> 00:33:52,345 Do we have any comments from 901 00:33:52,345 --> 00:33:53,460 the mayor's office, city 902 00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:55,446 council member, city Attorney 903 00:33:56,416 --> 00:33:57,117 and if anybody Analyst or city 904 00:33:57,117 --> 00:33:57,516 clerk not seeing any will move 905 00:33:57,516 --> 00:33:59,516 right along. 906 00:34:04,657 --> 00:34:05,258 We will now take out 907 00:34:05,258 --> 00:34:05,892 Councilmember Gallardo. 908 00:34:05,892 --> 00:34:06,559 I think you guys read it. 909 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,394 I just I won't take too much 910 00:34:08,394 --> 00:34:09,950 time on this and just as has 911 00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:12,695 been so often the case for 912 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,300 the last 13 months or so, 14 913 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:17,300 months, things that are would 914 00:34:19,572 --> 00:34:20,173 be absolute extraordinary or 915 00:34:20,173 --> 00:34:20,840 becoming quite routine. 916 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,341 That doesn't mean that they 917 00:34:21,341 --> 00:34:23,341 should be normal. 918 00:34:25,779 --> 00:34:26,513 Over the weekend the PRESIDENT 919 00:34:26,513 --> 00:34:27,147 Launched an illegal war that is 920 00:34:27,147 --> 00:34:30,147 putting the lives of San 921 00:34:31,484 --> 00:34:32,185 Diegans and the friends and 922 00:34:32,185 --> 00:34:35,785 family of San Diegans at risk. 923 00:34:37,157 --> 00:34:38,124 And I just didn't want things 924 00:34:38,124 --> 00:34:38,725 to kind of go on as if that's 925 00:34:38,725 --> 00:34:41,125 not happening right now. 926 00:34:43,964 --> 00:34:44,664 We've already lost service 927 00:34:44,664 --> 00:34:45,365 members and there's also been 928 00:34:45,365 --> 00:34:48,365 tremendous loss of life beyond 929 00:34:49,236 --> 00:34:50,690 that. 930 00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:54,269 So again, just for the sake of 931 00:34:57,711 --> 00:34:58,411 not normalizing the what should 932 00:34:58,411 --> 00:34:59,790 never be normal but like what 933 00:34:59,790 --> 00:34:59,346 Saying something like thank 934 00:34:59,346 --> 00:34:59,713 you. 935 00:34:59,713 --> 00:35:01,448 All right. 936 00:35:01,448 --> 00:35:02,215 Thank you, sir. 937 00:35:02,215 --> 00:35:02,983 Not seeing anybody else We will 938 00:35:02,983 --> 00:35:06,583 now take up non agenda public 939 00:35:07,621 --> 00:35:08,188 comment The council members 940 00:35:08,188 --> 00:35:08,822 respect and appreciate 941 00:35:08,822 --> 00:35:09,523 the public's input and are 942 00:35:09,523 --> 00:35:10,257 fully committed to protecting 943 00:35:10,257 --> 00:35:12,657 every participant's free speech 944 00:35:13,894 --> 00:35:14,561 rights at Council and committee 945 00:35:14,561 --> 00:35:15,950 meetings but please proceed 946 00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:15,528 with public comment. 947 00:35:15,528 --> 00:35:17,528 >> Thank you. 948 00:35:20,330 --> 00:35:20,767 Council PRESIDENT Pearl 2.7 On 949 00:35:20,767 --> 00:35:21,401 the agenda Public comment is an 950 00:35:21,401 --> 00:35:22,102 opportunity for members of 951 00:35:22,102 --> 00:35:25,672 the public to comment on items 952 00:35:25,672 --> 00:35:26,306 that are not on the agenda but 953 00:35:26,306 --> 00:35:26,906 within the subject matter 954 00:35:26,906 --> 00:35:27,240 jurisdiction of the City 955 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:27,874 Council. 956 00:35:27,874 --> 00:35:28,207 Each speaker will have two 957 00:35:28,207 --> 00:35:30,207 minutes. 958 00:35:31,678 --> 00:35:32,379 Please know if there are eight 959 00:35:32,379 --> 00:35:33,130 or more speakers on a single 960 00:35:33,130 --> 00:35:33,713 topic the maximum time for 961 00:35:33,713 --> 00:35:34,380 the topic will be 16 minutes. 962 00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:37,380 If you're in chambers place 963 00:35:38,518 --> 00:35:39,252 some of your speakers late. 964 00:35:39,252 --> 00:35:39,920 If you're joining us virtually 965 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,654 now's the time to raise your 966 00:35:40,654 --> 00:35:41,387 hand by pressing the raise your 967 00:35:41,387 --> 00:35:43,824 hand icon or if you are calling 968 00:35:43,824 --> 00:35:44,558 participant Star nine If I 969 00:35:44,558 --> 00:35:45,258 could have Jacob Edwards please 970 00:35:45,258 --> 00:35:45,892 come forward and if I can have 971 00:35:45,892 --> 00:35:48,292 Blair Beekman, please come 972 00:35:49,529 --> 00:35:49,829 forward to the other reserved 973 00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:51,829 seats. 974 00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:54,668 Jacob Edwards You'll have two 975 00:35:54,668 --> 00:35:55,335 minutes When you get to the mic 976 00:35:55,335 --> 00:35:58,335 you can proceed when ready. 977 00:35:58,671 --> 00:35:59,406 >> Thank you for being the two 978 00:35:59,406 --> 00:36:00,140 men Excuse very quick I'm going 979 00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:00,541 to try some this off as quickly 980 00:36:00,541 --> 00:36:02,541 as possible. 981 00:36:04,277 --> 00:36:05,111 There's a lot to it. 982 00:36:05,111 --> 00:36:05,545 We have a lot of concerns in 983 00:36:05,545 --> 00:36:07,545 this country. 984 00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:10,651 Our country has been hijacked 985 00:36:10,651 --> 00:36:11,840 our federal government agencies 986 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,520 by the mafia. 987 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,223 It sounds crazy and it is It is 988 00:36:16,223 --> 00:36:16,890 absolutely the case They're 989 00:36:16,890 --> 00:36:17,558 doing such things as rolling 990 00:36:17,558 --> 00:36:18,260 federal grant money through 991 00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:20,260 mayors offices. 992 00:36:21,762 --> 00:36:22,496 Did the same thing in San 993 00:36:22,496 --> 00:36:23,196 Francisco outing the past mayor 994 00:36:23,196 --> 00:36:26,796 where the entire city is mafia 995 00:36:28,402 --> 00:36:29,102 in where is is the tug of war 996 00:36:29,102 --> 00:36:32,102 You had federal threat of 997 00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:34,241 federal indictments over him 998 00:36:34,241 --> 00:36:36,641 for mismanaging federal money. 999 00:36:39,947 --> 00:36:40,581 Now this is madness absolutely 1000 00:36:40,581 --> 00:36:43,581 crazy And the Chinese I've 1001 00:36:45,753 --> 00:36:46,453 recently become aware of well 1002 00:36:46,453 --> 00:36:47,220 aware of what's going on they 1003 00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:50,220 have paid close attention to 1004 00:36:51,925 --> 00:36:52,626 that The allegiance was working 1005 00:36:52,626 --> 00:36:56,826 for the mob and what they do 1006 00:36:57,830 --> 00:36:58,465 going in behind them Bamboozle 1007 00:36:58,465 --> 00:36:59,133 them, bamboozling them for 1008 00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:02,133 the hijacking city is really 1009 00:37:03,469 --> 00:37:04,105 maybe hijacked by the Chinese 1010 00:37:04,105 --> 00:37:07,105 that we have some serious 1011 00:37:09,343 --> 00:37:10,110 national security threat issues 1012 00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:10,844 And that's why I was speaking 1013 00:37:10,844 --> 00:37:14,444 upon a lawsuit with the federal 1014 00:37:15,348 --> 00:37:16,830 government offering protection 1015 00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:19,830 orders protecting the mayor You 1016 00:37:22,256 --> 00:37:22,923 city council seats this city 1017 00:37:22,923 --> 00:37:23,624 hall, the police department 1018 00:37:23,624 --> 00:37:27,224 which would be standing up for 1019 00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:28,929 the citizens of San Diego who 1020 00:37:28,929 --> 00:37:29,697 would be standing up for 1021 00:37:29,697 --> 00:37:33,297 the city and our country our 1022 00:37:34,801 --> 00:37:35,468 country's future is at stake. 1023 00:37:35,468 --> 00:37:38,468 Our lives are at stake. 1024 00:37:40,741 --> 00:37:41,442 Chinese well aware that 1025 00:37:41,442 --> 00:37:44,442 the Gambino's and the Genovese 1026 00:37:45,913 --> 00:37:46,680 and the crime families would 1027 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,281 have us disposed of and badly 1028 00:37:47,281 --> 00:37:47,915 hurt American citizens. 1029 00:37:47,915 --> 00:37:50,915 They were keeping it under 1030 00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:52,686 wraps waiting, waiting for 1031 00:37:52,686 --> 00:37:53,320 the crime families to badly 1032 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,520 hurt us to swoop in as our 1033 00:37:58,959 --> 00:37:59,660 savior, take out our 1034 00:37:59,660 --> 00:38:00,260 government, take out the crime 1035 00:38:00,260 --> 00:38:00,694 families. 1036 00:38:00,694 --> 00:38:03,694 That's why Donald Trump bomb 1037 00:38:03,730 --> 00:38:04,464 Iran to beat China and we're 1038 00:38:04,464 --> 00:38:06,864 building comment blurb Ackerman 1039 00:38:08,769 --> 00:38:09,103 If you can please come forward 1040 00:38:09,103 --> 00:38:11,103 . 1041 00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:15,709 All right where we can be nice 1042 00:38:15,709 --> 00:38:16,343 to think that all the whales I 1043 00:38:16,343 --> 00:38:17,780 was hanging around with in 1044 00:38:17,780 --> 00:38:20,678 Hawaii and now we can be 1045 00:38:20,748 --> 00:38:21,415 listening to this conversation. 1046 00:38:21,415 --> 00:38:24,415 It's nice listening to their 1047 00:38:26,854 --> 00:38:27,787 conversations this past month. 1048 00:38:27,787 --> 00:38:28,456 I hope I can offer a few words 1049 00:38:28,456 --> 00:38:29,156 from the international level 1050 00:38:29,156 --> 00:38:32,560 that I relate to at work here 1051 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,327 at the local level. 1052 00:38:33,327 --> 00:38:33,927 It's time to note the surprise 1053 00:38:33,927 --> 00:38:36,927 of the recent us Israel 1054 00:38:38,933 --> 00:38:39,667 airstrikes in Iraq. 1055 00:38:39,667 --> 00:38:40,368 In Iran there was also a 1056 00:38:40,368 --> 00:38:41,670 respected negotiation process 1057 00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:44,670 that was taking place between 1058 00:38:45,106 --> 00:38:45,573 these different sides in 1059 00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:46,140 the Middle East. 1060 00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:46,741 It makes these current 1061 00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:47,441 airstrikes all the more 1062 00:38:47,441 --> 00:38:50,441 surprising as it possibly has 1063 00:38:51,345 --> 00:38:52,790 no clear end plan and reminder 1064 00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:52,713 and how often the us itself can 1065 00:38:52,713 --> 00:38:55,113 break agreements of trust. 1066 00:38:57,985 --> 00:38:58,652 Thank you for the words of 1067 00:38:58,652 --> 00:38:59,353 counsel personnel aware that 1068 00:38:59,353 --> 00:39:00,870 our national security here at 1069 00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:02,824 the local level does need to be 1070 00:39:02,824 --> 00:39:03,189 seriously questioned by 1071 00:39:03,189 --> 00:39:03,858 ourselves. 1072 00:39:03,858 --> 00:39:08,580 Good luck in the work we do 1073 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:09,897 together at this time. 1074 00:39:09,897 --> 00:39:10,531 It's from this to note at a 1075 00:39:10,531 --> 00:39:11,165 local level we are simply 1076 00:39:11,165 --> 00:39:11,799 getting better and how to 1077 00:39:11,799 --> 00:39:14,799 seriously limit and to not 1078 00:39:15,303 --> 00:39:16,370 simply allow the practices of a 1079 00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:16,737 continual war from the national 1080 00:39:16,737 --> 00:39:20,337 level to overly affect the day 1081 00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:21,676 to day practices here at 1082 00:39:21,676 --> 00:39:22,410 the local community level. 1083 00:39:22,410 --> 00:39:23,770 The current growth at the local 1084 00:39:23,770 --> 00:39:25,477 level, better reasoning and 1085 00:39:27,381 --> 00:39:28,115 best practices and the current 1086 00:39:28,115 --> 00:39:28,816 local efforts that specifically 1087 00:39:28,816 --> 00:39:32,416 can work towards peace and not 1088 00:39:32,419 --> 00:39:33,120 war can simply offer incredibly 1089 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:33,821 good examples in how countries 1090 00:39:33,821 --> 00:39:34,489 at the national level can also 1091 00:39:34,489 --> 00:39:38,890 limit war as these ideas of 1092 00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:40,328 best practices. 1093 00:39:40,328 --> 00:39:40,995 Here we're doing content We 1094 00:39:40,995 --> 00:39:41,696 help work towards the dialog 1095 00:39:41,696 --> 00:39:44,696 piece to solve differences in 1096 00:39:45,666 --> 00:39:46,434 the future. 1097 00:39:46,434 --> 00:39:47,100 I can't stress enough that 1098 00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:47,668 the work we do attack 1099 00:39:47,668 --> 00:39:49,668 accountability just creates 1100 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:51,939 incredibly good examples of 1101 00:39:51,939 --> 00:39:54,339 open democracy best practices 1102 00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:58,378 dialog We work on these things 1103 00:39:58,378 --> 00:39:59,112 locally. 1104 00:39:59,112 --> 00:39:59,814 It creates incredible examples. 1105 00:39:59,814 --> 00:40:03,414 Our federal level will have to 1106 00:40:03,751 --> 00:40:04,485 take notice of So good luck to 1107 00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:05,152 ourselves in our continued work 1108 00:40:05,152 --> 00:40:08,152 at doing best practices here 1109 00:40:09,724 --> 00:40:10,425 What we know how to do best and 1110 00:40:10,425 --> 00:40:10,791 that will just bring peace to 1111 00:40:10,791 --> 00:40:11,225 everyone. 1112 00:40:11,225 --> 00:40:13,225 >> Thank you. 1113 00:40:16,398 --> 00:40:17,165 Thank you. 1114 00:40:17,165 --> 00:40:17,665 I started the moment of time 1115 00:40:17,665 --> 00:40:18,266 are going to those 1116 00:40:18,266 --> 00:40:19,834 participating remotely. 1117 00:40:19,834 --> 00:40:20,535 Growing up or speakers in 1118 00:40:20,535 --> 00:40:21,302 the queue 8700 if you can 1119 00:40:21,302 --> 00:40:24,239 please unmute after that is 1120 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:24,639 Peggy Walker 8700. 1121 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,639 Thank you. 1122 00:40:30,178 --> 00:40:30,945 Thank you. 1123 00:40:30,945 --> 00:40:31,412 Another 53 or excuse me our 1124 00:40:31,412 --> 00:40:33,412 precious water. 1125 00:40:36,251 --> 00:40:36,885 It begins with snow Then it 1126 00:40:36,885 --> 00:40:39,285 becomes the Colorado River 1127 00:40:41,656 --> 00:40:42,690 water. 1128 00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:46,290 Then after a long journey of 1129 00:40:47,996 --> 00:40:50,996 over 242 miles we cook and 1130 00:40:52,901 --> 00:40:53,734 drink the miracle of water. 1131 00:40:53,734 --> 00:40:57,334 This miracle this is our utmost 1132 00:40:59,674 --> 00:41:00,307 respect and that is not what is 1133 00:41:00,307 --> 00:41:01,900 happening from the people 1134 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:04,900 involved and the systems they 1135 00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:05,647 have put in place to harness it 1136 00:41:05,647 --> 00:41:07,647 and manage it. 1137 00:41:10,418 --> 00:41:11,520 Please read the article from 1138 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,452 this past Valentine's Day 1139 00:41:16,658 --> 00:41:19,580 titled Western States Again 1140 00:41:22,964 --> 00:41:23,531 The Deadline for Water Bill. 1141 00:41:23,531 --> 00:41:25,931 Here's what We need. 1142 00:41:28,637 --> 00:41:29,337 Crowfoot California's Natural 1143 00:41:29,337 --> 00:41:31,737 resource secretary said talks 1144 00:41:34,476 --> 00:41:34,976 would continue even after 1145 00:41:34,976 --> 00:41:36,976 today's deadline. 1146 00:41:40,916 --> 00:41:41,416 Negotiations and even after 1147 00:41:41,416 --> 00:41:42,830 today's deadline. 1148 00:41:42,830 --> 00:41:44,483 Negotiations in recent weeks 1149 00:41:47,656 --> 00:41:48,356 have centered on the five year 1150 00:41:48,356 --> 00:41:48,789 plan during which states share 1151 00:41:48,789 --> 00:41:50,789 in water cuts. 1152 00:41:53,929 --> 00:41:54,562 While the states in 1153 00:41:54,562 --> 00:41:56,562 conservation conservation 1154 00:41:59,133 --> 00:41:59,867 naturally in hopes of 1155 00:41:59,867 --> 00:42:00,535 stabilizing the water supply to 1156 00:42:00,535 --> 00:42:03,535 a longer term water sharing 1157 00:42:04,873 --> 00:42:05,740 deal can be struck. 1158 00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:06,307 End of quote from me from 1159 00:42:06,307 --> 00:42:08,707 Google If the federal 1160 00:42:12,247 --> 00:42:12,915 government interested change it 1161 00:42:12,915 --> 00:42:15,315 will involve legal pushbacks 1162 00:42:17,752 --> 00:42:18,120 involving our precious miracle 1163 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:18,820 of water. 1164 00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:21,820 Please don't let that happen. 1165 00:42:23,625 --> 00:42:24,259 More from me later. 1166 00:42:24,259 --> 00:42:24,592 I'm really following this 1167 00:42:24,592 --> 00:42:26,592 closely. 1168 00:42:29,698 --> 00:42:30,198 Please join me in this blog to 1169 00:42:30,198 --> 00:42:30,866 all thank you. 1170 00:42:30,866 --> 00:42:33,266 >> Next is Peggy Walker. 1171 00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:36,205 If you can please unmute Peggy 1172 00:42:36,205 --> 00:42:36,571 Walker after that is 749. 1173 00:42:36,571 --> 00:42:38,571 Thank you. 1174 00:42:41,710 --> 00:42:42,544 Good morning. 1175 00:42:42,544 --> 00:42:43,245 As a public health professional 1176 00:42:43,245 --> 00:42:47,215 and use mentor I came to share 1177 00:42:47,215 --> 00:42:47,749 that yesterday was world team 1178 00:42:47,749 --> 00:42:48,350 Mental Wellness Day. 1179 00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:49,170 It's observed worldwide 1180 00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:51,417 annually to raise awareness 1181 00:42:53,789 --> 00:42:54,423 about mental health issues 1182 00:42:54,423 --> 00:42:56,823 impacting teenagers but it 1183 00:42:59,661 --> 00:43:00,462 should be a daily observation. 1184 00:43:00,462 --> 00:43:01,129 We need to better educate about 1185 00:43:01,129 --> 00:43:03,129 the devastating devastating 1186 00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:06,267 impact of the increasing number 1187 00:43:06,267 --> 00:43:06,902 of intoxicating addictive drugs 1188 00:43:06,902 --> 00:43:09,302 being normalized and made 1189 00:43:11,907 --> 00:43:12,441 available to young people in 1190 00:43:12,441 --> 00:43:13,108 today's marketplace. 1191 00:43:13,108 --> 00:43:16,108 Easy access to high potency 1192 00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:18,881 marijuana bounce and dispenser 1193 00:43:18,881 --> 00:43:19,615 and on the Internet promises 1194 00:43:19,615 --> 00:43:22,150 that legalization would prevent 1195 00:43:24,453 --> 00:43:25,320 youth access have failed. 1196 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:25,921 And studies show youth use goes 1197 00:43:25,921 --> 00:43:28,321 up when dispensaries are 1198 00:43:29,892 --> 00:43:30,191 located where young people 1199 00:43:30,191 --> 00:43:30,826 live. 1200 00:43:30,826 --> 00:43:31,493 The harmful mental health 1201 00:43:31,493 --> 00:43:33,893 impacts are well documented. 1202 00:43:36,565 --> 00:43:37,132 Further teens are confronted by 1203 00:43:37,132 --> 00:43:37,666 a bevy of unregulated 1204 00:43:37,666 --> 00:43:39,666 intoxicating drugs. 1205 00:43:42,237 --> 00:43:42,971 So the neighborhood convenience 1206 00:43:42,971 --> 00:43:45,971 and liquor stores, gas stations 1207 00:43:47,709 --> 00:43:48,243 and smoke shops many are 1208 00:43:48,243 --> 00:43:48,910 exported from China. 1209 00:43:48,910 --> 00:43:51,310 The sheriff's department has 1210 00:43:53,615 --> 00:43:54,383 issued warnings about these and 1211 00:43:54,383 --> 00:43:55,840 a multitude of candy and snack 1212 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,484 products packaged to attract 1213 00:43:59,455 --> 00:44:00,890 kids that are mislabeled, 1214 00:44:00,890 --> 00:44:02,489 intoxicating and cannot be 1215 00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:06,828 trusted in terms of content. 1216 00:44:06,828 --> 00:44:09,228 Addictive Kratom seven products 1217 00:44:12,101 --> 00:44:12,734 are increasingly available but 1218 00:44:12,734 --> 00:44:13,468 unregulated as are nitrous 1219 00:44:13,468 --> 00:44:16,468 oxide products like Galaxy Gas. 1220 00:44:18,474 --> 00:44:19,410 The da's office and doctors are 1221 00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:21,441 warning that youth are 1222 00:44:23,579 --> 00:44:24,280 suffering addiction and serious 1223 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,470 cold burns from nitrous oxide. 1224 00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:28,470 I'm here to urge increased 1225 00:44:29,652 --> 00:44:30,186 public education which is 1226 00:44:30,186 --> 00:44:30,786 critical for public 1227 00:44:30,786 --> 00:44:32,786 understanding that these 1228 00:44:35,624 --> 00:44:36,258 intoxicating but unregulated 1229 00:44:36,258 --> 00:44:36,826 products are increasingly 1230 00:44:36,826 --> 00:44:38,826 common and dangerous. 1231 00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:43,933 Thank you for your time. 1232 00:44:43,933 --> 00:44:44,600 Thank u next 27499 if you can 1233 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:44,934 please And after that is our 1234 00:44:44,934 --> 00:44:46,934 next go. 1235 00:44:48,704 --> 00:44:49,470 So before I let Bob Kazuki here 1236 00:44:49,470 --> 00:44:52,470 my recent speeches have been 1237 00:44:53,909 --> 00:44:54,610 highlighting the problems that 1238 00:44:54,610 --> 00:44:55,344 arise when a government shirks 1239 00:44:55,344 --> 00:44:58,344 its duties and turns government 1240 00:44:59,715 --> 00:45:00,148 functions over to a private 1241 00:45:00,148 --> 00:45:00,816 business. 1242 00:45:00,816 --> 00:45:01,484 That's been happening in San 1243 00:45:01,484 --> 00:45:02,184 Diego for years under recent 1244 00:45:02,184 --> 00:45:04,584 administrations and I've given 1245 00:45:06,355 --> 00:45:07,560 several notable examples. 1246 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:07,656 Let's remember San Diego Mayor 1247 00:45:07,656 --> 00:45:08,290 Jerry Sanders allowing a 1248 00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:11,290 private business to set up 1249 00:45:12,394 --> 00:45:13,620 their own red light camera 1250 00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:13,696 system to issue tickets to 1251 00:45:13,696 --> 00:45:14,960 citizens and take a cut of 1252 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:14,797 the profits. 1253 00:45:14,797 --> 00:45:17,197 But Mayor Filner discontinued 1254 00:45:18,668 --> 00:45:19,335 that practice. 1255 00:45:19,335 --> 00:45:20,200 Let's remember a private 1256 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:20,703 business deciding that they 1257 00:45:20,703 --> 00:45:21,370 didn't want to accept cash in 1258 00:45:21,370 --> 00:45:23,770 our city parking structure. 1259 00:45:25,107 --> 00:45:25,775 They were forcing citizens 1260 00:45:25,775 --> 00:45:26,442 these electronic payment to 1261 00:45:26,442 --> 00:45:26,808 park in our own city parking 1262 00:45:26,808 --> 00:45:27,443 structure. 1263 00:45:27,443 --> 00:45:29,843 Let's remember the ongoing 1264 00:45:30,713 --> 00:45:31,414 requirement for citizens to be 1265 00:45:31,414 --> 00:45:32,480 tracked by constant contact in 1266 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:32,715 Highland Cloud in order to 1267 00:45:32,715 --> 00:45:35,715 obtain updates and to access 1268 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,220 city documents like the agendas 1269 00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:37,853 for this meeting. 1270 00:45:37,853 --> 00:45:38,520 Let's remember the ongoing 1271 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,520 requirement to join use for 1272 00:45:42,825 --> 00:45:43,459 private business and sign an 1273 00:45:43,459 --> 00:45:44,159 abusive contract with our 1274 00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:44,826 California adventure and other 1275 00:45:44,826 --> 00:45:47,826 private business in order to 1276 00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:49,499 hang glider paraglider to our 1277 00:45:49,499 --> 00:45:50,232 own Torrey Pines City Park. 1278 00:45:50,232 --> 00:45:50,900 That abuse of contract requires 1279 00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:54,500 citizens to pay to use their 1280 00:45:55,204 --> 00:45:55,737 park and agree not to sue 1281 00:45:55,737 --> 00:45:56,372 the business even if 1282 00:45:56,372 --> 00:45:57,730 the business is negligent. 1283 00:45:57,730 --> 00:46:00,276 But it's even worse than that 1284 00:46:00,276 --> 00:46:00,977 because being a member of you 1285 00:46:00,977 --> 00:46:01,744 limits citizens rights to even 1286 00:46:01,744 --> 00:46:05,344 speak to this council or to 1287 00:46:07,116 --> 00:46:07,413 even testify in court against 1288 00:46:07,413 --> 00:46:07,984 you. 1289 00:46:07,984 --> 00:46:08,751 But back to businesses. 1290 00:46:08,751 --> 00:46:12,622 In other words, in order to use 1291 00:46:12,622 --> 00:46:13,356 our city park we cannot come 1292 00:46:13,356 --> 00:46:13,890 and speak to this council about 1293 00:46:13,890 --> 00:46:14,523 abuses at that park. 1294 00:46:14,523 --> 00:46:17,523 We cannot testify in court 1295 00:46:19,729 --> 00:46:20,396 about abuses at that park or we 1296 00:46:20,396 --> 00:46:21,970 risk expulsion from use but 1297 00:46:21,970 --> 00:46:24,600 which denies us access to our 1298 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,268 city park That is outrageous. 1299 00:46:25,268 --> 00:46:25,802 These are just the examples 1300 00:46:25,802 --> 00:46:26,402 that I've personally 1301 00:46:26,402 --> 00:46:28,802 encountered in the city. 1302 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:31,708 It's likely just the tip of 1303 00:46:31,708 --> 00:46:34,944 the iceberg In all of these 1304 00:46:34,944 --> 00:46:35,645 cases citizens are forced into 1305 00:46:35,645 --> 00:46:36,379 relationships of one form or 1306 00:46:36,379 --> 00:46:37,800 another with a private business 1307 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:37,447 in order to access city owned 1308 00:46:37,447 --> 00:46:39,447 resources. 1309 00:46:41,818 --> 00:46:42,185 This must not be allowed to 1310 00:46:42,185 --> 00:46:42,752 continue. 1311 00:46:42,752 --> 00:46:43,419 Joe Lacob It's time to 1312 00:46:43,419 --> 00:46:45,819 reactivate the Torrey Pines 1313 00:46:47,457 --> 00:46:48,910 City Park Advisory Board and 1314 00:46:48,910 --> 00:46:48,725 implement the Torrey Pines 1315 00:46:48,725 --> 00:46:51,125 waiver to protect citizens 1316 00:46:54,197 --> 00:46:54,797 against the abuse of business 1317 00:46:54,797 --> 00:46:57,197 that you've put in. 1318 00:46:59,768 --> 00:47:00,169 >> If you can please unmute. 1319 00:47:00,169 --> 00:47:02,169 >> Yes. 1320 00:47:06,276 --> 00:47:06,976 Ernie Casco Lori Resident 1321 00:47:06,976 --> 00:47:07,343 Senior Pilot Torrey Pines gone 1322 00:47:07,343 --> 00:47:08,770 to court. 1323 00:47:08,770 --> 00:47:11,770 I second Bob's statement there. 1324 00:47:12,348 --> 00:47:12,849 It's time to stop decline 1325 00:47:12,849 --> 00:47:13,316 within the college 1326 00:47:13,316 --> 00:47:13,883 administration. 1327 00:47:13,883 --> 00:47:16,283 Torrey Pines My report 1328 00:47:17,921 --> 00:47:18,288 complaint is welcome mounted on 1329 00:47:18,288 --> 00:47:19,880 your desk. 1330 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,288 I should not be forced to sign 1331 00:47:23,993 --> 00:47:24,594 a leaseholder Illegal access 1332 00:47:24,594 --> 00:47:25,328 pass waiver when city 1333 00:47:25,328 --> 00:47:25,995 liabilities are already covered 1334 00:47:25,995 --> 00:47:28,395 by California statutes laws. 1335 00:47:30,133 --> 00:47:30,767 It is misappropriation of 1336 00:47:30,767 --> 00:47:31,433 public funding going into 1337 00:47:31,433 --> 00:47:33,833 private accounts and demands 1338 00:47:36,306 --> 00:47:36,940 for transparent city audit that 1339 00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:39,340 would end the corruption. 1340 00:47:42,178 --> 00:47:42,946 It is illegal for anyone for 1341 00:47:42,946 --> 00:47:43,646 anyone Joe Lacob to turn our 1342 00:47:43,646 --> 00:47:44,514 freedom into a privilege for a 1343 00:47:44,514 --> 00:47:48,114 license and a fee under any 1344 00:47:48,785 --> 00:47:49,185 terms, circumstances or 1345 00:47:49,185 --> 00:47:49,919 conditions. 1346 00:47:49,919 --> 00:47:50,620 Allowing this crime to continue 1347 00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:54,624 is a violation of your oath of 1348 00:47:54,624 --> 00:47:55,580 office and automatic forfeiture 1349 00:47:55,580 --> 00:47:55,725 of your chair. 1350 00:47:55,725 --> 00:47:59,325 We have a petition to block 1351 00:47:59,529 --> 00:48:00,960 the beach recreational scandal 1352 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:00,664 to stop the illegal 1353 00:48:00,664 --> 00:48:02,664 commercialization and 1354 00:48:06,436 --> 00:48:06,836 privatization of Torrey Pines 1355 00:48:06,836 --> 00:48:07,404 Glider Park. 1356 00:48:07,404 --> 00:48:10,404 What else do we have? 1357 00:48:12,175 --> 00:48:12,876 We have unanimous letter of 1358 00:48:12,876 --> 00:48:13,577 support from La Hoya Town 1359 00:48:13,577 --> 00:48:15,577 Council Locations Association 1360 00:48:18,114 --> 00:48:18,714 to Stop the corruption out of 1361 00:48:18,714 --> 00:48:19,449 your administration and 1362 00:48:19,449 --> 00:48:21,849 reconvene Torrey Pines Advisory 1363 00:48:24,788 --> 00:48:25,154 Board for Public Safety and 1364 00:48:25,154 --> 00:48:25,856 Oversight. 1365 00:48:25,856 --> 00:48:28,856 Why haven't you taken action? 1366 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,940 What City Council has a 1367 00:48:31,940 --> 00:48:31,795 beautiful proven solution known 1368 00:48:31,795 --> 00:48:34,795 as the San Diego Recreational 1369 00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:36,700 Waiver that would end 1370 00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:37,334 the dispute on your desk? 1371 00:48:37,334 --> 00:48:39,734 The San Diego recreational 1372 00:48:41,671 --> 00:48:42,339 waiver stops the city lease 1373 00:48:42,339 --> 00:48:42,939 over internal corruption by 1374 00:48:42,939 --> 00:48:44,939 separating the business. 1375 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:47,544 You're out of control Business 1376 00:48:47,544 --> 00:48:48,277 from public access. 1377 00:48:48,277 --> 00:48:48,911 Your city leaseholder is caught 1378 00:48:48,911 --> 00:48:50,911 blatantly robbing America 1379 00:48:54,151 --> 00:48:54,651 forcing citizens into an 1380 00:48:54,651 --> 00:48:55,318 illegal contract. 1381 00:48:55,318 --> 00:48:59,322 It is your job to stop it. 1382 00:48:59,322 --> 00:48:59,990 The City Council is ultimately 1383 00:48:59,990 --> 00:49:00,691 liable and needs to address 1384 00:49:00,691 --> 00:49:03,910 victims and witness witnesses 1385 00:49:06,930 --> 00:49:07,798 who have been damaged. 1386 00:49:07,798 --> 00:49:08,565 >> The San Diego Your time has 1387 00:49:08,565 --> 00:49:11,565 concluded Judy Strang if you 1388 00:49:12,369 --> 00:49:13,690 can please on know the five 1389 00:49:13,690 --> 00:49:13,770 minute timer is also concluded 1390 00:49:13,770 --> 00:49:16,770 No additional speakers will be 1391 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,274 taken to restrain and then 1392 00:49:17,274 --> 00:49:17,741 hector Me? 1393 00:49:17,741 --> 00:49:18,175 >> Yes. 1394 00:49:18,175 --> 00:49:18,909 Good morning. 1395 00:49:18,909 --> 00:49:21,909 Thank you for this opportunity 1396 00:49:22,479 --> 00:49:22,846 to speak to you from my 1397 00:49:22,846 --> 00:49:23,547 workshop. 1398 00:49:23,547 --> 00:49:23,880 I do not take this opportunity 1399 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,880 lightly. 1400 00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:29,620 I wanted to share with you that 1401 00:49:29,620 --> 00:49:32,620 California is an act of 1402 00:49:33,657 --> 00:49:34,291 the first law ab 455 that 1403 00:49:34,291 --> 00:49:34,958 requires sellers of single 1404 00:49:34,958 --> 00:49:37,958 family homes to disclose in 1405 00:49:39,563 --> 00:49:40,229 writing any known indoor 1406 00:49:40,229 --> 00:49:42,629 smoking, vaping or thirdhand 1407 00:49:44,968 --> 00:49:45,569 smoking or vapor contamination 1408 00:49:45,569 --> 00:49:47,569 to prospective buyers. 1409 00:49:51,675 --> 00:49:52,342 This is marijuana or tobacco. 1410 00:49:52,342 --> 00:49:55,342 Third hand smoke refers to 1411 00:49:57,247 --> 00:49:58,480 toxic residue left behind from 1412 00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:58,749 smoke or vapor When they settle 1413 00:49:58,749 --> 00:50:01,149 into surfaces into building 1414 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:04,455 materials. 1415 00:50:04,455 --> 00:50:05,122 These pollutants are classified 1416 00:50:05,122 --> 00:50:07,522 under Prop 65 as carcinogens 1417 00:50:09,993 --> 00:50:10,694 and reproductive toxins because 1418 00:50:10,694 --> 00:50:11,394 they can persist for years and 1419 00:50:11,394 --> 00:50:13,794 pose particular risks to 1420 00:50:15,733 --> 00:50:16,433 children, the elderly and 1421 00:50:16,433 --> 00:50:18,433 immunocompromised individuals. 1422 00:50:22,172 --> 00:50:22,906 It's very hard to remove Baby 1423 00:50:22,906 --> 00:50:25,906 four by five classifies third 1424 00:50:28,450 --> 00:50:28,745 hand Smoke is an environmental 1425 00:50:28,745 --> 00:50:29,313 hazard comparable to investors 1426 00:50:29,313 --> 00:50:31,713 radon and lead paint. 1427 00:50:34,418 --> 00:50:35,520 I bring this to your attention 1428 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:35,452 because it is the first in 1429 00:50:35,452 --> 00:50:37,452 the nation. 1430 00:50:40,658 --> 00:50:41,358 It's so pervasive that it 1431 00:50:41,358 --> 00:50:42,590 becomes part of the California 1432 00:50:42,590 --> 00:50:42,660 Department of Toxic Substances 1433 00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:45,660 Control and it'll go in 1434 00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:47,298 the homeowner's Guide to 1435 00:50:47,298 --> 00:50:47,898 Environmental Hazards. 1436 00:50:47,898 --> 00:50:50,298 It's significant that it 1437 00:50:52,536 --> 00:50:53,237 recognizes the role of tobacco 1438 00:50:53,237 --> 00:50:53,871 and marijuana smoke and vapor 1439 00:50:53,871 --> 00:50:54,238 in the health of everyone 1440 00:50:54,238 --> 00:50:56,238 around us. 1441 00:50:58,542 --> 00:50:59,243 One has to ask ourselves here 1442 00:50:59,243 --> 00:50:59,909 in the city why we have 1443 00:50:59,909 --> 00:51:02,309 businesses that promote and 1444 00:51:05,315 --> 00:51:05,983 make available those things 1445 00:51:05,983 --> 00:51:06,684 that can be smoked and baked 1446 00:51:06,684 --> 00:51:07,251 when it's so clearly hazardous 1447 00:51:07,251 --> 00:51:10,251 to all of our health. 1448 00:51:11,755 --> 00:51:12,323 Thank you. 1449 00:51:12,323 --> 00:51:12,990 >> Thank you. 1450 00:51:12,990 --> 00:51:13,324 And our final speaker is 1451 00:51:13,324 --> 00:51:15,324 Hector. 1452 00:51:17,161 --> 00:51:17,928 If you can please unmute. 1453 00:51:17,928 --> 00:51:18,328 Thanks for taking my call to 1454 00:51:18,328 --> 00:51:20,328 Hector here. 1455 00:51:24,168 --> 00:51:24,902 I got another message to 1456 00:51:24,902 --> 00:51:25,602 the people the occupiers of San 1457 00:51:25,602 --> 00:51:28,200 Diego County counter invaders 1458 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:29,874 and here illegally that are 1459 00:51:29,874 --> 00:51:30,241 using our benefits medical 1460 00:51:30,241 --> 00:51:32,241 benefits. 1461 00:51:35,412 --> 00:51:36,470 It was in the paper that 75,000 1462 00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:36,513 guys on Medicare that are 1463 00:51:36,513 --> 00:51:38,513 illegal aliens. 1464 00:51:42,152 --> 00:51:42,819 So there's a these guys get to 1465 00:51:42,819 --> 00:51:45,819 take their bodies and their 1466 00:51:49,527 --> 00:51:49,994 families and go back to their 1467 00:51:49,994 --> 00:51:50,694 countries, man. 1468 00:51:50,694 --> 00:51:51,329 MR. Trump, you got your number 1469 00:51:51,329 --> 00:51:51,696 now you got those illegal 1470 00:51:51,696 --> 00:51:53,696 benefits. 1471 00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:54,699 You don't want to have 1472 00:51:54,699 --> 00:51:55,366 the knock on the door when I 1473 00:51:55,366 --> 00:51:58,366 start wrapping up the raids. 1474 00:52:00,137 --> 00:52:00,805 So if you care about your 1475 00:52:00,805 --> 00:52:01,839 family, sit down with them. 1476 00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:05,376 I go back to wherever it is we 1477 00:52:05,376 --> 00:52:06,100 came from because we're afraid 1478 00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:06,643 of the knock on the door. 1479 00:52:06,643 --> 00:52:09,643 You know, if that's what's 1480 00:52:12,749 --> 00:52:13,149 going to happen they know where 1481 00:52:13,149 --> 00:52:14,218 you're not. 1482 00:52:14,218 --> 00:52:17,989 So to actually free up a lot of 1483 00:52:17,989 --> 00:52:20,389 housing for American citizens 1484 00:52:21,391 --> 00:52:22,930 in San Diego County just like 1485 00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:25,930 the 75,000 people have to go, 1486 00:52:26,497 --> 00:52:27,230 that's probably 120,000 people. 1487 00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:30,830 That's got to lower the rent. 1488 00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:32,770 It'll create less traffic on 1489 00:52:32,770 --> 00:52:36,970 the freeways, open up a lot of 1490 00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:38,910 jobs for American citizens. 1491 00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:39,810 And we can go about trying to 1492 00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:43,410 build that dam before it breaks 1493 00:52:44,982 --> 00:52:45,683 And so if it does break up 1494 00:52:45,683 --> 00:52:46,840 there, it might wipe out Bill 1495 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,840 Gates house. 1496 00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:50,421 You've got a house on the beach 1497 00:52:50,421 --> 00:52:51,189 down there. 1498 00:52:51,189 --> 00:52:51,955 Maybe it'll be a good thing if 1499 00:52:51,955 --> 00:52:55,555 it does break takes out Bill 1500 00:52:56,193 --> 00:52:56,661 Gates House and we can move on 1501 00:52:56,661 --> 00:52:56,960 with our lives. 1502 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:57,395 Okay. 1503 00:52:57,395 --> 00:52:57,762 Thanks a lot. 1504 00:52:57,762 --> 00:52:59,762 Thank you. 1505 00:53:01,366 --> 00:53:01,999 That concludes our agenda 1506 00:53:01,999 --> 00:53:02,333 Public comment for today's 1507 00:53:02,333 --> 00:53:03,000 meeting. 1508 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,600 I thank you, City Clerk And 1509 00:53:06,671 --> 00:53:07,372 with that we will now adjourn 1510 00:53:07,372 --> 00:53:08,390 for the noon recess and 1511 00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:10,439 reconvene open session at 2 1512 00:53:52,256 --> 00:53:52,723 I can count to five. 1513 00:53:52,723 --> 00:53:53,490 Good afternoon. 1514 00:53:53,490 --> 00:53:57,900 I will now reconvene the City 1515 00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:58,495 council meeting of Tuesday 1516 00:53:58,495 --> 00:53:59,960 MARCH 3rd, 2026. 1517 00:53:59,960 --> 00:53:59,462 >> Please call the roll. 1518 00:53:59,462 --> 00:54:00,960 Thank you. 1519 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,960 Council PRESIDENT Council 1520 00:54:04,340 --> 00:54:04,735 member Campbell Councilmember 1521 00:54:04,735 --> 00:54:06,735 Whitburn Councilmember Foster 1522 00:54:09,907 --> 00:54:10,707 Councilmember Bunuel for 1523 00:54:10,707 --> 00:54:13,707 Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee 1524 00:54:15,713 --> 00:54:16,379 Councilmember Campeon 1525 00:54:16,379 --> 00:54:17,810 Councilmember Moreno Present 1526 00:54:17,810 --> 00:54:19,481 Councilmember Eloy Rivera and 1527 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,254 Council PRESIDENT LaCava 1528 00:54:23,254 --> 00:54:23,988 present. 1529 00:54:23,988 --> 00:54:24,722 Also taking the meeting are Sin 1530 00:54:24,722 --> 00:54:27,122 City Attorney Michelle Garland, 1531 00:54:28,292 --> 00:54:29,260 independent budget analyst 1532 00:54:29,260 --> 00:54:29,727 Charles Monaco, Council Affairs 1533 00:54:29,727 --> 00:54:30,394 advisor and the Mayor's office 1534 00:54:30,394 --> 00:54:33,994 for I'm sorry and myself our 1535 00:54:34,650 --> 00:54:34,764 city clerk Diana Fuentes. 1536 00:54:34,764 --> 00:54:35,132 >> Thank you Council PRESIDENT 1537 00:54:35,132 --> 00:54:35,833 All right. 1538 00:54:35,833 --> 00:54:39,235 Thank you city clerk for that. 1539 00:54:39,235 --> 00:54:39,970 The quorum is now present. 1540 00:54:39,970 --> 00:54:42,370 >> clerk Please introduce item 1541 00:54:44,174 --> 00:54:44,775 three three zero three Council 1542 00:54:44,775 --> 00:54:45,375 PRESIDENT Item 330 As an 1543 00:54:45,375 --> 00:54:45,979 informational item it is 1544 00:54:45,979 --> 00:54:46,610 the performance audit of 1545 00:54:46,610 --> 00:54:49,100 the city's key performance 1546 00:54:51,215 --> 00:54:52,149 indicators. 1547 00:54:52,149 --> 00:54:52,817 If you'd like to speak to this 1548 00:54:52,817 --> 00:54:53,517 item please submit a speaker 1549 00:54:53,517 --> 00:54:54,184 slip to the front of the room 1550 00:54:54,184 --> 00:54:56,387 in the clear box If you are 1551 00:54:56,387 --> 00:54:57,870 participating remotely now's 1552 00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:57,821 the time to raise your hand by 1553 00:54:57,821 --> 00:54:58,289 pressing Star nine or the raise 1554 00:54:58,289 --> 00:55:00,289 your hand icon. 1555 00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:03,261 Thank you Council for that. 1556 00:55:03,261 --> 00:55:04,280 All right Thank you With that 1557 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,280 staff as you're trying to 1558 00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:08,900 settle in, please introduce 1559 00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:09,666 yourselves for the record and 1560 00:55:09,666 --> 00:55:13,866 let us know how much time you 1561 00:55:13,904 --> 00:55:14,405 need. 1562 00:55:14,405 --> 00:55:15,390 Good afternoon. 1563 00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:17,390 Council PRESIDENT Council 1564 00:55:19,843 --> 00:55:20,644 Members Andy House City Auditor 1565 00:55:20,644 --> 00:55:21,378 We are here to present our 1566 00:55:21,378 --> 00:55:23,981 performance audit of the city's 1567 00:55:23,981 --> 00:55:24,749 key performance indicators or 1568 00:55:24,749 --> 00:55:25,216 KPIs And we have about ten 1569 00:55:25,216 --> 00:55:25,583 minutes please. 1570 00:55:25,583 --> 00:55:26,830 All right. 1571 00:55:26,830 --> 00:55:28,830 When you're ready. 1572 00:55:29,953 --> 00:55:30,587 Thank you. 1573 00:55:30,587 --> 00:55:31,322 According to the city's 1574 00:55:31,322 --> 00:55:31,989 strategic plan, the city values 1575 00:55:31,989 --> 00:55:34,989 transparency and the use of 1576 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:36,126 data to make informed 1577 00:55:36,126 --> 00:55:36,960 decisions. 1578 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:37,695 To that end, kpi should be a 1579 00:55:37,695 --> 00:55:40,950 key management and transparency 1580 00:55:41,898 --> 00:55:42,500 tool. 1581 00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:43,167 But we found the city 1582 00:55:43,167 --> 00:55:43,834 underutilized as them due to 1583 00:55:43,834 --> 00:55:46,234 concerns about accuracy and 1584 00:55:47,905 --> 00:55:48,639 relevance and a lack of venues 1585 00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:49,240 for the City Council to discuss 1586 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,640 and provide feedback on 1587 00:55:53,244 --> 00:55:53,944 the KPIs departments produce. 1588 00:55:53,944 --> 00:55:54,645 We want to thank 1589 00:55:54,645 --> 00:55:55,312 the performance and analytics 1590 00:55:55,312 --> 00:55:55,980 department for all of their 1591 00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:58,980 assistance on this audit and 1592 00:55:59,984 --> 00:56:00,684 all the city departments and 1593 00:56:00,684 --> 00:56:01,385 council offices who responded 1594 00:56:01,385 --> 00:56:05,389 to our survey on how they use 1595 00:56:05,389 --> 00:56:05,790 KPIs and their suggestions for 1596 00:56:05,790 --> 00:56:06,524 improvement. 1597 00:56:06,524 --> 00:56:10,124 We heard back from almost every 1598 00:56:10,728 --> 00:56:11,496 department and council office 1599 00:56:11,496 --> 00:56:12,196 and we appreciate all the time 1600 00:56:12,196 --> 00:56:12,863 and feedback you are provided 1601 00:56:12,863 --> 00:56:15,863 to help this audit identify 1602 00:56:17,535 --> 00:56:18,235 many key issues and make 1603 00:56:18,235 --> 00:56:18,936 actionable recommendations to 1604 00:56:18,936 --> 00:56:21,936 improve the usefulness of KPIs 1605 00:56:23,808 --> 00:56:24,575 for various stakeholders. 1606 00:56:24,575 --> 00:56:25,276 The audit team with me here 1607 00:56:25,276 --> 00:56:25,914 today is Principal Performance 1608 00:56:25,914 --> 00:56:28,314 Auditor Nathan Auto Senior 1609 00:56:30,114 --> 00:56:30,848 performance under Nicky Thomas 1610 00:56:30,848 --> 00:56:31,582 and performance auditor Alberto 1611 00:56:31,582 --> 00:56:32,216 Mario and I handed over to them 1612 00:56:32,216 --> 00:56:35,420 for the details on what we 1613 00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:35,920 found and recommended. 1614 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:36,588 Thanks Andy. 1615 00:56:36,588 --> 00:56:37,121 So for any large complex 1616 00:56:37,121 --> 00:56:37,722 multibillion dollar 1617 00:56:37,722 --> 00:56:39,722 organization performance 1618 00:56:42,326 --> 00:56:42,960 measurement is an essential 1619 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:43,594 tool in this case allowing 1620 00:56:43,594 --> 00:56:44,295 residents and taxpayers to 1621 00:56:44,295 --> 00:56:47,832 monitor and engage with how we 1622 00:56:47,832 --> 00:56:48,532 as a city are performing. 1623 00:56:48,532 --> 00:56:49,267 And as you're aware, of course 1624 00:56:49,267 --> 00:56:49,834 the city is facing considerable 1625 00:56:49,834 --> 00:56:51,834 fiscal challenges for 1626 00:56:54,505 --> 00:56:55,173 the foreseeable future which 1627 00:56:55,173 --> 00:56:55,873 makes performance monitoring 1628 00:56:55,873 --> 00:56:56,274 just that much more important. 1629 00:56:56,274 --> 00:56:58,274 You can see. 1630 00:56:59,710 --> 00:57:00,244 Three formal audit objectives 1631 00:57:00,244 --> 00:57:00,979 there on the slide. 1632 00:57:00,979 --> 00:57:01,345 But overall we had two formal 1633 00:57:01,345 --> 00:57:03,345 findings. 1634 00:57:05,817 --> 00:57:06,484 And broadly we found that KPIs 1635 00:57:06,484 --> 00:57:06,784 are underutilized like Andy 1636 00:57:06,784 --> 00:57:07,451 said. 1637 00:57:07,451 --> 00:57:08,186 The result of that is that a 1638 00:57:08,186 --> 00:57:11,786 city is missing chances to make 1639 00:57:11,856 --> 00:57:12,590 the best data driven decisions 1640 00:57:12,590 --> 00:57:13,157 in monitoring for key services. 1641 00:57:13,157 --> 00:57:13,858 We found that improved 1642 00:57:13,858 --> 00:57:17,458 oversight of the city's kpi is 1643 00:57:17,828 --> 00:57:18,296 needed to ensure accuracy and 1644 00:57:18,296 --> 00:57:18,997 accountability. 1645 00:57:18,997 --> 00:57:22,597 And a formal kpi philosophy is 1646 00:57:23,968 --> 00:57:24,302 needed to improve comparability 1647 00:57:24,302 --> 00:57:25,690 . 1648 00:57:25,690 --> 00:57:25,770 So we made five recommendations 1649 00:57:25,770 --> 00:57:26,504 to address the issues we found 1650 00:57:26,504 --> 00:57:30,104 and the management did agree to 1651 00:57:30,809 --> 00:57:31,542 all of those recommendations. 1652 00:57:31,542 --> 00:57:32,276 So that's a good thing. 1653 00:57:32,276 --> 00:57:36,414 And just the last slide for me 1654 00:57:36,414 --> 00:57:37,215 here just by way of background 1655 00:57:37,215 --> 00:57:37,948 KPIs as you know are reported 1656 00:57:37,948 --> 00:57:38,683 annually and published for each 1657 00:57:38,683 --> 00:57:41,683 department in the city's budget 1658 00:57:43,121 --> 00:57:43,888 documents. 1659 00:57:43,888 --> 00:57:44,488 There's also a kpi dashboard 1660 00:57:44,488 --> 00:57:45,223 but you can see the more 1661 00:57:45,223 --> 00:57:48,223 familiar version there the blue 1662 00:57:48,893 --> 00:57:49,461 and white table that is in 1663 00:57:49,461 --> 00:57:50,160 the budget documents. 1664 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:50,761 This is a generic form here to 1665 00:57:50,761 --> 00:57:53,761 keep your eyes include a 1666 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:55,867 baseline which is based off of 1667 00:57:55,867 --> 00:57:58,867 recent historical data and a 1668 00:58:00,638 --> 00:58:01,338 goal set by the Department. 1669 00:58:01,338 --> 00:58:01,939 And performance and analytics 1670 00:58:01,939 --> 00:58:02,640 plays a supporting role. 1671 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:03,400 But the departments have a lot 1672 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,400 of autonomy. 1673 00:58:07,779 --> 00:58:08,413 They're responsible for 1674 00:58:08,413 --> 00:58:09,460 selecting, monitoring and 1675 00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:09,414 reporting their own KPIs. 1676 00:58:09,414 --> 00:58:09,915 Go ahead. 1677 00:58:09,915 --> 00:58:11,915 I'll happen again. 1678 00:58:13,852 --> 00:58:14,386 Another time for the findings 1679 00:58:14,386 --> 00:58:15,860 and recommendations. 1680 00:58:15,860 --> 00:58:18,860 I looked at performance order 1681 00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:19,157 in this project and finding 1682 00:58:19,157 --> 00:58:19,958 one. 1683 00:58:19,958 --> 00:58:20,659 We found that in our survey of 1684 00:58:20,659 --> 00:58:23,595 city council offices and city 1685 00:58:23,595 --> 00:58:24,329 departments only one out of 1686 00:58:24,329 --> 00:58:25,290 seven council officers and nine 1687 00:58:25,290 --> 00:58:25,730 out of 27 departments reported 1688 00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:28,730 routinely using KPIs to inform 1689 00:58:29,567 --> 00:58:30,135 budget policy and or 1690 00:58:30,135 --> 00:58:30,668 operational decisions. 1691 00:58:30,668 --> 00:58:31,303 Thus the city is not 1692 00:58:31,303 --> 00:58:33,703 consistently using KPIs to 1693 00:58:35,306 --> 00:58:36,700 inform high level decisions. 1694 00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:36,508 When used correctly, KPIs can 1695 00:58:36,508 --> 00:58:36,941 lead to meaningful 1696 00:58:36,941 --> 00:58:38,941 improvements. 1697 00:58:40,878 --> 00:58:41,546 We found examples of city 1698 00:58:41,546 --> 00:58:42,180 departments and other cities 1699 00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:42,914 using KPIs to help deliver 1700 00:58:42,914 --> 00:58:45,314 improved outcomes for residents 1701 00:58:46,785 --> 00:58:47,219 and evaluate present programs 1702 00:58:47,219 --> 00:58:47,885 and services. 1703 00:58:47,885 --> 00:58:48,520 For example, quotes on this 1704 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,187 slide are from our survey 1705 00:58:49,187 --> 00:58:51,587 showing specific examples of 1706 00:58:52,991 --> 00:58:53,524 how departments have used KPIs 1707 00:58:53,524 --> 00:58:54,192 for decision making. 1708 00:58:54,192 --> 00:58:54,893 The Office of the City Clerk 1709 00:58:54,893 --> 00:58:55,594 used their performance data to 1710 00:58:55,594 --> 00:58:57,594 improve customer satisfaction. 1711 00:58:59,397 --> 00:59:00,131 Similarly the library 1712 00:59:00,131 --> 00:59:00,765 department use their kpi to not 1713 00:59:00,765 --> 00:59:01,433 only improve their future 1714 00:59:01,433 --> 00:59:03,833 performance but also taking 1715 00:59:04,736 --> 00:59:05,370 actions to meet 1716 00:59:05,370 --> 00:59:05,804 the accessibility needs of 1717 00:59:05,804 --> 00:59:06,505 the community. 1718 00:59:06,505 --> 00:59:07,239 There are limited controls and 1719 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:10,175 oversight that would ensure key 1720 00:59:10,175 --> 00:59:10,742 performance indicators are 1721 00:59:10,742 --> 00:59:11,442 accurate and reliable. 1722 00:59:11,442 --> 00:59:14,442 For example part of Council 1723 00:59:15,414 --> 00:59:15,948 policy 000-02 requires 1724 00:59:15,948 --> 00:59:16,615 departments provide 1725 00:59:16,615 --> 00:59:17,215 explanations for performance 1726 00:59:17,215 --> 00:59:19,615 measures not meeting or 1727 00:59:21,553 --> 00:59:22,221 training towards performance 1728 00:59:22,221 --> 00:59:22,921 targets shown on the slide. 1729 00:59:22,921 --> 00:59:23,555 We found that departments were 1730 00:59:23,555 --> 00:59:25,555 not consistently provided 1731 00:59:26,992 --> 00:59:27,692 explanations. 1732 00:59:27,692 --> 00:59:28,193 Additionally for the past for 1733 00:59:28,193 --> 00:59:28,827 the last ten years 1734 00:59:28,827 --> 00:59:29,428 the Statement of Budgetary 1735 00:59:29,428 --> 00:59:31,428 Principles has included 1736 00:59:33,531 --> 00:59:34,166 guidance for KPIs to be 1737 00:59:34,166 --> 00:59:34,732 reviewed at the Budget and 1738 00:59:34,732 --> 00:59:35,100 Government Efficiency 1739 00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:35,801 Committee. 1740 00:59:35,801 --> 00:59:38,801 However, we found no evidence 1741 00:59:39,571 --> 00:59:40,205 that KPIs have been discussed 1742 00:59:40,205 --> 00:59:41,106 in a systematic or regular 1743 00:59:41,106 --> 00:59:43,608 manner at b n g from fiscal 1744 00:59:43,608 --> 00:59:43,909 year 2015 through fiscal year 1745 00:59:43,909 --> 00:59:44,643 2025. 1746 00:59:44,643 --> 00:59:47,643 Reviewing performance data on a 1747 00:59:49,681 --> 00:59:50,315 regular basis can help identify 1748 00:59:50,315 --> 00:59:51,500 trends before they become 1749 00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:51,650 problems and help ensure timely 1750 00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:52,251 performance management. 1751 00:59:52,251 --> 00:59:54,651 Because kpi has received 1752 00:59:56,655 --> 00:59:57,289 limited scrutiny and 1753 00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:58,230 examination, a standalone 1754 00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:58,656 performance report specifically 1755 00:59:58,656 --> 01:00:01,560 for KPIs could strengthen 1756 01:00:01,660 --> 01:00:02,293 oversight create a culture of 1757 01:00:02,293 --> 01:00:02,994 continuous improvement and 1758 01:00:02,994 --> 01:00:03,595 promote performance monitoring 1759 01:00:03,595 --> 01:00:06,595 as a year round activity 1760 01:00:08,834 --> 01:00:09,434 inaccurate or unreliable KPIs 1761 01:00:09,434 --> 01:00:10,100 put the city at risk of 1762 01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:10,602 inaccurate performance 1763 01:00:10,602 --> 01:00:11,303 assessments resulting in 1764 01:00:11,303 --> 01:00:13,703 improper policy or management 1765 01:00:15,307 --> 01:00:16,108 decisions. 1766 01:00:16,108 --> 01:00:16,808 Shown on the Slide 11 different 1767 01:00:16,808 --> 01:00:17,509 audits by oci have identified 1768 01:00:17,509 --> 01:00:20,509 various issues with KPIs that 1769 01:00:21,146 --> 01:00:21,847 were unrealistic, inaccurate, 1770 01:00:21,847 --> 01:00:22,314 not relevant or did not follow 1771 01:00:22,314 --> 01:00:22,948 best practices. 1772 01:00:22,948 --> 01:00:25,948 We also found that council 1773 01:00:26,452 --> 01:00:27,860 officers have concerns 1774 01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:27,753 regarding the accuracy of 1775 01:00:27,753 --> 01:00:28,152 the current KPIs reported in 1776 01:00:28,152 --> 01:00:28,787 the budget. 1777 01:00:28,787 --> 01:00:31,187 Although pen requires all 1778 01:00:32,957 --> 01:00:33,658 the city's KPIs to meet certain 1779 01:00:33,658 --> 01:00:34,326 standards such as calculation 1780 01:00:34,326 --> 01:00:34,994 methodology and it does not 1781 01:00:34,994 --> 01:00:37,863 have the capacity to check a 1782 01:00:37,863 --> 01:00:38,563 kpi for accuracy Thus 1783 01:00:38,563 --> 01:00:39,131 publishing the kpi calculation 1784 01:00:39,131 --> 01:00:39,698 methodology and annual 1785 01:00:39,698 --> 01:00:41,698 performance report can 1786 01:00:44,570 --> 01:00:45,271 strengthen the oversight of 1787 01:00:45,271 --> 01:00:46,500 KPIs by providing a dedicated 1788 01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:49,500 forum for departments to review 1789 01:00:49,808 --> 01:00:50,509 their kpi methodologies and 1790 01:00:50,509 --> 01:00:51,430 potentially discuss them with 1791 01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:51,443 City Council or city 1792 01:00:51,443 --> 01:00:53,443 leadership. 1793 01:00:56,114 --> 01:00:56,682 The city's KPIs are currently 1794 01:00:56,682 --> 01:00:57,250 published in tables in 1795 01:00:57,250 --> 01:00:57,883 the annual Budget and 1796 01:00:57,883 --> 01:00:58,516 the performance dashboard. 1797 01:00:58,516 --> 01:01:01,516 However, the city does not 1798 01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,254 publish tables or graphs with 1799 01:01:02,254 --> 01:01:02,954 historical kpi data. 1800 01:01:02,954 --> 01:01:03,589 We found that most cities that 1801 01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:05,989 we benchmark publish their 1802 01:01:07,292 --> 01:01:07,793 historical performance in 1803 01:01:07,793 --> 01:01:08,494 online dashboards. 1804 01:01:08,494 --> 01:01:09,161 Therefore the city can improve 1805 01:01:09,161 --> 01:01:12,161 its online kpi dashboard by 1806 01:01:13,766 --> 01:01:14,233 incorporating visuals and 1807 01:01:14,233 --> 01:01:14,833 historical data. 1808 01:01:14,833 --> 01:01:15,433 Being able to visualize 1809 01:01:15,433 --> 01:01:16,102 historical data can help 1810 01:01:16,102 --> 01:01:18,102 identify performance trends 1811 01:01:20,573 --> 01:01:21,207 over time and improve 1812 01:01:21,207 --> 01:01:21,907 monitoring and oversight. 1813 01:01:21,907 --> 01:01:22,608 As a supplement to this audit 1814 01:01:22,608 --> 01:01:25,608 report we built a performance 1815 01:01:26,112 --> 01:01:26,812 dashboard which is shown on 1816 01:01:26,812 --> 01:01:27,513 the right as an example of how 1817 01:01:27,513 --> 01:01:28,213 the city's dashboard could be 1818 01:01:28,213 --> 01:01:30,613 improved to include historical 1819 01:01:32,551 --> 01:01:33,285 trends and description. 1820 01:01:33,285 --> 01:01:34,190 You can access the city. 1821 01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:34,654 You can access the dashboard we 1822 01:01:34,654 --> 01:01:37,654 created to view the city's 1823 01:01:38,257 --> 01:01:38,857 current KPIs at the link on our 1824 01:01:38,857 --> 01:01:39,524 slide and in our report. 1825 01:01:39,524 --> 01:01:40,920 Therefore in this finding we 1826 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,920 recommend developing a 1827 01:01:44,363 --> 01:01:44,964 publishing an annual 1828 01:01:44,964 --> 01:01:45,665 performance report for 1829 01:01:45,665 --> 01:01:46,332 the city's KPIs creating a kpi 1830 01:01:46,332 --> 01:01:48,732 data validation process and 1831 01:01:50,269 --> 01:01:50,970 ensure accuracy of the city's 1832 01:01:50,970 --> 01:01:51,604 KPIs and developing a publicly 1833 01:01:51,604 --> 01:01:53,604 accessible dashboard that 1834 01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:58,210 includes historical performance 1835 01:01:58,210 --> 01:01:58,911 . 1836 01:01:58,911 --> 01:01:59,311 Nick You know what you're 1837 01:01:59,311 --> 01:02:00,790 finding too. 1838 01:02:00,790 --> 01:02:02,481 Thank you all there To become a 1839 01:02:02,481 --> 01:02:02,915 senior performance auditor on 1840 01:02:02,915 --> 01:02:03,583 this project. 1841 01:02:03,583 --> 01:02:04,183 In finding two we found that 1842 01:02:04,183 --> 01:02:04,783 Panda provides support, 1843 01:02:04,783 --> 01:02:07,183 training and guidance to 1844 01:02:09,550 --> 01:02:09,688 departments on their KPIs but 1845 01:02:09,688 --> 01:02:10,356 the three does not have a 1846 01:02:10,356 --> 01:02:10,923 formal enforceable policy on 1847 01:02:10,923 --> 01:02:13,323 whether kpi should be 1848 01:02:15,260 --> 01:02:15,661 aspirational or realistically 1849 01:02:15,661 --> 01:02:16,395 achievable. 1850 01:02:16,395 --> 01:02:19,395 For example, one department may 1851 01:02:20,433 --> 01:02:21,100 set aspirational kpi goals 1852 01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:21,801 meaning at the ideal service 1853 01:02:21,801 --> 01:02:22,368 level and therefore MAY not be 1854 01:02:22,368 --> 01:02:25,368 able to achieve all of 1855 01:02:26,939 --> 01:02:27,506 the goals with their 1856 01:02:27,506 --> 01:02:27,874 department's budgeted 1857 01:02:27,874 --> 01:02:28,474 resources. 1858 01:02:28,474 --> 01:02:29,175 At the same time another 1859 01:02:29,175 --> 01:02:32,175 department means that its kpi 1860 01:02:32,612 --> 01:02:33,279 goals to be attainable and 1861 01:02:33,279 --> 01:02:33,880 therefore can report meeting 1862 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:34,614 all of their kpi goals. 1863 01:02:34,614 --> 01:02:38,214 Thus we found that meeting a 1864 01:02:38,818 --> 01:02:39,518 kpi goal is not necessarily 1865 01:02:39,518 --> 01:02:39,952 indicative of how a department 1866 01:02:39,952 --> 01:02:41,952 is performing. 1867 01:02:44,123 --> 01:02:44,724 As a result, as you can see on 1868 01:02:44,724 --> 01:02:45,391 the graph we found that 1869 01:02:45,391 --> 01:02:46,590 the percent of KPIs that met 1870 01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:48,459 their targets varies widely 1871 01:02:50,696 --> 01:02:51,497 across city departments ranging 1872 01:02:51,497 --> 01:02:52,165 from 0% to 100% due to 1873 01:02:52,165 --> 01:02:55,165 the differing ways in which 1874 01:02:56,336 --> 01:02:57,103 departments select kpi goals. 1875 01:02:57,103 --> 01:02:57,803 It is unclear what conclusions 1876 01:02:57,803 --> 01:03:00,803 decision makers and the public 1877 01:03:02,808 --> 01:03:03,576 are supposed to reach. 1878 01:03:03,576 --> 01:03:04,277 Further, our survey found mixed 1879 01:03:04,277 --> 01:03:04,810 beliefs on whether kpi should 1880 01:03:04,810 --> 01:03:05,244 be more realistic or 1881 01:03:05,244 --> 01:03:07,244 aspirational. 1882 01:03:08,814 --> 01:03:09,281 The quotes on this slide are 1883 01:03:09,281 --> 01:03:10,150 from our survey. 1884 01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:13,615 One response is that kpi should 1885 01:03:14,530 --> 01:03:14,754 be aspirational so council can 1886 01:03:14,754 --> 01:03:15,121 decide if increased budget is 1887 01:03:15,121 --> 01:03:15,721 required. 1888 01:03:15,721 --> 01:03:16,456 But the other state that 1889 01:03:16,456 --> 01:03:19,456 aspirational KPIs could lead to 1890 01:03:20,493 --> 01:03:20,893 unreasonable expectations from 1891 01:03:20,893 --> 01:03:21,561 the public. 1892 01:03:21,561 --> 01:03:22,228 Most departments and council 1893 01:03:22,228 --> 01:03:25,228 offices that took our survey 1894 01:03:26,499 --> 01:03:27,200 did agree that departments 1895 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:27,767 should have at least one 1896 01:03:27,767 --> 01:03:28,267 realistic kpi and one 1897 01:03:28,267 --> 01:03:30,267 aspirational kpi. 1898 01:03:32,705 --> 01:03:33,406 Thus a city wide kpi policy 1899 01:03:33,406 --> 01:03:34,140 where departments must clearly 1900 01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:37,740 define if a target is realistic 1901 01:03:38,611 --> 01:03:39,245 or aspirational would help city 1902 01:03:39,245 --> 01:03:39,913 council and the public to 1903 01:03:39,913 --> 01:03:40,647 compare KPIs across the city 1904 01:03:40,647 --> 01:03:44,247 and understand how a kpi should 1905 01:03:44,451 --> 01:03:45,118 be used. 1906 01:03:45,118 --> 01:03:45,818 Finally at the time of 1907 01:03:45,818 --> 01:03:46,519 the audit the city Attorney's 1908 01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:49,519 office was the only department 1909 01:03:51,123 --> 01:03:51,825 without at least one kpi due to 1910 01:03:51,825 --> 01:03:52,592 its concern that certain KPIs 1911 01:03:52,592 --> 01:03:56,192 could lead to the perception of 1912 01:03:56,429 --> 01:03:57,163 improper motives or incentives 1913 01:03:57,163 --> 01:04:00,763 to meet them from their office. 1914 01:04:01,234 --> 01:04:01,902 However we benchmarked against 1915 01:04:01,902 --> 01:04:02,501 eight comparable offices and 1916 01:04:02,501 --> 01:04:03,690 found that many do have 1917 01:04:03,690 --> 01:04:05,690 performance measures. 1918 01:04:07,874 --> 01:04:08,509 Therefore in this finding we 1919 01:04:08,509 --> 01:04:09,142 recommend that panel work 1920 01:04:09,142 --> 01:04:11,142 collaboratively with city 1921 01:04:12,878 --> 01:04:13,579 leadership to create a formal 1922 01:04:13,579 --> 01:04:14,180 policy documenting the city's 1923 01:04:14,180 --> 01:04:14,915 kpi philosophy and that 1924 01:04:14,915 --> 01:04:17,915 the City Attorney's office work 1925 01:04:19,285 --> 01:04:19,886 with Panda to establish and 1926 01:04:19,886 --> 01:04:22,886 report a kpi or KPIs. 1927 01:04:25,358 --> 01:04:26,250 Panda and City management 1928 01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:26,493 agreed to all five of our 1929 01:04:26,493 --> 01:04:27,193 recommendations. 1930 01:04:27,193 --> 01:04:29,829 This is an informational item 1931 01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:30,530 so no action is required and 1932 01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:31,197 we're happy to answer any 1933 01:04:31,197 --> 01:04:34,197 questions that you MAY have. 1934 01:04:36,302 --> 01:04:38,302 Thank you. 1935 01:04:43,142 --> 01:04:43,878 But they were all right. 1936 01:04:43,878 --> 01:04:44,577 >> So we actually have a 1937 01:04:44,577 --> 01:04:44,878 presentation I think first by 1938 01:04:44,878 --> 01:04:46,878 Panda. 1939 01:04:48,815 --> 01:04:49,416 Alex, I want you to inject 1940 01:04:49,416 --> 01:04:49,749 yourself for the record. 1941 01:04:49,749 --> 01:04:50,116 >> Sure. 1942 01:04:50,116 --> 01:04:52,116 Thank you. 1943 01:04:54,221 --> 01:04:54,754 Good afternoon And thank you. 1944 01:04:54,754 --> 01:04:55,588 Counsel Present. 1945 01:04:55,588 --> 01:04:56,122 My name is Alex Compton and I 1946 01:04:56,122 --> 01:04:56,823 serve as director of 1947 01:04:56,823 --> 01:04:59,223 the Performance and Analytics 1948 01:05:00,460 --> 01:05:01,129 Department. 1949 01:05:01,129 --> 01:05:01,828 Our department's mission is 1950 01:05:01,828 --> 01:05:02,128 simple to improve how the city 1951 01:05:02,128 --> 01:05:04,128 works. 1952 01:05:04,898 --> 01:05:05,532 We do that by putting people 1953 01:05:05,532 --> 01:05:06,199 first by making data more 1954 01:05:06,199 --> 01:05:08,599 usable processes easier and 1955 01:05:10,704 --> 01:05:11,370 services better for 1956 01:05:11,370 --> 01:05:11,938 the residents of San Diego. 1957 01:05:11,938 --> 01:05:12,539 I'll say candidly in a 1958 01:05:12,539 --> 01:05:14,539 transparent and holistic 1959 01:05:16,510 --> 01:05:17,770 information sharing hasn't 1960 01:05:17,770 --> 01:05:17,544 always been the city's 1961 01:05:17,544 --> 01:05:18,770 strongest area. 1962 01:05:18,770 --> 01:05:21,770 We know that our key 1963 01:05:22,516 --> 01:05:23,283 performance indicators can and 1964 01:05:23,283 --> 01:05:23,951 must be outcome driven clearer, 1965 01:05:23,951 --> 01:05:24,518 more useful to both decision 1966 01:05:24,518 --> 01:05:26,918 makers and the public. 1967 01:05:29,389 --> 01:05:30,220 The good news is that we are 1968 01:05:30,220 --> 01:05:30,691 making steady incremental 1969 01:05:30,691 --> 01:05:31,580 progress even within limited 1970 01:05:31,580 --> 01:05:33,580 resources. 1971 01:05:35,795 --> 01:05:36,396 Thanks in part to this audit 1972 01:05:36,396 --> 01:05:37,630 and to the work already 1973 01:05:37,630 --> 01:05:37,664 underway across departments 1974 01:05:37,664 --> 01:05:38,650 we're seeing measurable 1975 01:05:38,650 --> 01:05:40,650 improvement. 1976 01:05:41,334 --> 01:05:41,902 One important step forward this 1977 01:05:41,902 --> 01:05:42,502 year is the release of 1978 01:05:42,502 --> 01:05:43,700 the first volumes of our 1979 01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:45,700 comprehensive citywide 1980 01:05:47,407 --> 01:05:48,209 performance report. 1981 01:05:48,209 --> 01:05:48,908 For the first time this report 1982 01:05:48,908 --> 01:05:52,508 will provide a city wide view 1983 01:05:53,413 --> 01:05:53,814 of how the organization is 1984 01:05:53,814 --> 01:05:54,481 performing. 1985 01:05:54,481 --> 01:05:55,480 It will include performance 1986 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:55,749 details for every city 1987 01:05:55,749 --> 01:05:58,149 department and will complement 1988 01:06:00,220 --> 01:06:00,620 and strengthen department's 1989 01:06:00,620 --> 01:06:01,288 annual KPIs. 1990 01:06:01,288 --> 01:06:01,789 This is about more than just 1991 01:06:01,789 --> 01:06:03,789 reporting metrics. 1992 01:06:05,625 --> 01:06:06,259 It's about helping us measure 1993 01:06:06,259 --> 01:06:06,894 what truly matters for San 1994 01:06:06,894 --> 01:06:07,527 Diegans and ensuring that 1995 01:06:07,527 --> 01:06:09,527 performance information is 1996 01:06:11,931 --> 01:06:12,566 clear, accessible and aligned 1997 01:06:12,566 --> 01:06:13,167 with community priorities. 1998 01:06:13,167 --> 01:06:13,900 I want to thank the City 1999 01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:16,900 Auditor and the audit committee 2000 01:06:17,938 --> 01:06:18,638 for their support and 2001 01:06:18,638 --> 01:06:19,340 recognition of the importance 2002 01:06:19,340 --> 01:06:20,390 of this work And I would also 2003 01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:23,390 like to thank the independent 2004 01:06:23,843 --> 01:06:24,511 budget analyst and Kim Desmond 2005 01:06:24,511 --> 01:06:25,178 and the Division of Race and 2006 01:06:25,178 --> 01:06:25,813 Equity for their partnership 2007 01:06:25,813 --> 01:06:26,146 and collaboration on this 2008 01:06:26,146 --> 01:06:28,146 effort. 2009 01:06:30,417 --> 01:06:31,151 We look forward to continuing 2010 01:06:31,151 --> 01:06:31,818 this work and strengthening how 2011 01:06:31,818 --> 01:06:32,486 we measure share and improve 2012 01:06:32,486 --> 01:06:34,886 performance across the city. 2013 01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:36,790 Thank you. 2014 01:06:36,790 --> 01:06:37,424 All right. 2015 01:06:37,424 --> 01:06:38,292 Thank you Alex for that. 2016 01:06:38,292 --> 01:06:38,992 And now I'll turn it over to 2017 01:06:38,992 --> 01:06:41,992 the office of the Independent 2018 01:06:42,128 --> 01:06:42,829 journalist. 2019 01:06:42,829 --> 01:06:43,563 Thank you and good afternoon. 2020 01:06:43,563 --> 01:06:45,963 Council PRESIDENT LaCava and 2021 01:06:48,935 --> 01:06:49,669 members of the Council. 2022 01:06:49,669 --> 01:06:50,700 I'm Erin Noel with the Office 2023 01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:50,971 of the ipa. 2024 01:06:50,971 --> 01:06:54,942 And with me is Kim Desmond from 2025 01:06:54,942 --> 01:06:55,609 Reese and Equity. 2026 01:06:55,609 --> 01:06:56,309 Our office does not have 2027 01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:59,312 concerns about this item but I 2028 01:06:59,312 --> 01:06:59,980 would like to provide brief 2029 01:06:59,980 --> 01:07:00,681 comments on three items and 2030 01:07:00,681 --> 01:07:01,348 after I conclude I'll pass it 2031 01:07:01,348 --> 01:07:04,948 off to Kim to make some 2032 01:07:05,986 --> 01:07:06,720 comments regarding 2033 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,321 the importance of KPIs and race 2034 01:07:07,321 --> 01:07:09,721 inequities work First as 2035 01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:13,327 the City auditor staff noted. 2036 01:07:13,327 --> 01:07:14,610 This report is intended to help 2037 01:07:14,610 --> 01:07:17,610 start a broader conversation on 2038 01:07:17,698 --> 01:07:18,299 the city's use of key 2039 01:07:18,299 --> 01:07:18,966 performance indicators. 2040 01:07:18,966 --> 01:07:21,966 The audit highlights and we 2041 01:07:23,403 --> 01:07:23,904 agree that KPIs are essential 2042 01:07:23,904 --> 01:07:24,605 for transparency, 2043 01:07:24,605 --> 01:07:27,500 accountability and data driven 2044 01:07:30,176 --> 01:07:30,878 decision making especially as 2045 01:07:30,878 --> 01:07:31,278 the city faces ongoing fiscal 2046 01:07:31,278 --> 01:07:33,278 challenges. 2047 01:07:35,815 --> 01:07:36,449 KPIs can be valuable tools for 2048 01:07:36,449 --> 01:07:37,117 prioritizing programs and 2049 01:07:37,117 --> 01:07:39,117 services, evaluating program 2050 01:07:41,889 --> 01:07:42,589 effectiveness and enabling 2051 01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:43,223 course correction and ensuring 2052 01:07:43,223 --> 01:07:45,623 that limited resources are 2053 01:07:47,595 --> 01:07:48,620 allocated to areas with 2054 01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:48,763 greatest impact. 2055 01:07:48,763 --> 01:07:51,763 This means focusing on outcome 2056 01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:53,868 oriented KPIs rather than just 2057 01:07:53,868 --> 01:07:54,602 outputs or activities. 2058 01:07:54,602 --> 01:07:58,202 For example, dsd has a current 2059 01:07:59,974 --> 01:08:00,607 output focused kpi measuring 2060 01:08:00,607 --> 01:08:01,208 the percentage of building 2061 01:08:01,208 --> 01:08:01,909 inspections completed by 2062 01:08:01,909 --> 01:08:04,909 the target date which provides 2063 01:08:05,713 --> 01:08:06,414 more actionable insight than 2064 01:08:06,414 --> 01:08:06,813 simply counting the number of 2065 01:08:06,813 --> 01:08:08,813 inspections. 2066 01:08:11,919 --> 01:08:12,619 Second, our office works with 2067 01:08:12,619 --> 01:08:13,354 the performance and analytics 2068 01:08:13,354 --> 01:08:14,540 department and race inequity to 2069 01:08:14,540 --> 01:08:17,540 provide feedback for some key 2070 01:08:17,958 --> 01:08:18,292 department KPIs in DECEMBER and 2071 01:08:18,292 --> 01:08:19,260 JANUARY. 2072 01:08:19,260 --> 01:08:22,260 And we plan to continue 2073 01:08:23,831 --> 01:08:24,598 reviewing departmental KPIs as 2074 01:08:24,598 --> 01:08:28,198 part of our overall review of 2075 01:08:29,236 --> 01:08:29,970 the proposed budget. 2076 01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:30,604 And lastly regarding the Budget 2077 01:08:30,604 --> 01:08:32,604 and Government Efficiency 2078 01:08:35,109 --> 01:08:35,842 Committee's review of KPIs as 2079 01:08:35,842 --> 01:08:36,511 mentioned by MR. Hampton, Panda 2080 01:08:36,511 --> 01:08:38,911 is anticipating bringing an 2081 01:08:41,248 --> 01:08:41,916 item on the comprehensive 2082 01:08:41,916 --> 01:08:42,650 Citywide Performance report 2083 01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:46,250 related to kpi philosophy to be 2084 01:08:47,521 --> 01:08:47,821 Jenny and potentially JUNE or 2085 01:08:47,821 --> 01:08:49,821 JULY. 2086 01:08:53,928 --> 01:08:54,629 And this will help to initiate 2087 01:08:54,629 --> 01:08:57,629 review and discussion of KPIs. 2088 01:09:00,634 --> 01:09:01,268 And now I'll pass it off to 2089 01:09:01,268 --> 01:09:01,605 Kevin Desmond from Reason 2090 01:09:01,605 --> 01:09:02,690 Equity. 2091 01:09:02,690 --> 01:09:04,690 Good afternoon. 2092 01:09:05,606 --> 01:09:06,306 Council PRESIDENT Carbone 2093 01:09:06,306 --> 01:09:06,974 Members of Council Kim Desmond 2094 01:09:06,974 --> 01:09:07,608 here serving as the Director 2095 01:09:07,608 --> 01:09:10,608 for the Division of Region 2096 01:09:11,913 --> 01:09:12,679 Equity and ipa. 2097 01:09:12,679 --> 01:09:13,381 So wanted to provide some 2098 01:09:13,381 --> 01:09:14,480 comments in three categories. 2099 01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:17,480 First and foremost you heard 2100 01:09:17,685 --> 01:09:18,353 the current state and thank you 2101 01:09:18,353 --> 01:09:19,520 to the auditor for providing 2102 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,652 this level of analysis will be 2103 01:09:23,591 --> 01:09:24,359 candid from a reasonably 2104 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:25,260 perspective to say it is a 2105 01:09:25,260 --> 01:09:27,426 challenge to identify equity 2106 01:09:29,970 --> 01:09:29,963 without consistent KPIs. 2107 01:09:29,963 --> 01:09:33,563 And so with that in this 2108 01:09:35,436 --> 01:09:36,137 partnership to address gaps, 2109 01:09:36,137 --> 01:09:36,738 disparities in efficiencies in 2110 01:09:36,738 --> 01:09:37,438 recreation programs and 2111 01:09:37,438 --> 01:09:40,438 stormwater systems, we need to 2112 01:09:41,742 --> 01:09:42,443 be clear about the data equity 2113 01:09:42,443 --> 01:09:42,977 is an outcome and if it's 2114 01:09:42,977 --> 01:09:44,977 inconsistent around 2115 01:09:48,249 --> 01:09:49,170 the departments it is really a 2116 01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:49,717 challenge for us to do our work 2117 01:09:49,717 --> 01:09:51,717 to really systematically 2118 01:09:54,455 --> 01:09:55,156 dismantle inequity in the way 2119 01:09:55,156 --> 01:09:55,824 that we allocate either fiscal 2120 01:09:55,824 --> 01:09:58,824 allocations or how we change 2121 01:10:00,361 --> 01:10:01,940 ongoing operations. 2122 01:10:01,940 --> 01:10:01,395 And so with that grateful for 2123 01:10:01,395 --> 01:10:02,163 that. 2124 01:10:02,163 --> 01:10:06,363 And so as noted in the report 2125 01:10:07,368 --> 01:10:07,672 we see the inconsistency in 2126 01:10:07,672 --> 01:10:08,369 that. 2127 01:10:08,369 --> 01:10:09,700 So for recent equity to do our 2128 01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:12,730 job we want to make sure that 2129 01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:12,773 we're partnering with Panda to 2130 01:10:12,773 --> 01:10:13,541 work with all the departments 2131 01:10:13,541 --> 01:10:17,141 to get more pointed in precise 2132 01:10:19,470 --> 01:10:19,714 around the subjectivity in 2133 01:10:19,714 --> 01:10:20,481 the way that KPIs are set. 2134 01:10:20,481 --> 01:10:20,781 And so that is a huge culture 2135 01:10:20,781 --> 01:10:22,781 shift. 2136 01:10:24,185 --> 01:10:24,986 So some of the things that we 2137 01:10:24,986 --> 01:10:25,687 have seen for example is making 2138 01:10:25,687 --> 01:10:28,687 sure the department goals and 2139 01:10:30,191 --> 01:10:30,524 objectives actually match their 2140 01:10:30,524 --> 01:10:31,292 KPIs. 2141 01:10:31,292 --> 01:10:31,926 And so in order to measure 2142 01:10:31,926 --> 01:10:34,326 progress to the auditor's 2143 01:10:37,298 --> 01:10:37,998 comment, how do you know 2144 01:10:37,998 --> 01:10:38,600 historically you're addressing 2145 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:39,200 the challenges if that's 2146 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:39,868 inconsistent each year? 2147 01:10:39,868 --> 01:10:43,710 And so these are the things 2148 01:10:43,710 --> 01:10:43,738 that dray instead of just 2149 01:10:43,738 --> 01:10:44,439 complaining about it, we're 2150 01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,390 working with kind of to figure 2151 01:10:48,750 --> 01:10:48,944 out how do we fix these things 2152 01:10:48,944 --> 01:10:49,577 and how do we make sure that 2153 01:10:49,577 --> 01:10:50,278 there is an organizational 2154 01:10:50,278 --> 01:10:53,878 shift towards what it means to 2155 01:10:54,549 --> 01:10:55,830 be more concise with setting 2156 01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:56,117 KPIs in that manner? 2157 01:10:56,117 --> 01:10:59,987 And so with that I will say 2158 01:10:59,987 --> 01:11:00,488 this data without context is 2159 01:11:00,488 --> 01:11:02,488 just information. 2160 01:11:06,228 --> 01:11:06,894 And so what we endeavored to do 2161 01:11:06,894 --> 01:11:07,628 is to look at the technical 2162 01:11:07,628 --> 01:11:10,628 equity plan infrastructure as a 2163 01:11:12,467 --> 01:11:13,101 way to contextualize how we're 2164 01:11:13,101 --> 01:11:13,701 talking about problematic 2165 01:11:13,701 --> 01:11:14,268 disparities through our 2166 01:11:14,268 --> 01:11:16,268 different departments. 2167 01:11:19,341 --> 01:11:20,800 And so the tv dashboard is 2168 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:20,341 going to be used to provide 2169 01:11:20,341 --> 01:11:21,800 context. 2170 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:21,642 So when you're talking about 2171 01:11:21,642 --> 01:11:24,642 I'm looking at you talking 2172 01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:26,681 Moreno around your excellent 2173 01:11:26,681 --> 01:11:26,982 work with your programing 2174 01:11:26,982 --> 01:11:27,616 audit. 2175 01:11:27,616 --> 01:11:28,316 That's the context, right? 2176 01:11:28,316 --> 01:11:31,119 And so in that context we made 2177 01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:31,787 an ask questions. 2178 01:11:31,787 --> 01:11:32,486 I'm looking to Councilmember 2179 01:11:32,486 --> 01:11:33,540 Foster around where are we at 2180 01:11:33,540 --> 01:11:35,540 with addressing those 2181 01:11:36,958 --> 01:11:37,626 problematic get? 2182 01:11:37,626 --> 01:11:38,693 So these are all KPIs. 2183 01:11:38,693 --> 01:11:42,893 Equity is an outcome and we got 2184 01:11:43,198 --> 01:11:43,865 to do better with how we 2185 01:11:43,865 --> 01:11:44,566 showcase that in our work to 2186 01:11:44,566 --> 01:11:45,330 address those gaps disparities 2187 01:11:45,330 --> 01:11:47,330 in efficiencies. 2188 01:11:50,105 --> 01:11:50,805 And so in that we know 2189 01:11:50,805 --> 01:11:54,405 the evidence is hard to digest 2190 01:11:54,876 --> 01:11:55,176 we could all look at that 2191 01:11:55,176 --> 01:11:56,430 right? 2192 01:11:56,430 --> 01:12:00,843 And so it is counter we want to 2193 01:12:01,490 --> 01:12:01,717 consider how do we have a value 2194 01:12:01,717 --> 01:12:02,450 to charter really gives us 2195 01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:03,180 the information that we need to 2196 01:12:03,180 --> 01:12:05,180 increase the auditor's 2197 01:12:07,389 --> 01:12:08,880 perspective built around who's 2198 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:08,757 actually utilizing these Keep 2199 01:12:08,757 --> 01:12:09,424 your eyes And so we want to 2200 01:12:09,424 --> 01:12:12,424 make sure that the velocity 2201 01:12:13,629 --> 01:12:14,329 that you have is easily 2202 01:12:14,329 --> 01:12:14,997 digestible and understandable 2203 01:12:14,997 --> 01:12:15,597 as you are looking at volume 2204 01:12:15,597 --> 01:12:18,597 two of the budget book. 2205 01:12:19,735 --> 01:12:20,368 And so I do want to close with 2206 01:12:20,368 --> 01:12:23,968 this by saying the work to 2207 01:12:24,873 --> 01:12:25,540 change a cultural shift We do 2208 01:12:25,540 --> 01:12:26,174 consider KPIs is a large 2209 01:12:26,174 --> 01:12:26,607 structural change in this 2210 01:12:26,607 --> 01:12:28,607 organization. 2211 01:12:30,979 --> 01:12:31,646 And so pointing to 2212 01:12:31,646 --> 01:12:32,381 the auditor's finding around 2213 01:12:32,381 --> 01:12:36,581 there's one fte in our team has 2214 01:12:37,553 --> 01:12:38,200 started to offer workshops with 2215 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:38,886 those employees. 2216 01:12:38,886 --> 01:12:42,491 So I want to give a shout out 2217 01:12:42,491 --> 01:12:42,791 to Alex Tang and Justin around 2218 01:12:42,791 --> 01:12:43,458 . 2219 01:12:43,458 --> 01:12:44,125 Getting into the work of an 2220 01:12:44,125 --> 01:12:44,426 outcome is different than an 2221 01:12:44,426 --> 01:12:46,426 input. 2222 01:12:48,797 --> 01:12:49,497 Don't say you're making 2223 01:12:49,497 --> 01:12:49,998 progress when you're counting 2224 01:12:49,998 --> 01:12:50,666 by people, right? 2225 01:12:50,666 --> 01:12:54,866 And so we want to make sure 2226 01:12:55,570 --> 01:12:56,238 that we are being more concise 2227 01:12:56,238 --> 01:12:56,772 with the way that we are 2228 01:12:56,772 --> 01:12:57,472 reporting outcomes. 2229 01:12:57,472 --> 01:13:01,577 And also I would say the ways 2230 01:13:01,577 --> 01:13:02,244 in which different council 2231 01:13:02,244 --> 01:13:02,945 districts MAY have different 2232 01:13:02,945 --> 01:13:03,512 levels of engagement as a part 2233 01:13:03,512 --> 01:13:05,512 of this conversation. 2234 01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:08,283 And so these are all the things 2235 01:13:08,283 --> 01:13:08,983 that we want to make sure that 2236 01:13:08,983 --> 01:13:12,583 we are able to shift that 2237 01:13:12,855 --> 01:13:13,422 culture especially in the space 2238 01:13:13,422 --> 01:13:14,230 where the city budget 2239 01:13:14,230 --> 01:13:16,230 constraints will happen. 2240 01:13:19,662 --> 01:13:20,295 Our ability to allocate more 2241 01:13:20,295 --> 01:13:21,129 staffing to this endeavor. 2242 01:13:21,129 --> 01:13:25,000 But I will close with this by 2243 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:25,767 saying for recent equity to do 2244 01:13:25,767 --> 01:13:29,967 this work will we need to fix 2245 01:13:31,540 --> 01:13:32,174 the inconsistency in KPIs that 2246 01:13:32,174 --> 01:13:32,841 is our huge challenge. 2247 01:13:32,841 --> 01:13:33,542 And so happy to address any 2248 01:13:33,542 --> 01:13:37,112 questions and how we see that 2249 01:13:37,112 --> 01:13:37,445 throughout all the departments 2250 01:13:37,445 --> 01:13:37,845 . 2251 01:13:37,845 --> 01:13:38,514 All right. 2252 01:13:38,514 --> 01:13:39,114 Thank you to the Office of 2253 01:13:39,114 --> 01:13:41,114 the Independent Auditor. 2254 01:13:43,719 --> 01:13:44,253 Thank you to Panda and thank 2255 01:13:44,253 --> 01:13:44,954 you to the Office of 2256 01:13:44,954 --> 01:13:47,354 the Independent Budget analyst 2257 01:13:49,558 --> 01:13:49,892 and Kim's work under recent 2258 01:13:49,892 --> 01:13:50,593 equity. 2259 01:13:50,593 --> 01:13:51,125 >> So with that please proceed 2260 01:13:51,125 --> 01:13:53,125 with public comment. 2261 01:13:55,998 --> 01:13:56,732 We have no speakers here in 2262 01:13:56,732 --> 01:13:57,332 council chambers going to those 2263 01:13:57,332 --> 01:13:58,670 participating remotely. 2264 01:13:58,670 --> 01:14:01,670 We currently have four speakers 2265 01:14:02,137 --> 01:14:02,905 with their hands raised. 2266 01:14:02,905 --> 01:14:06,700 Doreen Diaz if you can please 2267 01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:06,708 unmute and to speak on the item 2268 01:14:06,708 --> 01:14:07,800 330 regarding the performance 2269 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,800 audit. 2270 01:14:12,481 --> 01:14:13,249 >> Yes, thank you. 2271 01:14:13,249 --> 01:14:14,160 I'm very happy to hear that 2272 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,160 Raised in auditing Sorry I 2273 01:14:18,354 --> 01:14:18,654 didn't write down the full 2274 01:14:18,654 --> 01:14:19,455 name. 2275 01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:23,550 Recent equity is going to be 2276 01:14:24,260 --> 01:14:27,860 looking at the kpi for accuracy 2277 01:14:31,330 --> 01:14:31,667 There is issues other than 2278 01:14:31,667 --> 01:14:34,670 inconsistency and kpi but 2279 01:14:36,272 --> 01:14:37,139 please please special attention 2280 01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:41,339 to all the kpi you receive from 2281 01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:44,810 developmental services and from 2282 01:14:48,751 --> 01:14:49,719 the Planning Department because 2283 01:14:49,719 --> 01:14:52,719 only in areas domestic areas 2284 01:14:55,924 --> 01:14:56,626 fostering stating that in very 2285 01:14:56,626 --> 01:14:59,260 tight fire zones and 2286 01:15:01,163 --> 01:15:01,797 applications when in fact they 2287 01:15:01,797 --> 01:15:04,797 are and the developers are 2288 01:15:06,936 --> 01:15:07,670 getting away with it So when 2289 01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:10,670 you see something unless you're 2290 01:15:13,943 --> 01:15:14,544 actually verifying it please do 2291 01:15:14,544 --> 01:15:15,311 not rely on this kpi. 2292 01:15:15,311 --> 01:15:18,311 Another example is the drainage 2293 01:15:18,814 --> 01:15:20,814 can. 2294 01:15:24,152 --> 01:15:24,820 It's been cleaned twice since 2295 01:15:24,820 --> 01:15:27,220 the JANUARY 22nd 2024 flood 2296 01:15:31,426 --> 01:15:31,761 twice and it is still invasive 2297 01:15:31,761 --> 01:15:32,695 weed. 2298 01:15:32,695 --> 01:15:36,295 I had a neighbor report last 2299 01:15:37,300 --> 01:15:40,300 month or JANUARY Gary again 2300 01:15:42,138 --> 01:15:42,739 that the drainage channel had 2301 01:15:42,739 --> 01:15:45,139 come into her backyard 2302 01:15:48,110 --> 01:15:48,778 destroyed grass it made mud but 2303 01:15:48,778 --> 01:15:49,444 your records might say oh we 2304 01:15:49,444 --> 01:15:52,444 had maintenance done in this 2305 01:15:55,180 --> 01:15:55,718 area If you do not go there 2306 01:15:55,718 --> 01:15:59,318 right there and look at it, 2307 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:00,656 please do not believe what is 2308 01:16:00,656 --> 01:16:01,357 put on paper from that 2309 01:16:01,357 --> 01:16:03,757 stormwater department or that 2310 01:16:06,728 --> 01:16:10,328 dsd or planning because we are 2311 01:16:12,835 --> 01:16:13,536 witnessing breaking flood and 2312 01:16:13,536 --> 01:16:14,700 what your time has concluded 2313 01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:16,470 next is John Stump. 2314 01:16:18,607 --> 01:16:19,408 >> If you can please unmute 2315 01:16:19,408 --> 01:16:22,408 after John Stump of the 8700 2316 01:16:23,813 --> 01:16:24,213 piece procedure Hi John Stump 2317 01:16:24,213 --> 01:16:26,213 keep copies. 2318 01:16:30,353 --> 01:16:31,540 I want to thank the very 2319 01:16:31,540 --> 01:16:33,454 talented and committed persons 2320 01:16:35,658 --> 01:16:36,192 who worked on this project and 2321 01:16:36,192 --> 01:16:37,125 are committed to it. 2322 01:16:37,125 --> 01:16:41,325 You know I am past CHAIRMAN Of 2323 01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:42,632 the Equal Opportunity 2324 01:16:42,632 --> 01:16:43,333 Commission under three mayors 2325 01:16:43,333 --> 01:16:46,933 and I served on the government 2326 01:16:47,737 --> 01:16:48,370 efficiency and fiscal reform 2327 01:16:48,370 --> 01:16:48,838 body. 2328 01:16:48,838 --> 01:16:52,438 I also serve the city and 2329 01:16:54,577 --> 01:16:58,177 county on a Joint Powers Agency 2330 01:16:58,948 --> 01:16:59,716 for more than 20 years. 2331 01:16:59,716 --> 01:17:03,316 You know the problem with CPAs 2332 01:17:04,421 --> 01:17:05,188 at the moment it's it's like 2333 01:17:05,188 --> 01:17:08,188 rearranging the deck chairs on 2334 01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:11,628 the Titanic. 2335 01:17:11,628 --> 01:17:15,228 The ship you are in fiscal 2336 01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:17,600 crisis you don't have 2337 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,200 the ability to budget and you 2338 01:17:22,505 --> 01:17:23,273 overspend that council needs to 2339 01:17:23,273 --> 01:17:26,873 focus its time on reducing its 2340 01:17:27,911 --> 01:17:28,244 spending and learning how to 2341 01:17:28,244 --> 01:17:30,244 budget. 2342 01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:34,551 You know it's very nice that 2343 01:17:34,551 --> 01:17:38,751 we're going to spend a lot of 2344 01:17:39,356 --> 01:17:40,560 time I think there's what six 2345 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,560 staff persons here working on 2346 01:17:45,128 --> 01:17:48,728 KPIs but yet the city is $100 2347 01:17:49,933 --> 01:17:50,633 million overspend. 2348 01:17:50,633 --> 01:17:51,301 The first thing that you need 2349 01:17:51,301 --> 01:17:54,901 to do is get the performance 2350 01:17:56,373 --> 01:17:57,600 indicators that you can spend 2351 01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,406 only within your revenues. 2352 01:18:03,913 --> 01:18:04,314 Thank you very much. 2353 01:18:04,314 --> 01:18:05,810 Thank you. 2354 01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:08,681 Next is when I'm running an 2355 01:18:12,155 --> 01:18:12,922 8700 If you come please and you 2356 01:18:12,922 --> 01:18:16,522 think you are Joyce said you 2357 01:18:17,461 --> 01:18:22,261 had a cd three First of all I 2358 01:18:23,567 --> 01:18:24,166 have a dream realized you have 2359 01:18:24,166 --> 01:18:24,868 now and that is because 2360 01:18:24,868 --> 01:18:28,468 the CPGs are have been looked 2361 01:18:29,873 --> 01:18:30,440 at in audits and it's unfolding 2362 01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:33,440 And the second part of 2363 01:18:34,611 --> 01:18:35,279 the degree is can dezmond and 2364 01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:38,279 she's part of reason equity 2365 01:18:40,417 --> 01:18:41,351 thank you to the forces that be 2366 01:18:41,351 --> 01:18:46,151 you know here we go I vote for 2367 01:18:46,356 --> 01:18:46,990 really realistically all 2368 01:18:46,990 --> 01:18:49,990 realistic okay this is my 2369 01:18:52,996 --> 01:18:53,764 letter to start with the public 2370 01:18:53,764 --> 01:18:56,800 I think your public I have to 2371 01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:01,000 at the top of my f 127 budget 2372 01:19:01,705 --> 01:19:02,305 needs any additional needed 2373 01:19:02,305 --> 01:19:03,600 cost and funding for 2374 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,600 implementation and monitoring 2375 01:19:07,811 --> 01:19:08,478 that she can transparency and 2376 01:19:08,478 --> 01:19:11,810 oversight of what the audit 2377 01:19:11,810 --> 01:19:13,481 committee so beautiful is 2378 01:19:17,955 --> 01:19:18,655 recommending your public 2379 01:19:18,655 --> 01:19:22,855 the best way to get your needs 2380 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:24,610 realized in your communities is 2381 01:19:24,610 --> 01:19:27,661 with the vigilant use of kpi. 2382 01:19:28,866 --> 01:19:29,233 If we need more resources let's 2383 01:19:29,233 --> 01:19:29,933 get them. 2384 01:19:29,933 --> 01:19:30,267 If we need more money let's 2385 01:19:30,267 --> 01:19:32,267 find it. 2386 01:19:35,138 --> 01:19:37,538 Councilmember Rivera this shell 2387 01:19:40,511 --> 01:19:41,111 shell provide one answer to 2388 01:19:41,111 --> 01:19:43,111 your beautiful important 2389 01:19:47,517 --> 01:19:47,951 question What city are we 2390 01:19:47,951 --> 01:19:48,786 trying to be? 2391 01:19:48,786 --> 01:19:52,386 Office of the City Auditor By 2392 01:19:52,556 --> 01:19:52,923 standards Award on this Thank 2393 01:19:52,923 --> 01:19:53,289 you Panda. 2394 01:19:53,289 --> 01:19:55,289 Thank you. 2395 01:19:58,528 --> 01:19:58,862 Thank you, Officer Grayson 2396 01:19:58,862 --> 01:19:59,529 Equity. 2397 01:19:59,529 --> 01:20:00,197 And lastly, could we please 2398 01:20:00,197 --> 01:20:02,597 have panda shadow each 2399 01:20:03,867 --> 01:20:04,535 department during 2400 01:20:04,535 --> 01:20:05,200 implementation like they did 2401 01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,200 with the p u d? 2402 01:20:09,506 --> 01:20:10,206 This is a beautiful moment. 2403 01:20:10,206 --> 01:20:10,607 Let's celebrate and let's get 2404 01:20:10,607 --> 01:20:11,410 it done now. 2405 01:20:11,410 --> 01:20:13,410 Love you all. 2406 01:20:15,445 --> 01:20:16,450 I'm so excited. 2407 01:20:16,450 --> 01:20:16,547 >> Thank you. 2408 01:20:16,547 --> 01:20:17,114 Next is Alvin. 2409 01:20:17,114 --> 01:20:19,514 Let's try it again. 2410 01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:21,850 Please unmute. 2411 01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:25,824 And my name's Allerdale Mastro 2412 01:20:25,824 --> 01:20:26,390 and the Performance de 2413 01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:28,390 Performance Indicator. 2414 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:30,861 I can't tell you how 2415 01:20:30,861 --> 01:20:31,629 disappointed I am in San Diego. 2416 01:20:31,629 --> 01:20:35,829 I know that the revenues are at 2417 01:20:36,233 --> 01:20:36,533 an all time high than our 2418 01:20:36,533 --> 01:20:38,533 staff. 2419 01:20:40,871 --> 01:20:41,571 Your staff has increased 27% 2420 01:20:41,571 --> 01:20:45,171 over the last five years even 2421 01:20:46,576 --> 01:20:47,100 though the population has only 2422 01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:47,745 increased 1%. 2423 01:20:47,745 --> 01:20:51,345 Some of the decisions that have 2424 01:20:52,683 --> 01:20:56,283 been made I can't find anybody 2425 01:20:56,921 --> 01:20:57,621 that even would understand why 2426 01:20:57,621 --> 01:21:00,210 going out and spending $65 2427 01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:03,794 million on trash cans in 2428 01:21:03,794 --> 01:21:04,428 the middle of this crisis when 2429 01:21:04,428 --> 01:21:07,428 many of the citizens have 2430 01:21:08,799 --> 01:21:11,199 pretty functional trash cans 2431 01:21:13,706 --> 01:21:14,405 and being able to replace them 2432 01:21:14,405 --> 01:21:15,139 is just baffling to me. 2433 01:21:15,139 --> 01:21:18,139 The other thing that's baffling 2434 01:21:19,343 --> 01:21:20,440 is the accountability here that 2435 01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:23,644 you have for your employees In 2436 01:21:25,216 --> 01:21:25,816 2004 a turn an attorney that 2437 01:21:25,816 --> 01:21:28,816 worked for the city made 2438 01:21:30,540 --> 01:21:30,755 $200,000 and she was in she got 2439 01:21:30,755 --> 01:21:33,755 a $100,000 raise and was able 2440 01:21:34,892 --> 01:21:35,626 to take a four month cruise 2441 01:21:35,626 --> 01:21:35,926 which was considered working at 2442 01:21:35,926 --> 01:21:37,926 home. 2443 01:21:40,698 --> 01:21:41,399 This is the kind of waste and 2444 01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:42,660 abuse that the public sees And 2445 01:21:42,660 --> 01:21:42,333 and we just don't understand 2446 01:21:42,333 --> 01:21:44,333 it. 2447 01:21:46,771 --> 01:21:47,472 You want us to believe that if 2448 01:21:47,472 --> 01:21:51,720 you cut that out I don't 2449 01:21:51,509 --> 01:21:51,943 understand why you wouldn't cut 2450 01:21:51,943 --> 01:21:52,643 that. 2451 01:21:52,643 --> 01:21:53,244 i haven't heard an explanation 2452 01:21:53,244 --> 01:21:53,745 by these panels on these 2453 01:21:53,745 --> 01:21:55,745 different issues. 2454 01:21:57,810 --> 01:21:57,748 I don't even know how many city 2455 01:21:57,748 --> 01:22:00,748 employees go into the office 2456 01:22:02,587 --> 01:22:03,354 every day what the policy is. 2457 01:22:03,354 --> 01:22:06,954 There could be a lot of 2458 01:22:07,592 --> 01:22:08,291 overstepping there and only 2459 01:22:08,291 --> 01:22:11,891 thing that seems to be willing 2460 01:22:11,896 --> 01:22:12,868 to be cut is a library or a 2461 01:22:12,868 --> 01:22:13,631 park or some one is a staff so 2462 01:22:13,631 --> 01:22:16,000 large and how is that helping 2463 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,000 any performance as our roads 2464 01:22:21,772 --> 01:22:22,890 are terrible our street lights 2465 01:22:22,890 --> 01:22:24,890 on on. 2466 01:22:26,577 --> 01:22:26,978 Oh thank you. 2467 01:22:26,978 --> 01:22:27,611 Thank you. 2468 01:22:27,611 --> 01:22:28,212 The five minute timer has 2469 01:22:28,212 --> 01:22:28,880 included There were five 2470 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,783 speakers with their hands at 2471 01:22:31,783 --> 01:22:32,584 the time. 2472 01:22:32,584 --> 01:22:33,284 No additional speakers will be 2473 01:22:33,284 --> 01:22:33,985 taken there only two speakers 2474 01:22:33,985 --> 01:22:34,285 with their hands raised now as 2475 01:22:34,285 --> 01:22:36,285 well. 2476 01:22:38,489 --> 01:22:38,790 No additional speakers will be 2477 01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:39,557 taken. 2478 01:22:39,557 --> 01:22:39,824 Beekman if you can please on 2479 01:22:39,824 --> 01:22:40,191 it. 2480 01:22:40,191 --> 01:22:40,558 All right. 2481 01:22:40,558 --> 01:22:42,226 Thank you. 2482 01:22:42,226 --> 01:22:42,993 We're Big Ben. 2483 01:22:42,993 --> 01:22:43,695 Thanks a lot for this item. 2484 01:22:43,695 --> 01:22:47,164 It's kind of new to myself. 2485 01:22:47,164 --> 01:22:47,799 I mean I have been here you 2486 01:22:47,799 --> 01:22:48,566 guys talking about kpi for 2487 01:22:48,566 --> 01:22:51,870 the past year or so and I'm 2488 01:22:51,870 --> 01:22:52,136 still not totally familiar with 2489 01:22:52,136 --> 01:22:52,937 it. 2490 01:22:52,937 --> 01:22:56,807 I'm kind of slow at this stuff 2491 01:22:56,807 --> 01:22:57,141 and but I'm trying to catch up 2492 01:22:57,141 --> 01:22:57,909 . 2493 01:22:57,909 --> 01:22:58,609 >> I really liked the comment 2494 01:22:58,609 --> 01:23:01,609 from the first public comment 2495 01:23:02,846 --> 01:23:03,715 or today on this item is she 2496 01:23:03,715 --> 01:23:04,349 made a lot of sense and how I 2497 01:23:04,349 --> 01:23:06,749 can understand this issue 2498 01:23:07,719 --> 01:23:08,586 the way I'm understanding it 2499 01:23:08,586 --> 01:23:11,586 for myself and understanding is 2500 01:23:13,224 --> 01:23:17,424 that kpi can be a very nice 2501 01:23:18,129 --> 01:23:18,797 reference point and factual 2502 01:23:18,797 --> 01:23:19,397 reference point of how to 2503 01:23:19,397 --> 01:23:21,797 understand you know your 2504 01:23:24,350 --> 01:23:24,736 projects and items and how 2505 01:23:24,736 --> 01:23:25,369 they're working And it sounds 2506 01:23:25,369 --> 01:23:26,104 like what you were talking 2507 01:23:26,104 --> 01:23:29,140 about in the presentation is do 2508 01:23:29,140 --> 01:23:30,800 you want to add to that and 2509 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,608 present it more in terms of 2510 01:23:34,245 --> 01:23:35,146 what can be project goals and 2511 01:23:35,146 --> 01:23:38,746 how do you incorporate kpi into 2512 01:23:39,751 --> 01:23:40,552 actual corporate project goals 2513 01:23:40,552 --> 01:23:44,589 or do you want to treat kpi 2514 01:23:44,589 --> 01:23:45,289 Well I think kpi should be 2515 01:23:45,289 --> 01:23:48,289 treated as a very factual 2516 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:49,661 accountable thing giving 2517 01:23:49,661 --> 01:23:52,610 information about the project 2518 01:23:54,766 --> 01:23:55,467 very specific and and you 2519 01:23:55,467 --> 01:23:57,867 shouldn't try to overemphasize 2520 01:23:59,700 --> 01:23:59,670 being persuasive or overly 2521 01:23:59,670 --> 01:24:00,500 flowery with its subject 2522 01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:02,500 matter. 2523 01:24:04,776 --> 01:24:05,443 Now that comes back to what 2524 01:24:05,443 --> 01:24:06,111 the first public comment you 2525 01:24:06,111 --> 01:24:06,744 said where he was describing 2526 01:24:06,744 --> 01:24:09,144 they're just getting their 2527 01:24:10,247 --> 01:24:10,882 facts wrong and something is 2528 01:24:10,882 --> 01:24:11,216 going wrong with the facts 2529 01:24:11,216 --> 01:24:11,917 process. 2530 01:24:11,917 --> 01:24:14,653 >> You're not even doing that 2531 01:24:14,653 --> 01:24:15,620 part correctly fully. 2532 01:24:15,620 --> 01:24:16,388 So I think you've got to really 2533 01:24:16,388 --> 01:24:19,257 pare down and make sure that 2534 01:24:19,257 --> 01:24:19,958 kpi is doing something 2535 01:24:19,958 --> 01:24:22,958 incredibly factual and we can 2536 01:24:24,462 --> 01:24:25,630 just trust it to no end That 2537 01:24:25,630 --> 01:24:25,630 there's no partizanship 2538 01:24:25,630 --> 01:24:26,330 involved with it just 2539 01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:28,730 delivering you know, straight 2540 01:24:29,835 --> 01:24:30,535 back about it This is happening 2541 01:24:30,535 --> 01:24:31,303 and this is happening and that 2542 01:24:31,303 --> 01:24:34,606 takes practice to do that And 2543 01:24:34,606 --> 01:24:35,307 then on top of that then you 2544 01:24:35,307 --> 01:24:38,307 can add the flowery intentions 2545 01:24:39,277 --> 01:24:40,245 and what you know I hope it can 2546 01:24:40,245 --> 01:24:40,811 be of a project on top of that 2547 01:24:40,811 --> 01:24:41,245 That's my guest work. 2548 01:24:41,245 --> 01:24:41,613 >> Thank you. 2549 01:24:41,613 --> 01:24:43,613 Thank you. 2550 01:24:45,490 --> 01:24:45,717 Our final speaker is Francine 2551 01:24:45,717 --> 01:24:46,385 Maxwell You're going to take 2552 01:24:46,385 --> 01:24:48,785 from you Afternoon Francine 2553 01:24:49,821 --> 01:24:50,488 Maxwell Southeastern San Diego. 2554 01:24:50,488 --> 01:24:51,880 Thank you so much for 2555 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:53,488 the presentation from a 2556 01:24:54,493 --> 01:24:55,193 department the audit committee 2557 01:24:55,193 --> 01:24:55,493 audit department that we truly 2558 01:24:55,493 --> 01:24:56,361 trust. 2559 01:24:56,361 --> 01:24:59,961 We have some suspects when it's 2560 01:25:00,232 --> 01:25:00,766 time to shift and look at other 2561 01:25:00,766 --> 01:25:01,366 departments that are 2562 01:25:01,366 --> 01:25:03,766 independent and who they 2563 01:25:04,936 --> 01:25:05,804 actually are working for and 2564 01:25:05,804 --> 01:25:09,308 reporting for And so k p I's 2565 01:25:09,308 --> 01:25:10,750 are extremely important because 2566 01:25:10,750 --> 01:25:13,750 right now given our fiscal 2567 01:25:15,447 --> 01:25:16,470 challenges we are going to be 2568 01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:16,414 leading and paying close 2569 01:25:16,414 --> 01:25:17,480 attention. 2570 01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:20,480 We're looking for the city 2571 01:25:20,850 --> 01:25:20,652 council who happens to be 2572 01:25:20,652 --> 01:25:22,652 the housing authority 2573 01:25:24,723 --> 01:25:25,324 Absolutely to let go over 33 2574 01:25:25,324 --> 01:25:25,791 since San Diego Housing 2575 01:25:25,791 --> 01:25:26,490 Commission did. 2576 01:25:26,490 --> 01:25:30,900 And so when we're looking at 2577 01:25:30,362 --> 01:25:30,996 cuts, when we're looking at a 2578 01:25:30,996 --> 01:25:31,597 continuation of care, when 2579 01:25:31,597 --> 01:25:33,997 we're looking at equity 2580 01:25:35,670 --> 01:25:35,734 absolutely equity for 2581 01:25:35,734 --> 01:25:38,134 the taxpayers, the citizens, 2582 01:25:39,738 --> 01:25:40,439 the residents And again, when 2583 01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:44,390 we're looking at the fact that 2584 01:25:44,843 --> 01:25:45,477 there's too many deputy 2585 01:25:45,477 --> 01:25:46,440 directors, too many middle 2586 01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:48,440 management, this tanda 2587 01:25:49,748 --> 01:25:52,148 department should be screaming 2588 01:25:54,452 --> 01:25:55,153 Kay, eyes on how much waste we 2589 01:25:55,153 --> 01:25:55,454 have when we look at our org 2590 01:25:55,454 --> 01:25:57,454 chart. 2591 01:25:59,358 --> 01:25:59,858 So again, thank you so much for 2592 01:25:59,858 --> 01:26:01,858 this presentation. 2593 01:26:03,161 --> 01:26:04,163 We look forward to 10th and we 2594 01:26:04,163 --> 01:26:04,463 have a lot of work to do as a 2595 01:26:04,463 --> 01:26:06,463 city. 2596 01:26:07,966 --> 01:26:08,367 Thank you so much for allowing 2597 01:26:08,367 --> 01:26:08,834 me to speak. 2598 01:26:08,834 --> 01:26:09,468 >> Thank you. 2599 01:26:09,468 --> 01:26:10,350 That does conclude public 2600 01:26:10,350 --> 01:26:12,435 comment on this item. 2601 01:26:12,971 --> 01:26:13,739 All right. 2602 01:26:13,739 --> 01:26:14,473 Thank you, City Clerk As a 2603 01:26:14,473 --> 01:26:17,473 reminder this is an information 2604 01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:18,677 item No motions required but 2605 01:26:18,677 --> 01:26:19,311 I'll turn it over to council 2606 01:26:19,311 --> 01:26:20,120 members for questions and 2607 01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:20,579 comments And we'll start with 2608 01:26:20,579 --> 01:26:22,915 the chair of the audit 2609 01:26:22,915 --> 01:26:23,616 committee. 2610 01:26:23,616 --> 01:26:24,283 >> Council Member Moreno Thank 2611 01:26:24,283 --> 01:26:27,252 you for the presentation and 2612 01:26:27,252 --> 01:26:27,920 thank you again to the audit 2613 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,920 team for another great audit 2614 01:26:32,191 --> 01:26:32,858 Key performance indicators are 2615 01:26:32,858 --> 01:26:33,525 important tools for not just 2616 01:26:33,525 --> 01:26:36,525 the department using them as 2617 01:26:37,563 --> 01:26:38,164 metrics throughout the year but 2618 01:26:38,164 --> 01:26:38,930 also for the public and 2619 01:26:38,930 --> 01:26:43,200 the City council which is why I 2620 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:43,736 request id for this audit to be 2621 01:26:43,736 --> 01:26:47,106 done When done right they allow 2622 01:26:47,106 --> 01:26:48,740 us to make budget decisions 2623 01:26:48,740 --> 01:26:51,744 based on data and allow us to 2624 01:26:51,744 --> 01:26:54,144 see the effectiveness of 2625 01:26:55,447 --> 01:26:56,115 spending taxpayer dollars on 2626 01:26:56,115 --> 01:26:58,515 one activity versus another. 2627 01:27:00,451 --> 01:27:01,220 Unfortunately the way many KPIs 2628 01:27:01,220 --> 01:27:01,921 are used and produced here in 2629 01:27:01,921 --> 01:27:05,521 the city not are not very 2630 01:27:05,591 --> 01:27:06,291 useful for members of 2631 01:27:06,291 --> 01:27:09,891 the public or the city Council 2632 01:27:10,728 --> 01:27:11,329 to utilize when evaluating 2633 01:27:11,329 --> 01:27:11,964 the effectiveness of a 2634 01:27:11,964 --> 01:27:12,298 department in providing a 2635 01:27:12,298 --> 01:27:14,298 service. 2636 01:27:15,634 --> 01:27:16,335 The annual budget includes KPIs 2637 01:27:16,335 --> 01:27:17,360 within each department and I 2638 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,636 could attest to the fact that 2639 01:27:20,973 --> 01:27:21,706 they are often simply not a 2640 01:27:21,706 --> 01:27:25,306 good metric to use to determine 2641 01:27:25,711 --> 01:27:26,379 a department's effectiveness at 2642 01:27:26,379 --> 01:27:28,779 providing a surface service. 2643 01:27:30,749 --> 01:27:31,517 This creates a scenario where 2644 01:27:31,517 --> 01:27:32,118 the KPIs are not relied upon by 2645 01:27:32,118 --> 01:27:34,518 the City Council During 2646 01:27:35,421 --> 01:27:36,122 the annual budget discussion 2647 01:27:36,122 --> 01:27:36,522 and that is just very 2648 01:27:36,522 --> 01:27:38,522 unfortunate. 2649 01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:41,394 We love to say we're a data 2650 01:27:41,394 --> 01:27:42,227 driven city but this audit 2651 01:27:42,227 --> 01:27:45,431 shows we are budgeting year in 2652 01:27:45,431 --> 01:27:49,310 and year out without good data 2653 01:27:49,969 --> 01:27:50,736 to support budget allocations. 2654 01:27:50,736 --> 01:27:51,604 One part of the problem is that 2655 01:27:51,604 --> 01:27:55,408 the KPIs are all over all over 2656 01:27:55,408 --> 01:27:56,700 the place and not consistent in 2657 01:27:56,700 --> 01:27:58,407 what is being measured. 2658 01:27:59,579 --> 01:28:00,279 Some as was mentioned are 2659 01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:02,679 aspirational goals while some 2660 01:28:04,317 --> 01:28:05,170 are focused unrealistic 2661 01:28:05,170 --> 01:28:08,170 outcomes based solely on what 2662 01:28:09,555 --> 01:28:10,256 can be done down to the dollar 2663 01:28:10,256 --> 01:28:10,957 ,these inconsistencies make 2664 01:28:10,957 --> 01:28:13,357 them less meaningful measures 2665 01:28:14,827 --> 01:28:15,494 for policymakers to consider 2666 01:28:15,494 --> 01:28:18,494 when balancing the budget to 2667 01:28:19,931 --> 01:28:20,500 ensure these are improved and 2668 01:28:20,500 --> 01:28:21,167 helpful to the public, 2669 01:28:21,167 --> 01:28:21,734 the Council and public must 2670 01:28:21,734 --> 01:28:24,134 have an opportunity to 2671 01:28:25,138 --> 01:28:25,771 interface with department staff 2672 01:28:25,771 --> 01:28:28,171 to create meaningful KPIs. 2673 01:28:29,675 --> 01:28:30,376 Recommendation 1.1 is to 2674 01:28:30,376 --> 01:28:33,376 develop and publish an annual 2675 01:28:33,946 --> 01:28:34,647 performance report for 2676 01:28:34,647 --> 01:28:35,348 the city's KPIs separate from 2677 01:28:35,348 --> 01:28:38,348 the city's budget document and 2678 01:28:39,585 --> 01:28:40,153 to discuss it at the Budget and 2679 01:28:40,153 --> 01:28:40,521 Government Efficiency 2680 01:28:40,521 --> 01:28:41,253 Committee. 2681 01:28:41,253 --> 01:28:44,557 I think this makes sense and is 2682 01:28:44,557 --> 01:28:45,191 definitely a good start to 2683 01:28:45,191 --> 01:28:45,490 making improvements to our 2684 01:28:45,490 --> 01:28:47,490 KPIs. 2685 01:28:48,928 --> 01:28:49,628 In fact our own statement of 2686 01:28:49,628 --> 01:28:50,329 budgetary principles say that 2687 01:28:50,329 --> 01:28:53,929 the KPIs will be reviewed and 2688 01:28:53,999 --> 01:28:54,667 discussed at committee so we 2689 01:28:54,667 --> 01:28:57,667 should already be doing it. 2690 01:28:59,505 --> 01:29:00,139 However, I would go beyond just 2691 01:29:00,139 --> 01:29:03,139 issuing an agenda using a 2692 01:29:03,776 --> 01:29:04,409 report and say that multiple 2693 01:29:04,409 --> 01:29:05,111 council committees should 2694 01:29:05,111 --> 01:29:08,711 discuss the KPIs of the major 2695 01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:09,682 city departments that are 2696 01:29:09,682 --> 01:29:10,350 tasked with monitoring each 2697 01:29:10,350 --> 01:29:13,350 year that we're tasked with 2698 01:29:13,887 --> 01:29:14,587 monitoring each year pd 2699 01:29:14,587 --> 01:29:16,587 Transportation stormwater stp 2700 01:29:18,858 --> 01:29:22,458 fire Those are some that could 2701 01:29:23,196 --> 01:29:23,896 be a focus conversation that 2702 01:29:23,896 --> 01:29:24,631 provides department directors 2703 01:29:24,631 --> 01:29:27,400 with clear direction about what 2704 01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:28,330 would be the what would be most 2705 01:29:28,330 --> 01:29:28,601 helpful in determining 2706 01:29:28,601 --> 01:29:29,168 the effectiveness of a 2707 01:29:29,168 --> 01:29:31,168 department's activity 2708 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:33,773 throughout the year. 2709 01:29:33,773 --> 01:29:34,374 Finally, I do very much agree 2710 01:29:34,374 --> 01:29:36,374 with the recommendations 2711 01:29:37,477 --> 01:29:38,178 regarding the city having a 2712 01:29:38,178 --> 01:29:38,878 publicly accessible dashboard 2713 01:29:38,878 --> 01:29:41,278 that includes historical data 2714 01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:43,583 to demonstrate departmental 2715 01:29:43,583 --> 01:29:45,583 performance over time. 2716 01:29:47,487 --> 01:29:50,487 Other cities do this and 2717 01:29:52,192 --> 01:29:52,826 updating it regularly is good 2718 01:29:52,826 --> 01:29:53,493 and transparent government 2719 01:29:53,493 --> 01:29:57,930 policy and it would be very 2720 01:29:57,364 --> 01:29:57,998 useful to the members of 2721 01:29:57,998 --> 01:30:00,398 the public especially when 2722 01:30:01,901 --> 01:30:02,236 discussing the budget each year 2723 01:30:02,236 --> 01:30:02,836 . 2724 01:30:02,836 --> 01:30:03,470 The report includes five 2725 01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:04,400 recommendations including 2726 01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,400 developing an annual 2727 01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:07,574 performance report establishing 2728 01:30:07,574 --> 01:30:10,574 kpi data validation process and 2729 01:30:11,678 --> 01:30:12,379 creating a policy that 2730 01:30:12,379 --> 01:30:14,779 documents the city's kpi 2731 01:30:16,248 --> 01:30:16,549 philosophy. 2732 01:30:16,549 --> 01:30:18,549 I. 2733 01:30:22,122 --> 01:30:22,822 I do want to make note that 2734 01:30:22,822 --> 01:30:23,489 the performance in Natalie an 2735 01:30:23,489 --> 01:30:25,889 analytic department is doing 2736 01:30:27,193 --> 01:30:27,961 well with the resource is that 2737 01:30:27,961 --> 01:30:31,970 have that they have an interest 2738 01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:31,865 in assisting departments with 2739 01:30:31,865 --> 01:30:35,465 their KPIs but any real success 2740 01:30:35,935 --> 01:30:36,603 at updating the metrics we use 2741 01:30:36,603 --> 01:30:39,603 comes down to the management 2742 01:30:40,774 --> 01:30:41,474 within each department coming 2743 01:30:41,474 --> 01:30:42,175 to hand with accurate and 2744 01:30:42,175 --> 01:30:44,575 meaningful metrics to be 2745 01:30:45,846 --> 01:30:48,846 considered and then using their 2746 01:30:49,916 --> 01:30:50,617 expertise to redefine it So 2747 01:30:50,617 --> 01:30:51,351 once again thank you for 2748 01:30:51,351 --> 01:30:51,718 the audit and that concludes my 2749 01:30:51,718 --> 01:30:53,718 comments. 2750 01:30:55,654 --> 01:30:56,560 Council PRESIDENT Thank you. 2751 01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:56,656 All right. 2752 01:30:56,656 --> 01:30:56,990 Thank you, Councilmember 2753 01:30:56,990 --> 01:30:57,724 Moreno. 2754 01:30:57,724 --> 01:30:59,626 We'll go next to council member 2755 01:30:59,626 --> 01:31:00,293 Ella Rivera. 2756 01:31:00,293 --> 01:31:02,693 Thank you Council PRESIDENT 2757 01:31:04,431 --> 01:31:05,131 Thank you to the auditor 2758 01:31:05,131 --> 01:31:05,799 the officers of the auditor as 2759 01:31:05,799 --> 01:31:08,668 always for the work that you 2760 01:31:08,668 --> 01:31:09,369 all do. 2761 01:31:09,369 --> 01:31:11,769 Thank you Councilmember Moreno 2762 01:31:14,174 --> 01:31:14,908 for your commitment to not just 2763 01:31:14,908 --> 01:31:18,245 the officers to be able to make 2764 01:31:18,245 --> 01:31:18,845 sure that we have robust 2765 01:31:18,845 --> 01:31:20,845 discussions about what's 2766 01:31:23,183 --> 01:31:24,500 brought to your committee. 2767 01:31:24,500 --> 01:31:27,650 Our KPIs are should be very 2768 01:31:28,322 --> 01:31:28,889 important and could should 2769 01:31:28,889 --> 01:31:29,488 serve as a backbone of 2770 01:31:29,488 --> 01:31:31,488 effective governance and 2771 01:31:33,930 --> 01:31:33,694 accountability And the city 2772 01:31:33,694 --> 01:31:34,428 does not have a formal 2773 01:31:34,428 --> 01:31:36,828 enforceable policy that clearly 2774 01:31:38,331 --> 01:31:38,832 defines whether our KPIs should 2775 01:31:38,832 --> 01:31:40,832 be aspirational or 2776 01:31:42,703 --> 01:31:43,369 realistically achievable. 2777 01:31:43,369 --> 01:31:43,904 I appreciate that this was 2778 01:31:43,904 --> 01:31:44,438 named in the report. 2779 01:31:44,438 --> 01:31:46,807 I often talk about 2780 01:31:46,807 --> 01:31:47,608 the difference between 2781 01:31:47,608 --> 01:31:51,208 standards and goals and what do 2782 01:31:51,945 --> 01:31:52,812 we want to set standards for 2783 01:31:52,812 --> 01:31:56,416 our city and what do we want to 2784 01:31:56,416 --> 01:31:56,816 aspire to be as a city in 2785 01:31:56,816 --> 01:31:57,518 the future? 2786 01:31:57,518 --> 01:32:00,518 And the city should absolutely 2787 01:32:01,354 --> 01:32:01,988 be aiming high and signaling 2788 01:32:01,988 --> 01:32:02,655 what excellent looks like 2789 01:32:02,655 --> 01:32:05,655 excellence looks like And at 2790 01:32:06,627 --> 01:32:07,361 the same time we need targets 2791 01:32:07,361 --> 01:32:08,610 that are honest about current 2792 01:32:08,610 --> 01:32:08,729 capacity and budget so we can 2793 01:32:08,729 --> 01:32:11,129 measure our progress toward 2794 01:32:11,531 --> 01:32:12,298 those standards. 2795 01:32:12,298 --> 01:32:12,933 So finding two lays out a 2796 01:32:12,933 --> 01:32:14,933 couple of recommendations. 2797 01:32:16,136 --> 01:32:16,804 I'm wondering if if the auditor 2798 01:32:16,804 --> 01:32:19,804 could walk us through what 2799 01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:21,708 implementation of those 2800 01:32:21,708 --> 01:32:24,708 findings would look like in 2801 01:32:25,879 --> 01:32:26,447 practice Specifically are there 2802 01:32:26,447 --> 01:32:27,147 changes in department 2803 01:32:27,147 --> 01:32:29,147 operations reporting structure 2804 01:32:30,384 --> 01:32:31,351 oversight? 2805 01:32:31,351 --> 01:32:31,651 I can take a first crack at 2806 01:32:31,651 --> 01:32:33,651 that. 2807 01:32:35,522 --> 01:32:36,256 So finding two there's a couple 2808 01:32:36,256 --> 01:32:36,557 of recommendations that go with 2809 01:32:36,557 --> 01:32:38,557 that. 2810 01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:40,327 The easier one is a smaller one 2811 01:32:40,327 --> 01:32:43,930 just has to do with the city 2812 01:32:43,930 --> 01:32:44,664 attorney's office to develop a 2813 01:32:44,664 --> 01:32:45,650 kpi and they've actually agreed 2814 01:32:45,650 --> 01:32:45,699 to do that. 2815 01:32:45,699 --> 01:32:48,990 So implementation to your 2816 01:32:48,268 --> 01:32:49,690 question there implementation 2817 01:32:49,690 --> 01:32:49,837 should be good to go there and 2818 01:32:49,837 --> 01:32:52,837 we'll check that with our 2819 01:32:53,373 --> 01:32:53,774 regular recommendation follow 2820 01:32:53,774 --> 01:32:54,541 up process. 2821 01:32:54,541 --> 01:32:56,941 The other recommendation in 2822 01:32:58,212 --> 01:33:00,612 that finding was essentially 2823 01:33:02,917 --> 01:33:03,717 the kpi philosophy which goes 2824 01:33:03,717 --> 01:33:04,385 to that chart we had on there. 2825 01:33:04,385 --> 01:33:04,751 The blue bars are all over 2826 01:33:04,751 --> 01:33:06,751 the place. 2827 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:08,756 Some departments are achieving 2828 01:33:08,756 --> 01:33:10,756 0%, some are achieving 100%. 2829 01:33:12,526 --> 01:33:13,160 So the to bring it back to your 2830 01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:13,861 question about what would 2831 01:33:13,861 --> 01:33:14,494 implementation look look like 2832 01:33:14,494 --> 01:33:17,310 there, I think Panda would 2833 01:33:17,310 --> 01:33:17,730 probably be the lead 2834 01:33:17,730 --> 01:33:18,400 quarterback working with city 2835 01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:19,990 leadership hopefully such as 2836 01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:22,990 yourselves in your offices in 2837 01:33:22,503 --> 01:33:22,803 terms of like what do we want 2838 01:33:22,803 --> 01:33:23,871 to do? 2839 01:33:23,871 --> 01:33:26,807 Do we want to do a mix of 2840 01:33:26,807 --> 01:33:27,474 realistic and aspirational KPIs 2841 01:33:27,474 --> 01:33:31,740 like they do at the federal 2842 01:33:31,445 --> 01:33:32,460 government or the city and 2843 01:33:32,460 --> 01:33:32,813 county of San Francisco? 2844 01:33:32,813 --> 01:33:35,850 Some other examples So it would 2845 01:33:35,850 --> 01:33:36,584 really be probably Panda 2846 01:33:36,584 --> 01:33:37,250 working with city leadership to 2847 01:33:37,250 --> 01:33:39,650 articulate that guidance for 2848 01:33:40,788 --> 01:33:41,589 departments so that we as a 2849 01:33:41,589 --> 01:33:42,123 city are not just all of the So 2850 01:33:42,123 --> 01:33:44,523 all over the place. 2851 01:33:45,860 --> 01:33:46,627 Yeah well I certainly like 2852 01:33:46,627 --> 01:33:50,227 the idea of us setting some 2853 01:33:50,330 --> 01:33:51,310 standards vary across 2854 01:33:51,310 --> 01:33:53,431 departments of setting some 2855 01:33:55,690 --> 01:33:55,870 baseline nice expectations 2856 01:33:55,870 --> 01:33:58,870 about what the public and 2857 01:33:59,740 --> 01:34:00,441 the council should expect from 2858 01:34:00,441 --> 01:34:02,841 different departments And then 2859 01:34:04,478 --> 01:34:05,546 you know always aspiring to do 2860 01:34:05,546 --> 01:34:09,417 to do better And and in that 2861 01:34:09,417 --> 01:34:10,117 conversation there should be an 2862 01:34:10,117 --> 01:34:10,850 understanding of what would be 2863 01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:13,487 required in terms of resourcing 2864 01:34:13,487 --> 01:34:13,787 in order to get to that higher 2865 01:34:13,787 --> 01:34:14,589 level. 2866 01:34:14,589 --> 01:34:15,289 So thank you again for all 2867 01:34:15,289 --> 01:34:18,889 the work that went into this. 2868 01:34:19,527 --> 01:34:20,227 I very much appreciate it. 2869 01:34:20,227 --> 01:34:20,894 >> That concludes my comments. 2870 01:34:20,894 --> 01:34:21,261 Council PRESIDENT All right. 2871 01:34:21,261 --> 01:34:23,261 Thank you. 2872 01:34:24,832 --> 01:34:25,466 Council Member We'll overall go 2873 01:34:25,466 --> 01:34:25,800 next to Council member Von 2874 01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:27,735 Wolpert. 2875 01:34:27,735 --> 01:34:28,235 >> Thank you for the audit and 2876 01:34:28,235 --> 01:34:29,102 the work on this. 2877 01:34:29,102 --> 01:34:33,141 It has been a challenge to try 2878 01:34:33,141 --> 01:34:33,875 and negotiate how KPIs are 2879 01:34:33,875 --> 01:34:34,542 tracked across budget years and 2880 01:34:34,542 --> 01:34:36,942 sometimes KPIs are different 2881 01:34:37,178 --> 01:34:37,878 across budget years without any 2882 01:34:37,878 --> 01:34:38,546 notice and sometimes there are 2883 01:34:38,546 --> 01:34:41,682 no KPIs And so I just 2884 01:34:41,682 --> 01:34:42,820 appreciate you doing this work 2885 01:34:42,820 --> 01:34:43,490 as well. 2886 01:34:43,490 --> 01:34:46,554 I think one question I do have 2887 01:34:46,554 --> 01:34:47,221 and it might be for our 2888 01:34:47,221 --> 01:34:47,922 management side is how do we 2889 01:34:47,922 --> 01:34:50,322 involve our workers in 2890 01:34:51,892 --> 01:34:52,493 developing our KPIs Because our 2891 01:34:52,493 --> 01:34:53,161 unions are represented, 2892 01:34:53,161 --> 01:34:56,161 Employees are the ones doing 2893 01:34:56,397 --> 01:34:57,650 the work every day and so they 2894 01:34:57,650 --> 01:34:57,731 MAY see things on the ground 2895 01:34:57,731 --> 01:34:58,266 that our management doesn't. 2896 01:34:58,266 --> 01:34:58,966 So how do we involve 2897 01:34:58,966 --> 01:35:01,966 the workers in developing our 2898 01:35:03,838 --> 01:35:04,605 goals for our city? 2899 01:35:04,605 --> 01:35:05,473 That's a great question and I 2900 01:35:05,473 --> 01:35:09,730 know for our team working on 2901 01:35:09,444 --> 01:35:12,847 KPIs where we want to involve 2902 01:35:12,847 --> 01:35:13,247 as many people as possible in 2903 01:35:13,247 --> 01:35:13,915 the process. 2904 01:35:13,915 --> 01:35:14,716 One of our constraints last 2905 01:35:14,716 --> 01:35:18,316 year was we see positions from 2906 01:35:18,486 --> 01:35:19,120 the team that works on KPIs 2907 01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:19,754 were reduced and this year 2908 01:35:19,754 --> 01:35:21,754 we're anticipating another 2909 01:35:22,423 --> 01:35:23,357 reduction. 2910 01:35:23,357 --> 01:35:24,580 So that does kind of limit our 2911 01:35:24,580 --> 01:35:27,580 capacity to do as many 2912 01:35:27,662 --> 01:35:28,295 workshops and get as much input 2913 01:35:28,295 --> 01:35:31,895 as we as we would like. 2914 01:35:32,166 --> 01:35:32,967 But I think you bring a really 2915 01:35:32,967 --> 01:35:33,568 valid point and we do work with 2916 01:35:33,568 --> 01:35:35,568 departments largely upon 2917 01:35:37,538 --> 01:35:38,239 request from the departments 2918 01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:38,906 will reach out for a coaching 2919 01:35:38,906 --> 01:35:41,843 session and that's a great 2920 01:35:41,843 --> 01:35:42,543 opportunity to analyze 2921 01:35:42,543 --> 01:35:43,311 the employee sentiment survey 2922 01:35:43,311 --> 01:35:46,614 results we do twice a year So 2923 01:35:46,614 --> 01:35:47,348 that's one great way to 2924 01:35:47,348 --> 01:35:48,150 incorporate feedback but we can 2925 01:35:48,150 --> 01:35:51,615 look into that more and make 2926 01:35:51,952 --> 01:35:52,220 sure that we're casting a wider 2927 01:35:52,220 --> 01:35:52,820 net. 2928 01:35:52,820 --> 01:35:53,388 Yeah, immediately within 2929 01:35:53,388 --> 01:35:55,788 the areas for example 2930 01:35:56,490 --> 01:35:57,158 the represented employees all 2931 01:35:57,158 --> 01:35:57,826 have leadership within their 2932 01:35:57,826 --> 01:35:58,460 unions and so they could be 2933 01:35:58,460 --> 01:36:00,860 very helpful in providing 2934 01:36:01,229 --> 01:36:01,596 feedback to us. 2935 01:36:01,596 --> 01:36:02,330 All right. 2936 01:36:02,330 --> 01:36:03,164 Well I appreciate the work on 2937 01:36:03,164 --> 01:36:06,764 this and I'm looking forward to 2938 01:36:07,768 --> 01:36:08,103 improving our KPIs going 2939 01:36:08,103 --> 01:36:08,535 forward. 2940 01:36:08,535 --> 01:36:08,903 >> Thank you. 2941 01:36:08,903 --> 01:36:09,237 All right. 2942 01:36:09,237 --> 01:36:11,237 Thanks. 2943 01:36:11,706 --> 01:36:12,440 Councilmember Velma Wolpert not 2944 01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:13,740 see anybody else in the lights. 2945 01:36:13,740 --> 01:36:13,441 Phil offer a few closing 2946 01:36:13,441 --> 01:36:15,441 comments. 2947 01:36:16,410 --> 01:36:16,744 I want to thank you, COUNCILMAN 2948 01:36:16,744 --> 01:36:17,212 Foster. 2949 01:36:17,212 --> 01:36:17,578 You can jump in. 2950 01:36:17,578 --> 01:36:18,213 Thank you. 2951 01:36:18,213 --> 01:36:20,613 i have my apologies. 2952 01:36:20,982 --> 01:36:23,982 Council PRESIDENT I mean I'll 2953 01:36:24,852 --> 01:36:25,520 keep my comments brief because 2954 01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:26,187 this has been something that 2955 01:36:26,187 --> 01:36:29,187 has been discussed for quite 2956 01:36:30,250 --> 01:36:33,250 some time and I appreciate 2957 01:36:34,262 --> 01:36:34,562 the work of the auditor on 2958 01:36:34,562 --> 01:36:36,562 this. 2959 01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:39,801 I think it's good to have this 2960 01:36:39,801 --> 01:36:40,370 item come forward acknowledge 2961 01:36:40,370 --> 01:36:43,370 that the KPIs do need 2962 01:36:44,500 --> 01:36:44,306 the extensive work that they do 2963 01:36:44,306 --> 01:36:45,720 need. 2964 01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,750 Also appreciate the comments by 2965 01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:51,275 the ipa when as it relates to 2966 01:36:51,513 --> 01:36:52,547 equity. 2967 01:36:52,547 --> 01:36:53,248 But I do want to say this and I 2968 01:36:53,248 --> 01:36:55,648 do appreciate how this 2969 01:36:56,850 --> 01:36:59,250 conversation is tied to 2970 01:37:01,923 --> 01:37:02,790 the budget but it does leave me 2971 01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:06,795 in a position as I have dealt 2972 01:37:06,795 --> 01:37:10,395 with these over the years and 2973 01:37:11,132 --> 01:37:12,100 it takes me back to operations 2974 01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:16,300 and as I say, do our directors 2975 01:37:16,538 --> 01:37:17,139 truly understand what their 2976 01:37:17,139 --> 01:37:19,539 book of business, their 2977 01:37:21,175 --> 01:37:22,770 obligation and how to execute 2978 01:37:22,770 --> 01:37:25,647 in accordance with all of our 2979 01:37:25,647 --> 01:37:26,348 standards The charter federal 2980 01:37:26,348 --> 01:37:28,348 statutory requirements, state 2981 01:37:30,718 --> 01:37:31,686 requirements and our policies 2982 01:37:31,686 --> 01:37:35,457 that we set right As we talk 2983 01:37:35,457 --> 01:37:36,158 about the council, as we talk 2984 01:37:36,158 --> 01:37:39,158 about council policies, as we 2985 01:37:40,195 --> 01:37:41,630 talk about how important equity 2986 01:37:41,630 --> 01:37:44,466 is as you can see when we have 2987 01:37:44,466 --> 01:37:45,133 an equity conversation I do 2988 01:37:45,133 --> 01:37:45,767 appreciate the transparency 2989 01:37:45,767 --> 01:37:48,767 that we're hearing as now 2990 01:37:49,971 --> 01:37:50,605 the you know, the Department of 2991 01:37:50,605 --> 01:37:53,605 Race and Equity is in 2992 01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:55,610 the office because Kim, I will 2993 01:37:55,610 --> 01:37:56,278 tell you I appreciate 2994 01:37:56,278 --> 01:37:58,678 the conversations that we've 2995 01:37:59,140 --> 01:37:59,781 been having over the past month 2996 01:37:59,781 --> 01:38:00,415 as we are looking at what 2997 01:38:00,415 --> 01:38:02,815 improvements we can make. 2998 01:38:04,219 --> 01:38:04,919 But I think this drives to 2999 01:38:04,919 --> 01:38:05,687 the bigger picture And what I 3000 01:38:05,687 --> 01:38:09,287 have been saying that it's very 3001 01:38:09,658 --> 01:38:10,325 important that we do have a ceo 3002 01:38:10,325 --> 01:38:12,725 and someone with operational 3003 01:38:13,962 --> 01:38:14,629 experience because I think we 3004 01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:17,629 need that expertise to make 3005 01:38:19,935 --> 01:38:20,535 sure that we are executing and 3006 01:38:20,535 --> 01:38:21,236 meeting our obligation. 3007 01:38:21,236 --> 01:38:24,236 So with that council PRESIDENT 3008 01:38:24,506 --> 01:38:25,274 I will leave that there As 3009 01:38:25,274 --> 01:38:25,973 Budget Chair I will say I am 3010 01:38:25,973 --> 01:38:28,544 very open to this conversation 3011 01:38:28,544 --> 01:38:29,311 Looking forward to this 3012 01:38:29,311 --> 01:38:32,311 conversation but I am looking 3013 01:38:33,949 --> 01:38:34,516 for impact transparency and 3014 01:38:34,516 --> 01:38:35,317 accountability, right? 3015 01:38:35,317 --> 01:38:39,287 I just can't I just have to 3016 01:38:39,287 --> 01:38:39,754 make sure I state that. 3017 01:38:39,754 --> 01:38:40,188 So thank you. 3018 01:38:40,188 --> 01:38:40,856 All right. 3019 01:38:40,856 --> 01:38:42,856 Thanks Councilmember Foster 3020 01:38:44,590 --> 01:38:44,726 again, not to anybody else No 3021 01:38:44,726 --> 01:38:45,930 lights off for a few closing 3022 01:38:45,930 --> 01:38:47,930 comments. 3023 01:38:48,197 --> 01:38:48,897 Thank you To the office of 3024 01:38:48,897 --> 01:38:49,598 the Independent Audit Auditors 3025 01:38:49,598 --> 01:38:52,634 for the good work that you've 3026 01:38:52,634 --> 01:38:53,435 done in bringing this forward 3027 01:38:53,435 --> 01:38:54,203 and putting it in good plain 3028 01:38:54,203 --> 01:38:57,706 speak so that we could wrap our 3029 01:38:57,706 --> 01:38:58,340 heads around it. 3030 01:38:58,340 --> 01:39:01,940 Thank you for the work of 3031 01:39:02,811 --> 01:39:03,579 Performance Analytics Panda for 3032 01:39:03,579 --> 01:39:07,283 the work that you do and thank 3033 01:39:07,283 --> 01:39:08,150 you to the office of the ipa. 3034 01:39:08,150 --> 01:39:11,615 Clearly the move that the City 3035 01:39:11,820 --> 01:39:12,521 Council made last JUNE to embed 3036 01:39:12,521 --> 01:39:16,121 the Office of Race and Equity 3037 01:39:17,493 --> 01:39:18,194 in ipa was a very smart one and 3038 01:39:18,194 --> 01:39:18,761 I think it's ultimately going 3039 01:39:18,761 --> 01:39:21,161 to be very productive. 3040 01:39:21,864 --> 01:39:22,598 I was one of those individuals 3041 01:39:22,598 --> 01:39:26,100 who had a very, very, very low 3042 01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:29,100 opinion of KPIs going forward 3043 01:39:31,373 --> 01:39:32,740 and until I actually heard a 3044 01:39:32,740 --> 01:39:35,740 briefing from MR. Iseman and 3045 01:39:35,277 --> 01:39:36,450 folks from Panda I had little 3046 01:39:36,450 --> 01:39:36,745 hope that there was anything to 3047 01:39:36,745 --> 01:39:38,745 be resurrected recommendations 3048 01:39:40,249 --> 01:39:40,783 or not if there was no path 3049 01:39:40,783 --> 01:39:41,517 forward why bother? 3050 01:39:41,517 --> 01:39:44,517 And I think it's somewhat 3051 01:39:44,853 --> 01:39:45,554 ironic that most of the work 3052 01:39:45,554 --> 01:39:46,322 that's going to be done going 3053 01:39:46,322 --> 01:39:49,792 forward is being done by those 3054 01:39:49,792 --> 01:39:50,492 middle managers who often get 3055 01:39:50,492 --> 01:39:50,960 castigated as the problem with 3056 01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:52,960 our city budget. 3057 01:39:54,396 --> 01:39:55,970 So I look forward to those 3058 01:39:55,970 --> 01:39:58,970 middle managers who bring that 3059 01:39:59,334 --> 01:39:59,835 expertise to the conversation 3060 01:39:59,835 --> 01:40:00,503 and change it. 3061 01:40:00,503 --> 01:40:04,103 The only thing I didn't hear 3062 01:40:04,307 --> 01:40:05,740 and I appreciate Councilmember 3063 01:40:05,740 --> 01:40:05,674 Moreno and her leadership at 3064 01:40:05,674 --> 01:40:08,740 the audit committee and 3065 01:40:08,978 --> 01:40:09,678 Councilmember Whitman's role on 3066 01:40:09,678 --> 01:40:13,278 the audit committee as well is 3067 01:40:13,649 --> 01:40:14,483 where do we go from here? 3068 01:40:14,483 --> 01:40:15,151 And a couple of things that 3069 01:40:15,151 --> 01:40:18,120 were mentioned I would like 3070 01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:18,821 this is there's no action item 3071 01:40:18,821 --> 01:40:22,421 here but to suggest that we 3072 01:40:22,958 --> 01:40:23,626 don't do a dashboard we've 3073 01:40:23,626 --> 01:40:24,360 already convinced ourselves 3074 01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,360 that the KPIs historically were 3075 01:40:27,930 --> 01:40:28,631 not worthy. 3076 01:40:28,631 --> 01:40:31,631 Why bother repeating them And 3077 01:40:33,603 --> 01:40:34,370 even to go so far as to suggest 3078 01:40:34,370 --> 01:40:37,874 that we don't put any KPIs in 3079 01:40:37,874 --> 01:40:38,541 the f y 27 budget The work that 3080 01:40:38,541 --> 01:40:39,208 panned out and the Office of 3081 01:40:39,208 --> 01:40:42,208 recent Equity is doing I've 3082 01:40:42,478 --> 01:40:43,212 already heard will not be 3083 01:40:43,212 --> 01:40:45,612 completed or reintroduced until 3084 01:40:48,284 --> 01:40:48,985 after the budget has to be 3085 01:40:48,985 --> 01:40:49,619 adopted So why keep repeating 3086 01:40:49,619 --> 01:40:52,619 stuff that actually is not 3087 01:40:52,755 --> 01:40:53,556 helpful that the councils are 3088 01:40:53,556 --> 01:40:54,223 not off Council members are not 3089 01:40:54,223 --> 01:40:56,623 using that departments don't 3090 01:40:57,827 --> 01:40:58,528 really believe in And so that 3091 01:40:58,528 --> 01:41:02,128 would be my suggestion just to 3092 01:41:02,498 --> 01:41:03,320 strip the KPIs out of the f y 3093 01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:03,766 27 proposed budget. 3094 01:41:03,766 --> 01:41:04,167 Let's take a let's start a 3095 01:41:04,167 --> 01:41:06,167 clean slate. 3096 01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:08,370 Let's go back to Ground Zero 3097 01:41:08,370 --> 01:41:11,370 Given what we've learned what 3098 01:41:12,374 --> 01:41:13,760 the auditors figured out, what 3099 01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,676 the aba is determining and use 3100 01:41:16,846 --> 01:41:17,647 that as the new baseline going 3101 01:41:17,647 --> 01:41:18,347 forward and maybe allows us to 3102 01:41:18,347 --> 01:41:19,182 focus a little bit more on how 3103 01:41:19,182 --> 01:41:21,784 we're going to balance in our 3104 01:41:21,784 --> 01:41:22,452 budget rather than creating 3105 01:41:22,452 --> 01:41:22,752 tools that won't be done in 3106 01:41:22,752 --> 01:41:24,752 time. 3107 01:41:26,823 --> 01:41:30,793 The last thing I'll say is and 3108 01:41:30,793 --> 01:41:31,560 I it probably didn't need to be 3109 01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:32,261 said in this audit but I would 3110 01:41:32,261 --> 01:41:35,261 throw out there the city 3111 01:41:35,932 --> 01:41:36,265 departments don't produce 3112 01:41:36,265 --> 01:41:36,966 widgets. 3113 01:41:36,966 --> 01:41:37,700 Some departments do something 3114 01:41:37,700 --> 01:41:40,837 You can say did you produce You 3115 01:41:40,837 --> 01:41:41,504 should be producing ten widgets 3116 01:41:41,504 --> 01:41:42,205 a day Are you producing ten 3117 01:41:42,205 --> 01:41:45,805 Which is a very easy metric. 3118 01:41:45,875 --> 01:41:50,750 A lot of what departments do is 3119 01:41:50,313 --> 01:41:51,470 responding proactively or 3120 01:41:51,470 --> 01:41:51,481 reactively to what we see going 3121 01:41:51,481 --> 01:41:53,481 on around us. 3122 01:41:55,818 --> 01:41:56,119 They're responding to new state 3123 01:41:56,119 --> 01:41:56,786 laws. 3124 01:41:56,786 --> 01:41:57,520 I'm working on policy that I 3125 01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,756 don't want to be working on but 3126 01:41:59,756 --> 01:42:00,455 Sacramento made a new law and I 3127 01:42:00,455 --> 01:42:00,757 have to stop everything I'm 3128 01:42:00,757 --> 01:42:02,757 doing. 3129 01:42:04,894 --> 01:42:05,562 Focus on that So but 3130 01:42:05,562 --> 01:42:08,562 the initial briefing of what 3131 01:42:10,133 --> 01:42:10,867 When I see where panda and 3132 01:42:10,867 --> 01:42:11,601 the eBay is going gives me hope 3133 01:42:11,601 --> 01:42:15,201 that we can actually figure out 3134 01:42:15,572 --> 01:42:16,439 and tailor KPIs. 3135 01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:19,609 I know my colleagues have said 3136 01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:20,310 both can be very fundamental, 3137 01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:23,310 can also be aspirational and 3138 01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:25,114 that also tries to figure out 3139 01:42:25,114 --> 01:42:25,782 what resources we need to 3140 01:42:25,782 --> 01:42:28,182 actually deliver those KPIs 3141 01:42:29,852 --> 01:42:30,320 which I think has always been 3142 01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:30,920 sorely lacking. 3143 01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:31,621 So with that I'll stop. 3144 01:42:31,621 --> 01:42:32,288 Again, thank you to everybody 3145 01:42:32,288 --> 01:42:33,957 that's brought this forward. 3146 01:42:33,957 --> 01:42:34,256 This was an important thing to 3147 01:42:34,256 --> 01:42:34,824 hear. 3148 01:42:34,824 --> 01:42:35,525 It took us a while. 3149 01:42:35,525 --> 01:42:38,261 The agenda is out so I 3150 01:42:38,261 --> 01:42:38,561 appreciate your patience as 3151 01:42:38,561 --> 01:42:38,928 well. 3152 01:42:38,928 --> 01:42:39,628 All right. 3153 01:42:39,628 --> 01:42:43,228 Thank you Again, that was an 3154 01:42:43,333 --> 01:42:43,699 information item No motion was 3155 01:42:43,699 --> 01:42:44,333 required. 3156 01:42:44,333 --> 01:42:47,333 So with that Clark, please 3157 01:42:49,206 --> 01:42:49,672 introduce item f501. 3158 01:42:49,672 --> 01:42:51,672 >> Thank you. 3159 01:42:52,676 --> 01:42:53,375 Council PRESIDENT Items 501 is 3160 01:42:53,375 --> 01:42:53,976 the consideration of an empty 3161 01:42:53,976 --> 01:42:54,611 homes tax ballot measure 3162 01:42:54,611 --> 01:42:57,110 proposal by council member 3163 01:42:57,714 --> 01:42:58,381 Shawn Illo Rivera If you're 3164 01:42:58,381 --> 01:42:59,480 here in council chambers and 3165 01:42:59,480 --> 01:43:02,185 would like to speak to this 3166 01:43:02,185 --> 01:43:02,851 item please be sure to submit a 3167 01:43:02,851 --> 01:43:03,486 speaker slip to the front of 3168 01:43:03,486 --> 01:43:04,321 the room in the clear box. 3169 01:43:04,321 --> 01:43:06,990 If you have people seating you 3170 01:43:06,990 --> 01:43:07,691 time please be sure to submit 3171 01:43:07,691 --> 01:43:08,424 those speakers slips together 3172 01:43:08,424 --> 01:43:11,761 If you are joining us virtually 3173 01:43:11,761 --> 01:43:12,529 now's the time to raise your 3174 01:43:12,529 --> 01:43:13,196 hand by pressing Star nine or 3175 01:43:13,196 --> 01:43:16,796 the raise your hand icon so 3176 01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:18,340 that we can hear from you. 3177 01:43:18,340 --> 01:43:18,401 >> Thank you, Council PRESIDENT 3178 01:43:18,401 --> 01:43:20,401 All right. 3179 01:43:21,371 --> 01:43:22,539 Thank you City Clerk With that 3180 01:43:22,539 --> 01:43:26,609 And before we turn it over for 3181 01:43:26,609 --> 01:43:27,310 the presentation, I see a 3182 01:43:27,310 --> 01:43:27,977 number of individuals some of 3183 01:43:27,977 --> 01:43:31,214 you perhaps even many of you 3184 01:43:31,214 --> 01:43:31,882 MAY be in chambers for the very 3185 01:43:31,882 --> 01:43:32,749 first time and just want to 3186 01:43:32,749 --> 01:43:35,919 offer a little bit of thought 3187 01:43:35,919 --> 01:43:36,553 about protocols going forward. 3188 01:43:36,553 --> 01:43:39,553 There's clearly a lot of 3189 01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:40,757 passion about this item You 3190 01:43:40,757 --> 01:43:41,457 will hear things you agree 3191 01:43:41,457 --> 01:43:44,861 with, you will hear things you 3192 01:43:44,861 --> 01:43:45,562 disagree with, extend 3193 01:43:45,562 --> 01:43:46,263 the courtesy to whether it is 3194 01:43:46,263 --> 01:43:46,997 staff, whether it is a council 3195 01:43:46,997 --> 01:43:50,133 member or whether it is a 3196 01:43:50,133 --> 01:43:50,500 member of the public that is 3197 01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:52,500 speaking. 3198 01:43:54,771 --> 01:43:55,538 What we have found at is really 3199 01:43:55,538 --> 01:43:59,138 quite effective is by giving us 3200 01:44:00,176 --> 01:44:00,844 hand signals You like what a 3201 01:44:00,844 --> 01:44:01,278 speaker is saying thumbs up 3202 01:44:01,278 --> 01:44:03,278 from up here. 3203 01:44:04,114 --> 01:44:04,781 It's very obvious what your 3204 01:44:04,781 --> 01:44:05,449 feelings aren't If you hear 3205 01:44:05,449 --> 01:44:05,749 things you don't like Thumbs 3206 01:44:05,749 --> 01:44:07,749 down. 3207 01:44:08,385 --> 01:44:08,919 Again a very strong visual 3208 01:44:08,919 --> 01:44:09,586 there but do extend 3209 01:44:09,586 --> 01:44:12,586 the courtesy to whoever is 3210 01:44:13,456 --> 01:44:14,291 speaking. 3211 01:44:14,291 --> 01:44:14,857 I know we're going to have a 3212 01:44:14,857 --> 01:44:16,760 lot of speakers here. 3213 01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:17,628 We want to give them every one 3214 01:44:17,628 --> 01:44:17,928 of them a chance to say their 3215 01:44:17,928 --> 01:44:18,662 piece. 3216 01:44:18,662 --> 01:44:22,650 And again, whether you agree or 3217 01:44:22,650 --> 01:44:22,866 disagree, extend the courtesy 3218 01:44:22,866 --> 01:44:26,466 to them and let's get started. 3219 01:44:27,371 --> 01:44:28,380 So with that I'm a turn over to 3220 01:44:28,380 --> 01:44:28,772 my colleague council member 3221 01:44:28,772 --> 01:44:31,408 Isla Rivera and after that will 3222 01:44:31,408 --> 01:44:31,975 turn to staff for 3223 01:44:31,975 --> 01:44:32,342 the presentation sir. 3224 01:44:32,342 --> 01:44:33,900 All right. 3225 01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:35,409 Thank you Council PRESIDENT. 3226 01:44:36,647 --> 01:44:37,414 Appreciate the opportunity. 3227 01:44:37,414 --> 01:44:38,114 I've just got some introductory 3228 01:44:38,114 --> 01:44:40,784 comments before we handed over 3229 01:44:40,784 --> 01:44:41,818 to Maya. 3230 01:44:41,818 --> 01:44:45,418 We're here for a really simple 3231 01:44:46,824 --> 01:44:47,524 reason and that's because San 3232 01:44:47,524 --> 01:44:50,260 Diego are paying too much for 3233 01:44:50,260 --> 01:44:50,894 housing and families can no 3234 01:44:50,894 --> 01:44:53,294 longer wait for additional 3235 01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:55,899 action when homes sit empty for 3236 01:44:55,899 --> 01:44:56,633 most of the year during a 3237 01:44:56,633 --> 01:44:56,933 housing shortage That hurts all 3238 01:44:56,933 --> 01:44:57,434 of us. 3239 01:44:57,434 --> 01:44:59,434 It hurts renters. 3240 01:45:00,104 --> 01:45:00,838 It hurts first time homebuyers. 3241 01:45:00,838 --> 01:45:01,371 It hurts the communities that 3242 01:45:01,371 --> 01:45:03,371 depend on teachers, 3243 01:45:04,541 --> 01:45:05,275 firefighters and other 3244 01:45:05,275 --> 01:45:05,943 essential workers being able to 3245 01:45:05,943 --> 01:45:08,943 live near where they serve. 3246 01:45:09,213 --> 01:45:09,847 Throughout this process we've 3247 01:45:09,847 --> 01:45:10,480 referenced the vision and 3248 01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:12,880 values that motivate this 3249 01:45:14,651 --> 01:45:15,486 proposal. 3250 01:45:15,486 --> 01:45:16,153 That's why I bring that up 3251 01:45:16,153 --> 01:45:19,153 because we want to reiterate 3252 01:45:19,389 --> 01:45:20,357 those and we simply want to. 3253 01:45:20,357 --> 01:45:21,570 And are you going to be a city 3254 01:45:21,570 --> 01:45:23,293 that works for the people who 3255 01:45:23,293 --> 01:45:24,161 live here where the people who 3256 01:45:24,161 --> 01:45:24,862 live here can see a future for 3257 01:45:24,862 --> 01:45:27,262 themselves, for their families 3258 01:45:28,265 --> 01:45:28,999 and their friends And we know 3259 01:45:28,999 --> 01:45:29,700 that that is only possible when 3260 01:45:29,700 --> 01:45:32,700 people believe that they will 3261 01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:33,837 be able to afford to live in 3262 01:45:33,837 --> 01:45:37,437 this city and ideally own a 3263 01:45:37,608 --> 01:45:38,275 home that can provide 3264 01:45:38,275 --> 01:45:38,976 the foundation they need to 3265 01:45:38,976 --> 01:45:39,309 grow a family and pursue their 3266 01:45:39,309 --> 01:45:41,309 dreams. 3267 01:45:41,945 --> 01:45:42,613 The proposal Maya will present 3268 01:45:42,613 --> 01:45:43,314 is the product of months and 3269 01:45:43,314 --> 01:45:43,613 months and months of rigorous 3270 01:45:43,613 --> 01:45:45,613 work. 3271 01:45:46,917 --> 01:45:47,651 We work closely with 3272 01:45:47,651 --> 01:45:48,385 the Treasurer's office to build 3273 01:45:48,385 --> 01:45:48,986 a measure that is operationally 3274 01:45:48,986 --> 01:45:50,986 sound and implementable. 3275 01:45:52,156 --> 01:45:52,890 We worked extremely closely 3276 01:45:52,890 --> 01:45:55,890 with the city Attorney's office 3277 01:45:56,627 --> 01:45:57,328 since late spring of last year 3278 01:45:57,328 --> 01:46:00,328 who brought in expert outside 3279 01:46:00,798 --> 01:46:01,398 counsel to ensure that council 3280 01:46:01,398 --> 01:46:01,966 and the public can feel 3281 01:46:01,966 --> 01:46:04,366 confident in the legal 3282 01:46:06,236 --> 01:46:06,637 foundation that this measure is 3283 01:46:06,637 --> 01:46:08,637 built upon. 3284 01:46:11,174 --> 01:46:11,775 To that point, some have raised 3285 01:46:11,775 --> 01:46:12,409 a similar measure in San 3286 01:46:12,409 --> 01:46:15,110 Francisco as a reason for 3287 01:46:15,110 --> 01:46:15,813 concern about the legal defense 3288 01:46:15,813 --> 01:46:19,413 ability of our proposal And I 3289 01:46:20,417 --> 01:46:21,118 saw what I will actually refer 3290 01:46:21,118 --> 01:46:21,818 to as pretty irresponsible not 3291 01:46:21,818 --> 01:46:24,218 even reporting but opinionated 3292 01:46:25,823 --> 01:46:26,456 about whether or not the amount 3293 01:46:26,456 --> 01:46:29,456 the proper amount of due 3294 01:46:30,127 --> 01:46:30,828 diligence has gone into 3295 01:46:30,828 --> 01:46:31,428 bringing this measure forward. 3296 01:46:31,428 --> 01:46:34,428 I want to reiterate that 3297 01:46:34,432 --> 01:46:35,298 the city attorney's office has 3298 01:46:35,298 --> 01:46:38,898 been working on this since last 3299 01:46:39,370 --> 01:46:40,700 summer. 3300 01:46:40,700 --> 01:46:40,705 They've brought in outside 3301 01:46:40,705 --> 01:46:41,372 counsel and they've worked 3302 01:46:41,372 --> 01:46:44,341 extremely hard and I want to 3303 01:46:44,341 --> 01:46:45,420 make sure that that work is 3304 01:46:45,420 --> 01:46:47,442 appreciated because there has 3305 01:46:48,713 --> 01:46:49,413 been a significant amount of 3306 01:46:49,413 --> 01:46:53,451 work And the result of that is 3307 01:46:53,451 --> 01:46:54,510 is a measure that is clearly 3308 01:46:54,510 --> 01:46:54,718 distinguishable from San 3309 01:46:54,718 --> 01:46:57,118 Francisco much more closely 3310 01:46:58,522 --> 01:46:59,190 modeled on one that has 3311 01:46:59,190 --> 01:47:01,590 withstood this is operating 3312 01:47:03,294 --> 01:47:03,961 successfully without successful 3313 01:47:03,961 --> 01:47:04,261 legal challenge for over two 3314 01:47:04,261 --> 01:47:05,290 years. 3315 01:47:05,290 --> 01:47:08,650 With that I'll hand it over to 3316 01:47:08,650 --> 01:47:08,532 Maya for the presentation. 3317 01:47:08,532 --> 01:47:09,000 Thank you. 3318 01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:09,867 Good afternoon. 3319 01:47:09,867 --> 01:47:13,371 My name is my process Deputy 3320 01:47:13,371 --> 01:47:14,380 Chief of Staff for Policy on 3321 01:47:14,380 --> 01:47:14,372 behalf of Councilmember Eli 3322 01:47:14,372 --> 01:47:14,905 Rivera. 3323 01:47:14,905 --> 01:47:17,305 I'm here to present 3324 01:47:17,708 --> 01:47:18,309 the considering of an empty 3325 01:47:18,309 --> 01:47:19,430 homes tax ballot measure 3326 01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:20,812 proposal by Councilmember Shawn 3327 01:47:20,812 --> 01:47:24,412 Eli Rivera and I will need 12 3328 01:47:25,650 --> 01:47:26,384 minutes. 3329 01:47:26,384 --> 01:47:29,384 The requested action for this 3330 01:47:30,855 --> 01:47:31,455 item is as follows requests 3331 01:47:31,455 --> 01:47:33,855 the City Council adopts 3332 01:47:34,125 --> 01:47:34,892 the ordinance and some item 3333 01:47:34,892 --> 01:47:35,626 eight a place on the JUNE 2nd, 3334 01:47:35,626 --> 01:47:37,626 2026 municipal Special election 3335 01:47:39,731 --> 01:47:40,398 consolidate it with 3336 01:47:40,398 --> 01:47:42,798 the California State primary 3337 01:47:43,768 --> 01:47:44,502 election one measure amending 3338 01:47:44,502 --> 01:47:47,972 the San Diego Municipal Code by 3339 01:47:47,972 --> 01:47:48,739 adding Chapter three Article 12 3340 01:47:48,739 --> 01:47:50,739 Division one Sections 32 0101 3341 01:47:52,443 --> 01:47:52,977 through 30 201 23 relating to 3342 01:47:52,977 --> 01:47:55,377 an empty homes tax. 3343 01:47:57,715 --> 01:47:58,282 Furthermore requests that 3344 01:47:58,282 --> 01:47:58,983 the City Council adopt 3345 01:47:58,983 --> 01:48:01,586 the resolution and so we do so 3346 01:48:01,586 --> 01:48:02,253 item b directing the city 3347 01:48:02,253 --> 01:48:02,854 Attorney to prepare a ballot 3348 01:48:02,854 --> 01:48:05,854 title and summary and an 3349 01:48:06,557 --> 01:48:07,258 impartial analysis directing 3350 01:48:07,258 --> 01:48:07,925 the Mayor, independent budget 3351 01:48:07,925 --> 01:48:08,526 analyst and city auditor to 3352 01:48:08,526 --> 01:48:10,926 prepare a fiscal impact 3353 01:48:11,496 --> 01:48:12,163 analysis and assigning ballot 3354 01:48:12,163 --> 01:48:12,864 arguments all regarding one 3355 01:48:12,864 --> 01:48:15,864 measure amending the San Diego 3356 01:48:16,134 --> 01:48:16,734 Municipal Code by adding 3357 01:48:16,734 --> 01:48:18,734 Chapter three Article 12 3358 01:48:20,710 --> 01:48:20,772 Division one Sections 32 0101 3359 01:48:20,772 --> 01:48:22,772 through 30 201 23 relating to 3360 01:48:25,276 --> 01:48:25,976 an empty homes tax to be 3361 01:48:25,976 --> 01:48:28,376 submitted to qualified voters 3362 01:48:29,347 --> 01:48:30,480 of the City of San Diego at 3363 01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:30,548 the Municipal Special election 3364 01:48:30,548 --> 01:48:31,216 consolidated with 3365 01:48:31,216 --> 01:48:33,616 the California State primary 3366 01:48:34,385 --> 01:48:37,985 election to be held on JUNE 3367 01:48:39,290 --> 01:48:40,570 2nd, 2026 2026. 3368 01:48:40,570 --> 01:48:40,792 Once again our vision of San 3369 01:48:40,792 --> 01:48:43,695 Diego that works for the people 3370 01:48:43,695 --> 01:48:44,261 who live here where everyone 3371 01:48:44,261 --> 01:48:44,962 can see a future for 3372 01:48:44,962 --> 01:48:47,362 themselves, their families and 3373 01:48:48,833 --> 01:48:49,434 their friends is what guides us 3374 01:48:49,434 --> 01:48:50,201 as well as our goals. 3375 01:48:50,201 --> 01:48:53,201 Homes for San Diegans Protect 3376 01:48:53,471 --> 01:48:54,500 San Diegans from displacement, 3377 01:48:54,500 --> 01:48:54,572 protect San Diego's 3378 01:48:54,572 --> 01:48:56,241 neighborhoods and make 3379 01:48:56,241 --> 01:48:58,641 speculative investors pay their 3380 01:49:01,246 --> 01:49:02,470 fair share. 3381 01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:02,814 In the United States there are 3382 01:49:02,814 --> 01:49:05,917 nearly as many homes kept for 3383 01:49:05,917 --> 01:49:06,451 seasonal recreational or 3384 01:49:06,451 --> 01:49:07,118 occasional use than 3385 01:49:07,118 --> 01:49:10,118 the combined number of homes 3386 01:49:10,789 --> 01:49:11,122 listed for rent or listed for 3387 01:49:11,122 --> 01:49:11,956 sale. 3388 01:49:11,956 --> 01:49:14,726 The us Census Bureau found that 3389 01:49:14,726 --> 01:49:15,327 in 2020 there were over 4.6 3390 01:49:15,327 --> 01:49:17,727 million homes vacant for 3391 01:49:19,364 --> 01:49:21,764 occasional use compared to 3.8 3392 01:49:22,801 --> 01:49:23,301 million for rent and 1.2 3393 01:49:23,301 --> 01:49:24,200 million for sale. 3394 01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:24,636 At the same time, the current 3395 01:49:24,636 --> 01:49:27,360 housing supply shortage is 3396 01:49:27,772 --> 01:49:30,172 estimated at 2.8 million homes 3397 01:49:32,210 --> 01:49:32,977 nationally. 3398 01:49:32,977 --> 01:49:33,711 Other cities are taking a stand 3399 01:49:33,711 --> 01:49:36,711 to counter the negative impacts 3400 01:49:37,148 --> 01:49:37,849 of empty homes and they are all 3401 01:49:37,849 --> 01:49:38,450 tailoring their approach based 3402 01:49:38,450 --> 01:49:40,450 on local circumstances. 3403 01:49:42,587 --> 01:49:43,254 In Berkeley voters approved 3404 01:49:43,254 --> 01:49:46,254 the empty homes tax in 2022. 3405 01:49:46,958 --> 01:49:47,726 The tax is imposed on homes 3406 01:49:47,726 --> 01:49:48,527 vacant for more than 182 days 3407 01:49:48,527 --> 01:49:51,527 annually and Berkeley has begun 3408 01:49:51,629 --> 01:49:52,230 collecting the tax. 3409 01:49:52,230 --> 01:49:54,230 The Montana legislature 3410 01:49:55,834 --> 01:49:56,501 increased taxes on residential 3411 01:49:56,501 --> 01:49:57,201 properties used as vacation 3412 01:49:57,201 --> 01:50:00,201 homes while reducing taxes for 3413 01:50:01,373 --> 01:50:02,107 primary residences and 3414 01:50:02,107 --> 01:50:02,674 Washington dc adopted a tax for 3415 01:50:02,674 --> 01:50:04,674 vacant residential and 3416 01:50:06,440 --> 01:50:08,440 commercial properties. 3417 01:50:11,216 --> 01:50:11,984 What is an empty home Empty 3418 01:50:11,984 --> 01:50:12,684 homes are homes that are not 3419 01:50:12,684 --> 01:50:15,787 the primary residents of a San 3420 01:50:15,787 --> 01:50:16,688 Diego and are left vacant for 3421 01:50:16,688 --> 01:50:17,189 more than 182 days a year or 3422 01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:19,589 over half a year. 3423 01:50:20,559 --> 01:50:21,258 These MAY be speculative 3424 01:50:21,258 --> 01:50:21,760 investments or a vacation home 3425 01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:23,760 for personal use. 3426 01:50:25,797 --> 01:50:26,598 Bottom line these are homes 3427 01:50:26,598 --> 01:50:30,198 the owner has chosen to keep 3428 01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:31,335 empty what is not an empty 3429 01:50:31,335 --> 01:50:32,104 home. 3430 01:50:32,104 --> 01:50:35,307 This tax will not apply to 3431 01:50:35,307 --> 01:50:36,740 homes where San Diegans live. 3432 01:50:36,740 --> 01:50:36,875 If you live in the home you 3433 01:50:36,875 --> 01:50:39,811 own, this does not apply to 3434 01:50:39,811 --> 01:50:40,646 your home. 3435 01:50:40,646 --> 01:50:41,446 If you are a renter in San 3436 01:50:41,446 --> 01:50:45,117 Diego you do not pay this tax 3437 01:50:45,117 --> 01:50:45,751 If you are a landlord to San 3438 01:50:45,751 --> 01:50:48,751 Diego tenants you and your 3439 01:50:49,121 --> 01:50:49,821 tenants do not pay this tax 3440 01:50:49,821 --> 01:50:50,522 whether your tenants are long 3441 01:50:50,522 --> 01:50:53,892 term or even medium term such 3442 01:50:53,892 --> 01:50:54,493 as traveling nurses who rent 3443 01:50:54,493 --> 01:50:56,893 for more than 30 days. 3444 01:50:57,796 --> 01:50:58,697 If you live in your home with 3445 01:50:58,697 --> 01:50:59,397 an 80 you that you keep empty 3446 01:50:59,397 --> 01:51:02,997 as an office or for occasional 3447 01:51:03,702 --> 01:51:04,570 visitors he will not be taxed 3448 01:51:04,570 --> 01:51:06,305 for your 80 you and whole home 3449 01:51:06,305 --> 01:51:06,938 year round 2 or 3 and for short 3450 01:51:06,938 --> 01:51:07,606 term rentals are not empty 3451 01:51:07,606 --> 01:51:10,606 homes in this ballot measure 3452 01:51:10,876 --> 01:51:11,576 and won't be taxed as they can 3453 01:51:11,576 --> 01:51:12,210 be occupied up to year round 3454 01:51:12,210 --> 01:51:14,610 and contribute revenue to 3455 01:51:15,414 --> 01:51:16,448 the city via Toti. 3456 01:51:16,448 --> 01:51:20,480 In other words 99% of San Diego 3457 01:51:20,319 --> 01:51:23,919 homes are not taxed, 99% of San 3458 01:51:24,389 --> 01:51:25,156 Diegans are not taxed and 100% 3459 01:51:25,156 --> 01:51:25,857 of homes lived in by San 3460 01:51:25,857 --> 01:51:28,857 Diegans are not taxed by 3461 01:51:29,528 --> 01:51:30,396 the empty homes tax. 3462 01:51:30,396 --> 01:51:33,996 Empty homes can be high priced 3463 01:51:34,733 --> 01:51:35,334 downtown condos with bay views 3464 01:51:35,334 --> 01:51:35,668 such as these on Pacific 3465 01:51:35,668 --> 01:51:37,668 Highway. 3466 01:51:39,471 --> 01:51:40,239 As you can see many of the Bay 3467 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:40,738 facing and top floor condos are 3468 01:51:40,738 --> 01:51:43,138 vacant in La Hoya. 3469 01:51:44,242 --> 01:51:44,844 Many of these beachfront condos 3470 01:51:44,844 --> 01:51:47,244 are also sitting empty. 3471 01:51:49,148 --> 01:51:49,782 But this is not just an issue 3472 01:51:49,782 --> 01:51:50,516 with luxury high rises and 3473 01:51:50,516 --> 01:51:52,916 beachfront properties which are 3474 01:51:54,386 --> 01:51:55,120 not affordable to most San 3475 01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:55,554 Diegans even if they did return 3476 01:51:55,554 --> 01:51:57,554 to the market. 3477 01:51:59,457 --> 01:52:00,125 There are also homes in our 3478 01:52:00,125 --> 01:52:00,526 neighborhoods that are being 3479 01:52:00,526 --> 01:52:01,160 left vacant. 3480 01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:03,963 These are homes that many 3481 01:52:03,963 --> 01:52:04,496 though certainly not all San 3482 01:52:04,496 --> 01:52:05,197 Diego families could 3483 01:52:05,197 --> 01:52:07,597 realistically afford if given 3484 01:52:08,601 --> 01:52:09,268 an opportunity Along Friars 3485 01:52:09,268 --> 01:52:11,668 Road there are 48 condos 3486 01:52:13,338 --> 01:52:14,106 sitting empty and not available 3487 01:52:14,106 --> 01:52:17,643 for a San Diegan to move into. 3488 01:52:17,643 --> 01:52:18,376 There are 36 in the college 3489 01:52:18,376 --> 01:52:21,376 area including three in this 3490 01:52:22,810 --> 01:52:22,915 condo. 3491 01:52:22,915 --> 01:52:26,510 The most up to date figure is 3492 01:52:26,510 --> 01:52:26,752 that there are currently 5140 3493 01:52:26,752 --> 01:52:29,752 homes sitting vacant with no 3494 01:52:30,689 --> 01:52:31,424 renter or owner living in them 3495 01:52:31,424 --> 01:52:32,240 based on the owners filing of a 3496 01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:34,424 second home exemption of 3497 01:52:35,127 --> 01:52:35,795 the rental unit business tax 3498 01:52:35,795 --> 01:52:38,195 with the Treasurer's office. 3499 01:52:39,865 --> 01:52:40,599 That exemption is the mechanism 3500 01:52:40,599 --> 01:52:40,899 available for identifying empty 3501 01:52:40,899 --> 01:52:41,600 homes. 3502 01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:44,600 The Treasurer's office will be 3503 01:52:45,237 --> 01:52:45,937 able to identify empty homes 3504 01:52:45,937 --> 01:52:47,273 using this available data that 3505 01:52:47,273 --> 01:52:50,873 has the flexibility to adapt in 3506 01:52:52,478 --> 01:52:53,212 the future. 3507 01:52:53,212 --> 01:52:53,813 The data shows that while these 3508 01:52:53,813 --> 01:52:55,813 properties exist across 3509 01:52:56,749 --> 01:52:57,283 the city in every community 3510 01:52:57,283 --> 01:52:58,500 they are especially 3511 01:52:58,500 --> 01:53:00,450 concentrated 45% of empty homes 3512 01:53:02,388 --> 01:53:03,155 are in the downtown La Hoya, 3513 01:53:03,155 --> 01:53:05,555 Pacific Beach and Peninsula 3514 01:53:06,658 --> 01:53:07,393 Communities. 3515 01:53:07,393 --> 01:53:10,393 Currently owners of empty homes 3516 01:53:11,397 --> 01:53:12,640 do not pay any additional taxes 3517 01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:12,665 or fees for their impact on 3518 01:53:12,665 --> 01:53:15,665 the cost of housing or 3519 01:53:16,369 --> 01:53:17,360 additional impacts such as 3520 01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:17,736 hollowing out neighborhoods, 3521 01:53:17,736 --> 01:53:20,136 reducing school enrollment and 3522 01:53:21,730 --> 01:53:21,507 changing the neighborhood 3523 01:53:21,507 --> 01:53:22,308 character. 3524 01:53:22,308 --> 01:53:25,811 For all these reasons we have 3525 01:53:25,811 --> 01:53:28,211 proposed an $8,000 annual tax 3526 01:53:28,581 --> 01:53:29,248 per empty home beginning in 3527 01:53:29,248 --> 01:53:29,882 2020 2027 which increases to 3528 01:53:29,882 --> 01:53:31,882 $10,000 beginning in 2028. 3529 01:53:33,819 --> 01:53:36,819 With cpi increases beginning in 3530 01:53:38,324 --> 01:53:38,991 2029 empty homes held by 3531 01:53:38,991 --> 01:53:39,658 corporate and institutional 3532 01:53:39,658 --> 01:53:41,658 investors impose additional 3533 01:53:42,361 --> 01:53:43,620 burdens on San Diego's housing 3534 01:53:43,620 --> 01:53:43,729 market by removing homes from 3535 01:53:43,729 --> 01:53:46,129 residential use and treating 3536 01:53:47,533 --> 01:53:48,000 housing primarily as a 3537 01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:48,701 financial asset. 3538 01:53:48,701 --> 01:53:51,701 Corporate ownership is also a 3539 01:53:52,572 --> 01:53:53,272 reasonable proxy for commercial 3540 01:53:53,272 --> 01:53:53,873 scale activity and speculative 3541 01:53:53,873 --> 01:53:55,873 behavior that undermines 3542 01:53:57,143 --> 01:53:57,844 neighborhood stability, reduces 3543 01:53:57,844 --> 01:53:58,444 housing availability and makes 3544 01:53:58,444 --> 01:54:01,444 it harder for San Diego 3545 01:54:01,481 --> 01:54:01,948 families to compete for 3546 01:54:01,948 --> 01:54:02,682 homeownership in 3547 01:54:02,682 --> 01:54:03,490 the communities where they live 3548 01:54:03,490 --> 01:54:03,649 and work. 3549 01:54:03,649 --> 01:54:05,649 Corporate entities often 3550 01:54:07,153 --> 01:54:07,787 benefit from structural 3551 01:54:07,787 --> 01:54:08,454 advantages that individual 3552 01:54:08,454 --> 01:54:10,854 homeowners do not including 3553 01:54:12,225 --> 01:54:12,892 easier access to capital. 3554 01:54:12,892 --> 01:54:13,626 The ability to make all cash 3555 01:54:13,626 --> 01:54:16,260 offers portfolio strategies and 3556 01:54:16,596 --> 01:54:17,196 the capacity to hold properties 3557 01:54:17,196 --> 01:54:17,896 vacant without the same 3558 01:54:17,896 --> 01:54:20,896 pressures faced by a household 3559 01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:21,900 seeking stable housing. 3560 01:54:21,900 --> 01:54:22,468 Those same structures can also 3561 01:54:22,468 --> 01:54:22,835 make enforcement more 3562 01:54:22,835 --> 01:54:24,835 difficult. 3563 01:54:25,805 --> 01:54:26,538 When an empty corporate owned 3564 01:54:26,538 --> 01:54:29,538 home creates blight code issues 3565 01:54:30,543 --> 01:54:31,244 or neighborhood impacts, it is 3566 01:54:31,244 --> 01:54:31,945 often harder for the city and 3567 01:54:31,945 --> 01:54:34,345 neighbors to quickly identify 3568 01:54:35,815 --> 01:54:36,516 responsible decision makers and 3569 01:54:36,516 --> 01:54:38,916 secure compliance in practice. 3570 01:54:40,253 --> 01:54:40,987 Llc and similar entities can 3571 01:54:40,987 --> 01:54:41,623 reduce transparency and diffuse 3572 01:54:41,623 --> 01:54:43,623 accountability Increasing 3573 01:54:45,325 --> 01:54:45,725 public costs and delaying 3574 01:54:45,725 --> 01:54:46,426 remediation. 3575 01:54:46,426 --> 01:54:49,426 For these reasons, imposing a 3576 01:54:50,196 --> 01:54:50,997 higher rate on corporate owned 3577 01:54:50,997 --> 01:54:51,698 empty homes is a fair and 3578 01:54:51,698 --> 01:54:54,980 administrative way to reflect 3579 01:54:54,567 --> 01:54:55,268 their disproportionate impact 3580 01:54:55,268 --> 01:54:55,869 promote compliance and protect 3581 01:54:55,869 --> 01:54:57,869 housing availability and 3582 01:55:00,730 --> 01:55:00,673 neighborhood quality. 3583 01:55:00,673 --> 01:55:01,407 Accordingly, the measure 3584 01:55:01,407 --> 01:55:03,807 applies an additional surcharge 3585 01:55:04,277 --> 01:55:06,277 of $4,000 beginning in 2027 3586 01:55:07,313 --> 01:55:08,281 increasing to $5,000 beginning 3587 01:55:08,281 --> 01:55:10,681 in 2028 with cpi increases 3588 01:55:11,217 --> 01:55:11,885 beginning in 2029. 3589 01:55:11,885 --> 01:55:14,285 We developed exclusions from 3590 01:55:16,156 --> 01:55:16,856 the tax that are reasonable and 3591 01:55:16,856 --> 01:55:17,290 allow for some empty homes to 3592 01:55:17,290 --> 01:55:17,991 not be taxed. 3593 01:55:17,991 --> 01:55:19,991 With appropriate verification 3594 01:55:21,227 --> 01:55:21,895 by the Treasurer's office. 3595 01:55:21,895 --> 01:55:23,895 Exclusions include disaster 3596 01:55:25,799 --> 01:55:26,565 period Family and residence 3597 01:55:26,565 --> 01:55:28,965 period homeowner period lease 3598 01:55:30,837 --> 01:55:33,237 period newly built housing 3599 01:55:34,975 --> 01:55:35,709 period non ownership period 3600 01:55:35,709 --> 01:55:38,709 owner death period Legacy owner 3601 01:55:39,346 --> 01:55:40,146 hardship period owner in care 3602 01:55:40,146 --> 01:55:42,546 period and qualifying military 3603 01:55:44,584 --> 01:55:45,184 service period. 3604 01:55:45,184 --> 01:55:47,184 Exemptions are slightly 3605 01:55:49,210 --> 01:55:49,756 different than exclusions but 3606 01:55:49,756 --> 01:55:50,424 still require verification from 3607 01:55:50,424 --> 01:55:50,856 the Treasurer to be exempted 3608 01:55:50,856 --> 01:55:52,856 from the tax. 3609 01:55:54,694 --> 01:55:55,395 This exemption an owner of an 3610 01:55:55,395 --> 01:55:58,995 empty home that had a bonafide 3611 01:55:59,650 --> 01:55:59,766 lease or leases for occupancy 3612 01:55:59,766 --> 01:56:00,534 for that specific residential 3613 01:56:00,534 --> 01:56:04,134 unit for more than 182 days in 3614 01:56:04,237 --> 01:56:04,871 the calendar year prior to its 3615 01:56:04,871 --> 01:56:05,472 becoming an empty home can 3616 01:56:05,472 --> 01:56:07,472 cover several different 3617 01:56:08,809 --> 01:56:09,476 scenarios where a rental 3618 01:56:09,476 --> 01:56:10,210 property is not occupied for 3619 01:56:10,210 --> 01:56:13,210 more than 182 days in a 3620 01:56:13,312 --> 01:56:13,979 calendar year. 3621 01:56:13,979 --> 01:56:16,979 Another exemption is for an 3622 01:56:18,617 --> 01:56:19,185 owner of a property composed of 3623 01:56:19,185 --> 01:56:19,786 four or fewer separate 3624 01:56:19,786 --> 01:56:21,786 residential units where 3625 01:56:22,456 --> 01:56:23,156 the owner occupies one of 3626 01:56:23,156 --> 01:56:26,156 the residential units as their 3627 01:56:27,394 --> 01:56:28,228 principal residence. 3628 01:56:28,228 --> 01:56:28,962 >> Our office began meeting 3629 01:56:28,962 --> 01:56:31,962 with the city Attorney's office 3630 01:56:32,365 --> 01:56:33,330 in MAY of last year to start 3631 01:56:33,330 --> 01:56:33,667 developing our original tax 3632 01:56:33,667 --> 01:56:34,200 proposal which followed a 3633 01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:36,200 similar framework as 3634 01:56:37,170 --> 01:56:37,737 the proposed empty homes tax 3635 01:56:37,737 --> 01:56:38,538 being presented today. 3636 01:56:38,538 --> 01:56:42,138 Ten months later our work with 3637 01:56:42,209 --> 01:56:42,876 the city Attorney's Office 3638 01:56:42,876 --> 01:56:45,276 which included engaging with 3639 01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:47,547 our outside counsel focused on 3640 01:56:47,547 --> 01:56:48,281 answering legal questions to 3641 01:56:48,281 --> 01:56:51,281 ensure that we felt comfortable 3642 01:56:51,485 --> 01:56:52,286 moving forward. 3643 01:56:52,286 --> 01:56:52,953 Before we even began drafting 3644 01:56:52,953 --> 01:56:55,953 the measure we presented our 3645 01:56:56,423 --> 01:56:57,124 previous proposal twice at 3646 01:56:57,124 --> 01:56:57,857 committee creating significant 3647 01:56:57,857 --> 01:56:58,458 opportunities for feedback from 3648 01:56:58,458 --> 01:57:00,858 the public and committee 3649 01:57:01,695 --> 01:57:02,429 members and shaping the current 3650 01:57:02,429 --> 01:57:04,965 proposal for an empty homes tax 3651 01:57:04,965 --> 01:57:05,432 that we brought forward two 3652 01:57:05,432 --> 01:57:06,980 rules last week. 3653 01:57:06,980 --> 01:57:09,980 If the measure moves forward 3654 01:57:10,300 --> 01:57:10,604 today and is placed on 3655 01:57:10,604 --> 01:57:11,337 the ballot that will be 3656 01:57:11,337 --> 01:57:12,720 the result of nearly ten months 3657 01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:14,508 of working in close partnership 3658 01:57:14,508 --> 01:57:15,208 with the city Attorney's office 3659 01:57:15,208 --> 01:57:15,842 and the Treasurer's office to 3660 01:57:15,842 --> 01:57:18,842 build a strong and legally 3661 01:57:19,579 --> 01:57:20,347 defensible ballot measure. 3662 01:57:20,347 --> 01:57:21,140 Then if this passes in JUNE 3663 01:57:21,140 --> 01:57:23,414 the Treasurer's office will 3664 01:57:24,551 --> 01:57:25,119 have over a year and a half to 3665 01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:25,786 develop administrative 3666 01:57:25,786 --> 01:57:28,186 regulations, hire staff and 3667 01:57:28,989 --> 01:57:29,655 procure tools needed to 3668 01:57:29,655 --> 01:57:32,550 implement the measure before 3669 01:57:33,527 --> 01:57:34,260 they will send the first bill. 3670 01:57:34,260 --> 01:57:34,895 The requested action for this 3671 01:57:34,895 --> 01:57:37,895 item again is as follows 3672 01:57:38,498 --> 01:57:39,199 Request the city Council adopt 3673 01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:42,199 the ordinance and submit them 3674 01:57:42,402 --> 01:57:43,370 to place on the JUNE 2nd, 2026 3675 01:57:43,370 --> 01:57:43,536 Municipal Special Election 3676 01:57:43,536 --> 01:57:44,204 Consolidated with 3677 01:57:44,204 --> 01:57:44,571 the California State Primary 3678 01:57:44,571 --> 01:57:46,571 election. 3679 01:57:47,474 --> 01:57:48,175 One measure amending the San 3680 01:57:48,175 --> 01:57:51,175 Diego Municipal Code by adding 3681 01:57:51,177 --> 01:57:51,945 Chapter three Article 12 3682 01:57:51,945 --> 01:57:53,945 Division one Sections 32 0101 3683 01:57:54,882 --> 01:57:55,416 through 30 201 23 relating to 3684 01:57:55,416 --> 01:57:57,816 an empty homes tax. 3685 01:57:59,520 --> 01:57:59,619 Furthermore request that 3686 01:57:59,619 --> 01:58:00,321 the City Council adopt 3687 01:58:00,321 --> 01:58:01,200 the resolution in five Item b 3688 01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:04,200 directing the City Attorney to 3689 01:58:04,580 --> 01:58:04,658 prepare a ballot title and 3690 01:58:04,658 --> 01:58:05,326 summary and an impartial 3691 01:58:05,326 --> 01:58:07,726 analysis directing the mayor 3692 01:58:08,963 --> 01:58:09,596 independent budget analyst and 3693 01:58:09,596 --> 01:58:10,230 city auditor to prepare a 3694 01:58:10,230 --> 01:58:12,630 fiscal impact analysis and 3695 01:58:14,201 --> 01:58:14,868 assigning ballot ballot 3696 01:58:14,868 --> 01:58:15,569 arguments all regarding one 3697 01:58:15,569 --> 01:58:16,169 measure amending the San Diego 3698 01:58:16,169 --> 01:58:18,569 Municipal Code by adding 3699 01:58:19,373 --> 01:58:21,373 chapter three Article 12 3700 01:58:22,976 --> 01:58:23,677 Division one Sections 32 0101 3701 01:58:23,677 --> 01:58:24,545 through 30 201 23 relating to 3702 01:58:24,545 --> 01:58:28,145 an empty homes tax to be 3703 01:58:28,282 --> 01:58:28,949 submitted to qualified voters 3704 01:58:28,949 --> 01:58:29,650 of the City of San Diego at 3705 01:58:29,650 --> 01:58:32,500 the Municipal Special election 3706 01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:33,687 Consolidated with 3707 01:58:33,687 --> 01:58:34,355 the California state primary 3708 01:58:34,355 --> 01:58:37,560 election to be held on JUNE 3709 01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:37,992 2nd, 2026. 3710 01:58:37,992 --> 01:58:41,592 I want to express our team's 3711 01:58:42,610 --> 01:58:42,763 appreciation for David and 3712 01:58:42,763 --> 01:58:43,464 Brett from the City Attorney's 3713 01:58:43,464 --> 01:58:46,766 office as well as Liz Ricardo, 3714 01:58:46,766 --> 01:58:47,368 Matt and Hiroto from 3715 01:58:47,368 --> 01:58:47,968 the Treasurer's office. 3716 01:58:47,968 --> 01:58:48,335 We are all available for 3717 01:58:48,335 --> 01:58:50,335 questions. 3718 01:58:51,371 --> 01:58:51,872 Thank you. 3719 01:58:51,872 --> 01:58:52,506 All right. 3720 01:58:52,506 --> 01:58:52,939 Thank you Mayor for your 3721 01:58:52,939 --> 01:58:53,674 presentation. 3722 01:58:53,674 --> 01:58:54,375 With that we'll turn it over to 3723 01:58:54,375 --> 01:58:56,420 the Office of the Independent 3724 01:58:56,420 --> 01:58:56,776 Budget Analyst. 3725 01:58:56,776 --> 01:58:59,776 Thank you Council PRESIDENT And 3726 01:59:00,614 --> 01:59:01,181 council members to help inform 3727 01:59:01,181 --> 01:59:01,915 the Rules Committee's 3728 01:59:01,915 --> 01:59:02,550 consideration of this item Last 3729 01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:05,519 week our office released a 3730 01:59:05,519 --> 01:59:06,220 report analyzing the potential 3731 01:59:06,220 --> 01:59:06,820 fiscal impacts of this measure 3732 01:59:06,820 --> 01:59:09,820 on Tuesday of last week. 3733 01:59:10,857 --> 01:59:11,559 As you are all aware and as you 3734 01:59:11,559 --> 01:59:12,258 heard in the recommendations, 3735 01:59:12,258 --> 01:59:12,693 should this item move forward 3736 01:59:12,693 --> 01:59:14,693 to the ballot? 3737 01:59:15,763 --> 01:59:16,497 My office in consultation with 3738 01:59:16,497 --> 01:59:17,970 the City Order and the cfo will 3739 01:59:17,970 --> 01:59:19,497 be tasked with preparing 3740 01:59:19,967 --> 01:59:20,468 the fiscal impact Statement for 3741 01:59:20,468 --> 01:59:21,134 the ballot. 3742 01:59:21,134 --> 01:59:21,736 Given the timeline for when 3743 01:59:21,736 --> 01:59:24,136 that statement must be 3744 01:59:24,605 --> 01:59:25,374 submitted which is MARCH 10th, 3745 01:59:25,374 --> 01:59:26,730 a week from the day we have 3746 01:59:26,730 --> 01:59:28,511 been working with the cfo and 3747 01:59:28,511 --> 01:59:29,176 the auditor over the last 3748 01:59:29,176 --> 01:59:29,877 several weeks and continued 3749 01:59:29,877 --> 01:59:30,511 working with them to finalize 3750 01:59:30,511 --> 01:59:32,911 our assumptions and fiscal 3751 01:59:33,914 --> 01:59:34,515 modeling that will go into that 3752 01:59:34,515 --> 01:59:35,249 potential fiscal impact. 3753 01:59:35,249 --> 01:59:38,185 I would note that some of our 3754 01:59:38,185 --> 01:59:38,886 projections have shifted 3755 01:59:38,886 --> 01:59:39,587 slightly since last week to 3756 01:59:39,587 --> 01:59:42,587 take into account their input. 3757 01:59:43,157 --> 01:59:43,824 And our presentation today will 3758 01:59:43,824 --> 01:59:44,558 reflect that although by and 3759 01:59:44,558 --> 01:59:47,558 large the overall takeaway that 3760 01:59:48,290 --> 01:59:48,762 we presented in our report in 3761 01:59:48,762 --> 01:59:49,630 our analysis last week remained 3762 01:59:49,630 --> 01:59:49,730 today. 3763 01:59:49,730 --> 01:59:51,799 Noah Fleishman from our team 3764 01:59:51,799 --> 01:59:52,499 will walk you through our 3765 01:59:52,499 --> 01:59:53,167 analysis and his presentation 3766 01:59:53,167 --> 01:59:55,567 will take about 12 minutes. 3767 01:59:56,771 --> 01:59:57,504 Thank you very much Charles. 3768 01:59:57,504 --> 02:00:00,475 Last Tuesday, FEBRUARY 24th our 3769 02:00:00,475 --> 02:00:01,800 office released ibm report 20 3770 02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:01,708 6-25 which analyzed 3771 02:00:01,708 --> 02:00:02,343 the proposed empty homes tax. 3772 02:00:02,343 --> 02:00:05,343 We presented the report to 3773 02:00:05,713 --> 02:00:06,800 the rules Committee last 3774 02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:06,647 Wednesday. 3775 02:00:06,647 --> 02:00:07,347 This will be a similar 3776 02:00:07,347 --> 02:00:08,490 presentation with a new fiscal 3777 02:00:08,490 --> 02:00:10,449 impact modification that I'll 3778 02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:13,487 note later on. 3779 02:00:13,487 --> 02:00:14,880 The proposed tax if placed on 3780 02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:14,822 the JUNE 2026 ballot and 3781 02:00:14,822 --> 02:00:17,822 approved by voters would create 3782 02:00:18,580 --> 02:00:18,693 a new excise tax on empty homes 3783 02:00:18,693 --> 02:00:21,662 in the city of San Diego. 3784 02:00:21,662 --> 02:00:22,363 The tax would be $8,000 in 3785 02:00:22,363 --> 02:00:22,830 the first year and $10,000 in 3786 02:00:22,830 --> 02:00:23,497 the second year. 3787 02:00:23,497 --> 02:00:25,833 There would be an additional 3788 02:00:25,833 --> 02:00:26,500 surcharge of $4,000 in 3789 02:00:26,500 --> 02:00:27,201 the first year and $5,000 in 3790 02:00:27,201 --> 02:00:30,238 the second year on empty homes 3791 02:00:30,238 --> 02:00:30,771 owned by corporations not 3792 02:00:30,771 --> 02:00:31,406 individuals. 3793 02:00:31,406 --> 02:00:32,106 The base tax and surcharge 3794 02:00:32,106 --> 02:00:32,739 would be increased annually by 3795 02:00:32,739 --> 02:00:35,739 the change in the consumer 3796 02:00:35,810 --> 02:00:38,746 price Index which has grown at 3797 02:00:38,746 --> 02:00:39,314 an average rate of 3.2% over 3798 02:00:39,314 --> 02:00:40,480 the last four decades. 3799 02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:40,748 The ordinance language provides 3800 02:00:40,748 --> 02:00:44,118 multiple ways for owners to be 3801 02:00:44,118 --> 02:00:44,819 exempted or temporarily 3802 02:00:44,819 --> 02:00:45,553 excluded from paying the tax. 3803 02:00:45,553 --> 02:00:46,254 However, we'd like to draw your 3804 02:00:46,254 --> 02:00:49,254 attention to the bottom right 3805 02:00:49,324 --> 02:00:50,570 hand box of four potential 3806 02:00:50,570 --> 02:00:50,692 scenarios where owners MAY exit 3807 02:00:50,692 --> 02:00:53,427 the taxpayer base which is 3808 02:00:53,427 --> 02:00:53,795 different than receiving an 3809 02:00:53,795 --> 02:00:54,395 exemption. 3810 02:00:54,395 --> 02:00:55,129 These include converting 3811 02:00:55,129 --> 02:00:58,199 the property to a short term or 3812 02:00:58,199 --> 02:00:59,000 long term rental the latter of 3813 02:00:59,000 --> 02:00:59,701 which is a stated policy goal. 3814 02:00:59,701 --> 02:01:00,635 The property is sold to a new 3815 02:01:00,635 --> 02:01:03,204 owner who does not use it as an 3816 02:01:03,204 --> 02:01:03,805 empty home. 3817 02:01:03,805 --> 02:01:04,539 The owner reclassifies 3818 02:01:04,539 --> 02:01:05,272 the property as something other 3819 02:01:05,272 --> 02:01:08,242 than an empty home or the owner 3820 02:01:08,242 --> 02:01:08,543 avoids paying the tax by other 3821 02:01:08,543 --> 02:01:09,277 means. 3822 02:01:09,277 --> 02:01:09,977 Both exemptions and exits would 3823 02:01:09,977 --> 02:01:12,480 require documented prove to be 3824 02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:13,180 provided to the City Treasurer 3825 02:01:13,180 --> 02:01:13,882 and there will be enforcement 3826 02:01:13,882 --> 02:01:14,516 mechanisms in place that I'll 3827 02:01:14,516 --> 02:01:17,516 discuss in a later slide. 3828 02:01:17,785 --> 02:01:18,519 The number of units exempted or 3829 02:01:18,519 --> 02:01:19,120 that exit the taxable base will 3830 02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:21,990 have a direct impact on 3831 02:01:21,990 --> 02:01:22,623 the potential revenue the city 3832 02:01:22,623 --> 02:01:23,290 MAY receive from the tax. 3833 02:01:23,290 --> 02:01:25,826 This dynamic was observed in 3834 02:01:25,826 --> 02:01:26,127 other cities with similar taxes 3835 02:01:26,127 --> 02:01:26,895 . 3836 02:01:26,895 --> 02:01:27,629 >> To help frame expectations, 3837 02:01:27,629 --> 02:01:30,629 our office compared San Diego's 3838 02:01:31,933 --> 02:01:32,634 proposal with vacancy taxes in 3839 02:01:32,634 --> 02:01:33,301 four cities Berkeley, Oakland, 3840 02:01:33,301 --> 02:01:35,701 Washington dc and Vancouver. 3841 02:01:36,438 --> 02:01:37,137 While the type of tax and 3842 02:01:37,137 --> 02:01:37,738 structure varied, I'd like to 3843 02:01:37,738 --> 02:01:38,373 direct your attention to 3844 02:01:38,373 --> 02:01:38,673 the two columns on the far 3845 02:01:38,673 --> 02:01:40,673 right. 3846 02:01:40,941 --> 02:01:41,542 These columns show the variance 3847 02:01:41,542 --> 02:01:42,244 between the preliminary 3848 02:01:42,244 --> 02:01:42,877 estimates those cities had for 3849 02:01:42,877 --> 02:01:45,277 their projected number of 3850 02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:46,348 taxable units and revenue and 3851 02:01:46,348 --> 02:01:47,150 the actual number of taxable 3852 02:01:47,150 --> 02:01:50,150 units there were in revenue 3853 02:01:50,651 --> 02:01:51,152 they received after the taxes 3854 02:01:51,152 --> 02:01:51,819 were implemented. 3855 02:01:51,819 --> 02:01:52,553 The pattern across all four 3856 02:01:52,553 --> 02:01:55,456 cities was that early estimates 3857 02:01:55,456 --> 02:01:56,157 of taxable units and revenue 3858 02:01:56,157 --> 02:01:56,825 were significantly higher than 3859 02:01:56,825 --> 02:01:59,225 what was actually realized. 3860 02:02:00,328 --> 02:02:00,996 The exceptions were Oakland 3861 02:02:00,996 --> 02:02:01,596 because staff there already 3862 02:02:01,596 --> 02:02:03,996 assume that 60 to 70% of 3863 02:02:04,833 --> 02:02:05,133 parcels were initially exempted 3864 02:02:05,133 --> 02:02:05,700 . 3865 02:02:05,700 --> 02:02:06,434 In Washington dc where 3866 02:02:06,434 --> 02:02:07,168 the vacancy tax was assessed as 3867 02:02:07,168 --> 02:02:09,270 an ad valorem property tax that 3868 02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:10,380 increased with the value of 3869 02:02:10,380 --> 02:02:13,380 the homes resulting in revenue 3870 02:02:14,675 --> 02:02:15,377 growth or vacancy taxes in a 3871 02:02:15,377 --> 02:02:15,978 relatively new tool for cities 3872 02:02:15,978 --> 02:02:16,611 to generate revenue and 3873 02:02:16,611 --> 02:02:18,611 disincentivize real estate 3874 02:02:19,514 --> 02:02:20,282 speculation. 3875 02:02:20,282 --> 02:02:20,981 There are a few key takeaways 3876 02:02:20,981 --> 02:02:21,483 I'd like to highlight from our 3877 02:02:21,483 --> 02:02:22,951 office's research. 3878 02:02:22,951 --> 02:02:23,617 First cities experience high 3879 02:02:23,617 --> 02:02:24,319 exemptions or drop off rates 3880 02:02:24,319 --> 02:02:27,319 and revenue tended to decrease 3881 02:02:27,556 --> 02:02:28,123 over time as more units were 3882 02:02:28,123 --> 02:02:28,823 occupied or exempted. 3883 02:02:28,823 --> 02:02:31,223 Cities reported data accuracy 3884 02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:32,561 challenge challenges including 3885 02:02:32,561 --> 02:02:33,295 inconsistencies in 3886 02:02:33,295 --> 02:02:33,995 self-reported data and the need 3887 02:02:33,995 --> 02:02:36,798 to for extensive data cleanup 3888 02:02:36,798 --> 02:02:37,465 prior to billing. 3889 02:02:37,465 --> 02:02:38,200 And lastly, vacancy taxes do 3890 02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:38,499 help reduce the number of empty 3891 02:02:38,499 --> 02:02:40,499 homes. 3892 02:02:42,637 --> 02:02:43,305 However, recent research shows 3893 02:02:43,305 --> 02:02:43,972 limited evidence that these 3894 02:02:43,972 --> 02:02:46,372 taxes alone improve housing 3895 02:02:46,641 --> 02:02:47,341 affordability because effects 3896 02:02:47,341 --> 02:02:47,976 on rents and new construction 3897 02:02:47,976 --> 02:02:48,644 tend to be minimal unless 3898 02:02:48,644 --> 02:02:51,440 paired with broader housing 3899 02:02:51,279 --> 02:02:51,846 policies. 3900 02:02:51,846 --> 02:02:52,547 These findings inform 3901 02:02:52,547 --> 02:02:54,947 the assumptions and estimates 3902 02:02:56,351 --> 02:02:57,119 in our fiscal impact analysis 3903 02:02:57,119 --> 02:02:57,818 After this item was heard and 3904 02:02:57,818 --> 02:02:58,453 Rules Committee last week our 3905 02:02:58,453 --> 02:03:01,256 office met with the Chief 3906 02:03:01,256 --> 02:03:01,957 Financial Officer and City 3907 02:03:01,957 --> 02:03:02,557 Auditor to refine and update 3908 02:03:02,557 --> 02:03:03,292 our fiscal impact model. 3909 02:03:03,292 --> 02:03:03,858 The significant changes include 3910 02:03:03,858 --> 02:03:06,528 new data from the City 3911 02:03:06,528 --> 02:03:07,229 Treasurer which indicates 3912 02:03:07,229 --> 02:03:07,896 the potential taxpayer base is 3913 02:03:07,896 --> 02:03:10,296 actually 5140 units a small 3914 02:03:11,233 --> 02:03:11,934 half percent increase from 3915 02:03:11,934 --> 02:03:12,567 the previous number reported. 3916 02:03:12,567 --> 02:03:13,135 We increased the number of 3917 02:03:13,135 --> 02:03:15,535 exempted units for our 3918 02:03:15,737 --> 02:03:16,238 conservative estimate in 3919 02:03:16,238 --> 02:03:16,905 the first year of 3920 02:03:16,905 --> 02:03:17,538 implementation to adjust for 3921 02:03:17,538 --> 02:03:17,973 outcomes seen in benchmark 3922 02:03:17,973 --> 02:03:19,973 jurisdictions. 3923 02:03:21,343 --> 02:03:22,100 We also assume a new 10% 3924 02:03:22,100 --> 02:03:22,644 decline in the taxable unit 3925 02:03:22,644 --> 02:03:26,480 base in year two as units 3926 02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:26,682 become rentals or become 3927 02:03:26,682 --> 02:03:27,316 permanently excluded from 3928 02:03:27,316 --> 02:03:28,500 the tax in different ways. 3929 02:03:28,500 --> 02:03:31,386 And lastly we incorporate a tax 3930 02:03:31,386 --> 02:03:31,987 collection rate of 90% into 3931 02:03:31,987 --> 02:03:32,587 the model to account for 3932 02:03:32,587 --> 02:03:33,255 the reality that not all 3933 02:03:33,255 --> 02:03:35,591 the bills will be paid While 3934 02:03:35,591 --> 02:03:36,910 appeals, audits and penalties 3935 02:03:36,910 --> 02:03:36,692 are processed. 3936 02:03:36,692 --> 02:03:37,359 This collection rate is 3937 02:03:37,359 --> 02:03:38,590 consistent with the current 3938 02:03:38,590 --> 02:03:40,762 collection rate of the city's 3939 02:03:40,762 --> 02:03:41,497 rental unit Business tax. 3940 02:03:41,497 --> 02:03:42,197 We believe these changes better 3941 02:03:42,197 --> 02:03:42,931 reflect a revenue forecast for 3942 02:03:42,931 --> 02:03:47,131 this new tax or shifts in owner 3943 02:03:48,170 --> 02:03:49,400 behavior or highly unknown. 3944 02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:49,705 >> Based on the City Treasury's 3945 02:03:49,705 --> 02:03:51,707 rental unit business tax data 3946 02:03:51,707 --> 02:03:52,407 or ebitda, we identified 5140 3947 02:03:52,407 --> 02:03:54,807 units that were self-reported 3948 02:03:55,544 --> 02:03:55,844 as vacation or second homes in 3949 02:03:55,844 --> 02:03:56,545 2025. 3950 02:03:56,545 --> 02:03:57,246 These are the properties most 3951 02:03:57,246 --> 02:04:00,246 likely to meet the ordinances 3952 02:04:00,916 --> 02:04:01,617 Definition of an empty home 3953 02:04:01,617 --> 02:04:02,351 which is a residential unit 3954 02:04:02,351 --> 02:04:04,186 that is not the owner's primary 3955 02:04:04,186 --> 02:04:04,954 residence and is a vacant 483 3956 02:04:04,954 --> 02:04:05,254 days or more in a calendar 3957 02:04:05,254 --> 02:04:05,754 year. 3958 02:04:05,754 --> 02:04:07,754 Of the 5140 units. 3959 02:04:09,624 --> 02:04:10,225 We believe that 5097 or 99% are 3960 02:04:10,225 --> 02:04:12,625 owned by individuals or 3961 02:04:13,996 --> 02:04:14,663 revokable trusts and the other 3962 02:04:14,663 --> 02:04:15,970 43 units are owned by 3963 02:04:15,970 --> 02:04:15,798 corporations. 3964 02:04:15,798 --> 02:04:18,701 We'd like to note that the rv 3965 02:04:18,701 --> 02:04:19,401 exemption data is a proxy for 3966 02:04:19,401 --> 02:04:20,101 the potential number of vacant 3967 02:04:20,101 --> 02:04:20,602 units but does not include all 3968 02:04:20,602 --> 02:04:23,200 units that MAY fit 3969 02:04:23,472 --> 02:04:24,273 the Ordinance's definition of 3970 02:04:24,273 --> 02:04:24,973 an empty home and MAY also 3971 02:04:24,973 --> 02:04:25,708 include units self-reported as 3972 02:04:25,708 --> 02:04:28,844 empty homes that no longer meet 3973 02:04:28,844 --> 02:04:29,612 the proposed taxes definition. 3974 02:04:29,612 --> 02:04:30,278 The latter is The latter is a 3975 02:04:30,278 --> 02:04:32,678 data accuracy challenge that 3976 02:04:33,149 --> 02:04:33,849 will need to be addressed by 3977 02:04:33,849 --> 02:04:34,250 the City Treasurer if the tax 3978 02:04:34,250 --> 02:04:36,250 is approved. 3979 02:04:37,619 --> 02:04:38,354 We estimate there to be a total 3980 02:04:38,354 --> 02:04:38,654 of 5140 units that MAY be empty 3981 02:04:38,654 --> 02:04:39,420 homes. 3982 02:04:39,420 --> 02:04:42,357 There are multiple ways for 3983 02:04:42,357 --> 02:04:43,910 the units to be excluded from 3984 02:04:43,910 --> 02:04:43,759 paying the tax that will reduce 3985 02:04:43,759 --> 02:04:44,459 the total number of taxable 3986 02:04:44,459 --> 02:04:47,459 units and therefore the actual 3987 02:04:49,300 --> 02:04:49,731 revenue of the new tax to model 3988 02:04:49,731 --> 02:04:50,399 potential number of units that 3989 02:04:50,399 --> 02:04:50,733 MAY be excluded from paying 3990 02:04:50,733 --> 02:04:52,733 the tax. 3991 02:04:54,403 --> 02:04:55,370 We looked at Barkley's 3992 02:04:55,370 --> 02:04:55,570 experience implementing a 3993 02:04:55,570 --> 02:04:56,272 similar vacancy tax. 3994 02:04:56,272 --> 02:04:59,174 As we previously noted in our 3995 02:04:59,174 --> 02:04:59,708 benchmarking table Berkeley saw 3996 02:04:59,708 --> 02:05:00,409 a 45.5% drop between 3997 02:05:00,409 --> 02:05:01,110 the initial estimated numbers 3998 02:05:01,110 --> 02:05:03,979 of units that would be subject 3999 02:05:03,979 --> 02:05:04,614 to the tax and the actual 4000 02:05:04,614 --> 02:05:04,914 number of units that were 4001 02:05:04,914 --> 02:05:05,514 built. 4002 02:05:05,514 --> 02:05:06,248 Some differences between 4003 02:05:06,248 --> 02:05:09,285 Berkley's tax and the San Diego 4004 02:05:09,285 --> 02:05:09,885 proposal that we believe 4005 02:05:09,885 --> 02:05:10,586 justify modeling a more 4006 02:05:10,586 --> 02:05:11,190 conservative range of excluded 4007 02:05:11,190 --> 02:05:13,190 units include. 4008 02:05:13,723 --> 02:05:14,390 Berkeley's data came from 4009 02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:15,240 the Rent Stabilization Board 4010 02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:15,725 which maintained data more 4011 02:05:15,725 --> 02:05:18,125 likely to accurately estimate 4012 02:05:20,129 --> 02:05:20,763 the number of vacant units and 4013 02:05:20,763 --> 02:05:21,430 San Diego's are beat data. 4014 02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:23,566 Also while Berkeley tax was 4015 02:05:23,566 --> 02:05:24,266 targeted towards homes already 4016 02:05:24,266 --> 02:05:24,934 on the rental market, intended 4017 02:05:24,934 --> 02:05:25,668 taxpayer in San Diego MAY be 4018 02:05:25,668 --> 02:05:28,971 more likely to have the ability 4019 02:05:28,971 --> 02:05:29,638 and incentive to change their 4020 02:05:29,638 --> 02:05:30,106 behavior to be excluded from 4021 02:05:30,106 --> 02:05:30,773 paying the tax. 4022 02:05:30,773 --> 02:05:33,175 And lastly the relative tax 4023 02:05:33,175 --> 02:05:33,843 amount in San Diego is larger 4024 02:05:33,843 --> 02:05:34,543 than the amount in Berkeley. 4025 02:05:34,543 --> 02:05:37,543 Taken together we believe it's 4026 02:05:38,140 --> 02:05:38,714 reasonable to project that of 4027 02:05:38,714 --> 02:05:39,348 the 5140 units the percentage 4028 02:05:39,348 --> 02:05:42,348 that MAY be excluded from 4029 02:05:42,618 --> 02:05:43,319 having to pay the taxable range 4030 02:05:43,319 --> 02:05:43,853 between optimistically 45% and 4031 02:05:43,853 --> 02:05:45,853 conservatively 70%. 4032 02:05:47,690 --> 02:05:48,357 This range is also in line with 4033 02:05:48,357 --> 02:05:50,757 other benchmark cities like 4034 02:05:52,263 --> 02:05:53,610 Oakland and Vancouver. 4035 02:05:53,610 --> 02:05:53,763 Based on our office's updated 4036 02:05:53,763 --> 02:05:56,365 model we estimate net general 4037 02:05:56,365 --> 02:05:57,660 fund revenue in year one which 4038 02:05:57,660 --> 02:05:59,902 is fiscal year 2028 to be 4039 02:05:59,902 --> 02:06:00,236 between $9.2 million and $21.4 4040 02:06:00,236 --> 02:06:00,970 million. 4041 02:06:00,970 --> 02:06:04,570 Then in year two revenue is 4042 02:06:05,341 --> 02:06:06,750 projected to increase to 4043 02:06:06,750 --> 02:06:06,409 between $10.4 million and $24.2 4044 02:06:06,409 --> 02:06:08,409 million. 4045 02:06:08,778 --> 02:06:09,645 The increased revenue in year 4046 02:06:09,645 --> 02:06:10,246 two is a result of a larger tax 4047 02:06:10,246 --> 02:06:10,880 amount beyond year two. 4048 02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:13,249 We would expect revenue to 4049 02:06:13,249 --> 02:06:13,916 decline over time as more units 4050 02:06:13,916 --> 02:06:14,650 convert to rentals, sell or 4051 02:06:14,650 --> 02:06:15,618 otherwise become occupied which 4052 02:06:15,618 --> 02:06:19,218 is one of the stated policy 4053 02:06:20,490 --> 02:06:21,223 goals of the proposed tax. 4054 02:06:21,223 --> 02:06:21,824 These revenue ranges reflect 4055 02:06:21,824 --> 02:06:22,425 different scenarios for 4056 02:06:22,425 --> 02:06:24,825 the proportion of units 4057 02:06:25,795 --> 02:06:26,562 excluded from paying the tax 4058 02:06:26,562 --> 02:06:27,263 and tax collection rate a 10% 4059 02:06:27,263 --> 02:06:27,997 plus and minus contingency for 4060 02:06:27,997 --> 02:06:29,498 uncertainty And the Treasurer's 4061 02:06:29,498 --> 02:06:31,898 preliminary estimated cost to 4062 02:06:33,936 --> 02:06:34,770 administer the program. 4063 02:06:34,770 --> 02:06:35,405 >> The City Treasurer indicated 4064 02:06:35,405 --> 02:06:36,720 that administering the tax 4065 02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:38,472 would require an additional 4066 02:06:38,474 --> 02:06:39,750 four employees and a one time 4067 02:06:39,750 --> 02:06:41,444 it system upgrade which 4068 02:06:41,444 --> 02:06:42,211 together would potentially cost 4069 02:06:42,211 --> 02:06:42,678 $1 million in the first year of 4070 02:06:42,678 --> 02:06:43,378 implementation. 4071 02:06:43,378 --> 02:06:43,946 A potential challenge will be 4072 02:06:43,946 --> 02:06:45,946 establishing a clear, 4073 02:06:47,160 --> 02:06:47,450 enforceable standard of proof 4074 02:06:47,450 --> 02:06:48,510 for occupancy. 4075 02:06:48,510 --> 02:06:48,784 This will likely require 4076 02:06:48,784 --> 02:06:51,870 the City Treasurer to implement 4077 02:06:51,870 --> 02:06:51,654 new processes and procedures to 4078 02:06:51,654 --> 02:06:52,200 validate self-reported 4079 02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:52,655 documents. 4080 02:06:52,655 --> 02:06:53,256 The relative magnitude of 4081 02:06:53,256 --> 02:06:55,825 the new proposed tax MAY 4082 02:06:55,825 --> 02:06:56,492 incentivize avoidance but 4083 02:06:56,492 --> 02:06:57,193 violations would result in a 4084 02:06:57,193 --> 02:06:57,894 misdemeanor and the Treasurer 4085 02:06:57,894 --> 02:07:01,130 would have the power to audit 4086 02:07:01,130 --> 02:07:01,864 owners or office would like to 4087 02:07:01,864 --> 02:07:02,565 clearly explain the assumptions 4088 02:07:02,565 --> 02:07:04,965 and limitations that underpin 4089 02:07:06,690 --> 02:07:06,803 our fiscal impact estimates. 4090 02:07:06,803 --> 02:07:10,106 We assume the tax will be 4091 02:07:10,106 --> 02:07:10,707 effective JANUARY 1st, 2027 and 4092 02:07:10,707 --> 02:07:11,441 that exemptions will be 4093 02:07:11,441 --> 02:07:12,140 processed and billing completed 4094 02:07:12,140 --> 02:07:12,508 in the third quarter of fiscal 4095 02:07:12,508 --> 02:07:14,508 year 2028. 4096 02:07:14,978 --> 02:07:15,645 Significant delays That 4097 02:07:15,645 --> 02:07:16,246 timeline would likely change 4098 02:07:16,246 --> 02:07:16,880 the estimate of revenue. 4099 02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:19,280 We assume the Treasurer's 4100 02:07:19,883 --> 02:07:20,588 operating costs will be 4101 02:07:20,588 --> 02:07:21,151 the only new cost to the city. 4102 02:07:21,151 --> 02:07:21,851 We also assume the tax 4103 02:07:21,851 --> 02:07:24,851 collection rate for the units 4104 02:07:25,121 --> 02:07:25,388 subject to the tax will be at 4105 02:07:25,388 --> 02:07:26,220 90%. 4106 02:07:26,220 --> 02:07:29,220 We assume 50% of the units 4107 02:07:30,259 --> 02:07:30,960 excluded from the empty homes 4108 02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:31,761 tax will pay the rental unit 4109 02:07:31,761 --> 02:07:33,163 business tax fee But since 4110 02:07:33,163 --> 02:07:33,797 the rebate tax is about $55 per 4111 02:07:33,797 --> 02:07:34,230 unit it will have minimal 4112 02:07:34,230 --> 02:07:36,230 fiscal impact. 4113 02:07:38,340 --> 02:07:38,735 And lastly, we assume that 4114 02:07:38,735 --> 02:07:39,436 the taxable pool of units will 4115 02:07:39,436 --> 02:07:40,103 decrease by 10% in the second 4116 02:07:40,103 --> 02:07:41,437 year and that corporate and 4117 02:07:41,437 --> 02:07:42,138 individual owned units will 4118 02:07:42,138 --> 02:07:45,138 have the same tax exclusion 4119 02:07:46,376 --> 02:07:47,143 rate. 4120 02:07:47,143 --> 02:07:47,877 >> The scope of our model's 4121 02:07:47,877 --> 02:07:48,511 projection is limited by timing 4122 02:07:48,511 --> 02:07:50,911 and data availability most 4123 02:07:51,481 --> 02:07:52,181 notably we are unable to 4124 02:07:52,181 --> 02:07:52,882 estimate the potential revenue 4125 02:07:52,882 --> 02:07:53,516 from property tax growth after 4126 02:07:53,516 --> 02:07:56,853 the sale of homes or from 4127 02:07:56,853 --> 02:07:57,287 the collection of penalties for 4128 02:07:57,287 --> 02:07:57,987 late payments. 4129 02:07:57,987 --> 02:07:58,721 The range of excluded units we 4130 02:07:58,721 --> 02:08:02,321 assume is an aggregate of all 4131 02:08:02,692 --> 02:08:03,393 exemptions and exits and we 4132 02:08:03,393 --> 02:08:04,270 cannot estimate the number of 4133 02:08:04,270 --> 02:08:04,494 empty homes not in the rv 4134 02:08:04,494 --> 02:08:06,494 exemption data. 4135 02:08:06,563 --> 02:08:07,230 And lastly our office's 4136 02:08:07,230 --> 02:08:07,930 analysis was conducted in a 4137 02:08:07,930 --> 02:08:09,632 relatively limited time frame 4138 02:08:09,632 --> 02:08:10,367 and therefore we were unable to 4139 02:08:10,367 --> 02:08:12,367 solicit significant stakeholder 4140 02:08:14,938 --> 02:08:15,605 feedback. 4141 02:08:15,605 --> 02:08:16,306 In closing, our office finds 4142 02:08:16,306 --> 02:08:17,400 that the proposed empty homes 4143 02:08:17,400 --> 02:08:19,709 tax would be likely to generate 4144 02:08:19,709 --> 02:08:20,444 additional net general fund 4145 02:08:20,444 --> 02:08:21,111 revenue and increase the number 4146 02:08:21,111 --> 02:08:21,811 of homes available for long 4147 02:08:21,811 --> 02:08:22,112 term rental or occupancy over 4148 02:08:22,112 --> 02:08:24,112 time. 4149 02:08:24,380 --> 02:08:25,480 At the same time revenue from 4150 02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:25,415 the tax will likely decline 4151 02:08:25,415 --> 02:08:27,415 over time. 4152 02:08:28,184 --> 02:08:28,885 If the measure is effective in 4153 02:08:28,885 --> 02:08:29,486 reducing vacancy which aligns 4154 02:08:29,486 --> 02:08:30,187 with the policy goals of 4155 02:08:30,187 --> 02:08:33,187 the tax, our office's updated 4156 02:08:33,490 --> 02:08:34,191 Fiscal impact estimate in 4157 02:08:34,191 --> 02:08:34,824 consultation with the cfo and 4158 02:08:34,824 --> 02:08:37,224 auditor projects the city 4159 02:08:37,427 --> 02:08:38,195 collecting $9.2 million to 4160 02:08:38,195 --> 02:08:41,195 $21.4 million in net revenue in 4161 02:08:42,265 --> 02:08:42,898 year one and $10.4 million to 4162 02:08:42,898 --> 02:08:43,567 $24.2 million in year two. 4163 02:08:43,567 --> 02:08:46,837 Then we note the fiscal and 4164 02:08:46,837 --> 02:08:47,471 housing impacts will depend 4165 02:08:47,471 --> 02:08:48,271 heavily on owner behavior. 4166 02:08:48,271 --> 02:08:48,972 Thank you very much and will be 4167 02:08:48,972 --> 02:08:51,372 available to answer questions 4168 02:08:54,343 --> 02:08:54,711 that you MAY have. 4169 02:08:54,711 --> 02:08:55,378 >> Okay. 4170 02:08:55,378 --> 02:08:55,879 Thank you very much for 4171 02:08:55,879 --> 02:08:57,879 the presentation. 4172 02:08:58,915 --> 02:08:59,683 We always appreciate the office 4173 02:08:59,683 --> 02:09:00,183 of the rba weighing in on these 4174 02:09:00,183 --> 02:09:02,183 important matters. 4175 02:09:02,886 --> 02:09:06,486 So with that City Clerk please 4176 02:09:07,791 --> 02:09:08,291 proceed with public comment. 4177 02:09:08,291 --> 02:09:08,959 Thank you. 4178 02:09:08,959 --> 02:09:09,760 Council PRESIDENT We do have 4179 02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:12,160 over 50 speakers here today 4180 02:09:12,862 --> 02:09:13,930 plus those on line another 14 4181 02:09:13,930 --> 02:09:17,534 So they will be going down to a 4182 02:09:17,534 --> 02:09:18,268 minute per person. 4183 02:09:18,268 --> 02:09:18,935 If I can have the following 4184 02:09:18,935 --> 02:09:21,935 individual please come up to 4185 02:09:22,380 --> 02:09:22,739 the yellow reserved seats at 4186 02:09:22,739 --> 02:09:23,407 the front of the room and then 4187 02:09:23,407 --> 02:09:24,410 this first individual please 4188 02:09:24,410 --> 02:09:27,410 come up to the microphone. 4189 02:09:27,878 --> 02:09:31,281 Ken Miller After Ken Miller Can 4190 02:09:31,281 --> 02:09:34,881 I have George cheering Noah Yee 4191 02:09:35,719 --> 02:09:36,152 Patricia Serrano Mohammed Omar 4192 02:09:36,152 --> 02:09:38,152 Wesley Morgan. 4193 02:09:40,357 --> 02:09:41,124 Laurie Lipson Christopher 4194 02:09:41,124 --> 02:09:41,925 Kennison If you can all please 4195 02:09:41,925 --> 02:09:42,292 come up to the front row and be 4196 02:09:42,292 --> 02:09:44,292 prepared. 4197 02:09:45,329 --> 02:09:48,929 And if you can proceed when 4198 02:09:50,134 --> 02:09:50,533 ready you'll have one minute. 4199 02:09:50,533 --> 02:09:51,401 Thank you. 4200 02:09:51,401 --> 02:09:55,100 And with respect to the San 4201 02:09:55,739 --> 02:09:56,540 Francisco case, that case is 4202 02:09:56,540 --> 02:10:00,140 now before the court of appeals 4203 02:10:00,310 --> 02:10:00,911 and it will have ramifications 4204 02:10:00,911 --> 02:10:01,577 throughout the state of 4205 02:10:01,577 --> 02:10:03,977 California and in particular 4206 02:10:05,416 --> 02:10:06,182 here in San Diego. 4207 02:10:06,182 --> 02:10:06,950 That case was resolved in 4208 02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:10,254 the trial court by a motion for 4209 02:10:10,254 --> 02:10:10,787 summary judgment where 4210 02:10:10,787 --> 02:10:11,522 the court ruled that 4211 02:10:11,522 --> 02:10:14,522 the measure violated the taking 4212 02:10:14,891 --> 02:10:15,425 clause of the Fifth Amendment. 4213 02:10:15,425 --> 02:10:17,825 It was preempted by 4214 02:10:19,696 --> 02:10:20,463 California's Ellis Act. 4215 02:10:20,463 --> 02:10:22,863 It was unconscionable burden 4216 02:10:24,234 --> 02:10:24,935 upon due process equal 4217 02:10:24,935 --> 02:10:27,335 protection and private rights. 4218 02:10:29,339 --> 02:10:30,730 I think it'd be wise to wait 4219 02:10:30,730 --> 02:10:30,740 for the outcome of the Court of 4220 02:10:30,740 --> 02:10:31,308 Appeals decision instead of 4221 02:10:31,308 --> 02:10:33,308 rushing to litigation. 4222 02:10:34,344 --> 02:10:34,978 The United States Supreme Court 4223 02:10:34,978 --> 02:10:38,578 has held that the right to 4224 02:10:38,715 --> 02:10:39,316 exclude others for months 4225 02:10:39,316 --> 02:10:40,170 Property is a core 4226 02:10:40,170 --> 02:10:42,170 constitutional property right? 4227 02:10:43,888 --> 02:10:44,855 The government cannot compel an 4228 02:10:44,855 --> 02:10:48,459 owner to rent a unit over their 4229 02:10:48,459 --> 02:10:49,159 objection by opposing 4230 02:10:49,159 --> 02:10:51,159 financially coercive penalties 4231 02:10:54,231 --> 02:10:54,999 on owners who choose to keep 4232 02:10:54,999 --> 02:10:58,335 their property vacant if it is 4233 02:10:58,335 --> 02:10:58,669 effectively taken including 4234 02:10:58,669 --> 02:10:59,303 comment. 4235 02:10:59,303 --> 02:10:59,971 If you have any written 4236 02:10:59,971 --> 02:11:00,671 statements we can definitely 4237 02:11:00,671 --> 02:11:01,872 continue to pass those out to 4238 02:11:01,872 --> 02:11:05,472 the Council is where as well. 4239 02:11:07,478 --> 02:11:08,112 George Good afternoon Council 4240 02:11:08,112 --> 02:11:08,412 members Thank you for your 4241 02:11:08,412 --> 02:11:10,412 time. 4242 02:11:11,815 --> 02:11:12,383 My name is George Chen with 4243 02:11:12,383 --> 02:11:13,117 the Pacific Southwest 4244 02:11:13,117 --> 02:11:13,684 Association of Realtors here to 4245 02:11:13,684 --> 02:11:16,840 speak in opposition to 4246 02:11:16,353 --> 02:11:17,540 the proposed tax because 4247 02:11:17,540 --> 02:11:20,654 the messaging for for this tax 4248 02:11:21,192 --> 02:11:21,492 is targeting vacant properties 4249 02:11:21,492 --> 02:11:22,259 . 4250 02:11:22,259 --> 02:11:22,927 I don't think that the general 4251 02:11:22,927 --> 02:11:26,263 public is aware that this is 4252 02:11:26,263 --> 02:11:26,964 going to create a legal burden 4253 02:11:26,964 --> 02:11:27,631 for every homeowner to prove 4254 02:11:27,631 --> 02:11:28,499 that they live in their own 4255 02:11:28,499 --> 02:11:31,702 home every year even if they're 4256 02:11:31,702 --> 02:11:32,336 exempt they're going to have to 4257 02:11:32,336 --> 02:11:33,370 file paperwork in order to 4258 02:11:33,370 --> 02:11:36,370 prove that they're exempt And 4259 02:11:36,440 --> 02:11:37,174 that's creating an opportunity 4260 02:11:37,174 --> 02:11:37,508 for for errors and the need for 4261 02:11:37,508 --> 02:11:39,508 appeals. 4262 02:11:40,711 --> 02:11:41,344 The other thing is I'm 4263 02:11:41,344 --> 02:11:41,911 reviewing the language of 4264 02:11:41,911 --> 02:11:43,911 the actual ordinance. 4265 02:11:45,483 --> 02:11:46,183 I don't see the particular 4266 02:11:46,183 --> 02:11:46,851 section where properties that 4267 02:11:46,851 --> 02:11:50,451 are in the process of being 4268 02:11:50,554 --> 02:11:51,221 sold are vacant because they're 4269 02:11:51,221 --> 02:11:51,522 being sold are exempted from 4270 02:11:51,522 --> 02:11:52,223 this. 4271 02:11:52,223 --> 02:11:52,924 So if you're an owner looking 4272 02:11:52,924 --> 02:11:55,924 to sell your property there's 4273 02:11:55,926 --> 02:11:56,660 the potential that it could be 4274 02:11:56,660 --> 02:11:57,328 vacant for more than six months 4275 02:11:57,328 --> 02:12:00,328 because of a transaction And 4276 02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:01,732 then to consider making that 4277 02:12:01,732 --> 02:12:02,401 increase of 8000 potentially 4278 02:12:02,401 --> 02:12:05,401 into the price that they're 4279 02:12:05,403 --> 02:12:06,103 asking for that they choose to 4280 02:12:06,103 --> 02:12:06,804 rent it out that just creates 4281 02:12:06,804 --> 02:12:07,238 less opportunities for people 4282 02:12:07,238 --> 02:12:08,573 to buy a home. 4283 02:12:08,573 --> 02:12:09,730 Please vote no. 4284 02:12:09,730 --> 02:12:11,730 >> Thank you. 4285 02:12:13,311 --> 02:12:14,450 Thank you, Noah. 4286 02:12:14,450 --> 02:12:14,378 >> Good afternoon, council 4287 02:12:14,378 --> 02:12:16,378 members. 4288 02:12:19,617 --> 02:12:20,251 My name is no I'm a researcher 4289 02:12:20,251 --> 02:12:20,785 and policy advocate and on 4290 02:12:20,785 --> 02:12:22,785 policy initiatives. 4291 02:12:23,387 --> 02:12:24,210 And we've known for years that 4292 02:12:24,210 --> 02:12:27,210 our city has a structural 4293 02:12:27,324 --> 02:12:28,240 budget deficit but every year 4294 02:12:28,240 --> 02:12:28,359 we're not identifying any new 4295 02:12:28,359 --> 02:12:28,993 revenue. 4296 02:12:28,993 --> 02:12:31,993 Instead the mayor tries to 4297 02:12:32,663 --> 02:12:33,364 balance the budget by cutting 4298 02:12:33,364 --> 02:12:33,998 the programs and services our 4299 02:12:33,998 --> 02:12:36,398 community members rely on. 4300 02:12:37,535 --> 02:12:38,202 Cuts to libraries, parks, rec 4301 02:12:38,202 --> 02:12:38,770 centers and public restrooms 4302 02:12:38,770 --> 02:12:41,170 have become the norm. 4303 02:12:42,440 --> 02:12:43,740 And this year is no different. 4304 02:12:43,740 --> 02:12:45,740 There's over $120 million 4305 02:12:46,177 --> 02:12:46,644 deficit and no new revenue has 4306 02:12:46,644 --> 02:12:47,344 been identified. 4307 02:12:47,344 --> 02:12:48,460 At the same time there are 4308 02:12:48,460 --> 02:12:50,882 thousands of San Diegans that 4309 02:12:50,882 --> 02:12:51,581 struggled to keep a roof over 4310 02:12:51,581 --> 02:12:52,250 their heads while homes across 4311 02:12:52,250 --> 02:12:55,850 our city sit empty owned by 4312 02:12:56,540 --> 02:12:56,454 people wealthy enough to leave 4313 02:12:56,454 --> 02:12:57,121 them vacant. 4314 02:12:57,121 --> 02:13:00,425 That is why we must support 4315 02:13:00,425 --> 02:13:01,159 the empty second homes tax It 4316 02:13:01,159 --> 02:13:01,793 is a revenue solution that 4317 02:13:01,793 --> 02:13:02,527 stops asking working class 4318 02:13:02,527 --> 02:13:05,530 people to pay the price Instead 4319 02:13:05,530 --> 02:13:06,197 ask the wealthiest to 4320 02:13:06,197 --> 02:13:06,764 contribute their fair share. 4321 02:13:06,764 --> 02:13:07,464 We urge you to support 4322 02:13:07,464 --> 02:13:11,100 the empty empty homes tax Take 4323 02:13:11,100 --> 02:13:11,703 a step away from austerity and 4324 02:13:11,703 --> 02:13:12,437 toward a city that invests in 4325 02:13:12,437 --> 02:13:15,105 people and prevents harm before 4326 02:13:15,105 --> 02:13:15,573 it happens. 4327 02:13:15,573 --> 02:13:17,573 >> Thank you. 4328 02:13:20,178 --> 02:13:20,544 Patricia Serrano Good 4329 02:13:20,544 --> 02:13:22,544 afternoon. 4330 02:13:25,483 --> 02:13:26,500 My name is Patricia Serrano and 4331 02:13:26,500 --> 02:13:26,818 I work with Partner. 4332 02:13:26,818 --> 02:13:29,287 I'm in support of their homes 4333 02:13:29,287 --> 02:13:29,988 for San Diegans working 4334 02:13:29,988 --> 02:13:31,988 families, immigrant refugees, 4335 02:13:34,424 --> 02:13:35,930 communities of color are 4336 02:13:35,930 --> 02:13:35,826 the ones who are struggling 4337 02:13:35,826 --> 02:13:39,300 because the housing cost is too 4338 02:13:39,300 --> 02:13:39,631 high In San Diego while 4339 02:13:39,631 --> 02:13:40,331 corporations and wealthy 4340 02:13:40,331 --> 02:13:42,331 investors purchases thousands 4341 02:13:44,469 --> 02:13:47,469 of property is leaving me 4342 02:13:49,441 --> 02:13:50,740 leaving many of them begging 4343 02:13:50,740 --> 02:13:50,709 These empty houses reduce 4344 02:13:50,709 --> 02:13:51,420 the supply and driving up 4345 02:13:51,420 --> 02:13:53,420 prices. 4346 02:13:53,878 --> 02:13:54,545 This is about prioritizing 4347 02:13:54,545 --> 02:13:54,846 homes for people who live in 4348 02:13:54,846 --> 02:13:56,846 work. 4349 02:13:57,981 --> 02:13:58,717 And here in San Diego this 4350 02:13:58,717 --> 02:13:59,250 proposal creates accountability 4351 02:13:59,250 --> 02:14:01,250 for the wealthiest. 4352 02:14:02,954 --> 02:14:04,954 Thank you. 4353 02:14:07,559 --> 02:14:08,250 Next is Muhammad. 4354 02:14:08,250 --> 02:14:10,250 Good afternoon. 4355 02:14:13,131 --> 02:14:13,832 Council members. 4356 02:14:13,832 --> 02:14:14,498 My name is Mohammed Omar. 4357 02:14:14,498 --> 02:14:15,233 I'm with the Partnership for 4358 02:14:15,233 --> 02:14:17,702 the Department of Americans and 4359 02:14:17,702 --> 02:14:18,303 also co facilitator for c d 4360 02:14:18,303 --> 02:14:18,703 Coalition for Equitable 4361 02:14:18,703 --> 02:14:20,703 Development. 4362 02:14:22,841 --> 02:14:23,508 I would like to thank council 4363 02:14:23,508 --> 02:14:24,209 member Shari Liberal for its 4364 02:14:24,209 --> 02:14:24,843 leadership in bringing forward 4365 02:14:24,843 --> 02:14:27,378 the homes for San Diego's 4366 02:14:27,378 --> 02:14:28,145 proposal. 4367 02:14:28,145 --> 02:14:28,747 San Diego continues to face a 4368 02:14:28,747 --> 02:14:30,747 serious housing housing 4369 02:14:32,417 --> 02:14:33,118 shortage when homes remain 4370 02:14:33,118 --> 02:14:33,752 vacant it reduces availability 4371 02:14:33,752 --> 02:14:36,152 supply and contributes to 4372 02:14:37,122 --> 02:14:37,789 rising costs. 4373 02:14:37,789 --> 02:14:38,390 This proposal provides a 4374 02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:38,990 solution by encouraging 4375 02:14:38,990 --> 02:14:41,390 properties to return to 4376 02:14:42,427 --> 02:14:43,600 the market or generate revenue 4377 02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:43,528 for affordable housing and 4378 02:14:43,528 --> 02:14:45,528 infrastructure. 4379 02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:47,732 This proposal creates 4380 02:14:47,732 --> 02:14:48,366 accountability to encourage 4381 02:14:48,366 --> 02:14:51,366 vacant homes to return to 4382 02:14:52,170 --> 02:14:52,771 the market or contributes to 4383 02:14:52,771 --> 02:14:53,505 building more affordable 4384 02:14:53,505 --> 02:14:56,941 housing Homes should be for San 4385 02:14:56,941 --> 02:14:57,642 Diego is not held empty as 4386 02:14:57,642 --> 02:14:58,143 investment assets urge support 4387 02:14:58,143 --> 02:14:59,440 for this measure. 4388 02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:01,440 Thank you. 4389 02:15:04,316 --> 02:15:05,500 Thank you Wesley. 4390 02:15:05,500 --> 02:15:05,383 >> Good afternoon Council 4391 02:15:05,383 --> 02:15:07,383 members. 4392 02:15:08,486 --> 02:15:09,186 I had to look at the data 4393 02:15:09,186 --> 02:15:09,921 before deciding whether or not 4394 02:15:09,921 --> 02:15:12,890 this policy would be meaningful 4395 02:15:12,890 --> 02:15:13,592 And it turns out it is in two 4396 02:15:13,592 --> 02:15:14,159 ways especially in our coastal 4397 02:15:14,159 --> 02:15:14,759 communities where it's 4398 02:15:14,759 --> 02:15:17,759 the hardest to build new 4399 02:15:18,463 --> 02:15:19,164 housing. 4400 02:15:19,164 --> 02:15:19,831 The city's own data shows that 4401 02:15:19,831 --> 02:15:22,231 Ocean Beach, Pacific Beach, 4402 02:15:22,466 --> 02:15:23,168 Mission Beach and Peninsula 4403 02:15:23,168 --> 02:15:25,568 have 1700 empty second homes 4404 02:15:28,730 --> 02:15:28,573 are over this entire arena 4405 02:15:28,573 --> 02:15:30,573 cycle Since 2021. 4406 02:15:30,842 --> 02:15:31,543 Those same communities are 4407 02:15:31,543 --> 02:15:31,843 permitted just 526 non-native 4408 02:15:31,843 --> 02:15:33,843 homes. 4409 02:15:36,715 --> 02:15:37,416 That's more than three empty 4410 02:15:37,416 --> 02:15:38,490 homes for every new home we 4411 02:15:38,490 --> 02:15:41,490 permitted in the last four 4412 02:15:42,870 --> 02:15:43,121 years And the higher the ratio 4413 02:15:43,121 --> 02:15:44,189 of 6 to 1 because of a beach 3 4414 02:15:44,189 --> 02:15:45,724 to 1 Mission beach 18 to 1 in 4415 02:15:45,724 --> 02:15:45,958 Ocean Beach and plan for 2 to 4416 02:15:45,958 --> 02:15:47,958 1. 4417 02:15:48,760 --> 02:15:49,461 And in these coastal areas 80% 4418 02:15:49,461 --> 02:15:50,610 of the owners are not local To 4419 02:15:50,610 --> 02:15:52,461 San Diego where new 4420 02:15:53,365 --> 02:15:53,765 construction faces the most 4421 02:15:53,765 --> 02:15:54,499 resistance. 4422 02:15:54,499 --> 02:15:58,990 We can't afford to let existing 4423 02:15:58,136 --> 02:15:58,836 homes vacant. 4424 02:15:58,836 --> 02:15:59,471 And turning to downtown alone 4425 02:15:59,471 --> 02:15:59,771 there are 792 empty second 4426 02:15:59,771 --> 02:16:01,771 homes. 4427 02:16:03,842 --> 02:16:04,543 The equivalent of three full 4428 02:16:04,543 --> 02:16:07,212 towers like Vina Noma or 4429 02:16:07,212 --> 02:16:07,980 Bayside That stand empty. 4430 02:16:07,980 --> 02:16:10,480 And 80% of those owners are 4431 02:16:10,480 --> 02:16:10,449 also not local to San Diego. 4432 02:16:10,449 --> 02:16:10,816 Thank you. 4433 02:16:10,816 --> 02:16:12,816 Thank you. 4434 02:16:15,521 --> 02:16:16,154 Including Mark Laurie. 4435 02:16:16,154 --> 02:16:18,154 >> Good afternoon. 4436 02:16:20,424 --> 02:16:21,193 My name is Laurie Swim. 4437 02:16:21,193 --> 02:16:24,193 She her resident of district 4438 02:16:24,496 --> 02:16:24,863 three since 1988 in support of 4439 02:16:24,863 --> 02:16:26,863 item 501. 4440 02:16:29,680 --> 02:16:29,835 It is a disgrace that a city 4441 02:16:29,835 --> 02:16:33,435 with such extreme wealth has an 4442 02:16:34,272 --> 02:16:34,974 and housing crisis and a severe 4443 02:16:34,974 --> 02:16:38,574 lack of low income housing and 4444 02:16:39,211 --> 02:16:39,611 where people are being housed 4445 02:16:39,611 --> 02:16:40,312 in tents. 4446 02:16:40,312 --> 02:16:43,312 Stop capitulating to money and 4447 02:16:44,550 --> 02:16:45,250 start working for your constitu 4448 02:16:45,250 --> 02:16:47,650 tions taxed wealth individuals 4449 02:16:48,654 --> 02:16:49,254 and corporations and invest in 4450 02:16:49,254 --> 02:16:51,654 housing, health care and 4451 02:16:53,593 --> 02:16:54,326 education for all. 4452 02:16:54,326 --> 02:16:54,994 There is no excuse for this 4453 02:16:54,994 --> 02:16:57,796 level of lack of basic needs 4454 02:16:57,796 --> 02:16:58,397 for so many in a city where 4455 02:16:58,397 --> 02:17:00,797 the wealth is abundant. 4456 02:17:03,102 --> 02:17:03,669 >> Thank you. 4457 02:17:03,669 --> 02:17:04,570 Thank you Christopher. 4458 02:17:04,570 --> 02:17:08,170 After Christopher If I can have 4459 02:17:08,707 --> 02:17:09,408 Zack Schlegel please come up 4460 02:17:09,408 --> 02:17:11,808 and public advocate Shane 4461 02:17:13,178 --> 02:17:16,178 Harris Karen Ede Bruce Karen 4462 02:17:17,716 --> 02:17:18,484 Christopher Gomes and Ethan 4463 02:17:18,484 --> 02:17:22,840 Chavis If you can all please 4464 02:17:23,210 --> 02:17:23,722 come forward as well as 4465 02:17:23,722 --> 02:17:24,356 Patricia Mondragon All please 4466 02:17:24,356 --> 02:17:27,356 come forward to the other 4467 02:17:28,940 --> 02:17:28,861 reserve seats Please proceed. 4468 02:17:28,861 --> 02:17:29,561 >> The fact that we're here 4469 02:17:29,561 --> 02:17:31,931 fighting for a better 4470 02:17:31,931 --> 02:17:32,498 opportunity to get housing yet 4471 02:17:32,498 --> 02:17:33,132 again is mind blowing 4472 02:17:33,132 --> 02:17:35,532 opportunities is all we're 4473 02:17:36,802 --> 02:17:37,536 asking for when it boils down 4474 02:17:37,536 --> 02:17:38,237 to it, people shouldn't have to 4475 02:17:38,237 --> 02:17:38,904 commute an hour or two just to 4476 02:17:38,904 --> 02:17:41,906 get to work and still live. 4477 02:17:41,906 --> 02:17:42,608 Check the check. 4478 02:17:42,608 --> 02:17:45,144 I'm one of those people. 4479 02:17:45,144 --> 02:17:45,912 I leave my home by 730 every 4480 02:17:45,912 --> 02:17:46,245 morning just to get to work by 4481 02:17:46,245 --> 02:17:47,113 9 A.M.. 4482 02:17:47,113 --> 02:17:50,113 I'm not here to dismiss 4483 02:17:50,216 --> 02:17:50,582 the opposition stats or 4484 02:17:50,582 --> 02:17:51,149 feelings. 4485 02:17:51,149 --> 02:17:51,751 I'm here to speak for 4486 02:17:51,751 --> 02:17:52,151 the greater good of all 4487 02:17:52,151 --> 02:17:54,151 the people. 4488 02:17:54,854 --> 02:17:55,254 We have 5000 homes sitting 4489 02:17:55,254 --> 02:17:57,254 unoccupied. 4490 02:17:58,557 --> 02:17:59,224 The way I see it, there's 5000 4491 02:17:59,224 --> 02:17:59,892 opportunities for people to 4492 02:17:59,892 --> 02:18:00,359 give their families a better 4493 02:18:00,359 --> 02:18:02,359 quality of life. 4494 02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:03,695 That's 5000 opportunities for 4495 02:18:03,695 --> 02:18:04,960 people to have a roof over 4496 02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:06,960 their head. 4497 02:18:06,765 --> 02:18:07,433 That's 5000 opportunities for 4498 02:18:07,433 --> 02:18:07,934 kids to have access to a 4499 02:18:07,934 --> 02:18:09,934 quality education. 4500 02:18:11,137 --> 02:18:11,938 That's 5000 opportunities for a 4501 02:18:11,938 --> 02:18:15,541 kid to grow up in a healthy 4502 02:18:15,541 --> 02:18:16,375 home and strive for success. 4503 02:18:16,375 --> 02:18:17,900 I grew up in a two bedroom 4504 02:18:17,900 --> 02:18:19,409 apartment with seven plus 4505 02:18:20,279 --> 02:18:21,247 people for most of my life. 4506 02:18:21,247 --> 02:18:21,981 If we live in a true democracy 4507 02:18:21,981 --> 02:18:25,218 we have to end the hypocrisy of 4508 02:18:25,218 --> 02:18:25,952 elected officials and community 4509 02:18:25,952 --> 02:18:28,952 members knowing the issues that 4510 02:18:29,989 --> 02:18:30,656 need to be fixed. 4511 02:18:30,656 --> 02:18:31,124 >> Thank you Zach. 4512 02:18:31,124 --> 02:18:33,124 Good afternoon. 4513 02:18:35,862 --> 02:18:36,496 I'm here on behalf of staff to 4514 02:18:36,496 --> 02:18:36,862 support the proposed empty 4515 02:18:36,862 --> 02:18:37,563 homes tax. 4516 02:18:37,563 --> 02:18:40,166 I want to thank council member 4517 02:18:40,166 --> 02:18:40,866 Ella Rivera and the Rules 4518 02:18:40,866 --> 02:18:41,200 Committee for moving this item 4519 02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:41,834 forward. 4520 02:18:41,834 --> 02:18:42,435 At the end of the day what 4521 02:18:42,435 --> 02:18:44,704 the people we serve need 4522 02:18:44,704 --> 02:18:45,404 the most is affordable housing. 4523 02:18:45,404 --> 02:18:45,972 This proposed tax could create 4524 02:18:45,972 --> 02:18:48,372 that by opening up 4525 02:18:49,942 --> 02:18:50,676 underutilized housing stock and 4526 02:18:50,676 --> 02:18:51,410 by bringing in some much needed 4527 02:18:51,410 --> 02:18:51,711 additional revenue to build new 4528 02:18:51,711 --> 02:18:53,711 units. 4529 02:18:55,114 --> 02:18:55,815 While this proposal won't solve 4530 02:18:55,815 --> 02:18:56,482 homelessness on its own, every 4531 02:18:56,482 --> 02:18:59,482 single unit of housing stock 4532 02:19:00,553 --> 02:19:01,220 that would come online due to 4533 02:19:01,220 --> 02:19:01,888 this tax would meaningfully 4534 02:19:01,888 --> 02:19:02,422 impact our efforts to combat 4535 02:19:02,422 --> 02:19:04,822 this trend and make 4536 02:19:05,391 --> 02:19:05,858 homelessness more rare. 4537 02:19:05,858 --> 02:19:06,625 Brief and non. 4538 02:19:06,625 --> 02:19:07,326 We urge you to support this 4539 02:19:07,326 --> 02:19:09,695 proposal to create more homes 4540 02:19:09,695 --> 02:19:10,162 for San Diegans. 4541 02:19:10,162 --> 02:19:10,830 >> Thank you. 4542 02:19:10,830 --> 02:19:13,230 Public advocate Shane Harris 4543 02:19:14,901 --> 02:19:15,568 You have people sitting you 4544 02:19:15,568 --> 02:19:15,968 time they can please raise 4545 02:19:15,968 --> 02:19:17,968 their hand. 4546 02:19:19,672 --> 02:19:19,939 Frank took a ton of Frank Thank 4547 02:19:19,939 --> 02:19:20,673 you. 4548 02:19:20,673 --> 02:19:21,400 And then Ina Weitzman thank you 4549 02:19:21,400 --> 02:19:23,400 so much. 4550 02:19:24,177 --> 02:19:24,677 You'll have three minutes. 4551 02:19:24,677 --> 02:19:25,440 >> Please proceed. 4552 02:19:25,440 --> 02:19:25,511 Thank you. 4553 02:19:25,511 --> 02:19:26,211 Good afternoon. 4554 02:19:26,211 --> 02:19:28,611 Council PRESIDENT And members 4555 02:19:29,820 --> 02:19:29,749 of the City Council I'm San 4556 02:19:29,749 --> 02:19:30,830 Diego public advocate Shane 4557 02:19:30,830 --> 02:19:30,750 Harris. 4558 02:19:30,750 --> 02:19:34,220 I was born and raised here. 4559 02:19:34,220 --> 02:19:34,887 I lost both of my parents at a 4560 02:19:34,887 --> 02:19:35,521 young age and age out of 4561 02:19:35,521 --> 02:19:37,891 the San Diego foster care 4562 02:19:37,891 --> 02:19:38,624 system at 18 and went homeless. 4563 02:19:38,624 --> 02:19:42,224 When you leave foster care you 4564 02:19:43,620 --> 02:19:43,563 don't inherit property savings 4565 02:19:43,563 --> 02:19:44,130 or a safety net. 4566 02:19:44,130 --> 02:19:46,530 You're trying to build 4567 02:19:47,901 --> 02:19:48,535 stability from nothing building 4568 02:19:48,535 --> 02:19:49,135 something from nothing is 4569 02:19:49,135 --> 02:19:51,135 something I understand. 4570 02:19:52,672 --> 02:19:53,339 And some of the 5000 homeowners 4571 02:19:53,339 --> 02:19:53,940 second homeowners come from 4572 02:19:53,940 --> 02:19:56,340 that background to that 4573 02:19:57,844 --> 02:19:58,545 experience shaped how I view 4574 02:19:58,545 --> 02:19:59,780 housing and building yourself 4575 02:19:59,780 --> 02:20:01,478 up from the ground. 4576 02:20:03,717 --> 02:20:03,983 Housing is not just policy to 4577 02:20:03,983 --> 02:20:04,551 me. 4578 02:20:04,551 --> 02:20:06,951 It is a security. 4579 02:20:08,210 --> 02:20:08,488 It is dignity and foundation 4580 02:20:08,488 --> 02:20:09,188 for opportunity. 4581 02:20:09,188 --> 02:20:12,492 I support housing but I still 4582 02:20:12,492 --> 02:20:13,159 support smart, smart housing 4583 02:20:13,159 --> 02:20:13,826 build through collaboration 4584 02:20:13,826 --> 02:20:14,327 with neighborhoods, builders 4585 02:20:14,327 --> 02:20:16,327 and stakeholders. 4586 02:20:17,797 --> 02:20:18,431 But I cannot support this 4587 02:20:18,431 --> 02:20:19,165 proposal as written today. 4588 02:20:19,165 --> 02:20:22,736 My primary concern is simple If 4589 02:20:22,736 --> 02:20:23,536 this measure passes the revenue 4590 02:20:23,536 --> 02:20:23,970 does not go into a protected 4591 02:20:23,970 --> 02:20:24,703 housing fund. 4592 02:20:24,703 --> 02:20:28,303 It goes into the city's general 4593 02:20:28,675 --> 02:20:32,275 fund the same fund facing a 4594 02:20:33,480 --> 02:20:34,114 $121 million deficit and total 4595 02:20:34,114 --> 02:20:34,714 mistrust from the voters. 4596 02:20:34,714 --> 02:20:37,714 If this was truly about 4597 02:20:37,884 --> 02:20:38,584 housing, the dollars would be 4598 02:20:38,584 --> 02:20:39,152 locked into housing dedicated 4599 02:20:39,152 --> 02:20:41,552 to building units and 4600 02:20:43,890 --> 02:20:44,591 increasing affordability. 4601 02:20:44,591 --> 02:20:45,292 Instead the revenue becomes 4602 02:20:45,292 --> 02:20:48,292 general revenue and we've seen 4603 02:20:48,627 --> 02:20:49,329 where that goes. 4604 02:20:49,329 --> 02:20:49,662 That raises serious questions 4605 02:20:49,662 --> 02:20:50,397 for me. 4606 02:20:50,397 --> 02:20:53,997 This is about housing policy or 4607 02:20:54,134 --> 02:20:54,434 is this about plugging a budget 4608 02:20:54,434 --> 02:20:55,301 hole? 4609 02:20:55,301 --> 02:20:58,805 I'd say a budget hole before 4610 02:20:58,805 --> 02:20:59,406 asking homeowners second 4611 02:20:59,406 --> 02:21:00,273 homeowners to pay more. 4612 02:21:00,273 --> 02:21:03,873 We should take a serious look 4613 02:21:04,611 --> 02:21:05,245 internally the city has and not 4614 02:21:05,245 --> 02:21:05,912 fully examined the bloated 4615 02:21:05,912 --> 02:21:08,312 middle management layers or 4616 02:21:09,683 --> 02:21:10,350 whether consolidate adding 4617 02:21:10,350 --> 02:21:11,510 the city's media department 4618 02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:11,721 into the mayor's office where 4619 02:21:11,721 --> 02:21:14,554 it already is working anyway 4620 02:21:14,554 --> 02:21:15,187 Could save us somewhere between 4621 02:21:15,187 --> 02:21:15,555 1.5 million and $3 million 4622 02:21:15,555 --> 02:21:17,555 annually. 4623 02:21:19,926 --> 02:21:20,594 Those savings could go into 4624 02:21:20,594 --> 02:21:21,294 parks, roads, infrastructure 4625 02:21:21,294 --> 02:21:23,694 without imposing another tax. 4626 02:21:25,464 --> 02:21:26,133 We should exhaust internal 4627 02:21:26,133 --> 02:21:26,833 efficiencies before creating 4628 02:21:26,833 --> 02:21:29,833 external burdens and we should 4629 02:21:31,271 --> 02:21:32,500 stop framing second homes as if 4630 02:21:32,500 --> 02:21:32,406 they automatically mean wealthy 4631 02:21:32,406 --> 02:21:34,406 spectators. 4632 02:21:35,375 --> 02:21:36,430 I met families in District four 4633 02:21:36,430 --> 02:21:36,676 in District eight who bought 4634 02:21:36,676 --> 02:21:39,676 modest homes in the 1990s. 4635 02:21:40,146 --> 02:21:40,547 Today on paper those homes 4636 02:21:40,547 --> 02:21:41,248 appreciated. 4637 02:21:41,248 --> 02:21:41,982 That does not make them rich. 4638 02:21:41,982 --> 02:21:44,982 That makes them long term 4639 02:21:45,319 --> 02:21:46,530 homeowners. 4640 02:21:46,530 --> 02:21:46,720 I met families in District nine 4641 02:21:46,720 --> 02:21:49,720 who inherited a small house 4642 02:21:50,524 --> 02:21:51,325 from their parents. 4643 02:21:51,325 --> 02:21:52,159 It is not a luxury estate. 4644 02:21:52,159 --> 02:21:52,726 It's not a it's a legacy home. 4645 02:21:52,726 --> 02:21:54,726 The first generational 4646 02:21:56,496 --> 02:21:56,763 stability their family ever 4647 02:21:56,763 --> 02:21:57,464 had. 4648 02:21:57,464 --> 02:21:58,131 Does that make them villains? 4649 02:21:58,131 --> 02:22:00,531 Many second properties are 4650 02:22:01,901 --> 02:22:02,636 inherited homes and probate 4651 02:22:02,636 --> 02:22:03,337 modest condos purchased decades 4652 02:22:03,337 --> 02:22:06,337 ago or small properties owned 4653 02:22:06,907 --> 02:22:07,241 by retirees relying on rental 4654 02:22:07,241 --> 02:22:07,875 income. 4655 02:22:07,875 --> 02:22:10,875 These are not hedge funds. 4656 02:22:11,712 --> 02:22:12,579 These are families. 4657 02:22:12,579 --> 02:22:13,346 And this vacancy tax would be 4658 02:22:13,346 --> 02:22:16,346 layered on top of overwhelming 4659 02:22:16,950 --> 02:22:17,583 property taxes and one of 4660 02:22:17,583 --> 02:22:18,252 the most expensive housing 4661 02:22:18,252 --> 02:22:18,819 markets might I add property 4662 02:22:18,819 --> 02:22:21,219 taxes in the country. 4663 02:22:22,220 --> 02:22:22,622 If we're serious about solving 4664 02:22:22,622 --> 02:22:25,220 the House housing budget 4665 02:22:27,528 --> 02:22:28,295 crisis, this is not the route. 4666 02:22:28,295 --> 02:22:28,862 >> Please say no to this 4667 02:22:28,862 --> 02:22:30,862 erroneous tax measure. 4668 02:22:32,533 --> 02:22:32,865 Karen, if you can please come 4669 02:22:32,865 --> 02:22:34,865 forward. 4670 02:22:36,903 --> 02:22:37,704 Hello Karen Aid. 4671 02:22:37,704 --> 02:22:38,639 Tax revenue from this proposal 4672 02:22:38,639 --> 02:22:42,508 as noted that it MAY not shall 4673 02:22:42,508 --> 02:22:43,210 go to a general fund for 4674 02:22:43,210 --> 02:22:43,610 specific specifically related 4675 02:22:43,610 --> 02:22:45,610 to housing. 4676 02:22:47,781 --> 02:22:48,649 Therefore this is an arbitrary 4677 02:22:48,649 --> 02:22:49,216 tax to be used to fund anything 4678 02:22:49,216 --> 02:22:49,917 from the general fund. 4679 02:22:49,917 --> 02:22:53,286 It is a money grab tax. 4680 02:22:53,286 --> 02:22:53,986 Owners of second homes have no 4681 02:22:53,986 --> 02:22:54,655 obligation to subsidize other 4682 02:22:54,655 --> 02:22:57,655 San Diego for their housing. 4683 02:22:58,624 --> 02:22:59,326 They pay property taxes on 4684 02:22:59,326 --> 02:22:59,626 their properties like everyone 4685 02:22:59,626 --> 02:23:00,261 else. 4686 02:23:00,261 --> 02:23:03,261 The people that own these 4687 02:23:04,263 --> 02:23:04,932 properties successfully made 4688 02:23:04,932 --> 02:23:05,599 good financial decisions to 4689 02:23:05,599 --> 02:23:06,199 purchase and maintain these 4690 02:23:06,199 --> 02:23:08,599 properties for their own 4691 02:23:09,770 --> 02:23:10,270 enjoyment not for the benefit 4692 02:23:10,270 --> 02:23:10,971 of everyone else. 4693 02:23:10,971 --> 02:23:14,571 If people in San Diego cannot 4694 02:23:14,708 --> 02:23:15,376 afford the local rental market 4695 02:23:15,376 --> 02:23:16,430 or purchase market of a 4696 02:23:16,430 --> 02:23:16,777 property they should likely 4697 02:23:16,777 --> 02:23:19,777 relocate somewhere else that is 4698 02:23:19,813 --> 02:23:20,681 financially responsible for 4699 02:23:20,681 --> 02:23:21,348 them to live a good quality of 4700 02:23:21,348 --> 02:23:24,948 life and not expect to be 4701 02:23:25,319 --> 02:23:25,853 subsidized by others or expect 4702 02:23:25,853 --> 02:23:26,554 a handout by others. 4703 02:23:26,554 --> 02:23:29,554 This proposal is an arbitrary 4704 02:23:31,592 --> 02:23:32,393 and discriminatory tax on 4705 02:23:32,393 --> 02:23:32,860 select group of less than 1% of 4706 02:23:32,860 --> 02:23:33,561 the homeowners. 4707 02:23:33,561 --> 02:23:36,561 This proposal is in violation 4708 02:23:36,697 --> 02:23:37,398 of the California Constitution 4709 02:23:37,398 --> 02:23:37,765 which allows for the right to 4710 02:23:37,765 --> 02:23:39,765 thank you. 4711 02:23:45,572 --> 02:23:46,173 >> Thank you, Bruce. 4712 02:23:46,173 --> 02:23:48,173 No first Karen. 4713 02:23:50,111 --> 02:23:50,844 Next is Christopher. 4714 02:23:50,844 --> 02:23:51,178 >> Good afternoon, council 4715 02:23:51,178 --> 02:23:53,178 members. 4716 02:23:56,683 --> 02:23:57,318 My name is Christopher Gomes 4717 02:23:57,318 --> 02:23:58,180 and I'm an organizer with 4718 02:23:58,180 --> 02:23:58,352 the San Diego Organized Labor 4719 02:23:58,352 --> 02:23:59,530 Council. 4720 02:23:59,530 --> 02:24:01,322 I want to thank Councilmember 4721 02:24:01,322 --> 02:24:02,560 Yellow Rivera and his staff 4722 02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:02,656 along with city staff for their 4723 02:24:02,656 --> 02:24:05,656 hard work on this item. 4724 02:24:06,994 --> 02:24:07,661 You know, at the Labor Council 4725 02:24:07,661 --> 02:24:08,328 we represent over 130 unions 4726 02:24:08,328 --> 02:24:10,328 and 200,000 working families 4727 02:24:11,865 --> 02:24:12,800 across the county who don't 4728 02:24:12,800 --> 02:24:13,533 want to move out of the county. 4729 02:24:13,533 --> 02:24:14,168 Many of these folks are feeling 4730 02:24:14,168 --> 02:24:17,168 the impacts of the growing 4731 02:24:18,372 --> 02:24:19,400 economic uncertainty in 4732 02:24:19,400 --> 02:24:19,706 the country and the crushing 4733 02:24:19,706 --> 02:24:20,441 cost of housing in the city 4734 02:24:20,441 --> 02:24:24,578 which is only made worse by our 4735 02:24:24,578 --> 02:24:25,246 stock of homes that sit empty. 4736 02:24:25,246 --> 02:24:25,946 Well, there are San Diegans 4737 02:24:25,946 --> 02:24:29,500 living on the street with this 4738 02:24:29,500 --> 02:24:29,717 federal administration showing 4739 02:24:29,717 --> 02:24:30,451 zero interest in addressing 4740 02:24:30,451 --> 02:24:31,520 the needs of the working class. 4741 02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:34,520 It is incumbent on local 4742 02:24:34,788 --> 02:24:35,556 government to do everything in 4743 02:24:35,556 --> 02:24:36,223 their power to relieve some of 4744 02:24:36,223 --> 02:24:36,958 that pressure to be bold, to 4745 02:24:36,958 --> 02:24:39,958 put forth policy and to 4746 02:24:40,761 --> 02:24:41,428 compromise when necessary in 4747 02:24:41,428 --> 02:24:42,129 order to make the city more 4748 02:24:42,129 --> 02:24:42,663 livable for the working folks 4749 02:24:42,663 --> 02:24:45,630 who keep it running. 4750 02:24:47,335 --> 02:24:47,635 We urge our support in this 4751 02:24:47,635 --> 02:24:48,268 item. 4752 02:24:48,268 --> 02:24:49,300 Let's move to the ballot. 4753 02:24:49,300 --> 02:24:49,637 San Diego San Diego is going to 4754 02:24:49,637 --> 02:24:50,400 have a say on the matter. 4755 02:24:50,400 --> 02:24:52,400 Thank you. 4756 02:24:53,990 --> 02:24:55,990 >> Thank you. 4757 02:24:59,460 --> 02:24:59,714 Next is Ethan. 4758 02:24:59,714 --> 02:25:00,547 >> Yes you do. 4759 02:25:00,547 --> 02:25:03,685 Once you walk up into your city 4760 02:25:03,685 --> 02:25:04,510 time by and that please raise 4761 02:25:04,510 --> 02:25:04,652 your hand. 4762 02:25:04,652 --> 02:25:07,520 And Aaron or diversity. 4763 02:25:07,788 --> 02:25:08,423 And before I thank thank you 4764 02:25:08,423 --> 02:25:08,756 You'll have three minutes 4765 02:25:08,756 --> 02:25:09,390 please. 4766 02:25:09,390 --> 02:25:09,857 No you have four minutes. 4767 02:25:09,857 --> 02:25:10,224 Please proceed. 4768 02:25:10,224 --> 02:25:12,224 Thank you. 4769 02:25:13,594 --> 02:25:14,262 Good afternoon, Council. 4770 02:25:14,262 --> 02:25:14,862 My name is Natalia Civic 4771 02:25:14,862 --> 02:25:16,862 engagement director with 4772 02:25:18,733 --> 02:25:19,400 Alliance and Diego and resident 4773 02:25:19,400 --> 02:25:19,767 of Golden Hill in Council 4774 02:25:19,767 --> 02:25:21,767 District. 4775 02:25:22,469 --> 02:25:22,904 I called San Diego my home for 4776 02:25:22,904 --> 02:25:23,604 over 26 years. 4777 02:25:23,604 --> 02:25:24,238 And my experience in the city 4778 02:25:24,238 --> 02:25:24,572 has always been that of a 4779 02:25:24,572 --> 02:25:26,572 renter. 4780 02:25:28,676 --> 02:25:29,444 I arrived here in 1999 and at 4781 02:25:29,444 --> 02:25:33,440 that time my family of five 4782 02:25:33,147 --> 02:25:33,848 shared a small room and a three 4783 02:25:33,848 --> 02:25:34,515 bedroom apartment that housed 4784 02:25:34,515 --> 02:25:35,215 at least five per room and a 4785 02:25:35,215 --> 02:25:38,815 few others in the living room. 4786 02:25:39,354 --> 02:25:40,210 My childhood memories are 4787 02:25:40,210 --> 02:25:40,755 filled with a full house in 4788 02:25:40,755 --> 02:25:41,890 the heart for smiles of working 4789 02:25:41,890 --> 02:25:43,890 people. 4790 02:25:44,992 --> 02:25:45,660 After a few years of working 4791 02:25:45,660 --> 02:25:46,661 two jobs, my mom and Helen 4792 02:25:46,661 --> 02:25:48,629 saved enough to get us into our 4793 02:25:48,629 --> 02:25:48,896 own apartment just the five of 4794 02:25:48,896 --> 02:25:49,797 us. 4795 02:25:49,797 --> 02:25:52,797 That was probably about 25 And 4796 02:25:53,701 --> 02:25:54,369 I remember the rent bill was 4797 02:25:54,369 --> 02:25:55,360 about $1,200 for a spacious 4798 02:25:55,360 --> 02:25:55,669 three bedroom apartment that 4799 02:25:55,669 --> 02:25:58,669 allowed my siblings and I 4800 02:25:59,440 --> 02:25:59,874 the personal space that we 4801 02:25:59,874 --> 02:26:00,507 always wanted. 4802 02:26:00,507 --> 02:26:00,808 >> Things were good for a 4803 02:26:00,808 --> 02:26:01,743 while. 4804 02:26:01,743 --> 02:26:05,145 However, as time went on my mom 4805 02:26:05,145 --> 02:26:05,813 didn't want wages, didn't keep 4806 02:26:05,813 --> 02:26:06,414 up with the rising rent cost 4807 02:26:06,414 --> 02:26:07,147 and the cost of living. 4808 02:26:07,147 --> 02:26:10,485 And we were fortunate to stay 4809 02:26:10,485 --> 02:26:10,984 with family to keep up with 4810 02:26:10,984 --> 02:26:12,984 the rising rents. 4811 02:26:14,556 --> 02:26:15,290 But between the ages of 16 to 4812 02:26:15,290 --> 02:26:16,230 19 since we could only afford a 4813 02:26:16,230 --> 02:26:16,691 two bedroom apartment at $1,600 4814 02:26:16,691 --> 02:26:20,291 I slept on the living room 4815 02:26:20,729 --> 02:26:21,596 couch. 4816 02:26:21,596 --> 02:26:24,596 >> Fast forward 12 years and my 4817 02:26:25,567 --> 02:26:26,334 husband and I pay $2,250 4818 02:26:26,334 --> 02:26:29,738 monthly for a one bedroom and 4819 02:26:29,738 --> 02:26:30,438 we have no option but to stay 4820 02:26:30,438 --> 02:26:31,720 in our 500 square foot unit 4821 02:26:31,720 --> 02:26:34,672 until we can afford to buy 4822 02:26:35,276 --> 02:26:35,577 which we know is not anytime 4823 02:26:35,577 --> 02:26:36,277 soon. 4824 02:26:36,277 --> 02:26:36,944 And that directly impacts our 4825 02:26:36,944 --> 02:26:39,944 ability to grow our family. 4826 02:26:41,490 --> 02:26:41,716 We are both first generation 4827 02:26:41,716 --> 02:26:42,417 graduates of San Diego State 4828 02:26:42,417 --> 02:26:44,817 University actually the first 4829 02:26:46,454 --> 02:26:46,955 in our families to cross many 4830 02:26:46,955 --> 02:26:47,689 milestones And yet 4831 02:26:47,689 --> 02:26:48,423 the possibility the possibility 4832 02:26:48,423 --> 02:26:51,660 of buying a home in a city that 4833 02:26:51,660 --> 02:26:52,260 raised does educated us and 4834 02:26:52,260 --> 02:26:52,961 shaped our commitment to 4835 02:26:52,961 --> 02:26:55,961 community feels more and more 4836 02:26:57,980 --> 02:26:57,799 out of our reach. 4837 02:26:57,799 --> 02:26:58,199 And unfortunately our story is 4838 02:26:58,199 --> 02:26:58,900 not unique. 4839 02:26:58,900 --> 02:26:59,634 It echoes across neighborhoods 4840 02:26:59,634 --> 02:27:02,634 with young families doubling up 4841 02:27:03,605 --> 02:27:04,305 in tiny apartments with our 4842 02:27:04,305 --> 02:27:04,973 elders watching their children 4843 02:27:04,973 --> 02:27:07,973 move away to more affordable 4844 02:27:09,109 --> 02:27:09,778 cities and with essential 4845 02:27:09,778 --> 02:27:10,478 workers commuting long hours 4846 02:27:10,478 --> 02:27:11,460 because they cannot afford to 4847 02:27:11,460 --> 02:27:13,446 live where they serve. 4848 02:27:17,319 --> 02:27:18,190 While thousands struggle to 4849 02:27:18,190 --> 02:27:18,754 find stable housing, homeless 4850 02:27:18,754 --> 02:27:21,156 homes here sit vacant, they are 4851 02:27:21,156 --> 02:27:21,890 treated as mere investment 4852 02:27:21,890 --> 02:27:22,357 vehicles rather than places for 4853 02:27:22,357 --> 02:27:22,991 people to live. 4854 02:27:22,991 --> 02:27:23,692 Today in history today is 4855 02:27:23,692 --> 02:27:27,395 history in the making and I am 4856 02:27:27,395 --> 02:27:28,960 grateful for the opportunity to 4857 02:27:28,960 --> 02:27:28,796 push San Diego into a better 4858 02:27:28,796 --> 02:27:29,970 direction one that just makes 4859 02:27:29,970 --> 02:27:31,970 sense. 4860 02:27:33,340 --> 02:27:33,735 Today's vote will have a direct 4861 02:27:33,735 --> 02:27:34,436 impact on my life And in 4862 02:27:34,436 --> 02:27:37,436 the more than 5100 homes left 4863 02:27:38,674 --> 02:27:39,740 vacant in the city were put up 4864 02:27:39,740 --> 02:27:39,875 for sale. 4865 02:27:39,875 --> 02:27:40,809 My husband and I might actually 4866 02:27:40,809 --> 02:27:43,645 have a shot at making San Diego 4867 02:27:43,645 --> 02:27:44,246 forever home three times 4868 02:27:44,246 --> 02:27:45,130 the chances we have now. 4869 02:27:45,130 --> 02:27:49,150 And if these homes are put back 4870 02:27:49,150 --> 02:27:49,851 on the market for rent then you 4871 02:27:49,851 --> 02:27:50,584 can have more homes to choose 4872 02:27:50,584 --> 02:27:51,253 from that make better sense for 4873 02:27:51,253 --> 02:27:53,653 their commute, their careers 4874 02:27:54,923 --> 02:27:55,691 and their communities. 4875 02:27:55,691 --> 02:27:56,357 Both of these options help San 4876 02:27:56,357 --> 02:27:57,240 Diego significantly increase 4877 02:27:57,240 --> 02:27:57,492 the housing supply and drive 4878 02:27:57,492 --> 02:27:59,492 the costs down. 4879 02:28:02,290 --> 02:28:02,397 This is a win win in Alliance 4880 02:28:02,397 --> 02:28:02,964 and Diego. 4881 02:28:02,964 --> 02:28:03,699 We are a human rights 4882 02:28:03,699 --> 02:28:04,366 organization building community 4883 02:28:04,366 --> 02:28:06,802 power to bring human rights 4884 02:28:06,802 --> 02:28:07,668 home. 4885 02:28:07,668 --> 02:28:08,370 We stand a strong support of 4886 02:28:08,370 --> 02:28:09,700 the empty homes tax because we 4887 02:28:09,700 --> 02:28:12,700 are invested in real solutions 4888 02:28:13,442 --> 02:28:14,142 And we we stand strong today 4889 02:28:14,142 --> 02:28:14,810 with community based and fair 4890 02:28:14,810 --> 02:28:16,810 housing organizations, labor 4891 02:28:18,981 --> 02:28:19,848 unions and everyday San Diego 4892 02:28:19,848 --> 02:28:20,482 and that are just looking for a 4893 02:28:20,482 --> 02:28:20,948 chance to keep calling San 4894 02:28:20,948 --> 02:28:22,948 Diego our home. 4895 02:28:25,354 --> 02:28:25,987 We urge that we urge you all to 4896 02:28:25,987 --> 02:28:26,655 vote yes and move forward. 4897 02:28:26,655 --> 02:28:30,255 The empty homes are so that 4898 02:28:30,459 --> 02:28:30,993 voters can have a say and make 4899 02:28:30,993 --> 02:28:31,593 that final decision. 4900 02:28:31,593 --> 02:28:32,127 Thank you for your time. 4901 02:28:32,127 --> 02:28:32,528 Thank you, Patricia. 4902 02:28:32,528 --> 02:28:34,528 Another one. 4903 02:28:37,232 --> 02:28:38,670 Thank you. 4904 02:28:38,670 --> 02:28:38,567 Have time to go to my audience. 4905 02:28:38,567 --> 02:28:39,134 Thank you so much. 4906 02:28:39,134 --> 02:28:41,534 You have two minutes. 4907 02:28:43,138 --> 02:28:43,772 Please proceed. 4908 02:28:43,772 --> 02:28:44,473 Good afternoon, everyone. 4909 02:28:44,473 --> 02:28:48,730 Day three Resident I'm here in 4910 02:28:48,544 --> 02:28:49,211 support of attacks on second 4911 02:28:49,211 --> 02:28:49,878 beget homes owned by wealthy 4912 02:28:49,878 --> 02:28:50,579 investors and corporations. 4913 02:28:50,579 --> 02:28:54,179 San Diego and North Park have 4914 02:28:54,450 --> 02:28:55,150 been my home since 1969. 4915 02:28:55,150 --> 02:28:55,851 Like many longtime residents, 4916 02:28:55,851 --> 02:28:58,851 I'm still struggling to afford 4917 02:29:00,255 --> 02:29:00,823 a home to stay in the city I 4918 02:29:00,823 --> 02:29:01,490 love and retire here. 4919 02:29:01,490 --> 02:29:02,357 I don't want to work for 4920 02:29:02,357 --> 02:29:06,228 the rest of my life just to 4921 02:29:06,228 --> 02:29:06,929 rent and build wealth for 4922 02:29:06,929 --> 02:29:07,329 someone who MAY already be a 4923 02:29:07,329 --> 02:29:09,329 billionaire. 4924 02:29:11,666 --> 02:29:12,467 The cost of moving rising rent 4925 02:29:12,467 --> 02:29:13,135 and wages that haven't kept up 4926 02:29:13,135 --> 02:29:13,668 with the cost of living make 4927 02:29:13,668 --> 02:29:15,668 that unsustainable. 4928 02:29:18,474 --> 02:29:19,174 I wasn't able to buy earlier 4929 02:29:19,174 --> 02:29:20,900 because of student loan debt. 4930 02:29:20,900 --> 02:29:23,609 But year after year I watched 4931 02:29:23,879 --> 02:29:24,580 prices rise beyond what working 4932 02:29:24,580 --> 02:29:25,247 for and against could afford. 4933 02:29:25,247 --> 02:29:27,647 Even when families qualified 4934 02:29:30,190 --> 02:29:30,719 they were often outbid. 4935 02:29:30,719 --> 02:29:31,420 Working in real estate, I 4936 02:29:31,420 --> 02:29:33,820 routinely saw speculators beat 4937 02:29:35,557 --> 02:29:35,958 out local families with all 4938 02:29:35,958 --> 02:29:36,659 cash offers. 4939 02:29:36,659 --> 02:29:39,659 When our neighbor passed away, 4940 02:29:41,829 --> 02:29:42,598 an investor bought the house 4941 02:29:42,598 --> 02:29:42,898 next to my parents in North 4942 02:29:42,898 --> 02:29:43,599 Park. 4943 02:29:43,599 --> 02:29:47,199 They left it vacant for over 4944 02:29:48,300 --> 02:29:48,437 five years while its value more 4945 02:29:48,437 --> 02:29:50,437 than doubled. 4946 02:29:53,408 --> 02:29:53,742 It went from 464,000 to 940,000 4947 02:29:53,742 --> 02:29:55,742 940,000. 4948 02:29:58,114 --> 02:30:01,714 That's a 103% increase on a two 4949 02:30:03,190 --> 02:30:03,719 bedroom one bath cottage. 4950 02:30:03,719 --> 02:30:04,320 No housing was created. 4951 02:30:04,320 --> 02:30:06,720 No family was helped. 4952 02:30:09,910 --> 02:30:09,725 Profit was the only gold. 4953 02:30:09,725 --> 02:30:10,326 Corporations and wealthy 4954 02:30:10,326 --> 02:30:11,250 investors have purchased 4955 02:30:11,250 --> 02:30:14,625 thousands of homes in our city 4956 02:30:15,630 --> 02:30:16,264 and left many empty. 4957 02:30:16,264 --> 02:30:16,966 These vacant homes titans 4958 02:30:16,966 --> 02:30:17,500 supply and drive up prices and 4959 02:30:17,500 --> 02:30:19,500 erode the community. 4960 02:30:21,637 --> 02:30:22,338 How we should not be for people 4961 02:30:22,338 --> 02:30:23,720 who live at home should be for 4962 02:30:23,720 --> 02:30:26,672 people who live and work here 4963 02:30:26,842 --> 02:30:27,343 Not for corporations to 4964 02:30:27,343 --> 02:30:28,440 warehouse wealth. 4965 02:30:28,440 --> 02:30:31,644 As you have already today you 4966 02:30:33,382 --> 02:30:34,830 will hear fearmongering and 4967 02:30:34,830 --> 02:30:34,817 disinformation from those who 4968 02:30:34,817 --> 02:30:35,550 profit from keeping housing out 4969 02:30:35,550 --> 02:30:39,150 of reach for working San Diego. 4970 02:30:40,289 --> 02:30:40,789 Please vote yes and let 4971 02:30:40,789 --> 02:30:41,156 the voters decide. 4972 02:30:41,156 --> 02:30:41,524 Thank you. 4973 02:30:41,524 --> 02:30:43,524 Thank you. 4974 02:30:46,896 --> 02:30:47,429 Hazardous materials. 4975 02:30:47,429 --> 02:30:47,730 Those materials. 4976 02:30:47,730 --> 02:30:49,730 Yeah. 4977 02:30:53,868 --> 02:30:54,537 If I can ask the following 4978 02:30:54,537 --> 02:30:55,204 people to please come to 4979 02:30:55,204 --> 02:30:55,605 the front row Jesse Schmidt. 4980 02:30:55,605 --> 02:30:56,500 Anna Ramos. 4981 02:30:56,500 --> 02:30:58,500 Gene Kelly. 4982 02:30:59,976 --> 02:31:00,475 Florence, Steve Russell, Karen 4983 02:31:00,475 --> 02:31:02,475 Barton and Robert. 4984 02:31:04,213 --> 02:31:04,914 Come on it If you can all 4985 02:31:04,914 --> 02:31:05,381 please come forward and you'll 4986 02:31:05,381 --> 02:31:05,882 have one minute. 4987 02:31:05,882 --> 02:31:06,348 >> Please proceed. 4988 02:31:06,348 --> 02:31:08,348 Good afternoon. 4989 02:31:10,653 --> 02:31:11,421 My name is Martin Munoz. 4990 02:31:11,421 --> 02:31:12,880 I am a community organizing 4991 02:31:12,880 --> 02:31:14,488 coordinator with the Chicano 4992 02:31:15,691 --> 02:31:16,392 Federation, a member of 4993 02:31:16,392 --> 02:31:17,250 the Community Budget Alliance 4994 02:31:17,250 --> 02:31:17,326 and a resident of District 4995 02:31:17,326 --> 02:31:17,994 eight. 4996 02:31:17,994 --> 02:31:18,694 For the past three years we 4997 02:31:18,694 --> 02:31:21,898 have been faced with a budget 4998 02:31:21,898 --> 02:31:22,632 deficit which has 4999 02:31:22,632 --> 02:31:23,332 disproportionately affected San 5000 02:31:23,332 --> 02:31:24,000 Diego's most marginalized and 5001 02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:26,000 disenfranchized communities. 5002 02:31:27,704 --> 02:31:28,438 But this proposal could allow 5003 02:31:28,438 --> 02:31:29,138 us to bring in a substantial 5004 02:31:29,138 --> 02:31:29,839 amount of revenue to continue 5005 02:31:29,839 --> 02:31:32,839 funding the services that our 5006 02:31:33,643 --> 02:31:34,377 communities rely on. 5007 02:31:34,377 --> 02:31:35,780 Furthermore, this proposal will 5008 02:31:35,780 --> 02:31:37,478 allow individuals like myself 5009 02:31:39,548 --> 02:31:40,316 to remain in San Diego. 5010 02:31:40,316 --> 02:31:40,950 To the contrary and we will 5011 02:31:40,950 --> 02:31:41,617 continue to continue down 5012 02:31:41,617 --> 02:31:44,620 the path of becoming a city 5013 02:31:44,620 --> 02:31:45,321 which does not cater to 5014 02:31:45,321 --> 02:31:45,921 the working class like myself. 5015 02:31:45,921 --> 02:31:46,622 On behalf of the Chicano 5016 02:31:46,622 --> 02:31:50,222 Federation we urge you to vote 5017 02:31:51,394 --> 02:31:52,280 in favor of this item to uphold 5018 02:31:52,280 --> 02:31:52,661 our community's democratic 5019 02:31:52,661 --> 02:31:53,328 values and to empower our 5020 02:31:53,328 --> 02:31:55,665 residents to exercise their 5021 02:31:55,665 --> 02:31:55,998 right to vote for their values 5022 02:31:55,998 --> 02:31:57,998 . 5023 02:32:01,537 --> 02:32:02,171 Thank you Jesse. 5024 02:32:02,171 --> 02:32:04,171 >> Good afternoon. 5025 02:32:06,709 --> 02:32:07,377 Council Jesse Schmidt, District 5026 02:32:07,377 --> 02:32:08,111 eight resident here today in 5027 02:32:08,111 --> 02:32:08,444 full support of the second home 5028 02:32:08,444 --> 02:32:09,111 stacks. 5029 02:32:09,111 --> 02:32:12,711 Growing up in San Diego, my 5030 02:32:12,748 --> 02:32:13,382 family had anything but a 5031 02:32:13,382 --> 02:32:14,830 stable housing situation. 5032 02:32:14,830 --> 02:32:14,750 My mother often worked two and 5033 02:32:14,750 --> 02:32:17,750 sometimes three jobs just to 5034 02:32:19,122 --> 02:32:19,788 make sure that she had 5035 02:32:19,788 --> 02:32:20,456 the means to provide for my 5036 02:32:20,456 --> 02:32:21,124 sister and I from growing up 5037 02:32:21,124 --> 02:32:24,124 and living inside a friend's 5038 02:32:24,694 --> 02:32:25,361 houses to sleeping in freezing 5039 02:32:25,361 --> 02:32:25,762 cold garages and on 5040 02:32:25,762 --> 02:32:26,396 the couches. 5041 02:32:26,396 --> 02:32:27,290 These challenges resonate 5042 02:32:27,290 --> 02:32:29,429 deeply with the community 5043 02:32:30,666 --> 02:32:31,534 behind me here today. 5044 02:32:31,534 --> 02:32:32,268 Last week we heard a public 5045 02:32:32,268 --> 02:32:32,969 comment to say Stop being poor. 5046 02:32:32,969 --> 02:32:36,573 Let me ask you a question Do 5047 02:32:36,573 --> 02:32:37,240 you tell that to the hands of 5048 02:32:37,240 --> 02:32:37,640 farmworkers that put food on 5049 02:32:37,640 --> 02:32:38,374 your table? 5050 02:32:38,374 --> 02:32:42,574 Do you say that to the military 5051 02:32:42,712 --> 02:32:43,446 families struggling to make it 5052 02:32:43,446 --> 02:32:44,800 here in San Diego willing their 5053 02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:44,781 life down for your greed? 5054 02:32:44,781 --> 02:32:47,750 Or the teachers barely making 5055 02:32:47,750 --> 02:32:48,451 it by just to make sure that 5056 02:32:48,451 --> 02:32:49,119 your child has a bright future 5057 02:32:49,119 --> 02:32:49,753 because that is who we are. 5058 02:32:49,753 --> 02:32:52,753 Let me be abundantly clear 5059 02:32:54,324 --> 02:32:54,624 Poverty is not a moral failure 5060 02:32:54,624 --> 02:32:55,325 . 5061 02:32:55,325 --> 02:32:56,250 It is a policy failure. 5062 02:32:56,250 --> 02:32:56,659 If we're going to turn slogans 5063 02:32:56,659 --> 02:32:57,930 around, here's three that 5064 02:32:57,930 --> 02:32:59,930 actually work. 5065 02:33:01,264 --> 02:33:01,965 Tax the rich invest in San 5066 02:33:01,965 --> 02:33:02,698 Diego and build more housing. 5067 02:33:02,698 --> 02:33:03,399 >> Thank you Council member Eli 5068 02:33:03,399 --> 02:33:06,999 Rivera for your work on this. 5069 02:33:09,639 --> 02:33:10,273 Thank you, Anna Ramos. 5070 02:33:10,273 --> 02:33:10,607 >> Good afternoon council 5071 02:33:10,607 --> 02:33:11,207 members. 5072 02:33:11,207 --> 02:33:14,807 My name is and Ramos, a 5073 02:33:15,278 --> 02:33:15,946 community organizer with 5074 02:33:15,946 --> 02:33:16,579 the Alliance of Californians 5075 02:33:16,579 --> 02:33:17,247 for Community Empowerment. 5076 02:33:17,247 --> 02:33:20,847 And although I don't live in 5077 02:33:21,685 --> 02:33:22,351 the city of San Diego, I've 5078 02:33:22,351 --> 02:33:23,530 been organizing in District 5079 02:33:23,530 --> 02:33:26,653 eight for some months now And 5080 02:33:27,290 --> 02:33:27,958 in doing so have helped 5081 02:33:27,958 --> 02:33:28,692 the community form the first 5082 02:33:28,692 --> 02:33:29,292 ever East chapter in San Isidro 5083 02:33:29,292 --> 02:33:32,292 with the goal of coming 5084 02:33:33,330 --> 02:33:34,630 together as a group of 5085 02:33:34,630 --> 02:33:34,764 neighbors who care deeply about 5086 02:33:34,764 --> 02:33:37,164 improving their community and 5087 02:33:39,350 --> 02:33:39,569 improving the quality of life 5088 02:33:39,569 --> 02:33:40,236 of everyone there. 5089 02:33:40,236 --> 02:33:40,971 They have been meeting for 5090 02:33:40,971 --> 02:33:43,971 months talking about the issues 5091 02:33:44,506 --> 02:33:45,175 their community faces and at 5092 02:33:45,175 --> 02:33:45,875 the top of the list is of 5093 02:33:45,875 --> 02:33:46,610 course housing affordability. 5094 02:33:46,610 --> 02:33:50,210 We have members who have shared 5095 02:33:51,347 --> 02:33:52,480 their struggles having to live 5096 02:33:52,480 --> 02:33:52,749 with six people in a one 5097 02:33:52,749 --> 02:33:53,483 bedroom apartment because that 5098 02:33:53,483 --> 02:33:56,786 is the only thing that they can 5099 02:33:56,786 --> 02:33:57,554 ever afford. 5100 02:33:57,554 --> 02:33:58,255 There are folks living in 5101 02:33:58,255 --> 02:33:59,122 mobile home parks who dream of 5102 02:33:59,122 --> 02:34:03,322 one day being able to afford a 5103 02:34:03,593 --> 02:34:03,994 home but that has become almost 5104 02:34:03,994 --> 02:34:04,694 impossible. 5105 02:34:04,694 --> 02:34:08,294 So on their behalf we strongly 5106 02:34:09,733 --> 02:34:10,400 support this empty home tax. 5107 02:34:10,400 --> 02:34:11,101 San Diegans really need this 5108 02:34:11,101 --> 02:34:11,635 housing crisis to be addressed 5109 02:34:11,635 --> 02:34:14,350 as soon as possible. 5110 02:34:15,639 --> 02:34:15,973 Thank you for that Concluding 5111 02:34:15,973 --> 02:34:16,706 remark. 5112 02:34:16,706 --> 02:34:20,306 >> It's only the second row for 5113 02:34:20,577 --> 02:34:21,278 people to find out It's 5114 02:34:21,278 --> 02:34:21,745 important for the people you 5115 02:34:21,745 --> 02:34:22,145 lay in the back. 5116 02:34:22,145 --> 02:34:22,846 That's cool. 5117 02:34:22,846 --> 02:34:25,846 There's nobody behind you But 5118 02:34:26,884 --> 02:34:27,584 it's important that 5119 02:34:27,584 --> 02:34:28,251 the audience can actually see 5120 02:34:28,251 --> 02:34:28,919 the speaker or actually see 5121 02:34:28,919 --> 02:34:29,252 the reaction of the council 5122 02:34:29,252 --> 02:34:29,853 members. 5123 02:34:29,853 --> 02:34:31,622 So thank you very much. 5124 02:34:31,622 --> 02:34:32,210 No worries. 5125 02:34:32,210 --> 02:34:34,210 Thank you. 5126 02:34:37,761 --> 02:34:38,528 If you can please come up. 5127 02:34:38,528 --> 02:34:39,296 >> Hello, my name is d. 5128 02:34:39,296 --> 02:34:39,896 I'm a resident of District nine 5129 02:34:39,896 --> 02:34:40,429 and I'm here in favor of 5130 02:34:40,429 --> 02:34:42,829 the empty home tax. 5131 02:34:44,534 --> 02:34:45,680 Again, I'd like to personally 5132 02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:45,668 thank you Better for 5133 02:34:45,668 --> 02:34:46,360 prioritizing people over 5134 02:34:46,360 --> 02:34:48,360 property. 5135 02:34:49,373 --> 02:34:50,730 It's imperative that we keep 5136 02:34:50,730 --> 02:34:50,707 the San Diego for the families 5137 02:34:50,707 --> 02:34:51,375 that have built it and we 5138 02:34:51,375 --> 02:34:54,375 should forget that black and 5139 02:34:55,345 --> 02:34:56,790 brown owners were barred from 5140 02:34:56,790 --> 02:34:56,780 owning homes in the La Hoya and 5141 02:34:56,780 --> 02:34:57,146 expensive districts just until 5142 02:34:57,146 --> 02:34:59,146 recently. 5143 02:35:01,170 --> 02:35:01,651 These people that own multiple 5144 02:35:01,651 --> 02:35:02,319 homes were benefiting from 5145 02:35:02,319 --> 02:35:02,686 systematic racism and white 5146 02:35:02,686 --> 02:35:04,686 privilege. 5147 02:35:06,557 --> 02:35:07,224 Yet the families that have been 5148 02:35:07,224 --> 02:35:07,891 here for generations shaping 5149 02:35:07,891 --> 02:35:08,591 the culture and character of 5150 02:35:08,591 --> 02:35:12,191 the city by focusing on their 5151 02:35:13,430 --> 02:35:13,997 neighbors were reinvesting in 5152 02:35:13,997 --> 02:35:14,731 the stability of their 5153 02:35:14,731 --> 02:35:15,431 communities which will yield in 5154 02:35:15,431 --> 02:35:19,310 a stronger district and a more 5155 02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:19,703 sustained local economy. 5156 02:35:19,703 --> 02:35:20,137 Keeping vacant homes does 5157 02:35:20,137 --> 02:35:20,771 the opposite. 5158 02:35:20,771 --> 02:35:21,438 It contributes to nothing. 5159 02:35:21,438 --> 02:35:21,805 It doesn't support the local 5160 02:35:21,805 --> 02:35:23,805 tax base. 5161 02:35:25,776 --> 02:35:26,443 It doesn't fill the seats in 5162 02:35:26,443 --> 02:35:27,100 the schools and it certainly 5163 02:35:27,100 --> 02:35:27,377 doesn't contribute to 5164 02:35:27,377 --> 02:35:28,780 community. 5165 02:35:28,780 --> 02:35:31,678 It's a depletion of the city's 5166 02:35:32,249 --> 02:35:32,949 vitality and we hope to see you 5167 02:35:32,949 --> 02:35:33,584 pass this and thank you again 5168 02:35:33,584 --> 02:35:35,984 Shanita rivera Thank you, 5169 02:35:37,540 --> 02:35:37,787 Kaylee. 5170 02:35:37,787 --> 02:35:39,787 >> Hello council members. 5171 02:35:43,827 --> 02:35:44,494 My name is Keeley Hawes and I'm 5172 02:35:44,494 --> 02:35:45,161 here today as a member of 5173 02:35:45,161 --> 02:35:45,829 the Alliance of Californians 5174 02:35:45,829 --> 02:35:48,229 for Community Empowerment to 5175 02:35:49,199 --> 02:35:49,766 show my support to put 5176 02:35:49,766 --> 02:35:50,166 the empty home tax on 5177 02:35:50,166 --> 02:35:50,901 the ballot. 5178 02:35:50,901 --> 02:35:55,101 Although I am not a resident of 5179 02:35:55,405 --> 02:35:56,106 San Diego, I do work three jobs 5180 02:35:56,106 --> 02:36:00,306 in the city and yet I cannot 5181 02:36:01,111 --> 02:36:01,845 afford to live in the city of 5182 02:36:01,845 --> 02:36:02,613 San Diego where I spend most of 5183 02:36:02,613 --> 02:36:06,583 my time, most of my commute and 5184 02:36:06,583 --> 02:36:07,484 all of my money. 5185 02:36:07,484 --> 02:36:08,218 I move to San Diego because I 5186 02:36:08,218 --> 02:36:08,918 was originally pushed out of my 5187 02:36:08,918 --> 02:36:11,318 hometown and community because 5188 02:36:12,856 --> 02:36:13,624 of housing affordability and I 5189 02:36:13,624 --> 02:36:17,224 could no longer afford to live 5190 02:36:18,729 --> 02:36:19,430 there and I fear that that is 5191 02:36:19,430 --> 02:36:22,430 the direction Sanyo was headed 5192 02:36:24,334 --> 02:36:25,202 in If we do not make a change 5193 02:36:25,202 --> 02:36:25,869 with this empty home tax to be 5194 02:36:25,869 --> 02:36:26,504 put on the ballot we will be 5195 02:36:26,504 --> 02:36:30,730 taking a step in the right 5196 02:36:30,730 --> 02:36:30,774 direction to a more affordable 5197 02:36:30,774 --> 02:36:31,508 city so that the people who 5198 02:36:31,508 --> 02:36:32,442 work in this beautiful city MAY 5199 02:36:32,442 --> 02:36:36,414 continue to live and grow in a 5200 02:36:36,414 --> 02:36:36,780 place where we are proud to 5201 02:36:36,780 --> 02:36:37,481 call home. 5202 02:36:37,481 --> 02:36:37,848 And I've dreamed of living in 5203 02:36:37,848 --> 02:36:39,848 the city. 5204 02:36:43,254 --> 02:36:43,570 Don't make me change that 5205 02:36:43,570 --> 02:36:43,920 dream. 5206 02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:44,321 Thank you. 5207 02:36:44,321 --> 02:36:44,755 Thank you. 5208 02:36:44,755 --> 02:36:45,455 Steve Russell. 5209 02:36:45,455 --> 02:36:49,550 Steve Russell You have time to 5210 02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:49,460 give to you by Juliet Ornelas. 5211 02:36:49,460 --> 02:36:50,194 Thank you. 5212 02:36:50,194 --> 02:36:50,561 You'll have two minutes please. 5213 02:36:50,561 --> 02:36:52,561 Thank you. 5214 02:36:54,632 --> 02:36:55,299 Well, good afternoon. 5215 02:36:55,299 --> 02:36:55,932 Honorable Council PRESIDENT 5216 02:36:55,932 --> 02:36:56,633 Council members I'm Steven 5217 02:36:56,633 --> 02:36:57,201 Russell, PRESIDENT And ceo of 5218 02:36:57,201 --> 02:36:59,601 the San Diego Housing 5219 02:37:00,504 --> 02:37:01,172 Federation and the Federation. 5220 02:37:01,172 --> 02:37:01,672 We believe that everyone has 5221 02:37:01,672 --> 02:37:04,720 the right to have 5222 02:37:06,711 --> 02:37:07,310 the opportunity for safe and 5223 02:37:07,310 --> 02:37:07,912 affordable home safe and 5224 02:37:07,912 --> 02:37:08,612 affordable place to live 5225 02:37:08,612 --> 02:37:09,312 because all other social goods 5226 02:37:09,312 --> 02:37:12,912 come from having a stable home 5227 02:37:13,500 --> 02:37:13,918 environment. 5228 02:37:13,918 --> 02:37:14,251 We do know how housing crises 5229 02:37:14,251 --> 02:37:14,852 develop. 5230 02:37:14,852 --> 02:37:17,852 It's there's a very good 5231 02:37:18,656 --> 02:37:19,256 scholarship on this. 5232 02:37:19,256 --> 02:37:19,957 There's a simple formula 5233 02:37:19,957 --> 02:37:20,657 basically create a lot of high 5234 02:37:20,657 --> 02:37:21,292 wage jobs and then don't build 5235 02:37:21,292 --> 02:37:21,625 the housing to house those 5236 02:37:21,625 --> 02:37:23,625 workers. 5237 02:37:25,196 --> 02:37:25,563 What will happen with 5238 02:37:25,563 --> 02:37:26,297 resources? 5239 02:37:26,297 --> 02:37:26,931 We'll find homes most typically 5240 02:37:26,931 --> 02:37:29,331 homes that were previously 5241 02:37:31,235 --> 02:37:31,935 rented or owned by poor folks 5242 02:37:31,935 --> 02:37:32,670 And that is a downward ladder 5243 02:37:32,670 --> 02:37:36,270 that reaches down to where we 5244 02:37:36,542 --> 02:37:37,208 have families who are being 5245 02:37:37,208 --> 02:37:37,908 forced out onto the streets. 5246 02:37:37,908 --> 02:37:38,543 They're doubling up, tripling 5247 02:37:38,543 --> 02:37:41,543 up or leaving the region. 5248 02:37:43,213 --> 02:37:43,915 So this dynamic is well 5249 02:37:43,915 --> 02:37:44,649 established in the supply and 5250 02:37:44,649 --> 02:37:45,348 demand patterns and constraints 5251 02:37:45,348 --> 02:37:47,748 in constrained housing markets 5252 02:37:48,119 --> 02:37:48,820 to be clear, there are multiple 5253 02:37:48,820 --> 02:37:49,487 strategies that are needed to 5254 02:37:49,487 --> 02:37:50,880 address the housing crisis. 5255 02:37:50,880 --> 02:37:52,488 One is expanding overall 5256 02:37:54,492 --> 02:37:55,126 housing production to help 5257 02:37:55,126 --> 02:37:55,793 increase availability and 5258 02:37:55,793 --> 02:37:56,394 alleviate price pressure and 5259 02:37:56,394 --> 02:37:57,950 the other is to increase 5260 02:37:57,950 --> 02:37:59,495 the availability of affordable 5261 02:38:00,231 --> 02:38:00,931 housing housing affordable to 5262 02:38:00,931 --> 02:38:03,331 the lowest income individuals 5263 02:38:05,737 --> 02:38:06,337 in our community and ensuring a 5264 02:38:06,337 --> 02:38:07,500 strategy to ensure that 5265 02:38:07,500 --> 02:38:07,605 existing homes are actively 5266 02:38:07,605 --> 02:38:07,938 used rather than sitting 5267 02:38:07,938 --> 02:38:09,938 unused. 5268 02:38:12,477 --> 02:38:13,177 This measure today which we 5269 02:38:13,177 --> 02:38:13,845 urge you to support focuses on 5270 02:38:13,845 --> 02:38:14,579 improving availability of a 5271 02:38:14,579 --> 02:38:17,579 portion of the existing housing 5272 02:38:17,648 --> 02:38:18,449 stock in a market where supply 5273 02:38:18,449 --> 02:38:19,183 is already limited and it also 5274 02:38:19,183 --> 02:38:19,917 creates the opportunity to have 5275 02:38:19,917 --> 02:38:23,517 new resources with which we can 5276 02:38:23,888 --> 02:38:24,588 develop new affordable homes. 5277 02:38:24,588 --> 02:38:25,223 The majority of properties are 5278 02:38:25,223 --> 02:38:27,623 such as primary residences 5279 02:38:30,610 --> 02:38:30,762 simply won't be affected. 5280 02:38:30,762 --> 02:38:31,428 And it's important to remember 5281 02:38:31,428 --> 02:38:32,163 though that a house is not a 5282 02:38:32,163 --> 02:38:35,763 home if no one's living there. 5283 02:38:36,234 --> 02:38:36,935 So we urge you to support 5284 02:38:36,935 --> 02:38:37,668 the action before it today and 5285 02:38:37,668 --> 02:38:38,236 give the voters the opportunity 5286 02:38:38,236 --> 02:38:40,406 to vote on this issue. 5287 02:38:40,406 --> 02:38:41,500 Thank you for your time and 5288 02:38:41,500 --> 02:38:43,500 attention today, Karen. 5289 02:38:46,744 --> 02:38:47,345 All right. 5290 02:38:47,345 --> 02:38:49,345 Hello council members. 5291 02:38:51,348 --> 02:38:51,783 I'm Karen Barton and I live in 5292 02:38:51,783 --> 02:38:52,450 District two. 5293 02:38:52,450 --> 02:38:54,850 I'm representing my neighbor 5294 02:38:56,754 --> 02:38:57,555 today who's at work. 5295 02:38:57,555 --> 02:38:57,988 She owns two homes on the same 5296 02:38:57,988 --> 02:38:59,988 neighborhood. 5297 02:39:03,128 --> 02:39:03,928 She's got three kids at home 5298 02:39:03,928 --> 02:39:04,696 and her husband travels a lot. 5299 02:39:04,696 --> 02:39:05,230 They work hard and have little 5300 02:39:05,230 --> 02:39:07,230 time for themselves. 5301 02:39:09,601 --> 02:39:10,235 Her parents come into town 5302 02:39:10,235 --> 02:39:10,702 twice monthly to care for 5303 02:39:10,702 --> 02:39:11,369 the little ones. 5304 02:39:11,369 --> 02:39:14,369 They trade off with other 5305 02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:15,907 grandparents. 5306 02:39:15,907 --> 02:39:20,107 One week on, one week off she 5307 02:39:20,245 --> 02:39:20,612 uses that second home 120 days 5308 02:39:20,612 --> 02:39:21,413 per year. 5309 02:39:21,413 --> 02:39:25,613 Is this a family you deem too 5310 02:39:26,510 --> 02:39:26,418 rich or in need of double 5311 02:39:26,418 --> 02:39:26,918 taxation? 5312 02:39:26,918 --> 02:39:27,619 I don't think so. 5313 02:39:27,619 --> 02:39:31,219 They have come up with a 5314 02:39:31,589 --> 02:39:32,257 creative solution to use family 5315 02:39:32,257 --> 02:39:32,958 to provide care instead of 5316 02:39:32,958 --> 02:39:33,591 socking away savings for their 5317 02:39:33,591 --> 02:39:35,991 own retirement or college. 5318 02:39:37,195 --> 02:39:37,529 They're investing in their 5319 02:39:37,529 --> 02:39:38,163 family. 5320 02:39:38,163 --> 02:39:38,963 They want a second home, a 5321 02:39:38,963 --> 02:39:41,963 modest condo providing a place 5322 02:39:43,501 --> 02:39:44,350 to live for their parents to 5323 02:39:44,350 --> 02:39:44,603 help raise children. 5324 02:39:44,603 --> 02:39:45,300 Please vote no on this 5325 02:39:45,300 --> 02:39:47,300 initiative. 5326 02:39:47,973 --> 02:39:50,373 Thanks for your time. 5327 02:39:55,130 --> 02:39:55,413 >> Robert. 5328 02:39:55,413 --> 02:39:55,914 >> Yes. 5329 02:39:55,914 --> 02:39:56,681 I'm Bob Kevin. 5330 02:39:56,681 --> 02:39:59,681 As PRESIDENT Of the Senate 5331 02:40:02,530 --> 02:40:02,721 Association Realtors 5332 02:40:02,721 --> 02:40:04,721 representing 10,000 members. 5333 02:40:05,356 --> 02:40:05,990 Look, I would appreciate if I 5334 02:40:05,990 --> 02:40:06,691 could have three minutes. 5335 02:40:06,691 --> 02:40:07,292 >> I'm really sorry We have to 5336 02:40:07,292 --> 02:40:07,658 treat everybody exactly 5337 02:40:07,658 --> 02:40:08,590 the same. 5338 02:40:08,590 --> 02:40:10,590 Okay, fine. 5339 02:40:11,428 --> 02:40:12,960 Thank you. 5340 02:40:12,960 --> 02:40:12,764 We have submitted a formal 5341 02:40:12,764 --> 02:40:13,465 letter to you setting forth 5342 02:40:13,465 --> 02:40:17,650 some of the reasons why we're 5343 02:40:17,803 --> 02:40:18,437 against the proposed empty home 5344 02:40:18,437 --> 02:40:18,737 tax measure bill before us 5345 02:40:18,737 --> 02:40:20,737 today. 5346 02:40:24,142 --> 02:40:24,709 And I hope you come up with 5347 02:40:24,709 --> 02:40:25,243 the right conclusion. 5348 02:40:25,243 --> 02:40:25,610 Thank you very much. 5349 02:40:25,610 --> 02:40:26,311 Thank you. 5350 02:40:26,311 --> 02:40:29,911 If I could have the following 5351 02:40:31,116 --> 02:40:31,850 individuals please come up to 5352 02:40:31,850 --> 02:40:32,584 the other reserved seats and up 5353 02:40:32,584 --> 02:40:33,185 to the microphone Daryl Cotton, 5354 02:40:33,185 --> 02:40:35,585 Nicole Lilly and Rohana 5355 02:40:41,192 --> 02:40:43,192 Hariharan. 5356 02:40:45,630 --> 02:40:45,664 R White Barry As a last name 5357 02:40:45,664 --> 02:40:47,664 Brenda Lindstrom, Shane 5358 02:40:51,603 --> 02:40:52,400 Pendergrass and Brian Broad and 5359 02:40:52,400 --> 02:40:52,838 Mary Burke. 5360 02:40:52,838 --> 02:40:53,338 If you can all please come up 5361 02:40:53,338 --> 02:40:53,939 to the first room. 5362 02:40:53,939 --> 02:40:55,939 Please proceed already. 5363 02:40:57,420 --> 02:40:57,909 Good afternoon Counsel. 5364 02:40:57,909 --> 02:40:58,510 My name is Darryl Cotton and I 5365 02:40:58,510 --> 02:40:59,211 am a 45 year resident of 5366 02:40:59,211 --> 02:41:03,515 the city of San Diego And I am 5367 02:41:03,515 --> 02:41:04,182 here because what I've got to 5368 02:41:04,182 --> 02:41:04,883 tell this council is I don't 5369 02:41:04,883 --> 02:41:05,651 think we really have a budget 5370 02:41:05,651 --> 02:41:09,354 problem as much as we have a 5371 02:41:09,354 --> 02:41:09,922 collection problem. 5372 02:41:09,922 --> 02:41:10,656 And although we should 5373 02:41:10,656 --> 02:41:11,289 incentivize people getting into 5374 02:41:11,289 --> 02:41:14,289 homes, I believe there are 5375 02:41:15,727 --> 02:41:16,328 other ways to do it If we can 5376 02:41:16,328 --> 02:41:16,995 take care of the budget. 5377 02:41:16,995 --> 02:41:20,595 The deep hole that we've dug 5378 02:41:21,660 --> 02:41:21,767 here in this city and what I've 5379 02:41:21,767 --> 02:41:22,501 come to find is that there are 5380 02:41:22,501 --> 02:41:23,168 millions of dollars in cannabis 5381 02:41:23,168 --> 02:41:26,168 tax revenues in the cannabis 5382 02:41:28,740 --> 02:41:29,408 business tax that aren't being 5383 02:41:29,408 --> 02:41:30,142 paid And I have evidence of 5384 02:41:30,142 --> 02:41:30,809 that of two public records that 5385 02:41:30,809 --> 02:41:33,511 try to get that information 5386 02:41:33,511 --> 02:41:34,213 from the city. 5387 02:41:34,213 --> 02:41:35,470 They won't give it to me. 5388 02:41:35,470 --> 02:41:35,714 So I finally file a petition of 5389 02:41:35,714 --> 02:41:39,314 mandamus to get the city to 5390 02:41:40,452 --> 02:41:40,751 give me that record and they 5391 02:41:40,751 --> 02:41:41,487 won't. 5392 02:41:41,487 --> 02:41:42,187 The city attorney tells me they 5393 02:41:42,187 --> 02:41:42,921 won't give it to them either. 5394 02:41:42,921 --> 02:41:46,125 So I have a document here and 5395 02:41:46,125 --> 02:41:46,725 put it on the council that's 5396 02:41:46,725 --> 02:41:47,426 willing to see it should 5397 02:41:47,426 --> 02:41:48,160 because if we can pick up just 5398 02:41:48,160 --> 02:41:51,160 budget shortfalls we don't have 5399 02:41:51,897 --> 02:41:52,564 to tax parking and we don't 5400 02:41:52,564 --> 02:41:56,164 have to pick up the housing 5401 02:41:58,337 --> 02:41:59,700 crisis by burdening owners. 5402 02:41:59,700 --> 02:41:59,737 >> That shouldn't affect them. 5403 02:41:59,737 --> 02:42:00,205 Thank you for the concluding 5404 02:42:00,205 --> 02:42:01,600 sentence Nicole. 5405 02:42:01,600 --> 02:42:04,309 You have time to get it to you 5406 02:42:04,309 --> 02:42:05,100 by sparking me To think that 5407 02:42:05,100 --> 02:42:08,100 Sparky was she wasn't sure 5408 02:42:10,683 --> 02:42:11,183 somebody was clapping or 5409 02:42:11,183 --> 02:42:11,483 raising your hand. 5410 02:42:11,483 --> 02:42:12,150 Okay? 5411 02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:15,150 You were raising your hand. 5412 02:42:15,521 --> 02:42:15,921 Thank you. 5413 02:42:15,921 --> 02:42:16,688 Yeah. 5414 02:42:16,688 --> 02:42:17,560 Okay, so you have two minutes. 5415 02:42:17,560 --> 02:42:17,356 Thank you. 5416 02:42:17,356 --> 02:42:19,356 Hello. 5417 02:42:21,861 --> 02:42:22,728 My name is Nicole Lilly. 5418 02:42:22,728 --> 02:42:23,428 >> I'm a 23 year old renter 5419 02:42:23,428 --> 02:42:24,129 resident of District three and 5420 02:42:24,129 --> 02:42:27,129 executive director of our Time 5421 02:42:27,465 --> 02:42:28,167 to Act where at youth led 5422 02:42:28,167 --> 02:42:28,801 nonprofit organizing Powerful 5423 02:42:28,801 --> 02:42:29,468 Youth for Housing justice. 5424 02:42:29,468 --> 02:42:33,680 I'm here today again to urge 5425 02:42:34,473 --> 02:42:35,240 you to vote for housing justice 5426 02:42:35,240 --> 02:42:35,841 Every day San Diego boys are 5427 02:42:35,841 --> 02:42:36,475 struggling to survive in 5428 02:42:36,475 --> 02:42:39,845 the city a majority of you 5429 02:42:39,845 --> 02:42:40,512 against our renters and 5430 02:42:40,512 --> 02:42:41,213 the majority of renters are 5431 02:42:41,213 --> 02:42:41,814 paying more than 30% of their 5432 02:42:41,814 --> 02:42:44,214 income on housing alone. 5433 02:42:45,951 --> 02:42:46,452 This is an unaccepted and 5434 02:42:46,452 --> 02:42:47,152 avoidable reality. 5435 02:42:47,152 --> 02:42:47,820 This is the result of treating 5436 02:42:47,820 --> 02:42:50,820 housing as an investment and 5437 02:42:52,425 --> 02:42:52,992 profit gouging tools rather 5438 02:42:52,992 --> 02:42:53,659 than the human right. 5439 02:42:53,659 --> 02:42:54,393 But it is as more of our 5440 02:42:54,393 --> 02:42:57,393 neighbors are thrown into house 5441 02:42:57,963 --> 02:42:58,631 lessness and housing insecurity 5442 02:42:58,631 --> 02:42:59,265 every day as we continue to 5443 02:42:59,265 --> 02:42:59,999 fall woefully short on our 5444 02:42:59,999 --> 02:43:02,999 housing development goals as we 5445 02:43:04,336 --> 02:43:04,970 face devastating cuts to 5446 02:43:04,970 --> 02:43:05,604 essential services due to 5447 02:43:05,604 --> 02:43:07,604 growing budget shortages. 5448 02:43:09,375 --> 02:43:10,108 It is inexplicable to me why we 5449 02:43:10,108 --> 02:43:10,743 should allow over 5000 homes to 5450 02:43:10,743 --> 02:43:11,143 sit entirely empty without 5451 02:43:11,143 --> 02:43:13,143 consequence. 5452 02:43:15,214 --> 02:43:15,848 I want to live in a city that 5453 02:43:15,848 --> 02:43:16,548 prioritizes its people not 5454 02:43:16,548 --> 02:43:19,548 property and profit whether it 5455 02:43:20,653 --> 02:43:21,320 creates revenue or puts these 5456 02:43:21,320 --> 02:43:21,721 homes back into the hands of 5457 02:43:21,721 --> 02:43:22,455 San Diegans. 5458 02:43:22,455 --> 02:43:26,655 Your vote on this item tells us 5459 02:43:27,126 --> 02:43:27,960 how you see housing. 5460 02:43:27,960 --> 02:43:28,593 Do you believe housing is a 5461 02:43:28,593 --> 02:43:29,262 tool for profit or a human 5462 02:43:29,262 --> 02:43:31,662 right for your constituents? 5463 02:43:32,698 --> 02:43:33,299 I urge this council to pass 5464 02:43:33,299 --> 02:43:33,900 this item and bring this 5465 02:43:33,900 --> 02:43:34,600 decision to the people. 5466 02:43:34,600 --> 02:43:38,200 And finally, I'd like to speak 5467 02:43:38,437 --> 02:43:39,305 to my fellow neighbors which 5468 02:43:39,305 --> 02:43:40,600 you all are as well owners of 5469 02:43:40,600 --> 02:43:43,606 second homes who allow them to 5470 02:43:44,277 --> 02:43:45,110 sit empty while the rest of us 5471 02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:45,478 struggle to survive in the city 5472 02:43:45,478 --> 02:43:46,179 are not victims. 5473 02:43:46,179 --> 02:43:49,179 The people who are struggling 5474 02:43:50,483 --> 02:43:51,184 every day to pay your rent and 5475 02:43:51,184 --> 02:43:51,918 to work and support the needs 5476 02:43:51,918 --> 02:43:52,218 of the city need you to support 5477 02:43:52,218 --> 02:43:54,218 them. 5478 02:43:57,322 --> 02:43:57,989 We are human beings. 5479 02:43:57,989 --> 02:43:58,557 Renters are human beings and 5480 02:43:58,557 --> 02:43:58,958 this is not them being 5481 02:43:58,958 --> 02:44:00,958 victimized. 5482 02:44:02,661 --> 02:44:03,229 This is not them subsidizing 5483 02:44:03,229 --> 02:44:03,896 their fellow neighbor. 5484 02:44:03,896 --> 02:44:04,197 This isn't paying their fair 5485 02:44:04,197 --> 02:44:04,897 share. 5486 02:44:04,897 --> 02:44:05,565 This is only a first step and 5487 02:44:05,565 --> 02:44:08,565 this deserves to go to 5488 02:44:09,235 --> 02:44:09,936 the people. 5489 02:44:09,936 --> 02:44:10,236 >> I appreciate your time 5490 02:44:10,236 --> 02:44:10,603 today. 5491 02:44:10,603 --> 02:44:12,603 Thank you. 5492 02:44:16,342 --> 02:44:17,309 Thank you everyone. 5493 02:44:17,309 --> 02:44:20,446 Oh, my name is Dan and I look 5494 02:44:20,446 --> 02:44:21,140 at our contract alongside being 5495 02:44:21,140 --> 02:44:21,848 a student at ucsd. 5496 02:44:21,848 --> 02:44:22,548 I come here on behalf of all my 5497 02:44:22,548 --> 02:44:25,548 friends and many students all 5498 02:44:27,420 --> 02:44:28,870 of whom have who have not had 5499 02:44:28,870 --> 02:44:28,821 an easy journey with finding 5500 02:44:28,821 --> 02:44:29,522 off campus housing and who wish 5501 02:44:29,522 --> 02:44:33,722 they could be here but have to 5502 02:44:33,826 --> 02:44:34,260 prioritize their classes 5503 02:44:34,260 --> 02:44:34,928 instead. 5504 02:44:34,928 --> 02:44:35,594 This policy will affect over 5505 02:44:35,594 --> 02:44:37,994 5000 homes homes that would 5506 02:44:39,980 --> 02:44:39,766 students of that house families 5507 02:44:39,766 --> 02:44:40,400 Even by conservative numbers 5508 02:44:40,400 --> 02:44:41,330 This could lead to housing 5509 02:44:41,330 --> 02:44:43,433 thousands of families and 5510 02:44:44,938 --> 02:44:45,538 students and if not the city 5511 02:44:45,538 --> 02:44:46,239 can use the revenue from 5512 02:44:46,239 --> 02:44:46,906 the tax to help fund our most 5513 02:44:46,906 --> 02:44:49,906 basic needs and improve San 5514 02:44:50,509 --> 02:44:51,144 Diegans lives. 5515 02:44:51,144 --> 02:44:51,477 Youth are struggling with 5516 02:44:51,477 --> 02:44:52,780 housing. 5517 02:44:52,780 --> 02:44:52,812 We need you to help us. 5518 02:44:52,812 --> 02:44:57,120 This is a step in the right 5519 02:44:58,840 --> 02:44:58,750 direction and you can show us 5520 02:44:58,750 --> 02:44:59,452 that you care about us by 5521 02:44:59,452 --> 02:45:00,153 taking this step Those who own 5522 02:45:00,153 --> 02:45:02,388 multiple homes while the rest 5523 02:45:02,388 --> 02:45:03,890 of us struggle to survive are 5524 02:45:03,890 --> 02:45:03,656 not victims for being asked to 5525 02:45:03,656 --> 02:45:04,324 pay their fair share. 5526 02:45:04,324 --> 02:45:06,724 I hope everyone understands 5527 02:45:08,361 --> 02:45:08,828 the urgency of this. 5528 02:45:08,828 --> 02:45:10,828 Thank you. 5529 02:45:15,434 --> 02:45:15,768 Thank you very or very Hello 5530 02:45:15,768 --> 02:45:16,402 Council. 5531 02:45:16,402 --> 02:45:17,269 My name is Kristen Berry. 5532 02:45:17,269 --> 02:45:20,473 I'm here with you as well to 5533 02:45:20,473 --> 02:45:21,174 speak in support of the empty 5534 02:45:21,174 --> 02:45:21,874 home tax going to the ballot. 5535 02:45:21,874 --> 02:45:22,542 As someone who has spent many 5536 02:45:22,542 --> 02:45:25,542 nights searching for a roof 5537 02:45:26,780 --> 02:45:27,447 over my head at many points in 5538 02:45:27,447 --> 02:45:28,147 my life, housing should be a 5539 02:45:28,147 --> 02:45:28,848 fundamental right for all and 5540 02:45:28,848 --> 02:45:31,848 not an opportunity for profit 5541 02:45:33,319 --> 02:45:34,250 That does not seem to be 5542 02:45:34,250 --> 02:45:34,721 the case currently in the city 5543 02:45:34,721 --> 02:45:35,288 of San Diego though as we see 5544 02:45:35,288 --> 02:45:35,989 the hoarding of empty 5545 02:45:35,989 --> 02:45:38,825 properties by the very wealthy 5546 02:45:38,825 --> 02:45:39,525 leaving both city and revenue 5547 02:45:39,525 --> 02:45:40,126 leaving both city revenue and 5548 02:45:40,126 --> 02:45:40,793 unhoused individuals by 5549 02:45:40,793 --> 02:45:43,793 the wayside, we must rectify 5550 02:45:45,898 --> 02:45:46,566 this greed that is costing San 5551 02:45:46,566 --> 02:45:47,100 Diego stability, dignity and 5552 02:45:47,100 --> 02:45:50,100 the right to a home. 5553 02:45:50,403 --> 02:45:51,104 The home taxes a crucial step 5554 02:45:51,104 --> 02:45:51,404 towards housing justice in San 5555 02:45:51,404 --> 02:45:52,105 Diego. 5556 02:45:52,105 --> 02:45:52,806 It is a great method for us to 5557 02:45:52,806 --> 02:45:55,206 generate necessary revenue to 5558 02:45:57,770 --> 02:45:57,611 address our budget deficit 5559 02:45:57,611 --> 02:45:58,110 without burdening us 5560 02:45:58,110 --> 02:45:58,645 the people. 5561 02:45:58,645 --> 02:45:59,379 The less about the deficit 5562 02:45:59,379 --> 02:45:59,779 the city finds itself into less 5563 02:45:59,779 --> 02:46:01,779 of a burden. 5564 02:46:02,115 --> 02:46:02,716 There is on programs and 5565 02:46:02,716 --> 02:46:03,416 services that youth and 5566 02:46:03,416 --> 02:46:03,749 families of San Diego happily 5567 02:46:03,749 --> 02:46:04,384 rely on. 5568 02:46:04,384 --> 02:46:07,384 It is important that this 5569 02:46:07,988 --> 02:46:08,621 decision will ultimately be 5570 02:46:08,621 --> 02:46:08,922 made by the people of San 5571 02:46:08,922 --> 02:46:09,656 Diego. 5572 02:46:09,656 --> 02:46:10,389 You are allowing the process of 5573 02:46:10,389 --> 02:46:12,789 democratic decision rather than 5574 02:46:14,127 --> 02:46:14,961 impeding it. 5575 02:46:14,961 --> 02:46:15,629 >> Please vote yes today to 5576 02:46:15,629 --> 02:46:16,290 move the home tax ballot to 5577 02:46:16,290 --> 02:46:18,290 the ballot. 5578 02:46:21,334 --> 02:46:22,340 Thank you Britta where do you 5579 02:46:22,340 --> 02:46:22,736 have people sitting your time 5580 02:46:22,736 --> 02:46:25,639 if they can please raise their 5581 02:46:25,639 --> 02:46:28,639 hand joyfully and thank you. 5582 02:46:33,790 --> 02:46:33,413 And Elizabeth Kelly, thank you 5583 02:46:33,413 --> 02:46:34,470 so much. 5584 02:46:34,470 --> 02:46:34,514 You'll have three minutes. 5585 02:46:34,514 --> 02:46:34,815 Please proceed. 5586 02:46:34,815 --> 02:46:35,382 Great. 5587 02:46:35,382 --> 02:46:37,382 Hello council members. 5588 02:46:38,385 --> 02:46:39,860 I am in opposition to fiber one 5589 02:46:39,860 --> 02:46:39,719 I would like to focus on 5590 02:46:39,719 --> 02:46:42,119 the legal and operational 5591 02:46:44,240 --> 02:46:44,524 realities of implementing a 5592 02:46:44,524 --> 02:46:45,358 vacancy based tax. 5593 02:46:45,358 --> 02:46:48,958 First of all, how do you 5594 02:46:50,197 --> 02:46:50,931 identify the vacancy? 5595 02:46:50,931 --> 02:46:53,931 Is it utility usage thresholds 5596 02:46:55,402 --> 02:46:56,136 self-reporting, physical 5597 02:46:56,136 --> 02:46:56,770 inspection which presents legal 5598 02:46:56,770 --> 02:46:58,770 and privacy implications? 5599 02:47:01,108 --> 02:47:01,441 Second enforce ment in due 5600 02:47:01,441 --> 02:47:02,175 process. 5601 02:47:02,175 --> 02:47:05,175 Property owners must have clear 5602 02:47:07,180 --> 02:47:07,848 notice standards, appeal rights 5603 02:47:07,848 --> 02:47:08,281 and transparent evidentiary 5604 02:47:08,281 --> 02:47:10,281 requirements. 5605 02:47:12,452 --> 02:47:13,530 Ambiguous definitions increase 5606 02:47:13,530 --> 02:47:13,420 rate disputes and legal 5607 02:47:13,420 --> 02:47:15,420 exposures. 5608 02:47:18,625 --> 02:47:19,359 Third administrative costs. 5609 02:47:19,359 --> 02:47:20,600 These systems typically require 5610 02:47:20,600 --> 02:47:22,600 compliance tracking databases, 5611 02:47:25,199 --> 02:47:25,898 verifications staff audit 5612 02:47:25,898 --> 02:47:26,567 procedures, appeals processing 5613 02:47:26,567 --> 02:47:28,967 and legal defense capacity. 5614 02:47:31,572 --> 02:47:32,306 Also what is the actual 5615 02:47:32,306 --> 02:47:35,306 projected net revenue After all 5616 02:47:37,611 --> 02:47:37,945 these full implementation 5617 02:47:37,945 --> 02:47:38,679 costs? 5618 02:47:38,679 --> 02:47:39,460 I believe it's much lower than 5619 02:47:39,460 --> 02:47:41,460 projected. 5620 02:47:42,682 --> 02:47:43,500 Third excuse me for legal 5621 02:47:43,500 --> 02:47:45,500 exposure. 5622 02:47:48,722 --> 02:47:49,256 Targeting tax structures can 5623 02:47:49,256 --> 02:47:49,923 invite litigation on 5624 02:47:49,923 --> 02:47:50,457 constitutional, statutory or 5625 02:47:50,457 --> 02:47:52,457 procedural grounds. 5626 02:47:55,129 --> 02:47:55,829 Has the city fully assessed 5627 02:47:55,829 --> 02:47:59,429 the litigation risk and a long 5628 02:48:00,667 --> 02:48:01,335 term administrative burden? 5629 02:48:01,335 --> 02:48:02,690 Finally, scalability Once 5630 02:48:02,690 --> 02:48:04,469 created compliance systems tend 5631 02:48:06,640 --> 02:48:07,473 to expand over time. 5632 02:48:07,473 --> 02:48:08,740 This can grow into significant 5633 02:48:08,740 --> 02:48:08,642 regulatory structure and 5634 02:48:08,642 --> 02:48:10,642 financial nightmares. 5635 02:48:13,470 --> 02:48:13,747 So before even voting on 5636 02:48:13,747 --> 02:48:14,448 something like this there must 5637 02:48:14,448 --> 02:48:17,448 be the evidence of enforcement 5638 02:48:18,852 --> 02:48:19,553 methodology, privacy 5639 02:48:19,553 --> 02:48:20,254 safeguards, appeals framework, 5640 02:48:20,254 --> 02:48:22,254 administrative cost estimates 5641 02:48:25,659 --> 02:48:26,260 and net revenue projections and 5642 02:48:26,260 --> 02:48:28,260 measurable affordability 5643 02:48:31,298 --> 02:48:31,966 benchmarks. 5644 02:48:31,966 --> 02:48:32,666 Do not develop and implement 5645 02:48:32,666 --> 02:48:33,660 these processes after it's on 5646 02:48:33,660 --> 02:48:35,660 the ballot. 5647 02:48:37,771 --> 02:48:38,572 That without these processes in 5648 02:48:38,572 --> 02:48:42,172 place our money will once again 5649 02:48:43,210 --> 02:48:43,844 be spent without accountability 5650 02:48:43,844 --> 02:48:44,345 and without reaching your 5651 02:48:44,345 --> 02:48:46,345 stated objectives. 5652 02:48:49,918 --> 02:48:50,223 Please do not create more 5653 02:48:50,223 --> 02:48:50,750 chaos. 5654 02:48:50,750 --> 02:48:51,418 Do the right thing. 5655 02:48:51,418 --> 02:48:52,118 Do not advance this further. 5656 02:48:52,118 --> 02:48:54,518 Your constituents are watching 5657 02:48:55,956 --> 02:48:56,690 how you are voting but I would 5658 02:48:56,690 --> 02:48:57,257 like to just make an additional 5659 02:48:57,257 --> 02:49:00,257 comment and that is I 5660 02:49:01,862 --> 02:49:02,563 completely empathize with 5661 02:49:02,563 --> 02:49:03,230 the people here who are saying 5662 02:49:03,230 --> 02:49:05,630 they cannot afford housing. 5663 02:49:07,568 --> 02:49:08,269 Their work their hard workers 5664 02:49:08,269 --> 02:49:08,969 are smart, They're dedicated. 5665 02:49:08,969 --> 02:49:12,569 They cannot afford It makes no 5666 02:49:13,641 --> 02:49:14,408 sense to me that now being 5667 02:49:14,408 --> 02:49:15,309 built there are to use their 5668 02:49:15,309 --> 02:49:18,909 450ft and they're going to be 5669 02:49:18,913 --> 02:49:19,513 gone for 1714 to $1700 a month. 5670 02:49:19,513 --> 02:49:21,913 Nobody can afford that. 5671 02:49:25,190 --> 02:49:25,352 This is not going to solve that 5672 02:49:25,352 --> 02:49:27,352 problem. 5673 02:49:31,530 --> 02:49:31,228 This is not the answer and it's 5674 02:49:31,228 --> 02:49:31,392 not going to. 5675 02:49:31,392 --> 02:49:31,556 It's going to fail in 5676 02:49:31,556 --> 02:49:31,722 the courts. 5677 02:49:31,722 --> 02:49:31,926 So please let's find an 5678 02:49:31,926 --> 02:49:32,393 accurate solution. 5679 02:49:32,393 --> 02:49:34,393 Let's stop this. 5680 02:49:37,365 --> 02:49:38,132 There's no way I can afford any 5681 02:49:38,132 --> 02:49:38,799 of this housing if I Thank you 5682 02:49:38,799 --> 02:49:41,199 for that concluding comment. 5683 02:49:43,437 --> 02:49:46,437 Shane Pendergrass and the woman 5684 02:49:49,900 --> 02:49:49,710 Shane in the audience. 5685 02:49:49,710 --> 02:49:50,277 Thank you for the opportunity 5686 02:49:50,277 --> 02:49:53,277 to speak to you today. 5687 02:49:55,149 --> 02:49:55,850 My husband and I bought our 5688 02:49:55,850 --> 02:49:56,417 condo here 13 years ago. 5689 02:49:56,417 --> 02:49:56,950 We have children and 5690 02:49:56,950 --> 02:49:58,950 grandchildren here. 5691 02:50:02,890 --> 02:50:02,756 We live in Maryland where I'm a 5692 02:50:02,756 --> 02:50:03,324 retired state legislator and 5693 02:50:03,324 --> 02:50:05,724 that's where we spend 5694 02:50:07,728 --> 02:50:08,562 the majority of our year. 5695 02:50:08,562 --> 02:50:08,863 We're here about 170 days a 5696 02:50:08,863 --> 02:50:09,897 year. 5697 02:50:09,897 --> 02:50:13,701 I get to be a part of my 5698 02:50:13,701 --> 02:50:14,368 grandchildren's lives here and 5699 02:50:14,368 --> 02:50:14,735 my grandchild's life back in 5700 02:50:14,735 --> 02:50:16,735 Maryland. 5701 02:50:19,400 --> 02:50:19,507 i'm very grateful for that. 5702 02:50:19,507 --> 02:50:20,141 We worked hard. 5703 02:50:20,141 --> 02:50:20,508 We both were government 5704 02:50:20,508 --> 02:50:22,508 employees. 5705 02:50:25,479 --> 02:50:26,247 We did not earn enormous 5706 02:50:26,247 --> 02:50:26,913 amounts of money and we spent a 5707 02:50:26,913 --> 02:50:27,682 lot of hours trying to do 5708 02:50:27,682 --> 02:50:31,619 the right thing just as you do. 5709 02:50:31,619 --> 02:50:32,320 I appreciate any consideration 5710 02:50:32,320 --> 02:50:36,520 you can give to people like me 5711 02:50:37,625 --> 02:50:38,191 who want to contribute to our 5712 02:50:38,191 --> 02:50:38,793 grandchildren and our 5713 02:50:38,793 --> 02:50:39,127 children's happiness and 5714 02:50:39,127 --> 02:50:41,127 growth. 5715 02:50:47,769 --> 02:50:48,635 Thank you Brian. 5716 02:50:48,635 --> 02:50:49,370 >> I am from District five and 5717 02:50:49,370 --> 02:50:52,970 I've made several changes to my 5718 02:50:54,308 --> 02:50:54,909 comments based on the opening 5719 02:50:54,909 --> 02:50:55,543 comments that were made. 5720 02:50:55,543 --> 02:50:56,144 The San Francisco case is 5721 02:50:56,144 --> 02:50:58,544 relevant to this measure 5722 02:51:00,682 --> 02:51:01,282 The same constitutional issues 5723 02:51:01,282 --> 02:51:01,616 apply and the Ellis Act 5724 02:51:01,616 --> 02:51:02,283 applies. 5725 02:51:02,283 --> 02:51:04,683 The Berkeley Property Owners 5726 02:51:06,321 --> 02:51:06,888 Association filed an amicus 5727 02:51:06,888 --> 02:51:07,388 brief opposing the San 5728 02:51:07,388 --> 02:51:08,890 Francisco measure. 5729 02:51:08,890 --> 02:51:11,689 They are watching the Court of 5730 02:51:12,726 --> 02:51:13,428 Appeal decision very closely 5731 02:51:13,428 --> 02:51:14,161 and the Court of Appeal agrees 5732 02:51:14,161 --> 02:51:17,161 with the Superior Court ruling. 5733 02:51:17,866 --> 02:51:18,466 They will undoubtedly sue 5734 02:51:18,466 --> 02:51:19,167 the city of Berkeley to 5735 02:51:19,167 --> 02:51:19,868 overturn the measure and they 5736 02:51:19,868 --> 02:51:22,868 are most likely be successful. 5737 02:51:24,539 --> 02:51:25,240 That being the case, don't move 5738 02:51:25,240 --> 02:51:25,807 forward on this measure until 5739 02:51:25,807 --> 02:51:27,807 litigation is settled. 5740 02:51:29,944 --> 02:51:30,645 Otherwise if it's found to be 5741 02:51:30,645 --> 02:51:31,111 illegal you'll have to refund 5742 02:51:31,111 --> 02:51:31,779 taxes collected. 5743 02:51:31,779 --> 02:51:34,779 Exhibit a The Trump Tariffs. 5744 02:51:36,684 --> 02:51:37,719 Remember that? 5745 02:51:37,719 --> 02:51:38,386 I love San Diego and I hate to 5746 02:51:38,386 --> 02:51:41,890 see it making mistake after 5747 02:51:41,890 --> 02:51:41,790 mistake one on one street to 5748 02:51:41,790 --> 02:51:42,524 trash and double park parking. 5749 02:51:42,524 --> 02:51:46,124 Today we have an opportunity to 5750 02:51:47,228 --> 02:51:47,995 prevent another mistake. 5751 02:51:47,995 --> 02:51:48,463 This measure is flawed and 5752 02:51:48,463 --> 02:51:49,130 legally dubious. 5753 02:51:49,130 --> 02:51:49,798 You can't vote away people's 5754 02:51:49,798 --> 02:51:50,131 constitutional rights with a 5755 02:51:50,131 --> 02:51:50,831 ballot. 5756 02:51:50,831 --> 02:51:51,166 Thank you for that concluding 5757 02:51:51,166 --> 02:51:53,166 remark. 5758 02:51:56,304 --> 02:51:57,720 >> Mary. 5759 02:51:57,720 --> 02:52:00,720 This measure is based on 5760 02:52:02,430 --> 02:52:02,644 the assumption that properties 5761 02:52:02,644 --> 02:52:03,345 that don't have a county 5762 02:52:03,345 --> 02:52:03,911 homeowner's exemption and are 5763 02:52:03,911 --> 02:52:06,311 not rented are empty. 5764 02:52:08,515 --> 02:52:09,217 However, some owners no longer 5765 02:52:09,217 --> 02:52:09,884 rent out a second home because 5766 02:52:09,884 --> 02:52:12,884 they maintain and use their 5767 02:52:13,622 --> 02:52:14,423 home to help not only immediate 5768 02:52:14,423 --> 02:52:15,123 family but also an aunt and 5769 02:52:15,123 --> 02:52:15,824 uncle and eastern half of your 5770 02:52:15,824 --> 02:52:18,824 cousin and even close friends 5771 02:52:20,428 --> 02:52:21,290 And they maintain and use a 5772 02:52:21,290 --> 02:52:21,730 second home themselves. 5773 02:52:21,730 --> 02:52:22,264 Examples include during times 5774 02:52:22,264 --> 02:52:24,264 of illness surgery, 5775 02:52:25,867 --> 02:52:26,534 rehabilitation through job 5776 02:52:26,534 --> 02:52:27,135 losses and other calamities 5777 02:52:27,135 --> 02:52:27,735 such as after the fires. 5778 02:52:27,735 --> 02:52:30,735 The amount of taxes and 5779 02:52:33,410 --> 02:52:33,708 substantial gated and arbitrary 5780 02:52:33,708 --> 02:52:34,376 and has been set to motivate 5781 02:52:34,376 --> 02:52:34,776 the rental or indeed sale of 5782 02:52:34,776 --> 02:52:36,776 properties. 5783 02:52:38,279 --> 02:52:38,980 The tax amount is unaffordable 5784 02:52:38,980 --> 02:52:43,180 and for some owners to have to 5785 02:52:44,186 --> 02:52:44,919 rent against their will or 5786 02:52:44,919 --> 02:52:45,454 force to sell their properties 5787 02:52:45,454 --> 02:52:46,121 against their will. 5788 02:52:46,121 --> 02:52:49,721 There hasn't been a study of 5789 02:52:50,191 --> 02:52:51,250 who this tax would affect. 5790 02:52:51,250 --> 02:52:51,727 The people we know who own a 5791 02:52:51,727 --> 02:52:52,327 second home are mostly between 5792 02:52:52,327 --> 02:52:54,727 the ages of 65 and 80. 5793 02:52:56,565 --> 02:52:57,199 Throwing seniors under the bus 5794 02:52:57,199 --> 02:52:57,899 when their properties have 5795 02:52:57,899 --> 02:53:00,299 already started changing hands 5796 02:53:02,471 --> 02:53:02,904 and will continue to change 5797 02:53:02,904 --> 02:53:03,572 hands Anyway. 5798 02:53:03,572 --> 02:53:04,306 Thank you for that Very cool 5799 02:53:04,306 --> 02:53:04,806 and unlawful Thank you for that 5800 02:53:04,806 --> 02:53:06,806 concluding comic. 5801 02:53:08,744 --> 02:53:09,444 Christina Christina Marie Green 5802 02:53:09,444 --> 02:53:10,145 if you can please come forward 5803 02:53:10,145 --> 02:53:13,745 after that will be Ted Womack. 5804 02:53:15,450 --> 02:53:15,917 Liliana Soriano, Claire Snyder. 5805 02:53:15,917 --> 02:53:16,485 Mike Frittelli. 5806 02:53:16,485 --> 02:53:18,753 And then Jason Lopez. 5807 02:53:18,753 --> 02:53:21,323 If you can all please come 5808 02:53:21,323 --> 02:53:23,323 forward. 5809 02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:28,763 Please begin already. 5810 02:53:28,763 --> 02:53:29,397 Good afternoon City Council. 5811 02:53:29,397 --> 02:53:32,397 My name is Christina Marie 5812 02:53:32,734 --> 02:53:33,435 Green, a renter in District 5813 02:53:33,435 --> 02:53:34,102 eight advocate for the aclu of 5814 02:53:34,102 --> 02:53:36,502 Santiago Imperial County and 5815 02:53:38,273 --> 02:53:38,941 the program director of 5816 02:53:38,941 --> 02:53:39,674 the Poverty Project at ucsd 5817 02:53:39,674 --> 02:53:42,740 advocating for housing insecure 5818 02:53:44,346 --> 02:53:45,113 and how students I am in favor 5819 02:53:45,113 --> 02:53:45,814 of the housing that empty house 5820 02:53:45,814 --> 02:53:48,814 homes tax towards owners of 5821 02:53:49,318 --> 02:53:50,180 second, third and more homes. 5822 02:53:50,180 --> 02:53:50,719 As a former student who 5823 02:53:50,719 --> 02:53:53,119 navigated being unhoused couch 5824 02:53:55,324 --> 02:53:56,240 hopping in a housing market 5825 02:53:56,240 --> 02:53:56,792 designed to price students out 5826 02:53:56,792 --> 02:54:00,392 and to price our workers and 5827 02:54:01,290 --> 02:54:01,697 families out, the city of San 5828 02:54:01,697 --> 02:54:02,397 Diego was losing the bright 5829 02:54:02,397 --> 02:54:03,980 minds and leaders met to stay 5830 02:54:03,980 --> 02:54:06,980 and contribute to this amazing 5831 02:54:06,768 --> 02:54:07,436 city during a time where 5832 02:54:07,436 --> 02:54:08,350 federal funding is being cut 5833 02:54:08,350 --> 02:54:10,435 from vital programs and 5834 02:54:12,141 --> 02:54:12,874 the greed of homeowners who 5835 02:54:12,874 --> 02:54:13,274 continue to escape paying their 5836 02:54:13,274 --> 02:54:13,909 fair share. 5837 02:54:13,909 --> 02:54:16,309 It's time to redistribute 5838 02:54:18,814 --> 02:54:19,448 housing availability and punish 5839 02:54:19,448 --> 02:54:20,148 those who continue to make 5840 02:54:20,148 --> 02:54:20,849 the housing market unbearable, 5841 02:54:20,849 --> 02:54:22,849 inaccessible and monopolized. 5842 02:54:24,552 --> 02:54:24,853 Thank you so much for your 5843 02:54:24,853 --> 02:54:25,521 time. 5844 02:54:25,521 --> 02:54:26,550 >> And vote in favor of 5845 02:54:26,550 --> 02:54:26,554 the empty homes tax. 5846 02:54:26,554 --> 02:54:27,220 Thank you so much. 5847 02:54:27,220 --> 02:54:29,220 Thank you, Ted. 5848 02:54:36,799 --> 02:54:37,666 Woman. 5849 02:54:37,666 --> 02:54:37,967 >> Hey, how are you doing 5850 02:54:37,967 --> 02:54:38,600 today? 5851 02:54:38,600 --> 02:54:39,135 i'm I'm here in support of 5852 02:54:39,135 --> 02:54:41,535 the empty homes tax. 5853 02:54:42,438 --> 02:54:43,105 I grew up in 84 where my 5854 02:54:43,105 --> 02:54:43,672 grandfather was a homeowner 5855 02:54:43,672 --> 02:54:46,720 before he passed away. 5856 02:54:49,450 --> 02:54:49,679 He taught me the strategy and 5857 02:54:49,679 --> 02:54:50,346 the steps about, you know, 5858 02:54:50,346 --> 02:54:51,460 growing up and getting into 5859 02:54:51,460 --> 02:54:51,747 those things of owning a home. 5860 02:54:51,747 --> 02:54:54,147 Unfortunately today like those 5861 02:54:54,617 --> 02:54:55,150 steps and that strategy is not 5862 02:54:55,150 --> 02:54:55,818 possible because of 5863 02:54:55,818 --> 02:54:56,318 affordability, affordability 5864 02:54:56,318 --> 02:54:58,318 and availability. 5865 02:55:01,389 --> 02:55:02,910 And you know, there's a lot of 5866 02:55:02,910 --> 02:55:02,758 things that are said by folks 5867 02:55:02,758 --> 02:55:03,425 who do own different homes. 5868 02:55:03,425 --> 02:55:04,159 But my question to all those 5869 02:55:04,159 --> 02:55:07,395 folks is why don't we deserve a 5870 02:55:07,395 --> 02:55:08,300 chance to buy a home ourselves? 5871 02:55:08,300 --> 02:55:08,764 There's a lot of different 5872 02:55:08,764 --> 02:55:12,364 factors in why people can't buy 5873 02:55:12,868 --> 02:55:13,569 homes ready talked about cost 5874 02:55:13,569 --> 02:55:14,236 of living where you talk about 5875 02:55:14,236 --> 02:55:14,736 how much you get paid versus 5876 02:55:14,736 --> 02:55:15,571 how much that is. 5877 02:55:15,571 --> 02:55:19,541 But you know, we hear a lot of 5878 02:55:19,541 --> 02:55:20,740 people say that we need to do 5879 02:55:20,740 --> 02:55:20,675 things for retirees. 5880 02:55:20,675 --> 02:55:21,750 We need to do things for 5881 02:55:21,750 --> 02:55:21,744 the revenue. 5882 02:55:21,744 --> 02:55:22,277 We need to do things for all 5883 02:55:22,277 --> 02:55:24,277 these other people. 5884 02:55:25,213 --> 02:55:26,810 But what about real San Diego? 5885 02:55:26,810 --> 02:55:26,816 You know, I want to have an 5886 02:55:26,816 --> 02:55:27,483 opportunity to invite my family 5887 02:55:27,483 --> 02:55:27,783 over from out of town to my 5888 02:55:27,783 --> 02:55:29,783 home. 5889 02:55:30,486 --> 02:55:31,220 I want to have an opportunity 5890 02:55:31,220 --> 02:55:31,954 to maybe even games I can hold 5891 02:55:31,954 --> 02:55:32,388 myself But at the moment that's 5892 02:55:32,388 --> 02:55:34,388 not possible. 5893 02:55:36,592 --> 02:55:37,293 So can we have the opportunity 5894 02:55:37,293 --> 02:55:37,960 to gain one home for ourselves 5895 02:55:37,960 --> 02:55:38,694 before we start saying this? 5896 02:55:38,694 --> 02:55:42,294 You know, thank you but I 5897 02:55:45,201 --> 02:55:45,968 completely comment Lily on it. 5898 02:55:45,968 --> 02:55:48,368 Good afternoon council members. 5899 02:55:52,441 --> 02:55:52,751 I am the Director of policy at 5900 02:55:52,751 --> 02:55:53,509 Youth. 5901 02:55:53,509 --> 02:55:54,143 Well that item before you is an 5902 02:55:54,143 --> 02:55:54,676 important step to address 5903 02:55:54,676 --> 02:55:55,378 the budget deficit. 5904 02:55:55,378 --> 02:55:57,980 Young people for the past few 5905 02:55:57,980 --> 02:55:58,714 budget cycles have not been a 5906 02:55:58,714 --> 02:55:59,348 priority in many of your memos. 5907 02:55:59,348 --> 02:56:02,348 Many of our youth members 5908 02:56:03,653 --> 02:56:04,387 continue to express their own 5909 02:56:04,387 --> 02:56:05,870 and their families inability to 5910 02:56:05,870 --> 02:56:08,687 keep a roof over their heads. 5911 02:56:09,292 --> 02:56:09,658 Meanwhile, around 5140 homes 5912 02:56:09,658 --> 02:56:10,326 are empty. 5913 02:56:10,326 --> 02:56:13,326 Cost of living continues to 5914 02:56:14,230 --> 02:56:14,930 rise and services meant to be 5915 02:56:14,930 --> 02:56:15,631 safety net before their eyes 5916 02:56:15,631 --> 02:56:16,650 disappear as a community based 5917 02:56:16,650 --> 02:56:18,650 organization. 5918 02:56:20,835 --> 02:56:21,537 We strongly support this fair 5919 02:56:21,537 --> 02:56:22,238 approach to reduce anticipated 5920 02:56:22,238 --> 02:56:25,238 impacts to real public safety 5921 02:56:26,742 --> 02:56:27,176 programs and services utilized 5922 02:56:27,176 --> 02:56:27,810 by many youth. 5923 02:56:27,810 --> 02:56:28,477 Please vote yes and let 5924 02:56:28,477 --> 02:56:32,770 the voters decide to move or 5925 02:56:32,548 --> 02:56:33,249 not move this tax forward 5926 02:56:33,249 --> 02:56:33,916 because many of the residents 5927 02:56:33,916 --> 02:56:34,617 will not be impacted by this 5928 02:56:34,617 --> 02:56:38,817 and the people in this room do 5929 02:56:39,550 --> 02:56:39,689 not represent the entire U.S. 5930 02:56:39,689 --> 02:56:40,255 Especially those that are 5931 02:56:40,255 --> 02:56:40,622 against this proposal. 5932 02:56:40,622 --> 02:56:42,622 Thank you. 5933 02:56:44,560 --> 02:56:45,227 Thank you, Claire Snyder. 5934 02:56:45,227 --> 02:56:45,728 Good afternoon, counsel. 5935 02:56:45,728 --> 02:56:48,128 My name is Claire. 5936 02:56:50,600 --> 02:56:51,266 I am with youth. 5937 02:56:51,266 --> 02:56:51,968 Well, I'm a resident of 5938 02:56:51,968 --> 02:56:52,301 District three and I'm also a 5939 02:56:52,301 --> 02:56:53,102 renter. 5940 02:56:53,102 --> 02:56:56,705 I just want to make it very 5941 02:56:56,705 --> 02:56:57,473 clear that if you can afford to 5942 02:56:57,473 --> 02:57:01,673 home afford a home that can sit 5943 02:57:01,811 --> 02:57:02,578 and you are much more well-off 5944 02:57:02,578 --> 02:57:03,279 than anybody in San Diego, I'm 5945 02:57:03,279 --> 02:57:03,579 a renter but paying rent is 5946 02:57:03,579 --> 02:57:05,579 fine. 5947 02:57:08,384 --> 02:57:09,850 Kind of but like I can afford 5948 02:57:09,850 --> 02:57:09,719 it and I feel comfortable with 5949 02:57:09,719 --> 02:57:13,319 that But that so me being 5950 02:57:13,456 --> 02:57:14,256 comfortable that means that 5951 02:57:14,256 --> 02:57:14,891 other people who can afford all 5952 02:57:14,891 --> 02:57:15,558 these homes are much more 5953 02:57:15,558 --> 02:57:18,558 well-off and other people in 5954 02:57:19,329 --> 02:57:20,620 San Diego deserve 5955 02:57:20,620 --> 02:57:20,830 the opportunity and the chance 5956 02:57:20,830 --> 02:57:21,531 to be able to own a home and 5957 02:57:21,531 --> 02:57:25,731 not have it be a dream that 5958 02:57:25,802 --> 02:57:26,569 maybe they can afford a home 5959 02:57:26,569 --> 02:57:27,636 when they're near dead at 85. 5960 02:57:27,636 --> 02:57:31,774 It should be a reality for us 5961 02:57:31,774 --> 02:57:32,375 now and I think that we should 5962 02:57:32,375 --> 02:57:33,420 give this opportunity to 5963 02:57:33,420 --> 02:57:37,242 the rest of San Diego to be 5964 02:57:37,313 --> 02:57:38,470 able to vote on this matter in 5965 02:57:38,470 --> 02:57:38,982 San Diego to make the decision. 5966 02:57:38,982 --> 02:57:40,416 So I urge you to move this 5967 02:57:40,416 --> 02:57:42,416 forward. 5968 02:57:47,256 --> 02:57:47,790 >> Thank you, Mike. 5969 02:57:47,790 --> 02:57:49,790 >> Good afternoon. 5970 02:57:51,794 --> 02:57:52,428 Mike Patel District six. 5971 02:57:52,428 --> 02:57:53,950 I'm speaking in opposition 5972 02:57:53,950 --> 02:57:55,495 because there's three major 5973 02:57:57,500 --> 02:57:57,800 problems with this proposed tax 5974 02:57:57,800 --> 02:57:58,568 . 5975 02:57:58,568 --> 02:57:59,269 One it MAY not help the city 5976 02:57:59,269 --> 02:58:00,300 financially in the absence of 5977 02:58:00,300 --> 02:58:02,403 budget budgetary reform there's 5978 02:58:03,707 --> 02:58:04,407 no guarantee the additional 5979 02:58:04,407 --> 02:58:05,740 revenue is to the extent that 5980 02:58:05,740 --> 02:58:05,742 there is additional revenue 5981 02:58:05,742 --> 02:58:06,342 would go to public safety or 5982 02:58:06,342 --> 02:58:08,342 critical infrastructure 5983 02:58:10,246 --> 02:58:11,140 maintenance. 5984 02:58:11,140 --> 02:58:11,748 Two it probably won't make that 5985 02:58:11,748 --> 02:58:12,348 much of a difference makes me a 5986 02:58:12,348 --> 02:58:14,348 target more affordable. 5987 02:58:14,951 --> 02:58:15,585 There are 1.5 million people in 5988 02:58:15,585 --> 02:58:16,419 this city Focusing on 5000 5989 02:58:16,419 --> 02:58:20,190 units is little more than a 5990 02:58:21,224 --> 02:58:21,925 distraction. 5991 02:58:21,925 --> 02:58:22,558 Three And most importantly it 5992 02:58:22,558 --> 02:58:23,160 will create what has been 5993 02:58:23,160 --> 02:58:26,160 referred to as an audit 5994 02:58:26,763 --> 02:58:27,631 industrial complex. 5995 02:58:27,631 --> 02:58:28,331 The idea has noted and I quote 5996 02:58:28,331 --> 02:58:28,932 the magnitude of the proposed 5997 02:58:28,932 --> 02:58:31,332 tax will incentivize tax 5998 02:58:33,571 --> 02:58:34,137 avoidance given that the city 5999 02:58:34,137 --> 02:58:34,738 will use and I quote 6000 02:58:34,738 --> 02:58:37,138 flexibility to adapt to 6001 02:58:38,808 --> 02:58:39,209 identify such avoidance is not 6002 02:58:39,209 --> 02:58:39,776 reassuring. 6003 02:58:39,776 --> 02:58:40,410 As a consequence, all 6004 02:58:40,410 --> 02:58:42,810 homeowners be burdened by 6005 02:58:45,148 --> 02:58:45,849 the possibility of an extensive 6006 02:58:45,849 --> 02:58:46,449 and unaccountable monitoring 6007 02:58:46,449 --> 02:58:47,150 and enforcement regime. 6008 02:58:47,150 --> 02:58:47,751 Proving that you own your own 6009 02:58:47,751 --> 02:58:50,751 house should not be more 6010 02:58:51,655 --> 02:58:52,255 complicated than getting 6011 02:58:52,255 --> 02:58:52,923 parking at the ballpark. 6012 02:58:52,923 --> 02:58:53,457 Thank you very much for that 6013 02:58:53,457 --> 02:58:55,457 concluding comment. 6014 02:58:58,495 --> 02:58:59,262 Jason Lopez. 6015 02:58:59,262 --> 02:58:59,896 After that it will be Paul 6016 02:58:59,896 --> 02:59:02,296 Kruger and Thurman Estrada 6017 02:59:03,734 --> 02:59:04,167 Kevin Ben. 6018 02:59:04,167 --> 02:59:04,601 Conor Robbins. 6019 02:59:04,601 --> 02:59:05,680 Grace Jimenez. 6020 02:59:05,680 --> 02:59:05,668 Please proceed. 6021 02:59:05,668 --> 02:59:07,668 Good afternoon, counsel. 6022 02:59:09,706 --> 02:59:10,406 I'm just Lopez and I'm here to 6023 02:59:10,406 --> 02:59:10,740 speak in opposition of the tax 6024 02:59:10,740 --> 02:59:11,474 measure. 6025 02:59:11,474 --> 02:59:14,244 I have the privilege of serving 6026 02:59:14,244 --> 02:59:14,811 as the 2020 PRESIDENT Of 6027 02:59:14,811 --> 02:59:15,545 the Pacific Southwest 6028 02:59:15,545 --> 02:59:16,179 Association of Realtors here in 6029 02:59:16,179 --> 02:59:19,179 San Diego and I currently 6030 02:59:19,616 --> 02:59:20,217 serves on the board of 6031 02:59:20,217 --> 02:59:20,917 directors and executive 6032 02:59:20,917 --> 02:59:21,517 committee with the California 6033 02:59:21,517 --> 02:59:23,517 Association of Realtors. 6034 02:59:25,789 --> 02:59:26,490 Our members represent tens of 6035 02:59:26,490 --> 02:59:27,156 thousands of homeowners in San 6036 02:59:27,156 --> 02:59:27,590 Diego who also oppose moving 6037 02:59:27,590 --> 02:59:29,590 this forward. 6038 02:59:31,294 --> 02:59:32,290 I've often said that 6039 02:59:32,290 --> 02:59:32,529 the association's exists for a 6040 02:59:32,529 --> 02:59:33,163 couple of reasons. 6041 02:59:33,163 --> 02:59:33,864 Among those are to protect 6042 02:59:33,864 --> 02:59:36,864 private property rights and to 6043 02:59:37,467 --> 02:59:37,901 promote homeownership 6044 02:59:37,901 --> 02:59:38,634 opportunities. 6045 02:59:38,634 --> 02:59:39,202 This measure would impact those 6046 02:59:39,202 --> 02:59:41,202 negatively by putting 6047 02:59:43,674 --> 02:59:44,374 the burden on homeowners to 6048 02:59:44,374 --> 02:59:45,800 document their occupancy when 6049 02:59:45,800 --> 02:59:48,608 they MAY not have need to. 6050 02:59:49,746 --> 02:59:50,447 So we speak in opposition to 6051 02:59:50,447 --> 02:59:51,470 this and would ask that you 6052 02:59:51,470 --> 02:59:51,681 work in partnership with 6053 02:59:51,681 --> 02:59:54,810 the associations and other 6054 02:59:55,318 --> 02:59:56,190 local housing advocacy groups 6055 02:59:56,190 --> 02:59:56,453 to come up with real solutions 6056 02:59:56,453 --> 02:59:56,820 for San Diego. 6057 02:59:56,820 --> 02:59:57,187 Thank you. 6058 02:59:57,187 --> 02:59:59,187 Thank you. 6059 03:00:01,225 --> 03:00:02,192 Paul Krueger. 6060 03:00:02,192 --> 03:00:05,792 >> I know you have something to 6061 03:00:07,970 --> 03:00:08,310 share so we'll get that up. 6062 03:00:08,310 --> 03:00:08,732 >> What I'm going to show you 6063 03:00:08,732 --> 03:00:11,732 is just two paragraphs from 6064 03:00:13,270 --> 03:00:13,937 the Union-Tribune editorial. 6065 03:00:13,937 --> 03:00:14,604 It's not the voters who are 6066 03:00:14,604 --> 03:00:17,604 going to decide this issue. 6067 03:00:18,575 --> 03:00:19,209 It's the courts And the San 6068 03:00:19,209 --> 03:00:21,609 Francisco vacancy tax was 6069 03:00:23,814 --> 03:00:24,514 struck down in the most 6070 03:00:24,514 --> 03:00:25,249 forceful way possible which is 6071 03:00:25,249 --> 03:00:28,849 that the court said there's not 6072 03:00:29,520 --> 03:00:29,886 even enough argument to take it 6073 03:00:29,886 --> 03:00:30,621 to trial. 6074 03:00:30,621 --> 03:00:33,621 Berkeley has not gotten an 6075 03:00:35,580 --> 03:00:35,725 exemption from court review. 6076 03:00:35,725 --> 03:00:38,725 There is no indication that 6077 03:00:41,980 --> 03:00:41,765 the Berkeley vacancy tax will 6078 03:00:41,765 --> 03:00:42,499 ever be held to be legal 6079 03:00:42,499 --> 03:00:45,499 because the landlords there are 6080 03:00:47,304 --> 03:00:47,605 simply holding off their filing 6081 03:00:47,605 --> 03:00:48,305 . 6082 03:00:48,305 --> 03:00:48,605 The gentleman noted an amicus 6083 03:00:48,605 --> 03:00:50,605 brief. 6084 03:00:52,910 --> 03:00:53,577 If you think that this Supreme 6085 03:00:53,577 --> 03:00:54,311 Court of California and more 6086 03:00:54,311 --> 03:00:57,911 the Supreme Court of the United 6087 03:00:58,616 --> 03:00:59,315 States is going to back a 6088 03:00:59,315 --> 03:00:59,583 vacancy tax, you know they're 6089 03:00:59,583 --> 03:01:00,251 not. 6090 03:01:00,251 --> 03:01:03,251 Please don't rush into this. 6091 03:01:03,787 --> 03:01:04,288 And more importantly, please 6092 03:01:04,288 --> 03:01:06,688 listen to the aba. 6093 03:01:10,594 --> 03:01:11,228 Those figures conflict greatly 6094 03:01:11,228 --> 03:01:11,929 with what you're hearing. 6095 03:01:11,929 --> 03:01:12,263 >> Thank you for that complete 6096 03:01:12,263 --> 03:01:14,263 comment. 6097 03:01:16,100 --> 03:01:16,700 I'm sorry my brother. 6098 03:01:16,700 --> 03:01:18,700 Good afternoon, counsel. 6099 03:01:21,872 --> 03:01:22,206 My name is Anselmo Jake Estrada 6100 03:01:22,206 --> 03:01:22,907 Estrada. 6101 03:01:22,907 --> 03:01:23,541 i am the clinical director for 6102 03:01:23,541 --> 03:01:25,941 the San Diego Construction 6103 03:01:27,144 --> 03:01:27,844 Trades Council. 6104 03:01:27,844 --> 03:01:28,145 You know, working people work 6105 03:01:28,145 --> 03:01:30,145 hard. 6106 03:01:31,715 --> 03:01:32,416 It's literally in the name 6107 03:01:32,416 --> 03:01:33,116 every day by every definable 6108 03:01:33,116 --> 03:01:33,684 measure, every metric that we 6109 03:01:33,684 --> 03:01:36,684 can we can speak to. 6110 03:01:37,888 --> 03:01:38,522 They've been what we've been 6111 03:01:38,522 --> 03:01:41,522 left behind at every step, 6112 03:01:43,494 --> 03:01:44,128 every single benchmark like key 6113 03:01:44,128 --> 03:01:46,528 point health care housing. 6114 03:01:48,500 --> 03:01:49,199 Today like every day working in 6115 03:01:49,199 --> 03:01:49,900 San Diegans or waking up and 6116 03:01:49,900 --> 03:01:52,900 wondering how they're going to 6117 03:01:53,837 --> 03:01:54,471 afford to buy a home, whether 6118 03:01:54,471 --> 03:01:55,172 wondering whether they can 6119 03:01:55,172 --> 03:01:58,172 afford to expand their family 6120 03:01:59,844 --> 03:02:00,144 have a kid and right now they 6121 03:02:00,144 --> 03:02:00,811 can't. 6122 03:02:00,811 --> 03:02:01,512 So this is actually the only 6123 03:02:01,512 --> 03:02:04,512 revenue measure that we might 6124 03:02:05,950 --> 03:02:06,716 be able to have before working 6125 03:02:06,716 --> 03:02:07,418 in San Diego And and the only 6126 03:02:07,418 --> 03:02:10,418 one of the only opportunities 6127 03:02:10,754 --> 03:02:11,288 that we have to actually put 6128 03:02:11,288 --> 03:02:11,689 housing out there on 6129 03:02:11,689 --> 03:02:12,390 the market. 6130 03:02:12,390 --> 03:02:12,823 I'm asking you to please move 6131 03:02:12,823 --> 03:02:13,457 this forward. 6132 03:02:13,457 --> 03:02:16,861 Please give us a chance to 6133 03:02:16,861 --> 03:02:17,528 actually have the housing that 6134 03:02:17,528 --> 03:02:17,929 we've all been talking about 6135 03:02:17,929 --> 03:02:19,929 for decades. 6136 03:02:22,320 --> 03:02:22,466 >> Thank you, Kevin. 6137 03:02:22,466 --> 03:02:24,466 Good evening. 6138 03:02:28,539 --> 03:02:29,140 Council My name is Kevin Vino. 6139 03:02:29,140 --> 03:02:29,874 I'm the housing justice 6140 03:02:29,874 --> 03:02:30,474 director at our Times Act where 6141 03:02:30,474 --> 03:02:32,874 a youth based nonprofit 6142 03:02:33,978 --> 03:02:34,512 fighting for housing justice 6143 03:02:34,512 --> 03:02:35,246 here in San Diego. 6144 03:02:35,246 --> 03:02:38,846 So the average home price right 6145 03:02:38,950 --> 03:02:39,283 now in San Diego is around $1 6146 03:02:39,283 --> 03:02:40,170 million. 6147 03:02:40,170 --> 03:02:40,718 So if people have the luxury to 6148 03:02:40,718 --> 03:02:44,188 have two of these they're not 6149 03:02:44,188 --> 03:02:44,888 just a millionaire but by 6150 03:02:44,888 --> 03:02:46,888 definition a multimillionaire 6151 03:02:48,392 --> 03:02:49,159 On average when the average San 6152 03:02:49,159 --> 03:02:49,560 Diego can't even afford one of 6153 03:02:49,560 --> 03:02:50,261 these homes. 6154 03:02:50,261 --> 03:02:53,261 So I really appreciate Sean's 6155 03:02:53,464 --> 03:02:54,232 office for bringing this as a 6156 03:02:54,232 --> 03:02:54,932 tax because we are sick and 6157 03:02:54,932 --> 03:02:57,932 tired of having taxes that 6158 03:02:59,570 --> 03:03:00,238 target lower income and middle 6159 03:03:00,238 --> 03:03:00,971 class San Diego And this is 6160 03:03:00,971 --> 03:03:03,971 primarily going to be affecting 6161 03:03:04,709 --> 03:03:05,543 people who can afford this tax. 6162 03:03:05,543 --> 03:03:08,543 So I strongly advocate urged 6163 03:03:10,581 --> 03:03:11,349 council to bring this to 6164 03:03:11,349 --> 03:03:12,500 the ballot and so that we as 6165 03:03:12,500 --> 03:03:12,483 San Diegans can vote on this. 6166 03:03:12,483 --> 03:03:14,483 Thank you. 6167 03:03:18,522 --> 03:03:19,156 Thank you, Conor Robbins. 6168 03:03:19,156 --> 03:03:21,156 >> Good afternoon. 6169 03:03:23,695 --> 03:03:24,495 City Council. 6170 03:03:24,495 --> 03:03:27,495 I'm Conor Robbins, the chief 6171 03:03:28,166 --> 03:03:28,732 steward for Teamsters Local 96 6172 03:03:28,732 --> 03:03:29,133 representing San Diego 6173 03:03:29,133 --> 03:03:29,767 Lifeguards. 6174 03:03:29,767 --> 03:03:32,767 We're in strong support of 6175 03:03:33,604 --> 03:03:34,305 the anti home tax and I 6176 03:03:34,305 --> 03:03:35,600 appreciate Councilmember De La 6177 03:03:35,600 --> 03:03:35,340 Rivera for bringing this item 6178 03:03:35,340 --> 03:03:37,340 forward. 6179 03:03:39,544 --> 03:03:40,245 I hear from my members all 6180 03:03:40,245 --> 03:03:41,780 the time about how hard it is 6181 03:03:41,780 --> 03:03:44,582 to live in San Diego and this 6182 03:03:44,582 --> 03:03:44,983 is largely because of the cost 6183 03:03:44,983 --> 03:03:45,750 of housing. 6184 03:03:45,750 --> 03:03:48,750 This tax supports our members 6185 03:03:49,721 --> 03:03:50,355 ability to build a stable 6186 03:03:50,355 --> 03:03:51,220 future here in San Diego. 6187 03:03:51,220 --> 03:03:54,220 That's why we support this. 6188 03:03:56,600 --> 03:03:56,694 Thank you all for considering 6189 03:03:56,694 --> 03:03:56,994 and we hope you'll vote in 6190 03:03:56,994 --> 03:03:58,994 favor. 6191 03:04:00,465 --> 03:04:01,265 >> Thank you Grace Rock a few 6192 03:04:01,265 --> 03:04:04,865 minutes after that if I can 6193 03:04:06,805 --> 03:04:07,505 have Patrick for your heart You 6194 03:04:07,505 --> 03:04:09,905 My apologies Jonathan Rain 6195 03:04:12,110 --> 03:04:12,844 Carmen Penaloza, Valdez and 6196 03:04:12,844 --> 03:04:13,178 Ramsey's If you can please come 6197 03:04:13,178 --> 03:04:13,845 forward. 6198 03:04:13,845 --> 03:04:14,578 These are our last speakers 6199 03:04:14,578 --> 03:04:17,578 here in council chambers before 6200 03:04:20,718 --> 03:04:21,553 we go virtual please proceed. 6201 03:04:21,553 --> 03:04:22,187 My name is Grace Minutes and I 6202 03:04:22,187 --> 03:04:22,487 was born and raised in San 6203 03:04:22,487 --> 03:04:24,487 Diego. 6204 03:04:25,756 --> 03:04:26,724 Kumi I territory. 6205 03:04:26,724 --> 03:04:27,358 I'm a member of a's Alliance of 6206 03:04:27,358 --> 03:04:29,358 Californians for Community 6207 03:04:31,363 --> 03:04:32,630 Empowerment and Infant for cpi 6208 03:04:32,630 --> 03:04:34,463 Students for Economic Justice 6209 03:04:35,567 --> 03:04:36,267 and a Renter for District four. 6210 03:04:36,267 --> 03:04:37,102 I'm here to support the empty 6211 03:04:37,102 --> 03:04:40,702 home tax ballot measure Bake at 6212 03:04:41,639 --> 03:04:42,340 Home should not be left to sit 6213 03:04:42,340 --> 03:04:45,940 and stale for months when so 6214 03:04:46,100 --> 03:04:46,745 many of our communities are in 6215 03:04:46,745 --> 03:04:49,745 danger of becoming houseless or 6216 03:04:51,149 --> 03:04:51,916 already are houseless If these 6217 03:04:51,916 --> 03:04:52,650 homes were to open up and be 6218 03:04:52,650 --> 03:04:55,650 made more affordable to renters 6219 03:04:56,788 --> 03:04:57,522 it will help with safety to our 6220 03:04:57,522 --> 03:04:58,156 San Diego residents and prevent 6221 03:04:58,156 --> 03:05:00,156 displacement to families. 6222 03:05:01,526 --> 03:05:02,127 The taxation of empty homes 6223 03:05:02,127 --> 03:05:02,793 will ensure much needed 6224 03:05:02,793 --> 03:05:04,793 investment on infrastructure 6225 03:05:06,597 --> 03:05:06,965 and services for the people of 6226 03:05:06,965 --> 03:05:07,699 San Diego. 6227 03:05:07,699 --> 03:05:08,667 I also do not give consent of 6228 03:05:08,667 --> 03:05:11,870 my tax dollars to be used for 6229 03:05:11,870 --> 03:05:12,604 Israel's genocide on Palestine 6230 03:05:12,604 --> 03:05:16,204 nor the terrorist group ice who 6231 03:05:17,800 --> 03:05:17,741 are attacking our people. 6232 03:05:17,741 --> 03:05:20,141 >> Invest in affordable housing 6233 03:05:23,415 --> 03:05:24,115 for everyone not unjust wars. 6234 03:05:24,115 --> 03:05:26,515 >> Patrick for Crane Friedman 6235 03:05:26,852 --> 03:05:27,352 is sitting in a time You'll 6236 03:05:27,352 --> 03:05:27,886 have two minutes. 6237 03:05:27,886 --> 03:05:29,886 >> Please proceed. 6238 03:05:31,789 --> 03:05:32,390 Council PRESIDENT LaCava 6239 03:05:32,390 --> 03:05:33,910 distinguished members of 6240 03:05:33,910 --> 03:05:33,692 council members of public here 6241 03:05:33,692 --> 03:05:37,292 today to talk My name is 6242 03:05:37,396 --> 03:05:38,290 Patrick Ferrier Straight day 6243 03:05:38,290 --> 03:05:38,764 Director of San Diego City 6244 03:05:38,764 --> 03:05:41,164 Firefighters Local 145 I'm here 6245 03:05:42,868 --> 03:05:43,434 today to speak in favor look at 6246 03:05:43,434 --> 03:05:44,169 145 I was disappointed 6247 03:05:44,169 --> 03:05:44,436 the initial version didn't make 6248 03:05:44,436 --> 03:05:46,436 it. 6249 03:05:48,240 --> 03:05:48,840 The Rules Committee However we 6250 03:05:48,840 --> 03:05:49,508 are in strong support of 6251 03:05:49,508 --> 03:05:52,508 the initiative as it stands 6252 03:05:52,777 --> 03:05:53,545 before the full council today. 6253 03:05:53,545 --> 03:05:54,278 I thank you Council member 6254 03:05:54,278 --> 03:05:54,946 Yellow River for your hard work 6255 03:05:54,946 --> 03:05:55,513 and your dedication to bring 6256 03:05:55,513 --> 03:05:57,513 affordable housing to 6257 03:05:58,115 --> 03:05:58,817 the firefighters and 6258 03:05:58,817 --> 03:05:59,116 the citizens of the San Diego 6259 03:05:59,116 --> 03:05:59,751 City. 6260 03:05:59,751 --> 03:06:02,751 >> They all deserve a good 6261 03:06:02,821 --> 03:06:03,688 place to live. 6262 03:06:03,688 --> 03:06:04,389 I want to talk a little bit 6263 03:06:04,389 --> 03:06:06,789 about our firefighters though. 6264 03:06:07,893 --> 03:06:08,559 We have some of the bravest, 6265 03:06:08,559 --> 03:06:09,227 the finest and most selfless 6266 03:06:09,227 --> 03:06:09,528 people you're ever going to 6267 03:06:09,528 --> 03:06:10,229 meet. 6268 03:06:10,229 --> 03:06:13,832 They took an oath to lay their 6269 03:06:13,832 --> 03:06:14,466 lives down for any one of us in 6270 03:06:14,466 --> 03:06:15,660 this building here today. 6271 03:06:15,660 --> 03:06:17,660 But they're exasperated. 6272 03:06:18,670 --> 03:06:19,404 The inability to afford a home 6273 03:06:19,404 --> 03:06:20,720 within the city limits has left 6274 03:06:20,720 --> 03:06:23,720 them grasping at straws and 6275 03:06:23,544 --> 03:06:24,800 frustrated and they bring their 6276 03:06:24,800 --> 03:06:24,710 concerns to us. 6277 03:06:24,710 --> 03:06:27,710 Now they're commuting from out 6278 03:06:28,313 --> 03:06:28,981 of state, out of county, 6279 03:06:28,981 --> 03:06:31,981 sometimes out of the country 6280 03:06:33,452 --> 03:06:34,353 and it leaves them exhausted. 6281 03:06:34,353 --> 03:06:34,820 I want to put you into a 6282 03:06:34,820 --> 03:06:36,820 situation here. 6283 03:06:37,790 --> 03:06:38,323 Imagine you're up all night in 6284 03:06:38,323 --> 03:06:38,891 our fine city. 6285 03:06:38,891 --> 03:06:39,725 You're going to fires. 6286 03:06:39,725 --> 03:06:43,228 You're taking care of our most 6287 03:06:43,228 --> 03:06:43,929 vulnerable populations and 6288 03:06:43,929 --> 03:06:44,363 you're giving the best service 6289 03:06:44,363 --> 03:06:46,363 that you can. 6290 03:06:47,499 --> 03:06:47,900 Then you drive 2 to 4 hours to 6291 03:06:47,900 --> 03:06:48,600 your house. 6292 03:06:48,600 --> 03:06:52,200 Imagine trying to be a good 6293 03:06:52,271 --> 03:06:52,804 parent, a good spouse or just 6294 03:06:52,804 --> 03:06:53,472 enjoy your time off. 6295 03:06:53,472 --> 03:06:55,872 Now whether this initiative 6296 03:06:57,510 --> 03:06:57,876 brings revenue frees up homes 6297 03:06:57,876 --> 03:06:58,710 are both. 6298 03:06:58,710 --> 03:07:02,310 It's a win to the firefighters 6299 03:07:02,581 --> 03:07:02,881 and the citizens of this great 6300 03:07:02,881 --> 03:07:03,649 city. 6301 03:07:03,649 --> 03:07:04,450 i urge you to please move this 6302 03:07:04,450 --> 03:07:05,417 forward to the voters to decide 6303 03:07:05,417 --> 03:07:09,617 and I thank you very much for 6304 03:07:13,792 --> 03:07:14,930 your time today Jonathan Right 6305 03:07:14,930 --> 03:07:16,930 . 6306 03:07:18,964 --> 03:07:19,265 Hi and thank you for doing this 6307 03:07:19,265 --> 03:07:20,320 . 6308 03:07:20,320 --> 03:07:20,332 I just turned 62 on FEBRUARY 6309 03:07:20,332 --> 03:07:21,330 26th. 6310 03:07:21,330 --> 03:07:24,330 I currently live in an 6311 03:07:24,436 --> 03:07:25,104 affordable housing building for 6312 03:07:25,104 --> 03:07:25,971 age 55 plus which actually I 6313 03:07:25,971 --> 03:07:29,571 converted to a hotel with no 6314 03:07:29,775 --> 03:07:30,309 kitchen run by the San Diego 6315 03:07:30,309 --> 03:07:32,309 Housing Commission. 6316 03:07:34,513 --> 03:07:35,381 I cannot legit I cannot find 6317 03:07:35,381 --> 03:07:38,381 legit housing living on Social 6318 03:07:38,884 --> 03:07:41,284 Security at three $1,350 per 6319 03:07:43,422 --> 03:07:44,190 month I have resigned. 6320 03:07:44,190 --> 03:07:47,790 I have resigned to never owning 6321 03:07:48,527 --> 03:07:49,594 my own home condo or otherwise 6322 03:07:49,594 --> 03:07:52,998 in a city that I have resided 6323 03:07:52,998 --> 03:07:53,833 in since 1988. 6324 03:07:53,833 --> 03:07:57,903 I would like to at least be 6325 03:07:57,903 --> 03:07:58,504 able to rent a decent apartment 6326 03:07:58,504 --> 03:07:59,304 in a safe neighborhood. 6327 03:07:59,304 --> 03:08:02,304 I find this proposal very 6328 03:08:02,808 --> 03:08:03,675 acceptable. 6329 03:08:03,675 --> 03:08:07,275 We need to weed out corporate 6330 03:08:07,446 --> 03:08:08,214 and rich people and once again 6331 03:08:08,214 --> 03:08:11,214 make housing affordable In San 6332 03:08:12,951 --> 03:08:16,551 Diego some say live within your 6333 03:08:17,924 --> 03:08:18,390 own means What is living with 6334 03:08:18,390 --> 03:08:20,390 your own means? 6335 03:08:21,559 --> 03:08:22,128 Social Security does not allow 6336 03:08:22,128 --> 03:08:24,528 Thank you for that. 6337 03:08:29,302 --> 03:08:32,902 Thank you for doing Carmen So 6338 03:08:34,574 --> 03:08:35,274 short for Hello My name is 6339 03:08:35,274 --> 03:08:35,875 Carmen and I'm a resident and 6340 03:08:35,875 --> 03:08:38,275 living in District nine. 6341 03:08:39,812 --> 03:08:40,513 I'm here with you as well to 6342 03:08:40,513 --> 03:08:41,279 comment on the empty home tax 6343 03:08:41,279 --> 03:08:44,160 proposed to go to this year's 6344 03:08:44,160 --> 03:08:44,750 ballot. 6345 03:08:44,750 --> 03:08:45,451 Housing is a fundamental human 6346 03:08:45,451 --> 03:08:48,988 right for all and not a profit 6347 03:08:48,988 --> 03:08:49,689 opportunity for a select few. 6348 03:08:49,689 --> 03:08:50,355 While thousands of San Diegans 6349 03:08:50,355 --> 03:08:53,955 struggle to keep a roof over 6350 03:08:54,126 --> 03:08:54,861 their heads including myself 6351 03:08:54,861 --> 03:08:55,560 and other family members living 6352 03:08:55,560 --> 03:08:59,365 on the street or on the verge 6353 03:08:59,365 --> 03:09:00,990 of homelessness. 6354 03:09:00,990 --> 03:09:00,766 Currently ownership of multiple 6355 03:09:00,766 --> 03:09:03,766 properties is a reality for 6356 03:09:04,670 --> 03:09:05,104 wealthy people and 6357 03:09:05,104 --> 03:09:05,771 corporations. 6358 03:09:05,771 --> 03:09:08,975 It is this greed that caused 6359 03:09:08,975 --> 03:09:09,776 San Diego instability, dignity 6360 03:09:09,776 --> 03:09:10,475 and their right to a home. 6361 03:09:10,475 --> 03:09:14,750 The measure is clear this will 6362 03:09:14,580 --> 03:09:15,280 not impact primary home owners 6363 03:09:15,280 --> 03:09:15,982 or renters and only applies to 6364 03:09:15,982 --> 03:09:16,349 homes sitting vacant for most 6365 03:09:16,349 --> 03:09:18,349 of a year. 6366 03:09:19,685 --> 03:09:20,353 If you're in San Diego and you 6367 03:09:20,353 --> 03:09:23,953 can own this many homes, you 6368 03:09:24,524 --> 03:09:25,291 can take this tax like this has 6369 03:09:25,291 --> 03:09:28,891 been affecting us in low income 6370 03:09:29,562 --> 03:09:29,862 marginalized communities for 6371 03:09:29,862 --> 03:09:30,630 years. 6372 03:09:30,630 --> 03:09:32,732 So yeah, please vote yes today 6373 03:09:32,732 --> 03:09:33,299 to move the empty home tax 6374 03:09:33,299 --> 03:09:35,699 proposal to a ballot. 6375 03:09:37,170 --> 03:09:38,360 >> Thank you. 6376 03:09:38,360 --> 03:09:41,360 >> And our final speaker here 6377 03:09:42,108 --> 03:09:42,408 in council chambers is Ramsey's 6378 03:09:42,408 --> 03:09:42,809 . 6379 03:09:42,809 --> 03:09:44,611 >> Hello. 6380 03:09:44,611 --> 03:09:48,811 I want to speak in favor of 6381 03:09:49,983 --> 03:09:50,750 this item. 6382 03:09:50,750 --> 03:09:51,317 So over the last year of 6383 03:09:51,317 --> 03:09:51,951 the budget the budget 6384 03:09:51,951 --> 03:09:54,351 discussion, one thing has 6385 03:09:54,854 --> 03:09:55,555 become absolutely clear 6386 03:09:55,555 --> 03:09:56,222 The poor people of San Diego 6387 03:09:56,222 --> 03:09:56,755 can no longer afford to fill 6388 03:09:56,755 --> 03:09:58,755 this budget deficit. 6389 03:10:00,126 --> 03:10:00,827 We saw that with the failure of 6390 03:10:00,827 --> 03:10:03,763 Balboa Park making a net of 6391 03:10:03,763 --> 03:10:04,130 less than what, 3 million less 6392 03:10:04,130 --> 03:10:04,864 than that. 6393 03:10:04,864 --> 03:10:05,565 And now we have an option that 6394 03:10:05,565 --> 03:10:08,565 could potentially get us tens 6395 03:10:08,601 --> 03:10:09,435 of millions of dollars. 6396 03:10:09,435 --> 03:10:09,969 So on that on that level alone 6397 03:10:09,969 --> 03:10:12,369 it's a no brainer. 6398 03:10:13,139 --> 03:10:13,839 Now personally I've wanted to 6399 03:10:13,839 --> 03:10:14,140 live in San Diego my whole 6400 03:10:14,140 --> 03:10:16,140 life. 6401 03:10:17,910 --> 03:10:18,578 i was born in San Diego. 6402 03:10:18,578 --> 03:10:21,578 My parents relocated to East 6403 03:10:21,615 --> 03:10:22,248 County and we had a house and 6404 03:10:22,248 --> 03:10:22,982 shortly after 2008 private 6405 03:10:22,982 --> 03:10:25,982 equity purchased that house and 6406 03:10:26,386 --> 03:10:27,153 we lost it. 6407 03:10:27,153 --> 03:10:27,854 This year I tried moving into 6408 03:10:27,854 --> 03:10:30,854 San Diego and unfortunately I 6409 03:10:31,591 --> 03:10:32,492 was I was met with the prices 6410 03:10:32,492 --> 03:10:33,259 and I was not able to So now I 6411 03:10:33,259 --> 03:10:36,290 live exactly half a mile away 6412 03:10:36,290 --> 03:10:36,696 from the border. 6413 03:10:36,696 --> 03:10:37,196 But everything in San Diego 6414 03:10:37,196 --> 03:10:37,864 still affects me. 6415 03:10:37,864 --> 03:10:38,364 Everything that you guys do 6416 03:10:38,364 --> 03:10:40,333 still affects me. 6417 03:10:40,333 --> 03:10:41,101 So that's why I come to these 6418 03:10:41,101 --> 03:10:41,767 these things One day I hope 6419 03:10:41,767 --> 03:10:42,535 that I can afford to live in 6420 03:10:42,535 --> 03:10:45,271 San Diego but right now that's 6421 03:10:45,271 --> 03:10:46,106 not today. 6422 03:10:46,106 --> 03:10:46,739 I'm saying the five minute time 6423 03:10:46,739 --> 03:10:49,139 we're going to those 6424 03:10:50,410 --> 03:10:51,111 participating remotely. 6425 03:10:51,111 --> 03:10:51,778 We have 14 speakers in 6426 03:10:51,778 --> 03:10:52,846 the queue starting with Mary 6427 03:10:52,846 --> 03:10:54,846 Carson. 6428 03:10:57,750 --> 03:10:58,218 If you can please unmute. 6429 03:10:58,218 --> 03:11:00,218 >> Hello. 6430 03:11:03,123 --> 03:11:03,890 My husband and I purchased a 6431 03:11:03,890 --> 03:11:07,490 second home a two bedroom condo 6432 03:11:07,960 --> 03:11:08,560 in 2011 for our family, 6433 03:11:08,560 --> 03:11:09,229 children, grandchildren, 6434 03:11:09,229 --> 03:11:09,696 siblings, parents and close 6435 03:11:09,696 --> 03:11:11,696 family friends. 6436 03:11:12,298 --> 03:11:12,732 What concerns us the most with 6437 03:11:12,732 --> 03:11:13,667 this proposal? 6438 03:11:13,667 --> 03:11:17,270 If it goes into effect it will 6439 03:11:17,270 --> 03:11:17,671 significantly impact our local 6440 03:11:17,671 --> 03:11:18,405 businesses. 6441 03:11:18,405 --> 03:11:22,410 The one thing we all do when we 6442 03:11:22,410 --> 03:11:22,776 visit San Diego is spend money 6443 03:11:22,776 --> 03:11:23,510 by going out to eat, drink and 6444 03:11:23,510 --> 03:11:26,510 we go to entertainment venues. 6445 03:11:26,679 --> 03:11:27,380 And I haven't read any economic 6446 03:11:27,380 --> 03:11:30,380 impact analyzes of the fiscal 6447 03:11:31,551 --> 03:11:32,218 consequences to local 6448 03:11:32,218 --> 03:11:32,886 businesses as a result than 6449 03:11:32,886 --> 03:11:33,253 the reduction of second home 6450 03:11:33,253 --> 03:11:35,253 ownership. 6451 03:11:36,722 --> 03:11:37,390 The very people I feel 6452 03:11:37,390 --> 03:11:38,910 Councilmember Ella Rivera is 6453 03:11:38,910 --> 03:11:41,910 trying to support and protect 6454 03:11:41,428 --> 03:11:42,128 are going to be hurt the most 6455 03:11:42,128 --> 03:11:42,529 with the contracting business 6456 03:11:42,529 --> 03:11:44,529 environment. 6457 03:11:45,832 --> 03:11:46,566 This tax feels very punitive to 6458 03:11:46,566 --> 03:11:47,300 not just second home owners but 6459 03:11:47,300 --> 03:11:50,900 to the people who work locally. 6460 03:11:51,171 --> 03:11:51,705 We are not a wealthy family and 6461 03:11:51,705 --> 03:11:52,105 this proposal is not 6462 03:11:52,105 --> 03:11:54,105 the answer. 6463 03:11:55,641 --> 03:11:56,309 It hasn't worked well in other 6464 03:11:56,309 --> 03:11:57,900 cities, often garnering far 6465 03:11:57,900 --> 03:12:00,900 less revenue than projected as 6466 03:12:00,614 --> 03:12:01,248 identified in the city's 6467 03:12:01,248 --> 03:12:01,581 independent Budget Analyst 6468 03:12:01,581 --> 03:12:03,581 report. 6469 03:12:05,318 --> 03:12:06,353 Thank you for a no vote. 6470 03:12:06,353 --> 03:12:09,656 >> Next a Zoom user if you can 6471 03:12:09,656 --> 03:12:11,656 please unmute. 6472 03:12:14,561 --> 03:12:14,928 >> Hi, my name is Diana 6473 03:12:14,928 --> 03:12:15,462 Browning. 6474 03:12:15,462 --> 03:12:17,862 I am totally against 6475 03:12:19,666 --> 03:12:19,999 the proposed tax on vacant 6476 03:12:19,999 --> 03:12:20,834 homes. 6477 03:12:20,834 --> 03:12:24,434 People who spoke before me made 6478 03:12:25,305 --> 03:12:26,380 good cases for the fact that we 6479 03:12:26,380 --> 03:12:29,900 the city of San Diego will have 6480 03:12:29,900 --> 03:12:29,743 to get involved in 6481 03:12:29,743 --> 03:12:32,143 the inevitable litigation which 6482 03:12:34,470 --> 03:12:34,715 could be costly and that other 6483 03:12:34,715 --> 03:12:37,115 jurisdictions have not shown 6484 03:12:38,418 --> 03:12:39,218 great success in impacting 6485 03:12:39,218 --> 03:12:41,618 the availability of affordable 6486 03:12:43,657 --> 03:12:44,525 housing. 6487 03:12:44,525 --> 03:12:45,580 But on a personal note, let me 6488 03:12:45,580 --> 03:12:47,458 tell you our story. 6489 03:12:48,280 --> 03:12:48,729 The notion that many of these 6490 03:12:48,729 --> 03:12:51,729 vacant home owners are wealthy 6491 03:12:52,966 --> 03:12:53,467 and can afford the tax is 6492 03:12:53,467 --> 03:12:54,301 totally unfounded. 6493 03:12:54,301 --> 03:12:54,701 My husband and I are 87 and 82 6494 03:12:54,701 --> 03:12:56,701 years old. 6495 03:12:58,572 --> 03:12:58,906 We both worked and saved for 6496 03:12:58,906 --> 03:12:59,639 decades. 6497 03:12:59,639 --> 03:13:02,409 We've owned our house in old 6498 03:13:02,409 --> 03:13:03,760 Scripps Ranch for 48 years, 6499 03:13:03,760 --> 03:13:05,476 raised three children here. 6500 03:13:07,781 --> 03:13:08,415 We also have a small home up 6501 03:13:08,415 --> 03:13:08,849 near Seattle where we have 6502 03:13:08,849 --> 03:13:10,849 other family. 6503 03:13:12,353 --> 03:13:12,786 When we're out there our house 6504 03:13:12,786 --> 03:13:13,487 is not vacant. 6505 03:13:13,487 --> 03:13:15,887 It's occupied periodically by 6506 03:13:17,424 --> 03:13:18,157 other family members. 6507 03:13:18,157 --> 03:13:18,692 >> Please vote no to putting 6508 03:13:18,692 --> 03:13:19,460 this on the ballot. 6509 03:13:19,460 --> 03:13:21,361 Sorry your time has concluded 6510 03:13:21,361 --> 03:13:24,361 although Maestro, if you can 6511 03:13:25,966 --> 03:13:27,966 please unmute. 6512 03:13:30,871 --> 03:13:31,572 Hi my name is Del Mastro. 6513 03:13:31,572 --> 03:13:32,573 I'm a disabled veteran. 6514 03:13:32,573 --> 03:13:35,976 I'm an ex blue collar worker on 6515 03:13:35,976 --> 03:13:36,544 the senior year and I'm a small 6516 03:13:36,544 --> 03:13:38,944 mom and pop landlord. 6517 03:13:40,281 --> 03:13:40,881 This is being pushed through 6518 03:13:40,881 --> 03:13:41,248 without being completely 6519 03:13:41,248 --> 03:13:43,248 reviewed. 6520 03:13:48,956 --> 03:13:49,723 I my issues with it is that in 6521 03:13:49,723 --> 03:13:50,291 2000 24th JANUARY I had a 6522 03:13:50,291 --> 03:13:52,691 tenant give me notice. 6523 03:13:54,600 --> 03:13:54,829 I was in such so much pain 6524 03:13:54,829 --> 03:13:55,395 physically I had to have a hip 6525 03:13:55,395 --> 03:13:57,395 replacement in MARCH. 6526 03:13:59,467 --> 03:14:03,670 It took me longer than the 183 6527 03:14:04,672 --> 03:14:05,139 days to be able to read to get 6528 03:14:05,139 --> 03:14:07,139 my apartment up. 6529 03:14:08,441 --> 03:14:09,443 The same thing happened for me 6530 03:14:09,443 --> 03:14:13,430 in 2005 where I had another hip 6531 03:14:13,480 --> 03:14:13,981 replacement not only need a 6532 03:14:13,981 --> 03:14:14,949 knee replacement. 6533 03:14:14,949 --> 03:14:18,953 Is there a way I can have an 6534 03:14:18,953 --> 03:14:19,286 extension here if I have health 6535 03:14:19,286 --> 03:14:19,720 issues? 6536 03:14:19,720 --> 03:14:20,287 I'm a senior. 6537 03:14:20,287 --> 03:14:22,687 I mean it shouldn't 6538 03:14:23,240 --> 03:14:23,724 discriminate against disabled 6539 03:14:23,724 --> 03:14:26,124 people or handicapped people. 6540 03:14:28,696 --> 03:14:29,463 Most mom and pops or senior 6541 03:14:29,463 --> 03:14:30,364 years and we have issues not 6542 03:14:30,364 --> 03:14:33,934 being able to get your time has 6543 03:14:33,934 --> 03:14:36,334 concluded after John Stump. 6544 03:14:37,505 --> 03:14:38,205 After John Stump it is Tony and 6545 03:14:38,205 --> 03:14:40,605 then 8700 John Stump please 6546 03:14:41,709 --> 03:14:42,176 unmute I can't hear me for you. 6547 03:14:42,176 --> 03:14:44,176 >> Thank you. 6548 03:14:46,514 --> 03:14:47,381 I sent in a letter. 6549 03:14:47,381 --> 03:14:50,981 This is a pure tax measure. 6550 03:14:51,986 --> 03:14:55,586 If it was a housing measure 6551 03:14:56,323 --> 03:14:57,580 housing would be the dedicate 6552 03:14:57,580 --> 03:14:57,992 hated use of these funds. 6553 03:14:57,992 --> 03:15:01,592 But of course there is no 6554 03:15:01,929 --> 03:15:04,929 dedicated use of this fund. 6555 03:15:06,267 --> 03:15:06,800 Please council members at least 6556 03:15:06,800 --> 03:15:08,800 modify the proposal. 6557 03:15:11,405 --> 03:15:12,380 So the fund is our dedicated to 6558 03:15:12,380 --> 03:15:12,707 housing debt reporting on 6559 03:15:12,707 --> 03:15:15,707 the actual number of housing 6560 03:15:16,544 --> 03:15:19,544 units created by this occurs 6561 03:15:21,549 --> 03:15:22,216 and that the audit of 6562 03:15:22,216 --> 03:15:25,216 the number of housing units 6563 03:15:25,919 --> 03:15:26,687 created by this tax. 6564 03:15:26,687 --> 03:15:29,870 Otherwise you're pouring this 6565 03:15:31,692 --> 03:15:35,292 tax into a general fund and 6566 03:15:36,798 --> 03:15:37,465 it's going to disappear down 6567 03:15:37,465 --> 03:15:37,899 the drain like all the other 6568 03:15:37,899 --> 03:15:39,899 overspending. 6569 03:15:41,201 --> 03:15:41,703 Thank you. 6570 03:15:41,703 --> 03:15:42,737 >> Thank you. 6571 03:15:42,737 --> 03:15:45,673 Next is Tony If you can please 6572 03:15:45,673 --> 03:15:47,673 unmute. 6573 03:15:50,211 --> 03:15:50,845 >> That also concludes the five 6574 03:15:50,845 --> 03:15:51,346 minute time We're here in 6575 03:15:51,346 --> 03:15:51,946 council chambers. 6576 03:15:51,946 --> 03:15:52,313 There are 14 speakers in 6577 03:15:52,313 --> 03:15:54,313 the queue. 6578 03:15:54,949 --> 03:15:55,249 No additional speakers will be 6579 03:15:55,249 --> 03:15:55,916 taken. 6580 03:15:55,916 --> 03:15:56,584 >> Tony if you can please 6581 03:15:56,584 --> 03:15:58,984 proceed with your comments. 6582 03:16:00,120 --> 03:16:00,855 Hello City Council. 6583 03:16:00,855 --> 03:16:03,891 Thank you very much for letting 6584 03:16:03,891 --> 03:16:04,626 me speak with you all today And 6585 03:16:04,626 --> 03:16:08,162 I want to start by apologizing 6586 03:16:08,162 --> 03:16:08,496 to Councilmember Vivian Moreno 6587 03:16:08,496 --> 03:16:09,264 . 6588 03:16:09,264 --> 03:16:11,664 Yesterday I falsely attributed 6589 03:16:13,868 --> 03:16:14,569 the credit that should have 6590 03:16:14,569 --> 03:16:15,169 been given to you to Stephen 6591 03:16:15,169 --> 03:16:17,169 Whitburn for supporting 6592 03:16:19,390 --> 03:16:22,390 the empty House proposal in 6593 03:16:23,945 --> 03:16:24,646 the committee last week And I 6594 03:16:24,646 --> 03:16:25,113 wanted to speak today in favor 6595 03:16:25,113 --> 03:16:27,113 of the measure. 6596 03:16:28,149 --> 03:16:28,817 I also did want to address 6597 03:16:28,817 --> 03:16:31,817 the concerns that have been 6598 03:16:33,870 --> 03:16:33,587 raised in San Francisco and in 6599 03:16:33,587 --> 03:16:34,556 Berkeley as well. 6600 03:16:34,556 --> 03:16:38,590 I want to say that everyone's 6601 03:16:38,590 --> 03:16:38,860 concerns about the litigation 6602 03:16:38,860 --> 03:16:42,460 in Berkeley and and waiting for 6603 03:16:42,897 --> 03:16:43,631 reservation for whatever 6604 03:16:43,631 --> 03:16:44,199 happens there to determine what 6605 03:16:44,199 --> 03:16:47,199 we decide to do here. 6606 03:16:47,936 --> 03:16:48,269 I think we're missing the point 6607 03:16:48,269 --> 03:16:48,903 . 6608 03:16:48,903 --> 03:16:49,704 We need bold leadership. 6609 03:16:49,704 --> 03:16:52,340 Now we don't need to wait for 6610 03:16:52,340 --> 03:16:52,840 other cities to tell us what to 6611 03:16:52,840 --> 03:16:53,708 do in our city. 6612 03:16:53,708 --> 03:16:57,112 We that's why we have our own 6613 03:16:57,112 --> 03:16:57,545 courts to decide those things 6614 03:16:57,545 --> 03:16:58,313 for ourselves. 6615 03:16:58,313 --> 03:16:58,847 >> And we need bold leadership 6616 03:16:58,847 --> 03:16:59,247 to take action now. 6617 03:16:59,247 --> 03:17:01,247 Thank you. 6618 03:17:02,917 --> 03:17:03,885 Thank you. 6619 03:17:03,885 --> 03:17:06,885 >> Next is 8700 If you can 6620 03:17:07,188 --> 03:17:10,188 please unmute Star six turn 6621 03:17:12,960 --> 03:17:13,695 mute. 6622 03:17:13,695 --> 03:17:14,290 >> Thank you Joy from the cd 6623 03:17:14,290 --> 03:17:16,290 three. 6624 03:17:17,598 --> 03:17:17,966 I'm going to repeat what I said 6625 03:17:17,966 --> 03:17:18,599 at Rules. 6626 03:17:18,599 --> 03:17:21,599 I feel good about it. 6627 03:17:21,770 --> 03:17:25,370 There are parts of this item 6628 03:17:26,608 --> 03:17:27,209 that will only be clear as we 6629 03:17:27,209 --> 03:17:29,609 implement and live them. 6630 03:17:30,945 --> 03:17:31,913 Does this apply to all of life? 6631 03:17:31,913 --> 03:17:35,984 Yet we must have the courage to 6632 03:17:35,984 --> 03:17:36,618 take our leaps. 6633 03:17:36,618 --> 03:17:39,618 Here is my main point. 6634 03:17:41,289 --> 03:17:44,289 We are one people equals. 6635 03:17:45,660 --> 03:17:45,960 We are one family in one San 6636 03:17:45,960 --> 03:17:46,828 Diego. 6637 03:17:46,828 --> 03:17:50,428 One family has one part of 6638 03:17:51,266 --> 03:17:54,866 the money used to cover their 6639 03:17:55,336 --> 03:17:56,400 needs in our city family. 6640 03:17:56,400 --> 03:17:59,400 That includes all levels of 6641 03:18:00,375 --> 03:18:03,375 income and revenue for sharing. 6642 03:18:04,947 --> 03:18:05,747 For sharing with all San Diego 6643 03:18:05,747 --> 03:18:08,747 homeowners are part of this 6644 03:18:09,818 --> 03:18:10,652 family's assets. 6645 03:18:10,652 --> 03:18:14,852 Let's do one step at a time. 6646 03:18:15,559 --> 03:18:16,324 This is exciting on this item 6647 03:18:16,324 --> 03:18:20,295 and if we get enough time has 6648 03:18:20,295 --> 03:18:20,796 concluded the San Diego family 6649 03:18:20,796 --> 03:18:21,663 moves this up. 6650 03:18:21,663 --> 03:18:21,997 We try and if you can please 6651 03:18:21,997 --> 03:18:23,997 unmute. 6652 03:18:24,866 --> 03:18:25,200 After that is Francine Maxwell 6653 03:18:25,200 --> 03:18:25,667 . 6654 03:18:25,667 --> 03:18:27,667 >> Oh hi. 6655 03:18:32,541 --> 03:18:33,242 My name We trained and I'm 6656 03:18:33,242 --> 03:18:35,110 executive director of people. 6657 03:18:35,110 --> 03:18:35,810 I'm one of kalinin to continue 6658 03:18:35,810 --> 03:18:38,810 to attract my support for 6659 03:18:39,114 --> 03:18:39,982 the ballot measure. 6660 03:18:39,982 --> 03:18:40,682 Like I said a long time it's 6661 03:18:40,682 --> 03:18:43,820 really difficult to build 6662 03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:46,154 housing and the most thing that 6663 03:18:46,154 --> 03:18:49,291 we can do is just ship a lot of 6664 03:18:49,291 --> 03:18:49,992 the empty homes and make them 6665 03:18:49,992 --> 03:18:52,992 make them available For many, 6666 03:18:54,329 --> 03:18:55,640 many folks here And then I go 6667 03:18:55,640 --> 03:18:55,363 and make it more affordable for 6668 03:18:55,363 --> 03:18:57,363 them. 6669 03:18:58,133 --> 03:18:58,934 Revenues increase so high none 6670 03:18:58,934 --> 03:18:59,268 of that came in by home 6671 03:18:59,268 --> 03:19:01,268 anymore. 6672 03:19:03,472 --> 03:19:04,339 My friends are leaving the town 6673 03:19:04,339 --> 03:19:04,640 and I really don't want them to 6674 03:19:04,640 --> 03:19:05,340 leave. 6675 03:19:05,340 --> 03:19:05,639 I don't want anymore about to 6676 03:19:05,639 --> 03:19:07,639 leave. 6677 03:19:10,450 --> 03:19:10,746 So please vote for days and 6678 03:19:10,746 --> 03:19:12,915 support for that two and then 6679 03:19:12,915 --> 03:19:13,315 put them on the ballot and 6680 03:19:13,315 --> 03:19:13,816 thank you. 6681 03:19:13,816 --> 03:19:14,750 >> Thank you. 6682 03:19:14,750 --> 03:19:18,350 Next is Francine Maxwell If you 6683 03:19:19,955 --> 03:19:20,622 can please unmute. 6684 03:19:20,622 --> 03:19:22,622 >> Francine Maxwell District 6685 03:19:24,860 --> 03:19:25,260 four in Opposition data can be 6686 03:19:25,260 --> 03:19:26,280 manipulated. 6687 03:19:26,280 --> 03:19:29,531 As we have seen before as it 6688 03:19:29,531 --> 03:19:30,232 pertains to our trash free we 6689 03:19:30,232 --> 03:19:30,866 had an outside attorney's I 6690 03:19:30,866 --> 03:19:33,266 understand that was named. 6691 03:19:34,303 --> 03:19:34,970 We have a plethora of city 6692 03:19:34,970 --> 03:19:35,671 attorneys but we continually 6693 03:19:35,671 --> 03:19:39,800 spend money to get an outside 6694 03:19:39,800 --> 03:19:39,775 attorney. 6695 03:19:39,775 --> 03:19:40,442 So again we are paying 6696 03:19:40,442 --> 03:19:43,442 attention closely to how our 6697 03:19:43,946 --> 03:19:44,814 tax dollars are being spent. 6698 03:19:44,814 --> 03:19:48,684 When you look at this, this is 6699 03:19:48,684 --> 03:19:49,385 going to be dedicated money for 6700 03:19:49,385 --> 03:19:50,180 public safety because again we 6701 03:19:50,180 --> 03:19:53,618 are one of the safest big 6702 03:19:53,822 --> 03:19:54,356 cities and public safety is 6703 03:19:54,356 --> 03:19:55,157 number one for all. 6704 03:19:55,157 --> 03:19:55,658 So there is other ways that we 6705 03:19:55,658 --> 03:19:57,658 can do this. 6706 03:19:58,627 --> 03:20:01,627 And when somebody keeps saying 6707 03:20:03,198 --> 03:20:03,899 that people are just so evil 6708 03:20:03,899 --> 03:20:04,767 because they have to homes 6709 03:20:04,767 --> 03:20:08,367 remember what it took for some 6710 03:20:08,671 --> 03:20:09,104 people to purchase their 6711 03:20:09,104 --> 03:20:11,104 parents home. 6712 03:20:12,341 --> 03:20:13,420 And so they are also working 6713 03:20:13,420 --> 03:20:13,676 two and three jobs and can't 6714 03:20:13,676 --> 03:20:16,760 afford their parents home. 6715 03:20:17,213 --> 03:20:17,913 But generational wealth starts 6716 03:20:17,913 --> 03:20:20,913 with making sure that grandma 6717 03:20:22,618 --> 03:20:22,917 and mom's house never gets sold 6718 03:20:22,917 --> 03:20:23,753 . 6719 03:20:23,753 --> 03:20:24,453 >> So please keep that in mind. 6720 03:20:24,453 --> 03:20:24,787 Thank you for that concluding 6721 03:20:24,787 --> 03:20:25,520 comment. 6722 03:20:25,520 --> 03:20:29,120 Blair Beckman if you can please 6723 03:20:30,726 --> 03:20:33,726 unmute high where we commenced 6724 03:20:34,630 --> 03:20:35,297 this item Was it committee Last 6725 03:20:35,297 --> 03:20:38,134 week I was in Maui learning 6726 03:20:38,134 --> 03:20:38,801 about it and now back in San 6727 03:20:38,801 --> 03:20:39,135 Diego and we're finalizing 6728 03:20:39,135 --> 03:20:39,768 things. 6729 03:20:39,768 --> 03:20:42,768 Good luck in your efforts. 6730 03:20:44,400 --> 03:20:44,340 I think this is an important 6731 03:20:44,340 --> 03:20:45,730 item. 6732 03:20:45,730 --> 03:20:47,777 We're having an important shift 6733 03:20:47,777 --> 03:20:48,744 in thinking that you're trying 6734 03:20:48,744 --> 03:20:52,715 to develop a sense of care for 6735 03:20:52,715 --> 03:20:53,182 our the people of our community 6736 03:20:53,182 --> 03:20:54,500 and our society. 6737 03:20:54,500 --> 03:20:57,650 I don't think anybody can fault 6738 03:20:58,120 --> 03:20:58,821 councilperson Lapera and staff 6739 03:20:58,821 --> 03:21:01,821 for what they're working on 6740 03:21:02,424 --> 03:21:03,250 their goals their commendable 6741 03:21:03,250 --> 03:21:03,359 really good luck in such 6742 03:21:03,359 --> 03:21:05,359 efforts. 6743 03:21:07,263 --> 03:21:07,963 I think we're trying to address 6744 03:21:07,963 --> 03:21:08,698 San Francisco and that Oakland 6745 03:21:08,698 --> 03:21:11,698 and Berkeley have improved upon 6746 03:21:12,501 --> 03:21:13,201 San Francisco's ideas that that 6747 03:21:13,201 --> 03:21:13,870 needs to be considered And I 6748 03:21:13,870 --> 03:21:17,470 don't know quite what to do 6749 03:21:17,673 --> 03:21:18,341 with the taxation issue how our 6750 03:21:18,341 --> 03:21:20,741 founding fathers would view 6751 03:21:22,711 --> 03:21:23,446 taxation versus an overall care 6752 03:21:23,446 --> 03:21:23,980 for people that we're trying to 6753 03:21:23,980 --> 03:21:24,680 offer for this item. 6754 03:21:24,680 --> 03:21:27,917 Good luck how we can move 6755 03:21:27,917 --> 03:21:28,618 forward in our human history 6756 03:21:28,618 --> 03:21:29,285 and thinking of care as an 6757 03:21:29,285 --> 03:21:31,685 important concept of our 6758 03:21:33,156 --> 03:21:33,656 beliefs systems. 6759 03:21:33,656 --> 03:21:35,656 >> Thank you. 6760 03:21:36,659 --> 03:21:39,862 Next is phone number ending in 6761 03:21:39,862 --> 03:21:42,862 356356 and then after that evac 6762 03:21:45,435 --> 03:21:46,201 3856. 6763 03:21:46,201 --> 03:21:47,690 This is Carol Shorter said I 6764 03:21:47,690 --> 03:21:49,538 oppose this under tax on a 6765 03:21:49,538 --> 03:21:50,306 residential real estate broker 6766 03:21:50,306 --> 03:21:53,906 of over 40 years in San Diego 6767 03:21:54,577 --> 03:21:57,577 loving this tax on likely 6768 03:21:58,815 --> 03:21:59,549 nonresidents who have no voice 6769 03:21:59,549 --> 03:22:00,383 in this conversation and they 6770 03:22:00,383 --> 03:22:03,983 will have no vote is absolutely 6771 03:22:04,454 --> 03:22:05,120 unconscionable. 6772 03:22:05,120 --> 03:22:05,921 They already pay their fair 6773 03:22:05,921 --> 03:22:08,858 share I for fair share a number 6774 03:22:08,858 --> 03:22:09,158 of times they pay their fair 6775 03:22:09,158 --> 03:22:09,859 share. 6776 03:22:09,859 --> 03:22:10,226 It's all done on property tax 6777 03:22:10,226 --> 03:22:10,860 valuation. 6778 03:22:10,860 --> 03:22:13,730 Many of these people are 6779 03:22:13,730 --> 03:22:14,263 recently purchasing They're 6780 03:22:14,263 --> 03:22:14,998 paying over $10,000. 6781 03:22:14,998 --> 03:22:18,200 You want to pay them another x, 6782 03:22:18,200 --> 03:22:18,968 y, z amount arbitrarily. 6783 03:22:18,968 --> 03:22:19,269 That's way more than their fair 6784 03:22:19,269 --> 03:22:21,269 share. 6785 03:22:23,706 --> 03:22:24,439 These are visitors to our city. 6786 03:22:24,439 --> 03:22:28,390 What used to be like San 6787 03:22:28,143 --> 03:22:28,544 Diego's Best Buy some you know 6788 03:22:28,544 --> 03:22:29,212 Not anymore. 6789 03:22:29,212 --> 03:22:32,480 Not if you're going to have 6790 03:22:32,480 --> 03:22:32,382 this unwelcome mat at your door 6791 03:22:32,382 --> 03:22:33,183 . 6792 03:22:33,183 --> 03:22:33,516 I don't like where our city is 6793 03:22:33,516 --> 03:22:34,384 headed. 6794 03:22:34,384 --> 03:22:37,984 I don't think you have any 6795 03:22:38,254 --> 03:22:41,254 right to tax second homes. 6796 03:22:41,624 --> 03:22:42,225 What gives you the privilege to 6797 03:22:42,225 --> 03:22:42,959 stand there discriminate 6798 03:22:42,959 --> 03:22:46,559 against one group of people and 6799 03:22:46,729 --> 03:22:47,497 you say to them oh you you 6800 03:22:47,497 --> 03:22:48,970 people over here have to pay 6801 03:22:48,970 --> 03:22:48,531 for our bad management. 6802 03:22:48,531 --> 03:22:50,531 That's wrong. 6803 03:22:51,467 --> 03:22:51,835 There's so many things wrong 6804 03:22:51,835 --> 03:22:52,535 with that. 6805 03:22:52,535 --> 03:22:55,535 >> Your time has come back. 6806 03:22:55,804 --> 03:22:59,609 If you can please unmute I am a 6807 03:22:59,609 --> 03:23:00,243 resident of d five and I am 6808 03:23:00,243 --> 03:23:00,577 calling in to support this 6809 03:23:00,577 --> 03:23:02,577 measure. 6810 03:23:04,790 --> 03:23:04,514 I believe that housing is a 6811 03:23:04,514 --> 03:23:05,282 human right. 6812 03:23:05,282 --> 03:23:05,982 I believe that the city has a 6813 03:23:05,982 --> 03:23:08,382 responsibility to ensure that 6814 03:23:09,850 --> 03:23:09,552 its housing stock is being used 6815 03:23:09,552 --> 03:23:10,420 by residents, by 6816 03:23:10,420 --> 03:23:13,420 the communities, by people who 6817 03:23:14,240 --> 03:23:14,524 are currently struggling to 6818 03:23:14,524 --> 03:23:15,224 afford to live in 6819 03:23:15,224 --> 03:23:18,224 the communities that they work 6820 03:23:18,429 --> 03:23:19,295 in and serve. 6821 03:23:19,295 --> 03:23:20,163 >> If somebody wants to have a 6822 03:23:20,163 --> 03:23:23,763 second vacant home or have a 6823 03:23:23,866 --> 03:23:24,501 vacation home or speculate on 6824 03:23:24,501 --> 03:23:25,200 real estate, that's fine. 6825 03:23:25,200 --> 03:23:28,170 That's not something the city 6826 03:23:28,170 --> 03:23:28,905 will ever be able to stop. 6827 03:23:28,905 --> 03:23:33,900 But I believe that the city has 6828 03:23:33,900 --> 03:23:33,777 a duty to disincentivize it and 6829 03:23:33,777 --> 03:23:37,377 if that goes to help provide 6830 03:23:38,481 --> 03:23:39,149 more service is by giving a 6831 03:23:39,149 --> 03:23:39,783 progressive tax measure that 6832 03:23:39,783 --> 03:23:42,183 supports our general fund. 6833 03:23:42,786 --> 03:23:43,555 I'm fine with that too. 6834 03:23:43,555 --> 03:23:44,221 >> I live in this city. 6835 03:23:44,221 --> 03:23:44,520 I benefit from the services 6836 03:23:44,520 --> 03:23:46,520 here. 6837 03:23:48,225 --> 03:23:48,591 Thank you. 6838 03:23:48,591 --> 03:23:49,459 Thank you. 6839 03:23:49,459 --> 03:23:53,659 Next is respect a bird rug If 6840 03:23:57,367 --> 03:23:57,834 you can please unmute. 6841 03:23:57,834 --> 03:23:58,635 Good afternoon. 6842 03:23:58,635 --> 03:24:01,635 I'm Henry Bevins With respect 6843 03:24:03,507 --> 03:24:03,874 Bird one in La Hoya along 6844 03:24:03,874 --> 03:24:05,874 the coast. 6845 03:24:06,777 --> 03:24:07,477 We're here to say build more 6846 03:24:07,477 --> 03:24:08,780 first homes first and support 6847 03:24:08,780 --> 03:24:10,478 the empty second homes. 6848 03:24:11,815 --> 03:24:14,815 That's but pair it with 6849 03:24:15,885 --> 03:24:16,420 the coastal height limit Update 6850 03:24:16,420 --> 03:24:17,540 on the 2026 ballot. 6851 03:24:17,540 --> 03:24:19,454 Don't be scared Taxing 6852 03:24:20,724 --> 03:24:21,424 vacancies Managers scarcity But 6853 03:24:21,424 --> 03:24:24,727 it does not end in the 1972 6854 03:24:24,727 --> 03:24:25,362 Nixon era coastal height limit 6855 03:24:25,362 --> 03:24:27,762 update will end scarcity. 6856 03:24:29,733 --> 03:24:30,634 For 54 years this Nixon Arab 6857 03:24:30,634 --> 03:24:34,671 law has used I-5 as a concrete 6858 03:24:34,671 --> 03:24:35,138 barricade to opportunity west 6859 03:24:35,138 --> 03:24:35,839 of the freeway. 6860 03:24:35,839 --> 03:24:37,839 Coastal neighborhoods approved 6861 03:24:38,141 --> 03:24:38,542 only 25 affordable homes in 6862 03:24:38,542 --> 03:24:39,109 three years. 6863 03:24:39,109 --> 03:24:41,509 That's just not fair. 6864 03:24:43,847 --> 03:24:44,581 These measures are partners. 6865 03:24:44,581 --> 03:24:46,883 One treats a symptom, the other 6866 03:24:46,883 --> 03:24:47,483 treats a disease An artificial 6867 03:24:47,483 --> 03:24:47,985 Watergate error 50 years 6868 03:24:47,985 --> 03:24:49,985 scarcity of land. 6869 03:24:51,288 --> 03:24:51,922 Please place both on the 2026 6870 03:24:51,922 --> 03:24:54,322 ballot a draconian 30 foot 6871 03:24:57,600 --> 03:24:57,728 height limit until these miles 6872 03:24:57,728 --> 03:24:58,227 from the coast is simply not 6873 03:24:58,227 --> 03:24:59,196 serving San Diego. 6874 03:24:59,196 --> 03:24:59,963 Great turnout today. 6875 03:24:59,963 --> 03:25:03,563 I hope people work on that. 6876 03:25:05,869 --> 03:25:06,637 Thank you. 6877 03:25:06,637 --> 03:25:09,940 Next is Looper Rogers If you 6878 03:25:09,940 --> 03:25:10,740 can please unmute and for that 6879 03:25:10,740 --> 03:25:14,440 will be Narcan and and cpm 6880 03:25:14,440 --> 03:25:14,411 please proceed. 6881 03:25:14,411 --> 03:25:15,780 Thank you. 6882 03:25:15,780 --> 03:25:17,478 Oh the metric community 6883 03:25:18,982 --> 03:25:19,483 advocacy Network is in support 6884 03:25:19,483 --> 03:25:20,184 of this proposal. 6885 03:25:20,184 --> 03:25:20,517 Thank you Council Member de La 6886 03:25:20,517 --> 03:25:22,517 Ribera. 6887 03:25:23,520 --> 03:25:24,188 Since we believe that it is 6888 03:25:24,188 --> 03:25:24,755 time to address the housing 6889 03:25:24,755 --> 03:25:25,289 crisis that the city's 6890 03:25:25,289 --> 03:25:27,289 residents have been 6891 03:25:27,858 --> 03:25:28,559 experiencing in these recent 6892 03:25:28,559 --> 03:25:29,328 years people who are actually 6893 03:25:29,328 --> 03:25:32,328 working and are contributing to 6894 03:25:33,197 --> 03:25:33,897 the city. 6895 03:25:33,897 --> 03:25:34,565 Please people don't choose to 6896 03:25:34,565 --> 03:25:37,768 be poor San Diego and are 6897 03:25:37,768 --> 03:25:38,402 stepping up and doing what they 6898 03:25:38,402 --> 03:25:38,769 can to continue living in 6899 03:25:38,769 --> 03:25:40,769 the city. 6900 03:25:41,705 --> 03:25:42,372 It is difficult to hear of 6901 03:25:42,372 --> 03:25:43,107 parents taking second shifts 6902 03:25:43,107 --> 03:25:46,760 just to be able to afford rent. 6903 03:25:46,760 --> 03:25:46,811 For many mothers this is their 6904 03:25:46,811 --> 03:25:47,544 first time working but they are 6905 03:25:47,544 --> 03:25:50,648 willing to step up out of their 6906 03:25:50,648 --> 03:25:51,315 homes and work because they 6907 03:25:51,315 --> 03:25:51,782 understand the reality that 6908 03:25:51,782 --> 03:25:53,782 they are facing. 6909 03:25:55,218 --> 03:25:55,919 This year we will start to see 6910 03:25:55,919 --> 03:25:56,587 the effects of the many budget 6911 03:25:56,587 --> 03:25:57,154 deficits happening at every 6912 03:25:57,154 --> 03:26:00,154 single level and it is 6913 03:26:00,791 --> 03:26:01,425 difficult to imagine to imagine 6914 03:26:01,425 --> 03:26:01,959 how much worse the housing 6915 03:26:01,959 --> 03:26:03,959 situation will get. 6916 03:26:06,130 --> 03:26:06,797 That is why we asked City 6917 03:26:06,797 --> 03:26:07,498 Council to vote yes on this 6918 03:26:07,498 --> 03:26:09,967 proposal and let us have final 6919 03:26:09,967 --> 03:26:10,734 say in the JUNE elections. 6920 03:26:10,734 --> 03:26:11,401 Like many advocates, we want to 6921 03:26:11,401 --> 03:26:12,102 see more housing for working 6922 03:26:12,102 --> 03:26:15,172 class San Diego and thank you 6923 03:26:15,172 --> 03:26:15,472 for your time and consideration 6924 03:26:15,472 --> 03:26:15,873 . 6925 03:26:15,873 --> 03:26:16,907 Thank you. 6926 03:26:16,907 --> 03:26:21,107 Next is on If you can please 6927 03:26:24,982 --> 03:26:28,953 unmute I, I want to touch on 6928 03:26:28,953 --> 03:26:29,787 the fact that Joe LaCava talked 6929 03:26:29,787 --> 03:26:30,488 on it in the Rules Committee on 6930 03:26:30,488 --> 03:26:34,880 this Is that what will happen 6931 03:26:35,590 --> 03:26:35,726 if somebody takes a house back 6932 03:26:35,726 --> 03:26:38,495 they get it back for three 6933 03:26:38,495 --> 03:26:39,263 months or if they have to 6934 03:26:39,263 --> 03:26:42,767 renovate it then they have to 6935 03:26:42,767 --> 03:26:43,467 list the home and then most 6936 03:26:43,467 --> 03:26:44,435 first time home buyers are 6937 03:26:44,435 --> 03:26:48,350 going to need 60 days for loan 6938 03:26:48,338 --> 03:26:49,730 approvals for that particular 6939 03:26:49,730 --> 03:26:52,977 seller can just go and sell it 6940 03:26:52,977 --> 03:26:53,812 to a corporate nation. 6941 03:26:53,812 --> 03:26:57,615 The idea this law should be put 6942 03:26:57,615 --> 03:26:58,215 into place is going to promote 6943 03:26:58,215 --> 03:27:01,215 selling your home to a 6944 03:27:02,919 --> 03:27:03,520 corporation over selling it to 6945 03:27:03,520 --> 03:27:06,520 a first time home buyer. 6946 03:27:07,291 --> 03:27:07,992 This six month period is is is 6947 03:27:07,992 --> 03:27:11,592 a wrong idea without any kind 6948 03:27:12,496 --> 03:27:13,263 of extension for motivation For 6949 03:27:13,263 --> 03:27:17,335 me I have health issues so I 6950 03:27:17,335 --> 03:27:20,935 need to have an extension at 6951 03:27:21,305 --> 03:27:21,872 times longer than 183 days. 6952 03:27:21,872 --> 03:27:22,373 >> Thank you. 6953 03:27:22,373 --> 03:27:24,373 Thank you, Nancy. 6954 03:27:28,479 --> 03:27:28,880 If you can please unmute I can 6955 03:27:28,880 --> 03:27:29,180 you hear me? 6956 03:27:29,180 --> 03:27:31,180 Yes. 6957 03:27:33,417 --> 03:27:33,818 Please proceed. 6958 03:27:33,818 --> 03:27:34,585 >> Thanks. 6959 03:27:34,585 --> 03:27:35,286 I'm Nancy with of your Families 6960 03:27:35,286 --> 03:27:37,722 for Justice calling in support 6961 03:27:37,722 --> 03:27:38,550 of the empty homes tax ballot 6962 03:27:38,550 --> 03:27:38,656 measure. 6963 03:27:38,656 --> 03:27:41,656 I also work in homeless 6964 03:27:42,293 --> 03:27:42,959 services with staff who have 6965 03:27:42,959 --> 03:27:43,594 previously and currently are 6966 03:27:43,594 --> 03:27:44,295 experiencing homelessness. 6967 03:27:44,295 --> 03:27:47,895 We believe housing is a human 6968 03:27:48,266 --> 03:27:48,933 right. 6969 03:27:48,933 --> 03:27:49,667 We are grateful for Sean 6970 03:27:49,667 --> 03:27:50,334 Rivera's persistence in finding 6971 03:27:50,334 --> 03:27:50,668 a way to address our housing 6972 03:27:50,668 --> 03:27:52,668 crisis. 6973 03:27:52,937 --> 03:27:53,538 We need both bold solutions and 6974 03:27:53,538 --> 03:27:54,372 this is one of them. 6975 03:27:54,372 --> 03:27:57,308 It's all the better By being a 6976 03:27:57,308 --> 03:27:58,242 voter decision. 6977 03:27:58,242 --> 03:27:58,876 We are a collection of families 6978 03:27:58,876 --> 03:27:59,544 who are finding it almost 6979 03:27:59,544 --> 03:28:02,413 unbearable to raise our kids 6980 03:28:02,413 --> 03:28:03,114 here under the burden of 6981 03:28:03,114 --> 03:28:04,148 housing and child care costs. 6982 03:28:04,148 --> 03:28:06,683 Many of us wish to have kids or 6983 03:28:06,683 --> 03:28:07,352 more kids but can't because of 6984 03:28:07,352 --> 03:28:07,685 the inability to rent or buy 6985 03:28:07,685 --> 03:28:09,685 bigger. 6986 03:28:11,555 --> 03:28:12,290 But the commenters with two 6987 03:28:12,290 --> 03:28:15,890 homes that have called in these 6988 03:28:16,227 --> 03:28:17,950 wake up you are not suffering. 6989 03:28:17,950 --> 03:28:17,761 You can avoid this by making 6990 03:28:17,761 --> 03:28:18,428 your property available for 6991 03:28:18,428 --> 03:28:21,428 short term renters or other 6992 03:28:21,499 --> 03:28:22,660 ways. 6993 03:28:22,660 --> 03:28:22,667 >> It's not occupied. 6994 03:28:22,667 --> 03:28:23,000 Maybe even increase your 6995 03:28:23,000 --> 03:28:25,000 income. 6996 03:28:26,170 --> 03:28:26,838 Last but not least our budget 6997 03:28:26,838 --> 03:28:29,838 woes could be quickly solved 6998 03:28:30,174 --> 03:28:30,808 with public outrage over apd 6999 03:28:30,808 --> 03:28:32,808 murdering and spending $30 7000 03:28:35,580 --> 03:28:36,280 million of our taxpayer dollars 7001 03:28:36,280 --> 03:28:37,115 until the time has concluded. 7002 03:28:37,115 --> 03:28:40,510 >> Chris Gene, if you can 7003 03:28:40,510 --> 03:28:40,818 please unmute. 7004 03:28:40,818 --> 03:28:41,452 >> After that is Lyn. 7005 03:28:41,452 --> 03:28:43,452 Christine Please proceed. 7006 03:28:45,256 --> 03:28:46,240 Hi, I'm in District one. 7007 03:28:46,240 --> 03:28:49,240 I don't understand why there's 7008 03:28:50,261 --> 03:28:50,662 a rush to get this on 7009 03:28:50,662 --> 03:28:51,329 the ballot. 7010 03:28:51,329 --> 03:28:53,164 You guys have had ten months 7011 03:28:53,164 --> 03:28:53,832 you've been working on it for 7012 03:28:53,832 --> 03:28:54,532 ten months to get your 7013 03:28:54,532 --> 03:28:54,833 propaganda out and everything 7014 03:28:54,833 --> 03:28:56,833 else. 7015 03:28:58,703 --> 03:28:59,571 You know people in opposition 7016 03:28:59,571 --> 03:29:00,271 only have a few months to get 7017 03:29:00,271 --> 03:29:03,374 the other side out So I think 7018 03:29:03,374 --> 03:29:04,142 that's really wrong. 7019 03:29:04,142 --> 03:29:04,743 I also believe there's going to 7020 03:29:04,743 --> 03:29:05,410 be a lot of unintended 7021 03:29:05,410 --> 03:29:07,810 consequences that come with 7022 03:29:07,979 --> 03:29:08,849 this. 7023 03:29:08,849 --> 03:29:12,449 People are going to be turning 7024 03:29:12,817 --> 03:29:13,551 their homes The Airbnbs it's 7025 03:29:13,551 --> 03:29:14,352 going to destroy neighborhoods. 7026 03:29:14,352 --> 03:29:18,560 I don't think it's a good thing 7027 03:29:18,560 --> 03:29:18,422 And I just I don't like 7028 03:29:18,422 --> 03:29:19,224 the rush. 7029 03:29:19,224 --> 03:29:22,727 Also currently right now in my 7030 03:29:22,727 --> 03:29:23,270 area rent is 10 to $20,000 a 7031 03:29:23,270 --> 03:29:25,270 month. 7032 03:29:26,631 --> 03:29:27,198 That's going to go up because 7033 03:29:27,198 --> 03:29:27,932 when you guys changed 7034 03:29:27,932 --> 03:29:31,532 the zoning, the fire zoning now 7035 03:29:32,700 --> 03:29:32,636 all of a sudden we've lost our 7036 03:29:32,636 --> 03:29:33,371 homeowner's insurance. 7037 03:29:33,371 --> 03:29:34,720 So we're probably gonna have to 7038 03:29:34,720 --> 03:29:37,709 go with the fair plan which is 7039 03:29:37,709 --> 03:29:38,376 anything but fair. 7040 03:29:38,376 --> 03:29:39,770 It's expensive And if people 7041 03:29:39,770 --> 03:29:41,512 are renting their homes out if 7042 03:29:41,512 --> 03:29:42,314 they're going to have to 7043 03:29:42,314 --> 03:29:45,314 increase the rent from 10 to 20 7044 03:29:46,384 --> 03:29:46,785 to 20 to 30,000, it's not a 7045 03:29:46,785 --> 03:29:47,284 good thing. 7046 03:29:47,284 --> 03:29:47,885 >> Please vote no. 7047 03:29:47,885 --> 03:29:50,285 Your time has concluded. 7048 03:29:55,860 --> 03:29:56,428 Next is Lynn. 7049 03:29:56,428 --> 03:29:58,428 >> Hi there. 7050 03:30:00,398 --> 03:30:01,320 My name is Lynn and I'm a San 7051 03:30:01,320 --> 03:30:03,432 Diego resident strongly in 7052 03:30:05,137 --> 03:30:05,437 support of the empty homes tax 7053 03:30:05,437 --> 03:30:06,304 . 7054 03:30:06,304 --> 03:30:09,904 I've been in San Diego over 30 7055 03:30:10,477 --> 03:30:11,176 years and I once owned a condo 7056 03:30:11,176 --> 03:30:15,376 that I lost in the crash of 7057 03:30:15,514 --> 03:30:16,348 2008 And after that I. 7058 03:30:16,348 --> 03:30:16,714 I could never seem to get 7059 03:30:16,714 --> 03:30:18,714 caught up. 7060 03:30:20,510 --> 03:30:23,510 As prices continued to rise 7061 03:30:23,555 --> 03:30:24,522 etc. But when the pandemic hit 7062 03:30:24,522 --> 03:30:28,122 in 2020 all of my friends even 7063 03:30:28,760 --> 03:30:29,360 the ones that were somewhat 7064 03:30:29,360 --> 03:30:29,994 poor like me became 7065 03:30:29,994 --> 03:30:31,994 millionaires overnight who 7066 03:30:34,299 --> 03:30:35,267 owned homes, anybody who owned 7067 03:30:35,267 --> 03:30:37,736 a home even if it was a you 7068 03:30:37,736 --> 03:30:40,136 know, 400 square foot hovel. 7069 03:30:41,405 --> 03:30:42,730 Well, I spent the last five 7070 03:30:42,730 --> 03:30:42,674 years getting worrying about 7071 03:30:42,674 --> 03:30:45,674 getting kicked out of my 7072 03:30:46,478 --> 03:30:47,245 apartment that I rent. 7073 03:30:47,245 --> 03:30:48,130 So I've been checking into all 7074 03:30:48,130 --> 03:30:51,130 kinds of things that California 7075 03:30:51,350 --> 03:30:54,950 dream for all addus tiny homes. 7076 03:30:55,921 --> 03:30:56,721 >> But none of those things are 7077 03:30:56,721 --> 03:30:59,121 doable because of permitting 7078 03:31:01,627 --> 03:31:02,226 and all that kind of stuff and 7079 03:31:02,226 --> 03:31:05,226 I'm glad some of that 7080 03:31:05,330 --> 03:31:06,131 concluding comment Janika after 7081 03:31:06,131 --> 03:31:06,632 that is Doreen Diaz and she is 7082 03:31:06,632 --> 03:31:08,632 our final speaker. 7083 03:31:11,136 --> 03:31:11,470 Janika Falconer Hi, can you 7084 03:31:11,470 --> 03:31:12,300 hear me? 7085 03:31:12,300 --> 03:31:14,300 Yes, Please proceed. 7086 03:31:15,874 --> 03:31:16,508 How can you to me anyway I am 7087 03:31:16,508 --> 03:31:17,342 Janika Addie for resident 7088 03:31:17,342 --> 03:31:20,312 people who live and work in San 7089 03:31:20,312 --> 03:31:21,130 Diego know firsthand that 7090 03:31:21,130 --> 03:31:21,680 the cost of renting and buying 7091 03:31:21,680 --> 03:31:24,817 a place to live is sky high. 7092 03:31:24,817 --> 03:31:25,484 Part of our housing crisis is 7093 03:31:25,484 --> 03:31:28,484 due to big corporations and 7094 03:31:28,720 --> 03:31:29,254 wealthy investors snatching up 7095 03:31:29,254 --> 03:31:29,955 over 5000 homes. 7096 03:31:29,955 --> 03:31:30,622 These empty second, third and 7097 03:31:30,622 --> 03:31:33,220 fourth homes tighten Housing 7098 03:31:34,159 --> 03:31:34,793 market and make it more 7099 03:31:34,793 --> 03:31:35,494 expensive to rent or buy. 7100 03:31:35,494 --> 03:31:38,397 San Diego can increase access 7101 03:31:38,397 --> 03:31:39,640 to housing by supporting a 7102 03:31:39,640 --> 03:31:39,766 proposed ballot measure that 7103 03:31:39,766 --> 03:31:42,766 would tax big corporations and 7104 03:31:42,800 --> 03:31:43,502 wealthy investors who are 7105 03:31:43,502 --> 03:31:44,169 keeping homes off the market. 7106 03:31:44,169 --> 03:31:47,169 This will encourage them to 7107 03:31:48,373 --> 03:31:49,410 either put homes on the market 7108 03:31:49,410 --> 03:31:49,308 for Sandy against to rent or 7109 03:31:49,308 --> 03:31:49,942 buy. 7110 03:31:49,942 --> 03:31:52,342 Increasing the supply and 7111 03:31:53,111 --> 03:31:53,779 lowering the cost or pay a tax 7112 03:31:53,779 --> 03:31:54,446 to generate revenue to build 7113 03:31:54,446 --> 03:31:54,913 more affordable housing and 7114 03:31:54,913 --> 03:31:56,913 infrastructure. 7115 03:31:58,500 --> 03:31:58,650 Please put voters in control of 7116 03:31:58,650 --> 03:31:59,317 deciding how revenue for 7117 03:31:59,317 --> 03:32:01,717 affordable housing and other 7118 03:32:02,454 --> 03:32:03,550 items are spent. 7119 03:32:03,550 --> 03:32:03,721 Through public input, 7120 03:32:03,721 --> 03:32:06,121 transparent oversight and an 7121 03:32:08,600 --> 03:32:08,727 independent budget audit. 7122 03:32:08,727 --> 03:32:09,127 Thank you for serving our 7123 03:32:09,127 --> 03:32:11,127 communities. 7124 03:32:12,231 --> 03:32:12,698 Have a good night. 7125 03:32:12,698 --> 03:32:13,399 Thank you. 7126 03:32:13,399 --> 03:32:13,699 Our final speaker is during 7127 03:32:13,699 --> 03:32:15,699 Diaz. 7128 03:32:16,435 --> 03:32:16,902 If you can please unmute. 7129 03:32:16,902 --> 03:32:18,902 >> Hi. 7130 03:32:22,474 --> 03:32:23,409 I am in favor of this. 7131 03:32:23,409 --> 03:32:27,900 That has been fighting a vacant 7132 03:32:27,246 --> 03:32:29,646 hold for five years. 7133 03:32:30,682 --> 03:32:31,283 This home was a public nuisance 7134 03:32:31,283 --> 03:32:31,850 since DECEMBER 2021 Code 7135 03:32:31,850 --> 03:32:33,850 enforcement abatement. 7136 03:32:35,621 --> 03:32:38,621 There was no action taken. 7137 03:32:40,590 --> 03:32:42,459 The project 112833 also states 7138 03:32:45,230 --> 03:32:48,830 that this lot is empty because 7139 03:32:49,935 --> 03:32:50,602 dsd allows fraud with Diva llc 7140 03:32:50,602 --> 03:32:51,236 and broker committing fraud 7141 03:32:51,236 --> 03:32:54,236 saying it's an empty lot. 7142 03:32:55,641 --> 03:32:56,375 But as I ask you this with this 7143 03:32:56,375 --> 03:32:58,777 vacant property it can an empty 7144 03:32:58,777 --> 03:32:59,745 lot get a demolition permit? 7145 03:32:59,745 --> 03:33:03,816 And why would an empty lot be 7146 03:33:03,816 --> 03:33:04,517 given a demolition permit and 7147 03:33:04,517 --> 03:33:05,384 they lie in the application 7148 03:33:05,384 --> 03:33:08,984 saying it's known to very high 7149 03:33:09,922 --> 03:33:10,321 fines then no to code 7150 03:33:10,321 --> 03:33:12,321 enforcement. 7151 03:33:14,660 --> 03:33:15,427 These vacant home is a nuisance 7152 03:33:15,427 --> 03:33:19,270 and anybody who can't rent a 7153 03:33:19,398 --> 03:33:20,166 home has a problem. 7154 03:33:20,166 --> 03:33:22,566 >> The delivery not wanting. 7155 03:33:24,704 --> 03:33:25,371 Your time has concluded That 7156 03:33:25,371 --> 03:33:25,938 does include public comment. 7157 03:33:25,938 --> 03:33:28,708 I would just note for 7158 03:33:28,708 --> 03:33:29,441 the record that we did receive 7159 03:33:29,441 --> 03:33:29,942 four speakers in favor that did 7160 03:33:29,942 --> 03:33:30,643 not wish to speak. 7161 03:33:30,643 --> 03:33:33,112 One speaker in opposition that 7162 03:33:33,112 --> 03:33:33,880 did not wish to speak and we 7163 03:33:33,880 --> 03:33:36,280 received 20 comments in favor 7164 03:33:37,249 --> 03:33:37,917 and 94 comments in opposition 7165 03:33:37,917 --> 03:33:38,451 very comment form which have 7166 03:33:38,451 --> 03:33:38,851 been distributed to 7167 03:33:38,851 --> 03:33:39,218 the Council. 7168 03:33:39,218 --> 03:33:41,218 Thank you. 7169 03:33:41,354 --> 03:33:41,887 Council PRESIDENT. 7170 03:33:41,887 --> 03:33:42,455 All right. 7171 03:33:42,455 --> 03:33:44,855 Thank you City Clerk. 7172 03:33:46,725 --> 03:33:47,360 Before we move on, please join 7173 03:33:47,360 --> 03:33:49,127 me in thanking City Clerk 7174 03:33:49,127 --> 03:33:52,727 Fuentes for managing as well as 7175 03:33:54,600 --> 03:33:55,735 her entire team going forward. 7176 03:33:55,735 --> 03:33:59,238 >> At this time you could clap 7177 03:33:59,238 --> 03:34:01,238 Nobody. 7178 03:34:04,312 --> 03:34:05,111 Anyway, it is not an easy task 7179 03:34:05,111 --> 03:34:05,545 and her and her team do a 7180 03:34:05,545 --> 03:34:07,545 fabulous job. 7181 03:34:08,915 --> 03:34:09,615 We very much appreciated. 7182 03:34:09,615 --> 03:34:10,149 Make sure everybody gets heard 7183 03:34:10,149 --> 03:34:12,549 that wants to speak. 7184 03:34:13,453 --> 03:34:14,530 Thank you all for showing up 7185 03:34:14,530 --> 03:34:14,620 and speaking Those who 7186 03:34:14,620 --> 03:34:15,221 participated remotely 7187 03:34:15,221 --> 03:34:17,621 appreciate that as well. 7188 03:34:18,624 --> 03:34:19,325 So now we'll turn it over to 7189 03:34:19,325 --> 03:34:21,725 council members for questions, 7190 03:34:23,863 --> 03:34:24,530 comments and entertain a motion 7191 03:34:24,530 --> 03:34:25,640 and we'll start with council 7192 03:34:25,640 --> 03:34:25,498 member Ella Rivera. 7193 03:34:25,498 --> 03:34:27,498 >> Thank you. 7194 03:34:29,502 --> 03:34:30,470 Council PRESIDENT Or say thank 7195 03:34:30,470 --> 03:34:33,439 you to Mayor you and Molly for 7196 03:34:33,439 --> 03:34:33,740 all the work that you put into 7197 03:34:33,740 --> 03:34:34,240 this. 7198 03:34:34,240 --> 03:34:36,640 Thank you so much. 7199 03:34:38,277 --> 03:34:38,978 Thank you, Charles to you and 7200 03:34:38,978 --> 03:34:39,679 your team for all the analysis 7201 03:34:39,679 --> 03:34:42,790 that you provided Treasurer's 7202 03:34:43,449 --> 03:34:44,117 office for their work and again 7203 03:34:44,117 --> 03:34:44,817 the City Attorney's office I 7204 03:34:44,817 --> 03:34:48,210 also want to say thank you to 7205 03:34:48,210 --> 03:34:48,521 the folks who came down here to 7206 03:34:48,521 --> 03:34:49,388 share your story. 7207 03:34:49,388 --> 03:34:52,692 I think you helped ground us in 7208 03:34:52,692 --> 03:34:53,393 what is at stake today and I 7209 03:34:53,393 --> 03:34:56,993 could not help but notice how 7210 03:34:57,630 --> 03:34:57,363 many young faces we saw here 7211 03:34:57,363 --> 03:34:59,363 today. 7212 03:35:02,468 --> 03:35:06,439 Um, the desire to just have a 7213 03:35:06,439 --> 03:35:10,639 chance to live in this city is 7214 03:35:11,770 --> 03:35:11,544 so strong and we need to 7215 03:35:11,544 --> 03:35:13,544 encourage that. 7216 03:35:16,349 --> 03:35:17,500 We need to make folks know that 7217 03:35:17,500 --> 03:35:17,350 we are trying to give them 7218 03:35:17,350 --> 03:35:19,350 again. 7219 03:35:20,386 --> 03:35:21,254 No one's asking for a handout. 7220 03:35:21,254 --> 03:35:21,587 No one here was asking for free 7221 03:35:21,587 --> 03:35:23,587 housing. 7222 03:35:25,124 --> 03:35:25,825 They want a chance to live in 7223 03:35:25,825 --> 03:35:26,326 the city that they love and 7224 03:35:26,326 --> 03:35:26,960 that they work in. 7225 03:35:26,960 --> 03:35:29,960 We heard it from teachers. 7226 03:35:30,196 --> 03:35:30,997 We heard it from firefighters. 7227 03:35:30,997 --> 03:35:31,698 We heard it from students. 7228 03:35:31,698 --> 03:35:32,599 We heard it from recent grads. 7229 03:35:32,599 --> 03:35:34,500 And I so appreciate you all 7230 03:35:34,500 --> 03:35:37,500 showing up here and sharing 7231 03:35:39,405 --> 03:35:40,140 your stories And that's why 7232 03:35:40,140 --> 03:35:43,140 home shouldn't be sitting empty 7233 03:35:43,977 --> 03:35:44,811 during a housing crisis. 7234 03:35:44,811 --> 03:35:45,111 We are making strides as a 7235 03:35:45,111 --> 03:35:45,745 city. 7236 03:35:45,745 --> 03:35:47,745 We've strengthened tenant 7237 03:35:48,448 --> 03:35:49,215 protections. 7238 03:35:49,215 --> 03:35:49,616 We've increased permitting and 7239 03:35:49,616 --> 03:35:50,350 production. 7240 03:35:50,350 --> 03:35:53,320 We've created tools to preserve 7241 03:35:53,320 --> 03:35:54,540 affordable housing And we have 7242 03:35:54,540 --> 03:35:54,788 an opportunity today to take an 7243 03:35:54,788 --> 03:35:57,788 additional step and ask voters 7244 03:35:58,758 --> 03:35:59,392 whether they want another tool 7245 03:35:59,392 --> 03:36:00,600 that can directly help San 7246 03:36:00,600 --> 03:36:03,660 Diego and stay in San Diego. 7247 03:36:03,864 --> 03:36:04,531 The empty homes tax that's 7248 03:36:04,531 --> 03:36:04,931 proposed would do two things 7249 03:36:04,931 --> 03:36:05,632 that matter. 7250 03:36:05,632 --> 03:36:08,320 First, it changes incentives. 7251 03:36:09,350 --> 03:36:09,769 Some homes currently sitting 7252 03:36:09,769 --> 03:36:13,106 vacant would are more likely to 7253 03:36:13,106 --> 03:36:13,640 be rented or sold to people who 7254 03:36:13,640 --> 03:36:15,640 actually live here. 7255 03:36:17,544 --> 03:36:18,245 As a council we've celebrated 7256 03:36:18,245 --> 03:36:18,945 breaking ground and approving 7257 03:36:18,945 --> 03:36:21,345 financing for the development 7258 03:36:21,881 --> 03:36:22,181 of 50 homes 75 homes, 100 7259 03:36:22,181 --> 03:36:22,949 homes. 7260 03:36:22,949 --> 03:36:25,949 And we should celebrate that 7261 03:36:26,920 --> 03:36:27,320 every time we build a home we 7262 03:36:27,320 --> 03:36:28,540 add a home. 7263 03:36:28,540 --> 03:36:31,358 We relieve pressure in a market 7264 03:36:31,358 --> 03:36:32,250 that has become a pressure 7265 03:36:32,250 --> 03:36:32,725 cooker for everyday people. 7266 03:36:32,725 --> 03:36:33,360 We cannot predict exactly how 7267 03:36:33,360 --> 03:36:36,620 many homes will return to 7268 03:36:36,620 --> 03:36:36,763 the long term market if this 7269 03:36:36,763 --> 03:36:37,497 measure passes but we do know 7270 03:36:37,497 --> 03:36:40,497 this incentives will change and 7271 03:36:40,966 --> 03:36:41,802 homes will come back into use. 7272 03:36:41,802 --> 03:36:42,502 And just like every new home we 7273 03:36:42,502 --> 03:36:45,502 build, every home returned to 7274 03:36:46,106 --> 03:36:46,806 the housing market is worthy of 7275 03:36:46,806 --> 03:36:47,674 celebration because it opens a 7276 03:36:47,674 --> 03:36:51,344 door to a family or a young 7277 03:36:51,344 --> 03:36:52,440 professional that gets to stay 7278 03:36:52,440 --> 03:36:52,512 in San Diego potentially even 7279 03:36:52,512 --> 03:36:54,512 as a homeowner. 7280 03:36:56,820 --> 03:36:56,683 The second thing it does is 7281 03:36:56,683 --> 03:36:57,384 generate new revenue for 7282 03:36:57,384 --> 03:36:59,784 general city services services 7283 03:37:00,253 --> 03:37:00,921 that support housing stability, 7284 03:37:00,921 --> 03:37:01,621 homelessness prevention and 7285 03:37:01,621 --> 03:37:02,122 the basic infrastructure that 7286 03:37:02,122 --> 03:37:04,122 residents rely on. 7287 03:37:05,492 --> 03:37:06,126 They genuine win win for San 7288 03:37:06,126 --> 03:37:09,126 Diego and for San Diegans. 7289 03:37:10,330 --> 03:37:11,640 The overwhelming majority of 7290 03:37:11,640 --> 03:37:11,765 San Diegans will never pay this 7291 03:37:11,765 --> 03:37:12,266 tax because it does not apply 7292 03:37:12,266 --> 03:37:14,266 to primary homes. 7293 03:37:15,101 --> 03:37:15,435 It does not apply to long term 7294 03:37:15,435 --> 03:37:16,169 rentals. 7295 03:37:16,169 --> 03:37:19,169 It targets a narrow category 7296 03:37:20,400 --> 03:37:20,407 homes left vacant for most of 7297 03:37:20,407 --> 03:37:21,410 the year. 7298 03:37:21,410 --> 03:37:24,641 Again in the middle of a 7299 03:37:24,912 --> 03:37:25,679 housing shortage. 7300 03:37:25,679 --> 03:37:26,280 I want to be explicit for 7301 03:37:26,280 --> 03:37:26,646 the record I did this in 7302 03:37:26,646 --> 03:37:27,381 committee. 7303 03:37:27,381 --> 03:37:30,500 I'll do it again on a legal 7304 03:37:30,500 --> 03:37:30,617 question that's come up in 7305 03:37:30,617 --> 03:37:31,510 recent weeks regarding 7306 03:37:31,510 --> 03:37:33,510 the Ellis Act. 7307 03:37:34,721 --> 03:37:35,422 This measure does not require 7308 03:37:35,422 --> 03:37:36,156 anyone to rent their home. 7309 03:37:36,156 --> 03:37:36,857 It does not compel anyone to 7310 03:37:36,857 --> 03:37:39,857 remain in the rental business. 7311 03:37:40,126 --> 03:37:40,828 Nothing in this proposal 7312 03:37:40,828 --> 03:37:41,494 changes The Ellis Act, changes 7313 03:37:41,494 --> 03:37:44,494 eviction law or creates any 7314 03:37:44,698 --> 03:37:45,265 right for the city or for 7315 03:37:45,265 --> 03:37:47,665 anyone else to occupy. 7316 03:37:48,902 --> 03:37:49,670 Private property owners retain 7317 03:37:49,670 --> 03:37:50,237 the full right to keep a home 7318 03:37:50,237 --> 03:37:52,637 vacant if they choose. 7319 03:37:53,741 --> 03:37:54,541 What this measure does do is 7320 03:37:54,541 --> 03:37:56,941 straightforward It sets an 7321 03:37:57,578 --> 03:37:58,278 objective standard vacant for 7322 03:37:58,278 --> 03:37:58,946 more than 180 days and says 7323 03:37:58,946 --> 03:37:59,613 that if an owner chooses to 7324 03:37:59,613 --> 03:38:02,130 keep a residential property 7325 03:38:02,683 --> 03:38:03,416 vacant beyond that threshold 7326 03:38:03,416 --> 03:38:06,416 during a housing shortage, that 7327 03:38:07,221 --> 03:38:08,220 choice has a real public cost 7328 03:38:08,220 --> 03:38:08,756 and a tax applies that is 7329 03:38:08,756 --> 03:38:10,756 illegitimate exercises exercise 7330 03:38:11,825 --> 03:38:12,559 of the city's taxing authority 7331 03:38:12,559 --> 03:38:13,260 and is meaningfully different 7332 03:38:13,260 --> 03:38:13,560 from what San Francisco tried 7333 03:38:13,560 --> 03:38:15,560 to do. 7334 03:38:17,864 --> 03:38:18,564 San Francisco's measures would 7335 03:38:18,564 --> 03:38:19,233 strip San Francisco's measure 7336 03:38:19,233 --> 03:38:19,833 was structured in a way that 7337 03:38:19,833 --> 03:38:21,833 courts found effectively 7338 03:38:22,202 --> 03:38:22,770 compelled rental of specific 7339 03:38:22,770 --> 03:38:23,470 residential buildings. 7340 03:38:23,470 --> 03:38:23,837 Ours is not that our scope is 7341 03:38:23,837 --> 03:38:25,837 different. 7342 03:38:28,208 --> 03:38:31,208 It's more carefully crafted and 7343 03:38:32,246 --> 03:38:32,913 it exists in its exclusions and 7344 03:38:32,913 --> 03:38:33,646 modeled closely on a measure 7345 03:38:33,646 --> 03:38:36,460 which has operated successfully 7346 03:38:36,483 --> 03:38:37,151 for over two years without a 7347 03:38:37,151 --> 03:38:39,151 successful legal challenge. 7348 03:38:40,654 --> 03:38:41,287 So while amateur legal analysts 7349 03:38:41,287 --> 03:38:41,922 are throwing spaghetti at 7350 03:38:41,922 --> 03:38:42,488 the wall because they know 7351 03:38:42,488 --> 03:38:44,888 the people are broadly 7352 03:38:45,359 --> 03:38:46,260 supportive of this proposal, 7353 03:38:46,260 --> 03:38:46,760 the city's attorney's office 7354 03:38:46,760 --> 03:38:49,760 with outside expert counsel has 7355 03:38:50,631 --> 03:38:51,131 reviewed this carefully and I'm 7356 03:38:51,131 --> 03:38:53,131 very confident in 7357 03:38:55,102 --> 03:38:56,700 the foundation we built. 7358 03:38:56,700 --> 03:38:56,704 I want to be clear about how 7359 03:38:56,704 --> 03:38:57,404 carefully the rest of this 7360 03:38:57,404 --> 03:38:58,939 proposal proposal has been put 7361 03:38:58,939 --> 03:38:59,540 together. 7362 03:38:59,540 --> 03:39:00,274 We work closely with 7363 03:39:00,274 --> 03:39:00,908 the Treasurer's office and with 7364 03:39:00,908 --> 03:39:03,908 people in the community to 7365 03:39:04,245 --> 03:39:04,678 create a measure that is 7366 03:39:04,678 --> 03:39:05,379 implementable. 7367 03:39:05,379 --> 03:39:08,816 We took into account real life 7368 03:39:08,816 --> 03:39:09,517 circumstances where a tax 7369 03:39:09,517 --> 03:39:10,217 should not apply and I hope 7370 03:39:10,217 --> 03:39:13,817 that some of the opponents who 7371 03:39:13,921 --> 03:39:14,588 spoke today listen to this 7372 03:39:14,588 --> 03:39:17,588 because some of the concerns 7373 03:39:18,659 --> 03:39:19,426 were raised are not actually 7374 03:39:19,426 --> 03:39:21,995 you're going to be exempt from 7375 03:39:21,995 --> 03:39:22,763 this tax if a family member is 7376 03:39:22,763 --> 03:39:23,564 living in a second home, that 7377 03:39:23,564 --> 03:39:23,864 home should not be taxed and it 7378 03:39:23,864 --> 03:39:25,864 won't. 7379 03:39:26,801 --> 03:39:27,468 If a loved one has passed away 7380 03:39:27,468 --> 03:39:28,135 and the family is navigating 7381 03:39:28,135 --> 03:39:31,135 probate or cannot yet afford 7382 03:39:31,205 --> 03:39:31,872 needed repairs, that home 7383 03:39:31,872 --> 03:39:32,239 should not be taxed and it 7384 03:39:32,239 --> 03:39:33,400 won't be. 7385 03:39:33,400 --> 03:39:35,309 If someone is deployed in 7386 03:39:35,309 --> 03:39:36,900 the military their home should 7387 03:39:36,900 --> 03:39:36,711 not be taxed and it won't be. 7388 03:39:36,711 --> 03:39:39,111 These exclusions exist because 7389 03:39:40,810 --> 03:39:40,514 good policy has to be sensible 7390 03:39:40,514 --> 03:39:41,115 and fair. 7391 03:39:41,115 --> 03:39:41,782 While staying focused on 7392 03:39:41,782 --> 03:39:44,782 the goal getting homes back 7393 03:39:45,820 --> 03:39:46,520 into use for San Diegans who 7394 03:39:46,520 --> 03:39:47,188 need them My priority is San 7395 03:39:47,188 --> 03:39:49,588 Diego families its young 7396 03:39:50,124 --> 03:39:50,858 professionals. 7397 03:39:50,858 --> 03:39:51,492 It's the public workers who 7398 03:39:51,492 --> 03:39:52,460 want to live in this city. 7399 03:39:52,460 --> 03:39:55,296 This is one piece of a broad 7400 03:39:55,296 --> 03:39:55,997 strategy to lower the cost of 7401 03:39:55,997 --> 03:39:56,397 living and expand opportunity 7402 03:39:56,397 --> 03:39:58,397 in the city. 7403 03:39:59,734 --> 03:40:00,267 The opportunity before us today 7404 03:40:00,267 --> 03:40:01,102 is straightforward. 7405 03:40:01,102 --> 03:40:01,869 We can act or we can leave 7406 03:40:01,869 --> 03:40:04,869 intact a system where thousands 7407 03:40:04,906 --> 03:40:05,607 of homes sit empty while 7408 03:40:05,607 --> 03:40:08,607 everyday people work their off 7409 03:40:08,910 --> 03:40:09,210 just to afford a place to live 7410 03:40:09,210 --> 03:40:10,770 . 7411 03:40:10,770 --> 03:40:13,948 With that I move I move staff 7412 03:40:13,948 --> 03:40:14,582 recommendation and authorize 7413 03:40:14,582 --> 03:40:15,216 myself Councilmember Isla 7414 03:40:15,216 --> 03:40:15,849 Rivera to sign and file a 7415 03:40:15,849 --> 03:40:18,249 written ballot argument in 7416 03:40:18,486 --> 03:40:19,530 favor of the ballot measure for 7417 03:40:19,530 --> 03:40:19,420 inclusion in the voter 7418 03:40:19,420 --> 03:40:20,860 pamphlet. 7419 03:40:20,860 --> 03:40:20,455 Thank you Council PRESIDENT. 7420 03:40:20,455 --> 03:40:22,455 All right. 7421 03:40:23,758 --> 03:40:24,692 Thank you, Council members. 7422 03:40:24,692 --> 03:40:25,393 >> So we do have a motion to 7423 03:40:25,393 --> 03:40:27,395 move the staff recommendation 7424 03:40:27,395 --> 03:40:28,162 that it's shown on the screen 7425 03:40:28,162 --> 03:40:31,762 And we'll go next to Council 7426 03:40:33,166 --> 03:40:33,901 PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee Thank you 7427 03:40:33,901 --> 03:40:34,602 Council PRESIDENT And thank you 7428 03:40:34,602 --> 03:40:37,400 council member Ella Rivera for 7429 03:40:37,400 --> 03:40:37,338 bringing this proposal forward 7430 03:40:37,338 --> 03:40:38,172 . 7431 03:40:38,172 --> 03:40:38,773 We all know that San Diego is 7432 03:40:38,773 --> 03:40:41,173 facing a housing crisis. 7433 03:40:41,909 --> 03:40:42,443 We need more homes as part of 7434 03:40:42,443 --> 03:40:43,177 that housing supply. 7435 03:40:43,177 --> 03:40:46,777 Yet many homes that could house 7436 03:40:47,315 --> 03:40:48,160 San Diegans are sitting empty, 7437 03:40:48,160 --> 03:40:51,160 built, ready but unused while 7438 03:40:51,786 --> 03:40:52,850 families struggle to afford 7439 03:40:52,850 --> 03:40:52,787 rent. 7440 03:40:52,787 --> 03:40:53,187 First time homebuyers struggle 7441 03:40:53,187 --> 03:40:55,187 to compete. 7442 03:40:56,558 --> 03:40:57,224 And young people who grew up 7443 03:40:57,224 --> 03:40:57,792 here wonder whether they'll 7444 03:40:57,792 --> 03:41:00,792 ever be able to stay. 7445 03:41:00,961 --> 03:41:01,696 That disconnect is what this 7446 03:41:01,696 --> 03:41:02,397 measure is intended to address. 7447 03:41:02,397 --> 03:41:05,997 At its core, this proposal is 7448 03:41:06,100 --> 03:41:06,868 about fairness and responsible 7449 03:41:06,868 --> 03:41:07,368 use of housing in a city where 7450 03:41:07,368 --> 03:41:09,368 housing is scarce. 7451 03:41:10,872 --> 03:41:11,574 Homes should be lived in, 7452 03:41:11,574 --> 03:41:15,430 rented out or sold to someone 7453 03:41:15,430 --> 03:41:15,810 who will live in them. 7454 03:41:15,810 --> 03:41:16,477 What this measure says is 7455 03:41:16,477 --> 03:41:19,477 simple If someone chooses to 7456 03:41:19,914 --> 03:41:20,648 keep a home empty then they 7457 03:41:20,648 --> 03:41:21,316 should contribute a little more 7458 03:41:21,316 --> 03:41:21,950 to the community that makes 7459 03:41:21,950 --> 03:41:23,950 that investment possible. 7460 03:41:25,754 --> 03:41:26,621 If someone can afford to own a 7461 03:41:26,621 --> 03:41:29,791 second home and not use it for 7462 03:41:29,791 --> 03:41:30,524 any purpose they can absolutely 7463 03:41:30,524 --> 03:41:34,124 afford to pay this tax and 7464 03:41:34,596 --> 03:41:35,163 should importantly this 7465 03:41:35,163 --> 03:41:35,864 proposal still leaves 7466 03:41:35,864 --> 03:41:38,864 the choice with the homeowner. 7467 03:41:39,567 --> 03:41:40,235 A homeowner can continue to 7468 03:41:40,235 --> 03:41:40,567 leave the home empty and pay 7469 03:41:40,567 --> 03:41:41,436 the tax. 7470 03:41:41,436 --> 03:41:44,639 Or they can put the home to use 7471 03:41:44,639 --> 03:41:45,730 by living in it, renting it out 7472 03:41:45,730 --> 03:41:47,730 or selling it. 7473 03:41:48,810 --> 03:41:49,477 This is why I view this as a 7474 03:41:49,477 --> 03:41:49,844 very reasonable and targeted 7475 03:41:49,844 --> 03:41:50,411 approach. 7476 03:41:50,411 --> 03:41:53,411 It does not impact as 7477 03:41:54,182 --> 03:41:54,749 Councilmember Isla Rivera 7478 03:41:54,749 --> 03:41:55,417 mentioned, any primary 7479 03:41:55,417 --> 03:41:58,417 residences or renters and is 7480 03:41:58,753 --> 03:41:59,421 focused specifically on 7481 03:41:59,421 --> 03:42:00,880 the roughly 5000 homes that 7482 03:42:00,880 --> 03:42:03,880 already file an exemption to 7483 03:42:03,358 --> 03:42:04,158 the city's rental unit business 7484 03:42:04,158 --> 03:42:07,158 tax and identify themselves as 7485 03:42:07,462 --> 03:42:08,229 a second home or vacation home. 7486 03:42:08,229 --> 03:42:10,629 That list already exists 7487 03:42:12,000 --> 03:42:12,767 doesn't require some audit. 7488 03:42:12,767 --> 03:42:16,367 Many of these are likely owned 7489 03:42:16,738 --> 03:42:17,605 by people who live elsewhere 7490 03:42:17,605 --> 03:42:18,730 and are not part of our local 7491 03:42:18,730 --> 03:42:20,730 housing supply. 7492 03:42:21,408 --> 03:42:22,430 The measure also includes 7493 03:42:22,430 --> 03:42:22,643 thoughtful exemptions for 7494 03:42:22,643 --> 03:42:24,643 homeowners facing unique 7495 03:42:26,381 --> 03:42:27,182 circumstances such as those in 7496 03:42:27,182 --> 03:42:27,582 long term care or on military 7497 03:42:27,582 --> 03:42:28,183 deployment. 7498 03:42:28,183 --> 03:42:28,884 And I also want to thank 7499 03:42:28,884 --> 03:42:31,119 council member Ella Rivera for 7500 03:42:31,119 --> 03:42:31,720 taking our amendment a 7501 03:42:31,720 --> 03:42:32,387 committee to ensure that 7502 03:42:32,387 --> 03:42:35,387 the measure does not impact 7503 03:42:35,624 --> 03:42:36,324 newly built housing. 7504 03:42:36,324 --> 03:42:37,580 >> We appreciate the report 7505 03:42:37,580 --> 03:42:37,692 provided by the aba which helps 7506 03:42:37,692 --> 03:42:40,692 us to understand how this 7507 03:42:40,695 --> 03:42:41,328 measure compares with similar 7508 03:42:41,328 --> 03:42:41,663 policies adopted in other 7509 03:42:41,663 --> 03:42:42,364 cities. 7510 03:42:42,364 --> 03:42:45,600 And the end result is a range 7511 03:42:45,600 --> 03:42:46,167 of revenue expectations that I 7512 03:42:46,167 --> 03:42:48,567 believe gives voters a 7513 03:42:50,338 --> 03:42:50,972 realistic understanding of what 7514 03:42:50,972 --> 03:42:51,673 this measure can generate. 7515 03:42:51,673 --> 03:42:55,900 That revenue MAY be modest but 7516 03:42:55,900 --> 03:42:55,710 at a time when the city faces 7517 03:42:55,710 --> 03:42:56,378 ongoing budgetary challenges, 7518 03:42:56,378 --> 03:42:56,945 every responsible source of 7519 03:42:56,945 --> 03:42:58,945 revenue helps support 7520 03:43:00,682 --> 03:43:01,150 the services that our residents 7521 03:43:01,150 --> 03:43:01,717 rely on. 7522 03:43:01,717 --> 03:43:04,117 Ultimately, today's action is 7523 03:43:05,253 --> 03:43:06,540 about giving voters 7524 03:43:06,540 --> 03:43:06,655 the opportunity to weigh in on 7525 03:43:06,655 --> 03:43:07,220 a focused and reasonable 7526 03:43:07,220 --> 03:43:09,220 proposal. 7527 03:43:10,659 --> 03:43:11,326 I believe this is a thoughtful 7528 03:43:11,326 --> 03:43:12,930 step for us to place before 7529 03:43:12,930 --> 03:43:14,830 the voters again in a housing 7530 03:43:14,830 --> 03:43:15,597 crisis. 7531 03:43:15,597 --> 03:43:16,980 Homes should be for living in 7532 03:43:16,980 --> 03:43:18,980 not sitting empty. 7533 03:43:20,702 --> 03:43:21,436 And for these reasons I'm proud 7534 03:43:21,436 --> 03:43:24,605 to support this measure and I'm 7535 03:43:24,605 --> 03:43:25,600 happy to second the motion. 7536 03:43:25,600 --> 03:43:25,841 All right. 7537 03:43:25,841 --> 03:43:26,541 So with that we have a motion 7538 03:43:26,541 --> 03:43:28,977 by council member Ella Rivera 7539 03:43:28,977 --> 03:43:29,778 and a second by Council 7540 03:43:29,778 --> 03:43:33,378 PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee to move 7541 03:43:33,382 --> 03:43:34,160 the staff recommendation with 7542 03:43:34,160 --> 03:43:36,416 the additional language as 7543 03:43:38,420 --> 03:43:39,860 shown on the screen. 7544 03:43:39,860 --> 03:43:42,860 All offer a few comments 7545 03:43:43,158 --> 03:43:43,925 because I don't see anybody 7546 03:43:43,925 --> 03:43:46,925 else on the lines of 7547 03:43:47,996 --> 03:43:49,996 Councilmember Campos. 7548 03:43:52,701 --> 03:43:53,502 Thank you Council PRESIDENT And 7549 03:43:53,502 --> 03:43:54,236 thank you to the members of 7550 03:43:54,236 --> 03:43:58,140 the public who came in at Rules 7551 03:43:58,140 --> 03:43:58,540 Committee and today to express 7552 03:43:58,540 --> 03:44:00,540 their views. 7553 03:44:01,743 --> 03:44:02,511 And I appreciate the District 7554 03:44:02,511 --> 03:44:03,112 nine staff for the work in 7555 03:44:03,112 --> 03:44:03,478 bringing back a revised 7556 03:44:03,478 --> 03:44:04,179 proposal. 7557 03:44:04,179 --> 03:44:07,149 And I thank them for excluding 7558 03:44:07,149 --> 03:44:07,716 tier three and Tier four short 7559 03:44:07,716 --> 03:44:08,417 term vacation rentals. 7560 03:44:08,417 --> 03:44:08,717 And the definition of an empty 7561 03:44:08,717 --> 03:44:10,717 home. 7562 03:44:11,854 --> 03:44:12,487 You know, I'm all ears on ideas 7563 03:44:12,487 --> 03:44:13,210 that could potentially put 7564 03:44:13,210 --> 03:44:15,421 homes on the market. 7565 03:44:16,625 --> 03:44:17,920 And it seems that this proposal 7566 03:44:17,920 --> 03:44:17,726 certainly would. 7567 03:44:17,726 --> 03:44:21,326 And when this item came to 7568 03:44:21,363 --> 03:44:22,130 the Rules Committee last week, 7569 03:44:22,130 --> 03:44:22,831 I asked for one thing to help 7570 03:44:22,831 --> 03:44:25,831 make my decision at full 7571 03:44:26,670 --> 03:44:26,769 council a robust legal memo 7572 03:44:26,769 --> 03:44:27,303 analyzing the taxes ability to 7573 03:44:27,303 --> 03:44:29,303 withstand a lawsuit. 7574 03:44:30,639 --> 03:44:31,407 I have not received it. 7575 03:44:31,407 --> 03:44:32,740 It is hard to believe that 7576 03:44:32,740 --> 03:44:34,474 after months of developing 7577 03:44:35,544 --> 03:44:36,178 the proposal with significant 7578 03:44:36,178 --> 03:44:38,180 similarities to a version 7579 03:44:38,180 --> 03:44:39,480 that's been stopped in court in 7580 03:44:39,480 --> 03:44:39,350 2024 that there is no memo to 7581 03:44:39,350 --> 03:44:41,350 share. 7582 03:44:43,619 --> 03:44:44,320 When we have tight lines, tight 7583 03:44:44,320 --> 03:44:45,860 timelines as we do today with 7584 03:44:45,860 --> 03:44:48,860 less than one week between 7585 03:44:48,690 --> 03:44:49,457 committee and council, we 7586 03:44:49,457 --> 03:44:53,570 should rely on the analysis not 7587 03:44:53,262 --> 03:44:53,829 just the conclusion to make 7588 03:44:53,829 --> 03:44:54,529 responsible decisions. 7589 03:44:54,529 --> 03:44:57,529 Councils past and present have 7590 03:44:58,334 --> 03:44:59,680 relied on recommendations that 7591 03:44:59,680 --> 03:44:59,668 ended up wasting staff time and 7592 03:44:59,668 --> 03:45:01,668 taxpayer dollars without 7593 03:45:03,372 --> 03:45:04,139 demanding the analysis first. 7594 03:45:04,139 --> 03:45:07,739 I won't make that same mistake. 7595 03:45:08,477 --> 03:45:09,144 Let me be clear that our deputy 7596 03:45:09,144 --> 03:45:09,779 city attorneys are competent 7597 03:45:09,779 --> 03:45:10,512 and diligent and dedicated 7598 03:45:10,512 --> 03:45:12,581 public service servants working 7599 03:45:12,581 --> 03:45:13,480 on the most important issues 7600 03:45:13,480 --> 03:45:13,782 facing our city. 7601 03:45:13,782 --> 03:45:16,782 i know this personally because 7602 03:45:17,852 --> 03:45:20,889 I have worked with them for. 7603 03:45:20,889 --> 03:45:21,657 As a council member for over 7604 03:45:21,657 --> 03:45:22,424 five years and as one of them 7605 03:45:22,424 --> 03:45:22,725 for two and a half years before 7606 03:45:22,725 --> 03:45:24,725 that. 7607 03:45:26,228 --> 03:45:26,896 But I weigh the potential legal 7608 03:45:26,896 --> 03:45:29,296 viability and risk together 7609 03:45:30,965 --> 03:45:31,667 with the net public benefit and 7610 03:45:31,667 --> 03:45:32,268 the decisions I make no matter 7611 03:45:32,268 --> 03:45:34,668 how compelling or urgent 7612 03:45:35,838 --> 03:45:36,505 the motivation behind it is. 7613 03:45:36,505 --> 03:45:37,106 And certainly there is an 7614 03:45:37,106 --> 03:45:39,106 urgent and compelling 7615 03:45:40,242 --> 03:45:41,100 motivation. 7616 03:45:41,100 --> 03:45:41,609 I'm hesitant to vote for this 7617 03:45:41,609 --> 03:45:44,609 today because I have not 7618 03:45:44,914 --> 03:45:45,614 received the information I need 7619 03:45:45,614 --> 03:45:46,315 to be confident in that 7620 03:45:46,315 --> 03:45:49,315 decision and confidence in our 7621 03:45:50,286 --> 03:45:50,953 decisions is something 7622 03:45:50,953 --> 03:45:51,254 the public truly lacks these 7623 03:45:51,254 --> 03:45:53,254 days. 7624 03:45:54,757 --> 03:45:55,458 I wanted simple information to 7625 03:45:55,458 --> 03:45:56,124 make the best decision for my 7626 03:45:56,124 --> 03:45:59,124 constituents and I cannot in 7627 03:45:59,527 --> 03:46:00,229 good faith vote yes today on 7628 03:46:00,229 --> 03:46:00,796 the reasonable request I made 7629 03:46:00,796 --> 03:46:01,164 last week has not been 7630 03:46:01,164 --> 03:46:03,164 fulfilled. 7631 03:46:04,333 --> 03:46:04,766 As stated earlier, there is so 7632 03:46:04,766 --> 03:46:06,766 much at stake. 7633 03:46:09,171 --> 03:46:09,872 I agree. 7634 03:46:09,872 --> 03:46:10,605 And that's why moving forward 7635 03:46:10,605 --> 03:46:13,643 without the final piece of work 7636 03:46:13,643 --> 03:46:14,310 and perhaps the most 7637 03:46:14,310 --> 03:46:15,578 consequential piece of work 7638 03:46:15,578 --> 03:46:17,978 being done is inadvisable. 7639 03:46:20,950 --> 03:46:21,517 Thank you. 7640 03:46:21,517 --> 03:46:21,917 >> All right. 7641 03:46:21,917 --> 03:46:22,585 Thank you. 7642 03:46:22,585 --> 03:46:24,985 Councilmember Camp here for 7643 03:46:25,321 --> 03:46:26,289 your comment. 7644 03:46:26,289 --> 03:46:29,289 Again, not seeing anybody else 7645 03:46:30,326 --> 03:46:30,726 on the lights. 7646 03:46:30,726 --> 03:46:31,694 >> Okay. 7647 03:46:31,694 --> 03:46:34,997 Well, I'll give you that extra 7648 03:46:34,997 --> 03:46:36,650 time. 7649 03:46:36,650 --> 03:46:40,103 Let me offer a few comments of 7650 03:46:40,103 --> 03:46:40,636 my own and then maybe ask a 7651 03:46:40,636 --> 03:46:42,636 couple of questions. 7652 03:46:44,574 --> 03:46:45,241 So I do want to thank 7653 03:46:45,241 --> 03:46:47,641 Councilmember Gil Rivera and 7654 03:46:49,440 --> 03:46:49,612 your team for the good work in 7655 03:46:49,612 --> 03:46:50,279 bringing this forward. 7656 03:46:50,279 --> 03:46:54,830 I want to thank the aba for 7657 03:46:54,830 --> 03:46:54,951 your in-depth analysis which 7658 03:46:54,951 --> 03:46:57,951 this Council relies on and 7659 03:46:59,287 --> 03:46:59,989 the candor you described in 7660 03:46:59,989 --> 03:47:03,589 terms of trying to frame how 7661 03:47:03,760 --> 03:47:04,360 much from purely a revenue 7662 03:47:04,360 --> 03:47:04,727 point of view this could 7663 03:47:04,727 --> 03:47:06,727 generate. 7664 03:47:08,965 --> 03:47:09,699 I'm a little frustrated by 7665 03:47:09,699 --> 03:47:10,365 those who throw the Bible under 7666 03:47:10,365 --> 03:47:13,965 the bus when they don't like 7667 03:47:14,337 --> 03:47:15,400 the numbers and then tell us to 7668 03:47:15,400 --> 03:47:15,705 follow the debate carefully 7669 03:47:15,705 --> 03:47:19,208 when they do like the numbers. 7670 03:47:19,208 --> 03:47:19,909 But I do appreciate the good 7671 03:47:19,909 --> 03:47:20,609 work you've done and the very 7672 03:47:20,609 --> 03:47:23,546 thoughtful way in which you've 7673 03:47:23,546 --> 03:47:24,314 approached it And I know 7674 03:47:24,314 --> 03:47:25,181 there's more work to be done. 7675 03:47:25,181 --> 03:47:25,582 Yeah, I have to get on to 7676 03:47:25,582 --> 03:47:27,582 the ballot. 7677 03:47:28,151 --> 03:47:28,851 I want to thank the city 7678 03:47:28,851 --> 03:47:31,851 attorney's office for the good 7679 03:47:32,888 --> 03:47:33,490 work that they did in helping 7680 03:47:33,490 --> 03:47:35,890 to craft this language. 7681 03:47:37,600 --> 03:47:40,660 And the one thing that I'm 7682 03:47:41,564 --> 03:47:42,298 assured of is that the city 7683 03:47:42,298 --> 03:47:42,932 attorney's office would not put 7684 03:47:42,932 --> 03:47:45,932 something in front of this 7685 03:47:46,690 --> 03:47:46,870 council for a final vote that 7686 03:47:46,870 --> 03:47:50,470 not have had not been fully 7687 03:47:50,840 --> 03:47:51,541 vetted in light of case law, 7688 03:47:51,541 --> 03:47:54,541 federal law, local law, state 7689 03:47:55,678 --> 03:47:56,546 law and litigation. 7690 03:47:56,546 --> 03:47:57,180 I also want to thank all 7691 03:47:57,180 --> 03:48:00,180 the members of the public 7692 03:48:00,817 --> 03:48:01,384 whatever side you are on. 7693 03:48:01,384 --> 03:48:03,384 You brought compelling 7694 03:48:05,755 --> 03:48:06,189 arguments both for and against 7695 03:48:06,189 --> 03:48:06,823 this measure. 7696 03:48:06,823 --> 03:48:09,823 You were respectful to one 7697 03:48:10,794 --> 03:48:11,361 another which as counsel 7698 03:48:11,361 --> 03:48:11,962 PRESIDENT I certainly 7699 03:48:11,962 --> 03:48:14,362 appreciate and I hear 7700 03:48:15,865 --> 03:48:18,865 the passion in your voices. 7701 03:48:19,135 --> 03:48:19,936 We face many challenges as a 7702 03:48:19,936 --> 03:48:20,604 city and two of our most 7703 03:48:20,604 --> 03:48:23,604 pressing are housing and our 7704 03:48:24,600 --> 03:48:24,741 structural budget deficit. 7705 03:48:24,741 --> 03:48:25,442 The Empty Homes Initiative is 7706 03:48:25,442 --> 03:48:29,420 not a silver bullet in itself 7707 03:48:29,145 --> 03:48:29,846 To solve these challenges we 7708 03:48:29,846 --> 03:48:30,480 know there isn't one solution 7709 03:48:30,480 --> 03:48:31,181 to make everything better. 7710 03:48:31,181 --> 03:48:34,150 But let me be clear Every 7711 03:48:34,150 --> 03:48:34,751 action we can take small and 7712 03:48:34,751 --> 03:48:35,118 targeted big and bold is 7713 03:48:35,118 --> 03:48:37,118 important. 7714 03:48:38,421 --> 03:48:39,220 This measure has the potential 7715 03:48:39,220 --> 03:48:39,688 to move us in the right 7716 03:48:39,688 --> 03:48:42,880 direction by generating new 7717 03:48:42,925 --> 03:48:43,660 revenue to fund city services, 7718 03:48:43,660 --> 03:48:44,294 turning empty houses into homes 7719 03:48:44,294 --> 03:48:47,640 for San Diego through some 7720 03:48:47,640 --> 03:48:47,731 combination of the two and 7721 03:48:47,731 --> 03:48:48,598 however this mix plays out. 7722 03:48:48,598 --> 03:48:52,669 This is a good measure for San 7723 03:48:52,669 --> 03:48:53,436 Diego and for San Diego. 7724 03:48:53,436 --> 03:48:56,273 I also want to thank Council 7725 03:48:56,273 --> 03:48:56,973 member Hill over here and his 7726 03:48:56,973 --> 03:48:57,307 team for moving this proposal 7727 03:48:57,307 --> 03:48:57,975 forward. 7728 03:48:57,975 --> 03:49:00,975 Over the past several months 7729 03:49:01,811 --> 03:49:02,512 for listening to stakeholders 7730 03:49:02,512 --> 03:49:03,180 right sizing the initiative to 7731 03:49:03,180 --> 03:49:06,249 the version we see today, I 7732 03:49:06,249 --> 03:49:06,983 also want to put this measure 7733 03:49:06,983 --> 03:49:07,684 in proper context because I 7734 03:49:07,684 --> 03:49:10,820 heard a number of things that 7735 03:49:10,820 --> 03:49:11,154 are a little bit at odds with 7736 03:49:11,154 --> 03:49:12,880 reality. 7737 03:49:12,880 --> 03:49:15,325 The fact is we all operate in a 7738 03:49:15,325 --> 03:49:15,725 way driven by state, local and 7739 03:49:15,725 --> 03:49:17,725 federal law. 7740 03:49:20,230 --> 03:49:20,897 We also make decisions based on 7741 03:49:20,897 --> 03:49:24,497 the tax code, the tax code, 7742 03:49:25,680 --> 03:49:25,768 the federal and state tax codes 7743 03:49:25,768 --> 03:49:26,369 is the very essence of driving 7744 03:49:26,369 --> 03:49:28,369 the public's investments 7745 03:49:29,773 --> 03:49:30,474 investments and financial 7746 03:49:30,474 --> 03:49:30,841 decisions incentivizing their 7747 03:49:30,841 --> 03:49:32,841 behavior. 7748 03:49:34,945 --> 03:49:35,545 The federal tax code ironically 7749 03:49:35,545 --> 03:49:37,945 in this conversation for 7750 03:49:39,750 --> 03:49:40,284 example literally incentivizes 7751 03:49:40,284 --> 03:49:42,284 empty second homes. 7752 03:49:44,321 --> 03:49:44,988 How the tax code allows 7753 03:49:44,988 --> 03:49:45,688 the owner to deduct mortgage 7754 03:49:45,688 --> 03:49:48,688 payments, deduct a portion of 7755 03:49:49,459 --> 03:49:49,960 property tax. 7756 03:49:49,960 --> 03:49:50,561 This measure has 7757 03:49:50,561 --> 03:49:52,961 the opportunity to level 7758 03:49:54,564 --> 03:49:54,865 the playing field for the rest 7759 03:49:54,865 --> 03:49:55,465 of us. 7760 03:49:55,465 --> 03:49:57,865 However, the Empty Homes 7761 03:49:59,136 --> 03:49:59,703 initiative plays out is in 7762 03:49:59,703 --> 03:50:00,104 the hands of the empty 7763 03:50:00,104 --> 03:50:00,637 homeowners. 7764 03:50:00,637 --> 03:50:01,380 It is their choice. 7765 03:50:01,380 --> 03:50:03,380 Pay the tax. 7766 03:50:04,107 --> 03:50:04,875 Change Behavior. 7767 03:50:04,875 --> 03:50:05,375 Offer their units for rent or 7768 03:50:05,375 --> 03:50:06,510 sell the property. 7769 03:50:06,510 --> 03:50:08,510 That's their choice. 7770 03:50:11,582 --> 03:50:12,182 >> Many of those owners of 7771 03:50:12,182 --> 03:50:15,182 empty homes tell us they 7772 03:50:16,620 --> 03:50:17,386 operate in a certain way. 7773 03:50:17,386 --> 03:50:20,890 This MAY be an incentive to 7774 03:50:20,890 --> 03:50:21,859 slightly change how you operate 7775 03:50:21,859 --> 03:50:26,590 as so many other laws and tax 7776 03:50:26,496 --> 03:50:26,764 code provisions compel us to do 7777 03:50:26,764 --> 03:50:27,464 so. 7778 03:50:27,464 --> 03:50:28,165 >> Make no mistake every home 7779 03:50:28,165 --> 03:50:31,100 that comes in the market for 7780 03:50:31,100 --> 03:50:31,735 rent or for sale is something 7781 03:50:31,735 --> 03:50:32,368 to celebrate whether it is high 7782 03:50:32,368 --> 03:50:34,768 end or workforce housing. 7783 03:50:35,105 --> 03:50:35,906 Every new unit that is 7784 03:50:35,906 --> 03:50:36,173 available to San Diego is a 7785 03:50:36,173 --> 03:50:36,774 win. 7786 03:50:36,774 --> 03:50:39,174 This measure could bring 7787 03:50:40,110 --> 03:50:40,778 hundreds of empty homes back 7788 03:50:40,778 --> 03:50:41,445 into the marketplace making 7789 03:50:41,445 --> 03:50:44,445 more homes available to San 7790 03:50:45,182 --> 03:50:45,982 Diego residents. 7791 03:50:45,982 --> 03:50:46,817 That's a win at any scale. 7792 03:50:46,817 --> 03:50:49,817 This measure could generate new 7793 03:50:50,120 --> 03:50:50,788 revenue. 7794 03:50:50,788 --> 03:50:51,555 Even the low end estimate of 7795 03:50:51,555 --> 03:50:54,358 what I hear now is 9 million 7796 03:50:54,358 --> 03:50:54,959 per year will be a significant 7797 03:50:54,959 --> 03:50:55,491 contribution towards our 7798 03:50:55,491 --> 03:50:57,491 structural deficit. 7799 03:50:59,263 --> 03:50:59,964 That's a win at any scale And 7800 03:50:59,964 --> 03:51:03,564 if these homes are flipped to 7801 03:51:03,634 --> 03:51:04,234 short term rentals, well that's 7802 03:51:04,234 --> 03:51:04,735 new Totti that flows to 7803 03:51:04,735 --> 03:51:05,436 the city budget as 7804 03:51:05,436 --> 03:51:07,436 Councilmember Campo mentioned 7805 03:51:08,906 --> 03:51:09,240 at committee and that's a win 7806 03:51:09,240 --> 03:51:09,974 as well. 7807 03:51:09,974 --> 03:51:12,974 So in closing, however, empty 7808 03:51:13,110 --> 03:51:13,811 homes initiative plays out 7809 03:51:13,811 --> 03:51:16,811 keeping that empty home empty 7810 03:51:18,149 --> 03:51:18,848 and paying the tax. 7811 03:51:18,848 --> 03:51:19,450 Changing the owners behavior 7812 03:51:19,450 --> 03:51:22,450 based on the language of 7813 03:51:23,200 --> 03:51:23,621 the ballot measure. 7814 03:51:23,621 --> 03:51:24,322 Converting it to rental 7815 03:51:24,322 --> 03:51:25,220 converting it to a short term 7816 03:51:25,220 --> 03:51:27,891 rental or selling it no matter 7817 03:51:27,891 --> 03:51:28,926 what choices owners make. 7818 03:51:28,926 --> 03:51:29,526 It is a win for San Diego and a 7819 03:51:29,526 --> 03:51:31,926 win for San Diego. 7820 03:51:32,997 --> 03:51:33,798 So I will be voting to support 7821 03:51:33,798 --> 03:51:37,668 the empty homes tax on the JUNE 7822 03:51:37,668 --> 03:51:38,335 ballot. 7823 03:51:38,335 --> 03:51:38,702 Sitting up here as council 7824 03:51:38,702 --> 03:51:40,702 PRESIDENT. 7825 03:51:41,371 --> 03:51:42,172 I hear a lot of things that I 7826 03:51:42,172 --> 03:51:42,606 have to decide what I'm going 7827 03:51:42,606 --> 03:51:43,340 to talk about. 7828 03:51:43,340 --> 03:51:46,777 I'm a little bit disturbed that 7829 03:51:46,777 --> 03:51:47,478 there is an implication in here 7830 03:51:47,478 --> 03:51:48,790 that the city attorney has not 7831 03:51:48,790 --> 03:51:50,479 responded to a committee 7832 03:51:52,160 --> 03:51:52,483 members request for a legal 7833 03:51:52,483 --> 03:51:54,483 interpretation. 7834 03:51:56,854 --> 03:51:57,487 Now you would never ask your 7835 03:51:57,487 --> 03:51:58,121 personal attorney to tell 7836 03:51:58,121 --> 03:52:01,910 the world what your legal 7837 03:52:01,910 --> 03:52:01,859 strategy is. 7838 03:52:01,859 --> 03:52:02,526 That would be foolhardy And I 7839 03:52:02,526 --> 03:52:02,994 think everybody in this room 7840 03:52:02,994 --> 03:52:04,994 knows about it. 7841 03:52:05,863 --> 03:52:06,497 It was very uncomfortable to 7842 03:52:06,497 --> 03:52:07,310 listen to the questions at 7843 03:52:07,310 --> 03:52:09,310 Rules Committee that 7844 03:52:10,635 --> 03:52:11,235 essentially was asking the city 7845 03:52:11,235 --> 03:52:13,235 attorney to resuscitate. 7846 03:52:15,206 --> 03:52:15,973 That's not the right word. 7847 03:52:15,973 --> 03:52:16,674 To repeat what their legal 7848 03:52:16,674 --> 03:52:17,141 strategy is in defending this 7849 03:52:17,141 --> 03:52:19,141 ballot measure. 7850 03:52:20,444 --> 03:52:21,120 So I'm very concerned about 7851 03:52:21,120 --> 03:52:21,679 the idea that is being 7852 03:52:21,679 --> 03:52:24,790 represented in this chambers 7853 03:52:24,749 --> 03:52:25,349 that the city attorney has done 7854 03:52:25,349 --> 03:52:26,160 nothing since committee. 7855 03:52:26,160 --> 03:52:29,160 They have done things in 7856 03:52:30,540 --> 03:52:30,687 the best action that a city 7857 03:52:30,687 --> 03:52:31,322 attorney should provide in 7858 03:52:31,322 --> 03:52:33,722 terms of informing council 7859 03:52:35,593 --> 03:52:35,927 members of a legal basis for a 7860 03:52:35,927 --> 03:52:36,594 measure. 7861 03:52:36,594 --> 03:52:36,994 You MAY disagree with that. 7862 03:52:36,994 --> 03:52:38,994 That's okay. 7863 03:52:40,310 --> 03:52:40,765 You can disagree with it. 7864 03:52:40,765 --> 03:52:41,632 You can have your own opinion. 7865 03:52:41,632 --> 03:52:44,632 We have attorneys on this 7866 03:52:45,360 --> 03:52:45,670 council that MAY have a 7867 03:52:45,670 --> 03:52:46,204 different interpretation. 7868 03:52:46,204 --> 03:52:48,604 I'm okay with that. 7869 03:52:48,739 --> 03:52:49,741 But to represent to this public 7870 03:52:49,741 --> 03:52:53,341 that we have received no legal 7871 03:52:54,345 --> 03:52:54,879 briefings on this measure is 7872 03:52:54,879 --> 03:52:56,879 just frankly false. 7873 03:52:59,183 --> 03:52:59,484 And I'm really disappointed by 7874 03:52:59,484 --> 03:53:00,510 that. 7875 03:53:00,510 --> 03:53:00,752 I'll leave it at that. 7876 03:53:00,752 --> 03:53:02,754 But I will be supporting 7877 03:53:02,754 --> 03:53:03,721 the measure. 7878 03:53:03,721 --> 03:53:07,321 >> And we'll go next to council 7879 03:53:07,759 --> 03:53:08,526 member Yvonne Wolpert. 7880 03:53:08,526 --> 03:53:09,227 Thank you very much for 7881 03:53:09,227 --> 03:53:12,227 the work and the presentation 7882 03:53:12,964 --> 03:53:13,698 to council in the Oval Office. 7883 03:53:13,698 --> 03:53:14,365 Thank you to everyone who has 7884 03:53:14,365 --> 03:53:17,365 weighed in on this measure. 7885 03:53:17,768 --> 03:53:18,469 I know it's been a lot of time 7886 03:53:18,469 --> 03:53:19,204 and effort and thoughtfulness. 7887 03:53:19,204 --> 03:53:21,973 I've heard from many of my 7888 03:53:21,973 --> 03:53:22,574 residents not only in District 7889 03:53:22,574 --> 03:53:23,206 five or across the city 7890 03:53:23,206 --> 03:53:25,606 actually who have varying 7891 03:53:26,544 --> 03:53:27,780 opinions on this on this ballot 7892 03:53:27,780 --> 03:53:29,478 measure And some of 7893 03:53:31,649 --> 03:53:32,449 the concerns that I did hear 7894 03:53:32,449 --> 03:53:33,217 from residents are one not only 7895 03:53:33,217 --> 03:53:36,621 we can't afford to live here my 7896 03:53:36,621 --> 03:53:37,322 daughter became a teacher and 7897 03:53:37,322 --> 03:53:39,991 she can't afford to stay in 7898 03:53:39,991 --> 03:53:40,691 the city To folks who have a 7899 03:53:40,691 --> 03:53:41,359 second condo in their parents 7900 03:53:41,359 --> 03:53:44,562 come in to do childcare for 7901 03:53:44,562 --> 03:53:45,263 their grandchildren and that's 7902 03:53:45,263 --> 03:53:46,300 what they use it for. 7903 03:53:46,300 --> 03:53:46,998 And so I've heard from all 7904 03:53:46,998 --> 03:53:50,335 sorts of folks on this and I 7905 03:53:50,335 --> 03:53:50,935 did have a couple of concerns 7906 03:53:50,935 --> 03:53:51,536 that I'm glad have been 7907 03:53:51,536 --> 03:53:52,169 addressed including our 7908 03:53:52,169 --> 03:53:54,169 military service members. 7909 03:53:54,706 --> 03:53:55,373 I have quite a few members of 7910 03:53:55,373 --> 03:53:55,974 the military who live right 7911 03:53:55,974 --> 03:53:58,974 outside of Miramar in my 7912 03:53:59,544 --> 03:54:00,278 district and I'm glad to see 7913 03:54:00,278 --> 03:54:00,945 that if they are deployed which 7914 03:54:00,945 --> 03:54:03,681 is completely out of their 7915 03:54:03,681 --> 03:54:04,349 control especially given 7916 03:54:04,349 --> 03:54:05,830 the national events going on 7917 03:54:05,830 --> 03:54:08,860 right now, this empty homes tax 7918 03:54:08,860 --> 03:54:08,686 would not apply to their home 7919 03:54:08,686 --> 03:54:10,686 while they're deployed. 7920 03:54:13,291 --> 03:54:14,910 That's correct. 7921 03:54:14,910 --> 03:54:14,759 >> Thank you Council everyone. 7922 03:54:14,759 --> 03:54:15,192 Wolpert That's correct with 7923 03:54:15,192 --> 03:54:17,192 the exclusion. 7924 03:54:17,428 --> 03:54:17,829 Okay. 7925 03:54:17,829 --> 03:54:18,696 Thank you. 7926 03:54:18,696 --> 03:54:22,896 And I also have heard from many 7927 03:54:23,134 --> 03:54:23,902 of my constituents are they own 7928 03:54:23,902 --> 03:54:26,738 a second home but I have family 7929 03:54:26,738 --> 03:54:27,439 members that live in that 7930 03:54:27,439 --> 03:54:28,390 second home and they MAY not 7931 03:54:28,390 --> 03:54:28,373 have a formal lease for 7932 03:54:28,373 --> 03:54:30,373 example. 7933 03:54:30,942 --> 03:54:31,676 Their children MAY come back 7934 03:54:31,676 --> 03:54:32,510 from college for the summer and 7935 03:54:32,510 --> 03:54:35,800 in the fall season and they are 7936 03:54:35,800 --> 03:54:38,680 here more than 183 days a year 7937 03:54:39,217 --> 03:54:39,717 but they don't have a lease 7938 03:54:39,717 --> 03:54:40,418 with their kids. 7939 03:54:40,418 --> 03:54:41,860 Maybe they should Maybe their 7940 03:54:41,860 --> 03:54:41,753 kids are actually you know, 7941 03:54:41,753 --> 03:54:44,422 should learn how to get into 7942 03:54:44,422 --> 03:54:45,890 leases But my understanding is 7943 03:54:45,890 --> 03:54:45,790 that there is a rental unit 7944 03:54:45,790 --> 03:54:48,190 business tax exemption that's 7945 03:54:49,460 --> 03:54:50,194 available for individuals in 7946 03:54:50,194 --> 03:54:50,896 the circumstance where a family 7947 03:54:50,896 --> 03:54:54,900 is using the home so that they 7948 03:54:54,900 --> 03:54:55,367 can show what they're doing 7949 03:54:55,367 --> 03:54:56,670 with their home. 7950 03:54:56,670 --> 03:54:56,734 It's not an actual empty home 7951 03:54:56,734 --> 03:54:57,269 that their children or their 7952 03:54:57,269 --> 03:54:59,669 relatives are in it. 7953 03:55:00,710 --> 03:55:00,806 So can anyone from your office 7954 03:55:00,806 --> 03:55:01,540 or the city treasurer or anyone 7955 03:55:01,540 --> 03:55:04,376 please speak to the process and 7956 03:55:04,376 --> 03:55:05,760 what's involved in exempting a 7957 03:55:05,760 --> 03:55:05,777 property or that has their own 7958 03:55:05,777 --> 03:55:06,770 family staying in their second 7959 03:55:06,770 --> 03:55:08,770 home? 7960 03:55:09,147 --> 03:55:09,981 Thank you. 7961 03:55:09,981 --> 03:55:10,715 I can start us off and if 7962 03:55:10,715 --> 03:55:11,349 the Treasurer's office wants to 7963 03:55:11,349 --> 03:55:14,219 chime in they're more than 7964 03:55:14,219 --> 03:55:17,819 welcome to But you're right in 7965 03:55:18,189 --> 03:55:18,890 the r u b t which owners of 7966 03:55:18,890 --> 03:55:21,890 residential units they pay for 7967 03:55:23,127 --> 03:55:23,795 the rental unit business tax. 7968 03:55:23,795 --> 03:55:24,463 There's an exemption that is 7969 03:55:24,463 --> 03:55:27,463 available for I forget what 7970 03:55:27,599 --> 03:55:28,232 it's called in the rfp but 7971 03:55:28,232 --> 03:55:28,834 there is an exemption for 7972 03:55:28,834 --> 03:55:31,234 family members living on 7973 03:55:32,604 --> 03:55:33,371 the property even if they don't 7974 03:55:33,371 --> 03:55:34,390 have a lease even if they're 7975 03:55:34,390 --> 03:55:34,773 paying less than the cost to 7976 03:55:34,773 --> 03:55:38,373 operate the property And we did 7977 03:55:39,645 --> 03:55:40,345 copy that same exemption 7978 03:55:40,345 --> 03:55:43,345 practically into the into our 7979 03:55:44,583 --> 03:55:44,883 empty homes tax as well. 7980 03:55:44,883 --> 03:55:45,284 Okay. 7981 03:55:45,284 --> 03:55:45,684 Got it. 7982 03:55:45,684 --> 03:55:47,684 Understood. 7983 03:55:49,887 --> 03:55:50,589 I don't know if the city 7984 03:55:50,589 --> 03:55:51,556 Treasurer wants to weigh in on 7985 03:55:51,556 --> 03:55:54,493 that now or later but happy we 7986 03:55:54,493 --> 03:55:55,160 are residents will want to know 7987 03:55:55,160 --> 03:55:55,861 what the process is to make 7988 03:55:55,861 --> 03:55:56,562 sure that they are exempt from 7989 03:55:56,562 --> 03:55:59,131 the tax If they do meet 7990 03:55:59,131 --> 03:56:01,531 the qualifications of having 7991 03:56:06,471 --> 03:56:06,772 their own family in their home 7992 03:56:06,772 --> 03:56:07,739 . 7993 03:56:07,739 --> 03:56:08,340 I have a link to I know I'm 7994 03:56:08,340 --> 03:56:08,907 the business tax program 7995 03:56:08,907 --> 03:56:09,641 manager with the city 7996 03:56:09,641 --> 03:56:12,945 Treasurer's office So yes we do 7997 03:56:12,945 --> 03:56:13,645 have a current exemption where 7998 03:56:13,645 --> 03:56:14,346 the family member if a family 7999 03:56:14,346 --> 03:56:17,946 was living in the property we 8000 03:56:18,283 --> 03:56:18,884 have the exemption from we 8001 03:56:18,884 --> 03:56:21,284 require to some certain 8002 03:56:23,421 --> 03:56:24,123 documents for example like a 8003 03:56:24,123 --> 03:56:24,790 proof of residence which could 8004 03:56:24,790 --> 03:56:28,390 be like a bill utility bill. 8005 03:56:28,427 --> 03:56:29,610 There's also the amount that 8006 03:56:29,610 --> 03:56:29,461 that the property is being 8007 03:56:29,461 --> 03:56:31,461 rented for. 8008 03:56:34,333 --> 03:56:35,000 So that's we rented that land 8009 03:56:35,000 --> 03:56:38,000 and in their owners owner's 8010 03:56:38,137 --> 03:56:38,704 expense So if it's for a profit 8011 03:56:38,704 --> 03:56:41,104 then it's not exempt. 8012 03:56:42,674 --> 03:56:43,408 But there's a specific formula 8013 03:56:43,408 --> 03:56:47,146 we use to exempt the homes and 8014 03:56:47,146 --> 03:56:47,612 that will continue to run with 8015 03:56:47,612 --> 03:56:48,279 it very quickly. 8016 03:56:48,279 --> 03:56:51,279 And now we're talking about 8017 03:56:51,650 --> 03:56:52,490 multiple exemptions at the same 8018 03:56:52,490 --> 03:56:52,717 time. 8019 03:56:52,717 --> 03:56:53,285 So to make sure so 8020 03:56:53,285 --> 03:56:55,685 the exemption that was 8021 03:56:56,155 --> 03:56:56,888 referenced there and and 8022 03:56:56,888 --> 03:56:57,488 the Treasurer can correct me if 8023 03:56:57,488 --> 03:56:59,888 I'm wrong there they're 8024 03:57:01,327 --> 03:57:02,610 referring to the exemption from 8025 03:57:02,610 --> 03:57:02,594 the rental business rental unit 8026 03:57:02,594 --> 03:57:04,594 business tax, right? 8027 03:57:05,930 --> 03:57:06,699 So we've got the exemptions and 8028 03:57:06,699 --> 03:57:09,990 exemptions for this but 8029 03:57:11,303 --> 03:57:12,370 the nuances of being able to be 8030 03:57:12,370 --> 03:57:15,370 exempt from the rental business 8031 03:57:15,875 --> 03:57:16,308 tax that we're just spoken to 8032 03:57:16,308 --> 03:57:16,675 as well. 8033 03:57:16,675 --> 03:57:17,760 >> Okay. 8034 03:57:17,760 --> 03:57:17,443 Understood. 8035 03:57:17,443 --> 03:57:19,443 Thank you. 8036 03:57:20,746 --> 03:57:21,213 I appreciate that. 8037 03:57:21,213 --> 03:57:22,181 Got it. 8038 03:57:22,181 --> 03:57:23,480 So this is that I just read it 8039 03:57:23,480 --> 03:57:25,918 knowing that if there is a 8040 03:57:25,918 --> 03:57:26,519 homeowner who does have their 8041 03:57:26,519 --> 03:57:27,252 children coming home for 8042 03:57:27,252 --> 03:57:27,953 the summer or you know, parents 8043 03:57:27,953 --> 03:57:31,553 coming in to help a grandchild 8044 03:57:32,240 --> 03:57:32,625 care that will they will be 8045 03:57:32,625 --> 03:57:33,291 able to use the existing 8046 03:57:33,291 --> 03:57:35,940 exemptions and lohud to make 8047 03:57:35,940 --> 03:57:35,894 sure that they're exempt from 8048 03:57:35,894 --> 03:57:36,362 this tax when their home is 8049 03:57:36,362 --> 03:57:37,163 literally empty. 8050 03:57:37,163 --> 03:57:39,899 If it is empty you'd be a 8051 03:57:39,899 --> 03:57:40,365 different discussion. 8052 03:57:40,365 --> 03:57:41,133 Okay, Thank you. 8053 03:57:41,133 --> 03:57:44,270 I appreciate that very much and 8054 03:57:44,270 --> 03:57:45,370 I appreciate everyone who has 8055 03:57:45,370 --> 03:57:45,638 weighed in on this since There 8056 03:57:45,638 --> 03:57:46,338 are people who have very 8057 03:57:46,338 --> 03:57:48,738 different opinions back and 8058 03:57:49,642 --> 03:57:50,476 forth. 8059 03:57:50,476 --> 03:57:51,143 But you know, we are in 8060 03:57:51,143 --> 03:57:54,313 the middle of a real housing 8061 03:57:54,313 --> 03:57:54,947 crisis here in San Diego and I 8062 03:57:54,947 --> 03:57:55,613 do believe that big policy 8063 03:57:55,613 --> 03:57:58,130 decisions like this deserve 8064 03:57:59,285 --> 03:58:00,190 public input And I do support 8065 03:58:00,190 --> 03:58:00,753 giving voters a chance to weigh 8066 03:58:00,753 --> 03:58:03,688 in on the empty homes ballot 8067 03:58:03,688 --> 03:58:04,523 measure. 8068 03:58:04,523 --> 03:58:05,324 I've heard from too many local 8069 03:58:05,324 --> 03:58:08,324 San Diego families who are 8070 03:58:08,694 --> 03:58:09,295 struggling to find housing that 8071 03:58:09,295 --> 03:58:12,295 they can afford and it's 8072 03:58:12,898 --> 03:58:13,599 reasonable to ask whether a 8073 03:58:13,599 --> 03:58:14,233 vacant second home should be 8074 03:58:14,233 --> 03:58:15,100 part of that conversation. 8075 03:58:15,100 --> 03:58:17,937 But I do appreciate that this 8076 03:58:17,937 --> 03:58:18,671 ballot measure includes 8077 03:58:18,671 --> 03:58:21,710 important protections for other 8078 03:58:21,173 --> 03:58:21,874 San Diego families who are 8079 03:58:21,874 --> 03:58:22,541 using their second homes to 8080 03:58:22,541 --> 03:58:26,141 house their own family or to 8081 03:58:26,712 --> 03:58:27,480 house their own parents who are 8082 03:58:27,480 --> 03:58:28,147 coming in to make sure they can 8083 03:58:28,147 --> 03:58:28,481 care for grandchildren other 8084 03:58:28,481 --> 03:58:30,481 things. 8085 03:58:31,516 --> 03:58:32,118 So since it would not apply to 8086 03:58:32,118 --> 03:58:32,818 homes occupied by family 8087 03:58:32,818 --> 03:58:33,451 members or properties that are 8088 03:58:33,451 --> 03:58:36,189 vacant through no fault of 8089 03:58:36,189 --> 03:58:36,922 the owner including military 8090 03:58:36,922 --> 03:58:39,322 deployment disaster anything or 8091 03:58:41,270 --> 03:58:41,661 inheriting a home suddenly due 8092 03:58:41,661 --> 03:58:42,395 to a death in the family. 8093 03:58:42,395 --> 03:58:45,995 I do think that this was 8094 03:58:46,980 --> 03:58:46,799 crafted in a way to make sure 8095 03:58:46,799 --> 03:58:47,634 that it only applies to truly 8096 03:58:47,634 --> 03:58:50,970 vacant homes and this is about 8097 03:58:50,970 --> 03:58:51,537 transparency and democracy And 8098 03:58:51,537 --> 03:58:52,271 I believe that letting 8099 03:58:52,271 --> 03:58:55,274 the voter decide how we address 8100 03:58:55,274 --> 03:58:55,842 our housing challenges is 8101 03:58:55,842 --> 03:58:56,542 appropriate and right. 8102 03:58:56,542 --> 03:58:57,243 And I think that the goals of 8103 03:58:57,243 --> 03:59:00,843 this are very important And so 8104 03:59:01,581 --> 03:59:01,981 I will be supporting it today. 8105 03:59:01,981 --> 03:59:02,348 Thank you. 8106 03:59:02,348 --> 03:59:02,748 All right. 8107 03:59:02,748 --> 03:59:03,415 Thank you. 8108 03:59:03,415 --> 03:59:04,150 Council member Velma Alpert. 8109 03:59:04,150 --> 03:59:04,483 We'll go back to Council member 8110 03:59:04,483 --> 03:59:05,451 Campion. 8111 03:59:05,451 --> 03:59:06,152 Thank you. 8112 03:59:06,152 --> 03:59:06,852 Council PRESIDENT Respectfully 8113 03:59:06,852 --> 03:59:10,323 sir, you and I are both bound 8114 03:59:10,323 --> 03:59:10,990 by the attorney client 8115 03:59:10,990 --> 03:59:11,724 privilege as members of this 8116 03:59:11,724 --> 03:59:14,724 body regarding the legal advice 8117 03:59:15,561 --> 03:59:16,262 we are given So I'm unable to 8118 03:59:16,262 --> 03:59:18,697 respond to your assertion that 8119 03:59:18,697 --> 03:59:19,165 you just made without violating 8120 03:59:19,165 --> 03:59:21,165 that privilege. 8121 03:59:24,204 --> 03:59:27,804 >> I'll just repeat the line I 8122 03:59:28,741 --> 03:59:29,776 said in my comments We should 8123 03:59:29,776 --> 03:59:31,911 rely on the analysis not just 8124 03:59:31,911 --> 03:59:34,311 the conclusions to make 8125 03:59:36,883 --> 03:59:37,417 responsible decisions. 8126 03:59:37,417 --> 03:59:38,151 >> All right. 8127 03:59:38,151 --> 03:59:40,551 I appreciate that clarification 8128 03:59:42,210 --> 03:59:42,789 Not seeing anybody else but I'm 8129 03:59:42,789 --> 03:59:46,389 sorry just on my very briefly 8130 03:59:49,495 --> 03:59:50,163 my apologies Certainly the city 8131 03:59:50,163 --> 03:59:50,964 attorney as the deputy city 8132 03:59:50,964 --> 03:59:54,000 attorney is on this case As I 8133 03:59:54,000 --> 03:59:56,400 pointed out, are diligent, 8134 03:59:58,805 --> 04:00:00,805 competent and dedicated. 8135 04:00:03,309 --> 04:00:04,110 Just to reiterate, I asked for 8136 04:00:04,110 --> 04:00:04,511 a robust memo that went into 8137 04:00:04,511 --> 04:00:06,511 some depth. 8138 04:00:08,547 --> 04:00:09,249 You can see my comments at 8139 04:00:09,249 --> 04:00:09,648 rules as to what that was 8140 04:00:09,648 --> 04:00:10,450 asking for. 8141 04:00:10,450 --> 04:00:10,950 That is what I have not 8142 04:00:10,950 --> 04:00:12,950 received. 8143 04:00:16,122 --> 04:00:16,433 Thank you. 8144 04:00:16,433 --> 04:00:16,823 Okay. 8145 04:00:16,823 --> 04:00:17,524 Fair enough. 8146 04:00:17,524 --> 04:00:18,224 I'm tired of reading things in 8147 04:00:18,224 --> 04:00:20,894 the paper that are not what we 8148 04:00:20,894 --> 04:00:21,461 meant but how they get 8149 04:00:21,461 --> 04:00:22,950 interpreted and that's 8150 04:00:22,950 --> 04:00:22,462 the sandbox that we're all 8151 04:00:22,462 --> 04:00:24,462 stuck in. 8152 04:00:25,765 --> 04:00:26,199 So I appreciate your 8153 04:00:26,199 --> 04:00:26,866 clarification. 8154 04:00:26,866 --> 04:00:27,534 So with that I don't see 8155 04:00:27,534 --> 04:00:30,534 anybody else in the lights. 8156 04:00:30,837 --> 04:00:31,538 We have a motion by council 8157 04:00:31,538 --> 04:00:34,538 member Ella Rivera that moves 8158 04:00:35,774 --> 04:00:36,509 the staff recommendation with 8159 04:00:36,509 --> 04:00:37,209 the authorization for himself 8160 04:00:37,209 --> 04:00:39,946 council member Olivia to sign 8161 04:00:39,946 --> 04:00:40,680 and file a written ballot 8162 04:00:40,680 --> 04:00:41,281 argument in favor of the ballot 8163 04:00:41,281 --> 04:00:43,681 measure for inclusion in 8164 04:00:44,818 --> 04:00:45,518 the voter pamphlet and was 8165 04:00:45,518 --> 04:00:45,919 seconded by Council PRESIDENT 8166 04:00:45,919 --> 04:00:47,919 Pro Tem Lee. 8167 04:00:49,389 --> 04:00:50,890 Clerk Please call the roll I'm 8168 04:00:50,890 --> 04:00:53,890 sorry the voting system Please 8169 04:01:02,735 --> 04:01:03,403 cast your vote that passes 8 to 8170 04:01:03,403 --> 04:01:04,700 1 with Councilmember Campos 8171 04:01:04,700 --> 04:01:04,604 voting no Thank you Council 8172 04:01:04,604 --> 04:01:06,604 PRESIDENT All right. 8173 04:01:07,574 --> 04:01:09,574 >> Thank you. 8174 04:01:13,113 --> 04:01:13,713 And with that final vote and 8175 04:01:13,713 --> 04:01:14,381 final action we will now 8176 04:01:14,381 --> 04:01:17,381 adjourn council to the next 8177 04:01:17,818 --> 04:01:18,484 regularly scheduled council 8178 04:01:18,484 --> 04:01:21,484 meeting on Monday MARCH 9th, 8179 04:01:23,190 --> 04:01:25,190 2026 at 10 A.M..