[6:44] and
[8:44] will
[13:42] get one.
[13:43] >> All right.
[13:47] Good morning, everyone.
[13:48] >> We're going to get started.
[13:49] I will now call the city
[13:49] council meeting of Tuesday,
[13:53] JUNE 30th, 2026 to order Clerk
[13:54] please call the roll.
[13:54] >> Thank you.
[13:55] Council PRESIDENT Council
[13:59] member Campbell.
[14:05] Council Member Campbell I do
[14:05] thank you.
[14:06] Council Member Whipper here
[14:11] Council Member Foster Council
[14:12] Zimmerman Labor Council
[14:13] PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee Council
[14:15] Member Campos here Council
[14:16] Member Moreno Council member
[14:17] Ella Rivera and Council
[14:22] PRESIDENT LaCava present Also
[14:22] attending the meeting our city
[14:23] Attorney Heather Ferber,
[14:24] Independent budget analyst
[14:28] Charles Mollica Council Affairs
[14:28] Advisor in the Mayor's office
[14:29] Curtis Eisner myself for City
[14:30] Clerk Diana Fuentes thank you.
[14:33] Council PRESIDENT All right.
[14:33] Thank you, City Clerk a quorum
[14:34] is now present.
[14:35] We will begin this morning with
[14:35] the land acknowledgment and
[14:36] the pledge of Allegiance let by
[14:37] council member camp.
[14:48] >> You We respectfully
[14:48] acknowledge that
[14:49] the communication are
[14:49] the original inhabitants of
[14:54] the Unceded land now known as
[14:55] San Diego.
[14:55] Despite the horrors of genocide
[14:56] and colonization, the community
[14:59] spirit remains unbroken.
[15:00] We honor the resilience of
[15:01] their ancestors who fought to
[15:02] protect their culture and land
[15:06] and today they carry their
[15:07] legacy forward ensuring that
[15:07] their traditions continue to
[15:08] thrive and gratitude and
[15:11] strength We stand with
[15:12] the culmination connected to
[15:13] our past and committed to a
[15:13] thriving future.
[15:18] Please space to flag and of
[15:18] your heart.
[15:18] Ready Begin.
[15:23] I pledge allegiance to the flag
[15:23] of the United States of America
[15:24] and to the Republic for which
[15:28] it stands One nation under GOD
[15:29] indivisible with liberty and
[15:33] justice for all.
[15:40] With that with that thought,
[15:41] please go over how the public
[15:41] can offer their testimony.
[15:42] Thank you.
[15:46] I'd like to highlight the slide
[15:46] on the screen that reveals how
[15:47] the public can offer their
[15:48] public testimony during today's
[15:48] meeting.
[15:49] Please note the time
[15:51] allocations for proclamations
[15:52] and consent items for meeting
[15:53] management purposes of one
[15:56] minute per item three minutes
[15:57] max for three or more items
[15:57] the order can be found on
[15:58] the agenda Summary found online
[16:03] or at the table in the back of
[16:03] the room.
[16:04] If you are in person please
[16:04] complete the speaker stipulated
[16:05] at the entrance of chambers and
[16:08] bring it to the front of
[16:08] the room in the clear box.
[16:09] Council ambassadors are
[16:10] available near the entrance of
[16:10] chambers and can assist with
[16:14] questions and speaker slips.
[16:14] No further in-person testimony
[16:15] will be taken once the council
[16:16] begins Virtual testimony Thank
[16:20] you Council PRESIDENT All
[16:20] right.
[16:21] Thank you for that To the clerk
[16:21] With that we will now dispense
[16:22] with the approval of
[16:25] the proclamation items.
[16:26] Clerk Please proceed with
[16:26] public comment.
[16:27] Thank you.
[16:27] The public library for
[16:28] the proclamations item is now
[16:31] open each speaker will have one
[16:32] minute per item per person.
[16:33] If you would like to speak on
[16:33] three or more items you'll have
[16:34] a maximum of three minutes.
[16:38] Proclamation items being
[16:39] approved are items 3332 at 500
[16:42] 5a1 and five before we did
[16:43] receive comments on item 31 in
[16:47] favor of your comment for which
[16:48] I've been distributed to
[16:48] the Council.
[16:49] We do have quite a number of
[16:54] speakers here for proclamations
[16:55] .
[16:55] If we can start with Jacob
[16:56] Lewis Edwards You're speaking
[16:59] on items 3032 and s5o1 If I can
[16:59] have the following individuals
[17:00] please come up to the yellow
[17:05] reserved seats at the front of
[17:05] the room.
[17:06] Mahalo Lenny Ariel Arriola if
[17:06] you can please come forward.
[17:11] Ron Lewis allegedly Audra
[17:17] Cushing, Lynn Elliot and
[17:18] Claudia Huang if you can please
[17:18] all come forward to the yellow
[17:19] reserved seats and please
[17:22] proceed.
[17:23] Good morning, COUNCILMAN And
[17:29] women Everybody in chambers.
[17:30] So I'm going to go over item 30
[17:34] and 32.
[17:34] Item five final one.
[17:39] Item 30 is a recognition a
[17:39] month of recognition for San
[17:40] Diego lgbtq Pride Month.
[17:45] >> That is great.
[17:45] That's awesome.
[17:51] Proclaiming JUNE 7th to be as
[17:51] three coffee bar 10th
[17:52] anniversary day.
[17:56] That's also that's really good
[17:57] and a city attorney recognition
[18:02] day now we go over a lot of
[18:03] recognition days and that is
[18:08] wonderful What's going on in
[18:09] our city folks as genocide This
[18:14] is well known If you look at a
[18:15] YouTube clip I spoke right here
[18:16] at this microphone Jacob
[18:20] Edwards speaks since that
[18:21] YouTube clip where you'll see
[18:27] my speech and I stood right
[18:27] here speaking to you all city
[18:32] council which transpired was a
[18:33] deal by the Federal Reserve
[18:33] families to cut with
[18:34] the Chinese to wipe out their
[18:38] debt of trillions and included
[18:38] a deal of genocide to occur to
[18:39] wipe out the best Our country
[18:44] has recruited from
[18:45] the Department of Homeland
[18:45] Security's database.
[18:46] >> We've lost a lot of lives in
[18:51] this country right here is
[18:52] the epicenter of it having a
[18:52] hard time dealing with this.
[18:56] But I ask why aren't we
[18:57] confronting this?
[18:57] Why isn't this discussed?
[19:02] People are given jobs
[19:03] assignments.
[19:03] People are given carrots.
[19:08] People are afraid.
[19:09] I have not once heard anybody
[19:15] in this community standing up
[19:15] like I do speaking loudly
[19:16] against it.
[19:21] It's well known I mentioned to
[19:21] somebody about the genocide
[19:22] yesterday and the guy started
[19:27] going into details of
[19:27] the operations thinking My GOD,
[19:33] this is more well known than I
[19:33] thought.
[19:34] Why isn't this discussed Folks,
[19:38] you are elected officials.
[19:39] You stand up for us as our
[19:44] elected officials for
[19:44] the people, by the people And
[19:45] that's what this country is
[19:50] about, folks not genocide, not
[19:51] Chinese taking over our country
[19:56] for a debt The Federal Reserve
[19:57] families owe them for trouble
[19:58] We were going through in our
[19:58] country They were going to
[20:02] appear to swoop in as our
[20:03] saviors but cut a deal of
[20:08] genocide.
[20:09] Folks, we need to start
[20:09] discussing this.
[20:10] I say we need to start standing
[20:14] up for ourselves.
[20:15] We need to start standing up
[20:16] for each other and start
[20:17] standing up for our country and
[20:24] the future of our country.
[20:25] >> Let's start discussing this
[20:25] Your time has concluded and
[20:26] standing up for ourselves and
[20:31] our country That's a good
[20:32] example of actually not talking
[20:32] to the proclamation items not
[20:33] agenda Public comment I do.
[20:36] Yeah we can talk about anything
[20:37] within the city's purview.
[20:37] Let's be respectful to members
[20:38] of the public.
[20:42] You don't have to be respectful
[20:42] possibly be respectful of those
[20:43] who come to the chambers this
[20:43] morning.
[20:44] >> Thank you.
[20:47] Mahalo.
[20:48] >> You're speaking on item 30.
[20:53] You'll have one minute on
[20:54] behalf of the center.
[20:54] Thank you.
[20:59] Council members for recognizing
[21:00] Pride Month visibility This
[21:01] visibility is vital to
[21:05] confronting discrimination and
[21:06] ensuring everyone feels
[21:07] accepted to live authentically
[21:11] despite the federal
[21:12] government's Despite
[21:12] the federal government's
[21:13] attempts at taking away our
[21:18] progress especially from our
[21:18] trans and non-binary community.
[21:23] It is beautiful to see my local
[21:24] government fight against those
[21:24] attempts.
[21:25] The city support makes San
[21:30] Diego feel safe, welcoming and
[21:30] a place to be proud of.
[21:31] Your leadership is deeply
[21:35] appreciated.
[21:36] I look forward to seeing
[21:36] the city advance towards true
[21:39] equity for the lgbtq community
[21:39] .
[21:48] >> Thank you Ron Luis you have
[21:48] demonstrated by Jeanette Amato
[21:51] did raise your hand.
[21:51] >> Thank you.
[21:52] You'll have two minutes.
[21:58] Please proceed.
[21:58] Thank you.
[21:59] Council PRESIDENT McCarver and
[21:59] Councilmember Campbell for
[22:03] proclaiming JUNE 2026 to be
[22:04] Alzheimer's and bring awareness
[22:09] about in the city of San Diego
[22:10] .
[22:11] As you heard my name is Ron
[22:11] Lewis.
[22:12] I currently serve as the board
[22:12] chair for the Alzheimer's
[22:13] Association of San Diego in
[22:16] Imperial County And on behalf
[22:16] of our chapter we are very
[22:17] honored and grateful to accept
[22:18] this proclamation from the city
[22:22] of San Diego Recognizing this
[22:23] month JUNE as the Alzheimer's
[22:24] and Brain Awareness Month this
[22:28] recognition so impactful and
[22:29] important because of the nearly
[22:29] 7 million Americans age 65 and
[22:34] older living with Alzheimer's
[22:34] disease Data has shown also
[22:35] that more than 75,000 of those
[22:40] Americans and those living in
[22:41] San Diego so that's caregivers
[22:46] Alzheimer's brain awareness
[22:47] Month was created to bring
[22:47] awareness to and honor those
[22:48] individuals as well as many
[22:52] more millions of friends and
[22:53] family members who are caring
[22:53] for someone living with
[22:54] the disease The Alzheimer's
[22:58] Association leads the way to
[22:59] end Alzheimer's and all other
[23:00] forms of dementia by
[23:00] accelerating global research
[23:04] driving risk reduction and
[23:05] early detection Here at home we
[23:06] support our community by
[23:10] conducting educational programs
[23:11] for caregivers and people who
[23:11] recently received an
[23:15] Alzheimer's diagnosis over
[23:16] the past 12 months our chapter
[23:17] has been able to provide free
[23:18] resources and support through
[23:22] our educational programs and
[23:27] support groups to $65 to 6500
[23:28] individuals in our local
[23:28] community.
[23:29] We're proud to offer these
[23:30] educational programs throughout
[23:33] San Diego in both English and
[23:34] in Spanish And we do host our
[23:39] annual walk to end Alzheimer's
[23:40] .
[23:41] >> And once again we'd like to
[23:41] thank you so much City of San
[23:46] Diego for recognizing JUNE as
[23:46] Alzheimer's Brain Awareness
[23:47] Health Month and we hope
[23:51] hopeful and confident that
[23:52] through our efforts one day
[23:52] will bring an end to
[23:52] Alzheimer's.
[23:53] >> Thank you.
[24:00] Allegedly all is beginning his
[24:00] 3500.
[24:01] >> As for everyone and as I go
[24:02] forward you'll have three
[24:02] minutes.
[24:08] Please proceed.
[24:09] >> You guys, we're all in this
[24:09] together like hostages, right?
[24:13] That's good.
[24:13] Yes.
[24:14] And I know what I'm going to
[24:19] say is going to be twisted and
[24:20] I'll be gaslit for it but
[24:25] that's okay because I come from
[24:26] a perspective where the truth
[24:26] matters and there's things that
[24:30] aren't addressed in these
[24:31] proclamations that should be
[24:32] like with Alzheimer's.
[24:32] My mother died of dementia with
[24:37] dementia and we don't really
[24:38] talk about the actual causes of
[24:38] these things and the detriment
[24:43] to heavy metals and things like
[24:44] fluoride too in our brain and
[24:49] our ability to function And
[24:50] when you know it's coming from
[24:51] the air, the water, the food
[24:56] and injections and so you know
[24:56] you guys promote those types of
[24:57] things and yet you say that you
[25:02] want to have awareness with
[25:02] that.
[25:03] So I think we should be aware
[25:03] that these things cause that
[25:06] and then anything to do with
[25:07] attorneys it's like they have a
[25:13] global allegiance through
[25:14] the British registry here.
[25:15] So it's like I mean obviously
[25:19] that is a problem and we're
[25:20] paying a city attorney to be up
[25:21] here and protect the city while
[25:25] they go after the people you
[25:26] know, like people who lost
[25:26] everything in a storm.
[25:32] So and then with this pride and
[25:32] the lgbtq plus my problem is as
[25:37] a victim of a pedophile, this
[25:38] is honoring maps which is minor
[25:39] attracted persons and it is on
[25:44] the pride progress flag And as
[25:44] a victim that's terrifying to
[25:50] me because you know that's
[25:50] talking about the rape of
[25:51] children And it's concerning
[25:55] that we are glorifying that as
[25:56] a sexual preference and
[25:56] especially people who have
[25:57] children.
[26:01] i don't understand the Russian
[26:02] roulette that's played with
[26:03] children like people think that
[26:07] their child is untouchable.
[26:08] But this is why it continues
[26:09] because the man that was
[26:12] abusing me for nine years was a
[26:12] victim himself.
[26:13] So he was a victim that became
[26:18] a predator because you don't
[26:19] when you're ten years old
[26:20] sexually assault babies unless
[26:24] you learned that behavior
[26:25] because you were yourself a
[26:26] victim And then you become
[26:33] the victimizer because nobody
[26:33] wants to talk about this stuff
[26:39] And and that is what is so
[26:40] nefarious because you shouldn't
[26:45] make victims feel like they are
[26:45] unwanted by promoting somebody
[26:51] who has sex with them, which
[26:52] that's what they say.
[26:52] But it again is rape.
[26:53] You can't have sex with
[26:53] the child.
[26:57] We have Scott Wiener who people
[26:57] support and he's the one who
[27:01] puts in bills who say if you're
[27:02] ten years apart that you can
[27:02] consent And that would mean
[27:06] that I could consent as a five
[27:07] year old for this man to groom
[27:07] me.
[27:08] >> And as I'm wearing a skirt
[27:11] he's putting on a garter How
[27:12] special is that official?
[27:12] >> And Eliot, you're speaking
[27:17] on item 32.
[27:18] Please proceed.
[27:18] Good morning.
[27:19] Council PRESIDENT, council
[27:24] members and members at the San
[27:24] Diego community.
[27:25] My name is Caitlin Elliott.
[27:26] She her her pronouns and I'm an
[27:29] executive director for San
[27:30] Diego Pride on behalf of San
[27:31] Diego Pride thank you so much
[27:31] for this proclamation.
[27:35] Recognizing Pride Month and
[27:36] the Resilience Contributions
[27:41] and Humanity of lgbtq People
[27:41] across our city.
[27:45] In just two weeks more than
[27:46] 250,000 people will gather for
[27:47] San Diego Pride Parade and
[27:47] Festival to celebrate
[27:52] the beauty and diversity of our
[27:52] community.
[27:53] I invite everyone that can hear
[27:54] my voice to come and sign on
[27:57] with us and gobble up our Canon
[27:58] Hillcrest.
[27:58] Together we will honor those
[27:59] who came before us celebrate
[28:03] who we are today and inspire
[28:04] the future that we are building
[28:04] together.
[28:05] The call to protect equality
[28:09] defend human dignity and ensure
[28:09] every lgbtq person can live
[28:15] openly and safely belongs to
[28:15] all of us every day of
[28:16] the year.
[28:16] So thank you for standing with
[28:22] our community and we look
[28:22] forward to celebrating with
[28:23] you.
[28:27] Claudia Call you one if I can
[28:28] come to the microphone then
[28:29] David Smith please come up to
[28:34] the other reserved seats.
[28:35] Claudia you have people filling
[28:36] your time.
[28:36] Shall we call them to come?
[28:39] Please raise your hand, Shall
[28:39] we?
[28:40] >> Well, I'm sorry if I'm
[28:40] misstating your name.
[28:44] Please raise your hand and then
[28:45] Hector Davis.
[28:45] Thank you.
[28:48] You'll have three minutes to
[28:49] talk on item 32.
[28:49] Good morning, Council members.
[28:54] First of all, thank you so much
[28:54] for having us here.
[28:55] My name is Claudia and I'm here
[28:56] to represent my family and
[29:00] everybody from s3 Coffee Bar.
[29:05] We are so honored for this
[29:06] proclamation And ten years ago
[29:06] me and my sisters opened this
[29:12] coffee shop for my mom and
[29:12] Grabell San Diego.
[29:13] We were trying to create a
[29:17] welcoming space for people to
[29:18] kind of just talk and hang out
[29:18] with our own neighbors because
[29:23] we didn't see that then ten
[29:24] years ago.
[29:28] But every now ten years from
[29:29] now we never imagine
[29:29] the incredible community that
[29:30] we have built in that area.
[29:34] And we are incredibly lucky to
[29:35] have such good neighbors first
[29:40] responders, local schools,
[29:40] local organizations that have
[29:41] supported us throughout this
[29:42] whole entire time.
[29:46] I don't think that's what's
[29:46] going to be possible.
[29:47] You know and everybody that had
[29:48] walked in through the doors to
[29:52] support us, we are incredibly
[29:53] lucky.
[29:53] Thank you so much for this
[29:54] proclamation.
[29:59] Thank you.
[29:59] David Smith David Smith, you
[30:00] have Daniel Smith asking your
[30:00] time.
[30:03] Please raise your hand and you
[30:04] please raise your hand.
[30:04] Thank you.
[30:05] Thank you.
[30:06] And Daniel Smith, please raise
[30:10] your hand.
[30:11] >> You'll have three minutes.
[30:11] Please proceed.
[30:12] Thank you.
[30:13] Good morning, Council members.
[30:16] My name is David Smith and
[30:17] the ceo of Eldorado Properties
[30:17] in the Great Lakes community.
[30:18] On behalf of my family that are
[30:23] here this morning, I'd like to
[30:23] thank the Council for
[30:24] the proclamation celebrating
[30:25] today JUNE 30th as Eldorado
[30:28] Properties Day in the city of
[30:29] San Diego as we celebrate our
[30:29] 40th anniversary.
[30:34] Celebrating anniversaries are
[30:35] no short milestone and we
[30:36] believe that the 40th year of
[30:36] operations serving San Diego
[30:40] and the mission Valley area
[30:41] helping families find homes and
[30:41] businesses find places to to
[30:46] work and to thrive.
[30:47] It's been a great honor.
[30:47] We would like to furthermore
[30:48] think elsewhere Capital for his
[30:52] tireless work and incredible
[30:53] community and just the general
[30:53] betterment of District seven.
[30:58] He's a true champion of
[30:59] the City Council as many of you
[30:59] are for our great city.
[31:00] So we thank you for
[31:01] the proclamation and look
[31:04] forward to many more years of
[31:05] our families Business thriving
[31:05] to come.
[31:06] >> Thank you.
[31:06] Thank you.
[31:07] That does conclude public
[31:10] comment on proclamations here
[31:10] in council chambers I'm sorry
[31:11] the five minute timer going to
[31:12] those participating remotely
[31:17] starting with Blair Beekman If
[31:18] you can please email and let me
[31:18] know which item or items you
[31:23] wish to speak to.
[31:28] >> I'm Blair Beekman Happy
[31:29] student Your last day of
[31:29] the month to everyone I wanted
[31:34] to speak to the items let me
[31:34] get my board here.
[31:35] Item 30.
[31:39] Item 32 An item as final for
[31:40] about three minutes.
[31:45] >> Please proceed.
[31:45] Thank you.
[31:50] I guess it's a speak to lgbtq
[31:51] Pride month.
[31:52] Congratulations that it's here.
[31:57] I've been living in here one of
[31:58] the past few years and they
[31:59] have a great pride parade at
[32:02] the end of JUNE.
[32:03] They just had it this past
[32:04] Saturday.
[32:08] There it was easily over You
[32:09] know, 1500 people in the parade
[32:09] in the MARCH big all around
[32:14] the downtown area And it's a
[32:14] big festival.
[32:15] It's really nice here.
[32:20] And so I've been learning just
[32:21] that it's a good event and I've
[32:26] been enjoying it here And so I
[32:27] just wanted to mention that
[32:28] good luck and how we can think
[32:31] of our good value systems in
[32:36] Gay Pride Month.
[32:38] I wanted to comment on also as
[32:41] I'm 32 the coffee bar
[32:42] Congratulations to the coffee
[32:42] bar.
[32:47] I wanted to note that I've been
[32:48] living in Tijuana off and on
[32:48] for the past few years now.
[32:51] I've been very much enjoying it
[32:52] .
[32:52] The cafes here and the coffee
[32:53] is mostly usually always
[32:58] organic coffee usually from
[32:59] corpus area and a note to our
[33:03] American coffee and cafe bars
[33:04] that are using organic coffee.
[33:05] It's a lot healthier and it
[33:09] just makes your body feel much
[33:09] more comfortable and better
[33:14] good looking in American cafes
[33:15] using organic coffee more
[33:15] often.
[33:20] >> And finally I'm sure as it's
[33:21] free coffee, does our organic
[33:22] choices sound like a good bar?
[33:25] I hope we can help.
[33:26] And with items Bible for
[33:27] Alzheimer's Brain Awareness
[33:35] Month I wanted to comment on I
[33:36] guess you know to say it I grew
[33:36] up actually in my 20s.
[33:40] i'm in my late 50s now in my
[33:40] 20s I was labeled as
[33:41] schizophrenic and I fought hard
[33:45] to get out of that label And to
[33:46] me Alzheimer's is kind of
[33:49] the other end of the scale of
[33:50] that in some ways and sometimes
[33:51] there's a lot of chemical
[33:54] reactions that are happening in
[33:55] one's brain.
[33:56] There is also just a mind frame
[34:00] in how we share our social
[34:01] space and communication
[34:05] together that tends to promote
[34:06] such things as Alzheimer's and
[34:06] schizophrenia.
[34:07] We have to be I mean that's why
[34:11] a part of the reason I sit up
[34:11] here every week trying to speak
[34:12] so clearly on good
[34:16] communication If we have good
[34:16] clear communication with each
[34:17] other, that's what ends
[34:17] Alzheimer's.
[34:21] That's what end schizophrenia.
[34:21] But we purposely put up walls,
[34:26] boundaries and guardrail walls
[34:27] that we don't talk to ourselves
[34:28] more often good about how we
[34:28] just communicate better with
[34:31] each other.
[34:32] It's really important and I'm
[34:33] really sorry about the recent
[34:37] lgbtq events that happened up
[34:37] in Hillcrest.
[34:38] Surveillance video caught
[34:43] the people who were causing
[34:43] problems.
[34:44] >> I want to talk to public
[34:44] comment time more about
[34:45] the subject.
[34:45] I thank you.
[34:48] Thank you.
[34:48] Next is Jennifer Watson.
[34:49] If you can please let me know
[34:50] which item or items you wish to
[34:52] speak to.
[34:58] Academy for you You will have
[34:59] to unmute.
[34:59] >> There you go.
[34:59] Hello.
[35:02] Yes I am I'm on item I believe
[35:08] it's 30 the lgb choose yes
[35:08] he'll have one minute Please
[35:09] proceed I'm I just think that
[35:13] of course everyone is free to
[35:14] live their own way but what I
[35:17] do not think is appropriate is
[35:18] how they parade themselves
[35:22] through the streets in doing
[35:23] just disgusting sexual things
[35:27] Like I can't say oh well you
[35:28] can't be this but I if I can
[35:32] get arrested for doing improper
[35:33] sexual things out there like
[35:38] pulling down my pants are going
[35:39] to the bathroom on the street I
[35:40] don't believe that these people
[35:43] should be out there parading
[35:48] these what they do their their
[35:48] sexual orientation and it's
[35:49] disgusting.
[35:52] It's okay to be gay but it's
[35:53] disgusting And I don't think
[35:57] that we should have a whole
[35:58] month to to advertise that kind
[36:03] of garbage to our children.
[36:04] I mean you guys need to get
[36:04] your head straight and realize
[36:08] you gay is gay but that that
[36:09] kind of parading and disgusting
[36:13] this throughout our streets
[36:14] that's on it's that your time
[36:15] has concluded 8700 if you can
[36:17] please unmute the five minute
[36:18] timer has also concluded there
[36:19] are two speakers in the queue
[36:22] No additional speakers will be
[36:23] taken 8700 Please let me know
[36:24] which item or items you wish to
[36:28] speak to.
[36:32] Yes 3501 and 504 please.
[36:35] >> Yes I think you'll have two
[36:36] minutes please Pressing Oh I'm
[36:36] sorry.
[36:37] >> Did you say three?
[36:40] Please proceed.
[36:40] Thank you.
[36:44] 30 San Diego lgbtq Plus Pride
[36:49] Month There is a rainbow right
[36:50] there in that acronym.
[36:50] I just discovered that last
[36:53] night.
[36:54] It always thrills me that when
[36:58] I look at the natural world I
[36:59] see an infinite abundant
[37:04] rainbow of variety everywhere.
[37:04] Let's join together and
[37:08] celebrate the beautiful
[37:09] tapestry of San Diego woven
[37:14] into all of life.
[37:17] Love to all as 501 Senior
[37:18] Deputy City Attorney John
[37:22] Taylor Gay I haven't Met You
[37:22] Senior Deputy City Attorney
[37:28] Taylor yet I am wowed by these
[37:36] numbers in litigation 85.2
[37:36] million recovery help the city
[37:41] collect over $250 million in t
[37:45] or t revenue for the people of
[37:45] San Diego.
[37:51] I wish we could give you back a
[37:55] percentage on all the mass.
[37:59] Thank you and also a big thank
[38:00] you to the work of the entire
[38:01] office of the city attorney You
[38:05] are always in the background
[38:06] forefront supporting the rule
[38:10] of law which is the foundation
[38:10] of our democracy.
[38:15] We appreciate it and value all
[38:16] of you at the office of
[38:16] the City Attorney.
[38:20] We love you all.
[38:20] Thank you.
[38:21] You know I'm going to go for
[38:24] I'm going to tell you a story a
[38:28] beautiful story For many years
[38:28] 12 or more I had a massage
[38:32] client and she was well already
[38:33] into her 80s when I started
[38:37] with her and she developed
[38:42] Alzheimer's early on And so I,
[38:42] I saw her every week
[38:43] practically And so I
[38:44] established quite a
[38:47] relationship with her and saw
[38:48] her process And toward the end
[38:52] she didn't know me anymore And
[38:57] her daughter.
[38:58] So we talked about and her
[38:59] daughter said I want you to
[39:02] keep coming.
[39:03] And she felt Mary felt
[39:04] comfortable with me coming And
[39:07] you know what I discovered
[39:11] There was a spirit in us.
[39:12] It never ages it I discovered
[39:16] it in Mary.
[39:17] She didn't know me but she knew
[39:20] her life.
[39:21] She did.
[39:22] And I just wanted to share that
[39:25] with you that it's a difficult
[39:25] journey.
[39:26] I know that for parents and
[39:27] children and everything but
[39:30] never give up on the spirit of
[39:30] life.
[39:31] It's always there.
[39:35] It's unchanging.
[39:35] Thank you so much.
[39:36] I celebrate all the voices
[39:40] speaking today.
[39:40] Let's stick together.
[39:41] Okay.
[39:41] Love to all time has concluded
[39:44] Judy Strong If you can please
[39:45] unmute after that our last
[39:49] speaker is Amanda.
[39:50] >> Good morning City Council I
[39:53] would like to speak to item
[39:54] five for I'm glad for this
[39:58] opportunity to have a map
[39:59] focused on Alzheimer's and
[39:59] brain awareness.
[40:03] I sometimes feel that they
[40:04] should be very much separated
[40:08] because brain and Alzheimer's
[40:08] and other types of debilitating
[40:13] diseases that affect the brain
[40:13] and to a certain extent
[40:14] traumatic brain injury sort of
[40:17] seem like they have their own
[40:18] awareness and then those issues
[40:22] associated with the development
[40:23] of the brain and how important
[40:28] it is to be sensitive about
[40:28] this development of young
[40:29] people growing into a young
[40:32] adult and to do the best to
[40:32] protect their brain.
[40:36] And I was reminded of the old
[40:37] adage a mind is a terrible
[40:37] thing to waste.
[40:41] This is very much a part of
[40:42] the 1970s and it's still in
[40:46] play now And I would remind us
[40:50] all that we know that at ages
[40:51] 12 to 25 this is specifically a
[40:55] risky time for young people to
[40:55] smoke, vape or consume
[40:56] marijuana because the brain is
[40:58] developed over time has
[40:58] concluded.
[41:03] Amanda if you can please unmute
[41:04] please let me know which item
[41:08] or items you wish to speak to.
[41:11] Yeah I am speaking that item 31
[41:12] and 32 two minutes.
[41:16] >> Please proceed.
[41:17] I just wanted to say I love
[41:21] when we celebrate the heroes of
[41:22] our community and we give voice
[41:23] to underrepresented groups with
[41:26] these proclamations.
[41:27] I love it and warms my heart
[41:28] Sense of community Love it,
[41:31] love it.
[41:35] However I am 31 and 32 or
[41:36] celebrating a real estate
[41:40] agency and a coffee bar.
[41:41] I would just like to say that
[41:42] when I was a small business
[41:45] owner I like many other small
[41:46] businesses, paid thousands of
[41:50] dollars and invested many hours
[41:51] into marketing in the hope of
[41:51] getting just a few leads and
[41:54] drumming up just a bit of
[41:55] business.
[41:55] I wish they would have known
[41:59] that all I had to do was cozy
[42:00] up to Raul Campo so I could get
[42:00] city wide marketing on
[42:04] the taxpayer's dime.
[42:04] Raul I don't think this helps
[42:05] you beat the charges that you
[42:09] have allowed developers to
[42:09] ravage your district for
[42:13] instance the two thing the two
[42:13] single family lots next door to
[42:16] my stepdad that were replaced
[42:17] by a 26 unit development with
[42:22] no parking required as much as
[42:22] I support small businesses and
[42:23] I think our city council should
[42:26] do the same I don't think this
[42:27] is an appropriate use of our
[42:28] tax dollars and hope you guys
[42:28] can find a better way to
[42:32] support small business.
[42:32] >> Thanks.
[42:33] That does conclude public
[42:33] comment on the proclamation.
[42:36] I guess all right.
[42:36] Thank you, City Clerk.
[42:37] And with that we'll turn it
[42:38] over to council members for
[42:39] comments and entertain a motion
[42:41] and we'll start with Council
[42:42] Member Campo Thank you Council
[42:43] PRESIDENT And thank you to
[42:43] the members of the public for
[42:46] your participation today I'll
[42:46] move approval of
[42:47] the proclamations start briefly
[42:51] Absolute Lee thrilled to
[42:52] support San Diego lgbtq plus
[42:53] Pride Month Proclamation Thank
[42:56] my colleagues for bringing that
[42:57] forward.
[42:57] I cannot wait to join everyone
[42:58] on this dais at the annual
[42:59] Pride Parade in a couple of
[43:00] weeks.
[43:01] I've said it before and I'll
[43:02] say it again Pride in San Diego
[43:05] is so much more special since
[43:06] we have the entire summer to
[43:07] celebrate it both in JUNE and
[43:08] JULY so that we can acknowledge
[43:11] the contributions of the lgbtq
[43:11] Plus community to San Diego
[43:12] whether it was serving in
[43:16] the military, serving in
[43:17] government, in education, law
[43:20] enforcement, the arts sciences
[43:20] and medicine small and big
[43:21] business hospitality and
[43:25] tourism, civil rights and civic
[43:26] advocacy.
[43:26] And while many in power MAY be
[43:27] trying to set the lgbtq plus
[43:31] community back, nothing can
[43:31] hold us back in that pursuit
[43:32] for justice and equality.
[43:34] So happy pride San Diego and
[43:35] I'm proud to support that.
[43:39] I will also be speaking to two
[43:39] items that I'm bringing
[43:39] forward.
[43:40] I'm honored to celebrate two
[43:41] amazing businesses that are
[43:44] reaching a very nice milestone
[43:45] sions from the Grant
[43:46] neighborhood both of which were
[43:46] in chamber here today.
[43:48] First congratulations to El
[43:48] Dorado Properties on
[43:49] celebrating their 40 years of
[43:52] serving San Diego since its
[43:53] founding four decades ago In
[43:54] JUNE of 1986 this family owned
[43:57] business has built a legacy of
[43:57] integrity and professionalism
[43:58] and long term investment in our
[44:01] neighborhoods helping
[44:02] generations of families and
[44:02] putting down roots for
[44:03] businesses.
[44:07] Eldorado Properties has been a
[44:08] cornerstone of the Navajo and
[44:08] Granville communities not only
[44:09] through property management and
[44:12] real estate services but
[44:12] helping shape the area in many
[44:16] years passed their leadership
[44:17] in the long term Granville
[44:18] rezoning effort and their
[44:20] commitment to thoughtful
[44:21] redevelopment have helped
[44:22] position these neighborhoods
[44:22] for continued growth and
[44:26] opportunity.
[44:26] There are working class and low
[44:27] income San Diego who have a
[44:30] home they can afford in our
[44:31] city because the Smith family
[44:31] saw a better future for
[44:35] Granville years before people
[44:36] started talking about it.
[44:37] So I want to thank them Daniel,
[44:39] Danielle and David and
[44:40] the entire Eldorado Properties
[44:41] team for your commitment to
[44:41] revitalizing our community
[44:44] projects like
[44:45] the transformation of the long
[44:46] vacant property on Fairmont
[44:46] Avenue into thriving homes and
[44:49] local small businesses
[44:49] demonstrate that positive
[44:50] impact that community minded
[44:51] leadership can serve.
[44:54] So for those decades of service
[44:54] and investment and partnership
[44:55] I thank them.
[44:56] But I also want to point out
[44:59] this the Smith family has also
[45:00] put so much time and effort
[45:00] into representing the Navajo
[45:04] community as board members of
[45:05] the Navajo Planning Group and
[45:05] to the cpc as well.
[45:06] There are few families that
[45:08] have put so much time into
[45:09] volunteering and balancing
[45:10] the needs of diverse
[45:10] communities of businesses and
[45:13] residents like they have.
[45:14] They truly know every road in
[45:15] the community, every sidewalk
[45:18] and park every canyon and
[45:19] the history that comes from
[45:19] that.
[45:20] So I congratulate them on this
[45:20] historic milestone and wish
[45:23] them continued success And one
[45:24] day soon we'll get the Alvarado
[45:28] Creek realignment done.
[45:28] And next I'm honored to
[45:29] celebrate s-3 Coffee Bar on
[45:32] their 10th anniversary, Claudio
[45:33] conquered said it better than I
[45:34] ever could she and her family
[45:37] and the entire s-3 coffee bar
[45:38] team are celebrating ten years
[45:38] of exceptional service and one
[45:39] of District Seven's most
[45:42] welcoming gathering places
[45:42] regularly packed with college
[45:43] students sitting next to
[45:46] seniors who are sitting next to
[45:47] families who are sitting next
[45:48] to folks who own their own home
[45:48] sitting next to folks who live
[45:50] in permanent supportive housing
[45:51] .
[45:51] They serve everyone who's their
[45:52] neighbor no matter what.
[45:56] So what began as a neighborhood
[45:57] coffee shop in Granville is now
[45:58] a true community institution.
[46:01] You don't just grab a coffee
[46:02] there, you meet your neighbors
[46:02] and friendships are formed
[46:05] there And it's one of my
[46:05] favorite places to hold a
[46:06] coffee with Campo Town Hall.
[46:09] So they've helped redefine
[46:10] the character of Granville by
[46:11] creating this warm and inviting
[46:13] space and I congratulate them
[46:14] on their 10th year in service
[46:15] And I know there's just many
[46:19] more decades to come.
[46:19] That concludes my motion.
[46:20] Council PRESIDENT All right.
[46:21] Thank you, sir.
[46:23] So we have a motion by council
[46:24] member Camp Hill to move.
[46:25] The proclamations will go next
[46:28] to Council member Kimball Thank
[46:29] you Council PRESIDENT And I
[46:30] would first like to
[46:33] congratulate everyone who's
[46:34] receiving a plaque and every
[46:37] group receiving a project and I
[46:38] would like to second
[46:38] the motion.
[46:41] I would like to speak on item
[46:42] 30 and item s5o4 And I want to
[46:46] thank Mayor Mayor Todd Gloria
[46:46] and all council members
[46:47] Whitburn and Von Wilpert for
[46:50] joining me in bringing forward
[46:54] this proclamation for Pride
[46:55] declares JULY 2026 is San Diego
[46:59] lgbtq Pride Month in the City
[47:00] of San Diego and we will be
[47:04] celebrating all month.
[47:05] This is truly there is nothing
[47:09] as wonderful as joy and the joy
[47:10] of pride in San Diego is
[47:15] fabulous 250,000 San Diegans
[47:20] gay and straight of all creeds,
[47:24] all colors show up to enjoy
[47:25] the celebration of pride And
[47:26] this is celebrated because for
[47:30] so long as Audra mentioned
[47:31] things like this were not even
[47:35] mentioned And it's very
[47:35] important that we not have
[47:36] these kinds of things as
[47:36] secrets.
[47:39] We need to know what really
[47:40] exists in the world and that
[47:44] it's okay As a gay person I can
[47:45] tell you how I struggled with
[47:49] this because I'm 81 years old
[47:50] so I can tell you that it took
[47:53] me a long time to accept myself
[47:54] but I was born this way and
[47:55] Lady Gaga said it and she was
[48:00] right.
[48:01] We are being our authentic
[48:05] selves and we want everyone to
[48:06] be their authentic self no
[48:07] matter what kind of self they
[48:07] are.
[48:13] We are accepting in this
[48:14] community especially in San
[48:17] Diego has provided safety,
[48:18] acceptance and refuge for
[48:19] countless people seeking
[48:22] the freedom to live as their
[48:23] authentic selves.
[48:23] The progress we celebrate today
[48:27] was fought for by generations
[48:28] of advocates and leaders who
[48:32] paved the way for us as we
[48:32] gather this year we recognize
[48:33] that many of the rights and
[48:36] freedoms we fought for are now
[48:37] being challenged.
[48:37] Yet our community continues to
[48:41] do what it has always done.
[48:42] We will show up with
[48:46] resilience, courage and joy
[48:47] because even joy is an act of
[48:51] resistance.
[48:52] We must never allow anyone to
[48:53] take away our ability to love,
[48:55] to be happy or to be exactly
[49:00] who we are.
[49:01] I also would like to speak on
[49:02] Item s5 Over for Alzheimer's
[49:04] and Brain Awareness Month.
[49:05] It is so important to continue
[49:06] to acknowledge the suffering
[49:09] that Alzheimer's disease can
[49:10] cause not only among our older
[49:14] population who suffer from it
[49:15] but from the families and
[49:16] the caregivers who help those
[49:19] who have this terrible disease
[49:20] .
[49:20] We praise the scientific
[49:24] medical research that can
[49:25] continue to find causes and
[49:29] treatment for this.
[49:33] And as of 2025 there were
[49:34] 75,000 San Diego and as Ron
[49:34] said, who are living with
[49:38] Alzheimer's disease.
[49:39] Many family members of
[49:39] the people with Alzheimer's are
[49:43] so affected they often have to
[49:44] leave their jobs to give full
[49:48] time unpaid care to the loved
[49:48] one with Alzheimer's by
[49:49] recognizing and Alzheimer's and
[49:53] brain Awareness Month, we're
[49:53] reaffirming San Diego's
[49:57] commitment to supporting people
[49:58] affected by Alzheimer's and
[49:58] other dementias and
[50:02] the importance of continued
[50:03] research so that we can improve
[50:04] the means of diagnosis and
[50:07] hopefully find a cure.
[50:08] >> Thank you, Council
[50:08] PRESIDENT.
[50:09] All right.
[50:13] Thank you.
[50:14] So we have a motion by
[50:14] Councilmember Campo and a
[50:15] second by council member
[50:15] Campbell.
[50:16] We'll go next to our city
[50:18] attorney.
[50:18] Thank you.
[50:19] Council PRESIDENT.
[50:20] I'd like to speak on item s5o1
[50:20] today.
[50:23] It is my honor to recognize
[50:23] the remarkable career and
[50:24] service of John Taylor.
[50:27] For more than 19 years John
[50:28] Taylor has served the city of
[50:28] San Diego as a deputy city
[50:32] attorney with great dedication.
[50:33] John is retiring after more
[50:35] than 34 years in the legal
[50:36] profession building a legacy
[50:40] defined by professionalism,
[50:41] diligence and integrity.
[50:42] He is a lifelong San Diegan.
[50:45] He grew up in University City
[50:46] in La Hoya attending Marie
[50:46] Curie Elementary, La Hoya
[50:49] Country de Maryland's Junior
[50:50] High and La Hoya High School.
[50:54] Throughout his tenure with
[50:55] the city attorney's office,
[50:55] John represented the city with
[50:56] great skill and tenacity for
[50:59] the majority of the cases he
[51:00] handled.
[51:00] John represented the city as a
[51:01] plaintiff in contract disputes
[51:04] and complex construction
[51:05] litigation frequently going up
[51:06] against well-funded companies
[51:09] and their big law attorneys
[51:09] through negotiations and
[51:10] litigation with online travel
[51:14] companies and short term rental
[51:14] platforms.
[51:15] John also helped the city
[51:15] collect millions in transient
[51:19] occupancy tax revenue.
[51:19] But beyond the numbers, what
[51:20] stands out most is the way John
[51:23] showed up in the office And for
[51:24] his colleagues who mentioned
[51:25] his mentorship, his
[51:28] collaborative spirit and his
[51:29] commitment to public service.
[51:30] His presence has helped shape a
[51:33] positive positive culture and
[51:33] the city attorney's office that
[51:34] will continue long after his
[51:34] retirement.
[51:38] And of course John is not
[51:38] walking this path alone.
[51:39] He deeply appreciate
[51:42] the support of his colleagues
[51:43] and his family and friends.
[51:44] Here with John are his wife
[51:44] Tammy and his parents.
[51:49] John at home his two children
[51:49] couldn't be here but I know
[51:50] they're cheering him on in
[51:50] spirit.
[51:52] I'm happy to celebrate senior
[51:53] Deputy City Attorney John
[51:53] Taylor Day and the city of San
[51:54] Diego.
[51:55] Congratulations, John and thank
[52:19] you for your service.
[52:20] Now John, I know you're kind of
[52:21] shy and it's hard for you to
[52:24] take all this at elation, but
[52:25] give us a couple of words.
[52:25] Yeah.
[52:29] Thank you so much for the warm
[52:29] words.
[52:30] City Attorney Ferber and
[52:31] Council member Von Wilpert for
[52:34] also sponsoring the commission.
[52:35] First I'd like to congratulate
[52:35] everyone else who got
[52:36] proclamation today.
[52:39] That's a big deal.
[52:40] I want to thank Tammy and my
[52:40] parents for being here because
[52:43] Tammy went on this journey with
[52:43] me.
[52:44] >> We got married after my
[52:45] first year in law school and
[52:45] she's been there for the whole
[52:46] ride throughout it.
[52:49] And my book club guys, I am
[52:49] surprised that they're all
[52:50] here.
[52:50] These are guys who I went to
[52:53] junior high and high school
[52:54] with and so we're together and
[52:54] it's fun.
[52:58] And lastly I want to thank you
[52:58] know, I couldn't have done all
[52:59] this without the team And that
[53:00] team is the city attorney's
[53:03] office.
[53:04] And so a special thanks to my
[53:04] current secretary Sue Benson
[53:08] who's been with me for probably
[53:08] 10 or 11 years Danielle Posset
[53:09] who's my paralegal.
[53:13] She'd been with me for about 15
[53:13] years and currently Eric and
[53:14] Grandy.
[53:17] And actually Sean Brown is here
[53:18] who was my investigator for 11
[53:18] years.
[53:18] He retired in 2019.
[53:22] So this is a special day.
[53:23] >> It is the coolest thing
[53:23] ever.
[53:41] And thank you so much.
[53:42] >> All right.
[53:42] Thank you for that.
[53:43] And we'll go next to council
[53:44] member weapon.
[53:46] Thank you very much.
[53:46] Council PRESIDENT.
[53:47] I want to thank our council
[53:48] PRESIDENT And Councilmember
[53:50] Campbell for bringing forward
[53:51] the proclamation recognizing
[53:51] Alzheimer's and Brain Awareness
[53:52] Month.
[53:56] Alzheimer's disease affects
[53:57] thousands of San Diego families
[53:57] and I want to thank all
[53:59] the organizations like
[54:00] the Alzheimer's Association and
[54:01] others that support these
[54:05] families who are often
[54:06] caregiving for a loved one at
[54:06] home.
[54:10] There has been a lot of
[54:11] impressive breakthroughs in
[54:11] treatment recently, but there
[54:12] is so much more to do in terms
[54:15] of research and I appreciate
[54:16] everybody who is working so
[54:16] hard to support that.
[54:21] Thank you to the mayor and my
[54:22] colleagues for bringing forward
[54:22] the proclamation congratulating
[54:25] Council General R.D. De Castro
[54:25] for his outstanding work as
[54:26] honorary Consul General of
[54:26] the Philippines.
[54:30] Now more than ever, diplomacy
[54:31] is necessary to not only
[54:34] establish strong bilateral
[54:35] relations but also to
[54:36] understand and support the many
[54:36] nationalities that call our
[54:39] city home.
[54:40] We're lucky to have a great
[54:41] example of this Consul General
[54:44] de Castro.
[54:45] I do appreciate the city
[54:45] attorney and Councilmember Vogt
[54:46] Wilpert for bringing forward
[54:49] the recognition for a deputy
[54:50] city attorney John Taylor Day.
[54:50] I would like to congratulate
[54:53] MR. Taylor on 19 years at
[54:54] the city.
[54:54] Thank you for your service and
[54:58] enjoy your retirement.
[54:58] Now let me thank everybody who
[54:59] is here for the proclamation
[55:03] recognizing San Diego lgbt
[55:03] Pride Month.
[55:04] Over the years the lgbtq
[55:07] community has made great
[55:08] progress in our journey toward
[55:09] equality and that is especially
[55:12] true here in San Diego.
[55:13] I am proud that we have a mayor
[55:14] and three council members who
[55:17] are members of the lgbtq
[55:18] community.
[55:18] In fact the district that I
[55:19] represent has been represented
[55:22] by a member the lgbtq community
[55:23] since 1993.
[55:27] Chris Kehoe was elected to
[55:28] represent this district 33
[55:29] years ago followed by Toni
[55:29] Atkins.
[55:33] Todd Gloria and Chris Ward
[55:33] before me.
[55:34] Maybe the district that has
[55:37] been most extensively
[55:37] represented by a member of
[55:38] the lgbtq community in our
[55:42] country.
[55:42] Just as importantly, I am proud
[55:43] that every single one of my
[55:47] colleagues on this council who
[55:47] do not have the good fortune of
[55:48] being members of the lgbtq
[55:51] community are staunch allies of
[55:52] our community.
[55:52] They are vocal supporters of
[55:56] the lgbtq community.
[55:57] They attend community events
[55:58] and they are part of the reason
[56:01] why San Diego is one of
[56:02] the most lgbtq friendly cities
[56:02] in the nation.
[56:05] I am grateful to them.
[56:06] I'm also grateful to all of
[56:07] you.
[56:07] You are also a big part of
[56:10] the reason why this is such an
[56:11] lgbt friendly city.
[56:12] Thank you to all of you who
[56:12] represent organizations that
[56:15] serve the lgbtq community.
[56:16] The Center say Diego Pride
[56:19] The Imperial Court, all of our
[56:20] city employees who are members
[56:21] of the lgbtq community and so
[56:24] many more to collaborate.
[56:25] Ramirez, who is one of our
[56:29] community's trailblazers, is
[56:30] here to call, was a co-founder
[56:31] of San Diego Pride more than a
[56:31] half century ago.
[56:34] I think 1974 if I'm not
[56:35] mistaken.
[56:35] He's here with this year's
[56:39] Pride titleholders.
[56:40] We had a ceremony honoring them
[56:40] a short time ago.
[56:44] It's particularly important
[56:45] that all of you are so visible
[56:45] and I'm grateful that my
[56:49] colleagues are vocal during
[56:49] these times.
[56:50] I mentioned the progress
[56:53] the community has made but we
[56:54] have a long way to go around
[56:54] the world.
[56:58] Same sex relationships remain
[56:59] illegal in more than 60
[57:00] countries and in nearly a dozen
[57:00] of them.
[57:04] Being gay is punishable by
[57:04] death.
[57:05] It's hard to wrap your head
[57:06] around that this day and age.
[57:09] But in nearly a dozen countries
[57:09] being gay is punishable by
[57:10] death.
[57:10] And here at home we continue to
[57:13] see efforts to dehumanize and
[57:13] discriminate against our
[57:14] transgender siblings.
[57:18] We continue to see things like
[57:19] the eggs thrown at members of
[57:19] the lgbtq community in
[57:22] Hillcrest.
[57:23] A couple of weekends ago we had
[57:24] somebody a year or two ago come
[57:28] by and shoot pellet guns at
[57:29] people standing outside
[57:29] the bars there.
[57:30] I'm just sick and tired of that
[57:32] folks.
[57:33] These were teenagers a couple
[57:33] of weekends ago who should know
[57:34] better.
[57:37] From what I know they are
[57:37] generally bright kids who went
[57:41] to really good schools.
[57:42] And here they are throwing eggs
[57:46] at members of the lgbtq
[57:47] community.
[57:47] I'm glad they were caught and I
[57:48] hope that somebody talk some
[57:51] sense into them.
[57:52] And of course at the national
[57:53] level the lgbtq community is
[57:56] seeing its rights chipped away
[57:57] by this federal administration,
[58:01] by the Supreme Court and a
[58:01] ruling that was announced
[58:02] today.
[58:02] So as we celebrate say Diego
[58:06] Pride, we can be grateful at
[58:10] the progress that we have made
[58:11] and grateful that we live in
[58:11] such an lgbt friendly city as
[58:12] San Diego.
[58:15] But also be motivated to fight
[58:19] for the rights of our community
[58:20] ,the rights of our community
[58:20] and every community.
[58:21] Thank you.
[58:25] Council PRESIDENT Wright Thank
[58:25] you Council member Whitburn.
[58:26] We'll go next to Council member
[58:29] Isla Rivera.
[58:29] >> All right.
[58:30] Thank you.
[58:31] Council PRESIDENT Um thank you
[58:34] to everyone who came out here
[58:35] who's been recognized and is
[58:39] supporting those who are being
[58:39] recognized this morning.
[58:42] I'll start with item 30.
[58:43] Appreciate councilmembers
[58:46] Campbell Whitburn and Van
[58:47] Wilpert bringing forward
[58:51] the San Diego lgbtq pride Month
[58:52] Proclamation in partnership
[58:56] with Mayor Gloria.
[58:57] I appreciate your comments.
[59:02] COUNCILMAN Whitburn I always
[59:02] appreciate the acknowledgment
[59:03] of allyship and your
[59:07] recognition of it and I think
[59:07] I've been really proud to be
[59:12] part of a council where we've
[59:12] been united in demonstrating
[59:14] our support for the community
[59:20] and it it's striking to me that
[59:25] you we say things like
[59:29] the advance of civil rights
[59:30] can't be taken for granted.
[59:34] We talk about arc of history
[59:35] bending toward justice but that
[59:36] not necessarily being linear
[59:39] and this definitely feels like
[59:39] one of those moments And even
[59:40] the conversation this morning I
[59:43] think I heard more rhetoric
[59:48] that was not just ignorant but
[59:49] hateful toward the lgbt
[59:54] community than I've heard in
[59:54] previous years And that
[59:58] certainly is a is a warning
[59:59] signal of why it's so important
[59:59] for us to stand in solidarity,
[1:00:03] in support of people being who
[1:00:04] they are.
[1:00:04] COUNCILMAN Campbell, thank you
[1:00:08] for sharing your your story And
[1:00:12] I couldn't be more proud to
[1:00:13] serve with you all.
[1:00:14] I couldn't be more proud of
[1:00:14] the way that San Diego
[1:00:17] celebrates pride for anyone
[1:00:18] who's actually been out there
[1:00:22] with the exception of those who
[1:00:22] are being hateful.
[1:00:26] It is one of the most family
[1:00:30] friendly, celebratory just
[1:00:31] positive events that I've ever
[1:00:35] been a part of anywhere.
[1:00:36] It feels like love and I think
[1:00:40] it's the exact sort of thing we
[1:00:41] should want more of in this
[1:00:44] city, not less of.
[1:00:45] And so I'm glad we're where
[1:00:49] we're doing what we're doing
[1:00:50] today and we'll be doing what
[1:00:51] we'll be doing over the next
[1:00:54] month And I'm not going to
[1:00:55] apologize for that and I don't
[1:00:59] think anyone should.
[1:01:00] Last but not least thank you to
[1:01:04] MR. Taylor for your service to
[1:01:04] the city.
[1:01:05] I very much appreciate
[1:01:09] everything you've done for us.
[1:01:13] I appreciate fan section you
[1:01:14] brought with you today and
[1:01:18] the enthusiasm they've shown.
[1:01:19] That was a lot of fun.
[1:01:19] Thank you for everything you've
[1:01:20] done.
[1:01:20] Oh, sorry.
[1:01:23] One one last thing I wanted to
[1:01:24] say thank you to council member
[1:01:25] council PRESIDENT Club and
[1:01:27] Councilor Campbell for I
[1:01:27] continue to recognize
[1:01:28] Alzheimer's and brought Brand
[1:01:29] Awareness Month.
[1:01:29] i think this is something
[1:01:31] you've done for multiple years
[1:01:32] now and the special calling out
[1:01:33] of the caregivers who are such
[1:01:37] an important part of that I've
[1:01:38] shared before I've watched my
[1:01:41] mom take care of family who's
[1:01:42] who's been who's struggled with
[1:01:43] dementia and Alzheimer's And it
[1:01:47] is it is such an enormous task.
[1:01:51] It requires incredible amount
[1:01:52] of care and love.
[1:01:53] And anyone who's watched a
[1:01:56] loved one battle these ailments
[1:01:57] knows how hard that is for
[1:02:02] everyone who who's for everyone
[1:02:05] who's around those people And
[1:02:06] continuing to make efforts to
[1:02:11] prevent and potentially cure
[1:02:12] those ailments is something
[1:02:12] that we should continuously
[1:02:16] strive for and I appreciate you
[1:02:17] all continuing to bring
[1:02:18] awareness to it And with that
[1:02:18] council PRESIDENT Concludes my
[1:02:19] comments.
[1:02:21] Thank you.
[1:02:21] >> All right.
[1:02:22] Thank you, Council member Ella
[1:02:22] Rivera.
[1:02:23] We'll go next to Council
[1:02:26] PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee Council
[1:02:27] PRESIDENT I'll speak to items
[1:02:29] 30 is 500 and 5a1 on item 31 to
[1:02:30] thank Mayor Gloria
[1:02:31] Councilmembers Campbell
[1:02:31] Whitburn and Van Wilpert for
[1:02:34] bringing forward this
[1:02:35] proclamation.
[1:02:35] I'm honored to support
[1:02:36] Santiago's lgbtq Plus community
[1:02:39] and to celebrate their
[1:02:40] countless contributions to
[1:02:40] the vibrancy of our city
[1:02:41] whether it's through historic
[1:02:44] advocacy service to our greater
[1:02:45] community and in fighting for
[1:02:45] representation at every level
[1:02:49] of government as Council member
[1:02:50] would bring to chair.
[1:02:50] While Pride Month is certainly
[1:02:53] a meaningful time for
[1:02:54] celebration, it also serves as
[1:02:55] a reminder that the fight for
[1:02:58] equality, dignity and inclusion
[1:02:59] continues and especially given
[1:02:59] the growing and brazen efforts
[1:03:00] of our federal administration
[1:03:03] to roll back protections and
[1:03:03] rights.
[1:03:04] I think it's more important
[1:03:05] than ever that we stand with
[1:03:08] our lgbtq plus neighbors in
[1:03:09] fighting against hatred and
[1:03:09] discrimination.
[1:03:13] Santiago is proud to be a city
[1:03:14] that values inclusion and
[1:03:14] belonging where every person
[1:03:15] should be able to live openly,
[1:03:18] safely and as their true
[1:03:19] authentic self.
[1:03:19] My team and I always look
[1:03:20] forward to participating in
[1:03:23] several standing upright events
[1:03:24] each year particularly light up
[1:03:25] the Cathedral, the Spirit of
[1:03:25] Stonewall Rally and of course
[1:03:29] the Pride parade.
[1:03:29] >> So I want to thank all
[1:03:30] the advocates, kumu
[1:03:31] organizations, community
[1:03:34] leaders and more who continue
[1:03:34] to make San Diego a welcoming
[1:03:35] place for all and look forward
[1:03:36] to celebrating pride with many
[1:03:39] of you in the months ahead.
[1:03:39] Next moving to item s500.
[1:03:44] I'm honored to bring forward a
[1:03:45] proclamation and to be joined
[1:03:46] by some of my colleagues in
[1:03:49] recognizing Audie DeCastro for
[1:03:50] his outstanding service and
[1:03:50] leadership as the Honorary
[1:03:53] Consul for the Philippines in
[1:03:54] San Diego since 2014.
[1:03:55] And I would note that as a
[1:03:59] volunteer role that he's played
[1:04:00] for more than a decade, we're
[1:04:00] ought to strengthen
[1:04:01] the relationship between San
[1:04:03] Diego and the Philippines
[1:04:04] fostering cultural
[1:04:05] understanding, economic
[1:04:05] partnerships and meaningful
[1:04:06] connections between our
[1:04:09] communities.
[1:04:10] He's been a dedicated advocate
[1:04:10] for the Filipino and Filipino
[1:04:15] American community of more than
[1:04:15] 200,000 residents throughout
[1:04:16] our region where he provides
[1:04:19] support and resources to
[1:04:19] countless residents while also
[1:04:20] creating opportunities for
[1:04:21] civic engagement and community
[1:04:24] empowerment through initiatives
[1:04:25] such as the state of
[1:04:25] the Filipino community.
[1:04:26] He's served in many volunteer
[1:04:30] roles throughout San Diego.
[1:04:30] He's been the former PRESIDENT
[1:04:31] Of the Asian Business
[1:04:36] Association, PRESIDENT Of
[1:04:36] Filipino-American Lawyers of
[1:04:37] San Diego, former chair of
[1:04:38] the Filipino American Chamber
[1:04:40] of Commerce and he served as a
[1:04:41] member of the Board of
[1:04:42] Governors on the San Diego
[1:04:42] Foundation.
[1:04:45] And that's just to name a few.
[1:04:45] But as part of and in addition
[1:04:46] to running his own law firm, he
[1:04:50] also fought for justice whether
[1:04:50] through voting rights or to
[1:04:51] ensure that those who are
[1:04:55] the most vulnerable are not
[1:04:56] forgotten.
[1:04:56] He helped to found Pagosa Law
[1:04:57] Clinic which provides free or
[1:05:00] low cost legal services for
[1:05:01] members of the Filipino
[1:05:01] community particularly
[1:05:05] immigrants and vulnerable
[1:05:06] populations facing immigration,
[1:05:07] housing, domestic violence and
[1:05:11] other legal issues.
[1:05:12] San Diego is certainly stronger
[1:05:13] because of his service and
[1:05:13] the Filipino community is
[1:05:16] richer because of his
[1:05:16] volunteerism and his
[1:05:17] commitment.
[1:05:18] And so as his distinguished
[1:05:21] tenure comes to a close, we
[1:05:22] thank you for his enduring
[1:05:23] legacy of diplomacy, advocacy
[1:05:23] and public service and
[1:05:27] congratulate him on
[1:05:28] the profound impact he has made
[1:05:28] on Senegal and the Filipino
[1:05:29] community.
[1:05:33] >> And finally on se 5a1I did
[1:05:34] want to take a quick minute
[1:05:34] just to acknowledge and think,
[1:05:37] John, for his service to our
[1:05:38] community and to the city.
[1:05:38] You have often come to these
[1:05:39] chambers and let us know that
[1:05:43] there's a subpoena coming for
[1:05:44] us to appear at a at a great
[1:05:49] event that your wife Tammy has
[1:05:50] helped to put on every single
[1:05:50] year.
[1:05:51] And certainly we didn't need to
[1:05:52] send you a subpoena to get you
[1:05:54] to appear today clearly.
[1:05:55] But Tammy has helped to bring a
[1:05:56] group of second graders out
[1:05:57] every year and John helps to
[1:05:59] organize with multiple offices.
[1:06:00] And it is to me always a
[1:06:04] special opportunity each time
[1:06:05] to get young people who are
[1:06:06] here in council chambers who
[1:06:06] want to learn about how
[1:06:10] government works, whether it's
[1:06:11] the fact that we can and can't
[1:06:12] fix potholes enough of them
[1:06:16] ever streets ever to how all
[1:06:17] the different branches even our
[1:06:18] local level of government work
[1:06:22] so so thank you John for your
[1:06:23] service to the city and to
[1:06:23] the great community and we hope
[1:06:32] also get to see Tammy and your
[1:06:32] .
[1:06:33] >> And with that that concludes
[1:06:34] my comments.
[1:06:34] Thank you Council PRESIDENT All
[1:06:35] right.
[1:06:35] Thank you.
[1:06:38] Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee
[1:06:39] All my colleagues have spoken
[1:06:40] so I'll have a few comments to
[1:06:43] close it up.
[1:06:44] Thank you to my colleagues for
[1:06:45] bringing these proclamations
[1:06:45] forward.
[1:06:50] Congratulations everyone and
[1:06:50] everything is being recognized.
[1:06:51] My colleagues were so eloquent
[1:06:55] as well as the public.
[1:06:56] I'll offer a few spot comments
[1:06:57] on item 30 I kind of wasn't
[1:07:02] mentioned so I thought it was
[1:07:02] worth mentioning.
[1:07:03] My daughter is in Budapest
[1:07:04] right now and I'm sure you're
[1:07:08] well aware that Budapest had
[1:07:09] the first Pride parade in 16
[1:07:09] years because of the change of
[1:07:14] the government administration.
[1:07:15] As Councilmember Eli Rivera
[1:07:20] said, the arc of equality can
[1:07:21] bend very slowly but it can be
[1:07:21] And so never give up hope
[1:07:22] Despite what we hear sometimes
[1:07:26] these days I am 31.
[1:07:30] I met Diane Smith from ten
[1:07:31] years ago and he had one simple
[1:07:32] request Just get that channel
[1:07:37] fixed.
[1:07:37] Here we are ten years later and
[1:07:38] it's still not fixed But I know
[1:07:39] Council Member Capital is doing
[1:07:43] everything in his power to get
[1:07:43] that done.
[1:07:44] It is such a critical part of
[1:07:45] the redevelopment of Granville
[1:07:49] having grown up just up
[1:07:49] the hill in Allan Gardens I'm
[1:07:50] well aware of that challenge
[1:07:55] and as well as the roads that
[1:07:55] are necessary to really ensure
[1:07:56] that that gravel really becomes
[1:08:01] everything that it can be and
[1:08:02] such an important part of our
[1:08:02] city.
[1:08:03] Another important neighborhood
[1:08:08] added Castro item that's 500
[1:08:08] thank you council PRESIDENT
[1:08:09] Particularly for bringing that
[1:08:10] you did such an eloquent job
[1:08:13] I'll just say thank you for
[1:08:14] bringing that forward and thank
[1:08:18] you for his service And then as
[1:08:18] 501 John Taylor You know what
[1:08:19] Joy?
[1:08:19] Tonight I made that comment got
[1:08:23] a little bit of laugh.
[1:08:24] You know, I think it's actually
[1:08:24] a moment of seriousness that we
[1:08:25] often forget about those who
[1:08:29] choose public service in
[1:08:30] the city attorney's office.
[1:08:31] You know, I don't know how
[1:08:35] calculations go but if you were
[1:08:36] in private practice and you
[1:08:37] generated 2085 million in
[1:08:41] settlement, what 25 a third of
[1:08:41] that could go to attorneys fees
[1:08:46] and yet you chose public
[1:08:46] service.
[1:08:47] And so we're really grateful to
[1:08:47] you and everybody who serves in
[1:08:52] the office of the city attorney
[1:08:52] .
[1:08:53] It is such an important
[1:08:54] function that we often take a
[1:08:54] little bit too lightly.
[1:08:55] So congratulations on your
[1:08:59] retirement And then on 504 in
[1:09:05] partnership with Councilmember
[1:09:06] Campbell proclaiming JUNE 2026
[1:09:06] to be Alzheimer's and Brand
[1:09:10] Awareness Month and City of San
[1:09:11] Diego for a disease that
[1:09:11] touches so many lives, It's
[1:09:12] important to me that we
[1:09:12] highlight not only
[1:09:16] the challenge that Alzheimer's
[1:09:17] brings but also the strength
[1:09:18] and resilience of individuals,
[1:09:19] friends and family, health care
[1:09:22] providers and advocates who
[1:09:23] face those challenges every day
[1:09:24] In the state of California
[1:09:27] there are 720,000 individuals
[1:09:28] currently living with
[1:09:28] Alzheimer's and it's become
[1:09:33] the leading cause of death in
[1:09:34] adults older than 85 years old.
[1:09:37] My father was 85 when he passed
[1:09:38] away 16 years ago from
[1:09:39] complications associated with
[1:09:44] Alzheimer's While research was
[1:09:45] continue to make advances in
[1:09:46] the fight against Alzheimer's,
[1:09:46] there's still so much more work
[1:09:47] to be done.
[1:09:47] Thank you to the medical
[1:09:51] professionals, researchers,
[1:09:51] health organizations and family
[1:09:52] friends who continue to provide
[1:09:53] support to those facing
[1:09:56] the challenges of Alzheimer's
[1:09:57] their compassion, dedication
[1:09:58] and unwavering commitment to
[1:09:58] caring for those you love make
[1:10:03] a profound difference in
[1:10:03] the lives of those affected.
[1:10:04] And as I said, every time we
[1:10:08] bring this proclamation to
[1:10:09] family and friends who have no
[1:10:09] one individual who's either at
[1:10:14] risk of Alzheimer's or having
[1:10:15] those early signs, you will
[1:10:15] never know what was that last
[1:10:16] conversation you have with them
[1:10:20] before they don't recognize you
[1:10:20] anymore.
[1:10:21] So love them, hug them,
[1:10:25] appreciate them every day
[1:10:26] because that will be that one
[1:10:27] moment where they're suddenly
[1:10:27] not there and not recognize
[1:10:28] you.
[1:10:32] So I think about that often
[1:10:33] with my father that I don't
[1:10:34] know what the last time I had a
[1:10:39] conversation where he actually
[1:10:39] recognized who I was or he
[1:10:40] recognized his wife or my
[1:10:44] sister going forward.
[1:10:45] What a tragic, tragic disease.
[1:10:45] I'm grateful for
[1:10:46] the organizations that continue
[1:10:50] to promote awareness and
[1:10:50] research.
[1:10:51] So with that we have a motion
[1:10:58] by Council member Camp you in a
[1:10:58] second by Council member
[1:10:59] Campbell I'm sorry the voting
[1:11:02] system Please cast your vote
[1:11:09] that passes initially 6 to 0
[1:11:09] with Councilmember Moreno,
[1:11:10] Councilmember von Wilber and
[1:11:11] council member Foster Absent
[1:11:14] Thank you Council PRESIDENT All
[1:11:15] right.
[1:11:15] Thank you.
[1:11:16] With that we will now pause for
[1:11:16] photos and we'll start with
[1:11:17] item 41 Eldorado Properties.
[1:13:18] So if you come up to the pit
[1:18:56] and
[1:25:10] you
[1:25:16] have everyone out there,
[1:25:27] somebody All right, let's get
[1:25:32] back to the business of
[1:25:33] the morning.
[1:25:33] We will now proceed with
[1:25:34] the approval of the consent
[1:25:37] items.
[1:25:38] Are there any request to pull
[1:25:39] an item off consent Not see any
[1:25:43] request by my colleagues?
[1:25:44] >> clerk Please proceed with
[1:25:44] public comment.
[1:25:48] Please note each speaker will
[1:25:49] have one minute per item per
[1:25:49] person.
[1:25:50] If you would like to speak on
[1:25:50] three or more items you will
[1:25:53] have a maximum of three
[1:25:53] minutes.
[1:25:54] The consent agenda includes
[1:25:58] items 1052 54 103 1 or 2 as 502
[1:25:59] and as 503 We did receive
[1:26:02] comments on items 53 and three
[1:26:02] oppose an item 1 or 2 one
[1:26:07] opposed we are e comment form
[1:26:08] which have been distributed to
[1:26:08] the Council.
[1:26:09] We do have speakers here in
[1:26:12] council chambers started with
[1:26:13] starting with Jacob Lewis
[1:26:15] Edwards speaking on I was 42
[1:26:16] s5o2 and s503 Please come
[1:26:16] forward to the mic You'll have
[1:26:17] three minutes And then we have
[1:26:22] allegedly Audra with 1 or 2 1
[1:26:22] to 1 5051 5253 and 100.
[1:26:27] Please proceed again.
[1:26:27] Good morning COUNCILMAN.
[1:26:32] I'm women and I am going to
[1:26:33] stay on subject matter that are
[1:26:36] so item 52 amendment to
[1:26:40] the salary ordinance the 27th
[1:26:47] fiscal year now amending the 27
[1:26:47] fiscal budget is going to be
[1:26:48] very important.
[1:26:51] It is going to be necessary
[1:26:56] Also item s5o2 ordinance
[1:26:56] amending Chapter two relating
[1:26:58] to post-employment health
[1:27:04] benefits for eligible employees
[1:27:09] and then item 5a3 First
[1:27:10] Amendment to the Employment
[1:27:14] Assistance Program erp Now all
[1:27:15] of these items deal with folks
[1:27:19] livelihoods, folks, livelihoods
[1:27:24] and that's a subject matter
[1:27:25] here.
[1:27:29] I consider So I'm going to talk
[1:27:30] about our livelihoods, our
[1:27:34] livelihoods are under attack.
[1:27:40] >> Our country is under attack
[1:27:41] that if we don't stand up we're
[1:27:45] in some trouble folks, what I
[1:27:45] spoke about earlier some very
[1:27:48] real stuff and council
[1:27:52] PRESIDENT It's we're going to
[1:27:53] need to stand up against this
[1:27:56] stuff.
[1:28:02] It was years ago My mom's mom's
[1:28:02] brother's position on
[1:28:03] Department of Homeland Security
[1:28:06] was hijacked by the mob.
[1:28:07] They were put on me by my
[1:28:07] family.
[1:28:11] I consider it now not the mob's
[1:28:11] fall.
[1:28:15] They were able to take the keys
[1:28:16] to our country.
[1:28:16] Why wouldn't they?
[1:28:17] I blame those in Washington dc
[1:28:20] but Chinese espionage was on
[1:28:23] the thing the entire time.
[1:28:28] What it's led to is genocide.
[1:28:29] >> Look up the YouTube clip
[1:28:31] Jacob Edwards speaks and heard
[1:28:37] briefly explains what's going
[1:28:42] on The Chinese espionage Take a
[1:28:42] look at this entire time to
[1:28:46] take our country over Federal
[1:28:47] Reserve families who owe China
[1:28:51] a lot of money cut a deal of
[1:28:52] disgust.
[1:28:52] How dare they That yeah, you
[1:28:57] can take our country over pork
[1:28:58] clear in that debt trillions We
[1:29:01] owe you most disturbing so deal
[1:29:05] a genocide that went along with
[1:29:06] it Recruited to the Department
[1:29:09] of Homeland Security's database
[1:29:10] for the best the best of our
[1:29:11] country and competition
[1:29:14] The Chinese taking our country
[1:29:15] over Folks recruited in mass
[1:29:19] numbers to convention centers
[1:29:20] right here in San Diego is
[1:29:21] the epicenter of it.
[1:29:22] I don't know how many other
[1:29:28] cities are involved.
[1:29:29] >> The genocides occurred their
[1:29:30] best the best comment allegedly
[1:29:32] Andre we'll stand up for
[1:29:32] ourselves.
[1:29:33] >> Folks must stand up against
[1:29:36] this.
[1:29:37] >> I need to do some
[1:29:42] housekeeping really quick
[1:29:42] because Sean you're twisting
[1:29:43] what I'm saying.
[1:29:44] I'm not asking you to stand
[1:29:47] against the gay or trans
[1:29:47] community.
[1:29:48] I'm asking why you're condoning
[1:29:52] pedophilia and the rape of
[1:29:53] children and why you don't
[1:29:53] stand against that and the fact
[1:29:56] that you say that you won't
[1:29:57] stand against that is very
[1:30:01] concerning because I guess as
[1:30:02] long as pedophiles are living
[1:30:03] their authentic life and
[1:30:03] they're upset, then to myself
[1:30:06] you can be inclusive and
[1:30:07] equitable all while admonishing
[1:30:11] and hating on victims for
[1:30:12] sharing assaults that are
[1:30:12] taking place.
[1:30:16] So that's extremely
[1:30:16] interesting.
[1:30:16] Okay.
[1:30:20] So you know with 50 I mean any
[1:30:21] time you guys are always
[1:30:25] updating and you know changing
[1:30:26] your codes and stuff and it's
[1:30:26] like a revolving door of
[1:30:27] changes I don't know how
[1:30:29] anybody can keep up with it
[1:30:30] with this pure water.
[1:30:31] You know, I'm wondering what
[1:30:34] kind of testing you guys have
[1:30:35] done when you are putting
[1:30:35] things like lye and chlorine
[1:30:39] and very toxic like toxic
[1:30:40] chemicals into this water as
[1:30:44] well as you know, there's
[1:30:44] sewage and different things
[1:30:45] that are still going to be left
[1:30:45] over.
[1:30:49] How do you know what the health
[1:30:49] effects are on the people or
[1:30:50] have you done testing that
[1:30:54] would prove that it is
[1:30:54] absolutely pure water, that
[1:30:55] it's healthy, that there are no
[1:30:59] health effects or is this
[1:30:59] something that's going to come
[1:31:00] down the pike and we're going
[1:31:01] to just revisit it when it
[1:31:03] comes and then you'll have some
[1:31:04] kind of mitigating plan price
[1:31:05] some vaccine or something like
[1:31:08] that And the salary ordinances
[1:31:09] let's quit giving people raises
[1:31:13] until we can really make sure
[1:31:14] we're providing stuff and we
[1:31:14] have the money to do it.
[1:31:15] You guys keep coming.
[1:31:17] Did the people who don't have
[1:31:18] any money to give other people
[1:31:22] raises It's ridiculous.
[1:31:23] And with these sole source
[1:31:24] contracts with Adam I you know
[1:31:27] I just saw Waymo driving
[1:31:27] around.
[1:31:28] I think that we need to bring
[1:31:32] in an ordinance that bans
[1:31:33] Waymo's Is that you're saying
[1:31:34] they're not going to come in
[1:31:34] here?
[1:31:34] Are we banning them?
[1:31:35] Is there something that you're
[1:31:37] going to do to make sure
[1:31:38] they're not going to be here or
[1:31:39] is that just you're not going
[1:31:39] to contract with them but
[1:31:40] they'll be able to be in
[1:31:42] the city and we need to be
[1:31:43] worrying about these data
[1:31:46] centers in ai and even goes
[1:31:47] into the power the San Diego
[1:31:51] equity campus and you know your
[1:31:52] clean energy fraud that you
[1:31:52] know you want to sit here and
[1:31:56] act like this is green energy
[1:31:57] when in fact it's totally toxic
[1:32:01] to the environment as well as
[1:32:02] human life.
[1:32:02] I mean like these busses and
[1:32:06] different things that come in
[1:32:07] and you know, the data centers
[1:32:07] taking up our fresh water.
[1:32:11] Oh well we're given the pure
[1:32:11] water right?
[1:32:12] But we don't need to test that
[1:32:15] as long as the data centers get
[1:32:15] the fresh stuff.
[1:32:16] I mean who cares what people
[1:32:17] get Just the scraps, you know,
[1:32:20] And eventually we're going to
[1:32:21] be given Soylent Green.
[1:32:21] That should be exciting.
[1:32:22] I mean we already are I guess
[1:32:24] in the water because there's
[1:32:25] babies and stuff that are, you
[1:32:26] know, flushed down the toilet
[1:32:29] in those And then how can you
[1:32:30] be trusted with this disaster
[1:32:33] recovery infrastructure funding
[1:32:34] ?
[1:32:35] Why don't you just keep up with
[1:32:35] the infrastructure?
[1:32:38] But wait, you guys need $5
[1:32:39] billion for it?
[1:32:39] >> Dang it.
[1:32:40] But at least you have this in
[1:32:43] case something happens right?
[1:32:44] >> Your time has concluded.
[1:32:45] We're going to those
[1:32:48] participating remotely starting
[1:32:49] the five minute timer starting
[1:32:50] with Blair Beckman If you can
[1:32:53] please unmute please let me
[1:32:54] know which item or items you
[1:32:58] wish to speak to.
[1:33:01] >> I will be quiet again going
[1:33:02] first and not quite ready but I
[1:33:06] am kind of ready here.
[1:33:07] I wanted to speak to basically
[1:33:11] this day all the consent items
[1:33:12] except uh let me see.
[1:33:16] I got to get in here except
[1:33:20] item 54.
[1:33:25] Blair you do need to be ready.
[1:33:26] >> I'm very sorry about that.
[1:33:27] I'm ready now all I want to
[1:33:30] speak to all items not 254.
[1:33:31] >> Okay?
[1:33:31] Please continue.
[1:33:35] Sorry about that.
[1:33:35] Thank you.
[1:33:36] Okay.
[1:33:36] Blair Beckman.
[1:33:40] Yeah.
[1:33:40] Okay.
[1:33:41] So start with item 50 Coastal
[1:33:42] Commission Modifications Land
[1:33:45] Development Code Update Again,
[1:33:45] one of my regular talking
[1:33:49] points these days are it's
[1:33:50] important that we understand
[1:33:51] the concepts of sea level rise
[1:33:55] issue and how we talk about
[1:33:55] that with Midway Rising because
[1:33:59] if we do that makes it easier
[1:34:00] to talk about sea level rise
[1:34:01] issues for a number of issues
[1:34:04] in San Diego that I think we're
[1:34:05] having a bit of trouble with
[1:34:08] because at Midway Rising I know
[1:34:09] Captain Rhodes she's described
[1:34:13] there can be ways to architect
[1:34:14] and build midway rising with
[1:34:18] sea level rise issues but she
[1:34:19] also questions it and I think
[1:34:23] we should be doing the same It
[1:34:24] should be an open process to
[1:34:24] consider good work in those
[1:34:25] efforts.
[1:34:27] What we can be doing with Pure
[1:34:28] Water 51 on kpbs They just
[1:34:37] reported that uh, Mexico
[1:34:38] Tijuana is working on pure
[1:34:38] water issues.
[1:34:43] >> They've had council persons
[1:34:43] visit ocean side, you know, and
[1:34:48] I just thought that was amazing
[1:34:48] .
[1:34:48] So they're interested in
[1:34:49] the future of pure water quite
[1:34:53] possibly present year one
[1:34:53] valley If we think of pure
[1:34:57] water in those terms of how it
[1:34:58] can help our environment, how
[1:34:58] it can possibly help with air
[1:35:02] issues that's one thing We have
[1:35:03] to be very cautious how we talk
[1:35:04] about it as drinking water
[1:35:06] though I think and good luck
[1:35:07] We're learning to do that
[1:35:08] better keep up those good
[1:35:11] efforts and continuing good
[1:35:12] communication with Tijuana.
[1:35:13] I mean it's just proving what
[1:35:16] good communication is about.
[1:35:17] >> So good luck on that effort
[1:35:20] Sally Ordinance salary
[1:35:21] ordinance issues I've mentioned
[1:35:22] for the first time about a week
[1:35:25] ago I hope you can if not this
[1:35:26] year, the next year you can
[1:35:27] really be working on
[1:35:30] the concept that our city
[1:35:31] workers take a $50 cut in pay
[1:35:33] each month That's 600 bucks a
[1:35:34] year.
[1:35:37] That's a savings of over two to
[1:35:41] almost $2 million a year If we
[1:35:42] have like 3000 plus staff
[1:35:43] workers that's a lot in budget
[1:35:47] savings really Consider that
[1:35:48] Learned to take one for
[1:35:49] the team and that it's okay
[1:35:52] there can be times we can't do
[1:35:53] that We MAY be at a time we can
[1:35:56] next year MAY not but let's
[1:36:00] hope we can to go on Item 100
[1:36:05] is well when we see 1 to 1 is
[1:36:06] construction of Beach Street
[1:36:09] pedestrian corridor project.
[1:36:10] This is an item that is dealing
[1:36:13] with you know my usual issues
[1:36:14] of working on better check
[1:36:15] accountability and how
[1:36:19] important that is And when you
[1:36:19] dress better check
[1:36:20] accountability You're actually
[1:36:23] addressing our best practices
[1:36:24] and asking to end genocide
[1:36:24] basically.
[1:36:25] And that's why I do the work I
[1:36:29] do so we can end genocide and
[1:36:32] war and with the ability park
[1:36:33] issues I'll talk about later.
[1:36:33] >> Thank you.
[1:36:37] Next is Cynthia if I can have a
[1:36:38] Gary please come forward to
[1:36:39] the microphone.
[1:36:39] He is our translator here will
[1:36:42] be translating Cynthia from
[1:36:43] French to English.
[1:36:46] Cynthia is speaking on item 50
[1:36:47] If you can please let her know
[1:36:47] that she'll have one minute for
[1:36:50] her comments and then one
[1:36:51] minute for your translation.
[1:36:51] Thank you, Gary, for being
[1:36:52] here.
[1:36:52] You're welcome.
[1:36:55] Good morning, COUNCILWOMAN And
[1:36:55] Council.
[1:37:01] Uh, both Cynthia and Uncle
[1:37:01] Wasabi Enigma Illuminator
[1:37:07] Duncan come on to say that if I
[1:37:08] recall there was a crack was
[1:37:14] the interplay Okay, I want to
[1:37:14] share about this in church
[1:37:18] Wonder she said Did you group
[1:37:18] ducks into the pool Is
[1:37:19] immigrant refugee d'afrique
[1:37:23] been blessed with their money
[1:37:23] They completely want to manage
[1:37:26] it or not As in we grant
[1:37:26] refugee Originaire d'afrique to
[1:37:27] Rosemary via San Diego News
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[1:37:34] modification proposal I don't
[1:37:35] really read up on they don't
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[1:38:15] is more concerned when you see
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[1:38:20] on GOD is not excessive I
[1:38:26] choose a guarantee good truly
[1:38:27] is You don't do San Diego and
[1:38:28] up on the Monday letter when
[1:38:29] you did not audition Please
[1:38:30] escape plan your time has come
[1:38:32] to translate her Good morning
[1:38:33] My name is sincere and I
[1:38:37] represent the students from
[1:38:41] the refugees from the refugees
[1:38:42] in San Diego So I don't know So
[1:38:47] why it is so difficult I like
[1:38:48] for the council like us to
[1:38:52] understand how difficult it is
[1:38:56] of immigrants who come here and
[1:38:57] the amount of that that they
[1:39:00] require like to pay.
[1:39:01] It's exorbitant So it's really
[1:39:07] expensive and it's more like a
[1:39:07] matter of mental lack of us.
[1:39:08] So I don't know why Immigrant I
[1:39:14] showed it to the council like
[1:39:16] could reduce days of fee so for
[1:39:17] fun for something more
[1:39:17] affordable for us and that will
[1:39:20] be that will be better and we
[1:39:25] should and have like to to be
[1:39:26] to be a by not a by we
[1:39:30] shouldn't have like to to fight
[1:39:35] like a for to to to let our
[1:39:35] white nose So in this situation
[1:39:40] so thank you thank you extra
[1:39:41] time was a lot for
[1:39:41] the translation.
[1:39:42] >> Thank you so much Gary for
[1:39:45] coming down.
[1:39:46] Thank you Cynthia for your
[1:39:47] comments 8700 If you can please
[1:39:49] unmute and let me know which
[1:39:50] item or items you wish to speak
[1:39:59] to.
[1:40:03] >> Thank you Only 51 please.
[1:40:07] Please proceed Yes to the First
[1:40:12] Amendment for North City Pure
[1:40:12] Water Facility and
[1:40:17] demonstration Pure water
[1:40:17] Facility with Truffle
[1:40:22] Technologies.
[1:40:27] I celebrate this statement in c
[1:40:31] p w f will be the first full
[1:40:35] scale facility in the world in
[1:40:39] the world using five advanced
[1:40:44] water treatment processes in
[1:40:44] sequence.
[1:40:45] Isn't that an amazing statement
[1:40:49] to be first in the world with
[1:40:54] this amazing project of pure
[1:40:58] water So 20 years with Trizol.
[1:40:59] That's five stars.
[1:41:02] Trussell Thank you so much For
[1:41:03] 20 years and we appreciate you
[1:41:09] And just keep us going till we
[1:41:09] get to all the phases.
[1:41:12] Thank you and your time helpful
[1:41:13] Quickly within the five minute
[1:41:13] timer also concluded there were
[1:41:16] five speakers in the queue with
[1:41:17] joy.
[1:41:18] There are four speakers now No
[1:41:18] additional speakers will be
[1:41:22] taken or asco.
[1:41:23] Please let us know which item
[1:41:26] or items you wish to speak to.
[1:41:27] Yes shop items all the items
[1:41:31] and retaliation for speaking on
[1:41:34] all the items especially 3030
[1:41:39] as part of the proclamation.
[1:41:40] >> So you cannot speak to 30
[1:41:44] You can speak on the items
[1:41:45] within the within the consent
[1:41:45] agenda.
[1:41:50] >> Okay, Ernie Casco I'm in all
[1:41:50] the items trying to speak I
[1:41:54] received experienced
[1:41:55] retaliation myself serious
[1:42:00] injuries, assaults and poisoned
[1:42:00] with by hazard two more times
[1:42:01] by Big Pharma poison It is
[1:42:04] the health care system.
[1:42:05] This is genocide in America
[1:42:05] shamefully over
[1:42:09] the commercialized portion of a
[1:42:10] public park and land Torrey
[1:42:11] Pines glider part I'm dying
[1:42:14] with stage four cancer that's
[1:42:15] now in remission.
[1:42:19] But you haven't killed my voice
[1:42:19] in concern of Torrey Pines
[1:42:23] Blight Report Ongoing dispute
[1:42:24] The Dear Ernie letter I
[1:42:24] received from the cpp is
[1:42:28] completely unacceptable.
[1:42:29] All it fails to accept to
[1:42:30] address serious allegations
[1:42:33] made to the city Council Joe
[1:42:34] LaCava San Diego Police
[1:42:38] Department itself it it
[1:42:39] completely ignores the victim
[1:42:39] and witnesses and the ongoing
[1:42:43] criminal activity and public
[1:42:44] safety concerns at Torrey Pines
[1:42:44] Flight Report.
[1:42:47] My first question is where are
[1:42:48] the police reports?
[1:42:48] Residents should never be
[1:42:51] forced to sign an access pass
[1:42:52] and waiver under threat of
[1:42:52] violence.
[1:42:57] I receive unanimous letters of
[1:42:57] support from La Hoya Town
[1:42:58] Council, the Hawaii Shores
[1:43:02] Association, the University Kim
[1:43:03] Black Community Planning Group
[1:43:06] to stop this yet core issues
[1:43:07] remain ignored while problems
[1:43:07] continue.
[1:43:11] You haven't killed my voice.
[1:43:12] I'm asking three things from
[1:43:16] the City council to restore
[1:43:17] the park to the people and
[1:43:21] protect us from future abuse
[1:43:21] First thing Where are the first
[1:43:25] Where are the police reports of
[1:43:26] the victim and witnesses?
[1:43:27] Let's see them.
[1:43:27] Second stop the illegal
[1:43:31] collection of public fundings
[1:43:32] into private accounts with a
[1:43:32] full city audit of Torrey Pines
[1:43:36] Slide report.
[1:43:36] Third restore lawful public
[1:43:39] access to ensure no one is
[1:43:40] forced into signing waivers.
[1:43:41] It's time to enforce American
[1:43:45] law not administrative law and
[1:43:45] stand up for our constitutional
[1:43:49] recreational rights and
[1:43:50] freedoms and implement the San
[1:43:50] Diego recreational waiver that
[1:43:54] ends this dispute over our
[1:43:54] freedom at public parks.
[1:43:59] Thank you, Ernie Casco.
[1:44:00] >> Next is Hector.
[1:44:01] If you can please unmute and
[1:44:03] let me know which item or items
[1:44:04] you wish to speak to.
[1:44:07] >> I'd like to speak to 5051
[1:44:08] and 52.
[1:44:08] >> Thank you.
[1:44:09] You'll have three minutes.
[1:44:09] Please proceed.
[1:44:14] So on item 50 the Coastal
[1:44:14] Commission the Coastal
[1:44:17] Commission has done us a lot of
[1:44:18] harm.
[1:44:18] It takes a lot of time to get
[1:44:19] and to improve to approve
[1:44:23] things And they're just like
[1:44:27] brought a lot of hurt on city
[1:44:27] build skyscrapers by the beach.
[1:44:31] We should just ignore
[1:44:32] the Coastal Commission as much
[1:44:33] We can just tell them we're
[1:44:33] going to do it.
[1:44:37] We can do our own coastal
[1:44:37] decisions.
[1:44:42] We the coast we love our coast.
[1:44:42] We know our coast.
[1:44:43] We don't let them talk And it's
[1:44:46] just another bureaucracy with
[1:44:51] the Democratic scam going on in
[1:44:55] our city And then on the 51 on
[1:44:55] the pier water I think it's
[1:44:56] good that Mexico is looking for
[1:45:00] pure water.
[1:45:01] I say we just dam up the border
[1:45:01] crossing and let them deal with
[1:45:05] the sewage water.
[1:45:06] It'll it'll put a fire under
[1:45:06] there.
[1:45:09] They can smell some of that
[1:45:10] Mexican They're giving us
[1:45:10] the pure water.
[1:45:14] I think we should do audits
[1:45:15] every month and publish them at
[1:45:19] the city council because you
[1:45:20] know this is going to be a huge
[1:45:20] overrun.
[1:45:24] This is like we can't even
[1:45:24] handle parking at the zoo let
[1:45:25] alone the billions of dollars
[1:45:29] it's going to cost us.
[1:45:30] We need to keep an eye on this
[1:45:33] And the lady that runs it,
[1:45:34] she's not tough enough.
[1:45:34] She's she's like looking for
[1:45:39] her partner.
[1:45:40] We know we need somebody who's
[1:45:43] just we ain't going to buy no
[1:45:43] extras.
[1:45:44] Take it.
[1:45:48] She could get tough to speak of
[1:45:48] .
[1:45:49] She has a 15 year old daughter
[1:45:50] and the guy is looking for my
[1:45:53] looking to take her out on a
[1:45:53] date.
[1:45:54] He's 28 Italian guy with a
[1:45:58] heavy hairy chest and gold
[1:45:58] chains.
[1:45:59] She'd be saying no.
[1:46:02] You taking her out?
[1:46:03] That's what she's got to say.
[1:46:04] With the cost overruns
[1:46:07] the contractors are going to
[1:46:07] She's an easy mark for
[1:46:08] the contractors.
[1:46:12] It's not it's not a committee
[1:46:12] saying no, she needs to say no
[1:46:16] and no more overruns.
[1:46:17] We're going to make up a lot of
[1:46:21] stuff And then the pay thing 52
[1:46:22] is like Hey, times are tough
[1:46:24] man and we're given a 10%
[1:46:24] raise.
[1:46:25] We need to weed out
[1:46:29] the employees Anybody that
[1:46:30] celebrated Charlie Kirk's death
[1:46:30] needs to leave.
[1:46:34] We cannot pay them nothing we
[1:46:35] never research The employees is
[1:46:39] celebrated his death and we're
[1:46:39] taken.
[1:46:43] We'll have a bounty If you turn
[1:46:44] in one of your employees who
[1:46:47] celebrated and say we'll give
[1:46:48] you $1,000 and that person
[1:46:52] needs to go There's a bunch of
[1:46:53] them on the city payroll.
[1:46:54] Those guys need to go whatever
[1:46:58] color their hair is.
[1:46:58] But whatever their deal is it's
[1:46:59] probably something to do with
[1:47:02] the alphabet crew celebrating
[1:47:03] the death of Charlie Kirk.
[1:47:08] So the alphabet is
[1:47:08] the hopefully it's going to
[1:47:11] it's heading downhill man.
[1:47:12] >> Hopefully they'll learn how
[1:47:16] to spell me.
[1:47:17] Thank you.
[1:47:18] If you raise your hand after
[1:47:18] the five minute timer you will
[1:47:23] not be taken But you can
[1:47:23] definitely submit comments at
[1:47:24] City Clerk at San diego.Gov.
[1:47:25] Judy Strang If you can please
[1:47:27] unmute and let me know which
[1:47:27] item or items you wish to speak
[1:47:28] to.
[1:47:28] >> Yes.
[1:47:28] Good morning.
[1:47:31] I'd like to speak to s503
[1:47:35] regarding the First Amendment
[1:47:36] to the Employee assistance
[1:47:36] program here at the city that's
[1:47:40] being provided to us by
[1:47:41] Evernorth Care Solutions.
[1:47:41] I think it would have been
[1:47:45] extraordinarily useful to have
[1:47:45] a staff report on the city's
[1:47:51] APRIL Cobra.
[1:47:51] This is a program provided to
[1:47:55] employees generally speaking in
[1:47:55] my experience with eap programs
[1:47:59] it's for behavioral health
[1:48:00] issues and we are grateful that
[1:48:01] the city recognizes how
[1:48:01] important it is to their
[1:48:05] employees.
[1:48:06] That was not the case 40 years
[1:48:07] ago so it's about time We have
[1:48:09] recognized over the last
[1:48:10] several decades how valuable it
[1:48:14] is to help our employees with
[1:48:15] their alcohol and drug
[1:48:15] problems.
[1:48:20] Those problems affect
[1:48:20] the bottom line of the city.
[1:48:21] They affect job performance and
[1:48:25] productivity and nothing more.
[1:48:26] So that impaired cognitive
[1:48:30] function because it creates bad
[1:48:30] decision making You MISS
[1:48:31] Deadlines, you have sloppy work
[1:48:35] and decreased efficiency and
[1:48:36] nothing so much as someone who
[1:48:36] is under the influence of
[1:48:37] marijuana.
[1:48:40] So thank you to this group.
[1:48:40] >> Thank you.
[1:48:41] That does conclude your time.
[1:48:44] Our next speaker is Jennifer
[1:48:48] Bennett And please begin.
[1:48:49] >> Hi, I'm John Hogan here
[1:48:53] speaking from Jennifer Bennett
[1:48:54] who had to leave just now.
[1:48:59] Quickly on behalf of
[1:49:00] the community of Redwood
[1:49:00] Village and the Eastern Area
[1:49:01] Community Planning Group, we
[1:49:03] asked for the approval of funds
[1:49:04] for the Stream view drive green
[1:49:08] infrastructure improvements for
[1:49:09] the health and safety of our
[1:49:09] communities.
[1:49:12] This is item 100.
[1:49:16] We'd like to thank the Council
[1:49:17] District nine Rep Sean De la
[1:49:18] Rivera and all the city staff
[1:49:18] for their consideration and
[1:49:21] work on this project.
[1:49:21] We appreciate it very much.
[1:49:25] Been many years that we've been
[1:49:25] advocating for this.
[1:49:30] >> Thank you very much.
[1:49:31] Thank you.
[1:49:31] That does conclude public
[1:49:35] comment on the consent agenda.
[1:49:36] >> All right.
[1:49:36] Thank you.
[1:49:37] City Clerk and deputy clerk for
[1:49:37] wrapping up.
[1:49:40] With that we'll turn it over to
[1:49:41] the council members for any
[1:49:41] questions or comments and
[1:49:44] entertain a motion.
[1:49:45] We'll start with council member
[1:49:45] Isla Rivera.
[1:49:46] All right.
[1:49:46] Thank you.
[1:49:49] Council PRESIDENT.
[1:49:50] I will move approval of
[1:49:50] the outcome of the consent
[1:49:54] agenda.
[1:49:55] I just wanted to speak briefly
[1:49:56] to item 100 authorizes
[1:49:59] stormwater department to accept
[1:50:00] and appropriate funding from
[1:50:00] the California Department of
[1:50:01] Housing and Community
[1:50:04] Development 2020 for disaster
[1:50:04] recovery infrastructure.
[1:50:09] Mitt R.I.P. Fund.
[1:50:14] So that very long unwieldy
[1:50:18] title is really beneath that
[1:50:24] long unwieldy title is a
[1:50:24] project that's going to
[1:50:25] directly improve the quality of
[1:50:25] life for Redwood Village
[1:50:28] resident residents in my
[1:50:29] district and beyond.
[1:50:30] Stream View Drive has been in
[1:50:33] the works for many years and I
[1:50:34] want to thank the Stormwater
[1:50:35] Engineering and Capital Project
[1:50:35] team for this.
[1:50:39] I also want to thank some of
[1:50:39] our community leaders Lyn,
[1:50:40] Bettina and Jennifer for
[1:50:43] community organizing work on
[1:50:44] this and never allowing
[1:50:45] the city and my office to
[1:50:47] forget that this is important
[1:50:52] and needs to get done.
[1:50:53] Stream View Drive has been a
[1:50:57] long overdue project just like
[1:50:57] this one that combines blue
[1:50:58] green infrastructure and
[1:50:59] supports our efforts to be
[1:51:02] climate resilient.
[1:51:03] It's situated just upstream and
[1:51:03] tributary to Choice Creek which
[1:51:07] is an urban waterway that was
[1:51:07] impacted during the severe
[1:51:08] rainstorms in 2024.
[1:51:12] And this project will improve
[1:51:13] the capture and conveyance of
[1:51:13] urban runoff along the Stream
[1:51:16] stream View Drive and install
[1:51:17] new stormwater treatment
[1:51:20] systems within the 258 acre
[1:51:20] watershed.
[1:51:25] There are some really great
[1:51:25] components of this including an
[1:51:26] underground trash capture belt
[1:51:29] underground stormwater
[1:51:30] detention vault and multi-use
[1:51:31] treatment area vault.
[1:51:35] Together they will help reduce
[1:51:35] pollutant levels such as trash,
[1:51:37] sediment, zinc and other
[1:51:38] contaminants entering Choi's
[1:51:38] Creek.
[1:51:39] Additionally, the detention
[1:51:40] belt will help manage
[1:51:41] stormwater by reducing peak
[1:51:45] flows into the creek.
[1:51:45] So these are smart investments
[1:51:46] the type of things that
[1:51:47] the city should keep pursuing
[1:51:49] as we move forward.
[1:51:50] I want to say thank you again
[1:51:51] to our community leaders for
[1:51:52] their advocacy on this and
[1:51:54] the city workers who helped
[1:51:55] make this happen.
[1:51:56] Council PRESIDENT I assume you
[1:51:59] probably understood everything
[1:52:00] that I said better than I did.
[1:52:01] >> But that concludes my
[1:52:01] motion.
[1:52:05] All right.
[1:52:06] Yeah, I think you nailed it.
[1:52:06] I think the community
[1:52:07] understands it and appreciate
[1:52:07] it.
[1:52:09] So we have a motion by council
[1:52:10] member Ella Rivera and we'll go
[1:52:11] next to council member
[1:52:11] Whitburn.
[1:52:13] Thank you.
[1:52:14] Council PRESIDENT I'm happy to
[1:52:15] second the motion to approve
[1:52:15] the consent agenda.
[1:52:19] Just note how pleased I am with
[1:52:20] item 101 which is that
[1:52:20] agreement with Civic said
[1:52:23] the year ago for construction
[1:52:24] of the b Street pedestrian
[1:52:25] corridor project downtown.
[1:52:28] This is a project that has been
[1:52:29] decades in the making.
[1:52:29] It's going to provide much
[1:52:32] needed pedestrian improvements
[1:52:33] that will make it easier for
[1:52:34] people to access public
[1:52:34] transportation.
[1:52:35] It will increase safety around
[1:52:38] the set of a depot for downtown
[1:52:39] residents and visitors alike.
[1:52:42] This action advances our goals
[1:52:43] of improving mobility,
[1:52:48] accessibility and productivity
[1:52:48] downtown.
[1:52:49] And I want to thank city staff
[1:52:49] and civic San Diego for all
[1:52:50] their work in moving this
[1:52:52] project towards construction.
[1:52:52] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.
[1:52:53] All right.
[1:52:53] Thank you, sir.
[1:52:54] So we have a motion by council
[1:52:57] member Eli Rivera and second by
[1:52:58] COUNCILMAN Whitburn to move
[1:52:59] the consent item.
[1:53:02] I don't see anybody else on
[1:53:02] the lights so.
[1:53:03] Clerk Deputy Clerk Please call
[1:53:03] the roll.
[1:53:05] I have set up the voting
[1:53:05] system.
[1:53:20] >> Please cast your vote.
[1:53:21] Councilmember Yellow era didn't
[1:53:26] record If you did.
[1:53:27] There you go.
[1:53:31] Thank you.
[1:53:32] >> The consent agenda passes
[1:53:36] unanimously six nothing with
[1:53:37] council districts four, five,
[1:53:37] seven and eight.
[1:53:41] Absent.
[1:53:41] >> All right.
[1:53:42] Thank you.
[1:53:47] So with that oh, do we have any
[1:53:47] comments from the mayor's
[1:53:48] office?
[1:53:48] City council member city
[1:53:51] attorney, independent
[1:53:52] independent budget analyst or a
[1:53:55] city clerk not seeing any
[1:53:56] requests.
[1:53:56] We will now take up the non
[1:53:57] agenda Public comment.
[1:54:01] Council members respect and
[1:54:02] appreciate the public input and
[1:54:02] are fully committed to
[1:54:03] protecting every participant's
[1:54:06] free speech rights at council
[1:54:06] and committee meetings.
[1:54:07] Clerk Please proceed with
[1:54:10] public comment per rule 2.7
[1:54:16] Known Agenda Public Comment as
[1:54:16] an opportunity for members of
[1:54:17] the public to comment on items
[1:54:18] that are not on the agenda but
[1:54:19] within the subject matter
[1:54:20] jurisdiction of the City
[1:54:20] Council.
[1:54:24] Each speaker will have two
[1:54:24] minutes.
[1:54:25] Please note if there are eight
[1:54:25] or more speakers on a single
[1:54:29] topic the maximum time for
[1:54:30] the topic will be 60 Minutes.
[1:54:30] If you are in chambers please
[1:54:33] submit your speaker slip.
[1:54:34] If you are joining us virtually
[1:54:35] please raise your hand to speak
[1:54:35] by tapping the raise your hand
[1:54:40] icon or if you are a call in
[1:54:40] participant start nine.
[1:54:43] We will begin with in-person
[1:54:48] comment Jacob Lewis Edwards
[1:54:54] again good morning Council men
[1:54:55] and women.
[1:54:55] So it was years ago my family
[1:55:00] put the mafia on me to squash
[1:55:00] any trace of anything I was
[1:55:04] calling out in my family had
[1:55:05] nothing to do with the mafia
[1:55:06] That was my family did that to
[1:55:09] me.
[1:55:10] They hijacked my mom's younger
[1:55:10] brother's position in
[1:55:11] Department of Homeland Security
[1:55:14] over our country Cyber security
[1:55:14] networks over time that enabled
[1:55:19] them hijacking our federal
[1:55:19] government agencies.
[1:55:20] I say now not their fault of
[1:55:21] course they have taken the keys
[1:55:24] to our country If they were
[1:55:24] able to.
[1:55:25] I blame those in Washington dc
[1:55:26] who allowed it.
[1:55:30] I was terrorized all along
[1:55:30] the way.
[1:55:31] My civil rights and liberties
[1:55:32] violated in the grossest ways
[1:55:35] you could imagine My human
[1:55:35] rights grossly violated with
[1:55:36] our government agencies used
[1:55:40] against us Chinese espionage on
[1:55:41] the thing the entire time.
[1:55:42] Watch the clip Jacob Edward
[1:55:46] speaks on YouTube where I spoke
[1:55:47] right here at this microphone
[1:55:51] is where the genocide Federal
[1:55:51] Reserve families cutting a deal
[1:55:52] to wipe out the debt of
[1:55:56] trillions of the Chinese.
[1:55:56] How dare they hand our country
[1:55:57] over?
[1:56:01] But the deal of genocide to
[1:56:02] wipe out the best of the best
[1:56:02] of our country so to the best
[1:56:07] of their best you come in
[1:56:08] the recruiting them from
[1:56:08] the Department of Homeland
[1:56:09] Security's database at the best
[1:56:11] this country has and
[1:56:12] slaughtering them in mass
[1:56:13] numbers to the best of
[1:56:16] the Chinese can come in.
[1:56:17] How dare they?
[1:56:17] Our country.
[1:56:22] Our country, our local leaders,
[1:56:28] our community needs to stand up
[1:56:28] that this is our country.
[1:56:32] This is our livelihoods.
[1:56:33] Our country's future is at
[1:56:33] stake.
[1:56:38] Our lives are at stake.
[1:56:39] That I urge you every one of
[1:56:40] you and folk in the community
[1:56:44] this time to quit going along
[1:56:44] with this acting like it's not
[1:56:45] going on running from it for
[1:56:50] everybody to fight together
[1:56:50] Stand up for our country, for
[1:56:51] the people, by the people that
[1:56:54] don't include your time.
[1:56:55] >> Our next speaker is
[1:57:10] allegedly Audra.
[1:57:11] >> It's interesting people get
[1:57:11] offended when I talk about
[1:57:15] pedophiles.
[1:57:16] Makes me wonder if you guys are
[1:57:21] pedophiles because like to be
[1:57:22] offended to talk I should be
[1:57:27] that you're offended that that
[1:57:28] happens that you shouldn't want
[1:57:28] children to be raped or
[1:57:32] sexually assaulted.
[1:57:33] I'm not promoting it and
[1:57:38] glorifying it as a sexual
[1:57:38] preference and that as long as
[1:57:39] a pedophile is living it's
[1:57:44] authentic life and being their
[1:57:44] authentic selves then those
[1:57:49] children don't matter all while
[1:57:50] we say you care about all
[1:57:54] people I would make it suffice
[1:57:55] to say that you don't care
[1:58:00] about victims that you
[1:58:06] perpetuate creating them and
[1:58:07] you consider me talking about
[1:58:07] pedophiles hate speech or anti
[1:58:13] Semitic or homophobe big or you
[1:58:13] know I'm a bigot or racist or
[1:58:14] whatever you know what I mean?
[1:58:18] All the gaslighting names So
[1:58:19] you're willing to gaslight me
[1:58:24] for talking about it and hating
[1:58:25] it being a victim of it And
[1:58:26] then it's like you want to
[1:58:30] twist what I'm saying while
[1:58:31] right there right in front of
[1:58:36] us Minor attractive persons are
[1:58:37] being honored and glorified
[1:58:42] while I'm being gaslit as if
[1:58:43] I'm asking you to not accept a
[1:58:48] certain community.
[1:58:49] But I guess why are we
[1:58:54] accepting pedophilia as okay
[1:58:55] when you do have children That
[1:58:56] that is a question I do have I
[1:59:00] don't that doesn't make sense
[1:59:01] to me And I would say that
[1:59:02] competency is in question When
[1:59:06] you can have children and
[1:59:06] promote that your child could
[1:59:13] potentially be abused that that
[1:59:13] doesn't make that make does
[1:59:14] conclude your time.
[1:59:15] >> Our next speaker is Liam mad
[1:59:15] that FEBRUARY?
[1:59:21] Please come forward.
[1:59:22] Good morning City Council.
[1:59:23] I hope I can have your
[1:59:28] attention for at least the next
[1:59:28] minute.
[1:59:29] My name is Liam Adventures.
[1:59:30] I'm a 14 year old from District
[1:59:30] seven.
[1:59:34] This council I believe should
[1:59:34] terminate its contract with Fox
[1:59:35] safety because it has been
[1:59:36] proven time and time again in
[1:59:36] San Diego and across
[1:59:40] the country that we cannot
[1:59:40] govern and effectively Consider
[1:59:41] this Within the first three
[1:59:45] weeks of operation we had
[1:59:46] 12,914 unauthorized searches in
[1:59:47] 2024 alone as deputy transfer
[1:59:51] data to a federal agency 62
[1:59:52] times that of fear in violation
[1:59:53] of California state law and
[1:59:57] the city's own privacy advisory
[1:59:58] Board recommended shutting this
[1:59:58] program down.
[1:59:59] This council overrode that 5 to
[1:59:59] 3.
[2:00:03] Moreover, these data also shows
[2:00:04] that 100 of the 140 aggregated
[2:00:07] database searches run in 2024
[2:00:08] only point 2% actually assisted
[2:00:08] investigations.
[2:00:14] So this is a federal reflection
[2:00:15] of the fatal shortcomings
[2:00:15] within Floc technology.
[2:00:16] El Cajon is being sued by
[2:00:17] the Attorney General for
[2:00:19] showing data illegally.
[2:00:19] Ventura County logged over
[2:00:25] 364,000 illegal data searches.
[2:00:26] One misconfigured camera in
[2:00:27] Mountain View exposed it to
[2:00:27] over 250 agencies and in San
[2:00:32] Francisco not so far from us it
[2:00:33] has been searched 1.6 million
[2:00:33] times by people without
[2:00:34] the legal authority to do so.
[2:00:38] And so then we have the same
[2:00:39] failure repeated across
[2:00:39] multiple jurisdictions.
[2:00:40] We have to ask is that a
[2:00:44] failure of implementation?
[2:00:45] I'd say no, it's a failure of
[2:00:46] the architecture.
[2:00:46] If we look at Floc it's built
[2:00:47] to make sure and very easy and
[2:00:50] accountability very difficult.
[2:00:51] And I personally believe that
[2:00:52] no policy this council passes
[2:00:53] can possibly change with
[2:00:53] systems built to do.
[2:00:57] And so this is why reform is
[2:00:57] not the answer because we
[2:00:58] cannot regulate or regulate our
[2:01:02] way around system or structural
[2:01:02] flaw.
[2:01:03] And so that's the only response
[2:01:04] that is proportional to this
[2:01:04] many that has failed many times
[2:01:08] in many places.
[2:01:09] And San Diego does not have to
[2:01:10] choose between public safety
[2:01:11] and governance because of a
[2:01:13] government that sacrifices one
[2:01:14] to protect the other actually
[2:01:14] protects the other.
[2:01:18] >> Thank you for listening.
[2:01:19] >> Good job.
[2:01:19] Thank you.
[2:01:20] Our next speaker is Anthony
[2:01:30] Ralphs.
[2:01:31] >> Where's Waldo and Wilbur?
[2:01:32] One more time.
[2:01:36] She's not here.
[2:01:37] And it gets really frustrating
[2:01:38] to know that we're paying
[2:01:38] council members that aren't
[2:01:39] present when we're wishing to
[2:01:42] address them.
[2:01:42] I don't know if she's on
[2:01:43] official business.
[2:01:43] It hasn't been spoken.
[2:01:49] If she is and again it is
[2:01:49] really frustrating to see empty
[2:01:50] seats when they're getting paid
[2:01:54] very well to not be listening
[2:01:54] to us.
[2:01:55] I brought these three flowers I
[2:01:56] want to give them to the three
[2:02:00] members of city council that
[2:02:01] voted for Flock.
[2:02:01] I know that I'm obviously
[2:02:02] against Flock but the reason
[2:02:06] why I got you these flowers is
[2:02:07] because six months ago seven
[2:02:08] months ago when you initially
[2:02:08] voted for Flock, if you hadn't
[2:02:12] done that I wouldn't have
[2:02:13] started paying attention Seven
[2:02:14] months ago I didn't know a
[2:02:14] single one of your names.
[2:02:17] I didn't know a single one of
[2:02:18] your positions on a plethora of
[2:02:18] issues.
[2:02:19] In that time I've gotten to
[2:02:19] know not only the issues I've
[2:02:22] got to know where you stand on
[2:02:23] many of these issues and I've
[2:02:24] gotten to learn a ton in that
[2:02:24] process.
[2:02:29] So it inadvertently woke a
[2:02:29] sleeping giant in me and it
[2:02:30] inadvertently woke a sleeping
[2:02:31] giant in this city And our
[2:02:35] civic participation is now at
[2:02:36] full throttle or at least
[2:02:36] minus.
[2:02:37] And I'm one of the privileged
[2:02:40] few who can come here on a
[2:02:41] regular basis who can afford to
[2:02:42] park, who can afford to take
[2:02:42] time off work.
[2:02:43] Not everyone can do that.
[2:02:46] And that's why I'm here
[2:02:47] routinely to represent this
[2:02:47] position.
[2:02:48] And even though I fundamentally
[2:02:52] disagree with you all I still
[2:02:53] got love for you all.
[2:02:53] I agree with what Joyce Sonata
[2:02:54] said when she says love to all.
[2:02:59] And so again, even though I
[2:02:59] disagree, I actually came
[2:03:00] yesterday with the intention of
[2:03:04] issuing you an apology because
[2:03:05] seven months ago when I called
[2:03:06] you out for not being present,
[2:03:06] I didn't know that you were on
[2:03:07] paternity leave.
[2:03:11] Like if I.
[2:03:12] I wish that more One Wilbert
[2:03:13] had some kind of an excuse or
[2:03:14] at least would give us a reason
[2:03:17] as to why she's not here right
[2:03:18] now so that we could at least
[2:03:19] know why she isn't present in
[2:03:22] helping us make the decisions
[2:03:23] that we need.
[2:03:23] I also wanted to mention
[2:03:24] the Supreme Court's decision
[2:03:24] yesterday.
[2:03:25] I wanted to read it to you and
[2:03:29] read it to those who were
[2:03:30] present but they ruled
[2:03:30] yesterday that law enforcement
[2:03:31] officials use the Geofence
[2:03:31] warrant.
[2:03:34] >> Think about that.
[2:03:35] Conclude your time.
[2:03:36] Basically they ruled that up.
[2:03:36] That does conclude your time.
[2:03:37] Thank you.
[2:03:41] Tomorrow I've started the five
[2:03:41] minute timer in council
[2:03:42] chambers and we'll now turn to
[2:03:46] virtual content.
[2:03:47] We will begin with Blair
[2:03:47] Beekman.
[2:03:53] Blair please begin.
[2:03:53] >> Hi.
[2:03:53] Blair Beekman.
[2:03:54] Thanks for the meeting today.
[2:03:58] Thanks a lot for the words of
[2:03:59] Tony.
[2:03:59] In the past year our council
[2:04:00] presidents have really learned
[2:04:06] the art form of getting out of
[2:04:07] meetings and especially with
[2:04:07] council PRESIDENT.
[2:04:08] But we'll begin to campaign all
[2:04:11] respect for her campaign that I
[2:04:11] hope he can win.
[2:04:12] I think he would be better
[2:04:17] served by staying at council
[2:04:18] meetings instead of always
[2:04:19] leaving now and per committee
[2:04:19] meetings.
[2:04:22] I think he would have a better
[2:04:23] campaign if he was at her
[2:04:24] regular meetings.
[2:04:24] We would respect her a lot
[2:04:24] more.
[2:04:29] I'm starting to disrespect what
[2:04:29] she's doing.
[2:04:30] It's becoming aggravating.
[2:04:30] It was an important day.
[2:04:35] She was supposed to be there So
[2:04:35] I'm upset.
[2:04:36] We've got to start returning to
[2:04:37] meetings more regularly And
[2:04:41] same with our other council.
[2:04:41] I also and thanks as always for
[2:04:46] the words of Anthony by the way
[2:04:47] .
[2:04:47] I wanted to comment on
[2:04:48] the comment.
[2:04:53] The idea is you know stormwater
[2:04:53] issues we had worries you know
[2:04:54] the past few years so we
[2:04:59] couldn't talk more openly and
[2:05:00] clearly we could have It's been
[2:05:00] a few years now.
[2:05:01] Can we please stop using
[2:05:04] the euphemisms sports utility
[2:05:05] lighting to talk about
[2:05:05] the depth of what our
[2:05:06] surveillance technology and our
[2:05:11] parks and rec center that's
[2:05:12] actually doing?
[2:05:12] Can we be more specific in that
[2:05:16] instead of it's a euphemism you
[2:05:17] guys are using?
[2:05:17] Let's really move past
[2:05:18] the euphemism please.
[2:05:22] It's safe It please trust it.
[2:05:22] Don't be fearful.
[2:05:23] Quick conversation is good.
[2:05:29] There's also concepts you know
[2:05:30] City of Oakland has a love life
[2:05:34] philosophy that I hope we can
[2:05:35] help that they don't want to do
[2:05:36] harm in their decision making.
[2:05:36] I think you can help a lot And
[2:05:41] the comment on your use in real
[2:05:47] time Police are confused.
[2:05:48] They don't quite know the rules
[2:05:49] of the road in when they can
[2:05:52] and can't talk about their data
[2:05:53] tech and we have to learn to
[2:05:54] have that open conversation so
[2:05:54] we can That's what I keep
[2:05:58] trying to say at this time.
[2:05:59] >> We have to have an open
[2:06:00] conversation not a closed thank
[2:06:00] you.
[2:06:05] That does conclude your time.
[2:06:05] Your next speaker is that
[2:06:06] could.
[2:06:16] Please begin.
[2:06:16] >> Good morning.
[2:06:17] My name is Becky Brock and I'm
[2:06:18] here today to ask for greater
[2:06:22] transfer and accountability in
[2:06:22] San Diego's marijuana
[2:06:23] permitting program.
[2:06:26] Seven years ago, Rancho
[2:06:27] Bernardo residents spent a
[2:06:27] significant amount of time
[2:06:28] participating in public
[2:06:33] processes But our neighborhood
[2:06:33] pot shop was approved.
[2:06:34] We attended hearings, submitted
[2:06:38] comments and carefully
[2:06:38] evaluated the applicant.
[2:06:39] But today if you visit
[2:06:44] the city's website, the permit
[2:06:45] still identifies the original
[2:06:49] permit holder not the business
[2:06:50] that is now actually holding
[2:06:51] the permit.
[2:06:51] We stumbled across industry
[2:06:57] publications that reported that
[2:06:57] the House has acquired 12
[2:07:02] existing pot shop permits in
[2:07:03] San Diego yet they're not
[2:07:03] updated on the city's website.
[2:07:08] That raises a simple question
[2:07:08] Why is it easier to learn who
[2:07:09] controls the city issued
[2:07:14] marijuana permit from an
[2:07:14] industry publication than from
[2:07:15] the city's own website?
[2:07:20] If owner ownership changes, if
[2:07:21] a permit is transferred or if a
[2:07:21] new company takes control of a
[2:07:22] pot show, the public shouldn't
[2:07:26] have to search through
[2:07:26] corporate records, state
[2:07:27] databases or trade publications
[2:07:31] to find that information.
[2:07:32] The community's interest
[2:07:32] doesn't end when the permit is
[2:07:33] approved.
[2:07:38] In many ways that's when
[2:07:39] transparency becomes even more
[2:07:39] important.
[2:07:40] So I urge the city to maintain
[2:07:44] an up to date publicly
[2:07:44] accessible database that
[2:07:45] identifies current permit
[2:07:50] holders and current operators.
[2:07:51] Ownership changes and permit
[2:07:55] transfers for every shop in
[2:07:56] the region.
[2:07:57] Residents deserve to know who
[2:07:57] is operating these businesses
[2:07:58] throughout the life of
[2:08:02] the permit not just on the day
[2:08:02] it was approved.
[2:08:03] Public participation should be
[2:08:08] matched by public transparency
[2:08:08] .
[2:08:08] >> Thank you.
[2:08:09] Thank you.
[2:08:10] Our next speaker is a caller
[2:08:13] with the last four digits
[2:08:14] 737234.
[2:08:19] Please begin.
[2:08:26] >> >> Good afternoon, City
[2:08:26] Council.
[2:08:27] My name is Kevin Skilling.
[2:08:27] I'm a parent public educator
[2:08:31] and I am a planning group
[2:08:31] member as well.
[2:08:32] When reviewing air quality in
[2:08:33] the city of San Diego and
[2:08:33] the role of tobacco related
[2:08:38] disease and death, it is very
[2:08:38] important to address
[2:08:39] disparities.
[2:08:39] The overall conclusion that
[2:08:43] tobacco takes a higher toll on
[2:08:44] less advantaged people is not
[2:08:49] new but needs to be carefully
[2:08:49] regarded when policies
[2:08:50] regarding smoking and vaping
[2:08:50] are considered.
[2:08:51] Here in California stained
[2:08:56] glass Faculty member at
[2:08:56] the University of California
[2:09:02] San Francisco uc ucsf School of
[2:09:03] Medicine and the Division of
[2:09:03] Cardiology stated and I quote
[2:09:07] It's important to recognize
[2:09:08] the growing role of cannabis in
[2:09:08] undermining tobacco control and
[2:09:09] contributing to health
[2:09:14] disparities especially given
[2:09:15] the prevalence of tobacco and
[2:09:19] cannabis use in youth and young
[2:09:20] adults and the socio economic
[2:09:21] and health disparities
[2:09:26] associated with chronic or
[2:09:27] daily use of marijuana or
[2:09:27] tobacco.
[2:09:31] Tobacco use which is of grave
[2:09:32] concern for public health
[2:09:36] educators who work on behalf of
[2:09:37] 18 to 30 year olds and those of
[2:09:38] us who are parent group of that
[2:09:43] specific age group.
[2:09:43] Protecting all city residents
[2:09:44] from exposure to secondhand
[2:09:48] tobacco and cannabis smoke in
[2:09:49] all indoor and outdoor settings
[2:09:49] should be a priority.
[2:09:54] Reducing the availability and
[2:09:55] advertising related to tobacco
[2:09:55] and marijuana should be a
[2:10:00] priority of our county and
[2:10:01] summer 2026 would be the best
[2:10:07] time for our city county to
[2:10:07] consider an emergency ban of
[2:10:12] marijuana and tobacco smoking
[2:10:13] and vaping in public spaces.
[2:10:13] Thank you for hearing my
[2:10:18] concerns This afternoon.
[2:10:19] >> Thank you.
[2:10:19] Please note the five minute
[2:10:20] timer did go off.
[2:10:24] We have seven speakers
[2:10:24] remaining in the queue.
[2:10:25] No further speakers will be
[2:10:25] taken.
[2:10:26] Kathleen Lippert please begin
[2:10:32] your comments.
[2:10:33] Thank you for letting me speak.
[2:10:33] I'd like to address the housing
[2:10:34] issue.
[2:10:38] The need for affordable housing
[2:10:39] is great but housing quickly
[2:10:40] becomes unaffordable when a
[2:10:44] city continues to add fee after
[2:10:45] fee d focus is only on one
[2:10:46] side The tenant landlord
[2:10:50] equation protections solely
[2:10:51] focused on tenants.
[2:10:57] MS. The expense that landlords
[2:11:03] are expenses are created for
[2:11:03] landlords.
[2:11:04] The city's failure to analyze
[2:11:08] both benefits and risks has led
[2:11:09] to higher cost of housing and a
[2:11:09] failure to protect those who
[2:11:10] deserve protection.
[2:11:14] Landlords cost for maintenance,
[2:11:15] upkeep, habitability standards,
[2:11:21] inflation can lead to landlords
[2:11:21] failing to properly maintain
[2:11:26] their property and the cost of
[2:11:26] remediating units where smoking
[2:11:27] or vaping has taken place adds
[2:11:33] an additional layer of costs as
[2:11:33] well as the health impacts that
[2:11:38] are caused by that.
[2:11:39] Anthony Infection rules do not
[2:11:40] allow for rent or landlords to
[2:11:44] evict problematic nuisance
[2:11:44] tenants.
[2:11:45] The eviction process is lengthy
[2:11:50] and costly and rent caps do not
[2:11:51] allow landlords to adjust rents
[2:11:56] in response to market changes.
[2:11:57] Screening restrictions that do
[2:11:57] not allow proper vetting of
[2:11:58] potential tenants can lead to
[2:12:02] tenants with a history of
[2:12:03] failing to pay their rent or
[2:12:08] previously damaged property and
[2:12:09] tenants who MAY exploit
[2:12:14] friendly tenant regulations.
[2:12:15] The cost of forcing landlords
[2:12:16] to accept tenants who cannot
[2:12:20] afford the rent or forcing
[2:12:20] landlords to accept government
[2:12:21] housing vouchers can lead to
[2:12:26] costs that are passed on to
[2:12:27] other tenants.
[2:12:27] A healthy rental market
[2:12:32] recognizes there are two
[2:12:32] entities involved in the rental
[2:12:33] market.
[2:12:38] Renters and landlords can
[2:12:38] adjust Include your time.
[2:12:39] Our next speaker is Madison.
[2:12:43] Please begin.
[2:12:44] >> I thank you City Council
[2:12:44] members.
[2:12:48] As a mother of three children I
[2:12:49] often think about how much care
[2:12:50] goes into protecting a baby
[2:12:54] before that child is even born
[2:12:54] .
[2:12:55] Pregnant women are told to
[2:12:55] watch what they eat, what
[2:13:00] medications they take and what
[2:13:00] substances they avoid because
[2:13:01] those early months matter So
[2:13:02] much for a child's development.
[2:13:06] That's why I think it's
[2:13:07] important to pay attention to
[2:13:07] what the medical community is
[2:13:08] saying about cannabis use
[2:13:08] during pregnancy.
[2:13:12] The American College of
[2:13:12] Obstetricians and Gynecologists
[2:13:13] recently updated its clinical
[2:13:14] guidance and stated that
[2:13:18] cannabis use during pregnancy
[2:13:18] has been associated with
[2:13:19] serious risks and spontaneous
[2:13:23] preterm birth, low birth weight
[2:13:24] and developmental delay.
[2:13:25] As marijuana becomes more
[2:13:30] socially accepted and easier to
[2:13:31] access, many women MAY assume
[2:13:31] it is harmless because it is
[2:13:36] often described as natural or
[2:13:36] even promoted as a way to help
[2:13:37] with stress or nausea.
[2:13:38] But doctors are very clear that
[2:13:42] there are no medical
[2:13:42] indications for cannabis use
[2:13:43] during pregnancy or during
[2:13:43] the postpartum period or in
[2:13:48] fact at all.
[2:13:48] Thc crosses the placenta
[2:13:49] meaning a developing baby is
[2:13:54] exposed during critical stages
[2:13:54] of growth when the brain and
[2:13:55] body are especially vulnerable.
[2:14:00] Mothers deserve honest
[2:14:01] information to make these
[2:14:02] decisions for their baby that's
[2:14:02] growing inside them.
[2:14:06] And if we are serious about
[2:14:06] protecting maternal and child
[2:14:07] health then public policy
[2:14:08] should reflect the medical
[2:14:12] evidence showing prenatal
[2:14:13] cannabis use is dangerous and
[2:14:13] not go along with the marketing
[2:14:15] narrative that says it's not.
[2:14:21] Thank you.
[2:14:22] >> Thank you.
[2:14:22] Our next speaker is Hector.
[2:14:28] Please begin.
[2:14:28] >> All right.
[2:14:29] The immigration front has
[2:14:29] stepped forward on the Supreme
[2:14:33] Court just ruled temporary
[2:14:34] legal status has been revoked
[2:14:38] for a million people.
[2:14:39] So anybody that works for this
[2:14:44] city who has temporary legal
[2:14:44] status you just got fired.
[2:14:45] Your history.
[2:14:49] You don't want the city aiding
[2:14:50] and abetting them with paydays.
[2:14:56] So talk to city Attorney that's
[2:14:57] aiding and abetting the guys
[2:15:01] with temporary legal service as
[2:15:02] status has been revoked.
[2:15:03] You're here $1,000 a day fine
[2:15:07] to be here illegally.
[2:15:08] So if you have any money in
[2:15:09] the bank you might want to take
[2:15:14] it out before Trump just brings
[2:15:15] on ice with the big teeth and
[2:15:15] then you can to play that game
[2:15:19] No more.
[2:15:20] Even though Somali guys have
[2:15:21] temporary legal status, there
[2:15:26] has to be then get back on
[2:15:26] the boat.
[2:15:27] They don't hold man for you
[2:15:31] Suffer too much.
[2:15:32] Save your suffering for Somalia
[2:15:37] and the homelands like Haiti
[2:15:38] and all other great countries.
[2:15:42] Please go back to your great
[2:15:43] country because The Iceman
[2:15:43] cometh.
[2:15:48] We got to change the song
[2:15:49] the theme song in San Diego to
[2:15:53] Ice Ice Baby.
[2:15:54] And I love those cameras.
[2:15:54] They just put a bunch more down
[2:15:59] by Fashion Valley.
[2:15:59] The brand new ones they
[2:16:00] installed about 20 of them so
[2:16:00] far.
[2:16:04] If you're in fashion Valley you
[2:16:05] might want to go somewhere else
[2:16:06] But there's a lot of cameras
[2:16:06] just brand new ones on
[2:16:10] the falls.
[2:16:11] They look state of the art So I
[2:16:12] don't know who's watching those
[2:16:16] cameras but you do and watch
[2:16:16] just the way it is.
[2:16:21] The mass rapid deportations are
[2:16:22] going to get better.
[2:16:22] There's other things that's
[2:16:23] going to happen.
[2:16:26] Trump's got to get the all
[2:16:27] the computerized programs and
[2:16:28] it's going to be pretty easy Do
[2:16:32] that does conclude your time.
[2:16:35] Our next speaker is caller with
[2:16:36] the last four digits 8700
[2:16:41] please begin.
[2:16:47] >> >> Joy of senator all city
[2:16:52] needs a new vision that fosters
[2:16:53] all components of our budget.
[2:16:58] Dear public all of you each of
[2:17:02] you are at the very top of
[2:17:03] the city organization chart.
[2:17:08] There has been a lot of
[2:17:09] passionate fighting in
[2:17:09] the chambers lately Fight for a
[2:17:14] budget, fight for a trash free
[2:17:19] fight for a parking fee fight
[2:17:20] against hate crimes and lots
[2:17:20] lots more.
[2:17:24] Yet in my opinion something is
[2:17:24] missing.
[2:17:25] We need a new vision for
[2:17:29] the city of San Diego.
[2:17:30] A noble vision for the great
[2:17:35] city We want to become.
[2:17:35] This would be the kickstart we
[2:17:40] need for the boldness we need
[2:17:40] to unravel.
[2:17:45] And so what is not working at
[2:17:49] our city structure will core
[2:17:50] your public.
[2:17:55] All of you are at the very top
[2:17:55] of our city's organization
[2:17:56] chart.
[2:18:00] Let's work together as one to
[2:18:01] create a new more noble Excuse
[2:18:05] me.
[2:18:06] Let's work together as one to
[2:18:11] create a new noble vision for
[2:18:11] our beautiful city.
[2:18:15] Now I love you all and I want
[2:18:16] to finish with wishing all of
[2:18:20] you a really wonderful 4th of
[2:18:21] JULY legislative recess.
[2:18:22] See you when you get back.
[2:18:22] Thank you.
[2:18:24] And I will speak to fast
[2:18:28] spreading love to all.
[2:18:29] Thank you.
[2:18:30] Our next speaker in Casco
[2:18:38] please begin.
[2:18:38] Ernie Casco once again.
[2:18:39] What is the main issue at
[2:18:43] Torrey Pines Glider Port?
[2:18:44] We the people are being forced
[2:18:45] to buy insurance now required
[2:18:48] by law and an access pass
[2:18:49] waiver to use public park.
[2:18:53] This is insurance fraud and
[2:18:54] misappropriation of public
[2:18:55] funds and going into private
[2:18:58] accounts.
[2:18:58] A racketeering operation which
[2:18:59] demands full transparency city
[2:19:02] audit that would end
[2:19:03] the corruption within Torrey
[2:19:04] Pines Great Port Management.
[2:19:07] City Council has a proven
[2:19:08] solution The San Diego
[2:19:09] recreational waiver secures
[2:19:12] city liabilities, isolates
[2:19:13] safety concerns and stops
[2:19:14] the illegal collection of
[2:19:17] public funding and the private
[2:19:18] accounts By separating
[2:19:19] the business from normal free
[2:19:23] public access by allowing
[2:19:24] the business to stay and pay
[2:19:24] their own bills are failing
[2:19:25] like every other business in
[2:19:28] public parks and lands.
[2:19:29] There are laws to protect us.
[2:19:32] Who is liable?
[2:19:37] The City Council is responsible
[2:19:37] to provide police reports that
[2:19:38] normally provide justice for
[2:19:42] the victims and witnesses who
[2:19:43] have been damaged by your
[2:19:43] leaseholder.
[2:19:44] There are common business laws
[2:19:47] to protect the public on how
[2:19:48] businesses should be run in
[2:19:48] public parks and lands.
[2:19:52] You need to apply those rules
[2:19:52] to your leaseholder.
[2:19:53] The San Diego recreational
[2:19:57] waiver is a win for City
[2:19:57] council liabilities.
[2:19:58] Using common contract laws that
[2:20:01] legally restores
[2:20:02] the recreational rights and
[2:20:02] freedoms for years to come.
[2:20:06] Thank you, Ernie Casco.
[2:20:07] It's time for you to stop
[2:20:11] the crime in your own office or
[2:20:12] step out of office.
[2:20:12] >> Representing San Diego Hoya
[2:20:16] residents.
[2:20:19] >> >> Our next speaker is John
[2:20:19] Stump.
[2:20:24] >> Please begin.
[2:20:24] >> Thank you.
[2:20:29] Happy Philippines Independence
[2:20:29] Weekend and United States
[2:20:34] independence Weekend.
[2:20:34] I want to speak I want to
[2:20:39] request that the council read
[2:20:42] Docket Ordinance 0261 one nine
[2:20:48] on the fees to register an
[2:20:57] appeal The Council made
[2:20:57] the determination that work was
[2:21:03] based not on reasonable or
[2:21:03] rational basis costs The city
[2:21:07] appeal costs are now if c Dixit
[2:21:07] and the staff report that
[2:21:08] the fees were based on
[2:21:12] contained obvious mathematical
[2:21:12] errors.
[2:21:14] I you know I'm protesting these
[2:21:20] fees because it now excludes
[2:21:25] the common man.
[2:21:25] I can't believe that Democrats
[2:21:30] would set fees so high to
[2:21:34] exclude the participation of
[2:21:35] the common working man.
[2:21:40] Fees are now so high that it's
[2:21:40] the same as rent.
[2:21:44] Additionally, I've asked MISS
[2:21:45] Fuentes to contact me
[2:21:50] concerning the appeal notice
[2:21:50] that is being sent out for
[2:21:54] appeals before the City Council
[2:21:59] for quasi judicial hearings.
[2:22:00] There's one set for the seventh
[2:22:04] and the way it's set up is
[2:22:04] the defendant.
[2:22:05] The executive branch gets
[2:22:09] notice and participation while
[2:22:13] the appellant gets no
[2:22:13] recognition.
[2:22:14] That whole notice has to be re
[2:22:18] sent out or revised or
[2:22:18] something.
[2:22:23] It's seriously flawed and
[2:22:23] doesn't meet legal standards.
[2:22:28] So I asked City Clerk Fuentes
[2:22:29] to call me.
[2:22:29] >> Thank you.
[2:22:30] Thank you for your time.
[2:22:30] Thank you.
[2:22:33] Our next and last speaker is
[2:22:33] Judy Strang.
[2:22:42] Please begin.
[2:22:42] >> Good afternoon.
[2:22:43] Excuse me.
[2:22:46] Good afternoon, City Council.
[2:22:47] Thank you for the all
[2:22:51] the behind the scenes
[2:22:52] operations that allow those of
[2:22:52] us who are on the worksite
[2:22:53] today to call in and share some
[2:22:56] thoughts and observations
[2:22:57] because of the experiences that
[2:22:58] we have that are applicable we
[2:23:01] think to the decisions you are
[2:23:02] making.
[2:23:02] I wanted to continue my
[2:23:06] thoughts when I spoke to s54
[2:23:07] regarding Alzheimer's and brain
[2:23:11] awareness Month.
[2:23:12] And I mentioned I think that
[2:23:12] there's two sort of issues
[2:23:13] going on.
[2:23:15] One both of which I'm familiar
[2:23:19] with a family member who has a
[2:23:20] traumatic brain injury choice
[2:23:24] he didn't make And it's been
[2:23:25] horrific for him and
[2:23:25] caregivers.
[2:23:26] And then on the other hand,
[2:23:29] another family member who's
[2:23:30] unfortunately wasted his
[2:23:34] beautiful brain because he
[2:23:38] began his marijuana use at 17.
[2:23:39] And we all know I think it's
[2:23:43] been pretty clear from
[2:23:44] the research that adolescent
[2:23:47] brains continue to be formed up
[2:23:48] until they're 25.
[2:23:48] That's partially why marijuana
[2:23:49] addiction is considered a
[2:23:52] pediatric onset disease.
[2:23:53] And so preventing young people
[2:23:57] from initiating marijuana and
[2:23:58] other drug use is really their
[2:23:58] best chance for fulfilling
[2:24:01] their potential.
[2:24:02] A research that I think we MAY
[2:24:03] have mentioned before but I
[2:24:07] think comes as no new news to
[2:24:08] you all that what children and
[2:24:11] young adults see in their city
[2:24:12] affects how they feel about
[2:24:15] choices They make a particular
[2:24:16] or this research suggests that
[2:24:17] the commercial marijuana
[2:24:20] enterprises that are in their
[2:24:21] community, in their
[2:24:21] neighborhoods mutes their
[2:24:25] perception of risk and
[2:24:26] increases the use of
[2:24:26] the substances.
[2:24:31] Which also compounded here in
[2:24:32] the city of San Diego because
[2:24:32] we have billboards and you
[2:24:35] don't see billboards for Fenton
[2:24:36] all that you sure do for
[2:24:37] marijuana.
[2:24:37] And so again, we're headed into
[2:24:40] summer time.
[2:24:41] We have young people out there
[2:24:41] recreating and it's important
[2:24:44] for us to look around our city
[2:24:45] and see what influences our
[2:24:45] choices.
[2:24:46] >> Thank you.
[2:24:46] Thank you.
[2:24:50] That does conclude knowledge
[2:24:51] and the public on it.
[2:24:51] All right.
[2:24:52] Thank you, Deputy Clerk We are
[2:24:54] now adjourned for the noon
[2:24:55] recess and reconvene open
[2:24:55] session at 2 P.M. Or shortly
[2:25:03] thereafter.
[2:40:39] >> And
[2:40:39] the already thank you for your
[2:40:40] patience.
[2:40:40] >> Good afternoon.
[2:40:43] I will now reconvene the City
[2:40:43] Council meeting of Tuesday,
[2:40:44] JUNE 30th, 2026.
[2:40:47] Clerk Please call the roll.
[2:40:48] >> >> Thank you.
[2:40:52] Council PRESIDENT Councilmember
[2:40:53] Campbell Councilmember Whitburn
[2:40:58] Councilmember Foster here.
[2:41:02] Councilmember Von Wilpert
[2:41:03] Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee
[2:41:07] Councilmember Ocampo.
[2:41:07] Councilmember Moreno
[2:41:11] Councilmember Ella Rivera and
[2:41:12] Council PRESIDENT LaCava
[2:41:17] present also attending
[2:41:17] the meeting are Assistant City
[2:41:18] Attorney Michelle Garland,
[2:41:18] independent budget analyst
[2:41:22] Charles Monica, Council Affairs
[2:41:22] advisor in the Mayor's office,
[2:41:26] Code advisor and myself here
[2:41:27] Deputy City Clerk Kevin Smith
[2:41:28] All right, thank you Deputy
[2:41:29] Clerk And with that
[2:41:30] Councilmember Foster, can you
[2:41:35] read your statement?
[2:41:35] Yes, Thank you.
[2:41:40] Council PRESIDENT I am
[2:41:41] notifying the city council and
[2:41:45] the public that I am attending
[2:41:46] the meeting today remotely due
[2:41:46] to just cause related to travel
[2:41:49] while on official business
[2:41:50] pursuant to the Brown Act I am
[2:41:51] disclosing that there are no
[2:41:55] individuals 18 years of age or
[2:41:56] older present in the room with
[2:41:59] me I will update this
[2:42:00] disclosure if it changes during
[2:42:04] the course of the meeting.
[2:42:04] >> All right.
[2:42:05] Thank you sir.
[2:42:09] A quorum is now present for our
[2:42:10] first order of business This
[2:42:10] afternoon we have a request
[2:42:13] from staff to return item 331.
[2:42:14] I would like to make a
[2:42:14] statement.
[2:42:23] Michael, but there you go.
[2:42:23] Okay.
[2:42:24] Thank you.
[2:42:24] Council PRESIDENT Michael
[2:42:27] Prinz, Assistant deputy
[2:42:28] director in the Development
[2:42:28] Services Department staff is
[2:42:29] requesting that the item be
[2:42:32] returned to staff to allow
[2:42:33] further review of
[2:42:33] the appellant's letter received
[2:42:36] on Thursday, JUNE 25th and then
[2:42:37] to bring that back at a later
[2:42:37] date.
[2:42:40] >> All right.
[2:42:41] Thank you, sir.
[2:42:41] I take notice of public
[2:42:46] hearings pretty seriously And
[2:42:46] so in addition to the staff's
[2:42:47] request, I also ask them to
[2:42:50] give us evidence that
[2:42:51] the appellant in fact is
[2:42:51] comfortable with this being
[2:42:54] delayed to take into
[2:42:55] consideration the additional
[2:42:55] information.
[2:42:59] So without objection that my
[2:43:00] colleagues will return this
[2:43:00] item to staff and look for it
[2:43:04] to be in docketed probably
[2:43:04] after the summer recess.
[2:43:08] Thank you sir.
[2:43:09] With that clerk Deputy Clerk
[2:43:14] please introduce item 330.
[2:43:17] >> Item 330 is residential
[2:43:18] rental price gouging, fee
[2:43:20] exploitation and cost
[2:43:40] transparency Ordinance Um
[2:43:40] Council member Yellow Do we
[2:43:41] want to make some opening
[2:43:43] comments before turning it over
[2:43:44] to your team?
[2:43:44] >> Thank you.
[2:43:48] Council PRESIDENT All right.
[2:43:48] Last year the council had a
[2:43:49] select committee to address
[2:43:53] the cost of living and a lot of
[2:43:54] good work happened there
[2:43:54] including the residential
[2:43:57] tenant utility ordinance.
[2:43:58] And when that item came to
[2:43:59] council there was a message we
[2:44:00] heard from many renters across
[2:44:03] San Diego that while that
[2:44:03] ordinance would be helpful
[2:44:07] there were there was still a
[2:44:08] sea of fees that they were
[2:44:12] drowning in and having a real
[2:44:12] impact on their ability to
[2:44:16] afford to live in San Diego.
[2:44:17] So today you will have an
[2:44:17] opportunity to discuss and
[2:44:21] workshop a draft ordinance
[2:44:21] meant to protect renters
[2:44:22] throughout San Diego During
[2:44:23] public comment we will hear
[2:44:26] stories from San Diegans that
[2:44:26] have experienced and continue
[2:44:30] to face junk fees every day.
[2:44:31] We also hear opposition to
[2:44:32] the ordinance as we do every
[2:44:35] time we take and take steps to
[2:44:36] protect renters in this city we
[2:44:37] will hear that it will be
[2:44:40] impossible to be a landlord.
[2:44:40] But there are examples
[2:44:41] throughout the country of
[2:44:44] similar ordinances that provide
[2:44:45] the same protections that are
[2:44:45] being presented here today.
[2:44:50] What I think we need to make
[2:44:50] clear is who the city is
[2:44:54] actually working for and it
[2:44:55] should be every day San Diegans
[2:44:56] that make up the heart of our
[2:44:59] city not corporate interests.
[2:45:00] And with that I'll hand it over
[2:45:01] to Jeffrey to begin
[2:45:04] the presentation.
[2:45:04] Thank you.
[2:45:09] Hello, Council PRESIDENT.
[2:45:10] Like other members of the City
[2:45:11] council, my name is Jeffrey
[2:45:11] Nguyen.
[2:45:12] I'm presenting on behalf of
[2:45:13] Councilmember Isla Rivera and
[2:45:14] presenting item 330 residential
[2:45:15] rental price gouging for
[2:45:18] exploitation and cost
[2:45:18] transparency ordinance.
[2:45:23] >> I need about ten minutes.
[2:45:24] >> Item 330 is an informational
[2:45:28] item I'll be going over
[2:45:28] the draft ordinance and we are
[2:45:29] seeking input from the public
[2:45:33] and council members.
[2:45:34] >> First our fight background
[2:45:36] and additional context and one
[2:45:37] we are bringing forward this
[2:45:37] proposed ordinance.
[2:45:41] The purpose of this ordinance
[2:45:42] is to make housing more
[2:45:42] affordable.
[2:45:43] Respond to concerns or requests
[2:45:46] we have heard from San Diegans
[2:45:46] and to promote fairness, equity
[2:45:47] and transparency regarding how
[2:45:50] landlords charge fees to
[2:45:50] residential tenants and
[2:45:55] applicants.
[2:45:55] >> This item was originally
[2:45:56] brought forward at the Select
[2:46:00] Committee on Addressing Cost of
[2:46:01] Living on OCTOBER 30th, 2025.
[2:46:01] The item in committee presented
[2:46:05] a proposed aspects to be
[2:46:06] drafted into the draft
[2:46:06] ordinance as part of the Action
[2:46:10] Council District four and nine
[2:46:10] were directed to work with
[2:46:11] the City Attorney's Office to
[2:46:14] draft an ordinance to be later
[2:46:14] presented for discussion which
[2:46:19] we are doing here today.
[2:46:20] At the same time this item was
[2:46:21] heard at committee the county
[2:46:25] was simultaneously working on a
[2:46:25] similar ordinance.
[2:46:26] Our office partnered with
[2:46:26] the offices of Supervisor
[2:46:30] Montgomery Staab and Supervisor
[2:46:30] Gary to develop similar
[2:46:34] ordinances for the city and
[2:46:35] the county.
[2:46:35] Since last year we have worked
[2:46:36] together to draft all our
[2:46:38] ordinances and they mirror each
[2:46:42] other as much as possible.
[2:46:43] This is a brief overview of
[2:46:46] the rental market per Redfin in
[2:46:47] quarter three of 2024 in
[2:46:50] the San Diego metro area 48% of
[2:46:53] San Diegans were renters And as
[2:46:54] of MAY 2026 the average rent in
[2:46:55] San Diego was approximate
[2:46:59] Approximately $3,027.
[2:47:02] Of the renters in San Diego
[2:47:03] about 110,000 are cost burdened
[2:47:03] or pay more than 30% of their
[2:47:07] income to rent.
[2:47:08] This chart shows the proportion
[2:47:09] of recent renters by the number
[2:47:12] of applications they submitted.
[2:47:13] A 2024 report by the White
[2:47:13] House Council of Economic
[2:47:17] Advisors reports the burden of
[2:47:21] application fees totaled 176
[2:47:21] million each year.
[2:47:25] A 2025 Zillow Consumer Housing
[2:47:25] Trends report noted fees MAY
[2:47:29] not apply equally throughout
[2:47:30] the rental market.
[2:47:30] Recent renters of color
[2:47:34] reported paying higher total
[2:47:34] amounts in application fees.
[2:47:38] They are also more likely to
[2:47:39] report paying at least one
[2:47:39] recurring fee and renters
[2:47:43] between the ages of 18 and 29
[2:47:46] are most likely to pay at least
[2:47:52] one recurring fee.
[2:47:52] San Diego are cost burdened.
[2:47:56] Cost of living expenses are
[2:47:57] going up but working families
[2:48:01] incomes are not keeping pace.
[2:48:01] Jeung fees are a growing
[2:48:02] problem burdening San Diegans.
[2:48:06] On the following slide our real
[2:48:07] example shared to our Office of
[2:48:07] Fees.
[2:48:08] Tenants have been charged
[2:48:10] renting in San Diego.
[2:48:11] This slide shows an additional
[2:48:12] fee to tenants for choosing a
[2:48:18] month to month lease option.
[2:48:19] >> This is a quote from a San
[2:48:20] Diego n whose landlord removed
[2:48:22] their garage from their rent
[2:48:23] agreement unless they paid an
[2:48:28] additional $600 fee per month.
[2:48:29] >> The next two slides are from
[2:48:32] another San Diego and who
[2:48:33] struggle to find a new home on
[2:48:33] short notice.
[2:48:36] Their landlord gave them 60 day
[2:48:37] notice to move out with a
[2:48:38] household of eight three adults
[2:48:38] and five children.
[2:48:41] They had a pay application and
[2:48:42] screening fees for three adults
[2:48:43] for every unit they applied to.
[2:48:46] They spent over $400 to apply
[2:48:46] not to get housing just to
[2:48:50] apply.
[2:48:51] They shared with our office
[2:48:52] that every denied application
[2:48:55] was met with the same response
[2:48:56] that someone else has chosen or
[2:48:59] they had too many application.
[2:49:00] >> In all of these instances
[2:49:04] the landlord kept that money.
[2:49:05] >> Rental fees Are any payment
[2:49:10] or charged imposed by a
[2:49:11] landlord to a tenant.
[2:49:11] A rental fee does not include
[2:49:14] rent late fees security
[2:49:15] deposits and utility charges.
[2:49:16] Here are some examples of
[2:49:16] rental fees that tenants MAY
[2:49:19] need to pay to find a home or
[2:49:20] to continue living in their
[2:49:23] home.
[2:49:24] >> Other jurisdictions have
[2:49:25] begun taking actions against
[2:49:28] unnecessary or excessive fee
[2:49:29] practices.
[2:49:29] Bellingham, Washington Captain
[2:49:33] Late fees do 2% of outstanding
[2:49:34] monthly rent past due cap
[2:49:34] security deposits and
[2:49:38] prohibitive fee for the use of
[2:49:39] in unit appliances.
[2:49:42] Access to common areas and more
[2:49:43] .
[2:49:43] >> The State of Virginia
[2:49:48] requires fee transparency
[2:49:48] capped late fees and provided a
[2:49:49] grace period for the late
[2:49:53] payment of rent.
[2:49:53] >> The state of Colorado
[2:49:54] prohibits persons from
[2:49:58] misrepresenting the pricing of
[2:49:58] goods and services and
[2:49:59] prohibited landlords from
[2:50:03] requiring tenants to pay a fee
[2:50:03] for the processing of rents and
[2:50:04] for the services necessary to
[2:50:05] comply with
[2:50:05] the responsibilities or
[2:50:11] obligation of the landlord.
[2:50:12] The state of Colorado also
[2:50:12] restricted pet deposits, pet
[2:50:16] rents and pet related rental
[2:50:16] fees.
[2:50:17] This graph shows the housing
[2:50:21] market in Colorado in response
[2:50:22] to the bill.
[2:50:22] The blue vertical line shows
[2:50:25] the implementation date and
[2:50:26] the graph shows the proportion
[2:50:27] of rentals that were pet
[2:50:27] friendly.
[2:50:29] As you can see the proportion
[2:50:30] of pet friendly units did not
[2:50:34] decrease.
[2:50:35] There are a number of state
[2:50:36] laws that regulate and provide
[2:50:36] certain protections on rental
[2:50:39] fees.
[2:50:40] Our proposal builds on current
[2:50:40] state law to provide additional
[2:50:44] needed protections.
[2:50:45] With this background this leads
[2:50:51] into our policy proposal Since
[2:50:52] MAY 19th when the item was
[2:50:53] originally scheduled to be
[2:50:55] heard, there has been one
[2:50:56] addition to the draft.
[2:50:57] I would like to note under
[2:50:57] exemptions we have added
[2:50:59] the exemption of affordable
[2:51:04] housing excluding Section eight
[2:51:04] .
[2:51:05] The proposed ordinance is
[2:51:06] divided into two main portions
[2:51:10] charges to applicants and
[2:51:10] charges to tenants under
[2:51:11] charges to applicants.
[2:51:11] A landlord shall accept an
[2:51:14] applicant screening report and
[2:51:15] not charge the applicant for
[2:51:16] the landlord to separately
[2:51:18] obtain any information
[2:51:19] including included in
[2:51:24] the applicant screening report
[2:51:24] .
[2:51:24] A landlord MAY charge an
[2:51:25] applicant a holding deposit in
[2:51:28] an amount not to exceed 5% of
[2:51:28] monthly rent for
[2:51:29] the residential rental property
[2:51:32] being held.
[2:51:33] If the landlord and applicant
[2:51:33] applicant fail to finalize a
[2:51:37] lease the landlord shall refund
[2:51:38] the holding deposit to
[2:51:38] the applicant or apply
[2:51:42] the holding deposit to rent or
[2:51:43] the security deposit.
[2:51:46] If they fail to finalize a
[2:51:47] lease at no fault of
[2:51:48] the applicant the landlord
[2:51:48] shall refund the holding
[2:51:51] deposit within five business
[2:51:51] days from the date the hold on
[2:51:56] the property expires and
[2:52:01] charges to tenants.
[2:52:02] A landlord tenant charge a
[2:52:02] tenant recurring fees and a
[2:52:05] cumulative amount and greater
[2:52:06] than 5% of monthly rent If a
[2:52:06] fee is recurring at intervals
[2:52:10] other than monthly.
[2:52:10] The landlord shall prorate
[2:52:14] the fee to a monthly rate for
[2:52:15] the purposes of this section.
[2:52:16] A landlord shall not charge a
[2:52:19] tenant a late fee in an amount
[2:52:20] greater than 2% of monthly
[2:52:20] rent.
[2:52:24] A Landlords are not charged a
[2:52:25] tenant a late fee unless rent
[2:52:28] is overdue by seven days or
[2:52:28] greater.
[2:52:29] A landlord shall apply any
[2:52:32] payments by or on behalf of
[2:52:33] the tenant first to rent and do
[2:52:34] and then to any unpaid late
[2:52:40] fees a landlord charge that
[2:52:41] charge a tenant an amount
[2:52:42] greater than the processing fee
[2:52:45] imposed on the landlord.
[2:52:46] A Landlords are not charged a
[2:52:50] tenant a fee for services
[2:52:50] solicited by a landlord to
[2:52:51] maintain the residential rental
[2:52:55] property in a habitable
[2:52:55] condition.
[2:52:56] >> For example pest control a
[2:52:59] landlord shall not charge a
[2:53:00] tenant a fee for a tenant to
[2:53:01] own or maintain a common
[2:53:03] household pet at their
[2:53:08] residential rental property.
[2:53:09] The American Society for
[2:53:09] the Prevention of Cruelty to
[2:53:12] Animals The aspca provided our
[2:53:13] office data and insight into
[2:53:14] pet fees in San Diego.
[2:53:18] Pet related charges are shown
[2:53:18] here.
[2:53:19] They are broken down by pet
[2:53:22] fees, pet deposits and pet rent
[2:53:22] .
[2:53:23] Many of these fees were charged
[2:53:27] per pet.
[2:53:28] >> Finally a landlord shall not
[2:53:32] charge a tenant if he does not
[2:53:33] specified in the lease.
[2:53:33] A tenant MAY agree in writing
[2:53:37] to a proposed fee not specify
[2:53:38] it in the lease.
[2:53:38] After the landlord provides a
[2:53:39] written notice to the tenant
[2:53:42] not less than 30 days before
[2:53:43] the fee is intended to go into
[2:53:47] effect the written notice shall
[2:53:47] include the following purpose
[2:53:52] for the fee total amount of
[2:53:53] the fee in the amount of each
[2:53:53] charge of the fee if charged in
[2:53:56] intervals the duration the fee
[2:53:57] will be charged if charged in
[2:54:00] intervals The commencement
[2:54:01] date.
[2:54:01] The fee will be charged an
[2:54:05] itemized billing for the fee.
[2:54:06] In other words, a tenant can
[2:54:07] reject a proposed new fee Their
[2:54:11] landlord is trying to impose
[2:54:11] that has not already been
[2:54:15] specified in the lease.
[2:54:16] >> a landlord shall disclose in
[2:54:20] a clear conspicuous manner
[2:54:21] the following information on
[2:54:21] any website or advertisement
[2:54:25] that list an available rental.
[2:54:25] The total amount of charges for
[2:54:29] submission and consideration of
[2:54:30] an application to lease a
[2:54:31] residential rental property an
[2:54:34] itemized as to each charge
[2:54:35] the total monthly rent
[2:54:35] the total amount of fees
[2:54:39] whether the fees are optional
[2:54:40] or required, the nature and
[2:54:43] purpose of the fees and
[2:54:43] the timing and frequency
[2:54:48] the fees will be charged.
[2:54:49] >> a landlord's itemized all
[2:54:54] fees distinct from rent in
[2:54:54] the lease and on any bill or
[2:54:55] invoice to the tenant Each fee
[2:54:56] must be intelligible and
[2:55:01] distinct from other fees.
[2:55:02] On this slide is a current
[2:55:03] example pulled from various
[2:55:03] Zillow listings.
[2:55:07] A fee transparency and fee
[2:55:07] disclosure in an online
[2:55:11] advertisement.
[2:55:11] >> This concludes
[2:55:12] the presentation.
[2:55:16] For the sake of time I provided
[2:55:17] a high level overview of
[2:55:17] the ordinance and I'm happy to
[2:55:21] go over any portion in detail.
[2:55:22] >> Thank you.
[2:55:22] Thank you Jeffrey.
[2:55:23] Counselors I'll just conclude
[2:55:25] by saying again this is a
[2:55:26] conversation that started last
[2:55:26] year.
[2:55:27] I want to thank Councilmember
[2:55:30] Foster for his partnership
[2:55:31] since committee and the work of
[2:55:35] his office in addition to
[2:55:35] the partnership of our
[2:55:36] colleagues at the county
[2:55:40] supervisor Montgomery Step in
[2:55:40] Supervisor Gary they've all
[2:55:41] been very helpful in getting us
[2:55:41] to this point.
[2:55:42] >> Thank you, Council
[2:55:42] PRESIDENT.
[2:55:45] All right then Councilmember
[2:55:46] Ella Rivera and your officers
[2:55:49] work And to Jeremy and Maya for
[2:55:50] the presentation.
[2:55:50] With that deputy clerk please
[2:55:56] proceed with public comment.
[2:55:57] >> Thank you.
[2:55:57] Council PRESIDENT.
[2:55:58] This item received five
[2:56:00] comments in favor and 27
[2:56:01] comments in opposition via our
[2:56:05] e comment form which has been
[2:56:06] distributed to the Council.
[2:56:06] Each speaker will have one
[2:56:06] minute.
[2:56:10] We will begin with in-person
[2:56:10] comment.
[2:56:12] Diandra kron please come.
[2:56:17] Please come forward.
[2:56:18] And after diandra we will have
[2:56:19] William Snell.
[2:56:22] Stephanie Benvenuto and Susan
[2:56:22] Ornelas.
[2:56:27] Please come sit in the front
[2:56:28] row and be ready to speak.
[2:56:28] >> Please begin.
[2:56:28] Good afternoon.
[2:56:32] Council members.
[2:56:32] My name is Deandra Cryan.
[2:56:33] I'm a vice PRESIDENT And
[2:56:34] Assistant general counsel for
[2:56:36] Valley Living for Compliance
[2:56:37] and Environmental Health.
[2:56:38] I'm also a local California
[2:56:38] resident.
[2:56:41] I'm here today regarding
[2:56:42] the proposed fee restrictions
[2:56:42] on housing providers
[2:56:46] specifically as they relate to
[2:56:46] valet trash.
[2:56:47] Valet living has set
[2:56:50] the standard for amenity
[2:56:51] multifamily waste management
[2:56:52] management for over 30 years.
[2:56:55] We service more than 2 million
[2:56:56] apartment homes every night
[2:57:00] across the United States and in
[2:57:00] San Diego County alone.
[2:57:04] We employ 128 w2 Associates
[2:57:05] with an annual payroll of 1.6
[2:57:06] million.
[2:57:06] Many of those part time workers
[2:57:10] local to the city who rely on
[2:57:11] their income to support their
[2:57:11] families.
[2:57:12] I want to be direct.
[2:57:15] Valley trash is not a baseline
[2:57:16] habitability service.
[2:57:20] It's an operational add on
[2:57:21] amenity designed to enhance and
[2:57:21] optimize waste management,
[2:57:25] improve being resident
[2:57:26] satisfaction, waste diversion
[2:57:26] and safety.
[2:57:30] We support strong disclosure
[2:57:35] however.
[2:57:35] >> Thank you.
[2:57:36] That concludes your time.
[2:57:36] Thank you.
[2:57:39] Our next speaker is William
[2:57:40] Snell.
[2:57:45] >> William, you have a Amanda
[2:57:46] MacDonald seating you time
[2:57:47] Amanda can you raise your hand?
[2:57:50] >> Thank you.
[2:57:50] And you also have a
[2:57:51] presentation which our staff
[2:57:54] will um.
[2:57:55] Oh good.
[2:57:55] Yeah.
[2:58:04] Okay.
[2:58:05] >> Uh, first of all, good
[2:58:07] afternoon to everyone.
[2:58:13] Next slide please.
[2:58:14] Circa 1980, my parents built a
[2:58:18] small apartment building within
[2:58:19] a moderate walking distance
[2:58:19] from where we are now located.
[2:58:23] We currently have tenants that
[2:58:24] have been there 12 years 18
[2:58:27] years on the state over 20
[2:58:28] years.
[2:58:29] We try to provide a quality
[2:58:32] environment at a very
[2:58:33] reasonable price.
[2:58:38] Next slide please.
[2:58:38] I have never charged for
[2:58:39] screening fee.
[2:58:39] I've never charged anyone at
[2:58:41] any time for screening for a
[2:58:45] period.
[2:58:50] Next slide please.
[2:58:51] I do not use holding deposits.
[2:58:52] I believe the handshake between
[2:58:56] honorable individuals should be
[2:58:56] entirely adequate.
[2:59:00] Next slide please.
[2:59:01] I do not charge for water.
[2:59:07] Pest control or trash?
[2:59:07] I can remember a time when
[2:59:10] the city of San Diego picked up
[2:59:14] the trash for free.
[2:59:14] Next slide please.
[2:59:20] I have not charged a late fee
[2:59:21] in over a decade and that
[2:59:24] individual had more problems
[2:59:29] than just a late fee.
[2:59:30] Next slide please.
[2:59:34] I do not charge for parking.
[2:59:35] Neighbors have come to my
[2:59:35] property.
[2:59:36] And by the way I do not claim
[2:59:36] ownership.
[2:59:39] I am only a steward of
[2:59:40] the small family business.
[2:59:41] Neighbors have come to my
[2:59:45] property and requested to rent
[2:59:45] parking spaces.
[2:59:46] Next slide please.
[2:59:51] I've always turned them down
[2:59:51] because I believe the parking
[2:59:52] spaces should be deemed to
[2:59:56] the residents who have first
[2:59:56] priority.
[2:59:57] But the neighborhood does
[3:00:00] desperately need more parking.
[3:00:00] Next slide, please.
[3:00:06] There was a widespread
[3:00:07] discussion of disclosure of all
[3:00:11] manner of fees timing, purpose
[3:00:11] .
[3:00:12] >> That does conclude your
[3:00:12] time.
[3:00:13] Thank you.
[3:00:17] Fast forward to the last slide
[3:00:17] .
[3:00:18] I'm sorry, sir.
[3:00:19] That does conclude your time.
[3:00:28] We want to move on.
[3:00:29] >> I want to go after that.
[3:00:29] Our next speaker is Stephanie
[3:00:30] Benvenuto.
[3:00:34] Stephanie, you have four people
[3:00:35] sitting your time.
[3:00:35] When I call your name, please
[3:00:36] raise your hand.
[3:00:39] Matt Aubrey.
[3:00:40] I didn't make it in time.
[3:00:40] Okay.
[3:00:43] James Lawson.
[3:00:49] Ilya Ramirez.
[3:00:50] No.
[3:00:55] And Crystal Valentine.
[3:00:55] Crystal.
[3:00:56] Okay.
[3:01:00] You will have two minutes.
[3:01:01] >> Okay.
[3:01:01] Cool.
[3:01:01] Thank you.
[3:01:02] My name's Stephanie Benvenuto.
[3:01:05] I'm here on behalf of the San
[3:01:06] Diego Building Industry
[3:01:06] Association and I want to
[3:01:07] respectfully oppose this
[3:01:10] proposal.
[3:01:11] I'll start by recommitting to
[3:01:12] the goal that we share with you
[3:01:13] all which is adding more homes
[3:01:13] to our stock, thereby lowering
[3:01:16] the costs.
[3:01:17] We have significant concerns
[3:01:17] with this policy one because we
[3:01:18] believe it will be difficult to
[3:01:19] enact but secondarily because
[3:01:21] we think it jeopardizes
[3:01:22] investment that is necessary to
[3:01:23] build homes.
[3:01:23] We are very interested in
[3:01:28] the transparency item we do
[3:01:28] believe that that is a
[3:01:29] component that we can support
[3:01:30] and that is best practice.
[3:01:30] Many of our members already do
[3:01:31] that.
[3:01:34] Fundamentally the problem with
[3:01:34] the capital investment is that
[3:01:35] these homes don't get built by
[3:01:36] one wealthy individual.
[3:01:39] We have to go to a market that
[3:01:40] markets that the rate of return
[3:01:41] that rate of return is only met
[3:01:42] when people can recoup their
[3:01:45] cost of housing.
[3:01:45] This policy jeopardizes that
[3:01:46] with a more blanket approach.
[3:01:47] We think that there is far more
[3:01:51] room to continue to working
[3:01:51] with the authors office to
[3:01:52] identify something that's more
[3:01:53] functional, that avoids
[3:01:56] unintended consequences and
[3:01:57] that creates enough supply so
[3:01:58] that people have the options of
[3:01:58] where they live thereby
[3:02:02] limiting predatory behavior
[3:02:03] like what we're seeing and
[3:02:04] hearing so much of today.
[3:02:04] So again we ask for additional
[3:02:05] time to work with the author.
[3:02:08] We hope that our considerations
[3:02:09] are an unintended consequences
[3:02:09] are heard.
[3:02:10] We did submit a letter to you
[3:02:11] all highlighting some of those
[3:02:15] and we will be available for
[3:02:15] further discussion with you in
[3:02:16] your offices.
[3:02:16] Thank you.
[3:02:21] Thank you.
[3:02:26] Our next speaker is Susan Ellis
[3:02:26] .
[3:02:27] >> One minute please begin.
[3:02:27] Hi.
[3:02:28] Good afternoon, Council
[3:02:28] members.
[3:02:32] My name is Susan Ornelas and
[3:02:32] I'm a junior studying political
[3:02:33] science at Phenix State
[3:02:33] University.
[3:02:34] I grew up in an apartment with
[3:02:39] my siblings where my mom who
[3:02:39] was a single parent and
[3:02:40] the head of our household
[3:02:40] worked hard to keep a roof over
[3:02:41] our head.
[3:02:45] As a child I remember the worry
[3:02:45] on my mom's face every time our
[3:02:46] rent increased.
[3:02:49] So whether it was $50 or $100
[3:02:49] and at the time I didn't
[3:02:50] understand the numbers.
[3:02:51] I just knew our whole family
[3:02:54] carried that stress.
[3:02:55] Families deserve stability, not
[3:02:56] uncertainty requiring
[3:02:56] transparency and protecting
[3:03:01] renters from unnecessary
[3:03:01] charges help families plan
[3:03:02] budget and stay housed.
[3:03:03] Please support this ordinance
[3:03:06] and help make renting more fair
[3:03:07] and transparent.
[3:03:07] >> Thank you so much for your
[3:03:08] time.
[3:03:12] Thank you.
[3:03:13] Our next speaker is Sheila
[3:03:13] Barefoot and followed by
[3:03:19] Michelle of Finland, Joni
[3:03:19] Halpern, Caitlin McQuade and
[3:03:25] Annette Cabinet.
[3:03:26] >> Please come forward to
[3:03:27] the front row to be ready to
[3:03:27] speak.
[3:03:31] Sheila as she's coming up I
[3:03:32] can't figure out there's a lot
[3:03:32] of people probably in an hour
[3:03:35] in chambers for the very first
[3:03:36] time so we have a certain
[3:03:36] decorum rather than doing
[3:03:41] clapping.
[3:03:41] Whether you agree or disagree
[3:03:42] comes up if you agree with
[3:03:43] the speaker you want to
[3:03:47] indicate that to the council.
[3:03:48] Thumbs down if you disagree.
[3:03:48] And that allows us to keep
[3:03:49] the meeting going.
[3:03:53] So thank you very much for
[3:03:54] the courtesy.
[3:03:54] >> Good afternoon, Council
[3:03:55] members.
[3:03:59] My name is Sheila Barefoot.
[3:03:59] I'm a San Diego resident, a
[3:04:00] renter and a member of Human
[3:04:00] Right.
[3:04:05] I'm here today asking you to
[3:04:05] support the junk fee ordinance.
[3:04:06] As someone who experienced
[3:04:07] homelessness myself I can
[3:04:11] attest the difficulties of
[3:04:12] finding shelter.
[3:04:12] Not only is it the relentless
[3:04:17] rising costs of rent but
[3:04:17] the unpredictability factor of
[3:04:18] junk food that makes it a
[3:04:19] burden on San Diego Renters
[3:04:23] like myself.
[3:04:24] It was a hard climb back to
[3:04:24] being housed and the pressure
[3:04:25] of junk fees makes it
[3:04:30] unpredictable as I do have
[3:04:30] trash and sewer fees added to
[3:04:31] my rent.
[3:04:31] Many in our community who are
[3:04:35] seeking housing after
[3:04:36] homelessness not only find
[3:04:37] affordability a blockade but
[3:04:41] additional junk fees make it
[3:04:42] even more burdensome.
[3:04:43] Those who live on fixed or
[3:04:43] strict budgets need
[3:04:44] predictability.
[3:04:48] This ordinance will stop
[3:04:48] the exploitation and bring
[3:04:49] transparency.
[3:04:49] Again, I urge you to support
[3:04:53] the junk fee ordinance.
[3:04:54] Thank you for your time.
[3:04:54] Thank you.
[3:04:55] Our next speaker is Michelle
[3:05:00] Fenlon.
[3:05:01] Michelle, you have time to buy
[3:05:02] Juliet to Juliet Take advice.
[3:05:05] Okay, great.
[3:05:05] You'll have two minutes.
[3:05:06] Please begin.
[3:05:06] Good afternoon, council
[3:05:07] members.
[3:05:08] My name is Michelle Finland and
[3:05:12] I'm an advocate with the Heat
[3:05:12] network.
[3:05:13] I'm here to urge your full and
[3:05:14] urgent support of the junk fee
[3:05:14] ordinance.
[3:05:17] I became homeless in 2022 after
[3:05:18] fleeing a domestic violence
[3:05:19] situation and I remained that
[3:05:19] way for three years.
[3:05:23] I went from owning a thriving
[3:05:24] business and living in a
[3:05:25] beautiful apartment to working
[3:05:29] multiple service industry jobs
[3:05:30] while living out of my car.
[3:05:30] When you're homeless or
[3:05:35] exhausted, you're absolutely
[3:05:36] hungry and you're depressed and
[3:05:37] you're saving every last penny
[3:05:37] just to be able to rebuild your
[3:05:41] stability.
[3:05:42] Saving for a deposit became one
[3:05:42] of my last worries when I
[3:05:47] finally started applying for
[3:05:48] permits I hit a brick wall of
[3:05:49] predatory and hidden fees.
[3:05:53] I was really devastated to find
[3:05:54] out exactly how misleading
[3:05:54] advertisements were.
[3:05:59] Landlords are tacking on
[3:06:00] additional application fees.
[3:06:00] There's hidden administrative
[3:06:01] charges and every single time I
[3:06:05] thought I was going to get
[3:06:06] housed a rock would get pulled
[3:06:07] out from underneath me.
[3:06:07] When you are homeless or out of
[3:06:11] cash poor in general which a
[3:06:12] lot of us are now 50 to $100 in
[3:06:13] unexpected fees is not an
[3:06:13] inconvenience.
[3:06:21] It's a barrier to safety.
[3:06:22] >> This ordinance directly
[3:06:22] solves the exact barriers that
[3:06:23] I was facing when trying to
[3:06:23] find housing.
[3:06:27] This allows transparency and
[3:06:27] advertisements and allows for
[3:06:28] applicants to be used Their
[3:06:33] screening processes so that
[3:06:33] they don't have to keep paying.
[3:06:34] I never overcame these hurdles.
[3:06:35] I just find ways around them.
[3:06:39] I lived off grid in a tiny home
[3:06:39] and now I'm renting from a
[3:06:40] religious cult so not ideal.
[3:06:44] This ordinance provides
[3:06:45] predictability that people need
[3:06:45] to survive.
[3:06:51] I really hope that you take
[3:06:51] this into consideration and I
[3:06:52] really hope that you push this
[3:06:56] forward to help protect
[3:06:56] thousands of families and it'll
[3:06:57] help find housing or keep a
[3:06:58] place to call home.
[3:07:01] Thank you so much.
[3:07:02] >> Thank you.
[3:07:03] Our next speaker is Joni
[3:07:03] Halpern.
[3:07:08] Joni, you have time ceded to
[3:07:09] you by the following people If
[3:07:10] you could raise your hand when
[3:07:10] I call your name.
[3:07:11] Layla.
[3:07:15] Layla Thank you.
[3:07:15] And hinder to hero.
[3:07:21] Okay.
[3:07:21] And Patrice.
[3:07:21] Okay, great.
[3:07:22] Thank you.
[3:07:22] Go ahead.
[3:07:25] You will have four minutes.
[3:07:25] Good afternoon.
[3:07:26] My name is Joni Halper and I
[3:07:31] work as a lawyer at
[3:07:31] the Partnership for
[3:07:32] the Advancement of New
[3:07:32] Americans.
[3:07:33] We serve immigrants who are
[3:07:36] some of the hardest working
[3:07:37] people earning at the bottom of
[3:07:37] the wage scale.
[3:07:38] And their work is very
[3:07:38] important.
[3:07:42] They're the ones who care for
[3:07:42] the sick, the elderly,
[3:07:43] the kids.
[3:07:43] They clean hotels and
[3:07:44] hospitals, office buildings,
[3:07:48] houses.
[3:07:48] They take every job that
[3:07:49] requires strong hands and
[3:07:50] strong back and they don't
[3:07:54] complain.
[3:07:54] They're all struggling to keep
[3:07:55] a roof over their heads.
[3:07:56] But it's not just the high
[3:08:00] rents that are making it
[3:08:00] impossible.
[3:08:01] All over the city there are
[3:08:02] investors small and large who
[3:08:06] capture properties jack up
[3:08:07] rents and institute institute
[3:08:08] fees for everything from
[3:08:12] failure to clean a garbage can
[3:08:13] to fines for children playing
[3:08:14] in common areas of a complex.
[3:08:18] Some of these fees are in
[3:08:19] the lease buried in legalese in
[3:08:19] 30 pages in the back parts of
[3:08:20] the lease.
[3:08:24] And they're imposed.
[3:08:25] The problem is they're imposed
[3:08:25] without merit and tenants can't
[3:08:29] fight back because they fear
[3:08:29] retaliation.
[3:08:30] There are fees for trashcan
[3:08:30] breakage or replacement smoke
[3:08:36] alarm tampering, wrecking walk
[3:08:37] replacement repairs vacancy
[3:08:38] recovery lease buyout
[3:08:41] dishonored payments, late rent
[3:08:42] using a common area parking on
[3:08:43] the premises storage and more.
[3:08:47] If someone pays their rent on
[3:08:48] time but it's processed beyond
[3:08:49] the due date the tenant is
[3:08:49] charged a late fee.
[3:08:54] If a lock zinc toilet appliance
[3:08:54] that never worked right finally
[3:08:55] breaks the tenant is charged.
[3:09:00] And there are administrative
[3:09:00] fees that keep going up for
[3:09:01] racial utility billing when
[3:09:05] people move out or evicted
[3:09:06] because they can't afford
[3:09:07] the rent and the fees.
[3:09:07] Many property owners charge
[3:09:11] tenants for repairs and
[3:09:12] replacement costs so extensive
[3:09:12] they amount to nearly a
[3:09:17] renovation of the entire unit.
[3:09:17] An example is a family that
[3:09:18] came to me with a debt
[3:09:22] collection letter for charges
[3:09:23] imposed by the property owner.
[3:09:24] After they moved they moved
[3:09:24] into the unit with sluggish
[3:09:29] sink drains a stove in an oven
[3:09:30] that didn't work Cabinet doors
[3:09:34] falling off moldy bathroom
[3:09:35] floors and vertical blinds that
[3:09:35] you couldn't open because
[3:09:36] the panels fell out.
[3:09:40] But when they moved out they
[3:09:41] were charged for replacement of
[3:09:42] all flooring countertops,
[3:09:42] appliances, paint, window
[3:09:46] coverings totaling more than
[3:09:46] $20,000.
[3:09:47] This allowed the landlords to
[3:09:52] keep the security deposit and
[3:09:53] then build a tenant for extra
[3:09:53] repairs and replacement costs.
[3:09:54] And when the tenant couldn't
[3:09:58] pay the landlord sold the debt
[3:09:59] to the collection agency and
[3:10:00] this was reported on his
[3:10:00] credit.
[3:10:04] Something has to be done to
[3:10:05] stop these practices.
[3:10:06] My clients can't easily find
[3:10:10] another place to live.
[3:10:11] They end up subletting with
[3:10:12] whole families crammed into one
[3:10:16] room renting porches and sheds.
[3:10:17] They sleep in cars and some
[3:10:17] sleep on the floors of
[3:10:18] neighbors and friends and they
[3:10:23] have to move every two weeks.
[3:10:24] Try being old or sick or
[3:10:24] disabled and living like that
[3:10:28] or dragging your kids through
[3:10:28] this.
[3:10:29] The annual homeless street
[3:10:35] count does not even begin to
[3:10:35] show the scope of people who
[3:10:36] have no adequate housing due to
[3:10:40] fees that have shifted to
[3:10:41] the tenants.
[3:10:41] The investor's risk of loss and
[3:10:42] the burden of ensuring their
[3:10:42] profit.
[3:10:47] This ordinance is a good start
[3:10:48] at reining in these fees.
[3:10:52] >> Thank you.
[3:10:52] Thank you.
[3:10:53] Our next speaker is Caitlin
[3:10:57] McQuade.
[3:10:58] Good afternoon council members.
[3:11:04] My name is Caitlin McQuade.
[3:11:05] I'm a lifelong San Diego and
[3:11:06] I'm a renter and I'm a single
[3:11:06] mother.
[3:11:11] I know how quickly housing can
[3:11:11] become unstable.
[3:11:12] I've experienced homelessness
[3:11:12] and today the only reason my
[3:11:16] family is housed is because a
[3:11:17] relative brings us our home for
[3:11:18] an incredibly reduced rent.
[3:11:22] Even with that support we are
[3:11:23] still one unexpected expense
[3:11:28] away from losing everything.
[3:11:29] That's why junk fees matter
[3:11:29] when families are already
[3:11:30] choosing between groceries,
[3:11:34] child care and keeping
[3:11:35] the lights on a surprising
[3:11:35] house b can be the expense that
[3:11:36] pushes them over the edge.
[3:11:40] Renters deserve to know
[3:11:41] the true cost of housing before
[3:11:41] they sign a lease, not after
[3:11:46] price.
[3:11:47] Transparency and limits on
[3:11:47] unnecessary fees will help
[3:11:48] families budget stay housed and
[3:11:52] to avoid homelessness.
[3:11:52] I urge you to support this
[3:11:53] ordinance.
[3:11:53] Thank you.
[3:11:59] Thank you.
[3:12:00] Our next speaker is Annette
[3:12:00] Cardenas.
[3:12:01] Well approach the microphone
[3:12:01] could help.
[3:12:05] Del Mastro am I right?
[3:12:05] Exactly.
[3:12:10] Lucky Aiden and Leo Rossman
[3:12:11] please come forward to
[3:12:16] the front room and you'll have
[3:12:16] one minute.
[3:12:16] Please begin.
[3:12:17] Good afternoon, Council
[3:12:17] members.
[3:12:21] My name is Annette Cabinets and
[3:12:22] I'm here today with the Hill
[3:12:23] Network in support of the junk
[3:12:28] fee Ordinance Check Ordinance v
[3:12:29] excuse me San Diego is the most
[3:12:33] expensive city in the country
[3:12:33] for many renters When expected
[3:12:34] Bill can mean the difference
[3:12:39] between staying housed and
[3:12:40] facing homelessness.
[3:12:41] I do do do know this because I
[3:12:44] have been chronically homeless
[3:12:45] in San Diego for some time
[3:12:51] Recently my son just rented an
[3:12:55] apartment and he had to pay out
[3:12:55] about $160 just in screening
[3:13:00] fees and he just applied to one
[3:13:00] place before he had found
[3:13:01] something.
[3:13:04] But that's $160 That makes a
[3:13:05] lot of difference in someone
[3:13:11] who's on a restricted budget.
[3:13:16] And not only are we seeing
[3:13:17] the fees higher I'm sorry we
[3:13:18] are also notice.
[3:13:18] >> Thank you.
[3:13:23] Thank you.
[3:13:23] Thank you.
[3:13:24] Our next speaker is our Dale
[3:13:30] Mastro And now you have time
[3:13:31] standing by Owen, Drew and
[3:13:31] Nikki.
[3:13:32] Okay, please.
[3:13:36] Beginning of two minutes.
[3:13:36] Hi.
[3:13:37] My name's Eldon Mastro.
[3:13:37] I'm a senior.
[3:13:40] I'm an ex blue collar worker.
[3:13:41] I'm a disabled veteran and yes,
[3:13:42] I'm a small mom and pop
[3:13:46] landlord.
[3:13:47] This is another bias law that's
[3:13:48] put in front of us the small
[3:13:52] mom and pop landlords.
[3:13:53] I mean you can hear how our
[3:13:53] policies are personal.
[3:13:58] We are with our tenants but
[3:13:59] this bias opinion is when
[3:13:59] you're driving it to be more
[3:14:03] and more like corporate
[3:14:04] landlords.
[3:14:04] These actions dragged corporate
[3:14:05] landlords so that we can't do
[3:14:09] this right now.
[3:14:15] Me and my wife are victim 2 to
[3:14:16] 1 of the professional tenants
[3:14:16] because we took an application
[3:14:17] that we believed to be true.
[3:14:21] So right now we are we have to
[3:14:22] turn this property over to a
[3:14:22] property manager who has
[3:14:26] attorneys that are doing this.
[3:14:27] They're trying to help us
[3:14:28] salvage what we have.
[3:14:33] We my wife we decided to buy a
[3:14:34] property 20 years ago and never
[3:14:34] buy a home.
[3:14:39] We bought a five plex that we
[3:14:39] lived in in Claremont And
[3:14:40] the deal is is that I do most
[3:14:44] of the work is a blue collar
[3:14:44] worker.
[3:14:45] I work weekends, holidays, all
[3:14:45] that.
[3:14:46] They have a retirement of some
[3:14:51] kind And for you guys to take
[3:14:51] that away from me if I didn't
[3:14:52] know that when I did this we
[3:14:53] did just put the money in
[3:14:56] the stock market Somebody other
[3:14:57] You guys are rental properties
[3:14:57] to the land.
[3:15:02] The mom and pops are not
[3:15:03] the bad ones in this.
[3:15:03] I don't want to charge
[3:15:04] the tenants water fees.
[3:15:05] I don't want to charge them pet
[3:15:09] fees.
[3:15:09] You just take it away from me.
[3:15:10] You say Hey you know you know
[3:15:11] what units that we have because
[3:15:14] we pay a rental fee then you
[3:15:15] just say that apartment there
[3:15:16] doesn't pay trash fees and we
[3:15:20] will charge the tenants.
[3:15:21] You take responsibility for
[3:15:22] these decisions.
[3:15:22] Same thing with the water.
[3:15:23] We don't need to charge
[3:15:27] the tenant water, make the city
[3:15:27] pay for their water.
[3:15:28] I don't have any problem with
[3:15:29] that I'm sure No Mom and Pop
[3:15:33] has any problem with that
[3:15:33] either.
[3:15:34] >> The thing is is that my
[3:15:34] insurance has been canceled
[3:15:40] four times in the last Thank
[3:15:40] you.
[3:15:41] That does conclude your time in
[3:15:41] there and it bites and then
[3:15:42] the lawsuit.
[3:15:42] >> Our next speaker is humira
[3:15:48] you Sophie One minute.
[3:15:49] Good afternoon my name is
[3:15:54] Humira Sophie with pana.
[3:15:55] We all know that low income
[3:15:56] families are struggling with
[3:15:56] rent here in San Diego.
[3:15:57] They're stretching their
[3:16:00] pockets to afford the basic
[3:16:01] necessity of shelter.
[3:16:01] Community members come to pana
[3:16:07] seeking assistance when they
[3:16:07] thought they were paying one
[3:16:08] thing for rent and all of a
[3:16:09] sudden there's all of these
[3:16:12] fees that they weren't aware of
[3:16:13] and now they can't afford to
[3:16:13] rent.
[3:16:14] They can't afford rent and are
[3:16:18] facing being evicted from their
[3:16:18] homes.
[3:16:19] My colleague Johnny Halpern
[3:16:19] talked about many of these
[3:16:20] cases.
[3:16:24] She's inundated with these
[3:16:25] types of cases that come to us
[3:16:26] every single day and the city
[3:16:30] must do more to protect tenants
[3:16:30] .
[3:16:31] This ordinance is necessary to
[3:16:32] protect low income workers and
[3:16:32] families.
[3:16:37] Housing should be clear fair,
[3:16:37] predictable, not filled with
[3:16:38] hidden costs and fine print.
[3:16:39] The proposed ordinance would
[3:16:44] cap extra rental fee that no
[3:16:45] more than 5% of monthly rent
[3:16:46] This is needed so that San
[3:16:49] Diego is going to have more
[3:16:50] transparency.
[3:16:50] Thank you.
[3:16:50] Thank you.
[3:16:55] Ed?
[3:16:56] >> Good afternoon.
[3:16:56] My name is Lucky with Pana.
[3:17:01] I'm here in support of this
[3:17:02] ordinance because everyone
[3:17:03] deserves to know the true cost
[3:17:03] of housing before making one of
[3:17:08] the biggest financial decisions
[3:17:08] of their lives.
[3:17:09] Videos are really really
[3:17:09] expensive and for many renters
[3:17:10] a challenge isn't just
[3:17:14] the monthly rent it's
[3:17:15] the unexpected Fees appear
[3:17:15] through the application process
[3:17:16] or even after when they're
[3:17:20] signing the lease that is
[3:17:21] caused to make it harder for
[3:17:21] individuals and families to
[3:17:25] budget plan and secure stable
[3:17:26] housing.
[3:17:26] This mortgage is about fairness
[3:17:27] and transparency.
[3:17:30] It creates clear expectations
[3:17:31] so that renters can make
[3:17:32] informed decisions and help
[3:17:32] ensure that advertised cost of
[3:17:37] housing reflects what people
[3:17:37] are actually paying.
[3:17:38] A more transparent rental
[3:17:38] market benefit not only
[3:17:42] the renters but also those
[3:17:43] responsible landlords who are
[3:17:44] already operating fairly.
[3:17:44] Everyone deserves access to
[3:17:49] housing without worrying about
[3:17:50] hidden costs or unexpected
[3:17:50] financial burdens.
[3:17:51] So I respectfully ask you to
[3:17:56] support this ordinance.
[3:17:56] Thank you.
[3:17:57] Thank you.
[3:17:58] So Leo, this man Leo comes to
[3:18:02] the microphone.
[3:18:03] >> Can I please have a good
[3:18:03] afternoon?
[3:18:04] Welcome to the.
[3:18:07] I'm here today in support of
[3:18:08] this ordinance because every
[3:18:12] San Diego I'm sorry, sir.
[3:18:13] You do have time ceded to you
[3:18:14] by another individual.
[3:18:15] I need to confirm they're here.
[3:18:19] Jabbar Kasim, could you please
[3:18:20] raise your hand?
[3:18:20] Okay, great.
[3:18:26] You'll have two minutes.
[3:18:26] Please begin.
[3:18:27] Hey, my name is Sali Osman.
[3:18:27] I'm here.
[3:18:30] I work until tonight.
[3:18:31] I live in San Diego for
[3:18:37] the last 18 years Ben Knight
[3:18:37] The Arab League.
[3:18:38] The cost of living plus
[3:18:38] inflation.
[3:18:41] Life is sort of it.
[3:18:42] So I'm here today in support of
[3:18:43] this ordinance because every
[3:18:47] Sunday against this sort of
[3:18:48] access to housing that is fair,
[3:18:48] transparent, affordable
[3:18:53] families should not have to
[3:18:53] worry about a surprise charge
[3:18:58] hidden fees or unclean rental
[3:18:59] costs when they are simply
[3:18:59] trying to find a stable place
[3:19:03] to live.
[3:19:04] San Diego must take a clear
[3:19:09] stand for renters by making
[3:19:10] sure housing costs are honest,
[3:19:15] predictable and not inflated by
[3:19:16] unfair junk fees.
[3:19:19] San Diego is already one of
[3:19:20] the most expensive place to
[3:19:21] live in this country.
[3:19:25] Many renters have been charged
[3:19:26] extra fees on top of high
[3:19:26] rents.
[3:19:31] >> These fee cut include
[3:19:32] processing fee convenience
[3:19:36] fees, late fees, duplicate
[3:19:36] application fees and surprise
[3:19:42] charges after a lease is signed
[3:19:42] .
[3:19:43] Some renters listed listing
[3:19:47] will not clearly show the full
[3:19:48] cost of housing upfront.
[3:19:49] Hidden fees can add hundreds of
[3:19:53] dollars each month for working
[3:19:54] families.
[3:19:58] Renters deserve to know
[3:19:59] the true cost of a home before
[3:20:04] apply or sign a lease.
[3:20:05] >> Housing should be clear,
[3:20:06] fair and into predictable not
[3:20:10] feeling with hidden costs in
[3:20:10] the fine.
[3:20:15] The proposed ordinance would
[3:20:16] cap extra rent fee at no more
[3:20:16] than 5%.
[3:20:20] Similarly rents.
[3:20:21] >> I actually support this
[3:20:21] ordinance.
[3:20:22] Thank you very much.
[3:20:26] Thank you.
[3:20:27] Our next speaker is Remo Abdi.
[3:20:27] Well Remo walks in
[3:20:31] the microphone and I also ask
[3:20:32] Angel Pippins Lopez, Victoria
[3:20:37] Rizzo, Maria Cortez, Alberto
[3:20:39] Rivera and Briana Young to
[3:20:40] please come forward to
[3:20:45] the front row.
[3:20:46] I know you have one person
[3:20:47] sitting at your time Aria
[3:20:47] Patel.
[3:20:48] Could you please raise your
[3:20:49] hand?
[3:20:49] >> Okay, great.
[3:20:53] You'll have two minutes.
[3:20:54] Thank you.
[3:20:54] Good afternoon.
[3:20:55] Good afternoon, Council
[3:20:55] members.
[3:21:00] My name is Rama Abdi and
[3:21:01] the director of Organizing and
[3:21:01] campaign with Pana and also a
[3:21:04] resident of District nine And
[3:21:05] I'm here to support this
[3:21:05] ordinance.
[3:21:06] I want to speak from my own
[3:21:10] experience So when I was
[3:21:11] looking for a place to rent I
[3:21:15] paid hundreds of of dollars and
[3:21:16] application fee.
[3:21:17] I applied to many apartments
[3:21:20] but did not get approved.
[3:21:21] I lost all that money.
[3:21:24] It was very hard for me because
[3:21:25] I was only trying to get to
[3:21:26] find a safe place for my
[3:21:26] family.
[3:21:30] I also work with immigrant and
[3:21:30] refugee communities.
[3:21:31] I see how hard it is for them.
[3:21:35] They came here hoping for a
[3:21:36] better life but they face high
[3:21:40] rent and many fees just to
[3:21:41] apply.
[3:21:42] For many families this is too
[3:21:45] much.
[3:21:46] Home should not be this hard to
[3:21:46] get it.
[3:21:47] It should bring safety and
[3:21:50] hopes for them.
[3:21:50] Please make this renting more
[3:21:55] fair and protect families from
[3:21:55] these unsafe fees.
[3:21:56] Thank you for your time and
[3:22:00] support this ordinance.
[3:22:00] >> Thank you.
[3:22:01] Next speakers.
[3:22:05] Angel Pippins Lopez.
[3:22:05] >> Hi everyone.
[3:22:09] My name is Angel Pippins Lopez
[3:22:10] and I'm the transportation and
[3:22:11] planning program manager with
[3:22:11] the cdc.
[3:22:15] I'm also a renter and a long
[3:22:16] time resident of the city of
[3:22:17] San Diego And in the process of
[3:22:20] securing my lease I paid over
[3:22:21] $500 in screening fees that I
[3:22:25] did not get back as many of
[3:22:26] the people here have
[3:22:26] experienced.
[3:22:27] At the same time I received
[3:22:30] monthly bills for ranging
[3:22:31] between 50 and $250 for various
[3:22:35] jump fees that I rarely see
[3:22:35] the benefit of.
[3:22:36] It is very serious when San
[3:22:40] Diegans come to you and say
[3:22:40] this is a real problem that
[3:22:41] renters are facing every day
[3:22:45] displacement becomes a more
[3:22:46] serious issue for the city of
[3:22:46] San Diego and it's essential
[3:22:47] that we do what we can to avoid
[3:22:50] displace rent and educate
[3:22:51] renters on how they can ensure
[3:22:54] that they are being protected.
[3:22:55] Often the most disadvantaged
[3:22:56] and disinvested communities are
[3:23:00] the ones who receive the least
[3:23:01] information about how these
[3:23:01] programs are supposed to be
[3:23:02] enforced.
[3:23:04] And I ask that you not only
[3:23:05] approve this ordinance but also
[3:23:06] educate the community.
[3:23:06] >> Thank you.
[3:23:10] Thank you.
[3:23:10] Our next speaker is Victoria
[3:23:11] Ella Brazeau.
[3:23:16] Victoria, you have time ceded
[3:23:17] to you by Nicholas Lubbers.
[3:23:17] Okay.
[3:23:17] Do you raise your hand?
[3:23:20] Thank you Nicholas and Angela.
[3:23:20] Mel.
[3:23:20] All right, Angela.
[3:23:21] Okay.
[3:23:21] There she is.
[3:23:24] Go ahead.
[3:23:25] >> You'll have three minutes.
[3:23:25] Okay.
[3:23:25] Thank you.
[3:23:26] Good afternoon.
[3:23:29] PRESIDENT LaCava and council
[3:23:29] members.
[3:23:30] Today I'm coming to you as an
[3:23:33] ordinary citizen of San Diego
[3:23:34] and an everyday citizen.
[3:23:34] My name's Victoria La Brousseau
[3:23:39] for nearly 30 years I've been a
[3:23:39] housing provider off and on
[3:23:40] here in San Diego.
[3:23:43] >> My husband served in
[3:23:44] the military and every time his
[3:23:47] orders took us away we rented
[3:23:48] out our family home so that one
[3:23:49] day we could return to the city
[3:23:49] we love.
[3:23:53] One thing that stood out to me
[3:23:53] when I read through the staff
[3:23:54] report in one of the nation's
[3:23:57] largest military communities
[3:23:58] there is no discussion of
[3:23:59] the military families who
[3:24:02] temporarily rent out their
[3:24:03] homes while serving elsewhere.
[3:24:03] Did anyone study how many
[3:24:07] military families this
[3:24:08] ordinance could affect?
[3:24:08] One statement by this in
[3:24:12] the staff report particularly
[3:24:12] concern me.
[3:24:13] It says landlord fees quote
[3:24:16] should not be another avenue
[3:24:17] for landlords to extract
[3:24:18] excessive profits from renters.
[3:24:21] I believe that's a shortsighted
[3:24:21] characterization.
[3:24:22] For my family this wasn't an
[3:24:26] investment property.
[3:24:27] This was our home.
[3:24:28] The rent barely covered our
[3:24:31] mortgage Property taxes,
[3:24:31] insurance repairs and other
[3:24:32] expenses.
[3:24:36] We weren't extracting profits.
[3:24:37] We were trying to break even
[3:24:38] while preserving our home that
[3:24:41] we hoped to return to.
[3:24:42] Over the years we had multiple
[3:24:42] tenants.
[3:24:43] Some were wonderful.
[3:24:45] Others called significant
[3:24:46] financial losses that came
[3:24:47] right out of our pocket.
[3:24:50] I ask you to consider
[3:24:51] the cumulative impacts of
[3:24:52] the policies like this.
[3:24:55] >> I understand the desire to
[3:24:55] help renters.
[3:24:59] In fact my 22 year old son is
[3:25:00] here with me and he's looking
[3:25:01] in the market right now as we
[3:25:04] speak.
[3:25:04] >> He wants to build his future
[3:25:05] in San Diego and he'll soon be
[3:25:09] looking for the housing himself
[3:25:09] .
[3:25:10] I want affordable housing and
[3:25:10] protection for him just as much
[3:25:13] as you do.
[3:25:14] But I don't believe this
[3:25:15] ordinance is representative of
[3:25:18] the people it regulates.
[3:25:19] It assumes one type of housing
[3:25:20] provider when San Diego is home
[3:25:23] to military families, retirees,
[3:25:24] families renting out a single
[3:25:28] home and many others whose
[3:25:29] experiences are very different.
[3:25:30] Before adopting another
[3:25:34] regulation that affects every
[3:25:35] housing provider in this city,
[3:25:35] I ask that you first ensure
[3:25:38] that you consider all of them.
[3:25:38] For those reasons I
[3:25:39] respectfully ask you to oppose
[3:25:39] this item.
[3:25:43] Thank you very much for your
[3:25:44] time.
[3:25:44] >> Thank you.
[3:25:53] Next speaker is Maria Cortez.
[3:25:53] >> Hello.
[3:25:54] My name is Maria Cortez.
[3:25:58] I'm a resident of City Heights
[3:25:59] for 5454 years.
[3:26:02] I'm also with the City Heights
[3:26:03] City with transportation and
[3:26:03] planning.
[3:26:04] I am here in support of this
[3:26:08] ordinance because I have I'm
[3:26:09] out there in the community.
[3:26:12] I see what's going on in
[3:26:12] the community.
[3:26:13] My community we have so many
[3:26:17] people that are having problems
[3:26:18] with with the hidden fees.
[3:26:22] >> They are as we say they are
[3:26:23] living.
[3:26:23] We're living with them ten to
[3:26:27] maybe 15 people in one one
[3:26:28] apartment in just one unit.
[3:26:31] And to see the kids go through
[3:26:32] the things that they have to go
[3:26:36] through I understand what some
[3:26:37] of tenants and the owners here
[3:26:37] are saying.
[3:26:41] I understand that.
[3:26:42] But for the other ones this is
[3:26:42] something else.
[3:26:45] I also have a friend right now
[3:26:46] who is going through a
[3:26:47] situation where hidden fees
[3:26:51] were were proposed to her.
[3:26:55] And I am trying to help her but
[3:26:56] she has to be out of the house
[3:26:56] by tomorrow.
[3:26:57] >> So I want to say thank you.
[3:26:58] That does conclude your time.
[3:27:08] >> Gilberto Olvera.
[3:27:08] >> Good afternoon, Council
[3:27:09] members.
[3:27:09] My name is Gil Vieira.
[3:27:13] I'm the director of the Housing
[3:27:14] Justice Collaborative and Legal
[3:27:14] Aid Society San Diego Legal
[3:27:15] Aid.
[3:27:15] Our mission is to prevent
[3:27:18] homelessness with holistic
[3:27:18] wraparound services and
[3:27:19] enforcing laws to protect our
[3:27:20] most vulnerable from
[3:27:23] exploitation.
[3:27:24] We are seeing landlords charge
[3:27:24] fees to cover things Landlords
[3:27:25] are legally responsible for
[3:27:28] such as monthly pest control
[3:27:29] fees, fees to stay month to
[3:27:29] month maintenance fees and
[3:27:32] the many other tenants pay for
[3:27:33] monthly insurance premium that
[3:27:34] protects the landlords property
[3:27:35] and limit their own liability.
[3:27:38] This is exploitation.
[3:27:39] We see firsthand how hidden
[3:27:39] fees push families to the brink
[3:27:42] and are designed to leech off
[3:27:42] tenants.
[3:27:43] The rent ledgers we see today
[3:27:45] have more than five monthly
[3:27:46] charges a month that result in
[3:27:47] long complex ledgers that
[3:27:51] confuse tenants who shouldn't
[3:27:52] need an mba or accounting
[3:27:52] degree to decipher your own
[3:27:56] ledger by closing loopholes In
[3:27:56] the many transparencies we're
[3:27:57] helping to build a more fair
[3:28:00] and stable housing market for
[3:28:01] everyone in San Diego.
[3:28:01] Something that I would think
[3:28:02] ethical housing providers would
[3:28:05] be supportive of.
[3:28:06] Thank you for your time.
[3:28:06] Thank you.
[3:28:10] Next speaker is Brianna Young
[3:28:11] or Brianna comes to
[3:28:11] the microphone.
[3:28:12] I would ask Alex Vazquez
[3:28:15] Melanie Woods, David Baker,
[3:28:20] Claire Snider and Carmen Panelo
[3:28:21] Loza Valdez to please come
[3:28:25] forward to the front row.
[3:28:26] >> So Brianna, please begin.
[3:28:26] Have one minute.
[3:28:29] Good afternoon, members of
[3:28:30] the council.
[3:28:31] >> My name is Brianna Young and
[3:28:31] while I'm currently an intern
[3:28:34] at the San Diego and Imperial
[3:28:34] County Labor Council, I am here
[3:28:35] today representing myself.
[3:28:36] I doubt you need to hear more
[3:28:39] about the affordability issues
[3:28:39] here in San Diego, but that is
[3:28:40] one of the reasons you sit here
[3:28:41] on this council.
[3:28:44] I am a recent graduate from uc
[3:28:45] San Diego and I learned the lay
[3:28:45] of the land in La Hoya so it
[3:28:48] didn't take me long to realize
[3:28:49] I was out of my tax bracket.
[3:28:50] My roommates and I were all
[3:28:53] full working students.
[3:28:54] Full time working students have
[3:28:54] been looking to relocate.
[3:28:57] No fancy coastal places just
[3:28:58] somewhere simple to start our
[3:28:59] lives and careers and finish
[3:28:59] our degrees.
[3:29:00] >> But it hasn't been that
[3:29:00] simple.
[3:29:03] Even finding a home in our
[3:29:04] price range we're still hit
[3:29:04] with these junk fees that are
[3:29:07] on the agenda today in
[3:29:08] the month of JUNE alone we
[3:29:08] spent roughly $250 on
[3:29:12] application fees and
[3:29:12] screenings, background
[3:29:13] screenings.
[3:29:13] We were still rejected from
[3:29:14] every place.
[3:29:17] This isn't getting into
[3:29:18] the fact that we're struggling
[3:29:18] to find a place that's livable,
[3:29:19] safe and accessible.
[3:29:21] There are already hidden fees
[3:29:22] everywhere.
[3:29:22] They're hidden in our grocery
[3:29:23] stores going to the gas pump,
[3:29:26] getting insured and now just
[3:29:27] trying to find a place to live.
[3:29:28] I can't afford it.
[3:29:28] We can't afford it.
[3:29:29] So I support this ordinance and
[3:29:31] I hope you will too.
[3:29:32] >> Thank you.
[3:29:35] Alex Vasquez.
[3:29:41] >> Hi.
[3:29:42] >> My name is Alex Vasquez.
[3:29:42] I'm an organizer with
[3:29:43] Partnership for a Better San
[3:29:43] Diego, the affiliate
[3:29:45] organization of San Diego and
[3:29:46] Imperial County Labor Council
[3:29:49] that represents over 100 unions
[3:29:50] and more than 200,000 workers.
[3:29:51] I am here to support the junk
[3:29:54] food ordinance that was
[3:29:55] proposed by Councilmember Shani
[3:29:56] Le Rivera because looking for
[3:29:57] housing should come with
[3:29:59] transparency.
[3:30:00] I have personally struggled to
[3:30:01] find housing in San Diego.
[3:30:02] As someone who has been through
[3:30:04] that with roommates meaning
[3:30:05] several incomes it was still
[3:30:09] expensive and ridiculous to be
[3:30:09] paying 30 to $60 per
[3:30:10] application.
[3:30:10] What is worse is that wasn't
[3:30:14] even guaranteed to get housing
[3:30:15] and the competition is insane.
[3:30:19] You go to an open house and you
[3:30:19] feel like a sardine because
[3:30:20] there are so many other people
[3:30:21] who are looking for and paid
[3:30:24] and application fee just to see
[3:30:24] this apartment or house.
[3:30:25] Too many San Diego residents
[3:30:28] are paying unexpected fees and
[3:30:29] other costs that are already
[3:30:29] expensive housing.
[3:30:33] It makes it even harder.
[3:30:34] I appreciate the city taking a
[3:30:34] closer look at this issue and I
[3:30:38] encourage you to continue
[3:30:38] advancing policies that
[3:30:39] increase transparency.
[3:30:39] >> Thank you.
[3:30:40] Thank you.
[3:30:45] >> Melanie Woods Melanie, you
[3:30:46] have several people sitting
[3:30:50] your time so if you could just
[3:30:51] raise your hand when I read
[3:30:53] your name verifier here.
[3:30:59] New Muncie.
[3:31:03] Denise Dennis.
[3:31:04] Venetia Hamilton.
[3:31:04] Okay.
[3:31:08] Adrianne Medina.
[3:31:08] Okay.
[3:31:13] Angela MAY.
[3:31:14] Heather King.
[3:31:17] Stephanie Grimm.
[3:31:23] Shawn Ford.
[3:31:23] Thank you.
[3:31:27] Thank you.
[3:31:28] Thursday Flores.
[3:31:28] Matthew Gonzalez.
[3:31:31] Heather Shepherd.
[3:31:33] Tracy Brunetti.
[3:31:38] Kayla Castaneda.
[3:31:43] Kelly McKenna.
[3:31:43] Okay, great.
[3:31:46] Melanie, you'll have 15
[3:31:47] minutes.
[3:31:47] >> Please begin.
[3:31:47] Excellent.
[3:31:48] Sorry I wasn't planning a
[3:31:51] filibuster.
[3:31:52] All right.
[3:31:52] Good afternoon, Chair.
[3:31:53] Members of the council.
[3:31:56] I'm Melanie Bird and I serve as
[3:31:57] the vice PRESIDENT For of local
[3:31:57] public affairs for
[3:31:58] the California Apartment
[3:32:00] Association.
[3:32:01] I'm also ad5 resident.
[3:32:02] Caa is the largest statewide
[3:32:05] trade association representing
[3:32:05] owners, operators and managers
[3:32:10] of multifamily housing.
[3:32:10] Our membership ranges from
[3:32:15] large multifamily operators to
[3:32:15] small mom and pop housing
[3:32:16] providers who own 1 or 2 rental
[3:32:19] properties.
[3:32:20] Education and compliance are at
[3:32:24] the heart of our mission at caa
[3:32:24] .
[3:32:25] I'm here representing ethical
[3:32:25] housing providers many of whom
[3:32:29] you see behind me but many,
[3:32:30] many more who couldn't be here
[3:32:30] today.
[3:32:34] We're strongly opposed to
[3:32:35] the ordinance before you today.
[3:32:36] It regulates legitimate revenue
[3:32:39] streams that are fundamental to
[3:32:40] the economics of rental housing
[3:32:44] and in so doing so risks
[3:32:45] undermining the city's own
[3:32:49] housing production goals.
[3:32:49] Further, there's no evidence
[3:32:53] that the proposed policy
[3:32:54] solutions will achieve any
[3:32:55] specific goals or solve any
[3:32:59] identify wide or quantified
[3:33:00] problems.
[3:33:04] One of our biggest concerns on
[3:33:05] this proposal is a cap on
[3:33:05] the cap on fees.
[3:33:06] These aren't hidden fees.
[3:33:09] They're a commonly used revenue
[3:33:10] stream baked into the financing
[3:33:13] and revenue assumptions of
[3:33:14] housing projects.
[3:33:14] These fees are driven by
[3:33:18] the cost of labor insurance,
[3:33:18] maintenance contracts,
[3:33:23] utilities and vendor expenses.
[3:33:24] The 5% cap is arbitrary and
[3:33:25] it's too low to account for
[3:33:28] the market rate of providing
[3:33:29] these amenities and too low for
[3:33:29] housing providers to cover
[3:33:33] their own costs.
[3:33:34] Capping the amount that MAY be
[3:33:38] charged for these services will
[3:33:38] either require housing
[3:33:39] providers to shift those costs
[3:33:42] into base rent or reduce
[3:33:43] the availability of optional
[3:33:47] services altogether.
[3:33:48] As currently drafted, this
[3:33:52] ordinance also includes
[3:33:52] operational services optional
[3:33:56] services under the 5% cap.
[3:33:56] Think reserved Parking storage
[3:34:01] units technology packages and
[3:34:01] pediment entries.
[3:34:05] These are all optional expenses
[3:34:06] that residents voluntarily
[3:34:07] choose based on their own
[3:34:07] needs.
[3:34:10] But these services have real
[3:34:11] operating costs.
[3:34:15] Pet friendly housing have has
[3:34:15] to provide pet relief areas,
[3:34:20] trash bags and pay staff to
[3:34:21] clean up when less diligent pet
[3:34:21] pet owners do not.
[3:34:25] If these costs cannot be
[3:34:25] recuperated through a pet fee,
[3:34:29] housing providers MAY choose to
[3:34:30] stop allowing pets altogether
[3:34:30] or if they still allow pets.
[3:34:34] These costs will be wrapped
[3:34:35] into base rents and shoulder by
[3:34:36] tenants regardless of whether
[3:34:39] they own a pet.
[3:34:39] Additionally, this arbitrary
[3:34:40] cap has no relationship to
[3:34:44] actual costs.
[3:34:47] Picture a scenario one person
[3:34:48] paying $3,000 in rent and
[3:34:52] another paying 2500 their or
[3:34:57] they are each paying a cap to
[3:34:57] 5% in fees.
[3:35:00] Should the resident paying 2500
[3:35:01] pay less in those fees despite
[3:35:05] receiving the same services?
[3:35:06] Ironically this creates a
[3:35:06] situation where allowable fee
[3:35:10] increases increase as rent
[3:35:11] increase.
[3:35:11] Even though the cost of
[3:35:15] providing these services
[3:35:16] remains the same, none of those
[3:35:20] outcomes improve affordability
[3:35:20] .
[3:35:21] We're also deeply concerned
[3:35:22] about the reusable screening
[3:35:25] report requirement.
[3:35:26] Reducing application costs is a
[3:35:30] worthwhile goal but we have to
[3:35:31] balance affordability with
[3:35:31] accuracy and risk.
[3:35:35] Housing providers rely on
[3:35:36] trusted third party screening
[3:35:40] systems that integrate directly
[3:35:40] into their leasing platforms
[3:35:41] and apply consistent screening
[3:35:45] standards to every applicant.
[3:35:45] This proposal requires housing
[3:35:50] providers accept reusable
[3:35:50] screening reports, creating
[3:35:55] uncertainty about how those
[3:35:56] reports will be verified and
[3:36:00] how they will fit into existing
[3:36:00] leasing systems.
[3:36:01] These concerns aren't
[3:36:01] theoretical.
[3:36:05] A recent Wall Street Journal
[3:36:06] investigation documented a
[3:36:09] dramatic increase in rental
[3:36:10] application fraud including
[3:36:14] falsifying pay stubs, fake
[3:36:15] employment records, manipulated
[3:36:16] credit profiles and ai
[3:36:19] generated financial documents
[3:36:20] being sold online.
[3:36:20] The ordinance allows housing
[3:36:25] providers to obtain new reports
[3:36:29] at their own expense but this
[3:36:29] language creates uncertainty
[3:36:30] regarding what constitutes an
[3:36:34] acceptable report.
[3:36:34] What verification obligations
[3:36:38] does the landlord assume and
[3:36:39] how landlords should reconcile
[3:36:40] the applicant provided report
[3:36:44] with their own screening
[3:36:44] standards?
[3:36:45] These inconsistencies between
[3:36:49] the tenant provider report and
[3:36:50] the third party report could
[3:36:54] result in more applications
[3:36:55] actually being rejected.
[3:36:59] Let's say for a second maybe
[3:36:59] you truly believe that housing
[3:37:00] providers should shoulder that
[3:37:03] screening cost.
[3:37:04] The reality is that those costs
[3:37:05] don't go away.
[3:37:09] They get redistributed out.
[3:37:09] Housing providers shouldering
[3:37:10] that burden are more likely to
[3:37:14] adopt higher screening
[3:37:14] criteria, close listings
[3:37:15] quickly and close opportunities
[3:37:18] for tenants wanting to be
[3:37:19] rescreened.
[3:37:20] These outcomes do not increase
[3:37:23] housing opportunity and
[3:37:24] affordability.
[3:37:24] In fact they MAY harm it.
[3:37:28] Moving on to late rent
[3:37:28] the ordinance also
[3:37:29] fundamentally changes how late
[3:37:33] payments are handled.
[3:37:34] A mandatory seven day grace
[3:37:38] period doesn't simply delay a
[3:37:38] late fee.
[3:37:39] It effectively changes
[3:37:40] the practical due date of rent
[3:37:43] for every residential lease in
[3:37:44] the city of San Diego.
[3:37:47] Yet we've seen no evidence
[3:37:48] demonstrating that a mandatory
[3:37:49] seven day grace period reduces
[3:37:53] eviction laws or improves
[3:37:53] housing stability.
[3:37:54] If the city's goal is to help
[3:37:57] households experiencing genuine
[3:37:58] hardship, then targeted
[3:37:58] assistance and early
[3:38:02] intervention are more effective
[3:38:02] than rewriting the payment
[3:38:06] expectations for every lease.
[3:38:07] Similarly, California law
[3:38:12] already regulates late fees.
[3:38:12] These must represent a
[3:38:16] reasonable estimate of actual
[3:38:17] damages.
[3:38:18] Replacing that long established
[3:38:21] legal standard with an
[3:38:21] arbitrary 2% cap ignores
[3:38:22] the real administrative costs
[3:38:26] and cashflow disruption
[3:38:27] disruptions associated with
[3:38:31] delinquent payments.
[3:38:31] >> Finally, transparency We
[3:38:32] fundamentally agree with
[3:38:36] the idea of transparency.
[3:38:36] Tenants should know and
[3:38:37] understand the full cost of
[3:38:41] their housing before signing a
[3:38:41] lease.
[3:38:42] Tenants being in homes that
[3:38:46] they can afford benefits both
[3:38:47] the tenant and the housing
[3:38:47] provider.
[3:38:50] Our issue is with
[3:38:51] the restrictive advertising
[3:38:51] requirements.
[3:38:52] These requirements could extend
[3:38:56] to internet listing services
[3:38:56] social media posts, printed
[3:38:57] advertisements, broker
[3:39:01] materials and third party
[3:39:01] marketing platforms that often
[3:39:05] lack the technical capacity to
[3:39:06] display the required
[3:39:06] information.
[3:39:10] For an admittedly extreme
[3:39:11] example, does a garbage
[3:39:15] disposal replacement fee need
[3:39:16] to be outlined in your social
[3:39:17] media post about your home for
[3:39:20] rent?
[3:39:21] >> I'd like to encourage
[3:39:21] the Council to think about
[3:39:22] the cumulative impact of these
[3:39:25] policies.
[3:39:26] No single regulation creates a
[3:39:27] housing crisis but every new
[3:39:30] mandate, every new disclosure
[3:39:31] requirement and every new
[3:39:35] compliance obligation adds
[3:39:36] friction to an already heavily
[3:39:36] regulated market.
[3:39:40] Viewed collectively this they
[3:39:41] significantly increase
[3:39:41] regulatory complexity
[3:39:45] compliance costs and
[3:39:46] operational uncertainty.
[3:39:50] Those burdens fall especially
[3:39:51] hard on small housing providers
[3:39:51] who don't have the in-house
[3:39:54] attorney or compliance
[3:39:55] departments.
[3:39:55] Many simply decide that
[3:39:56] continuing to provide rental
[3:40:00] housing is no longer worth
[3:40:01] the growing legal and financial
[3:40:05] risk and this conversation
[3:40:05] comes at a particularly
[3:40:06] important moment.
[3:40:10] Economic data already shows a
[3:40:11] significant slowdown in
[3:40:12] multifamily housing production
[3:40:16] beginning around 2028 and now
[3:40:20] the end of today's development
[3:40:20] pipeline is completed and fewer
[3:40:21] financially viable projects
[3:40:25] move forward.
[3:40:25] This should concern everyone
[3:40:29] who believes we need more
[3:40:30] housing.
[3:40:30] Housing projects aren't
[3:40:31] financed on base rent alone
[3:40:35] They're financed based on
[3:40:36] expected operating income And
[3:40:39] those all those revenue sources
[3:40:40] are included in the financial
[3:40:41] models that lenders and
[3:40:44] investors use to determine
[3:40:45] whether today's projects
[3:40:46] qualify for financing.
[3:40:49] Against that backdrop, reducing
[3:40:50] revenue certainty while
[3:40:54] increasing regulatory complexes
[3:40:55] sends the wrong signal at
[3:40:55] exactly the wrong time.
[3:41:00] If we want more housing in 2030
[3:41:01] we have to care about project
[3:41:01] feasibility.
[3:41:04] In 2026 a project that can't be
[3:41:09] financed is no different than a
[3:41:10] project that's never been
[3:41:10] approved.
[3:41:14] Both result in fewer homes.
[3:41:14] So I ask you to think about
[3:41:15] does this ordinance actually
[3:41:19] achieve the affordability that
[3:41:19] we are all working toward?
[3:41:24] And I'll close with this.
[3:41:24] I know everyone here shares
[3:41:25] the same goal.
[3:41:29] We want more housing, greater
[3:41:29] affordability and more
[3:41:30] opportunity for San Diegans.
[3:41:33] Housing providers are not
[3:41:34] obstacles to solving San
[3:41:34] Diego's housing crisis.
[3:41:38] We are indispensable partners
[3:41:39] in the building preserving and
[3:41:43] operating of the homes that our
[3:41:43] communities rely on every day.
[3:41:47] The California Apartment
[3:41:48] Association respectfully urges
[3:41:49] you to reject this ordinance
[3:41:53] and instead pursue policies
[3:41:53] that increase transparency
[3:41:57] without reducing housing
[3:41:57] opportunity.
[3:41:58] Thank you.
[3:41:58] Thank you.
[3:42:04] Our next speaker is David Baker
[3:42:05] .
[3:42:10] Hello, Council.
[3:42:10] >> My name is David Baker.
[3:42:11] I work with an organization
[3:42:14] that helps young people exit
[3:42:15] homelessness and secure stable
[3:42:15] housing.
[3:42:20] I'm here to support
[3:42:24] the ordinance not only for
[3:42:24] the transparency that it
[3:42:25] encourages but also we have a
[3:42:29] very valuable tool that we use
[3:42:30] when helping people secure
[3:42:30] housing And these are vouchers.
[3:42:34] When we go to make a deal a
[3:42:35] young person can do everything
[3:42:35] correct.
[3:42:39] They can pass the application,
[3:42:39] they can have their deposit
[3:42:43] ready, all the things.
[3:42:44] However, if the rent is even $1
[3:42:48] over what we anticipate,
[3:42:49] the entire deal is off
[3:42:49] the table.
[3:42:53] And so often we see that young
[3:42:54] people are almost across
[3:42:54] the finish line ready to sign
[3:42:55] the lease.
[3:42:58] And then we see $1 that takes
[3:43:03] us back to instable city and
[3:43:03] experiencing homelessness.
[3:43:04] So I'm here to ask for your
[3:43:07] support and I think this
[3:43:08] ordinance is certainly worth
[3:43:08] more in conversation.
[3:43:09] Thank you.
[3:43:09] Thank you.
[3:43:12] Claire Snyder.
[3:43:18] >> Good afternoon.
[3:43:18] My name is Claire Snyder and
[3:43:19] I'm a renter in District three.
[3:43:22] Hidden rental fees make housing
[3:43:23] more expensive and less
[3:43:23] predictable for renters like
[3:43:24] myself.
[3:43:27] I recently moved eight days ago
[3:43:28] because I had an ongoing mice
[3:43:32] infestation that my previous
[3:43:32] landlord refused to do anything
[3:43:33] about honestly.
[3:43:37] And during my search for
[3:43:37] housing I encountered
[3:43:38] application fees, screening
[3:43:41] fees and more.
[3:43:42] I applied for multiple
[3:43:42] different apartments which
[3:43:46] required me to pay over $300
[3:43:46] application fees And also in my
[3:43:47] search I encountered pet
[3:43:51] screening fees which was an
[3:43:52] additional fee I had to pay to
[3:43:55] screen my dog.
[3:43:56] And many of these property
[3:43:57] owners or managers wouldn't
[3:44:00] tell me what the restrictions
[3:44:01] were, what they were looking
[3:44:05] for with this pet screening fee
[3:44:06] .
[3:44:06] And so I just didn't apply to
[3:44:07] them because why would I pay an
[3:44:10] additional $30 to have my dog
[3:44:10] which is going to be really
[3:44:11] scary to a lot of these housing
[3:44:14] providers in here a 40 pound
[3:44:15] pit bull was going to be
[3:44:15] rejected anyways.
[3:44:19] So rent is expensive enough.
[3:44:20] >> I urge you to vote yes and
[3:44:20] that's what I did.
[3:44:21] Thank you for your time.
[3:44:23] Our next speaker is Carmen
[3:44:24] Venezuela Valdez While she
[3:44:29] comes to the microphone I could
[3:44:29] I also call up Tristin Berry,
[3:44:34] Liliana Soriano, Erin Hahn,
[3:44:38] Lupe Rojas and Nicole Lilly.
[3:44:39] Please come sit in the front
[3:44:39] row.
[3:44:43] Please begin.
[3:44:44] Hi, my name is Carmen.
[3:44:45] I'm a d9 resident and I'm here
[3:44:47] with you all to urge you to
[3:44:48] support this item Through much
[3:44:49] of our work as a youth serving
[3:44:53] organization, a consistent area
[3:44:53] of concern for our communities
[3:44:57] is housing and a big issue Are
[3:44:58] these fees, Are there are fees
[3:44:59] everywhere And the rent that we
[3:45:00] are originally getting hooked
[3:45:03] on with or that is advertised
[3:45:03] to us is never actually
[3:45:04] the real rent that we have to
[3:45:07] pay.
[3:45:08] Hidden fees make living in San
[3:45:08] Diego even less possible.
[3:45:09] In my personal experience I'm
[3:45:12] already having to struggle with
[3:45:13] many issues that myself and
[3:45:16] other youth are experiencing
[3:45:17] like food is incredibly
[3:45:17] expensive Gas and
[3:45:18] transportation schooling is
[3:45:21] expensive Trying to find stable
[3:45:22] working opportunities with good
[3:45:23] pay to actually sustain
[3:45:26] ourselves with a roof over our
[3:45:27] head is nearly impossible.
[3:45:28] So yeah too many times have
[3:45:32] myself and my siblings who
[3:45:33] often live together have to
[3:45:33] choose between basic needs and
[3:45:37] random fees that we get
[3:45:37] notified about But we deal with
[3:45:38] it.
[3:45:38] We deal with broken things and
[3:45:41] bad bathroom conditions because
[3:45:42] we don't want to get feed
[3:45:43] because then we'll end up
[3:45:46] homeless So I'm thinking that
[3:45:47] does conclude your time trust
[3:45:51] and very Hello Council My name
[3:45:56] is Tristan Berry and I am with
[3:45:56] Youth Will and the San Diego
[3:45:57] Youth Homelessness Consortium
[3:45:58] where I work with you
[3:46:00] throughout our city.
[3:46:01] As someone who was homeless six
[3:46:01] times before he was 18, I'm
[3:46:02] here to strongly urge you to
[3:46:04] vote yes on item 330 And rental
[3:46:05] fees make housing more
[3:46:09] expensive and less predictable
[3:46:10] for renters.
[3:46:10] As someone who gets
[3:46:11] the opportunity to talk with
[3:46:12] youth on a nearly daily basis,
[3:46:14] I'm hearing constantly about
[3:46:15] their struggles with cost of
[3:46:16] living and particularly housing
[3:46:16] costs.
[3:46:19] We need to do everything we can
[3:46:19] to ensure that these youth know
[3:46:20] exactly what they're getting
[3:46:21] into and what they're going to
[3:46:23] be paying when they get start
[3:46:24] renting a new apartment So they
[3:46:25] aren't there aren't any
[3:46:28] surprises In addition to
[3:46:29] supporting the ordinance being
[3:46:29] reviewed today, I also want to
[3:46:30] uplift our time to act
[3:46:33] recommendation that the city
[3:46:33] Council should explore
[3:46:34] the addition of language that
[3:46:35] would prohibit landlords from
[3:46:35] charging a higher rent for
[3:46:39] additional tenancy living in
[3:46:39] the same unit.
[3:46:40] As I mentioned, many of our
[3:46:40] youth are navigating
[3:46:42] unpredictable job market and
[3:46:43] the rising cost of living As a
[3:46:44] result of struggling through
[3:46:44] these they're finding
[3:46:49] themselves unhoused and relying
[3:46:49] on others like friends and
[3:46:50] family more than ever.
[3:46:50] I was one of those kids that
[3:46:51] had to rely on the kindness of
[3:46:55] others to keep a roof over my
[3:46:55] head.
[3:46:56] So I can't imagine a situation
[3:46:56] where we can justify helping
[3:46:57] you do your time.
[3:46:57] Thank you.
[3:47:01] Liliana Soriano Hello Council
[3:47:02] members My name is Liliana.
[3:47:06] >> I'm the director of policy
[3:47:07] at Youth.
[3:47:07] Well we are a youth serving
[3:47:08] advocacy organization and
[3:47:11] amongst young people we have
[3:47:11] surveyed since 2022.
[3:47:12] Now housing has always been a
[3:47:16] concern from cause the stories
[3:47:17] of what it's like to not have a
[3:47:17] shelter.
[3:47:18] Our reasons Young people
[3:47:20] highlight way by housing as an
[3:47:21] issue in the region.
[3:47:21] Housing is not a commodity.
[3:47:25] It's a human right with that I
[3:47:26] support this ordinance before
[3:47:26] you because housing should come
[3:47:27] with transparency.
[3:47:30] That is the bare minimum we can
[3:47:31] do not hidden fees like
[3:47:32] unexpected application fees and
[3:47:36] as if charging for rent and
[3:47:36] gender wasn't enough, today's
[3:47:37] ordinance is also a step
[3:47:40] towards equity and transparency
[3:47:40] for people to know what
[3:47:41] the real cost of their housing
[3:47:42] will be before signing a
[3:47:45] contract.
[3:47:46] Lastly, we urge you to add
[3:47:47] additional language to prohibit
[3:47:47] landlords from charging higher
[3:47:50] rent for additional tenants
[3:47:51] living in the same unit Because
[3:47:55] why would you charge for more
[3:47:55] when you're already getting
[3:47:56] enough?
[3:47:56] It's a very expensive city to
[3:48:00] live in support to this
[3:48:01] ordinance.
[3:48:01] >> The rest of
[3:48:02] the councilmembers that didn't
[3:48:03] offer this Thank you.
[3:48:11] >> Thank you Aaron Hariharan
[3:48:12] Good afternoon Counsel.
[3:48:17] My name is Auto Hariharan.
[3:48:17] I am a recent graduate of uc
[3:48:18] San Diego and a housing justice
[3:48:21] director at our time to act.
[3:48:22] Two years ago when I first
[3:48:22] started looking for apartments
[3:48:26] moving off campus from uc San
[3:48:30] Diego, I spent over $600 before
[3:48:34] I ever even paid my first rent
[3:48:34] amount.
[3:48:35] It was spent on application
[3:48:39] fees and nonrefundable
[3:48:39] withholding deposit.
[3:48:40] This is not just my experience
[3:48:41] but the experience of a lot of
[3:48:44] my friends and former
[3:48:44] classmates.
[3:48:48] So I would like to support this
[3:48:49] ordinance in addition to my
[3:48:49] strong support for
[3:48:53] the ordinance, I would also
[3:48:54] like to urge the City Council
[3:48:55] to explore additional language,
[3:48:58] additional language that would
[3:48:58] prohibit landlords from
[3:48:59] charging a higher rent for
[3:49:03] additional tenants living in
[3:49:03] the same unit.
[3:49:04] I see this a lot with students
[3:49:09] especially because they want to
[3:49:09] stay close to their
[3:49:10] universities So they all had a
[3:49:13] job in a small apartment and
[3:49:14] then end up paying extra for
[3:49:14] it.
[3:49:14] >> Thank you.
[3:49:15] Thank you.
[3:49:22] Our next speaker is Lupe Rojas
[3:49:22] .
[3:49:23] Lupe.
[3:49:24] Do you have a presentation?
[3:49:28] Yes, it is a joint presentation
[3:49:28] with Nicole Lilly.
[3:49:32] >> We both got it in time To
[3:49:32] us.
[3:49:33] All right, great.
[3:49:34] Let me let me just verify all
[3:49:41] the time seeders okay, Mohamed
[3:49:47] Mohamed El.
[3:49:47] Yes.
[3:49:47] Okay.
[3:49:48] Thank you.
[3:49:51] How a batch habit too.
[3:49:56] Okay.
[3:49:56] Jessie Schmidt.
[3:49:57] Okay.
[3:50:00] Nicole Lilly.
[3:50:05] Hey, Alex Castillo.
[3:50:06] >> Okay.
[3:50:11] Patricia Mondragon.
[3:50:11] Sparky Mitra.
[3:50:16] Rose Dang.
[3:50:16] Okay.
[3:50:17] Mary Cruz.
[3:50:21] Mendiola Okay.
[3:50:26] Ashley Mendiola.
[3:50:27] Okay, great.
[3:50:28] You will have 11 minutes total.
[3:50:28] Okay.
[3:50:31] Thank you.
[3:50:32] >> Thank you.
[3:50:33] Hello, council members.
[3:50:36] My name is whether I'm a policy
[3:50:37] advocate with Metro Community
[3:50:37] Advocacy Network and I am
[3:50:38] speaking for the Coalition for
[3:50:42] Equitable Development which is
[3:50:42] comprised of 20 organizations
[3:50:43] across the region.
[3:50:48] We.
[3:50:49] >> Hello, my name is Nicole
[3:50:49] Lilly.
[3:50:50] I'm a 23 year old renter and
[3:50:51] District three and
[3:50:52] the executive director of our
[3:50:52] Time to Act.
[3:50:53] >> I'm also a member of
[3:50:54] the Coalition for Equitable
[3:51:00] Development and the First Lady.
[3:51:01] >> Oh yes.
[3:51:06] So as we heard, housing in San
[3:51:06] Diego is already expensive And
[3:51:07] then when you have all of these
[3:51:10] hidden fees it becomes even
[3:51:11] more unaffordable for a lot of
[3:51:16] the population that we have out
[3:51:16] here, especially younger folks
[3:51:21] who are still making a living
[3:51:21] and finding stability in their
[3:51:22] lives.
[3:51:26] Unfortunately more than half of
[3:51:26] the housing costs burden San
[3:51:29] Diego and spend more than 30%
[3:51:30] of their income on housing.
[3:51:30] >> Next slide please.
[3:51:35] As you already learn young fees
[3:51:40] are any additional fees that
[3:51:41] are not reflected on the that
[3:51:42] on the sorry on the price that
[3:51:46] is being advertised here you
[3:51:46] see it being advertised at
[3:51:47] $2,200 and everything else
[3:51:52] listed is considered a junk fee
[3:51:53] for not being disclosed on
[3:51:57] the lease that is signed by
[3:51:57] the tenant.
[3:51:58] >> Next slide please.
[3:51:58] Thank you.
[3:52:03] So we see it as a something
[3:52:04] that is unfair and necessary.
[3:52:04] The practices are so predatory
[3:52:08] that they'd be laughable
[3:52:09] elsewhere It would be like
[3:52:14] having to pay some kind of back
[3:52:14] handling fee at the airport or
[3:52:15] paying for car maintenance When
[3:52:19] you do groceries And obviously
[3:52:20] that's something that should
[3:52:20] already be covered by
[3:52:21] the businesses because their
[3:52:24] job is to provide good customer
[3:52:30] service and these are all fees
[3:52:30] that obviously should be paid
[3:52:36] by them And a lot of the a lot
[3:52:37] of the renters are being asked
[3:52:40] to pay for them.
[3:52:46] >> And next slide here we have
[3:52:47] some stories that we've heard
[3:52:51] from our community members and
[3:52:51] these do not pertain to any
[3:52:52] district.
[3:52:52] They're just stories that have
[3:52:56] been gathered all across
[3:52:56] the region.
[3:53:02] >> Next slide.
[3:53:03] >> Unfortunately some landlords
[3:53:03] ignored the basic facts by
[3:53:07] arguing that there's no clear
[3:53:08] data driven justification for
[3:53:09] this ordinance Yet more than
[3:53:13] 25% of residents spend half of
[3:53:14] their income on housing even
[3:53:14] And we know that even
[3:53:18] the smallest fee add on to that
[3:53:19] burden and obviously leads to a
[3:53:24] lot of financial instability.
[3:53:29] >> Here you can see the power
[3:53:30] imbalance On one side we have
[3:53:30] the landlord who set lease for
[3:53:35] setting the leases control fees
[3:53:36] and who happen to be gaining
[3:53:36] power.
[3:53:37] And on the other side we have
[3:53:38] the renters who need housing
[3:53:41] have limited alternatives and
[3:53:42] do not hold people very little
[3:53:47] bargaining power and some
[3:53:47] versus reality.
[3:53:53] >> Before I pass it on onto my
[3:53:54] colleague there's a
[3:53:54] misconception that this
[3:53:55] ordinance hurts landlords and
[3:53:58] that it MAY impact future
[3:53:59] development but in reality
[3:53:59] responsible landlords budget
[3:54:05] This closed plan and price
[3:54:06] honestly and mandatory
[3:54:10] transparency and fairness does
[3:54:11] not magically reduce the need
[3:54:12] and the demand for housing in
[3:54:17] San Diego.
[3:54:18] Thank you Ben.
[3:54:19] I want to begin by my part of
[3:54:23] the presentation by debunking
[3:54:24] the myth of the cost burden
[3:54:24] Landlord.
[3:54:24] Next slide please.
[3:54:29] This assertion again it's out
[3:54:29] of touch with reality.
[3:54:30] It is not the job of city
[3:54:31] council or renters to subsidize
[3:54:35] landlords who don't effectively
[3:54:35] budget for rising costs or seek
[3:54:36] to eke out every last penny
[3:54:37] from a public already drowning
[3:54:42] in cost of living.
[3:54:42] Landlords should know
[3:54:43] the business they're in well
[3:54:43] enough to anticipate account
[3:54:47] for and disclose the regular
[3:54:48] cost and application lease
[3:54:49] agreement and monthly
[3:54:49] statements.
[3:54:53] As business owners landlords
[3:54:54] can and should set aside
[3:54:55] reserves to cover unanticipated
[3:54:55] costs that arise between
[3:54:59] signing and renewing leases.
[3:55:00] If landlords can't maintain
[3:55:01] business they have the option
[3:55:01] to sell to generate income.
[3:55:06] Renters often have nowhere else
[3:55:06] to go and constantly rising
[3:55:07] prices outside of housing to
[3:55:07] contend with.
[3:55:12] I want to reiterate
[3:55:12] the comments of my colleague.
[3:55:13] Mandating basic transparency
[3:55:14] and fairness does not magically
[3:55:18] reduce the need and demand of
[3:55:18] housing in San Diego.
[3:55:19] In reality implementing
[3:55:24] protections in this order that
[3:55:24] this ordinance has has
[3:55:25] the potential to take
[3:55:25] significant cost burden and
[3:55:29] pressure off of San Diego
[3:55:30] renters and increase their
[3:55:31] purchasing power and in fact
[3:55:31] increase demand for housing.
[3:55:35] Next slide please.
[3:55:36] So let's talk about what this
[3:55:36] ordinance does.
[3:55:37] The residential rental price
[3:55:42] gouging for exploitation and
[3:55:42] cost transparency ordinance
[3:55:43] will require rental
[3:55:44] advertisements clearly disclose
[3:55:48] all costs and fees.
[3:55:49] That includes transparency
[3:55:50] around the purpose, frequency
[3:55:50] and requirements surrounding
[3:55:51] these costs.
[3:55:54] It allows valid screening
[3:55:55] reports from consumer agencies
[3:55:56] to be used for up to 30 days.
[3:56:00] And this element is vital as
[3:56:00] you've heard today And no one
[3:56:01] should have to pay hundreds of
[3:56:02] dollars just to apply for
[3:56:06] housing.
[3:56:06] >> This ordinance also caps
[3:56:07] holding deposits at 5% of
[3:56:08] monthly rent and prevents
[3:56:11] predatory behavior by requiring
[3:56:12] that deposits be returned
[3:56:13] whether as a refund or applying
[3:56:18] it to subsequent rent and or
[3:56:18] security deposits.
[3:56:22] It caps all recurring fees at
[3:56:23] 5% of monthly rent.
[3:56:23] It accounts for non monthly
[3:56:24] recurring fees through prorated
[3:56:24] rates.
[3:56:28] And this closes loopholes left
[3:56:29] by state laws which as one
[3:56:30] community member shared with me
[3:56:33] allowed their landlord to
[3:56:34] increase their parking fee from
[3:56:38] $30 a month to 300 to get
[3:56:39] around the 10% annual rental
[3:56:39] increase cap.
[3:56:40] It caps late fees a 2% of
[3:56:45] monthly rent and mandates that
[3:56:46] this change can't come unless
[3:56:46] rent is seven or more days
[3:56:47] delayed.
[3:56:52] Preventing As our partners at
[3:56:52] panna shared from residents
[3:56:53] being charged for an on time
[3:56:54] payment that takes longer to
[3:56:57] process.
[3:56:58] It also prioritizes that
[3:56:59] payments go towards rent before
[3:56:59] fees.
[3:57:03] And this I want to emphasize.
[3:57:04] Nearly every young person lease
[3:57:08] I reviewed mandates 6%, 10% or
[3:57:08] higher late fees and includes
[3:57:12] predatory language demanding
[3:57:13] payments apply first to fees
[3:57:13] pushing tenants further behind
[3:57:14] on rent as they try to catch
[3:57:14] up.
[3:57:19] This ordinance prohibits fees
[3:57:19] for ownership and maintenance
[3:57:20] of common household pets or
[3:57:24] charges for basic habitability
[3:57:24] Because as you MAY have seen in
[3:57:25] the stories shared earlier this
[3:57:26] presentation people are already
[3:57:30] living paycheck to paycheck and
[3:57:31] should not have to worry about
[3:57:32] if they're able to keep their
[3:57:32] pet or pay out of pocket for
[3:57:33] pest control.
[3:57:37] >> These postcards will be
[3:57:37] shared with you in the weeks to
[3:57:38] come.
[3:57:38] And there's even more to come.
[3:57:39] These are filled with stories
[3:57:42] of renters and residents all
[3:57:43] over San Diego who are
[3:57:43] struggling with rental junk
[3:57:48] fees and hidden fees and a lack
[3:57:48] of transparency from landlords.
[3:57:53] >> This ordinance ordinance
[3:57:54] mandates as its name states
[3:57:55] transparency.
[3:57:55] It prohibits charging for
[3:57:59] processing fees and requires
[3:58:00] proper 30 day notice and
[3:58:01] written agreement from tenants
[3:58:02] for fees not previously agreed
[3:58:02] upon in the lease.
[3:58:06] That is basic contractual
[3:58:07] contractual respect.
[3:58:07] Next slide please.
[3:58:13] I want to emphasize as a young
[3:58:14] renter, as an organizer who
[3:58:15] works with San Diego is
[3:58:15] experiencing the brunt of our
[3:58:18] housing crisis every day.
[3:58:19] Housing is not a luxury.
[3:58:20] It is a basic necessity.
[3:58:24] Housing has been time and time
[3:58:25] again proven to be
[3:58:26] the foundation for our health,
[3:58:30] education, employment,
[3:58:30] financial stability and access
[3:58:31] to resources and opportunity.
[3:58:36] It determines our life outcomes
[3:58:36] .
[3:58:37] Unpredictable housing costs and
[3:58:38] hidden junk fees are not simply
[3:58:38] inconvenient.
[3:58:42] They cause untold harm to San
[3:58:43] Diego families and communities.
[3:58:43] Next slide please.
[3:58:48] And real protection requires
[3:58:48] accountability.
[3:58:49] This ordinance provides that
[3:58:50] accountability.
[3:58:50] It provides that accountability
[3:58:55] through enforcement where it
[3:58:56] does allow claims to be proven
[3:58:56] in court where a tenant or
[3:58:57] applicant claiming a violation
[3:59:01] MAY file an action against
[3:59:01] the landlord in court.
[3:59:02] And remedies where a tenant or
[3:59:06] applicant MAY seek injunctive
[3:59:07] relief, equitable relief and
[3:59:07] money damages including
[3:59:08] punitive damages in a civil
[3:59:12] action against a landlord for a
[3:59:12] violation.
[3:59:13] And as another community member
[3:59:14] shared everyone deserves
[3:59:14] the right to a roof over their
[3:59:17] head.
[3:59:18] >> This ordinance would make
[3:59:19] the process of applying to
[3:59:19] housing more equitable.
[3:59:23] Next slide please.
[3:59:24] Next, Renters are simply asking
[3:59:25] for fairness and transparency
[3:59:28] to be a two way street.
[3:59:29] >> City officials have a long
[3:59:30] history of propping up
[3:59:34] homeowner and landlord
[3:59:35] investments and treating
[3:59:35] renters as second class
[3:59:36] citizens.
[3:59:36] I have heard dehumanizing
[3:59:41] language about renters from
[3:59:41] this dais as well as previous
[3:59:42] drivers.
[3:59:50] 79,000 sorry 79,125.
[3:59:51] An investor owned rental homes
[3:59:52] in San Diego also clarify that
[3:59:56] this is a lucrative business
[3:59:56] and landlords want fairness and
[3:59:57] transparency from their
[3:59:57] tenants.
[3:59:58] But renters deserve that same
[4:00:02] courtesy from their landlords.
[4:00:03] And I want to also say that any
[4:00:08] ethical truly ethical landlord
[4:00:08] would not be worried about any
[4:00:09] of the provisions in this
[4:00:09] ordinance.
[4:00:14] And if you have to call
[4:00:15] yourself an ethical landlord
[4:00:15] rather than actually have your
[4:00:16] tenants up here speaking on
[4:00:20] your behalf, then I don't think
[4:00:20] you are one.
[4:00:20] Next slide please.
[4:00:25] This ordinance will make Sandy
[4:00:26] make calling San Diego home a
[4:00:27] more attainable dream for
[4:00:27] the very people working hard to
[4:00:31] make the city the desirable
[4:00:32] place we love to live in.
[4:00:33] The Coalition for Equitable
[4:00:37] Development is respectfully
[4:00:37] urging Council to support
[4:00:38] the residential rental price
[4:00:43] gouging for exploitation and
[4:00:44] cost transparency ordinance
[4:00:45] Today on behalf of all San
[4:00:45] Diego San Diego.
[4:00:49] This benefits all of us not
[4:00:50] just renters.
[4:00:51] I strongly urge your support as
[4:00:51] this item moves forward.
[4:00:58] Thank you so much for your time
[4:00:58] .
[4:00:59] >> Thank you.
[4:00:59] Kimberly Miller.
[4:01:04] Q Please come forward while
[4:01:05] Kimberly comes forward Could
[4:01:10] Mark Schmitt Juliana Tetlow,
[4:01:11] Andrew Malik and Paul Kruger
[4:01:22] please come to the front row?
[4:01:29] >> Kimberly you have two people
[4:01:29] seeking you time Amber Earnest
[4:01:37] and Amber here.
[4:01:38] Amber Earnest thinks you know
[4:01:44] she left okay and carlson Okay
[4:01:44] ,I see.
[4:01:45] And so you'll have two minutes.
[4:01:45] Thank you.
[4:01:49] Good afternoon.
[4:01:50] Council member Kimberly Miller
[4:01:50] on behalf of the Southern
[4:01:51] California Rental Housing
[4:01:55] Association, a theory j has
[4:01:55] been engaged in working groups
[4:01:56] on this topic since last
[4:01:57] OCTOBER and is committed to
[4:02:01] collaboration.
[4:02:01] However, as I stand here before
[4:02:02] you today we have critical
[4:02:03] questions that remain
[4:02:03] unanswered throughout their
[4:02:08] engagement on screening fraud
[4:02:08] at the growing crisis,
[4:02:12] application fraud jumped 40%
[4:02:12] last year nationally.
[4:02:13] How will this ordinance protect
[4:02:17] providers when regulated Third
[4:02:17] party screening already exists
[4:02:18] for exactly that purpose?
[4:02:23] On the 5% holding deposit cap,
[4:02:23] 5% does not cover two days of
[4:02:24] lost rent.
[4:02:24] Will this requirement
[4:02:28] discourage a practice that
[4:02:29] helps prospective renters
[4:02:29] reserve a unit as they apply
[4:02:34] for the property on the 5% fee
[4:02:34] cap?
[4:02:34] What analysis Establish
[4:02:35] the percentage of 5% does
[4:02:39] the cap consider different
[4:02:40] property types and locations
[4:02:41] throughout the city.
[4:02:45] Will the city look to help
[4:02:45] providers if the cap forces
[4:02:46] them to deny a service a tenant
[4:02:52] wants on late fees?
[4:02:52] a crt believes that state law
[4:02:53] should just simply be
[4:02:57] the standard here.
[4:02:58] More importantly, requiring a
[4:02:58] week or more of no payment of
[4:02:59] rent before late fees can be
[4:03:03] imposed MAY disproportionately
[4:03:04] impact small to midsize
[4:03:04] property owners.
[4:03:09] I'm happy with security deposit
[4:03:10] deposits capped at one month's
[4:03:10] rent Pet for pet.
[4:03:15] These offset real damage costs.
[4:03:15] What recourse will rental
[4:03:16] providers have for pet damage
[4:03:16] to communal areas?
[4:03:21] On advertising does this apply
[4:03:22] to yard signs as well?
[4:03:25] Renter providers be liable for
[4:03:26] third party listings like they
[4:03:27] do not control?
[4:03:27] This impacts impact largely
[4:03:31] seniors and mom and pop owners
[4:03:32] that don't use websites on
[4:03:37] transparency a support
[4:03:37] transparency for all and they
[4:03:38] believe that data could help
[4:03:39] inform and provide much needed
[4:03:43] insight into this discussion.
[4:03:44] Since similar bills at
[4:03:49] the State sb 61 and 8012 were
[4:03:49] created honestly thank you so
[4:03:50] much.
[4:03:53] >> Thank you Mark Schmidt.
[4:03:54] Hi.
[4:03:54] Thank you City Council
[4:03:59] Appreciate it so I honestly
[4:03:59] believe there should be
[4:04:00] transparency for all both sides
[4:04:06] both ways As far as that there
[4:04:06] will be tremendous fraud.
[4:04:11] I believe in these credit
[4:04:11] checks If you don't allow
[4:04:12] the landlord to do credit
[4:04:17] checks, we get to the point of
[4:04:18] things Developers are not
[4:04:23] coming to San Diego to build
[4:04:23] housing.
[4:04:24] There's too much cost here.
[4:04:25] There's too much bureaucracy
[4:04:28] and the politics of it they're
[4:04:29] going to other states and it's
[4:04:30] going to get worse and worse
[4:04:30] and worse.
[4:04:34] When I was a kid you could work
[4:04:35] a couple of years, buy a house.
[4:04:36] These these days it's
[4:04:36] impossible.
[4:04:40] I feel sorry for the immigrants
[4:04:41] ,the low blue collar workers
[4:04:41] and so on.
[4:04:42] We need more housing.
[4:04:43] The more regulation you put
[4:04:47] there that stifles housing.
[4:04:47] I believe in fairness to all
[4:04:48] And there's also be a few bad
[4:04:49] apples are going get as he said
[4:04:52] she said that's what small
[4:04:52] claims court is.
[4:04:53] But please, I must tell you I
[4:04:54] grew up here.
[4:04:58] I've been building here.
[4:04:59] >> We've stopped building.
[4:04:59] Thank you.
[4:05:00] That does conclude your time.
[4:05:03] Julianna Tetlow.
[4:05:04] Good afternoon.
[4:05:05] Council members Julianna Tetlow
[4:05:09] here on behalf of San Diego
[4:05:10] Humane Society at its core.
[4:05:11] This ordinance is aimed at
[4:05:16] transparency and it's fair and
[4:05:16] it's balanced.
[4:05:17] There's a lot of misinformation
[4:05:21] about what this does as it
[4:05:22] relates particularly to pets.
[4:05:22] So I want to highlight actually
[4:05:23] what it doesn't do.
[4:05:28] It does not prohibit pet
[4:05:28] deposits.
[4:05:28] It does not mandate that
[4:05:34] landlords accept pets in their
[4:05:34] property.
[4:05:35] It does not prohibit size
[4:05:36] restrictions although maybe
[4:05:39] that's something we can work
[4:05:40] on.
[4:05:40] And it does not prohibit a
[4:05:41] landlord or owner from
[4:05:42] protecting their assets.
[4:05:46] Animal services is expensive
[4:05:46] and it costs every taxpayer.
[4:05:51] We must continue to work on
[4:05:52] removing barriers to keep
[4:05:53] people with their pets which is
[4:05:58] what is on behalf of San Diego
[4:05:58] Humane Society.
[4:05:59] We urge every councilmember to
[4:06:00] support this ordinance.
[4:06:01] Thank you.
[4:06:02] >> Thank you.
[4:06:08] Andrew Malik.
[4:06:08] Good afternoon.
[4:06:09] Honorable Council members.
[4:06:10] My name is Andrew Malik.
[4:06:14] I represent the Council of
[4:06:15] Infill Builders While others
[4:06:16] have spoken to the operational
[4:06:20] frictions of this policy, we
[4:06:21] urge you to look at the macro
[4:06:21] economic reality.
[4:06:25] Economics is a science and
[4:06:26] price controls are historically
[4:06:27] a failed experiment.
[4:06:31] The Federal Reserve Bank of St
[4:06:32] Louis published an extensive
[4:06:33] report warning that artificial
[4:06:33] price controls distort market
[4:06:37] signals, stifles supply and
[4:06:38] create massive unintended
[4:06:38] consequences.
[4:06:43] Specifically, they note that
[4:06:44] when governments impose a price
[4:06:45] cap on a service, providers are
[4:06:49] faced with forced to alter or
[4:06:50] eliminate those options
[4:06:50] entirely for infill and transit
[4:06:55] oriented projects.
[4:06:56] Flexibility is everything to
[4:06:57] make housing performance work.
[4:06:57] Developers must be able to
[4:07:01] unbundled costs allowing
[4:07:02] tenants to opt in and pay for
[4:07:03] parking, pet storage or other
[4:07:07] premium amenities.
[4:07:08] >> Capping these fees at an
[4:07:09] arbitrary five percent strips
[4:07:14] away the flexibility that does
[4:07:15] continue to infill housing.
[4:07:15] Next up Paul Kruger.
[4:07:16] While Paul comes to
[4:07:16] the microphone good man
[4:07:20] Rodriguez Just dangle that
[4:07:21] digitally Audra.
[4:07:26] We drawn Nicole a and Susan
[4:07:26] Ragan.
[4:07:27] >> Please come to the front
[4:07:27] room.
[4:07:28] Thank you, counsel.
[4:07:31] My first concern is that
[4:07:32] the title of the proposed
[4:07:33] ordinance Price Gouging Fee
[4:07:37] Exploitation is a very divisive
[4:07:38] and polarizing title.
[4:07:44] Please just stick with
[4:07:44] the words cost transparency.
[4:07:45] We have two groups here
[4:07:45] the Apartment Owners
[4:07:50] Association and the cia that
[4:07:50] have expressed their
[4:07:51] willingness to work with you.
[4:07:56] Why would you alienate them
[4:07:57] with the use of such polarizing
[4:07:57] language?
[4:08:02] Number two trash water late
[4:08:02] fees Paid fees are not junk
[4:08:03] fees.
[4:08:06] Number three the time and
[4:08:07] energy put into this ordinance
[4:08:12] would be much better spent on
[4:08:12] educating those who are looking
[4:08:18] to rent on the legalities of
[4:08:18] contracts and funding legal aid
[4:08:24] groups that can challenge these
[4:08:24] these illegal contracts that
[4:08:30] the courts can handle.
[4:08:31] >> It's simply a better use of
[4:08:31] your time.
[4:08:32] Thank you.
[4:08:32] Thank you.
[4:08:41] Manny Rodriguez.
[4:08:42] Good afternoon, council
[4:08:42] members.
[4:08:43] I'm here on behalf of
[4:08:48] the Democrats of San Diego
[4:08:48] County.
[4:08:49] Last week we had a hearing with
[4:08:50] our members in which we had
[4:08:50] both sides present their
[4:08:54] arguments.
[4:08:55] Then we had a debate and after
[4:08:55] all that our members voted 3 to
[4:09:00] 1 to endorse this policy.
[4:09:00] The cap on fees and
[4:09:01] transparency on rental prices
[4:09:02] was really important to our
[4:09:02] members.
[4:09:06] The most favorite part that our
[4:09:07] members liked about this
[4:09:07] proposal after talking to them
[4:09:08] was being able to reuse
[4:09:12] the same applications greening
[4:09:13] fee.
[4:09:13] We've had members who have paid
[4:09:14] hundreds of dollars just to
[4:09:15] find a place to live just to
[4:09:17] apply for places to live.
[4:09:18] So with all that being said on
[4:09:19] behalf of our members, please
[4:09:24] support this policy and thank
[4:09:25] you Council Member for your
[4:09:25] letter for being a legislator.
[4:09:27] Thank you very much.
[4:09:28] Thank you.
[4:09:34] Justin go.
[4:09:34] >> Good afternoon everyone.
[4:09:35] My name is Judge Stengel.
[4:09:40] Over the last 50 years I have
[4:09:40] been a renter, owner and
[4:09:41] landlord in the city of San
[4:09:41] Diego.
[4:09:45] In 2019 I rented a house in
[4:09:46] the city, had a detached garage
[4:09:50] for my laundry appliances,
[4:09:51] parking which is tough to get
[4:09:51] in that neighborhood.
[4:09:52] This was all under one rental
[4:09:53] agreement even though
[4:09:56] the garage was separate and
[4:09:57] adjoining garage to me was rat
[4:09:58] infested non code compliant
[4:10:02] plumbing and electrical and it
[4:10:03] was being used illegally as a
[4:10:04] dwelling.
[4:10:08] I reported this to the city and
[4:10:08] my landlord retaliated against
[4:10:09] me.
[4:10:09] She hired a legal firm who sent
[4:10:13] me a demand letter with a 30
[4:10:13] day notice to vacate the garage
[4:10:14] only stating that the garage
[4:10:18] was no longer part of
[4:10:19] the rental agreement because
[4:10:20] according to the law it was
[4:10:20] quote detached.
[4:10:24] I lost that place.
[4:10:25] The letter from the attorney
[4:10:25] also stated that my rent then
[4:10:26] 65% of my fixed income would
[4:10:30] remain the same amount and I
[4:10:31] would be have to pay $600 more
[4:10:31] per month.
[4:10:36] The city should be aware of
[4:10:36] this.
[4:10:37] >> That is the garage that does
[4:10:38] conclude your time allegedly
[4:10:50] order.
[4:10:50] >> Thank you so much for
[4:10:51] honoring victims and removing
[4:10:55] the predatory flag Brown Act
[4:10:56] violation You can't remove that
[4:10:57] last item without hearing
[4:10:57] public comment anyhow.
[4:11:01] You guys are conflating the you
[4:11:01] know, corporate landlords and
[4:11:06] small family owned businesses
[4:11:07] and junk fees and getting full
[4:11:07] cost recovery for the things
[4:11:08] that you guys implement like
[4:11:12] the trash fees that you put on
[4:11:12] somebody's property tax that's
[4:11:13] not a that comes in.
[4:11:14] That's something that you guys
[4:11:18] implemented that then goes down
[4:11:18] to the landlord that they have
[4:11:19] to put on to the tenant And so
[4:11:23] it's like there's a lot of
[4:11:24] confusion going on here and you
[4:11:24] guys love to pit people against
[4:11:25] each other when you're engaged
[4:11:29] in the things that are costing
[4:11:29] people more money to just live
[4:11:33] and then you're you're making
[4:11:34] the landlords the enemy.
[4:11:35] What you need to make sure that
[4:11:39] you are separating the two We
[4:11:39] don't have BlackRock and
[4:11:40] Vanguard in here talking about
[4:11:43] not wanting this but you have
[4:11:44] family owned businesses where
[4:11:45] they're like we need to make
[4:11:45] sure that we can get full cost
[4:11:46] recovery.
[4:11:49] You guys want it?
[4:11:49] >> You should be equitable and
[4:11:50] this isn't.
[4:11:50] Thank you.
[4:12:00] We tried.
[4:12:01] >> Hello, my name is We try
[4:12:06] pronouncing him his It's like a
[4:12:06] director Executive director
[4:12:07] Before I did Lifetime I used to
[4:12:11] be a property manager.
[4:12:12] What did you see The house And
[4:12:12] I can tell you that every
[4:12:16] single renter application come
[4:12:16] in.
[4:12:17] We have a choice.
[4:12:17] We're not.
[4:12:18] We want to run credit report
[4:12:22] knowing that it can oppose
[4:12:23] impose quite a number of fee on
[4:12:26] people struggling trying to buy
[4:12:26] housing.
[4:12:27] I often advocate with my boss
[4:12:32] to not run like charging people
[4:12:32] fees like that because at
[4:12:33] the end of day even if we
[4:12:37] rejected our application
[4:12:37] the money coming out of
[4:12:38] people's pockets I also
[4:12:43] advocate would you guys deal
[4:12:43] with like ongoing
[4:12:44] the experiences and knowing
[4:12:48] that discounted extremely
[4:12:49] difficult to find housing and
[4:12:49] people are barely making a
[4:12:50] living if people already what
[4:12:54] to do three job to pay rent we
[4:12:55] cannot adding more fees on like
[4:12:59] this if you want to keep people
[4:13:00] house is how you want to do it
[4:13:00] pass that ordinance Thank you.
[4:13:06] >> Thank you Nicole.
[4:13:07] >> Hello my name is Nicole.
[4:13:11] I'm a resident of Now community
[4:13:12] in District nine.
[4:13:12] I'm a renter.
[4:13:15] I have two roommates.
[4:13:16] I have also have two part time
[4:13:16] jobs.
[4:13:20] Half of my income goes to my
[4:13:21] rent And I know that I'm not
[4:13:22] alone in this boat.
[4:13:23] Most renters I know or talk to
[4:13:25] have at least half or more than
[4:13:26] half of their paycheck go to
[4:13:26] their rent.
[4:13:30] A lot of people are living
[4:13:31] paycheck to paycheck on top of
[4:13:35] rent which is already a lot.
[4:13:36] There are fees, pet fees,
[4:13:37] application fees, convenience
[4:13:41] fees it at it adds up on
[4:13:41] Zillow.
[4:13:42] The last time I checked
[4:13:45] the application fee was $35.
[4:13:46] Whenever I pay my rent on a
[4:13:46] website I get charged
[4:13:50] convenience fees.
[4:13:51] It adds up.
[4:13:51] The reality is that most people
[4:13:55] are closer to homelessness than
[4:13:56] they are to people like Elon
[4:13:56] Musk, Donald Trump and Jeff
[4:13:56] Bezos.
[4:14:00] If you're already not homeless
[4:14:01] I urge you to pass this
[4:14:05] ordinance to protect a huge
[4:14:06] part of your constituents
[4:14:07] the renters, the working people
[4:14:09] in.
[4:14:10] >> Thank you.
[4:14:10] That concludes your time.
[4:14:15] Susan Riggs Good afternoon.
[4:14:16] I'm Susan Riggs, senior housing
[4:14:20] director for the American
[4:14:21] Society for the Prevention of
[4:14:25] Cruelty to Animals and a Renter
[4:14:25] in d-3.
[4:14:26] I'm here to speak to
[4:14:27] the importance of reining in
[4:14:30] rental rental fees overall but
[4:14:30] more specifically those related
[4:14:31] to the keeping of pets.
[4:14:34] Housing instability is among
[4:14:35] the top causes of pet
[4:14:36] surrender, especially among
[4:14:36] lower income households and
[4:14:39] communities of color.
[4:14:40] While I'm here to advocate for
[4:14:41] solutions to reverse this
[4:14:41] trend, I'm also here to speak
[4:14:44] to the importance of the human
[4:14:44] animal bond.
[4:14:45] People are making unimaginable
[4:14:49] decisions in order to avoid
[4:14:49] giving up their family of
[4:14:50] choice.
[4:14:51] We ask you to affirmatively act
[4:14:54] on the junk fees ordinance so
[4:14:54] that fewer renters are forced
[4:14:55] to choose between a roof over
[4:14:58] their head and keeping their
[4:14:58] family pet.
[4:14:59] Thank you.
[4:14:59] Thank you.
[4:15:13] Anthony Ralphs Good afternoon
[4:15:17] City Council I strongly support
[4:15:18] this ordinance because at a
[4:15:19] time when 60% of Americans are
[4:15:19] one paycheck away from
[4:15:22] homelessness, when a quarter of
[4:15:23] San Diegans are already
[4:15:24] currently in debt to the greedy
[4:15:27] energy monopoly star Genie when
[4:15:28] the cost of living in San Diego
[4:15:28] is already the highest in
[4:15:29] the nation when private equity
[4:15:32] predators are buying entire
[4:15:33] blocks and amassing communities
[4:15:34] of empty homes, we are prey to
[4:15:38] sky high rents, air pollution
[4:15:38] levels causing one death per
[4:15:39] day.
[4:15:39] Cp That can't hold police
[4:15:42] accountable.
[4:15:43] Sdg In these billions in profit
[4:15:46] greedy landlords flock and now
[4:15:46] junk fees.
[4:15:47] >> Please support this
[4:15:52] ordinance And I didn't forget
[4:15:52] about you LaCava There's a rose
[4:15:56] for you as well.
[4:15:56] Thank you.
[4:15:57] That does conclude in-person
[4:16:01] public comment.
[4:16:02] I've started The five minute
[4:16:03] timer on council chambers will
[4:16:05] now turn to the virtual queue
[4:16:06] in which there are 12
[4:16:06] participants requesting to
[4:16:10] speak.
[4:16:11] We'll begin with Evans Strawn.
[4:16:15] Please begin.
[4:16:15] >> >> Good afternoon.
[4:16:20] Council PRESIDENT LaCava and
[4:16:20] Council members.
[4:16:21] My name is Evan Strawn.
[4:16:22] I'm speaking on behalf of
[4:16:25] the San Diego Regional Chamber
[4:16:25] of Commerce.
[4:16:26] There are some aspects of this
[4:16:26] ordinance that we could support
[4:16:29] including increased
[4:16:30] transparency for renters and
[4:16:31] reasonable policies on things
[4:16:34] like processing fees.
[4:16:35] Unfortunately though we are
[4:16:35] opposed to the ordinance
[4:16:39] because many of the remaining
[4:16:39] items will lead to less
[4:16:40] investment in needed housing
[4:16:44] and do not allow rental
[4:16:44] operators to recoup reasonable
[4:16:45] costs for operations and
[4:16:48] maintenance.
[4:16:49] Rental housing operators incur
[4:16:50] costs for things like pest
[4:16:53] control, pet damage and late
[4:16:53] and unpaid rent.
[4:16:54] These are not just items they
[4:16:55] can write off for free.
[4:16:58] Their businesses who must
[4:16:59] recover costs just like any
[4:16:59] other business or even like
[4:17:03] governmental organizations like
[4:17:04] the city have to do.
[4:17:04] Most parts of this ordinance as
[4:17:08] it's currently written punish
[4:17:09] these businesses for trying to
[4:17:09] recoup these costs.
[4:17:10] For these reasons we must
[4:17:12] continue to oppose
[4:17:13] the ordinance as it is
[4:17:13] currently crafted.
[4:17:17] >> Thank you.
[4:17:17] >> Thank you.
[4:17:25] Jay ems ceo.
[4:17:25] Please begin.
[4:17:25] Yes?
[4:17:26] Can you hear me?
[4:17:26] Yes.
[4:17:30] Please begin.
[4:17:30] Thank you.
[4:17:31] So my wife and I are mom and
[4:17:35] pop landlords and I wanted to
[4:17:36] speak in opposition to this
[4:17:38] bill on two specific items and
[4:17:39] this has been misstated here a
[4:17:43] few times tonight.
[4:17:43] State law was changed a couple
[4:17:47] of years ago by Assembly Bill
[4:17:48] 12.
[4:17:48] It is now illegal in the state
[4:17:49] of California to charge a
[4:17:53] separate pet security deposit.
[4:17:53] That is the law of the land.
[4:17:57] The only way for a landlord to
[4:17:58] cover their damages for pets is
[4:17:58] for a pet fee.
[4:18:03] If you get rid of pet fees in
[4:18:04] the city of San Diego, my wife
[4:18:06] and I will sell all five of our
[4:18:07] rental units and it'll be very
[4:18:08] difficult for anybody to find a
[4:18:11] place to rent to them.
[4:18:12] On the portability of
[4:18:12] screening.
[4:18:15] I have in personally
[4:18:16] encountered people falsifying
[4:18:20] screening paperwork.
[4:18:21] And again if you banned me from
[4:18:25] getting my own we will get out
[4:18:26] of the landlord business as
[4:18:26] well many other landlords.
[4:18:29] Thank you for your time.
[4:18:34] >> Thank you.
[4:18:34] Our next speaker is Amelia
[4:18:35] Romero.
[4:18:41] Please begin.
[4:18:46] >> Good afternoon, council
[4:18:47] members.
[4:18:47] My name is Amalia Romero.
[4:18:48] I work at Legal Aid Society of
[4:18:51] San Diego and I support this
[4:18:52] ordinance.
[4:18:56] For years recently and our work
[4:18:56] helping the most vulnerable
[4:18:57] renters in the city We've seen
[4:19:01] the increase and widespread
[4:19:02] practice of landlords charging
[4:19:05] extra fees beyond the base rent
[4:19:06] .
[4:19:06] And we see firsthand how these
[4:19:07] hidden fees can push ordinary
[4:19:10] families into housing
[4:19:11] instability and how they're too
[4:19:11] often seemingly designed not
[4:19:14] just to recover operational
[4:19:15] expenses but to unfairly profit
[4:19:16] off of tenants.
[4:19:19] This ordinance will not prevent
[4:19:20] landlords from recovering
[4:19:21] legitimate costs.
[4:19:25] They can absolutely still
[4:19:25] recover those costs by
[4:19:26] including them in the base
[4:19:26] rent.
[4:19:29] As was previously a very common
[4:19:30] practice, this ordinance is not
[4:19:31] something revolutionary or that
[4:19:34] risks destabilizing the housing
[4:19:35] market in the city.
[4:19:36] It will promote transparency,
[4:19:39] close loopholes and limit
[4:19:40] exploitation.
[4:19:40] >> So I urge you to move it
[4:19:41] forward.
[4:19:44] Thank you very much.
[4:19:44] >> Thank you.
[4:19:45] Our next speaker is Aria
[4:19:45] Grossman.
[4:19:51] Please begin.
[4:19:52] >> Good afternoon Council.
[4:19:52] My name is Aria.
[4:19:53] I'm the policy manager at
[4:19:56] Circulate Planning and Policy.
[4:19:57] Under current law in certain
[4:20:01] places across the city parking
[4:20:02] has to be charged as a fee
[4:20:02] separate from rent.
[4:20:03] This is an equity measure to
[4:20:06] ensure that those who do not
[4:20:07] use a vehicle either by choice
[4:20:08] or by necessity aren't charged
[4:20:11] for it.
[4:20:11] In addition to being an equity
[4:20:12] consideration, this policy also
[4:20:15] helps make progress towards our
[4:20:16] climate and mobility goals as
[4:20:17] it helps ensure that people
[4:20:21] consider alternate forms of
[4:20:21] transportation rather than just
[4:20:22] defaulting to driving a
[4:20:22] vehicle.
[4:20:26] For this policy to be
[4:20:27] effective, the cost of parking
[4:20:27] has to reflect demand which
[4:20:31] cannot which it cannot be if
[4:20:32] it's capped under this
[4:20:32] ordinance.
[4:20:33] There is of course also
[4:20:36] the concern that landlords
[4:20:36] might raise rents on everyone
[4:20:37] to capture the differential
[4:20:37] between the cap and then
[4:20:41] the current market prices that
[4:20:41] they're charging for parking.
[4:20:42] So I urge you to address this
[4:20:45] issue by exempting parking
[4:20:46] costs that are already required
[4:20:46] to be unbundled from rent and
[4:20:47] the final ordinance.
[4:20:49] Thank you.
[4:20:50] >> Thank you.
[4:20:50] Our next speaker is Justine
[4:20:51] Murray.
[4:20:58] Please begin.
[4:20:58] Good afternoon, Council
[4:20:59] PRESIDENT Cobb and Council
[4:20:59] members.
[4:21:00] My name is Justine Murray.
[4:21:01] I'm the vice PRESIDENT Of
[4:21:02] government affairs for
[4:21:02] the Downtown Senior
[4:21:03] Partnership.
[4:21:03] More than 30 years
[4:21:06] the partnership has represented
[4:21:07] downtown San Diego's businesses
[4:21:08] property owners, employers,
[4:21:08] residents and community
[4:21:12] stakeholders.
[4:21:12] We respectfully urge you to
[4:21:13] vote no on this ordinance as
[4:21:14] currently proposed.
[4:21:16] While we do support greater
[4:21:17] transparency for renters, this
[4:21:17] ordinance goes well beyond that
[4:21:18] goal.
[4:21:18] It creates additional
[4:21:21] regulations that increase
[4:21:22] uncertainty for housing
[4:21:23] providers, make projects more
[4:21:23] difficult to finance and
[4:21:26] discourage the private
[4:21:27] investment needed to build,
[4:21:27] operate and maintain housing
[4:21:28] for San Diegans.
[4:21:31] At a time when our city faces a
[4:21:32] severe housing shortage, we
[4:21:32] should be advancing policies
[4:21:33] that encourage housing
[4:21:36] production not adding new
[4:21:37] barriers that could further
[4:21:38] constrain housing supply and
[4:21:38] investment.
[4:21:41] We encourage the city to
[4:21:41] continue working with
[4:21:42] stakeholders on balanced
[4:21:42] solutions that improve
[4:21:46] transparency while also
[4:21:46] preserving a predictable
[4:21:47] regulatory environment that
[4:21:47] supports housing production
[4:21:48] affordability.
[4:21:50] Thank you so much for your
[4:21:51] time.
[4:21:51] Thank you.
[4:21:55] Please note that the five
[4:21:56] minute timer has concluded with
[4:21:56] nine speakers left in
[4:21:56] the queue.
[4:22:00] No other speakers will be taken
[4:22:00] for public comment.
[4:22:01] Our next speaker is C.J.
[4:22:02] Mendoza.
[4:22:07] Please begin.
[4:22:08] >> Good afternoon.
[4:22:09] I'm C.J. I'm with high school
[4:22:12] and I urge you to vote yes on
[4:22:12] this ordinance.
[4:22:13] Hidden rental fees makes
[4:22:14] housing more expensive and
[4:22:17] unpredictable.
[4:22:18] More cost transparency benefits
[4:22:18] both renters and responsible
[4:22:21] landlords.
[4:22:22] In addition to the strong
[4:22:23] support of the ordinance being
[4:22:24] reviewed today, I urge the City
[4:22:26] Council to explore the addition
[4:22:27] of language that would prohibit
[4:22:27] landlords from charging a
[4:22:31] higher rent for additional
[4:22:32] tenants living in the same
[4:22:32] unit.
[4:22:33] While language directly naming
[4:22:36] the cost of additional tenants
[4:22:37] ,many of the leases that were
[4:22:37] reviewed included language
[4:22:41] similarly limiting the tendency
[4:22:42] of the unit to only those
[4:22:42] signed to the lease agreement.
[4:22:45] We understand that additional
[4:22:46] tenants MAY trigger higher
[4:22:47] utility consumption and MAY
[4:22:51] result in higher utility bills
[4:22:51] for that unit But the base
[4:22:52] monthly rent should not be
[4:22:56] allowed to change.
[4:22:57] Many San Diego, especially
[4:22:57] youth are vulnerable to
[4:23:00] unpredictable employment status
[4:23:01] and rising cost of living.
[4:23:01] Unfortunately.
[4:23:05] Thank you And please vote yes.
[4:23:06] >> Thank you.
[4:23:07] Our next speaker is Natalie
[4:23:07] Roski.
[4:23:14] Please begin.
[4:23:20] Natalie Roski.
[4:23:20] Hi.
[4:23:21] Can you hear me?
[4:23:21] Yes.
[4:23:22] Please begin.
[4:23:22] All right.
[4:23:25] Natalie Ashley, District seven
[4:23:29] I've been transparent most of
[4:23:30] these meetings about what I go
[4:23:31] through as a tenant in some of
[4:23:34] these large apartment complexes
[4:23:39] such as Money Vista.
[4:23:39] If we're being currently, you
[4:23:40] know, having to move and I have
[4:23:44] a child that's 18.
[4:23:45] So when you're married you have
[4:23:45] to fill out an application for
[4:23:49] yourself or your husband And
[4:23:50] now I have an 18 year old
[4:23:50] child.
[4:23:51] That adds up.
[4:23:54] We have some sub water charges
[4:23:54] submitted water charges,
[4:23:59] submitters sewer charges along
[4:23:59] on top of the water and sewer
[4:24:03] charge which they charge us a
[4:24:04] on the size of our apartment
[4:24:04] square foot.
[4:24:08] So I could be conserving water
[4:24:09] but that doesn't mean the other
[4:24:10] my neighbor is and I'm still
[4:24:13] being charged per my square
[4:24:13] foot.
[4:24:14] My garbage fees are $103 a
[4:24:14] month.
[4:24:18] It's starting to really become
[4:24:19] overwhelming that families are
[4:24:19] having to put themselves in
[4:24:26] situation where they feel like
[4:24:26] .
[4:24:27] Thank you.
[4:24:27] That does conclude your time.
[4:24:28] Our next speaker is a caller
[4:24:31] with the last four digits 8700.
[4:24:45] Please begin.
[4:24:46] >> Sorry about that.
[4:24:50] Deputy City Clerk Joy Sonia.
[4:24:51] >> Yeah, I'm glad I'm coming.
[4:24:55] Excuse me.
[4:24:56] I was a strong Yes and then I
[4:25:00] listened and I listened
[4:25:01] carefully to all the speakers
[4:25:05] and wow, that was a lot of
[4:25:06] information in a lot of it
[4:25:09] seemed real on both sides.
[4:25:10] So Councilmember Rivera, I'm
[4:25:14] going to be a yes with an
[4:25:15] amendment in the amendment is
[4:25:19] that we get a little more
[4:25:23] clarity on three things
[4:25:28] stakeholders, more outreach to
[4:25:28] stakeholders and get more
[4:25:32] clarity on their losses and how
[4:25:33] fair that would be.
[4:25:38] And then polarizing language I
[4:25:38] agree with Paul Kruger and for
[4:25:43] some reason I don't feel
[4:25:44] comfortable with the word junk.
[4:25:47] It could be a personal bias in
[4:25:48] some way but is that being used
[4:25:52] in a professional legal way?
[4:25:53] That does conclude your take.
[4:25:53] Thank you.
[4:26:01] Kevin hang on a second.
[4:26:02] That's why I'm hanging on.
[4:26:02] But you guys earn it.
[4:26:05] No, we don't.
[4:26:06] >> We're going to take a brief
[4:26:06] recess until we reestablish
[4:26:09] quorum.
[4:26:19] Thank you.
[4:26:32] Henry I'm glad to hear from
[4:26:46] just one of them.
[4:26:52] Yes.
[4:26:52] Yes.
[4:26:52] Okay.
[4:26:56] And we're back.
[4:26:57] Come and continue on.
[4:26:57] Okay.
[4:27:01] Our next speaker is Hector.
[4:27:01] >> Please begin.
[4:27:02] All right.
[4:27:06] Thanks for taking my call.
[4:27:06] Hey, you guys should have these
[4:27:07] meetings at night when more
[4:27:11] guys can afford to come there
[4:27:12] and pass out a free trial.
[4:27:13] A day passes for
[4:27:16] the participants that actually
[4:27:16] come there.
[4:27:17] That'd be great because these
[4:27:20] guys are street level men.
[4:27:20] Regulate them Billionaire
[4:27:21] companies.
[4:27:25] They're trying to do.
[4:27:26] They're the ones charging all
[4:27:27] these fees and any fee they can
[4:27:27] think of.
[4:27:30] And you guys are charging fees
[4:27:33] also man just hired 18 more
[4:27:34] parking meter guys and given
[4:27:38] out tickets left and right.
[4:27:39] Plus you guys are the ultimate
[4:27:39] bait and switch.
[4:27:43] There's these guys The big guys
[4:27:44] are bait and switch and on
[4:27:49] these things the rest three
[4:27:49] grand but it really turns out
[4:27:50] to be 36 grand.
[4:27:53] Kind of like what you guys did
[4:27:54] on the track b You guys are
[4:27:55] the ultimate bait and switch
[4:27:58] switchers and I don't know if
[4:27:58] you guys even have these
[4:27:59] meetings man with a straight
[4:28:03] face but to regulate the big
[4:28:04] guys they're scamming and they
[4:28:06] don't care.
[4:28:07] >> The little guys are cool.
[4:28:10] Thank you Melissa Peterman
[4:28:16] Please begin.
[4:28:17] >> Hi, my name's Melissa
[4:28:17] Peterman and I'm with
[4:28:20] townspeople in affordable
[4:28:20] Housing nonprofit and we're in
[4:28:24] support of the ordinance.
[4:28:25] We always look at how we charge
[4:28:26] people and although not unusual
[4:28:30] to charge a late fee, we
[4:28:30] decided not to By and large our
[4:28:31] tenants pay their rent and when
[4:28:35] they don't it's because
[4:28:36] something bad happened which
[4:28:36] tells us that if our tenants
[4:28:40] have the money they pay and if
[4:28:40] they don't charging them extra
[4:28:41] doesn't help them come up with
[4:28:41] it.
[4:28:44] It just punishes them for
[4:28:44] having a rough month which
[4:28:45] doesn't feel right to us as
[4:28:49] others have said, it's not that
[4:28:50] landlords should never charge
[4:28:50] fees.
[4:28:54] The costs of housing are real.
[4:28:54] We're an affordable housing
[4:28:59] nonprofit not flush with cash
[4:28:59] and we operate without them If
[4:29:00] a fee is needed put it in
[4:29:04] the listing, put it in
[4:29:04] the lease.
[4:29:05] Let people make an informed
[4:29:05] decision before they sign
[4:29:08] anything.
[4:29:09] Finding a home in our community
[4:29:10] is a lot and the last thing
[4:29:13] someone needs is to finally
[4:29:14] land somewhere, do the math,
[4:29:14] get excited, move in and find
[4:29:15] out that number was never a
[4:29:19] real The ordinance says be up
[4:29:19] front and work.
[4:29:20] >> Thank you both and conclude
[4:29:21] your time.
[4:29:23] Our next speaker is Kim Arnold.
[4:29:39] Please Kim Arnold, please begin
[4:29:39] .
[4:29:44] Kim Arnold?
[4:29:44] Yes?
[4:29:45] Hi.
[4:29:45] Can you hear me?
[4:29:46] Yes, we can hear you.
[4:29:49] Thank you.
[4:29:49] >> I represent a small family
[4:29:50] owned management company.
[4:29:53] First off as a rental housing
[4:29:54] provider we absolutely agree
[4:29:57] with price transparency and
[4:29:58] we've already rolled it out
[4:29:59] across the board for all of our
[4:29:59] rental properties housing
[4:30:03] providers should be upfront
[4:30:04] with the total costs and fees
[4:30:04] for the rentals that they offer
[4:30:08] but some fees are necessary as
[4:30:08] long as they are disclosed.
[4:30:09] Were you aware that dog pet
[4:30:13] stations cost anywhere from 4
[4:30:14] to $600 each and need to be
[4:30:14] replaced every couple of years
[4:30:17] due to corrosion?
[4:30:18] Pet waste bags are not free but
[4:30:22] more importantly fraud is a
[4:30:23] real issue in our industry with
[4:30:27] websites out there that sell
[4:30:27] fake screening documents.
[4:30:28] Housing providers need to be
[4:30:29] able to pull their own
[4:30:32] screening reports from trusted
[4:30:33] providers to cut out fraudulent
[4:30:36] applications.
[4:30:37] Let's work together for common
[4:30:38] sense changes to this ordinance
[4:30:41] that can work for all parties.
[4:30:42] >> Thank you.
[4:30:42] Thank you.
[4:30:43] Our next speaker is Blair
[4:30:43] Beekman.
[4:30:47] Please begin.
[4:30:47] >> All right.
[4:30:48] Thank you.
[4:30:52] Blair Beekman The beginning of
[4:30:53] the presentation to make
[4:30:53] housing more affordable for San
[4:30:57] Diegans And third is promote
[4:30:57] fairness, equity and
[4:30:58] transparency regarding how
[4:31:01] landlords change fees.
[4:31:02] >> That order should be
[4:31:02] reversed.
[4:31:05] I think that's a starting point
[4:31:06] .
[4:31:07] I think this is an item that
[4:31:11] speaks to our our best selves
[4:31:12] and that tenants rights should
[4:31:16] be an issue that we are working
[4:31:16] towards and how we build our
[4:31:21] future and that it shouldn't be
[4:31:21] feared.
[4:31:22] We can work together toward
[4:31:22] those goals.
[4:31:26] So you know the issues for
[4:31:27] landlords can't they can't we
[4:31:29] work out something with
[4:31:30] the city that they can create
[4:31:31] some sort of funding pattern so
[4:31:35] they can dip into for
[4:31:36] operational costs and work out
[4:31:39] a system like that for really
[4:31:40] great measure That sounds like
[4:31:44] how how can operational costs
[4:31:45] be supported by the city for
[4:31:46] landlords and for landlords who
[4:31:46] don't want to use that system
[4:31:51] they can offer you can offer a
[4:31:51] good legislative package and so
[4:31:52] they have to return.
[4:31:52] >> Thank you.
[4:31:57] That does conclude your time.
[4:31:58] Next speaker is a caller with
[4:31:59] the last four digits 2538.
[4:32:11] Please begin.
[4:32:12] >> Caller with the last four
[4:32:12] digits 2538.
[4:32:14] Please begin.
[4:32:20] >> I cannot unmute for you.
[4:32:21] >> The only other thing I think
[4:32:26] is very Hello my name is
[4:32:26] Stedman.
[4:32:27] i am a researcher and policy
[4:32:29] advocate with the Center on
[4:32:30] Policy Initiatives.
[4:32:30] Sorry about the founding
[4:32:35] syndication I have to struggle
[4:32:36] to submit housing applications.
[4:32:37] I was looking for housing
[4:32:39] shelter That's both a financial
[4:32:39] burden on renters.
[4:32:40] We should be able to budget for
[4:32:44] living expenses without having
[4:32:44] to worry about unexpected fees
[4:32:45] holding us back financially.
[4:32:48] That's why I'm here in support
[4:32:49] of a proposed ordinance to
[4:32:49] address financial exploitation
[4:32:50] and the need for cost
[4:32:54] transparency something that no
[4:32:54] ethical landlord should oppose.
[4:32:55] I also ask that the ordinance
[4:32:59] includes necessary protections
[4:33:00] to ensure that landlords do not
[4:33:03] pass the cost of basic fees to
[4:33:04] people's cost of rent.
[4:33:04] What is being asked as a bare
[4:33:05] minimum landlord should not be
[4:33:08] able to squeeze more money out
[4:33:09] of working families with
[4:33:09] the rising cost of living in
[4:33:10] San Diego.
[4:33:13] City Council needs to take
[4:33:14] action to prevent added
[4:33:14] economic hardship.
[4:33:15] Moving this forward is a
[4:33:18] necessary step at your chair to
[4:33:19] support this ordinance and
[4:33:19] stand up for tenant protections
[4:33:22] and landlord accountability.
[4:33:22] >> Thank you.
[4:33:23] Thank you.
[4:33:24] Our next speaker is Thelma
[4:33:24] Navarro.
[4:33:35] Please begin.
[4:33:39] Okay.
[4:33:40] Looks like we lost Thelma.
[4:33:41] That does conclude a virtual
[4:33:41] comment.
[4:33:45] We do.
[4:33:46] We also have received speaker
[4:33:46] slips that would like to
[4:33:50] register a position but not
[4:33:50] speak.
[4:33:52] We did receive one slip to
[4:33:57] speak in favor by aj Estrada
[4:33:58] and the following individuals
[4:34:03] submitted slips in opposition.
[4:34:04] Jack and Hale.
[4:34:04] Doug Dunbar.
[4:34:08] Wendy Montgomery a rain Shaker.
[4:34:13] Annabel Cloutier Chanel Sotelo.
[4:34:14] Bertha.
[4:34:18] Alicia Pichardo.
[4:34:18] Alisha Mendez.
[4:34:22] Doris said Duff.
[4:34:23] Grant Beckwith.
[4:34:27] Rodrigo Herrero de Faria.
[4:34:32] And that does conclude public
[4:34:33] comment for item 330.
[4:34:33] All right.
[4:34:37] Thank you, Deputy Clerk.
[4:34:38] As I like to do on these big
[4:34:39] meetings, let's give a big
[4:34:40] round of applause to our deputy
[4:34:42] clerk and the entire city clerk
[4:34:42] staff for keeping us organized
[4:34:46] and on point.
[4:34:47] You guys always do a great work
[4:34:48] despite how many people show up
[4:34:51] to speak.
[4:34:52] >> This is an information item
[4:34:53] so no motions required and
[4:34:53] we'll turn it over to
[4:34:56] Councilmember questions and
[4:34:57] comments.
[4:34:57] And I'm going to start with
[4:34:58] the two council members that
[4:35:01] are bringing this item forward
[4:35:02] and we'll start with you
[4:35:03] Council member Ella Rivera.
[4:35:06] All right.
[4:35:06] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.
[4:35:07] Thank you again to Jeffrey and
[4:35:11] Maya, to Hilda with the city
[4:35:12] attorney's office and all of
[4:35:15] the community folks who we
[4:35:16] worked with over the last
[4:35:20] several months In addition to
[4:35:25] Councilmember Foster's office
[4:35:25] and our colleagues at the Board
[4:35:26] of Supervisors to get to where
[4:35:29] we are today.
[4:35:30] As I mentioned before this
[4:35:33] conversation started last year
[4:35:34] at the committee to address
[4:35:38] the cost of living.
[4:35:39] And what we kept hearing from
[4:35:40] committee members about the way
[4:35:43] that ways that hidden fees and
[4:35:44] junk fees were impacting their
[4:35:48] ability to see a future in this
[4:35:49] city at the end of the day.
[4:35:49] That is what we are.
[4:35:53] We are fighting for is to make
[4:35:54] San Diego a place where
[4:35:55] everyone sees a real future for
[4:35:58] themselves where young people
[4:35:59] who are in college or just
[4:35:59] graduated can see themselves
[4:36:03] continuing to live here where
[4:36:03] young families actually feel
[4:36:04] like they have a chance to to
[4:36:04] make it.
[4:36:07] And we're seniors don't feel
[4:36:08] like they're consistently on
[4:36:08] the cusp of being priced out.
[4:36:12] And all of that is becoming
[4:36:13] more and more challenging for
[4:36:17] everyday people these days.
[4:36:21] And in addition to that,
[4:36:22] housing is a human right.
[4:36:26] And so with all of that in mind
[4:36:26] ,we think that reining in
[4:36:31] these excessive fees, these
[4:36:31] deceptive and sometimes
[4:36:32] completely hidden fees is
[4:36:36] essential for making San Diego
[4:36:37] a more affordable place for
[4:36:37] everyday people.
[4:36:41] We I want to also acknowledge a
[4:36:41] couple of things here.
[4:36:45] One is is the renters who spoke
[4:36:49] up that did take a lot of
[4:36:54] courage because it is not as if
[4:36:55] retaliation is a theoretical
[4:36:55] issue.
[4:36:59] It's a real issue.
[4:37:00] We heard from multiple people
[4:37:01] today about the ways that
[4:37:04] they've been retaliated against
[4:37:09] for simply asking what the law
[4:37:09] already requires.
[4:37:14] And while while there are
[4:37:18] remedies to that, it often
[4:37:19] comes at considerable cost and
[4:37:22] a real decision as to whether
[4:37:27] or not the willingness to speak
[4:37:28] your mind is worth all
[4:37:29] the discomfort that comes with
[4:37:30] having a landlord that's trying
[4:37:35] to push you out of your home.
[4:37:36] I want to acknowledge the good
[4:37:36] landlords who are here.
[4:37:37] The gentleman who spoke at
[4:37:38] the beginning of this
[4:37:40] conversation who seems like
[4:37:45] the most upright and honest
[4:37:45] business person that we could
[4:37:50] ask for if that is what every
[4:37:50] renter in San Diego is
[4:37:51] experiencing we wouldn't be
[4:37:55] having this conversation right
[4:37:55] now.
[4:37:56] Unfortunately that is not
[4:37:58] the way every landlord is
[4:38:03] treating their tenants.
[4:38:04] >> It was said today that
[4:38:05] everyone has the same goal.
[4:38:08] And I actually think that in
[4:38:08] this case that's actually not
[4:38:12] true.
[4:38:13] There are corporate landlords
[4:38:14] and others whose goal is to
[4:38:17] make as much money as they
[4:38:18] possibly can off every person
[4:38:22] in their homes no matter what
[4:38:23] what impact that has on those
[4:38:27] people.
[4:38:28] And then there's the rest of us
[4:38:29] who are just trying to get by
[4:38:31] and want to see their neighbors
[4:38:37] survive and thrive And that's
[4:38:37] who we're going who we're
[4:38:41] trying to fight for here.
[4:38:46] On the issue of fairness and
[4:38:47] transparency, I appreciate that
[4:38:51] There was multiple landlords
[4:38:52] who said they agree with with
[4:38:56] that And I think most are doing
[4:38:57] their best to be transparent.
[4:39:01] But here's the thing
[4:39:01] The honesty of an honest
[4:39:06] landlord doesn't erase or
[4:39:06] protect renters from the harm
[4:39:07] caused by dishonest and greedy
[4:39:10] landlords.
[4:39:16] And if a fee can be disclosed
[4:39:16] to banks or in financial models
[4:39:21] or loan agreements, there is no
[4:39:21] reason why it cannot be
[4:39:25] disclosed to renters.
[4:39:26] >> So when we say that fees are
[4:39:30] not secret because they're
[4:39:31] baked into the financial models
[4:39:32] no they're not secret from
[4:39:36] the banks and the lenders and
[4:39:36] the people who are profiting
[4:39:37] off the system.
[4:39:41] But they are to the people who
[4:39:45] are scratching in clean and
[4:39:46] fighting with other renters
[4:39:46] over the limited housing stock
[4:39:50] that we have.
[4:39:51] And just because something is
[4:39:55] baked in does not mean it's not
[4:39:55] harmful.
[4:39:56] In fact it could be very
[4:40:00] harmful.
[4:40:00] A 2021 needs assessment by
[4:40:01] serving seniors found that
[4:40:02] financial distress is a driver
[4:40:05] for older adults into
[4:40:05] homelessness.
[4:40:06] In an environment where 33% of
[4:40:07] the unsheltered population are
[4:40:10] individuals that are 55 and up,
[4:40:10] we can see why transparency is
[4:40:11] so vital for people who are
[4:40:14] living on fixed incomes.
[4:40:18] >> So with all of all of this
[4:40:23] in mind, the hope today is that
[4:40:24] after I've made my comments and
[4:40:25] you've seen the presentation
[4:40:25] and Councilmember Foster hears
[4:40:28] yours, we can get feedback
[4:40:29] Council PRESIDENT From
[4:40:32] the council from our colleagues
[4:40:33] so that when we bring a draft
[4:40:34] ordinance, when we bring an
[4:40:38] ordinance forward in the fall,
[4:40:39] it's one that everyone has had
[4:40:42] a chance to see to weigh in on
[4:40:43] and we can get to the work of
[4:40:47] making San Diego a place where
[4:40:48] renters have the rights that
[4:40:52] they should have the chance.
[4:40:53] Parents see that any consumer
[4:40:54] should have and they will
[4:40:54] actually believe that they can
[4:40:58] continue to live in the city
[4:40:59] that they love.
[4:40:59] >> Thank you, Council
[4:41:00] PRESIDENT.
[4:41:00] All right.
[4:41:00] Thank you.
[4:41:01] Council member Councilmember
[4:41:01] Rivera.
[4:41:02] >> Now I will go to Council
[4:41:06] member Foster.
[4:41:11] Yes, Thank you, Council
[4:41:16] PRESIDENT And thank you Council
[4:41:20] member Isla Rivera to you in
[4:41:21] your team.
[4:41:22] Also just want to say a big
[4:41:26] thank you to our county
[4:41:26] partners.
[4:41:27] We've had a lot of
[4:41:30] conversations to get to this
[4:41:35] point to where there was
[4:41:36] something to present.
[4:41:40] And I do want to be clear that
[4:41:41] this was intentional to have as
[4:41:45] an information an item because
[4:41:49] it was to introduce the item
[4:41:50] and to make sure that we were
[4:41:55] able to receive feedback to
[4:42:00] look at all sides of this.
[4:42:04] When this was presented at
[4:42:05] the originally discussed at
[4:42:10] Committee I to have concerns.
[4:42:14] A lot of times you hear in
[4:42:15] District four.
[4:42:16] One thing that really does
[4:42:20] strike me is the type of
[4:42:21] product that we tend to get
[4:42:25] presented as we were talking
[4:42:25] about housing.
[4:42:30] And so I wanted to make sure
[4:42:31] that I was at the table and
[4:42:35] able to work through not only
[4:42:40] public concern, whether you're
[4:42:45] the landlord or the tenant, but
[4:42:46] I just think this is a
[4:42:47] conversation that we need to
[4:42:51] have and that we must have.
[4:42:54] Also I do want to say and one
[4:42:55] thing that I do find very
[4:43:00] troubling is that for quite
[4:43:01] some time the city of San Diego
[4:43:06] has been spending about $100
[4:43:06] million on an annual basis in
[4:43:10] regards to our homelessness
[4:43:11] efforts.
[4:43:16] And to this day with that type
[4:43:16] of expenditure we are
[4:43:21] continuing to see more families
[4:43:22] ,more individuals entering
[4:43:26] homelessness than staying
[4:43:27] housed.
[4:43:32] And that's concerning.
[4:43:33] And as we talk about cost of
[4:43:37] living, I think we can all
[4:43:38] agree that cost of living when
[4:43:42] you ask a family, when you ask
[4:43:43] a typical resident cost of
[4:43:47] living is a major, major
[4:43:48] concern.
[4:43:48] And so these are conversations
[4:43:52] that are difficult
[4:43:53] conversations.
[4:43:53] These are conversations that I
[4:43:54] feel are important
[4:43:54] conversations that
[4:44:02] conversations we must have.
[4:44:06] And I have lived in district
[4:44:07] for four for the majority of my
[4:44:07] life.
[4:44:11] And there were just recently
[4:44:12] some new units that were
[4:44:13] brought online that were ready
[4:44:15] that are right around
[4:44:21] the corner from my house.
[4:44:22] And these are brand new units
[4:44:25] and they are two and three
[4:44:26] bedroom units but they are
[4:44:29] going for about $3,600 a month.
[4:44:35] And part of the fees that are
[4:44:35] included are pet fees, trash
[4:44:40] pickup, These parking for
[4:44:41] storage fees that are saying
[4:44:44] that, you know, rent can go as
[4:44:44] high as $3,900 a month.
[4:44:50] And so I understand and I can
[4:44:51] tell you when that I built
[4:44:54] units and I understand there is
[4:45:00] a cost to design construct and
[4:45:01] to design and construct
[4:45:06] the units.
[4:45:07] And I also understand that
[4:45:07] there's a cost in managing
[4:45:12] the properties.
[4:45:13] And I think one of the examples
[4:45:14] and I think one of the public
[4:45:18] speakers brought up is about
[4:45:19] pet areas and how that is
[4:45:19] handled.
[4:45:20] I personally worked on a
[4:45:25] project where there were
[4:45:26] specific provisions provided in
[4:45:31] the project for pet areas and
[4:45:31] those do require maintenance
[4:45:32] but those are amenities that I
[4:45:36] think communities want and
[4:45:37] deserve.
[4:45:37] And so I think there needs to
[4:45:42] be there does need to be some
[4:45:43] additional conversation.
[4:45:47] Also I did make a commitment
[4:45:48] that my daughter that I will go
[4:45:49] out and as we are here for this
[4:45:54] informational item but I will
[4:45:55] be meeting with stakeholders.
[4:45:59] I will be meeting with folks
[4:46:00] that are renters.
[4:46:01] And I will be meeting with
[4:46:06] industry because this is
[4:46:06] something that I think is a
[4:46:07] conversation that needs to take
[4:46:07] place.
[4:46:12] And I would like to think that
[4:46:13] as we look at the city of San
[4:46:18] Diego as a whole that we can
[4:46:18] all come to the table and do
[4:46:19] what's right.
[4:46:23] And so I say all that to say
[4:46:24] that I do appreciate all of
[4:46:25] the work that has gone into
[4:46:25] this to date.
[4:46:30] And I continue to look forward
[4:46:31] to the discussion as we move
[4:46:31] forward.
[4:46:35] Very interesting to hear from
[4:46:41] my colleagues as as I would
[4:46:42] like to hear their positions
[4:46:48] And as you know with the Brown
[4:46:49] Act it does allow us to to to
[4:46:50] have that type of conversation.
[4:46:54] So I'm eager to to hear my
[4:46:54] colleague's comments.
[4:46:55] And I'm also eager to continue
[4:47:00] to roll our sleeves up and to
[4:47:00] bring a product that I hope
[4:47:05] gets us to where we need to be
[4:47:06] so that as we talk about
[4:47:07] housing, as we talk about
[4:47:12] housing being a fundamental
[4:47:13] right which is a belief that I
[4:47:18] do sharing because I truly do
[4:47:19] feel every family, every
[4:47:23] person, every young person
[4:47:24] should have a place that they
[4:47:25] call home that is safe, that is
[4:47:30] well maintained and and based
[4:47:36] on certain calls that I receive
[4:47:37] on a regular basis.
[4:47:38] There is a lot of work to do
[4:47:43] and one thing that does make
[4:47:43] this a very difficult and
[4:47:44] challenging conversation and I
[4:47:48] think some of the public
[4:47:49] commenters touched upon this
[4:47:49] quite frequently are
[4:47:54] the various complexities and
[4:48:00] different types of of units
[4:48:01] that we have in place because
[4:48:06] we have everyone at different
[4:48:06] economic levels.
[4:48:07] Some folks like certain
[4:48:13] amenities and some don't.
[4:48:14] You know so I think all of that
[4:48:18] needs to be further looked at
[4:48:19] and discussed.
[4:48:20] And I look forward to to
[4:48:24] the conversations to come as we
[4:48:25] prepare to move this forward in
[4:48:25] the fall.
[4:48:30] So with that council PRESIDENT
[4:48:31] That will conclude my comments.
[4:48:32] And again thank you for
[4:48:32] everyone that came out.
[4:48:36] And thank you to my colleagues
[4:48:36] and thank you.
[4:48:37] All right.
[4:48:37] Thank you.
[4:48:38] COUNCILMAN Foster.
[4:48:39] We'll go next to council member
[4:48:42] Campbell.
[4:48:42] >> Thank you so much Council
[4:48:43] PRESIDENT And thank you to
[4:48:49] council Councilmember Foster
[4:48:49] for your comments as well as
[4:48:50] Councilmember Sheila Rivera.
[4:48:55] It's been really revealing to
[4:48:56] hear all the horrible things
[4:48:57] that so many people have been
[4:49:01] through and so many people have
[4:49:01] had advantage taken of them.
[4:49:02] I'm so sorry to hear about
[4:49:02] that.
[4:49:07] I really I really think that we
[4:49:07] need to to look at this
[4:49:12] sometimes from high up and
[4:49:13] realize that there are two big
[4:49:14] things causing what's going on
[4:49:14] here.
[4:49:15] First of all, there's not
[4:49:19] enough supply for the demand of
[4:49:19] rental housing.
[4:49:20] So that that's the number one
[4:49:20] problem.
[4:49:25] We need more supply so that we
[4:49:25] can meet the demand.
[4:49:26] Number two, there's a problem
[4:49:30] because the state legislature
[4:49:31] her favorite friend put in
[4:49:37] the 10% cap on rent raises just
[4:49:38] a couple of years back.
[4:49:38] And the reason they did this
[4:49:42] was it was going to be 5%
[4:49:42] allowed per year for rent
[4:49:42] raise.
[4:49:48] And then the other the other
[4:49:48] limit up to 10% had to do with
[4:49:49] the inflation rate.
[4:49:50] So for last year I believe
[4:49:53] the amount the state would have
[4:49:54] allowed would have been
[4:49:55] something like 8.3% of a raise
[4:50:00] in rent.
[4:50:01] And you know that can be a
[4:50:02] pretty high raise in rent for a
[4:50:02] lot of people.
[4:50:06] So that's that's tough in and
[4:50:06] of itself.
[4:50:07] However, costs have gone up
[4:50:11] gone up so dramatically that
[4:50:17] these these landlords MAY have
[4:50:18] put in fees as a way to get
[4:50:18] around having to take a loss
[4:50:23] because they needed they
[4:50:24] thought they needed some of
[4:50:25] them MAY just be greedy but
[4:50:26] they thought they needed more
[4:50:30] than cap of the 3% in order to
[4:50:35] not take a loss on the amount
[4:50:35] of rent they received.
[4:50:36] So they're in business.
[4:50:37] They can't take a loss or
[4:50:41] they'll go out of business.
[4:50:42] So it's a really it's a double
[4:50:43] edged sword.
[4:50:46] They've got two things against
[4:50:47] them supply and demand.
[4:50:52] Demand is high, supply is low
[4:50:53] so they can kind of look
[4:50:54] the other way around since more
[4:50:58] people want to rent from them.
[4:50:58] They have spaces to rent.
[4:50:59] And number two, the state has
[4:51:03] imposed a limit on them that
[4:51:04] does not necessarily represent
[4:51:09] a free market type of a
[4:51:10] situation for business people.
[4:51:16] So it's a really it's it's a
[4:51:16] tough situation going out from
[4:51:17] the side of each each party
[4:51:22] involved The landlord and
[4:51:22] the renter.
[4:51:23] It's tough.
[4:51:23] I'm particularly concerned that
[4:51:27] more regulations as some have
[4:51:28] said today will continue to
[4:51:28] disproportionately affect small
[4:51:33] mom and pop housing providers.
[4:51:34] They are still the vast
[4:51:39] majority of those in San Diego
[4:51:40] who provide rental units.
[4:51:40] And these suggested
[4:51:44] requirements will put an undue
[4:51:45] burden on their small
[4:51:45] businesses.
[4:51:46] i doubt that these rules would
[4:51:50] hurt corporate landlords who've
[4:51:51] been trying to increase their
[4:51:52] share of our market Here in San
[4:51:57] Diego corporate landlords have
[4:51:58] employees and bandwidth and
[4:51:58] they can meet requirements like
[4:52:03] this but small landlords cannot
[4:52:04] and MAY be forced out of
[4:52:09] business as many have left This
[4:52:09] business with the previous
[4:52:10] regulations that were put into
[4:52:15] effect to to help protect
[4:52:16] renters from evictions.
[4:52:21] And that's a shame because
[4:52:22] people do need to be prevented
[4:52:27] from unnecessary evictions.
[4:52:28] But the best way to ensure that
[4:52:28] people have and remain in
[4:52:32] housing is to build more of it.
[4:52:33] We need more housing.
[4:52:34] We need increasing supply so
[4:52:39] that renters can have an ample
[4:52:39] choice of where they should
[4:52:40] live and can choose Among these
[4:52:41] I used to be a landlord.
[4:52:44] I just had one condo that I
[4:52:49] rented out and this was 15
[4:52:50] years ago so it wasn't that
[4:52:50] long.
[4:52:51] It was more like ten years ago
[4:52:55] but it wasn't that long ago But
[4:52:56] it was long enough ago that
[4:52:56] these new fees are different
[4:52:59] than what we had back ten
[4:52:59] years.
[4:53:00] I would never think of charging
[4:53:01] an application fee.
[4:53:06] The fact that I would have to
[4:53:07] do a background check on who
[4:53:07] wanted to rent that was my
[4:53:12] problem.
[4:53:13] That was something I paid for
[4:53:13] as a landlord as part of my
[4:53:17] business cost That was included
[4:53:18] in the rent.
[4:53:18] That's how business is done.
[4:53:24] You put the cost the product
[4:53:24] into what you charge
[4:53:25] the consumer and you try to
[4:53:30] make ends meet.
[4:53:30] Well unfortunately with
[4:53:36] the lack of supply and with
[4:53:36] the 10% limit put on by
[4:53:41] the state or 8.3% last year,
[4:53:42] you run into problems because
[4:53:43] this is just not working.
[4:53:47] What would really solve it?
[4:53:48] We really need to get busy and
[4:53:49] build more housing, that's for
[4:53:49] sure.
[4:53:54] And the other thing is some
[4:53:55] people MAY have to go somewhere
[4:53:55] else.
[4:54:00] My own grandson had to he went
[4:54:01] around the country, worked from
[4:54:02] home So he and his wife went
[4:54:06] around the country looking at
[4:54:06] different cities to see where
[4:54:07] they could afford to buy a
[4:54:07] house.
[4:54:11] And they ended up in Richmond,
[4:54:11] Virginia far away from grandma
[4:54:17] which I didn't like but they
[4:54:18] could afford a house there for
[4:54:22] $600,000 That here would have
[4:54:22] been $1.6 million.
[4:54:23] And so I understand completely
[4:54:28] their desire to do that.
[4:54:29] So it's tough.
[4:54:29] It's tough.
[4:54:30] It's a bad situation.
[4:54:35] I can see all sides of it And I
[4:54:35] just feel terrible about people
[4:54:40] who don't understand when they
[4:54:41] move in that they're going to
[4:54:41] have these fees applied to them
[4:54:46] and I don't think that's fair
[4:54:46] either.
[4:54:47] This should be total
[4:54:52] transparency and the people who
[4:54:53] are renting out units should be
[4:54:53] able to charge what it takes
[4:54:54] for them to make ends meet.
[4:54:58] And so we've got this conundrum
[4:54:59] going on and it's difficult
[4:55:04] it's difficult to solve But I
[4:55:04] think solving it by putting on
[4:55:05] heavy restrictions and
[4:55:09] regulations makes it harder for
[4:55:10] the smaller landlords to be
[4:55:11] able to provide housing.
[4:55:15] I do see some good things in
[4:55:16] this that I would approve of
[4:55:17] and I see some others that I
[4:55:20] wouldn't But I want to take
[4:55:21] that offline.
[4:55:22] I'd be happy to meet with my
[4:55:22] colleagues who are in favor of
[4:55:27] this to discuss the details of
[4:55:28] which ones I would favor and
[4:55:29] which ones I don't think will
[4:55:32] work out right.
[4:55:33] But I just feel really bad that
[4:55:34] this has become such a problem.
[4:55:39] It's not fair to the renter and
[4:55:40] it's not fair to the landlord.
[4:55:40] So thank you very much.
[4:55:41] Thank you.
[4:55:46] Council PRESIDENT.
[4:55:46] All right.
[4:55:47] Thank you.
[4:55:48] Council member Campbell will go
[4:55:48] next to council member Camejo
[4:55:49] Thank you Council PRESIDENT And
[4:55:50] thank you to members of
[4:55:51] the public for their input
[4:55:52] today and the District nine
[4:55:53] staff for their work on this.
[4:55:53] I appreciate the opportunity to
[4:55:57] provide this feedback at this
[4:55:58] early period and consider how
[4:55:59] the audience audience works in
[4:55:59] practice.
[4:56:03] The policy proposal here has
[4:56:03] two different segments and I'll
[4:56:04] address them separately.
[4:56:05] There's the cost transparency
[4:56:05] concepts and the price
[4:56:09] regulation aspects.
[4:56:10] And so starting first with
[4:56:11] the cost transparency the idea
[4:56:15] that everyone should know what
[4:56:16] their housing will cost all in
[4:56:16] indisputable in every line item
[4:56:20] as well That's common sense.
[4:56:21] That information is critical to
[4:56:22] families in the city who are
[4:56:23] already stretching every dollar
[4:56:23] they have.
[4:56:27] They're calculating the cost of
[4:56:28] groceries and gas and childcare
[4:56:28] and insurance and utilities and
[4:56:29] health care down to the penny
[4:56:30] at this point and unexpected
[4:56:33] fees can absolutely destabilize
[4:56:34] a household budget.
[4:56:34] We've heard from people talk
[4:56:39] about that destabilization and
[4:56:40] I appreciate the intent of
[4:56:41] trying to address that problem
[4:56:41] and solving that problem.
[4:56:43] Housing should be affordable
[4:56:44] and no one should have to
[4:56:45] choose between those
[4:56:45] fundamentals in order to simply
[4:56:46] exist in San Diego And
[4:56:49] the transparency aspects
[4:56:50] protect that.
[4:56:51] The affordability concept of
[4:56:51] course is fundamentally a
[4:56:52] question of the cost of
[4:56:56] something and the ability for a
[4:56:57] person to obtain it.
[4:56:57] Which brings me to the second
[4:56:58] component which is the pricing
[4:57:02] regulations, the costs can be
[4:57:02] absorbed by a business or
[4:57:03] the financing used to obtain
[4:57:04] the property or some other
[4:57:08] component involved in a
[4:57:08] transaction And the government
[4:57:09] can incentivize the private
[4:57:10] sector to absorb that cost by
[4:57:13] making something that we have
[4:57:14] on our end less expensive or we
[4:57:15] can subsidize it by providing
[4:57:19] funding for it.
[4:57:19] But when we ban collection of a
[4:57:20] particular cost that cost does
[4:57:21] not simply go away.
[4:57:25] It moves, it ships, it still
[4:57:26] exists And in order to support
[4:57:30] a policy that's intended to
[4:57:31] create affordability, I would
[4:57:32] like to know exactly where that
[4:57:32] cost moves and how it impacts
[4:57:37] San Diego as including those
[4:57:38] who currently are covering
[4:57:38] the cost that talked about
[4:57:39] the burden they are facing
[4:57:42] paying for those today but also
[4:57:43] those who are covering
[4:57:43] different costs within
[4:57:48] the ecosystem.
[4:57:49] >> Yes, in a perfect world
[4:57:50] housing providers would simply
[4:57:50] absorb every new cost that's
[4:57:54] imposed on them.
[4:57:55] But that's not how the market
[4:57:56] functions.
[4:57:56] That's not how the homes are
[4:57:57] financed.
[4:57:57] And we have to acknowledge when
[4:58:01] proposing policies and tending
[4:58:01] to support renters that that's
[4:58:02] not how it works.
[4:58:03] And as much as this aims to
[4:58:06] target and prohibit unfair
[4:58:06] business practices, I have
[4:58:07] questions about the affordable
[4:58:08] issues related to affordable
[4:58:12] housing and homes that are
[4:58:12] naturally affordable too.
[4:58:13] And so I'm just going to jump
[4:58:14] into some questions at this
[4:58:18] point for staff on issues of
[4:58:19] addressing affordability,
[4:58:19] The staff report mentions that
[4:58:20] this is modeled off a few other
[4:58:24] jurisdictions was pointed out
[4:58:25] in the presentation as well.
[4:58:25] I'm curious to know the impacts
[4:58:30] and what we've seen in other
[4:58:30] jurisdictions, other cities
[4:58:31] specifically when it comes to
[4:58:32] prohibiting specific fees.
[4:58:35] What have we seen when it's
[4:58:36] when other cities are getting
[4:58:36] rid of fees if they've gotten
[4:58:41] rid of pet fees, pet rent and
[4:58:41] how that impacted base rents as
[4:58:47] a result?
[4:58:48] Thank you for the question,
[4:58:49] Councilmember Campo In my
[4:58:53] research one of the more
[4:58:54] prominent examples of
[4:58:54] the prohibition of pet fees is
[4:58:59] in Colorado research there I
[4:59:05] was provided by the aspca.
[4:59:05] The researchers in my
[4:59:06] presentation didn't go
[4:59:11] specifically to what you were
[4:59:12] alluding to where the cost MAY
[4:59:12] have moved.
[4:59:13] I think that's a bit difficult
[4:59:17] to to track But what I did go
[4:59:17] over is the availability of pet
[4:59:22] friendly units in which there
[4:59:23] was no attributable
[4:59:23] attributable change to
[4:59:29] the availability of those units
[4:59:34] Once the policy was enacted.
[4:59:35] >> Excellent.
[4:59:40] Well one where they enacted it
[4:59:41] was that statewide or was that
[4:59:41] municipalities?
[4:59:42] It was a state of Colorado.
[4:59:46] Okay.
[4:59:58] I would have to find it.
[5:00:03] So on my PowerPoint one of
[5:00:04] the slides says the number of
[5:00:05] available allowed between units
[5:00:08] on a permanent account between
[5:00:09] the summer of 2023 and fall
[5:00:10] 2024 and the Associated bill
[5:00:15] was Colorado House Bill 1068.
[5:00:16] It went into effect in that
[5:00:16] time frame.
[5:00:17] Excellent.
[5:00:17] Okay.
[5:00:20] Thank you for having me for
[5:00:21] having that available.
[5:00:22] So in the time since that's
[5:00:22] been implemented which just a
[5:00:27] few years is there any evidence
[5:00:27] to show that base rents didn't
[5:00:28] fluctuate as a result of
[5:00:33] the cap that was put in
[5:00:34] Colorado housing supply issues?
[5:00:34] What has been the market
[5:00:39] response in Colorado since that
[5:00:40] time that we can look back and
[5:00:41] say putting in those those caps
[5:00:46] and that was a deposit You said
[5:00:47] it was a deposit cap rate and
[5:00:52] rent cap Be the first sorry do
[5:00:52] we what is the economic data
[5:00:57] showing us about lack or growth
[5:00:57] in housing supply as a result
[5:01:03] base rents going up or down?
[5:01:04] What are we seeing there as a
[5:01:05] result of this policy
[5:01:05] specifically I can look into
[5:01:10] that to confirm with you I need
[5:01:11] to touch back base with aspca
[5:01:12] on the data that they were abl
[5:01:15] to provide for me but I don't
[5:01:16] have all the information on
[5:01:16] that.
[5:01:16] Okay.
[5:01:17] All right.
[5:01:17] Thank you.
[5:01:21] On the definition of particular
[5:01:22] fees I'm seeing in the draft
[5:01:23] that the fee does not include
[5:01:23] rent, the definition of fee is
[5:01:27] not include rent late fees
[5:01:28] which I seem to be a late fee
[5:01:33] related to paying rent after
[5:01:34] e due date security deposits
[5:01:35] and utility charges.
[5:01:39] Does the definition of fee
[5:01:40] include things like parking
[5:01:40] replacement fee related to
[5:01:46] broken items appliances
[5:01:46] fixtures in the apartment?
[5:01:47] >> What does that include That?
[5:01:51] Yes, as it were a fee would
[5:01:52] include any charge outside of
[5:01:58] the listed charges But for a
[5:02:03] definition of fee specifically
[5:02:04] just wanted to just clarify
[5:02:04] please later on in
[5:02:05] the ordinance when we do talk
[5:02:09] about the cap we specify
[5:02:09] recurring fees.
[5:02:10] >> Okay.
[5:02:15] Understood.
[5:02:16] I know that we received a
[5:02:16] question raised by Circulate
[5:02:21] San Diego today about current
[5:02:21] law requiring parking fees to
[5:02:22] be unbundled from rent.
[5:02:23] Can City Attorney's office
[5:02:26] clarify if if the fee
[5:02:27] definition as proposed
[5:02:28] conflicts with that state
[5:02:33] regulation?
[5:02:33] >> Good afternoon Hilda Mendoza
[5:02:34] from the City Attorney's office
[5:02:38] that there is state law
[5:02:39] regarding unbundled parking
[5:02:39] that does not apply to the city
[5:02:40] of San Diego.
[5:02:44] However there are municipal
[5:02:44] code provisions that address
[5:02:49] unbundled parking and currently
[5:02:54] as written it does include all
[5:02:55] parking fees If there is a
[5:02:55] desire to exclude that
[5:03:01] unbundled parking that would be
[5:03:02] something that could be added
[5:03:02] to the ordinance.
[5:03:03] Okay.
[5:03:03] Quick question.
[5:03:03] Thank you.
[5:03:06] You said you said there's a
[5:03:07] state law but it doesn't apply
[5:03:07] to San Diego.
[5:03:11] It is by it specifically states
[5:03:11] what counties and jurisdictions
[5:03:12] it applies to and does not
[5:03:17] include the county of San Diego
[5:03:17] .
[5:03:18] >> That's strange.
[5:03:18] Okay.
[5:03:22] Thank you for those answers and
[5:03:23] I appreciate the work that went
[5:03:23] into this.
[5:03:23] Absolutely.
[5:03:24] I do have concerns that
[5:03:28] the price regulations in
[5:03:29] the ordinance could backfire.
[5:03:29] I'm worried that if we
[5:03:33] institute caps in our crystal
[5:03:34] clear on what constitute a fee
[5:03:35] and how they operate
[5:03:39] functionally, how that impacts
[5:03:40] the entire ecosystem,
[5:03:40] the renters who are paying for
[5:03:41] it right now and the renters
[5:03:43] who are not paying for it right
[5:03:44] now.
[5:03:45] What I don't want to see us do
[5:03:45] is create a scenario where
[5:03:50] rents rise to compensate for
[5:03:50] those caps which would hurt
[5:03:51] everyone.
[5:03:51] I mean so it's one of those
[5:03:55] issues where the details really
[5:03:56] matter And if we allow for that
[5:03:57] to happen the problem doesn't
[5:03:57] get solved.
[5:04:00] It's simply change the line
[5:04:01] item that is on an invoice
[5:04:02] while the cost could go up for
[5:04:02] everyone.
[5:04:06] I do want to thank one member
[5:04:07] of the public specifically who
[5:04:08] did show up here to talk in
[5:04:11] support of of the proposal That
[5:04:12] younger gentleman is not in
[5:04:13] the room right now.
[5:04:13] He left a while ago.
[5:04:14] He said that the most
[5:04:17] vulnerable communities that are
[5:04:17] being taken advantage of right
[5:04:18] now need to be educated about
[5:04:19] their rights and given
[5:04:22] the resources to defend
[5:04:22] themselves.
[5:04:23] And he's absolutely right about
[5:04:23] that.
[5:04:24] Policies can be good but
[5:04:27] without a system to inform
[5:04:27] people of their rights it won't
[5:04:28] have nearly the impact that's
[5:04:28] needed.
[5:04:33] Some problems aren't solved
[5:04:33] with a new law.
[5:04:34] They're solved with educating
[5:04:34] people to stand up for
[5:04:38] themselves and their neighbors
[5:04:38] and giving them the tools to
[5:04:39] defend their rights which is a
[5:04:40] more fundamental way to prevent
[5:04:44] exploitation and gouging.
[5:04:44] No one wants exploitation and
[5:04:45] price gouging and I think that
[5:04:46] the transparency and components
[5:04:49] do a lot of good work to
[5:04:50] accomplish that so that renters
[5:04:51] can see what they're going to
[5:04:54] be charged exactly and be able
[5:04:55] to to stand up if something is
[5:04:59] unfair to be able to question
[5:05:00] why something is the way it is
[5:05:00] And the public needs to
[5:05:04] understand also why the price
[5:05:05] regulations are going to
[5:05:05] achieve what they're intended
[5:05:09] to achieve which at this point
[5:05:10] is still unclear And I know
[5:05:10] we're going to have more debate
[5:05:11] about it.
[5:05:13] The public needs to understand
[5:05:14] why the proposed 5% caps are
[5:05:14] appropriate, how particular
[5:05:15] cost recovery bands are
[5:05:18] supposed to work without
[5:05:19] driving up prices for everyone
[5:05:20] And fundamentally where that
[5:05:24] math is grounded in and how it
[5:05:24] works.
[5:05:24] So thank you for putting
[5:05:29] the proposal today and I'll
[5:05:30] have more questions in
[5:05:30] the future.
[5:05:31] Thank you.
[5:05:31] Council PRESIDENT All right.
[5:05:32] Thank you Councilmember Camp
[5:05:32] here.
[5:05:33] We'll go next to Council member
[5:05:33] Whitburn.
[5:05:34] Thank you.
[5:05:35] Council PRESIDENT Thank you MR.
[5:05:38] Wynn for presenting this item.
[5:05:39] A follow up question about
[5:05:39] the piece of this regarding
[5:05:42] caps that would cap fees at 5%
[5:05:43] of the monthly rent and what
[5:05:47] fees would be included within
[5:05:48] that cap.
[5:05:48] So am I understanding that at
[5:05:52] this point parking fees would
[5:05:57] be included within the cap?
[5:05:57] That's correct.
[5:05:58] So the way that we crafted that
[5:06:02] portion of the ordinance was to
[5:06:02] specifically address repeated
[5:06:07] or recurring fees.
[5:06:07] So anything that is associated
[5:06:08] with one time maintenance such
[5:06:12] as a repair would not be
[5:06:13] captured in the 5% cap but
[5:06:14] parking would be okay.
[5:06:14] Thank you.
[5:06:17] And then what about utilities?
[5:06:21] Would you So like if a landlord
[5:06:22] bills utilities or you know
[5:06:22] pays the utilities for
[5:06:26] the whole building that bills
[5:06:27] tenants individually are those
[5:06:32] fees is capped within the 5% or
[5:06:33] not?
[5:06:36] >> No Councilmember we
[5:06:37] specifically defined our fees
[5:06:38] to exclude utility charges
[5:06:38] okay.
[5:06:42] Because we have an existing
[5:06:43] utility fee or utility
[5:06:43] ordinance.
[5:06:46] Thank you.
[5:06:46] That's helpful.
[5:06:47] I really appreciate
[5:06:47] the continued attention to
[5:06:52] the high cost of living and
[5:06:53] want to recognize the work that
[5:06:56] council members Ella Rivera and
[5:06:56] Foster and their staffs have
[5:06:57] put into this.
[5:07:00] And thank you to you for
[5:07:01] bringing this to the City
[5:07:02] Council to get some additional
[5:07:02] feedback.
[5:07:05] The biggest part of the cost of
[5:07:06] living is the cost of housing
[5:07:09] and it is important to examine
[5:07:10] ways to make Sandiego more
[5:07:11] affordable for people who are
[5:07:11] struggling.
[5:07:15] I like to focus on
[5:07:15] transparency.
[5:07:20] Renters do have a right to know
[5:07:20] the fees upfront.
[5:07:21] There should be no unexpected
[5:07:21] fees that prospective renters
[5:07:25] discover late in the process.
[5:07:26] I think requiring
[5:07:26] the itemization of fees on
[5:07:29] website listings makes great
[5:07:30] sense As far as broader
[5:07:35] advertising goes, I would
[5:07:35] support making that apply to
[5:07:36] advertising where there is
[5:07:39] enough space to do that I could
[5:07:40] envision difficulties listing
[5:07:41] fees on a social media ad for
[5:07:45] example so I would take that
[5:07:45] into consideration.
[5:07:49] The most important thing that
[5:07:50] the City Council could do to
[5:07:54] make housing more affordable is
[5:07:55] to make rents more affordable.
[5:07:58] And how could we do that?
[5:07:59] We could make rents more
[5:08:00] affordable by incentivizing
[5:08:03] the construction of more
[5:08:04] housing.
[5:08:04] When you build more housing,
[5:08:08] when you increase the supply
[5:08:09] there is more competition to
[5:08:10] attract tenants And that is
[5:08:10] what we have been seeing in
[5:08:14] the last few years.
[5:08:14] We have seen significantly more
[5:08:15] home construction in the last
[5:08:18] few years, particularly
[5:08:19] apartment construction.
[5:08:20] And as more and more apartments
[5:08:24] have come online we have seen
[5:08:24] more vacancies And as
[5:08:25] competition for tenants heats
[5:08:28] up, rents have been stabilizing
[5:08:29] and in some cases declining a
[5:08:33] bit.
[5:08:34] Kpbs wrote a story about this
[5:08:36] on MARCH 27th of this year.
[5:08:37] Three months ago it was
[5:08:38] headlined San Diego Rents
[5:08:41] Declined more than 19 of
[5:08:42] the nation's top 20 markets
[5:08:46] following a surge in supply.
[5:08:46] I want San Diego to keep moving
[5:08:47] in that direction.
[5:08:51] I want rents to become more and
[5:08:51] more affordable.
[5:08:52] We should keep building more
[5:08:52] housing.
[5:08:56] I want any additional fees to
[5:08:56] be fully transparent and be
[5:09:00] fully transparent before
[5:09:01] somebody pays hard earned
[5:09:02] dollars just to apply for an
[5:09:05] apartment.
[5:09:06] Cut me in for that.
[5:09:07] But what I don't want to see is
[5:09:10] fees that are currently spelled
[5:09:11] out transparently just getting
[5:09:12] baked into the rent causing
[5:09:15] rents to go up.
[5:09:16] If fees get baked into the rent
[5:09:20] there are three consequences to
[5:09:20] that that I would really hate
[5:09:21] to see.
[5:09:24] First if fees get baked into
[5:09:25] the rent the rent goes up.
[5:09:30] The rent is too high already.
[5:09:30] It needs to go down not up.
[5:09:34] Second, if fees get baked into
[5:09:35] the rent it's actually less
[5:09:35] transparent.
[5:09:39] You're paying higher rent and
[5:09:40] you're not seeing the fees that
[5:09:40] are baked into that.
[5:09:44] And third, if he's get baked
[5:09:48] into the rent then everybody is
[5:09:48] paying for that service
[5:09:49] regardless of whether they use
[5:09:52] that service.
[5:09:53] For example, supposing your
[5:10:01] apartment rent is $2,500, about
[5:10:02] 5% of your rent is $125.
[5:10:06] But parking in a downtown
[5:10:07] apartment building can easily
[5:10:08] cost $200 a month.
[5:10:11] Trust me, I know I worry that
[5:10:15] those parking fees will cease
[5:10:16] to be charged separately.
[5:10:16] They'll get baked into
[5:10:17] the rent.
[5:10:17] Rents will go up.
[5:10:21] It'll say, you know, rent is
[5:10:22] whatever parking included that
[5:10:23] will just get baked into
[5:10:26] the rent that way And suddenly
[5:10:26] you will have a situation in
[5:10:30] which people who don't own a
[5:10:31] car are paying higher rents
[5:10:35] that effectively subsidized
[5:10:36] the rents of people who do own
[5:10:36] cars.
[5:10:37] That would be a significant
[5:10:40] unintended consequence of this
[5:10:41] and one that isn't very climate
[5:10:42] friendly and I don't think
[5:10:45] anybody is looking to do.
[5:10:46] But I could totally see that
[5:10:50] happening if parking is
[5:10:51] included in that 5% cap.
[5:10:55] So I would agree that we should
[5:10:55] ensure that fees are
[5:10:56] transparent and are transparent
[5:11:00] right upfront and as long as
[5:11:00] fees are transparent upfront I
[5:11:04] would be cautious about
[5:11:05] creating a situation where fees
[5:11:05] are supposedly eliminated.
[5:11:09] But in fact are just baked into
[5:11:10] the rent that's less
[5:11:10] transparent.
[5:11:14] It raises rents and it causes
[5:11:15] renters who don't use a service
[5:11:15] to subsidize those who do.
[5:11:19] So in summary I support
[5:11:20] the elements of this proposal
[5:11:20] that increase transparency.
[5:11:24] I urge caution about doing
[5:11:25] anything that would result in
[5:11:25] higher rents.
[5:11:28] Rents are declining right now.
[5:11:29] That is far and away the best
[5:11:29] way to make housing more
[5:11:30] affordable.
[5:11:33] Let's keep doing that and keep
[5:11:34] building more homes.
[5:11:34] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.
[5:11:35] All right.
[5:11:35] Thank you.
[5:11:38] Council member Whitburn Not see
[5:11:39] anybody else in the light.
[5:11:44] I have a few comments of my
[5:11:44] own.
[5:11:45] So first thank you Maya and
[5:11:48] Jeremy for the work.
[5:11:49] And I want to thank
[5:11:50] Councilmember Eli Rivera and
[5:11:53] Councilmember Foster for
[5:11:54] bringing this forward.
[5:11:54] It sounds like there's a lot of
[5:11:55] broad based support on
[5:11:58] the council and I think it was
[5:11:59] very productive as
[5:12:03] Councilmember Foster introduced
[5:12:03] to get input coming out of
[5:12:08] the cost of living committee.
[5:12:09] I want to thank everyone who
[5:12:10] spoke today contributing your
[5:12:12] perspectives.
[5:12:13] There's a lot of positive
[5:12:14] recommendations in this draft
[5:12:14] proposal and some areas that
[5:12:18] need refining as we've heard
[5:12:18] and this is that information
[5:12:22] item are still opportunity to
[5:12:23] examine those changes and build
[5:12:23] a bill to build a broader
[5:12:27] coalition.
[5:12:28] Two areas I want to focus on
[5:12:29] speak to ensuring code changes
[5:12:29] can be operationalized and
[5:12:32] enforced and making sure we're
[5:12:33] not creating any new loopholes
[5:12:34] where tenants could be at risk
[5:12:37] for unintentional exploitation
[5:12:38] and or trap well-meaning
[5:12:38] landlords starting with
[5:12:42] the rental applications
[5:12:42] industry.
[5:12:43] Members mentioned the potential
[5:12:44] for fraudulent or I develop
[5:12:47] background checks.
[5:12:47] Prevent this we could explore a
[5:12:48] central portal for rental
[5:12:51] applications could be done
[5:12:52] through a single fee based
[5:12:52] application and cost
[5:12:53] recoverable from a staffing
[5:12:53] perspective.
[5:12:57] It would reduce costs for
[5:12:57] tenants as well as protect
[5:12:58] landlords.
[5:13:01] I also see that itemizing all
[5:13:02] fees on an advertisement can be
[5:13:06] cumbersome but as we've seen in
[5:13:07] other platforms Zillow,
[5:13:07] Ticketmaster and Airbnb
[5:13:11] customers want the all in cost
[5:13:12] upfront and from there I can
[5:13:13] look at the breakdown of cost
[5:13:15] and make an informed choice
[5:13:16] that they can rely on.
[5:13:17] As we've heard too many people
[5:13:21] are on the very vulnerable
[5:13:21] edges and an unexpected fee
[5:13:25] could push them over the edge.
[5:13:26] And for those that are not on
[5:13:27] the other side of the digital
[5:13:30] divide, I'm sure there's ways
[5:13:31] to be able to achieve those
[5:13:31] same goals.
[5:13:35] Charges like this that will not
[5:13:36] dilute the ultimate goal of
[5:13:36] burdening burdening renters.
[5:13:40] I know my own staff and their
[5:13:40] peers face these challenges on
[5:13:41] the rental market and
[5:13:41] especially a time when
[5:13:44] affordability and careful
[5:13:45] spending are at the top of
[5:13:46] everyone's mind.
[5:13:48] Regarding unintended
[5:13:49] consequences I too am concerned
[5:13:50] with the possible exploitation
[5:13:53] of a cap on total fees and I
[5:13:54] also do not want to see that
[5:13:59] rental landlords are raising
[5:13:59] base rents at higher rates in
[5:14:00] order to account for costs that
[5:14:03] would have been covered by fees
[5:14:03] .
[5:14:04] And this would be for services
[5:14:05] that tenants MAY want and as
[5:14:08] well are willing to pay for it.
[5:14:09] And if the additional cost hits
[5:14:10] that cap the fees might be
[5:14:13] added into base rent or even
[5:14:14] more concerning such services
[5:14:15] MAY no longer be available to a
[5:14:18] tenant.
[5:14:19] I do not think there's a lot of
[5:14:20] change to be put in place in
[5:14:23] this ordinance and therefore
[5:14:23] would like to see these other
[5:14:24] issues addressed when it comes
[5:14:28] back to council as a final
[5:14:28] vote.
[5:14:29] And Councilmember Ella Rivera
[5:14:32] kind of made reference.
[5:14:33] I too am concerned by
[5:14:34] statements that new projects
[5:14:34] pencil by bolstering their
[5:14:38] performance not just on their
[5:14:38] rents or expected rent
[5:14:39] increases but on these fees.
[5:14:42] This is not financially
[5:14:43] prudent, creates perverse
[5:14:47] incentive and is not a defense
[5:14:47] against this ordinance.
[5:14:48] And as stated if we build more
[5:14:52] housing rents MAY stabilize,
[5:14:53] rents MAY even come down and
[5:14:53] landlords MAY be more defensive
[5:14:57] and more protective of these
[5:14:57] fees to counterbalance
[5:15:01] reduction in the overall rental
[5:15:02] marketplace.
[5:15:02] These are some of the tough
[5:15:07] conversations lie for us to
[5:15:07] sift through and find that
[5:15:11] right balance.
[5:15:12] There were good arguments
[5:15:13] raised that might call for
[5:15:13] additional exemptions.
[5:15:16] The military family that is not
[5:15:17] a landlord but just hanging on
[5:15:18] to their family home as they
[5:15:22] get reassigned in other areas.
[5:15:22] The mom and pops that have
[5:15:23] legitimate concerns and with
[5:15:26] the extra paperwork and I hope
[5:15:27] there can be outreach and I
[5:15:27] think I heard it from both
[5:15:30] council members with the goal
[5:15:31] the building a bigger coalition
[5:15:31] and support before this
[5:15:35] ordinance returns.
[5:15:36] I wish government could be more
[5:15:37] surgical so that we could
[5:15:38] accommodate most sides of this
[5:15:38] issue.
[5:15:40] We MAY not get there but it
[5:15:41] should not be for lack of
[5:15:41] trying.
[5:15:44] This is important.
[5:15:45] Let's be very clear This is
[5:15:46] important.
[5:15:46] But let's get this right.
[5:15:49] Thank you again Councilmember
[5:15:50] delivering Council member
[5:15:51] Foster your entire team for
[5:15:54] the work on that.
[5:15:55] And that will end my comments.
[5:15:56] And with that we will return to
[5:15:59] Councilmember Eli Rivera.
[5:16:00] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.
[5:16:00] I just want to thank my
[5:16:01] colleagues for the feedback.
[5:16:04] It's really, really helpful to
[5:16:04] get that today.
[5:16:05] What I've heard is a general
[5:16:08] consensus around
[5:16:09] the transparency components and
[5:16:09] an agreement that people should
[5:16:14] know what they're going to be
[5:16:14] asked to pay and they should
[5:16:15] know that at the beginning of
[5:16:18] their search and before they
[5:16:19] sign a lease not after.
[5:16:23] And it shouldn't be a moving
[5:16:23] target during their their
[5:16:27] tenure in their homes.
[5:16:28] And then the important
[5:16:29] questions that are being asked
[5:16:32] about ensuring that we're we're
[5:16:32] not having an unintended
[5:16:37] consequence of raising folks
[5:16:37] rents who aren't benefiting
[5:16:41] from the services that are are
[5:16:42] being that they could be
[5:16:46] charged a fee for.
[5:16:47] I did want to address give my a
[5:16:51] chance to address a little bit
[5:16:52] of that because I think current
[5:16:55] tenants have a have protections
[5:16:56] on that front although there's
[5:16:57] still some questions to be
[5:16:58] asked So I'll hand it over to
[5:17:00] my right.
[5:17:01] So currently ab 1482 does
[5:17:05] provide that rent cap that's in
[5:17:06] place and allows for an annual
[5:17:10] increase on a tenant's rent.
[5:17:13] Currently it's allowed to go up
[5:17:14] 8.8% and beginning on AUGUST
[5:17:18] 1st of 2026 the allowable
[5:17:18] increase is 8.2%.
[5:17:22] >> Thanks Matt.
[5:17:23] So I think the concern about
[5:17:27] future rents baking in
[5:17:28] everything regardless of
[5:17:29] whether or not someone would be
[5:17:33] using a service or an amenity
[5:17:37] is a is certainly something
[5:17:38] that we want to be thoughtful
[5:17:38] about.
[5:17:39] At the same time we do know
[5:17:42] that there are protections for
[5:17:43] current tenants.
[5:17:43] And what we've seen is that
[5:17:47] the fees are actually being
[5:17:47] used as the workaround to those
[5:17:48] protections.
[5:17:51] And experience that we're
[5:17:52] hearing from renters is a rent
[5:17:57] increase up to the maximum
[5:17:57] allowable under law and new
[5:18:01] fees being pulled out of rent
[5:18:02] to to exceed what that
[5:18:05] allowable rent increase would
[5:18:06] would be.
[5:18:06] And that is what what's
[5:18:07] prompting a lot of a lot of
[5:18:10] this action.
[5:18:11] And sometimes those increases
[5:18:12] can be substantial.
[5:18:15] And often they are often
[5:18:20] coupled with is a choice to
[5:18:21] either enter into a another
[5:18:21] year lease with these new fees
[5:18:25] added on or a month to month
[5:18:30] agreement with a special fee
[5:18:31] for being in a month to month
[5:18:31] lease.
[5:18:35] And so at that point there is
[5:18:35] substantial leverage being
[5:18:39] being wielded against renters.
[5:18:40] They've experienced the full
[5:18:44] rent increase.
[5:18:45] They're being charged in a new
[5:18:45] way for things that they'd
[5:18:49] already been paying for in
[5:18:50] their rent.
[5:18:50] And they're being told that if
[5:18:51] they don't accept those
[5:18:54] conditions for a full year
[5:18:55] they'll be charged even more
[5:19:00] for wanting the flexibility of
[5:19:00] the month to month structure.
[5:19:04] So certainly all the questions
[5:19:05] being raised are really
[5:19:08] important and we will dig into
[5:19:09] those.
[5:19:09] I just wanted to give some
[5:19:10] additional context as to why
[5:19:13] this is is so important to us
[5:19:14] and the way that we're seeing
[5:19:18] these these fees utilized for
[5:19:22] renters.
[5:19:22] And then just just one last
[5:19:27] last note.
[5:19:28] We've got to create more
[5:19:31] housing.
[5:19:32] There's no doubt about that.
[5:19:33] And I think many of
[5:19:36] the advocates actually for this
[5:19:36] that we heard from today have
[5:19:37] been strong proponents of
[5:19:41] building more housing.
[5:19:42] And what I'm wrestling with is
[5:19:45] is kind of untangling
[5:19:46] the concerns about this
[5:19:51] particular policy or component
[5:19:52] of this policy being the thing
[5:19:56] that leads to less production.
[5:19:57] When we've heard the same thing
[5:19:57] time and time again.
[5:20:00] The Tenant Protection ordinance
[5:20:01] of a few years ago we were told
[5:20:02] was going to stunt development
[5:20:05] And we've seen how much housing
[5:20:06] has been built since that time.
[5:20:10] That isn't to say that there
[5:20:10] couldn't potentially be a straw
[5:20:11] that breaks the camel's back.
[5:20:14] But there is a certain
[5:20:15] component of of hearing
[5:20:19] the same thing over and over
[5:20:24] again tomorrow because of
[5:20:25] the actions of this council.
[5:20:26] Thousands of workers are going
[5:20:26] to get a pay raise from
[5:20:29] the hospitality industry.
[5:20:30] And I think we should be proud
[5:20:31] of that.
[5:20:35] And we should want to keep them
[5:20:35] to keep as many of those
[5:20:36] dollars in their pockets as
[5:20:36] possible.
[5:20:39] And you know, one of the ways
[5:20:40] that we do that I think is is
[5:20:40] by protecting renters.
[5:20:44] And then final final thing here
[5:20:45] is I want to make sure we give
[5:20:48] my a shout out.
[5:20:49] This is her last presentation
[5:20:53] with us on staff as she's going
[5:20:54] to law school.
[5:20:54] And she's done an incredible
[5:20:58] job with us working very
[5:20:59] closely with Jeffrey on this
[5:20:59] and did not want to MISS
[5:21:03] The opportunity to embarrass
[5:21:05] her and make her blush in this
[5:21:10] on this item.
[5:21:11] Uh, sorry Not sorry, Maya.
[5:21:15] With that I'll hand it back to
[5:21:16] you.
[5:21:16] >> Council PRESIDENT.
[5:21:17] All right.
[5:21:17] That was well worth it.
[5:21:18] Councilmember.
[5:21:23] So okay.
[5:21:24] I don't see anybody else in
[5:21:28] the light again.
[5:21:28] This was an information item.
[5:21:31] No motion is required and so we
[5:21:36] will close item 330.
[5:21:36] Okay.
[5:21:37] We have one more item for
[5:21:38] the day.
[5:21:42] Clerk please introduce item
[5:21:46] s505 items 5a5 is an ordinance
[5:21:46] amending the enforcement
[5:21:47] authority under the city of San
[5:21:50] Diego's living wage Prevailing
[5:21:51] wage and minimum wage
[5:21:51] ordinances.
[5:21:51] All right.
[5:21:56] Thank you Deputy Clerk.
[5:21:57] At the risk of stealing their
[5:21:59] thunder, this is an you could
[5:22:00] argue is an implementation of
[5:22:05] an action we took during budget
[5:22:06] talking about moving compliance
[5:22:10] into the city attorney's office
[5:22:10] And this will create
[5:22:13] enforcement authority by
[5:22:18] the city attorney's office.
[5:22:19] >> So now that you're settled
[5:22:19] in, introduce yourselves for
[5:22:24] the record and let us know how
[5:22:24] much time you need.
[5:22:25] Assistant City Attorney Jim
[5:22:27] McNeil With me is Deputy City
[5:22:28] Attorney Elena Min.
[5:22:37] Two minutes I guess.
[5:22:37] Good evening now Council
[5:22:38] PRESIDENT, council president
[5:22:42] Pro tem and Council members
[5:22:43] The Office of City Attorney is
[5:22:43] requesting City Council adopt
[5:22:46] this ordinance amending several
[5:22:47] municipal code ordinances
[5:22:47] affecting wages including
[5:22:51] the Living Wage Ordinance, air
[5:22:52] traffic control worker minimum
[5:22:53] wage ordinance, the earned sick
[5:22:53] leave and minimum wage
[5:22:56] ordinance, the Hospitality
[5:22:57] minimum Wage Ordinance and
[5:22:58] the City of San Diego
[5:23:01] Compliance with state
[5:23:01] Prevailing wage ordinance to
[5:23:02] include the Office of the City
[5:23:03] Attorney as an additional
[5:23:07] enforcement authority as part
[5:23:07] of adopting the fiscal year
[5:23:11] 2027 budget the Council
[5:23:12] included moving the Office of
[5:23:13] Labor Standards and Enforcement
[5:23:17] or lsc to the Office of
[5:23:17] the City Attorney as a means of
[5:23:21] reducing the oil lessees impact
[5:23:21] on the general fund through
[5:23:22] the use of the city Attorney
[5:23:25] grant and penalty funds While
[5:23:26] the Office of the City Attorney
[5:23:26] can file litigation for
[5:23:30] violations referred to it by
[5:23:31] the llc, the current wage
[5:23:32] ordinances limit their
[5:23:35] administrative enforcement to
[5:23:36] the mayor accordingly
[5:23:40] transferring of the office
[5:23:41] the lsc to the office of
[5:23:42] the City Attorney while leaving
[5:23:45] intact its administrative
[5:23:45] enforcement authority requires
[5:23:46] amending those various wage
[5:23:49] ordinances to allow such
[5:23:50] enforcement through the Office
[5:23:51] of the City Attorney.
[5:23:51] That's precisely and only what
[5:23:55] this ordinance with its
[5:23:55] proposed amendments will do.
[5:23:56] The amendments are limited to
[5:24:00] providing for the office of
[5:24:00] the city attorney to have
[5:24:01] the same authority to
[5:24:01] administratively enforce those
[5:24:04] wage ordinances as the mayor.
[5:24:05] We therefore ask that Council
[5:24:06] adopt this ordinance to amend
[5:24:09] the identified wage ordinances
[5:24:10] to include the Office of
[5:24:10] the City Attorney as an
[5:24:11] additional enforcement
[5:24:14] authority.
[5:24:14] We're available to answer any
[5:24:15] of your questions.
[5:24:15] All right.
[5:24:16] Thank you for the presentation
[5:24:18] and thank you for moving
[5:24:19] quickly on this with
[5:24:20] the adoption of the budget.
[5:24:24] With that Deputy clerk, please
[5:24:24] proceed with public comments.
[5:24:28] But this item received one
[5:24:28] comment in opposition via our e
[5:24:32] comment form which has been
[5:24:33] distributed to the Council.
[5:24:34] We will begin with in person
[5:24:36] comment allegedly order it
[5:24:37] please come forward.
[5:24:37] You'll have two minutes to
[5:24:46] speak.
[5:24:51] >> So anyhow I was wondering if
[5:24:52] we could call sd Junior because
[5:24:53] the gasoline you guys keep
[5:24:53] pouring out on the people is
[5:24:56] just brilliant sense and I
[5:24:57] don't know if they can do
[5:24:58] something about that but Shawn
[5:24:58] what are you talking about?
[5:25:01] The rest of us trying to get
[5:25:01] by.
[5:25:02] Why are you acting like you're
[5:25:02] trying to get by?
[5:25:06] That's not fair to the people
[5:25:06] that are trying to get by
[5:25:07] because you I don't know if you
[5:25:10] got a frog in your pocket but
[5:25:11] the way that you that's totally
[5:25:12] gaslighting the people that are
[5:25:16] actually trying to make ends
[5:25:17] meet not sitting up on a dias
[5:25:17] with an electric by most people
[5:25:21] would love to have an electric
[5:25:21] bike like you got.
[5:25:22] They couldn't even afford that
[5:25:22] kind of stuff.
[5:25:25] I mean they can't even afford
[5:25:26] to eat And you guys are up here
[5:25:27] talking about prevailing wages
[5:25:30] and a living wage.
[5:25:31] Who are you to be determining
[5:25:31] that?
[5:25:35] I mean again until you guys are
[5:25:36] putting in setting your wage at
[5:25:40] minimum wage and seeing what
[5:25:41] it's like trying to get by like
[5:25:45] the rest of us, I don't think
[5:25:46] it's fair for you to be even
[5:25:46] talking about this.
[5:25:50] It's a slap in the face to act
[5:25:51] like you have any idea what
[5:25:51] that's like.
[5:25:55] You MAY have known it at point
[5:25:56] in your life but I don't feel
[5:25:56] like you've taken that with you
[5:26:00] to go Oh hey, you know, I mean
[5:26:01] as you sit here and go
[5:26:01] the people decided to give you
[5:26:05] guys raises every time.
[5:26:05] I mean it's just ridiculous
[5:26:06] the kind of stuff that takes
[5:26:08] place and you know, you don't
[5:26:09] know how to stretch a buck
[5:26:10] because you guys come to us
[5:26:11] time and again for more money
[5:26:14] and then you want to pit
[5:26:15] landlords and tenants against
[5:26:16] each other when you guys are
[5:26:19] making the cost of living go up
[5:26:20] and it's like you sitting there
[5:26:21] going like we're going to go
[5:26:21] after the corporations that are
[5:26:24] screwing you guys And it's like
[5:26:24] That's what you guys are.
[5:26:25] So I mean it's just like so
[5:26:29] hypocrite or cool to sit there
[5:26:29] and act like you guys
[5:26:33] understand and that you are
[5:26:34] equipped to be able to set
[5:26:34] these wages.
[5:26:38] So I mean if yours is going to
[5:26:39] be set high let's be equitable
[5:26:42] either you make yours high or
[5:26:43] ours higher and or yours lower
[5:26:47] but it needs to be the same and
[5:26:48] you need to be doing practicing
[5:26:49] what you preach instead of
[5:26:50] sitting up here on a dice and
[5:26:52] acting like you guys you know
[5:26:56] what it's like to do your time
[5:26:56] .
[5:26:57] We also have a speaker slip
[5:26:58] from Anthony Ralphs However I
[5:26:59] don't see him here so we will
[5:27:01] turn to virtual comment.
[5:27:05] I have started the five minute
[5:27:06] timer and council chambers and
[5:27:07] we'll turn to the virtual queue
[5:27:09] in which there are currently
[5:27:10] three participants requesting
[5:27:15] to speak And begin with Hector.
[5:27:20] Please begin.
[5:27:21] All right this will be cool.
[5:27:24] Hey when the mass rapid
[5:27:24] deportation begins it's going
[5:27:28] to open up a lot of housing
[5:27:29] units and drive the cost of
[5:27:33] labor up.
[5:27:34] You know there'll be less labor
[5:27:35] guys working so guys will get
[5:27:39] out a pay raise to find them.
[5:27:39] So when you guys get involved
[5:27:43] in this mass deportation it's
[5:27:44] going to actually increase
[5:27:48] wages because produce less guys
[5:27:48] looking for jobs so they'll
[5:27:52] have to pay us more So it's
[5:27:53] also the temporary legal status
[5:27:56] has been removed from over a
[5:27:57] million people in America and
[5:27:58] that means a lot of people in
[5:28:01] San Diego County have lost
[5:28:02] their temporary legal status
[5:28:06] status even if they've lived
[5:28:07] there for 15 years.
[5:28:11] They got to go.
[5:28:12] If they're not American
[5:28:12] citizens, they got to go now
[5:28:17] Trump is a rap rap Beat it up.
[5:28:17] This is just one angle so you
[5:28:21] guys get to keep talking about
[5:28:22] how to build more housing If
[5:28:22] there's less people living in
[5:28:26] housing it's going to open up
[5:28:26] more housing for like American
[5:28:27] citizens.
[5:28:31] So that would be a great angle
[5:28:31] And then you mention it But
[5:28:32] that's what's really going on
[5:28:35] here man.
[5:28:36] All these illegal guys are
[5:28:37] taking up the low rental
[5:28:37] prices.
[5:28:40] Even the high rental places.
[5:28:41] You know they buy houses too
[5:28:45] and stuff But like the Chinese
[5:28:46] guys are buying houses driving
[5:28:46] up the cost and they're just
[5:28:50] they're scamming the system
[5:28:55] when they're pregnant baby
[5:28:55] factories getting citizens
[5:28:56] they're the ones are scamming
[5:29:00] right in the open.
[5:29:01] So go after those guys and
[5:29:05] anybody on the city payroll
[5:29:06] that has temporary legal
[5:29:10] stature status has to go No
[5:29:10] paying those guys any more
[5:29:11] paychecks.
[5:29:15] There's got to be like
[5:29:15] the hundreds of them.
[5:29:16] How many are there talk
[5:29:19] the city attorney how many
[5:29:20] people with temporary legal
[5:29:24] status work for the city that
[5:29:24] that would be a good question.
[5:29:25] >> Thank you.
[5:29:26] That does conclude your time.
[5:29:33] Blaire for Beekman please begin
[5:29:34] by Blair Big Ben thanks a lot
[5:29:37] for this item Giving City
[5:29:41] Attorney a bit more power for
[5:29:42] an issue like this is
[5:29:42] important.
[5:29:46] Thank you.
[5:29:47] I'm really interested how
[5:29:47] the city of San Diego can be
[5:29:51] working towards a future of
[5:29:52] some sort of an Office of
[5:29:56] Immigration And I think these
[5:29:57] items living wage, prevailing
[5:30:01] wage, minimum wage ordinances
[5:30:06] and dres issues of child
[5:30:06] trafficking and all be really
[5:30:10] important concepts in
[5:30:10] the future of an Office of
[5:30:15] Immigration in San Diego San
[5:30:15] Jose has one They started one a
[5:30:16] few years ago and it's an
[5:30:19] interesting concept that I know
[5:30:20] you guys have talked about but
[5:30:21] you don't want to further
[5:30:24] develop and I think we really
[5:30:25] should be.
[5:30:26] I think it can really address a
[5:30:29] previous previous public
[5:30:30] commenters comments that I
[5:30:31] think he's living in a bit of a
[5:30:34] fantasy world If he thinks that
[5:30:34] we're going to just
[5:30:38] continuously be deporting
[5:30:39] people I don't think that's our
[5:30:40] American future.
[5:30:42] I think this is a one time two
[5:30:43] year shot for Trump that we're
[5:30:44] already, you know, easing off
[5:30:47] of and that we are going to be
[5:30:48] using our hope more because we
[5:30:52] are going to be developing more
[5:30:52] clear policies I think that can
[5:30:53] be everyone can relate to with
[5:30:57] ideas like a piece of
[5:30:58] immigration that we can talk
[5:31:02] with and that can address drug
[5:31:02] concerns, that can address, you
[5:31:10] know, worker rights concerns.
[5:31:10] Good luck in those sort of
[5:31:10] efforts to consider that way of
[5:31:12] thinking as opposed to just
[5:31:12] everyone's illegal or not.
[5:31:17] It's a lot more shaded than
[5:31:17] this.
[5:31:18] So black and white I think good
[5:31:18] luck how we understand that and
[5:31:21] work that together better in
[5:31:22] the future and come up with
[5:31:23] really good immigration
[5:31:26] policies and to conclude I
[5:31:27] think in in the Brown Act
[5:31:31] process if you had an item at
[5:31:32] the committee or council
[5:31:32] meeting before you can remove
[5:31:36] it and not have people comment
[5:31:37] but eventually that does
[5:31:37] conclude your time.
[5:31:38] >> Thank you.
[5:31:41] Our next speaker is a caller
[5:31:42] with the last four digits 8700
[5:31:52] Please begin Joy okay first of
[5:31:55] all I'll be on point and then I
[5:31:56] want to add a couple of things.
[5:31:56] Yes.
[5:32:00] To this ordinance adjustment
[5:32:04] and I support that.
[5:32:05] I wish I could say this exactly
[5:32:09] precisely right.
[5:32:10] The only question I need and
[5:32:11] it's probably answered in
[5:32:11] the backup is that I have
[5:32:14] clarity on the authority of
[5:32:15] the mayor versus the office of
[5:32:15] the attorney.
[5:32:20] It sounded like it was a
[5:32:20] matching authority equal but I
[5:32:25] am not sure on that But I
[5:32:25] approve this item full
[5:32:29] heartedly so a couple of
[5:32:29] things.
[5:32:30] No, I got to get this off my
[5:32:30] chest.
[5:32:34] Got to get all of you make an
[5:32:38] amazing salary in my opinion I
[5:32:42] think it's $180,000 a month.
[5:32:43] That's a lot of money
[5:32:47] especially when you're you
[5:32:47] understand what underserved
[5:32:52] communities are doing are where
[5:32:52] where they're living and what
[5:32:56] they're what they're facing.
[5:33:01] I want a more together
[5:33:01] professional look of our
[5:33:07] council Where is money?
[5:33:07] Well, for Councilmember Van
[5:33:10] Wilpert, MR. Councilmember for
[5:33:11] the third you were absent a lot
[5:33:12] during budget and you've been
[5:33:16] absent a lot And I don't get it
[5:33:20] And it doesn't feel good And I
[5:33:20] know you're following protocols
[5:33:24] but I want you to step up.
[5:33:25] >> I don't want quorum issues.
[5:33:29] I don't want the budget meeting
[5:33:30] start I want you to show us
[5:33:35] your noble engaging what you
[5:33:40] the people voted you for for
[5:33:40] the city of Sandy.
[5:33:41] Oh, and we deserve that And
[5:33:44] please do that for us.
[5:33:45] And I love you.
[5:33:46] I love you Now I like the idea
[5:33:49] of the immigration office
[5:33:50] because I don't understand
[5:33:51] what's happening to our
[5:33:55] refugees and immigrants and how
[5:33:56] they're going to get home.
[5:33:56] Thank you.
[5:33:57] That does conclude your time.
[5:33:58] Thank you.
[5:33:59] Our next speaker is Natalie
[5:33:59] Rashi.
[5:34:05] Please begin.
[5:34:05] >> Hi.
[5:34:06] Um I stated this I think this
[5:34:10] week or last week we're going
[5:34:11] to have to start being really
[5:34:15] innovative in how we move
[5:34:15] forward.
[5:34:16] I've been doing some deep dives
[5:34:17] into A.I. And how that MAY or
[5:34:19] MAY not affect our community.
[5:34:24] It's moving faster than I think
[5:34:25] people are really wanting to be
[5:34:30] aware of and everything that we
[5:34:35] do as a collective I think has
[5:34:39] to be intentional and strategic
[5:34:40] .
[5:34:40] There are big A.I. Companies,
[5:34:46] big people that are I would say
[5:34:50] sociopaths that are trying to
[5:34:51] do things and run this country
[5:34:52] your way that I'm not choosing
[5:34:55] that I want to participate in
[5:34:56] these the wages I don't even
[5:34:57] know what that means anymore
[5:35:01] And that's why I've been really
[5:35:02] focused on building community
[5:35:06] and building business because
[5:35:07] if this is going to go the way
[5:35:08] that some of these people these
[5:35:12] techs are trying to make it go
[5:35:12] I just read an article
[5:35:13] yesterday in The Voice of San
[5:35:17] Diego.
[5:35:18] They have an ai robot teacher,
[5:35:19] the first one in San Diego.
[5:35:22] That's insane.
[5:35:23] And the look on those kids
[5:35:27] Facebook looked like they were
[5:35:27] scared.
[5:35:32] >> It's a six foot two robot.
[5:35:32] It's strange but that's where
[5:35:38] we're at.
[5:35:39] So I don't know where that
[5:35:39] leads us when it comes to jobs
[5:35:43] At the end of the day.
[5:35:44] But like I said, I think we
[5:35:45] have to get innovative and say
[5:35:49] no when it's time to say no and
[5:35:50] stand up for what you know what
[5:35:54] is human and what is not human
[5:35:54] .
[5:35:54] >> Thanks.
[5:35:55] Thank you.
[5:35:55] That concludes public testimony
[5:35:59] on items 5o5.
[5:35:59] All right.
[5:36:00] Thank you, Deputy Clerk I'll
[5:36:04] turn over my colleagues
[5:36:05] questions.
[5:36:05] Comments Entertain a motion.
[5:36:06] I'm going to start with Council
[5:36:10] PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee and then
[5:36:11] I think Council member Foster
[5:36:12] was next up and then I'm going
[5:36:13] to Councilmember Kimball I'll
[5:36:16] actually defer first to
[5:36:17] Councilmember Foster to start
[5:36:18] this from a budgetary
[5:36:18] perspective.
[5:36:19] Wasn't sure who hit first but
[5:36:25] COUNCILMAN Foster Oh your Thank
[5:36:26] you.
[5:36:26] No worries.
[5:36:26] Thank you.
[5:36:31] Council PRESIDENT And I just
[5:36:32] really want to thank MADAM City
[5:36:33] attorney for the quick work on
[5:36:37] this and also want to thank her
[5:36:38] for identifying for identifying
[5:36:43] this as we were working through
[5:36:43] the budget process.
[5:36:48] I think those are the you know,
[5:36:48] as we are continuing to look at
[5:36:53] the structural deficit and look
[5:36:54] out look at how we continue to
[5:36:55] meet our obligations, I think
[5:36:59] this was an opportunity that
[5:36:59] was brought to the table at
[5:37:00] the right time to where we can
[5:37:05] expand our processes and some
[5:37:11] improvements and have a little
[5:37:12] more flexibility in what we can
[5:37:16] do, what we cannot do now.
[5:37:17] >> So I just want to think that
[5:37:21] also just wanted to make sure
[5:37:22] and Jim, if you could I just
[5:37:27] want to make sure that we
[5:37:28] continue to do our annual
[5:37:33] reports coming before committee
[5:37:34] council as we look at all these
[5:37:39] processes that we have in place
[5:37:40] to make sure we are meeting our
[5:37:45] intended goals that we are
[5:37:46] targeting.
[5:37:46] So just wanted to make sure
[5:37:51] that we can continue to do that
[5:37:51] .
[5:37:52] >> Can you confirm that?
[5:37:52] Yes.
[5:37:52] Yes.
[5:37:53] Councilmember Foster thank you
[5:37:56] for the question.
[5:37:57] >> Yes, that will carry on as
[5:37:58] usual.
[5:37:58] All right.
[5:37:58] Thank you.
[5:38:02] And Jim, thank you for moving
[5:38:03] so quickly with this as this is
[5:38:08] a very important item I would
[5:38:09] say for myself and I think for
[5:38:09] this council.
[5:38:10] And so with that I will move
[5:38:14] staff's recommendation.
[5:38:15] >> All right.
[5:38:15] Thank you, sir.
[5:38:16] So a motion by Councilmember
[5:38:17] Foster to move the recommended
[5:38:18] staff recommendation will go
[5:38:21] now to council PRESIDENT Pro
[5:38:21] Tem Lee and Council PRESIDENT
[5:38:22] And I'll second the motion and
[5:38:27] also share my thanks to City
[5:38:27] Attorney Firmat for really
[5:38:28] bringing forth this
[5:38:28] opportunity.
[5:38:32] And I think this is more than
[5:38:33] just a logistical move that has
[5:38:33] the potential of saving funding
[5:38:38] from a general fund standpoint
[5:38:38] .
[5:38:39] What it really is is is taking
[5:38:40] an office that actually had
[5:38:44] been shifted in the last year
[5:38:45] and a half or so to just being
[5:38:46] the division of labor standards
[5:38:50] under the city treasurer to a
[5:38:51] place where I think we have an
[5:38:51] opportunity to actually think
[5:38:52] about how we do better
[5:38:57] enforcement on this front And I
[5:38:57] think enabling the city
[5:38:58] Attorney's office to actually
[5:39:02] conduct that work to oversee it
[5:39:03] has many advantages And again I
[5:39:04] think we have a lot of thanks
[5:39:04] to the office and city attorney
[5:39:08] for it for bringing this
[5:39:08] forward.
[5:39:09] >> So again with that happy
[5:39:09] commission.
[5:39:10] All right.
[5:39:10] Thank you, sir.
[5:39:11] We have a motion by
[5:39:14] Councilmember Foster in a
[5:39:15] second by council PRESIDENT Pro
[5:39:16] Tem Lee Not see anybody else in
[5:39:16] the lights.
[5:39:19] Clerk Please call the roll.
[5:39:20] >> I have set up the voting
[5:39:20] system.
[5:39:25] Please cast your vote and we
[5:39:31] will need a verbal vote from
[5:39:32] Councilmember Foster.
[5:39:32] I vote yes.
[5:39:38] Thank you.
[5:39:38] The item passes unanimously So
[5:39:39] nothing with the council
[5:39:44] districts five and eight
[5:39:44] absent.
[5:39:45] >> All right.
[5:39:49] Thank you for the good work and
[5:39:50] thank you for the presentation
[5:39:51] and patiently waiting through
[5:39:56] this afternoon's agenda.
[5:39:57] So with that we will now
[5:39:57] adjourn Council to the next
[5:39:58] regularly scheduled council
[5:40:03] meeting on Monday JULY six,
[5:40:04] 2026 at 10 P.M. And as a
[5:40:07] reminder the new changes under
[5:40:08] sb seven seven will be effect