[2:21] and
[4:21] go
[4:25] All right, good morning.
[4:25] >> I will now call the special
[4:29] City Council meeting on Monday
[4:30] JULY 13th, 2026 to order Clerk
[4:31] Please call the roll
[4:34] The Council PRESIDENT Council
[4:35] Member Campbell here Council
[4:36] Member Whitburn Council Member
[4:40] Foster Council Member Ron
[4:40] Wolper Present Council
[4:45] PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee here
[4:45] Council Member Campion here
[4:46] Council Member Moreno Council
[4:49] Member Ella Rivera and Council
[4:50] PRESIDENT LaCava present also
[4:53] attending the meeting are City
[4:54] Attorney Heather Ferber,
[4:55] independent budget analyst
[4:55] Charles Monica and myself.
[4:59] Your city clerk Diana Fuentes.
[4:59] Thank you.
[5:00] Council PRESIDENT All right,
[5:00] thank you.
[5:01] City Clerk Quorum is now
[5:03] present.
[5:03] We will begin this morning with
[5:04] an invocation by Clark 20th
[5:05] followed with the land
[5:07] acknowledging and the Pledge of
[5:08] Allegiance led by council
[5:12] member Whitburn Grant those who
[5:13] hold office in this city
[5:17] the spirit of wisdom, charity
[5:18] and justice that was steadfast
[5:19] purpose They MAY faithfully
[5:22] serve in their offices to
[5:23] promote the well-being of all
[5:27] people.
[5:27] We respectfully acknowledge
[5:28] that the combination or
[5:28] the original inhabitants of
[5:33] the unseated land out of
[5:34] the San Diego despite enduring
[5:34] the horrors of genocide and
[5:37] call it as said the Kobe spirit
[5:37] remains unbroken.
[5:38] We are the resilience of their
[5:42] ancestors who fight to protect
[5:42] their culture and land today
[5:43] They carry their legacy forward
[5:44] ensuring that their traditions
[5:47] continue to thrive and
[5:48] gratitude and strength We stand
[5:48] with the nation connected to
[5:52] our past and committed to a
[5:52] thriving future.
[5:57] Please raise the flag ready
[5:58] again for the flag of
[6:01] the United States of America
[6:02] and to the Republic for which
[6:06] it stands One nation under GOD,
[6:07] indivisible with liberty and
[6:11] justice for all Without City
[6:16] Clerk please go over how
[6:17] the public can offer their
[6:17] testimony.
[6:17] >> Thank you.
[6:18] Council PRESIDENT I'd like to
[6:19] highlight the site on
[6:21] the screen that reviews how
[6:21] the public can offer their
[6:22] public testimony during today's
[6:22] meeting.
[6:23] If you are in person please
[6:26] complete the speaker slip
[6:26] located at the entrance of
[6:27] chambers and bring it to
[6:28] the front of the room For those
[6:30] that have submitted we do not
[6:31] have any organized presentation
[6:32] submitted for the closed
[6:35] session agenda this morning.
[6:36] No further in-person testimony
[6:36] will be taken once the Council
[6:40] begins virtual testimony for
[6:41] better meeting management
[6:41] purposes each speaker will have
[6:42] one minute per item per person
[6:45] up to a maximum of three
[6:45] minutes if there are three or
[6:46] more items.
[6:46] Thank you.
[6:50] Council PRESIDENT All right.
[6:50] Thank you for that.
[6:51] And as a reminder when you're
[6:52] speaking to items on
[6:55] the agenda, please focus your
[6:55] comments on that item not
[6:56] agenda public comments where
[6:59] you can speak more freely
[7:00] anything under the city's
[7:00] purview.
[7:01] So with that clerk please read
[7:04] the closed session items into
[7:05] the record.
[7:05] Thank you.
[7:06] Council PRESIDENT Conferences
[7:06] Legal Counsel Existing
[7:09] litigation pursuant to
[7:09] California Government Code
[7:13] Section 5495 6.91 is scs1 Sara
[7:14] Hazelwood versus Board of
[7:17] Trustees of the Cal State
[7:18] University at all and c.
[7:22] S three JANUARY 22nd 2024
[7:22] Flooding Litigation Conference
[7:23] with Legal Counsel Anticipated
[7:26] litigation Initiation of
[7:27] litigation pursuant to
[7:30] California Government Code
[7:30] Section 54956.9 d for sc As for
[7:35] number of cases one.
[7:36] Conference with Legal Counsel
[7:36] Existing litigation pursuant to
[7:39] California Government Code
[7:40] Section 5495 6.91 c as United
[7:44] States of America versus City
[7:44] of San Diego sc a six Condon
[7:51] Johnson and Associates Inc at
[7:52] all versus Flat Iron West at
[7:52] all and c.
[7:53] S seven Toia Hisor Welch versus
[7:53] City of San Diego.
[7:57] Thank you Council PRESIDENT All
[7:57] right.
[7:57] >> Thank you.
[7:58] All right.
[7:58] Thank you.
[7:59] And with that please proceed
[7:59] with public comment.
[8:02] We have Maximilian Schmidt here
[8:03] in Council chambers.
[8:03] If you can please come up to
[8:04] the microphone.
[8:06] You will have three minutes.
[8:15] You're speaking on all of them
[8:20] All.
[8:21] Hi.
[8:22] I wanted to say that I am a
[8:25] human rights activist and also
[8:26] a government dissident so I
[8:30] wanted to apologize if my First
[8:31] Amendment comes off as direct
[8:35] on the United States District
[8:35] Court.
[8:39] District court is hearing this
[8:40] case about Americans with
[8:44] disabilities and sdsu And I
[8:45] honestly believe that in my
[8:50] opinion and with my First
[8:50] Amendment right the United
[8:54] States District Court should
[8:59] suspend hearing this on until
[9:04] until should not hear any more
[9:04] trials until a state of
[9:08] emergency a discussion item is
[9:09] created and heard on and also a
[9:14] public service announcement is
[9:15] made concerning the efficacy of
[9:15] the court group rituals to read
[9:18] someone's mind because people
[9:19] are getting harassed and
[9:20] becoming confused and driven to
[9:23] madness across the world
[9:24] playing big problems.
[9:25] >> That's my opinion on that
[9:32] case For the 57 flooding cases
[9:33] where the city of San Diego is
[9:38] getting sued concerned in
[9:38] the rainstorms that happened on
[9:43] on JANUARY 22nd 24 on with my
[9:48] First Amendment right and in my
[9:49] personal opinion I honestly
[9:52] believe that the city of San
[9:57] Diego should put all lawsuits
[9:57] on hold until a simple public
[10:01] service announcement State of
[10:02] emergency and agenda item is
[10:07] created and heard on talking
[10:07] about how the efficacy of
[10:08] the code group rituals to read
[10:11] people's mind because people
[10:12] are being severely harassed and
[10:12] confused and driven to madness
[10:16] And I believe there's confusion
[10:17] and priorities And for the case
[10:21] of the United States of America
[10:22] versus the city of San Diego,
[10:25] I'm in the Navy lawsuit about
[10:30] the Nazi boat channel on I
[10:31] honestly believe with my First
[10:36] Amendment that this is a trial
[10:36] being heard by the United
[10:37] States District Court.
[10:41] I honestly think as a citizen
[10:45] of San Diego who's witnessed
[10:46] the severity of the elephant in
[10:50] the room that the United States
[10:51] District Court should pause
[10:55] hearing trials until a public
[10:56] service announcement, state of
[11:01] emergency and on discussion
[11:01] agenda item is heard and
[11:02] created about the efficacy of
[11:06] the culture rituals to read
[11:06] people's mind because people
[11:11] are getting harassed and
[11:11] confused and German to madness
[11:12] in every city across the world
[11:13] including San Diego And I
[11:16] believe that on this could even
[11:16] be trying to cover that up in a
[11:22] way because this is such a big
[11:22] issue that's going on in
[11:23] the world.
[11:23] >> Thank you for that
[11:24] concluding statement.
[11:25] I'm sorry of the five minute
[11:26] time we're going to those
[11:27] participating remotely starting
[11:28] with 8700 if you can please.
[11:30] And mute and let me know which
[11:31] item or items you wish to speak
[11:35] to Item one, three, five and
[11:36] seven please.
[11:39] You'll have three minutes.
[11:40] >> Please proceed.
[11:45] Number one alleged violation of
[11:46] ada sidewalks, crosswalks and
[11:50] roadways are dangerous for all
[11:51] of us yet the disabled are
[11:56] the most vulnerable Yet our
[11:56] city has a structural budget
[12:00] deficit that is over 20 years
[12:01] ongoing.
[12:05] You too are vulnerable.
[12:06] Where is the money going to
[12:11] come from to help keep our
[12:12] young people safe and so they
[12:17] too can enjoy our beautiful
[12:17] city.
[12:18] Number three the perfect storm
[12:22] flooding The evidence against
[12:23] the city is strong yet I call
[12:28] it a natural disaster Nature
[12:33] versus people to settle this
[12:34] you must show that you care.
[12:39] Use the spirit of the law and
[12:40] seek the balance of give and
[12:40] take on both sides.
[12:46] Number five and the city I read
[12:50] the gov info on this matter.
[12:50] It's about 16 pages of history.
[12:56] It seems like a long playing
[12:56] chess game to me.
[13:01] The a the memorandum of excuse
[13:02] me the memo a of a memorandum
[13:06] of agreement seems to be
[13:06] the strongest support for
[13:11] the city.
[13:12] The Navy says it cost them 16
[13:13] million to do the work on
[13:17] the channel.
[13:17] My direction is to keep
[13:22] fighting and I pray I pray
[13:23] the city has the better legal
[13:23] team.
[13:27] Number seven correcting
[13:28] delinquent parking tickets.
[13:33] I am concerned about this case
[13:34] if it relates to a
[13:39] Union-Tribune article I read
[13:40] not long ago could it mushroom
[13:44] into many other cases?
[13:45] It seems that the letter of
[13:49] the law will prevail on this
[13:49] one.
[13:50] Blessings on all of these cases
[13:56] of a beautiful day and love to
[13:57] all.
[13:57] >> Thank you.
[13:58] Next is Blair Beekman.
[14:02] If you can please unmute and
[14:02] let me know which item or items
[14:03] you wish to speak to.
[14:06] >> I Blair Beekman Items one
[14:11] three, five and seven Please
[14:11] proceed.
[14:12] >> You have two minutes.
[14:12] Thank you.
[14:20] I Blair be happy Monday for
[14:27] the first item is about actions
[14:28] of a person trying to use or
[14:33] using disabilities Act asking
[14:33] about sidewalks, crosswalks and
[14:34] roadways in a city in San Diego
[14:39] State area If tech
[14:40] accountability can be any help
[14:44] to help mediate the situation
[14:45] or what the future of
[14:46] the situation can be about.
[14:51] And good luck in that effort.
[14:52] Tech MAY be around this item
[14:52] and the policies of tech
[14:57] accountability MAY be can be of
[14:58] help in some small way in
[14:58] helping decide and understand
[14:59] this issue better.
[15:03] Good luck in such efforts for
[15:04] item number three including
[15:09] litigation and good luck in
[15:09] working this out together
[15:15] acknowledging city's faults in
[15:15] concept and trying to mediate a
[15:16] middle ground between
[15:16] everybody.
[15:21] Good luck in that effort.
[15:26] But he said events for I see
[15:31] five process five this this is
[15:32] the Department of Navy and know
[15:37] argument with the city of San
[15:38] Diego that joy really described
[15:42] well thank you for her
[15:42] description and her ideas and
[15:49] feelings on the matter and yeah
[15:50] economy it seems clear to me
[15:50] this is an old argument
[15:54] actually is the port of San
[15:55] Diego involved with this
[15:56] The Port Authority of San Diego
[16:00] whatever their name is, are
[16:01] they involved with this also to
[16:06] help mediate the process?
[16:06] It seems like hopefully
[16:07] something can eventually be
[16:08] resolved with this And good
[16:12] luck in the process of doing
[16:13] that.
[16:13] I don't know the depth of
[16:14] the issue and working these
[16:18] things out are important.
[16:18] Good luck and finding the way
[16:19] to do that.
[16:19] Possibly the Port Authority can
[16:25] be of help to the committee and
[16:25] and and yeah there's new Port
[16:30] Authority staff good luck in
[16:31] that sort of effort with who
[16:33] used to work for the city by
[16:38] the way so that can be helpful
[16:45] for number seven item working
[16:46] on delinquent parking tickets
[16:46] Good luck on trying to practice
[16:52] concepts of equity with with
[16:52] the sort of parking ticket
[16:53] items finding new forms of good
[16:57] equity practices The work we've
[16:57] done with towing in
[16:58] the downtown area of San Diego
[17:04] and an overall you've done
[17:04] really good work with that.
[17:05] Thank you.
[17:05] And that I think could be a
[17:11] good model for an item such as
[17:11] this and future parking issues,
[17:12] the parking ticket issues
[17:12] overall.
[17:16] So good luck with this item.
[17:17] >> Thank you.
[17:17] Thank you.
[17:18] That does include public
[17:18] comment and closed session.
[17:19] All right.
[17:21] Thank you City clerk now we
[17:22] will adjourn as the city
[17:22] council to convene for a
[17:23] special housing authority
[17:24] meeting to take public comment
[17:27] on the housing authority closed
[17:28] session item or please read
[17:28] the Housing Authority closed
[17:29] session item into the record.
[17:33] Thank you.
[17:33] Council PRESIDENT Corporate
[17:34] Legal Counsel Anticipated
[17:35] Litigation Initiation of
[17:35] litigation between California
[17:39] Government Code Section 5495
[17:39] 6.94 Special Housing Authority
[17:44] Closed Session one at number of
[17:44] cases one All right Without for
[17:49] you Excuse me.
[17:50] Proceed with public comment.
[17:51] Maximillian Schmidt, if you can
[17:51] please come forward.
[17:54] You'll have one minute to speak
[18:06] on this one item on Hi again.
[18:07] I want to say that I'm a human
[18:07] rights activist and
[18:08] self-proclaimed government
[18:11] dissident so my approach MAY
[18:17] seem unorthodox but I honestly
[18:18] believe with my First Amendment
[18:19] and in my opinion that
[18:22] the housing authority on should
[18:29] suspend hearing any any cases
[18:29] until a public service
[18:30] announcement State of emergency
[18:35] and agenda discussion item is
[18:35] created and heard concerning
[18:36] the efficacy of the core group
[18:37] rituals to read people's mind
[18:40] because people are getting
[18:41] confused and being even driven
[18:41] to insanity in every city
[18:46] across the world And we need to
[18:47] help save human life and souls
[18:52] and on That's all I have to say
[18:58] concerning that And again I am
[18:59] a human rights activist and I'm
[18:59] going to press for this
[19:05] discussion Item two on Be heard
[19:05] at City Hall.
[19:06] >> Thank you for the five
[19:06] minute time we're going to
[19:11] those participating remotely in
[19:11] 700 If you can please unmute
[19:12] You'll have one minute.
[19:16] >> Please proceed.
[19:17] Thank you so much.
[19:18] I know that you're following
[19:24] the Brown Act on that and I
[19:24] really appreciate the Brown Act
[19:25] and how that works for our city
[19:30] government.
[19:31] So I just wanted to say that I
[19:32] don't and I don't say this
[19:35] lightly MAY the force be with
[19:36] you blessings on this process
[19:41] of decision making.
[19:42] I don't know what's involved
[19:43] but I just have sort of an
[19:48] unsettled feeling inside of me
[19:49] And I hope I hope that there's
[19:49] a need to be there.
[19:54] So again, blessings on this and
[19:55] I appreciate all of your work
[19:59] you very much pulling in all of
[20:00] you.
[20:00] These are Office of the City
[20:01] attorney.
[20:01] Thank you so much for your
[20:02] work.
[20:05] You're right.
[20:06] There are silent heroes all
[20:06] the time.
[20:10] So thank you so much to all.
[20:11] >> Thank you.
[20:11] That does conclude public
[20:12] comment on closed session.
[20:12] All right.
[20:13] Thank you, city clerk And we
[20:17] will now adjourn as the housing
[20:18] authority and reconvene as
[20:18] the city council.
[20:19] We will now recess in session
[20:21] and reconvene council today at
[23:02] the I'm Manuel Pereira.
[23:07] >> I have only muted you if you
[23:13] can do a quick mic check them.
[23:14] Yes we can hear you okay Thank
[25:15] you so much
[27:00] And that
[27:00] just so people
[27:01] wondering what's going on in
[27:01] the morning session that
[27:05] normally interview ended at 145
[27:10] also the reason some of my
[27:11] colleagues have not shown up
[27:14] yet and because the first thing
[27:14] we're going to do is we're
[27:15] going to hear potential
[27:16] candidates for appointment to
[27:16] the Commission on Police
[27:20] Practices.
[27:21] I think it's a courtesy for us
[27:22] to wait until the council
[27:22] members as possible connection
[27:27] with your posting.
[27:28] So that's one reason I haven't
[27:28] started the meeting even though
[28:54] we've got important So okay
[28:55] .
[30:04] And
[31:26] then and
[31:27] All right, thank
[31:27] you everyone for your patience.
[31:28] >> Good afternoon.
[31:32] I will now reconvene
[31:33] the special City Council
[31:33] meeting on Monday JULY 13th,
[31:34] 2026.
[31:38] Please call the roll.
[31:39] I'm sorry.
[31:39] Thank you.
[31:40] Council PRESIDENT Council
[31:46] member Campbell Council Member
[31:46] Whitburn, Councilmember Foster
[31:50] and Councilmember Bunuel for
[31:51] Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee
[31:52] Council Member campeon
[31:57] Councilmember Moreno,
[31:58] Councilmember Isla Rivera and
[31:59] Council PRESIDENT McGovern also
[31:59] attending the meeting our
[32:03] assistant city Attorney Leslie
[32:04] Fitzgerald, independent budget
[32:04] analyst Charles Monica and
[32:05] myself your city clerk Diana
[32:05] Fuentes.
[32:06] Thank you.
[32:09] Council PRESIDENT.
[32:10] All right.
[32:10] Real quickly, are there any
[32:11] comments from the mayor's
[32:12] office, council member, city
[32:15] attorney and the budget analyst
[32:16] city clerk not seeing any one
[32:16] move along So the clerk will
[32:21] now go over how the public can
[32:22] offer their testimony this
[32:22] afternoon.
[32:23] Thank you.
[32:23] I'd like to highlight the slide
[32:28] on the screen that does review
[32:29] how the public know for their
[32:29] public testimony during this
[32:30] afternoon's meeting The order
[32:31] can be found on the agenda
[32:33] Summary found online or at
[32:34] the table in the back of
[32:34] the room.
[32:35] If you are in person please
[32:36] complete the speaker So look it
[32:39] at the entrance of chambers and
[32:39] bring it to the front of
[32:40] the room.
[32:40] Council ambassadors are
[32:41] available near the entrance of
[32:42] chambers and can assist with
[32:45] questions and speaker slips.
[32:45] No further in-person testimony
[32:46] will be taken once the council
[32:50] begins virtual testimony and I
[32:51] would like to note that we did
[32:52] not receive any organized
[32:52] presentation for any of
[32:53] the items on this afternoon's
[32:57] agenda.
[32:58] Thank you Council PRESIDENT All
[32:58] right.
[32:59] Thank you.
[32:59] And as a reminder when you're
[33:00] speaking to an item on
[33:01] the agenda, please focus your
[33:03] attention on that agenda item
[33:04] and we will have an agenda
[33:04] public comment at the end of
[33:10] this afternoon session.
[33:10] So with that.
[33:11] Clerk please introduce item 601
[33:11] Thank you.
[33:14] Item six I wanted
[33:15] the consideration of
[33:16] appointments to the Commission
[33:16] on Police Practices.
[33:17] This item is not subject to
[33:20] the Mayor's veto.
[33:20] >> All right.
[33:21] Thank you.
[33:22] So prior to taking public
[33:26] comment per council policy zero
[33:26] dash 13 we will hear from each
[33:31] candidate and each council
[33:32] member will have an opportunity
[33:32] to ask questions.
[33:33] Following that the city clerk
[33:38] will review the process for
[33:39] balloting prior to council
[33:39] members voting to fill
[33:40] the vacant seats.
[33:43] Candidates that are listed on
[33:44] the staff report for this item
[33:45] will be called up by the clerk
[33:50] by clerk printed by name and
[33:50] who will also name which
[33:51] categories they are a candidate
[33:51] for.
[33:56] We will now allow each
[33:56] candidate to make a two minute
[33:57] presentation regarding their
[33:57] nomination.
[34:01] Please proceed.
[34:02] Thank you.
[34:02] Council PRESIDENT We'll be
[34:03] taking the candidates in
[34:04] alphabetical order by first
[34:08] name and each candidate as
[34:08] mentioned will have two minutes
[34:09] which I will time And you can
[34:10] see on the timer there we will
[34:13] begin with candidate Arianna
[34:14] Dixit who has been nominated
[34:15] for the At-Large and Youth
[34:15] category seats.
[34:19] Please come up to the podium.
[34:20] You will have two minutes And
[34:21] just for meeting management if
[34:26] I can have it Crystal Van
[34:27] Francisco Peralta Vargas Hemant
[34:32] Kumar The Comptroller.
[34:32] James Tyrrell.
[34:33] Roland Martin Diego's Munoz
[34:39] Kelly Freshener Michael Allen
[34:39] Scott Rodriguez and Rashida
[34:40] Lamar.
[34:43] I mean it.
[34:44] Please all come up to the front
[34:45] row so that you can come up to
[34:49] the podium a little bit easier
[34:49] .
[34:50] >> You will have two minutes.
[34:51] Please proceed.
[34:51] Thank you.
[34:51] Good evening.
[34:56] My name is r Index and I am a
[34:57] student at uc San Diego as well
[35:01] as the resident of District one
[35:02] .
[35:03] I'm here tonight to ask you all
[35:03] for your appointment to
[35:07] the youth seat as well as
[35:08] the At-Large seat for
[35:09] the Commissioner of Police
[35:13] practices Mainly because right
[35:14] now in the past couple of years
[35:15] I've been a part of various
[35:15] organizations supporting civil
[35:19] liberties and police
[35:20] accountability in San Diego.
[35:20] In the past I was on the Police
[35:25] Accountability Board for the uc
[35:26] San Diego Police Department
[35:27] where I used to perform many of
[35:27] the same kinds of activities
[35:31] that the commission does.
[35:32] I mentioned intending to
[35:32] represent youth from diverse
[35:37] and marginalized populations
[35:38] from the city as best as I can
[35:39] because I am also the PRESIDENT
[35:43] And co-founder of the Student
[35:44] Civil Liberties Union that
[35:45] focuses work in District one,
[35:49] three, eight and nine
[35:49] respectively.
[35:50] Furthermore, I have a proven
[35:50] track record with engaging
[35:55] youth in order to get them to
[35:56] care about and also work with
[35:56] institutions such as the police
[35:57] and also understand hold police
[36:01] accountable.
[36:02] I've done so with youth groups,
[36:03] have done so with aapi groups
[36:03] through the Asian Pacific
[36:04] Theater Alliance in the city
[36:07] and through the sd api
[36:07] coalition.
[36:08] So I think right now in general
[36:13] I'm unpacking and trying to get
[36:13] this nomination mainly because
[36:14] I'm intending to bring a sense
[36:18] of greater accountability to
[36:19] the police system but also to
[36:20] ensure that the institutions
[36:20] that we have are following in
[36:25] line with what voters wanted
[36:26] when they voted on Measure b.
[36:26] I have also received
[36:31] the nomination from
[36:31] the Commission of Police
[36:32] Practice itself to get the seat
[36:33] for the youth youth appointment
[36:37] itself and I would really
[36:38] appreciate all of your
[36:38] consideration for this seat
[36:39] tonight.
[36:43] Thank you so much for your time
[36:43] .
[36:44] >> Thank you.
[36:44] Krystal Van if you can please
[36:45] come up to the podium.
[36:52] Crystal Van.
[36:53] >> All right.
[36:53] Next we will go to Francisco
[36:54] Peralta.
[36:58] I declare council PRESIDENT
[36:59] Council member Francisco
[37:04] Peralta.
[37:05] Reason why I'm here today is
[37:06] because I'm seeking your
[37:06] support to serve at
[37:07] the commission of police
[37:07] practices.
[37:10] I have lived in San Diego, my
[37:16] home for the past 26 years and
[37:17] I have seen my perspective.
[37:18] I lived in this report for
[37:18] seven years.
[37:23] I attended Memorial Academy
[37:23] District eight.
[37:24] I also attended San Diego high
[37:29] schools and your city college
[37:30] there earned a scholarship to
[37:35] attend uc San Diego where I
[37:36] landed and when I finished my
[37:37] bachelor's degree and later
[37:37] most importantly I had an
[37:41] opportunity and a privilege to
[37:42] work for the city of San Diego.
[37:43] I landed an opportunity to be a
[37:48] committed representative for
[37:48] Council District nine.
[37:49] I was representing City Heights
[37:53] neighborhoods and within
[37:54] anything I actually got to see
[37:55] a lot of the challenges that
[37:55] the city faces every day.
[37:56] It's complicated.
[38:00] I have a complicated job and
[38:00] you know, balancing the budget
[38:01] every year is very complicated.
[38:02] So I got to see and I got an
[38:06] opportunity to see what
[38:06] the what that looks like in
[38:07] real life every day.
[38:12] Like I mention at the beginning
[38:12] I hear seeking your support to
[38:13] serve in the commission.
[38:17] I think between my lived
[38:18] experience, between my
[38:19] professional experience I think
[38:23] I can be a good addition to
[38:24] the commission.
[38:25] >> So once again I hope I can
[38:25] get your support.
[38:26] Thanks so much.
[38:31] Thank you.
[38:32] Thank you.
[38:32] We'll now hear from Canada
[38:33] Command Kamar de Trawler who
[38:35] has been nominated for
[38:36] the Council District two and
[38:37] the At-Large category.
[38:37] Please come up to the podium.
[38:40] We'll have two minutes.
[38:41] >> Please proceed.
[38:41] Good afternoon.
[38:46] Member of City Council.
[38:47] My name is Herman Strada and I
[38:48] need to serve on the commission
[38:52] on Police practice.
[38:53] My role is to help and
[38:54] strengthen the trust between
[38:58] the community and the police
[38:59] department by providing
[38:59] independent oversight.
[39:05] Hungary's transparency and
[39:06] listening to community
[39:06] concerns.
[39:11] I lived in point Loma for 30
[39:11] years.
[39:12] I appreciate the opportunity to
[39:16] serve our city and I look
[39:17] forward to working
[39:18] collaboratively with the city
[39:18] council.
[39:22] The police department and our
[39:23] community to promote fairness,
[39:26] accountability and public
[39:27] trust.
[39:34] >> Thank you for your support.
[39:34] Thank you.
[39:35] We'll now hear from candidate
[39:36] James Tyrrell Overland who has
[39:40] been nominated for the low and
[39:40] moderate income category.
[39:41] Please come up to the podium.
[39:44] You'll have two minutes please.
[39:44] Thank you very much.
[39:51] My name is Jim Rowan and I've
[39:52] been a resident of San Diego
[39:52] since 2006.
[39:57] I have lived in Paradise Hills
[39:57] in southeast San Diego for all
[40:02] 20 of those years Work worked
[40:03] as a senior copywriter for
[40:03] various agencies and
[40:09] enterprises including the and
[40:10] of course We Are Indians.
[40:11] And during that time I was also
[40:11] involved in art and writing
[40:15] communities and served on
[40:15] the board of directors for San
[40:16] Diego Writers Inc and was a
[40:17] member of the Golden Vina Art
[40:20] Collective and Barrio Logan up
[40:21] until the pandemic shutdown.
[40:26] I consider myself to be service
[40:27] oriented, community minded and
[40:27] enthusiastic collaborator And
[40:33] why now is because I now work
[40:33] for myself full time and have
[40:34] you know my daughter recently
[40:38] graduated college so I have
[40:39] the opportunity to honor a full
[40:40] time commitment.
[40:44] I also want to mention I'm a
[40:45] veteran of the us Navy which is
[40:46] what brought me to San Diego in
[40:46] 1986.
[40:50] I served on the uss my accord
[40:51] when I was stationed at Naval
[40:51] Station and 32nd Street.
[40:56] My connection goes back even
[40:56] further to the 60s when my
[40:57] father was in the Swift Boat
[41:02] training in North Island before
[41:03] shipping out to Vietnam And at
[41:03] the risk of oversharing all
[41:08] that I was conceived in
[41:08] Imperial Beach.
[41:09] But during that time, you know
[41:13] in there I wander into too much
[41:14] information.
[41:14] >> Thank you.
[41:15] Thank you.
[41:21] We'll now hear from candidate
[41:21] Martin Gallegos Munoz who has
[41:23] been nominated for the council
[41:23] District eight and the at large
[41:24] category.
[41:28] Please come up to the podium.
[41:29] Has just one thing There was
[41:34] one news.
[41:35] Moving on we will hear from
[41:35] candidate Kelly Fresher who has
[41:40] been nominated for the at large
[41:40] and youth category.
[41:41] Please come to the podium.
[41:41] We'll have two minutes.
[41:45] Thank you very much.
[41:46] Good afternoon everyone.
[41:46] My name is Kelly Rusher.
[41:47] I am a graduate student at uc
[41:47] San Diego.
[41:51] I just finished my second year
[41:52] my first year going into my
[41:53] second year and obtaining a
[41:57] master's in public policy with
[41:57] an emphasis in inequality and
[41:58] social justice.
[41:59] After I graduate I plan to work
[42:03] with and for the police in
[42:03] creating initiatives and
[42:04] policies that emphasize both
[42:09] trust and communication by
[42:10] promoting respect and
[42:10] transparency between police,
[42:11] both police and civilians.
[42:15] Before coming to San Diego I
[42:15] received my undergraduate
[42:16] degree from uc Santa Barbara in
[42:21] sociology with an emphasis in
[42:21] policing.
[42:22] My research there consisted of
[42:26] watching videos pre body cam
[42:27] videos of police interactions
[42:27] between civilians and
[42:28] the police.
[42:33] And understanding the ways that
[42:34] interactions happen creating a
[42:34] playbook of policies and
[42:39] tendencies that police have
[42:39] when dealing with different
[42:40] groups of people.
[42:40] And I also read multiple
[42:46] transcriptions dealing with
[42:46] interviews between civilians
[42:47] sending complaints to Seattle
[42:51] pd and the responding in
[42:52] subsequent interviews that took
[42:53] place between the officers and
[42:57] those civilians.
[42:58] So I would love to have
[42:58] the position to be on this
[43:03] commission because although I
[43:04] have my research background I
[43:04] really want to be able to help
[43:09] the police and to be able to
[43:10] create a more trusting and
[43:10] respectful atmosphere between
[43:15] both police and civilians.
[43:16] And I think that being able to
[43:16] have this hands on experience
[43:17] would be very beneficial for
[43:17] me.
[43:21] I am also a resident of San
[43:22] Diego and I would love
[43:22] the opportunity to be able to
[43:23] participate more in
[43:27] the proceedings of this city.
[43:27] >> So thank you very much.
[43:28] Thank you.
[43:28] We will now hear from Michael
[43:34] Allen Michael Allen has been
[43:34] nominated for the At-Large
[43:35] category and please come up to
[43:38] the podium We'll have two
[43:39] minutes.
[43:39] Good afternoon.
[43:40] Thank you.
[43:40] Members of the city council for
[43:44] your time today as well as your
[43:45] consideration for my
[43:45] application.
[43:46] Over the past 20 years I've
[43:50] spent most of my time focused
[43:51] on building the current
[43:51] business.
[43:52] I've traveled all over
[43:53] the United States and built
[43:56] quite a few different places.
[43:56] And until I placed kind of
[44:01] roots here in San Diego, I
[44:02] didn't realize that the need to
[44:02] serve in the community.
[44:07] And since then I've actually
[44:08] started looking actively for
[44:09] ways to to reach out and give
[44:09] back Since I grew up so much
[44:12] before I really started to see
[44:13] the impact on community members
[44:13] and so forth.
[44:19] So the reason for me asking to
[44:19] be on this advisory board is
[44:20] because I would certainly like
[44:25] the opportunity to be able to
[44:26] listen and give thoughtful
[44:26] feedback and a way to be able
[44:29] to help to make a place for our
[44:30] our city safer and a better
[44:30] place.
[44:31] Thank you.
[44:31] Thank you.
[44:36] Next we have candidates Scott
[44:36] Rodriguez who has been
[44:37] nominated for the low and
[44:38] moderate income category.
[44:41] Please come up to the podium.
[44:49] Scott Rodriguez, we know we
[44:50] have candidate Rasheeda Lamar
[44:51] who has been nominated for
[44:56] the At-Large and low moderate
[44:56] income category.
[44:57] Please begin your comments
[44:57] already.
[45:01] Many great day for city council
[45:02] and thanks so much for your
[45:02] time.
[45:06] My name is Rashid Ahmed and I
[45:07] am submitting my interest in
[45:07] serving on the Commission on
[45:08] Police Practices.
[45:12] I'm a lifelong resident of San
[45:16] Diego fourth District and I'm
[45:17] the founder of the First
[45:17] Community Empowerment Theater
[45:18] in District four.
[45:21] I've dedicated my entire life
[45:22] to strengthening relationships,
[45:27] restoring trust and creating
[45:27] safer, healthier communities.
[45:28] Through my work I've built up
[45:32] long standing trusted
[45:33] relationships and created
[45:37] safer, healthier communities
[45:38] with residents and community
[45:43] leaders as well as service
[45:44] providers and law enforcement
[45:44] which allows me to understand
[45:48] the perspectives and concerns
[45:48] of all those involved.
[45:49] I'm licensed in restorative
[45:54] practices as a practitioner and
[45:54] trainer that specializes in
[45:59] conflict resolution,
[45:59] de-escalation and restorative
[46:00] dialogs.
[46:04] My work focuses on helping
[46:04] individuals and individuals and
[46:09] institutions navigate difficult
[46:09] situations with accountability,
[46:14] empathy and practical solutions
[46:14] .
[46:15] I have also partnered with law
[46:16] enforcement in the past to help
[46:20] bridge gaps between officers
[46:20] and the communities that they
[46:21] serve.
[46:25] Demonstrating that meaningful
[46:26] collaboration is possible when
[46:30] people are willing to listen
[46:31] and learn from one another.
[46:32] If I'm selected I will bring
[46:35] that community centered
[46:36] perspective grounded in
[46:36] fairness, integrity and
[46:41] restorative principles.
[46:41] I believe every incident
[46:42] presents an opportunity to
[46:46] evaluate not only what occurred
[46:47] but also whether a situation
[46:51] could have been de-escalated,
[46:52] handled differently or resolved
[46:53] in a way that strengthens
[46:57] public trust while supporting
[46:57] officer safety and
[46:58] accountability.
[46:58] >> Thank you.
[47:02] Thank you.
[47:02] Next we'll go to our virtual
[47:07] participant of Emmanuel
[47:07] Barrera.
[47:08] If you can please unmute online
[47:12] and you'll have two minutes
[47:12] actually if you can hold on one
[47:13] second.
[47:17] Can we get the timer up so you
[47:17] can see his two minutes?
[47:18] We're going to put a timer up
[47:21] on the screen so that you can
[47:22] see your timer and manage your
[47:25] time of two minutes.
[47:26] >> Please proceed.
[47:30] Thank you.
[47:31] Thank you to the City Council
[47:35] for allowing me to join
[47:35] virtually.
[47:36] I apologize for not being there
[47:36] in person but I've had a few
[47:42] things come up this morning but
[47:43] many of you MAY know where I
[47:43] live.
[47:44] I'm going to go from seven
[47:44] years entirely in District
[47:48] three and while I and not
[47:49] originally from here and people
[47:50] that made it my adopted home I
[47:53] currently work in marketing and
[47:54] analytics but I did my
[47:54] undergrad at University of
[47:58] California Santa Cruz and I did
[47:58] my grad school at
[47:59] the University of San
[47:59] Francisco.
[48:03] Both schools really put a lot
[48:04] of emphasis on social justice
[48:08] and community service and just
[48:08] trying to give back.
[48:09] So I think what I would like to
[48:13] bring to this commission is
[48:13] exactly that I love it here.
[48:18] I genuinely think of this place
[48:19] as my home to my adopted home
[48:20] and I would really like to
[48:23] strengthen bring the talents I
[48:24] believe I do have which mostly
[48:27] are being objective thinking to
[48:32] leveraging my background to
[48:33] kind of bring that into this
[48:37] commission and provide a fair
[48:37] and unbiased view into their
[48:38] view between the interactions
[48:42] between the community and
[48:43] the senior people.
[48:47] I really believe in the core of
[48:48] this mission of the core
[48:49] mission of this commission and
[48:53] I have believed so since I've
[48:54] first voted on it and arrived
[48:55] here as a new resident And I
[48:57] thought I would like to humbly
[48:57] be considered for this
[49:01] commission and I welcome any
[49:02] and all questions here any any
[49:06] other points But thank you.
[49:07] >> Thank you.
[49:07] That does conclude
[49:11] the presentations from
[49:11] the nominees for this seat.
[49:12] All right.
[49:13] Thank you, City Clerk And you
[49:15] did verify that the three I
[49:20] think that were absent were not
[49:21] online.
[49:21] They are not on.
[49:21] Okay.
[49:22] Thank you for confirming that.
[49:25] So now we'll go to the council
[49:25] members for any questions.
[49:28] Please note per council policy
[49:29] zero Dash 13 This is only an
[49:30] opportunity to ask questions of
[49:34] the candidates.
[49:34] Any comments will be taken
[49:39] prior to balloting So Council
[49:39] member Yvonne Wolpert any
[49:40] questions for the candidates?
[49:40] Yes.
[49:41] Thank you.
[49:43] I have a question for every
[49:44] candidate to answer the same
[49:48] question.
[49:49] When we enacted
[49:49] the implementing law for
[49:50] the Commission on Priest
[49:53] Practices Section 26.11 o 64
[49:54] states, the commissioners need
[49:58] to have the ability to act
[49:59] impartially and independently
[50:00] and we will be appointing you
[50:03] to be a fact finders and
[50:04] adjudicate cases, adjudicate
[50:04] complaints against the police,
[50:08] adjudicate complaints police
[50:09] might have against civilians
[50:09] And so you'll be acting in
[50:13] the role of a judge And we all
[50:14] have experience in the role but
[50:15] we have to come in there with a
[50:17] neutral fact finding ability.
[50:18] So I'd like to know from each
[50:19] person how you plan to be
[50:22] neutral and unbiased when each
[50:23] case comes to you.
[50:27] So why don't we start with you
[50:27] Francisco That I remember
[50:28] correctly and then just kind of
[50:32] go down the line being
[50:36] impartial I would say that it's
[50:37] the first step to build that
[50:37] bridge between public
[50:41] institutions and the community
[50:41] .
[50:42] So there's there's absolutely
[50:46] no other way around this Just
[50:47] we have to listen to the facts
[50:51] And like you mentioned, we're
[50:52] going to be a judge to be able
[50:53] to make decisions, you know,
[50:55] for the betterment of
[50:56] the community as a whole, not
[50:57] for an individual perspective.
[51:00] So I think that's that's
[51:01] the only way about it.
[51:02] And my apologies for appointing
[51:10] you man.
[51:11] So I was serving as a juror a
[51:15] couple times and I've been
[51:15] through there So I have to be
[51:16] honest and look at the fact
[51:20] whatever the fact is I have to
[51:21] go according to the fact I
[51:22] don't look at anything else.
[51:33] >> Thank you.
[51:33] >> Grady Avila License
[51:34] Restorative practitioner.
[51:38] My my job daily is conflict
[51:38] resolution and whether that's
[51:43] in the jail setting, in
[51:43] the school setting or in
[51:44] the community setting and
[51:47] the only way to get to a
[51:48] resolution is to only speak and
[51:52] deal with facts.
[51:52] So I'm a fact finder.
[51:53] I'm an investigator.
[51:56] I'm all of those things But
[52:00] mainly I'm impartial.
[52:05] Good afternoon.
[52:06] So in my current job I'm a
[52:10] director for a restaurant group
[52:11] and I spot I find a lot of
[52:12] times I have to go in and help
[52:15] deal with some issues to to
[52:16] listen to the staff And a lot
[52:19] of times I have to teach my
[52:20] managers how to do it.
[52:21] And the most important thing
[52:21] I've learned over the years is
[52:25] listen first get all the facts.
[52:26] Don't start making conclusions
[52:29] until you've actually listened
[52:30] to everything and be fair.
[52:34] And then at that point when
[52:34] you're done then you make
[52:35] what's best for well for then
[52:36] it was the company and what's
[52:39] right for the for the I'm sorry
[52:40] for the company as well as for
[52:40] the employee and follow
[52:46] the rules So thank you.
[52:47] >> Okay So for right now most
[52:51] of my time is spent doing
[52:51] research and so every single
[52:55] thing that I'm able to look at
[52:55] I have to find it, figure out
[52:56] the evidence behind it and find
[53:00] every possible aspect that
[53:01] could counter what I'm looking
[53:01] at.
[53:02] So I think that it's very
[53:03] important to spread everything
[53:05] out, look at everything and
[53:06] take into account every
[53:07] perspective that could have a
[53:10] point and could have a
[53:11] possibility to influence
[53:12] the facts that were given um
[53:15] with my research experience I
[53:16] spent an extensive amount of
[53:16] time doing just that and just
[53:19] looking at the words on
[53:20] the paper pay no attention to
[53:21] tonality and then being able to
[53:24] take something like a
[53:25] transcript or an audio
[53:25] transcript and then use each
[53:30] way that each side was able to
[53:30] communicate their part, take
[53:31] into account all of that and
[53:34] then make a decision.
[53:35] I think it's very important to
[53:36] look at the bigger picture and
[53:39] then take each part of that
[53:39] bigger picture and create
[53:40] smaller pictures and use that
[53:41] to be as impartial and
[53:43] transparent as possible when
[53:48] making decisions such as this.
[53:53] Thank you for the question.
[53:54] Before moving to San Diego I
[53:55] was a English teacher and
[53:58] the backbone of that is
[53:59] critical thinking and any kind
[53:59] of writing assignment or
[54:03] analysis that we would do you
[54:04] have to be have a clear eyed
[54:08] look at what the text is, what
[54:08] the problem is, what
[54:09] the circumstances And in order
[54:12] to bring an analysis that's
[54:13] free of bias and free of
[54:13] prejudice put those facts
[54:17] together before you can reach a
[54:17] conclusion about how you think
[54:21] and feel and understand
[54:21] the material.
[54:22] And I see that being no
[54:27] different in this case.
[54:28] I wish it weren't that way on
[54:28] social media more but that's
[54:29] not the way it goes.
[54:31] Thank you.
[54:38] And then sorry.
[54:38] Hello.
[54:43] To me I think that in the past
[54:44] of Served on the Police
[54:44] Accountability Board for uc San
[54:48] Diego Police Department so
[54:49] that's something that is that
[54:49] comes naturally with
[54:53] the position Furthermore for a
[54:54] big part of working in in
[54:58] research and my own like major
[54:58] at uc San Diego which is
[55:03] cognitive science is understand
[55:03] what the facts are before
[55:04] making a conclusion You know we
[55:07] can have a hypothesis we can
[55:08] have an idea of like where
[55:09] we're going but we need to
[55:09] clearly understand where all
[55:13] the facts are, find out what
[55:14] points go for and against an
[55:18] argument in order to finally
[55:18] make that case.
[55:19] So I think that to me fact
[55:20] finding comes very naturally
[55:23] also understanding where all
[55:23] these facts are coming from and
[55:24] making sure we have a clear cut
[55:27] procedure for investigating
[55:27] every single complaint and
[55:28] doing it fairly because we want
[55:32] to increase the trust in these
[55:32] systems rather than diminish
[55:33] them through manners which like
[55:35] cut corners in some way.
[55:36] >> That's that's how I see it.
[55:43] Thank you Emmanuel Marin if you
[55:44] can please unmute.
[55:46] Thank you.
[55:46] I appreciate the question.
[55:47] I would say that I would like
[55:51] to point to both my
[55:51] professional background as well
[55:52] as my scholastic background.
[55:55] Personally I work with a ton of
[55:55] data.
[55:56] I don't really go in when I
[56:00] started doing analysis I don't
[56:01] with any preconceived notion of
[56:01] what the facts or in this case
[56:05] the numbers kind of tell me
[56:06] the story and I go from there.
[56:07] But I do think I have a pretty
[56:10] strong grasp on what's kind of
[56:11] removing bias and just looking
[56:14] at things objectively as well
[56:15] As I did point out, my
[56:16] background as a lawyer studies
[56:19] major for undergrad just
[56:24] because I think that really
[56:24] that combined with my
[56:25] psychology undergrad really
[56:28] gave me a baseline for looking
[56:29] at things through a set of
[56:30] rules and being objective even
[56:34] if things feel like they should
[56:34] go certain layer if it
[56:35] shouldn't.
[56:38] I'd like to think that I that
[56:39] training has provided a solid
[56:40] blueprint for me and I'm pretty
[56:50] pretty strong without Thank you
[56:50] .
[56:55] Is it okay?
[56:56] I don't see any other council
[56:57] members on the Light Council.
[56:57] My Woodbury.
[57:00] Thank you Council PRESIDENT I
[57:01] just have one question for MR.
[57:05] Pereira who is on the line.
[57:06] MR. Barry, you're a constituent
[57:06] of mine.
[57:09] Congratulations on getting
[57:09] the recommendation of
[57:10] the Commission on Police
[57:10] Practices.
[57:13] You did at one point reach out
[57:14] to my office with concerns
[57:17] about the Floc contract and
[57:22] automated license plate readers
[57:23] ,you know and that's not
[57:23] inconsistent with that ability
[57:27] to evaluate a police matter
[57:27] independently.
[57:28] But I did want to at least ask
[57:32] you the question should a case
[57:33] come in front of you that
[57:37] involves the use of Alpers in a
[57:38] policing situation?
[57:41] Would you be able to fairly
[57:46] assess the facts and render
[57:51] judgment based on those facts?
[57:52] Excuse me Councilmember
[57:52] Woodburn.
[57:56] I appreciate the question as
[57:56] well.
[57:57] I think so I my personal
[58:00] opinion on whether cameras
[58:01] should be or should or should
[58:02] not be in place would not
[58:05] interfere with my working on a
[58:06] case in which they are in
[58:06] place.
[58:10] They're here that are currently
[58:10] being used by the city And I
[58:15] don't see any reason to let
[58:16] that cloud my judgment on a
[58:16] particular case.
[58:19] Thank you, MR. Brewer Thank
[58:20] you, Council PRESIDENT.
[58:20] >> All right.
[58:24] Thank you for that question.
[58:25] Again, I don't see any movement
[58:29] from my colleagues so the clerk
[58:30] will now yes, the clerk on
[58:33] the I'll take public testimony
[58:34] prior to the council members
[58:37] comments and balloting.
[58:38] So with that clerk please
[58:43] proceed with public comment.
[58:43] >> Thank you.
[58:44] Council PRESIDENT We have
[58:46] speakers Armando Flores if you
[58:51] can please come forward after
[58:52] that will be Maximillian
[58:53] Schmidt allegedly Audra and
[58:56] Yusef Miller.
[58:57] Armando you'll have one minute.
[59:01] Please proceed.
[59:01] Good afternoon.
[59:02] Council PRESIDENT And members
[59:03] of the Council I am Armando
[59:07] Flores, Vice Chair of Strategic
[59:07] Planning for the Commission on
[59:08] Police Practices Speaking on
[59:12] behalf of Sherbini it is in
[59:12] the full Commission with thanks
[59:13] to former Chair Rodriguez who
[59:15] led this effort along with Doug
[59:16] Case who ran which was
[59:17] the chair of the recruitment
[59:20] committee for the first time
[59:21] the cbp carried out its own
[59:22] recruitment and nomination
[59:25] process from start to finish
[59:26] When the commission has a voice
[59:26] in who serves on it,
[59:27] the community has a voice and
[59:29] its own oversight.
[59:30] 21 people applied.
[59:31] Every eligible candidate was
[59:34] interviewed and scored on
[59:35] the same rubric and every
[59:36] nominee before you scored well
[59:36] above the bar.
[59:40] We are grateful to all who
[59:40] applied advancing these six
[59:44] that we put forward diminishes
[59:45] No one We nominate Emmanuel
[59:50] Pereira, Carly Boucher, Dixit,
[59:51] Michael James Ruland and
[59:54] Francisco Peralta Vargas.
[59:55] Together they bring
[59:55] the neighborhood's generations
[59:56] and professional experience
[59:59] This commission was built to
[1:00:00] reflect The final word belongs
[1:00:04] to the Council as it should.
[1:00:04] We respectfully urge your
[1:00:05] serious consideration including
[1:00:08] comment Maximillian Schmidt if
[1:00:19] you can please come forward And
[1:00:19] Yusef Miller if you can please
[1:00:22] come up to the front of
[1:00:23] the room as well so that you
[1:00:27] will be speaking soon on Hi.
[1:00:32] I just wanted to share my story
[1:00:33] of being abused by the police.
[1:00:37] I am I has a problem of
[1:00:38] trusting the police too much
[1:00:42] where what happened was I was
[1:00:43] in my apartment and I lost my
[1:00:47] job and I was spending a lot of
[1:00:47] time alone in my apartment And
[1:00:52] my walls are very thin and I
[1:00:53] could hear my neighbors reading
[1:00:53] my mind.
[1:00:57] So I filed a police report in
[1:00:57] the police station and
[1:01:01] the police ended up saying that
[1:01:02] I was mentally ill and taking
[1:01:03] me to a psych ward And in
[1:01:06] the psych ward they actually
[1:01:07] abused me by reading my mind
[1:01:10] and held me in voluntarily and
[1:01:15] called me mentally ill and
[1:01:16] accused me of being mentally
[1:01:16] ill and I was actually being
[1:01:17] harassed by my neighbors.
[1:01:21] They were on the Internet calls
[1:01:21] it like other people who
[1:01:26] experienced they call it like
[1:01:26] play by play.
[1:01:27] So it's like a sports broadcast
[1:01:28] You're saying what you're doing
[1:01:31] and my neighbors could see
[1:01:32] through my eyes through calling
[1:01:32] the Cardinals concerning what I
[1:01:33] was doing.
[1:01:34] >> Thank you for that
[1:01:35] concluding comment allegedly
[1:01:38] Andre I'm sorry.
[1:01:43] Okay.
[1:01:48] >> I find it interesting as I
[1:01:48] was setting everything up, you
[1:01:52] know, your staff came and told
[1:01:53] these individuals there would
[1:01:57] be a criminal background check
[1:01:58] after this whole process.
[1:01:58] I'm wondering if that's putting
[1:02:03] the cart before the horse and
[1:02:03] maybe we should do that prior
[1:02:07] because then what do you do And
[1:02:08] then we have to come back here
[1:02:08] and repeat this business And
[1:02:11] Steve and I find it so
[1:02:12] hypocritical that you're
[1:02:13] actually asking if somebody is
[1:02:17] going to have some kind of
[1:02:17] sound judgment or if they are
[1:02:18] going to be biased if they have
[1:02:21] a you know, opinion about floc
[1:02:22] when Theresa Smith is your
[1:02:26] friend and people are dying in
[1:02:26] Tent City who are your
[1:02:27] constituents and you just turn
[1:02:31] a blind eye like you are now.
[1:02:32] And this is sad because this
[1:02:33] doesn't give anybody authority.
[1:02:36] Unfortunately all these people
[1:02:36] are good candidates but when
[1:02:37] there is no authority to
[1:02:41] enforce things all they're
[1:02:42] going to be doing is a bunch of
[1:02:42] busywork to make it seem like
[1:02:43] there's accountability with
[1:02:46] the law enforcement And that is
[1:02:46] extremely unfortunate and a
[1:02:48] waste of their time.
[1:02:54] Yusef Miller Good afternoon.
[1:02:58] My name is Yousef Miller and
[1:02:59] with the Saving Lives in
[1:03:00] Custody California and police
[1:03:03] accountability Ability by Mass
[1:03:04] Accountability Coalition.
[1:03:07] And I want you to approve
[1:03:08] everyone to put them on and
[1:03:09] give us a full complement of
[1:03:13] the keep us as old San Diego
[1:03:13] has had a long history of
[1:03:18] police violence against a
[1:03:19] community all coming to a head
[1:03:19] in the 1980s when we had
[1:03:23] the issue or the case of
[1:03:23] Sergeant Penn which inspired us
[1:03:24] to have an oversight for
[1:03:28] policing in San Diego County
[1:03:28] and that's evolved to what it
[1:03:29] is today The only way it can
[1:03:33] function properly as if it has
[1:03:33] a full complement of people on
[1:03:37] those empty seats We I hear a
[1:03:38] lot of wonderful applicants
[1:03:39] that are here behind me and I
[1:03:39] believe they will all do a
[1:03:42] great job.
[1:03:43] And Mike Mike ask in my hope is
[1:03:47] that you approve them all
[1:03:48] the youth complement the every
[1:03:53] compliment that is behind me
[1:03:53] because we need to get to work
[1:03:54] and do some positive things and
[1:03:55] represent the people of
[1:03:58] the community.
[1:03:59] >> Thank you.
[1:03:59] Thank you.
[1:04:01] I started the five minute timer
[1:04:02] going to those participating
[1:04:02] remotely.
[1:04:03] We currently have five speakers
[1:04:04] in the queue starting with
[1:04:06] Hector if you can please on
[1:04:06] mute.
[1:04:06] >> Thanks.
[1:04:10] I would recommend the lady from
[1:04:11] district four She seems to have
[1:04:15] a just a really good
[1:04:16] perspective of what's going on
[1:04:19] in San Diego.
[1:04:20] I don't know if you guys can
[1:04:21] approve a law that sounds good
[1:04:24] to me too but I don't know if
[1:04:25] you're looking for one or more
[1:04:29] than one but do the recent
[1:04:30] things that one shooting of
[1:04:31] the guy and we're still like
[1:04:34] form and committees and stuff
[1:04:35] but you can approve them all
[1:04:35] But I would lean towards
[1:04:38] the lady from District four.
[1:04:39] >> Thank you.
[1:04:40] Thank you Francine Maxwell If
[1:04:43] you can please unmute Francine
[1:04:44] Maxwell Southeastern San Diego
[1:04:48] Given that we have multiple
[1:04:49] empty seats and some people
[1:04:49] that are going to expire they
[1:04:52] were acknowledged last meeting
[1:04:57] So I support full panel that
[1:04:57] has been presented here tonight
[1:05:03] very support of Sister Jamie
[1:05:04] because as she said fair
[1:05:07] impartial, nothing but
[1:05:08] the facts And again we need
[1:05:12] people to stay on topic And
[1:05:13] it's interesting that
[1:05:13] the council PRESIDENT Said
[1:05:14] people would have to stay on
[1:05:17] topic Talking about mind
[1:05:17] reading for every agenda item
[1:05:22] is absolutely his right But if
[1:05:23] this is about the sleep and
[1:05:24] everything should have been
[1:05:26] about the sleep so let's not be
[1:05:27] performative again The sleep
[1:05:31] needs people in the seats so
[1:05:31] that they can understand what
[1:05:32] is going on in San Diego and
[1:05:36] help build the bridge that we
[1:05:36] want from the community to
[1:05:41] the San Diego Police Department
[1:05:41] .
[1:05:42] >> Thank you for allowing me to
[1:05:45] speak Blair Beckman Thank you.
[1:05:46] Hi.
[1:05:50] Blair Beekman We can all have
[1:05:51] our own ideas and feelings on
[1:05:52] things to bring them to this
[1:05:55] sort of body and to work
[1:05:56] towards a neutral space is an
[1:06:00] important concept to understand
[1:06:00] and balance.
[1:06:01] >> Good luck in that effort.
[1:06:05] There's a lot that's going on
[1:06:06] with clock We could be in
[1:06:06] the next year and a half
[1:06:10] The city of Oakland is giving
[1:06:11] Blair Layer This is about
[1:06:11] the cpp appointments.
[1:06:15] Please focus on that Not agenda
[1:06:16] will come up later in the day
[1:06:19] You can unmute I'm doing a very
[1:06:20] good job You missed the point
[1:06:21] of my my speaking on this
[1:06:24] subject.
[1:06:25] We have to learn how to be
[1:06:25] accepting of different
[1:06:26] conversations that are taking
[1:06:28] place in working towards a
[1:06:29] neutrality.
[1:06:30] Good luck on those efforts.
[1:06:33] With that said I wanted to also
[1:06:38] offer the idea that I hope all
[1:06:39] persons here today were
[1:06:40] considering the future and
[1:06:40] the importance of tech
[1:06:44] accountability and what that
[1:06:44] really means and what that
[1:06:45] means and working towards is a
[1:06:48] community participation process
[1:06:48] and that it's important.
[1:06:49] It's an important concept of
[1:06:53] community sustainability.
[1:06:53] Accountable policies are
[1:06:54] important for our future.
[1:06:55] Good luck in that effort.
[1:06:58] Thank you.
[1:06:58] >> Thank you.
[1:07:01] Our next speaker is Tony.
[1:07:07] Tony, please unmute.
[1:07:07] Akinyemi for you.
[1:07:08] i will have to move on to
[1:07:12] the next caller.
[1:07:12] >> >> Yes.
[1:07:16] Please proceed.
[1:07:17] >> Yes, Thank you.
[1:07:18] I just wanted to back the words
[1:07:22] of Francine and Miller.
[1:07:23] I'm in love with you and I
[1:07:26] agree with all the points that
[1:07:26] you made And I also wanted to
[1:07:27] start by giving my own
[1:07:31] endorsement of the very first
[1:07:31] speaker today who was
[1:07:35] representing the students civil
[1:07:36] Law Union.
[1:07:36] I see him and Privacy Advisory
[1:07:41] Board meetings and I've seen
[1:07:45] him at budget meetings and he's
[1:07:45] super involved in the civic
[1:07:46] process and he has a lot of
[1:07:48] experience.
[1:07:58] I also really loved to dropped
[1:08:03] 8700 If you can please unmute
[1:08:03] Star six.
[1:08:08] There you go.
[1:08:09] I'm sorry One minute.
[1:08:09] Yes, it's one minute.
[1:08:13] Please proceed.
[1:08:13] Okay.
[1:08:14] Sorry about that.
[1:08:17] Yes To the cap appointments.
[1:08:18] Great batch of people.
[1:08:24] I will I am going to speak
[1:08:24] directly to the clients and
[1:08:25] the candidates in a minute but
[1:08:27] I do want to say this.
[1:08:28] I do have a lot of concern over
[1:08:32] the person that involves flock.
[1:08:32] I think that's a serious
[1:08:33] concern.
[1:08:37] Councilmember Whitburn.
[1:08:37] Okay.
[1:08:38] So I have two recommendations
[1:08:42] for the candidate.
[1:08:43] Number one, So if you can
[1:08:43] please listen up.
[1:08:46] If you are not truly
[1:08:47] knowledgeable of it, I
[1:08:51] recommend you review.
[1:08:51] Qualified immunity is
[1:08:56] judicially created Legal rule
[1:08:56] that was established by the us
[1:09:01] Supreme Court and this involves
[1:09:01] a cpd.
[1:09:05] And then the other thing is
[1:09:06] number two a dear candidate.
[1:09:10] These are my words on the human
[1:09:10] side of your work.
[1:09:11] We are all biased.
[1:09:15] We are all flawed.
[1:09:16] We are all wounded and we all
[1:09:16] bleed red.
[1:09:21] So she says concluded Your time
[1:09:22] has concluded and so have all
[1:09:25] the public comments for this
[1:09:25] item.
[1:09:26] >> All right.
[1:09:26] Thank you City Clerk With that
[1:09:29] we will now go to council
[1:09:35] member comments if any.
[1:09:36] >> Council member Ella Rivera
[1:09:36] Thank you.
[1:09:37] I just wanted to say thank you
[1:09:39] for all the applicants for
[1:09:40] putting your name forward and
[1:09:40] your interest in serving in
[1:09:44] this capacity regardless of how
[1:09:44] the process plays out.
[1:09:48] I do know that you already
[1:09:49] spent a lot of time to get to
[1:09:50] this point and the interest
[1:09:50] that you've shown.
[1:09:54] I appreciate it is a very
[1:09:54] important position and I very
[1:09:55] much respect that You are up
[1:09:58] through your name in the hat
[1:09:58] and especially because it's
[1:09:59] such a public process.
[1:09:59] So thank you.
[1:10:03] Thank you.
[1:10:03] Council Member We'll go next to
[1:10:04] Council Member Whitburn Thank
[1:10:04] you.
[1:10:08] Council PRESIDENT Since MS..
[1:10:09] Knight brought it up.
[1:10:12] And I am going to support MR.
[1:10:13] Pereira as one of
[1:10:17] the candidates I vote for He
[1:10:18] and I have different
[1:10:18] perspectives on Alpers but i
[1:10:21] was afraid to give a good
[1:10:22] answer about his ability to
[1:10:23] look at things objectively.
[1:10:23] So that's what we're looking
[1:10:24] for.
[1:10:26] Thank you.
[1:10:27] All right.
[1:10:27] Thank you.
[1:10:28] Council member Whitburn.
[1:10:31] I don't see anybody else on
[1:10:31] the lights so I'll just close
[1:10:36] by expressing my thanks to
[1:10:37] the candidates for the extra
[1:10:37] work you did And for those of
[1:10:38] you that had the opportunity to
[1:10:40] come down.
[1:10:41] Certainly those who MAY have
[1:10:45] have a job are at school and
[1:10:46] you know that's not a strike
[1:10:46] against you.
[1:10:47] But thank you for your
[1:10:50] willingness to participate And
[1:10:51] you do realize how much work
[1:10:55] there is in seep and hopefully
[1:10:55] they briefed you on that.
[1:10:56] I think your research probably
[1:10:59] gives you an indication of once
[1:11:00] they really get up and running
[1:11:01] that the Commission on Police
[1:11:04] Practices will be a real
[1:11:05] definition of public service.
[1:11:09] I want to thank Heidi of
[1:11:10] the Council Presidents Office
[1:11:10] for all the work in bringing
[1:11:11] the candidates together.
[1:11:14] Thank you to the Commission on
[1:11:14] Police Practices for actually
[1:11:18] getting organized this year and
[1:11:19] making recommendations.
[1:11:19] I think that's very helpful to
[1:11:20] the council members So thank
[1:11:23] you for that.
[1:11:24] So there's probably somebody
[1:11:25] else I should thank but it's a
[1:11:28] complicated process and I
[1:11:29] appreciate everybody's
[1:11:29] engagement to take the work.
[1:11:33] There's Heidi.
[1:11:33] So all right with that clerk,
[1:11:38] please outline the balloting
[1:11:38] procedures.
[1:11:39] >> Thank you, Council
[1:11:39] PRESIDENT.
[1:11:40] The procedures will be as
[1:11:43] follows We will be distributing
[1:11:44] the first ballot for districts
[1:11:46] two and District eight
[1:11:47] representatives as well as
[1:11:48] the youth category.
[1:11:50] We will then distribute
[1:11:51] the second ballot for the other
[1:11:51] categories as well.
[1:11:52] The low and moderate income
[1:11:56] category with term ending JUNE
[1:11:56] 30th 2027.
[1:11:57] Then a third ballot for low and
[1:12:00] moderate income category with a
[1:12:04] new term of JULY 1st 2026 to
[1:12:05] JUNE 30th 2028 and then a
[1:12:09] fourth ballot for the at large
[1:12:09] category.
[1:12:10] So thank you for your patience
[1:12:11] as we do all of the balloting.
[1:12:14] Once a candidate receives five
[1:12:15] affirmative votes that seat
[1:12:16] will be filled.
[1:12:19] I will announce the votes for
[1:12:20] each candidate at the end of
[1:12:20] each round of balloting.
[1:12:24] Please note if no one receives
[1:12:24] at least five votes in
[1:12:25] the first round of balloting,
[1:12:28] the candidate with the lowest
[1:12:29] number of votes shall be
[1:12:29] dropped from the next round of
[1:12:30] balloting unless the lowest
[1:12:34] vote getters are in a tie
[1:12:34] situation.
[1:12:35] This procedure includes
[1:12:38] candidates who have received
[1:12:38] zero votes.
[1:12:39] New ballots will be distributed
[1:12:39] and a new round of voting will
[1:12:42] be taken.
[1:12:43] My staff has distributed paper
[1:12:44] ballots to the council members
[1:12:47] for that first round of
[1:12:48] balloting for districts to age
[1:12:51] and youth category.
[1:12:52] This will likely be somewhat of
[1:12:53] a time intensive process with
[1:12:56] some pauses pauses between
[1:12:57] submissions and tallying.
[1:12:58] So we appreciate your patience.
[1:13:01] Council members please vote
[1:13:02] once you have concluded voting
[1:13:06] please.
[1:13:07] Fold in half and lift your
[1:13:07] ballot so staff knows that they
[1:13:20] can collect your ballot.
[1:13:21] >> I will just note for
[1:13:22] the record that the District
[1:13:25] two representatives you can
[1:13:26] select is for a term ending or
[1:13:30] starting on JULY 1st, 2026 and
[1:13:30] ending on JUNE 30th 2028 for
[1:13:33] the District eight
[1:13:34] representative It is for a new
[1:13:37] term starting on JULY 1st, 2026
[1:13:38] and ending on JUNE 30th 2028
[1:13:42] And for the youth category
[1:13:43] which you can select two
[1:13:44] candidates to fill
[1:13:44] the remainder of the term
[1:14:00] ending on JUNE 30th 2027.
[1:14:01] >> We'll just take a slight
[1:15:32] pause to tabulate
[1:15:32] .
[1:15:37] >> I will now announce
[1:15:38] the results of the first round
[1:15:44] of balloting district to Hemant
[1:15:49] Kumar de Charla received a zero
[1:15:49] vote Has Susan Martin or
[1:15:50] someone else for District
[1:15:50] eight?
[1:15:57] Received nine votes Received
[1:15:57] seven votes.
[1:15:58] Youth seat Kelly Rusher
[1:16:03] received seven votes and Ariane
[1:16:07] Dixit received five affirmative
[1:16:07] votes.
[1:16:12] We do have a district eight and
[1:16:13] the youth seats filled.
[1:16:13] >> Thank you.
[1:16:17] Council PRESIDENT.
[1:16:18] >> All right.
[1:16:18] Thank you for that.
[1:16:21] Given the outcome, let's move
[1:16:28] on to the next ballot.
[1:16:28] Thank you.
[1:16:29] The second round of balloting
[1:16:29] is for low and moderate income
[1:16:30] Staff is distributing
[1:16:33] the ballots to all council
[1:16:34] members.
[1:16:34] Please select two nominees to
[1:16:35] fill the remainder of the term
[1:16:39] ending on JUNE 30th 2027.
[1:16:40] Once completed please hold up
[1:16:45] your ballot to hold it in half
[1:16:45] and hold up your ballot so that
[1:16:46] staff member from my office can
[1:16:47] collect the ballot from you for
[1:17:24] tabulation
[1:17:25] .
[1:17:30] >> Just to clarify it is two
[1:17:30] seats two nominees to fill
[1:17:31] the remainder of the term
[1:17:36] ending on JUNE 30th 2027 So you
[1:17:44] select two from the list.
[1:17:45] >> Just to make sure we're all
[1:17:45] on the same page And then
[1:17:49] following this there will be a
[1:17:50] separate ballot for the term
[1:17:51] ending JUNE 30th, 28, correct?
[1:17:51] Correct.
[1:17:51] Yeah.
[1:17:53] So we're only doing this 27
[1:17:54] which is the shorter term And
[1:17:56] then we will circle back to
[1:18:02] the 2028 Slightly longer term.
[1:18:03] So just to recap again from
[1:18:04] the beginning instructions
[1:18:09] there will be four rounds of
[1:18:09] balloting.
[1:18:14] One for the 2027 term for low
[1:18:18] and moderate, one for the 2028
[1:18:19] term for the low and moderate.
[1:18:19] And then for the At-Large as
[1:18:24] well.
[1:18:25] >> This a question These are
[1:18:25] not consecutive terms.
[1:18:26] These are concurrent terms.
[1:18:30] We have to nominate four
[1:18:30] people.
[1:18:34] >> Now we're only voting for
[1:18:34] the 2027 seat.
[1:18:35] And then once we get done with
[1:18:40] that then we'll come back and
[1:18:41] do a separate ballot for
[1:18:41] the 2028 seat.
[1:18:42] Okay.
[1:18:46] But there's four open seats
[1:18:46] right now.
[1:18:47] Okay.
[1:18:47] And they're all going to start
[1:18:53] as soon as Jeff got to
[1:18:53] thinking.
[1:18:54] Yeah, right.
[1:18:56] How do you figure the And I
[1:18:59] said yes.
[1:21:04] Three six
[1:22:12] I announced the results of
[1:22:18] the first round of balloting
[1:22:19] for Emily but I received two
[1:22:23] votes Francisco I'm sorry.
[1:22:24] Rashida Lamar I received three
[1:22:24] votes.
[1:22:29] Scott Rodriguez received five
[1:22:29] votes.
[1:22:30] James Tyler Ruland received
[1:22:30] four votes.
[1:22:35] Congratulations to Scott
[1:22:36] Rodriguez as filling one of
[1:22:36] the vacant seats.
[1:22:41] Another vacancy for this term
[1:22:42] ending on JUNE 30th 2027
[1:22:43] remains vacant.
[1:22:47] Would you like to proceed with
[1:22:48] another round of balloting?
[1:22:49] >> Yes, Let's.
[1:22:49] Yes, let's proceed with another
[1:22:53] round.
[1:22:54] If you all could please put a
[1:22:58] line through Scott Rodriguez
[1:22:59] since he has already been
[1:23:00] appointed and you MAY vote for
[1:25:01] one
[1:25:08] .
[1:25:08] >> Nobody received five
[1:25:09] affirmative votes in this round
[1:25:09] as well.
[1:25:15] That received two votes.
[1:25:16] Rasheeda Lamar how many you
[1:25:16] received?
[1:25:16] One.
[1:25:20] James Tyler Roland received
[1:25:20] four and Francisco Peralta.
[1:25:24] Vargas received zero.
[1:25:25] We'll go for another round of
[1:25:30] balloting.
[1:25:38] Yeah, let's try one more time.
[1:25:44] >> Again as a reminder to cross
[1:27:24] of Scott Rodriguez
[1:27:24] .
[1:27:30] >> James Tyrrell received seven
[1:27:30] affirmative votes.
[1:27:31] No other votes were cast for
[1:27:32] any of the other nominees at
[1:27:32] this time.
[1:27:38] Congratulations to James Tyrell
[1:27:38] Ryland for being appointed to a
[1:27:39] low and moderate income
[1:27:39] appointment.
[1:27:46] Term ending JUNE 30th 2027.
[1:27:47] Would you like me to proceed to
[1:27:54] low and moderate income with a
[1:27:55] term ending in JUNE 30th of
[1:27:55] 2028?
[1:27:59] Yeah.
[1:27:59] >> Yes.
[1:28:00] Please proceed with the next
[1:28:01] You will be getting a new
[1:28:01] ballot for the new term ending
[1:28:02] date from staff.
[1:28:05] Please do not use the 2027 term
[1:28:05] ending dates.
[1:28:11] You were able to select two
[1:28:12] candidates from this list for a
[1:28:16] date starting on JULY 1st, 2026
[1:28:17] and ending on JUNE 30th 2028.
[1:28:26] I would ask that you cross out
[1:28:27] Scott Rodriguez and James
[1:28:32] Tyrrell Roland from this sheet.
[1:28:33] You MAY vote for a male Barbara
[1:28:39] Rasheeda Lamar and Francisco
[1:28:39] Peralta Vargas.
[1:28:40] The other two have already been
[1:28:44] seated and appointed to the low
[1:28:45] and moderate income appointment
[1:28:49] with a term ending in 2027.
[1:28:50] Again, if you can please raise
[1:28:55] your hand once you have
[1:28:56] concluded and staff will go and
[1:30:47] collect your ballots
[1:30:47] .
[1:30:48] >> I will now announce
[1:30:48] the results of the first round
[1:30:49] of balloting and one will be
[1:30:54] received four votes.
[1:30:54] Rashid Alomar received four
[1:30:55] votes.
[1:30:59] Francisco Peralta Vargas
[1:30:59] received five votes.
[1:31:00] Congratulations to Francisco
[1:31:00] Peralta Vargas for being
[1:31:05] appointed to a term ending in
[1:31:06] JUNE 30th, 2028.
[1:31:06] We can do another round of
[1:31:11] balloting for the second second
[1:31:12] vacancy if you wish.
[1:31:16] Council PRESIDENT.
[1:31:17] >> Yes.
[1:31:17] Yes, please.
[1:31:18] Please be sure to cross out
[1:31:23] Scott Rodriguez, James Taylor
[1:31:24] Marlin and Francisco Peralta
[1:31:29] Vargas on your ballots And then
[1:31:29] please let us know when you
[1:33:19] have concluded your vote
[1:33:19] .
[1:33:26] >> My little brother I will now
[1:33:27] read the votes into the results
[1:33:28] into the record And when I got
[1:33:31] it I received four votes and
[1:33:36] Rashid Lamar received three.
[1:33:37] Nobody received five
[1:33:37] affirmative votes.
[1:33:38] So an appointment has not been
[1:33:41] concluded.
[1:33:46] Let's try one more round.
[1:33:47] Staff will be I mean you
[1:33:47] already have them.
[1:33:51] As you know.
[1:33:52] Please be sure to cross off
[1:33:52] Scott Rodriguez.
[1:33:54] James Tyler, Roland and
[1:34:04] Francisco Peralta Vargas.
[1:35:34] And please only select one
[1:35:34] .
[1:35:35] >> Thank you.
[1:35:35] We received Emmanuel Varela
[1:35:36] received two votes and Rashida
[1:35:40] Lamar received five votes.
[1:35:41] Rashida Lamar is appointed to
[1:35:41] the low and moderate income
[1:35:45] appointment with a term ending
[1:35:45] on JUNE 30th of 2028.
[1:35:46] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.
[1:35:46] All right.
[1:35:50] Thank you.
[1:35:51] Let's move on to the next
[1:35:51] ballot.
[1:35:52] The next ballot is for
[1:35:55] the At-Large appointment.
[1:35:56] There are several names that
[1:36:00] you will need to cross off
[1:36:00] because they were just
[1:36:01] appointed to other seats this
[1:36:01] afternoon.
[1:36:05] Kelly Rusher rusher.
[1:36:06] Oh sorry.
[1:36:53] I will wait
[1:36:54] .
[1:36:54] >> Everyone has their ballot
[1:36:55] Now if you can please cross off
[1:37:00] Kelly Rusher Dixon Hazard
[1:37:03] Martin Gallegos Munoz Rashida
[1:37:03] Lamar.
[1:37:04] Those were all appointed to
[1:37:06] previous seats in the previous
[1:37:07] rounds.
[1:37:11] Francisco Francisco Peralta
[1:37:16] Vargas was not appointed.
[1:37:17] >> Oh yes.
[1:37:21] Francisco Peralta was appointed
[1:37:22] So him as well.
[1:37:22] So the options are Emanuel
[1:37:27] Barrera, Michael Allen and and
[1:37:27] Hemant Kumar.
[1:37:32] These are trial as well as
[1:37:32] Christel Van.
[1:37:32] Okay.
[1:37:33] And there's two open to open
[1:37:39] seats please vote for two.
[1:37:39] >> And the terms are starting
[1:37:43] on JULY 1st, 2026 and ending on
[1:37:43] JUNE 30th 2028.
[1:37:46] You select two candidates from
[1:37:51] the At-Large category and
[1:37:56] please just hold up your ballot
[1:37:56] once completed so staff can go
[1:39:57] and pick them up
[1:39:58] .
[1:39:59] >> I will now announce
[1:40:00] the results of the first round
[1:40:02] of balloting for the at large
[1:40:03] appointment term ending JUNE
[1:40:03] 30th, 2028.
[1:40:07] Manuela Urena received a three
[1:40:07] votes.
[1:40:11] Hemant Kumar due to trial
[1:40:11] received zero votes.
[1:40:12] Michael Allen Falcon received
[1:40:12] six votes.
[1:40:16] And Christel Van received
[1:40:16] three votes.
[1:40:17] Congratulations to Michael
[1:40:18] Allen Falcon who has been
[1:40:21] appointed to one seat in the at
[1:40:22] large appointment.
[1:40:26] One seat still remains vacant.
[1:40:26] All right.
[1:40:27] Let's go to a second ballot.
[1:40:31] Please be sure to remove those
[1:40:32] that we had before which was
[1:40:36] Kellen Buckner, Arion Dixon
[1:40:40] Hazard, Martin Gallegos, Munoz
[1:40:41] Michael Allen who was
[1:40:42] appointed in the previous
[1:40:42] round.
[1:40:45] Rasheeda Lamar and Francisco
[1:40:46] Peralta Vargas.
[1:40:50] Additionally, you MAY also drop
[1:40:51] the lowest vote getter which
[1:40:52] was Hemant Kamara a troll from
[1:40:55] future balloting.
[1:42:56] In line with Council policy 13
[1:43:17] Oh no Announce the results of
[1:43:18] the second round of balloting
[1:43:21] and Madeline Batra received two
[1:43:21] and Christel Van received
[1:43:22] four.
[1:43:24] Nobody received five
[1:43:25] affirmative votes so no
[1:43:25] appointment has been.
[1:43:29] No action has been taken.
[1:43:31] >> Since we saw change, let's
[1:43:32] do a third round to see if it
[1:44:04] makes a difference
[1:44:05] .
[1:44:05] >> Sure.
[1:44:09] The results of the last one
[1:44:10] were two for Emmanuel Pereira
[1:44:13] and four for Christel Van.
[1:44:13] As a reminder, the two left on
[1:44:19] the ballot are Imanol Pereira
[1:44:19] and Christel Van.
[1:44:20] All others have been removed
[1:45:40] from the ballot at this point
[1:45:41] .
[1:45:41] >> Same results are received at
[1:45:42] two.
[1:45:49] And Christel Van received four
[1:45:49] .
[1:45:49] >> Okay.
[1:45:50] That's the same vote Currently
[1:45:51] it's the same people voting but
[1:45:53] I'm not inclined to do a fourth
[1:45:54] one unless the council would
[1:46:01] like to do Come on.
[1:46:01] >> Okay.
[1:46:06] And give it one more try.
[1:46:07] Another round will go through
[1:46:07] staff Will you have them?
[1:46:10] As noted am I known about it
[1:47:44] And Christel Van
[1:47:44] am I wrote
[1:47:45] about it.
[1:47:45] I received one vote and
[1:47:48] Christel Van received five
[1:47:49] affirmative votes.
[1:47:49] She is now appointed to the at
[1:47:53] large appointment with a term
[1:47:53] ending on JUNE 30th, 2028.
[1:47:54] Thank you.
[1:47:54] Council PRESIDENT.
[1:47:58] All right.
[1:47:59] >> Thank you.
[1:48:00] Do you want to read off
[1:48:00] the list of all.
[1:48:03] Do you want me to.
[1:48:03] >> I can.
[1:48:04] You can.
[1:48:04] All right.
[1:48:07] As a recap, thank you to all
[1:48:08] the candidates for
[1:48:08] participating.
[1:48:09] Putting your name out there,
[1:48:12] filling out the forms showing
[1:48:13] up today.
[1:48:13] So here's who's Martin
[1:48:14] Gallegos.
[1:48:17] Munoz is the new representative
[1:48:18] for district in the District
[1:48:22] eight seat appointed to
[1:48:23] the At-Large category are
[1:48:23] Michael Alan Falcon and Crystal
[1:48:24] Van.
[1:48:27] Appointed to the low and
[1:48:32] moderate income category ending
[1:48:33] in 2027 is Scott Rodriguez and
[1:48:38] James Terrell.
[1:48:38] Roland for the low and moderate
[1:48:42] income category for the seat
[1:48:42] ending in 2028.
[1:48:46] Rasheeda Lamar and for
[1:48:50] Francisco Peralta Vargas is and
[1:48:51] for the two seats in the youth
[1:48:52] category Kelly Brewster and
[1:48:56] Ariane Dixit have been
[1:48:56] appointed.
[1:48:57] And my apologies to both of
[1:48:57] you.
[1:49:00] I'm sure I pronounce that
[1:49:01] incorrectly.
[1:49:05] So again, thank you to all even
[1:49:05] those who were not appointed
[1:49:06] today.
[1:49:10] You certainly are welcome to
[1:49:15] either follow the vp seat Seats
[1:49:15] do become available.
[1:49:16] People do leave Are they
[1:49:17] They're going to do
[1:49:20] the background check first?
[1:49:20] >> Yes.
[1:49:21] Background check is concluded
[1:49:21] after this.
[1:49:25] Once the background check is
[1:49:25] completed my office will
[1:49:27] contact you for a swearing in
[1:49:28] As long as everything's good
[1:49:33] with the background check.
[1:49:33] All right.
[1:49:34] Again, thank you everybody that
[1:49:35] participated And thank you to
[1:49:37] everybody that had the patience
[1:49:38] to watch the balloting
[1:49:38] procedures.
[1:49:42] So unless there's no other
[1:49:42] comments or questions, we will.
[1:49:48] Clerk Please introduce item 602
[1:49:48] items.
[1:49:49] >> So too is to amend sole
[1:49:49] source contract for open gov
[1:49:52] inc six votes are required
[1:49:53] pursuant to Charter section 99.
[1:49:53] If you're here I'd like to
[1:49:57] speak to this item.
[1:49:58] Please be sure to submit
[1:49:58] the speakership to the front of
[1:49:59] the room in the clear box and
[1:50:01] if you are participating
[1:50:02] remotely now's the time to
[1:50:03] raise your hand by pressing
[1:50:04] Star nine or the raise your
[1:50:07] hand icon.
[1:50:08] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.
[1:50:08] All right.
[1:50:09] Thank you.
[1:50:10] So give staff a chance to
[1:50:48] settle in
[1:50:48] now Think you're
[1:50:49] settled in.
[1:50:49] >> Please introduce yourselves
[1:50:50] for the record and let us know
[1:50:52] how much time you need for your
[1:50:53] presentation.
[1:50:53] >> Good afternoon.
[1:50:54] Council PRESIDENT LaCava and
[1:50:58] members of the Council.
[1:50:58] My name is Patrick.
[1:50:59] I'm a Deputy Director with
[1:51:01] the Department of Chair of
[1:51:02] the Transportation Department.
[1:51:03] And with me today is Alex
[1:51:07] Osvaldo, deputy director of
[1:51:07] the Transportation Department
[1:51:08] as well.
[1:51:10] Our presentation takes about
[1:51:10] five minutes.
[1:51:11] All right.
[1:51:11] When you're ready.
[1:51:15] The item before you today
[1:51:15] requests council authority to
[1:51:16] amend the city's existing
[1:51:19] contract with open gov
[1:51:20] the provider of the city's
[1:51:21] cartographic asset management
[1:51:24] software.
[1:51:25] We will start our presentation
[1:51:29] with a contract overview,
[1:51:30] provide some background on what
[1:51:30] cartography is and what
[1:51:31] services it provides.
[1:51:34] Before we outline why
[1:51:35] the software is so important
[1:51:36] for the city and why a sole
[1:51:39] source amendment was
[1:51:40] recommended, the department has
[1:51:40] used open gaps cartography
[1:51:45] software under the current five
[1:51:45] year sole source agreement
[1:51:46] since 2021.
[1:51:49] The current contract has a
[1:51:50] value of approximately $540,000
[1:51:54] and is scheduled to expire on
[1:51:55] SEPTEMBER 8th, 2026.
[1:51:55] The proposed amendment would
[1:51:59] expand would extend
[1:51:59] the existing agreement for an
[1:52:02] additional five years through
[1:52:06] SEPTEMBER 2031 and add up to
[1:52:07] approximately 659,000 for years
[1:52:08] six through ten.
[1:52:11] This would bring the total
[1:52:12] contract value over the full
[1:52:15] ten year period to
[1:52:16] approximately $1.2 million.
[1:52:17] Funding for the service is
[1:52:17] already included in
[1:52:20] the department's ongoing fiscal
[1:52:24] year 27 budget with
[1:52:25] approximately $119,000 budgeted
[1:52:25] for the current fiscal year.
[1:52:29] This ongoing base budget
[1:52:30] allocation would have to be
[1:52:34] amended to account for any of
[1:52:38] the increases due to inflation
[1:52:39] .
[1:52:39] With this I hand it over to
[1:52:40] Alex.
[1:52:40] Thank you Patrick.
[1:52:44] So choreograph is a
[1:52:44] Transportation Department
[1:52:45] Specialized Payment Asset
[1:52:48] Management System.
[1:52:49] Carter complements the city's
[1:52:52] sap enterprise system and it it
[1:52:53] provides specialized payment
[1:52:54] engineering capabilities that
[1:52:58] sap is not designed to perform.
[1:52:58] What it does is it uses
[1:52:59] the payment condition data
[1:53:03] collected through the city and
[1:53:03] Carter Graph calculates
[1:53:04] the payment condition index
[1:53:07] the pci and models how
[1:53:08] the payment conditions are
[1:53:08] expected to deteriorate over
[1:53:12] time.
[1:53:13] These engineering analysis
[1:53:13] helps us determine the right
[1:53:16] treatment at the right time.
[1:53:17] It allows us to maximize
[1:53:18] payment life and make the best
[1:53:21] use of limited funding for for
[1:53:22] payment maintenance.
[1:53:23] The system also supports
[1:53:26] the development of our annual
[1:53:27] slurry seal and rehabilitation
[1:53:28] programs as well as the long
[1:53:31] range payment investment
[1:53:32] strategies.
[1:53:32] And finally using specialized
[1:53:36] payment management software it
[1:53:37] is consistent with the industry
[1:53:41] practice Many cities counties
[1:53:42] and state dots use dedicated
[1:53:43] payment management platforms
[1:53:46] because enterprise systems like
[1:53:47] sap aren't designed to perform
[1:53:48] payment engineering analysis.
[1:53:52] Such as pci calculations,
[1:53:52] deterioration modeling and
[1:53:56] lifestyle lifecycle
[1:53:56] forecasting.
[1:53:57] And why is this important?
[1:54:01] So the cardiogram is much more
[1:54:02] than a database.
[1:54:03] It serves as the engineering
[1:54:06] backbone of the city's payment
[1:54:06] management program.
[1:54:07] It maintains all of our
[1:54:11] pavement inventory, historical
[1:54:11] condition assessments,
[1:54:12] maintenance history and
[1:54:16] provides the analytical tools
[1:54:17] we use to support the budget
[1:54:17] development and long term
[1:54:18] capital planning.
[1:54:21] The platform is also integrated
[1:54:22] with the city's gas environment
[1:54:26] and the public facing
[1:54:27] application such as sts sdk gov
[1:54:31] allowing the residents to view
[1:54:32] payment conditions and
[1:54:32] the planned projects
[1:54:35] The planned paving projects.
[1:54:36] One of the key reasons we are
[1:54:37] recommending continuation of
[1:54:40] the current platform is timing
[1:54:41] the city's beginning its
[1:54:45] pavement condition assessment
[1:54:46] this year during which every
[1:54:46] street will be evaluated and
[1:54:51] updated pci values will be
[1:54:51] loaded into cartography.
[1:54:54] This is one of the most data
[1:54:55] intensive engineering efforts
[1:54:55] that we perform.
[1:54:59] So transitioning into a new
[1:55:00] pavement management platform
[1:55:01] during that same year would
[1:55:04] require simulating Aeneas
[1:55:05] migrating of historical data.
[1:55:06] Configuring Integrating a new
[1:55:09] system.
[1:55:09] Rebuilding some of
[1:55:10] the deterioration models and
[1:55:14] the treatment decision Trees
[1:55:14] that we programed into
[1:55:15] cartography as well as
[1:55:19] retraining staff with the new
[1:55:19] platform.
[1:55:20] So that would introduce
[1:55:22] significant operational risk
[1:55:23] During one of the city's most
[1:55:23] critical pavement management
[1:55:27] efforts.
[1:55:27] Continuing with Carter Graph
[1:55:28] would avoid the cost time and
[1:55:32] disruption associated with
[1:55:32] migrating more than a decade of
[1:55:33] payment data.
[1:55:37] Historical records, engineering
[1:55:37] models and system integrations
[1:55:38] which ensures the continuity of
[1:55:42] operations during this critical
[1:55:43] condition assessment cycle.
[1:55:47] >> And this is our last slide
[1:55:48] and it summarizes all
[1:55:48] the reasons why it was
[1:55:49] recommended to go with a sole
[1:55:52] source extension.
[1:55:53] Open Gov As a proprietary
[1:55:53] computer software that has
[1:55:57] performed reliably and over
[1:55:58] the past five years like Alex
[1:55:59] mentioned has become deeply
[1:56:02] integrated into
[1:56:03] the department's business
[1:56:03] processes data reporting and
[1:56:04] downstream systems.
[1:56:08] Replacing the platform would
[1:56:08] require significant
[1:56:09] redevelopment customization
[1:56:12] data migration testing and
[1:56:13] staff training, creating
[1:56:13] additional costs and potential
[1:56:17] disruptions to the field
[1:56:17] operations and reporting With
[1:56:18] the upcoming pavement condition
[1:56:21] assessment continuity is
[1:56:22] especially important.
[1:56:26] For these reasons extending
[1:56:27] the existing agreement was
[1:56:27] determined to be the most
[1:56:28] practical and lowest risk
[1:56:31] approach providing service
[1:56:31] continuity and predictable
[1:56:32] costs while avoiding lengthy
[1:56:35] and complex system replacement.
[1:56:36] This concludes our presentation
[1:56:40] and we're happy to answer any
[1:56:41] questions.
[1:56:41] All right.
[1:56:42] Thank you for the work and
[1:56:42] thank you for the presentation
[1:56:43] this afternoon and I will turn
[1:56:46] it over to the office of
[1:56:46] the rba for comment.
[1:56:46] All right.
[1:56:47] Thank you Council PRESIDENT.
[1:56:51] So as you heard this is an item
[1:56:51] of a request from
[1:56:52] the Transportation Department
[1:56:54] for the extension of a source
[1:56:55] North Agreement for pavement
[1:56:56] management software.
[1:56:56] That contract is currently set
[1:57:00] to expire in early SEPTEMBER.
[1:57:00] Today that direct docket is
[1:57:01] being driven by a need to avoid
[1:57:05] a lapse in coverage for
[1:57:05] the software.
[1:57:06] While the cardiogram software
[1:57:10] does provide benefits to
[1:57:10] the city.
[1:57:11] Our office does want to raise a
[1:57:11] few procedural concerns with
[1:57:12] this item.
[1:57:15] First is just a concern about
[1:57:15] timing.
[1:57:16] While this contract has been in
[1:57:18] effect for five years, our
[1:57:19] understanding is that
[1:57:20] transportation only began to
[1:57:23] evaluate Looking for a
[1:57:24] replacement in JANUARY or
[1:57:25] FEBRUARY roughly six months
[1:57:25] ago.
[1:57:29] Additionally, it also appears
[1:57:30] that the request to extend
[1:57:30] the sole source agreement was
[1:57:31] only made to purchasing and
[1:57:34] contracting in late MAY.
[1:57:34] And that sole source was only
[1:57:39] approved in early JUNE.
[1:57:39] It then took an additional
[1:57:40] month before the item and its
[1:57:41] materials were sent.
[1:57:43] On one issue of last week to
[1:57:44] our office for our own review
[1:57:47] this timeline particularly for
[1:57:48] a sole source extension really
[1:57:49] doesn't provide enough time for
[1:57:52] us to conduct a thorough review
[1:57:53] .
[1:57:53] And to that extent I want to
[1:57:54] stress to both staff and
[1:57:58] the administration that ample
[1:57:59] lead time to review items
[1:57:59] particularly when they are
[1:58:02] direct docketed is crucial to
[1:58:03] the city's oversight process
[1:58:04] and to our own ability to vet
[1:58:07] items that come before this
[1:58:08] council.
[1:58:08] Our more significant concern
[1:58:13] however, is really associated
[1:58:13] with this being for courier to
[1:58:14] through a sole source process
[1:58:17] during the abbreviated review
[1:58:18] that we did conduct we asked
[1:58:19] for justification as to why a
[1:58:21] sole source extension for a
[1:58:22] software package is necessary.
[1:58:23] As you heard, extending
[1:58:27] the contract does come with
[1:58:27] some price certainty.
[1:58:28] It comes with some operational
[1:58:28] continuity as well.
[1:58:31] But we believe it is also
[1:58:32] important to ensure that
[1:58:33] contract terms and amounts are
[1:58:36] also competitive.
[1:58:36] One of the criteria that
[1:58:37] transportation used to justify
[1:58:38] extending the sole source
[1:58:41] agreement is that there is
[1:58:42] limited competition for
[1:58:42] the service and that
[1:58:43] the department made an attempt
[1:58:47] to find a second or multiple
[1:58:47] sources to no avail.
[1:58:48] However, we were not provided
[1:58:52] with any additional backup on
[1:58:52] this attempt and if it was
[1:58:53] conducted it doesn't seem to
[1:58:56] have been done through official
[1:58:57] procurement channels such as a
[1:58:57] request for information or a
[1:58:58] fee.
[1:59:01] And that type of a process
[1:59:02] could allow the city to see if
[1:59:02] there are other vendors that
[1:59:05] exist that could meet
[1:59:05] the city's needs.
[1:59:06] All of this puts this council
[1:59:07] in a pretty difficult position
[1:59:10] today because not approving
[1:59:11] extension could have real
[1:59:11] consequences.
[1:59:15] And this contract currently
[1:59:15] only runs through SEPTEMBER.
[1:59:16] But the system that it provides
[1:59:20] maintains the city's pavement
[1:59:21] management data and that data
[1:59:21] is necessary for core city
[1:59:22] work.
[1:59:25] At the same time we have also
[1:59:26] not had enough time to do a
[1:59:29] full review of this item and we
[1:59:30] have not seen that all
[1:59:31] the city's procedures for a
[1:59:31] sole source contracts were
[1:59:35] fully followed which leaders
[1:59:35] will see before for this
[1:59:36] afternoon.
[1:59:40] We do recommend that if council
[1:59:40] moves to approve this extension
[1:59:41] that you also request
[1:59:44] the transportation Department
[1:59:45] to work with purchasing and
[1:59:46] contracting to conduct an rfp
[1:59:49] process for other potential
[1:59:49] pavement asset management
[1:59:50] software and that you also
[1:59:53] consider approving an extension
[1:59:54] for only enough time as is
[1:59:55] necessary to conduct and
[1:59:59] evaluate that rfi.
[1:59:59] This could potentially be two
[2:00:03] years but certainly less than
[2:00:03] the five year extension that's
[2:00:04] currently being requested.
[2:00:05] That concludes my comments.
[2:00:08] I am available for questions
[2:00:08] and at least for the next 15
[2:00:09] minutes or so.
[2:00:10] Jordan Moore is also on
[2:00:10] the line from our office for
[2:00:11] more specific follow up
[2:00:16] questions.
[2:00:16] All right.
[2:00:17] Thank you Charles for that.
[2:00:17] With that Clark, please proceed
[2:00:20] with public comment.
[2:00:21] >> Thank you.
[2:00:21] Council PRESIDENT Maximilian
[2:00:22] Schmidt If you can please come
[2:00:24] forward.
[2:00:25] You'll have two minutes.
[2:00:26] After that it's allegedly
[2:00:29] Audrey on.
[2:00:34] Hi.
[2:00:35] >> I want to talk specifically
[2:00:35] about the pavement downtown.
[2:00:39] What is for the extra 600,000
[2:00:43] dollars we're doing to upgrade
[2:00:44] the pavement software?
[2:00:45] I guess this new software has a
[2:00:48] public website streets sd.Gov
[2:00:49] where you can go and see
[2:00:53] the condition of the pavement.
[2:00:54] I guess that's one of
[2:00:56] the things that is included in
[2:00:56] the $600,000.
[2:01:00] What if we took that $600,000
[2:01:01] and downtown we pressure washed
[2:01:05] the pavement with twice
[2:01:06] the frequency?
[2:01:07] I actually don't know if it if
[2:01:11] the pavement downtown is
[2:01:11] pressure washed.
[2:01:12] I mean like a high pressure
[2:01:16] washer with powerful water to
[2:01:16] clean because of the lack of
[2:01:21] rain and sd powerful water to
[2:01:21] clean off the sidewalks which
[2:01:26] are downtown as we know could
[2:01:26] be pressure washed with twice
[2:01:30] the frequency for $600,000 And
[2:01:35] I don't want to say it's
[2:01:36] shameful but hundreds of
[2:01:36] million dollars for the power
[2:01:40] lines underground on and
[2:01:41] talking about the pavement is
[2:01:45] actually very important to me.
[2:01:46] I think it's what makes
[2:01:46] the city the city I think
[2:01:49] cleans the sidewalks is one of
[2:01:50] the most important things And
[2:01:54] we need to pressure wash
[2:01:55] the pavement more downtown.
[2:01:59] It needs to be cleaned more in
[2:02:00] pressure, washed more on And I
[2:02:04] propose instead of upgrading
[2:02:04] the software on pressure,
[2:02:05] washing the pavement more and
[2:02:09] paying for water.
[2:02:09] I truly believe that downtown
[2:02:10] the pavement could get
[2:02:14] pressurized more and there's a
[2:02:14] misallocation of resources
[2:02:19] regarding the actual pavement
[2:02:19] on.
[2:02:20] To be frank the pavement near
[2:02:24] City College and the East
[2:02:25] Village and some places around
[2:02:28] there and 12th and Imperial is
[2:02:28] on.
[2:02:29] To be frank the sidewalks are
[2:02:31] discussing need to be
[2:02:31] pressurized more if you're
[2:02:36] going to.
[2:02:37] >> Thank you for that
[2:02:38] concluding comment allegedly
[2:02:38] Andre if you can please come
[2:02:39] forward and after that will be
[2:02:43] Paul Kruger.
[2:02:44] >> Can I make a point of
[2:02:48] information or a question How
[2:02:49] can seven of you vote and only
[2:02:50] six votes be tallied for that
[2:02:54] last item?
[2:02:54] Someone MAY have declined to
[2:02:55] vote.
[2:02:55] You can decline to vote.
[2:02:59] Okay just wondering It's just
[2:02:59] interesting Wonder who switch
[2:03:03] their vote any who this is very
[2:03:03] interesting because you guys
[2:03:04] always you know make sure your
[2:03:05] back is up against the wall
[2:03:05] when we're here.
[2:03:08] Push in contracts and extending
[2:03:13] them And I have a question as
[2:03:13] far as because of its sole
[2:03:14] source I mean in San Francisco
[2:03:18] with open gov there were
[2:03:19] donations being made to
[2:03:19] the mayor.
[2:03:23] The mayor's wife was making
[2:03:24] investments in this company.
[2:03:28] So I would kind of beg to ask
[2:03:29] the question like what's what's
[2:03:29] going on here?
[2:03:33] Why do you guys constantly put
[2:03:33] yourself up against the wall
[2:03:34] to, you know, approve these
[2:03:38] contracts?
[2:03:39] I mean it's like why I mean was
[2:03:40] there as you know, Charles was
[2:03:44] saying was there due diligence,
[2:03:44] the due process done to make
[2:03:45] sure that there aren't other
[2:03:49] companies So why are we picking
[2:03:49] this one and sticking with it?
[2:03:50] I just it's very interesting
[2:03:54] the way you guys do business
[2:03:55] And then as far as all of these
[2:04:00] companies go and I and you know
[2:04:00] all the data I continue to tell
[2:04:01] you guys we need to be
[2:04:04] concerned about these
[2:04:05] monopolies these companies have
[2:04:05] on government information And I
[2:04:10] think we should be concerned
[2:04:11] about all of our data because
[2:04:11] this data has been collected
[2:04:15] for years now and it's
[2:04:16] something that is being
[2:04:17] weaponized against the people
[2:04:21] and it can be weaponized
[2:04:21] against this municipality as
[2:04:22] well.
[2:04:22] And that's what's so terrifying
[2:04:26] is that, you know, it gets into
[2:04:26] the wrong hands.
[2:04:27] And when you look at places
[2:04:28] like China where information is
[2:04:32] being used to keep people from
[2:04:32] living life like even just
[2:04:33] going to get gas going to
[2:04:37] the doctor, going wherever, I
[2:04:38] think we need to be concerned
[2:04:39] about where our information is
[2:04:42] going and not just be freely
[2:04:43] giving it out like this
[2:04:44] ignorantly believing that it's
[2:04:48] going to be protected in some
[2:04:48] way.
[2:04:49] And so when the government gets
[2:04:50] brought to its knees I'll have
[2:04:54] to tell you guys I told you so
[2:04:54] because you're ignoring
[2:04:55] the fact that this information
[2:04:59] is going into hands that it
[2:05:00] shouldn't be.
[2:05:00] >> Paula Kruger if you can
[2:05:04] please come up.
[2:05:05] >> Uh, thank you very much.
[2:05:10] I just want to know I put a
[2:05:15] neutral on my slip which I
[2:05:16] often do and I know that was a
[2:05:17] suggestion from someone and I
[2:05:20] think it's an interesting one
[2:05:21] but I'm here only to thank
[2:05:26] Charles for his comments and
[2:05:26] the work that his department
[2:05:27] did.
[2:05:27] I don't have any particular
[2:05:28] knowledge of this issue but I
[2:05:32] think that the concerns that
[2:05:32] I've raised are really
[2:05:37] important and really
[2:05:38] significant and that I as a
[2:05:42] taxpayer am really reassured
[2:05:43] that we have an independent
[2:05:44] office and voice reviewing
[2:05:48] these processes.
[2:05:53] If I'm not mistaken,
[2:05:54] the departments that requested
[2:05:55] this contract are overseen by
[2:06:00] the mayor as the city's chief
[2:06:01] executive and I think it's
[2:06:05] really incumbent upon you as a
[2:06:11] council to respond to Charles's
[2:06:12] concerns and to get answers to
[2:06:12] the questions that he raised.
[2:06:17] That's all And thank you again,
[2:06:17] Charles, in your office for
[2:06:18] your work on this and all
[2:06:22] the work you do even even at
[2:06:23] times we've disagreed with you
[2:06:24] on the trash tax estimate.
[2:06:28] And so I think that the office
[2:06:28] has proved itself invaluable.
[2:06:29] I see that you're going to get
[2:06:34] an attorney either today or
[2:06:35] tomorrow.
[2:06:35] I think there's some or perhaps
[2:06:36] it's the auditor.
[2:06:40] I think it's the auditor But
[2:06:41] I'm assuming you do have legal
[2:06:42] counsel or if you need it you
[2:06:46] have access to it And I just
[2:06:47] want to thank you again and I
[2:06:47] want to thank the council for
[2:06:51] for paying attention listening
[2:06:52] to what Charles office produced
[2:06:52] and pursuing.
[2:06:58] Thank you.
[2:06:58] Thank you.
[2:06:59] We've got five minute timer and
[2:07:03] going to those participating
[2:07:04] remotely starting with 8700 If
[2:07:09] you can please unmute you will
[2:07:10] have two minutes for joy.
[2:07:16] Senator Yes to the First
[2:07:16] amendment to contractual
[2:07:21] storage with open gov Road Rose
[2:07:27] Road constituents dream of
[2:07:27] them.
[2:07:28] It's a big priority of the city
[2:07:33] to software data is a big
[2:07:39] priority also So I I'm for
[2:07:40] the internet and all
[2:07:45] the technology it offers us so
[2:07:46] I do I'm counting on there
[2:07:51] having had a good track record
[2:07:52] of five years work already in
[2:07:53] the contract with the city and
[2:07:58] as Paul Kruger said so well and
[2:08:03] I'd David this is really
[2:08:04] important for us to listen to
[2:08:09] the office of the eBay and Jody
[2:08:10] Moore and everybody because
[2:08:11] what they said is very valuable
[2:08:14] and crucial oversight is so
[2:08:15] important to contract So let's
[2:08:20] do that.
[2:08:21] But I am totally for this
[2:08:21] contract.
[2:08:27] It's a big yes on my part and
[2:08:28] only one question yet Inflation
[2:08:28] MAY push it up and we have to
[2:08:33] come back again.
[2:08:34] But do do data on inflation
[2:08:40] with the software do we follow
[2:08:40] inflation and then keep you
[2:08:41] know, on top of that?
[2:08:41] So that's the question.
[2:08:46] Thank you.
[2:08:47] It's going to be I've enjoyed
[2:08:47] the cpi item the job of
[2:08:51] the Philippine equivalent to
[2:08:52] our Thank you Blair big man if
[2:08:57] you can please them you Hi
[2:08:58] Blair Beekman Yeah thank you
[2:08:59] for the idea that offered an
[2:09:03] interesting information to this
[2:09:09] item and if it can be of help
[2:09:09] you committee items in the past
[2:09:10] week on the future of cyber
[2:09:14] security issues for San Diego
[2:09:15] and you're going to be our
[2:09:15] future Cybersecurity policy and
[2:09:16] practices are going to be
[2:09:20] within the city itself.
[2:09:21] You're not going to an outside
[2:09:22] corporate source for the cyber
[2:09:25] security issues so much you're
[2:09:26] going to have someone in San
[2:09:27] Diego city government which is
[2:09:28] an interesting concept to
[2:09:33] simply ask can the cyber
[2:09:33] security keep in San Diego and
[2:09:38] within city government?
[2:09:39] >> Can any ideas they work on
[2:09:39] towards policies and public
[2:09:44] policy But cyber security can
[2:09:45] be of help in any way to this
[2:09:45] item because sometimes tech
[2:09:50] accountability can be a great
[2:09:51] help for other ideas in city
[2:09:51] departments and stuff.
[2:09:52] So I thought I would just
[2:09:56] mention that at this time if I
[2:09:57] can be of any help to
[2:09:57] the questions on this item,
[2:09:58] good luck in the procurement
[2:09:58] process.
[2:10:02] What that can work towards and
[2:10:03] and good luck to tech
[2:10:03] accountability can have a part
[2:10:08] in it in some way towards
[2:10:08] creative thinking.
[2:10:08] >> Thank you.
[2:10:09] Thank you.
[2:10:10] Next is Hector If you can
[2:10:13] please unmute.
[2:10:14] All right.
[2:10:14] All right.
[2:10:15] A comment on this a few months
[2:10:20] ago I think you should let
[2:10:21] the contract expire and just do
[2:10:21] that Do the road things
[2:10:26] yourself in your own district
[2:10:27] Like have the Girl Scouts and
[2:10:28] the Boy Scouts tell you what
[2:10:32] roads to do or schedules
[2:10:33] problem set for another six
[2:10:37] months in the future So they
[2:10:38] can do those things and you
[2:10:39] guys could determine what road
[2:10:44] based on the community's input
[2:10:45] what road should we do now?
[2:10:46] It'd be good It'd be good for
[2:10:47] you guys to get some brownie
[2:10:50] points with your constituents
[2:10:51] where they live and maybe
[2:10:51] instead of him you got
[2:10:56] the million dollars for this
[2:10:57] contract because you already
[2:10:57] got the information.
[2:10:58] The roads don't change that
[2:11:02] much and it's out there
[2:11:02] Whatever they've done with
[2:11:03] computer And we all know
[2:11:08] the terrible roads where they
[2:11:09] are.
[2:11:09] It's not like I met and have
[2:11:15] community involvement in some
[2:11:15] mine to the to the Boy Scouts
[2:11:16] and the Girl Scouts.
[2:11:17] They drive around with their
[2:11:21] parents and they know the roads
[2:11:22] do with the mom stuff and
[2:11:23] paying some money on the side
[2:11:27] It happens Computer guys we've
[2:11:27] all paid them.
[2:11:28] They kind of get it in the end.
[2:11:32] We're pushing it through which
[2:11:33] doesn't look good And even if
[2:11:34] you don't renew the contract
[2:11:38] it's not going to do nothing
[2:11:38] for six months.
[2:11:39] You know the scheduling is
[2:11:40] already out there and then we
[2:11:44] just focus on the next roads,
[2:11:45] do it for a couple of years and
[2:11:45] see how it works because it
[2:11:50] would be good for everybody and
[2:11:50] it wouldn't be You guys can
[2:11:51] make those decisions.
[2:11:55] There's nine council places and
[2:12:00] I would say even give the guys
[2:12:01] south of eight like twice
[2:12:02] the roads that you get north of
[2:12:05] eight blown up you can hammer
[2:12:06] that out on your own council
[2:12:06] thing.
[2:12:07] But anyway, thanks for your
[2:12:07] time.
[2:12:13] Thanks.
[2:12:13] Thank you.
[2:12:14] I'm out of time I to conclude
[2:12:15] here in council chambers there
[2:12:16] are three speakers in
[2:12:16] the queue.
[2:12:17] No additional speakers will be
[2:12:17] taken.
[2:12:18] >> Tony if you can please
[2:12:21] unmute.
[2:12:21] >> Yes?
[2:12:22] Can you hear me?
[2:12:22] Yes.
[2:12:23] Please proceed.
[2:12:26] Good afternoon City Council.
[2:12:27] I wanted to speak up on
[2:12:28] the point that was made by
[2:12:33] the last gentleman that spoke
[2:12:33] in chambers.
[2:12:34] I'm not sure what his name is
[2:12:35] but he always has really good
[2:12:35] contributions.
[2:12:39] He was thanking the independent
[2:12:39] budget analyst and I wanted to
[2:12:40] do the same and I love
[2:12:45] the presentation given by
[2:12:46] the city staff.
[2:12:46] I love the input given and this
[2:12:47] is going to sound really silly
[2:12:51] but I actually had no idea that
[2:12:52] we could register a neutral
[2:12:52] position.
[2:12:57] I don't Please please speak to
[2:12:58] this If possible please let me
[2:12:59] know if there's a there's not
[2:12:59] like a slip in chambers So I'm
[2:13:04] assuming that you just express
[2:13:05] it this way vocally is how it
[2:13:10] works And with regard to this
[2:13:11] this particular issue, I think
[2:13:11] it's interesting concept.
[2:13:12] It's another thing I've said it
[2:13:16] before I'll say it again I'm
[2:13:16] not going to be done saying it
[2:13:17] anytime soon.
[2:13:21] It's so important that
[2:13:22] the public attend these
[2:13:23] meetings because there's
[2:13:23] something to learn in all of
[2:13:24] these meetings I had no idea
[2:13:27] that we were even using open
[2:13:28] gov and I'm like Googling what
[2:13:29] it is and googling the whole
[2:13:33] process of like you know,
[2:13:34] storing government documents
[2:13:39] and storing layouts for roads
[2:13:39] and things like that zoning
[2:13:40] etc..
[2:13:41] So anyway just a kind of a cool
[2:13:45] thing to learn about and
[2:13:46] something that we should all
[2:13:46] know more about as members of
[2:13:47] the public.
[2:13:52] So good luck with your decision
[2:13:52] .
[2:13:52] >> Thanks.
[2:13:53] Thank you.
[2:13:54] Kathleen Lippert, if you can
[2:13:54] please unmute and then Judy
[2:13:57] Strang is our last speaker.
[2:13:58] >> Thank you.
[2:14:02] Good afternoon, Council Item
[2:14:03] six someone proposes to amend
[2:14:04] their open government contracts
[2:14:04] and Transportation Department
[2:14:09] to manage the sidewalk and free
[2:14:09] inventory But perhaps in my
[2:14:13] limited understanding for why
[2:14:14] Caltrans isn't isn't and
[2:14:15] haven't been the responsible
[2:14:20] party to manage pavement
[2:14:20] sidewalk and tree inventory
[2:14:25] Caltrans worker salaries in
[2:14:26] the us are about 106,000 per
[2:14:30] year well $51 per hour.
[2:14:31] Given these lucrative salaries
[2:14:32] and millions of dollars per
[2:14:37] year, the city's stance on
[2:14:37] litigation stemming from
[2:14:38] streets to management and
[2:14:43] managing pavement, sidewalks
[2:14:44] and tree inventory why Caltrans
[2:14:49] isn't already responsible for
[2:14:50] the sat Additionally reporting
[2:14:51] streets, sidewalks and tree
[2:14:54] inventory should not be a
[2:14:55] reactive complaint driven
[2:14:56] process but a proactive one
[2:15:00] proactively addressing
[2:15:01] infrastructure issues to repair
[2:15:02] is a proven strategy for
[2:15:07] reducing problems and that
[2:15:07] could increase more and more
[2:15:13] costs of reactively addressing
[2:15:14] those problems As was learned
[2:15:15] when those jumping over temple
[2:15:19] styles back east to avoid fees
[2:15:20] or removing graffiti within 24
[2:15:21] hours that prevents further
[2:15:25] vandalism in the in in
[2:15:26] the city.
[2:15:26] The same holds true for
[2:15:27] the city to ensure streets
[2:15:31] sidewalks and public spaces are
[2:15:32] clean and free of litter and
[2:15:32] graffiti because when you
[2:15:37] already have litter on
[2:15:37] the streets people have a
[2:15:38] tendency to just throw more out
[2:15:43] there And I share Paul Kruger's
[2:15:44] appreciation of the far more
[2:15:44] likely less politically
[2:15:50] influenced office of
[2:15:50] Independent Budgets.
[2:15:51] >> So thank you for his
[2:15:51] comments as well.
[2:15:52] Thank you for letting me speak.
[2:15:55] Thank you, Judy Strang If you
[2:15:56] can please unmute.
[2:15:56] >> Good afternoon.
[2:16:01] San Diego City Council.
[2:16:02] As I was taking a look at
[2:16:03] the PowerPoint I didn't at that
[2:16:08] point have the aba report but
[2:16:08] there seems to be some things
[2:16:14] missing that the eBay showed
[2:16:15] Shine a spotlight on is
[2:16:18] the lack of data for the whole
[2:16:19] five year period that's sitting
[2:16:19] in SEPTEMBER.
[2:16:20] I don't think we could go
[2:16:24] forward with the vote until we
[2:16:25] have more information And thing
[2:16:30] that occurred to me is a model
[2:16:31] that we might take a look at is
[2:16:32] the counties as they call up
[2:16:36] the traffic Advisory Committee
[2:16:37] that's made up of community
[2:16:37] volunteers each representing
[2:16:42] some part of the county's five
[2:16:42] super busy soil districts and
[2:16:43] they collect the information
[2:16:48] there at those super super
[2:16:49] district level.
[2:16:49] We could do the same thing here
[2:16:55] in our city and collected as I
[2:16:55] think Spencer suggested at
[2:16:56] the city council level and make
[2:17:00] quite a thorough list of what
[2:17:01] roads and sidewalks need fixing
[2:17:06] first And wouldn't the citizens
[2:17:06] love that opportunity?
[2:17:07] I can't think of an area where
[2:17:08] we wouldn't care more than what
[2:17:12] our streets and sidewalks look
[2:17:13] like and more that would do
[2:17:13] That could happen to improve
[2:17:17] improve the safety around our
[2:17:18] walking in our streets.
[2:17:19] So perhaps we should take a
[2:17:23] better look at this as they
[2:17:24] call it the Traffic Advisory
[2:17:25] Commission committee that they
[2:17:29] have at the county level and
[2:17:30] see how it works and see if it
[2:17:31] has applicability to San Diego
[2:17:32] City Council to do the work
[2:17:35] ourselves or at least give our
[2:17:36] citizens a chance to share what
[2:17:41] they know because we will track
[2:17:42] these streets.
[2:17:43] Trust me we could give you a
[2:17:43] list in each of our city
[2:17:44] council district.
[2:17:44] Thank you for that.
[2:17:47] I share my thoughts this
[2:17:47] afternoon.
[2:17:48] >> Thank you.
[2:17:48] And that concludes with a
[2:17:49] comment on this item.
[2:17:49] All right.
[2:17:53] Thank you.
[2:17:54] City Clerk This is an action
[2:17:55] item that requires six votes.
[2:17:59] I'm going to kick it off.
[2:18:00] Thank you for the work to bring
[2:18:00] this forward.
[2:18:05] Clearly the department is very
[2:18:05] happy with open gov My
[2:18:11] experience using the online gif
[2:18:11] maps have shown that it works
[2:18:12] very well.
[2:18:17] I think it's a very powerful
[2:18:18] tool that public has access to
[2:18:23] and I don't know if I'm
[2:18:23] the biggest fan of
[2:18:24] the operation side and
[2:18:24] the challenges that you face to
[2:18:27] do your work every day but I'm
[2:18:28] certainly one of the biggest
[2:18:29] fans on the council here.
[2:18:29] Nevertheless the words of
[2:18:33] the aba have resonated with me
[2:18:34] given the fact that it was a
[2:18:39] sole source before and it's
[2:18:40] been proposed for a five year
[2:18:40] sole source going forward.
[2:18:45] So the question is not if
[2:18:51] the five years but what lower
[2:18:52] amount can we actually do an
[2:18:53] opportunity as the as Charles
[2:18:58] said to do an rfp to see
[2:18:58] whether there are other vendors
[2:18:59] out there that could do
[2:19:03] the work, could do the work at
[2:19:04] a better price to give a better
[2:19:04] service.
[2:19:05] I could talk about migration
[2:19:09] from the open gov database to
[2:19:15] their software going forward So
[2:19:16] the question for staff is
[2:19:20] suggested by the aba but I'm
[2:19:21] not totally locked in to
[2:19:21] instead of extending
[2:19:25] the contract for five years to
[2:19:26] extend it for two years that
[2:19:26] would give you two years and
[2:19:31] about three months to do an rfi
[2:19:32] to identify whether another
[2:19:32] vendor would be a better choice
[2:19:33] or maybe open gap is still
[2:19:36] the better choice.
[2:19:42] Things like Question Council
[2:19:48] member So it does take a long
[2:19:49] time to migrate a lot of
[2:19:50] the information If we were to
[2:19:54] move to a different platform
[2:19:54] you know the work that's been
[2:20:01] put into open governance,
[2:20:01] the payment management software
[2:20:02] that we use it's other
[2:20:03] engineering work that
[2:20:06] represents years that we've
[2:20:07] invested in it.
[2:20:08] We're still working with open
[2:20:12] guard to improve some of those
[2:20:13] functionality to streamline
[2:20:13] those workflows and that's
[2:20:18] still an ongoing thing that
[2:20:18] we're working with the vendor
[2:20:19] on.
[2:20:19] It doesn't make sense to to
[2:20:24] abandon that work and start
[2:20:24] over with the different
[2:20:25] platforms because of all
[2:20:25] the years that we've invested
[2:20:26] to it.
[2:20:29] But but certainly there the two
[2:20:30] years would be sufficient to do
[2:20:35] the RFIs check to see if
[2:20:36] there's other vendors that can
[2:20:37] perform this work And again
[2:20:38] the majority of the work would
[2:20:42] be making sure that
[2:20:42] the migration from open go to
[2:20:47] the new platform would work
[2:20:48] with all of our guys and and
[2:20:49] all the inventory history
[2:20:53] maintenance history and
[2:20:54] redeveloping all
[2:20:55] the deterioration curves that
[2:20:55] comes with migrating all that
[2:21:00] information to a new platform.
[2:21:00] Okay I know that that's extra
[2:21:01] work but I think it might be
[2:21:02] well worth it Or to validate
[2:21:05] that open got really is
[2:21:05] the best you know preferred
[2:21:06] vendor for the services that
[2:21:11] they execute So I'm going to
[2:21:11] move the staff recommendation
[2:21:16] but to extend only for two
[2:21:21] years for a total of seven
[2:21:22] years and with the appropriate
[2:21:22] adjustment in the dollar amount
[2:21:27] but move the staff
[2:21:28] recommendation that only to
[2:21:32] extend it for an additional two
[2:21:33] years Do I need to do anything
[2:21:33] else too?
[2:21:37] >> There's a little more
[2:21:38] information in the dollar
[2:21:43] amounts Yeah we have to
[2:21:50] recalculate the dollar amount
[2:21:50] to be considered.
[2:21:56] >> I would ask Deputy City
[2:21:57] Attorney Bryan Garrity who's
[2:21:57] been handling this matter
[2:21:58] whether anything else would
[2:22:01] need to be added to the motion
[2:22:01] .
[2:22:02] Certainly if this is approved
[2:22:08] our office will revise
[2:22:08] the resolution.
[2:22:09] I believe it is You know, it's
[2:22:14] an ordinance We will we will
[2:22:15] revise the ordinance in line
[2:22:15] with council's comments.
[2:22:16] What I would ask MR. Garrity if
[2:22:20] anything else is needed.
[2:22:20] >> Good afternoon.
[2:22:21] Council Deputy City Attorney
[2:22:26] Ryan Garrity Yes.
[2:22:26] Council Member Currently
[2:22:27] the backup materials include a
[2:22:31] signed amendment from open gov
[2:22:31] under the current terms that
[2:22:32] were based on staff's
[2:22:37] recommendation in order to
[2:22:38] effectuate the two year term we
[2:22:38] would have to revise that
[2:22:39] amendment and have it agreed to
[2:22:42] by open gov.
[2:22:43] I don't believe they've had
[2:22:44] the benefit of this current
[2:22:48] discussion so I don't know if I
[2:22:48] don't know at this time if
[2:22:49] those terms are acceptable to
[2:22:53] open go but they would have to
[2:22:54] accept them in order to revise
[2:22:54] the amendment to then
[2:23:00] incorporate the two year term
[2:23:00] rather than a five year term
[2:23:01] And that wouldn't be a problem
[2:23:05] in meeting the SEPTEMBER or
[2:23:06] SEPTEMBER expiration of
[2:23:07] the current five year contract.
[2:23:12] We could revise the ordinance
[2:23:12] based on the direction today
[2:23:13] and seek to have the updated
[2:23:18] amendment document from open
[2:23:18] gov as soon as possible to meet
[2:23:19] council's authority.
[2:23:19] Essentially council is
[2:23:24] authorizing the Mayor to sign
[2:23:24] an amendment for a two year
[2:23:29] extension to the contract and
[2:23:29] based on the dollar amounts
[2:23:30] that staff have listed in
[2:23:31] the staff report for
[2:23:34] the corresponding fiscal years
[2:23:34] .
[2:23:35] >> Okay.
[2:23:35] i appreciate that and I
[2:23:36] probably don't need to say it
[2:23:41] that I'm going to this is
[2:23:41] obviously the difficult
[2:23:42] position but council in coming
[2:23:45] in at the last minute with a
[2:23:46] fine fine and it's like I don't
[2:23:47] know what I'm doing here And so
[2:23:51] I don't know if my colleagues
[2:23:52] will agree to that to you but
[2:23:52] that's the motion I'm going to
[2:23:57] put on the table for now And
[2:23:58] we'll go next to Council member
[2:23:58] Eagle River.
[2:24:02] >> I think you guys PRESIDENT
[2:24:04] Appreciate the flag coming over
[2:24:11] and the comments there can you
[2:24:11] I think I think council present
[2:24:12] got a little bit of the answer
[2:24:16] here but my understanding that
[2:24:21] this process wasn't started
[2:24:26] earlier because the belief in
[2:24:26] that switching to a different
[2:24:30] provider would just be too too
[2:24:35] burdensome for the city.
[2:24:36] Well, thank you for your
[2:24:36] question.
[2:24:37] So the department's goal is to
[2:24:37] start the process usually for
[2:24:41] all contracts that expire 9 to
[2:24:42] 12 months prior to their
[2:24:42] expiration date.
[2:24:46] So in this case we started
[2:24:47] the process in JANUARY and we
[2:24:51] we worked extensively with
[2:24:52] purchasing and contracting and
[2:24:52] the vendor to determine
[2:24:57] the best course of action and
[2:24:58] it was the ticket And I'm going
[2:24:58] to jump right there because
[2:24:59] this is where I'm starting to
[2:25:01] get confused because the vendor
[2:25:02] piece and there doesn't have to
[2:25:06] be anything wrong But but that
[2:25:07] baked into that answer sounds
[2:25:11] to be it seems to be a
[2:25:12] presumption that we're going to
[2:25:21] use the same vendor.
[2:25:21] Am I missing something there?
[2:25:22] It might have come across this
[2:25:26] way since I summarized all of
[2:25:30] our processes but we determined
[2:25:30] first that it was the best
[2:25:31] course of action to go with a
[2:25:34] sole source agreement amendment
[2:25:35] before reaching out to
[2:25:35] the vendor to discuss it in a
[2:25:39] more detail.
[2:25:45] What factors determined that it
[2:25:45] was the best course of action
[2:25:49] to go with the sole source?
[2:25:50] >> I would have to get back to
[2:25:55] you on the details but in in
[2:25:56] the short it is summarized in
[2:25:56] our sole source memo that was
[2:25:57] approved by purchasing
[2:25:59] contracting and we can if it's
[2:26:00] not attached to this item we
[2:26:01] can certainly provide that
[2:26:06] document just because it looks
[2:26:06] like our interim director of
[2:26:11] transportation would like to
[2:26:11] hop in here.
[2:26:12] >> Good afternoon.
[2:26:13] Larry Chavis, interim director
[2:26:14] for Transportation Department.
[2:26:15] And just to emphasize that this
[2:26:16] has been in collaboration with
[2:26:19] purchasing and contracting.
[2:26:20] Got it.
[2:26:20] Yes.
[2:26:20] Thank you.
[2:26:21] Thank you.
[2:26:22] I think what we're I'm trying
[2:26:27] to what I'm trying to
[2:26:36] understand I guess is what
[2:26:37] keeps the process competitive
[2:26:41] after a vendor has secured a
[2:26:42] contract with us.
[2:26:46] In other words, if we're
[2:26:54] telling the outside world
[2:26:55] the folks who are supposed to
[2:26:55] be competing for business with
[2:26:56] the city that if they can just
[2:26:59] get their foot in the door with
[2:27:00] us that the city's not going to
[2:27:01] be interested in going in a
[2:27:06] different direction.
[2:27:07] Why would they ever work to be
[2:27:13] competitive to make sure that
[2:27:13] we're happy and this isn't had
[2:27:14] has had actually nothing to do
[2:27:15] it open what I'm just I feel
[2:27:16] like I'm seeing real process
[2:27:21] flags and you know it's not
[2:27:22] the first time it's popped up
[2:27:22] but it just everything that
[2:27:25] Charles just mentioned and some
[2:27:26] of the responses to what's been
[2:27:30] raised is making those flags
[2:27:31] fly higher and look brighter
[2:27:36] than ever before.
[2:27:37] >> Thank you for the question.
[2:27:38] Councilmember Julio Rivera
[2:27:40] Claudio Baka, director of
[2:27:40] Purchasing and Contracting.
[2:27:41] So with every procurement we
[2:27:44] typically as the contract is
[2:27:45] about to sunset, each
[2:27:46] department needs to assess
[2:27:49] whether or not they need an
[2:27:50] additional contract to replace
[2:27:53] that.
[2:27:54] When they are doing that
[2:27:55] typically we will put it out to
[2:27:59] bid again for instances with
[2:27:59] software because technology
[2:28:03] changes so quickly.
[2:28:04] There is there is an
[2:28:08] opportunity to go out and see
[2:28:09] what else is in
[2:28:09] the marketplace.
[2:28:10] At minimum we would do a
[2:28:13] request for information.
[2:28:13] The request for information at
[2:28:14] least allows us to see what's
[2:28:18] in the marketplace and given
[2:28:18] the needs that are identified
[2:28:23] by the Department, if there are
[2:28:24] respondents to the rfp then we
[2:28:27] would then issue a request for
[2:28:28] proposals and do a full blown
[2:28:29] procurement process.
[2:28:32] But we should be doing open
[2:28:33] procurement any time a contract
[2:28:37] is due to expire.
[2:28:37] >> I agree.
[2:28:46] So so what happened here?
[2:28:47] >> All right.
[2:28:48] I'll turn it over to you.
[2:28:52] Naomi.
[2:28:56] >> Councilmember Ella Rivera If
[2:28:57] I MAY add a staff shared
[2:28:57] earlier in the presentation it
[2:29:00] a lot of it had to do with
[2:29:01] the timing.
[2:29:05] This council approved
[2:29:06] the follow up to the payment
[2:29:06] condition assessment which it's
[2:29:09] a best market practice to do
[2:29:10] every four years.
[2:29:11] This would be the fourth year
[2:29:14] It was critical to have
[2:29:15] comparative comparable data to
[2:29:16] be able to really see
[2:29:20] the condition of our roads and
[2:29:20] have an apples to apples
[2:29:21] comparison from the assessment
[2:29:24] that was done in 2023 I believe
[2:29:25] to the one that we're we'll be
[2:29:29] taking place this fiscal year
[2:29:29] 2027.
[2:29:30] So now we just to make sure I
[2:29:31] understand that part In other
[2:29:34] words, if I'm hearing you
[2:29:35] right, council assigned
[2:29:38] the department work
[2:29:39] the assessment and with that
[2:29:44] assignment came the need for
[2:29:44] the software.
[2:29:45] But do we not need the software
[2:29:45] either way?
[2:29:48] So the need for the software
[2:29:49] would remain.
[2:29:53] However, it is beneficial to
[2:29:54] have the same provider of
[2:29:58] the of the assessment or
[2:29:59] cartography in this in this
[2:29:59] example to have the best
[2:30:03] comparison, the best data sets
[2:30:04] and the best information for
[2:30:05] the assessment that will be
[2:30:08] presented to council.
[2:30:08] Right.
[2:30:09] Which brings me back to
[2:30:09] the other point though If that
[2:30:13] is the city's position then are
[2:30:17] we incentivizing
[2:30:18] competitiveness from our our
[2:30:18] vendors especially once they
[2:30:23] get the initial contract with
[2:30:23] us?
[2:30:28] So need for the department will
[2:30:29] need for this year if it makes
[2:30:29] sense or the recommendation
[2:30:33] would have been the sole source
[2:30:38] And just just given the follow
[2:30:38] up to the pavement condition
[2:30:42] assessment it would have been
[2:30:43] based on the challenges that
[2:30:47] that staff presented earlier
[2:30:48] And besides the migration and
[2:30:51] everything it's it's it's it's
[2:30:52] really having the data
[2:30:57] the continuity the same
[2:30:57] degradation of the curves and
[2:30:58] all of the assessments that we
[2:31:05] had in 2023 and using current
[2:31:05] assessment of the roads for
[2:31:06] this year.
[2:31:10] Yeah I understand that I don't
[2:31:11] I don't want to go into
[2:31:11] circles.
[2:31:12] I just I think what I'm what
[2:31:14] I'm concerned about is again
[2:31:15] that once we have a certain
[2:31:19] contractor do an assessment and
[2:31:20] doesn't doesn't have to just be
[2:31:24] a roads once they start doing
[2:31:28] work in our city this is not
[2:31:28] the first time I've heard that
[2:31:33] that moving And it's not just
[2:31:33] transportation either moving
[2:31:37] work to a different software
[2:31:38] platform or provider would be
[2:31:42] an enormous undertaking And I
[2:31:42] want to know what the city is
[2:31:46] doing earlier on in
[2:31:47] the processes to protect us and
[2:31:51] protect our resources so that
[2:31:56] the inconvenience of of another
[2:31:57] option doesn't create an
[2:32:01] environment where we're not
[2:32:01] getting the best price
[2:32:02] possible.
[2:32:03] So that's where I'm going with
[2:32:03] that.
[2:32:06] I appreciate the responses.
[2:32:06] Charles.
[2:32:10] Thank you again for um for
[2:32:15] flagging this to council
[2:32:20] residents Point not an ideal
[2:32:21] position to be in today Um but
[2:32:25] I do I do think it's important
[2:32:27] to understand what is is
[2:32:33] changing in terms of um at this
[2:32:34] point we should and we should
[2:32:35] know which sort of contracts
[2:32:38] are most likely to end up in
[2:32:38] these sort of situations and
[2:32:42] take measures earlier on to
[2:32:43] provide the city with as many
[2:32:47] options as possible And if
[2:32:48] the best decision is ultimately
[2:32:53] to continue with the provider
[2:32:57] that we're using, great.
[2:32:58] But let's make sure that that's
[2:33:02] earned rather than a default
[2:33:06] out of that you know, because
[2:33:07] it seems more convenient or
[2:33:11] because the switch would be
[2:33:12] untenable given the timeline
[2:33:13] that that's provided.
[2:33:19] So um I'll second the motion
[2:33:19] but not particularly happy
[2:33:23] about how we ended up here.
[2:33:24] All right.
[2:33:24] Thank you Council members.
[2:33:29] So we have a motion by myself
[2:33:29] that is was displayed on
[2:33:32] the screen which is to move
[2:33:33] the staff recommendation except
[2:33:34] to do it for a two year
[2:33:38] extension and second by
[2:33:39] yourself and I'll quickly throw
[2:33:43] in because I don't like to put
[2:33:43] them in motions that this would
[2:33:44] require the department to move
[2:33:47] forward either with an rfi or
[2:33:48] an rfp.
[2:33:49] We'll leave that in your hands.
[2:33:51] I see co two there in the back
[2:33:55] is nodding yes.
[2:33:56] So with that I will now go to
[2:33:57] Councilmember Van Wolpert.
[2:34:00] Thank you very much.
[2:34:01] Um I have some questions about
[2:34:06] the software itself to uh one
[2:34:07] I'm glad that we are doing our
[2:34:10] pavement condition assessment
[2:34:11] as we should be and we actually
[2:34:11] have a pavement management plan
[2:34:15] that did not exist before many
[2:34:16] of us were up on this dais.
[2:34:17] Now funding it is a different
[2:34:20] challenge of course where you
[2:34:21] can only do as much paving as
[2:34:21] the city budget can support but
[2:34:24] at least we know what we're
[2:34:24] supposed to be doing.
[2:34:25] One question I have though is
[2:34:29] did do we know our districts
[2:34:34] really well and I know for
[2:34:34] example the Karl Mountain Ranch
[2:34:35] Road in my district was an
[2:34:39] absolute disaster and people
[2:34:39] were getting potholes.
[2:34:40] We ended up going to close
[2:34:44] session and paying out I think
[2:34:44] $600,000 for an injury crash on
[2:34:45] it.
[2:34:48] That happened again.
[2:34:49] Rancho Bernardo wrote about
[2:34:50] Arts Center Drive I've been
[2:34:53] telling the mayor's staff for
[2:34:54] two years that this road is
[2:34:54] horrible.
[2:34:58] It needs to be fixed.
[2:34:59] The contractor was a mess and
[2:34:59] we just went to close session.
[2:35:00] We paid another $600,000 out
[2:35:01] with a motorcyclist who got
[2:35:05] injured.
[2:35:06] >> So these roads are major
[2:35:10] thoroughfares and they're going
[2:35:11] to have thousands of people on
[2:35:11] them.
[2:35:12] I understand why we have to fix
[2:35:15] every road in the city
[2:35:16] including cul de sacs but
[2:35:17] the cul de sac is less likely
[2:35:20] to result in a major liability
[2:35:20] payout which then reduces our
[2:35:21] ability to pave other roads.
[2:35:25] So how can we provide this
[2:35:25] information in a useful way to
[2:35:26] the Department Transportation
[2:35:30] to say there's literally an
[2:35:30] accident going to happen on
[2:35:31] this road?
[2:35:32] i am the council member of this
[2:35:32] district.
[2:35:34] I hear from my constituents all
[2:35:35] the time Why can't we put that
[2:35:36] in the software to prevent
[2:35:39] liability and then we can use
[2:35:40] the money we're not spending on
[2:35:44] lawsuits to pave the roads more
[2:35:44] .
[2:35:45] >> Thank you for that question.
[2:35:49] Councilmember Van Wilpert So
[2:35:49] the software does make
[2:35:50] recommendations for the best
[2:35:54] value for the funding that we
[2:35:54] allocate each year to
[2:35:58] the pavement program So it does
[2:35:59] provide and recommend those
[2:36:00] streets that are recommended
[2:36:03] for street rehabilitation and
[2:36:04] that we either provide as a
[2:36:08] standalone pavement projects
[2:36:09] that ecp manages or we we put
[2:36:13] that as our our into our
[2:36:14] Midland Pay program.
[2:36:15] The majority of the streets do
[2:36:18] go to maintaining the roadway
[2:36:18] that are already in good
[2:36:19] conditions and maintaining
[2:36:23] those because you get more bang
[2:36:23] for your buck in trying to
[2:36:24] maintain those those roadways
[2:36:28] for slurry seals and keep seals
[2:36:28] and so forth.
[2:36:29] So because of the limited
[2:36:32] funding that we do have each
[2:36:33] year, of course we don't get to
[2:36:37] address all of the recommended
[2:36:37] streets segments that
[2:36:38] choreograph open gov recommends
[2:36:39] to us So we do make those
[2:36:43] selections based off of our
[2:36:43] field verification.
[2:36:48] Our engineers go out there and
[2:36:48] select those streets, do mark
[2:36:49] out.
[2:36:49] We also coordinate this year
[2:36:52] with council members to let us
[2:36:53] know if there's any particular
[2:36:54] roadways that are really high
[2:36:54] priority for them that we have
[2:36:58] been incorporating and
[2:36:58] potentially swapping in our
[2:36:59] million pave streets.
[2:37:03] So those things are things that
[2:37:03] we're incorporating with our
[2:37:04] streets election year after
[2:37:07] year to make those types of
[2:37:08] improvements.
[2:37:08] >> Got it.
[2:37:12] Well that had not been I have
[2:37:13] not had that experience as a
[2:37:13] council member.
[2:37:18] I have been bringing things and
[2:37:18] not to you in particular
[2:37:19] obviously to to whoever I'm
[2:37:20] supposed to talk to you to
[2:37:22] Bethany or to Eric Dargon when
[2:37:23] I was here or anybody I mean I
[2:37:27] brought in spreadsheet sheets.
[2:37:28] I hand them to the mayor's
[2:37:28] office and said these are
[2:37:29] the roads we're getting
[2:37:32] the most complaints about and
[2:37:32] they're major thoroughfares.
[2:37:33] And then two big accidents
[2:37:33] happened.
[2:37:36] We've paid over $1 million in
[2:37:36] liability.
[2:37:37] I feel that I am not being
[2:37:41] listened to.
[2:37:41] >> What I'm trying to tell you
[2:37:42] which roads could result in
[2:37:45] liability And so I don't either
[2:37:46] the software system that's
[2:37:47] blocking us from doing this and
[2:37:51] how can I better communicate so
[2:37:51] we don't have liability on our
[2:37:52] streets?
[2:37:52] Thank you for the comment.
[2:37:56] Consent Council member Von
[2:37:57] Wilpert And as we have shared
[2:38:00] with with Council on our
[2:38:04] overall pci scores citywide we
[2:38:05] did a brief assessment of even
[2:38:09] just the single digit streets
[2:38:10] at the city And based on
[2:38:14] the funding that Transportation
[2:38:15] Department receives it would
[2:38:19] take over ten years to just
[2:38:19] address the streets in
[2:38:23] the single digits which of
[2:38:24] course then as we move into
[2:38:25] the tens and the 20s then all
[2:38:28] that to say is that there is a
[2:38:29] great need citywide And as much
[2:38:32] as we try to prioritize and
[2:38:33] select streets to prevent
[2:38:37] further the deterioration as
[2:38:38] Alex mentioned just the overall
[2:38:42] need is is great but we are
[2:38:43] more than happy to work with
[2:38:44] your office and and take any
[2:38:47] any road selections or any
[2:38:48] anything that your constituents
[2:38:52] are bringing and see how that
[2:38:56] would fit into the selection on
[2:38:57] an annual basis.
[2:38:58] And Councilmember I could add
[2:38:58] on I feel that the coordination
[2:39:02] between officers has been
[2:39:02] successful in reallocating
[2:39:03] certain slurry miles to more or
[2:39:06] higher priority areas.
[2:39:07] I realize it's never going to
[2:39:07] be enough.
[2:39:08] There's always going to be a
[2:39:11] need somewhere out there but
[2:39:12] taking miles that are already
[2:39:13] allocated to your district to
[2:39:15] reallocate them or assign them
[2:39:16] to a different area that is a
[2:39:17] more high priority for your
[2:39:18] community is something that
[2:39:18] we'll continue to do And I
[2:39:21] think we have a good successful
[2:39:21] track record of doing that
[2:39:23] together So far for cota only
[2:39:26] after the accident happened.
[2:39:31] That's what I'm trying to say.
[2:39:32] >> I'm not going to vote for
[2:39:32] this.
[2:39:36] I'm frustrated This Thank you
[2:39:37] Councilmember Von Wilpert.
[2:39:41] And we should emphasize that
[2:39:42] you were the leading voice a
[2:39:42] few years ago to actually get
[2:39:43] the pavement management
[2:39:47] reinstated.
[2:39:47] You did And we found the money
[2:39:48] for it back in the day.
[2:39:49] So with that we will go to
[2:39:54] council member Foster Um okay I
[2:39:58] this is a little difficult I
[2:40:05] understand the ibus comments
[2:40:06] and let me see if I could just
[2:40:07] make sure I understand what's
[2:40:10] before us.
[2:40:11] We have a contract that's going
[2:40:15] to expire soon correct.
[2:40:16] And when is what is that
[2:40:18] expiration date by SEPTEMBER
[2:40:22] 8th I'm sorry SEPTEMBER 8th,
[2:40:23] 2026 or 2026.
[2:40:34] Um and so clearly the staff
[2:40:35] unfortunately got behind in
[2:40:39] moving forward appropriately
[2:40:40] right?
[2:40:41] I guess in regards to an rfi
[2:40:45] and a subsequent rfp But just
[2:40:49] as I look at this and I
[2:40:50] understand the two years but I
[2:40:54] like to think even if we made
[2:40:59] the rfi we made the rfp that it
[2:40:59] seems if there's another
[2:41:04] contract that is another
[2:41:08] contractor that is selected I
[2:41:09] would assume we would do this
[2:41:09] like any other software where
[2:41:13] there is a transition time
[2:41:14] where we have both under
[2:41:18] contract is that the case or
[2:41:19] not the case in this one?
[2:41:19] And essentially what I'm
[2:41:22] getting at is we could do
[2:41:23] the two years to hold staff
[2:41:23] accountable but we'll be right
[2:41:27] back here before us either with
[2:41:28] better news that you're able to
[2:41:32] move forward or worse news that
[2:41:32] you're not.
[2:41:33] But I'm assuming there will be
[2:41:36] a transition period to um as we
[2:41:36] go from one platform to
[2:41:41] the other like we do with
[2:41:41] anything else.
[2:41:42] Correct.
[2:41:42] I will defer to the department
[2:41:46] on particulars for for what
[2:41:46] their needs will be But
[2:41:50] generally yes we would have to
[2:41:50] under contract.
[2:41:51] We also have to consider if
[2:41:55] there MAY be a protest period
[2:41:55] if something goes wrong and
[2:41:56] there are additional delays two
[2:41:57] years MAY not be enough
[2:42:01] throughout the process.
[2:42:01] Council over the two years that
[2:42:02] I suggested just trying to
[2:42:06] think of what the short as
[2:42:07] potential time is if there is a
[2:42:08] potential the rfa goes out and
[2:42:10] there is no one else who can do
[2:42:11] the work right.
[2:42:11] I don't know if that's the case
[2:42:12] but part of the issue of this
[2:42:15] being direct docketed in my
[2:42:16] office only getting information
[2:42:16] on this like Wednesday through
[2:42:19] Friday of last week if I can't
[2:42:19] answer that question right now.
[2:42:20] Right.
[2:42:25] So if you end up needing to do
[2:42:25] it for a fee and switch to
[2:42:26] another one.
[2:42:29] Yeah you probably do need to
[2:42:30] build in some time to actually
[2:42:30] transition things over Maybe
[2:42:34] that transition time gets
[2:42:35] faster with new way out or I
[2:42:36] don't know But our initial
[2:42:39] recommendation is is going to
[2:42:40] be however long rfi is plus a
[2:42:43] year or two Two years seem to
[2:42:43] be something that came up when
[2:42:44] we were having conversations
[2:42:47] with staff This morning.
[2:42:47] Okay.
[2:42:52] I guess my my next question
[2:42:53] will be as we went into
[2:42:57] the additional contract term is
[2:43:00] I'm assuming it's a five year
[2:43:01] it's a five year contract one
[2:43:05] year terms right option to
[2:43:05] renew.
[2:43:06] Is that how you guys ran this
[2:43:10] this new Yes that is correct.
[2:43:15] Five year extension with one
[2:43:19] year terms that are b7 correct
[2:43:24] When you guys establish
[2:43:24] the when you guys just went
[2:43:25] through your negotiations, was
[2:43:28] it based on cpi index or was it
[2:43:29] did they just work up whatever
[2:43:30] their fresh numbers were And is
[2:43:34] there any are there any
[2:43:34] guardrails that we're taking
[2:43:39] into consideration or were they
[2:43:40] given an open and open path to
[2:43:41] provide you with whatever
[2:43:47] numbers they wanted to?
[2:43:47] >> And so continuation of that
[2:43:48] current annual price which
[2:43:52] incorporates the 3% annual
[2:43:52] inflation and starting with
[2:43:56] your six it accounts for a 5%
[2:43:56] annual inflation rate.
[2:44:00] So it's it continues to
[2:44:04] increase year over year first
[2:44:05] by three years and then at 3%
[2:44:08] and then by 5% four years six
[2:44:13] through ten which is at a is
[2:44:13] that in accordance with
[2:44:14] the price index?
[2:44:14] Right.
[2:44:17] Right.
[2:44:18] I'm trying to try to understand
[2:44:19] what we did.
[2:44:22] Did we give them an open
[2:44:23] checkbook or do we have some
[2:44:23] guardrails?
[2:44:24] That's what I'm trying to
[2:44:27] determine So yes, that is
[2:44:27] correct.
[2:44:28] 5% is the max allowable?
[2:44:28] They still have to justify
[2:44:32] submit a request to justify
[2:44:32] the 5% would be the maximum.
[2:44:36] I do want to clarify the term.
[2:44:37] The additional term is a full
[2:44:38] five years that was requested
[2:44:41] by the department.
[2:44:46] If there is an idea to do one
[2:44:47] year with for one additional
[2:44:47] one year options that could be
[2:44:51] a change to the amendment as
[2:44:51] well.
[2:44:51] >> Okay.
[2:44:54] So you guys did a straight
[2:44:54] five.
[2:44:55] Interesting.
[2:44:55] So you had different intentions
[2:44:58] coming here today.
[2:44:59] Is that what we're to
[2:45:08] understand I guess that's okay.
[2:45:08] Don't worry about it.
[2:45:09] I'll conclude there and turn it
[2:45:13] over to my colleague.
[2:45:13] All right.
[2:45:14] Thank you.
[2:45:15] COUNCILMAN Foster will go to
[2:45:20] council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee.
[2:45:22] >> This is getting difficult
[2:45:28] There.
[2:45:28] I hear you.
[2:45:29] But the needed for the software
[2:45:33] and why it's valuable I think
[2:45:34] that's come across pretty
[2:45:34] easily.
[2:45:35] I think I'm just perplexed at
[2:45:37] the timelines here and as
[2:45:38] Councilmember Foster just
[2:45:38] pointed out, the first five
[2:45:39] years of the sole source
[2:45:42] contract that we already
[2:45:43] approved in 2022 already
[2:45:46] allowed for 3% annual increases
[2:45:46] But it factored in
[2:45:47] the potential that if we were
[2:45:51] to extend it that the annual
[2:45:53] increases would jump to 5%
[2:45:53] instead of 3%.
[2:45:59] Is that correct?
[2:46:00] >> So if we if we extend this
[2:46:02] the next even two years right
[2:46:03] now it's accounting for a 5%
[2:46:03] increase inflation factor which
[2:46:07] was a jump over the 3% that was
[2:46:08] built into the original five
[2:46:12] year contract.
[2:46:17] So the 5% is part of the new
[2:46:17] contract amendment negotiations
[2:46:18] and was not included in
[2:46:23] the original contract.
[2:46:24] >> So you started the process
[2:46:29] to consider extending this
[2:46:30] contract in JANUARY?
[2:46:33] That is correct.
[2:46:34] When was the approval for
[2:46:41] the sole source given
[2:46:41] the official memo that was
[2:46:42] approved and signed by
[2:46:45] purchasing and contracting was
[2:46:50] JUNE 4th I believe.
[2:46:51] >> And so it's from JANUARY to
[2:46:55] JUNE.
[2:46:55] I mean it sounded like when
[2:46:56] Councilmember Little River was
[2:46:57] asking the decision was made
[2:46:59] somewhat early on that
[2:47:00] the preference would be
[2:47:04] the sole source.
[2:47:05] Yes, there was a recommendation
[2:47:09] that came out on transportation
[2:47:14] working with pnc on options on
[2:47:14] how to extend services with
[2:47:19] this vendor if you don't mind
[2:47:19] me asking especially since you
[2:47:20] know this has to go through
[2:47:23] purchasing and contracting and
[2:47:24] and you know when you go
[2:47:25] through that process you check
[2:47:28] a number of boxes for what
[2:47:28] would justify a sole source
[2:47:31] contract And one of those I
[2:47:32] believe is something about
[2:47:37] market competition and
[2:47:37] understanding whether the city
[2:47:38] would benefit from a
[2:47:39] competitive process And that
[2:47:39] was not correct.
[2:47:41] I mean I would imagine if we
[2:47:43] had done an rfp or even a loose
[2:47:46] evaluation of vendors it would
[2:47:47] not be difficult for us to come
[2:47:51] back and say the argument that
[2:47:51] you've made which is that this
[2:47:52] is the best vendor option we
[2:47:56] have limited options to come up
[2:47:56] with that but I don't doesn't
[2:47:57] feel like that's actually been
[2:48:01] confirmed In this particular
[2:48:01] case a formal rfi was not
[2:48:05] requested from the department
[2:48:06] in their justification to both
[2:48:10] purchasing and to I believe
[2:48:10] the attorney's office.
[2:48:11] They indicated that they had
[2:48:14] done their own market research
[2:48:15] and did not find any additional
[2:48:15] firms.
[2:48:16] That was part of their
[2:48:18] justification and
[2:48:23] the department's justification
[2:48:23] .
[2:48:24] How long does it typically take
[2:48:25] to conduct an rfi, an rfp
[2:48:29] typically less than 30 days can
[2:48:30] be as quick as a department
[2:48:34] like so even if that was a box
[2:48:34] that we wanted to check, that
[2:48:37] would not have been a difficult
[2:48:38] box to have checked at the end
[2:48:39] of a five year contract term
[2:48:45] for a sole source contract.
[2:48:46] Is there a reason why we didn't
[2:48:54] do that?
[2:48:55] I can perhaps answer that
[2:48:59] question, COUNCILMAN Really?
[2:49:00] So the contract itself is house
[2:49:04] because it's software in our
[2:49:09] I.T fiscal division and so from
[2:49:10] when they start the preparation
[2:49:14] of the renewal of the contract
[2:49:15] because it's expiring they
[2:49:15] coordinated with the engineers
[2:49:20] that actually use the software
[2:49:20] and so forth and based on
[2:49:24] the engineers input it would
[2:49:25] take a lot of work trying to
[2:49:29] you know migrate all of this
[2:49:29] historical data.
[2:49:30] The inventory that we have
[2:49:34] that's been program as part of
[2:49:35] the open gov cadre graph into a
[2:49:39] new platform So they took those
[2:49:43] into considerations As far as
[2:49:44] the length that it would take
[2:49:44] to migrate all that information
[2:49:48] because we're doing the payment
[2:49:49] condition assessment this year
[2:49:53] and having collecting all that
[2:49:53] pci data for the streets and
[2:49:58] putting it into Carter graph
[2:49:58] and needing to have that Carter
[2:49:59] graph be available so that we
[2:50:02] can compare that with the 2023
[2:50:02] assessment that was done That
[2:50:07] was also in Carter Graph So we
[2:50:08] could do an apples to apples
[2:50:08] comparison.
[2:50:12] So you're right that there
[2:50:13] could have been an I done as
[2:50:17] far as I know there is a
[2:50:18] competitor called Street Saver
[2:50:18] that that could be done that
[2:50:22] actually used streets They were
[2:50:23] working for other municipal
[2:50:23] agencies and it also has its
[2:50:27] ups and Dallas just like Carter
[2:50:27] Graph does and so the engineers
[2:50:28] coordinating with our I.T
[2:50:31] fiscal team decided that it
[2:50:35] would be best if we just had
[2:50:36] the extension for this contract
[2:50:37] because of all the work that's
[2:50:40] been invested putting
[2:50:41] everything into this Carter
[2:50:42] graph the five years we think
[2:50:45] is a sufficient time but
[2:50:46] certainly we can we can go out
[2:50:49] to bid with the two year
[2:50:50] extension and see what else is
[2:50:54] out there.
[2:50:55] So when council PRESIDENT Like
[2:50:58] I've asked in the beginning
[2:50:59] when you kick us off about just
[2:51:00] extending it two years instead
[2:51:03] of five whether that would be
[2:51:04] feasible I had an immediate
[2:51:04] frustration when you ask that
[2:51:08] council PRESIDENT Because
[2:51:09] the answer was not yes, that's
[2:51:09] possible And here's the time
[2:51:12] from which we could be done.
[2:51:13] The answer was it's really hard
[2:51:17] to make a switch and therefore
[2:51:18] we didn't look at it.
[2:51:22] And then now I'm hearing
[2:51:22] the actual answer to how long
[2:51:25] it takes to conduct an rfp is
[2:51:31] 30 days.
[2:51:31] I don't have any more questions
[2:51:32] at the moment.
[2:51:35] Council PRESIDENT I think
[2:51:36] clearly there is a lot more
[2:51:37] work and information to be
[2:51:41] provided here and a little bit
[2:51:42] more due diligence on our side
[2:51:42] to to get this across
[2:51:43] the finish line.
[2:51:45] And so if I could request that
[2:51:48] we return this item to staff re
[2:51:49] docketed the first week after
[2:51:49] returning from legislative
[2:51:50] recess that can give us enough
[2:51:55] time to engage with pnc on a
[2:51:55] potential rfi if the if
[2:51:56] the timeline is truly 30 days
[2:51:58] as well as to give the aba's
[2:51:59] office enough time to finish
[2:52:00] their assessment and provide a
[2:52:03] recommendation.
[2:52:04] Well now that you've made that
[2:52:08] COUNCILMAN Whitburn here on
[2:52:09] the lights Thank you.
[2:52:09] I'm excited.
[2:52:13] So I'll just have a few
[2:52:13] questions here.
[2:52:19] >> So the decision not to do an
[2:52:25] rfi was housed in it.
[2:52:26] >> So this was a joint effort
[2:52:30] between I.T team and
[2:52:31] engineering and has a
[2:52:35] management team we use
[2:52:36] the software and pnc
[2:52:41] recommendations Can I MAY a
[2:52:42] support when you say that I.T
[2:52:43] team and the engineering team
[2:52:46] you mean the teams within
[2:52:46] the transportation department?
[2:52:47] That is correct.
[2:52:47] So okay I gotcha.
[2:52:54] Okay thank you.
[2:52:55] >> So I think you make a very
[2:53:00] compelling strong case for why
[2:53:00] it could very well make sense
[2:53:05] to stay with the same vendor
[2:53:05] because you get an apples to
[2:53:10] apples comparison that way.
[2:53:10] But that's also going to be
[2:53:14] true in perpetuity.
[2:53:15] You set yourself up for a
[2:53:16] situation where we can never
[2:53:20] switch platforms because to do
[2:53:20] so would inherently result in
[2:53:21] forgoing the apples to apples
[2:53:27] comparison.
[2:53:28] Is there a cost associated with
[2:53:33] doing that rfi Or is it just
[2:53:34] you just send it out and see
[2:53:34] what you get back?
[2:53:35] I mean is it literally that
[2:53:42] simple?
[2:53:43] There is no cost associated
[2:53:44] with doing an rfi.
[2:53:48] It is just us The city would
[2:53:48] identify what their needs are
[2:53:49] to see who MAY be able to
[2:53:49] fulfill them.
[2:53:53] It's just a very simple
[2:53:54] response If we get a response
[2:53:54] from interested parties that
[2:53:58] show that they MAY have
[2:53:59] available products then we
[2:54:00] would have to do a full blown
[2:54:00] rfp.
[2:54:04] Is there any reason why we
[2:54:04] can't just make it a city
[2:54:05] policy that any time we've got
[2:54:10] a contract up for renewal we
[2:54:10] just do an rfi And is there any
[2:54:14] downside to just doing that?
[2:54:15] >> a Typically we will do
[2:54:16] instead of doing an rfi we will
[2:54:19] do an invitation to beta rfp.
[2:54:20] We will skip the step because
[2:54:21] it's not necessary In this
[2:54:25] instance the department had
[2:54:25] indicated there were no viable
[2:54:30] companies and that's why that
[2:54:31] step was not taken.
[2:54:35] But typically an rfi is just to
[2:54:36] see what's in the marketplace.
[2:54:36] Otherwise we will follow a
[2:54:40] regular procurement process.
[2:54:40] Okay.
[2:54:41] So it sounds like the one
[2:54:45] instance in which we don't
[2:54:46] solicit the potential for other
[2:54:47] bidders is where we go into it
[2:54:51] thinking that it's going to be
[2:54:52] a sole source.
[2:54:52] But that's sort of a
[2:54:53] self-fulfilling prophecy.
[2:54:57] I mean wouldn't even in a
[2:54:58] situation where we think
[2:54:58] there's only one qualified
[2:55:03] company wouldn't it behooves us
[2:55:04] to at least do the rfi anyway
[2:55:05] because you don't know what you
[2:55:05] don't know.
[2:55:08] Let's see what we get back.
[2:55:08] Yes, certainly.
[2:55:09] So is there anything else I
[2:55:13] mean in your mind from where
[2:55:14] you said is there any downside
[2:55:15] in just making a policy that we
[2:55:19] always whether it's you know,
[2:55:19] something new or a renewal do
[2:55:25] some sort of competitive
[2:55:25] outreach?
[2:55:26] >> Yes, certainly we can do
[2:55:31] that at minimum it would be an
[2:55:31] rfi but for the most part it
[2:55:32] would be an invitation later a
[2:55:35] request for proposal.
[2:55:36] Do you need something from us
[2:55:37] to effectuate that or is that
[2:55:37] something that we could just do
[2:55:41] going forward Now we can do
[2:55:41] that going forward.
[2:55:42] Okay.
[2:55:42] Thank you.
[2:55:47] I appreciate that.
[2:55:48] Last question just in regard to
[2:55:53] the timing, SEPTEMBER seems
[2:55:53] like sorry JANUARY seems a
[2:55:58] little late to have gotten
[2:55:59] started on this anyway.
[2:56:05] Was there any reason why we
[2:56:05] wouldn't have started on that a
[2:56:06] little bit sooner than that
[2:56:11] anyway Or was it just again
[2:56:12] because we decided it was to be
[2:56:12] a sole source and didn't that
[2:56:17] we did a damage type?
[2:56:18] Well, but I mean even if we did
[2:56:18] decide there was a sole source
[2:56:19] here we are.
[2:56:19] Okay.
[2:56:21] So it did result in kind of a
[2:56:22] crunch time I believe
[2:56:22] the division's process back
[2:56:27] then was to start the process
[2:56:28] of renewal 9 to 12 months prior
[2:56:33] to the contract expiration
[2:56:33] date.
[2:56:34] In this case unfortunately they
[2:56:37] ended up being more towards
[2:56:37] the nine months prior to
[2:56:38] the expiration date.
[2:56:43] Since then we have reviewed our
[2:56:44] internal process and updated
[2:56:45] our tracking tools, our
[2:56:50] contract dashboard to make sure
[2:56:50] that we will start any future
[2:56:51] process of contract renewal
[2:56:56] earlier too to not get into
[2:56:57] the same situation again.
[2:56:57] Okay, good.
[2:56:57] All right.
[2:57:02] So so basically going forward
[2:57:03] you don't anticipate this
[2:57:03] occurrence again with
[2:57:04] the timing?
[2:57:04] Okay.
[2:57:10] What's let's just add a little
[2:57:10] bit kind from my perspective to
[2:57:11] that side.
[2:57:11] I think transportation like
[2:57:14] they usually do in goods and
[2:57:15] services contracts that are not
[2:57:15] necessarily it When we look at
[2:57:20] what the contracts like to use
[2:57:20] bringing forward for whether or
[2:57:21] not they're doing like they're
[2:57:22] starting this process 2 or 3
[2:57:25] years before a contract expires
[2:57:26] those contracts I assume are
[2:57:26] probably not as typically in
[2:57:32] transportation to your house if
[2:57:32] they are in it.
[2:57:33] But I mentioned that might be
[2:57:34] some of the one department does
[2:57:34] 9 to 12 months that make sense
[2:57:37] where goods and services
[2:57:38] contract for Nike contract
[2:57:39] which is a service but it's a
[2:57:39] specific type right longer kind
[2:57:43] of time horizon for evaluating
[2:57:43] that's probably more
[2:57:44] appropriate.
[2:57:45] Makes perfect sense to me.
[2:57:49] My only interest is just
[2:57:49] hopefully what we can do to
[2:57:50] avoid some of the situations in
[2:57:55] the future that seems to be if
[2:57:56] we're doing rfi is going
[2:57:57] forward on a regular basis in
[2:58:00] this sort of a situation and
[2:58:01] have a process in place so that
[2:58:02] we don't get into the time
[2:58:07] crunch like we did here and
[2:58:08] we've addressed the root causes
[2:58:13] of these issues.
[2:58:14] So based on that I'll be
[2:58:15] supportive of the motion that
[2:58:18] my colleagues still want to
[2:58:19] move forward with it.
[2:58:19] Do you have a second?
[2:58:20] Yeah.
[2:58:20] Yeah.
[2:58:20] Okay.
[2:58:25] So before going back to
[2:58:26] Councilmember Ella were there
[2:58:26] and cooling off a little bit I
[2:58:31] think go to your suggestion to
[2:58:31] return this to staff.
[2:58:32] I think a lot of questions and
[2:58:33] a lot of confusion, a lot of
[2:58:36] frustration on the council That
[2:58:37] doesn't all add up to a good
[2:58:38] thoughtful informed vote.
[2:58:42] We do need six We MAY only have
[2:58:48] six here So it cuts it even
[2:58:48] finer by waiting till AUGUST.
[2:58:53] So I'm going to take
[2:58:54] the privilege of the chair and
[2:58:55] I am going to call for a vote
[2:58:56] because we are clearly in
[2:59:00] deliberations that we simply
[2:59:06] return it to staff and with us
[2:59:06] to be docketed the first or
[2:59:11] second week back there and that
[2:59:12] should give you enough time to
[2:59:17] a brief council members on this
[2:59:17] .
[2:59:18] It should give you enough time
[2:59:19] to perhaps have a rfi on
[2:59:23] the street by then That might
[2:59:23] give us some formative answers.
[2:59:24] It MAY give you time to explain
[2:59:30] why the open cut bid is dated
[2:59:35] FEBRUARY 25th and it might also
[2:59:36] explain why open go find
[2:59:36] the amendment On SEPTEMBER
[2:59:44] 23rd, 1986 Look it up It's real
[2:59:45] so those questions can be
[2:59:50] answered And with the courtesy
[2:59:55] of my colleague to second on
[2:59:56] the original motion I think
[2:59:56] sending this back so that we
[2:59:57] can all build a better
[3:00:01] confidence it narrows it down.
[3:00:02] We would just be returning to
[3:00:06] the staff everything else that
[3:00:07] I said would be a request given
[3:00:12] what council has said yet just
[3:00:13] make sure I'm understanding so
[3:00:14] that instead of the motion in
[3:00:18] front of us we would be voting
[3:00:19] to send it back to staff,
[3:00:19] correct?
[3:00:27] Yeah, I'm certainly supportive
[3:00:27] of that and I appreciate
[3:00:28] the questions that colleagues
[3:00:28] have asked.
[3:00:31] I think and Catherine Whitburn
[3:00:32] was getting to this the general
[3:00:32] like standard approach of at
[3:00:37] minimum seeing what else is out
[3:00:37] there.
[3:00:38] I just don't I don't see what
[3:00:40] the city has to lose in that
[3:00:47] situation And I'm going to say
[3:00:48] it even it's going to people
[3:00:48] off.
[3:00:53] This is why we want someone in
[3:00:53] charge who's across the board
[3:00:59] is standardizing practices and
[3:00:59] procedures for things like this
[3:01:05] And there's people in the room
[3:01:06] who are bosses but the boss is
[3:01:12] not here and that's why we get
[3:01:12] frustrated It speak for myself
[3:01:13] that's what I get frustrated
[3:01:14] And the refusal to acknowledge
[3:01:20] the benefits of having a person
[3:01:21] who is solely focused on
[3:01:22] the operations of the city who
[3:01:26] can speak to and answer for
[3:01:27] the way things are done at an
[3:01:28] operational level.
[3:01:32] So I'm very supportive of this
[3:01:33] Going back I have no idea why
[3:01:33] this wouldn't be common
[3:01:38] practice and I'll just have
[3:01:39] this part and this isn't even
[3:01:39] like I said out of the heat of
[3:01:44] the moment it's just a feeling
[3:01:44] that continues to persist.
[3:01:50] It's that the governance of
[3:01:50] this council at times feels
[3:01:51] like an inconvenience and it
[3:01:55] can't work that way because
[3:01:56] time and time again the council
[3:02:02] I think actually really works
[3:02:03] to make sure that we're keeping
[3:02:04] the gears turning in the way
[3:02:08] that we know they have to turn.
[3:02:09] But taking that for granted and
[3:02:14] pushing us in a corner is also
[3:02:15] it just it's not the way and
[3:02:19] finding ways around us being
[3:02:20] able to govern in the way that
[3:02:21] we we need to govern is also
[3:02:21] not acceptable.
[3:02:26] So I'm glad to see this to be
[3:02:26] returned and I appreciate
[3:02:27] the attention to detail that
[3:02:31] you just provided and I surely
[3:02:32] hope that in the future
[3:02:37] the very, very basic question
[3:02:38] of who else is out there that
[3:02:39] could have offered this and
[3:02:43] could they have offered it at a
[3:02:44] similar product at a better
[3:02:45] price at a bare minimum That is
[3:02:45] a question that every single of
[3:02:49] our constituents deserves an
[3:02:50] answer to and we should be able
[3:02:51] provide an accurate answer to
[3:02:51] that.
[3:02:52] >> Thank you.
[3:02:52] All right.
[3:02:55] So we have a motion by myself
[3:02:56] in a second by council member
[3:02:57] Eli Rivera to return this item
[3:03:02] to staff And we'll go next to
[3:03:02] Councilmember Whitman Just very
[3:03:03] briefly I wanted to check and
[3:03:04] see what is the timing because
[3:03:10] I tried to work.
[3:03:11] Councilmember Yes.
[3:03:17] So you have our commitment that
[3:03:18] we will come back at that time
[3:03:18] frame.
[3:03:19] We will have issued an rfp at
[3:03:22] that point and we'll have a
[3:03:23] full understanding about what
[3:03:24] the local market will bear And
[3:03:24] then you'll have in front of
[3:03:28] you a determination with
[3:03:29] the full facts about whether or
[3:03:30] not the sole source is
[3:03:34] appropriate at that time If not
[3:03:35] if you choose not to vote for
[3:03:36] the sole source at that time
[3:03:36] based on information that's in
[3:03:40] front of you will have a lapse
[3:03:41] in the software package at that
[3:03:41] time.
[3:03:41] But we'll have to determine
[3:03:47] the road forward at that point.
[3:03:47] >> Okay.
[3:03:48] Thank you.
[3:03:48] All right.
[3:03:49] I think that's my weapon.
[3:03:52] We'll go next to council or
[3:03:53] excuse me we'll go back to
[3:03:54] Councilmember Bond Wolpert
[3:03:54] Thank you.
[3:03:55] >> I have a question.
[3:03:58] What does the contract expire
[3:03:59] SEPTEMBER 26th for What?
[3:04:03] And we were back from put it
[3:04:04] back on AUGUST 24th or 25th.
[3:04:05] Okay So you can do it before
[3:04:05] that?
[3:04:11] Yeah I got to any vote for this
[3:04:12] if it's expired So thank you.
[3:04:12] All right.
[3:04:15] Thank you Council member We'll
[3:04:16] go to Councilmember Campbell
[3:04:16] Thank you.
[3:04:17] >> Council PRESIDENT Just
[3:04:21] briefly want to make sure that
[3:04:22] I understand what this is about
[3:04:23] The oci, the overall condition
[3:04:27] index for city assets.
[3:04:32] I think I recall correctly that
[3:04:33] in 2023 what is involved with
[3:04:33] our streets in our city
[3:04:38] throughout our city and I
[3:04:39] believe that it has been many,
[3:04:40] many years much more than four
[3:04:44] I think even more than seven
[3:04:44] since that kind of an
[3:04:45] assessment had been made.
[3:04:51] And I also think I recall that
[3:04:51] they used some kind of
[3:04:56] ultrasound to check on
[3:04:57] the street And how many miles
[3:04:57] of streets do we have?
[3:04:58] It's an incredibly large number
[3:05:02] of is a very large city about
[3:05:03] 6600 miles.
[3:05:07] >> Well, I saw something in
[3:05:08] your about 6600 lanes laneways
[3:05:14] or something.
[3:05:14] Correct.
[3:05:15] Was lane way the same as a mile
[3:05:20] Lane Miles Lane miles.
[3:05:20] Okay.
[3:05:21] So we're doing both sides of
[3:05:21] the streets.
[3:05:25] It's a lot at any rate.
[3:05:26] >> Am I correct that it was an
[3:05:26] ultrasound kind of a machine?
[3:05:32] Yes, they do The laser when
[3:05:32] they do the assessment they
[3:05:33] have bands that does the laser
[3:05:34] evaluation of the street.
[3:05:37] So we're bouncing the light off
[3:05:38] the street to see the depth of
[3:05:39] the holes in the cracks etc.
[3:05:43] Correct.
[3:05:43] Okay.
[3:05:44] Well my understanding at
[3:05:44] the time was that that was kind
[3:05:50] of a new process and that this
[3:05:50] was one of the few companies
[3:05:51] that did it.
[3:05:55] Now am I correct in that or at
[3:05:55] that time it seemed like that
[3:05:56] was the only people who really
[3:06:01] could do this Is the really we
[3:06:02] think there is other if you're
[3:06:07] referring to the pavement
[3:06:08] condition assessment Council
[3:06:08] member that that one is we're
[3:06:09] doing the rfp for that
[3:06:13] currently We just pass that on
[3:06:14] to purchasing contracting to
[3:06:19] build an advertisement so that
[3:06:20] is in route to to be advertise.
[3:06:21] >> Okay so this contract is
[3:06:25] only for the software that
[3:06:26] the software correct Then goes
[3:06:27] our pci evaluation
[3:06:31] the deterioration curve
[3:06:32] modeling and so and then
[3:06:33] the recommendations for
[3:06:37] treatments It's that computer
[3:06:37] software.
[3:06:38] >> Okay well I agree with us
[3:06:39] Let's let's get it back there.
[3:06:43] Let's do the rfp.
[3:06:44] Let's change policy though so
[3:06:45] that whenever something comes
[3:06:49] up we do an rfp.
[3:06:50] I suggest we start at least 12
[3:06:51] months at a time because if
[3:06:54] you're doing the three
[3:06:55] different departments as you
[3:06:55] mentioned, it takes a lot of
[3:06:56] time for somebody to get
[3:06:59] together and get on the same
[3:07:00] page, etc. So I think I think
[3:07:06] we should start earlier and I'm
[3:07:07] glad that we're going to send
[3:07:08] it back and you're going to
[3:07:08] have a lot of work to do pretty
[3:07:12] quickly here.
[3:07:13] There MAY be other companies
[3:07:13] that in the ensuing three four
[3:07:14] years have come up with a
[3:07:17] method of doing it.
[3:07:19] As I recall, it took a year or
[3:07:19] two before that actual physical
[3:07:24] assessment of the oci took
[3:07:24] place and then we had to put it
[3:07:25] into computers and get it all
[3:07:29] organized right?
[3:07:30] So it's a long process and it's
[3:07:35] very worthwhile and it shows us
[3:07:35] which streets should be our
[3:07:36] priority to fix.
[3:07:37] And so I think it is very
[3:07:41] important.
[3:07:42] I'm glad it's going back.
[3:07:42] I'll be supportive of that and
[3:07:43] I wish you luck in speeding
[3:07:47] things up and being a little
[3:07:48] bit more on top And I'm
[3:07:49] interested in what the number
[3:07:53] of people show in regard to
[3:07:54] actually measuring the problems
[3:07:54] in the streets.
[3:07:59] Thank you.
[3:07:59] All right.
[3:08:00] Thank you Council member Okay.
[3:08:01] So the motion on the floor is
[3:08:05] to return it to staff.
[3:08:06] I made the motion Councilmember
[3:08:07] Sheila Rivera Seconded.
[3:08:09] Clerk Please call the roll.
[3:08:10] >> I'm sorry The voting system
[3:08:15] Please cast your vote That
[3:08:21] passes unanimously 7 to 0 with
[3:08:22] Council Councilmember
[3:08:23] originally Councilmember Campo
[3:08:23] Absent the accounts.
[3:08:24] PRESIDENT All right.
[3:08:27] Thank you to everybody in
[3:08:28] the Transportation Department
[3:08:28] And now getting these
[3:08:32] conversations and the work you
[3:08:33] do for us every day.
[3:08:34] So with that we will now take
[3:08:38] up non agenda public comment
[3:08:38] Council members respect and
[3:08:39] appreciate the public input and
[3:08:40] are fully committed to
[3:08:40] protecting every participant's
[3:08:45] free speech rights at council
[3:08:45] and committee meetings.
[3:08:46] >> Clerk Please proceed with
[3:08:46] public comment.
[3:08:47] Thank you.
[3:08:51] Council PRESIDENT For all $2.7
[3:08:52] million public comment is an
[3:08:52] opportunity for members of
[3:08:53] the public to comment on items
[3:08:56] that are not on the agenda but
[3:08:57] within the subject matter
[3:08:57] jurisdiction of the City
[3:08:58] Council.
[3:08:58] Each speaker will have two
[3:08:59] minutes.
[3:09:01] Please note if there are eight
[3:09:02] or more speakers on a single
[3:09:02] topic either in-person or
[3:09:03] virtual the maximum time for
[3:09:08] the topic will be 16 minutes.
[3:09:08] If you're in chambers please
[3:09:09] submit your speaker slip.
[3:09:10] If you're joining us virtually
[3:09:13] please raise your hand to speak
[3:09:14] by tapping the raise your hand
[3:09:14] icon or if your card
[3:09:15] participants start nine we can
[3:09:18] have Kate Callaghan please come
[3:09:19] up to the microphone.
[3:09:20] After that we have Paul Kruger,
[3:09:25] Yusef Miller, Maximilian
[3:09:26] Schmidt and allegedly Audra if
[3:09:26] you all can please come forward
[3:09:31] to the front row for better
[3:09:31] meeting management you can come
[3:09:32] up to the microphone and begin
[3:09:37] when ready for that.
[3:09:37] Much better.
[3:09:42] Thank you.
[3:09:43] My comments have to do with
[3:09:43] the closure of the Mission Bay
[3:09:47] restrooms On JULY 10th
[3:09:48] the Union-Tribune ran an
[3:09:48] editorial headlined Petulant
[3:09:53] City Closes Mission Bay
[3:09:54] Bathrooms to Punish Tax Weary
[3:09:54] Residents.
[3:09:59] The editors wrote this This
[3:10:00] decision isn't just obscenely
[3:10:00] elitist it's also dangerous on
[3:10:05] public health grounds.
[3:10:06] It is a punishment aimed at San
[3:10:07] Diegans who are increasingly
[3:10:11] hostile to the constant push
[3:10:11] for higher fees and taxes.
[3:10:16] And the savings are tiny
[3:10:16] $546,000.
[3:10:21] You could get that amount by
[3:10:21] eliminating five vacant city
[3:10:22] positions.
[3:10:22] It's time for residents to rise
[3:10:27] up and demand that elected
[3:10:28] leaders and their petty assault
[3:10:32] on their own constituents.
[3:10:33] Enough is enough.
[3:10:34] How many of you have ever been
[3:10:39] at Mission Bay Park with a four
[3:10:39] year old who desperately needs
[3:10:40] to use a restroom?
[3:10:45] Anybody?
[3:10:46] If you'd had that experience
[3:10:46] you would know why this rather
[3:10:51] small funding cut is having
[3:10:51] such a large impact and it
[3:10:52] seems incredibly cruel.
[3:10:57] The Union-Tribune suggests
[3:10:58] payroll cuts to restore
[3:10:58] the funding to keep
[3:10:59] the bathrooms open.
[3:11:03] We know you won't do that.
[3:11:04] You will not part with
[3:11:04] the staff.
[3:11:05] So let me suggest another way
[3:11:09] to pay for mission Bay
[3:11:10] Bathrooms To stay open you're
[3:11:14] going to spend 2.2 million to
[3:11:15] remodel a walkway near
[3:11:15] the Santa Fe depot.
[3:11:16] Think about that.
[3:11:20] You can find $2 million to
[3:11:21] beautify a downtown alleyway
[3:11:21] but you can't find a half
[3:11:26] million to keep public public
[3:11:27] beach restrooms open.
[3:11:32] So think about this.
[3:11:33] Get rid of some of
[3:11:33] the embellishments on
[3:11:34] the beautification of
[3:11:34] the alleyway.
[3:11:37] Take 600,000 out of that
[3:11:38] project and put it into
[3:11:38] the Mission bay bathrooms and
[3:11:39] keep them open.
[3:11:44] It's not too late.
[3:11:44] >> You can do this.
[3:11:45] Thank you for that comforting
[3:11:45] comment.
[3:11:49] Paula Kruger Thank you very
[3:11:49] much.
[3:11:50] I'm also here to talk about
[3:11:51] the Mission bay restrooms.
[3:11:55] You've seen this map of
[3:11:55] the closures.
[3:11:56] I don't know how you do it but
[3:12:00] you need to reopen these
[3:12:01] restrooms.
[3:12:01] It's vitally important.
[3:12:02] It's a matter of public health
[3:12:06] as you've read just a personal
[3:12:07] note, you have a comment from
[3:12:07] someone who's urging you to do
[3:12:12] whatever it takes to keep them
[3:12:13] open and said that they have a
[3:12:14] intestinal bowel disease called
[3:12:18] Crohn's disease.
[3:12:19] I had ulcerative colitis for 12
[3:12:19] years.
[3:12:20] You know there's a hundred
[3:12:24] hundreds of thousands of people
[3:12:25] who need to use the bathroom
[3:12:26] when they need to use it and
[3:12:26] that would mean not giving
[3:12:29] the mission back for these
[3:12:30] closures.
[3:12:31] I am not going to cast any
[3:12:31] blame.
[3:12:36] I'm not going to make any
[3:12:37] references to motivation about
[3:12:37] punishment.
[3:12:41] I don't care what it is or why
[3:12:42] we've done this But they need
[3:12:42] to be reopened.
[3:12:46] There's nine city council
[3:12:46] offices in the mayor's office
[3:12:50] that makes 1050 $4,000 from
[3:12:51] each of you.
[3:12:51] Kate suggestion about the alley
[3:12:56] is an excellent one.
[3:12:56] Look, if you can't find
[3:12:57] the money I guarantee you there
[3:13:02] are volunteer groups out there.
[3:13:03] I ran with them there.
[3:13:03] They're joggers, there's
[3:13:08] walkers.
[3:13:09] How many five kids can we have
[3:13:09] out there?
[3:13:10] There are people who will man
[3:13:11] these restaurants.
[3:13:13] I mean these restrooms If you
[3:13:14] can make some agreement with
[3:13:15] labor groups if that's what it
[3:13:18] takes.
[3:13:24] Lastly, I just want to say that
[3:13:24] I understand the budget
[3:13:25] restraints.
[3:13:29] I hope that you at the same
[3:13:29] time understand the skepticism
[3:13:35] and frustration of voters And
[3:13:36] if if 100,000 people could have
[3:13:40] heard what you just heard about
[3:13:41] what I will say is
[3:13:45] the incompetence of the city
[3:13:46] staff, then maybe you would
[3:13:47] understand again why people are
[3:13:51] reticent to vote.
[3:13:52] >> Thank you for that
[3:13:53] concluding comment.
[3:13:53] Yusef Miller If you can please
[3:14:02] come forward.
[3:14:03] >> My name is Yusef Miller
[3:14:03] Saving lives in Custody
[3:14:04] California and it is impossible
[3:14:07] for me to overstate how
[3:14:08] impactful MISS Kelly Davis was
[3:14:13] to the entire county of San
[3:14:13] Diego.
[3:14:13] And I want to highlight some of
[3:14:14] the things that makes her such
[3:14:18] a giant in our county that
[3:14:19] impacted not only our county
[3:14:19] but the entire state of
[3:14:20] California.
[3:14:23] In her research on in-custody
[3:14:24] deaths in San Diego County from
[3:14:25] city beat all the way up to
[3:14:29] Union-Tribune galvanized a
[3:14:29] organization of people making
[3:14:30] sure if we want to make change
[3:14:34] to that called Saving Lives in
[3:14:35] Custody campaign that saving
[3:14:36] lives in custody campaign
[3:14:39] inspired people to encourage
[3:14:40] the state to come in and look
[3:14:41] at San Diego County on
[3:14:45] the in-custody death rate That
[3:14:45] audit came in and decided that
[3:14:50] we have problems that we need
[3:14:51] to fix that sponsor a saving
[3:14:55] the Lives and Custody Act that
[3:14:56] was done by DR. Akilah Weber at
[3:14:57] the time she was assembly
[3:15:01] member and that bill made
[3:15:01] changes towards in-custody
[3:15:06] deaths with the pcc with a
[3:15:06] companion bill sb 519 Both of
[3:15:11] those passed into law from
[3:15:11] the background of in
[3:15:12] the foundation of the work of
[3:15:16] Kelly Davis when when this
[3:15:17] happened all of the state is
[3:15:18] looking at San Diego what's
[3:15:22] going on impact of family
[3:15:22] members that saw how they
[3:15:23] the family members here in San
[3:15:27] Diego were represented they
[3:15:27] also started doing the same
[3:15:28] things in Riverside County,
[3:15:32] L.A. County, northern state in
[3:15:32] Orange County.
[3:15:33] Everybody were inspired and
[3:15:38] stood up on the foundation of
[3:15:38] Kelly Davis and Jeff McDonald.
[3:15:42] This cannot be overstated on
[3:15:43] the value that it has to people
[3:15:47] who have lost lives in custody
[3:15:47] .
[3:15:48] These lives are on retrievable
[3:15:49] But what we can do and what we
[3:15:53] have been doing in jail and
[3:15:54] police reform is making sure
[3:15:55] that there are no more Elisa's
[3:15:55] attorneys.
[3:15:58] There are no more Matthew
[3:15:59] Settles, there are no more
[3:15:59] Heather Mills and so on.
[3:16:02] >> All of that is based on
[3:16:03] the work of Kelly Davis.
[3:16:03] >> Thank you.
[3:16:04] Thank you Maximilian Schmidt if
[3:16:06] you can please and please come
[3:16:11] forward.
[3:16:16] >> Hi.
[3:16:17] I'm really excited to spearhead
[3:16:20] this new idea that is
[3:16:21] forecasted to actually be in
[3:16:25] every urban city urban center
[3:16:26] in America as soon as the price
[3:16:27] of electric bicycles, electric
[3:16:31] scooters or electric one wheels
[3:16:36] on an electric skateboards gets
[3:16:36] cheaper, it's projected that
[3:16:37] more and more cities are going
[3:16:41] to have complete ban on all
[3:16:41] electric powered modes of
[3:16:46] transportation on strictly
[3:16:46] the sidewalks that is
[3:16:47] forecasted that every American
[3:16:51] city is going to completely ban
[3:16:55] electric powered things on
[3:16:56] sidewalks And San Diego is
[3:16:57] known as one of the most
[3:17:00] walkable cities.
[3:17:01] So we can spearhead the United
[3:17:05] States of America and making
[3:17:05] our sidewalks more comfortable
[3:17:06] and safer knowing the projected
[3:17:10] price of electric scooters,
[3:17:11] Skateboards are going to just
[3:17:16] get cheaper and cheaper.
[3:17:16] And how do we do this though?
[3:17:20] Because this is a big change.
[3:17:21] How do we do this without
[3:17:22] seeming almost tyrannical and
[3:17:25] how do we do this fast?
[3:17:26] I would like to try and fast
[3:17:30] track to this and I've even
[3:17:30] almost been killed by electric
[3:17:31] scooter walking down the street
[3:17:32] and it can be traumatizing.
[3:17:34] I say the fast track to this
[3:17:35] MAY be on our local news We say
[3:17:38] we're going to take a vote of
[3:17:39] do you think we should ban all
[3:17:40] electric motor transportation
[3:17:43] And I think it overwhelmingly
[3:17:44] people would vote yes.
[3:17:44] And for what it's worth if you
[3:17:48] are all like a skilled like
[3:17:48] electric skateboard or whatnot
[3:17:49] on many streets you can ride it
[3:17:53] safely on the street with a
[3:17:54] helmet And also we spend so
[3:17:58] much money on busses and
[3:17:59] the trolley and modes of
[3:18:00] transportation that people can
[3:18:03] use to keep our sidewalks
[3:18:04] peaceful that it's a shame that
[3:18:08] an electric powered scooter or
[3:18:09] something can ruin the sidewalk
[3:18:12] and we spend so much money on
[3:18:13] the trolley or on busses that
[3:18:13] are other modes of
[3:18:16] transportation.
[3:18:17] >> Thank you for that
[3:18:18] concluding comment allegedly.
[3:18:19] Andre if you can please come
[3:18:27] forward talk about in
[3:18:27] the shower or be in the role
[3:18:31] that dirty business is going
[3:18:31] on.
[3:18:32] It's so interesting to be a fly
[3:18:33] on the wall and see all these
[3:18:36] like eye raises going on like
[3:18:37] oh we're in trouble.
[3:18:41] Oh, just Broadway snub you so
[3:18:42] good.
[3:18:46] >> And speaking of that, I'd
[3:18:46] like to speak of the malicious
[3:18:47] nepotism that took place last
[3:18:51] week with the Emerald Hills
[3:18:52] though that was totally illegal
[3:18:52] because this item was not
[3:18:56] noticed properly And the fact
[3:19:00] that Monica Montgomery step got
[3:19:00] five minutes to come in and she
[3:19:01] spoke and her mother spoke
[3:19:05] right And they have a
[3:19:05] construction company who is
[3:19:09] contracted to work on this
[3:19:10] contract.
[3:19:10] >> So that's interesting.
[3:19:15] And then I wonder Henry, I mean
[3:19:15] is your construction company
[3:19:16] too or is that going to go
[3:19:19] through the services that
[3:19:20] the Montgomery's provide
[3:19:21] probably to hook your family
[3:19:21] up, Right?
[3:19:24] That's why you guys told me
[3:19:25] screwed over your community by
[3:19:30] using them using the black
[3:19:30] community saying we want to get
[3:19:31] you guys in housing which will
[3:19:34] Montgomery's will benefit from
[3:19:35] from the real estate.
[3:19:35] So that's interesting.
[3:19:39] I mean even Steve is so stupid
[3:19:40] to go online and admit to
[3:19:41] the money that's going to be
[3:19:44] made by that family like Monica
[3:19:45] Price should real women you
[3:19:46] know what I mean?
[3:19:49] Instead of having to me and
[3:19:49] like well what about all these
[3:19:50] other companies that are going
[3:19:51] to make money off of this
[3:19:53] project?
[3:19:54] >> Should we be looking at them
[3:19:54] too?
[3:19:55] And what's secure huh?
[3:19:59] So it's like fraud can continue
[3:19:59] because people are going to
[3:20:03] make money and all while you
[3:20:04] guys gaslight your own
[3:20:04] community.
[3:20:08] >> How sad is that Waiting for
[3:20:09] 50 years for a park and they're
[3:20:13] horribly against that project
[3:20:14] and you guys put profit over
[3:20:17] people.
[3:20:18] It's so sad.
[3:20:19] It's so sad because that was
[3:20:22] totally illegally done and I
[3:20:23] hope the community stalls this
[3:20:27] project and to no avail because
[3:20:28] of your guys's own negligence.
[3:20:32] >> Good job.
[3:20:33] >> I started the five minute
[3:20:33] timer going to those
[3:20:34] participating remotely.
[3:20:35] We currently have 16 people in
[3:20:36] the queue.
[3:20:37] >> Tell me if you can please
[3:20:41] unmute.
[3:20:41] >> Yes.
[3:20:41] Can you hear me?
[3:20:42] Yes.
[3:20:45] Please proceed.
[3:20:46] Yes I wanted to start by
[3:20:50] thanking you City Clerk Diana
[3:20:51] Fuentes and I want to thank
[3:20:51] Council PRESIDENT Joe LaCava
[3:20:52] for the tremendous work that
[3:20:55] you all did couple of weeks ago
[3:20:56] with saving the group
[3:20:56] presentations that were
[3:21:00] potentially on the chopping
[3:21:03] block in some places due to sb
[3:21:04] 707 Fantastic job on saving
[3:21:05] group presentations and not
[3:21:08] only saving them but extending
[3:21:09] them and enabling us to be able
[3:21:13] to conduct them online.
[3:21:14] I can't tell you how beneficial
[3:21:15] that is to someone like me who
[3:21:18] juggles work in the city but
[3:21:19] resides in the back country and
[3:21:20] I make a tremendous sacrifice
[3:21:23] to stay engaged both virtually
[3:21:23] and in person.
[3:21:28] I think that there is some more
[3:21:29] work that we could do I would
[3:21:32] really love I love that debate
[3:21:33] and both of those items were
[3:21:33] being discussed.
[3:21:36] There was the presentation by
[3:21:37] given by I believe her name is
[3:21:38] Victoria Brousseau.
[3:21:41] She was represents the planning
[3:21:42] groups and she was talking
[3:21:42] about the seat at the table.
[3:21:43] Now obviously this is something
[3:21:47] that they've been talking about
[3:21:47] for a long time and I don't
[3:21:48] expect you all to want like
[3:21:51] want to share or cede power
[3:21:52] with these groups.
[3:21:53] But I do think that it would be
[3:21:56] awesome if we could help
[3:21:57] facilitate something like what
[3:22:01] is done at council meetings at
[3:22:05] I'm sorry the County Board of
[3:22:06] Supervisors meetings during
[3:22:07] their planning commission
[3:22:10] meetings where they enable
[3:22:10] planning group members
[3:22:15] specifically like chairs or
[3:22:16] vice chairs to have a little
[3:22:16] bit more time to speak because
[3:22:20] they you know they respect and
[3:22:20] acknowledge that we often serve
[3:22:21] as liaisons to members of
[3:22:25] the public that don't always
[3:22:26] necessarily know about all
[3:22:26] the issues.
[3:22:30] And so they they come to us as
[3:22:31] sort of people that can help
[3:22:35] more readily and easily digest
[3:22:35] some of the I guess we're more
[3:22:36] accessible, right?
[3:22:39] You all are super busy making
[3:22:40] all the decisions on everything
[3:22:41] So when we get to see it this
[3:22:45] enables us to be able to
[3:22:46] communicate it and we can have
[3:22:46] a little bit more time to
[3:22:46] speak.
[3:22:50] It would be really beneficial
[3:22:52] but your time included Francine
[3:22:53] Maxwell If you can please
[3:22:58] unmute Ranking Maxwell
[3:22:58] Southeastern San Diego resident
[3:23:03] I'm hoping that before
[3:23:07] legislative break the same way
[3:23:08] that this is the previous items
[3:23:08] are going to come back early
[3:23:12] that the council decides to
[3:23:13] have something come back early
[3:23:16] that would help build trust as
[3:23:17] we're looking forward for you
[3:23:22] to approve the settlement for
[3:23:22] San Diego Police Department
[3:23:26] Sergeant Art Scott where you
[3:23:27] guys were at a committee
[3:23:27] meeting and I spoke about
[3:23:31] something being sealed and
[3:23:35] you're going to award him $3.1
[3:23:35] million which is absolutely
[3:23:36] wonderful.
[3:23:39] But we need to dig deeper.
[3:23:40] We need to go to the root cause
[3:23:44] of why the city of San Diego is
[3:23:45] about to pay Art Scott San
[3:23:48] Diego Police Department
[3:23:49] Sergeant $3.1 million.
[3:23:53] We need to make sure that
[3:23:54] policies and procedures for
[3:23:58] the four years that he has been
[3:23:59] punished by death duty that
[3:24:00] policies and procedures have
[3:24:03] changed.
[3:24:04] We need to have a hearing.
[3:24:05] We need to be shared.
[3:24:08] The cultural changes that have
[3:24:09] been put into place by
[3:24:13] the leadership of San Diego
[3:24:14] Police Department and we need
[3:24:14] to have a pre conversation
[3:24:18] about the layoffs lawsuit
[3:24:19] because you're going to settle
[3:24:20] with that police officer as
[3:24:23] well.
[3:24:24] So let's get ahead of it and
[3:24:25] let's have conversation
[3:24:28] intentional conversation
[3:24:29] because we do want to build
[3:24:33] trust between the community and
[3:24:34] the city council so that if you
[3:24:35] decide to come up with another
[3:24:39] tax and another fee we could
[3:24:39] really discuss it and get to
[3:24:43] the root cause of it of why
[3:24:44] we're being asked Again, we
[3:24:47] have a lot of things that we
[3:24:48] could build and we could begin
[3:24:49] to trust each other if we would
[3:24:52] have the hard conversations.
[3:24:53] So again utilize the idea
[3:24:58] utilize race and equity while
[3:24:58] we're on legislative break.
[3:25:01] Thank you Terence Kelly If you
[3:25:06] can please unmute.
[3:25:06] >> Good afternoon San Diego
[3:25:07] City Council.
[3:25:11] My name is Terry Ann Skelly.
[3:25:12] I'm a planning group member, a
[3:25:12] parent and a public health
[3:25:15] educator adding my support for
[3:25:16] the work of street maintenance
[3:25:20] and infrastructure considered
[3:25:21] in the agenda item earlier this
[3:25:21] afternoon.
[3:25:22] I'd like to include in
[3:25:22] the conversation that
[3:25:26] the conditions of many of our
[3:25:26] roads in the city have more
[3:25:30] rural lands adjoining them
[3:25:31] especially need upkeep.
[3:25:35] Also since the number of drunk
[3:25:35] and drug impaired traffic
[3:25:36] crashes increases during
[3:25:40] the summertime I have been very
[3:25:40] pleased to see these signs in
[3:25:41] my neighborhoods such as Don't
[3:25:45] be there I in dui, drive high,
[3:25:50] get a dui and especially buzzed
[3:25:50] driving is drunk driving.
[3:25:55] >> These are all near my house.
[3:25:55] San Diego Police Department is
[3:25:58] constantly reminding citizens
[3:25:59] that driving under
[3:26:00] the influence doesn't just
[3:26:04] refer to alcohol prescription
[3:26:05] medications, over-the-counter
[3:26:05] drugs and marijuana can also
[3:26:09] impair especially in
[3:26:10] combination with alcohol and
[3:26:10] other drugs.
[3:26:14] Recently the National Safety
[3:26:15] Council fact sheet repeated
[3:26:15] that and I quote It is unsafe
[3:26:18] to be under the influence of
[3:26:19] cannabis.
[3:26:19] Intoxicating cannabis products
[3:26:20] can have a major impact on
[3:26:24] safety on our roadways because
[3:26:24] marijuana use slows reaction
[3:26:29] time impacts short term memory
[3:26:33] and impairs skills essential to
[3:26:34] driving And quote These driving
[3:26:34] skills include the ability to
[3:26:38] judge traffic lane positions
[3:26:39] and subsequent lane weaving For
[3:26:43] all of these reasons my
[3:26:44] neighbors and me do not want an
[3:26:44] increase in access in marijuana
[3:26:48] sales here in San Diego.
[3:26:49] >> Thank you for hearing my
[3:26:50] concerns this afternoon.
[3:26:50] Thank you.
[3:26:54] Katherine Douglas if you can
[3:26:55] please unmute The five minute
[3:26:55] timer also concluded here in
[3:26:58] council chambers are 14
[3:26:59] speakers in the queue.
[3:26:59] No additional speakers will be
[3:27:03] taken.
[3:27:03] >> Please proceed.
[3:27:04] Good afternoon.
[3:27:05] I just like to say
[3:27:08] congratulations to those who
[3:27:08] were seated today on
[3:27:12] the Commission on Police
[3:27:12] Practices.
[3:27:13] I wish them good luck.
[3:27:17] I hope they are effective.
[3:27:21] I would also like to ask that
[3:27:22] one joining the Commission on
[3:27:26] Police Practices as well as
[3:27:27] those who are currently sitting
[3:27:30] on the board that they attend
[3:27:34] inside sd pd which is put on
[3:27:34] three times a year by the San
[3:27:35] Diego Police Foundation I
[3:27:40] believe I'm not sure that
[3:27:40] the date has been announced but
[3:27:45] I believe that the next inside
[3:27:46] sd pd will be in the month of
[3:27:48] NOVEMBER probably the first one
[3:27:52] of the first two Saturdays.
[3:27:53] That information can be found
[3:27:57] on the San Diego Police
[3:27:57] Foundation website and they
[3:27:58] will post it as soon as they
[3:28:01] have confirmed those one of
[3:28:02] those two dates.
[3:28:02] It's enlightening.
[3:28:06] It's fun, it's educational and
[3:28:11] it's important that people who
[3:28:11] are making decisions related to
[3:28:15] the police department attend
[3:28:20] this function and the San Diego
[3:28:20] Police Foundation would be
[3:28:21] happy to waive the normal
[3:28:26] surcharge for going.
[3:28:26] The other thing I'd like to
[3:28:30] speak on is the restrooms at
[3:28:30] the beaches.
[3:28:31] I have the privilege if I'm
[3:28:35] down there to whip homes but
[3:28:36] most people don't and I'm very
[3:28:39] afraid of another bay or
[3:28:40] whatever that disastrous thing
[3:28:45] was that cost the city tons of
[3:28:45] money.
[3:28:46] I think we need to find money
[3:28:50] to keep those restrooms open.
[3:28:50] Thank you.
[3:28:51] Thank you.
[3:28:51] Next is Barbara Gordon.
[3:28:54] If you can please unmute.
[3:28:59] Thank you.
[3:29:00] Of driving around San Diego
[3:29:01] it's hard to MISS Cannabis
[3:29:04] Advertisement or billboards
[3:29:05] promoting cannabis as a
[3:29:09] treatment for virtually every
[3:29:10] condition.
[3:29:10] We all want to reduce suffering
[3:29:14] but medicalised and
[3:29:15] commercializing of high potency
[3:29:19] and toxin has produced rising
[3:29:19] addiction poisoning premature
[3:29:24] cardiovascular disease,
[3:29:24] emergency rooms, traffic
[3:29:25] fatalities and serious
[3:29:29] psychiatric harms especially
[3:29:30] among our youth.
[3:29:33] Modern medicine has better
[3:29:34] tools to release suffering and
[3:29:34] we should use them.
[3:29:38] DR. Bertha Madras.
[3:29:39] She's a Harvard medical
[3:29:43] professor of psychobiology
[3:29:44] speaks to the rising rate of
[3:29:44] cannabis use disorder.
[3:29:48] It's claiming potency and
[3:29:49] the research linking marijuana
[3:29:53] to psychosis and schizophrenia
[3:29:57] which most psychiatry must
[3:29:58] agree as a contributing cause.
[3:30:02] And the L.A. Times editorial
[3:30:03] confirms the reality of
[3:30:03] cannabis use which is long
[3:30:08] predicted by experts
[3:30:08] the increased potency in
[3:30:13] particular daily and nearly
[3:30:13] daily consumption Addiction is
[3:30:17] real and it affects 1 in 10
[3:30:18] users and it's higher among
[3:30:18] heavy users.
[3:30:22] What's the serious medical help
[3:30:22] existing again with psychosis
[3:30:27] and psychiatric emergencies?
[3:30:27] The profit driven marijuana
[3:30:32] industry big weed mirrors
[3:30:33] the tactics of big tobacco and
[3:30:37] big alcohol.
[3:30:37] I urge the city to take
[3:30:41] stronger actions limiting
[3:30:42] marijuana businesses
[3:30:43] advertisement and marketing.
[3:30:47] Thank you very much for letting
[3:30:47] me speak.
[3:30:48] Thank you.
[3:30:49] It's 8700 if you can please.
[3:30:57] >> And you start six Joy
[3:30:58] Sinatra I'll be speaking on
[3:31:02] the structure of budget deficit
[3:31:03] in the Statement of Budgetary
[3:31:07] Principles which were approved
[3:31:13] at the last b n g e g, b, g and
[3:31:16] e meeting and the Council will
[3:31:17] look at the principles in late
[3:31:21] AUGUST So one word I want to
[3:31:26] point on the principle and
[3:31:27] we're going to we're going to
[3:31:28] go in a different direction but
[3:31:31] same topic The word any I spoke
[3:31:36] very strongly on this last year
[3:31:37] and what you're really keeping
[3:31:38] my fingers crossed that
[3:31:38] the word any would be
[3:31:41] eliminated from the structural
[3:31:42] budget from the statement of
[3:31:46] budgetary principles and so far
[3:31:50] it hasn't been So I researched
[3:31:51] the word any again and this
[3:31:55] these principles are pointing
[3:31:59] at one period f y 27 when it's
[3:32:04] one singular item and it's not
[3:32:09] apply in my understanding So it
[3:32:14] must reconsider getting rid of
[3:32:14] that word any We have a
[3:32:18] structural budget deficit And
[3:32:19] so here's what I'm going to
[3:32:23] switch gears just a little bit
[3:32:23] .
[3:32:24] What we just did on that last
[3:32:28] item was fabulous because he
[3:32:29] got me to shine a light on what
[3:32:33] we're missing on the structural
[3:32:33] budget deficit We're missing
[3:32:38] how to change it, how to
[3:32:39] improve it.
[3:32:39] Do you see we have
[3:32:40] the legislative branch and we
[3:32:43] have the executive branch.
[3:32:44] You know we have
[3:32:45] the operational end of it.
[3:32:48] It's apples and oranges And did
[3:32:49] you see how difficult it is to
[3:32:52] understand the resources they
[3:32:53] have, the processes they go to
[3:32:58] transfer dictation.
[3:32:59] What you did was beautiful and
[3:32:59] what the council did was
[3:33:02] beautiful.
[3:33:03] It has absolutely Your time has
[3:33:04] concluded Hector Ocampos And
[3:33:07] you Thanks Hector here.
[3:33:12] >> And that was very political,
[3:33:12] you guys.
[3:33:13] Man When most of you guys were
[3:33:16] dumbfounded when the city guys
[3:33:17] were saying Well I don't know
[3:33:18] how it happened.
[3:33:21] He did it does very political
[3:33:22] you guys.
[3:33:22] There's so many companies that
[3:33:27] can do that job but any more
[3:33:30] software programs it's Hey I
[3:33:31] now man you can take get all
[3:33:32] the information you've already
[3:33:35] paid for from that company.
[3:33:36] You own the rights to the data
[3:33:37] that haven't upgraded to
[3:33:40] the day It's over.
[3:33:41] Get the data and go to an A.I.
[3:33:45] Guy who could do it on I like
[3:33:46] in 20 minutes It's not that
[3:33:51] much to switch the data now.
[3:33:52] Now we can go to Elon Musk and
[3:33:52] ask him Hey Eli, can you give
[3:33:55] us a road map to all his cars
[3:34:00] Road map all this everywhere
[3:34:00] thousands of times a day in San
[3:34:01] Diego And he might just tweet
[3:34:04] bag and he might give us
[3:34:05] the information.
[3:34:05] He does it every day Potholes,
[3:34:09] everything for his cars So he
[3:34:10] might give it to us for
[3:34:10] nothing.
[3:34:14] We could just ask him or you
[3:34:15] guys might know someone who
[3:34:16] knows or know someone who knows
[3:34:19] them and we could just ask and
[3:34:20] we need help, you know we can't
[3:34:20] figure it out.
[3:34:23] We're given these no bid
[3:34:24] contracts out just on a whim
[3:34:29] and we're just supposed to take
[3:34:30] it And then the ibt guys
[3:34:33] the down sky they've got to
[3:34:33] work 20 hours a week.
[3:34:34] We could have them clean
[3:34:38] the bathroom, clean
[3:34:38] the bathrooms and clean
[3:34:43] the trash at the beaches, pick
[3:34:44] up all the trash.
[3:34:44] No more big trash trucks
[3:34:48] driving around the army, You
[3:34:49] guys we could have a thousand
[3:34:50] guys a day down there doing
[3:34:52] their four hours a week or 20
[3:34:53] hours a week.
[3:34:57] So that would be a lot of a lot
[3:34:58] of money And it would it's a
[3:35:02] nice job but it's pretty easy.
[3:35:03] It's out in the open And then
[3:35:07] plus when you got to go and
[3:35:08] you're older like me, you got
[3:35:09] to go There's no you got to go
[3:35:12] now Max if your time has
[3:35:13] concluded Dunning If you can
[3:35:19] please unmute.
[3:35:19] Good afternoon.
[3:35:20] My name is Chuck Dunning.
[3:35:24] I am a member of the Mission
[3:35:24] Bay Park Committee but today
[3:35:25] I'm speaking as a private
[3:35:26] citizen and everything I have
[3:35:28] to say is not reflective of any
[3:35:29] actions or opinions of
[3:35:33] the committee but I am
[3:35:34] extremely concerned of
[3:35:38] the effects going forward With
[3:35:39] half of the restrooms in
[3:35:39] Mission Bay Park being closed
[3:35:43] and I think that at this point
[3:35:44] it's it's relatively recent and
[3:35:49] you're only beginning to hear
[3:35:50] the blowback that's going to
[3:35:50] come from this.
[3:35:54] The county samples mission, Bay
[3:35:54] Park and the other county
[3:35:57] beaches every week and the last
[3:35:58] week three beaches in Mission
[3:35:59] Bay Park were yellow flag for
[3:36:02] unhealthy levels of human waste
[3:36:03] bacteria.
[3:36:04] Can you stop and imagine what's
[3:36:08] going to happen when half of
[3:36:08] these restrooms are closed?
[3:36:09] And I think I've heard other
[3:36:09] solutions.
[3:36:12] This is not just a complaint
[3:36:13] but there is a solution out
[3:36:14] there Also you all know about
[3:36:17] the Golf Enterprise Fund.
[3:36:18] It sits with $5.5 million right
[3:36:18] now.
[3:36:19] It was established when
[3:36:22] the golf courses were not
[3:36:22] making money to make sure there
[3:36:23] was money for maintenance.
[3:36:26] Well now all three courses are
[3:36:27] making good money and they can
[3:36:27] certainly fund their own
[3:36:28] maintenance.
[3:36:30] Matter of fact, Mission Bay
[3:36:31] Golf Course just opened a brand
[3:36:32] new restaurant so I don't
[3:36:36] understand why the Park and Rec
[3:36:36] department which covers both
[3:36:37] the Mission Bay Park and
[3:36:41] the golf courses cannot tap
[3:36:44] the Golf Enterprise Fund for
[3:36:48] 546,000 of that 5.5 million for
[3:36:49] a short term loan to get these
[3:36:50] bathrooms cleaned.
[3:36:53] I think you all ought to also
[3:36:54] ask the park and rec department
[3:36:54] at the end of the summer just
[3:36:55] how much money was saved When
[3:36:59] you look at the extra any extra
[3:36:59] maintenance that's going to
[3:37:02] occur with 13 bathrooms being
[3:37:02] open and used by the same
[3:37:03] amount of hundred thousand
[3:37:07] people a day, you know Mission
[3:37:08] Bay Park is the front door to
[3:37:11] this city and we've just now
[3:37:12] locked 13 of those doors.
[3:37:13] >> Thank you.
[3:37:16] Thank you.
[3:37:17] Cynthia, if you can please
[3:37:21] unmute Cynthia Knapp.
[3:37:22] Good afternoon Council members.
[3:37:26] My name is Cynthia Knapp.
[3:37:27] I would say San Diego is
[3:37:28] Alcohol Tobacco and other drug
[3:37:31] prevention program.
[3:37:31] I'm here today with the Policy
[3:37:32] Research Center for Tobacco in
[3:37:33] the Environment.
[3:37:36] It's a collaboration between
[3:37:37] say San Diego and San Diego
[3:37:37] State University.
[3:37:38] I would like to comment on a
[3:37:41] smoke free outdoor dining
[3:37:41] policy.
[3:37:42] San Diego proudly and
[3:37:46] rightfully promotes itself as a
[3:37:46] healthy outdoor oriented city.
[3:37:47] This is a city where people
[3:37:51] enjoy active lifestyle and
[3:37:51] vibrant public spaces year
[3:37:52] round outdoor dining is a big
[3:37:55] part of that identity.
[3:37:56] Families and residents and
[3:37:57] visitors gather on restaurant
[3:37:57] patios across our city
[3:38:01] expecting a clean and welcoming
[3:38:01] environment When speaking with
[3:38:02] community members they are
[3:38:05] often surprised to learn that
[3:38:06] there are no policies in
[3:38:07] the city of San Diego making
[3:38:11] all outdoor dining smoke free.
[3:38:11] And this goes beyond
[3:38:12] the well-documented dangers of
[3:38:13] secondhand smoke when patrons
[3:38:16] smoke or vape they leave behind
[3:38:16] toxic residue that can linger
[3:38:17] on tables and other surfaces.
[3:38:20] This residue contains more than
[3:38:24] 25 chemicals listed under
[3:38:24] California's Prop 65 as
[3:38:25] hazardous to human health
[3:38:25] including nicotine and other
[3:38:29] cancer causing chemicals.
[3:38:30] Even after smoking stops,
[3:38:30] patrons can pick up and absorb
[3:38:34] this residue simply by touching
[3:38:34] the tables and surfaces in
[3:38:35] the outdoor dining areas.
[3:38:39] If you've ever taken a baby or
[3:38:40] a toddler to a restaurant, you
[3:38:40] know that everything on those
[3:38:41] tables is primed for going
[3:38:44] right into their mouths When
[3:38:44] the table is layered in toxic
[3:38:45] residue on this innocent reflex
[3:38:48] becomes a serious health
[3:38:48] hazard.
[3:38:49] Neighboring jurisdictions with
[3:38:53] this policy in place include in
[3:38:54] alphabetical order Carlsbad,
[3:38:54] Chula Vista, Coronado, Del Mar,
[3:38:58] Encinitas, Imperial Beach, La
[3:38:59] mesa, National City, Solana
[3:38:59] Beach and the unincorporated
[3:39:03] area.
[3:39:03] Adopting a comprehensive smoke
[3:39:04] free outdoor dining policy
[3:39:05] would reinforce San Diego's
[3:39:08] identity as a city that values
[3:39:09] health and safe public spaces.
[3:39:10] It would also seem to clear and
[3:39:13] consistent message that places
[3:39:13] where people gather to eat
[3:39:14] should be free from unwanted
[3:39:17] secondhand smoke and
[3:39:18] the corresponding residue.
[3:39:19] Thank you for your time and for
[3:39:19] the attention being given to
[3:39:20] this issue.
[3:39:22] We appreciate the opportunity
[3:39:23] to share our working to be a
[3:39:24] resource for the community.
[3:39:25] Thank you Ocean If you can
[3:39:30] please unmute.
[3:39:30] Good afternoon Council members.
[3:39:31] My name is Eric Fletcher.
[3:39:34] I'm a San Diego resident open
[3:39:35] water swimmer conservationist.
[3:39:36] I'm here to voice my strong
[3:39:40] opposition to the pending
[3:39:40] permit for the La Hoya Plus
[3:39:41] odor abatement program.
[3:39:44] Provide evidence of a multiyear
[3:39:45] unpermitted spraying program.
[3:39:46] And request an immediate
[3:39:46] immediate city auditor
[3:39:49] investigation into
[3:39:50] the permitting gap and
[3:39:50] potential misallocation of
[3:39:51] public funds.
[3:39:54] On MAY 1st, 2017 the city
[3:39:54] published its Marine Coastal
[3:39:55] Management Plan for La Hoya
[3:39:59] pledging to comply with state
[3:39:59] and federal coastal
[3:39:59] regulations.
[3:40:00] Yet city internal logs reveal
[3:40:02] they executed 120 spray
[3:40:06] applications between 2017 and
[3:40:07] 2023 with the first spring
[3:40:08] occurring with just three days
[3:40:08] after the publication.
[3:40:11] Further 112 of those runs
[3:40:11] occurred during federally
[3:40:12] protected bird nesting and
[3:40:15] marine mammal popping windows.
[3:40:16] Via email.
[3:40:16] City administration confirmed
[3:40:17] that they failed to obtain a
[3:40:20] coastal development permit a
[3:40:21] waste to charge waiver or
[3:40:21] letter of authorization from
[3:40:24] noa Fisheries for any of these
[3:40:25] phrase bypassing public comment
[3:40:26] and transparency.
[3:40:26] This project is framed as
[3:40:29] environmentally friendly but
[3:40:30] the surfactant use presents a
[3:40:30] severe threat to marine life
[3:40:31] and human health.
[3:40:34] I've learned that sprays MAY be
[3:40:35] damaging our giant kelp.
[3:40:36] These surfactants can dissolve
[3:40:39] the protected mucilage layer
[3:40:39] and prevent microscopic Spore
[3:40:40] Reef attachment.
[3:40:40] I've shared this data with
[3:40:43] scientists at sio and ucsd who
[3:40:44] confirmed that this unknown
[3:40:45] variable was not considered in
[3:40:45] their research.
[3:40:48] They noted the geographic
[3:40:49] correlation matching canopy
[3:40:50] collapse local to localized
[3:40:53] Fallujah's northern beds and
[3:40:53] intend to study this data
[3:40:54] further.
[3:40:54] My public records request show
[3:40:57] despite budget shortfalls
[3:41:01] the city spent $63,946.36 in
[3:41:02] public funds on product alone
[3:41:02] to execute these harmful and
[3:41:06] unpermitted sprays which expose
[3:41:07] the city to significant
[3:41:07] financial liability.
[3:41:08] Now Parks and RECs wants to
[3:41:11] spend more while closing public
[3:41:11] restrooms.
[3:41:12] I respectfully request this
[3:41:12] Council deny pending permit
[3:41:16] application pr dash 1154436
[3:41:16] Order a City Auditor
[3:41:21] investigation into possible
[3:41:21] violation of state and federal
[3:41:22] laws.
[3:41:22] Look into potential
[3:41:23] misallocation of budget funds
[3:41:26] And finally draft a science
[3:41:27] based natural resources
[3:41:27] management plan as required by
[3:41:31] the city's own lcp Lawyers
[3:41:31] Community Plan and the Coastal
[3:41:32] Act.
[3:41:32] I presented and shared this
[3:41:36] data with the Joint Parks and
[3:41:37] beaches and towns concluded My
[3:41:37] apologies Becky.
[3:41:38] >> Wrap if you can please
[3:41:40] unmute.
[3:41:45] >> >> Good evening.
[3:41:46] >> My name is Becky Rapp and
[3:41:47] I'm here tonight to encourage
[3:41:50] the city to prioritize
[3:41:51] transportation safety with more
[3:41:51] urgency when it relates to
[3:41:55] marijuana consumption.
[3:41:55] We need to better ensure that
[3:41:59] everyone who uses our roads and
[3:42:00] transit systems gets home
[3:42:00] safely.
[3:42:04] Federal transportation agencies
[3:42:05] and researchers have agreed
[3:42:05] that this correlation is a
[3:42:09] challenge unlike alcohol.
[3:42:10] There is currently no
[3:42:13] scientifically validated test
[3:42:14] that can accurately measure
[3:42:15] real time marijuana impairment
[3:42:19] and federal research has found
[3:42:19] that thc levels in blood or
[3:42:23] other bodily fluids do not
[3:42:24] accurately correlate with
[3:42:25] the person's level of driving
[3:42:25] impairment.
[3:42:28] Because of this, determining
[3:42:29] impairment really remains
[3:42:30] significantly more difficult
[3:42:33] than measuring alcohol
[3:42:33] impairment.
[3:42:34] >> Transportation Patient
[3:42:37] safety organizations
[3:42:38] representing trucking,
[3:42:39] aviation, rail, public transit
[3:42:42] and other industries have
[3:42:43] expressed concern about this
[3:42:44] issue because their employees
[3:42:48] perform safety sensitive jobs
[3:42:49] where impairment can have
[3:42:49] serious consequences.
[3:42:53] These concerns show us
[3:42:53] the importance of relying on
[3:42:57] sound science and accurate data
[3:42:58] when developing public safety
[3:42:58] policies.
[3:43:02] These same questions are
[3:43:03] relevant here in San Diego.
[3:43:03] Are we collecting sufficient
[3:43:08] information about marijuana to
[3:43:08] relieve that impairment in
[3:43:09] traffic crashes?
[3:43:13] Do we know how often a permit
[3:43:14] is a contributing factor in
[3:43:18] serious or fatal collisions And
[3:43:18] are first responders and law
[3:43:19] enforcement agencies collecting
[3:43:22] consistent data that can help
[3:43:23] inform future policy decisions?
[3:43:23] I encourage the Council to
[3:43:28] request information from cpb
[3:43:29] and fire rescue departments and
[3:43:29] other appropriate agencies
[3:43:33] regarding marijuana impairment
[3:43:34] in traffic incidences.
[3:43:34] That information can help you
[3:43:38] determine whether additional
[3:43:39] education prevention or
[3:43:40] enforcement efforts are
[3:43:43] warranted.
[3:43:44] San Diego has an opportunity to
[3:43:45] lead by making evidence based
[3:43:49] decisions and collecting our
[3:43:50] terminals, concluded Madison.
[3:43:54] >> If you can please unmute.
[3:43:54] >> Hello, my name is Madison
[3:43:59] and I'm here to talk about
[3:43:59] youth substance use prevention.
[3:44:00] When California voters were
[3:44:04] asked to permit recreational
[3:44:05] marijuana they were told it
[3:44:05] would eliminate the illegal
[3:44:06] market.
[3:44:10] Nearly a decade later
[3:44:10] the opposite has happened.
[3:44:14] Just in the last three months,
[3:44:14] Governor Newsom announced that
[3:44:17] law enforcement seized more
[3:44:18] than 63,000 pounds of illegal
[3:44:22] marijuana worth $104 million
[3:44:26] eradicated nearly 90,000
[3:44:27] illegal cannabis plants,
[3:44:27] confiscated firearms and made
[3:44:32] arrests at illegal grove sites.
[3:44:32] Since 2022, California has
[3:44:36] seized and destroyed more than
[3:44:37] 841,000 pounds of illicit
[3:44:41] cannabis valued at over $1.3
[3:44:41] billion.
[3:44:42] These aren't signs of a problem
[3:44:47] that's been solved.
[3:44:47] They're evidence that
[3:44:48] the illegal market continues to
[3:44:51] flourish alongside
[3:44:52] the permitted one.
[3:44:52] Illegal growers also leave
[3:44:53] behind toxic pesticides and
[3:44:57] chemicals that contaminate
[3:44:58] streams and wildlife and
[3:44:58] ultimately put consumers at
[3:44:59] risk.
[3:45:03] These operations often exploit
[3:45:03] workers and are tied to
[3:45:04] organized criminal networks.
[3:45:09] As San Diego considers cannabis
[3:45:09] related policies, I urge you
[3:45:13] not to assume that expanding
[3:45:14] the permitted market will
[3:45:14] eliminate illegal activity.
[3:45:19] California's experience shows
[3:45:20] that the black market can
[3:45:20] persist and even thrive despite
[3:45:24] widespread commercial
[3:45:24] availability.
[3:45:25] Please continue supporting
[3:45:30] strong enforcement against
[3:45:31] illegal operators and
[3:45:31] prioritize policies that
[3:45:32] protect public health.
[3:45:36] Neighborhood safety and our
[3:45:36] environment.
[3:45:37] Over expanding access to high
[3:45:37] potency marijuana.
[3:45:42] Thank you.
[3:45:42] >> Thank you.
[3:45:43] Next is my big If you can
[3:45:48] please unmute.
[3:45:48] All right.
[3:45:49] Thank you.
[3:45:53] Where Beakman local U.S.
[3:45:53] Communities are simply being
[3:45:54] allowed to better question long
[3:45:55] term U.S. International
[3:45:58] relationships and how U.S. Data
[3:45:59] companies like Fox seem to be
[3:46:00] only developing its data within
[3:46:00] the context of supporting
[3:46:04] international policies of war
[3:46:05] and its harm.
[3:46:05] I've been describing for months
[3:46:06] now how the city of Oakland in
[3:46:09] this county Ballymena are
[3:46:10] currently developing an 18
[3:46:11] month process of community
[3:46:15] input to discuss best practices
[3:46:16] in leading park and in working
[3:46:17] towards a new better principled
[3:46:17] pr vendor.
[3:46:20] This is simply a good process
[3:46:21] of community participation
[3:46:22] the San Diego community can
[3:46:22] learn from.
[3:46:27] From this I hope the San Diego
[3:46:27] community can also be
[3:46:28] considering a yearly review
[3:46:28] process and tech redundancy and
[3:46:32] how small surveillance tech
[3:46:33] reductions reductions each year
[3:46:34] can offer a more efficient,
[3:46:34] strategically placed
[3:46:38] neighborhood tech practices.
[3:46:39] Theory This will not take away
[3:46:39] much from current San Diego
[3:46:43] neighborhood public safety and
[3:46:44] we will have ongoing good
[3:46:44] efforts towards responsibility,
[3:46:45] clarity, oversight and
[3:46:49] consistency with accountability
[3:46:49] policies.
[3:46:50] From all of this I strongly
[3:46:55] feel San Diego City Council and
[3:46:56] city government will simply
[3:46:57] have to make more clear and to
[3:46:58] more openly relate to the San
[3:47:01] Diego community at this time
[3:47:01] and help better conversations
[3:47:02] and ideas are developing within
[3:47:03] the current spoken and unspoken
[3:47:06] procedures and guidelines of
[3:47:07] fda approved in real time in
[3:47:08] our current San Diego
[3:47:12] neighborhoods.
[3:47:13] Perhaps this could become a
[3:47:14] helpful good public meeting
[3:47:17] conversation during the 2026
[3:47:17] fall election time and about
[3:47:18] current San Diego Tech
[3:47:23] Accountability Neighborhood
[3:47:24] public safety concerns and its
[3:47:25] ways of neighborhood community
[3:47:25] hearing ideas.
[3:47:28] All sides in the 2027.
[3:47:29] These ideas are meant to be
[3:47:33] open statement of good logic
[3:47:34] and to help add to the current
[3:47:35] ongoing San Diego conversation
[3:47:35] on these subjects.
[3:47:41] I hope people like Joi and
[3:47:42] Councilperson LaCava can take
[3:47:46] these words to heart and I hope
[3:47:47] we can be building trust.
[3:47:47] >> These ideas have been
[3:47:48] towards trust and can really
[3:47:49] take these ideas to heart.
[3:47:51] Thank you.
[3:47:52] >> Thank you Judy Strong if you
[3:47:56] can please on the Good evening
[3:47:57] San Diego City Council.
[3:48:02] As most of you know, the u-t
[3:48:02] has been publishing letters to
[3:48:03] the editor regarding
[3:48:08] the closure of the 13 bathrooms
[3:48:08] in Mission Bay Area.
[3:48:12] And as I was reading the one
[3:48:12] today about the fellow who had
[3:48:13] colitis, I was sort of overcome
[3:48:18] by my own personal experience
[3:48:19] with a child who also has
[3:48:24] colitis and the trauma that has
[3:48:25] been her life since she was six
[3:48:26] and how much it has a limited
[3:48:30] how she can navigate her world.
[3:48:31] She's now a college student and
[3:48:31] has had much medical
[3:48:35] interventions since then
[3:48:36] including an operation that
[3:48:37] created a stoma for her.
[3:48:41] But just and that's had its own
[3:48:42] ramifications as you can
[3:48:42] imagine towards finding a
[3:48:43] bathroom.
[3:48:48] So I'm wondering for a city who
[3:48:49] has always cared about clean
[3:48:54] air, clean water, public health
[3:48:55] and safety, what the heck are
[3:48:55] we thinking?
[3:48:56] We can't have something in our
[3:49:00] we can't lack public bathrooms
[3:49:01] in our public spaces.
[3:49:01] We just can't It doesn't make
[3:49:02] any sense at all.
[3:49:06] It harms the reputation of
[3:49:07] the city of San Diego.
[3:49:07] It undermines our goals.
[3:49:08] It goes against the rhetoric we
[3:49:12] say every day And my
[3:49:13] granddaughter isn't alone in
[3:49:18] this situation by any stretch
[3:49:19] of the imagination.
[3:49:20] We need to rethink it and we
[3:49:20] need to rethink it now.
[3:49:21] Thank you.
[3:49:22] Thank you.
[3:49:29] >> Christine Wellborn.
[3:49:30] Christine Wilburn.
[3:49:36] I can't unring the bell.
[3:49:36] I'm sorry.
[3:49:37] Christine one district one.
[3:49:37] I'm calling about
[3:49:39] the disgraceful, disgusting and
[3:49:40] unacceptable bathroom closures.
[3:49:41] It's my understanding that no
[3:49:46] staff positions were eliminated
[3:49:47] eliminated for this.
[3:49:51] So for $550,000, why don't we
[3:49:57] have some sort of drive to so
[3:49:58] residents can donate cleaning
[3:49:58] supplies and toilet paper if
[3:50:03] that's an issue because it's
[3:50:04] not a staff issue and residents
[3:50:05] would be much more willing to
[3:50:10] donate actual products and
[3:50:10] things.
[3:50:11] Then vote for more taxes
[3:50:15] because we see that our money
[3:50:16] is not being spent wisely.
[3:50:17] So that's my suggestion is
[3:50:21] doing that.
[3:50:22] >> Also I'm not sure if you're
[3:50:26] aware but the new trash trucks
[3:50:27] require three feet clearance in
[3:50:27] order to pick them up.
[3:50:32] They cannot get in more narrow
[3:50:32] area.
[3:50:33] I don't have that problem
[3:50:33] personally but I've heard that
[3:50:34] people have not had their trash
[3:50:38] picked up for multiple weeks
[3:50:39] because of the new trucks and
[3:50:39] they're in areas where parking
[3:50:44] is not easy to come by.
[3:50:45] So I'm not sure what
[3:50:46] the solution is for that.
[3:50:49] But when you're greenlighting
[3:50:50] all these issues and apartment
[3:50:51] complexes and everything else
[3:50:56] and not requiring ample parking
[3:50:57] where people are supposed to
[3:50:58] put their trash cans if they're
[3:50:58] not going to get picked up and
[3:51:02] left there three feet apart,
[3:51:03] then that's impossible to do
[3:51:03] because there's no space.
[3:51:08] So anyway and also PRESIDENT
[3:51:08] Lacob and council person
[3:51:14] Whitburn, I appreciate you to
[3:51:15] paying attention when people
[3:51:16] speak in public at this not and
[3:51:16] public comment.
[3:51:21] The rest of you I don't know
[3:51:21] what games you're playing on
[3:51:22] your phone but I'd really like
[3:51:23] to find out Seems like they're
[3:51:23] very entertaining.
[3:51:25] Thank you.
[3:51:26] >> You'll have a good night.
[3:51:27] Bye.
[3:51:27] Our final speaker is Jeanette
[3:51:28] Sanchez.
[3:51:34] Jeanette Sanchez also career
[3:51:34] readiness minority assistant
[3:51:38] General Election Process Caucus
[3:51:45] proposer The a lot of those
[3:51:46] ministers don't like what
[3:51:49] the minister's proposal came.
[3:51:50] They always emphasize quarters.
[3:51:55] But our well-established
[3:51:55] consequence on you.
[3:52:01] Good evening or good afternoon
[3:52:02] is how do you City council.
[3:52:02] Sanchez.
[3:52:07] My name is Jack Butland.
[3:52:08] Notice that sometimes you must
[3:52:08] be nice.
[3:52:11] My name is in Essentials and I
[3:52:12] live in City Heights.
[3:52:18] >> I think I am here as a
[3:52:19] conservative parent because I'm
[3:52:24] concerned about secondhand
[3:52:24] smoke.
[3:52:25] As a mother in communities in
[3:52:25] my community.
[3:52:29] Thank you for asthma.
[3:52:30] >> I have three children that
[3:52:35] have asthma.
[3:52:36] >> In other words, when they
[3:52:36] were diagnosed the doctors gave
[3:52:41] them inhalers because of
[3:52:47] the economic oxygen in
[3:52:48] the cooperative and gave us
[3:52:49] different advice about how to
[3:52:49] protect them.
[3:52:52] They don't know my voice but
[3:52:58] that was all they gave me my
[3:52:59] sympathy.
[3:52:59] They didn't give me any advice
[3:53:00] about what to do when people
[3:53:04] are smoking near them.
[3:53:05] And we focused on the important
[3:53:09] things like can public schools
[3:53:09] .
[3:53:10] It is very frustrating and I
[3:53:11] feel like I am not able to take
[3:53:11] care of my children.
[3:53:18] What cannot the in public
[3:53:19] because we don't have any
[3:53:22] comprehensive lays about I'm
[3:53:22] sorry.
[3:53:23] We do not have any
[3:53:23] comprehensive laws about
[3:53:28] smoking in public.
[3:53:29] We will only be living in
[3:53:34] multifamily dwellings.
[3:53:35] Thank you for being supportive
[3:53:35] of it.
[3:53:39] It's not it's probably all
[3:53:40] the smoke that actually goes
[3:53:40] through all the different multi
[3:53:46] dwelling units is very much a
[3:53:47] problem.
[3:53:47] But I'm familiar with a lot of
[3:53:51] young people and for many
[3:53:51] families multi family dwellings
[3:53:57] is the only option for housing
[3:53:57] density economics.
[3:53:58] But it is very difficult to
[3:54:02] find multifamily dwellings or
[3:54:02] any dwelling that is actually
[3:54:12] cost efficient.
[3:54:13] You get elements that are cost
[3:54:14] efficient and that are free of
[3:54:24] smoke in others and the smoke
[3:54:25] from other units comes into our
[3:54:25] house through the windows.
[3:54:31] People either see it through
[3:54:32] the walls and through the air
[3:54:37] ducting in the units or get
[3:54:38] sent to people in
[3:54:39] the development of events like
[3:54:43] Facebook.
[3:54:44] A lot of people would just say
[3:54:44] just open your windows so that
[3:54:45] you can let in fresh air.
[3:54:48] But what's the problem?
[3:54:49] But that doesn't resolve
[3:54:55] the problem in multiple ways.
[3:54:55] And once the smoke stays within
[3:54:56] our apartments, within our
[3:54:57] furniture and within our
[3:55:04] clothing and us and that is
[3:55:04] the air that our family is
[3:55:05] breathing every day.
[3:55:10] Let's hope it doesn't become
[3:55:11] the norm.
[3:55:11] >> Our children are constantly
[3:55:12] complaining about how strong
[3:55:19] the smoke smell is.
[3:55:20] And a lot of times they cough a
[3:55:21] lot just because of
[3:55:21] the constant smell.
[3:55:26] We're going to be in a
[3:55:26] position.
[3:55:27] No family should have to live
[3:55:28] under these conditions.
[3:55:30] That is extremely common for
[3:55:35] middle.
[3:55:36] >> We are asking that the law
[3:55:37] and that you will put us and
[3:55:37] our children first.
[3:55:41] What is in front of the big
[3:55:47] corporate smoking companies
[3:55:53] cigaret companies and the media
[3:55:53] ?
[3:55:54] San Diego presents itself as a
[3:55:54] clean family friendly city.
[3:56:01] Political support for people is
[3:56:06] legitimate but the politics and
[3:56:07] the policies of the city do not
[3:56:07] reflect that.
[3:56:08] Thank you for our call.
[3:56:09] Thank you for allowing me to
[3:56:09] speak then Council PRESIDENT
[3:56:12] That does conclude on a general
[3:56:12] public comment.
[3:56:13] All right.
[3:56:13] Thank you, City Clerk.
[3:56:14] Does the city attorney have
[3:56:14] anything to report out from
[3:56:17] closed session?
[3:56:17] >> Yes.
[3:56:18] Thank you.
[3:56:18] Council PRESIDENT.
[3:56:19] Today in a special closed
[3:56:23] session meeting the city
[3:56:24] council voted on special closed
[3:56:24] session item number four to
[3:56:29] initiate litigation Once
[3:56:30] litigation is formally
[3:56:30] commenced, the action
[3:56:31] the defendants and other
[3:56:35] particulars will be disclosed
[3:56:36] to any person upon inquiry
[3:56:37] unless to do so would
[3:56:37] jeopardize effective service of
[3:56:41] process or settlement
[3:56:42] negotiations.
[3:56:42] The motion passed unanimously 9
[3:56:43] to 0.
[3:56:43] That concludes my comments.
[3:56:49] All right.
[3:56:49] Thank you.
[3:56:50] We will now adjourn as the city
[3:56:51] council to convene as a housing
[3:56:51] authority.
[3:56:53] Does the city attorney have
[3:56:54] anything to report out from
[3:56:54] Housing Authority closed
[3:56:55] session.
[3:56:55] >> Yes.
[3:56:56] Thank you.
[3:56:56] Council PRESIDENT.
[3:56:59] Today in a special housing
[3:57:00] authority closed session
[3:57:01] meeting, the housing authority
[3:57:01] voted on special housing
[3:57:05] authority closed session item
[3:57:06] number one to initiate
[3:57:06] litigation Once litigation is
[3:57:11] formally commenced, the action
[3:57:12] the defendants and other
[3:57:13] particulars will be disclosed
[3:57:13] to any person upon inquiry
[3:57:17] unless to do so would
[3:57:18] jeopardize effective service of
[3:57:19] process or settlement
[3:57:19] negotiations.
[3:57:25] The motion passed unanimously 9
[3:57:25] to 0.
[3:57:26] >> That concludes my comments.
[3:57:26] All right.
[3:57:27] Thank you.
[3:57:27] We will now adjourn this
[3:57:28] housing for you.
[3:57:29] Reconvene the city council.
[3:57:30] We have one adjournment in
[3:57:35] memory which I will be sending
[3:57:36] the last a great journalist and
[3:57:37] a great human being This month
[3:57:42] with the passing of Kelly
[3:57:42] Davis.
[3:57:43] We honor Kelly with this
[3:57:43] adjournment of memory which has
[3:57:47] taken a lot from Jeff McDonald
[3:57:48] peace to do her justice.
[3:57:49] Kelly was dedicated to
[3:57:53] journalism a passion that
[3:57:53] persisted over decades and drew
[3:57:54] both the ire and the respect of
[3:57:59] elected officials across
[3:57:59] the region and the state.
[3:58:00] Her work appeared in
[3:58:00] the Union-Tribune the voice of
[3:58:05] San Diego and the now shuttered
[3:58:06] San Diego City Beat which she
[3:58:06] co-founded and edited.
[3:58:11] Kelly was named Journalist of
[3:58:12] the Year by the San Diego
[3:58:12] chapter of the Society of
[3:58:15] Professional Journalists in
[3:58:16] 2023 recognizing her watchdog
[3:58:17] reporting on the high mortality
[3:58:22] rates in the county sheriff
[3:58:23] jails.
[3:58:23] Perhaps more telling as to
[3:58:24] the importance of her work.
[3:58:28] More than a dozen family
[3:58:28] members of people who had died
[3:58:29] in custody attended that awards
[3:58:34] ceremony celebrated her work.
[3:58:35] They thanked her tearfully,
[3:58:36] explained how her articles had
[3:58:40] given them a voice and brought
[3:58:40] light to their suffering when
[3:58:41] they thought no one cared.
[3:58:46] Kelly's report spurred state
[3:58:46] audits and prompted Governor
[3:58:47] Gavin Newsom to sign a pair of
[3:58:48] reform bills.
[3:58:52] Kelly was known for her policy
[3:58:53] chops and a deep understanding
[3:58:53] of complicated subjects gleaned
[3:58:58] from her arcane research.
[3:58:58] She studied government policy
[3:58:59] manuals and took classes to
[3:59:04] broaden her knowledge so she
[3:59:05] could write with authority her
[3:59:05] strongest assets.
[3:59:10] There were so many but her
[3:59:11] instincts, her judgment of what
[3:59:11] the public needed to know.
[3:59:16] Her interviewing techniques and
[3:59:16] her shoe leather reporting.
[3:59:17] Kelly loved cats and left three
[3:59:22] at her Fletcher Homes Fletcher
[3:59:23] Hill's home.
[3:59:23] She was known for her
[3:59:24] thoughtful gift giving often
[3:59:28] finding just the right gift for
[3:59:29] friends and family.
[3:59:30] She was famous for the Harvey
[3:59:34] Wall being her kick.
[3:59:34] She made for friends every
[3:59:35] Christmas.
[3:59:35] She played rhythm guitar and
[3:59:39] sang backing vocals for an
[3:59:40] indie band called Super 31
[3:59:44] through much of the 90s
[3:59:44] recording multiple extended
[3:59:49] play records in its heyday
[3:59:49] Super 31 with a staple of
[3:59:50] the underground scene and
[3:59:51] shared stages with bands like
[3:59:56] Radiohead and Belly.
[3:59:56] She earned a bachelor's degree
[4:00:01] in literature from Chapman
[4:00:02] University and later a master's
[4:00:02] degree from Boston College.
[4:00:07] Kelly Lynn Davis was born on St
[4:00:08] Patrick's Day in 1973 and
[4:00:12] raised in Irvine.
[4:00:13] She is survived by her husband
[4:00:14] Brian Espinosa.
[4:00:14] Her father j.
[4:00:18] Emerson Davis.
[4:00:19] And numerous aunts, uncles and
[4:00:19] cousins.
[4:00:25] Kelly courageously beat back
[4:00:25] cancer for nearly a dozen years
[4:00:26] while producing policy changing
[4:00:27] dispatches.
[4:00:31] A tumor reappeared this spring
[4:00:32] taking her life.
[4:00:32] Kelly Davis.
[4:00:37] Rest in peace.
[4:00:38] If we could take a moment to
[4:00:41] honor Kelly and her passing and
[4:00:59] the work she did thank you for
[4:01:00] that moment And now we'll close
[4:01:04] We will now adjourn Council to
[4:01:05] the regularly scheduled council
[4:01:08] meeting on Tuesday, JULY 14th,