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41 Military equipment outline

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our summary and the goal of

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the presentation is to seek San

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Diego County approval for

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the continued use of military

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style equipment as defined in

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California State Assembly Bill

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41 to outline and explain

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the uses for current equipment

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being utilized by the San Diego

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Police Department and to

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outline the equipment described

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in the State Assembly Bill 41

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currently utilized by

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the department is needed to

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maintain public safety and

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the highest quality of police

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service to all our communities.

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Only.15 percent of the adopted

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fiscal year 2026 Department

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budget is allocated for

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equipment listed in Assembly

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Bill 41.

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This here is a graph

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representing 2.15% of the oc

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budget.

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Budget Comparison.

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The annual budget for military

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equipment costs decreased by

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approximately $8,000.

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Therefore the percentage of

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the annual budget for military

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equipment for 2024 was.16

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percent and in 2025 was 2.15%.

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The number of swat producers

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calls and the use of specialty

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munitions such as pepper and

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ozone fighters increased from

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2024 this year to this 2024 two

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versus 2025 use comparison of

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all of our.

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So our call colleagues.

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And 2024 we had 1911 and 16 and

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so forth on the table here.

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Our purity assists increased

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from 53 and 2024 to 85 and 2025

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>> Our goal the presentation is

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to emphasize that the San Diego

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Police Department does not

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participate in a 1033 program

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for procuring surplus military

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equipment.

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The last piece of equipment

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department received from this

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program was an unmanned robot

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and that was returned in MARCH

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of 2020.

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The items listed in the sd pd

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annual military equipment

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report are all manufactured by

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civilian companies.

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The acquisition and

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implementation of each tool

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stems from incidents where

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lives were lost and an

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important equipment need was

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identified.

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The overall purpose of their

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use is de-escalation standoff

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distance safety and most

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importantly the preservation of

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human life.

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I will go over the City pd swat

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team.

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The majority of the equipment

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described in the symbol will 41

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as utilized exclusively by

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the city pd swat team.

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The mission of the cbt swat

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team is to use training, sound

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tactical planning and equipment

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to bring a safe resolution to

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critical incidents.

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The cpd swat team maintains

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the highest level of

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operational readiness through

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the development of sound

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tactical strategies and

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innovative training programs.

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The cpd swat team is always

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used by the department as a

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de-escalation tool.

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Only certain specific exigent

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circumstances will dictate

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early aggressive tactical

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action.

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A vast majority of all swat

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cards and with a peaceful

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resolution the primary response

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team or security officers as

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365 days a year, 24 hours a day

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coverage in the field.

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The pretty concept was adopted

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by the cpd after the Crandall

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Street tragedy in JUNE of 1981.

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The primary mission is

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emergency citizen and officer

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rescues.

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officers as high as a minimum

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of a team leader and six

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officers on call at all times.

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The srt concept was adopted by

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the cpd after the McDonald's

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restaurant tragedy in JULY of

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The primary mission is hostage

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rescue and complex armed

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barricaded suspect response

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swat sniper team.

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We have two team leaders and 12

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officers fully staffed highly

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trained officers that provide

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overwatch protection at large

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events.

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Snipers also provide a swat

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team a greater standoff,

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distance and observation

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capability at critical

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incidents.

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Swat snipers are assigned to

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large events to protect

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citizens against an attack like

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what occurred at the Las Vegas

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Harvest Festival in OCTOBER of

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The primary goal is to protect

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citizens against a sniper based

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or active shooter type attack

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as dpd swat team compliant with

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a surveillance ordinance.

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Equipment utilized by San Diego

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Police Department and

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exclusively by the cpd swat

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team complies with a

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transparent and reasonable use

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surveillance technology.

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The surveillance ordinance

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adopted by the City of San

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Diego on SEPTEMBER 9th, 2020 to

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>> I'll go over some of our

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equipment.

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The armored rescue vehicles we

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have one two door armored

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rescue vehicle and one four

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door armor rescue vehicle.

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Provides a high level ballistic

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protection for a rescue team

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when dealing with armed

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suspects.

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The armored rescue vehicles are

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not equipped with any fixed

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weapons and are utilized by

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the swat team as a defensive

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tool.

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Ballistic protection during

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citizen and officer rescues

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etc. The four door armored

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rescue vehicle is equipped with

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biochemical radiological or

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nuclear detection equipment and

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a fresh air breathing system.

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This allows officers to safe

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access into a potentially

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hazardous environment to affect

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a citizen or officer rescue.

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And this here is a picture of

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one of our Bearcat armor rescue

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vehicle, The Unmanned Aircraft

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Systems or uars that us systems

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utilized by the department can

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assist at any incident where an

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aerial perspective will be

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beneficial.

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Uars are only used during

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critical incidents and high

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risk operations.

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Authorization from the Chief of

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Police us allows swat officers

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to obtain a view of an area

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without sending an officer to

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an unclear dangerous position

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where a robot has limited or no

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access us are only used by

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officers that have completed

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certification course and have

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attended continuous training

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for safe operation.

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All the us srp inventory can be

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legally purchased by civilians

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Picture of a couple of our us

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equipment The Prime Minister

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rifles Patrol officers carry

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the colt carving Alice's air 15

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rifle.

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Swat officers only had down

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defensive semiautomatic ar 15

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rifles.

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Our swat snipers only have

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the accuracy international

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through a caliber bolt action

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rifle and ammunition is listed

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in a report associated with

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each weapon system and a

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picture of our rifles that we

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have in a department.

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>> Pepper ball launchers.

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The verbal answers are used

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only by swat officers used to

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deploy an extended range air

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ball in response to an

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assaultive or actual resisting

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Swat officers must complete a

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pepper ball certification

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course and requalify with

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the pepper ball equipment

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>> Diversionary device or

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flashbang Flashbang canisters

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are only used by swat officers

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used as an attention getting or

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distraction device.

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When deployed the canister

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emits a loud noise and bright

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light after a 1.5 second delay.

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with at least five feet of open

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space.

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And swat officers must complete

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a certification course and

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requalify with the equipment

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annually.

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40 millimeter launchers

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40 millimeter launchers single

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launchers and mortar launchers

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also exclusively used by swat

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only used to launch 40 million

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sponge rounds or chemical agent

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The 40 millimeter sponge round

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is used only on assaultive

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suspects or suspects active

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resisting with access to a

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The 40 millimeter chemical

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agent fair rounds are used to

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drive a suspect from a

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structure or to prevent a

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suspect from accurately firing

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at a location as citizens or

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officers in an emergency

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Example of our single motel

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launchers.

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Chemical agents.

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Chemical agents are deployed

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exclusively by swat officers.

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Chemical agents are used to

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drag a suspect or suspects from

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a structure location.

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armed suspect from accurately

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Chemical agents can be used on

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open air only with

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the permission of the chief of

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police or his or her designee.

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Delivery methods depend on

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proximity to the target type of

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agent being deployed and size

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of the structure.

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capable of firing at obvious

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beanbag round the back shotguns

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are fixed with a bright orange

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or stalk and foreign for easy

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identification.

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Beanbag shotguns can be

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deployed to impact suspects

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demonstrating assaultive or

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life threatening behavior and

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beanbag shotguns are not

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utilized by the department

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during civil unrest or crowd

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control situations.

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>> Bridging equipment exposed

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to breaching use during crisis

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situations when necessary for

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the swat team to quickly and

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effectively breach a door or a

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wall can be used to defeat a

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fortified door wall or barrier

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and is considered a cutting

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tool.

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Effective explosive bridging

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techniques allow swat officers

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immediate entry into a

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structure with minimal risk to

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victims officers and suspects.

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Only use with a of the swat

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commanding officer and incident

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commander when all safety

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considerations have been

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evaluated.

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Example was used by Las Vegas

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swat officers to defeat door

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fortification while responding

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to the Harvest Music Festival

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Active shooter in 2017.

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I will now go over a couple

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examples of Swat College where

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this equipment was used on

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OCTOBER 11 and OCTOBER 26th,

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2025 Eastern Division officers

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received a radio call of a

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subject involved in a prior

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domestic violence radio call

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who potentially pointing a

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rifle at a hotel staff.

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Shortly after patrollers

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arrived a quality swat response

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was called when swat officers

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arrived on scene.

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The relief patrol officers who

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were set up inside the hotel

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and on the outer perimeter

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outside the hotel, the armored

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rescue vehicle and Bearcat was

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deployed on the outer perimeter

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near the hotel room window.

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The subject to provide armor

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for swat officers.

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Swat quickly established a

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contact team in the hallway

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outside the hotel room where

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the suspect was located.

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So I was given the mission to

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continue negotiate

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the emergency negotiations team

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into arrived and made numerous

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attempts to contact

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the suspect.

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Meanwhile, swat officers

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deployed to fast rank devices

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in front of the suspect's hotel

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room door to grab his

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attention.

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So officers on the outer

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perimeter deployed chemical

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agent fair rounds into

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the window of the hotel room by

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offering 40mm launchers and

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three swat officers.

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Later the 24 to 30 b chemical

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agent battle grenade underneath

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the suspect's hotel room door.

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During swat operations cpd unit

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provided overwatch operations

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via a drone for the duration of

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the incident.

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A second volley of chemical

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agent terror rounds was

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deployed into the room.

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Following the additional volley

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of fair rounds into

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successfully convinced

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the suspect to exit the hotel

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room.

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Enter is what you use

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the successfully took a suspect

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to custody without further

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incident.

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A second example was a car.

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It was also a 411 On AUGUST

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16th, 2025 senior police

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officers responded to a mental

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case by call where the subject

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attempted to stab his family

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members with a machete.

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Swat officers arrived on scene

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and replaced patrol officers on

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the perimeter of the Target

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residence with swat personnel.

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The armored rescue vehicle

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Bearcat was deployed to

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the front of the residence to

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provide armor for swat

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officers.

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U.S. Maintain drone overwatch

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for the duration of

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the incident.

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The subject partially exited

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the residence multiple times.

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The subject was holding a

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propane tank and attempted to

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lay himself on fire.

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The subject was holding a knife

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and would throw objects at

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units.

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Swat units impact the subject

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with a 40 40mm Film Baton

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Projectiles.

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Shortly after the subject

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exited the structure and threw

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out as officers the subject

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made multiple statements that

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he wants to suicide by cop.

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Swat officers deployed chemical

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agent for rounds of 40

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millimeter launcher into

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the residence which had no

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effect on the subject.

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So officers deployed a second

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volley of chemical agent fire

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around him to the structure.

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Shortly after the subject

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opened the front door of

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the residence lay on

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the stomach and extended his

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hands forward.

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Swat officers advanced forward

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and took the subject into

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custody.

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Swat deployed U.S. Drone assets

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and many trapped robots into

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the residence And the interior

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part to thwart making entry.

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Swat officers then made entry

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to the residence.

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Over a projected commander we

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have for the following year

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there'll be a taco which is a

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compact rugged trek robotic

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platform designed to provide

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immediate situational awareness

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in high risk or confined

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environments.

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Engineered with a low

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propulsion system and robot

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construction, the tactic can be

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safely applied to areas that

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are too dangerous, too small or

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too unstable for personnel.

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In closing the summary goal

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the presentation is presented

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Police Department respectfully

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asks City Council to certify

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the continued use of the safety

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equipment in this presentation.

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Each piece of equipment is

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crucial for the Department's

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ability to maintain public

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safety.

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Thank you.

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We'll open for any questions.

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>> All right.

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Thank you for the presentation.

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Clerk Please proceed with

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public comment.

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Thank you.

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One minute per person We will

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have the timer up on the screen

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for today's meeting.

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Maximilian Schmidt if you can

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please come forward to

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the microphone after that will

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be allegedly our order.

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And Lori Lippman, if you can

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please come forward to

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the other reserved seats at

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the front.

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>> Hi.

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I've tried to think of a

493
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creative idea to help people

494
00:13:40,219 --> 00:13:40,953
with this $48 million worth of

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military equipment when there's

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only really about 40 high risk

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warrants per year.

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And that idea is to use public

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service announcements to help

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people on San Diego streets who

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are dying of drug overdose and

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even committing suicide.

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And just having simple public

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service announcements nothing

505
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too overbearing that say on I

506
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don't know how you'd worded it

507
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basically say like you know

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what since before the time of

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Christ half of society has been

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pagans who've done group

511
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rituals to read people's mind

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and other half hasn't and that

513
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these people have been trying

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to drive these people crazy by

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reading their minds and that

516
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you're not crazy.

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>> Human beings can worship

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the devil and read minds and

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they could help people.

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Thank you Alejandro.

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My apologies.

522
00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,480
Bad habit to just put the timer

523
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in here and then you have

524
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the one up there.

525
00:14:48,554 --> 00:14:48,855
Please go buy the one.

526
00:14:48,855 --> 00:14:49,221
Yeah.

527
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Thank you.

528
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This is interesting that you're

529
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saying necessary for the public

530
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safety.

531
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I think it's more police safety

532
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And I'm wondering you know,

533
00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,760
you're talking about active

534
00:14:57,663 --> 00:14:58,698
shooters.

535
00:14:58,698 --> 00:14:59,432
I mean we had a mosque be shot

536
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up when you guys had, you know,

537
00:15:00,198 --> 00:15:03,798
over two hours of time and

538
00:15:04,170 --> 00:15:04,870
information coming in and yet

539
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:08,470
people died And you know, lpr

540
00:15:10,777 --> 00:15:11,177
was used to basically go on a

541
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goose hunt.

542
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So I'm just wondering it's like

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these things are used against

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00:15:16,249 --> 00:15:16,882
the public and it's concerning

545
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to me to have witnessed an

546
00:15:17,716 --> 00:15:21,316
invasion on our border and to

547
00:15:22,221 --> 00:15:22,889
know how many tools could have

548
00:15:22,889 --> 00:15:23,823
been utilized to stop that.

549
00:15:23,823 --> 00:15:28,230
In fact our we have like every

550
00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:28,928
military in San Diego County

551
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and everybody wanted to say

552
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that our borders were secure

553
00:15:33,833 --> 00:15:34,267
when in fact that's not what

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was happening.

555
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And so it's sad to see that

556
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these these are weaponized

557
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against the public.

558
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It's not being used to protect

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us.

560
00:15:41,307 --> 00:15:44,907
It's being used to protect you

561
00:15:46,312 --> 00:15:46,979
guys while the public has to

562
00:15:46,979 --> 00:15:47,713
pay for these things and yet

563
00:15:47,713 --> 00:15:51,313
they are being used against us.

564
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I just find it extremely

565
00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:54,285
negligent area.

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>> Lori Lipson Good afternoon.

567
00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:04,628
Laura Lippman She her District

568
00:16:23,299 --> 00:16:23,599
three are you kidding me?

569
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Are you really going to use

570
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precious resource of of money

571
00:16:23,927 --> 00:16:24,880
to further militarize

572
00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:24,268
the police mass policing is

573
00:16:24,268 --> 00:16:24,448
mass militarization and is not

574
00:16:24,448 --> 00:16:24,628
safety.

575
00:16:24,628 --> 00:16:24,806
I hope you wake up and stop

576
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politicking and work for

577
00:16:24,964 --> 00:16:25,133
the people.

578
00:16:25,133 --> 00:16:27,870
I'll be back tomorrow About

579
00:16:27,870 --> 00:16:29,870
the Swat Association.

580
00:16:48,131 --> 00:16:50,131
>> Right.

581
00:16:57,426 --> 00:16:57,587
Thank you.

582
00:16:57,587 --> 00:16:57,740
Also at the five minute time

583
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hour I go to those

584
00:16:57,903 --> 00:16:58,540
participating remotely I would

585
00:16:58,540 --> 00:16:58,207
like to note that we did

586
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receive zero comments in favor

587
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and one comment in opposition

588
00:16:58,535 --> 00:16:58,693
to your comment form which have

589
00:16:58,693 --> 00:16:58,853
been distributed to the Council

590
00:16:58,853 --> 00:16:59,800
currently have four speakers

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with their hands raised.

592
00:16:59,173 --> 00:16:59,323
>> Toni if you can please a

593
00:16:59,323 --> 00:17:03,523
meal Yes and hear me Yes please

594
00:17:18,646 --> 00:17:20,646
proceed.

595
00:18:00,713 --> 00:18:00,878
Yes I just wanted to touch upon

596
00:18:00,878 --> 00:18:01,320
the distinction that order me

597
00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:01,189
because I agree with your point

598
00:18:01,189 --> 00:18:01,340
wholeheartedly and I don't

599
00:18:01,340 --> 00:18:01,493
support this of this this

600
00:18:01,493 --> 00:18:01,642
proposal.

601
00:18:01,642 --> 00:18:01,796
i just want to make

602
00:18:01,796 --> 00:18:01,947
the distinction There's a

603
00:18:01,947 --> 00:18:02,105
difference between public

604
00:18:02,105 --> 00:18:02,262
safety versus police safety.

605
00:18:02,262 --> 00:18:02,427
Right.

606
00:18:02,427 --> 00:18:02,594
And I found it very notable

607
00:18:02,594 --> 00:18:02,758
that they were saying they only

608
00:18:02,758 --> 00:18:02,918
use 308 rounds but 308 rounds

609
00:18:02,918 --> 00:18:03,700
If you've ever fired anything

610
00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:03,225
that has a3083 awaits when they

611
00:18:03,225 --> 00:18:03,386
go through houses they don't

612
00:18:03,386 --> 00:18:03,592
they don't absorb through one

613
00:18:03,592 --> 00:18:03,750
piece of drywall.

614
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:03,903
They don't stay in one room.

615
00:18:03,903 --> 00:18:04,510
They affect the house is next

616
00:18:04,510 --> 00:18:04,200
door the neighborhoods next

617
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:04,351
door This is excessive Voting

618
00:18:04,351 --> 00:18:04,505
for this cat is excessive and

619
00:18:04,505 --> 00:18:04,660
then justifying it by saying

620
00:18:04,660 --> 00:18:04,821
that it's a civilian company.

621
00:18:04,821 --> 00:18:04,974
Ibm was a civilian company.

622
00:18:04,974 --> 00:18:05,123
They made punch cards for

623
00:18:05,123 --> 00:18:05,273
the Nazis.

624
00:18:05,273 --> 00:18:05,424
Boeing is a civilian company.

625
00:18:05,424 --> 00:18:05,577
They also make high grade

626
00:18:05,577 --> 00:18:05,731
military weapons along with

627
00:18:05,731 --> 00:18:05,885
planes.

628
00:18:05,885 --> 00:18:06,420
So that's not a justification

629
00:18:06,420 --> 00:18:06,195
And I just want to encourage

630
00:18:06,195 --> 00:18:06,345
everybody that's going to vote

631
00:18:06,345 --> 00:18:06,498
for this to attend to keep

632
00:18:06,498 --> 00:18:06,648
meetings to attend Privacy

633
00:18:06,648 --> 00:18:06,800
Advisory Board meetings I have

634
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:06,952
concluded next is 8700 If you

635
00:18:06,952 --> 00:18:07,990
complete them you Thank you

636
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:07,249
Joy.

637
00:18:07,249 --> 00:18:07,414
It's America.

638
00:18:07,414 --> 00:18:07,580
I'll I'll say this first and

639
00:18:07,580 --> 00:18:09,623
then some additional comments.

640
00:18:09,623 --> 00:18:10,230
Yes to the trust board left Yes

641
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:12,230
to the swat.

642
00:18:14,828 --> 00:18:15,161
Yes to special operations of

643
00:18:15,161 --> 00:18:15,896
the cpd.

644
00:18:15,896 --> 00:18:19,496
Yes to real life time Examples

645
00:18:21,735 --> 00:18:22,401
Yes to robots and so forth and

646
00:18:22,401 --> 00:18:24,801
obedience to police officer

647
00:18:27,708 --> 00:18:28,375
safety So all the backup is

648
00:18:28,375 --> 00:18:29,108
what would you be phenomenal

649
00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:32,708
there into the San Diego Police

650
00:18:33,614 --> 00:18:34,247
Department procedures for

651
00:18:34,247 --> 00:18:36,247
military equipment special

652
00:18:38,452 --> 00:18:39,219
operation It's 103 pages long.

653
00:18:39,219 --> 00:18:42,819
I just quickly went through it.

654
00:18:45,324 --> 00:18:46,260
It's huge These procedures

655
00:18:46,260 --> 00:18:46,593
apply to all members of

656
00:18:46,593 --> 00:18:47,293
the police department.

657
00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:50,893
No of course doing all course

658
00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:52,332
every page of that was the word

659
00:18:52,332 --> 00:18:53,990
draft And I get worried about

660
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:56,990
draft because when they become

661
00:18:57,638 --> 00:18:58,338
final they can change And

662
00:18:58,338 --> 00:18:58,905
sometimes I don't know what's

663
00:18:58,905 --> 00:19:01,905
in the final draft and

664
00:19:03,810 --> 00:19:04,411
the final thing and maybe you

665
00:19:04,411 --> 00:19:05,440
don't have concluded my

666
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:05,412
apologies I'm mean that's

667
00:19:05,412 --> 00:19:06,450
concluded.

668
00:19:06,450 --> 00:19:08,881
Natalie Raskin If you can

669
00:19:08,881 --> 00:19:09,283
please unmute.

670
00:19:09,283 --> 00:19:09,882
All right.

671
00:19:09,882 --> 00:19:12,282
Natalie Rafferty this is

672
00:19:14,321 --> 00:19:15,220
concerning to me in the area of

673
00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:15,856
being homeless before and how

674
00:19:15,856 --> 00:19:20,560
this MAY or MAY not be used

675
00:19:20,294 --> 00:19:21,261
moving forward.

676
00:19:21,261 --> 00:19:25,461
Knowing what I know and what we

677
00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:27,334
MAY be looking at I, I feel

678
00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:28,680
that people are going to start

679
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,668
to get in wrestling with what's

680
00:19:32,806 --> 00:19:33,507
going down in our government.

681
00:19:33,507 --> 00:19:36,507
That's just what I'm feeling.

682
00:19:37,277 --> 00:19:38,145
And the 50 caliber rifle rifles

683
00:19:38,145 --> 00:19:41,745
they shoot through I think it

684
00:19:43,217 --> 00:19:46,217
said a foot of steel.

685
00:19:48,388 --> 00:19:49,189
I don't know how that is

686
00:19:49,189 --> 00:19:52,189
protecting with all this money

687
00:19:54,728 --> 00:19:55,596
protecting its citizens.

688
00:19:55,596 --> 00:19:56,263
Now are they going to be held

689
00:19:56,263 --> 00:19:56,963
to a protocol in the police

690
00:19:56,963 --> 00:19:59,963
using what they're supposed to

691
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:00,868
use with them?

692
00:20:00,868 --> 00:20:01,535
From my research being

693
00:20:01,535 --> 00:20:03,935
accountable when they upload

694
00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:07,474
their data when it was used,

695
00:20:07,474 --> 00:20:08,142
are they going to be audited on

696
00:20:08,142 --> 00:20:11,345
a regular basis and how and

697
00:20:11,345 --> 00:20:12,460
when they used it.

698
00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:12,880
>> Your time has concluded,

699
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,480
Amanda, if you can please And

700
00:20:17,618 --> 00:20:20,618
you there you go again.

701
00:20:24,858 --> 00:20:28,458
Please proceed On I go What

702
00:20:30,598 --> 00:20:31,465
the speaker before me said I'd

703
00:20:31,465 --> 00:20:32,132
also like to thank the people

704
00:20:32,132 --> 00:20:32,833
of San Diego that have been

705
00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:35,833
showing up to meetings and

706
00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:36,937
we've been clear we do not want

707
00:20:36,937 --> 00:20:40,537
a police state in San Diego.

708
00:20:41,609 --> 00:20:42,176
We are one of the safest major

709
00:20:42,176 --> 00:20:42,777
cities in the country.

710
00:20:42,777 --> 00:20:45,777
The only people who are

711
00:20:47,348 --> 00:20:48,150
advocating for increased police

712
00:20:48,150 --> 00:20:48,716
power are the ones who have

713
00:20:48,716 --> 00:20:49,450
spent the last ten years being

714
00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:52,450
verbally terrorized by Fox News

715
00:20:53,187 --> 00:20:53,854
propaganda.

716
00:20:53,854 --> 00:20:54,555
Military members don't want

717
00:20:54,555 --> 00:20:55,121
the constitutional right they

718
00:20:55,121 --> 00:20:57,521
fought for trampled on

719
00:20:59,794 --> 00:21:00,494
Immigrants don't want to use

720
00:21:00,494 --> 00:21:01,228
illegally surveil them and our

721
00:21:01,228 --> 00:21:01,929
black and brown residents don't

722
00:21:01,929 --> 00:21:05,529
want to use the traumatize and

723
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:06,934
extortion for bail Remind you

724
00:21:06,934 --> 00:21:09,837
that pd arrest blacks again for

725
00:21:09,837 --> 00:21:10,471
only resisting arrest nine

726
00:21:10,471 --> 00:21:11,105
times more often and have

727
00:21:11,105 --> 00:21:13,505
violence used against them

728
00:21:15,376 --> 00:21:16,770
seven times more frequently

729
00:21:16,770 --> 00:21:16,944
Last night between 1 A.M. And

730
00:21:16,944 --> 00:21:20,544
145 I was walking by City pd

731
00:21:21,382 --> 00:21:21,949
helicopter not once, not twice,

732
00:21:21,949 --> 00:21:22,682
nine different times.

733
00:21:22,682 --> 00:21:23,184
I live right next to Children's

734
00:21:23,184 --> 00:21:25,184
Hospital with me.

735
00:21:28,656 --> 00:21:29,423
Their time has concluded.

736
00:21:29,423 --> 00:21:30,900
Blair Beakman If you can please

737
00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:30,791
unmute the five minute timer

738
00:21:30,791 --> 00:21:32,460
that also is included here in

739
00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:33,600
council chambers No additional

740
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:33,727
speakers will be taken.

741
00:21:33,727 --> 00:21:34,610
>> Your final speaker please

742
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:34,428
proceed.

743
00:21:34,428 --> 00:21:34,795
All right.

744
00:21:34,795 --> 00:21:36,795
Thank you.

745
00:21:39,634 --> 00:21:40,334
Where Between There was a too

746
00:21:40,334 --> 00:21:41,350
many public speakers a minute

747
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:43,704
30 would have been helpful and

748
00:21:43,704 --> 00:21:44,500
appropriate for an item like

749
00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:44,772
this.

750
00:21:44,772 --> 00:21:48,372
I wanted to comment that you

751
00:21:48,743 --> 00:21:49,544
know, coming out of the era of

752
00:21:49,544 --> 00:21:50,311
911 a continual war this kind

753
00:21:50,311 --> 00:21:50,644
of item was not really on our

754
00:21:50,644 --> 00:21:52,644
agenda.

755
00:21:54,782 --> 00:21:55,383
1520 years ago We learned to

756
00:21:55,383 --> 00:21:56,820
bring it on our agenda.

757
00:21:56,820 --> 00:21:59,820
We've learned to talk more

758
00:21:59,887 --> 00:22:00,555
about accountability and

759
00:22:00,555 --> 00:22:01,255
openness and its importance

760
00:22:01,255 --> 00:22:04,255
Compared to 10 or 15 years ago

761
00:22:05,693 --> 00:22:06,460
we've taken a bit of a break

762
00:22:06,460 --> 00:22:07,194
and how a better talk about

763
00:22:07,194 --> 00:22:07,928
accountability in the last five

764
00:22:07,928 --> 00:22:12,128
years here in San Diego I think

765
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,334
we now understand that it's a

766
00:22:13,334 --> 00:22:14,350
continual learning process that

767
00:22:14,350 --> 00:22:17,635
we have to be considering our

768
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:18,406
accountability and open public

769
00:22:18,406 --> 00:22:19,730
policy.

770
00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:19,774
So for the good efforts that

771
00:22:19,774 --> 00:22:22,774
the police describe with this

772
00:22:24,645 --> 00:22:25,346
item we always have to be

773
00:22:25,346 --> 00:22:26,130
considering what is the future

774
00:22:26,130 --> 00:22:26,714
of better practices for for

775
00:22:26,714 --> 00:22:29,714
swat issues and for technology

776
00:22:30,484 --> 00:22:31,840
issues And we have to learn to

777
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:31,819
speak of the spoken and

778
00:22:31,819 --> 00:22:34,819
unspoken things and things like

779
00:22:36,591 --> 00:22:37,580
are real time issues.

780
00:22:37,580 --> 00:22:37,425
>> Thank you.

781
00:22:37,425 --> 00:22:38,159
Thank you.

782
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:38,593
That does it for public comment

783
00:22:38,593 --> 00:22:40,593
on this item.

784
00:22:41,595 --> 00:22:41,996
All right.

785
00:22:41,996 --> 00:22:42,730
Thank you.

786
00:22:42,730 --> 00:22:43,298
City clerk We'll turn it over

787
00:22:43,298 --> 00:22:43,665
to council members for

788
00:22:43,665 --> 00:22:44,332
questions.

789
00:22:44,332 --> 00:22:45,330
Comments Entertain a motion.

790
00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:47,433
We'll start with Councilmember

791
00:22:48,436 --> 00:22:48,936
Bond.

792
00:22:48,936 --> 00:22:49,637
Walbert Thank you.

793
00:22:49,637 --> 00:22:50,338
Thank you for the presentation

794
00:22:50,338 --> 00:22:53,338
and for everyone who commented

795
00:22:53,975 --> 00:22:54,642
today And the reason this was

796
00:22:54,642 --> 00:22:55,276
direct docketed this year I

797
00:22:55,276 --> 00:22:55,944
didn't go to Public Safety

798
00:22:55,944 --> 00:22:56,511
Committee is because nothing

799
00:22:56,511 --> 00:22:59,511
has changed and no new

800
00:22:59,781 --> 00:23:00,381
equipment was purchased between

801
00:23:00,381 --> 00:23:01,182
last year and this year.

802
00:23:01,182 --> 00:23:04,782
So it's a very similar report.

803
00:23:06,421 --> 00:23:07,870
But I do I do a couple of

804
00:23:07,870 --> 00:23:07,655
questions about some of city

805
00:23:07,655 --> 00:23:09,655
assist versus Code 11.

806
00:23:12,327 --> 00:23:13,270
Can you explain to the public

807
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:13,628
the difference between a Code

808
00:23:13,628 --> 00:23:16,280
11 and a pretty assist?

809
00:23:19,767 --> 00:23:20,168
>> Yes, different security

810
00:23:20,168 --> 00:23:20,902
assistance.

811
00:23:20,902 --> 00:23:21,569
Code 11 is just the name of how

812
00:23:21,569 --> 00:23:24,806
many start ups respond to an

813
00:23:24,806 --> 00:23:25,439
incident If poor to assist or

814
00:23:25,439 --> 00:23:28,439
simply we have The parity

815
00:23:29,811 --> 00:23:30,512
officers are always working 365

816
00:23:30,512 --> 00:23:31,146
24 hour coverage on the field

817
00:23:31,146 --> 00:23:33,546
for patrol officers their

818
00:23:35,820 --> 00:23:35,784
collateral duty is swat So

819
00:23:35,784 --> 00:23:36,384
whenever we need to supplement

820
00:23:36,384 --> 00:23:38,784
patrol officers with any

821
00:23:42,190 --> 00:23:42,957
frequency or any way to call

822
00:23:42,957 --> 00:23:45,957
patrol officers can assist or

823
00:23:49,297 --> 00:23:49,963
respond a call 11 is a

824
00:23:49,963 --> 00:23:50,665
lactation so I call it from

825
00:23:50,665 --> 00:23:53,268
where we deal with our better

826
00:23:53,268 --> 00:23:53,902
on barricade suspects, active

827
00:23:53,902 --> 00:23:54,601
shooters, citizen rescues,

828
00:23:54,601 --> 00:23:57,601
officer rescues and that sort.

829
00:24:00,441 --> 00:24:01,242
So it's a for activation as

830
00:24:01,242 --> 00:24:01,909
opposed to peer to assist is

831
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:02,544
more patrol level where two

832
00:24:02,544 --> 00:24:04,944
calls were petty officers

833
00:24:04,946 --> 00:24:05,680
working patrol can assist and

834
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,147
supplement patrol officers if I

835
00:24:06,147 --> 00:24:06,880
can add to that.

836
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,880
So by design the primary

837
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:12,420
response team it's a collateral

838
00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:13,870
duty.

839
00:24:13,870 --> 00:24:13,754
These are patrol officers in

840
00:24:13,754 --> 00:24:16,754
each and every district that

841
00:24:16,992 --> 00:24:17,725
works out there Every shift it

842
00:24:17,725 --> 00:24:21,325
bridges the gap from a response

843
00:24:22,397 --> 00:24:22,864
that requires specialty skills,

844
00:24:22,864 --> 00:24:23,498
tactical skills.

845
00:24:23,498 --> 00:24:26,498
Now for example, you know,

846
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:29,838
maybe have a mental incident

847
00:24:29,838 --> 00:24:32,838
where a subject is threatening

848
00:24:35,877 --> 00:24:36,344
suicide or threatening harm to

849
00:24:36,344 --> 00:24:37,780
another person.

850
00:24:37,780 --> 00:24:37,746
It doesn't rise to the level of

851
00:24:37,746 --> 00:24:41,482
a full swat call out When we

852
00:24:41,482 --> 00:24:42,150
have a code 11, code 12, it

853
00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:42,850
means the Calvary showing we

854
00:24:42,850 --> 00:24:46,321
have a special Toys r Robotics

855
00:24:46,321 --> 00:24:47,220
or Bearcat or armored vehicle.

856
00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:47,755
We have a lot of other

857
00:24:47,755 --> 00:24:51,355
resources to use in the context

858
00:24:52,627 --> 00:24:53,261
of complete response and that

859
00:24:53,261 --> 00:24:53,695
depends It's dependent on

860
00:24:53,695 --> 00:24:55,695
the situation.

861
00:24:58,834 --> 00:24:59,601
So pretty officers are already

862
00:24:59,601 --> 00:25:00,301
on duty for the most part in

863
00:25:00,301 --> 00:25:00,601
this What have we called them

864
00:25:00,601 --> 00:25:01,690
home?

865
00:25:01,690 --> 00:25:03,690
That is correct.

866
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:04,439
Okay.

867
00:25:04,439 --> 00:25:05,307
Got it.

868
00:25:05,307 --> 00:25:09,507
And can I ask why we're having

869
00:25:10,312 --> 00:25:10,979
more pretty assessed is because

870
00:25:10,979 --> 00:25:11,713
it's being a useful tool or

871
00:25:11,713 --> 00:25:12,347
people are getting more violent

872
00:25:12,347 --> 00:25:14,916
or what do you think is

873
00:25:14,916 --> 00:25:15,750
happening?

874
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:16,451
>> I can't come to why we're

875
00:25:16,451 --> 00:25:17,180
having more peer to assess but

876
00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:19,418
I definitely are being

877
00:25:20,288 --> 00:25:20,989
requested More on the field to

878
00:25:20,989 --> 00:25:23,989
assist patrol officers get to

879
00:25:26,428 --> 00:25:26,728
that also is that mitigate risk

880
00:25:26,728 --> 00:25:27,396
?

881
00:25:27,396 --> 00:25:30,396
Again pro officers are also

882
00:25:32,134 --> 00:25:32,834
swat We they attend multi

883
00:25:32,834 --> 00:25:33,601
stream in addition to the full

884
00:25:33,601 --> 00:25:37,201
time swat team So in a

885
00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:39,775
department that I can say it's

886
00:25:39,775 --> 00:25:40,441
fairly junior in terms of his

887
00:25:40,441 --> 00:25:42,443
years experience it brings a

888
00:25:42,443 --> 00:25:43,440
lot of risk liability as we

889
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:43,345
resolve these incidents.

890
00:25:43,345 --> 00:25:44,179
Okay.

891
00:25:44,179 --> 00:25:44,779
And I also know that a lot of

892
00:25:44,779 --> 00:25:47,179
the equipment that we're

893
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:49,751
talking about today also goes

894
00:25:49,751 --> 00:25:50,218
through review for the Privacy

895
00:25:50,218 --> 00:25:50,852
Advisory Board.

896
00:25:50,852 --> 00:25:51,252
It's drones, attack cats,

897
00:25:51,252 --> 00:25:53,221
everything.

898
00:25:53,221 --> 00:25:53,856
And so those use policies are

899
00:25:53,856 --> 00:25:54,556
online for people to see.

900
00:25:54,556 --> 00:25:55,257
The Privacy Advisory Board has

901
00:25:55,257 --> 00:25:58,857
already advised on the use of

902
00:25:59,227 --> 00:26:00,362
these technologies as well.

903
00:26:00,362 --> 00:26:05,162
You know I got to see drones in

904
00:26:05,934 --> 00:26:06,835
action on a pretty assist that

905
00:26:06,835 --> 00:26:10,238
I was on a ride along for and a

906
00:26:10,238 --> 00:26:10,939
young woman had to be pulled

907
00:26:10,939 --> 00:26:11,673
out of her bedroom window

908
00:26:11,673 --> 00:26:12,374
because an adult naked male and

909
00:26:12,374 --> 00:26:15,843
broken into her living room in

910
00:26:15,843 --> 00:26:16,712
the early hours of the morning

911
00:26:16,712 --> 00:26:17,379
and she was rescued out of her

912
00:26:17,379 --> 00:26:18,113
bedroom window, didn't have

913
00:26:18,113 --> 00:26:21,517
shoes or a shirt so I gave him

914
00:26:21,517 --> 00:26:22,217
a jacket and he was in there

915
00:26:22,217 --> 00:26:24,617
completely wrecking her house

916
00:26:26,355 --> 00:26:26,721
very clearly either on drugs or

917
00:26:26,721 --> 00:26:27,456
something.

918
00:26:27,456 --> 00:26:28,122
And for two hours we sat there

919
00:26:28,122 --> 00:26:31,122
doing call outs and finally

920
00:26:31,459 --> 00:26:32,270
the drone team came in because

921
00:26:32,270 --> 00:26:32,427
they've been able to

922
00:26:32,427 --> 00:26:33,128
de-escalate.

923
00:26:33,128 --> 00:26:33,829
They could actually send it in

924
00:26:33,829 --> 00:26:36,364
once the door was breached to

925
00:26:36,364 --> 00:26:37,132
see where he was in the room.

926
00:26:37,132 --> 00:26:37,733
And I didn't realize that when

927
00:26:37,733 --> 00:26:40,133
you use chemical agents

928
00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:42,237
the poor victim of that crime

929
00:26:42,237 --> 00:26:42,971
and couldn't go back to her

930
00:26:42,971 --> 00:26:45,971
apartment because she'd have to

931
00:26:48,676 --> 00:26:48,968
have it all the chemicals taken

932
00:26:48,968 --> 00:26:49,778
out.

933
00:26:49,778 --> 00:26:50,479
So I just I was very impressed

934
00:26:50,479 --> 00:26:51,146
with the way that it was done

935
00:26:51,146 --> 00:26:52,548
And he was taking them over

936
00:26:52,548 --> 00:26:53,315
the counter in a shower.

937
00:26:53,315 --> 00:26:56,915
But I've also seen incidents at

938
00:26:58,120 --> 00:26:58,820
least one where in the city did

939
00:26:58,820 --> 00:26:59,521
settle a lawsuit for excessive

940
00:26:59,521 --> 00:27:00,289
force on a pretty response And

941
00:27:00,289 --> 00:27:03,792
so I don't want to talk about

942
00:27:03,792 --> 00:27:04,525
that particular case but I do

943
00:27:04,525 --> 00:27:05,194
want to ask does the department

944
00:27:05,194 --> 00:27:07,594
engage in continual training

945
00:27:09,431 --> 00:27:10,990
after every period to your

946
00:27:10,990 --> 00:27:10,799
response or swat response to

947
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:11,400
say what went right went wrong

948
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,569
and how can we do better

949
00:27:13,569 --> 00:27:14,360
the next time?

950
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,360
>> Yes.

951
00:27:19,308 --> 00:27:19,942
So we like my partner explain

952
00:27:19,942 --> 00:27:20,676
we have monthly mandatory

953
00:27:20,676 --> 00:27:24,276
monthly swat training and a lot

954
00:27:24,646 --> 00:27:25,314
of these equipment like we

955
00:27:25,314 --> 00:27:25,981
explain we do annual report

956
00:27:25,981 --> 00:27:26,681
vacation recertification for

957
00:27:26,681 --> 00:27:29,681
all the equipment whether it's

958
00:27:29,685 --> 00:27:30,286
the chemical agents,

959
00:27:30,286 --> 00:27:30,819
the breaching equipment.

960
00:27:30,819 --> 00:27:31,520
So we do have annual

961
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,920
certifications and after every

962
00:27:35,124 --> 00:27:35,824
incident we do a debrief

963
00:27:35,824 --> 00:27:36,524
amongst the team to talk about

964
00:27:36,524 --> 00:27:39,595
what went right or wrong, what

965
00:27:39,595 --> 00:27:40,396
can be done better and what was

966
00:27:40,396 --> 00:27:40,863
one Well so we do debrief every

967
00:27:40,863 --> 00:27:42,863
instead as well.

968
00:27:44,733 --> 00:27:45,434
>> Okay If you need us to push

969
00:27:45,434 --> 00:27:46,101
for more funding for continual

970
00:27:46,101 --> 00:27:49,101
training I think the command

971
00:27:50,473 --> 00:27:51,173
trainings are fantastic You

972
00:27:51,173 --> 00:27:51,874
know participate in one Let us

973
00:27:51,874 --> 00:27:52,575
know if you need help because

974
00:27:52,575 --> 00:27:54,877
you are making life and death

975
00:27:54,877 --> 00:27:55,611
decisions out there And so

976
00:27:55,611 --> 00:27:56,312
the more support we can get you

977
00:27:56,312 --> 00:27:59,515
to do all that hard work that

978
00:27:59,515 --> 00:28:00,182
you're doing I'd be happy to

979
00:28:00,182 --> 00:28:01,830
help with that And for you

980
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:04,487
know, we went over a long

981
00:28:04,487 --> 00:28:05,210
explanation last year about

982
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:05,687
what the Bearcat is.

983
00:28:05,687 --> 00:28:05,987
I'm not going to get into it

984
00:28:05,987 --> 00:28:07,987
again.

985
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:09,792
This is all in public record

986
00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:10,659
But you know the Bearcat if you

987
00:28:10,659 --> 00:28:14,259
haven't seen it, it it is

988
00:28:14,430 --> 00:28:15,131
completely a defensive vehicle.

989
00:28:15,131 --> 00:28:15,798
There's no external ability to

990
00:28:15,798 --> 00:28:18,934
fire from it and it does

991
00:28:18,934 --> 00:28:19,535
protect the public because it's

992
00:28:19,535 --> 00:28:20,202
used in mass shootings.

993
00:28:20,202 --> 00:28:23,202
We actually got the Bearcat

994
00:28:26,342 --> 00:28:27,900
because of the you see drone

995
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:29,111
McDonald's shooting in which

996
00:28:29,111 --> 00:28:29,578
police had no way to approach

997
00:28:29,578 --> 00:28:30,479
the McDonald's.

998
00:28:30,479 --> 00:28:31,800
I mean if you see a picture of

999
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,800
the store front, it just

1000
00:28:34,116 --> 00:28:34,883
riddled with bullet holes.

1001
00:28:34,883 --> 00:28:35,584
22 people were killed, 19 were

1002
00:28:35,584 --> 00:28:38,487
injured And every time police

1003
00:28:38,487 --> 00:28:39,355
went up they were shot at.

1004
00:28:39,355 --> 00:28:42,858
And in 1981 when you talk about

1005
00:28:42,858 --> 00:28:43,559
the Crandall Street tragedy,

1006
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:46,559
that's when police a gentleman

1007
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:48,764
got very gentleman a murderer

1008
00:28:48,764 --> 00:28:52,364
got very mad at his neighbor,

1009
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:53,869
started a physically assaulting

1010
00:28:53,869 --> 00:28:54,537
her over a garden plant in 1981

1011
00:28:54,537 --> 00:28:57,537
And the two police officers

1012
00:28:57,806 --> 00:28:58,574
responded and he shot them both

1013
00:28:58,574 --> 00:28:59,275
in the driveway And every time

1014
00:28:59,275 --> 00:28:59,876
an ambulance tried to come to

1015
00:28:59,876 --> 00:29:00,509
the officers he started

1016
00:29:00,509 --> 00:29:02,909
shooting at the ambulance

1017
00:29:03,111 --> 00:29:03,845
drivers from the window and

1018
00:29:03,845 --> 00:29:04,580
the police officer bled out and

1019
00:29:04,580 --> 00:29:08,180
then he started shooting at his

1020
00:29:08,451 --> 00:29:09,185
neighbors and people walking by

1021
00:29:09,185 --> 00:29:09,885
And so the police couldn't stop

1022
00:29:09,885 --> 00:29:12,885
the active shooter because he

1023
00:29:12,955 --> 00:29:13,623
killed two officers trying to

1024
00:29:13,623 --> 00:29:14,560
get to him And nobody could

1025
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,560
approach that.

1026
00:29:17,159 --> 00:29:17,927
That's what the Bearcat is for

1027
00:29:17,927 --> 00:29:18,628
so that you can't approach an

1028
00:29:18,628 --> 00:29:21,628
active shooter and disarm them

1029
00:29:22,298 --> 00:29:22,632
while not being shot and

1030
00:29:22,632 --> 00:29:23,366
killed.

1031
00:29:23,366 --> 00:29:23,999
And so it's it looks like a

1032
00:29:23,999 --> 00:29:26,669
tank but it is not a tank.

1033
00:29:26,669 --> 00:29:27,470
It took me a lot to learn that

1034
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:27,903
And so I do understand what

1035
00:29:27,903 --> 00:29:28,804
it's for now.

1036
00:29:28,804 --> 00:29:31,640
And so anyway, thank you for

1037
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:32,275
bringing this forward and I'll

1038
00:29:32,275 --> 00:29:35,275
make the motion to approve

1039
00:29:36,412 --> 00:29:36,813
Stache recommendation.

1040
00:29:36,813 --> 00:29:37,480
All right.

1041
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,180
Thank you, Council members.

1042
00:29:38,180 --> 00:29:38,815
So we have a motion by Council

1043
00:29:38,815 --> 00:29:41,815
member Von Wolpert to move

1044
00:29:43,353 --> 00:29:44,200
the staff recommendation and

1045
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,420
council member Campbell will

1046
00:29:48,558 --> 00:29:49,192
second and Council member e

1047
00:29:49,192 --> 00:29:49,858
Lowe Rivera have comments.

1048
00:29:49,858 --> 00:29:50,559
Thank you Council PRESIDENT

1049
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,559
Thank you for the presentation

1050
00:29:53,829 --> 00:29:54,797
here.

1051
00:29:54,797 --> 00:29:58,868
i did have let me start with

1052
00:29:58,868 --> 00:29:59,535
one question The staff report

1053
00:29:59,535 --> 00:30:02,535
references make sure I get

1054
00:30:07,711 --> 00:30:08,411
the language right here.

1055
00:30:08,411 --> 00:30:09,112
New equipment describing

1056
00:30:09,112 --> 00:30:11,512
the updated procedure includes

1057
00:30:12,949 --> 00:30:13,750
drones and pepper ball

1058
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:16,750
launchers So those are new

1059
00:30:17,253 --> 00:30:19,253
equipments.

1060
00:30:22,225 --> 00:30:22,959
It's a newer model of oh come

1061
00:30:22,959 --> 00:30:23,493
in that we already have So we

1062
00:30:23,493 --> 00:30:24,930
already have drones.

1063
00:30:24,930 --> 00:30:24,760
These are just different

1064
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,597
models, newer models that we

1065
00:30:27,597 --> 00:30:28,198
have in our inventory Now same

1066
00:30:28,198 --> 00:30:28,932
thing with our curveball

1067
00:30:28,932 --> 00:30:31,932
launchers we already have those

1068
00:30:32,102 --> 00:30:32,802
launchers is it just different

1069
00:30:32,802 --> 00:30:33,236
models, newer models that are

1070
00:30:33,236 --> 00:30:35,236
more accurate?

1071
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:37,941
>> Okay.

1072
00:30:37,941 --> 00:30:38,274
So there's new equipment

1073
00:30:38,274 --> 00:30:38,541
though.

1074
00:30:38,541 --> 00:30:38,975
Yes.

1075
00:30:38,975 --> 00:30:39,242
New inventory.

1076
00:30:39,242 --> 00:30:40,677
Yes.

1077
00:30:40,677 --> 00:30:41,510
Okay.

1078
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:45,110
One of the things that caught

1079
00:30:45,882 --> 00:30:46,516
my attention was a slight

1080
00:30:46,516 --> 00:30:47,250
difference in language in

1081
00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:47,917
the flash section in comparison

1082
00:30:47,917 --> 00:30:50,917
to the sting ball munitions

1083
00:30:51,187 --> 00:30:51,855
section flash bangs references

1084
00:30:51,855 --> 00:30:54,855
that there's a reference to

1085
00:30:56,392 --> 00:30:57,930
being used in quote some mobile

1086
00:30:57,930 --> 00:30:59,493
field force operations whereas

1087
00:31:01,798 --> 00:31:02,532
sting ball ammunition can be

1088
00:31:02,532 --> 00:31:05,335
used in quote limited instances

1089
00:31:05,335 --> 00:31:05,702
during normal field force

1090
00:31:05,702 --> 00:31:06,403
instances.

1091
00:31:06,403 --> 00:31:09,403
Can you explain the difference

1092
00:31:10,774 --> 00:31:11,307
between some and limited

1093
00:31:11,307 --> 00:31:11,941
instance instances?

1094
00:31:11,941 --> 00:31:12,475
I'm sorry, can you repeat

1095
00:31:12,475 --> 00:31:14,475
the question again?

1096
00:31:15,544 --> 00:31:16,179
Was that Eric repeat

1097
00:31:16,179 --> 00:31:16,479
the question again please.

1098
00:31:16,479 --> 00:31:18,479
Yeah.

1099
00:31:20,116 --> 00:31:21,830
So the flash bangs section let

1100
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:21,518
me just pull it up so I get it

1101
00:31:21,518 --> 00:31:23,518
exactly right.

1102
00:31:24,787 --> 00:31:25,422
But I think I did pull that

1103
00:31:25,422 --> 00:31:27,422
language specifically from

1104
00:31:29,425 --> 00:31:30,393
the report.

1105
00:31:30,393 --> 00:31:34,363
Flash bangs can be used in some

1106
00:31:34,363 --> 00:31:35,310
mobile field force operations

1107
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:35,732
and sting ball munitions And

1108
00:31:35,732 --> 00:31:39,350
that section it says that they

1109
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:39,736
can be used in quote limited

1110
00:31:39,736 --> 00:31:40,202
instances during mobile field

1111
00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:42,202
force instances.

1112
00:31:43,907 --> 00:31:44,607
So there's one section which

1113
00:31:44,607 --> 00:31:47,607
has some another section where

1114
00:31:48,378 --> 00:31:49,112
it says limited instances.

1115
00:31:49,112 --> 00:31:49,746
What's the difference between

1116
00:31:49,746 --> 00:31:50,113
some instances and limited

1117
00:31:50,113 --> 00:31:52,113
instances?

1118
00:31:54,284 --> 00:31:54,851
So the flash bangs are a

1119
00:31:54,851 --> 00:31:55,852
tension game device or

1120
00:31:55,852 --> 00:31:58,252
distraction device during civil

1121
00:32:02,525 --> 00:32:03,293
unrest or protests.

1122
00:32:03,293 --> 00:32:04,600
Ossie spray the four millimeter

1123
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,629
baton rounds per ball and flash

1124
00:32:06,629 --> 00:32:07,230
bangs can be used for their

1125
00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:07,864
approval of the incident

1126
00:32:07,864 --> 00:32:10,264
commander The pepper ball,

1127
00:32:11,601 --> 00:32:12,269
the rubber, the sting those

1128
00:32:12,269 --> 00:32:13,300
require a special assistant

1129
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:15,872
chief of approval to be used

1130
00:32:15,872 --> 00:32:16,506
during civil unrest situations.

1131
00:32:16,506 --> 00:32:18,906
So limited instances means

1132
00:32:20,577 --> 00:32:21,311
there's more specific

1133
00:32:21,311 --> 00:32:21,645
guidelines around when they can

1134
00:32:21,645 --> 00:32:21,912
be used.

1135
00:32:21,912 --> 00:32:22,212
Yes.

1136
00:32:22,212 --> 00:32:24,212
Okay.

1137
00:32:25,615 --> 00:32:26,549
That's what I thought.

1138
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:26,849
I think I brought this up last

1139
00:32:26,849 --> 00:32:27,517
year.

1140
00:32:27,517 --> 00:32:29,886
I continue to have concerns

1141
00:32:29,886 --> 00:32:30,186
about our policies around flash

1142
00:32:30,186 --> 00:32:32,186
bangs.

1143
00:32:34,457 --> 00:32:35,425
This is a technology that's

1144
00:32:35,425 --> 00:32:38,425
been cited in multiple reports

1145
00:32:39,796 --> 00:32:41,796
as causing significant

1146
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:44,434
injuries, maiming or killing

1147
00:32:44,434 --> 00:32:46,434
people.

1148
00:32:48,939 --> 00:32:49,539
I understand that our police

1149
00:32:49,539 --> 00:32:50,173
department needs to have

1150
00:32:50,173 --> 00:32:52,573
the equipment necessary to

1151
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:56,510
deescalate to respond in

1152
00:32:58,815 --> 00:32:59,516
significant crises and to do

1153
00:32:59,516 --> 00:33:00,117
that in a society where there

1154
00:33:00,117 --> 00:33:00,784
are way too many guns on

1155
00:33:00,784 --> 00:33:03,186
the street and way too many

1156
00:33:03,186 --> 00:33:03,587
high powered weapons on

1157
00:33:03,587 --> 00:33:04,187
the street.

1158
00:33:04,187 --> 00:33:04,855
I recognize all of that.

1159
00:33:04,855 --> 00:33:07,855
But because of concerns I've

1160
00:33:08,458 --> 00:33:09,590
raised in the past and that I

1161
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:11,459
continue to have around

1162
00:33:12,629 --> 00:33:13,463
the flashbangs in particular

1163
00:33:13,463 --> 00:33:14,970
around some of the looseness in

1164
00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:14,765
the language there I'll be

1165
00:33:14,765 --> 00:33:17,165
voting no Council PRESIDENT

1166
00:33:18,402 --> 00:33:18,903
Thank you.

1167
00:33:18,903 --> 00:33:19,269
>> All right.

1168
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:19,973
Thank you.

1169
00:33:19,973 --> 00:33:22,839
Council member Eli Rivera Not

1170
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:23,674
see anybody else in the lights.

1171
00:33:23,674 --> 00:33:26,509
We have a motion by council

1172
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:27,243
member Von Wilpert second by

1173
00:33:27,243 --> 00:33:27,945
Council member Campbell to move

1174
00:33:27,945 --> 00:33:30,345
a staff recommendation Before

1175
00:33:30,814 --> 00:33:31,315
we go there, Councilmember

1176
00:33:31,315 --> 00:33:33,315
Foster I'm sorry.

1177
00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:36,520
Yes, Thank you for

1178
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,520
the presentation.

1179
00:33:40,123 --> 00:33:42,523
I mean I appreciate

1180
00:33:44,662 --> 00:33:45,529
the questioning thus far.

1181
00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:49,129
My colleague I believe asked a

1182
00:33:49,767 --> 00:33:50,366
question regarding the Privacy

1183
00:33:50,366 --> 00:33:50,967
Advisory Board and going

1184
00:33:50,967 --> 00:33:52,967
through the surveillance

1185
00:33:54,571 --> 00:33:56,571
technology ordinance.

1186
00:33:59,176 --> 00:33:59,910
I didn't hear a verbal direct

1187
00:33:59,910 --> 00:34:03,510
response to the to the question

1188
00:34:04,214 --> 00:34:04,882
But for the items that are that

1189
00:34:04,882 --> 00:34:05,582
are on here, I guess the new

1190
00:34:05,582 --> 00:34:08,786
new items all of these have

1191
00:34:08,786 --> 00:34:09,352
gone through that process and

1192
00:34:09,352 --> 00:34:11,752
have been approved in

1193
00:34:12,956 --> 00:34:13,323
accordance with the trust

1194
00:34:13,323 --> 00:34:13,890
ordinance.

1195
00:34:13,890 --> 00:34:16,290
Yes, that is correct.

1196
00:34:17,895 --> 00:34:18,595
Okay.

1197
00:34:18,595 --> 00:34:22,195
The other question that I have

1198
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:23,534
is in the staff report it says

1199
00:34:23,534 --> 00:34:24,201
the military equipment use

1200
00:34:24,201 --> 00:34:27,201
procedure must be posted on

1201
00:34:28,339 --> 00:34:29,500
the website at least 30 days

1202
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:29,706
prior to any public meeting

1203
00:34:29,706 --> 00:34:31,706
regarding military equipment.

1204
00:34:32,643 --> 00:34:33,770
How did you guys meet that

1205
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:35,770
requirement?

1206
00:34:37,481 --> 00:34:38,248
I do see the information

1207
00:34:38,248 --> 00:34:41,248
specific for the item on

1208
00:34:42,419 --> 00:34:42,987
the council agenda but I

1209
00:34:42,987 --> 00:34:45,387
believe we post that.

1210
00:34:45,756 --> 00:34:46,423
I want to say typically seven

1211
00:34:46,423 --> 00:34:49,423
days prior to this meeting.

1212
00:34:49,994 --> 00:34:50,895
So how are you guys meeting

1213
00:34:50,895 --> 00:34:51,662
that 30 day require them in in

1214
00:34:51,662 --> 00:34:54,620
accordance with assembly bill

1215
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:02,706
481 We had our committee

1216
00:35:02,706 --> 00:35:06,306
meeting and we just look at

1217
00:35:06,577 --> 00:35:10,177
the staff report here If I

1218
00:35:11,182 --> 00:35:11,682
could just if I could assist

1219
00:35:11,682 --> 00:35:13,682
with that answer.

1220
00:35:15,653 --> 00:35:16,353
>> Councilmember Foster If you

1221
00:35:16,353 --> 00:35:17,540
can if you can announce or

1222
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:19,454
announce yourself what office

1223
00:35:20,624 --> 00:35:21,392
you're with I'm sure.

1224
00:35:21,392 --> 00:35:24,392
I'm Jill Christy, deputy city

1225
00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:25,563
attorney with the city

1226
00:35:25,563 --> 00:35:26,430
attorney's office.

1227
00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:29,834
>> So if I just before you get

1228
00:35:29,834 --> 00:35:30,534
started I guess I just want to

1229
00:35:30,534 --> 00:35:33,838
ask I would assume the police

1230
00:35:33,838 --> 00:35:34,238
department is responsible for

1231
00:35:34,238 --> 00:35:35,205
this action.

1232
00:35:35,205 --> 00:35:35,773
>> I'm a little curious as to

1233
00:35:35,773 --> 00:35:37,773
why you're responding.

1234
00:35:39,644 --> 00:35:40,443
I just have a timeline and I

1235
00:35:40,443 --> 00:35:44,643
wasn't sure if it if you had

1236
00:35:44,782 --> 00:35:45,383
the exact dates So I was going

1237
00:35:45,383 --> 00:35:45,783
to assess but okay.

1238
00:35:45,783 --> 00:35:47,783
No, please.

1239
00:35:48,485 --> 00:35:49,220
I just just curious is there

1240
00:35:49,220 --> 00:35:49,886
the asset owning department and

1241
00:35:49,886 --> 00:35:50,454
the responsible department?

1242
00:35:50,454 --> 00:35:53,454
So I'm just trying to

1243
00:35:53,590 --> 00:35:55,990
understand why you're injecting

1244
00:35:58,229 --> 00:35:58,528
into the conversation at this

1245
00:35:58,528 --> 00:35:58,996
point.

1246
00:35:58,996 --> 00:35:59,797
>> My apologies.

1247
00:35:59,797 --> 00:36:02,165
I'm going to go ahead and have

1248
00:36:02,165 --> 00:36:02,900
staff I'm going to defer to

1249
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,804
staff if you have the dates and

1250
00:36:06,804 --> 00:36:07,972
if you don't I have the date

1251
00:36:07,972 --> 00:36:09,573
Yes, we have the date for

1252
00:36:09,573 --> 00:36:12,573
the committee meeting was held

1253
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:16,947
on JUNE 3rd of 2026.

1254
00:36:16,947 --> 00:36:17,615
Jill Christopher has more

1255
00:36:17,615 --> 00:36:18,316
detailed timeline If you're

1256
00:36:18,316 --> 00:36:19,150
okay with that, she can answer

1257
00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:19,850
that for us.

1258
00:36:19,850 --> 00:36:22,850
So you said your community

1259
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,720
meeting was when it was on JUNE

1260
00:36:28,692 --> 00:36:29,300
3rd, 2026.

1261
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:29,726
Okay.

1262
00:36:29,726 --> 00:36:32,726
So that's a community meeting

1263
00:36:32,997 --> 00:36:36,597
but I believe in the staff

1264
00:36:37,968 --> 00:36:38,636
report it says that

1265
00:36:38,636 --> 00:36:39,337
the equipment use procedure

1266
00:36:39,337 --> 00:36:42,573
must be posted on the website

1267
00:36:42,573 --> 00:36:43,400
at least 30 days prior to any

1268
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:43,841
public meeting.

1269
00:36:43,841 --> 00:36:46,310
So I would assume that if you

1270
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:46,978
had a public meeting on JUNE

1271
00:36:46,978 --> 00:36:50,414
the 3rd that you would have

1272
00:36:50,414 --> 00:36:51,480
also had to posted on your

1273
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:51,749
website 30 days prior to.

1274
00:36:51,749 --> 00:36:54,749
So I'm trying to understand

1275
00:36:55,850 --> 00:36:55,819
your process and how you met

1276
00:36:55,819 --> 00:36:59,419
that requirement as the item is

1277
00:37:00,124 --> 00:37:01,159
before us today.

1278
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:04,195
So I guess you're up now and I

1279
00:37:04,195 --> 00:37:04,562
think you're listening to you.

1280
00:37:04,562 --> 00:37:05,229
>> Yes.

1281
00:37:05,229 --> 00:37:07,229
Good afternoon Councilmember

1282
00:37:09,867 --> 00:37:10,568
Foster If I could just with

1283
00:37:10,568 --> 00:37:13,568
some additional dates to help

1284
00:37:14,138 --> 00:37:14,839
clarify the annual military

1285
00:37:14,839 --> 00:37:17,239
equipment report was actually

1286
00:37:19,277 --> 00:37:22,877
posted on the website on MARCH

1287
00:37:23,514 --> 00:37:26,514
2nd and the updated procedure

1288
00:37:27,418 --> 00:37:28,186
was posted to the website on

1289
00:37:28,186 --> 00:37:31,786
MAY 30th and the 30 days would

1290
00:37:32,757 --> 00:37:33,491
be required prior to the public

1291
00:37:33,491 --> 00:37:36,491
meeting which would be today's

1292
00:37:37,862 --> 00:37:38,229
meeting because it was direct

1293
00:37:38,229 --> 00:37:38,963
docketed.

1294
00:37:38,963 --> 00:37:42,563
Usually we would do that before

1295
00:37:44,469 --> 00:37:46,869
Public Safety Committee meeting

1296
00:37:55,113 --> 00:37:55,814
So I guess I'm a little

1297
00:37:55,814 --> 00:37:58,814
confused because it's the way

1298
00:37:59,484 --> 00:38:00,830
it is and maybe you can clarify

1299
00:38:00,830 --> 00:38:00,752
the Assembly Bill 41 was

1300
00:38:00,752 --> 00:38:03,752
written in the staff report

1301
00:38:04,255 --> 00:38:07,659
says any public meeting so if

1302
00:38:07,659 --> 00:38:11,162
you posted on MAY 30th and then

1303
00:38:11,162 --> 00:38:15,962
you had a meeting on JUNE 3rd I

1304
00:38:16,166 --> 00:38:19,471
don't know if we have met said

1305
00:38:19,471 --> 00:38:21,871
requirement of Assembly Bill

1306
00:38:32,183 --> 00:38:36,321
481 would you agree So I so I

1307
00:38:36,321 --> 00:38:37,210
believe the 30 days would be

1308
00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:37,655
the public hearing concerning

1309
00:38:37,655 --> 00:38:40,550
the military equipment use

1310
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,692
which would be subsection b of

1311
00:38:45,363 --> 00:38:48,363
government code 7071 And I do

1312
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:50,702
recognize that it does say any

1313
00:38:50,702 --> 00:38:51,335
public hearing concerning

1314
00:38:51,335 --> 00:38:53,735
the military equipment and

1315
00:38:54,873 --> 00:38:55,540
therefore I would our

1316
00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:57,940
interpretation would be that

1317
00:38:59,277 --> 00:39:00,145
the use policy would actually

1318
00:39:00,145 --> 00:39:04,345
have to be up before the public

1319
00:39:04,482 --> 00:39:05,350
safety Committee meeting.

1320
00:39:05,350 --> 00:39:08,386
We at this time we did not

1321
00:39:08,386 --> 00:39:08,987
interpret it to mean

1322
00:39:08,987 --> 00:39:10,987
the community engagement

1323
00:39:18,563 --> 00:39:21,563
meeting will who drafted this

1324
00:39:23,935 --> 00:39:26,335
report the sending of

1325
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:32,143
the Department code on a turn

1326
00:39:32,143 --> 00:39:32,778
to use words It feels as if we

1327
00:39:32,778 --> 00:39:33,512
have a procedural issue.

1328
00:39:33,512 --> 00:39:37,112
I think where the confusion MAY

1329
00:39:37,949 --> 00:39:38,617
be is that the state law

1330
00:39:38,617 --> 00:39:42,217
requires for the for the use

1331
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,870
policy to be posted before

1332
00:39:43,870 --> 00:39:43,789
the public hearing not

1333
00:39:43,789 --> 00:39:46,189
the public engagement meeting

1334
00:39:46,358 --> 00:39:46,858
which is that JUNE 3rd meeting

1335
00:39:46,858 --> 00:39:47,592
that's referenced.

1336
00:39:47,592 --> 00:39:51,192
This would count as the hearing

1337
00:39:51,529 --> 00:39:52,263
which if the use policies were

1338
00:39:52,263 --> 00:39:52,964
posted the revised use policies

1339
00:39:52,964 --> 00:39:55,534
were posted on MAY 30th and we

1340
00:39:55,534 --> 00:39:56,201
would be within that 30 day

1341
00:39:56,201 --> 00:39:56,535
period or beyond that 30 day

1342
00:39:56,535 --> 00:39:57,202
period.

1343
00:39:57,202 --> 00:40:00,202
So I think with our

1344
00:40:00,305 --> 00:40:01,390
interpretation that counting

1345
00:40:01,390 --> 00:40:01,873
this is the first hearing under

1346
00:40:01,873 --> 00:40:04,609
state law we would be in

1347
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:05,277
compliance understanding and

1348
00:40:05,277 --> 00:40:08,277
seeing concern there that it

1349
00:40:08,546 --> 00:40:11,546
wasn't posted by the community

1350
00:40:13,418 --> 00:40:14,386
meeting which was on JUNE 3rd.

1351
00:40:14,386 --> 00:40:15,187
>> So am I to understand that

1352
00:40:15,187 --> 00:40:18,187
we're going to a community

1353
00:40:18,489 --> 00:40:19,358
meeting?

1354
00:40:19,358 --> 00:40:20,580
I guess the expectation is we

1355
00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:23,580
don't give the community time

1356
00:40:23,327 --> 00:40:26,327
to be prepared with any

1357
00:40:27,499 --> 00:40:28,266
questions, comments, concerns

1358
00:40:28,266 --> 00:40:31,266
And I'm a little concerned

1359
00:40:32,538 --> 00:40:33,238
because this report indicates

1360
00:40:33,238 --> 00:40:36,238
the staff report says 30 days

1361
00:40:36,542 --> 00:40:37,408
prior to any public meeting

1362
00:40:37,408 --> 00:40:40,408
that's what's in the staff

1363
00:40:46,718 --> 00:40:48,718
report.

1364
00:40:51,723 --> 00:40:52,490
I hear you, Councilmember.

1365
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:53,192
I think yes, you're right that

1366
00:40:53,192 --> 00:40:55,927
there was that piece of

1367
00:40:55,927 --> 00:40:56,795
confusion there.

1368
00:40:56,795 --> 00:40:59,898
I think as we look ahead for

1369
00:40:59,898 --> 00:41:00,599
next year to have this posted

1370
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:01,166
30 days prior to any public

1371
00:41:01,166 --> 00:41:01,834
meeting regardless of

1372
00:41:01,834 --> 00:41:03,235
the hearing or communication

1373
00:41:03,235 --> 00:41:06,835
that effort is a commitment we

1374
00:41:08,206 --> 00:41:09,141
can make.

1375
00:41:09,141 --> 00:41:12,678
>> So am I to understand you're

1376
00:41:12,678 --> 00:41:13,479
indicating you did not meet

1377
00:41:13,479 --> 00:41:16,479
the requirements of ab 481 but

1378
00:41:17,516 --> 00:41:18,317
yet you are still asking this

1379
00:41:18,317 --> 00:41:21,317
Council to move this item

1380
00:41:22,388 --> 00:41:22,988
forward today If I MAY

1381
00:41:22,988 --> 00:41:24,988
Councilmember Foster We

1382
00:41:26,492 --> 00:41:27,325
interpreted as the community

1383
00:41:27,325 --> 00:41:30,496
meeting is not a public meeting

1384
00:41:30,496 --> 00:41:33,496
and that was our interpretation

1385
00:41:35,801 --> 00:41:36,502
of the procedural process and

1386
00:41:36,502 --> 00:41:39,502
therefore we we are in

1387
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:40,706
accordance with ab 481 based on

1388
00:41:40,706 --> 00:41:43,106
our interpretation that a

1389
00:41:44,677 --> 00:41:45,344
community meeting is not a

1390
00:41:45,344 --> 00:41:46,440
public meeting in accordance

1391
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,440
with this legislative body for

1392
00:41:49,447 --> 00:41:51,447
approval.

1393
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:54,820
Okay.

1394
00:41:54,820 --> 00:41:58,420
Um I'd have to go through

1395
00:41:59,358 --> 00:42:00,124
the statute in more detail.

1396
00:42:00,124 --> 00:42:00,626
I'm a little concerned that we

1397
00:42:00,626 --> 00:42:02,626
are qualifying our

1398
00:42:04,496 --> 00:42:04,797
interpretation today as we are

1399
00:42:04,797 --> 00:42:05,564
here.

1400
00:42:05,564 --> 00:42:08,564
Council PRESIDENT I will pause

1401
00:42:09,567 --> 00:42:10,269
there but unfortunately I can't

1402
00:42:10,269 --> 00:42:13,269
support the item that's before

1403
00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:14,473
us today.

1404
00:42:14,473 --> 00:42:17,609
Seems like it would be in

1405
00:42:17,609 --> 00:42:21,209
the best interest of the police

1406
00:42:22,782 --> 00:42:23,416
department and the community to

1407
00:42:23,416 --> 00:42:24,116
properly notice and bring

1408
00:42:24,116 --> 00:42:27,685
the item back and continue to

1409
00:42:27,685 --> 00:42:28,454
move forward So um but I'll

1410
00:42:28,454 --> 00:42:28,854
I'll in there and turn it back

1411
00:42:28,854 --> 00:42:30,854
over to you.

1412
00:42:32,157 --> 00:42:32,525
Council PRESIDENT Thank you.

1413
00:42:32,525 --> 00:42:33,259
All right.

1414
00:42:33,259 --> 00:42:33,993
Thank you Council Member Foster

1415
00:42:33,993 --> 00:42:36,393
Always appreciate your comments

1416
00:42:37,863 --> 00:42:38,564
observations and we'll go back

1417
00:42:38,564 --> 00:42:39,198
to council member Von Wilpert.

1418
00:42:39,198 --> 00:42:41,834
Thank you And thank you to

1419
00:42:41,834 --> 00:42:42,567
Councilor Foster for raising

1420
00:42:42,567 --> 00:42:43,269
procedural issues because it is

1421
00:42:43,269 --> 00:42:43,936
important for the public to be

1422
00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:47,405
able to see these policy And

1423
00:42:47,405 --> 00:42:49,805
I'm reading on California

1424
00:42:51,744 --> 00:42:52,411
legislature C.A. That Section

1425
00:42:52,411 --> 00:42:53,112
7071 subsection b of the law

1426
00:42:53,112 --> 00:42:53,813
states that it needs to be

1427
00:42:53,813 --> 00:42:56,213
placed on the enforcement

1428
00:42:56,816 --> 00:42:57,617
agencies Internet website at

1429
00:42:57,617 --> 00:43:00,617
least 30 days prior to any

1430
00:43:02,421 --> 00:43:03,389
public hearing.

1431
00:43:03,389 --> 00:43:03,989
So I could see why you be

1432
00:43:03,989 --> 00:43:04,657
the different to be in a

1433
00:43:04,657 --> 00:43:05,891
hearing in front of the city

1434
00:43:05,891 --> 00:43:06,459
council versus a meeting It

1435
00:43:06,459 --> 00:43:07,193
says the word hearing

1436
00:43:07,193 --> 00:43:10,793
regardless in the future can we

1437
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:11,730
just do a before 30 days before

1438
00:43:11,730 --> 00:43:11,998
the public meeting too?

1439
00:43:11,998 --> 00:43:13,998
Yes.

1440
00:43:15,801 --> 00:43:16,202
Council Member okay.

1441
00:43:16,202 --> 00:43:16,569
All right.

1442
00:43:16,569 --> 00:43:17,403
Thank you.

1443
00:43:17,403 --> 00:43:18,400
I mean if we have it done you

1444
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,839
might as well posted on

1445
00:43:20,839 --> 00:43:21,240
the website early so okay.

1446
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:21,641
Thank you.

1447
00:43:21,641 --> 00:43:22,700
All right.

1448
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:22,875
Thank you.

1449
00:43:22,875 --> 00:43:25,611
Council member Von Wilpert not

1450
00:43:25,611 --> 00:43:28,110
seen Councilmember Huston And

1451
00:43:29,416 --> 00:43:30,820
just to clarify and I know

1452
00:43:30,820 --> 00:43:30,783
the police department has a

1453
00:43:30,783 --> 00:43:33,783
whole they basically have all

1454
00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:34,454
of their policies and

1455
00:43:34,454 --> 00:43:36,854
procedures in one location

1456
00:43:39,124 --> 00:43:39,491
That's a pretty extensive

1457
00:43:39,491 --> 00:43:40,293
document.

1458
00:43:40,293 --> 00:43:44,493
So I hope when you are I'm

1459
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:45,531
taking this type of action that

1460
00:43:45,531 --> 00:43:49,731
you don't just rely on it being

1461
00:43:52,204 --> 00:43:53,720
in that section but post it in

1462
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,943
a manner in which it is easily

1463
00:43:56,943 --> 00:43:57,609
identifiable and folks

1464
00:43:57,609 --> 00:44:00,900
understand the document that

1465
00:44:02,810 --> 00:44:02,482
they should be reviewing or

1466
00:44:02,482 --> 00:44:03,349
looking at.

1467
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:06,753
So just if you can do that I

1468
00:44:06,753 --> 00:44:07,860
think that would improve our

1469
00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:07,820
process.

1470
00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:10,820
So thank you, Council PRESIDENT

1471
00:44:11,824 --> 00:44:12,558
All right.

1472
00:44:12,558 --> 00:44:13,292
Thank you, Councilmember Foster

1473
00:44:13,292 --> 00:44:13,926
Not to anybody else I'd like to

1474
00:44:13,926 --> 00:44:16,829
speak We have a motion by

1475
00:44:16,829 --> 00:44:17,463
council member volleyball

1476
00:44:17,463 --> 00:44:18,300
Putnam seconded by Council

1477
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:18,665
member Kimball to move

1478
00:44:18,665 --> 00:44:20,665
the staff recommendation.

1479
00:44:21,667 --> 00:44:22,368
Clerk Please call the roll as

1480
00:44:22,368 --> 00:44:22,902
the voting system Please cast

1481
00:44:22,902 --> 00:44:23,636
your vote in Council

1482
00:44:23,636 --> 00:44:24,337
Councilmember Camp You If I can

1483
00:44:24,337 --> 00:44:27,937
have your vote For the record

1484
00:44:28,441 --> 00:44:30,441
Yes.

1485
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:33,379
>> This passes 7 to 2 with

1486
00:44:33,379 --> 00:44:34,113
Council member Ella River and

1487
00:44:34,113 --> 00:44:37,113
Council member Foster voting No

1488
00:44:38,170 --> 00:44:38,751
Thank you Council PRESIDENT All

1489
00:44:38,751 --> 00:44:42,322
right thank you City Clerk With

1490
00:44:42,322 --> 00:44:42,622
that please introduce item 200

1491
00:44:42,622 --> 00:44:43,389
.

1492
00:44:43,389 --> 00:44:43,689
>> Thank you very much for your

1493
00:44:43,689 --> 00:44:44,570
work.

1494
00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:44,724
Thank you.

1495
00:44:44,724 --> 00:44:46,859
Item 200 is the master lease

1496
00:44:46,859 --> 00:44:47,526
agreement to finance general

1497
00:44:47,526 --> 00:44:48,261
fund vehicles and equipment.

1498
00:44:48,261 --> 00:44:51,261
Six votes are required pursuant

1499
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:52,331
to Charter section 99.

1500
00:44:52,331 --> 00:44:54,731
There are no organized

1501
00:44:56,202 --> 00:44:56,503
presentations for this item

1502
00:44:56,503 --> 00:44:56,869
today.

1503
00:44:56,869 --> 00:44:58,869
Thank you.

1504
00:45:15,855 --> 00:45:16,222
Council PRESIDENT.

1505
00:45:16,222 --> 00:45:16,990
All right.

1506
00:45:16,990 --> 00:45:19,390
You settle yourselves in

1507
00:45:20,693 --> 00:45:21,394
introduce yourselves for

1508
00:45:21,394 --> 00:45:22,162
the record and let us know how

1509
00:45:22,162 --> 00:45:24,831
much time you need for

1510
00:45:24,831 --> 00:45:25,365
the presentation.

1511
00:45:25,365 --> 00:45:26,660
>> Good afternoon.

1512
00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:28,466
Council PRESIDENT And members

1513
00:45:29,769 --> 00:45:30,337
of the Council Jody Pantaleo,

1514
00:45:30,337 --> 00:45:31,370
assistant director of

1515
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:34,370
the Department of Finance and

1516
00:45:35,308 --> 00:45:35,942
presenting with me today is

1517
00:45:35,942 --> 00:45:36,576
Marisol Levinas, also from

1518
00:45:36,576 --> 00:45:38,976
the Department of Finance.

1519
00:45:39,746 --> 00:45:40,113
We'll need about seven minutes.

1520
00:45:40,113 --> 00:45:40,613
All right.

1521
00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:40,980
When you're ready.

1522
00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:42,980
Thank you.

1523
00:45:44,384 --> 00:45:45,151
Good afternoon again.

1524
00:45:45,151 --> 00:45:45,652
The item for your consideration

1525
00:45:45,652 --> 00:45:47,652
this afternoon is

1526
00:45:49,189 --> 00:45:49,889
the authorization of a master

1527
00:45:49,889 --> 00:45:52,289
lease agreement with JPMorgan

1528
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,260
Chase to finance general fund

1529
00:45:54,260 --> 00:45:57,260
fleet and equipment in an

1530
00:45:57,664 --> 00:45:57,998
amount not to exceed 48.3

1531
00:45:57,998 --> 00:45:59,998
million.

1532
00:46:01,835 --> 00:46:02,535
This item was presented and

1533
00:46:02,535 --> 00:46:03,203
approved by the Budget and

1534
00:46:03,203 --> 00:46:03,737
Government Finance Committee

1535
00:46:03,737 --> 00:46:05,737
meeting last month.

1536
00:46:07,908 --> 00:46:08,475
I will now turn it over to

1537
00:46:08,475 --> 00:46:08,875
Marisol to go through

1538
00:46:08,875 --> 00:46:10,875
the details.

1539
00:46:11,577 --> 00:46:13,577
Thank you.

1540
00:46:15,882 --> 00:46:16,549
>> The proposed financing of

1541
00:46:16,549 --> 00:46:18,549
48.3 million is anticipated

1542
00:46:19,619 --> 00:46:20,353
anticipated to be used for 213

1543
00:46:20,353 --> 00:46:23,353
general fund fleet vehicles and

1544
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:24,791
equipment that have been

1545
00:46:24,791 --> 00:46:25,458
ordered and are anticipated to

1546
00:46:25,458 --> 00:46:28,458
be delivered over a 15 month

1547
00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:30,960
period following execution.

1548
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,496
Associated sales tax outfitting

1549
00:46:33,767 --> 00:46:34,468
costs for the vehicle and

1550
00:46:34,468 --> 00:46:35,202
equipment will be cash funded

1551
00:46:35,202 --> 00:46:38,672
and are budgeted in the vehicle

1552
00:46:38,672 --> 00:46:39,306
replacement fund.

1553
00:46:39,306 --> 00:46:39,973
The purchase contracts for

1554
00:46:39,973 --> 00:46:42,373
these vehicles and equipment

1555
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:44,210
were approved by city council

1556
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:44,878
in JULY of 2022 with

1557
00:46:44,878 --> 00:46:47,278
the understanding that they

1558
00:46:48,614 --> 00:46:49,382
would be financed through mfp

1559
00:46:49,382 --> 00:46:49,983
with a master lease agreement

1560
00:46:49,983 --> 00:46:51,418
brought forth closer to

1561
00:46:51,418 --> 00:46:55,180
the time of the vehicle or

1562
00:46:56,789 --> 00:46:57,390
equipment delivery.

1563
00:46:57,390 --> 00:46:58,900
Based on current market

1564
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:00,900
conditions, estimated interest

1565
00:47:00,726 --> 00:47:03,126
rates range from 3.91% to 4.1%

1566
00:47:05,331 --> 00:47:05,632
depending on the repayment

1567
00:47:05,632 --> 00:47:06,366
terms.

1568
00:47:06,366 --> 00:47:09,366
Actual rates will be determined

1569
00:47:10,203 --> 00:47:10,871
at closing.

1570
00:47:10,871 --> 00:47:11,571
Lease payments will be made

1571
00:47:11,571 --> 00:47:12,720
semiannually from the vehicle

1572
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,720
replacement fund.

1573
00:47:15,275 --> 00:47:16,900
The projected debt service for

1574
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:18,409
this financing was incorporated

1575
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:21,281
into the city's five year

1576
00:47:21,281 --> 00:47:21,948
financial outlook and remains

1577
00:47:21,948 --> 00:47:24,948
within the debt ratio limit

1578
00:47:25,850 --> 00:47:25,752
established by the city's debt

1579
00:47:25,752 --> 00:47:26,119
policy as shown in this

1580
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:26,853
schedule.

1581
00:47:26,853 --> 00:47:29,853
Annual payments are expected to

1582
00:47:30,156 --> 00:47:30,790
peak in the early years and

1583
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:31,391
then gradually decline as

1584
00:47:31,391 --> 00:47:33,391
obligations are repaid.

1585
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:35,696
Assuming a full draw of

1586
00:47:35,696 --> 00:47:38,960
the 48.3 million total debt

1587
00:47:39,299 --> 00:47:40,670
services anticipated at 56.8

1588
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:43,670
million over the life of

1589
00:47:44,338 --> 00:47:46,738
the agreement, the proposed

1590
00:47:48,942 --> 00:47:49,609
agreement establishes a

1591
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:50,210
financing agreement between

1592
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:52,879
the city as a lessee and

1593
00:47:52,879 --> 00:47:53,646
JPMorgan as a lessor.

1594
00:47:53,646 --> 00:47:54,247
The bank was selected through a

1595
00:47:54,247 --> 00:47:54,581
competitive procurement

1596
00:47:54,581 --> 00:47:56,581
process.

1597
00:47:58,152 --> 00:47:58,818
The agreement provides funding

1598
00:47:58,818 --> 00:48:01,218
availability over a 15 month

1599
00:48:02,989 --> 00:48:03,591
acquisition period that is

1600
00:48:03,591 --> 00:48:04,324
expected to span from

1601
00:48:04,324 --> 00:48:06,324
approximately SEPTEMBER of 2026

1602
00:48:08,362 --> 00:48:09,290
through DECEMBER of 2027.

1603
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:12,290
The city MAY draw only

1604
00:48:12,799 --> 00:48:13,400
the funds it needs and is under

1605
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,670
no obligation to utilize

1606
00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:16,467
the full authorized amount.

1607
00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:18,305
Any unused capacity MAY also be

1608
00:48:18,305 --> 00:48:20,705
available to finance additional

1609
00:48:22,343 --> 00:48:22,709
eligible equipment and vehicles

1610
00:48:22,709 --> 00:48:23,344
if needed.

1611
00:48:23,344 --> 00:48:26,344
The interest rates will be

1612
00:48:27,548 --> 00:48:28,182
fixed at closing and financing

1613
00:48:28,182 --> 00:48:31,182
will only proceed if rate

1614
00:48:31,952 --> 00:48:32,553
remains below the established

1615
00:48:32,553 --> 00:48:33,253
ceiling of 7%.

1616
00:48:33,253 --> 00:48:35,956
The city commits to budgeting

1617
00:48:35,956 --> 00:48:38,356
and appropriating annual lease

1618
00:48:40,961 --> 00:48:41,662
payments through the term.

1619
00:48:41,662 --> 00:48:42,295
An additional feature of this

1620
00:48:42,295 --> 00:48:42,629
agreement as the optional

1621
00:48:42,629 --> 00:48:44,629
escrow.

1622
00:48:45,932 --> 00:48:46,600
This allows the city to draw

1623
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,200
down all or a portion of

1624
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:50,938
the financing proceeds before

1625
00:48:50,938 --> 00:48:51,538
before vehicles or equipment

1626
00:48:51,538 --> 00:48:53,538
are actually delivered.

1627
00:48:55,709 --> 00:48:56,443
The escrow feature gives

1628
00:48:56,443 --> 00:48:58,843
the city additional flexibility

1629
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:00,881
if there are delivery delays or

1630
00:49:00,881 --> 00:49:01,582
if market conditions make it

1631
00:49:01,582 --> 00:49:01,916
financially beneficial to fund

1632
00:49:01,916 --> 00:49:03,916
earlier.

1633
00:49:08,155 --> 00:49:08,823
As we wait for assets to arrive

1634
00:49:08,823 --> 00:49:09,523
since it's anticipated that

1635
00:49:09,523 --> 00:49:12,660
the city will be pay will pay

1636
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:13,360
the vendors upon asset delivery

1637
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:13,861
then reimburse itself through

1638
00:49:13,861 --> 00:49:15,861
the lease funding.

1639
00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:17,764
The city is required by

1640
00:49:17,764 --> 00:49:18,332
Treasury regulations to declare

1641
00:49:18,332 --> 00:49:20,732
its official intent to

1642
00:49:21,835 --> 00:49:22,503
reimburse itself during

1643
00:49:22,503 --> 00:49:23,237
the master lease agreement.

1644
00:49:23,237 --> 00:49:25,637
The ordinance contains language

1645
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:29,740
satisfies this requirement.

1646
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:31,746
>> As Josie mentioned this item

1647
00:49:31,746 --> 00:49:32,446
went to Budget and Government

1648
00:49:32,446 --> 00:49:32,747
Efficiency Committee and JUNE

1649
00:49:32,747 --> 00:49:34,747
17th.

1650
00:49:36,550 --> 00:49:37,151
After City council today

1651
00:49:37,151 --> 00:49:39,551
the first reading of

1652
00:49:40,855 --> 00:49:41,422
the ordinance the second

1653
00:49:41,422 --> 00:49:42,890
reading will be after

1654
00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:42,456
the summer recess and AUGUST

1655
00:49:42,456 --> 00:49:44,456
25th 2026.

1656
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:45,692
With the execution of

1657
00:49:45,692 --> 00:49:48,920
the agreement in early

1658
00:49:49,763 --> 00:49:50,698
SEPTEMBER.

1659
00:49:50,698 --> 00:49:51,265
Thank you for your time and we

1660
00:49:51,265 --> 00:49:53,265
welcome any questions.

1661
00:49:55,736 --> 00:49:56,170
This concludes our

1662
00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:56,604
presentation.

1663
00:49:56,604 --> 00:49:57,204
>> All right.

1664
00:49:57,204 --> 00:49:57,938
Thank you for the work.

1665
00:49:57,938 --> 00:50:00,274
Thank you for the presentation.

1666
00:50:00,274 --> 00:50:00,942
And with that clerk please

1667
00:50:00,942 --> 00:50:01,308
proceed for public comment.

1668
00:50:01,308 --> 00:50:02,430
Thank you.

1669
00:50:02,430 --> 00:50:05,246
Council PRESIDENT If I can have

1670
00:50:05,246 --> 00:50:05,913
Maximillian Schmidt and then

1671
00:50:05,913 --> 00:50:06,881
allegedly Audra, you'll have

1672
00:50:06,881 --> 00:50:11,810
one minute the timer will be on

1673
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:12,553
the screen.

1674
00:50:12,553 --> 00:50:14,553
>> Hi.

1675
00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:19,590
I spoke earlier about a

1676
00:50:21,962 --> 00:50:25,562
creative idea to do with these

1677
00:50:25,666 --> 00:50:26,000
214 vehicles amounting to $48

1678
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,000
million.

1679
00:50:30,104 --> 00:50:30,805
I'm actually a victim of

1680
00:50:30,805 --> 00:50:34,405
whatever you want to call them

1681
00:50:34,876 --> 00:50:37,876
Modern day pagans, the occult

1682
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:40,814
Freemasons that well actually

1683
00:50:40,814 --> 00:50:45,140
tried to make me crazy and even

1684
00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:48,686
suicidal or turned to drugs by

1685
00:50:49,424 --> 00:50:50,291
saying my thoughts out loud and

1686
00:50:50,291 --> 00:50:50,958
my creative idea is to have a

1687
00:50:50,958 --> 00:50:52,958
public service announcement

1688
00:50:55,830 --> 00:50:56,530
with these woke one of these

1689
00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:58,930
214 vehicles saying to people

1690
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:00,435
that if you think that you're

1691
00:51:00,435 --> 00:51:03,435
crazy because people are saying

1692
00:51:03,805 --> 00:51:04,472
your thoughts out loud on that

1693
00:51:04,472 --> 00:51:05,106
pagan rituals have actually

1694
00:51:05,106 --> 00:51:08,106
existed before the time of

1695
00:51:08,776 --> 00:51:09,444
Christ giving people

1696
00:51:09,444 --> 00:51:10,178
the ability to be telepathic

1697
00:51:10,178 --> 00:51:13,778
and to even drive other members

1698
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:14,715
of their community insane by

1699
00:51:14,715 --> 00:51:15,216
saying their thoughts out loud

1700
00:51:15,216 --> 00:51:17,616
You are not crazy.

1701
00:51:32,767 --> 00:51:33,534
You're being targeted under

1702
00:51:33,534 --> 00:51:36,534
point of order really quick

1703
00:51:38,539 --> 00:51:39,240
regarding the last item and

1704
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:42,240
whether or not that community

1705
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:43,745
meeting was something where

1706
00:51:43,745 --> 00:51:44,378
they were bringing forward this

1707
00:51:44,378 --> 00:51:47,782
item for the first time it

1708
00:51:47,782 --> 00:51:48,683
would require the notice.

1709
00:51:48,683 --> 00:51:49,417
So I think you guys need to see

1710
00:51:49,417 --> 00:51:52,219
if that was a community meeting

1711
00:51:52,219 --> 00:51:52,921
where they were bringing it

1712
00:51:52,921 --> 00:51:53,655
forward for the first time as

1713
00:51:53,655 --> 00:51:56,550
information than it technically

1714
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:57,959
would need to be noticed 30

1715
00:51:57,959 --> 00:51:58,827
days prior.

1716
00:51:58,827 --> 00:52:02,427
So I think there's maybe a

1717
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:03,298
technicality here that you guys

1718
00:52:03,298 --> 00:52:03,999
need to review to make sure

1719
00:52:03,999 --> 00:52:06,935
that you're doing this abiding

1720
00:52:06,935 --> 00:52:07,602
by the law because I don't

1721
00:52:07,602 --> 00:52:08,303
believe that you are And I

1722
00:52:08,303 --> 00:52:11,439
think that you were right but

1723
00:52:11,439 --> 00:52:11,939
that you need to look a little

1724
00:52:11,939 --> 00:52:12,707
bit deeper anyway.

1725
00:52:12,707 --> 00:52:16,644
So as far as this equipment and

1726
00:52:16,644 --> 00:52:17,345
these vehicles goes, I mean Jp

1727
00:52:17,345 --> 00:52:17,979
Morgan and Chase I mean has

1728
00:52:17,979 --> 00:52:19,979
connections to BlackRock.

1729
00:52:21,416 --> 00:52:22,830
I don't understand why, you

1730
00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:22,817
know, some billionaires were

1731
00:52:22,817 --> 00:52:25,817
concerned about and others were

1732
00:52:26,221 --> 00:52:26,988
not.

1733
00:52:26,988 --> 00:52:27,722
And when we're spending this

1734
00:52:27,722 --> 00:52:28,523
amount of money I mean when you

1735
00:52:28,523 --> 00:52:31,192
guys are getting all of these

1736
00:52:31,192 --> 00:52:31,859
electric vehicles and this new

1737
00:52:31,859 --> 00:52:32,560
type of infrastructure, it's

1738
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,897
going to cost the people more

1739
00:52:35,897 --> 00:52:36,765
money and it doesn't really

1740
00:52:36,765 --> 00:52:40,965
save us money over time And nor

1741
00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:41,936
is it what happened with

1742
00:52:41,936 --> 00:52:42,370
the clock.

1743
00:52:42,370 --> 00:52:42,904
That's weird.

1744
00:52:42,904 --> 00:52:43,305
I'll keep taking it.

1745
00:52:43,305 --> 00:52:45,305
Keep going.

1746
00:52:45,507 --> 00:52:45,940
Okay.

1747
00:52:45,940 --> 00:52:46,741
Thanks anyway.

1748
00:52:46,741 --> 00:52:50,779
I was like I got more time.

1749
00:52:50,779 --> 00:52:51,211
A little fun was like I'm going

1750
00:52:51,211 --> 00:52:51,779
back in time.

1751
00:52:51,779 --> 00:52:54,179
This is so weird.

1752
00:52:55,249 --> 00:52:56,500
You guys are bummed but that we

1753
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:56,684
need to be mindful of like how

1754
00:52:56,684 --> 00:52:59,840
much it's actually costing

1755
00:52:59,754 --> 00:53:00,455
whether these things are

1756
00:53:00,455 --> 00:53:01,156
beneficial to the environment

1757
00:53:01,156 --> 00:53:04,359
because if you really do your

1758
00:53:04,359 --> 00:53:05,260
research you can find that they

1759
00:53:05,260 --> 00:53:05,693
are actually detrimental not

1760
00:53:05,693 --> 00:53:08,693
only to the environment but

1761
00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:10,531
also to public health and

1762
00:53:10,531 --> 00:53:11,299
safety And we should be

1763
00:53:11,299 --> 00:53:14,299
concerned about giving money to

1764
00:53:14,603 --> 00:53:15,303
these entities that are engaged

1765
00:53:15,303 --> 00:53:16,370
in very nefarious things like

1766
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:19,370
BlackRock and Vanguard which is

1767
00:53:21,176 --> 00:53:21,519
involved with Chase and Jp

1768
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:21,877
Morgan.

1769
00:53:21,877 --> 00:53:22,610
Thank you.

1770
00:53:22,610 --> 00:53:24,546
I started off I'm a timer going

1771
00:53:24,546 --> 00:53:25,412
to those participating remotely

1772
00:53:25,412 --> 00:53:26,114
and you raised a point of order

1773
00:53:26,114 --> 00:53:26,815
and that's where your time was

1774
00:53:26,815 --> 00:53:28,316
And when you finish your point

1775
00:53:28,316 --> 00:53:29,840
of order then we started your

1776
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,684
clock so you could speak to

1777
00:53:33,155 --> 00:53:35,155
the item itself.

1778
00:53:42,898 --> 00:53:43,498
Amanda if you can please unmute

1779
00:53:43,498 --> 00:53:44,320
we can hear you.

1780
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:44,466
>> Please proceed.

1781
00:53:44,466 --> 00:53:46,466
Okay, perfect.

1782
00:53:48,236 --> 00:53:51,836
So I'm sitting here looking at

1783
00:53:52,574 --> 00:53:53,708
a slide from last year's budget

1784
00:53:53,708 --> 00:53:56,778
year where we had a I think it

1785
00:53:56,778 --> 00:53:57,512
was $158 million deficit Looks

1786
00:53:57,512 --> 00:54:00,512
like we budgeted 95 million for

1787
00:54:01,490 --> 00:54:01,649
medium heavy duty and 40

1788
00:54:01,649 --> 00:54:04,490
million for light duty.

1789
00:54:06,721 --> 00:54:07,422
Now sitting here listening that

1790
00:54:07,422 --> 00:54:08,189
we're going to finance another

1791
00:54:08,189 --> 00:54:11,189
48 million so at least more

1792
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:12,426
city vehicles are road than

1793
00:54:12,426 --> 00:54:13,610
potholes.

1794
00:54:13,610 --> 00:54:13,762
Our streets are flooding.

1795
00:54:13,762 --> 00:54:16,732
If the foundation of my house

1796
00:54:16,732 --> 00:54:17,432
is leaking, I'm not going to go

1797
00:54:17,432 --> 00:54:17,766
out and finance a brand new

1798
00:54:17,766 --> 00:54:19,766
Camaro.

1799
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:21,803
>> The people in the city are

1800
00:54:21,803 --> 00:54:22,504
sick to death of the financial

1801
00:54:22,504 --> 00:54:22,938
mismanagement the City Council

1802
00:54:22,938 --> 00:54:24,938
has displayed.

1803
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:27,809
I promise you that we will be

1804
00:54:27,809 --> 00:54:31,409
auditing the out of each and

1805
00:54:31,647 --> 00:54:32,413
every single contract.

1806
00:54:32,413 --> 00:54:33,140
We trust you with our money

1807
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:33,715
like we trust Bill Cosby

1808
00:54:33,715 --> 00:54:36,715
the poorest drinks Please vote

1809
00:54:37,180 --> 00:54:37,685
no to add to our deficit.

1810
00:54:37,685 --> 00:54:38,287
Please use the resources we

1811
00:54:38,287 --> 00:54:40,687
have already given you

1812
00:54:42,724 --> 00:54:43,225
responsibly and allocate our

1813
00:54:43,225 --> 00:54:43,592
taxes responsibly.

1814
00:54:43,592 --> 00:54:44,760
Thank you.

1815
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,760
Thank you, Larry Ackerman If

1816
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:51,545
you can please unmute I will be

1817
00:54:51,545 --> 00:54:52,200
open.

1818
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,304
I didn't say anything in this

1819
00:54:55,304 --> 00:54:55,704
diagram about electrical

1820
00:54:55,704 --> 00:54:56,438
vehicle use.

1821
00:54:56,438 --> 00:55:00,380
Good luck in that pursuit and

1822
00:55:00,776 --> 00:55:01,477
how we are addressing

1823
00:55:01,477 --> 00:55:02,177
the future of electric battery

1824
00:55:02,177 --> 00:55:02,945
use What that what a good safe

1825
00:55:02,945 --> 00:55:05,945
electric battery means for our

1826
00:55:06,815 --> 00:55:07,582
future.

1827
00:55:07,582 --> 00:55:08,249
We make good early steps to

1828
00:55:08,249 --> 00:55:08,550
make that conversation more

1829
00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:09,218
clear.

1830
00:55:09,218 --> 00:55:11,855
Good luck in those continued

1831
00:55:11,855 --> 00:55:12,454
efforts for our fleet service

1832
00:55:12,454 --> 00:55:12,888
and for our communities.

1833
00:55:12,888 --> 00:55:13,355
>> Thank you.

1834
00:55:13,355 --> 00:55:15,355
Thank you Tony.

1835
00:55:16,725 --> 00:55:19,725
If you can please unmute.

1836
00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:22,831
Yes, I wanted to agree with

1837
00:55:22,831 --> 00:55:23,399
the sentiments that were spoken

1838
00:55:23,399 --> 00:55:24,660
earlier by a couple of

1839
00:55:24,660 --> 00:55:26,466
the constituents namely with

1840
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:29,400
Amanda and namely with Audra.

1841
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,420
And I want to say any time that

1842
00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:33,675
Audra tells a member of city

1843
00:55:33,675 --> 00:55:34,343
Council that you're doing

1844
00:55:34,343 --> 00:55:34,977
something right that should

1845
00:55:34,977 --> 00:55:37,377
really tell you something.

1846
00:55:39,281 --> 00:55:39,915
And Henry Foster, you are

1847
00:55:39,915 --> 00:55:40,215
definitely doing something

1848
00:55:40,215 --> 00:55:40,916
right.

1849
00:55:40,916 --> 00:55:43,319
As well as Shawn Ella Rivera,

1850
00:55:43,319 --> 00:55:43,985
thank you both for routinely

1851
00:55:43,985 --> 00:55:44,787
being some of the only too

1852
00:55:44,787 --> 00:55:47,787
courageous enough to take a

1853
00:55:49,959 --> 00:55:50,692
bold stance when it comes to a

1854
00:55:50,692 --> 00:55:51,393
principled stance when it comes

1855
00:55:51,393 --> 00:55:54,993
to doing things the right tone

1856
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:55,698
and the wrong way.

1857
00:55:55,698 --> 00:55:56,465
Can you speak to the item?

1858
00:55:56,465 --> 00:55:57,233
Audra had a point of order on

1859
00:55:57,233 --> 00:55:59,802
which is why we keep her that

1860
00:55:59,802 --> 00:56:00,140
time But speak to the item

1861
00:56:00,140 --> 00:56:00,468
please.

1862
00:56:00,468 --> 00:56:02,468
>> Sure.

1863
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:05,708
I don't understand why we're

1864
00:56:05,708 --> 00:56:06,408
necessarily going with Morgan

1865
00:56:06,408 --> 00:56:10,800
as the ones that are financing

1866
00:56:10,346 --> 00:56:11,212
this project.

1867
00:56:11,212 --> 00:56:11,813
I would love to see us actually

1868
00:56:11,813 --> 00:56:13,813
financing with someone

1869
00:56:16,818 --> 00:56:17,519
differently If we can do like

1870
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:17,953
an independent credit union or

1871
00:56:17,953 --> 00:56:19,953
someone local.

1872
00:56:22,525 --> 00:56:23,192
Jp Union is, you know, known

1873
00:56:23,192 --> 00:56:23,892
for definitely being out of

1874
00:56:23,892 --> 00:56:27,492
code of conduct and have all

1875
00:56:27,563 --> 00:56:28,960
kinds of lawsuits against them

1876
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,960
for various reasons.

1877
00:56:33,135 --> 00:56:33,903
Thank you.

1878
00:56:33,903 --> 00:56:36,500
And your final speaker with our

1879
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:39,500
hand raised at the moment,

1880
00:56:41,944 --> 00:56:42,510
please unmute Verde.

1881
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:42,811
Can you hear me?

1882
00:56:42,811 --> 00:56:43,279
Yes.

1883
00:56:43,279 --> 00:56:45,279
Please proceed.

1884
00:56:47,149 --> 00:56:50,149
So from my understanding they

1885
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,210
want a 48.3 million but

1886
00:56:52,210 --> 00:56:52,788
the city to go into debt for

1887
00:56:52,788 --> 00:56:55,788
these vehicles which would be

1888
00:56:57,593 --> 00:56:59,993
including sd pd meaning.

1889
00:57:02,965 --> 00:57:03,499
So we're just adding on to that

1890
00:57:03,499 --> 00:57:05,899
and going into debt.

1891
00:57:08,738 --> 00:57:09,438
Also if this does pass,

1892
00:57:09,438 --> 00:57:10,106
the ordinance gives the mayor

1893
00:57:10,106 --> 00:57:14,177
or the city the ceo and cfo

1894
00:57:14,177 --> 00:57:14,744
authority to change the list

1895
00:57:14,744 --> 00:57:15,344
finance assets without

1896
00:57:15,344 --> 00:57:15,710
returning to council or

1897
00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:17,710
approval.

1898
00:57:20,816 --> 00:57:21,550
I think that's an issue.

1899
00:57:21,550 --> 00:57:24,550
I don't understand how we're

1900
00:57:26,322 --> 00:57:27,220
taking all of this money and

1901
00:57:27,220 --> 00:57:29,422
investing in military police

1902
00:57:32,761 --> 00:57:33,462
infrastructure.

1903
00:57:33,462 --> 00:57:33,829
I just can't understand it.

1904
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:34,463
Thank you.

1905
00:57:34,463 --> 00:57:37,463
Thank you for that input.

1906
00:57:38,968 --> 00:57:39,469
Public comment on this item.

1907
00:57:39,469 --> 00:57:40,350
>> All right.

1908
00:57:40,350 --> 00:57:40,736
Thank you, City Clerk.

1909
00:57:40,736 --> 00:57:41,303
Well I'll turn over to council

1910
00:57:41,303 --> 00:57:43,303
members for questions.

1911
00:57:44,273 --> 00:57:44,841
Comments Entertain a motion.

1912
00:57:44,841 --> 00:57:45,408
>> We'll start with

1913
00:57:45,408 --> 00:57:46,750
Councilmember Moreno.

1914
00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:49,675
Thank you and thank you for

1915
00:57:50,646 --> 00:57:51,247
your presentation.

1916
00:57:51,247 --> 00:57:51,981
I've become uneasy with

1917
00:57:51,981 --> 00:57:55,581
the structure by which the city

1918
00:57:56,850 --> 00:57:56,451
purchases and then leases

1919
00:57:56,451 --> 00:57:57,119
vehicles.

1920
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:57,787
The city will initially fund

1921
00:57:57,787 --> 00:58:01,387
the cost of the vehicles and

1922
00:58:02,291 --> 00:58:02,992
equipment purchases and then

1923
00:58:02,992 --> 00:58:03,359
reimburse itself through lease

1924
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:05,359
financing.

1925
00:58:08,464 --> 00:58:09,980
This is similar to buying a

1926
00:58:09,980 --> 00:58:12,980
washer with cash and then

1927
00:58:14,604 --> 00:58:15,138
taking out a loan afterward to

1928
00:58:15,138 --> 00:58:15,872
reimburse yourself.

1929
00:58:15,872 --> 00:58:18,872
In essence replacing an upfront

1930
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:21,377
cash payment with a debt that

1931
00:58:21,377 --> 00:58:21,744
must be paid over time with

1932
00:58:21,744 --> 00:58:22,378
interest.

1933
00:58:22,378 --> 00:58:24,778
Now consistent with those

1934
00:58:27,387 --> 00:58:28,117
concerns I do not I did not

1935
00:58:28,117 --> 00:58:28,718
support last year's cooperative

1936
00:58:28,718 --> 00:58:30,718
procurement contract for

1937
00:58:32,421 --> 00:58:33,220
the purchase of various

1938
00:58:33,220 --> 00:58:33,656
vehicles and equipment.

1939
00:58:33,656 --> 00:58:36,656
I also didn't support last

1940
00:58:38,795 --> 00:58:39,395
year's master lease agreement

1941
00:58:39,395 --> 00:58:39,996
to finance general fund

1942
00:58:39,996 --> 00:58:41,996
vehicles and equipment.

1943
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,100
Now I do understand that this

1944
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:45,668
is the way the city has

1945
00:58:45,668 --> 00:58:46,202
purchased vehicles in recent

1946
00:58:46,202 --> 00:58:48,602
years and I'm simply

1947
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:51,708
uncomfortable with how the city

1948
00:58:51,708 --> 00:58:52,442
is perpetually issuing debt to

1949
00:58:52,442 --> 00:58:52,809
fund vehicles and equipment for

1950
00:58:52,809 --> 00:58:54,809
our fleet.

1951
00:58:57,460 --> 00:58:57,680
So I will not be supporting

1952
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:58,470
this item before us today.

1953
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:58,414
Thank you.

1954
00:58:58,414 --> 00:59:00,414
All right.

1955
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:03,353
Thank you, Councilmember Moreno

1956
00:59:03,353 --> 00:59:05,353
.

1957
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:08,358
Does our councilmember Manuel

1958
00:59:08,358 --> 00:59:11,358
thank you for the presentation

1959
00:59:13,830 --> 00:59:14,430
and you know, I wish that we

1960
00:59:14,430 --> 00:59:16,830
had done this with

1961
00:59:20,169 --> 00:59:20,870
the community presentation that

1962
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:21,470
was heard a budget government

1963
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:22,138
efficiency committee on

1964
00:59:22,138 --> 00:59:25,138
the cost benefit analysis of

1965
00:59:25,942 --> 00:59:26,476
whether to rent versus buy a

1966
00:59:26,476 --> 00:59:27,176
different equipment.

1967
00:59:27,176 --> 00:59:27,910
I do with my staff but I think

1968
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:31,510
it would have been very helpful

1969
00:59:33,383 --> 00:59:34,250
to see the side by side.

1970
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:34,851
What I have a couple of

1971
00:59:34,851 --> 00:59:35,585
questions about you know

1972
00:59:35,585 --> 00:59:38,585
the question that they're asked

1973
00:59:40,189 --> 00:59:40,923
about in addition to vehicles

1974
00:59:40,923 --> 00:59:41,591
is there requirement here to be

1975
00:59:41,591 --> 00:59:42,292
purchased or utilize certain

1976
00:59:42,292 --> 00:59:44,227
conditions vehicles or that it

1977
00:59:44,227 --> 00:59:45,280
is just the financing and

1978
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:45,561
the list to be able to separate

1979
00:59:45,561 --> 00:59:45,996
this item with just

1980
00:59:45,996 --> 00:59:47,996
the financing?

1981
00:59:50,330 --> 00:59:51,000
Okay.

1982
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,200
So then how are we going to

1983
00:59:55,538 --> 00:59:56,106
track who buys what and what

1984
00:59:56,106 --> 00:59:56,705
it's used for Because

1985
00:59:56,705 --> 00:59:57,407
the rental contract got

1986
00:59:57,407 --> 01:00:00,407
completely out of control and

1987
01:00:02,312 --> 01:00:02,646
I'm nervous for this one now to

1988
01:00:02,646 --> 01:00:03,479
get it.

1989
01:00:03,479 --> 01:00:04,915
We have Gina Davis from General

1990
01:00:04,915 --> 01:00:07,315
Services available to answer

1991
01:00:11,421 --> 01:00:13,421
this question.

1992
01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:18,395
Good afternoon Councilmember

1993
01:00:18,395 --> 01:00:18,995
Bond.

1994
01:00:18,995 --> 01:00:19,529
This is from the General

1995
01:00:19,529 --> 01:00:21,529
Services Department.

1996
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,600
I'm list of vehicles that we

1997
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:30,640
produced to put together in

1998
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,341
the financing agreement.

1999
01:00:31,341 --> 01:00:34,341
These were vehicles that were

2000
01:00:35,211 --> 01:00:36,460
purchased prior to the cda.

2001
01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:39,646
So these are vehicles that were

2002
01:00:40,216 --> 01:00:40,917
maybe purchased in the last 2

2003
01:00:40,917 --> 01:00:41,551
or 3 years that will be

2004
01:00:41,551 --> 01:00:41,918
arriving and eligible for

2005
01:00:41,918 --> 01:00:43,918
financing.

2006
01:00:46,523 --> 01:00:47,190
In terms of the these we do

2007
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:49,590
have 20 EVs on order.

2008
01:00:52,362 --> 01:00:52,929
That are set to arise in

2009
01:00:52,929 --> 01:00:55,929
the next year or two.

2010
01:00:58,334 --> 01:00:59,350
But we are carefully watching

2011
01:00:59,350 --> 01:00:59,403
the financial constraints that

2012
01:00:59,403 --> 01:01:00,103
you bring.

2013
01:01:00,103 --> 01:01:03,703
They tend to be more expensive

2014
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:04,875
than combustible engine

2015
01:01:04,875 --> 01:01:07,275
vehicles and their market

2016
01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:10,445
availability is also recently

2017
01:01:12,115 --> 01:01:12,949
constrained.

2018
01:01:12,949 --> 01:01:15,949
I hope that answers your

2019
01:01:18,889 --> 01:01:20,889
question.

2020
01:01:38,139 --> 01:01:40,139
Okay.

2021
01:02:23,327 --> 01:02:27,527
So is the list of vehicles in

2022
01:02:32,607 --> 01:02:32,757
the stack of materials the list

2023
01:02:32,757 --> 01:02:36,357
of vehicles I can produce for

2024
01:02:54,106 --> 01:02:57,448
you The list of vehicles that

2025
01:02:57,448 --> 01:02:57,628
we think will come in during

2026
01:02:57,628 --> 01:02:57,803
this financing period.

2027
01:02:57,803 --> 01:02:57,969
Again, these were purchased and

2028
01:02:57,969 --> 01:02:58,118
we believe that they will arise

2029
01:02:58,118 --> 01:02:58,277
during this financing period.

2030
01:02:58,277 --> 01:02:58,460
They could arise later.

2031
01:02:58,460 --> 01:02:58,635
In which case will they would

2032
01:02:58,635 --> 01:02:58,801
get on to the next master lease

2033
01:02:58,801 --> 01:02:58,967
agreement.

2034
01:02:58,967 --> 01:02:59,141
But I'm happy to produce what

2035
01:02:59,141 --> 01:02:59,297
we believe will will arrived in

2036
01:02:59,297 --> 01:02:59,451
this financing period.

2037
01:02:59,451 --> 01:02:59,613
Yeah, I think that would have

2038
01:02:59,613 --> 01:02:59,770
been helpful when we voted on

2039
01:02:59,770 --> 01:02:59,952
the financing to have a list of

2040
01:02:59,952 --> 01:03:00,131
what we're buying next to.

2041
01:03:00,131 --> 01:03:00,299
I know that these that

2042
01:03:00,299 --> 01:03:00,452
the purchases were made a while

2043
01:03:00,452 --> 01:03:00,602
ago because we don't pay for

2044
01:03:00,602 --> 01:03:00,752
them to be able to drive,

2045
01:03:00,752 --> 01:03:00,900
correct?

2046
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:01,560
Right.

2047
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:01,211
But it would have been helpful

2048
01:03:01,211 --> 01:03:01,369
to have that list matching up

2049
01:03:01,369 --> 01:03:01,522
with this item so we'd have to

2050
01:03:01,522 --> 01:03:01,674
go digging for it.

2051
01:03:01,674 --> 01:03:01,836
>> Okay.

2052
01:03:01,836 --> 01:03:01,998
Thank you for that feedback

2053
01:03:01,998 --> 01:03:02,161
Councilmember.

2054
01:03:02,161 --> 01:03:02,312
We did make an attempt to

2055
01:03:02,312 --> 01:03:02,460
summarize So just in terms of

2056
01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:02,640
the types of vehicles and also

2057
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:02,799
the way this agreement is set

2058
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:02,971
up, we do have the flexibility

2059
01:03:02,971 --> 01:03:03,141
to as Gina do did if these

2060
01:03:03,141 --> 01:03:03,301
specific vehicles don't come in

2061
01:03:03,301 --> 01:03:03,465
within that position period we

2062
01:03:03,465 --> 01:03:03,615
have the ability if there's

2063
01:03:03,615 --> 01:03:03,788
some other firetruck for

2064
01:03:03,788 --> 01:03:03,946
instance that comes in within

2065
01:03:03,946 --> 01:03:04,990
that 15 month period we have

2066
01:03:04,990 --> 01:03:04,252
the ability to finance that.

2067
01:03:04,252 --> 01:03:04,404
So I but I would take

2068
01:03:04,404 --> 01:03:04,555
the feedback but also we want

2069
01:03:04,555 --> 01:03:04,716
to be careful not to indicate

2070
01:03:04,716 --> 01:03:04,876
that this action is not

2071
01:03:04,876 --> 01:03:05,290
authorizing the vehicles

2072
01:03:05,290 --> 01:03:05,185
specifically that are being

2073
01:03:05,185 --> 01:03:05,396
financed.

2074
01:03:05,396 --> 01:03:06,950
This is just a financing

2075
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:09,950
agreement in a certain amount

2076
01:03:11,101 --> 01:03:11,402
not to exceed a certain amount

2077
01:03:11,402 --> 01:03:11,702
.

2078
01:03:11,702 --> 01:03:12,469
Okay.

2079
01:03:12,469 --> 01:03:16,690
Then what was the point of

2080
01:03:18,208 --> 01:03:18,909
the study showing which

2081
01:03:18,909 --> 01:03:19,576
vehicles were cheaper to rent

2082
01:03:19,576 --> 01:03:19,843
versus which were cheaper to

2083
01:03:19,843 --> 01:03:20,544
buy?

2084
01:03:20,544 --> 01:03:23,544
Are we comparing the vehicles

2085
01:03:23,847 --> 01:03:24,348
coming in to that study which

2086
01:03:24,348 --> 01:03:25,820
was very helpful?

2087
01:03:25,820 --> 01:03:25,815
Would it not be heard Today we

2088
01:03:25,815 --> 01:03:28,815
heard the Budget and Efficiency

2089
01:03:29,820 --> 01:03:31,820
Committee.

2090
01:03:36,693 --> 01:03:37,395
So if I if I could if I could

2091
01:03:37,395 --> 01:03:37,928
try and answer that question.

2092
01:03:37,928 --> 01:03:39,830
Councilmember Bond.

2093
01:03:39,830 --> 01:03:44,300
So the cda that you heard at

2094
01:03:46,336 --> 01:03:47,400
Budget Committee recently,

2095
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:47,671
those were that's a practice

2096
01:03:47,671 --> 01:03:51,271
that we are going to embark

2097
01:03:53,770 --> 01:03:53,477
upon for our purchases in

2098
01:03:53,477 --> 01:03:54,211
the future.

2099
01:03:54,211 --> 01:03:57,811
But again, as Jose noted, these

2100
01:03:58,482 --> 01:03:59,183
the vehicles that are being

2101
01:03:59,183 --> 01:03:59,951
financed as part of the 48.3

2102
01:03:59,951 --> 01:04:02,951
million are our vehicles that

2103
01:04:04,221 --> 01:04:04,888
we already ordered.

2104
01:04:04,888 --> 01:04:07,888
So we didn't have an

2105
01:04:10,261 --> 01:04:10,961
opportunity to take a look at

2106
01:04:10,961 --> 01:04:11,562
the cost benefit analysis for

2107
01:04:11,562 --> 01:04:13,562
these specific vehicles.

2108
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,599
But we will moving forward.

2109
01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:22,473
Okay.

2110
01:04:22,473 --> 01:04:24,473
All right.

2111
01:04:28,479 --> 01:04:29,246
I mean that's unfortunate but

2112
01:04:29,246 --> 01:04:30,113
I'm glad we are having a study

2113
01:04:30,113 --> 01:04:34,313
to see which is cheaper to rent

2114
01:04:34,451 --> 01:04:35,319
or buy for individual vehicle.

2115
01:04:35,319 --> 01:04:39,519
I have a finance question and I

2116
01:04:40,391 --> 01:04:41,250
have a contract in question So

2117
01:04:41,250 --> 01:04:41,726
with the interest rate it

2118
01:04:41,726 --> 01:04:44,726
the current Fed interest rate

2119
01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:47,950
right now on 3.5 5.75%.

2120
01:04:51,102 --> 01:04:51,803
Yes Councilmember these rates

2121
01:04:51,803 --> 01:04:52,503
are these interest rates are

2122
01:04:52,503 --> 01:04:55,503
derived from the Fed interest

2123
01:04:56,908 --> 01:04:57,475
rates and they speak to

2124
01:04:57,475 --> 01:04:58,760
the different terms of

2125
01:04:58,760 --> 01:04:58,442
the financing for these

2126
01:04:58,442 --> 01:05:00,442
vehicles.

2127
01:05:03,547 --> 01:05:04,115
So it's not exactly the same as

2128
01:05:04,115 --> 01:05:04,782
the Fed interest rate.

2129
01:05:04,782 --> 01:05:08,382
It's not exactly the same as

2130
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,210
the federal funds rate.

2131
01:05:10,210 --> 01:05:12,210
Yeah, understood.

2132
01:05:14,558 --> 01:05:15,159
But 7% is double the Fed

2133
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:17,559
interest rate right now.

2134
01:05:18,290 --> 01:05:18,895
So it's as we this wouldn't go

2135
01:05:18,895 --> 01:05:19,397
through but an even 6.9% I mean

2136
01:05:19,397 --> 01:05:20,264
that's ridiculous.

2137
01:05:20,264 --> 01:05:23,468
I wouldn't take a loan out for

2138
01:05:23,468 --> 01:05:24,201
that given the interest rate in

2139
01:05:24,201 --> 01:05:27,801
the three I can't remember that

2140
01:05:29,730 --> 01:05:29,774
is a not to exceed that we have

2141
01:05:29,774 --> 01:05:30,474
included in the ordinance it's

2142
01:05:30,474 --> 01:05:33,474
yes it's unlikely currently as

2143
01:05:35,790 --> 01:05:35,780
shown in the staff report,

2144
01:05:35,780 --> 01:05:36,313
the interest rates are ranging

2145
01:05:36,313 --> 01:05:38,313
between 3.5 and 4%.

2146
01:05:40,484 --> 01:05:41,219
That's what we are seeing

2147
01:05:41,219 --> 01:05:44,789
currently and I don't expect it

2148
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:45,323
to go up in the next 15 month

2149
01:05:45,323 --> 01:05:47,723
period up to the 7%.

2150
01:05:51,929 --> 01:05:52,664
But that's just legal not to

2151
01:05:52,664 --> 01:05:52,997
exceed for California state law

2152
01:05:52,997 --> 01:05:53,697
is 12%.

2153
01:05:53,697 --> 01:05:57,702
So we wanted to at least rein

2154
01:05:57,702 --> 01:06:01,902
it in and not just leave that

2155
01:06:03,373 --> 01:06:04,420
default rate maximum rate but

2156
01:06:04,420 --> 01:06:04,776
the current expectation your

2157
01:06:04,776 --> 01:06:08,376
rate is not expected to be 10%.

2158
01:06:09,347 --> 01:06:10,480
So why didn't you just put in

2159
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:10,648
the contract that it wouldn't

2160
01:06:10,648 --> 01:06:12,250
be above a point of

2161
01:06:12,250 --> 01:06:15,250
the interest rate the Fed

2162
01:06:19,223 --> 01:06:19,924
interest rate comes from above

2163
01:06:19,924 --> 01:06:24,124
us In the past six months with

2164
01:06:24,162 --> 01:06:24,863
all the market volatility

2165
01:06:24,863 --> 01:06:25,529
the interest rates have moved

2166
01:06:25,529 --> 01:06:28,529
significantly and if we cap

2167
01:06:31,302 --> 01:06:32,700
the interest rate at say 4%

2168
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:35,700
that could prevent us from

2169
01:06:36,708 --> 01:06:37,420
the financing when the vehicles

2170
01:06:37,420 --> 01:06:37,676
come in.

2171
01:06:37,676 --> 01:06:40,676
So it would be my

2172
01:06:42,147 --> 01:06:45,147
recommendation to give at least

2173
01:06:46,751 --> 01:06:47,352
some buffer in case interest

2174
01:06:47,352 --> 01:06:48,119
rates move up to 35%.

2175
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:51,719
We do have the ability under

2176
01:06:53,959 --> 01:06:54,626
this contract to after a year

2177
01:06:54,626 --> 01:06:55,260
to refund it at a lower

2178
01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:55,960
interest rate but it would

2179
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,960
still give us the flexibility

2180
01:06:59,430 --> 01:07:00,165
to finance the vehicles as they

2181
01:07:00,165 --> 01:07:00,865
come in because the alternative

2182
01:07:00,865 --> 01:07:01,532
to not financing the vehicles

2183
01:07:01,532 --> 01:07:04,735
when they come in is to pay

2184
01:07:04,735 --> 01:07:05,437
cash as noted, the vehicles

2185
01:07:05,437 --> 01:07:08,437
have already been ordered and

2186
01:07:11,175 --> 01:07:11,543
when they come we have to pay

2187
01:07:11,543 --> 01:07:12,310
for them.

2188
01:07:12,310 --> 01:07:13,440
So if if we are constrained

2189
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,444
severely constrained under this

2190
01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:17,682
financing agreement,

2191
01:07:17,682 --> 01:07:18,116
the alternative would be to

2192
01:07:18,116 --> 01:07:20,116
just pay cash.

2193
01:07:24,540 --> 01:07:24,523
So my question wasn't to set

2194
01:07:24,523 --> 01:07:25,289
the value at 4%.

2195
01:07:25,289 --> 01:07:26,257
My question is why don't I put

2196
01:07:26,257 --> 01:07:28,994
it in the could I hear you on

2197
01:07:28,994 --> 01:07:29,728
the interest rates are all over

2198
01:07:29,728 --> 01:07:30,461
the place because Washington dc

2199
01:07:30,461 --> 01:07:34,500
is totally nuts right now But I

2200
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:35,267
just I feel like this bank

2201
01:07:35,267 --> 01:07:35,700
could be taking advantage of us

2202
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:36,434
7% too much.

2203
01:07:36,434 --> 01:07:39,104
Why would the contract say

2204
01:07:39,104 --> 01:07:39,737
the interest rate will be set

2205
01:07:39,737 --> 01:07:40,238
within 1% whatever the Fed

2206
01:07:40,238 --> 01:07:40,839
interest rate is?

2207
01:07:40,839 --> 01:07:41,339
That's what I'm saying.

2208
01:07:41,339 --> 01:07:43,739
That will give you

2209
01:07:46,711 --> 01:07:47,446
the flexibility I keep with

2210
01:07:47,446 --> 01:07:48,460
the California state law as 12%

2211
01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:48,713
That is it seems like we

2212
01:07:48,713 --> 01:07:51,113
shouldn't be saying that

2213
01:07:51,449 --> 01:07:52,840
textually on interest So

2214
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:52,784
council member maybe I can

2215
01:07:52,784 --> 01:07:55,784
clarify how the interest rate

2216
01:07:57,890 --> 01:07:58,230
is calculated.

2217
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:58,390
The 7% is not provided to us by

2218
01:07:58,390 --> 01:08:00,390
the bank.

2219
01:08:03,995 --> 01:08:04,695
What is provided to us in

2220
01:08:04,695 --> 01:08:08,295
the bank's response to our rfp

2221
01:08:10,435 --> 01:08:11,169
is an index In this case it's

2222
01:08:11,169 --> 01:08:11,903
what's called the sofr which is

2223
01:08:11,903 --> 01:08:12,203
the secured overnight financing

2224
01:08:12,203 --> 01:08:14,203
rate.

2225
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:16,842
So for as shown in the staff

2226
01:08:16,842 --> 01:08:20,442
report for example they give us

2227
01:08:21,846 --> 01:08:22,547
an index in this case the sofr

2228
01:08:22,547 --> 01:08:26,147
and it's pegged to that index.

2229
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:29,221
So as of today or as of last

2230
01:08:29,221 --> 01:08:32,524
month when we wrote the staff

2231
01:08:32,524 --> 01:08:32,958
report based on the index it

2232
01:08:32,958 --> 01:08:34,958
was the 3.5%.

2233
01:08:36,995 --> 01:08:37,596
So fast forward six months If

2234
01:08:37,596 --> 01:08:38,196
there's some movement in

2235
01:08:38,196 --> 01:08:41,796
the index we MAY have an

2236
01:08:42,601 --> 01:08:43,568
effective interest rate of even

2237
01:08:43,568 --> 01:08:47,768
as low as 3% or it could be 4%.

2238
01:08:48,774 --> 01:08:51,774
It's tough recommendation to to

2239
01:08:54,246 --> 01:08:57,846
provide some of some safety net

2240
01:09:01,190 --> 01:09:01,720
for our fiscal planning that we

2241
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:02,487
if the interest rate and again

2242
01:09:02,487 --> 01:09:06,870
it's not at once we execute

2243
01:09:06,658 --> 01:09:07,359
this it's not really what

2244
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:08,126
the bank would say or do Right

2245
01:09:08,126 --> 01:09:11,726
If the market interest rates if

2246
01:09:13,310 --> 01:09:13,765
the sofr index goes up

2247
01:09:13,765 --> 01:09:16,765
significantly, we could have an

2248
01:09:17,435 --> 01:09:18,103
effective interest rate of 6%

2249
01:09:18,103 --> 01:09:21,103
or 6.5% And so it staff

2250
01:09:22,674 --> 01:09:23,442
recommendation that if interest

2251
01:09:23,442 --> 01:09:24,276
rates go up that significantly

2252
01:09:24,276 --> 01:09:28,476
that we would not be using this

2253
01:09:29,714 --> 01:09:30,416
financing tool and would try to

2254
01:09:30,416 --> 01:09:32,416
find alternatives effectively.

2255
01:09:34,887 --> 01:09:35,253
So the 7% is not the bank's

2256
01:09:35,253 --> 01:09:35,587
proposal.

2257
01:09:35,587 --> 01:09:37,587
Got it.

2258
01:09:41,927 --> 01:09:42,661
Okay.

2259
01:09:42,661 --> 01:09:43,362
I still think we could we

2260
01:09:43,362 --> 01:09:43,662
should capital lot lower than

2261
01:09:43,662 --> 01:09:45,662
that.

2262
01:09:46,999 --> 01:09:47,299
I thank you for clarifying that

2263
01:09:47,299 --> 01:09:48,000
.

2264
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,600
My last question is the harp

2265
01:09:52,671 --> 01:09:53,472
rental contract was absolutely

2266
01:09:53,472 --> 01:09:54,206
out of control in inappropriate

2267
01:09:54,206 --> 01:09:57,776
in and a model of how the city

2268
01:09:57,776 --> 01:09:58,510
shouldn't be spending money on

2269
01:09:58,510 --> 01:09:59,245
authorized So what are we doing

2270
01:09:59,245 --> 01:10:02,245
to prevent that from happening

2271
01:10:05,284 --> 01:10:09,484
again so I don't know what did

2272
01:10:22,268 --> 01:10:22,802
you know Again you are muted.

2273
01:10:22,802 --> 01:10:23,469
>> Oh, apologies.

2274
01:10:23,469 --> 01:10:26,469
Thank you for your question

2275
01:10:27,306 --> 01:10:27,973
Councilmember Bond wilpert

2276
01:10:27,973 --> 01:10:28,674
General Services along with

2277
01:10:28,674 --> 01:10:31,740
the purchasing and contracting

2278
01:10:33,611 --> 01:10:34,346
department are reviewing every

2279
01:10:34,346 --> 01:10:36,746
single purchase requisition and

2280
01:10:39,752 --> 01:10:40,452
that is coming through to

2281
01:10:40,452 --> 01:10:43,452
request rentals through part I

2282
01:10:45,925 --> 01:10:46,592
believed that a little bit of

2283
01:10:46,592 --> 01:10:47,293
that was talked about during

2284
01:10:47,293 --> 01:10:50,293
budget committee when the cba

2285
01:10:50,996 --> 01:10:51,764
was presented to the committee.

2286
01:10:51,764 --> 01:10:52,431
So we are monitoring that very

2287
01:10:52,431 --> 01:10:54,831
closely in partnership with

2288
01:10:58,370 --> 01:10:59,138
purchasing and contracting.

2289
01:10:59,138 --> 01:11:02,738
But I would defer to Claudio

2290
01:11:03,409 --> 01:11:04,760
Barcus for more details on on

2291
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,476
monitoring that contract And

2292
01:11:09,810 --> 01:11:12,952
for all of you here, I don't

2293
01:11:12,952 --> 01:11:13,352
believe she's here today.

2294
01:11:13,352 --> 01:11:13,753
All right.

2295
01:11:13,753 --> 01:11:15,753
Thank you.

2296
01:11:20,326 --> 01:11:20,926
Those are all my questions.

2297
01:11:20,926 --> 01:11:21,294
>> All right.

2298
01:11:21,294 --> 01:11:22,280
Thank you.

2299
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:22,628
Council member panel part We'll

2300
01:11:22,628 --> 01:11:22,962
go next to Councilmember

2301
01:11:22,962 --> 01:11:23,229
Foster.

2302
01:11:23,229 --> 01:11:25,229
Yes.

2303
01:11:25,431 --> 01:11:26,165
Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.

2304
01:11:26,165 --> 01:11:26,899
Thank you for the presentation.

2305
01:11:26,899 --> 01:11:30,499
I do understand that, you know

2306
01:11:32,205 --> 01:11:32,938
this is I must say pretty hurt

2307
01:11:32,938 --> 01:11:35,938
in the discussion we're having.

2308
01:11:37,310 --> 01:11:37,977
These were already in the queue

2309
01:11:37,977 --> 01:11:39,977
already ordered fabrication

2310
01:11:43,820 --> 01:11:43,782
moving forward and now which is

2311
01:11:43,782 --> 01:11:46,782
expecting I guess delivery of

2312
01:11:49,622 --> 01:11:50,356
set vehicles I do share in

2313
01:11:50,356 --> 01:11:53,956
the concern I'm actually even a

2314
01:11:54,827 --> 01:11:55,728
little more troubled in regards

2315
01:11:55,728 --> 01:11:59,328
to staff coming up with the 7%

2316
01:12:00,732 --> 01:12:01,400
I guess I'll call it a

2317
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,800
contingency because you are

2318
01:12:06,872 --> 01:12:07,540
the ones who make that

2319
01:12:07,540 --> 01:12:08,173
determination as to what is

2320
01:12:08,173 --> 01:12:10,573
acceptable and what's not.

2321
01:12:10,809 --> 01:12:11,544
And so I think it's signaling

2322
01:12:11,544 --> 01:12:12,278
that 87% increase is acceptable

2323
01:12:12,278 --> 01:12:15,278
which I think is creating

2324
01:12:17,150 --> 01:12:19,415
somewhat of the discomfort.

2325
01:12:22,355 --> 01:12:27,155
So I guess I would ask the city

2326
01:12:29,429 --> 01:12:33,290
attorney's in regards to what I

2327
01:12:34,901 --> 01:12:35,701
can find in regards to

2328
01:12:35,701 --> 01:12:38,701
the interest rates which as

2329
01:12:38,838 --> 01:12:39,439
the ordinance authorization

2330
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,839
permits rates up to 7%.

2331
01:12:45,450 --> 01:12:49,245
Can we pull that back in and

2332
01:12:49,515 --> 01:12:50,384
bring that number back down to

2333
01:12:50,384 --> 01:12:51,350
the 4.14% or to do it in I

2334
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:54,453
don't know what it gets us If

2335
01:12:54,453 --> 01:12:55,154
we say 1% over the feds deal to

2336
01:12:55,154 --> 01:12:58,754
move this forward And then if

2337
01:12:59,325 --> 01:13:00,940
there's anything that happens

2338
01:13:00,940 --> 01:13:00,727
you can provide us with a

2339
01:13:00,727 --> 01:13:03,127
written you know, provide

2340
01:13:05,598 --> 01:13:06,166
council PRESIDENT Or in

2341
01:13:06,166 --> 01:13:06,899
the members a written

2342
01:13:06,899 --> 01:13:09,899
memorandum if there's some type

2343
01:13:11,771 --> 01:13:12,505
of immediate action that we

2344
01:13:12,505 --> 01:13:13,139
need to do is that the council

2345
01:13:13,139 --> 01:13:15,539
get something docketed or

2346
01:13:16,276 --> 01:13:19,876
directed off if it's going to

2347
01:13:21,647 --> 01:13:22,516
impede said authorization.

2348
01:13:22,516 --> 01:13:25,516
I would ask Deputy City

2349
01:13:28,454 --> 01:13:29,155
Attorney Marguerite Minard if

2350
01:13:29,155 --> 01:13:29,889
she has an answer to that

2351
01:13:29,889 --> 01:13:33,325
question as she sits here today

2352
01:13:33,325 --> 01:13:33,927
or if that's something that we

2353
01:13:33,927 --> 01:13:34,260
would need to look into

2354
01:13:34,260 --> 01:13:34,928
further.

2355
01:13:34,928 --> 01:13:37,928
Thank you for the question,

2356
01:13:38,698 --> 01:13:39,432
Councilmember Yes, I can

2357
01:13:39,432 --> 01:13:42,432
definitely look at that further

2358
01:13:44,203 --> 01:13:44,937
and get back to you but the if

2359
01:13:44,937 --> 01:13:45,471
you if you're just asking about

2360
01:13:45,471 --> 01:13:46,172
changing the capping

2361
01:13:46,172 --> 01:13:49,172
the interest rate in ordinance

2362
01:13:52,578 --> 01:13:56,778
that can be done that can be

2363
01:13:58,417 --> 01:13:58,952
done today or do we need to

2364
01:13:58,952 --> 01:14:01,352
bring the item back?

2365
01:14:03,623 --> 01:14:04,324
I don't see any legal issues

2366
01:14:04,324 --> 01:14:04,991
with doing that today but I

2367
01:14:04,991 --> 01:14:08,591
would want to defer to staff

2368
01:14:08,961 --> 01:14:09,863
about other issues that that

2369
01:14:09,863 --> 01:14:12,263
might bring up with

2370
01:14:14,467 --> 01:14:15,268
the contract.

2371
01:14:15,268 --> 01:14:15,969
>> Councilmember if I could

2372
01:14:15,969 --> 01:14:20,169
jump in a little bit there, I

2373
01:14:20,607 --> 01:14:21,241
think it's probably within this

2374
01:14:21,241 --> 01:14:21,974
councilor and the front of

2375
01:14:21,974 --> 01:14:22,709
the city attorney obviously and

2376
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:24,710
whether or not it is but to set

2377
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:25,110
a cap on the interest rate for

2378
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:25,879
this.

2379
01:14:25,879 --> 01:14:30,790
That said, I do think that it's

2380
01:14:30,717 --> 01:14:31,451
worth having some additional

2381
01:14:31,451 --> 01:14:32,850
flexibility beyond just that 4%

2382
01:14:32,850 --> 01:14:35,850
as you've heard from Jose.

2383
01:14:35,622 --> 01:14:36,550
That's secured overnight rates.

2384
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:36,923
They can vary.

2385
01:14:36,923 --> 01:14:37,357
They can go up and down pretty

2386
01:14:37,357 --> 01:14:39,357
significantly.

2387
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:40,861
The 7% kind of cap that you

2388
01:14:40,861 --> 01:14:41,528
have right now is the point at

2389
01:14:41,528 --> 01:14:43,928
which your debt management

2390
01:14:45,599 --> 01:14:46,266
staff and I think appropriately

2391
01:14:46,266 --> 01:14:46,900
telling you that's the point

2392
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:47,633
where we will try to find

2393
01:14:47,633 --> 01:14:50,330
another mechanism for financing

2394
01:14:50,971 --> 01:14:51,675
these vehicle purchases.

2395
01:14:51,675 --> 01:14:52,406
Those payments are coming down

2396
01:14:52,406 --> 01:14:55,406
when the vehicles are delivered

2397
01:14:55,642 --> 01:14:56,509
period.

2398
01:14:56,509 --> 01:14:57,177
The 7% is really more for our

2399
01:14:57,177 --> 01:15:00,177
own internal planning that I

2400
01:15:01,181 --> 01:15:01,848
think it is signaling a bank

2401
01:15:01,848 --> 01:15:02,516
the interest rates that they

2402
01:15:02,516 --> 01:15:05,516
can charge off our standard

2403
01:15:05,952 --> 01:15:06,652
overnight rate of 3.5% and

2404
01:15:06,652 --> 01:15:07,187
the bank is saying we're going

2405
01:15:07,187 --> 01:15:07,887
to charge you 6.5%.

2406
01:15:07,887 --> 01:15:10,856
I suspect that you would also

2407
01:15:10,856 --> 01:15:11,124
hear the city saying no you're

2408
01:15:11,124 --> 01:15:11,825
not.

2409
01:15:11,825 --> 01:15:12,459
Our contract is actually tied

2410
01:15:12,459 --> 01:15:15,459
to looking at the standard

2411
01:15:15,762 --> 01:15:16,596
overnight financing rate.

2412
01:15:16,596 --> 01:15:17,960
But honestly I'm happy to pitch

2413
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:17,798
that back over to

2414
01:15:17,798 --> 01:15:18,497
the Department of Finance And

2415
01:15:18,497 --> 01:15:22,970
generally if you wanted to add

2416
01:15:23,136 --> 01:15:23,837
anything more I'm sorry and I

2417
01:15:23,837 --> 01:15:26,837
appreciate that Charles, but I

2418
01:15:28,742 --> 01:15:29,409
think conversation that's been

2419
01:15:29,409 --> 01:15:30,277
ahead of the day is is just

2420
01:15:30,277 --> 01:15:33,877
making sure we have some fiscal

2421
01:15:36,783 --> 01:15:37,851
responsibility And I think any

2422
01:15:37,851 --> 01:15:41,451
I'm not going to sign on

2423
01:15:41,922 --> 01:15:45,522
the car note at 7% I'll take

2424
01:15:46,994 --> 01:15:50,594
the trolley so I think that's

2425
01:15:51,632 --> 01:15:52,399
the I think that's the concern

2426
01:15:52,399 --> 01:15:52,999
that you're having now How do

2427
01:15:52,999 --> 01:15:55,999
we make sure we have

2428
01:15:57,437 --> 01:15:58,105
accountability and control?

2429
01:15:58,105 --> 01:16:01,705
Not so much a the bank

2430
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:02,609
understands this but it's a

2431
01:16:02,609 --> 01:16:03,310
double edged sword.

2432
01:16:03,310 --> 01:16:06,310
We're giving staff the ability

2433
01:16:06,947 --> 01:16:10,918
to go as high as 7% which you

2434
01:16:10,918 --> 01:16:11,617
know water follows the least

2435
01:16:11,617 --> 01:16:12,252
the path of least resistance

2436
01:16:12,252 --> 01:16:12,919
with the caveat that those

2437
01:16:12,919 --> 01:16:15,319
vehicles are already ordered

2438
01:16:15,622 --> 01:16:16,230
and pending delivery.

2439
01:16:16,230 --> 01:16:16,890
Right.

2440
01:16:16,890 --> 01:16:21,900
So what does that have to do

2441
01:16:21,694 --> 01:16:22,462
with the interest rate vehicles

2442
01:16:22,462 --> 01:16:23,397
need to be paid for that?

2443
01:16:23,397 --> 01:16:25,966
What does it have to do with

2444
01:16:25,966 --> 01:16:26,633
the interest rate?

2445
01:16:26,633 --> 01:16:27,334
Well, first of all, dollars

2446
01:16:27,334 --> 01:16:31,305
need to go out the door when

2447
01:16:31,305 --> 01:16:32,390
the vehicle for the lever to so

2448
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:32,873
paying cash up front We haven't

2449
01:16:32,873 --> 01:16:35,809
budgeted on an ongoing basis to

2450
01:16:35,809 --> 01:16:36,510
be paying for for paying for

2451
01:16:36,510 --> 01:16:40,110
vehicles in cash on an ongoing

2452
01:16:40,447 --> 01:16:41,810
basis which means without that

2453
01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:41,782
money we cannot reimburse

2454
01:16:41,782 --> 01:16:44,782
ourselves for that money which

2455
01:16:45,218 --> 01:16:45,853
means that there are other

2456
01:16:45,853 --> 01:16:46,553
vehicle purchases or other

2457
01:16:46,553 --> 01:16:47,187
services that would have to be

2458
01:16:47,187 --> 01:16:50,187
pulled back at that point.

2459
01:16:50,224 --> 01:16:50,523
So I'm not I'm not disputing

2460
01:16:50,523 --> 01:16:52,523
that.

2461
01:16:54,962 --> 01:16:55,528
I'm just simply asking

2462
01:16:55,528 --> 01:16:56,230
the question what does

2463
01:16:56,230 --> 01:16:59,830
the purchase price have to do

2464
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:00,700
with the interest rate If you

2465
01:17:00,700 --> 01:17:03,637
already know your fire engines

2466
01:17:03,637 --> 01:17:04,405
are already going to be at 7%?

2467
01:17:04,405 --> 01:17:08,500
Is that what we're saying or

2468
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:12,546
our our fancy gtx Mustangs are

2469
01:17:12,546 --> 01:17:14,946
going to be at 7%.

2470
01:17:17,618 --> 01:17:18,151
What are we I'm lost Cost of

2471
01:17:18,151 --> 01:17:18,552
the vehicles cost of

2472
01:17:18,552 --> 01:17:19,286
the vehicle.

2473
01:17:19,286 --> 01:17:22,286
We're talking about an interest

2474
01:17:22,623 --> 01:17:23,324
rate councilmember if I MAY

2475
01:17:23,324 --> 01:17:25,724
clarify logistically since for

2476
01:17:26,527 --> 01:17:30,127
an example of one fire truck

2477
01:17:30,664 --> 01:17:31,565
that's say 5 million if it were

2478
01:17:31,565 --> 01:17:35,165
supposed to be financed We have

2479
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:36,704
because it's going to be

2480
01:17:36,704 --> 01:17:39,704
financed We have not budgeted

2481
01:17:40,541 --> 01:17:40,941
the 5 million to be paid out to

2482
01:17:40,941 --> 01:17:41,509
the vendor.

2483
01:17:41,509 --> 01:17:43,909
We have only budgeted

2484
01:17:45,312 --> 01:17:47,712
the interest cost of

2485
01:17:50,484 --> 01:17:51,285
the 250,000 And as an example

2486
01:17:51,285 --> 01:17:54,588
I'm just this is not hard

2487
01:17:54,588 --> 01:17:55,289
numbers say if the 250,000 was

2488
01:17:55,289 --> 01:17:58,289
based on a 3.5% interest rate

2489
01:17:58,893 --> 01:18:02,493
and the interest rate goes up

2490
01:18:03,597 --> 01:18:03,897
to 7%, the interest cost will

2491
01:18:03,897 --> 01:18:05,897
go up.

2492
01:18:08,235 --> 01:18:09,200
But we if if this Mattingly's

2493
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,602
was capped at 4%, we would not

2494
01:18:13,173 --> 01:18:14,410
have the ability we would have

2495
01:18:14,410 --> 01:18:14,742
to come up with 5 million to

2496
01:18:14,742 --> 01:18:17,912
pay in this fiscal year which

2497
01:18:17,912 --> 01:18:18,646
is not in the budget.

2498
01:18:18,646 --> 01:18:21,460
So that's the practical

2499
01:18:22,850 --> 01:18:23,550
consequence And just as staff

2500
01:18:23,550 --> 01:18:26,550
in terms of the recommendation

2501
01:18:27,788 --> 01:18:32,426
it was it is a balancing act If

2502
01:18:32,426 --> 01:18:33,600
we have this interest capped at

2503
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,460
12% we we understand that

2504
01:18:37,164 --> 01:18:37,832
that's you know, we are we are

2505
01:18:37,832 --> 01:18:38,366
communicating that we would

2506
01:18:38,366 --> 01:18:40,766
finance this even if

2507
01:18:41,869 --> 01:18:42,169
the interest rate rates were

2508
01:18:42,169 --> 01:18:44,169
11.9.

2509
01:18:46,607 --> 01:18:50,807
But on the other side we are

2510
01:18:51,245 --> 01:18:51,946
also trying to predict

2511
01:18:51,946 --> 01:18:52,647
the situation of having to pay

2512
01:18:52,647 --> 01:18:53,140
cash and not have a financing

2513
01:18:53,140 --> 01:18:55,140
in place.

2514
01:18:55,983 --> 01:18:56,317
So it's the balancing between

2515
01:18:56,317 --> 01:18:56,783
the two.

2516
01:18:56,783 --> 01:18:57,617
>> I understand.

2517
01:18:57,617 --> 01:19:01,217
So my to what you are

2518
01:19:01,322 --> 01:19:03,722
indicating you have 7% in

2519
01:19:05,759 --> 01:19:06,527
the budget across the board

2520
01:19:06,527 --> 01:19:07,261
The up at this point they are

2521
01:19:07,261 --> 01:19:10,261
all projections because this is

2522
01:19:10,565 --> 01:19:11,165
all subject to appropriations

2523
01:19:11,165 --> 01:19:13,565
currently based on this

2524
01:19:15,569 --> 01:19:17,969
timeline These lease payments

2525
01:19:20,974 --> 01:19:21,642
will most likely or I'm pretty

2526
01:19:21,642 --> 01:19:24,642
sure that it's scheduled to

2527
01:19:24,846 --> 01:19:25,279
trigger only from fiscal year

2528
01:19:25,279 --> 01:19:26,214
28.

2529
01:19:26,214 --> 01:19:28,516
These would not have an impact

2530
01:19:28,516 --> 01:19:28,884
on fiscal 27.

2531
01:19:28,884 --> 01:19:29,182
>> Okay.

2532
01:19:29,182 --> 01:19:31,182
Yes.

2533
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:34,822
So that that is so I, I also as

2534
01:19:34,822 --> 01:19:37,822
I indicated before, that really

2535
01:19:38,459 --> 01:19:39,160
just gives us time to to find

2536
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,760
another mechanism or if we are

2537
01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:47,300
forced to pay if the market is

2538
01:19:47,835 --> 01:19:48,603
so crazy on one day and that we

2539
01:19:48,603 --> 01:19:52,803
are forced to lock in at say

2540
01:19:53,241 --> 01:19:54,107
6.9% we MAY be we MAY be forced

2541
01:19:54,107 --> 01:19:56,678
to pay that lease payment in

2542
01:19:56,678 --> 01:19:57,445
fiscal 28 but that will give us

2543
01:19:57,445 --> 01:20:00,445
time to refinance, find other

2544
01:20:01,349 --> 01:20:02,150
mechanisms so that that's not

2545
01:20:02,150 --> 01:20:02,550
we are not locked in for

2546
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:04,550
the remaining lease.

2547
01:20:09,230 --> 01:20:09,335
So this gives us that option.

2548
01:20:09,335 --> 01:20:09,857
Okay.

2549
01:20:09,857 --> 01:20:11,857
I appreciate that.

2550
01:20:14,128 --> 01:20:14,796
I was trying to get you there a

2551
01:20:14,796 --> 01:20:15,296
pause and turn it over to

2552
01:20:15,296 --> 01:20:15,663
the next council.

2553
01:20:15,663 --> 01:20:17,663
Thank you.

2554
01:20:19,367 --> 01:20:20,101
All right.

2555
01:20:20,101 --> 01:20:20,769
Councilmember Foster will go to

2556
01:20:20,769 --> 01:20:23,169
next to Councilmember Ella

2557
01:20:32,780 --> 01:20:33,481
Rivera and I did I was I was We

2558
01:20:33,481 --> 01:20:36,584
still have a motion right now.

2559
01:20:36,584 --> 01:20:38,584
A motion?

2560
01:20:46,628 --> 01:20:47,494
Yeah.

2561
01:20:47,494 --> 01:20:48,363
Okay So what I want to say

2562
01:20:48,363 --> 01:20:51,963
thank you to my colleagues for

2563
01:20:52,330 --> 01:20:52,333
raising the questions that were

2564
01:20:52,333 --> 01:20:54,333
asked.

2565
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:56,905
I think it's a bunch of things

2566
01:20:56,905 --> 01:21:00,842
that are going on here at once.

2567
01:21:00,842 --> 01:21:01,476
So we have concerns about

2568
01:21:01,476 --> 01:21:05,760
the way that the city has

2569
01:21:05,413 --> 01:21:06,180
approached leasing versus

2570
01:21:06,180 --> 01:21:06,648
purchasing and the lack of a

2571
01:21:06,648 --> 01:21:08,648
strategy there.

2572
01:21:11,118 --> 01:21:11,886
The additional cost, the big

2573
01:21:11,886 --> 01:21:15,486
picture that that has meant for

2574
01:21:16,257 --> 01:21:17,250
the city and I'll just say that

2575
01:21:17,250 --> 01:21:20,228
in my mind it's a classic

2576
01:21:20,228 --> 01:21:23,228
example of the superficial way

2577
01:21:24,666 --> 01:21:25,367
that the city approached fiscal

2578
01:21:25,367 --> 01:21:27,367
conservatism or responsibility

2579
01:21:33,742 --> 01:21:36,742
in previous eras saving a

2580
01:21:36,778 --> 01:21:37,746
dollar Now that will end up

2581
01:21:37,746 --> 01:21:40,746
costing us $10 or $20 even more

2582
01:21:41,615 --> 01:21:42,317
down the road.

2583
01:21:42,317 --> 01:21:43,840
I also understand that, you

2584
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,840
know, these are vehicles that

2585
01:21:46,588 --> 01:21:46,988
have been purchased.

2586
01:21:46,988 --> 01:21:47,923
I do.

2587
01:21:47,923 --> 01:21:51,259
I think And Charles, maybe you

2588
01:21:51,259 --> 01:21:55,459
can speak to this this is more

2589
01:21:57,833 --> 01:21:58,600
of a forward looking question.

2590
01:21:58,600 --> 01:21:59,467
This comes comes at us

2591
01:21:59,467 --> 01:22:02,904
piecemeal And as a result I

2592
01:22:02,904 --> 01:22:07,104
think as it is the council by

2593
01:22:07,509 --> 01:22:08,209
the end of that process it it's

2594
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:11,209
it's like it's more difficult

2595
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:12,583
to make the decision and that's

2596
01:22:12,583 --> 01:22:15,583
not good for anyone involved.

2597
01:22:16,617 --> 01:22:17,319
And so I'm wondering if you can

2598
01:22:17,319 --> 01:22:20,919
if you have ideas about ways

2599
01:22:21,656 --> 01:22:22,323
where these sort of items are

2600
01:22:22,323 --> 01:22:25,923
or actions I should say are

2601
01:22:26,595 --> 01:22:27,362
brought to us more holistic

2602
01:22:27,362 --> 01:22:30,962
early is that is that feasible

2603
01:22:31,699 --> 01:22:32,167
in your mind in some ways

2604
01:22:32,167 --> 01:22:32,867
potentially yes.

2605
01:22:32,867 --> 01:22:33,534
Moving forward, I do want to

2606
01:22:33,534 --> 01:22:35,934
acknowledge the headwinds of

2607
01:22:36,905 --> 01:22:37,606
both debt management and fleet

2608
01:22:37,606 --> 01:22:38,390
have been facing over the last

2609
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:40,390
several years.

2610
01:22:40,909 --> 01:22:41,610
First you go back 4 or 5 years

2611
01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:42,376
and sorry maybe a few more

2612
01:22:42,376 --> 01:22:45,414
years than that and the city

2613
01:22:45,414 --> 01:22:46,480
did actually switch its

2614
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:46,715
approach from cash funding

2615
01:22:46,715 --> 01:22:47,316
the purchase of vehicles to

2616
01:22:47,316 --> 01:22:49,316
essentially debt funding

2617
01:22:50,819 --> 01:22:51,486
the purchasing vehicles And I

2618
01:22:51,486 --> 01:22:52,187
while this is a master lease

2619
01:22:52,187 --> 01:22:52,820
agreement, I want to be clear

2620
01:22:52,820 --> 01:22:54,956
This is the financing for

2621
01:22:54,956 --> 01:22:55,456
vehicles that are being

2622
01:22:55,456 --> 01:22:56,224
purchased, right?

2623
01:22:56,224 --> 01:22:59,824
>> So that moves things to kind

2624
01:22:59,828 --> 01:23:00,162
of the financing being in

2625
01:23:00,162 --> 01:23:02,162
arrears.

2626
01:23:04,666 --> 01:23:05,334
We do have where we should also

2627
01:23:05,334 --> 01:23:06,670
recognize that over the last

2628
01:23:06,670 --> 01:23:09,670
three years the time difference

2629
01:23:09,505 --> 01:23:10,138
between when an order was put

2630
01:23:10,138 --> 01:23:10,706
in and when a vehicle was

2631
01:23:10,706 --> 01:23:11,339
delivered grew pretty

2632
01:23:11,339 --> 01:23:11,974
significantly and now it's

2633
01:23:11,974 --> 01:23:13,809
starting to shrink again.

2634
01:23:13,809 --> 01:23:14,443
So we are dealing with some

2635
01:23:14,443 --> 01:23:16,843
larger kind of contextual

2636
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:18,914
headwinds that would have made

2637
01:23:18,914 --> 01:23:19,515
that more difficult over

2638
01:23:19,515 --> 01:23:20,149
the last several years.

2639
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:23,149
That said, is there an

2640
01:23:23,752 --> 01:23:26,752
opportunity to look at vehicle

2641
01:23:28,190 --> 01:23:28,856
purchases at the same time that

2642
01:23:28,856 --> 01:23:29,558
we're looking at financing?

2643
01:23:29,558 --> 01:23:30,326
I guess potentially you know,

2644
01:23:30,326 --> 01:23:33,562
usually we will be looking at

2645
01:23:33,562 --> 01:23:34,196
the needs for additional

2646
01:23:34,196 --> 01:23:34,896
vehicles when we are going

2647
01:23:34,896 --> 01:23:35,597
through the budget process and

2648
01:23:35,597 --> 01:23:38,334
they can also come in on an ad

2649
01:23:38,334 --> 01:23:42,534
hoc basis as well tying that to

2650
01:23:43,271 --> 01:23:44,390
a financing mechanism I suppose

2651
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:44,773
is fine but at some point you

2652
01:23:44,773 --> 01:23:48,430
are still going to have to have

2653
01:23:48,430 --> 01:23:48,777
in all likelihood an annual

2654
01:23:48,777 --> 01:23:49,344
master lease agreement if we're

2655
01:23:49,344 --> 01:23:50,110
going to continue debt

2656
01:23:50,110 --> 01:23:51,814
financing vehicle purchases

2657
01:23:51,814 --> 01:23:52,781
it's going to come for you and

2658
01:23:52,781 --> 01:23:55,781
essentially loop all of those

2659
01:23:57,218 --> 01:23:57,987
together.

2660
01:23:57,987 --> 01:23:58,754
There is both value in being

2661
01:23:58,754 --> 01:24:02,190
able to say these are the exact

2662
01:24:02,190 --> 01:24:02,958
vehicles we want to purchase so

2663
01:24:02,958 --> 01:24:03,626
that you can say this is what

2664
01:24:03,626 --> 01:24:06,561
this debt will fund And then

2665
01:24:06,561 --> 01:24:07,263
there's also real value in what

2666
01:24:07,263 --> 01:24:07,863
you heard the Department of

2667
01:24:07,863 --> 01:24:08,564
Finance say We want some

2668
01:24:08,564 --> 01:24:10,564
additional flexibility because

2669
01:24:11,567 --> 01:24:11,899
delivery dates change need

2670
01:24:11,899 --> 01:24:12,635
change.

2671
01:24:12,635 --> 01:24:16,235
Our order dates change as well.

2672
01:24:17,173 --> 01:24:17,840
So is there a way to

2673
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,840
consolidate these and have a

2674
01:24:21,544 --> 01:24:22,440
more holistic discussion Tend

2675
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:22,912
to Typically yes.

2676
01:24:22,912 --> 01:24:24,814
But I don't know if you are

2677
01:24:24,814 --> 01:24:25,681
able to ever do everything in

2678
01:24:25,681 --> 01:24:29,881
just one day or in one action

2679
01:24:33,956 --> 01:24:34,656
for sure and then theoretically

2680
01:24:34,656 --> 01:24:37,560
the flexibility is still

2681
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:39,695
regulated by the budget and

2682
01:24:39,695 --> 01:24:42,950
what we've budgeted for.

2683
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:45,990
But this is where it gets a

2684
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:48,504
little bit squishy Even in my

2685
01:24:48,504 --> 01:24:49,238
mind we can budget for amounts

2686
01:24:49,238 --> 01:24:49,838
total amounts but there's still

2687
01:24:49,838 --> 01:24:52,838
a lot of flexibility for

2688
01:24:53,542 --> 01:24:54,443
the mayor within those amounts

2689
01:24:54,443 --> 01:24:57,443
And and so the constraints

2690
01:24:58,680 --> 01:24:59,381
within an action like this do

2691
01:24:59,381 --> 01:25:02,381
become a little bit more

2692
01:25:06,456 --> 01:25:07,223
important or I, I think that

2693
01:25:07,223 --> 01:25:10,823
maybe kind of bringing in a

2694
01:25:11,460 --> 01:25:12,600
separate line of conversation

2695
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:12,695
because the execution of

2696
01:25:12,695 --> 01:25:15,695
the budget where there are

2697
01:25:16,532 --> 01:25:17,199
there's maybe more flexibility

2698
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:17,934
on the mayor side and there

2699
01:25:17,934 --> 01:25:18,534
should be and then there's just

2700
01:25:18,534 --> 01:25:20,669
the actual financing of

2701
01:25:20,669 --> 01:25:21,470
vehicles not being presented to

2702
01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:22,400
you And my mind is really just

2703
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,400
the financing side.

2704
01:25:25,340 --> 01:25:26,800
So totally I think what I'm

2705
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:26,642
going with that is language

2706
01:25:26,642 --> 01:25:27,777
that speaks to the mayor's

2707
01:25:27,777 --> 01:25:30,177
authority or the ceo's

2708
01:25:33,820 --> 01:25:33,849
authority the flexibility

2709
01:25:33,849 --> 01:25:36,849
that's there the some of

2710
01:25:37,453 --> 01:25:38,154
the guardrails that we would

2711
01:25:38,154 --> 01:25:41,154
like to think are applied

2712
01:25:42,758 --> 01:25:43,526
through the budget.

2713
01:25:43,526 --> 01:25:44,326
>> They're there in terms of

2714
01:25:44,326 --> 01:25:47,326
totals and not necessarily some

2715
01:25:47,563 --> 01:25:48,264
of the specifics.

2716
01:25:48,264 --> 01:25:48,998
I think what I'm what I'm

2717
01:25:48,998 --> 01:25:49,599
getting at is I think all of

2718
01:25:49,599 --> 01:25:51,999
these things are running

2719
01:25:52,268 --> 01:25:54,437
together and what we have is a

2720
01:25:54,437 --> 01:25:58,370
mess for dogs to navigate right

2721
01:25:58,875 --> 01:25:59,642
now.

2722
01:25:59,642 --> 01:26:00,208
>> So kind of building off

2723
01:26:00,208 --> 01:26:02,608
the questions that my

2724
01:26:09,852 --> 01:26:12,252
colleagues asked there's is

2725
01:26:15,958 --> 01:26:16,592
there a sweet spot here that

2726
01:26:16,592 --> 01:26:17,326
doesn't feel like you'd be

2727
01:26:17,326 --> 01:26:20,926
having like your hands would be

2728
01:26:22,432 --> 01:26:23,232
tied in a way that would be

2729
01:26:23,232 --> 01:26:25,632
impractical but also address

2730
01:26:27,303 --> 01:26:28,170
the council's concerns about

2731
01:26:28,170 --> 01:26:31,770
this being not a blank check

2732
01:26:32,875 --> 01:26:34,610
but a check with with more with

2733
01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:38,210
much more latitude And it feels

2734
01:26:39,782 --> 01:26:40,483
like we're prepared to give

2735
01:26:40,483 --> 01:26:40,850
consumer Thank you for that

2736
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:42,850
question.

2737
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:45,688
If I could just reframe

2738
01:26:45,688 --> 01:26:46,255
the discussion a little bit

2739
01:26:46,255 --> 01:26:48,655
when we're looking at

2740
01:26:49,892 --> 01:26:50,493
the interest rate that staff is

2741
01:26:50,493 --> 01:26:53,493
is providing in terms of

2742
01:26:54,263 --> 01:26:54,964
whether we have 4% or 7% not to

2743
01:26:54,964 --> 01:26:55,632
oversimplify but the interest

2744
01:26:55,632 --> 01:26:55,931
rate is really the price of

2745
01:26:55,931 --> 01:26:56,232
money.

2746
01:26:56,232 --> 01:26:58,232
Right?

2747
01:26:59,669 --> 01:27:00,536
And it depends on the economy

2748
01:27:00,536 --> 01:27:04,136
is doing If for example during

2749
01:27:04,674 --> 01:27:05,375
covid the interest rates went

2750
01:27:05,375 --> 01:27:07,375
up significantly really

2751
01:27:09,545 --> 01:27:10,279
significantly But normally

2752
01:27:10,279 --> 01:27:10,913
they'll be hovering around that

2753
01:27:10,913 --> 01:27:13,313
4% that we've been talking

2754
01:27:13,850 --> 01:27:14,616
about If there's high inflation

2755
01:27:14,616 --> 01:27:15,318
interest rates will go up But

2756
01:27:15,318 --> 01:27:18,354
we will also benefit from that

2757
01:27:18,354 --> 01:27:19,890
when we invest in our pool.

2758
01:27:19,890 --> 01:27:19,621
So this is all economically,

2759
01:27:19,621 --> 01:27:22,210
you know, driven by

2760
01:27:23,125 --> 01:27:23,927
the economics So it's not I

2761
01:27:23,927 --> 01:27:24,660
mean the 7% is just a guardrail

2762
01:27:24,660 --> 01:27:28,364
to make sure that to the extent

2763
01:27:28,364 --> 01:27:29,320
things really go out of whack

2764
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,320
that there is an opportunity

2765
01:27:32,935 --> 01:27:33,569
for us to basically pull out

2766
01:27:33,569 --> 01:27:33,870
from from this agreement.

2767
01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:34,170
Right.

2768
01:27:34,170 --> 01:27:34,938
Right.

2769
01:27:34,938 --> 01:27:38,400
So but I guess from listening

2770
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:38,908
to my colleagues, we want a

2771
01:27:38,908 --> 01:27:42,312
guardrail And that seems to be

2772
01:27:42,312 --> 01:27:43,460
that feeling is that

2773
01:27:43,460 --> 01:27:46,646
the guardrails are too wide and

2774
01:27:46,683 --> 01:27:47,584
should be brought in a bit

2775
01:27:47,584 --> 01:27:48,251
because 7% is is not a number

2776
01:27:48,251 --> 01:27:50,651
that we're comfortable with

2777
01:27:52,689 --> 01:27:53,356
recognize And again that this

2778
01:27:53,356 --> 01:27:54,240
has been budgeted for These

2779
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,424
vehicles have been purchased

2780
01:27:57,127 --> 01:27:58,600
all all of those things remain

2781
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,665
a fact And I think what I'm

2782
01:28:01,665 --> 01:28:02,299
hearing my colleague say is

2783
01:28:02,299 --> 01:28:02,999
there's a certain point at

2784
01:28:02,999 --> 01:28:05,999
which the interest rate would

2785
01:28:06,736 --> 01:28:07,437
be so high then it'd be worth

2786
01:28:07,437 --> 01:28:11,370
us stepping back for a second

2787
01:28:11,575 --> 01:28:12,475
and saying is to do we just

2788
01:28:12,475 --> 01:28:16,546
want to pay cash and then deal

2789
01:28:16,546 --> 01:28:17,130
with the consequence of that

2790
01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:17,814
come with that.

2791
01:28:17,814 --> 01:28:21,170
That MAY not be realistic and a

2792
01:28:21,170 --> 01:28:21,817
decision that we would wrestle

2793
01:28:21,817 --> 01:28:24,817
with and ultimately come to

2794
01:28:25,210 --> 01:28:25,755
the conclusion that 7% is not

2795
01:28:25,755 --> 01:28:26,455
something that we like but it's

2796
01:28:26,455 --> 01:28:28,855
better than the alternatives.

2797
01:28:30,930 --> 01:28:30,760
But it doesn't sound like 7% is

2798
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:31,361
a place where the council's

2799
01:28:31,361 --> 01:28:33,361
comfortable going today.

2800
01:28:34,598 --> 01:28:35,265
So where's the sweet spot again

2801
01:28:35,265 --> 01:28:38,265
between where we think it's

2802
01:28:38,401 --> 01:28:39,202
going to be the anticipated

2803
01:28:39,202 --> 01:28:41,602
3.91 to 4.14 If I'm reading

2804
01:28:43,273 --> 01:28:43,940
that correctly and the 7% which

2805
01:28:43,940 --> 01:28:47,540
sounds like it's too high in

2806
01:28:48,377 --> 01:28:49,120
the eyes of my colleagues and I

2807
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:49,446
completely understand why.

2808
01:28:49,446 --> 01:28:51,446
>> Understood.

2809
01:28:52,381 --> 01:28:53,830
And maybe one way to look at

2810
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:56,830
this would be historically for

2811
01:28:56,319 --> 01:28:57,870
these types of interest rates

2812
01:28:57,870 --> 01:28:57,854
we could provide you with what

2813
01:28:57,854 --> 01:29:01,454
that can look like because I

2814
01:29:01,657 --> 01:29:05,257
would assume that for the most

2815
01:29:07,497 --> 01:29:08,464
part they've been around that

2816
01:29:08,464 --> 01:29:09,332
4% 5% I don't And if you have

2817
01:29:09,332 --> 01:29:10,567
that off the top of your head

2818
01:29:10,567 --> 01:29:14,767
or I would say that is correct

2819
01:29:15,105 --> 01:29:15,806
in my recollection I don't

2820
01:29:15,806 --> 01:29:16,506
think under this equipment and

2821
01:29:16,506 --> 01:29:18,906
vehicle financing programs we

2822
01:29:20,644 --> 01:29:24,244
have executed a lease that has

2823
01:29:24,981 --> 01:29:26,716
had an interest rate of more

2824
01:29:26,716 --> 01:29:29,716
than 5% as my recollection as

2825
01:29:32,189 --> 01:29:33,156
our recommendation.

2826
01:29:33,156 --> 01:29:37,294
>> I think if you dial back a

2827
01:29:37,294 --> 01:29:38,950
few years I think this cap was

2828
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:41,695
6% in the past two years when

2829
01:29:42,633 --> 01:29:43,266
we saw the interest rate move

2830
01:29:43,266 --> 01:29:46,266
in the upward direction we

2831
01:29:46,603 --> 01:29:47,370
bumped this up.

2832
01:29:47,370 --> 01:29:50,970
I mean sitting here today I

2833
01:29:51,740 --> 01:29:51,742
would say I think I would be

2834
01:29:51,742 --> 01:29:54,142
reasonably comfortable if we

2835
01:29:57,470 --> 01:30:00,470
pushed us down back to 6%.

2836
01:30:02,386 --> 01:30:03,186
Okay.

2837
01:30:03,186 --> 01:30:03,820
>> And just for the record,

2838
01:30:03,820 --> 01:30:05,355
that previous speaker was

2839
01:30:05,355 --> 01:30:07,755
Rolonda Shoval, the chief

2840
01:30:10,727 --> 01:30:11,595
financial officer.

2841
01:30:11,595 --> 01:30:14,595
I appreciate that that that's

2842
01:30:15,666 --> 01:30:16,533
helpful because nothing would

2843
01:30:16,533 --> 01:30:19,469
prevent you if we if if we got

2844
01:30:19,469 --> 01:30:20,170
to a place where 6% was no

2845
01:30:20,170 --> 01:30:22,570
longer realistic for whatever

2846
01:30:24,674 --> 01:30:26,676
reason you could come back and

2847
01:30:26,676 --> 01:30:30,276
ask for authority above that or

2848
01:30:32,616 --> 01:30:36,816
no it would Yes, we could It's

2849
01:30:37,420 --> 01:30:38,122
it's approved this item because

2850
01:30:38,122 --> 01:30:38,756
of the length of the financing

2851
01:30:38,756 --> 01:30:41,692
It is an ordinance So any

2852
01:30:41,692 --> 01:30:42,359
amendment would be I mean I

2853
01:30:42,359 --> 01:30:45,359
should let the city attorney

2854
01:30:45,763 --> 01:30:46,262
speak to this Sorry.

2855
01:30:46,262 --> 01:30:47,300
Yes that's true.

2856
01:30:47,300 --> 01:30:50,630
You could come back and ask

2857
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:51,769
the council to approve a higher

2858
01:30:51,769 --> 01:30:55,369
interest rate but it would be

2859
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:56,306
an ordinance.

2860
01:30:56,306 --> 01:30:57,730
Okay.

2861
01:30:57,730 --> 01:31:00,100
So you need and then all

2862
01:31:00,100 --> 01:31:00,310
the time is associated with

2863
01:31:00,310 --> 01:31:01,111
that.

2864
01:31:01,111 --> 01:31:01,679
But it's not it's not as easy

2865
01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:02,279
as flipping a switch.

2866
01:31:02,279 --> 01:31:04,279
Yeah.

2867
01:31:07,451 --> 01:31:08,319
Okay.

2868
01:31:08,319 --> 01:31:09,860
Well just to get us started in

2869
01:31:09,860 --> 01:31:12,860
terms of a motion council

2870
01:31:12,957 --> 01:31:13,757
PRESIDENT, if I could, we'll

2871
01:31:13,757 --> 01:31:17,600
just kind of again as a

2872
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:17,595
starting point staff

2873
01:31:17,595 --> 01:31:19,595
recommendation with

2874
01:31:20,664 --> 01:31:21,665
the reduction of the interest

2875
01:31:21,665 --> 01:31:24,665
rate from the 7% that it's

2876
01:31:25,336 --> 01:31:26,690
currently capped out to 6% and

2877
01:31:26,690 --> 01:31:26,470
open to amendments from from my

2878
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:28,470
colleagues.

2879
01:31:30,207 --> 01:31:30,908
But just so we have a motion to

2880
01:31:30,908 --> 01:31:34,478
work from, the last thing I'll

2881
01:31:34,478 --> 01:31:35,178
say is I don't particularly

2882
01:31:35,178 --> 01:31:35,479
like doing business with big

2883
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,479
banks.

2884
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:39,784
I use a credit union $48.3

2885
01:31:39,784 --> 01:31:40,651
million and there's a certain

2886
01:31:40,651 --> 01:31:44,155
like world we only have so many

2887
01:31:44,155 --> 01:31:44,821
competitive options right in

2888
01:31:44,821 --> 01:31:48,421
the city has a process that

2889
01:31:48,893 --> 01:31:49,560
requires us to choose best

2890
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:50,940
option from an interest rate

2891
01:31:50,940 --> 01:31:51,896
perspective, right?

2892
01:31:51,896 --> 01:31:56,960
This was what it was that that

2893
01:31:56,867 --> 01:31:57,735
was correct.

2894
01:31:57,735 --> 01:31:58,636
And until we get to a place

2895
01:31:58,636 --> 01:32:01,839
where you know, we've got a a

2896
01:32:01,839 --> 01:32:02,506
public bank or something along

2897
01:32:02,506 --> 01:32:03,107
those lines, we're going to

2898
01:32:03,107 --> 01:32:05,507
continue to have limited

2899
01:32:06,613 --> 01:32:06,944
options for financing at this

2900
01:32:06,944 --> 01:32:07,577
amount.

2901
01:32:07,577 --> 01:32:08,245
That concludes our motion

2902
01:32:08,245 --> 01:32:10,245
Council PRESIDENT Hopefully

2903
01:32:11,782 --> 01:32:12,182
that doesn't create more havoc.

2904
01:32:12,182 --> 01:32:14,182
All right.

2905
01:32:15,753 --> 01:32:18,753
And just as a clarification

2906
01:32:19,723 --> 01:32:20,524
that is amending the 7% that is

2907
01:32:20,524 --> 01:32:22,924
listed in paragraph 2.1 of

2908
01:32:25,229 --> 01:32:25,530
the master lease agreement for

2909
01:32:25,530 --> 01:32:26,197
.

2910
01:32:26,197 --> 01:32:29,197
So Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem

2911
01:32:30,670 --> 01:32:30,768
Lee So we do have a motion by

2912
01:32:30,768 --> 01:32:31,368
council member Eli Rivera and

2913
01:32:31,368 --> 01:32:34,368
we'll go to you Council

2914
01:32:34,471 --> 01:32:35,172
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Thank you

2915
01:32:35,172 --> 01:32:35,873
Council PRESIDENT Thank you to

2916
01:32:35,873 --> 01:32:38,873
the Department of Finance for

2917
01:32:39,543 --> 01:32:40,244
giving this presentation to our

2918
01:32:40,244 --> 01:32:41,112
cfo MR. Shirvell for coming up

2919
01:32:41,112 --> 01:32:43,781
here to answer a couple of

2920
01:32:43,781 --> 01:32:44,448
questions as well.

2921
01:32:44,448 --> 01:32:46,848
I appreciate my colleague's

2922
01:32:48,618 --> 01:32:49,353
commentary in terms of process

2923
01:32:49,353 --> 01:32:49,920
,we certainly had the full

2924
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:50,554
discussion or at least

2925
01:32:50,554 --> 01:32:52,954
the informational item at

2926
01:32:53,424 --> 01:32:54,224
committee talking about

2927
01:32:54,224 --> 01:32:57,224
the benefits of leasing versus

2928
01:32:58,462 --> 01:32:59,397
buying.

2929
01:32:59,397 --> 01:33:00,960
I think for me to be frank, I

2930
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,934
think where we stand today is

2931
01:33:02,934 --> 01:33:05,934
this is really a financing

2932
01:33:07,305 --> 01:33:08,720
mechanism that is part of our

2933
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:08,739
need to conduct business as a

2934
01:33:08,739 --> 01:33:11,739
city for vehicles that we've

2935
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:12,844
already purchased as well and

2936
01:33:12,844 --> 01:33:13,577
have an impact on this fiscal

2937
01:33:13,577 --> 01:33:17,177
year based on what we've heard.

2938
01:33:17,581 --> 01:33:18,249
And so I, I feel like we're

2939
01:33:18,249 --> 01:33:21,849
getting into the weeds on on

2940
01:33:22,153 --> 01:33:22,820
where that the cap of an

2941
01:33:22,820 --> 01:33:23,521
interest rate percentage is

2942
01:33:23,521 --> 01:33:26,521
knowing that that's not where

2943
01:33:27,291 --> 01:33:27,992
it stands at the moment but

2944
01:33:27,992 --> 01:33:28,793
that the flexibility is needed

2945
01:33:28,793 --> 01:33:32,296
for us to conduct this business

2946
01:33:32,296 --> 01:33:36,990
and if we were ever to exceed

2947
01:33:36,990 --> 01:33:36,968
one of the guardrails you know

2948
01:33:36,968 --> 01:33:38,968
whether 6% or 7% is

2949
01:33:41,639 --> 01:33:42,339
the appropriate level, it just

2950
01:33:42,339 --> 01:33:42,940
feels like we're we're getting

2951
01:33:42,940 --> 01:33:45,940
a little far into that.

2952
01:33:46,377 --> 01:33:47,450
If it rises above 6% it's going

2953
01:33:47,450 --> 01:33:47,745
to be because interest rates

2954
01:33:47,745 --> 01:33:50,745
across the country have risen

2955
01:33:51,349 --> 01:33:52,490
that heavily And we're we're

2956
01:33:52,490 --> 01:33:52,750
going to be dealing with a

2957
01:33:52,750 --> 01:33:53,417
bigger problem at that point,

2958
01:33:53,417 --> 01:33:55,186
which is what do we do with

2959
01:33:55,186 --> 01:33:55,853
vehicles that have been ordered

2960
01:33:55,853 --> 01:33:56,487
and whether we have

2961
01:33:56,487 --> 01:33:58,887
the financing capacity to

2962
01:34:00,491 --> 01:34:00,858
complete those purchases as

2963
01:34:00,858 --> 01:34:01,492
intended.

2964
01:34:01,492 --> 01:34:02,226
I think one of the big

2965
01:34:02,226 --> 01:34:05,226
differences of ensuring that we

2966
01:34:05,296 --> 01:34:05,997
at least have the master lease

2967
01:34:05,997 --> 01:34:06,696
agreement in place is that we

2968
01:34:06,696 --> 01:34:07,432
know we're going to be leasing

2969
01:34:07,432 --> 01:34:10,468
based on the vehicles that we

2970
01:34:10,468 --> 01:34:11,169
have already ordered and

2971
01:34:11,169 --> 01:34:11,869
the change ends up being much

2972
01:34:11,869 --> 01:34:14,869
smaller When you're talking a

2973
01:34:15,707 --> 01:34:19,307
percent over over a long scale

2974
01:34:20,345 --> 01:34:21,120
of time for leasing vehicles

2975
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:21,713
versus if tomorrow we said

2976
01:34:21,713 --> 01:34:22,413
we're not going to be leasing,

2977
01:34:22,413 --> 01:34:25,250
we're now needing to purchase

2978
01:34:25,250 --> 01:34:25,983
these vehicles.

2979
01:34:25,983 --> 01:34:26,651
The exact problem comes where

2980
01:34:26,651 --> 01:34:27,385
next year we're not going to

2981
01:34:27,385 --> 01:34:29,720
have the ability to appropriate

2982
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:30,455
those funds to make those

2983
01:34:30,455 --> 01:34:31,156
purchases given we already know

2984
01:34:31,156 --> 01:34:33,556
what financial position we're

2985
01:34:34,225 --> 01:34:35,930
going to be in next year.

2986
01:34:35,930 --> 01:34:35,827
So I think this lease versus

2987
01:34:35,827 --> 01:34:39,397
buy conversation is going to be

2988
01:34:39,397 --> 01:34:40,650
really important as we look to

2989
01:34:40,650 --> 01:34:40,865
the future and what the city

2990
01:34:40,865 --> 01:34:44,680
can choose to do when we have

2991
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:44,501
more financial capacity to make

2992
01:34:44,501 --> 01:34:45,237
those choices.

2993
01:34:45,237 --> 01:34:48,840
But it does feel like we're a

2994
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:49,307
little bit constrained as we

2995
01:34:49,307 --> 01:34:51,307
stand right now.

2996
01:34:53,912 --> 01:34:54,612
So I'm fully comfortable with

2997
01:34:54,612 --> 01:34:57,612
leaving it where the guardrail

2998
01:34:58,717 --> 01:34:59,783
was at 7% If the Department of

2999
01:34:59,783 --> 01:35:03,855
Finance feels like 6% as a as a

3000
01:35:03,855 --> 01:35:04,155
guardrail is sufficient as

3001
01:35:04,155 --> 01:35:06,155
well.

3002
01:35:08,859 --> 01:35:09,727
Also comfortable with that.

3003
01:35:09,727 --> 01:35:10,595
I also just don't want to see

3004
01:35:10,595 --> 01:35:13,932
us coming back here in a year

3005
01:35:13,932 --> 01:35:14,666
because let's just say

3006
01:35:14,666 --> 01:35:15,333
the federal administration does

3007
01:35:15,333 --> 01:35:17,733
something crazy and interest

3008
01:35:18,336 --> 01:35:19,700
rates go up significantly and

3009
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:19,638
now the city cannot conduct its

3010
01:35:19,638 --> 01:35:22,380
business in paying for

3011
01:35:23,208 --> 01:35:23,708
the vehicles that we've already

3012
01:35:23,708 --> 01:35:24,542
committed to.

3013
01:35:24,542 --> 01:35:25,444
I'm not I'm just not sure what

3014
01:35:25,444 --> 01:35:28,279
benefit that gives us all other

3015
01:35:28,279 --> 01:35:28,947
than the chance to complain

3016
01:35:28,947 --> 01:35:29,648
that that's happened And yet

3017
01:35:29,648 --> 01:35:33,248
we're still going to have to

3018
01:35:33,251 --> 01:35:33,885
prove either that higher

3019
01:35:33,885 --> 01:35:34,586
interest rate capacity or

3020
01:35:34,586 --> 01:35:36,986
choose a completely different

3021
01:35:37,756 --> 01:35:38,523
way to to pay for vehicles

3022
01:35:38,523 --> 01:35:38,856
which doesn't seem to do us any

3023
01:35:38,856 --> 01:35:40,856
favors.

3024
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:43,762
So I will second the motion

3025
01:35:43,762 --> 01:35:46,762
again if there's any openness

3026
01:35:47,632 --> 01:35:48,299
to pushing that back up to

3027
01:35:48,299 --> 01:35:49,340
the staff's recommendation.

3028
01:35:49,340 --> 01:35:49,367
I'm fully comfortable with that

3029
01:35:49,367 --> 01:35:51,367
as well.

3030
01:35:52,437 --> 01:35:53,104
But again looked at to look to

3031
01:35:53,104 --> 01:35:53,572
our colleagues to figure out

3032
01:35:53,572 --> 01:35:54,500
what to do next.

3033
01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:54,372
>> Thank you.

3034
01:35:54,372 --> 01:35:56,372
All right.

3035
01:35:57,742 --> 01:36:00,679
So with that we have a motion

3036
01:36:00,679 --> 01:36:01,379
by council member Ella Rivera

3037
01:36:01,379 --> 01:36:04,379
and second camera by Council

3038
01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:05,784
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee with

3039
01:36:05,784 --> 01:36:08,184
the staff recommendation except

3040
01:36:09,821 --> 01:36:10,756
to amend the.

3041
01:36:10,756 --> 01:36:14,956
They're going to put it up on

3042
01:36:15,260 --> 01:36:15,694
the screen but the maximum rate

3043
01:36:15,694 --> 01:36:16,361
from seven down to six and

3044
01:36:16,361 --> 01:36:19,361
they'll put that language up

3045
01:36:20,899 --> 01:36:21,767
much better than I said that.

3046
01:36:21,767 --> 01:36:22,467
So before we go back to

3047
01:36:22,467 --> 01:36:23,135
Councilmember Problem Walbert,

3048
01:36:23,135 --> 01:36:24,569
I do want to ask a question

3049
01:36:24,569 --> 01:36:25,503
directly.

3050
01:36:25,503 --> 01:36:29,103
This is a two party agreement

3051
01:36:30,175 --> 01:36:30,809
The city and the lessor.

3052
01:36:30,809 --> 01:36:33,809
Is there any issue with

3053
01:36:34,313 --> 01:36:34,979
changing that number?

3054
01:36:34,979 --> 01:36:36,979
I hope not.

3055
01:36:39,785 --> 01:36:40,485
I do not believe there'll be an

3056
01:36:40,485 --> 01:36:41,319
issue but that is something I

3057
01:36:41,319 --> 01:36:43,888
would need to circle back with

3058
01:36:43,888 --> 01:36:44,189
the bank.

3059
01:36:44,189 --> 01:36:46,189
Okay.

3060
01:36:49,227 --> 01:36:49,727
Because it is actually a limit

3061
01:36:49,727 --> 01:36:50,461
both ways, right?

3062
01:36:50,461 --> 01:36:53,999
The lessee is not permitted and

3063
01:36:53,999 --> 01:36:55,634
the lesser does not required to

3064
01:36:55,634 --> 01:36:55,968
exceed that 7%.

3065
01:36:55,968 --> 01:36:57,968
Correct.

3066
01:37:00,738 --> 01:37:01,639
Okay.

3067
01:37:01,639 --> 01:37:02,140
So you might be back here a

3068
01:37:02,140 --> 01:37:04,140
little bit sooner.

3069
01:37:05,610 --> 01:37:06,678
Is that what you're suggesting

3070
01:37:06,678 --> 01:37:10,878
If the lessor is not happy with

3071
01:37:11,483 --> 01:37:15,830
that, Yeah, we would need to

3072
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:16,655
provide clarification at

3073
01:37:16,655 --> 01:37:16,955
the second reading.

3074
01:37:16,955 --> 01:37:17,656
Okay.

3075
01:37:17,656 --> 01:37:20,826
Yeah I'll have to revisit what

3076
01:37:20,826 --> 01:37:21,293
the process would be.

3077
01:37:21,293 --> 01:37:21,927
>> Okay.

3078
01:37:21,927 --> 01:37:22,594
And then just real quickly

3079
01:37:22,594 --> 01:37:26,310
because we've spent a lot of

3080
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:26,697
time on this you said if

3081
01:37:26,697 --> 01:37:27,266
the interest rates do go up,

3082
01:37:27,266 --> 01:37:27,866
start approaching that

3083
01:37:27,866 --> 01:37:29,866
guardrail, whatever that

3084
01:37:30,636 --> 01:37:31,690
guardrail is, you have

3085
01:37:31,690 --> 01:37:31,770
alternatives.

3086
01:37:31,770 --> 01:37:35,730
Are those given all the things

3087
01:37:35,730 --> 01:37:38,730
the cities engaged in realistic

3088
01:37:38,770 --> 01:37:41,770
alternatives if this if we

3089
01:37:43,449 --> 01:37:44,249
can't use this mechanism we

3090
01:37:44,249 --> 01:37:47,849
would have to reissue an rfp.

3091
01:37:47,853 --> 01:37:48,554
Some of the alternatives would

3092
01:37:48,554 --> 01:37:48,921
be frankly bond finance these

3093
01:37:48,921 --> 01:37:50,921
vehicles.

3094
01:37:52,992 --> 01:37:53,695
Okay.

3095
01:37:53,695 --> 01:37:56,950
>> Yes, I appreciate you're

3096
01:37:57,796 --> 01:37:58,497
willing to do that but I think

3097
01:37:58,497 --> 01:37:59,640
I also realize that there are

3098
01:37:59,640 --> 01:37:59,498
actually very limited

3099
01:37:59,498 --> 01:38:01,498
alternatives.

3100
01:38:02,568 --> 01:38:03,401
So all right.

3101
01:38:03,401 --> 01:38:04,136
So we do have a motion in a

3102
01:38:04,136 --> 01:38:07,136
second by council PRESIDENT Pro

3103
01:38:07,973 --> 01:38:08,674
Tem Lee that is now up on

3104
01:38:08,674 --> 01:38:09,374
the screen and will go back to

3105
01:38:09,374 --> 01:38:11,774
council member Yvonne Wolpert.

3106
01:38:12,277 --> 01:38:12,944
Thank you and thank you for

3107
01:38:12,944 --> 01:38:13,646
engaging in this discussion.

3108
01:38:13,646 --> 01:38:16,646
I think it's actually very

3109
01:38:17,783 --> 01:38:18,417
important because I'm sick and

3110
01:38:18,417 --> 01:38:19,251
tired of the city getting

3111
01:38:19,251 --> 01:38:22,588
ripped off and a lot of public

3112
01:38:22,588 --> 01:38:23,189
callers called in here asking

3113
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:23,522
us to use taxpayer money

3114
01:38:23,522 --> 01:38:24,156
wisely.

3115
01:38:24,156 --> 01:38:24,790
Are we not purchasing fire

3116
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:27,190
trucks possibly with this

3117
01:38:29,895 --> 01:38:32,895
financing or any other large

3118
01:38:34,166 --> 01:38:36,166
equipment vehicle trucks?

3119
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,672
I know that we are, yeah.

3120
01:38:43,741 --> 01:38:44,376
So on APRIL 6 to 2026 our very

3121
01:38:44,376 --> 01:38:45,110
own city attorney Heather

3122
01:38:45,110 --> 01:38:48,110
Ferber released a press release

3123
01:38:48,247 --> 01:38:48,914
saying City of San Diego sues

3124
01:38:48,914 --> 01:38:49,517
fire truck manufacturers for

3125
01:38:49,517 --> 01:38:51,517
antitrust violations and

3126
01:38:53,152 --> 01:38:53,885
overcharging the taxpayers.

3127
01:38:53,885 --> 01:38:54,619
The price of these vehicles was

3128
01:38:54,619 --> 01:38:57,619
going up because they saw

3129
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:59,291
the city with the customer and

3130
01:38:59,291 --> 01:39:02,291
the overcharges every time and

3131
01:39:02,328 --> 01:39:02,995
the difference between 3%

3132
01:39:02,995 --> 01:39:03,696
interest and 7% in interest

3133
01:39:03,696 --> 01:39:04,290
could be millions of taxpayer

3134
01:39:04,290 --> 01:39:06,290
dollars.

3135
01:39:06,799 --> 01:39:07,399
And so what I'm asking for is

3136
01:39:07,399 --> 01:39:08,167
not a set interest rate.

3137
01:39:08,167 --> 01:39:11,767
What I'm asking for is making

3138
01:39:11,837 --> 01:39:12,504
sure the city is paying an

3139
01:39:12,504 --> 01:39:13,140
interest rate that any other

3140
01:39:13,140 --> 01:39:15,774
market buyer would pay And

3141
01:39:15,774 --> 01:39:16,642
we're not getting ripped off.

3142
01:39:16,642 --> 01:39:16,909
That is simply what I'm asking

3143
01:39:16,909 --> 01:39:18,909
for.

3144
01:39:20,546 --> 01:39:21,247
And so in the contract I want

3145
01:39:21,247 --> 01:39:21,948
to know that the city is going

3146
01:39:21,948 --> 01:39:24,948
to pay the standard overnight

3147
01:39:25,517 --> 01:39:29,117
financing rate at the time And

3148
01:39:30,221 --> 01:39:31,189
is that in the contract or now

3149
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:31,891
I see why you would say over 7%

3150
01:39:31,891 --> 01:39:32,525
we would no longer finance it,

3151
01:39:32,525 --> 01:39:35,194
put it in the city's best

3152
01:39:35,194 --> 01:39:35,695
interest and to use cash or

3153
01:39:35,695 --> 01:39:36,362
other mechanisms.

3154
01:39:36,362 --> 01:39:37,620
That is the fiscal decisions

3155
01:39:37,620 --> 01:39:39,899
we're making in the contract.

3156
01:39:39,899 --> 01:39:40,666
I want to know we're not being

3157
01:39:40,666 --> 01:39:43,869
ripped off even 5% if the if

3158
01:39:43,869 --> 01:39:44,604
the so first 3.5% is a rip off.

3159
01:39:44,604 --> 01:39:47,400
So what contractual obligation

3160
01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:49,208
do we have to make sure we're

3161
01:39:49,208 --> 01:39:49,809
paying the interest rate any

3162
01:39:49,809 --> 01:39:50,342
other person would pay?

3163
01:39:50,342 --> 01:39:52,742
That is my question.

3164
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:53,979
I'm not yelling at you.

3165
01:39:53,979 --> 01:39:54,547
I'm so sorry.

3166
01:39:54,547 --> 01:39:55,414
It's not your fault.

3167
01:39:55,414 --> 01:39:57,884
I just the city gets ripped off

3168
01:39:57,884 --> 01:39:58,383
all the time and we need to

3169
01:39:58,383 --> 01:39:59,180
protect ourselves.

3170
01:39:59,180 --> 01:40:02,880
So what is in the contract

3171
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:02,789
saying we will pay the standard

3172
01:40:02,789 --> 01:40:03,221
overnight rate at the time of

3173
01:40:03,221 --> 01:40:05,221
the issuance?

3174
01:40:07,426 --> 01:40:07,860
Thank you for the question,

3175
01:40:07,860 --> 01:40:09,860
Councilmember.

3176
01:40:12,398 --> 01:40:12,999
So we we issued a request for

3177
01:40:12,999 --> 01:40:13,699
proposal So this was a

3178
01:40:13,699 --> 01:40:16,990
competitive bid that we

3179
01:40:16,802 --> 01:40:17,502
received.

3180
01:40:17,502 --> 01:40:18,137
There are very limited banks

3181
01:40:18,137 --> 01:40:21,137
that are in this business.

3182
01:40:22,108 --> 01:40:22,809
We received two proposals and

3183
01:40:22,809 --> 01:40:25,809
this was the more competitive

3184
01:40:26,979 --> 01:40:27,747
proposal which we picked.

3185
01:40:27,747 --> 01:40:31,347
The interest rate is not pegged

3186
01:40:31,718 --> 01:40:32,850
to the federal funds rate

3187
01:40:32,850 --> 01:40:32,719
directly.

3188
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:35,719
It is pegged as explained

3189
01:40:36,556 --> 01:40:37,256
earlier to the secured

3190
01:40:37,256 --> 01:40:37,957
overnight financing rate which

3191
01:40:37,957 --> 01:40:41,427
is based on the Fed rate which

3192
01:40:41,427 --> 01:40:42,195
is based on the Fed rate.

3193
01:40:42,195 --> 01:40:42,895
So that is the rate that banks

3194
01:40:42,895 --> 01:40:45,295
use for this particular

3195
01:40:46,199 --> 01:40:47,660
mechanism.

3196
01:40:47,660 --> 01:40:50,666
So both the banks that offered

3197
01:40:51,103 --> 01:40:54,703
that was the index that this

3198
01:40:56,410 --> 01:40:56,476
gets peg to and for each of

3199
01:40:56,476 --> 01:40:57,209
the financing.

3200
01:40:57,209 --> 01:41:00,446
So some of the smaller vehicles

3201
01:41:00,446 --> 01:41:01,114
are financed over a shorter

3202
01:41:01,114 --> 01:41:01,417
term So there's a different

3203
01:41:01,417 --> 01:41:02,214
index.

3204
01:41:02,214 --> 01:41:05,251
So it's based on the term of

3205
01:41:05,251 --> 01:41:05,952
the vehicles and I believe that

3206
01:41:05,952 --> 01:41:08,952
these are competitive rates If

3207
01:41:10,189 --> 01:41:10,757
we compare our recently priced

3208
01:41:10,757 --> 01:41:13,157
bonds for three years.

3209
01:41:14,727 --> 01:41:15,428
So these are shorter term

3210
01:41:15,428 --> 01:41:18,428
financing So they are slightly

3211
01:41:19,399 --> 01:41:20,990
lower And based on where

3212
01:41:20,990 --> 01:41:20,767
the yield curve is, I believe

3213
01:41:20,767 --> 01:41:21,100
these are competitive rates.

3214
01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:23,100
I agree.

3215
01:41:24,938 --> 01:41:25,238
But why What guarantees we get

3216
01:41:25,238 --> 01:41:26,500
them?

3217
01:41:26,500 --> 01:41:26,273
You're saying we would go up to

3218
01:41:26,273 --> 01:41:28,273
7%?

3219
01:41:29,141 --> 01:41:29,809
I'm happy I can stop now

3220
01:41:29,809 --> 01:41:30,376
The answer is I don't think

3221
01:41:30,376 --> 01:41:30,977
there is something in

3222
01:41:30,977 --> 01:41:31,644
the contract protecting

3223
01:41:31,644 --> 01:41:33,947
the city so I'm not going to

3224
01:41:33,947 --> 01:41:34,580
vote for this But this is a

3225
01:41:34,580 --> 01:41:35,248
conversation we need to be

3226
01:41:35,248 --> 01:41:35,981
having because we're seeing

3227
01:41:35,981 --> 01:41:38,981
that we're suing the companies.

3228
01:41:39,850 --> 01:41:39,753
We're buying these trucks from

3229
01:41:39,753 --> 01:41:42,153
for overcharging us because

3230
01:41:43,822 --> 01:41:44,524
we're a city The people rip us

3231
01:41:44,524 --> 01:41:45,158
off all the time and taxpayer

3232
01:41:45,158 --> 01:41:45,892
money shouldn't be used to

3233
01:41:45,892 --> 01:41:48,828
paying the pockets of companies

3234
01:41:48,828 --> 01:41:49,461
who would overcharge us just

3235
01:41:49,461 --> 01:41:49,896
because of our government.

3236
01:41:49,896 --> 01:41:50,497
So thank you.

3237
01:41:50,497 --> 01:41:53,133
I'm happy to have these

3238
01:41:53,133 --> 01:41:53,800
conversations offline but I do

3239
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:54,534
think we should have better

3240
01:41:54,534 --> 01:41:55,235
conversations about how we lock

3241
01:41:55,235 --> 01:41:57,635
our contractual protections in

3242
01:41:58,938 --> 01:41:59,873
when we purchase things.

3243
01:41:59,873 --> 01:42:00,607
>> Councilor if I can just add

3244
01:42:00,607 --> 01:42:03,142
there are terms in the contract

3245
01:42:03,142 --> 01:42:04,100
that refer to an equipment

3246
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:04,711
lease race that is tied to what

3247
01:42:04,711 --> 01:42:07,814
is defined as an index rate.

3248
01:42:07,814 --> 01:42:08,548
The index rate is actually

3249
01:42:08,548 --> 01:42:09,249
defined as a percentage of that

3250
01:42:09,249 --> 01:42:09,749
standard overnight rate plus a

3251
01:42:09,749 --> 01:42:11,749
spread percentage.

3252
01:42:12,619 --> 01:42:13,286
So there are terms in

3253
01:42:13,286 --> 01:42:13,586
the contract associated with

3254
01:42:13,586 --> 01:42:14,287
that.

3255
01:42:14,287 --> 01:42:14,620
I saw that in the definitions

3256
01:42:14,620 --> 01:42:15,388
portion.

3257
01:42:15,388 --> 01:42:19,590
I didn't see that that we get

3258
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:19,759
that rate I think like an

3259
01:42:19,759 --> 01:42:20,527
attachment of like within ten

3260
01:42:20,527 --> 01:42:24,127
days of a vehicle purchase But

3261
01:42:26,199 --> 01:42:27,330
it it should be in there.

3262
01:42:27,330 --> 01:42:30,330
All right Thank you Council

3263
01:42:31,972 --> 01:42:32,572
member of I'm All for it We'll

3264
01:42:32,572 --> 01:42:33,206
go next to Councilmember

3265
01:42:33,206 --> 01:42:35,606
Whitman Thank you Council

3266
01:42:39,846 --> 01:42:42,846
PRESIDENT So leaving it at 7%

3267
01:42:44,851 --> 01:42:48,451
or reducing it to 6% there's no

3268
01:42:49,656 --> 01:42:50,257
difference in terms of a

3269
01:42:50,257 --> 01:42:50,924
competitive advantage or

3270
01:42:50,924 --> 01:42:53,924
disadvantage for the city in

3271
01:42:54,995 --> 01:42:55,661
terms of negotiating with

3272
01:42:55,661 --> 01:42:58,661
the bank because there's no

3273
01:42:59,933 --> 01:43:00,434
negotiation with the bank going

3274
01:43:00,434 --> 01:43:01,340
forward at all.

3275
01:43:01,340 --> 01:43:03,434
It's all formulaic going

3276
01:43:05,538 --> 01:43:06,206
forward at this point.

3277
01:43:06,206 --> 01:43:06,706
Am I correct about that?

3278
01:43:06,706 --> 01:43:07,407
That is correct.

3279
01:43:07,407 --> 01:43:10,407
Once the agreement is executed

3280
01:43:10,977 --> 01:43:11,678
it's just purely based on a

3281
01:43:11,678 --> 01:43:12,312
formula and the interest rate

3282
01:43:12,312 --> 01:43:12,745
those in the market based

3283
01:43:12,745 --> 01:43:14,745
interest rate.

3284
01:43:17,651 --> 01:43:21,540
So whether we set this at 6% or

3285
01:43:21,540 --> 01:43:24,654
whether we set it at 7% or

3286
01:43:24,758 --> 01:43:25,458
whether we use the state 12%,

3287
01:43:25,458 --> 01:43:27,527
it's all based on a formula

3288
01:43:27,527 --> 01:43:30,970
based on the federal rates at

3289
01:43:30,970 --> 01:43:32,970
the time.

3290
01:43:35,836 --> 01:43:39,436
That is correct In which case

3291
01:43:41,308 --> 01:43:42,750
as I'm understanding it,

3292
01:43:42,750 --> 01:43:44,475
reducing it to 6% simply

3293
01:43:46,979 --> 01:43:47,681
complicates the city's position

3294
01:43:47,681 --> 01:43:51,281
In the event that the federal

3295
01:43:54,821 --> 01:43:55,389
rate goes higher.

3296
01:43:55,389 --> 01:43:56,323
That is correct.

3297
01:43:56,323 --> 01:44:00,523
We would have to come back to

3298
01:44:03,797 --> 01:44:06,797
city council for an amendment.

3299
01:44:08,100 --> 01:44:10,401
Charles Our independent budget

3300
01:44:13,573 --> 01:44:17,173
analyst MR. Monica it seems to

3301
01:44:18,679 --> 01:44:22,879
me like the simpler thing to do

3302
01:44:23,950 --> 01:44:24,584
would be to leave it at 7%

3303
01:44:24,584 --> 01:44:27,584
since there's not really a

3304
01:44:29,289 --> 01:44:29,723
discretionary element to it

3305
01:44:29,723 --> 01:44:31,723
going forward.

3306
01:44:33,930 --> 01:44:36,693
>> Well I would I will burden

3307
01:44:38,632 --> 01:44:39,599
you with that.

3308
01:44:39,599 --> 01:44:43,199
I will ask the maker of

3309
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:45,839
the motion because I would I'm

3310
01:44:45,839 --> 01:44:47,107
comfortable with 7% at this

3311
01:44:47,107 --> 01:44:49,107
point.

3312
01:44:53,581 --> 01:44:54,180
I guess Would it be your

3313
01:44:54,180 --> 01:44:57,180
preference that I make a

3314
01:44:58,985 --> 01:44:59,653
substitute motion or would you

3315
01:44:59,653 --> 01:45:00,320
prefer to leave your motion,

3316
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:00,620
let your motion stand and I

3317
01:45:00,620 --> 01:45:02,620
vote?

3318
01:45:04,230 --> 01:45:04,325
Some of us would vote no on it

3319
01:45:04,325 --> 01:45:05,920
.

3320
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:05,793
How would you what would you be

3321
01:45:05,793 --> 01:45:09,393
your preference on that or do

3322
01:45:10,130 --> 01:45:10,430
you have a preference?

3323
01:45:10,430 --> 01:45:11,198
Yeah.

3324
01:45:11,198 --> 01:45:11,898
I mean the preference is to

3325
01:45:11,898 --> 01:45:15,498
keep the business of the city

3326
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:16,303
moving in a way that

3327
01:45:16,303 --> 01:45:16,604
the council is comfortable

3328
01:45:16,604 --> 01:45:18,604
with.

3329
01:45:20,808 --> 01:45:21,675
We need six votes.

3330
01:45:21,675 --> 01:45:25,275
>> We need six votes on this

3331
01:45:26,947 --> 01:45:27,748
vote So I'm okay.

3332
01:45:27,748 --> 01:45:28,449
>> I'll make a substitute

3333
01:45:28,449 --> 01:45:28,782
motion if it I don't see what

3334
01:45:28,782 --> 01:45:29,382
happens.

3335
01:45:29,382 --> 01:45:31,782
I'll make a substitute.

3336
01:45:32,286 --> 01:45:32,786
I will say that yes, I think

3337
01:45:32,786 --> 01:45:33,654
you're 100% right.

3338
01:45:33,654 --> 01:45:37,854
It would be simpler And what I

3339
01:45:37,892 --> 01:45:38,692
was trying to account for is

3340
01:45:38,692 --> 01:45:42,292
the trade off in the simplicity

3341
01:45:44,231 --> 01:45:44,899
with council at least six

3342
01:45:44,899 --> 01:45:47,899
members of the council being

3343
01:45:49,300 --> 01:45:49,702
comfortable that if if

3344
01:45:49,702 --> 01:45:50,371
the interest rates started to

3345
01:45:50,371 --> 01:45:53,371
creep higher and higher and

3346
01:45:54,909 --> 01:45:55,609
higher that the council would

3347
01:45:55,609 --> 01:45:58,609
have an opportunity to reflect

3348
01:46:00,580 --> 01:46:01,181
on what that means before it

3349
01:46:01,181 --> 01:46:01,949
could jump to 7%.

3350
01:46:01,949 --> 01:46:05,549
So there is an additional step

3351
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:06,987
that that would require staff

3352
01:46:06,987 --> 01:46:07,354
to make if we ended up in that

3353
01:46:07,354 --> 01:46:09,354
situation.

3354
01:46:12,860 --> 01:46:13,560
But again it's it's with an eye

3355
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:17,160
on the six votes necessary in

3356
01:46:18,899 --> 01:46:19,734
order to get us the six votes

3357
01:46:19,734 --> 01:46:20,434
that we need in order for us to

3358
01:46:20,434 --> 01:46:24,340
move forward with this which I

3359
01:46:24,739 --> 01:46:25,539
do think we need to do And

3360
01:46:25,539 --> 01:46:26,700
trying to find a place of

3361
01:46:26,700 --> 01:46:26,340
consensus here.

3362
01:46:26,340 --> 01:46:26,974
>> Okay.

3363
01:46:26,974 --> 01:46:29,374
I appreciate your driving

3364
01:46:30,944 --> 01:46:31,612
towards consensus and I don't

3365
01:46:31,612 --> 01:46:34,612
know exactly where this will

3366
01:46:37,584 --> 01:46:38,252
lead but I'll go ahead and make

3367
01:46:38,252 --> 01:46:38,853
a substitute motion to stick

3368
01:46:38,853 --> 01:46:39,453
with the original staff

3369
01:46:39,453 --> 01:46:41,853
recommendation If we get

3370
01:46:43,157 --> 01:46:43,858
the six votes great.

3371
01:46:43,858 --> 01:46:44,592
If not, obviously we'll

3372
01:46:44,592 --> 01:46:45,225
probably go back to what you're

3373
01:46:45,225 --> 01:46:48,225
suggesting So I'll make a

3374
01:46:49,897 --> 01:46:50,398
substitute motion to stick with

3375
01:46:50,398 --> 01:46:51,640
the original staff

3376
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:51,699
recommendation or we have a

3377
01:46:51,699 --> 01:46:53,699
substitute motions You've

3378
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:58,669
referred back to the staff

3379
01:47:01,609 --> 01:47:02,309
recommendation and Council

3380
01:47:02,309 --> 01:47:02,943
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee will

3381
01:47:02,943 --> 01:47:05,943
second that motion And I'm

3382
01:47:08,820 --> 01:47:08,949
going to go to Councilmember

3383
01:47:08,949 --> 01:47:09,317
mpo who has not yet spoken on

3384
01:47:09,317 --> 01:47:09,783
this item.

3385
01:47:09,783 --> 01:47:10,451
>> So thank you.

3386
01:47:10,451 --> 01:47:11,152
Thank you Council PRESIDENT

3387
01:47:11,152 --> 01:47:13,688
Thank you to my colleagues for

3388
01:47:13,688 --> 01:47:14,389
their questions and I

3389
01:47:14,389 --> 01:47:15,560
sympathize with where they're

3390
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:19,256
going on us for staff We put

3391
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:20,461
out a request for proposals for

3392
01:47:20,461 --> 01:47:21,950
this type of financing vehicle

3393
01:47:21,950 --> 01:47:24,950
and we got two responses.

3394
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:25,833
>> You said yes, that is

3395
01:47:25,833 --> 01:47:26,567
correct.

3396
01:47:26,567 --> 01:47:27,368
When we put out that request

3397
01:47:27,368 --> 01:47:30,368
for proposals did we set

3398
01:47:32,473 --> 01:47:33,441
the ceiling in that request or

3399
01:47:33,441 --> 01:47:37,478
did it come or do we leave that

3400
01:47:37,478 --> 01:47:38,413
open ended?

3401
01:47:38,413 --> 01:47:39,470
We do not put a ceiling in

3402
01:47:39,470 --> 01:47:41,447
the request for proposals

3403
01:47:44,385 --> 01:47:44,985
because we we suggest an index

3404
01:47:44,985 --> 01:47:45,453
that is the market based

3405
01:47:45,453 --> 01:47:47,453
accepted index.

3406
01:47:49,924 --> 01:47:50,291
We put that in our request for

3407
01:47:50,291 --> 01:47:50,624
proposals.

3408
01:47:50,624 --> 01:47:52,624
>> Okay.

3409
01:47:56,164 --> 01:47:59,764
So what was the non accepted

3410
01:48:00,801 --> 01:48:01,469
proposals cap if this one was

3411
01:48:01,469 --> 01:48:02,203
at seven or the other one at

3412
01:48:02,203 --> 01:48:05,803
Council Member Again the cap is

3413
01:48:06,874 --> 01:48:07,575
not coming from the banks.

3414
01:48:07,575 --> 01:48:10,575
The banks in their responses

3415
01:48:13,314 --> 01:48:13,981
propose an index and a spread

3416
01:48:13,981 --> 01:48:14,616
to an index based on which

3417
01:48:14,616 --> 01:48:17,616
the interest rate is set.

3418
01:48:18,820 --> 01:48:19,687
That is staff recommendation

3419
01:48:19,687 --> 01:48:23,887
because if there was no cap it

3420
01:48:25,426 --> 01:48:26,930
would default to the cap under

3421
01:48:26,930 --> 01:48:26,761
the interest rate cap under

3422
01:48:26,761 --> 01:48:27,280
state law which I believe is

3423
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,280
12%.

3424
01:48:31,199 --> 01:48:31,733
>> So I was confused about what

3425
01:48:31,733 --> 01:48:32,330
you're saying there.

3426
01:48:32,330 --> 01:48:32,700
Okay.

3427
01:48:32,700 --> 01:48:36,300
Well it seems that there's a

3428
01:48:37,205 --> 01:48:37,805
desire that we would follow

3429
01:48:37,805 --> 01:48:40,205
more attention into that

3430
01:48:42,811 --> 01:48:43,478
component so that or at least

3431
01:48:43,478 --> 01:48:44,145
have some attention paid to

3432
01:48:44,145 --> 01:48:44,813
that particular component of

3433
01:48:44,813 --> 01:48:47,813
the overall deal because we

3434
01:48:49,584 --> 01:48:50,284
have many councilmembers,

3435
01:48:50,284 --> 01:48:52,684
myself included wondering what

3436
01:48:54,989 --> 01:48:55,890
is the right level of place and

3437
01:48:55,890 --> 01:48:59,490
it seems that even if 7% but

3438
01:49:00,962 --> 01:49:01,662
biologically all before earlier

3439
01:49:01,662 --> 01:49:02,330
if something really strange

3440
01:49:02,330 --> 01:49:03,630
happens 7% might not even be

3441
01:49:03,630 --> 01:49:06,834
enough And we need to come back

3442
01:49:06,834 --> 01:49:07,568
to council to ask for something

3443
01:49:07,568 --> 01:49:08,102
even higher than that, correct?

3444
01:49:08,102 --> 01:49:08,403
>> That is correct.

3445
01:49:08,403 --> 01:49:10,403
Okay.

3446
01:49:12,774 --> 01:49:13,408
So it sounds like in the future

3447
01:49:13,408 --> 01:49:15,808
we need better guardrails.

3448
01:49:19,147 --> 01:49:19,848
I think at this moment that it

3449
01:49:19,848 --> 01:49:20,548
seems going forward what we

3450
01:49:20,548 --> 01:49:21,216
have is the substitute motion

3451
01:49:21,216 --> 01:49:23,616
from Councilmember Webber is

3452
01:49:23,984 --> 01:49:24,753
the right way to go and to be

3453
01:49:24,753 --> 01:49:27,753
able to make sure that

3454
01:49:31,192 --> 01:49:35,992
the tools we need as a city are

3455
01:49:36,463 --> 01:49:37,640
paid for and onward.

3456
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:37,732
So I appreciate

3457
01:49:37,732 --> 01:49:38,330
the conversation we're going

3458
01:49:38,330 --> 01:49:38,733
here.

3459
01:49:38,733 --> 01:49:39,467
It seems like there's more of

3460
01:49:39,467 --> 01:49:42,467
an upstream problem or upstream

3461
01:49:42,570 --> 01:49:43,271
concern I should say rather

3462
01:49:43,271 --> 01:49:43,738
than the item that's directly

3463
01:49:43,738 --> 01:49:46,138
in front of us.

3464
01:49:47,843 --> 01:49:48,510
And so I really hope that we

3465
01:49:48,510 --> 01:49:49,110
focus on how to make

3466
01:49:49,110 --> 01:49:51,510
the overall process meet

3467
01:49:54,316 --> 01:49:55,490
the needs of the councilmembers

3468
01:49:55,490 --> 01:49:55,750
of the city as a whole.

3469
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:56,551
So I'll support the motion in

3470
01:49:56,551 --> 01:49:59,754
front of us but also knowing

3471
01:49:59,754 --> 01:50:00,422
that we need to drive down

3472
01:50:00,422 --> 01:50:01,122
the cost of borrowing or at

3473
01:50:01,122 --> 01:50:01,756
least get the lowest rates we

3474
01:50:01,756 --> 01:50:04,756
possibly can to save every

3475
01:50:06,561 --> 01:50:07,280
dollar possible.

3476
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:07,429
>> Thank you.

3477
01:50:07,429 --> 01:50:08,620
All right.

3478
01:50:08,620 --> 01:50:08,430
Thank you, Council member

3479
01:50:08,430 --> 01:50:09,300
Campbell.

3480
01:50:09,300 --> 01:50:12,300
We'll go back to council

3481
01:50:13,802 --> 01:50:14,503
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee Thank you

3482
01:50:14,503 --> 01:50:15,170
Council PRESIDENT I did offer

3483
01:50:15,170 --> 01:50:18,170
the second thank you council

3484
01:50:19,241 --> 01:50:19,941
member Whitburn for for this

3485
01:50:19,941 --> 01:50:20,642
though the way I look at this

3486
01:50:20,642 --> 01:50:24,242
is really just like any other

3487
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:26,715
adjustable rate loan frankly.

3488
01:50:26,715 --> 01:50:27,448
I mean if we're going to pay

3489
01:50:27,448 --> 01:50:28,116
this from a personal standpoint

3490
01:50:28,116 --> 01:50:31,153
which most of them are based

3491
01:50:31,153 --> 01:50:31,887
off of the Federal Reserve rate

3492
01:50:31,887 --> 01:50:32,621
the indexed rate plus an amount

3493
01:50:32,621 --> 01:50:33,322
that is set in as I think

3494
01:50:33,322 --> 01:50:36,322
Charles confirmed the terms of

3495
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:37,859
the agreement do set that rate.

3496
01:50:37,859 --> 01:50:38,593
So we are literally just going

3497
01:50:38,593 --> 01:50:42,564
to be moving up and down along

3498
01:50:42,564 --> 01:50:43,264
with what the federal rate ends

3499
01:50:43,264 --> 01:50:43,732
up being So that plus whatever

3500
01:50:43,732 --> 01:50:45,732
that spread is.

3501
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:49,137
So again I do think it is it is

3502
01:50:49,137 --> 01:50:49,805
standardized to some degree

3503
01:50:49,805 --> 01:50:50,472
The guardrail is that if it

3504
01:50:50,472 --> 01:50:52,872
moves significantly for any

3505
01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:55,710
particular reason that we have

3506
01:50:55,710 --> 01:50:56,143
some chance to rethink how to

3507
01:50:56,143 --> 01:50:58,143
act upon that.

3508
01:51:00,281 --> 01:51:00,916
And I mean we'd also be in a

3509
01:51:00,916 --> 01:51:01,516
very difficult position if

3510
01:51:01,516 --> 01:51:01,850
rates moved that heavily

3511
01:51:01,850 --> 01:51:03,850
upwards.

3512
01:51:07,856 --> 01:51:08,590
So I just would note that So

3513
01:51:08,590 --> 01:51:09,290
that's why I'm comfortable with

3514
01:51:09,290 --> 01:51:09,858
where we are leaning and look

3515
01:51:09,858 --> 01:51:12,258
forward to seeing what

3516
01:51:13,610 --> 01:51:13,762
colleagues are or I think that

3517
01:51:13,762 --> 01:51:14,462
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee

3518
01:51:14,462 --> 01:51:17,462
we'll go back to Councilmember

3519
01:51:18,300 --> 01:51:18,900
Foster.

3520
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:21,300
Oh yes, Thank you.

3521
01:51:24,339 --> 01:51:24,906
And I do understand the need

3522
01:51:24,906 --> 01:51:26,906
and the flexibility.

3523
01:51:29,944 --> 01:51:30,646
I think it's just a a manner of

3524
01:51:30,646 --> 01:51:33,646
ensuring that we have city

3525
01:51:36,485 --> 01:51:37,152
staff that is getting

3526
01:51:37,152 --> 01:51:37,452
essentially this is a policy

3527
01:51:37,452 --> 01:51:39,452
call.

3528
01:51:42,725 --> 01:51:43,525
What is that amount before you

3529
01:51:43,525 --> 01:51:43,859
say hey, no which right now

3530
01:51:43,859 --> 01:51:44,526
it's 7%.

3531
01:51:44,526 --> 01:51:44,927
That's the authority you're

3532
01:51:44,927 --> 01:51:46,927
asking for.

3533
01:51:49,431 --> 01:51:50,990
I think I would ask I will be

3534
01:51:50,990 --> 01:51:53,990
supportive but just I think

3535
01:51:54,837 --> 01:51:55,503
maybe if there's a way as we

3536
01:51:55,503 --> 01:51:59,103
start to say the highest we

3537
01:51:59,241 --> 01:51:59,875
probably paid is 5% if you look

3538
01:51:59,875 --> 01:52:00,209
historically through this

3539
01:52:00,209 --> 01:52:00,643
process.

3540
01:52:00,643 --> 01:52:02,643
That's right.

3541
01:52:05,648 --> 01:52:06,347
So maybe if it's something

3542
01:52:06,347 --> 01:52:07,283
where you see things moving up

3543
01:52:07,283 --> 01:52:10,883
to that 5% tile range or you

3544
01:52:12,186 --> 01:52:12,888
just send a memo across so we

3545
01:52:12,888 --> 01:52:13,522
can understand what's in front

3546
01:52:13,522 --> 01:52:17,722
of us where the rate is at

3547
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:19,295
which a plan is moving forward

3548
01:52:19,295 --> 01:52:20,280
because it MAY impact you know,

3549
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:23,280
you say 200 vehicles to where

3550
01:52:23,799 --> 01:52:24,465
now you've got to make a

3551
01:52:24,465 --> 01:52:25,167
decision on are you going to

3552
01:52:25,167 --> 01:52:28,700
come back to council, ask for

3553
01:52:28,700 --> 01:52:28,804
more authority over 7% or

3554
01:52:28,804 --> 01:52:29,504
whatever the case MAY be But at

3555
01:52:29,504 --> 01:52:33,442
least we kind of have a heads

3556
01:52:33,442 --> 01:52:34,242
up and understand if you just

3557
01:52:34,242 --> 01:52:34,576
fire off a memorandum and let

3558
01:52:34,576 --> 01:52:36,576
us know.

3559
01:52:39,715 --> 01:52:40,216
Fair enough.

3560
01:52:40,216 --> 01:52:40,516
>> Thank you.

3561
01:52:40,516 --> 01:52:40,818
Yes.

3562
01:52:40,818 --> 01:52:41,183
Yes.

3563
01:52:41,183 --> 01:52:43,183
All right.

3564
01:52:47,389 --> 01:52:48,900
Think COUNCILMAN Foster MR.

3565
01:52:48,900 --> 01:52:48,790
Market, you have some closing

3566
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:49,525
comments by council PRESIDENT

3567
01:52:49,525 --> 01:52:52,194
And then kind of debate whether

3568
01:52:52,194 --> 01:52:52,827
or not to bring this up and

3569
01:52:52,827 --> 01:52:53,529
actually consider Foster I

3570
01:52:53,529 --> 01:52:55,564
think your recommendation of a

3571
01:52:55,564 --> 01:52:56,298
mental notice is a good one

3572
01:52:56,298 --> 01:52:57,320
just because in the unfortunate

3573
01:52:57,320 --> 01:53:01,232
event that we get to some place

3574
01:53:01,770 --> 01:53:02,438
where this rate would end up

3575
01:53:02,438 --> 01:53:03,139
exceeding 7%, you hear staff

3576
01:53:03,139 --> 01:53:03,939
talk it out will be evaluated

3577
01:53:03,939 --> 01:53:06,939
if there's another approach to

3578
01:53:08,177 --> 01:53:09,111
take.

3579
01:53:09,111 --> 01:53:09,812
It's not just going to be this

3580
01:53:09,812 --> 01:53:10,112
master lease agreement on this

3581
01:53:10,112 --> 01:53:10,813
debt.

3582
01:53:10,813 --> 01:53:13,248
Financing of vehicles is going

3583
01:53:13,248 --> 01:53:13,983
to be more expensive every

3584
01:53:13,983 --> 01:53:14,717
other form of debt the city

3585
01:53:14,717 --> 01:53:15,451
could take out at that point is

3586
01:53:15,451 --> 01:53:15,784
also going to be more expensive

3587
01:53:15,784 --> 01:53:17,784
as well.

3588
01:53:20,423 --> 01:53:21,570
So I think the earlier there

3589
01:53:21,570 --> 01:53:21,623
was kind of a question are

3590
01:53:21,623 --> 01:53:24,230
there really any other

3591
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:26,862
significant options if we're

3592
01:53:26,862 --> 01:53:27,296
looking at other forms of debt?

3593
01:53:27,296 --> 01:53:29,296
Probably not.

3594
01:53:33,769 --> 01:53:34,603
But there are flows up as well.

3595
01:53:34,603 --> 01:53:35,304
So if I were in the trouble I

3596
01:53:35,304 --> 01:53:35,605
just wanted to add one more

3597
01:53:35,605 --> 01:53:37,239
point.

3598
01:53:37,239 --> 01:53:37,940
The city has a very strong

3599
01:53:37,940 --> 01:53:38,574
credit rating and the interest

3600
01:53:38,574 --> 01:53:39,208
rates that we are getting

3601
01:53:39,208 --> 01:53:42,208
depending on what type of

3602
01:53:43,813 --> 01:53:44,513
competitive process we go

3603
01:53:44,513 --> 01:53:45,180
through, whether it be a bond

3604
01:53:45,180 --> 01:53:48,780
sale, the Tran that we just

3605
01:53:49,251 --> 01:53:49,952
issued Now these rates they're

3606
01:53:49,952 --> 01:53:50,486
low because the credit rating

3607
01:53:50,486 --> 01:53:53,486
of the city is low.

3608
01:53:54,957 --> 01:53:55,558
If interest rates go up we'll

3609
01:53:55,558 --> 01:53:56,258
still have a lower rate

3610
01:53:56,258 --> 01:53:56,959
compared to everyone else but

3611
01:53:56,959 --> 01:54:00,559
it will be a higher interest

3612
01:54:01,397 --> 01:54:02,130
rate.

3613
01:54:02,130 --> 01:54:05,130
So we're talking about the 7%

3614
01:54:05,401 --> 01:54:06,102
If we if we need to pay 7%

3615
01:54:06,102 --> 01:54:06,803
other cities that have a lower

3616
01:54:06,803 --> 01:54:07,470
rating, the city will probably

3617
01:54:07,470 --> 01:54:11,700
pay more than that And other

3618
01:54:11,974 --> 01:54:12,341
corporations pay and pay more

3619
01:54:12,341 --> 01:54:13,420
than that.

3620
01:54:13,420 --> 01:54:13,742
So it all depends on what

3621
01:54:13,742 --> 01:54:17,342
the market does And this just

3622
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:18,347
wanted to reframe that a little

3623
01:54:18,347 --> 01:54:19,820
bit.

3624
01:54:19,820 --> 01:54:19,748
The interest that we're getting

3625
01:54:19,748 --> 01:54:20,149
around 4% that's what we're

3626
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:22,149
getting now.

3627
01:54:24,386 --> 01:54:25,254
It all depends on the economy.

3628
01:54:25,254 --> 01:54:25,922
It all depends on the price of

3629
01:54:25,922 --> 01:54:26,222
money that is currently out

3630
01:54:26,222 --> 01:54:26,522
there.

3631
01:54:26,522 --> 01:54:28,522
Right.

3632
01:54:30,192 --> 01:54:30,893
The more inflation there is

3633
01:54:30,893 --> 01:54:31,626
the higher of interest rates.

3634
01:54:31,626 --> 01:54:31,995
We just want to make the point.

3635
01:54:31,995 --> 01:54:32,362
Thank you.

3636
01:54:32,362 --> 01:54:32,729
All right.

3637
01:54:32,729 --> 01:54:33,362
Thank you.

3638
01:54:33,362 --> 01:54:35,762
There's nobody else on

3639
01:54:36,299 --> 01:54:37,166
the lights.

3640
01:54:37,166 --> 01:54:37,866
We have a motion by council

3641
01:54:37,866 --> 01:54:38,568
member Woodburn, the second by

3642
01:54:38,568 --> 01:54:39,670
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee

3643
01:54:39,670 --> 01:54:41,467
to move the staff

3644
01:54:42,904 --> 01:54:43,705
recommendation.

3645
01:54:43,705 --> 01:54:44,407
>> clerk please call the roll.

3646
01:54:44,407 --> 01:54:44,974
I'm sorry At the voting system

3647
01:54:44,974 --> 01:54:47,374
please cast your vote.

3648
01:54:51,114 --> 01:54:51,414
Total member Campion Yes, thank

3649
01:54:51,414 --> 01:54:53,414
you.

3650
01:54:56,219 --> 01:54:56,886
That passes 7 to 2 with Council

3651
01:54:56,886 --> 01:54:57,520
Member Moreno Councilmember

3652
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:58,187
Member Voting no Thank you

3653
01:54:58,187 --> 01:55:00,587
Council PRESIDENT All right

3654
01:55:01,991 --> 01:55:02,659
Thank you for the Clerk Thank

3655
01:55:02,659 --> 01:55:03,920
you to staff for a robust

3656
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:05,920
conversation.

3657
01:55:07,530 --> 01:55:08,231
Thank you MR. Chavez for

3658
01:55:08,231 --> 01:55:08,798
showing up and adding MR.

3659
01:55:08,798 --> 01:55:11,198
Monica for adding your

3660
01:55:13,135 --> 01:55:13,769
perspective to the Council And

3661
01:55:13,769 --> 01:55:14,170
I appreciate my colleagues

3662
01:55:14,170 --> 01:55:16,170
digging in.

3663
01:55:18,274 --> 01:55:19,750
So with that clerk please

3664
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:19,743
introduce item 203 Item 203 is

3665
01:55:19,743 --> 01:55:22,143
a Southwest Village specific

3666
01:55:29,252 --> 01:55:30,190
plan project number j0614791

3667
01:55:30,190 --> 01:55:30,653
and District eight This item is

3668
01:55:30,653 --> 01:55:30,953
not subject to the mayor's

3669
01:55:30,953 --> 01:55:32,953
veto.

3670
01:55:33,689 --> 01:55:34,390
The expected public comment

3671
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:35,258
time is one minute per person

3672
01:55:35,258 --> 01:55:38,858
and we did receive a organized

3673
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:40,897
presentation for this item.

3674
01:55:40,897 --> 01:55:41,631
Thank you Council PRESIDENT

3675
01:55:41,631 --> 01:55:44,631
That presentation is in person.

3676
01:55:45,434 --> 01:55:45,835
All right.

3677
01:55:45,835 --> 01:55:46,769
Thank you.

3678
01:55:46,769 --> 01:55:50,369
City Clerk Staff a chance to

3679
01:55:53,342 --> 01:55:54,144
settle with COUNCILMAN Moreno.

3680
01:55:54,144 --> 01:55:54,510
>> Did you want to make a

3681
01:55:54,510 --> 01:55:54,778
statement?

3682
01:55:54,778 --> 01:55:56,778
Yes.

3683
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:58,114
I'm recusing myself from Agenda

3684
01:55:58,114 --> 01:55:58,848
item 2 or 3 Southwest Village

3685
01:55:58,848 --> 01:56:01,848
Specific plan Project number p

3686
01:56:03,853 --> 01:56:04,821
rj dash 061479.

3687
01:56:04,821 --> 01:56:08,421
I have a conflict of interest

3688
01:56:10,660 --> 01:56:11,361
because the project will have a

3689
01:56:11,361 --> 01:56:13,761
material financial interest on

3690
01:56:17,466 --> 01:56:18,168
residential property I own and

3691
01:56:18,168 --> 01:56:18,868
I will leave the dais and not

3692
01:56:18,868 --> 01:56:21,268
participate in the discussion

3693
01:56:22,905 --> 01:56:23,373
or in the vote.

3694
01:56:23,373 --> 01:56:23,773
Thank you.

3695
01:56:23,773 --> 01:56:24,474
All right.

3696
01:56:24,474 --> 01:56:25,308
Thank you, COUNCILMAN Moreno.

3697
01:56:25,308 --> 01:56:29,508
So I'll give you a minute to

3698
01:56:35,184 --> 01:56:35,585
leave the chambers.

3699
01:56:35,585 --> 01:56:37,585
All right.

3700
01:56:40,824 --> 01:56:41,524
I'm a fact All our staff to

3701
01:56:41,524 --> 01:56:42,292
introduce yourself and let us

3702
01:56:42,292 --> 01:56:45,962
know how much time you need for

3703
01:56:45,962 --> 01:56:46,496
your presentation.

3704
01:56:46,496 --> 01:56:46,862
15 minutes, please.

3705
01:56:46,862 --> 01:56:47,364
All right.

3706
01:56:47,364 --> 01:56:49,364
When you're ready.

3707
01:56:52,102 --> 01:56:52,435
Good afternoon, Council members

3708
01:56:52,435 --> 01:56:53,136
.

3709
01:56:53,136 --> 01:56:53,670
I'm Oscar Galvin's development

3710
01:56:53,670 --> 01:56:54,204
project manager with

3711
01:56:54,204 --> 01:56:54,604
Development Services

3712
01:56:54,604 --> 01:56:56,604
department.

3713
01:56:58,274 --> 01:56:59,800
And joining me is joining

3714
01:56:59,800 --> 01:56:59,743
principal planner with the city

3715
01:56:59,743 --> 01:57:00,342
Planning Department and Michael

3716
01:57:00,342 --> 01:57:00,710
Prince, assistant deputy

3717
01:57:00,710 --> 01:57:02,710
director.

3718
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:04,747
The item before you is

3719
01:57:04,747 --> 01:57:07,147
the Southwest Village specific

3720
01:57:09,252 --> 01:57:09,985
specific plan project.

3721
01:57:09,985 --> 01:57:12,385
The 490 Project Acre project

3722
01:57:15,859 --> 01:57:16,559
site is generally bounded north

3723
01:57:16,559 --> 01:57:19,559
of the us Mexico international

3724
01:57:20,630 --> 01:57:21,331
border east of Interstate 85

3725
01:57:21,331 --> 01:57:21,998
south of State Route 95 and

3726
01:57:21,998 --> 01:57:24,834
west of the Central Village

3727
01:57:24,834 --> 01:57:25,535
Specific plan area within

3728
01:57:25,535 --> 01:57:27,935
the automaker Community plan

3729
01:57:30,907 --> 01:57:31,608
area.

3730
01:57:31,608 --> 01:57:32,242
The required approvals include

3731
01:57:32,242 --> 01:57:34,242
a subsequent environmental

3732
01:57:37,747 --> 01:57:38,448
impact report amendments to

3733
01:57:38,448 --> 01:57:39,116
the general plan and Otay Mesa

3734
01:57:39,116 --> 01:57:41,516
Community Plan the Southwest

3735
01:57:43,420 --> 01:57:44,121
Village specific plan a

3736
01:57:44,121 --> 01:57:46,521
rezoning best interactive map

3737
01:57:48,925 --> 01:57:49,625
type development permit hpi

3738
01:57:49,625 --> 01:57:50,327
Boundary Line Adjustment Road

3739
01:57:50,327 --> 01:57:52,727
Improvement Ordinance and Road

3740
01:57:54,898 --> 01:57:56,898
Improvement Resolution.

3741
01:57:59,669 --> 01:58:01,669
>> >> The project proposes 5130

3742
01:58:05,374 --> 01:58:06,109
homes 175,000ft of commercial

3743
01:58:06,109 --> 01:58:08,509
uses approximately 35 acres of

3744
01:58:10,180 --> 01:58:10,880
parks approximately 16 acres

3745
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:13,280
for potential future school

3746
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:15,752
uses 190 acres of surrounding

3747
01:58:15,752 --> 01:58:18,152
natural open space Connection

3748
01:58:20,523 --> 01:58:21,910
of Caliente Avenue offering

3749
01:58:21,910 --> 01:58:21,692
North-South access and

3750
01:58:21,692 --> 01:58:22,359
the connection to Buyer

3751
01:58:22,359 --> 01:58:24,759
Boulevard offering East West

3752
01:58:26,290 --> 01:58:28,290
access.

3753
01:58:31,267 --> 01:58:31,868
The specific plan area includes

3754
01:58:31,868 --> 01:58:33,868
approximately 70 owners

3755
01:58:35,672 --> 01:58:36,373
Driveway homes shown in blue

3756
01:58:36,373 --> 01:58:38,373
owns approximately 239 acres.

3757
01:58:42,790 --> 01:58:42,513
Otay Mesa llc shown in Orange

3758
01:58:42,513 --> 01:58:43,213
owns 55 acres.

3759
01:58:43,213 --> 01:58:46,213
The Hendler Trust shown intent

3760
01:58:47,318 --> 01:58:48,180
on the 20 acres The city of San

3761
01:58:48,180 --> 01:58:48,685
Diego shown in red owns 12

3762
01:58:48,685 --> 01:58:51,850
acres San Isidro Industrial

3763
01:58:53,423 --> 01:58:54,158
Park llc shown in green on 60

3764
01:58:54,158 --> 01:58:56,960
acres and other property owners

3765
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,360
shown in purple owned

3766
01:59:02,900 --> 01:59:03,666
approximately 95 acres Since

3767
01:59:03,666 --> 01:59:06,660
2017 more than 30 many meetings

3768
01:59:08,839 --> 01:59:09,540
with land owners have occurred

3769
01:59:09,540 --> 01:59:10,174
On SEPTEMBER 13th, 2018 a

3770
01:59:10,174 --> 01:59:12,574
notice of application was

3771
01:59:14,678 --> 01:59:15,379
mailed to all property owners,

3772
01:59:15,379 --> 01:59:15,945
tenants and community planning

3773
01:59:15,945 --> 01:59:18,345
group within 300ft of

3774
01:59:19,650 --> 01:59:20,317
the development On MARCH 4th

3775
01:59:20,317 --> 01:59:21,118
2020 a publicly noticed your

3776
01:59:21,118 --> 01:59:24,718
scoping meeting was held at San

3777
01:59:25,956 --> 01:59:26,890
Ysidro High School.

3778
01:59:26,890 --> 01:59:30,490
Public review of the draft year

3779
01:59:30,494 --> 01:59:31,270
occurred between MAY 1st 2025

3780
01:59:31,270 --> 01:59:33,270
and JUNE 23rd 2025.

3781
01:59:35,865 --> 01:59:36,533
The MARCH Historical Resources

3782
01:59:36,533 --> 01:59:37,234
Board hearing made Planning

3783
01:59:37,234 --> 01:59:37,935
Commission hearing and today's

3784
01:59:37,935 --> 01:59:39,269
City Council hearing have been

3785
01:59:39,269 --> 01:59:41,269
publicly noticed for

3786
01:59:45,976 --> 01:59:46,677
the signing of municipal.

3787
01:59:46,677 --> 01:59:47,412
>> The Southwest Village

3788
01:59:47,412 --> 01:59:48,790
specific plan is being prepared

3789
01:59:48,790 --> 01:59:51,790
in accordance with the Otay

3790
01:59:51,615 --> 01:59:51,916
Mesa Community Plan adopted in

3791
01:59:51,916 --> 01:59:52,583
2014.

3792
01:59:52,583 --> 01:59:53,250
The Otay Mesa Community Plan

3793
01:59:53,250 --> 01:59:56,250
requires a specific plan for

3794
01:59:58,289 --> 01:59:58,989
the Southwest District of Otay

3795
01:59:58,989 --> 01:59:59,690
Mesa to implement the general

3796
01:59:59,690 --> 02:00:02,690
plan City of Villages Strategy

3797
02:00:03,660 --> 02:00:04,362
The Community plan requires

3798
02:00:04,362 --> 02:00:05,960
that the Southwest Village be

3799
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:05,763
planned comprehensively through

3800
02:00:05,763 --> 02:00:08,163
a single contiguous specific

3801
02:00:10,660 --> 02:00:10,701
plan.

3802
02:00:10,701 --> 02:00:11,302
The plan must be privately

3803
02:00:11,302 --> 02:00:12,300
sponsored and developed

3804
02:00:12,300 --> 02:00:14,403
collaboratively with the city

3805
02:00:15,639 --> 02:00:16,340
The Otay Mesa community Plan

3806
02:00:16,340 --> 02:00:17,800
envisions Southwest Village as

3807
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:17,574
a compact, walkable, transit

3808
02:00:17,574 --> 02:00:19,574
oriented village with

3809
02:00:21,379 --> 02:00:21,645
sustainable and efficient land

3810
02:00:21,645 --> 02:00:22,379
use.

3811
02:00:22,379 --> 02:00:23,800
The specific plan would address

3812
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:26,800
design details for the village

3813
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:28,619
core public spaces and provide

3814
02:00:28,619 --> 02:00:29,353
a complete multimodal

3815
02:00:29,353 --> 02:00:31,753
circulation system connected to

3816
02:00:33,690 --> 02:00:34,392
the broader Otay Mesa Network.

3817
02:00:34,392 --> 02:00:35,920
Tri Pointe Homes has prepared

3818
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:35,825
the Southwest Village specific

3819
02:00:35,825 --> 02:00:38,825
plan to implement the Community

3820
02:00:39,997 --> 02:00:40,698
plan's vision and policy

3821
02:00:40,698 --> 02:00:41,365
direction within the Southwest

3822
02:00:41,365 --> 02:00:43,765
Village specific plan area.

3823
02:00:45,903 --> 02:00:46,470
The specific plan creates a

3824
02:00:46,470 --> 02:00:47,710
mixed use village that

3825
02:00:47,710 --> 02:00:47,772
implements the Otay Mesa

3826
02:00:47,772 --> 02:00:51,372
Community Plan and the city of

3827
02:00:51,441 --> 02:00:52,242
villages Strategy.

3828
02:00:52,242 --> 02:00:52,977
It lays out a balanced

3829
02:00:52,977 --> 02:00:55,977
framework for new homes, shops,

3830
02:00:57,514 --> 02:00:58,282
parks, schools and open space

3831
02:00:58,282 --> 02:01:01,282
to support a complete connected

3832
02:01:02,530 --> 02:01:02,753
community and allows up to 5130

3833
02:01:02,753 --> 02:01:03,454
new homes in a variety of

3834
02:01:03,454 --> 02:01:05,854
housing types consistent with

3835
02:01:07,892 --> 02:01:08,593
community plan policies.

3836
02:01:08,593 --> 02:01:09,260
A village core near the Buyer

3837
02:01:09,260 --> 02:01:09,960
Boulevard and County Avenue

3838
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:12,960
would focus on higher density

3839
02:01:13,531 --> 02:01:14,640
mixed use development to

3840
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:14,465
support transit and

3841
02:01:14,465 --> 02:01:15,166
walkability.

3842
02:01:15,166 --> 02:01:18,766
The plan also refines land use

3843
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:19,937
designations to reflect site

3844
02:01:19,937 --> 02:01:20,605
constraints while protecting

3845
02:01:20,605 --> 02:01:20,938
about 200 acres of sensitive

3846
02:01:20,938 --> 02:01:22,938
habitat.

3847
02:01:25,176 --> 02:01:25,776
The specific plan would provide

3848
02:01:25,776 --> 02:01:26,477
the detailed policy and

3849
02:01:26,477 --> 02:01:27,211
regulatory framework to guide

3850
02:01:27,211 --> 02:01:29,211
cohesive development throughout

3851
02:01:30,481 --> 02:01:31,182
Southwest Village.

3852
02:01:31,182 --> 02:01:31,882
The specific plan creates a

3853
02:01:31,882 --> 02:01:33,882
connected multimodal mobility

3854
02:01:36,754 --> 02:01:37,422
network with a grid street

3855
02:01:37,422 --> 02:01:38,156
pattern, a potential transit

3856
02:01:38,156 --> 02:01:41,756
hub and safe walking and biking

3857
02:01:42,193 --> 02:01:42,860
routes.

3858
02:01:42,860 --> 02:01:43,561
Complete streets, trails and

3859
02:01:43,561 --> 02:01:44,195
bike paths link neighborhoods

3860
02:01:44,195 --> 02:01:47,195
to the village core parks,

3861
02:01:48,532 --> 02:01:49,200
schools and future transit

3862
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:49,834
reducing reliance on driving

3863
02:01:49,834 --> 02:01:52,234
and supporting the city's

3864
02:01:53,371 --> 02:01:54,104
climate and mobility goals.

3865
02:01:54,104 --> 02:01:54,772
The plan refines street types

3866
02:01:54,772 --> 02:01:57,172
upgrades, bicycle routes and

3867
02:01:59,544 --> 02:01:59,844
coordinates with city and sand

3868
02:01:59,844 --> 02:02:00,478
bags.

3869
02:02:00,478 --> 02:02:01,179
Regional plans to improve

3870
02:02:01,179 --> 02:02:03,579
access along California Avenue

3871
02:02:04,883 --> 02:02:05,283
via Boulevard and throughout

3872
02:02:05,283 --> 02:02:05,984
the village.

3873
02:02:05,984 --> 02:02:08,984
The specific plan provides up

3874
02:02:09,186 --> 02:02:09,888
to 35 acres of parks and

3875
02:02:09,888 --> 02:02:10,622
recreation areas including two

3876
02:02:10,622 --> 02:02:13,220
neighborhood parks supported by

3877
02:02:14,826 --> 02:02:15,225
smaller parks, plazas, sales

3878
02:02:15,225 --> 02:02:15,826
and trails.

3879
02:02:15,826 --> 02:02:18,226
A value based recreation

3880
02:02:19,597 --> 02:02:20,231
standard ensures each planning

3881
02:02:20,231 --> 02:02:22,631
area delivers high quality

3882
02:02:25,300 --> 02:02:25,770
amenities as it develops.

3883
02:02:25,770 --> 02:02:26,471
Larger parks would be public

3884
02:02:26,471 --> 02:02:27,104
while smaller spaces would be

3885
02:02:27,104 --> 02:02:29,104
privately maintained with

3886
02:02:30,642 --> 02:02:31,309
public access parks and trails

3887
02:02:31,309 --> 02:02:31,942
connect homes, schools, open

3888
02:02:31,942 --> 02:02:34,942
space and the village core

3889
02:02:35,881 --> 02:02:36,581
including a nine acre park near

3890
02:02:36,581 --> 02:02:37,150
the core and a seven acre park

3891
02:02:37,150 --> 02:02:39,150
in the north.

3892
02:02:41,886 --> 02:02:42,554
A future school next to a

3893
02:02:42,554 --> 02:02:43,288
neighborhood park creates a

3894
02:02:43,288 --> 02:02:43,955
community hub and updated trail

3895
02:02:43,955 --> 02:02:46,355
connections link the village

3896
02:02:50,610 --> 02:02:50,762
The broader Otay Mesa system.

3897
02:02:50,762 --> 02:02:53,162
The specific plan preserves

3898
02:02:53,965 --> 02:02:54,666
about 200 acres or roughly 41%

3899
02:02:54,666 --> 02:02:55,299
of the area as permanent open

3900
02:02:55,299 --> 02:02:57,299
space protecting sensitive

3901
02:02:59,570 --> 02:03:00,171
habitats steep slopes and

3902
02:03:00,171 --> 02:03:00,872
landslide prone areas to

3903
02:03:00,872 --> 02:03:02,872
support needed infrastructure

3904
02:03:04,275 --> 02:03:04,809
like the Buyer Boulevard

3905
02:03:04,809 --> 02:03:05,510
extension.

3906
02:03:05,510 --> 02:03:06,440
The plan includes coordinated

3907
02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:06,678
habitat conservation

3908
02:03:06,678 --> 02:03:08,678
adjustments developed with

3909
02:03:09,915 --> 02:03:10,281
state and federal wildlife

3910
02:03:10,281 --> 02:03:10,948
agencies.

3911
02:03:10,948 --> 02:03:13,348
These changes would replace

3912
02:03:15,220 --> 02:03:15,887
affected lands with higher

3913
02:03:15,887 --> 02:03:16,788
value habitat resulting in a

3914
02:03:16,788 --> 02:03:20,292
net gain of about 14 acres of

3915
02:03:20,292 --> 02:03:20,959
major power.

3916
02:03:20,959 --> 02:03:21,625
The conserved areas form a

3917
02:03:21,625 --> 02:03:24,250
contiguous open system that

3918
02:03:25,697 --> 02:03:26,397
supports regional habitat

3919
02:03:26,397 --> 02:03:27,320
linkages, scenic views, trails

3920
02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:27,666
and natural buffers while

3921
02:03:27,666 --> 02:03:29,666
ensuring development avoid

3922
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:33,200
sensitive biological resources.

3923
02:03:36,410 --> 02:03:36,641
The specific plan also outlines

3924
02:03:36,641 --> 02:03:37,242
for water, wastewater,

3925
02:03:37,242 --> 02:03:37,876
drainage, stormwater and

3926
02:03:37,876 --> 02:03:40,276
utility systems needed to

3927
02:03:41,745 --> 02:03:42,280
support development including

3928
02:03:42,280 --> 02:03:42,914
extension of offsite

3929
02:03:42,914 --> 02:03:44,914
infrastructure upgrades to

3930
02:03:46,318 --> 02:03:47,180
existing pump stations and to

3931
02:03:47,180 --> 02:03:47,619
new wastewater lift stations.

3932
02:03:47,619 --> 02:03:49,619
Infrastructure would be

3933
02:03:51,923 --> 02:03:52,624
installed with appropriate

3934
02:03:52,624 --> 02:03:53,191
setbacks from street trees and

3935
02:03:53,191 --> 02:03:55,591
designed to align with

3936
02:03:56,695 --> 02:03:57,280
the village's complete street

3937
02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:57,696
network.

3938
02:03:57,696 --> 02:03:58,396
The specific plan phasing

3939
02:03:58,396 --> 02:04:00,796
ensures that essential public

3940
02:04:02,467 --> 02:04:03,101
facilities such as parks and

3941
02:04:03,101 --> 02:04:03,802
key roadway segments like

3942
02:04:03,802 --> 02:04:06,202
the Buyer Boulevard connection

3943
02:04:07,238 --> 02:04:07,773
to San Ysidro are delivered in

3944
02:04:07,773 --> 02:04:10,173
step with new homes.

3945
02:04:11,509 --> 02:04:12,210
Schools are recognized as vital

3946
02:04:12,210 --> 02:04:12,945
community facilities with two

3947
02:04:12,945 --> 02:04:15,345
potential school sites included

3948
02:04:15,614 --> 02:04:16,214
a primary site and planning

3949
02:04:16,214 --> 02:04:16,882
area 16 and an optional

3950
02:04:16,882 --> 02:04:19,282
secondary site and planning

3951
02:04:20,953 --> 02:04:21,620
area seven subject to Santa

3952
02:04:21,620 --> 02:04:22,354
Sandra School District Needs

3953
02:04:22,354 --> 02:04:25,354
The plan provides clear phasing

3954
02:04:26,291 --> 02:04:27,240
thresholds for school site

3955
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:27,659
acquisition and requires future

3956
02:04:27,659 --> 02:04:30,590
development to pay school

3957
02:04:30,996 --> 02:04:31,597
impact fees to support new

3958
02:04:31,597 --> 02:04:32,264
educational facilities.

3959
02:04:32,264 --> 02:04:32,965
Joint use park opportunities

3960
02:04:32,965 --> 02:04:35,965
are encouraged so that school

3961
02:04:36,568 --> 02:04:37,236
recreation areas can serve

3962
02:04:37,236 --> 02:04:39,636
the broader community during

3963
02:04:41,390 --> 02:04:41,640
non-school hours helping

3964
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:42,341
integrate schools into

3965
02:04:42,341 --> 02:04:42,875
the village's public space and

3966
02:04:42,875 --> 02:04:44,875
recreation network.

3967
02:04:46,879 --> 02:04:47,546
Finally, the closest fire

3968
02:04:47,546 --> 02:04:49,881
station serving the specific

3969
02:04:49,881 --> 02:04:50,649
plan area include fire stations

3970
02:04:50,649 --> 02:04:52,649
29 and Fire Station 43

3971
02:04:54,153 --> 02:04:54,820
additionally fire station 49 as

3972
02:04:54,820 --> 02:04:55,487
planned approximately three

3973
02:04:55,487 --> 02:04:59,870
quarters of a mile north of

3974
02:04:59,691 --> 02:05:00,358
the specific plan area just

3975
02:05:00,358 --> 02:05:03,358
west of County Energy Avenue

3976
02:05:04,263 --> 02:05:04,997
along Otay Mesa Road.

3977
02:05:04,997 --> 02:05:05,597
The specific plan establishes

3978
02:05:05,597 --> 02:05:06,198
supplemental development

3979
02:05:06,198 --> 02:05:08,198
regulations that refine

3980
02:05:08,900 --> 02:05:09,435
the municipal code to guide

3981
02:05:09,435 --> 02:05:10,350
future development.

3982
02:05:10,350 --> 02:05:12,350
These standards address

3983
02:05:13,672 --> 02:05:14,272
setbacks height mixed use

3984
02:05:14,272 --> 02:05:14,873
design grading walls and

3985
02:05:14,873 --> 02:05:16,873
fences, brush management

3986
02:05:18,770 --> 02:05:18,677
trails, transportation

3987
02:05:18,677 --> 02:05:19,440
facilities and wildlife

3988
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:19,711
crossings.

3989
02:05:19,711 --> 02:05:22,111
They also define recreation

3990
02:05:23,182 --> 02:05:23,916
requirements and allowable

3991
02:05:23,916 --> 02:05:24,616
alternative land uses providing

3992
02:05:24,616 --> 02:05:26,616
flexibility while maintaining

3993
02:05:28,220 --> 02:05:28,954
the plan's overall vision.

3994
02:05:28,954 --> 02:05:29,621
Together these regulations form

3995
02:05:29,621 --> 02:05:31,621
the implementation framework

3996
02:05:33,192 --> 02:05:33,892
that ensures all future

3997
02:05:33,892 --> 02:05:34,393
projects align with the plan's

3998
02:05:34,393 --> 02:05:36,393
land use mobility,

3999
02:05:37,997 --> 02:05:38,297
environmental and design goals

4000
02:05:38,297 --> 02:05:39,300
.

4001
02:05:39,300 --> 02:05:39,665
The specific plan also includes

4002
02:05:39,665 --> 02:05:42,650
a comprehensive rezone of

4003
02:05:43,635 --> 02:05:44,269
approximately 747 acres for

4004
02:05:44,269 --> 02:05:46,669
both properties within and

4005
02:05:48,207 --> 02:05:48,907
partially within the plan area

4006
02:05:48,907 --> 02:05:49,575
to apply new bass zones that

4007
02:05:49,575 --> 02:05:51,975
directly implement the land

4008
02:05:52,611 --> 02:05:53,412
uses within the specific plans

4009
02:05:53,412 --> 02:05:54,790
Land Use framework as part of

4010
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:56,479
the specific plan properties

4011
02:05:58,517 --> 02:06:02,117
would be rezone from the air

4012
02:06:02,221 --> 02:06:02,987
112 that are Annex one room

4013
02:06:02,987 --> 02:06:07,187
three seven arm to five arm one

4014
02:06:07,425 --> 02:06:08,226
three over one to op one one

4015
02:06:08,226 --> 02:06:11,163
and the O.C. One one zones

4016
02:06:11,163 --> 02:06:11,830
The rezoning introduce

4017
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:12,565
opportunities for a mix of

4018
02:06:12,565 --> 02:06:14,965
residential densities mixed use

4019
02:06:16,601 --> 02:06:16,902
areas schools, parks and open

4020
02:06:16,902 --> 02:06:17,602
space.

4021
02:06:17,602 --> 02:06:20,200
The Southwest Village specific

4022
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:21,707
plan includes a coordinated

4023
02:06:21,707 --> 02:06:22,307
phasing program to ensure that

4024
02:06:22,307 --> 02:06:24,307
infrastructure utilities

4025
02:06:25,578 --> 02:06:26,245
drainage systems and

4026
02:06:26,245 --> 02:06:28,245
circulation improvements are

4027
02:06:30,249 --> 02:06:30,916
delivered in step with new

4028
02:06:30,916 --> 02:06:31,650
development improvements to

4029
02:06:31,650 --> 02:06:34,650
roads, water and sewer systems,

4030
02:06:35,321 --> 02:06:36,220
stormwater facilities and other

4031
02:06:36,220 --> 02:06:36,755
essential infrastructure would

4032
02:06:36,755 --> 02:06:39,755
be constructed as each planning

4033
02:06:40,593 --> 02:06:41,293
area moves forward.

4034
02:06:41,293 --> 02:06:43,293
>> Aligning upgrades with

4035
02:06:45,300 --> 02:06:45,765
actual growth paths can you

4036
02:06:45,765 --> 02:06:46,299
came back okay and make sure we

4037
02:06:46,299 --> 02:06:48,699
got at least five.

4038
02:06:49,769 --> 02:06:50,435
Sorry for the interruption.

4039
02:06:50,435 --> 02:06:51,103
A phasing summary outlines

4040
02:06:51,103 --> 02:06:53,503
the anticipated sequence of

4041
02:06:54,473 --> 02:06:55,141
land uses over time while still

4042
02:06:55,141 --> 02:06:57,541
allowing flexibility in how

4043
02:06:59,110 --> 02:06:59,545
individual development projects

4044
02:06:59,545 --> 02:07:00,179
proceed.

4045
02:07:00,179 --> 02:07:03,150
The first phase includes a

4046
02:07:03,150 --> 02:07:03,716
testing tentative map for 920

4047
02:07:03,716 --> 02:07:04,160
homes including 92 affordable

4048
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:06,160
homes.

4049
02:07:07,353 --> 02:07:08,540
Setting the foundation for

4050
02:07:08,540 --> 02:07:10,540
early infrastructure and

4051
02:07:12,491 --> 02:07:13,259
community facilities.

4052
02:07:13,259 --> 02:07:16,259
>> The Phase one roads are

4053
02:07:18,630 --> 02:07:19,265
shown in this slide as a

4054
02:07:19,265 --> 02:07:19,932
requirement for item one.

4055
02:07:19,932 --> 02:07:22,332
Preston Tentative Map Buyer

4056
02:07:22,635 --> 02:07:25,571
Boulevard West shown in purple

4057
02:07:25,571 --> 02:07:26,272
will be constructed constructed

4058
02:07:26,272 --> 02:07:26,705
prior to the 700 dwelling unit

4059
02:07:26,705 --> 02:07:28,705
in Phase one.

4060
02:07:30,709 --> 02:07:31,410
Per the specific plan, other

4061
02:07:31,410 --> 02:07:32,110
planning areas will be subject

4062
02:07:32,110 --> 02:07:34,411
to future project level

4063
02:07:35,681 --> 02:07:36,415
analysis including as it

4064
02:07:36,415 --> 02:07:37,116
relates to Buyer Boulevard West

4065
02:07:37,116 --> 02:07:39,116
for necessary infrastructure,

4066
02:07:41,220 --> 02:07:41,921
public facilities and emergency

4067
02:07:41,921 --> 02:07:44,921
action access required at each

4068
02:07:45,124 --> 02:07:46,191
phase of development.

4069
02:07:46,191 --> 02:07:49,191
>> a subsequent air and a

4070
02:07:50,429 --> 02:07:51,164
mitigation monitoring and

4071
02:07:51,164 --> 02:07:51,830
reporting program were prepared

4072
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:54,230
in accordance with section.

4073
02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:55,702
In addition, in addition secure

4074
02:07:55,702 --> 02:07:56,302
findings of fact and a

4075
02:07:56,302 --> 02:07:56,903
statement of overriding

4076
02:07:56,903 --> 02:07:58,903
considerations have been

4077
02:07:59,672 --> 02:08:00,339
prepared.

4078
02:08:00,339 --> 02:08:02,739
There are significant and

4079
02:08:04,100 --> 02:08:04,610
unavoidable impacts to land use

4080
02:08:04,610 --> 02:08:06,610
air quality historical

4081
02:08:08,848 --> 02:08:09,548
resources, human health, noise

4082
02:08:09,548 --> 02:08:11,948
traffic, utilities and tribal

4083
02:08:13,886 --> 02:08:14,587
cultural resources.

4084
02:08:14,587 --> 02:08:16,456
>> For Otay Mesa Community

4085
02:08:16,456 --> 02:08:17,156
Planning Group voted to

4086
02:08:17,156 --> 02:08:19,156
recommend approval of

4087
02:08:21,961 --> 02:08:22,662
the project.

4088
02:08:22,662 --> 02:08:23,262
The Planning Commission voted

4089
02:08:23,262 --> 02:08:25,662
to recommend approval of

4090
02:08:26,432 --> 02:08:27,166
the project.

4091
02:08:27,166 --> 02:08:29,566
Staff recommends approval of

4092
02:08:31,371 --> 02:08:31,804
the Southwest Village specific

4093
02:08:31,804 --> 02:08:32,271
Plan project.

4094
02:08:32,271 --> 02:08:32,639
>> Thank you.

4095
02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:34,639
All right.

4096
02:08:36,876 --> 02:08:37,377
Thank you for the presentation

4097
02:08:37,377 --> 02:08:38,770
Will now hear from

4098
02:08:38,770 --> 02:08:41,140
the applicant on the project.

4099
02:08:41,140 --> 02:08:41,814
I've been told that staff told

4100
02:08:41,814 --> 02:08:42,382
you 15 minutes so I guess I'll

4101
02:08:42,382 --> 02:08:44,382
honor the 15 minutes.

4102
02:08:45,350 --> 02:08:48,855
So do we have a representative

4103
02:08:48,855 --> 02:08:50,855
from the applicant?

4104
02:08:54,294 --> 02:08:54,928
>> Their time is now.

4105
02:08:54,928 --> 02:08:55,328
So introduce yourself for

4106
02:08:55,328 --> 02:08:57,328
the record.

4107
02:08:58,598 --> 02:08:59,265
And as I said you will have up

4108
02:08:59,265 --> 02:08:59,699
to 15 minutes for your

4109
02:08:59,699 --> 02:09:00,650
presentation.

4110
02:09:00,650 --> 02:09:00,533
Thank you.

4111
02:09:00,533 --> 02:09:02,533
Good afternoon.

4112
02:09:03,869 --> 02:09:04,637
City council members.

4113
02:09:04,637 --> 02:09:05,270
My name is Alan Kashani.

4114
02:09:05,270 --> 02:09:07,807
I'm with Tri Point Homes.

4115
02:09:07,807 --> 02:09:08,508
My title is director of Land

4116
02:09:08,508 --> 02:09:11,508
Entitlements and wanted to say

4117
02:09:13,213 --> 02:09:13,847
thank you to staff for getting

4118
02:09:13,847 --> 02:09:14,214
us to this significant

4119
02:09:14,214 --> 02:09:14,881
milestone.

4120
02:09:14,881 --> 02:09:16,983
I've been involved with this

4121
02:09:16,983 --> 02:09:17,284
project for a little over 20

4122
02:09:17,284 --> 02:09:18,500
years.

4123
02:09:18,500 --> 02:09:21,921
If we could go to the next

4124
02:09:21,921 --> 02:09:22,588
slide please just a little bit

4125
02:09:22,588 --> 02:09:23,256
about checkpoint homes were

4126
02:09:23,256 --> 02:09:26,256
formerly Part d homes We've

4127
02:09:26,459 --> 02:09:27,160
built in many of your districts

4128
02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:27,864
And the point we're trying to

4129
02:09:27,864 --> 02:09:31,230
make with this slide is we do

4130
02:09:31,230 --> 02:09:31,765
more than just building homes.

4131
02:09:31,765 --> 02:09:32,365
We build facilities.

4132
02:09:32,365 --> 02:09:34,765
We build fire stations.

4133
02:09:35,100 --> 02:09:37,370
We've provided fire trucks,

4134
02:09:37,370 --> 02:09:39,770
we've built parks, etc..

4135
02:09:43,209 --> 02:09:43,677
Next slide and we can move on

4136
02:09:43,677 --> 02:09:45,677
from this slide.

4137
02:09:47,281 --> 02:09:47,914
I'm going to try and move

4138
02:09:47,914 --> 02:09:48,615
through this presentation

4139
02:09:48,615 --> 02:09:51,615
quickly and Oscar covered this

4140
02:09:51,818 --> 02:09:52,585
one so we can go to the next

4141
02:09:52,585 --> 02:09:56,890
slide a little bit about this

4142
02:09:56,890 --> 02:09:56,956
slide is that we had a lot to

4143
02:09:56,956 --> 02:09:59,956
contend with in regards to

4144
02:10:01,761 --> 02:10:02,462
ownership although the purple

4145
02:10:02,462 --> 02:10:05,462
squares are one acre parcels

4146
02:10:05,699 --> 02:10:06,466
that were created in 1910 and

4147
02:10:06,466 --> 02:10:07,200
I'm going to get into that a

4148
02:10:07,200 --> 02:10:10,670
little bit more But the blue is

4149
02:10:10,670 --> 02:10:14,270
what tri pointe owns and of

4150
02:10:14,608 --> 02:10:14,907
that we're about 1500 to 2100

4151
02:10:14,907 --> 02:10:15,608
units.

4152
02:10:15,608 --> 02:10:18,608
So there'll be some discussion

4153
02:10:19,212 --> 02:10:19,913
I think about 700 units and

4154
02:10:19,913 --> 02:10:20,647
buyer being triggered at that.

4155
02:10:20,647 --> 02:10:23,417
But I wanted to mention we have

4156
02:10:23,417 --> 02:10:24,184
a lot of skin in the game to

4157
02:10:24,184 --> 02:10:26,920
see buyer done and see

4158
02:10:26,920 --> 02:10:28,920
the project through.

4159
02:10:32,292 --> 02:10:32,960
Next slide please.

4160
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:35,960
Our planning effort was most

4161
02:10:36,563 --> 02:10:37,264
recently in well as a City

4162
02:10:37,264 --> 02:10:40,264
submittal made in 2016 when we

4163
02:10:41,602 --> 02:10:42,336
initiated a plan and amendment

4164
02:10:42,336 --> 02:10:45,336
we've been doing a subcommittee

4165
02:10:46,372 --> 02:10:47,740
that's an offshoot of the Otay

4166
02:10:47,740 --> 02:10:50,740
Mesa Planning Board to review

4167
02:10:50,177 --> 02:10:50,844
the land use plan and and work

4168
02:10:50,844 --> 02:10:51,545
through the project And then

4169
02:10:51,545 --> 02:10:54,545
after that we worked with

4170
02:10:55,249 --> 02:10:57,249
the wildlife agencies.

4171
02:10:59,953 --> 02:11:00,554
We also went to the Otay Mesa

4172
02:11:00,554 --> 02:11:01,154
Enhanced Infrastructure

4173
02:11:01,154 --> 02:11:03,154
Infrastructure Financing

4174
02:11:04,824 --> 02:11:05,526
District to talk about buyer

4175
02:11:05,526 --> 02:11:08,526
and getting funding for buyer

4176
02:11:09,296 --> 02:11:10,163
and they allocated some funds

4177
02:11:10,163 --> 02:11:10,864
about 6 million at the time for

4178
02:11:10,864 --> 02:11:13,264
design and construction and

4179
02:11:14,635 --> 02:11:18,835
buyer And and then also we went

4180
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:20,440
to the Otay Mesa Planning Board

4181
02:11:20,440 --> 02:11:20,941
and received a unanimous

4182
02:11:20,941 --> 02:11:21,642
unanimous support.

4183
02:11:21,642 --> 02:11:24,244
And something else I wanted to

4184
02:11:24,244 --> 02:11:27,380
say about this slide is that we

4185
02:11:27,380 --> 02:11:28,150
had a project website Southwest

4186
02:11:28,150 --> 02:11:28,649
Village plan.Com and we're

4187
02:11:28,649 --> 02:11:29,349
particularly proud of that

4188
02:11:29,349 --> 02:11:31,749
outreach because we responded

4189
02:11:32,218 --> 02:11:32,920
to every single email acquire

4190
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:36,520
inquiry during the life of our

4191
02:11:37,223 --> 02:11:37,892
planning effort And then we

4192
02:11:37,892 --> 02:11:38,591
went to Historical Resource

4193
02:11:38,591 --> 02:11:40,991
Board and Planning Commission

4194
02:11:41,661 --> 02:11:42,228
got the project approved.

4195
02:11:42,228 --> 02:11:44,228
Next slide please.

4196
02:11:46,700 --> 02:11:47,400
And this is just a summary

4197
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:51,270
slide of by the numbers of all

4198
02:11:51,270 --> 02:11:54,270
the things we did 75 meetings,

4199
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:56,777
20 subcommittee meetings,

4200
02:11:56,777 --> 02:11:59,777
mailers, website, etc. We can

4201
02:12:00,747 --> 02:12:01,248
we can go to the next slide.

4202
02:12:01,248 --> 02:12:01,982
Thanks Kevin.

4203
02:12:01,982 --> 02:12:04,382
Some constraints and Southwest

4204
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:06,754
Village we had a landslide area

4205
02:12:06,754 --> 02:12:07,454
to reconcile from the general

4206
02:12:07,454 --> 02:12:11,250
plan which there was a lot of

4207
02:12:11,250 --> 02:12:11,659
area lost to the yellow and

4208
02:12:11,659 --> 02:12:14,659
then a vernal pool habitat

4209
02:12:15,396 --> 02:12:16,163
conservation plan went forward

4210
02:12:16,163 --> 02:12:16,864
in around 2018 and all

4211
02:12:16,864 --> 02:12:20,434
the orange area was lost And

4212
02:12:20,434 --> 02:12:23,434
then there's some parcels and

4213
02:12:24,871 --> 02:12:25,773
bright green where the city

4214
02:12:25,773 --> 02:12:28,173
acquired some land for

4215
02:12:30,100 --> 02:12:30,711
conservation that that also

4216
02:12:30,711 --> 02:12:34,311
affected the land plan as we

4217
02:12:34,381 --> 02:12:36,381
see it.

4218
02:12:36,750 --> 02:12:37,384
Let's go to the next slide and

4219
02:12:37,384 --> 02:12:40,384
I'll skip this one because

4220
02:12:41,856 --> 02:12:42,490
Oscar covered it But Buyer

4221
02:12:42,490 --> 02:12:42,823
Boulevard is particularly

4222
02:12:42,823 --> 02:12:44,823
tricky.

4223
02:12:46,927 --> 02:12:50,527
It's been in the community plan

4224
02:12:50,998 --> 02:12:51,966
since 1981 but somehow these

4225
02:12:51,966 --> 02:12:54,966
areas in yellow and light

4226
02:12:56,404 --> 02:12:58,404
fluorescent green became

4227
02:13:01,208 --> 02:13:01,875
conserved and wildlife

4228
02:13:01,875 --> 02:13:02,609
conservation banks were done

4229
02:13:02,609 --> 02:13:06,209
over those areas And the dashed

4230
02:13:06,647 --> 02:13:07,448
line represents where buyer is

4231
02:13:07,448 --> 02:13:08,182
going to go and we had to

4232
02:13:08,182 --> 02:13:11,252
thread the needle and could not

4233
02:13:11,252 --> 02:13:11,852
locate buyer anywhere else

4234
02:13:11,852 --> 02:13:12,486
because to the south was

4235
02:13:12,486 --> 02:13:14,886
landslide to the northwest

4236
02:13:16,570 --> 02:13:16,424
Moody Canyon which was

4237
02:13:16,424 --> 02:13:17,580
sensitive.

4238
02:13:17,580 --> 02:13:17,758
So this caused a lot of

4239
02:13:17,758 --> 02:13:18,125
negotiation with the wildlife

4240
02:13:18,125 --> 02:13:20,125
agencies.

4241
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:21,729
Next slide And we had 27

4242
02:13:21,729 --> 02:13:24,129
meetings with them field

4243
02:13:25,900 --> 02:13:26,600
meetings, working meetings and

4244
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:30,200
it was a long arduous process

4245
02:13:30,638 --> 02:13:31,305
But we came out the other end

4246
02:13:31,305 --> 02:13:34,305
Next slide with basically we

4247
02:13:35,576 --> 02:13:36,310
next to the road down from four

4248
02:13:36,310 --> 02:13:36,978
lanes to two lanes through open

4249
02:13:36,978 --> 02:13:39,978
space and then the wildlife

4250
02:13:40,551 --> 02:13:40,947
agencies required some Mesa top

4251
02:13:40,947 --> 02:13:41,649
replacement.

4252
02:13:41,649 --> 02:13:42,349
There was about four acres of

4253
02:13:42,349 --> 02:13:45,349
vernal pool habitat that we're

4254
02:13:45,819 --> 02:13:48,219
impacting and they required 75%

4255
02:13:48,756 --> 02:13:49,523
conservation in planning area

4256
02:13:49,523 --> 02:13:50,491
23 which MAY come up today.

4257
02:13:50,491 --> 02:13:54,362
So I have another slide to go

4258
02:13:54,362 --> 02:13:55,129
over that and then try point

4259
02:13:55,129 --> 02:13:58,729
had to kick in about 100 acres

4260
02:13:59,320 --> 02:13:59,900
of our land for conservation

4261
02:13:59,900 --> 02:14:00,701
And as part of the negotiation

4262
02:14:00,701 --> 02:14:03,805
and while we're at it we

4263
02:14:03,805 --> 02:14:04,505
incorporated an emergency

4264
02:14:04,505 --> 02:14:05,272
vehicle access route and baked

4265
02:14:05,272 --> 02:14:08,509
that into the plan as part of

4266
02:14:08,509 --> 02:14:10,909
the negotiation with them.

4267
02:14:13,581 --> 02:14:14,315
That's that's that's on Tri

4268
02:14:14,315 --> 02:14:16,715
Point's property and connecting

4269
02:14:16,851 --> 02:14:17,150
up to a road along the border

4270
02:14:17,150 --> 02:14:19,150
wall.

4271
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:22,990
Next slide.

4272
02:14:22,990 --> 02:14:25,990
So they required the 9.8 acres

4273
02:14:26,863 --> 02:14:27,561
of 75% conservation and in a

4274
02:14:27,561 --> 02:14:29,961
particular area called pay 23

4275
02:14:31,650 --> 02:14:31,799
and it's shown in dashed And we

4276
02:14:31,799 --> 02:14:35,399
just wanted to explain why they

4277
02:14:35,436 --> 02:14:36,137
were interested in that area

4278
02:14:36,137 --> 02:14:36,870
And there were three things

4279
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:39,870
Basically the city acquired two

4280
02:14:40,107 --> 02:14:40,808
parcels for Vernal Pool

4281
02:14:40,808 --> 02:14:42,808
Conservation Planning Area 23

4282
02:14:44,779 --> 02:14:45,647
has vernal pools on it and then

4283
02:14:45,647 --> 02:14:49,847
also to the north and around it

4284
02:14:50,118 --> 02:14:50,618
is is vernal pool conservation

4285
02:14:50,618 --> 02:14:52,618
conservation plan.

4286
02:14:54,122 --> 02:14:54,889
So the green is actually a city

4287
02:14:54,889 --> 02:14:57,889
mitigation site and that was

4288
02:14:59,894 --> 02:15:00,627
done for I think it was

4289
02:15:00,627 --> 02:15:03,627
the media in their interchange.

4290
02:15:04,431 --> 02:15:08,310
Next slide Oil Lander is a

4291
02:15:09,337 --> 02:15:10,380
subdivision that was done in

4292
02:15:10,380 --> 02:15:13,380
1910 and we thought we'd show

4293
02:15:13,441 --> 02:15:14,209
you a slide about the land use

4294
02:15:14,209 --> 02:15:14,708
that came out the other end

4295
02:15:14,708 --> 02:15:16,708
the specific plan.

4296
02:15:17,911 --> 02:15:18,613
So there's 120 lots that were

4297
02:15:18,613 --> 02:15:21,130
subdivided back then and

4298
02:15:22,484 --> 02:15:25,420
the city incorporated the area

4299
02:15:25,420 --> 02:15:26,287
in 1984 and the current zoning

4300
02:15:26,287 --> 02:15:30,487
is Air one one which is one

4301
02:15:30,825 --> 02:15:31,793
unit per ten acres.

4302
02:15:31,793 --> 02:15:34,829
What's what's so City and Tri

4303
02:15:34,829 --> 02:15:37,829
Point owns 31 of those 120 lot

4304
02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:38,900
so that leaves 89 lots and of

4305
02:15:38,900 --> 02:15:42,500
those 60 of the 89 lots are in

4306
02:15:42,870 --> 02:15:43,605
red and yellow with

4307
02:15:43,605 --> 02:15:46,500
significantly enhanced value or

4308
02:15:47,642 --> 02:15:51,242
the red is 3262 homes per acre

4309
02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:52,480
in in the village core area and

4310
02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:55,480
then the yellow is 15 to 29

4311
02:15:57,180 --> 02:16:00,618
homes per acre and then areas

4312
02:16:01,823 --> 02:16:04,823
that are hatched green with

4313
02:16:05,327 --> 02:16:06,270
the hatching were designated

4314
02:16:06,270 --> 02:16:06,695
75% conservation by the vernal

4315
02:16:06,695 --> 02:16:09,695
pool conservation plan I, I

4316
02:16:10,498 --> 02:16:11,199
think there was a letter from a

4317
02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:14,199
party today that actually owns

4318
02:16:15,337 --> 02:16:16,370
a parcel there that was

4319
02:16:16,370 --> 02:16:16,638
designated 75% conservation by

4320
02:16:16,638 --> 02:16:19,638
a plan that preceded us.

4321
02:16:20,408 --> 02:16:20,709
I thought that was important to

4322
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:21,276
share.

4323
02:16:21,276 --> 02:16:23,676
And then there's some

4324
02:16:24,779 --> 02:16:25,480
neighborhood park area and then

4325
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:28,483
some area in white that's non

4326
02:16:28,483 --> 02:16:29,284
developable But planning Area

4327
02:16:29,284 --> 02:16:29,985
23 really was the area that got

4328
02:16:29,985 --> 02:16:33,187
impacted as a result of buyer

4329
02:16:33,187 --> 02:16:33,655
having to go through 100%

4330
02:16:33,655 --> 02:16:35,655
conserved lands.

4331
02:16:38,860 --> 02:16:42,460
Next slide and one more please

4332
02:16:42,630 --> 02:16:43,331
Phase Phase one is Tri Point's

4333
02:16:43,331 --> 02:16:45,731
ownership and we incorporated

4334
02:16:46,468 --> 02:16:47,169
an impact area delineated red

4335
02:16:47,169 --> 02:16:47,803
which includes Buyer Boulevard

4336
02:16:47,803 --> 02:16:50,203
and our emergency vehicle

4337
02:16:51,139 --> 02:16:51,773
access route And then we

4338
02:16:51,773 --> 02:16:54,676
included an area to borrow

4339
02:16:54,676 --> 02:16:57,676
material from in areas outside

4340
02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:00,682
the colored area and our buyer

4341
02:17:00,682 --> 02:17:01,349
Boulevard is triggered at

4342
02:17:01,349 --> 02:17:04,349
the 700 It needs to be

4343
02:17:04,653 --> 02:17:07,653
completed by the 700 unit in

4344
02:17:08,991 --> 02:17:12,591
this graphic next slide just a

4345
02:17:12,961 --> 02:17:13,662
little depiction is 420 homes

4346
02:17:13,662 --> 02:17:14,363
are shown in the north and 500

4347
02:17:14,363 --> 02:17:17,832
homes in the south with a mix

4348
02:17:17,832 --> 02:17:18,200
of detached paired homes and

4349
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:20,200
townhomes.

4350
02:17:22,671 --> 02:17:23,405
Next slide please.

4351
02:17:23,405 --> 02:17:24,139
What what is being contributed

4352
02:17:24,139 --> 02:17:27,739
with phase one which is tri

4353
02:17:27,743 --> 02:17:28,410
point homes Ownership is our

4354
02:17:28,410 --> 02:17:30,810
intention is to after

4355
02:17:33,148 --> 02:17:33,849
the projects approved are

4356
02:17:33,849 --> 02:17:37,151
certified go to the Air Safety

4357
02:17:37,151 --> 02:17:37,819
Board and seek funding for

4358
02:17:37,819 --> 02:17:41,419
the road And we have monthly

4359
02:17:41,890 --> 02:17:42,491
meetings with a planning staff

4360
02:17:42,491 --> 02:17:43,158
to talk about financing

4361
02:17:43,158 --> 02:17:45,558
opportunities in that spirit

4362
02:17:46,495 --> 02:17:47,162
and move that forward.

4363
02:17:47,162 --> 02:17:47,796
There's also local mobility

4364
02:17:47,796 --> 02:17:50,796
fees that are a potential

4365
02:17:51,467 --> 02:17:52,134
funding source.

4366
02:17:52,134 --> 02:17:55,134
These are all existing fee

4367
02:17:56,371 --> 02:17:56,905
mechanisms in place but we did

4368
02:17:56,905 --> 02:17:57,606
want to share we're

4369
02:17:57,606 --> 02:18:00,600
contributing over 100 acres of

4370
02:18:00,876 --> 02:18:01,543
our land buyers important

4371
02:18:01,543 --> 02:18:02,440
because it provides gravity

4372
02:18:02,440 --> 02:18:04,444
sewer to the mesa.

4373
02:18:06,382 --> 02:18:07,182
So not only not only is it

4374
02:18:07,182 --> 02:18:10,182
triggered at 700 it kind of

4375
02:18:11,620 --> 02:18:12,353
activates Southwest Village and

4376
02:18:12,353 --> 02:18:13,220
all the all the property owners

4377
02:18:13,220 --> 02:18:15,422
and various ownerships there

4378
02:18:15,757 --> 02:18:16,492
you know, instead of having 70

4379
02:18:16,492 --> 02:18:17,126
pump stations, you know there's

4380
02:18:17,126 --> 02:18:20,262
a there would be a gravity

4381
02:18:20,262 --> 02:18:20,896
system and then also it's

4382
02:18:20,896 --> 02:18:23,896
1,000,000yd of cut that is

4383
02:18:25,330 --> 02:18:25,633
really not practical practical

4384
02:18:25,633 --> 02:18:28,330
to dispose of elsewhere.

4385
02:18:29,572 --> 02:18:30,539
It would most conveniently be

4386
02:18:30,539 --> 02:18:34,109
disposed of at like a $3 per

4387
02:18:34,109 --> 02:18:34,910
cubic yard price as opposed to

4388
02:18:34,910 --> 02:18:37,910
a $30 per cubic yard price

4389
02:18:38,580 --> 02:18:39,148
where it and try point

4390
02:18:39,148 --> 02:18:39,615
subdivision so we can

4391
02:18:39,615 --> 02:18:41,615
accommodate it.

4392
02:18:44,190 --> 02:18:44,887
We just have to go get funding

4393
02:18:44,887 --> 02:18:45,153
for it and our plan is to build

4394
02:18:45,153 --> 02:18:47,153
it.

4395
02:18:48,123 --> 02:18:48,824
We also kicked in 6.5 million

4396
02:18:48,824 --> 02:18:51,824
for over 300 acres of open

4397
02:18:52,861 --> 02:18:53,495
space to try point would be

4398
02:18:53,495 --> 02:18:54,229
turning over to the city.

4399
02:18:54,229 --> 02:18:57,165
The 6.5 million is for long

4400
02:18:57,165 --> 02:18:58,320
term funding.

4401
02:18:58,320 --> 02:19:01,632
We're not required to do that.

4402
02:19:02,270 --> 02:19:03,720
The current mcp doesn't require

4403
02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:06,908
us to do that but we recognize

4404
02:19:06,908 --> 02:19:07,609
that's a practical way to move

4405
02:19:07,609 --> 02:19:10,900
Southwest Village forward and

4406
02:19:10,746 --> 02:19:11,313
we're contributing over 30

4407
02:19:11,313 --> 02:19:11,947
million and community

4408
02:19:11,947 --> 02:19:13,947
improvements that benefit

4409
02:19:15,618 --> 02:19:16,285
others including backbone roads

4410
02:19:16,285 --> 02:19:18,685
and utilities and then

4411
02:19:19,988 --> 02:19:20,289
contributing 50 million in

4412
02:19:20,289 --> 02:19:20,956
fees.

4413
02:19:20,956 --> 02:19:23,956
That's just in our first

4414
02:19:24,460 --> 02:19:25,428
tentative map.

4415
02:19:25,428 --> 02:19:26,950
Oscar if we I'm sorry Kevin if

4416
02:19:26,950 --> 02:19:29,532
we can go to the next slide.

4417
02:19:29,532 --> 02:19:30,333
We're also I mentioned

4418
02:19:30,333 --> 02:19:30,732
the three and a 40 acres of

4419
02:19:30,732 --> 02:19:31,400
open space.

4420
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:34,336
We're doing a 33 acre vernal

4421
02:19:34,336 --> 02:19:35,710
pool restoration project to

4422
02:19:35,710 --> 02:19:38,710
move the specific plan forward.

4423
02:19:39,842 --> 02:19:40,509
And then we've cited a ten and

4424
02:19:40,509 --> 02:19:43,845
a half acre park on our

4425
02:19:43,845 --> 02:19:44,513
property And then both schools

4426
02:19:44,513 --> 02:19:47,513
once the first school is

4427
02:19:48,383 --> 02:19:49,510
entirely on dry points property

4428
02:19:49,510 --> 02:19:49,619
and then the second school

4429
02:19:49,619 --> 02:19:52,190
which is optional for

4430
02:19:53,756 --> 02:19:54,424
the school district is on

4431
02:19:54,424 --> 02:19:54,890
the on most of dry points

4432
02:19:54,890 --> 02:19:56,890
second property.

4433
02:19:58,327 --> 02:19:59,610
So we feel like we open space

4434
02:19:59,610 --> 02:20:01,464
schools parks we've kicked in a

4435
02:20:01,464 --> 02:20:05,640
lot to to get this community

4436
02:20:06,769 --> 02:20:07,536
going And next slide this is

4437
02:20:07,536 --> 02:20:08,137
just a graphic that gives you a

4438
02:20:08,137 --> 02:20:11,137
flavor for the types of

4439
02:20:11,174 --> 02:20:11,573
elevations of homes.

4440
02:20:11,573 --> 02:20:13,573
Next slide.

4441
02:20:16,345 --> 02:20:17,460
And then just to wrap up, I

4442
02:20:17,460 --> 02:20:17,913
think I've shared all this but

4443
02:20:17,913 --> 02:20:21,517
I did want to say the proposal

4444
02:20:21,517 --> 02:20:21,984
includes 10% affordable housing

4445
02:20:21,984 --> 02:20:22,852
in our project.

4446
02:20:22,852 --> 02:20:26,452
We're planning on doing that on

4447
02:20:26,456 --> 02:20:30,526
site and that's the end of my

4448
02:20:30,526 --> 02:20:30,926
presentation.

4449
02:20:30,926 --> 02:20:31,694
All right.

4450
02:20:31,694 --> 02:20:32,461
So we have a presentation by

4451
02:20:32,461 --> 02:20:35,461
staff and a presentation by

4452
02:20:35,498 --> 02:20:36,199
the applicant with that clerk

4453
02:20:36,199 --> 02:20:38,599
Please proceed with public

4454
02:20:40,690 --> 02:20:40,937
comment.

4455
02:20:40,937 --> 02:20:44,240
We will start with our first

4456
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:44,940
organized presentation not

4457
02:20:44,940 --> 02:20:45,608
first because we have multiple

4458
02:20:45,608 --> 02:20:46,342
first because it's the first

4459
02:20:46,342 --> 02:20:46,709
ever organized presentation for

4460
02:20:46,709 --> 02:20:48,709
the city.

4461
02:20:49,780 --> 02:20:49,846
Congratulations.

4462
02:20:49,846 --> 02:20:50,512
Marcela Escobar is our lead

4463
02:20:50,512 --> 02:20:51,147
presenter and if I can have

4464
02:20:51,147 --> 02:20:53,147
the following participants

4465
02:20:54,750 --> 02:20:55,385
please raise their hands.

4466
02:20:55,385 --> 02:20:57,385
Michael Shumaker, William

4467
02:20:59,722 --> 02:21:00,223
Spurgeon Danny Dennis Handler.

4468
02:21:00,223 --> 02:21:00,857
Steven Shoemaker.

4469
02:21:00,857 --> 02:21:03,857
Tom Noel Rufo Ben Handler.

4470
02:21:04,761 --> 02:21:05,600
Antonio Lizarraga and Calvin

4471
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:05,828
Shaw.

4472
02:21:05,828 --> 02:21:06,262
You can all raise your hands at

4473
02:21:06,262 --> 02:21:08,262
the same time.

4474
02:21:09,265 --> 02:21:09,899
Thank you so much.

4475
02:21:09,899 --> 02:21:10,800
You'll have nine minutes.

4476
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:14,400
MISS Clark Just a point of

4477
02:21:15,380 --> 02:21:15,771
clarification Michael

4478
02:21:15,771 --> 02:21:16,472
Schumacher speaking right after

4479
02:21:16,472 --> 02:21:17,139
me is a part of the Cavaliers

4480
02:21:17,139 --> 02:21:17,440
and you can make it your own

4481
02:21:17,440 --> 02:21:18,107
times.

4482
02:21:18,107 --> 02:21:18,674
Okay.

4483
02:21:18,674 --> 02:21:19,108
Thank you so much.

4484
02:21:19,108 --> 02:21:19,976
Good evening.

4485
02:21:19,976 --> 02:21:23,780
Before you go, if he is going

4486
02:21:23,780 --> 02:21:24,447
to be you said who Michael

4487
02:21:24,447 --> 02:21:24,814
Schumacher you'll be sharing

4488
02:21:24,814 --> 02:21:26,814
your time.

4489
02:21:29,285 --> 02:21:30,190
So he didn't just come up

4490
02:21:30,190 --> 02:21:30,720
because then it's going to take

4491
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:30,987
all that time for him to Thank

4492
02:21:30,987 --> 02:21:31,487
you.

4493
02:21:31,487 --> 02:21:31,954
Thank you so much.

4494
02:21:31,954 --> 02:21:32,354
Please proceed.

4495
02:21:32,354 --> 02:21:33,560
Yeah, yeah.

4496
02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:33,623
Just stay there.

4497
02:21:33,623 --> 02:21:34,570
Just be great.

4498
02:21:34,570 --> 02:21:36,570
Good evening.

4499
02:21:37,326 --> 02:21:37,993
Council PRESIDENT LaCava,

4500
02:21:37,993 --> 02:21:38,661
Members of the City Council.

4501
02:21:38,661 --> 02:21:39,362
My name is Marcela Escobar.

4502
02:21:39,362 --> 02:21:42,980
I'm the PRESIDENT Ceo of

4503
02:21:42,980 --> 02:21:42,866
Atlantis Group.

4504
02:21:42,866 --> 02:21:43,432
I'm here first of all to

4505
02:21:43,432 --> 02:21:45,432
respectfully request a

4506
02:21:47,437 --> 02:21:48,304
continuance of this item.

4507
02:21:48,304 --> 02:21:49,172
I think I've been doing this

4508
02:21:49,172 --> 02:21:51,907
for 39 years now and I don't

4509
02:21:51,907 --> 02:21:52,709
oppose projects.

4510
02:21:52,709 --> 02:21:53,209
This is only the second time

4511
02:21:53,209 --> 02:21:53,909
that we are in

4512
02:21:53,909 --> 02:21:56,309
the uncomfortable position of

4513
02:21:56,746 --> 02:21:57,614
having major concerns over a

4514
02:21:57,614 --> 02:22:01,214
project and we feel that this

4515
02:22:01,318 --> 02:22:01,985
particular specific plan that's

4516
02:22:01,985 --> 02:22:02,652
moving forward has a flawed

4517
02:22:02,652 --> 02:22:04,652
roadway infrastructure plan

4518
02:22:06,222 --> 02:22:06,923
associated with it.

4519
02:22:06,923 --> 02:22:07,624
What basically is going to be

4520
02:22:07,624 --> 02:22:08,291
happening is you've been told

4521
02:22:08,291 --> 02:22:10,691
today that you're approving

4522
02:22:11,360 --> 02:22:12,328
over 5000 units but what you're

4523
02:22:12,328 --> 02:22:15,532
going to get is 700 units over

4524
02:22:15,532 --> 02:22:16,299
the next probably 15 years by

4525
02:22:16,299 --> 02:22:19,469
approving some items c and f it

4526
02:22:19,469 --> 02:22:20,136
will be a de facto moratorium

4527
02:22:20,136 --> 02:22:23,136
in that area because nothing

4528
02:22:24,107 --> 02:22:24,774
else in this specific plan is

4529
02:22:24,774 --> 02:22:25,108
going to be able to move

4530
02:22:25,108 --> 02:22:25,709
forward.

4531
02:22:25,709 --> 02:22:28,709
We believe the way that

4532
02:22:28,712 --> 02:22:29,379
the analysis was done was not

4533
02:22:29,379 --> 02:22:31,779
appropriate and it basically

4534
02:22:33,449 --> 02:22:34,250
defers what needs to happen for

4535
02:22:34,250 --> 02:22:34,950
all of the traffic analysis for

4536
02:22:34,950 --> 02:22:38,354
the rest of the specific plan

4537
02:22:38,354 --> 02:22:38,989
to a later date our clients

4538
02:22:38,989 --> 02:22:39,389
were actually shut out of

4539
02:22:39,389 --> 02:22:41,389
the process.

4540
02:22:43,126 --> 02:22:43,792
You got some very pretty slides

4541
02:22:43,792 --> 02:22:46,663
talking about all the public

4542
02:22:46,663 --> 02:22:47,430
outreach during all of those 20

4543
02:22:47,430 --> 02:22:48,980
some odd meetings that were had

4544
02:22:48,980 --> 02:22:50,498
with the wildlife agencies.

4545
02:22:51,801 --> 02:22:52,502
The two primary other primary

4546
02:22:52,502 --> 02:22:53,690
landowners, the Bachmanns and

4547
02:22:53,690 --> 02:22:53,770
the handlers I'm here

4548
02:22:53,770 --> 02:22:56,170
representing the handlers were

4549
02:22:56,273 --> 02:22:56,973
not included in that process

4550
02:22:56,973 --> 02:22:57,607
despite the fact that we asked

4551
02:22:57,607 --> 02:23:00,607
the city multiple times to

4552
02:23:01,144 --> 02:23:01,478
please include us in that

4553
02:23:01,478 --> 02:23:02,312
process.

4554
02:23:02,312 --> 02:23:05,248
The plan before you before you

4555
02:23:05,248 --> 02:23:05,882
today is not the one that was

4556
02:23:05,882 --> 02:23:08,282
shared during the initial

4557
02:23:08,285 --> 02:23:09,190
outreach meetings.

4558
02:23:09,190 --> 02:23:09,686
The first time that everybody

4559
02:23:09,686 --> 02:23:10,353
saw the new plan was when it

4560
02:23:10,353 --> 02:23:13,353
came out for public review.

4561
02:23:13,724 --> 02:23:14,458
We think that there are some

4562
02:23:14,458 --> 02:23:14,791
things the plan does need to go

4563
02:23:14,791 --> 02:23:15,559
forward.

4564
02:23:15,559 --> 02:23:19,159
We understand that But we think

4565
02:23:19,263 --> 02:23:19,763
that it can be done in a more

4566
02:23:19,763 --> 02:23:20,597
equitable fashion.

4567
02:23:20,597 --> 02:23:23,533
Now I'll turn it over to MR.

4568
02:23:23,533 --> 02:23:24,330
Schumacher.

4569
02:23:24,330 --> 02:23:26,330
Thank you, Michel.

4570
02:23:26,737 --> 02:23:30,937
Is there a time clock that I

4571
02:23:32,508 --> 02:23:33,750
can read or a seven minutes?

4572
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:33,477
We can't share that.

4573
02:23:33,477 --> 02:23:34,144
I'm sorry.

4574
02:23:34,144 --> 02:23:36,680
Yeah, I'm pausing your time.

4575
02:23:36,680 --> 02:23:37,380
We can't share the timer and

4576
02:23:37,380 --> 02:23:38,150
the and the visual at the same

4577
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:38,382
time because we're having

4578
02:23:38,382 --> 02:23:40,382
problems.

4579
02:23:41,952 --> 02:23:42,653
But I'll give you a 32nd or a

4580
02:23:42,653 --> 02:23:43,860
one minute wrap up time so

4581
02:23:43,860 --> 02:23:43,453
you're aware.

4582
02:23:43,453 --> 02:23:45,453
Thank you.

4583
02:23:46,256 --> 02:23:47,123
Please proceed.

4584
02:23:47,123 --> 02:23:47,524
>> You have seven minutes and

4585
02:23:47,524 --> 02:23:49,524
one second.

4586
02:23:51,940 --> 02:23:51,495
Thank you, Michel.

4587
02:23:51,495 --> 02:23:51,862
Go ahead.

4588
02:23:51,862 --> 02:23:52,329
Thank you.

4589
02:23:52,329 --> 02:23:52,995
Good afternoon.

4590
02:23:52,995 --> 02:23:55,395
Council PRESIDENT LaCava and

4591
02:23:56,432 --> 02:23:57,670
San Diego City Council members

4592
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:57,768
My name is Michael Handler

4593
02:23:57,768 --> 02:24:00,768
Shoemaker and I'm speaking on

4594
02:24:01,671 --> 02:24:02,372
behalf of bdm 28 llc You

4595
02:24:02,372 --> 02:24:02,706
listeners handler Their trust

4596
02:24:02,706 --> 02:24:04,706
on this.

4597
02:24:05,509 --> 02:24:06,143
The Handler family is the third

4598
02:24:06,143 --> 02:24:06,709
largest property owner in

4599
02:24:06,709 --> 02:24:07,377
the Southwest Village.

4600
02:24:07,377 --> 02:24:09,847
My family has been an active

4601
02:24:09,847 --> 02:24:10,314
property owner in Otay Mesa

4602
02:24:10,314 --> 02:24:12,314
since the 1960s.

4603
02:24:14,284 --> 02:24:15,510
My grandfather donated 37 acres

4604
02:24:15,510 --> 02:24:16,190
for Buyer Park 25 years ago as

4605
02:24:16,190 --> 02:24:19,560
evidenced by sup Item h of this

4606
02:24:19,560 --> 02:24:19,656
agenda item our family's

4607
02:24:19,656 --> 02:24:20,257
donation is critical to

4608
02:24:20,257 --> 02:24:22,657
the buyer West Broadway

4609
02:24:23,861 --> 02:24:24,461
extension in conjunction with

4610
02:24:24,461 --> 02:24:25,194
the Bachman family We as

4611
02:24:25,194 --> 02:24:28,194
the two largest property owners

4612
02:24:28,732 --> 02:24:29,600
after tripling submitted a

4613
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:30,267
letter to all of you last week

4614
02:24:30,267 --> 02:24:30,567
that we hope you had time to

4615
02:24:30,567 --> 02:24:32,567
read.

4616
02:24:33,470 --> 02:24:34,171
As stated we are simply asking

4617
02:24:34,171 --> 02:24:34,938
you to delay adoption to allow

4618
02:24:34,938 --> 02:24:37,938
city staff time to address

4619
02:24:38,420 --> 02:24:38,642
several fatal flaws and

4620
02:24:38,642 --> 02:24:39,275
inadequacies so that all

4621
02:24:39,275 --> 02:24:42,275
the property owners have a

4622
02:24:42,646 --> 02:24:43,213
reliable planning document with

4623
02:24:43,213 --> 02:24:43,948
which to move forward.

4624
02:24:43,948 --> 02:24:47,548
We also followed up that letter

4625
02:24:47,785 --> 02:24:48,551
with a more detailed analysis

4626
02:24:48,551 --> 02:24:49,253
that lists all we believe must

4627
02:24:49,253 --> 02:24:51,653
be corrected before adoption.

4628
02:24:52,189 --> 02:24:52,856
One of the biggest flaws in

4629
02:24:52,856 --> 02:24:53,590
the specific plan is that it

4630
02:24:53,590 --> 02:24:56,590
requires the extension of Buyer

4631
02:24:56,993 --> 02:24:57,695
West to be operational prior to

4632
02:24:57,695 --> 02:25:00,695
the occupancy of the 700 unit

4633
02:25:01,198 --> 02:25:01,831
buyer West is approximately one

4634
02:25:01,831 --> 02:25:04,231
mile of expensive roadway

4635
02:25:05,469 --> 02:25:06,170
estimated to cost at least $60

4636
02:25:06,170 --> 02:25:06,537
million for two lanes just one

4637
02:25:06,537 --> 02:25:08,537
each way.

4638
02:25:09,872 --> 02:25:10,508
This aspect of the phasing plan

4639
02:25:10,508 --> 02:25:11,208
effectively prevents other

4640
02:25:11,208 --> 02:25:14,208
owners from even beginning to

4641
02:25:14,278 --> 02:25:14,979
process entitlement

4642
02:25:14,979 --> 02:25:15,346
applications until Buyer West

4643
02:25:15,346 --> 02:25:15,913
is built.

4644
02:25:15,913 --> 02:25:18,313
Please be aware that

4645
02:25:19,984 --> 02:25:20,651
the applicant takes the initial

4646
02:25:20,651 --> 02:25:21,285
allocation of 700 units and

4647
02:25:21,285 --> 02:25:23,685
requires everyone to wait.

4648
02:25:24,455 --> 02:25:25,155
Nobody knows the answer to

4649
02:25:25,155 --> 02:25:28,155
the questions of what happens

4650
02:25:28,291 --> 02:25:28,859
if Buyer West is never built or

4651
02:25:28,859 --> 02:25:29,627
unreasonably delayed.

4652
02:25:29,627 --> 02:25:33,697
Here are a few areas that we

4653
02:25:33,697 --> 02:25:34,230
want to resolve with city staff

4654
02:25:34,230 --> 02:25:35,266
and the applicant.

4655
02:25:35,266 --> 02:25:38,340
We think it is a mistake to

4656
02:25:38,340 --> 02:25:38,502
allow the applicant to proceed

4657
02:25:38,502 --> 02:25:40,502
with 699 units.

4658
02:25:41,739 --> 02:25:42,439
The sequel findings list 14

4659
02:25:42,439 --> 02:25:43,140
entitlements some of which are

4660
02:25:43,140 --> 02:25:46,140
not before the council today.

4661
02:25:46,677 --> 02:25:47,344
So Buyer West cannot be legally

4662
02:25:47,344 --> 02:25:47,711
built until these are also

4663
02:25:47,711 --> 02:25:48,346
approved.

4664
02:25:48,346 --> 02:25:51,346
The air never analyze what

4665
02:25:51,849 --> 02:25:52,482
happens if the critical right

4666
02:25:52,482 --> 02:25:53,150
of way acquisitions fail.

4667
02:25:53,150 --> 02:25:55,119
Nobody knows when Buyer West

4668
02:25:55,119 --> 02:25:59,756
will be built or how it will be

4669
02:25:59,756 --> 02:26:00,590
paid for.

4670
02:26:00,590 --> 02:26:03,994
>> We think it was also a

4671
02:26:03,994 --> 02:26:04,629
mistake to not evaluate first

4672
02:26:04,629 --> 02:26:05,296
building the extension of

4673
02:26:05,296 --> 02:26:05,763
Caliente Avenue before Buyer

4674
02:26:05,763 --> 02:26:08,163
West is shown on

4675
02:26:08,833 --> 02:26:09,600
the presentation screen.

4676
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:13,200
We think this will cost only

4677
02:26:13,403 --> 02:26:14,171
15% of Buyer west and produce

4678
02:26:14,171 --> 02:26:14,906
far more housing that will be

4679
02:26:14,906 --> 02:26:18,506
built not only by the applicant

4680
02:26:18,776 --> 02:26:19,409
but others as well.

4681
02:26:19,409 --> 02:26:19,877
The specific plan fails to

4682
02:26:19,877 --> 02:26:21,877
provide you with

4683
02:26:23,180 --> 02:26:23,848
the information needed to make

4684
02:26:23,848 --> 02:26:24,514
an informed decision today.

4685
02:26:24,514 --> 02:26:26,914
Of particular importance is

4686
02:26:27,952 --> 02:26:28,653
the complete lack of any

4687
02:26:28,653 --> 02:26:30,653
infrastructure financing plan

4688
02:26:32,723 --> 02:26:33,290
fair share contribution formula

4689
02:26:33,290 --> 02:26:34,910
or cost information.

4690
02:26:34,910 --> 02:26:37,595
The recent and nearby Otay Mesa

4691
02:26:37,595 --> 02:26:38,229
Central Village specific plan

4692
02:26:38,229 --> 02:26:40,629
include a roadway trigger

4693
02:26:42,533 --> 02:26:43,200
analysis with fair share

4694
02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:43,834
percentages that the Central

4695
02:26:43,834 --> 02:26:46,738
Village would pay Most of

4696
02:26:46,738 --> 02:26:47,438
the cities that my team has

4697
02:26:47,438 --> 02:26:48,139
worked in require a separate

4698
02:26:48,139 --> 02:26:51,139
chapter and all specific plans

4699
02:26:52,276 --> 02:26:52,810
and precise plans that outline

4700
02:26:52,810 --> 02:26:53,543
the financing plan,

4701
02:26:53,543 --> 02:26:57,143
the estimated cost and the fair

4702
02:26:57,148 --> 02:26:57,882
share contributions.

4703
02:26:57,882 --> 02:26:58,549
We believe you should consider

4704
02:26:58,549 --> 02:26:59,183
this as a requirement before

4705
02:26:59,183 --> 02:27:01,583
adoption of the Southwest

4706
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:03,200
Village Specific plan not

4707
02:27:03,200 --> 02:27:03,655
after.

4708
02:27:03,655 --> 02:27:06,550
More importantly, we asked

4709
02:27:07,491 --> 02:27:08,191
the city both the city and

4710
02:27:08,191 --> 02:27:08,859
the applicant how the immense

4711
02:27:08,859 --> 02:27:09,360
costs would be financed when

4712
02:27:09,360 --> 02:27:11,760
and how fair share

4713
02:27:12,363 --> 02:27:12,763
contributions would be

4714
02:27:12,763 --> 02:27:13,431
determined.

4715
02:27:13,431 --> 02:27:16,431
The response we received was

4716
02:27:17,350 --> 02:27:17,735
that after the air was

4717
02:27:17,735 --> 02:27:18,435
certified in the specific plan

4718
02:27:18,435 --> 02:27:18,803
adopted these issues would be

4719
02:27:18,803 --> 02:27:20,803
addressed.

4720
02:27:21,772 --> 02:27:22,473
We believe that this is

4721
02:27:22,473 --> 02:27:23,174
critical information that you

4722
02:27:23,174 --> 02:27:26,774
need to know before you decide

4723
02:27:26,910 --> 02:27:27,378
whether to adopt what is

4724
02:27:27,378 --> 02:27:28,111
proposed or not.

4725
02:27:28,111 --> 02:27:28,780
With all of this in mind,

4726
02:27:28,780 --> 02:27:31,549
please delay your vote today

4727
02:27:31,549 --> 02:27:32,149
and instruct staff as the lead

4728
02:27:32,149 --> 02:27:32,817
agency to work with us,

4729
02:27:32,817 --> 02:27:35,817
the applicant and the other

4730
02:27:36,988 --> 02:27:37,522
property owners to find

4731
02:27:37,522 --> 02:27:38,890
equitable solutions.

4732
02:27:38,890 --> 02:27:38,756
With the facts in hand

4733
02:27:38,756 --> 02:27:41,693
the matter will come back to

4734
02:27:41,693 --> 02:27:42,393
you So that you can make an

4735
02:27:42,393 --> 02:27:43,600
informed decision on what you

4736
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:46,331
know rather than what you or

4737
02:27:46,331 --> 02:27:47,650
someone else might think.

4738
02:27:47,650 --> 02:27:47,765
This will ensure that San Diego

4739
02:27:47,765 --> 02:27:48,466
benefits from greater housing

4740
02:27:48,466 --> 02:27:50,168
production and infrastructure

4741
02:27:50,168 --> 02:27:50,502
in the entire Southwest

4742
02:27:50,502 --> 02:27:51,236
Village.

4743
02:27:51,236 --> 02:27:53,636
>> Thank you for your

4744
02:27:55,306 --> 02:27:55,707
consideration.

4745
02:27:55,707 --> 02:27:56,273
Thank you.

4746
02:27:56,273 --> 02:27:58,273
That concludes your

4747
02:28:00,440 --> 02:28:00,745
presentation then You still

4748
02:28:00,745 --> 02:28:01,450
have three minutes but you're

4749
02:28:01,450 --> 02:28:03,450
good.

4750
02:28:04,915 --> 02:28:05,583
All right.

4751
02:28:05,583 --> 02:28:06,251
Alright continue on with

4752
02:28:06,251 --> 02:28:09,251
the rest of public comment.

4753
02:28:10,540 --> 02:28:10,688
City Clerk Thank you.

4754
02:28:10,688 --> 02:28:11,355
Council PRESIDENT Going to

4755
02:28:11,355 --> 02:28:12,570
individual speakers starting

4756
02:28:12,570 --> 02:28:14,258
with Roll Alcantara if you can

4757
02:28:14,258 --> 02:28:14,959
please come up to the podium

4758
02:28:14,959 --> 02:28:15,592
after that if I can have

4759
02:28:15,592 --> 02:28:17,592
the following individuals

4760
02:28:19,464 --> 02:28:19,931
please come up to the yellow

4761
02:28:19,931 --> 02:28:21,931
reserved seats.

4762
02:28:23,968 --> 02:28:24,369
Chris Abrams Jim Whalen.

4763
02:28:24,369 --> 02:28:24,803
Rob Hixon.

4764
02:28:24,803 --> 02:28:26,803
Michael King.

4765
02:28:29,273 --> 02:28:29,873
Maximilian Schmidt, Antonio

4766
02:28:29,873 --> 02:28:32,273
Blas and Manuel Garcia.

4767
02:28:33,178 --> 02:28:33,945
And then last is allegedly

4768
02:28:33,945 --> 02:28:34,613
Audra please come up to that

4769
02:28:34,613 --> 02:28:35,790
front row for better meeting

4770
02:28:35,790 --> 02:28:37,790
management role.

4771
02:28:38,490 --> 02:28:38,583
You'll have one minute you'll

4772
02:28:38,583 --> 02:28:38,983
see the timer up on

4773
02:28:38,983 --> 02:28:39,451
the screens.

4774
02:28:39,451 --> 02:28:39,818
Please proceed.

4775
02:28:39,818 --> 02:28:41,818
Thank you.

4776
02:28:43,788 --> 02:28:44,456
Good afternoon.

4777
02:28:44,456 --> 02:28:45,560
The City Council roll out

4778
02:28:45,560 --> 02:28:46,991
cantar with cross-border

4779
02:28:46,991 --> 02:28:47,626
express as supports this

4780
02:28:47,626 --> 02:28:48,326
project generally and also

4781
02:28:48,326 --> 02:28:48,860
continued growth in Otay Mesa

4782
02:28:48,860 --> 02:28:51,260
as proud members of

4783
02:28:52,631 --> 02:28:53,298
the community we recently

4784
02:28:53,298 --> 02:28:53,865
celebrated ten years having

4785
02:28:53,865 --> 02:28:55,865
served over 31 million

4786
02:28:57,335 --> 02:28:58,300
travelers and generated

4787
02:28:58,300 --> 02:28:58,636
approximately 1.5 billion in

4788
02:28:58,636 --> 02:29:01,360
annual economic impact for

4789
02:29:02,841 --> 02:29:03,174
the regional and bi national

4790
02:29:03,174 --> 02:29:03,874
economy.

4791
02:29:03,874 --> 02:29:04,475
This growth however should be

4792
02:29:04,475 --> 02:29:06,875
matched with the pending

4793
02:29:08,790 --> 02:29:08,747
completion of essential roadway

4794
02:29:08,747 --> 02:29:09,381
infrastructure Most urgently

4795
02:29:09,381 --> 02:29:11,781
the unfinished segment of

4796
02:29:12,484 --> 02:29:13,185
Champagne River Road between la

4797
02:29:13,185 --> 02:29:13,918
Media and Britannia continues

4798
02:29:13,918 --> 02:29:16,918
to force passenger vehicles and

4799
02:29:17,722 --> 02:29:18,456
heavy logistics traffic into a

4800
02:29:18,456 --> 02:29:19,124
single constrained access point

4801
02:29:19,124 --> 02:29:21,524
through the Britannia Airway

4802
02:29:21,760 --> 02:29:22,427
intersection frequently

4803
02:29:22,427 --> 02:29:23,128
impacting emergency vehicle

4804
02:29:23,128 --> 02:29:26,128
access to the community during

4805
02:29:26,965 --> 02:29:27,631
peak traffic With additional

4806
02:29:27,631 --> 02:29:29,631
housing development underway

4807
02:29:31,670 --> 02:29:32,370
including thousands of approved

4808
02:29:32,370 --> 02:29:32,670
housing units at Cactus and

4809
02:29:32,670 --> 02:29:33,538
Epica.

4810
02:29:33,538 --> 02:29:36,375
This is not merely a traffic

4811
02:29:36,375 --> 02:29:36,808
inconvenience but a matter of

4812
02:29:36,808 --> 02:29:37,509
public safety.

4813
02:29:37,509 --> 02:29:39,909
Going forward we respectfully,

4814
02:29:41,246 --> 02:29:41,846
respectfully urge the City

4815
02:29:41,846 --> 02:29:42,414
Council and the city to

4816
02:29:42,414 --> 02:29:44,414
prioritize funding for

4817
02:29:46,751 --> 02:29:47,452
the build out of a broader core

4818
02:29:47,452 --> 02:29:48,152
roadway network in all times.

4819
02:29:48,152 --> 02:29:48,487
Thank you for that concluding

4820
02:29:48,487 --> 02:29:50,487
comment.

4821
02:29:55,930 --> 02:29:57,930
Chris Abrams.

4822
02:30:00,465 --> 02:30:01,199
Please proceed.

4823
02:30:01,199 --> 02:30:01,533
>> Hello my name is Chris

4824
02:30:01,533 --> 02:30:02,670
Abrams.

4825
02:30:02,670 --> 02:30:04,670
My address is 3268.

4826
02:30:05,670 --> 02:30:06,505
Governor Drive in San Diego.

4827
02:30:06,505 --> 02:30:10,105
My family owns the South wind

4828
02:30:10,208 --> 02:30:10,776
property which is adjacent to

4829
02:30:10,776 --> 02:30:11,677
the Southwest Village.

4830
02:30:11,677 --> 02:30:15,547
I just want to say that we have

4831
02:30:15,547 --> 02:30:16,348
found to our point great to

4832
02:30:16,348 --> 02:30:16,948
work with and I'm here in full

4833
02:30:16,948 --> 02:30:17,349
support of the project.

4834
02:30:17,349 --> 02:30:19,349
Thank you.

4835
02:30:22,320 --> 02:30:24,320
Jim Whalen.

4836
02:30:27,859 --> 02:30:28,219
This working?

4837
02:30:28,219 --> 02:30:28,593
Yes.

4838
02:30:28,593 --> 02:30:29,260
Good evening.

4839
02:30:29,260 --> 02:30:31,660
Council PRESIDENT LaCava and

4840
02:30:32,997 --> 02:30:33,398
members of the Planning

4841
02:30:33,398 --> 02:30:33,798
Commission.

4842
02:30:33,798 --> 02:30:35,798
No it's not.

4843
02:30:37,835 --> 02:30:38,636
City Council memories go.

4844
02:30:38,636 --> 02:30:41,360
Jim Whalen General Associates.

4845
02:30:42,941 --> 02:30:43,609
We're here for the Abrams

4846
02:30:43,609 --> 02:30:44,142
family but in support of

4847
02:30:44,142 --> 02:30:46,142
Southwest villages.

4848
02:30:46,945 --> 02:30:47,813
I have a long history in Otay

4849
02:30:47,813 --> 02:30:48,547
Mesa We have probably 4 or 5

4850
02:30:48,547 --> 02:30:50,947
different families we've worked

4851
02:30:52,851 --> 02:30:53,518
for and I know the area well.

4852
02:30:53,518 --> 02:30:53,819
Tri party knows what they're

4853
02:30:53,819 --> 02:30:55,819
doing.

4854
02:30:57,522 --> 02:30:58,223
I've worked with them for 35

4855
02:30:58,223 --> 02:31:01,823
years let's say, and they have

4856
02:31:02,528 --> 02:31:03,228
a long track record of success

4857
02:31:03,228 --> 02:31:03,929
with Master Plan communities.

4858
02:31:03,929 --> 02:31:04,363
This is probably the last one

4859
02:31:04,363 --> 02:31:06,363
in San Diego.

4860
02:31:07,967 --> 02:31:08,701
The overall plan is a good

4861
02:31:08,701 --> 02:31:09,335
balance between development and

4862
02:31:09,335 --> 02:31:12,335
very, very high value open

4863
02:31:13,605 --> 02:31:13,906
space especially the vernal

4864
02:31:13,906 --> 02:31:14,573
pools.

4865
02:31:14,573 --> 02:31:16,775
I worked on the Vernal Pool

4866
02:31:16,775 --> 02:31:17,442
habitat conservation plan in

4867
02:31:17,442 --> 02:31:18,143
the 2017 and the concurrence

4868
02:31:18,143 --> 02:31:21,143
from the wildlife agencies is

4869
02:31:22,615 --> 02:31:23,449
hard won.

4870
02:31:23,449 --> 02:31:24,149
That's a big deal If they pull

4871
02:31:24,149 --> 02:31:24,816
this together after all these

4872
02:31:24,816 --> 02:31:27,216
years, this multiyear effort

4873
02:31:27,786 --> 02:31:28,487
with many stakeholders is

4874
02:31:28,487 --> 02:31:29,221
always going to have somebody

4875
02:31:29,221 --> 02:31:32,221
who's not completely happy with

4876
02:31:32,825 --> 02:31:33,492
the situation.

4877
02:31:33,492 --> 02:31:34,126
But there is a funding

4878
02:31:34,126 --> 02:31:35,360
mechanism for the Times of

4879
02:31:35,360 --> 02:31:38,360
the year award winning remark.

4880
02:31:41,267 --> 02:31:41,766
>> Rob, thank you very much.

4881
02:31:41,766 --> 02:31:42,233
>> Effort.

4882
02:31:42,233 --> 02:31:42,901
Good afternoon.

4883
02:31:42,901 --> 02:31:45,301
Late afternoon City council

4884
02:31:46,972 --> 02:31:47,639
members.

4885
02:31:47,639 --> 02:31:48,374
Council PRESIDENT My name is

4886
02:31:48,374 --> 02:31:51,744
Rob Hicks and I've been serving

4887
02:31:51,744 --> 02:31:52,477
in no time this year.

4888
02:31:52,477 --> 02:31:52,978
Chair of the Planning Group for

4889
02:31:52,978 --> 02:31:54,978
the last 16 years.

4890
02:31:57,416 --> 02:31:58,284
Nobody wants my job back.

4891
02:31:58,284 --> 02:31:58,550
I've been trying to get rid of

4892
02:31:58,550 --> 02:32:00,550
it.

4893
02:32:02,455 --> 02:32:03,155
But anyway, city staff has done

4894
02:32:03,155 --> 02:32:03,755
an outstanding job and in this

4895
02:32:03,755 --> 02:32:06,155
whole project we've been

4896
02:32:07,226 --> 02:32:07,827
working on the Southwest

4897
02:32:07,827 --> 02:32:08,561
Village Plan and we did

4898
02:32:08,561 --> 02:32:11,561
the whole community plan update

4899
02:32:13,332 --> 02:32:14,320
and we've contained and Michael

4900
02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:14,700
is a big part of that So

4901
02:32:14,700 --> 02:32:14,967
they've done an outstanding

4902
02:32:14,967 --> 02:32:16,967
job.

4903
02:32:17,970 --> 02:32:18,671
This will help solve our

4904
02:32:18,671 --> 02:32:19,438
housing issues in San Diego.

4905
02:32:19,438 --> 02:32:20,500
We've asked a lot of try point

4906
02:32:20,500 --> 02:32:22,500
and they've delivered.

4907
02:32:23,775 --> 02:32:27,375
No one has ever been excluded.

4908
02:32:29,714 --> 02:32:30,383
>> Michael King.

4909
02:32:30,383 --> 02:32:31,830
Good afternoon COUNCILMAN

4910
02:32:31,830 --> 02:32:33,483
Lukather and Council members.

4911
02:32:35,955 --> 02:32:36,622
My name is Michael King and I

4912
02:32:36,622 --> 02:32:37,290
am a conservation organizer

4913
02:32:37,290 --> 02:32:40,890
with the Sierra Club of San

4914
02:32:41,192 --> 02:32:41,493
Diego and live in District

4915
02:32:41,493 --> 02:32:42,193
three.

4916
02:32:42,193 --> 02:32:45,193
While the Sierra Club supports

4917
02:32:45,965 --> 02:32:46,698
building more housing, it

4918
02:32:46,698 --> 02:32:50,298
really matters where we put it.

4919
02:32:52,271 --> 02:32:52,972
This project, according to

4920
02:32:52,972 --> 02:32:53,672
the city's own blueprint S.D.,

4921
02:32:53,672 --> 02:32:54,340
identifies the site as one of

4922
02:32:54,340 --> 02:32:56,740
the least appropriate places

4923
02:32:57,543 --> 02:32:58,344
for dense village development.

4924
02:32:58,344 --> 02:32:59,110
It is a high driving area with

4925
02:32:59,110 --> 02:33:02,110
no existing transit and no

4926
02:33:02,882 --> 02:33:03,649
planned transit improvements.

4927
02:33:03,649 --> 02:33:04,283
Yet the environmental review

4928
02:33:04,283 --> 02:33:04,917
still concludes that this

4929
02:33:04,917 --> 02:33:07,317
project is consistent with

4930
02:33:08,870 --> 02:33:08,588
the city's climate action plan.

4931
02:33:08,588 --> 02:33:09,255
Just as concerning

4932
02:33:09,255 --> 02:33:09,989
the environmental review did

4933
02:33:09,989 --> 02:33:12,389
not complete the transportation

4934
02:33:14,327 --> 02:33:15,610
modeling required by the city's

4935
02:33:15,610 --> 02:33:15,695
own transportation study manual

4936
02:33:15,695 --> 02:33:18,695
for a project expected to

4937
02:33:20,666 --> 02:33:21,100
generate more than 57,000 daily

4938
02:33:21,100 --> 02:33:21,801
vehicle trips.

4939
02:33:21,801 --> 02:33:24,201
Without that analysis neither

4940
02:33:25,605 --> 02:33:26,238
you nor the public has a

4941
02:33:26,238 --> 02:33:26,939
complete understanding of

4942
02:33:26,939 --> 02:33:29,939
the project's true climate and

4943
02:33:31,476 --> 02:33:32,211
transportation impacts.

4944
02:33:32,211 --> 02:33:32,912
San Diego deserves housing that

4945
02:33:32,912 --> 02:33:33,613
is consistent with our general

4946
02:33:33,613 --> 02:33:36,613
plan, our climate action plan

4947
02:33:37,249 --> 02:33:37,950
and our environmental laws.

4948
02:33:37,950 --> 02:33:38,284
Thank you for that concluding

4949
02:33:38,284 --> 02:33:40,284
comment.

4950
02:33:48,694 --> 02:33:49,495
Maximillian Schmitt How do we

4951
02:33:49,495 --> 02:33:53,695
know that we're not going to be

4952
02:33:54,971 --> 02:33:55,834
targeted in these homes?

4953
02:33:55,834 --> 02:33:59,434
Is San Diego City Council going

4954
02:34:01,207 --> 02:34:01,941
to give us some guarantee that

4955
02:34:01,941 --> 02:34:02,342
we're not going to get targeted

4956
02:34:02,342 --> 02:34:04,342
in our home?

4957
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:07,880
Because I've been targeted in

4958
02:34:07,880 --> 02:34:10,880
one home and over ten

4959
02:34:13,252 --> 02:34:13,719
apartments in liberal cities

4960
02:34:13,719 --> 02:34:14,387
across America.

4961
02:34:14,387 --> 02:34:14,721
And the living situation in

4962
02:34:14,721 --> 02:34:16,721
America.

4963
02:34:19,580 --> 02:34:19,626
For some people like myself is

4964
02:34:19,626 --> 02:34:21,626
completely untenable.

4965
02:34:25,980 --> 02:34:25,899
On there are literal people who

4966
02:34:25,899 --> 02:34:30,990
have done in a group ritual on

4967
02:34:30,336 --> 02:34:30,937
a checkered board floor inside

4968
02:34:30,937 --> 02:34:31,604
a masonic lodge who have

4969
02:34:31,604 --> 02:34:34,604
the ability to look through

4970
02:34:36,409 --> 02:34:37,800
your eyes and read your mind

4971
02:34:37,800 --> 02:34:37,777
who will literally mentally

4972
02:34:37,777 --> 02:34:40,777
torment you inside your home.

4973
02:34:42,882 --> 02:34:43,549
So there needs to be some

4974
02:34:43,549 --> 02:34:44,150
guarantee or something that

4975
02:34:44,150 --> 02:34:47,150
you're not going to get

4976
02:34:49,622 --> 02:34:50,323
targeted inside your home or

4977
02:34:50,323 --> 02:34:50,724
for you to ever support Time

4978
02:34:50,724 --> 02:34:52,724
has expired.

4979
02:34:56,829 --> 02:34:57,497
Antonio Blas After Antonio Blas

4980
02:34:57,497 --> 02:34:58,164
as Madeleine Garcia and then

4981
02:34:58,164 --> 02:35:00,564
allegedly Andre please come

4982
02:35:01,634 --> 02:35:02,569
forward to the microphone.

4983
02:35:02,569 --> 02:35:06,769
>> I'd like to know if you were

4984
02:35:07,673 --> 02:35:08,441
given a copy of that because I

4985
02:35:08,441 --> 02:35:08,909
know I'm not going to have time

4986
02:35:08,909 --> 02:35:09,643
for one minute.

4987
02:35:09,643 --> 02:35:13,843
>> Yes, you can go to the other

4988
02:35:19,180 --> 02:35:22,180
microphone over there to Okay.

4989
02:35:25,692 --> 02:35:26,359
Do you see council members

4990
02:35:26,359 --> 02:35:29,359
represented all of the other

4991
02:35:31,765 --> 02:35:32,840
property owners on this village

4992
02:35:32,840 --> 02:35:32,766
?

4993
02:35:32,766 --> 02:35:33,166
Excuse me On the agenda Tract

4994
02:35:33,166 --> 02:35:33,900
Subdivision.

4995
02:35:33,900 --> 02:35:36,636
Unless any changes are made for

4996
02:35:36,636 --> 02:35:37,337
the protection of us,

4997
02:35:37,337 --> 02:35:37,770
the owners we will not change

4998
02:35:37,770 --> 02:35:38,305
our position.

4999
02:35:38,305 --> 02:35:40,705
We're not opposed to

5000
02:35:42,375 --> 02:35:43,243
development.

5001
02:35:43,243 --> 02:35:43,943
But you need to point out that

5002
02:35:43,943 --> 02:35:46,343
the definition of undeveloped

5003
02:35:48,648 --> 02:35:49,316
subdivision parking lot and

5004
02:35:49,316 --> 02:35:49,683
undeveloped property is very

5005
02:35:49,683 --> 02:35:51,683
different.

5006
02:35:55,122 --> 02:35:55,822
The average price of an

5007
02:35:55,822 --> 02:35:57,822
available undeveloped accurate

5008
02:35:59,959 --> 02:36:02,359
is roughly $674 six and 65.

5009
02:36:02,863 --> 02:36:05,863
>> The Senate bill three three

5010
02:36:09,569 --> 02:36:10,236
housing crisis because this has

5011
02:36:10,236 --> 02:36:10,937
been aggressively masterplan

5012
02:36:10,937 --> 02:36:11,605
for health into the community

5013
02:36:11,605 --> 02:36:14,605
this year legally allowed to

5014
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:17,744
change zoning not the law

5015
02:36:17,744 --> 02:36:20,144
restricts the cities from

5016
02:36:21,113 --> 02:36:21,815
owning our properties and

5017
02:36:21,815 --> 02:36:22,316
that's what has been happening

5018
02:36:22,316 --> 02:36:22,983
in our properties.

5019
02:36:22,983 --> 02:36:23,583
I'm giving you just a little

5020
02:36:23,583 --> 02:36:25,983
bit of the highlights.

5021
02:36:27,870 --> 02:36:27,753
Thank you.

5022
02:36:27,753 --> 02:36:28,154
>> Thank you for your

5023
02:36:28,154 --> 02:36:30,154
information.

5024
02:36:30,257 --> 02:36:33,857
Your time has concluded on They

5025
02:36:37,864 --> 02:36:38,265
do have the letter the.

5026
02:36:38,265 --> 02:36:38,732
>> Yes.

5027
02:36:38,732 --> 02:36:40,732
Please proceed.

5028
02:36:42,435 --> 02:36:43,170
Hi, this is Manoel Garcia,

5029
02:36:43,170 --> 02:36:43,870
property owner Orlando Track in

5030
02:36:43,870 --> 02:36:46,270
California local agencies must

5031
02:36:48,709 --> 02:36:49,343
provide adjacent property

5032
02:36:49,343 --> 02:36:50,900
owners and residents with

5033
02:36:50,900 --> 02:36:50,711
formal public notice before

5034
02:36:50,711 --> 02:36:53,111
approving most new development

5035
02:36:54,548 --> 02:36:55,282
proposals and zoning changes.

5036
02:36:55,282 --> 02:36:55,949
These requirements are designed

5037
02:36:55,949 --> 02:36:58,949
to guarantee due process and

5038
02:37:00,820 --> 02:37:01,522
allow the public to review and

5039
02:37:01,522 --> 02:37:02,890
weigh in on projects that MAY

5040
02:37:02,890 --> 02:37:02,723
alter their community.

5041
02:37:02,723 --> 02:37:05,123
According to Oscar Galvez,

5042
02:37:07,260 --> 02:37:07,861
the threat from the city of San

5043
02:37:07,861 --> 02:37:10,861
Diego I quote Unless you

5044
02:37:13,330 --> 02:37:13,833
require to be notified before

5045
02:37:13,833 --> 02:37:14,434
me we normally we are not

5046
02:37:14,434 --> 02:37:14,768
required to send public

5047
02:37:14,768 --> 02:37:16,768
notices.

5048
02:37:19,807 --> 02:37:20,374
Was this tailored for this

5049
02:37:20,374 --> 02:37:20,808
project Only negative

5050
02:37:20,808 --> 02:37:21,308
consequences?

5051
02:37:21,308 --> 02:37:21,942
Southwest Village

5052
02:37:21,942 --> 02:37:24,342
Representative Jim Yea yea

5053
02:37:25,446 --> 02:37:26,113
along with city officials were

5054
02:37:26,113 --> 02:37:28,513
questioned by some division

5055
02:37:31,318 --> 02:37:32,190
property owners as why many of

5056
02:37:32,190 --> 02:37:32,419
our vacant lots were marked as

5057
02:37:32,419 --> 02:37:34,419
open space.

5058
02:37:35,889 --> 02:37:36,523
The city official and I

5059
02:37:36,523 --> 02:37:36,857
responded I don't have an

5060
02:37:36,857 --> 02:37:38,857
answer.

5061
02:37:42,163 --> 02:37:42,563
We'll get back to you.

5062
02:37:42,563 --> 02:37:42,930
>> Okay.

5063
02:37:42,930 --> 02:37:43,797
Thank you.

5064
02:37:43,797 --> 02:37:47,997
We do have the letter as well

5065
02:37:53,307 --> 02:37:53,873
allegedly addressed.

5066
02:37:53,873 --> 02:37:54,274
>> This is extremely

5067
02:37:54,274 --> 02:37:54,942
concerning.

5068
02:37:54,942 --> 02:37:55,376
I'm sure it's going to pass

5069
02:37:55,376 --> 02:37:57,376
unfortunately.

5070
02:37:59,613 --> 02:38:00,280
But why is there not equity

5071
02:38:00,280 --> 02:38:00,981
with all of the landowners?

5072
02:38:00,981 --> 02:38:03,981
There seems to be something

5073
02:38:05,519 --> 02:38:06,219
extremely nefarious going on

5074
02:38:06,219 --> 02:38:06,954
here And with there being no

5075
02:38:06,954 --> 02:38:09,954
transit flood roadways that are

5076
02:38:11,792 --> 02:38:12,459
deferred to a later date, you

5077
02:38:12,459 --> 02:38:13,127
talk about emergency vehicle

5078
02:38:13,127 --> 02:38:13,827
access but someone was just

5079
02:38:13,827 --> 02:38:16,227
talking about traffic impeding

5080
02:38:18,499 --> 02:38:19,199
an emergency evacuation zone

5081
02:38:19,199 --> 02:38:19,900
And I feel like you guys sit

5082
02:38:19,900 --> 02:38:20,634
here and you build density and

5083
02:38:20,634 --> 02:38:23,937
you want to do all these

5084
02:38:23,937 --> 02:38:24,472
walkable villages multimodal

5085
02:38:24,472 --> 02:38:25,206
mixed use stuff.

5086
02:38:25,206 --> 02:38:25,906
But it's like if people are not

5087
02:38:25,906 --> 02:38:29,610
going to be able to use their

5088
02:38:29,610 --> 02:38:30,310
cars, how do you expect people

5089
02:38:30,310 --> 02:38:30,911
to evacuate when you put

5090
02:38:30,911 --> 02:38:31,545
everybody density in an

5091
02:38:31,545 --> 02:38:32,279
extremely high fire zone?

5092
02:38:32,279 --> 02:38:35,879
I'm just wondering do you think

5093
02:38:36,183 --> 02:38:36,951
about that when when you want

5094
02:38:36,951 --> 02:38:37,818
to push us out of our vehicles?

5095
02:38:37,818 --> 02:38:41,418
What is that route to leave

5096
02:38:42,560 --> 02:38:42,956
public transit that everybody

5097
02:38:42,956 --> 02:38:43,690
has to go get on a bus that you

5098
02:38:43,690 --> 02:38:44,325
hope that they have a bike that

5099
02:38:44,325 --> 02:38:47,828
they can get out in time.

5100
02:38:47,828 --> 02:38:48,529
I'm just wondering why you guys

5101
02:38:48,529 --> 02:38:52,129
don't bring this kind of, you

5102
02:38:53,433 --> 02:38:54,135
know, protection in you care

5103
02:38:54,135 --> 02:38:54,801
more about doing business and

5104
02:38:54,801 --> 02:38:55,469
making sure people can build

5105
02:38:55,469 --> 02:38:58,469
but you're putting people in

5106
02:38:59,907 --> 02:39:00,308
danger.

5107
02:39:00,308 --> 02:39:01,420
Thank you.

5108
02:39:01,420 --> 02:39:01,542
I started the five minute time

5109
02:39:01,542 --> 02:39:02,143
recording of those

5110
02:39:02,143 --> 02:39:02,810
participating remotely.

5111
02:39:02,810 --> 02:39:05,913
I would like to note that we

5112
02:39:05,913 --> 02:39:06,613
did have one speaker in favor

5113
02:39:06,613 --> 02:39:07,281
that wanted to register their

5114
02:39:07,281 --> 02:39:08,150
position but did not wish to

5115
02:39:08,150 --> 02:39:11,150
speak here in council chambers.

5116
02:39:12,920 --> 02:39:13,654
Paul Benton.

5117
02:39:13,654 --> 02:39:14,322
We also received zero comments

5118
02:39:14,322 --> 02:39:14,989
in favor and for comments in

5119
02:39:14,989 --> 02:39:15,555
opposition of your economic

5120
02:39:15,555 --> 02:39:17,891
forum which have been

5121
02:39:17,891 --> 02:39:18,626
attributed to the Council

5122
02:39:18,626 --> 02:39:19,260
currently have four speakers in

5123
02:39:19,260 --> 02:39:19,594
the queue with their hands

5124
02:39:19,594 --> 02:39:20,294
raised.

5125
02:39:20,294 --> 02:39:23,294
Starting with Victoria if you

5126
02:39:23,464 --> 02:39:25,864
can please unmute Victoria.

5127
02:39:29,300 --> 02:39:29,670
>> Good afternoon.

5128
02:39:29,670 --> 02:39:30,371
My name is Victoria from

5129
02:39:30,371 --> 02:39:30,972
the jury I'm here on behalf of

5130
02:39:30,972 --> 02:39:31,706
Supporters Alliance for

5131
02:39:31,706 --> 02:39:33,706
Environmental Responsibility or

5132
02:39:35,743 --> 02:39:36,343
Safer.

5133
02:39:36,343 --> 02:39:37,110
Safer is concerned that

5134
02:39:37,110 --> 02:39:37,745
approval of the project and

5135
02:39:37,745 --> 02:39:40,145
certification of the subsequent

5136
02:39:41,382 --> 02:39:42,830
air will violate secure by one

5137
02:39:42,830 --> 02:39:42,716
failing to adequately disclose

5138
02:39:42,716 --> 02:39:43,418
and mitigate the project's

5139
02:39:43,418 --> 02:39:45,818
significant air quality health

5140
02:39:48,489 --> 02:39:49,190
risk biological resources noise

5141
02:39:49,190 --> 02:39:49,790
and bmt impacts and to failing

5142
02:39:49,790 --> 02:39:52,190
to require all feasible

5143
02:39:54,294 --> 02:39:54,995
mitigation measures for

5144
02:39:54,995 --> 02:39:55,529
the project's significant and

5145
02:39:55,529 --> 02:39:56,264
unavoidable impacts.

5146
02:39:56,264 --> 02:39:58,664
Specifically, say fairness, air

5147
02:39:59,100 --> 02:39:59,800
quality, biological resources

5148
02:39:59,800 --> 02:40:00,368
and noise experts found that

5149
02:40:00,368 --> 02:40:01,340
the project would have

5150
02:40:01,340 --> 02:40:03,434
significant air quality and

5151
02:40:05,406 --> 02:40:06,740
health risk impacts from diesel

5152
02:40:06,740 --> 02:40:06,774
particulate matter emissions

5153
02:40:06,774 --> 02:40:07,442
significant impacts to special

5154
02:40:07,442 --> 02:40:09,442
status species, significant

5155
02:40:12,313 --> 02:40:13,140
construction and operational

5156
02:40:13,140 --> 02:40:13,714
noise impacts and significant

5157
02:40:13,714 --> 02:40:17,314
impacts that the air failed to

5158
02:40:18,953 --> 02:40:19,620
adequately analyze and mitigate

5159
02:40:19,620 --> 02:40:20,354
State variance Experts also

5160
02:40:20,354 --> 02:40:23,954
found that your plan to include

5161
02:40:25,793 --> 02:40:26,360
several mitigation measures to

5162
02:40:26,360 --> 02:40:27,270
reduce these impacts.

5163
02:40:27,270 --> 02:40:27,628
Therefore requested the City

5164
02:40:27,628 --> 02:40:30,280
Council deny approval of

5165
02:40:30,498 --> 02:40:30,965
the project and the air.

5166
02:40:30,965 --> 02:40:31,366
>> Thank you.

5167
02:40:31,366 --> 02:40:31,899
Thank you.

5168
02:40:31,899 --> 02:40:34,299
Next is Blair in?

5169
02:40:38,106 --> 02:40:38,506
If you can please unmute before

5170
02:40:38,506 --> 02:40:40,506
I go.

5171
02:40:43,678 --> 02:40:44,546
Thank you for frequent thanks

5172
02:40:44,546 --> 02:40:48,146
for this item our nicely for

5173
02:40:48,817 --> 02:40:49,516
our nice we heard that from

5174
02:40:49,516 --> 02:40:52,516
the purpose of public comment

5175
02:40:53,855 --> 02:40:54,555
presentation You know it's

5176
02:40:54,555 --> 02:40:55,289
doesn't necessarily have to be

5177
02:40:55,289 --> 02:40:55,956
built so large if you can think

5178
02:40:55,956 --> 02:40:58,356
of reduction size that's

5179
02:41:00,161 --> 02:41:00,895
important building individual

5180
02:41:00,895 --> 02:41:04,495
homes you're building kind of a

5181
02:41:06,768 --> 02:41:07,402
town hall double home model I

5182
02:41:07,402 --> 02:41:08,136
guess or some flexibility.

5183
02:41:08,136 --> 02:41:08,870
It's a really nice land area to

5184
02:41:08,870 --> 02:41:11,870
just build individual homes or

5185
02:41:12,273 --> 02:41:12,941
to work with the landscape more

5186
02:41:12,941 --> 02:41:13,608
instead of just popping down

5187
02:41:13,608 --> 02:41:16,608
tons of concrete and houses.

5188
02:41:18,513 --> 02:41:19,247
And another suggestion and of

5189
02:41:19,247 --> 02:41:22,847
course coming up with new ideas

5190
02:41:24,180 --> 02:41:24,586
of mixed income can be really

5191
02:41:24,586 --> 02:41:25,253
helpful for this area.

5192
02:41:25,253 --> 02:41:25,987
We got to start somewhere to

5193
02:41:25,987 --> 02:41:28,987
really be more experimental and

5194
02:41:30,425 --> 02:41:31,292
creative with mixed income.

5195
02:41:31,292 --> 02:41:31,960
Is this a place to do it?

5196
02:41:31,960 --> 02:41:32,427
We can do some really nice

5197
02:41:32,427 --> 02:41:34,427
things with it.

5198
02:41:35,596 --> 02:41:36,331
It's obvious a lot of

5199
02:41:36,331 --> 02:41:36,997
flexibility and choices towards

5200
02:41:36,997 --> 02:41:39,997
a democratic future and not

5201
02:41:42,837 --> 02:41:43,305
just a selfish me as in future.

5202
02:41:43,305 --> 02:41:43,705
>> Thank you.

5203
02:41:43,705 --> 02:41:44,706
Thank you.

5204
02:41:44,706 --> 02:41:48,376
First of all if you can please

5205
02:41:48,376 --> 02:41:48,876
unmute.

5206
02:41:48,876 --> 02:41:49,444
>> Thank you.

5207
02:41:49,444 --> 02:41:50,144
Good afternoon Council

5208
02:41:50,144 --> 02:41:52,544
PRESIDENT, council members and

5209
02:41:54,783 --> 02:41:55,550
staff Serious value in many

5210
02:41:55,550 --> 02:41:59,688
hands but I am speaking as a

5211
02:41:59,688 --> 02:42:00,455
South County resident of over

5212
02:42:00,455 --> 02:42:01,560
45 years and a former member of

5213
02:42:01,560 --> 02:42:01,790
your time is a community

5214
02:42:01,790 --> 02:42:04,790
planning group in that capacity

5215
02:42:05,593 --> 02:42:06,160
serving on the planning group I

5216
02:42:06,160 --> 02:42:06,828
had the opportunity to

5217
02:42:06,828 --> 02:42:07,462
participate in the Southwest

5218
02:42:07,462 --> 02:42:09,462
Village subcommittee that

5219
02:42:11,660 --> 02:42:11,733
included a thorough engagement

5220
02:42:11,733 --> 02:42:12,233
process and each element of

5221
02:42:12,233 --> 02:42:12,901
the specific plan.

5222
02:42:12,901 --> 02:42:16,437
I'm here today in support of

5223
02:42:16,437 --> 02:42:17,105
the tri point homes and this

5224
02:42:17,105 --> 02:42:17,806
project like all meaningful

5225
02:42:17,806 --> 02:42:20,806
large scale projects this one

5226
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:23,677
has taken some time to do it

5227
02:42:23,677 --> 02:42:24,146
right and they've done their

5228
02:42:24,146 --> 02:42:26,146
user time well.

5229
02:42:28,249 --> 02:42:28,916
They have worked to incorporate

5230
02:42:28,916 --> 02:42:29,584
community input and we were

5231
02:42:29,584 --> 02:42:31,984
particularly excited to see

5232
02:42:36,910 --> 02:42:36,757
the extension of this a viable

5233
02:42:36,757 --> 02:42:39,528
barge that will help connect

5234
02:42:39,528 --> 02:42:40,194
Mason City, Cedar and so on.

5235
02:42:40,194 --> 02:42:40,829
With that I want to

5236
02:42:40,829 --> 02:42:41,496
respectfully request your

5237
02:42:41,496 --> 02:42:41,863
approval of this item before

5238
02:42:41,863 --> 02:42:42,230
you today.

5239
02:42:42,230 --> 02:42:44,230
Thank you.

5240
02:42:46,670 --> 02:42:46,902
Thank you.

5241
02:42:46,902 --> 02:42:47,435
And our final speaker with her

5242
02:42:47,435 --> 02:42:49,435
hand raised is 8700.

5243
02:42:57,780 --> 02:42:57,779
If you can please unmute just

5244
02:42:57,779 --> 02:43:00,179
please follow Marcello Escobar

5245
02:43:03,510 --> 02:43:03,585
and Partners to Equity And I

5246
02:43:03,585 --> 02:43:05,585
believe rather than

5247
02:43:08,757 --> 02:43:09,458
the continuance they said a

5248
02:43:09,458 --> 02:43:13,580
return to staff I totally and

5249
02:43:16,231 --> 02:43:17,198
for that and I am for wishing

5250
02:43:17,198 --> 02:43:21,998
for me follow me on So the item

5251
02:43:22,104 --> 02:43:26,304
g no to that ordinance of a

5252
02:43:28,430 --> 02:43:28,944
street overview and across all

5253
02:43:28,944 --> 02:43:33,144
type to be open space and if

5254
02:43:33,282 --> 02:43:33,982
I'm right on the other item I

5255
02:43:33,982 --> 02:43:34,616
don't remember the figures but

5256
02:43:34,616 --> 02:43:37,160
the affordable housing is

5257
02:43:39,488 --> 02:43:40,188
extremely low and that's not

5258
02:43:40,188 --> 02:43:43,188
fair especially for that area.

5259
02:43:46,829 --> 02:43:47,429
So it's a big project Great

5260
02:43:47,429 --> 02:43:48,300
talking until and follow

5261
02:43:48,300 --> 02:43:50,430
Marcella Escobar and her

5262
02:43:51,660 --> 02:43:51,700
partner Thank you to all Thank

5263
02:43:51,700 --> 02:43:52,367
you And that does conclude

5264
02:43:52,367 --> 02:43:55,367
public comment on this item.

5265
02:43:57,306 --> 02:43:57,706
>> All right.

5266
02:43:57,706 --> 02:43:59,706
Excuse me.

5267
02:44:01,643 --> 02:44:02,378
Thank you City clerk And

5268
02:44:02,378 --> 02:44:03,112
congratulations on the first

5269
02:44:03,112 --> 02:44:03,545
implementation of sb 707 Off to

5270
02:44:03,545 --> 02:44:05,545
a good start.

5271
02:44:07,816 --> 02:44:08,384
We would normally go to

5272
02:44:08,384 --> 02:44:09,840
the council member who

5273
02:44:09,840 --> 02:44:09,717
represents the district but as

5274
02:44:09,717 --> 02:44:12,717
you heard she has recused

5275
02:44:13,856 --> 02:44:14,556
herself so we'll start out with

5276
02:44:14,556 --> 02:44:15,190
the chair of our Land Use and

5277
02:44:15,190 --> 02:44:17,190
Housing Committee Council

5278
02:44:20,995 --> 02:44:21,697
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee thank

5279
02:44:21,697 --> 02:44:22,431
yous PRESIDENT And I know our

5280
02:44:22,431 --> 02:44:24,431
colleague Representative sticks

5281
02:44:26,268 --> 02:44:26,936
out but look forward to having

5282
02:44:26,936 --> 02:44:27,603
this conversation about this

5283
02:44:27,603 --> 02:44:31,803
item We spent a lot of time

5284
02:44:32,407 --> 02:44:33,750
talking about the need for more

5285
02:44:33,750 --> 02:44:33,742
housing especially not just

5286
02:44:33,742 --> 02:44:34,143
affordable housing but also

5287
02:44:34,143 --> 02:44:36,143
market rate.

5288
02:44:37,880 --> 02:44:38,547
We've also seen the impact of

5289
02:44:38,547 --> 02:44:39,348
that in the last year or two

5290
02:44:39,348 --> 02:44:42,348
especially with rents have gone

5291
02:44:43,685 --> 02:44:44,353
down with additional housing

5292
02:44:44,353 --> 02:44:44,920
units that have been brought

5293
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:45,554
forward And so that is

5294
02:44:45,554 --> 02:44:48,554
something that I think we

5295
02:44:49,658 --> 02:44:50,259
continue to face a challenge of

5296
02:44:50,259 --> 02:44:50,926
across the entire city.

5297
02:44:50,926 --> 02:44:53,926
This has been an interesting

5298
02:44:55,465 --> 02:44:56,132
discussion hearing from both

5299
02:44:56,132 --> 02:44:58,532
the project applicants Well

5300
02:45:01,537 --> 02:45:02,237
from all the work that's been

5301
02:45:02,237 --> 02:45:02,971
done from a city standpoint on

5302
02:45:02,971 --> 02:45:06,571
the specific plan but also from

5303
02:45:06,776 --> 02:45:07,443
those who MAY have different

5304
02:45:07,443 --> 02:45:07,876
perspectives and how we can

5305
02:45:07,876 --> 02:45:09,876
move forward.

5306
02:45:11,447 --> 02:45:12,114
And I think one thing I really

5307
02:45:12,114 --> 02:45:12,715
taking into account here is

5308
02:45:12,715 --> 02:45:13,382
that this is all part of

5309
02:45:13,382 --> 02:45:16,382
the Otay Mesa community plan

5310
02:45:16,552 --> 02:45:17,219
that was previously updated and

5311
02:45:17,219 --> 02:45:17,954
approved in 2014 as I

5312
02:45:17,954 --> 02:45:20,354
understand it that specifically

5313
02:45:23,392 --> 02:45:24,590
designates this area for urban

5314
02:45:24,590 --> 02:45:26,459
village development and that

5315
02:45:28,497 --> 02:45:29,197
community plan when passed also

5316
02:45:29,197 --> 02:45:29,765
included a requirement for a

5317
02:45:29,765 --> 02:45:32,165
site specific plan for

5318
02:45:35,437 --> 02:45:36,370
Southwest Village and that's

5319
02:45:36,370 --> 02:45:36,539
what's before us today.

5320
02:45:36,539 --> 02:45:37,239
Correct, which is

5321
02:45:37,239 --> 02:45:40,239
the implementation of what was

5322
02:45:42,450 --> 02:45:42,745
originally outlined in

5323
02:45:42,745 --> 02:45:43,278
the urban automated cami plan

5324
02:45:43,278 --> 02:45:45,278
the update in 2014?

5325
02:45:47,490 --> 02:45:47,950
Yes, that's correct.

5326
02:45:47,950 --> 02:45:50,950
I also noted commune engagement

5327
02:45:53,489 --> 02:45:54,190
and the majority support

5328
02:45:54,190 --> 02:45:54,791
the nearly unanimous support I

5329
02:45:54,791 --> 02:45:55,491
believe that came out of

5330
02:45:55,491 --> 02:45:58,491
the attendees of the planning

5331
02:45:59,362 --> 02:45:59,962
group and then the support that

5332
02:45:59,962 --> 02:46:00,629
came out of the Planning

5333
02:46:00,629 --> 02:46:01,264
Commission based on some of

5334
02:46:01,264 --> 02:46:03,664
the correspondence that we

5335
02:46:06,169 --> 02:46:06,903
received I did note that it

5336
02:46:06,903 --> 02:46:10,503
appears to some of the concerns

5337
02:46:11,207 --> 02:46:11,840
that we're hearing are directed

5338
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:12,541
toward the broader policy

5339
02:46:12,541 --> 02:46:13,142
decision of planning Southwest

5340
02:46:13,142 --> 02:46:15,542
Village as a residential

5341
02:46:16,979 --> 02:46:17,446
village with no time a

5342
02:46:17,446 --> 02:46:18,147
community plan.

5343
02:46:18,147 --> 02:46:18,781
That decision itself was made

5344
02:46:18,781 --> 02:46:21,781
back in 2014 when the plan

5345
02:46:23,252 --> 02:46:24,220
again was updated.

5346
02:46:24,220 --> 02:46:27,820
I think from what we're hearing

5347
02:46:29,325 --> 02:46:31,725
there's different camps today

5348
02:46:33,263 --> 02:46:33,963
coming out on this item and

5349
02:46:33,963 --> 02:46:34,697
there's one that specifically

5350
02:46:34,697 --> 02:46:37,697
would suggest that the specific

5351
02:46:39,201 --> 02:46:39,902
plan itself doesn't match up

5352
02:46:39,902 --> 02:46:40,570
with where the general plan is

5353
02:46:40,570 --> 02:46:43,570
today and blueprint and then

5354
02:46:45,475 --> 02:46:46,142
others who simply believe that

5355
02:46:46,142 --> 02:46:46,709
there should be a different

5356
02:46:46,709 --> 02:46:47,342
implementation of it.

5357
02:46:47,342 --> 02:46:48,440
Is that how you're seeing

5358
02:46:48,440 --> 02:46:51,644
the feedback that the city is

5359
02:46:51,714 --> 02:46:52,381
proceeding?

5360
02:46:52,381 --> 02:46:54,781
But Council Councilmember I

5361
02:46:57,487 --> 02:46:58,187
think we've heard a number of

5362
02:46:58,187 --> 02:46:58,921
comments today related I think

5363
02:46:58,921 --> 02:46:59,622
that was one of the ones raised

5364
02:46:59,622 --> 02:47:02,622
In fairness to the Opposition

5365
02:47:04,270 --> 02:47:04,660
there is questions related to

5366
02:47:04,660 --> 02:47:04,994
some of the implementation

5367
02:47:04,994 --> 02:47:05,628
aspects.

5368
02:47:05,628 --> 02:47:06,329
Staff is here to recommend

5369
02:47:06,329 --> 02:47:09,329
approval of the specific plan

5370
02:47:10,166 --> 02:47:10,900
the associated actions and has

5371
02:47:10,900 --> 02:47:12,900
identified findings appropriate

5372
02:47:15,705 --> 02:47:16,405
to support implementation

5373
02:47:16,405 --> 02:47:17,400
consistent with the goals and

5374
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:17,707
policies of the Otay Mesa

5375
02:47:17,707 --> 02:47:20,107
Community Plan, the general

5376
02:47:22,110 --> 02:47:22,678
plan and all of

5377
02:47:22,678 --> 02:47:23,146
the requirements of the Land

5378
02:47:23,146 --> 02:47:23,479
Department Code.

5379
02:47:23,479 --> 02:47:25,479
>> Okay.

5380
02:47:28,517 --> 02:47:29,285
Thank you For me when when I

5381
02:47:29,285 --> 02:47:30,190
see an item that has over 70

5382
02:47:30,190 --> 02:47:33,619
landowners that are in the area

5383
02:47:33,756 --> 02:47:34,457
the be also called for schools

5384
02:47:34,457 --> 02:47:35,158
parks, other infrastructure

5385
02:47:35,158 --> 02:47:35,859
that are going to be built out

5386
02:47:35,859 --> 02:47:39,459
within this space I can see

5387
02:47:39,796 --> 02:47:40,430
clearly why the city would and

5388
02:47:40,430 --> 02:47:41,130
the community practically

5389
02:47:41,130 --> 02:47:44,730
sought a site specific plan so

5390
02:47:45,268 --> 02:47:46,136
that there would be something

5391
02:47:46,136 --> 02:47:46,769
that it would help to guide how

5392
02:47:46,769 --> 02:47:47,503
this community would come

5393
02:47:47,503 --> 02:47:51,103
together so that it wasn't done

5394
02:47:51,840 --> 02:47:52,509
just by parcel.

5395
02:47:52,509 --> 02:47:53,176
I appreciate the fact that

5396
02:47:53,176 --> 02:47:53,843
the plan does call for 5000

5397
02:47:53,843 --> 02:47:56,243
plus homes commercial space

5398
02:47:57,681 --> 02:47:58,348
again the additional

5399
02:47:58,348 --> 02:47:59,150
infrastructure that's needed

5400
02:47:59,150 --> 02:47:59,716
And I think what I'm hearing

5401
02:47:59,716 --> 02:48:03,316
also is that the real question

5402
02:48:03,453 --> 02:48:04,120
that often comes before us at

5403
02:48:04,120 --> 02:48:04,854
this council and in land use

5404
02:48:04,854 --> 02:48:05,589
discussions is how do we ensure

5405
02:48:05,589 --> 02:48:08,589
and see the infrastructure that

5406
02:48:09,559 --> 02:48:09,926
is also asked for come to

5407
02:48:09,926 --> 02:48:10,660
fruition.

5408
02:48:10,660 --> 02:48:14,797
So let me ask you a couple

5409
02:48:14,797 --> 02:48:15,499
questions I guess on on that

5410
02:48:15,499 --> 02:48:16,166
front a lot of the focus of

5411
02:48:16,166 --> 02:48:19,166
the discussion seems to have

5412
02:48:20,537 --> 02:48:21,271
been specifically on fire

5413
02:48:21,271 --> 02:48:24,271
Boulevard And could you explain

5414
02:48:24,640 --> 02:48:25,341
to us the necessity of light by

5415
02:48:25,341 --> 02:48:28,341
Boulevard needs to come first

5416
02:48:33,417 --> 02:48:34,840
in phase one I that's Mary Rose

5417
02:48:34,840 --> 02:48:34,451
transport transportation to

5418
02:48:34,451 --> 02:48:36,451
speak the.

5419
02:48:38,870 --> 02:48:38,789
Hi good afternoon your friends

5420
02:48:38,789 --> 02:48:41,189
here with with transportation

5421
02:48:42,859 --> 02:48:43,559
development in regards to

5422
02:48:43,559 --> 02:48:44,227
the requirement for fire

5423
02:48:44,227 --> 02:48:46,627
Boulevard west to be

5424
02:48:48,765 --> 02:48:49,466
constructed prior to the 700

5425
02:48:49,466 --> 02:48:53,660
dwelling unit was based on a

5426
02:48:53,603 --> 02:48:54,204
regional travel demand model

5427
02:48:54,204 --> 02:48:54,905
and project description

5428
02:48:54,905 --> 02:48:55,405
distribution for the proposed

5429
02:48:55,405 --> 02:48:57,405
space development.

5430
02:49:00,143 --> 02:49:00,744
So based on that analysis

5431
02:49:00,744 --> 02:49:03,144
the analyzes of two 699

5432
02:49:05,549 --> 02:49:06,183
dwelling units among community

5433
02:49:06,183 --> 02:49:08,583
and then the remaining 221

5434
02:49:10,200 --> 02:49:10,720
along Fire Boulevard with

5435
02:49:10,720 --> 02:49:11,421
specific to that can you

5436
02:49:11,421 --> 02:49:14,421
explain how the 700 sort of

5437
02:49:16,359 --> 02:49:16,994
unit threshold was determined?

5438
02:49:16,994 --> 02:49:17,427
It's not just an arbitrary

5439
02:49:17,427 --> 02:49:18,228
number, right?

5440
02:49:18,228 --> 02:49:22,428
It is It is because of that

5441
02:49:22,665 --> 02:49:23,199
infrastructure analysis,

5442
02:49:23,199 --> 02:49:23,800
the static analysis.

5443
02:49:23,800 --> 02:49:24,467
>> Yes, that's correct.

5444
02:49:24,467 --> 02:49:27,467
That's based on the regional

5445
02:49:27,938 --> 02:49:28,805
model.

5446
02:49:28,805 --> 02:49:29,406
>> Why is this plan any more

5447
02:49:29,406 --> 02:49:31,806
viable than for example,

5448
02:49:33,810 --> 02:49:34,511
the alternate alternative plan

5449
02:49:34,511 --> 02:49:35,145
that's been presented by some

5450
02:49:35,145 --> 02:49:37,545
landowners that talk about

5451
02:49:39,316 --> 02:49:39,683
phase one with calendar instead

5452
02:49:39,683 --> 02:49:40,384
of buyer?

5453
02:49:40,384 --> 02:49:41,510
And can I ask you to speak a

5454
02:49:41,510 --> 02:49:44,554
little closer to the mix and

5455
02:49:44,554 --> 02:49:45,155
make sure that everyone can

5456
02:49:45,155 --> 02:49:45,556
hear in the recording?

5457
02:49:45,556 --> 02:49:46,289
Thank you.

5458
02:49:46,289 --> 02:49:49,289
So this is specific to

5459
02:49:50,928 --> 02:49:51,462
the proposed development in

5460
02:49:51,462 --> 02:49:52,161
their proposed phase

5461
02:49:52,161 --> 02:49:55,161
development and we found that

5462
02:49:56,467 --> 02:49:59,467
it did analyze the 699 dwelling

5463
02:50:01,938 --> 02:50:02,606
units along Coyote Avenue and

5464
02:50:02,606 --> 02:50:05,606
then the remainder on viable

5465
02:50:07,444 --> 02:50:08,145
part was let me try and sort of

5466
02:50:08,145 --> 02:50:11,145
step back for a second.

5467
02:50:13,316 --> 02:50:13,984
So one of the reasons why

5468
02:50:13,984 --> 02:50:16,384
the specific plan identifies

5469
02:50:16,553 --> 02:50:17,221
both Buyer Boulevard and Client

5470
02:50:17,221 --> 02:50:17,888
as two major circulation

5471
02:50:17,888 --> 02:50:20,888
element roadways is one it's

5472
02:50:22,826 --> 02:50:23,495
implementation of the overall

5473
02:50:23,495 --> 02:50:24,160
circulation element that was

5474
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:26,560
identified in the 2014 Otay

5475
02:50:28,265 --> 02:50:28,966
Mesa Community Plan providing

5476
02:50:28,966 --> 02:50:32,566
sort of regional access to a

5477
02:50:32,836 --> 02:50:33,236
village that will provide up to

5478
02:50:33,236 --> 02:50:33,971
5130 homes.

5479
02:50:33,971 --> 02:50:36,371
Additionally there's other just

5480
02:50:37,675 --> 02:50:38,375
mobility access requirements

5481
02:50:38,375 --> 02:50:40,775
fire access requirements for

5482
02:50:43,113 --> 02:50:43,414
build out of those 5000 plus

5483
02:50:43,414 --> 02:50:44,115
homes.

5484
02:50:44,115 --> 02:50:44,681
So what the applicant proposed

5485
02:50:44,681 --> 02:50:47,681
the tri point homes as

5486
02:50:48,117 --> 02:50:48,819
the largest landowner and

5487
02:50:48,819 --> 02:50:49,453
the applicant for the specific

5488
02:50:49,453 --> 02:50:52,453
plan which was required in

5489
02:50:53,356 --> 02:50:54,157
accordance with the community

5490
02:50:54,157 --> 02:50:54,925
plan as you stated was to

5491
02:50:54,925 --> 02:50:57,925
provide a mobility network that

5492
02:50:59,230 --> 02:50:59,730
identified build out conditions

5493
02:50:59,730 --> 02:51:00,431
as well as phased

5494
02:51:00,431 --> 02:51:02,431
implementation consistent with

5495
02:51:05,469 --> 02:51:06,170
their actual vesting tentative

5496
02:51:06,170 --> 02:51:06,704
map or their project that they

5497
02:51:06,704 --> 02:51:08,704
also were proposing

5498
02:51:10,740 --> 02:51:10,708
concurrently and that analysis

5499
02:51:10,708 --> 02:51:11,441
was accepted by staff and

5500
02:51:11,441 --> 02:51:14,441
determined to be appropriate as

5501
02:51:14,945 --> 02:51:15,346
to when Buyer Boulevard should

5502
02:51:15,346 --> 02:51:16,790
come online.

5503
02:51:16,790 --> 02:51:16,747
The alternative analysis that

5504
02:51:16,747 --> 02:51:19,747
was provided to the council

5505
02:51:21,180 --> 02:51:21,718
earlier prior to the hearing

5506
02:51:21,718 --> 02:51:22,153
was not submitted for staff's

5507
02:51:22,153 --> 02:51:24,153
formal review.

5508
02:51:25,823 --> 02:51:26,490
It could be considered as part

5509
02:51:26,490 --> 02:51:27,580
of a nother discretionary

5510
02:51:27,580 --> 02:51:29,580
permit application for

5511
02:51:31,929 --> 02:51:32,562
implementation should other

5512
02:51:32,562 --> 02:51:33,130
property owners choose to

5513
02:51:33,130 --> 02:51:35,130
submit an application.

5514
02:51:37,101 --> 02:51:37,801
So for example East of Buyer

5515
02:51:37,801 --> 02:51:40,171
Boulevard and wish to proceed

5516
02:51:40,171 --> 02:51:40,837
in advance of or concurrent

5517
02:51:40,837 --> 02:51:43,837
with the first tentative map

5518
02:51:45,842 --> 02:51:46,510
that the applicant has proposed

5519
02:51:46,510 --> 02:51:47,211
That was actually something

5520
02:51:47,211 --> 02:51:51,382
that sort of stuck out when I

5521
02:51:51,382 --> 02:51:52,490
was hearing from some of

5522
02:51:52,490 --> 02:51:52,716
the opposition as well about

5523
02:51:52,716 --> 02:51:54,886
the potential of county for

5524
02:51:54,886 --> 02:51:57,286
example being considered in

5525
02:52:00,580 --> 02:52:00,725
phase one is what if there's a

5526
02:52:00,725 --> 02:52:03,125
contention about the funding

5527
02:52:04,528 --> 02:52:05,396
mechanisms to construct buyer?

5528
02:52:05,396 --> 02:52:08,396
Would that be any different

5529
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:10,668
with county we would defer to

5530
02:52:10,668 --> 02:52:13,668
city planning staff to just

5531
02:52:15,706 --> 02:52:16,574
sort of Samarra around who is

5532
02:52:16,574 --> 02:52:20,774
in here to can speak to those

5533
02:52:29,653 --> 02:52:30,221
financing deliberations.

5534
02:52:30,221 --> 02:52:32,221
Good evening everyone.

5535
02:52:36,260 --> 02:52:36,928
I mean when I was seven deputy

5536
02:52:36,928 --> 02:52:39,664
director at city planning in

5537
02:52:39,664 --> 02:52:40,465
terms of by what award we have

5538
02:52:40,465 --> 02:52:43,901
presented to the board and have

5539
02:52:43,901 --> 02:52:44,635
around $2 million allocated to

5540
02:52:44,635 --> 02:52:47,635
a boulevard, we're also working

5541
02:52:48,238 --> 02:52:48,939
with the f d board to allocate

5542
02:52:48,939 --> 02:52:49,574
additional funds through bonds

5543
02:52:49,574 --> 02:52:50,308
which is yet to happen But

5544
02:52:50,308 --> 02:52:53,308
that's something that is being

5545
02:52:53,978 --> 02:52:54,678
worked on Also there is

5546
02:52:54,678 --> 02:52:57,780
opportunities for credits if

5547
02:52:59,319 --> 02:53:00,170
the applicant is going to be

5548
02:53:00,170 --> 02:53:03,170
the project they are required

5549
02:53:04,989 --> 02:53:05,789
to pay development impact fees

5550
02:53:05,789 --> 02:53:07,250
and specifically or time is a

5551
02:53:07,250 --> 02:53:07,725
local majority of around $12

5552
02:53:07,725 --> 02:53:08,460
million for the first phase of

5553
02:53:08,460 --> 02:53:12,600
the development and that can be

5554
02:53:12,396 --> 02:53:13,640
issued in the form of credits

5555
02:53:13,640 --> 02:53:13,765
towards being able to work.

5556
02:53:13,765 --> 02:53:17,365
So that's what we are working

5557
02:53:17,869 --> 02:53:18,536
on in terms of financing

5558
02:53:18,536 --> 02:53:19,237
mechanisms from Bible River.

5559
02:53:19,237 --> 02:53:22,440
But I want to understand and

5560
02:53:22,440 --> 02:53:23,140
this is the question or if you

5561
02:53:23,140 --> 02:53:23,775
have a different question Well

5562
02:53:23,775 --> 02:53:24,375
actually thank you for for

5563
02:53:24,375 --> 02:53:26,775
walking through all that

5564
02:53:27,511 --> 02:53:28,479
because I remember is serving

5565
02:53:28,479 --> 02:53:33,279
on the f d as well voting on

5566
02:53:33,852 --> 02:53:34,385
allocating funding and to buy a

5567
02:53:34,385 --> 02:53:35,219
boulevard extension.

5568
02:53:35,219 --> 02:53:37,254
And so I think what we've heard

5569
02:53:37,254 --> 02:53:37,988
is a an alternative proposal

5570
02:53:37,988 --> 02:53:42,159
for example, as to why we don't

5571
02:53:42,159 --> 02:53:42,794
consider building on Kelly and

5572
02:53:42,794 --> 02:53:43,228
t to unlock other housing

5573
02:53:43,228 --> 02:53:45,228
opportunities.

5574
02:53:46,297 --> 02:53:46,931
And I'm wondering if there's

5575
02:53:46,931 --> 02:53:49,331
been any discussion about

5576
02:53:50,935 --> 02:53:51,902
financing for that separate

5577
02:53:51,902 --> 02:53:55,502
fire In terms of calendar we

5578
02:53:56,173 --> 02:53:56,841
are in discussions for

5579
02:53:56,841 --> 02:53:57,475
reimbursement agreements for

5580
02:53:57,475 --> 02:54:00,111
that as well but different

5581
02:54:00,111 --> 02:54:00,979
portions of it.

5582
02:54:00,979 --> 02:54:01,646
I will need to look into

5583
02:54:01,646 --> 02:54:02,313
the specific details exactly

5584
02:54:02,313 --> 02:54:05,913
which location to be able to

5585
02:54:05,951 --> 02:54:08,351
better answer that question.

5586
02:54:10,822 --> 02:54:11,489
Did you want to come up in

5587
02:54:11,489 --> 02:54:12,122
Sorry and French Gonzalez

5588
02:54:12,122 --> 02:54:14,122
Senior traffic engineer

5589
02:54:16,194 --> 02:54:16,861
developments Services

5590
02:54:16,861 --> 02:54:19,861
Department I think like MR.

5591
02:54:20,165 --> 02:54:20,765
Prince mentioned what's

5592
02:54:20,765 --> 02:54:21,466
presented today as

5593
02:54:21,466 --> 02:54:24,466
the alternative plan was never

5594
02:54:26,300 --> 02:54:26,738
submitted to staff and as he

5595
02:54:26,738 --> 02:54:27,304
said it could be submitted with

5596
02:54:27,304 --> 02:54:29,304
a future development

5597
02:54:30,809 --> 02:54:31,643
application.

5598
02:54:31,643 --> 02:54:32,344
But I think the essence of your

5599
02:54:32,344 --> 02:54:35,344
question is a little bit

5600
02:54:36,214 --> 02:54:36,848
towards why did the applicant

5601
02:54:36,848 --> 02:54:39,848
try point homes choose to

5602
02:54:40,585 --> 02:54:41,353
construct a central avenue to

5603
02:54:41,353 --> 02:54:44,953
access phase one rather than to

5604
02:54:45,322 --> 02:54:46,570
construct Caliente because as

5605
02:54:46,570 --> 02:54:49,570
MR. Prince noted, both Caliente

5606
02:54:50,462 --> 02:54:51,229
and viable vard connection will

5607
02:54:51,229 --> 02:54:54,229
ultimately be needed to support

5608
02:54:55,660 --> 02:54:55,734
this level of development

5609
02:54:55,734 --> 02:54:56,168
that's proposed through this

5610
02:54:56,168 --> 02:54:58,168
specific plan.

5611
02:55:00,438 --> 02:55:04,638
So if if you want to address

5612
02:55:04,876 --> 02:55:05,577
why the applicant try point

5613
02:55:05,577 --> 02:55:08,577
homes chose to present Central

5614
02:55:09,815 --> 02:55:10,515
Avenue instead of Caliente

5615
02:55:10,515 --> 02:55:11,216
Avenue to serve their first

5616
02:55:11,216 --> 02:55:13,952
phase, I'm sure they would be

5617
02:55:13,952 --> 02:55:16,952
happy to answer that question.

5618
02:55:28,700 --> 02:55:32,300
Sure the importance of buyer is

5619
02:55:32,738 --> 02:55:33,638
really to get a secondary

5620
02:55:33,638 --> 02:55:36,380
permanent vehicular access but

5621
02:55:38,643 --> 02:55:41,643
we've we've the six 700 units

5622
02:55:43,548 --> 02:55:44,182
basically we access through our

5623
02:55:44,182 --> 02:55:46,582
property Central Avenue we

5624
02:55:48,119 --> 02:55:48,787
there's a on that oil lander

5625
02:55:48,787 --> 02:55:49,488
map there's a number of one

5626
02:55:49,488 --> 02:55:52,488
acre parcels where we don't

5627
02:55:53,158 --> 02:55:53,792
have right of way for Caliente

5628
02:55:53,792 --> 02:55:56,792
So we obviously wanted to

5629
02:55:57,620 --> 02:55:57,763
provide access into our

5630
02:55:57,763 --> 02:55:58,463
property through our property

5631
02:55:58,463 --> 02:56:02,630
that we control and we focused

5632
02:56:02,701 --> 02:56:03,368
on on buyer instead of caliente

5633
02:56:03,368 --> 02:56:05,768
because we don't trigger

5634
02:56:07,539 --> 02:56:08,207
caliente with our because we

5635
02:56:08,207 --> 02:56:08,540
have access through Central

5636
02:56:08,540 --> 02:56:10,540
Avenue.

5637
02:56:12,110 --> 02:56:12,811
We don't trigger caliente

5638
02:56:12,811 --> 02:56:13,579
anything further for ourselves

5639
02:56:13,579 --> 02:56:16,982
And we wanted to focus on buyer

5640
02:56:16,982 --> 02:56:20,582
which is a permanent like fire

5641
02:56:21,487 --> 02:56:22,870
access secondary access at If

5642
02:56:22,870 --> 02:56:22,821
you're just focusing on

5643
02:56:22,821 --> 02:56:26,421
clientele you only have one way

5644
02:56:26,758 --> 02:56:27,159
in to Southwest Village and one

5645
02:56:27,159 --> 02:56:28,270
one way out.

5646
02:56:28,270 --> 02:56:31,530
So Buyer We focused on buyer

5647
02:56:31,530 --> 02:56:32,398
which provides a secondary

5648
02:56:32,398 --> 02:56:36,368
access So as as part of this

5649
02:56:36,368 --> 02:56:37,135
initial phase even with the 700

5650
02:56:37,135 --> 02:56:41,306
units or so try point we'd be

5651
02:56:41,306 --> 02:56:41,974
building out central as an

5652
02:56:41,974 --> 02:56:42,775
access point on the northern

5653
02:56:42,775 --> 02:56:46,975
side as well as a portion of

5654
02:56:48,914 --> 02:56:49,480
buyer buyers extension.

5655
02:56:49,480 --> 02:56:50,149
That's that's correct.

5656
02:56:50,149 --> 02:56:53,749
At the point the buyer West

5657
02:56:54,190 --> 02:56:57,190
would be done by 700 buyer

5658
02:56:58,290 --> 02:56:58,923
Boulevard West there's a

5659
02:56:58,923 --> 02:57:01,727
portion of buyer east that

5660
02:57:01,727 --> 02:57:02,228
would be done during the 700.

5661
02:57:02,228 --> 02:57:02,528
Got it.

5662
02:57:02,528 --> 02:57:04,528
Okay.

5663
02:57:06,732 --> 02:57:07,699
Thank you.

5664
02:57:07,699 --> 02:57:10,736
Um, I noticed there's a section

5665
02:57:10,736 --> 02:57:13,136
under section 7.12 that seems

5666
02:57:15,740 --> 02:57:15,708
to suggest that property owners

5667
02:57:15,708 --> 02:57:16,342
can go through with other

5668
02:57:16,342 --> 02:57:18,742
phases or phasing of

5669
02:57:20,613 --> 02:57:24,213
the project could be swapped if

5670
02:57:25,500 --> 02:57:28,650
there was an ability to access

5671
02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:30,789
property without going through

5672
02:57:30,789 --> 02:57:31,493
buyer Can you talk through 7.12

5673
02:57:31,493 --> 02:57:34,493
and whether that does offer

5674
02:57:34,926 --> 02:57:35,494
some flexibility for out of

5675
02:57:35,494 --> 02:57:36,194
their property owners?

5676
02:57:36,194 --> 02:57:39,198
I would just sort of point to

5677
02:57:39,198 --> 02:57:39,865
Ashley is technically section

5678
02:57:39,865 --> 02:57:42,265
7.13 phasing in the specific

5679
02:57:44,236 --> 02:57:45,300
plan Subsection g refers to

5680
02:57:45,300 --> 02:57:49,750
sort of the phasing of some of

5681
02:57:49,750 --> 02:57:49,775
the public facilities other

5682
02:57:49,775 --> 02:57:50,376
planning areas will be subject

5683
02:57:50,376 --> 02:57:52,776
to future project level

5684
02:57:54,513 --> 02:57:55,247
analysis including as it

5685
02:57:55,247 --> 02:57:55,948
relates to Buyer Boulevard West

5686
02:57:55,948 --> 02:57:57,948
for necessary infrastructure,

5687
02:57:59,618 --> 02:58:00,319
public facilities in emergency

5688
02:58:00,319 --> 02:58:03,319
access required at each phase

5689
02:58:04,560 --> 02:58:04,656
of development So that's

5690
02:58:04,656 --> 02:58:05,358
the language that is in

5691
02:58:05,358 --> 02:58:08,358
the draft specific plan before

5692
02:58:09,128 --> 02:58:09,862
you today Essentially what that

5693
02:58:09,862 --> 02:58:10,563
means is what I stated earlier

5694
02:58:10,563 --> 02:58:13,563
which is other property owners

5695
02:58:13,999 --> 02:58:14,700
within the Southwest Village

5696
02:58:14,700 --> 02:58:15,467
specific plan area MAY choose

5697
02:58:15,467 --> 02:58:18,971
to come forward with a specific

5698
02:58:18,971 --> 02:58:19,705
development project proposal

5699
02:58:19,705 --> 02:58:20,340
and if they can demonstrate

5700
02:58:20,340 --> 02:58:22,740
that they meet access

5701
02:58:24,410 --> 02:58:25,770
requirements, fire safety

5702
02:58:25,770 --> 02:58:28,770
requirements and all of our

5703
02:58:29,248 --> 02:58:29,849
regulations of the code that

5704
02:58:29,849 --> 02:58:30,382
they could proceed with

5705
02:58:30,382 --> 02:58:32,382
development without

5706
02:58:33,853 --> 02:58:34,420
the necessary without

5707
02:58:34,420 --> 02:58:35,540
necessarily requiring

5708
02:58:35,540 --> 02:58:35,421
the construction of Buyer

5709
02:58:35,421 --> 02:58:36,880
Boulevard.

5710
02:58:36,880 --> 02:58:39,880
So essentially it's like if

5711
02:58:39,192 --> 02:58:39,858
they can present an analysis

5712
02:58:39,858 --> 02:58:40,459
that that staff can support

5713
02:58:40,459 --> 02:58:42,859
staff could permit those

5714
02:58:43,962 --> 02:58:44,664
developments without the need

5715
02:58:44,664 --> 02:58:45,264
to construct buyer But we have

5716
02:58:45,264 --> 02:58:47,664
not seen that analysis.

5717
02:58:49,102 --> 02:58:49,701
We have not seen any other

5718
02:58:49,701 --> 02:58:50,690
development application

5719
02:58:50,690 --> 02:58:52,690
proposals.

5720
02:58:53,406 --> 02:58:54,106
So staff cannot speak to to

5721
02:58:54,106 --> 02:58:57,106
those specifically or reach an

5722
02:58:57,977 --> 02:58:58,277
affirmative conclusion.

5723
02:58:58,277 --> 02:59:00,277
Okay.

5724
02:59:02,982 --> 02:59:05,982
Thank you for sharing that.

5725
02:59:08,321 --> 02:59:09,222
Um, based on what I know so far

5726
02:59:09,222 --> 02:59:12,424
I, I feel like this reminds me

5727
02:59:12,424 --> 02:59:13,125
a little bit of different but

5728
02:59:13,125 --> 02:59:16,725
in my own district where we've

5729
02:59:16,896 --> 02:59:17,630
had some projects that have

5730
02:59:17,630 --> 02:59:18,264
come forward and there's larger

5731
02:59:18,264 --> 02:59:20,264
infrastructure needs that

5732
02:59:21,967 --> 02:59:22,702
frankly are connected because

5733
02:59:22,702 --> 02:59:23,402
of what's in the community plan

5734
02:59:23,402 --> 02:59:26,873
And some of the challenge that

5735
02:59:26,873 --> 02:59:27,573
we always face is how do we

5736
02:59:27,573 --> 02:59:28,240
ensure that the infrastructure

5737
02:59:28,240 --> 02:59:30,640
that's planned for actually

5738
02:59:32,344 --> 02:59:33,790
gets completed and so I do hear

5739
02:59:33,790 --> 02:59:33,880
that argument because I look at

5740
02:59:33,880 --> 02:59:37,283
a portion of my district large

5741
02:59:37,283 --> 02:59:38,151
development that has come in

5742
02:59:38,151 --> 02:59:38,851
And I also know that for it to

5743
02:59:38,851 --> 02:59:41,251
be successful long term

5744
02:59:42,322 --> 02:59:42,989
the remaining connection points

5745
02:59:42,989 --> 02:59:45,989
need to actually happen and

5746
02:59:47,193 --> 02:59:47,927
that some of the discussion

5747
02:59:47,927 --> 02:59:48,560
about whether there's financing

5748
02:59:48,560 --> 02:59:51,560
available for it how that

5749
02:59:51,598 --> 02:59:51,997
happens it always gets left up

5750
02:59:51,997 --> 02:59:52,965
to question.

5751
02:59:52,965 --> 02:59:53,666
But I will also say at the end

5752
02:59:53,666 --> 02:59:57,237
of the day the housing that

5753
02:59:57,237 --> 02:59:57,903
we've built despite those

5754
02:59:57,903 --> 03:00:00,303
questions not being answered

5755
03:00:01,707 --> 03:00:02,509
has still been needed.

5756
03:00:02,509 --> 03:00:03,243
And I think part of the reason

5757
03:00:03,243 --> 03:00:06,120
you're hearing from folks today

5758
03:00:06,120 --> 03:00:06,779
is really this question of how

5759
03:00:06,779 --> 03:00:10,379
do we ensure that the site

5760
03:00:11,151 --> 03:00:11,918
specific plans infrastructure

5761
03:00:11,918 --> 03:00:14,918
that's drawn out actually gets

5762
03:00:15,789 --> 03:00:16,556
completed.

5763
03:00:16,556 --> 03:00:17,156
And so what what gives us

5764
03:00:17,156 --> 03:00:19,556
confidence from a city

5765
03:00:20,860 --> 03:00:21,628
standpoint that for example

5766
03:00:21,628 --> 03:00:25,228
that it won't end at 700 units

5767
03:00:25,899 --> 03:00:26,632
I'm going to argue that 700

5768
03:00:26,632 --> 03:00:27,199
units is also still needed from

5769
03:00:27,199 --> 03:00:29,199
a housing perspective.

5770
03:00:30,770 --> 03:00:31,538
But I think going beyond that,

5771
03:00:31,538 --> 03:00:34,374
how do we how do we actually

5772
03:00:34,374 --> 03:00:35,274
ensure that we get the 5000

5773
03:00:35,274 --> 03:00:38,274
plus units, the completion of

5774
03:00:38,979 --> 03:00:39,679
buyer going west and

5775
03:00:39,679 --> 03:00:41,679
the additional infrastructure

5776
03:00:46,353 --> 03:00:46,653
improvements that are necessary

5777
03:00:46,653 --> 03:00:47,353
?

5778
03:00:47,353 --> 03:00:48,540
So staff has presented a

5779
03:00:48,540 --> 03:00:50,454
specific plan in environmental

5780
03:00:51,825 --> 03:00:52,425
analysis that details all of

5781
03:00:52,425 --> 03:00:54,825
the actions necessary to

5782
03:00:54,995 --> 03:00:55,728
approve up to 5100 130 homes

5783
03:00:55,728 --> 03:00:56,463
Sorry I keep saying that number

5784
03:00:56,463 --> 03:00:59,463
specifically but that's sort of

5785
03:01:00,330 --> 03:01:03,330
what's before you today project

5786
03:01:04,837 --> 03:01:05,638
includes about intended a map

5787
03:01:05,638 --> 03:01:08,641
by the project applicant for up

5788
03:01:08,641 --> 03:01:11,410
to 920 homes and additionally

5789
03:01:13,780 --> 03:01:14,548
property owner can build up to

5790
03:01:14,548 --> 03:01:17,548
2100 homes So that represents a

5791
03:01:18,819 --> 03:01:19,453
significant portion of

5792
03:01:19,453 --> 03:01:20,153
the overall specific plans

5793
03:01:20,153 --> 03:01:22,553
development capacity and there

5794
03:01:23,457 --> 03:01:24,190
has been significant investment

5795
03:01:24,190 --> 03:01:26,590
in the processing of

5796
03:01:28,360 --> 03:01:29,290
the entitlements to bring

5797
03:01:29,290 --> 03:01:32,290
forward today to ensure that

5798
03:01:33,399 --> 03:01:33,867
there is development potential

5799
03:01:33,867 --> 03:01:35,867
within the area.

5800
03:01:37,637 --> 03:01:38,438
Currently it is designated for

5801
03:01:38,438 --> 03:01:39,106
neighborhood village use as in

5802
03:01:39,106 --> 03:01:42,706
the community plan but it is

5803
03:01:42,809 --> 03:01:43,610
zoned for agricultural use So

5804
03:01:43,610 --> 03:01:47,480
there is no the ability for a

5805
03:01:47,480 --> 03:01:48,181
property owner to build today.

5806
03:01:48,181 --> 03:01:48,915
This provides a more detailed

5807
03:01:48,915 --> 03:01:50,915
environmental analysis entitled

5808
03:01:52,352 --> 03:01:53,219
Specific development for to

5809
03:01:53,219 --> 03:01:56,819
come in at at specific phases

5810
03:01:56,823 --> 03:01:57,491
and allows other property

5811
03:01:57,491 --> 03:02:00,491
owners to proceed with their

5812
03:02:01,560 --> 03:02:02,429
own projects.

5813
03:02:02,429 --> 03:02:05,832
Um I guess the last question I

5814
03:02:05,832 --> 03:02:06,567
will ask then is that if if

5815
03:02:06,567 --> 03:02:07,267
another property owner did want

5816
03:02:07,267 --> 03:02:10,867
to move forward with a project

5817
03:02:12,672 --> 03:02:13,307
and could make a proposal or to

5818
03:02:13,307 --> 03:02:14,700
consider building out for

5819
03:02:14,700 --> 03:02:16,420
example a portion of Kelly to

5820
03:02:16,420 --> 03:02:16,710
to to allow for that phasing to

5821
03:02:16,710 --> 03:02:17,411
happen That is what would be

5822
03:02:17,411 --> 03:02:20,411
possible if it was submitted

5823
03:02:21,480 --> 03:02:21,884
and analyzed from a city

5824
03:02:21,884 --> 03:02:22,349
standpoint.

5825
03:02:22,349 --> 03:02:24,349
That's correct.

5826
03:02:25,752 --> 03:02:26,487
The staff staffers would review

5827
03:02:26,487 --> 03:02:27,187
and analyze that in accordance

5828
03:02:27,187 --> 03:02:27,920
with if the specific plan were

5829
03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:30,657
to be adopted it would reviewed

5830
03:02:30,657 --> 03:02:31,358
in accordance with

5831
03:02:31,358 --> 03:02:31,959
the allowances of the specific

5832
03:02:31,959 --> 03:02:34,359
plan the regulations of

5833
03:02:34,928 --> 03:02:35,696
the Land Development Code and

5834
03:02:35,696 --> 03:02:38,696
would ensure that it follows

5835
03:02:40,434 --> 03:02:41,340
the process similar to what

5836
03:02:41,340 --> 03:02:41,702
the best intended of map

5837
03:02:41,702 --> 03:02:44,702
process was followed for it

5838
03:02:45,204 --> 03:02:45,505
concurrent with the specific

5839
03:02:45,505 --> 03:02:45,839
plan.

5840
03:02:45,839 --> 03:02:46,573
Correct.

5841
03:02:46,573 --> 03:02:49,676
Um I guess the last question I

5842
03:02:49,676 --> 03:02:50,410
would ask and this might be

5843
03:02:50,410 --> 03:02:53,480
really more so a point question

5844
03:02:53,480 --> 03:02:54,214
but aside from the first 700

5845
03:02:54,214 --> 03:02:54,948
units that have been discussed,

5846
03:02:54,948 --> 03:02:58,185
how many total what's the total

5847
03:02:58,185 --> 03:03:01,185
capacity of homes that tre'quan

5848
03:03:07,194 --> 03:03:09,594
is able to build?

5849
03:03:11,640 --> 03:03:11,699
It's it's somewhere between

5850
03:03:11,699 --> 03:03:13,699
1500 to 2100 is chaplain's

5851
03:03:15,335 --> 03:03:16,136
intent to complete that for

5852
03:03:16,136 --> 03:03:16,904
Absolutely We we have we have

5853
03:03:16,904 --> 03:03:19,904
to work through our land

5854
03:03:20,774 --> 03:03:23,774
position before we go buying

5855
03:03:25,112 --> 03:03:25,912
other projects where and we're

5856
03:03:25,912 --> 03:03:26,680
out of work we really need to

5857
03:03:26,680 --> 03:03:29,817
keep building homes So this is

5858
03:03:29,817 --> 03:03:30,751
our future basically.

5859
03:03:30,751 --> 03:03:33,751
>> Thank you for answering that

5860
03:03:34,521 --> 03:03:38,121
MR. Kashani Why don't you stay

5861
03:03:39,259 --> 03:03:39,726
a little closer just in case?

5862
03:03:39,726 --> 03:03:41,161
>> Oh, okay.

5863
03:03:41,161 --> 03:03:44,761
I suspect others will call you

5864
03:03:46,534 --> 03:03:47,368
up.

5865
03:03:47,368 --> 03:03:47,868
>> Thank you to staff again for

5866
03:03:47,868 --> 03:03:48,569
the presentation.

5867
03:03:48,569 --> 03:03:49,200
Thank you for those answering

5868
03:03:49,200 --> 03:03:51,200
the questions.

5869
03:03:51,172 --> 03:03:51,906
I hear the concerns about

5870
03:03:51,906 --> 03:03:54,906
the need for infrastructure and

5871
03:03:56,242 --> 03:03:56,844
how how we're actually going to

5872
03:03:56,844 --> 03:03:57,478
plan and guarantee that

5873
03:03:57,478 --> 03:03:59,878
the housing that's needed

5874
03:04:01,115 --> 03:04:01,481
actually happens across

5875
03:04:01,481 --> 03:04:02,216
the board.

5876
03:04:02,216 --> 03:04:02,950
But I also believe that there's

5877
03:04:02,950 --> 03:04:06,860
going to be a vested interest

5878
03:04:06,860 --> 03:04:06,420
across the board to see that

5879
03:04:06,420 --> 03:04:07,154
happen.

5880
03:04:07,154 --> 03:04:10,558
Um I believe that there's going

5881
03:04:10,558 --> 03:04:11,292
to be a need to to build out

5882
03:04:11,292 --> 03:04:11,992
whatever type one has available

5883
03:04:11,992 --> 03:04:14,992
within their capacity but also

5884
03:04:15,362 --> 03:04:16,960
to ensure that the other

5885
03:04:16,960 --> 03:04:16,797
infrastructure that's necessary

5886
03:04:16,797 --> 03:04:20,397
also moves forward so that we

5887
03:04:20,434 --> 03:04:21,102
see other portions of the site

5888
03:04:21,102 --> 03:04:24,102
specific plan come to life.

5889
03:04:25,339 --> 03:04:26,400
The argument that we've heard

5890
03:04:26,400 --> 03:04:26,740
from some folks in opposition

5891
03:04:26,740 --> 03:04:27,308
today that would suggest that

5892
03:04:27,308 --> 03:04:30,144
none of this should be

5893
03:04:30,144 --> 03:04:30,878
considered probably flies in

5894
03:04:30,878 --> 03:04:34,248
the face against most folks who

5895
03:04:34,248 --> 03:04:34,949
are still remaining in the room

5896
03:04:34,949 --> 03:04:38,549
And that's not one that I

5897
03:04:39,286 --> 03:04:39,987
adhere to based on the analysis

5898
03:04:39,987 --> 03:04:40,655
and the work that the city has

5899
03:04:40,655 --> 03:04:44,158
done to plan and to have

5900
03:04:44,158 --> 03:04:44,925
the committee plan updated and

5901
03:04:44,925 --> 03:04:48,629
to align what we can with our

5902
03:04:48,629 --> 03:04:48,929
general plan and blueprint as

5903
03:04:48,929 --> 03:04:49,697
well.

5904
03:04:49,697 --> 03:04:50,398
So given where we stand at

5905
03:04:50,398 --> 03:04:50,964
the moment I'm going to make a

5906
03:04:50,964 --> 03:04:52,964
motion for staff's

5907
03:04:53,734 --> 03:04:54,435
recommendation to move forward

5908
03:04:54,435 --> 03:04:55,102
and I look forward to hearing

5909
03:04:55,102 --> 03:04:55,470
from my colleagues for their

5910
03:04:55,470 --> 03:04:57,470
feedback.

5911
03:04:58,339 --> 03:04:58,706
>> Thank you.

5912
03:04:58,706 --> 03:04:59,440
All right.

5913
03:04:59,440 --> 03:05:00,174
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem So we

5914
03:05:00,174 --> 03:05:00,640
have a motion to move the staff

5915
03:05:00,640 --> 03:05:02,640
recommendation.

5916
03:05:03,344 --> 03:05:06,944
I'm going to jump in again

5917
03:05:07,314 --> 03:05:08,490
would prefer to refer to my

5918
03:05:08,490 --> 03:05:10,490
council district representative

5919
03:05:11,719 --> 03:05:12,419
but that's where we are So

5920
03:05:12,419 --> 03:05:13,187
thank you for the good work.

5921
03:05:13,187 --> 03:05:16,787
There's a lot of questions that

5922
03:05:17,570 --> 03:05:17,792
are being raised here that I'm

5923
03:05:17,792 --> 03:05:21,392
not sure were vetted at earlier

5924
03:05:21,596 --> 03:05:22,196
stages of the hearing but we

5925
03:05:22,196 --> 03:05:24,596
are where we are.

5926
03:05:26,900 --> 03:05:27,668
Part of my perspective is going

5927
03:05:27,668 --> 03:05:30,668
deep into my career maybe

5928
03:05:31,739 --> 03:05:32,473
engineer for East Elliott piece

5929
03:05:32,473 --> 03:05:35,473
of property that was subdivided

5930
03:05:36,678 --> 03:05:40,278
in a very bizarre way and

5931
03:05:41,482 --> 03:05:42,282
remains undeveloped because

5932
03:05:42,282 --> 03:05:42,883
the only way that it was going

5933
03:05:42,883 --> 03:05:43,550
to be developed is if

5934
03:05:43,550 --> 03:05:45,950
the property owners actually

5935
03:05:46,200 --> 03:05:46,821
agreed and they could never

5936
03:05:46,821 --> 03:05:50,421
come to an agreement about how

5937
03:05:51,426 --> 03:05:52,590
to collaborate and a little bit

5938
03:05:52,590 --> 03:05:55,590
of experience with the old

5939
03:05:56,464 --> 03:05:57,232
Arroyo Sorrento area that looks

5940
03:05:57,232 --> 03:06:00,668
to be the same as when I was

5941
03:06:00,668 --> 03:06:01,436
looking at it way more years

5942
03:06:01,436 --> 03:06:01,802
than I would care to admit

5943
03:06:01,802 --> 03:06:03,802
right now.

5944
03:06:05,773 --> 03:06:06,507
So it troubles me in terms of

5945
03:06:06,507 --> 03:06:09,507
these kinds of complexities and

5946
03:06:10,345 --> 03:06:11,145
how we can try to navigate when

5947
03:06:11,145 --> 03:06:14,745
we go and play on somebody

5948
03:06:15,583 --> 03:06:16,350
else's property.

5949
03:06:16,350 --> 03:06:19,950
So a couple of questions Why

5950
03:06:20,321 --> 03:06:21,456
did I do this to the staff?

5951
03:06:21,456 --> 03:06:24,959
>> a Did anybody else submit an

5952
03:06:24,959 --> 03:06:25,726
application?

5953
03:06:25,726 --> 03:06:28,726
No other applications have been

5954
03:06:29,497 --> 03:06:30,131
submitted where are any

5955
03:06:30,131 --> 03:06:30,765
properties prevented from

5956
03:06:30,765 --> 03:06:32,765
submitting an application?

5957
03:06:34,936 --> 03:06:35,602
No with the city have been

5958
03:06:35,602 --> 03:06:36,237
willing to accept tentative

5959
03:06:36,237 --> 03:06:39,237
maps submittals to be done

5960
03:06:39,707 --> 03:06:40,208
concurrent.

5961
03:06:40,208 --> 03:06:40,508
Lee Yes.

5962
03:06:40,508 --> 03:06:42,508
Okay.

5963
03:06:44,445 --> 03:06:45,213
Now just to clarify those could

5964
03:06:45,213 --> 03:06:45,914
not be approved in advance of

5965
03:06:45,914 --> 03:06:48,914
the specific plan but no

5966
03:06:49,818 --> 03:06:50,484
property owners were precluded

5967
03:06:50,484 --> 03:06:51,219
from submitting in advance.

5968
03:06:51,219 --> 03:06:54,819
It could have been bundled with

5969
03:06:55,389 --> 03:06:56,240
multiple actions.

5970
03:06:56,240 --> 03:06:56,624
The theory the yeah they

5971
03:06:56,624 --> 03:06:58,624
wouldn't necessarily be

5972
03:06:59,493 --> 03:07:00,950
processed concurrently Exactly

5973
03:07:00,950 --> 03:07:00,829
because the applicant is

5974
03:07:00,829 --> 03:07:01,496
preparing the specific plan but

5975
03:07:01,496 --> 03:07:04,199
they could be processed and

5976
03:07:04,199 --> 03:07:05,000
sort of at the same time they

5977
03:07:05,000 --> 03:07:09,710
just would not be able to be

5978
03:07:09,710 --> 03:07:09,570
approved prior to adoption of

5979
03:07:09,570 --> 03:07:09,871
the specific plan.

5980
03:07:09,871 --> 03:07:10,604
Okay.

5981
03:07:10,604 --> 03:07:11,239
I think the city ought to think

5982
03:07:11,239 --> 03:07:13,508
differently when we get to

5983
03:07:13,508 --> 03:07:14,208
these bizarre areas and

5984
03:07:14,208 --> 03:07:14,876
hopefully this is the last one

5985
03:07:14,876 --> 03:07:15,577
So you don't have to come up

5986
03:07:15,577 --> 03:07:19,177
with a new protocol because I

5987
03:07:20,849 --> 03:07:21,616
think it's a little troubling.

5988
03:07:21,616 --> 03:07:22,384
>> One of the observations I

5989
03:07:22,384 --> 03:07:25,984
made that has actually not been

5990
03:07:26,870 --> 03:07:26,720
raised here is why we're even

5991
03:07:26,720 --> 03:07:29,720
here because the Otay Mesa

5992
03:07:30,925 --> 03:07:31,626
Community plan talks about this

5993
03:07:31,626 --> 03:07:34,626
area as a neighborhood village

5994
03:07:35,697 --> 03:07:36,398
And so that was one of

5995
03:07:36,398 --> 03:07:36,998
the things that I was curious

5996
03:07:36,998 --> 03:07:39,998
about And I noticed that

5997
03:07:40,101 --> 03:07:40,769
the slide deck of the applicant

5998
03:07:40,769 --> 03:07:43,769
shows a very pretty pictures

5999
03:07:44,639 --> 03:07:45,507
for the mixed use area.

6000
03:07:45,507 --> 03:07:45,807
Slide four speaks to a village

6001
03:07:45,807 --> 03:07:46,508
core.

6002
03:07:46,508 --> 03:07:50,108
The community plan calls for a

6003
03:07:50,178 --> 03:07:50,879
neighborhood village and yet a

6004
03:07:50,879 --> 03:07:53,248
specific plan assigned village

6005
03:07:53,248 --> 03:07:54,150
quarter areas 24 through 27

6006
03:07:54,150 --> 03:07:57,150
which is split among numerous

6007
03:07:58,186 --> 03:07:58,953
underlying property owners.

6008
03:07:58,953 --> 03:07:59,654
So how do we expect this

6009
03:07:59,654 --> 03:08:02,540
neighborhood village which is

6010
03:08:02,491 --> 03:08:03,191
supposedly the driving element

6011
03:08:03,191 --> 03:08:06,191
of the whole Southwest village

6012
03:08:07,529 --> 03:08:08,229
to ever happen notwithstanding

6013
03:08:08,229 --> 03:08:08,900
the issues that were raised by

6014
03:08:08,900 --> 03:08:09,230
some of those in opposition

6015
03:08:09,230 --> 03:08:11,230
tonight?

6016
03:08:12,767 --> 03:08:13,435
But it seems like if you wanted

6017
03:08:13,435 --> 03:08:14,136
to thwart the village court

6018
03:08:14,136 --> 03:08:17,136
from ever happening you would

6019
03:08:17,439 --> 03:08:18,139
do it exactly the way

6020
03:08:18,139 --> 03:08:19,107
the specific plan is doing it.

6021
03:08:19,107 --> 03:08:22,107
It does That question makes

6022
03:08:24,445 --> 03:08:25,213
sense.

6023
03:08:25,213 --> 03:08:28,813
Can you kind of clarify what

6024
03:08:29,830 --> 03:08:29,785
the village core is targeted

6025
03:08:29,785 --> 03:08:30,452
which the village court to me

6026
03:08:30,452 --> 03:08:33,452
is The most important thing

6027
03:08:33,956 --> 03:08:34,656
about Southwest Village?

6028
03:08:34,656 --> 03:08:35,324
It appeared to be the most

6029
03:08:35,324 --> 03:08:38,324
important thing in the Otay

6030
03:08:38,460 --> 03:08:39,930
Mesa community plan.

6031
03:08:39,930 --> 03:08:39,527
We wanted a neighborhood

6032
03:08:39,527 --> 03:08:40,195
village here.

6033
03:08:40,195 --> 03:08:43,195
We wanted this mixed use

6034
03:08:43,432 --> 03:08:44,650
pedestrian friendly And yet

6035
03:08:44,650 --> 03:08:47,650
where the village Core is

6036
03:08:47,436 --> 03:08:48,136
located is in that segment of

6037
03:08:48,136 --> 03:08:51,136
this crazy ownership that has

6038
03:08:52,440 --> 03:08:53,141
the most property owners And

6039
03:08:53,141 --> 03:08:53,841
it's almost like it's intended

6040
03:08:53,841 --> 03:08:57,441
to sabotage it and we will

6041
03:08:57,613 --> 03:08:58,790
never see that actually ever

6042
03:08:58,790 --> 03:09:00,790
manifest itself.

6043
03:09:02,251 --> 03:09:02,851
So why did we pop it there when

6044
03:09:02,851 --> 03:09:03,619
we could have popped it

6045
03:09:03,619 --> 03:09:07,219
someplace else that maybe had a

6046
03:09:07,389 --> 03:09:08,230
singular ownership that made it

6047
03:09:08,230 --> 03:09:08,690
more likely that it would

6048
03:09:08,690 --> 03:09:09,240
happen and happened perhaps

6049
03:09:09,240 --> 03:09:11,240
sooner?

6050
03:09:12,394 --> 03:09:12,927
It's a tough question for you

6051
03:09:12,927 --> 03:09:13,761
but I think correct.

6052
03:09:13,761 --> 03:09:17,660
I do think it is a difficult

6053
03:09:17,660 --> 03:09:17,832
question to answer.

6054
03:09:17,832 --> 03:09:18,434
Let me start by saying that

6055
03:09:18,434 --> 03:09:20,434
the obviously ownership

6056
03:09:22,504 --> 03:09:23,138
challenges are important and do

6057
03:09:23,138 --> 03:09:23,705
need to be considered But

6058
03:09:23,705 --> 03:09:26,105
the ultimate long term

6059
03:09:27,542 --> 03:09:30,542
geographic makeup of the area

6060
03:09:32,647 --> 03:09:33,415
is is a contributing factor.

6061
03:09:33,415 --> 03:09:37,150
So where the major roadways are

6062
03:09:37,190 --> 03:09:37,852
expected to intersect where you

6063
03:09:37,852 --> 03:09:41,452
have sort of a central area

6064
03:09:42,230 --> 03:09:42,825
geographically and sort of what

6065
03:09:42,825 --> 03:09:43,525
that can look like in terms of

6066
03:09:43,525 --> 03:09:45,925
creating public facilities in

6067
03:09:46,328 --> 03:09:48,328
and around it.

6068
03:09:51,600 --> 03:09:52,334
So there is no easy solution to

6069
03:09:52,334 --> 03:09:53,350
an area that is identified, you

6070
03:09:53,350 --> 03:09:56,350
know that you're planning out

6071
03:09:56,472 --> 03:09:57,172
long term.

6072
03:09:57,172 --> 03:10:00,772
But I think that the what

6073
03:10:00,842 --> 03:10:01,643
the staff's proposal today

6074
03:10:01,643 --> 03:10:04,430
provides for implementation of

6075
03:10:06,810 --> 03:10:06,749
housing within the area

6076
03:10:06,749 --> 03:10:07,449
opportunities for commercial

6077
03:10:07,449 --> 03:10:10,449
and mixed use development and

6078
03:10:10,753 --> 03:10:11,353
public facilities that can

6079
03:10:11,353 --> 03:10:11,987
access internally within

6080
03:10:11,987 --> 03:10:14,987
the area and to throughout

6081
03:10:15,925 --> 03:10:16,392
the community and to our

6082
03:10:16,392 --> 03:10:18,392
regional areas.

6083
03:10:20,930 --> 03:10:21,596
>> And I get that it seems that

6084
03:10:21,596 --> 03:10:22,297
such a discretionary action

6085
03:10:22,297 --> 03:10:25,267
something that is so important

6086
03:10:25,267 --> 03:10:25,967
to the amount of time as

6087
03:10:25,967 --> 03:10:28,967
the community plan could have

6088
03:10:29,739 --> 03:10:30,539
navigated that conversation and

6089
03:10:30,539 --> 03:10:31,206
got to a place that's more

6090
03:10:31,206 --> 03:10:34,206
likely because again this is

6091
03:10:34,910 --> 03:10:35,544
really why we're even talking

6092
03:10:35,544 --> 03:10:37,944
about this going forward.

6093
03:10:41,517 --> 03:10:42,117
The Okay so let me get to

6094
03:10:42,117 --> 03:10:44,517
the probably the bigger

6095
03:10:45,888 --> 03:10:48,888
the more foundational issue One

6096
03:10:49,759 --> 03:10:50,459
I don't want to copy out

6097
03:10:50,459 --> 03:10:51,193
the other property owners who

6098
03:10:51,193 --> 03:10:53,996
either were included and didn't

6099
03:10:53,996 --> 03:10:54,730
speak up or were not included

6100
03:10:54,730 --> 03:10:57,730
and prevented from speaking up.

6101
03:10:59,100 --> 03:10:59,301
i'm not going to arbitrate that

6102
03:10:59,301 --> 03:11:00,360
.

6103
03:11:00,360 --> 03:11:03,360
But the idea that Caliente

6104
03:11:03,372 --> 03:11:04,600
would seem like a better

6105
03:11:04,600 --> 03:11:06,406
candidate for the primary

6106
03:11:08,430 --> 03:11:08,744
access to the north that we

6107
03:11:08,744 --> 03:11:09,478
kind of defer to the developer

6108
03:11:09,478 --> 03:11:10,212
and say well I have central I'd

6109
03:11:10,212 --> 03:11:13,212
rather do central rather than

6110
03:11:13,616 --> 03:11:14,417
Caliente but if we're looking

6111
03:11:14,417 --> 03:11:18,287
at a specific plan, maybe we as

6112
03:11:18,287 --> 03:11:18,955
a city should have insisted

6113
03:11:18,955 --> 03:11:19,822
saying Caliente is where we

6114
03:11:19,822 --> 03:11:23,250
need to open this up so that we

6115
03:11:23,250 --> 03:11:23,693
can remove any constraints to

6116
03:11:23,693 --> 03:11:26,693
the rest of the development

6117
03:11:28,530 --> 03:11:29,232
area And we chose not to.

6118
03:11:29,232 --> 03:11:29,899
Is there actually a technical

6119
03:11:29,899 --> 03:11:33,302
reason why we chose not to

6120
03:11:33,302 --> 03:11:34,300
other than clearly try point

6121
03:11:34,300 --> 03:11:34,703
did not want to because they

6122
03:11:34,703 --> 03:11:36,939
didn't control that you don't

6123
03:11:36,939 --> 03:11:39,939
control buyer either but we're

6124
03:11:42,612 --> 03:11:46,212
making buyer happen so has been

6125
03:11:47,316 --> 03:11:48,283
as has been mentioned before

6126
03:11:48,283 --> 03:11:51,883
Caliente is one access point so

6127
03:11:52,722 --> 03:11:55,722
ultimately we need to main

6128
03:11:57,359 --> 03:12:00,359
access points try point homes

6129
03:12:01,998 --> 03:12:04,998
needs a secondary access at 200

6130
03:12:06,702 --> 03:12:07,570
dwelling units for fire access

6131
03:12:07,570 --> 03:12:11,770
And I don't know for sure if

6132
03:12:12,900 --> 03:12:12,742
they had negotiated the what's

6133
03:12:12,742 --> 03:12:15,742
shown as the emergency access

6134
03:12:17,146 --> 03:12:17,814
to the south to rail court in

6135
03:12:17,814 --> 03:12:18,481
San Ysidro at the time that

6136
03:12:18,481 --> 03:12:21,283
they were planning what they

6137
03:12:21,283 --> 03:12:22,510
were going to do.

6138
03:12:22,510 --> 03:12:25,651
So that MAY have had something

6139
03:12:25,988 --> 03:12:26,923
to do with it.

6140
03:12:26,923 --> 03:12:27,890
I think also if you I don't

6141
03:12:27,890 --> 03:12:31,327
know if we have a map that

6142
03:12:31,327 --> 03:12:33,727
shows the ownerships Caliente

6143
03:12:36,132 --> 03:12:36,799
Avenue alignment overlaid on

6144
03:12:36,799 --> 03:12:37,500
the ownerships but I believe

6145
03:12:37,500 --> 03:12:41,100
that's part of the issue with

6146
03:12:41,203 --> 03:12:41,971
Caliente too is a large portion

6147
03:12:41,971 --> 03:12:45,475
of the of Caliente north of

6148
03:12:45,475 --> 03:12:49,750
buyer is in that area with

6149
03:12:50,579 --> 03:12:51,180
multiple property owners So was

6150
03:12:51,180 --> 03:12:53,580
that a technical reason?

6151
03:12:55,418 --> 03:12:55,852
Was that the preference of

6152
03:12:55,852 --> 03:12:56,685
the applicant?

6153
03:12:56,685 --> 03:13:00,885
I mean we can debate that but

6154
03:13:01,560 --> 03:13:01,591
but yes, I think that's some of

6155
03:13:01,591 --> 03:13:03,991
the answer to that.

6156
03:13:05,395 --> 03:13:06,196
I don't know, Oscar, if we were

6157
03:13:06,196 --> 03:13:06,462
pulling at this let me thank

6158
03:13:06,462 --> 03:13:08,462
you.

6159
03:13:09,965 --> 03:13:10,400
Does that start to address

6160
03:13:10,400 --> 03:13:11,100
the question?

6161
03:13:11,100 --> 03:13:11,935
It's a difficult question for

6162
03:13:11,935 --> 03:13:14,604
you to answer and a question of

6163
03:13:14,604 --> 03:13:15,271
we are the city giving

6164
03:13:15,271 --> 03:13:17,671
discretionary approval so we

6165
03:13:19,542 --> 03:13:20,209
have some say in the matter to

6166
03:13:20,209 --> 03:13:23,809
try point say we're going to

6167
03:13:24,580 --> 03:13:25,348
walk away and never come back

6168
03:13:25,348 --> 03:13:25,882
if we did that that's a

6169
03:13:25,882 --> 03:13:27,882
rhetorical question.

6170
03:13:28,951 --> 03:13:29,819
You don't have to answer that

6171
03:13:29,819 --> 03:13:30,520
And I don't even want to talk

6172
03:13:30,520 --> 03:13:32,550
about the secondary evacuation

6173
03:13:32,550 --> 03:13:35,655
route once I figured out where

6174
03:13:37,260 --> 03:13:38,280
it was I'm assuming if the fire

6175
03:13:38,280 --> 03:13:41,280
department is okay with that

6176
03:13:42,198 --> 03:13:42,732
secondary access over dirt

6177
03:13:42,732 --> 03:13:43,466
roads all the way to

6178
03:13:43,466 --> 03:13:46,603
the border, I'm not going to

6179
03:13:46,603 --> 03:13:47,637
question that.

6180
03:13:47,637 --> 03:13:51,508
So let me get to the larger

6181
03:13:51,508 --> 03:13:52,342
issue.

6182
03:13:52,342 --> 03:13:52,776
So I don't know if South has

6183
03:13:52,776 --> 03:13:53,642
had a chance.

6184
03:13:53,642 --> 03:13:56,379
There was a letter from Chatham

6185
03:13:56,379 --> 03:13:57,130
Brown that came in today that

6186
03:13:57,130 --> 03:13:59,130
raised pretty foundational

6187
03:14:01,170 --> 03:14:01,918
issues.

6188
03:14:01,918 --> 03:14:05,518
A lot of the presentation says

6189
03:14:06,156 --> 03:14:06,857
this is all about the Otay Mesa

6190
03:14:06,857 --> 03:14:07,490
community plan and the Channel

6191
03:14:07,490 --> 03:14:10,490
Brown I shouldn't speak on

6192
03:14:11,328 --> 03:14:12,620
behalf of other people said

6193
03:14:12,620 --> 03:14:15,620
you're not even consistent with

6194
03:14:15,999 --> 03:14:16,666
your general plan And given how

6195
03:14:16,666 --> 03:14:20,300
much work that the city has

6196
03:14:20,300 --> 03:14:20,737
done to build the general plan

6197
03:14:20,737 --> 03:14:23,137
and directing development where

6198
03:14:26,143 --> 03:14:26,877
we think it's best from a

6199
03:14:26,877 --> 03:14:27,443
climate action point of view we

6200
03:14:27,443 --> 03:14:29,843
have coal mines travel

6201
03:14:30,547 --> 03:14:33,547
greenhouse gases are famous or

6202
03:14:34,718 --> 03:14:35,485
infamous village propensity map

6203
03:14:35,485 --> 03:14:35,919
There's a little bit of a

6204
03:14:35,919 --> 03:14:37,919
problem there.

6205
03:14:39,489 --> 03:14:39,956
Do they have a good case in

6206
03:14:39,956 --> 03:14:40,657
their argument?

6207
03:14:40,657 --> 03:14:43,657
>> So the general plan or

6208
03:14:44,227 --> 03:14:44,927
blueprint City anticipates that

6209
03:14:44,927 --> 03:14:47,327
lower propensity areas will

6210
03:14:49,266 --> 03:14:49,966
generally accommodate less

6211
03:14:49,966 --> 03:14:52,366
growth than higher propensity

6212
03:14:54,571 --> 03:14:55,272
areas.

6213
03:14:55,272 --> 03:14:57,672
However, neither the general

6214
03:14:59,609 --> 03:15:00,243
plan nor its programmatic air

6215
03:15:00,243 --> 03:15:00,977
are prohibits residential

6216
03:15:00,977 --> 03:15:03,977
development or land use changes

6217
03:15:04,548 --> 03:15:05,249
in lower propensity areas.

6218
03:15:05,249 --> 03:15:07,649
So the village clinical

6219
03:15:08,819 --> 03:15:09,519
propensity map really serves as

6220
03:15:09,519 --> 03:15:10,220
a planning guide for future

6221
03:15:10,220 --> 03:15:13,220
plan updates or specific plans

6222
03:15:14,191 --> 03:15:14,925
rather than a regulatory

6223
03:15:14,925 --> 03:15:17,925
threshold or mandatory limit on

6224
03:15:18,795 --> 03:15:19,762
residential development.

6225
03:15:19,762 --> 03:15:22,762
In some it anticipated less

6226
03:15:23,900 --> 03:15:26,300
density and lower propensity

6227
03:15:28,438 --> 03:15:29,239
areas but does not prohibit.

6228
03:15:29,239 --> 03:15:29,907
Okay There was some questions

6229
03:15:29,907 --> 03:15:30,540
raised I think both in that

6230
03:15:30,540 --> 03:15:33,610
letter and I think some of

6231
03:15:33,610 --> 03:15:34,311
the public speakers that raised

6232
03:15:34,311 --> 03:15:35,440
questions about whether we did

6233
03:15:35,440 --> 03:15:38,515
all the traffic studies and all

6234
03:15:38,515 --> 03:15:39,283
of the most travel studies

6235
03:15:39,283 --> 03:15:39,850
there was supposed to do for a

6236
03:15:39,850 --> 03:15:42,250
project of this size.

6237
03:15:42,685 --> 03:15:43,850
How do you respond to those

6238
03:15:43,850 --> 03:15:43,687
accusations?

6239
03:15:43,687 --> 03:15:45,687
Transportation staff can

6240
03:15:48,292 --> 03:15:48,792
respond to that.

6241
03:15:48,792 --> 03:15:50,792
So we're sorry.

6242
03:15:52,363 --> 03:15:53,970
So vmt analysis was prepared

6243
03:15:53,970 --> 03:15:56,697
for the project and the project

6244
03:15:57,334 --> 03:16:00,237
is located in a vmt inefficient

6245
03:16:00,237 --> 03:16:01,380
area which is in Mobility zone

6246
03:16:01,380 --> 03:16:04,638
four and the project will pay

6247
03:16:05,109 --> 03:16:05,743
the required active

6248
03:16:05,743 --> 03:16:06,410
transportation in lieu fee

6249
03:16:06,410 --> 03:16:08,810
consistent with the Mobility

6250
03:16:10,814 --> 03:16:11,582
Choices regulations and rely on

6251
03:16:11,582 --> 03:16:14,582
the findings and sources of

6252
03:16:15,953 --> 03:16:16,554
the mobility Choices program as

6253
03:16:16,554 --> 03:16:17,187
mitigation to the extent

6254
03:16:17,187 --> 03:16:19,587
feasible so was addressed.

6255
03:16:20,691 --> 03:16:21,910
>> Okay, So you rebut those

6256
03:16:21,910 --> 03:16:22,559
accusations?

6257
03:16:22,559 --> 03:16:24,559
Yes, that's correct.

6258
03:16:26,963 --> 03:16:28,963
>> Okay.

6259
03:16:31,735 --> 03:16:32,636
Trying to think for a moment

6260
03:16:32,636 --> 03:16:36,507
what else I wanted to ask you

6261
03:16:36,507 --> 03:16:37,274
while I have the moment so I'm

6262
03:16:37,274 --> 03:16:40,274
not going to be supporting

6263
03:16:40,978 --> 03:16:41,645
the motion.

6264
03:16:41,645 --> 03:16:42,450
I don't want to deny

6265
03:16:42,450 --> 03:16:42,746
the project.

6266
03:16:42,746 --> 03:16:45,849
I think there's more work that

6267
03:16:45,849 --> 03:16:50,490
can be done in a lot of

6268
03:16:51,154 --> 03:16:51,889
different levels because I

6269
03:16:51,889 --> 03:16:54,889
think despite your answers that

6270
03:16:55,125 --> 03:16:55,826
there are some serious concerns

6271
03:16:55,826 --> 03:16:59,426
that are raised and some of

6272
03:16:59,897 --> 03:17:00,764
the questions that I raised and

6273
03:17:00,764 --> 03:17:01,665
with all due respect to try to

6274
03:17:01,665 --> 03:17:05,536
point to I think as a fine

6275
03:17:05,536 --> 03:17:06,303
developer I I've known Allen

6276
03:17:06,303 --> 03:17:07,400
for a number of years but I

6277
03:17:07,400 --> 03:17:09,940
think we could have taken a

6278
03:17:09,940 --> 03:17:10,641
different and better approach

6279
03:17:10,641 --> 03:17:11,308
with this project that I think

6280
03:17:11,308 --> 03:17:14,308
would have had a potentially

6281
03:17:14,812 --> 03:17:15,513
better outcome.

6282
03:17:15,513 --> 03:17:17,913
Hindsight's wonderful but I

6283
03:17:19,750 --> 03:17:23,950
think there is more work to do

6284
03:17:24,822 --> 03:17:25,489
on this and so I won't be

6285
03:17:25,489 --> 03:17:28,489
supporting the motion but I

6286
03:17:29,660 --> 03:17:30,361
would be supporting it being

6287
03:17:30,361 --> 03:17:31,128
returned to staff to work out

6288
03:17:31,128 --> 03:17:34,932
some of these issues so that we

6289
03:17:34,932 --> 03:17:35,533
have a tighter project, we have

6290
03:17:35,533 --> 03:17:38,533
more of the influence of

6291
03:17:39,704 --> 03:17:40,471
the other property owners and

6292
03:17:40,471 --> 03:17:44,710
we actually set this up for

6293
03:17:44,642 --> 03:17:47,642
success which I'm not entirely

6294
03:17:48,980 --> 03:17:49,280
convinced of going forward I

6295
03:17:49,280 --> 03:17:50,460
think.

6296
03:17:50,460 --> 03:17:50,815
Oh, let me ask one last one

6297
03:17:50,815 --> 03:17:53,815
last question because this was

6298
03:17:54,518 --> 03:17:55,219
raised in someplace Do we

6299
03:17:55,219 --> 03:17:58,219
actually does the applicant or

6300
03:17:59,289 --> 03:17:59,824
Allen do you actually have

6301
03:17:59,824 --> 03:18:00,491
the permits in hand

6302
03:18:00,491 --> 03:18:02,891
the regulatory and wildlife

6303
03:18:03,628 --> 03:18:04,595
permit?

6304
03:18:04,595 --> 03:18:07,595
No, we need the project

6305
03:18:09,330 --> 03:18:09,333
approved to start that process.

6306
03:18:09,333 --> 03:18:11,333
Okay.

6307
03:18:13,537 --> 03:18:14,172
Can I address a few other

6308
03:18:14,172 --> 03:18:14,505
things that you brought up

6309
03:18:14,505 --> 03:18:15,106
earlier?

6310
03:18:15,106 --> 03:18:18,106
You don't need to Okay.

6311
03:18:18,609 --> 03:18:19,343
Thank you though with all due

6312
03:18:19,343 --> 03:18:19,977
respect, I know developers have

6313
03:18:19,977 --> 03:18:21,977
different positions about

6314
03:18:23,647 --> 03:18:24,148
whether to accept have a permit

6315
03:18:24,148 --> 03:18:26,548
in hand or not.

6316
03:18:27,752 --> 03:18:28,586
That's your call.

6317
03:18:28,586 --> 03:18:29,153
But I won't I won't be

6318
03:18:29,153 --> 03:18:29,821
supporting I would be

6319
03:18:29,821 --> 03:18:32,221
supporting returning this to

6320
03:18:33,291 --> 03:18:33,891
staff to work out some of these

6321
03:18:33,891 --> 03:18:34,592
issues that I think are

6322
03:18:34,592 --> 03:18:36,992
actually start out outstanding

6323
03:18:37,861 --> 03:18:38,563
despite the very good work that

6324
03:18:38,563 --> 03:18:38,997
staff has taken to bring this

6325
03:18:38,997 --> 03:18:40,997
item forward.

6326
03:18:42,533 --> 03:18:43,267
I think the city at a certain

6327
03:18:43,267 --> 03:18:43,935
authority a little bit stronger

6328
03:18:43,935 --> 03:18:46,935
and drive what is arguably

6329
03:18:48,306 --> 03:18:48,940
the very last big masterplan

6330
03:18:48,940 --> 03:18:49,474
community that's going to

6331
03:18:49,474 --> 03:18:51,874
happen in this town.

6332
03:18:53,243 --> 03:18:53,945
I'd like to see it go off to be

6333
03:18:53,945 --> 03:18:54,979
the very best that it can be.

6334
03:18:54,979 --> 03:18:58,783
So I'll close there and I will

6335
03:18:58,783 --> 03:18:59,417
go to Council member Yvonne

6336
03:18:59,417 --> 03:19:00,180
Wolpert Thank you Council

6337
03:19:00,180 --> 03:19:02,418
PRESIDENT Thank you for

6338
03:19:02,620 --> 03:19:03,454
the work on this.

6339
03:19:03,454 --> 03:19:03,854
I do have a question about fire

6340
03:19:03,854 --> 03:19:04,455
evacuation.

6341
03:19:04,455 --> 03:19:07,920
Can you please bring up

6342
03:19:07,920 --> 03:19:10,692
the slide that says fire access

6343
03:19:12,464 --> 03:19:13,164
and the presentation And I have

6344
03:19:13,164 --> 03:19:13,865
a couple of questions related

6345
03:19:13,865 --> 03:19:14,466
to the plan public facilities

6346
03:19:14,466 --> 03:19:17,466
and the phasing of their

6347
03:19:17,468 --> 03:19:17,901
delivery while you're looking

6348
03:19:17,901 --> 03:19:18,636
for the side.

6349
03:19:18,636 --> 03:19:19,370
I do agree we need more housing

6350
03:19:19,370 --> 03:19:21,370
in the city.

6351
03:19:22,606 --> 03:19:23,341
i want to thank the Sierra Club

6352
03:19:23,341 --> 03:19:26,410
for being here though because I

6353
03:19:26,410 --> 03:19:26,945
also have concerns about over

6354
03:19:26,945 --> 03:19:27,512
100% conserved land.

6355
03:19:27,512 --> 03:19:29,912
Maybe we should build

6356
03:19:31,483 --> 03:19:32,830
the roadway elevated but it all

6357
03:19:32,830 --> 03:19:32,684
at that Leave that to

6358
03:19:32,684 --> 03:19:35,840
the wildlife agencies to

6359
03:19:35,886 --> 03:19:36,687
discover or to discuss.

6360
03:19:36,687 --> 03:19:39,687
But what we're experiencing up

6361
03:19:41,759 --> 03:19:42,494
in my council district is we're

6362
03:19:42,494 --> 03:19:42,994
taking on increased density and

6363
03:19:42,994 --> 03:19:43,629
we're not getting

6364
03:19:43,629 --> 03:19:46,290
the infrastructure we were

6365
03:19:47,264 --> 03:19:47,632
promised including fire

6366
03:19:47,632 --> 03:19:48,333
stations.

6367
03:19:48,333 --> 03:19:51,333
A fire station 48 was supposed

6368
03:19:52,404 --> 03:19:53,104
to be built and done by 2024

6369
03:19:53,104 --> 03:19:53,804
and I think we've even gotten

6370
03:19:53,804 --> 03:19:56,804
construction out of the ground

6371
03:19:58,209 --> 03:19:58,643
yet And we took on 2500 homes

6372
03:19:58,643 --> 03:20:00,643
in that area.

6373
03:20:02,913 --> 03:20:03,214
So same thing with fire access

6374
03:20:03,214 --> 03:20:05,214
roads.

6375
03:20:08,190 --> 03:20:08,386
I just I don't see us holding

6376
03:20:08,386 --> 03:20:09,200
the city.

6377
03:20:09,200 --> 03:20:09,621
I don't see it holding

6378
03:20:09,621 --> 03:20:10,355
ourselves I don't see is

6379
03:20:10,355 --> 03:20:12,755
willing developers are partners

6380
03:20:12,890 --> 03:20:13,758
to building the infrastructure

6381
03:20:13,758 --> 03:20:14,920
we need as we take on increased

6382
03:20:14,920 --> 03:20:15,260
density.

6383
03:20:15,260 --> 03:20:18,530
And so when I looked at this

6384
03:20:18,530 --> 03:20:19,297
map I was very concerned that

6385
03:20:19,297 --> 03:20:19,998
they're not even going to be a

6386
03:20:19,998 --> 03:20:22,398
secondary access road until

6387
03:20:24,936 --> 03:20:25,737
after 200 units are built.

6388
03:20:25,737 --> 03:20:26,438
But what's not on this map is

6389
03:20:26,438 --> 03:20:29,438
that seriously the high school

6390
03:20:30,509 --> 03:20:30,842
is right there right in Kalak

6391
03:20:30,842 --> 03:20:31,509
County.

6392
03:20:31,509 --> 03:20:32,177
So can you imagine trying to

6393
03:20:32,177 --> 03:20:32,878
evacuate not only the entire

6394
03:20:32,878 --> 03:20:35,213
high school but the community

6395
03:20:35,213 --> 03:20:35,980
around it?

6396
03:20:35,980 --> 03:20:36,714
But what if the fires in

6397
03:20:36,714 --> 03:20:37,315
the canyon near the high school

6398
03:20:37,315 --> 03:20:40,315
then you can't direct an

6399
03:20:40,785 --> 03:20:41,519
evacuation out that way.

6400
03:20:41,519 --> 03:20:45,119
So why wouldn't we require that

6401
03:20:45,123 --> 03:20:45,824
secondary orange line to be

6402
03:20:45,824 --> 03:20:46,124
built when the first unit is

6403
03:20:46,124 --> 03:20:46,892
built?

6404
03:20:46,892 --> 03:20:49,661
Why would we put 200 homes

6405
03:20:49,661 --> 03:20:50,295
there and 200 families there

6406
03:20:50,295 --> 03:20:53,295
and not build a secondary

6407
03:20:59,400 --> 03:20:59,938
access road from day one?

6408
03:20:59,938 --> 03:21:00,672
>> Can I ask Tyler Larson from

6409
03:21:00,672 --> 03:21:03,672
Fire Rescue Department to speak

6410
03:21:04,309 --> 03:21:04,710
on that question please?

6411
03:21:04,710 --> 03:21:05,277
>> Yes.

6412
03:21:05,277 --> 03:21:05,777
Apologies for leaving

6413
03:21:05,777 --> 03:21:07,777
the chamber early.

6414
03:21:11,883 --> 03:21:12,584
My name is probably Lois and

6415
03:21:12,584 --> 03:21:13,218
the supervising deputy marshal

6416
03:21:13,218 --> 03:21:14,987
pertaining to fire rescue

6417
03:21:14,987 --> 03:21:15,654
department We numerous

6418
03:21:15,654 --> 03:21:18,540
discussions about about this

6419
03:21:21,590 --> 03:21:21,926
plant over over multiple years

6420
03:21:21,926 --> 03:21:26,126
So the code the base code reads

6421
03:21:27,165 --> 03:21:29,967
that project are all sprinklers

6422
03:21:29,967 --> 03:21:30,702
up to 200 units are allowed one

6423
03:21:30,702 --> 03:21:33,702
access road When the amendments

6424
03:21:35,874 --> 03:21:36,508
came out in 2023 by then we

6425
03:21:36,508 --> 03:21:39,508
already looked at the fire

6426
03:21:40,612 --> 03:21:41,513
protection plan, the evacuation

6427
03:21:41,513 --> 03:21:42,213
plan We agreed upon all the all

6428
03:21:42,213 --> 03:21:43,248
the way up to the fire marshal

6429
03:21:43,248 --> 03:21:46,248
that the base plan is

6430
03:21:50,322 --> 03:21:51,189
acceptable.

6431
03:21:51,189 --> 03:21:54,250
There's a code one second it's

6432
03:21:54,250 --> 03:21:57,250
one of the 126.1 An exception

6433
03:22:00,232 --> 03:22:00,933
to is that no dwellings are to

6434
03:22:00,933 --> 03:22:01,600
be added to a single fire

6435
03:22:01,600 --> 03:22:04,000
access road unless connected

6436
03:22:06,505 --> 03:22:07,720
with a future development as as

6437
03:22:07,720 --> 03:22:07,439
approved by the Target

6438
03:22:07,439 --> 03:22:08,106
official.

6439
03:22:08,106 --> 03:22:11,430
So we had a lot of internal

6440
03:22:11,430 --> 03:22:11,810
discussions regarding the phase

6441
03:22:11,810 --> 03:22:14,810
plan and get our operational

6442
03:22:17,950 --> 03:22:18,650
experience and you know robust

6443
03:22:18,650 --> 03:22:19,385
resources over the last couple

6444
03:22:19,385 --> 03:22:22,385
of decades We we're comfortable

6445
03:22:26,191 --> 03:22:26,592
with the plans in place.

6446
03:22:26,592 --> 03:22:28,592
Got it.

6447
03:22:31,864 --> 03:22:32,731
I have a feeling that it's not

6448
03:22:32,731 --> 03:22:33,432
going to work out the way we

6449
03:22:33,432 --> 03:22:34,165
think it is 33 to the most

6450
03:22:34,165 --> 03:22:37,165
constrained station in the city

6451
03:22:38,170 --> 03:22:38,870
of San Diego and we were

6452
03:22:38,870 --> 03:22:39,238
promised in their fire station

6453
03:22:39,238 --> 03:22:40,380
years ago.

6454
03:22:40,380 --> 03:22:42,241
So I have a feeling that folks

6455
03:22:42,241 --> 03:22:43,800
at Station six and 29 are going

6456
03:22:43,800 --> 03:22:46,800
to get completely overrun by

6457
03:22:47,746 --> 03:22:48,614
this 43 two so far out the not

6458
03:22:48,614 --> 03:22:52,584
going to be get to be there in

6459
03:22:52,584 --> 03:22:53,285
time And what is the plan for

6460
03:22:53,285 --> 03:22:53,952
building fire station 49 which

6461
03:22:53,952 --> 03:22:57,552
is supposed to be right a

6462
03:22:59,325 --> 03:23:02,925
county road Duffy's in P.A.

6463
03:23:05,197 --> 03:23:05,965
Infrastructure we have it

6464
03:23:05,965 --> 03:23:06,698
started late in the day If I

6465
03:23:06,698 --> 03:23:10,298
did I just Our fire department

6466
03:23:10,536 --> 03:23:11,203
is so under-resourced and we

6467
03:23:11,203 --> 03:23:11,904
just had entire conversation

6468
03:23:11,904 --> 03:23:12,570
about this in our city budget

6469
03:23:12,570 --> 03:23:15,570
and our firefighters came in

6470
03:23:17,877 --> 03:23:18,544
here en masse begging us to

6471
03:23:18,544 --> 03:23:19,245
have more fire stations And

6472
03:23:19,245 --> 03:23:22,245
we're putting housing in high

6473
03:23:22,915 --> 03:23:23,549
fire scenarios and we have what

6474
03:23:23,549 --> 03:23:24,283
my district is now police

6475
03:23:24,283 --> 03:23:26,683
district in Stonebridge Estates

6476
03:23:28,454 --> 03:23:29,422
in our joint planning groups

6477
03:23:29,422 --> 03:23:30,880
are up in arms at us about not

6478
03:23:30,880 --> 03:23:30,823
having a second fire station

6479
03:23:30,823 --> 03:23:33,259
there now So the future council

6480
03:23:33,259 --> 03:23:33,859
members for District eight will

6481
03:23:33,859 --> 03:23:34,794
have to live with this.

6482
03:23:34,794 --> 03:23:39,498
And so I just I don't I don't

6483
03:23:39,498 --> 03:23:40,299
believe that this is

6484
03:23:40,299 --> 03:23:40,966
the appropriate way to plan for

6485
03:23:40,966 --> 03:23:43,366
our fire department overall

6486
03:23:45,605 --> 03:23:46,472
because it won't get built.

6487
03:23:46,472 --> 03:23:47,139
I also have a question about

6488
03:23:47,139 --> 03:23:47,907
why I mean it actually comes

6489
03:23:47,907 --> 03:23:51,507
from the call based on my

6490
03:23:52,445 --> 03:23:53,112
questions about why not county

6491
03:23:53,112 --> 03:23:53,512
road wide and viable of our

6492
03:23:53,512 --> 03:23:54,179
being done.

6493
03:23:54,179 --> 03:23:54,714
I hadn't even thought about

6494
03:23:54,714 --> 03:23:57,114
the village plan And

6495
03:23:57,517 --> 03:23:58,217
Councilmember I understand your

6496
03:23:58,217 --> 03:23:58,951
question So I also won't be

6497
03:23:58,951 --> 03:24:01,951
supporting this today because I

6498
03:24:03,889 --> 03:24:04,590
can't make the findings and I

6499
03:24:04,590 --> 03:24:04,957
would support sending it back

6500
03:24:04,957 --> 03:24:05,524
to staff.

6501
03:24:05,524 --> 03:24:08,524
But I do want housing.

6502
03:24:09,762 --> 03:24:10,363
I just I'm sick and tired of

6503
03:24:10,363 --> 03:24:11,300
seeing the city and our

6504
03:24:11,300 --> 03:24:11,697
residents hold the bag when

6505
03:24:11,697 --> 03:24:12,365
folks are supposed to build

6506
03:24:12,365 --> 03:24:13,199
the fire station on the road

6507
03:24:13,199 --> 03:24:15,199
and they don't.

6508
03:24:20,390 --> 03:24:20,773
So I got I think Councilmember

6509
03:24:20,773 --> 03:24:24,373
Yvonne Wolpert We'll go back to

6510
03:24:25,770 --> 03:24:25,811
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee

6511
03:24:25,811 --> 03:24:26,479
Thanks PRESIDENT I appreciate

6512
03:24:26,479 --> 03:24:27,113
the feedback from colleagues

6513
03:24:27,113 --> 03:24:30,713
and being able to look and

6514
03:24:30,917 --> 03:24:31,650
discuss this further.

6515
03:24:31,650 --> 03:24:32,318
This has been an interesting

6516
03:24:32,318 --> 03:24:33,520
conversation because I feel

6517
03:24:33,520 --> 03:24:35,121
like part of the question we're

6518
03:24:35,121 --> 03:24:35,855
asking which is not the one

6519
03:24:35,855 --> 03:24:36,522
that's on here today from folks

6520
03:24:36,522 --> 03:24:39,522
is whether this entire site

6521
03:24:41,394 --> 03:24:42,127
specific plan should happen

6522
03:24:42,127 --> 03:24:45,727
period, which in my opinion has

6523
03:24:47,633 --> 03:24:48,334
been determined from a city

6524
03:24:48,334 --> 03:24:51,334
standpoint from the moment we

6525
03:24:51,938 --> 03:24:52,538
passed the total community plan

6526
03:24:52,538 --> 03:24:53,272
update back in 2014.

6527
03:24:53,272 --> 03:24:53,973
And so we continue to argue

6528
03:24:53,973 --> 03:24:56,973
over the implementation of it

6529
03:24:58,911 --> 03:24:59,211
which work us versus how it

6530
03:24:59,211 --> 03:24:59,979
goes.

6531
03:24:59,979 --> 03:25:01,881
But even if a county was built

6532
03:25:01,881 --> 03:25:02,548
out tomorrow and not by we

6533
03:25:02,548 --> 03:25:03,248
still only have one egress

6534
03:25:03,248 --> 03:25:03,916
point from the community which

6535
03:25:03,916 --> 03:25:04,584
would present the same issue

6536
03:25:04,584 --> 03:25:07,584
challenging issue I think in

6537
03:25:07,953 --> 03:25:08,655
terms of evacuation etc. And I

6538
03:25:08,655 --> 03:25:11,550
understand there are different

6539
03:25:13,920 --> 03:25:13,392
opinions in the room here

6540
03:25:13,392 --> 03:25:14,126
today.

6541
03:25:14,126 --> 03:25:14,827
I'd be curious as to whether

6542
03:25:14,827 --> 03:25:15,662
this continues if it gets sent

6543
03:25:15,662 --> 03:25:19,262
back but it sounds like there

6544
03:25:20,660 --> 03:25:20,699
needs to be some conversation

6545
03:25:20,699 --> 03:25:21,401
about whether we actually

6546
03:25:21,401 --> 03:25:25,100
desire to see the housing that

6547
03:25:25,905 --> 03:25:26,605
we say that we need and that we

6548
03:25:26,605 --> 03:25:29,605
have planned for and approved

6549
03:25:31,610 --> 03:25:32,278
over a decade ago.

6550
03:25:32,278 --> 03:25:32,946
And now when we're sitting

6551
03:25:32,946 --> 03:25:35,346
during the implementation we

6552
03:25:37,417 --> 03:25:37,984
can make all the pieces of it

6553
03:25:37,984 --> 03:25:38,684
or revisit the entire

6554
03:25:38,684 --> 03:25:41,684
discussion as to whether we'd

6555
03:25:43,560 --> 03:25:43,656
like to move forward at all.

6556
03:25:43,656 --> 03:25:44,390
So again, I understand

6557
03:25:44,390 --> 03:25:47,990
the frustration of the need for

6558
03:25:49,162 --> 03:25:49,829
building that infrastructure

6559
03:25:49,829 --> 03:25:50,263
and the financing challenges

6560
03:25:50,263 --> 03:25:50,930
that we have.

6561
03:25:50,930 --> 03:25:51,631
I did hear just enough from

6562
03:25:51,631 --> 03:25:54,310
the Planning Department about

6563
03:25:55,335 --> 03:25:55,935
how we anticipate moving

6564
03:25:55,935 --> 03:25:56,603
forward especially with

6565
03:25:56,603 --> 03:25:59,603
the support that has already

6566
03:26:02,750 --> 03:26:02,742
been dissipated And I can

6567
03:26:02,742 --> 03:26:03,409
understand from explanations

6568
03:26:03,409 --> 03:26:07,900
why I would choose that path

6569
03:26:07,213 --> 03:26:07,914
because it's the one that they

6570
03:26:07,914 --> 03:26:08,515
have the greatest control here

6571
03:26:08,515 --> 03:26:11,515
and we're asking them to

6572
03:26:13,486 --> 03:26:14,354
basically build the road.

6573
03:26:14,354 --> 03:26:15,550
So I look forward to any

6574
03:26:15,550 --> 03:26:15,455
additional feedback in one way

6575
03:26:15,455 --> 03:26:16,156
or another.

6576
03:26:16,156 --> 03:26:18,556
I appreciate Council PRESIDENT

6577
03:26:19,910 --> 03:26:19,726
For the suggestion that if if

6578
03:26:19,726 --> 03:26:20,360
this isn't ready for some

6579
03:26:20,360 --> 03:26:23,360
reason that we at least

6580
03:26:23,963 --> 03:26:24,430
continue the conversation.

6581
03:26:24,430 --> 03:26:24,831
Thank you.

6582
03:26:24,831 --> 03:26:26,831
Thank you.

6583
03:26:30,669 --> 03:26:31,438
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee

6584
03:26:31,438 --> 03:26:31,838
not see anybody else on

6585
03:26:31,838 --> 03:26:32,705
the lights.

6586
03:26:32,705 --> 03:26:36,905
This is a little tricky and I

6587
03:26:36,943 --> 03:26:37,544
think after five years of being

6588
03:26:37,544 --> 03:26:40,544
a council member, one of

6589
03:26:42,648 --> 03:26:43,349
challenges we have is how much

6590
03:26:43,349 --> 03:26:44,317
work what ten years, 20 years

6591
03:26:44,317 --> 03:26:48,517
to get to this point for this

6592
03:26:48,822 --> 03:26:49,322
plan and then it gets dropped

6593
03:26:49,322 --> 03:26:49,889
in front of us.

6594
03:26:49,889 --> 03:26:50,657
I think even planning

6595
03:26:50,657 --> 03:26:53,657
Commission gets kind of an

6596
03:26:55,195 --> 03:26:55,896
opportunity to weigh in Council

6597
03:26:55,896 --> 03:26:58,896
doesn't quite judicial So it's

6598
03:27:01,670 --> 03:27:01,767
a package deal and it's and I

6599
03:27:01,767 --> 03:27:02,736
don't want you know from my

6600
03:27:02,736 --> 03:27:06,936
point to be clear but this is

6601
03:27:07,540 --> 03:27:08,241
not take it or leave it kind of

6602
03:27:08,241 --> 03:27:08,607
thing because it's not set up

6603
03:27:08,607 --> 03:27:09,276
that way.

6604
03:27:09,276 --> 03:27:12,778
Either you approve it or you

6605
03:27:12,778 --> 03:27:13,480
don't And I'm not personally

6606
03:27:13,480 --> 03:27:17,800
interested in that And I know

6607
03:27:19,185 --> 03:27:19,953
that making a comment like send

6608
03:27:19,953 --> 03:27:20,687
it back to staff to do more

6609
03:27:20,687 --> 03:27:24,558
work if not like a couple of

6610
03:27:24,558 --> 03:27:24,991
weeks there's a whole lot of

6611
03:27:24,991 --> 03:27:25,559
conversation.

6612
03:27:25,559 --> 03:27:26,259
There's a whole lot of

6613
03:27:26,259 --> 03:27:26,926
documentation for whatever if

6614
03:27:26,926 --> 03:27:30,363
any changes have to be done.

6615
03:27:30,363 --> 03:27:30,897
So it's a little bit

6616
03:27:30,897 --> 03:27:31,531
problematic, right?

6617
03:27:31,531 --> 03:27:35,131
The system that we have in

6618
03:27:36,737 --> 03:27:37,104
place makes it pretty

6619
03:27:37,104 --> 03:27:37,770
difficult.

6620
03:27:37,770 --> 03:27:41,370
But I think the question is

6621
03:27:42,442 --> 03:27:43,109
goes back to if this is not

6622
03:27:43,109 --> 03:27:43,810
about housing even though I

6623
03:27:43,810 --> 03:27:44,511
have a little bit of heartburn

6624
03:27:44,511 --> 03:27:48,111
about some of the elements of

6625
03:27:48,648 --> 03:27:49,349
this, it is how we deal with

6626
03:27:49,349 --> 03:27:50,170
multiple property owners, how

6627
03:27:50,170 --> 03:27:53,617
we deal with a single entity

6628
03:27:54,860 --> 03:27:54,721
coming out and getting

6629
03:27:54,721 --> 03:27:55,288
the authority to do that.

6630
03:27:55,288 --> 03:27:55,656
They put the money on

6631
03:27:55,656 --> 03:27:57,656
the table.

6632
03:28:00,930 --> 03:28:00,827
I give them certain rights.

6633
03:28:00,827 --> 03:28:01,494
Some of the questions have been

6634
03:28:01,494 --> 03:28:02,228
raised and I think to me are

6635
03:28:02,228 --> 03:28:05,465
serious enough that I'd like to

6636
03:28:05,465 --> 03:28:06,266
get resolved rather than saying

6637
03:28:06,266 --> 03:28:06,800
let's just approve it and see

6638
03:28:06,800 --> 03:28:07,668
if somebody sues us.

6639
03:28:07,668 --> 03:28:11,268
I hope we've learned from from

6640
03:28:11,738 --> 03:28:12,606
the past.

6641
03:28:12,606 --> 03:28:16,206
But again, you know where I

6642
03:28:17,777 --> 03:28:18,479
landed was sending it back to

6643
03:28:18,479 --> 03:28:22,790
see if some of these issues

6644
03:28:24,317 --> 03:28:25,119
both from a technical analysis

6645
03:28:25,119 --> 03:28:29,319
as well as embody this to make

6646
03:28:29,757 --> 03:28:30,424
sure that this is as successful

6647
03:28:30,424 --> 03:28:34,240
as everybody wants it to be

6648
03:28:36,630 --> 03:28:36,763
going forward So we'll throw it

6649
03:28:36,763 --> 03:28:37,130
over to Council member Wittman

6650
03:28:37,130 --> 03:28:37,831
Thank you.

6651
03:28:37,831 --> 03:28:39,831
Council PRESIDENT Interesting

6652
03:28:41,335 --> 03:28:44,935
discussion here If this were to

6653
03:28:44,938 --> 03:28:48,538
go back to staff, do you

6654
03:28:51,712 --> 03:28:52,412
perceive what do you perceive

6655
03:28:52,412 --> 03:28:56,120
transpiring if this were to go

6656
03:28:57,318 --> 03:29:00,918
back to staff So staff wanting

6657
03:29:03,524 --> 03:29:04,225
to take the feedback period

6658
03:29:04,225 --> 03:29:04,925
from the council members today

6659
03:29:04,925 --> 03:29:05,593
coordinate with the applicant

6660
03:29:05,593 --> 03:29:09,290
and determine if there is a

6661
03:29:09,290 --> 03:29:09,430
change in the project before

6662
03:29:09,430 --> 03:29:10,300
the council.

6663
03:29:10,300 --> 03:29:12,430
So that could include

6664
03:29:15,969 --> 03:29:16,670
modifications to the specific

6665
03:29:16,670 --> 03:29:17,304
plan further evaluation I see

6666
03:29:17,304 --> 03:29:20,304
the attorneys on the way.

6667
03:29:21,575 --> 03:29:25,175
It's all different Her Sorry I

6668
03:29:27,348 --> 03:29:28,150
misread of q So so yeah so we

6669
03:29:28,150 --> 03:29:28,682
understand that the Council

6670
03:29:28,682 --> 03:29:31,820
several council members have

6671
03:29:33,720 --> 03:29:34,355
raised a couple of issues

6672
03:29:34,355 --> 03:29:35,880
related to other mobility

6673
03:29:35,880 --> 03:29:37,488
analysis that would potentially

6674
03:29:39,627 --> 03:29:40,160
be looked at in coordination

6675
03:29:40,160 --> 03:29:40,927
with the applicant.

6676
03:29:40,927 --> 03:29:41,762
>> MS. Local Hi, thank you.

6677
03:29:41,762 --> 03:29:45,362
My name is Elise Low and

6678
03:29:45,566 --> 03:29:46,367
the Development Services

6679
03:29:46,367 --> 03:29:47,340
Director and I just want to

6680
03:29:47,340 --> 03:29:47,768
thank the Council for their

6681
03:29:47,768 --> 03:29:51,720
questions today If in fact this

6682
03:29:51,720 --> 03:29:51,772
item were to go back to staff

6683
03:29:51,772 --> 03:29:52,306
there definitely needs to be

6684
03:29:52,306 --> 03:29:53,700
specific direction.

6685
03:29:53,700 --> 03:29:56,607
We do have the questions that

6686
03:29:57,310 --> 03:29:58,450
you said before you but it's my

6687
03:29:58,450 --> 03:30:00,445
observation that there's really

6688
03:30:02,983 --> 03:30:03,684
not enough specifics here as to

6689
03:30:03,684 --> 03:30:07,284
exactly what you want to see.

6690
03:30:08,355 --> 03:30:08,989
You had questions about that

6691
03:30:08,989 --> 03:30:09,590
neighborhood areas you had

6692
03:30:09,590 --> 03:30:09,924
questions about the fire

6693
03:30:09,924 --> 03:30:10,524
access.

6694
03:30:10,524 --> 03:30:12,924
You had questions about

6695
03:30:15,162 --> 03:30:16,300
facilities financing.

6696
03:30:16,300 --> 03:30:20,230
It would really be to staff as

6697
03:30:20,468 --> 03:30:21,680
well as the applicant if we

6698
03:30:21,680 --> 03:30:21,802
could get some further

6699
03:30:21,802 --> 03:30:22,536
specifics because we don't want

6700
03:30:22,536 --> 03:30:25,973
to run into this again and come

6701
03:30:25,973 --> 03:30:26,740
back to you with something that

6702
03:30:26,740 --> 03:30:27,174
you felt like we weren't able

6703
03:30:27,174 --> 03:30:27,642
to answer it.

6704
03:30:27,642 --> 03:30:29,642
So thank you.

6705
03:30:32,446 --> 03:30:33,347
Thank you.

6706
03:30:33,347 --> 03:30:37,547
Um, let me ask the applicant if

6707
03:30:38,319 --> 03:30:38,920
you would like to respond to

6708
03:30:38,920 --> 03:30:39,520
the variety of different

6709
03:30:39,520 --> 03:30:41,920
concerns that have been

6710
03:30:44,392 --> 03:30:46,792
expressed either by my

6711
03:30:49,964 --> 03:30:50,665
colleagues or by those who have

6712
03:30:50,665 --> 03:30:51,365
expressed property or concerns

6713
03:30:51,365 --> 03:30:54,965
about the proposal in front of

6714
03:30:55,336 --> 03:30:55,803
us?

6715
03:30:55,803 --> 03:30:56,204
>> Yes.

6716
03:30:56,204 --> 03:30:56,871
Thank you.

6717
03:30:56,871 --> 03:30:59,271
Regarding village core, that

6718
03:31:01,509 --> 03:31:02,430
was a very deliberate location

6719
03:31:02,430 --> 03:31:02,609
geographically where

6720
03:31:02,609 --> 03:31:05,609
the village core is in

6721
03:31:07,214 --> 03:31:07,849
the center of Southwest Village

6722
03:31:07,849 --> 03:31:08,215
and the densities fan out

6723
03:31:08,215 --> 03:31:08,916
radially.

6724
03:31:08,916 --> 03:31:11,916
That was the guiding principle

6725
03:31:13,721 --> 03:31:14,540
for the specific plan you're

6726
03:31:14,540 --> 03:31:14,789
saying.

6727
03:31:14,789 --> 03:31:15,489
So I did want to clarify that

6728
03:31:15,489 --> 03:31:19,890
if that's where it happens to

6729
03:31:19,526 --> 03:31:20,610
be And typically from a

6730
03:31:20,610 --> 03:31:20,695
developer standpoint

6731
03:31:20,695 --> 03:31:23,695
the optimal time to build

6732
03:31:25,650 --> 03:31:25,733
the village core is when you've

6733
03:31:25,733 --> 03:31:26,467
got a lot of rooftops and

6734
03:31:26,467 --> 03:31:27,101
that's when the value increases

6735
03:31:27,101 --> 03:31:30,701
and some of these one acre

6736
03:31:31,606 --> 03:31:32,307
parcels will recognize

6737
03:31:32,307 --> 03:31:32,974
the value and sell and someone

6738
03:31:32,974 --> 03:31:36,574
could come in and and build

6739
03:31:37,145 --> 03:31:38,112
that or build that area.

6740
03:31:38,112 --> 03:31:38,746
So I did want to give some some

6741
03:31:38,746 --> 03:31:39,447
color to that because that

6742
03:31:39,447 --> 03:31:43,647
seemed to be one of the things

6743
03:31:44,419 --> 03:31:44,786
that we heard in regards to

6744
03:31:44,786 --> 03:31:46,786
clientele.

6745
03:31:47,855 --> 03:31:48,556
We I've we've spent $15 million

6746
03:31:48,556 --> 03:31:51,556
on this specific plan lately.

6747
03:31:53,228 --> 03:31:53,927
I'm getting 20 to $30,000

6748
03:31:53,927 --> 03:31:56,927
invoices just from the city

6749
03:31:57,899 --> 03:31:58,633
every two weeks And I can't

6750
03:31:58,633 --> 03:31:59,600
continue to do that And to ask

6751
03:31:59,600 --> 03:32:03,800
us to go back and look at

6752
03:32:04,506 --> 03:32:05,172
buying more right away to

6753
03:32:05,172 --> 03:32:05,841
develop and when we already

6754
03:32:05,841 --> 03:32:08,841
have access into our project

6755
03:32:09,677 --> 03:32:10,578
and we're just trying to get

6756
03:32:10,578 --> 03:32:11,279
some houses going so we can go

6757
03:32:11,279 --> 03:32:14,279
after Buyer Boulevard and and

6758
03:32:17,185 --> 03:32:17,852
keep going I honestly I don't

6759
03:32:17,852 --> 03:32:20,852
know like what between Kelly

6760
03:32:22,560 --> 03:32:22,757
R.A. And the Court I don't know

6761
03:32:22,757 --> 03:32:23,580
what else we can go back and

6762
03:32:23,580 --> 03:32:23,758
do.

6763
03:32:23,758 --> 03:32:24,691
I do want to respond to there

6764
03:32:24,691 --> 03:32:28,463
was one thing I meant to share

6765
03:32:28,463 --> 03:32:29,164
There's a correction memo that

6766
03:32:29,164 --> 03:32:32,164
was done just before planning

6767
03:32:33,340 --> 03:32:33,702
commission in regards to

6768
03:32:33,702 --> 03:32:34,335
the 700 unit threshold that

6769
03:32:34,335 --> 03:32:36,735
lets other property owners

6770
03:32:39,573 --> 03:32:40,208
propose something different

6771
03:32:40,208 --> 03:32:40,908
than the 700 trigger That

6772
03:32:40,908 --> 03:32:41,276
appears to be the sticky issue

6773
03:32:41,276 --> 03:32:43,276
for them.

6774
03:32:45,580 --> 03:32:46,281
The door has been opened

6775
03:32:46,281 --> 03:32:46,948
enhanced a little bit further

6776
03:32:46,948 --> 03:32:49,348
with specific plan language

6777
03:32:51,219 --> 03:32:51,920
that lets them propose a

6778
03:32:51,920 --> 03:32:54,320
project and propose something

6779
03:32:56,890 --> 03:32:57,592
different And in regards to

6780
03:32:57,592 --> 03:32:58,326
Councilmember Yvonne Wolpert,

6781
03:32:58,326 --> 03:32:58,993
concerns about fire pushing out

6782
03:32:58,993 --> 03:33:01,993
by buyer doesn't help fire.

6783
03:33:02,898 --> 03:33:03,565
We think we're trying to do

6784
03:33:03,565 --> 03:33:04,398
the right thing by advancing

6785
03:33:04,398 --> 03:33:08,598
roads which is what we do and

6786
03:33:09,738 --> 03:33:10,710
and help activate the community

6787
03:33:10,710 --> 03:33:10,839
so much.

6788
03:33:10,839 --> 03:33:15,390
So one of the concerns that has

6789
03:33:16,244 --> 03:33:19,748
been raised is that you know

6790
03:33:19,748 --> 03:33:22,748
you can do the 689 without

6791
03:33:26,221 --> 03:33:27,220
building Fire Boulevard and

6792
03:33:27,220 --> 03:33:30,622
once you build a 699 you would

6793
03:33:31,259 --> 03:33:31,960
no longer have an incentive a

6794
03:33:31,960 --> 03:33:32,693
financial incentive to build a

6795
03:33:32,693 --> 03:33:35,693
fire boulevard because the cost

6796
03:33:37,900 --> 03:33:38,633
associated with Building Fire

6797
03:33:38,633 --> 03:33:41,633
Boulevard would be greater than

6798
03:33:43,805 --> 03:33:44,539
your proceeds for building

6799
03:33:44,539 --> 03:33:44,906
the rest of the housing that is

6800
03:33:44,906 --> 03:33:45,607
proposed.

6801
03:33:45,607 --> 03:33:48,607
What's your response to that?

6802
03:33:50,445 --> 03:33:50,845
What is the risk that you're

6803
03:33:50,845 --> 03:33:51,647
going to do?

6804
03:33:51,647 --> 03:33:52,213
>> 680 I needed to then say

6805
03:33:52,213 --> 03:33:52,748
okay, we're done here.

6806
03:33:52,748 --> 03:33:55,148
The incentive is all

6807
03:33:55,249 --> 03:33:56,218
the permits that we hold After

6808
03:33:56,218 --> 03:34:00,220
that if we hold up to 2100 that

6809
03:34:00,220 --> 03:34:00,655
leaves 99 That leaves 1800

6810
03:34:00,655 --> 03:34:03,655
permits that we can't pull

6811
03:34:06,600 --> 03:34:06,561
because buyer isn't complete.

6812
03:34:06,561 --> 03:34:07,228
So the permits are

6813
03:34:07,228 --> 03:34:07,962
the incentive for us to keep

6814
03:34:07,962 --> 03:34:10,962
going And that's our our

6815
03:34:12,401 --> 03:34:13,168
intention is to get the air

6816
03:34:13,168 --> 03:34:13,768
certified so we can be one step

6817
03:34:13,768 --> 03:34:15,768
closer to perfecting

6818
03:34:17,739 --> 03:34:18,473
the project starting final

6819
03:34:18,473 --> 03:34:19,140
engineering drawings and moving

6820
03:34:19,140 --> 03:34:21,540
forward into getting funding

6821
03:34:24,579 --> 03:34:25,247
secured with drawings and

6822
03:34:25,247 --> 03:34:25,947
getting a vernal pool Major

6823
03:34:25,947 --> 03:34:26,515
amendment done And by the way

6824
03:34:26,515 --> 03:34:28,915
that vernal pool major

6825
03:34:29,585 --> 03:34:30,352
amendment in order for us to

6826
03:34:30,352 --> 03:34:34,552
start grading we we have to do

6827
03:34:35,924 --> 03:34:36,458
a habitat conservation plan for

6828
03:34:36,458 --> 03:34:37,192
a butterfly and that

6829
03:34:37,192 --> 03:34:40,792
the intention is to bundle that

6830
03:34:41,597 --> 03:34:42,231
together with a major amendment

6831
03:34:42,231 --> 03:34:42,865
and go after buyer And our

6832
03:34:42,865 --> 03:34:45,265
first phase together with

6833
03:34:48,203 --> 03:34:49,710
the wildlife agencies.

6834
03:34:49,710 --> 03:34:49,705
So before we turn dirt you know

6835
03:34:49,705 --> 03:34:50,405
that's moving in the step

6836
03:34:50,405 --> 03:34:52,174
towards getting buyers started

6837
03:34:52,174 --> 03:34:54,174
for construction.

6838
03:34:57,346 --> 03:34:59,346
Thank you.

6839
03:35:03,619 --> 03:35:04,320
A couple of questions for staff

6840
03:35:04,320 --> 03:35:07,320
Are the other landowners are

6841
03:35:10,258 --> 03:35:10,892
they legally precluded from

6842
03:35:10,892 --> 03:35:12,892
entitling their properties

6843
03:35:15,564 --> 03:35:15,898
until Buyer Boulevard is built

6844
03:35:15,898 --> 03:35:16,265
?

6845
03:35:16,265 --> 03:35:18,265
No.

6846
03:35:22,400 --> 03:35:22,704
The there is the there has not

6847
03:35:22,704 --> 03:35:25,704
been a determination made on

6848
03:35:27,643 --> 03:35:28,310
any other specific development

6849
03:35:28,310 --> 03:35:28,878
projects because there have

6850
03:35:28,878 --> 03:35:29,245
been no other projects

6851
03:35:29,245 --> 03:35:31,245
submitted.

6852
03:35:34,160 --> 03:35:34,683
So staff cannot confirm whether

6853
03:35:34,683 --> 03:35:35,500
or not a project could be

6854
03:35:35,500 --> 03:35:37,500
approved.

6855
03:35:39,421 --> 03:35:39,855
The specific plan needs to be

6856
03:35:39,855 --> 03:35:40,589
adopted first.

6857
03:35:40,589 --> 03:35:41,190
The specific plan if adopted as

6858
03:35:41,190 --> 03:35:43,190
presented today includes

6859
03:35:45,728 --> 03:35:46,462
language that a lot would allow

6860
03:35:46,462 --> 03:35:49,462
for other project applicants to

6861
03:35:51,233 --> 03:35:51,933
proceed with an application

6862
03:35:51,933 --> 03:35:52,534
prior to the implementation of

6863
03:35:52,534 --> 03:35:53,202
buyer If their analysis

6864
03:35:53,202 --> 03:35:56,202
confirms that they can meet

6865
03:35:57,840 --> 03:35:58,507
requirements then they could be

6866
03:35:58,507 --> 03:35:58,973
approved without the need to

6867
03:35:58,973 --> 03:35:59,608
construct buyer.

6868
03:35:59,608 --> 03:36:02,608
I know it's a conditional

6869
03:36:03,545 --> 03:36:04,279
answer but that's sort of we

6870
03:36:04,279 --> 03:36:04,980
Can I give you a definitive

6871
03:36:04,980 --> 03:36:05,613
answer yes or no because there

6872
03:36:05,613 --> 03:36:08,317
is no it nothing before us

6873
03:36:08,317 --> 03:36:11,317
today to make that conclusion.

6874
03:36:14,222 --> 03:36:16,222
Thank you.

6875
03:36:20,629 --> 03:36:21,230
The esd conversation has come

6876
03:36:21,230 --> 03:36:21,998
up a couple of times.

6877
03:36:21,998 --> 03:36:25,598
What are the prospects at this

6878
03:36:26,736 --> 03:36:30,336
point as you see the forward

6879
03:36:32,808 --> 03:36:33,542
try to recover its costs in

6880
03:36:33,542 --> 03:36:34,209
constructing viable land either

6881
03:36:34,209 --> 03:36:36,609
through developer impact fee

6882
03:36:40,983 --> 03:36:43,983
credits or through the ifp

6883
03:36:49,358 --> 03:36:50,590
Regarding Buy Woodward just to

6884
03:36:50,590 --> 03:36:52,428
give a little context I think

6885
03:36:52,428 --> 03:36:53,162
currently the project is

6886
03:36:53,162 --> 03:36:53,829
estimated at around $59 million

6887
03:36:53,829 --> 03:36:56,229
around $2 million have been

6888
03:36:59,680 --> 03:36:59,368
allocated to the project using

6889
03:36:59,368 --> 03:37:00,102
funds.

6890
03:37:00,102 --> 03:37:00,769
We're also working with the f d

6891
03:37:00,769 --> 03:37:03,169
board to allocate additional

6892
03:37:05,741 --> 03:37:08,741
funds to this project through

6893
03:37:09,512 --> 03:37:10,179
bonds And the first phase of

6894
03:37:10,179 --> 03:37:10,879
this project includes around

6895
03:37:10,879 --> 03:37:13,879
900 units and the credits for

6896
03:37:15,818 --> 03:37:16,552
that for local mobility or

6897
03:37:16,552 --> 03:37:17,286
development of back These would

6898
03:37:17,286 --> 03:37:20,286
be around $12 million which can

6899
03:37:20,589 --> 03:37:21,325
go towards viable toward

6900
03:37:21,325 --> 03:37:22,240
the entire development was that

6901
03:37:22,240 --> 03:37:25,240
would be additional credits we

6902
03:37:26,962 --> 03:37:27,597
could work with the applicant

6903
03:37:27,597 --> 03:37:28,297
for credit sharing across

6904
03:37:28,297 --> 03:37:30,697
various other developments So

6905
03:37:32,668 --> 03:37:33,503
there are opportunities but

6906
03:37:33,503 --> 03:37:33,936
this is what we have currently.

6907
03:37:33,936 --> 03:37:35,936
>> Thank you.

6908
03:37:37,540 --> 03:37:40,540
I appreciate that as well.

6909
03:37:44,113 --> 03:37:44,780
It's challenging issue here By

6910
03:37:44,780 --> 03:37:45,481
default position is to build

6911
03:37:45,481 --> 03:37:49,810
more housing At the end of

6912
03:37:49,319 --> 03:37:50,520
the day people are struggling

6913
03:37:50,520 --> 03:37:53,652
with the cost of living and

6914
03:37:55,490 --> 03:37:56,225
that is most significantly

6915
03:37:56,225 --> 03:37:59,225
the cost of housing And

6916
03:38:01,598 --> 03:38:02,265
the biggest opportunity that we

6917
03:38:02,265 --> 03:38:05,865
have to address the cost of

6918
03:38:07,403 --> 03:38:11,300
housing is by building more of

6919
03:38:13,243 --> 03:38:13,876
it And short of a really,

6920
03:38:13,876 --> 03:38:15,876
really compelling, obvious

6921
03:38:18,281 --> 03:38:20,681
straightforward reason to hold

6922
03:38:24,788 --> 03:38:25,149
up this project I don't want to

6923
03:38:25,149 --> 03:38:25,989
do that.

6924
03:38:25,989 --> 03:38:30,526
So I think you need a second to

6925
03:38:30,526 --> 03:38:30,827
your motion still am I correct

6926
03:38:30,827 --> 03:38:31,528
?

6927
03:38:31,528 --> 03:38:31,894
>> I'll second the motion.

6928
03:38:31,894 --> 03:38:32,729
All right.

6929
03:38:32,729 --> 03:38:36,929
So we have a motion by Council

6930
03:38:37,733 --> 03:38:38,334
PRESIDENT Pro Town Lee to move

6931
03:38:38,334 --> 03:38:39,200
the staff recommendation

6932
03:38:39,200 --> 03:38:39,335
the second by Council Member

6933
03:38:39,335 --> 03:38:41,335
Whipple.

6934
03:38:43,106 --> 03:38:43,807
We'll go now you might got

6935
03:38:43,807 --> 03:38:46,207
council member Campbell first

6936
03:38:47,644 --> 03:38:48,344
since she hasn't spoken yet

6937
03:38:48,344 --> 03:38:48,878
thank you thank you Council

6938
03:38:48,878 --> 03:38:50,878
PRESIDENT Thank you.

6939
03:38:53,249 --> 03:38:53,950
And I was just wondering if

6940
03:38:53,950 --> 03:38:54,284
that motion had been seconded

6941
03:38:54,284 --> 03:38:55,180
or not.

6942
03:38:55,180 --> 03:38:58,180
I agree with my colleague

6943
03:38:58,888 --> 03:38:59,756
COUNCILMAN Whitburn.

6944
03:38:59,756 --> 03:39:00,560
This has been going on for 20

6945
03:39:00,560 --> 03:39:02,560
years.

6946
03:39:04,594 --> 03:39:05,161
It's here.

6947
03:39:05,161 --> 03:39:06,290
Let's make a decision.

6948
03:39:06,290 --> 03:39:08,498
We've got a motion in a second.

6949
03:39:08,498 --> 03:39:12,698
Let's vote and let's see how it

6950
03:39:15,171 --> 03:39:15,571
turns out.

6951
03:39:15,571 --> 03:39:15,971
All right.

6952
03:39:15,971 --> 03:39:16,639
Thank you.

6953
03:39:16,639 --> 03:39:17,373
Council member Campbell will

6954
03:39:17,373 --> 03:39:17,707
now go to council member Yvonne

6955
03:39:17,707 --> 03:39:19,707
Wolpert.

6956
03:39:19,742 --> 03:39:20,510
Thank you.

6957
03:39:20,510 --> 03:39:21,244
It was brought up that buyer

6958
03:39:21,244 --> 03:39:21,945
Boulevard construction wouldn't

6959
03:39:21,945 --> 03:39:25,545
help the fire department but I

6960
03:39:26,115 --> 03:39:26,415
categorically disagree with

6961
03:39:26,415 --> 03:39:27,117
that.

6962
03:39:27,117 --> 03:39:27,650
Do you know where the closest

6963
03:39:27,650 --> 03:39:30,500
buyers each unit is?

6964
03:39:31,588 --> 03:39:32,355
3229 And to get up to Cali and

6965
03:39:32,355 --> 03:39:35,355
they'd have to get on

6966
03:39:35,658 --> 03:39:36,459
the freeway and then on the 95

6967
03:39:36,459 --> 03:39:40,659
and go over it by about four

6968
03:39:41,164 --> 03:39:41,931
minutes from that station it's

6969
03:39:41,931 --> 03:39:42,565
much easier And I know that I

6970
03:39:42,565 --> 03:39:43,233
am a unique position here

6971
03:39:43,233 --> 03:39:46,833
because I grew up in Scripps

6972
03:39:47,237 --> 03:39:47,937
Ranch and I watched my high

6973
03:39:47,937 --> 03:39:48,471
school friends homes burn down

6974
03:39:48,471 --> 03:39:49,171
in the theater fire.

6975
03:39:49,171 --> 03:39:52,410
So we have the cost of housing

6976
03:39:52,410 --> 03:39:52,709
and rough But guess what?

6977
03:39:52,709 --> 03:39:53,143
The cost of rebuilding is

6978
03:39:53,143 --> 03:39:53,877
really awful.

6979
03:39:53,877 --> 03:39:56,680
Too many people in Altadena are

6980
03:39:56,680 --> 03:39:57,447
really feeling that right now.

6981
03:39:57,447 --> 03:39:58,810
So if we're going to build

6982
03:39:58,810 --> 03:39:58,715
things that build the fire

6983
03:39:58,715 --> 03:40:01,715
stations around them and I

6984
03:40:02,886 --> 03:40:03,587
think it's awful that we ask

6985
03:40:03,587 --> 03:40:04,354
our fire department personnel

6986
03:40:04,354 --> 03:40:08,554
to come in here and be on

6987
03:40:09,159 --> 03:40:09,826
the hook for development

6988
03:40:09,826 --> 03:40:10,160
project with their promised

6989
03:40:10,160 --> 03:40:10,860
things.

6990
03:40:10,860 --> 03:40:11,229
Well, the fire marshal signed

6991
03:40:11,229 --> 03:40:11,862
off on it.

6992
03:40:11,862 --> 03:40:13,764
It's not fair to that fire

6993
03:40:13,764 --> 03:40:14,432
marshal their promise that

6994
03:40:14,432 --> 03:40:14,831
these things will happen and

6995
03:40:14,831 --> 03:40:16,831
they don't.

6996
03:40:18,235 --> 03:40:19,360
And so I think it's quite rude

6997
03:40:19,360 --> 03:40:19,769
that we put our fire personnel

6998
03:40:19,769 --> 03:40:20,437
in that position when they come

6999
03:40:20,437 --> 03:40:21,170
in later to city hall saying

7000
03:40:21,170 --> 03:40:24,170
hey, our working conditions are

7001
03:40:25,309 --> 03:40:25,975
terrible because we built all

7002
03:40:25,975 --> 03:40:26,677
the fire stations so please

7003
03:40:26,677 --> 03:40:28,879
help with the power station at

7004
03:40:28,879 --> 03:40:29,279
position anymore.

7005
03:40:29,279 --> 03:40:29,646
All right.

7006
03:40:29,646 --> 03:40:31,646
Thank you.

7007
03:40:34,284 --> 03:40:34,919
Council member Yvonne Wolpert I

7008
03:40:34,919 --> 03:40:37,919
don't see anybody else on

7009
03:40:39,122 --> 03:40:39,789
the lights so we have a motion

7010
03:40:39,789 --> 03:40:42,789
by Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem

7011
03:40:43,493 --> 03:40:44,930
Lee and a second by Council

7012
03:40:44,930 --> 03:40:44,795
member Campbell to move

7013
03:40:44,795 --> 03:40:47,195
the staff recommendation which

7014
03:40:49,320 --> 03:40:49,566
in that tiny tiny point is up

7015
03:40:49,566 --> 03:40:51,966
there on the screen.

7016
03:40:54,370 --> 03:40:54,771
Oh my apologies.

7017
03:40:54,771 --> 03:40:55,571
Oh, she just wanted the vote.

7018
03:40:55,571 --> 03:40:59,171
So let me correct that Council

7019
03:40:59,343 --> 03:41:02,343
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee made

7020
03:41:02,379 --> 03:41:03,800
the motion and Council member

7021
03:41:03,800 --> 03:41:03,713
Whitburn second in the motion

7022
03:41:03,713 --> 03:41:04,448
so my apologies for that.

7023
03:41:04,448 --> 03:41:07,448
So with nobody else in

7024
03:41:09,153 --> 03:41:09,519
the lights please call

7025
03:41:09,519 --> 03:41:10,220
the roll.

7026
03:41:10,220 --> 03:41:10,921
>> I started sorry the voting

7027
03:41:10,921 --> 03:41:12,623
system Please cast your vote.

7028
03:41:12,623 --> 03:41:13,257
Councilmember Campos I can get

7029
03:41:13,257 --> 03:41:16,257
your vote for the record.

7030
03:41:17,928 --> 03:41:19,928
>> Yes.

7031
03:41:23,933 --> 03:41:24,702
And that passes six to do with

7032
03:41:24,702 --> 03:41:25,369
6 to 2 with Council PRESIDENT

7033
03:41:25,369 --> 03:41:27,769
LaCava and Councilmember Von

7034
03:41:28,371 --> 03:41:31,371
Wilpert voting no Thank you

7035
03:41:33,177 --> 03:41:33,844
Council PRESIDENT And

7036
03:41:33,844 --> 03:41:34,111
Councilmember Moreno recused

7037
03:41:34,111 --> 03:41:34,811
Yes.

7038
03:41:34,811 --> 03:41:36,547
So thank everybody for a very

7039
03:41:36,547 --> 03:41:40,747
long day And I think a very

7040
03:41:41,752 --> 03:41:43,752
productive conversation.

7041
03:41:46,657 --> 03:41:47,424
I think the opposition has some

7042
03:41:47,424 --> 03:41:51,240
work to do given today's action

7043
03:41:51,694 --> 03:41:52,729
by the council.

7044
03:41:52,729 --> 03:41:56,233
So with that we're not done yet

7045
03:41:56,233 --> 03:41:58,233
folks.

7046
03:42:01,305 --> 03:42:01,639
You guys can go and get to my

7047
03:42:01,639 --> 03:42:03,639
script.

7048
03:42:06,343 --> 03:42:07,440
We will now take up non agenda

7049
03:42:07,440 --> 03:42:07,678
public comment council members

7050
03:42:07,678 --> 03:42:10,780
of respect and appreciate

7051
03:42:11,749 --> 03:42:12,449
the public some point our fully

7052
03:42:12,449 --> 03:42:13,830
committed to protecting every

7053
03:42:13,830 --> 03:42:13,818
participant's free speech

7054
03:42:13,818 --> 03:42:15,652
rights at council and committee

7055
03:42:15,652 --> 03:42:16,453
meetings.

7056
03:42:16,453 --> 03:42:16,920
>> Clerk Please proceed with

7057
03:42:16,920 --> 03:42:17,288
public comment.

7058
03:42:17,288 --> 03:42:19,123
Thank you.

7059
03:42:19,123 --> 03:42:19,790
Council PRESIDENT Pearl 2.7 on

7060
03:42:19,790 --> 03:42:20,424
Agenda Public comment is an

7061
03:42:20,424 --> 03:42:22,824
opportunity for members of

7062
03:42:23,594 --> 03:42:24,395
the public to comment on items

7063
03:42:24,395 --> 03:42:25,290
that are not on the agenda but

7064
03:42:25,290 --> 03:42:25,629
within the subject matter

7065
03:42:25,629 --> 03:42:25,963
jurisdiction of the City

7066
03:42:25,963 --> 03:42:27,963
Council.

7067
03:42:29,667 --> 03:42:30,400
Each speaker will have two

7068
03:42:30,400 --> 03:42:31,680
minutes please And if there are

7069
03:42:31,680 --> 03:42:31,769
eight or more speakers on a

7070
03:42:31,769 --> 03:42:34,371
single topic either in person

7071
03:42:34,371 --> 03:42:34,971
or virtually the maximum time

7072
03:42:34,971 --> 03:42:35,306
for the topic will be 16

7073
03:42:35,306 --> 03:42:36,390
minutes.

7074
03:42:36,390 --> 03:42:39,390
If you're in chambers please

7075
03:42:39,176 --> 03:42:39,844
submit your speaker slip Now if

7076
03:42:39,844 --> 03:42:40,511
you're joining us virtually

7077
03:42:40,511 --> 03:42:42,646
now's the time to raise your

7078
03:42:42,646 --> 03:42:43,447
hand by pressing the raise your

7079
03:42:43,447 --> 03:42:47,470
hand icon or if you're calling

7080
03:42:47,752 --> 03:42:51,352
participant Star nine If I can

7081
03:42:52,489 --> 03:42:52,957
start with Barbara Pinder and

7082
03:42:52,957 --> 03:42:53,658
Barbara Pinder.

7083
03:42:53,658 --> 03:42:56,794
I did note that you did submit

7084
03:42:56,794 --> 03:42:57,494
to an on agenda public comment

7085
03:42:57,494 --> 03:42:58,162
Speaker slips You only get one

7086
03:42:58,162 --> 03:43:01,162
two minute allocation so you

7087
03:43:02,330 --> 03:43:02,532
can speak to both topics in

7088
03:43:02,532 --> 03:43:02,900
those two minutes.

7089
03:43:02,900 --> 03:43:04,900
Thank you.

7090
03:43:06,770 --> 03:43:07,404
This is my first time ever here

7091
03:43:07,404 --> 03:43:07,738
and my first full council

7092
03:43:07,738 --> 03:43:09,738
meeting.

7093
03:43:11,174 --> 03:43:11,943
What an experience.

7094
03:43:11,943 --> 03:43:15,543
I ended up here by accident

7095
03:43:15,546 --> 03:43:16,247
last Friday because I had a

7096
03:43:16,247 --> 03:43:16,948
very unpleasant encounter with

7097
03:43:16,948 --> 03:43:21,148
the dog walker who left a big

7098
03:43:21,352 --> 03:43:22,119
mess on the sidewalk And I can

7099
03:43:22,119 --> 03:43:23,870
tell you I walk the I walk San

7100
03:43:23,870 --> 03:43:25,655
Diego a lot and I have never

7101
03:43:25,655 --> 03:43:28,550
ever walked without running

7102
03:43:30,761 --> 03:43:31,629
into dog And she didn't clean

7103
03:43:31,629 --> 03:43:31,929
up her mess And it was a hard

7104
03:43:31,929 --> 03:43:33,929
mess.

7105
03:43:35,333 --> 03:43:36,200
The dog was sick and it was not

7106
03:43:36,200 --> 03:43:37,168
solid And I looked at her said

7107
03:43:37,168 --> 03:43:40,370
You left your mess And she says

7108
03:43:40,370 --> 03:43:40,370
I'm not cleaning up that

7109
03:43:40,370 --> 03:43:41,105
liquid.

7110
03:43:41,105 --> 03:43:44,410
And I said Well then you need

7111
03:43:44,410 --> 03:43:44,709
to go back home and come back

7112
03:43:44,709 --> 03:43:45,309
with something to clean this

7113
03:43:45,309 --> 03:43:48,309
mess up And she didn't.

7114
03:43:49,313 --> 03:43:49,947
So it's not the city's

7115
03:43:49,947 --> 03:43:52,347
responsibility to clean up

7116
03:43:53,851 --> 03:43:54,452
everybody's dog and there have

7117
03:43:54,452 --> 03:43:55,185
to be tougher measures.

7118
03:43:55,185 --> 03:43:55,553
I came down here to talk to

7119
03:43:55,553 --> 03:43:57,553
somebody.

7120
03:43:58,722 --> 03:44:01,722
There is some county ordinance

7121
03:44:03,261 --> 03:44:04,280
that they're responsible And I

7122
03:44:04,280 --> 03:44:04,328
don't know how we can enforce

7123
03:44:04,328 --> 03:44:04,895
that.

7124
03:44:04,895 --> 03:44:07,895
I, I don't know take

7125
03:44:08,599 --> 03:44:09,300
the pictures of her, take her

7126
03:44:09,300 --> 03:44:09,834
picture and posted on the walk

7127
03:44:09,834 --> 03:44:11,834
of shame somewhere.

7128
03:44:13,738 --> 03:44:14,339
But please think of something

7129
03:44:14,339 --> 03:44:17,339
That's my one topic And

7130
03:44:18,209 --> 03:44:19,177
the real reason I.

7131
03:44:19,177 --> 03:44:22,120
>> I took a tour of the to

7132
03:44:22,120 --> 03:44:22,680
honor Ruby Valley We could go

7133
03:44:22,680 --> 03:44:23,414
Saturday and it's absolutely

7134
03:44:23,414 --> 03:44:26,414
pathetic and appalling And then

7135
03:44:27,451 --> 03:44:31,651
I learned that the city of San

7136
03:44:31,790 --> 03:44:32,490
Diego owns property in San

7137
03:44:32,490 --> 03:44:33,124
Ysidro and they're planning on

7138
03:44:33,124 --> 03:44:35,524
putting drying fields and

7139
03:44:36,661 --> 03:44:37,328
pumping sewage into these

7140
03:44:37,328 --> 03:44:37,929
fields and letting them dry

7141
03:44:37,929 --> 03:44:40,929
next to sand and several

7142
03:44:40,965 --> 03:44:41,432
neighborhoods and that's just

7143
03:44:41,432 --> 03:44:42,167
not acceptable.

7144
03:44:42,167 --> 03:44:46,136
So I don't know who's aware of

7145
03:44:46,136 --> 03:44:46,905
that and who's not And if any

7146
03:44:46,905 --> 03:44:47,539
of you are not familiar I mean

7147
03:44:47,539 --> 03:44:49,539
everybody's familiar with

7148
03:44:51,476 --> 03:44:52,210
the beach closures and

7149
03:44:52,210 --> 03:44:52,944
the toxic problem and something

7150
03:44:52,944 --> 03:44:55,980
it's taken way too long to deal

7151
03:44:55,980 --> 03:44:56,814
with this mess.

7152
03:44:56,814 --> 03:45:01,140
But if you haven't seen the big

7153
03:45:01,353 --> 03:45:01,786
jump documentary, I recommend

7154
03:45:01,786 --> 03:45:02,587
you watch it.

7155
03:45:02,587 --> 03:45:05,587
It's 37 minutes at one price

7156
03:45:06,900 --> 03:45:06,591
that the corner of film

7157
03:45:06,591 --> 03:45:07,125
festival in 2023.

7158
03:45:07,125 --> 03:45:09,525
Thank you very much.

7159
03:45:11,196 --> 03:45:11,963
Thank you Maximilian Schmidt if

7160
03:45:11,963 --> 03:45:12,764
you can please come up to the I

7161
03:45:12,764 --> 03:45:15,764
was trying to educate people

7162
03:45:15,800 --> 03:45:16,634
but everyone left.

7163
03:45:16,634 --> 03:45:17,334
I wish I'd been able to speak

7164
03:45:17,334 --> 03:45:20,334
last Friday when the state

7165
03:45:21,406 --> 03:45:22,107
attorney retires concluded but

7166
03:45:22,107 --> 03:45:25,310
there are people online and we

7167
03:45:25,310 --> 03:45:25,976
do have city tv so there's

7168
03:45:25,976 --> 03:45:26,610
people watching Maximillian

7169
03:45:26,610 --> 03:45:29,100
Schmidt and then allegedly

7170
03:45:30,749 --> 03:45:31,150
address Please proceed.

7171
03:45:31,150 --> 03:45:31,883
Hi.

7172
03:45:31,883 --> 03:45:34,919
I have caught the city of San

7173
03:45:34,919 --> 03:45:37,919
Diego and liberal cities across

7174
03:45:39,724 --> 03:45:40,391
America red handed and guilty.

7175
03:45:40,391 --> 03:45:42,791
Guilty Guilty for an

7176
03:45:44,462 --> 03:45:45,950
underground genocide.

7177
03:45:45,950 --> 03:45:45,797
Basically the Internet has

7178
03:45:45,797 --> 03:45:48,197
something called explain like

7179
03:45:48,299 --> 03:45:48,900
I'm five and that's what I'm

7180
03:45:48,900 --> 03:45:51,900
going to do since before

7181
03:45:53,705 --> 03:45:54,439
the time of Christ people have

7182
03:45:54,439 --> 03:45:58,390
been able to worship pagan gods

7183
03:45:58,443 --> 03:45:59,144
to be able have the ability to

7184
03:45:59,144 --> 03:45:59,911
look through people's eyes and

7185
03:45:59,911 --> 03:46:02,911
read people's minds and they

7186
03:46:03,414 --> 03:46:06,414
will try to get someone

7187
03:46:08,219 --> 03:46:08,920
isolated and crazy by doing

7188
03:46:08,920 --> 03:46:12,520
this And the person when they

7189
03:46:13,910 --> 03:46:13,725
talk about it get a labeled

7190
03:46:13,725 --> 03:46:17,162
mentally ill and it's B.S.

7191
03:46:17,162 --> 03:46:17,796
The person's not mentally ill

7192
03:46:17,796 --> 03:46:20,796
And if you search targeted

7193
03:46:22,100 --> 03:46:22,968
individual on Amazon hundreds

7194
03:46:22,968 --> 03:46:23,635
of books will come up in every

7195
03:46:23,635 --> 03:46:26,635
and in every single language

7196
03:46:27,839 --> 03:46:28,572
and in every country in

7197
03:46:28,572 --> 03:46:31,643
the world people are turning to

7198
03:46:31,643 --> 03:46:32,244
drugs and suicide because

7199
03:46:32,244 --> 03:46:32,978
they're driven crazy by

7200
03:46:32,978 --> 03:46:35,978
Freemasons who are saying their

7201
03:46:37,349 --> 03:46:38,417
thoughts out loud.

7202
03:46:38,417 --> 03:46:42,860
And what we need to do is we

7203
03:46:42,860 --> 03:46:42,955
need to these books on Amazon

7204
03:46:42,955 --> 03:46:46,555
every single one says that it's

7205
03:46:46,758 --> 03:46:47,491
technology That is how these

7206
03:46:47,491 --> 03:46:48,226
people are reading your mind or

7207
03:46:48,226 --> 03:46:51,226
and these books are actually

7208
03:46:51,730 --> 03:46:52,398
written by the people who are

7209
03:46:52,398 --> 03:46:53,650
trying to depopulate them to

7210
03:46:53,650 --> 03:46:56,650
make them more paranoid and

7211
03:46:56,301 --> 03:46:57,169
more confused.

7212
03:46:57,169 --> 03:46:57,935
And if the people who are feel

7213
03:46:57,935 --> 03:47:01,535
all alone they need to know

7214
03:47:01,572 --> 03:47:02,307
that you are not alone.

7215
03:47:02,307 --> 03:47:05,710
You are not the only person who

7216
03:47:05,710 --> 03:47:06,411
feels like you're going crazy

7217
03:47:06,411 --> 03:47:09,411
because people are saying your

7218
03:47:10,749 --> 03:47:11,449
thoughts out loud constantly

7219
03:47:11,449 --> 03:47:12,184
are mentally torturing you and

7220
03:47:12,184 --> 03:47:15,784
we know you're not mentally ill

7221
03:47:17,989 --> 03:47:18,757
and you're not alone and oh

7222
03:47:18,757 --> 03:47:22,357
shame on San Diego City Hall

7223
03:47:22,628 --> 03:47:23,195
for screwing with my head.

7224
03:47:23,195 --> 03:47:23,694
You guys are guilty.

7225
03:47:23,694 --> 03:47:24,363
Shame on you.

7226
03:47:24,363 --> 03:47:27,363
You know what you're doing.

7227
03:47:28,600 --> 03:47:28,967
You're also saying my thoughts

7228
03:47:28,967 --> 03:47:29,668
out loud.

7229
03:47:29,668 --> 03:47:30,402
I never thought in a million

7230
03:47:30,402 --> 03:47:33,472
years that the stalkers who say

7231
03:47:33,472 --> 03:47:34,172
my thoughts are that in public

7232
03:47:34,172 --> 03:47:35,400
streets that you guys would do

7233
03:47:35,400 --> 03:47:37,609
it too and you know your guilt

7234
03:47:37,609 --> 03:47:38,343
Shame on all of you and

7235
03:47:38,343 --> 03:47:40,743
everyone is concluded allegedly

7236
03:47:48,920 --> 03:47:52,520
Andre 500 people Oh So like I

7237
03:47:54,910 --> 03:47:54,593
told you guys this morning Tim

7238
03:47:54,593 --> 03:47:56,593
Allen passed away.

7239
03:47:59,398 --> 03:48:00,990
I should bother you as he is a

7240
03:48:00,990 --> 03:48:02,990
light skinned African-American

7241
03:48:04,690 --> 03:48:07,106
man at ten City who is sitting

7242
03:48:07,106 --> 03:48:07,806
in his tent dead for roughly

7243
03:48:07,806 --> 03:48:08,841
five hours before anybody came

7244
03:48:08,841 --> 03:48:12,544
and got him And he is part of

7245
03:48:12,544 --> 03:48:13,312
the lawsuit.

7246
03:48:13,312 --> 03:48:13,712
There were a couple of people

7247
03:48:13,712 --> 03:48:15,712
in his tent.

7248
03:48:16,782 --> 03:48:17,316
In fact, his attorneys spoke to

7249
03:48:17,316 --> 03:48:19,316
him last night.

7250
03:48:21,320 --> 03:48:21,921
I'm very concerned that I keep

7251
03:48:21,921 --> 03:48:24,321
coming to you guys.

7252
03:48:26,257 --> 03:48:26,959
>> Two people died just last

7253
03:48:26,959 --> 03:48:27,426
week or within the last two

7254
03:48:27,426 --> 03:48:29,426
weeks whatever.

7255
03:48:31,596 --> 03:48:34,596
And now another one today.

7256
03:48:35,534 --> 03:48:36,402
And I keep asking you how many

7257
03:48:36,402 --> 03:48:37,135
need to die before you guys do

7258
03:48:37,135 --> 03:48:40,135
something because there's a lot

7259
03:48:40,873 --> 03:48:41,673
of people that are dying that

7260
03:48:41,673 --> 03:48:44,673
have overdosed on fentanyl that

7261
03:48:45,644 --> 03:48:46,377
don't do fentanyl.

7262
03:48:46,377 --> 03:48:49,377
And I'm concerned that this

7263
03:48:50,820 --> 03:48:50,749
man, Tim Allen had a very

7264
03:48:50,749 --> 03:48:53,749
strong testimony that he was

7265
03:48:54,453 --> 03:48:55,870
going to be giving in

7266
03:48:55,870 --> 03:48:58,870
the lawsuit that would be

7267
03:48:59,657 --> 03:49:00,393
beneficial to winning.

7268
03:49:00,393 --> 03:49:01,326
And so as Stephen Whitburn

7269
03:49:01,326 --> 03:49:05,264
likes to laugh in my face I'm

7270
03:49:05,264 --> 03:49:05,965
very concerned because then it

7271
03:49:05,965 --> 03:49:06,699
makes me question does he have

7272
03:49:06,699 --> 03:49:09,869
something to do with the deaths

7273
03:49:09,869 --> 03:49:12,337
if you don't care because it's

7274
03:49:12,337 --> 03:49:15,937
your friend who runs that place

7275
03:49:17,810 --> 03:49:18,210
And it's just I just I don't

7276
03:49:18,210 --> 03:49:20,210
understand.

7277
03:49:22,448 --> 03:49:23,149
>> It's very difficult to come

7278
03:49:23,149 --> 03:49:26,749
and talk to people time and

7279
03:49:27,190 --> 03:49:27,887
again that profess to care

7280
03:49:27,887 --> 03:49:31,957
about the public And I come and

7281
03:49:31,957 --> 03:49:32,625
tell you about people dying and

7282
03:49:32,625 --> 03:49:33,359
it falls upon deaf ears and

7283
03:49:33,359 --> 03:49:37,129
it's like I wouldn't want to be

7284
03:49:37,129 --> 03:49:37,763
reaping what you guys are

7285
03:49:37,763 --> 03:49:38,331
sowing because now you're

7286
03:49:38,331 --> 03:49:40,331
you're like complicit.

7287
03:49:41,767 --> 03:49:42,635
You don't even care.

7288
03:49:42,635 --> 03:49:43,269
>> I mean I've been coming for

7289
03:49:43,269 --> 03:49:45,669
years talking about people

7290
03:49:46,439 --> 03:49:47,139
dying and being raped and it's

7291
03:49:47,139 --> 03:49:48,700
like yeah we can talk about

7292
03:49:48,700 --> 03:49:51,607
rats and all these things but

7293
03:49:51,977 --> 03:49:52,511
when are these lives going to

7294
03:49:52,511 --> 03:49:54,911
matter to you guys?

7295
03:49:56,249 --> 03:49:56,582
That place need to be shut down

7296
03:49:56,582 --> 03:49:57,315
.

7297
03:49:57,315 --> 03:49:57,917
I started the five minute timer

7298
03:49:57,917 --> 03:49:59,352
start going to those

7299
03:49:59,352 --> 03:50:00,119
participating online.

7300
03:50:00,119 --> 03:50:00,486
>> We have nine speakers in

7301
03:50:00,486 --> 03:50:02,486
the queue.

7302
03:50:03,823 --> 03:50:04,123
Hector if you can please unmute

7303
03:50:04,123 --> 03:50:04,590
.

7304
03:50:04,590 --> 03:50:05,910
>> All right.

7305
03:50:05,910 --> 03:50:07,910
Thanks a lot.

7306
03:50:08,728 --> 03:50:09,529
Hey, JULY is officially White

7307
03:50:09,529 --> 03:50:12,932
History Month like I said a few

7308
03:50:12,932 --> 03:50:13,699
days ago and on the 15th of

7309
03:50:13,699 --> 03:50:16,699
JULY we're going to be

7310
03:50:17,704 --> 03:50:18,471
celebrating It's called the

7311
03:50:18,471 --> 03:50:22,710
Joe Biden Day The Joe Biden

7312
03:50:23,420 --> 03:50:23,676
PRESIDENT Who let the illegal

7313
03:50:23,676 --> 03:50:26,760
aliens in and facilitated

7314
03:50:27,547 --> 03:50:28,247
the invasion like 2 million

7315
03:50:28,247 --> 03:50:31,247
people and which you guys

7316
03:50:32,685 --> 03:50:33,118
helped facilitate and spent

7317
03:50:33,118 --> 03:50:33,719
the money on.

7318
03:50:33,719 --> 03:50:36,719
So we're going to start

7319
03:50:37,523 --> 03:50:38,324
cracking down on getting rid of

7320
03:50:38,324 --> 03:50:38,891
all these guys so we don't need

7321
03:50:38,891 --> 03:50:41,291
to build more housing.

7322
03:50:42,662 --> 03:50:43,363
There's thousands of units in

7323
03:50:43,363 --> 03:50:43,862
Mission Valley that are rented

7324
03:50:43,862 --> 03:50:45,862
for 3500 a month.

7325
03:50:48,101 --> 03:50:48,568
There's hundreds of them.

7326
03:50:48,568 --> 03:50:49,201
They're vacant.

7327
03:50:49,201 --> 03:50:52,201
We got plenty of housing.

7328
03:50:52,372 --> 03:50:53,390
We just got to get rid of

7329
03:50:53,390 --> 03:50:56,390
the illegal aliens that are

7330
03:50:56,943 --> 03:50:57,610
occupying the other housing and

7331
03:50:57,610 --> 03:51:00,446
probably a million guys in

7332
03:51:00,446 --> 03:51:01,147
California at least maybe a

7333
03:51:01,147 --> 03:51:04,147
hundred thousand in San Diego.

7334
03:51:05,485 --> 03:51:06,218
They're here illegally just

7335
03:51:06,218 --> 03:51:09,218
blatantly ignoring our laws And

7336
03:51:10,790 --> 03:51:11,491
the criminal part of you as or

7337
03:51:11,491 --> 03:51:14,491
facilitating them and kind of

7338
03:51:15,628 --> 03:51:16,329
cutting tons of slack that time

7339
03:51:16,329 --> 03:51:19,329
for they got to go.

7340
03:51:19,899 --> 03:51:20,767
Plus in a bright or not a good

7341
03:51:20,767 --> 03:51:23,703
side but we're losing 3 to 1 to

7342
03:51:23,703 --> 03:51:24,437
Belgium right now with about 20

7343
03:51:24,437 --> 03:51:24,737
minutes to play in the soccer

7344
03:51:24,737 --> 03:51:26,737
game.

7345
03:51:28,841 --> 03:51:29,542
So it's up in Seattle But we

7346
03:51:29,542 --> 03:51:30,310
really got to get all these

7347
03:51:30,310 --> 03:51:33,910
people out of San Diego that

7348
03:51:34,314 --> 03:51:37,914
even the supporters or so like

7349
03:51:38,752 --> 03:51:39,519
the guys that start firing guys

7350
03:51:39,519 --> 03:51:40,153
that work in the city that

7351
03:51:40,153 --> 03:51:42,153
celebrated Charlie Kirk's

7352
03:51:43,823 --> 03:51:44,557
death, these guys got to go

7353
03:51:44,557 --> 03:51:47,557
They're abomination to our city

7354
03:51:48,930 --> 03:51:48,728
and send them down and start

7355
03:51:48,728 --> 03:51:49,620
smelling that sewer gas in

7356
03:51:49,620 --> 03:51:51,620
Tijuana.

7357
03:51:52,932 --> 03:51:53,299
We better not be putting it in

7358
03:51:53,299 --> 03:51:55,299
a field.

7359
03:51:58,338 --> 03:51:59,720
Let it dry out, have some mercy

7360
03:51:59,720 --> 03:51:59,372
on the little Mexican kids down

7361
03:51:59,372 --> 03:52:01,372
there.

7362
03:52:02,441 --> 03:52:06,410
Come on One before the porta

7363
03:52:06,779 --> 03:52:07,380
Don't make me smell sewer gas.

7364
03:52:07,380 --> 03:52:07,747
That would be great.

7365
03:52:07,747 --> 03:52:08,281
Let me.

7366
03:52:08,281 --> 03:52:10,281
That's brutal, man.

7367
03:52:11,151 --> 03:52:11,784
Come on.

7368
03:52:11,784 --> 03:52:12,586
Your time has concluded.

7369
03:52:12,586 --> 03:52:15,355
I'm going to John Stump If you

7370
03:52:15,355 --> 03:52:17,355
can please unmute.

7371
03:52:20,326 --> 03:52:20,927
Well, thank you very much for

7372
03:52:20,927 --> 03:52:23,327
working this long day.

7373
03:52:24,664 --> 03:52:27,664
I want to compliment Vivian

7374
03:52:29,503 --> 03:52:30,170
Marino for abstaining or

7375
03:52:30,170 --> 03:52:30,770
absenting herself because of

7376
03:52:30,770 --> 03:52:33,170
conflict of interest on

7377
03:52:34,474 --> 03:52:35,141
the last matters And

7378
03:52:35,141 --> 03:52:37,541
particularly I want to

7379
03:52:39,112 --> 03:52:39,879
compliment Council PRESIDENT

7380
03:52:39,879 --> 03:52:43,479
Joe LaCava on the way he

7381
03:52:44,417 --> 03:52:47,417
handled his disclosures or lack

7382
03:52:49,990 --> 03:52:53,590
of just conflicts on the appeal

7383
03:52:54,600 --> 03:52:54,795
matter.

7384
03:52:54,795 --> 03:52:55,662
Joe LaCava did the right thing.

7385
03:52:55,662 --> 03:52:59,262
He stated that he had no

7386
03:52:59,466 --> 03:53:00,100
contacts or he hasn't

7387
03:53:00,100 --> 03:53:02,500
participated with them and

7388
03:53:03,570 --> 03:53:04,171
demonstrated that he was an

7389
03:53:04,171 --> 03:53:06,171
unbiased judicial quasi

7390
03:53:08,709 --> 03:53:09,476
judicial figure.

7391
03:53:09,476 --> 03:53:12,476
You know in Goldberg versus

7392
03:53:13,513 --> 03:53:14,181
Count Kelly the Supreme Court

7393
03:53:14,181 --> 03:53:14,781
established that due process

7394
03:53:14,781 --> 03:53:16,781
protections and minimum

7395
03:53:18,585 --> 03:53:19,319
procedural safeguards that

7396
03:53:19,319 --> 03:53:22,919
include the right to timely and

7397
03:53:22,956 --> 03:53:23,656
adequate notice of the basis

7398
03:53:23,656 --> 03:53:24,258
for the action opportunity to

7399
03:53:24,258 --> 03:53:26,258
defend again against

7400
03:53:27,728 --> 03:53:28,428
the reasons for the action.

7401
03:53:28,428 --> 03:53:30,828
Opportunity to confront and

7402
03:53:32,466 --> 03:53:33,133
cross-examine any adverse

7403
03:53:33,133 --> 03:53:33,834
witnesses an opportunity to

7404
03:53:33,834 --> 03:53:36,234
present arguments and evidence

7405
03:53:37,370 --> 03:53:39,770
orally right to disclose

7406
03:53:42,750 --> 03:53:42,743
opposing evidence assistance of

7407
03:53:42,743 --> 03:53:43,477
retained counsel at parties

7408
03:53:43,477 --> 03:53:46,477
expense decision based on legal

7409
03:53:47,681 --> 03:53:48,348
rules and evidence produced at

7410
03:53:48,348 --> 03:53:50,748
the hearing decision stating

7411
03:53:52,319 --> 03:53:52,786
the evidence relied on and

7412
03:53:52,786 --> 03:53:53,420
the reasons for

7413
03:53:53,420 --> 03:53:55,820
the determination and most

7414
03:53:57,323 --> 03:53:57,791
importantly an impartial

7415
03:53:57,791 --> 03:53:59,791
decision maker.

7416
03:54:02,629 --> 03:54:03,330
Council members If you got an

7417
03:54:03,330 --> 03:54:04,310
appeal that's in your district

7418
03:54:04,310 --> 03:54:07,670
and you have a lot of contact

7419
03:54:07,670 --> 03:54:07,401
and you've gone back and forth

7420
03:54:07,401 --> 03:54:08,680
.

7421
03:54:08,680 --> 03:54:10,680
Please abstain from

7422
03:54:12,138 --> 03:54:12,839
participating in that decision

7423
03:54:12,839 --> 03:54:15,839
because it's obvious that you

7424
03:54:17,244 --> 03:54:18,120
MAY have been a biased figure.

7425
03:54:18,120 --> 03:54:20,412
>> Thank you very much.

7426
03:54:21,615 --> 03:54:24,150
Next is Terence Kelly.

7427
03:54:25,619 --> 03:54:26,487
>> If you can please unmute.

7428
03:54:26,487 --> 03:54:27,354
>> Good evening San Diego City

7429
03:54:27,354 --> 03:54:30,757
Council Chair LaCava My name is

7430
03:54:30,757 --> 03:54:31,225
Terence Kelley and I attend my

7431
03:54:31,225 --> 03:54:31,926
planning group.

7432
03:54:31,926 --> 03:54:35,526
I work in public Health and

7433
03:54:35,596 --> 03:54:36,330
Youth Mentor and and tutoring

7434
03:54:36,330 --> 03:54:39,330
programs my youth mentoring and

7435
03:54:40,167 --> 03:54:40,768
tutoring programs in this city

7436
03:54:40,768 --> 03:54:41,302
includes teens from very

7437
03:54:41,302 --> 03:54:43,302
diverse backgrounds.

7438
03:54:45,506 --> 03:54:46,173
On their behalf I came today to

7439
03:54:46,173 --> 03:54:49,309
report that this is the very

7440
03:54:49,309 --> 03:54:49,943
teens from these diverse

7441
03:54:49,943 --> 03:54:50,444
backgrounds who experience

7442
03:54:50,444 --> 03:54:52,444
health inequities.

7443
03:54:54,181 --> 03:54:54,882
You strive to mitigate

7444
03:54:54,882 --> 03:54:55,549
especially as these teens have

7445
03:54:55,549 --> 03:54:58,549
been targeted by tobacco and

7446
03:54:59,419 --> 03:55:00,120
marijuana companies.

7447
03:55:00,120 --> 03:55:00,754
The African-American Tobacco

7448
03:55:00,754 --> 03:55:02,754
Control Leadership Council

7449
03:55:04,291 --> 03:55:04,992
released more excellent

7450
03:55:04,992 --> 03:55:05,726
research regarding how and i

7451
03:55:05,726 --> 03:55:08,126
quote Big tobacco strategically

7452
03:55:10,300 --> 03:55:10,631
targeted blacks and the deadly

7453
03:55:10,631 --> 03:55:12,631
consequences end quote.

7454
03:55:14,734 --> 03:55:15,535
Now we're taking a close look

7455
03:55:15,535 --> 03:55:16,137
at the role of big marijuana as

7456
03:55:16,137 --> 03:55:18,537
well in creating health

7457
03:55:19,439 --> 03:55:20,173
inequities through their

7458
03:55:20,173 --> 03:55:20,741
promotion of smoking and vaping

7459
03:55:20,741 --> 03:55:22,741
of marijuana products.

7460
03:55:24,278 --> 03:55:24,945
Most often containing high thc

7461
03:55:24,945 --> 03:55:27,345
levels of marijuana Research

7462
03:55:29,215 --> 03:55:29,917
continues to grow regarding

7463
03:55:29,917 --> 03:55:30,584
the role of these products in

7464
03:55:30,584 --> 03:55:32,984
creating cancer and chronic

7465
03:55:33,821 --> 03:55:34,454
disease related health

7466
03:55:34,454 --> 03:55:36,454
inequities among minority

7467
03:55:38,526 --> 03:55:39,126
populations, I respectfully

7468
03:55:39,126 --> 03:55:39,694
suggest that the city's

7469
03:55:39,694 --> 03:55:41,694
enforcement efforts to

7470
03:55:43,364 --> 03:55:43,731
eliminate and toxic eating

7471
03:55:43,731 --> 03:55:44,432
products.

7472
03:55:44,432 --> 03:55:46,432
Sometimes nicotine, sometimes

7473
03:55:48,102 --> 03:55:48,803
marijuana sometimes cbd be

7474
03:55:48,803 --> 03:55:51,803
increased and that no new

7475
03:55:53,140 --> 03:55:53,708
business permits be allowed for

7476
03:55:53,708 --> 03:55:54,308
tobacco and marijuana

7477
03:55:54,308 --> 03:55:54,742
businesses in the city's

7478
03:55:54,742 --> 03:55:56,742
neighborhoods.

7479
03:55:58,246 --> 03:55:58,879
They only harm those

7480
03:55:58,879 --> 03:55:59,347
populations that you most

7481
03:55:59,347 --> 03:56:01,347
strive to serve.

7482
03:56:02,550 --> 03:56:03,117
Thank you for hearing my

7483
03:56:03,117 --> 03:56:03,551
concerns this evening.

7484
03:56:03,551 --> 03:56:04,485
>> Thank you.

7485
03:56:04,485 --> 03:56:08,850
Judy Strang If you can please

7486
03:56:12,693 --> 03:56:13,394
unmute.

7487
03:56:13,394 --> 03:56:13,827
>> Judy Strang I can't.

7488
03:56:13,827 --> 03:56:15,827
There you go.

7489
03:56:16,864 --> 03:56:17,398
Hi and good evening And thank

7490
03:56:17,398 --> 03:56:18,650
you all for staying.

7491
03:56:18,650 --> 03:56:21,650
As always, I appreciate that

7492
03:56:21,435 --> 03:56:22,203
you're as exhausted as your

7493
03:56:22,203 --> 03:56:25,803
audience out here is and want

7494
03:56:26,573 --> 03:56:27,241
to thank City Council person

7495
03:56:27,241 --> 03:56:27,841
Van Wilpert for sharing her

7496
03:56:27,841 --> 03:56:30,241
cancer journey with us.

7497
03:56:31,120 --> 03:56:31,913
I think it's extremely

7498
03:56:31,913 --> 03:56:35,513
important that it gets as much

7499
03:56:35,583 --> 03:56:36,184
attention as possible having

7500
03:56:36,184 --> 03:56:38,184
high visibility elected

7501
03:56:40,787 --> 03:56:41,189
officials speak to it helps a

7502
03:56:41,189 --> 03:56:41,989
great deal.

7503
03:56:41,989 --> 03:56:45,589
I called in because I was

7504
03:56:45,760 --> 03:56:46,494
really interested in item 400

7505
03:56:46,494 --> 03:56:48,894
and the PowerPoint presentation

7506
03:56:50,732 --> 03:56:51,432
that was presented by law

7507
03:56:51,432 --> 03:56:53,832
enforcement regarding the very

7508
03:56:55,569 --> 03:56:56,237
dangerous person who apparently

7509
03:56:56,237 --> 03:56:56,838
was experiencing a psychotic

7510
03:56:56,838 --> 03:56:58,838
episode and threatening

7511
03:57:00,642 --> 03:57:01,374
everyone who was around them

7512
03:57:01,374 --> 03:57:04,974
And the explanation of how much

7513
03:57:05,313 --> 03:57:06,140
this affects public safety

7514
03:57:06,140 --> 03:57:06,581
because it doesn't necessarily

7515
03:57:06,581 --> 03:57:07,382
end in this incident.

7516
03:57:07,382 --> 03:57:10,617
It can be taken out into

7517
03:57:10,617 --> 03:57:11,352
the neighborhood as well.

7518
03:57:11,352 --> 03:57:12,153
The thought that occurred to me

7519
03:57:12,153 --> 03:57:15,753
as a public health educator if

7520
03:57:15,757 --> 03:57:16,392
that's the end result of public

7521
03:57:16,392 --> 03:57:18,792
health decisions made that

7522
03:57:20,128 --> 03:57:20,528
could have perhaps changed

7523
03:57:20,528 --> 03:57:21,262
the course.

7524
03:57:21,262 --> 03:57:25,660
And I'd just like to remind us

7525
03:57:25,660 --> 03:57:25,733
that we should Media release

7526
03:57:25,733 --> 03:57:28,733
came out regarding a highly

7527
03:57:30,171 --> 03:57:30,872
visible incident with a

7528
03:57:30,872 --> 03:57:33,872
psychotic episode due to a

7529
03:57:35,430 --> 03:57:35,543
marijuana use that occurred

7530
03:57:35,543 --> 03:57:37,943
with a girl name.

7531
03:57:40,148 --> 03:57:40,715
I'm sorry Briana She has a very

7532
03:57:40,715 --> 03:57:42,715
interesting last name.

7533
03:57:45,153 --> 03:57:45,820
Specter stabbed a roommate and

7534
03:57:45,820 --> 03:57:46,520
friend and her dog when she

7535
03:57:46,520 --> 03:57:48,920
experienced a cannabis induced

7536
03:57:50,191 --> 03:57:53,191
psychosis after just taking two

7537
03:57:54,362 --> 03:57:55,196
hits off her roommate's bong.

7538
03:57:55,196 --> 03:57:58,796
And help us to remind ourselves

7539
03:57:59,100 --> 03:57:59,868
that when we see this psychotic

7540
03:57:59,868 --> 03:58:02,868
episodes that were presented to

7541
03:58:03,204 --> 03:58:03,905
us today as 400 as well as this

7542
03:58:03,905 --> 03:58:06,305
recent media release regarding

7543
03:58:08,677 --> 03:58:09,477
a court decision, let's take a

7544
03:58:09,477 --> 03:58:10,244
really good look at what we do

7545
03:58:10,244 --> 03:58:13,181
when we make decisions about

7546
03:58:13,181 --> 03:58:14,820
marijuana.

7547
03:58:14,820 --> 03:58:14,515
We don't need more of it in our

7548
03:58:14,515 --> 03:58:14,883
neighborhoods.

7549
03:58:14,883 --> 03:58:15,250
Thank you.

7550
03:58:15,250 --> 03:58:17,250
Thank you.

7551
03:58:18,153 --> 03:58:18,753
The five minute timer had

7552
03:58:18,753 --> 03:58:19,320
concluded there are six

7553
03:58:19,320 --> 03:58:20,210
speakers in the queue.

7554
03:58:20,210 --> 03:58:20,322
No additional speakers will be

7555
03:58:20,322 --> 03:58:22,322
taken.

7556
03:58:22,856 --> 03:58:23,291
Francine Maxwell if you can

7557
03:58:23,291 --> 03:58:23,892
please unmute.

7558
03:58:23,892 --> 03:58:25,892
>> Good evening Francine

7559
03:58:26,962 --> 03:58:27,329
Maxwell Southeastern San Diego

7560
03:58:27,329 --> 03:58:28,290
resident.

7561
03:58:28,290 --> 03:58:31,899
I would like to make sure that

7562
03:58:31,899 --> 03:58:32,533
I continue with my request as

7563
03:58:32,533 --> 03:58:33,340
the Council goes on their

7564
03:58:33,340 --> 03:58:35,340
legislative break.

7565
03:58:36,872 --> 03:58:37,506
The city continues to run and

7566
03:58:37,506 --> 03:58:39,506
there's opportunities for

7567
03:58:41,760 --> 03:58:41,743
the community to get educated

7568
03:58:41,743 --> 03:58:44,143
especially given the consent

7569
03:58:46,140 --> 03:58:46,781
agenda last week where our

7570
03:58:46,781 --> 03:58:49,781
energy equity campus was given

7571
03:58:51,319 --> 03:58:53,719
another extension from dsd.

7572
03:58:56,224 --> 03:58:57,920
So it's very interesting that

7573
03:58:57,920 --> 03:59:00,692
the ib a shared with some

7574
03:59:01,695 --> 03:59:02,297
constituents and some of my

7575
03:59:02,297 --> 03:59:02,931
neighbors that yes there

7576
03:59:02,931 --> 03:59:05,331
the legislative branch but

7577
03:59:05,500 --> 03:59:06,340
the operational branch is

7578
03:59:06,340 --> 03:59:06,635
really controlled by

7579
03:59:06,635 --> 03:59:08,635
the legislative branch.

7580
03:59:10,105 --> 03:59:11,600
And so that's why this land

7581
03:59:11,600 --> 03:59:14,606
that used to be shovel ready

7582
03:59:15,376 --> 03:59:16,211
it's not shovel ready anymore

7583
03:59:16,211 --> 03:59:19,814
but the person in charge of it

7584
03:59:19,814 --> 03:59:20,515
Demetrius he doesn't have

7585
03:59:20,515 --> 03:59:24,115
the same love for making sure

7586
03:59:24,553 --> 03:59:24,919
that people in San Diego are

7587
03:59:24,919 --> 03:59:25,621
employed.

7588
03:59:25,621 --> 03:59:29,221
His developers are from out of

7589
03:59:29,891 --> 03:59:30,525
town his right hand So the city

7590
03:59:30,525 --> 03:59:31,260
should be looking at that

7591
03:59:31,260 --> 03:59:34,260
because it's going to be

7592
03:59:34,663 --> 03:59:35,363
the council that gets this

7593
03:59:35,363 --> 03:59:38,963
reverted and the state is MAY

7594
03:59:39,501 --> 03:59:40,135
force us to sell because it's

7595
03:59:40,135 --> 03:59:40,568
going to be classified as

7596
03:59:40,568 --> 03:59:42,568
surplus land.

7597
03:59:44,939 --> 03:59:45,640
So again with all of that being

7598
03:59:45,640 --> 03:59:48,640
misconstrued it would be nice

7599
03:59:49,611 --> 03:59:53,811
to either the ipa or dsd would

7600
03:59:54,315 --> 03:59:54,950
hold an educational opportunity

7601
03:59:54,950 --> 03:59:55,816
so the community can be

7602
03:59:55,816 --> 03:59:58,816
educated on why for 20 plus

7603
03:59:59,221 --> 03:59:59,988
years something that was shovel

7604
03:59:59,988 --> 04:00:04,159
ready is now having fires on it

7605
04:00:04,159 --> 04:00:04,859
and illegal dumping And it's

7606
04:00:04,859 --> 04:00:07,259
just very interesting because

7607
04:00:08,864 --> 04:00:09,765
there's no communication and

7608
04:00:09,765 --> 04:00:13,365
this is prime land and we

7609
04:00:14,203 --> 04:00:14,870
deserve better.

7610
04:00:14,870 --> 04:00:15,570
And I'm hoping that during

7611
04:00:15,570 --> 04:00:18,570
the legislative break the city

7612
04:00:18,974 --> 04:00:19,508
can take it upon themselves to

7613
04:00:19,508 --> 04:00:20,242
do some educational

7614
04:00:20,242 --> 04:00:22,242
opportunities for constituents.

7615
04:00:24,246 --> 04:00:24,546
Thank you for allowing me to

7616
04:00:24,546 --> 04:00:24,980
speak.

7617
04:00:24,980 --> 04:00:25,447
>> Thank you.

7618
04:00:25,447 --> 04:00:27,447
Next is Madison.

7619
04:00:32,955 --> 04:00:33,254
If you can please unmute.

7620
04:00:33,254 --> 04:00:33,989
Hello.

7621
04:00:33,989 --> 04:00:36,389
Good afternoon Council members.

7622
04:00:38,327 --> 04:00:39,128
I'm here to encourage the City

7623
04:00:39,128 --> 04:00:42,631
of San Diego to take seriously

7624
04:00:42,631 --> 04:00:43,365
the public health and safety

7625
04:00:43,365 --> 04:00:43,732
impacts of today's high potency

7626
04:00:43,732 --> 04:00:45,732
marijuana.

7627
04:00:47,369 --> 04:00:48,170
Over the past decade marijuana

7628
04:00:48,170 --> 04:00:48,771
has become far more potent than

7629
04:00:48,771 --> 04:00:50,771
in previous generations.

7630
04:00:53,800 --> 04:00:53,576
Many people still view it as

7631
04:00:53,576 --> 04:00:54,143
harmless But emergency

7632
04:00:54,143 --> 04:00:56,143
physicians, addiction

7633
04:00:57,312 --> 04:00:57,913
specialists and mental health

7634
04:00:57,913 --> 04:00:58,580
professionals are seeing

7635
04:00:58,580 --> 04:00:58,981
increasing cases of cannabis

7636
04:00:58,981 --> 04:01:00,981
dependance.

7637
04:01:02,351 --> 04:01:03,850
Cannabis and do psychosis

7638
04:01:03,850 --> 04:01:05,485
impaired driving and accidental

7639
04:01:07,880 --> 04:01:07,856
ingestion by children.

7640
04:01:07,856 --> 04:01:08,657
Just this week a coalition of

7641
04:01:08,657 --> 04:01:11,570
major transportation and safety

7642
04:01:12,600 --> 04:01:12,628
organizations led by

7643
04:01:12,628 --> 04:01:13,328
the American Trucking

7644
04:01:13,328 --> 04:01:13,962
Association warned the federal

7645
04:01:13,962 --> 04:01:15,962
government that weakening

7646
04:01:16,865 --> 04:01:17,599
marijuana testing requirements

7647
04:01:17,599 --> 04:01:18,100
could have serious consequences

7648
04:01:18,100 --> 04:01:20,100
for truck drivers.

7649
04:01:21,303 --> 04:01:21,937
Airline pilots, transit

7650
04:01:21,937 --> 04:01:22,437
operators and other safety

7651
04:01:22,437 --> 04:01:24,437
sensitive workers.

7652
04:01:26,409 --> 04:01:27,760
They emphasized that there is

7653
04:01:27,760 --> 04:01:27,809
currently no scientifically

7654
04:01:27,809 --> 04:01:30,209
validated roadside or workplace

7655
04:01:31,513 --> 04:01:32,810
test that measures real time

7656
04:01:32,810 --> 04:01:34,810
marijuana impairment.

7657
04:01:35,584 --> 04:01:36,385
Because of that drug testing

7658
04:01:36,385 --> 04:01:37,119
remains one of the few tools

7659
04:01:37,119 --> 04:01:40,719
available to reduce the risk of

7660
04:01:41,123 --> 04:01:41,790
impaired individuals operating

7661
04:01:41,790 --> 04:01:42,358
vehicles and equipment that

7662
04:01:42,358 --> 04:01:44,758
the public depends on.

7663
04:01:45,695 --> 04:01:46,328
Splitting their concern

7664
04:01:46,328 --> 04:01:46,962
highlights that marijuana

7665
04:01:46,962 --> 04:01:49,362
impairment is difficult to

7666
04:01:50,232 --> 04:01:50,899
detect making prevention

7667
04:01:50,899 --> 04:01:53,299
especially important here in

7668
04:01:55,604 --> 04:01:56,305
San Diego.

7669
04:01:56,305 --> 04:01:56,973
In this city carefully

7670
04:01:56,973 --> 04:01:59,373
considers the public health

7671
04:02:00,575 --> 04:02:01,770
impacts of future marijuana

7672
04:02:01,770 --> 04:02:03,770
related policies.

7673
04:02:05,214 --> 04:02:05,914
Normalization causes harm

7674
04:02:05,914 --> 04:02:06,649
especially with products that

7675
04:02:06,649 --> 04:02:09,649
carry real risks for developing

7676
04:02:09,885 --> 04:02:12,285
brains mental health, workplace

7677
04:02:14,991 --> 04:02:15,357
safety and impaired driving.

7678
04:02:15,357 --> 04:02:15,958
Thank you.

7679
04:02:15,958 --> 04:02:18,358
Next is Becky Rapp.

7680
04:02:23,999 --> 04:02:24,500
If you can please unmute.

7681
04:02:24,500 --> 04:02:25,367
>> Good evening.

7682
04:02:25,367 --> 04:02:26,135
My name is Becky Rapp and I

7683
04:02:26,135 --> 04:02:29,105
wanted to bring to your

7684
04:02:29,105 --> 04:02:29,538
attention some encouraging news

7685
04:02:29,538 --> 04:02:31,538
from the dea.

7686
04:02:34,177 --> 04:02:37,177
The agency has announced their

7687
04:02:37,313 --> 04:02:38,460
plan to classify the drugs 7-h

7688
04:02:38,460 --> 04:02:38,414
as a schedule one controlled

7689
04:02:38,414 --> 04:02:40,414
substance.

7690
04:02:41,317 --> 04:02:41,917
Many people know seven h as

7691
04:02:41,917 --> 04:02:42,618
the highly intoxicating

7692
04:02:42,618 --> 04:02:45,180
psychoactive compound found in

7693
04:02:47,560 --> 04:02:47,723
Kratom which is being sold in

7694
04:02:47,723 --> 04:02:48,124
products found in smoke and

7695
04:02:48,124 --> 04:02:50,124
vape shops.

7696
04:02:51,460 --> 04:02:52,161
This federal action is

7697
04:02:52,161 --> 04:02:52,729
important because the city of

7698
04:02:52,729 --> 04:02:55,129
San Diego has already

7699
04:02:56,310 --> 04:02:56,666
prohibited the sale of kratom

7700
04:02:56,666 --> 04:02:57,299
products due to the public

7701
04:02:57,299 --> 04:02:59,699
health risks they present.

7702
04:03:01,303 --> 04:03:02,400
Yet residents continue to

7703
04:03:02,400 --> 04:03:04,404
report seeing kratom products

7704
04:03:05,942 --> 04:03:06,642
openly displayed and sold

7705
04:03:06,642 --> 04:03:09,420
despite the city's ordinance.

7706
04:03:10,279 --> 04:03:10,947
The dea decision provides

7707
04:03:10,947 --> 04:03:11,580
another enforcement tool and

7708
04:03:11,580 --> 04:03:12,215
creates an opportunity for

7709
04:03:12,215 --> 04:03:15,215
the city to work alongside

7710
04:03:15,218 --> 04:03:15,852
state and federal agencies to

7711
04:03:15,852 --> 04:03:16,419
enforce the laws that are

7712
04:03:16,419 --> 04:03:18,819
already on the books.

7713
04:03:20,560 --> 04:03:20,523
I also want to point out

7714
04:03:20,523 --> 04:03:21,157
another concern.

7715
04:03:21,157 --> 04:03:24,157
Many smoke shops and vape

7716
04:03:25,940 --> 04:03:25,828
stores continue to sell

7717
04:03:25,828 --> 04:03:26,529
products that don't comply with

7718
04:03:26,529 --> 04:03:29,529
local or state laws including

7719
04:03:30,166 --> 04:03:30,899
intoxicating hemp products that

7720
04:03:30,899 --> 04:03:31,300
are often advertised or labeled

7721
04:03:31,300 --> 04:03:33,300
as cbd plus.

7722
04:03:34,737 --> 04:03:35,437
Some of these products are

7723
04:03:35,437 --> 04:03:36,172
marketed as wellness products

7724
04:03:36,172 --> 04:03:39,772
even though many contain thc or

7725
04:03:39,809 --> 04:03:40,443
other psychoactive ingredients.

7726
04:03:40,443 --> 04:03:43,443
This is why education and

7727
04:03:44,180 --> 04:03:44,547
enforcement are both so

7728
04:03:44,547 --> 04:03:45,281
important.

7729
04:03:45,281 --> 04:03:45,982
I'd like to ask the Council and

7730
04:03:45,982 --> 04:03:48,982
the City Attorney's office to

7731
04:03:49,452 --> 04:03:50,530
use this opportunity to

7732
04:03:50,530 --> 04:03:50,787
strengthen enforcement.

7733
04:03:50,787 --> 04:03:53,187
San Diego's existing ordinances

7734
04:03:54,591 --> 04:03:55,191
increase inspections of smoke

7735
04:03:55,191 --> 04:03:57,591
and vape shops, educate

7736
04:03:59,262 --> 04:03:59,829
retailers and hold repeat

7737
04:03:59,829 --> 04:04:00,196
violators accountable.

7738
04:04:00,196 --> 04:04:00,563
Thank you.

7739
04:04:00,563 --> 04:04:02,563
Thank you.

7740
04:04:02,898 --> 04:04:06,498
Next is 8700 If you can please

7741
04:04:06,936 --> 04:04:08,936
unmute.

7742
04:04:11,741 --> 04:04:14,141
Do not enjoy Senator.

7743
04:04:16,345 --> 04:04:17,147
I'll begin with the condolences

7744
04:04:17,147 --> 04:04:20,147
to Tim Allen's family and

7745
04:04:23,619 --> 04:04:26,190
friends on his death.

7746
04:04:28,992 --> 04:04:29,526
Like all of us he was and is on

7747
04:04:29,526 --> 04:04:31,526
a sacred journey.

7748
04:04:34,197 --> 04:04:34,798
Peace be with you Tim.

7749
04:04:34,798 --> 04:04:35,131
Next council member Van

7750
04:04:35,131 --> 04:04:37,131
Wilpert.

7751
04:04:38,468 --> 04:04:38,768
Thank you for sharing your

7752
04:04:38,768 --> 04:04:40,768
words.

7753
04:04:43,406 --> 04:04:44,273
And then on to the next.

7754
04:04:44,273 --> 04:04:47,873
I notice today that all of

7755
04:04:48,440 --> 04:04:48,745
the agenda items were missing

7756
04:04:48,745 --> 04:04:51,745
in reference to committee It

7757
04:04:53,830 --> 04:04:53,650
happening at a committee and

7758
04:04:53,650 --> 04:04:56,650
there was no name for

7759
04:04:58,387 --> 04:04:58,687
presenters and attorney and so

7760
04:04:58,687 --> 04:04:59,355
forth.

7761
04:04:59,355 --> 04:04:59,955
So is that going to be

7762
04:04:59,955 --> 04:05:02,355
permanent because all of

7763
04:05:03,259 --> 04:05:04,600
the agenda items were like that

7764
04:05:04,600 --> 04:05:07,600
and it didn't feel good

7765
04:05:08,640 --> 04:05:11,664
The next is one minute allowed

7766
04:05:13,303 --> 04:05:14,370
on going to be a stringent rule

7767
04:05:14,370 --> 04:05:17,673
now ten And if so is it based

7768
04:05:17,673 --> 04:05:20,730
on group presentations because

7769
04:05:20,977 --> 04:05:21,778
the group presentations are

7770
04:05:21,778 --> 04:05:25,378
only allowed one minute each So

7771
04:05:25,715 --> 04:05:26,820
one minute feels very

7772
04:05:26,820 --> 04:05:26,816
stringent.

7773
04:05:26,816 --> 04:05:27,584
And if you could just clarify

7774
04:05:27,584 --> 04:05:30,253
that I don't remember reading

7775
04:05:30,253 --> 04:05:30,686
that on the Seminole seven

7776
04:05:30,686 --> 04:05:32,686
presentations.

7777
04:05:36,159 --> 04:05:39,159
So actually present with Carver

7778
04:05:40,163 --> 04:05:40,797
I want to congratulate you on

7779
04:05:40,797 --> 04:05:41,497
something and also Council

7780
04:05:41,497 --> 04:05:44,497
member Campbell but it started

7781
04:05:45,435 --> 04:05:49,350
with you You tend to really

7782
04:05:50,240 --> 04:05:50,640
engage the public when it's

7783
04:05:50,640 --> 04:05:51,407
appropriate.

7784
04:05:51,407 --> 04:05:55,378
And I just want you to know how

7785
04:05:55,378 --> 04:05:56,790
much I appreciate that you

7786
04:05:56,790 --> 04:05:59,790
corrected me or not corrected

7787
04:05:59,949 --> 04:06:00,583
but clarified me on the Jenny

7788
04:06:00,583 --> 04:06:03,583
Care program item And that

7789
04:06:04,321 --> 04:06:05,880
meant a lot to me And I noticed

7790
04:06:05,880 --> 04:06:09,288
that you do it in various ways

7791
04:06:09,459 --> 04:06:09,893
with the public And so I

7792
04:06:09,893 --> 04:06:10,627
mentioned it.

7793
04:06:10,627 --> 04:06:14,227
It comes to council member DR.

7794
04:06:14,798 --> 04:06:15,499
Campbell Community and I'm

7795
04:06:15,499 --> 04:06:16,199
sorry your time has concluded

7796
04:06:16,199 --> 04:06:18,135
Blair Beckman and then Barbara

7797
04:06:18,135 --> 04:06:21,135
Gordon your final speaker Blair

7798
04:06:23,340 --> 04:06:23,874
Beckman Please proceed.

7799
04:06:23,874 --> 04:06:24,574
>> All right.

7800
04:06:24,574 --> 04:06:27,574
The zoom timer isn't working.

7801
04:06:27,978 --> 04:06:28,744
My my zoom MAY cut out.

7802
04:06:28,744 --> 04:06:29,412
Sorry If it does, we simply

7803
04:06:29,412 --> 04:06:29,947
should be continuing ongoing

7804
04:06:29,947 --> 04:06:31,947
community dialog and

7805
04:06:34,184 --> 04:06:34,918
conversation and how to

7806
04:06:34,918 --> 04:06:35,485
formally leave the vendor flock

7807
04:06:35,485 --> 04:06:38,122
and look for a better

7808
04:06:38,122 --> 04:06:38,789
principles vendor Can we also

7809
04:06:38,789 --> 04:06:42,389
simply give up the pr vendor

7810
04:06:42,693 --> 04:06:43,360
process altogether at this time

7811
04:06:43,360 --> 04:06:44,270
and for the sd community to

7812
04:06:44,270 --> 04:06:44,461
work out new data collection

7813
04:06:44,461 --> 04:06:46,461
arrangements?

7814
04:06:47,931 --> 04:06:48,665
If you think you're

7815
04:06:48,665 --> 04:06:49,366
the eventual owners of the most

7816
04:06:49,366 --> 04:06:51,766
recent large copier placement

7817
04:06:52,235 --> 04:06:52,936
in San Diego neighborhoods I've

7818
04:06:52,936 --> 04:06:53,603
been describing for months now

7819
04:06:53,603 --> 04:06:54,404
how both the city of Oakland

7820
04:06:54,404 --> 04:06:56,873
and Kent County of Alameda are

7821
04:06:56,873 --> 04:06:57,608
currently developing an 18

7822
04:06:57,608 --> 04:07:00,608
month process of full community

7823
04:07:02,479 --> 04:07:03,347
input to discuss best practices

7824
04:07:03,347 --> 04:07:03,980
and leaving plug and for a new

7825
04:07:03,980 --> 04:07:06,380
better principal they hope

7826
04:07:06,483 --> 04:07:07,117
vendor This is simply a good

7827
04:07:07,117 --> 04:07:07,818
beginning Model San Diego

7828
04:07:07,818 --> 04:07:08,618
should be referred to at this

7829
04:07:08,618 --> 04:07:11,655
time and as we are learning to

7830
04:07:11,655 --> 04:07:12,356
better question how data

7831
04:07:12,356 --> 04:07:12,989
companies like Fox seem to be

7832
04:07:12,989 --> 04:07:13,557
overly developing its data

7833
04:07:13,557 --> 04:07:15,957
within the context of

7834
04:07:16,360 --> 04:07:17,610
supporting international

7835
04:07:17,610 --> 04:07:17,728
policies of continual war and

7836
04:07:17,728 --> 04:07:20,128
more openly addressing Floc

7837
04:07:21,264 --> 04:07:21,899
over the next few months.

7838
04:07:21,899 --> 04:07:22,632
San Diego should also be

7839
04:07:22,632 --> 04:07:25,632
working towards a yearly review

7840
04:07:26,403 --> 04:07:27,300
process in a small reduction of

7841
04:07:27,300 --> 04:07:27,671
unnecessary or redundant

7842
04:07:27,671 --> 04:07:29,671
surveillance technology and

7843
04:07:30,608 --> 04:07:31,141
annual pr use within local San

7844
04:07:31,141 --> 04:07:31,909
Diego neighborhoods.

7845
04:07:31,909 --> 04:07:32,609
In theory this will not overly

7846
04:07:32,609 --> 04:07:35,713
limit or take much away from

7847
04:07:35,713 --> 04:07:36,413
the use of surveillance

7848
04:07:36,413 --> 04:07:37,470
technology within current San

7849
04:07:37,470 --> 04:07:37,647
Diego neighborhood public

7850
04:07:37,647 --> 04:07:40,470
safety concerns and yet

7851
04:07:40,617 --> 04:07:41,351
continue the efforts towards

7852
04:07:41,351 --> 04:07:41,919
more clear, consistent ideas of

7853
04:07:41,919 --> 04:07:43,919
better principled tech

7854
04:07:45,856 --> 04:07:46,557
practices and oversight.

7855
04:07:46,557 --> 04:07:47,123
I'm trying to develop this

7856
04:07:47,123 --> 04:07:47,824
public comment towards

7857
04:07:47,824 --> 04:07:49,824
consensus building compromise

7858
04:07:50,861 --> 04:07:51,228
and good logic for everyone in

7859
04:07:51,228 --> 04:07:51,929
San Diego.

7860
04:07:51,929 --> 04:07:52,629
A final reminder that it's my

7861
04:07:52,629 --> 04:07:55,290
understanding that former San

7862
04:07:56,330 --> 04:07:56,767
Diego councilperson Monica

7863
04:07:56,767 --> 04:07:57,501
Montgomery Step has always felt

7864
04:07:57,501 --> 04:08:01,101
that the numbers of new airport

7865
04:08:01,472 --> 04:08:02,139
purchases for San Diego,

7866
04:08:02,139 --> 04:08:02,840
the recent airport purchases

7867
04:08:02,840 --> 04:08:05,840
for San Diego neighborhoods a

7868
04:08:06,577 --> 04:08:06,977
few years ago could eventually

7869
04:08:06,977 --> 04:08:07,812
be reduced.

7870
04:08:07,812 --> 04:08:08,512
And to conclude, I beg of

7871
04:08:08,512 --> 04:08:11,512
yourselves to have more open

7872
04:08:11,648 --> 04:08:12,249
accountable for community

7873
04:08:12,249 --> 04:08:12,983
conversations about both

7874
04:08:12,983 --> 04:08:15,983
the current spoken and unspoken

7875
04:08:16,687 --> 04:08:17,488
procedures and guidelines

7876
04:08:17,488 --> 04:08:18,289
within the future of aopa for

7877
04:08:18,289 --> 04:08:22,489
use in real time in San Diego.

7878
04:08:22,493 --> 04:08:22,893
Thanks for your time meeting

7879
04:08:22,893 --> 04:08:23,594
today guys.

7880
04:08:23,594 --> 04:08:23,960
>> Talk to you tomorrow.

7881
04:08:23,960 --> 04:08:24,328
Thank you.

7882
04:08:24,328 --> 04:08:25,129
Thank you.

7883
04:08:25,129 --> 04:08:26,930
And Barbara Gordon, our final

7884
04:08:26,930 --> 04:08:27,431
speaker.

7885
04:08:27,431 --> 04:08:28,198
>> Good evening.

7886
04:08:28,198 --> 04:08:31,798
As a public health advocate I

7887
04:08:32,636 --> 04:08:33,303
am here today to encourage

7888
04:08:33,303 --> 04:08:33,938
the city to send a letter of

7889
04:08:33,938 --> 04:08:36,338
support for Senator Blake

7890
04:08:37,875 --> 04:08:38,608
Spears Senate bill 926 which

7891
04:08:38,608 --> 04:08:41,608
addresses the growing misuse of

7892
04:08:43,515 --> 04:08:44,147
nitric oxide while preserving

7893
04:08:44,147 --> 04:08:46,547
the access for legitimate

7894
04:08:48,319 --> 04:08:48,919
medical dental and culinary

7895
04:08:48,919 --> 04:08:50,919
uses across California.

7896
04:08:53,224 --> 04:08:53,858
The recreational misuse of

7897
04:08:53,858 --> 04:08:54,492
nitric oxide has become an

7898
04:08:54,492 --> 04:08:54,792
increasingly public health

7899
04:08:54,792 --> 04:08:56,792
issue.

7900
04:08:58,962 --> 04:08:59,663
The widespread availability of

7901
04:08:59,663 --> 04:09:02,630
these large capacity canisters

7902
04:09:04,268 --> 04:09:04,969
and products marketed for

7903
04:09:04,969 --> 04:09:05,602
inhalation has contributed to

7904
04:09:05,602 --> 04:09:08,602
the rising rate of misuse.

7905
04:09:10,730 --> 04:09:10,741
Particular among our

7906
04:09:10,741 --> 04:09:11,442
adolescents and young adults

7907
04:09:11,442 --> 04:09:14,442
repeated exposure to this gas

7908
04:09:15,713 --> 04:09:18,113
can cause serious neurological

7909
04:09:20,885 --> 04:09:21,185
injury and cognitive impairment

7910
04:09:21,185 --> 04:09:22,153
.

7911
04:09:22,153 --> 04:09:24,553
Sb 926 focused on strengthening

7912
04:09:26,891 --> 04:09:27,525
the safeguards around the sale

7913
04:09:27,525 --> 04:09:27,892
and distribution of these

7914
04:09:27,892 --> 04:09:29,892
products.

7915
04:09:31,362 --> 04:09:31,929
The bill helps prohibit

7916
04:09:31,929 --> 04:09:32,630
avoidable harms while

7917
04:09:32,630 --> 04:09:34,630
supporting responsible retail

7918
04:09:37,702 --> 04:09:38,369
use at protecting the health

7919
04:09:38,369 --> 04:09:38,969
care providers, food service

7920
04:09:38,969 --> 04:09:40,969
professionals and other

7921
04:09:43,107 --> 04:09:43,775
legitimate uses.

7922
04:09:43,775 --> 04:09:44,442
Preventing substance misuse

7923
04:09:44,442 --> 04:09:46,842
requires a proactive ballot

7924
04:09:48,545 --> 04:09:48,946
policy that prioritizes health

7925
04:09:48,946 --> 04:09:49,613
and safety.

7926
04:09:49,613 --> 04:09:52,130
This bill will address

7927
04:09:53,784 --> 04:09:54,452
the emerging public health

7928
04:09:54,452 --> 04:09:56,852
concerns before its results

7929
04:09:59,157 --> 04:09:59,524
Even greater harm to our

7930
04:09:59,524 --> 04:10:00,124
community.

7931
04:10:00,124 --> 04:10:02,524
I respectfully urge your

7932
04:10:03,761 --> 04:10:04,462
support for sb 96.

7933
04:10:04,462 --> 04:10:06,862
This legislation represents a

7934
04:10:09,233 --> 04:10:09,934
meaningful opportunity to care

7935
04:10:09,934 --> 04:10:12,334
for vulnerable populations and

7936
04:10:14,906 --> 04:10:15,639
the potential misuse against.

7937
04:10:15,639 --> 04:10:16,307
Thank you for your leadership

7938
04:10:16,307 --> 04:10:16,974
in advancing these policies

7939
04:10:16,974 --> 04:10:19,974
that improve the health and

7940
04:10:20,644 --> 04:10:21,145
well-being of all San Diegans

7941
04:10:21,145 --> 04:10:21,879
and Californians.

7942
04:10:21,879 --> 04:10:25,479
Thank you for letting me speak.

7943
04:10:26,751 --> 04:10:27,518
Thank you.

7944
04:10:27,518 --> 04:10:28,152
That does conclude my agenda.

7945
04:10:28,152 --> 04:10:28,486
Public comment for today's

7946
04:10:28,486 --> 04:10:29,220
meeting.

7947
04:10:29,220 --> 04:10:29,520
Thank you Council PRESIDENT All

7948
04:10:29,520 --> 04:10:30,121
right.

7949
04:10:30,121 --> 04:10:32,823
Thank you to the clerk.

7950
04:10:32,823 --> 04:10:33,558
We will now adjourn Council to

7951
04:10:33,558 --> 04:10:34,259
the regularly scheduled council

7952
04:10:34,259 --> 04:10:37,259
meeting on Tuesday But before

7953
04:10:38,129 --> 04:10:38,863
we adjourned the city attorney

7954
04:10:38,863 --> 04:10:42,463
have anything to report out in

7955
04:10:43,668 --> 04:10:44,335
closed session?

7956
04:10:44,335 --> 04:10:44,702
>> Thank you, Council

7957
04:10:44,702 --> 04:10:45,403
PRESIDENT.

7958
04:10:45,403 --> 04:10:45,936
There is nothing to report out

7959
04:10:45,936 --> 04:10:46,303
from closed session.

7960
04:10:46,303 --> 04:10:48,303
All right.

7961
04:10:49,507 --> 04:10:50,174
It's important to make that

7962
04:10:50,174 --> 04:10:50,674
statement though We will now

7963
04:10:50,674 --> 04:10:51,409
adjourn Council to

7964
04:10:51,409 --> 04:10:52,810
the regularly scheduled council

7965
04:10:52,810 --> 04:10:55,810
meeting on Tuesday JULY 7th,