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Welcome to the public safety committee meeting of August 19, 2026 in 2 p.m., sorry, we have microphone difficulties. Is that better? Okay.

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Our committee liaison, Sarah Jordan will provide information and instruction for the public to participate today's meeting. Sarah, please proceed.

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Thank you, Chair von Lippert. One members of the public are able to attend the meetings in person. This meeting is being televised and live streamed on the city's website and council administration will continue to make arrangements for the public to comment using the Zoom Webinar platform.

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Members of the public wish to provide testimony via a call-in or an Internet-based service option must enter the virtual speaking queue with in five minutes after a conclusion of in person public testimony or before the virtual speaking queue is exhausted whichever occurs first.

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This will allow for better beating management between the two platforms and ensure the committee is able to manage and conduct city business.

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We appreciate the public's cooperation.

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Thank you all now called the Public Safety Committee meeting of August 19, 2026 to order Sarah please call the rule.

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Vice Chair Campio, your committee member Campbell,

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here, committee member Woodburn, chair of on

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willpert, President. Also attending the meeting today is

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Daniel Orlaw from the Office of the City Attorney,

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but Cooper Tell from the Office of the Independent Budget

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Analyst and Code of Zyzer from the Office of the Mayor.

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Thank you very much for reading the instructions

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and how the public can participate in our meeting.

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We now have a quorum present, so as a agenda order today, we'll be taking an order.

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It'll be item one, item two, item three, and then at the end, we'll be not agenda public

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comments.

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So this will all be in order.

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Do we have any committee, mayor, city attorney, or IBA comments?

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I have two.

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I first want to thank my colleagues, especially Vice Chair Campio for cheering a couple

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a public safety meeting for me while I was out being treated for breast cancer and I'm very glad

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to be back. I'm so my two surgeries I had this summer and I'm grateful that I had access to

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incredible health care and we've got to make sure everyone has access to incredible health care

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that is affordable in this country. So thank you to my colleagues for stepping up low without

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having to be cancer free now and I have one other comment is do you may have seen in the news that

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But Waymo was granted a permit by the State of California to begin operating here in San Diego.

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We, as local city officials, have absolutely no control over whether or not Waymo comes to our city.

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Believe me, we've asked.

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And it's all been done in Sacramento and by the DMV.

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And one thing I have been particularly concerned about is making sure that any autonomous vehicle will interact safely with our public safety first responders.

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whether they'd be our firefighters, police officers, ambulances, and so the most I can do is call

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their government lobbying team and make a big stink about public safety, but if you have

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concerns, always contact your state assembly members, state senators, because they do have control,

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and WAMO has been providing trainings to our first responders, and I look forward to continuing

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to ensure that they do that so that they do interact safely on our streets. I think those are my

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the comments and we'll now move on to our consent agenda, which is item 1, do we have any

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request for constituents?

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Hearing none, do we have any requests to pull from the consent agenda?

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Hearing none, we will now proceed with public comment on the consent agenda.

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Thank you, Chair of the public comment period for the consent agenda is now open.

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The consent agenda includes item number one, which is the approval of the committee minutes

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from June 17th, 2026.

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Chair, we've received no speaker slips here in chambers to speak to item 1 and I am not seeing any hands go up in the virtual queue, so this concludes the public comment period for item 1.

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All right, thank you very much.

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I'll now turn over to any committee members or colleagues for any questions or motion.

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Happy to move a little bit.

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All right.

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And we have a motion in a second.

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Please go.

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And Chair, item number 1 passes unanimously for zero.

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Thank you very much.

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We will now move on to our information agenda because item two, Sarah, please introduce item two.

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Thank you, Chair von Wippert.

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Item number two is the neighborhood policing division update.

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Thank you.

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I believe our presenters are in the overflow room.

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I mean, I need to call them up.

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Welcome. Yeah. Welcome. Thank you. Please have a seat and get settled.

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And when you're ready, please introduce yourself to the record.

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Let us know how much time you'll need for your presentation.

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Okay, Steve Shoboski, I'm the captain of the neighborhood policing division and accompanying me is.

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Lieutenant Matt Bakken, good afternoon.

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How much time do you think you'll need so we can allocate it?

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10 minutes. Okay. Please proceed.

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Good afternoon council members. Today I'm here to give a brief update on San Diego PD's neighborhood policing division.

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specifically how NPD is evolving its approach and how we enforce laws and interact with members of the homeless community and address problems and complaints associated within it.

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Over the past two years NPD, like much of the rest of San Diego PD, has had to find creative ways to deal with budgetary constraints and staffing shortages.

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These are no doubt challenging times, but NPD is committed to providing the highest level of police services when enforcing laws and addressing complaints with a homeless nexus in the city.

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In response to these challenges, NPD is continued to evolve its approach on how we can

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compassionately, but firmly and force laws are related to homelessness, but also partner

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with the city's many civic and community organizations to get people struggling with homelessness,

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substance abuse, addiction, and or untreated mental illness into a safe environment in

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all the streets where they can receive the help they so desperately need.

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Pardon me.

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First, I would like to provide a brief overview on how NPD is structured.

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NPD personnel are divided into seven enforcement teams, two homeless outreach, and the

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intervention services team, as well as an investigative bureau.

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Some of the current responsibilities of NPD's enforcement teams are as follows.

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Go back, please.

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I mean, they're responsible for the enforcement of all laws related to homelessness, including

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drug, alcohol, and quality of life violations, as well as address mental health issues within

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the homeless population.

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They provide security during environmental services division, led city, and delegated main

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and disagreements, which are the freeway of payment operations, which is approximately 6,000 per year.

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They respond to priority requests from the mayors and city council offices, patrol commands, business and community groups,

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etc. for various homeless related issues that negatively affect the community.

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We respond to an average of 3,300 to 3,400 get it done complaints, which averaged us by 42,000 per year,

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and 900 radio calls per month with the homeless nexus.

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conduct periodic nightly, oversized vehicle operations, city-wide.

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They conduct hotspot saturation in areas experiencing high levels of quality of life concerns,

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such as open-air drug use, or illegal encampments.

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And then they support patrol operations and investigations on various special projects in

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events, city-wide, and they provide the primary bravo complement for the department.

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Our two homeless outreach teams offer seven days of week coverage, including a team that works in the

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evening hours and on the weekends. They have many responsibilities, including

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attending regular meetings with various civic and faith-based groups, as well as community groups on various issues involving homelessness,

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they conduct daily proactive outreach assistance and placement to homeless persons.

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So for example, last year, over 5,700 homeless individuals receive some level of assistance from hot officers in 2025,

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and an average of 1,100 individuals were placed into some type of shelter or housing annually based on last three year average.

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They support the City of San Diego homeless strategies and

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the Solutions Department on coordinated homeless outreach efforts

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and then they collaborate with community stakeholders to secure

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placements of persons experiencing homelessness in a shelter housing and

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or facilitated delivery of a variety of services outside of the

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established AISSS HSSD programs.

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Our intervention services team was expanded from a single officer in

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2024 to now consisting of one sergeant and four officers,

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a scaling that is proven to be a force multiplier which has been built on the

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done by a single officer for so long.

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The intervention services team is taking the lead for San Diego PD.

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On many of our most difficult cases involving person suffering from substance use disorder,

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opioid addiction, and or untreated mental illness.

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Some of their functions are they evaluate and address high utilizers of emergency services

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who primarily suffer from mental health and addiction-based afflictions to essentially decrease

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the disproportionate strain those individuals have on the system-wide EMS system.

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At first, often include building weaves of rapport and trust building with these individuals

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along with case development and gathering and organizing of resources to effectively manage

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this particular single any individual they're dealing with.

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They partner with HSSD, San Diego Fire's Rap Team, San Diego County.

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Health and Human Services. Private NCC such as JFS, the Recovery Bridge Center, Father Joe's,

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local hospitals, and more to just increase the collaboration and capacity to mitigate these negative impacts

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on the system. And then they provide training to new officers and conduct operations to address

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locations that are impacted by heavy opioid use such as tailgate park, the C-Street Quarter,

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217th Street, etc. And then new in fiscal year 2027, they administer and manage 700,000 dollars

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of opioid settlement fund distributions for vehicle

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purposes, training, and outreach,

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and alternative to incarceration operations.

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So for example, this additional funding

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will allow the interventional services team

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to go out in a hotspot locations downtown

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that are negatively affected by ramp and open-air drug use.

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Their goal is to specifically address opioid addiction

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on a ground level, as they seek out people

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that are struggling with addiction

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and connect them with many service providers,

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especially in addiction and substance

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that use disorder by taking them to the recovery bridge center.

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These efforts serve two purposes.

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One, it gets people struggling with addiction, office streets, and at least initiates the process of connecting them to programs to treat their addiction rather than incarcerating them in jail.

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Second, it makes our community safer by targeting and addressing one of the biggest drivers of complaints in crime and downtown, which is open air drug use.

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Since we started this program on July 1st, today they've taken 57 different individuals to recover a bridge center instead of jail to start that process of the alternative zone incarceration and connect them with services.

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Okay, one of the basic examples of law enforcement challenges that we face is building trust with communities that are often underserved of a complicated relationship with local police departments.

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Prior to being assigned to NPD, as the captain, I was a lieutenant in a detective sergeant in the homicide unit for approximately four years.

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I spent nearly half of my 30-year career law enforcement care and centralized investigations, and one thing I've learned is that persons who are distrustful of law enforcement often have the perception of everything the lose,

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and nothing to gain by cooperating with an investigation.

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That is why it's so important to build trust with individuals and these those communities.

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That is why NPD has expanded its responsibilities to have a dedicated group of detectives

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whose sole responsibility is to investigate felony persons crimes with a homeless next

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set of central division.

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This includes cases involving homeless on homeless, homeless on a general member of the public,

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or a general member of the public on a homeless individual.

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This way detectives with extensive experience working with people in the homeless community who

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understand the challenges within that are paired with victims of witnesses and even suspects

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in cases that impact them the most.

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So as of 2025, MPD investigations is responsible for handling all generator arrest and crime

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cases, including felony crimes against persons occurring in central division with a homelessness

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nexus.

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In 2025, they handled 909 cases that were received with 533 from central division.

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The majority of those cases are crimes against persons and new for fiscal year 27.

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They will be working with ESD on to investigate and administrate illegal dumping cases primarily in district 4, which affects south eastern and in mid city division on a lot of

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You'd have these are cases where people are dumping large quantities with their home renovations and just dumping them in neighborhood

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So we're going to focus on that to just hold those companies any individuals accountable for that

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In regards to staffing and PD is not immune to the overall staffing challenges

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San Diego PD as a whole has faced in recent years.

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This is reflecting our current staffing

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and the overall downward trend over the past several years.

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This is reflected in the trend you see here.

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So our total number of PO2s,

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which are our season officers,

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currently assigned as decreased from 2020,

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we had 65 down to 2026, 39,

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which only 34 are currently available.

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Essentially, what that does,

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that represents a 52% decrease in our staffing since 2020.

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One of the ways that we've essentially make up for this is these last two years dealing with

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the staffing disorders we've had to be creative and how we mitigate our use of overtime

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in different methodology to make up for that gap.

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So that includes the temporary assignment of every academy class to MPD for a period of three

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months.

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So after completing phase training, this temporary assignment serves a dual purpose.

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First, it augments our MPD staffing levels to where we can essentially accomplish our mission.

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It puts us that makes us whole again to 2020 levels.

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Second, it gives every officer on San Diego PD,

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valuable on-the-job training on how to interact

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with numbers of the homeless community.

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Officers gain value experience

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and then a basic understanding of how to compassionately

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yet firmly enforce laws related to homelessness,

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while also learning how to connect

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with San Diego PD's homeless outreach teams.

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After three months, that academic class

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then takes that knowledge to the respective patrol

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commands citywide and then a new academy class begins.

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So essentially what occurs is, these PO1s,

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Every San Diego P officer now receives on-the-job training

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and experience on how to interact with homeless individuals

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citywide, and it allows us to augment our staffing,

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which is a lot as to continue to maintain our mission.

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But I will say there are some challenges they vary in size.

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We have four teams that are dedicated to central division

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with one working the weekend,

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and one specifically for East Village,

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one for gas lamp, and then one that rolls around central

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division as a whole, and then after three other teams

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that are divided geographically with the city,

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with the two hot teams that I mentioned in our intervention

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services team.

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The last two years, an MPDSC numerous changes that have coincided with the renewed emphasis on tackling

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homeless challenge in San Diego head-on, when comparing and reviewing data over the past

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two years, MPDS noted the following significant data points.

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So comparing 2023 to 2025, the assistance accepted by homeless persons is about 5,500 homeless

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individuals annually, placed 1100 into shelters or housing on a three year average, felony

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arrest for up 60 percent, misdemeanor arrest for up 72 percent, misdemeanor sites are up 28 percent.

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11550 arrests, which are persons that are under the influence of the controlled substance.

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It's up 114%, persons that are essentially drunk in public.

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That is up 121%, encroachment, contacts, and FIs are up 61%, fractions are up 52%,

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misdemeanor sites are up 21%, and rest are up 42%.

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Since we started oversized vehicle operations that started city-wide, there's been approximately

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6700 citations issued, and nearly 800 individuals have been referred to in the

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sleeping program.

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This data reflects an evolving philosophy at MPD where our primary goal is to be as efficient as possible with the limited resources we have while dealing the highest level of police services.

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The communities within San Diego. Next slide please.

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So some additional changes that have occurred.

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At MPD is there's an increased emphasis on open air drug use violations in downtown San Diego.

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For example, Comic Con, the day that it began, there was an operation that targeted open air drug use downtown.

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It's not sure this was just officers walking around downtown.

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It ended up resulting in 39 arrests.

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That particular day, 1968, 19 were recited on misdemeanors.

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Other people were booked in a jail for various drug crimes.

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Re-vamped overtime model, which is a result

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in a significant cost savings.

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The implementation of NPD funded Trism and Transport

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that the entire retirement utilizes,

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which reduces how to service time for all officers department

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wide.

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The restart of OVO enforcement in VHO,

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outreach efforts for persons experiencing homelessness

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who live out their vehicles and expansion of NPD investigations to focus on felony persons crimes

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within the homeless community as central division and parts of the coastal riverbed community.

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Better collaboration with the city and district attorney's office, resulting in increased

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issuing rates, partnership and participation in the upcoming San Diego Collaborative Court, which

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essentially is, it's a new model that's going to essentially be the drug court model that

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is specifically for people that are struggling with mental illness and substance abuse addiction,

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So the presiding court of San Diego court is going to be launching that particular program.

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We will be participating with that.

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Obviously, a two-year decline in un-chothered homelessness in the city of 12 and 5% respectively.

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And then our expansion of intervention services from one officer to an entire team.

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Next slide.

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Okay, some changes in terms of our case issuance and submission.

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We have really focused on increased our training with our officers, just what working

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with the city attorney's office and district attorney's office on what we can do.

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to have a highest level of efficiency in terms of when we're having cases.

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So in 2024 and PD submitted 849 cases, the issue rate was 34%.

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It's gone up to 38% in 2025 and then as of NPD year to date,

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which is covers the first two quarters of 2026 issue and right now is up to 49%.

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We have higher issue rates, what that means is officers are running better reports,

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they're following better legal principles, they're following the law more importantly.

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What we don't want is cases that are not issued because that doesn't result in anything.

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Essentially somebody might go to get a ticket or go to jail in the cases in issues.

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We want to have a 100% issuing rate because that means everything is being done absolutely

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by the book.

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Encroachment citations in issuing rate has gone up from 14% to 26% year to date 37% where you've

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really seen the spike is in drug cases.

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There is my or a renewed emphasis on tackling open air drug use.

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In 2024, there was 226 cases, 225 went up to 433, and 226 is found up to 309, with on-pays for

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618 or 173 percent increase year over year.

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So the issue in rate in those cases is continued to climb from 46 percent to 54 percent to 66.5 percent.

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Yes, please.

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Okay, so some other things to talk about, just how we do our expenditures, one of the things

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that we did is we've really looked at MPD's over time model and how can we be more efficient

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in deploying our officers in the field.

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So we revamped it completely.

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We focused on putting officers in the field during times

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that the public is out the most.

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So our overtime model is really revamped.

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For example, on the weekends, we have them work generally.

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And overtime model said that it used to be a 24-hour patrol-based model

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realistically because of just laws that we have.

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And when services are available, we focus that now on 7 a.m. to 3 p.m.

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and then 1 p.m. to 9 p.m.

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With an emphasis on having officers present, available,

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and out in the community, at places where the public is using shared spaces, and that's our

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mango.

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It employs, it gives a sense of safety to folks, it allows them to see officers out there,

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they're approachable, they're available, officers can explain exactly what they're doing with

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folks, and it does create that sense of safety, which is what we want everybody in San Diego

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to feel.

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So just by reducing our over time model from 2023 to 2024, we reduce our over time by 800,000

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dollars from over time budget, that response is continued to be reduced, so in response

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just to the pending fiscal challenges.

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We've been able to reduce last year for fiscal year 2026.

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This is a slight typo, it's not a zero at the end,

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which is good, it was 516,000, we reduced our overtime budget.

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So the total reduction since 2023,

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we reduced it down about 1.364 million dollars reduced

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from our overtime budget while delivering better services

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and expanding our outreach efforts,

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which homelessness outreach has been doubled in size since I've

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been there and increased in the intervention services team.

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So since we're trying to do more

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with the letter by spending less money.

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Next slide.

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Some of the other positive that we've done, oh excuse me.

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I want to add one or thing in there.

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So in addition to some of these reductions of over time,

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one of the things that we've been able to do is

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is reduce the get it done whole time.

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So the get it done response time had an average whole time of 10 days

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with a high average of 27 days and 23.

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It's been reduced and 25 down to an average whole time of 5.6 days

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with a high of 10 days.

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This is due to increased efficiency and how we have officers respond in the implementation of utilizing RSVPs to check order complaints in farther reaches of the cities.

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Today, RSVPs have handled approximately 9,000 different get-it-done complaints for us by going out there seeing this an active encounter.

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It's just trash. It's just trash. It's just trash. We can have ESD respond. It saves an officer from driving out to some of the farther reaches in the city.

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It's an active encampment, and we have an officer deployed there more quickly and more efficiently.

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So, essentially, it cost of zero to have that, and that's nine thousand less times

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an officer to driving around.

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One of the things that we've also tried to do at MPD is to be as transparent and possible

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with what we do, why we do, and our philosophy and mentality behind it.

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We've encouraged every news outlet in San Diego to come on ride-alongs with our enforcement

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and outreach teams, and this has resulted in a lot of positive news stories that I think showcased

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It's a good work being done by officers.

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Homeless is a complex issue.

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It's something that I think everybody wants to solve it,

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but the way we solve it is going to vary.

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I'm depending on the energy you're speaking to you.

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But considering how many complex situations

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that homeless individuals are experiencing,

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we want to afford every opportunity for them to interact.

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So by having members of the media right with us

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and be transparent, I think it builds trust

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with the community as a whole.

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It builds trust with the media organizations

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to show that there's nothing to hide here.

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We're an open book, everybody gets to read it.

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And I think that's resulted in a lot of positive news stories that are out there.

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Next slide.

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That's going to wrap up our presentations today.

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Thank you for your time City Council.

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Any questions?

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Thank you very much.

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And Sarah, please take any public comment on this item.

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Thank you, Chair von Woper.

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We've received three speaker slips here in Chambers.

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We will begin testimony with Lori Lipman.

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You will be followed by Joyce and Yada and Lori Saltownia.

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And each speaker will have two minutes to speak to item number two.

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Welcome back, I'm Lori Lipsman, District 3,

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from now on, she, her.

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I'm am concerned about the neighborhood policing.

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I'd feel personally, it does not bring safety to any neighborhood.

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Having police around increases as was shown in the slide,

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a rest after a rest after a rest after a rest after a rest after a rest.

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is by arresting and incarcerating people or do we stop the problems that are causing these issues

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before they get to the street. Money could be much more better spent on the resources to prevent

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these and not having more police on our streets. That's all I have to say. Thank you.

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Thank you. Joyce and Yada?

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Okay. Welcome back, everybody.

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STPD, thank you so much. Very solid presentation. It's good work, important work. So from

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the Stanford port, here's the things I really liked. Responding to community concerns,

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quality of life and safety out of five entities enforcement.

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Homeless outreach and resourcing, individual outreach and resourcing, homeless cases, investigations, get it done, request, wow, great success with it. I love get it done. Each entity, detailed overview, empirical data, re-outcomes and challenges, changes over the past two years, a lot of great stuff in there. Thank you, a wonderful staff report.

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from the presentation, excellent info, 52% decrease in staffing since 2020, yet eight windows

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show data percent showing great progress. This is from me. How did these miracles happen?

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How did you make all these miracles happen with all these shortfalls? I don't get it. Thank you.

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Love you for that. So since 2023, total over time reduction, one million, three, six, four,

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nine, eight, one, five stars to chief wall and all the others who made this happen. This whole

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process, all of you, chief wall, you came out of the gate with trust at the top of your priority list.

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Thank you for that. You have my strong support for everything you're doing for San Diego and all of us.

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So I love to the Chief, love to SDPT and love to all. Thank you.

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Thank you. Our next speaker is Lori Saldonio.

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Good afternoon and thank you for the report.

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When I was serving in the legislature and chair of the housing committee, we used to say that housing is healthcare.

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And what you are experiencing, I believe, or people that don't have housing by and large.

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And it's no wonder that they are self-medicating.

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Behavioral health issues with alcohol and drugs.

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We're asking you to treat symptoms.

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And the council, frankly, is not doing enough to treat the causes of what is causing homelessness

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and then the situations that people end up, especially being cited for encroachment.

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Let me just say encroachment was created for objects, not for people.

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And the fact that you have a 61% enforcement increase in encroachment is really a failure to deal with people.

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They're not objects to be moved, and yet that's the citation that it is often used to just move people away from places that you don't want them to be.

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And there is a term for those places, third space, which is it's not work, it's not home, it's a place people can be safely and spend time and not be surveilled and not be policed.

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And this city Plaza, outside this building, used to be one of those, and during COVID, actually

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was during the premiere of Top Gun, all the benches were removed from the Plaza.

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It is no longer a third space where people can comfortably stay and legally stay.

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And so what happens is they get pushed into areas that they're not wanted, and they sense

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that they're not wanted.

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and increasingly they act out from that stress

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if not feeling part of the community

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because we have destroyed public third spaces.

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And private third spaces are expensive.

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You have to buy something to stay in a coffee shop.

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So I have great compassion for the police department

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trying to do its best to manage homelessness.

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That's not your job.

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And so managing homelessness in this manner

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will never succeed until you all do a better job

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providing housing and not getting rid of housing with short-term vacation rentals, for example.

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Thank you. Thank you. And our final speaker is Darth Vader.

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This council has done well. I am pleased and so is the Chomoe Emperor.

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What we have given too much money to our libraries. Too much money to our parks. We need STPD to have

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More money, more money for the emperor to rule over the entire universe.

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Once the Death Star has been completed, no one will be able to rebel against us.

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We will be the ultimate power in the universe.

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We do not need parks, we do not need libraries, we do not need daycare centers, we do not

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need homeless shelters, all we need is money for our stormtroopers.

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and anyone that disagrees is part of the rebel alliance and a scum and they should be taken away immediately.

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This council needs to understand that we are the ultimate power in the universe,

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and we will not succumb to the forces of democratic will.

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No, this council was elected to serve the police, not the public.

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And if our stormtroopers don't receive all the funding that they deserve, they will be held to pay with the emperor.

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And he is not as forgiving as I.

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Thank you.

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This concludes testimony here in Chambers.

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So I will begin the five-minute timer for all those in the virtual queue to indicate if they wish to provide a comment on item number two at this time.

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As a reminder, each speaker will have two minutes.

448
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We currently have two hands raised and we will begin with Darwin.

449
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Please unmute and begin.

450
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:53,770
after

451
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noon, Darwin, e-campus,

452
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:03,210
responsible debts of coalition at San Diego.

453
00:36:03,850 --> 00:36:08,030
And I just wanted to say that I used to be on the old CRB

454
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:09,630
community review board on police practices.

455
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:10,970
And I did write a once.

456
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:13,670
So I would share with the city council based on this

457
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:16,450
presentation that you asked the following questions.

458
00:36:17,230 --> 00:36:19,310
With those numbers up and falling with lawyers,

459
00:36:19,470 --> 00:36:22,070
how do I just, with those numbers up and arresting people?

460
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:25,410
How many of those people arrested come back out on the street

461
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and are still on house and then get arrested again

462
00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:34,030
And again, and again, when I was on a ride along in Western Division with a young rookie cop,

463
00:36:34,450 --> 00:36:40,010
he's shared with me one of the people he arrested on on-house community for being at a 7-11,

464
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and also struggling mental health because he was clearly screaming, and he was also not obeying

465
00:36:46,610 --> 00:36:52,230
their commands, they arrested him, and he shared with me that that person had been arrested over 100 times.

466
00:36:52,590 --> 00:36:56,050
And most likely, next week, he was going to have to arrest that person again for something similar.

467
00:36:57,210 --> 00:37:02,650
arresting people and putting them in jail, not a solution. As Lori said, if you don't provide housing,

468
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:07,870
you don't help people get out of the situation. Then all of the work that police are doing,

469
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:13,410
even if it's wonderful work and supporting them, is not going to succeed. It's not going to be a

470
00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:19,450
police and law enforcement solution that's going to ultimately solve this. The jails are public housing,

471
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:24,950
that is not the best way to provide affordable housing for people and healthcare. Clearly,

472
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:32,530
If you want to actually reduce those numbers, that's not something we proud of in terms of the numbers going up and the place doing more with homelessness

473
00:37:33,310 --> 00:37:40,900
Get health and human services work with the county partner with other cities and find actual solutions. Thank you

474
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Thank you for your comment

475
00:37:44,730 --> 00:37:48,950
Our next speaker is Daniel Perno. Please unmute and begin.

476
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,110
Oh, that was awkward. Okay. I think I'm unmuted now

477
00:37:59,990 --> 00:38:00,930
Hey, good afternoon.

478
00:38:01,450 --> 00:38:02,570
Yeah, my name's Dan Pernell.

479
00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:08,810
I'm, you know, San Diego resident for a while, former Marine officer, combat veterans.

480
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:11,350
So, not that that really matters, right?

481
00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:12,670
Because nothing matters anymore.

482
00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:18,290
But like I've been problem with the city council and with the San Diego police department,

483
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right, as I do many people do.

484
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:23,210
We're talking all this, you know, we're doing all this great outreach, you know, arresting

485
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:28,130
unhoused people outside of 7-11 and I get it, you don't want people doing drugs that are

486
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:33,110
and drugs, cool, whatever, but why are we spending time talking about the police arresting

487
00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:38,290
people who are unhoused when we have this huge problem with non enough housing in San Diego?

488
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:41,570
So, like some of the other speakers said, we should probably address that issue.

489
00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:46,290
At the same time, city spending tons and tons of money on flocks or vallets cameras

490
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:49,350
to warrantlessly surveil the people.

491
00:38:50,290 --> 00:38:55,370
We know cops use flocks to go stalk their ex-girlfriends, and it's not just me saying that.

492
00:38:55,570 --> 00:38:57,630
There's plenty of articles that talk about that.

493
00:38:57,630 --> 00:39:06,630
The city government wrongfully arrested someone on parole, which is not the city government, the city police department got hit on someone with a flock camera.

494
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:09,770
Turns out it wasn't the right guy and he spent a month in jail.

495
00:39:09,790 --> 00:39:12,250
There's good arts technical report about that.

496
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:14,810
So this is honestly really, really disappointing, right?

497
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:17,590
Like I spent a lot of my 20s.

498
00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:19,630
We're spent a good summer in my mid 20s.

499
00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:23,690
Sleeping in Baghdad Iraq with two tournaments next to my bed.

500
00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:26,970
In case a rocket blew one of my legs off in the middle of the night or arms.

501
00:39:26,970 --> 00:39:33,510
So I'd stop myself from bleeding to death and the reason I say that is because I've sacrificed for this country as have a lot of people

502
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:39,110
So all I'm asking the city council and the city police department to do not to risk life-limber eyesight

503
00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:44,810
But just to stand up for these rights that you know myself and all these other great Americans signed up to defend right

504
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:51,470
So please enough of the talk of oh, we're doing a lot. No, you guys are not you're you're bowing the knee to you know

505
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:57,590
to our overlords. So great job. Steve Whitburn going to try and vote you out. Honestly,

506
00:39:57,730 --> 00:40:00,270
you would take a wipe bag at this point. Thank you.

507
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:04,710
Thank you, your time has concluded. And with no other hands raised in the virtual queue,

508
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this terminates public comment on item number two.

509
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:12,910
Thank you very much. And I'll turn over to my colleagues for any comments or questions,

510
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but no, this is an integral item. So no motion necessary.

511
00:40:15,590 --> 00:40:16,670
Thank you, Ms. Councillor Whitburn.

512
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:19,270
Thank you very much, Chair. Thank you, Captain.

513
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:21,210
Thank you, Lieutenant, very much appreciate the presentation.

514
00:40:21,830 --> 00:40:27,830
Thank you to the members of the public who commented on this, and I particularly want to

515
00:40:27,830 --> 00:40:33,830
think those of you who acknowledge the fact that such a key part of the solution to homelessness

516
00:40:33,830 --> 00:40:41,810
is adding housing. It is absolutely essential. It is something that this city has been focused on.

517
00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:48,430
This city council has been focused on. We have added more housing in the last several years that

518
00:40:48,430 --> 00:40:51,870
we have added in San Diego in a long time,

519
00:40:52,810 --> 00:40:56,750
and we are beginning to see reds stabilize.

520
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:59,490
But I will also say this.

521
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Some of the longest meetings that we have

522
00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:05,990
in these council chambers are when this room is packed

523
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:09,150
with people who are opposing a housing project.

524
00:41:09,930 --> 00:41:12,710
So for those of you who genuinely believe

525
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:15,250
that part of the solution to homelessness

526
00:41:15,250 --> 00:41:18,310
is adding housing, I hope you will come down here

527
00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:24,810
advocate for more housing at those times when people are opposing it. We need the housing. There's no

528
00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:31,990
question about it. In the meantime, as that housing is built, we do need to help people get off the

529
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:39,490
streets. Living on the streets is very unsafe for the people who are living on them. One piece of good

530
00:41:39,490 --> 00:41:46,670
news is that we have seen a decrease in street homelessness over the last few years in San Diego.

531
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:51,770
And with that decrease in street homelessness, we have also seen a

532
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:55,970
commensurate decrease in the number of people experiencing homelessness who have died.

533
00:41:56,610 --> 00:42:02,130
The medical examiners records have showed a decline in the number of deaths among homeless

534
00:42:02,130 --> 00:42:08,150
people at the same time as we have seen a decline in the number of people who are

535
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:09,110
living on the streets.

536
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:14,590
So there is a real benefit to helping people get into housing and if the housing is

537
00:42:14,590 --> 00:42:19,810
available to help them get into shelters or into safe sleeping.

538
00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:24,710
And there is a lot of work being done around that.

539
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:30,070
We have nonprofit outreach teams that are connecting with people experiencing homelessness

540
00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:36,810
and the police department and the neighborhood policing division is an important part of that process as well.

541
00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:43,410
To that end, one of the concerns that I had had, we saw a pretty significant decrease in

542
00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:54,410
We saw a 65% decrease in the number of people living on the streets over about a two and a half year period, but that has started the level off because

543
00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:59,650
our shelters are full, our safe sleeping sites are full.

544
00:43:00,230 --> 00:43:10,030
Are you running into situations where you are encountering people who are willing to accept shelter, but there is not a shelter that available for them?

545
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:15,830
Great question. Yes. So let me have Lieutenant Watkins and Charter Homeless Outreach

546
00:43:15,830 --> 00:43:20,230
seemed to give you the numbers on folks that are willing to have shelter but we have

547
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to refuse them because essentially it's that capacity.

548
00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:29,670
Thank you. So the the number that you're referring to we title as accepted but rejected

549
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:35,190
due to capacity and that is when someone accepts going into services but they're rejected

550
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:39,370
because of capacity, that number is 2,225 people.

551
00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:42,570
2,000.

552
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:47,450
That's completely unacceptable from my standpoint.

553
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:54,490
I mean, sure there are individuals who don't want to come off the streets.

554
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:58,310
But when you've got that many people who are on the streets who want to come off the streets

555
00:43:58,310 --> 00:44:03,610
and the city does not have the capacity to help them off the streets.

556
00:44:03,610 --> 00:44:13,230
that is unacceptable and it also goes to a myth that I think that we all need to do a good

557
00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:19,670
job of busting and that is this idea that everybody who is out there on the streets wants

558
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:23,170
to be out there that all these people are out on the streets don't want help they don't

559
00:44:23,170 --> 00:44:27,910
walk that is false sure there are some people who don't but there are a lot of people

560
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:32,290
who are out on the streets right now who desperately want to come indoors and to a shelter

561
00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:38,330
bed, get help, go into safe sleeping, but the city does not have the resources to do that.

562
00:44:39,490 --> 00:44:43,730
And that is one of the reasons why I've been such a strong advocate for more shelter beds.

563
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:48,610
And I hope that we're able to add additional shelter beds and safe sleeping sites and that

564
00:44:48,610 --> 00:44:50,370
that will help you do your job.

565
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:57,670
One other question that I have for you, and the last question, has to do with the decrease

566
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:58,470
in staffing.

567
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:59,810
Uh, the brothers.

568
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,960
A significant drop in staffing levels that your division has experienced that I appreciate all that you've done to try to operate more efficiently, do more with less, as you said.

569
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:17,340
And I see that what have been the ramifications of having less staffing in the division?

570
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:24,280
Great question. If I could just piggyback on the previous question, just one thing I want to make clear.

571
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And when we do someone that accepts a shelter bed and we're not available to do capacity,

572
00:45:28,540 --> 00:45:30,180
we are not siding our resting them.

573
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,220
That is not our policy.

574
00:45:31,420 --> 00:45:32,260
Because that's just a case.

575
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:34,520
That's why the issuing rate was so low the city turns off.

576
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:35,860
So we really got rid of that.

577
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:39,520
There's no point in if someone wants a bed to cite them for unsaid camping.

578
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,520
That's not practical.

579
00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:42,340
It's not very humane.

580
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,940
What is happening now is we're contacting a lot of folks that are violating law for whatever

581
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:47,540
reason downtown.

582
00:45:47,780 --> 00:45:48,680
I'm going to use that as an example.

583
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,140
And we talked about that persistent number and you brought it up.

584
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:56,880
In 2021, I'm going off memory, the overdose rate for drug overdoses in the county was up

585
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,240
869%.

586
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,680
So what we are saying is there's still a persistent drug epidemic that is occurring out

587
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,080
on the streets.

588
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,980
So we're trying to address that underlying issue with opioid cell lymphones, many to start

589
00:46:08,980 --> 00:46:10,120
rather than with jail.

590
00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:11,320
We don't want that.

591
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,100
Let's start them with recovery, bridge center, and go from there.

592
00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:17,420
There's going to be persistent cases, unfortunately, that jail is going to have to be,

593
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:17,980
but it's still.

594
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That's why we are one hundred percent on board with San Diego collaborative court is to find

595
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:25,340
an alternative car situation model for someone who,

596
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,480
because we do have about 3,300 people this year

597
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,580
that have refused any shelter even if it was available.

598
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,540
So we do have some people that are affected by addiction

599
00:46:31,540 --> 00:46:33,340
and we understand that our goal

600
00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:36,000
is not to wear how people that are homeless in prison

601
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,780
for drug violations.

602
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,400
Our goal is to get them off drugs,

603
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,380
get them to help they need.

604
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,320
So they can have a stable life

605
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when shelter or home housing is available.

606
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,700
So I just wanted to kind of conclude that.

607
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:46,620
Regarding this, the staffing challenge,

608
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:50,040
I think the way we, it's impacted

609
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,740
and how we do some things that we do, and we want to do.

610
00:46:52,780 --> 00:46:55,160
For example, it's very important that we engage

611
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,900
in the best concepts of community policing.

612
00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:59,440
One of the things that I task every of our officers

613
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,100
to spend two hours a week walking around downtown

614
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:03,720
is go down there and just interact.

615
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,420
So remember the public and approach officers

616
00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:06,780
see what they're doing rather than they're in a car

617
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:07,600
waiting in the light.

618
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,960
And honestly, it's a terrible act that

619
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,060
when officers are in a car and they drive by some situation

620
00:47:11,060 --> 00:47:12,420
because they may not see it.

621
00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:14,860
So we want to engage in, get it done in response time.

622
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:16,320
We'd love that to be under three days,

623
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,520
but we're not able to do that.

624
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,040
We want to respond to anything that could be a fire risk as quickly as we can with the

625
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,520
pending El Nino season that we're looking at.

626
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,140
We want to get out into the river bed and get out and contact folks, get them out reach

627
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:32,560
to where they're one, not subject to flash flood and their lives and data.

628
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,720
And two, we don't want to encampments to build in those locations where clogged storm drains

629
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:40,260
with debris, trash, and then it impacts those neighborhoods around there.

630
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,860
We have flood and like we saw in SouthCourse in 2024.

631
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,520
So it's a multifaceted approach.

632
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:51,520
One thing that is really augmented is the assignment of the temporary assignment of new officers

633
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,300
out of the Academy of Chief Walls started doing when he came.

634
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:59,440
I think that is one of those critical ways we're able to get out there and engage and complete

635
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,220
our mission and interact with homosokes.

636
00:48:01,540 --> 00:48:06,280
If we didn't have the new officers come through, we couldn't have taken the intervention services

637
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,460
team and take it from one officer to four in the sergeant.

638
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:10,360
We couldn't double the size of our homosot rich.

639
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:15,060
We understand that if we're going to be out there and contacting more folks and potentially

640
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:22,120
arresting more folks or engaging them in whatever enforcement activity we need to have a mechanism in place to receive those folks when they do

641
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,220
And I will say even though and I want to give you the number

642
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,240
187 people as of July 31st of this year except it's some level of assistance from

643
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,860
Homeless outreach so they might not have had a bed available to the capacity but we were able to help them get their

644
00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:40,760
Identification a system and completing a Medicaid or VA application for generally

645
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,700
give a ride to the DMV or medical or a counseling appointment, things like that.

646
00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:49,660
Those numbers can be impacted by staffing and we have officers that are heard, have to attend

647
00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:53,820
mandatory training, things of that nature, but anytime we have more officers we're able

648
00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:58,380
to be out in the public more engaged with more people and unlocking those issues that might

649
00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:02,980
be keeping somebody homeless. So more staffing is going to help with that.

650
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,140
Thank you. Thank you, Bradford, those questions. Thank you for not arresting people who

651
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:14,460
accept resources. Thank you for offering those resources to people and for all of your efforts

652
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:19,900
to respond to the community. It's one of the things that you hear about and I hear about

653
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:25,380
in our office from community members who have concerns around these issues as well. So certainly

654
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:31,340
more resources would be useful both for housing and for homelessness that appreciate the very

655
00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:38,120
hard work that you and your team, all the officers do with this regard. Thank you. Thank you,

656
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,400
Thank you very much. Now with your phone call, so we're able.

657
00:49:41,060 --> 00:49:46,280
Thank you so much. Thank you, Captain, and Lieutenant, for your presentation, and for all

658
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,380
your hard work. Obviously, you know how to do things efficiently and unless of a dime, which

659
00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:58,920
is really important for us. I, in hearing the questions from the public and the comments

660
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:06,720
from the public, first of all, let me just say, do not mix up the police,

661
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:13,320
They root police in division, helping the homeless people with arresting the homeless people.

662
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:20,800
They're making the rest of criminals, they are not arresting homeless people because they're homeless.

663
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,540
So I'm afraid you have conflated things.

664
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,780
I know it's different than it used to be, but we are much more humane than we used to be, and we have learned a lot.

665
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:41,540
So, the other thing I want to say is how much I agree with my colleague about needing more

666
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shoulder beds.

667
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:48,740
Obviously, 2225 more people need a shoulder beds and we had available.

668
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:55,220
Once we get people into shoulder, we can give them the wrap-around services, discuss all

669
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:59,680
the problems that have led to their homelessness and help them to no longer be homeless.

670
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:05,740
And so it's a very important that we continue to improve our care for the homeless and our

671
00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:08,880
sheltering of the homeless and giving them these services.

672
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:15,660
And I really appreciate the police taking a big part in that, which is really, I've been

673
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:21,080
here eight years and this is really a big jump upward and it's so helpful.

674
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:29,160
And so I just can't congratulate you enough for all the good you have done in reducing

675
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:36,940
crime with even less of a force than you than you've had in the past. And being so humanity

676
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:46,580
oriented is very much appreciated. So this is significant work. This is the work of the good

677
00:51:46,580 --> 00:51:53,270
guys. And I recognize the officers and staff who are making this happen and appreciated so much.

678
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:58,810
Yeah, what you've done is truly remarkable and amazing with such little resources.

679
00:51:59,770 --> 00:52:07,910
And that is why our office helped so much to get that $700,000 of the opioid settlement

680
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:12,030
so that you could have that money to help with these intervention services.

681
00:52:12,930 --> 00:52:23,250
And thank you, I mean, helping over a thousand homeless of the 5,000 over 5,000 that you

682
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:31,850
success rate. And this is really quite quite good. We need to, we want to improve to 100 percent,

683
00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:37,550
but we really, really appreciate that everything you have done. And we appreciate you making the public

684
00:52:37,550 --> 00:52:46,130
place much more safe for all of us by arresting the criminals and the drug dealers. So thank you so much

685
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:49,790
and keep up a good work or so proud of you. Thank you.

686
00:52:53,310 --> 00:52:54,750
Thank you. If you want to answer a question,

687
00:52:54,750 --> 00:52:57,290
Captain, you look like you're ready to answer a question.

688
00:52:58,010 --> 00:53:01,450
The only thing I wanted to add in just from the public comment that I heard is actually

689
00:53:01,450 --> 00:53:08,750
our encroachment arrest, they're down 22%, so we're actually trying to do less arrests for

690
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:12,550
someone for encroachment, but what we are seeing is we're contacting someone for encroachment,

691
00:53:12,910 --> 00:53:14,750
and that's why you see the drug arrest.

692
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:18,330
Really, that's what we're tackling, is there so many folks that are just struggling with

693
00:53:18,330 --> 00:53:19,110
addiction out there?

694
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:22,750
And that's why with the opi, it's said when we're trying to divert people by having an

695
00:53:22,750 --> 00:53:24,530
and go out and take them straight to RBC.

696
00:53:24,730 --> 00:53:25,870
Okay, let's get them to recovery bridge,

697
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:28,510
start with the lowest level where it's not an arrest on a record

698
00:53:28,510 --> 00:53:30,070
that's impacts them from getting a career.

699
00:53:30,490 --> 00:53:32,030
But I appreciate Councilman and Councilman and Councilman.

700
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:33,730
There are people that are dealing drugs on the streets

701
00:53:33,730 --> 00:53:35,250
and there are people that are using drugs on the streets.

702
00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:37,530
And that's not tolerable.

703
00:53:37,690 --> 00:53:39,310
So you have someone using friends from 10 in the morning

704
00:53:39,310 --> 00:53:40,490
on the corner of the street.

705
00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:42,870
So we're out there, even though some numbers are down,

706
00:53:43,330 --> 00:53:44,910
we're trying to move away from that

707
00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:47,150
and focus on the things that are really core drivers,

708
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:49,550
which is addiction and mental illness.

709
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:52,330
Thank you.

710
00:53:52,330 --> 00:53:55,570
So thank you for your presentation and the work you're doing.

711
00:53:56,190 --> 00:53:57,510
You have a lot on your plate.

712
00:53:59,570 --> 00:54:00,650
And one, I have a couple of questions.

713
00:54:00,830 --> 00:54:04,050
One is, how much is neighborhood police division

714
00:54:04,050 --> 00:54:07,970
able to do proactive outreach rather than just having to respond

715
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:08,870
to get it done requests?

716
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:13,290
I would say most of what we do is it's a hybrid.

717
00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:16,050
So we might get just a simple complaint that starts

718
00:54:16,050 --> 00:54:19,030
as, hey, there's a homeless guy in the park, or can we deal with them?

719
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:20,890
Our goal is not that that's a complaint goal.

720
00:54:20,890 --> 00:54:22,890
our goals, hey, let's go out and contact them,

721
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:25,110
figure out what's going on, if they're committing a crime,

722
00:54:25,290 --> 00:54:26,230
then we have to deal with that.

723
00:54:26,590 --> 00:54:29,110
But if it's something that we can, our first path is always,

724
00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:31,110
what is going on with that individual,

725
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:32,870
and can we try services first?

726
00:54:33,010 --> 00:54:34,210
Every contact begins with, hey,

727
00:54:34,330 --> 00:54:35,970
which you accept the shelter, but it won't be available.

728
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:37,750
And then we find those individuals,

729
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:40,890
and we talk about, I mentioned in the Interim Manager Services,

730
00:54:41,050 --> 00:54:43,670
a guy was arrested 161 times in your district,

731
00:54:43,830 --> 00:54:44,610
Council Member Campbell.

732
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:45,890
That's not good for anybody.

733
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:48,070
So, intervention services got involved,

734
00:54:48,330 --> 00:54:50,690
and that's why we're really committed to having those programs,

735
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:53,290
to divert people away from prison and jail,

736
00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:56,490
but also not just leaving them in the park hoping that today's

737
00:54:56,490 --> 00:54:57,610
the day they're going to accept services.

738
00:54:57,810 --> 00:54:58,810
There has to be a middle path.

739
00:54:59,190 --> 00:55:01,130
And that's why we've expanded so much on our homeless outreach,

740
00:55:01,310 --> 00:55:05,210
intervention services is for those individuals

741
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:07,610
that are really kind of stuck in the middle, right?

742
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:08,970
We don't want them to end up in prison

743
00:55:08,970 --> 00:55:10,490
because they end up committing a felony

744
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:12,810
because they're on a drug fueled episode.

745
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:15,490
But we also don't want to just leave them there.

746
00:55:15,610 --> 00:55:16,990
And if they say, no, I don't want to shelter today,

747
00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:17,810
then we just walk away.

748
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:19,230
That's what we're trying to find in the middle path.

749
00:55:19,230 --> 00:55:23,150
So it's a blend, but most of it starts with complaint driven, it's not an officer's driver

750
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:29,090
on looking for someone, it starts with that, but the approach always begins with not a

751
00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:33,330
criminalization approach, it's a help approach and then from there, the officers are expected

752
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:34,730
to use a good judgment and go from there.

753
00:55:34,990 --> 00:55:39,190
That's why it's so important that every officer now, for standing a police officer, never policing,

754
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:43,630
so when they go and work whatever corner of the city they work and they understand, oh, I

755
00:55:43,630 --> 00:55:47,170
know officer so and so for almost, I got their cell phone number, I can call them and then

756
00:55:47,170 --> 00:55:51,570
that angle rather than just simply going to an arrest for encroachment or whatever else

757
00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:51,950
out there.

758
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:54,810
And then the person just cycled in and out of criminal justice, and we're trying to

759
00:55:54,810 --> 00:55:56,050
evolve with that.

760
00:55:56,730 --> 00:55:58,090
So, tell me more about intervention services.

761
00:55:59,130 --> 00:56:02,870
So, intervention services used to be one-offs during what they specialize in is they deal

762
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:08,470
with our cases that are the most difficult cases of substance abuse addiction or untreated mental

763
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:08,790
illness.

764
00:56:08,790 --> 00:56:12,490
So, they're going to be working, they're going to be our point-person work with San Diego

765
00:56:12,490 --> 00:56:16,290
collaborative court to get folks that have been cycling in and out of the criminal justice

766
00:56:16,290 --> 00:56:20,910
system to get them, whether it's us picking them up from jail and taking straight to a

767
00:56:20,910 --> 00:56:24,370
treatment bed, we'll do that because we understand probation stress, but it's better

768
00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:27,790
for us to have an officer bought and spend an hour doing that and we already have those

769
00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:32,570
connections because all of our interemptions work within the home side, we can pick them

770
00:56:32,570 --> 00:56:36,910
up from jail, take them straight to a treatment center, rather than hoping what's happening

771
00:56:36,910 --> 00:56:40,470
sometimes is they get released from jail on a Friday night and they were hoping they

772
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:43,650
show up on Tuesday morning and they're going to withdrawals and that's not good.

773
00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:46,450
the overdose, they come into crime, they relapse, and they don't show up.

774
00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:47,990
So we need to have some level of accountability.

775
00:56:48,610 --> 00:56:52,630
And when you look at the best models with the highest, I'm sorry, the best levels of

776
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:55,990
precipitism that people were not going through, it's drug court, the drug court model.

777
00:56:56,870 --> 00:57:01,650
So we see any of the collaborative court is built on that with a mental health component

778
00:57:01,650 --> 00:57:06,190
of it, which is why the resource ask us program, street health, things of that nature, our

779
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:07,730
intervention services will work with them.

780
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:13,250
So we want officers to understand there is off-ramps for folks, instead of just jail.

781
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:15,470
or they didn't take services today and we walk away.

782
00:57:15,850 --> 00:57:17,930
We went them to have connections with our homeless outreach team

783
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:19,330
and we went out with the intervention services

784
00:57:19,330 --> 00:57:21,490
and understand there might be a different path

785
00:57:21,490 --> 00:57:24,390
that we need to do for our chronically homeless population

786
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:27,230
that are battling with serious substance abuse disorder

787
00:57:28,210 --> 00:57:29,590
or untreated mental illness.

788
00:57:30,090 --> 00:57:31,150
When we talk about the recovery bridge

789
00:57:31,150 --> 00:57:32,450
and the opioid summit funds,

790
00:57:32,650 --> 00:57:34,110
they just started like the middle of July

791
00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:34,790
and we're in the middle of August

792
00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:37,270
and 57 people were not taking a jail

793
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:38,430
but they weren't left on the streets

794
00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:39,550
because they were high on drugs.

795
00:57:39,930 --> 00:57:41,230
They were taken recovery bridge

796
00:57:41,230 --> 00:57:43,130
and at least we're starting that process.

797
00:57:43,610 --> 00:57:46,030
If they continue to use drugs or do things

798
00:57:46,030 --> 00:57:47,930
that sometimes people use drugs do commit crimes,

799
00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:49,650
then they might have to go to jail,

800
00:57:49,730 --> 00:57:51,630
but there's always an off-ramp,

801
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:53,350
even if they end up in a criminal justice system

802
00:57:53,350 --> 00:57:54,250
to have their record cleared,

803
00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:56,350
to get to treatment through the criminal justice system.

804
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:58,210
So that's our goal is not to wear

805
00:57:58,210 --> 00:57:59,350
how's people in jail and prison,

806
00:57:59,650 --> 00:58:01,130
but also not just to leave them on the street

807
00:58:01,130 --> 00:58:03,110
and hope that today is the day.

808
00:58:03,150 --> 00:58:04,250
We have to find that in the middle ground.

809
00:58:04,990 --> 00:58:06,650
Yeah, that's often been the challenges.

810
00:58:06,830 --> 00:58:09,670
There is no place to go other than jail or hemorrhaging room.

811
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:16,210
It was not built by society, and part of the issue is that the county is responsible for

812
00:58:16,210 --> 00:58:19,710
health and human services, but the city is the one who has the police department.

813
00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:23,530
And so getting these two entities to work together has been a challenge.

814
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:26,850
You know, we have the perk clinicians, the psychiatric emergency response team, which

815
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:31,770
go out with officers on now and one calls, I'd love to have more of them, but they're county

816
00:58:31,770 --> 00:58:32,330
employees.

817
00:58:32,730 --> 00:58:36,350
We have to bag the county to budget them and fund them.

818
00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:40,010
And so it's, but that's the way the California government was set up was to

819
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:43,170
bifurcate these two governments and it makes it a challenge.

820
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:47,030
So can you tell me more about how you're working with the county to fold in?

821
00:58:47,090 --> 00:58:49,270
We need more substance abuse and mental health centers.

822
00:58:50,570 --> 00:58:51,170
That's a challenge.

823
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:54,690
I'm going to divert a little bit of that to Lieutenant Bobkin because he's our homeless

824
00:58:54,690 --> 00:58:57,270
outreach lieutenant and he works well with our care court and lifts some of the other

825
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:57,710
programs.

826
00:58:57,830 --> 00:59:02,070
I will say that for us as a macro level for neighborhood policing, it's about having

827
00:59:02,070 --> 00:59:06,170
the best relationships we can and honestly if the county or another entity is not picking

828
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:10,810
up the slack, we're going to, because that problem is in our backyard, it's not in the county's

829
00:59:10,810 --> 00:59:11,010
backyard.

830
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:14,410
So we're not going to just hope to the county as it is, if they're not going to do it, we'll

831
00:59:14,410 --> 00:59:18,350
step up, which is why is it really necessarily a San Diego police whose job if we have

832
00:59:18,350 --> 00:59:22,830
to pick somebody up from jail and take them to a treatment bed, that probably is not, but

833
00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:26,170
is it better than that person just going right back to the same neighborhood, creating the same

834
00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:30,170
problem versus having an officer go for half a shift and we've already developed those

835
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:30,570
relationships.

836
00:59:30,850 --> 00:59:34,890
And one other thing we talked about, 187 people this year accepted some level of assistance.

837
00:59:34,890 --> 00:59:38,970
So at least they've interacted with the cops and they're like, they're not so bad and at least

838
00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:39,770
we're building some trusted.

839
00:59:40,070 --> 00:59:40,950
Hey, you're not going to jail today.

840
00:59:41,110 --> 00:59:42,050
We couldn't get a bed for you today.

841
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:43,710
But hey, here's a personal hygiene kit.

842
00:59:43,770 --> 00:59:45,610
Let's help you fill out that application at the VA.

843
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:47,750
We'll see you tomorrow and let's try again tomorrow.

844
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:51,110
So we're not going to give up on our end because we understand we're part of the social

845
00:59:51,110 --> 00:59:53,410
fabric and have that responsibility to carry that weight.

846
00:59:53,570 --> 00:59:54,810
And we don't mind doing it.

847
00:59:55,110 --> 00:59:59,970
We're just with the understanding that we can't paint the use a one large.

848
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,300
Paying a brush on every individual because they're different. For the county and some of those things, I'll turn off Lieutenant-Botkin.

849
01:00:05,860 --> 01:00:15,400
I don't know if I have a ton to add to that, except that working, working with all the different county entities is something that each of our individual teams do.

850
01:00:15,620 --> 01:00:25,400
You asked about the different proactive efforts we have. We have three different homeless outreach teams, two different daytime teams and a hybrid team that work evening time hours.

851
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,180
And then we also have the intervention services team which you have heard about.

852
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:34,640
They address the 1% of the population that produce 17% of all calls for service.

853
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:41,100
Whether it's behavioral health systems, the hospitals, fire, and police departments.

854
01:00:42,020 --> 01:00:46,440
But I will say that when it comes to collaborating with the county through PURT,

855
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:52,440
even through MCRT, our teams, the homeless outreach teams in the intervention services,

856
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,900
and even our live level officers on the enforcement side of the house, they know that they

857
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:02,520
have access to them and they know how to utilize them. And so while there may be challenges

858
01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:08,040
and while there may be difficulties in working with those teams, officers and our supervisors

859
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:13,680
understand at intricate level how to use them and how to best use them. And so there are challenges,

860
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:20,440
that's for sure. But as we like to say at neighborhood policing, we're committed to the long road

861
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,240
for the people that we work with, and that we collaborate with, because we know that people matter,

862
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:31,500
and we know that if we can find sources of services, we're going to do it,

863
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:36,420
and the homeless outreach team and intervention are really the ultimate example of that.

864
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:41,840
The homeless outreach does ground level work, and they will go out to different people throughout the day.

865
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:47,680
Intervention services will literally attach themselves to a person, and really not let go,

866
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,640
we have some kind of success, the example from Councilmember Campbell's district was a person

867
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:57,600
who had been arrested 163 times. An intervention service is just refused to give up.

868
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,440
Well, that person agreed to enter in a treatment, began to actively participate in their own

869
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:07,960
treatment, and has since remained out of custody. That's one of a handful of examples I just

870
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:14,760
presented on today at a different group. The life change that occurs through our efforts and

871
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:20,240
the participation of those we work with is really phenomenal and so that's what drives the work that

872
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:27,160
we do at a neighborhood policing. Got it. Thank you. And I had a question about in the progressive

873
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:31,840
enforcement model but you've already answered every time you contact someone the first instances

874
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:37,320
offering help but every single time if you have to come back multiple times even before an arrest is made

875
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:44,260
you'll still offer help before an arrest correct correct so we follow that that's why actually our

876
01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:49,680
sort of down to send a degree in the encroachment model because we are trying to

877
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,240
kind of, you know, we have to leave it on the plate that there are going to be certain

878
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,260
individuals that just refuse and they're difficult. We're committed to

879
01:02:57,260 --> 01:03:00,580
still even with that individual. We contact them every day. We're going to offer them shelter

880
01:03:00,580 --> 01:03:04,080
first and services that they're willing. Some people are not. But that's what we're

881
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,740
just trying to get officers out of their cars, interact with these folks, and figure out

882
01:03:07,740 --> 01:03:10,360
what's going on with them and hey, you know, maybe we can at least, if you want to take

883
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,980
shelter today, maybe you can at least take some level of assistance for our

884
01:03:12,980 --> 01:03:14,420
and we'll start building that trust.

885
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,380
But on the same token, we do have to understand

886
01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:18,200
our first responsibilities public safety.

887
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:19,660
And if someone's coming in,

888
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,920
cry, we're doing something to make the public unsafe.

889
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:23,300
We want to interact.

890
01:03:23,540 --> 01:03:25,480
And I think it's also important to note that

891
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,460
when we have all these opportunities to intervene

892
01:03:27,460 --> 01:03:29,640
at a lower level in fraction level,

893
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:31,340
a warning level, a misdemeanor level,

894
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:33,540
if we lose all those opportunities,

895
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,200
then the only opportunity intervenes at the felony level,

896
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:37,400
or when someone's hurt.

897
01:03:37,580 --> 01:03:38,380
We don't want that.

898
01:03:38,580 --> 01:03:40,680
We want to intervene at the lowest level possible

899
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,320
so we can cooperate,

900
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:47,940
whether it was with HSSD or any other partners that we have to avoid people getting deeper and deeper into the criminal

901
01:03:47,940 --> 01:03:49,500
justice system, make it in their lives harder.

902
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:55,520
And what about obviously there's still a huge addiction crisis on our streets and it's one of the

903
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,160
reasons that the city sued opioid companies and I was on that lawsuit as Deputy City Attorney

904
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:04,920
and I'm glad we're using the money for medical vans so we can have mobile street health care

905
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,820
and provide suboxone on the street.

906
01:04:07,020 --> 01:04:12,140
People don't have to come into healthcare centers but someone is dealing those drugs.

907
01:04:12,740 --> 01:04:18,220
somebody is providing drugs and praying on home of people to consume them. So what are we doing

908
01:04:18,220 --> 01:04:22,280
about the dealers who are specifically praying on unsheltered people and continuing to push drugs

909
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:27,060
in their community? So without getting in the actual specific operations are, except our number one

910
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:31,240
priority is open air drug use that especially occurs in the downtown area that is something that

911
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,960
just completely detract from neighborhoods, it's our number one driver of complaints with the community

912
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:41,000
and it's frankly unacceptable. So we always mix in if we're resting somebody that's a user versus

913
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,340
someone that's selling drugs. Obviously, when you look at those issuing rates, they're up because

914
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:49,280
we have better trained officers that are focused more on core drivers. People out there

915
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,480
are selling drugs to members of the homeless community because they're a, they're a population

916
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:58,340
that's easily targeted and they're struggling with addiction already. So, when you see those

917
01:04:58,340 --> 01:05:02,100
arrest go up, but you can see the encroachment and say, Camino's are going down, it's not that

918
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:06,140
we're not, those are still priorities for us. We're contacting people for those particular crimes,

919
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,260
but what we're trying to do is off-wrap some of that simply homeless that's encroaching or

920
01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:12,020
and say, can't be in get them with homeless outreach,

921
01:05:12,460 --> 01:05:13,900
but when we come across, like I said,

922
01:05:13,940 --> 01:05:14,920
we talk about these arrests,

923
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,260
it's almost all drug driven,

924
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,400
but that's why we're committed to things such as using

925
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,300
the Recovery Bridge Center

926
01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:25,000
and off-ramping people at the earliest level we can.

927
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:27,280
Possession of drugs is a citation,

928
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:28,240
it's a misperience citation

929
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,040
when you see those numbers up, those are going up,

930
01:05:30,460 --> 01:05:33,080
but I look at those misdemeanor citations for folks

931
01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:35,740
as they're not meant to impact them,

932
01:05:35,740 --> 01:05:38,620
they're meant to be an opportunity to get them into court

933
01:05:38,620 --> 01:05:43,660
And they, for lack of a better term, might get the nudge from the judge to get into treatment because they're struggling.

934
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:50,260
But there's always an off ramp for any of those individuals, they're not going to prison for that, to have them get the help that they need.

935
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:55,320
And that's why we're having the officers go out there and interact and you see some of those numbers go up, but other numbers go down.

936
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:02,520
Because we have such a persistent drug use problem on people that are struggling with it. Those are people we have to contact.

937
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:10,040
Okay. Thank you. Two more questions. One is about outreach into some of the farther up parts

938
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:15,080
of the city in the particular canyons. You know, we had fire started in Rancho Bonardo

939
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,600
Canyon in Mission Valley that almost took houses and I do believe in Councillor Campio's

940
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:24,260
district. There was a fire near Monazuma near the college area that was also started by an

941
01:06:24,260 --> 01:06:30,620
unsheltered individual in a canyon using a flame for cooking or for unfortunately in Rancho

942
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:34,800
it was making meth, but it's for whatever was being, but then it turns into huge fires.

943
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:40,500
And so we need to get help for people who are in canyons, get them out of canyons, endotreatment.

944
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,120
But how do we do that with such huge city?

945
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:44,620
So I would say twofold.

946
01:06:44,740 --> 01:06:49,080
Number one, any encampment, complaint that we get that has a fire risk is our number one priority

947
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:49,820
that we respond to.

948
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,160
We were closely with environmental services on the three-hour abatement to get out there

949
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,360
if there's hazardous materials that might affect waterways or any kind of fire risk.

950
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,340
The flip side is when we talk about revamping our overtime model.

951
01:06:59,340 --> 01:07:02,440
But one of the things that we did is it's set of officers responding to these low-gette

952
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,040
done times.

953
01:07:03,580 --> 01:07:07,640
We have a dedicated canyons and beach safety team that goes out on, picked on the weekends

954
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:12,020
when I have lower staffing and they specifically are tasked with addressing complaints within

955
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:12,840
the canyons.

956
01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:16,960
Places that we, that's harder for officers during our normal shift to get to, and that is

957
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:22,380
their pure focus is to get to those open-preserved canyons and try to knock those down and

958
01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:25,740
get out and contact those individuals, rather than let them build up and become some big

959
01:07:25,740 --> 01:07:25,980
fire.

960
01:07:25,980 --> 01:07:29,820
So that is a dedicated way that we've revamped for over time

961
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:32,600
to be more specific and targeted on those complaints

962
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:33,440
specifically.

963
01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:36,160
It can be a challenge for some people

964
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:37,700
that are within the riverbed community

965
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:39,420
and things that nature, I think a lot of it

966
01:07:39,420 --> 01:07:40,460
is building trust with them.

967
01:07:40,540 --> 01:07:41,920
That's why we just stay out of work closely

968
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,560
with the San Diego Riverbed Foundation.

969
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,640
And that was one of the reasons that we looked at last year,

970
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,880
the last quarter I saw the riverbed population

971
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,800
of homeless drop by 52%.

972
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,440
So we're making an impact there.

973
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:52,820
We still have a long ways to go,

974
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,520
but at least it's starting there.

975
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:59,780
I think as we get deeper and deeper into homeless and we look at California, we might be

976
01:07:59,780 --> 01:08:03,460
homeless 25% of the nation's homeless population, but 60% of the chronically.

977
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,780
So we have people that are chronically being on the streets for a long, long, long time, and

978
01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:09,080
those are more complex cases.

979
01:08:09,980 --> 01:08:12,500
So again, the goal is not to arrest our way out of this problem.

980
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,380
Our goal is to interact with them, build trust, get them out of it.

981
01:08:16,380 --> 01:08:20,320
But if they're doing something that's going to hold the community unsafe, we have to address

982
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:20,600
that.

983
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:21,780
That's still is our number one responsibility.

984
01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:23,960
but it's always a compassion but from the program.

985
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,500
Thank you and I'm glad that our recovery bridge center is now open.

986
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,660
I'm glad that we have mobile street bands doing street medicine with our firefighters and our

987
01:08:31,660 --> 01:08:37,800
paramedics and you know I'm really interested to see how the collaborative court goes because I agree

988
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:42,460
you should always have an offer amp if someone's willing to get help and take the step to get their

989
01:08:42,460 --> 01:08:47,440
life back together they should have an offer amp from the coronavirus system so I appreciate that my last

990
01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:51,100
question you might not be able to answer this but we're about to start our next item is going to be on

991
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:55,280
police training because that's equally important to providing high quality law enforcement

992
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,640
that's responsible in the city of San Diego.

993
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:05,140
And I do understand the need for every police recruit who goes to the academy to interact

994
01:09:05,140 --> 01:09:09,100
with homeless individuals in a kind, compassionate way and they know how to access resources.

995
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:16,420
At the same time, when you go through the academy, you learn all sorts of tactical things

996
01:09:16,420 --> 01:09:20,260
you have to learn on the streets, chopping cars, individuals going into barricaded suspects,

997
01:09:21,020 --> 01:09:26,260
arresting people, not arresting people, de-escalation, and then you need that on-the-street training

998
01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:29,180
to really compound what you've learned.

999
01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:34,480
And so if we take officers from the Academy and we put them straight into NPD, are they

1000
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:38,620
not then going to get that immediate field training that you might want to have, right when they

1001
01:09:38,620 --> 01:09:43,920
get out of the Academy, wouldn't be better for our training program to have officers come

1002
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:49,100
after they've done some in-service training in patrol, for example, before going to NPD.

1003
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:54,340
And that might not be a question you can answer, but that's something I'm going to ask in the next item

1004
01:09:55,260 --> 01:09:59,040
because, you know, as a lawyer when I graduated, I didn't know how to file a court case.

1005
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,500
I had to have attorneys trained me, so.

1006
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,780
Yeah, that's a great question.

1007
01:10:05,060 --> 01:10:07,660
I would argue the opposite is true.

1008
01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:13,540
You know, when an officer completes face training and they go to their divisions, certainly they're going to apply the things that they've learned.

1009
01:10:13,540 --> 01:10:24,660
But what they're also going to do is to a certain degree, be beholden to radio calls and reports that they're going to have to take because that is part of the role of a true division.

1010
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:34,000
However, neighborhood policing division, we have these officers interacting with people consistently on a daily basis in some instances.

1011
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,220
Because these officers will contact 15, 20 people a day.

1012
01:10:37,860 --> 01:10:43,440
The ability to speak to someone to know whether you're being lied to or not, to apply

1013
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:47,700
an understanding of valuing people from being under the influence of a controlled substance,

1014
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:53,340
dealing with people who suffer with mental illness and act out because of that and or a drug

1015
01:10:53,340 --> 01:11:00,380
or substance abuse problem really is a skill that is only developed over time.

1016
01:11:00,380 --> 01:11:08,840
You receive the rudimentary training, but the advanced level of that is applying that training and then seeing what works and what doesn't

1017
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,460
and understanding how to

1018
01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:15,940
take everything full circle from the initial contact to an arrest.

1019
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:19,940
The officers at our division, again, that come straight out of phase training,

1020
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,700
they will work and

1021
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:26,680
arrest people for open our drug use, open our drug sales,

1022
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:31,700
committing violent crimes and all of those cases are things that you will do at a

1023
01:11:31,700 --> 01:11:37,400
patrol division. However, in our circumstance, they're doing it repeatedly without the

1024
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:46,520
incumbents of having to answer the radio or take crime reports. And so that is what happens

1025
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:53,600
when a new officer comes to us. They really, as the police term is 1186, a special detail. We like to

1026
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:59,200
that you're 1186 every day the neighborhood policing and you had the opportunity to go out and

1027
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:04,620
really apply your craft to learn how to talk to people, to learn how to to evaluate people and

1028
01:12:04,620 --> 01:12:11,020
interact with people because there's just, there's nothing like actually doing the job and when they

1029
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:17,320
come to us they have three to four months of doing that every day and so we produce at the end of

1030
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,880
really a much better product, so to speak.

1031
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:22,700
One thing to piggyback on that.

1032
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:26,600
I do think that police officer job is so many different things,

1033
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:27,680
and they do receive training.

1034
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,660
They do come to us after they complete phase training,

1035
01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:31,480
and they're employing a lot of on-the-job training

1036
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:32,400
related to homelessness.

1037
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:33,800
Helms are things that we've already discussed.

1038
01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:35,840
They do still have radio responsibility.

1039
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,000
We on average respond about 900 radio calls a month at MPD,

1040
01:12:39,140 --> 01:12:40,480
so they're still going to hot calls officers

1041
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:41,460
went to the market shooting.

1042
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,380
They're still expected to monitor air

1043
01:12:43,380 --> 01:12:44,540
and go to calls about.

1044
01:12:44,780 --> 01:12:45,920
They're also volunteering for calls

1045
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:46,940
with the homeless related nexus.

1046
01:12:46,940 --> 01:12:48,180
they might hear something on the radio.

1047
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:49,920
So there's whatever division they're in.

1048
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,500
So that responsibility is still there.

1049
01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:54,520
I'll leave out to Captain Ramsey if you talk

1050
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:55,820
about some of the other training that occurs.

1051
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,620
I think what they're able to apply to a lot of it

1052
01:12:59,620 --> 01:13:01,740
is the core tenets of community policing,

1053
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,800
instead of being kind of tied to the radio.

1054
01:13:04,460 --> 01:13:07,360
And they're getting out there, learning about self-initiated activity,

1055
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:08,580
learning how to interact with someone

1056
01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:09,880
most difficult members of the society,

1057
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:13,220
doing the de-escalation with folks that, you know,

1058
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:14,640
instead of just one particular community,

1059
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,920
they're in interacting with several different communities.

1060
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,440
And they're getting the opportunity to understand, like, how do we interact with people?

1061
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:22,920
I think they're so much to learn this.

1062
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:23,800
I don't think they're losing it.

1063
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,140
I think they're just getting that component because if they don't get it with us, then

1064
01:13:27,140 --> 01:13:31,300
they're not going to get it, I think, down the road, and they're trying to fumble through some

1065
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:35,480
of these complex laws related to their homelessness and their progressive enforcement for some

1066
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:37,940
model versus, hey, someone didn't stop at a stop sign.

1067
01:13:38,060 --> 01:13:38,500
It's pretty simple.

1068
01:13:38,620 --> 01:13:39,560
I can write them a ticket and stop.

1069
01:13:39,740 --> 01:13:41,920
It's a little more easier for them to digest and understand.

1070
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:43,640
I think it's just a layered approach.

1071
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:49,680
I think that whole first year officers are going to feel they're they're they're just learning and I just think when you look at public the number one

1072
01:13:50,820 --> 01:13:56,360
Crime issue and I hate these crimes. I don't want to criminalize homelessness, but the number one complaint issue and law enforcement deal with in California

1073
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:03,720
It's not murders or gang activity. It's it's homelessness related issues. So I think that's what we prioritize and it allows us to

1074
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:11,080
If we were fully staffed then we wouldn't need to do it but this augments us and it does serve that purpose of at least everybody goes out

1075
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:16,200
to every substation with an working on the job and knowledge of, how do I tackle that?

1076
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:19,420
Okay, I gotta remember how to write a burglar report and they might have to ask for help with that.

1077
01:14:19,420 --> 01:14:20,740
But I think they're going to be okay.

1078
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:25,260
I want them to know how to interact with some of our most difficult cases in society.

1079
01:14:25,820 --> 01:14:28,240
First, and I think that's worked out well.

1080
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,580
It prevents a lot of misunderstandings, prevents a lot of use of forces.

1081
01:14:31,940 --> 01:14:34,820
I look at one of the best examples that we talked about OVO enforcement.

1082
01:14:35,380 --> 01:14:38,180
How many cars we've towed, zero this year?

1083
01:14:38,180 --> 01:14:41,160
We're not trying to take someone and make them a situation more difficult.

1084
01:14:41,380 --> 01:14:42,120
That's officers interacting.

1085
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:43,280
How many complaints?

1086
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:44,060
Zero.

1087
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,200
So that shows thousands of contact officers

1088
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,360
are being professional and we're learning to engage with people.

1089
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:49,720
And that's what they get from there.

1090
01:14:49,820 --> 01:14:50,740
And then they go on their patrol command.

1091
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:51,680
I think they're better prepared.

1092
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:53,560
God.

1093
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:54,060
Thank you.

1094
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:56,220
Well that's a good segue into our next item.

1095
01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:57,600
I appreciate you very much.

1096
01:14:57,700 --> 01:14:58,020
Being here.

1097
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:58,840
Thank you for my colleague.

1098
01:15:01,250 --> 01:15:10,310
And let us know how we can support you. So that brings us to our next item, which is item 3, which is our training division update. I'm Sarah, please introduce item 3.

1099
01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:20,310
Thank you, Chair. The training division update is item number 3. And if you're watching on city TV or the live stream online, and you'd like to dial in the speak, please call 169-2545252.

1100
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:24,390
including Webinar ID 1613980144 for Pam.

1101
01:15:33,790 --> 01:15:35,390
Mike, please introduce yourselves for record.

1102
01:15:35,450 --> 01:15:37,710
Let us know how much time you'll need for your presentation.

1103
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,260
Captain Mike Ramsey, the San Diego PD Training Division, with me I have a Lieutenant

1104
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,540
Brian McGilvera, he's in service training division, and I'll need about 15 minutes.

1105
01:15:56,940 --> 01:15:57,400
Okay, please proceed.

1106
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:09,480
Thank you, public safety members for inviting us to share information on training division.

1107
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:14,560
There has been significant changes within training division, especially in the last 18 months.

1108
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:20,360
But before I get into individual programs and initiatives, I want to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

1109
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,760
Over the last year and a half, training division has been involved in an incredible amount of work.

1110
01:16:26,380 --> 01:16:35,300
We've expanded programs, developed new training, supported department-wide initiatives, strengthens, leadership development, and continued to deliver mandatory training for our personal.

1111
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:40,300
This work is important because this is one of she walls top three priorities for the department.

1112
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:42,980
That's investing in our workforce and development.

1113
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:47,380
When I'm going to share with you is not just a list of accomplishments or projects.

1114
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,080
It represents a direct investment in our workforce.

1115
01:16:52,460 --> 01:16:57,500
When you look at each project individually, it's easy to see just one more thing on a list.

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But when we put it all together, really demonstrates the volume, the scope and the impact of what the division has accomplished in the last 18 months.

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Today, I want to highlight some of that work, not just talk about what we've done, but to show

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how much effort has gone into building a stronger and more capable and modern training operation.

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We talk about training, it's easy to think about courses, certifications, checking the boxes,

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that says someone completed a requirement. Training is how we prepare our people for the moment

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when preparation matters most. It's how we build confidence, develop leaders, improve decision-making,

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and ultimately make our organization better.

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The training division has an important responsibility,

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not just to train people for the job they have today,

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but to prepare them for the challenges and responsibilities

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they may have tomorrow.

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That's really the theme behind the work I'm going to share

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with you today.

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How we are continuing to evolve to meet the needs of department,

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our personnel, and the communities we serve.

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A little overview of training division.

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This is what falls under the umbrella of training division.

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We have a leadership development unit

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01:17:59,750 --> 01:18:09,050
In service training unit, the regional police academy, the range, field training, administration, and force analysis unit.

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Everything I'm going to talk about is relatively a new training program that has taken place in the last 18 months.

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First one is the command cohort.

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This is about changing the mindset from managing today's problems to leading an organization,

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01:18:26,670 --> 01:18:29,370
understanding the role and expectations of command staff.

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Looking at the history of SDPD and the lessons that shape we were going, introducing decision-making models in the business side of running a police department.

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Some of the topics is leading people, command leadership is ultimately about people, coaching and mentoring, understanding different generations and leadership styles, having difficult or crucial conversation.

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01:18:50,670 --> 01:18:58,130
How this city works? Future leaders need to understand how the mayor, how the council, city departments, labor organizations and the police department interact.

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01:18:58,130 --> 01:19:05,090
budget policies and legislation processes directly affect what we can accomplish operationally.

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01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:09,650
From my 30 years on this department, the first time I was exposed to anything like that.

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This helps future command staff understand how decisions get made beyond the police department.

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01:19:15,150 --> 01:19:19,810
Communication, command officers have to communicate up and down, communicating with officers,

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01:19:20,490 --> 01:19:24,650
employees, the public, media, city leadership, it requires different approaches.

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The goal is to build leaders who can communicate clearly during both routine operations and crisis situations.

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01:19:31,930 --> 01:19:35,550
Commuting engagement, policing doesn't happen independently in the community.

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01:19:36,530 --> 01:19:41,370
Of the community, future, command staff needs tools to build relationships and credibility.

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01:19:41,790 --> 01:19:48,550
Empathy gives leaders a framework for understanding different perspectives, ultimately this is about building legitimacy and trust.

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01:19:49,130 --> 01:19:50,710
Strategic planning for in the future.

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We also asked our future leaders to think beyond today's problems,

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while we'll completely seem to look like in five or ten years from now.

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01:19:57,190 --> 01:19:59,970
How do we improve a vision rather than react to problems?

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01:20:00,530 --> 01:20:03,990
Introduction to emerging technologies such as artificial intelligence,

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01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:09,470
the objective is to develop leaders who can anticipate change rather than simply respond to it.

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Incident command. Command staff need to be prepared for large-scale

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01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:17,290
complex events, critical incidents, leadership,

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that planning and management, understanding how different components of the organization work together,

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and wellness and self-care, leadership carries a different level of responsibility and stress,

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01:20:27,410 --> 01:20:32,130
command staff need to understand how their own wellness, as well as the wellness of the people they lead,

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recognition and appreciation of our leadership tools.

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The networking component helps build relationships across the organization.

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The common thread through this command cohort and all these topics I talked about

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is developing leaders who understand the organization, understand the community, can communicate effectively and make decisions under pressure that ultimately have the ability to lead STPD in the future.

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Before I talk about this, throughout my career in the department, I saw leadership development gap.

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I was experienced in the leadership development gap as well. The traditional model is promotion, then your leadership training, checking the box training.

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So, what are we doing to change this culture in status quo?

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Well, the new model is the leadership starts at the recruit level,

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then the officer in development, promotion, and then advanced leadership.

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Leadership development should be long before promotions.

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Building a leadership ecosystem where every stage of build upon the previous one is the goal.

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The L3H training, I want to talk about this.

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This is what we did many, many years ago.

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called the Behind the Badge series of training, it wasn't originally developed for police.

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It was created by the National Wildfire Coordination Group as part of wild land-fire services

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leadership programs. It used across various emergency fields, but because of the high-stress

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team management tactics, crossover well into law enforcement and all hazardous trainings.

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The L380s designed for sergeants, the L280s for the police officer, or field train officer,

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in the L-180s for the new officer.

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01:22:13,660 --> 01:22:15,960
These courses are designed around managing complex

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01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,200
high-risk incidents, but the lessons go well

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beyond the incident itself.

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01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:21,880
They focus on how leaders perform when the environment

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is dynamic, stressful, and consistently changing.

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01:22:25,820 --> 01:22:28,060
The understanding of leadership styles,

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leader intent and communication, team cohesion.

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That means building teams that communicate effectively,

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01:22:35,340 --> 01:22:37,980
recognizing operational errors, identifying problems,

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01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,120
early in taking action before small issues

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01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:44,540
become significant ones. And finally, the stress magic, because leadership decisions are

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often being made under significant pressure.

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What I like about this training, it takes concepts that are proven in other high-risk

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01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,940
emergency environments and applies them to law enforcement.

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This is the Department's leadership course. This was created about a year ago now.

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This course is designed for our inspiring leaders and officers who want to promote. We also

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01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:12,200
made this leadership development available not just the swarm personnel but to our professional

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staff as well. This course establishes the fundamentals of leadership before someone gets

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into a former or former supervisor leadership position. It focuses on the difference between

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being a good employee and becoming an effective leader. This helps participants understand

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01:23:29,260 --> 01:23:35,100
the influence regardless of rank and title. And some of the topics that are covered in this

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01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:41,080
of course, is how to have that crucial conversation or difficult conversations addressing performance

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01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:48,120
conflict and expectations. Ethical decision-making leadership decisions aren't always black and white.

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01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:54,640
We want participants thinking about ethics, consequences, organization of values and public trust when making decisions.

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:01,900
Accountability and modeling the way. Leaders set the tone through their own behavior. Accountability starts with ourselves.

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process is about creating leaders who model expectations that they place on others.

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We do have a segment of critical incident management, crime scene processing, financial

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01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:18,400
wellness, career guidance and resume building, fearless leader.

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01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:24,360
This is where we're helping people think internationally about their careers rather than

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01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,700
waiting for opportunities to happen, resume development and career guidance are practical tools,

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01:24:28,700 --> 01:24:35,940
Fearless leadership is about having confidence to make decisions, speak up, accept responsibility, and lead even when it's uncomfortable.

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The bigger objective is to create leadership culture, not simply a leadership class.

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We want people throughout the organization thinking about leadership before they ever receive a title of promotion.

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And by including professional staff alongside sworn staff, we're reinforcing that leadership is a responsibility that exists throughout the entire department.

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mentoring program. This is about creating culture of career development within the

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department. We want our employees to have access to resources, relationships, and

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01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:14,320
information they do not take control or how to take control of their careers.

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We have currently about 175 officers who had volunteered to become mentors for

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01:25:19,660 --> 01:25:24,060
our new recruits. They mentor them throughout the entire police academy, upon

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graduation and essentially throughout their entire career. The mentoring

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program is a strong foundation that gives employees an opportunity to learn from people who have

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already navigated the organization and career opportunities.

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Another program we're working on updating is a training career catalog.

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This is an online training catalog that will make it easier for employees to see what

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01:25:47,130 --> 01:25:51,890
training is available whether it's STPD, post training, regional training or an outside course.

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The career development portal takes that step further by putting career information and resources

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in one place.

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The objective is to establish a clear path in transparent pathway for career development.

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So employees understand not only what opportunities exist, but also what they need to do to prepare for.

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We want people thinking about their development years before they're ready to promote.

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If we develop our people early, we build a strong bench of qualified candidates and ultimately a stronger leader's lit of parliament.

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I'll play this in a second.

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So I'm going to show you a video of what we are doing to promote career pathways.

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There are so many different units within the San Diego Police Department, so many different

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opportunities, our forces very young.

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We are creating a career pathway, video segments, to highlight units, to look at what these

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01:26:45,610 --> 01:26:50,990
officers have to potentially look forward within their careers, if they're, you know,

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interested in specializing units.

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This particular video is from our Abel, a flight helicopter here,

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you know,

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is.

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Able

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started over three decades ago with a pair of binoculars and a paper map book.

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And now we have moving maps systems and high-definition cameras.

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We are looking for good street cops that we can turn into great tact to the flight officers.

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The cockpit could be a very small workplace, so we have to get along with each other,

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but the fact of the matter is that we do.

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Before coming to Able, I had incorrectly assumed that everyone here had a long history of aviation experience,

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and I did not. In fact, I had zero aviation experience. It took me bumping into one of the pilots

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that worked here and telling him, I'd love to go to that unit, but I'm not a pilot. He's the one

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who told me you don't have to be to get started there.

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This job can be so dynamic. It goes from 0 to 60

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01:28:50,270 --> 01:28:53,590
so fast that you have to be ready for it, and we'll teach you.

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About 15 miles an hour, come

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into a stop, looking for a football, looks like a male, black shirt, white under shirt, black,

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01:29:05,900 --> 01:29:13,440
Sweat, he's right, he's found through the parking lot out towards Elfano, Louisiana, happened to rope, a little bit of the stop sign, still south of them.

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01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:15,160
Trifers doors open.

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Okay, the guy jumped out of the driver's seat, car's old, southbound, nobody in the driver's seat.

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01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:23,560
Your head's up, the driver is running.

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It's going to be right at the off ramp of the 905, the westbound.

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He will put first suit, he is northbound, 2090.

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01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:35,740
He's going to have to have four.

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All right, KC guys, get a KC now, look at the foot fail, and Starv is going to be self-bound, all blind

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which is what's going on there.

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Now, fine, all blind, right, wait, should fit a driver.

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Looks like we got one get a big contact with the bell.

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We offer a perspective.

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Effective, and no one else on the ground has. And because of this, we have the opportunity to keep officers safe and help catch the suspect that might otherwise got away.

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The goal is air to have that career path building system with technology for our younger officers to highlight units like able, swat, canine, being a detective, working certain specialized assignments, so they can really look at what the job involves, so we could help build a careers recruit them.

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and really expose them to what the other units do.

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Next topic, I want to talk about command convention.

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We had our first command convention this summer.

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This involved all the tenets in above.

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This is the first time in the history of STPD

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that I believe where we got all our command convention

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or command staff together to meet,

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01:31:01,060 --> 01:31:05,980
to bring leadership or together for future needs of the department.

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It was a two-day event featuring keynote speakers

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who brought perspectives and ideas that went far beyond the normal day-to-day operations.

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We focus on public safety issues that are directly relevant to the work we do.

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We also created space to look at the bigger picture and the department needs.

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One of the most valuable components was a working group sessions rather than simply listening

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01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:27,140
to presentations.

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Attendees were asked to work together and address some of the key issues facing the department.

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While we use the convention as an opportunity to have a meaningful discussion about department

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goals, making sure our leadership team understands not only where we are going, but how we're

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01:31:41,860 --> 01:31:45,880
going to get there together. The training panels gave attendees practical opportunities to

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01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:50,980
learn from subject matter experts and a friend went from one another. The bigger objective was

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connection and alignment. We want to the command staff to lead with better understanding of our

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01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:01,280
priorities, stronger relationships across the organization, and ideas that could take us back

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01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,880
ideas that could take back to their teams. Ultimately, this was about investing in our leaders,

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01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,060
so they can do better and leave the organization.

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A few other training topics I wanna talk about,

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is the incident command training.

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It's major part of the building

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a more consistent understanding of the ICS system.

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This will be mandated for all the attendance and above.

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01:32:22,540 --> 01:32:25,680
The ICS will be required with the goal

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of making sure our supervisors become proficient

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01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:29,580
in the different ICS models.

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That's important because when we have significant incidents,

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we need leaders who can step into those roles

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and operate effectively.

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Another component is the command training.

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01:32:39,780 --> 01:32:42,120
We want to continue developing our current and future

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01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:44,460
command staff so they prepare not only for the responsibilities

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01:32:44,460 --> 01:32:47,520
they have today, but what is also coming next.

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Employee development.

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It's about creating opportunities for people

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throughout the organization and to grow professionally,

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01:32:53,780 --> 01:32:58,080
not just sworn personnel, but in their leadership roles.

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And finally, advanced officer training

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allows us to continually build skills and capabilities

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beyond the basics training requirements.

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The bigger picture here is where we're trying to create

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a continuum of training and development

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from the line level through supervision

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and ultimately into command.

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That ties directly back to our overall philosophy.

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We don't want to wait until someone gets promoted

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01:33:20,140 --> 01:33:22,400
or an incident occurs that starts to be apparent

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01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,140
and we want them to develop our people

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before they're put into those situations.

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We'll talk a little bit about the in-service training teams.

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This was newly created.

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01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:38,990
We have two in-service training teams that just went in effect earlier this year.

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Traditionally, most patrol officers and sergeants saw training through AOT, which is advanced

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01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:49,150
officers training, and that was a two-year cycle.

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And most of that is the state mandated training from post or assembly bills or penal code.

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About 95% of those 40-hour week involved some kind of state mandated training.

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So we had very little time as an organization to do anything outside of the mandates.

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We created these field operations teams to make sure we're having training consistently throughout

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a year or have a group of officers maybe getting in front of each command four to five times

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a year can provide them real-world realistic training.

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The goal is not simply to provide more trains to provide the right training at the right

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time based on what officers are actually experiencing the field.

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01:34:29,930 --> 01:34:33,910
Also, the ability to pivot our training needs in any direction needed.

1338
01:34:34,390 --> 01:34:38,410
Officer safety and tactics is one of the things that we cover, reinforce the fundamentals

1339
01:34:38,410 --> 01:34:42,030
and making sure officers are prepared to handle high-risk situations.

1340
01:34:43,110 --> 01:34:48,350
Realistic scenario-based training, this is move beyond classroom instructions and create

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01:34:48,350 --> 01:34:52,790
realistic situations that require officers to communicate, make decisions, and apply tactics

1342
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:53,430
under pressure.

1343
01:34:53,970 --> 01:34:58,570
Decision-making and de-escalation gives officers opportunities to practice the decisions they

1344
01:34:58,570 --> 01:35:04,010
made in real time, not just talk about them, squad in individual training, teams can identify

1345
01:35:04,010 --> 01:35:08,570
specific strengths and gaps and address them through squad level or individual training.

1346
01:35:09,810 --> 01:35:14,250
Learning from real world incidents, every significant incident is an opportunity to ask

1347
01:35:14,250 --> 01:35:19,710
what can we learn from this and how could we turn that into a lesson of training. Consistency

1348
01:35:19,710 --> 01:35:24,050
across the department, the objective is to create a common training standard swancers receive

1349
01:35:24,050 --> 01:35:27,290
consistent expectation and skills regardless of the assignments.

1350
01:35:29,710 --> 01:35:32,870
Crickleum development, the team, isn't just delivering training, they're continuously

1351
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:38,470
evaluating and developing new training based on operational needs, emerging trends, training

1352
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:42,810
has to stay ahead of the curve, identifying new threats, tactics, technology and changing

1353
01:35:42,810 --> 01:35:44,030
community expectations.

1354
01:35:44,690 --> 01:35:48,370
Ultimately, these teams connect what happens in the field and what's happening in training.

1355
01:35:48,370 --> 01:35:52,070
Our goal is to create a continuous cycle of experience,

1356
01:35:53,190 --> 01:35:55,590
identifying the lessons, train it, and improve performance.

1357
01:35:55,790 --> 01:35:57,330
That's how we build a department that's safer,

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01:35:57,430 --> 01:36:01,770
more consistent and better prepared for whatever our officers encounter.

1359
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:06,590
One benefit of the training teams is that the teams actually

1360
01:36:06,590 --> 01:36:11,110
go to the officers' command, so we impact out of service time.

1361
01:36:11,470 --> 01:36:13,430
Rather than traditionally training, we have officers

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01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:15,610
travel to where the training is being held.

1363
01:36:15,610 --> 01:36:20,330
we're doing that opposite or traveling to them, we're taking them out of the field for

1364
01:36:20,330 --> 01:36:24,590
short periods of time, maybe a half hour to 45 minutes, running them through training

1365
01:36:24,590 --> 01:36:29,530
cycles and then sending them back in the field so they can be available.

1366
01:36:32,530 --> 01:36:36,770
At the end of the day, everything we do in training comes back to one simple objective.

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01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:41,890
Being better prepared, better prepared officers, better prepared supervisors,

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01:36:46,590 --> 01:36:47,730
better prepared

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01:36:47,730 --> 01:36:50,630
are benefiting both our officers and the communities they serve.

1370
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:55,170
Training isn't something that happens once and then we move on and it has to be continuous.

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01:36:55,970 --> 01:37:02,210
As our profession changes, our community changes, and as a challenges we face change, our training

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01:37:02,210 --> 01:37:03,570
has to change with it.

1373
01:37:03,570 --> 01:37:08,410
Our goal is to create a culture where learning, development, and improvement are part of who

1374
01:37:08,410 --> 01:37:10,990
we are not simply something we do.

1375
01:37:10,990 --> 01:37:18,650
One thing I truly need to add, a lot of the training we're able to do has been from grants.

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01:37:19,290 --> 01:37:26,850
We had very little impact overall on the cost of training and also from the generous donors from the police foundation

1377
01:37:26,850 --> 01:37:35,350
has really been helpful for us to provide training classes, secure locations, and really invest in the time

1378
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:38,490
that is needed to develop and improve the programs like that.

1379
01:37:38,690 --> 01:37:50,530
So I did want to mention our focus on is to continue to get grants for training and use the current resources we have to continue to build a training division programs.

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01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:53,670
Now I will ask for any questions if you have some.

1381
01:37:54,090 --> 01:37:58,130
Okay, thank you very much for the presentation and first we will take public comment on this item.

1382
01:37:58,390 --> 01:38:00,030
So please take any public comment.

1383
01:38:00,030 --> 01:38:09,250
Thank you, Chair. No organized presentations were submitted for these items, so we will move to in-person public testimony, and we have received two slips here in chambers.

1384
01:38:09,930 --> 01:38:16,990
We will begin with Joyce and Yada, and you will be followed by Darth Vader, and we have a third slip Patricia Madrigon.

1385
01:38:17,390 --> 01:38:21,450
So if these individuals can please come up to the front of the room, and we will begin with Joyce and Yada.

1386
01:38:27,180 --> 01:38:36,700
Thank you, great, great, great advances in the training, especially in the leadership area.

1387
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:41,060
Thank you, thank you so much, really, five stars.

1388
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:50,000
I'm concerned about the training of the new street, the training of the new street troops.

1389
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:59,460
I like when you use the word emerging training trends, and I want to, if you're around, listen

1390
01:38:59,460 --> 01:39:04,120
to what I'm going to say in the non-agenda public comment because I'm going to be speaking

1391
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:06,080
on non-verbal communication.

1392
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:13,860
So I'm excited about this training solution, it's an emerging training trend.

1393
01:39:13,860 --> 01:39:23,740
Law enforcement, virtual reality, VR, headsets, where simulation meets reality in unprecedented

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01:39:23,740 --> 01:39:34,120
ways, simulators provide an unparalleled level of realism, immersing users in real world

1395
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:41,740
scenarios to help them develop critical skills and prepare for the challenges they could face

1396
01:39:41,740 --> 01:39:53,840
in the field. I quoted this information from TI training. Thank you TI. Perhaps this is, this is

1397
01:39:53,840 --> 01:40:01,600
from me. Perhaps we can get philanthropic and or grant money to provide these new equipment for

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01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:07,880
our police officers, the new ones, especially coming into the academies. Because from me,

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01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:17,960
every single action all of you take between the SDPD and the public unfolds very quickly.

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01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:20,140
I don't care what you're doing.

1401
01:40:20,460 --> 01:40:27,220
I don't care if it's a serious, gun incident, or you're just talking, you know,

1402
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:28,820
fifth amendment rights.

1403
01:40:31,890 --> 01:40:35,190
Anyway, I have so much to say to you, great job.

1404
01:40:35,330 --> 01:40:36,250
Thank you.

1405
01:40:36,250 --> 01:40:38,090
Thank you, Darth Vader,

1406
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:41,500
Patricia Madrigone.

1407
01:40:48,090 --> 01:40:50,790
Thank you, I wasn't prepared to speak on this item,

1408
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:52,890
but I want to share a story that happened.

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01:40:53,470 --> 01:40:57,390
I'm here in my personal capacity as a D3 resident.

1410
01:40:58,110 --> 01:41:01,310
I was flying home one day from Sacramento,

1411
01:41:02,390 --> 01:41:06,830
and there was a SDPD officer that was sitting in my same eye

1412
01:41:06,830 --> 01:41:10,270
whole with me. I was in the center seat, and they were next to me.

1413
01:41:10,270 --> 01:41:18,810
And we recognized each other and they were reading a book that was about line.

1414
01:41:19,490 --> 01:41:24,330
And I asked him, I mean we were having a very nice conversation and I don't want to

1415
01:41:24,330 --> 01:41:27,470
out anybody so I won't name anybody or name the book.

1416
01:41:27,950 --> 01:41:35,010
But it was about line and I asked him, so are you trying to become better at detecting lines

1417
01:41:35,010 --> 01:41:39,830
or becoming a better liar, and he answered both.

1418
01:41:40,930 --> 01:41:45,830
So I want you to think about that when we talk later on

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01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:49,390
about flock technology and master valence.

1420
01:41:50,990 --> 01:41:54,910
The goals that I saw listed were not community focused.

1421
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:59,710
And I think one of the things that we really need to think about

1422
01:41:59,710 --> 01:42:03,630
is a city is that our law enforcement should be here

1423
01:42:03,630 --> 01:42:11,070
also to protect us as residents and we need to make sure that we have an informed

1424
01:42:12,850 --> 01:42:18,790
force that understands our constitutional rights and our human rights when they are

1425
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:20,650
interacting with us.

1426
01:42:21,010 --> 01:42:21,930
Thank you.

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01:42:23,540 --> 01:42:24,040
Thank you.

1428
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:25,840
And one final call for Darth Vader.

1429
01:42:27,660 --> 01:42:27,840
All right.

1430
01:42:28,060 --> 01:42:29,820
That concludes testimony here in chambers.

1431
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:35,020
So I will begin the five minute timer for all those in the virtual queue to indicate if they

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01:42:35,020 --> 01:42:39,540
number three, we currently have two hands raised, and we will begin testimony with

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01:42:39,540 --> 01:42:43,100
Ale, please unmute and begin. You will have two minutes.

1434
01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:51,600
Hi, thank you. My name is Alecandro, and I'm born and raised in South

1435
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:56,560
San Diego and South East as well. I'm here on my personal capacity. Just speaking

1436
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:02,420
to these trainings that I'm seeing, you know, someone that works with currently

1437
01:43:02,420 --> 01:43:06,320
formerly incarcerated young people, young people that are being impacted by the

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01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:11,900
justice system, predominantly young people of color, especially girls who are

1439
01:43:11,900 --> 01:43:15,700
disproportionately affected by the policing that's happening in our communities.

1440
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:21,560
It's frustrating to look at these trainings because we sit in meetings with

1441
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:25,760
your attendance, we sit in meetings with other law enforcement agencies in

1442
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:32,400
the community, both in the county and the city, and kind of just what the

1443
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,780
there is no lived experience to be here.

1444
01:43:36,820 --> 01:43:38,740
It's great to have all these trainings,

1445
01:43:39,100 --> 01:43:40,180
but who's training you?

1446
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:43,460
Are the people that you are directly impacting

1447
01:43:43,460 --> 01:43:46,180
through your policing, through your policies,

1448
01:43:46,580 --> 01:43:47,600
perhaps are outdated?

1449
01:43:48,900 --> 01:43:51,880
And where is the intent and the effort to collaborate

1450
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:53,440
with those lived experience organizations

1451
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:57,160
that are the reason why your crime rates are going down?

1452
01:43:57,580 --> 01:43:59,760
We also have to acknowledge that as well.

1453
01:43:59,980 --> 01:44:01,700
Public safety is the funding

1454
01:44:01,700 --> 01:44:06,200
of these community-based organizations that are doing this work on the ground when you are not

1455
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:11,100
there, two, three, four, five in the morning, 11pm at night, these lived experience mentors

1456
01:44:11,100 --> 01:44:15,360
that are getting these calls. They're not calling police officers. They're calling formally

1457
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:20,640
incarcerated individuals that have transformed their lives and have shown this change and have

1458
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:24,960
become these leaders in their communities. And I don't see any of these people training you all.

1459
01:44:25,220 --> 01:44:29,640
And it's just really frustrating because you're continuing to use the same game plan

1460
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:35,600
and the same strategy and you're going to a season and it's all in 16 again and when are y'all

1461
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:40,780
gonna continue or when are gonna begin collaborating with the community and lived experience

1462
01:44:40,780 --> 01:44:46,060
individuals so that we don't come here year and year and year in every single public safety

1463
01:44:46,060 --> 01:44:52,540
committee meeting asking for the same thing. Thank you. Thank you for your testimony. Our next speaker

1464
01:44:52,540 --> 01:44:59,840
Here is phone number ending in 5, 8, 6, 8, you can press star 6 to unmute phone number

1465
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,900
Good evening and five, eight, six, eight.

1466
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:05,220
Okay, can you hear me?

1467
01:45:05,500 --> 01:45:06,480
We can, please proceed.

1468
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:12,980
Wonderful, wonderful. I would like to thank all the police officers for their presentations.

1469
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:19,760
And I was sorry to see the neighborhood policing division go. That was a very good presentation.

1470
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:27,380
And they are a very sincere and diligent in helping people that don't have any place to live.

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01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:36,580
I was also very impressed with training divisions, presentation, and all the new training they wish to implement.

1472
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:42,060
I have just a few suggestions from the outside.

1473
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:44,360
Are there going to be benchmarks?

1474
01:45:44,940 --> 01:45:47,020
Do you see if this training is effective?

1475
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:52,820
And it's not just going to be checking about that this training was done.

1476
01:45:52,820 --> 01:46:02,900
Are there ways that the police department can see that these trainings are having a positive effect on the department?

1477
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:08,280
Also, are there going to be feedback from the officers that take this training?

1478
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:15,800
Will they have input as to whether it's the effect they feel it's effective or not?

1479
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:24,240
The last thing is you can have all the training in the world, but if you're very short

1480
01:46:25,180 --> 01:46:31,000
staffed and some of your staff are burned out because of excessive over time, you're not

1481
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,860
going to be able to train your way out of that.

1482
01:46:34,380 --> 01:46:43,520
So I would implore the committee to talk to the rest of the city council and divert the

1483
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:57,820
like $40 million a year that we're paying in officer over time and to actually hire the staff that this police department needs so that they can protect and serve this community.

1484
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:07,200
And they need to be mindful that they protect and they serve and they need to be mindful of the public's constitutional rights.

1485
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:08,860
Thank you.

1486
01:47:08,860 --> 01:47:11,000
Thank you for your testimony.

1487
01:47:12,440 --> 01:47:14,640
Natalie Humphrey, please unmute and begin.

1488
01:47:14,740 --> 01:47:16,920
You will have two minutes to speak to item three.

1489
01:47:19,500 --> 01:47:19,760
Hi, there.

1490
01:47:20,300 --> 01:47:23,640
I am here in my personal capacity as well.

1491
01:47:24,440 --> 01:47:28,460
I'm speaking as actually a child of sheriff's

1492
01:47:28,460 --> 01:47:30,600
deputies for San Diego County.

1493
01:47:31,860 --> 01:47:35,440
And I'd like to piggyback off of what Alejandro said earlier,

1494
01:47:36,060 --> 01:47:39,820
regarding the training and who's training and

1495
01:47:39,820 --> 01:47:45,540
who's providing the feedback, I would have to agree also that I don't think it's just training,

1496
01:47:46,380 --> 01:47:55,940
you know, in my personal experience, I have a very, like dual type of experience with police

1497
01:47:55,940 --> 01:48:05,360
work on one hand, my mom, I was a share of 70 for 27 years and her breath. She had never filled

1498
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:10,780
to take a book and that she had never had to fire her weapon on duty and then on the other

1499
01:48:10,780 --> 01:48:18,980
hand I had my father who was a sheriff's deputy for San Diego County as a sergeant detective

1500
01:48:18,980 --> 01:48:27,380
and was pretty openly known in the department for domestic violence and was never once arrested

1501
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:34,100
and there is a 40% self-report rate for domestic violence in police work

1502
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:41,800
And so I think part of it also is not just training, but personal accountability and tolerating

1503
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:48,160
that kind of personal and private behavior from our officers because it impacts how

1504
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:49,240
they serve our community.

1505
01:48:51,100 --> 01:48:52,160
That's my time.

1506
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:57,420
Thank you for your testimony and share with the time concluding and know their hands raised

1507
01:48:57,420 --> 01:48:57,840
in the queue.

1508
01:48:57,940 --> 01:49:00,360
This concludes testimony for item number three.

1509
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:09,540
Thank you very much and thank you to everybody who spoke on this item all turn over to my colleagues for any questions or comments

1510
01:49:09,540 --> 01:49:13,720
And this is an informational item only so no motion is required and we'll start with Vice Chair Campio

1511
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:17,020
Thank you chair. Thank you to our police department for your presentation your good work

1512
01:49:17,780 --> 01:49:20,560
Obviously training has to remain a top priority for the department as

1513
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:28,820
Environment changes as crime changes and I know we're putting a lot of good minds to that. I was wondering how frequently the average

1514
01:49:28,820 --> 01:49:36,700
press troll officer gets scenario-based de-escalation training so that after graduating from

1515
01:49:36,700 --> 01:49:42,320
the Academy, so we have a sense of how repetitive it is that our officers are exposed to

1516
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:48,080
techniques that are meant to reduce violence and the need for force relative to the fact that

1517
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:51,180
sometimes force is necessary to protect the public.

1518
01:49:52,580 --> 01:49:58,200
So with the new train teams, the goal is to at least every shift so every four months to have

1519
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:03,300
train teams in front of those divisions two to three times. So that would be repetition training

1520
01:50:03,300 --> 01:50:09,540
through that based on different scenarios. And then I'd like to mention the comment about

1521
01:50:09,540 --> 01:50:14,220
the VR. We do use VR. We've been using it for years. What I mentioned is some of the new programs.

1522
01:50:14,660 --> 01:50:21,360
Part of our grant we have, moving forward is the more updated VR, the mixed reality where we take

1523
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:23,620
those headsets to the officers,

1524
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,340
they could go simply as in the parking lot,

1525
01:50:26,540 --> 01:50:30,120
and characters could be involved in that mixed reality

1526
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:34,100
train and de-escalation decision making that all can happen

1527
01:50:34,100 --> 01:50:36,040
right there at the command moving forward.

1528
01:50:36,580 --> 01:50:39,660
Understood, do you have a sense of what percentage

1529
01:50:41,260 --> 01:50:44,160
of the hours worked by a police officer

1530
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:49,440
on an annual basis are training as opposed to field work,

1531
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:50,500
as opposed to patrol.

1532
01:50:50,500 --> 01:50:57,740
So, that we get a sense of this is the proportion that law enforcement officer receives to stay up to

1533
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:02,020
up to par and better than up to par while they're on the job.

1534
01:51:02,580 --> 01:51:04,000
So, there's different components of it.

1535
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:07,560
We have the post-mandated training, like I mentioned, that's 40 hours.

1536
01:51:08,540 --> 01:51:15,900
And then, in addition to the training we're providing, I'm going to estimate that probably be at least 10 hours or so.

1537
01:51:15,900 --> 01:51:22,120
And then that's the insurface side, that is the field interaction, that's a narrow base,

1538
01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:26,960
and then we have the leadership component, too, that all these courses that were

1539
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:32,760
our relatively new that were moving forward with, and those vary from one-day courses to command

1540
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:39,160
cohort is three months, eight sessions. So that varies, and that's how it's broken down in those segments.

1541
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:44,500
Okay, and to be promoted through, do you have to show particular number of hours or coursework

1542
01:51:44,500 --> 01:51:52,200
to go from a police officer, to police officer, three, to sergeant upwards, there's to rise in

1543
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:56,940
responsibility and authority. You need to show certain level of expertise and coursework as well,

1544
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:01,520
right? Correct. So, promotions would start at the detective level followed by the sergeant

1545
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:06,220
and up, and those are going to be based on the minimum eligibility, which is a set time on the

1546
01:52:06,220 --> 01:52:12,540
department, and then that whole rating is their experience, different assignments today. They work,

1547
01:52:12,540 --> 01:52:16,680
how they get on the written test, how they do on the oral interview panel, and that's all

1548
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,580
combined into one score and promotions are based off those.

1549
01:52:20,340 --> 01:52:24,780
Okay, well thank you for answering those questions to give us a sense of what the regular training

1550
01:52:24,780 --> 01:52:33,580
and regular exposure to improved techniques, habits, and so on, that our officers go through

1551
01:52:33,580 --> 01:52:38,720
so that we can continue to improve our crime-detecting ability, our interaction with the public,

1552
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:43,460
our preservation of rights and preservation of the public and their property.

1553
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:44,320
Thank you.

1554
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:46,140
Thank you.

1555
01:52:46,140 --> 01:52:46,800
Thank you.

1556
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:48,700
And thank you for the presentation.

1557
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:52,140
We talk about training officers a lot.

1558
01:52:52,740 --> 01:52:58,580
I'm standing with our firefighters and our lifeguards and anyone who has to interact with the public in life for desistuations.

1559
01:52:59,820 --> 01:53:07,200
And one thing I did here that absolutely breaks my heart is that you're having to search out grants for increased training.

1560
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:15,420
You know, we talk about the fleece budget a lot and it is something we're working on over time and

1561
01:53:15,420 --> 01:53:18,720
recording it in, but training should be something that's fully funded.

1562
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,800
And so I'm glad you've been creative in getting grants, but you know, the State of California,

1563
01:53:23,140 --> 01:53:26,980
which imposes post-training should also be providing funding for this too.

1564
01:53:27,580 --> 01:53:30,640
So just thank you for sharing that with us, and thank you to the fleece foundation for the work

1565
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:31,160
they're doing.

1566
01:53:31,860 --> 01:53:35,040
I know that you provide equipment that we can't afford the city, but I didn't realize

1567
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:38,780
that you're having to try so hard to scrap together funds for increased leadership training

1568
01:53:38,780 --> 01:53:39,900
and things that we want.

1569
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:42,080
So Captain, thank you for doing that.

1570
01:53:42,220 --> 01:53:44,200
We'll attend it for going above and beyond.

1571
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:45,460
But that's noted.

1572
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:48,440
And next time I talk to our leaders in Sacramento and my counterparts,

1573
01:53:49,460 --> 01:53:51,780
we need to start thinking about how we fully fund that.

1574
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:54,280
Because it's also not fair for us to put officers out

1575
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:56,820
in the street without the training they need to interact

1576
01:53:56,820 --> 01:53:58,240
in these life or death situations.

1577
01:54:00,380 --> 01:54:00,900
So just noted.

1578
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:02,080
So thank you for sharing that.

1579
01:54:02,340 --> 01:54:03,360
I want to ask as well.

1580
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:06,220
We have quite a few newer officers on the force

1581
01:54:06,220 --> 01:54:08,260
because we had a large wave of retirements here

1582
01:54:08,260 --> 01:54:14,000
the past years in San Diego. So what is the basic training that they go to? They have the academy

1583
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:18,820
and then they have what what happens next? How do we make sure they're ready to do the job?

1584
01:54:19,420 --> 01:54:24,140
So once they graduate from the academy, which is approximately seven months, they go into,

1585
01:54:24,420 --> 01:54:29,720
yes, seven months. They go to our field training program and they're assigned to field training

1586
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:36,020
officers for a total of four months. And generally it's a month with each train officer and they rotate

1587
01:54:36,020 --> 01:54:43,040
around different divisions. After that, if they have any training deficiencies, we continue that phase

1588
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:49,300
training up to two additional months to make sure they're efficient in their overall job duties

1589
01:54:49,300 --> 01:54:56,760
of police officers and you also have to remember Post does mandate and have set curriculum that the

1590
01:54:56,760 --> 01:55:02,920
officers have to achieve during phase training. There's a training book guidebook that they have to

1591
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:10,020
complete. Many pages of tasks, certain crime investigations, certain types of arrests, certain

1592
01:55:10,020 --> 01:55:13,520
seizures, all of that has to be completed through phase training. And that kind of

1593
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:19,980
gets me back to your question earlier with Captain Shibowski. The main reason they don't

1594
01:55:19,980 --> 01:55:26,260
go to MPD first is because of that high volume of training they need across the board as a police

1595
01:55:26,260 --> 01:55:31,600
officer to work an area command. Once they complete that, now their full functioning police

1596
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,680
they go to MPD after that train is completed.

1597
01:55:35,780 --> 01:55:38,160
So that is the initial beginning of a police officer,

1598
01:55:39,140 --> 01:55:41,660
and what we're trying to build on now

1599
01:55:41,660 --> 01:55:44,300
is that continual training for the young officers

1600
01:55:44,300 --> 01:55:45,560
to do have a young force.

1601
01:55:46,260 --> 01:55:48,820
So that's where now the training teams are involved

1602
01:55:48,820 --> 01:55:52,660
with more of the tactical side, the de-escalation,

1603
01:55:53,100 --> 01:55:55,860
all of those in service side of the train,

1604
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:58,720
and then that development and mentoring

1605
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:04,840
of the young officers to move on through their careers to what's called a police officer

1606
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:11,220
too and then up through detective or sergeant rank or specialized unit those that's

1607
01:56:11,220 --> 01:56:16,720
where we need to step in and that was our one of our goals is to get that experience and

1608
01:56:17,260 --> 01:56:22,660
give them the opportunities to expand their career and have a pathway moving forward.

1609
01:56:23,260 --> 01:56:29,640
Okay, and what is the sapin level of the training division? Are you guys fully staffed?

1610
01:56:30,700 --> 01:56:35,840
We're just about fully staffed. Again, it was chief wall's priority to increase training

1611
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:41,160
division, so that has increased significantly. I want to say approximately 40% of my staffing

1612
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:45,500
was increased. There's a couple openings, just because we have some movement coming on that,

1613
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:51,860
but again, the goal of I think getting in front of our officers early,

1614
01:56:51,860 --> 01:56:58,440
provide in the training. I think the better decisions, the correct decisions,

1615
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:03,820
the more prepared, the better outcome for them, the community, the trust, and all of that.

1616
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:08,430
So that is at the focus. Sure, I'd love to sit here and insert, I'll take more

1617
01:57:09,180 --> 01:57:15,300
officers, as I of course I would, but there's a balance between still patrol staffing and

1618
01:57:15,300 --> 01:57:20,080
staffing units like mine. Okay, and once the changes that you talked to that I wanted to

1619
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:26,700
into was prior to the current chief in service training was done on a two-year rotating basis

1620
01:57:26,700 --> 01:57:32,120
to the same officers once in 48 months would get training that could be stale.

1621
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:37,160
You know, 48 months later, that's two years there could be new tactics, new updated things

1622
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:40,680
we have to learn or use the force incident that went wrong and we should learn from.

1623
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:44,780
So, how are you now training more in real-time?

1624
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:48,640
You know, say we have a use of force incident, it does not go that the way that it should have gone.

1625
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:52,860
And how do you then train the current officers not to learn from that?

1626
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:57,880
So those are the emerging trends that we've talked about and our first analysis unit,

1627
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:04,440
we look at incidents and we determine not just within the unit but the officers involved,

1628
01:58:04,620 --> 01:58:10,700
that command involved, is there a need and so what is the path forward with that training?

1629
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:16,580
So that is our number one focus, that is one of the rules of the training teams is to look at an incident

1630
01:58:16,580 --> 01:58:22,360
that maybe goes viral or something gets sent to us to review from a use of force perspective.

1631
01:58:22,900 --> 01:58:31,240
That is our goal to correct any necessary, you know, whether it is a tactic, whether it

1632
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:34,660
was a technique, whether it was a tool, use whatever the case may be.

1633
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:41,080
Our goal is to make any corrections, make adjustments, and also certainly highlight the successes

1634
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:48,320
and what was done correctly and the interventions and the de-escalations and avoiding a use of force.

1635
01:58:48,580 --> 01:58:52,960
So that's the other side of the coin as well to highlight that part of it.

1636
01:58:53,140 --> 01:58:57,200
And how do you do that? How do you get that training to the 118 hundred officers?

1637
01:58:57,420 --> 01:59:00,900
So the training teams, they're creating the content. They're creating the curriculum.

1638
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:03,420
They're getting out in front of the officers at lineups.

1639
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:08,460
They go to lineups and they'll provide a training overview.

1640
01:59:08,460 --> 01:59:23,940
Maybe a PowerPoint, maybe some video, and they'll talk about the incident, and then they immediately move to a parking lot or location or even inside the command to run through scenario-based training to look at, you know, what was just taught.

1641
01:59:24,500 --> 01:59:36,100
And even in Ghostory Case Law, new cases that come out across the board that is their main role, and the key for them is pivoting to when something else needs to be addressed.

1642
01:59:36,100 --> 01:59:38,860
and they have the flexibility and the ability to do that.

1643
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:43,900
Okay, that's a much better system than waiting for every two years for people to get to a curriculum.

1644
01:59:44,360 --> 01:59:46,080
So I'm glad to see that that's happening.

1645
01:59:47,500 --> 01:59:50,040
And how do you know, how do you evaluate the training?

1646
01:59:50,540 --> 01:59:52,900
Are there evaluations where officers can say this was helpful?

1647
01:59:53,100 --> 01:59:55,580
Not helpful? How do you continually improve on how we're training officers?

1648
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:59,360
So, every course we do, we have some kind of feedback evaluation.

1649
02:00:00,580 --> 02:00:29,740
You know, a form or whether it's online or paper. We look at the reviews. We have conversation with the officers. We have conversation with the supervisors. We get their input for the training needs as well. There's a small group of us for 1800 officers. I tell them we need your input. We want your input. So that is the main way for us to look at training. And then also focus on direct squat needs or division needs, policing is different in different divisions.

1650
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:33,080
There's different needs for different divisions.

1651
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:36,440
So that's part of the focus, but most of it comes back

1652
02:00:36,440 --> 02:00:39,400
from the officers themselves, the training they want to see,

1653
02:00:39,420 --> 02:00:41,280
the successes they want to see.

1654
02:00:41,740 --> 02:00:43,820
And I know someone mentioned how do we measure that?

1655
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:44,920
Measuring, tough sometimes.

1656
02:00:45,540 --> 02:00:47,640
But there's many ways we can still look at it.

1657
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:49,340
We can look at it from our force analysis unit

1658
02:00:49,340 --> 02:00:52,520
to see where our incidents that we capture,

1659
02:00:53,020 --> 02:00:55,440
how the level of whether it's the statistics of use

1660
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:58,460
of force versus our interactions versus use of force

1661
02:00:58,460 --> 02:01:00,620
on a rest or enforcement action,

1662
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:03,260
that's a way to measure training successes,

1663
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:06,020
internal affairs, you know, complaints

1664
02:01:06,020 --> 02:01:10,020
on certain topics is a way to measure successes as well.

1665
02:01:10,700 --> 02:01:13,840
And then again, the feedback is another big part of it.

1666
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:15,940
And so that's, that's the ways we look at it

1667
02:01:15,940 --> 02:01:17,340
to see if our training is successful.

1668
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:20,340
Okay, and what happens if an officer

1669
02:01:20,340 --> 02:01:21,720
doesn't demonstrate proficiency?

1670
02:01:23,700 --> 02:01:26,260
So the immediate role of their supervisors

1671
02:01:26,260 --> 02:01:33,000
to identify that. Contact us, depending on what the deficiencies, we will provide the resources

1672
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:39,380
of training necessary. Whether it's report writing, whether it's traffic stops, psoriasitation,

1673
02:01:40,780 --> 02:01:47,220
I can reach out to all of my instructors. I have instructors across the board that are in

1674
02:01:47,220 --> 02:01:54,260
catamines, structures to their adjunct instructors, their core, post-approved instructors. Any topic

1675
02:01:54,260 --> 02:02:00,620
with in police work, I have resources to provide them to training. Sometimes it's handled with just

1676
02:02:00,620 --> 02:02:07,440
a interaction between the supervisor and the officer, the accountability piece is a part of that.

1677
02:02:07,940 --> 02:02:14,420
That's important as well. And so those are the ways we encourage our patrol supervisors,

1678
02:02:14,620 --> 02:02:19,660
are the tenets to manage those training deficiencies that they are going to be the first one

1679
02:02:19,660 --> 02:02:25,880
recognizing. Okay, and you know, one of the callers talked about there's some things that you

1680
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:31,780
can't train. There's just some character in judgment, flaws that make it so that you know

1681
02:02:31,780 --> 02:02:37,580
don't be trusted to wear a badge. And so how do you determine between someone who just needs

1682
02:02:37,580 --> 02:02:41,540
extra training on how to do this scenario, how to, you know, de-escalate, how to, you know, write

1683
02:02:41,540 --> 02:02:48,820
the Berkeley report versus somebody who is not able to restrain themselves for use of force or

1684
02:02:48,820 --> 02:02:50,800
committing violence outside of the job,

1685
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:51,700
including domestic violence,

1686
02:02:51,820 --> 02:02:53,580
how do you differentiate that

1687
02:02:53,580 --> 02:02:56,240
and appropriately discipline how you need to?

1688
02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:58,900
Those are the greatest cases.

1689
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:01,100
Those obviously need to be handled aggressively

1690
02:03:02,160 --> 02:03:05,280
and, you know, immediately, either by our PSU,

1691
02:03:05,340 --> 02:03:07,760
a professional standards unit on criminal activity,

1692
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:10,920
or any kind of violation of laws

1693
02:03:10,920 --> 02:03:12,800
and then our internal affairs,

1694
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:15,620
depending on what the scope of the investigation is.

1695
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:18,020
We get involved after the fact

1696
02:03:18,020 --> 02:03:25,720
If there is a discipline recommendation that involves training, we would be involved at that point.

1697
02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:32,480
So depending on what it is, if an officer was disciplined, maybe given a written warning for something,

1698
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:41,180
that discipline could include a training aspect, whether it's four hours on whatever the topic would be,

1699
02:03:41,180 --> 02:03:44,340
or it's, we send them to, even a class sometimes

1700
02:03:44,340 --> 02:03:45,420
that we've done that.

1701
02:03:45,860 --> 02:03:48,300
So it just depends on what the topic is

1702
02:03:48,300 --> 02:03:51,340
and what is documented in the discipline recommendation.

1703
02:03:53,540 --> 02:03:55,920
I have many more questions, but we have to get to our committee

1704
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,400
hearing, so I ask you as well, I'll find,

1705
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:02,060
because I believe training is incredibly important.

1706
02:04:02,060 --> 02:04:04,860
It is important for the community, but it's also important

1707
02:04:04,860 --> 02:04:07,720
that we send officers out with the best training we can.

1708
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:10,980
One of the questions from the community members

1709
02:04:10,980 --> 02:04:14,500
was how is PD interacting with the community and giving feedback on training?

1710
02:04:15,320 --> 02:04:19,200
And I know we have the no-shots fire program where we're used folks who are formally

1711
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:24,640
either incarcerated or had issues with gun violence or who are now helping alongside PD

1712
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:25,880
to reduce gun violence.

1713
02:04:26,380 --> 02:04:30,500
We have the Commission on Police Practices, but how is it that the community could also give

1714
02:04:30,500 --> 02:04:33,860
input into better ways that officers can interact with the community?

1715
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:40,900
So even from upon graduation of the Academy, some of our ASU specific training involved

1716
02:04:40,900 --> 02:04:46,500
spending days with the community, different community groups, listening to them, talk about

1717
02:04:46,500 --> 02:04:52,280
cultures and community needs. Most of our leadership training has outside people instructing

1718
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:58,780
to some degree community members, you know, even council sometimes comes and talks about the

1719
02:04:58,780 --> 02:05:05,320
city side of things. So we do involve outside members of the community to come to all of that training

1720
02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:14,800
and they do. We also reach out to outside organizations. This is the first time, at least

1721
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:21,180
a micro that I know of that. We've reached out to even executives from businesses to provide

1722
02:05:21,180 --> 02:05:27,220
that aspect of leadership training. We need to get out of the bubble sometimes within the agency

1723
02:05:27,220 --> 02:05:33,080
and look at different training needs that aren't all about law enforcement. So that's part of the

1724
02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:40,780
And so it includes a lot of people from the outside and they're more than happy to come and share their experiences and and share their

1725
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:49,460
goals that they've ran through their company and the successes and the not successes. So that's all part of it and then

1726
02:05:50,340 --> 02:05:58,720
You know the no shots fired. I was involved with that initially as a lieutenant in the gang in it and I was a big part of community involvement and

1727
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:01,060
using those resources

1728
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:07,620
to have out there in the availability and the community to be a voice for us.

1729
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:12,020
We need the community to be involved as a successful police department.

1730
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:13,740
That is so important.

1731
02:06:15,660 --> 02:06:19,460
That is one of our focus of the training division is certainly involved all of that.

1732
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:20,180
Fantastic.

1733
02:06:21,300 --> 02:06:25,120
I didn't see in the PowerPoint either, but I'm glad that you're having outside folks come in to

1734
02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:27,440
do training at all levels for leadership and below.

1735
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:31,020
So, well, thank you very much for coming today.

1736
02:06:31,380 --> 02:06:34,180
I've learned a lot about how we need to do a better job,

1737
02:06:34,200 --> 02:06:37,360
making sure that leadership training is funded at the department.

1738
02:06:38,900 --> 02:06:40,740
I know we're doing with issues with the gun range

1739
02:06:40,740 --> 02:06:42,240
and how they're overcharging us for rent

1740
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:44,480
and all of the things that you're dealing with,

1741
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:46,640
but I just appreciate you for coming in

1742
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:47,720
and for talking about this,

1743
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:49,200
and I'm sure we'll continue this conversation.

1744
02:06:50,020 --> 02:06:51,260
So, unless my colleagues have any other questions?

1745
02:06:51,660 --> 02:06:52,720
No. Thank you so much.

1746
02:06:52,860 --> 02:06:54,720
Thank you very much. I appreciate your time.

1747
02:06:56,180 --> 02:07:00,300
And I appreciate all the members of the public who called it and gave us their time, too.

1748
02:07:00,720 --> 02:07:03,460
So this is an informational item, so no motion is required.

1749
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:06,320
And now we will take up non-agenda public comments.

1750
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:10,880
The council respects, or sorry, the council members are expecting appreciate the public's input

1751
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:15,180
and our fully committed protecting every participants for a speech rights, a council and committee meetings.

1752
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:17,520
Sarah, please proceed with non-agenda public comment.

1753
02:07:18,260 --> 02:07:19,700
Thank you, Chair von Wilpert.

1754
02:07:19,700 --> 02:07:25,360
Approved 2.7 non-agenda public comment is an opportunity for members of the public to comment on items that are not on the agenda

1755
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:31,120
But are within the subject matter jurisdiction of this committee each speaker will have two minutes as a reminder to our speakers

1756
02:07:31,120 --> 02:07:39,620
If there are eight or more speakers on a single issue during non-agenda public comment time the maximum time for the topic will be 16 minutes for in-person speakers

1757
02:07:39,620 --> 02:07:41,940
and eight speakers and

1758
02:07:41,940 --> 02:07:47,760
or 16 minutes for virtual speakers once the maximum amount of speakers allotted has exhausted on a single topic

1759
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:51,920
we will no longer hear public comment on the topic. Members of the public can submit their

1760
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:56,380
comment at council committee at sandiago.gov and council administration will post and distribute

1761
02:07:56,380 --> 02:08:00,380
your comment to the committee members. If you're watching on city TV or live stream online

1762
02:08:00,380 --> 02:08:07,640
and you'd like to dial in a speak, please call 1692545252, including webinar ID1613980144.

1763
02:08:10,070 --> 02:08:16,010
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1764
02:08:16,010 --> 02:08:18,490
Please come to the Reserves seats at the front of the room.

1765
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:21,070
We will begin testimony with Lori Lipsman.

1766
02:08:21,550 --> 02:08:28,070
You will be followed by Brandon S. Omar Miguel Fuentes,

1767
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:32,230
McKenzie Martinez, and Patricia Madrigan.

1768
02:08:32,610 --> 02:08:34,970
If these individuals can please come up and be ready

1769
02:08:34,970 --> 02:08:37,390
for when their time to speak comes up.

1770
02:08:37,410 --> 02:08:39,670
And we will begin testimony with Lori Lipsman.

1771
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:42,810
Hello again, Lori Lipsman, district three.

1772
02:08:42,990 --> 02:08:44,150
Ronan, she, her.

1773
02:08:44,150 --> 02:08:54,630
I am here to speak to the City Committee about getting rid of flock or any surveillance cameras in our city.

1774
02:08:55,290 --> 02:09:03,370
This has been an issue going on and I know I spoke about it for a while and I don't understand why the city is still insist on having it.

1775
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:09,730
There has been issues nationwide and within our system that have not been addressed and it's not safe.

1776
02:09:09,730 --> 02:09:13,910
There's no safety in flock and you need to stop flock now.

1777
02:09:18,080 --> 02:09:18,560
Thank you.

1778
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:21,260
Our next speaker is Brandon?

1779
02:09:25,010 --> 02:09:26,590
Good afternoon, Council members.

1780
02:09:26,770 --> 02:09:28,250
My name is Brandon Christopher Cigua.

1781
02:09:28,390 --> 02:09:31,890
And I am a senior policy advocate for the ACLU of San Diego and Imperial counties.

1782
02:09:33,170 --> 02:09:36,670
Everyone in this country has the right to move freely without being surveilled.

1783
02:09:36,930 --> 02:09:39,390
To associate where and with whom they choose.

1784
02:09:40,090 --> 02:09:42,010
And to be protected against unreasonable searches.

1785
02:09:42,010 --> 02:09:49,350
And yet, the City of San Diego continues to embrace a technology that puts those rights in jeopardy.

1786
02:09:49,710 --> 02:09:54,770
Automated license plate readers or ALPRs have been used to criminalize people seeking health care,

1787
02:09:55,110 --> 02:10:01,630
stock former romantic partners of law enforcement officers, and aid this federal administration's brutal mass deportation agenda.

1788
02:10:03,050 --> 02:10:10,150
And San Diego specifically, a LPA LALPR data has been shared with U.S. Customs and Board of

1789
02:10:10,150 --> 02:10:15,290
Protection, an LPR hit caused the wrongful arrest of a man resulting in him being jailed

1790
02:10:15,290 --> 02:10:22,070
for a month, and LPR also led San Diego police officers to respond to fashion valley when

1791
02:10:22,070 --> 02:10:25,850
there was a mass shooting occurring more than five miles north at the Islamic Center

1792
02:10:25,850 --> 02:10:26,550
of San Diego.

1793
02:10:32,230 --> 02:10:34,110
And this is just what's been discovered so far.

1794
02:10:34,870 --> 02:10:41,150
today I bring your attention to the more than 1900 residents, visitors, and neighbors of the city of San Diego,

1795
02:10:41,470 --> 02:10:45,890
who signed a petition demanding that the city cancel all of its ALPR contracts.

1796
02:10:46,730 --> 02:10:50,330
Join the 95 cities that have already rejected ALPR systems.

1797
02:10:50,770 --> 02:10:51,270
Thank you.

1798
02:10:54,910 --> 02:10:55,730
Thank you, Omar.

1799
02:10:58,200 --> 02:10:59,500
Is Omar aversion here?

1800
02:11:02,020 --> 02:11:02,060
Okay.

1801
02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:03,320
Miguel Fuentes.

1802
02:11:07,070 --> 02:11:07,830
Mackenzie Martinez.

1803
02:11:13,620 --> 02:11:14,100
Good afternoon.

1804
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:17,560
My name is Mackenzie Martinez and I'm here with Alliance San Diego.

1805
02:11:17,560 --> 02:11:22,620
to speak in strong support of terminating the city's ALPR contract with flock safety.

1806
02:11:23,460 --> 02:11:27,900
Our city has been made no safer because of ALPR cameras and if anything,

1807
02:11:28,360 --> 02:11:34,140
these have exacerbated community distrust and fears specifically in our local government and police force.

1808
02:11:34,620 --> 02:11:37,320
People are already afraid to drop their kids off at school,

1809
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:41,880
leave their homes to buy groceries or even visit a doctor for life-saving medical treatment.

1810
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:50,160
In over 60 incidences in 2024 alone, SBFDPD shared flock data with third parties in ice, which

1811
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:54,320
retrieves our trust as community members and blatantly attacks our human rights.

1812
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:58,220
This is not how we solve crime or make our city safer for our children.

1813
02:11:58,860 --> 02:12:04,260
If you truly care about the dignity of our communities, you will terminate all APLPR contracts

1814
02:12:04,260 --> 02:12:10,080
with flock and put those resources into programs with proven success to improve our city, such

1815
02:12:10,080 --> 02:12:13,160
libraries, youth programs, and parks. Thank you.

1816
02:12:15,570 --> 02:12:17,990
Thank you. Our next speaker is Patricia Madrugam.

1817
02:12:19,290 --> 02:12:19,910
Good afternoon.

1818
02:12:20,270 --> 02:12:22,330
Bethesia Mowen that I go in from Alliance San Diego.

1819
02:12:22,890 --> 02:12:25,810
We have come before this body repeatedly asking you to

1820
02:12:25,810 --> 02:12:27,910
end San Diego contract with Flock Safety.

1821
02:12:29,050 --> 02:12:31,950
Meanwhile, cities across the country are responding to the dangers

1822
02:12:31,950 --> 02:12:33,190
of this technology.

1823
02:12:33,830 --> 02:12:36,490
At least 54 U.S. cities and local jurisdictions

1824
02:12:36,490 --> 02:12:40,030
have rejected canceled or suspended Flock systems.

1825
02:12:40,030 --> 02:12:46,390
with some tracking efforts putting that number above 80, not including other institutions like

1826
02:12:46,390 --> 02:12:50,470
universities, campuses, and campuses who are also removing cameras.

1827
02:12:51,210 --> 02:12:54,010
The simple reason is that these cameras are dangerous.

1828
02:12:54,750 --> 02:13:01,350
They create a searchable record of our movements, where we worship, work, organize, seek medical

1829
02:13:01,350 --> 02:13:04,070
care, and spend time with our families.

1830
02:13:04,670 --> 02:13:09,770
ALPR systems have been misused to stock and track people, the concerns are so serious that

1831
02:13:09,770 --> 02:13:14,870
even flock is now changing its own safeguards in response to misuse.

1832
02:13:15,450 --> 02:13:19,110
In a border city, the danger to immigrant communities is even greater.

1833
02:13:19,870 --> 02:13:26,670
It is unconscionable that a city led entirely by Democrats is falling this far behind

1834
02:13:26,670 --> 02:13:31,830
other communities on a fundamental civil rights and privacy issue.

1835
02:13:32,990 --> 02:13:38,270
C&D should be leading, not lagging, join the growing number of cities across the country,

1836
02:13:38,270 --> 02:13:45,070
and the Floor Contract, use choose community privacy and public trust over mass surveillance.

1837
02:13:48,260 --> 02:13:49,040
Thank you.

1838
02:13:49,140 --> 02:13:51,240
Our next speaker is Ellis Dingman.

1839
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:53,060
And is Ellis present?

1840
02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:02,340
And Ellis, you will be followed by Michelle DeDragon.

1841
02:14:03,560 --> 02:14:04,300
Elizabeth Gibbons.

1842
02:14:05,080 --> 02:14:08,140
And Julie, if these individuals can please make their way up to the seats.

1843
02:14:08,760 --> 02:14:09,520
And Ellis, please begin.

1844
02:14:10,500 --> 02:14:12,200
Hi, my name is Ellis Dingman.

1845
02:14:12,360 --> 02:14:14,340
I'm from District 2.

1846
02:14:16,900 --> 02:14:21,780
And I, we've seen how Flot gets used.

1847
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:29,460
I'm not going to spend my two minutes rehashing the helpless cases of police using these

1848
02:14:29,460 --> 02:14:34,780
cameras to pursue personal vendetta instead of actual public safety.

1849
02:14:36,500 --> 02:14:40,220
The only reason that I can think of at this point that you still like Flot is an obsession

1850
02:14:40,220 --> 02:14:41,280
with a bird theme.

1851
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:44,160
So we'll put this into language that I think you'll understand.

1852
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:47,220
Every system has vulnerabilities.

1853
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:52,600
When Flock collects this massive amount of information

1854
02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:57,160
about every single person in this city,

1855
02:14:57,640 --> 02:14:59,860
you are putting all of our eggs in one basket.

1856
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:21,740
One basket with a history of having foxes come and eat the eggs from it. And in this metaphor, those eggs are lives, those eggs are our ability to go to school without being followed by police, by police ten miles away, because we had a bad vibe.

1857
02:15:22,740 --> 02:15:25,500
This is allegedly about public safety.

1858
02:15:26,200 --> 02:15:27,840
I don't feel safer.

1859
02:15:28,580 --> 02:15:31,720
I don't feel safer knowing that the police can see me go

1860
02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:34,480
to the LGBT center or a pride parade.

1861
02:15:35,100 --> 02:15:38,460
I don't feel safer knowing that the police can see me

1862
02:15:38,460 --> 02:15:39,660
go to a protest.

1863
02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:42,480
None of this

1864
02:15:44,720 --> 02:15:46,080
is what safety is.

1865
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:48,740
Being watched by strangers.

1866
02:15:49,140 --> 02:15:51,960
No matter what job those strangers have

1867
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:55,040
It's not what safety is.

1868
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:57,040
Thank you for your time.

1869
02:16:00,090 --> 02:16:00,990
Thank you for your testimony.

1870
02:16:01,330 --> 02:16:02,630
Our next speaker is Michelle.

1871
02:16:06,330 --> 02:16:08,210
Good afternoon, Michelle Desjardin.

1872
02:16:08,890 --> 02:16:12,130
The people that spoke before me said it all,

1873
02:16:12,610 --> 02:16:17,390
that this is a gross violation of the Citizens of San Diego

1874
02:16:17,390 --> 02:16:18,870
as privacy rights.

1875
02:16:19,170 --> 02:16:21,610
It does not serve the public interest.

1876
02:16:21,690 --> 02:16:23,470
It does not promote safety.

1877
02:16:23,470 --> 02:16:29,750
It promotes surveillance of innocent people just going about their daily business.

1878
02:16:30,490 --> 02:16:32,250
It is or willian.

1879
02:16:32,410 --> 02:16:37,390
It buys into what is happening nationwide by the current administration.

1880
02:16:38,210 --> 02:16:39,370
And it should be stopped.

1881
02:16:39,790 --> 02:16:40,470
Thank you.

1882
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:43,540
Thank you.

1883
02:16:43,720 --> 02:16:48,020
That was our sixth speaker to the ALPR and surveillance items.

1884
02:16:48,460 --> 02:16:50,980
Our next speaker is Elizabeth Givens.

1885
02:16:54,700 --> 02:16:55,440
Thank you.

1886
02:16:55,440 --> 02:17:01,080
It's long overdue to cancel flock, and I have eight reasons, one, cost, especially in

1887
02:17:01,080 --> 02:17:02,640
this time of budget crisis.

1888
02:17:02,860 --> 02:17:08,560
Two, data errors with high error rates, innocent people are caught in its web.

1889
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:11,560
Some have been jailed, including a San Diego man.

1890
02:17:11,680 --> 02:17:13,520
These are expensive lawsuits.

1891
02:17:14,640 --> 02:17:19,480
The payouts have been huge, not necessarily here, but they will happen.

1892
02:17:19,480 --> 02:17:23,760
the Vallejo police department did a study.

1893
02:17:24,020 --> 02:17:28,780
They found a 37% error rate and that's huge.

1894
02:17:29,680 --> 02:17:32,640
Third, police officers nationally have used

1895
02:17:32,640 --> 02:17:34,360
flock to stock women.

1896
02:17:34,660 --> 02:17:37,180
There have been several such cases for.

1897
02:17:37,640 --> 02:17:39,280
Flock adoption here is based when

1898
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:41,160
when I consider to be corruption.

1899
02:17:41,780 --> 02:17:44,480
The police captain who aggressively pushed Flock,

1900
02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:47,600
then went on to work for Flock after retiring.

1901
02:17:47,600 --> 02:17:54,340
Five, flock data will be a target for federal agencies like ICE and CBP.

1902
02:17:54,860 --> 02:18:00,280
You argue with that guardrails will suffice, but when you are threatened, say, with losing

1903
02:18:00,280 --> 02:18:06,340
federal funding, you will take just like universities have law firms, media companies.

1904
02:18:07,140 --> 02:18:09,500
Six, flock is a bad corporate actor.

1905
02:18:09,860 --> 02:18:12,500
It is irresponsible and unethical.

1906
02:18:12,500 --> 02:18:18,400
numerous news articles have been documenting this, just look them up.

1907
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:25,440
Seven experts consider such warrantless massive surveillance to be a fourth amendment violation and eight.

1908
02:18:25,780 --> 02:18:32,000
More than 80 cities have canceled, clock, including LA, San Diego, must follow.

1909
02:18:33,160 --> 02:18:39,900
Please, and by the way, the reason for the cancellations sharing of data in violation of city rules.

1910
02:18:39,900 --> 02:18:45,860
So please let's fund libraries, parks, recsetters, and arts instead of flock.

1911
02:18:46,060 --> 02:18:47,180
Thank you very much.

1912
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:50,520
Thank you.

1913
02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:52,000
Our next speaker is Julie.

1914
02:18:53,060 --> 02:18:53,920
Is Julie present?

1915
02:18:56,260 --> 02:18:56,520
Amanda?

1916
02:19:00,890 --> 02:19:01,230
Valerie?

1917
02:19:21,540 --> 02:19:24,160
I'm Valerie Traina District 4.

1918
02:19:24,620 --> 02:19:30,800
Every dystopian society begins with mass surveillance of the common people.

1919
02:19:30,800 --> 02:19:37,860
I'm purposely wearing an orange top today to signify danger.

1920
02:19:38,840 --> 02:19:44,580
History books will publish one of the following statements about you all.

1921
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:53,460
One, San Diego City Council members voted to be traders to their constituents or two.

1922
02:19:53,460 --> 02:20:02,920
Members of San Diego City Council decided unanimously to protect San Diego's from an increasingly

1923
02:20:02,920 --> 02:20:06,380
fascist takeover of their government.

1924
02:20:18,140 --> 02:20:20,820
Thank you. Our next speaker is Simone Fuller.

1925
02:20:32,180 --> 02:20:37,780
My name is Simone from District 5. Hi, Marnie. Congratulations on your recovery.

1926
02:20:38,400 --> 02:20:41,740
To the committee, I ask you, is it feeling safe in your neighborhood

1927
02:20:41,740 --> 02:20:44,760
and being able to move freely across San Diego,

1928
02:20:45,180 --> 02:20:46,860
not a vital part of public safety.

1929
02:20:47,500 --> 02:20:50,040
Thousands of San Diego's over almost a decade

1930
02:20:50,040 --> 02:20:51,940
have voiced their descent on ALPRs,

1931
02:20:52,700 --> 02:20:53,880
but you guys do not listen.

1932
02:20:54,600 --> 02:20:57,740
Today, I ask you all to also think about our youth,

1933
02:20:57,800 --> 02:20:59,520
maintaining contracts with flock,

1934
02:20:59,980 --> 02:21:00,800
traumatized with communities,

1935
02:21:01,220 --> 02:21:03,960
and harms the educational development of young people.

1936
02:21:04,420 --> 02:21:07,040
Policy Innovation Center's 2026 report on youth

1937
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:10,000
and well-being found that Hispanic students in San Diego

1938
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:14,060
We're most likely to skip school due to feeling unsafe

1939
02:21:14,060 --> 02:21:16,140
higher than the state in national average.

1940
02:21:16,820 --> 02:21:20,020
I wonder how much their fear will rise with the expansion of

1941
02:21:20,020 --> 02:21:22,140
flock in ALPRs.

1942
02:21:22,480 --> 02:21:25,180
Chervon Wilbur, if you allow committee vote for ALPRs,

1943
02:21:25,260 --> 02:21:27,980
your campaign promise to stop ICE will lose

1944
02:21:27,980 --> 02:21:29,580
any shred of credibility.

1945
02:21:31,260 --> 02:21:35,500
As they're used by federal law enforcement in

1946
02:21:35,500 --> 02:21:37,380
Trump's deportation campaign,

1947
02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:46,760
Vice chair, we're all King Peo, you're labeled yourself as a bridge to community, but please think about the bridges that you will burn.

1948
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:52,180
Committee member Whitburn, your district relies on tourism, safe streets, and public transportation.

1949
02:21:52,720 --> 02:22:01,540
Yeah, ALPRs and contracts will block will directly take away from any expansion to NTS and safety in our streets because people will not come visit us.

1950
02:22:01,540 --> 02:22:03,140
Committee member Campbell.

1951
02:22:06,490 --> 02:22:08,850
As a supporter of the creation of Commission on Police Practices,

1952
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:14,650
you must know that ALPR's brings and so's mistrust amongst our law enforcement officers

1953
02:22:14,650 --> 02:22:17,670
when they actually do need to follow through on serious crimes.

1954
02:22:17,970 --> 02:22:18,810
Thank you.

1955
02:22:22,200 --> 02:22:22,800
Thank you.

1956
02:22:23,020 --> 02:22:25,940
Our next speaker is Andrew Dingman and Mr. Dingman.

1957
02:22:25,940 --> 02:22:28,740
You will be followed by Owen M.

1958
02:22:29,140 --> 02:22:30,520
Alexandria Castillo.

1959
02:22:31,640 --> 02:22:32,600
Carmen Penalosa.

1960
02:22:33,140 --> 02:22:38,820
And Lilliana, sorry, I don't know if those individuals can make their way to the front of the room at the reserve seats.

1961
02:22:40,220 --> 02:22:51,420
So I once again, before we set your time, I've been cautioned by the city attorney that under roll 272 that we're only supposed to have eight speakers on a single topic for not intended public comment.

1962
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:54,120
I'm not done.

1963
02:22:54,280 --> 02:22:55,040
I'm not done.

1964
02:22:55,040 --> 02:22:56,260
No, no, no, no, I'm not done.

1965
02:22:56,680 --> 02:22:58,800
What I was going to say was, but I also have

1966
02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:01,740
the discretion as chair to liberally interpret that rule.

1967
02:23:02,180 --> 02:23:03,880
And so I want to let you know I want all of you to speak.

1968
02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:06,120
And so please feel free to just come speak

1969
02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:07,380
because you came all the way down here

1970
02:23:07,380 --> 02:23:08,380
and so we want to hear from you.

1971
02:23:08,420 --> 02:23:09,900
So that's what I was trying to say.

1972
02:23:10,760 --> 02:23:11,480
Thank you.

1973
02:23:14,380 --> 02:23:15,000
All right.

1974
02:23:15,660 --> 02:23:20,240
So I mostly came because I wanted to support my kid in their view.

1975
02:23:20,940 --> 02:23:23,600
But I will hardly concur with them.

1976
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:34,160
As an IT professional, I can't view a system's block or a system like it as anything but an attractive nuisance for all sorts of abuse.

1977
02:23:34,980 --> 02:23:41,140
There are ways that automated systems can be used to approve policing and make it less discriminatory,

1978
02:23:41,740 --> 02:23:51,360
but a system like this, anything that retains a drag net of records with no probable cause, no reason for it,

1979
02:23:51,360 --> 02:24:00,300
It does not serve that goal and flock in particular has a history as a bad corporate actor,

1980
02:24:01,300 --> 02:24:06,700
but I would not encourage you to replace them with a better corporate actor, pitching

1981
02:24:06,700 --> 02:24:07,900
a better system.

1982
02:24:08,440 --> 02:24:12,460
That would not make things appreciably better.

1983
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:20,540
It would still be an attractive news, it would still be temptation for abuse, far beyond

1984
02:24:20,540 --> 02:24:21,860
it's actually utility.

1985
02:24:24,360 --> 02:24:27,340
This is not something I want in my community.

1986
02:24:30,170 --> 02:24:31,090
That's all I've got to say.

1987
02:24:33,780 --> 02:24:35,860
Thank you. Our next speaker is Owen.

1988
02:24:45,070 --> 02:24:49,890
Well, first of all, I want to start by saying that I very greatly oppose the implementation

1989
02:24:49,890 --> 02:24:56,430
of the ELPR's in this community and in this nation. First starters, you know, as many people

1990
02:24:56,430 --> 02:25:05,490
I've said before, it just accelerates the abilities of law enforcement to continue making and

1991
02:25:05,490 --> 02:25:06,930
selling mistrust in our communities.

1992
02:25:07,890 --> 02:25:12,390
Additionally, I think it's also important to note that a lot of the conversations

1993
02:25:12,390 --> 02:25:18,290
had in this forum today have all been about police training, which was something I was

1994
02:25:18,290 --> 02:25:19,890
hoping to speak on as well.

1995
02:25:21,150 --> 02:25:27,130
But the fact of the matter is, is that police officers need way more training than, you know,

1996
02:25:27,190 --> 02:25:29,550
I heard one of the officers say he was in training for seven months.

1997
02:25:29,930 --> 02:25:38,710
That is unacceptable for people to be growing and being in the communities that represent them

1998
02:25:38,710 --> 02:25:45,990
and wanting to feel safe, you know, in the queer community and for people of color, knowing that

1999
02:25:45,990 --> 02:25:52,790
officer is, you know, not spending adequate time to train and learn about diversity.

2000
02:25:54,150 --> 02:25:59,090
This country is in equal practices in terms of, you know, systemic racism.

2001
02:26:00,830 --> 02:26:04,630
Various things, you know, I can continue going on.

2002
02:26:05,770 --> 02:26:06,890
It's devastating.

2003
02:26:08,090 --> 02:26:14,990
You know, I grew up being very patriotic and being very connected and rooted in.

2004
02:26:14,990 --> 02:26:20,870
Um, what I thought these countries, countries, morals were, um, and I've been disappointed

2005
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:26,270
time and time again with the way that this nation has decided to make its choices.

2006
02:26:27,210 --> 02:26:29,530
Um, so yeah.

2007
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Thank you.

2008
02:26:32,390 --> 02:26:32,890
Thank you.

2009
02:26:33,090 --> 02:26:35,130
Our next speaker is Alexandra Castillo.

2010
02:26:42,560 --> 02:26:42,600
Hi.

2011
02:26:42,740 --> 02:26:43,240
Good afternoon.

2012
02:26:43,400 --> 02:26:43,980
Council members.

2013
02:26:44,180 --> 02:26:46,800
My name is Alex Castillo and I'm a district eight resident.

2014
02:26:47,640 --> 02:26:53,080
Previously, I was a part of the public comment efforts to restore OCYS and various other

2015
02:26:53,080 --> 02:26:59,380
fundings to other departments and yeah all of that. In particular right now I'm concerned

2016
02:27:00,030 --> 02:27:06,100
with a certain contract that facilitates criminal activity that I think we're giving way

2017
02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:11,700
too much money to as you guys have heard before. This allows cops to use the contract's

2018
02:27:11,700 --> 02:27:18,140
technology to stop their ex-girlfriends with this technology. People are misreading license plates

2019
02:27:18,140 --> 02:27:22,540
and it's leading to a wrongful arrest across the country, not just in San Diego.

2020
02:27:23,240 --> 02:27:27,400
And with this technology, it's been used by ICE and legal loopholes,

2021
02:27:27,520 --> 02:27:31,280
they're getting the footage from their friends to detain our friends and our neighbors.

2022
02:27:32,120 --> 02:27:36,440
This technology, of course, is flock. It's our well-earned and the contract.

2023
02:27:37,100 --> 02:27:42,060
We are not going to live the fate of Winston Smith. Thank you very much.

2024
02:27:43,850 --> 02:27:45,590
Thank you, Carmen.

2025
02:27:53,640 --> 02:27:54,940
Okay, hi, guys.

2026
02:27:56,200 --> 02:27:57,040
My name is Carmen.

2027
02:27:57,480 --> 02:27:59,020
I'm a resident of District 9,

2028
02:27:59,060 --> 02:28:01,600
and I'm also the Policy and Research Intern at Youth Will.

2029
02:28:03,100 --> 02:28:05,500
So yeah, during this past budget review process,

2030
02:28:05,800 --> 02:28:09,000
I also came along here with Youth Will

2031
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:11,000
in a variety of different community members

2032
02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:15,000
and organizations to advocate for the funding of OCWIS.

2033
02:28:15,780 --> 02:28:18,420
And for U.S. representatives to assess

2034
02:28:18,420 --> 02:28:21,740
where funding should be pulled from and reallocated.

2035
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:25,740
And one of the biggest issues that folks constantly mentioned

2036
02:28:27,180 --> 02:28:31,040
was the fact that OCIS which we successfully

2037
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:34,180
restored almost entirely would help use

2038
02:28:34,180 --> 02:28:37,120
feel connected to their community and provide them with a sort

2039
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:39,720
of safety and a variety of different ways,

2040
02:28:39,900 --> 02:28:42,320
and that's kind of the way that we want to see resources.

2041
02:28:43,820 --> 02:28:47,400
Reallocated that the city has and I was very disappointed

2042
02:28:47,400 --> 02:28:53,560
it to see like a lot of other folks have mentioned already that the contract was not cancelled

2043
02:28:54,440 --> 02:29:01,280
and everyone already said it, it's dangerous, it's creepy, it's really scary and it's

2044
02:29:01,280 --> 02:29:07,080
I guess the reason why I come here a time after time to advocate against vlog is just

2045
02:29:07,080 --> 02:29:13,560
because I'm a daughter of two immigrants and I know that this is directly impacts those

2046
02:29:13,560 --> 02:29:18,300
communities in our most vulnerable communities, which are already constantly being targeted

2047
02:29:18,300 --> 02:29:22,240
and this just facilitates that exponentially.

2048
02:29:23,560 --> 02:29:29,060
So yeah, it's just kind of really sad to see how we're using money to stock and target

2049
02:29:29,060 --> 02:29:34,780
vulnerable communities instead of investing it towards solutions such as mental health care

2050
02:29:34,780 --> 02:29:39,480
and public transit accessibility, affordable housing, all that kind of stuff.

2051
02:29:40,460 --> 02:29:41,060
So yeah.

2052
02:29:41,780 --> 02:29:42,540
Thank you.

2053
02:29:44,330 --> 02:29:47,330
Thank you. Our next speaker is Liliana Soriano.

2054
02:29:50,890 --> 02:29:52,650
Hello committee. My name is Liliana.

2055
02:29:53,090 --> 02:29:59,330
I serve as the director of policy at Youth Well where youth led youth advocacy, nonprofit, organization.

2056
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:19,580
Aside from what you've heard today from other colleagues in the room, I want to refresh your memories as well from a couple months ago during budget season where many voices centered community safety and we're very, and they were very specific about what that vision looks like, including us young people that you heard from right now, and our organization youth will.

2057
02:30:19,800 --> 02:30:28,520
Joy is investing in community programs, not police policing, especially in this new era of AI departments like the police department.

2058
02:30:28,520 --> 02:30:48,520
And now, the city has a whole constantly request trust from the people, but when you contract with wealthy corporations, your message is that machines and technology that are unreliable to serve that funding even when the city is in a financially bad position already. Please listen to your constituents. Thank you.

2059
02:30:49,960 --> 02:30:52,700
Thank you. Our next speaker is Karina Vega.

2060
02:30:56,500 --> 02:30:58,140
And Karina, as you make your way to the

2061
02:30:58,140 --> 02:31:02,700
lectern, you will be followed by Andrea, Cecil,

2062
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:09,980
Sopua, and Lori Saldania, if these

2063
02:31:09,980 --> 02:31:14,120
individuals would like to make their way down to the front seats. And please begin.

2064
02:31:15,060 --> 02:31:24,940
Okay, Gatina Vega from District 8, not canceling the contract with all ALPR's not just

2065
02:31:24,940 --> 02:31:25,300
block.

2066
02:31:25,780 --> 02:31:32,820
It's going to increase ISIS brutality and surveillance and reinforce the fact that they don't

2067
02:31:32,820 --> 02:31:34,220
care about public safety.

2068
02:31:35,260 --> 02:31:41,680
Recently, it came to light that there's two cases of tuberculosis inside the concentration

2069
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:48,640
camp we have here in San Diego and they failed to disclose that during the inspection that they

2070
02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:56,060
also delayed from February this year. So again, tuberculosis isn't airborne disease. There are

2071
02:31:56,060 --> 02:32:01,360
over a thousand decademies a day there in this concentration camp that we have here in San Diego in

2072
02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:07,480
2026 and they're not only putting them at risk, they're putting everyone that lives in the surrounding

2073
02:32:07,480 --> 02:32:15,880
neighborhood that risk. So that means me, everyone in district eight. So again, ice is using

2074
02:32:15,880 --> 02:32:23,620
this LAR, LPR system. It's invading our privacy. It's also invading our land. Apparently

2075
02:32:23,620 --> 02:32:29,700
national park services is also using flock now. So the places we go to as human beings to

2076
02:32:29,700 --> 02:32:36,300
be surrounded by nature to distress from this capitalistic corporate life that we have here is

2077
02:32:36,300 --> 02:32:40,260
now being tied to this surveillance system and it's not okay.

2078
02:32:41,020 --> 02:32:45,840
These data centers, and then again, the way they track all the data is through data centers.

2079
02:32:46,820 --> 02:32:50,120
And it's, they shouldn't be called data centers, it should be called pollution centers.

2080
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:52,140
They're polluting our water.

2081
02:32:52,840 --> 02:32:54,720
So many rivers are draining.

2082
02:32:55,400 --> 02:32:56,580
We need water to live.

2083
02:32:57,100 --> 02:32:59,520
So please cancel this flux system.

2084
02:32:59,660 --> 02:33:01,440
We are able, PLR system.

2085
02:33:01,440 --> 02:33:02,220
We don't need it.

2086
02:33:02,280 --> 02:33:03,360
Thank you.

2087
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:06,140
Thank you for your testimony, Andrea.

2088
02:33:06,140 --> 02:33:06,920
Well,

2089
02:33:12,140 --> 02:33:14,760
my name is Andrea and I'm a lifelong resident of District 8.

2090
02:33:15,120 --> 02:33:18,940
I am once again asking the City Council to suspend all ALPR contracts in our city.

2091
02:33:19,500 --> 02:33:23,280
Today we talk about flock, but tomorrow we'll talk about flock competitors.

2092
02:33:24,100 --> 02:33:29,520
Regardless of the vendor, all ALPR softwares share the same three fundamental flaws.

2093
02:33:30,140 --> 02:33:32,160
Actually, for you, Ms. Wilpert, I will add a fourth.

2094
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:38,980
Number one, the technology indiscriminately crapsors, details such as car descriptions, passengers,

2095
02:33:39,360 --> 02:33:40,060
and plates.

2096
02:33:40,060 --> 02:33:47,840
This technology can actually be stacked with additional technology that paints a clear picture of who is in the vehicle for how long and for how often

2097
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:53,290
This creates a clear image of a person's personal life as they go through their as they go through

2098
02:33:54,000 --> 02:33:57,880
their day-to-day which goes far and above what these vendors

2099
02:33:58,480 --> 02:34:00,240
As high as possible

2100
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:04,820
Which brings us to number two the technology shares data across agencies

2101
02:34:04,820 --> 02:34:07,100
which means law enforcement across the nation

2102
02:34:07,100 --> 02:34:08,920
contractual for whatever reason.

2103
02:34:09,460 --> 02:34:11,660
As we've stated, there's a lot of law enforcement

2104
02:34:11,660 --> 02:34:13,360
that will take advantage of this,

2105
02:34:13,560 --> 02:34:15,940
which leaves our most vulnerable members of society

2106
02:34:15,940 --> 02:34:16,960
open for abuse.

2107
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:19,060
From domestic abuse victims to activists

2108
02:34:19,060 --> 02:34:20,240
to the undocumented,

2109
02:34:21,640 --> 02:34:24,940
anybody who could even be suspected of such a status?

2110
02:34:27,040 --> 02:34:29,120
Lastly, well, actually, number three.

2111
02:34:29,420 --> 02:34:30,500
From what little research is available,

2112
02:34:30,740 --> 02:34:32,820
the technology isn't even actually all that effective.

2113
02:34:33,080 --> 02:34:34,960
Disentangling the effectiveness of ALPR

2114
02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:40,600
for traditional crime, solving methods, and from the overall national trends of downward-facing

2115
02:34:40,600 --> 02:34:43,360
crime is proven really difficult for researchers.

2116
02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:50,840
EFF's 2021 report puts this technology at about a 0.5% effectiveness and an article

2117
02:34:50,840 --> 02:34:55,280
that was published on the 2025 Justice Evaluation Journal found that there is little evidence

2118
02:34:55,280 --> 02:34:59,800
that ALPR expansion was associated with the reduction of violent crime in general.

2119
02:34:59,800 --> 02:35:12,920
Notably, San Diego has not invested on any resources in a third party analysis for cost investment for any of its surveillance technology, this has been a point of contention across the city.

2120
02:35:13,760 --> 02:35:20,440
And lastly, specifically for you, Ms. One Wilbert, you stated that you are heartbroken.

2121
02:35:20,680 --> 02:35:20,980
Thank you.

2122
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:22,600
That concludes your time.

2123
02:35:22,780 --> 02:35:27,400
You stated that we are heartbroken that our police cannot fund.

2124
02:35:27,400 --> 02:35:28,120
And

2125
02:35:32,320 --> 02:35:34,620
as we have to give everyone able time by law,

2126
02:35:34,820 --> 02:35:37,920
so please, are happy to talk after thank you.

2127
02:35:38,420 --> 02:35:38,740
Thank you.

2128
02:35:38,860 --> 02:35:40,940
Our next speaker is Cecil, or Cecil,

2129
02:35:41,060 --> 02:35:43,040
I apologize for the pronunciation.

2130
02:35:45,920 --> 02:35:47,500
Thank you, yeah, my name is Cecil.

2131
02:35:48,580 --> 02:35:52,700
In the last few days, I've learned that at least a 39 officers

2132
02:35:52,700 --> 02:35:56,820
across the country have been caught stalking their exes

2133
02:35:56,820 --> 02:35:59,300
using flawed cameras around the country.

2134
02:36:00,760 --> 02:36:07,160
A couple examples, an officer named Snowman was charged with misdemeanor computer access,

2135
02:36:07,500 --> 02:36:10,500
according to an online court record reviewed by people magazine.

2136
02:36:11,480 --> 02:36:14,620
Her document information did not list her plea or attorney information, but stated that

2137
02:36:14,620 --> 02:36:18,500
she only had to post $5,000 bomb, bond, excuse me.

2138
02:36:18,500 --> 02:36:30,880
On two occasions, her use of flock data or ALPR data to track her ex was done while she was

2139
02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:33,280
off duty in accessing those computers.

2140
02:36:35,500 --> 02:36:41,180
Elizabeth and Snomon, allegedly used those cameras 31 times for personal use to track her

2141
02:36:41,180 --> 02:36:47,600
boyfriend's ex-wife and was only charged with misdemeanor computer access, craziness.

2142
02:36:52,120 --> 02:37:03,840
On August 12th of this year, surprise Arizona announced their decision to suspend their use of ALPR technology after a recent routine audit identified an anomaly in the use of the system.

2143
02:37:04,740 --> 02:37:13,860
The city has launched an investigation into a potential violation of its ALPR policy and a surprise police officer has been placed under administrative leave until the investigation can be completed.

2144
02:37:15,300 --> 02:37:22,020
Chandler Arizona is another city that recently had to announce a problem with their automated

2145
02:37:22,020 --> 02:37:23,200
license plate readers.

2146
02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:27,500
On August 10th, Apache Junction Police announced that one of their officers resigned after

2147
02:37:27,500 --> 02:37:29,280
using plate readers improperly.

2148
02:37:30,100 --> 02:37:33,740
A day later on August 11th, 10th, police announced that they will end their license with

2149
02:37:33,740 --> 02:37:36,200
flock plate reader data sharing with flock.

2150
02:37:36,540 --> 02:37:38,880
Someone earlier brought up the cost.

2151
02:37:39,460 --> 02:37:43,200
It's a matter of time before this happens in San Diego, becomes a personal lawsuit and

2152
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:50,580
all of us the taxpayers our money. It's not keeping us safer. I'm not the first person to bring it up,

2153
02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:55,760
but just a couple of months ago, the San Diego Islamic Center was fired up. Thank you.

2154
02:37:55,960 --> 02:37:57,440
That's good. Thank you. We need

2155
02:38:03,330 --> 02:38:05,770
to thank you. Our next speaker is Sophia.

2156
02:38:12,200 --> 02:38:18,340
I'm Sophia and I'm from District 4. Float cameras in fringe on the privacy of everyone.

2157
02:38:18,740 --> 02:38:22,860
There have been many cases of law enforcement officers using Float cameras to

2158
02:38:22,860 --> 02:38:28,540
to stock former romantic partners and ever-state-staymen used to track women participating in

2159
02:38:28,540 --> 02:38:29,780
reproductive health care.

2160
02:38:30,300 --> 02:38:34,680
And, Florida, please officer, Christopher Goodson, used flat cameras to track the movements

2161
02:38:34,680 --> 02:38:38,640
of this strange wife, 717 times.

2162
02:38:39,640 --> 02:38:44,620
Under, under, the guy is willing to track where his children were when they were with her.

2163
02:38:44,900 --> 02:38:49,800
Flat cameras no, contribute public safety rather than take away from it, having flat cameras

2164
02:38:49,800 --> 02:38:52,860
and our city shows that our government doesn't care about the city of its citizens.

2165
02:38:53,760 --> 02:38:58,880
If you're really cared about the city of people living in San Diego, invest more in public

2166
02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:04,720
housing, in health care, homeless care, and education.

2167
02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:11,560
If law cameras just do not help anyone at all, they've been misused many times, and they've

2168
02:39:11,560 --> 02:39:18,020
been used to falsely accuse others of crimes, which just further adds to the danger many people

2169
02:39:18,020 --> 02:39:23,220
face from them. As other people mentioned, one man spent over a month in jail due to

2170
02:39:23,220 --> 02:39:28,500
Faulkhammer's broadly identifying him as someone who had commit a crime.

2171
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:30,340
That is all.

2172
02:39:32,780 --> 02:39:37,480
Thank you. Our next speaker is Lori Saldanya, and you have submitted visual materials,

2173
02:39:37,800 --> 02:39:41,140
so we will pull those up if you can please let us know when to move through them.

2174
02:39:41,740 --> 02:39:47,560
Thank you. And thanks to everyone who's speaking on the flock issues. I'm speaking now

2175
02:39:47,560 --> 02:39:54,320
And another public safety issue, the city is issued an advisory about flooding related to

2176
02:39:54,320 --> 02:39:55,600
El Niño Preparedness.

2177
02:39:56,360 --> 02:40:01,440
As if it's in their future, this is currently happening at High Tide in Mission Beach.

2178
02:40:02,120 --> 02:40:07,580
Council member, this is your district, or Mission Beach, I think, maybe I think it's district

2179
02:40:07,580 --> 02:40:08,080
too.

2180
02:40:08,480 --> 02:40:13,400
I've been going down during High Tide the last few months, and the storm drains are now flooding

2181
02:40:13,400 --> 02:40:14,340
during High Tide.

2182
02:40:14,500 --> 02:40:15,760
This is not rainfall.

2183
02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:21,260
this is flooding in the streets. You can go to the next video, please. And a few a week ago,

2184
02:40:21,500 --> 02:40:28,080
I went down to the midway area. Oh, forgot to show the fountain, the Bellagio effect. The storm

2185
02:40:28,080 --> 02:40:35,940
water division has welded down the covers of the storm drains to present them from rising up. So now we

2186
02:40:35,940 --> 02:40:44,120
get the tide pushing up against them and creating the Bellagio fountain effect. And it's spectacular,

2187
02:40:44,120 --> 02:40:48,340
but also extremely harmful for infrastructure.

2188
02:40:49,340 --> 02:40:51,240
So the recent advisory about preparedness,

2189
02:40:51,560 --> 02:40:53,340
we can go on to the next images.

2190
02:40:54,500 --> 02:40:56,200
This flooding is happening now.

2191
02:40:56,420 --> 02:40:59,080
This is not a future problem to deal with.

2192
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:00,220
It is immediate.

2193
02:41:00,820 --> 02:41:03,080
And this is what mission beach looks like.

2194
02:41:04,720 --> 02:41:08,380
This is sea water, corrosive salt water.

2195
02:41:10,040 --> 02:41:11,960
Keep going, please, could I only have a few seconds?

2196
02:41:11,960 --> 02:41:20,180
this is Midway Drive. Now, not in the future. Now, the stormwater people are out there.

2197
02:41:20,800 --> 02:41:28,020
Do not build Midway sinking because people cannot drive on these roads today.

2198
02:41:28,460 --> 02:41:34,600
And if you add thousands of people to this community, the high tide is already flooding.

2199
02:41:35,240 --> 02:41:40,360
You are only that's Mission Beach. That's not Midway, but that is what Midway will look like sooner, not later.

2200
02:41:40,360 --> 02:41:42,980
to not build a midway thinking project.

2201
02:41:43,440 --> 02:41:46,520
It is a public safety issue right now, not in the future.

2202
02:41:47,040 --> 02:41:48,480
Thank you.

2203
02:41:48,580 --> 02:41:49,220
Thank you.

2204
02:41:49,440 --> 02:41:52,060
Our next speaker is Manuel Enriquez.

2205
02:41:52,300 --> 02:41:53,100
It's Manuel, Mr. President.

2206
02:41:54,560 --> 02:41:55,380
Joyce and Yada.

2207
02:41:56,040 --> 02:41:58,160
Ms. and Yada, you'll be followed by a Darth Vader,

2208
02:41:58,920 --> 02:42:01,340
Roger Ralphs, Olivia Howard,

2209
02:42:03,950 --> 02:42:04,850
and Jason Simmons.

2210
02:42:04,870 --> 02:42:06,910
If those individuals can please move to the reserve seats

2211
02:42:06,910 --> 02:42:07,970
at the front of the room,

2212
02:42:08,250 --> 02:42:09,230
thank you for your patience, Joy.

2213
02:42:09,370 --> 02:42:09,910
Please begin.

2214
02:42:09,910 --> 02:42:11,130
Can

2215
02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:17,500
you hear me okay?

2216
02:42:18,440 --> 02:42:19,640
Yes, thank you.

2217
02:42:20,380 --> 02:42:25,180
I will be speaking on non-verbal communication,

2218
02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:28,380
Replace officers, but also,

2219
02:42:28,420 --> 02:42:30,460
I'll be giving you a living example

2220
02:42:30,460 --> 02:42:34,360
of what I'm doing with non-verbal communication

2221
02:42:34,360 --> 02:42:36,320
and with the homeless population.

2222
02:42:37,840 --> 02:42:40,340
So regarding police officers,

2223
02:42:40,340 --> 02:42:51,740
nonverbal cues form the core baseline for officer safety, tactical assessment, and de-escalation.

2224
02:42:52,080 --> 02:43:03,540
Examples, personal space, voice tones and inflection, body posture and movement, gaze and facial cues.

2225
02:43:03,540 --> 02:43:15,160
Nonverbal cues, public perception with an officer, nonverbaly, has to do with demeanor, such

2226
02:43:15,160 --> 02:43:21,740
as attention, attentive listening, postures, and respectful eye contact.

2227
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All of this heavily drives community trust in citizen satisfaction during routine stops.

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I'll be speaking more on this to you in the future.

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Non-verbal communication is bigger than we can even imagine.

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There's all kinds of figures out there.

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Some people say it's 90%, 70% of our communication.

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I'm studying it.

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I'm using it with homeless.

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And I'm having success.

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I'm watching.

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I'm observing my own non-verbal cues.

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And I'm changing them with the homeless, including those areas that I pointed out to you.

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And it's working.

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I'm feeling better with them.

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I'm engaging more with them.

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And so I just can't say enough.

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I'm going to speak more on this in the future.

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But it's a great topic to look at.

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Thank you.

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It's been a great day.

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Love to all.

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Thank you, Darth Vader.

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02:44:26,360 --> 02:44:26,980
The

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emperor is a fan of flock and we must continue utilizing flock technologies so that we can follow and surveil the rebel scum as they move from playground to playground from playground to poor from poor to gymnasium because we all know

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So that the flood cameras are not only following the license plate readers, they are following children, they are following children in parks, and gymnasiums, and we need this. I need this so I can stock my ex-girlfriend. Also, it should be known that the people of this town, the purers that want their storm drains cleared, they should not have their storm drains cleared, because in order to do that, we will have to raise taxes.

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and how will the people trust this city council when this city council continues to vote for surveillance technology that imprisons them.

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02:45:33,280 --> 02:45:36,200
Ms Campbell, you must work on your Jedi mind tricks.

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Do it like this, and when you do it, make sure that when you're double speaking them into telling them that police services have become more humanitarian, make sure that you don't emphasize the detail that you put a ban on camping.

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02:45:51,360 --> 02:46:01,220
And you put a ban, you made criminalizing homelessness illegal, and that is why there is no such thing as humanitarian policing for the homeless.

2255
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Because we have the effectively criminalized homelessness which is good.

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Now we can staff that we can fill our jails with free prison labor.

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Especially like that of the O.T. Mason Detention Center where they are making one dollar a day for working for 12 hours.

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and there have been multiple cases of tuberculosis.

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Yes, and this is good, this is what the emperor needs.

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02:46:24,520 --> 02:46:27,620
This technology will help us find the rebel scum,

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02:46:28,020 --> 02:46:29,900
and they're hidden based on a hawth.

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02:46:30,320 --> 02:46:32,660
This technology will help us find Luke Skywalker,

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as he traverses the universe in his X-wing.

2264
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This technology is unnecessary.

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Necessary force.

2266
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Thank you, Roger Rouse.

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Is Roger Rouse present?

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Olivia Howard?

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My name is Olivia Howard. Some also speaking about the

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vlog cameras. I think a lot of it has been covered already. It does feel very

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02:47:08,260 --> 02:47:15,340
dystopian. I feel like we've had so many works of fiction that are kind of like a

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02:47:15,340 --> 02:47:20,320
warning, you know, about master valence and other things that we're also seeing

2273
02:47:20,320 --> 02:47:26,680
have been seeing about like other people making you know a public enemy and I think those two things

2274
02:47:26,680 --> 02:47:34,420
kind of work together. And a lot of the time a common theme is that they say it's about safety and

2275
02:47:34,420 --> 02:47:40,120
they want people to believe it's about safety when really it's about control. Being able to know

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02:47:40,120 --> 02:47:48,940
everything about us and I could see the way that this kind of technology could be beneficial if

2277
02:47:48,940 --> 02:47:55,120
we're being used for the right purposes, but I don't think that it will be. I think that it's

2278
02:47:56,660 --> 02:48:03,120
basically our data is being gathered for reasons that are not about our safety or about our

2279
02:48:03,120 --> 02:48:08,220
well-being. I think I've never trusted especially the federal government less,

2280
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and flock cameras are just very, very concerning to me. Yeah, thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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And our final speaker here in Chambers is Jason Simmons.

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Hi, I'm Jason Simmons of District 4.

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Thank you for hearing from us council members.

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I appreciate the ability to make my voice heard

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and hearing my constituent fellow residents opinions as well.

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I would just like to reiterate a lot of what other people have said about

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block and not just block because they're a very small part of it, there are lots of other

2289
02:48:56,650 --> 02:49:04,130
ALPR manufacturers that create these cameras. If it was a perfect system and if it worked

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02:49:04,130 --> 02:49:14,830
as it should, it would still be inappropriate and offensive. It does not work, it has not shown

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02:49:14,830 --> 02:49:24,570
any increase in solving crimes, there is constant malfunctions in the system, misidentifications

2292
02:49:24,570 --> 02:49:33,730
because AI is unreliable in every single situation. AI doesn't work at a level where we

2293
02:49:33,730 --> 02:49:43,310
can trust what it says. It has to be double-checked and is just not reliable. So in addition

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that I want to say the companies giving us these products are lobbying, lobbying, government,

2295
02:49:52,290 --> 02:50:00,250
the government and cities themselves and they present the police stations with these pictures

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02:50:00,740 --> 02:50:08,010
to sell them. It is all for profit and there is no peer-reviewed process within these companies

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02:50:08,850 --> 02:50:11,990
to show how their products work.

2298
02:50:12,770 --> 02:50:14,830
There's been no tests of the flood cameras.

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02:50:15,090 --> 02:50:16,970
There haven't been any peer review tests

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or public oversight on these at all.

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Thank you for hearing all of us here today.

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Thank you for your testimony.

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This does conclude public comment here in chambers.

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So I will begin the five-minute timer

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for all those in the virtual queue

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to indicate if they wish to provide non-agenda public comment

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at this time. We currently have nine hands raised and we will begin testimony with Francine Maxwell.

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Please unmute and begin. Thank you, Francine Maxwell. It's about the Eastern San Diego resident.

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I'm a little concerned when we were talking about discipline and the recommendations and IA.

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02:50:57,890 --> 02:51:02,230
It all seems very performative because our sheriff's department recently arrested

2311
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two of our STPD for being drunk in public and so where is the professional unit that is going

2312
02:51:09,590 --> 02:51:18,410
to make a recommendation on something like that. Again, we have the best training. We have

2313
02:51:18,410 --> 02:51:26,870
the best professional unit and we have pretty good I.A. But again, nothing is being done with

2314
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:34,250
the unlawful search and seizures of our citizens throughout District 4, 8, and 9, we have

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02:51:34,250 --> 02:51:41,350
two attorneys on this committee. And both of you know that the CPP, which was overwhelmingly

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02:51:41,350 --> 02:51:50,080
supported, does not have their independent attorney. You both attorneys know that oversight for the

2317
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:57,620
our disability is more than needed, but you continue to sit there and pretend that everything

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02:51:57,620 --> 02:52:07,160
is okay. So as we continue to look at the chair for her promotion, remember that things

2319
02:52:07,160 --> 02:52:14,300
that you have not done, that you continue not to do, and you have the discretion. The same way

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02:52:14,300 --> 02:52:19,960
you did the performative set aside right now, very appreciative that everybody that took time

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02:52:19,960 --> 02:52:25,880
other business schedule got to speak because normally it would have stopped after eight very appreciative

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02:52:25,880 --> 02:52:32,520
of that today, but it was informative. Perform and get us an attorney on CPP so that we can

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02:52:32,520 --> 02:52:40,020
have our independence that we need for the city so that when we tell our neighbors continue to

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02:52:40,020 --> 02:52:46,360
complain about the unlawful search and seizures that are being done by STPD. Thank you for allowing

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02:52:46,360 --> 02:52:52,740
me to speak. Thank you for your testimony. Our next speaker is Becky Rapp. Please unmute and

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begin.

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Good afternoon, my name is Becky Rapp and I'm here today regarding the recent action

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02:52:59,620 --> 02:53:05,720
by the city attorney's office against 11 smoke shops accused of selling cradum and I want to

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recognize the city attorney's office and our enforcement agencies for taking this issue seriously.

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Residents are paying attention and we are seeing the results. In fact, I recently noticed that a

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02:53:17,020 --> 02:53:22,860
lowing crave cratum sign. They had been displayed in the window of a smoke shop down the street

2332
02:53:22,860 --> 02:53:27,720
from my home was finally removed and that may seem like a small thing but to residents

2333
02:53:27,720 --> 02:53:32,580
it is significant. When the city follows through with investigations enforcement and consequences

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02:53:32,580 --> 02:53:37,560
it sends a message that our laws are going to be enforced and our neighborhoods are going to be

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02:53:37,560 --> 02:53:43,480
protected. I encourage this committee to continue supporting strong enforcement and ask for regular

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02:53:43,480 --> 02:53:48,980
updates on creative violations, illegal advertising, and other intoxicating products being sold

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02:53:48,980 --> 02:53:53,760
through smoke shops. We also need to make sure that enforcement doesn't address one business

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02:53:53,760 --> 02:53:58,840
or one location. If these products are being sold illegally, residents deserve to know that the

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02:53:58,840 --> 02:54:05,460
city is identifying and addressing these violations. Those businesses that are cited must be

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02:54:05,460 --> 02:54:11,260
followed up with continually being checked to ensure they continue to follow the law. It would

2341
02:54:11,260 --> 02:54:16,880
wise to increase these penalties, including licensed revocation, a strong message needs to be

2342
02:54:16,880 --> 02:54:21,280
sent to businesses that they must follow the law if they want to continue operating in our

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02:54:21,280 --> 02:54:26,720
neighborhoods, as well as the public that the city's top priority is protecting our neighborhoods

2344
02:54:26,720 --> 02:54:32,000
and forcing our laws and making sure illegal products and advertising don't become normalized

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02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:39,760
in our communities. Thank you very much. Thank you for your testimony. Our next speaker is phone number

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02:54:39,760 --> 02:54:48,890
ending in five eight six eight you can unmute by pressing star six phone number ending in five

2347
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eight six eight if you can please state your name for the record and begin.

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V and I am in district five. Marnie Vaughan will participate district and I'm glad and I said you

2349
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I'm glad everything went well with you and I wish you the best for your health. Miss Vaughan will

2350
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I would like to speak about flock, and I also was aware of the incident with a person called Hugo

2351
02:55:18,480 --> 02:55:28,620
Potter, where he and a friend in Alfa Romeo were wrongly stopped, and their car was misidentified

2352
02:55:28,620 --> 02:55:34,920
as being involved in a crime with assault with a firearm, but was even more disturbing as it took

2353
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He was in jail 30 days before he was able to be released

2354
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in the charges drop.

2355
02:55:40,980 --> 02:55:46,500
So that's not only was there an issue with the procedures

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02:55:46,500 --> 02:55:49,260
about flock and identifying his vehicle,

2357
02:55:49,900 --> 02:55:52,680
when his vehicle was five miles away.

2358
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But why in Earth did it take 30 days for him to be released?

2359
02:55:57,660 --> 02:56:03,320
I checked the flock, transparent sea portal in December,

2360
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And that gives you the amount of detected vehicles in the last 30 days.

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In December, it was 2.9 million detected vehicles in the last 30 days.

2362
02:56:16,080 --> 02:56:21,600
And this morning I checked the transparency portal of 4 million and it said unique plate

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02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:22,040
reads.

2364
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So I don't know if that's 4 million different vehicles or a million reads.

2365
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No matter what your college flock is a surveillance system, and it doesn't matter what business

2366
02:56:35,780 --> 02:56:40,800
that you use, it's still laying the foundation for a surveillance system.

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So, no matter how many safeguards you guys put in, no matter the reduction of time,

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you keep the information, you're doing your best now to put the safeguards in,

2369
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but people in government change, and we have no guarantees for the future.

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Thank you. This does conclude your time. The five minute timer has also

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lapsed with six hands remaining in the virtual queue. We will take know their

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callers beyond these remaining six hands raised. We will continue with the

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Judy strain. Please unmute and begin.

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Good afternoon. Public safety committee. Thank you for allowing

2375
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San Diego PD to speak to us today and thank you for the comments that we've

2376
02:57:21,700 --> 02:57:26,340
heard today from our students as well as others regarding flock.

2377
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I came because I'm back to school preparing it for after school programs in which I've been

2378
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involved for many years and I've noticed something that to my mind is a public health educator

2379
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a little troubling.

2380
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Now we all know I would hope that our school sites are smoke free and bake pretty by California

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law.

2382
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However, the streets, the public streets in front of these schools are not and I've noticed

2383
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Just as I've come out, often with children and with me, that people are walking by and they're

2384
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smoking or vaping, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and how distasteful it is to

2385
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the children.

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They're well aware of the smell and how pervasive it is.

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And we in public help really want safe and smoke free environments for our young people, because

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we know that they're considered a vulnerable population due to their size.

2389
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Many of our city, several here in the county, have smoked free public place ordinances.

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And we've asked before, and I'd just like to suggest, because it's come to my mind so forcefully being back to school.

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That we here at the city of San Diego consider it.

2392
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It seems like it would be money well spent to put this policy in place.

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It's self-inforcing, believe me children would make it very clear if they knew that the law was on their side.

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to bring smoke free, bake free public places to information as a policy.

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We certainly would have the support of all the major medical associations and the

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surgeon general in this policy.

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I may ask public safety to consider it going forward.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your testimony.

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Our next speaker is Ale, please unmute and begin.

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Hi, my name is Ale, and I'm here representing the Youth Justice moment, some team at

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city can. I work with an intergenerational organizing team, full of system impacted, formerly incarcerated, young people, credible messengers and really folks who are participating in civic engagement to further enhance what real public safety actually means.

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One of the first things that comes to mind as I'm hearing about this new technology that's being used by our San Diego Police Department, that by the way is the second highest referral agency to juvenile hall, so it's the second highest agency in the San Diego region that refers young people into incarceration.

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This surveillance technology.

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We would absolutely increase those rates. But nonetheless, where was the community here that demanded surveillance?

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I exist in juvenile court. I have one-on ones at juvenile hall working with some of these young people that have been impacted by the San Diego City Police Department.

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And I work with credible messages that, again, like I said, have transformed their lives and not participate in leading that change in the community.

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I've taught, I work with these folks on a daily basis. I've never heard them say that something that would have saved my life was more surveillance.

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I don't think that you could go into any of these communities and that they would say what I need most is more surveillance.

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We have here millions of dollars that we're willing to invest into surveying our communities,

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but when young people are asking for mentors, when young people are asking for work development programs that would support them,

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and getting out of the dangerous and inhumane environments that they're living in in their communities,

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we choose to survey them and to further police them. What is this, guys?

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We're trying to work with y'all so that we can make our community safer.

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Please listen to us.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your testimony.

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Our next speaker is Viani Rubel Kava.

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Please unmute and begin.

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Good afternoon.

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My name is Janine Rubel Kava.

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I live in District 3.

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And I want to voice my opposition to the use of ALPR and Flock.

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These systems need to be removed and banned in those technologies should be used.

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As we heard, this tech is mired in controversy and has an alarming track record of misuse from stalking by officers who are wrongful convictions.

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This is an unlawful search in the public realm and an infringement of our privacy.

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Soak is a private company driven by profit without proper safeguards against the sale of our personal data.

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and it's vulnerable to data breaches. The use of AI to process this data also opens it to

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security vulnerabilities as these AI companies are also private and it's harder to track what

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they do with the data that is fed to them. I don't think that master valence is justified and it

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does more harm than good. So I urge you to invest in community infrastructure like affordable housing,

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transportation, health care, and workforce and use development instead. Thank you.

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Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is Madison. Please unmute and begin.

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Hi, good evening and thanks for letting everyone speak tonight. I'm here as a mother and an advocate for

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youth substance use prevention. When we talk about public safety, I hope we remember that prevention

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is one of the most effective forms of public safety that we have.

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Every new cannabis storefront, every expansion of commercial cannabis access

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and every increase in the visibility of these businesses

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creates another layer of enforcement responsibility.

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And we already know that enforcement becomes much more difficult

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when illegal products are being sold alongside these permitted businesses

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and when high-potency products are widely available

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And when the young people are exposed to the normalization of marijuana use,

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our schools and law enforcement agencies should not have to spend more resources

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cleaning up problems that we could have prevented in the first place.

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I especially urge this committee to think about the long-term consequences for young people.

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The earlier a child begins using an intoxicating substance,

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the greater the potential for it to interfere with judgment,

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academic success, mental health, and healthy development. By the time a young person is struggling

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with addiction or repeatedly coming into contact with law enforcement, prevention opportunities

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have already been missed. We should be investing upstream before there is a crisis. That means

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funding youth prevention, supporting families and schools, and giving law enforcement the resources

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necessary to address illegal sales and protect children. Public safety is not only responding

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to crime after it happens. It's making decisions today that reduce the number of problems our

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communities will have to deal with tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you for your testimony and the final

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speaker in our queue today is sent the hall. Please unmute and begin.

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Thank you council. Thank you for

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hearing the public on this issue today, and I appreciate the chair giving people some extra

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time to talk. I think that I hope that the people who know and the people who are listening today

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will understand that while we are continually asking for the city to make whys and and

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careful decisions about mass surveillance and while we continually ask for ubiquit and flock to be kicked out of the city so that we can use our resources in ways that protect San Diego.

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And while we continually do all of that, this committee and the police department know full well that they are in the midst right now of proposing not a withdrawal

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of technology from our city, but instead they are proposing a new tsunami of

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mass surveillance to come into our city via a mass network of cameras

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connected across the city via underwater surveillance via drone surveillance.

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The department has already performed the community meeting that is required to

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this process. So I hope that people know that when the city council members respond to this

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request with the little thing and remarks suggesting that you all deserve this surveillance

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because you use a cell phone or they do performative things saying that they want budget for bathrooms

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or housing or homelessness while they continue to fund all of this surveillance, you know,

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the community hears your concerns even when the leaders do not and I hope that you reach out

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to people around you and that connected because we're going to have to solve this problem ourselves.

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Thank you. Thank you for your testimony and share this concludes non agenda public comment

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for this afternoon. Thank you very much for everyone for being here and for calling in and thank

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to my colleagues and to these staff from here as well that brings us to the end of our agenda.

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Thank you for everyone for your participation.

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I will now adjourn this meeting at the Public Safety Committee to our next regularly scheduled

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meeting on Wednesday, September 16th, 2020 6th at 2 p.m. We are adjourned. Thank you.