Good morning I will now call
the City council meeting of
Monday JUNE 16th 2025 to order
Deputy Clerk please call
the Roll Councilmember
Campbell.
Council Member Whitburn here.
Council Member Foster here.
Council Member Von will present
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee
Council Member Can you hear
Council Member Moreno Present
Council Member Ella Rivera in
Council PRESIDENT LaCava
present.
>> Also attending the meeting
are City Attorney Heather
Ferber.
Independent Budget analyst
Charles Monica and myself your
deputy city Clerk Jennifer
Berry.
All right, thank you.
A quorum is now present.
We will begin this morning with
an invocation by Deputy clerk
Barry followed with the land
acknowledgment and the Pledge
of Allegiance led by council
member Whitburn Grant.
Those who hold office in this
city the spirit of wisdom,
charity and justice that was
steadfast purpose.
They MAY faithfully serve in
their offices or to promote
the well-being of all people.
>> We respectfully acknowledge
that the committee should are
the original inhabitants of
the Unceded land now known as
San Diego.
Despite enduring the horrors of
genocide and colonization,
the Kumi spirit remains
unbroken.
We are the resilience of their
ancestors who fought to protect
their culture and land Today
they carry their legacy forward
ensuring that their traditions
continue to thrive and
gratitude and strength We stand
with a combination connected to
our past and committed to a
thriving future.
Please place the flag Place
your hand over your heart Ready
?
Begin.
I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which
it stands One nation under GOD
,indivisible with liberty and
justice for all.
Deputy Clerk Please go over how
the public can offer their
public testimony.
>> I will now highlight
the slide on the screen that
reviews how the public can
offer their public testimony
during today's meeting.
If you are in person please
complete a speaker slip located
at the entrance of chambers and
bring it up to the front of
the room.
No further in-person testimony
will be taken once the council
begins Virtual testimony for
better meeting management
purposes each speaker will have
one minute per item per person
.
Okay.
>> Deputy Clerk Please read
the closed session items into
the record.
Conference with legal Counsel
Existing Litigation pursuant to
California Government Code
Section 5495 6.90 161 Susan
Baker versus City of San Diego
See us to Kate Mara versity of
San Diego.
Conference with Legal Counsel
Existing litigation pursuant to
California Government Code
Section 5495 6.90 163 Cameron
Adams at all the City of San
Diego at all Eric Bana at all
or City of San Diego at all.
Louis Guerrero versus City of
San Diego at all lawn rose
the third versity of San Diego
at all c for City of San Diego
b 101 Ash llc at all conference
with real property negotiator
pursuant to California
Government Code Section
54956.865 Property one on one
Ash Street San Diego,
California.
The Council will meet with its
negotiator, discuss the price
and payment terms for
the potential disposition of an
interest or estate and real
property located at 101 Ash
Street, San Diego, California.
Conference with Legal Counsel
Existing Litigation pursuant to
California Government Code
Section 5495 6.91 ca6 Marcus
Evans versus City of San Diego
at all.
Conference with Legal counsel
Significant exposure to
litigation pursuant to
California Government Code
Section 5495 6.92 ca7 Number of
cases Multiple.
All right.
Thank you Deputy Clerk Please
proceed with public comment.
>> We have no public comment in
chambers today so I'm going to
go ahead and start our five
minute timer and go into our
virtual queue our we have one
hand up the original if you
will.
Go ahead and unmute and let me
know which item or items you
would like to speak to.
>> I all of them Okay you will
have three minutes.
>> Please proceed.
All right so you guys and these
trip and falls I mean it's like
there's no end in sight for you
know continued litigation due
to the conditions of
the sidewalks and roads that
are in the city.
They're not, you know, getting
any better as we proceed.
And so it's just kind of
ridiculous that this is
something that happens and
there's it's going to continue
.
And then as far as litigation
goes for this one on our street
property, this is like a
succubus as well.
>> I mean I don't know how long
you guys want to stay in
litigation about this and then
you're trying to also sell it
or get rid of it.
>> But this is, you know, just
proof in the way that you guys
work and how you know, this is
supposed to be something for
the homeless And all it's been
as a blood money you know pit
for the entire time that it's
you know been here Scott
asbestos in it I mean those are
things that should have been
done before you even dealt with
it but that's not the way you
guys work.
You love to, you know,
basically work backwards and
it's ridiculous because it
costs the people money.
The money doesn't come from you
guys.
It comes from people who work
really hard who you continue to
tax and you know, raise fees
and all of the things and
pretty much put people out so
that we can make up for your
mistakes.
And that's why with these
multiple cases that are coming
forward I mean that could be a
number of things But you know,
you've already had cases
litigation come forward from
employees at Tent City because
of the conditions that they've
been asked to work in
the treatment that they get
from Dreams for Change And
you're paying settlements out
to these employees.
But there's going to be more
and more suits that are coming
forward, especially class
action.
And Stephen Whitburn, you
should actually resign as soon
as possible because you're
actually giving your friends
contracts.
Theresa Smith is a friend of
yours.
You're contracting with her
with Dreams for Change refusing
to actually mitigate not only
the deaths, the sexual
assaults, the breach of
contract many things but you're
unwilling to do that because
that's your friend.
So you sit and you laugh when
people are dying and city like
Tammy Jackson last week a week
ago today and you know you're
you're refusing to actually go
and you actually want to extend
their contracts you want to
give them more money which is
going to be happening here
pretty soon.
But you are facing litigation
because of the fact that you
refuse to do anything not only
Steven but the city.
And so you're going to have to
be paying more money out to a
whole lot of homeless people
because of the actions that you
refuse to take.
So good on you guys for you
know, just costing the city
more money instead of actually
doing something in your time.
Thank you for that concluding
comment.
Our next caller is caller
ending in 8700.
If you'll go ahead and unmute
and let me know which item or
items you were speaking to.
Thank you.
A deputy city clerk Mary Joyce
in your district three I'll be
speaking on one, three, four,
five and six please.
>> You will have three minutes.
Please proceed.
>> Thank you so much and see us
for one another trip and I'll
say this to the people that are
listening that love to walk and
I'm talking about downtown.
If you love downtown you have
to love safety And for me that
safety downtown is so safety be
ever vigilant in walking on
sidewalks history is this this
exposure to street and of
course three four and five are
all related to ash Street So
I'll combine and also speak a
little bit specific.
So I'm looking at the beginning
of this whole debacle and
thinking about the contract
with the people that we're
going to do the work in
the building and deal with
the delicate notes as best as
and I don't know what
the contract said and I don't
know if the bids came from
really good reputable people.
I didn't have a chance to look
at who was the original person
that got the bid and did
the work but I hope we were on
top of things and really had a
strict contract in regards to
dealing with the asbestos in
the building.
So that concerns me as to where
we dropped the ball if
anywhere.
But of course I'm for the these
incidents the contractors if
there was a negligent in
disrupting of the scuse me on
the patio side of the street so
to the people with that
exposure to the asbestos you
know it's breathing it's long
you know air is really
the first thing of life.
So sending a healing energy out
to them and you sell a street
sell 101 please.
We need to get out from under
it, please.
MR. Cushman Stephen Cushman
from the Board of Commissioners
at County San Diego Housing
Commission.
You're so great at all this
stuff.
Please help them sell this
building if you can get
involved.
And then the last one csx, spv,
I love you so much.
Your work is unbelievable
difficult and you have to make
less in a split second
Decisions Who can Any human
being on the planet always make
the perfect decision in a in
less than a split second place
And so I just send you all
the kind of value in
appreciation.
It's excessive force domestic
violence issue involving a gun.
I mean it doesn't seem like it
could happen in real life.
So thank you for everything you
do and thanks for listening
everybody.
Love to have a beautiful day.
Thank you.
And we have no more callers in
our virtual queue So that
concludes the public comment on
the closed session agenda.
All right.
To get started And long
afternoon.
So with that Good afternoon.
All right.
Good afternoon.
I will now reconvene the city
council meeting of Monday, JUNE
16th, 2025.
Clerk Please call the roll and
get the statement for DR.
Campbell who's participating
remotely.
Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT Council
member Campbell Yes, ma'am.
>> I'm here and I would like to
read the statement if you can
hear me.
>> Yes.
And hear you Please proceed.
I will be attending the meeting
today remotely pursuant to
the Brown Act.
>> I am disclosing that there
are two individuals 18 years or
older present in the room with
me.
They are members of my staff.
I will update this disclosure
if it changes during the course
of the meeting.
>> Thank you.
Thank Member Campbell Council
Member Whitburn here Council
Member Foster your Council
Member Von Wilbur Present
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee
Council Member Can you hear
Council Member Moreno Present
Council Member Yellow Rivera
and Council PRESIDENT LaCava
present also chairing
the meeting or Assistant City
Attorney Michelle Garland
Independent Budget Analyst
Charles Mollica Counsel Affairs
Advisor in the Mayor's office
Kota Sizer and myself your city
clerk Diana Fuentes.
Thank you Council PRESIDENT All
right.
>> Thank you City Clerk a
quorum is now present.
A lot of you have been here
before but I suspect there are
some new folks here for
the very first time Make sure
this meeting runs smoothly if
you can given the high emotions
and controversies that we've
all been expecting and waiting
for for this meeting, I want to
remind everyone about
the city's practices and
procedures for public comment
at city council meetings
the city welcomes public
participation at city council
meetings.
Speakers MAY address
the Council during public
comment and also in connection
with a specific item of
business on the agenda.
However, the city must make
sure that no one person or
group of individuals disrupt
the meeting in a way that
prohibits other speakers from
expressing their ideas and
opinions.
So to make sure that everyone
here has the opportunity to
address the Council Iowa alert
an individual or individuals if
I think their conduct becomes
disruptive If the disruption
continues I will roll
the individual out of order And
if the disruption continues
further I will declare a recess
so we can restore order.
At that point I will direct
the individual to leave
the chambers.
If the individual refuses to
leave police will escort
the individual out of
the building.
We have to repeat this process
of warning and recess in
the meeting all members of
the public will be excused from
chambers.
Credentialed media would be
allowed to remain once again We
have these practices and
procedures to protect
the rights of others who wish
to address the Council and to
allow the Council to conduct
the public's business so not so
much on the first item but on
the next item that most of you
if not all of you are here for.
You're going to hear things you
like.
You're going to hear things you
don't like or don't don't agree
with the most effective way to
communicate to us here at
the council without disrupting
the meeting is if you see or
hear something you like thumbs
up, wave your hands.
It's a very powerful signal.
We see it very obvious If you
hear something you don't like
thumbs down is probably
the easiest way to communicate
that with us and that way we'll
be able to run the meeting
especially when we start with
the public comment portion.
So a couple of things that we
need to do before we get on to
the 18th conversation.
First, are there any mayoral
council, city attorney,
independent budget analysts or
a city clerk comment Council
member Von Wolford And thank
you very much.
Council PRESIDENT I wanted to
take a moment before we started
today to remember two people
who were one was shot and
killed over the weekend.
Another lawmaker and his wife
are recovering from multiple
gunshot wounds in the hospital.
Still Representative Melissa
Hortman is seen here at her
swearing in ceremony as House
speaker in the Minnesota state
Capitol And safe home as a
soldier in 2019.
And on the right is Senator
John Hoffman who was first
elected to the Senate in
NOVEMBER 2012.
He's now serving his fourth
term in the Minnesota State
Senate representing residents
of Minnesota Senate District
four which includes Brooklyn
Park, Rapids, Dayton and
Rogers.
He had been a long time
advocate and leader on issues
related to disability services
in need of children before
holding elected office he
worked with children families
and was a parent in training
for information centers at
Pacer, one of the nation's
oldest and respected training
centers.
MS. Hoffman was only 55 at
the time of her assassination
over the weekend by a
politically motivated attack at
her home, a gunman showed up
wearing what looked like a
police officer's uniform in a
police car which induced her to
open the home before he shot
and killed her and her husband
.
She represented the northern
part of the Twin Cities
metropolitan area in
the Minnesota House of
Representatives from 2005 until
her assassination just over
the weekend.
Can you go back to the last
slide please?
She serves she campaigned door
to door often less I know
the previous one.
The picture.
Yeah.
Every single one of us up here
on this dais has been in that
photo.
All of us have done that And
it's very scary to think that
just because we want to be
involved in public office we
are subjecting ourselves to
danger.
She's not the only one And we
just I didn't want to let this
moment pass because we have to
stop violence in our country no
matter what we agree on don't
agree on We need to stop
violence.
We are a peaceful democracy and
we need to lean in to being a
peaceful democracy.
And so I'm very, very sad to
see these two folks one we're
going to lose forever and
the other one hopefully won't.
Luckily person who did this was
apprehended.
He had a list of over 40 other
elected officials He was going
to attack that day.
So thank you all for being here
for being part of your
democracy today.
And if we could take just a
moment to remember Speaker
Hartman now Thank you, Council
PRESIDENT.
That concludes my comments.
>> Thank you.
Council Member Von Wolpert With
that City Clerk Please go over
how the public can offer their
public testimony.
>> Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT I'd like to
highlight a screen that was up
previously and we'll put it
back up again.
That does go over how
the public can offer their
public testimony during this
afternoon's meeting and what
numbers they can call in which
is found on the agenda cover
page.
The order can also be found on
the agenda Summary found online
or at the table in the back of
the room.
If you are in person please
complete a speaker slip located
at the entrance of chambers and
bring it to the front of
the room and place it in
the clear box.
Council ambassadors are
available near the entrance of
chambers and can assist with
questions and speaker slips
Again if you are submitting
speakers up to today and your
seating time to somebody please
be sure that you submit
The speaker slips all together
in one group.
No further in-person testimony
will be taken once the council
begins Virtual testimony.
Thank you, Council PRESIDENT
All right.
Thank you.
City Clerk With that we have
two items to take care of
before we go to the ada.
So please introduce items 200
and 201 Item 200 is a fiscal
year 2026 Maintenance
Assessment District Annual
reports for Parks and
Recreation Department and item
2a1 is the fiscal year 2026
Main Assessment District annual
reports for the Economic
Development Department.
If you'd like to speak on this
item now's the time to submit
your speaker's slip or to raise
your hand by pressing Star nine
or the raise your hand icon.
Thank you Council PRESIDENT.
Thank you City Clerk for these
two items.
The staff presentations will be
taken together public testimony
and council comments will also
be taken together for both
items and the Council will vote
on each item separately.
So with that staff please
introduce yourselves for
the record and let us know how
much time you need.
Thank you Council PRESIDENT
Good afternoon Council members
Thank you for your time today.
My name is Michael Jones,
Assistant Deputy Director with
the Parks and Recreation
Department.
With me is Rhea again Aldo with
the Economic Development
Department Small Business
Engagement specialist.
We will require approximately
seven minutes for our
presentation today.
All right.
When you're ready.
>> a maintenance assessment
district or med is a legal
mechanism to allow property
owners the ability to
self-assess for
the implementation of
improvements and activities
within a defined boundary based
upon a predetermined
methodology.
These districts occur
throughout the city and take on
many different scopes of
service.
Landscaping is the most common
type of improvement across
the program here in San Diego
and generally occurring in
medians, parks and rights of
way.
However, there are many various
services that can take place
within districts.
Several which are shown here
Methods operate with the legal
authority to engage in
improvements and activities
under the guidance of
legislation at both the state
and local levels.
State law, the Municipal Code
and City Council policy are
each written to allow districts
flexibility to operate in a
wide variety of ways.
As previously indicated, a
primary goal of these policies
is to give communities
the ability to offer virtually
any type of feasible
improvement or activity above
the city standard via
the assessment mechanism.
And next I'd like to introduce
my colleague Rhea DiNardo to
cover the next section.
>> Rhea.
Thank you Mike.
Good afternoon Council members.
The city of San Diego currently
has 64 mats down one from 65
and fiscal year 2024 after
the formation of the Greater
Hillcrest method which replaced
two smaller districts.
54 miles receive oversight from
the Parks and Recreation
Department while ten receive
oversight from the Economic
Development Department.
MADtv exist in every council
district from the border to
the northernmost parts of
the city providing special
benefits over and above city
baseline services.
>> This slide shows
the geographic boundaries in
yellow shading for parks and
recreation methods and economic
development methods in blue.
While parks and recreation
methods are primarily located
in residential neighborhoods,
economic development methods
are concentrated in commercial
areas and offer a variety of
related improvements in
activities such as retail
retention and recruitment,
marketing and district branding
through seasonal banners.
The city holds various types of
contracts to administer mad
improvements and activities for
parks and Recreation.
Methods are managed by city
staff through contracts with
for profit vendors for service
delivery with the exception of
bird rock and Savita managed by
nonprofits.
Most economic development
methods are managed by
nonprofits with service
delivery provided directly by
staff or through subcontracted
vendors.
Two exceptions Barrio Logan and
Central Commercial are managed
by city staff in coordination
with assessment payers and
community leaders.
Seven of the ten economic
development Mad managers are
local business associations
that also manage a business
improvement district.
This allows for coordination of
resources and opportunities to
leverage method assessments for
grants and private fundraising
to bring additional services to
their communities.
>> We're proud to showcase
photos on this slide of
the visible impact of mouths
across the city.
As you can see through a wide
variety of services such as
sidewalk cleaning, graffiti
removal, beautification and
landscape maintenance mad's
create cleaner and more
welcoming public spaces.
Now I'll turn it back over to
Michael.
>> Each district is formed with
an accompanying assessment
engineer's report.
This is effectively
the governing document that
specifies which improvements
can occur and at what
frequencies.
This report is created upon
information of the district and
its implemented upon a
successful vote of affected
property owners.
The difference between general
and special benefit is an
important point of distinction.
Ads MAY only fund those
services which are above city
standard.
The engineers report is updated
annually to include new parcel
data.
>> Changes in land use and an
updated budget for each
district.
It is important to note that
assessments MAY increase or
decrease or remain the same
based upon the needs of
the district and fiscal
considerations.
Some elements of the report
codified upon information such
as boundaries assessment,
methodology, location and
frequency of such service MAY
not be updated through
the annual process.
These changes in assessment
levies are shared with
the community members,
stakeholders or others who MAY
serve on advisory committees
associated with one or multiple
districts.
The proposed actions before
the Council today for item 200
include the approval of
the fiscal year 2026 annual
reports.
In addition, the Department
seeks authorization to allow
the cfo to expend funds and
collect revenues that will
sustain the operations of all
54 districts under Parks and
Recreation oversight.
Additionally, the Council will
allow would allow the cfo via
the department to execute
the manual billing of property
owners who do not receive a
property tax bill.
The proposed actions for item
201 for the Economic
Development Department approve
the fiscal year 2026 annual
reports.
Authorize the cfo to
appropriate and expend mad
funds and manually bill
property owners not billed by
the county.
An additional action this year
is number four approve
the waiver of mad council
policy to allow Little Italy
mad's operating reserve to fall
below the required 10% of
operating expenditures with
the plan to bring it into
compliance with Council policy
in fiscal year 2027.
The proposed actions ensure our
Department's ability to submit
the assessments to the county
by the AUGUST 10th deadline for
inclusion on the on the owner's
property tax bill.
All of this ensures a seamless
continuity of service.
For more information, members
of the public can visit each
department's web page.
Also available online is an
interactive map outlining
district boundaries and general
service areas.
These are all useful resources
for learning more about our
Maintenance Assessment District
program here in San Diego.
>> This concludes our
presentation and thank you all
for your time today.
All right.
Thank you for the presentation.
City Clerk.
Let's turn to public comment.
Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT We will be
taking public comment together
for these items.
So if you can please come
forward to the yellow reserved
seats We have Cesar Javier
Joyce, Senator Andrus ebbing
and then that's it.
>> That's the duplicates for
those people.
So Cesar Javier we are giving
one minute for each item you
have time ceded to you for
both.
So you will have four minutes.
Please proceed.
So sir, thank you Once again we
will be facing you discussing
with you our predicaments, our
concern.
The city leadership is
destroying San Diego's
psychologically And what's
the other two Socially,
Economically it's a failure.
I will cite one look at
the organizational chart
morning chart of the Parks and
Recreation.
We have been looking for money
where we could use to sustain
the priority needs of San
Diegans like the library, like
sanitation and hygiene programs
like the health and Human
Services.
>> Cesar could you focus on
the maintenance assessment
district where 200 200 and it
is from the parks and
Recreation Real Estate and
Operation Share Look over four
example We need money for those
I have mentioned which your cut
of money is right there Real
estate public golf course there
are two and we can source money
from there Sell it for the sake
of the sick dying homeless.
That's what I mean.
MR. Local Butcher Money that is
related to what we are
discussing now Maintenance op
does milking cow by golly
Listen hear us I could only say
corruption.
Why do you have to insist
maintaining those those
resource real estate If only
that we could sell it now and
sustain the life health and
services of San Diego's logic
logical reasoning algorithm
What is our top priority in
this Parks and Recreation
Maintenance?
>> Sure Anyone and the answer
Attorney please.
>> We were here listening and
we see the scars of cholera we
call corruption equals monopoly
trust discretion minus
accountability.
They are accountable for this.
Yes, but you can just wash
their hands like you guys share
with Burn.
>> That is your territory.
For example Balboa Park What is
your priority to for
maintenance ensuring that
the home of the lowest form of
animals like lions and tigers
and these are given priority
than humans than San Diego Am I
right?
Am I wrong?
That's our observation from a
regular citizen San Diego's
Remember sir, this is not just
a home of San Diegans but
the brave and brave soldiers
and their families.
Cheryl Acaba use has a great
role in this maintenance and
development.
>> Tell us where are we
suitable land for humans, Parks
and recreation is a respiratory
system of the city where we
could breath the clean air when
we could date the clean food
water we drink the clean water
What are we doing?
>> Is that the maintenance that
we are trying to project?
>> No you are just projecting
to make the milking cow fattier
and more toss up Your time has
concluded Joyce Sonata Thank
you City Clerk Fuentes Joyce
any other district three I do
approve both of these and yet I
just wanted to tell you my
experience with the methods
the bids, the p bids I know
this is mad but they're all
linked in a lot of ways and I
heard you say in the press
thank you for the presentation.
It's always very good.
I heard you say, you know,
legal regulations, state
regulations, local regulations
And as I put myself into these
the mad bids and p bids, I find
that oh and by the way city
besides all those other bodies
we've got city involved
nonprofits involved
subcontractors involved vendors
involved in my opinion how do
we coordinate and collaborate
this tremendous amount of work?
I just don't see it.
It just seems the staff report
was eight pages with I think
six attachments or more If you
conclude the both of them and
because of the debacle we had
with the promenade downtown and
that's a bid I started looking
at this and it's tricky
The collaboration is is really
touchy and I'm not sure that
it's happening at the level
that we need to make these
really work effectively with
monitoring, implementing and
oversight and transparency and
all of that.
So okay so I was going to say
other things but you know
Parker and Rick I love you
Economic development I love you
54 Mad for the Park and Rec and
ten for the Economic
Development Department.
So it's all good.
We all need it.
But I'm just saying that I'm
getting a little scared at how
complicated this stuff is and I
think that's why we're in
trouble often.
>> Thank you so much.
Love to all.
Thank you, Andrea Ebbing you'll
have two minutes And that is
our last speaker in person for
these items.
Please proceed.
Hi, my name is Andrea Ebbing
and I wanted to present a
solution to Parks and Rec,
the city, the county all my
districts.
This is a trim light.
It's an led lighting solution
that will promote continuity,
celebration and security.
Also cost savings throughout
San Diego.
This is an aluminum channel a
patented aluminum channel that
includes in it our trim
lighting system In each light
is three LEDs which are
directional.
This product can give us a
chance to celebrate beyond
Christmas, celebrate beyond
pride, Valentine's Day, St
Patrick's Day Basically any
occasion at any any time with
ease it attaches to an app
which you control and you can
easily make this security
lighting system perimeter
lighting system and instantly
any building or any district
can be lit up and I'm talking
about lit up at the touch of a
you know your app.
>> So this is a product that
could really help the community
build a new holiday theme So
thank you.
>> Thank you.
I'm sorry the five minute timer
going to those participating
remotely starting with Blair
Beckman If you can please
unmute and please let me know
if you're speaking to one or
both of the items Both items
please.
>> You'll have two minutes.
Please proceed.
>> Hi.
Thank you.
With that previous item even
more than just holiday time it
could be good lighting up a
building You know if there is
an intruder or somebody
uncomfortable or it can help
with that process all
throughout the year.
>> So thank you for the item.
I wanted to thank our city
government staff.
It seems really appropriate
time to again thank them for
their work of suspending
certain parts of Memorial Park
construction at this time And
this surveillance tech is what
my feeling is that spending of
this time they want to take a
bit of a break And with that I
mean reason good thinking, you
know, to address this new Trump
administration at this time We
can work better together.
I think so.
Thank you incredibly that I
hope they're going to I want to
do that with many projects and
listen a little bit more to
community and we can get a good
dialog going With that all
said, I'm just learning that
these are projects that concern
maintenance assessment
districts.
It's a new concept to me kind
of So I'm learning.
I'm learning how equity plays
an important role in this
process how certain
neighborhoods and districts can
easily get much more funding
and money than other districts
and all the different ins and
outs that goes with that.
So good luck.
How how this issue can be
worked on.
I'm just learning Joyce Tonight
I had really good words about
it.
It does seem really complicated
and to offer explanations to
the public on this subject.
Good luck in that effort.
I suppose that could have
something to do with
the parking districts how
parking districts can have
better forms of communication
with each other in the future.
City government staff learning
to facilitate that can be about
helping with environmental
concerns within each
neighborhood developing
environmental facilitation
packages and NGOs And you know
for the Harvey year that could
be helpful.
So thank you for this item.
>> Good luck with your work.
Thank you.
Next is the original If you can
please unmute will you be
speaking on both items?
What do you think?
Yes of course.
Please keep them so 20 $6
million ish that you guys are
going to be able to you know,
racket with.
It's so interesting to see when
we you know, talk about
maintenance and things and then
look at the world around us and
see what's really being
accomplished or not just people
getting richer, which is
interesting And that's the name
of the game.
I mean when we're in a
corporation is in the point to
make money.
Yes.
And off the backs of people
suffering.
Right.
And you guys are doing a very
good job of that.
So what I was wondering since
Balboa Park is in this district
in the maintenance district,
you know that spot that's you
know, kind of like a prison.
It's like imprisoned people in
there.
You guys like to call it Tent
City and you've, you know,
contracted with NGOs downtown
Partnership and Dreams for
Change And you know, they
probably are ones that you
would be spending this money
with as well.
So when you see that the things
that they're doing is not
really up to their contract and
that people are dying and
people are being raped Right.
By the employees, I mean but
that's okay.
>> I'm just wondering if
the maintenance is going to go
into those areas of the park
like the code enforcement that
needs to take place with
the electrical outlets that are
right by water.
So it's a very good little
cesspool for an electrical
shock of somebody.
But I guess if the idea is to
kill the homeless then you guys
are doing a good job.
There's also food poisoning
that happens there.
So there's many avenues to kill
the homeless.
But I'm just wondering, you
know, are these the types of
things that you would want to
look into or is it because it's
the homeless?
It's like when you know there's
an event we just kind of move
them down the way and say just
kind of like don't look at it.
It's an eyesore.
Are we going to kind of treat
this the same So like they're
not going to be able to have
any maintenance in there.
Oh, but you know, good job,
Stephen, for laughing and
mocking Tammy Jackson for dying
a week ago today.
You guys are doing really good
killing people there.
Rosa Unless Cora if you can
please unmute will you be
speaking to both items?
No to a one to a one.
You'll have one minute.
Please proceed.
Hi my name is Rosanna Squire,
the Vice PRESIDENT Of Community
Development and Policy for City
Heights Clean Development.
>> I'm here to express strong
support for item 2a1
particularly the continued
investment in the City Heights
Maintenance Assessment
District.
The City Heights Matter plays a
vital role in keeping our
community corridors clean, safe
and welcoming especially in a
historically underserved
neighborhood.
Over the past year, City
Heights cdc has proudly
overseen the maintenance
assessment district for City
Heights, creating opportunities
for residents to take pride in
our neighborhood supporting
local city heights jobs and
help build a safer, greener and
more connected public space.
We urge your continued support
for this critical resource and
thank you for the time and
commitment for our community.
>> Thank you.
Thank you.
And that does conclude public
comment on items 200 and 2a1
Thank you Council PRESIDENT.
>> All right.
Thank you City Clerk So we're
going to turn it over to my
council colleagues for
questions, comments and we'll
be needing two motions but
we'll start out with item 204
the motion I see Council member
Campo who is the chair of our
Economic Development and
Intergovernmental Governmental
Relations Committee to kick us
off.
Thank thank you Council
PRESIDENT Thank you staff for
the presentation and it's
approved unanimously at our
idea And your committee has a
really important role
throughout our city.
I'll move approval of staff's
recommendation for item 200 and
await your call for 2a1.
>> All right.
Thank you, sir.
So we have a motion.
We'll go next to council member
Whitburn.
Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT What I think
chair can appeal and you and I
are for the review of this and
I really want to thank
the Parks and recreation and
economic development
departments for all your work
in support of our maintenance
assessment districts.
District three is fortunate to
have several bads that improve
the cleanliness and safety of
our communities including Adams
Avenue and First San Diego
River Improvement Project,
Greater Hillcrest, Little Italy
Mission Hills Historic Street
Lighting, North Park University
Heights and Washington Street.
Everybody who resides or visits
or operates a business in these
districts benefits from
the enhanced services that our
bads provide and especially
want to acknowledge all
the people on the ground who
perform the particularly
demanding work at times to
perform these functions
Oftentimes without recognition
or praise.
They help to keep our sidewalks
clean, our trees trimmed and
watered and parkways maintained
among all the other services
that they provide in our city
every day Our neighborhoods are
better off because of their
dedicated efforts and I want
them to know that they are
appreciated.
So thank you.
Thank you, Council PRESIDENT
All right.
Thank you.
So we have a motion by
Councilmember Campo, the second
by Councilmember Whitburn with
the staff recommendation item
200.
Not see anyone else.
I will thank you both for
the presentation, both
departments and the good work
you do.
Honored to help form two of
those districts one in
the parking rack and once under
Eddie and the good work that
the volunteers do whether
they're actually managing or
they're just simply advisory to
the city and the operational
demands we certainly appreciate
their commitment of their
personal time going forward.
So with that we do have
the motion by Councilmember
Campos second by Council member
Whitburn.
Clerk Please call the roll on
item 200 I started the voting
system.
>> Please cast your vote And
Council Councilmember Campbell
if I MAY have your vote for
the record please I vote yes.
Thank you.
That person that vote passes
unanimously 8 to 0 with council
member Ella Rivera absent.
Thank you Council PRESIDENT And
Councilmember Kemp you can we
have your motion again for 2a1
Yes I move staff's approval of
staff's recommendation of item
2a1 and just to give credit
where credit's due this was
that cns of which I'm also a
member but cns was
the committee that you went
through so thank you.
Good clarification.
Thank you for that
Councilmember Woodburn We'll
have the second.
So again we have a motion by
Councilmember Campos, second by
Councilmember Whitburn to move
the staff recommendation And
item 2 to 1 clerk please call
the roll.
I started the voting system.
Please cast your vote.
Councilmember Campbell, if I
MAY get your vote for
the record, thank you.
>> As chair of cns I am happy
to say yes.
>> Thank you.
Council member That does passed
unanimously 8 to 0 with
Councilmember Eli Rivera absent
Thank you Council PRESIDENT All
right.
Thank you City Clerk Again
thank you to Staff All right.
>> What you all been waiting
for?
Clerk Please introduce item 202
Item 2o2 is the accessory
dwelling unit 82 and Junior
accessory dwelling unit.
Jt you regulation amendments to
the San Diego Municipal Code
and Local Coastal Program
amendment If you'd like to
speak to this item please be
sure to submit your speaker
slip to the front of the room
in the clear box.
And if you are participating
remotely now's the time to
raise your hand by pressing
Star nine or the raise your
hand icon.
Thank you Council PRESIDENT All
right.
>> If you want to hold the sign
up, remember you're blocking
somebody's view back row is a
great place for the big signs
that I see out there.
But be considerate for
the folks that are sitting
behind you.
So with that staff please
introduce yourselves for
the record and let us know how
much time you need for your
presentation.
>> Good afternoon.
My name is Liz, said Condon and
with the City Planning
department we need about 25
minutes.
All right, you're ready.
>> Good afternoon.
My name is Liz, said Kania and
I'm a principal planner with
the City Planning Department.
Joining me today are city
planning director Heidi Von
Blum, Deputy Director Tate
Galloway and program manager.
Separately we're here today to
present the Accessory dwelling
unit and junior accessory
dwelling unit regulation
amendments the San Diego
Municipal Code and Local
Coastal Program.
Since 2017 the city has taken
proactive steps to align edu
and jd regulations with
evolving state laws.
These updates aim to increase
housing production, streamline
permitting processes and reduce
regulatory barriers Each
amendment has built upon
the last incorporating
priorities such as
affordability, accessibility
and neighborhood compatibility
to better address India's
ongoing housing shortage.
On MARCH 4th, 2025, the City
Council directed Swift
Amendments the ada Home Density
Bonus program to address
implementation concerns.
These comprehensive amendments
presented as a single package
allow for focused discussions
on key issues such as public
safety, development scale and
neighborhood funding.
Adopting these amendments
together promotes regulatory
clarity and helps prevent
confusion or delays.
The city will also coordinate
closely with the California
Department of Housing and
Community Development to
support timely and effective
implementation.
In the next few slides that
analyze 80 homes permitted
between 2021 and 2024, the city
permitted fourth thousand 388
80 home projects resulting in a
total of 5720 80 homes During
this time approximately 90% of
the projects result in
the development of 123 82 homes
and the r's residential single
unit base owns the city
permitted 410 80 homes through
7080 home density bonus program
projects when 91% of
the projects located in the rs
one seven zone the 80 home
density bonus program
facilitated the permitting of
368 affordable 82 homes in 507
market rate 80 homes for a
total of 875 permanent adu
homes representing 14% of
the total 80 homes permitted in
the city of San Diego.
This represented 5% of all
housing projects permitted
between 2021 and 2024 including
8% of the portable homes, 2% of
the market rate homes and just
3% of the total housing stocks
permitted During this time
the city permitted 3009 State
allowed 80 homes in the outer
space zone.
Of these 84% were located in
the rs one seven zone which
represents 42% of the total
acreage of residential single
family zoned citywide.
These 80 homes were required to
be permitted under state law.
Lastly, the vast majority of 82
home projects in the rs one
seven zone approximately 99% or
2501 projects included between
1 and 382 homes.
Collectively these projects
have contributed 2809 new 82
homes to the city's housing
supply.
>> The proposed amendments were
presented to the Planning
Commission on MAY 1st and
the Land Use and Housing
Committee on MAY 15th.
Robust discussion took place at
both meetings resulting in
several amendments based on
the recommendations from each
body.
These changes are outlined in
detail in the staff report.
The single issue Code Amendment
package includes 25 proposed
amendments 15 related to
general regulations and ten
specific to the e2 home density
bonus program.
Revisions were made following
the Land Use and Housing
Committee hearing based on
committee recommendations.
Correspondence from
the California Department of
Housing and Community
Development dated MAY 30th and
JUNE 13th.
Community feedback and a
memorandum issued by City
Planning director Heidi von
Blum on JUNE 14th.
Each item revised since
the committee meeting is
labeled was revised in
the presentation.
Item 180 Home minimum maximum
size.
The proposed amendment removes
the 1200 square foot size limit
from the area definition and
applies it only to attached and
detached 82 homes.
It also clarifies that
converted 80 homes with
existing structures are not
subject to a size limit and
converted 80 homes with
the necessary structure MAY
construct an additional 150ft
for ingress and egress.
Item 281 jd Zoning.
This item updates the use
tables for agricultural general
zones to permit permit 81 jd
homes consistent with allowance
for single dwelling units in
these zones.
Item three Fire Sprinkler
Requirements.
This proposed amendment
clarifies that the construction
of new homes shall not trigger
a requirement to install fire
sprinkler systems for an
existing primary dwelling unit
or multiple dwelling unit
unless required under
the California Building
Standards Code.
Item four Converted 80 and jd
Homes within the Coastal
overlay zone.
This amendment clarifies that
certain development regulations
related to wetlands sensitive
coastal blocks, coastal beaches
and supplemental coastal
regulations apply only to
converted 80 and jd Homes
within that coastal overlay
zone.
Item five jd Rental Terms.
This removes the 31 day minimum
rental term requirement for jd
Homes.
This requirement remains in
place for all other 82 homes.
Item six.
The number of permitted areas
in jd Homes with an existing or
proposed single dwelling unit.
This proposed amendment
clarifies that one jd home one
converted 80 home and one
detached home MAY be permitted
on a lot with an existing or
proposed single family home.
Item seven Tree Requirements.
This proposed amendment removes
the tree landscaping
requirement for state allowed
area and jd Homes.
80 bonus projects would
continue to be required to
provide two trees for every
5000ft of lot area.
Item eight Number of permitted
a2 and jd homes on existing or
proposed multiple dwelling unit
on lots with an existing
existing multiple dwelling unit
structure Up to 82 homes MAY be
permitted but the number of
detached 80 homes cannot exceed
the number of existing dwelling
units.
Non livable spaces MAY also be
converted into 80 homes up to
25% of the existing units with
Amendment of one.
Item nine.
Floor Area ratio maximums state
allowed a2 and jd homes located
within or the proposed space an
existing single dwelling unit
structure single dwelling unit
are not subject to the floor
area ratio maximums or
the underlying base zone.
Additionally one state allowed
Edo home that is 800ft or less
is not subject to the floor
area ratio limitation provided
that is only attached or
detached on the lot.
This item was revised after
the Land Use and Housing
Committee to clarify that only
converted 80 homes allowed
under Government Code section
66323 are not subject to
the floor area ratio
limitation.
Item ten Side Yard setbacks for
a2 Structure.
This proposed amendment
specifies that 80 home
structures must have a minimum
street side yard of four feet
or the based on street side
yard setback whichever is less
to be consistent with state
law.
Item 11 Fire Safety Setback.
This proposed amendment
requires 80 homes located
within high or very high fire
severity zones to maintain a
minimum four foot setback from
interior and rear yard property
lines to insert defensible
space.
It also clarifies that the fire
code officials existing
authority to require a greater
setbacks when warranted
providing clear guidance and
greater developmental certainty
.
In response to the Department
of Housing new developments.
Memorandum.
The originally proposed five
yard setback was reduced to
four feet and specific code
citations have been added to
support the fire code officials
discretion.
Item 12 Replacement Parking.
This proposed amendment
initially added uncovered
parking space the list of
parking types that do not
require replacement parking
when removed to accommodate
ideal homes except in the case
where the properties located
with a beach impact area
the parking impact overlay zone
and outside a transit party
area.
This approach was consistent
with the replacement parking
requirements previously applied
Applied by the California
Coastal Commission for Garages,
carports and covered parking
structures removed or converted
to accommodate in 82 home.
However, in response to
concerns raised by
the Department of Housing New
Development in their JUNE 13th
correspondence, this amendment
has been revised to clarify
that replacement parking is not
required when an uncovered
parking space is removed and
accommodate and at home
regardless of location.
We anticipate that the Coastal
Commission MAY desire changes
here but nonetheless recommend
including these changes but do
not include including these
changes at this time.
Item 13 jd Home Occupancy
Requirement Exemption This
exempts governmental agencies
Land trust and housing
organizations from jd Homeowner
Occupancy Requirements.
Item 2380 homes separate sale
or convenient conveyance.
This proposed amendment
implements A.B. 1033 by
allowing eligible 80 homes to
be converted into individual
condominium units and sold
separately from the primary
residence.
It applies the city of
Condominium conversion
regulations including the first
right of refusal for existing
tenants to ensure tenant
protections are maintained.
80 homes that receive financing
or assistance from the senior
Housing Commission or otherwise
deemed restricted are not
eligible for conversion or
separate sale during the term
of this restriction.
As additional coordination with
the Housing Commission is still
required at the MAY 15th, 2025
Lenders and Housing Committee
meeting the committee discussed
a preference for for sale 80
homes to be offered to buyers
who intend to occupy the ideal
home first.
The City Planning Department
has amended this proposal to
require that 82 homes conveyed
separately from the primary
residence must be listed on at
least two publicly accessible
real estate websites or
databases for at least 30 days.
This listing must also include
a disclosure indicating a
preference for the 80 home to
be offered to buyers intending
to use the adi home as their
primary residence.
>> Item 25 two story height
limit.
This proposed amendment was
added after the Planning
Commission hearing in response
to the recommendation to limit
the height of an 80 home
structure to two stories.
Based on feedback from
the lands and Housing Committee
meeting, this proposal has been
further amended to clarify that
the two storey height
limitation would only apply to
detached 80 home structures and
80 homes attached to an
existing accessory structure on
single family zoned lots.
This limitation is also
consistent with state law and
based on height limitations
would continue to apply.
The following amendments are
specific to the Home Density
bonus program.
Item 14 Applicability.
The program currently applies
in all zones that allow
residential uses.
This proposed amendment
previously removed eligibility
for 80 home density bonus
projects in the rs one one rs
one to rs one three rs one for
rs when eight rs one nine rs
110 and rs 111 zones based on
feedback from Councilmember
Kent Lee and the California
Department of Housing New
Development.
City Planning Director Heidi
von Blum issued a memorandum on
JUNE 14th revising
the amendment to restore
eligibility for the 80 home
density bonus program on
parcels within these zones.
Under the revised language all
of eligibility is permitted if
the portion of the premises
proposed for development is
located in a high or high
resourced opportunity area as
designated by the California
Tax Credit Allocation
Committee.
At the time the development
application is deemed complete
and the parcel is identified as
residential and the applicable
land use plan.
This revision advances
the goals of expanding
affordable housing
opportunities in high resource
areas while ensuring
consistency with state housing
parties including
the requirement to formally
further fair housing.
The rs 1112131418191 ten and
111 basins previously accounted
for approximately 24% of
the land eligible for the ada
Home Density Bonus program.
Under the revised criteria
approximately 75% of
residential parcels located
within hina highest California
tax credit allocation Committee
Opportunity areas remain
eligible.
These zones produce 116 82
homes representing 3.4% of
the 80 s permitted in the rs
zone and just 2% of all eight
homes permitted citywide
between 2021 and 2022.
Item 15 evacuation rounds.
This proposed amendment would
require lots and high or very
high fire severity zones to be
on an improved public street
with at least two evacuation
evacuation routes to qualify
for the 80 home density bonus
program.
It also prohibits the program
in lots anchored in cul de sacs
or streets with only one point
of ingress and egress in a high
or very high fire hazard
severity zones.
Item 16 Developmental scale at
both the Planning Commission
and the Land Use and Housing
Committee meetings discussions
focused on limiting
the development scale projects
on the ada Home Density Bonus
program.
This proposed amendment is
intended to promote 80 homes
that are scaled to
the surrounding area,
especially on larger and
environmentally sensitive lots
for multiple families zones
with environmentally sensitive
lands.
The floor area ratio would be
calculated based only on
the portion lot that does not
contain environmentally
sensitive lands.
To limit the development scale
on single family lots the lot
area used to calculate
the floor ratio is proposed to
be capped at 8000ft.
This area MAY be further
reduced by excluding portions
of the lot that contain
environmentally sensitive lands
.
In response to the Planning
Commission's direction,
the Language and Housing
Committee was presented with
additional strategies to
further limit development
scale.
These included establishing a
minimum 80 home size capping
the number of adu homes
permitted per lot and reducing
the lawyer ratio calculation.
The City Planning Department
Development presented these
options for the committee's
consideration and ultimately
the committee recommended
limiting development scale by
applying a cap on the total
number of adu homes allowed
under the medium density bonus
program.
In response to
the recommendation from
the Land Use and Housing
Committee, the City Planning
Department has further revised
the proposed amendments to
include in addition to using an
adjusted lot area to calculate
the floor area ratio a cap on
the number of 80 and 80 homes
on single family zone lots.
A new option has been created
incorporating a maximum cap of
4 to 7 Adu and jd Homes based
on the lot area for single
family zone Lot.
As shown in this table.
Please note that
the clarification was made and
the JUNE 13th crux Remember to
ensure that if a lot contains
environmentally sensitive lands
the lot area shall be
determined based on
the developable area.
As an alternative the City
Council could also adopt a
different unit cap.
The City Planning Department
would also like to provide an
additional enhancement to
the program.
The medium density bonus
program currently requires one
deed restricted adu home for
each bonus Adu home deed
restrictions must last at least
ten years for those restricted
to very low income or low
income households and 15 years
for those restricted to
moderate income households.
Based on the Senior Housing
Commission's income and rate
calculations, rents for
moderate moderate income
restricted areas at 100 per 10%
area mirrored in median income
MAY closely aligned with market
rents.
Revising the area home density
bonus program to require all 82
homes to be restricted at
moderate incomes strengthens
the city's efforts to meet its
regional housing needs
Assessment goals by increasing
the supplies of research to
moderate income affordable
housing while still allowing
this option to district at very
low or very low income for
market rate Adus.
This option would further
ensure that all adu homes
developed under the program are
aligned with the city's
affordable housing objectives
incentivize them production of
very low low and moderate
income adu homes and maximizing
the program's overall
effectiveness.
Item 17 required automatic fire
sprinkler systems require
automatic fire sprinkler
systems for all detached
affordable adu and bonus adu
homes.
Similar to the requirements for
multiple dwelling unit
buildings.
Item 18 parking This proposed
amendment require one off
street parking fees for each
affordable and bonus Adu home
located outside of the transit
party area.
State law prohibits local
agencies from requiring parking
within a transit priority area.
Item 19 Deed Restriction
Agreements for Affordable adu
Homes.
This proposal clarifies that
the necessary written agreement
between the applicant and
the San Diego Housing
Commission along with the deed
of trust for each affordable
adu must be fully executed
prior to the issuance of
the first building permit.
Item 20 clarifies that
affordable ada homes and
accessible ada homes
constructed to the program must
be in comparable in size and
include at least the same
number of bedrooms as the bonus
adu homes.
Item 21 A.D. Home Density Bonus
Program Compliance increases
penalties for violations of
affordability requirements
under the program by imposing a
minimum fine of $10,000 per 80
home per month.
If an ideal home is not rented
to a qualified household this
is this.
This is to help ensure long
term compliance and preserve
affordable housing.
Item 22 establishes a community
enhancement fee for all
affordable and bonus adu homes
under 750ft.
Developed the 80 home density
bonus program while state law
prohibits development impact
fees for areas under 750ft.
This ensures that all it's
usable in the program
contribute to the neighborhood
infrastructure needs.
This would be calculated based
on the square footage and mere
existing development impact
fees for multifamily units.
In response, the Land Use and
Housing Commission's motion
this proposed fee has been
revised to incentivize
affordable homes and
affirmatively further for
housing.
Deed restrictive very low
income and low income
affordable ada homes that are
located within areas identified
as moderate, high or very high.
Tax Court Allocation Committee
Opportunity areas would be
exempt from paying
the Affordable Community
Enhancement fee.
In addition, an amendment was
included in the Correction memo
dated JUNE 13th to specify that
these funds would be allocated
for neighborhood enhancing
improvements and services
solely in communities of
concern to ensure these
communities directly benefit
from the development of at home
density bonus program projects.
Item 24 is a clarification to
the Sustainable Development
Area definition.
The 80 Home Density Bonus
program allows for additional
80 homes within the sustainable
development area.
Missile Code defines a
sustainable development area
based on a defined walking
distance along a pedestrian
path a travel to a major
transit stop.
This proposed amendment further
clarifies the City Planning
Department's interpretation
that the pedestrian path of
travel must include a sidewalk
.
Information was shared a
memorandum from the City
Planning Department to
the Community Planners
Committee on MARCH 21st 2025 to
facilitate discussions related
to the recommendation from
the committee.
Additionally, the City Planning
Department accepted feedback
from community members and
stakeholders throughout
the hearing process.
On APRIL 22nd, 2025
the Community Planners
Committee approved
the following two motions.
Motion one.
Approve changes to all rc zones
and there are a submission
matrix.
This motion was approved 21
220.
Motion to approve their
proposal Number three for armed
zones to allow two city bonus
affordable adas on every r r m
lot if allowed by the f r.
Excluded from the city bonus
Affordable adu program would be
lots that have maxed out or
even overbuilt their unit
density allowance.
These lots among all others
would still allow city to use
up to eight approval including
recommendation in the arms own
matrix.
This motion was approved 21
2022.
The City Planning Department
submitted the draft amendments
The California Department of
Housing Community Development
for review on APRIL 25th, 2025
in response to the housing
the city's initial comments
were received on MAY 30th,
2025.
The proposed regulations were
revised to address concerns
related to fire safety and
setbacks.
Although hpd did not inform
city planning that they had
further comments, a subsequent
response from each city was
received on JUNE 13, 2025.
Staff has since provided a
followup response which was
the distribute to the City
Council on JUNE 14th, 2025.
The final ordinance will be
submitted to each city for
formal review and the City
Planning Department will submit
a formal response to it by
the requested deadline.
City planning will continue to
coordinate with each city to
ensure consistency with housing
element requirements and
maintain compliance moving
forward.
Staff's recommendation is to
adopt a resolution determining
that the approval of the 80 and
80 regular amendments the City
Municipal Code and Local
Coastal Program Amendment are
category exempt from
the California Environmental
Quality Act under article
guideline sections 15282 each
and 15332.
Number two is to adopt an
ordinance amending the ada and
jd Regulations in the City
Municipal Code and local
coastal program Number three
adopt a resolution approving
the 80 Home density program
Community Enhancement Fee.
>> Thank you very much for your
time today.
This concludes Stat's
presentation.
Thank you.
There's a pretty intense
presentation there but you did
a great job so thank you very
much for walking through every
element of the ordinance in
front of us.
So with that city clerk let us
know how many public comments
we have and then please
proceed.
>> Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT.
We currently have 196 speakers
here in council chambers and we
have about eight people with
their hands raised in
the virtual queue at
the moment.
That of course can increase
when I call your name if you
can please come up to the front
yellow reserved seats at
the front of the room.
I'd really appreciate it Help
with meeting management.
And just as a reminder of
course the council PRESIDENT
Said you know, wave your hands
or do your thumbs down.
I'll call the first five
people.
The first person can come up to
the microphone.
Lisa Jang.
Janet, if you can please come
up to the microphone.
After that will be Bruce, Judy
Mitchell, Larry Webb, Dennis
Lynch, Nina Smullen and Shane
Harris.
If you can all please come up
to the yellow reserved seats at
the front.
And Lisa, you'll be our first
speaker due to the amount of
speakers It will be a minute
each.
>> Please proceed when ready.
Good afternoon.
My neighbor burnt up alive in
the San Diego wildfires.
Yet b via bonus edu programs
allow dance develop at mit in
very high fire hazard zones and
cul de sac with no secondary
access.
Recent L.A. Fires devastation
with the flames swirling around
and everywhere and residents
can't evacuate and first
responders can't get in.
There's no time to get us out
safe.
At 2925 through 2939 Cowley Way
we're checking Canyon is a
ticking time bomb of overgrowth
reform and safety before
developers profit.
>> Please, please council
members, I beg you to help
protect us.
>> Thank you.
Bruce Coombs.
Good afternoon.
Members of the council staff
and the city Attorney.
Bruce, Executive Director.
Save our Heritage organization
and remain supportive of And
they are as 1-7 zone of a
single junior aid to you and a
single regular aide to you And
we could support a possible
bonus 80 you if it is deed
restricted for 55 years.
The rents were below market
much lower than what we've
talked about in the past here
And rent control But that is
all we should think we could
support in this and historic
districts.
So that's a total of four units
where the existing unit.
Thank you.
>> Thank you, Judy.
>> Good afternoon.
My name is Judy Mitchell and
I'm a board member of the Sara
mesa Community Council.
I'm here representing other
members of the community to
please ask the council to
consider some restrictions on
the development that has grown
out of the original idea of 80
use that we thought would be
something good for the city.
i'm wearing my City Connect
Padre shirt like I did at
the planning group because I
want everyone to remember we're
all in this together.
We need to connect.
We need to come to something in
terms of agreement that will
help the city.
We all know we need housing but
apartment buildings in our
backyards not being able to get
out of our driveways can't put
our trash cans down.
It's gotten completely out of
control.
There are things that we cannot
control in our lives like
Dodger fans slithering into our
stadiums.
>> But the city council does
have the ability to help us
vote to get some restrictions
like height and number of unit
limits on these 80 years.
>> Thank you, Larry.
>> We're Larry Webb Other year
you have Time City to you by
Catherine Douglass Please raise
your hand and the thank you
You'll have three minutes
Please raise some pictures can
be distributed to come My staff
will come and get it right now
.
Thank you.
Council members Larry Webb with
Mission Beach Precise Planning
board in our APRIL meeting
the board voted to recommend
the city not allow a use of
Mission Beach.
A letter substantiating that
recommendation was sent to each
of your offices and we have met
with staff from several council
officers State Adu law allows
been anthropologie's to exclude
ideas from certain areas.
Findings can be made that not
enforcing the mission beach
Plan district ordinance
requirements will have a
substantial negative impact on
Mission Beach Since Mission
Beach is heavily used by
constituents from each of your
districts a negative impact on
the city as a whole.
Those pictures will show what
traffic is like for your people
to get in mission Beach Now
Mission Beach does not
currently meet emergency
ingress egress standards.
Public safety will further be
compromised by the addition of
80 use Findings can also be
made that not allowing aid to
use in mission Beach will have
no negative impact on
the city's ability to meet its
share of specified housing
needs.
Mission Beach's existing
density of 36 units per acre is
already higher than
the densities being achieved by
the density bonus program
allowing it to use in Mission
Beach will result in structures
that are out of compliance with
both Mission Beach precise plan
and Plan District ordinance An
important strategy of
the city's coastal resilience
Master plan is to realign or
relocate assets out of hazard
areas and limit new development
in vulnerable areas.
Given this topography, Mission
Beach is most vulnerable to sea
level rise in the city Sea
level rise policy guidance is
to be proactive and minimize
future risk.
Preventing use will intensify
not minimize the risk.
Why add 80 use to an area
required to have a retreat
relocation plan This past
Thursday the Coastal
Commission, based on the most
recent local coastal plan ruled
that a proposed project on
Ocean Front walk will be have
to be placed on six foot
pillars because of future sea
level rise that reduces
the maximum possible density of
that lot from three units to
two units The Coastal Act
section 30213 states that lower
cost visitor and recreation
developments should be
protected and encouraged They
use is the lowest cost access
to the beach for all of your
constituents.
The mission beach is
the highest demand They use
beach in San Diego is also most
parking constrained beach
making street parking in public
parking lots an important low
cost resource for coastal
access permitting aid use
reduced or no parking reduces
ignores the needs of
the people.
Section 3o213 is designed to
protect but not protecting
public parking.
There is no evidence that Adu
residents do not have cars
Beach Consider our
recommendation.
>> Dennis Lynch Dennis you have
time to buy Gloria Hanser
Gloria please raise your hand.
Thank you And Steve Great Thank
you very much.
Dennis Thank you for
the opportunity to speak today.
Dennis Lynch a native of
Mission Beach on the Mission
Beach Precise Planning Board
which I am speaking for member
for 45 years minus two.
Let me say at the beginning
that we're requesting that we
be excluded for density
purposes.
I want to give you
the beginning and the end of my
speech and then fill in
the middle because I'm sure I'm
going to run out of time at
the outset.
You all know I'm sure that
Mission Beach has the highest
density of all the communities
in San Diego.
Are you also aware that it has
the highest density of any
beach community on the coast of
California?
Are you also aware that it has
a higher density than the 17
unit project at the end of
the cul de sac than a mile
Avenue So we're there without
Addus mission Beach is a
playground for much of San
Diego.
I would guess everybody in
the council has people who
visit Mission Beach on a
regular basis.
The draw is both local with
Belmont Park and just the fact
that it's got ocean on
the front and bays on the back
were an integral part of
mission.
Bay Park which is the largest
aquatic park in the nation.
We also have national venues
and international venues for
recreational and athletic
events were on the map for
people were a place to go.
We've always had crowd in
getting into development.
We've always had crowding and
parking problems in Mission
Beach ever since I was a kid
and we in 1979 developed
the first Plan District
coordinates in San Diego that
went into effect with parking
requirements for every unit but
least two.
We have two basic lot sizes in
Mission Beach we have a 1200
and 50ft in residential north
which is Santa Clara up to pb
Drive.
We have 20 400 square foot lots
from Santa Clara drive down to
the jetty in South Mission in
comparison a lot and Pacific
Beach is basically 5 or 6000ft
with these small lots we put on
to units under 24 by 80s from
Santa Clara and a mandatory
four parking spaces are set
setbacks or most normally three
feet so the distance between
houses are six feet If they go
up 20ft and they have to have a
five foot setback, we have no
room for additional units in
Mission Beach.
We're already maxed out.
We're doing the best that we
can And even though we
developed a redevelopment
program that required a lot of
parking, we're losing
constantly the parking battle
at night people park on San
Diego Point Santa Clara Point
and your time has concluded,
sir.
>> Thank you, Minister.
>> Niceness melon okay.
You've been doing pretty good
but allow us to kind of get
through these 200 speakers that
are going to come up.
So the waving the hands is very
effective from up here.
>> Thank you.
Good afternoon.
Council PRESIDENT LaCava and
council members.
My name is Nicholas Milan.
I'm a commercial real estate
broker with Majesty Real Estate
and I come before you today not
just as a professional but as
someone deeply invested in
the future livability and
affordability of our city.
>> San Diego is facing a
serious housing crisis.
We're consistently ranked among
the most expensive cities in
the nation to live in.
Families are being priced out.
Workers are commuting longer
distances and young people
can't afford to stay.
Limiting housing options right
now especially ones as
efficient and community
friendly as they use would be a
step in the wrong direction.
The 80 bonus program has
already proven to be one of
the most effective tools we
have for adding rental housing
quickly and affordably.
>> Programs like this increase
competition in the rental
market.
>> Thank you for that
concluding remarks.
Got it.
Yep.
One minute.
Thank you.
Shane Harris.
You have time ceded to you by
Donna Regalado.
Donna, please raise your hand.
Thank you.
And then Marty Grimm, thank you
so much.
>> You'll have three minutes.
Please proceed.
>> Good afternoon, Council.
My name is Shane Harris and I'm
a resident of District three.
The founder of the People's
Association of Justice
Advocates and ceo of Harris
Communications.
I'm here to speak in support of
item 2 or 2 before you today
with a few requested amendments
on the Edu property cap.
I would like to thank first and
foremost Councilmember Foster
and more importantly
the communities of Encanto and
Beyond who garnered support and
brought together collaborative
efforts to champion needed
reforms to this adu bonus
program.
This critical item today seeks
to provide long needed
amendments to the unintended
consequences of the city's
Bonus to You program.
Now let's be clear The city
needs housing.
There's no way around that No
ifs, ands or buts about that.
The city and our state is
losing people more and more and
more.
The millennial generation my
generation Generation y cannot
afford to live in San Diego.
But let's also be clear about
another fact Just because you
have a housing crisis doesn't
mean that you cannot just
continue to allow developers to
ransack neighborhoods by
stripping their character
killing generational wealth
while not providing parking and
not providing the needed
resources pertaining to
affordable housing.
The Bonus 80 You program MAY
have started with good
intentions of needing to build
more housing but it didn't.
But it did end up benefiting a
few developers who MAY look at
it as a money grab not a
community partnership.
They argued that it provides
more opportunities for public
transit yet many of these
properties ended up a mile and
more away from public transit.
They argued amenities yet 80
use have been farther away from
coffee shops and grocery stores
and the main amenity of
parking.
>> Many of them have not
provided.
My friends that is not
affordable housing for my
generation.
It's not strategic by any
stretch.
Today's item needs to do a few
things but of all things it
allows a cap of up to seven
eight to use on any given
property.
That is just ridiculous and too
many.
We can't give We can't give.
We can't give these folks any
more room.
>> The neighborhoods of Emerald
Hills and in Council mission
Beach and Claremont Barrio
Logan have had enough.
So we've heard the concerns and
I've also raised them Lack of
parking, the impact of
handicapped accessible,
the congestion of
neighborhoods, the stocking
stacking, the multiple any use
on any given property like
roadblocks.
I would like to request an
amendment on the floor today.
I'd like to request that you
bring forth a cap of up to four
a to use on any given property
which still goes above state's
to 80 you cap that is already
required by state law.
This program MAY have started
with good intentions but it
needs massive reform.
>> Thank you for that
concluding comment.
If I can have the following
individuals please come up to
the yellow reserved seats and
Mohammed Omar please come up to
the microphone.
Mohammed Omar Jesse Schmidt.
Manny Ramirez Pamela Vigil and
tennis by chair of Chris
Jackson and Cesar Hevia as well
as Rafael Perez.
If you can all please come up
to the yellow reserved seats
and Muhammad, you MAY come up
to the microphone.
Good afternoon, council
members.
Good afternoon, council
members.
My name is Muhammad Omar.
I'm with the Partnership for
the Advancement of New
Americans.
I'm also I'm also part of
the coalition for Equitable
Development.
I'm here to urge you to
reconsider the proposed
amendments and avoid further
disfranchize in low and
moderate income San Diego's San
Diego is not even evenly split
between renters and home owners
and we need policymakers to
equitably represent the unique
needs of renters not just those
of existing home owners.
Our letter to the City Council
urges the city to analyze how
the cumulative impact of
the amendments including
community enhancement fees
could inhibit the production of
affordable homes and home owner
ownership opportunities in ways
that fail to affirmatively
further fair housing.
Our specific concerns include
losing 24% of the developable
area from the program
Artificially artificially
capping the development lot
size setting a two story high
limit.
>> Thank you for that
concluding comment.
Jesse Schmieding.
Good afternoon.
>> Council PRESIDENT Council
Members My name is Jesse
Schmidt.
State policy Manager for San
Diego and a steering committee
member on the Coalition for
Equitable Development.
We appreciate the conversations
had with many of your offices
over the last couple of days,
including the mayor's office, a
number of community
organizations and from our
coalition coalition had sent
all of your offices a letter
last week highlighting our
concerns with the proposed
amendments to the very
successful ag Bonus program.
While we recognize a balanced
approach must be achieved, we
don't believe this policy
before us makes that clear.
We would like to express our
gratitude for each side's
letter over the weekend
reiterating many of the same
concerns that our members
brought up when this issue was
first discussed.
We are asking the city to
ensure that there are robust
options for all prospective
residents and specifically
implementing the following
waiving community enhancement
fees for projects offering
deeper affordability.
Creating a publicly accessible
database for prospective
renters and buyers can locate
deed restricted units and
exempt nonprofits and churches
from additional burdensome
regulations that prevents
the acceleration of affordable
housing and fails to
affirmatively furthering fair
housing.
>> Comment Manny Ramirez Thank
you.
Manny Rodriguez also here with
the Coalition for Equitable
Development or a coalition of
community based organizations
working to bring more diverse
voices into the housing policy
space.
You know, we're hearing a lot
today from people who already
own homes and who already are,
you know, well established.
But we also want to bring in
more people who are struggling
to find rent or are struggling
to make rent.
This community is struggling to
find homes.
You know, I want to make a
quick comment about the bonus
program.
You know, it builds to youth
with a rent cap of $2,300 If
that's the cap.
Not everyone is going to rent
that high.
But keep in mind that to live
in the single family home,
the median rent to rent out a
whole home is $4,500 and
the median mortgage is $6,000.
The other program here that's
producing rent thousands of
dollars cheaper than what is
out there in single family
homes.
So I don't think it's a stretch
to say that if you eliminate
the bonus program today or
severely restricted you're
eliminating cheaper rents from
the city.
So I really want you to think
about that and I hope you can
consider the voices of everyone
not in this room today.
>> Thank you, Pamela.
Pamela Gill my apologies.
Several people seated you times
if they can please raise their
hand.
Larry Erdman, Andrew Hodges,
Jake Masters, Lexi Neri, Karen
Good Jessica Thank you.
Earl Chang.
Chris Ellison.
Leandro Cooper Lynch and Rick
Masters.
That'll be 11 minutes.
Please proceed.
Okay.
I have slides also and she's I
know she's getting them.
Good afternoon.
My name is Pamela Biegel.
It really is.
And I'm just here representing
myself and my friends here and
I hope I have some friends.
I realize that trying to run a
city as large as San Diego is
pretty much a thankless job and
you probably get a little tired
of people coming up here and
yelling at you.
So that's not what I'm going to
do today.
I applaud the city and
the state's effort to loosen
the eu regulations so
homeowners can build a addus in
their backyards for their
elderly parents, for their
children coming home, starting
a family or even for extra
income.
However, what is the saying No
good deed ever goes unpunished
.
First slide please.
>> The 18 units on Elmira and
Claremont has become a news
darling because of the fact
that it's on a cul de sac with
no parking.
Some consider it an outlier.
It's not.
I believe this is
the unintended consequences.
>> David Fisher of
the California Housing
Community Development of hdb
was referring to in his last
minute letter to MISS Heidi von
Blum of our planning director
saying In San Diego I cannot
decide if the letter was
threatening to you or if they
were trying to provide you with
cover.
I don't know.
Next slide please.
From what I have seen and
understand most of these more
egregious massive 82 apartment
complex cities are being built
by just a handful of developers
Just a handful.
Like MR. Daniel Skolnick of
Atlas West Group and MR.
Christian Spicer of sd three
Pro Kal Vertical mvm
Construction along with MR.
Tommy Hinson of the investor
group Fletcher Cove Capital in
partnership with MR. Josh Steck
of Sun Inc.
MR. Spicer even says on page 50
of his advertising brochures
and I quote We are the largest
company doing this type of
development in San Diego.
Next slide please.
In reference to MR. Christian
Spicer and his partners,
the pattern goes like this.
Sun Inc, owned by MR. Justice
heavily advertises to
the residents of our city
stating I will buy your home.
No closing cost.
You even can get a $20,000
advance.
Then if the property has what
MR. Spicer calls the golden
ticket meaning a large backyard
no pool, no elaborate planning,
just grass or dirt, he snaps
that up.
MR. Spicer is quoted in his
advertising brochure on page 44
saying We have new technology
to expedite processing of
pertinent data to stay ahead of
competition.
We actively and aggressively
pursue deals.
I'm not exactly sure how he's
partnered with Sun since it's
supposed to be a bidding
process to get the highest
bidder for the homeowner.
MR. Spicer and MR. Hinson
purchased the house and if it
is a three bedroom, two bath or
more they split it into two
rental units.
Then they take their already
approved plans of the 441ft
two story boxes and they'll jam
as many of those into
the backyard as they can get in
there within the four foot
limit Most of the properties
are fixer uppers and they would
make a great first time
homebuyer property but they're
being snatched up by MR. Spicer
and MR. Hinson and investors
started as far back as 2021.
MR. Spicer further says on page
46 to investors we have a
unique opportunity to acquire
these properties now before
homeowner awareness and prices
jump.
On page 23 MR. Spicer is quoted
in saying more prospective home
buyers are turning to
indefinite renting indefinite
renting.
Let me repeat that.
More prospective home buyers
are turning to indefinite
renting and he's probably
right.
We don't have rent control here
like Los Angeles or Orange
County.
Next slide.
Next slide please.
Another thing is happening to
our city and that is when MR.
Spicer's group buys a property
There's no notice to neighbors.
They start building these huge
multi-use unit apartment
complexes and the neighbors
living on either side or on
limited parking streets that
are cul de sacs See
the disaster headed their way
and they sell and leave.
How would you like it if a
massive unit ended up right
next to your face?
You wouldn't like it.
MR. Spicer is selling the 4675
Firestone Street that he built
with 14 units.
He is selling it for $5.2
million again $5.2 million.
It is listed right now on
the mls on the realtor site
Markus and Millichap.
I don't know what he's going to
sell the second property for
because the person on the side
of his first project they got
out, they couldn't take it.
MR. Spicer has been telling all
of his investors that every
unit will be rent market or
higher.
He did not put any as
affordable.
Look at his rent rolls.
I will show you how to do that
.
>> My wonderful assistants have
been showing you many examples
of what you call outliers.
They're not These are just
the ones the builders have
started Started.
This is just the tip of
the iceberg.
This tsunami is coming our way.
As you see from this slide, MR.
Spicer says in his advertising
brochure he has 1803 housing
starts And just this past
Thursday he put that up.
Just this past Thursday he put
that up.
One of my questions to you is
who's going to manage these
apartments complexes of ten,
12, 20, 24, 28.
There's no leasing agent there.
Who's going to manage them?
MR..
Spicer has listed on page 38
through 42 of his 50 page
advertising brochure that he
put out last year on APRIL 4th.
44 units on Tarbox Street.
77 units on Leghorn Avenue.
107 units on Benson Avenue.
129 units on Chelsea, Sidney
and Pacific Drive.
151 units on Greenly and 32nd.
And last but not least 750
units on z Street in South
Crest.
Next slide please.
So you don't think I'm making
all this up?
I came with the receipts today
.
These are the websites where I
was able to publicly get every
piece of information I just
gave you.
You can do it to.
It took my 77 year old husband
two minutes on his iPhone to
find them.
Sorry, dear.
It's I assume come back slash
sd r e official and I assume
dot com backsplash t w h 1031
Now they're up there for now
but I want anyone to know if he
decides to take them off.
I have downloaded the pertinent
information in and if he tries
to alternate anything on there
I've got the downloaded
information.
>> My husband obtained his
general contracting license in
1976.
That's how old we are.
I joined him in 1983.
He has done commercial
government custom home
remodeling and even yacht
remodeling.
We are both retired now but we
are very familiar with proper
building codes And even though
you guys were kind of a pain in
the neck to us it's because of
you that these properties have
made the occupants safe and
the people in San Diego safe.
We appreciate that by loosening
so many of these restrictions
with this 80 you brain bonus
program I see major issues
headed your way.
A very odd thing happened while
I was driving around these
sites when I went because as
you can tell I've taken a
couple of pictures.
Can't you?
I came to 6821 Newbold Court
and I saw the Fox five kusi
News there and I was listening
to their broadcast.
It was my understanding that
the neighbors all came to that
cul de sac and they were going
to meet with MR. Campos aide
Correct.
And when the developer showed
up and saw your cameras boom,
he was gone And in within a few
minutes so was this whole
entire construction crew.
As I said, we've been in
construction many years.
We've never run away like that
and we've never had our crew
leave.
Why would you do that Unless
you're doing something you know
you shouldn't be doing who's
going to be liable to the city
in these already dense
neighborhoods?
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
A-10s, a-10s, vhf you have
times needed to you if you
could please raise your hand by
Fred Bigley.
Fred.
Oh, sorry.
Thank you.
Tom o'Neil and Brigitte Poizner
.
Brigitte Oh, sorry.
Thank you.
>> You'll have four minutes.
Please proceed.
So many of the proposed changes
to a bonus edu program are very
controversial.
We can tell that by all
the people who have spoken
about it since the amendment
process began and all
the people who are here today.
I want to talk about one that
is controversial and hopefully
shouldn't be controversial to
anybody who's at all familiar
with Southern California and
the fire risk that we face
here.
Item 15.
The proposed changes would make
the bonus edu program
unavailable to homes fronting
cul de sacs and those with less
than two evacuation routes in
high fire and very high fire
severity zones.
This is an item that is clearly
borne out of the ever present
threat of wildfire of wildfire
that we all know is part of
the price of living in Southern
California.
Now I know there are some there
are some issues raised by
the State Department of Housing
and Community Development and
they've been addressed.
Maybe but this is one item that
wasn't flagged by them and it
should pass today regardless.
>> But in addition, before this
gets passed, I think you have
the opportunity to make it very
clear that it needs to apply to
projects that are currently
pending and projects that have
applications that have gone
through and not even been
approved yet.
The mere fact that a project
permit was filed before these
amendments passed if they do
pass or the fact that
construction started does not
make it any less dangerous and
does not take care of any of
the issues that made this
amendment come to in the first
place.
What's more, California is
explicit in that you are
allowed to enforce code changes
after applications are
submitted to currently ongoing
projects.
Section 65589.5 Subsection 2ob
of the California Government
Code allows housing development
projects to be subject to
ordinances, policies, standards
or any other measures that went
into effect after a permit
application was filed.
If the record establishes that
doing so is necessary to avoid
specific adverse impacts on
health or safety and there is
no alternative feasible method
to mitigate or avoid
the adverse impact.
This is clearly the case here.
There is no way to create a
secondary evacuation route on a
cul de sac.
Now I was a kid living in San
Diego during the Cedar Fire but
I still remember the horrors
that we faced in watching
the fires get closer and closer
to our houses.
And recently the Palisades and
fires in Los Angeles remind us
all that it's not a matter of
if the next tragedy will happen
but when and the council
chooses not to act now.
You are consciously choosing to
put lives at risk.
We could have done something
today.
In fact, those of you that have
the Watch Duty app we've all
been getting notifications of
our fire that's ongoing right
now.
Hopefully it's not the next big
one but it could be.
So don't let the next fire
prove what could have been
prevented.
Amend item 15 to make sure that
applies to current ongoing
projects and go past today.
>> Thank you very much.
Thank you.
If we can have the following
individuals well Chris Jackson
is the next speaker.
Please come to the microphone
then after that.
So these are heavier Rafael
Perez, Trudy Greenlane, Suzanne
Retellings, Lucy Margaret
Price, Madeline Gennaro and
Karen Venn to Amelia If you can
all please come up to
the yellow reserved seats And
Chris please proceed when ready
.
All right.
I won't take much of your time
today.
It's a long day.
Summary is I commend
the efforts in the single
family lots.
I think that's something that
we're needing to limit to be
able to help individuals that
live in communities, stay in a
community, feel as developer
and multifamily lots.
That is the area that we have
and need to be able to develop
and help further need
the housing shortage.
Currently about 73% of
the nation in multifamily
housing developments has shrunk
in comparison to 2023 figures
simply because the numbers just
don't make sense anymore.
So there's got to be some kind
of hybrid.
And so my recommendation today
is to keep the bonds that you
program in play for multifamily
zones and find some letting
many factors to help out those
within the community here.
>> Thank you.
Thank you.
Cesar Xavier.
You'll have two minutes.
Sister of the Year You need not
to think you're just to
implement the mandate of
the state of California
the Environmental Quality Act.
What have you done since 2020
with this new administration?
Cheryl Farber What is my
district nine?
What was the reason why he's
absent?
He must be in the front line
particularly in solving our
dense neighborhood.
This is the problem.
You got your position, you got
your authority but you are not
responsibly creating that
justification that you are
there.
You have your ten fingers.
You're not using it.
You're covering up all
the solution makings.
If this is the kind of
discussion we are the losers.
You are the losers.
We lost trust on you like this
in home suitable surroundings.
Is this your solution?
Keeping that property vanish
and theirs and theirs without
preparing for the population
explosion or growth which is
natural for Christians Go here
and multiply.
We have to prepare for that for
the nation Home of San Diego.
What did you do today and have
more years and you say bye bye.
>> We are not affordable
housing but fancy mansions.
Cheryl Acaba, Sheryl Ribera and
the rest of you let's sacrifice
a little bit Let's think
research because the solution
is there.
Let's copy other countries to
resolve this housing crisis.
>> We have 10,000 homeless per
day included.
>> Thank you, Rafael Perez
Hello.
>> My name is Rafael Perez and
I'm the board chair of
the Casita Coalition.
We all know that there's a
shortage of starter homes and
that's why we cosponsored ab
1033 to allow these 80 use to
become starter homes.
Now let me be clear
Implementing this state bill
does not allow anything to be
built.
They can already be built under
current law.
What it does do is allow
the opportunity for a homeowner
to decide whether to rent,
occupy or sell their adu.
I want to thank city staff for
adding the 30 day priority
period for owner occupants to
ensure there's a fair
opportunity for homebuyers to
have a fair shot at these
starter homes.
We have seen what this has done
in other cities where these
homes sell for 40 to 60% of
what other homes in
the neighborhood sell for.
This will help many San Diegans
hold on to the hope that
someday they can own their own
starter home so they can avoid
displacement and secure their
own financial futures.
>> Thank you.
Thank you.
Next is Trudy.
>> I am Trudy Granlund.
I am a we are San Diego.
I also said you have noticed
that I have my website up with
all this on there for everybody
to find out.
>> I know that we need housing
but the ad use Has there been a
study by the city on how much
the rents are on them Because
to my understanding most of
them are renting 450ft for
over 2500 a month and that
takes an income of over 72,000
a year for one person.
These are not starter homes
because you can't fit two
people and a baby in them.
So of affordable housing that
we're trying to achieve we need
to do that And this is not
going to prevent us or cause us
to get in trouble with the oecd
in the state housing laws.
We're on the track.
We have over 173% over
affordable over luxury.
The high level homes already
have been put into production.
We're at way over We have so
many high level homes,
expensive homes in this.
>> We're way over.
Thank you.
Thank you, Susan.
Readily Susan Rowlings and
Norman Heights fire Steve
Counsel thank you for taking my
comments.
Enhancement of the Adu and Adu
permits in single family
residential zones encourages
the gaming of the bonus edu
program One granny flat used to
mean one granny flat.
Abusive numbers of bonus to use
due to use triggers commercial
trash pickup.
Is there a correlation between
that and the new trash fees?
Is this the city cutting costs
while increasing profits to pay
for deficits?
Bonus to you.
Do you programs do nothing to
alleviate housing shortage?
Build them to the sky adjacent
to the transit hubs.
Infrastructure is inadequate
for increasing population
sometimes nine times with
abusive numbers of 80 use
allowed for one property As a
city invented water.
Or have they even finished a
project like Undergrounding
Power in our neighborhoods?
What capacity for growth in
that long overdue
undergrounding of these nine
adus are going to be built with
all electric appliances older
homes being retrofitted, etc..
Thank you for that very high
hazard severity zones.
>> Thank you, Lucy.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
I am Lucy Price.
My family has lived in the same
place in Encanto since 1907.
I'm the last one.
>> And yet you want to take
away my car?
You want to make my
disabilities more difficult by
not providing timely and
accessible public
transportation in Encanto.
You are making emergency
response more difficult and
trash pickup confusing.
I live in Arias one six where
you're going to throw us under
the bus and you want us to pay
for trash pickup.
That's going to be hard to do
with all the cars parked down
the street from other people.
I believe many of you have a
conflict of interest with
developers and I believe it is
just absolutely unconscionable
because when I die and two
pieces of land get sold,
Encanto is destroyed.
>> Thank you.
>> Madeline Gennaro.
Hello.
My name is Madeline De Niro.
I'm one of the few millennial
homeowners and I'm coming from
Claremont.
As a homeowner we are deeply
impacted by the city's current
80 new policies.
In 2019 we invested in solar
panels as something the city
encouraged.
Now we are facing a multi
multi-story next door that will
block that sunlight rendering
our panels less effective and
slashing our return on
investment.
Who is going to reimburse
the homeowners for all of those
losses?
Developers get grants, loans
and fast track permits while we
the rule following homeowners
are left footing the bill to
move panels, install privacy
hedges and undo this damage.
This isn't just inconvenient
it's financially punishing.
And for what?
To squeeze in rental units like
sardines when San Diego already
has tons of vacancies because
they are overpriced.
The burden of this policy is
falling on those who did
everything right.
It's time we stop favoring
the developer profits over
homeowner protections.
We need accountability and
balance before more of us are
forced to pay for mistakes we
did not make.
>> Thank you, Karen.
>> Good afternoon.
Excuse me.
Good afternoon, Council
members.
I'm Karen Ventimiglia.
I represent neighbors for a
better California.
I figure once you get to
deliberations you're probably
going to talk about the letter
that was sent last Friday
afternoon to MISS Von Blum.
And I wanted to kind of just
bring a little bit about that
into this conversation.
It's kind of a coincidence,
right?
This letter was sent Friday
afternoon just less than one
business day before this
meeting.
And it's full of words like meh
and could which were legal
speak for We're not actually
saying you're breaking the law
but we want you to feel like
you are.
There's no ruling.
Excuse me My notes just went
away.
Oh my gosh.
Well anyway, there's no ruling
that says you have to do what
the letter says.
I think you need to think about
the homeowners and act
accordingly and let MS..
Von Blum's suggestions actually
go forward.
Thank you very much.
>> Marcello Marcella Bothwell
You have time ceded to you by
Barbara Williams If you can
please raise your hand.
>> Can a Horsley please raise
your hand?
>> Ken Horsley I see him coming
from the committee room.
Thank you.
>> And Robin, back.
Baker Thank you so much.
You'll have four minutes.
Please proceed.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Council
members.
Last week I met a young couple
together made a $150,000.
Yet they are still priced out
of the San Diego housing market
and Ada could be their lifeline
to build an equity and stay in
San Diego.
Neighbors for a better
California supports 80 years
under the state rules and
the four means four from
the cpc planning group.
These ideas are crucial for
young people chasing
homeownership in today's brutal
housing market.
But the 2008 crash still haunts
us.
Wall Street's financialization
and credit default swaps
reckless speculation turned
homes into casino chips
inflating a bubble that
shattered families and
communities.
Still today we can't let that
happen again.
Smart regulation is our defense
against the market spiraling
out of control?
>> Jim Bass, why do you
disagree with this balanced
regulation that's been put
forward?
It's not perfect.
We'd prefer the 55 year cap.
>> It just targets the 2%
outlier projects massive 1216
or in our case 116.
Or today I heard 750 unit
complexes disrupting single
family zoning while
greenlighting 98% of ados.
This isn't anti housing.
This is responsible regulation.
Oppose it and you risk
dismantling single family home
dreams which 55% of young
people dream if they can afford
it.
Let's stop the blame game.
Support this regulation Make it
better to protect our
communities from
the financialization devouring
our housing market.
Together we can build a San
Diego where young families,
seniors and renters thrive safe
from the greed that fueled
the 2008 collapse.
Please be responsible and make
good policy.
>> Thank you.
Thank you.
If you have already spoken
please if you can return to
your seat to let the yellow
reserved seats be there for
other people.
Next is James Raney, Judy
Murphy, Britta Lindstrom, Evan
Strong and Kate Kaitlyn tamboli
Friedman and Maya Vander
Schuldt.
If you can all please come up
to the yellow reserved seats
And James you can come up to
the microphone microphone.
>> I almost said microwave
James that you have time seated
to you by Sandra if you can
please raise your hand And then
you have one additional slip
that has no name on it.
>> Do you know who seated you
time as Linda MAY get your
name?
>> Thank you.
You'll have three minutes.
Please proceed.
Thank you.
My name is James Rainey.
I've lived in San Diego my
entire life.
We purchased our home and
the How much our community of
District 424 years ago.
I've seen neighbors come and go
homes rebuilt and added onto.
But my neighbors and I have
never been threatened by a
proposal to transform our quiet
single family mostly single
story neighborhood into
the possibility of unlimited
two storey apartment buildings
with a proposed project at 1441
Wood Jo Avenue.
This proposal consists of
the construction of six two
storey 80 new buildings which
is 1280 use in the backyard of
an existing 1290 nine square
foot lot single storey house
which the city currently allows
by San Diego.
Bonus 80 You program.
There are more than 80
properties on Woodrow.
Of which 40 are 10,000ft or
larger most of which could
potentially be overbuilt with
bonus program Two story ideas.
I've come to realize that
the city has no plans to
eliminate or at least restrict
the bonus edu incentives for rs
one seven Zone's properties.
We asked that the Council and
committee members visit Woodrow
Avenue and see for yourself
what this proposal would do to
this neighborhood.
We are respectfully asking
the city of San Diego to reject
any just deny the proposed two
story bonus any new project on
Wonder Avenue before it breaks
ground.
Those developers will live in
our community.
They don't see that.
They only see profits.
They don't see the beauty in
our community.
They don't see unity.
They just see math.
They see additions to their
bottom lines while they use
their vision to destroy our
communities.
Older neighborhoods aren't
equipped to handle the strain
on infrastructure.
There's plenty yellow signs out
here in opposition.
Just remember we elected you
guys to have our best interests
at heart.
Please follow through with
the campaign promises.
>> Thank you.
Judy Murphy.
Good afternoon.
We need your help Us the people
that voted for you to be our
representatives.
>> Represent us, not
the developers and not
the mayor.
>> We need some common sense
and logic when it comes to city
planning.
We don't want another Altadena
or Palisades.
We need an avenue to escape an
overcrowded neighborhoods that
have narrow streets and minimal
arteries aren't conducive to
quick egress in the event of an
emergency.
They can't accommodate
emergency vehicles adding large
scale adu complexes, apartment
buildings turns our
neighborhoods into death traps
.
If nothing else, think about
the lawsuits you could be
avoiding.
You can stop this.
Show us your courage to stand
up against the mayor and
developers.
Show us that you represent us.
No more than four police Britta
.
>> Hello.
I'm asking you to remove
outliers from the bonus Edu
program Specifically projects
with five or more units.
One extreme example that we've
heard of is the Pacifica City
Project a 116 micro units just
450ft each with minimal
parking and only one way in and
out.
That's not infill.
That's loophole.
It's bypasses planning, fire
safety and infrastructure
standards.
These so-called affordable
units rent for 2600 to $3000 a
month and the developer avoids
around 5 million in fees.
Is this affordable housing?
No, it's developer windfall.
City Council must place a hold
on all current applications and
prevent these outlier abuses
from becoming a reality.
You've seen the devastating
effects of the outliers.
Don't let it keep happening.
And as you heard today you can
stop it.
Please represent us.
>> Thank you.
Evan Strawn.
>> Good afternoon.
Council PRESIDENT LaCava
Council members My name is Evan
Strawn speaking on behalf of
the San Diego Regional Chamber
of Commerce.
Our mission is to make the San
Diego region the best place to
live and work.
At the end of the day our
workforce needs housing.
This has been a program that's
been successful at creating
that housing.
We've had a lot of changes.
We've had a lot of hearings.
We're all tired but there's
still an opportunity today for
council to even after
the program eliminated certain
hours zones can be enhanced
with larger setbacks cul de sac
provision fire sprinkler
requirements, height limit unit
cap.
All of those things means less
homes.
That's the bottom line.
We all know that.
I think everyone in this room
today would not disagree with
that.
Regardless of what side of
the debate you're on at the end
of the day we need homes for
our workforce and there's still
an opportunity for council to
move forward to salvage parts
of the program.
And then let's move past this
Let's move on to how is this
going to continue to be a pro
housing council, a pro housing
city through other policies
other than this program that we
can hopefully agree on and
coalesce around?
>> So that's our ask today.
Thank you.
Thank you, Kate Kelly.
>> You have time to go to by
Karen Howard if you can please
raise your hand or cutting
Howard.
I'm sorry if I missed.
Thank you so much and vice
versa.
Gross.
Thank you so much.
You'll have three minutes
before you proceed.
If I can just ask Tamboli
Friedman Maya Vander Shultz,
Hap Manning, Adrian Luna now
with MS..
MR. Tobey and Daniel Scott.
Nick to please come up to
the Yellow Reserves seat at
the front.
Have three minutes please.
Please proceed.
Good afternoon.
As you know, community leaders
in every district are fighting
the city's efforts to cram more
and more housing into our
neighborhoods.
Housing that is excessive in
scale and expensive in price.
We have gotten to know one
another at meetings like this
and we've talked about joining
forces.
Massive public outrage over
monstrous bonus use has finally
united us as members of the new
San Diego community Coalition.
>> It is sad but true that
local politicians only seem to
care about three groups
the Chamber of Commerce,
the building industry and labor
unions.
Going forward the Community
Coalition will expect your
equal time and attention.
This citywide alliance is three
months old.
It includes 26 communities and
it is growing.
>> Neighbors for a better San
Diego helped launch us Save Our
Heritage organization has
joined us.
Our geographic reach extends
from Encanto in the South to
University City in the north
from El Sereno in the east to
Ocean Beach in the West.
Together we will be relentless
in fighting predatory
development wherever it occurs
.
Together we will demand that
elected officials give us
the respect you owe us.
Today we speak for tens of
thousands of San Diego and San
Diegans who believe four is
fair everywhere.
They know for a fact that bonus
ideas will not solve
the affordable housing crisis.
And they know bonus IOUs will
never solved the homelessness
crisis.
You insult your constituents
when you pretend otherwise.
It is even more offensive to
say that opposition to bonus
use is rooted in rich racial
prejudice and socioeconomic
bias.
And I'm sorry MR. Ello Rivera
isn't here.
He's been missing from this
meeting for quite some time.
If that's the story you're
pushing coalition members in
underserved communities like
Encanto and Hamsher and Choice
Valley would like a word with
you when you cast your vote
today.
Remember that our coalition
communities are fighting
predatory development together
and we will never stop fighting
it together.
Thank you.
Next is timbre Friedman.
>> You have time to two by
Mauricio Juarez Please raise
your hand.
>> Hi there.
I just have one favor to ask.
I'm sorry, ma'am.
I can't really tambourine.
Wait one second.
I'm just trying to get
the other people to raise their
hand.
Adam King.
Adam King for his daughter
outside.
>> And then Mauricio Juarez.
They do need to be present in
order to see time And I'm not
having any of these people
raise their hands right now.
So you'll have one minute.
He's coming.
Okay.
All right.
So you'll have two minutes.
>> Hi, my name is Campbell.
I would like to ask each one of
you to please look me in
the eye when I'm talking to you
and not look at your computers.
>> The edu complex that are
going up in our area we only
have one main road to evacuate
for a fire event.
We are surrounded by extreme
fire zone in the canyons.
>> I'm asking you to implement
policies that enable you to
look at.
Michelle, please look at me.
I'm asking you to implement
policies that enable you to
make decisions on individual
neighborhoods based on their
configuration and their
evacuation routes.
We have 500 homes which means a
thousand cars that only have
one way to get out of our
neighborhood in the event of a
fire.
So I'm asking you to implement
policies that will look at
these neighborhoods and base
solid decisions on making sure
you keep our safety and fire
prevention as a number one
priority so that everyone stays
safe.
Thank you, Mayor.
You have time to lead by rise
Marques rise If you can please
raise your hand.
>> He had to leave.
Okay.
And you'll have one minute.
Please proceed.
Right now?
Yeah.
Okay.
Hi everyone.
My name is Maya Vander Shute.
My partner and I moved to Pike
Place in FEBRUARY of this year.
Our neighborhood sits between
the tri canyons and urban
canyon system that Cal Fire has
assessed as high fire risk.
Under current policy the city
and state allow 80 use to be
approved Ministerial ignoring
secure protections meant to
reduce wildfire danger.
This puts our communities at
risk.
I believe in building more
affordable housing but let's be
honest about what affordable
means.
Right now it's based on a 110%
of the area median income
That's a six figure sag salary.
If you need to make over six
figures to qualify that's not
affordable to most San Diego's
.
I've worked multiple jobs
simultaneously and received fbt
benefits just as they housed in
San Diego.
ADAs have their place but
responsibly cramming
innumerable studio style 80
into backyards especially in
high fire risk areas isn't
the answer.
In North Claremont some of my
neighbors rent whole homes for
leisure time Half the clients a
single bedroom if you like to
email any of those comments we
can definitely distribute them
as well.
You think you have many You
have time seated by Cheyenne
Bullock over here.
Thank you so much.
>> You have two minutes.
Please proceed.
Thank you for the opportunity
to speak to you.
I'm Hap Manning.
I live on Pine Place.
It's a small quaint street in a
legacy neighborhood in North
Claremont.
Here it expresses my shock and
outrage for the predatory bills
that are being proposed and
will destroy the street I grew
up on.
Proposed bills that will
negatively alter my
neighborhood forever.
To me I see it as a rip off my
entire block.
I'm asking you to immediately
pause all bills that are being
considered.
I'm asking for an immediate
review The secret requirements
as they pertain to these vulgar
permits.
The state mandate is for
proposed predatory built for
4511 Paiute is 12 for 44 2010.
These bills are fire hazard.
We live in a canyon rim where
fire is always at risk.
Cars will fill up our street
making it very difficult for a
fire engine to negotiate
the squeeze.
Please stop telling us there's
nothing you can do.
Please help us stop this
madness And don't let the bonus
aid program be your legacy.
When your kids and grandkids
ask what you accomplished on
the San Diego City Council, you
need to tell them the truth and
say Well, I was complicit in
destroying the character of
some of San Diego's
neighborhoods hurting so many
San Diegans along the way.
>> I'm done.
Thank you, Adrian.
>> Adrian Luna after that is
now with most notably Daniel
Schleicher Schnucks Slotnick.
Slotnick Thank you Joy Sonata
and Dave Nicholai.
If you can start making your
way up.
>> Please proceed.
Good afternoon Council members.
My name is Adrian Luna.
I'm here today on behalf of
the Building Industry
Association of San Diego
County.
As homebuilders ranging from
large planned developments to
small infill or even a2 use we
know as do you that today's
housing crisis calls on a
diversity of housing and that
more homes is a good thing for
our city.
Like others who have experience
in this industry creating
housing for our workforce, we
ask that the city increase
the lot sizes and corresponding
unit caps to allow this program
to continue to provide
meaningful unit counts.
>> This Council has been strong
housing advocates and we are
grateful to you for that.
And for the pro housing
policies recently created.
Please allow this program to
continue to help develop
housing where it's most needed
near transit, near economic
opportunities and educational
institutions.
Thank you.
Maybe you have time ceded to
you by Christine Nelson.
Thank you.
Leah Taylor.
Adam.
Allan Navarro.
Kathy Hirsch Hirsch.
Thank you.
Randy lit up.
Thank you Patricia for having
or for me Patricia.
Thank you, Colleen.
Mike Don Mel and Lou Farrell.
Okay.
You will have 11 minutes.
>> Please proceed.
We have a slide.
Hold on one second.
We have an individual okay.
>> We'll send someone out to
talk to you If you can put up
the slide four and have it
please.
I think it's David or you, but
it's not me That's your name,
right?
Thank you for your patience.
>> Good afternoon, Council
PRESIDENT And council members.
And to my fellow angry
citizens.
My name is Naveed.
Most of Tavi and I'm speaking
on behalf of the residents of
Pike Place in North Claremont.
Such as Hap who just spoke who
has 12 units being proposed
right next door to him.
We're here because the San
Diego Bonus Adu program is
being abused and the result is
public safety risk,
environmental neglect and a
complete disregard for zoning
intent.
Next slide please.
I'm here to represent
the residents of Pike Place
first and foremost.
But it's not just about one
street.
I'm representing San Diego's
San Diegans living in zones
being overrun by speculative
development homeowners who fear
a 2 to 3 storey apartment
building being built next to
their single family home.
Young families who are being
priced out of single family
homes by investors and
the taxpayers who will foot
the bill for poor planning
decisions made by our elected
leaders.
>> Next slide please.
Today we have a highly placed
are asking for three immediate
specific actions a moratorium
on the bonus edu program for
projects exceeding four units
so we can return to be in
alignment with the state law to
a pause in progress reviews
until California Department of
Housing and Community
Development can clarify San
Diego's unlimited nature of
the program.
>> Legal under state law is
illegal under secure exemptions
.
Does it qualify for ministerial
reviews?
Four is different than
unlimited.
Three and a restoration of
secret reviews for the larger
projects that are currently
under review.
Next slide please.
>> The codes are clear and
definitions matter rc zones
must avoid adverse impacts to
adjacent properties.
A2 use must be subordinate not
dominant.
Fire roads need 20ft of
clearance for two lanes.
Secret exemption tions do not
apply when there's unusual
circumstances and cumulative
impacts.
San Diego's bypassing all of
this.
Next slide.
Rc Zoning is meant for single
family homes 5000 square foot
or larger allowing 22 units on
Piatt Place across two
different parcels is
incompatible with the scale,
character and livability that
our zoning was designed to
preserve.
Reasonable use of property
while minimizing adverse impact
impacts to adjacent properties
.
>> Next slide.
The word accessory matters It
means secondary incidental
supportive.
It does not mean 12 units.
It does not mean ten units.
>> It does not mean 100 units.
These bonus eight use fail even
the basic legal definition of
the word accessory.
Next slide please.
Let's talk safety.
State fire code requires 20ft
of clear access.
Piatt Place only has 15ft When
cars are parked on both sides
of the road.
>> There's no known evacuation
plan.
We don't know of what the fire
department review was.
We don't know if there's any
infrastructure improvements
that are going to happen.
This project and others put
lives at risk.
>> Next slide please.
Ceqa is not optional when
impacts are cumulative.
State law says air is required
when projects combine to
degrade the environment.
The city cannot claim exemption
under section 1533 if it fails
to evaluate the other nearby
adu developments and how they
have a compound effect on one
another.
That's what's happening in San
Diego right now.
Let me summarize Next slide
please.
Let me summarize specifically
what's wrong with Pai Place.
>> Next slide please.
We have two developments 12
proposed on one lot ten on
another lot.
We're located in a very high
fire severity zone.
Access is limited through a 30
foot street curb to curb which
allows 15 foot of passage.
We put this diagram to show
where if every single car is
parked on the street two cars
can't pass for long stretches
up to 250ft.
Our driveways are only one car
wide 13 foot aprons.
Most houses can only fit one
car So street parking is not an
option.
It's mandatory three for
the majority of the residents
as is.
And now we're talking about
adding most likely 30 plus cars
.
There's been no sequence
analysis.
There's been no notice of right
to appeal.
We had no public input.
All of this is ministerial
approved as if it's just a
backyard cottage and it's not.
>> Next slide please.
>> >> I started going around to
different neighborhoods after I
learned about this because I
was like this This has to be in
this has to be unique.
There's no way that this could
be happening in other
neighborhoods Like it's you
know, this is an issue.
>> This isn't Shoshoni That was
that was just like on a cul de
sac And this is an all male
that was on a cul de sac and
those were just one.
>> This is two.
And then I was fortunate to be
invited to Linda Vista by our
friends here now and I learned
what's going on.
So this is systemic and this is
not isolated.
So let me just take you on a
quick tour of what's going on
and show you how these
cumulative impacts are
compounding day by day As long
as this program stays active.
Next slide, please.
Firestone Street, which some
have touched on there's 11
units and I kept driving by
there just to check it out
because it's fully built out
And that's one of the few ones
that's actually been built And
you can go see what it looks
like.
I was curious what's the street
look like?
How is parking?
How are they dealing with
trash?
And then I go on the permit
finder website and I find out
next door 11 more units are are
going up.
>> And I had been watching this
other property on Rennick place
to the right there and seven
units were proposed and this
was a couple of months ago And
then I said let me check it
again.
Now there's eight next door
adjacent.
Next slide please.
And then I in North Claremont I
look at this one Appleton
Aberdeen Diane I call it
the doom triangle.
You you've got four, four and
three creating a triangle.
What's going to happen to those
people in the middle?
>> I don't know.
And then Linda Vista is the one
that really hit home for me.
18 units currently under
construction, seven currently
under construction.
And then our friend said well
there's another one.
It's nine units.
And then I went home and then I
looked at the map and I'm like
Hey, there's another 438 units
on a 30 foot wide street just
like Piute zero access on a
canyon.
>> This is systemic.
The outliers from a few months
ago have now become the new
norm and it's compounding day
by day.
Next slide, please.
>> This slide kind of shows
shows it all from our
perspective.
>> The state allowed up to four
units per lot under this four
unit umbrella.
The state said no parking
requirements areas are
categorically exempt from
secure ministerial reviews.
This is for four units.
I don't know if the state had
unlimited in mind when they
created this.
San Diego allows unlimited
units and they thought they
could piggyback on the state
say oh well unlimited parking,
no parking, no secure.
No ministerial reviews.
But I'm sorry the state did not
say unlimited unlimited equals
unusual circumstances and
cumulative impacts.
Next slide please.
To start to wrap it up for
the four the hdd letter that
was dated JUNE 13th the hdd is
already questioning
the legality of the bonus edu
program amendments while
the City of San Diego edu
program MAY have appeared alike
to be aligned with state law
and mandates upon its inception
.
It scale and all these
compounding impacts are
creating unusual circumstance
and cumulative impacts that
should disqualify it from
ministerial approvals and
secure exemptions.
Upon further review by the city
it's clear that putting forth
amendments that satisfy
the Council the public and
the hdd is going to be a very
long process.
So we're recommending in
the meantime our our message is
simple.
Place a moratorium on bonus edu
program for any project
submitted over four units.
>> Pause reviews on projects
that have already been
submitted until we get clarity
from the state for legal
compliance with ceqa and
ministerial reviews related to
unlimited.
>> Anything over four requires
secure review when harm is
compounded because four means
for not unlimited.
Next slide This.
We do not need to cancel to
use.
We need to build them
responsibility responsibly not
hide apartment buildings and
backyards.
We need to respect zoning
followed fire code, obey secure
and include the public.
And no more unlimited.
>> Thank you for your time and
please help us to pay you
serious?
>> Doris Doris Cintron if you
can please come up.
>> Doris.
Coming up from the back
committee room.
>> No, Doris.
Oh, hold me.
>> You know, just you can just
speak your comments into
the microphone.
Are you Doris Cintron?
Yes, I am.
Yes.
Proceed with your comments.
Thank you.
Um, I'm not related to any of
the issues concerning
the public here.
I would like to be able to
speak to someone about
the problems I am having on a 1
to 1 with someone if it's
possible If it's not related to
the aids.
If you can wait in the back
then I'll send somebody to
speak to you to try to provide
further guidance.
Thank you.
Thank you, Daniel.
Daniel, you'll have time ceded
to you by James Lawson.
Please raise your hand.
And Stephanie, thank you so
much.
You'll have three minutes.
Please proceed.
Good afternoon.
Council PRESIDENT LaCava, City
Attorney ipa and Council
members.
My name is Daniel Skolnik and
I'm ceo of Atlas Waste Group.
We are San Diego based
development company that has
successfully used the city's 82
density bonus program to bring
online hundreds of homes.
You are in receipt of our
letter submitted to your
offices this morning containing
our suggested amendments to
the staff recommendations.
My comments today though are
focused on a broader picture.
This program was put in place
during a time when the city was
focused what we all deemed as a
housing emergency.
It feels like we're now losing
that urgency.
Reforms to this program started
as a way to deal with outliers
who are proposing projects that
were significantly out of scale
with surrounding communities.
I agree with these goals but
now we're talking today about
the evisceration of an award
winning program.
To be to be clear.
My company has never built a
project larger than 12 units.
Our projects range in size from
6 to 12 units.
And that's because we found a
niche that serves a dire need
for workforce housing.
Your dealership a unit without
any public subsidy.
I've heard it several times in
other hearings and I'm sure
we'll hear it today that these
aren't homes.
I take issue with that
statement.
I think it's ridiculous and
demeaning.
This program has provided homes
for military families, for
teachers, for single parents
and homes for hundreds of other
San Diegans.
This is an amazing partnership
that we've had and I hope it
can continue.
Please make sure you focus on
creating homes for all of us
and so people can afford to
stay in San Diego.
>> Thank you.
Joy Sonata.
After that it will be Dave
Nicholai.
Dana Give it.
Colin Parent and Sean Duffy
Polanco If you can all please
make your way up to the yellow
reserved seats and you MAY
proceed.
City Clerk Fuentes before you
start my time this is very
important and it's a technical
protocol problem or question in
the late arrivals notebook
wouldn't I normally find
Heidi's memo from late last
Friday afternoon?
So I'm just I'm just putting
that out there for you If you
want to answer it, fine.
But I really wanted to find out
if it was legally appropriate
for it to be that Well make
sure to make an extra copy but
we do have it posted.
Please proceed.
Thank you.
City Clerk Fuentes Joyce
Initiative District three.
Hey everybody listen up.
I and I know you are but maybe
you know I mean I am between a
rock and a hard place.
I live downtown.
We accept housing density.
I want other neighborhoods to
accept more housing density.
Yet something seems very odd a
balance about the adu program.
Please listen to the voices
today Do city council They have
heartfelt things to say.
There is a balance.
There is an answer.
Let's find it together.
>> Thank you everybody for
listening up to All Thank you
Dave Nicola you have time
seated by Leslie Bruce please
raise your hand.
Leslie Thank you Clint.
>> Bruce Thank you.
Barbara Burdette Barbara
Burdette I do not see a Barbara
Burdette raising her hand.
Okay, Thank you Mel Meckler
Thank you.
That gives you four minutes
just making sure Barbara Ward
isn't one of the people walking
in.
No, Barbara, four minutes.
Please proceed.
Hello, council members.
Here we go again.
We have Oh, please put up
the slides.
>> Here we go again.
Another victim of the bonus You
program.
First they found out a
developer bought to the north
of them stuck three units
there.
>> Daniel Skolnick They get all
the construction noise and
disrespect and then two years
later guess what?
The same developer buys
the property to the south of
him.
Isn't that nice?
This one owner now does that
person who's on that house for
20 years deserve deserve it?
No.
He bought a house in a
residential neighborhood as in
are seven the bonus 80 you
projects are destroying this
neighborhood like an invasive
disease.
>> Next slide please.
Sorry.
I'm going to pause your time.
I don't have a PowerPoint from
you.
>> I'm not sure When you
submitted it I submitted it a
while ago and I sent it to Jen
Barry probably She just went
out to the back to assist
the customer.
What I can do is I'll save your
time and call you back as soon
as she's back in the building.
My apologies are back in from
the room because she had to go
assist.
It's okay.
I'll just I'll just I'll just
It was distributed to everybody
if it was submitted.
All right.
Meanwhile we have another
instance where a developer
bought two parcels right next
to each other in Redwood
Village on Bourn Street, a one
quarter acre and a one third
acre plot with a slight drop
of 6% a total of 28 units and a
approved by the dsd getting
plopped at the end of yet
another cul de sac in a very
high severity zone It's down to
6% empty yes to a bus stop.
You think people are going to
right transit?
Really through my experience in
dealing with such a project
directly behind my house and
affecting my neighborhood, I
have determined the following
My council rep in District nine
Seanie Lou Rivera does not have
my back.
Raul would you dsd protects
the developer by not allowing
us to take notes and pictures
of the plans that we directly
cannot safely mitigate privacy
issues that are going to come
up?
These projects are all
ministerial.
That means unless you have nosy
neighbors or renters getting
evicted you only find out
what's happening when
the property is surrounded by a
construction fence.
Lucky me I dug and I found out
early and told everybody to get
ready for disaster.
Daniel That's coming to our
quiet little neighborhood.
The developer?
Yeah, I did meet him once.
I asked him to please bring
the plants in share with me but
he didn't.
It was a waste of my time.
The construction company I'm
dealing with is a no name
building company who doesn't
display their contact
information at their job site.
The way I found out it was on
one of their shirts I googled
the rest.
>> Then the construction begins
Hammers, saws, loud music, loud
talking double parking, use a
forklift to move your materials
working on Sundays and outside
hours leaving the site a pigsty
creating hazards for our car
tires using our trash cans for
our garbage.
You think they were on a
commercial job site?
Since the city doesn't have my
back I end up talking to
the construction company owner
.
It helped nothing whatsoever.
I called.
I got an attitude like I was
dealing with a nine year old
child.
That's what everyone's going to
be dealing with if more these
projects go up these no name
companies I had talks with
the lead inspector, his
supervisor and Gary Geiger.
I was very clear on what to
report to them if there was an
issue And by golly if you're
going to add more density then
they're going to follow
the rules just like anyone
else.
That leaves the city's citizens
free to police the builders on
the job site.
It's really not our job
Reporting it to such employees
resulted in either little slow
or no enforcement nor is there
much they can do other than a
slap on the wrist.
After a while I got two
superiors to get a response for
them to do their job.
The city brought this extra
work on themselves by coming up
with this flawed bonus radio
program for is fair everywhere
These guardrails do not go far
enough to create the spacious
appetites of greedy developers
who want to densify bomb single
family neighborhoods over and
over and over and over again.
It needs to go to state
mandated levels protecting
the character of
the neighborhood as a mayor
says he wants to this would be
state high limit state high
limit setbacks limited to one
detached edu and one converted
from the existing space.
What's so hard about that?
Safe user frustrations don't
put anybody else to it And
the bonus 80 program Thank you
for that concluding comment
Dana Give it Dana you have
Rodrigo Gonzalez Thank you
Terrell and Tanya thank you.
Yvonne Jones Yvonne Jones if
you can please raise your hand
if you're here please come in.
Oh, there she is.
Okay.
Thank you, Claire Mount Thank
you.
Manuel Gonzalez.
Thank you, Alessio Hadad, Thank
you.
And Faith Fenton, you'll have
eight minutes.
Please proceed.
Thank you.
Could I have my slides, please
?
I haven't started your time.
Okay.
Thanks.
>> Please proceed already.
Thank you.
Next slide, please.
I'm Dana.
Give it a representing
neighbors for better San Diego.
Thank you to the Planning
Department for some code
improvements.
It remains obvious that public
workshops would have improved
this process and the product We
propose further amendments to
several items and changes to
language for clarity and
consistency with existing code.
As noted on the list there we
support remaining proposed
amendments without comment
except as Jeff Tudor will note
after after me when he gets his
opportunity.
We also disagree with allowing
short term rental of jd use
which the state is proposing to
eliminate with ab 1154 It's
under consideration now.
Next slide please.
>> We support four foot side
and rear yard setbacks for all
ag use regardless of height and
fire or fire hazard.
We recommend eliminating
the zero foot setbacks for one
story 80 use less than 16ft.
This would address the planning
Commission's concerns regarding
the zero foot setbacks that
were stated on MAY 1st.
It simplifies the code and
removes development uncertainty
and it creates a single set of
regulations as the state allows
property lines abutting non
residentially zoned parcels
would still be allowed the zero
foot setbacks.
>> Next slide please.
We recommend making parcels
ineligible for the bonus they
do you program if either they
are in a high or very high fire
hazard severity zone or they
are on a cul de sac or a single
ingress egress road.
The current proposed amendment
requires both conditions in
order for a project to be
ineligible for the bonus edu
program.
Earthquakes create fires
unrelated to fire zones Single
exit roads are always
evacuation choke necks.
Without the bonus radio program
and the current state codes
already allow for units which
would be an increase of 300%
and the existing density on
these roads fire safety and
evacuation routes We recommend
enforcing and clarifying
the fire lane requirements
which Naveed mentioned just a
few moments ago.
They prohibit new development
on streets that do not have at
least a 20 foot fire lane and a
50 foot turning radius as
required by the California Fire
Code Section five o 3.2 that
we've proposed some code
language below there and that
means fire officials would
actually have to look at and
review the projects.
Next slide please.
We support community
enhancement fees but we
recommend only waiving them for
the low and the very low.
Did restricted ada use in
the high and highest sea tax
zones not the moderate zones.
If you'll vote next slide
please.
Sorry my bad.
>> If you look at the chart
the moderate opportunity zones
are already absorbing 260% of
their fair share of bonus ideas
while higher opportunity zones
are only at 49%.
>> The moderate opportunity
zones don't need incentives for
adu development.
It is happening organically.
>> Next slide please.
We support the two story adu
height limit but code only
refers to detached studios and
it risks two storey adus being
built atop garage office or
beneath or atop guest houses
creating three storey buildings
which is already happening.
We recommend adding a height
limit of 25ft as the state
allows and we reiterate our
support for detached 80 use
following state code which
allows them to only be 16 to
18ft tall.
Next slide please.
We support parking for Adus but
the state doesn't use the tppa
in its adu code parking code.
We shouldn't be using it
either.
California adu code 66322 Uses
one half of one mile walking
distance from public transit.
We recommend replacing the tppa
with language used in
California 66322.
And the next slide will make it
perfectly clear why next.
Okay.
Thank you.
This example is in Del Sierra
on Linfield Avenue.
>> It is 816ft as the crow
flies but people cannot fly as
crows can And and the walk
which would be perfectly
acceptable under the tpa is a
two mile walk.
That is not acceptable for
parking.
So that is why the tpa does not
work for parking requirements.
Next slide please.
We recommend adding
the environmentally sensitive
land code reference to the adu
floor area ratio code.
There are 53 pages of esl code.
For a reason you reference it
for the adu tree requirements
but omit it for the very
important fa calculation code.
Please insert chapter 14
Article three Division one in
the adu fa code and don't leave
it to dsd to evaluate and
calculate environmentally
sensitive land subjectively.
Next slide please.
This one is a simple code
correction.
Remove rs.
1-1 from the code below because
it has a fixed fa and it is not
in table 131 04j.
And then reference table 131
04d for the other rs zones
please.
And the last recommendation.
Next slide please.
The edu Cap Table 141 03a lot
ranges don't align with the fa
table lot ranges in 131 over j.
And if you look at the table
the edu cap table ranges are on
the left and the fa table
ranges are on the right.
Those should line up.
And fortunately I have just
over a minute left I would like
to point out that for some
reason the Planning Department
continues in the in the report
and in the presentation today
to reference San Diego Edu
rents at 110% for 2024 but this
is 2025 so that the rent for a
studio is no longer $2,300
The rent for a studio at 110%
am I is now $2,519 a month.
A one bedroom is no longer
$2,629.
It is now $2,878 and for a two
bedroom the rent is no longer
$2,958.
The current rent is $3,238 a
month.
So those are the numbers you
should keep in your mind when
you're considering current
rents for the 110%.
Am I?
Adios.
Thank you very much for your
time and attention.
>> Colin Parent If you come
please come up to
the microphone Call in parent
after call calling parent We
have Sean Duffy Polanco and
Ballinger, Kenny Key, Rick Rush
,Mike Bertolli and Dennis
Lynch.
If you can all please come
forward to the yellow reserved
seats.
>> Colin Sean I don't think
Colin's here okay?
I don't see him either.
You'll have one minute.
Please proceed, Sean.
Cool.
Good afternoon, Council
members.
My name is Sean Duffy Polanco.
I live in Carlsbad.
I'm a legal intern at Circulate
San Diego.
I'm going into my second year
of law school at Cal Western's
School of Law to which I
commute to for over an hour on
the coaster every weekday.
I'm here to ask the City
Council specifically to please
continue to consider allowing
it used to be available for
sale.
There's a stark lack of starter
level housing for younger
couples like myself and my wife
here in San Diego where we both
want to work and live.
Increased access to the option
to own live in and invest in a
much more local property that
fits our needs Now would be a
game changer for more than just
ourselves.
>> Thank you.
Thank you, Hannah.
Hi, my name is Hannah Bolinger
and I am a student intern at
Circulate San Diego.
In my neighborhood the median
home price is over $1 million.
I love living in San Diego and
I would love to live here but I
worry whether rising home
prices will prevent me from
becoming a first time homebuyer
and the same for many of my
classmates.
This is why I would support a
separate sale of Adus to help
lower income and first time
homebuyers in San Diego so we
can all enjoy this great place
.
Thank you.
Thank you, Kenny.
Kenny, you have people sitting
in your time If they can please
raise their hand.
Um.
Newland Thank you.
Uh, Sachi Ingleton.
Thank you.
Preston Smith and Anthony
Butkus.
You'll have five minutes.
Please proceed.
>> Hello.
Thank you for your time.
i guess my name is Kenny here
and I'm here representing a lot
of people in southeastern Kanto
that can't make it here today.
Basically all the people who
are outside of you guys bubble
because you go around town in
your bubble with people in
constituencies that are like
groupies.
Okay.
We represent new people like
the ones that you want to give
$2 grants to.
You know and happy about it.
Now we now represent them.
I'm here representing
the people the people I'm
representing is the ones you
guys refuse to listen to.
The ones that put you in
office.
Okay.
Each one of you guys represent
a collective body of
incompetence and the policies
coming out of this office.
You guys got to remember y'all
got a black flag right now.
You got a $250 million deficit
probably more than that.
Okay?
Because the goalposts keep
moving for the developers not
collecting fees from them.
It's ridiculous.
Okay.
There's a large body of people
in this city.
They feel like we need to gut
the council and start from
scratch because you refuse to
listen to us.
>> What kind of leaders are you
guys that refuse to listen to
your constituents?
How can you go?
Y'all need to go home and look
in the mirror and decide who
you want to represent these
developers and come up here in
line.
Because they they invested They
got this money on the line.
Yeah.
They want Jared to go in their
favor.
But you guys seem to cool with
having constituents sue y'all.
That's ridiculous.
Okay, We deserve better.
Okay.
And in these areas that are
overly condensed, we need you
to listen to us if you can.
>> Why you ain't hold no town
halls.
>> Really Don't, MR. Foster.
Why you won't come talk to
the people that are against
your policies.
Why you won't come talk to you
represent all of us in District
four And right now we can't
even talk to you.
That's just unacceptable.
You should not be walking
around town acting like you
represent in a community man
because you not And we here
telling you that all this push
back represent us Speak on
footnote seven debacles
the Clay Clybourne the Emerald
Hills Tower speak on that MR.
Foster we are here talking
about 80 use but y'all got
policies coming out of here.
It ain't just the 80 use.
It's just coming at us like
bombshells.
Yeah, like they said.
>> And it's like you guys are
responsible for what you gonna
do about it?
>> Nothing.
Just eat chips and watch me.
MR. Kapilow.
>> And we need a good this
council if you're not going to
represent us get out the way
and stop representing
the developers.
How many times we got to come
down here say this?
>> Put on yellow shirts and
stuff.
Y'all representing us What you
to do today What you what you
vote on today is just a start
because there's a lot of
projects coming down the pipe
which are how do y'all sleep at
night and just look down at
your papers and stuff?
Well look at you know know
little I pad I'm MR. Foster I
want representation That's why
I'm passionate and we're not
getting I I conclude next is
Rick fresh Rick you have time
ceded to you by Barbara Shrek
Thank you.
>> You have two minutes.
Please proceed.
And the main problem with
the proposal that is currently
advocated allowing a maximum of
seven days to use plus an
existing dwelling for eight
units on a single family lot
zone.
I've done a detailed analysis
of the lot sizes in
the University City Claremont
Linda Vista areas west of 163
and 805I identified 684 lots
greater than 5000ft in just
the Claremont and Linda Vista
rc 1-7 zones almost all of
these are in canyons and would
have at least 8000 foot even
after the adjustment for
environmental environmentally
sensitive lands.
Therefore most of these lots
would have eight units on them
.
This is simply too many.
Most of the slots have a front
footage of less than 70ft a
driveway usually takes up at
least 12 of those feet and this
will result in cars parked on
both sides not just in the cul
de sacs but also in the narrow
two way streets which will
severely limit the access to
emergency vehicles by emergency
vehicles.
I wonder why the city council
is not listening to
the recommendation of
the Community Planning
Commission and the neighborhood
for a better San Diego.
These organizations have spent
hundreds of volunteer hours
doing research and many of them
are actually hooked up to speed
on all the codes and
regulations.
So to ignore their
recommendations, you know it's
just not right.
It's very discouraging to these
organizations to be part of
your community planning and not
get listened to.
>> I support their basis.
They will report for unit for
that concluding remark.
>> Mike Good evening Mike for
Italian City Thanks very much
for taking time to hear a sell
out.
I'd like to start by focusing
on public safety.
It is are being built in high
risk fire zones in cul de sacs.
This flies in the face of
the San Diego Fire Department
and Cal fire schools protecting
evacuation quarters and they
violate fire fire codes you do
really great job and we very
much appreciate you restoring
funding for brush management
and the and the fire
department's budget just just a
week ago.
Please follow this up by making
fire safety the top priority in
this discussion.
In addition to posing a fire
risk, it isn't going to help
flooding because are going to
be paving over a whole lot of
permeable land.
So let's you know, let's kind
of told two birds with one
stone and make this a safer
city.
With that in mind, please
mandate a four foot fire safety
setbacks to neighboring
properties and prohibit bonus
areas from being built in very
high fire safety hazard zones
or in cul de sacs or streets
with limited access.
Thank you very much.
Please have a good day And
again I do appreciate your time
and your efforts.
>> Thank you.
Dennis Lynch.
You have time to buy Steve
Henson.
Yes.
Thank you.
He needs to raise his hand.
Thank you.
Now that's Steve Henson.
Thank you very much, sir.
Just give me one second.
I just need these people to
raise their hands so that they
can seed their time to you.
Steve Henson, are you here?
How about Gloria Henson?
Are you here Gloria or Steve
Henson?
They're not here to see your
time So then you will get one
minute.
Thank you very much.
Everybody can hear me.
I would like to talk about
the dimensions of Mission Beach
.
We are two miles long.
We are 700ft wide.
We are surrounded by water
ocean on one side of course and
mission bay on the other.
And if we have a coastal tidal
event we won't get out.
There's no sir.
I'm sorry I have to pause your
time.
You did already speak.
I did.
You did.
You can only speak once on a
night.
I thought somebody might have
showed up and give me extra
time.
No, sorry.
And they're not here yet.
Thank you.
Do Iris do you Good to be true
.
I have the good man.
Thank you, counsel.
Thank you, Susan Give you a
bonus points for time It was
just to do it takes it takes
everyone to get this Susan
Susan Ruby and then Karen
Cordeiro Kaplan Karen Avner
Alva Rapp Angela Goosey Charles
Tester Joycelyn and lovelies
Jeff Huber If you can all
please come up to the front row
I'll say the names one more
time Susan Dart Derby.
Karen Kadir Joe Kaplan Karen
Abner Alva Rapp.
Angela Gazi Joycelyn Now Susan
I thought you had ceded your
time to somebody No.
Yeah, I'll look for your
client.
Well, let's start with Karen,
dear Kaplan Good afternoon.
Karen Good or Kaplan.
I just wanted to come up to
everyone has said a lot and I
think it's important that you
know, for this many community
members to show up is pretty
impressive over and over again.
And I really think that you've
had members of the public as
well as organizations present
some critical data critical
code that you really should
look at because what's
happening is affecting everyone
from all these communities.
So I just really want to just
support or encourage you to
look out Neighbors for a Barry
San Diego recommendations and
recommendations that have been
presented by community members
who have done more research
than I have at this point.
But you know basically you know
for for ada use I'm a property
owner.
I as a single family I don't
think I could afford more than
that.
>> Right.
So who's affording to be able
to put six, eight, ten So I
just want to put that out there
and thank you for your Thank
you, Karen Abner Okay.
Karen Abner, are you here in my
time?
You're Karen Abner Yes.
Okay.
And then Roger Kaplan had
seated his time to you Roger
are you sitting your time?
Yes.
Okay.
To Paul Krueger.
Yes, I'm seeing my time to
Paul.
Okay, Paul, you reach your max
of 15 minutes with those two
sitting time.
>> I'm not.
But you're not up yet.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Just when it is your turn,
those two will go to you.
So next is Alva wrap.
>> Alva, you have several
people that have ceded time to
you.
If they can raise their hand.
Gerald Rapp, Theresa Beatty.
Thank you sir.
Each year category Thank you
Mary Jean Del Campo.
Betsy Smith, Christy Christa
Fischman.
>> Thank you Michelle Schroeder
and Jacqueline Harris.
Thank you so much.
You'll have nine minutes.
Please proceed.
I thank you for listening to my
small speech that has gotten
very much smaller because of
all the great points that have
been brought up today.
I did find it a little
confusing though You ask us not
to cheer and not to clap but I
counted over half of you Have
your eyes down so if you could
please pay attention to
the crowd when they do their
their their nonverbal cheering
and all that So I'd like to
also start off with a quote
from the Bible It's from Luke
1428 Which of you wishing to
build a tower does not first
sit down and count the cost to
see if he has the resources to
complete it?
That's the end of the verse.
The cost of this bonus edu
program is too high and we do
not have the resources to
complete it.
There is no limit on
the growth.
You are not following the city
recommendations.
There's a very clear chart.
It's not hard to read.
I did it in just probably about
20 minutes.
I would like to take you back
in time to the 1900s as our
grandkids call them.
That time wasn't so long ago.
This is my husband Jerry.
We live on Shoshone Avenue in a
cul de sac in Claremont.
Ours was one of the first
places that got hit hard with
the unexpected growth and
development without any of us
knowing anything And as many of
the other people have said it
was a secretive thing which
secrets are usually done in
secret because they are wrong.
I've been asked by people my
friends why try to change this
bonus to you?
It's the law.
Well guess what You guys are
the lawmakers change the bonus
to you so it's not unreasonable
and so we can accept it.
Most of the people in this room
are not against 80 use.
I am not I don't know of
anybody who would be If you
want to earn extra money you
want your grandma to live
there.
>> You want your children to
live there, fine.
That's not my business.
But if you bring in these
bonuses to use is going to
cause nothing but calamity to
our little quiet neighborhoods
.
We are single family homeowners
who have worked hard to earn
and achieve our American dream.
We are the endangered species
If we have an endangered plant
or animal on a property say a
bird or lizard they would stop
cramming these bonus ideas on
that site and protect that
fragile life on and around that
property As endangered single
home owner neighbors we think
that we also should receive
the same awareness of damage
and the protection of our
existence as we are just asking
to follow the state regulations
.
>> Are these numbers that you
and the Planning committee are
coming up with Are colliding
with the state regulations?
I don't even think they're
legal.
The state regulations were not
made on a whim.
They had research.
They did an environmental
impacts.
They realized the plight of
having more to use on a
property than it can tolerate
in a single family resident
home area or a little
neighborhoods are zoned to as
such to give neighborhood
function and balance.
We have other zoned areas for
the same reason commercial
multifamily to name a couple
and we cannot build our new
family home in an area that is
not zoned for my adorable 4000
square foot home right in
the smack of downtown La Hoya
because it's not zoned for
that.
>> It's zoned for business and
it's not zoned for residential
at all.
>> All of the all of you that
think this bonus to you program
has merit and we're addressing
the need for the affordable
housing that you're that you're
drinking the Kool-Aid on that
let me just tell you that
the ones that lived here for
decades don't agree.
Why not?
All of you take matters into
your own hands.
Why don't you put your money
where your mouth is?
Pam has some great numbers for
you of the developers and since
you're so strongly intent on
building these granny towers
why don't we just go ahead and
arrange them to build not just
in your neighbor's backyards
but yes your backyard to that
three year old playing in
the backyard, that three year
old playing in the backyard?
Well that's a thing of
the past.
So if it's okay to build Bonnie
say to use to use it the cost
of decreased value of our homes
that we've worked hard for
years to establish and keep and
hold on to working multiple
jobs if necessary for
sabotaging our way of life then
you should be good enough for
you.
>> And it turns out it's really
easy to play with another man's
deck until you have skin in
the game.
I don't think you can really
have empathy for these
neighborhoods and the new
mistakes that you're making and
you don't have the power to
rectify the problems when they
do come there are many lots all
over the city.
They're not in single family
home areas Use These abandoned
stores also can be used as
building sites.
Please call them what they are
These bonuses to use our
apartment buildings calling
them to use is like
the Emperor's New Clothes a
children's story that is well
known.
Everyone can see the problem
but no one has the guts to
speak the truth.
Well, these people behind me
myself and my husband we do
have the guts and we will go
down on the carpet on the mat
and fight against these bonuses
to use.
Where are the studies to prove
that these bonuses to use would
work in residential areas?
What There weren't any done.
>> What happened?
The city is just going off on a
lark and going rogue to quote
my husband This is an
experiment gone wrong.
Insanity is doing the same
thing over and over and
expecting different results.
Bonuses to use will cause only
one result calamities to once
quiet San Diego neighborhoods.
This is persecution of single
family home owners at its
finest.
It is discriminatory and if we
were a minority group
the outcry would be so loud and
the injustice would be so great
that the program would be
halted and completely
annihilated As far as getting
homeless people off
the streets, most of them don't
even live in shelters because
of the rules.
>> There will be rules for
these units, right?
I mean they're not just going
to be able to have anybody in
there be able to do anything
that they want any time day or
night, trash day If there's an
ambulance coming down the road,
they don't have to pay any
attention to them.
Also there's something else
that I don't think it's been
really brought up and that is
that once you allow these 80
used to be bought and to be
family owned as forever homes
at 450ft these these 450ft
family homes as you're calling
them will be under
the jurisdiction of that
homeowner and they will have
the right and privilege to be
able to rent out their 82 new
home as an Airbnb.
And we all know what calamities
are brings on to
the neighborhood.
It's impossible to manage these
people.
They're here for vacation.
They're not here to clean up
our city.
Take care of the neighborhood's
reputation.
>> None of that.
>> I just want to remind you
all that this is not Monopoly.
The board cannot handle any
more houses and none should be
given out As far as rights I
would plead with you Please
stop immediately.
Any building that's going on
right now stop immediately any
permits these are all
unreasonable and they should
have never gotten approved
before.
A quick question to everybody
that's been arguing this If
it's too expensive to live here
and we have plenty of
resources, why do we have water
restriction and why do we have
emergency shutdown of the power
grid and gridlock on our
freeways and side streets from
two a 2 P.M. To 7 P.M. Every
single workday?
Also a question for
the Planning board How do these
bonus to use serve neighborhood
compatibility not sure on that
one what that even means and
anyway why is our neighborhood
which is rs 1.7 why are we not
being considered as exempt from
that bonus?
Do you program what happened?
How do we get off the list?
Do we make somebody mad?
>> What happened In conclusion
I just like to say that from
the bottom of my heart as a
professional friend of over 30
years the most important things
that I can give my patients are
hope and control.
>> These are your patients.
Thank you.
Thank you for your concluding
remarks Susan Jury d you are
what Susan No.
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your time.
I just saw a Tribeca Batiste.
This is why we put our lips
together.
Next I'll find her and reunite
you with her.
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seeding time with Sorry People
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So hey that Jackie Hernandez
Sharon Kramer Jennifer Gold
Kyle Can Lee and that seven
minutes Please proceed Now you
have a PowerPoint presentation
We'll be putting that up.
I won't start your time until
the PowerPoint is up
.
>> Good afternoon everyone.
Please proceed.
My name is Angela Goosey.
I'm here representing Linda
Vista.
It's a place where I grew up,
where I was born and raised and
I live next door to my mom who
owns the same house that I was
born and raised in.
Thank you for your time today
And we really ask that you
listen and understand where all
of us who are taking time out
of our lives today and the last
few months have come from.
Thank you to Miles Noel Overall
Campos office for joining us
last week and visiting a few of
these egregious properties in
Linda Vista flight.
>> >> It's not new news that
San Diego is one of the most
expensive cities to live in.
Whether it is renting or
ownership, we know that many
residents are paycheck to
paycheck.
In fact I've been there in
the past and maybe you have
been as well.
We have a large homeless
population.
Some have jobs, maybe multiple
jobs but they fell behind on
their rent or mortgage and are
now living out of their cars
trying to save up enough money
for a first class and current
month's rent.
Next slide.
For a $2,500 apartment that's
$7,500 that they have to come
up with.
It's a lot of money especially
if you're making less than
the average medium income
currently in Linda Vista.
There are five homes for sale
and the last one two years 93
have sold.
Do you want to take on guess
how many were sold to
developers?
Here are just a handful.
Next slide.
Can you go one more?
>> Sorry.
Flip through.
Next go back to the last slide
please.
>> Next one.
Back to my other apartments
Once.
Go back One more.
One more.
>> Sorry.
So I did a Google search 142
apartments for rent in the 9211
zip code.
That was out of yesterday.
Apartment.Com listed sites
showing that these various unit
options of a one bedroom a
studio or two bedroom there are
230 in Linda Vista right now.
So don't tell me there's a
housing shortage.
There's an affordable housing
shortage.
Yes, but not a housing shortage
.
>> Out of those there's 18
studios 200 and 12 one bedrooms
and 148 to 2 bedrooms.
34 of those rent for 15 to
$2500.
50 for rent for 25 to 30,000.
Again, these are numbers right
off of Google.
We don't have a housing
shortage.
And Linda, MR..
We have too many.
If you can fast forward to a
couple of slides we've that's
where all they're listed right
now.
>> So it's not like they're all
in one spot.
They're all throughout Linda
Vista.
Next slide.
>> Developers are seeking out
by soliciting our vulnerable
elderly population by offering
them over market value for
their property.
By doing this it removes an
opportunity for a family to
purchase even if it would need
repairs.
>> An entry level home at a
lower price point for our
younger families.
>> They can put in some sweat
equity and still have a great
starter home.
However, the developers are not
only removing a single family
home that is a desirable for a
family by adding backyard
apartments but they're also
making the surrounding single
family homes less desirable
with fair property values.
The developer can continue to
purchase.
This is happening here in Linda
Vista up on Albion Burrows
where there are two single
homes that were purchased by
folks who have spent their hard
earned money and have
the American dream of being a
homeowner.
The developers purchased three
adjacent properties and you
along with the mayor and
the decisions you've all made
will cause these families and
others around the city where
the same thing is happening
Heartache, anguish disappoint
and frustration.
And I could go on and on.
Think about the lack of
privacy.
Think about trash day.
Everyone's got three bins,
right?
You guys just all voted on
this.
>> Three bins.
>> So you're going to put out
three bins for oh say 1618
units Right.
That's 34 bins on a street.
That is ridiculous.
Think about the parking.
Do you honestly think that
Mayor Gloria does that like
Mayor Gloria does that
the residents of these ads are
honestly working at home and
taking Ubers or bike everywhere
they go to the store out of
friends school work to
the laundromat.
How are you going to carry
laundry on a bicycle?
Come on.
Next slide.
>> So these are slides of where
all the 80 have been going in.
And these are the proposed log
just for Linda Vista.
That's a lot.
Next slide.
So this is Abby and Burrows.
The ones in the boxes are
the ones that were purchased by
the developers.
And the ones in the middle are
the two outstanding single
family homes that are going to
be sandwiched by 3680s.
Okay.
Next slide.
This is what it looks like up
top and down below.
There was no retaining wall put
in to hold these houses up.
You're going to put all these
houses people their belongings
possibly cars that are fall
down.
Then you're going to have a
lawsuit.
>> Next slide.
>> These are just a couple of
streets here in Linda Vista,
Westinghouse, Abby and Burrows.
There are six proposed the 18
under construction, 12 more
that are under construction on
Westinghouse.
Six more on Westinghouse down
the street and in our cul de
sac 16.
Now I get that the cul de sacs
are kind of off limits now
right?
But can you think about what
that's going to do if it were
on a regular street?
So now we're talking 58 on two
streets alone.
Next slide because I'm out of
time.
Fire, water, Sewer.
Multiply all of those units by
tubs, toilets, all of that and
including comment Charles.
Thank you, Joycelyn.
I'm sorry if you can come for
your side.
>> Thank you so much, Jeff.
Please proceed.
Hi guys.
So everybody seems to
acknowledge that this whole edu
is bad and it needs to be
fixed.
>> So why are the projects keep
continue to go up?
>> So you know it's all
the same parking problems far
away busses for the elderly and
people with disability get to
and all these things are.
You guys can fix it.
So put a pass on the new
applications and then fix
the problem.
I'm sure there's like laws in
there that you guys can use
just like PRESIDENT Trump.
He looks for laws at existing
and indeed he does fix things.
So let's just get it done, put
a pass on it and then do it
right.
Make San Diego great to live
again.
Thank you.
>> And good afternoon.
San Diego is not a transit rich
city.
Most people still need a car to
get to work to drop off kids or
to buy their groceries.
But the bonus edu program wipes
out parking regulations or
requirements even in
neighborhoods with little or no
transit access.
That's not progressive.
It's just irresponsible.
If you want to keep
neighborhoods livable and safe
especially outside transit
transit priority areas require
a one off street parking space
per edu.
Common sense shouldn't be
controversial.
Thank you.
Thank you Jeff Tutor.
Jeff you have several people
sitting in your time If they
can please raise their hand.
Maria Bird It.
Maria Bird it.
I don't see a hand raised.
Maria Michael Kuzma Thank you.
Maria Hendrix Ken Hendrix.
Laura Ribot David Mary Jane
Manders.
>> Thank you Michel Salinas.
John Alexander Eddy Meyer Halls
Betty Schumacher and Michele
Aguirre.
>> They'll be 12 minutes.
>> Please proceed.
We're ready.
Great.
Thank you, Council members.
And I also want to take five of
the officers who were able to
meet with us before today's
meeting.
We always appreciate that if
you go to the first slide.
And first of all, I think one
of the things to recognize
what's coming out of this
package is we focused on
the bonus edu part of it But
there's actually things in here
that even when there are non
bonus projects that are in very
definite benefits to developers
and the first is that prior to
today you only were allowed to
house an area and a j you
according to San Diego's code
we've added the allowance to
add a second 80 to you.
And as it turns out this was an
administrative decision by hpd
Housing and Community
Development and we're now sort
of memorializing that into law.
I think just to put that in
perspective.
So we talk about single family
zoning but single family zoning
is for units on any single
family parcel.
If you look at what the actual
property sizes are, you know
that's equivalent to our m to
six on smaller lots.
That's our m37.
So this idea that we're just
talking about single families
owns down you know, forbid
housing or something like that
just obviously is contradicted
by the circumstances.
The other way to look at this
is three units on every single
family parcel without
the bonus.
This is anywhere in San Diego.
We have over 200,000 single
family homes at 600,000 units
that are basically being
allowed in zone four through
our regulations And that's even
with our recent community plan
updates that twice as many
units as we have on our
adequate sites inventory and
that's three time in our
adequate sites in average out
on the 100,000 units.
So we're we're we're worrying
about creating the program that
already without the bonus
program is going creating
thousands of units per year.
And we can we can curtail this
program and put it in a place
where it makes more sense.
The only other thing I'll point
out is four units is also
the cutoff from the Federal
Housing and Urban Development
as a definition of single
family zoning as well.
Once you get above four units
you're really talking about
multifamily regulations that
kick in and that was something
that wasn't considered when
the Bonus to you program was
put in place and still hasn't
been fully absorbed in
the regulations today.
The other thing I'll just point
out is you know we've even
added this benefit to have for
sale to use and we'll see how
that works.
It's basically a new
complexity.
It's five pages in the code
update.
It's outside of my skill set
but I know this is something
that people will probably take
advantage of and it addresses
some concerns in a completely
different way as I'll note
later.
So next slide.
So what we're recommending is
staying within that concept of
four units on any parcel that
instead of having this
distinction based on
the sustainable development
area if you look at our
regulations today outside this
this animal development area
you're allowed four units And
basically what we're saying is
make those regulations
consistent across the city
where this would be different
is in addition to if you go to
the next slide in addition to
the constraints that the state
would put on it, we're saying
you're allowed a more flexible
combination of those three
additional accessory units
including having one bonus adu
which could either be deeded
restricted at 110% moderate as
it is today and or it could be
an ada compliant adu and
accessible to you.
One of the things that needs
letter pointed out is that
the accessibility requirement
for ada use doesn't kick in
until you get to the third pair
of ada Use under our current
law and this would be a way to
bring that allowance forward in
that would address a key
concern that was in the ac
letter that was sent to you on
the weekend.
If you go to the next slide.
>> So one of the things that we
look for in code is how can we
make development simpler?
Right?
And as we've added in fire
requirements excluding certain
zones you know, California tax
credit allocation Committee
sustainable development areas
and environmentally sensitive
lands we've ended up with and
this is taking the current
regulation proposal that's in
front of you today.
We translated that into a
flowchart that frankly dsd will
probably end up using to try
and figure out what to do with
these regulations.
And we just look at this and we
say this is way too complicated
If you take what we're talking
about, what we're saying is for
units under more flexible
conditions, apply it everywhere
and you get a much simpler
allowance for us to use in San
Diego just to go to the next
slide to emphasize this here's
all these decision points now
that have been put into
the code and each one of these
decision points is actually a
point of uncertainty not just
for the homeowner who lives
next to a project per se for a
developer.
And one of the things that's
happened is because our
regulations are so ephemeral
because a lot of these things
change every day
the opportunities zones change
on a yearly basis.
The usda changes every time San
Diego updated transit plan
because of all these
complexities.
If I want to buy land today and
develop two years from now, I
don't know whether I'm going to
be in the usda or meet these
other requirements We should
just get rid of that complexity
and go to a much simpler
standard.
Next slide.
And the other thing is it's
been pointed out in the staff
report that going down to four
units total is already
consistent with 98% of 82
projects in San Diego.
So this isn't going to deter
San Diego from continuing on
the path to create more to use
.
If you go to the next slide,
we'll go to the next slide
first and I'm going to come
back.
So the other part of it is
we're only talking today about
restrictions on single family
zones.
Over half of all the bonus 80
years have been built in
multifamily housing which will
continue under the regulations
if not expand because one of
the things that was added as a
matter of state law is an
increase in the number of ada
use that can be added to
multifamily zones.
So we're already in a good
place with multifamily
production and we're only going
to go up from there going back.
>> The other thing about
reducing the number of areas
that can be built on a property
means that the incentive now
will be to make bigger units so
what happens today is
the average ada use size is
somewhere in the range of 450
to 500ft and that's optimized
for rent return.
You can build a one bedroom or
a studio for that but you're
not going to get family housing
out of it If we reduce
the number of to use But you
still have that floor area
ratio to work with then it's
more likely a developer is
going to build a family sized
home a 2 or 3 bedroom.
Adu We heard earlier about
the idea of providing a ranch
and houses in.
You're not going to get that
comparable to living in a house
in a single family neighborhood
if you don't make, you know, at
least 1000 or so square foot
unit And this will also come
into play if we are starting to
condo wise to use you need to
have some parity between
the primary unit and these
accessory units.
So and then finally I just like
to emphasize this comes from
London Matter who the city
hires to do studies for our
community plan updates by no
means an anti housing outfit
but they really have emphasized
is that the thing we're missing
in our planning is the creation
of family size and use.
I mean not just here to use but
housing and that's what's
driving families out of San
Diego When it comes time to
move out of that studio
apartment and now there's no
place to move to.
Next slide.
I cover that Next slide.
No, no, no.
Go back.
So the last thing I would like
to talk about is this threat of
decertification.
One of and there was a memo
that came out, you know, at
the last minute on Friday, of
course being neighbors for a
better San Diego.
We spent all weekend analyzing
that letter, comparing it with
the code.
And one of the things that I
think is important to look at
is what were the conditions of
that letter and what were
the concerns that they had and
were they addressed Right.
And so the primary concern that
I had was that the exclusion of
the zones are greater than
10,000ft.
You know, I think in a short
amount of time development
service I mean sorry
the planning department was
able to look at that and they
have proposed an amendment to
that to allow those zones or
previously excluded in high and
highest opportunity zones that
actually provides a certain
benefit that wasn't there
before And it addresses
the primary concern that we had
in this letter and and I think
sort of set that aside
completely.
But more importantly
the commitment that San Diego
made And it's housing element
certification was to build 40
deed restricted areas per year.
Okay.
We in the four years we've had
this program in has risen year
by year So the average is below
what we're currently doing.
We've built up 364 affordable
to use with this program this
92 a year that's over twice
what our commitment to exceed
was.
Furthermore we're meeting that
commitment just with
multifamily affordable 80 years
We could have no single family
affordable way to use and we
would still be meeting
the commitment we made to hpd
under our housing element.
So this threat of
decertification is not
credible.
Of course when we send you a
letter and says if it was found
we would, you know, go through
all this.
But that's that's
the boilerplate statement of
consequence, not a real
assertion and that the law has
been violated or that
the housing element is not
being applied to Furthermore
larger units is a particular
concern about overcrowding
The building accessible to use
is also a thing that was
addressed in our proposal I
think makes us better not worse
than where we were before.
>> Thank you John Moll If I can
have the following individuals
please come up to the yellow
reserved seats and John you can
come up to the microphone.
John Bonnie Kutch, Paul Kruger.
Merv Thompson.
Maria Conrad Charlie Our
Christopher Public and Gail
Vermont.
If you can all please come
forward to the yellow reserved
seats And John, you MAY come
forward Ali excuse me on
the last muesli is that Yeah
that's what it is really?
>> Oh, Mulet My apologies.
Good afternoon everyone.
My name is John.
You and I 20 years ago moved
into a unique pocket in Linda
Vista because of the diversity
and the sense of community as a
single family dwelling
neighborhood.
I was looking for all of
the unique things that that
would offer it.
Well, I'm the byproduct of
Pamela who did a really great
job presenting her story of
6821 new ball court which is
going to have 1082 units which
my backyard will be adjacent to
it and I'll have three tower
three two stories looking back
into my backyard eliminating
all the privacy I've had.
>> Everybody's talked about
the key points on the cul de
sac, the egress, the garbage
collection and then also
the parking which is going to
be just so much more complex
especially they're not thinking
about we have a lot of delivery
drivers Amazon DoorDash coming
in with lots of kids playing.
They speed through our
neighborhood.
It's creating another dynamic
that people aren't thinking
about.
I ask you all please, we're not
against the development but
let's please take the closet
with Christian Spicer out of
Linda MR. Neighborhood by
relaxing his comment giving him
a money grab.
>> Next is Bonnie.
>> Bonnie you have people
setting your time if they can
please raise their hand.
Lisa Clark, Kevin Gibson, Karen
Sellers.
And then you have one more
person that seated you time but
did not put a name.
Do you know who that is?
No, there's no name on this.
That's why I can't guess so no.
Okay then it's four minutes.
Please proceed.
Okay.
Good afternoon.
Council members.
I'm Bonnie Koch.
I am the founding member of
U.S. Peeps and a member of
the Coordinating committee for
the new San Diego community
Coalition.
>> My background includes 40
years in the building industry
working with Party Corbridge,
Sudbury Properties and many
reputable developers.
>> As you MAY know, the San
Diego Community Coalition now
includes 26 communities across
San Diego that have come
together mostly because of
the devastating bonus edu
program which has allowed
unrestricted apartments
buildings to be built in
backyards everywhere.
It is the most out of control
asinine housing program a city
could possibly devise.
>> This being a hearing I am
asking that you listen and hear
us Council members can appeal
Foster Campbell and often
Wilbert do and I thank you for
that.
So please listen to the advice
of experts like Neighbors for a
Better San Diego and the cpc
whose members have spent years
analyzing the adu bonus
program.
The Planning department has a
lot to learn from them.
You already know they are
providing affordable homes.
>> Average rents are about 700
above market rate apartments.
They are too small for two
house families.
Building more isn't bringing
rents down.
They're violating Santiago's
fire codes and the need to
protect evacuation corridors.
And they're not paying for
the infrastructure needed to
support them.
I should probably add most of
them are guilty And because
they're causing blight in our
neighborhoods.
>> In South University City
we've just learned about two
planned nine unit bonus 80
property projects on properties
that abut one another.
That means 18 units
concentrated together right
next door to Curie Elementary
School in a very high risk fire
zone with one of them in a cul
de sac full of families with
young kids.
>> It's a disaster in
the making.
>> COUNCILMAN Lee, you are a
homeowner and you have two
children with that now concern
you I would think.
>> Now the Planning Department
has then made some revisions to
the bonus edu program but they
haven't gone nearly far enough.
>> So we're asking you to allow
one bonus Edu did restricted
free income for each lot in
single family zones and no more
than four units total which
would include the main house
for is fair everywhere require
unsafe parking for all to use
farther than one half mile
walking distance from public
transit place 16 to 18 foot
height limits on detached two
storey adus use in line with
state law prohibit bonus 80 use
from being built in very high
fire hazard severity zones or
cul de sacs Limit the square
footage to 8000ft for
calculating the number of adus
allowed regardless of the size
of the lot.
And mandate minimum four foot
setbacks from neighboring
properties.
San Diego has suffered enough
under Mayor Gloria and its
mismanagement of a once great
city.
>> Wasteful spending in
competent real estate dealings,
horrific road conditions,
expensive and little used bike
lanes trash collection bait and
switch switch You're complicity
with his bonus adu program
makes you culpable for San
Diego's continued ruin.
My question to you is is this
really the sort of legacy you
want to leave the integrity,
decency and honesty of
the people in elected office
matter?
>> Thank you for that
concluding comment.
>> Paul Krueger The following
people are sitting in your
time.
David Schwartz Please raise
your hand.
Thank you Jacob.
R o t I think it is Jacob.
Jay Yeah, that's Jacob.
Jacob Cindy Jurkovich.
>> Corey.
Corey Juarez.
Corey Going twice.
Corey.
Courtney Boatman.
Lisa Mortenson.
Laura Hanson.
She's gone.
Ron Anderson.
Gone.
Don Anderson Gone.
Ramona.
Greg Adams.
Kathy Adams.
Karen Ebinger.
And Roger Kaplan.
Roger Kaplan.
No.
Roger Kaplan.
We just can't really quite nine
minutes.
Please proceed.
Thank you very much and thank
you for your attention to this
important issue.
I want to recap some things to
begin with in case I run out of
time.
Number one, the message is loud
and clear, sensible and what we
need to do for units is
the maximum we should allow on
single family lots.
You've heard it emotionally and
you've heard it in really,
really impressive detail by my
colleagues Jeff Utah and Dana,
given that they have spent
years studying this code and
they know it inside and out and
they know what's wrong and they
know what needs to be changed
And it's really important that
you please pay attention to
what they're saying.
Number two, please let's stop
with this charade about
affordable housing.
I'm not going to belabor
the point because these people
it is it is in insanity for any
of you to fall for the idea
that this is affordable
housing.
It is not.
Also it's so important to
understand is not being built
in high or very high resource
areas.
These people here today are
from Barrio Logan Troilus and
Canto City Heights Linda Vista,
Sierra mesa, South Claremont.
Let me ask how many people are
here today because their lives
have been negatively impacted
by 12 1517 Unit 37 Unit 750
Unit adus.
How many are you?
Thank you.
Sit down because that wasn't my
punch line.
My punch line is how many of
you are from Carmel Valley?
How many of you are from Del
Mar mesa?
How many of you are from
Fairbanks Ranch Country Club?
How many of you are from Rancho
Bernardo?
Scripps Ranch?
>> Nobody Because they won't
build there because they cannot
number one buy a lot for
$750,000.
And number two, because they're
outside of the usda which which
I cannot take an opportunity I
cannot MISS An opportunity to
tell you the frustration that
people feel and that I know you
are told about about this myth
that we don't have to put
parking in because people are
going to ride the bus.
You know what we need?
What we need is for you to
spare us the insult of saying
that people are going to ride
the bus and that they don't
need a car and just be honest
and say for us it's more
important that we build housing
and that you are going to have
to live without a parking
place.
Personally I don't have that
big an issue with that because
I'm one of the lucky ones that
owns a home that has a garage
and a driveway.
And the fact is that the people
who are penalized most by this
in assistance on a myth of use
of transit at 3% and a bike
lane that I go into on Fairmont
have not seen one bike on this
week are those who are hurt are
working people who rent and who
have trucks and vans that they
put on streets that are open to
theft.
Big families that have kids to
take to school.
So let's just be honest about
that.
Let me give just a little bit
of background about how we got
here because I think it's
important for everyone to know.
I cannot thank you people
enough.
You know, four years ago there
were five of us here.
There were five people.
Four years ago when a six unit
adu project was put in in my
neighborhood which doesn't have
a park, has a library two two
miles away, has some of
the very worst schools in
the city.
We asked questions about what
was happening and nobody knew
because a bonus edu program was
passed during the pandemic and
nobody had any idea about what
it was.
>> We learned over time about
what we're seeing today.
But the word didn't spread and
we were dismissed on the most
scurrilous terms for raising
the very issues that these
people here are raising today.
Three years ago the mayor's
press secretary continually
posted on then called Twitter
that that our bonus edu program
was a success because it
allowed gentle development by
homeowners creating low income
housing in high resource areas.
It took me probably seven
rounds of tweeting back
the reality for Rachel Lang to
abandon that.
That's not what it is and maybe
that's what they thought it was
but it has never been that.
>> Again, the speaker know you
guys have been great listening.
>> I really appreciate it.
And I want to say COUNCILMAN
Foster, I cannot thank you
enough for being here today and
for taking ball on this issue
because the fact is that if it
wasn't for these Encanto people
and these choice people and for
us to champion them, we would
not be here.
It is only because and I say
this with no animosity
whatsoever it is only because
the these predatory developers
moved into an area where they
found and what they do is they
sit a Christian Spicer sits in
his conference room with Google
Maps on a screen and identifies
big lots and identifies areas
where he can go and essentially
cheat people out of their
property.
Will you look at this?
You saw this from Pamela.
I put it up again for you to
read.
Traditional homeowners assess
their properties based on
values from websites Redfin and
Zillow not realizing
the development potential.
They go in there and they
essentially steal these homes
from people.
Look at the last one.
We have a unique opportunity to
acquire these properties now
before homeowner awareness.
That is despicable.
That is absolutely
unacceptable.
And prices jump the Oh, okay.
I am sorry but a really
important thing here.
Let me make two points.
One is yes, we need housing.
The issue is what kind of
housing do we need?
Where do we need it?
What do we need and how much
does it cost?
When you balance what you've
heard today about the lack of
affordability of these units
and the harm that these units
are doing to people who have
spent their life and their
livelihood to buy their
property and keep it up?
It is indefensible to allow
more than four units on a
single family parcel.
We are all so sick of this
confabulation of affordable
rents and apartments and houses
and starter homes.
This is the bottom line and
it's irrefutable every time
Christine Spicer and Daniel
Skolnick buy one of these
properties they are removing
forever a starter home for a
family.
>> Our mayor our mayor has said
our mayor has said and you
agree that Middle income
housing is a very big deal Now
we're turning a lot of
attention towards allowing
helping people to buy homes.
We cannot overstate
the importance of the loss of
these homes.
When these developers come in
and buy them and turn them for
ever into what our apartment
houses and as you see it
happens once.
It's just like a virus.
Christian Spicer comes in and
buys one and puts 12 units on
it.
The people next to it say
they're going to sell and leave
because they can't live there
anymore.
There's another one gone.
This adds up to hundreds of
starter homes for the very
people that the city now says
is trying to help.
In conclusion, just let me say
please listen to these people
and please listen to the genius
of my colleagues in next days.
Thank you.
Next is Merv Thompson.
Merv Thompson You have several
people that are ceding your
time.
Frank Mirabelli, George Amore,
Christine Mirabelli, pac Palko.
This one's hard.
Class packets.
Now I'll come back to that one.
Christine Thompson.
Brian Nichols.
Macallan in Melby.
Teresa Benevides.
Martha Covey to Kelly de cv.
She left very cramped Ligaya
Ligaya Martinez Much.
Thank you.
Okay so the only one I think
it's Kelly is plus Paul on
there.
Oh okay.
Thank you.
You'll have 11 minutes Please
proceed.
>> Fine.
Thank you.
Ladies audio.
Thank you.
Thank you Chamber for listening
to us this afternoon at length
at great length.
>> Much of what I was going to
say I can hear me.
Let me go ahead You hear me
now?
Okay.
Sorry about that.
>> I was going to say that much
of what I was going to say this
afternoon has already been said
much more eloquently than I
ever could And I don't want to
be boring you with repetitious
information.
If I could if I can avoid it.
But let me just say something
that's been on my mind
listening to all of this as
much as ideas are accessory to
main homes.
The bonus program is accessory
to the 80 program.
It's voluntary.
There's no consequence for not
not adopting it whatsoever.
It's in page four of
the handbook the Bible,
the 2025 Bible that governs all
80 u.
Law regulations and all of
the cities in the state.
And because it's accessory
accessory to the 80 use almost
by definition it suggests that
it's not necessary.
Okay.
It's only necessary because you
made it so.
So the problem that we're
facing today is a problem that
you created that the mayor
created.
That's why we're here to solve
your problem.
>> I just can't understand
that.
I can't understand a lot of
what's going on.
For example, I'm digressing now
frankly.
But when I hear that
the solution to this is to come
out with four, five, six, seven
more units as an answer as a
reform to this open ended
process that we've had All
you're doing it's just making
them a little bit smaller but
you're perpetuating
the problem.
Okay.
>> I heard a lot about
the housing crisis and oh my
goodness, the bonuses necessary
for to solve the housing
crisis.
Well, if it were necessary
the oecd would tell you it's
necessary and put it in its
literature And they're not
doing that.
It's a problem because you made
it a problem.
No other city in the state has
an edu bonus program and
certainly none the likes of
which we have here.
So none of the forums in
the state none of the council
meetings in the state mimic
what's going on here today.
None of them.
Because they don't have
the problem.
The problem that you created
because they avoided it they
never adopted it to begin with.
Okay.
That's why we're here.
You know, I've lived in my
neighborhood for 55 years,
raised my children there, went
to school there, remodeled
about 40 times >> And now at
the bottom of our hill right
now a project is going in that
was reported in
the Union-Tribune this morning.
I'm going to have the next
slide courtesy of Christian
Spicer courtesy of Christian
Spicer.
This unit is going in at
the bottom of the hill
surrounded by houses two blocks
away from my house.
You've got six three story
buildings housing 116 80 use
with a portion where you see
all those cars being park
the hotspot attached to that is
that is heritage land.
The last remaining portion of
the Cuzmy village called Lucky
When Nada La Rincon Nada.
And those cars are parked right
on top of it.
>> That roadway that leads into
this project is not even a
public street.
It's called Charles Sidney But
it's not a street.
It's not even paved.
It's a roadway.
It's dirt.
If you take a look at it you
will see the following
Considering that this is in a
very high fire hazard severity
zone.
That roadway is provides only
one ingress and egress.
There is no adequate turnaround
at the end of it.
No adequate turnaround.
There are no two evacuation
points.
And if a fire ever starts there
you're going to have a mini
Palisades because all that
vegetation on these slopes to
work upwards is going to ignite
and the neighborhoods around it
are going to be devastated.
And you best consult your risk
desk today if this project goes
in because it's going to come
down like thunder on the city
and the neighborhoods will be
destroyed in the process.
Look what's happening to
the Admiral Hartman community
down below it.
Never mind the fire.
Look what's happening there.
And the neighborhood that's
occupied with our servicemen.
You see all those little red
dots?
Those are the extra cars are
going to be placed there.
That particular intersection is
only one of two intersections
that provide add at access to
northbound Highway five out of
Pacific Beach every morning.
I invite you to come down there
and witness the logjam that we
already have during rush hours
and imagine if this structure
goes in the catastrophe that
will occur thereafter.
It's unseemly.
It's just totally unseemly.
It's not acceptable that a city
would tolerate this kind of
development with ministerial
approval.
>> It makes no sense whatsoever
.
One of the things I was trying
to point out are going to be
pointing out was this
particular this particular
little exhibit.
This is I think it's one of
the ones that that we had as a
part of the Housing and Urban
Development Program.
What it really identify is
you've seen this all before is
an proves our point in
advocating what neighbors and
others have advocated there
that for is fair we want for is
fair and Pacific Beach.
Absolutely.
What we see here is proof that
forest fair works because it's
five thousand 180 to 1 two
three homes dominate the 5000
720 homes that included
the bonus.
One, two, three.
123.
91% of all homes including
bonus 80 homes including bonus
are caught up in this figure.
And get this.
And as you think about
advocating for four, six and
seven based upon square footage
of lots that the one, two,
three cut across all of
the lots so all of the loss
we're talking about that are
part of the reform that you're
advocating are already subsumed
in one, two three.
So if you were to ask me and
I'm no land use guy what works?
What works is one, two, three
with a maximum of four
including the main house.
That's what works.
Okay.
No.
>> With all of the devastation
that your program is causing to
these neighborhoods and to
assert that your houses have a
housing crisis that justifies
it, you don't solve a crisis by
creating another crisis.
>> Okay.
You just don't do that.
>> I'm going to conclude early
Instead of taking you through a
lot of the exhibits that I was
going to be showing you about
why seven six, 654 are not to
scale because they're not
they're not to scale at all And
yet that is what one of your
amendments proposes to do.
It's just simply wrong.
It's wrong in some of the data
that you've used to calculate
calculate the five, six, seven,
eight the 1000 square foot main
house that doesn't exist.
It's a fiction.
The average house of the city
of San Diego is 1500 square
feet.
And besides that, to calculate
the way you did if maximum home
sizes were placed on these
lots, guess how many to use You
could build none except for
the state required to.
Okay.
That's a fact.
So the calculation in measure
measures that you have taken
that cover four, five, six and
seven just don't work.
They don't even take into
consideration what or
the nuances that exist in every
lot.
It's a failure of analysis.
What works is for four spare
including the base residence.
Thank you Maria Conrad.
>> After Mayor Conrad, it's
Charlie.
Our Christopher Pablo, Gail
Vimont and Robert Campbell.
If you could start making your
way up to the other reserved
seats as well as Mandy Havlik,
please proceed.
>> So I know that you all know
and they all know especially
since the last speaker spoke
that the bonus edu program is
not necessary in any way to
meet any state mandated housing
mandates.
Nothing is needed from
the bonus edu program it is
known.
How do we know that?
Because San Diego is the only
place in the entire state that
has it every other area has
figured it out in a way that is
not allowing corporate takeover
of our neighborhoods and
destroying the very fabric of
our city.
I am calling on you to dissolve
the bonus Edu program.
It is divisive.
It is dangerous and it is
disrespectful.
It is disrespectful to all of
your constituents.
It is disrespectful to
everybody who wants to live in
a city that feels heard by
the people.
>> Thank you for comment.
Okay.
Thank you, Charlie.
Charlie Our aup are Charlie are
you here?
>> Oh, Christopher, that is you
And you have a PowerPoint
presentation.
>> You have time ceded to you
If the following individuals
can please raise their hand and
have their public please raise
your hand.
Oh okay.
Leela or Lila?
>> Thank you.
And Ezra.
Oh, there is no age requirement
here.
>> You have four minutes.
Please proceed.
Hi, my name is Christopher
Pope.
I took time off of work to be
here.
I've never been to a council
meeting.
I actually wouldn't be.
No.
Most of the wonderful people
here if it wasn't for this
issue that I found out about it
affecting me five weeks ago.
And let me be clear.
>> I am an edu builder.
I've built eight views on two
of my properties 2 to 80 years
on each.
Each of you has to park with
each owner to use a below
market rent.
>> It's possible.
I encourage all my my fellow
colleagues at work to do
the same thing by building a
you help housing crisis.
You don't have to be greedy
about it.
So this issue is affecting my
cold tech.
It's a safety concern because
there's no parking.
Kristen Spicer Siri it's
building ten units on a single
family lot.
>> It's disturbing because I
didn't know about this until
four weeks ago when
the excavators came up and
showed up Start digging for
the construction And I went
down to the theater.
I heard from my neighbors it
was going to be a ten unit lot
and I was shocked.
And it's a safety concern
because we have a narrow cul de
sac and there's no room for 20
cars.
I'm fighting for my family.
>> It's a fire hazard.
There was no transparency when
I built a to use on my lot.
I let my community know I
provide parking.
I provide all the monies that I
would want if I lived there.
It's possible I'm asking to
stop this project in my cul de
sac project.
Prj1124433 now.
At the developer we work it.
Thank you for sending mild and
summer to my house to meet with
our community to try to set up
a meeting with the developer.
Unfortunately the developer
didn't show up.
I'm.
>> Next slide please.
Next time you missed that one.
Talk about that.
This is an analysis of all
the cars that could fit in in
our cul de sac.
There's nine single family
locked in our call.
The fact there there's nine car
nine nine parking spots.
Assuming you could you could
fit two cars on the narrow,
narrow spot right there.
It's not possible to have an
emergency vehicle come up that
hill.
Garbage has been missed in our
cul de sac because cars were
parked in that manner.
But that's the only way to
legally park nine cars in our
cul de sac.
How would we fit 20?
On an average night there's
only 2 or 3 open spots.
Next slide.
>> This is just And look at our
cul de sac at night.
There's no open spot on Burton
Street.
Next slide.
>> The developer if this rules
the proletariat is pro
developer anti middle class.
>> This house with a run down
two storey 2a2 bedroom, one
bathroom house.
The estimate 800,000 on
the market for 995 because
the sellers were already
getting calls before they put
it on the market.
>> Christian Spicer bought it
for 1.25 $1.22225 million
beating any competitor who
would buy this rundown house
for that much.
>> Long Behold we didn't know
about its plans.
Explain Christian Spicer owner
theory.
This is all from his website.
Read it.
He started a theory.
He started pro how he started
Brooklyn moving.
He owns the real estate.
He owns the He owns
the construction company.
>> He's making bank.
Most people who are homeowners
and who care about
the community would not do
that.
>> I finally get to meet a
developer within here on
the blue blazer who came up.
I went out to talk to him and
politely asked him Why are you
provide, you know, parking?
What's up with that?
Why?
>> I want to understand if I'm
in the wrong side wrong mindset
please stop this pr game
project Now reworking.
>> We still have about an hour
left of public comment.
The hand-waving does help get
people up here.
Gail Vermont Do you have time
city to buy Neal Weiner Winner.
Oh thank you City council
members for your difficult work
and great effort on this
matter.
Please focus on this fact.
As you've heard this is not
affordable housing.
It is property capture.
>> There are many reasons to
rein in the bonus adu program.
You've heard them.
It allows multiple unit
buildings to go up without a
next door neighbor, much less a
community say to bypass parking
requirements and contributions
to schools, park and
infrastructure.
Archer Fire codes aren't being
monitored, observed or
enforced.
Affordable housing is not being
created.
>> Instead, as we've just
heard, commercial interests are
out bidding on single family
homes.
They take them off the market
building and then renting what
would be otherwise called
apartment buildings at prices
they see fit.
And so they control these rents
and properties for the future.
Our children are our friends,
our families.
>> Our neighbors lose.
And this is a social justice
issue.
And I know that my particular
COUNCILMAN Member Seanie Lo
Rivera is very concerned about
social justice and people from
the middle class and those who
need homes to have affordable
housing.
And this is not doing it.
It's taking those houses away
and locking them up forever.
>> Please accept the full
amendments submitted by
neighbors for a better San
Diego and make all of San Diego
accessible and livable for its
residents now and in
the future.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you, Rob Campbell.
You have several people sitting
in your chime.
Charles Douglass, please raise
your hand.
Marge Werfel, Irwin Fowler.
Fowler.
I don't see anyone there.
Hendricks Terry Winn, thank
you.
>> Mary Young Michael with
Marlin Edward Walton.
No idea how easy.
Judith McElwee Judith I don't
see a Judith that takes you to
eight minutes.
>> Please proceed on.
Ready?
Thank you.
I only have one slide.
It will remain up the entire
time and I feel free to read
it.
I am.
So we heard from the planning
department when they presented
today that there was
significant public outreach
when this was passed.
Um oh.
I also want to say feel free if
you're in the audience if you
want to stand up or clap.
Uh, I'm fine with that During
my time.
Um, so so the significant
public outreach But yet today
if you've watched the director
of planning the entire time
she's been on the phone or on
the computer listening to none
of what we've had to say.
Same with the assistant
director here.
So or they're out of the out of
the room completely.
So you know and some of
the first comments I hear from
the council are thanking
the director and the planning
department after their comments
.
Uh, as another gentleman
reminded us, the reason we're
here today is because they
implemented these requirements.
Um, so please do not thank them
.
Uh, when when your time comes
to speak um, and I'm generally
pretty curious how these guys
still have a job with
the public backlash that we've
got.
So we're facing a housing
crisis.
And accessory dwelling units
ready to use are often
presented as a solution.
The current bonus edu program
if left unchecked risks
creating more problems than it
solves.
Undermining the very idea of
dignified housing for all and
violating the spirit of
California's affirmatively
furthering fair housing
mandate.
fh I want to start by thanking
the San Diego City Attorney for
recognizing the importance and
legal requirement to fh and
incorporating specific f h
standards into legal framework
that we saw today.
Ensuring that high and highest
opportunity areas receive
income restricted affordable
housing moving forward.
This is a critical step towards
dismantling concentrated
poverty and providing real
opportunity something that our
own planning department has not
been interested in addressing
until last Friday.
From the letter from the State
to truly fulfill the fh mandate
we must acknowledge that all
land within the city of San
Diego must be viewed through
the lens of fh.
This means that all zoning
designations including r x r m
r s must be considered when
crafting and implementing fh
centric policies.
We cannot cherry pick as we've
done today for fha compliance
like the Planning Department
has done.
We must have a comprehensive
approach across the entire city
.
Please take note of
the document that I've got on
the on the screen there.
It says This is from sdr
Investment Profile.
So this is for their investors
future investors Traditional
homeowners assess their
properties based on values from
websites such as Redfin or
Zillow.
Not realizing development
potential after this edu craze
fully catches on.
Prices will dramatically
increase as awareness and
development potential
increases.
We have a unique opportunity to
acquire these properties now
before homeowner awareness and
prices jump.
Well ideas can increase housing
supply.
The current bonus program
designed to incentivize
affordable units is being
exploited Working exactly as
the Planning department
intended.
This is not an unintended
consequence This is intended
consequence impacting
neighborhoods
disproportionately.
Developers are building
substandard cheaply constructed
units often maximizing density
on single lots straining
infrastructure like public
safety, parking, water and
sewage.
This unchecked intended
development is not just
changing the character of our
neighborhoods it's creating
housing that lacks basic
dignity, cramped spaces, poor
construction and inadequate
infrastructure are not
the building blocks of thriving
communities Even worse.
These quote affordable unquote
bonus adu units are often
affordable only in name.
They're constantly adding new
residents in low resource
areas, perpetuating cycles of
poverty and denying
the opportunity for dignified
living conditions.
This concentration directly
contradicts California's ffo
mandate which requires us to
actively dismantle patterns of
segregation and promote
equitable access to
opportunity.
Concentrated poverty leads to
poor performing public schools,
limited access to resources and
increased crime.
It creates communities that are
isolated and lack
the opportunity needed to
thrive.
Dignify right Housing is more
than just shelter.
It's a foundation for
opportunity and a key element
of filling our obligations.
The fundamental flaw in
the Planning Department
approach has been the disregard
of the public input.
Fh Mandate and lack of land
value capture When raising
the value of land the bonus edu
program without mechanisms to
recoup the increased land
value.
As this slide illustrates, is
driving up prices across San
Diego.
This creates a perverse
incentive or the most
affordable homes the very homes
families rely on to build their
futures are being snatched up
by for profit investors under
the bonus edu program.
The planning department knew
this would happen.
This is their design.
This is a significant
contributing factor to
the rising cost of
homeownership in San Diego.
The stark reality is this As of
today there is only one
thousand 145 single family
homes listed for sale in San
Diego on Zillow while
additional 1666 single family
homes are listed for rent.
There are more single family
homes for rent today than for
sale.
Alongside that there's an
additional 8679 apartments for
rent.
This imbalance of ten rentals
per one home ownership
opportunity demonstrates that
the bonus edu program as it
currently operates is a major
if not the single greatest
pressure on increasing in
single family home prices in
San Diego today.
By placing companies like sdr
again on the screen in direct
competition with individual
families seeking to own a home,
take out a mortgage we cannot
simply build our way out of
the housing crisis without
considering the consequences.
We need reasonable development
that prioritizes quality over
quantity ensuring that every
San Diego and has access to
dignified housing and that we
are actively working to
dismantle segregation as
required by fha.
We need to reform the Bonus to
You program demanding higher
standards for construction
space and access to essential
services.
We need to invest in
infrastructure and resources to
support all communities
ensuring equitable access to
opportunity across our city.
And we must ensure that
the city's attorneys fha
efforts are fully implemented,
supported and expanded to all
zoning in the city as we
recognize that fha implications
exist across all zoning
categories.
Today the city attorney has
effectively stepped up in place
of the planning department
doing the director's job
recommending to this council a
plan that leverages the city
chc and City's research based
data driven map to incorporate
efforts affo language into
legal framework.
Let's all advocate for
responsible planning that truly
benefits all San Diegans not
just developers, investors and
politicians.
Actively promote fair housing
as mandated by California law.
Let's commit to building a city
where everyone has
the opportunity to live with
dignity, thrive and to and has
access for opportunity not just
survive.
Please repeal the program page
.
>> Well I think I had 20s left
ten 20s left.
You can proceed.
Thank you guys And keep
clapping.
And notice that Sean Rivera has
been absent for about half of
the meeting.
Won't make eye contact with me
.
I Vivian I see you there too.
It's nice when the council
participates in the public
input.
It takes a lot out of our time
and effort to get here.
All right.
A lot of us have to leave work
early, take days off.
Right.
And to be here and be
disrespected in that regard.
>> Just shows why we are where
we are.
Thanks.
Sage Gonzalez Walden.
Mandi Havoc.
I can also ask Eric Becerra.
Andrea Ebbing Susan Ward Lewis
Stewart or Louise Stewart.
Sharon Gill and Tiago Battista
to please come up to the front
row.
Mandy.
Oh you're.
Sorry.
You have people sitting in your
time.
Angela Better if you can please
raise your hand.
Thank you.
Michael Gilliam.
Yep.
And Bob Daniel.
Thank you.
You'll have.
Oh Oh and Angela better areas
of the.
All right.
That's four minutes.
Please proceed.
Thank you.
Good evening.
Council PRESIDENT And council
members.
Thank you for your service.
My name is Mandy Harb.
Like I'm the first vice chair
of the Peninsula Community
planning Board.
And I speak on behalf on behalf
of our board and our community
to express our strong
opposition to the abuse of
the adu bonus density program
and to voice their support for
the reform proposals as brought
forward by the community
Planners Committee cpc.
First, we urge the Council to
process the majority of
the proposed adu and Bonus adu
program revisions through a
full code update and process to
ensure meaningful public input.
While we understand that some
urgent changes MAY require a
shorter timeline, most should
not bypass proper community
review.
We report we support sunsetting
the bonus edu program in our as
one hour and one at our m two
zones by the end of the current
housing element cycle in 2029.
This provides a reasonable time
frame that protects the city's
housing element Compliance
while allowing a structured
rollback of a harmful program
that was implemented without
adequate community engagement.
>> We support prohibiting
the short term vacation rentals
on any parcel that was built a
part of the bonus or state
allowed edu and in the 92107
zip code my neighborhood almost
10% of those units are for
vacation rentals.
Do we have an affordable
housing crisis or do we not?
>> These units should be part
of the long term housing plan
and not fueling the tourism
market.
So we also want to support
restoring the setbacks and
the height limits to the state
Standard zero setbacks and
backyard adu towers destroy
the privacy and disrupt
the character of established
neighborhoods.
Another thing is the urban
forestry is in the setbacks and
the backyards of our community.
This will greatly impact
the tree canopy of our
community.
>> We strongly oppose
the city's proposal to allow
joint ideas to be rented for
less than 31 days.
That undermines the very
justification for the program
Expanding Housing affordability
California law does not prevent
the city from requiring a 31
day minimum rental return and
the city should maintain that
standard.
>> We also oppose allowing
the adu to exceed the floor
area ratio limits up to 1200
square feet.
This undermines zoning
integrity and contributes to
overbuilding.
We are especially concerned
about how the sustainable
development area is being
defined.
The current definition is based
on a one mile future transit
watershed much of which is
unfunded.
It's unfunded and it MAY never
be built.
We urge the City Council to
revise the sga to a one half
mile walking distance and to
only include transit stops that
are either currently in
operation or fully funded for
completion within five years.
The Peninsula community we do
support affordable housing but
this program as it stands is
overreaching and is harming our
infrastructure.
Our neighbors roads and our
quality of life.
We can see a stress on our our
streets, our water mains, our
sewer lines and our electrical
systems that were never
designed for this type of
growth.
We're putting our neighborhoods
at real risk by pushing them
beyond their capacity.
>> We respectfully ask you just
to listen to us.
We're all here on our own time.
We are frustrated by
the current development
strategy and we ask that you
listen to your constituents and
to adopt the cpc recommendation
and protect our neighborhoods
from overdevelopment and ensure
that major changes go through a
full public code update in
the future.
>> Thank you.
Thank you.
Next we have Erika Bezerra.
Erick, you have people sitting
in your time if they can please
raise their hand.
Catalina, etc..
Zephaniah Brandon Kenya and
Epiphany.
Thank you.
You'll have six minutes.
Please proceed.
I came oh one of my minutes is
going to be in Spanish so can I
translate for myself and get
that additional minute?
>> I'm going to translate for
myself.
>> If you can translate for
yourself then it's not a
translation.
It's a translation.
Can you translate for a minute
for me please?
>> We will start your timer
please proceed.
>> My name is Eric Sarah and
I'm from district four.
Now I came straight from work
so I don't have my shirts but I
do have my Superman cape,
right?
I want I want to thank our
neighbors for a better San
Diego.
I feel very, very sorry that
nobody listened to them for
four years.
I want to thank them for
telling Encanto Thank you for
us rising for for them to be
heard for years.
That is unacceptable, guys.
Thank you, MR. Henry Foster.
He made the motion right.
Where were the other motions?
Where were the other motions,
guys?
It was something that that
should have been done a long
time ago before MR. Foster did
that motion And and there was a
lot of pressure on Father's Day
my wife and I walked
the neighborhood once again.
We are expanding from Encanto.
We were in the Skyline area
informing other people of of
the 80 use that are coming.
MR. Foster I know you're aware
but there already building We
took pictures and and people
still don't know what's going
on So this is just the tip of
the iceberg of what's going to
happen with the with
the coalition with the San
Diego Coalition of Voters.
Right.
When you look at the slips for
and against, look who's going
to vote for you Look look for
who's going to vote for you.
Right?
So it's something that we feel
like we have to do.
Why do we have to do it?
They wish for a better San
Diego look at how much work
they put into it And other
neighbors like MS..
Pam all the all the information
that they give you guys you
guys have staffers that are
doing this information because
we're finding all this
information out.
>> I've only known about this
stuff since the month
the beginning of the year
thanks to my neighbor Tiago
back here.
So it is sad when we start
digging and going Don't don't
they know Don't you guys know
the owner Council members know
now you guys when you guys
decided to run, what were you
guys thinking?
I'm going to run because I'm
going to make San Diego better.
I'm going to run because I'm
going to listen to my voters.
I'm going to run because I'm
going to take care of my
constituency.
Right?
I mean that's what I would
assume, right?
I mean I would you know,
anybody running that's what I
think probably goes to you guys
is mine.
I can make a change.
But this is tarnishing Diego
just like they should All
the dots of all these new use
It's like the plague, right?
So we have to push back.
We have to push back.
We are the medicine.
We are going to push back right
?
So we are we are going to
continue.
I started going to Vivian
Moreno's district and I'm going
to start in that district.
I remember dancing to Aztec
dancing right there at Barrio
Logan Right Chunky such as this
house is still flooded.
It's still got it.
I spoke to the community
planning there It is
embarrassed.
What's going on guys?
Come on.
Neighbors for a better San
Diego has done all this
homework.
Are you guys listening Now
the other thing I want to say
congratulation to the planning
department for being on plan.
Congrats.
Congratulations.
I was during the planning
department there argue you keep
the planning department was
arguing about the hype How
about if the house is one story
then be 80 use or one story in
the houses two stories then
maybe the 80 user two stories
because they fit in
the landscape right Trees
everything that's going on
guys.
The planning department were
arguing about the silliest
things they were supposed to be
our planning department.
Well the things the plan I
don't see things that look very
planned at all And the lawsuits
are probably going to start
with the sewers problems going
on.
I mean this is just the tip of
the iceberg of what's going to
happen once some of these users
are going to go for sale and
the problems that are going to
happen.
When I was on the phone when
you guys were talking about
the cuts Right and talking
about the police and they were
arguing about oh, you know
what, if you call police
they'll be there in 50 minutes
and then cancel.
When my wife called for
the police they put on hold and
it was 45 minutes.
So just imagine with all these
80 use the response time What's
going to happen guys?
What's going to happen now It
is super sad.
My wife is not here but she is
lady Four words matter right?
Words do matter And we are
these are my kids right here
And I commend them for even
saying guys, it's Father's Day.
We went out to eat.
But you know what?
Your mom and I have to go and
knock on doors.
They've gone to knock on doors
with us.
They've gone out there to knock
on doors with us so they can
know what it is to fight for
your community.
Right?
So so I commend my kids I
commend neighbors for a better
San Diego Right.
If you guys want to know what
political suicide just look at
the mayor's website.
Look who's supporting him.
Right?
Look, I support him.
It is devastating.
You know, I wish I could I
could I could have had a great
Father's Day with my family but
no, we're knocking on doors.
Let me know when my minute is
for Spanish.
So you're going to have four
seconds.
>> You get one minute for
Spanish and one in English and
I'll translate to empathize to
get ask.
>> Yes.
You know these are immigrants.
This is this is for you see
they have a lot of an Francisco
That's what I requirement But
Viviana moreno this is for you
please start I was very
disappointed in the way you
voted or you want me to trim.
>> I could do it to Estavam We
listen to another the Como
voters This is very
disappointed in how you voted.
>> Oh I thought I You speak
Spanish I translate to English.
Okay.
Because if you're going to talk
to her in English she knows
English.
>> I don't need to translate it
to her in Spanish.
Well, sometimes I don't think
she could tell.
>> I'm sorry.
Here goes.
I apologize.
I'm going to do Spanish And you
do English.
>> Please proceed.
Okay.
Do do MRS. La Unica care.
What's this?
You were the only one that
voted in Obviously is not
normal or not anything wrong
Call those use with the 80 you
do The cases can also trust
behemoth Las Casas Viviendo
vendors You said that
the houses weren't homes or
weren't livable Safe way to
escape but not and there is a
response I believe that they
would come over to us That was
your escape in order to not
have a reason for how you
voted.
>> See two of us own over
quarter near the prison Your
skinny He's this good
The recall, huh?
>> If you call for an Uber for
your daughter of three years
old to pick you up you're going
to rock on consumers Una siento
And it comes with a car with
only one seat it to these this
pair opened with opener me in i
stick roll but I can't put my
daughter in this car working on
espacio and my own local
presence so as you enter ninos
because there is room for a car
seat El manager Autoris\ and
the driver says Bibiana Moreno
says transportation is
transportation Maybe Viviane
Moreno says transportation is
transportation Get three person
Beatriz There's a sadness
Michael Or the people My color
of my skin is called Moreno is
called Moreno And your last
name is Moreno and your last
name is Moreno.
>> You're speaking in English.
You MAY not be aware.
Yes or MADAM Whichever one side
And that that makes me
embarrassed.
Where when Sun embers or Hello
Ocala voters different e
commerce Commerce town
Hopefully you change your vote
and you change how you're
voting That concludes your time
.
I'm now going to educate I
appreciate that he apologize.
Let's stay classy.
Keep your eye on the ball and
the goal you're trying to
achieve here You much be much
better off Andrea ebbing if you
can please come forward after
that is Susan Ward Luis Luis
Stuart Sharon Gil Thiago
Battista Josh and Collins,
Martha Abraham, Rami Cortez and
Lauren Bamber.
If you can all please start
coming up to the first row.
Andrea you'll have one minute.
Please proceed.
Thank you.
My name is Andrea Ebbing and I
just wanted to stress
the importance of listening to
this group of people the really
impassioned and the well
explain that as a cautionary
tale of corruption and
kickbacks from the county of
San Diego.
So when these strange things
happen in the county and in
the city and they're in
explicable and we don't
understand why for example
the homeless crisis that we
have the addiction crisis we
have the opioid crisis we have
these are usually permitted by
extreme kickbacks.
So I would just caution
everybody to really make
the appropriate vote here
because I had reported the same
group of people that were
driving the opioid crisis
homeless crisis addiction
crisis importing people from
Oklahoma to California for
treatment And nobody listened
to me for four years.
But you know who was really
happy to hear from me?
Blue Cross Blue Shield who now
knows that the county of San
Diego ignored every single one
of my reports and that will
happen with these people here
next is Susan Ward.
Susan Ward it's people sitting
your time if they can please
raise their hand.
Nate Faries, Rosie Shands,
Karen Gun Cicero, Jesse
Gallegos, Maria Landis, Juan
Carlos Flores.
Kim Sharpe I think.
Thank you Laurie Frieda Joan
Dowd and Michael Jackson.
>> Michael Jackson had to
leave.
Okay.
You'll have nine minutes.
>> Excuse me.
Can we just have a minute to
set up some large boards?
>> I'm going to just go move on
to the next speaker to give you
some time to set up and then
we'll go forward with you.
>> Luis Stuart or Luis Stuart l
o u I s Stuart No sharing Go
after Sharon will be Diego You
can come to the if you can just
make room for her to get to
the speaker.
Thank you.
I'll have a minute please
proceed.
>> Despite what some people MAY
think the majority of voters
want more housing in the last
election the pro housing
candidates were elected.
The candidates many of
the people in this room were
supported, laughed And despite
what some people might say, we
should not blame developers for
building housing.
No one would build anything if
there weren't customers who
wanted to rent those houses.
Yes, brand new housing is
always more expensive than old
but there are still people who
want to rent them because
people need housing In San
Diego This is about the nurses,
teachers and secretaries and
others who are struggling to
live in San Diego.
Those are the people who rent
these units.
I urge you to support
the people who elected you and
want housing.
I urge you to support
the people in San Diego who are
struggling to live here.
Thank you.
Next is Tiago and you have time
to buy Rebecca about Theaster
Thank you And Susan Drury Susan
d are you are way No no not
sitting or not here Oh you're
sitting at the back of what you
say So Tiago Oh Tiago you have
time ceded to you by back
artist and Susan Drury seated
her time to think about these
two.
So are you ceding it?
Yeah I know So I'm trying to
get Susan since she's not
speaking are you ceding it to
Tiago?
Okay.
Thank you.
You'll have three minutes.
>> Please proceed.
Thank you so much for listening
to me.
Each of us.
I'm here to speak on behalf of
these amazing people that I
consider to be part of my
family.
We've been long ways here since
JANUARY and the team from
the better San Diego has been
fighting for these for about
four years.
But when it's your show, share
a little bit about my story but
it's not about me.
This is about everyone here And
I bet that each one of you guys
can relate to this.
But I migrated to United States
22 years ago with 300 bucks in
my pocket left behind a third
world country that I love I
adore so much always being
super vocal about how Unites
States California and specific
is a place of things that you
guys do things well planned
fairly.
That's why United States and
California is consider first
our first world country.
I worked very hard three jobs
No we stop working here while I
am listening to each of these
amazing people sharing these
stories and their numbers here
did all my homework before I
bought a property in Canton
which I love my community I is
30.
What could be build what I
could not what my neighbor next
door could do so or not had two
beautiful kids with my
beautiful wife Rebecca and
finally we thought we were
getting somewhere We're doing
we're crushing, We're getting
there almost achieving
the American dream.
Guess what Just joking.
>> Then the first step came.
We found out an apartment
complex JANUARY 4th right next
to my door 43 units
unreasonable Second step We
learned that everything was
fast closed doors during covid
during the pandemic We had no
choice no no way to fight for
it to speak about it or
anything like that.
>> Bono's radio sdk equals
third world country.
Are you guys ready to take
the city This country?
Darrell Vivian Moreno I know
you very well Spoken about this
and that this is true.
You also a lot of people damage
jumping on these phone calls
here that they're not here They
are against us.
>> They are all you to thank
you for that concluding
comment.
Gotcha YouTube I'll go back and
search Bono's word Bono's San
Diego Bono's in San Diego.
>> You'll have nine minutes.
>> Hi, my name is Susan Ward.
This is going to be a little
different presentation just a
little more personal.
So I've been a resident here
for nine years and Linda Vista
I love Linda Vista.
It has a very what would you
call um kind of one of those
looks that's relaxed in my
opinion which I prefer.
So that's why I chose to move
to Linda Vista plus take a lot
to Canyon.
It's beautiful.
I love the people.
I love the diversity.
I love that there's a mixture
of people Asian, Hispanic,
black, white and others.
So I love it.
A lot of people don't know how
wonderful Linda Vista is and a
lot of people thought these old
homes that you're going to see
that are happened to be 750ft
which is interesting.
>> These houses were created to
house the people that made
the planes for World War Two.
So that being said, there
should be some kind of respect
to me for these historical
homes, this historical
community.
Not only that Eleanor Roosevelt
she actually put a shovel to
the ground.
>> There was a mall one of
the first malls was created in
Linda Vista and it was Eleanor
Roosevelt that put that shovel
to the ground Historical
community.
So we're going to look into
this and see if we can
designate it a historical
community.
>> That being said, I just want
to start with let's see we're
going to go ahead and get into
the houses in Linda Vista.
So there's a home And when you
see this home this is one of
those houses we were talking
about And it reminds me you've
heard this before some of you
of sand lot I just thought
super cute house I'd love to
live here or here in this
location And so yes thank you.
And then what you will see in
the backyard when you go to
the backyard is this that's
what you used to see.
Now you're going to see
something different And you
that this is what you see there
now And it's 18 units in this
cute little house backyard That
is unacceptable.
Well, I actually had somebody
come in to the back and they
said I saw photograph.
But when I stood in that space
I couldn't believe it.
It's totally different from
the photograph.
It almost I swear you're going
to cry And that's why we wanted
MR. Camper.
We wanted you to come And that
was the reason Miles came.
And I'm just curious.
I was wondering what he told
you And I don't know if you can
answer back or not, but okay.
But yes, we would love to hear
Miles at some point tell us
what his experience was and
share that with all of you so
that you have an understanding
of how this hurts people.
>> That home is is totally
changed The rest of their life.
They're going to live at this
home that was arranged if you
look at what they did in
the backyard, they have a they
have this little hammock.
They have a fire pit.
They even have what is it
the tree house.
A tree house.
Super cute for this to happen
is just so sad.
So that being said I would like
the owner to come up and speak
on his behalf about this
situation.
Thank you, Jessie.
Hello.
My name is Juan Carlos Flores.
As she mentioned, this is my
home and I still struggle to
see how this massive three
story 18 unit apartment complex
is called or qualifies as an
adu.
It's five feet from my property
line.
It's got 18 windows looking
into my backyard.
My privacy you know my family
has lost all privacy is causing
severe stress over the cost to
regain our privacy And I don't
even know if it's possible
Besides all the concerns being
brought up by the community,
there is also an emotional and
social impact to families that
to be considered.
When my wife and I bought our
home in in the Vista 22 years
ago we chose it because it was
in a quiet street, a one way
street on the Takealot Canyon
Rim.
Our peaceful street of 21
single family homes will soon
be crowded with 62 homes with
nothing preventing further over
a developing right.
Relocating is not an option My
family has built a community
here.
My 12 year old son attends
school nearby moving would
disrupt their life and our
financial goals.
Miles from computers as soon as
he mentioned came out to see
this Right.
And he came out to see
the neighborhood and saw
firsthand the damage that's
being done to our communities.
I hope MR. Compiler that those
concerns got back to you And I
do want to extend an offer to
all of you to come to my house
and see the damage that
unchecked development is doing
to our communities.
It's open invitation and I will
email all of you guys
the address and you're welcome
to come and see because
the pictures as they said they
don't do justice When you stand
there a lot of people mention I
would cry and my family has
cried because it's impacting.
So please consider what you're
doing to our community.
Does that conclude your
comments?
Do I still have some time?
Two minutes and 11 seconds.
The timer is right there.
We can turn that with you.
>> Okay.
Okay.
We're going to talk a little
bit about fire and why we're
concerned about that situation.
Not only that situation.
We have cars lined street and
it's narrow 1952 roads We have
a canyon.
This is a gentleman that is
homeless.
He's been in this site about
five times.
We've had him to leave.
He's come back.
We're worried about what
happened with Fryer's fires So
you can see the property is up
there at the top.
>> We're also concerned about
those people in that on that
property.
How are the ambulances going to
get in If there's a fire in
particular to canyon?
You can see how close that is
to the canyon.
>> How are we getting out?
If you notice two hundred and
20 mobile homes that are
surrounded by a lot of canyon.
They only have one way in and
one way out into our little
community.
If you notice 91 Casa Bella
townhomes surrounded by tequila
today only have one way and one
way out and they're going to
feed into our little tiny
neighborhood That's a thousand
cars bottlenecking at hostler
to get out to Comstock and on
hostler there's a new to you
happening on hostler and it's
already crowded So we've got a
safety issue here.
We keep saying we've got a
safety issue That means stop
the ados Now we have done more
than enough.
There's no way we should
continue with this.
You're adding to the safety
issue.
>> Here's our dream home.
We probably don't have time.
How much can we get?
15 seconds.
Okay, let's go ahead.
These are homes that people
other homes that are within
their backyard.
There's about four other ones.
Laurie, you want to come up and
say something real quick or
something like Lori's home is
here.
>> That's okay.
Thank you for that concluding
comment.
We only have six speakers left
in chambers and we'll go to
those participating remotely
Josh and Collins if you can
please come up Collins, Josh
and Collins after that Martha
Abraham Ramy or Remy Cortez,
Lorena Bembry and Ramsay's
Laura MISS Fantastic I have a
minute that was donated to me.
You are Martha Yeah.
Okay.
Just leave it right there in
the clear box.
Someone will come up and get it
.
>> Anything to get the name off
of it.
Can you raise your hand if you
seated your time?
Susan Baldwin Susan Baldwin are
you here?
Oh, thank you so much.
You'll have two minutes.
Please proceed.
Thank you.
My name is Martha Abraham.
I'm from district four Speaking
on the record I would like to
start by asking you all a
question How many of you have
been born?
>> Just raise your hand.
That's hard to believe when
there's over a thousand
comments saying that they don't
want something and you all vote
against it.
Let's not dance around
the truth because when it comes
to the bonus radio program in
San Diego it's clear somebody
is getting rich and it's not
us.
When I think about the bonus
Edu program I always see
the monopoly men similar to
the men sitting in that
boardroom back there men
dressed in business suits
running away with bags of money
grinning as a chick as they're
cashing in on a system rigged
in their favor.
That's what this is a game
where developers win big and
our communities pay the price.
They see some bonus aid
developers developments are
outliers but if that was true,
why do they keep showing up in
under-resourced neighborhoods
Wire our communities in ones
already struggling with
infrastructure strain and
historical disinvestment
the ones absorbing the brunt of
the so called housing solution?
>> They say some developers are
taking advantage of the program
But that's But let's be honest
Do you really believe people
saying that aren't in bed with
the same developers cashing in?
This isn't a loophole being
exploited.
It's a pipeline engineered with
intent backed by insiders and
paved with taxpayer subsidies
And who pays the price?
We do.
Communities are being left to
deal with overcrowded streets,
dwindling resources and
unaffordable rents while
developers walk away with 200
to 400 a return on investment.
We're left with
the catastrophic repercussions.
>> Thank you.
Thank you.
>> Rami Cortez Good evening.
Council PRESIDENT Lacob and
Council members.
My name is Rami Cortez and I
was born and raised in San
Diego.
We find ourselves not only in a
housing crisis but a
humanitarian crisis as
the number of our unhoused
neighbors continues to rise due
to our inability to provide
housing supply at all income
levels.
In our last housing cycle there
were only 37 moderate homes
built.
Of the 15,462 targeted.
This is less than one quarter
of 1% of the Rina goal In just
a few years the number of deed
restricted moderate income
homes has increased by 1,000%
as a result of the adu bonus
program.
The program is working so well
it's supported by a diverse
coalition of transit market
rate, affordable housing
business and environmental
advocate groups whose
membership makes up thousands
of San Diegans supporting
the 80 bonus program amendments
which enhance safety and remove
outlier projects support middle
income housing where we need it
most along transit corridors
and job centers.
>> Thank you.
Thank you.
Lorena Bambury You were seated
on time by Keenan Bambury
Please raise your hand.
You'll have two minutes.
Please proceed.
>> Good evening.
Today we're here so that
the City Council can vote on
whether or not to accept
the amendments proposed
regardless of how it's voted
today it's not enough.
Following the vote, the city
needs to do a moratorium on
the buildings and permits that
fall under the bonus 80 You and
the sga.
The Council has that authority
evidenced by the moratoriums
that were implemented during
covid and in the 1970s the City
Council did the same thing when
there was a huge development
without infrastructure taken
into consideration following
said moratorium the city should
repeal the bonus edu and sga
state laws are sufficient
enough to accomplish what
the city is seeking which is
more housing.
The moratorium would also help
the City Council current issue
that they are facing with
the state which is if you vote
in favor of the amendments you
might be violating state laws.
If you don't, who knows what
that letter As a real estate
attorney the bonus edu and aca
were poorly written and
actually violate other city
municipal codes.
Fire codes among others
contradict three laws lead to a
floodgate of litigation and
the city paying out millions of
settlements for negligence
claims that are inevitable
given the fire, emergency and
safety concerns that your
constituents have repeatedly
reeser.
And who's going to pay for
those claims?
The citizens not the developers
Further stating that
the removal of the bonus
program would prevent low
income people from living in
the wealthiest neighborhoods is
not a good faith argument.
The 80 used in those areas are
not actually going to low
income people.
So in summary vote for
the amendments however you
choose But the main thing is do
a moratorium then repeal
the laws.
>> Thank you.
Ramsay's Laura.
All right.
Are ready to go.
Hmm.
I believe that aliens do in
fact have a future in
the development of low income
housing in San Diego.
However, we all know that there
are Band-Aid fixes to
the systemic issue of predatory
landlords and excessive rental
prices.
Yes, we have a supply supply
shortage but there is no way
that within the next five and
ten years that we're going to
be able to out build that
housing shortage.
Additional housing has no
utilitarian benefit.
If low income renters and
families can't even afford to
live in a shack in someone's
backyard, what we need to be
doing is taking power away from
the landlords who own the city
and redistribute it back to low
income families.
If we can now implement
traditional rent control to
keep these landlords in check
then at the very least we need
to increase landlord income
taxes on properties that are
going to be high luxury tax or
high rent luxury properties and
increase in taxes to this
economic class would encourage
lowering of rental prices.
>> If and only if this Council
is willing to enforce that.
Thank you for that concluding
comment.
Sage Gonzalez Spalding.
And then Julie Garson if you
can please come up to
the yellow reserved seats.
Please proceed.
Hi.
Thank you, Counsel.
I just wanted to say thank you
because without this program
that you all have implemented I
wouldn't have gotten to know
all of my neighbors and all of
these people who have stood up
with me and me with them to to
fight against this thing.
I really hope that you
implement the community
planning groups again because I
think that as a city we are so
large and so big that you
really need the communities to
be consistently together and
working to help all the things
And the unhoused for example,
you know we in Encanto we have
a lot of space.
Maybe we maybe we do something
interesting, right, to help
those people be able to live in
our communities anyway.
>> Julie Hello.
>> Please don't destroy San
Diego forever with this bad
experiment.
I urge you to vote no on
the bonus Adu program Max it
out at four four foot setback
one parking for Adu.
We need height limits.
But please, please.
San Diego is a beautiful place.
If you vote on this it will
destroy San Diego forever.
We'll never be able to take it
back.
Thank you for that concludes
public comment here in council
chambers I'm now going to
the remote participation.
We currently have 1819 speakers
with their hands raised.
Starting with Ryan o'Connell
you will have one minute.
>> Please proceed.
My name is Ryan o'Connell and
I'm calling in support of
the 15 proposed amendments to
implement state law especially
allowing aids to be sold to
starter homes in opposition
Under the amendments 14 through
22 and 24.
And I agree with everybody is
urge you to represent
the people who live in these
neighborhoods above special
interest like people like me.
How do you.
And to that end, when you build
17 units on a cul de sac,
the majority of the residents
of that cul de sac now live in
ag use.
These are real homes.
They're not monstrous.
They're modest duplexes.
And I have been able to visit
them and see some of that even
though I've never worked on a
project that size And I'm sure
the tpi example and other
speaker brought up earlier gave
some of y'all flashbacks
The process matters or this
stuff and you keep bringing it
back to council because of
procedural issues like that
Brown Act violation.
And the more time goes by
the more your voters are going
to be living in those
affordable bonus ads.
So consider directing staff to
find ways to improve
the infrastructure and transit
in those areas where they're
being entitled.
And thanks for all the hard
work on doing all this stuff
and weighing the important
things your time has concluded.
>> Patti if you can please
unmute Pat I can unmute for
you.
There you are.
You did unmute and then muted
again.
>> I'm sorry I can't limit for
you if you can I one have to
hold it down the whole time or
we can hear you now Please
proceed.
Well I just want to say I'm
distraught at facing the future
for my little cul de sac
community in Claremont.
Already our peace and quiet and
safety has been permanently
compromised by a 12 unit
apartment building being built
two doors from me where once a
single one storey family owned
home existed.
I tried to understand
the amendments but that was
like a water spout of acronym
acronyms and enormous detail.
So I'm unsure what exactly will
be allowed or disallowed in my
cul de sac.
Well the 12 unit apartments
going up be required to provide
12 off street parking spaces.
We are nowhere near a transit
center.
Well we have to face more use
on our already congested street
.
I believe bonus use should not
be allowed on cul de sacs and
accessory restricted
communities because of safety
concerns.
How do we know what are
the final decisions regarding
use on our specific addresses?
Well we have a way to find out.
One last comment The so-called
rent restrictions for
affordable housing are over
market rates $2,300 for a
studio.
Time has concluded.
My apologies, Sallie Small
Sallie Small?
>> Yep.
Finally showed up.
Thank you.
All righty.
Four means for pretty basic.
As it stands now, you know what
the people are thinking Granny
Flats and Casitas for our
family members.
Fine apartment buildings on cul
de sacs and fire zones not
close to transit.
Transit that's not currently
existing doesn't work without
parking available now No trees
needed, no need to notify or
consult your neighbors.
>> Consider community planning
groups if even your your
PRESIDENT Is not helping in
that area that he was part of
for eight new apartment
complexes and low income older
and bipoc communities by greedy
investors who have no cares
about the local situation for
the people the infrastructure,
the distance to jobs let alone
that they are in fires zones,
single lane access roads, cul
de sacs.
What more do you want?
Oh money.
That's all it is.
>> It's money.
Forget the communities.
Your time has concluded.
>> Dante, if you can please
unmute.
Good evening, Council members.
My name is Dante Goldman with
the San Diego Housing
Federation.
Since 1990 we have been
the voice for affordable
housing solutions and those who
develop affordable homes across
our region.
We support policies that
reverse our housing crisis
especially for our most
vulnerable community members.
The new homeowners program has
been a nationally recognized
success creating affordable
homes without dwindling public
subsidies.
We're in a housing emergency.
Now is not the time to
backpedal on what works.
Decades ago, missing little
housing like duplexes, areas
and courtyard apartments
provided naturally a core
naturally occurring form of
homes at moderate density.
But by the 1960s inclusionary
zoning took over pushing out
working families, banning
multi-unit housing and locking
in sprawl across much of San
Diego.
The A.D. Homebuyers program is
undoing that harm, allowing
modest low cost homes without
doing any public subsidies in
neighborhoods that once shut
them out.
They represent smart infill
growth that meets our climate
and mobility goals.
Any reforms amendments should
strengthen not weaken.
The real bonds program in this
crisis Need more solutions, not
fewer.
Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you.
The five minute timer has
included hearing council
chambers.
We have 19 speakers with their
hands up.
No additional speakers will be
taken after that.
Newell Boothe If you can please
unmute.
>> My name is Newell Booth.
i live in Elsa Brito.
Something that has not been
mentioned before I support
the fair is fair everywhere.
I do this because it changes
the incentives from large
numbers of ideas to larger
heads issues.
This will allow us to bring
families back in to the single
family neighborhood.
Thank you for your
consideration.
Please support for us Fair
everywhere.
Thank you Julie If you can
please unmute.
Julie Gilbert.
>> There you go.
Good afternoon Council members.
I'm Julie Gilbert Carley I'm a
fifth generation native San
Diego and and I'm asking you to
fully repeal the Adu home
density bonus program.
This program is turned single
family neighborhoods into
construction zones.
Developers are cramming in
multiple units on small lots
with no concern for parking
traffic.
And most of all community
impact.
The streets are overcrowded,
emergency access is compromised
and residents are being pushed
out by overdevelopment in their
own backyards.
This isn't smart growth It's a
giveaway to builders at
the expense of livability,
safety and neighborhood
integrity.
I support reasonable housing
solutions but this program is
not it.
Please repeal the Bonus adu
program and restore balance to
our communities.
Thank you.
>> Thank you.
Next is phone number ending.
Sorry.
Phone number ending in 69326932
If you can please unmute star
six.
I can on mute for you.
>> It is star six to unmute.
>> I will have to move on to
the next caller.
The original if you can please
unmute.
>> Isn't it great when page
shills like call in or even are
there and like you know put
their $0.02 in.
So interesting because you guys
should be taking this back to
the drawing board as opposed to
continuing down this path
making sure that you're are you
trying to give reasons for
people to actually leave San
Diego Because that seems to be
what you're doing if you guys
actually when you start hearing
you talk about you want to have
community input.
This probably would have been a
good idea to go to
the communities that you wanted
to put this in to make sure
that it was even something that
is feasible to happen because
what's happening is complete
chaos and you are literally
incentivizing by continuing
this for people to leave their
communities because as you've
heard the people talk about
it's actually ruining what they
moved into their communities
for And all it's doing is
creating a fire hazard and all
of this stuff like wouldn't it
be more logical if you guys
wanted to, you know, have
better air quality if you were
spread out?
>> Not densely populated but
whatever good timing is
concluded Nexus six 1672.
If you can please unmute.
Well I would like so many other
unpopular policies that this
board have passed regardless of
what the people want.
This to will pass.
Wake up.
This isn't about housing.
It's about control.
It's about stripping away
property rights under the guise
of progress and sustainability
all in lockstep with the U.N.
Agenda 21.
And for those who joined the No
Kings protest, you protest
the PRESIDENT While supporting
local politicians who truly
rule like King.
You keep defending a system
that does not defend you.
The proof is everywhere in this
county.
Anything the government touches
and claims to help becomes
worse all by design.
The vision destruction it's all
orchestrated to manufacture
chaos.
Then they offer solutions that
give them even more control
order through chaos.
That's how they operate.
Wake up again.
Their system is done.
It's corrupt, fraudulent and
beyond abusive.
I do not understand.
Neither should you.
I do not consent.
Neither should you.
And if you're wondering how
they sleep at night very
comfortably very compensated.
>> They've sold out.
Your time has concluded.
Blair Beckman, if you can
please unmute.
>> Blair Beckman I can mute for
you.
I will need to move on to
the next caller if you can
unmute.
>> Margaret.
Very similar If you can please
unmute.
>> Hi.
Good afternoon.
I am Margaret Verismo, former
planning board member,
community activist representing
San Diego.
Look around this room today
Almost every neighborhood from
San Diego is in this room.
Do you all forget you were once
voted in to your city rolls by
all these people to protect our
communities and be the voices
on the city council.
At one point these residents
trusted you.
Do your job and listen to us to
protect our communities.
You are all living or you're
all lying to San Diego at this
point because you're all not
listening to community
concerns.
Do the right thing for want to
listen to all of these people.
San Diego was once a beautiful
coastal skyline and now turning
into Skid Row because of all of
you and your bad decisions.
Let's protect what's left of
the nago, protect what's left
of our quality of life.
This whole housing crisis is a
big lie and we all know it.
It seems more and more like a
money grab developer scheme.
Plenty of high rises are empty
in San Diego because affordable
housing doesn't exist and won't
ever exist for anyone ever.
If a person wants affordable
housing you will need to move
to Texas, Nevada and Arizona.
Just like many San Diego have
done, you are all going to make
cost of living and your taxes
included during if you can
please on mute.
>> During the years during
the years tamisha I would
really hope and pray that we
could get five ethical people
of the council members that
would vote no and make
the Planning department do
their job and lose In 2000 of
these comments that we have
said we do not need to story
buildings beside one story It's
going to ruin our guard and
ruining our neighborhood.
>> Bonus 80 You is targeting
community These are concerns
that lack infrastructure, that
lack neighborhood pot and
someday if there is a fire in
one of these neighborhoods I
hope you all hold yourself
accountable for passing this
measure for is fair But we
would prefer that state law we
buy homes to live in single
family neighborhoods and you
without secret know about
the need of your time has
concluded.
>> Sorry Nicole if you can
please unmute Nicole Hello.
Hello my name is Nicole and I'm
the executive director of our
Time to Act Youth led
Nonprofit.
We're also in partnership with
the Coalition for Equitable
Development and I am a 22 year
old renter in District three.
I'm calling in today because
while some of these reforms
will meaningfully help better
the Bonus adu program, there
are several especially items
restricting the program's
efficacy either unit or if they
are caps that will
significantly harm San Diego's
renters.
The majority of comments given
today were given by privileged,
entitled and out of touch
homeowners.
These folks do not represent
the majority of us.
53% of San Diego are renters
and 57% of us are rent burdened
.
Youth are encouraged by
the reforms that increase
the number of rent restricted
units and introduce
homeownership opportunity.
But we are deeply concerned
with the items that will limit
the number of these units and
opportunities.
Single family zoning was
created to segregate info like
ideas help combat
the preservation of that
segregation.
I urge you to amend
the proposed reforms as
recommended by the letter sent
by the Coalition for Equitable
Development and do not accept
their proposed reforms as
presented to you today.
Thank you.
Next is Jeff If you can please
unmute.
Again as a reminder if you
raise your hand after the five
minute timer concluded we won't
be able to take your comments
but you can definitely email
them in the city Clerk at San
diego.Gov and they will get
distributed.
>> Please proceed to.
>> Yeah hi.
The real name of this mess is
the developer bonus or how do
they rule on San Diego County
Council member in favor of this
is obviously being influenced
by developer money.
That's how the game is playing
.
Can't you tell you're not being
right you're not representing
us?
Also how can council ignore it
is being built at the top of a
virgin steep canyon.
This so-called bonus mess is
bad for all communities not
just don't put neighbors
against neighbors please.
Developers will build where
they can make a profit.
That's simple Save San Diego,
please.
We can't go on like this.
Obviously this isn't working.
You've heard enough today.
Please vote your heart.
Vote for us here in San Diego
that are your petty neighbors
against neighbors And it's just
shouldn't be that way.
>> It's bad for all of us.
Please.
Thank you.
Next slide.
So if you can please unmute.
So there you go.
>> Please stand and council
members I'm Saad Assad and I'm
a neighbor who is happy to
welcome more neighbors.
I first want to thank city
staff for tackling one of our
toughest challenges bouncing
our obvious housing needs with
longtime homeowner concerns.
The reality we're facing
Sobering meaning home prices
have jumped past few years from
$630,000 to a million while
the average rent exceeds
$3,000.
That means you need something
like four times the city's
minimum wage just to afford
rent And you can't have a real
quality of life when housing
consumes half your income or
forces our long commutes.
The Bonus aew program has
created nearly 900 homes which
reduces competition for
existing homes And it adds
these homes in neighborhoods
where the admission price enter
is $180,000 downpayment.
Unlike other housing program,
this one specifically focuses
on bringing smaller affordable
homes There is dominated by
large expensive houses.
Thousands of San Diegans simply
need a place to live near their
jobs and the pros program
delivers exactly that.
I urge you to preserve it.
Thank you James If you can
please unmute James.
There you go.
>> You are in muted but we do
not hear you here in council
chambers.
I'm not sure of the device that
you're speaking in to maybe
muted.
James Black I'll give you a
second to deal with any
technical difficulties.
We did not hear you here in
council chambers.
I will need to move on to
the next caller Norton if you
can please unmute Katherine
Douglas or is fair everywhere
throughout the city except
mission Beach which is have
zero additional ada use
unbridled built.
>> She ceded her time earlier
today thank you council
PRESIDENT For catching that you
had ceded your time earlier
today Billy if you can please
unmute.
>> Okay I, I just want to tell
the city council that you know,
just stick with your plan.
I know it's really hard working
with you know, these people
like the neighborhood planning
Committee who get voted in by a
few dozen votes not by 10,000
people.
I never thought about that
except the Downtown Planning
Commission downtown planning
group which is quote unquote
owned by the developers.
You know, that's the only group
that actually follows
the rules.
So it's really hard for you
guys to work.
But you know, I hope you do
your best And you know, it's
just really hard to talk about.
It's just really hard for me to
believe that you got to talk
about community character when
groups like Encanto Community
Planning Group are, you know,
bought to 57% of their homes
and there are as one two zones
not comply with zoning
restrictions by opposing
the footnote I just find it
really hard for me for people
to trust them and I hope
the city council does do their
best.
>> Next there's one number
ending in 3856 if you can
please unmute 3856 Carol this
is Carol and I'm with Julie.
I request that you fully repeal
the adu program and start over
Zoning matters It creates
orderly development of
neighborhoods.
Public input is essential.
There are two slides housing
crisis and climate change and
the Rob people their private
property owner separate things
to be what the goal is.
I'm in favor of photography
entities That means I do not
agree with forth there When you
buy a home and a single family
residential neighborhood that
buyer pays more to live in that
area.
Why?
Because it's more desirable You
typically have more space, more
sunlight, more privacy and less
parking issues and lower
density.
They pay more for this.
This is a taking Without
compensation The community
input should be required.
>> Thank you, Melanie Kahn If
you can please unmute.
>> Milliken Yeah, This is
Melanie Cohen with Viacom,
California.
The 80 new program is producing
needed units for the city's
life science workforce units
that are attainable for middle
income workers who make a good
wage but can't afford luxury
apartments or to purchase a
single family home.
We know the amendments proposed
will lower the rate of housing
that's built and similar to
the Chambers comments we want
to know what next steps
the city is going to take to
house our workforce to attract
and retain live science
employees.
Contrary to some comments, San
Diego is actually producing 80
use at a lower rate per capita
than other markets such as Los
Angeles, Long Beach and most
other cities in this region.
We support building homes for
the city's workforce and this
is one of the only programs
the city has to restrict units
to moderate income in order to
do that.
So we support building those
homes for the life science
community.
Thank you.
Next is Rob.
If you can please mute Rob clap
us.
Hello, my name is Robert
Clubhouse and I am a homeowner
in Rolando Park in San Diego.
I moved to San Diego 25 years
ago and I rented I rented
apartments throughout the city
and I know the rents have gone
up significantly And I heard
somebody comment earlier that
I'm a privileged homeowner.
I am not a privilege homeowner.
I saved my money, I worked hard
and I did what I had to do to
own a home.
Right now this bonus program is
taking all of these entry level
homes off the market.
It was such a struggle for us
to find this house but we found
it and me and my partner bought
this house with our hard earned
money And you guys are taking
all these homes away from
people that are working hard to
try to save up and buy a house
but they can't buy it because
the developers are buying
the rest of our affordable
houses left in San Diego that
people can buy to build these
massive adu structures.
I am opposed to all the 80
years in the city and I hope
you guys will do something to
make this more reasonable so
that we can have some more
responsible development in our
city and not this Your time has
concluded 4580 If you can
please unmute 4580 I can unmute
for you If you can't unmute
then I'll have to move on to
our next speaker.
Hello.
Yes, please proceed.
This is Peggy Pink.
Oh thank you.
I am interested in the comments
that we're told While this 80
thing was passed during covid,
I was living in Shanghai during
the shutdown.
We have a home here in our
house and the proposal of those
people that are saying I get
life science problems here are
in the life science business.
I get that you need housing.
The problem is to mandate that
what you're looking for is a
city a city with highrises,
with tiny apartments.
So you have people that live
there.
It's not a solution.
It's not a good solution.
San Diego has single family
home Poor reason.
It's to let our community pride
let families try.
Yes.
Well, they'll be young.
Single, Yes.
But they can move up the chain
just like the rest of us did or
entire life to be able to
afford one.
Please repeal the you.
Please make that change.
Stop the 15 minute city,
please.
Thank you.
Your time is concluded 6932 If
you can please unmute.
Hello.
>> Please proceed.
>> Yeah.
This is Scott, a homeowner in
Amityville Almeida 90 114 is
the area code.
I'm calling to say that the 30
plus unit so called 82 project
that I just recently literally
found out about yesterday when
somebody was walking through
knocking on doors and talking
to neighbors let us know that
they were building this absurd
structure right down the street
from our house and they're not
building housing.
>> It looks like they're
cramming in low income
micro-sized dorms or hotel
rooms in somebody's backyard.
It's pretending that it's
progress.
It's definitely not It's pretty
clear it's not.
It's a back door apartment
complex with zero input from
the people that actually live
here the single family
neighborhood and not a test
site for woke urban planning
experiments.
We didn't sign up to have
transient tenants walking past
their homes every day because
some developer found a loophole
to make money.
Man you're taking our property
values.
You're going to overwhelm our
infrastructure here and you're
basically telling all of
the long term homeowners here
that we don't matter anymore.
>> Your time has concluded.
Gabriel Weaver Or if you can
please unmute.
>> Hi my name is Gabriel and
I'm a renter.
I'm also car free.
I oppose these reforms to
the 80 bonus program.
However I do support allowing
separate sales to completely
eliminate this program from
neighborhoods zoned for low
density which just so happens
to be some of the most
desirable neighborhoods that
have a history of racial
exclusion would be a complete
pivot back toward classist and
racist covenants.
The community, by the way,
enforce those old covenants.
So the coded language that was
used to deny people access to
housing has changed But
the tactics certainly remain.
To be honest, as much as I as
community input is an important
democratic principle you can
look at history to see where
politically popular movements
need it to happen In spite of
the outrage sparked by people
who fear change.
This past weekend we saw 60,000
plus people MARCH in
the streets to fight for their
neighbors right to be here.
Well, that also means fighting
for the right to have stable
high quality housing areas
where they work, housing in
areas where there is work
housing and high resource areas
near transit.
And I encourage you to continue
supporting a new development in
San Diego.
Thank you.
1672.
Your last speaker 1672.
Please unmute.
Are we on an agenda?
>> No this is still item 2o2.
If you'd like to speak for an
on agenda you can raise your
hand after.
Thank you.
Just for the record we did
receive 20 web comment forms in
favor and 699 in opposition and
those were distributed to
the council.
Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.
That concludes public comment
on item 202.
>> All right.
Thank you.
City Clerk.
>> Let's give her a round of
applause.
She did a great job at and all
her staff as well of course as
include all that So okay.
And please don't tell anybody
that I allowed all that
clapping all afternoon.
I'm not supposed to do that.
But you were respectful in
the way you did it and it
didn't interrupt people having
to speak.
I'm going to make a couple of
comments at the beginning but
I'm going to turn over to
the chair of our land Use and
Housing Committee.
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee.
So one one of the things that I
heard from the public and I've
heard from others and so I'm
going to ask our city
attorney's office I think
the council would be benefit
from a legal opinion whether or
not in fact we have any options
to shut down a and an
application that's on file that
has been deemed complete or
even a permit that's been
issued.
I'm very skeptical that we can
but clearly what we're hearing
from a lot of folks is not
necessarily the focus on what
the ordinance in front of us
today is but what they've seen
happening in their neighborhood
or what is currently being
allowed under the existing
ordinance.
So I don't want to put you on
the spot and ask you to opine
on that but if you could get
back to the council I think it
would be benefit Again, I'm a
little skeptical on that.
>> At the risk of freaking you
out if I've heard the number
for a lot I want to talk about
the number five or just wait.
It takes five votes to actually
take some action tonight.
There's nine of us.
Five is what the majority is If
folks don't like what's on
the table and we get five no's,
we're stuck with the ordinance
as it exists today and it gives
more opportunity for developers
to take advantage of the way
the ordinance is written.
So I would ask my colleagues to
think carefully about that.
In contrast, just five that
goes out actually limit or
interject.
For those of you who thought
the oecd letter that came out
on Friday morning was to your
advantage, I want to disabuse
you of that idea.
It was not it is the single
biggest challenge we have to
rightsize things for San Diego.
I want to think someone's going
to get mad at me because they
said this was a terrible thing
to say But I want to thank
the mayor's office and
the planning department who
spent a lot of time with each
city before things actually got
brought forward And then out of
the blue this letter comes out
on Friday morning coffee on
the side of shift.
But what hd said works against
what you claim or what you say
you want.
So I'm also going to highlight
that five votes that push this
ordinance too far the other way
might make you feel good
tonight but hd is going to come
and slap us down and make us do
this all over again.
I have lost too many battles
with the Coastal Commission
that has come back to bite us.
So there is that sweet spot.
I don't know where that sweet
spot is looking to my
colleagues to bring that
forward but that's
the challenge How do we get to
five that supports in ordinance
language that still complies
with eight CCDs mandates and
interpretation?
So anyway okay get off my my
teacher mode and turn it over
to again the chair of our land
Use and Housing Committee.
>> Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem
Lee Thank you Council PRESIDENT
An eye to whether folks might
be upset about it will take a
moment to thank our city
planning department for their
work on this item because again
we're here today because of
the amendments that need to be
made to the program and it's
taking a significant amount of
work to bring this forward but
also to do it in the timeline
that this council had asked
for.
We don't talk about it a little
bit later each time we have
these discussions.
I think it's critical to state
the fact that we continue to
face a housing crisis and if
anyone follows these
discussions that same notion is
reflected in every major city
in this country as the cost of
housing has far outpaced
the rise of incomes in most of
this country including in San
Diego.
And that's the that's a simple
fact People cannot afford
the housing that they would
like to live in.
Of course San Diego
unfortunately is already well
known to be one of the most
unaffordable cities in
the nation.
I know some individuals today
have remarked how incredulous
they believe that the moderate
income option at a deed
restriction at 110% of
the average median income in
San Diego means that rent would
be set at $2,300 or more.
I'm not sure how to break it to
folks but if you look at any
recent report that shows rental
rates in San Diego, the average
rental rate for an apartment in
this region is $3,000 if not
more.
And in in many high resource
areas it is far higher than
that and that is again also a
reality We used to talk about
housing being a challenge for
low income employees, students
or fixed income seniors.
That is all still true but
the reality now is that housing
has become a challenge for
everyone who doesn't already
own a home.
The fact that it requires an
average income of $250,000 a
year to purchase a home in
the city means that it's
impossible for the vast
majority of those people who
want to work in San Diego to
buy a home in San Diego.
Look, I think the council
PRESIDENT Noted this for a
moment but many folks today and
i hear you you have expressed
an opposition to the item that
here today And I too reflect
that the opposition that you're
sharing is not necessarily to
this item and what it's being
presented but to the program as
a whole.
But I think it's okay to
recognize that.
But I do think that there is a
stark difference because as
the council PRESIDENT Noted,
the item today is a set of
reforms to bring much needed
restrictions to the Bonus to
You program as it currently
exists which as of today is
still unlimited with no caps
whatsoever and open to many of
the projects that folks have
come to us and complained about
here in the past And
unfortunately still projects
that are underway at
the moment.
The reason why we pushed so
heavily for this 90 day window
for an item to come back is
because every single day this
item and a lack of any action
sits out in the public means
another day that additional
permits will be submitted.
And so yes, an individual like
many of you pointed out from
crt would probably take
the opportunity to rush every
possible permit in at this
juncture.
That's why the timeline has
been as tight as it is.
So for those who have suggested
that we vote no today or that
we delay it for another future
time, I think that would be a
severe mistake.
We MAY not agree on
the ultimate resolution here
today And frankly I'm just as
curious as you all are as to
where all of my colleagues
might land.
I said from the very beginning
when this item first came up in
JANUARY that there are going to
be folks in the room who are
single edu at a house next door
to them That's two stories is
already too much Already heard
that plenty of times in my own
community I think we have all
agreed that many of
the projects that we have seen
that have become the example of
the problem of the unlimited
nature of this program are
problems Now where that number
is set I think is literally
what's going to be different
for every single person If I
thought in working with
planning to try to bring
reforms to the table to come up
with a way to scale based on
lot size because of that very
problem because the unlimited
nature I think is too much.
There are going to be folks
from an industry standpoint
that we heard from today that
are going to say that this
program is now way too
restrictive and that it should
be opened up significantly
more.
But we've had a lengthy
discussion at the land use and
housing Committee that's
brought us to this point and
the changes I believe are
necessary and they're going to
happen.
The 80 density bonus program is
not the only item and I'll take
my three minutes now and hope I
don't need more but we'll see.
The 80 density bonus program is
not the only item that's on
discussion for today.
There are a number of items
that are presented as part of
this package that are an
implementation of state law
relating to it to use
the existing as they are
already.
There's also an item in this
package that I think has been
overlooked I mentioned this
that the Land Use and Housing
Committee but item 23 is
the local implementation of
Assembly Bill 1033 which passed
in 2023 And I do believe that
that is actually one positive
item that we have been hopeful
to see come to fruition because
it is the opportunity that
allows for more home ownership
by taking adus that are not
part of the density bonus
program and allowing them for
convenience or for sale as
homeownership opportunities.
I do believe that 1033 does
make it easier for working
class folks to consider a
starter home by taking some of
the individual ideas that have
been built over time and
allowing those for sale.
I do also want to thank staff
for making a couple of
additional amendments.
One of the ones that we had
discussed that was in put it
especially after the letter
from cd was recognizing that
the elimination of low density
residential zones that we had
put in place from the first
time the second time this was
heard at Council that's
the s1-1 through 1-4 and 1-8
through 11 zones that that
limitation as media and others
have pointed out had other
implications that eliminated
significant numbers of high
resource areas within
the community.
And so I do appreciate that
amendment.
I actually think in my opinion
goes a long ways to address
some of the concerns that hcc
has brought up but we won't
know until it's actually passed
and put forward to them.
I will also note that that
amendment I still very much
stand by especially when it
comes to low resource
communities because a lot of
this conversation started with
members of the cancer community
coming out and the objective of
that portion of the amendment
is to eliminate it's used in
almost all of Encanto and to
eliminate the possibility that
that concentrates this kind of
development in lower resource
neighborhoods.
My intent with reforming this
program has always been to
ensure that we close
the existing loopholes and that
we put other common sense
measures into place And that is
where I think the long list of
recommendations that city
planning put together initially
we're all glad to see here
the addition of considerations
for fire high fire severity
zones, the elimination of cul
de sacs which I will note I
walked a couple of streets with
my own neighbors in University
City looking at two projects
that had already been in
the pipeline one which would
not be possible with any of
these amendments
The development scale to limit
and eliminate the unlimited
nature of the program as it
exists today Because even if we
can disagree it where there's a
PRESIDENT I'm happy to
contribute my three minutes to
council PRESIDENT Pro tem even
we can disagree as to where
the limitations are for what's
acceptable.
I think everyone in this room
seems to agree that a 20 a 50
or 150 or a 750 unit project is
not what was ever intended.
So at the end of the day I do
believe that ideas are not part
of the silver bullet of solving
housing but they have been
proven to add additional
housing and we are still in an
environment where that housing
is desperately needed.
I look every day in our
community where we hear and we
get pleas from residents who
are desperate to find anything
that allows them to stay in San
Diego and their kids to stay in
school.
And in many of those cases they
ask for a backyard apartment if
that's what's necessary or room
to share.
Those are the limits that
they've got within
the expensive housing that we
have in San Diego.
So all that is to say I'm sure
there's going to be a lot more
to this conversation today but
I'm going to start today by
thanking again City planning
for putting together all
the recommendations that you
have listed.
I'm going to make a motion to
adopt the staff's
recommendation as presented
with all of these additional
restrictions in place to again
rein in this program further.
And I look forward to hearing
from my colleagues on
the conversation.
>> Thank you.
All right.
Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee
We have a motion to move
the staff recommendation and
I'm going to jump in here and
see if I can reach to a second
with being open to other
amendments by Council members.
I'm actually one that I think
it's I hope there's some
agreement actually forget all
that.
I'm sorry.
I'm getting tired.
Thank you for the public Four
hours of testimony here.
We'll see if I can keep my my
head together.
I want to start out by thanking
Council member Foster We would
not be here if he didn't take
what were at the time what's
kind of an outrageous statement
that kind of kicked off this
conversation And the biggest
thing we struggle is as you've
heard and you will continue to
hear when we trigger these
kinds of changes it sends a red
flag up and developers just say
I've got a window to do
something Under the old rules
and it's just an unfortunate
part of the transition.
So thank you to Councilmember
Foster and his office.
As others have said, attitude
is part of our housing
solution.
It is not the only part of our
solutions but it doesn't mean
that it shouldn't be right size
And I think we've seen very,
very ugly and unfortunate
examples of where what could
have been and a good program
gone horribly, horribly awry.
And again that's that's why
we're here And to the media
these aren't the mayor's
reforms.
These are the reforms that we
are pushing forward are in
concert with city planning.
So stop yelling at the mayor,
yell at us because we're taking
ownership of this now And if
you don't like it you can blame
us for it.
So I'm going to introduce some
amendments and then certainly
as we see if my colleagues
agree actually the council
PRESIDENT Pro tem will start
that off And I think there's
some things that we're going to
distribute maybe So in
listening I'm a little bit
wonky so I'm going to apologize
in advance listening to both
sides those that are absolutely
against it and those are
absolutely for it.
I actually found some middle
ground in all of that and so
that's where I'm going to make
a couple of amendments.
One of the things that I cannot
stand is the possibility that
we provide affordability based
on the square footage because
that income restriction is
based on bedrooms, not on
square footage.
So you get to charge as much
for a one bedroom, 150 square
foot as you do for a 450 square
foot, one bedroom.
I think it makes sense in some
world But the idea that we
would encourage 150 square foot
micro units doesn't make any
sense especially if we're going
to be allowing them to sell.
So what I heard is consistency
about the right sizing of
the units And so my First
Amendment is to actually impose
a minimum gross floor area And
as council PRESIDENT I'm going
to give myself more time.
So to make sure that we
actually get units and
hopefully more bedrooms to suit
families that are looking for
actually good sized with that
there's lots of places to
councilmembers Well that I
think just okay okay The second
proposal was introduced in
the staff report on page 12.
It's an additional option was
also referred to as a proposed
enhancement on Slide 28 which
is called a moderate income.
Adu If you want to use a
moderate income for your bonus,
the bonus one has to be a
moderate income.
And what I have heard again
from pro housing folks I think
Viacom talked about it
circulate talked about it and
some of you talked about it
let's actually make this
affordable for moderate income
folks even though 110% is kind
of a crazy number these days.
So taking advantage of the work
that the city Planning
department did the next two are
a little bit wonky.
One is to modify 141 0302d1b to
make sure that people
understand that if you're in
the sustainable development
area that there actually is a
max because you have to go
through 20 pages to find out
that there is a max, we'd like
to bring it up front going
forward.
By the way, four of us voted
against sustainable development
areas back in the day.
Just want to throw that in And
the last one is given
the city's trash fee which I
know a lot of people hate,
the city is cracking down If
you have five units you're not
going to get city services.
I want to put that actually
into the U.S. So people are
aware that if you go to five
units or more you're not
getting city services.
You have to go to a private
hauler.
I think it's just good practice
to actually highlight that
upfront.
So to my colleague who made
the motion to adopt the city's
the staff recommendation, I put
four amendments in front of
you.
I think they're good strong
amendments.
I heard from both sides
the importance of the minimum
gross floor area as well as
the moderate income to really
ratchet up our moderate income
and meet our arena numbers.
I'm going to put you on
the spot for sure.
>> I will address these each
individually if you don't mind
just looking at them.
One is that we actually had a
pretty significant amount of
discussion in the Land Use and
Housing Committee about
the minimum unit size and one
of the parts of that discussion
was recognizing that the moment
we put an actual cap on
the number of units that that
would de facto basically limit
or encourage maximizing the use
of the square footage that is
available and therefore
the minimum unit size was not
necessary.
I agree with you that frankly
it's not it doesn't make sense
to build smaller units.
But I also don't think that
someone building a 200 square
foot unit would get rent
the same way that they would
get building a 700 square foot
unit And so to that I think
frankly my hope is that by
limiting the number of units we
do actually get more units that
meet the 2 or 3 bedroom
category that the city has long
been missing and that would be
an opportunity to do that.
I just don't think the extra
complexity that is added in
here stipulating all
the different sizes is a
necessary amendment given
the effort that we went through
to move through that As
regarding to the moderate
income density bonus again this
is one where to be frank I
think we all just heard from
the audience moderate income at
the at the 101 is at $30,000
right now That's the median
income for a family of four in
San Diego.
That means that the moderate
income for a unit is extremely
high.
And so I don't know that adding
an additional restriction on
that will actually accomplish
anything when in reality
the units are already going to
be above what people deemed to
be affordable.
Number three I'm actually not
quite familiar with the this
section here so I might have to
look into this further and can
consider it But it's in it's in
the same area section of
the policy And so I would
presume that if it's already
limited in Section d four that
it doesn't need to be outlined
in section d1b And then finally
my hesitation for the adding
the additional language
regarding the waste collection
is that that is already what is
written in our updated charter
language as a result of metric
b and also outlined as a result
of the policy that we passed
last week.
I mean from a frank practical
standpoint I think adding
repetitive language in
different areas within city
code only makes it more
complicated if any one item
needs to be changed.
So I have to point out I'll
certainly be open to hearing
from my colleagues but at
the moment I'm going to
respectfully decline all four
amendments.
>> That's not a nice thing to
do to your council PRESIDENT.
I know it MAY not fly but
perhaps we'll see what other
language my colleagues come up
with.
I still feel pretty strongly
about number one and number two
what I heard but I'm not going
to belabor that argument here
So we'll go next to
Councilmember Ella Rivera.
All right.
Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.
I'll start by thanking all
the members of the public who
participated in
the conversation not just today
but over time.
>> I say there's some things
that I think we all many of us
share I won't say all because
it's a big city with many
opinions.
Certainly the frustration
around affordability is housing
too expensive in San Diego,
it's too expensive in
California and increasingly
it's too expensive across
the country.
What I will continue to say
though is I don't think that
folks who have owned a home for
a very long time understand
what it's been like to be a
renter and what is not
affordable might still be more
affordable than what other
options exist now.
All right.
You've been really good.
Let's kind of keep it up Thumbs
down if you don't like what
you're hearing.
But so to that point I don't
think there's anyone who's been
more vocal about expanding
tenant protections and pushing
back on landlords And I'll be
quite frank a lot of the folks
that I see here we're not
they're engaged in those
conversations.
We can do much more to protect
renters.
We can do much more to
strengthen tenant protections
And I hope to see your
solidarity when we bring those
efforts forward again in
the future If we do, there also
is an agreement that change
needs to be made.
We've seen exploitation of this
program egregious examples that
failure to agree egregious
examples of people exploiting
the program, disrespecting
neighbors and neighborhoods I
don't think any of us are okay
with that And clearly there was
a failure to account for
the impacts on neighborhoods
that have been long neglected
by the city like Encanto who
never had decent infrastructure
to begin with, let alone
the infrastructure to support
additional density.
That being said, there's a lot
today that I have heard that
has been concerning.
I saw people oppose the simple
request to make 80 use
available for sale so that
hardworking students we had two
law students who stood in this
in these chambers and said that
I would one day like to own a
home in the city of San Diego
and asked to see a future to do
that.
And I saw those same thumbs go
down and those same heads shake
And that is extremely
unfortunate because what that's
telling me is that folks are
pulling up the ladder after
they've made it out from from
the bottom and I will never
support that.
>> I've also heard folks refer
to Shawn just I'm just keep it
down.
You don't like it thumbs down
That conveys the message.
>> Thank you.
I appreciate it.
Can support it Also say this is
nothing new.
This is generally the response
that we get when we support
more housing and I won't be
deterred from advocating for
that in these chambers just
like I won't in
the neighborhoods.
I did that during my reelection
and I did quite well.
So I'm very competent to stand
on that in this room.
I also heard attacks on our
planning department hardworking
staff who have an incredibly
difficult job of creating more
housing and one of the most
strict and challenging
regulatory environments in
the country if not the most.
And so you MAY not like
the product that they produce
but questioning the motives or
the work ethic I think is
unacceptable.
And I apologize that you all
had to hear that because you
are good public servants who
show up every day to do your
jobs And I know you have a
whole team that supports that
work and I appreciate you for
doing that.
I also heard Holmes once
referred to as a plague and
another time referred to as
viruses 80 user homes.
You MAY not like that style of
housing but they are homes And
in those homes with people
people who are trying to get by
.
So words like plagues and
viruses to describe housing
that people are living in I
will not you will never
persuade me with language like
that Folks deserve a place to
live.
It's the basic foundation for
life, for opportunity And there
is no future in this city if
people do not believe that
they'll be able to afford to
live here so we can oppose
the exploitation of the program
and still not refer to housing
as a plague or as a virus.
Apartments and condos, our
homes and I will just share a
personal anecdote anecdote here
My step up from my family was a
step up into an apartment a
bigger apartment that was in a
single family neighborhood And
then our first homeowner show
Opportunity was is a condo
again in what is largely a
single family neighborhood.
Those opportunities were life
changing for me and my wife and
my son And I am deeply, deeply
appreciative that they exist
And I know that there are tens
of thousands hundreds of
thousands of San Diegans who
are looking for opportunities
like that as well.
So with that in mind I see what
staff has worked on is a
compromise that will no longer
be legal.
The worst examples that you
showed will no longer be legal
legal and that is why I support
the staff recommendation On
the second day of the motion.
All right.
We have a motion by Council
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee and a
second by council member Eli
Rivera to move the staff
recommendation And we'll go
next to Councilmember Bond.
Wolpert Thank you everyone.
Thanks for your work.
I appreciate you for working
for the City of Public Services
and I appreciate that
the public here thank you for
coming in today.
There's a reason that many of
us marched in the streets to
protect this kind of dialog
The year the council PRESIDENT
For trying to run these
meetings and you've been doing
this for a couple of days
straight now so I appreciate
you as well.
I also do I know the folks in
the planning department had
the intent to try and provide,
you know, more housing that's
accessible for folks And what
we're seeing and all these
pictures is not what was
intended and is completely
egregious And I cannot believe
it happened.
I mean I grew up here and I
understand that there are tiny,
tiny, tiny streets where you
can barely fit cars through And
now we're going to have people
parking there anywhere in my
district and d five if you go
to any multifamily housing
which I live in you'll see cars
parked up along the streets
because people are now parking
in to our apartments, to our
houses for sharing houses
because they're so expensive
And so we need the street
parking.
The residents who already live
there are already using
the street parking which made
it very awkward when a bike
lane came in overnight and took
away parking from my residence
.
We need bike lanes just not in
the wrong places so I'm
supportive of the reforms in
this package to bring it back.
I do have some questions though
especially when it comes to
the high fire severity zones.
I mean that's something we've
spoken about quite a bit And
this letter from hpd to be
honest a wild I mean I've been
a practicing lawyer for over a
decade.
I have never seen this.
It's not even final.
It doesn't really contain a lot
of legal analysis.
I assumed it would have.
And also isn't the bonus
program a voluntary program
that we opted into?
So how are they now threatening
that we're not going to meet
our housing element if it's
something we opted into
voluntarily, why can't we
voluntarily repeal it?
Yeah, you guys don't work for
hpd but I'm just wondering why
this has come down this way.
Well, good evening.
I don't want to speculate on
the motivations from a State
Department.
Our staff has met with each
city a couple of times.
We had received some
preliminary feedback from each
city that we had incorporated
into staff's proposal.
We were not aware that an
additional letter would be sent
to us.
We nonetheless received that on
Friday.
So we have worked very
diligently since that time to
provide the response that we
provided to Council on Saturday
evening with our responses to
the City letter.
But if you have any more
specific questions we're happy
to answer them as best we can
understanding that we are not
hpd and we will have to have
further many further
conversations with the agency
as we move forward to ensure
that the city remains with a
housing element that's in
compliance as determined by
each city.
>> Understood.
And I want us to be in
compliance.
I'm just quite shocked that
something that wasn't required
of us that we voluntarily chose
Why would we be out of
compliance?
Okay.
I do have a question about
the fire setback.
So the proposal that your
department had brought forward
which I agreed with was that in
high a very high fire severity
zones we would be maintaining a
minimum setback of five feet
which aligns with and with
state law.
It's ab 307 forward for zone
zero law that a lot of my
residents have been putting a
lot of money into cutting down
trees pergolas moving things
off of their property so they
can have the five feet of
clearance.
They didn't want to do these
things but they knew when their
insurance companies were coming
and they were getting discounts
for this so why would we then
thwart all those efforts and
allow for fee for you to use?
>> So as you're aware, when we
originally proposed these
amendments at the Planning
Commission as well as the Land
Use and Housing Committee, we
had proposed those with five
foot setbacks.
Those were proposed to be
consistent with what you've
mentioned regarding the five
feet of defensible space.
The challenge for us is that
the planning and zoning law in
the Government code specifies a
maximum of four foot setbacks
that the city can require based
off of the previous letter that
we had from eight cd That was
before last Friday's letter
They had told us in what I
believed to be more firm terms
than a lot of the statements
they made in their Friday
letter that we would be out of
compliance with a new law if we
had that five foot setback in
their Our clarifications do
still allow for the fire
official to require five feet
or greater to ensure compliance
with the fire code So that's
the language that has been
proposed here is that it's four
feet or greater as determined
by the fire official.
I do anticipate that during
the fire reviews the fire
officials will be determining
that additional setbacks are
required to meet that
defensible space requirement.
But the feedback that we had
received with from each cda was
to remove that from our land
development code.
So in my opinion it makes it
more complicated.
It would be nice to be able to
have our land development could
be up front and provide
certainty on what those
setbacks look like rather than
having to wait to go into a
fire review process.
However, I did not feel that it
was worth the risk to submit
the ordinance to each city
given that they had in writing
provided us with that feedback
that got it within Why don't we
write back to hpd and ask them
if they're going to pay our
increased insurance premiums?
>> Um, I mean and that we would
be in violation of state law.
My residents have invested a
lot of money preparing their
houses for Zone zero and it's
just kind of a slap in the face
to them that we you know and I
understand that it's not your
fault but we why if we have to
comply with a state law, why
don't we comply with the fire
state law?
So I'd prefer we put that back
in here to be honest.
So proposal is not to not
comply with the fire state law.
It's to identify the setback
requirement that is set forth
in the government code while
allowing for the fire official
to comply with state law that
requires for defensible space.
I understand that it is
frustrating and overly
bureaucratic but that is what
we have to work with from
the state.
Okay I if I would prefer they
came down consistent as well
For what it's worth all right.
We have more questions about
parking.
We're going to require
developers to provide parking
now right?
That is correct.
Under the proposal outside of
the transit priority area we
are proposing in these
regulations that additional
parking be required.
We are prohibited under state
law which is referred to as ab
2097 from imposing parking
requirements on a wide variety
of development projects that
are located within a transit
priority area.
>> So are these amendments
going as far as we can and
requiring off street parking
and under law in terms of
the areas that we're applying
into we did propose them to
apply on all areas that are not
otherwise prohibited by
the state law under ab 2097.
Okay.
So what if there's a cold
attacked by neighbors for
better San Diego showed but you
can't actually get to
the transit unless you walk
around the freeway.
So we we did have this
discussion because the city
council did adopt what was
brought forward for the count
for the city's adoption of ab
nine 2097 And there was
the discussion of the walking
distance versus as the crow
flies.
The challenge that we have is
that where the state
legislature has identified in
other portions of
the government code where they
have intended to it for it to
be limited to walking distance
they have so stated that
whereas in ab 2097 the language
has just specified the half
mile distance which we haven't
felt like we can interpret to
be a walking distance given
that the legislature has
specified otherwise in other
sections such as sb nine I will
defer to the city Attorney's
office for any additional
opinions on that matter.
>> Okay then um it sounds like
we're kind of confined by a lot
of the things the state is
bringing down on us And I mean
I think having an edu or 2 or 3
a four is it?
Hey did your private property
if you want to have a couple of
to use that's fine but if you
want to have an apartment
building then you should have
been zoned for an apartment
building So I know I appreciate
we're trying to manage
the meeting.
>> I'm trying to support my
council PRESIDENT Here so why
don't we do I'd like to put an
amendment out and I have no
idea how to do this but the for
for everyone I think it should
be for everywhere.
That's what the cpc recommended
as well in their letter and
congratulation is by the way
the descriptions platting
chairs the new chair the cpc
Victoria approves the way we
appreciate her service so I
would rather do that because
that might limit some of
the parking issues and other
things that we can't deal with
because of state law.
So I would put forth an
amendment to my colleagues to
make it for everywhere.
>> Thank you.
>> I don't know where in
the code to do that exactly.
>> So City Tree might have to
help me craft that amendment.
Okay.
As it stands I believe that's a
friendly amendment amendment
that's been offered to the I'm
pretty friendly so well so
the maker of the motion in a
second since we do make sense
with the four because I don't
have language for it I just I
know that that's would be
requested of folks Yeah I don't
know that that's necessarily
drafted up in any way because I
feel like everyone has
different numbers that have
been tossed around.
I've continued to stick with
the developing skill that has
been presented by staff that
does range based on size and so
if a customer would like to
pursue that I'm sure you can
continue that in the typical
amendment fashion Maybe
the city attorney can help with
Table 140 1.-03a The maximum
number of permitted to use and
to use on single dwelling lots
So no matter the square footage
it would be for across
the board.
>> Okay I mean I can work on
putting that together and then
run it by your staff.
Is that would you would like I
would be has to be in writing
So yes I just feel bad if
you're going to do all that
work if you could we take a
vote or I don't know it's up to
you but that's what I'd prefer
to do Exactly right.
>> I think if it's a friendly
amendment I think the maker of
the motion understands it
enough We could figure out
where we'd go.
>> But if it's a friendly
amendment I didn't think it was
a friendly amendment.
So if if you'd like to move it
forward as a separate amendment
that's fine.
>> Sure.
I would put forward a
substitute motion then for
staff recommendation but make
that amendment that it's for
everywhere.
All right.
Get a second.
Great.
If I don't and I'll go down.
>> So again so that's a
substitute motion.
>> You just want to vote on
the amendment or do you want to
I think you just want a vote on
the amendment that would then
we could do that to the staff.
Yeah because it's basically
the same as Council Pro tem
Just I would add just that say
I favor nation plus my
amendment So okay do we need to
pause and can I get a
clarification?
>> Yes And this is just for
single family, not multifamily,
correct?
>> Yes.
For single family Do we not
have So we would need a second
if we're going to move forward
on this.
>> Okay.
I'll second it.
>> Thank you.
See what I'm what you're voting
on with a new motion.
Okay.
Do we need to have that in
writing before voting or we
will need to craft an amendment
in writing And if we could just
take a quick break to determine
how best to do that and where
it would go in the code.
>> Okay.
>> And 510 Okay.
>> We only need five minutes so
we All right?
Yeah I
yeah I know And I'm I'm
I'm I'm
okay
And
I just
I have four you have on.
All right.
We're going to get resume on
this again remember the golden
rule five minutes for recess is
never five minutes So city
clerk please call the roll.
Thank you.
Council council member Campbell
I do see you, Councilmember
Campbell.
>> I do see you But you need to
unmute.
I'm here.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Council member whitburn Council
Member Foster here Council
Member Von Wilpert and Council
PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee here Some
member Can you hear Council
member Moreno present Council
member Ellen Rivera
The PRESIDENT Look LaCava
present All right we do have a
quorum through the very
attentive city attorney and
the city clerk we have
clarified that In fact
COUNCILMAN Van Wolpert has made
a substitute motion which is to
move the staff recommendation
but make the change for only
for 80 use And I think there's
language up on the screen a
little bit tiny but perhaps you
can see it.
So I think the city attorney
wanted to make a comment before
we go back to council members
for discussion.
Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT.
I will ask Senior Chief Deputy
City Attorney Karen New for to
comment on the motion.
Thank you.
I wanted to just clarify for
the record that under state law
the city is required to have an
incentive program incentivizing
incentivizing the affordable
adus this proposed motion would
allow for one extra area beyond
what is required under state
law.
There is a possibility that cd
MAY not find that to
incentivize enough given
the current program.
>> And so I just wanted you to
be aware of that.
Okay, Thank you.
And then the remedy if it were
to be if this were to pass and
the remedy would be what would
be mad at us now what we do So
after something is adopted
the city is required to submit
that ordinance to each city.
They then make a determination
as to whether it complies with
the state housing laws If they
do not think it complies with
the state housing laws they
will let us know they present
findings letting us know that
they don't think it complies
and then the city can take an
opportunity to amend
the ordinance at that time.
>> Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
Do this all over again.
All right.
So we have the motion by a
councilmember a substitute
motion by COUNCILMAN Bond for
second by Council member Campo.
Now there's an opportunity for
council members to discuss
the motion that is now on
the floor and we'll go to
Councilmember Foster.
>> Oh, yes.
I just want to go back to your
comment regarding the cd and
I'm confused because we said
that there is no other
municipality that has a bonus
edu program.
Is that accurate?
I do not know if that is
accurate.
Oh I can comment on I believe
that that is accurate To my
knowledge our housing element
which was certified and is
currently certified does
reference the adu bonus
program.
It does not reference
the specifics of what that
looks like.
It does identify what I would
refer to is a performance
standard of achieving 40
affordable 80 use per year.
Okay And thank you for that And
I guess I would have to ask
based on the information that i
think was discussed or was
brought to light during public
comment, it sounds like we have
exceeded those performance
numbers as a requirement.
Is that accurate or is that not
accurate?
>> The performance standard was
40 accessory affordable
accessory dwelling units per
year.
We have permitted between 2021
and 2024 over 300 so we would
be exceeding that number.
So we have exceeded the So
that's a good thing.
>> Would you agree that meeting
our targets is a good thing?
Yes.
Okay.
I think I will I think I will
leave that There is I'm curious
to say curious to call for
the question and see how this
vote turns out.
All right.
Are there to conclude my
comments for now.
All right.
I'm going to take it as a
friendly call for Councilmember
Campeon Thank you, council
PRESIDENT.
>> Thank you to the members of
the public for 810 meetings Now
that you've shown out to give
us your feedback and all
the other meetings you have
that are not at the Council I
have prepared remarks but I was
writing down a few as I was
eating my goldfish.
A few of the comments that
people have pointed out and
phrases that really just
reverberated with me and that I
know reverberate with my
neighbors and my constituents
in District seven out of
control very apropos
the program has been out of
control and it seemed like from
what was presented 97 to 98% of
all the projects are not out of
control.
Three or so percent of
the projects are out of control
and those are really ruining
the sense of community.
I know people say neighborhood
character sense of community is
what I hear coming through and
my neighbors in Linda Vista, I
want to thank you in particular
for being out here for working
with Miles and Summer Miles.
Let me know just how angering
it was and how disappointed you
were that there was that
the complete destruction of
privacy that came about near
transit Some some folks said
oh, this is we need to keep
building near transit.
It's not bearing out that this
is really near transit.
Someone called it community
friendly developments.
I don't hear any community
who's saying that they want
the 3% of the developments
coming through Puti place Who
are the folks from Peabody
Place?
I think they might not be here
anymore but it seems like a lot
There you are.
It seems like a lot of these
particularly the 3% of very big
developments are tucked away in
a place that most of San Diego
can't see but that those
particular pockets are being
undermined, that that's that's
disappointing.
And then the quote that was
underlined from folks we have a
unique there was it was from
one of the investment materials
We have a unique opportunity to
acquire these properties now
before homeowner awareness and
prices jump up it says
everything you need to know
They're hoping you're not aware
.
They're hoping no one's aware
And in that on slide they even
called it the edu craze.
They described their own
projects as a craze.
I, I just want to say I've
really been listening a lot to
what what you all were saying
today And let's be honest
the reason you're here
the reason we're here is
because of the people sitting
out there that have been
advocating for this for so
long.
>> Show up, speak out, stay
engaged, gave frankly excellent
suggestions over and over and
over again And I want to thank
you for that.
And when this issue came before
council in MARCH to proceed
forward with several ideas that
were not yet concrete at that
moment I voted no.
I was concerned that the motion
on the table was not only cut
out large parts of the program
without regard to what my
neighbors had in rs1 seven
zones but I was also concerned
that the idea did risk putting
the city out of compliance with
our housing element and that we
this weekend the concerns were
echoed significantly when
receive that letter from hcd
about the legal risks and I
know there's some dispute over
whether or not that's a true
threat or not but I don't think
they sent us a letter without
serious reasons And I'm very
i'm going to be listening to
what our city attorney tells us
when that comes forward later
similar to what the coastal
Commission Council PRESIDENT
Brought up coastal commission
you said there you wait to hear
what they say back because you
have to comply with the state
regulators And so I'll be
waiting diligently for that
answer Right now as an elected
representative it's our jobs to
represent the needs of our
neighbors As a public servant
it's our also responsibility to
abide by state law and work in
good faith to meet our state
requirements.
I don't want us to lose
control.
I don't want to see
the builders remedy whatsoever
.
And so while I did second
the motion for the four unit
cap the councilmember
vulnerable for I am going to be
watching very closely because I
do not want us to be risking
the problems that might come if
the state tells us it's just
not feasible as much as I'm
worried about that though it's
important to be reasonable and
open minded to integrating as
many ideas from the public as
possible because unchecked
density has created real risk.
The projects I've seen as part
of this program have violated
the spirit of what the program
was supposed to be about
Investors that don't have to
live with the end result And
thank you to the District seven
folks particularly from Linda
Vista.
If I could have those three
ready in my district there are
several numerous 82 projects
including Newbold Court and
Linda Vista and Twain Avenue
and Allied Gardens that have
generated a great deal of
concern And I've gone past
those locations personally I've
asked my staff to visit and
meet the people who live there
and those neighbors are
rightfully concerned because
they care about their
neighborhoods and they care
about their neighbors and I
think it's very, very obvious
that the people sitting out
there are open to change but
wanted to be part of
the process from the very
beginning rules that made sense
not just to protect their
families but also to protect
the families of the people who
were going to move in.
It's not just the folks who
already live there that are
saying this is a risk to me and
my family.
It's the people when they come
in that's going to be
troubling.
So these changes that been
brought forward numerous thank
you to our city staff for
putting together many of these
common sense reforms.
Now I think the state prevents
us from creating what I think
is an ideal program based on
what we saw in the city letter
and and other issues there.
But let's just take a quick
look at the wins for San Diego
The real successes We got many
fire safety setbacks
prohibiting projects in very
dangerous zones excluding
environmentally sensitive lands
and canyons because Technology
Canyon and Ruffin Canyon and
Short Canyon and Sand Rock
Canyon and Rueda Canyon and
Shepherd Canyon and L.A. Canyon
Navajo Canyon.
Mission Trails.
Rim you get the picture about
what District seven is worried
about.
That's very important to
anybody whose district is along
a watershed which I think is
practically everybody requiring
the off street parking outside
the tpa.
That's really important because
it does put in more of a
requirement somewhere.
I just simply want to reiterate
that and Council PRESIDENT
Pointed this out Four of us
voted against this year.
I voted against the idea that
impracticality was problematic
on the community enhancement
fee.
Did staff receive any
confirmation from h about that
Creating legal problems?
We did not receive confirmation
from each city in
the affirmative but in
the correspondence and
discussions that we have had we
have not received a notice from
the agency of
the identification of any
issues with the community
enhancement fee Understood I
think from an from an
affirmatively furthering fair
housing component I mentioned
this at committee that making
sure we still charged that
community enhancement fee in
moderate zones is an important
component of that.
Part of it is to try to
incentivize building the it use
in areas with more resources.
I know that we're on a
substitute motion at this
point.
I do think it's important that
we put that back on council
PRESIDENT In offering a
friendly amendment to add that
requirement back in now that
this is a motion that is
carried by Councilmember Yvonne
Wolpert, it's not Is she in
charge of accepting friendly
amendments at this moment?
>> Yes.
Okay.
I would like to see us not just
waive right now we're waiving
the ecf and the Community
Enhancement cef in high
resource and very high resource
.
>> I think we should also not
waive it in moderate We should
require in moderate that will
ensure that places like Linda
Vista don't get left out if
there's any use being built
there.
And so I would ask that we make
that that's I don't have it in
writing but it's a very, very
literal addition of one word.
I think Yeah, I would accept
that.
Okay.
>> Thank you.
City Attorney Is that clear
what I was suggesting there Is
it in the fee resolution or is
it in the ordinance?
Sorry I believe it's in
the ordinance.
Okay.
For clarification I think this
only applies to the amendment
that was made at lnh to waive
the fee for low income units
because it's not there's no fee
waiver for high and highest
resource areas in general that
was the incentive that was
the incentive to try to make
sure that folks would build
this in higher resource areas.
Right?
Only if using the low income
all that stuff, correct?
That's correct.
So the direction from land use
and Housing Committee was to
exempt payment of the fee for
affordable 80 use deed
restricted at low or very low
in moderate high or highest
resource areas.
Right So and you're proposal as
I understand it is this strike
moderate strike Moderate Yes
please And I believe that's
also in the ordinance So we
will probably need to take
another quick recess to draft
that language and distribute
it.
Okay.
I will conclude my comments so
that we can just get through
this a little bit more quickly
.
>> I want to just touch base on
the separate sale of ada use if
I could.
>> You're going to need a
little bit more time.
>> Is there anyone who can give
me two more minutes please?
Do I have any time?
No thank you.
>> Councilmember Weber and I
expressed hesitation around
the separate sale of 80 use and
I'm there intended to be first
time home buying opportunities
that don't exist in our market.
I'm glad to see the 30 day
priority for home owner
occupant to ensure that we're
supporting families, seniors
and young people who want to
enter the housing market and
not inadvertently create more
opportunities for investors.
But I have to say that I have
significant doubts that
divisible sellable use will end
up as lower priced owner
occupied properties And here's
why we aren't changing
the market Reality that we see
right now already which is
investors with more cash out
compete Ordinary people who
have less cash.
So I'm worried about this too.
Today 82 developers often play
the long game.
They wait 15 years to recoup
costs through rent if they
maintain it and rent it out
themselves.
But if if they can sell units
outright that profit comes
faster and easier and that
shift could drive up land
prices and shut families out
right now.
So if they are sellable they
could investors could recover
their profits far quicker with
less effort.
Doesn't that cause land prices
to spike, not settle?
So I'm not convinced about this
idea And though it's in this
package with a lot of good
ideas, I just want to state on
the record I'm not in support
of that particular idea.
I think it will backfire.
The last point here what
the 40s I have whatever rules
that are put in place today we
have to enforce them very
strictly.
When I learned that 80 use were
being built without
the required sidewalks leading
all the way to them, I couldn't
think of anything more
upsetting because
the neighborhood is deprived
and soon the new residents
would be deprived of something
so basic that the city says is
necessary.
So we should not let that
happen again.
And last thing to the crowd I
don't want anyone here to think
I don't think us passing this
is doing you a favor.
>> We should have done this
from the beginning.
Thank you.
And all right.
Thank you, Councilmember Campo
while they're still Are you
still working?
>> Before I go to council
member Whitburn, I have
the motion to take it down to
four.
Are there any deed restricted
units that will actually come
out of this any more?
So the way that the language is
written is that there's one
additional market rate to you
per affordable 80 You we would
interpret that to mean that if
you're adding more than
the state required that that
one would be deed restricted.
Okay so out of the four one
would still be deed restricted
that would be the effect of
the program With the amendment
With the amendment.
>> Okay, great.
Thank you for that.
Councilmember Whitburn Thank
you.
Council PRESIDENT And you sort
of touched on the question that
I was going to ask.
I'll I guess ask for a little
bit more on that because it's
one of the consistent themes
that we've heard is a lot of
interest in the truly deed
restricted rent kept affordable
to use.
I think you mentioned that over
the last three years we've seen
something like 90 or 100 a year
is I am I remember what you
said there correctly How many
have we done in the last few
years?
We have permanent over 300 in
the last four years.
That's 2021 through 2024.
>> Okay, 92.
Thank you.
All right, good.
It's late.
My bath wasn't quite that fast.
Okay, so we we did about 92 a
year so if we go with
the motion that's on the floor
which is a cap of four across
the board, what would be
the impact on the production of
deed restricted rent capped
affordable to use The answer to
that is a little complicated.
We don't know the data that
we've shared with you is data
that's based off of the program
that's been effect in effect
with additional amendments.
We don't know the way that we
would know is that we would
monitor the program and that
information would be shared
publicly through what we call
our annual report on homes.
>> Okay.
Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT.
Thank you for that question.
Council member Whitburn
Councilmember Moreno Thank you
and thank you for
the presentation and thank you
to staff for your hard work on
this item and also thank you to
the public that came out to
express your opinions on
the matter before us today.
I've long expressed strong
support for finding ways to
build more housing throughout
the city that is accessible and
affordable to all San Diegans.
Not everybody could afford to
buy a house or were fortunate
enough to buy one in the 1980s
Rental rate rental rates remain
very high which put many San
Diegans in a tough spot where
they're focused they're forced
to pay high rent for homes that
might not fit the need
the needs of their family.
This is why since I was elected
in 2018 I've looked at every
avenue possible to build more
homes across the city because
it is the only way we're going
to address our housing crisis.
We spent a lot of time
developing 80 new regulations
in the Housing Legisla ation
Code Update in 2020 the Housing
Action package in 2021 and 2022
as well as other policies meant
to generally increase housing
opportunities for San Diegans
such as multiple land
development code updates and
affordable housing preservation
ordinance.
These have all helped increase
housing supply in 2021 over
5000 since 2021 over 5780 use
have been built that families
live in today.
That's incredibly meaningful to
the people who live in those
homes now And I'm glad that
they have been built But it's
not enough.
We still need more housing for
families particularly
affordable housing and middle
income housing.
Some of the proposed amendments
have been called into question
In the JUNE 13th letter from
the State Department of Housing
and Community Development And I
do agree with some of these
points.
I was glad to see some
revisions in response to these
letter especially adjusting
the amendment to allow the age
edu home density bonus program
to apply in high and highest
resource areas within the zones
being removed from the program.
I was also glad to see
the changes clarifying that
replacement parking is not
required in any addition in any
situation where an uncovered
parking space is removed to
build an adu However, I do
agree on the point by age cd
that the Home Density Bonus
program is an important part of
our housing element and that
the city relied in part on
the program to satisfy the four
admittedly further fair housing
requirement of the housing
element and that the adu bonus
program is a meaningful action
to address multiple fair
housing issues.
I was particularly concerned
with the section titled General
affo Obligation in the letter
that states the changes raised
concern about whether
the amended provisions are
materially inconsistent with
the city's obligation to
affirmatively furthering fair
housing.
It's a valid point because at
the end of the day these
amendments, these amendments
make it harder to build more
adu homes in many areas of San
Diego to address our housing
crises and to make sure there
are homes to live in For all
San Diegans it is my job to
make it easier to build more
housing.
I do not want to reduce
the tools at our disposal that
help us build more housing.
The adu density bonus program
is one tool that created more
housing and these changes make
it less effective and limits
our ability to affirmatively
affirmatively further fair
housing.
The Staff report and the letter
from hcd mentioned that since
the city adopted the adu home
density bonus program it's
resulted in 875 adus permitted
with 365 of those having
affordability restrictions That
is significant and I don't want
to lose that momentum according
to the Planning Department's
2024 report on homes the city
has permitted 23.8% of homes
allocated through the regional
housing needs assessment
between 2020 and 2023 of
the 25,692 new homes permitted
between 2020 and 2023 the city
has permitted 4879 low income
and moderate income homes.
Meanwhile there have been
20,814 above moderate income
homes built and I will need my
extra 33 minutes please.
I think everybody can
acknowledge that the city needs
more homes that are affordable
to everyday working people and
less luxury homes built for
the wealthy.
80 Use help fill that gap
The city would will need to
permit 82,344 more homes to
meet the rent allocation by
2029.
If these amendments are passed
we will likely fall further
behind in our goals to reach
those numbers.
>> Now when my three year old
daughter is an adult I want her
and everyone in her generation
to have the opportunity to live
in San Diego.
That means we need to do all we
can now to increase housing
supply If we move backwards
today in allowing more homes to
be built.
I very much fear that in 20 or
30 years our housing crisis
will be even worse than it is
today And people who were born
and raised here in San Diego
will have to leave in order to
live in a home they could
afford.
>> Ultimately my goal is to
encourage building more
affordable housing while
preventing abuse of the city's
optional adu density program.
These changes go far beyond
addressing these bad actors.
Finally in Cdw's discussion of
item 14 which removes
the program from various
residential zones, they say
that the amendment to
eligibility criteria appear to
go much further than addressing
those concerns by removing
eligibility from 20% of
the area where fewer units
would be allowed in the first
place and by imposing prohibit
prohibitive restrictions on
the remainder of all eligible
sites.
>> I very much agree with that
statement and as such I will
not be voting in favor of
the motion before us today.
>> Thank you.
That concludes my comments.
All right.
Thank you.
Council member Moreno.
Are we still working on
the language or do we have
something we can put up on
the screen that it was sent?
Okay.
>> If the city attorney could
clarify what the changes would
be for the Councilmember and
see if he accepts.
>> Absolutely within
the ordinance it would be a
change to section 141.0302
subsection d subsection nine be
to strike out moderate.
In addition, in the fee
resolution it would also strike
out moderate to recital j and
then action item number three
That sounds correct to me So
it's nine b Yes so it'll say
the premises is located in an
area identified as a high or
very high moderate district.
>> Yes, very good.
That's what I was looking for.
Thank you so much.
They're going to put that up on
the screen.
So that only applies to income
restricted units in those
areas.
Yes.
Okay.
Not well.
So just for clarification,
income restricted at the low or
very low levels.
>> Low.
Very low.
Right.
I'll wait for that to go up on
the screen I will add I
appreciate it.
Councilmember Temple's comments
about how he's going to react.
I appreciate the huge numbers
that were generated over
the past four years.
We can be proud about
the numbers.
i don't think anybody should be
proud about how we got to
the numbers.
I think the abuse of projects
that we everybody articulated
and described contributed a lot
to those not the one The three
unit 80 used That seemed to be
the vast majority of projects
going forward I remain a little
bit concerned that we MAY have
rolled this back a little bit
too much.
I think there might be a middle
ground from between what staff
offered and this subsidy motion
by Councilmember von Wolpert
5.5 hours I don't want to go
through 5.5 hours again when it
comes back and says you went
too far.
I think the city Planning
Department carefully crafted
new language over the weekend
that tried to strike a balance
with what each side said.
You know, I mentioned this I
hear a lot of grumbling.
There was testimony at a
different agency that said you
have a culture to do x, y, z
And I had to respond saying we
don't have a culture.
We have Sacramento that
dictates what we do and how we
do it.
Clearly we went too far from
where Sacramento was and having
put that out there we have
reset the bar.
The bar is no longer what
the state mandate is.
This is my interpretation but
we raised the bar so high that
hpd says Don't you dare come
down too much to what the state
law says.
And I think that's where
the pushback gets why they
didn't say this in the multiple
conversations you had before.
Remains a mystery that we'll
never understand.
But I think there's a middle
ground here that MAY identify
what the concern is by
the public that came out and
gets us a little bit closer and
a little more hopefully closer
to what acb is interested in.
So we do have the motion on
the screen and if I didn't have
cataracts I could actually read
it But nevertheless I
understand what it was So we
not seen anybody else in
the lights.
We do have a motion by a
substitute motion by council
member Von Wolpert and second
by Council member Campo Oh I'm
sorry.
City Attorney in the fee
resolution it's also an action
item number three we strike
moderate also we're going to go
to two pages so we'll just go
okay, Thank you.
>> Okay.
That's a good point that there
is a separate resolution for
how we deal with the fee that's
still in there.
>> But I guess it's two
sections
and the cost sorry we
thought the second email
replace the first email so it
was going on the screen but it
will be two and we'll print it
out so that people can take it
home in the back as well.
Souvenir So we're wired while
we're waiting for that to come
up I do want to highlight
number of people spoke about
affirmatively furthering fair
housing.
Look at the language that was
actually crafted over
the weekend that took a real
substantial step towards
affirmatively furthering fair
housing.
The original ordinance that was
published last weekend didn't
really go that far but the new
language in front of us goes
pretty far.
>> We up there and then go back
okay, those are all the emails
that were sent then I think we
need to take a five minute
break.
>> The city attorney's office
isn't saying that this is what
isn't So I MAY add my apologies
but I will need to take a five
minute break to make sure we're
getting the accurate language
from the city attorney's office
.
Yeah, that doesn't look like
resolution language.
>> Okay.
Okay.
We're going to take another
five minute break.
Anybody's guess how long it
will take
.
We're printing it out to give
everybody because now what do
you think?
I bet.
Oh my GOD.
I All right.
We're going to bring council
together again.
So city clerk, please call
the roll.
Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT Council
member Campbell here Council
member Whitburn here Council
Member Foster here Member Von
Wilpert Council PRESIDENT Pro
Tem Lee here Council Member
Campion here Council Member
Moreno Present Council Member
Ella Rivera and Council
PRESIDENT LaCava Resident Okay
I'm going to do a little down
thing.
We're going to we're going to
print out a hard copy because I
don't think anybody can read
that on the screen but I think
we've heard the good work
the city clerk and our city
attorneys, the court every
place council member Campos
friendly amendment and
the original substitute motion
by council member Yvonne
Gilbert The council
transmitting All right I think
no one is in the reading mode
anymore So we have our quorum.
We have the substitute motion
by council member Von Wilpert
and again seconded by
Councilmember Campos.
So City Clerk please call
the vote.
>> Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT I'm sorry
The voting system Please cast
your vote.
Councilmember Campbell MAY get
your vote for the record
Council member Campbell votes
yes and I failed for yays five
nays.
The substitute motion fails.
Took an hour couple of hours.
I don't want to do this again.
I want to try to nail what a cd
would actually accept and I
don't think that was it.
>> Council member Campos up on
the light since the alternative
failed.
We're now back to the actual
original which is Council
member Lee Council present Pro
Tem Lee I would offer as a
friendly amendment the moderate
amendment now that that's
wasn't in the original motion
as a friendly amendment to
remove all what I stated
earlier get rid of the moderate
striking the word moderate from
those two components So since
Councilmember Foster's on
the lights I'm going to
politely declined here But
presuming that there might be
more discussion because I don't
know if mine is going to be
the discussion point stop.
>> All right, We'll go to
Council member Foster who
started off on this journey
about four months ago or so.
Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT.
Thank you.
And I'll say this Thank you,
Heidi.
Um, and to your team I think
Council PRESIDENT Kind of
mentioned we're here based on
some things that I did a few
months back but I stand by what
I did and I think it was and is
the right thing to do in my
team made gave me some very
good talking points But see
it's 9:00 and I think I have
spoken on all of my concerns
around housing whether it be my
issues with large lots and
the discriminatory practices
behind them or the 80 years in
which I feel the conversation
that should have been had on
the front end was a true zoning
conversation.
I think that would have brought
the appropriate transparency to
the table and I don't think we
would be in the position where
we have as we want to say a bad
actor where I think this bad
actor was intentional in his
efforts.
If I recall when I first went
down a road sdr he is a member
of the Casita group and how we
want to per say include folks
in our stakeholder groups that
conduct themselves as such
Shame on us.
I'd like to think that our job
is to support our business
community but I also think it's
important that we support our
neighborhoods and especially
when it comes to district for I
made the decision to occupy
this seat because of the years
of disinvestment and the years
where I felt District four was
ignored.
Now having said, I also would
like to say that I truly do
feel and believe that District
four is the best district in
the city of San Diego And I say
that would confidence and I say
that because I love my people
and I love my community And so
forgive me if as I went down
this road I was a little
selfish but I will always be
selfish when it comes to
the district four because it is
just that important to me with
that as you can see we did I
guess I did get my up or down
vote in regards to trying to
rein in the numbers that were
presented and in front of us.
But as you can see we still
continue to have challenges.
And so with that as I
understand and I just want to
make sure I understand process
as the was was it did we demand
a substitute motion So as a
substitute motion has failed we
refer back to the original
motion that was on the table.
Correct.
And with what took place and I
just want to say this too
because I'm just perplexed and
excuse me because as I look at
the production, if I understand
everything that you have
provided to us and between I
guess is it 90 what is between
2021 and 2024 when you look at
what was permitted we've had
5182 permits for 123 80 new
homes And I believe in your
response to you noted I mean I
kind of alluded to this in my
questions earlier is that we
are having these conversations,
these contentious conversations
on a program that has produced
about 2% of the production that
we are discussing If I
understand these numbers is in
my understanding the numbers
correctly that the state
program is what is actually
producing I believe instead of
little numbers It is in my memo
that I did state and I
apologize off the top of my
head I don't remember
the precise number but overall
the numbers produced through
the affordable home bonus
program for a use is a very
small percentage of course of
the overall total housing
production across the city.
It is it is one of many, you
know, pathway I get you and
thank you.
I'm just a little perplexed
We're having this level of
conversation over program that
is not producing the units as
intended And so I just other
than our bad actors who want to
do 780 use right but also and
just before I move forward I
think I gave the clerk a vote a
clerk and I think I had given
the clerk a photo that I would
like to show of a project
that's currently taking place
in my district and this is
within walking distance of my
home And as much as we can make
that any larger essentially
this is a six but is 60 200
square foot lot that has one
two, three, four dwelling two
story units as such.
So that's what eight units And
as you can see the lower unit
is below street level And I am
just amazed as I drive down my
block to see something like
this to where without looking
at the plans I don't know how
folks are going to get in and
out.
Clearly there's no clearly
there's no parking I don't know
what folks are going to do with
their garbage because based on
our trash program they are
excluded from our program So
they have to go to a private
hauler.
But I don't see where a bin is
going to be located.
So this those types of things
where I just don't understand
how we cannot rein in and have
certain and I believe the term
is objective design standards
or something to that effect.
I just feel as if we are really
have our hands tied behind our
back.
And I'll also say this and I
think the public needs to know
this and I appreciate your
passion and I appreciate your
engagement but as you can see a
lot of the um we do have
certain control here but a lot
of the things that we are
struggling with or or that that
presents certain challenges all
take place at the state level.
So I would encourage you to
engage with your state
representatives as well even to
address letters that come out
from ac that make no sense
right where where we have to go
back and say make it make sense
Our attorneys can't make heads
or tails of what oecd's
providing at this point.
So I think there just needs to
be as we talk about engagement
,we need to make sure we're
addressing all of the levels
consistently so that we can
have some continuity as as we
look at what we can do here
locally.
But with that and with my
issues I do have I also think I
gave the clerk a put an
amendment that I would like to
bring forward as a substitute
motion as well if we can get
that brought up I thought there
should be more now Well I guess
is at the top to move staff's
recommendation.
It's not as I don't know city
Attorney if we need to go back
and have him plop in all
the true legal issues but it's
essentially to move staff's
recommendation with
the following modification and
that's to amend table 141-03a
in section 141-0302I think
that's a d I can't see that
part and a four as follows And
that essentially is taking lot
areas 8000 or less to a maximum
of four units 8001 to 10,000 to
five units and 10,001 or
greater to six units And that's
what I would like to propose as
a substitute route motion
Unless you want to do a
friendly amendment put up or
have you do a substitute motion
council PRESIDENT You might as
the maker of the original
motion Could I have a request?
Clearly I think item 16 is
the most popular item of
the day.
It's the one where we're
fiddling with the scale and
where that scale makes sense
And I understand that we all
MAY have a different
perspective.
And so if I could ask my
colleague if we could actually
bifurcate item 16 because I
think many of us had have had
significant discussions on
the value of the entire package
as a whole.
There are other amendments
related to state components or
amendments to this program that
I think we all find that are
valuable because they rein in
other problematic areas.
But this particular section on
development scale seems to be
the one piece that we all have
slightly different opinions on.
So I would certainly appreciate
an opportunity to I mean if I
could still move and I don't
know if Councilmember regular
Rivera would select a second
package without item 16 whether
this could be considered
separately.
I think as a courtesy to
Councilmember Foster, I'm going
to second his motion since he's
accepting everything else in
there and I, I think well, if I
do a substitute well that's
what I'm asking Work with my
good friend MR. Campo in his
because he deferred to me
Right.
2 to 2 before you two can talk
on his So can we add his into
Yeah into mine.
I don't know if it's in
the same section so that might
be a moderate strike and
moderate.
Okay so we should be able to
put that up pretty quickly.
>> Does that make sense?
We gave a courtesy to council
my Ben Wolpert to entertain her
substitute motion.
I would think we should
entertain the same thing for
Councilmember Foster and if you
don't like the amendments to
the table then we can vote that
down and see where we go with
You're the second.
That's fine.
I'm fine with that.
If you're the second of
the motion.
Just a brief.
This is just the council
PRESIDENT So the alternative
motion has been made and you've
seconded your substitute
substitute motion So therefore
Councilmember Foster is now in
control.
>> The motion Correct.
You would accept my friendly
amendment to strike moderate?
Yeah.
Okay.
They're doing that Right.
Very good.
Incorporate that in since they
have that language from
the previous action So does
that mean Yes.
Oh yeah And I'm not going to
try to bring back my other
amendment So Oh Councilmember
Campbell I'm sorry The clerk
stepped away so I missed it.
Did you want to speak?
>> Yes, no problem.
It's only been about 20s I
would just like to add to my
colleague Henry Foster who just
reminded us that what is in
the recommendations as written
by our planning department
staff is so much better than
what we have been living with
and I just want to let everyone
know that it is to me you know
I'm one of those people who
didn't didn't like going beyond
the state What the state wanted
however, this is such a better
change from what we would be
living with prior to this that
I am in favor of it And I
appreciate Councilmember Foster
making the substitute motion
and our council PRESIDENT
Seconding it.
I just want to remind people
that what this does is it it
limits ideas and fires zones
both high and very high.
It causes ingress and egress
requirements for fire safety
and other safety.
It is this consistent with unit
size and and the caps that are
in here and in what
Councilmember Foster put I
think our excellent and I think
we have found a middle ground
that we can agree on at this
time.
I I particularly want to
mention the parking requirement
that's back in I was the only
person many years ago who voted
that we should not deny parking
requirements to builders.
I was the only no vote on that
years ago and I'm glad to see
that some repair of that is
included in this And I think
that this is is really quite an
excellent beginning though
These these changes are not
perfect.
I think they're a good step, a
big step toward a much more
rational measure in terms of
aid to use for our city than we
have had prior to now.
And I also just want to mention
so the public knows it is
illegal for a short term
vacation rental to occur in an
ad you So I just want to
mention that there are 117 to
use built before 2017 that are
allowed but most of
the thousands of them are not
ever allowed to be used as
short term rentals.
So if you know of one that is
please let the city know
because we will clamp down on
that.
That is already a law and that
continues to be a law in this
new plan.
So I I'm very much in favor of
Councilmember Foster's motion
and I again I want to thank him
for bringing this up in MARCH
and making it possible that we
can do something about this and
also for the public.
I just want you to know that in
2017 before any of us were here
before the mayor was talked
Gloria, that is when the ball
and say do you program was
passed And I got to tell you
that most people did not know
about it at that time.
It has taken us this many years
to catch up.
But this what we have presented
to us tonight is a great
improvement.
So I want to thank you and I
will vote yes.
>> Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT Thank you,
Councilmember Campbell And
thank you for sharing with us
in this very long meeting as
you continue your successful
recovery Council PRESIDENT Pro
Tem Lee I'm sorry I think we
kicked you out the lights from
some additional comments.
>> I don't think I was coming
off clearly for that.
I guess I'm going to make a
request of the motion maker if
they'd be willing to bifurcate
the item to separate out item
16 from the rest of the package
.
Is it item 16 looking to
planning stuff?
Um yeah.
And I'll turn to our city
attorneys to confirm whether
that is item 16 on the slide
deck.
Basically I'm asking to
separate out and take two
separate motions of votes,
correct One on the remainder of
the package one ordinance And I
think I don't think that we can
bifurcate the ordinance given
how it's presented and various
strikeouts for it.
Okay.
If it's not possible that's
where I'm looking to the city
attorney for city attorney's
office.
>> I appreciate you following
up.
So I think we're getting a hard
copy printed again just oh it's
double file the other day Page
over
to public.
I think we're ready by
the looks on my colleague's
faces so no one else is on
the right.
We have a motion by council
member Foster and a second by
myself for the substitute
motion shown on the screen or
in two steps on the screen.
So City Clerk please call
the roll.
>> I have started the voting
system.
Please cast your vote.
Councilmember Campbell I vote
yes and that passes 5 to 4 with
Councilmember Whip Burn Lee
Moreno and Ella Rivera voting
no Thank you Council PRESIDENT.
>> All right.
Thank you City Clerk Believe it
or not, we actually still have
a little more business to
conduct.
So with that we will now take
up non agenda public comment.
The council members respect and
appreciate the public's input
and are fully committed to
protecting every participant's
free speech rights at council
and committee meetings.
Clerk Please proceed with
public comment.
>> Thank you.
Council PRESIDENT Pearl 2.7 on
Agenda Public comment is an
opportunity for members of
the public to comment on items
that are not on the agenda but
within the subject matter
jurisdiction of the City
Council.
Each speaker will have two
minutes.
Please note if there are eight
or more speakers on a single
topic the maximum time for
the topic will be 16 minutes.
If you are in chambers please
submit your speaker slip If
you're joining us virtually
please raise your hand to speak
by tapping the raise your hand
icon or if you are calling
participant star nine If I can
please ask everyone to speak
Yeah if you could please exit
quietly Continue your
conversations outside of
chambers.
We do have some we do have some
folks signed up for non agenda
public comment We'd like to
wrap up with Cesar Javier
Burrito Javier I don't think I
see them Joyce and yada if you
can please come forward after
Joy it will be Andrea Ebbing
Although I don't think I see
her either.
>> Joy Please proceed.
Thank you.
City Clerk Fuentes great job.
Love you so much.
You're just fabulous.
And everybody everybody okay,
Joyce And now to district three
PRESIDENT LaCava.
This is for you.
Okay.
I apologize to Congress man
Peters for not including him in
my committee comments last
week.
Here is what I want to say now
Congress and Scott Peters
reintroduced the ocean
Pollution Reduction Act to also
known as Now Not Now also known
as o p r a number two.
I'll say that as opera Opera
two which simplifies the city
of San Diego's required
permitting process to operate
the point Loma Water treatment
plant which will allow the city
to move forward with its
groundbreaking water recycling
project Pure Water Congressman
Peters said this and I quote I
am working with San Diego's
congressional delegation
the city of San Diego and other
regional partners to make opera
opera a number two law this
Congress.
He wants the law to be made
this Congress That's 2025 end
of quote from me.
I am in the process of getting
more info on the secondary
treatment standards and their
impact on drinking water and
the ocean environment.
I look forward to sharing more
with all of you Love to Thank
you.
>> This was an amazing day for
Andrea.
Everything Andrea everything.
Moving on.
Five minute timer has started
here in council chambers.
We have seven speakers in
the queue.
Francine Maxwell If you can
please unmute please proceed.
>> Good evening Francine
Maxwell District four Let's be
clear this isn't about
homeowners versus renters
debate it's about fairness.
Homeowners pay into the general
fund through property taxes
covering parks, libraries and
public safety services.
Renters benefit without
shouldering the same burden
calling it equity is
the political theater.
What occurred today when a
sitting council person
continually disrespected
the ordinance is
unconscionable.
It shows you the immaturity in
this progressive diocese that
continues so that someone won
reelection.
It doesn't negate the fact for
you to be disrespectful to
the public.
Let's remember civility.
Let's remember to agree to
disagree respectfully.
But because you get longer than
everybody and we get 1 minute
or 2 minute you're continual
grandstanding.
It's going to continue for your
future to turn you around.
Let's remember not everybody
can afford a condo that works
for the city of San Diego
The Frontliners.
So let's be more mindful when
you want to continue to pit
each other against their
neighbors.
Do better San Diego.
>> That concludes your
comments.
The original If you can please
unmute.
>> What a circus.
It's so sad to see the way you
guys work and then you're like
telling the people to leave
because you want to get out of
here.
Well you guys sit up there on
your Dyess and go off on these
diatribes speaking half a mile
a minute, you know just
determining all these things
for the people And it's sad
because you do your
grandstanding and you bring all
of these things to act like you
really want people to get in
and own a home.
That's not the idea of what's
going on.
And then you're complaining
about no parking.
It's because you guys are
getting rid of parking.
It's like you literally impede
your own ability of providing
what needs to be provided for
the public.
But you act like you don't know
where that came from.
I can't believe that there's
not this in this because that's
what you guys do.
You implement all of these
things and then it gets in your
way and you act like I don't
know how that happened.
Who are we going to talk to
about this?
It's sad because like then you
also think that if you provide
more housing it's going to get
cheaper?
No, it actually gets more
expensive.
And the more that you put
towards like people in in
certain areas that are more
near public transit and
everything, all of the values
go up.
It's like sandag sitting here
saying we're going to go and do
value.
Land value captures by going to
places that don't have any
public transit, putting it
there, capturing the value in
the land and pocketing that all
while it makes the people in
that community suffer because
all of a sudden there's things
that are in that community that
weren't there before and were
the exact reasons why they
wanted to be there.
Just like all of these homes
that these people have bought
that thought I want to be in a
nice little family
neighborhood.
And now that's being destroyed
And you guys wonder why people
are leaving in astronomical
numbers.
It's because of what you're
doing and not even providing
what needs to be provided.
People can't afford to live and
buy a home.
They can barely provide what
they need to for their family
just to make it.
And it all has to do with
the increases that you guys
continually put out.
Your time has concluded.
>> Terence Kelley if you can
please unmute.
>> Good evening San Diego City
Council.
My name is Terry and Skilling
and I attend my planning group
and I'm a community volunteer
who has worked in youth
programs for decades.
Several sources of research
over the last five years has
increasingly suggested a strong
correlation between mental
health issues and adolescent
use of marijuana.
A recent analysis of
the medical records of over
95,000 Northern California
adolescents in the Kaiser
Permanente Permanente Medical
care system indicated a
correlation between having
marijuana storefronts in town
and the presence of medical
diagnosis of psychotic anxiety
and depressive disorders.
Specifically this research
found that banning storefront
cannabis shops was linked to
about half the rate of
psychotic disorders in teens
52% lower compared to areas
without bans.
>> Another way to put it is
teens who live 20 plus minutes
away from the nearest cannabis
store had about half the rate
of psychotic disorders 47%
lower since we had 25 marijuana
storefronts throughout our
city.
Perhaps we need to recognize
the association between their
presence and teen mental health
issues.
The journey into adulthood and
adulthood with its education
and economic demands is
difficult at best to be
burdened with intellectual and
emotional challenges brought on
by the sale of and promotion of
marijuana products is just
plain cool.
>> Now is the time to decrease
their their influence in our
city and seek more enforcement
against illegal marijuana
delivery services in the city.
Thank you for hearing my
concerns this evening.
Thank you Medicine If you can
please unmute the phone And a
timer has also concluded there
for speakers in the queue.
No additional speakers will be
taken after that.
Please rise.
Good evening.
Thanks Council members.
I'm here tonight to raise a
growing concern about
the dramatic rise in nicotine
patch use among teens
especially here in San Diego.
A new national study led by
the Keck School of Medicine at
usc found that teen use of
nicotine patches like
the popular brand is in nearly
doubled from 2023 to 2024.
These discreet flavored pouches
are being aggressively marketed
on social media, especially by
so-called influencers promoting
them as symbols of confidence
and focus.
But there's a dangerous
disconnect.
While less than 1% of adults
report using these pouches over
5% of teens have already tried
them.
Even more troubling is
the growing number of teens
using both nicotine pouches and
e-cigarettes.
These products are not
harmless.
Nicotine in any form can damage
adolescent brain development
impacting memory learning and
attention.
Some users already report gum
damage and mouth sores.
Yet flavored varieties like
cinnamon and fruit remain
widely available and appealing
to youth.
As local leaders you have a
responsibility to act.
I urge this Council to consider
local education efforts in our
schools.
Restrictions on flavored pouch
sales and outreach to parents
and health care providers.
Let's not wait for this to
become a crisis.
We've already seen what's
happened with vaping.
So let's use that lesson to
protect San Diego's youth now.
Thank you.
Next is Blair Pigman.
If he can please unmute.
>> Hi.
We're big band.
I fell asleep during my public
comment time.
I'm really sorry.
I wanted to speak.
I don't know if I can speak
now.
I'll probably have to wait
until later but I think a lot
of good work was done here
tonight.
I think a lot of good attempts
and a reminder every major city
in California is having serious
issues the same as yourself.
We're incredibly unorganized
and don't know what to do.
And you guys are trying to
define that more than any other
California city.
You're setting the example.
Thank you immensely.
I mean you can make me cry and
thinking that we hit we missed.
We keep on working.
I want to keep on working on
these things and talking about
these things.
Good luck in your efforts so I
can better learn and understand
these things.
What we do did as a community
practice I hope we can apply to
the trash issues.
You're doing some beginning
good work to to invite
community to a process.
I think we have to continue
the effort.
Then we are talking about a
community democracy.
We're talking about all parts
of the community adding their
voice and ideas to a process
and I think we're starting
something really interesting in
San Diego that I hope we can
continue.
And I hope that eventually ends
up with the technology issues
and we can be more open and
clear and interesting that we
can have that conversation
openly And it doesn't have to
be feared that it's some
national security drama and we
can't talk about it.
We can talk about it and we
could talk about it.
That's building our responsible
future.
We're trying to do that.
Keep up the good work, guys.
It's really hard work and
you're doing it really well.
Thank you.
And with my remaining time, I
want to build the future of San
Diego where we have I do not do
those paramilitary tactics.
They can't do that anymore.
They can do their ai things but
not paramilitary.
Let's work on that.
Thank you.
Next is phone number ending in
1672 If you can please unmute
1672.
>> Okay.
Oh Blair Anyways every single
person sitting on the dais no
matter how smug or detached you
MAY appear you too will
eventually be victims of
the very policies that you push
whether it's inflation,
surveillance, overreach,
housing chaos or suicide social
decay It's just a matter of
time.
You are not protected.
You are not above
the consequences.
So ask yourselves what will be
your legacy?
What do you want to be
remembered for?
Obedience to a corrupt system
or courage to stand with
the people and to the public
Watching the few still putting
blind faith in this machine
that continues to fail them
Wake up the system is not
broken.
It's functioning exactly as it
was designed to exploit, to
exhaust you, to pacify you and
keep you just comfortable
enough to obey.
You've gotten used to
the trauma you've normalized
the abuse.
This is evident homeless
veterans on every corner
families choosing between food
and rent, mental illness,
addiction, despair.
This is not bad luck.
It's policy And you push it on
the diet, you push it and still
most people don't care until it
hits their own doorstep Then it
will eventually the government
will come knocking on their
door and by then it MAY be too
late.
This is not normal.
This is not freedom.
This is an Orwellian dystopia
dressed up as civic progress
and far too many have learned
to love their servitude for
the right price politicians
will sell out the people for
the right illusion of safety or
stability.
The people will sell out their
souls but no more.
The time is now.
It's time to make a shift.
It's time to reclaim our lives
because this isn't living.
It's surviving And a controlled
collapse is not.
Your time is up Maria your
final speaker If you can please
unmute you.
>> Hi, this is Maria's husband
But anyway anyway I'm calling
I'm we're what's going on with
this thing?
We can hear you.
>> Please proceed.
Okay.
Hey, I just wanted to say about
the footnote seven we want to
just put in our word that those
two projects that were passed
under the existence of footnote
seven should be rejected or any
permitting that is on the table
about those two projects.
The memory Lane project and
the Clabber three project.
It seems to me that it was not
best practices and that it was
actually illegal.
The insertion of that footnote
and that any building or
construction that is using put
that footnote is also illegal.
So I want to urge the City
council and air who I still
don't know if if he signed off
on that whether or not he
didn't sign off on it anyway.
>> I just feel like you guys
are kicking the can down
the road and you're just it's a
big waiting game And meanwhile
I hear people on on that board
saying oh yeah and we really
need to change your as one
zoning and blah blah blah Oh
and how all the footnote was a
good thing or you know but I
just wanted to put in my my
rejection in my of those two
projects that were inserted
illegally and do not have
the correct zoning for our area
.
That concludes your comments.
Yes.
And that concludes on agenda
public comment for today's
meeting.
>> The Council PRESIDENT All
right.
Thank you.
City Clerk.
There's not really a protocol
COUNCILMAN Rivera Just would if
I could record a yes vote on
item 200 and he has voted item
to a one, please.
Oh, okay.
You got that?
All right with that, does
the city attorney have anything
to report out from closed
session?
>> There is nothing to report
from closed session today.
All right.
Thank you for that.
So given the hour, I do want to
thank City 24 for keeping us
online in our executive detail
for keeping us safe And to my
council colleagues and all
the members of the public that
showed up very, very much
appreciate your attention to
something that was clearly
important to our city.
We will now adjourn Council to
the next regularly regular
council meeting on Tuesday JUNE
17th, 2025 at 10 A.M..
That is 12 hours and 25 minutes
from now.